| 00:00.06 | eldowan | Nyle: read above. imagemagick does not fill my requirements. |
| 00:00.06 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 00:00.26 | Nyle | eldowan: no what th ehell is it? |
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| 00:00.30 | Nyle | !imagemagick |
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| 00:00.34 | Wyzard | Nyle: interesting that it can be done with a Perl script -- the SPD data must be accessible from something in /dev, I guess |
| 00:00.43 | abrotman | eldowan: yes it does |
| 00:00.44 | howlingmadhowie | oh wow. sound works on the sgi indy :) |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | eldowan: read the man page |
| 00:00.55 | JoeThomas | Hi, I keep getting make errors while compiling DWM. |
| 00:00.58 | abrotman | eldowan: also ... in gimp .. is it 100% scale ? |
| 00:01.01 | eldowan | abrotman: I'm currently looking at the scripting manual now. |
| 00:01.01 | Nyle | Wyzard: hmm.. nice nie |
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| 00:01.04 | eldowan | abrotman: yes |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | eldowan: no .. the imagemagick manual |
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| 00:01.25 | eldowan | abrotman: aah, will do. |
| 00:01.28 | Nyle | oh thats what that is |
| 00:01.29 | Wyzard | eldowan: You can probably tell imagemagic how much to compress the PNG; if not, run pngcrush on it afterward |
| 00:01.37 | abrotman | or resize them ? |
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| 00:02.12 | JordiGH | Oh, this is fun. What should I get instead of w32codecs in amd64? |
| 00:02.21 | Nyle | w64codecs |
| 00:02.41 | Wyzard | The w64codecs package is nearly empty |
| 00:02.49 | Nyle | well, its something |
| 00:02.51 | JordiGH | So it won't work? |
| 00:03.02 | Wyzard | It contains cook.so, sipr.so, and drvc.so... I have no idea what formats those are for |
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| 00:03.06 | Nyle | or you can simply run a 32bit mplayer using ia32libs and use w32codecs |
| 00:03.25 | Nyle | its not easy/trivial |
| 00:03.25 | JordiGH | Ah, suits me right for using amd64. |
| 00:03.27 | Wyzard | but even without w64codecs, I've found that I can play pretty much anything I find |
| 00:03.34 | Nyle | but JordiGH not suit, serve |
| 00:03.39 | Nyle | serves you right ;) |
| 00:03.45 | eldowan | Wyzard: hmm I guess I might not have been compressing the pngs before, I'll double check. Nice thought on the pngcrush though. I'll definately have to check that out. |
| 00:03.46 | Nyle | hah |
| 00:03.54 | Nyle | JordiGH got served by amd64 |
| 00:03.57 | Nyle | ooooh, burn |
| 00:04.08 | Nyle | ;) |
| 00:04.08 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Can you play .wmv and .mov? |
| 00:04.11 | howlingmadhowie | JordiGH: vlc should still play pretty much everything you throw at it |
| 00:04.41 | Nyle | yeah but vlc doesn't support mouse control |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: gstreamer ? |
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| 00:04.41 | Nyle | not that I can configure anyway |
| 00:04.42 | JordiGH | Wait, VLC in Debian? |
| 00:04.45 | JordiGH | Isn't that illegal? |
| 00:04.47 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:04.50 | JordiGH | o.O |
| 00:05.00 | Nyle | and stay away from gstreamer or xine |
| 00:05.05 | Nyle | mplayer ftw |
| 00:05.11 | Deformative | Wtf. |
| 00:05.13 | Deformative | Oops |
| 00:05.16 | Deformative | Wrong channel |
| 00:05.17 | Nyle | its actually not that hard to setup a 32bit mplayer man |
| 00:05.22 | Wyzard | JordiGH: depends on the WMV version -- I think the most recent WMV revision doesn't work, but I've only seen one of those files anyway |
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| 00:05.43 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 00:05.44 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 00:05.52 | Nyle | there is a good tutorial/howto in the 2nd link |
| 00:06.20 | Nyle | and read the 2nd to last sentence |
| 00:06.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: try gstreamer .. |
| 00:06.32 | sco50000 | what repos do i need enabled to get kde 3.5.8? |
| 00:06.34 | JoeThomas | How can I install xLib header files? |
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| 00:06.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: wait .. are you gnome or kde ? |
| 00:06.41 | Schiz0 | dpkg: status |
| 00:06.41 | dpkg | Since Thu Jan 31 12:05:03 2008, there have been 0 modifications, 113 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 31 commands. I have been awake for 12h 1m 38s this session, and currently reference 37896 factoids. I'm using about 15832 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 53.59/3.56 child 0/0 |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | !tell sco50000 about etch->lenny |
| 00:06.49 | Nyle | sco50000: in etch? maybe backports |
| 00:06.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: Both. |
| 00:06.58 | Nyle | sco50000: or else use lenny/sid |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | JordiGH: totem-gstreamer .. might play what you're looking for |
| 00:07.07 | sco50000 | yeah, im in etch |
| 00:07.13 | Nyle | !stosberg |
| 00:07.13 | dpkg | stosberg is, like, Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (stable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. |
| 00:07.18 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:07.21 | Nyle | needs updating |
| 00:07.44 | Nyle | yeh |
| 00:07.52 | Nyle | this daniel stosberg only does sarge, not etch |
| 00:07.55 | abrotman | that can't be good .. but whatever |
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| 00:07.59 | JordiGH | Neato. Why don't we need w32codecs anymore? |
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| 00:08.02 | Nyle | check backports for it |
| 00:08.09 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 00:08.09 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 00:08.12 | tanner | does anyone know of a way to turn a base system into a live cd/usb? allow it to load completely into memory (copy2ram) and be presistent? |
| 00:08.22 | Nyle | bpo may have kde 3.5.8 |
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| 00:09.05 | Wyzard | JoeThomas: libx11-dev |
| 00:09.14 | Wyzard | JoeThomas: xorg-dev will get you all the headers related to X development |
| 00:09.23 | JoeThomas | Wyzard: alright thanks. |
| 00:09.28 | Wyzard | JoeThomas: (though that might be more than you want) |
| 00:09.58 | JoeThomas | Wyzard: ya, ill just stick with libx |
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| 00:10.35 | sco50000 | so if kde 2.5.8 isn't in backports i should just ipgrade to lenny? |
| 00:10.45 | Nyle | !stosberg |
| 00:10.46 | dpkg | from memory, stosberg is Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (oldstable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. For etch, try </msg dpkg bpo> (backports) |
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| 00:11.15 | Nyle | sco50000: yeh I guess, seems like you are running a desktop |
| 00:11.22 | Nyle | lenny should be ok for you |
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| 00:11.40 | Nyle | but beware, lenny != stable and may act up from time to time |
| 00:11.40 | JordiGH | What does the {a} after a package name mean? |
| 00:11.40 | lfamorim_ | People, how to libery space in "/"? |
| 00:11.53 | abrotman | libery? |
| 00:12.03 | lfamorim_ | i dont speak english |
| 00:12.06 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:12.06 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:12.08 | Nyle | liberty? |
| 00:12.09 | lfamorim_ | my english is very very bad |
| 00:12.10 | Nyle | library? |
| 00:12.27 | lfamorim_ | soory |
| 00:13.00 | Nyle | lfamorim_: what language do you speak? |
| 00:13.00 | user____ | do you mean liberate? |
| 00:13.00 | Wyzard | "liberate" -- free |
| 00:13.00 | JordiGH | Not always a library. There's also stuff like gnome-session{a} |
| 00:13.00 | Nyle | liberate |
| 00:13.00 | user____ | i think he means free |
| 00:13.00 | lfamorim_ | pt-br |
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| 00:13.00 | user____ | yeah |
| 00:13.01 | Nyle | oh ok that helps |
| 00:13.05 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:13.05 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:13.10 | Nyle | lfamorim_: you want to free up space on your disk? |
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| 00:13.31 | lfamorim_ | i received this message in #debian-br, An access level of [10] is required for [UNBAN] on ##debian-br |
| 00:13.38 | spldart | How can I bring up a list of windows shares in a terminal on my debian machine? |
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| 00:14.02 | Nyle | spldart: install smbclient and type smbclient -L ip.of.server.here |
| 00:14.05 | Wyzard | spldart: smbclient -L |
| 00:14.10 | Nyle | spldart: enter password, login, and voila |
| 00:14.19 | lfamorim_ | [Nyle]: you speak portuguease? |
| 00:14.21 | spldart | I have smbclient... Thanks |
| 00:14.25 | Nyle | lfamorim_: nope |
| 00:14.29 | lfamorim_ | oh |
| 00:14.38 | Nyle | lfamorim_: estroy fumando mucho mucho marijuana |
| 00:14.46 | lfamorim_ | ??? |
| 00:14.50 | Nyle | thats about all I know how to spay in south american |
| 00:14.57 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 00:14.58 | Nyle | its not brazillian or potrugese |
| 00:15.00 | Nyle | sorry |
| 00:15.11 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:15.12 | sco50000 | my mind just drew a blank, where is the sources.list? |
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| 00:15.16 | lfamorim_ | The language in Brazil is portuguease |
| 00:15.18 | Nyle | !sources.list |
| 00:15.19 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:15.19 | JordiGH | Hm, is there a reason why Linux seems to have forgotten how long it takes for my lappy's battery to discharge? Does each kernel have to compute that individually, or what? |
| 00:15.19 | Wyzard | sco50000: /etc/apt |
| 00:15.26 | abrotman | !pt |
| 00:15.26 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:15.29 | sco50000 | thanks |
| 00:15.32 | abrotman | lfamorim_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 00:15.50 | Wyzard | JordiGH: That information is reported by the battery itself |
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| 00:16.12 | JordiGH | Wyzard: So is the newer kernel unable to get that information from the battery? |
| 00:16.16 | lfamorim_ | My dir "/" is full, I use dist-upgrade and the space free as used... =p |
| 00:16.17 | Nyle | streuner_: hmmm it seems you maybe aware of what I said |
| 00:16.22 | JordiGH | Maybe I will compile my own kernel after all. |
| 00:16.29 | Nyle | lfamorim_: apt-get clean |
| 00:16.31 | Wyzard | JordiGH: though if you're using gnome-power-manager, it collects its own statistics to possibly get a better estimate |
| 00:16.43 | lfamorim_ | [Nyle]: i used this, but the dir is not /var/ |
| 00:16.44 | lfamorim_ | is / |
| 00:16.48 | streuner_ | Nyle: hehe |
| 00:16.52 | lfamorim_ | is diferent partition |
| 00:17.00 | JordiGH | Wyzard: ah, that could be it. |
| 00:17.00 | user____ | Ifamorim: try a apt-get clean |
| 00:17.09 | Nyle | lfamorim_: try #debian-br on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:17.10 | user____ | that should clean up some extra space |
| 00:17.10 | Wyzard | JordiGH: No, you don't need to custom-compile a kernel to be able to get battery info |
| 00:17.13 | Nyle | maybe you can get in there |
| 00:17.15 | JordiGH | Wyzard: It knows what percentage of battery charge is left. |
| 00:17.19 | spldart | Thanks... works perfectly... |
| 00:17.20 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Debian stock kernels have had that for ages |
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| 00:17.24 | lfamorim_ | Thank you Nyle |
| 00:17.31 | Nyle | sure |
| 00:17.42 | JordiGH | Wyzard: It's weird because Debian had that info, booted into a new kernel, now it only knows the percentage of charge but not the discharge time. |
| 00:17.52 | Nyle | lfamorim_: I can't fully understand what you need to do |
| 00:18.15 | user____ | oh, that was already posted :S |
| 00:18.22 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Have you tried the old kernel again? |
| 00:18.27 | sco50000 | would changin all the ...http.us.debian... to ...http.ca.debian.. speed things up since i live in canada? |
| 00:18.32 | JordiGH | Wyzard: No, not yet. |
| 00:18.35 | JoeThomas | I thought I could edit xinitrc and add exec dwm to set dwm as window manager using startx, yet gnome still starts. |
| 00:18.39 | Nyle | sco50000: maybe |
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| 00:18.43 | Wyzard | sco50000: Very possibly, though not definitely |
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| 00:18.49 | amphi | JordiGH: acpi -t doesn't? |
| 00:18.54 | JordiGH | It looks ok... this kernel froze on me when I tried compiz, but I guess I can live without compiz for now. |
| 00:18.55 | Nyle | sco50000: apt-spy |
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| 00:18.56 | themill | JordiGH: userspace acpi tools are broken for 2.6.24. see the bts |
| 00:19.08 | Nyle | sco50000: use apt-spy to scan north american mirrors and use the fastest one |
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| 00:19.13 | JordiGH | amphi: "No support for device type: battery" |
| 00:19.13 | Nyle | good luck |
| 00:19.22 | JordiGH | themill: Ah, I see. |
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| 00:19.30 | amphi | JordiGH: modprobe battery? |
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| 00:19.40 | JordiGH | amphi: themill says it's a bug. |
| 00:19.41 | Nyle | \m/ |
| 00:19.52 | themill | !dbugs 462305 |
| 00:19.55 | dpkg | #462305:I[acpi] acpi queries /proc but not new /sys power interfaces; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:30:04 UTC |
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| 00:20.20 | Ace2016 | Hi all how do i change this: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp to work when alsa is running? alsa locks the device up and i can't use the command |
| 00:20.23 | Wyzard | That says HAL is using the sysfs interface though |
| 00:20.26 | amphi | JordiGH: works here on vanilla 2,6.24 |
| 00:20.44 | Wyzard | and gnome-power-manager would presumably be using HAL for battery monitoring |
| 00:20.47 | JordiGH | amphi: Well, I'm not sure I'm using vanilla. Whatever's packaged in sid. |
| 00:20.59 | Nyle | you know |
| 00:21.03 | Wyzard | amphi: It's a kernel build option |
| 00:21.05 | amphi | JordiGH: is the battery acpi module loaded? |
| 00:21.09 | howlingmadhowie | JoeThomas: did you edit the .xinitrc in your $HOME ? |
| 00:21.14 | Nyle | sid is not oficcially supported JordiGH here afaik because ummmm |
| 00:21.22 | amphi | Wyzard: what is? |
| 00:21.22 | Nyle | why are you using sid? |
| 00:21.30 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 00:21.30 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 00:21.35 | sco50000 | Nyle: i can't seem to figure out apt-spy |
| 00:21.41 | Nyle | sco50000: read the manpage |
| 00:21.45 | JoeThomas | howlingmadhowie: no the one in /etc |
| 00:21.45 | Wyzard | amphi: the deprecated /proc-based ACPI support that the "acpi" tool depends on |
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| 00:21.47 | Nyle | sco50000: I had no idea either, I just read |
| 00:21.48 | JordiGH | amphi, what's the module called? |
| 00:22.08 | Wyzard | amphi: Evidently it's disabled in Debian's build of 2.6.24, but not in your custom build |
| 00:22.11 | amphi | Wyzard: ah, thanks |
| 00:22.32 | JordiGH | Wyzard, see, maybe I do need to compile my own kernel. :-0 |
| 00:22.33 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 00:22.37 | JoeThomas | howlingmadhowie: Thanks, I didnt know it had to be changed in my Home directory. Thank you |
| 00:22.49 | Wyzard | JordiGH: or just don't use a tool that depends on a deprecated way to get battery information |
| 00:22.55 | amphi | Wyzard: this, I guess: CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER=y |
| 00:23.01 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Fact of life: deprecated interfaces disappear eventually :-) |
| 00:23.11 | JordiGH | Wyzard: So what should I use instead? |
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| 00:23.39 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Well, the bug mentions that HAL uses the newer /sys interface already |
| 00:24.00 | sco50000 | Nyle: apt-spy -a North-America just prints the usage and help |
| 00:24.06 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I'd be surprised if gnome-power-manager doesn't use HAL to check the battery level |
| 00:24.07 | JordiGH | Wyzard... but HAL isn't meant to be used by me! It's meant to be used by application developers. |
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| 00:24.21 | Wyzard | JordiGH: You could use hal-device-manager to look at the battery's properties |
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| 00:24.30 | Wyzard | (aka gnome-device-manager) |
| 00:24.46 | Nyle | sco50000: READ! |
| 00:25.01 | Nyle | sco50000: I could spoonfeed you but you won't learn nothin that way |
| 00:25.02 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:25.27 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I'm not using a laptop right now, but I'm using a desktop with a USB-connected UPS and its charge level appears among the UPS's properties in gnome-device-manager |
| 00:25.51 | karsten | Nyle: ... or you could light him a pipe. |
| 00:26.02 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:26.05 | sco50000 | Nyle: i figured it out now, the man page didn't stress the fact that the -d option is required and didn't give any examples |
| 00:26.09 | dvs | Nyle: with something special inside . ;-) |
| 00:26.16 | Nyle | sco50000: ahh yeh |
| 00:26.22 | Nyle | sco50000: also never forget, info exists |
| 00:26.24 | Nyle | 'info' |
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| 00:26.47 | Nyle | good job my very young padewan learner |
| 00:26.50 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Here gnome-device-manager says... "Battery present: yes" Well, that's reassuring. |
| 00:26.58 | sco50000 | thank you master :P |
| 00:27.02 | karsten | Nyle: Noooo!!! Not info! |
| 00:27.08 | Nyle | why not |
| 00:27.12 | Wyzard | JordiGH: and nothing else? |
| 00:27.17 | Nyle | you got somethign against info pages? |
| 00:27.29 | JordiGH | Wyzard: It also says that it's a Lithium Ion battery made by SMP... |
| 00:27.34 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I have battery.remaining_time, battery.reporting.current, etc. |
| 00:28.53 | karsten | Nyle: Yes. |
| 00:29.01 | Nyle | karsten: go on... |
| 00:29.02 | JordiGH | So let me see if I have this straight... with a core 2 duo processor, I could be compiling a Gentoo install and play Nexuiz at the same time with acceptable framerates? |
| 00:29.28 | karsten | Nyle: Trying to find it. Patience, grasshopper. |
| 00:29.32 | JordiGH | Nyle: Germans don't like GNU or info pages. It's a west-side/east-side thing. |
| 00:29.40 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:29.45 | JordiGH | Nyle: That's also why they use KDE. |
| 00:29.47 | Nyle | thats hilarious |
| 00:29.56 | Nyle | I'm pakitani/scottish yet I use kde |
| 00:30.01 | Nyle | I read info pages AND manpages |
| 00:30.07 | Nyle | I only live in usa |
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| 00:30.17 | Nyle | I'm not really into the whole 'american' bullshit thing |
| 00:30.26 | JordiGH | Manpages were meant to be cheat-sheets. Many of them still are. |
| 00:30.27 | dvs | bullshit? |
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| 00:30.48 | Nyle | dvs: you won't find culture except for the south |
| 00:30.50 | ryx | ok, _which_ directory do I need to nfs-export for debian-live netboot? |
| 00:30.58 | Nyle | not really, not that you'd notice it |
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| 00:31.19 | dvs | Nyle: New York doesn't have culture? |
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| 00:31.21 | ryx | the wiki is quite unhelpful on that |
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| 00:31.26 | Nyle | dvs: no |
| 00:31.37 | Nyle | dvs: it does not. It only has assholes |
| 00:31.38 | karsten | Nyle: Pardon? |
| 00:31.42 | Nyle | dvs: now you know what I mean. |
| 00:31.42 | dvs | heh |
| 00:31.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:31.53 | Nyle | oh except stew and rahul of course |
| 00:32.02 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:32.04 | dvs | Nyle: I could say something about that but over 300 million people would be angry at me. |
| 00:32.13 | jetscreamer | ok so what is it in the kernel that (being able to use UUID= in fstab) depends on? |
| 00:32.14 | Nyle | yeh I don't care, its all good |
| 00:32.17 | Nyle | I hate everyone |
| 00:32.23 | Nyle | I just like to read whatever info there is |
| 00:32.31 | Nyle | info page, or man page, I don't give a fuck |
| 00:32.33 | Nyle | just need info |
| 00:32.50 | Nyle | as in information |
| 00:33.04 | Wyzard | Nyle: note that "pinfo" is a much nicer reader for Info pages than "info" is |
| 00:33.14 | Nyle | hmm, I didnt know about pinfo |
| 00:33.15 | jetscreamer | answer me or wait till somebody else does before you type!!! |
| 00:33.19 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Emacs is the mother of all info readers. |
| 00:33.24 | dvs | Wyzard: I just can't stand the keys used for info |
| 00:33.28 | Nyle | huh |
| 00:33.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I dont know nothin bout nothin |
| 00:33.36 | Wyzard | dvs: Neither do I, and that's why I use pinfo :-) |
| 00:33.41 | dvs | heh |
| 00:33.46 | jetscreamer | i didn't ask about nothin |
| 00:33.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:34.00 | Wyzard | dvs: It's like lynx... up/down arrows to scroll, left/right to navigate links |
| 00:34.11 | dvs | Wyzard: the way it should be |
| 00:34.11 | Nyle | well ok then what exactly is your question |
| 00:34.17 | jetscreamer | ok so what is it in the kernel that (being able to use UUID= in fstab) depends on? |
| 00:34.18 | Nyle | jetscreamer: what you are asking? what depend son what? |
| 00:34.28 | jetscreamer | no i'm asking anybopdy |
| 00:34.28 | Nyle | oh uuid suport in a kernel |
| 00:34.34 | Nyle | what makes it happen basically? |
| 00:34.43 | jetscreamer | my custom kernels have a tendency to not honor that |
| 00:34.46 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:34.47 | jetscreamer | and i don't know wh;67y |
| 00:35.00 | Nyle | oh you want to knwo if there is a specific config option for it |
| 00:35.07 | jetscreamer | or a set of em yeah |
| 00:35.15 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:35.21 | Nyle | not off the top of my head i'll have to look |
| 00:35.27 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: It depends on the links in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 00:35.32 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: which are created by udev |
| 00:35.33 | jetscreamer | don't worry about it nyle |
| 00:36.09 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: so the kernel support would just be the hotplug events by which udev notices the existence of the disk |
| 00:37.01 | jetscreamer | would having the support compiled in maybe bypass that detection/notification, or something |
| 00:37.09 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I told you man, I dunno nuthin' bout nuthin' |
| 00:37.17 | karsten | Nyle: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/12/msg04016.html (info v. man) |
| 00:37.19 | sco50000 | Nyle: should i remove the backports repos when i upgrade to lenny? |
| 00:37.27 | jetscreamer | good thing there is no work named nuthin' then eh |
| 00:37.31 | jetscreamer | s/work/word/ |
| 00:37.59 | xdr_ | anyone know if you can use the thing that provides power to your compu without connecting it to the motherboard? |
| 00:38.01 | jetscreamer | yes sco50000 at least till you finish dist-upgrading.. imo ymmv maybe somebody else knows better/different |
| 00:38.03 | xdr_ | hej igen ibrand |
| 00:38.03 | amphi | karsten: no one has quarrelled about that since then? ;) |
| 00:38.04 | xdr_ | sorry |
| 00:38.06 | xdr_ | and please tell me the english name for it |
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| 00:38.25 | jetscreamer | xdr: psu and the mb is what turns the psu on |
| 00:38.25 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: If udev works at all, it should notice your disks and their UUIDs |
| 00:38.43 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: but it only works for filesystems on plain partitions, not things like LVM and RAID |
| 00:38.53 | ryx | noone with a clue about debian-live? |
| 00:38.56 | Nyle | > Okee, the interface is not to everybodies likening:), so improve. |
| 00:38.56 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: udev apparently doesn't scan other kinds of block devices for filesystem UUIDs |
| 00:38.56 | jetscreamer | power supply unit .. PSU... xdr |
| 00:38.57 | Nyle | No. Divorce. |
| 00:38.59 | Nyle | hah |
| 00:39.02 | Nyle | thats classic. |
| 00:39.10 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: it's a plain fs/part |
| 00:39.21 | xdr_ | jetscreamer: ok, is there any workaround? |
| 00:39.23 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: it's just my custom kernels suck that way :/ |
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| 00:39.41 | karsten | amphi: There are a few follow-on info-v.-man discussions, yes, but I think I hammered most of the points that time. |
| 00:39.49 | jetscreamer | xdr_: you just have to short it manually |
| 00:40.00 | jetscreamer | short/toggle/put a switch.. |
| 00:40.05 | jetscreamer | read the schematics |
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| 00:40.23 | Nyle | karsten: very good points |
| 00:40.29 | jetscreamer | like hot wiring a car |
| 00:40.36 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: udevtrigger --verbose --dry-run | grep /block |
| 00:40.37 | Nyle | karsten: however, no one said do away with manpages. |
| 00:40.45 | amphi | karsten: ;) |
| 00:40.46 | Nyle | did they? |
| 00:40.52 | pavillion | I would like to make my mouse be able to do <enter> |
| 00:40.53 | xdr_ | jetscreamer: ok, thx, trying to build a server (that need lotsa hdds) and can't afford another UPS |
| 00:40.57 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: oh i forgot.. my custom NON_INITRD kernels |
| 00:41.06 | jetscreamer | it's working atm .. but with initrd |
| 00:41.19 | xdr_ | jetscreamer: though I got like 2 really old ups's |
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| 00:41.51 | karsten | Nyle: The point made (and I won't rehash) is that info was a fair idea at the time but attempts to kill (yes, kill) a good standard while it's been vastly supersceded on other fronts (Docbook & HTML). |
| 00:42.08 | danbhfive | does debian use gnome? |
| 00:42.09 | karsten | Nyle: And yes, GNU *has* done away with manpages (for its apps). |
| 00:42.10 | pavillion | I would like to make my mouse be able to do <enter> |
| 00:42.12 | Nyle | karsten: I don't beleive its an attempt to do away with a long standard |
| 00:42.13 | pavillion | oops |
| 00:42.19 | streuner_ | danbhfive: yes |
| 00:42.24 | Nyle | karsten: and if it is, I agree with you 100% |
| 00:42.26 | karsten | danbhfive: Debian supplies GNOME packages, yes. |
| 00:42.34 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: I don't think initrd has anything to do with whether udev makes UUID links |
| 00:42.37 | karsten | Nyle: GNU deprecates manpages. |
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| 00:42.43 | streuner_ | danbhfive: GNOME is default DE, if you mean that |
| 00:42.47 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: it would seem the output is what it seems one might expect... all the info is there (i guess) .. but i'm running the initrd kernel atm.. getting ready to compile the other non-initrd ... |
| 00:42.51 | danbhfive | streuner_ karsten thanks |
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| 00:43.32 | jetscreamer | well maybe it was the kernel source :) it was back in .20 or 22 that i last tried.. i quit compiling my own.. but now there's no k7 so... |
| 00:43.33 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: If you haven't compiled the custom kernel yet, what's the problem you're trying to fix? |
| 00:43.41 | karsten | Nyle: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/coreutils-faq.html "Many GNU programs have deprecated the man pages and have moved entirely to info documentation. But man pages still have a loyal following and are quite useful for reference. But they make poor user guides." |
| 00:43.47 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: what i said, but past behavior |
| 00:44.09 | karsten | trav1085: Not cool. |
| 00:44.10 | Nyle | karsten: <what I said, again> |
| 00:44.15 | karsten | !ops trav1085 abuse |
| 00:44.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: trav1085 abuse |
| 00:44.16 | jetscreamer | so here i am doing a new one and asking |
| 00:44.20 | Nyle | karsten: minus the do away part |
| 00:44.21 | trav1085 | Ok |
| 00:44.36 | jetscreamer | OMFG LOST!!! |
| 00:44.39 | Nyle | karsten: I didn't know, but people should be compelled to write a manpage for everything |
| 00:44.39 | trav1085 | Whoa weird |
| 00:44.40 | jetscreamer | (j/k) |
| 00:44.42 | Nyle | info is not man |
| 00:44.42 | Nyle | man is not info |
| 00:44.45 | dvs | jetscreamer: 15 min |
| 00:44.50 | Nyle | two diff purposes they serve, as you pointed out |
| 00:44.54 | Nyle | and once again, very well made points |
| 00:44.57 | jetscreamer | we like lost, here |
| 00:44.58 | Nyle | good job |
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| 00:45.06 | Nyle | karsten is the man |
| 00:45.20 | karsten | Nyle: Thanks. |
| 00:46.18 | sco50000 | Nyle: damn, now i have to get 1353 packages worth 762MB :( |
| 00:46.25 | Nyle | sco50000: why? |
| 00:46.34 | sco50000 | upgrading, remember |
| 00:46.37 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:46.43 | Nyle | well, there it is |
| 00:46.49 | Nyle | however, I would stop the upgrade at this time |
| 00:46.58 | Nyle | I would remove any packages I didnt need |
| 00:46.59 | sco50000 | why? |
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| 00:47.04 | Nyle | 2nd, I would remove the packages that I dont' want |
| 00:47.16 | Nyle | 3rd, I would use deborphan a few times to clean out the system |
| 00:47.19 | Nyle | and THEN I would upgrade |
| 00:47.21 | karsten | Nyle: Lack of a manpage for an executable on Debian is a (non-critical) Policy bug. |
| 00:47.26 | Nyle | (mostly becuase I h ave a very low speed internet) |
| 00:47.32 | abrotman | there's a qa project |
| 00:47.39 | karsten | Nyle: We can fix that (low-speed) ;-) |
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| 00:47.46 | abrotman | http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | though nyle can't see that :) |
| 00:47.59 | Nyle | nyle can everything fine |
| 00:47.59 | sco50000 | Nyle: my internet will be able to handle it. ( 1 Mbit connection :D ) |
| 00:48.12 | Nyle | nyle choses to still ignore the asshole |
| 00:48.13 | Nyle | thanks. |
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| 00:48.31 | Nyle | sco50000: wow, nice |
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| 00:48.40 | JordiGH | Damnit, I can't think of something else that I need to fix... |
| 00:48.42 | Nyle | sco50000: I have 768k, back home I had a full 10mbps |
| 00:48.44 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i convinced nyle to take off his ignores :) |
| 00:48.46 | JordiGH | Getting compiz working would be nice. |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:48.55 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 00:48.56 | dvs | Nyle: spoiled! ;-) |
| 00:48.59 | Nyle | jetscreamer: shouldn't have told him that |
| 00:49.05 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 00:49.14 | sco50000 | hmm, maybe once i'm upgraded to lenny, i'll be able to get compiz working |
| 00:49.18 | jetscreamer | freedom of information act |
| 00:49.18 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:49.21 | Nyle | welcome buddy welcome |
| 00:49.31 | dvs | what's that smell? |
| 00:49.38 | Nyle | you have to ask? |
| 00:49.39 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:49.41 | jetscreamer | the smell of death |
| 00:49.44 | dvs | heh |
| 00:49.52 | karsten | Nyle: Also: Don't make the primary documentation for any GNU software be a man page. Write a manual in Texinfo instead. Man pages are just for the sake of people running GNU software on Unix, which is a secondary application only. http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Directory-Variables.html |
| 00:50.07 | jetscreamer | embalming rooms will burn your eyes |
| 00:50.14 | karsten | Nyle: Remember: GNU's Not Unix. |
| 00:50.15 | Nyle | I am learning quite a bit tonight |
| 00:50.21 | dvs | jetscreamer: O_o |
| 00:50.22 | Nyle | really? |
| 00:50.23 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:50.29 | jetscreamer | yeh... |
| 00:50.32 | Nyle | I had thought that GNU gave it away |
| 00:50.42 | Nyle | but I guess you have to specify for people who didn't know |
| 00:50.44 | Nyle | or don't know |
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| 00:50.56 | sco50000 | hmm, what is the safest way to shrink a big mostly empty ext3 and add the free space to a small almost full ext3? |
| 00:51.08 | Xenguy | !dpkg |
| 00:51.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 00:51.10 | JordiGH | karsten: info pages are awesome. They actually are documentation. How does one navigate manpages anyways? Aren't manpages supposed to be hypertext? |
| 00:51.22 | Xenguy | !im |
| 00:51.27 | JordiGH | dpkg should also say, "I'm dpkg". |
| 00:51.34 | JordiGH | dpkg, dpkg is also me. |
| 00:51.34 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 00:51.36 | karsten | Nyle: And further: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Documentation.html#Documentation |
| 00:51.40 | Nyle | I wonder where the debstats are |
| 00:51.41 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 00:51.41 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 00:51.59 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 00:52.00 | jetscreamer | i guess you get used to it, those dudes hang in there a while... me i was just passing through |
| 00:52.05 | Nyle | I should go to bed |
| 00:52.21 | Nyle | openurl.pl |
| 00:52.27 | Nyle | how could you live without it |
| 00:52.27 | Enron | anyone here use google apps? |
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| 00:52.39 | karsten | !tell Enron about polls |
| 00:52.46 | Nyle | or !anyone |
| 00:52.57 | Xenguy | hi - I need to setup an IM client for a young teenager :-) Any recommendations on a damn good linux IM client ? |
| 00:53.15 | sco50000 | Xenguy: pidgin and kopete |
| 00:53.27 | Enron | !tell karsten it's a general question |
| 00:53.32 | xdr | Xenguy: pidgin > kopete imho |
| 00:53.47 | karsten | Enron: So you understand. Ask a specific question. |
| 00:53.55 | jsubl2 | Xenguy: kopete has some webcam support |
| 00:53.57 | karsten | Enron: "Yes" would be the general answer. |
| 00:53.58 | Nyle | ow, my leg hurts man I'm gonna go find some medicine |
| 00:54.01 | JordiGH | Enron: I'm kinda forced to use them. Why? |
| 00:54.01 | Enron | I don't have a question I just want to know if someone uses google apps here |
| 00:54.01 | Enron | lol |
| 00:54.13 | jetscreamer | Nyle's faithful follower, abrotman, didn't speak so much: 26399 words. |
| 00:54.16 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 00:54.18 | Xenguy | sco50000: xdr: jsubl2: my thanks for the feedback, I'll check them out |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | Enron: that's a poll .. and not related to #debian |
| 00:54.24 | jetscreamer | roflmao |
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| 00:54.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: like i care? |
| 00:54.32 | jetscreamer | it's funny :) |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | not really |
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| 00:54.46 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:54.51 | jetscreamer | well if you could be objective you might find it so :) |
| 00:54.56 | Enron | we are developing a toolkit that will allow users to self register to googleapps using a existing db to authenticate and also allow admins to create google accounts via csv file, sql server, or ldap etc.. |
| 00:55.01 | jetscreamer | like if it wasn't related to you |
| 00:55.05 | abrotman | Enron: HI #DEBIAN .. NOT #GOOGLE |
| 00:55.06 | eldowan | Is there an easy way to take one file and copy it to a lot of directories? |
| 00:55.20 | Enron | abrotman I know he asked why... |
| 00:55.48 | jetscreamer | Nyle talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 24 times! |
| 00:55.52 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:55.53 | sco50000 | what is the safest way to resize the partition i am running on without rebooting? |
| 00:55.54 | jetscreamer | heshe |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | eldowan: a script? |
| 00:56.05 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Are you taking stats with that IRC stats software? |
| 00:56.06 | eldowan | shim? |
| 00:56.08 | JordiGH | Er, with some? |
| 00:56.09 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:56.10 | Nyle | fuck off |
| 00:56.12 | Nyle | :( |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | !debstats |
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| 00:56.21 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 00:56.24 | jetscreamer | nyle owns both the cussing ones |
| 00:56.35 | jetscreamer | he's first AND second place :) |
| 00:56.50 | eldowan | abrotman: I figured as much. I was hoping a nice app existed that would propogate to a directory tree. Thanks. |
| 00:57.00 | karsten | sco50000: Back it up. |
| 00:57.08 | jetscreamer | OW! |
| 00:57.19 | JordiGH | I wonder if I win the smiley award. :-) |
| 00:57.26 | Nyle | !sigh |
| 00:57.26 | dpkg | it has been said that sigh is we are living hard times pal |
| 00:57.28 | jetscreamer | i'm laughing so hard my face hurts.. seriously |
| 00:57.37 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:57.47 | Nyle | I'm glad I could provide entertainment for you |
| 00:57.53 | embkas | i have problems with the clock on my laptop. I am not able to save the |
| 00:57.57 | sco50000 | karsten: what is the best way to backup? |
| 00:58.07 | embkas | ... changes |
| 00:58.24 | Nyle | !seen stew |
| 00:58.24 | dpkg | stew <i=1413@unaffiliated/stew> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15d 23h 16m 8s ago, saying: 'bwwww: then key="volume.fstype" might not be matching'. |
| 00:58.31 | JordiGH | embkas: Is it the sysclock or the hwclock that you can't change? |
| 00:58.32 | jetscreamer | i kinda stopped laughing just now... oops there it goes agian... kladshf';lh |
| 00:58.32 | Nyle | damn |
| 00:58.39 | Nyle | I was supposed to go see stew like 2 weeks ago |
| 00:58.43 | Nyle | I didn't make it there |
| 00:58.44 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I wish I could join in. |
| 00:58.45 | Spida | why do I have /dev/.static/dev/lirc, but no /dev/lirc? |
| 00:58.46 | embkas | is there a bug in etch consering cthe clodck |
| 00:58.50 | Nyle | I wonder whats up with im |
| 00:58.55 | karsten | sco50000: Successfully. |
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| 00:59.03 | JordiGH | embkas: Which clock? Linux has two. |
| 00:59.26 | jetscreamer | no just perfoms math on the one, eh |
| 00:59.29 | embkas | JordiGH: two? |
| 00:59.38 | Spida | JordiGH: kde has some more, I guess. |
| 00:59.38 | jetscreamer | and presents it as -6 orwhatever |
| 00:59.41 | sco50000 | karsten: :P okay, what is the best linux program to backup ext3 partitions onto cd/dvd? |
| 00:59.42 | JordiGH | embkas: A system clock and a hardware clock. |
| 00:59.43 | karsten | sco50000: I would tar or rsync to reliable media. While there are dynamic repartitioning tools, I prefer going offline, repartitioning, rebooting, recreating filesystems, and restoring. |
| 00:59.52 | JordiGH | embkas: Which clock can't you change? |
| 00:59.54 | jetscreamer | sco50000: apt-cache backup |
| 00:59.56 | jetscreamer | err |
| 00:59.58 | JordiGH | embkas: and how can't you change it? |
| 01:00.00 | jetscreamer | sco50000: apt-cache search backup |
| 01:00.03 | karsten | sco50000: You then anticipate the downtime which, if things don't go well otherwise, you're going to be in a world of hurt over. |
| 01:00.11 | Spida | sco50000: I wouldn't use dvd for backup. |
| 01:00.14 | JordiGH | embkas: I know some Dell clocks have some bug where you gotta change them with some isa thing. |
| 01:00.27 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 01:00.31 | Nyle | again with the dell |
| 01:00.33 | embkas | JordiGH: 'm not talking about the clock in bios |
| 01:00.40 | jetscreamer | dell is your god |
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| 01:00.49 | JordiGH | embkas: That's the hardware clock. So the system clock won't change? |
| 01:00.56 | Nyle | yeh well |
| 01:00.59 | Nyle | thank god, |
| 01:01.01 | karsten | sco50000: "Best" depends on what media you have, how much data, interconnect, recentness of any incremental backup, etc. I generally prefer tar or rsync to tape, USB storage, or networked storage. |
| 01:01.03 | Nyle | thank god, O |
| 01:01.06 | Nyle | fucal;kjd;flkujl;dfja;lksdf |
| 01:01.08 | Nyle | fuck |
| 01:01.09 | JordiGH | embkas: If you to a console, as root, and type "date somenewdateandnewtime", what happens? |
| 01:01.15 | Nyle | thank god I'm an athiest |
| 01:01.19 | Nyle | damn. |
| 01:01.25 | embkas | JordiGH: right |
| 01:01.28 | amphi | Nyle: death to the fidels! |
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| 01:01.33 | Nyle | exactly! |
| 01:01.35 | jetscreamer | you should be agnostic |
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| 01:01.42 | Nyle | you godaamn oxy MORON! |
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| 01:01.45 | Nyle | hehe ;) |
| 01:01.48 | dondelelcaro | screw that. You should be ON TOPIC. |
| 01:01.52 | amphi | Nyle: wait, you said you're the most athy |
| 01:01.58 | Nyle | ah yes, sorry |
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| 01:02.33 | Nyle | anywa it was a joke, 8th grade teacher wrote it on the board first day of class, thank god, I'm an ahitest, its an oxymoron. nm lame joke |
| 01:02.54 | amphi | Nyle: sorry, but 'the most lobby' and 'the most hobby' misspellings are a pet hate of mine, and 'the most athy' brought on the red mist for a moment |
| 01:03.13 | Nyle | wow... cultural differences.. wow. |
| 01:03.15 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:03.29 | Enron | hey this is #debian only debian related conv please |
| 01:03.31 | Nyle | jetscreamer: so what are you trying to do |
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| 01:03.38 | amphi | Enron: sshh |
| 01:03.41 | Nyle | you doin some kernel building? |
| 01:03.41 | sco50000 | karsten: in your experience how much space would ^GB of stuff take up tarred? |
| 01:03.43 | Enron | :( |
| 01:03.51 | Nyle | sco50000: depending on the format |
| 01:03.53 | yy | yes. no. |
| 01:03.56 | Nyle | text can go 1:10+ |
| 01:04.00 | Nyle | binaries can't do much |
| 01:04.06 | Nyle | usually on average, 1:3 compression ratio |
| 01:04.10 | Nyle | iirc |
| 01:04.26 | amphi | xvid et al. not at all ;) |
| 01:04.26 | abrotman | sco50000: about 1GB .. less if you zip the tar |
| 01:04.42 | karsten | sco50000: Slightly more. Tar is a non-compressing archive format, so there's some overhead per file. Compression (gzip, bzip2, compress, etc.) will generally take up less space. How much depends on the nature of the data. |
| 01:04.46 | Nyle | maye one and a half gig |
| 01:05.06 | Nyle | I would assume anyone would use bzip2 |
| 01:05.17 | Nyle | as it makes little sense in most cases to use anything else |
| 01:05.18 | jetscreamer | Nyle: yeah i don't feel like running a pentium pro optimized kernel on my xp2400 |
| 01:05.25 | sco50000 | so how should i go about tarring and zipping my partition and sending it across to a samba share? |
| 01:05.27 | karsten | sco50000: Rule of thumb is about 60% compression for text, up to 90% for highly redundant data, very little for multimedia / image codecs which are already compressed. |
| 01:05.31 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ahh yeh, there you have it |
| 01:05.33 | jetscreamer | just seems like it could be better |
| 01:05.44 | Nyle | jetscreamer: of course... custom is better than stock |
| 01:05.46 | JordiGH | bzip2 takes longer. I've used 7z since it's got easy access to AES256. I had my girlfriend use 7z to send me our encrypted homemade pr0n. :-) |
| 01:05.57 | Nyle | stock is made to work, not made to be polished for YOU |
| 01:05.58 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:06.17 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i just wanted to make the uuid bulletproof, as i have failed at that part before |
| 01:06.25 | Nyle | ahh yes, 7z is the new thing these days I hear |
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| 01:06.42 | Nyle | but as I understand reading, iirc, is that 7z is based on bzip maybe isn't it or something |
| 01:06.43 | karsten | Testing compression of the bash manpage: 72.9% compression w/ gzip, 78.88% for bzip2 |
| 01:06.45 | Nyle | letme wiki it |
| 01:07.03 | akuwamari | i want to know if on Linux hard disk is fragmented |
| 01:07.07 | JordiGH | 7z also has a nice Windows interface for when you must interface with the other side. |
| 01:07.09 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 01:07.28 | JordiGH | akuwamari: yes, but not in your lifetime |
| 01:07.37 | akuwamari | ?? |
| 01:07.41 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:07.48 | karsten | using compression values from 1 to 9 sees gzip compression from 66.7% to 73.1%: for i in $( seq 9 ); do man bash | gzip -$i -v >/dev/null; done |
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| 01:07.55 | Nyle | The standard Burrows-Wheeler transform algorithm |
| 01:08.08 | Nyle | currently filtered in 7z |
| 01:08.26 | JordiGH | akuwamari: ext3 can fragment, but it takes a very long time, and even if it does, it's not a big deal. Bottom line: you never have to worry about fragmentation with ext3. |
| 01:08.27 | gene2 | i got a question, to load some modules at boot time on lenny, do I just add them to /etc/modules? I have a module for which I can do modprobe full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 |
| 01:08.27 | gene2 | Jan 31 19:55:38 MythHTPC kernel: lirc_mceusb2[5]: |
| 01:08.31 | gene2 | ops |
| 01:08.33 | gene2 | sorry |
| 01:08.34 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | gene2: that'll work |
| 01:08.44 | akuwamari | ok |
| 01:08.58 | akuwamari | what about Reiser ? |
| 01:09.05 | jetscreamer | no don't |
| 01:09.08 | jetscreamer | !reiser |
| 01:09.09 | dpkg | reiserfs is probably a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 01:09.09 | JordiGH | akuwamari: we think he killed his wife. |
| 01:09.20 | Nyle | until the axe falls |
| 01:09.21 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:09.21 | gene2 | it doesn't work for me for some odd reason, if i do modprobe dvb_usb_cxusb, it works and loads if i add it to /etc/modules and reboot, nothing happens I have to manually do modprobe |
| 01:09.26 | Nyle | yo |
| 01:09.38 | akuwamari | i am no talking about personal life |
| 01:09.44 | karsten | akuwamari: More than 10% fragmentation is rare if you keep <10% space free. ext3fs / ext2fs tends not to fragment. |
| 01:09.47 | Nyle | 6+ years, 24/7 usage, /home is 36gb ReiserFS |
| 01:09.48 | akuwamari | i am talking about File System |
| 01:09.50 | Nyle | never had a problem |
| 01:09.50 | jetscreamer | gene2: 'maybe' i dunno, update-initramfs -u |
| 01:09.52 | sco50000 | so how should i go about commpressing and transfering my partitions to a samba share? |
| 01:10.07 | Nyle | sco50000: why not share directly over samba |
| 01:10.19 | jetscreamer | he's backing up isn't he |
| 01:10.22 | embkas | JordiGH: I found it. I have found it. Add "--directisa" to /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh after HWCLOCKPARS |
| 01:10.24 | Nyle | sco50000: but yeh, use bzip2/tar to compress em |
| 01:10.27 | sco50000 | Nyle: what do you mean? |
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| 01:10.34 | sco50000 | yeah i'll use bzip2 |
| 01:10.37 | Nyle | sco50000: use a backup software |
| 01:10.45 | JordiGH | embkas: So the problem all along was what I thought it was: you can't save to the hardware clock. |
| 01:10.50 | Nyle | use smbfs and mount samba share |
| 01:11.00 | Nyle | then back up your stuff onto it using any good backup software |
| 01:11.07 | sco50000 | ok |
| 01:11.10 | Nyle | or ar eyou just want to 'backup' (not real backup)? |
| 01:11.17 | neurostumit | will deb files work with any derivative of debian? |
| 01:11.17 | gene2 | jetscreamer: you think it has to be part of initrd? |
| 01:11.19 | Nyle | like copy your music/movies/porn etc. to samba? |
| 01:11.23 | Nyle | !wayttd sco50000 |
| 01:11.23 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sco50000? |
| 01:11.27 | akuwamari | http://www2.lut.fi/~ilonen/ext3_fragmentation.html |
| 01:11.34 | jetscreamer | gene2: not sure, but it's a thought, so i said maybe |
