| 00:00.04 | DA-Laptop | The rest are unnecessary |
| 00:00.21 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Had to look at my router's logs, forgot the IPs I normally use. |
| 00:00.24 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: then you can use the exports file for that |
| 00:00.32 | DA-Laptop | Do I add a new line for every IP? |
| 00:00.36 | babilen | enzo: you probably want to stay in testing. |
| 00:00.42 | DA-Laptop | Or how do I put the two IPs in? |
| 00:00.45 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: no add them on the same line |
| 00:00.57 | DA-Laptop | separated by a comma? |
| 00:01.01 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: space |
| 00:01.01 | babilen | enzo: just create the file /etc/apt/apt.conf with the aforementioned content |
| 00:01.05 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 00:01.25 | real0ne | i have dell d400 and i want driver for mause and WIFI plz for debian |
| 00:01.32 | babilen | enzo: after that you can safely add sarge and sid, and the whole range of packages will be available to you |
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| 00:01.42 | enzo | ok |
| 00:02.11 | babilen | enzo: the line should be in there without the quotes! |
| 00:02.31 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Started NFS. It complains about !neither subtree_check or no_subtree_check specified for export blah blah..." |
| 00:02.38 | DA-Laptop | " not ! :p |
| 00:02.42 | DA-Laptop | What does that mean? |
| 00:03.11 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: did you add the (no_root_squash,rw,sync) ? |
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| 00:03.17 | enzo | i don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf but /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 00:03.21 | DA-Laptop | real0ne: run lspci -n and copy the output to www.pastebin.ca |
| 00:03.28 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Yes |
| 00:04.00 | JordiGH | enzo: Create /etc/apt/apt.conf if it doesn't exist. |
| 00:04.00 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: its a warning right ? |
| 00:04.00 | enzo | ok |
| 00:04.00 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: yes |
| 00:04.00 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: ignore it then |
| 00:04.00 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 00:04.13 | DA-Laptop | Now... to add it to Konqueror... let's see if this works. |
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| 00:04.23 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: worry about the warnings later :) |
| 00:04.56 | babilen | DA-Laptop: most people agree that it is safe to disable subtree checking. but you shouldn't care right now |
| 00:04.59 | enzo | i have APT::Default-Release testing; |
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| 00:05.06 | enzo | in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 00:05.07 | babilen | enzo: great |
| 00:05.08 | enzo | that's it ? |
| 00:05.12 | nownot | ok im reading info in from serial port via cu commands. how do i use the info i recieve and pass it to a script or something i can use in a db? |
| 00:05.12 | DA-Laptop | KDE's add network folder wizard asks me for folder type. webdav or ms network drive? |
| 00:05.19 | ratamahatta | babilen: how do you disable that ? |
| 00:05.29 | DA-Laptop | babilen: What is it, though? |
| 00:05.32 | DA-Laptop | I'm a NFS noob :p |
| 00:05.53 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: you have to add a mount yet ? |
| 00:05.55 | enzo | but it may be dangerous to have sid in my sources babilen no ? |
| 00:05.57 | babilen | ratamahatta: you give no_subtree_check as an option |
| 00:06.01 | DA-Laptop | babilen: I just asked a question |
| 00:06.03 | DA-Laptop | KDE's add network folder wizard asks me for folder type. webdav or ms network drive? |
| 00:06.07 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: or does konq do the mounting ? |
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| 00:06.16 | yzaLyzarC | Sapphire Radeon HD 2400 PRO 256MB DDR2, PCI-Express, DVI-I/Tv-out/HDMI, Heatsink, does this card work with debian? |
| 00:06.18 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: I assume it does, never tried it before. |
| 00:06.27 | enzo | that's completely strange that nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing sources babilen |
| 00:06.35 | babilen | enzo: you will not need sid. but it is safe right now, as your system will not install packages from sid unless told so explicitly |
| 00:06.48 | enzo | yes in sid, i see all these packages on nvidia babilen |
| 00:07.08 | enzo | ah ok |
| 00:07.38 | babilen | enzo: your default release is "testing" and packages from testing will have a higher priority than those from stable and unstable |
| 00:07.50 | babilen | enzo: the package should be in etch too |
| 00:08.13 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: add no_subtree_check for the warning |
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| 00:08.23 | enzo | etch and sid but not in testing babilen :) |
| 00:08.27 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Okay, but what does it mean? |
| 00:08.33 | nownot | ok im reading info in from serial port via cu commands. how do i use the info i recieve and pass it to a script or something i can use in a db? |
| 00:08.53 | enzo | so i do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common |
| 00:08.57 | babilen | enzo: yes, so it seems |
| 00:08.58 | ratamahatta | This option disables subtree checking, which has mild security implications, but can improve reliability |
| 00:09.04 | enzo | and then m-a a-i nvidia that's it babilen ? |
| 00:09.27 | babilen | enzo: be a bit careful and check first if that unintentionally changes more packages than you want |
| 00:09.33 | babilen | enzo: basically |
| 00:09.42 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Okay. Now how do I add this thing to Konqueror? |
| 00:09.45 | babilen | enzo: you need to install module-assistant as well |
| 00:09.57 | babilen | enzo: that is the m-a part |
| 00:10.08 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: you mount it first i think with mount -t nfs ... |
| 00:10.09 | enzo | ok |
| 00:10.25 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 00:10.36 | real0ne | http://www.pastebin.ca/888300 |
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| 00:10.39 | babilen | enzo: and i would suggest switching to aptitude soon as it is the default package manager in testing and has better dependency handling |
| 00:10.43 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Then the IP, and a mountpoint, I assume? |
| 00:10.47 | real0ne | DA-Laptop http://www.pastebin.ca/888300 |
| 00:10.48 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: you can add also a line to fstab to automount it on startup |
| 00:11.07 | babilen | enzo: please paste the output of that apt-get command, before confirming it |
| 00:11.21 | babilen | enzo: i just want to make sure everything is fine |
| 00:11.24 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Not a good idea - connecting to my wifi is a nightmare with this damn Intel card :P |
| 00:11.30 | babilen | enzo: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 00:12.16 | enzo | rha my debian has crashed, can't paste |
| 00:12.24 | DA-Laptop | real0ne: 01:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev05) |
| 00:12.34 | real0ne | no |
| 00:12.38 | DA-Laptop | real0ne: You need to install the ipw2100 drivers, I think |
| 00:12.42 | DA-Laptop | Ask in #ipw2100 |
| 00:12.47 | real0ne | the big problem is the wirless |
| 00:12.51 | real0ne | is the mause |
| 00:12.58 | real0ne | the big problem is the mause |
| 00:13.00 | enzo | andbut i see nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-source and glx legacy and so on babilen |
| 00:13.02 | DA-Laptop | Your wireless mouse? |
| 00:13.08 | real0ne | no |
| 00:13.13 | real0ne | laptop mause |
| 00:13.20 | real0ne | normal |
| 00:13.24 | real0ne | mouse |
| 00:13.30 | real0ne | but is very slow |
| 00:13.41 | real0ne | and he sirect always to left |
| 00:13.56 | babilen | enzo: i do no have a nvidia card so i do not really have much experience with the drivers... |
| 00:14.00 | enzo | i'll try tomorrow babilen, gonna sleep now |
| 00:14.11 | DA-Laptop | real0ne: Touchpad? |
| 00:14.15 | real0ne | yes |
| 00:14.19 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: mount -t nfs [ip-of-nfs-server]:/var/lib/mysql/ /nfs-mount-dir |
| 00:14.23 | enzo | well i've installed debian maybe 10 times today, i can't crash another one, it's not a problem :) |
| 00:14.27 | real0ne | DA-Laptop |
| 00:14.31 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Ah, thanks |
| 00:14.33 | babilen | enzo: i guess you need to either install nvidia-glx (i assume that is the binary package) from sid, or compile the source yourself |
| 00:15.15 | babilen | enzo: m-a a-i after installing nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:15.20 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: |
| 00:15.23 | DA-Laptop | Liberty:/home/darkapostrophe# mount -t nfs 192.168.0.130:/home/darkapostrophe test/ |
| 00:15.23 | DA-Laptop | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.0.130:/home/darkapostrophe, |
| 00:15.32 | enzo | yes, i've written done all this babilen thanks |
| 00:15.34 | babilen | enzo: bon nui! |
| 00:15.40 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 00:15.43 | enzo | bonne nuit ;) |
| 00:15.49 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: No, it's a different computer |
| 00:15.54 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: It just has the same username |
| 00:16.07 | babilen | enzo: pay attention to the first upgrade you do. just to make sure the default release thing worked correctly (it should, but you never know!) |
| 00:16.12 | enzo | one day, my raid1 crypted, compiz, virtual box, kde will work ... |
| 00:16.22 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: The server is my desktop, I'm now typing on my laptop, as my name indicates |
| 00:16.31 | babilen | enzo: yes it will... |
| 00:16.58 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: DA-Laptop did you install portmap and nfs on both machines ? |
| 00:17.00 | real0ne | DA-Laptop |
| 00:17.13 | DA-Laptop | real0ne: Hmm, I think I forgot on the laptop |
| 00:17.18 | DA-Laptop | real0ne: One sec please |
| 00:17.22 | real0ne | ok |
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| 00:17.45 | DA-Laptop | Woohoo, it worked :D |
| 00:17.52 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: nice |
| 00:17.53 | babilen | DA-Laptop: congrats! |
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| 00:17.56 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Thanks :D :D |
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| 00:18.13 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: its way easier than samba |
| 00:18.24 | babilen | DA-Laptop: you've earned yourself the "dabian admin of the hour" badge |
| 00:18.28 | yzaLyzarC | Is there debian drivers for 4 |
| 00:18.29 | yzaLyzarC | 5 |
| 00:18.29 | yzaLyzarC | Is there debian drivers for 5.75 |
| 00:18.29 | yzaLyzarC | 3.2 |
| 00:18.29 | yzaLyzarC | 5.5 |
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| 00:18.35 | DA-Laptop | haha, thanks, babilen |
| 00:18.47 | DA-Laptop | babilen: Generally, I'm nooby at stuff I haven't tinkered with before. |
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| 00:19.08 | DA-Laptop | babilen: For example, I didn't know the difference between WEP and WPA until I got myself a wireless router. |
| 00:19.13 | DA-Laptop | Which was about half a year ago. |
| 00:19.28 | babilen | DA-Laptop: did you or your neighbour found out about the difference first? |
| 00:19.30 | DA-Laptop | I rarely bother to look into stuff that doesn't apply to me :p |
| 00:19.34 | DA-Laptop | haha |
| 00:19.40 | DA-Laptop | No, I don't do any piggybacking |
| 00:19.46 | DA-Laptop | I see it as trespassing |
| 00:19.47 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: now try to unmount it and see if konq does the mounting |
| 00:20.16 | DA-Laptop | A violation of property rights |
| 00:20.16 | DA-Laptop | ok |
| 00:20.16 | babilen | DA-Laptop: exactly! |
| 00:20.16 | real0ne | DA-Laptop onesecond is finish :) |
| 00:20.16 | DA-Laptop | <--- Anarcho-capitalist/libertarian |
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| 00:20.51 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: It asks me for the type of network share |
| 00:21.08 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: then choose nfs ofcourse |
| 00:21.10 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Webdav, FTP (I know it's not that), MS network drive, or SSH (I know it's not that either= |
| 00:21.16 | DA-Laptop | It doesn't give me the option of choosing NFS |
| 00:21.21 | ratamahatta | hmm |
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| 00:22.06 | DA-Laptop | babilen: I do know the WPA/WEP stuff now. I know that WEP is a joke that can be cracked in a minute, and that WPA2-CCMP-PSK is the best way to go for home environments. :) |
| 00:22.15 | DA-Laptop | babilen: I learn stuff that has to do with me... :p |
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| 00:23.15 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: maybe konq needs to be restarted |
| 00:23.21 | DA-Laptop | already tried |
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| 00:23.57 | DA-Laptop | Maybe a reboot will do the trick - KDE's got craploads of internal stuff in memory. |
| 00:24.00 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: then add a line to fstab and then konq might find it |
| 00:24.09 | maddash | how do I make dd quiet? |
| 00:24.11 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: no reboot mate |
| 00:24.19 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: thats evil |
| 00:24.23 | DA-Laptop | hehe |
| 00:24.39 | DA-Laptop | This laptop has a few kinks and bugs that force me to |
| 00:24.40 | rox | hi, guys, could somebody please ping trac.teroristi.org and tell me whether the host replys? |
| 00:24.48 | babilen | DA-Laptop: did you try accessing it with "nfs://server/path/to/share" ? |
| 00:24.48 | maddash | nvm. |
| 00:24.50 | DA-Laptop | Whenever my wireless goes down, I need to reboot to get it up again |
| 00:24.56 | DA-Laptop | babilen: No, I will |
| 00:25.30 | DA-Laptop | An error occurred while loading nfs://192.168.0.130/home/darkapostrophe: |
| 00:25.30 | DA-Laptop | Authorization failed, 192.168.0.130 authentication not supported |
| 00:25.38 | babilen | DA-Laptop: i am not a kde user, so i am no expert on kde automounting |
| 00:25.47 | ratamahatta | rox: its asking for a pass and user |
| 00:25.53 | DA-Laptop | I am, but I've never done share stuff before |
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| 00:26.06 | rox | ratamahatta: thank you for your kind help :-) |
| 00:26.24 | DA-Laptop | Wait, I'll just try to sort real0ne's problem out first |
| 00:26.25 | rox | ratamahatta: i just wanted to know whether the nameserver resolves the hostname |
| 00:26.35 | DA-Laptop | real0ne: What was your issue again? Faulty touchpad? |
| 00:26.42 | real0ne | DA-Laptop i will go now |
| 00:26.47 | real0ne | yes |
| 00:27.02 | rox | ratamahatta: i'm a sepultura fan myself :-) |
| 00:27.04 | real0ne | DA-Laptop yes Faulty touchpad |
| 00:27.06 | DA-Laptop | Do you use KDE or GNOME? I know KDE has some touchpad-related configuration stuff in kconfig |
| 00:27.07 | babilen | DA-Laptop: "nfs://username@server/path/to/share" ? |
| 00:27.15 | DA-Laptop | babilen: Hmm..worth a try |
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| 00:27.29 | babilen | DA-Laptop: nope, should not make any difference |
| 00:27.36 | DA-Laptop | babilen: It didn't. |
| 00:28.06 | troythetechguy | I'm a newer linux user and thinking of trying debian. I only used Ubuntu to this point. How does Debian do with wireless networking? |
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| 00:28.32 | DA-Laptop | troythetechguy: Anything the kernel supports is supported by all Linux distros... :/ |
| 00:28.43 | babilen | troythetechguy: depends on your chipset. but i do not think you'll have any problems |
| 00:28.44 | ratamahatta | nfs-server-ip:/var/lib/mysql /nfs-mount-dir nfs defaults , for fstab DA-Laptop |
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| 00:29.13 | ratamahatta | rox: what kind of site are you running ? |
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| 00:29.20 | troythetechguy | Does Debian have the restricted driver thing like Ubuntu? |
| 00:29.27 | rox | ratamahatta: nothing special |
| 00:29.29 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: It's been ages since I tinkered with fstab, is it the file that shows currently mounted FSs? Or was that mtab? And does it automount? |
| 00:29.40 | rox | ratamahatta: i just have a directory full of useless stuff |
| 00:29.42 | DA-Laptop | troythetechguy: No, but I'm sure you can install them manually. |
| 00:29.51 | rox | ratamahatta: see http://teroristi.org |
| 00:29.52 | ratamahatta | rox: but it sounds a bit suspicious |
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| 00:29.58 | troythetechguy | alright, I'll give it a try. Thank you. |
| 00:30.03 | rox | ratamahatta: the domain name is provocative, yes |
| 00:30.11 | rox | ratamahatta: that was the idea |
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| 00:30.32 | rox | >:-) |
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| 00:30.48 | DA-Laptop | rox: That's a good way to attract attention to yourself by bureaucrats in Washington D.C. :p |
| 00:30.53 | ratamahatta | rox: right :)0 |
| 00:30.55 | rox | ratamahatta: there is nothing terrorist-like on the site |
| 00:31.10 | Tailsfan | How many DVDs do you need to install KDE for Debian |
| 00:31.17 | rox | DA-Laptop: believe it or not, some american ISPs have banned the domain |
| 00:31.25 | DA-Laptop | haha |
| 00:31.27 | DA-Laptop | Doesn't surprise me |
| 00:31.34 | babilen | ratamahatta: that will mount the nfs share on boot |
| 00:31.39 | rox | DA-Laptop: it did surprise me |
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| 00:31.56 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: nfs-server-ip:/var/lib/mysql /nfs-mount-dir nfs noauto , wont automount it on boot |
| 00:32.10 | DA-Laptop | Dude, rox, the amount of americans that think that the world is a scary place, and that everything that doesn't have a flag on it must be evil, isn't exactly small. :p |
| 00:32.23 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Thanks |
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| 00:33.19 | rox | DA-Laptop: their loss; they are the ones living in fear, not me. As long as they don't bug me with their paranoia i'm perfectly fine with that |
| 00:33.22 | ttl- | greetings |
| 00:33.39 | rox | ttl-: i greet you too, Sir |
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| 00:33.57 | DA-Laptop | rox: That's the problem though - democracy being the POS it is, they can force everyone into a restricted police state |
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| 00:34.22 | Tailsfan | How Many? |
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| 00:35.02 | ttl- | i'm trying to install testing on a toshiba tecra s1 laptop, everything goes well until the grub install, it says failed to install grub, can anyone help me with this ? |
| 00:35.44 | amphi | !laptop |
| 00:35.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 00:36.15 | rox | DA-Laptop: that is true, but the legislators and enforcers don't have 100% control over your freedom |
| 00:36.32 | DA-Laptop | rox: Wanna ask the people in North Korea? |
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| 00:36.34 | amphi | debian enforcers? |
| 00:36.35 | rox | DA-Laptop: your freedom also depends on yout will to take it |
| 00:36.58 | DA-Laptop | rox: Dude, my will to take it is as high as it gets - I'm a Rothbardian anarchist |
| 00:37.24 | rox | amphi: yeah, we are enforcing debian on everybody |
| 00:37.30 | amphi | #politics or #raving would perhaps be more suitable channels |
| 00:37.53 | grendal_prime | !debiantakover |
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| 00:37.59 | grendal_prime | !debian-takover |
| 00:38.00 | rox | DA-Laptop: then you must be more familiar with what i was talking about then i do |
| 00:38.06 | grendal_prime | !debian-takeover |
| 00:38.22 | grendal_prime | now where did that project go? |
| 00:38.30 | DA-Laptop | rox: If you ever feel like reading a good book, I highly recommend Murray N. Rothbard's "For a New Liberty" |
| 00:38.33 | themill | !debtakeover |
| 00:38.34 | dpkg | it has been said that debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 00:38.39 | rox | amphi: right |
| 00:38.43 | themill | grendal_prime: like that? |
| 00:38.45 | DA-Laptop | rox: That book basically helped kickstart modern Libertarianism and Anarcho-capitalism |
| 00:39.06 | grendal_prime | thank you |
| 00:39.09 | DA-Laptop | rox: There are free audiobook/ebook links at the bottom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_a_New_Liberty |
| 00:39.12 | themill | :) |
| 00:39.28 | rox | DA-Laptop: thank you for your suggestions, but like amphi said, we should really take it to a more suitable channel |
| 00:39.46 | DA-Laptop | #ronpaul? :P |
| 00:39.48 | themill | DA-Laptop, rox: #politics or even #debian-offtopic if you like.... |
| 00:40.13 | DA-Laptop | rox: Let's take it to ##RonPaul - plenty more Rothbardians there. :) |
| 00:41.11 | rox | DA-Laptop && themill : #ronpaul it is |
| 00:41.27 | internat85 | howdy.. this is probablya stupid question, but i have an edid.bin file from nvidia-seettings can i use that somehow to configure x with? |
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| 00:44.19 | Ryan52 | Doese anybody know of a webbrowser that doesn't use gtk or qt (I think that's kde's...not sure) but just uses X? (The would be a fun project to code) |
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| 00:45.31 | stiv2k | help i cannot get to runlevel 3 because my consoles go black as soon as Xorg starts! |
| 00:45.37 | Ryan52 | I upgraded this morning and now anything that uses those libraries has GIANT text for the textboxes and menus... |
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| 00:46.30 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: why reinvent a toolkit? |
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| 00:46.38 | stiv2k | rootkit? |
| 00:46.40 | Ryan52 | I upgraded this morning and now anything that uses those libraries has GIANT text for the textboxes and menus... |
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| 00:47.00 | Ryan52 | dondelelcaro: I upgraded this morning and now anything that uses those libraries has GIANT text for the textboxes and menus... |
| 00:47.07 | stiv2k | lmao... |
| 00:47.14 | stiv2k | Ryan52: you dont have to say it 3 times |
| 00:47.21 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: you've said that now 3 times... most likely, you've got some local ~/.gtk or ~/.gnome which has invalid settings. |
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| 00:48.06 | Ryan52 | there is no .gtk and the only thing in .gnome is for gmanedit. |
| 00:48.17 | Ryan52 | I don't use gnome |
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| 00:48.36 | Ryan52 | but it happens with konqueror too |
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| 00:48.48 | babilen | Ryan52: tried adjusting the fonts? |
| 00:49.03 | themill | Ryan52: check the display size and dpi settings |
| 00:49.04 | enouf | Ryan52: i use links2 -g |
| 00:49.17 | rubikcube | Hi, is there a general way to find out which processes access the hard drive how often? |
| 00:49.19 | enouf | (to answer your 1st question) |
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| 00:50.04 | Ryan52 | enouf: thanks, thats exactly what I needed |
| 00:50.05 | enouf | there's amny others to try too, opera(ugh, non-free), hv3, midori, elinks, etc |
| 00:50.06 | dkr | rubikcube: psacct |
| 00:50.21 | rubikcube | dkr: thanks, I'll look at it |
| 00:50.47 | dkr | rubikcube: "process accounting" is the general term. keeps track of cpu i/o per process |
| 00:50.55 | enouf | Ryan52: it's nice, light, and real fast, one binary is all it is - user doc http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html |
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| 00:51.54 | enouf | Ryan52: works in console too (GUI or Text mode), uses directfb, need to read /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian |
| 00:52.40 | Ryan52 | ooooo.....I may never have to leave my xterm again! |
| 00:52.49 | enouf | attaboy \o/ |
| 00:52.50 | amphi | enouf: heh, midori |
| 00:53.00 | enouf | amphi: <-- props |
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| 00:53.43 | amphi | enouf: it's more stable than it was |
| 00:54.47 | enouf | amphi: cool .. though i was surfing for info, found some RAM usage shootout stuff, not sure how much i believe the testers though (web forum weenies ;-)) |
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| 00:56.13 | Ryan52 | theres no /dev/fb0. Will just reconfiguring X to use the framebuffer fix that or is there more involved? |
| 00:56.24 | amphi | enouf: it's not _that_ low here, ~80MB with 6 tabs |
| 00:56.40 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Using NFS in /home works perfectly, but /media is providing trouble - while I can access all the external hard drives on the desktop, I can't do anything about them via NFS :/ |
| 00:56.46 | enouf | Ryan52: btw, another fast GUI only one that's dev has been stopped on is Dillo - very nice , but not nearly as links2, if you do code something, look at it atleast ;-) |
| 00:56.47 | DA-Laptop | It says permission denied |
| 00:57.44 | enouf | amphi: ahh .. i see, well your output i can trust ;-) who knows what other crap those b0z0s are doing to their systems ;-) |
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| 00:59.03 | sladoled | hello |
| 00:59.40 | amphi | enouf: webkit is not small |
| 00:59.44 | sladoled | i got debian 4.0 installed on virtual pc, everything works excellent, i installed it of netinstall, downloaded new updates, updated apt-get installed screen/irssi |
| 00:59.50 | sladoled | but it wont connect to irc.freenode.com |
| 01:00.06 | sladoled | it stops at connecting. |
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| 01:00.14 | enouf | amphi: right, ok, yeah, forgot, what's that enable now? all the flashpoopcrap? |
| 01:00.33 | amphi | enouf: 9.3M 2008-02-02 00:46 /usr/local/lib/libWebKitGtk.so.1.0.0 |
| 01:00.44 | snewp | sladoled: can you connect to the other server like efnet ? |
| 01:01.15 | amphi | enouf: webkit is a substitute for gecko; the rendering engine in OSX's safari, I believe; midori uses the gtk port |
| 01:01.19 | sladoled | snewp: u know i tried dal.net, and it went through just alil, it went beyond connecting |
| 01:01.34 | sladoled | snewp: not quite all the way so i just disc. because that aloen right there shows me that it does read internet |
| 01:01.45 | sladoled | snewp: windows irc has no problem from another machine same network |
| 01:01.56 | sladoled | not even dal.net will do any now |
| 01:02.16 | enouf | amphi: but who would want gecko? :-P |
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| 01:02.29 | sladoled | ok one server worked |
| 01:02.32 | sladoled | bolchat.com |
| 01:02.47 | sladoled | bolchat.org |
| 01:02.50 | sladoled | irc.bolchat.org worked |
| 01:02.53 | sladoled | free node wont :( |
| 01:03.10 | snewp | try specifying the port 6667 irc.freenode.net 6667 |
| 01:03.11 | amphi | enouf: that is the point of webkit ;) |
| 01:03.22 | sladoled | mm i tried that too let me try again |
| 01:03.34 | enouf | snewp: fwiw, i can connect also using port 8001 |
| 01:03.41 | sladoled | ok its kind of going through now |
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| 01:03.48 | alien | ok |
| 01:03.51 | alien | here i am =) |
| 01:03.55 | enouf | amphi: you mean the point of keeping it "separated" ;-) |
| 01:03.58 | alien | i guess it worked now since i tried another server and fully connected |
| 01:03.59 | alien | nice |
| 01:04.16 | alien | htanks snewp |
| 01:04.23 | snewp | np |
| 01:04.37 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: sorry can you explain it again i dont understand what you mean |
| 01:04.38 | alien | how do i update security features on debian 4.0 |
| 01:04.41 | amphi | enouf: well, not so much that, as creating something completely other ;) |
| 01:05.08 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Well, there's something screwy with the owner/group settings for the USB hard drives when accessed via NFS |
| 01:05.24 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: User/group when using it on the desktop: darkapostrophe/users |
| 01:05.31 | snewp | alien: apt-get or aptitude |
| 01:05.31 | DA-Laptop | But when accessing them via NFS: root/root |
| 01:05.35 | enouf | amphi: no cyber-borging-mutations allowed! :-p |
| 01:05.42 | alien | just alone apt-get ? |
| 01:06.01 | enouf | !security |
| 01:06.01 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 01:06.19 | snewp | that's one :) |
| 01:06.19 | amphi | enouf: good lord, no! perish the thought! |
| 01:06.20 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: you mean the permissions on the files and the directories |
| 01:06.20 | enouf | alien: do "/msg dpkg grounding" |
| 01:06.28 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: yes |
| 01:06.42 | amphi | enouf: midori's in sid and/or experimental, I think |
| 01:07.00 | enouf | amphi: i prefer to keep the zombies far away from my harem ;-0 |
| 01:07.08 | enouf | amphi: cool |
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| 01:07.45 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: the nfs files on the remote disk have the permissions of the remote host |
| 01:07.46 | amphi | heh |
| 01:08.07 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Strange that I can access the files as user when using the desktop directly then, but not when using NFS |
| 01:08.19 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: What user does NFS run as? |
| 01:08.25 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: so if your user id on the remote machine is 500 then its translated on your local machine to the user with id 500 |
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| 01:09.08 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: DA-Laptop instead of the name of the user on the file which you commonly see with ls , the number/id is user |
| 01:09.11 | alien | enouf: ok |
| 01:09.12 | ratamahatta | used* |
| 01:09.38 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: let me have a look |
| 01:09.47 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: do you understand what im saying ? |
| 01:10.25 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: I think so... not quite sure |
| 01:10.41 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: the nfs share uses the number/id of the permissions but on your local machine there maybe is no such user |
| 01:11.02 | DA-Laptop | darkapostrophe is UID 1000 |
| 01:11.16 | enouf | alien: and you did see what dpkg said above about !security yes?, if not, "/msg dpkg security" |
| 01:11.19 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: drwxr-xr-x 5 www-data www-data 4.0K 2006-12-20 21:48 mytemplates , is with user and group www-data |
| 01:11.38 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: but www-data must be the same id on the local machine too |
| 01:11.43 | alien | enouf: yes sir, aptitude update and aptitude upgrade =)) |
| 01:11.55 | DA-Laptop | ratamahatta: Ok, now I'm officially confused. |
| 01:12.02 | alien | as awalys ---> enough the linux masta |
| 01:12.03 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: eheh |
| 01:12.10 | alien | always* |
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| 01:12.38 | ratamahatta | DA-Laptop: so if darkapostrophe is UID 1000 on the remote machine then on the local machine there maybe no user with id 1000 |
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| 01:12.53 | enouf | (who misspelled his nick :-P) |
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| 01:13.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: I just checked on this computer, darkapostrophe is UID 1000 here too |
| 01:13.36 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: the UIDs are used by nfs rather than the name "darkapostrophe" |
| 01:13.41 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: ah ok |
| 01:14.15 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: did you mount the drive as root ? |
| 01:14.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | No idea, KDE mounts it for me |
| 01:14.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | via HAL I think |
| 01:14.57 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: and you are logged in as a user so its mounted by a user |
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| 01:15.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Yes |
| 01:15.27 | Gm4n | Has anyone here had troubles installing packages from CPAN? |
| 01:15.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | When I'm on the desktop, I can go into /media/LACIE/ (one of the external hard drives), and open and edit files |
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| 01:16.12 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: mount: only root can do that |
| 01:16.35 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: i cant even mount it as a user but there is an option for that somewhere |
| 01:16.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: No, when I go into system:/media in Konqueror, it lists all available mediums |
| 01:16.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | I double-click on the external drive, it mounts it |
| 01:17.58 | amphi | Dark_Apostrophe: pmount |
| 01:18.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: When I try to access it via NFS, it says the owner is root/root, and that I do not have access to this location |
| 01:18.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | amphi: What good will that do via NFS? :/ |
| 01:18.40 | amphi | oh, nfs ;) |
| 01:18.51 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah thats weird |
| 01:19.06 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: if you mount it as root it should be alright though |
| 01:20.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, but I never mount them via CLI, I always use KDE's mounter. |
| 01:20.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | otherwise, I'm not able to access them as user |
| 01:20.28 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe you need the '-o user' option in fstab |
| 01:20.59 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: the uid/gid consitency is one of the biggest hassles of NFS. You could try using maproot with NFS, or access the files via ssh . |
| 01:21.03 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: or '-o users' even |
| 01:21.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: I used SSH before...that's kinda why I'm trying NFS out now. |
| 01:21.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: What's maproot? |
| 01:21.40 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: just try ssh://user@server in konqueror |
| 01:21.47 | ratamahatta | ssh isnt really good at filesharing |
| 01:21.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, I'm in it via konqueror, babilen |
| 01:22.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | When I manually mounted them, konqueror was able to access it |
| 01:22.19 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: maproot is an option you can give in the export files, to tell the server to map the local root server to a different client server |
| 01:22.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Meaning? |
| 01:23.08 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: root is usally mapped to nobody, and if nobody cannot write the exported directory the client will not as well |
| 01:23.15 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: what was wrong with ssh? |
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| 01:23.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: Well, it was horrid for actually using files like videos and such - SFTP required me to transfer the files to be able to use them, rather than use them in place |
| 01:24.05 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: or replace the no_root_squash with all_squash |
| 01:24.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Plus, craploads of bandwidth overhead. |
| 01:24.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Ok, what does that do? |
| 01:24.38 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: root_squash Map requests from uid/gid 0 to the anonymous uid/gid |
| 01:24.52 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: i think thats an option |
| 01:25.04 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: squash that root permissions |
| 01:25.08 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: Meaning is, that if you -maproot=darkapostrophe on your server, directories belonging to root on the server will be mapped to a different user |
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| 01:25.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: Aha, now I get it |
| 01:25.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: Thanks |
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| 01:25.45 | gene2 | i moved a module into /lib/modules/<kernel version/misc how can I update whatever it is I need to update so I can use modprobe to load this module? |
| 01:26.20 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: NFS is a little tricky and quite old. I really dislike the fact that you usually have to enforce identical UIDs/GIDs on the server and all clients |
| 01:26.28 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: try root_squash in /etc/exports on the nfs-server and restart the server |
| 01:26.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 01:26.34 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: which makes it a pain to use with laptop users |
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| 01:26.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | <--- Laptop user :p |
| 01:26.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | maybe Samba was better after alll |
| 01:26.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | all * |
| 01:28.02 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: nonsense ofcourse |
| 01:28.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll take your word for it |
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| 01:28.45 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: just because you encounter a problem doesnt mean anything ofcourse |
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| 01:29.09 | ratamahatta | we need problems |
| 01:29.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Yep, but as was pointed out, NFS is very old |
| 01:29.41 | ratamahatta | how else can we fix problems if there are no problems :) |
| 01:30.15 | ratamahatta | at least you learn something |
| 01:31.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | I suppose so. |
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| 01:31.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just tried removing the "no_" part before squash |
| 01:31.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Restarted the server |
| 01:31.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Didn't help |
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| 01:35.14 | emil | anyone running gnome and have quickkeys on their keyboard and trying change volume and nothing happens? |
| 01:35.52 | emil | cant find any setting that lets me choose device to use with my hotkeys |
| 01:37.13 | amphi | emil: do they generate xevents? you can test with xev from a term |
| 01:38.00 | emil | amphi: when i press volume down for example i se a popup window with volume down but nothing happens |
| 01:38.12 | emil | and when i choose mute nothing happens |
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| 01:39.02 | emil | seems like gnome trying to change volume for another device or something |
| 01:39.32 | dongs | how do i find out what version i have |
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| 01:39.54 | amphi | emil: I don't know about gnome, sorry |
| 01:40.16 | emil | amphi: i guess its a bugg or a missing feature :) |
| 01:40.26 | emil | dongs: version of what ? :) |
| 01:40.39 | dongs | debian i guess. |
| 01:40.47 | amphi | emil: my buttons generate xevents, which I give keysyms with xmodmap, and then in the window manager bind those keysyms to amixer commands |
| 01:41.08 | emil | dongs: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:41.17 | dongs | says testing/unstable or soemthing. |
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| 01:41.46 | babilen | dongs: qed |
| 01:41.53 | emil | amphi: i guess thats the way to go, but its sad that a cant do it "the gnome way" |
| 01:42.35 | amphi | emil: I am ignorant of the Way of Gnome - I'm not suggesting you necessarily do what I have done |
| 01:43.09 | emil | dongs: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:43.28 | emil | amphi: I know :) |
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| 01:44.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: What do I do now? |
| 01:44.32 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: jump up and down and shout ? |
| 01:44.52 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: all_squash is an option still |
| 01:44.59 | gmcastil | I'm trying to use apt-get to dump a listing of all available packages from the repositories listed in /etc/apt/sources.lst. I've read the man pages and found 'apt-cache search <filename>' but I'm specifically looking for a way to get the entire output and then pipe it to grep or something like that. |
| 01:45.08 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: but it may be the mounter i think |
| 01:45.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, I'll try all_squash |
| 01:45.32 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: edit /etc/fstab and add the -o users option there |
| 01:45.39 | dongs | gmcastil: gzip -dc Packages.gz | grep whateveryouwant |
| 01:46.10 | babilen | ratamahatta: all_quash will just map all uid/gid to anonymous, like root_squash does for uid 0 (root) |
| 01:46.15 | amphi | ratamahatta: apt-cache search "" perhaps ;) |
| 01:46.31 | amphi | ratamahatta: sorry, misfire |
| 01:46.33 | ratamahatta | all_squah is more of the same |
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| 01:46.39 | amphi | gmcastil: apt-cache search "" perhaps ;) |
| 01:47.04 | gmcastil | amphi: perfect...i had tried * |
| 01:47.11 | gmcastil | amphi: why did "" work, but not *? |
| 01:47.16 | ratamahatta | all_squah should be the same effect as root_squash |
| 01:47.19 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: what was your problem exactly? |
| 01:47.37 | ratamahatta | i think its the mounting |
| 01:47.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't access my USB hard drives via NFS |
| 01:47.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: None of them are in fstab :/ |
| 01:48.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | No wait, one of them is |
| 01:48.04 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: They are mounted on the server and belong to root:root? |
| 01:48.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | The mountpoints are owned by darkapostrophe:users |
| 01:48.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | No wait, darkapostrophe:root |
| 01:48.30 | gmcastil | amphi: thanks for pointing that out |
| 01:48.51 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: how do you mount them? |
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| 01:49.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Go into system:/media in konq and double-click them :P |
| 01:49.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Konq uses HAL, I think |
| 01:49.38 | amphi | gmcastil: you're welcome |
| 01:49.43 | emil | how come firefox is called iceweasel in debian? |
| 01:50.06 | amphi | 'cos it sounds cooler |
| 01:50.12 | amphi | !iceweasel |
| 01:50.12 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 01:51.16 | dongs | so after i change sources.list to somethign latest/updated, how do I get everything to update to that? aptitude dist-upgrade? or wat |
| 01:51.29 | emil | amphi: isnt firefox opensource all the way? |
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| 01:51.39 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: can you configure in KDE how these drives are mounted? |
| 01:51.51 | amphi | !tell emil -about why iceweasel |
| 01:52.10 | dongs | hello |
| 01:52.23 | babilen | dongs: hi |
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| 01:52.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: I don't think so |
| 01:52.34 | dongs | i added deb http://www.si-linux.co.jp/pub/debian-sh etch main contrib non-free to sources.list how do i upgrade everythign to the stuff tehre |
| 01:52.37 | dongs | dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:52.57 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: but before you had it working |
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| 01:54.00 | emil | dongs: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:54.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: I didn't do anything to configure it, I just double-clicked the icons... |
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| 01:54.57 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: do your users have different UIDs on server/client? |
| 01:55.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | no |
| 01:55.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | both have the name darkapostrophe, and both have UID 1000 |
| 01:55.33 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah well i can only mount as root so im surprised you can mount as a user |
| 01:55.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Maybe it's something HAL does |
| 01:55.53 | dongs | mkay |
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| 01:56.12 | babilen | ratamahatta: it is the KDE automounter which mounts it as user:root |
| 01:56.43 | dongs | 140 packages upgraded, 22 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:56.44 | dongs | heh |
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| 01:57.26 | dongs | lets see if this works. |