| 01:11.42 | jetscreamer | can't hurt |
| 01:11.48 | karsten | akuwamari: The only way to check fragmentation directly that I'm aware is fsck. There's a "filefrag" utility but it only tests individual files, not filesystems (doesn't work on block devices). |
| 01:11.55 | Nyle | sco50000: feel the force flowing through your mind |
| 01:11.58 | gene2 | jetscreamer: just tried, rebooted, still no go |
| 01:12.04 | Nyle | sco50000: let the force guide your hand |
| 01:12.20 | sco50000 | Nyle: i am going to shrink my large underused /home partition and enlarge my tiny / partition |
| 01:12.26 | sco50000 | so i want a good backup |
| 01:12.35 | Nyle | you will resize? |
| 01:12.37 | Nyle | hmm |
| 01:12.51 | embkas | JordiGH: Yes I googled this solution, but I don't know what I'm doing |
| 01:12.57 | jetscreamer | gene2: is that a custom module? i forget but does that have to be added to ...uh..... |
| 01:13.02 | jetscreamer | modules.comf? |
| 01:13.04 | Nyle | sco50000: if its a local network, don't bother compressing |
| 01:13.12 | neurostumit | exit |
| 01:13.17 | sco50000 | Nyle: ok |
| 01:13.19 | karsten | sco50000: How large are your partitions, what partitions do you have? |
| 01:13.30 | Nyle | sco50000: if samba share is big enough, just tar up stuff like directories and copy to smb |
| 01:13.32 | JordiGH | embkas: You really should understand the difference between hardware clock and system clock. |
| 01:13.36 | gene2 | jetscreamer: it's not custom, it's part of v4l-dvb |
| 01:13.44 | JordiGH | embkas: Or maybe not, since you fixed it already and can forever forget it. :-) |
| 01:13.55 | Nyle | sco50000: how much data are we talking? |
| 01:14.17 | Nyle | hw clock is like time keeper |
| 01:14.23 | gene2 | wait a second, i might know why. |
| 01:14.26 | sco50000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.37 | jetscreamer | gene2: then i dunno. 'should' work. you sure you'r etyping the correct module name? |
| 01:14.48 | gene2 | jetscreamer: one second. I think I'm dumb |
| 01:15.02 | Nyle | sco50000: clean out apt-get clean? |
| 01:15.07 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 01:15.07 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 |
| 01:15.08 | gene2 | jetscreamer: I had it blacklisted, I was sure i commented it out, but I did not. it modprobe.d/blacklist it is blacklisted |
| 01:15.12 | karsten | sco50000: I'd allocate about 10 GB for /, 2-3x RAM for swap, and about 1 GB for /tmp., the rest for /home. |
| 01:15.13 | Nyle | sco50000: removed stuff you don't need want? also ran deborphan? |
| 01:15.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:15.15 | sco50000 | Nyle: i did earlier today |
| 01:15.37 | karsten | sco50000: ... I actually partition out /, /boot, /tmp, /usr, /var, /usr/local, and /home, as well as swap, but that's getting old-school. |
| 01:15.41 | sco50000 | what is deborphan? |
| 01:15.48 | karsten | !deborphan |
| 01:15.48 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
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| 01:15.57 | jetscreamer | apt-get autoclean |
| 01:15.58 | karsten | !tell sco50000 about search |
| 01:16.10 | Nyle | karsten: /, /boot, /tmp, /usr, /home definitely |
| 01:16.24 | Nyle | var dont matter, it can go in / |
| 01:16.38 | Nyle | actually, /usr not as much either |
| 01:16.38 | gene2 | jetscreamer: just taking out of blacklist, and even removing from /etc/modules, fixed it. wow I feel dumb |
| 01:16.44 | Nyle | let it sit in / |
| 01:16.49 | jetscreamer | yay team |
| 01:17.03 | jetscreamer | i jus tthrow it all on / |
| 01:17.21 | karsten | Nyle: I like to keep / as small as possible. In part you're trying to ensure bootability while minimizing filesystem variability. /var changes a lot by definition. |
| 01:17.24 | sco50000 | Nyle is there a way to pause this apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:17.39 | karsten | sco50000: ctrl-C will kill it. |
| 01:17.40 | Nyle | sco50000: no, but ^c |
| 01:17.44 | karsten | sco50000: You can restart at any time. |
| 01:17.47 | jetscreamer | sco50000: if it's downloading still, ctrl c . do not if it's installing |
| 01:17.52 | sco50000 | ok |
| 01:17.55 | Nyle | see |
| 01:17.56 | karsten | sco50000: Technically you can kill -STOP the process. |
| 01:17.59 | Nyle | everyone wants to help you |
| 01:18.09 | Nyle | or bg iit |
| 01:18.13 | Nyle | no? |
| 01:18.27 | sco50000 | so what does ^z do? |
| 01:18.28 | Nyle | ^z |
| 01:18.33 | rcbarnes | Ragh! Why is libc6 still broken? |
| 01:18.35 | jetscreamer | bg |
| 01:18.36 | Nyle | send it on background |
| 01:18.47 | sco50000 | that's what i've always used to kill stuff prior to now |
| 01:18.48 | Nyle | type fg it brings back the active one/only one |
| 01:18.51 | Nyle | or read man fg |
| 01:18.53 | jetscreamer | LOL |
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| 01:19.02 | Nyle | read it |
| 01:19.05 | jetscreamer | you 'killed' with ctrl z ? |
| 01:19.07 | Nyle | go find it and read it |
| 01:19.10 | jetscreamer | you missed |
| 01:19.11 | Nyle | gooooo go gogogogogogo |
| 01:19.21 | rcbarnes | Anyone else having trouble with libc6 in lenny? |
| 01:19.22 | sco50000 | No manual entry for fg |
| 01:19.32 | Nyle | sco50000: it was a joke |
| 01:19.38 | Nyle | nm |
| 01:19.44 | Nyle | I am not funny, and I can't make jokes |
| 01:19.47 | Nyle | I should just not try |
| 01:19.52 | Nyle | :( |
| 01:20.00 | jetscreamer | i disagree... :) |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | man bash .. it's a builtin |
| 01:20.20 | iwkse | hi, anybody using gdm know if it cares of password warning/changing? |
| 01:20.36 | Nyle | iwkse: come gain? |
| 01:20.40 | Nyle | again* |
| 01:20.52 | iwkse | Nyle: where? |
| 01:20.53 | Nyle | iwkse: gdm afaik wont' prompt you to change yoru passwors |
| 01:20.55 | jetscreamer | you mean like will it tell you to change your pw after a set time or other conditions? not afaik |
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| 01:21.03 | iwkse | yes |
| 01:21.05 | Nyle | iwkse: what do you mean exactly |
| 01:21.06 | iwkse | i see |
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| 01:21.16 | iwkse | yes i mean right what you said |
| 01:21.19 | rcbarnes | I'm having issues with it causing segfaults in mplayer, labplot, and others. (Actually, it's been causing increasing numbers of issues as time goes on.) |
| 01:21.22 | Nyle | no, it doesn't do that |
| 01:21.25 | iwkse | setting -x -w |
| 01:21.29 | iwkse | i see |
| 01:21.32 | jetscreamer | but gdm doesn't set your pw |
| 01:21.37 | Nyle | you CAN however set system policy |
| 01:21.40 | jetscreamer | it just processes it |
| 01:21.44 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 01:21.55 | iwkse | don't need to change it but ask the user to do it |
| 01:21.57 | Nyle | gdm still won't prompt you |
| 01:22.03 | Nyle | that functionality is not built into gdm |
| 01:22.10 | iwkse | ok |
| 01:22.14 | jetscreamer | there may be such a gnome tool |
| 01:22.16 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 01:22.20 | jetscreamer | just not gdm |
| 01:22.21 | Nyle | kdm doesn't either, afaik |
| 01:22.27 | iwkse | i see |
| 01:22.33 | jetscreamer | ah but will gnome or kde |
| 01:22.34 | Nyle | I maybe wrong |
| 01:22.37 | iwkse | i can find some other ways |
| 01:22.43 | Nyle | my leg huts I dunno why |
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| 01:22.47 | Nyle | ache |
| 01:23.01 | jetscreamer | you don't run 1 mile a day and 5 once a week |
| 01:23.03 | Nyle | godamit its irritating now, I'm gonna go get some tylenol before store closes |
| 01:23.17 | Nyle | I pulled something i think maybe |
| 01:23.37 | jetscreamer | and 20 once a month |
| 01:23.39 | Nyle | entire right leg is throbbing, the cold and fybromyalgea i have doesn't help |
| 01:23.49 | jetscreamer | neither do i, but i have |
| 01:24.10 | karsten | Nyle: You should try to get fybroamnesia. |
| 01:24.22 | karsten | Nyle: That's where you body forgets about pain, but nobody understands why. |
| 01:25.00 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:25.07 | Nyle | that is hilarious |
| 01:25.14 | Nyle | karsten is on fire tonight |
| 01:27.23 | Nyle | jetscreamer: my 1971 custom les paul with debian smoke circle logo thingy (tiny smoke circle) as fretboard inlays |
| 01:27.38 | sco50000 | so how can i use deborphan to remove unused libs? it just seems to list them |
| 01:27.47 | Nyle | once again |
| 01:27.49 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 01:27.54 | streuner_ | scoopex: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 01:27.57 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's actually a really bad thing; people with leprosy tend to get it too |
| 01:28.06 | Nyle | but... what you won't find there, is sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` |
| 01:28.11 | sco50000 | i did, right before i asked that question |
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| 01:28.22 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: yeh.... THAT I don't have |
| 01:28.28 | Nyle | leprosy I mean |
| 01:28.29 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 01:29.50 | Nyle | ? |
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| 01:30.02 | Nyle | oh |
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| 01:30.07 | Nyle | the pain disorder |
| 01:30.10 | Nyle | word |
| 01:30.39 | shamrock | Anyone here running Debian on an X-Series thinkpad (30)? Any advice to give? |
| 01:30.49 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 01:30.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:30.53 | Nyle | shamrock: what do you need to ask |
| 01:30.55 | dondelelcaro | shamrock: yes, I have; what in particular is your question? |
| 01:30.57 | Nyle | specifically |
| 01:31.19 | streuner_ | shamrock: plenty people do, thinkpads are well supported |
| 01:31.22 | jetscreamer | actually i think there's 3 different thinkpad modules |
| 01:31.32 | Nyle | models? |
| 01:31.40 | jetscreamer | kernel modules |
| 01:31.42 | shamrock | Nyle:it was fairly obvious. I am looking for any suggestions you might have as to what can be done to improve the experience. Any pitfalls etc. If I dont know what you have learnt, I can hardly ask about it now can I. |
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| 01:31.42 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 01:31.47 | jetscreamer | i thought it was two |
| 01:31.56 | Nyle | ahh i see |
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| 01:32.04 | jetscreamer | toshutils |
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| 01:32.38 | streuner_ | shamrock: so whats the real question? |
| 01:32.43 | jetscreamer | !info toshutils |
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| 01:32.49 | dpkg | toshutils: (Toshiba laptop utilities), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.0.1-19 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 432 kB |
| 01:32.53 | sco50000 | Nyle: i have the smb mounted, do you have an opinion on what backup software is better? |
| 01:33.03 | Nyle | not really |
| 01:33.09 | shamrock | streuner_: please dont play games. Its clear enough. if you would like to offer me some sage advice or suggestions please do, otherwise stop wasting your time and mince. |
| 01:33.35 | Nyle | sco50000: apt-cache search backup |
| 01:33.41 | sco50000 | i am |
| 01:33.44 | Nyle | sco50000: how much data do you need to backup? |
| 01:33.56 | jetscreamer | grep -i tosh /boot/config-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 01:34.03 | streuner_ | well, dude, you dont know #debian, otherwise you would know that was a real statement in order to get a question... |
| 01:34.09 | Nyle | few gigs? just copy em over to the smb share |
| 01:34.16 | jetscreamer | any other questions? |
| 01:34.18 | Nyle | streuner_: ? |
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| 01:35.04 | shamrock | streuner_: as I said. Please ignore me. It is clear enough what I am asking. I am asking for some experiences and suggestions to make the thinkpad with debian a better experience. Simple enough for most anyone to understand. Over and out. |
| 01:35.06 | sco50000 | Nyle: backing up 4.3GB from one partition and 2.6GB from the other partition |
| 01:35.16 | Nyle | sco50000: oh dude, just copy em over |
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| 01:35.17 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:35.21 | sco50000 | smb has 16GB free |
| 01:35.22 | dutche- | does anybody here has managed to install Oracle10g on Debian for amd64? |
| 01:35.29 | Nyle | to tar up the parent dir and copy it over |
| 01:35.35 | Nyle | or* |
| 01:35.46 | Nyle | i thought you had like some actual backup to do |
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| 01:35.52 | Nyle | like incremental, differential etc etc. |
| 01:36.06 | Nyle | you don't need backup software man, just tar up and copy |
| 01:36.08 | sco50000 | not even sure what that means :P |
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| 01:36.14 | Nyle | then don't worry about it |
| 01:36.20 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:36.29 | dondelelcaro | dutche-: please don't ask the same question in both channels; you'll have better luck if you ask the specific question that you have too. |
| 01:36.49 | dondelelcaro | (and if the question really is, has someone manged to do something, assume that the answer is "yes") |
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| 01:37.41 | abrotman | dutche-: are you having a problem? |
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| 01:37.51 | Nyle | who the hell is dutche- |
| 01:38.06 | Nyle | oh |
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| 01:38.54 | dutche- | abrotman, I'm trying to install oracle10g on debian for amd64, but with the default settings of debian it does not work... |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | need more details |
| 01:39.04 | sco50000 | Nyle: is this good? tar -cjf /mnt/smbshare/debianbackup.tar.bz2 / |
| 01:39.13 | dutche- | abrotman, so I tought if there is any tutorial to learn how can I install it |
| 01:39.21 | sco50000 | do i have to do more to retain permissions correctly? |
| 01:39.39 | Nyle | sco50000: seems ok... |
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| 01:39.43 | abrotman | dutche-: you'd probably have more luck in the oracle forums |
| 01:40.17 | Nyle | sco50000: your are tarring, perms are going to be kept |
| 01:40.26 | sco50000 | ok |
| 01:40.29 | Nyle | inside the tar file, the files will retain their stuff |
| 01:40.43 | Nyle | which is why didn't just say to copy your files over, but to tar them first |
| 01:41.20 | RobotGuy | How do I get Grub reinstalled on the hard drive? |
| 01:41.27 | Nyle | !grub |
| 01:41.27 | dpkg | somebody said grub was the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr>. |
| 01:41.30 | sco50000 | hmm. it wanted to put the files mounted in the smb share in the tar file too :( |
| 01:41.33 | Nyle | ahh its fixmbr |
| 01:41.38 | Nyle | RobotGuy: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 01:41.49 | sco50000 | i need it to stay within the partition |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | RobotGuy: what happened to it? |
| 01:42.10 | Nyle | oh duh yeh |
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| 01:42.46 | Nyle | sco50000: hang on, i don't remember what i told you half hour ago i think it was something else i was thinking at the tiome |
| 01:42.49 | RobotGuy | abrotman: Power failed and the server did not recover. |
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| 01:43.00 | abrotman | RobotGuy: that's not good .. |
| 01:43.29 | sco50000 | Nyle: --onefile-system looks like what i want |
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| 01:43.38 | RobotGuy | abrotman: It happened twice the same night, second time server did not recover. |
| 01:43.40 | sco50000 | err, --one-file-system |
| 01:43.48 | abrotman | RobotGuy: time for an UPS maybe? :) |
| 01:43.49 | Nyle | well this is great |
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| 01:43.53 | Nyle | i like this guy |
| 01:43.57 | Nyle | I don't have to read for him |
| 01:44.03 | Nyle | wow, not that I do that anyway |
| 01:44.09 | RobotGuy | Thankfully, I always have a Knoppix DVD handy. |
| 01:44.19 | pablo__ | hi, can i connect to port x of a server using an outgoing connection on my machine of port y |
| 01:44.26 | Nyle | sco50000: dude, im sure you'll get it figured out |
| 01:44.27 | RobotGuy | abrotman: Not going to happen anytime soon, but I would like to have a UPS. |
| 01:44.34 | Nyle | sco50000: I have no doubt my young padewan learner |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | RobotGuy: you can chroot into your installation .. and then run grub from there |
| 01:45.01 | RobotGuy | Oh, and thanks for the tip on fixmbr - that is just what I needed. |
| 01:45.27 | RobotGuy | abrotman: I know. It was the commands to reinstall Grub that I did not know. |
| 01:45.41 | sco50000 | good thing i randomly decided to add the -v option, or i wouldn't have known it was tarring the smb mount |
| 01:45.55 | abrotman | RobotGuy: oh .. okay |
| 01:46.11 | Nyle | sco50000: oh yeh I was gonna tell you to add the -v but I quickly had a brain fart |
| 01:46.16 | Nyle | I have not smoked a joint all day |
| 01:46.28 | Nyle | I'm trying nto cut down a lot, hopefully slowly I'll regain my brain |
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| 01:46.39 | Nyle | trying to* |
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| 01:47.42 | Nyle | sco50000: and when I meant the backup software I meant mount the smb share |
| 01:48.09 | Nyle | sco50000: you don't need to really mount it anyway you can just specify the \\machine\share\file.tar |
| 01:48.12 | Nyle | I think |
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| 01:49.20 | Nyle | alright, its time to toke up |
| 01:49.22 | sco50000 | i would have needed --one-file-system anyway, because i have other a windows partition mounted that i don't want to backup |
| 01:49.24 | Nyle | enough is enough. |
| 01:49.32 | Nyle | sco50000: ahh ok then |
| 01:49.57 | sco50000 | kinda pointless to backup something that won't boot :P |
| 01:50.04 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:50.31 | sco50000 | windows actually led me to start tinkering with linux because it stoped working |
| 01:50.43 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:50.53 | Nyle | you've never used linux before? or have you? |
| 01:50.53 | vin` | Nyle: toker joker |
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| 01:51.03 | Nyle | nah man |
| 01:51.18 | sco50000 | i've been using linux since last summer or so |
| 01:51.21 | Nyle | its like, just toker |
| 01:51.44 | Nyle | sco50000: thats great |
| 01:51.46 | sco50000 | last summer i got my first high speed interenet connection |
| 01:51.54 | sco50000 | changed a lot of things |
| 01:52.00 | Nyle | i've been using for a very long time and I still don't know nothin |
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| 01:52.47 | vin` | sco50000: back important stuff and nuke the sucker. |
| 01:53.03 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:53.04 | vin` | s/back/&up |
| 01:53.11 | Nyle | don't tell him to put a hdd in a microwave oven ;) |
| 01:53.31 | sco50000 | Nyle: that would be pretty fun though... :P |
| 01:53.35 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:53.37 | vin` | that's what I did ;) |
| 01:53.44 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 01:53.52 | Nyle | well |
| 01:53.58 | Nyle | if you want to really really destroy yoru data |
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| 01:54.04 | Nyle | you can't beat microwaves |
| 01:54.09 | Nyle | even with a sledgehamer |
| 01:54.25 | Nyle | they can use the bits of the platter to try and reconstruct some of the data after they pull it off |
| 01:54.30 | wols_ | a really BIG hammer :) |
| 01:54.33 | sco50000 | i might try and get it working just for the fact that gaming companies are scared of linux |
| 01:54.36 | Nyle | microwaves, you can't beat em |
| 01:54.55 | vin` | you guys notice anything different after the cable damage? |
| 01:54.55 | Nyle | people should embrace linux |
| 01:54.59 | wols_ | there are ways, still |
| 01:55.00 | sco50000 | wols_: we'll get a really BIG microwave! |
| 01:55.13 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 01:55.45 | Nyle | and what you really should use, are electromagnets |
| 01:55.50 | wols_ | they aren't scared of linux. tey just don't give a shit there is no market or platform for it |
| 01:55.51 | Nyle | forget shredding data and trashing the disk |
| 01:55.52 | streuner_ | overwriting is usually enough nowadays, no need to grow your paranoia :-) |
| 01:55.55 | sco50000 | so you can stand up inside, jump around, etc... cancerous fun for the whole family |
| 01:55.56 | Nyle | just demagnetize it |
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| 01:56.17 | Nyle | streuner_: do you know the DoD security criteria |
| 01:56.23 | wols_ | Natilous: there are usually residues. thermite is used for a reason |
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| 01:56.30 | Nyle | data must be filled with linear zero's 7 times |
| 01:56.37 | Nyle | iirc |
| 01:56.46 | Nyle | thats the gov. standard at leat |
| 01:57.03 | Natilous | Hi ... how can I speed up Syanptic package manager ? |
| 01:57.07 | wols_ | ny dosn't work. you simply melt the platter. only way to truly demagentize |
| 01:57.17 | Nyle | ny? |
| 01:57.20 | vin` | Natilous: which mirror? |
| 01:57.31 | sco50000 | Natilous: you want to speed up download speed? |
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| 01:57.36 | wols_ | nyle: |
| 01:57.42 | Natilous | sco50000: debian mirrors . |
| 01:57.55 | Natilous | sco50000: yes |
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| 01:58.31 | Saar | great article :-) http://www.aboutdebian.com/linux.htm |
| 01:58.53 | abrotman | !tell Natilous about apt-spy |
| 01:59.04 | streuner_ | Saar: please dont paste random articles without context here |
| 01:59.09 | sco50000 | Natilous: a short time ago i used apt-spy to find the fastest mirrors, and it sped things up |
| 01:59.46 | vin` | sco50000: where are you located? |
| 01:59.51 | Nyle | While it may seem unbelievable that having an old Pentium system and $20 means you can have your own Linux Internet, LAN, gateway, or application server, our guide pages will show you how easily it can be done. The $20 is for a 3-DVD set containing the official Debian Linux distribution which is sold by Web vendors (now including us!). |
| 01:59.57 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 01:59.59 | Nyle | so THATS what that is |
| 02:00.09 | Natilous | I save many packages with synaptic (mark theme) how can I use this saved file for ? |
| 02:00.14 | sco50000 | vin`: canada |
| 02:00.28 | sco50000 | vin`: more specifiacally, saskatchewan |
| 02:00.34 | vin` | sorry Natilous ^ |
| 02:00.34 | abrotman | Natilous: /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 02:00.43 | vin` | sco50000: ok :) |
| 02:00.58 | sco50000 | vin`: why do you ask? |
| 02:01.26 | vin` | sco50000: meant to ask Natilous to suggest a mirror, nm. |
| 02:01.54 | Natilous | abrotman: I close it .. |
| 02:02.01 | vin` | Natilous: you should try aptitude. |
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| 02:02.19 | RobotGuy | Success! My server is back online. Thanks much for the assist! |
| 02:02.59 | Nyle | RobotGuy: what did you have to do? |
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| 02:03.18 | Natilous | is aptuitude faster than apt-get ? or faster than apt-axel ??? |
| 02:03.26 | vin` | sco50000: specifically |
| 02:03.32 | Nyle | faster? |
| 02:03.33 | RobotGuy | Nyle: I just had to reinstall Grub on the MBR. |
| 02:03.35 | streuner_ | !why aptitude |
| 02:03.35 | datachild | anyone in here use bittorrent (mainline) over cli? |
| 02:03.35 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 02:03.35 | Nyle | not for me |
| 02:03.44 | sco50000 | any aproximations of how long it will take to tar and bzip2 4.3GB of data over a 100Mbit ethernet? |
| 02:03.46 | Natilous | Nyle: faster for download |
| 02:03.52 | vin` | and what's apt-axel? |
| 02:04.01 | Nyle | Natilous: no, it depends on your sources |
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| 02:04.17 | vin` | datachild: try rtorrent |
| 02:04.17 | Nyle | Natilous: ftp vs cdrom vd http |
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| 02:04.29 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 02:04.41 | Nyle | Natilous: the downloading is not done by aptitude per se |
| 02:04.42 | Natilous | apt-axel is apt-get but use AXEL downloader for accelerate download |
| 02:04.58 | vin` | never heard of it. |
| 02:05.00 | datachild | vin`, can't, i just want some client taht can create torrents over cli without enabling DHT |
| 02:05.14 | Nyle | datachild: torrent maker, google for it |
| 02:05.22 | vin` | datachild: and rtorrent doesn't let you do that? |
| 02:05.23 | Nyle | linux binary or source i think should be available too |
| 02:05.38 | Nyle | very small, like few kb |
| 02:06.02 | datachild | vin`, rtorrent itself cant do it |
| 02:06.25 | Natilous | download apt-axel from here ... I don't test it ! http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Installer-Setup/Apt-Axel-1648.shtml# |
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| 02:06.51 | vin` | Natilous: quit your plugs here |
| 02:06.56 | datachild | vin`; one must use createtorrent.. but createtorrent makes files wich aren't bencoded and cant be read by some trackers, and it also has DHT enabled by default |
| 02:07.47 | Natilous | vin`: plugs ?? what is this ? |
| 02:07.56 | vin` | Natilous: just kidding :) |
| 02:08.16 | Natilous | ohom .. ok .. thanx ... ! |
| 02:08.46 | pipeline | datachild: azureus can do anything in CLI that it can do in the SWT GUI IIRC |
| 02:09.22 | datachild | pipeline; i think i got it now tho, using mainline |
| 02:09.27 | datachild | checking |
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| 02:10.12 | yy | anyone known the first thing about scons? |
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| 02:10.25 | vin` | s |
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| 02:14.09 | Wyzard | yy: I've used it |
| 02:14.13 | Nyle | ahh |
| 02:14.14 | Nyle | its ugh |
| 02:14.22 | Wyzard | It's pretty nice |
| 02:14.29 | Nyle | meh |
| 02:14.36 | Wyzard | Much nicer than make, at least |
| 02:14.39 | yy | Wyzard -- Cool. Any clue how to configure it to look for other directories for files? It ain't seeing libxml. |
| 02:16.00 | Wyzard | yy: env.ParseConfig("pkg-config --cflag --libs libxml") |
| 02:16.13 | Wyzard | or whatever the pkg-config name for libxml is |
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| 02:17.09 | Wyzard | If there's no pkg-config file for it, env.Append(LIBS="xml") |
| 02:17.24 | Wyzard | (which will just put "-lxml" in the link command) |
| 02:17.44 | Wyzard | oops, that should've been "--cflags", not "--cflag" |
| 02:17.50 | yy | yeah, caught that one. |
| 02:17.51 | yy | hmm |
| 02:18.09 | Nyle | cfflag |
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| 02:18.29 | Wyzard | If your libxml is in a weird place, env.Append(LIBPATH="/foo/bar/whatever") |
| 02:18.41 | datachild | pipeline; it works now, so, no worries, but thanks for the tip tho |
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| 02:18.59 | Wyzard | CPPPATH for directories containing headers |
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| 02:19.24 | Nyle | you have many #include files or something |
| 02:19.27 | Nyle | organize! |
| 02:19.44 | Nyle | don't laugh at me |
| 02:19.50 | Nyle | visual studio ftw |
| 02:19.55 | Nyle | bugger off. |
| 02:20.05 | yy | Wyzard -- helpful. I'm honestly not udnerstanding your env.Append() bits though. I am just doing this from command line. =) |
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| 02:20.28 | yy | Wyzard, I do see that pkg-config doesn't see my libxml2 |
| 02:20.47 | yy | its in an odd place. I'm missing something basic. |
| 02:21.07 | Wyzard | yy: Oh, you're not writing an SConstruct file, you're just trying to build something using an existing one? |
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| 02:21.14 | yy | Yes sir. |
| 02:21.17 | yy | Sorry for being vague. |
| 02:21.31 | Wyzard | yy: then you probably just don't have the libxml headers installed |
| 02:21.36 | Wyzard | yy: libxml-dev or libxml2-dev |
| 02:21.41 | yy | hmm, let me see. |
| 02:22.50 | yy | You sure? pkg-config libxml2 gives me nothing either. |
| 02:23.01 | yy | (installing the shlibs now) |
| 02:23.11 | enzo | i've configured a raid 1, i have the mbr on my first disk, should i backup this mbr in case the first disk crashes ? |
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| 02:24.46 | Wyzard | yy: libxml2-dev contains /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxml-2.0.pc, so it should work with pkg-config |
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| 02:24.56 | IronManMario | testicle. |
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| 02:26.30 | rahul | penix. |
| 02:26.43 | yy | Wyzard, will you join me in #scons for a few? |
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| 02:26.56 | xdr | anyone know any good protection against ddos attacks? |
| 02:27.00 | yy | I won't take up but 5 minutes, I promise. |
| 02:27.04 | rahul | xdr: unplug your internet connection |
| 02:27.07 | yy | xdr -- block the IPs =) |
| 02:27.17 | sco50000 | rahul, you beat me to it :P |
| 02:27.28 | xdr | yy: ITD + blacklist = |
| 02:27.53 | xdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.00 | xdr | rahul: that's not an option |
| 02:28.28 | Nyle | !tell rahul about penix |
| 02:28.34 | rahul | haha |
| 02:28.56 | rahul | gandoo saab, you have outdone yourself again. |
| 02:29.13 | Nyle | yeh well at least I'm not a bondi |
| 02:29.17 | Nyle | oooohhh burn! |
| 02:29.25 | rahul | heh |
| 02:29.28 | Nyle | anyway, why are you tellin ghim to remove his internet |
| 02:29.40 | rahul | http://thebondi.com/ |
| 02:29.43 | Nyle | just tell him straight up that there is no real protection against ddos |
| 02:29.47 | rahul | because he doesn't want to get packets |
| 02:30.06 | rahul | if he isn't connected, he won't get ddos'd |
| 02:30.21 | Nyle | that defeats the purpose |
| 02:30.24 | magyar | hi, I keep getting "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" on etch, is there a key problem? |
| 02:30.37 | Nyle | magyar: /topic |
| 02:30.39 | rahul | if he has half a brain, he'll figure it out |
| 02:30.39 | xdr | Nyle: what do you think of my solution? |
| 02:30.51 | rahul | if not, it's not worth helping him anyway |
| 02:30.59 | magyar | yhanks Nyle |
| 02:31.02 | Nyle | xdr: horrible |
| 02:31.19 | xdr | Nyle: what would be your best solution? |
| 02:31.28 | Nyle | xdr: just setup basic firewall rules or get a hw firewall, don't piss people off and call it a night |
| 02:31.31 | rahul | xdr: all you'll do is double your traffic |
| 02:31.38 | Nyle | there is NO protection against DDoS |
| 02:31.42 | Nyle | absolutely none |
| 02:31.44 | rahul | a firewall won't prevent his connection from getting saturated |
| 02:31.52 | rahul | he will still not be able to use his connection |
| 02:32.03 | Nyle | rahul: man just hush |
| 02:32.03 | xdr | rahul Nyle connection 100/10 |
| 02:32.13 | Nyle | I was trying nto give him a sense of security so he'd shush |
| 02:32.16 | rahul | heh |
| 02:32.28 | rahul | give him a pacifier to suck on |
| 02:32.42 | Nyle | !tell rahul about lunx |
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| 02:32.45 | Nyle | !tell rahul about penix |
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| 02:32.48 | Nyle | hah, brain part |
| 02:32.54 | Nyle | fart |
| 02:32.56 | rahul | heh |
| 02:32.58 | Nyle | goddamit I can't even type |
| 02:33.08 | rahul | you're gonna make me go the bar |
| 02:33.15 | Nyle | no I'm not |
| 02:33.19 | rahul | yes you are |
| 02:33.22 | Nyle | ok go |
| 02:33.24 | xdr | Nyle rahul and the total amount of connection to attack is 300/210 |
| 02:33.25 | rahul | ok |
| 02:33.29 | rahul | heh |
| 02:34.31 | rahul | I should do dishes |
| 02:34.46 | rahul | see you bondis later. |
| 02:35.10 | xdr | Nyle: your opinion how hard is it to knock that out? |
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| 02:39.13 | Ezep | Sorry, which mark of notebook would I buy for debian compatibility |
| 02:39.39 | Nyle | !laptop |
| 02:39.39 | dpkg | well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 02:40.10 | Ezep | !thinkpad |
| 02:40.11 | dpkg | from memory, thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html, or <mwavem> |
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| 02:41.22 | tdrus1 | how can I remove a package and all it's config files from the commandline? |
| 02:41.40 | Nyle | tdrus1: --purge |
| 02:41.52 | Nyle | tdrus1: apt-get remove --purge |
| 02:42.52 | abrotman | man aptitude .. see purge |
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| 02:43.53 | sco50000 | what is the diference between splashy and usplash, and can bootsplashes made for one wrok with the other? |
| 02:43.56 | tdrus1 | thanks |
| 02:44.10 | Nyle | sco50000: probably not |
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| 02:44.42 | Nyle | I got bootsplash custom in my bios rom image, and then in grub, and then in debian bootup |
| 02:44.56 | Nyle | man i need to get high i swear to god i feel retarded righ tnow |
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| 02:46.10 | sco50000 | yay, 2/3 done backup |
| 02:46.19 | tdrus1 | hmm. I am trying to work with vnc. I got the settings that I wanted but I want it to end with :0 so it's easy to remember. Right now it's assigning :12 after I already ran through :0-11. How can I make it forget about those? |
| 02:46.29 | sco50000 | can't imagine this wiht a large amout of data |
| 02:46.43 | Nyle | you would have to eliminate the vncserver running on :0 |
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| 02:46.59 | Nyle | i think like vncserver -kill :0 something I can't remember |
| 02:47.06 | Nyle | its something along those lines, look in the man page |
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| 02:48.08 | tdrus1 | that would have worked, but "You'll have to kill the Xrealvnc process manually". How can I do that? |
| 02:48.09 | Nyle | but anyway, you can't have two vncservers running on the same display |
| 02:48.20 | Nyle | tdrus1: man kill |
| 02:48.32 | Ezep | dell suckz? |
| 02:48.37 | Nyle | yes |
| 02:48.41 | Ezep | omg :| |
| 02:48.52 | Nyle | some people like cheap |
| 02:48.56 | Nyle | some people like good |
| 02:49.25 | Ezep | good is my style |
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| 02:49.42 | Nyle | for laptop, try ibm or hp |
| 02:49.51 | amphi | Nyle: you're very oracular ATM ;) |
| 02:49.59 | Nyle | do research about your laptops motherboards, chopsets |
| 02:50.03 | amphi | Ezep: stinkpads FTW |
| 02:50.12 | Nyle | amphi: if you keep enhancing my vocabulary like that |
| 02:50.15 | Nyle | sure |
| 02:50.20 | amphi | ;) |
| 02:50.27 | Ezep | I own an oldy thinkpad, I love it |
| 02:50.28 | Ezep | :) |
| 02:50.32 | wols | Ezep: thinpad, apple or brand name busingess (not consumer) notebook |
| 02:50.42 | wols | !tell Ezep about laptops |
| 02:50.51 | Nyle | 1 : resembling an oracle (as in solemnity of delivery) 2 : of, relating to, or being an oracle |
| 02:50.56 | tdrus1 | Thanks nyle |
| 02:50.58 | Nyle | I see |
| 02:51.00 | amphi | Ezep: which one? |
| 02:51.11 | Ezep | 380xd |
| 02:51.23 | Nyle | amphi: I worked at dell for a good while before I became almost insane |
| 02:51.24 | amphi | that is an oldie |
| 02:51.25 | Ezep | very old, but beautyfull :) |
| 02:51.36 | Nyle | thats not old |
| 02:51.44 | amphi | Nyle: so what finished you off? ;) |
| 02:51.50 | Nyle | 25.33mhz, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd, 386 |
| 02:51.56 | Nyle | compuadd laptop |
| 02:52.00 | Ezep | damn :| |
| 02:52.01 | Nyle | now that is an oldie, from 1992 |
| 02:52.02 | Nyle | :) |
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| 02:52.17 | Nyle | amphi: I felt like a crook |
| 02:52.17 | Ezep | yeah , u are right. |
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| 02:52.28 | Nyle | I was forced to do things I did not feel comfortable doing |
| 02:52.40 | amphi | Nyle: ok, you've got the phartiest laptop ;) |
| 02:52.41 | xdr | Nyle: is there anywhere I can find information about protection against untalented scriptkiddies? |
| 02:52.42 | Ezep | Mine thinkpad has 233mhz 64mb of ram, 3.8gb (2.6 real) |
| 02:52.49 | Nyle | They asked me to do so many thigns that made me feel constantly dishonest |
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| 02:52.56 | Nyle | I got fed up one day, I said fuck it. |
| 02:53.04 | amphi | Nyle: good for you |
| 02:53.06 | Nyle | I stopped going to work, I didn't quit, I just stopped going. |
| 02:53.12 | dutche- | I messed up my /etc/profile and it's unmodified after the installation...which debian package can I get the profile again?? |
| 02:53.28 | Nyle | amphi: I was getting paid really really well |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | !find etc/profile etch |
| 02:53.39 | atealtha | aptitude install gives me this error message "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the virtualbox-ose package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." but I haven't messed with the package, just used it. Where do I start to fix this? |
| 02:54.09 | Nyle | Ezep: good enough for debian |
| 02:54.15 | amphi | Nyle: no need to tell 'em - they'll notice after a while ;) |
| 02:54.17 | dondelelcaro | atealtha: that means that that package doesn't have a file list. Just reinstall it, and it should be ok. |
| 02:54.20 | xdr | Nyle: Office space? |
| 02:54.29 | atealtha | dondelelcaro: I'll give that a shot, thanks |
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| 02:54.44 | Ezep | Nyle: obviously ;) |
| 02:54.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/profile' (3): (/usr/share/doc/sysprofile/examples/etc/profile) in admin/sysprofile ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/etc/profile) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/etc/profile) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 02:54.52 | Nyle | xdr: I watched office space while I was sick and for two weeks I watched it over and over and didn't go to work and smoked weed all day long |
| 02:54.57 | Nyle | xdr: I LOVED IT |
| 02:55.08 | xdr | Nyle: me too |
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| 02:55.45 | atealtha | dondelelcaro: worked like a charm, thanks again |
| 02:56.11 | Nyle | then after two weeks i went to my doctor, I said hey man, gimme a note, here is your 30$ consultation fee, went back to work, boss said ok start right away, I said Im out, he met with the district manager, and after much fighting they let me go |
| 02:56.19 | Nyle | anyway |
| 02:56.29 | xdr | Nyle: hehe |
| 02:56.41 | xdr | wonder what the time is |
| 02:56.55 | Nyle | date |
| 02:57.06 | Nyle | Thu Jan 31 21:55:42 EST 2008 |
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| 02:58.16 | Nyle | "back up in your ass with the ressurection" |
| 02:58.18 | Nyle | ehehe |
| 02:58.38 | Nyle | Naghinanajar |
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| 03:00.10 | Ezep | fuck me |
| 03:00.35 | Nyle | xdr: my goal is to make enough money to move back down south and buy some land, put some trailers on it, and rent it out, buy some apartment buildings, some old repossessed houses, pay local kids to fix em up and then sell em after for twice the money |
| 03:00.42 | Nyle | that way, I NEVER have to work |
| 03:00.44 | Nyle | EVER |
| 03:00.49 | xdr | hehe friday the 31 0400 |
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| 03:01.01 | xdr | maybe I should stop working now |
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| 03:10.55 | ericP_ | running sid one a Dell Latitude D820 with a 82801G (ICH7), i can use skype and twinkle, but haven't found the secret sauce to simply record |
| 03:10.58 | ericP_ | ideas? |
| 03:11.18 | jetscreamer | rocket sauce |
| 03:11.33 | ericP_ | all i've got is a little special sauce |
| 03:11.41 | ericP_ | and to tell you the truth, it's not so special anymore |
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| 03:12.18 | ericP_ | rec gives me "rec soxio: Failed reading `default': unknown file type `alsa'" |
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| 03:17.03 | jetscreamer | i don't use mic so ... |
| 03:17.20 | jetscreamer | no alsa is in the kernel |
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| 03:21.18 | oomii | hey all... where are most PIDs stored |
| 03:21.19 | oomii | ? |
| 03:21.46 | dondelelcaro | oomii: generally /var/run/ |
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| 03:22.01 | dondelelcaro | (though there are exceptions, of course) |
| 03:22.09 | oomii | what might be an exception |
| 03:22.19 | oomii | something configured to be otherwise? |
| 03:23.00 | dondelelcaro | the exceptions are usually things that have subdirectories of /var/run/ or possibly use /var/lib, but everything distributed in Debian should be using /var somewhere. |
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| 03:28.04 | sevard | Seb!! |
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| 03:29.49 | oomii | is it possible to kill processes from the top utility? |
| 03:30.14 | oomii | dondelelcaro: thank you for the previous answers btw |
| 03:30.15 | oomii | :) |
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| 03:30.24 | sevard | Yes. |
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| 03:30.37 | scriptdevil | !e17 |
| 03:30.37 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
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| 03:31.01 | oomii | scriptdevil: was that to me? |
| 03:31.19 | scriptdevil | oomii: no.. that was to the bot.. i wanted a debian build of e17 |
| 03:31.20 | oomii | sevard: how is it done? |
| 03:31.27 | wols | oomii: not possible iirc. but not needed either. man kill, man killall |
| 03:31.37 | scriptdevil | !DR17 |
| 03:31.37 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html or http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ (dead link?) |
| 03:31.45 | oomii | wols: thanks ;) |
| 03:31.47 | sevard | oomii: if you'd stop blabbing in your irc client and man kill you'd see that if you pressed 'k' and the PID you can kill a proc that way. |
| 03:31.53 | sevard | erm, man top. |
| 03:32.08 | oomii | sevard: thanks |
| 03:32.16 | oomii | thats easier than reading man |
| 03:32.41 | sevard | oh? "man top" "/" "kill" "enter" |
| 03:32.56 | sevard | that's easier than asking two questions and waiting 30 seconds. |
| 03:33.06 | oomii | well typing it is easy |
| 03:33.20 | sevard | ... |
| 03:33.25 | scriptdevil | well.. can someone update that dpkg bot's data base on e17 to point to http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/repository/ ?? |
| 03:33.26 | sevard | is there a !spoonfed ? |
| 03:33.32 | amphi | htop is a more luxurious top |
| 03:33.35 | scriptdevil | the 2 sites it shows are obselete |
| 03:34.07 | jetscreamer | you can |
| 03:34.11 | sevard | amphi: last time I used htop it segfaulted when I tried to do anything luxurious, mind you that was around 2 years ago, but I still wouldn't recommend it. |
| 03:34.16 | jetscreamer | !spoon |
| 03:34.16 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 03:34.22 | sevard | jetscreamer: nice. |
| 03:34.51 | amphi | sevard: seems to work fine these days - I only 'discovered' a while back |
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| 03:35.16 | sevard | amphi: use at your own risk, i suppose. |
| 03:35.16 | sco50000 | s there a way to compsre the contents of a tar archive against a folder? |
| 03:35.42 | sevard | sco50000: like using diff and tar --list ? :) |
| 03:35.52 | amphi | indeed |
| 03:36.01 | sevard | sco50000: also, this is linux man, it's 'directory' |
| 03:36.46 | sco50000 | the nwhy does it look like a folder in konqueror :P |
| 03:37.15 | sevard | but why are you using konqueror? :( |
| 03:37.25 | scriptdevil | sco50000: well.. use diff |
| 03:37.31 | sco50000 | ok |
| 03:38.07 | oomii | when looking at the signals in 'man kill' why do so many of them have the exact same action... but all different names? |
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| 03:38.54 | sevard | whooohoo! girl showed up with pizza |
| 03:39.10 | scriptdevil | oomii: that is a computer architecture based definition... like you can die of a heart attack or be run over by a bus |
| 03:39.24 | oomii | so it doesn't matter |
| 03:39.31 | oomii | all lead to the same destination |
| 03:39.34 | scriptdevil | it does matter how you die |
| 03:39.35 | oomii | find one i like then use it |
| 03:39.59 | oomii | okay... why does it matter? |
| 03:40.01 | scriptdevil | i mean.. how a process dies |
| 03:40.07 | oomii | :) i get it |
| 03:40.15 | oomii | why does it matter... logging? |
| 03:40.22 | sevard | oomii: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3601526 |
| 03:40.41 | sevard | have fun! |
| 03:40.45 | oomii | cool... and article by a linux chic |
| 03:40.51 | oomii | to bad she looks mantastic |
| 03:40.58 | oomii | damn that was mean :( |
| 03:41.28 | sevard | p.s. (not very mean, more butch than bob on that one) |
| 03:42.36 | oomii | lol.. indeed. still... i have a problem with voicing my initial judgments of people |
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| 03:43.12 | Nyle | looks are only as deep as skin |
| 03:43.26 | Miesco | I got something in the line in, jackd only says there is catpure1 and 2, how do I make it see the line in? |
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| 03:44.52 | Saar | how do I reconfigure xorg in debian, as is done during installation |
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| 03:45.27 | scriptdevil | Saar: X -configure |
| 03:45.36 | Saar | ok thanks |
| 03:45.37 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 03:45.37 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 03:46.07 | scriptdevil | jetscreamer: am sorry... i think i misled Saar |
| 03:46.29 | scriptdevil | well... but wont my command work? |
| 03:47.02 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 03:47.12 | jetscreamer | 'probably' |
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| 03:48.19 | Saar | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ok thanks |
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| 03:49.40 | sco50000 | i've backed up successfully, now how do i resize partitions safely in linux? |
| 03:49.48 | sco50000 | ext3 partitions* |
| 03:49.57 | zinx | try parted? |
| 03:50.13 | jetscreamer | dd! |
| 03:50.17 | amphi | sco50000: backup and restore, IMHO |
| 03:50.31 | zinx | amphi: that's certainly the safest method, if you have good backups |
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| 03:51.41 | amphi | parted seems to work well for people, but I prefer to backup, repartition, and restore |
| 03:52.32 | sco50000 | is it safe to enlarge my / partition? |
| 03:52.50 | jetscreamer | !amphi++ |
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| 03:53.21 | jello | sco50000: use LVM next time :) |
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| 03:53.40 | sco50000 | what's lvm? |
| 03:53.46 | sco50000 | !lvm |
| 03:53.46 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 03:54.44 | jetscreamer | !tell sco50000 -about msg |
| 03:54.50 | jetscreamer | !tell sco50000 -about botabuse |
| 03:54.56 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 03:54.56 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:55.20 | jello | sco50000: it's a way of using logical volumes instead of physical ones |
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| 03:55.59 | jello | the additional layer allows for resizing logical volumes by adding physical ones |
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| 04:04.58 | schultzconsult | Hi, I'm sitting on a new system remote and want to install xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 04:05.21 | abrotman | it's up to -6- |
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| 04:05.51 | schultzconsult | will it boot on almost any amd64 compatibel hardware? |
| 04:06.08 | abrotman | schultzconsult: that's the idea .. |
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| 04:06.27 | anom01y | hmm is there any way I can find out how many mb my video card is ? |
| 04:06.58 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:07.29 | TwistedGenius | anom01y: what brand? |
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| 04:07.53 | Nyle | do lscpi and see what it is |
| 04:07.54 | anom01y | its nvidia |
| 04:07.56 | Nyle | then google it |
| 04:08.18 | TwistedGenius | i think nvclock can do it |
| 04:08.19 | anom01y | it comes in different sizes |
| 04:08.32 | Nyle | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900 XT] (Primary) |
| 04:08.35 | Nyle | this is my output |
| 04:08.36 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:08.42 | Nyle | nvidia isn't as different |
| 04:08.49 | Nyle | you will find what yo have, and then you just google it |
| 04:08.59 | Nyle | or you can look in the log file of X |
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| 04:09.11 | anom01y | TwistedGenius: thanks |
| 04:09.33 | TwistedGenius | nvclock -i |
| 04:09.48 | anom01y | cool thanks |
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| 04:25.18 | SQLDb | Is there anything special that needs to be done, other than installing the appropriate kernel, when upgrading from a single-core i686-based proc/mobo to a dual-core amd64? |
| 04:25.31 | SQLDb | (I see 2 cpu's now in /proc/cpuinfo, so, I assume it's all good) |
| 04:25.49 | Nyle | yes it is |
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| 04:26.23 | SQLDb | Nyle: thanks, just wanted to be sure :) |
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| 04:27.29 | vin` | xdr: looked at fail2ban? |
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| 04:31.25 | xdr | vin`: what do you mean= |
| 04:32.26 | vin` | xdr: /lastlog xdr |
| 04:33.17 | xdr | vin`: you mean about DDoS attacks? |
| 04:33.27 | vin` | xdr: yeah dude |
| 04:33.37 | xdr | vin`: will look into it |
| 04:33.49 | xdr | though it's 0532 am atm |
| 04:33.57 | xdr | vin`: thx |
| 04:34.24 | vin` | xdr: then what are you doing reading this? hit the sack quick! |
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| 04:38.25 | SerajewelKS | man there is some nasty memory leak in iceweasel |
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| 04:45.35 | cizzi | when running folding @ home app on linux debian.. on a multi-core cpu, i notice it takes turns on which core it runs on.. every 15 mins or so it rotates.. pretty neat, is that a feature of the app or the kernel? |
| 04:45.58 | SerajewelKS | what's folding @ home? |
| 04:46.12 | cizzi | its a research program |
| 04:46.15 | wols | SerajewelKS: see BOINC or similar distributed computing |
| 04:46.15 | cizzi | from stanford university |
| 04:46.16 | Ryan52 | When I was watching somebody program this week, I noticed he had a program on his computer that told him when he should rest. Does anybody know what that package would be called? |
| 04:46.17 | cizzi | on diseases |
| 04:46.27 | SerajewelKS | wols: i figured it was something distributed |
| 04:46.46 | SerajewelKS | Ryan52: if you need your computer to tell you when to rest, something is wrong with you :) |
| 04:47.00 | SerajewelKS | cizzi: anyway, i'm going to guess it's a feature of the program |
| 04:47.15 | Ryan52 | Its so you don't type for long periods of time without taking a break. |
| 04:47.24 | cizzi | SerajewelKS - yeah... im monitring my core temperature readings so its good it takes turns, it cools them down |
| 04:47.29 | SerajewelKS | cizzi: when i'm running something CPU-heavy, the kernel seems to juggle it between CPUs many times per second |
| 04:47.59 | Ryan52 | When I start programming I ususally don't stop untill I'm done...which sometimes takes hours. and now It's starting to hurt. |
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| 04:48.09 | SerajewelKS | cizzi: just kidding |
| 04:48.15 | SerajewelKS | cizzi: maybe it is the kernel.. |
| 04:49.03 | SerajewelKS | cizzi: the affinity on WoW.exe hasn't been changed from its default of either core, and it seems to be running on the second core |
| 04:49.27 | SerajewelKS | maybe i don't give the kernel hackers enough credit :) |
| 04:50.16 | jello | Ryan52: apt-get install leave |
| 04:50.39 | SerajewelKS | now if only the kernel were as smart about swap |
| 04:50.58 | jello | !info leave |
| 04:51.01 | dpkg | leave: (Reminds you when you have to leave), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.12-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 04:51.12 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 04:52.57 | theatro | Ryan52, also xwrits |
| 04:53.59 | Ryan52 | that's what he was using |
| 04:54.01 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 04:59.51 | lucas__ | hello, gnome is displaying truetype fonts correctly, but any other aplication, like Eterm, not |
| 04:59.59 | lucas__ | im using debian lenny |
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| 05:17.42 | jonas21 | hi all, i'm having some trouble here; starting vim is very slow, strace shows to the loopback device for some reason |
| 05:17.50 | jonas21 | anyone have any idea why this might be? |
| 05:18.07 | penilsodarvader | PART |
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| 05:19.52 | jonas21 | hmm.. |
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| 05:20.09 | LimCore | 500 mb used for SLAB.. isnt that a bit much??? on a 4 GB web server. how to free some of it btw? |
| 05:20.43 | se7enHOME | anyone a opinion to sidux ... |
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| 05:25.16 | kanzure | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:25.57 | corporeal | anyone here have experience using unionfs? |
| 05:27.38 | screamingbytes | which one is debians version again? adduser or useradd? |
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| 05:29.38 | sco50000 | screamingbytes: why don't you just check? |
| 05:29.42 | asg | screamingbytes: they both are available |
| 05:30.10 | wols | kanzure: how is the portforwarding of your router a debian problem? |
| 05:30.28 | kanzure | wols: well, I figured the debian wizards might tell me it's a problem with my local config |
| 05:30.38 | wols | it's a router problem only |
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| 05:31.08 | johndoe09 | hi |
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| 05:31.48 | johndoe09 | i have plugged a hard disk 250gb in my debian 4.0 box, and in dmesg result it is in /dev/hdb ,now how can i format that /dev/hdb? |
| 05:31.56 | screamingbytes | check where sc050000: :) i can't remember where i read it |
| 05:32.04 | lucas__ | hello, im using lenny and gnome display truetype fonts correctly, but any other application display incorrectly |
| 05:32.19 | asg | screamingbytes: man useradd ; man adduser |
| 05:32.23 | screamingbytes | asg: yes, they are both in the distribution, but one is prefered over the other for some (forgotem by me) reason |
| 05:32.29 | wols | johndoe09: you partitin it first |
| 05:32.31 | sco50000 | screamingbytes: try "which useradd" and "which adduser" |
| 05:32.38 | xuser | when running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' the scripts closes and saves after the keyboard configuration, any ideas? |
| 05:32.53 | wols | xuser: -plow |
| 05:32.55 | johndoe09 | wols, how can i partition it? what command? |
| 05:32.59 | lucas__ | hello, im using lenny and gnome display truetype fonts correctly, but any other application display incorrectly, sorry my english |
| 05:33.12 | wols | johndoe09: gparted for example |
| 05:33.15 | xuser | wols: huh? |
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| 05:33.27 | asg | screamingbytes: adduser has more intelligence but they both do the same thing |
| 05:33.41 | wols | xuser: man dpkg-reconfigur |
| 05:33.44 | wols | xuser: man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 05:34.31 | xuser | wols: i used -plow, same thing |
| 05:34.35 | johndoe09 | wols: will that gparted if im on ssh connection? im accessing it remotely |
| 05:34.46 | wols | johndoe09: cfdisk |
| 05:35.11 | johndoe09 | k |
| 05:35.34 | asg | screamingbytes: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2 (first hit for google 'adduser or useradd debian') |
| 05:36.05 | sco50000 | i had grub installed on the MBR but i replaced with something else. i'm booted into windows because Debian won't boot, i need to reinstall GRUB on the debian partition. how do i do this from windows? i have write access to the debian partition |
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| 05:36.51 | screamingbytes | i think i found it, its the adduser suite of tools, they enforce debian policies |
| 05:36.56 | lucas__ | hello, im using lenny and gnome display truetype fonts correctly, but any other application display incorrectly...anyone knows what my problem is? |
| 05:36.57 | wols | sco50000: can't |
| 05:37.16 | johndoe09 | wols: do i have to create swap for that hard disk or not? this hard disk will be used for data only,just slave hard disk so data files will be thrown there |
| 05:37.19 | sco50000 | wols, can i from a live cd? |
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| 05:37.25 | wols | johndoe09: no |
| 05:37.27 | wols | sco50000: yes |
| 05:37.31 | sco50000 | good |
| 05:38.18 | xuser | is there something besides dpkg-reconfigure to configure X? |
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| 05:38.44 | johndoe09 | k |
| 05:38.44 | screamingbytes | asg: yessir, that supports what i just read, i had a note about it in my doc dir that i grep'd for and suprisingly it was still there :) |
| 05:38.49 | screamingbytes | asg: ty |
| 05:38.50 | wols | !wayttd xuser |
| 05:38.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, xuser? |
| 05:39.06 | lucas__ | for example: Eterm -F -*-arial-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*.... display it with wide space between characters...sorry my english |
| 05:39.23 | xuser | wols: configure X |
| 05:39.38 | wols | *sigh* |
| 05:40.01 | xuser | there is no xorgconfig in debian |
| 05:40.32 | xuser | and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg closes after keyboard config, doesn't ask me more |
| 05:40.51 | lucas__ | but what do you want to configure? |
| 05:40.52 | wols | what do you want to get asked? |
| 05:41.15 | wols | I ask you all the time and your answers are... <censored> |
| 05:41.30 | xuser | wols: about video, mouse, etc... |
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| 05:41.57 | johndoe09 | wols: does this have to be extended partition or primary? |
| 05:42.06 | wols | johndoe09: irrelevant |
| 05:42.10 | johndoe09 | i wanted to format this as just one partition |
| 05:42.28 | xuser | lucas__: all X |
| 05:42.36 | johndoe09 | if i choose primary will it create a mess with my first hard disk where the main os is installed? |
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| 05:43.01 | wols | johndoe09: what part of "irrelevant" is unclear? |
| 05:43.05 | lucas__ | :P |
| 05:43.32 | lucas__ | lenny stable :D:D:D:D |
| 05:43.39 | wols | lucas__: no |
| 05:43.42 | johndoe09 | wols: im sorry im not fluent in engish..just an asian trying hard to understand your language |
| 05:43.47 | lucas__ | :((( |
| 05:43.49 | johndoe09 | anyways i understand it doesnt matter |
| 05:43.55 | wols | johndoe09: I'm no english speaker either |
| 05:44.05 | wols | native that is |
| 05:44.47 | johndoe09 | ok |
| 05:45.02 | lucas__ | wols: can you help me with my ttf please :) |
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| 05:45.11 | lucas__ | ttf font |
| 05:45.14 | wols | no |
| 05:45.21 | lucas__ | ok |
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| 05:46.36 | sco50000 | wols: i'm on a live cd now |
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| 05:48.53 | wols | mount the hdd, bind mount /proc on the hdd and chroot to it |
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| 05:49.55 | johndoe09 | i have a directory at /var/spool/blahblah with 60gb files in it ,and i have mounted a newhardisk at /mnt/newhd ,what is the fastest program to copy that directory to my /mnt/newhd ? |
| 05:50.53 | wols | johndoe09: cp -a |
| 05:51.15 | johndoe09 | ok wols |
| 05:51.40 | johndoe09 | wols: i have done mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb . next do i have to do tune2fs? |
| 05:52.44 | xsdg | in sid, why does the version of libgcc1 not match an available version of gcc? |
| 05:52.48 | moshii | Is it just me or are the stats/graphs generated by munin totally crap.. like it's reading x million hits per second on my webservers and 630 million volts from the -12 supply,.. :/ |
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| 05:54.12 | wols | johndoe09: that was wrong |
| 05:54.33 | wols | you don't make a filesystem on a disk, you make one on a partition. now you can repartition. have fun |
| 05:54.48 | sco50000 | wols: how do i find out the root password of this kubuntu live cd? |
| 05:54.48 | johndoe09 | what do you mean? im sorry |
| 05:55.03 | xsdg | sco50000: there isn't one; you should try #ubuntu |
| 05:55.12 | wols | xuser: you know what you just said? when sid breaks you get to keep the parts. both of them |
| 05:55.31 | wols | sco50000: #kubuntu. but a hint: it has no root password |
| 05:55.52 | wols | xsdg: you know what you just said? when sid breaks you get to keep the parts. both of them |
| 05:56.15 | xsdg | wols: I saw it the first time. You could just say "I don't know" or "it might be broken" |
| 05:56.50 | wols | xsdg: someone who complains in here about sid brokenness should be KICKED back to stable |
| 05:57.42 | xsdg | wols: my question was simple, though perhaps I should have prefixed it with "does anyone know" |
| 05:57.59 | xsdg | wols: keep in mind that I have no evidence that anything is broken; I only know that the versions don't match |
| 05:58.01 | wols | !anyone |
| 05:58.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:58.21 | wols | dpkg -l is an awesome command |
| 05:58.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching is an awesome command |
| 05:59.16 | xsdg | wols: I don't see your point. `apt-cache policy <package>` is more useful anyway |
| 05:59.25 | sco50000 | ok wols, i have my debian partition mounted, what now? |
| 05:59.57 | sco50000 | what does bind mount /proc mean? |
| 06:00.12 | sco50000 | mount --bind /proc /debian /proc? |
| 06:00.22 | wols | chroot to it, bind mount /proc to under it first of course |
| 06:00.26 | wols | then grub-install again |
| 06:00.26 | xsdg | sco50000: it makes it possible for it to be mounted in more than one place |
| 06:00.34 | xsdg | (rather than having mount complain that it's already mounted) |
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| 06:01.35 | se7enHOME | anyone an opinion to sidux ... |
| 06:01.46 | moshii | xsdg: never had that issue with proc.. |
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| 06:02.12 | sco50000 | wols: dpkg says to bind mount dev into the mounted partition |
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| 06:02.52 | wols | then do it |
| 06:02.55 | sco50000 | ok |
| 06:03.23 | moshii | you can mount proc once you're chrooted too :/ |
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| 06:04.23 | xsdg | moshii: I was slightly mistaken, it duplicates the mount (presumably so you don't have to know how the original is mounted) |
| 06:04.53 | sco50000 | so if i want to install grub to /dev/hdb1 i "install-grub /dev/hdb1 && update-grub" or do i just put /dev/hdb? |
| 06:05.12 | lucas__ | how can i make to application display truetype font correctly, and not wth wide space between characters? |
| 06:05.12 | moshii | read the documentation |
| 06:05.18 | wols | there is no "install-grub" |
| 06:05.31 | sco50000 | err, grub-install |
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| 06:08.39 | sco50000 | hmm, /dev is empty |
| 06:09.46 | xsdg | sco50000: presumably that's because you're using udev |
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| 06:09.58 | LimCore | I have root on my server, how to restore (or reset) the MySql root account password? |
| 06:10.30 | sco50000 | xsdg: "mount" shows me udev on /dev so what should i do? |
| 06:10.35 | xsdg | sco50000: what does /proc/mounts say regarding /dev and /debian/dev? |
| 06:11.06 | xsdg | LimCore: I would imagine `su mysql`, then run the command to change passwords |
| 06:11.14 | xsdg | LimCore: don't know, though, as I've never used mysql |
| 06:11.31 | sco50000 | xsdg: udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 |
| 06:11.37 | moshii | LimCore: google |
| 06:11.46 | moshii | LimCore: mysql lost root password |
| 06:11.52 | LimCore | xsdg: no. |
| 06:12.10 | LimCore | moshii: heay I found --skip-grant-tables based solution... will it 100% work? no margin for error here :/ |
| 06:12.11 | moshii | life is so much easier if you use commonsense |
| 06:12.15 | xsdg | sco50000: did you do the bind mount thing? if so, what command did you use? |
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| 06:12.31 | moshii | LimCore: you could use the debian-sysmaint account to fix it equally |
| 06:12.37 | sco50000 | mount --bind /dev /debian/dev |
| 06:12.55 | xsdg | sco50000: ok. is /debian/dev mentioned in /proc/mounts? |
| 06:13.00 | sco50000 | no |
| 06:13.06 | xsdg | hmm |
| 06:13.07 | xsdg | sec |
| 06:13.10 | Vic | Hello, how can .chm ebooks be opened in Debian? |
| 06:13.13 | moshii | LimCore: look for the debian conf file in the mysql part of /etc and uses the username/password there to long in and fix the root password |
| 06:13.17 | LimCore | moshii: that is the mysql account name? and passwd? Access denied for user 'debian-sysmaint'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 06:13.31 | xsdg | sco50000: it works here |
| 06:13.45 | xsdg | sco50000: maybe try typing it and running it again? |
| 06:13.50 | sco50000 | ok |
| 06:13.51 | LimCore | ok I found the passwd in /etc/mysql/debian.cn |
| 06:13.57 | moshii | LimCore: you need the automagically generate password, which is in the file I said. ;) |
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| 06:16.21 | sco50000 | xsdg: hmm, it's not empty, but when i ls the files aren't coloured :/ |
| 06:16.40 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me how to make rsync use ssh in a specific port? i try hostname:port/path and --port but it keeps trying 22! |
| 06:16.59 | sco50000 | xsdg: they aren't showing up as devices, just files |
| 06:17.07 | xsdg | sco50000: weird |
| 06:17.12 | xsdg | sco50000: what does /proc/mounts say? |
| 06:17.54 | moshii | DawnLight: that switch probably refers to the rsync daemon port opposed to the ssh one |
| 06:17.58 | sco50000 | udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 |
| 06:18.59 | xsdg | DawnLight: use -e to specify ssh with arguments |
| 06:18.59 | sco50000 | xsdg: if i mount /dev then it's empty |
| 06:19.12 | xsdg | DawnLight: look for the second occurrence of "RSYNC_RSH" in the rsync manpage |
| 06:19.36 | xsdg | sco50000: does /proc/mounts mention /debian/dev? |
| 06:19.57 | sco50000 | xsdg: not at all |
| 06:20.06 | xsdg | sco50000: weird |
| 06:20.24 | sco50000 | xsdg: this is correct? sudo mount --bind /dev /debian/dev |
| 06:20.39 | xsdg | sco50000: maybe try umount'ing /debian/dev, then mv it out of the way and mkdir a new one |
| 06:20.54 | xsdg | sco50000: are you not root in the first place? |
| 06:21.10 | sco50000 | xsdg: umount: it seems /debian/dev is mounted multiple times |
| 06:21.31 | xsdg | sco50000: umount -f |
| 06:21.40 | sco50000 | xsdg: i just forgot to sudo |
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| 06:21.59 | xsdg | sco50000: for mount? or when? |
| 06:22.02 | akjmicro | higuys |
| 06:22.05 | sco50000 | for umount |
| 06:22.12 | xsdg | aah, ok |
| 06:22.49 | akjmicro | I have a question |
| 06:23.02 | simonrvn | just ask |
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| 06:23.15 | akjmicro | coming from slack/zenwalk, and pulling my hair out from the awful packaging system |
| 06:23.27 | akjmicro | how easy is it to get compiz up in debian? |
| 06:23.47 | akjmicro | is there a lot of manual adjusting/editing required, or does it 'just work' |
| 06:24.26 | akjmicro | it's not happening on zenwalk for me--i like it, but i'm ready for tons of packages without headaches |
| 06:26.04 | xsdg | akjmicro: I know a couple folks who have it running, and none have complained about lots of pain getting it running. That's merely anecdotal evidence, though -- I can't say anything for certain |
| 06:27.33 | akjmicro | hmmm...still looking for that sweet spot distro that allows tinkering, and is slim and fast, but is beautiful and easy out of the box. |
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| 06:28.01 | akjmicro | debian is certainly attractive for packages, but does it perform well compared to slackware? |
| 06:28.05 | Aces1up | if i have a minimal install, what packages do i need to set up a webserver with cgi ebabled? |
| 06:28.07 | xsdg | akjmicro: debian is that for my purposes. I'm probably more obsessive than most, though |
| 06:28.17 | xsdg | akjmicro: never used slack, though |
| 06:28.27 | Nyle | xsdg: hey! |
| 06:28.30 | xsdg | Aces1up: do you have a webserver in mind? |
| 06:28.32 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:28.33 | xsdg | Nyle: hey |
| 06:28.49 | xsdg | Aces1up: alternately, is there any reason apache2 isn't ok? :o) |
| 06:28.52 | Aces1up | hrmm, i dunno, what do you suggest.. just using it to run CGI:irc. |
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| 06:29.00 | g-d | akjmicro: what do you mean with "perform"? |
| 06:29.19 | g-d | does slackware perform better than, for instance, rhel? |
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| 06:29.23 | g-d | or ubuntu? |
| 06:29.28 | g-d | or whatever other linux distro? |
| 06:29.36 | simonrvn | xsdg, Nyle: hello |
| 06:29.41 | xsdg | simonrvn: moo :o) |
| 06:29.42 | akjmicro | hmm...hi g-d |
| 06:29.50 | g-d | hi akjmicro |
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| 06:29.58 | akjmicro | I mean that it feels faster than everything I've tried so far |
| 06:30.01 | xsdg | Aces1up: well, you could just install apache2 and apache2-utils |
| 06:30.25 | Aces1up | that will set up the web server? |
| 06:30.27 | simonrvn | ugh. emotionally and physically exhausted |
| 06:30.32 | xsdg | simonrvn: :o( |
| 06:30.35 | Aces1up | where can i get some docs on how to use it? |
| 06:30.37 | g-d | akjmicro: how "fast" your linux environment has to do with how you configure it, not what distribution you run |
| 06:30.45 | xsdg | Aces1up: apache.org |
| 06:30.50 | akjmicro | and that would be ubuntu, mepis, gentoo (although gentoo might indeed have been faster) suse mandrive, rh, etc. |
| 06:30.50 | xsdg | Aces1up: or install apache2-doc |
| 06:31.14 | sco50000 | wols: i get this from grub-install: /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 06:31.22 | akjmicro | well, I guess I don't want it to be slow out of the box |
| 06:31.40 | g-d | akjmicro: which distro is slow out of the box? |
| 06:31.43 | akjmicro | it would be nice to just start going with a zippy environment right from the get go |
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| 06:31.56 | akjmicro | and some distros 'bloat things up' |
| 06:32.00 | g-d | akjmicro: rhel offers that. so does debian and ubuntu server |
| 06:32.23 | simonrvn | xsdg: up since 9. went to a friend's wake, came back, then went to a conference. tireded |
| 06:32.24 | akjmicro | ubuntu, at least on my laptop--it gave an error of a floopy drive, and i don't have a floppy! |
| 06:32.32 | akjmicro | and it took FOREVER to boot |
| 06:32.42 | g-d | akjmicro: so does slackware. it installs lots of programs that I don't need |
| 06:32.46 | g-d | and libraries |
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| 06:32.51 | g-d | and it does this out of the box |
| 06:32.56 | akjmicro | true, which is why i use zenwalk |
| 06:32.59 | xsdg | simonrvn: my condolences |
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| 06:33.08 | Aces1up | xsdg hrmm i set the minimal install to grab a web server from the mirror during this installation.. does that install apache or some other web server do you know? |
| 06:33.14 | simonrvn | xsdg: thank you |
| 06:33.22 | g-d | akjmicro: for how long have you been using linux? |
| 06:33.25 | xsdg | Aces1up: likely apache |
| 06:33.31 | Aces1up | cool. |
| 06:33.32 | Aces1up | thank. |
| 06:33.34 | akjmicro | since 1997---I'm an old veteran |
| 06:33.35 | xsdg | Aces1up: does `ps ax | grep apache` show anything? |
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| 06:33.51 | Aces1up | i will let you know, its still installing. |
| 06:33.54 | akjmicro | well I'm 38 years old Saturday |
| 06:33.54 | sco50000 | can i get a terminal from the non-live debian disk? |
| 06:33.55 | xsdg | cool |
| 06:34.02 | xsdg | sco50000: yup |
| 06:34.11 | g-d | akjmicro: what do you think about the linux kernel then? isn't it more bloated than any distro in itself? |
| 06:34.17 | sco50000 | ok, i'll try that |
| 06:34.18 | xsdg | sco50000: the normal installer has a terminal on VT2 |
| 06:34.22 | akjmicro | i started with Slack, bounced around, and always came back to it. |
| 06:34.41 | sco50000 | xsdg: and will there be screen and irc? |
| 06:34.42 | wols | sco50000: /boot/grub/device.map doesn't have a sdb entry |
| 06:34.49 | akjmicro | Yes, i think the kernel is getting a bit big, but then again, there are so manytechnologies around...the trick I suppose is to modularize |
| 06:34.50 | xsdg | sco50000: nope :o) |
| 06:35.12 | g-d | akjmicro: exactly, but I mean... I don't need most of those technologies |
| 06:35.23 | wols | sco50000: you can rescue boot from the install cd usually |
| 06:35.24 | xsdg | sco50000: you should be able to install a telnet installer component, though (or ssh) |
| 06:35.28 | akjmicro | I should say I always came back to slack or it's cousins |
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| 06:35.36 | wols | and thne you have whatever your debian install has. like screen and irssi |
| 06:35.45 | xsdg | sco50000: of course, you probably don't want to talk IRC protocol :oP |
| 06:35.53 | simonrvn | akjmicro: heh, just 3 years older than me. happy birthday. my friend that passed away, she would've had a birthday party this coming saturday too :( |
| 06:35.54 | akjmicro | yes---I agree, and I always try to cut processes down that i don't really use, too. |
| 06:36.05 | akjmicro | my condolences |
| 06:36.35 | sco50000 | xsdg: i've done that before but kept getting kicked for not ponging the server |
| 06:36.43 | simonrvn | thanks. gonna make me cry all over again (it's ok, good to let it out) |
| 06:36.55 | g-d | akjmicro: the point I'm trying to make is that not everyone has the time for ultra slim distributions out of the box. for instance at work running Archlinux (which is a REALLY light-weight distro that I run on my own computers) would be a disaster. we simply couldn't do that. we're bound with RHEL for lots of reasons |
| 06:37.04 | Nyle | simonrvn |
| 06:37.06 | xsdg | sco50000: yeah, whenever I try to actually use it, I always miss the PINGs :o) |
| 06:37.24 | akjmicro | so...my big question...is everyone happy with debian, and is it everything you've been looking for? speed? packages? are you productive? |
| 06:37.34 | akjmicro | sorry, what is RHEL? |
| 06:37.51 | sco50000 | akjmicro: Red Hat Enterprise Linux |
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| 06:37.52 | xsdg | akjmicro: RH enterprise linux |
| 06:37.55 | akjmicro | g-d i agree |
| 06:38.00 | g-d | akjmicro: it just takes too much time upgrading 5000 systems where you have to manually compile things, and when there are close to no routines for automatization of admin work |
| 06:38.00 | akjmicro | ah-I see... |
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| 06:38.15 | akjmicro | you use that b/c it is set up well? |
| 06:38.36 | akjmicro | right---so why not debian instead of rhel? |
| 06:38.49 | akjmicro | commercial packages? |
| 06:38.55 | g-d | akjmicro: because debian has no support |
| 06:39.03 | g-d | akjmicro: our database providers do not support debian |
| 06:39.06 | simonrvn | because debian doesn't do corporate contracts of that sort |
| 06:39.11 | g-d | yeah |
| 06:39.26 | g-d | personally I would go with debian over rhel |
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| 06:39.32 | g-d | if the choice was up to me |
| 06:39.34 | simonrvn | rhel is the microsoft of the linux world |
| 06:39.38 | g-d | debian IS way superior |
| 06:39.51 | g-d | but rhel is really good to, for corporate use |
| 06:40.03 | g-d | it can be made really small, secure and optimized |
| 06:40.16 | simonrvn | (btw, that wasn't meant as compliment ;) |
| 06:40.22 | g-d | one of the most secure systems that I run, for a financial company, is actually RHEL |
| 06:40.38 | g-d | linux is still linux... |
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| 06:41.09 | simonrvn | the kernel as it comes out of kernel.org folks, yes |
| 06:41.09 | akjmicro | do you find that on a given machine, some distros just feel more bloated and slow, though? |
| 06:41.21 | akjmicro | and what do you feel about ubuntu vs debain? |
| 06:41.32 | akjmicro | sorry debian |
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| 06:42.05 | akjmicro | i hate rpms, so i would never go with RHL or a derivitive |
| 06:42.09 | simonrvn | ubuntu is ok if you like handholding. i could say anything about their server version |
| 06:42.47 | simonrvn | debian i run as desktop and server |
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| 06:42.57 | g-d | akjmicro: that completely depends on the admin at work. and also, on server distributions there is hardly any difference. RHEL runs just as fast as slackware on my servers. there is no difference at all |
| 06:43.11 | g-d | i don't like ubuntu too much |
| 06:43.14 | g-d | i'm more pro-debian |
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| 06:43.28 | g-d | BUT, if you wan't the latest packages for your desktop, then perhaps ubuntu is nice |
| 06:43.42 | g-d | albeit personally I prefer archlinux |
| 06:44.09 | simonrvn | i don't have time to build my systems up from scratch |
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| 06:45.10 | akjmicro | I'm a musician, and although I love scripting, programming, and configuring, I like to know that i can get shit done. You know, having packages just work...so a part of me like that whole Slack, arch thing, but I need to find a happy medium where I won't get sucked into setting stuff up, and just be working at cranking out my music. |
| 06:45.33 | g-d | debian is probably what you're looking for then |
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| 06:45.47 | g-d | it's light-weight, follows standards and stable |
| 06:45.52 | akjmicro | hey vicky |
| 06:46.08 | g-d | and there are lots of people involved in the project |
| 06:46.15 | akjmicro | so g-d, what distros do you have experience using |
| 06:46.58 | akjmicro | and what about this talk of the increasing bickering and lack of direction among the debian crowd 9too much democracy, etc.) |
| 06:47.39 | g-d | akjmicro: slackware, debian, ubuntu, suse, rhel, older redhats, fedora, archlinux, crux, linux from scratch and suse |
| 06:47.42 | g-d | I think |
| 06:47.48 | SQLDb | anyone know of a tool that's similar to gnome-system-monitor that.... works? :P (Mine won't start, looks like there's a relevant bug filed) |
| 06:48.21 | xsdg | SQLDb: *cough* top *cough* |
| 06:48.24 | akjmicro | and so you've come to love debian most as a daily desktop system, eh? |
| 06:48.41 | corporeal | anyone here use funionfs? |
| 06:49.13 | SQLDb | xsdg: heh, top's alright, on a multiple-cpu box, it's not quite like gsm |
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| 06:49.20 | akjmicro | holy smokes, look at the time--i must get to bed....thanks for the chat, all |
| 06:49.21 | xsdg | SQLDb: hit "1" |
| 06:49.25 | g-d | akjmicro: nah, archlinux =) |
| 06:49.25 | akjmicro | bye |
| 06:49.29 | xsdg | akjmicro: see ya |
| 06:49.29 | g-d | akjmicro: good night =) |
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| 06:49.35 | Rat409 | SQLDb htops good too |
| 06:49.50 | SQLDb | Rat409: aha! thanks! :) |
| 06:49.53 | xsdg | Rat409: package? |
| 06:50.03 | SQLDb | xsdg: oooh! Perfect! |
| 06:50.09 | Rat409 | s.b. i'm running sid here |
| 06:50.27 | xsdg | SQLDb: yeah, it took me a little while to find that myself |
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| 06:51.08 | SQLDb | Heh, I've been using debian since bo was hot, never had to deal with multiple CPU's till now |
| 06:51.25 | SQLDb | (Fake multiple CPU's, but, multiple nonetheless) |
| 06:51.48 | xsdg | SQLDb: it's useful to look through the top manpage; it has a lot of useful features (such as saving options so you don't have to hit "1" every time -- I just discovered that a few months ago as well) |
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| 07:04.49 | sco50000 | hah, the debian non-live cd is better than kubuntu's live cd ever will |
| 07:05.03 | sco50000 | easily reinstalled grub |
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| 07:09.38 | cTATUK | hey, how do you aptitude upgrade all without holding any packages back(including kernel)? |
| 07:09.52 | gynterk | apt-get dist upgrade |
| 07:10.33 | cTATUK | ah thanks |
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| 07:11.03 | gynterk | dist-upgrade i mean |
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| 07:11.06 | gynterk | - between |
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| 07:11.10 | cTATUK | yeah i got that |
| 07:11.15 | Aces1up | whats the easiest way to configure a debian fresh install for manual ip config? |
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| 07:11.53 | gynterk | via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:12.30 | Aces1up | what file do i edit? |
| 07:12.46 | anom01y | anyone here know how to get a sblive to work in debian ? |
| 07:12.46 | gynterk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.59 | anom01y | kmix doesnt seem to control the sblive too well |
| 07:14.42 | sco50000 | lol, my update manager says there are 1337 packcages to download :P |
| 07:14.52 | happla | sco50000: it's a sign |
| 07:14.55 | gynterk | Aces1up, http://pastebin.ca/887339 |
| 07:15.06 | sco50000 | debian made some leet packages and i get to install them |
| 07:15.08 | gynterk | sco50000, screenshot please :D |
| 07:15.11 | sco50000 | ok |
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| 07:15.51 | anom01y | ok, I can hear sound with it, |
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| 07:15.58 | gynterk | sad, pastebin.com is down |
| 07:15.59 | anom01y | but kmix doesnt control the sound for the sblive |
| 07:16.04 | enouf | Aces1up: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 07:16.05 | xsdg | gynterk: rafb.net/paste |
| 07:16.10 | happla | anom01y: Do you have the correct permissions for the devices? |
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| 07:16.38 | xsdg | debhelper: botsnack |
| 07:17.12 | enouf | anom01y: forget kmix, use alsamixer |
| 07:17.36 | gynterk | alsamixer ftw |
| 07:17.45 | gynterk | btw |
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| 07:17.58 | gynterk | is there a command line app to manage network profiles ? |
| 07:18.07 | Aces1up | i'm running debian in a vmware box, it seems to work find in NAT mode, but I want it to work in bridged mode... is there something special i need to configure in debian? |
| 07:18.14 | xsdg | gynterk: you mean other than $EDITOR? no idea |
| 07:18.42 | sco50000 | gynterk: http://sco50000.t35.com/snapshot.png |
| 07:18.57 | dererk | xsdg, debhelper is not that bot :P |
| 07:19.08 | gynterk | xsdg, ye like "blahblah --profile MyHomeConnection --interface eth1" loads new profile and ifdown & ifup that interface |
| 07:19.10 | enouf | heh |
| 07:19.15 | beardy | gynterk: Define "network profiles", but just a few interfaces(5) that you switch between in any automated way you prefer perhaps. |
| 07:19.18 | gynterk | well possible to do in bash thou |
| 07:19.29 | beardy | gynterk: And that is possible just by itself. |
| 07:19.30 | xsdg | dererk: huh? I know the difference between debhelper and dpkg |
| 07:19.32 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 07:19.32 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 07:19.37 | sco50000 | gynterk: did you dee it? |
| 07:19.38 | beardy | Read it. |
| 07:19.43 | sco50000 | s/dee/see/ |
| 07:20.12 | dererk | xsdg, hehe, no, I meant it's not that type of bot :) |
| 07:20.18 | gynterk | lol, nice sco50000 |
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| 07:20.30 | enouf | dpkg what are you? |
| 07:20.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:20.46 | sco50000 | it's cause i'm upgrading from etch to lenny, so there's a lot of packages to download |
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| 07:22.31 | sco50000 | well, i better go get some sleep |
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| 07:23.01 | gynterk | so basically its that mapping thing, yes ? |
| 07:23.29 | gynterk | !blootbot |
| 07:23.29 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 07:23.30 | anom01y | enouf: I can't control the sound from either xmms, or alsamixer, since i've upgraded my card to an sblive |
| 07:23.43 | anom01y | er (not alsamixer, kmix I mean) |
| 07:23.57 | anom01y | just the master volume doesnt work |
| 07:24.27 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 07:24.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 07:25.50 | enouf | love #6 there .. but even funnier is 6a) Make sure speaker minijack is not plugged into mic in, nor line in O.o |
| 07:26.15 | enouf | (though some 5.1/6.1/7.1 work that way .. weird) |
| 07:26.41 | anom01y | enouf: I did everythin in that list |
| 07:27.02 | TwistedGenius | anom01y: maybe compiling alsa-lib might help u |
| 07:27.45 | enouf | anom01y: that doesn't tell us anything |
| 07:28.05 | anom01y | enouf: well I can hear sound |
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| 07:28.19 | xingu | enouf: new-ish realtek's that _support_ 5.1->7.1 tend to also support entirely programmable jacks if you squint closely at the 'doze drivers |
| 07:28.25 | anom01y | but to control the volume, I have to open a mixer, and find "analog front output" |
| 07:28.36 | anom01y | there is no master volume |
| 07:28.42 | anom01y | and xmms volume doesnt work |
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| 07:28.53 | xingu | enouf: folk are starting to make use of this to impedence match headphones by configuring the mic jack as an output |
| 07:28.59 | enouf | xingu: yes, isn't it something done within the wintendo config? |
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| 07:29.08 | xingu | enouf: yep. |
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| 07:29.54 | anom01y | sounds like crazy configurations need to be done |
| 07:29.59 | enouf | xingu: to me mainboard manu are cheaping out :-p, just add a few more jacks, or a breakout cable ffs ;-) |
| 07:30.25 | cstrippie | Hey all: I installed Debian on the recommendation of a friend, but it failed at installing grub, and no matter what I try, I can't get grub to install - any ideas? |
| 07:30.29 | enouf | anom01y: in xmms config/preferences make sure 'default' is set as sound device, not 'hw0:0' or 'hw0:1', etc |
| 07:31.04 | enouf | anom01y: in kcontrol center > sound devices make sure ALSA is selected, not OSS in drop down menu |
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| 07:31.06 | tralala | cstrippie, install lilo |
| 07:31.16 | enouf | heg |
| 07:31.43 | TwistedGenius | cstrippie: u should hav installed grub on mbr |
| 07:32.06 | cstrippie | TwistedGenius: that's what I told it to do - it asked about the XP partition and everything |
| 07:32.16 | anom01y | ahh thanks |
| 07:32.22 | anom01y | that works |
| 07:32.33 | anom01y | well xmms works |
| 07:32.36 | anom01y | but kmix doesnt |
| 07:32.45 | cstrippie | when it failed, I told it to finish the install anyway, but of course it won't boot now. |
| 07:32.46 | enouf | xingu: did an upgrade today (real small, one pkg, pulled in a few others) , noticed the new 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' ;-) (newer libc6 stuff i guess?) |
| 07:32.55 | anom01y | do I even need kmix ? |
| 07:33.03 | enouf | or is that not new, hehe |
| 07:33.10 | enouf | anom01y: no |
| 07:33.14 | enouf | not at all |
| 07:33.28 | anom01y | anything that needs sound has its own volume control |
| 07:33.32 | anom01y | anyway |
| 07:33.36 | anom01y | so yeah I will remove it |
| 07:33.47 | tralala | I use kmix all the time |
| 07:33.50 | anom01y | cool thanks guys |
| 07:33.55 | enouf | anom01y: you have alsa-utils installed? |
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| 07:35.15 | enouf | anom01y: alsa-utils has alsamixer -- if you want gui install alsamixergui, though alsamixer is a nice pretty ncurses interface ;-) |
| 07:35.28 | xingu | my own hda setup is a bit odd, the _volume_ wheel on this notebook is soft-programmed in recent alsa to be the master control; so I leave all the mixers at 100% and regulate the actual listening volume with the physical wheel |
| 07:35.37 | scibot | Anyone know a good way to test an application by simulating less cpu? |
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| 07:35.53 | xingu | once alsa sorted out the routing the gain at the top end at least doubled |
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| 07:36.27 | enouf | xingu: heh, i've heard quite a few poeple whine "in windows the volume is much much louder overall" |
| 07:36.36 | jetscreamer | don't you get noise from topping those out? i find you get a cleaner sound non-maxxed |
| 07:36.42 | xingu | I gather previously the final amp was essentially being left at post-poweron settings prior to the alsa rejig for this codec |
| 07:36.58 | xingu | jetscreamer: nope, clear as a bell; but yes my vaio used to suffer exactly that |
| 07:37.05 | enouf | xingu: in a word -- craptop :-p |
| 07:37.21 | DawnLight | scibot: virtualization perhaps |
| 07:37.23 | xingu | jetscreamer: I think the routing is such that all the soft controls are pre-amp stage and only act to reduce the amp _inputs_ |
| 07:37.47 | enouf | hrm , the kernel alsa-oss stuffs |
| 07:38.24 | enouf | xingu: or maybe the dmix stuff, since it's software mixing and not hardware dsp mixing, like on more expensive cards |
| 07:38.37 | xingu | *nod* |
| 07:38.49 | xingu | who knows, deep alsa voodoo |
| 07:39.05 | enouf | si señor |
| 07:39.06 | xingu | works, that's the main thing |
| 07:39.38 | xingu | my vaio used to clip horribly beyond about 85% gain on any mixer control |
| 07:39.56 | enouf | i'm _real_tired_ though of walking through all the various steps with various sound issues |
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| 07:40.22 | enouf | with various users using all sorts of nonsensical oem infested, secret hardware |
| 07:40.30 | xingu | enouf: just wait until you come across a codec that's _renamed_ its controls between kernel releases |
| 07:40.42 | enouf | omg |
| 07:41.05 | enouf | xingu: here's one, try helping *buntu sort these alsa issues, there's NO alsaconf :-P |
| 07:41.38 | enouf | er *buntu users |
| 07:41.42 | xingu | enouf: the hda ones do that from time to time - when someone figures out routing for yet-another-alc8xx-wiring-oddity |
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| 07:42.18 | xingu | enouf: the default fall-through for alc8xx is rarely correct for any given notebook; once the dmi strings and routing info goes in - it's all change. |
| 07:42.35 | enouf | and then their lspci shows nvidia multimedia and it really uses snd-hda-intel, bleh |
| 07:42.52 | xingu | mcp7x? |
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| 07:43.03 | enouf | yeah. all sorts of weird MCP crap |
| 07:43.12 | xingu | neat |
| 07:43.28 | xingu | and by the time they ask for help they've usually read some google shit and installed a proprietry blob or ten |
| 07:43.44 | enouf | right |
| 07:43.45 | xingu | so first you get to unpick that with them whining "whyyyyyy?" all the way |
| 07:44.06 | enouf | "but i installed alsa sources!" |
| 07:44.25 | xingu | "just do it, you're not as unique as you think you are" |
| 07:44.50 | xingu | aaanyway. |
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| 07:45.35 | enouf | that alsa checklist is a huge help in this channel, it just needs a alsa checklist 2 ;-) |
| 07:45.38 | xingu | enouf: rule of thumb is that - if there's no _specific_ dmi match for your hda codec - then you could be doing better |
| 07:45.59 | xingu | enouf: particularly when it comes to routing and mixer controls |
| 07:46.19 | enouf | see my 'in a word' comment above ;-) |
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| 07:49.26 | enouf | alsa checklist 2 would have the other missing stuff -- a0 the kde kcontrol > sound devices, set to ALSA stuff b) whatever b0rkage Gnome and esd can do (as root "lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd') .. c) the dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base thing d) whatever craptop stuff you can think of .. etc |
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| 07:49.39 | enouf | s/a0/a) |
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| 07:51.07 | Pete_B | hi. How do I copy all files from all subdirectories down from the current location into the current directory please? |
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| 07:51.27 | Aces1up | if my apt wasn't setup during install how do i set it up manually to connect to the repository servers? |
| 07:52.51 | Pete_B | Aces1up: take a look in /etc/apt/sources.list. You can put your repositories in there or in separate files around there. Or use Desktop -> Administration -> Software Properties if you use GNOME. |
| 07:52.58 | cTATUK | Pete cp -R ./ . |
| 07:52.59 | cTATUK | i believe |
| 07:53.11 | Pete_B | cTATUK: thanks |
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| 07:54.39 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 07:54.39 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:54.40 | tralala | Pete_B, you want to "flaten" the directory? |
| 07:55.02 | Pete_B | tralala: yeah |
| 07:55.37 | xingu | Pete_B: if you're trying to copy the files without preserving the paths/directories, probably find /dir -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -I{} cp -a {} /dir |
| 07:55.43 | xingu | Pete_B: nb, not tested. |
| 07:56.17 | Pete_B | Aces1up: for repositories, take a look at http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-etch.html#repositories |
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| 07:56.38 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 07:56.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 07:56.52 | Pete_B | xingu: I'll have a think about that, thanks |
| 07:57.30 | xingu | Pete_B: ... -I '{}' ... '{}' /dir ... from the examples section it seems |
| 07:57.31 | enouf | what you're doing is a PITA, i know, i've tried it O.o |
| 07:58.44 | enouf | i end up doing/trying crap like cp -a /dir/A/* /dir/A/. |
| 07:58.52 | enouf | followed by |
| 07:59.00 | xingu | Pete_B: obviously if the ... cp ... command ends up getting mangled then it puts your source dir at risk; would suggest you back it up. |
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| 07:59.11 | enouf | cp -a /dir/A/.[^.]* /dir/A/. |
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| 07:59.30 | enouf | (for the hidden dot stuffs) .. nasty |
| 08:00.05 | enouf | forget the /dir/A/ prefixes, that woudn't work, so don't try it |
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| 08:00.33 | xsdg | if there aren't that many files, `find . -type f -exec cp "{}" . \;` seems trivial |
| 08:01.09 | enouf | xingu: i always make copies/backups prior to trying any of those massive mv, cp, whatever ;-) |
| 08:01.44 | enouf | xsdg: you forgot the /dir structures ;-) |
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| 08:01.53 | Pete_B | it's a few thousand photos in directories specific to each day I now want in one directory for each year. correctness is the issue, I don't mind waiting around for it to happen. |
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| 08:01.59 | xsdg | enouf: huh? |
| 08:02.11 | xsdg | enouf: we're flattening a directory structure here |
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| 08:03.00 | xsdg | Pete_B: what I mentioned should work; you can test it with: `find . -type f -exec echo cp "{}" . \;` |
| 08:03.03 | enouf | example, IINM , was basically move all /dir/A/dir/subs + files into /dir/A/dir |
| 08:03.12 | DanHerg | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
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| 08:03.31 | xsdg | Pete_B: (replace `cp` with `ln -s` or `mv` if one is more appropriate) |
| 08:04.43 | Winkie | 'flattening' a directory structure generally means to remove all subdirectories and move every file into the 'root' directory |
| 08:04.49 | xsdg | enouf: moves all the files into the outermost directory |
| 08:04.56 | xsdg | enouf: like flattening an array |
| 08:05.01 | Winkie | also xsdg that find you typed shouldn't work |
| 08:05.05 | Winkie | you'll need to use basename too |
| 08:05.11 | enouf | what about the existing subdirs? |
| 08:05.23 | xsdg | Winkie: huh? |
| 08:05.31 | enouf | Winkie: i was thinking the same thing about that find |
| 08:05.35 | xsdg | Winkie: if you find ., it'll be fine |
| 08:05.40 | enouf | but i don't want to jump the gun |
| 08:05.49 | xsdg | Winkie: if you find elsewhere you might need it |
| 08:06.00 | enouf | that calls /bin/echo which uses spaces as a delimiter |
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| 08:06.13 | enouf | so all it will do is clutter the screen |
| 08:06.16 | xsdg | Winkie: note that the destination is ".", not "./{}" or something like that |
| 08:06.31 | Winkie | xsdg: hmm, in that case i'm not entirely sure :) |
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| 08:06.47 | Winkie | i would be dubious before using it, but yeah . might actually work :p |
| 08:06.48 | xsdg | enouf: err... `echo a b c d e` |
| 08:07.02 | enouf | that's not preserving subdirs either |
| 08:07.07 | enouf | but nm |
| 08:07.17 | xsdg | enouf: preserving subdirs is exactly _not_ the point |
| 08:07.29 | Aces1up | this is the only line in my sources.list file |
| 08:07.30 | Aces1up | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 08:07.33 | xsdg | enouf: the idea behind flattening a directory tree is getting rid of the subdirs, while keeping all the files |
| 08:07.37 | Aces1up | and it says it can't stat any packages. |
| 08:07.38 | Pete_B | I've just tested what xsdg suggested and it works a charm (on my limited test files) to pull everything from subdirs into the current dir |