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| 01:57.42 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: you export the filesystem (/media/ ??) with rw option? |
| 01:57.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | yes |
| 01:57.59 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: can you mount them on the client? |
| 01:58.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can mount the /media directory, but I can't access the external drives that are in that directory |
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| 02:00.41 | Ryan52 | okay, so all applications that aren't xterm have GIANT text after I upgraded my X drivers. How do I fix this? (I'm using lenny |
| 02:00.49 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: this may be the subtree setting you added |
| 02:00.50 | mirak | hi |
| 02:00.56 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: remember the warning |
| 02:01.04 | mirak | is there a away to relaod the partition table as it is in /proc/partitions ? |
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| 02:01.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Ok, so I remove it? |
| 02:01.14 | osmosis | where can I put a command that I want to run at bootup ? |
| 02:01.16 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: yes try it |
| 02:01.23 | osmosis | something in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 02:01.44 | mirak | /etc/rc.local |
| 02:01.49 | mirak | oshiii-_^: |
| 02:01.53 | mirak | osmosis: |
| 02:02.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Didn't help |
| 02:02.26 | babilen | So the line reads something like "/media/extdisk ipOfClient/netmask (rw,no_root_squash)" ? |
| 02:02.43 | ratamahatta | subtree checking is also used to make sure that files inside directories to which only root has access can only be accessed if the filesystem is exported with no_root_squash (see below), even if the file itself allows more general access. |
| 02:03.14 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: didn't we agree not to use subtree checking? :-) |
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| 02:03.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Er... conflicting messages... |
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| 02:03.45 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, i'll bail out |
| 02:04.45 | ratamahatta | ,anonuid=150,anongid=100 |
| 02:05.34 | ratamahatta | you can add the user and group id : (rw,all_squash,anonuid=150,anongid=100) to the exports file |
| 02:05.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 02:06.00 | ratamahatta | uid is for you 1000 |
| 02:06.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 02:06.12 | ratamahatta | anonuid i mean |
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| 02:07.10 | JordiGH | Hey, amphi. Did you say that you had to compile your own kernel with acpi support? Right now I can't query the battery status, suspend, or hibernate. :-/ |
| 02:07.17 | babilen | his uid (1000) on the client is already mapped to his uid (1000) on the server |
| 02:07.55 | amphi | JordiGH: some legacy acpi /proc interface I think it is |
| 02:08.07 | amphi | JordiGH: do you have /sys/power/state? |
| 02:08.14 | amphi | if so, what's in it? |
| 02:08.24 | JordiGH | I do. |
| 02:08.29 | JordiGH | It has "mem disk". |
| 02:09.26 | JordiGH | acpi is also for suspend and hibernate, right? |
| 02:09.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Didn't help |
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| 02:10.33 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: its bedtime for me anyway |
| 02:10.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Same here, really...3AM |
| 02:10.43 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: can you paste the line from exports? |
| 02:10.59 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, i probably should as well :-) |
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| 02:11.09 | dongs | things are succeeding so far |
| 02:11.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: /media 192.168.0.116 192.168.0.178(all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=1000,rw,sync) |
| 02:12.21 | babilen | is media rw for darkapostrophe? |
| 02:12.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, I'm able to write to the external hard drives, so I assume so |
| 02:13.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, actually, /media itself isn't |
| 02:13.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | root:root |
| 02:14.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | but some of the subdirectories |
| 02:14.09 | ratamahatta | is /media root:root ?! |
| 02:14.18 | babilen | what are the 116 and 178 hosts? |
| 02:14.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | yes |
| 02:14.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | My laptop |
| 02:14.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | 116 is the wlan0 interface |
| 02:14.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | 178 is the eth0 interface |
| 02:14.56 | ratamahatta | on the share its root:root but on the drive itself its not right ? |
| 02:14.56 | babilen | are u using wlan or eth0 right now? |
| 02:15.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Yep |
| 02:15.21 | ratamahatta | on the drive itself it cannot be root:root |
| 02:15.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: wlan0 |
| 02:16.22 | ratamahatta | you cannot share a root:root directory to a user |
| 02:16.34 | ratamahatta | thats also logical |
| 02:17.03 | babilen | try http://rafb.net/p/jki6fB91.html |
| 02:17.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, but I do want to be able to access the drives in /media |
| 02:17.29 | ratamahatta | what does ls /media say ? |
| 02:17.42 | ratamahatta | ls -l /media |
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| 02:18.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | exportfs: /etc/exports:2: syntax error: bad option list |
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| 02:18.41 | babilen | the leading one is the line number |
| 02:19.03 | babilen | and add no_subtee_check to the options |
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| 02:19.34 | babilen | and delete the spaces :-) |
| 02:19.40 | babilen | god, i'm tired |
| 02:19.49 | babilen | sry |
| 02:20.29 | ratamahatta | what does ls -l /media say ? |
| 02:20.39 | babilen | maybe try exporting the drive itself, not complete /media |
| 02:20.45 | Xenguy_ | !tell ratamahatta about scroogle |
| 02:20.53 | Xenguy_ | ;-) |
| 02:21.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Mind if I paste it in a query? |
| 02:21.16 | ratamahatta | nice one Xenguy |
| 02:21.24 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: no do it |
| 02:22.42 | ratamahatta | ls -ld /media Dark_Apostrophe |
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| 02:23.36 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: so the root:root directories are not accessible and thats correct |
| 02:23.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | yes |
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| 02:24.34 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: paste the output of 'ls -ld /media' |
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| 02:24.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just did |
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| 02:24.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | oh wait |
| 02:24.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvm |
| 02:24.35 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: the -d option |
| 02:24.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 2008-02-02 02:52 /media |
| 02:24.35 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: add it |
| 02:24.36 | ratamahatta | right |
| 02:24.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have a motherboard intel D865PERL, I have 2 hard disks IDE and 1 SATA, the SATA disk disappear suddenly any time, I dont know why, it doesn't appear now in the output of the command 'fdisk -l', do you know why could be happening this issue? |
| 02:24.48 | ratamahatta | so there is no problem then |
| 02:25.04 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: my last try: http://rafb.net/p/beCZ8378.html |
| 02:25.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | gonzaloaf: SATA connectors tend to be very bad at staying in place... try making sure it's firmly attached. |
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| 02:25.56 | trong | hello |
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| 02:26.06 | dongs | does debian use initrd or any other idiocy by default |
| 02:26.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: exportfs: /etc/exports:2: unknown keyword "map_daemon" |
| 02:26.09 | gonzaloaf | Dark_Apostrophe, I've already have checked that, any other reason? |
| 02:26.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | gonzaloaf: Not that I know of. |
| 02:26.28 | ratamahatta | but /media is not writeable to users |
| 02:26.30 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: you can try with /media first, and then use the right directory insteaf of extdrive |
| 02:26.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 02:26.38 | gonzaloaf | Dark_Apostrophe, maybe a malfunction of my motherboard right? |
| 02:26.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Possible, I'm no hardware guru |
| 02:26.59 | trong | I am trying to install my flash plugin in download and I got the error message: |
| 02:27.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: exportfs: /etc/exports:2: unknown keyword "map_daemon" |
| 02:27.14 | ratamahatta | its better to change it with : chown user:group /media |
| 02:27.19 | trong | ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the |
| 02:27.20 | trong | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.27 | trong | any help? |
| 02:27.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | trong: Use apt. |
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| 02:28.00 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: too bad... try without |
| 02:28.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 02:28.29 | ratamahatta | ok im off |
| 02:28.34 | ratamahatta | l8r |
| 02:28.35 | emil | how come flashplayer sucks in linux |
| 02:28.41 | emil | :) |
| 02:28.48 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: found it in some generic faq and was meant to provide a mapping between server and client uids/gids |
| 02:28.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | thanks, and bye, ratamahatta |
| 02:28.51 | emil | takes way to much cpu power |
| 02:28.57 | babilen | ratamahatta: cya |
| 02:29.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | emil: Cause Adobe suck. |
| 02:29.06 | dongs | emil: what? period after sucks. |
| 02:29.21 | emil | Dark_Apostrophe: no doubt about it :) |
| 02:29.25 | trong | Dark_Apostrophe: what do you mean by using apt? sorry I am new to linux. |
| 02:29.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | emil: Try using GNU Gnash. |
| 02:29.51 | emil | Dark_Apostrophe: does it work well with firefox? |
| 02:29.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | trong: get a root terminal and type in apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 02:30.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | emil: I haven't used it since before summer, don't ask me, ask in #gnash |
| 02:30.15 | emil | okey |
| 02:30.17 | emil | :-) |
| 02:30.50 | emil | i dont know why its so hard to make a flashplayer that works |
| 02:31.02 | emil | they did it for mac osx so why is it so hard to make it for linux |
| 02:31.52 | rasher | emil: alternatively, swfdec |
| 02:32.10 | danderson | Hi. I'm trying to get hold of easy_install for python2.5 on debian etch. According to the package description, python-setuptools provides setuptools for py2.4 and 2.5. However, only py2.4 packages appear to be installed. Running easy_install-2.5 fails to find the pkg_resources module |
| 02:32.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: Still doesn't work :/ |
| 02:32.25 | danderson | Anyone know of how to fix this? |
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| 02:32.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | emil: Well, simply put, the Linux market is very small in comparison, so they only dedicate a handful of coders to it... hell, probably just one coder. |
| 02:33.02 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: D'oh! Too bad... |
| 02:33.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | emil: But rather than complain, the open source world has always been capable of substituting the commercial products for their own. |
| 02:33.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | GNU Gnash, when it comes to flash. |
| 02:33.40 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: I am off... hope you'll get it working soon.. |
| 02:33.41 | emil | I will give it a shoot |
| 02:33.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: Ok, thanks for your help :) |
| 02:34.19 | babilen | Dark_Apostrophe: Will try it myself soon... There has to be a way |
| 02:34.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: Ok. do you have some form of IM? |
| 02:34.50 | babilen | i'll be here :-) |
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| 02:35.06 | trong | Dark_Apostrophe |
| 02:35.08 | trong | # apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 02:35.09 | trong | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:35.11 | trong | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 02:35.12 | trong | E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 02:35.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | babilen: Yeah, but I suck at remembering names..especially nicknames. :p |
| 02:35.31 | babilen | trong: add non-free to sources list |
| 02:35.41 | trong | ok |
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| 02:37.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | trong: You need Christian Marillat's repo. |
| 02:38.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | trong: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 02:38.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm off to bed, bye, folks. |
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| 02:39.06 | sebastian_ | me too |
| 02:39.23 | sebastian_ | seeya in some hours :) |
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| 02:43.46 | JoeThomas | Hi anyone know much about crontab? |
| 02:44.27 | danderson | nobody for that setuptools bug in debian etch? |
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| 02:45.00 | dongs | JoeThomas: crontab -e |
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| 02:45.17 | JoeThomas | dongs: I set that, but I seem to not have any results with my crobjob. |
| 02:45.50 | Xenguy | JoeThomas: those cases are almost always syntax errors |
| 02:45.56 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:46.00 | JoeThomas | Xenguy: alright. |
| 02:46.08 | dongs | make sure the script/etc your running is debugged and works |
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| 02:46.45 | Xenguy | JoeThomas: FWIW I put this commented line at the top of my crontab files: # m h dom mon dow command |
| 02:47.35 | Xenguy | JoeThomas: minute hour dayofmonth month dayofweek (I think ;-) |
| 02:47.49 | js_ | man 5 crontab is good |
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| 02:48.00 | JoeThomas | Xenguy: crontab throws that comment in while you run -e |
| 02:48.10 | JoeThomas | gonna give it a go again. |
| 02:48.19 | Xenguy | JoeThomas: ahh, excellent |
| 02:48.20 | JordiGH | amphi: Newer 2.6.24 kernel in sid... Should I? :-) |
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| 02:50.51 | Xenguy | JordiGH: I dunno, is everything working fine right now? ;-) |
| 02:51.25 | dongs | gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 02:51.26 | dongs | cool |
| 02:51.32 | dongs | lets see if this will reboot and still work |
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| 02:53.42 | amphi | JordiGH: not if all is working well ;) |
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| 02:54.25 | JoeThomas | Alright, well i thought maybe it was a problem with my audio. Now I'm not 100% sure, I'm following a tutorial/my own way. I have a shell script to launch mplayer ALARM.mp3 |
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| 02:54.41 | JoeThomas | in crontab I'm calling it to the shell script. Yet, it does not play. |
| 02:55.37 | dongs | are you providing full paths to everything |
| 02:56.12 | JoeThomas | In crontab I'm providing path to the home dir of the script. In the script, I'm just using the filename of the mp3 |
| 02:56.20 | dongs | of course that wont work |
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| 02:57.00 | JoeThomas | It worked |
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| 02:57.15 | JoeThomas | When i changed to the full path, but only played for like 3seconds. |
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| 02:59.07 | JoeThomas | Any idea, would that be from cronjob or mplayer do you think? |
| 02:59.56 | simonrvn | test the script interactively |
| 03:00.14 | JoeThomas | simonrvn: like running the command thats being run through crontab? |
| 03:00.27 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:00.38 | JoeThomas | simonrvn: plays the whole thing. |
| 03:00.50 | simonrvn | since it's a sh script, you can run it like sh -x /my/script |
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| 03:04.57 | JoeThomas | simonrvn: your talking in crontab? |
| 03:06.11 | JoeThomas | simonrvn: same thing, only plays for about 3-4 seconds |
| 03:06.15 | karsten | JoeThomas: It beats speaking in toungues |
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| 03:06.40 | JoeThomas | karsten: over my head? |
| 03:07.46 | sco50000 | how do i enable 3d acceleration on my ati radeon card? |
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| 03:12.47 | theatro | sco50000, http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 03:13.20 | sco50000 | thanks |
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| 03:14.09 | pingui | hi |
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| 03:15.49 | pingui | aa i got a proble |
| 03:16.01 | sco50000 | ask away |
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| 03:16.26 | endra | Hello |
| 03:16.48 | endra | Anyone have a tutorial on how to jail someone to scp/sftp only inside his home directory? |
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| 03:18.20 | moshii | documentation is written for the fun of it aparrently. |
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| 03:19.56 | stiv2k | does anyone understand powertop? |
| 03:20.14 | moshii | endra: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html Is probably what you want |
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| 03:22.27 | endra | moshii: thanks. I found an alternative.. http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/howtos_sftp_scp_only.html Anyone against using this? |
| 03:22.35 | karsten | endra: There's a restricted option to the bash shell. You could also create a chroot login I suppose, don't know any standard recipie for that. There are some chroot tools in general in Debian. |
| 03:22.50 | karsten | endra: ... or what moshii said. |
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| 03:23.05 | Wyzard | yay 2.6.24 by default in sid :-) |
| 03:23.41 | moshii | or setup your permissions properly so that they can't break the system.. ;) |
| 03:23.43 | karsten | moshii: Nice reference, BTW. |
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| 03:27.10 | stiv2k | how come my laptop is getting 1400 wakeups per second? |
| 03:27.33 | moshii | stiv2k: applications waking it up |
| 03:27.52 | moshii | stiv2k: powertop tells you which applications/kernel parts are doing that |
| 03:28.05 | stiv2k | yes thats how i know of the wakeups |
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| 03:28.23 | stiv2k | but i have an AMD processor so it doesnt show detailed info |
| 03:28.28 | stiv2k | just number of wakeups and C states |
| 03:28.32 | moshii | mmm how does one enable close el lid go to el sleep with the acpi-support scripts? |
| 03:28.48 | moshii | stiv2k: powertop, (c) intel |
| 03:28.58 | S4nD3r | just a question... is vmware works on lenny ?? |
| 03:29.06 | stiv2k | moshii: it works doesnt it ? |
| 03:29.19 | moshii | stiv2k: there is even a vmware package creator.. woot |
| 03:29.30 | moshii | stiv2k: sorry that ws for S4nD3r |
| 03:29.44 | moshii | S4nD3r: if you have hardware support just use kvm though |
| 03:30.06 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: It works in sid, so it ought to work in lenny too |
| 03:30.25 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Use the "vmware-package" package to make .debs rather than running the tarball installer |
| 03:30.44 | moshii | stiv2k: I don't think you'll be able to get all the info out of powertop with an amd system.. like it'll tell you how many watts you're burning on an intel box |
| 03:31.00 | S4nD3r | ok then... ill try it |
| 03:31.02 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 03:31.25 | moshii | seriously, kvm is every bit as good as vmware |
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| 03:31.39 | moshii | oh, hit and run. |
| 03:31.41 | Wyzard | moshii: mobile Intel box, specifically... I'm running powertop on a desktop now and it doesn't give that info either |
| 03:32.04 | NeoLobster | Hey guys... I have a quick question or two about a debian install I'm having a problem with... First question: I have 6GB RAM (installing AMD64 version) - do I need swap? |
| 03:32.41 | NeoLobster | Second - does anyone know anything about the Marvell 88SE614x SATA controller and getting it to work with Debian? |
| 03:32.42 | Wyzard | moshii: though it does tell me that my processor is shifting on-demand between P-states (2.45GHz vs. 1.64GHz, e.g. 30% of the time at the higher speed), which is pretty cool -- I didn't know a desktop processor could do that |
| 03:33.01 | Wyzard | NeoLobster: You probably don't need swap, though it can be helpful to have some anyway |
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| 03:33.29 | NeoLobster | Wyzard: can you give me an example of why I'd want it? Also - how much should I give it, in your opinion? |
| 03:33.30 | moshii | whj: mean is currently showing what clocks its using the most and what processes are causing wakeups |
| 03:33.38 | moshii | whj: for Wyzard |
| 03:33.50 | Wyzard | NeoLobster: Even if everything you're running can fit in RAM, not all of that data is actively being used all the time |
| 03:34.06 | NeoLobster | okay, I'll buy that |
| 03:34.07 | Wyzard | NeoLobster: By swapping out the pages that aren't being used much, the kernel has more RAM available for I/O buffers, which can improve performance |
| 03:34.18 | moshii | NeoLobster: swap can be useful if something crashes though |
| 03:34.29 | NeoLobster | How much should I allocate swap? |
| 03:34.30 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 03:34.51 | Wyzard | NeoLobster: How much disk space do you have? |
| 03:35.23 | NeoLobster | Wyzard: 2TB - I can afford whatever is the best solution. |
| 03:35.25 | peterrooney | NeoLobster: the old rule of thumb ( before Gigs of RAM were commonplace) was two to one. |
| 03:35.38 | Wyzard | NeoLobster: I had 2GB RAM when I built this system and I gave it 3GB swap (in the form of a 3x1GB RAID-0, mostly because that arrangement fit well with the rest of my partitioning scheme) |
| 03:36.09 | NeoLobster | I remember the 2 to 1 thing from my gentoo days |
| 03:36.20 | stiv2k | moshii: i know, but like i said, at the very least it's still telling me the wakeups per second (1200-1400) and C-state information |
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| 03:36.32 | stiv2k | moshii: so im still curious as to how im getting a staggering 1200 wakeups per second? |
| 03:36.43 | AloSmart | Hi all |
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| 03:37.01 | moshii | stiv2k: I don't think it'll tell you what's causing the wakeups on an amd, maybe older intel either |
| 03:37.02 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Doesn't it show you "top causes of wakeups" in the bottom half of the window? |
| 03:37.12 | AloSmart | i am new in here, i need some help ... just to start |
| 03:37.21 | AloSmart | anyone ? |
| 03:37.22 | stiv2k | Wyzard: no thats only for intel cpus |
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| 03:37.27 | moshii | AloSmart: just ask your question |
| 03:37.28 | stiv2k | moshii: theres no other way to find out? |
| 03:37.35 | stiv2k | like certain programs |
| 03:37.36 | Wyzard | stiv2k: interesting, I figured that info just came from the scheduler and wasn't hardware-dependent |
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| 03:37.50 | stiv2k | Wyzard: heh |
| 03:38.25 | moshii | Wyzard: It probably could work on amd systems.. like intel's compiler ;) |
| 03:38.28 | AloSmart | i am trying to run Asterisk on debian |
| 03:39.12 | AloSmart | how do i give the asterisk process a higher priority ? |
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| 03:39.43 | moshii | AloSmart: man nice |
| 03:40.22 | AloSmart | Moshii: Thanks ... i like this IRC thing ... wich i used it before |
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| 03:41.24 | yuan | first time compile the kernel(2.6.24) How can I make the initrd.img? thanks |
| 03:41.32 | moshii | AloSmart: there is renice for jobs that are already running too |
| 03:42.12 | Wyzard | yuan: Run mkinitramfs |
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| 03:42.23 | moshii | yuan: If you're building a kernel, do you need an initramfs? |
| 03:42.40 | Wyzard | yuan: Or, even better, use the kernel-package tool to compile the kernel, and use the "--initrd" option |
| 03:43.02 | Wyzard | yuan: which will give you a .deb of the kernel, that runs mkinitramfs automatically when you install it, just like Debian's own kernel packages do |
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| 03:43.05 | AloSmart | ok, i will leave now, but i will come back to this room later ... thanks again |
| 03:43.06 | AloSmart | bye |
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| 03:43.35 | moshii | you don't need an early userland if you build all the stuff into your kernel.. initramfs == pointless with a custom kernel |
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| 03:44.24 | yuan | Wyzard: thank you! |
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| 03:44.34 | Wyzard | moshii: unless your root filesystem happens to be on something other than a plain partition |
| 03:45.13 | moshii | Wyzard: you mean an lvm or md array? |
| 03:45.15 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone help me mount an smbfs drive , i mounted it but i can only write to it as root, here is my fstabe line : //10.0.0.2/storeage /media/storeage smbfs,username=yggdrasil,rw,uid=vdr,gid=vdr,user 0 0 |
| 03:45.20 | Wyzard | moshii: yes, or dm-crypt |
| 03:45.29 | Yggdrasil | the server username is yggdrasil and the clinet user is vdr |
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| 03:45.31 | Wyzard | moshii: or all three together, in my case :-) |
| 03:46.03 | Yggdrasil | hey moshii how are you ? |
| 03:46.07 | moshii | Wyzard: for md at least I don't think you need any userland tools to get booted, lvm is probably similar |
| 03:46.21 | Yggdrasil | didnt we talk once about mounting flash drives ? |
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| 03:46.49 | Wyzard | moshii: md *might* be able to be configured automatically by the kernel, though I don't think so |
| 03:46.54 | Wyzard | moshii: LVM definitely cannot |
| 03:47.30 | moshii | Wyzard: I have a feeling the raid superblock shizzle is enough for the kernel to bring an md array up |
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| 03:48.08 | moshii | I still don't why anyone build kernels when the debian images are perfectly workable |
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| 03:48.39 | Wyzard | moshii: yes, but it's not necessarily appropriate for the kernel to start all arrays it can find (and I believe the mdadm package has a debconf question about that) |
| 03:48.44 | Yggdrasil | moshii sometimes drivers are not as up to date |
| 03:48.48 | wols_ | cause I'm stubborn |
| 03:49.33 | moshii | Yggdrasil: yup, but there are 2.6.24 packages |
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| 03:49.52 | Wyzard | moshii: I stopped building custom kernels about a year ago because it's generally not worth the trouble, but I've thought about building one again just to enable preempt, which is nice for desktops but disabled in Debian's kernels |
| 03:49.57 | Yggdrasil | sometimes drivers need patching |
| 03:50.06 | Yggdrasil | not to mention bloat ? |
| 03:50.14 | Yggdrasil | space is still a concern with some people |
| 03:50.23 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: If you need to minimize disk space, sure |
| 03:50.29 | moshii | Yggdrasil: bloat isn't really a problem unless you have a tiny disk |
| 03:50.32 | Yggdrasil | well thast one reason i can think of |
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| 03:50.37 | Yggdrasil | i havea tiny disk damit |
| 03:50.44 | Yggdrasil | now quit teasing me |
| 03:50.50 | moshii | flushing locales will probably have more effect than rebuilding the kernel |
| 03:51.14 | Yggdrasil | plus it makes you fell good |
| 03:51.19 | Wyzard | The modules for Debian's 2.6.24 on amd64 are 84MB total |
| 03:51.21 | Yggdrasil | uh feel good even |
| 03:51.32 | Yggdrasil | fine i give up theres no reason |
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| 03:52.16 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me fix my smb mounting issue ? |
| 03:52.28 | moshii | the kernel sources unpacked will be bigger though ;) |
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| 03:53.30 | Yggdrasil | you delete those |
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| 03:53.54 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: Use the uid= and gid= mount options to specify the user/group who the files appear to belong to, in the mounted filesystem |
| 03:54.10 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 03:54.14 | Yggdrasil | thats what ive got there.. |
| 03:54.18 | Yggdrasil | its not working |
| 03:54.24 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: like you'd do on a FAT filesystem that has no ownership info |
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| 03:54.49 | Yggdrasil | : //10.0.0.2/storeage /media/storeage smbfs,username=yggdrasil,rw,uid=vdr,gid=vdr,user 0 0 |
| 03:54.50 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: btw, there's a set of optional "Unix extensions" for CIFS that I believe provide actual user/group support |
| 03:55.05 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: hmm, dunno then |
| 03:55.09 | Yggdrasil | its wierd huh |
| 03:55.11 | Yggdrasil | wtf |
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| 03:56.23 | yuan | Wyzard: can not find the mkinitramfs, only bootcd-mkinitramfs. |
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| 03:56.38 | danderson | Hi. I'm experiencing problems with python 2.5 and setuptools in lenny. Running easy_install-2.5 results in: error: /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages (in --site-dirs) is not on sys.path |
| 03:56.45 | danderson | Any idea on how I could fix this? |
| 03:56.45 | Wyzard | yuan: The package is initramfs-tools |
| 03:56.55 | danderson | and yes, I have tried googling for information, without much success |
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| 03:59.03 | yuan | Wyzard: I get that package newest. Still I can not get the "mkinitramfs" command |
| 03:59.23 | Wyzard | yuan: It's in /usr/sbin |
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| 03:59.36 | Wyzard | yuan: which should be on root's path, though not a normal user's, but you need to run it as root anyway |
| 04:00.34 | yuan | Wyzard: thank you so much! : ) |
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| 04:00.54 | Wyzard | yuan: Anyway, it's better to build your kernel with kernel-package |
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| 04:01.15 | Wyzard | yuan: That give you a .deb |
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| 04:02.33 | yuan | Wyzard: I follow the method on the web. I get the deb, however without "--initrd". So I have this problem... |
| 04:02.42 | Wyzard | yuan: Build again with --initrd |
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| 04:03.41 | yuan | Wyzard: OK, I have a try, now |
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| 04:07.31 | NeoLobster | I get a wonderfully descriptive error message when I reboot after this debian install |
| 04:07.35 | NeoLobster | "Error loading operating system" |
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| 04:08.15 | Wyzard | That sounds like a BIOS message |
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| 04:11.23 | NeoLobster | ah ha |
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| 04:13.01 | daemoen | hey all, just now getting around to trying deb etch.... it offers encrypted lvm... so the entire filesystem is now encrypted, or just root or? |
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| 04:13.49 | Wyzard | daemoen: Presumably, the whole disk is a big encrypted partition, which can contain multiple LVM volumes |
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| 04:14.16 | Wyzard | daemoen: (though there's still a small unencrypted partition for /boot, since you can't very well have the kernel encrypted) |
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| 04:14.34 | Wyzard | daemoen: You'll be prompted for a passphrase at boot time |
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| 04:17.13 | grendal_prime | anyone else got Konquror crashing all over the place because of flash videow? |
| 04:17.19 | grendal_prime | videos that is |
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| 04:18.47 | grendal_prime | anyone else got Konquror crashing all over the place because of flash videow? |
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| 04:25.11 | moshii | grendal_prime: what are you using to play flash video? |
| 04:25.26 | Yggdrasil | wyzard |
| 04:27.15 | Wyzard | yes? |
| 04:29.26 | Yggdrasil | uh |
| 04:29.27 | Yggdrasil | hi |
| 04:29.39 | Yggdrasil | is therea uid and gid that applys to everyone |
| 04:30.10 | Yggdrasil | because fstab loads up before the user logs in, so if i have a fstab that locks the mount down to user vdr and user beth logs in will she be able to write ? |
| 04:30.45 | Wyzard | A file can only have one owner -- you can't have something "owned by everyone" |
| 04:31.02 | Wyzard | but you can have it readable/writable by everyone |
| 04:31.06 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 04:31.08 | Yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 04:31.12 | Yggdrasil | and how does that wor k? |
| 04:31.27 | Wyzard | With FAT, you can specify umask= as a mount option |
| 04:31.40 | Wyzard | or, I think, fmask= and dmask= for files and directories respectively |
| 04:31.50 | Wyzard | I would guess CIFS supports the same options for the same purpose |
| 04:32.03 | Yggdrasil | this is smbfs |
| 04:32.45 | Wyzard | According to http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs the options are file_mode= and dir_mode= |
| 04:33.00 | Wyzard | Consider using CIFS rather than SMB |
| 04:33.03 | Yggdrasil | i see |
| 04:33.12 | Yggdrasil | i just want somethign simpleee |
| 04:33.16 | Yggdrasil | thanks . |
| 04:33.30 | Wyzard | As I understand it, SMB is deprecated, and CIFS is basically the newer version |
| 04:33.33 | Yggdrasil | she will jsut have to run here own mount script somehow |
| 04:34.09 | Wyzard | Well, if you want the mounted filesystem to be usable by everyone, you could use file_mode=666 and dir_mode=777 |
| 04:34.43 | Yggdrasil | oh |
| 04:34.47 | Yggdrasil | ill try it |
| 04:34.59 | Wyzard | and you don't need to bother specifying uid= and gid= |
| 04:35.20 | Wyzard | since it doesn't matter who appears to own the files (the default of root is fine) since the permissions allow access by everyone |
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| 04:35.34 | grendal_prime | moshi i used the installer script |
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| 04:35.42 | Wyzard | hmm, that was interesting |
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| 04:36.01 | Wyzard | The bot quit, and then Yggdrasil got kicked for flooding when he didn't flood |
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| 04:37.38 | Yggdrasil | uh |
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| 04:37.48 | Yggdrasil | ok //10.0.0.2/storeage /media/storeage smbfs password=,rw,file_mode=666,dir_mode=777,user 0 0 |
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| 04:38.23 | daemoen | Wyzard, cool. ive used encrypted fs with LFS so its cool to see a distro thats actually implemented it |
| 04:38.40 | Wyzard | daemoen: I'm using encrypted LVM on software RAID right now |
| 04:38.54 | Yggdrasil | wyzard when i use that ^^ i get permission denied unless i sudo mkdir. |
| 04:38.56 | Wyzard | daemoen: though there's a bug in the etch installer that prevents creating such a setup in a new installation |
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| 04:39.34 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: What do the permissions on the files appear to be? |
| 04:39.36 | newbee | 700 is the limit? |
| 04:39.37 | Yggdrasil | root |
| 04:39.44 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: permissions, not ownership |
| 04:39.49 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 04:39.51 | newbee | 755 |
| 04:39.55 | dongs | any estimates how long compiling 2.6.22 will take on 266mhz SH-4 |
| 04:40.01 | Yggdrasil | drwxr-xr-x |
| 04:40.06 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: Are you still using smbfs, or cifs now? |
| 04:40.10 | Yggdrasil | smbfs |
| 04:40.17 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: Maybe smbfs doesn't support those options |
| 04:40.19 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: Use cifs |
| 04:40.22 | Yggdrasil | i see |
| 04:40.28 | Yggdrasil | i dont even know where to begin |
| 04:40.30 | Yggdrasil | bbl |
| 04:40.40 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: all you need to do is replace "smbfs" with "cifs" |
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| 04:40.42 | dongs | begin by installing genuine windows xp professional w/sp2 |
| 04:40.50 | Aces1up | what is the default directory for perl executables? |
| 04:40.52 | Yggdrasil | wyzard, what about the smb server ? |
| 04:40.54 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: smbfs is like the win95 version of the protocol |
| 04:40.59 | Aces1up | its not in usr/bin/perl |
| 04:41.04 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: samba is a smbfs/cifs server |
| 04:41.05 | Aces1up | on my system. |
| 04:41.08 | newbee | i was right, rwxr-wr-w == 755 |
| 04:41.17 | StyXman | Aces1up: it should be |
| 04:41.31 | Wyzard | dongs: Why do you feel you need to custom-compile it? |
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| 04:41.44 | StyXman | newbee: no, 755 is rwx-r-xr-x |
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| 04:41.57 | dongs | Wyzard: because there isnt one for sh4 in my configuration |
| 04:41.58 | Aces1up | says invalid directory |
| 04:42.01 | dongs | and if there is, it doesnt boot. |
| 04:42.11 | StyXman | Aces1up: /usr/bin/perl |
| 04:42.17 | StyXman | add the leading / |
| 04:42.17 | daemoen | Wyzard, i am doing a new install right now with the dvd..... so because i selected the encrypted option its going to crash? |
| 04:42.25 | Aces1up | ok its in there. |
| 04:42.32 | Wyzard | daemoen: No, the encrypted LVM option should work fine |
| 04:42.38 | Seb | dpkg not in here ? |
| 04:42.44 | Wyzard | daemoen: It's encrypted LVM *on software RAID* that doesn't work right |
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| 04:42.51 | daemoen | ajj |
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| 04:43.09 | newbee | StyXman: oh i misplaced the w with x... i meant rwxr-xr-x |
| 04:43.10 | daemoen | s/jj/hh |
| 04:43.24 | Wyzard | daemoen: (It's just an installer bug; if you could get the installer to create it properly, it'd work fine afterward) |
| 04:43.38 | Yggdrasil | wyzard ,//10.0.0.2/storeage /media/storeage cifs password=,rw,file_mode=666,dir_mode=777,user 0 0 ? |
| 04:43.52 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: Give it a try |
| 04:44.32 | Yggdrasil | WARNING: 'dir_mode' not expressed in octal. |
| 04:44.41 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: Try 0666, 0777 |
| 04:44.45 | Yggdrasil | doh |
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| 04:46.21 | Yggdrasil | wyzard, that worked, however its only good for user yggdrasil, when i switch to beth it permission denies me.. and show yggdrasil as owner and group |
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| 04:46.46 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: What do the permissions appear as now? |
| 04:47.17 | grendal_prime | version 9.0.115.0.1~etch1 |
| 04:47.25 | Yggdrasil | drwxr-xr-x 31 yggdrasil yggdrasil |
| 04:47.53 | Yggdrasil | im happy for now because at least i can write to it.. but its annoying none the less. |
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| 04:47.59 | Wyzard | Evidently file_mode and dir_mode didn't work |
| 04:48.03 | Yggdrasil | yea hahah |
| 04:48.07 | Yggdrasil | it didnt gripe though |
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| 04:51.19 | Yggdrasil | its simply amazing to me this seems like somethign that should be so simple |
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| 04:52.57 | diabolix | is it possible to configure apt to install recomended packages without asking? |
| 04:53.20 | Yggdrasil | wyzard, i think that it is using unix permissions and yggdrasil is the owner of the drive on the server |
| 04:53.33 | Wyzard | hmm, that's a possibility |
| 04:53.52 | Wyzard | I don't know whether the unix extensions are enabled by default |
| 04:53.57 | Yggdrasil | because, when i unmount it and ls -l it shows root owns it. and when i mount it it shows yggdrasil owns it |
| 04:54.22 | Wyzard | You're talking about "ls -l" on the mountpoint directory itself? |
| 04:54.24 | Yggdrasil | i can test it by making a dir on the drive from the server i guesse |
| 04:54.25 | Yggdrasil | uh |
| 04:54.28 | Yggdrasil | the mountpoint |
| 04:54.32 | Wyzard | That's normal |
| 04:54.42 | Yggdrasil | uh /media/storeage |
| 04:54.49 | Yggdrasil | well let me test |
| 04:55.02 | StyXman | diabolix: newer versions do it automatically |
| 04:55.15 | Wyzard | When you mount something on /media/storage, you can no longer see the actual directory on your local disk (which is owned by root) |
| 04:55.32 | Wyzard | instead, you see the root directory of the mounted filesystem in its place (which is apparently owned by yggdrasil) |
| 04:55.46 | StyXman | yeah, what ypu see is the root dir of the mounted fs |
| 04:55.47 | Wyzard | That's true of any filesystem mount, and doesn't tell you anything about whether the cifs driver is using the unix extensions |
| 04:56.03 | Yggdrasil | well i dont know then |
| 04:56.13 | Yggdrasil | i jsut wnat a network drive that doesnt care whos writing or mounting it |
| 04:56.19 | Yggdrasil | it must be impossible |
| 04:56.36 | Yggdrasil | at least i can write to it |
| 04:56.40 | StyXman | Yggdrasil: mount options should work |
| 04:56.40 | Yggdrasil | she will jsut have to log in as me |
| 04:57.08 | Yggdrasil | styxman heres what im using : //10.0.0.2/storeage /media/storeage cifs password=,rw,file_mode=0666,dir_mode=0777,user 0 0 |
| 04:57.50 | Yggdrasil | works fien for yggdrasil |
| 04:57.57 | Yggdrasil | but beth gets permission denied |
| 04:58.11 | Yggdrasil | maybe its on the server |
| 04:58.14 | Yggdrasil | let me tweak something |
| 04:58.33 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: According to the manpage, file_mode and dir_mode only take effect if the server doesn't support the unix extensions |
| 04:58.40 | diabolix | StyXman, mine doesn't seem to... is there some way i can check? |
| 04:58.47 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: I thought samba disabled the unix extensions by default, but maybe that's changed in recent versions |
| 04:59.19 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: Use chown/chmod to change the owner and permissions of a file on the server, then see if the change is visible in your cifs mount |
| 04:59.28 | Yggdrasil | hah |
| 04:59.36 | Yggdrasil | it said permission denied !!! |
| 04:59.41 | Wyzard | What did? |
| 05:00.07 | Yggdrasil | hold on a second |
| 05:00.13 | StyXman | diabolix: man apt and friends (see "see also") |
| 05:00.36 | CLIdiot | anybody using apache2 mod_cache along with eAccelerator? |
| 05:01.56 | Yggdrasil | wyzard, when im on the server and i su root , mkdir test 2 |
| 05:02.02 | Yggdrasil | it shows up as yggdrasil yggdrasil |
| 05:02.13 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:02.16 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 05:02.24 | Yggdrasil | i was messing with it |
| 05:02.30 | StyXman | Yggdrasil: why export via cifs what you can export via nfs? |
| 05:02.32 | Wyzard | I don't actually use CIFS these days; I'm just reading http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs :-) |
| 05:02.54 | Yggdrasil | and i um sudo chown -R yggdrasil ./* sudo chgrpt -R yggdrasil ./* , did this before i started emessing with |
| 05:02.58 | diabolix | i should probably admit that i'm in ubuntu, but i figured the people who know apt-foo would be in here. when i install build-essential, it suggests manpages-dev, but won't install it. i find this annoying because generally when i install stuff I want the headers and manpages. |
| 05:02.58 | Yggdrasil | yea i hear it |
| 05:03.22 | Yggdrasil | well it must be something with that. |
| 05:03.37 | Yggdrasil | how do i chown chgrp to a more standard user/group ? |
| 05:03.38 | Wyzard | diabolix: Why won't it install manpages-dev? |
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| 05:04.17 | diabolix | i can install it seperately, but it seems like i should be able to make it install it along with build-essential. |
| 05:04.30 | StyXman | diabolix: manpagex-dev is a one-time suggestion |
| 05:04.45 | Wyzard | diabolix: A suggests isn't really a dependency |
| 05:04.45 | StyXman | for other libaries you might not be so lucky |
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| 05:05.24 | diabolix | Wyzard, i know, but as a developer, libraries are generally useless without headers and documentation. |