| 08:07.44 | Aces1up | is there something i'm missing? |
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| 08:08.04 | xsdg | Aces1up: did you do `apt-get update` first? |
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| 08:08.12 | Aces1up | nope. |
| 08:08.24 | enouf | xsdg: example; i have /home/user1/userA and many subs within userA/ .. i want to remove userA as a parent only, so i end up with exactly the same ,m but as /home/userA |
| 08:08.28 | Winkie | Pete_B: well what do you know :o |
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| 08:08.44 | enouf | sorry' |
| 08:08.59 | enouf | i want to remove "user1" as a parent only <-- corrected |
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| 08:09.20 | xsdg | enouf: cd /home/user1; mv * .. |
| 08:09.21 | Aces1up | xsdg thanks that worked. also you saif apache and apache2 for the web packages right? |
| 08:09.49 | enouf | xsdg: i'll have to test it |
| 08:09.53 | xsdg | Aces1up: it should be apache2 (unless you want apache1.3) |
| 08:09.54 | Winkie | xsdg: or mv userA ../ |
| 08:09.57 | Winkie | to be pedantic |
| 08:10.01 | xsdg | Winkie: true |
| 08:10.50 | enouf | mv * will miss dotfiles and dirs |
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| 08:11.17 | xsdg | enouf: it will miss dotfiles; it will not miss directories |
| 08:11.20 | Winkie | mv * won't miss directories |
| 08:11.23 | Winkie | bah damn you ) |
| 08:11.25 | enouf | mv * will miss dotfiles and dotdirs |
| 08:11.26 | Winkie | :) |
| 08:11.28 | enouf | better? |
| 08:11.28 | Winkie | yes |
| 08:11.34 | xdr | should I be proud or sad when I have to explain what IRC is to my gf? |
| 08:11.48 | xsdg | enouf: directories are files, so that statement is equivalent :o) |
| 08:11.49 | Winkie | xdr: depends what she thinks of you :) |
| 08:12.00 | Pete_B | thanks for the flattening help everyone |
| 08:12.03 | xdr | Winkie: we're about to get married |
| 08:12.05 | enouf | xdr: proud |
| 08:12.13 | xsdg | Pete_B: np |
| 08:12.23 | enouf | tell her it's like IM for geeks |
| 08:12.24 | Winkie | xdr: then proud i guess :) |
| 08:12.32 | enouf | tell her it's like group IM for geeks |
| 08:12.33 | xdr | hehe |
| 08:12.39 | Winkie | enouf: are you trying to move everything from /home/user1/whatever to /home/whatever? |
| 08:12.58 | xdr | enouf: that's pretty much my explanation |
| 08:12.58 | Winkie | including /home/user1/.directory to /home/.directory? |
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| 08:13.12 | enouf | yes, but preserving all the subdir that exists now within whatever/ |
| 08:13.27 | enouf | subdir structure |
| 08:13.32 | enouf | and files |
| 08:13.33 | Winkie | cd /home; mv user1/ ./ might do it |
| 08:13.38 | enouf | and dotfiles and dotdirs |
| 08:13.46 | Winkie | i'd hav eto test |
| 08:13.56 | enouf | me too - and i've tried |
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| 08:14.09 | enouf | in the past - and made a nice mess, but that's what copies are for :-P |
| 08:14.24 | Winkie | hmm, the one i suggested won't work |
| 08:14.27 | xsdg | Winkie: that won't work (it's a no-op) |
| 08:14.43 | Winkie | xsdg: yeah, i forget my /s and rules for that |
| 08:14.55 | Winkie | i'm not entirely convinced it can be done in a single command then :o |
| 08:15.12 | enouf | well, you guys are already using 2 stringed to gether :-P |
| 08:15.28 | enouf | make it 4 for all i care ;-) |
| 08:15.38 | xsdg | enouf: cd /home/user1; mv * .* .. |
| 08:15.50 | Winkie | xsdg: won't that iterate upwards? |
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| 08:15.55 | enouf | that won't work, the shell will expand the * |
| 08:16.09 | xsdg | Winkie: no; it'll complain about trying to move . and .., but should work |
| 08:16.10 | enouf | and .* includes .,. |
| 08:16.13 | enouf | and .* includes .. |
| 08:16.23 | Winkie | well i've got to go to work |
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| 08:16.27 | Winkie | but i'll leave it up to you to debate :) |
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| 08:17.02 | xsdg | enouf: see what I just said. I don't see how the shell expanding * is a problem |
| 08:17.02 | enouf | hence my earlier /.[^.]* |
| 08:17.04 | Aces1up | xsdg got the webserver running, where is the default root of the webserver do you know? |
| 08:17.05 | enouf | for hidden stuffs (dotfile/dotdirs) |
| 08:17.10 | xsdg | Aces1up: /var/www |
| 08:17.15 | Aces1up | thanks. |
| 08:17.27 | xsdg | enouf: there's no need to special-case . or .. |
| 08:17.45 | enouf | xsdg: .* includes .. |
| 08:17.49 | xsdg | enouf: mv won't do anything with them, and everything else will work |
| 08:17.58 | enouf | you've tested it? |
| 08:19.13 | enouf | maybe an iteration of mv {*,.[^.]*} .. |
| 08:19.21 | enouf | you've tested it? |
| 08:19.29 | enouf | oh sorry |
| 08:19.36 | xsdg | http://rafb.net/p/Epkbz730.html |
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| 08:19.37 | enouf | thought you re-replied, my bad |
| 08:19.47 | xsdg | enouf: ^^^ |
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| 08:21.20 | enouf | xsdg: heh, all you did was add your $PWD jump/ to your subdir ;-) |
| 08:21.42 | xsdg | enouf: that's all you need to do; it's simple |
| 08:21.59 | enouf | xsdg: you're misunderstanding the problem then |
| 08:22.11 | xsdg | enouf: ok, explain again, please? |
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| 08:23.44 | enouf | xsdg: we want to remove the parent jump/ entirely so you're left with foo/ only, but stll containg what line 21 shows 08:18:41> [xsdg{perl}@~/foo/jump] .. <-- if that were /foo/ then you'd be correct |
| 08:24.28 | enouf | xsdg: Winkle explained the problem nicely |
| 08:24.29 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.57 | enouf | now, imagine whatever/ contains all subdirs and files in your /jump/ |
| 08:25.33 | enouf | so we want to remove user1/ only, so we're left with /home/whatever/ |
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| 08:25.56 | enouf | just remove the parent dir user1/ basically |
| 08:26.10 | enouf | remove, omit, etc |
| 08:26.11 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
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| 08:26.13 | tengulre | hi,all how to known current weekly ? I want to get current weekly date string , like '2008-01-28 ~ 2008-02-03' ? (Bash) |
| 08:26.26 | xsdg | enouf: that's exactly what I did |
| 08:26.38 | xsdg | tengulre: man date |
| 08:26.56 | enouf | xsdg: no, you now not only have /foo/jump, but also now /foo/jump/jump |
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| 08:28.08 | tengulre | xsdg: yes, please detail! |
| 08:28.09 | enouf | you basically added the parent to itself (your $PWD actually) instead of removing it from the heiarchy |
| 08:28.19 | enouf | gah, hierarchy even |
| 08:28.23 | xsdg | enouf: one sec |
| 08:28.33 | enouf | xsdg: no prob, pleas take your time |
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| 08:30.36 | enouf | and small correction --> i said "<-- if that were /foo/ then you'd be correct" .. i meant, "<-- if that were /foo/ and_ there_ was_no_new_dir jump/ within_it ;-) you'd be correct" |
| 08:30.50 | xsdg | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/kD4dlY55.html |
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| 08:31.41 | Aces1up | xsdg is there a good article somewhere on how to run apache on debian? |
| 08:32.01 | Aces1up | because now the webserver isn't running after i reboot. |
| 08:32.13 | moshii | Aces1up: you type aptitude install apache and then read the stuff in /usr/share/doc |
| 08:32.17 | xsdg | Aces1up: it isn't? |
| 08:32.27 | xsdg | Aces1up: `ps ax | grep apache` doesn't say anything? |
| 08:32.48 | moshii | Aces1up: does it tell you something like "apache not enables, edit /etc/default..."? |
| 08:32.54 | xsdg | Aces1up: if apache is installed correctly, it should automatically start on boot (this is configured as part of the install process) |
| 08:33.16 | Aces1up | says 2077 tty1 grep apache |
| 08:33.22 | enouf | xsdg: looking much better ; try this--> $mv foo/user1/* foo/user1/.[^.]* foo/ |
| 08:33.35 | xsdg | Aces1up: so no... weird... |
| 08:33.52 | xsdg | enouf: bash doesn't use regular expressions; it uses globs |
| 08:34.01 | xsdg | enouf: that syntax won't work |
| 08:34.10 | xsdg | enouf: again, avoiding . and .. is not necessary |
| 08:34.11 | enouf | that's not a regex afaik |
| 08:34.23 | enouf | i'll test here |
| 08:34.25 | xsdg | enouf: [^.] will match ^ or . |
| 08:34.25 | moshii | gah, I can't route udp traffic between two boxes in the same data centre, tcp is fine :/ |
| 08:34.34 | xsdg | enouf: globs have no notion of negation |
| 08:34.36 | enouf | not the preceding . |
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| 08:34.42 | enouf | note the preceding . |
| 08:34.56 | Aces1up | i prolly hosed something when i edited the httpd.conf file. |
| 08:34.58 | enouf | you're getting errors for good reason xsdg |
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| 08:35.07 | enouf | mv: cannot move `foo/user1/.' to `foo/.': Device or resource busy mv: cannot move `foo/user1/..' to `foo/..': Device or resource busy |
| 08:35.10 | enouf | those errors |
| 08:35.10 | xsdg | enouf: exactly, so it'll match a ".", followed by either a "." or a "^", followed by any character |
| 08:35.23 | xsdg | enouf: I know. they are non-fatal warnings that you should ignore |
| 08:35.29 | xsdg | they are to be expected |
| 08:35.37 | xsdg | there is no reason to make this more complicated |
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| 08:36.02 | Aces1up | xsdg is there a way to do a fresh install of apache over the installed one so i can just redo everything? |
| 08:36.05 | ganesh | hi everebody |
| 08:36.12 | ganesh | how u doin alll? |
| 08:36.31 | xsdg | Aces1up: first off, did you install apache or apache2? |
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| 08:36.36 | xsdg | ganesh: hey |
| 08:36.44 | Aces1up | xsdg both :) |
| 08:36.52 | ganesh | xsdg: ya |
| 08:36.53 | xsdg | that's probably related |
| 08:36.57 | moshii | Aces1up: you shouldn't need to reinstall stuff |
| 08:37.04 | xsdg | !info apache etch |
| 08:37.21 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 08:37.23 | moshii | Aces1up: infact, reinstalling things just replaces the binaries unless you purge so you essentially do nothing.. |
| 08:37.42 | xsdg | !info apache2 etch |
| 08:37.43 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4+etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 08:37.53 | enouf | and you still need to rmdir foo/ and-> <xsdg> enouf: [^.] will match ^ or . <-- is not what i wrote, i wrote /.[^.]* |
| 08:38.21 | xsdg | Aces1up: try removing apache |
| 08:38.24 | Aces1up | can i just purge the packages and install just the apache then? |
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| 08:38.27 | Aces1up | how? |
| 08:38.27 | enouf | and will ignore any . followed immediately by another . , ie; the parent |
| 08:38.35 | moshii | Aces1up: try dpkg-reconfigure first |
| 08:38.37 | xsdg | enouf: that's not true |
| 08:38.40 | xsdg | enouf: man bash |
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| 08:38.43 | xbaez_ | if my mouse looks bad, it looks like is an error from the xorg but i don't know how can i check the mouse, i cahnge the resolution and my screen is ok but the mouse it looks like in reverse form |
| 08:39.08 | xsdg | Aces1up: I've got to hit the sack; good luck :o) |
| 08:39.09 | moshii | xbaez_: you mean the cursor?? |
| 08:39.09 | enouf | it would grab a file/dir named .^ .. but how rare is that :-P |
| 08:39.23 | Aces1up | xsdg how do i purge packages? |
| 08:39.23 | xsdg | enouf: note that it will also match .. |
| 08:39.37 | enouf | nope, then i'm missing an escape of something xsdg |
| 08:39.40 | xsdg | Aces1up: _ in aptitude; alternately apt-get --purge remove <pkg> |
| 08:39.42 | enouf | s/of/or |
| 08:39.47 | xbaez_ | moshii, right ! the cursor |
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| 08:40.22 | xsdg | enouf: as I said, bash does not understand regular expression. You cannot negate with shell globs |
| 08:40.25 | moshii | xbaez_: it's corrupted? you may have to disable hardware cursor or something. what driver? |
| 08:40.32 | xsdg | enouf: you would learn a lot from reading the bash manpage |
| 08:40.40 | enouf | xsdg: and as i said, that command will work as i wrote it |
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| 08:41.00 | enouf | xsdg: you would too - but i'll prove it, one moment please |
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| 08:41.46 | xbaez_ | moshii, mouse but i already did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver and fixed my resolution but my cursor looks bad |
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| 08:42.41 | moshii | xbaez_: if you have a funky driver you might have to play with the configuration manually. What driver/chipset/debian distro? |
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| 08:43.18 | moshii | xbaez_: is it just the the wrong way around (mirrored?) or a corrupted square looking thing? |
| 08:43.20 | xbaez_ | moshii, ati and debian sid distro |
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| 08:43.39 | moshii | xbaez_: using ati's drivers? |
| 08:43.47 | xbaez_ | nop |
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| 08:44.09 | xbaez_ | i tried but it doesn't work so i reconfigure to a estandard driver |
| 08:44.22 | moshii | I'm not an ati user, So I can't say how good the free drivers are |
| 08:44.37 | enouf | xsdg: http://rafb.net/p/HHQTlo38.html |
| 08:44.41 | moshii | xbaez_: is the cursor totally corrupted? |
| 08:44.59 | xbaez_ | moshii, ok well i will try to configure ati driver |
| 08:45.16 | xbaez_ | moshii, no, just the image is corrupted |
| 08:45.22 | xbaez_ | the cursor image |
| 08:45.59 | enouf | one thing i do conced to, i keep always forgetting mv can take FILE1 FILE2 File3 ... as args |
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| 08:46.05 | enouf | s/concede |
| 08:46.08 | moshii | xbaez_: can you explain what it looks like? |
| 08:47.13 | enouf | all ican say is braces are treated as special chars in bash, perhaps my way is not posix compliant, oh well |
| 08:47.31 | moshii | xbaez_: you may need to change this option Option "SWCursor", "HWCursor" or some other accel feature :/ |
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| 08:49.15 | xbaez_ | moshii, yes it looks like the cursor is in a reverse position i mean the peek is looking to the right side |
| 08:49.22 | xbaez_ | mm i'll check |
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| 08:50.39 | johndoe09 | hi |
| 08:50.43 | johndoe09 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 08:50.45 | johndoe09 | /dev/hda1 71G 68G 226M 100% / |
| 08:50.54 | johndoe09 | why is it 100% use? |
| 08:51.01 | johndoe09 | can somebody help me pls? |
| 08:51.08 | moshii | johndoe09: because you put stuff on it? |
| 08:51.11 | SlayerXP | johndoe09: df -i |
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| 08:53.01 | johndoe09 | http://www.pastebin.ca/887400 <--that is my df -i and df -h |
| 08:53.41 | johndoe09 | i have free 226m and still 100% use now im puzzled |
| 08:53.55 | moshii | that's called rounding |
| 08:54.24 | moshii | the drive is 99.xxxxxxx% full, so it rounds up to 100% |
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| 08:55.30 | johndoe09 | ah ok |
| 08:55.51 | johndoe09 | are you sure moshii ? |
| 08:56.06 | enouf | root's 5% safety net |
| 08:56.41 | debian888 | johndoe09: ext2/ext3 reserves a few %% for the root see man tune2fs |
| 08:56.42 | moshii | enouf: depends what fs/if he set it |
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| 08:56.48 | enouf | johndoe09: do; dumpe2fs -h /dev/hda1 |
| 08:57.54 | gordonjcp | enouf: aha, I didn't know about that one |
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| 08:57.59 | enouf | johndoe09: you should never keep more than 90% anyway for fragmentation and wear reasons |
| 08:58.07 | ganesh | how to enable the smart card reader in debain |
| 08:58.08 | gordonjcp | enouf: more information about your disks than you could ever want to know ;-) |
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| 08:58.25 | enouf | gordonjcp: for the ext FSs yes |
| 08:58.26 | moshii | enouf: that and apt will go up the wall |
| 08:58.33 | enouf | other FSs have similar utils |
| 08:58.49 | enouf | moshii: heh |
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| 08:59.33 | enouf | just don't forget the -h or you'll flood your screen ;-) |
| 09:00.30 | orveldv | is there some trick to lanch X apps after doing "su -" ? I tried exporting DISPLAY but it doesn't seem to work ; I know I could use gksu (or xsu but I can't find it)... |
| 09:00.47 | gordonjcp | enouf: heh, don't say things like that |
| 09:00.55 | gordonjcp | enouf: 'cos you know what'll happen... |
| 09:01.17 | enouf | gordonjcp: when in doubt, pipe to a pager :-P |
| 09:01.18 | gordonjcp | well, that ganesh dude didn't hang around, did he? |
| 09:01.30 | moshii | orveldv: because root doesn't have rights to the display? user sux :) |
| 09:01.40 | moshii | orveldv: s/user/use/ |
| 09:02.09 | orveldv | moshii: thanks, let me see |
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| 09:05.18 | karmatronic | overdub: or export DISPLAY=.0.0 |
| 09:05.31 | karmatronic | orveldv: or export DISPLAY=.0.0 |
| 09:05.50 | orveldv | moshii: yes sux works fine, thanks a lot. I'm still having some trouble figuring out why it doesn't work with "su" or "su -" since I export DISPLAY correctly, but maybe this is because I'm coming from gentoo were it worked and I didn't have to face the problem |
| 09:06.02 | orveldv | karmatronic: ok let me try that too |
| 09:06.02 | enouf | you mean :0.0 i think karmatronic |
| 09:06.49 | karmatronic | enouf: yes |
| 09:07.01 | karmatronic | orveldv: export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 09:07.47 | moshii | orveldv: you need to give root authority to display on your session |
| 09:08.10 | moshii | orveldv: sux automagically takes care of that for you |
| 09:08.15 | enouf | you shouldn't launch X like that anyway |
| 09:08.35 | johndoe09 | ok wait |
| 09:08.47 | enouf | if anything, it's an .Xauthority issue |
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| 09:09.18 | moshii | enouf: exactly :) |
| 09:09.40 | enouf | i think there's a "gksudo" , i know there's a kdesu |
| 09:10.20 | moshii | enouf: I think he wanted to do it from a terminal, which sux does |
| 09:10.37 | enouf | moshii: kdesu does too - so i gues gksudo would |
| 09:10.38 | orveldv | I see, thank you guys ; can someone point me to some info to hack .Xauthority? :) Yep, gksu and kdesu work fine |
| 09:10.42 | orveldv | just a second |
| 09:11.17 | johndoe09 | http://www.pastebin.ca/887413 <-- i edited my /etc/fstab to automatically mount my new hardisk /dev/hdb to /mnt/newhd now what is wrong with my fstab the line that i added is in that /dev/hdb line? |
| 09:11.26 | jelly-home | orveldv: you want to copy over the relevant cookie from your ~/.Xauthority, or make root use the same file |
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| 09:11.50 | johndoe09 | enouf: what do you mean i should never have more than 90%? |
| 09:12.32 | orveldv | this is exactly what I'm doing: I'm connecting as a user via ssh to a box that doesn't allow root logins (ssh -Y so that I can launch X apps, it works) and then su or su - so I can use apps like synaptic |
| 09:12.48 | orveldv | jelly-home: I see, thank you |
| 09:12.56 | moshii | orveldv: why not just use aptitude? |
| 09:13.33 | jusski | johndoe09 The |
| 09:13.33 | jusski | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.36 | karmatronic | orveldv: so my command doesnt make any sense in this case |
| 09:13.37 | jusski | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.38 | orveldv | moshii: yes I should use aptitude more extensively |
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| 09:13.51 | enouf | johndoe09: whenever you see 90% or more under USE% from a df output, start moving files off the drive to elsewhere, to free up space, or just stop adding stuff to it |
| 09:14.17 | orveldv | karmatronic: uhm yeah it seems that just exporting DISPLAY doesn't work, that Xauthority thing is needed |
| 09:14.21 | Erik1 | seems my graphics card gave up. What should i buy ? no games, just watching a dvd and development.. |
| 09:14.24 | jelly-home | orveldv: simplest thing to do would be to export XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority; however xauth has a habit of changing that file ownership |
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| 09:14.49 | Erik1 | Debian should support it well of course |
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| 09:15.22 | SQLDb | Ugh. So, Nvidia's latest drivers, and, amd64 don't mix :( |
| 09:15.36 | orveldv | thanks a lot guys |
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| 09:16.42 | johndoe09 | jusski: do you mean this is the correct syntax? /dev/hdb /mnt/newhd ext3 defaults,errors-remount-ro 0 2 |
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| 09:17.54 | johndoe09 | is that right, jusski ? |
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| 09:19.12 | johndoe09 | btw, if i have edited my /etc/fstab how can i reload it without rebooting? |
| 09:19.44 | moshii | johndoe09: use mount -o remount to change stuff on the fly |
| 09:20.17 | clamiax | Uhm.. i guess the dmesg.boot file has been renamed on Debian. Can you point me to the right file? |
| 09:20.25 | johndoe09 | mount -o gave me error |
| 09:21.21 | johndoe09 | or do you mean? mount -a |
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| 09:23.40 | jetscreamer | man mount |
| 09:23.47 | jetscreamer | you did it wrong |
| 09:24.06 | jetscreamer | but |
| 09:24.24 | jetscreamer | if you unmount it, edit, and remount, there ya go.. not counting / |
| 09:24.48 | jetscreamer | / you would need the -o remount et al |
| 09:24.52 | jetscreamer | !remount |
| 09:25.03 | jetscreamer | owell |
| 09:25.12 | AndjeoSaErekcijo | ./remount :D |
| 09:25.24 | johndoe09 | hehe |
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| 09:27.14 | johndoe09 | omg my apache2 now is i guess not rotating. it's 345mb access.log how can i rotate this every day? this has not rotated for more than |
| 09:27.28 | johndoe09 | for more than 4days |
| 09:27.39 | moshii | johndoe09: check your logrotate config |
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| 09:29.59 | johndoe09 | rotate 52 what does that mean? |
| 09:30.02 | johndoe09 | weekly |
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| 09:31.41 | tengulre | how to get all days in this week? I want get 2008-01-28 2008-01-29 2008-01-30 2008-01-31 2008-02-01 2008-02-02 2008-02-03 ? |
| 09:33.42 | fengor | echo "2008-01-28 2008-01-29 2008-01-30 2008-01-31 2008-02-01 2008-02-02 2008-02-03 |
| 09:33.45 | fengor | " |
| 09:34.04 | fengor | what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:34.48 | oz__ | hello tout le monde les gens |
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| 09:35.48 | fengor | bon soir c'est un channel anglais |
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| 09:38.00 | nocturn | Hi guys |
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| 09:38.40 | sylwae33 | hello all |
| 09:38.55 | nocturn | Do any of you know if/how I can write dokuwiki pages in a frontend? |
| 09:39.11 | nocturn | a bit like OpenOffice save to docbook feature |
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| 09:43.31 | sylwae33 | is it possible modify an iso in order to put this onto pen drive and do a netinstall using wifi ? |
| 09:45.28 | tralala | sylwae33, it is, but it'll be one of the most difficult ways to install debian |
| 09:46.02 | fengor | sylwae33: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2531190 |
| 09:46.22 | fengor | says its supported |
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| 09:46.38 | fengor | id used the visit card image |
| 09:49.27 | sylwae33 | tralala: where can i found documentation in order to do this |
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| 09:50.06 | tralala | sylwae33, I'm not aware of any |
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| 09:50.41 | sylwae33 | tralala: thanks |
| 09:51.08 | sylwae33 | fengor: have you an idea where can i found a documentation in order to to this ? |
| 09:51.27 | tralala | sylwae33, try /msg dpkg custom netinst and /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 09:56.08 | yacc | Any idea how to view http://www.appcelerator.org/index.html with iceweasel? |
| 09:56.26 | yacc | Who had the genius idea to change the UserAgent string for iceweasel? |
| 09:57.24 | ganesh | package for anti virus |
| 09:57.33 | gynterk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:02.27 | Timo^ | Hi. |
| 10:02.58 | Timo^ | how can i check which version of apache the apt sources from lenny has? |
| 10:03.17 | Timo^ | maybe you guys can tell me so i can check there everytime i need something ;) |
| 10:03.27 | Timo^ | latest version of apache is now 2.2.8 |
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| 10:05.14 | BlackMagik | shouldn't installing mysql-server mysql-client and php5-mysql enable it for php? |
| 10:05.47 | gynterk | Timo^, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apache2&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 10:06.22 | gynterk | BlackMagik, apache2 ? |
| 10:06.31 | BlackMagik | yea |
| 10:06.35 | gynterk | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 10:07.30 | BlackMagik | lol i think i forgot to restart apache |
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| 10:24.45 | SerajewelKS | yacc: the user agent was changed because it is a different user agent than firefox |
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| 10:25.03 | SerajewelKS | yacc: complain to the appcelerator folks that they are doing something incredibly stupid |
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| 10:25.49 | SerajewelKS | yacc: they should not be conditionally serving content based on user-agent -- they should serve the same content and allow javascript or some other client-side mechanism to test for the presence of whatever features they need |
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| 10:31.38 | arafangion | Hey, do I have a problem?: sha1sum /dev/dvd |
| 10:31.38 | arafangion | 237846671e66b3634d3a0950cc683dbd325fc0cd /dev/dvd |
| 10:32.01 | streuner_ | yes, ask in a whole sentence |
| 10:32.07 | arafangion | That sha1sum is different to 3e90f506d1a69c011a1494bae6e88c2730377152, so I'm concerned that my burn was not successful. Am I right to be concerned? |
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| 10:32.47 | arafangion | streuner_: Sorry, in phrases I speak. :( |
| 10:33.07 | wols | cut it yoda |
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| 10:34.37 | arafangion | Anyway, if the sha1sum of a dvd is different to the equivalent iso image, does that mean that the burn was not a success? |
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| 10:36.21 | streuner_ | did you verify the iso before? |
| 10:36.38 | arafangion | Yes, and the sha1sum matched that on the debian site. |
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| 10:36.58 | streuner_ | arafangion: so only to install Debian, NIC is supported? |
| 10:37.15 | GhostlyDeath | wtf |
| 10:37.25 | GhostlyDeath | I can run qemulator as root but not a normal user |
| 10:37.30 | arafangion | streuner_: Very unreliable wireless access only, currently, which was why I wanted the DVD. |
| 10:37.33 | GhostlyDeath | "gtk and/or glade is not installed - exiting..." |
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| 10:38.35 | streuner_ | arafangion: hm, you prolly need a few packages not more (in order to compile stuff for wireless) |
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| 10:39.23 | arafangion | streuner_: I believe so, and as I mentioned, that wireless is extremely unreliable. |
| 10:39.51 | arafangion | streuner_: But I have a perfect download of this 4.7GB iso image... |
| 10:40.04 | streuner_ | arafangion: hm, ic |
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| 10:41.41 | arafangion | streuner_: Now, I could actually just keep this on the hdd, and use an old debian installer to use it to install debian, but I really do want to know that the copy is burnt, so that I can choose to delete the iso knowing that I don't have to download 4.7GB again! |
| 10:42.20 | streuner_ | arafangion: i dont know actually the factoid, my alzheimer is to strong |
| 10:42.21 | arafangion | streuner_: Which brings me back to my original question... Is it normal for the sha1sum to differ once burnt? |
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| 10:42.30 | arafangion | streuner_: You have alzheimers? |
| 10:42.39 | streuner_ | just a joke |
| 10:43.03 | streuner_ | there is methode to verify that |
| 10:43.39 | arafangion | Please tell. |
| 10:43.53 | arafangion | Merely booting it is not really a good test. |
| 10:44.54 | streuner_ | md5sum /dev/dvd foo.iso |
| 10:45.43 | arafangion | So, the answer to my original question is "The hash should be the same, so the burn is likely to be incorrect". Thanks for drawing out the simple question. |
| 10:46.22 | streuner_ | yes, if its differs, the burn-process wasnt succesful |
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| 10:46.39 | arafangion | That's all I was asking about. |
| 10:47.56 | arafangion | Sorry, I'm also a bit tired. :( |
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| 10:49.33 | arafangion | Hmm, odd thing is that k3b seems to think that the image is 4.4GB. |
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| 10:50.04 | Trewas | don't debian dvds have some checksum file which includes md5sums of all files in it? |
| 10:50.43 | arafangion | Trewas: Yup, however sha1 is better, and debian provides those in a similar file in the same directory. |
| 10:50.48 | wols | !debsums |
| 10:50.49 | dpkg | it has been said that debsums is a package that will check a packages files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 10:51.10 | arafangion | Oh, for the individual files../ |
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| 10:51.37 | Trewas | arafangion: so before burning again, mount the previously burned dvd and check if the files inside the dvd are ok, using the md5sum.txt in the dvd? |
| 10:52.26 | arafangion | Trewas: That's possible, but a really, really stange, and difficult way to do it. |
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| 10:53.05 | Trewas | what is difficult about that? the checksum file is there for a reason |
| 10:53.33 | biz | I've just installed some apps using Qt, (I'm no KDE user), they look horrible - whats the preferred way to change Qt themes and look? (like switch and switch2 for gtk1 and gtk2 apps) |
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| 10:58.22 | Erik1 | etch R2 installs a lot of stuff I don't need/want automatically. How can I be more picky during an install ? |
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| 11:07.40 | Erik1 | WTF: I install a fresh etch R2 , and at the reboot, it runs to completion (I see gnome loaded) then the screen goes blank, says 'no signal' and goes blind. Before I installed Ubuntu, which went flawlessly... |
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| 11:08.50 | hologram | Erik1: any variation in xorg.conf ? |
| 11:09.21 | Erik1 | hologram: i dunno... |
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| 11:09.32 | Erik1 | I can't see anything no... |
| 11:09.42 | Erik1 | no=now |
| 11:09.47 | hologram | maybe double check the sync/refresh lines to be sure they conform to your monitor specs also the resolution |
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| 11:09.55 | themill | errors in /var/log/xorg.0.log? |
| 11:10.07 | Erik1 | screen is dead... |
| 11:10.12 | hologram | could be attempting a res/setting thats fuzzing your setup |
| 11:10.14 | Erik1 | can't see any logs |
| 11:10.24 | hologram | Erik1: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 11:11.04 | hologram | or ctl-alt-Fn to arrive at another terminal |
| 11:12.34 | StrangeCharm | is there any reason why - even after i've dd'd urandom over the beginning of all my disks, partman would detect, and not allow me to delete raid arrays on them? |
| 11:13.00 | Erik1 | got a terminal now indeed... I'll try the NVIDIA install first now... |
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| 11:14.09 | tralala | Erik1, if you start messing up with the system before identifying the problem, there's a good chance you end up reinstalling again. |
| 11:14.43 | Guerin | StrangeCharm: dd is not a means of nuking an existing filesystem |
| 11:15.06 | StrangeCharm | Guerin: what is a means of nuking existing filesystems? |
| 11:15.31 | tralala | StrangeCharm, highly errosive chemicals |
| 11:15.33 | Guerin | StrangeCharm: there are many. the first step is deleting the partition table. Then you ahve a bunch of options. |
| 11:15.45 | Guerin | depends what length you want to go to |
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| 11:16.18 | themill | Erik1: make sure you do the nvidia installation the debian way |
| 11:16.21 | StrangeCharm | Guerin: i have deleted the partition tables so many times, it doesn't help |
| 11:16.35 | Guerin | StrangeCharm: then proceed to other steps |
| 11:16.39 | StrangeCharm | tralala: yes, but i actually want to *use* the disks |
| 11:16.47 | Guerin | dd is still not a step, unless you nuke the whole device |
| 11:17.39 | tralala | StrangeCharm, in that case use encrypted filesystems. You won't need to ever wipe them out. |
| 11:17.48 | wols | StrangeCharm: IIRC the raid/lvm is configured with some config files in /etc or wherever |
| 11:17.49 | hologram | StrangeCharm: are you talking hardware configured raid array here? |
| 11:18.01 | wols | unless those are cleared, the raid still exists, it's just broken |
| 11:19.02 | StrangeCharm | tralala: i was trying to use encrypted filesystems, but it wouldn't boot. now i'm trying a regular filesystem, and find that i can't even make it |
| 11:19.14 | StrangeCharm | wols: there isn't an os on this machine |
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| 11:20.09 | StrangeCharm | hologram: the disks are connected to a highpoint rocketraid 1540 controller, but they all show up in partman, so i assume that it's not actually a raid controller, just a sata controller pretending |
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| 11:20.46 | hologram | StrangeCharm: and you cant destroy the array in the controller config? |
| 11:20.53 | tralala | StrangeCharm, are you trying to destroy the existing data or merely to clean up the raid for use? |
| 11:21.03 | StrangeCharm | Guerin: that would take a week. i have three 300gb disks and one 320gb disk i delete the partition tables, make new 30gb partitions, make those partitions as physical volumes for raid, go to configure software raid, and there's already a raid array md0_raid5 that contains 3 of the partitions, which i can't delete. when i go back to the main screen, there's what seems to be a 900gb raid array |
| 11:21.57 | Guerin | urandom might take a week |
| 11:22.08 | Guerin | zero would take less (but probably still too long) |
| 11:22.09 | StrangeCharm | hologram: there isn't an array in the controller config, after i saw that the disks were visible, i deleted all the arrays, and left it. there shouln't be any arrays on it now |
| 11:22.37 | StrangeCharm | tralala: i want to make a new soft raid of my choosing using these disks |
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| 11:23.04 | arafangion | There's always the target practice route. |
| 11:23.20 | tralala | StrangeCharm, and the problem is that they don't show up in the installer? |
| 11:24.07 | StrangeCharm | Guerin: i agree that it would be too long |
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| 11:25.01 | StrangeCharm | tralala: no, the problem is that, although they show up in the installer, whenever i try to configure an array on them, the installer configures a very odd one for me, and i can't delete it |
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| 11:25.53 | enouf | you're messing with fakeraid StrangeCharm ? |
| 11:25.54 | StrangeCharm | roboplu is now known as robopl? |
| 11:26.09 | tralala | StrangeCharm, you can't delete it? |
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| 11:27.24 | StrangeCharm | enouf: yes, i'm using a software raid, because the raid-controller add-in card that i'm using doesn't seem to support real hardware raid, otherwise i'd be seeing arrays at a higher abstract level than the disks, right? |
| 11:27.45 | tralala | right |
| 11:27.55 | StrangeCharm | tralala: no, when i try, it tells me that i can't; it might be in use; go away. |
| 11:27.57 | tralala | so which software right are you using? Linux dm? |
| 11:28.38 | StrangeCharm | i'm using partman on the installation disk |
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| 11:29.05 | enouf | StrangeCharm: and is that card's RAID functionality disabled? |
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| 11:31.36 | StrangeCharm | enouf: when i first got to the system, it was running windows, with an array on those four disks, and windows could only see the array, not the disks. i put in the installer, without changing the settings on the card, and the installer could see the individual disks. at that point, i assumed that the card did not know what it was doing with regards to a real raid5, went int it's firmware, deleted the array, and rebooted into the installer |
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| 11:32.59 | enouf | StrangeCharm: change your BIOS settings or Card's utility accordingly , to say no raid |
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| 11:33.28 | StrangeCharm | enouf: i have deleted the array, it now has no arrays on it |
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| 11:33.54 | StrangeCharm | tralala: i'm using partman on the installation disk |
| 11:33.55 | enouf | (unless t enables your mobo AHCI, which i highly doubt for an add in card) |
| 11:34.14 | enouf | StrangeCharm: what card? |
| 11:34.37 | StrangeCharm | enouf: highpoint rocketraid 1540, i believe |
| 11:35.27 | enouf | StrangeCharm: so check the BIOS anyway - there may be relevant settings about RAID in there, not to mention whatver that old array installed to those disks |
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| 11:36.31 | StrangeCharm | enouf: the bios for my mobo, or the bios for the card? |
| 11:37.01 | enouf | both, access the BIOS for the card through the mobo BIOS, iinm |
| 11:37.58 | StrangeCharm | enouf: the bios for the card comes up after the regular bios |
| 11:38.04 | enouf | (Warning: You'll need to load the proprietary driver only into kernels lacking the conflicting drivers/ide htp36x driver, in the presence of which your system will seize up, at boot time.) |
| 11:38.09 | enouf | heh |
| 11:38.23 | StrangeCharm | what? |
| 11:38.27 | enouf | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#highpoint |
| 11:38.32 | tralala | StrangeCharm, use the card's bios to disable the raid |
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| 11:38.45 | enouf | exactly |
| 11:38.58 | StrangeCharm | tralala: i have deleted the array |
| 11:39.10 | enouf | deleting array means squat |
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| 11:39.31 | enouf | te card is in RAID mode, not JBOD |
| 11:39.34 | enouf | or other |
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| 11:41.02 | StrangeCharm | enouf: i've tried putting the disks into a 'jbod array' but that doesn't seem to help |
| 11:41.02 | tralala | StrangeCharm, see if the bios gives you the option to completely disable the card's raid abilities |
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| 11:41.42 | StrangeCharm | i have the following menus - create, delete, add/remove spare, settings, and view |
| 11:41.51 | enouf | StrangeCharm: what was it in now? |
| 11:42.11 | StrangeCharm | what was what in now? |
| 11:42.16 | enouf | Mode |
| 11:42.40 | enouf | you said you tried JBOD, but obviously you werent in that mode now |
| 11:42.52 | enouf | so what mode were you in? |
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| 11:43.07 | StrangeCharm | i just added all the disks to a jbod, and repeated my steps. it did the same thing |
| 11:43.18 | enouf | Setttings |
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| 11:43.40 | StrangeCharm | set boot mark, remove boot mark, device mode, array name |
| 11:43.44 | enouf | that card might not allow you tio disable it |
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| 11:43.58 | enouf | check the mono BIOS as i said |
| 11:44.16 | enouf | er mobo BIOS |
| 11:44.28 | enouf | device mode says? |
| 11:44.37 | StrangeCharm | the mobo bios just allows me to set the boot priority for the card, it doesn't have any other fun bits |
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| 11:45.13 | enouf | StrangeCharm: and "device mode" choices are? |
| 11:45.21 | enouf | shall i get the Dental Pliers? |
| 11:45.32 | StrangeCharm | device mode allows me to set, for each disk, the mode it runs in: pio 1-4; mw dma 0-2; ata 16, 25, 33, 44, 66, 100, 133, and 150 |
| 11:45.43 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 11:45.44 | StrangeCharm | they're all in ata150 |
| 11:46.03 | StrangeCharm | the dental pliers? |
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| 11:46.10 | enouf | try View .. look for a jumper perhaps on the Card itself |
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| 11:46.37 | StrangeCharm | excuse me one moment while i crawl into the wirey tangle of hell |
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| 11:47.04 | enouf | having the card's docs mooght |
| 11:47.14 | enouf | having the card's docs might've helped |
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| 11:48.01 | ruo | Hi all. Could anyone help me with software RAID in debian installer? I have four same 1 TB drives attached to one controller, and when i try to create RAID1 multidisk device with 2 active and 2 reserve drives, it creates me 1.0 TB sw raid device instead of 2 TB. What's wrong? |
| 11:48.02 | ilf | what linux-image flavor should be used for a non-64bite athlon now that k7 is dropped? 486 or 686? |
| 11:48.17 | StrangeCharm | i don't see anything that even remotely resembles a jumper |
| 11:48.42 | tralala | ilf, 686 |
| 11:48.49 | StrangeCharm | oh, look, he has a similar problem! |
| 11:48.58 | ilf | tralala: thanks. got a short explaination or a link with that? |
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| 11:49.02 | StrangeCharm | right, i'm going to get the docs |
| 11:49.04 | Tidus | ruo: raid 1 is straight up mirroring |
| 11:49.19 | Tidus | every drive is going to have the exact same information on it |
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| 11:49.45 | enouf | 8. Well, OK. I have figured out my card is not hardware RAID. How do I access the data stored by my BIOS software RAID, under a 2.6.x kernel? A. Device Mapper ("DM") and dmraid. http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/ |
| 11:49.47 | tralala | ilf, 686 is the PII instruction set which is supported by all the later generation cpus |
| 11:50.25 | enouf | p-pro and up is 686 |
| 11:50.30 | donald_ | yea.. no 786 yet eh? |
| 11:50.30 | ruo | Tidus, but RAID1 with 2 active and 2 reserve drives should be like RAID1+0? Or i don't understand it right? |
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| 11:51.04 | Tidus | ruo: no |
| 11:51.09 | Tidus | raid 1 is simple mirroring |
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| 11:51.23 | Tidus | what you did when you set 2 reserve drives is in case one of the 2 active drives goes missing |
| 11:51.33 | Tidus | one of the reserves will jump in and keep the array up |
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| 11:51.42 | Tidus | it'll rebuild while the volume is online |
| 11:51.51 | Tidus | until one of the 2 active disks is missing, the reserves aren't used |
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| 11:52.13 | ruo | Tidus, ok, i see. And how can i create 2 TB mirrored stripe? |
| 11:52.15 | donald_ | with 4 drives, RAID 5 would be better |
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| 11:52.23 | Tidus | raid-0 is simple striping |
| 11:52.31 | enouf | if you want 1+0 make 2 active and 2 out of loop |
| 11:52.35 | Tidus | but since you have 4 drives, let me suggest an alternate method |
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| 11:52.52 | Tidus | use raid-5 with 3 of the 4 drives, number 4 as reserve |
| 11:53.10 | Tidus | you'll get 2TB with redundancy, and a hot spare |
| 11:53.29 | StrangeCharm | enouf, was that directed at me? |
| 11:53.30 | enouf | but raid10 is better for that then - install mdadm and read all the docs, one is usr/share/doc/mdadm/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt.gz |
| 11:53.42 | enouf | StrangeCharm: i think so ;-) |
| 11:53.45 | donald_ | or use all 4 for RAID5 and get 3TB |
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| 11:54.06 | StrangeCharm | enouf how do i use it when installing? |
| 11:54.06 | donald_ | RAID5 will run along with one dead drive till it's replaced. shouldnt take long |
| 11:54.31 | enouf | StrangeCharm: i don't know what to tell you = you might try the #debian-boot channel on oftc.net, but note, it's a dev channel only - may take a while for a reply |
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| 11:55.23 | StrangeCharm | enouf: so is the conclusion that i'm not going to be able to get rid of this phantom array? |
| 11:55.33 | enouf | StrangeCharm: Debian has dmraid - it's all integrated afaik |
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| 11:55.52 | StrangeCharm | in partman, or after boot? |
| 11:56.08 | enouf | mdadm uses init script hooks to pull in dmraid, dmsetup stuff, iinm |
| 11:56.36 | StrangeCharm | right, ok |
| 11:56.48 | enouf | well, the installer has partman, but the install guide has lots of info aout setting up sw raid |
| 11:56.50 | StrangeCharm | so surely what's what's doing the software raid in the first place? |
| 11:56.54 | enouf | !ig |
| 11:56.54 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:56.56 | StrangeCharm | *that's what |
| 11:56.57 | ruo | and here is one stupid question else. Is mdadm allows to create software raid10 array? |
| 11:57.24 | StrangeCharm | i've looked through the ig. it is most unhelpful |
| 11:57.39 | StrangeCharm | aha! |
| 11:58.31 | enouf | StrangeCharm: please pose a question where i mentioned, thanks - sorry you'll jave to explain a lot again, just talk, somoeone will eventually answer |
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| 11:58.45 | StrangeCharm | the thing is definately not in raid mode, because when in raid mode, if i go to view - logical device, it shows one large raid device. however, when there are no arrays, it shows me four hdds, marked hdd0-3 |
| 11:58.46 | enouf | !eureka |
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| 11:59.22 | enouf | StrangeCharm: so where was JBOD choice located? |
| 11:59.31 | StrangeCharm | there is no jbod choice |
| 11:59.35 | enouf | omg |
| 11:59.40 | StrangeCharm | it's just what it says when there is no array |
| 11:59.56 | enouf | <StrangeCharm> enouf: i've tried putting the disks into a 'jbod array' but that doesn't seem to help |
| 12:00.04 | StrangeCharm | when there is an array, it lists the array, when there is no array, it lists the disks |
| 12:00.07 | enouf | i suppose so |
| 12:00.17 | StrangeCharm | when there is a jbod array, it lists the jbod |
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| 12:00.27 | StrangeCharm | however, this is not that good news |
| 12:00.39 | StrangeCharm | it just means that the problem is *something else* |
| 12:00.55 | StrangeCharm | and also, i'm late for something |
| 12:01.16 | StrangeCharm | i will certainly be back to pester you later, if here ye be |
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| 12:05.26 | ruo | 10x all, bye =) |
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| 12:10.52 | bkw | USB HAL auto mount works when running a debian kernel. But when running a custom kernel it doesn't with the error: http://geting.se/viewimage.php?image=83079-error.jpg Are there any hal/udev module or similar that has to be included in kernel to support the auto mount? |
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| 12:15.13 | js_ | where is the PATH set? |
| 12:15.27 | Superbartt | .bashrc usually |
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| 12:16.16 | ^shark_ | who has some information on how to create my own root name server, i have tried google,#dns,#bind, even iana but can't find a resource on this? |
| 12:16.45 | js_ | Superbartt: i mean globally |
| 12:16.47 | ^shark_ | what is the secret!!!? |
| 12:16.55 | js_ | Superbartt: it used to be /etc/profile, but my changes there don't have any effect |
| 12:17.06 | Superbartt | js_ /etc/bashSomething i think |
| 12:17.12 | wols | Shadur: DNS and BIND by o'reilly |
| 12:17.43 | wols | ^shark_: ^^ |
| 12:18.18 | ^shark_ | wols: ok let me try to find it |
| 12:18.22 | ^shark_ | wols: thanks |
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| 12:36.53 | Erik1 | can the swap space be on a different physical disk than / ? |