| 05:05.28 | Wyzard | diabolix: It's to tell you that you might want to consider installing manpages-dev if you use build-essential, but it's not mandatory, and apt won't actually install it unless you tell it to |
| 05:05.37 | StyXman | diabolix: weel, no, you don't need to know how system functions work for issuing a 'make' command... |
| 05:05.38 | Wyzard | diabolix: right, which is why you should install manpages-dev |
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| 05:05.52 | Wyzard | diabolix: but apt won't automatically install manpages-dev as a result of installing build-essential |
| 05:05.56 | StyXman | you want them, you install them. don't spect debian to read you mind. |
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| 05:06.57 | Yggdrasil | hey wyzard thansk for all the help |
| 05:07.00 | diabolix | i can understand that, its kind of annoying tho. i'm coming from arch, slakware, gentoo, and *bsd. they don't split things up like this. |
| 05:07.46 | StyXman | similar request could be: "I'm a user, why would I want gcc? if I tell the system to install something, it should warn me that I won't use them anyways, and that's a waste of time/space" |
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| 05:08.06 | StyXman | diabolix:debian and redhat based do |
| 05:08.42 | Wyzard | diabolix: I consider it a feature -- I like the fact that I can install just the software I actually want, without also having to install whatever other useless (to me) things might happen to be part of the same source tree |
| 05:08.50 | StyXman | it's just a policy, yuou may like it or not |
| 05:09.30 | Wyzard | diabolix: Along the same lines, libraries and their headers are in separate packages, so if a program depends on a library, it just pulls in the library, and not the headers (which the program doesn't need) |
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| 05:10.01 | diabolix | i can understand the behavior, but i wish there was a way to install everything a library ships with. |
| 05:10.02 | pavillion | i cant install java, I followed instructions from website, but it didnt work |
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| 05:10.26 | liable | !install java |
| 05:10.26 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
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| 05:14.41 | Aces1up | how do inpack a tarball into the current directory WITHOUT making a directory with the tarball filename? |
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| 05:15.29 | pavillion | thanks liable |
| 05:15.39 | liable | np |
| 05:15.48 | pavillion | I have a strange thing here, I downloaded file to desktop, but I can't find it there |
| 05:15.54 | diabolix | AceLan, thats not a property of tar, whoever tared the file up tared up that direcory as well. |
| 05:16.08 | AceLan | diabolix: ccc |
| 05:16.08 | diabolix | Aces1up, ^ |
| 05:16.24 | shamrock | Morning. I'm reinstalling debian on my laptop. I have a question which might shock some of you though. After reading and rereading stuff in google I *still* don't quite understand the use of the domain name for that individual machine (my other machines all have mad eup ones) and the importance of it being really unique. Is debian.net or xxyyzz.net or something equally valid? I do not have my own registered omain nam |
| 05:16.24 | shamrock | e so really am at a loss as to what it should be and how it might affect later use of the machine as a file or print or mail server or somesuch. Any advice appreciated. |
| 05:16.33 | StyXman | Aces1up: the paths tar creates when unpacking are in the tarball, so if it has a dir, it'll make it. |
| 05:18.02 | pavillion | shamrock, make it shamrock |
| 05:18.09 | StyXman | shamrock: a machine name and dns name are different but most of the times related |
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| 05:18.26 | yuan | I update kernel to 2.6.24, and flash my bios. Still I have the problem "hdc: lost interrupt", what should I do? |
| 05:18.33 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 05:18.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 05:19.31 | Aces1up | ok hrmm so i have a directory /test i want all the files and sub directories in /test to be copied to just / |
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| 05:19.34 | StyXman | shamrock: you can name your machine piquillin, but can put a name in dns different from it that point to one of its nics. |
| 05:19.38 | Aces1up | what would the command be to do this? |
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| 05:20.18 | liable | cp ./* ../ |
| 05:20.31 | yuan | The dmesg is ide-cd: cmd 0x3 timed out |
| 05:20.32 | yuan | hdc: lost interrupt |
| 05:20.41 | Aces1up | ./* denotes current directory? |
| 05:20.43 | StyXman | when you ssetup the machine name, it ensd in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts. the latter will 'fake' dns names for that machine |
| 05:20.53 | Aces1up | and ../ directory one level up? |
| 05:21.02 | liable | yep |
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| 05:21.51 | shamrock | StyXman: but is it "shamrock.net"? "shamrock"? What? Amazing after all these years I never quite got the importance of what appears to be important at first glance. |
| 05:22.30 | Aces1up | liable that worked but it only copied the files i need supdirectories copied as well. |
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| 05:22.42 | Aces1up | subdirectories and their files as well. |
| 05:22.44 | liable | Aces1up: cp -r |
| 05:22.48 | Aces1up | thanks. |
| 05:22.51 | jdrake | Using virtualbox (x86 vm), I am trying to install etch with the encrypted lvm, but when it comes to erasing the disk it seems to be stuck at 22% even though for the last hour it has been accessing the harddrive. Any ideas why? |
| 05:23.15 | StyXman | shamrock: it you put 'shamrock.net', everytime you, say, put it in a browser, it will try to contact a web server in your machine. that's because it ends in /et/hosts as I said. but if I try to access it, it will search the dns and might end nowhere |
| 05:23.45 | StyXman | it's a local name in your machine |
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| 05:23.58 | StyXman | s/name name<->ip assigment/ |
| 05:24.06 | shamrock | StyXman: but will it get appended to thinks like outgoing emails and usenet posts by things like leafnode? |
| 05:24.26 | StyXman | shamrock: on not specially configured setups, yes |
| 05:24.59 | Wyzard | shamrock: Think of it as a relic from the time when Unix was only used for servers :-) |
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| 05:25.10 | StyXman | you can configure, say, kmail for sending mails with a user name independient of your machine's user/hostname |
| 05:25.27 | shamrock | Wyzard: thanks. |
| 05:25.53 | StyXman | also, it's nice to put a name on your machines |
| 05:26.02 | Wyzard | shamrock: Various standards and backward-compatibility require that every system have a "fully-qualified domain name" |
| 05:26.23 | shamrock | next Q: why does the Debian install take so long "erasing data" on a newly cut partition in the guided install for an encrypted volume (prioer to password gathering btw). bug? (Debian lenny netinst downloaded yesterday) |
| 05:26.33 | StyXman | Wyzard: ... wich might not have anything to do with the hostname... |
| 05:26.52 | Wyzard | shamrock: even though it doesn't really make much sense anymore (even real Internet servers don't necessarily have exactly one domain -- a single IP address can have multiple unrelated DNS records pointed at it) |
| 05:27.12 | StyXman | ok, see you tomorrow |
| 05:27.32 | shamrock | StyXman: Wyzard: thanks for the info. It kind of sounds like it should be more "hidden" as it is, I think it confuses a lot of people after googling it up. |
| 05:28.18 | dongs | shamrock: hiding cp or something? |
| 05:29.28 | Wyzard | shamrock: It should be gone completely as far as I'm concerned, but that'd require making some significant changes to the basics of how networking is done in Linux |
| 05:30.09 | Wyzard | shamrock: One common convention is to use "localdomain" for machines that aren't in a "real" domain |
| 05:30.25 | Wyzard | shamrock: (In fact, Ubuntu skips the domain question, and I think it just assumes "localdomain") |
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| 05:32.36 | dongs | kernel compile is on "mm" portion |
| 05:32.40 | dongs | i wonder how far to go |
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| 05:35.46 | cell | HOW DO I AUTO GENERATE THE MENU IN FLUXBOX? |
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| 05:36.03 | arussel | I am trying to use virtual box on debian with XP guest. I can't use usb inside the guest(usb devices are gray out) . Could anyone manage to do it ? |
| 05:36.04 | Wyzard | cell: Turn of your capslock |
| 05:36.06 | shamrock | Wyzard: informative. Thanks. |
| 05:36.17 | cell | sorry |
| 05:36.19 | cell | my bad |
| 05:36.21 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.23 | Nyle | whoops space |
| 05:36.37 | Nyle | I haven't eaten in almost 2 days now |
| 05:36.44 | Nyle | I feel weak and dizzy |
| 05:36.50 | Nyle | I just can't get hungry |
| 05:36.55 | Nyle | FUCK! |
| 05:36.59 | Nyle | apt-get install hunger |
| 05:37.07 | cell | lol |
| 05:37.16 | Nyle | I just ordered a gyro sandwich |
| 05:37.27 | Nyle | I'll probably eat it through night |
| 05:37.29 | cell | apt-get install weed |
| 05:37.37 | Nyle | take a few bites, and then rest |
| 05:37.44 | Nyle | cell: obviously, you don't know me |
| 05:37.50 | shamrock | WTF? What is this noise sudenly polluting the channel? |
| 05:37.57 | stoned | shamrock: it is I |
| 05:38.05 | stoned | who is offtopic |
| 05:38.11 | stoned | competely unrelated to debian |
| 05:38.16 | Wyzard | arussel: According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox, USB support is only in the non-free version of VirtualBox |
| 05:38.18 | shamrock | good on you. Ciao folks and thanks again for the help. |
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| 05:38.25 | amphi | heh |
| 05:38.26 | cell | anyways,i dont remember the command to auto generate the menu in fluxbox |
| 05:38.27 | stoned | amphi: hi |
| 05:38.33 | cell | generate_menu |
| 05:38.36 | cell | or something like that? |
| 05:38.42 | stoned | update-menus |
| 05:38.44 | stoned | oh |
| 05:38.48 | stoned | oh oh |
| 05:38.52 | stoned | la de da |
| 05:38.56 | amphi | still alive, it seems, albeit your hand spasming on the enter key ;) |
| 05:39.01 | Nyle | a;lkdjf;lajdf;kajf |
| 05:39.08 | cell | thanxs Stoned |
| 05:39.10 | Nyle | sorry, I'm not feeling well and Im acting like an idiot |
| 05:39.14 | Nyle | I apologize |
| 05:39.15 | amphi | รฅhรฅ? |
| 05:39.30 | Nyle | cell: welcome |
| 05:39.32 | cell | you deserve a pound of hydro nuggets |
| 05:39.38 | cell | buh bye |
| 05:39.42 | Nyle | g'nite |
| 05:40.09 | Nyle | I'm gonna smoke some budd, and I am going to keep my fingers crossed |
| 05:40.20 | Nyle | maybe I'll get hungry this time and actually eat some solid food |
| 05:41.45 | Nyle | http://www.regular-expressions.info/characters.html |
| 05:42.06 | arussel | Wyzard: thanks for the link. There is no mention of this difference in the manual |
| 05:42.10 | Nyle | oops |
| 05:42.14 | Nyle | damn paste button |
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| 05:52.56 | Nyle | mmm I took 3 bytes of the gyro sandwich and I'm full! |
| 05:52.57 | Nyle | wow |
| 05:53.07 | Nyle | I think I'm good for another 2 days damn |
| 05:53.26 | Nyle | er.. |
| 05:53.28 | Nyle | bites |
| 05:53.30 | Nyle | not bytes* |
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| 05:54.19 | streuner_ | damn, you make me hungry! |
| 05:54.35 | Nyle | seriously man |
| 05:54.43 | Nyle | I am sick of living like this |
| 05:54.47 | Nyle | why me? |
| 05:54.49 | Nyle | huh |
| 05:54.53 | Nyle | how come I can't enjoy good health |
| 05:54.55 | Nyle | :( |
| 05:55.33 | Nyle | well i'll eat this slowly |
| 05:55.43 | Nyle | by morning time the sandwich should be half finished |
| 05:55.45 | Nyle | hopefuly |
| 05:56.28 | moshii | is there a reason you an't eat it normally? like a really tiny mouth? |
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| 05:58.05 | Nyle | I don't like food |
| 05:58.11 | Nyle | I don't like to eat much I guess |
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| 05:58.17 | Nyle | but its not because of that |
| 05:58.21 | yigal | Nyle: what about alcohol? |
| 05:58.22 | maelstrom | debian gnu/linux livecd exists ??? |
| 05:58.23 | Nyle | I just don't/cant get hungry |
| 05:58.27 | Nyle | !livecd |
| 05:58.27 | dpkg | somebody said livecd was an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 05:58.39 | moshii | Nyle: start the guiness diet |
| 05:58.51 | Nyle | I hate alcohol |
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| 05:58.55 | maelstrom | =( |
| 05:58.55 | Nyle | or beer |
| 05:59.07 | yigal | Nyle: a little gas at first but not bad |
| 05:59.11 | streuner_ | guiness isnt beer |
| 05:59.16 | moshii | s/guiness/guinness/ |
| 05:59.16 | Nyle | whatever |
| 05:59.20 | yigal | its a way of life |
| 05:59.27 | streuner_ | rather a catastrophe ;-) |
| 05:59.31 | Nyle | I'm just gonna start to eat softer foods |
| 05:59.40 | amphi | streuner_: heheh |
| 05:59.48 | Nyle | like brown rice and yogurt and milk and eggs and wheatbread |
| 05:59.52 | Nyle | fruits and veges |
| 06:00.08 | Nyle | I'm gonna have to make myself do this otherwise I'm gonna die man |
| 06:00.10 | yigal | Nyle: I'm a vegan you should be a vegan beeravore |
| 06:00.13 | amphi | ugh, brown rice - just eat cardboard in milk |
| 06:00.18 | Nyle | I love meat too much |
| 06:00.33 | yigal | ok |
| 06:00.38 | Nyle | I also didn't climb to the top of the food chain as a human to eat fucking carrots |
| 06:00.39 | moshii | Nyle: get a massive steak then |
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| 06:00.56 | yigal | agriculture is outside of the web of life |
| 06:01.00 | Nyle | moshii: I just think that since I have not eaten in 2 days my stomach has shrunk and is very tender |
| 06:01.09 | Nyle | I think I have a good idea, eat small bites and slowly |
| 06:01.14 | Nyle | take my time no rush |
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| 06:01.18 | yigal | Nyle: go to |
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| 06:01.29 | yigal | you will succeed, good luck |
| 06:01.32 | Nyle | thanks |
| 06:01.34 | Nyle | !nyeet |
| 06:01.34 | dpkg | Nyle, did you eat lately? did you drink some water? did you take your vitamins? |
| 06:01.47 | Nyle | see |
| 06:01.56 | Nyle | this guy here cares enough to remind me everyday |
| 06:02.10 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:02.15 | streuner_ | Do you like to speak with yourself much? |
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| 06:02.21 | Nyle | very much |
| 06:02.23 | amphi | !comfort Nyle |
| 06:02.23 | dpkg | There, there, Nyle. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:02.29 | yigal | that is so good to see |
| 06:02.32 | Nyle | streuner_: you've known me for years |
| 06:02.37 | Nyle | when have you ever seen me not speak much |
| 06:02.38 | dongs | "fs" |
| 06:02.51 | dongs | kernel compile: 1hr so far |
| 06:03.00 | Nyle | maybe another hour or two or three |
| 06:03.02 | amphi | dongs: on what? |
| 06:03.06 | dongs | SH4 266mhz |
| 06:03.08 | Nyle | dongs: what hw you workin with? |
| 06:03.10 | yigal | dongs: what kind of machine takes a kernel in an hour |
| 06:03.15 | yigal | that would be great |
| 06:03.22 | moshii | dongs: cross compile on a decent machine |
| 06:03.26 | dongs | why. |
| 06:03.35 | Nyle | are you worried about the time |
| 06:03.42 | dongs | i screened |
| 06:03.48 | moshii | dongs: if that build doesn't work.. you're testing cycle is going to be massive |
| 06:03.51 | yigal | screened who? |
| 06:03.55 | moshii | s/you're/your |
| 06:03.56 | dongs | the build process. |
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| 06:04.01 | amphi | I recall long compiles on a 266mhz amd laptop ;) |
| 06:04.08 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:04.17 | Nyle | it doesn't take that much time on a 3.5ghz core 2 |
| 06:04.17 | yigal | oh, my 266 like 10 hours+ |
| 06:04.18 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:04.25 | moshii | perl on a 40mhz supersparc is fun |
| 06:04.29 | dongs | when its compiling fs/ext3 |
| 06:04.31 | dongs | how far along is that |
| 06:04.36 | dongs | is that liek first 10% |
| 06:04.40 | amphi | what a bastard if you forget something vital ;) |
| 06:04.49 | moshii | dongs: depends what you've configured |
| 06:04.57 | dongs | just the stuff i need |
| 06:05.11 | yigal | dongs: your the man, is it a handheld |
| 06:05.59 | dongs | http://pbx.mine.nu/usl5p.jpg |
| 06:06.01 | dongs | its a this |
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| 06:06.27 | Nyle | well |
| 06:06.36 | Nyle | I'm trying to find a way to put linux on my gameboy advance sp |
| 06:06.47 | Nyle | I've been reading and researchign for a while now |
| 06:06.47 | yigal | dongs: I don't know the battery so I don't know how large or small that cpu is? |
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| 06:07.13 | Nyle | you know gba runs a windows like windows gui OS that can do like mp3 playback, video playback, ebook reader, calendar, tons of other functions |
| 06:07.13 | moshii | Nyle: you can't, no mmu |
| 06:07.18 | Nyle | i know |
| 06:07.24 | dongs | hmmm |
| 06:07.26 | Nyle | but there are linux that don't need to manage memory |
| 06:07.31 | Nyle | its an arm cpu in the gameboy |
| 06:07.41 | moshii | uclinux, which is just bent haha |
| 06:07.43 | Nyle | even without a memory management unit you can still run linux |
| 06:07.45 | Nyle | well |
| 06:07.48 | yigal | awesome, that is a useful gameboy, its a manboy |
| 06:07.50 | Nyle | eitherway |
| 06:07.55 | Nyle | yigal: oh yeah |
| 06:08.01 | yigal | s/its/it's |
| 06:08.13 | Nyle | all you need a 512+mb game boy advance cartridge and the custom OS |
| 06:08.19 | Nyle | you can download and put any game rom on it |
| 06:08.22 | moshii | The Ds is more suitable for linux, but it's CP15 isn't really up to being an mmu |
| 06:08.26 | Nyle | even sega game gear roms through an emulator |
| 06:08.27 | dongs | 27mm |
| 06:08.28 | dongs | square |
| 06:08.39 | Nyle | I was surprised when I learned how powerful the gba actually is |
| 06:08.53 | Nyle | all flash based |
| 06:08.53 | moshii | Nyle: plently of microsd cards for the gba/ds |
| 06:08.54 | dongs | board is 115x80 or so. |
| 06:09.07 | Nyle | oh lots of hackery can be done |
| 06:09.15 | Nyle | I'm not an electronics tech |
| 06:09.18 | Nyle | but i do know my fair share |
| 06:09.37 | yigal | that is really nice, but what about input it's not like a keyboard, so your limited to a couple buttons? |
| 06:09.47 | moshii | Nyle: http://nocash.emubase.de/gbatek.htm |
| 06:09.47 | Nyle | electronic keyboard |
| 06:09.52 | Nyle | you don't really need to type |
| 06:09.54 | Nyle | its all gui |
| 06:10.02 | Nyle | if you do, there is a little keyboard in there |
| 06:10.12 | Nyle | software keyboard |
| 06:10.25 | Nyle | well, some gba OS feature it |
| 06:10.25 | yigal | very nice |
| 06:10.26 | moshii | yigal: you could hack a ps2 interface on to the cartridge slot if you want |
| 06:10.27 | Nyle | some don't |
| 06:10.48 | yigal | i've grown too attached to a keyboard |
| 06:10.50 | Nyle | I should actually try to go to some electronics technician shop and tell em |
| 06:10.52 | moshii | an os on the gba couldn't have memory protection or anything though |
| 06:10.58 | Nyle | hey look, let me do an hour here every day with you |
| 06:11.03 | Nyle | I'll learn and do work fo ryou |
| 06:11.07 | dongs | fs/proc... |
| 06:11.08 | Nyle | you don't have to pay me a dime |
| 06:11.10 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:11.17 | Nyle | learn some hands on electronics work |
| 06:11.23 | Nyle | have access to tools and then i can do soe hackery |
| 06:11.24 | arussel | Wyzard: (for info) It is possible to use usb with the free version: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/USB_on_Ubuntu_7.04 |
| 06:11.33 | moshii | Nyle: you can learn a lot about the gba from that link I pasted ;) |
| 06:11.45 | Nyle | moshii: I wasn't paying attention, i'll peek |
| 06:12.41 | moshii | Nyle: Iy you want to start at gba or ds dev I'll point you to my packages for the sdk ;) |
| 06:13.22 | Nyle | Death - Symbolic - Crystal Mountain |
| 06:13.24 | Nyle | oh oops |
| 06:13.29 | Nyle | my bad |
| 06:13.42 | Nyle | moshii: oh man |
| 06:13.53 | Nyle | I'm trying not to die here, eat some food, I can't be bothered with any mind jobs right now |
| 06:13.56 | Nyle | :( |
| 06:14.02 | Nyle | moshii: however I have you in mind |
| 06:14.17 | yigal | Nyle: do you have any craving for any kind of food at all? |
| 06:14.37 | Nyle | moshii: right now I'm enjoying some Death from back in the day.. Symbolic, Chuck Shuldiner's best album |
| 06:14.42 | Nyle | truely a classic in death metal |
| 06:14.49 | Nyle | yigal: no I do not |
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| 06:15.07 | Nyle | I just occasionally feel hungry so i eat a bit |
| 06:15.14 | Nyle | otherwise I get dizzy and weak |
| 06:15.27 | shamrock | Nyle: very interesting for all. I'm sure. You sure seem to like the sound of your own voice. Turn it down man. |
| 06:15.38 | Nyle | shamrock: /ignore Nyle |
| 06:15.39 | moshii | ouch |
| 06:15.44 | Nyle | and kindly stfu. |
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| 06:16.00 | moshii | handbags at dawn! |
| 06:16.15 | shamrock | Nyle: seriously. You're like some self obsessed automaton. No one gives a fuck about you being hungry. STFU or go join the knitting channel. |
| 06:16.19 | amphi | !aolify Nyle |
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| 06:16.32 | Nyle | shamrock: I'm a piece of shit, so what? |
| 06:16.37 | streuner_ | shamrock: enough |
| 06:16.41 | Nyle | fuck off? |
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| 06:17.56 | streuner_ | its early in morning in germany, i think he prolly had a bad night before so dont take that too seriously |
| 06:18.26 | Nyle | streuner_: thanks, he has a poit though |
| 06:18.36 | Nyle | I appreciate it, but he didn't have to be a dick about it |
| 06:19.18 | amphi | Nyle: chicken broth with rice in it is what you need ;) |
| 06:19.19 | moshii | shamrock, germany? |
| 06:19.43 | moshii | I think the irish want their national symbol back. |
| 06:19.50 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 06:19.59 | Nyle | what is a seven course irish meal? |
| 06:20.08 | Nyle | or what is THE seven course irish meal |
| 06:20.19 | Nyle | a potato and a six pack :) |
| 06:20.22 | amphi | bacon & cabbage ;) |
| 06:20.32 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:20.42 | Nyle | man |
| 06:20.55 | moshii | Nyle: or a 72 hour bender of beer and pills if you ask my mate |
| 06:20.58 | Nyle | this package is proving to be nasty, I got the engine packaged up, but now I have no sound |
| 06:21.06 | shamrock | amphi: Oh no. Not more talk about food ... :-; |
| 06:21.08 | Nyle | the game engine compiled fine and I've packages made |
| 06:21.19 | Nyle | now I have to make it policy compliant |
| 06:21.28 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
| 06:21.30 | amphi | hmm, now I feel hungry |
| 06:21.39 | Nyle | amphi: do you enjoy classic doom? |
| 06:21.57 | amphi | not so much |
| 06:22.22 | Nyle | I'm trying to package this doomsday 3d updated hi res graphics texture engine for classic doom |
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| 06:22.42 | amphi | ah |
| 06:22.49 | Nyle | last time I spend almost 70 days on the SMC packages, and that other asshole uploaded them to ftpmaster like 2 days before I did |
| 06:22.59 | Nyle | or I went to, I saw smc in the list and I'm who the hell uploaded this |
| 06:23.09 | amphi | heh |
| 06:23.26 | moshii | Nyle: shouldn't you file a ITP or something to stop that happening? |
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| 06:23.34 | moshii | intent to package iirc |
| 06:23.44 | Nyle | I emailed the buy, sicne he also maintains a few dependency packages of SMC, and he said we can co maintain the package but i never heard form him again ever after many emails i sent him |
| 06:23.48 | Nyle | moshii: this time I did |
| 06:24.33 | Nyle | I got time on my hands these days, I'm thinking of picking up some orphaned packages |
| 06:24.33 | moshii | some dd's can be hard to get hold of, there's new policy to stop that happening. |
| 06:24.50 | Nyle | well, I've got a few dd's i hang with in real life |
| 06:24.59 | Nyle | so if i need something THAT badly, I just make a call |
| 06:25.04 | Nyle | but it usually doesn't come to that |
| 06:25.35 | Nyle | and i know a few maintainers, plus man #debian is the greatest help |
| 06:25.44 | moshii | tell the kde guys to update their packages to the svg |
| 06:25.48 | Nyle | you don't know something and cant find the answer |
| 06:25.51 | Nyle | #debian knows |
| 06:25.52 | moshii | s/svg/svn |
| 06:26.07 | Nyle | moshii: I only work on localizing KDE to my language |
| 06:26.15 | Nyle | I have no other business with it except to use it |
| 06:26.57 | Nyle | and at this rate (me and only 2 other guys who also hardly have time) are working on localizing |
| 06:27.03 | moshii | I managed to upgrade half of kde to 4 by mistake, if they build packages based on the svn it'll actually be usable hehe |
| 06:27.05 | Nyle | its been 3 years on and off, still not even halfway done |
| 06:27.17 | Nyle | bah, I'm fine with 3.5.8 for now |
| 06:28.14 | Nyle | oh god |
| 06:28.23 | Nyle | I just got an email from the devel team |
| 06:28.28 | Nyle | regarding my ITP |
| 06:28.49 | amphi | Nyle: you do urdu localisation for kde? |
| 06:28.57 | Nyle | Jamie Jones was working on doomsday packages, see |
| 06:28.57 | Nyle | <http://bugs.debian.org/319419> for an old ITP (which was |
| 06:28.57 | Nyle | opened originally by a third person entirely). He's also |
| 06:28.57 | Nyle | part of the upstream team (I believe), although the URLs |
| 06:28.57 | Nyle | for the packages seem to all be broken. It would be worth |
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| 06:29.09 | Nyle | wrong fucking click again |
| 06:29.11 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 06:29.23 | Nyle | basically, this is the 3rd itp filed on the doomsday engine |
| 06:29.26 | Nyle | thats it |
| 06:29.28 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 06:29.32 | Nyle | I'm not packaging shit |
| 06:29.36 | Nyle | I'm pissed off again |
| 06:29.38 | moshii | haha |
| 06:29.43 | Nyle | fuck this |
| 06:29.44 | Nyle | :( |
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| 06:30.19 | moshii | just package it and stick it online somewhere so people can at least get hold of a working version |
| 06:30.22 | Nyle | I'd suggest dropping heretic and hexen from the description |
| 06:30.22 | Nyle | since the source for those bits is not distributable. |
| 06:30.24 | Nyle | i knew it |
| 06:30.32 | Nyle | I knew there was some raven code in the engine |
| 06:30.39 | Nyle | so heretic/hexen/strife are out to begin with |
| 06:30.46 | Nyle | you know what, this isn't worth my time |
| 06:30.50 | Nyle | I cancel this ITP |
| 06:31.00 | Nyle | I'm very irritated |
| 06:31.10 | Nyle | fuck it. |
| 06:32.01 | amphi | that's solved then ;) |
| 06:32.46 | frankS_ | hai lawdz... how do i get bonzi buddy for debian?!?!? |
| 06:32.58 | dongs | yay |
| 06:33.00 | dongs | drivers/ide |
| 06:33.09 | dongs | maybe couple more hours. |
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| 06:34.24 | moshii | dongs: you used ccache at least? ;) |
| 06:34.30 | dongs | what |
| 06:34.35 | dongs | ccache on what |
| 06:34.53 | moshii | to cache the objects from you build so if it doesn't work it'll compile a lot quicker next time |
| 06:35.24 | sunnybg | hi, i have copied (with dd) whole disk from one device to another (from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdc). now do I refresh so the proper device nodes for the "new" partitions on sdc will become visible? |
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| 06:38.44 | moshii | sunnybg: I can't think of a way to do it directly, but it you fiddle with fdisk or something it'll tell the kernel to re-read the partition table |
| 06:39.15 | sunnybg | moshii: fdisk -l displays the partitions, but does not recreate the nodes |
| 06:40.04 | moshii | sunnybg: changes the partition type of the swap to something else and write the table, it'll re-read the partition table then |
| 06:40.12 | grendal_prime | !java |
| 06:40.12 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 06:40.24 | moshii | sunnybg: then change it back, there is a better way but I can't think of it |
| 06:40.35 | sunnybg | moshii: sounds like a good idea, i'll try |
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| 06:44.10 | Nyle | gnn |
| 06:44.11 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:44.26 | grendal_prime | !install java |
| 06:44.26 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 06:44.38 | Nyle | it seems that doomsday is not worth my time or effort, especially since the recent changes in upstreams development policies |
| 06:45.00 | sunnybg | moshii: worked like charm, even there was no need to change anything - fdisk, and exit with w |
| 06:45.10 | Nyle | and also, one of the developers whome I actually know a bit for some time now, has started a new fork of the doomsday engine with no raven code |
| 06:45.11 | sunnybg | thanks you very much for the idea |
| 06:45.14 | Nyle | completely gpl |
| 06:45.21 | fyrestrtr | is there something going on with the mirrors? |
| 06:45.24 | Nyle | and it can easly comply with DFSG |
| 06:45.30 | Nyle | now THAT is what I'm talking about |
| 06:45.36 | Nyle | anyway, brb, stuff to smoke |
| 06:46.08 | fyrestrtr | I'm getting this when doing apt-get update > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 06:46.56 | moshii | sunnybg: :) |
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| 06:48.23 | dongs | LOL it failed to compile |
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| 06:52.54 | dongs | heh, i just symlinked /usr/include/linux to the new kernel, i bet its going to recompile almost everything |
| 06:53.41 | streuner_ | fyrestrtr: please paste your sources.ist (paste.debian.net) |
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| 06:58.23 | dongs | lols. |
| 06:58.27 | dongs | forgot to enable something |
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| 07:00.36 | dongs | way to fail it though |
| 07:00.44 | dongs | allright its on drivers/net now |
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| 07:04.55 | ferret_0567 | in what package is "startx"? |
| 07:05.22 | liable | !search |
| 07:05.23 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 07:08.57 | dongs | drivers/scsi |
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| 07:13.59 | dongs | yay usb drivers. |
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| 07:22.18 | internat85 | what am i doing retardly that is stopping `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` from asking me which driver to use |
| 07:23.04 | dongs | net/socket |
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| 07:24.23 | liable | i believe newer xorg doesnt even ask anymore. check the changelog, there must be a switch to make it ask. the file says to use -phigh try that |
| 07:24.41 | liable | dongs: are you talking to yourself? |
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| 07:25.34 | internat85 | well that would be a tad problematic if it didnt |
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| 07:28.14 | wingot | Hey |
| 07:28.43 | wingot | I've got apache2-utils installed, but still no htpasswd2. Anyone know where this has gone? |
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| 07:30.36 | arussel | ps aux shows emacs is started but kill tells me no such process. The emacs window is not responding at all. |
| 07:30.56 | wingot | arussel: For kill are you putting in the process number? |
| 07:31.13 | arussel | wingot: |
| 07:31.16 | arussel | yes |
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| 07:31.43 | wingot | What about `killall emacs`? does it work? |
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| 07:33.02 | internat85 | is there a vnc type remote admin for kde? |
| 07:33.13 | internat85 | i want something that i can take control of the main screen with. ie the one on the monitor |
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| 07:34.01 | helo_ | i desperately need to play a .shn file, but shorten is not available from apt, and will not build with gcc 4.x |
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| 07:34.10 | hologram | internat85: tightvnc ? |
| 07:34.11 | ferret_0567 | liable: thank you, I found the package I was looking for |
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| 07:34.35 | internat85 | im not sure.. i can never get vnc to be the main screen and not lauch another |
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| 07:34.40 | eshaase | my computer randomly turns off if i actively use it, however if i don't use it but keep it on, it wont' randomly turn off... also, in order to turn the computer back on i have to unplug the power supply and re-plug it back in in order to power on the system, anyone have any idea whats going on? |
| 07:34.58 | internat85 | eshaase: its overheating |
| 07:35.29 | eshaase | internat85: so maybe one of my fans blew? |
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| 07:35.44 | helo_ | i' |
| 07:35.46 | internat85 | or arent doing there job |
| 07:36.05 | helo_ | i'll give head to whoever can get .shn files playing on this bawx |
| 07:36.24 | liable | ferret_0567: your'e welcome |
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| 07:40.41 | hologram | helo_: are you ready? |
| 07:40.53 | hologram | helo_: i have the solution |
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| 07:42.01 | hologram | helo_: cat *.shn >> /dev/dsp |
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| 07:43.20 | moshii | hologram: it isn't even compressed? |
| 07:43.42 | hologram | :) |
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| 07:43.58 | hologram | ya guess i should have dropped a gzip pipe in there |
| 07:43.59 | hologram | sorry |
| 07:44.01 | hologram | :X |
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| 07:47.45 | helo_ | no head for you! |
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| 07:48.45 | liable | gotts be worth a hand job though |
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| 07:49.05 | helo_ | i am pissed, i have the meddled live recording in .shn format |
| 07:49.06 | cast | uhuh |
| 07:49.12 | helo_ | and i can't play it, wth |
| 07:50.00 | internat85 | is krfb a vncserver type thing for kde? |
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| 07:52.11 | cast | internat85: aptitude show krfb |
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| 07:54.55 | stiv2k | how can i reduce the number of wakeups per second? im getting like 1200! |
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| 07:55.18 | dongs | wakeups what |
| 07:55.20 | Packor | Hello, is there someone here familiar with package development? |
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| 07:55.38 | stiv2k | dongs: you know, CPU wakeups |
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| 07:56.00 | dongs | try hitting the power switch? |
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| 07:56.17 | stiv2k | wouldnt that turn the machine off :| |
| 07:56.29 | stiv2k | actually in my case it would hibernate but w/e |
| 07:56.32 | helo_ | sounds like .shn is not supported in etch these days :( |
| 07:56.35 | dongs | lol hibernate. |
| 07:56.43 | stiv2k | suspend-to-disk. |
| 07:56.50 | Packor | Where is the debian development channel? |
| 07:56.59 | dongs | right. aka "never works properly and takes years to suspend/restore" |
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| 07:57.13 | helo_ | shntool is a joke, it requires the program 'shorten', which doesn't compile with gcc 4.s |
| 07:57.16 | helo_ | 4.x too |
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| 07:57.30 | helo_ | fucking shntool needs to be removed as broken |
| 07:57.44 | stiv2k | dongs: i dont quite understand what your point is.... hibernate works fine |
| 07:57.59 | stiv2k | but i'm trying to reduce the number of wakeups-from-idle per second |
| 07:58.24 | helo_ | dpkg: shorten is broken |
| 07:58.24 | dpkg | okay, helo_ |
| 07:59.55 | dongs | stiv2k: i would suggest running this OS on hardware without monitor and keyboard attached. |
| 07:59.58 | helo_ | dpkg: shorten is try downloading the xmms-shn plugin from freshmeat if you are desperate to play a shn file, otherwise suck a cock |
| 07:59.58 | dpkg | ...but shorten is already something else... |
| 08:00.09 | stiv2k | dongs: it's a notebook.. |
| 08:00.10 | xingu | stiv2k: what does powertop say? |
| 08:00.19 | dongs | stiv2k: my point exactly |
| 08:00.39 | stiv2k | xingu: i'm looking at powertop... currently 2561 wakeups per second |
| 08:00.52 | xingu | stiv2k: what's the top cause? |
| 08:01.01 | stiv2k | xingu: well i have an AMD processor so it doesnt show those stats |
| 08:01.07 | stiv2k | it only shows wakeups per second and CPU C-states |
| 08:01.26 | stiv2k | only C0 and C1 have use |
| 08:01.50 | xingu | stiv2k: hmm, didn't think that bit was _cpu_ dependant, pretty sure it's a kernel thing |
| 08:01.57 | stiv2k | oh |
| 08:01.58 | dongs | amd.. notebook.. linux.. |
| 08:02.04 | dongs | i think i need to distance myself from this conversation |
| 08:02.04 | stiv2k | xingu: well i use amd64 |
| 08:02.15 | stiv2k | dongs: what's the problem? flashbacks? |
| 08:02.23 | xingu | stiv2k: CONFIG_TIMER_STATS |
| 08:02.32 | stiv2k | xingu: im pretty sure that detailed information is only availabel on intel chips? |
| 08:02.33 | dongs | im wondering if its 2008 or i walked into like september 2001 or something. |
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| 08:02.54 | stiv2k | dongs: it's 2008 |
| 08:02.57 | xingu | stiv2k: grep CONFIG_TIMER_STATS /boot/config-`uname-r` |
| 08:04.02 | stiv2k | xingu: no matching entry for my current kernel... |
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| 08:04.28 | xingu | stiv2k: then as it's not a debian kernel you'll need to do the local equivalent |
| 08:04.36 | stiv2k | xingu: what?? |
| 08:05.04 | xingu | stiv2k: should either be "=Y" or "is not set" |
| 08:05.12 | stiv2k | no i mean |
| 08:05.21 | stiv2k | there is no file there for my kernel |
| 08:05.26 | xingu | exactly |
| 08:05.27 | liable | erm |
| 08:05.29 | xingu | so it's not a debian kernel |
| 08:05.55 | stiv2k | theres entries for older kernels but not this version |
| 08:05.55 | liable | even a none debian kernel will have a config file |
| 08:05.55 | xingu | liable: depends on build method |
| 08:05.55 | stiv2k | i use sidux |
| 08:06.05 | stiv2k | it's technically still debian isn't it |
| 08:06.08 | xingu | stiv2k: try /proc/config{,.gz} |
| 08:06.09 | liable | no |
| 08:06.36 | cast | stiv2k: if it isn't called debian then its not debian :o |
| 08:06.39 | liable | xingu: aye |
| 08:06.40 | stiv2k | steve@trillian:~$ grep CONFIG_TIMER_STATS /proc/config{,.gz} |
| 08:06.40 | stiv2k | grep: /proc/config: No such file or directory |
| 08:07.10 | liable | xingu: i was making assumptions i obviously shouldnt have |
| 08:07.40 | xingu | stiv2k: well that's your research project for today - "hunt the .config for your running kernel" |
| 08:07.59 | stiv2k | xingu: hmm, it's a good thing its 3:00 AM and i just got back from a party all shitfaced |
| 08:07.59 | xingu | stiv2k: good luck with that; I'm telling you it's missing CONFIG_TIMER_STATS and without that you're working blind |
| 08:08.23 | stiv2k | xingu: give me a minute, i will find out |
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| 08:09.07 | cast | stiv2k: zgrep STRING /proc/config.gz, grep won't work on gzipped things |
| 08:09.25 | xingu | personally I think that compulsory sterilisation is the answer for people that don't distribute config with kernel |
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| 08:09.36 | stiv2k | CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_STRING=m |
| 08:09.45 | j45on | hi, do I install acx100 for the driver dlink DWL-650+ wireless PCMCIA card? |
| 08:09.53 | xingu | cast: the file doesn't even exist per grep error so it's going to be slow going anyway |
| 08:10.37 | xingu | oh maybe not |
| 08:10.44 | xingu | stiv2k: zgrep CONFIG_TIMER_STATS /proc/config.gz |
| 08:11.30 | stiv2k | ah |
| 08:11.34 | xingu | man, there' s a _huge_ difference between triplebuffer, and no triplebuffer for nvidia proprietry |
| 08:11.47 | xingu | I feel like I've just broken through alice's looking glass |
| 08:11.54 | stiv2k | xingu: no result. |
| 08:12.03 | stiv2k | geez... |
| 08:12.07 | j45on | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.08 | ericP_ | FAQ: where should i look for an old package (like linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686)? |
| 08:12.27 | xingu | stiv2k: how about CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL ? |
| 08:12.57 | xingu | j45on: if memory serves there's about 3 different _chips_ all with that same sticker on them |
| 08:12.59 | stiv2k | # CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is not set |
| 08:13.01 | ericP_ | there's some server that holds packages that have left the main distro, iirc |
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| 08:13.17 | cast | j45on: my two cents: much easier to use a cable :) [security, speed, reliability wise] |
| 08:13.34 | xingu | stiv2k: there you go; so no ...DEBUG... implies no ...TIMER_STATS... implies powertop being of limited use |
| 08:13.46 | j45on | well, if its possible to use back this wireless one I would like to try |
| 08:13.47 | xingu | stiv2k: at this point I'd refer you to your vendor. :) |
| 08:13.53 | j45on | just wanted to know how. =/ |
| 08:14.33 | stiv2k | xingu: i see.. okay that clears a lot of things up |
| 08:14.33 | xingu | j45on: unfortunately at least two of them even share the same vendor and product id |
| 08:14.33 | stiv2k | xingu: i was wondering why the advanced stats werent available... |
| 08:14.33 | xingu | j45on: so; it's a crap shoot basically |
| 08:14.34 | stiv2k | xingu: ill talk to slh, the kernel maintainer for sidux maybe i can persuade him to enable that option |
| 08:14.36 | j45on | xingu: can you elaborate further? |
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| 08:14.44 | xingu | j45on: one of the chipsets is a prism (2.5 maybe, it was years ago ok?) which is well supported with the hostap driver |
| 08:15.05 | stiv2k | xingu: so once i get that option up, it will show me exactly what's causing all the idle wakeups?? |
| 08:15.13 | j45on | you mean the chipset in the DWL-650+ ? |
| 08:15.13 | xingu | j45on: I honestly forget what the others are, but I do know that the non-prism designs were a bit of a mongerel back in the day |
| 08:15.18 | xingu | j45on: exactly so. |
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| 08:15.50 | j45on | xingu: can you guide me how to go about it? |
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| 08:16.02 | xingu | j45on: your best bet is try and find out that gem of info; unfortunately if you don't already _have_ it in a linux system, or, the place you're getting from doesn't, it gets fiddly |
| 08:16.14 | j45on | gem info? |
| 08:16.41 | xingu | j45on: if you're already got the card in your notebook, try pccardctl ident |
| 08:17.00 | xingu | j45on: that might tell us a bit more detail |
| 08:17.01 | j45on | xinu, without installing the driver? |
| 08:17.26 | xingu | j45on: exactly so, this is just querying the basic cis that every card must support |
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| 08:17.39 | j45on | ok i would then have to unplu the current lan card |
| 08:17.51 | j45on | brb |
| 08:17.53 | xingu | j45on: ok well in that case |
| 08:18.01 | xingu | j45on: lets run the full lot to save repluggery |
| 08:18.06 | j45on | ? |
| 08:18.20 | j45on | xingu: run the full lot? |
| 08:18.30 | xingu | j45on: try that same command _now_ and see if it gives you string and vendor and product id for your lan card |
| 08:19.39 | j45on | typin the command in the terminal it gives me command not found |
| 08:20.11 | xingu | j45on: pcmciautils |
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| 08:20.13 | xingu | !installit |
| 08:20.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 08:22.11 | j45on | xingu: what is the name of the app? |
| 08:22.19 | xingu | j45on: then, while you've got the card plugged in, in addition to "pccardctl ident" output, also pastebin "lspci" and "dmesg" |
| 08:22.33 | xingu | j45on: pccardctl ident, from pcmciautils |
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| 08:23.50 | j45on | pcmciautils is installed =/ |
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| 08:24.12 | xingu | j45on: running as root? |
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| 08:24.53 | j45on | socket 1 and 0, no product info available. |
| 08:25.01 | j45on | Lan PCMCIA is plugged at the moment =/ |
| 08:25.07 | xingu | oh boy |
| 08:25.36 | j45on | its a Xircom card |
| 08:25.54 | xingu | j45on: try pccardctl ls |
| 08:26.16 | j45on | there is something |
| 08:26.22 | j45on | where do I paste the info? |
| 08:26.30 | xingu | !pastebin |
| 08:26.31 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 08:26.36 | xingu | use rafb |
| 08:26.50 | yang_ | Which is Qulity of Service daemon for debian ? |
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| 08:28.05 | j45on | xingu: http://rafb.net/p/LP9XPH62.html |
| 08:29.06 | xingu | j45on: excellent; so with the dwl650 (is it dwl650 or dwl650+?) plugged in, pccardctl ident; pccardctl ls; lspci; dmesg |
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| 08:29.16 | xingu | j45on: that should give us something to be getting on with |
| 08:29.24 | j45on | ok |
| 08:29.31 | j45on | brb |
| 08:29.54 | j45on | how to 'your card can now be removed'? |
| 08:30.09 | j45on | or bedian dont need that? |
| 08:30.44 | xingu | j45on: pccardctl eject 0; but the bus/driver should support hot remove anyway |
| 08:30.57 | xingu | j45on: the advantage of eject is that it'll unload the driver whereas hot remove may not |
| 08:31.26 | xingu | (shouldn't be necessary to unload the driver regardless unless it's buggy) |
| 08:33.24 | j45on | brb |
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| 08:33.44 | ericP_ | trying again -- where do i find old debs? (i recall there's a debian resource for that) |
| 08:33.46 | legendi | re |
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| 08:34.21 | j45on | ok |
| 08:34.35 | j45on | xingu: http://rafb.net/p/Mw7BwB73.html |
| 08:35.06 | theatro | ericP_, do you mean that on debian.org, click on packages? |
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| 08:36.02 | xingu | j45on: ok so now we know which dwl650 you have - it's the acx100 variant. |
| 08:36.08 | xingu | lets try a complete shot in the dark |
| 08:36.09 | j45on | ok |
| 08:36.11 | xingu | !acx100 |
| 08:36.11 | dpkg | Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 wireless network chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx100/111 drivers (http://acx100.sf.net). Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions available at http://acx100.sf.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian Also ask me about <acx100 firmware>. |
| 08:36.15 | xingu | woo! |
| 08:36.27 | j45on | I'm on gnome |
| 08:36.53 | j45on | so I'll just go to Desktop>Synaptic Packages Manager |
| 08:37.34 | xingu | j45on: so you need to build acx100; easiest way to do that will be install module-assistant, build-essential, and acx100-source packae; then m-a prepare; m-a a-i acx100 |
| 08:37.49 | j45on | with su? |
| 08:37.52 | xingu | but check the wiki, it'll be more up to date than me |
| 08:38.05 | xingu | j45on: follow the bouncing ball over at the wiki site is probably best |
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| 08:39.11 | xingu | j45on: I'm going to have to abandon you right there; the wiki will tell you what build packages you need; your next hurdles are going to be specific to either that build process _or_ that driver; I don't have acx100 hardware so this is end of line for me. |
| 08:39.22 | ericP_ | theatro, i am looking for a specific package name (which no longer appears in at least the sources i'm looking at) -- linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 08:40.00 | ericP_ | theatro, (driven back by a change to the ipw3945 driver in the last two versions) |
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| 08:41.43 | j45on | xingu. http://rafb.net/p/arQJF668.html |
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| 08:43.49 | xingu | j45on: that'll be some interaction with your gnome package manager and apt-get |
| 08:44.00 | xingu | j45on: suggest you install the same packages with your current gui and forget the apt-get bits. |
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| 08:44.40 | xingu | j45on: the key is those packages after "apt-get install ..." and their deps and recommends get installed |
| 08:45.02 | ericP_ | theatro, www.backports.org appears to be my answer (haven't tried yet, though) |
| 08:45.03 | xingu | j45on: _how_ you do that is up to you - suggest you use whatever package tool you're currently comfortable with |
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| 08:49.55 | Roy_M | Hi, does anyone have a good way start multiple programs at the same time? Eg I want to run iperf (to measure bandwith) to 3 different PCs at the same time. |
| 08:50.22 | legendi | er, does that examle script here have any sense? http://www.debianadmin.com/automatic-update-of-packages-using-cron-apt.html |
| 08:50.50 | legendi | I mean I don't get it why's there the -simulate if one wants to atomatice upgradeing |
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| 08:50.59 | Erik1 | can I 'grow' a debian install cd with the nvidia driver kernels stuff incorporated ? my installation gives me a blank screen when ready, because the fx5200 kernel modules aren't there. card gives no signal to monitor... |
| 08:51.08 | xingu | legendi: stop people shooting themselves in the foot via copypaste maybe |
| 08:51.52 | SQLDb | Erik1: are you getting a kernel oops? |
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| 08:52.22 | Erik1 | SQLDB: no: a black screen ! I dunno what it gives... |
| 08:52.32 | Erik1 | totally blind |
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| 08:53.00 | j45on | xingu: http://rafb.net/p/we9BPY22.html |
| 08:53.25 | Erik1 | I can get an alt terminal, and then I see that modules are missing... |
| 08:53.31 | SQLDb | Erik1: I've revently run into the same, but running X.... The solution for me was to upgrade to sid, and, install kernel 2.6.24. Anything less resulted in oops'es, and, black screns, where I couldn't change terms. Are you on amd64? |
| 08:53.49 | Erik1 | after installing the nvidia stuff, a reboot gives mea lack screen AGAIN |
| 08:53.50 | SQLDb | oic, not the same thing then |
| 08:53.53 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:54.12 | j45on | xingu: after ok, came out this http://rafb.net/p/TGKe5u14.html |
| 08:54.14 | Erik1 | i386 |
| 08:54.47 | Erik1 | yeah: normal terminal is ok, but problem is in X |
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| 08:55.28 | xingu | j45on: m-a prepare |
| 08:55.31 | SQLDb | ahh, nm then, mine oopsed out, and, I couldn't get any term. Only could SSH in. |
| 08:55.40 | Erik1 | sqldb: what is sid |
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| 08:56.07 | SQLDb | Erik1: Debian Unstable. |
| 08:56.12 | Erik1 | ok |
| 08:56.33 | j45on | xingu: http://rafb.net/p/IuahEW35.html |
| 08:56.52 | xingu | j45on: ok shut down your gnome package manager I think |
| 08:56.59 | xingu | j45on: then try again |
| 08:57.25 | j45on | =) |
| 08:57.30 | j45on | ok its downloading |
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| 08:57.52 | Erik1 | sqldb: i installed ubuntu though, with no problem...straight install. I think I'll stay there... |
| 08:58.06 | SQLDb | Erik1: fair enough. |
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| 08:58.56 | legendi | I'm doing apt-get update/upgrade on daily regularity if I get a notification from deb-security there's something relevant to me, is it ok? |
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| 08:59.09 | legendi | sry for beeing lame but I'm new with debian and want to be sure what am I doing :-) |
| 08:59.43 | wols_ | legendi: of course uupdating after security announcements is ok |
| 08:59.54 | legendi | I've just installed cron-apt to automatice it |
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| 09:00.18 | shamrock | I just installed debian lenny on my thinkpad. It went well. Until I tried to get my wireless ipw2200 working. I was online with a cable connection and I followed the instructions here : http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 . When I did the modprobe, the wireless worked and I connected to be router in wpa - perfect. The problem was when I rebooted the USB mouse was all jerky and neither the wireless nor the cable work. The |
| 09:00.18 | shamrock | cable conenction reports its waiting for dhcpoffers. Can someone please look at the link above and clarify what I need to do to revserse the procedure? It is enough just to remove the firmware? |
| 09:00.19 | wols_ | cron-apt is... not so good (imho) |
| 09:00.21 | emil|k | legendi, that is okay, but not necessary. once or twice a week is enough for cour personal computer. |
| 09:00.38 | xingu | Erik1: what happens if you boot using the "installgui" option? |
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| 09:01.03 | legendi | I'm trying to build a server just for fun and to learning how things really works ;] |
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| 09:05.33 | xingu | shamrock: rm -i /lib/firmware/{ipw2200-bss.fw,ipw2200-sniffer.fw,LICENSE.ipw2200-fw,ipw2200-ibss.fw} |
| 09:06.49 | xingu | shamrock: that's it; the other bits are 1, drivers shipped with your etch/lenny kernel-image; and 2, the gnome network monitor config |
| 09:07.09 | xingu | shamrock: nothing else should have been installed/ altered per that page from my read |
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| 09:14.04 | j45on | hi, when i was tryin to copy files into /lib/firmware/ or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ it says I do not have permission. |
| 09:14.23 | j45on | How do I ain access? |
| 09:16.57 | j45on | I have already downloaded the two .bin files from this url http://web.archive.org/web/20060527215232/acx100.erley.org/acx_fw/acx100_dlink_dwl650+/fw1/ |
| 09:17.05 | j45on | and they are now in my desktop |
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| 09:17.41 | j45on | I am suppose to put them into /lib/firmware/ or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 09:18.09 | j45on | How to get access to paste the files in? |
| 09:21.33 | xingu | j45on: you'll need to use the root account again |
| 09:21.55 | j45on | from the terminal, how do I copy and paste the two files in the desktop? |
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| 09:22.49 | xingu | j45on: use the "cp" command rather than the drag/drop |
| 09:23.04 | xingu | j45on: cp something.bin /lib/firmware/ |
| 09:23.24 | j45on | the file is at the desktop |
| 09:23.32 | j45on | it doesnt matter? |
| 09:23.46 | xingu | j45on: ok the on-disk path for that will be - ~yourusername/Desktop/ |
| 09:23.55 | xingu | j45on: so first cd ~yourusername/Desktop/ |
| 09:24.03 | xingu | j45on: then - "ls" to confirm the files are there |
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| 09:25.57 | j45on | ok, that does it. Both files needs to be copied? |
| 09:26.07 | xingu | j45on: I'd say so yes - what are their names? |
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| 09:26.49 | j45on | RADIO11.BIN and WLANGEN.BIN_1.9.8.b |
| 09:27.30 | j45on | in http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Firmware undr naming convention, do I have to follow those steps too? |
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| 09:31.15 | j45on | xingu: are you still there? |
| 09:31.16 | sharyari | hello hello |
| 09:32.09 | xingu | j45on: yes; so use cd /lib/firmware; mv RADIO11.BIN tiacx100r11 |
| 09:32.16 | xingu | j45on: not sure what to do with WLANGEN.BIN |
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| 09:33.22 | xingu | j45on: aah; mv WLANGEN.BIN_1.9.8.b tiacx100 |
| 09:33.35 | lightstep | is there a package that installs /lib/modules/.../build, or if i want it, i should compile manually into there? |
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| 09:34.35 | j45on | xingu: ok done that. Is it all? |
| 09:34.45 | jelly-home | !wayttd lightstep |
| 09:34.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lightstep? |
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| 09:35.36 | lightstep | i'm trying (again) to install oss-linux. the install scripts compiles the oss modules against the kernel, and requires /lib/modules/version/build |
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| 09:36.29 | jelly-home | you want to install linux-headers-(uname -r) |
| 09:36.49 | jelly-home | sorry, linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 09:38.01 | j45on | xingu: are you still here? |
| 09:38.52 | lightstep | cool. i installed linux-source previously, and it just put one file in /usr/src |
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| 09:40.36 | j45on | HI anyone, care to take over from xingu? |
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| 09:45.47 | mark_s | hi all, how can I find out th uuid of my swap partition tundfs -l /dev/sdb1 doesn't do the job |
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| 09:47.15 | opensrcguru | mark_s: what do u need it for? |
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| 09:49.03 | mark_s | opensrcguru: for the entry in the fstab. I get a mixup if an external USB device is conected to the pc at boot time. |
| 09:49.32 | opensrcguru | i think a better approach would be to LABEL the partitions. |
| 09:49.58 | jelly-home | mark_s: blkid |
| 09:50.20 | quirim | ]/lastlog potato |
| 09:50.26 | quirim | woops |
| 09:51.19 | mark_s | jelly-home: all return an id but swap here it says: /dev/.static/dev/sdb1: TYPE="swap" |
| 09:52.08 | jelly-home | mark_s: well, it shows an UUID here as well. And I've mkswapped with a label argument, s it has a LABEL as well |
| 09:52.27 | mark_s | what does this .static in /dev/.static/dev/sdb1 mean? |
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| 09:52.54 | cast | mark_s: blkid |
| 09:53.05 | opensrcguru | jelly-home: thanks for the tool. i was unaware of such a tool |
| 09:53.10 | jelly-home | !lose cast |
| 09:53.10 | dpkg | cast: You Lose. |
| 09:53.14 | cast | oj, right :< |
| 09:53.48 | mark_s | cast: blkid returns an uuid for all my partitions but my swap partition |
| 09:54.15 | mark_s | jelly-home: so I should use mkswapped? can I do this on a running system? |
| 09:54.59 | jelly-home | mark_s: "mkswap". You'd need to swapoff, create it anew, then turn swap back on |
| 09:55.28 | jelly-home | I verbized the command, sorry for the confusion |
| 09:55.54 | mark_s | jelly-home: I just did "mkswap /dev/sdb1" and then blkid. Now my swap partition has an uuid. |
| 09:56.25 | jelly-home | mark_s: hopefully the swap wasn't in use at the time |
| 09:56.42 | cast | swaps for girls |
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| 09:57.17 | mark_s | jelly-home: ups, was I too fast? what could have happend? |
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| 09:57.48 | jelly-home | mark_s: at worst, corruption of some swapped-out pages |
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| 09:58.01 | sppt | hey |
| 09:58.22 | jelly-home | mark_s: I'd just push the reset button now to be safe |
| 09:59.07 | sppt | i added a line to my /etc/fstab to mount my ntfs-drives on boot, but whenever i try accessing either of them, i can't, what can i do about that? |
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| 09:59.48 | mark_s | jelly-home: ok, thank you for the help. I always had a lot of trouble when they connected the external usb device too early |
| 10:01.39 | DustyBin | i installed the xen kernel on debian etch, the grub menu.lst wasnt updated automatically? is this normal for a xen kernel? |
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| 10:05.03 | ac_ac | hello :) |
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| 10:05.14 | ac_ac | hello :) |
| 10:05.28 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
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| 10:05.28 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 10:05.41 | jetscreamer | !update-grub |
| 10:05.41 | dpkg | from memory, update-grub is a magical Debian system for maintaining the grub menu automatically whenever kernel images are installed and removed (assuming they are built using make-kpkg as they should be). Also might want to man kernel-img.conf, and have a look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/grub , do 'zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz' |
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| 10:07.36 | sppt | ah thanks jetscreamer :) |
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| 10:11.30 | j45on2 | hi, do I install firefox from the synaptic packae manager? |
| 10:11.55 | wols_ | !iceweasel |
| 10:11.56 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 10:12.13 | j45on2 | ? |
| 10:12.17 | j45on2 | IceCat? |
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| 10:13.07 | j45on2 | Can smeone elaborate? |
| 10:13.13 | wols_ | can you read? |
| 10:13.21 | wols_ | where does it say icecat? |
| 10:13.26 | j45on2 | I dont quite understand it full. =/ |
| 10:13.35 | wols_ | where does it say icecat? |
| 10:13.36 | sep | j45on2, aptitude install iceweasel installs firefox(iceweasel) |
| 10:13.49 | j45on2 | Thank you sep. |
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| 10:14.35 | j45on2 | wols_: if dpkg can get the job done, you shouldnt be here in the first place. =) |
| 10:15.12 | ac_ac | hi ! can i upgrade from ubuntu to debian without losing my files ? |
| 10:15.42 | hoxu | ac_ac, you can keep your home, configuration? Probably not |
| 10:15.53 | ac_ac | no, i dont want to keep my conf. |
| 10:16.02 | ac_ac | i just want some files ! |
| 10:16.17 | hoxu | ac_ac, you don't "upgrade" between debian/ubuntu, you need to do a proper install |
| 10:16.18 | ac_ac | and i didnt made a separate /home :( |
| 10:16.19 | sep | ac_ac, i'd take a backup of it ...just in case |
| 10:16.39 | sep | ac_ac, do you have space to make a new partition and copy your files there ? |
| 10:16.41 | ac_ac | yeah, I want to make a clean install of Debian, keeping some files :p |
| 10:16.48 | ac_ac | yeah, i've got space ! |
| 10:17.23 | sep | make a new partition, copy /home/* there. reinstall, but keep that new partition. and mount it as /home |
| 10:17.29 | sep | make backup first!!! |
| 10:17.35 | j45on2 | ok, thanks uys. Think I have got everything I need to complete this laptop for a gift to a kid. Introduce him a debian. =) |
| 10:17.52 | ac_ac | ok |
| 10:17.53 | j45on2 | Good bye. |
| 10:18.09 | ac_ac | and can i next destroy this home part, moving the files to / ? |
| 10:19.08 | hoxu | ac_ac, you might want to make a tar of ubuntu's /etc as well, just in case you need to look at some files as reference when configuring debian |
| 10:19.42 | ac_ac | ok, thanks ! |
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| 10:20.06 | ac_ac | and next, just a noob question, where on the debian site can I download Lenny's netinstall ? |
| 10:20.56 | hoxu | etch is stable, it's recommended to use etch installer even if you want to upgrade to lenny afaik |
| 10:21.21 | cast | ac_ac: why do you want to use lenny? |
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| 10:24.53 | alleyoopster | Hi all, I have a quick question on fcrontab, it is documented to process a job when the computer comes back on - if it was off at scheduled job time, does it do this automatically, or do I need to set it up? |
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| 10:28.18 | hoxu | alleyoopster, is that in debian? |
| 10:28.49 | hoxu | nevermind, seems to be :p |
| 10:29.09 | alleyoopster | yes and no, one machine is debian the other is archlinux |
| 10:29.57 | hoxu | if... what was off at scheduled job time? |
| 10:30.17 | alleyoopster | hoxu: I think it is the same across distros, if the computer is off at scheduled job time |
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| 10:31.06 | teclo- | Hello, can I install lenny by booting off the etch CD1 ? Will debian-installer ask me if I want to install stable, testing or sid ? |
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| 10:31.27 | hoxu | teclo-, make a minimal etch install, then /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 10:31.43 | teclo- | thank you |
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| 10:35.44 | hoxu | alleyoopster, well, the package description says: "Fcron also includes a useful system of options, such as: <clip>, run jobs at fcron's startup if they should have been run during system down time" |
| 10:37.02 | alleyoopster | hoxu: ok that is helpful, I know how to add options. thanks I'll look at that |
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| 10:37.56 | hoxu | alleyoopster, the bootrun option perhaps |
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| 10:40.06 | alleyoopster | hoxu: not sure, been going through the man pages, but it is not obvious |
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| 10:41.28 | porkpie | hi guy's ... does the syslog rotate as default or do I need to do something ?? |
| 10:41.32 | alleyoopster | hoxu: yes you are right, it is bootrun |
| 10:41.58 | porkpie | also has anyone used pptpd ? |
| 10:42.03 | alleyoopster | hoxu: Run a &-line at fcron's startup if it should have be run during system down time. thanks for that, said it was simple :) |
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| 10:42.52 | porkpie | I have a problem with allocating ip addresses ? |
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| 10:43.03 | DarkFlib | whats the smallest a debian install can be? |
| 10:43.31 | DarkFlib | just going through a bare install (no base) to find out but wondered if anyone here knew |
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| 10:46.00 | xingu | DarkFlib: packages.debian.org/live-helper |
| 10:46.14 | wols_ | you can't install debian in a meaningful way without base |
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| 10:47.09 | DarkFlib | it only needs to be a firewall... so it doesn't really need to be a full install imho... |
| 10:47.23 | DarkFlib | xingu: thnx |
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| 10:51.25 | porkpie | guy's I just checked the cron.daily and it looks correct but my syslog is not rotating ?? |
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| 10:53.20 | xingu | someone ought to write a tool that drills the info out of bootchartd to build a bootfs snapshot |
| 10:53.46 | sebastian^ | good morning all |
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| 10:54.47 | xingu | I rather fancy the idea of using my otherwise useless sd card slot as a boot-time-seekstorm-lookaside |
| 10:55.12 | xingu | probably violate about a bazillion msft readyboot patents too, just as added incentive |
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| 10:57.54 | streuner_ | does somebody have openssh-server 4.7p1-3 (i386) package locally? |
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| 10:59.53 | DustyBin | is it possible to install centos in xen running on debian etch? |
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| 11:00.24 | porkpie | guy I am running a pptp-d server and have set the localip and remoteip but when the client connects in it doesn't allocate the addresses ??? |
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| 11:05.06 | DarkFlib | DustyBin: yes |
| 11:06.00 | DarkFlib | easiest way to do it if the base OS has no support is to install in fully virtualised then install a xen kernel in the guest and change the config... |
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| 11:11.17 | martian67 | hi |
| 11:11.27 | martian67 | im having issues getting php4 to work with apache |
| 11:11.59 | martian67 | i have set the .php files to +x and apache is loading the php module |
| 11:12.04 | martian67 | but its not working |
| 11:12.11 | martian67 | it just displays text |
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| 11:13.29 | SpeedyG | martian67: tried to enable the php module ? |
| 11:13.39 | martian67 | it is enabled |
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| 11:13.58 | martian67 | its loaded from /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load |
| 11:14.33 | SpeedyG | martian67: how'd you enable it? :) |
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| 11:14.55 | martian67 | it was enabled when i installed apache-php4 or w/e |
| 11:15.09 | SpeedyG | try to re-enable it with a2enmod ? :) |
| 11:15.37 | martian67 | Module name? php4 |
| 11:15.37 | martian67 | This module is already enabled! |
| 11:15.42 | SpeedyG | hm |
| 11:15.47 | Erik1 | anyone had problems installin R2 on a nvidia fx5200 ? solution ? |
| 11:16.19 | SpeedyG | !anyone |
| 11:16.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:16.56 | SpeedyG | martian67: i've had a similar problem once.. but can't recall how I fixed it back then... |
| 11:17.03 | martian67 | -_- |
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| 11:19.42 | Erik1 | any suggestion for a low-end graphics cards (development work, see occasional videa, no gaming, no nvidia) |
| 11:20.01 | Erik1 | ofcourse good debian support |
| 11:20.22 | xand | Erik1: what's the problem? |
| 11:20.28 | martian67 | why not nvidia? |
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| 11:20.35 | Erik1 | fx5200 not supported |
| 11:20.36 | martian67 | they have the best drivers |
| 11:20.52 | martian67 | so? there are cards alot better than the fx5200 for cheap that are |
| 11:21.00 | Erik1 | which ? |
| 11:21.12 | xand | doesn't the nvidia driver support it? |
| 11:21.32 | Erik1 | etch r2 and fx5200: no go |
| 11:21.46 | Erik1 | signal to screen drops dead |
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| 11:23.02 | Erik1 | martian67: suggestion for better nvidia ? |
| 11:24.07 | xand | Erik1: what do you mean "drops dead"? |
| 11:24.43 | wols_ | Erik1: intel |
| 11:25.00 | wols_ | and: fx5200 works fine with 3 drivers in debian (to the extent they support stuff) |
| 11:25.00 | Erik1 | xand: dead as in the message on the screen: no signal |
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| 11:25.32 | Erik1 | wols_: well, after MY installation, I get a dead screen... |
| 11:25.47 | wols_ | ok. first: what drivre? |
| 11:26.28 | xand | Erik1: could be you're trying to use a resolution your monitor doesn't support |
| 11:27.26 | Erik1 | wols_ just the dvd install disk 1 etch R2. the xorg.conf says, after install: generic video card, default screen, driver=vesa |
| 11:27.27 | Thurin1 | Does anyone know how to stop Xorg from probing for TVOUT/S-videos? |
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| 11:27.47 | Erik1 | xand: no typing: just install |
| 11:27.54 | Thurin1 | Erik1: Dead screen ? |
| 11:27.55 | wols_ | !tell Erik1 about drxx |
| 11:28.09 | Thurin1 | As in... black, or the power dies and standby comes on? |
| 11:28.13 | wols_ | Thurin1: by default it doesn't care. you have to enable tvout manually |
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| 11:28.49 | Thurin1 | wols_: Well then, something is horribly wrong ... but I think it's the new radeon driver... it's not too friendly with muh old trusty Radeon 7000/VE, ohh yeah. |
| 11:29.02 | Erik1 | wols_ yeah I know about that. been there. |
| 11:29.12 | retard | hi all, i want to install debian on my macbook pro version 3.1...i can boot and install windows xp when i press C after i power on the laptop...but debian cant boot like that... |
| 11:29.15 | wols_ | Erik1: then choose the right driver next time |
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| 11:29.30 | DragoraN | hi |
| 11:29.35 | retard | hi. |
| 11:29.39 | Erik1 | Thurin1: as in : 'no signal' on the screen |
| 11:29.43 | wols_ | retard: google elilo or one of the gazillion other howtos for debian on a macbook |
| 11:29.48 | DragoraN | did anyone got working multicasts using pim over ip gre tunnel ? |
| 11:30.02 | DragoraN | what should i set to pimd.conf ? only rp_address x.x.x.x |
| 11:30.03 | DragoraN | ? |
| 11:30.03 | Thurin1 | Erik1: Ok, same as I get - apparently it's caused by the way certain servers probe for resolutions/refresh... |
| 11:30.15 | Thurin1 | Erik1: Is your monitor like a bit old, 2000-2? |
| 11:30.22 | Erik1 | al1716 acer |
| 11:30.23 | retard | so does anyone have experience with installing debian on macbook pro..? |
| 11:30.28 | sppt | hmm, is there any way to mount an ISO file? |
| 11:30.32 | Thurin1 | Ubuntu/Debian and all the Debian based ones do that to some monitors... |
| 11:30.39 | retard | sppt....yes |
| 11:30.43 | Thurin1 | I thought mine was busted :| |
| 11:30.50 | Erik1 | Thurin1: ubuntu 7.10 works fine |
| 11:30.54 | sppt | how do you do it? |
| 11:31.15 | retard | mount -t iso9660 filename mountpoint -o loop |
| 11:31.20 | Thurin1 | Erik1: 7.10 was the opposite for me, dapper works fine - monitor wise. |
| 11:31.21 | retard | not sure about that iso9660 |
| 11:31.28 | Erik1 | Thurin1: etch worked fine before... now a clean installl breaks |
| 11:31.29 | Thurin1 | But now I am on BSD.. so |
| 11:31.52 | Thurin1 | err yeah.. |
| 11:31.57 | Thurin1 | I plan to 'downgrade' xorg |
| 11:32.06 | sppt | ah thanks, that worked :) |
| 11:32.10 | retard | yw |
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| 11:32.21 | Thurin1 | I don't know what they have done but seems like all I've heard lately is problem after problem with it... |
| 11:32.57 | Erik1 | Thurin1: that 's a different story than wol_'s haleluya |
| 11:33.17 | retard | i cant boot to debian netinst cd... :( |
| 11:33.34 | retard | i press C and still doesnt boot...when i press C and put windows xp cd it boots... |
| 11:33.57 | DragoraN | anyone can help me with that multicast? |
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| 11:34.11 | cast | i think one of me is enough thank you very much |
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| 11:34.41 | Thurin1 | retard: You made sure the CD was burned properly? - check if you can 'view the contents' from within XP, if you can -- well on to the next idea, but even if you can try burning the iso at a very low-speed. |
| 11:34.41 | wols_ | retard: name a few of the files on the CD you try to boot from please |
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| 11:35.01 | retard | ok |
| 11:35.02 | retard | 1 min |
| 11:35.02 | possie | anyone know a application which checks if a certain application is running, if not it will start it up, just a simple watch dog like thingy |
| 11:35.06 | retard | i see the content of the cd |
| 11:35.22 | retard | .disk dists doc install install.386 ... etc |
| 11:35.29 | wols_ | possie: a cronscript that uses a script that tuns pidof and acts accordingly |
| 11:35.31 | Thurin1 | retard: Ok, and in the mac machine - what does 'C' stand for? |
| 11:35.33 | Thurin1 | Boot/cd? |
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| 11:35.53 | possie | wols_, k, i thought perhaps there is a special program created for this |
| 11:36.01 | wols_ | retard: what do you get when you press C? anything? |
| 11:36.10 | pep | sppt: mount -o loop |
| 11:38.59 | xk | hmm |
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| 11:49.37 | zealo | hi guys, anyone help me with my mutt ansi color escape sequence ? |
| 11:49.40 | teclo- | Hello, I have a very mysterious problem. On some machine, I did tar --preserve -zcvf of everything, change the hard drive, then tar -zxvf on the new hard drive, reboot. Everything works, except that X does not start. It's the same machine, with the same video card, the same monitor, and the same xorg.conf file. Any ideas ? |
| 11:50.24 | zealo | I use I write like this "-%Z- \e[1;31;m %C/%m==(%e/%E)==: %-20.20n %s%* -- (%P) %d" for my status_format |
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| 11:50.41 | zealo | but mutt does not respond to \e[1;31;m |
| 11:50.48 | zealo | anyone help me,please |
| 11:50.57 | mosno | teclo-: rsync works for me |
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| 11:51.55 | phurl | hi all |
| 11:51.56 | phurl | I have submitted a new project to savannah to make jahshaka free software.We need to get rid of all this LGPL stuff and focus on making the software free from all external influences. https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?7729 please vote for it! |
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| 11:58.01 | cast | 'All updates to the libraries will be maintained, but value will be added by encouraging people who contribute to contribute only to this project. ' how is that value |
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| 11:58.23 | phurl | ok, i should update that. |
| 11:58.48 | phurl | well, the value will be added by having the code maintained |
| 11:58.51 | phurl | and bugs fixed |
| 11:58.56 | phurl | and crud removed |
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| 11:59.01 | phurl | as i have been doing |
| 11:59.34 | phurl | and when more people decide to contribute to the gpled versions than the lgpled versions |
| 11:59.34 | cast | why go to GPL2 instead of 3? |
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| 11:59.41 | phurl | i would use gpl3 |
| 11:59.48 | Zvpun | I got crazy small fonts, where should I start debugging? |
| 11:59.50 | phurl | but savannah does not support it, yet |
| 11:59.59 | cast | ahh. |
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| 12:00.14 | wfq | hi |
| 12:00.21 | phurl | i would love to use gpl3 |
| 12:00.28 | phurl | let me update the thing |
| 12:00.50 | wfq | Could anyone let me know what PCMCIA network cards are more acceptable by linux. Mine, http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=HOWTO-iwlwifi, is making me crazy |
| 12:04.13 | mosno | wfq: my iwl4965 works. sometimes it drops out, but its generally stable |
| 12:04.27 | wols_ | LGPL is not free? news to me |
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| 12:04.55 | phurl | cast, thanks for your comments |
| 12:05.02 | phurl | i updated the project request |
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| 12:12.23 | Zvpun | Where can I configure X resolution? |
| 12:12.41 | polter | Zvpun: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 12:12.47 | cast | i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but you can do it in gnome, |
| 12:13.01 | cast | its on preferences -> screen res i think |
| 12:13.22 | orveldv | I'm having some problems here trying to get opera to work with flashplugin-nonfree ; opera detects the plugin but shows only blank spaces instead of the flash content; did someone manage to get it work? |
| 12:14.05 | Zvpun | I should ask a more precise question, where can I set the dpi resolution for X? |
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| 12:16.50 | Yarcanox | hi. a program I installed needs the gthread library. I tried to find the package for it and wasn't successful. the name sounds familiar and so I think that it is going to be in one of those packages, just not in the ones I searched for. what package do I need to install to get the gthread lib? |
| 12:18.36 | cast | hmm |
| 12:18.41 | cast | how did you manage to install it? |
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| 12:19.03 | Yarcanox | how did I manage to install what? :-? |
| 12:19.09 | cast | [dpkg would fail, ./configure would fail, if what was needed wasn't there] |
| 12:19.40 | Yarcanox | hm. probably the configure script of mudmagic is just bad |
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| 12:19.54 | Yarcanox | checking for main in -lgthread-2.0... no |
| 12:19.55 | Yarcanox | gthread library NOT available |
| 12:20.03 | Yarcanox | that is the last output of the configure script |
| 12:20.32 | cast | it isn't in debian it seems |
| 12:21.31 | cast | install libglib2.0-dev perhaps |
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| 12:22.12 | Yarcanox | libglib2.0-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 12:23.38 | cast | :( |
| 12:24.48 | pras | hi to all ...i am trying to use my Biometrika fx2000 device on debian but it is not working ..please help me |
| 12:25.42 | dimsuz | can anyone help me? Whatever I try my timing problems are still unfixable :) clock is localtime, init scripts print *correct* time when turning off computer. but during normal work, time is always is 3 hours late... hints? |
| 12:25.52 | Yarcanox | just describe your problem (the error message from the installation or whatever went wrong), if someone can do something with it, then he will answer pras :) |
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| 12:27.50 | pras | Yarcanox: i have compiled driver fx2000 for 2.6.21 it installed properly but for FxReset tool it is giving error as FXOEM Open Channel: error 116 |
| 12:28.35 | Yarcanox | I have no idea about that, but I am sure someone else here has :) |
| 12:30.41 | hoxu | if your isp blocks incoming tcp/25, is there any free solution out there that allows you to still receive mail? |
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| 12:32.53 | Andrea_M | Hello, anybody could give me advice regarding video playback? |
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| 12:33.50 | hoxu | Andrea_M, too vague |
| 12:33.52 | Andrea_M | My problem: in a recent upgrade of sid full screen playback of video has gone mad: |
| 12:34.18 | Andrea_M | The video results to large and only a part of it is visible. Driver for xorg is radeon. |
| 12:35.08 | hoxu | !bts |
| 12:35.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 12:35.45 | Andrea_M | dpkg: thanks, I'll check there |
| 12:35.45 | dpkg | Andrea_M: sure thing |
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| 12:38.32 | wols | dimsuz: hwclock --show |
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| 12:40.01 | lightstep | sound in linux is very strange. alsa didn't know how to record with my sound card, so i tried oss. this crashed every program i tried to run, so i uninstalled it, and now alsa can record |
| 12:40.34 | dimsuz | wols: it shows the right time. but my panel clock and 'date' report it with +3 hours :) |
| 12:40.44 | dimsuz | (i'm GMT+3) |
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| 12:42.47 | Yarcanox | lol lightstep :D |
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| 12:43.35 | lightstep | now i'm trying to figure out how to disable microphone echo |
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| 12:43.55 | Yarcanox | lightstep try alsamix |
| 12:44.06 | Yarcanox | * alsamixer |
| 12:45.47 | lightstep | yah i just saw in some howto |
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| 12:46.25 | jabka | anyone here with cs4610/11 sound card ? |
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| 12:46.49 | cast_ | jabka: you, i guess |
| 12:46.53 | jabka | i can't find the correct alsa setting for it |
| 12:47.11 | jabka | cast_:nice , any one expect me with that card ? |
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| 12:47.52 | dimsuz | wols: i'm doing something wrong? |
| 12:48.08 | dimsuz | wols: i've UTC=no in rc |
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| 12:49.06 | wols | dimsuz: hwcloc --hctosys |
| 12:49.13 | wols | does it now show the right clock? |
| 12:49.19 | wols | system clock I mean |
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| 12:50.14 | JoeThomas | Hey, I'm trying to get my server all up and running. I want email through my home network, but I'm really not sure what the way to go is. Any suggestions, Postfix? |
| 12:50.37 | dimsuz | wols: yep. it shows the right time |
| 12:50.58 | dimsuz | i'm puzzled :) i've been adviced for this here. but it still doesn't work |
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| 12:51.40 | dimsuz | i don't know if this is related, but I also use --directisa option of hwclock to workaround for kernel bug (found this solution on bugs.debian.org) |
| 12:51.44 | dimsuz | wols: ^^^ |
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| 12:53.38 | wols | what timezone is set exactly? |
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| 12:54.33 | dimsuz | wols: Europe/Moscow. Date's output is: Sat Feb 2 18:54:15 MSK 2008. while it's 15:54 atm |
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| 12:55.03 | wols | so you add the UTC offset twice |
| 12:55.28 | dimsuz | wols: hm? how come? |
| 12:55.40 | wols | I dunno how come but it is obvious |
| 12:56.02 | dimsuz | wow. and any option to fix this? |
| 12:56.17 | wols | set the timezone to something else and see if it changes the offset you run on accordingly |
| 12:56.34 | Andrea_M | JoeThomas: well Postfix is a MTA, so it should do the job |
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| 12:57.10 | dimsuz_ | wols: e.g. GMT+0? |
| 12:57.10 | JoeThomas | Andrea_M: Alright, thanks! |
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| 12:57.25 | wols | for example |
| 12:58.09 | Andrea_M | JoeThomas: np, set it as a smart host using you provider smtp as the smart host and you should be fine |
| 12:58.37 | JoeThomas | Andrea_M: I thouhgt the smart host option was for the local computer only? |
| 12:58.45 | dimsuz_ | wols: set it. now date and hwclock show the same time. |
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| 12:58.58 | JoeThomas | Andrea_M: such as users on that computer can only send to each other, not to other servers in or out of the network. |
| 12:59.01 | Andrea_M | JoeThomas: well dipends what do u need to do... |
| 12:59.09 | wols | se your utc offsewt is applied twice for some reason |
| 12:59.38 | Andrea_M | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:59.40 | wols | JoeThomas: you thought wrongly |
| 12:59.52 | JoeThomas | Andrea_M: Alright |
| 13:00.11 | wols | many smarthosts need smtp auth to work btw |
| 13:00.11 | dimsuz_ | wols: strange. I remember having the same issue on my old machine. it had bios clock set to -3 hours - and i had correct time in linux. running lenny |
| 13:00.12 | Andrea_M | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.18 | JoeThomas | wols: :-p sorry not much experience with mail servers |
| 13:00.28 | JoeThomas | Andrea_M: okay will do |
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| 13:01.06 | wols | dimsuz_: have you had the same problem with etch? |
| 13:01.11 | Andrea_M | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.16 | dimsuz_ | wols: never tried it ;) |
| 13:01.24 | wols | then you should |
| 13:01.31 | Yarcanox | hey I just got a prob with my CPU!! http://pastebin.org/17849 |
| 13:01.44 | Yarcanox | I never experienced that on ubuntu or opensuse. but now on debian I am getting this the second time this day |
| 13:01.46 | JoeThomas | Andrea_M: Ya, I've been through a bit of a hassle to have this small feature on my home network :-p |
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| 13:02.02 | Yarcanox | and it doesn't only appear once, it suddenly starts appearing again and again for 5 minutes or something |
| 13:02.09 | Yarcanox | and everytime the computer beeps |
| 13:02.17 | dimsuz_ | wols: ok. thanks for helping! |
| 13:02.22 | Yarcanox | should I turn my computer out?? |
| 13:02.35 | Yarcanox | anyone? I don't want my PC burned! |
| 13:02.48 | Andrea_M | JoeThomas: oh well, using your provider MTA as smart host shoul do the trick fine |
| 13:03.08 | JoeThomas | Andrea_M: Alright, just threw it on my list :p |
| 13:03.10 | Yarcanox | what does this mean and what can I do against it? why does it appear? should I turn my computer out or not?? |
| 13:03.17 | wols | Yarcanox: how hot is the CPU? |
| 13:03.32 | Yarcanox | I have no idea, I put my fingers on the fan and it seemed pretty cold/normal |
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| 13:03.46 | Yarcanox | and as I said, I never got that before, first time here on debian now |
| 13:03.51 | Yarcanox | it still keeps beeping and appearing!! |
| 13:03.55 | wireddd | maybe your threshold is really low? |
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| 13:04.01 | wols | then check the temps |
| 13:04.05 | wols | and NOT on your heatsink |
| 13:04.11 | Yarcanox | how? |
| 13:04.39 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 13:04.48 | Yarcanox | yes it seems to be at least warm at the groudn of the fan |
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| 13:05.11 | Yarcanox | ok shutting down now and cleaning the fan a bit, I hope this solves the problem |
| 13:05.26 | Micha_Btz | hi, |
| 13:05.26 | Micha_Btz | has anyone a tipp to rebuild my kernel? http://pastebin.com/m63275595 |
| 13:05.26 | Micha_Btz | the strange thing is, i had build the kernel for 4 days, but i have forget an option in config. |
| 13:05.26 | Micha_Btz | sadly the rebuild faild. i have nearly all options from make-kpkg tested - nothing works |
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| 13:05.28 | dimsuz_ | btw, I just installed binary nvidia drivers with their installer and now have some artifacts in top left corner of my desktop. I know there's no support for non-debian pkgs here, but maybe someone heard smth about this? |
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| 13:06.14 | emil | wols: doesnt it sound like its not a hardware problem if he didnt get any error in other dists? with maybe differnet kernels |
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| 13:06.47 | liable | emil: my car ran great until one day it broke too |
| 13:07.04 | liable | must have been that different road that broke it |
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| 13:07.42 | emil | liable: the thing i meant was that maybe there is something in the new kernel that makes error codes? |
| 13:08.05 | liable | emil: possible, but actually unlikely if his cpu is overheating. |
| 13:08.43 | liable | emil: even if some process went mad and ran at 100% cpu, the box should still be able to cope |
| 13:09.24 | emil | liable: proberly just a coincidence that his cpu broke down when he changed kernel / dist or whatever ? :) |
| 13:09.45 | liable | emil: i imagine so |
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| 13:16.27 | Micha_Btz | noone a suggestion to http://pastebin.com/m63275595 |
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| 13:19.19 | pingouin_ | someone can remind me the name of the tool to get the keycode when you hit a key on keyboard ? |
| 13:19.33 | liable | xev |
| 13:19.45 | pingouin_ | ah yeah ! damn ! i need more ram ;) |
| 13:19.55 | pingouin_ | thanks liable |
| 13:20.17 | liable | np |
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| 13:21.18 | DustyBin | there is a problem when installing the xen kernel on etch, it doesnt write a reference in menu.lst |
| 13:21.32 | DustyBin | it says Spash image not found |
| 13:21.35 | DustyBin | Splash |
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| 13:26.31 | JoeThomas | Anyone know what "dumpkeycodes: No such device" is on boot? |
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| 13:27.05 | Erik1 | is there an install option so I can choose packages at will ? |
| 13:28.22 | liable | eh? |
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| 13:29.15 | WAndre | hi, is there any site where I can see Xorg and OpenOffice status for lenny? |
| 13:29.28 | WAndre | when will 7.3 and 2.3 enter lenny? |
| 13:30.18 | liable | once its been in unstable for a while without major breakage |
| 13:31.12 | garo | Is there a way to track in which debian package a file is ? |
| 13:31.19 | Erik1 | which kernel version will be in lenny |
| 13:31.27 | liable | garo: dpkg -L foofile |
| 13:31.28 | WAndre | garo dpkg -S file |
| 13:31.41 | WAndre | -L? |
| 13:31.47 | liable | er, yeah, -S |
| 13:31.52 | garo | -L lists the contents of the package |
| 13:32.06 | garo | but for -L and -S the package has to be installed |
| 13:32.13 | liable | Erik1: unknown until lenny freezes or gets close to freezing |
| 13:32.19 | WAndre | garo: yep |
| 13:32.30 | liable | garo: use apt-file then |
| 13:32.32 | WAndre | liable: both packages are in Sid for some month now |
| 13:32.54 | garo | never heard of it, i'll read the man, thanks ! |
| 13:32.54 | liable | WAndre: and all of their depends? |
| 13:33.35 | WAndre | liable: that's the reason I asked for a web site with more information :) |
| 13:33.42 | Erik1 | liable: just found: 2.6.22 |
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| 13:34.21 | WAndre | Erik1: that's the current kernel |
| 13:34.26 | liable | Erik1: uh, i dont think that will be the official kernel for lenny |
| 13:34.42 | WAndre | much can happen til lenny's release |
| 13:35.02 | Erik1 | Wandre: even kernel choice ? ok..... |
| 13:35.22 | wols | !tell Erik1 about lenny |