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| 12:39.55 | theatro | Erik1, of course |
| 12:42.40 | Erik1 | theatro: is it smart /quicker/safer ? |
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| 12:43.18 | theatro | is this for a desktop or server? |
| 12:43.20 | epsilon | swap can be any storage device |
| 12:43.30 | mosno | why is it that dash has 'set -o' options for vi and emacs, but they don't actually work? |
| 12:43.52 | Erik1 | theatro: i use it for development: LAMP localhost |
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| 12:46.24 | theatro | well I have my swap on the same disk as /home but I dont use any swap space |
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| 12:47.07 | theatro | you can always experiment for speed later, since you can add/delete swap partitions as you like |
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| 12:47.54 | Erik1 | theatro: ok. thnx |
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| 12:56.27 | shock | hi |
| 12:56.47 | shock | i am trying to create a kernel module package for the qlogic qla4xxx driver for etch |
| 12:56.56 | shock | i have read module-assistant docs |
| 12:57.02 | shock | and i have come quite far |
| 12:57.11 | shock | but after module assistant built the module |
| 12:57.23 | shock | in does not get included in the final .deb |
| 12:57.38 | shock | although compilation is fine |
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| 12:57.48 | shock | seems to be some problem with my rules script |
| 12:58.19 | shock | but i have had a look at 3 other rules scripts, which are all the same in binary-modules section |
| 12:58.26 | shock | any hints? |
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| 12:58.40 | keitherz | whats the problem? |
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| 12:59.19 | keitherz | shock |
| 12:59.37 | shock | well, the compiled module does not get included |
| 12:59.39 | shock | as i said |
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| 13:00.41 | keitherz | hmm |
| 13:00.48 | keitherz | google for some tuts with uhm |
| 13:00.56 | keitherz | i forgot the name of the config file |
| 13:01.05 | keitherz | i haven't used linux for weeks |
| 13:01.10 | keitherz | then i forgot how to linux |
| 13:01.12 | keitherz | -.-' |
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| 13:01.49 | shock | ok, some real person who can help me? :) |
| 13:02.46 | ^shark_ | !ispdns etch |
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| 13:03.20 | keitherz | whats the module command again |
| 13:03.24 | keitherz | i forgot |
| 13:03.25 | keitherz | grrrrrr |
| 13:03.34 | keitherz | was it modprobe or sth |
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| 13:06.00 | JoeThomas | Hi, How can I remove gnome. I selected Desktop Environment from net install so I could have X to compile and use DWM. Now I don't need gnome. How can I remove it? |
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| 13:07.08 | petemc | JoeThomas: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 13:08.42 | JoeThomas | petemc: alright thanks. |
| 13:08.59 | FrozenDawn_ | maybe some of you guys got the same problem: I just installed user quotas on my nfsv4 server (which is 64 bit) and it seems to work (that is, it reports quota for my test user). however, when I run "/usr/bin/quota" from another machine, I get a weird "quota: error while getting quota from [...] Sucess" |
| 13:09.15 | FrozenDawn_ | anybody knows what is going on ? |
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| 13:11.16 | FrozenDawn_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.36 | anabain | how can I enlarge the command line cache in order that the PC remembers as many commands as I want? |
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| 13:14.46 | acemi | anabain: write unset HISTSIZE and unset HISTFILESIZE in .bashrc |
| 13:15.18 | acemi | or set a big value |
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| 13:20.48 | darius12 | why debian's "tar" doesn't include the acl and selinux patches from redhat/fedora? |
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| 13:21.12 | darius12 | is there any special reason or it is just that nobody asked for them yet? |
| 13:21.46 | SixT6 | Thank god for acl |
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| 13:21.55 | darius12 | I know I could use star instead |
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| 13:22.07 | darius12 | but tar is what I know and love |
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| 13:22.33 | DawnLight | darius12: what are those patches? |
| 13:22.55 | darius12 | they provide (a bit crude) support for acl and selinux to tar |
| 13:22.58 | tralala | darius12, you could volunteer to add the patches in debian |
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| 13:23.19 | DawnLight | darius12: you could |
| 13:23.52 | darius12 | how could I do that? Shouldn't the maintainer review these? |
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| 13:24.25 | DawnLight | darius12: you can ask the maintainer how you can help |
| 13:24.32 | tralala | darius12, also you could file a wishlist bug against tar |
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| 13:25.20 | darius12 | I 'm just asking if this issue has already been discussed before I do that |
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| 13:25.46 | ^shark_ | !ipv6 |
| 13:25.46 | dpkg | somebody said ipv6 was at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
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| 13:27.17 | darius12 | tar and grub-amd64 are the only things that bug me in debian |
| 13:27.56 | darius12 | and grub could be ok when grub2 supports savedefault/fallback |
| 13:28.40 | Skeeter_Foz | hi, i'm trying make a CDD with Simple-CDD for etch, but the debian mirror that have debian-installer is for lenny, how i make a cdd for etch? and when a try to make a iso i got this message "Error: packages database contains unused 'lenny|contrib|i386' database." and "ERROR: missing required packages from profile lai" |
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| 13:31.37 | acemi | Skeeter_Foz: download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:32.26 | harish | hm, how do i uninstall the desktop package that i installed on setup? |
| 13:32.28 | themill | !cdd |
| 13:32.29 | dpkg | Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 13:32.31 | harish | i'd rather not have gnome and such |
| 13:32.46 | themill | !tell harish about remove gnome |
| 13:32.56 | harish | tried that |
| 13:33.05 | harish | "The following packages have been kept back: |
| 13:33.05 | harish | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.05 | harish | " |
| 13:33.22 | harish | oh nevermind |
| 13:33.25 | harish | thanks :) |
| 13:33.59 | themill | harish: that means that you have other security updates to perform. You might like to aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 13:34.18 | harish | alright |
| 13:34.20 | harish | thanks |
| 13:34.35 | Skeeter_Foz | acemi, and how do i customize this netinst? |
| 13:35.18 | themill | Skeeter_Foz: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto |
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| 13:36.19 | acemi | Skeeter_Foz: sorry I misunderstood your question |
| 13:38.18 | kubitz | Can I ask if anyone knows which has the smallest footprint after installation - Quanta or Kompozer? |
| 13:38.29 | kubitz | I am running out of space :( |
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| 13:40.03 | DawnLight | kubitz: did you delete package cache? |
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| 13:40.39 | kubitz | DawnLight no i have some cleaning up to do but I really need a bigger drive :( |
| 13:40.50 | howlingmadhowie | kubitz: delete the .debs from /var/cache/apt/archives, if you haven't already |
| 13:41.09 | DawnLight | kubitz: rm -r ~/.pr0n |
| 13:41.25 | kubitz | :) |
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| 13:41.53 | kubitz | This free stuff leads you into believing you need things you never needed when you had to pay for them |
| 13:42.08 | DawnLight | that's what commercials do |
| 13:42.24 | kubitz | Like I even got a flow charting program - like i'm ever really going to use it - but curiosity :) |
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| 13:46.42 | DawnLight | same here |
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| 13:54.46 | Karlo | Best girls in the world - http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139655440 |
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| 13:57.03 | chroete | Hi. Is it possible to use a kernel compiled using Ubuntu with Debian? |
| 13:57.25 | cyberjames | chroete: i think so |
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| 13:57.41 | themill | thanks ops. |
| 13:57.46 | jms | hello |
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| 13:58.07 | chroete | So I can just take the .debs onto debian and use them there? |
| 13:58.12 | themill | no |
| 13:58.36 | jms | i'm looking for a packages that provides a cursed tool to manage users and aliases, like the old redhat userconf, does someone know something like that ? |
| 13:58.41 | DawnLight | chroete: don't do that |
| 13:59.07 | cannedfish | cursed tool? :) |
| 13:59.14 | SerajewelKS | i think he means curses |
| 13:59.23 | cannedfish | yes |
| 13:59.39 | jms | yep with curses, like midnight commander, aptitude, etc. :) |
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| 14:01.22 | cannedfish | vipw :/ |
| 14:01.49 | jms | vipw ? |
| 14:01.55 | chroete | DawnLight: where's the problem? |
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| 14:02.22 | jms | edit de passwd file ? why not |
| 14:02.33 | cannedfish | jms: not exactly what you want though |
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| 14:03.21 | jms | oki |
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| 14:03.34 | MaRRe | !mre |
| 14:03.34 | dpkg | mre is, like, Meal Ready to Eat, the US military's "food" |
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| 14:04.37 | JoeThomas | Ehh, I added colors values to my .bashrc and now when I type in TTY my text goes over my hostname. http://pastebin.com/m6a69443a is my problem and .bashrc |
| 14:05.16 | egypcio | does someone here has already set up squid to use authentication with pgsql? :~ |
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| 14:05.39 | jms | nope; not with pg |
| 14:05.49 | jms | but with ldap or mysql |
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| 14:05.55 | jms | (mysql: not sure) |
| 14:06.23 | cvw | My outgoing smtp server was down for awhile, and now I have a few dozen emails waiting in the spool. How can I restart the spool to begin sending these emails again? |
| 14:06.34 | petemc | cvw: which mta? |
| 14:06.40 | cvw | petemc: exim4 |
| 14:06.43 | petemc | exim4 -qff |
| 14:06.43 | egypcio | ja. mysql works fine (a friend of mine did it) |
| 14:06.46 | cvw | ty |
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| 14:08.00 | egypcio | jms; im thinkin about libpampgsql |
| 14:08.27 | JoeThomas | If i remove my .bashrc, will it be recreated on next login? |
| 14:08.56 | theatro | no |
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| 14:09.47 | cvw | petemc: is there a way to purge them as well? |
| 14:09.50 | howlingmadhowie | JoeThomas: i think a basic .bashrc should be created, but just to be on the safe side, rename it :) |
| 14:10.03 | aspWork | hi, i am having some problems with debian live, i have built an image and moved it to a usb stick, and it works as it should, but i want to resize the partiton on the stick to use all of the space, and when i do this it fails to boot. Am i missing something? |
| 14:10.07 | JoeThomas | howlingmadhowie: alright. |
| 14:10.09 | petemc | cvw: as well? you can only do one or the other |
| 14:10.17 | theatro | JoeThomas, what kinds of quotes are those in there? |
| 14:10.27 | theatro | they are not backquotes, right? |
| 14:10.31 | petemc | cvw: exim -Mrm msgid deletes a mail frm the queue |
| 14:10.38 | JoeThomas | theatro: http://pastebin.com/m6a69443a |
| 14:10.39 | acemi | JoeThomas: copy another user's .bashrc |
| 14:10.47 | cvw | petemc: how do I list the mails in the queue? |
| 14:10.51 | petemc | mailq |
| 14:10.55 | theatro | JoeThomas, yes I see that, I cant tell by the font |
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| 14:11.01 | petemc | cvw: you can use exipick or exiqgrep to select mails based on certain criteria |
| 14:11.24 | petemc | exipick -i 'sender_host_address eq 1.2.3.4' | xargs exim -Mrm |
| 14:11.37 | JoeThomas | theatro: everything but eval has single. eval has single and double |
| 14:11.52 | cvw | petemc: thank you |
| 14:11.59 | petemc | np |
| 14:12.05 | JoeThomas | Well I renamed my .bashrc and started tty over and its back to normal, but didnt create a new .bashrc |
| 14:12.25 | AKX | Why is my apt-get trying to connect to ftp.fi.debian.org (2001:708:310:54::99) all of a sudden? It should use IPv4. |
| 14:12.33 | howlingmadhowie | JoeThomas: oh, okay. every day i learn something new about debian :) |
| 14:13.01 | JoeThomas | howlingmadhowie: So, how can I get a .bashrc back? Just get from someone else? |
| 14:13.19 | howlingmadhowie | JoeThomas: sounds good. |
| 14:13.21 | AKX | JoeThomas, there's probably one in /etc/defaults |
| 14:13.29 | AKX | or /etc/skel |
| 14:13.36 | theatro | JoeThomas, /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 14:13.45 | AKX | Ayep. |
| 14:14.02 | AKX | But so, uh, how can I make my apt-get use IPv4? |
| 14:14.04 | JoeThomas | theatro: alright thanks. |
| 14:14.07 | JoeThomas | AKX: thanks too |
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| 14:14.24 | tralala | AKX, what's wrong with ipv6? |
| 14:14.35 | AKX | tralala, I don't have access to IPv6, that's what. :P |
| 14:14.43 | aep | hi. where is the debian sshd config? (ssd_config on other systems) |
| 14:14.52 | petemc | aep: /etc/ssh/ |
| 14:14.52 | tralala | AKX, you mean it doesn't connect to that server? |
| 14:14.54 | themill | aep: take a wild guess :) |
| 14:14.54 | AKX | Yeah. |
| 14:14.56 | howlingmadhowie | aep: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:15.06 | aep | nope |
| 14:15.09 | aep | that has no effect |
| 14:15.18 | petemc | no effect? |
| 14:15.21 | aep | can put random garbage in it, but nothing happens |
| 14:15.23 | howlingmadhowie | aep: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:15.24 | SixT6 | aep: You'll have to restart sshd afterwards |
| 14:15.29 | aep | SixT6: yeah i know |
| 14:15.36 | aep | howlingmadhowie: disabling password login |
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| 14:15.52 | tralala | AKX, do you run testing/unstable or a custom kernel? |
| 14:15.57 | AKX | tralala, testing |
| 14:16.36 | SixT6 | Strange, sshd_config works for me |
| 14:16.41 | aep | hm |
| 14:16.46 | tralala | AKX, check for existing bugs or report one yourself |
| 14:16.49 | AKX | tralala, strange thing is it worked okay yesterday |
| 14:16.58 | aep | got etch |
| 14:17.09 | AKX | There's a script that runs apt-get update nightly, the last one broke it, I guess |
| 14:17.25 | aep | on my arch machine i just put "PasswordAuthentication no" in the conf and ot does what i want |
| 14:17.36 | tralala | AKX, there's nothing strange actually - it's the way things are with testing |
| 14:17.36 | aep | on debian i can put whatever i want in that config, it will just ignore it |
| 14:18.17 | AKX | aep, read /usr/share/doc/ssh/*.debian |
| 14:18.23 | AKX | That usually helps |
| 14:18.25 | SixT6 | AKX: You can add the following in your modprobe.conf file |
| 14:18.33 | SixT6 | alias ipv6 off |
| 14:18.35 | SixT6 | alias net-pf-10 off |
| 14:18.57 | AKX | I can't really do anything that might affect the network otherwise |
| 14:19.00 | AKX | It's a production server |
| 14:19.16 | SixT6 | Hmm |
| 14:19.42 | aep | nah i'll just compile it myself. like usual *shrug* |
| 14:19.45 | aep | thanks ynway |
| 14:19.47 | tralala | AKX, a production server running testing? |
| 14:19.52 | AKX | tralala, yep. |
| 14:20.04 | cast | with a command to break it run nightly :D |
| 14:20.16 | AKX | cast, it's just update, not upgrade |
| 14:20.27 | AKX | Mind you, this is the first problem I've encountered running testing.. |
| 14:20.41 | tralala | AKX, it won't be the last one |
| 14:20.56 | AKX | tralala, this server's been running testing for over a year >_> |
| 14:21.15 | cast | ahh, bizzare that an update would break it |
| 14:21.23 | acemi | aep: did you edit ssh_config or sshd_config |
| 14:21.27 | petemc | aep: ssh looks at that file for me and thousands of other people, i would guess you're doing something wrong |
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| 14:21.50 | tralala | AKX, anyhow, check the bts |
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| 14:22.03 | AKX | Link, please, tralala? |
| 14:22.09 | tralala | AKX, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:22.22 | AKX | Also, is there maybe a way to clear the DNS cache(s)? |
| 14:22.26 | lero | anyone using e17 on debian? |
| 14:22.33 | SixT6 | AKX: You could remove the ipv6 module before you do an apt-get update, then modprobe it again afterwards =P |
| 14:22.35 | petemc | AKX: restart bind |
| 14:22.36 | aep | acemi: sshd of course |
| 14:22.39 | AKX | I mean, if it's just now caching ftp.fi.debian.org to be an ipv6 address. |
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| 14:22.50 | AKX | petemc, that shouldn't affect anything else, right? |
| 14:23.16 | aep | ah own compiled sshd works. good |
| 14:23.19 | tralala | SixT6, first of all, modprobe.conf doesn't exist by default anymore. Secondly you can't remove ipv6 with modprobe |
| 14:23.19 | aep | thanks |
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| 14:23.57 | petemc | AKX: no |
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| 14:24.11 | SixT6 | tralala: Depends on kernel version, and why can't you use modprobe? |
| 14:24.14 | Noboru | it is strange, i ran apt-get upgrade says linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem has been kept back |
| 14:24.30 | Noboru | but i need to upgrade it hmm |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | dist-upgrade |
| 14:24.42 | SixT6 | or full-upgrade |
| 14:24.44 | abrotman | Noboru: or explicitly install it |
| 14:24.47 | abrotman | SixT6: that's not in etch |
| 14:24.48 | tralala | SixT6, it doesn't; because it's in use |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | Noboru: so .. aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 14:25.19 | SixT6 | Ahh.. yes, didn't think that far =7 |
| 14:25.36 | Noboru | abrotman, i see,but i would like to know,how come its kept back,i dont think i have done it for any purposes |
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| 14:25.50 | themill | SixT6: full-upgrade is an lenny/sid thing, not etch. |
| 14:26.01 | SixT6 | tralala: But if you want to blacklist it you can put blacklist ipv6 in modprobe.d/local |
| 14:26.16 | SixT6 | I thought full-upgrade was an aptitude thing |
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| 14:27.01 | biz | which packages do I need to be able to access an remote X11 server through ssh? I've just installed dillo on a remote machine, its dependencies were not enough, so I've installed xbase-clients. Now after ssh -vvvv -X user@remote, I can see I get xauth, and no errors. DISPLAY gets set |
| 14:27.05 | cast | definitely not etch aptitude |
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| 14:27.16 | biz | From another remote host with a complete X11 installation it works fine |
| 14:27.33 | Erik1 | install problem: Debian etch R2 does not recognize my nvidia FX5200. Ubuntu does. xorg.conf says so. So after install Etch, the screen goes blank: no signal. I can get an alt. terminal though. Can I set the horsync and vertsinc in xorg.conf by hand to the Acer al1716 specs ? |
| 14:27.34 | tralala | SixT6, I'm not sure how well this works. I think I've seen reports of the module still loading after being blacklisted. |
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| 14:28.04 | SixT6 | tralala: That might be so, but it worked for me on 3 or 4 different computers |
| 14:28.21 | tralala | SixT6, ah, good to know |
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| 14:28.38 | SixT6 | But I removed it again, because the repo I use supports ipv6 now |
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| 14:28.45 | tralala | I personaly don't bother |
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| 14:28.55 | dongs | hi. |
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| 14:29.01 | howlingmadhowie | biz: as long as x forwarding is switched on in your /etc/ssh/ssh_config and in the remote computer's /etc/ssh/sshd_config it should work |
| 14:29.09 | schlangen | Hi! |
| 14:29.09 | SixT6 | Got to keep up with the internuts, ipv6 is the future |
| 14:29.33 | tralala | ipv6's future is rather questionable |
| 14:29.42 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.45 | apt | dongs: what are you talking about? |
| 14:29.45 | dongs | etc etc |
| 14:29.45 | abrotman | Noboru: it's an ABI change .. so they won't do that without your explicit permission |
| 14:29.46 | SixT6 | Agreed, but it looks cooler when connecting |
| 14:29.48 | dongs | i tried to dist-upgrade and that failed |
| 14:30.00 | dongs | now libc6 is in some jewish state |
| 14:30.03 | dongs | how can i get it working |
| 14:30.11 | abrotman | jewish state? |
| 14:30.17 | schlangen | How can I install sigc++-2.0 in a /home/.local directory on a shared server without root rights? |
| 14:30.46 | SixT6 | As far as I know this is #debian and not #race-hating |
| 14:30.51 | abrotman | dongs: what are you dist-upgrading from/to ? |
| 14:30.57 | abrotman | SixT6: yes .. |
| 14:30.57 | dongs | abrotman: sid to etch lols. |
| 14:31.02 | dongs | abrotman: on uh.. SH4. |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | you can't go sid to etch |
| 14:31.12 | abrotman | unless it's a very very old sid |
| 14:31.18 | dongs | 2005? |
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| 14:31.26 | abrotman | that might work |
| 14:31.40 | abrotman | dongs: show us your sources.list ... and the error |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:31.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:31.45 | SixT6 | Wouldn't sid 05 be the same as lenny? |
| 14:31.49 | dongs | agh stil dying |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | !etch |
| 14:31.50 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | SixT6: not likely |
| 14:31.57 | tralala | dongs, last upgraded 2005? |
| 14:31.57 | biz | howlingmadhowie: it is, but I'm unable to connect to my X screen from this host, from another one it works. X11 forwarding is enabled in every sshd_conf |
| 14:32.19 | SixT6 | !sarge |
| 14:32.20 | dpkg | [sarge] Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 14:32.34 | dongs | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/chKma235.html < |
| 14:32.49 | howlingmadhowie | biz: what do you mean bz connecting to your X screen? do you mean connecting to a remote X server (and if you do, why would you want to do that?) |
| 14:32.57 | SixT6 | abrotman: Ok, I agree with you |
| 14:32.59 | dongs | i guess priority would be getting libc back in one piece. |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 14:33.09 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 14:33.10 | dongs | etch upgrade failed due to kernel 2.4 lolz. |
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| 14:33.31 | dongs | abrotman: im doing this? |
| 14:33.34 | howlingmadhowie | biz: and is Xforwarding switched on in your /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the computer you want the application to be displayed on? |
| 14:33.42 | dongs | aptitude install libc6 --force-overwrite? |
| 14:33.48 | dongs | oh i see |
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| 14:34.05 | dongs | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install libc6 |
| 14:34.06 | dongs | ? |
| 14:34.10 | abrotman | dongs: btw .. you're still not going to etch .. what are your sources.list ? |
| 14:34.16 | dongs | its in the paste file |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | dongs: oh wait |
| 14:34.22 | Noboru | abrotman, sorry,you meant since it is an ABI change,that is why it is being kept back unless i do it manually ? |
| 14:34.32 | abrotman | Noboru: yes |
| 14:34.33 | Noboru | ABI change ? |
| 14:34.39 | abrotman | dongs: what is iohack ? an official mirror? |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | !abi |
| 14:34.42 | dpkg | i heard abi is application binary interface. |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | Noboru: items compiled to work with the old kernel ABI (-5-) like nvidia or vmware . would need to be ressetup |
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| 14:35.33 | dongs | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 14:35.35 | dongs | haha. |
| 14:35.40 | dongs | damn, i think im screwed |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | dongs: you're not using an official mirror |
| 14:35.56 | Noboru | abrotman, Thank You . |
| 14:35.56 | dongs | abrotman: no shit, it worked until I tried to upgrade to etch "from official mirror" |
| 14:35.59 | tralala | dongs, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:35.59 | biz | howlingmadhowie: yes. Its enabled on the client machine and on the 2 remote machines. I've made sure it works using a remote machine which was already set-up. ssh -X usr@remote1, works fine and displays X11 apps started remotely on my local display. The same thing does not work with remote2 which was a fresh etch install without X11 |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | dongs: iohack.jp isn't official |
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| 14:36.30 | abrotman | dongs: use http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 14:36.30 | dongs | irrelevant, i just need to get it back in working order so i can compile 2.6 and finish this upgrade :( |
| 14:36.38 | abrotman | and etch has a 2.6 |
| 14:36.40 | dongs | abrotman: this is for sh4 arch |
| 14:36.42 | biz | howlingmadhowie: Thats why I've asked which packages I need as a pure X-client |
| 14:36.46 | UNDERsoN | does linux support write for hfs+ |
| 14:36.51 | abrotman | dongs: oh .. superH isn't official ? |
| 14:36.57 | howlingmadhowie | biz: ah, i'm beginning to understand :) |
| 14:37.16 | Erik1 | !msg |
| 14:37.16 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 14:37.22 | simonrvn | UNDERsoN: it did. use the hfsplus tools |
| 14:37.32 | Erik1 | !msg dpkg acer |
| 14:37.46 | simonrvn | Erik1: /msg dpkg |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | !superh |
| 14:37.54 | dpkg | superh is, like, a processor made by Hitachi. see http://www.superh.com, or http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/debian/ |
| 14:38.03 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 14:38.10 | dongs | lol 404 on that page |
| 14:38.20 | abrotman | !superh is also http://www.linux-sh.org/shwiki/FrontPage |
| 14:38.20 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 14:38.46 | abrotman | there is a #linux-sh |
| 14:38.54 | simonrvn | UNDERsoN: hfsplus |
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| 14:39.21 | abrotman | dongs: i think i see why .. http://iohack.sourceforge.jp/debian/ |
| 14:39.48 | abrotman | dongs: that mirror only has sarge |
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| 14:40.03 | abrotman | (no .. i don't speak japanese) |
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| 14:40.16 | dongs | well i think i got everything solved now |
| 14:40.17 | dongs | 5p:/tmp# cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:40.17 | dongs | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 14:40.28 | dongs | time to pull the flash and reinstall |
| 14:40.30 | howlingmadhowie | biz: so, you have a remote system which initially did not have an installed x-server, and you have a local system with a running xserver. you log into the remote system using ssh and start an x application, and it doesn't get displayed on your local system. correct? |
| 14:40.33 | abrotman | probably your best bet |
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| 14:40.57 | abrotman | dongs: you might want to ask #linux-sh what the best distro is .. it seems the debian port is woefully out of date (though sarge does have a 2.6 available) |
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| 14:41.03 | tralala | dongs, this is why sarge->etch says to upgrade the kernel _first_ |
| 14:41.42 | abrotman | tralala: he's using an unofficial port .. badly out of date |
| 14:41.51 | abrotman | well .. i guess it's "official" but still very out of date |
| 14:42.34 | tralala | out of date as in no linux 2.6.18? |
| 14:42.52 | biz | howlingmadhowie: exactly. Its definitely the remote machine which is not setup correctly. I get this when launching a remote X11 app: 'cannot open display: localhost:10.0' - All sounds correct, localhost:10.0 is the forwarded X11 display from ssh. I guess its an Xauthority thing |
| 14:42.55 | seria-mau | someone from the kde team here? |
| 14:43.11 | tralala | because to me it seems that the upgraded libc6 doesn't like the kernel he's running |
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| 14:43.15 | abrotman | tralala: out of date as in .. no etch |
| 14:43.23 | dongs | hurf |
| 14:43.25 | tralala | ai |
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| 14:43.51 | abrotman | dongs: i'd ask the #linux-sh guys .. tell them you'd rather use a debian-based version .. but you'll take what works well |
| 14:43.56 | howlingmadhowie | biz: and you've checked using a remote system with an installed x-server, by starting an x application on the remote system and having it displayed on your local system |
| 14:44.01 | seria-mau | cant search with krunner (kde4), but according to kde people this should work. strigidaemon isnt started on login as well |
| 14:44.07 | abrotman | it appears the http://eggplant.ddo.jp/www/pukiwiki/index.php?Kernel%202.6%20and%20Debian%20on%20LANDISK has a 2.6 .. but i'm not sure how to get it |
| 14:44.07 | themill | biz: are you running an x server on your local machine? |
| 14:44.13 | themill | !tell seria-mau about kde4 |
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| 14:44.14 | abrotman | seria-mau: #debian-kde |
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| 14:44.33 | biz | howlingmadhowie: yes |
| 14:44.41 | biz | themill: sure |
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| 14:46.01 | howlingmadhowie | biz: have you tried restarting the ssh-server on the remote system to make sure that the current /etc/ssh/sshd_config is being used? |
| 14:46.06 | themill | biz: the xauthority should be managed by ssh so that shouldn't be a problem. Before you ssh, is $DISPLAY correct? |
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| 14:48.19 | biz | themill: yes, its :0.0. On the remote machine its localhost:10.0 which sound correct since ssh starts with forwarded X11 displays at :10 per default. The xauth was missing on the remote system, so I've installed xbase-clients on the remote host which includes xauth. ssh debug now says xauth is exported, no errors at all. |
| 14:48.33 | biz | howlingmadhowie: yes, X11 forwarding is enabled per default |
| 14:48.48 | themill | biz: ahh yes... you do need the xauth package on the remote machine. |
| 14:49.24 | biz | themill: there is no xauth package, its in xbase-clients and this is installed |
| 14:49.47 | themill | biz: yes, in etch you are right. They've split that out for lenny. |
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| 14:50.55 | biz | ah.. ok. Am I missing something here? All I've installed regarding X11 on the remote host is xbase-clients and dillo and their dependencies |
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| 14:52.54 | biz | themill: debug2: X11 connection uses different authentication protocol. |
| 14:53.21 | biz | themill: is this due to different versions? I'm using sid here and etch on the client side |
| 14:53.30 | frojnd1 | does anyone know, howc an I limit UL/DL speed of torrent file that I'm allready downloading, with torrentflux ? |
| 14:53.40 | biz | seem's like I need a xbase-clients backport |
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| 14:55.08 | yuan | "ide-cd: cmd 0x5a timed out hdc:lost interupt" how can I solve the problem? thank you |
| 14:55.15 | dongs | lols. |
| 14:55.59 | dongs | things are looking pretty sad |
| 14:56.06 | dongs | reinstalling flash and will try compiling 2.6 or something. |
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| 14:56.16 | Roobarb | yuan: we call those "hardware errors" |
| 14:56.25 | abrotman | dongs: i really think you should ask #linux-sh for an up to date distro |
| 14:56.45 | dongs | i'd be surprised if theres more than 10 people in that channel |
| 14:56.51 | abrotman | 13 :) |
| 14:57.02 | abrotman | oh .. 11 now |
| 14:57.03 | dongs | shocking. |
| 14:57.04 | yuan | Roobarb: however it never happen until today... |
| 14:57.46 | xushi | hi all |
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| 14:58.14 | Noboru | hi abrotman ,are you still there ? |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | define "there" |
| 14:58.51 | xushi | i have a RAID set where one of the hard drives died, and the other one is also on its last steps.. i took the one that still works out, into a new machine, and added another clean unpartitioned unformatted disk to the machine too. MY question is, will it delete everything on both disks if i create a new raid? because 'repair raid' isn't working |
| 14:58.59 | Noboru | :) im using fail2ban,its great one,would you recommend me other similar tool to secure system ? |
| 14:59.01 | Roobarb | yuan: cosmic rays, probably |
| 14:59.06 | Noboru | similiar |
| 14:59.13 | abrotman | Noboru: secure from what? and securing what? |
| 14:59.42 | Noboru | from being hacked,or stop hacking attemptions. |
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| 15:00.12 | abrotman | selinux could be a good start .. |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | of course .. you have to be perfect .. they only need one hole |
| 15:00.27 | Roobarb | xushi: the first step is to bring the raid up without the new device, then add the new one as a hot-spare. Linux should rebuild onto it |
| 15:00.34 | Noboru | selinux ? |
| 15:00.49 | Roobarb | xushi: I assume of course that we're talking about raid-1 mirroring? |
| 15:01.04 | xushi | Roobarb: thanks. i just managed to bring the raid up. Now i'm figuring out how to add the other new hard drive to let it auto repair |
| 15:01.10 | xushi | sorry, yes, raid 1 |
| 15:01.27 | yuan | Roobarb: maybe... then I's so lucky |
| 15:01.33 | xushi | afaik, it's using mdadm |
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| 15:02.37 | xushi | sorry, i must ask first.. i changed my locale to en_US.UTF-8. but when check, LC_ALL is blank, and it still gives me a UK keyboard instead of a US keyboard.. how can i fix this ? |
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| 15:04.02 | Hideme | I need a script that will issue to commands via cron. The first, run wget, then a simple copy of the data over to another dir. Is a shell script best, or small perl script? |
| 15:04.21 | SlayerXP | Hideme: the solution thaty suits you best is best. |
| 15:04.54 | Schiz0 | Hideme: Personally, I'd do it via a shell script. Only because I don't know perl. |
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| 15:05.31 | Hideme | SlayerXP: I dunno neither, so looking for the easiest way to automate this. :) |
| 15:05.43 | minus198 | Ehm.. Does anyone know what type of NIC the HP DV6610 laptop has? I cant seem to find it. And during the install, lenny refuses to find one. |
| 15:05.46 | Roobarb | xushi: assuming you're using mdadm, the following should add sdb as a new device to the array "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb" |
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| 15:06.02 | Roobarb | xushi: I assume you have a backup before you start this? |
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| 15:06.38 | puffy_ | hello |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | minus198: switch to the console ... see if 'lspci' is available |
| 15:06.50 | msan | minus198: what does lspci say about it ? |
| 15:07.01 | xushi | Roobarb: thanks, and no i don't.. i don't have another disk that's big enough to take the data |
| 15:07.09 | minus198 | abrotman, on my way to check it |
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| 15:08.05 | xushi | now we play the waiting game of recovery... |
| 15:08.06 | Erik1 | I installed a base system and need to build nvidia stuff from a nvidia download. driver for my screen. for that I need more than the base system: stuff like gcc etc. how can I install all that from my etch DVD's without a GUI preesent |
| 15:08.47 | minus198 | abrotman, msan: nVidia corperation unknown device 054C |
| 15:08.49 | Roobarb | xushi: the array should be usable during this time, and /proc/mdstat should be telling you things |
| 15:08.52 | minus198 | something like that |
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| 15:09.04 | abrotman | minus198: not much you can do until after the install likely |
| 15:09.14 | xushi | Roobarb: yes it is. Thanks a lot for the help! you just saved me 500GB worth of data |
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| 15:09.19 | abrotman | minus198: you sure that's the LAN ? |
| 15:09.41 | msan | minus198: pastebin the output somewhere |
| 15:09.50 | abrotman | msan: he has no lan ... |
| 15:09.55 | minus198 | abrotman, well.. that was the only ethernetcontroller that wasn't the WLAN |
| 15:10.13 | Roobarb | xushi: you're not safe untill the sync is complete :) |
| 15:10.14 | abrotman | minus198: finish the install .. |
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| 15:10.26 | minus198 | abrotman, how? its the netinstall |
| 15:10.44 | minus198 | should I try to use the forcedeth module? |
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| 15:10.48 | abrotman | minus198: you can still finish .. |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | minus198: just don't tell it to use http sources |
| 15:11.04 | minus198 | abrotman, ok |
| 15:12.00 | Roobarb | xushi: "mdadm -D /dev/md0" should give you some more information |
| 15:12.20 | protoloco | scp support key authentification ? |
| 15:12.29 | Roobarb | xushi: as an aside, can you paste /proc/mdstat in a privmsg ? |
| 15:12.59 | Sheogorath | \o/ FINI \o/ |
| 15:13.19 | xushi | Roobarb: out of curiosity, if after syncing, the main raid device dies, do i need any specific parameters when i replace it, or is it the same ? |
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| 15:13.57 | Roobarb | xushi: same thing |
| 15:14.05 | xushi | excellent. |
| 15:14.13 | Roobarb | xushi: theres no such thing as a "master" |
| 15:14.19 | Roobarb | or main device |
| 15:14.35 | xushi | oh, i thought one was the main, and the other one was the second device that is being synched to |
| 15:14.55 | Roobarb | during a recovery, yes, but not during normal operation |
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| 15:15.43 | Roobarb | xushi: say you have an array made from disks A and B. if B fails, you replace it and the syn happens from A->B. The reverse happens if A fails. |
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| 15:16.19 | xushi | I see now |
| 15:16.37 | xushi | I like it... This is the 3rd time I'm saved because of Raid 1 |
| 15:16.58 | xushi | problem is, this time, both hard drives of the same RAID set are faulty... |
| 15:18.14 | Roobarb | xushi: you can remove a device fro the array in a nicer way (when you come to replace the other drive) |
| 15:18.26 | Erik1 | what is the install name for the libc package ? |
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| 15:19.33 | Roobarb | xushi: "mdadm /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sda --remove /dev/sda" |
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| 15:20.14 | xushi | I understand what's written above, but why do you have to pass --fail ? |
| 15:20.16 | dongs | found some 2.6.22 stuff on iohack site |
| 15:20.24 | dongs | will try installing and booting that first. |
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| 15:21.37 | tacit | I have the debian DVD iso on hard disk. How do I serve them, from a non-debian GNU/Linux, as an installation archive via [nfs,http,ftp] to another system I can boot from the install floppies? |
| 15:22.00 | Roobarb | xushi: I believe it explicitly marks the device as failed, so even if you rebooted without removing that drive, the array will stay degraded |
| 15:22.49 | Roobarb | xushi: and, mdadm will not let you remove a healthy drive from an array, only a faulty one |
| 15:23.01 | xushi | makes sense |
| 15:23.48 | Roobarb | xushi: if you have VMWare accessible to you, I recomend you create a bunch of virtual disk partitions and have a play |
| 15:24.29 | xushi | hmm, it never occured to me before to play with RAID through vmware. |
| 15:24.35 | Roobarb | you'll feel a lot more confident if you've seen the effect commands have on a test platform before you runt hem on live data |
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| 15:24.49 | Roobarb | I do :) |
| 15:25.20 | xushi | hehe |
| 15:25.26 | xushi | how do you implement two hard drives in vmware ? |
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| 15:29.50 | shamrock | could someone suggest why whenever I start a program from my taskbar (e.g root window) it appears behind the currently foreground application (lenny/gnome) |
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| 15:30.57 | themill | shamrock: Perhaps your window manager has some sort of strange focus-stealing prevention algorithm. |
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| 15:32.13 | shamrock | themill: and where would I confirm that? |
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| 15:33.10 | themill | look to see if it has any settings... no idea where, I don't use gnomish stuff |
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| 15:33.52 | manuel_ | hi, anyone here using debain stable with an nforce 630a chipset? |
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| 15:34.42 | manuel_ | i'm trying to compile a kernel to support my sound card, network etc., but i'm failing on the S-ATA drivers |
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| 15:36.34 | DocPlatypus | no answer in #sdl... having trouble with bad sound lag in SDL applications |
| 15:36.49 | DocPlatypus | where do I go about troubleshooting this? (unfortunately I'm not at the box at the moment) |
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| 15:38.29 | xushi | which is better, having alsa from the kernel or from external packages? |
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| 15:39.44 | Tapout | is there a way to get .. postgresql 8.2.6 into aptitude so I can install it right from debian packages instead of source compiling? |
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| 15:40.39 | abrotman | Tapout: on etch ? |
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| 15:41.12 | abrotman | !tell Tapout about bpo |
| 15:41.13 | shamrock | can someone help me get my thinkpad online please. It has a static IP address, I think dns lookup is assigned but the router doesn't show the device as attached. |
| 15:41.28 | Tapout | abrotman, i think etch, set |
| 15:41.29 | Tapout | sec |
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| 15:42.34 | Tapout | /etc/debian_version = 4 |
| 15:42.39 | scriptdevil | this is the first time i am going to use a debian. But i am well versed in GNU/linux. Should i choose lenny or sid? |
| 15:42.47 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 15:42.48 | dpkg | well, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 15:42.49 | abrotman | Tapout: ^^^ |
| 15:43.03 | Tapout | yep i was reading that |
| 15:43.05 | Tapout | thanks man |
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| 15:43.32 | shamrock | how can I disable my wireless card in SW (e.g not have to remove it) in debian? I think its playing havoc with my nic. |
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| 15:44.51 | nameless` | hi |
| 15:44.59 | nameless` | i would like to make grid computing at home |
| 15:45.13 | nameless` | do anyone knows good open source software ? |
| 15:45.16 | xushi | is the nfs-kernel-server safe to use? or should i stick to the user based ? |
| 15:45.24 | cahoot | shamrock: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:45.31 | nameless` | like a kernel extension enabling jobs-sending to other network-computer |
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| 15:45.49 | tacit | nameless`: Do you want to develop an application? |
| 15:46.07 | nameless` | tacit: if no-one already exist, yes, but i would prefer if one exist |
| 15:46.19 | tacit | nameless`: boinc |
| 15:46.22 | Tapout | i love you abrotman, thanks buddy |
| 15:46.28 | Tapout | seems to be easy as 1,2,3 |
| 15:46.33 | nameless` | tacit: boinc works at kernel level ? |
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| 15:46.39 | abrotman | Tapout: just make sure you read the instrucitons there |
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| 15:47.33 | Tapout | abrotman, i did.. :) now I've got a followup if you don't mind |
| 15:47.38 | tacit | nameless`: You don't want to do dc at kernel level. It would just be plain stupid. The kernel handles hardware. You want to run an application. |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | NO! |
| 15:47.40 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 15:47.46 | Helmi | hi all - is there any way to use the unstable repos for just a single package instead of the whole system? |
| 15:48.00 | abrotman | !tell Helmi about backports |
| 15:48.05 | Tapout | aptitude search postgresql <-- I see 8.2 is listed there now.. just .. p \t postgresql-8.2 ... .. there is no mention or breakdown of it being a backport or not.. is there a way to tell ? |
| 15:48.08 | nameless` | tacit: what i want to do isn't an specific grid networking application, i want all my process works with the other computer oin my network |
| 15:48.13 | nameless` | i'm not sure to be clear |
| 15:48.21 | Helmi | i'd like to use otrs2 (http://packages.debian.org/otrs2) in the actual version instead of the rather old one in etch |
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| 15:48.36 | abrotman | Tapout: apt-cache policy postgresql-8.2 .. what's the version ? |
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| 15:49.06 | Tapout | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.09 | Tapout | ahh.. bpo |
| 15:49.17 | tacit | nameless`: You'd have to run an application that takes advantage of this. |
| 15:49.21 | Tapout | thanks again |
| 15:49.48 | tacit | nameless`: anyway, read about beowulf, pvm, and maybe heartbeat |
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| 15:51.39 | nameless` | tacit: thanks for your tips |
| 15:51.58 | dongs | say |
| 15:52.15 | dongs | http://iohack.sourceforge.jp/kogiidena/kernel26/linux-2.6.22/ if i have this |
| 15:52.18 | dongs | what can i do with it? |
| 15:52.19 | tacit | nameless`: oh and distcc for distributed compiling is fun |
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| 15:53.31 | DawnLight | abrotman: thanks. my usb msc attached hdd works great :) do you know what it would take to make it sort of a live, cross-hardware debian? |
| 15:54.00 | abrotman | the what? |
| 15:54.16 | abrotman | you mean like a PA system ? |
| 15:54.23 | DawnLight | usb mass storage device controller |
| 15:54.32 | abrotman | cross hardware? |
| 15:54.35 | DawnLight | like yours |
| 15:54.43 | abrotman | DawnLight: you must have been talking to someone else |
| 15:54.54 | dongs | abrotman: anything i can do with contents of that link? |
| 15:55.02 | DawnLight | abrotman: don't you have a usb external hdd? |
| 15:55.03 | dongs | http://iohack.sourceforge.jp/kogiidena/kernel26/linux-2.6.22/ |
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| 15:55.14 | nameless` | tacit: did you already test these programs ? |
| 15:55.16 | abrotman | dongs: try to install it .. not sure it would work |
| 15:55.20 | nameless` | tacit: did it works fine ? |
| 15:55.21 | abrotman | DawnLight: sure .. but mine is for backup |
| 15:55.55 | DawnLight | abrotman: i remember. i asked you about debian's support before i got mine |
| 15:56.20 | dongs | i tried those 2.6 kernels and the shit just locks up at boot |
| 15:56.24 | dongs | and im too lazy ot make a serial console |
| 15:56.36 | dongs | hm i remmber seeing mem=64M on all lilo lines i wonder if thats it |
| 15:56.37 | tacit | nameless`: beowulf is just a concept. I ran heartbeat for failover. pvm is a library I used on a cluster, nice. |
| 15:56.52 | DawnLight | i want to be able to plug it in to random boxes and boot a debian from it |
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| 15:57.02 | abrotman | DawnLight: but different architectures ? |
| 15:57.06 | tacit | nameless`: distcc... well not as good as the new icecream package but it's proven and mature. |
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| 15:57.45 | DawnLight | abrotman: most archs i'll run into are going to be i386/i686/k7/amd64 |
| 15:58.02 | wad | There is a file named "-abc" that I want to delete. I can't seem to delete it. "rm" keeps trying to interpret the dash. Help |