| 13:35.27 | liable | WAndre: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing (that site may help in your search) |
| 13:36.11 | wols | Erik1: as for installing stuff, run aptitude |
| 13:37.34 | Erik1 | !tell Erik1 about aptitude |
| 13:37.50 | liable | !tell Erik1 about selftell |
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| 13:38.26 | WAndre | liable: thanks, that's a good starter |
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| 13:38.49 | liable | no worries |
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| 13:41.20 | lantius | Hello, I have a problem with a conceptronic pci card usb 2.0. I have debian etch 4.0 stable and debian doesn't reconize my pci card |
| 13:41.34 | lantius | should i get some module or something? |
| 13:41.47 | valdyn | lantius: how do you know that that card is not recognised? |
| 13:42.10 | lantius | Because when i Put a mouse in a usb , which is not in that card |
| 13:42.25 | lantius | system told me an usb has been connected |
| 13:42.45 | lantius | nevertheless when i put a mouse in a usb of the card, the system doesn't tell me anything |
| 13:42.56 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 13:42.57 | dpkg | hmm... driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 13:43.08 | valdyn | lantius: use that site first, then tell us results |
| 13:43.29 | lantius | moreover I put dmesg and I only get usb1-1 and usb1-2 I think maybe , my card usb should be usb 2-x |
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| 13:44.16 | lantius | I'll try |
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| 13:46.53 | MrRoland | hey, what's the faster filesystem ? I need it for a webserver, I have raid10 and now I need to choose the FS and im interested for small files, like 32 kb up |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 13:47.10 | dpkg | hmm... filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 13:47.17 | valdyn | MrRoland: do you care about data safety? how are you doing backups? |
| 13:48.00 | valdyn | pretty sure reiser4 would be the fastest, but its not even in mainline |
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| 13:48.26 | valdyn | MrRoland: ext3 with the least conservative settings is probably ok for you |
| 13:49.11 | MrRoland | valdyn well I got backups and I also have RAID10 |
| 13:49.22 | lantius | I think my pci card is not showed in lspci, so I am going to try with another socket |
| 13:49.30 | lantius | thank ful |
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| 13:50.56 | lantius | I think It is supposed to be, at least, two pci lines in the out of lspci , isn't it? |
| 13:51.18 | lantius | excuse me |
| 13:51.22 | lantius | two usb pci lines |
| 13:51.26 | valdyn | lantius: no? |
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| 13:51.36 | valdyn | lantius: one card = one line |
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| 13:53.01 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, what's the best way to install Sid? I mean are there Sid CDs? I just want base + GNOME desktop. |
| 13:53.14 | valdyn | ArtVandalae: use the stable installer |
| 13:53.18 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: if you don't know .. please don't use sid |
| 13:53.21 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 13:53.21 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 13:54.37 | hoxu | abrotman, everyone has to learn it at some point... it's inevitable, MWAHAHAHAHA |
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| 13:54.45 | abrotman | hoxu: no .. they don't |
| 13:55.20 | valdyn | maybe they dont want to do anything useful with debian. |
| 13:55.23 | MrRoland | can I migrate from ext3 to ReiserFS without format ? |
| 13:55.30 | valdyn | MrRoland: no. |
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| 13:56.32 | ArtVandalae | I think I should be okay using Sid. I'm very comfortable with computers and linux, and unless "Sid" applications DESTROY data (which I find highly unlikely), then I can always gain access to my hdd using a LiveCD, and then just transfer my contents to the NAS |
| 13:56.57 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: that's quite possible |
| 13:57.16 | ArtVandalae | destroying data? |
| 13:57.31 | not-thinkinG | ArtVandalae: if you want to give a try, then go ahead |
| 13:57.34 | abrotman | uhm .. they released a kernel.org kernel that lost data |
| 13:57.43 | Batchy | yes |
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| 13:57.53 | abrotman | not-thinkinG: sre you going to be his support? |
| 13:58.37 | not-thinkinG | im just saying because all the warnings have been made abrotman |
| 13:58.51 | abrotman | not all of them |
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| 14:00.17 | asg | abrotman: don't forget the post-install script that did a rm -Rf / |
| 14:00.26 | abrotman | oh .. that was a good one! |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | and the pam borkage |
| 14:00.46 | ArtVandalae | ... are you guys serious? who the hell would put that into a script? |
| 14:01.09 | ArtVandalae | I don't think you'd even have the proper priviledges, anyway |
| 14:01.09 | asg | ArtVandalae: someone who was tired, someone who had had a few too many pints. It happens, that's why it's unstable. |
| 14:01.21 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: the guy forgot to ensure an envvar was set or something .. don't recall the specifics |
| 14:01.31 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: you install packages as root .. what other access would you like? |
| 14:01.33 | hoxu | heh, when did that happen? :p |
| 14:01.39 | pras | abrotman:i am getting error for initialization of devicei.e #FxReset -p 0 biometrika fx2000 as FXOEM Open Channel: error 116 |
| 14:01.41 | abrotman | hoxu: two years ago maybe? |
| 14:02.02 | hoxu | abrotman, around the time libstdc++ was broken? Or was that longer time ago? :p |
| 14:02.06 | abrotman | pras: no idea .. ask the kernel people ? |
| 14:02.17 | abrotman | hoxu: let me see if i can find it |
| 14:02.46 | lantius | My pci card usb is not showed in lspci. I have probe with 2 sockets which I know they are fine |
| 14:02.58 | hoxu | lantius, update-pciids |
| 14:03.05 | pras | abortman : i am new to Xchat can you tell me anyone who is online from kernel side? |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | pras: /join ##kernel |
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| 14:05.00 | abrotman | hoxu: google sucks |
| 14:05.44 | hoxu | abrotman, feel free to write a patch and mail it... oh right |
| 14:06.08 | ArtVandalae | you guys are so cynical. Maybe consider starting your own search engines, or try Wikia? |
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| 14:07.39 | abrotman | ArtVandalae: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=271829 |
| 14:07.43 | abrotman | hoxu: ^^ |
| 14:07.48 | abrotman | asg: was that the one ? |
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| 14:08.21 | asg | abrotman: sounds similar |
| 14:08.32 | ArtVandalae | haha, and mounted drives, damn that's gotta suck |
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| 14:09.36 | hoxu | hey, at least it didn't dd the disk with /dev/zero :p |
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| 14:09.52 | ArtVandalae | haha, ext3 sucks at data recovery though |
| 14:10.14 | asg | !qotd126 |
| 14:10.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 14:10.20 | abrotman | as do most journaled FS |
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| 14:12.13 | ArtVandalae | Backups... that reminds me of the time I was getting ready for format my machine. So I was deleting/backing up files. (deleting so I could visualise what I still had to backup). Anyway, in GNOME I shift+del (perm delete)... and I didn't see that my "Backup" folder was selected. |
| 14:12.21 | ArtVandalae | It was that same time that I realised ext3 sucks at data recovery :P |
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| 14:13.18 | wols | lantius: if it really doesn't show in lspci the card does not work |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | or it's not pci |
| 14:14.02 | wols | kinda hard with a usb host pci card |
| 14:14.22 | lantius | hoxu I did what you said. update-pciids . It downloaded a file and I reboot my computer but after that my usb pci card is not showed yet in the out of lspci |
| 14:14.46 | wols | lantius: pastebin the output |
| 14:15.05 | lantius | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 02) |
| 14:15.05 | lantius | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 02) |
| 14:15.05 | lantius | 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) |
| 14:15.05 | lantius | 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) |
| 14:15.05 | lantius | 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) |
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| 14:15.21 | abrotman | as in .. pastebin |
| 14:15.22 | lantius | sorry |
| 14:15.30 | lantius | Yeah I was quite stupid |
| 14:16.12 | lantius | http://pastebin.com/d587ae2d7 |
| 14:16.34 | wols | you don't have a PCI usb card |
| 14:16.46 | lantius | I have it connected. |
| 14:16.54 | lantius | BUt I think it doesn't work |
| 14:16.56 | wols | you are mistaken |
| 14:17.00 | abrotman | lantius: did you try another slot ? |
| 14:17.05 | lantius | yeh |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | lantius: some of those older boards shared interrupts for slots .. you might have to try them all |
| 14:17.26 | abrotman | also try the card in anothe rmachine .. make sure it works |
| 14:17.28 | lantius | in fact, pci card usb is the socket where vga was |
| 14:17.29 | wols | if a (working) PCI card exists, it would show up in lspci |
| 14:17.40 | lantius | ok |
| 14:17.49 | wols | abrotman: all PCI boards share IRQs |
| 14:17.50 | lantius | I'll try in another machine with other slots |
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| 14:17.56 | lantius | thank you all |
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| 14:17.59 | Daniil0 | http://world3.monstersgame.fr/?ac=vid&vid=108014140 |
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| 14:18.02 | lantius | You are very helpful |
| 14:18.41 | abrotman | wols: yes .. but some of the old boards did it in a very bad way |
| 14:18.41 | wols | in fact, newer ones share more (more devices per IRQ) since they have more devices to begin with |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | wols: i had a PIII board that had to put the sound in a certain slot or else it wouldn't work because the LAN was in use or some stupid shit |
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| 14:19.05 | wols | Via? |
| 14:19.23 | abrotman | intel |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | i thnk anyways .. i don't have the box anymore |
| 14:19.51 | abrotman | it was also an SMP serverboard |
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| 14:30.30 | sikrio | pufff q gente... buenas me quiero descargar debian lenny pero veo que son 4 dvds y vi q un colega lo tiene en uno solo de donde me descargo ese q es uno solo :S |
| 14:31.03 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:31.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | sikrio: or speak english please |
| 14:33.05 | sikrio | mmm ok... i like download debian... but is 4 dvds buy i have a friend with 1 dvd of debian.. from wher downlad i cd?... sorry mi english is very bad |
| 14:34.01 | hoxu | !d-i |
| 14:34.01 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
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| 14:38.54 | ryx | Is there a PAE-enabled kernel somewhere? |
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| 14:40.05 | rocketmagnet | hi |
| 14:40.19 | rocketmagnet | can someone help me killing my sendmail installation ? |
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| 14:40.37 | rocketmagnet | when i try "apt-get remove sendmail" i allways get "not installed so is not deleted" =( |
| 14:40.48 | rocketmagnet | but any time i startup he tries to configurate sendmail |
| 14:41.00 | rocketmagnet | s/any/every/ |
| 14:41.49 | rocketmagnet | is there another way i can remove it from the startup ? |
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| 14:43.16 | ryx | well, if no one answers, I'd try to reinstall it and then remove it in such a situation. |
| 14:43.27 | ryx | but I'm rather clueless in such matters |
| 14:44.00 | JoeThomas | Can you change the type of font for TTY? |
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| 14:44.21 | rocketmagnet | that's not working in that case, apt-get tells me sendmail is not installed = |
| 14:44.22 | rocketmagnet | ( |
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| 14:47.55 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 14:49.32 | lightstep | hello |
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| 14:52.02 | TrueDD | hello lightstep |
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| 14:57.21 | oz__ | hi there .. ihave a problem.. itry to compile kernel-2.6.24, after the menuconfig, i try make-pkg, installaion stop ith this msg:"Failed to create a ./debian "... what the pb please? |
| 14:57.33 | oz__ | (and sory for my bad english) |
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| 14:58.39 | oz__ | i start de make-pkg with fakeroot... do i have to create the ./Debian logged in root before? |
| 14:58.47 | oz__ | -de +the |
| 14:58.53 | simonrvn | no |
| 14:58.59 | oz__ | ok |
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| 14:59.14 | oz__ | so what's the solution ? |
| 15:00.47 | Erik1 | how do I install the kernel sources/headers for my etchR2 installation ? |
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| 15:00.59 | enouf | wtf? |
| 15:01.07 | S4nD3r | I created .DEB files from vmware source (tar.gz). But when tried to install with dpkg, came some errors... vmware-player depends on vmware-common; however: Package vmware-common is not configured yet |
| 15:01.10 | simonrvn | fakeroot make-kpkg --foo --bar some_target (as shown in make-kpkg --targets) should create it |
| 15:01.21 | S4nD3r | I dont know where to find this vmware-common |
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| 15:02.16 | Administrator | ๆๆฒกๆไผไธญๆ็ใ๏ผ |
| 15:02.19 | simonrvn | Erik1: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:02.29 | simonrvn | S4nD3r: not in debian |
| 15:02.39 | DawnLight | !work |
| 15:02.39 | dpkg | i heard work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 15:02.47 | biz | Administrator: looks interesting, whatever it means |
| 15:02.47 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/48270 Here is my output of dpkg -i |
| 15:02.53 | simonrvn | Administrator: a) english please b) don't irc as root or Administrator |
| 15:03.28 | Administrator | sorry... |
| 15:03.35 | S4nD3r | vmware source cannot be installed in lenny (told me yesterday here ) |
| 15:04.16 | simonrvn | Administrator: it's ok, just that most people here don't understand it |
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| 15:04.44 | winther | hi |
| 15:05.12 | winther | is it possible / wise to use ZFS as root file system on debian? |
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| 15:05.42 | simonrvn | i wouldn't no, it's still development code |
| 15:06.21 | Erik1 | simonrvn: prog says that kernel.h does not exist....while it IS there... |
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| 15:07.25 | winther | simonrvn: If I wanted some cool features of ZFS, for example "partitions" that use many hard drives, or dynamic shrinking, would LVM a good choice? |
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| 15:08.53 | jelly-ho | winther: you could use Nexenta if you really wanted zfs. |
| 15:08.57 | simonrvn | Erik1: might be needing the linux-libc-dev (linux-kernel-headers in etch) |
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| 15:09.30 | jelly-ho | GNU/Solaris. |
| 15:09.33 | leoechevarria | hello everybody |
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| 15:09.39 | Cripps | I'm doing a google search to find a re4po for testing that contains the ardour package, but have (as yet) not been able to find one. Does anybody know of a good repo for testing that contains audio processing software? |
| 15:09.47 | winther | jelly-ho: thanks for the tip, but I want to stick with debian for our server. Never failed me :) |
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| 15:10.24 | leoechevarria | i was wondering if you can help me with a little problem in my debian lenny |
| 15:10.35 | leoechevarria | i didn't find anything helpful on the web |
| 15:10.40 | simonrvn | winther: ext3+lvm probably closest |
| 15:10.54 | jelly-ho | !tell leoechevarria -about ask |
| 15:11.26 | winther | simonrvn: thank you. I will give it a try. |
| 15:11.30 | leoechevarria | great, thank you |
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| 15:12.34 | leoechevarria | i got a problem (if this is a problem) with my usb disks, when i used debian etch, each time i plugged my pendrive an icon in the desktop appear and it let me mount the partition and explore it |
| 15:12.53 | simonrvn | that's not a problem... |
| 15:13.07 | leoechevarria | since i've upgraded to lenny, the drives aren't shown in the desktop each time i plugged them |
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| 15:13.37 | leoechevarria | (sorry about my English, i'm Argentinian :p) |
| 15:14.02 | leoechevarria | i'm using gnome 2.20.3 |
| 15:14.07 | leoechevarria | if that helps |
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| 15:14.47 | leoechevarria | i just want to get the "drives" in the desktop, i haven't found a way to do it again |
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| 15:15.42 | simonrvn | check your settings for auto-mounting stuff like that (system > preferences > removable drives and media) |
| 15:16.23 | Cripps | damnit .... how do I import a repository's public key? |
| 15:16.34 | Cripps | apt-key uypdate didn't do it for me. |
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| 15:16.38 | streuner_ | Cripps: /topic? |
| 15:17.10 | streuner_ | otherwise just look at there website |
| 15:17.48 | mlfib | i'm setting up a mail server and get "*** TLS not available: requires Net::SSLeay. Exiting" from afar. it works fine if i test it locally. what am i missing? |
| 15:17.59 | leoechevarria | i've looked at that, the 3 first "..." are ticked |
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| 15:18.17 | jelly-ho | mlfib: you're missing Net::SSLeay? |
| 15:18.47 | jelly-ho | !find /Net/SSLeay.pm |
| 15:18.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/Net/SSLeay.pm' (1): (/usr/lib/perl5/Net/SSLeay.pm) in perl/libnet-ssleay-perl. |
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| 15:19.12 | mlfib | jelly-ho :) yea, aww. bad question maybe. or err that means on the remote computer.. haha |
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| 15:19.48 | leoechevarria | simonrvn, as that options show, the drives should be mounted when i plug them |
| 15:19.53 | leoechevarria | but nothing like that happens |
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| 15:20.30 | lantius | Hello again, I have probe all my pci slots, moreover I probe my two pci card usb in another computer, both work very well. Nevertheless vga card works well in the same slot where pci usb card does not work |
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| 15:20.56 | Cripps | streuner, well, one of the factoids referred to by "no public key" had an answer, but the website of the repo I'm adding didn't. I'm not so daft as to ask for help when it's right in front of my face. |
| 15:20.59 | simonrvn | leoechevarria: i just noticed it doesn't work as expected here either |
| 15:21.08 | lantius | and In the computer with debian, pci card is not detected, it is not showed |
| 15:21.14 | leoechevarria | are you using lenny simonrvn ? |
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| 15:21.29 | simonrvn | leoechevarria: check the bts (bugs.debian.org) for nautilus |
| 15:21.32 | simonrvn | no\ |
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| 15:22.04 | leoechevarria | ok |
| 15:23.06 | abrotman | lantius: have you asked #hardware .. i really don't think it's an OS issue |
| 15:23.18 | lantius | Yeah, now I agree |
| 15:23.20 | lantius | sorry |
| 15:23.38 | yang_ | I have a simple question regarding iptables - http://openpaste.org/en/4931/ |
| 15:24.37 | hoxu | yang_, what is the question? |
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| 15:24.51 | yang_ | the question is why i cannot reach the phone |
| 15:25.10 | kunsi | can someone help me setting up a valic chanfile for blootbot? |
| 15:25.14 | kunsi | valid* |
| 15:26.33 | asg | yang_: have you consulted #iptables? |
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| 15:26.46 | yang_ | yeah trying to get some help there too |
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| 15:32.41 | leoechevarria | well, it's not hard to make a simple "mount /dev/xxxx", at least i have the drives listed in my fstab |
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| 15:37.29 | MrRoland | debian 4 on... 3 dvds??! |
| 15:37.55 | hoxu | MrRoland, you don't need them all, just the net-installer if you have internet connection when installing |
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| 15:38.53 | S4nD3r | is it anyway to import virtualbox machine to vmware?? |
| 15:38.57 | MrRoland | no virtualization on debian ? |
| 15:39.19 | asg | MrRoland: ? |
| 15:39.35 | MrRoland | xen virtualization |
| 15:39.55 | asg | MrRoland: xen, qemu, openvz, vmware ... take your pick |
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| 15:40.01 | diamond | Hi. |
| 15:40.14 | asg | MrRoland: Debian 4 (etch) has xen kernels |
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| 15:40.34 | S4nD3r | i have a virtual machine on vbox, but i would not like to lost this one |
| 15:40.34 | diamond | i got a problem i can't control my control center anymore when i try to access network configuration it hangs |
| 15:40.45 | JoeThomas | Hi, can I change the color of the output from a shell script? |
| 15:40.47 | leoechevarria | well everybody, thanks for your help |
| 15:40.51 | leoechevarria | see you another time |
| 15:41.07 | diamond | i can't access the net only by ip. |
| 15:41.15 | diamond | anyone knows how i can fix it ? |
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| 15:41.23 | abrotman | JoeThomas: ask #bash |
| 15:41.31 | JoeThomas | abrotman: alright thanks |
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| 15:41.48 | diamond | i think there is something wrong with my dns configuration but don't know how to fix it in terminal anyone knows direction where i can config that ? |
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| 15:41.57 | asg | diamond: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:42.04 | diamond | ok. |
| 15:44.34 | Erik1 | on my system, uname -r says 2.6.18-5-k7 . Now 'aptitude install linux-source-`uname -r` says it can find the package... why ? |
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| 15:45.21 | Erik1 | sorry: must be 'cannot' |
| 15:45.21 | shamrock | I have a question about firestarter. I was told it was only a UI to the built in iptables rules which act as a firewall. Is this right ot wrong? |
| 15:45.51 | xand | shamrock: apt-cache show firestarter |
| 15:46.05 | shamrock | xand? |
| 15:46.13 | xand | run that command. |
| 15:46.50 | SpeedyG | Erik1: do you try to install linux-source-2.6.18-5-k7 ? you should just install linux-source-2.6.18 |
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| 15:46.57 | hoxu | shamrock, correct |
| 15:47.07 | abrotman | Erik1: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 15:47.09 | Erik1 | Speedy ok |
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| 15:47.34 | shamrock | I am asking here from someone experienced. It says pretty much its a gui. It doesnt answer my question. Another way : if I install firestarter, does it do anything to iptables if I dont tinker with it? |
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| 15:49.08 | Erik1 | abrotman : what is this with 2.6-k7...I see 2.6.18-5-k7 |
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| 15:49.40 | shamrock | The reason I ask is that I installed it and added a rule to allow all ports to be open for host 192.168.0.101 but all previously open ports were then locked out. Would that be correct? |
| 15:49.42 | Erik1 | SpeedyG: and what about the headers ??? |
| 15:50.05 | abrotman | Erik1: your kernel is out of date |
| 15:50.10 | abrotman | Erik1: why are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 15:50.47 | yzaLyzarC | How can I chech |
| 15:50.50 | Erik1 | abrotman: I must add nvidia stuff and that needs to build kernel modiles. I use etchR2 dvd's |
| 15:50.56 | yzaLyzarC | check what kernel it is? |
| 15:50.58 | abrotman | Erik1: no you don't |
| 15:51.05 | abrotman | !tell Erik1 about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:51.10 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: uname -a |
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| 15:51.55 | yzaLyzarC | Linux Debian-Box 2.6.18-5-k7 #1 SMP Sat Dec 1 23:28:28 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux, is that a bad kernel? |
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| 15:52.11 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 15:52.15 | JordiGH | X fonts are way too big. I thought that setting monitor geometry in xorg.conf would help, but they're still huge. Further ideas? |
| 15:52.37 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: Is it old? |
| 15:52.42 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 15:52.52 | yzaLyzarC | Why? |
| 15:53.06 | abrotman | then why did you ask? |
| 15:53.18 | yzaLyzarC | I want to know is it bad, is it old? |
| 15:53.35 | abrotman | and i told you what to do |
| 15:53.44 | yzaLyzarC | And is 2.6-k7 the newest one? |
| 15:54.03 | yzaLyzarC | Is it stable? |
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| 15:54.53 | yzaLyzarC | What do you think I w ant to do? |
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| 15:55.31 | theatro | apart from annoy us? |
| 15:56.14 | yzaLyzarC | I dont know what you think I want to acomplish. |
| 15:56.38 | theatro | maybe you can tell us? |
| 15:56.48 | SpeedyG | yzaLyzarC: we don't know what you're trying to accomplish, so please tell |
| 15:56.49 | biz | JordiGH: whats your resolution h x w? whats your monitor size in mm? whats the output of 'xdpyinfo | grep resolution:'? |
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| 15:57.00 | yzaLyzarC | I want |
| 15:57.10 | yzaLyzarC | I want to know if it is old. |
| 15:57.29 | SpeedyG | yzaLyzarC: 2.6-k7 will install the most recent kernel |
| 15:57.29 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: i told you what to do |
| 15:57.33 | SpeedyG | in stable |
| 15:57.46 | JordiGH | biz: 1440 x 900. Monitor size is about 310 x 210 mm. 121x120 |
| 15:58.09 | yzaLyzarC | Will I have to restart? |
| 15:58.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:58.52 | Erik1 | abrotman: that oneline cant find pack nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 .... |
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| 15:59.10 | abrotman | Erik1: do you have contrib and non-free sources? |
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| 15:59.19 | Erik1 | plain DVDD |
| 15:59.38 | yzaLyzarC | Does it automagicaly restart? |
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| 15:59.53 | abrotman | Erik1: in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. add "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" |
| 15:59.55 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: no |
| 16:00.06 | Erik1 | ok |
| 16:00.33 | JordiGH | If I want smaller fonts, do I want a lower or a higher dpi? |
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| 16:00.53 | biz | JordiGH: your resolution should be in the near of 117.99 x 108.86 |
| 16:01.18 | JordiGH | biz: So how do I change it? |
| 16:01.46 | biz | JordiGH: the best way is to let xorg do this calculation and use the nearest usable value |
| 16:02.11 | JordiGH | Well, xorg is getting it wrong. :-) |
| 16:02.21 | JordiGH | I'm losing a lot of desktop real estate here. |
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| 16:02.55 | kqrdeb | hey i |
| 16:03.13 | yzaLyzarC | Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/source, bad? |
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| 16:03.21 | abrotman | no |
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| 16:05.01 | yzaLyzarC | It came a few errors... |
| 16:05.01 | kqrdeb | hey i've installed madwifi, and want to connect to a ssid using wpa... when I try to compile the wpa_supplicant i get the error http://pastebin.com/m5af687e1 |
| 16:05.01 | biz | JordiGH: try to let xorg get this directly via EDID instead of defining it manually first |
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| 16:06.05 | biz | JordiGH: check the documentation of your display driver, are you using proprietary nvidia? |
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| 16:07.05 | rocketmagnet | hi |
| 16:07.14 | Fleck | hey, have strange thing with amarok - when i play shoutcast - i can listen to one, when i change station or even, mirror - amarok hangs, well becomes really slow and doesn't play anything... |
| 16:07.33 | Fleck | it's so in debian only debian |
| 16:07.44 | yzaLyzarC | Fleck: Use vnc/vlx |
| 16:07.45 | rocketmagnet | i got a new computer and want my old one be setup as firewall so i don't need any norton stuff on my new maschine |
| 16:07.48 | yzaLyzarC | vlc |
| 16:07.55 | Fleck | yzaLyzarC ? |
| 16:07.55 | rocketmagnet | can someone point me to a good tutorials maybe ? |
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| 16:08.10 | simonrvn | norton, in linux? wtf |
| 16:08.14 | biz | rocketmagnet: shorewall.net |
| 16:08.21 | Fleck | yzaLyzarC i did not ask - what to use! |
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| 16:08.57 | abrotman | Fleck: checked the BTS ? |
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| 16:09.10 | rocketmagnet | biz: no, i mean i don't want to have norton on my new one (i wait with installing debian until my hardware gets supported without custom kernel stuff) so i use putty to use linux on the old one, and to have a firewall |
| 16:09.20 | Fleck | abrotman BtS? nope what's that? |
| 16:09.23 | abrotman | !bts |
| 16:09.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 16:10.35 | biz | rocketmagnet: yes, visit shorewall.net, read the example setups, install the debian packages, read the debian specific stuff in /usr/doc/shorewall* and get rid of norton |
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| 16:10.52 | biz | rocketmagnet: err, /usr/share/doc/shorewall* |
| 16:10.55 | JordiGH | biz: I'm sorry, you were saying? |
| 16:10.59 | abrotman | !tell rocketmagnet about iptables |
| 16:11.02 | abrotman | !tell rocketmagnet about lartc |
| 16:11.22 | biz | JordiGH: nvidia? |
| 16:11.28 | JordiGH | biz: No, Intel. |
| 16:11.35 | JordiGH | Diediedie nvidia! |
| 16:11.58 | amphi | heh |
| 16:12.09 | amphi | death to t3h bl0bs |
| 16:12.19 | ArtVandalae | it's getting there... |
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| 16:12.25 | kqrdeb | hey i've installed madwifi, and want to connect to a ssid using wpa... when I try to compile the wpa_supplicant i get the error http://pastebin.com/m5af687e1 |
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| 16:12.42 | dazjorz | Hi |
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| 16:12.54 | porkpie | hi guy's do i need to install logrotate to rotate log files ?? |
| 16:12.55 | ArtVandalae | Nvidia needs to break... either that, or that reverse-engineering project |
| 16:12.58 | dazjorz | It seems like the libneon26-dev file is missing a file |
| 16:13.04 | asg | porkpie: it's installed by default |
| 16:13.08 | dazjorz | to be exactly, /usr/lib/libneon.la |
| 16:13.15 | porkpie | asg:hmm! |
| 16:13.19 | dazjorz | libneon25-dev has it, and libneon26-dev doesn't, and Subversion requires it |
| 16:13.29 | JordiGH | amphi: A blob draws near! Command? |
| 16:13.31 | porkpie | asg:my logs are not rotating |
| 16:13.37 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: ty !! |
| 16:13.53 | biz | JordiGH: read the driver docs for intel, I've no experience with Intel graphics |
| 16:13.55 | amphi | JordiGH: crush it without mercy |
| 16:13.55 | asg | porkpie: well, at least verify that it is installed (dpkg -l | grep logrotate) |
| 16:13.55 | xand | dazjorz: well....... report a bug |
| 16:14.02 | porkpie | asg:I need to rotate the syslog it's getting to big |
| 16:14.49 | dazjorz | xand: where do I do that exactly? |
| 16:14.49 | biz | porkpie: logrotate? |
| 16:14.49 | xand | !bts |
| 16:14.49 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 16:14.49 | JordiGH | amphi attacks! The blob's hits reduce by 143. The blob attacks! Miss! amphi eludes nimbly. Command? |
| 16:14.49 | dazjorz | okay :) |
| 16:14.49 | dazjorz | oh |
| 16:14.49 | dazjorz | I have Etch :/ |
| 16:14.49 | asg | porkpie: if it is installed, make sure your cron daemon is running since that is what starts the job. Also check your logs to verify that the logrotate job is running. |
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| 16:15.01 | xand | dazjorz: so? |
| 16:15.11 | xand | dazjorz: well that means it'll never be fixed in etch :P |
| 16:15.13 | dazjorz | xand: "Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS" |
| 16:15.16 | porkpie | asg:it wasn't installed |
| 16:15.18 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: so i should install "debian sarge 3.1 vanilla 2.6.12.4" ? |
| 16:15.22 | porkpie | installed now |
| 16:15.25 | dazjorz | xand: there's no way to get the .la file, too, I'm afraid? |
| 16:15.39 | asg | porkpie: then you probably did a very minimal install. Either way, that should fix things. |
| 16:15.54 | porkpie | asg:yeah it's very light |
| 16:15.58 | rocketmagnet | when i lenny going to get stable ? |
| 16:16.02 | JordiGH | biz: Okay, thanks for your help! :-) |
| 16:16.03 | rocketmagnet | is |
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| 16:16.17 | xand | dazjorz: assuming it's meant to be there, get it from whoever makes libneon? |
| 16:16.21 | asg | rocketmagnet: end of the year if the prognosticators are to be believed |
| 16:16.26 | pumpkin0 | rocketmagnet: when it is ready (years) |
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| 16:16.38 | rocketmagnet | bam |
| 16:16.41 | rocketmagnet | that hurts |
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| 16:16.47 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 16:16.47 | dazjorz | Maintainer: Laszlo Boszormenyi (GCS) <gcs@debian.hu> |
| 16:16.51 | pumpkin0 | rocketmagnet: get etch and backports. |
| 16:16.53 | cizzi | is there a way to do something like "find / o+w"? i'm trying to find all files on my system that are writtable by everyone |
| 16:16.54 | dazjorz | I'll send him an e-mail, xand :) |
| 16:17.06 | asg | cizzi: the -perms option to find |
| 16:17.13 | cizzi | asg thanks! |
| 16:17.13 | asg | cizzi: info find (for the skinny) |
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| 16:17.36 | rocketmagnet | pumpkin0: there is no etch for my hardware, i've used a backported kernel to support my hardware, but this made much troubles |
| 16:18.07 | asg | xand: that's not entirely true, non-security bugfixes are applied to packages in etch for new releases (i.e., broken rdesktop in r0 was fixed in r1) |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: huh ? |
| 16:20.05 | dazjorz | ...sent :) |
| 16:20.08 | rocketmagnet | i had to also install the nvidia driver and that mixed up packages with lenny/sid |
| 16:20.15 | JordiGH | Is someone questioning the universal operating system's universality? |
| 16:20.47 | rocketmagnet | because the nvidia thing need compiling with the kernel headers of current kernel, (and the tools to compile it) |
| 16:21.02 | rocketmagnet | so the system get somehow mixed |
| 16:22.05 | pumpkin0 | rocketmagnet: i run etch with 2.6.22 from lenny and nvidia drivers. no problems caused by mixing.... |
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| 16:22.40 | rocketmagnet | pumpkin0: then i must have made a mistake |
| 16:22.56 | rocketmagnet | where do you got your image from ? and where the kernel sources included ? |
| 16:23.04 | JordiGH | Oh, crap. |
| 16:23.06 | JordiGH | I know what's wrong. |
| 16:23.14 | JordiGH | I was specifying monitor size in cm, not mm. |
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| 16:23.41 | rocketmagnet | pumpkin0: are you using custom isos or compiled it yourself ? |
| 16:24.06 | JordiGH | brb |
| 16:24.22 | martian67 | how to i use apt to get rid of configs when uninstalling apps? |
| 16:24.58 | biz | martian67: --purge |
| 16:25.05 | pumpkin0 | rocketmagnet: i got the kernel from the HP (cause the network-chip was the problem and a USB-stick was the only way). the headers are from the lenny-repos. the gfx-driver is from Nvidia.com. netinstall-iso, no special tricks. |
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| 16:26.12 | JordiGH | Nope, fonts still haven't changed one whit. |
| 16:26.50 | incramerk | hello: I've tried to download the first debian dvd and always download. when I Insert in my Dvd Unity the proccess beging and later say "some package may be corruct" |
| 16:27.00 | incramerk | is that normal |
| 16:27.08 | rocketmagnet | pumpkin0: how do you installed the kernel-sources ? because my install prog from nvidia told me that there are a few programms that are not installed, so i installed them, and i added the lenny repo to the sources.list to fetch only the kernel-sources, but then i think i have forgotten to remove the lenny repo and did an upgrade :( |
| 16:27.19 | incramerk | I'm using debian sarge |
| 16:27.54 | abrotman | sarge? |
| 16:28.00 | incramerk | yeah |
| 16:28.02 | pumpkin0 | rocketmagnet: OK, that is bad. Now you run lenny and downgrading is very tricky. |
| 16:28.07 | abrotman | incramerk: you should be installing etch |
| 16:28.16 | incramerk | ok |
| 16:28.18 | pumpkin0 | rocketmagnet: you don't need the sources. You only need the headers. |
| 16:28.25 | incramerk | I've tried |
| 16:28.25 | abrotman | incramerk: and if you have broadband .. use the netinst |
| 16:28.53 | incramerk | but always the download do not let me |
| 16:28.58 | rocketmagnet | pumpkin0: shit... so i have to do a complete reinstall =( |
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| 16:29.25 | incramerk | my conection internet have almost 512 kbps |
| 16:29.40 | pumpkin0 | rocketmagnet: if you want etch: yes. |
| 16:29.45 | incramerk | I've proved form many server mirrors |
| 16:29.53 | yzaLyzarC | Where can I download Tux-Shop? |
| 16:30.01 | abrotman | incramerk: what is your network card? |
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| 16:30.04 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: ask them |
| 16:30.09 | yzaLyzarC | !tell yzaLyzarC about tux-shop |
| 16:30.20 | abrotman | !tell yzaLyzarC about selftell |
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| 16:30.56 | incramerk | let me see |
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| 16:32.46 | JordiGH | yzaLyzarC: POS/accounting software? |
| 16:32.55 | incramerk | ok is a netgear ga311 pci |
| 16:33.27 | yzaLyzarC | Yes, like the ones you have in the cash maschine on a sho... |
| 16:33.48 | JordiGH | yzaLyzarC: Neat. Doesn't seem to be packaged for Debian, though. |
| 16:34.02 | incramerk | ok |
| 16:34.08 | incramerk | and? |
| 16:34.13 | yzaLyzarC | Is there any other software like this for debian= |
| 16:34.14 | yzaLyzarC | ? |
| 16:34.28 | incramerk | right |
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| 16:34.45 | abrotman | !tell yzaLyzarC about search |
| 16:34.52 | abrotman | incramerk: gigabit card? |
| 16:35.19 | JordiGH | Hm... |
| 16:35.22 | JordiGH | !info facturalux |
| 16:35.30 | incramerk | should I let out my debian Op? |
| 16:35.51 | dpkg | facturalux: (ERP/CRM software for GNU/Linux), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.4-13 (sid), Packaged size: 800 kB, Installed size: 2936 kB |
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| 16:35.56 | abrotman | !tell incramerk about kmuto |
| 16:36.03 | abrotman | erp/crm is not POS |
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| 16:36.18 | JordiGH | I was just guessing. |
| 16:36.26 | craigevil | yzaLyzarC: http://shcircuit.com/~ross/TuxShop-2.2-i386.deb |
| 16:36.37 | abrotman | it's not even free |
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| 16:37.07 | Trollinator | how can I pass options to the configure script with apt-build? |
| 16:37.18 | incramerk | I have apple Mac book pro and it's work! |
| 16:37.24 | incramerk | I can't understand |
| 16:37.38 | abrotman | Trollinator: change the rules file |
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| 16:37.42 | JordiGH | abrotman: It's not? It says it's GPL. |
| 16:37.49 | Trollinator | abrotman: where is that file? |
| 16:37.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: read the website |
| 16:37.50 | kqrdeb | how do i install the headers? |
| 16:37.58 | JordiGH | abrotman: Which website? |
| 16:38.03 | abrotman | Trollinator: in the debian/ directory |
| 16:38.07 | abrotman | JordiGH: the company that makes it |
| 16:38.09 | yzaLyzarC | It is payd software. I hate using money. |
| 16:38.13 | abrotman | kqrdeb: headers for what? |
| 16:38.23 | Trollinator | abrotman: thanks a lot. |
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| 16:38.32 | kqrdeb | abrotman: the kernel headers :P |
| 16:38.56 | abrotman | kqrdeb: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 16:39.37 | yzaLyzarC | I got no idea what to search for... |
| 16:39.38 | JordiGH | These guys say it's GPL: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Office/Finance/TuxShop-2173.shtml |
| 16:39.42 | kqrdeb | abrotman: that gives me quite a lot of output :P |
| 16:39.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: read it carefully |
| 16:39.54 | delsvr | is there an official way to install debian on a fresh machine with kernel 2.6.23+ (without custom images)? |
| 16:40.24 | abrotman | delsvr: uh .. etch uses 2.6.18 and lenny 2.6.22 |
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| 16:40.24 | delsvr | *debian etch |
| 16:40.29 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 16:40.29 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:40.31 | abrotman | that's all you got |
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| 16:42.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's free .. but not DFSG free i guess |
| 16:42.20 | delsvr | abrotman, hmm, do you know offhand if 2.6.22 is enough to support some of the new intel IP35, ICH9 SATA hardware? |
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| 16:42.45 | JordiGH | abrotman: Well, says it's gratis, but you're encouraged to make donations. |
| 16:42.50 | abrotman | delsvr: uh .. i think it is .. but the kmuto has quite a few versions |
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| 16:43.09 | abrotman | JordiGH: http://www.shcircuit.com/~ross/view.php/page/tuxabout .. at the bottom |
| 16:43.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm wondering why the other site says it's on the GPL. People often make mistakes about that. |
| 16:43.46 | abrotman | JordiGH: TBH .. i don't really care enough .. |
| 16:44.30 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: you do realize commercial software can be GPLed? |
| 16:44.34 | abrotman | JordiGH: freshmeat.net .. search for POS |
| 16:44.38 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: Of course I do. |
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| 16:45.59 | delsvr | abrotman, yeah I know and I have them ready on disc but I was wondering if I could get this going with official builds... although I'm not quite sure why anymore |
| 16:46.01 | kqrdeb | when i try to compile wpa_supplicant i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m64ae27c4 a friend tells me it depends on missing headers, but what headers? |
| 16:46.19 | xuser | when i want to reply to a lists, to what should i reply to? |
| 16:46.27 | jelly-ho | kqrdeb: what's wrong with wpa_supplicant in debian? |
| 16:46.29 | abrotman | delsvr: have you tried to see if your ICH9 has a legacy mode or anything ? |
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| 16:47.06 | delsvr | abrotman, yeah, it doesn't |
| 16:47.10 | kqrdeb | jelly-ho: maybe nothing, but that one did produce an error as well when run |
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| 16:47.24 | delsvr | abrotman, it can run in IDE mode but that's not cutting it |
| 16:47.31 | yang_ | I have the following problem...I cannot connect my VOIP handset (192.168.2.3) to my PBX system (192.168.1.58) - http://openpaste.org/en/4938/ |
| 16:47.31 | abrotman | delsvr: just for the install ? |
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| 16:48.34 | delsvr | abrotman, yeah it can't mount root even after an install in IDE mode |
| 16:48.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:48.48 | abrotman | delsvr: but the kmuto don't work either ? |
| 16:49.08 | delsvr | abrotman, haven't tried that yet--think I'm going to give lenny a shot first |
| 16:49.27 | abrotman | delsvr: i'd go with the kmuto first |
| 16:49.42 | delsvr | abrotman, can I even get a netinst image of lenny? |
| 16:49.51 | delsvr | can't seem to find it |
| 16:49.55 | Surma | Okay guys, I did something fairly stupid and now I need your help to fix it. I accidently deleted a lot of stuff in /var/lib, and with it /var/lib/apt. Therefore apt won't work anymore. Is there anyway to fix this? Any Ideas? |
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| 16:50.03 | abrotman | delsvr: sure you can .. but it might not work today .. they build them daily |
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| 16:50.09 | JordiGH | I downloaded the .deb they have, highly policy-breaking, and it doesn't even have a copyright notice anywhere! |
| 16:50.19 | JordiGH | I wonder if they realise that this means it's illegal for me to download it. |
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| 16:50.28 | yang_ | Surma: i guess you will have to reinstall |
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| 16:50.47 | delsvr | abrotman, I'll give it a shot... I'd want to distupgrade to lenny after an etch install anyway |
| 16:50.55 | kqrdeb | i try to run wpa_supplicant and get the following errors: http://pastebin.com/m7ecc853e what do i need to do? |
| 16:51.18 | abrotman | delsvr: /msg dpkg d-i .. there should be a devel link |
| 16:51.26 | abrotman | delsvr: but i really have no idea if it will work today |