| 15:58.21 | nameless` | tacit: well, i will test these different solution, but if no one is like i expect, maybe i'll think about openning a new project |
| 15:58.32 | abrotman | DawnLight: i suppose you could .. though i guess you'd want -486 kernel .. but /msg dpkg usb install |
| 15:58.33 | bkw | Does hal package in lenny(0.5.10-5) solve the mounting usb mass device bugs that do exist in etch with hal 0.5.8.1-9? |
| 15:58.44 | DawnLight | abrotman: great. thanks! |
| 15:58.46 | abrotman | bkw: find the bug .. see if it's closed |
| 15:58.49 | nameless` | tacit: there is a lot of problems under |
| 15:58.52 | tacit | wad: see the end of the rm manpage |
| 15:59.18 | wad | Ah! |
| 15:59.19 | wad | Thanks! |
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| 16:07.14 | helo | is it unsafe to log into a machine remotely that has been compromised? |
| 16:07.37 | petemc | helo: you would really want that machine off the network asap |
| 16:08.05 | RichiH | helo: if you do not forward X and have your local machine secured against remote exploits then yes |
| 16:08.12 | RichiH | helo: petemc is right, though |
| 16:08.14 | helo | it is sometimes hard to know a machine has been compromised until you log in... or much later |
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| 16:08.46 | RichiH | helo: it is impossible to reliably determine that a machine has not been compromised remotely |
| 16:09.06 | helo | right... |
| 16:09.08 | RichiH | (you doing it remotely, not the compromise) |
| 16:09.17 | lucas__ | hello, im using lenny, and gnome is displaying truetype fonts correctly, but any other application is not....for example Eterm |
| 16:10.21 | lucas__ | when i exec Eterm -F -*-arial-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* it display with wide space between characters |
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| 16:11.10 | lucas__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.39 | Noboru | i have a question may not related to debian ,may i ask ? |
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| 16:13.20 | lucas__ | !ata |
| 16:13.21 | dpkg | well, ata is (AT Attachment) More commonly known as IDE, the "AT" refers to the IBM-AT computer where this interface was first used. |
| 16:13.22 | Noboru | i was taking to the guy in data-centre,he told me this: a REAL dedicated line in a data-center should not be 10Mbit,but 100Mbit |
| 16:13.34 | xored | are there big api changes in from 5->6 ? |
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| 16:13.52 | Noboru | so he was telling me, those so called 10Mbit dedicated line is a lie ,really ? |
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| 16:14.25 | Noboru | he told me that 100Mbit is a minimal. |
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| 16:22.38 | faclon | Hi, may someone help me with a problem. Every time I turn on the computer it appear the message Begin: waiting to mount root file system and there it hangs, I manually reboot the computer and then it can enter to the system. |
| 16:22.51 | DawnLight | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian seems out of my league at this point. what should fail if i just debootstrap it and try to boot with grub? |
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| 16:24.33 | Roobarb | xushi: Sorry went afk. To play with raid in vmware, either create lots of small partitions on one disk, or just add extra virtual disk devices from the "Edit Virtual Machine Settings" dialogs. |
| 16:25.03 | FrozenDawn_ | maybe some of you guys got the same problem: I just installed user quotas on my nfsv4 server (which is 64 bit) and it seems to work (that is, it reports quota for my test user). however, when I run "/usr/bin/quota" from another machine, I get a weird "quota: error while getting quota from [...] Sucess" |
| 16:25.06 | FrozenDawn_ | anybody knows what is going on ? |
| 16:25.28 | FrozenDawn_ | (sorry, I sent this aysterday, but I slept, and lost the anwser ...) |
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| 16:26.04 | justin | FrozenDawn_: did you mount the share with the quota option? |
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| 16:27.15 | FrozenDawn_ | (dash)export is mounted with quota support |
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| 16:27.46 | FrozenDawn_ | as I said, quota is working. I cant use more than my share |
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| 16:28.08 | FrozenDawn_ | just the usr bin quota does not say what my limits are |
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| 16:29.33 | chrisjw | hey i'm pretty new to linux; i've just installed java, where is the best place to put the folder and is there some path file i can add the java bin directory to? |
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| 16:29.58 | jetscreamer | uh debian java packages no eh |
| 16:30.10 | chrisjw | i just downloaded the bin |
| 16:30.25 | chrisjw | chmod x etc and then ran it and i have a folder now, it's currently in /home |
| 16:30.34 | chrisjw | but is that an ok place for it to stay? |
| 16:30.36 | Schiz0 | chrisjw: what release? |
| 16:30.42 | Schiz0 | of debia, that is |
| 16:30.45 | Schiz0 | +n |
| 16:31.04 | jetscreamer | /usr/local or ~/local i think i hear |
| 16:31.21 | chrisjw | it is 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:31.25 | chrisjw | I just downloaded the net install |
| 16:31.38 | chrisjw | I'm using CLI and i want to just run my programming on it |
| 16:31.46 | chrisjw | I've installed build essentials already |
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| 16:32.03 | Schiz0 | chrisjw: lenny? etch? testing? stable? |
| 16:32.05 | lucas__ | hello, im using lenny, and gnome is displaying truetype fonts correctly, but any other application is not....for example Eterm. when i exec "Eterm -F -*-arial-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" it display with wide space between characters |
| 16:32.19 | chrisjw | ok, is there a path file? /etc/path ? |
| 16:32.28 | lhz | can you tell xprop or xwininfo to dump all windows (non-interactively) ? |
| 16:32.29 | chrisjw | not sure i'm afriad, i'm completely new to this |
| 16:32.32 | Schiz0 | chrisjw: Debian lenny has a package for sun java. |
| 16:32.33 | chrisjw | jdk-6u2-linux-i586.bin is the netinst i got |
| 16:32.46 | chrisjw | oops ignore that |
| 16:32.55 | dn4 | Hey dpkg; /msg dpkg pgp ; MIT No Longer Distributes PGP <--http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html |
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| 16:35.20 | simonrvn | lucas__: try setting a character set, like iso-10646-1 or iso-8859-1 (use xfontsel) |
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| 16:35.55 | simonrvn | chrisjw: /etc/profile; see PATH |
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| 16:36.19 | lucas__ | simonrvn: i'll try |
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| 16:37.17 | simonrvn | lucas__: of course, use your own character set, that's just an example of course |
| 16:38.24 | dn4 | Isn't the creator of PGP the same one who wrote the source, proof of concept code for PGP on a back cover of a MIT book? |
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| 16:39.53 | simonrvn | helo: && |
| 16:40.14 | helo | hmm |
| 16:40.32 | simonrvn | actually, that's really wrong |
| 16:40.45 | helo | i thought so heh |
| 16:40.48 | simonrvn | oh sorry, thought i saw export |
| 16:41.12 | aib42 | how can I view debian documentation installed on my system? (/usr/share/doc/*) |
| 16:41.14 | helo | that is what i did, but it would be cool if startx would set the env vars for the next command |
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| 16:42.21 | simonrvn | use .xsession or .xsessionrc |
| 16:42.33 | simonrvn | (the latter won't work in etch) |
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| 16:44.22 | MarcWeber | Which package contains the php executable ? |
| 16:44.23 | jetscreamer | aib: the .gz docs use zless or something |
| 16:44.47 | jetscreamer | err aib42 ^^ |
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| 16:45.08 | jetscreamer | !tell MarcWeber -about search |
| 16:45.10 | helo | proof of concept, rather |
| 16:45.11 | jetscreamer | use apt-file |
| 16:45.12 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 16:45.29 | Nyle | # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 10857 - |
| 16:45.34 | Nyle | coool |
| 16:45.43 | aib42 | jetscreamer: hmm, is there some kind of "documentation viewer" which would also list available documentation without making me browse the directory tree? (I've just noticed that most directories only contain changelogs) |
| 16:45.48 | jetscreamer | !tell nyle -about nyeet |
| 16:45.48 | Nyle | I thought my hdd was going bad cuz i had some weird ata errors on dmesg |
| 16:45.54 | Nyle | good morning |
| 16:46.05 | jetscreamer | aib42: yes, but i dunno what it is called |
| 16:46.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I got so drunk last need off of just 1 beer that I threw up and my was spinning |
| 16:46.25 | Nyle | I haven't been hungry in 2 day |
| 16:46.35 | jetscreamer | i think this new ata stuff is NOT production ready, personally |
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| 16:46.36 | Nyle | I dunno whats wrong I can smoke wee but no munchies |
| 16:46.41 | Nyle | I just can't get hungry its killin me |
| 16:46.42 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:47.07 | Nyle | and no i did not eat lately |
| 16:47.08 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:47.10 | amphi | not long for this world, I reckon |
| 16:47.12 | jetscreamer | eat powerbars and drink instant breakfast |
| 16:47.14 | helo | am i just too lazy to want to upgrade any more, or is etch pleasant enough to use that upgrading to testing doesn't seem necessary? |
| 16:47.16 | amphi | ;) |
| 16:47.29 | jetscreamer | etch is fine if you don't care how old it is |
| 16:48.28 | jetscreamer | vitamins, nyle |
| 16:48.42 | Nyle | *groan* |
| 16:48.48 | helo | when is etch EOL? 2050? |
| 16:48.49 | Nyle | I don't wanna go back to the hospital |
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| 16:49.02 | jetscreamer | then go to the doctor regularly |
| 16:49.08 | saeed | hi all |
| 16:49.11 | jetscreamer | oh.. and do what he says |
| 16:49.13 | Nyle | hi |
| 16:49.23 | saeed | I am using a debian based distro "DreamLinux" |
| 16:49.31 | jetscreamer | then we can't help you |
| 16:49.33 | saeed | but I am having trouble with my wireless |
| 16:49.33 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 16:49.33 | Nyle | not supported here |
| 16:49.35 | Nyle | !debian |
| 16:49.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 16:49.41 | Nyle | !why debian |
| 16:49.41 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 16:49.42 | saeed | it's debian |
| 16:49.47 | Nyle | !d-i saeed |
| 16:49.47 | dpkg | saeed, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:49.48 | jetscreamer | no it's debian based |
| 16:49.53 | saeed | just help me out please |
| 16:49.56 | saeed | OK? |
| 16:49.57 | Nyle | when you have debian installed, we'll help yo u |
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| 16:50.16 | simonrvn | !not debian |
| 16:50.16 | simonrvn | no it's not debian, it's dreamlinux |
| 16:50.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:50.17 | Nyle | saeed: we cannot, and help on any other distribution which is not "DEBIAN" is offtopic here |
| 16:50.41 | MarcWeber | jetscreamer: Thanks. It's php5-cli. |
| 16:50.42 | jetscreamer | saeed: next time don't be so honest... |
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| 16:50.50 | Nyle | saeed: try ##linux |
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| 16:51.09 | Nyle | #dream-linux |
| 16:51.20 | Nyle | I do too |
| 16:51.24 | Nyle | but what can ya do |
| 16:51.26 | simonrvn | i do too, every time |
| 16:51.27 | helo | or just #linux... |
| 16:51.29 | Nyle | do you feel bad enough to support him? |
| 16:51.33 | helo | don't feel bad |
| 16:51.39 | jetscreamer | almost |
| 16:51.51 | jetscreamer | i don't know wireless though |
| 16:51.59 | simonrvn | me neither |
| 16:52.12 | jetscreamer | saeed: you can probably use a bunch of the debian docs and stuff |
| 16:52.15 | jetscreamer | !wireless |
| 16:52.15 | dpkg | [wireless] The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless>, or unfortunately, both of the above links are horrifically out of date. |
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| 16:52.59 | pdy | on etch there seems to be a module package coming from "perl-modules" that is called "B" and that fails to upgrade. why is that module required - or could i just remove it? |
| 16:53.46 | chrisjw | is there any way to search through the packages in the repositories |
| 16:53.49 | simonrvn | i haven't heard of the B module, but i ain't no perlmonk either |
| 16:53.54 | chrisjw | like apt-get find |
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| 16:53.58 | chrisjw | something like that ? |
| 16:54.01 | simonrvn | !tell chrisjw -about search |
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| 16:54.03 | Nyle | !tell chrisjw -about search |
| 16:54.03 | pdy | chrisjw: dselect or aptitude |
| 16:54.04 | Nyle | doh |
| 16:54.16 | Nyle | apt-cache search keyword |
| 16:54.23 | craigevil | apt-cache search or if you use kde use kio-apt in konq |
| 16:54.29 | simonrvn | hm |
| 16:54.29 | simonrvn | hmaptitude search |
| 16:54.33 | simonrvn | aptitude search |
| 16:54.34 | chrisjw | ah yes that's it |
| 16:54.37 | chrisjw | apt-cache search |
| 16:54.38 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 16:54.38 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 16:54.39 | chrisjw | thankyou |
| 16:54.46 | jetscreamer | see also apt-file though |
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| 16:54.51 | simonrvn | doh, sorry |
| 16:54.53 | jetscreamer | different capabilities |
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| 16:57.25 | jetscreamer | kline fodder! |
| 16:57.29 | abrotman | Dave2: ? |
| 16:57.55 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 16:57.59 | Dave2 | gone, thanks |
| 16:58.00 | eth01 | !ffs |
| 16:58.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 16:58.25 | jetscreamer | lookie it's my bestest buddy, eth01!!!!! |
| 16:58.31 | simonrvn | damn, waste of a good insult |
| 16:58.33 | jetscreamer | dpkg say hey eth01 |
| 16:58.33 | dpkg | hey eth01 |
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| 16:59.05 | simonrvn | eth01: why are you still eth01, you haven't plugged yourself in yet? |
| 16:59.40 | eth01 | eth01 = ethel ? |
| 16:59.46 | eth01 | I have a double-barraled name? |
| 16:59.55 | jetscreamer | are you married to fred? |
| 17:00.00 | eth01 | double-barreled ** |
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| 17:00.07 | eth01 | nope. |
| 17:00.16 | helo | echo -e '(ping -c 1 192.168.42.42 && synergyc lain)&\n'`cat .fluxbox/startup` > .fluxbox/startup_test |
| 17:00.28 | eth01 | married to nobody, ty. |
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| 17:00.53 | jetscreamer | ok i can stop the dpkg say stuff |
| 17:01.22 | simonrvn | eth01: heh. i kept thinking it had had to do with eth0, eth1 .. |
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| 17:01.34 | jetscreamer | y yo |
| 17:02.10 | helo | echo -e '(ping -c 1 192.168.42.42 && synergyc lain)&\n'"`cat .fluxbox/startup`" > .fluxbox/startup_test |
| 17:02.14 | helo | that works |
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| 17:02.57 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 17:03.02 | DebKDELinuxGeek | hey, how do you share files on debian over a network? |
| 17:03.31 | pepperjack | DebKDELinuxGeek: ssh server is the easiest way i suppose |
| 17:03.41 | pepperjack | or nfs |
| 17:03.50 | simonrvn | samba, nfs, ssh, afs, sfs, .... |
| 17:03.58 | DebKDELinuxGeek | how do I do it with samba |
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| 17:04.25 | DebKDELinuxGeek | is there like something in kde, or do I have to grab a command line based tutorial? |
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| 17:04.35 | simonrvn | samba is only really useful if you have winblows machines on the lan |
| 17:05.00 | DebKDELinuxGeek | I know... but it's the one I'm most familiar with retrieving |
| 17:05.00 | simonrvn | kde can work with those |
| 17:05.06 | DebKDELinuxGeek | I just go into knoq and look at samba shares |
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| 17:05.17 | FordCortina | don't use samba if you can at all help it |
| 17:05.19 | DebKDELinuxGeek | but I don't know how to share over samba, just retrieve files |
| 17:05.43 | DebKDELinuxGeek | ok... nfs or ssh then |
| 17:05.46 | FordCortina | use sshd on the server and sshfs on the client = super easy file transfers |
| 17:05.49 | asulao | hello. trying to xen-create-image on debian/etch. I get lots of messages like "4gb seg fixup, process XXXXXX (pid xxx) ..... ", and the image finally doesn't get created, and computer stalls. What could cause this? |
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| 17:06.53 | FordCortina | i know of no gui however. although winscp is a good windows client if you need one |
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| 17:07.41 | DebKDELinuxGeek | I'm serving to another linux box |
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| 17:08.00 | enzo | hi |
| 17:08.04 | DebKDELinuxGeek | do I have to do anything else for file serving? |
| 17:08.11 | DebKDELinuxGeek | or just install and run the server |
| 17:08.17 | enzo | should i add the volatile repository if i'm on debian testing ? |
| 17:08.34 | DebKDELinuxGeek | I wouldn't advise it |
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| 17:08.49 | DebKDELinuxGeek | that could definitely cause some instability problems |
| 17:09.17 | jetscreamer | nyle!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC_fLUvm16A |
| 17:09.19 | enzo | and non-us repository, are they existing for testing ? |
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| 17:09.27 | jetscreamer | non-us died |
| 17:09.31 | enzo | ok |
| 17:09.37 | jetscreamer | !non-us |
| 17:09.37 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 17:10.02 | enzo | thanks |
| 17:10.29 | enzo | and should i add the security.debian.org repository as i'm in testing ? |
| 17:10.42 | enzo | i think security fixes are pushed to testing no ? |
| 17:11.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 17:11.09 | jetscreamer | !security |
| 17:11.09 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
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| 17:16.39 | Mexx | can anybody tell me how i can do that the sound works on my debian? |
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| 17:17.21 | lero | anyone using e17 with debian? |
| 17:17.28 | jetscreamer | !alsa checklist |
| 17:17.28 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 17:17.33 | faclon | I am trying to install a tar and it give me this error You need to have the X11 libraries and headers installed, what packages do I need to install |
| 17:17.42 | jetscreamer | Mexx: ^^ |
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| 17:17.48 | Mexx | ^^? |
| 17:17.52 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 17:17.55 | Mexx | jetscreamer: ?^^ |
| 17:17.56 | jetscreamer | xserver-xorg-dev maybe faclon |
| 17:18.03 | jetscreamer | Mexx: see what the bot said |
| 17:18.14 | jetscreamer | !tell Mexx -about alsa checklist |
| 17:18.21 | Mexx | thx |
| 17:18.23 | Mexx | i'll try it |
| 17:18.29 | aib42 | I've installed compiz-core and compiz-gtk, but they're failing to find themes. Where can I find themes? (metacity-themes package?) Shouldn't dependancy checks take care of this? |
| 17:18.39 | faclon | thanks, will try that |
| 17:18.41 | jetscreamer | Mexx: also you might make sure the modules are loaded for your sound chip |
| 17:18.48 | Mexx | no |
| 17:18.50 | Mexx | thats to much work |
| 17:18.54 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 17:18.58 | Mexx | :) |
| 17:19.03 | faber4 | can "rsync" work over the "ftp" protocol? |
| 17:19.18 | jetscreamer | faclon: apt-cache search xorg |grep dev maybe |
| 17:19.31 | enzo | i've uploaded the debian netinstall, i'd like to switch to testing, should i do a dist-upgrade or just an upgrade ? |
| 17:19.41 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i audio maybe, mexx |
| 17:19.48 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade |
| 17:19.51 | simonrvn | uploaded? |
| 17:19.54 | Mexx | wait a moment |
| 17:20.01 | Mexx | i first try the thing what the bot said |
| 17:20.09 | enzo | ok jetscreamer |
| 17:20.21 | Mexx | Debianwald:/home/mxp# alsaconf |
| 17:20.22 | Mexx | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 17:20.29 | Mexx | hmm? |
| 17:20.32 | jetscreamer | enzo: are you trying to use the netinst iso, or you installed with it and want to up? |
| 17:20.36 | enzo | so i change the sources.list to have the testing sources, then apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade jetscreamer that's it ? |
| 17:20.46 | jetscreamer | enzo: yeah but make it aptitude |
| 17:20.59 | enzo | i've already installed the netinst, now i want to switch to testing |
| 17:21.05 | jetscreamer | Mexx: aptitude install alsa-tools i think |
| 17:21.11 | jetscreamer | or alsa-utils |
| 17:21.18 | simonrvn | utils |
| 17:21.23 | jetscreamer | so yeah enzo that's how |
| 17:21.26 | enzo | well yes you're right, that's what i'm doing, apt-get update and then aptitude, i love so much aptitue |
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| 17:21.29 | Mexx | oh ok |
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| 17:22.05 | jetscreamer | aptitude update |
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| 17:22.22 | Mexx | i still have done that |
| 17:22.29 | jetscreamer | you can't kill the dselect... dselect will live on... |
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| 17:22.51 | jetscreamer | aptitude tried to kill the dselect... they failed as they were thrown to the ground.. |
| 17:23.17 | enzo | i do U and then g and again g in aptitude to launch the update jetscreamer, i think that's the good way right ? |
| 17:23.22 | anabain | what need I to put into .bashrc in order to get 500 lines of history command? |
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| 17:23.32 | jetscreamer | enzo: i dunno |
| 17:23.59 | Mexx | hmm |
| 17:24.05 | jetscreamer | i used aptitude --with-suggests --with-recommends when aptitude first came into debian.. i never touched it again |
| 17:24.08 | Mexx | i dont have the package "alsa-tools" or "alsa-utils" |
| 17:24.13 | Mexx | i just got libasound2 |
| 17:24.23 | jetscreamer | aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 17:24.23 | justin | enzo: aptitude is much easier to use if you never run it interactively |
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| 17:24.30 | enzo | ok so 699Mo of package udate, lets rock on |
| 17:24.35 | justin | enzo: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 17:24.44 | jetscreamer | dist- |
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| 17:25.01 | simonrvn | anabain: man bash then do /HIST |
| 17:25.02 | jetscreamer | note that upgrade is being deprecated in favor of safe-upgrade |
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| 17:25.04 | Mexx | jetscreamer: |
| 17:25.04 | Mexx | Debianwald:/home/mxp# alsaconf |
| 17:25.04 | Mexx | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 17:25.09 | enzo | arg, i haven't done a dist upgrade, i've left aptitude do the trick |
| 17:25.15 | Mexx | jetscreamer: [18:25] <Mexx> i dont have the package "alsa-tools" or "alsa-utils" |
| 17:25.23 | Mexx | i havent got alsa-utils too |
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| 17:25.39 | jetscreamer | mexx did you install it as suggested? |
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| 17:25.56 | bonez44 | how does one check to see which serial port something is attached to? I am running etch |
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| 17:26.14 | jetscreamer | Mexx: first, it's really quick to do lspci |grep -i audio and check that it's actually set up first |
| 17:26.15 | Mexx | jetscreamer: yes i searched "alsa" in kpackage |
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| 17:26.32 | jetscreamer | !info alsa-utils etch |
| 17:26.36 | jetscreamer | or is it w/o the - |
| 17:26.41 | jetscreamer | !info alsautils etch |
| 17:26.41 | Mexx | Debianwald:/home/mxp# lspci | grep -i audio |
| 17:26.41 | Mexx | 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20) |
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| 17:26.53 | dpkg | alsa-utils: (ALSA utilities), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1051 kB, Installed size: 1940 kB |
| 17:27.04 | Mexx | man |
| 17:27.07 | Mexx | thats so complicated |
| 17:27.10 | jetscreamer | ok now we lsmod to see if there's a via loaded for it... |
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| 17:27.20 | Mexx | i just wanna hear music because ill be high |
| 17:27.22 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep -i ... uh... something |
| 17:27.36 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep -i snd |
| 17:27.50 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep -i snd |
| 17:27.52 | jetscreamer | rather |
| 17:27.53 | Mexx | hmm |
| 17:27.56 | Mexx | thats where much lines |
| 17:28.07 | Mexx | 18 lines |
| 17:28.09 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 17:28.09 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 17:28.16 | Mexx | ok |
| 17:28.19 | Mexx | sex |
| 17:28.21 | Mexx | *sec |
| 17:28.23 | jetscreamer | does something seem to fit that via vt82c686 ? |
| 17:28.34 | jetscreamer | the snd_ |
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| 17:29.14 | Mexx | http://paste.lisp.org/display/55216 |
| 17:29.26 | anabain | ok, simonrvn, but how can I set HISTSIZE variable to 1000, for instance, in .bashrc? |
| 17:30.03 | cusco | I have done that |
| 17:30.05 | jetscreamer | that would be a yes |
| 17:30.06 | cusco | hold |
| 17:30.19 | vibe- | anyone here installed the last ati catalist drivers? and experiences freeze ups when doing fglrxinfo? |
| 17:30.24 | tiberius0101 | hello - sry. for this noob question > how to find out the disk use of a folder including all subfolders etc. ? |
| 17:30.25 | jetscreamer | Mexx: aptitude update && aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 17:30.31 | simonrvn | HISTSIZE=1000. simple |
| 17:30.32 | cusco | anabain: look at your pvt |
| 17:30.41 | simonrvn | (ignore that . ;) |
| 17:30.56 | anabain | ok, thanx |
| 17:31.20 | cusco | and HISTFILESIZE=10000 |
| 17:31.20 | jetscreamer | vibe-: that's usually due to a bad symlink to the glx provider |
| 17:31.27 | jetscreamer | vibe-: one sec |
| 17:31.47 | hoxu | what tar flags were needed to make an exact copy of a partition to another, on the fly over pipe? |
| 17:31.48 | anabain | HISTFILESIZE need to be modified too? |
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| 17:32.02 | jetscreamer | vibe-: ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 17:32.14 | cusco | not sure, but when I modified mine, I modifed both anabain |
| 17:32.17 | jetscreamer | vibe-: that's all i know though |
| 17:32.20 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 17:32.30 | jetscreamer | buy nvidia and i'll fix you up |
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| 17:33.12 | vibe- | jetscreamer: laptop, so i cant change ? |
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| 17:33.49 | vibe- | jetscreamer: the file is there ? |
| 17:33.49 | jetscreamer | ah... well ... |
| 17:34.02 | jetscreamer | vibe-: but where does it point.. or is it a symlink even |
| 17:34.03 | sharperguy | is there a way I can install debian from another linux distribution instead of having to boot a CD? |
| 17:34.11 | jetscreamer | !debootstrap |
| 17:34.11 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 17:35.09 | sharperguy | cheers |
| 17:35.11 | vibe- | jetscreamer: no symlink, just a file |
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| 17:36.15 | jetscreamer | vibe-: i keep meaning to put an ati in here and figure ati out, but i never do.. however i feel that the stuff listed in http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt could be amended to fit the ati installer to find the xorg paths/libraries correctly... |
| 17:36.21 | tiberius0101 | hello - sry. for this noob question > how to find out the disk use of a folder including all subfolders etc. ? |
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| 17:36.39 | jetscreamer | i think it's supposed to be a symlink pointing at the ati glx provider vibe- ... it is with nvidia |
| 17:36.40 | tiberius0101 | ups sry. the second |
| 17:36.42 | amphi | tiberius0101: du -hs |
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| 17:37.11 | vibe- | jetscreamer: ok tnx i'l go and search in that direction |
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| 17:38.39 | jetscreamer | tiberius0101: du , xdiskusage |
| 17:38.48 | jetscreamer | man du |
| 17:38.56 | tiberius0101 | cheers |
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| 17:41.47 | Mexx | how can i test if the sound works? |
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| 17:47.11 | jair | hello guys... I have quick question. When I log in to my debian system as a regular user, and I type "env" where is that data read from on the linux system? |
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| 17:47.53 | Mexx | how can i test if the sound works??? |
| 17:48.33 | cahoot | Mexx: run speaker-test |
| 17:49.05 | Mexx | k |
| 17:49.05 | Mexx | moment |
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| 17:50.04 | Math^ | hello guys, I've got a multiboot system with Lenny / Win2000, and I could only install Debian with acpi off, but to be able to run Windows, I need to set acpi on in my bios... so I've to change acpi settings evertime when I want to run Debian or Windows... is there some way to make Debian run with acpi modes? |
| 17:50.33 | karmatronic | Math^: maybe using a newer kernel |
| 17:50.36 | Math^ | so I dont have to switch everytime my settings |
| 17:50.50 | karmatronic | Math^: you can also boot linux with noacpi optio n |
| 17:50.51 | Math^ | karmatronic: how can I use a newer kernel? |
| 17:51.10 | Math^ | karmatronic: yes, but I've to turn it off in my bios aswel :( |
| 17:51.17 | karmatronic | Math^: you d have to compile a new kernel to use iy |
| 17:51.32 | karmatronic | Math^: no , you should for the moment turn it on in the bios |
| 17:51.52 | karmatronic | Math^: but add an noacpi option to your boot sequence,in grub |
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| 17:52.09 | karmatronic | Math^: and have a look at "how to compile a recent kernel" |
| 17:52.17 | Rsavu | hello all. what do you recommend as an irc server? (what software on debian stable) |
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| 17:52.23 | Math^ | karmatronic: well... I could only install Debian Lenny with acpi=off and acpi turned off in my bios |
| 17:52.35 | sppt | hello |
| 17:52.50 | Math^ | karmatronic: apci=off is already in my grub |
| 17:53.02 | karmatronic | Math^: you shouldnt have needed to acpi off in the bios |
| 17:53.05 | sppt | when trying to boot the etch netinst cd, i get this error, isolinux: disk error 10, AX=4280, drive EF, what can i do to fix this? |
| 17:53.08 | Math^ | when I switch acpi on in my bios it cant find my hardware |
| 17:53.16 | karmatronic | Math^: which hardware ? |
| 17:53.23 | Math^ | hdd and network |
| 17:53.42 | Math^ | karmatronic: building a new kernel sounds like a plan |
| 17:53.48 | justin | sppt: check the cd on another machine |
| 17:53.48 | Math^ | but I realy dont know how to do that |
| 17:53.51 | Schiz0 | anyone? |
| 17:54.09 | sppt | justin, can i just put the iso on my usb drive, some way? |
| 17:54.19 | justin | sppt: you can install from usb, yes |
| 17:54.34 | karmatronic | Math^: try to add noapic nolapic to your grub kernel line |
| 17:54.48 | sppt | justin, how do i put the netinst cd on my usb drive then? just unpack it? |
| 17:54.49 | karmatronic | Math^: but with acpi enabled in the bios |
| 17:54.49 | Math^ | karmatronic: ok... instead of acpi=off ? |
| 17:54.50 | Math^ | or both |
| 17:54.54 | karmatronic | Math^: both |
| 17:54.56 | Math^ | ah ok |
| 17:55.02 | karmatronic | Math^: and noacpi too :9 |
| 17:55.03 | Math^ | karmatronic: ty, I'll try that |
| 17:55.04 | karmatronic | :) |
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| 17:55.17 | justin | sppt: not exactly, the install guide explains how to use usb for booting |
| 17:55.21 | sppt | ok |
| 17:55.46 | Rsavu | is ircd-hybrid any good? |
| 17:55.49 | karmatronic | Math^: so when you have more experience , you can try a newer kernel to see if it solves the pb |
| 17:56.02 | Math^ | :) |
| 17:56.30 | sppt | justin, there's a small problem though, i dont have linux installed right now |
| 17:56.46 | pavillion | anyone know how to read man pages? |
| 17:56.55 | karmatronic | pavillion: man man |
| 17:57.21 | waltz | you know what is lacking, in my observation |
| 17:57.32 | pavillion | could some read man imwheel and tell me the command to make mouse thumb do <return> on keyboard |
| 17:57.34 | waltz | in regards to man pages, lacking is the ability to look up by section |
| 17:57.35 | justin | sppt: you can setup the disk from windows too I think, you just need the right tools |
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| 17:57.59 | sppt | alright then i guess i should get a different cd? |
| 17:58.06 | sppt | cant be bothered doing that :P |
| 17:58.14 | edico | hello |
| 17:58.18 | pavillion | I wish man pages had examples |
| 17:58.24 | sppt | bbl |
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| 17:58.28 | waltz | pavillion: some do, others don't |
| 17:58.31 | cusco | they do |
| 17:58.36 | edico | where I can get nice wallpapers with debian? |
| 17:58.46 | waltz | really though, we should be able to print only certain sections of manual pages |
| 17:58.50 | waltz | why can't we do this |
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| 17:59.07 | cusco | edico: anywere on teh www |
| 17:59.26 | jetscreamer | edico: art.gimp.org or so |
| 17:59.42 | edico | thanks |
| 17:59.50 | Math^ | karmatronic: ty, very very much :)) it seems like its working this way! |
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| 17:59.55 | moshii | edico:the desktop-base package has some debian wallpaers and kdm etc themes |
| 17:59.55 | jetscreamer | edico: there is a package for gnome to d/l that automagically |
| 18:00.00 | jetscreamer | and install |
| 18:00.01 | karmatronic | Math^: you re welcome :) |
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| 18:00.33 | Math^ | karmatronic: I've enabled ACPI in my bios with in grub: noapic nolapic noacpi acpi=off and it runs ok now :) |
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| 18:01.21 | faclon | hey does someone had trouble using root-port on debian etch? It crash every time I want to load it |
| 18:01.30 | pavillion | from /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h file I have determined that <return> is #define XK_Return 0xff0d, so how do I map thumb button to <return> using imwheel? |
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| 18:02.42 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 18:02.55 | jetscreamer | that would be disabled |
| 18:02.59 | KomiaPoika | an xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-dev |
| 18:03.00 | jetscreamer | not enabled |
| 18:03.22 | KomiaPoika | an xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-dev update screwed my nvidia drivers, how can i reinstall them? |
| 18:03.37 | jetscreamer | same way you installed them |
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| 18:04.53 | sco50000 | so, parted can't resize mounted partitions? |
| 18:04.59 | jetscreamer | (one of) the symlink that got screwed up is /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so KomiaPoika |
| 18:05.07 | jetscreamer | not sure if there are more |
| 18:05.08 | sco50000 | i need to resize my "/" and "/home" partitions |
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| 18:07.02 | pavillion | so I added to /ect/X11/imwhell/imwheelrc at the bottom "*" none, thumb1, XK_Return, but it didn't do anything |
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| 18:08.07 | fabio | hi |
| 18:08.33 | soulin | Hello..One question: how can I install flash plugin in debian lenyy i386?I think it doesn' t exist in portage or I cannot find it :S |
| 18:09.00 | justin | soulin: portage? :) |
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| 18:09.09 | Nyle | mornin |
| 18:09.17 | Nyle | er.. afternoon w/e ;) |
| 18:09.28 | fabio | sorry guys...i have download the netinstall iso of 30mb ( business ) but during install ( expertgui）my wifi card（intel bg2200 ) isn't recognize...why? |
| 18:09.30 | soulin | justin: whell apt package repository :-P |
| 18:10.04 | Nyle | !mmhr |
| 18:10.05 | dpkg | [mmhr] Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 18:10.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: great video |
| 18:10.51 | jetscreamer | need a maximum hw requirements faq too |
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| 18:11.10 | jetscreamer | fabio: later hw isn't well supported, try kmuto |
| 18:11.10 | Nyle | write one |
| 18:11.13 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 18:11.14 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:11.23 | soulin | anyone? |
| 18:11.44 | jetscreamer | soulin: it's in contrib or non-free |
| 18:11.47 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 18:11.47 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 18:11.47 | Nyle | as I understand, intel has released everything to open source? |
| 18:11.54 | howlingmadhowie | soulin: if you want, you can download the plugin from adobe and throw it in /var/lib/firefox/plugins or whatever browser you're using |
| 18:11.55 | Nyle | like, intel is the best supported in linux? or something |
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| 18:12.16 | Nyle | anything intel just works out the box man |
| 18:12.18 | Nyle | its great |
| 18:12.36 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i have to go to mardi gras and set up a fashion show and be provided a hotel room now and hang out with models and stuff... life's rough. later. |
| 18:12.37 | soulin | howlingmadhowie: I could do that , but I think then I will have to do it everytime firefox gets updated correct? |
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| 18:13.06 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hey have fun.. I was going to fly down there too but I can't |
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| 18:13.19 | soulin | jetscreamer: strange , i have both contrib and non-free repos..I may not search well :-P |
| 18:13.20 | Nyle | in a few months though |
| 18:13.33 | Nyle | soulin: debian doesn't have firefox |
| 18:13.36 | sco50000 | how can i resize my "/" and "/home" partitions? parted won't let me resize them because they are mounted? |
| 18:13.38 | Nyle | soulin: where did you get firefox |
| 18:13.44 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/mozilla or firefox/ |
| 18:13.53 | simonrvn | not /var |
| 18:13.55 | soulin | Nyle: ok the fork , iceweasel one and the same |
| 18:13.56 | soulin | :-P |
| 18:14.00 | Nyle | ok |
| 18:14.03 | Nyle | and this is debian |
| 18:14.07 | acemi | soulin: iceweasel can install it when you visit a page which has flash anim |
| 18:14.09 | Nyle | where did you get portage from |
| 18:14.20 | Nyle | soulin: are you sure you aren't using gentoo? |
| 18:14.29 | howlingmadhowie | soulin: no, it will stay there when firefox is updated. however, the flash plugin itself will never get updated |
| 18:14.42 | soulin | Nyle: ok soulin@souland:~$ cat /etc/issue |
| 18:14.42 | soulin | Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l |
| 18:15.14 | Nyle | oh, well i use the flash nonfree plugin |
| 18:15.35 | yzaLyzarC | Is it technically difficult to move the home partition from one hardrive to another harddrive. |
| 18:15.39 | yzaLyzarC | ? |
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| 18:15.52 | simonrvn | soulin: there is no portage in debian, /join #gentoo |
| 18:15.53 | howlingmadhowie | simonrvn: did i type /var ? sorry, just woken up *yawn* |
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| 18:16.08 | simonrvn | howlingmadhowie: heh' |
| 18:16.12 | yzaLyzarC | It isnt an induvidual partition. It is a folder on one harddisk. |
| 18:16.17 | soulin | Nyle: could you please give me the exact name , because apt-cache doesn't find anything if i give : apt-cache search flash nonfree? |
| 18:16.31 | Nyle | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:16.43 | fabio | jetscreamer: i will have the same problem if i downlad the netinstall is of 150mb? |
| 18:16.49 | Nyle | soulin: slow bot |
| 18:16.57 | soulin | simonrvn: Oh..I think I made it clear before..I meant the apt package repository..Sorry for the inconvinience |
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| 18:17.06 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.115.0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 18:17.08 | sco50000 | soulin have you done "apt-get update" since you added the contrib and non-free repos? |
| 18:17.12 | to_ | hi, I'd like to install VHCS on my debian etch but I can't find it in official repository... Why isn't present? Do you know a alternative repository? |
| 18:18.11 | yzaLyzarC | Would moving the entire debian instalation from one 10 5400rpm to another 80 7400rpm hd be best? Or only move the home folder ho needs the space? |
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| 18:18.37 | Nyle | yzaLyzarC: same computer? |
| 18:18.41 | yzaLyzarC | yes |
| 18:18.46 | Nyle | yzaLyzarC: debian clone |
| 18:18.56 | Nyle | maybe |
| 18:19.12 | yzaLyzarC | Can I clone a MBR? |
| 18:19.24 | soulin | http://rafb.net/p/4Rb42h99.html |
| 18:19.26 | Nyle | why not |
| 18:19.33 | soulin | and yes sco50000 I did the update |
| 18:19.38 | zinx | yzaLyzarC: take care to preserve the partition table |
| 18:19.57 | yzaLyzarC | Shouldnt I make the partitions bigger? |
| 18:20.13 | soulin | (sid) hmm may I need the sid packages too? |
| 18:20.14 | Nyle | I don't knwo the best way to do this, but maybe just copy everything over and then grub-install /new/hdd/here and then make sure menu.lst is good |
| 18:20.15 | zinx | yzaLyzarC: i mean, if you already have the partitions/data on the new drive |
| 18:20.23 | zinx | yzaLyzarC: the partition table is stored in the MBR |
| 18:20.23 | amphi | yzaLyzarC: you could just rsync from old to new, having partitioned the new one |
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| 18:20.55 | Nyle | just copy stuff over and install grub |
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| 18:21.20 | Nyle | it would be a lot faster if you hooked up the new hdd as a slave |
| 18:21.34 | Nyle | I dunno if you're trying to do this over the net or what |
| 18:21.36 | lucas__ | is there a workaround for evolution in lenny, so i can get mail with ssl? |
| 18:21.47 | yzaLyzarC | So can I copy the 10gb disk/partition over to a 20gb partition on the new disk (since I have some data on the new disk I want to keep)? |
| 18:22.07 | yzaLyzarC | Is it enough to manually copy files as root? |
| 18:22.35 | Nyle | http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1375/ |
| 18:22.37 | Nyle | take a peek |
| 18:22.41 | amphi | yzaLyzarC: cp -a will preserve ownership and permissions |
| 18:22.53 | yzaLyzarC | Ok |
| 18:23.22 | Nyle | Cloning with Partition Image |
| 18:23.28 | yzaLyzarC | Is there any problems only having the owner of their home folder able to read/execute it? |
| 18:23.37 | yzaLyzarC | As the only one... |
| 18:23.52 | Nyle | this thing is like an open source norton ghost |
| 18:23.57 | Nyle | its fanfiggintastik |
| 18:24.09 | yzaLyzarC | Ok, does it have a gui? |
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| 18:24.25 | Nyle | i have given you a link |
| 18:24.27 | Nyle | read it |
| 18:24.37 | lucas__ | is there a workaround for evolution in lenny, so i can get mail with ssl? |
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| 18:24.58 | amphi | why would you want to clone the partition, as opposed to cp-ing the files to the new partition? |
| 18:26.45 | yzaLyzarC | Not sure, thats why I'm asking you... |
| 18:26.49 | fabio | what's the differences between businesscard and netinstall iso? |
| 18:26.59 | Nyle | about a 100mb |
| 18:27.07 | fabio | :) |
| 18:27.09 | Nyle | :D |
| 18:27.25 | fabio | other differences? |
| 18:27.30 | amphi | yzaLyzarC: I would mount the new partition somewhere, and cp -a myself |
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| 18:27.41 | yzaLyzarC | Ok |
| 18:27.49 | yzaLyzarC | And then reinstall grub? |
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| 18:27.55 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 18:28.01 | Nyle | fabio: read |
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| 18:28.13 | Nyle | its right there |
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| 18:28.21 | Nyle | in your face |
| 18:28.26 | Nyle | I hope you don't miss it |
| 18:28.27 | Nyle | :) |
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| 18:28.40 | fabio | Nyle, thankyoi |
| 18:28.41 | muh2000 | hi |
| 18:28.43 | fabio | u |
| 18:28.43 | howlingmadhowie | how strange. a ./configure just stopped running on me |
| 18:28.57 | sppt | just wondering, when you use the default install, do you get to partition the drive yourself? |
| 18:29.00 | yzaLyzarC | How long time to copy 10gb on an old computer? |
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| 18:29.09 | Timo^ | Hi. |
| 18:29.15 | muh2000 | i have a problem with my apache2 server: Starting web server: apache2/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 80: 5805 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -k $ARGV failed! it is debian x86_64 lenny |
| 18:29.34 | Timo^ | anyone knows which file tells you which users and which groups are registerd on debian ? |
| 18:29.38 | howlingmadhowie | yzaLyzarC: from harddrive to harddrive over dma? |
| 18:29.53 | yzaLyzarC | dma? IDE hd to hd. |
| 18:30.00 | Nyle | about 10-20mb/s |
| 18:30.08 | Nyle | 5400rpm drives are slow |
| 18:30.12 | Nyle | especially old ones |
| 18:30.12 | sppt | what's the best FS, reiser or ext3? |
| 18:30.20 | Nyle | ext3 if you have to ask |
| 18:30.25 | Nyle | !fscomparison |
| 18:30.28 | Nyle | godamit |
| 18:30.31 | Timo^ | anyone ? |
| 18:30.45 | lucas__ | !help |
| 18:30.48 | lucas__ | :) |
| 18:30.52 | sppt | but, i want to become a wife murderer too! :( |
| 18:30.52 | Nyle | !fs comparison |
| 18:30.54 | dpkg | from memory, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 18:31.11 | Timo^ | !help |
| 18:31.13 | Timo^ | ;p |
| 18:31.22 | howlingmadhowie | Timo^: have a look in /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
| 18:31.24 | muh2000 | Timo^: /etc/passwd /etc/group ? |
| 18:31.32 | muh2000 | damn too slow |
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| 18:32.12 | Timo^ | thanks |
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| 18:32.30 | howlingmadhowie | how strange. ./configure just froze on me again... |
| 18:32.45 | sppt | the default install from the netinst cd lets you partition the drive yourself, right? |
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| 18:32.49 | DocPlatypus | sppt: yes |
| 18:32.50 | sppt | i dont want to destroy my data :\ |
| 18:32.56 | sppt | good :) |
| 18:32.57 | edico | where I can get desktop documentation for debian? |
| 18:32.58 | Timo^ | okay |
| 18:33.06 | Timo^ | when i made a change how to confirm ? |
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| 18:33.19 | abrotman | edico: documentation on what? |
| 18:33.28 | yzaLyzarC | what software is good for complete removal of files? |
| 18:33.40 | abrotman | !info libshred etch |
| 18:33.43 | amphi | yzaLyzarC: shred perhaps |
| 18:33.46 | abrotman | !info shred etch |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | argh |
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| 18:34.07 | SixT6 | !tell abrotman about shred |
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| 18:34.17 | abrotman | SixT6: uhm . stop? |
| 18:34.19 | SixT6 | That didn't work =P |
| 18:34.20 | Timo^ | apply* |
| 18:34.25 | Timo^ | in /etc/passwd |
| 18:34.30 | DawnLight | hello. i have some html source that's been generated with a wysiwyg editor that doesn't care about standards. i'm looking for a way to violently parse all the non-standard crap out of it. any ideas? |
| 18:34.36 | yzaLyzarC | !tell yzaLyzarC about shred |
| 18:34.46 | SixT6 | abrotman: Sorry, wrong person as well =P |
| 18:35.04 | abrotman | maybe it was libtrash ... |
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| 18:35.15 | DocPlatypus | I periodically do a "dd if=/dev/zero of=slackspace ; sync ; sleep 5 ; rm slackspace" to get rid of deleted file remnants |
| 18:35.20 | abrotman | oh wait .. that was totally different |
| 18:35.58 | edico | I search docummentation about installation, configuration of desktop apps |
| 18:36.08 | DocPlatypus | for USB pen drives I'll dump and restore the entire drive zeroing out the whole block device in between |
| 18:36.18 | DocPlatypus | again, just every once in a while |
| 18:36.33 | biz | wipe! :-) |
| 18:37.06 | abrotman | edico: you're being a bit vague |