| 16:51.37 | Surma | yang_: noooo! ;) Come one, there's gotta be some way without have to reinstall everything?! That would be a waste of hours until I'm back where I was |
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| 16:52.32 | yang_ | Surma: mybe there is a way, that someone knows |
| 16:52.40 | hoxu | Surma, what does "apt-get update" say? |
| 16:52.42 | delsvr | abrotman, it's okay I sorta have the time this weekend to try them all |
| 16:52.46 | delsvr | abrotman, thanks |
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| 16:52.54 | jelly-ho | kqrdeb: parhaps a driver other than wext would work better |
| 16:52.56 | abrotman | delsvr: be more fun to get it right the first time :) |
| 16:53.35 | kqrdeb | jelly-ho: which means in a more simple explanation?.. :P |
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| 16:53.40 | Nyle | Good morning |
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| 16:54.11 | hoxu | Surma, and is /var/lib/dpkg still there? |
| 16:54.13 | tuv | are there any good CLI calculators besides bc with more built-in functions? |
| 16:54.17 | jelly-ho | kqrdeb: uh... how can I put it more simple than "try a different driver"? |
| 16:54.21 | Nyle | tuv: python |
| 16:54.26 | delsvr | abrotman, that's not how I roll |
| 16:54.34 | Surma | hoxu: update works fine, and yeah, /var/lib/dpkg is there |
| 16:54.40 | Nyle | install python, type python for python, and type " from math import * " |
| 16:54.52 | Nyle | then do any calc you want |
| 16:54.56 | abrotman | delsvr: oh .. you're square ? |
| 16:55.22 | tuv | Nyle, nice indeed |
| 16:55.30 | jelly-ho | tuv: wcalc |
| 16:55.37 | delsvr | abrotman, :( |
| 16:55.49 | Nyle | jelly-ho: me likey python |
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| 16:55.56 | hoxu | Surma, you could reinstall the packages whose directories you removed |
| 16:56.17 | Surma | hoxu: That's basically everything, but thanks, I'll try |
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| 16:56.36 | jelly-ho | Nyle: I like hammers. |
| 16:56.48 | Nyle | jelly-ho: the sarcasm is not lost on me. |
| 16:56.54 | jelly-ho | :-) |
| 16:56.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:56.59 | Nyle | asshole ; |
| 16:57.00 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 16:57.41 | Nyle | wcalc |
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| 16:58.08 | Surma | hoxu: When I try to install something with dpkg, it says: unable to create updated files list file for package libc6: No such file or directory |
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| 16:59.11 | abrotman | Surma: paste all the output |
| 16:59.12 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:59.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 16:59.58 | SNKorea | r -m irc.efnet.net |
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| 17:01.59 | Trollinator | abrotman: can you help me once more? I want to fetch the source of the Ubuntu php5 package, so I tried "apt-build source --sources-list=./sources.list php5" |
| 17:02.13 | abrotman | Trollinator: i don't use ubuntu .. |
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| 17:02.14 | Trollinator | But it says "Missing source package name for source_by_source()." |
| 17:02.19 | Trollinator | abrotman: I don't either. |
| 17:02.25 | Trollinator | I use sid. |
| 17:02.31 | abrotman | so you're mixing distros? |
| 17:02.43 | hoxu | !win Trollinator |
| 17:02.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, Trollinator! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 17:02.51 | abrotman | yay asg! |
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| 17:02.55 | Trollinator | abrotman: no, i just need to support a friend who uses ubuntu |
| 17:03.06 | abrotman | Trollinator: give them a Debian CD :) |
| 17:03.13 | hoxu | !start a distro war |
| 17:03.13 | jon_high9000 | hello there, I am having install problems with debian 4.0. i downloaded all 21 disks which took atleast 2 days to finish and afterward tried to use the first disk to get the installation going. |
| 17:03.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 17:03.14 | Trollinator | abrotman: oh come on... |
| 17:03.20 | Nyle | !d-i Trollinator |
| 17:03.20 | Trollinator | LOL |
| 17:03.20 | dpkg | Trollinator, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:03.22 | JordiGH | Trollinator: So ask in #ubuntu how to help your friend that uses Ubuntu. |
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| 17:03.53 | Trollinator | Look, i'm looking for help on a debian program. |
| 17:03.57 | Trollinator | apt-build that is |
| 17:04.01 | JordiGH | Ah, that's different. |
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| 17:04.12 | JordiGH | Our apt-build or Ubuntu's apt-build? They patch it heavily, y'know. |
| 17:04.23 | Trollinator | apt-build from Debian Sid. |
| 17:04.28 | Trollinator | I do not use ubuntu. |
| 17:04.31 | abrotman | !source |
| 17:04.32 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us - uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
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| 17:05.00 | Nyle | dpkg support is also ***NOTICE*** IF you are NOT using Debian GNU/Linux itself, do NOT bother to ask/bug us. Please install debian for us to be able to support you. |
| 17:05.01 | dpkg | is also ***NOTICE*** IF you are NOT using Debian GNU/Linux itself, do NOT bother to ask/bug us. Please install debian for us to be able to support you. is the BEST |
| 17:05.12 | Nyle | wtf is with this bot goddamit |
| 17:05.33 | Nyle | !support |
| 17:05.33 | dpkg | somebody said support was please do not email us or call the FSF Office for technical support, or http://www.fsf.org/prep/service.html |
| 17:05.36 | Nyle | see |
| 17:05.37 | Nyle | wtf |
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| 17:05.49 | Nyle | ahhh boy /me looks up blootbot docs again |
| 17:05.51 | jelly-ho | email "us"? |
| 17:05.59 | Nyle | I dunno, that what it said |
| 17:05.59 | jelly-ho | "email", even? |
| 17:06.03 | Nyle | I merely tried to add the latter |
| 17:06.06 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: support@debian.org, perhaps? |
| 17:06.08 | Nyle | or the former actually |
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| 17:06.18 | Trollinator | Ok, so how does the --sources-list option from apt-build work? |
| 17:06.37 | Surma | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/48275 |
| 17:07.14 | jon_high9000 | my computer is a Compaq Presario Athlon 64 bit. |
| 17:07.41 | JordiGH | jon_high9000: My computer is Dell 1420n. Pleased to meet you. |
| 17:08.03 | jon_high9000 | hi jordi. |
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| 17:08.41 | Nyle | it wouldn't take the support, maybe its a keyword or some such |
| 17:08.42 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 17:08.45 | Nyle | !support.me |
| 17:08.45 | dpkg | well, support.me is please do not email us or call the FSF Office for technical support, or http://www.fsf.org/prep/service.html -- ***NOTICE*** IF you are NOT using Debian GNU/Linux itself, do NOT bother to ask/bug us. Please install debian for us to be able to support you. Thanks. |
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| 17:09.02 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 17:09.14 | jon_high9000 | did you catch my problem with debian 4.0? |
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| 17:09.21 | kqrdeb | i stil have a lot of problems with my wpa-thingey... this is my input when trying to run wpa_supplicant |
| 17:09.22 | kqrdeb | http://pastebin.com/m234ed7ff |
| 17:09.24 | JordiGH | Trollinator: apt-build(1) says "specify sources.list". |
| 17:09.26 | Nyle | this was not directed at anyone atm |
| 17:10.05 | Nyle | jon_high9000: I didn't asee you ask a question you just told us what you have |
| 17:10.08 | JordiGH | jon_high9000: You said downloaded cd's and tried to install them. You didn't mention a prolbme. |
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| 17:10.20 | Trollinator | JordiGH: I have done that. "apt-build source --sources-list=./sources.list php5" doesn't work though. |
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| 17:10.28 | JordiGH | !doesn't work |
| 17:10.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:10.37 | JoeThomas | Hi, I'm having some problems when I quit dwm, "missing font sets" When I search for some of the prefixes I install them, yet they still show errors. |
| 17:10.38 | Trollinator | i get "Missing source package name for source_by_source()." |
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| 17:10.57 | idimmu | i get "missing front teeth" due to eating too much sugar |
| 17:11.18 | JordiGH | Trollinator: That sounds weird. Might be a bug in apt-build. :-) |
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| 17:11.28 | jon_high9000 | my computer starts to boot but stops half way through. doesnt get to the install phase. |
| 17:11.29 | Trollinator | OK. |
| 17:11.37 | Trollinator | JordiGH: thanks anyway. |
| 17:11.47 | JordiGH | Trollinator: What does your ./sources.list look like? |
| 17:12.16 | Nyle | jon_high9000: you put in the debian installer cd, and boot up, and it tries to load the debian intaller but fails halfway ? |
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| 17:12.34 | jon_high9000 | that is correct. |
| 17:12.44 | Nyle | jon_high9000: redown the cd maybe? verify its checksum to see if you have the whole file uncorrupted |
| 17:12.53 | Trollinator | JordiGH: http://pastebin.ca/889055 |
| 17:12.55 | JordiGH | jon_high9000: Did you check the cd for burning/downloading errors? |
| 17:12.57 | Nyle | jon_high9000: also, do you see any mesages on screen WHERE it fails |
| 17:12.57 | jon_high9000 | i downloaded three copies and each of them fail as well. |
| 17:13.27 | Nyle | jon_high9000: also you can type Alt+f4 to go to the stdout of the installer, I dunno if that helps to see whats going on in there |
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| 17:13.40 | Nyle | jon_high9000: sicne it never loads up |
| 17:13.46 | JordiGH | Trollinator: Hm, I doubt that Debian's apt-build knows how to deal with Ubuntu sources. Debian expects "main, contrib, non-free", not "main, restricted, universe, multiverse". |
| 17:13.49 | jon_high9000 | no error messages. just freezes and i have to manually restart my computer |
| 17:13.59 | Nyle | jon_high9000: retry the download and burn again properly |
| 17:14.05 | Nyle | verify the burn process after completiong |
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| 17:14.18 | Nyle | jon_high9000: also, do you have any crazy hardware? |
| 17:14.30 | Nyle | and which debian installer image did you download? etch? |
| 17:14.40 | jon_high9000 | yes. |
| 17:14.41 | Nyle | maybe your hw is too new for etch installers kernel |
| 17:14.53 | jelly-ho | Trollinator: why not setup an ubuntu chroot? |
| 17:14.57 | abrotman | Surma: what are you doing? |
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| 17:15.04 | jon_high9000 | i use k3b. i also used verify |
| 17:15.22 | jon_high9000 | verify function |
| 17:15.24 | Trollinator | JordiGH: wtf? i seriously doubt that the apt developers hard-coded the main, contrib, non-free struff into apt. |
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| 17:15.37 | Trollinator | jelly-ho: Well, it should work like that :p |
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| 17:17.02 | Nyle | jon_high9000: what is your compuer? |
| 17:17.08 | Nyle | jon_high9000: hardware wise? |
| 17:17.08 | Surma | abrotman: It said, libc6 is not installed, so I thought I'd just reinstall it, which failed because of the error i mentioned. |
| 17:17.19 | JordiGH | Trollinator: No, it's not that they hard-coded it in there, but apt-build can't use Ubuntu sources to build inside a Debian environment. I get: /var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_source_Sources |
| 17:17.26 | JordiGH | Trollinator: You're gonna need an Ubuntu chroot. |
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| 17:17.50 | PFA | i ated an internet. |
| 17:17.55 | jon_high9000 | <nyle> i was going to try G4 Macintosh. |
| 17:18.03 | abrotman | Surma: did you delete the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 17:18.11 | jon_high9000 | and install it on that. |
| 17:18.15 | Trollinator | JordiGH: you can fix that by running "apt-build update --sources-list=./sources.list |
| 17:18.16 | PFA | dicks |
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| 17:18.28 | JordiGH | I don't want to fix that. :-) |
| 17:18.33 | kqrdeb | i stil have a lot of problems with my wpa-thingey... this is my input when trying to run wpa_supplicant |
| 17:18.34 | kqrdeb | http://pastebin.com/m234ed7ff |
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| 17:18.38 | kqrdeb | output* |
| 17:18.49 | Surma | abrotman: No I didn't |
| 17:18.56 | Surma | abrotman: At least I think I didn't |
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| 17:19.11 | JordiGH | What if apt-build tries to contaminate my precious Debian lappy with Ubuntu sources? Perish the thought! |
| 17:19.17 | Surma | abrotman: actually, there is no /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 17:19.26 | abrotman | Surma: that's bad |
| 17:19.30 | abrotman | it's a directory |
| 17:19.48 | Surma | abrotman: maybe that got deleted too. It was a rm -rf that went wrong |
| 17:19.54 | hoxu | Surma, reinstall time |
| 17:20.00 | abrotman | Surma: you should have mentioned that |
| 17:20.06 | JordiGH | Trollinator: Btw, it looks like you have to specify absolute pathnames to apt-build, not relative ones. At least it didn't work here if I tried to use relative pathnames. |
| 17:20.10 | Surma | dammit |
| 17:20.32 | jelly-ho | or restore from a backup |
| 17:21.06 | abrotman | Surma: what do you have left? |
| 17:21.16 | jon_high9000 | <nyle> my Computer is a Compaq Presario Athlon 64 bit 3500+ 128Gb HD |
| 17:21.44 | Surma | abrotman: That what I have, I can paste you a tree, hang on |
| 17:21.58 | Nyle | hmm |
| 17:22.03 | Nyle | its not THAT new |
| 17:22.05 | abrotman | Surma: well .. let's ask what you've removed |
| 17:22.12 | jon_high9000 | it has nvidia |
| 17:22.14 | Nyle | are you using the amd64 installer or 386 |
| 17:22.15 | Trollinator | JordiGH: yes, i had noticed that. Sorry, i just didn't want to paste such a long command. |
| 17:22.40 | Nyle | I don't know wht to tell ya |
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| 17:22.42 | Surma | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/48277 |
| 17:22.43 | jon_high9000 | amd64 installer |
| 17:23.04 | Nyle | I thought as much |
| 17:23.09 | Nyle | try the lenny amd64 installer |
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| 17:23.21 | abrotman | Surma: but how much of your system did you remove ? |
| 17:23.29 | Surma | abrotman: Actually, if i create /var/lib/dpkg/info/ dpkg works again |
| 17:23.42 | abrotman | Surma: okay ... |
| 17:23.44 | jon_high9000 | doyou have a link btw? |
| 17:23.54 | Surma | abrotman: the command I used was rm -rf /var/lib (was supposed to be /var/lib/tmp) |
| 17:24.03 | Surma | abrotman: I'll just try to pseudo-reinstall everything |
| 17:24.05 | abrotman | Surma: if you reinstall all your packages .. all those control files will come back |
| 17:24.24 | abrotman | !tell Surma about reinstall |
| 17:24.24 | hoxu | !tell Surma about reinstall |
| 17:24.27 | abrotman | WIN! |
| 17:24.28 | hoxu | hmm. |
| 17:24.40 | Nyle | jon_high9000: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 17:24.42 | hoxu | on whose terminal? ;) |
| 17:24.49 | abrotman | the bot says so! |
| 17:24.53 | hoxu | oh crap... |
| 17:25.11 | jon_high9000 | thanks <nyle> |
| 17:26.04 | JordiGH | Trollinator: If you already put Ubuntu sources in your Debian sources, you might as well just do "apt-get source php5". |
| 17:26.34 | Trollinator | JordiGH: i didn't do that. |
| 17:26.41 | Trollinator | (and i won't). |
| 17:26.53 | JordiGH | Why not? You already have contaminated your Debian sources. |
| 17:27.07 | Trollinator | JordiGH: no. |
| 17:27.11 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: he didn't? |
| 17:27.12 | JordiGH | It'll be an easy fix, and if you don't apt-get anything but sources. |
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| 17:27.28 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: yes he did. He did apt-build update --sources-list ubuntu-sources.list |
| 17:27.46 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: That effectively replaces the Debian sources with Ubuntu ones. |
| 17:28.22 | Trollinator | if i were looking for an easy solution, i would just download he package from packages.ubuntu.com |
| 17:28.29 | Trollinator | anyway, it doesn't matter. |
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| 17:28.34 | JordiGH | Ah, so you like to make life harder for yourself? |
| 17:28.36 | jelly-ho | chroot, I say. |
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| 17:29.04 | Trollinator | JordiGH: I'm just trying to figure out how apt-build works. |
| 17:29.19 | Trollinator | the --sources-list option seems to be a bit broken. |
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| 17:30.09 | Trollinator | anyway, it doesn't really matter anymoer. |
| 17:30.43 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: oh. I thought apt-build was smarter than that; never used it |
| 17:31.14 | JordiGH | jelly-ho: apt-build (1) says in the BUGS section: "many". |
| 17:31.37 | jelly-ho | JordiGH: I thought that was implied for all software |
| 17:31.54 | JordiGH | Except TeX. TeX doesn't have bugs, by definition. |
| 17:32.21 | JordiGH | Whatever TeX does, that's what it's supposed to do, and it's not a bug. If you think you found a bug in TeX, you just misunderstood what TeX is supposed to do. |
| 17:32.29 | JordiGH | Knuth said it! It must be true. |
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| 17:33.23 | jelly-ho | Also, there are no security holes in qmail. |
| 17:33.35 | JordiGH | Only access conveniences? |
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| 17:37.35 | Trollinator | JordiGH: He never proved TeX to be bug-free, did he? |
| 17:38.12 | Trollinator | and there was a bug in TeX in 2002 which led to the release of TeX 3.141592 |
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| 17:38.42 | cizzi | how come if a file is owned by root but has o+w you still cant write to it? |
| 17:38.56 | JordiGH | Trollinator: He didn't prove it to be bug-free. He simply redefined bugs so that TeX wouldn't have any. :-) |
| 17:39.30 | Trollinator | cizzi: ACLs? |
| 17:39.37 | cizzi | Trollinator - whats that? |
| 17:39.45 | Trollinator | Access Control Lists. |
| 17:39.46 | JordiGH | Access control lists. |
| 17:39.51 | Nyle | !acl |
| 17:39.52 | dpkg | hmm... acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 17:40.04 | Trollinator | If you didn't set them up yourself, then you probably don't have any. |
| 17:40.25 | cizzi | so its a built in security feature? |
| 17:40.33 | Nyle | ever since that garbage ntfs-3g fucked me in the ass after it bent me over, I only use the default linux ntfs ro |
| 17:40.34 | Trollinator | of course someone else might have set them up |
| 17:40.46 | Nyle | acl reminded of ntfs sorry |
| 17:41.14 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 17:41.14 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. |
| 17:41.32 | Trollinator | cizzi: it's an extension to the traditional unix permission system. |
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| 17:41.42 | Nyle | dpkg ntfs-3g is also not as stable as they claim. |
| 17:41.43 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 17:41.54 | cizzi | Trollinator - but others should be able to write to the file |
| 17:41.59 | jelly-ho | cizzi: or user could be in that group the file is owned by, and there's no g+w |
| 17:42.25 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 17:42.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. not as stable as they claim. |
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| 17:42.39 | jelly-ho | cizzi: or the file's immutable bit is set. check with lsattr |
| 17:42.41 | Nyle | irritates me when people lie to you |
| 17:42.45 | JordiGH | Nyle, you got some data for that? |
| 17:42.49 | zinx | !tell Nyle about msg the bots |
| 17:42.51 | cizzi | jelly - :) thanks |
| 17:42.57 | Nyle | zinx: I am aware |
| 17:43.02 | Nyle | zinx: I wanted to do this publically. |
| 17:43.12 | jelly-ho | Nyle: have you reported back to the authors? |
| 17:43.16 | zinx | Nyle: there was no need to do it again after you made the change. |
| 17:43.17 | Trollinator | I'm glad others have made the same experience with ntfs-3g. |
| 17:43.20 | Nyle | jelly-ho: yes I have emailed them |
| 17:43.31 | Nyle | zinx: ok |
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| 17:43.43 | Trollinator | bloody piece of crap. |
| 17:44.04 | JordiGH | Windows is the piece of crap. ntfs-3g is simply an attempt to polish a turd. |
| 17:44.06 | zinx | Nyle: and it's a rather long factoid to be sending to the channel unnecessarily :/ |
| 17:44.18 | Nyle | zinx: I get it. ok? |
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| 17:44.38 | SwartMumba | hello |
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| 17:45.20 | radius | Nyle, zinx some ppl feel the need to boost their ego publically ... don't take it personally (: |
| 17:45.25 | Nyle | don'g nag peopel to a point if they make a mistake that they get pissed off and say fuck it, i'll do it again just t piss you off. |
| 17:45.37 | Nyle | if one makes a mistake, say it once and be done with it. Don't assume another is an idiot. |
| 17:45.40 | Nyle | please. |
| 17:46.20 | SwartMumba | I updated flash plugin but when I play a utube video, it plays the video with no sound. How do I get the sound? I'm using iceweasel if that's any help. |
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| 17:47.00 | JordiGH | Why not? It's a safe assumption. Most people are idiots. :-) |
| 17:47.24 | JordiGH | Nyle: I think we have already previously established both you and I are idiots. |
| 17:47.24 | zinx | SwartMumba: is sound working for other applications? i believe the latest flash plugin uses ALSA |
| 17:47.34 | Nyle | JordiGH: yes, I remember establishing that :) |
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| 17:49.51 | Nyle | is alsa-oss deprecated? |
| 17:49.59 | danielm | hi all. any idea what is 'Debootstrap: Failed to determine the codename for the release'?? |
| 17:50.14 | Nyle | hmm nm |
| 17:50.23 | Nyle | danielm: what exactly did you type |
| 17:50.39 | danielm | i'm installing debian |
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| 17:51.44 | jelly-ho | danielm: which debian release? which cd/dvd image are you using? |
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| 17:52.29 | danielm | netinst, amd64, lenny |
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| 17:57.38 | Yggdrasil | is there any way to get the size of a folder and all its contents from cli ? |
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| 17:58.36 | klync | Yggdrasil: `du -sh /my/folder` |
| 17:58.42 | Yggdrasil | awesome thanks |
| 17:58.47 | jelly-ho | danielm: install stable; upgrade to lenny. weekly installer images may be buggy |
| 17:58.56 | Yggdrasil | i love cli file manager |
| 17:58.56 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
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| 17:59.04 | klync | Yggdrasil: feel free to check `man dh` for more options |
| 17:59.07 | klync | du |
| 17:59.10 | klync | d'oh |
| 17:59.13 | Yggdrasil | yea du |
| 17:59.15 | Yggdrasil | wait |
| 17:59.19 | Yggdrasil | ywa du |
| 17:59.20 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 17:59.39 | danielm | jelly, ok.. thanks.. |
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| 18:00.50 | klync | so, i have an env var that i have set in ~/.bash_profile, but it needs to be set for a cronjob.... it's a password, so i don't want to just define it with the job (otherwise the passwd is written to the cron email) ... will ~/.profile do the trick? |
| 18:01.40 | klync | or is there a particular file that cron sources when it runs? |
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| 18:02.44 | jelly-ho | klync: man 5 crontab ... you can put env.vars in the crontab file itself. |
| 18:03.23 | klync | jelly-ho: oh, right... in its header... i was thinking i'd have to do VAR="password" ; cmd |
| 18:03.27 | klync | jelly-ho: thx |
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| 18:08.01 | `y7 | i've been trying to get azureus installed/running for the past 2 days |
| 18:08.06 | `y7 | i can't figure out what im doing wrong |
| 18:08.24 | `y7 | i don't even know where to start to ask for help |
| 18:08.27 | `y7 | i got the .bz2 file |
| 18:08.29 | `y7 | i extracted it |
| 18:08.35 | `y7 | then i tried to run azureus and i failed |
| 18:08.49 | `y7 | any ideas? |
| 18:09.08 | danielm | jelly-home, , i will try to download a more recent iso .. |
| 18:09.14 | klync | `y7: is azureus not available through apt? |
| 18:09.21 | `y7 | it is, but it gave me 2.5.0 |
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| 18:09.23 | `y7 | which is old |
| 18:09.28 | `y7 | i tried to do the auto update inside the program |
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| 18:09.33 | `y7 | and it failed |
| 18:09.41 | `y7 | so i downloaded the new one via http and wget |
| 18:09.43 | `y7 | extracted it |
| 18:09.47 | `y7 | and tried to get it going from there |
| 18:09.50 | `y7 | but it doesn't go ;(( |
| 18:09.57 | jelly-home | danielm: see "/msg dpkg d-i" if you wish to report bugs for testing installer |
| 18:10.03 | `y7 | i don't know if i have to install after extracting, or whether it installs while extracting |
| 18:10.10 | `y7 | seems like i still need to install it |
| 18:10.11 | SpeedyG | 'failed' 'doesnt go' not really clear... any error msgs ? logs? other info ? |
| 18:10.12 | jelly-home | !tell `y7 -about enter |
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| 18:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | all of us? |
| 18:10.32 | H2S04 | haha |
| 18:10.35 | klync | `y7: are there particular features you need that 2.5.0 doesn't contain? i'm guessing the un-bzipped pkg has a `README` or `INSTALL` file that might help you out? |
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| 18:10.40 | H2S04 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | H2S04: give us a msg nickserv identify, then |
| 18:11.06 | `y7 | the older 2.5.0 is banned everywhere |
| 18:11.18 | craigevil | `y7: 3.0.3.4-3 is the version in Sid |
| 18:11.23 | `y7 | as far as a readme, i have no idea how to even get to that ;( |
| 18:11.33 | `y7 | i don't even know what Sid is :( |
| 18:11.38 | `y7 | just installed debian a couple of days ago |
| 18:11.46 | `y7 | trying to install random stuff to get the hang of it |
| 18:11.47 | jelly-home | Everywhere? Oh, you mean on warez trackers? |
| 18:11.48 | karmatronic | !sid |
| 18:11.48 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 18:11.55 | abrotman | oh this should go well |
| 18:12.11 | `y7 | im using gnome debian |
| 18:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | `y7: perhaps time to learn to crawl before you learn to drive a car, then :) |
| 18:12.48 | `y7 | i know |
| 18:12.48 | `y7 | but where do you start? |
| 18:12.48 | `y7 | installing a program doesn't seem like a huge deal |
| 18:12.51 | `y7 | i can't even figure out how to copy/paste with my keyboard in the gui |
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| 18:13.06 | craigevil | the directory where you extracted it to should ahve a readme on how to install it |
| 18:13.14 | `y7 | k |
| 18:13.17 | `y7 | i'll try and find that |
| 18:13.38 | calimero | `y7, you can try text-based torrent clients |
| 18:13.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | `y7: middle mouse button does it... I don't think there is a kbd shortcut, except in KDE-apps... and there it's the same as in Windows |
| 18:13.48 | jelly-home | once upon a long ago, I just unpacked azureus in /opt/azureus and it worked |
| 18:13.50 | abrotman | Hi, I have a shiny new OS. I need to steal stuff and quick! |
| 18:13.56 | `y7 | i already did what the instructions say |
| 18:14.08 | SpeedyG | `y7: where to start? reading man-pages, reading how-to's on several support sites, idle here for more information, and probably many other ways to start learning using linux :) |
| 18:14.10 | abrotman | if it's a torrent client you need .. try transmission |
| 18:14.11 | `y7 | "extract, change to the azureus dir and type "azureus" to run" |
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| 18:14.33 | Trollinator | `y7: you need to type ./azures |
| 18:14.35 | klync | `y7: as for c/p ... unix has done it differently since before windows had a gui... some apps emulate ctrl-c/ctrl-v, but the "original" way is to select text with the mouse, and right-click to paste what's selected |
| 18:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: go to i-hacked-127-0-0-1.com, they got LOADS of stuff |
| 18:14.38 | Trollinator | ./zaureus |
| 18:14.41 | Trollinator | dammit. |
| 18:14.46 | `y7 | SpeedyG, i figured the best way to learn would be to learn the gui and then learn the cmds to run via ssh |
| 18:14.48 | jelly-home | klync: middle click |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i was joking .. |
| 18:15.02 | klync | jelly-home: good thing you're around - i have no brain today :/ |
| 18:15.12 | abrotman | today? |
| 18:15.14 | jelly-home | I have no brain EVAR |
| 18:15.20 | SpeedyG | `y7: true, learning through practice, but you should learn the practices by reading ;) |
| 18:15.20 | Trollinator | `y7: anyway, when you need to run a file in the current directory, you need to type ./filename |
| 18:15.23 | `y7 | klync, well in my putty.exe ssh client that i use to login to my redhat server, i just use right click to copy/paste |
| 18:15.28 | `y7 | but that doesn't work in the gui for some reason |
| 18:15.32 | klync | `y7: ya, a lot like that |
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| 18:15.47 | `y7 | Trollinator, i didn't do the ./ |
| 18:15.50 | klync | except, as jelly-home pointed out, middle-click, not right |
| 18:15.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: me too, if you didn't notice |
| 18:15.57 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't check the url |
| 18:16.00 | `y7 | i just typed the file name |
| 18:16.02 | Trollinator | `y7: i know, you told us. |
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| 18:16.04 | jelly-home | `y7: "/msg dpkg grounding" is supposed to be useful for beginners. NO WARRANTY |
| 18:16.09 | Trollinator | you need to do ./ though. |
| 18:16.15 | Trollinator | that's what i'm saying. |
| 18:16.21 | `y7 | ./ worked |
| 18:16.22 | `y7 | ty :D |
| 18:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: I don't think it exists... only the T-shirts... and the story... you surely know the "I hacked 127.0.0.1" story? |
| 18:16.35 | `y7 | lolz, 2 days of attempts and ./ is all i needed |
| 18:16.42 | jelly-home | have fun stealing copyrighted material! |
| 18:16.43 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds vaguely familiar |
| 18:16.44 | wfq | hi |
| 18:16.45 | `y7 | jelly-home, roger that |
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| 18:17.07 | wfq | has anyone of you guys installed the link 4965AGN network card (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=HOWTO-iwlwifi) with success on Linux? |
| 18:17.10 | Trollinator | `y7: ./ tells the shell that you want to run the file in the current directory. |
| 18:17.14 | [dive] | hi all. just install lenny and when i try to "grub-install /dev/sda" it's said that "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly". what can i do with it? lilo install is fine. |
| 18:17.15 | SpeedyG | `y7: also, read http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ |
| 18:17.33 | abrotman | SpeedyG: /msg dpkg grounding .. which he was told to do .. which has that |
| 18:17.43 | `y7 | Trollinator, why can i type joe /dir/filename to open a file/start a program? |
| 18:17.52 | `y7 | there is no ./joe /etc/whatever |
| 18:18.07 | klync | `y7: also, for c/p (just realized as i did it with CutMeOwnThroat's url), since ctrl-c sends a signal in a shell, most of your x-term shells will use ctrl-shift-c and ctrl-shift-v |
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| 18:18.22 | jelly-home | `y7: joe is installed somewhere in the default PATH |
| 18:18.23 | Trollinator | `y7: yes, for example you can use /bin/ls instead of just ls |
| 18:18.25 | klync | CutMeOwnThroat: not as fun as i had hoped :( |
| 18:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: http://www.stophiphop.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=184 |
| 18:18.36 | `y7 | ok |
| 18:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | klync: it exists?! |
| 18:18.42 | `y7 | i'll get to reading those beginner manuals;\ |
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| 18:18.47 | `y7 | thx for the help guys |
| 18:18.53 | Trollinator | `y7: running "which foobar" will tell you where the actual executable is. |
| 18:19.01 | klync | CutMeOwnThroat: true, glad someone's thinking |
| 18:19.06 | Trollinator | like, which ls will print /bin/ls |
| 18:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | klync: I don't think it's even legal with numbers and so many dashes for the 2nd level domain |
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| 18:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | klync: I was referring to the story on the stophiphop url above |
| 18:20.31 | klync | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't think there were any restrictions - digits and dashes are legal dns chars |
| 18:20.40 | klync | oh, i'm boycotting that domain, sorry |
| 18:21.45 | john_scrotum | hiphop? why would anyone want to stop hiphop? |
| 18:22.11 | Eulex | it was named funroll-loops.org or similarly |
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| 18:22.19 | klync | i think that's it! |
| 18:22.21 | Eulex | doesn't seem to work now, though |
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| 18:22.49 | [dive] | anybody help? re: just install lenny and when i try to "grub-install /dev/sda" it's said that "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly". what can i do with it? lilo install is fine. |
| 18:23.30 | SwartMumba | what does it mean to: |
| 18:23.32 | SwartMumba | Edit /etc/apt/preferences to set priorities. |
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| 18:24.04 | babilen | SwartMumba: you probably want to pin packages to a certain deistribution/version |
| 18:24.19 | babilen | SwartMumba: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 18:24.37 | john_scrotum | leave hiphop alone and destroy edmonton... edmonton must be wiped out! |
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| 18:25.11 | john_scrotum | babilen: if he knew that, he would have already achieved it. |
| 18:25.30 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 18:25.30 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 18:26.10 | DarkFlib | I know this is the wrong place to ask possibly... but does anyone know of a mini-distro (hopefully debian based) that can boot from a 64meg flash disk and 128meg RAM? |
| 18:26.19 | babilen | SwartMumba: does this cover your needs, or do you want to do something different? |
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| 18:26.41 | john_scrotum | OMG! There's this guy on HSN peddling Gateway computers. |
| 18:26.47 | john_scrotum | I think he's gay. |
| 18:26.55 | DarkFlib | lol@gateway |
| 18:26.57 | SwartMumba | babilen: when I play a utube video, I get no sound. So I am trying to see if it would work if I tried to install the latest flash plugin, which I thought I did just now but as I said the sound does not work. |
| 18:27.42 | jelly-home | klync: archive.org to the rescue! http://web.archive.org/web/20060513022941/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 18:27.49 | klync | :) |
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| 18:28.38 | klync | DarkFlib: try reading around here: http://distrowatch.com/ |
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| 18:31.10 | DarkFlib | klync: been doing that, seems almost all are either 'boot from cd' (no cd on the embedded box and I don't want to dangle a usb cd for years off it) or 'install this 100-400meg image' on to the flash (only got 64meg if I had 400meg I'd be using straight debain) |
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| 18:31.35 | Bogus8 | is there a site that you can see which major routers/hubs are down across the US or even the globe |
| 18:31.45 | SwartMumba | Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can get my sound working for utube videos? |
| 18:31.57 | Trollinator | I have a program that prints strings separated by null bytes. How do i use the "read" builtin on the shell? |
| 18:32.05 | DarkFlib | Bogus8: not really, you can look at the various lookingglass pages but its not that useful... |
| 18:32.06 | hoxu | !tell SwartMumba about alsa checklist |
| 18:32.12 | Trollinator | like, -d <what goes here?> |
| 18:32.25 | Trollinator | read -d <what goes here> |
| 18:32.28 | Bogus8 | DarkFlib: hmm, seems like someone would have created such a site |
| 18:32.35 | Bogus8 | such a shame |
| 18:33.12 | DarkFlib | Bogus8: I've not found one, but I am willing to do it if other people are willing to share a traceroute every 5 minutes or so... |
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| 18:33.21 | klync | DarkFlib: well, i don't really know, and this is OT for the chan, but have you considered LFS or one of the make-your-own-image distros? i used to use coyote linux to run my router off a floppy, once upon a time |
| 18:33.41 | Bogus8 | DarkFlib: that would be cool |
| 18:34.02 | Bogus8 | DarkFlib: I would think grant money could be had for such a project |
| 18:34.06 | klync | Bogus8: i had to go through a box of 10 floppies to find one that could hold the high-density image :/ |
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| 18:34.19 | DarkFlib | klync: I was looking at coyote but the page has gone... not sure if the project is dead... a floppy distro is feasible tho... memdisk + pxe can work for that... |
| 18:34.43 | Bogus8 | klync: hmm, not sure what you are talking about... sorry |
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| 18:34.59 | klync | Bogus8: sorry, thought you were talking to me - misread |
| 18:35.06 | klync | lol |
| 18:35.07 | Bogus8 | klync: no prob |
| 18:36.22 | klync | DarkFlib: i probably have the sources for coyote somewhere on my hd somewhere, if you want to try that and are okay with running 1999 versions of apps (2.2 kernel w/ipchains, etc) |
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| 18:36.42 | DarkFlib | klync: it would be a nice starting point... |
| 18:36.56 | DarkFlib | unless something else pops up |
| 18:37.05 | abrotman | DarkFlib: have you checked lwn.net ? they have a nice listing |
| 18:37.08 | DarkFlib | :) |
| 18:37.09 | tingle | how can i enable boot log of debian etch? |
| 18:37.18 | DarkFlib | lwn? nope |
| 18:37.19 | abrotman | hrm .. they used ot |
| 18:37.20 | abrotman | to |
| 18:37.26 | abrotman | http://lwn.net/Distributions/ |
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| 18:38.48 | klync | DarkFlib: is this for a router? |
| 18:39.01 | DarkFlib | klync: kinda... |
| 18:39.03 | xdr | is there a program for graphic traceroute ? |
| 18:39.06 | xdr | like on a map? |
| 18:39.08 | Trollinator | tingle: /etc/default |
| 18:39.09 | klync | DarkFlib: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:39.11 | Trollinator | somewhere in there. |
| 18:39.12 | DarkFlib | its little more advanced than a standard router.. |
| 18:39.36 | DarkFlib | but stuff like ipcop is way to big for the flash |
| 18:39.37 | klync | DarkFlib: ya, i just realized, what i have archived was just to meet my own needs - wouldn't necessarily provide what you want |
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| 18:39.56 | yzaLyzarC | How can I use compiz fusion on my open- |
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| 18:39.59 | yzaLyzarC | ssh-server |
| 18:40.21 | tingle | Trollinator: thanks, the log will be placed in /var/log/ right? |
| 18:40.34 | DarkFlib | copiz fusion on ssh? interesting idea... console based 3d effects!!! |
| 18:40.42 | DarkFlib | :P |
| 18:40.43 | Trollinator | tingle: yes. |
| 18:40.52 | Trollinator | ssh -X.... |
| 18:40.58 | Trollinator | everything is possible. |
| 18:40.59 | tingle | Trollinator: thanks |
| 18:41.52 | yzaLyzarC | kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set. |
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| 18:43.03 | klync | DarkFlib: i think the coyote project got rolled up into leaf |
| 18:43.22 | DarkFlib | klync: k... just reading about leaf now |
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| 18:44.11 | DarkFlib | I wouldn't mind so much except all the major distros are now so massive on a base install... even debian... (307Meg on minimal) |
| 18:44.34 | DarkFlib | 4meg of that was a british dictionary |
| 18:44.42 | DarkFlib | :P |
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| 18:45.06 | yoluca | hi all |
| 18:45.10 | DarkFlib | hi yoluca |
| 18:45.16 | yoluca | how do i make ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /media/#120 -o default_permissions to auto mount that hdd ? |
| 18:45.26 | yoluca | do i need to add anything in /etc/fstab or once mounted with ntfs-3g will be auto mounted everytime ? |
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| 18:45.48 | hellues | hey |
| 18:45.52 | DarkFlib | yoluca: you'll need to add an fstab entry if you want it mounted on boot |
| 18:46.04 | hellues | i have to install xserver-xgl |
| 18:46.15 | hellues | i am using debian sid |
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| 18:46.23 | hellues | i couldnt find this package |
| 18:46.30 | yoluca | ok..will it be with read write support ? |
| 18:46.30 | Nyle | !xgl |
| 18:46.30 | dpkg | i heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported |
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| 18:46.37 | hellues | are there a repo for that thingb |
| 18:46.44 | Nyle | hellues: which video card do you have? |
| 18:46.45 | yoluca | DarkFlib ^ |
| 18:46.54 | Nyle | well actually it doesn't matter which you have |
| 18:47.00 | hellues | nvidia gforce 8400 m |
| 18:47.13 | Nyle | why don't you just use the indirect rendering |
| 18:47.19 | yoluca | DarkFlib if yes ... then why do i need ntfs-3g for ? |
| 18:47.23 | abrotman | hellues: there is no Xgl in debian |
| 18:47.25 | DarkFlib | yoluca: depends on its normal capabilities and the options you pass... never used it myself so I don't know its capabilities |
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| 18:47.31 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.34 | yoluca | ok |
| 18:47.40 | hellues | but |
| 18:47.50 | Nyle | hellues: just use nvidia driver, it supports all that stuff without Xgl |
| 18:47.58 | Nyle | hellues: which is better, because Xgl is a dirty hack |
| 18:48.08 | hellues | i dont know |
| 18:48.10 | yoluca | if i add a entry in fstanb to have my ntfs hdd mounted on boot do i still need ntfs-3g to be able to have read write permission ? |
| 18:48.14 | hellues | just a second |
| 18:48.18 | hellues | !paste |
| 18:48.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:48.22 | Nyle | hellues: ask in #compiz-fusion on how to install compiz-fusion with 3d desktop stuff on debian sid |
| 18:48.24 | Eulex | hellues, if you attempt to install xgl, you will most likely break your system. |
| 18:48.35 | Nyle | hellues: they have the repos and other information regarding that |
| 18:48.50 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48291 |
| 18:48.52 | hellues | pls look |
| 18:49.08 | abrotman | how did you install compiz? |
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| 18:49.16 | hellues | synapptic |
| 18:49.18 | hellues | synaptic |
| 18:49.23 | yoluca | /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g umask=0,nls=utf8 0 0 should do the trick :)) |
| 18:49.27 | Eulex | abrotman, it's in debian? |
| 18:49.28 | Nyle | hellues: I told you where to get that... compiz is not compiz-fusion.. and compiz-fusion afaik is not in debian |
| 18:49.31 | yoluca | thanks guys ... :P |
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| 18:49.38 | abrotman | Eulex: compiz is .. xgl never was |
| 18:49.40 | Nyle | !tell yoluca -about ntfs-3g |
| 18:49.46 | Eulex | right |
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| 18:50.00 | yoluca | Nyle never ask about ntfs-3g |
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| 18:50.10 | Nyle | yoluca: I've lost a lot of data while using ntfs-3g |
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| 18:50.36 | yoluca | shit happen :) |
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| 18:50.42 | hellues | pls look |
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| 18:50.50 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48292 |
| 18:50.57 | donald_ | so how do we get compiz-fusion and all that desktop effects in debian? |
| 18:50.59 | Nyle | yoluca: shit does happen. Look what happened to you. |
| 18:51.04 | DarkFlib | I tried installing compiz-fusion on debian... you get to the point where you can install most of it... then you have to start upgrading python and related stuff to get any further... |
| 18:51.06 | redrain | Hi, I've a problem with my Debian web/db server. Today there was a DDoS attack, I'm not sure if it's over. But I've a real performance problem. top shows 52560k free mem, but system use swap and kswapd tooks 80% of CPU. What could be the problem? |
| 18:51.21 | DarkFlib | I gave up... :P |
| 18:51.34 | Nyle | DarkFlib: I just buillt it all from git |
| 18:51.47 | Nyle | new plugins and all, it works fine |
| 18:52.04 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48292, |
| 18:52.05 | yoluca | Nyle any better idea getting ntfs write support without ntfs-3g ? |
| 18:52.11 | DarkFlib | hmmm... might try again later then... if it now goes in fine |
| 18:52.17 | Nyle | yoluca: WARN AGAINST NTFS RW! |
| 18:52.19 | hellues | ii install al package thet write in |
| 18:52.24 | donald_ | Nyle: any good howto for that compiz from git? |
| 18:52.24 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48292 |
| 18:52.25 | Nyle | yoluca: and then you can recommend anything you want |
| 18:52.33 | Nyle | donald_: no... just know stuff I guess |
| 18:52.41 | Nyle | I talk to people, read docs, read forums and google |
| 18:52.44 | klync | yoluca: i'd make a separate FAT partition and mount that as "my documents", fwiw |
| 18:53.03 | Nyle | I have my 750gb ntfs disk mounted RO |