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| 18:37.10 | lucas__ | :) |
| 18:37.31 | to_ | Does somenone know why vhcs isn't present in official debian's repositories? I believed it was an opensource project nevertheless... :/ |
| 18:37.49 | edico | I want to make 3d acceleration |
| 18:37.56 | abrotman | edico: which video card? |
| 18:38.01 | abrotman | to_: license? |
| 18:38.03 | biz | to_: dfsg perhaps? |
| 18:38.20 | edico | ati radeon 9550 gpu rv350 |
| 18:38.38 | abrotman | !tell edico about fglrx one-liner |
| 18:38.42 | sco50000 | how do i burn an iso image to a disk from the commandline? |
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| 18:39.15 | abrotman | sco50000: cdrecord/wodim |
| 18:39.15 | to_ | do you know a debian's supported cpanel project? |
| 18:39.19 | tomasso | anyone ever install the tomcat on debian? |
| 18:39.23 | DocPlatypus | VHCS is not free software from the looks of it |
| 18:39.29 | sco50000 | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:39.30 | abrotman | to_: there are no web admin tools in debian for general system admin |
| 18:39.32 | DocPlatypus | whether or not it's free enough to qualify as open sores, is anyone's guess |
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| 18:39.49 | Timo^ | Hi. |
| 18:39.59 | Timo^ | can anyone can help me with this problem : http://pastebin.ca/887918 |
| 18:40.13 | Timo^ | its from the apt sources from debian sid |
| 18:40.29 | abrotman | Timo^: fix your apache config |
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| 18:40.31 | Timo^ | but can't figure apache2.2.8.1 to work |
| 18:40.57 | fabio | anyone knows sidux? there are a lot of differences between sidux and debian sid? |
| 18:41.05 | abrotman | fabio: sidux is not debian |
| 18:41.46 | fabio | abrotman, ok i understund |
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| 18:42.58 | Timo^ | abrotman : which config ? apache2.conf ? cuz the error repeats 3 times and i have 3 vhosts configured |
| 18:43.17 | abrotman | Timo^: they're not configured correctly .. if you need help configuring apache .. see #apache |
| 18:43.37 | Timo^ | yes i am trying to get help there |
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| 18:46.05 | Supaplex | what the alternate way to grep for tabs? This fails with \t or \060: guest_if=eth0 grep -A 10 ${guest_if} /etc/network/interfaces | egrep "^[\t ]*address " |
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| 18:46.45 | Nicark | lucas__: |
| 18:46.54 | lucas__ | what's up? |
| 18:46.59 | lucas__ | Nicark: |
| 18:47.15 | Nicark | you're using gnome? :P |
| 18:47.18 | lucas__ | yes |
| 18:47.20 | lucas__ | in lenny |
| 18:47.34 | Nicark | y q tal? |
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| 18:47.40 | lucas__ | chumascalo |
| 18:47.41 | lucas__ | xD |
| 18:47.45 | abrotman | english |
| 18:47.49 | lucas__ | sorry :X |
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| 18:51.51 | howlingmadhowie | a word of wisdom to all those people running linux on an old sgi-box: don't interrupt the boot process to play with the openboot firmware |
| 18:52.22 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: a word of enjoyment .. run IRIX |
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| 18:52.43 | lucas__ | irix FTW! :) |
| 18:52.51 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: i'd like to give irix a go, but i haven't been able to find a version for my indy :( |
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| 18:53.27 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: you need an antique version .. the sgi website would have EOL info |
| 18:53.33 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: ebay |
| 18:53.38 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: so i'm running debian on it, and it works great :) |
| 18:53.41 | dkr | Supaplex: | perl -ne'print if /^\s*address/' |
| 18:53.41 | abrotman | (which doesn't cover a license .. just media) |
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| 18:54.10 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: i'm not a big fan of proprietary software. even my ultra10 is running opensolaris :-D |
| 18:54.16 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: eh .. whatever |
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| 18:54.59 | dkr | I remember installing irix with a 1x cd-rom drive. sloooooow. |
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| 18:55.13 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: it was a joke, okay? :) |
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| 18:55.33 | Supaplex | dkr: cool. thanks :) |
| 18:55.41 | Supaplex | perl -ne'print "$1\n" if /^\s*address ([0-9.]+)/' |
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| 18:56.38 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: my thing is that you *can* run debian almost anywhere .. but i always thought it was more fun when you have hardware like that to run what it was meant for .. irix/aix/solaris/Tru64/etc |
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| 18:57.36 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: it would be fun to try irix, i agree. i just can't imagine being able to get my work done with it |
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| 18:58.30 | KomiaPoika | how can i tell which graphics card i got on the system? |
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| 18:58.33 | abrotman | howlingmadhowie: depends what oyu mean by "work" :0 |
| 18:58.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:58.39 | abrotman | KomiaPoika: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 19:01.28 | howlingmadhowie | abrotman: well, seeing as i'm using an sgi indy, you can imagine that my work doesn't entail adding effects to videos :) |
| 19:01.51 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:07.48 | pobega | I'm having a problem with Bitlbee, it was working this morning, but now all it does is log me in and then lag after I type any sort of command (blist, for example) |
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| 19:18.14 | marko | hi, what's the right channel to ask about gtk programming? (#gtk has almost nobody) |
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| 19:20.47 | asulao | marko: there's a gnome specific irc server. don't remember which. |
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| 19:21.16 | Guerin | irc.gnome.org |
| 19:21.36 | marko | thx :) |
| 19:21.55 | mutante | IRC support for iceweasel here or on mozilla or elsewhere? |
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| 19:22.24 | zamuro | lol |
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| 19:22.41 | DocPlatypus | mutante: probably on Mozilla's server |
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| 19:23.11 | zamuro | ¿Qué es mejor? ¿Emacs o vi? |
| 19:23.16 | KomiaPoika | how do i list loaded modules |
| 19:23.24 | Guerin | lsmod |
| 19:23.31 | zamuro | Oops... Wrong channel xD |
| 19:23.43 | Guerin | zamuro: emacs! |
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| 19:25.55 | howlingmadhowie | emacs :) |
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| 19:26.50 | asg | !start an editor war |
| 19:26.50 | dpkg | xemacs sucks |
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| 19:28.03 | akuwamari | i am looking for a 3D application to create something like this http://www.design3d.es/home/pinteriores.htm |
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| 19:30.27 | akuwamari | ? |
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| 19:31.39 | simonrvn | i like emacs better, but i still use vim often |
| 19:31.49 | cizzi | do athlon cpu's work well with debian/linux? never tried one |
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| 19:33.08 | simonrvn | they're x86 ;) |
| 19:33.17 | benjamindees | better than what? |
| 19:33.18 | Supaplex | why is aptitude ignoring files in sources.list.d? strace -e open .. 2>&1 | grep sources.list.d shows: open("/etc/apt/sources.list.d/", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 4 |
| 19:33.26 | amphi | akuwamari: you could do that with povray, but you might not like it ;) |
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| 19:33.51 | howlingmadhowie | blender ftw :) |
| 19:33.57 | akuwamari | amphi: why? |
| 19:33.57 | simonrvn | benjamindees: liking it better than vim |
| 19:34.15 | simonrvn | Supaplex: WorksForMe |
| 19:34.29 | amphi | akuwamari: it has no interface; I use vim as a 'modeler' for povray |
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| 19:34.40 | Supaplex | simonrvn: humm ok. fresh etch install here. |
| 19:34.41 | akuwamari | damm |
| 19:34.56 | akuwamari | how you made a model of a car, for example? |
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| 19:35.10 | simonrvn | Supaplex: migh not work in etch. i haven't tried it on an etch box |
| 19:35.23 | benjamindees | simonrvn, er, sorry I conflated your and cizzi's statements; meant to ask him; though personally I like nano :D |
| 19:35.25 | Supaplex | ohhh they have to end in .list |
| 19:35.37 | simonrvn | it's opening it it seems, so it probably does. same format as the main conf |
| 19:35.49 | simonrvn | benjamindees: np |
| 19:35.56 | amphi | akuwamari: I've never tried ;) I expect you'd need to use a proper modeler, and use meshes - kpovmodeler is one, but I've never used it |
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| 19:36.12 | benjamindees | cizzi, yes both amd and intel cpus work fine in linux |
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| 19:38.13 | benjamindees | you may find some problems with intel embedded graphics and with amd power savings, but one is usually no better supported than the other |
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| 19:39.22 | benjamindees | and those are motherboard chipset issues anyways, not cpu |
| 19:39.52 | benjamindees | so invest in a good mb ;) |
| 19:40.01 | jelly-home | I didn't know intel made chipsets for amd cpus |
| 19:40.11 | enzo | if i want to install debian testing, i can only download the kde-CD-1 of http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/, and install the other packages by the net ? |
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| 19:40.55 | benjamindees | jelly-home, they don't afaik |
| 19:40.56 | harish_ | how do i uninstall x, uninstalled gnome and such, but it still has an interface for logging in and such, i just want it to go straight to tty |
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| 19:41.29 | jelly-home | benjamindees: I don't get the mention of intel graphics then |
| 19:41.54 | harish_ | nevermind, aptitude remove x-window-system :) |
| 19:42.10 | jelly-home | ... benjamindees, I'm just stupid. nevermind |
| 19:43.00 | spacix | I have got this setup -> a wireless mac connecting to a wireless router (is no DHCP or server whatsoever) then the router connecting to the debian system (system arranges DHCP etc) and that system connecting to the real isp router. Can I use IP tables with this scenario to block certain websites from being visited |
| 19:44.25 | DragonD | I have a dedicated server running debian. I'm looking for a control panel that will handle ftpd httpd email bind mysql etc etc. and i was also thinging about running it all chrooted in /srv... any suggestions? |
| 19:45.03 | harish_ | webmin probably |
| 19:45.25 | sharperguy | !kde4 |
| 19:45.25 | dpkg | it has been said that kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 19:45.40 | harish_ | j,, |
| 19:45.52 | harish_ | hmm..* 'starting apple talk services (this will take a while)' |
| 19:45.58 | enzo | lenny is expected in a soon future ? |
| 19:46.02 | harish_ | while starting up.. how do i uninstall this? it sounds unecessary |
| 19:46.07 | enzo | (soon meaning several months) |
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| 19:46.53 | Supaplex | !when will lenny release |
| 19:46.53 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
| 19:47.02 | enzo | ok |
| 19:47.13 | enzo | so lenny will be released in 2009 |
| 19:47.14 | DocPlatypus | wow they are fast tracking lenny aren't they? |
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| 19:47.18 | Supaplex | do be suprised if it's not 2008 |
| 19:47.24 | Supaplex | *dont* |
| 19:47.32 | DragonD | harish_: webmin? what about syscp ispconfig and the others? webmin is the only one i have ever used and didn't like it much. |
| 19:47.35 | DocPlatypus | the ink is still wet on my etch CDs |
| 19:47.39 | enzo | surely not Supaplex |
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| 19:48.14 | harish_ | DragonD, i've used ispconfig and webmin.. and ispconfig bugged me. webmin is the best out of the two imo |
| 19:48.22 | xerophytev | how can i set my date to display UTC |
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| 19:48.57 | asr` | hello |
| 19:49.00 | Supaplex | xerophytev: date -u, or tzselect |
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| 19:49.05 | asr` | a card ATI IIC AGP |
| 19:49.16 | asr` | which driver is it (xorg / debian 4.0) |
| 19:49.21 | Supaplex | !tell asr` -about ati |
| 19:49.23 | xerophytev | Supaplex: in the tzselect which zone am i looking for UTC |
| 19:50.31 | DragonD | harish_: hmm, i just created a debian virtualpc, i created a snapshot of the first install so i think i'll use that to try out one then another etc |
| 19:50.31 | Schiz0 | xerophytev: UTC is the same as GMT |
| 19:50.32 | Supaplex | !timezone |
| 19:50.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
| 19:51.10 | asr` | h ! I have no compiler on this box |
| 19:51.16 | harish_ | DragonD, you can just manage it all through ssh |
| 19:51.17 | Supaplex | that symlink breaks when /usr is mounted elsewhere. |
| 19:51.25 | Supaplex | !tell asr` -about build-essential |
| 19:51.31 | harish_ | (depending on how much you need to manage) |
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| 19:51.39 | Supaplex | dpkg: timezone =~ s/ln -s/cp/ |
| 19:51.40 | dpkg | Supaplex: OK |
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| 19:52.04 | harish_ | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 19:52.04 | harish_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.04 | harish_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.09 | harish_ | when running aptitude upgrade |
| 19:52.10 | DragonD | harish_: that's what i'm doing now. but i have a few "business" partners bugging me for access to add and manage settings and crap |
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| 19:52.14 | harish_ | right. |
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| 19:52.48 | asr` | Hum. I mean, I have a sooo slow computer thazt it is not a human task to compile in it. |
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| 19:52.53 | DragonD | harish_: that means the linux kernel is held at the current version but a newer one is adviable |
| 19:52.55 | asr` | And I have no other box to do the stuff |
| 19:53.17 | Supaplex | asr`: well, unless it's precompiled, good luck with that. |
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| 19:53.21 | Supaplex | !tell asr` -about search |
| 19:53.26 | DragonD | sorry for my spelling i spell better in code. |
| 19:53.56 | Supaplex | DragonD: you can spells pwefect lolcodes ;) |
| 19:54.17 | TimRiker | I'm looking for a simple tool under debian to get a dhcp reply _without_ changing any network settings. just show me what would happen. anyone have a suggestion? |
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| 19:54.25 | harish_ | DragonD, should i upgrade the linux kernel? how? |
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| 19:54.34 | John_Scrotum | Hello tombhadAC, welcome to #debian |
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| 19:55.10 | John_Scrotum | Hello NickBurnsSNL, welcome to #debian |
| 19:55.15 | asr` | So, return back to my initial question. For an ATI IIC, Have I any alternative instead of comile a new ATI kernel you gave me (thank for it) ? |
| 19:55.18 | dondelelcaro | John_Scrotum: please stop doing that. |
| 19:55.23 | DragonD | harish_: i'm not sure how to do it with apt i use aptitude... |
| 19:55.35 | harish_ | i use aptitude as well |
| 19:55.59 | John_Scrotum | dondelelca: Stop doing what? |
| 19:56.06 | Supaplex | John_Scrotum: 19:53 < John_Scrotum> Hello NickBurnsSNL, welcome to #debian |
| 19:56.32 | NickBurnsSNL | Supaplex: Greetings and salutations .. thank you. |
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| 19:57.02 | harish_ | DragonD, how would you do it with aptitude? |
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| 19:57.17 | John_Scrotum | dondelelca: Is it poor etiquette to welcome folks to the channel? Is it againt the channel policy? Or is it just annoying? |
| 19:57.20 | tiberius0101 | degel3030: soundz like my situation |
| 19:57.33 | tiberius0101 | sry. wrong channel |
| 19:57.37 | Supaplex | TimRiker: maybe if I know why. eg, whereami might apply... |
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| 19:57.54 | Supaplex | John_Scrotum: it's akin to <enter> - too noisy for the channel. |
| 19:57.54 | asr` | OK. Last question : since this dist-upgrade, apt complains about package signature. Which is the reight package to reinstall ? |
| 19:57.58 | Supaplex | !tell John_Scrotum -about enter |
| 19:58.24 | Supaplex | asr`: public key? see /topic |
| 19:58.25 | DragonD | harish_: just install the newer package. packa |
| 19:58.50 | John_Scrotum | dondelelca: I see. |
| 19:58.59 | harish_ | thanks |
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| 19:59.01 | harish_ | d'oh |
| 19:59.01 | harish_ | haha |
| 19:59.05 | TimRiker | Supaplex: I have a set of machines that I need to dual boot. I want each image to test to see that it's the "right" image based on what it gets from dhcp, and reboot to the other image if its not. NOT change it's network settings to match what the other image should use. |
| 19:59.10 | dondelelcaro | John_Scrotum: all of the above, generally. If you know someone personally, it's not a big deal, but it shouldn't happen all the time. |
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| 19:59.39 | TimRiker | iirc whereami tells you what it found _after_ putting you there. that's not what I want. |
| 19:59.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Point WRT leprosy. |
| 19:59.58 | asr` | Oh.... I see the first letters of a sentence : PUBLIC KEY NO....[T AVAILABLE ?] |
| 20:00.03 | NickBurnsSNL | John_Scrotum: I might agree with dondelelcaro , but thank you, most channels could care less. ;) |
| 20:00.04 | asr` | (my term is 70 cars) |
| 20:00.14 | John_Scrotum | dondelelca: Sorry. I was just fiddling around with macros. |
| 20:01.00 | dondelelcaro | John_Scrotum: that's what I guessed. |
| 20:01.00 | asr` | thx |
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| 20:01.12 | dondelelcaro | (as a general rule, any time you're not actually typing what you're saying into this channel, you shouldn't be doing that ;-)) |
| 20:01.47 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: with the exception of nick completion right? |
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| 20:01.59 | al3ks | hi everyone |
| 20:02.20 | al3ks | Im upgrading my kernel to 2.6.22 by synaptic |
| 20:02.42 | TimRiker | Supaplex: under some "other" distros, there is a dhcpcd-test that shows the results of the dhcp test. it's a vendor hack that unfortunately is now integral to what I'm trying to replace. |
| 20:03.11 | al3ks | and Im curious what should I install else to make everything good u know linux-hearders and stuff like that to won't have problems in future caused by this upgrade |
| 20:03.15 | al3ks | ??!! |
| 20:03.17 | DocPlatypus | TimRiker: I'm assuming it's not available as free software? |
| 20:03.17 | DragonD | where do you set the nameservers? |
| 20:03.19 | al3ks | any suggestion ? |
| 20:03.38 | Supaplex | DragonD: /etc/resolv.conf or via dhcp |
| 20:03.56 | TimRiker | DocPlatypus: just butt ugly patches on outdated versions of dhcpcd that are tied to other vendor cruft. |
| 20:03.59 | Gm4n | I know this isn't a debian-specific question, but does anyone here happen to know anything about modem initialization strings? |
| 20:04.05 | DragonD | i'd like to use dhcp but with a static nameserver |
| 20:04.09 | TimRiker | I'd much rather use an already included debian package. |
| 20:04.28 | amphi | Gm4n: IIRC, wvdial is quite good at figuring them out |
| 20:04.52 | John_Scrotum | I have a quick question about bash tab completion and xterm. For some reason tab completion does not work in xterm. It works in the gnome terminal but not in the xterm, which I actually prefer to use. Is there a way to get this to work in xterm? |
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| 20:04.54 | TimRiker | DragonD: with dhclient you can modify the nameserver settings in the dhclient.conf if you like. |
| 20:04.55 | Gm4n | amphi, the trick is I'm not using the modem to dial into the internet :-/ |
| 20:05.04 | DragonD | TimRiker: thanks |
| 20:05.43 | amphi | Gm4n: ah ;) |
| 20:05.59 | TimRiker | John_Scrotum: it works for me in bash+urxvt. what is TERM set to in both cases? |
| 20:06.02 | amphi | Gm4n: a google for AT commands should turn up lists of them; I used to have such a list |
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| 20:06.17 | Gm4n | are they modem dependent, amphi? |
| 20:06.51 | asr` | Sorry. I leave to keep e few more lines. Good night to europeans, good day to americans. |
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| 20:07.00 | TimRiker | Gm4n: to some extent, yes. |
| 20:07.01 | John_Scrotum | TimRiker: One moment... I have to check. I'm not actually using my Debian box at the moment. |
| 20:07.15 | al3ks | ok I see nobody can answer my basic question u want me to screw my system ;p |
| 20:07.32 | amphi | Gm4n: most should be compatible with any modem, I think, and then there are others that are modem-specific |
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| 20:07.38 | ben1597 | hey all. I'm looking for some numbers on the number of packages in lenny main, contrib. |
| 20:07.40 | TimRiker | Gm4n: some modems even include help pages. try ATI ATI1 ... ATI9 and see if you're lucky. |
| 20:07.50 | amphi | Gm4n: you should be able to find the list for your model |
| 20:08.23 | justin | Gm4n: google for HAYES AT command reference |
| 20:08.58 | TimRiker | John_Scrotum: np. I'll keep looking. the newer versions of dhcpcd may have even added similar features. I wonder what I need to do to get automated installs to use dhcpcd instead of dhclient... /me heads off on that tangent. |
| 20:09.12 | Supaplex | what's that package to creat a bundle of packages as dependencies? |
| 20:09.13 | Gm4n | thanks, justin, amphi, TimRiker :) |
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| 20:09.48 | TimRiker | Gm4n: I think some used at&h or at$ for help. it's been too long. :) |
| 20:10.33 | ben1597 | I've done some searching, but I can't find any current numbers. |
| 20:10.35 | DragonD | hmmm, it seems imcp is block somewhere along my completed vituralpc -> internet route... it goes.. vpc -> nat to laptop -> ad hod to desktop -> ICS to router -> pppoe |
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| 20:10.40 | Gm4n | TimRiker, how do you talk to the modem? I'm just saying echo "whatever" > /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 20:11.11 | ben1597 | I'm tempted to do a count using the complete package lists, but I'm not sure whether convention excludes dummy packages / libraries. |
| 20:11.41 | TimRiker | Gm4n: I prefer "minicom" but there are other ways. |
| 20:11.54 | TimRiker | Gm4n: the cat will work, but you won't see the output. |
| 20:12.18 | TimRiker | uucp includes a simple serial port app. I forget the 2 letter name. anyone? |
| 20:13.36 | john_scr1tum | TimRiker: TERM is set to xterm in both instances. Tab completion appears to be working in both now as well. For some reason it wasn't working last night. Hmmm... |
| 20:14.02 | john_scr1tum | What would have caused it to stop working do you think? |
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| 20:14.25 | Supaplex | TimRiker: I know it's in the screen man page. screen /dev/ttySx |
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| 20:14.48 | TimRiker | john_scr1tum: dunno. try "exec bash" and be sure it still works. else it may be a profile vs bashrc thing. |
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| 20:15.05 | edico | what is the default dhcp client in debian etch? |
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| 20:15.20 | TimRiker | Supaplex: ahh! another good choice if you like screen. (which you should :) |
| 20:15.33 | Supaplex | (: |
| 20:15.39 | TimRiker | Gm4n: are you familiar with screen? |
| 20:15.48 | Gm4n | I am, timriker |
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| 20:17.30 | john_scr1tum | Is it possible that the SHELL could have somehow been set temporarily to SH or some such? That's weird. Anyway, it's working again now. |
| 20:17.41 | Nyle | TimRiker: hi. what was the last time you sync'd apt's db to dpkg's *factoid db* |
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| 20:20.05 | TimRiker | scrotum_john: you never know what shell scripts will try to do to save you from yourself. |
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| 20:20.22 | pdbogen | Is there a way to have Apt only install what are strictly requirements? |
| 20:21.04 | TimRiker | about the first thing I ever do on a new install is enable pgup/pgdn to search the history. vi /etc/inputrc it's a beautiful thing. :) |
| 20:21.13 | karsten | OT: editor wars: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 20:21.24 | TimRiker | Nyle: long long long ago. |
| 20:21.31 | dkr | pdbogen: that is the default, recommendations are not installed. (assuming you meant apt-get or aptitude) |
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| 20:22.06 | TimRiker | Nyle: apt is in many more channels that dpkg. I would not want any of the factoids from other channels removed from apt, and dpkg probably does not want all that drift. |
| 20:22.14 | pdbogen | dkr : Yes, sorry; apt-get |
| 20:22.39 | silber420 | quick poll so i know which one to install - what's the best IRC server for deb? |
| 20:22.58 | TimRiker | Nyle: they will ask each other though, so if you add a new factoid to one, and ask the other, you get a delayed reply, and the factoid gets copied. |
| 20:23.01 | barnum | thats all about preference what features you want etc.. |
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| 20:23.15 | barnum | i run hybrid for one network, unreal for another |
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| 20:23.21 | CartoonCat | Hello all |
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| 20:24.29 | silber420 | thanks i'll check out those two |
| 20:24.51 | Supaplex | how do I create my own metapackage from a list of deps I want in it? (the easy way, I know there's some spiffy util, I forget the name) |
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| 20:25.32 | pdbogen | dkr : My experience doesn't appear to agree with your assertion. This particular command (apt-get install virtualbox, with the sources from virtualbox.org), pulls in a lot of extra packages. Removing them doesn't cause the install to fail, as it would if they were strict dependencies. |
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| 20:25.46 | Supaplex | jablicator looks pretty close. hopefully It won't take everything I have installed. humm |
| 20:26.00 | edico | what dhcp client is on the etch cd installation |
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| 20:26.46 | dkr | pdbogen: then perhaps the creator of that particular package did not correctly differentiate between requires and recommends dependencies |
| 20:27.43 | Supaplex | edico: dpkg -l \*dhcp\* on my fresh etch install shows dhcp3-client dhcp3-common |
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| 20:28.03 | pdbogen | dkr : That explanation doesn't fit the issue. If there were requirements in recommends, they wouldn't get installed, since you say that recommends aren't installed automatically. But, they are getting installed. If there were recommends in requirements, removing them would cause apt to fail. It doesn't. So, apt-get is installing recommends by default. |
| 20:28.22 | Gm4n | TimRiker, may I PM breifly? |
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| 20:28.39 | ratamahatta | hello downtown |
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| 20:28.43 | silber420 | anyone use ratbox for ircd? |
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| 20:29.24 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 20:29.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:29.56 | dkr | pdbogen: why guess? look at exactly what the requirements are |
| 20:30.05 | pdbogen | dkr : I did. |
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| 20:30.21 | pdbogen | dkr : My main problem is, the requirements *also* have recommendations I don't want to isntall, and I don't want to have to type out every package I don't want. |
| 20:30.27 | dkr | pdbogen: then why are you saying "if"? |
| 20:30.42 | silber420 | dpkg: really? |
| 20:30.42 | dpkg | yes, silber420 |
| 20:31.08 | ratamahatta | im installing winxp with qemu and it crashes on me |
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| 20:31.31 | pdbogen | dkr : I was trying to explain why you were incorrect in the hopes of forestalling any discussing relating to whether my problem actually exists as I've described it. |
| 20:31.38 | dkr | pdbogen: hrm. check your /etc/apt/apt.conf there you can modify whether recommends installed by default or not |
| 20:31.40 | ratamahatta | while installing qemu crashes kde |
| 20:31.56 | Erik1 | etch r2, acer al1716 and nvidia fx5200 do not mix well... driver is not present in this release.... |
| 20:32.07 | SecretLine | hi, i got a problem, i installed etch yesterday, using dmraid udeb for amd64 to use my raid configuration, then i have setup grub, and everything it's ok, i got my debian working, but, the connection is the problem... i updated my sources.list with testing to upgrade, then i did apt-get update, but the mirrors are too slow, i tried with fi,se,cl(my country) and many mirror, and all goes slow |
| 20:32.14 | pdbogen | No such file exists. What should the directive look like? |
| 20:32.18 | dkr | pdbogen: or you can use aptitude --without-recommends |
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| 20:32.30 | pdbogen | dkr : For some reason, that didn't work for me. |
| 20:32.53 | pdbogen | (Aptitude wanted to isntall the same list with and without --without-recommends) |
| 20:33.14 | dkr | pdbogen: I merely made a guess earlier as to what was going on. no need to get all worked up over proving a guess incorrect. heh :) |
| 20:33.25 | Aces1up | if i am using proftpd how do i set my user aces1up with unlimited access in the config file? |
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| 20:33.37 | Erik1 | what is a problemless video card for etch r2 ? |
| 20:34.01 | edthefox | !apt-spy |
| 20:34.01 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 20:36.29 | SecretLine | edthefox, i tried with a lot of sources |
| 20:36.33 | SecretLine | repos, i mean |
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| 20:37.03 | SecretLine | and i got other server here, with debian, using the same repositories, and it goes gfaster |
| 20:37.44 | pdbogen | dkr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448561 ( |
| 20:37.47 | pdbogen | * :( |
| 20:37.48 | edthefox | SecretLine: it was just a suggestion, what country are you in? |
| 20:38.00 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:38.07 | cTATUK | hi |
| 20:38.21 | cTATUK | i'm trying to run X applications over SSH with no luck ... |
| 20:38.56 | cTATUK | i'm connecting like this: ssh -X user@IP but then i type 'gedit' and it just hangs, as if gedit is running but there is no console or visual output and I must ctrl+c the process ... |
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| 20:39.02 | dkr | pdbogen: ah |
| 20:39.03 | cTATUK | any idea what might be wrong? |
| 20:39.20 | person | hi all |
| 20:39.35 | ratamahatta | the problem is between the chair and the keyboard |
| 20:39.59 | edthefox | ratamahatta: HAHAHA |
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| 20:40.09 | ratamahatta | edthefox: lol |
| 20:40.13 | pdbogen | ratamahatta : You mean the keyboard tray? |
| 20:40.36 | SecretLine | edthefox: sorry for the late, im chile |
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| 20:40.58 | edthefox | SecretLine: that would explain the delay.... heh |
| 20:41.02 | TimRiker | hmm. the debian dhcpcd does have a -T (test) option but it folks into the background after forking. not terribly useful that. |
| 20:41.05 | pdbogen | dkr : Anyway, thanks for the help, and sorry if I was gruff. You at least got me thinking in the right direction. |
| 20:41.10 | dkr | anyone have an issue with clamd taking way too long to update the virus db? e.g. > 10 minutes |
| 20:41.15 | TimRiker | Gm4n: sure... sorry to lag. :) |
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| 20:41.41 | Znuff | Hi. |
| 20:41.56 | Znuff | What's the name of the initial debian config utility that runs after you do a netinstall? |
| 20:42.14 | pdbogen | Znuff : apt-setup, maybe? |
| 20:42.28 | Znuff | pdbogen, don't think that's the one |
| 20:42.37 | pdbogen | Znuff : What are you looking to do? |
| 20:42.39 | Znuff | pdbogen, it's something that gets run and you're allowed to add users and stuff |
| 20:42.47 | Znuff | pdbogen, use debian's partitioning thingie :-) |
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| 20:42.58 | edthefox | SecretLine: ... reminds me of the movie 'Oh' Brother Where art Thou?' where is says "this place is a geographical oddity... it's two weeks from everywhere....." hahahahaha |
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| 20:43.31 | pdbogen | That's all part of the installer.. I don't know which partitioner Debian uses in its install. |
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| 20:43.54 | dayid | Znuff:: is it not just using cfdisk? |
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| 20:44.07 | Znuff | dayid, I'm pretty sure it's not. |
| 20:44.39 | ratamahatta | is /dev/shm a ramdisk ? |
| 20:44.41 | dayid | ah, can't remember, i do all VE installations for debian now, i thought it was just cfdisk or fdisk |
| 20:44.45 | Znuff | ratamahatta, kind of, yes. |
| 20:46.01 | SecretLine | edthefox: mmm, whatever, really the chilean servers goes well in my other machine, and in my machine i tried with other servers, and same speed |
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| 20:47.47 | The_PHP_Jedi | yay for more on-join spam :P |
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| 20:48.13 | Slydder | Text hier hey all |
| 20:48.18 | faclon | I can see the partitions with /fdis/hde but how can I see where /dev/hde1 = /home and all the others |
| 20:48.55 | justin | faclon: /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:49.22 | faclon | thanks |
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| 20:50.05 | Aces1up | i know this is a basic question but if i'm logged in as root how do i set another user to have administrator privledges? |
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| 20:51.39 | tralala | Aces1up, man sudo |
| 20:52.12 | tralala | Aces1up, /msg dpkg sudo |
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| 20:54.11 | wlfwhiterabbit | hi! I have to burn a .img .ccd .sub cd image. what can i do? thanks |
| 20:54.45 | Cr3ature | lol i was wondering if you could actually pipe the PCM output from your microphone straight to nc and send it yo your friend |
| 20:55.10 | Cr3ature | obviosly you would need crazy bandwidth |
| 20:55.42 | Aces1up | how do i just create another user with root privledges? |
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| 20:56.26 | ratamahatta | there is only one root Aces1up |
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| 20:56.42 | Cr3ature | wlfwhiterabbit: use cdrecord |
| 20:56.46 | ratamahatta | add the user to the root group or so |
| 20:56.54 | tralala | Aces1up, this is a very bad idea |
| 20:56.55 | Cr3ature | Aces1up: you could add your user to root group |
| 20:57.14 | Aces1up | well i just set up a local ftp server so i can add files.. |
| 20:57.19 | Gm4n | man adduser, aceslup. There's a flag taht allows you to add a user with a duplicate UID (in your case, 0) |
| 20:57.23 | Aces1up | and it won't let me write to any directories. |
| 20:57.37 | Gm4n | what user is the FTP daemon running as? |
| 20:57.55 | Aces1up | root as fae as i know. |
| 20:58.04 | Aces1up | afaik |
| 20:58.10 | Cr3ature | Gm4n: use "ps" to find out |
| 20:58.14 | ratamahatta | what is the latest unstable called ? |
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| 20:58.25 | Cr3ature | google debian unstable |
| 20:58.34 | Gm4n | Cr3ature, I was asking aceslup ;) |
| 20:58.37 | ratamahatta | i dont use google |
| 20:58.40 | dkr | !sid |
| 20:58.40 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 20:58.47 | ratamahatta | google is in bed with the cia |
| 20:58.54 | ratamahatta | and the nsa |
| 20:59.06 | ratamahatta | google is baaad |
| 20:59.12 | Cr3ature | it is? |
| 20:59.15 | SixT6 | Yahoo is in bed with the kgb |
| 20:59.21 | ratamahatta | google stores your queries for years to come |
| 20:59.24 | Gm4n | I'm in bed with many hot women :P |
| 20:59.28 | Cr3ature | who cares |
| 20:59.31 | SixT6 | Gm4n: Hahahaha |
| 20:59.39 | SixT6 | Best joke today, everyone knows you're not |
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| 20:59.50 | dkr | he was pointing out that the claims of being in bed are a fantasy |
| 20:59.54 | dkr | ;) |
| 21:00.08 | Aces1up | hey help me. |
| 21:00.20 | ratamahatta | no i thought someone said me to use google |
| 21:00.31 | Aces1up | google. |
| 21:00.38 | ratamahatta | eewww |
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| 21:00.43 | SixT6 | Aces1up: You problem is creating directories? |
| 21:01.01 | SixT6 | Your* |
| 21:01.20 | Aces1up | sixt6 using proftpd want to use it to upload web server files.. but it won't let me write to directories. |
| 21:01.26 | Aces1up | or create or change. |
| 21:01.34 | SixT6 | Aces1up: You can fix that with acl |
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| 21:01.45 | ratamahatta | use scroogle its better and they have nice anti-google ads |
| 21:01.54 | Aces1up | do i fix that in proftpd? or somewhere else? |
| 21:02.04 | SixT6 | Install acl, I think it is in the etch repos, if not you'll have to use lenny repos or compile it yourself |
| 21:02.26 | SixT6 | aptitude search acl |
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| 21:02.40 | SixT6 | How does that repo search function on dpkg work? |
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| 21:02.42 | ratamahatta | http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm <-- |
| 21:02.47 | SixT6 | dpkg acl |
| 21:02.47 | dpkg | acl is probably Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
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| 21:03.35 | SixT6 | Aces1up: Let me know when you've installed it |
| 21:03.36 | ratamahatta | how do i aks dpkg about qemu ? |
| 21:03.37 | Xenguy | !scroogle |
| 21:03.45 | ratamahatta | !qemu |
| 21:03.45 | dpkg | methinks qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
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| 21:03.54 | Aces1up | just installed it. |
| 21:04.02 | Supaplex | ratamahatta: /query dpkg works to |
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| 21:04.43 | SixT6 | Aces1up: You want to add read and write rights to a folder or files? |
| 21:04.49 | Daveman | :p |
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| 21:05.11 | Aces1up | sixt well since the ftp is only accessable locally, i want to set a user to have full permissions for my entire linux box. |
| 21:05.26 | SixT6 | The entire box? |
| 21:05.29 | Aces1up | yes. |
| 21:05.35 | SixT6 | Why? |
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| 21:05.53 | Aces1up | so i can put files wherever i need them to be :) |
| 21:06.02 | Aces1up | and not have to set permissions on every folder. |
| 21:06.11 | js_ | you generally don't need to do that |
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| 21:06.25 | SixT6 | Well, the solution I'm giving you gives the user read/write permissions at all times, not only via ftp |
| 21:06.25 | Aces1up | yeh but i'm craazzzzy! |
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| 21:06.33 | Aces1up | sixt that is fine. |
| 21:06.40 | SixT6 | Ok, your funeral |
| 21:06.43 | Xenguy | ratamahatta: didn't know this, but looks like scroogle has an SSL interface also :-) |
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| 21:07.01 | SixT6 | Open a terminal and do the following: |
| 21:07.05 | Aces1up | ok doke. |
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| 21:07.22 | ratamahatta | Xenguy: scroogle is kindof a proxy to google |
| 21:07.23 | SixT6 | sudo setfacl -m -R u:theuseryouwanthere:rw / |
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| 21:08.02 | Xenguy | ratamahatta: yes, I use it myself, but until now only the 'http' URL; now I see there is an 'https' interface also :-) |
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| 21:08.37 | wlfwhiterabbit | Cr3ature, sorry, but from man cdrecord it doesn't seem able to manage .img.ccd.sub cd images... |
| 21:08.41 | SixT6 | Aces1up: Did that work? |
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| 21:09.15 | Aces1up | option -m invalid argument near character 1 |
| 21:09.33 | SixT6 | Try -mR instead of -m -R |
| 21:09.56 | Aces1up | same error |
| 21:10.24 | Xenguy | ratamahatta: https://ssl.scroogle.org/sslnote.html |
| 21:10.26 | SixT6 | Ok, let me check one thing, haven't used -R before myself, it's for recursive |
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| 21:10.42 | Aces1up | can't just set it for / and be done? |
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| 21:11.10 | SixT6 | It won't be recursive then |
| 21:11.13 | ratamahatta | setting up permissions on an ftp server is quite an elaborate story and its better to find a good howto on that |
| 21:11.17 | SixT6 | Means it won't work for subfolders |
| 21:11.18 | tictac | doh |
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| 21:13.07 | SixT6 | Okay, -R -m should work |
| 21:13.09 | SixT6 | -R first |
| 21:13.20 | pumpkin0 | SMP-Systems and load: is it possible to make the kernel use one core less then the other ? I want it to execute stuff always on core1, unless core1 is already working. |
| 21:13.33 | SixT6 | And when I say should, that means some random page google shoved into my face said so |
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| 21:13.47 | StyXman | pumpkin0: why's so? |
| 21:13.50 | Aces1up | sixt looks like its doing it. |
| 21:13.52 | Aces1up | thanks. |
| 21:13.57 | SixT6 | Np |
| 21:14.08 | Aces1up | and the ftp server will use these permissions for the particular user? |
| 21:14.14 | SixT6 | But don't blame me if anything fucks up because your user has read/write access to everything |
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| 21:14.46 | sppt | hey |
| 21:14.53 | Aces1up | hrmm. |
| 21:14.56 | SixT6 | I'm not sure what ftp app you're using but I think it gives the same permissions as the local user rights |
| 21:14.58 | StyXman | sppt: ho |
| 21:14.59 | pumpkin0 | StyXman: Q6600 and one core is getting 5° hotter then the other 3. I do not want that core loaded unless the others are already working. |
| 21:15.16 | Aces1up | sixt still not letting me upload files :( |
| 21:15.33 | SixT6 | Which ftp app? |
| 21:15.41 | StyXman | pumpkin0: ! try refrigerating it better. answer is: no< I think you can't do that yet |
| 21:15.43 | sppt | whenever i try to install grub or lilo from the netinst cd, it hangs at 0%, whenever i kill the install, it tells me it wants to install it to /target/, what can be done? |
| 21:15.49 | Aces1up | in the ftp client says i have permissions of 755.. server app is proftpd |
| 21:16.10 | SixT6 | What's read write for everything? 999 or 666? |
| 21:16.21 | tictac | kernel BUG at fs/reiserfs/bitmap.c:1287! :( |
| 21:16.22 | Aces1up | 777 |
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| 21:16.35 | fedya | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 21:16.37 | fedya | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 21:16.39 | fedya | any ideas? |
| 21:16.44 | StyXman | tictac: ouch |
| 21:16.51 | SixT6 | Yeah, 777 |
| 21:16.52 | pumpkin0 | StyXman: bad. That CPU is somewhere inside a 19" server rag and i cannot install 3te party coolers.... |
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| 21:16.59 | SixT6 | Aces1up: And you don't know how to change that? |
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| 21:17.10 | fedya | what outgoing port would i need to open? |
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| 21:17.26 | Aces1up | sixt yeh i set it using the umask setting. |
| 21:17.27 | Aces1up | 777 |
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| 21:17.32 | Aces1up | but always says 755. |
| 21:17.39 | Aces1up | will try some other things. |
| 21:17.45 | SixT6 | Did you use -R ? |
| 21:17.45 | sppt | so any idea why the installer hangs while installing the bootloader? |
| 21:17.51 | StyXman | fedya: you should let ICMP packets go through |
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| 21:18.17 | SixT6 | Aces1up: You need -R in that umask line |
| 21:18.19 | tictac | StyXman: yea. i cant umount it either. |
| 21:18.24 | Aces1up | sixt yep |
| 21:18.32 | StyXman | sppt: did you try to install it by hand in one of the available consoles in tty2 and 3? |
| 21:18.47 | StyXman | tictac: remount ir ro, run reiserfsck |
| 21:18.56 | sppt | no, how would i do that? apt-install doesn't seem to work, and apt-get isnt found :\ |
| 21:18.56 | SixT6 | Can you paste the setfacl command you used for me |
| 21:19.01 | SixT6 | And then the umask line |
| 21:19.02 | namit | Just installed debian on 400gb hard disk but Grub is returning error 18 when I boot up |
| 21:19.02 | StyXman | tictac: goto runlevel 1 fisrt |
| 21:19.11 | Aces1up | acually sorry it was giving me an error.. for all the directories it went through it said "operation not supported" |
| 21:19.19 | fedya | hm firewall isnt even blocking icmp... :0 |
| 21:19.26 | sppt | StyXman, if i can do that, i wont have to reinstall everything and stuff, right? |
| 21:19.29 | StyXman | sppt: chroot /target; mount proc; apt-get install grub |
| 21:19.54 | Aces1up | sudo setfacl -R -m e:aces1up:rw / |
| 21:19.54 | sppt | is /target an actual dir? |
| 21:20.10 | fedya | if i do traceroute domain.com it's working |
| 21:20.20 | SixT6 | Strange |
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| 21:20.29 | SixT6 | Tried turning SSL/TLS on/off ? |
| 21:20.56 | sppt | also StyXman, when i restart the installer now, will it actually load my previous configs, like language settings, filesystem mountpoints etc? |
| 21:21.12 | ratamahatta | Xenguy: are you from china ? |
| 21:21.19 | fedya | just getting * * * though |
| 21:21.26 | StyXman | sppt: /target is where the installer normailly mount the target partition |
| 21:21.31 | sppt | ok |
| 21:21.42 | Xenguy | ratamahatta: no, and why would you assume that? |
| 21:21.49 | sppt | but, will my config get loaded when i reboot the disk? |
| 21:21.58 | SixT6 | Aces1up: Which client are you using? |
| 21:22.02 | StyXman | sppt: if you set up extra partitiona for /boot and/or /var, you also have to mount -a before pat-get'ing |
| 21:22.14 | StyXman | sppt: i should |
| 21:22.21 | ratamahatta | Xenguy: im curious since there arent so many chinese on irc and it sounds a bit chinese |
| 21:22.24 | harish_ | hmm, how do i list out installed packages on debian? |
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| 21:22.30 | sppt | ok well i'll try it now |
| 21:22.31 | Xenguy | ratamahatta: are you from Netherlands? |
| 21:22.34 | sppt | thanks :) |
| 21:22.39 | ratamahatta | Xenguy: yup |
| 21:22.54 | Xenguy | ratamahatta: you see my methods are more accurate than yours ;-) |
| 21:23.05 | Aces1up | sixt getting same error on different clients. |
| 21:23.08 | ratamahatta | Xenguy: woohoo |
| 21:23.13 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 21:23.21 | Aces1up | using coreftp on windows as well as built in ftp windows client. |
| 21:23.26 | ratamahatta | Xenguy: im just more lazy then you |
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| 21:24.40 | SixT6 | Aces1up: Sounds strange. Can you paste the umask line from the config? |
| 21:25.35 | J-roen | Hi, yesterday there were suddenly many kernel log messages in the syslog (Jan 31 17:23:34 DDZ001 kernel: Linux version 2.6.18-4-486 etc.). There was no reboot message in the syslog. Does this mean my server has been power-cycled? |
| 21:25.41 | ratamahatta | ah i found a qemu forum |
| 21:25.52 | justin | J-roen: uhh, what is the uptime of the machine? |
| 21:26.11 | Aces1up | sixt ok fixed it.. just did a chmod on the directory in question to 777 |
| 21:26.17 | J-roen | justin: Indeed 1 day and 5 hours. |
| 21:26.25 | Aces1up | guess that is fine for now. |
| 21:26.36 | SixT6 | Strange, setfacl should have fixed that |
| 21:26.41 | Slydder | ratamahatta: qemu is shit. vserver is cool |
| 21:26.51 | Aces1up | said operation not supported for everything. |
| 21:27.09 | SixT6 | Gimme a sec |
| 21:27.41 | J-roen | justin: If a restart command was called, it should have been logged in the syslog, right? |