| 18:53.04 | donald_ | Nyle: should put it in a simple howto no? |
| 18:53.04 | yoluca | Nyle so no other solutions ... see ? thats why i use it |
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| 18:53.10 | DarkFlib | "If God had meant Linux users to fly^H^H^Hhave NTFS support he would have gave them kernel support" :P |
| 18:53.16 | Nyle | and I have a 160gb vfat fs I can share betwen OS |
| 18:53.19 | yang_ | I have the following problem...I cannot connect my VOIP handset (192.168.2.3) to my PBX system (192.168.1.58) - http://openpaste.org/en/4938/ |
| 18:53.23 | Nyle | yoluca: you missed my point |
| 18:53.36 | yoluca | klync i cannot transfer all my 500 GB data to another hdd ... format it fat then put all back on it ... |
| 18:53.38 | Nyle | ***WARNING*** ntfs-3g is NOT as stable as they claim. |
| 18:53.41 | DarkFlib | ahhh a voip question |
| 18:53.43 | DarkFlib | :) |
| 18:53.57 | yoluca | Nyle i know ... when i install it .. i agreed with |
| 18:54.08 | Nyle | ok. so long as you know you're taking a risk with ntfs rw |
| 18:54.15 | DarkFlib | nope... iptables/routing... lol |
| 18:54.17 | Nyle | carry on :0 |
| 18:54.20 | Nyle | :) |
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| 18:54.57 | DarkFlib | yang_: got a dump of all your iptables rules and a routing table? |
| 18:55.13 | Agiofws | can some one tel me # |
| 18:55.13 | Agiofws | videodev 28160 2 saa7134 |
| 18:55.13 | Agiofws | # |
| 18:55.13 | Agiofws | v4l2_common 25216 3 tuner,saa7134,videodev |
| 18:55.13 | Agiofws | # |
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| 18:55.25 | hoxu | !next |
| 18:55.26 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 18:55.31 | hellues | what |
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| 18:55.52 | hellues | what is white listed driver |
| 18:55.52 | Agiofws | v4l1_compat 15236 2 saa7134,videodev why i don't get a /dev/v4l/<DEVICE> directory ? |
| 18:56.14 | hellues | hellues@debian:~$ compiz |
| 18:56.14 | hellues | Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 18:56.14 | hellues | No whitelisted driver found |
| 18:56.14 | hellues | aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
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| 18:56.23 | Nyle | i some dir, I've lost entire direcotries, at some points I've lost songs that I've played from my ntfs-3g mounted disk, movies and videos and games, and sometimes whole dirs are gone, sometimes only certain files that are there, and then, some are corrupted.. ntfs file system is ok, so is the physical disk, I ran all sorts of data recovery using raw scans, data is NOT THERE |
| 18:56.27 | Agiofws | v4l2_common 25216 3 saa7134,videodev,tuner |
| 18:56.28 | Nyle | its just NOT there |
| 18:57.11 | DarkFlib | Nyle: I agree... if data is important then you just don't want to risk it with NTFS under linux... |
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| 18:57.23 | Nyle | DarkFlib: oh I have it on another 750gb disk |
| 18:57.34 | Nyle | alwyas backup |
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| 18:57.55 | Agiofws | 4l2_common 25216 3 tuner,saa7134,videodev <<=== can someone tell me why i have not /dev/v4l/<VIDEO DEVICE> created |
| 18:58.01 | DarkFlib | there is a reason I have 6 x 500gig drives in a RAID6 on my storage server, with a UPS on each of the redundant PSUs and still back up |
| 18:58.06 | Nyle | but still.. I learned the hard way and now as a humanatarian I am concerned about the future welfare of ntfs users |
| 18:58.42 | Nyle | DarkFlib: you have the secret of how to live forever stored on your drives? |
| 18:58.45 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:58.52 | yang_ | DarkFlib: http://openpaste.org/en/4941/ |
| 18:58.56 | DarkFlib | Nyle: can't tell you that... :P |
| 18:58.59 | Trollinator | :o/ |
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| 18:59.05 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 19:00.27 | DarkFlib | yang_: what is it you want it to do? |
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| 19:00.55 | yang_ | DarkFlib: I want to connect my voip handset (192.168.2.3) with PBX system 192.168.1.58 |
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| 19:01.05 | DarkFlib | hide the wlan behind a single ip? |
| 19:01.35 | Cusoon959 | (I SWARE TO GOD THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL) How would someone fix a 'chmod -x /usr/bin/chmod' |
| 19:01.50 | yang_ | DarkFlib: I suppose i am missing a simple iptables rule |
| 19:01.56 | DarkFlib | lol@Cusoon959 |
| 19:01.57 | Trollinator | Cusoon959: write a program to fix it. |
| 19:02.05 | Trollinator | using the chmod system call. |
| 19:02.16 | Cusoon959 | hehe I dunno how ;P |
| 19:02.17 | Cusoon959 | Oh well |
| 19:02.20 | Cusoon959 | It didn't happen to me |
| 19:02.23 | DarkFlib | Cusoon959: live cd and fix it |
| 19:02.26 | Cusoon959 | ah |
| 19:02.30 | Cusoon959 | hehe okie |
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| 19:02.41 | Cusoon959 | Just wondering.. was reading bash and found a quote like that |
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| 19:03.07 | DarkFlib | or... debootstrap + copy over the new one... |
| 19:03.30 | yoluca_ | how can i make sure that im using nvidia driver ? is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg enough ? |
| 19:04.02 | DarkFlib | yoluca_: in your xorg.conf it will be nvidia rather than nv |
| 19:04.09 | ix | yoluca_: you check what device driver is mentioned in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:04.17 | ix | andm what DarkFlib said. |
| 19:04.17 | yoluca_ | i sec |
| 19:04.17 | ix | :) |
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| 19:04.26 | yang_ | DarkFlib: do you know how it can be done? |
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| 19:05.00 | yoluca_ | DarkFlib, Driver"nv .... so no good |
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| 19:05.10 | Furoid | hi |
| 19:05.21 | Furoid | hey, my apache complains about too many files open problem |
| 19:05.26 | Furoid | where can I raise this limit? |
| 19:05.29 | hellues | heyt |
| 19:05.34 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48295 |
| 19:05.35 | yoluca_ | DarkFlib should i replace nv with nvidia ? |
| 19:05.36 | DarkFlib | yoluca_: you can try changing it to nvidia manaually and see if x starts... |
| 19:05.41 | hellues | pls lokk at this address |
| 19:05.42 | yoluca_ | ok |
| 19:05.49 | Trollinator | #include <sys/stat.h> int main(void) { chmod("/bin/chmod",0755);return 0;} |
| 19:05.53 | Trollinator | that should do it. |
| 19:06.01 | hellues | what this errors |
| 19:06.05 | hellues | how can i fx it |
| 19:06.37 | DarkFlib | hellues: use the correct arguments... |
| 19:06.49 | hellues | what is correct arguments |
| 19:06.54 | hellues | i am beginner |
| 19:06.54 | jelly-home | Trollinator: perl! :-) |
| 19:06.59 | DarkFlib | and also load the nvidia driver |
| 19:07.13 | Trollinator | jelly-home: it's C, actually. |
| 19:07.24 | hellues | load nvidia driver how ? |
| 19:07.31 | jelly-home | Trollinator: no, I meant a perl solution would be simpler |
| 19:07.44 | Trollinator | that solution is simple enough for me. |
| 19:08.02 | Trollinator | hey, you could use a sh script! |
| 19:08.04 | jelly-home | not that the original poster is still here... |
| 19:08.06 | Trollinator | err, wait.. |
| 19:08.58 | Trollinator | hellues: run nvidia-xconfig on a root shell. |
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| 19:09.11 | hellues | ok |
| 19:09.29 | Trollinator | then restart X11. |
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| 19:09.41 | hellues | Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". |
| 19:09.42 | hellues | Segmentation fault |
| 19:09.47 | hellues | whats that error |
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| 19:10.06 | Tailsfa1 | Are the 2 Other DVDs for Debian Necessary? |
| 19:10.11 | hellues | is it importatn ? |
| 19:10.14 | Trollinator | hellues: are you telling me that nvidia-xconfig just segfaultet? |
| 19:10.22 | hellues | yes |
| 19:10.22 | Trollinator | lol |
| 19:10.27 | tralala | hellues, it says "we at nvidia don't know how to write software, but that doesn't stop us from trying" |
| 19:10.38 | Gnu_Raiz | it is if you want the software. |
| 19:10.38 | hellues | hmm |
| 19:10.44 | hellues | how can i solve |
| 19:10.50 | Tailsfa1 | like do you need the do for install? |
| 19:11.00 | Gnu_Raiz | if you have broadband, then most people use the net install. |
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| 19:11.05 | Trollinator | tralala: well, perhaps it says "help! this computer's memory is BROKEN!" |
| 19:11.06 | hellues | install what ? |
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| 19:11.11 | Tailsfa1 | Debain |
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| 19:11.16 | Gnu_Raiz | no need to get more than you need. |
| 19:11.23 | Trollinator | hellues: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor |
| 19:11.24 | Tailsfa1 | ]and I have the DVDs downloaded already, I was just curious was all |
| 19:11.29 | hellues | ok |
| 19:11.30 | tralala | Tailsfa1, you can install debian from cd1 and then download and install everything from debian |
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| 19:11.38 | DarkFlib | Trollinator: echo "<?php chmod(\"/usr/bin/chmod\",0555); ?>" |php -a |
| 19:11.41 | hellues | open |
| 19:11.48 | Trollinator | hellues: go to Section "Device" |
| 19:11.51 | tralala | Trollinator, fat chance |
| 19:11.51 | Tailsfa1 | does that count for DVD 1 as well |
| 19:11.52 | hellues | ok |
| 19:12.25 | Trollinator | replace Driver "whatever" by Driver "nvidia" |
| 19:12.25 | hellues | Identifier"nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M GS" |
| 19:12.25 | hellues | Driver"nv" |
| 19:12.25 | hellues | my driver |
| 19:12.25 | Trollinator | yes, replace nv by nvidia. |
| 19:12.49 | hellues | driver "nv" "nevidia" |
| 19:12.52 | hellues | is it ? |
| 19:12.55 | Trollinator | no. |
| 19:12.59 | Trollinator | Driver "nvidia" |
| 19:13.04 | hellues | ha okey |
| 19:13.11 | DarkFlib | Driver "nvidia" |
| 19:13.18 | hellues | ok |
| 19:13.20 | hellues | after |
| 19:13.25 | hellues | restart xorg ? |
| 19:13.35 | Trollinator | hellues: wait a minute. |
| 19:13.41 | hellues | okey |
| 19:13.58 | hellues | i am waiting |
| 19:14.13 | Trollinator | Perhaps your X11 now breaks. If that happens, you need to undo what you just did. nano is a very easy editor for text terminals. |
| 19:14.23 | Trollinator | So go ahead, restart X. |
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| 19:14.29 | Furoid | hey, our apache is hitting the max open files limit,, where can we get this higher? |
| 19:14.50 | DarkFlib | Furoid: max files is a ulimti iirc |
| 19:14.50 | Furoid | (24)Too many open files: could not open mime types config file /etc/mime.types. |
| 19:14.51 | Furoid | Configuration Failed |
| 19:14.51 | Furoid | apache2: Syntax error on line 188 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/alias.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so: cannot open shared object file: Too many open files |
| 19:14.55 | Furoid | huh? |
| 19:15.09 | Furoid | DarkFlib ulimti iirc? |
| 19:15.11 | klync | Furoid: set ulimit in the init script |
| 19:15.12 | hellues | how can restart |
| 19:15.14 | DarkFlib | ulimit |
| 19:15.17 | DarkFlib | man ulimit |
| 19:15.26 | Furoid | ulimit |
| 19:15.26 | Furoid | unlimited |
| 19:15.31 | Furoid | it says its unlimited |
| 19:15.37 | hellues | if my X breaks than what happpened |
| 19:15.41 | hellues | sorry |
| 19:15.46 | hellues | what will happen |
| 19:16.11 | Trollinator | hellues: you won't have a graphical interface, you'll have to fix it from a text terminal. |
| 19:16.21 | DarkFlib | Furoid: ulimit -a |
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| 19:16.43 | DarkFlib | see the report for -n 'open files) |
| 19:16.50 | hellues | Trollinator, |
| 19:16.52 | hellues | how |
| 19:16.56 | hellues | how fix |
| 19:16.56 | Furoid | DarkFlib: http://pastebin.org/17898 |
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| 19:17.05 | Furoid | DarkFlib: how can I raise the 1024 limit? |
| 19:17.15 | cusco | hellues: regarding your paste: you either run nvidia-settings |
| 19:17.16 | cusco | or |
| 19:17.23 | cusco | nvidia-xconfig |
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| 19:17.29 | Furoid | DarkFlib? |
| 19:17.38 | Trollinator | cusco: nvidia-xconfig segfaulted. |
| 19:17.46 | DarkFlib | one sec... I'm lagging |
| 19:17.49 | hellues | cusco, |
| 19:17.50 | sts | hello folks. how do i know which binary a process uses? |
| 19:17.51 | Furoid | arrrr |
| 19:17.54 | cusco | dumb of me |
| 19:18.00 | hellues | both |
| 19:18.04 | Trollinator | hellues: you log in on the terminal, run "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and change the driver back to nv |
| 19:18.06 | hellues | gives error |
| 19:18.08 | Furoid | does anyone else know? |
| 19:18.14 | Furoid | hey, how to raise the open files limit? |
| 19:18.26 | hellues | ok but if i change xoorg nv from nvidia |
| 19:18.37 | DarkFlib | Furoid: not sure this is the debian way... but on RH I would be adding fs.file-max = 2048 to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:18.42 | hellues | what did i make tihs line nvidia ? |
| 19:18.47 | cusco | hellues: if your X breaks , get to a console (tty1) and run as root: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:18.49 | hellues | sorry |
| 19:18.53 | hellues | nvidia from nv |
| 19:19.15 | cusco | hellues: then chose VESA (instead of nvidia or nv) as a driver - you will be able to return here safely even if you have no 3d or dri or whatever |
| 19:19.17 | Furoid | DarkFlib: i got already these in systcl.conf |
| 19:19.17 | Trollinator | hellues: You're only supposed to change it back IF IT DOESN'T WORK. |
| 19:19.17 | Furoid | fs/file-max=150000 |
| 19:19.17 | Furoid | kernel/shmmax=32768000 |
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| 19:19.24 | Trollinator | it probably WILL work. |
| 19:19.24 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 19:19.29 | hellues | ok i understood but if i turn old setting why did i make some changes |
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| 19:19.47 | hellues | ha ok |
| 19:19.51 | cusco | hellues: but it seems that you have nvidia driver installed so probably changing the driver on the xorg.conf will be enough |
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| 19:20.07 | hellues | invoke-rc.d gdm restart |
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| 19:20.18 | hellues | true command |
| 19:20.24 | hellues | to restart x |
| 19:20.27 | cusco | hellues: you can also do now: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to choose "nvidia" over "nv" |
| 19:20.34 | cusco | hellues: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 19:21.03 | cusco | (nevermind that previous line, you already changed the xorg.conf) |
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| 19:21.56 | Furoid | I got it to work |
| 19:22.01 | Furoid | I had forgot the init.d script |
| 19:22.24 | Erik1 | can I customize the orig. etch r2 dvd, to suit my package need and hardware situation ? |
| 19:22.26 | hellues | off |
| 19:22.35 | cusco | cya in a sec hellues |
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| 19:24.31 | DarkFlib | Erik1: maybe... but prehaps a preseed file would be a better choice for you... |
| 19:24.35 | hellues | i hope |
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| 19:25.26 | Erik1 | DarkFlib: what is that ? got a link ? |
| 19:26.02 | asn | Howdy. I'm trying to connect to my wireless router with my PPC laptop, and I just can't do it. iwconfig reports eth1 connected to my essid. /etc/init.d/networking starts without any errors. I just don't get the problem. Any way you could help me troubleshoot it out? |
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| 19:26.10 | winther | hi |
| 19:26.16 | Trollinator | hellnet: so, how's you X.org doing? |
| 19:26.18 | winther | is it possible to mount a partimage? |
| 19:26.25 | Trollinator | winther: -o loop |
| 19:26.41 | winther | Trollinator: sorry, I do not understand |
| 19:27.01 | klync | asn: you have way of connecting to the router's control panel? is dhcp on? |
| 19:27.04 | Trollinator | mount partition_image /whereever -o loop |
| 19:27.16 | DarkFlib | Erik1: its like the debian version of kickstart... http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 19:27.23 | Trollinator | it needs to be a raw partition image though. |
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| 19:27.37 | Trollinator | not compressed, with headers or whatever else there might be |
| 19:27.40 | Trollinator | just raw data. |
| 19:27.41 | SexyKen | Is this a valid fstab entry (/dev/sdb1 is an ext2 partition) /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/mysql ext2 defaults 1 2 |
| 19:27.55 | asn | klync: No. From my laptop, I can't connect to my router (192.168.2.1), but I can connect to it from my desktop. I'm using static, not dhcp. My /etc/network/interfaces is set accordingly of course |
| 19:28.03 | cusco | asn: dhclient eth1 |
| 19:28.10 | winther | Trollinator: So I just need to say partimage not to compress the Data, right? |
| 19:28.18 | DarkFlib | Erik1: it doesn't even have to be on the disk... it can be on a webserver or elsewhere and just added to the command line on boot |
| 19:28.23 | asn | cusco: I'm not using dhcp. |
| 19:28.26 | Trollinator | winther: i have no idea what partimage does. |
| 19:28.34 | winther | Trollinator: ok |
| 19:29.00 | Trollinator | winther: OK, i've looked at it. It won't work with those images. |
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| 19:29.19 | Erik1 | DarkFlib: I need to add nvidia stuff |
| 19:29.25 | SexyKen | Anyone know? |
| 19:29.26 | winther | Trollinator: would you recommend another programm? |
| 19:29.43 | DarkFlib | Erik1: there are sections in the preseed to script stuff... |
| 19:29.49 | klync | asn: assuming your net settings are right, then... is the wlan up in `ifconfig`? does `dmesg` show any errors in the module? |
| 19:30.06 | Trollinator | winther: there's hardly any choice but to use dd or something similar. |
| 19:30.08 | Erik1 | ok |
| 19:30.22 | winther | Trollinator: Ok, I will give it a try |
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| 19:30.50 | asn | klync: No wlan references in ifconfig :x |
| 19:30.53 | asn | what's that? |
| 19:31.12 | Trollinator | winther: it doesn't do any compression though, the file will be just as large as the partition. |
| 19:31.32 | winther | Trollinator: thats ok. As long as it is mountable |
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| 19:31.46 | wols | asn: iwconfig -a |
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| 19:32.05 | Trollinator | winther: then use dd if=/dev/whatever of=partion_file_name |
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| 19:32.16 | Trollinator | unmount /dev/whatever first. |
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| 19:32.18 | hellues | nvidia is done |
| 19:32.20 | winther | Trollinator: thank you |
| 19:32.22 | hellues | ok hahahaha |
| 19:32.24 | hellues | is done |
| 19:32.26 | hellues | but |
| 19:32.41 | hellues | Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". |
| 19:32.41 | hellues | Segmentation fault |
| 19:32.48 | wols | !enter |
| 19:32.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 19:33.02 | Trollinator | hellues: when does this happen? |
| 19:33.02 | asn | wols: there is no -a switch to iwconfig. but well, I tried both with iwconfig and ipconfig -a, and no "wlan" is mentioned |
| 19:33.13 | hellues | before three second |
| 19:33.17 | wols | asn: the name is irrelevant |
| 19:33.22 | hellues | i change line driver as nvidia |
| 19:33.36 | wols | you don't recognize wlan interfaces at "wlanX" |
| 19:33.37 | DarkFlib | When I speak... I have a nasty habit of using ellipses... as it may be painfully obvious... |
| 19:33.39 | DarkFlib | :P |
| 19:33.43 | Trollinator | hellues: i mean, what did you do when it segfaulted? Was it X that segfaulted |
| 19:33.48 | Trollinator | ? |
| 19:33.51 | hellues | ha |
| 19:33.56 | wols | hellues: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 19:33.57 | asn | wols: Yeah I don't. There is eth0, eth1 and lo. |
| 19:34.06 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.10 | hellues | i made this |
| 19:34.46 | hellues | !paste |
| 19:34.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 19:35.02 | Trollinator | hellues: you changed the nv thing to nvidia, right? Did you already restart X.org? |
| 19:35.03 | asn | wols: iwlist eth1 scan, can see my essid. |
| 19:35.19 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48296 |
| 19:35.23 | wols | asn: so you now know which one is your wlan |
| 19:35.29 | hellues | pls llok at wols |
| 19:35.40 | hellues | result of your comman in here |
| 19:35.52 | hellues | Trollinator, |
| 19:35.54 | hellues | yes |
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| 19:35.58 | hellues | i did all of thig |
| 19:35.59 | asn | wols: Let me understand the term wlan. Is it my wireless network? My essid? |
| 19:36.02 | hellues | restart x |
| 19:36.09 | hellues | than restart debian |
| 19:36.21 | wols | hellues: what nvidia chip? |
| 19:36.28 | hellues | i saw nvidia icon before gdm starting |
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| 19:36.29 | Trollinator | hellues: so, your X.org works with the nvidia driver right now, does it? |
| 19:36.31 | hellues | hmm |
| 19:36.32 | wols | asn: yes |
| 19:36.39 | hellues | nvidia gforce 8400m |
| 19:36.50 | hellues | yes Trollinator |
| 19:36.58 | asn | wols: Then in my iwconfig, I can see the interface eth1 in my essid. |
| 19:37.03 | Trollinator | hellues: Ok, now what do you want to do? |
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| 19:37.05 | asn | I guess that's okay |
| 19:37.08 | wols | hellues: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 19:37.19 | hellues | wols |
| 19:37.22 | hellues | just a scond |
| 19:37.41 | wols | and stop using that damn enter key as punctuation as you#ve already been told! |
| 19:37.57 | `y7 | im on debian gnome, do i have sarge of etch? |
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| 19:38.14 | wols | !tell `y7 about version |
| 19:38.44 | babilen | `y7: best quote today :-) |
| 19:38.46 | hellues | wols, |
| 19:38.53 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48297 |
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| 19:39.01 | Trollinator | hellues: what are you trying to do= |
| 19:39.07 | Trollinator | Does nvidia-settings run? |
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| 19:39.34 | hellues | Trollinator, i want to learn the possible reason |
| 19:39.37 | hellues | Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". |
| 19:39.37 | hellues | Segmentation fault |
| 19:39.42 | yang_ | I have the following problem...I cannot connect my VOIP handset (192.168.2.3) to my PBX system (192.168.1.58) - http://openpaste.org/en/4938/ |
| 19:39.45 | hellues | i command nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:39.46 | asn | wols: any ideas? ;_; |
| 19:39.54 | hellues | what is the reason of this |
| 19:39.58 | bfrog | I noticed that lenny doesn't have nvidia binary drivers |
| 19:40.13 | bfrog | is that going to propogate down from unstable any time soon? |
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| 19:40.23 | hellues | Trollinator, |
| 19:40.26 | baloo | I've noticed debian doesn't have binary nvidia drivers. |
| 19:40.28 | Trollinator | hellues: there is hardly any way to tell the reason why the program segfaults without the source code of the said program. |
| 19:40.39 | `y7 | wols, that didn't tell me anything |
| 19:40.42 | Trollinator | baloo: it does. |
| 19:40.47 | `y7 | told me im running 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 19:40.48 | wols | yang_: it did |
| 19:40.52 | Trollinator | in non-free. |
| 19:40.52 | hellues | hmm |
| 19:40.52 | `y7 | and debian version 4.0 |
| 19:40.54 | wols | `y7: it did |
| 19:40.58 | `y7 | mentioned nothign about sarge or etch |
| 19:40.59 | baloo | OK, I've noticed debian doesn't have working binary nvidia drivers, at least in sid. |
| 19:41.00 | wols | !etch |
| 19:41.00 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 19:41.09 | `y7 | ok |
| 19:41.11 | `y7 | ty sir :) |
| 19:41.18 | Trollinator | baloo: i repeat: it does have nvidia drivers in non-free. |
| 19:41.32 | babilen | `y7: do "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 19:41.34 | wols | 169.07 nvidia drivers are very buggy yes |
| 19:41.37 | bfrog | Trollinator: what about for testing? I see old ones... like 87 or so |
| 19:41.42 | hellues | compiz work |
| 19:41.43 | hellues | :D |
| 19:41.43 | `y7 | 4.0 babilen |
| 19:41.44 | bfrog | not that new 16x ones |
| 19:41.46 | `y7 | it didn |
| 19:41.47 | wols | problem is, they might be the only drivers that recognize a 8400M |
| 19:41.48 | hellues | !paste |
| 19:41.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:41.50 | `y7 | didn't mention etch though |
| 19:41.51 | Trollinator | bfrog: packages.debian.org |
| 19:41.55 | Trollinator | i use unstable. |
| 19:41.57 | baloo | Trollinator: Yet, they don't work. For some reason, the Debian way of installing nVidia drivers manages to succeed in either not building or producing a module that doesn't work, gauranteed....I've never had any luck with that. |
| 19:42.00 | hellues | wols, |
| 19:42.05 | babilen | `y7: etch is 4.0 |
| 19:42.06 | hellues | what do you say |
| 19:42.06 | bfrog | Trollinator: I just looked at testing. |
| 19:42.10 | hellues | look at my xorg |
| 19:42.11 | `y7 | babilen, i know that now |
| 19:42.17 | `y7 | but at the time i didn't |
| 19:42.25 | yzaLyzarC | In screen, are you supposed to be 2 users on the same screen? |
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| 19:42.39 | Trollinator | hellues: you still didn't tell us what you're trying to achieve. |
| 19:42.39 | wols | yzaLyzarC: you can have a split screen |
| 19:42.55 | bfrog | Trollinator: they don't have nvidia-glx |
| 19:42.56 | hellues | i dont knฤฑow |
| 19:42.57 | Trollinator | baloo: i don't know, i always build those drivers myself. |
| 19:43.01 | yzaLyzarC | wols: SO I can see what the other guy is doing in real time? |
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| 19:43.05 | hellues | i wonna use compiz |
| 19:43.08 | hellues | and i use it |
| 19:43.10 | wols | Trollinator: running a 8400M with nvidia drivers 169.07 and a sid kernel |
| 19:43.11 | hellues | yehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:43.14 | hellues | muahhahahaha |
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| 19:43.24 | hellues | thanks everyone |
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| 19:44.00 | Trollinator | wols: well, it does seem to run, no? |
| 19:44.01 | hellues | i have two problem |
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| 19:44.07 | yoluca | iceweasel its a shit ... it keeps crashing when i watch videos on youtube ... any idea ? |
| 19:44.30 | wols | yoluca: yes. blame flash player |
| 19:44.35 | yoluca | Shockwave Flash its installed ... File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115 |
| 19:44.41 | hellues | my system recognize wireless card |
| 19:44.43 | yoluca | i wish i could |
| 19:44.49 | hellues | and recieve connection |
| 19:44.52 | yoluca | wols what can i do ? |
| 19:44.54 | wols | it's easy |
| 19:44.58 | wols | !blame flashplayer |
| 19:45.03 | Trollinator | hellues: so what's the problem? |
| 19:45.06 | hellues | bbut i cant connect |
| 19:45.18 | Trollinator | hellues: how are you trying to connnect? |
| 19:45.28 | hellues | with wifi radar |
| 19:45.32 | wols | Trollinator: hs problem is not understanding IRC. it's presunday any ways |
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| 19:45.49 | hellues | sorry |
| 19:45.54 | Trollinator | hellues: try network-manager |
| 19:46.01 | yoluca | wols any little help ? |
| 19:46.13 | hellues | Trollinator, network manager doesnt wok |
| 19:46.21 | hellues | Trollinator, network manager doesnt work |
| 19:46.22 | Trollinator | ah great. |
| 19:46.31 | hellues | why geat |
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| 19:46.49 | Trollinator | hellues: WLAN is a bitch on linux. |
| 19:46.56 | hellues | hahah |
| 19:47.20 | Trollinator | hellues: "please be more specific than 'doesn't work'" |
| 19:47.20 | wols | yoluca: start it all from a xterm and check for output like error messages |
| 19:47.27 | baloo | Trollinator: madwifi was super-easy to install... I recommend going with one of the cards in mainline or madwifi |
| 19:47.29 | hellues | okey |
| 19:47.49 | Trollinator | baloo: installing the driver is easy most of the time. |
| 19:48.02 | Trollinator | wpa_supplicant and so on are a bitch to use. |
| 19:48.04 | Trollinator | IMO. |
| 19:48.18 | baloo | kwlan handles the configuration. I don't even bother with wpa_supplicant, I don't have a use for WEP |
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| 19:48.38 | Trollinator | nobody has a use for WEP. |
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| 19:48.45 | hellues | Trollinator, my wireless card intel wireless 4965 my system recognize it and i recieve wireless connection i cannot connect this connection i dont recieeve ip from wlan0 |
| 19:48.48 | Trollinator | WEP can be cracked within minutes. |
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| 19:48.53 | baloo | Or WPA. |
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| 19:48.59 | wols | Nyle has great uses for WEP |
| 19:49.07 | Trollinator | Well i do need WPA2. |
| 19:49.30 | baloo | wireless encryption is entirely pointless to me as long as end-to-end encryption exists. |
| 19:49.38 | Trollinator | hellues: where are you from? |
| 19:49.42 | hellues | Trollinator, it is my problem and network-manager doesnt work |
| 19:49.45 | hellues | turkey |
| 19:49.56 | Trollinator | never mind then. |
| 19:49.59 | hellues | i am sorry if my english is not enough good :p |
| 19:50.09 | Trollinator | that is not a problem. |
| 19:50.16 | cizzi | how would I show how much of space a user has used from his quota? |
| 19:50.20 | cizzi | other than repquota command |
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| 19:50.23 | Trollinator | anyway, i won't to wlan debugging over IRC. |
| 19:50.37 | hellues | you wont what ? |
| 19:50.39 | `y7 | which desktop would you guys recommend? gnome, kde or something else? |
| 19:50.53 | wols | !start a deskop war |
| 19:50.54 | jelly-home | baloo: that works as long as you can only get to your VPN concentrator over the wireless (and not, say, the internet at large) |
| 19:51.06 | Trollinator | baloo: the point is not encrypting stuff, the point is to keep other people from using my Internet conection. |
| 19:51.09 | hellues | i dont knoew bug why nm doesnt work and why i cant connect with wlan0 |
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| 19:52.10 | Trollinator | hellues: please do "iwlist scan" and paste the output into a pastebin |
| 19:52.18 | hellues | ok |
| 19:52.35 | jelly-home | Trollinator: you can arrange a setup so you can only get to your VPN machine from the wireless, thus making it impossible to get to internet over it. |
| 19:53.25 | hellues | iwlist scan |
| 19:53.30 | yoluca | hmm not even automatix2 works in debian ... what a mess |
| 19:53.32 | hellues | command not found |
| 19:53.36 | hellues | shell said |
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| 19:54.06 | wols | yoluca: now no one will help you here |
| 19:54.07 | jelly-home | yoluca: even if it worked, you wouldn't get much support here for a system tainted by a third-party installer |
| 19:54.22 | hark | hellues: /sbin/iwlist scan |
| 19:54.24 | themill | !tell yoluca about automatix |
| 19:54.30 | wols | jelly-home: usually atuomatix installs shit it doesn't uninstall even if you tell it to |
| 19:54.42 | wols | only way to get rid of it is to reinstall. have a nice day yoluca |
| 19:54.50 | hellues | just a second |
| 19:54.55 | hellues | i forget to become root |
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| 19:55.09 | yoluca | wols to get rid of automatix or what ? |
| 19:55.16 | wols | yoluca: yes |
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| 19:55.38 | yoluca | wols really ? apt would not remove it ? |
| 19:55.51 | xlotlu | do i want to put 2 swap partitions under raid0, or simply swapon both of them? |
| 19:56.14 | abrotman | xlotlu: they get RAID0'ed anyways |
| 19:56.18 | abrotman | striped .. wahtever |
| 19:56.20 | themill | yoluca: if automatix was smart enough, it would use apt and then it would work OK. But it's a dumb PoS and does its best to break the rest of the debian (or ubuntu, for that matter) packaging system. |
| 19:56.56 | yoluca | dammm |
| 19:57.25 | yoluca | i couldnt get my flash plugin working properly so i had to give it a try with automatix :( |
| 19:57.40 | jelly-home | yoluca: now you know better. |
| 19:57.52 | jelly-home | themill: eh, one can make crappy packages too. I've had much fun trying to fix systems with dotdeb packages |
| 19:58.15 | themill | yoluca: "had to" is not correct. |
| 19:58.39 | themill | jelly-home: yeah, dotdeb packages tend to cause a lot of problems, particularly with upgrades from sarge to etch, from what I've seen. |
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| 19:59.17 | jelly-home | they don't care about uninstall/upgrade... backports and volatile do a much better job |
| 19:59.25 | yoluca | themill why not ? i asked for helo here with no success i did fallow what ever dpkg said and still couldnt get it to work properly ..firefox keeps crashing |
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| 20:00.22 | DragonD | anyone know of a single file httpd? like a simple httpd that just has an executible file and a conf file? |
| 20:00.32 | themill | yoluca: you need to work on your people skills then if you think this is a good way of asking for help:[19:44] <yoluca> iceweasel its a shit ... it keeps crashing when i watch videos on youtube ... any idea ? |
| 20:01.25 | karmatronic | yoluca, actually it s more of a flash pb |
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| 20:02.02 | Erik1 | abrotman: you put me out of my misery: 2.5 days worth of it: your suggestion a few hours ago about the nvidia one-liner gave me my debian back. Thnx A LOT :-) |
| 20:02.04 | jelly-home | DragonD: apache can be that; what are you trying to do? |
| 20:02.12 | abrotman | Erik1: enjoy! |
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| 20:07.59 | yoluca | themill yeah , you right ... my bad |
| 20:08.31 | DragonD | jelly-home: i'm tring to create a control panel to control apache/bind9 for now and add to it later, but i want it running from it's own process to it's not affected if something gets messes up in apache config |
| 20:09.19 | jelly-home | DragonD: so, run apache with a custom conf file (and a custom init script) |
| 20:09.58 | DragonD | jelly-home: that's one idea i guess |
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| 20:11.06 | bolt | how can I prevent the "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" message from showing up at the login prompt? |
| 20:11.20 | bolt | can I just disable the warning or ipv6 alltogether somehow? |
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| 20:12.05 | Trollinator | does linux-2.4.34 support IPv6? |
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| 20:12.59 | Eulex | Trollinator, *shrug*, it was never even in debian |
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| 20:13.24 | Eulex | bolt, you _can_ disable ipv6 by blacklisting the ipv6 module; /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:13.27 | Trollinator | it's on my wireless router. |
| 20:13.41 | hellues_ | Trollinator, there is a interesting one iwlist scan has no result in wlan0 but wifi-radar recieves two connection in wlan0 |
| 20:13.46 | hellues_ | what do yuo say |
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| 20:14.15 | mrrcp | hey is postfix a better mail server than exim? |
| 20:14.29 | Trollinator | hellues_: you don't happen to understand german, do you? |
| 20:14.31 | kirillov | hi need help after a lenny upgrade |
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| 20:14.39 | Trollinator | i know some good documentation in german... |
| 20:14.42 | kirillov | gdm don't start in automatic |
| 20:14.49 | hellues_ | i dont know german |
| 20:14.51 | Trollinator | mrrcp: what's wrong with exim? |
| 20:15.00 | Trollinator | hellues_: well, i can't help you. |
| 20:15.03 | mrrcp | jw what debian reccommends |
| 20:15.11 | hellues_ | ehmm |
| 20:15.18 | hellues_ | just say this |
| 20:15.58 | jelly-home | mrrcp: debian doesn't recommend anything. However, the default one is exim4. |
| 20:15.59 | hellues_ | while iwlist cant recieve any wireless connection |
| 20:15.59 | hellues_ | how wifi radar recieve this |
| 20:15.59 | jelly-home | mrrcp: as far as MTAs go, stick with what you know best. |
| 20:16.01 | Trollinator | I don't know. |
| 20:16.06 | hellues_ | hahaha |
| 20:16.09 | hellues_ | ok |
| 20:16.14 | hellues_ | well |
| 20:16.25 | hellues_ | i have one more problem in my sound card |
| 20:16.33 | kirillov | after a lenny upgrade gdm doesn't start in automatic mode.. the deamon is on |
| 20:17.04 | Trollinator | kirillov: does invoke-rc.d gdm start work? |
| 20:17.07 | kirillov | i've to start with "gdm" in root |
| 20:17.23 | hellues_ | Trollinator, my sound card Intel Corporation 82801H system recognized it but there is no sound |
| 20:17.44 | Trollinator | hellues_: i don't know. |
| 20:17.52 | Trollinator | ask someone else. |
| 20:17.56 | hellues_ | okey |
| 20:17.57 | kirillov | Trollinator: the deamon start up, i can see the line gdmstart and stuff after boot |
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| 20:18.21 | kirillov | the problem is that i've to login in root and do "gdm" command |
| 20:18.36 | jelly-home | hellues_: is the card visible in /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| 20:18.44 | mrrcp | im wondering how easy it is to get clam and spamassassin to work with exim4 |
| 20:18.45 | kirillov | after that all is ok, but i want it automatic login |
| 20:18.49 | mrrcp | or should i just go with post |
| 20:18.56 | Trollinator | kirillov: does "invoke-rc.d gdm start" or "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" work? |
| 20:19.00 | wols | mrrcp: either cone works |
| 20:19.11 | Trollinator | If it does, there's no major problem. |
| 20:19.30 | wols | krifur: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm |
| 20:19.35 | die7_ | some one use nagedit on debian |
| 20:19.36 | jelly-home | wols: chocolate is obviously better. |
| 20:19.38 | Trollinator | use for example sysv-rc-conf to put gdm back into the default runlevel. |
| 20:19.41 | kirillov | Trollinator: Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "start" failed. |
| 20:19.49 | mrrcp | wols you know a site that might help me? |
| 20:19.50 | enouf | Trollinator: it apperars he wants his user to autologin i guess |
| 20:20.12 | wols | mrrcp: personally I use postfix |
| 20:20.28 | kirillov | it was ok BEFORE yesterday lenny upgrade |
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| 20:20.40 | enouf | kirillov: what's cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? |
| 20:20.42 | Trollinator | enouf: He clearly stated that he needs to run gdm by hand. |
| 20:20.43 | mrrcp | yea i have been also |
| 20:20.58 | enouf | Trollinator: right, hence no autologin |
| 20:21.00 | mrrcp | but i cant get clam workin correct |
| 20:21.05 | bolt | I am trying to make my console run in 1024x768 from boot time. I queried dpkg (the bot) and asked about it and got to "hwinfo --framebuffer". However, when I run that command, it prints a lot of stuff which immediately disappears (it prints the lines on top of eachother before going away) so I don't get to see anything. Help? |
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| 20:21.14 | kirillov | enouf: /usr/bin/gdm |
| 20:21.20 | Trollinator | enouf: what does this have to do with autologin? |
| 20:21.32 | Trollinator | He just wants gdm to start automatically. |
| 20:21.35 | kirillov | gdm is installed |
| 20:21.37 | enouf | what does what have to do with autologin? |
| 20:21.44 | kirillov | the daemon is working |
| 20:21.48 | enouf | no, he wants to sutologin |
| 20:21.52 | enouf | er auto |
| 20:22.08 | Trollinator | enouf: he never said that! |
| 20:22.12 | enouf | kirillov: try dpkg-reconfigure gdm, select it and save |
| 20:22.16 | kirillov | but i've to login in root in console and type gdm |
| 20:22.18 | Trollinator | He just doesn't want to run gdm by hand! |
| 20:22.21 | enouf | Trollinator: read the scrollback |
| 20:22.28 | Trollinator | enouf: you read the scrollback! |
| 20:22.53 | enouf | ok, i did, you're wrong |
| 20:23.03 | enouf | now it's your turn |
| 20:23.07 | kirillov | please.. |
| 20:23.19 | Trollinator | The problem is _not_ that he wants to log in automatically but that he wants gdm to start automatically. Logging in != starting gdm. idiot... |
| 20:23.29 | kirillov | give me help, don't fight each other :D |
| 20:23.45 | enouf | ok b0z0, you're a fucken moron |
| 20:23.57 | enouf | Trollinator: learn to read you dipschitt |
| 20:24.21 | Trollinator | enouf: where and when did he _ever_ mention auto-login? |
| 20:24.26 | Trollinator | crackpipe... |
| 20:24.27 | mrrcp | wols; do u use clam and spamassassin |
| 20:24.28 | mrrcp | ? |
| 20:24.36 | enouf | kirillov: your turn |
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| 20:24.53 | kirillov | Trollinator: the weird thing is that gdm start after boot, i can see it |
| 20:25.06 | enouf | 15:15:08] <kirillov> after that all is ok, but i want it automatic login <-- there dumbass |
| 20:25.09 | kirillov | the deamon i mean |
| 20:25.15 | Trollinator | that is strange indeed. |
| 20:25.33 | Trollinator | aneka: he means that he wants the login promt to start automatically. |
| 20:25.47 | kirillov | it was ok before lenny upgrade |
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| 20:26.39 | jelly-home | kirillov: so does gdm start at all at boot? Do you get the graphical screen (never mind the not-working autologin for the moment)? |
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| 20:27.08 | kirillov | jelly-home: not the graphical mode.. i can see the line "gdmstarting etc.." |
| 20:27.16 | enouf | kirillov: what's grep id:2 /etc/inittab say? |
| 20:27.17 | aneka | trollinator: i am not sure what you are talking about |
| 20:27.17 | hellues_ | hey |
| 20:27.21 | jelly-home | kirillov: ok. |
| 20:27.33 | Trollinator | aneka: sorry, i meant to highlight enouf. |
| 20:27.38 | kirillov | if i type /etc/init.d/gdm start it is already on |
| 20:27.39 | aneka | that's cool, thanks |
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| 20:27.58 | Trollinator | thanks for what!? |
| 20:28.01 | Trollinator | :) |
| 20:28.01 | jelly-home | kirillov: what does "ps -fe|grep gdm" say (before you run it manually)? |
| 20:28.15 | kirillov | enouf: id:2:initdefault: |
| 20:28.22 | enouf | kirillov: good |
| 20:28.41 | Trollinator | jelly-home: [21:27:39] <kirillov> if i type /etc/init.d/gdm start it is already on |
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| 20:28.53 | kirillov | jelly-home i've to kill x to know it |
| 20:28.53 | jelly-home | Trollinator: that is not the answer to kmy question. |
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| 20:29.28 | enouf | kirillov: do you have an ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file ? |
| 20:29.31 | jelly-home | kirillov: sure; and possibly reboot to get to the real initial state |
| 20:30.00 | jelly-home | kirillov: you can use irssi or some other text-mode irc client |
| 20:30.29 | kirillov | jelly-home i've to install it and learn it |
| 20:30.30 | enouf | it seems like whatever is not authenticating through PAM /etc/pam.d/login |
| 20:30.51 | yzaLyzarC | How do I autologg out people after 4 houres inactivity? |
| 20:30.53 | jelly-home | kirillov: yep. |
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| 20:31.11 | kirillov | jelly-home i'm killink x and gdm.. |
| 20:31.21 | enouf | it's starting, but not appearing because it's not authenticating - some issue with the /etc/X11/Xsession* files |
| 20:31.27 | kirillov | i'll write the answere ona sheet |
| 20:31.31 | kirillov | :D |
| 20:31.56 | enouf | kirillov: i would do a shutdown -rF now to force a fsck, and also update and upgrade again |
| 20:31.59 | jelly-home | kirillov: eh, running irssi is not THAT hard ya know |
| 20:32.16 | kirillov | irssi? |
| 20:32.21 | kirillov | ok i'll try it |
| 20:32.25 | kirillov | wait :) |
| 20:32.29 | jelly-home | enouf: fsck?? |
| 20:32.29 | enouf | stupid gnome and DMs |
| 20:32.36 | enouf | yes fsck |
| 20:32.40 | jelly-home | enouf: why? |
| 20:32.44 | enouf | why not? |
| 20:32.59 | jelly-home | what purpose would it serve? |
| 20:33.07 | jelly-home | in this context |
| 20:33.14 | enouf | let's wait and see |
| 20:33.25 | kirillov | jelly-home : the package name os irssi? |
| 20:33.30 | kirillov | of |
| 20:33.57 | jelly-home | um... "irssi" |
| 20:34.04 | kirillov | sure |
| 20:34.10 | kirillov | i wrote irrsi |
| 20:34.10 | jelly-home | enouf: no really, I don't get it. |
| 20:34.12 | kirillov | :D |
| 20:34.42 | enouf | there are many bits of info unknown, i'm covering bases |
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| 20:35.10 | jelly-home | was there any mention of failed upgrades or fs issues that I missed? |
| 20:35.39 | enouf | have you never met an irc questioner that forgot to mention something? |
| 20:36.03 | enouf | i know some that get paid well to purposefuly not mention somethings |
| 20:36.08 | jelly-home | Yes. I wouldn't recommend fsck just for the heck of it anyway |
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| 20:37.02 | enouf | i would and did - if it fails now, think about when it's really necessary |
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| 20:37.34 | \amethyst | enouf: perhaps you should put in the topic for everyone to run fsck before they ask questions? |
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| 20:38.11 | enouf | it's not appropriate for every case ofcourse .. |
| 20:38.19 | jelly-home | enouf: but what reason do you have for fsck here? Were there any funky dmesgs, io errors, something pointing to suspicious hardware? |
| 20:38.57 | enouf | \amethyst: and no, i think your idea is foolish, but go ahead and offer it since you feel so very partial to it |
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| 20:39.30 | enouf | too bad - grow a brain |
| 20:39.40 | HockeyInJune | When KDE crashes completely, mouse moves but nothing is responsive, is there anyway I can get back to my Virtual Console without forcing a shutdown? |