| 21:27.48 | StyXman | J-roen: is either that or the logs are borked |
| 21:28.01 | StyXman | J-roen: try running uptime |
| 21:28.07 | frojnd | Does UTP kable rolled into circles effect in anyway file transfeer ? magnetic fiels or smth ? |
| 21:28.14 | justin | J-roen: sort of |
| 21:28.21 | Aces1up | sixt another question if i upload a cgi script to usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 21:28.26 | Aces1up | and i am using apache server.. |
| 21:28.33 | Aces1up | how do execute that cgi script.. |
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| 21:28.35 | ratamahatta | Slydder: does vserver also allow me to install a winxp on it ? |
| 21:28.37 | StyXman | frojnd: not much, unless you're talking in hundreds of meters... |
| 21:28.57 | J-roen | justin: Okay - can I find something about the cause in the logs probably, or should I call my hosting provider? |
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| 21:29.03 | Aces1up | http://domain/script.cgi nor hhtp://domain/usr/lib/cgi-bin/script.cgi isn't working at all. |
| 21:29.20 | justin | J-roen: ask them I guess |
| 21:29.27 | justin | Aces1up: /cgi-bin/ |
| 21:29.39 | J-roen | justin, StyXman: Thanks for your help! |
| 21:29.48 | StyXman | Aces1up: it depends on apache config, but it's mostly http://server/cgi-bin/script.cgi |
| 21:30.03 | SixT6 | Aces1up: If you reboot in the near future, check if you're able to read/write on other directories |
| 21:30.23 | Aces1up | justin get the following from apache. |
| 21:30.24 | Aces1up | You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/irc.cgi on this server |
| 21:30.37 | Aces1up | where do i fix that at httpd.conf? |
| 21:30.46 | justin | Aces1up: you don't fix that in httpd.conf |
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| 21:31.26 | Aces1up | where do i fix it at? |
| 21:32.04 | StyXman | Aces1up: check apache's config, /etc/apache2 |
| 21:32.21 | Aces1up | i'm running apache, no apache2 |
| 21:32.40 | SixT6 | Aces1up: You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/irc.cgi on this server |
| 21:32.58 | StyXman | Aces1up: apache-1.3 or apache02.x? |
| 21:33.06 | justin | Aces1up: /var/log |
| 21:33.16 | Aces1up | 1.3.34 |
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| 21:33.27 | StyXman | Aces1up: ! ok, /etc/apache/, then... |
| 21:34.46 | Aces1up | styxman is there a particular variable i need to set to allow access? |
| 21:35.26 | StyXman | Aces1up: read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.x/ or similar url. |
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| 21:36.11 | ``y7 | do you have to reboot in debian when you change your local ip? |
| 21:36.21 | ``y7 | when i change mine, it can't ping my router afterwards |
| 21:36.25 | sigjuice | is there a package with the file vmlinux on i386? |
| 21:36.31 | StyXman | ``y7: no, youst run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:36.55 | abrotman | sigjuice: vmlinuz you mean ? |
| 21:36.58 | StyXman | sigjuice: linux-kernel-2.6-i686 should install a dep which has it |
| 21:37.03 | ``y7 | after i change it StyXman? |
| 21:37.16 | StyXman | ``y7: after you change /etc/network/interfaces, yes |
| 21:37.25 | ``y7 | i was changing it via gui |
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| 21:37.37 | ``y7 | i didn't mess with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:37.56 | StyXman | ``y7: then gui is messing with your setup |
| 21:38.01 | ``y7 | ok |
| 21:38.11 | sigjuice | abrotman: I need vmlinux (the uncompressed ELF image) not vmlinuz for experimenting with oprofile |
| 21:38.13 | ``y7 | i'll check out /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:38.15 | ``y7 | ty for the help |
| 21:38.16 | StyXman | try running route -n and ifconfig -a to make sure everything's allright |
| 21:38.43 | sigjuice | StyXman: Thanks. I'll try it. |
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| 21:40.17 | sigjuice | I looked for vmlinux on packages.debian.org but got no hits |
| 21:41.58 | kreuter | hi #debian. I'm running etch on a powerbook, which has an internal synaptics touchpad. the touchpad works fine, but when I plug in a USB mouse (either before or after starting the X server), then click and drag anywhere, focus no longer follows the pointer. also, I have some window manager keybindings that use a modifier key plus pointer button, and these don't work when a USB mouse is attached. any suggestions? |
| 21:42.11 | sigjuice | StyXman: I'm afraid I can't find any package called linux-kernel-* |
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| 21:44.13 | StyXman | sigjuice: sorry, I thought you wanted vmlinuz. I guess you better compile your own kernel |
| 21:44.27 | StyXman | sigjuice: you can use you current .config from /boot |
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| 21:45.39 | fedya | hm i want to use netselect to find the best mirror to use, but it wont work for some reaon |
| 21:46.21 | fedya | netselect-apt didnt work because firewall was blocking traceroute, which im not aware of and netselect just doesnt return anything |
| 21:46.24 | StyXman | fedya: where are you from (country)? |
| 21:46.26 | fedya | us |
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| 21:46.48 | StyXman | fedya: use any us mirror, should be ok for you |
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| 21:47.27 | fedya | are there any better than others? i just tried manually putting in utexas.edu and i just get 400k, although im on 10 mbit fiber line here |
| 21:47.38 | karsten | fedya: http.us.debin.org should be fine. Try apt-spy if you like as well. |
| 21:47.55 | karsten | !tell fedya about apt-spy |
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| 21:49.59 | fedya | thanks! |
| 21:50.36 | tictac | doh |
| 21:50.49 | tictac | 1 found corruptions can be fixed only when running with --rebuild-tree |
| 21:50.52 | tictac | :| |
| 21:51.06 | tictac | last time i ran that my partition was utterly fscked. |
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| 21:52.55 | Aces1up | is there any easier to use editor than vi? its driving me nuts. |
| 21:53.00 | StyXman | tictac: I had to run it several times with a happy outcome. I'm doing it right now (badblocks appeared) |
| 21:53.12 | StyXman | Aces1up: nano, mcedit, emacs... |
| 21:53.18 | StyXman | jed, even |
| 21:53.32 | tictac | well i can mount the drive now so im going to backup what i can and then run it |
| 21:53.42 | StyXman | tictac: good luck |
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| 21:54.18 | tictac | this is why its good to have backups :) |
| 21:54.23 | sco50000 | Aces1up: nano is very easy to use if you haven't learned vi yet |
| 21:54.47 | StyXman | tictac: not even mention it... :( |
| 21:55.04 | tictac | heh |
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| 21:55.18 | tictac | ive lost way too much stuff over here in iraq to not have any backups at this point |
| 21:55.37 | tictac | this is a 160 too. |
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| 21:56.03 | StyXman | tictac: beh, is mostly music and movies |
| 21:56.18 | StyXman | but I had just finished compiling kde4... |
| 21:57.32 | tictac | lol |
| 21:57.37 | tictac | this disk is all movies and music |
| 21:57.56 | StyXman | I was installing it when I discovered about the failing disk :( |
| 21:58.03 | tictac | i have it all backed to a 750 every few days though |
| 21:58.14 | tictac | kde. yuck |
| 21:58.45 | StyXman | tictac: I wish i had themoney for a 750 to be there sitting iddle just for backups... |
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| 21:59.11 | tictac | StyXman: when you lose a drive, you find a way to have the money for the backups |
| 21:59.23 | StyXman | heeh |
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| 21:59.42 | tictac | im thinking of getting a 750 to backup this other 750 :) |
| 21:59.46 | tictac | storing it somewhere off site |
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| 22:00.04 | fedya | so apt-spy is benchmarking, and then it gives a segmentation fault.... ? |
| 22:00.30 | StyXman | fedya: nice... |
| 22:00.40 | fedya | what does that mean |
| 22:00.49 | StyXman | fedya: just in case, did you try running memtest on your machine? |
| 22:01.06 | StyXman | fedya: sorry, it was a little sarcasm... |
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| 22:01.15 | fedya | i can do that |
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| 22:01.19 | fedya | might not be a bad idea |
| 22:01.33 | StyXman | fedya: install memetest86+ and reboot |
| 22:01.35 | fedya | bought 5 of these things, found one of them with some sort of hard drive errors this morning |
| 22:01.47 | fedya | wait you can do it right from deb?! |
| 22:01.52 | fedya | i was going to go stick the cd in |
| 22:02.07 | kingsley | Why would a new version of audacity not record from a microphone? |
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| 22:03.35 | StyXman | fedya: you can, but maybe the cd is a better idea |
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| 22:04.38 | StyXman | tictac: a 750GiB HD costs the same I make in one month. |
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| 22:05.04 | tictac | StyXman: oh. well i make like 4000 a month so im good i guess. |
| 22:05.15 | tictac | its still shitty pay though |
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| 22:05.57 | bpun | hi folks |
| 22:06.07 | StyXman | tictac: 4k USD? I barely make 300... |
| 22:06.12 | bpun | anyone is using a usb-rj45 device? |
| 22:06.21 | StyXman | but then, it';s another country... |
| 22:06.48 | tictac | StyXman: im in another country right now too. lol |
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| 22:07.08 | StyXman | tictac: us army? |
| 22:07.14 | tictac | yup |
| 22:07.31 | bpun | tictac, do i need ndiswrapper? |
| 22:07.44 | tictac | bpun: ?? |
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| 22:08.44 | StyXman | bpun: he was answering me |
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| 22:09.02 | fedya | StyXman: yea might be a little pointless to install a db server on a machine with bad memory |
| 22:09.17 | fedya | it's testing now |
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| 22:13.07 | Aces1up | anyone know how i make sure cgi-bin is enabled in my apche server? |
| 22:13.22 | dondelelcaro | Aces1up: it is by default |
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| 22:16.03 | Tramp | Aces1up: enable mod_info and check through /server-info |
| 22:16.24 | fedya | i guess this is what happens when they give you sh*t to work with |
| 22:18.24 | Aces1up | tramp can you shoot me some examples? |
| 22:18.57 | Tramp | Aces1up: examples of what? |
| 22:19.16 | Aces1up | how i enable mod_info and check server-info |
| 22:19.42 | StyXman | Aces1up: read the docs, are very complete |
| 22:19.48 | StyXman | they are* |
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| 22:21.01 | realz` | is there a limit debian puts on # of connections like xp? |
| 22:21.29 | abrotman | connections to what? |
| 22:21.38 | StyXman | realz`: which kind of connections? that's more like a per server limit... |
| 22:21.38 | abrotman | in general no |
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| 22:22.29 | Tramp | Aces1up: For apache1 you will have to check the docs. I don't know from the top of my head. Last time I had to do with apache1 was like three years ago |
| 22:22.29 | abrotman | realz`: but if the server can't handle the load .. it will get slow .. but win32 is the same way |
| 22:22.45 | Aces1up | should i just install apach2 |
| 22:22.48 | Aces1up | apache2? |
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| 22:23.07 | StyXman | Aces1up: won't make things easier. |
| 22:23.16 | desertc | Hi all. Is there anyone from the VOIP team around? |
| 22:23.17 | Aces1up | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_info.html i enabled it using that. |
| 22:23.44 | Aces1up | stopped the servier with apache stop then apache start... looked at my domain/server-info and there was nothing found. |
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| 22:25.02 | relbs | Is there a package containing a dictionary / word list file? something with just a list of many english words |
| 22:25.24 | ryx | Is it possible to install debian on an nfs share via the standard installer? |
| 22:25.33 | dkr | dpkg -S /usr/share/dict/words |
| 22:25.33 | dkr | dictionaries-common: /usr/share/dict/words |
| 22:25.33 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /usr/share/dict/words! |
| 22:25.49 | relbs | thanks! |
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| 22:26.07 | ryx | and: are there netboot images with 2.6.22 somewhere? |
| 22:26.15 | ryx | (my nic is only supported since 2.6.22) |
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| 22:27.00 | dkr | ryx: look for the "daily" netinst |
| 22:27.02 | StyXman | ryx: I think I did taht via debootstrap in the nfs server and a hand-compiled kernel for booting |
| 22:27.59 | ryx | StyXman: I kinda wanted to try nfs-mounting the share and running the installer directly on the target |
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| 22:28.44 | StyXman | ryx: will make your installation slower |
| 22:29.00 | realz` | StyXman: any TCP/IP connections |
| 22:29.09 | DustyBin | what will the release after lenny be called? |
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| 22:29.25 | ryx | StyXman: if that's the only problem, I'm happy |
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| 22:29.52 | StyXman | realz`: as abrotman said, there's no limit, except for available porst, ram and cpu speed |
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| 22:30.32 | StyXman | realz`: not by default. but if you want to, I think something can be done with iptables/iproute2 |
| 22:31.22 | desertc | Is there someone that can address a Speex package discussion in another channel, please? |
| 22:31.41 | realz` | StyXman: as i run nmap on multiple terminals...my machine loses its wifi connection.... |
| 22:31.57 | realz` | StyXman: then i have to ifconfig it to connect again |
| 22:32.01 | headhurts | Hi monitor/video question, I am running Debian testing kernel 2.6.22-3-k7, with a ati radeon HD 2600 pro card and a Widescreen samsung 226bw monitor. I have installed the ATI driver 8.45.4 (and control center). When I scroll or move windows it flickers and is really slow at refreshing the screen, and when I try ctrl+alt F1 to get to console my monitor goes blank and stays that way till I reboot with ctrl alt del. Also my screen is giving me |
| 22:32.01 | headhurts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:33.29 | StyXman | hydoskee: seems like you're using a very simple video driver, surely it's vesa. try finding the correct one for your card (will guess is 'radeon') and change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:33.43 | StyXman | ahm, headhurts, that was for you ^^^^^^ |
| 22:34.07 | StyXman | realz`: that may be a wireless problem. |
| 22:34.20 | StyXman | maybe too much traffic tears down the connection. |
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| 22:35.06 | headhurts | StyXman, I am currently running the ati driver, vesa works for me but I can' t get the correct resolution and refresh rate |
| 22:35.15 | CrashSys | Where do I check in debian to make sure a service start? (/etc/init.d/samba specifically)? |
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| 22:35.47 | StyXman | CrashSys: /etc/init.d/samba status or ps fax |
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| 22:36.35 | realz` | StyXman: happens on all the routers, linksys, dlink , netware |
| 22:36.44 | CrashSys | Right... but on reboot, samba doesn't start... |
| 22:37.44 | ratamahatta | man update-rc.d |
| 22:38.24 | marc7 | is there any way in /etc/network/interfaces we can say "iface eth3 inet dhcp" but then also specify the mac address that we want to send to the DHCP server? |
| 22:38.34 | CrashSys | no entry found... |
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| 22:39.10 | ratamahatta | update-rc.d [-n] name start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . ... |
| 22:39.11 | ryx | where should I the nfsroot so the installer finds it? /mnt/target? |
| 22:39.21 | StyXman | realz`: I mean, your wireless goes down, not the connections w/ the servers... |
| 22:39.27 | CrashSys | that worked... thank you sir :) |
| 22:39.39 | realz` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.51 | StyXman | ryx: /target |
| 22:39.56 | ryx | thx |
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| 22:40.27 | enzo | i've installed debian testing KDE cd1, but i'm booting on gnome, how can i boot on kde ? (launch kdm), i never remember |
| 22:40.28 | realz` | StyXman: right..but why does the wireless goes down..other computers remain connected...but this one stops comminication to the AP |
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| 22:40.31 | desertc | Is there another freenode channel where the debian-qa team or debian-voip-maintainers hang out? |
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| 22:40.39 | ratamahatta | CrashSys: you only it worked after you rebooted |
| 22:40.49 | ratamahatta | know* |
| 22:41.25 | marc7 | realz`: so iface eth3 inet dhcp <<line break>><<tab>> hwaddress ether 01:02:03:04:05:06 |
| 22:41.56 | StyXman | realz`: you're hogging the wireless link |
| 22:42.00 | realz` | marc7: right...also restart networking after that |
| 22:42.04 | ratamahatta | CrashSys: or did you manage to bring up the man page ? |
| 22:42.16 | ratamahatta | haha |
| 22:42.18 | realz` | StyXman: how do i prevent that then? |
| 22:42.32 | StyXman | enzo: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 22:42.58 | CrashSys | no, I ran update-rc.d and it spat out the default usage... so I was good to go then... |
| 22:43.02 | abrotman | or it's a bad driver |
| 22:43.05 | marc7 | realz`: nice, that worked wonderfully. thanks. |
| 22:43.07 | ratamahatta | update-rc.d samba start 90 2 3 4 5 . stop 90 0 1 6 . |
| 22:43.14 | CrashSys | I didn't know what debian called it... but figured it out from the 'man update-rc.d' comment.. |
| 22:43.15 | StyXman | realz`: don't launch so mani nmap instances at once. read nmap manpage for tips. |
| 22:43.17 | realz` | marc7: np |
| 22:43.26 | ratamahatta | CrashSys: theres a onliner for you |
| 22:43.32 | CrashSys | I just did defaults... |
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| 22:43.51 | ratamahatta | CrashSys: now test it ! |
| 22:44.04 | CrashSys | it's rebooting as we speak |
| 22:44.24 | realz` | StyXman: that would be easy..but i got multiple users on this server doing nmap...so that's not an option...how can i restrict OB connections and what'd b a good linmit |
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| 22:44.49 | StyXman | realz`: you better lay a utp cable, then... |
| 22:45.07 | enzo | already done StyXman, kdm is defined as the default |
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| 22:45.52 | StyXman | enzo: /etc/init.d/gdm stop, /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 22:45.53 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.06 | CrashSys | Reiser? |
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| 22:46.08 | ratamahatta | ext2 ? |
| 22:46.11 | enzo | ok i try that, i alreadu deactive gdm to be sure |
| 22:46.11 | SexyKen | Reiser is slow |
| 22:46.12 | ryx | meh, the installer refuses to continue without a root partition, and mount doesn't do -t nfs |
| 22:46.24 | SexyKen | And Reiser is also optimized for small files, not large database files. |
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| 22:47.01 | StyXman | SexyKen: XFS, maybe |
| 22:47.54 | ryx | well, the religious debate starts right there... |
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| 22:49.24 | StyXman | XFS is for large files... but I think I recall horrendous histories about it... but absolutly mush less that reiser... |
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| 22:50.05 | abrotman | SexyKen: and for the love of god .. stop using mysql |
| 22:50.12 | ryx | that's what I mean. Many people have already lost data to an fs and will fervently recommend the other. (I use xfs for everything) |
| 22:50.38 | StyXman | ryx: I use reiser for everythong.. never had any major problem :) |
| 22:51.01 | Tramp | !start an fs war |
| 22:51.01 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 22:51.03 | StyXman | hmm, everythong, taht came ot wrong... |
| 22:51.18 | CrashSys | A reiser everythong? |
| 22:51.24 | abrotman | SexyKen: and you can use ext3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits |
| 22:51.53 | abrotman | SexyKen: but i think your problem will be filesize .. don't quote me on this but i believe XFS has the largest filesize limits |
| 22:52.01 | StyXman | hmgmgmgm, hans reiser in thongs or mankini, in prision... |
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| 22:52.18 | ryx | oh, and I'd say reiser has optimisation code for small and xfs for large files. But that doesn't mean either is bad at the other... |
| 22:52.19 | adema | hello :) |
| 22:52.23 | adema | i need some help |
| 22:52.23 | abrotman | SexyKen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#Capacity |
| 22:52.38 | StyXman | adema: tell your problem |
| 22:52.39 | adema | all my video have a "blue layer" |
| 22:52.47 | adema | weird colors |
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| 22:52.58 | adema | i made somethings wrong in my debian |
| 22:53.03 | adema | but i don't know what |
| 22:53.09 | realz` | adema: what player are you using |
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| 22:53.22 | adema | vlc, mplayer, xine, xfmedia |
| 22:53.28 | adema | and totem |
| 22:53.31 | abrotman | video driver? |
| 22:53.35 | adema | nvidia |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | nv or nvidia? |
| 22:53.53 | adema | nvidia :) |
| 22:54.02 | adema | compiled this week |
| 22:54.03 | JordiGH | Is it possible to use tar to break up a directory into something that will fit into 2 dvds? I need to move 11 gigs from one box to another, and sneakernet seems like the fastest option. |
| 22:54.04 | abrotman | did you try the nv driver? |
| 22:54.07 | abrotman | did you ask #nvidia ? |
| 22:54.13 | abrotman | did you have the problme before with the old driver? |
| 22:54.16 | adema | i didn't ask |
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| 22:54.36 | adema | i didn't have this problem no, but i had others problems XD |
| 22:54.39 | realz` | adema: u sure have selected thje right output in gstreamer properties |
| 22:54.51 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:54.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:54.54 | abrotman | adema: ask #nvidia |
| 22:54.59 | adema | ok abrotman |
| 22:55.09 | ryx | JordiGH: well, there's always split and cat... |
| 22:55.10 | abrotman | adema: or buy better hardware |
| 22:55.13 | adema | and realz` how can i select the right output? |
| 22:55.31 | JordiGH | ryx: source machine doesn't have room for original copy and split copy. :-/ |
| 22:55.42 | abrotman | realz`: it happens with all players ... |
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| 22:55.54 | adema | well there is no problems with gmplatyer |
| 22:55.58 | JordiGH | I guess I'll just network the two machines and wait overnight for the transfer. Is there a better protocol than sftp? |
| 22:56.07 | adema | but with all others players there is bad blues colors :/ |
| 22:56.17 | abrotman | adema: then find out what options it uses .. or revert to the old driver |
| 22:56.18 | adema | abrotman, it's probably not a video driver problem :/ |
| 22:56.24 | ryx | JordiGH: dar can do that. But you probably need a bit to get the hang of it |
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| 22:56.47 | ryx | (dar writes slices and can wait after every slice) |
| 22:56.54 | StyXman | ok, enough for today. adios, amigos! |
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| 22:56.56 | abrotman | adema: but it didn't happen before with the old driver? |
| 22:57.46 | realz` | adema: press alt+f2 type gstreamer-properties and goto video tab and select the right codec |
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| 22:58.22 | adema | well on xfce alt-F2 is for execute |
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| 22:58.48 | ryx | JordiGH: and, using netcat or ssh for example, you can directly pipe a tar -c into a tar -x |
| 22:58.51 | realz` | adema: whatever is 'run' in your DE |
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| 22:59.07 | JordiGH | ryx: Second thing sounds l33t. |
| 22:59.15 | ryx | that tends to be a lot faster than scp/sftp since you don't need to wait a roundtrip per file |
| 22:59.17 | abrotman | adema: but it didn't happen before with the old driver? |
| 22:59.30 | adema | abrotman, not but per aps i did something since i installed my new drivers |
| 22:59.31 | realz` | how can i see what applications are using how much bandwidth? |
| 22:59.44 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 22:59.50 | JordiGH | ryx: Is there a transparent way to use netcat without first creating one gargantuan file? That is, can I work it on a tree hierarchy? |
| 22:59.53 | abrotman | adema: tried reinstalling the older driver? |
| 23:00.01 | adema | i didn't try yet |
| 23:00.23 | adema | well i found temporary solution |
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| 23:00.43 | ryx | JordiGH: what do you mean? it simply runs a pipe through a tcp connection |
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| 23:02.31 | ryx | JordiGH: though tar -cz |ssh -c blowfish target tar -xz -C targetdir is probably easier than netcat |
| 23:02.42 | JordiGH | ryx: I guess I need help on building the pipe structure on bash. |
| 23:02.51 | realz` | is there a way i can see what applications are using how much bandwidth? |
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| 23:03.51 | JordiGH | ryx: Interesting line... |
| 23:03.59 | JordiGH | tar does hidden files too, right? |
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| 23:04.02 | ryx | realz`: <abrotman> jnettop |
| 23:04.29 | realz` | thanks ryx, abrotman |
| 23:04.39 | ryx | JordiGH: you might want --preserve for starters |
| 23:05.27 | ryx | if you give it the name of the dir, it also includes hidden files. For example cd ~;tar -cz . will get .bashrc, but tar -cz * will not. |
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| 23:06.02 | ryx | or you can use * .* |
| 23:06.20 | JordiGH | ryx: that matches .. to |
| 23:06.22 | JordiGH | too |
| 23:07.06 | ryx | it's just that * doesn't match files starting with . but .* does |
| 23:07.21 | JordiGH | ryx: Yeah, but then you also match the top directory. It's a mess. :-) |
| 23:07.35 | ryx | I was about to say that |
| 23:08.22 | ratamahatta | use .[^.]* then |
| 23:08.39 | JordiGH | ratamahatta: does that need the extglobs shopt? |
| 23:08.42 | ryx | ratamahatta: what if you have a file called ..foo ? |
| 23:08.43 | ratamahatta | ryx: why you dont know that ? |
| 23:08.56 | ratamahatta | ryx: then you rename that file |
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| 23:09.09 | ryx | fair enough |
| 23:09.20 | grendal_prime | wireless on a latitude d800 ? |
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| 23:09.59 | ratamahatta | JordiGH: test it with ls |
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| 23:11.28 | grendal_prime | ipw220 |
| 23:11.35 | JordiGH | Cool, it doesn't. |
| 23:11.39 | grendal_prime | thats the wireless cad in it |
| 23:11.45 | JordiGH | !ipw2200 |
| 23:11.45 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
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| 23:12.30 | JordiGH | I still want someone to explain why Intel says they need blobs as decreed by the FCC in order to make their cards work but ralink works without any blobs. |
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| 23:12.57 | ratamahatta | JordiGH: its nice to want things |
| 23:12.58 | DA-Laptop | Hello. I want to set up a Samba server on my desktop computer.. does anyone know of an easy n00b's guide to doing so? |
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| 23:13.11 | DA-Laptop | It's running Sid |
| 23:14.05 | shib | what do you want the share to do? |
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| 23:15.50 | replman | Hi! Please help me to open my cdrom-drive ;-). Suddenly when i press the open-button, nothing happens. Mount doesn't show the cdrom mounted, "ps -ef | grep cd" shows a process: "hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/scd0" |
| 23:16.03 | shib | replman, eject |
| 23:16.03 | cusco | try "eject" |
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| 23:16.16 | pumpkin0 | i want to pass the string "27 27" via sysfs.conf into sysfs during startup. It is not 27 27 (w/o) quotes or "27 27" (with quotes) or 27_27. any guess ? |
| 23:16.30 | replman | eject doesn't help :-( |
| 23:16.46 | cusco | replman: perhaps kill that process, then eject? |
| 23:17.00 | JordiGH | What do you have to do to use Gnash with YouTube? Installing the Iceweasel plugin package doesn't seem to do anything in Iceweasel... |
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| 23:17.32 | cusco | replman: also try eject -mr |
| 23:17.43 | replman | i killed the process and tried eject again but nothing happened |
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| 23:18.15 | cusco | eject -m cdrom |
| 23:18.28 | replman | now eject prints an error-message (in german, i try to translate) |
| 23:18.35 | JordiGH | Hm, does tab-completion in bash normally expand ~ ? |
| 23:18.44 | themill | yes |
| 23:18.56 | replman | eject: cannot eject! last error: input/output error |
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| 23:19.04 | maddash | I'm trying to add a startup script to rcS.d: "sudo update-rc.d -n tcmount start 1 S ." invocation returns "/etc/rcS.d/S01tcmount -> ../init.d/tcmount", but "ls /etc/rcS.d/S01tcmount" gives no such file. what's going on? |
| 23:19.31 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/340 |
| 23:19.40 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Thanks |
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| 23:20.02 | JordiGH | themill: Can I disable that? :-) |
| 23:20.20 | replman | themill: what is a paperclip? |
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| 23:20.51 | ryx | replman: a device to stick into the little hole of an optical drive to emergency-eject the medium |
| 23:21.09 | shib | JordiGH, I've seen Ubuntu do that... but my base deb box doesn't.... must be something else (config maybe?) |
| 23:21.14 | KomiaPoika | how can i list installed packages? |
| 23:21.17 | ryx | I think it's not recommended to do that while the power is on, but I'm not sure |
| 23:21.22 | JordiGH | shib: Well, Debian is doing it now. |
| 23:21.23 | replman | ah, the manual way :-) |
| 23:21.27 | replman | That's an idea |
| 23:22.00 | babilen | replman: you could try rebooting first, the drive might open if there really are no processes accessing it. |
| 23:22.02 | shib | JordiGH, what version of bash? |
| 23:22.24 | JordiGH | GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 23:22.30 | shib | same here |
| 23:22.33 | shib | check .bashrc? |
| 23:22.37 | replman | babilen: i think after reboot it will open, but i have so much programs running :-). I don't want to reboot... |
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| 23:23.48 | JordiGH | shib: What am I looking for? I only see stuff that might be relevant in /etc/bash_completion |
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| 23:23.56 | babilen | replman: i see! You could save your session though |
| 23:24.06 | replman | Uh, the hole is very small.... |
| 23:24.25 | babilen | ah, short question. is there a way to get bash-completion for safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:24.33 | babilen | s/dist/full |
| 23:24.45 | babilen | it's just in my fingers :-) |
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| 23:25.38 | enzo | what is the easiest way to install nvidia driver ? |
| 23:25.53 | enzo | i have some problem if installing driver from nvidia.com |
| 23:25.53 | cilkay | Hello. I have created a script which uses rsync to back up a remote machine to my local machine running Etch. The shell script works exactly as I want. I have added that script to my crontab. The executable bit is set and I specified the full path to the script. The script still does not run via cron. What am I missing? |
| 23:26.16 | babilen | enzo: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 23:26.38 | themill | cilkay: I presume that you have checked that cron is running... Is your crontab correct? |
| 23:26.43 | cilkay | I am redirecting the output of the script to a log file but I don't see any log entries. If I run the script manually, it will spew lots of info to the console. |
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| 23:26.52 | replman | Ok, cdrom is open (manual way), but now it doesn't close :-( |
| 23:27.00 | shib | JordiGH, comment out _expand() in bash_completion, line 273-286 |
| 23:27.12 | enzo | thanks babilen i check |
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| 23:27.38 | babilen | replman: maybe you unplugged the power cable, or the drive is broken. |
| 23:27.50 | try | quit |
| 23:27.52 | try | x |
| 23:28.06 | shib | JordiGH, eh... nvm that... gives errors now |
| 23:28.07 | untitled | what should I install to get nvidia module for my kernel? there is no module for 2.6.22-3...the latest is for 2.6.18 |
| 23:28.13 | cilkay | themill: crond is running and in case I screwed it up, I used kcrontab. Here is what crontab -l reports: 25,26,28,30 3,18 * * * /home/cilkay/bin/backup-ds9.sh |
| 23:28.20 | replman | babilen: I used it some minutes before |
| 23:28.36 | cilkay | I am aware that is too frequent to be sensible but I need the job to kick in frequently enough that I can test. |
| 23:28.48 | babilen | replman: strange |
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| 23:29.16 | JordiGH | shib: Sweet. I wonder if that's something that bled from Ubuntu into Debian. If Debian's bash starts suggesting packages to install when I typo something... |
| 23:29.28 | ratamahatta | middle east offline yet ? third undersee cable cut |
| 23:29.31 | replman | Ok, i opened my computer, disconnected the power and connected it again. Now it opens and closes |
| 23:29.40 | shib | JordiGH, that is my most hated thing about ubuntu |
| 23:29.42 | replman | No risk, no fun ;-) |
| 23:29.47 | JordiGH | shib: No kidding. |
| 23:29.52 | shib | every typo has to be processed |
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| 23:30.14 | untitled | what should I install to get nvidia module for my kernel? there is no module for 2.6.22-3...the latest is for 2.6.18 |
| 23:30.29 | JordiGH | shib: Each time I use an Ubuntu box, I have to remember how to disable that feature. Most annoying thing ever. I'm already at a bash prompt, aren't I? That means I know what the hell I want to type in it. |
| 23:30.40 | shib | you'd think.... |
| 23:30.56 | JordiGH | shib: Well, in theory. :-) |
| 23:31.39 | babilen | ratamahatta: i start to believe that thsese cuts are not so unintentional after all... |
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| 23:32.06 | replman | but it doesn't mount anymore. Looks like i have to restart my computer :-( |
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| 23:32.14 | ratamahatta | babilen: one maybe yes but three ? i also doubt it |
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| 23:32.59 | replman | oh, manual mount works, so seems the process i killed was the automounter |
| 23:34.40 | JordiGH | babilen: That's what the middle east gets for hating freedom. |
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| 23:35.10 | enzo | fiou.. method explained in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is very complicated |
| 23:35.21 | enzo | i don't have nvidia-glx package |
| 23:35.37 | JordiGH | enzo: You're using lenny? |
| 23:35.41 | enzo | yes |
| 23:37.18 | themill | cilkay: I've never used kcrontab, but that looks ok. I presume it is correctly listed in crontab -l? |
| 23:37.19 | ratamahatta | internet slowdowns here and there |
| 23:37.23 | babilen | enzo: it basically boils down to typing m-a a-i after installing nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:37.36 | cilkay | themill: yes |
| 23:37.55 | babilen | enzo: m-a a-i nvidia that is |
| 23:38.04 | themill | cilkay: does your script rely on environment variables? $PATH, $USERNAME or similar? |
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| 23:39.22 | enzo | when i do that babilen, i get an error while installing source nvidia-kernel-source, package ignored, i should add something in sources.list, like contrib or non-free |
| 23:39.30 | cilkay | themill: No. The script contains: /usr/bin/rsync --verbose --progress --archive --compress --update myhost.com:/home/cilkay/backups/ /home/cilkay/backups/ds9/cilkay/backups/ > /home/cilkay/log/cron.log |
| 23:39.51 | enzo | and i have contrib and non-free, and i have the package nvidia-kernel-common babilen |
| 23:40.19 | enzo | but i don't have nvidia-kernel-source (and it's not in my apt-get) |
| 23:40.30 | JordiGH | Hm, do I need to restart iceweasel for nspluginwrapper thing to work? |
| 23:41.06 | themill | cilkay: are any keys or passwords required to log into myhost.com? |
| 23:41.11 | theatro | it doesnt hurt to restart it |
| 23:41.50 | cilkay | themill: Yes, but I have my RSA key loaded via ssh-agent. I can invoke the script manually without further auth. |
| 23:42.07 | JordiGH | Ah, got it working. |
| 23:42.17 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Thanks |
| 23:42.26 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: But there is something I don't get with the guide |
| 23:42.36 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: It says I need to set up a windows server |
| 23:42.47 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: I don't have Windows, except in VirtualBox |
| 23:42.53 | babilen | enzo: hmm, the source package should be apt-gettable |
| 23:43.00 | themill | cilkay: but does cron have your ssh-agent credentials? |
| 23:43.14 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: if you are sharing files between linux boxes then why dont you use nfs |
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| 23:43.21 | cilkay | themill: How would I check? |
| 23:43.26 | babilen | can you paste your sources list somewhere (http://rafb.net/paste) |
| 23:43.27 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: A friend at work recommended SMB. |
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| 23:43.51 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: if you just run linux its better to use nfs |
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| 23:44.00 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Ok, how do I do so, then? |
| 23:44.11 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: apt-get install nfs |
| 23:44.15 | DA-Laptop | Ok |
| 23:44.22 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: apt-get install nfs-common nfs-kernel-server |
| 23:44.38 | DA-Laptop | Hmm.. samba is still being installed. |
| 23:44.45 | DA-Laptop | Ok, apt just finished. |
| 23:44.50 | themill | cilkay: unless you explicitly connect your cronjob to your ssh-agent (e.g. by using keychain or by sourcing the appropriate ssh-agent files), you won't have access to your key from the cron job. |
| 23:45.03 | cilkay | themill: Aha! http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc2/ Thank you. |
| 23:45.03 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: installing nfs now |
| 23:45.09 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: nfs uses portmap and then you can just use the mount command so its easier |
| 23:45.28 | DA-Laptop | Ok. Can I use Konqueror? |
| 23:45.31 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: and its faster than samba too |
| 23:45.36 | DA-Laptop | Ok |
| 23:45.42 | DA-Laptop | makes sense... MSFT made SMB. :P |
| 23:45.42 | enzo | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free babilen + security repository + debian-mutimedia repository |
| 23:45.43 | JordiGH | DA-Laptop: Yeah, konqui can do Samba. :-) |
| 23:45.49 | DA-Laptop | Cool |
| 23:45.54 | DA-Laptop | JordiGH: No wait, NFS, not samba |
| 23:45.59 | themill | cilkay: :) |
| 23:46.14 | JordiGH | DA-Laptop: NFS mounts like any other thing you mount. When you're using NFS, it's just a directory somewhere in your tree. |
| 23:46.32 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: shares are added into /etc/exports |
| 23:46.32 | JordiGH | DA-Laptop: To application programs, there's no protocol to worry about. |
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| 23:46.41 | DA-Laptop | Ok, it's just that I have never used such a system before. |
| 23:46.53 | DA-Laptop | So far, I've been using an HTTP server on the desktop, along with SFTP. |
| 23:47.11 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: samba is specifically for sharing files with a windowz box |
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| 23:47.19 | DA-Laptop | Ok, NFS is installed - now, what do I do? :P |
| 23:47.21 | babilen | enzo: looks fine. what happens if you install nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 23:47.27 | JordiGH | ratamahatta: It can be used with GNU systems too, but it's a little clunky. |
| 23:47.31 | babilen | enzo: or if you try to install it. |
| 23:47.35 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: /etc/init.d/portmap start |
| 23:47.45 | JordiGH | DA-Laptop: You need an NFS server. What are you trying to do anyways? |
| 23:47.47 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: vi /etc/exports and add some shares |
| 23:48.01 | DA-Laptop | JordiGH: I want to be able to access multimedia from other computers without having to transfer it |
| 23:48.06 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start |
| 23:48.15 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Ok, thanks. |
| 23:48.21 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: thats the server part |
| 23:48.28 | JordiGH | DA-Laptop: Ah, NFS is probably what you want, then. |
| 23:48.29 | enzo | i don't find this package in apt-cache search babilen |
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| 23:48.43 | enzo | but nevermind, i've installed the driver nvidia.com way, more easy |
| 23:48.43 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: /etc/init.d/nfs-common start and then mount -t nfs .... for the client |
| 23:48.53 | JordiGH | DA-Laptop: You'll have to read a little about exports (man exports) and figure out how you want the server to share that one directory. |
| 23:48.57 | DA-Laptop | JordiGH: Intel's wifi drivers are a bit...flaky, shall we say, and whenever I try to transfer large files, the connection dies and doesn't get revived until I reboot. |
| 23:49.08 | JordiGH | DA-Laptop: Which driver? |
| 23:49.12 | DA-Laptop | JordiGH: iwlwifi |
| 23:49.27 | JordiGH | Yeah, I'm using that one too. Flakey, but they admit it's flakey themselves. |
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| 23:49.39 | babilen | enzo: it should be there. what happens if you try to install it with apt-get ? |
| 23:49.42 | DA-Laptop | JordiGH: http://bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1490 |
| 23:49.48 | DA-Laptop | JordiGH: I submitted that bug report to Intel ages ago |
| 23:49.48 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: example entry for /etc/exports is : /var/lib/mysql/ 192.168.5.7/32(no_root_squash,rw,sync) |
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| 23:49.53 | DA-Laptop | JordiGH: They've done a fairly good job ignoring it |
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| 23:50.13 | babilen | enzo: one of the advantages by doing it the debian way, is that you get updates for that package |
| 23:50.30 | |DawnLight| | hello. i've used live-helper to make a binary.img file. how do deploy it in my usb msc attached hdd? |
| 23:50.32 | babilen | enzo: but i think there is something wrong with your mirror |
| 23:50.38 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Well, I would like access to my home directory, as well as everything in /media (multiple external hard drives) |
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| 23:51.00 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: then you add that to /etc/exports |
| 23:51.10 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 23:51.14 | enzo | i try another fr2 |
| 23:51.45 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: What do I enter to make it available to everything in 192.168.0.* |
| 23:51.48 | DA-Laptop | ? |
| 23:51.55 | DA-Laptop | Also, is it possible to password protect it? |
| 23:52.00 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 23:52.08 | DA-Laptop | Okay, thanks |
| 23:52.35 | enzo | no nvidia-kernel-source with another mirror |
| 23:52.49 | real0ne | i have dell d400 and i want driver for mause and WIFI plz for debian |
| 23:53.01 | babilen | enzo: is that by searching with apt-cache or installing with apt-get? |
| 23:53.11 | enzo | both babilen |
| 23:53.12 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: there is one level of protection in the portmapper |
| 23:53.15 | babilen | enzo: try ftp.debian.org |
| 23:53.24 | babilen | enzo: very strange.. |
| 23:53.38 | babilen | enzo: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-kernel-source&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 23:53.40 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: and there is one in the exports file by specifying specific addresses and such |
| 23:53.48 | babilen | enzo: it should be there |
| 23:54.03 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Well, I'd like to be able to access it from every computer in the network, but I don't want the rest of my family to be able to. |
| 23:54.25 | babilen | enzo: assuming that you are on amd64 or i386 ;-) |
| 23:54.34 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: then you can also use /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 23:54.38 | enzo | i686 i think |
| 23:54.46 | enzo | no kernel-source package on ftp.debian.org neither |
| 23:54.47 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: thats the portmap acces and deny files |
| 23:55.07 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: But the problem - I want to be able to mount it, I'd just like it to ask me for a password first |
| 23:55.11 | real0ne | i have dell d400 and i want driver for mause and WIFI plz for debian |
| 23:55.15 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: of in the exports file you specify the specific ranges |
| 23:55.34 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: no you dont want that |
| 23:55.48 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Ok, hold a moment, I'll turn some other stuff on to get all the IP addresses I need |
| 23:55.54 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: you dont want that hussle |
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| 23:56.19 | babilen | enzo: that is almost impossible. we are now using the same mirror and i have the package. |
| 23:56.32 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: if you want to specify it per person to access it then you have to set up users with rights |
| 23:56.41 | babilen | enzo: ah, got it! |
| 23:56.47 | enzo | ah ? |
| 23:56.57 | babilen | enzo: you do not have sarge in you sources.list do you? |
| 23:57.10 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: if more than one person access the pc then use a user and rights |
| 23:57.16 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: 192.168.0.116, and everything in 192.168.0.170-179 |
| 23:57.18 | babilen | enzo: you just have testing (should be lenny there btw) |
| 23:57.33 | enzo | i prefer being in testing |
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| 23:57.40 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: No wait, hold a sec |
| 23:57.43 | enzo | to be fresh |
| 23:57.43 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Missing a few IPs. |
| 23:57.44 | real0ne | i have dell d400 and i want driver for mause and WIFI plz for debian |
| 23:57.51 | babilen | enzo: the package is in sarge and sid, so you have to add at least sarge to your sources.list |
| 23:57.56 | enzo | i don't have sarge in my sources babilen |
| 23:58.00 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: yeah you can probably use wildcards and so on |
| 23:59.00 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: maybe its easier to block specific pcs if they are just one or two pcs |
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| 23:59.01 | babilen | enzo: just add it. you can even add sid as well, and specify your preferred distribution in /etc/apt/apt/conf |
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| 23:59.30 | real0ne | i have dell d400 and i want driver for mause and WIFI plz for debian |
| 23:59.33 | enzo | i don't have this file |
| 23:59.45 | babilen | enzo: apt.conf. just add a line "APT::Default-Release "testing";" and your system will not install packages from sid |
| 23:59.47 | enzo | but i don't want to be in sid, just testing right ? sid is too dangerous for me |
| 23:59.59 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Ok, figured it out - I only need two IPs to be allowed, .116 and .178 |