| 20:39.50 | gigo | when I leave the laptop unattended for a long time, the GNome automatically locks and I have to enter my password to login again. how can I stop this from happening? |
| 20:39.56 | yoluca | doesnt iceweasel seems that iceweasel loads the pages slower then firefox ? ... |
| 20:40.02 | Trollinator | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:40.03 | enouf | i guess your sheeple ass is showing |
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| 20:40.15 | \amethyst | WTF? |
| 20:40.37 | \amethyst | so not everyone should run fsck, but kirillon should, and anyone who disagrees is a sheep? |
| 20:41.10 | alien | lol |
| 20:41.15 | HockeyInJune | Trollinator: Was that for me? If it was, it did not work. |
| 20:41.19 | alien | ^^ who disagrees is a sheep |
| 20:41.43 | gigo | what did \amethyst say and why? and why did he quit immediately after telling? |
| 20:41.46 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: it was. ctrl-alt-backspace is a somewhat forced killage of X |
| 20:42.23 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: try this: alt-sysrq-r ... then try ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 20:42.24 | HockeyInJune | hmm, it is not working, should it be working? I mean, does that usually work all the time? |
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| 20:43.12 | HockeyInJune | :O That last one worked :) |
| 20:43.18 | HockeyInJune | What does it do? |
| 20:43.22 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: the results of ctrl-alt-backspace can be stalled for minutes if the machine is eg. heavily swapping |
| 20:43.49 | mrrcp | if i apt-get install spamassassin will it auto scan emails right after install or do i need to config it |
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| 20:44.12 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: the sysrq-r bit swtiches the keyboard to a more sane state then what X likes. then ctrl-alt-f1 changes to console |
| 20:44.13 | newyork | hi |
| 20:44.28 | jelly-home | s/then/than/ |
| 20:45.04 | abrotman | mrrcp: you need to configure your SMTP server IIRC |
| 20:45.05 | HockeyInJune | Wow, cool |
| 20:45.16 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: you can now log in at console and try killing X from there (kdm probably, or even the X process itself) |
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| 20:45.36 | newyork | when somebody want to install debian offline, which of this cd's does he need? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 20:45.36 | HockeyInJune | yeah, I have startx running on tty2, so I just killed that |
| 20:45.47 | abrotman | newyork: depends how many packages you need |
| 20:45.48 | yoluca | what package do i need to be able to browser local network shared windows folders ? |
| 20:46.00 | abrotman | smbclient |
| 20:46.14 | abrotman | newyork: the first CD is sufficient to get a working isntall with X |
| 20:46.20 | abrotman | newyork: in most cases anyways |
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| 20:46.53 | yoluca | abrotman thanks |
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| 20:47.00 | newyork | so the more cds he has the more applications can he install in offline mode? |
| 20:47.11 | Trollinator | yes. |
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| 20:47.26 | newyork | ah okay thanky guys |
| 20:47.40 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 20:47.40 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
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| 20:48.33 | newyork | ah cool, thanks |
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| 20:50.10 | yoluca | abrotman i cannot see anything while i broser to smb:/// |
| 20:50.23 | abrotman | in what? |
| 20:50.51 | yoluca | abrotman nautilus |
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| 20:51.02 | abrotman | known bug |
| 20:51.18 | mrrcp | if im using postfix i can remove all of exim4 correct? |
| 20:53.06 | jelly-home | mrrcp: correct. Debian won't really allow you having two mail transport agents installed at the same time |
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| 20:54.25 | mrrcp | i get -su: mail: command not found |
| 20:54.31 | mrrcp | with i removed exim4 |
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| 20:54.48 | mrrcp | apt-get remove --purge exim4* |
| 20:54.52 | mrrcp | is what i did |
| 20:55.11 | enouf | alien: some fuckwads arwe so elitist they feel they need to question everybody else's intentions around them, they demand an explanation of what's going on in your mind, and when you refuse to play their little schoolgirl game, they go running away screaming after being spanked ;-) thats all, no worries |
| 20:55.39 | ManuP | hi. is there a know bug with evolution and gmail-accounts? since i updated evolution (automatically) i cant send/receive mails via my gmail.com account. |
| 20:55.46 | ManuP | why that? |
| 20:55.57 | enouf | alien: and then there's jealousy, but i don't need to explain that ;-) |
| 20:56.18 | alien | wkk |
| 20:56.18 | jelly-home | mrrcp: no need to do that; apt-get install postfix would have removed (most of?) exim in the process |
| 20:56.20 | alien | wlllttt |
| 20:56.25 | alien | wooot wooott |
| 20:56.35 | alien | why am i being talked to -----> enouf |
| 20:56.44 | jelly-home | enouf: you're unusually bitchy today |
| 20:56.50 | alien | lol |
| 20:56.53 | alien | enouf is a stunna |
| 20:57.43 | wols | enouf: we didn't trade personalities, did we? |
| 20:57.44 | enouf | jelly-home: and you should really clean the sand from your vagina |
| 20:58.18 | enouf | alien: no prob, you asked about something up there... i answered you ;-) |
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| 20:58.24 | wols | !tell mrrcp about search |
| 20:58.36 | alien | enouf: =))) |
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| 21:01.53 | John_Scrotum | How do I get my Mac to SSH to a Debian system with MacSSH? |
| 21:02.26 | Trollinator | Is there a nicer method for getting a literal null byte than $(echo -e '\0')? |
| 21:02.47 | TheOnly | I believe there's a bug in ifupdown in lenny. Appending a few post-up lines for adding additional ips in /etc/network/interfaces does NOT work on startup |
| 21:02.51 | Trollinator | John_Scrotum: by learning how to use it. |
| 21:03.08 | TheOnly | the interface is brought up however |
| 21:03.19 | John_Scrotum | I generate the keys. I copy the public key to the debian box. I cat pubkey >> authorised_keys. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:03.37 | `y7 | does sudoers come installed with debian? |
| 21:03.56 | jelly-home | `y7: no, you have to install sudo and set it up. |
| 21:04.05 | Trollinator | John_Scrotum: use ssh-copy-id -i your-public-key.pub username@host |
| 21:04.08 | `y7 | how can i uninstall it because i messed up my sudoers file |
| 21:04.15 | `y7 | apt-get remove sudoers didn't work |
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| 21:04.40 | jelly-home | `y7: something like apt-get --purge remove sudo && apt-get install sudo |
| 21:04.43 | Trollinator | `y7: un-mess it up then. |
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| 21:05.08 | `y7 | Trollinator, that's what im attempting to do by reinstallign :\ |
| 21:05.09 | nate2 | hey im trying to rsync a list of files to a server would i want to use --include-from=$FILE or --files-from ? |
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| 21:05.43 | nate2 | my files-to-include file has like a list 1 file per line of like /home/user/foo/bar/file1 then /home/user/foo/bar/file2 etc |
| 21:05.52 | Trollinator | `y7: just put this in your sudoers: |
| 21:05.54 | Trollinator | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:05.54 | Trollinator | %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:06.00 | abrotman | useless ... |
| 21:06.02 | Trollinator | then you're fine. |
| 21:06.03 | nate2 | im trying rsync -av --files-from=$filename-with-list $user@$server:$path but not working |
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| 21:06.36 | `y7 | Trollinator, i was told to put the username ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:06.37 | Trollinator | TheOnly: there is this wonderful tool called reportbug-ng. |
| 21:06.39 | `y7 | is that incorrect? |
| 21:06.47 | jelly-home | `y7: that is not incorrect. |
| 21:06.51 | `y7 | ok |
| 21:06.59 | `y7 | does %sudo just allow all users to use the sudo cmd? |
| 21:07.24 | Trollinator | it allows all users in the sudo group to use sudo. |
| 21:07.25 | jelly-home | Trollinator: what purpose does making sudo available to root serve, btw? |
| 21:07.41 | TheOnly | Trollinator, I am aware of it... I just want to make sure that the problem is within this package before I sent out a stupid bug report that would be a rather invalid one |
| 21:07.45 | nate2 | anyone know how to do that? |
| 21:07.47 | Trollinator | jelly-home: well it doesn't break anything either. |
| 21:07.53 | TheOnly | the whole idea is to be able to recreate the problem |
| 21:08.12 | Trollinator | true... |
| 21:08.32 | `y7 | i was told you have to edit sudoers exactly |
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| 21:08.40 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
| 21:08.41 | nate2 | n/m |
| 21:08.43 | `y7 | yet it has a half tab, if you will, and i cannot recreate that character |
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| 21:08.51 | `y7 | i tried copy/paste and it just inserted spaces |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | puika: go away |
| 21:08.58 | jelly-home | puika: no spamming |
| 21:09.05 | Trollinator | someone might have put sudo commands in a script. And when you execute those as root, it won't work. |
| 21:09.08 | Trollinator | i think. |
| 21:09.17 | Trollinator | so you might as well allow sudo for rootl. |
| 21:09.32 | jelly-home | makes sense |
| 21:09.34 | `y7 | it already has "root ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 21:09.36 | Trollinator | -l |
| 21:09.41 | `y7 | i wa stold to insert it per user below root |
| 21:09.42 | `y7 | no? |
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| 21:09.53 | jelly-home | `y7: tis' good, ya |
| 21:09.57 | Trollinator | `y7: you can do that too. |
| 21:09.57 | `y7 | ok |
| 21:10.08 | `y7 | so how do i recreate the 3-spaced tab that comes default in the file? |
| 21:10.09 | Trollinator | Why do you say your sudoers is messed up anyway? |
| 21:10.16 | jelly-home | `y7: press TAB |
| 21:10.21 | `y7 | because wiki says you need to edit it with Vi |
| 21:10.27 | Trollinator | `y7: Bullshit |
| 21:10.31 | Trollinator | Vi is terrible. |
| 21:10.37 | `y7 | You can configure Sudo by modifying the Sudoers file using Visudo. Visudo is installed on your system when you install the Sudo package. Switch to the Superuser with Su or login as the Root user. Open a terminal window if you are working in X. |
| 21:10.38 | bolt | how can I get my display to run at 1024x768 as soon as possible after boot? |
| 21:10.43 | Trollinator | use e. g. nano. |
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| 21:10.47 | DustyBin | jeeze could this be due to terrorists: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7222536.stm |
| 21:10.54 | `y7 | i was using joe |
| 21:10.59 | trunix | hey, my vi/vim doesn't reconize C language ? any suggestions? |
| 21:11.00 | `y7 | cause i know how to save and exit with that program :\ |
| 21:11.00 | jelly-home | `y7: the "visudo" command will use whatever editor you like |
| 21:11.10 | `y7 | is joe sufficient? |
| 21:11.12 | Trollinator | `y7: do this: export EDITOR=joe; visudo |
| 21:11.24 | jelly-home | `y7: if you set the env.variable EDITOR like Trollinator says |
| 21:11.36 | `y7 | omg, you guys are all over the place ;( |
| 21:11.39 | epsilon | i use jed |
| 21:11.41 | `y7 | i have no idea what im doing :( |
| 21:12.01 | xingu | DustyBin: ot - but doubtful, happens all the time. |
| 21:12.05 | Trollinator | why? what do you not understand? |
| 21:12.12 | epsilon | bolt: you mean framebuffer? |
| 21:12.14 | `y7 | would joe work to modify soduers? |
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| 21:12.51 | ``y7 | if joe works to modify sudoers, then i can get that far |
| 21:12.57 | ``y7 | then i have to figure out how to use the sudo cmd |
| 21:13.18 | jelly-home | ``y7: it definitely would work. |
| 21:13.31 | ``y7 | "It is unwise to try and use an ordinary text editor to compose or edit the Sudoers file. There is a customised version of Vi called Visudo which helps prevent you making dangerous changes to /etc/sudoers." |
| 21:13.34 | ``y7 | ok |
| 21:13.40 | ``y7 | now that we've established it would work |
| 21:13.44 | Trollinator | ``y7: visudo just does the following: It calls the editor that is specified in the EDITOR environment variable and opens /etc/sudoers. Then,when you close the editor, it does some black magic that i don |
| 21:13.47 | ``y7 | it has four spaces between root and ALL |
| 21:13.50 | ``y7 | BUT |
| 21:13.51 | bolt | epsilon: perhaps. I tried just using the vga= option at boot, but that only changed font size. this is a laptop, and running at 640x480 doesn't fill the screen so it looks stupid. i've seen a few livecd's run at higher resolution while booting. wondering how to do that. |
| 21:13.51 | Trollinator | 't know |
| 21:14.00 | ``y7 | when i scroll, it's only a space and then a 3 space jump |
| 21:14.05 | jelly-home | ``y7: that explanation is oversimplified, if not wrong. |
| 21:14.05 | Trollinator | so, just export EDITOR=joe |
| 21:14.08 | ``y7 | so can i just put four spaces in when i insert the user below? |
| 21:14.15 | Trollinator | and then visudo |
| 21:14.23 | Trollinator | and you're fine |
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| 21:14.41 | ``y7 | what does exporting do though? |
| 21:14.45 | ``y7 | that doesn't delete the program, does it? |
| 21:14.55 | jelly-home | ``y7: no. |
| 21:15.10 | ``y7 | ok |
| 21:15.14 | ``y7 | i exported both editors |
| 21:15.18 | trunix | ? |
| 21:15.20 | ``y7 | now can i modify /etc/sudoers? |
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| 21:15.38 | Trollinator | ``y7: use visudo to do that. |
| 21:15.52 | Trollinator | if EDITOR is set to joe, visudo will start joe |
| 21:15.53 | ``y7 | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:15.53 | ``y7 | y7deluxe ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:15.55 | ``y7 | ^correct? |
| 21:16.03 | Trollinator | that's fine. |
| 21:16.07 | abrotman | ``y7: i'm going to smash your damn enter key |
| 21:16.09 | ``y7 | why can't i just use joe if it's set to joe? |
| 21:16.26 | Trollinator | ``y7: visudo doesn't just run the editor |
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| 21:16.33 | ``y7 | abrotman, im sorry. ill try to type all in one line. i try to type at peoples reading speeds so they don't get tired of waiting for me to finish. |
| 21:16.34 | Trollinator | it also does syntax check and similar. |
| 21:16.41 | trunix | hey, my vi/vim doesn't reconize C language ? any suggestions? |
| 21:16.42 | ``y7 | i guess that's for other channels and not #debian. :\ |
| 21:16.43 | hark | root? |
| 21:17.30 | jelly-home | trunix: :syntax on ? |
| 21:17.46 | ``y7 | "usage: visudo [-c] [-f sudoers] p-q] [-s] [-V] |
| 21:17.49 | trunix | jelly-home: will check it |
| 21:18.08 | Trollinator | ``y7: what command exactly did you run? |
| 21:18.11 | ``y7 | why can't i just use joe if you guys said it would work? |
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| 21:18.15 | trunix | jelly-home: No Syntax items defined for this buffer |
| 21:18.17 | ``y7 | "visudo /etc/sudoers" |
| 21:18.27 | Trollinator | ``y7: it's just visudo. |
| 21:18.30 | Trollinator | no arguments. |
| 21:18.35 | jelly-home | trunix: is the filename *.c or *.h? |
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| 21:18.48 | ``y7 | "visudo: sudoers file unchanged" |
| 21:18.57 | bolt | I'm trying to use the vga=791 option at boot, but grub tells me "you passed an undefined mode number"... How can I get framebuffer working properly? |
| 21:19.00 | jelly-home | ``y7: echo $EDITOR |
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| 21:19.09 | trunix | jelly-home: yea |
| 21:19.14 | ross` | what's the ssh server package for debian |
| 21:19.25 | trunix | ross`: sshd |
| 21:19.32 | jelly-home | trunix: no idea; hopefully someone who really uses vim will take over :-) |
| 21:19.37 | ``y7 | jelly-home: visudo |
| 21:19.38 | trunix | jelly-home: ok :) |
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| 21:19.45 | jelly-home | ``y7: dude, NO |
| 21:19.53 | Trollinator | ``y7: are you really such a retard? |
| 21:19.53 | jelly-home | ``y7: export EDITOR=joe |
| 21:20.01 | Trollinator | export EDITOR=joe |
| 21:20.06 | Trollinator | and then visudo |
| 21:20.09 | Trollinator | there you go. |
| 21:20.16 | y7 | debian:/home/y7deluxe# echo $EDITOR |
| 21:20.16 | y7 | visudo |
| 21:20.16 | y7 | debian:/home/y7deluxe# export EDITOR-joe |
| 21:20.16 | y7 | bash: export: `EDITOR-joe': not a valid identifier |
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| 21:20.25 | abrotman | ross`: openssh-server |
| 21:20.31 | enouf | lmao |
| 21:20.38 | jelly-home | hopefully he won't know hpw to come back :-> |
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| 21:20.52 | Trollinator | ah fuck it. |
| 21:20.54 | ``y7 | lolz |
| 21:21.03 | ``y7 | two accounts jelly-home, but thx anyways :) |
| 21:21.15 | ``y7 | i exported joe |
| 21:21.15 | jelly-home | ``y7: "visudo" isn't a real editor. It's a wrapper that calls your real editor. |
| 21:21.19 | Trollinator | ``y7: you do know what the difference between = and - is, don't you? |
| 21:21.33 | ``y7 | ah |
| 21:21.36 | ross` | Knight_Lord: |
| 21:21.39 | ``y7 | sorry |
| 21:21.42 | ross` | oops |
| 21:22.13 | ``y7 | ok, it worked. I'm now in the file sudoers using joe |
| 21:22.34 | trunix | anyone who know wya my vim doesn't reconize C ? |
| 21:22.52 | Trollinator | trunix: just use a better editor |
| 21:22.56 | jelly-home | ``y7: copy the root line, paste it again below, replace "root" with your user, save. |
| 21:23.00 | ``y7 | i didn't know what you guys were getting me to do. i was using joe /etc/sudoers, and i didn't know you could set a default txt editor that allows you to type the file name and open without specifying the editor |
| 21:23.31 | trunix | Trollinator: like ? and i like vi/vim btw |
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| 21:23.45 | Trollinator | well, just use the BEST editor. |
| 21:23.47 | ``y7 | ok, it's saved. i need to log out of root and try from my user account now? |
| 21:23.54 | jelly-home | ``y7: "visudo" is used because it does a little more than just running the editor, and it is used _solely_ to edit /etc/sudoers |
| 21:24.22 | ``y7 | so joe is running under visudo? |
| 21:24.28 | jelly-home | ``y7: yes |
| 21:24.31 | sco50000 | how do i manage my 2 monitors seperately? how can i set the resolution of each seperatly? |
| 21:24.31 | Trollinator | emacs, that is. |
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| 21:24.34 | ``y7 | ok |
| 21:24.50 | trunix | Trollinator: I will check it out |
| 21:25.09 | mslot | Hello there. Im wondering. Is it possible to get elisa with etch, even though elisa, is in the unstable repo? |
| 21:25.11 | ``y7 | so from here on out, should i not use joe to start txt editing, i should just type the file name and allow it to open under visudo? |
| 21:25.17 | ``y7 | or is visudo only for sudoers? |
| 21:25.24 | abrotman | ENTER! |
| 21:25.25 | jelly-home | ``y7: that's only for sudoers |
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| 21:25.35 | Trollinator | ``y7: you really are a moron... |
| 21:25.50 | ``y7 | ok |
| 21:26.01 | ``y7 | got it, and thanks for the help and sorry for pissing you guys off, especially you abrotman :\ |
| 21:26.02 | Aces1up | how do i set a static ip on boot? |
| 21:26.16 | wols | Aces1up: man interfaces |
| 21:26.17 | Aces1up | is it /etc/interface or something like that? |
| 21:26.19 | Aces1up | k |
| 21:26.20 | Trollinator | ``y7: jelly-home told you two minutes ago that visudo is _only_ for /etc/sudoers. |
| 21:26.33 | Trollinator | Aces1up: yes, it's there. |
| 21:26.42 | wols | Trollinator: not really |
| 21:26.55 | ``y7 | i've only had debian installed for 2 days |
| 21:27.09 | Trollinator | Aces1up: read man 5 interfaces |
| 21:27.09 | wols | !tell y7 about grounding |
| 21:27.20 | wols | and having it only installed recently doesn't mean you can leave your brain at home |
| 21:27.39 | Trollinator | ``y7: that doesn't stop you from reading what other people tell you, doesn't it? |
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| 21:28.12 | ``y7 | no, im just trying my best and that's not up to par with you guys ;( |
| 21:28.33 | Trollinator | ah, never mind. We all have our segfaults. |
| 21:28.36 | Trollinator | err.... |
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| 21:29.43 | jelly-home | ``y7: also, http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide for a somewhat decent shell guide |
| 21:30.06 | sco50000 | how do i manage my 2 monitors seperately? how can i set the resolution of each seperatly? |
| 21:30.08 | webmin | Hi, i just installed debian and i'm having a problema with "deb" command... i type deb --help and i get the following message: "deb: command not found" any guesses? |
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| 21:30.11 | trunix | Trollinator: can emacs also run just in a terminal ? |
| 21:30.18 | Trollinator | yes. |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | webmin: that's not a command |
| 21:30.23 | mslot | trunix: yes |
| 21:30.28 | mslot | emacs-nox |
| 21:30.32 | trunix | k ty |
| 21:30.38 | ``y7 | jelly-home: would you recommend wooledge.org over this one... http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/How_to_configure_Sudo_to_run_programs_as_a_different_user |
| 21:30.41 | Trollinator | mslot: what's that? |
| 21:30.47 | Trollinator | regular emacs can do that tool |
| 21:30.49 | Trollinator | -l |
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| 21:31.08 | jelly-home | ``y7: the one you showed is a howto to do one specific thing |
| 21:31.08 | trunix | mslot: apt can't find it |
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| 21:31.34 | ``y7 | jelly-home: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Debian_newbie_help_documentation |
| 21:31.39 | mslot | try searching for emacs21-nox |
| 21:31.52 | trunix | mslot: k |
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| 21:32.00 | jelly-home | ``y7: to be safe, read all :-) |
| 21:32.12 | ``y7 | lolz, ok. thanks again for the help. |
| 21:32.25 | webmin | abrotman: my bad, i was abviously misunderstand deb with dpkg... heh, just migrated from slackware to debian heh |
| 21:32.25 | mslot | Now. Can I fetch a package from sid, to my etch? |
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| 21:32.55 | abrotman | !tell webmin about refcard |
| 21:33.01 | abrotman | mslot: you don't want to |
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| 21:33.44 | drwahl_ | i have a gateway t1616 and i am having a hardtime finding the chipset of the wireless. are there any tools that might help identify the chipset? |
| 21:34.04 | mslot | abrotman: Why? Tell me. Im not very into that. Even though I have run Debian for almost 2 years now. |
| 21:34.23 | Trollinator | drwahl_: perhaps lspci? |
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| 21:34.33 | mslot | I want a program, elisa. But its only in unstable. |
| 21:34.39 | wols | !tell mslot about bobbitt |
| 21:34.51 | abrotman | mslot: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:34.57 | webmin | abrotman: thx dude, will read about it! |
| 21:35.00 | drwahl_ | lspci doesnt show the wireless nic (from what i can tell). hwinfo seems to at least recognize there there is a 2nd nic, but it doesnt specify the chipset |
| 21:35.28 | wols | drwahl_: how is your NICK connected to the PC? |
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| 21:35.38 | mslot | Dont know Lorena Bobbit :) |
| 21:35.45 | drwahl_ | its a laptop, so its internal |
| 21:35.46 | Trollinator | wols: NIC = Network Interface Card |
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| 21:36.11 | amphi | drwahl_: did you do update-pciids? |
| 21:36.12 | ratamahatta | GERONIMO! |
| 21:36.13 | wols | drwahl_: it still is connected somewhow logically. HOW? |
| 21:36.14 | drwahl_ | i would have to guess pci if its internal |
| 21:36.25 | drwahl_ | lemme do update-pciids again (just for the heck of it...) |
| 21:36.25 | bolt | is there a way to get colors in the console at boot time in debian? like, run the entire thing through ccze or something? |
| 21:36.31 | wols | if it is PCI, it shows up in lspci. QED |
| 21:36.43 | mslot | Oh so I can build an deb package, from a sid package, and then install it on my etch? |
| 21:36.54 | ratamahatta | ratamahatta says HI |
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| 21:37.09 | wols | ratamahatta: do you have a debian related quesion? |
| 21:37.16 | wols | *question |
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| 21:37.37 | ratamahatta | wols: ofcourse i have a debian related question ! |
| 21:37.40 | drwahl_ | wols: update-pciids and lspci still doesnt show it in lspci |
| 21:37.46 | Trollinator | ratamahatta: then shoot. |
| 21:37.48 | wols | drwahl_: then it's no pci device |
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| 21:37.51 | drwahl_ | the only one it shows is the hardwired network |
| 21:37.59 | amphi | drwahl_: and no 'unknown device'? |
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| 21:38.20 | Trollinator | I'd just go for ndiswrapper. |
| 21:38.35 | ratamahatta | when installing winblowz ex pee on debian qemu crashes KDE , why is that ? |
| 21:38.40 | amphi | that's disgusting |
| 21:38.55 | drwahl_ | http://pastebin.com/m1fb5c737 |
| 21:38.58 | drwahl_ | that is the lspci |
| 21:38.59 | Trollinator | amphi: well, it works. |
| 21:39.03 | abrotman | ratamahatta: #qemu |
| 21:39.09 | Trollinator | rather well, actually |
| 21:39.09 | wols | !tell ratamahatta about errors |
| 21:39.13 | amphi | Trollinator: so I here |
| 21:39.16 | amphi | er, hear |
| 21:39.44 | Trollinator | a friend of mine has this crappy NIC. It won't work on Windows, but it does on Linux with ndiswrapper, lol |
| 21:39.46 | Aces1up | where is the interfaces file located? can't find it in /etc/interfaces |
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| 21:39.59 | Trollinator | Aces1up: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:40.13 | wols | Aces1up: man interfaces |
| 21:41.14 | wols | drwahl_: there is no PCI wlan. there. can you finnaly enlighten us what lshw or whateevr says about it? |
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| 21:42.53 | bolt | is there a way to get colors in the console at boot time in debian? like, run the entire thing through ccze or something? |
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| 21:43.30 | drwahl_ | wols: i'm grabbing lshw, but in the mean time, here is the output of hwinfo |
| 21:43.33 | drwahl_ | http://pastebin.com/m4c6c7f46 |
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| 21:44.41 | Trollinator | drwahl_: run hwinfo --network please |
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| 21:44.54 | Trollinator | I don't want to dig through that. |
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| 21:45.10 | hellues | i have serioues problem |
| 21:45.13 | drwahl_ | lshw shows http://pastebin.com/m38f9e7f |
| 21:45.47 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.53 | hellues | no sound on debian sid |
| 21:46.20 | drwahl_ | Trollinator: http://pastebin.com/m71e38204 |
| 21:46.21 | wols | !enter |
| 21:46.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:46.25 | wols | hellues: again! |
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| 21:47.59 | hellues | i am using debian sid my sound card Intel Corporation 82801H snd-hda intel my system recognize it |
| 21:48.01 | jelly-home | hellues: do you see any card in /proc/asound/cards, AGAIN? |
| 21:48.07 | hellues | butt there is no sound |
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| 21:48.22 | jelly-home | !butt |
| 21:48.23 | dpkg | from memory, butt is not to be confused with but |
| 21:48.30 | niss_ | just looking in my auth log what might this be please saslauthd[1254]: detach_tty : master pid is: 1254 |
| 21:48.31 | drwahl_ | hmm... looks like my wireless card might be usb!? output of lsusb http://pastebin.com/mb6e3e30 |
| 21:48.35 | Trollinator | drwahl_: the sit0 device is not a real device |
| 21:48.35 | jelly-home | dpkg: and you need memory for that... pfft. |
| 21:48.35 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 21:48.41 | Trollinator | neither is lo |
| 21:48.52 | hellues | debian:/home/hellues# cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:48.52 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.18 | Trollinator | so, also hwinfo only sees one device, and that's your ethernet card. |
| 21:49.26 | hellues | alsamixer has headphone front front mi and soon |
| 21:49.41 | hellues | but there is no master and pcm |
| 21:49.43 | drwahl_ | Trollinator: does that lsusb output i posted make sense then? might it be an internal usb wireless device |
| 21:49.53 | jelly-home | hellues: great. Now, run alsamixer in a terminal. Is any of PCM, Front or Main muted (all the way down)? |
| 21:50.01 | hellues | in adittion when i open gnome-alsamixer nothing here |
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| 21:50.16 | jelly-home | hellues: no PCM is a bit fishy, yes. |
| 21:50.17 | zinx | drwahl_: 0BDA:8189 is a wireless card |
| 21:50.22 | bkw | hmm what package do I need to be able to play midi files? vlc don't play my midis, nor mplayer. mplayer error Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll |
| 21:50.23 | hellues | when i open gnome-volume-manager said no suitable gstreamer or device not fฤฑound |
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| 21:50.40 | zinx | drwahl_: your webcam is also probably supported by linux-uvc, though not particularly well |
| 21:50.45 | hellues | there is no master pcm and main |
| 21:50.46 | drwahl_ | zinx: anyway to tell what the the chipset is? |
| 21:50.48 | Trollinator | bkw: timidity |
| 21:50.48 | zinx | (because linux-uvc sucks currently) |
| 21:50.52 | hellues | there is front unmuted |
| 21:51.02 | drwahl_ | i know that linux-uvc works with the webcam, but taht isnt my concern right now :) |
| 21:51.07 | jelly-home | hellues: pastebin output of "dmesg|grep -B50 -A50 -i hda" |
| 21:51.36 | bkw | Trollinator: ok, I'm installing that now.. |
| 21:51.41 | zinx | drwahl_: it apparently uses a RTL8187B |
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| 21:52.09 | Trollinator | zinx: that's supported on linux, isn't it |
| 21:52.33 | zinx | drwahl_: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
| 21:52.45 | hellues | !paste |
| 21:52.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:53.45 | epb | Hi all! Im a newbie when it comes to webservers and is trying to set one up running debian etch and wordpress, is there anyone here who can explain to me how hosts work? Im having trouble configuring wordpress :/ |
| 21:53.54 | zinx | drwahl_: the FAQ there has some info on installing it in Debian, fwiw |
| 21:53.59 | hellues | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/48303 |
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| 21:54.11 | zinx | not -great- info, but info :x |
| 21:54.19 | drwahl_ | zinx: awesome |
| 21:54.26 | drwahl_ | zinx: time for some research :) |
| 21:55.08 | jelly-home | hellues: in addition, which debian release are you running? uname -r? |
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| 21:55.32 | hellues | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 21:55.36 | zinx | drwahl_: good luck |
| 21:55.37 | hellues | i am using debian sid |
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| 21:55.52 | jelly-home | hellues: at line 169, the driver seems to have problems with your codec: hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC268, trying auto-probe from BIOS... |
| 21:56.10 | hellues | bios |
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| 21:56.19 | hellues | bios |
| 21:56.26 | hellues | hmm |
| 21:56.30 | hellues | how |
| 21:56.35 | hellues | configure bios |
| 21:56.43 | jelly-home | hellues: do you have a specific need for that kernel version? |
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| 21:56.46 | amphi | hellues: you could try the various model=foo args |
| 21:57.05 | amphi | hellues: they're somewhere on the alsa site IIRC |
| 21:57.14 | hellues | model=foo args what does that mean |
| 21:57.34 | hellues | whet you mean with spesific need? |
| 21:58.00 | amphi | hellues: 'foo' is a placeholder for the real option |
| 21:58.04 | jelly-home | hellues: do you need something that is available only in 2.6.24? |
| 21:58.15 | jelly-home | hellues: model=... would be an option for the snd-hda-intel kernel module |
| 21:58.23 | hellues | nvidia |
| 21:58.25 | amphi | jelly-home: it has built in support for his wireless card |
| 21:58.48 | hellues | amphi, like options snd-hda-intel model=acer |
| 21:58.49 | amphi | jelly-home: saves him patching mac80211 and building iwlwifi |
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| 21:59.08 | amphi | hellues: I forget what the options are |
| 21:59.21 | i-am-confused | Hello; Does someone there know how long will take for xorg7.3 stuff to move into testing? |
| 22:00.00 | amphi | i-am-confused: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xorg |
| 22:00.19 | epb | when configuring /etc/apache2/sites-available/ to install wordpress, should I use my networks internal ip given by my router, external ip given by my ISP or the name of the server? |
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| 22:00.31 | i-am-confused | Thanks amphi, I will take a look |
| 22:00.32 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:00.32 | hellues | ii added this option |
| 22:00.35 | Agiofws | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 22:00.36 | hellues | options snd-hda-intel model=acer |
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| 22:00.42 | ratamahatta | hi |
| 22:00.42 | jelly-home | amphi, hellues: hmph. upstream kernels are quite shaky in 2.6. I wondered if going back to a previous 2.6 would make the card work, but it seems it would also make the wireless not work |
| 22:00.44 | Agiofws | what lib do i need ? |
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| 22:01.23 | abrotman | Agiofws: libqt-dev .. or something like that |
| 22:01.27 | jelly-home | Agiofws: the package will have qt and -dev in its name. search for it. |
| 22:01.49 | hark | Agiofws: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 22:01.52 | hellues | pff |
| 22:01.55 | amphi | jelly-home: snd_hda_intel is quite incomplete, it seems, better in .24; I'm running vanilla .24 here without apparent problems so far |
| 22:02.15 | hellues | amphi, |
| 22:02.21 | hellues | while i am using ubuntu |
| 22:02.28 | wols | jelly-home: what WLAN do you have? |
| 22:02.33 | jelly-home | amphi: I've gotten my machines to work in .20 or .21 or so |
| 22:02.44 | hellues | i added options snd-hda-intel model=acer to alsa-base |
| 22:02.50 | jelly-home | wols: 2915abg, why? |
| 22:02.58 | hellues | and i installed linux-backports-modules |
| 22:03.02 | hellues | problem solved |
| 22:03.18 | amphi | hellues: alsa upgrade> |
| 22:03.19 | amphi | ? |
| 22:03.31 | hellues | alsa upgrade |
| 22:03.41 | hellues | my alsa version 1.0.15-4 |
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| 22:03.44 | jelly-home | wtf is linux-backports-modules? |
| 22:04.04 | hark | ubuntu ;) |
| 22:04.04 | amphi | jelly-home: he has 4965 - it's quite possible to get it working with .22, I did - my main reason for .24 is the tickless kernel |
| 22:04.08 | wols | jelly-home: doesn't the new mac80211 layer have support for it? |
| 22:04.09 | hellues | wtf is a package? |
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| 22:04.17 | Agiofws | hellues, ... get the latest alsa packages from asla and compile them |
| 22:04.30 | hellues | my alssa |
| 22:04.31 | Agiofws | you have to compile 3 alsa files |
| 22:04.36 | hellues | is up to date |
| 22:04.46 | hellues | what is those files |
| 22:04.50 | jelly-home | wols: I don't care; it worked as-is even in 2.6.15 |
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| 22:05.14 | amphi | jelly-home: I pointed him at the intellinuxwireless page, which has quite complete instructions, but to little avail, apparently, so I suggested .24 |
| 22:05.29 | jelly-home | amphi: eh, you win some you lose some |
| 22:05.29 | amphi | jelly-home: what worked? |
| 22:06.01 | jelly-home | amphi: wols appears to be mistakenly thinking I need help with wireless |
| 22:06.28 | ratamahatta | abrotman: do you know the dudes at #qemu arent so clever ? |
| 22:06.46 | Trollinator | 2.6.24 isn't even in unstable yet. :( |
| 22:06.50 | abrotman | ratamahatta: are you new to the internet? |
| 22:06.53 | abrotman | Trollinator: yes it is |
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| 22:07.07 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 sid |
| 22:07.09 | hellues | Agiofws, |
| 22:07.11 | ratamahatta | lol abrotman |
| 22:07.12 | Trollinator | oh. |
| 22:07.12 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686: (Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.24-2 (sid), Packaged size: 18610 kB, Installed size: 54116 kB |
| 22:07.14 | Trollinator | cool |
| 22:07.21 | hellues | Agiofws, |
| 22:07.26 | Trollinator | since when is that? |
| 22:07.32 | hellues | i join alsa page |
| 22:07.40 | hellues | which files do it download |
| 22:07.56 | Trollinator | hum. |
| 22:08.03 | hellues | alsa 1.0.16rc2 |
| 22:08.03 | Trollinator | there are no -k7 builds :( |
| 22:08.06 | hellues | ? |
| 22:08.16 | jelly-home | Trollinator: /msg dpkg k7 dropped :-) |
| 22:08.40 | jelly-home | Trollinator: but you can have a nice -amd64 (even in i386 distro!) |
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| 22:09.09 | Trollinator | jelly-home: yes, i had done that with 2.6.23 |
| 22:09.30 | jelly-home | Trollinator: Me too... and reverted back to -686. 3rd party modules don't like it much |
| 22:09.49 | hellues | ssssssssssss |
| 22:09.59 | Trollinator | nvidia-glx is a PITA to install like that |
| 22:10.05 | ratamahatta | is debian still shipping a b0rked qemu bios or has that been fixed atm? |
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| 22:10.12 | Agiofws | hellues, get the latest alsa.tar.gz |
| 22:10.14 | Trollinator | or is there some --force-architecture switch? |
| 22:10.18 | Agiofws | form alsa |
| 22:10.22 | Agiofws | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. ? |
| 22:10.25 | jelly-home | virtualbox is a pain to work (the module build, but the apps fails) |
| 22:10.28 | aFlag | hello, is it possible to connect two keyboards to the same computer (using usb or whatever) and also connect two monitors to the computer (the video card has two monitor outputs) and log each monitor/keyboard pair to a different user? |
| 22:10.41 | hellues | what is latest alsa.tar.gz |
| 22:10.47 | hellues | 1.0.15 |
| 22:10.49 | Trollinator | jelly-home: oh, that's not nice. |
| 22:10.50 | hellues | or 1.0.16 |
| 22:10.53 | abrotman | aFlag: i believe it is .. but you'd want to ask #xorg for more details |
| 22:10.56 | abrotman | !tell hellues about enter |
| 22:11.01 | zinx | aFlag: theoretically it is, if you're using X11 |
| 22:11.07 | aFlag | hm |
| 22:11.08 | Agiofws | hellues, www.alsa.org should tell you |
| 22:11.08 | jelly-home | aFlag: google for multiseat, I guess |
| 22:11.45 | Trollinator | hum, in fact debian doesn't provide virtualbox-ose-modules for amd64 :/ |
| 22:11.53 | aFlag | thanks |
| 22:12.16 | Trollinator | do i need -bigmem for 2 GB of RAM? |
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| 22:12.36 | hark | no |
| 22:12.38 | Eulex | Trollinator, no, but you need -686 or 'later' |
| 22:12.43 | jelly-home | Trollinator: no (Re: 2gb) |
| 22:13.00 | jelly-home | Mem: 2010420 1149892 860528 0 12952 525104 <-- 2.6.23-1-686 |
| 22:13.10 | hellues | Agiofws, |
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| 22:13.14 | hellues | http://www.alsa.org/ |
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| 22:13.21 | abrotman | !tell hellues about enter |
| 22:13.58 | hark | it's alsa-project.org |
| 22:13.58 | hellues | whats that fighting on ever front |
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| 22:14.16 | ratamahatta | well ? |
| 22:14.28 | ratamahatta | i asked a legitimate debian related question |
| 22:14.45 | karmatronic | ratamahatta: keep cool.ask again |
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| 22:14.56 | hellues | Agiofws, alsa 1.0.16 driver i download |
| 22:15.17 | Agiofws | untar it |
| 22:15.19 | ratamahatta | karmatronic: what happened to scroll up ? |
| 22:15.28 | abrotman | ratamahatta: did you try in another window manager? |
| 22:15.28 | amphi | ratamahatta: b0rked in what way? qemu ran fine last time I used it |
| 22:15.40 | abrotman | ratamahatta: is only installing XP? |
| 22:15.41 | Daveman | abrotman :) |
| 22:15.41 | embkas | anybody of you heard about JSyn Plugin from Java. Trying to use this site: http://ww w.softsynth.com/jsyn/plugins/, but am asked to install this Plugin. |
| 22:16.00 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 22:16.16 | enzo | during a debian install, after setting a raid crypted, the installer is blocked at 42%, title of the window is "Starting up the partitioner", why is it so long ? |
| 22:16.22 | ratamahatta | abrotman: besides the fact that its terribly slooow , debian seems to install just fine with qemu |
| 22:16.29 | enzo | maybe cause i've asked to format, and it's very very long ? |
| 22:16.30 | abrotman | ratamahatta: did you try in another window manager? |
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| 22:16.52 | amphi | ratamahatta: you're using the kernel module (assuming you're emulating x86 on x86) ? |
| 22:16.52 | ratamahatta | abrotman: do you think that makes a difference ? |
| 22:17.04 | abrotman | ratamahatta: are you sure it doesn't? |
| 22:17.08 | Trollinator | hm, kvm has also been broken for months :( |
| 22:17.17 | Trollinator | anyway, i'll reboot. |
| 22:17.17 | streuner | ratamahatta: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:17.26 | ratamahatta | amphi: im using the regular deb packages |
| 22:17.37 | streuner | ratamahatta: What does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 22:17.46 | ratamahatta | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:17.46 | amphi | ratamahatta: I assume that means 'no' |
| 22:17.53 | abrotman | !tell ratamahatta about bts |
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| 22:18.18 | streuner | ratamahatta: Did you ever try BTS? :-) |
| 22:18.30 | ratamahatta | its a bit premature to assume its a bug abrotman |
| 22:18.38 | ratamahatta | streuner: no |
| 22:18.39 | jelly-home | ratamahatta: if you want a _stable_ vm able to run a variety of OSes, I recommend vmware-server. If you want a free one, virtualbox-ose. |
| 22:18.43 | hellues | i downloaded last alsa driver 1.0.16 |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | ratamahatta: IT CRASHES |
| 22:18.49 | amphi | ratamahatta: or that it's 'b0rked' |
| 22:18.52 | hellues | configure it an i use make command |
| 22:19.24 | ratamahatta | amphi: so what are you telling me ? that i forgot to install a required package ? |
| 22:19.37 | amphi | jelly-home: FWIW, qemu has always worked well for, with various OSes |
| 22:19.46 | epb | when configuring /etc/apache2/sites-available/ to install wordpress, should I use my networks internal ip given by my router, external ip given by my ISP or the name of the server (hostname)? tried all of them and none will make the webinstall of wordpress show up in my browser |
| 22:19.47 | abrotman | i've never had qemu crash X either ... |
| 22:19.48 | Agiofws | hellues, |
| 22:19.51 | amphi | none of them were redmondian, though |
| 22:19.52 | jelly-home | amphi: qemu is fucking slow ime |
| 22:19.56 | Agiofws | 3 files extracted ? |
| 22:20.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: kqemu makes it a bit better |
| 22:20.08 | jelly-home | amphi: emphasis on the swearword |
| 22:20.08 | embkas | how do I install jsyn plugin from java? |
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| 22:20.14 | abrotman | rouhgly on par with a 300Mhz i'd say |
| 22:20.22 | hellues | Agiofws, what iis it ? |
| 22:20.25 | wols | epb: fqdn |
| 22:20.27 | Eulex | jelly-home, it's fast compared to other emulators |
| 22:20.28 | amphi | jelly-home: not with the kernel module; it was fine running plan9 on a 1.6GHz pentium m for example |
| 22:20.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes. I also wanted it stable and featureful. |
| 22:20.40 | epb | wols, ? |
| 22:20.44 | embkas | do you know if there is a deb package for jsyn |
| 22:20.45 | Agiofws | how many files did it extract to ? |
| 22:20.48 | wols | !fqdn |
| 22:20.48 | dpkg | well, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 22:20.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: it is stable for me .. not sure what features you want |
| 22:20.56 | epb | !fqdn |
| 22:21.00 | Agiofws | something like |
| 22:21.00 | Agiofws | alsa-base |
| 22:21.05 | wols | !tell embkas about search |
| 22:21.07 | abrotman | fully qualified domain name |
| 22:21.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: USB2. state saving. |
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| 22:21.35 | jelly-home | a decent ui. |
| 22:21.36 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm pretty sure you can save the state |
| 22:21.44 | abrotman | and there is the gtk-qemu thing |
| 22:21.48 | epb | I dont understand |
| 22:22.03 | hellues | Agiofws, ALSA modules were successfully compiled. |
| 22:22.03 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.08 | Agiofws | WHY THE F... is kde so F bloated with shit |
| 22:22.15 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 22:22.26 | themill | !bloatsmite Agiofws |
| 22:22.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I spent less time getting all that from nonfree virtualbox than I'd spend retrying qemu. ;-) |
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| 22:22.41 | amphi | jelly-home: BTW, I'm not trying to argue that qemu is 'the best' - I haven't used anything else ;) |
| 22:22.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: up to you |
| 22:22.48 | hellues | i configure alsa 1.0.16 |
| 22:23.00 | Agiofws | hellues, how many files di dthe tar extract to ? |
| 22:23.04 | hellues | but my alsa configurator version 1.0.15 i dont understand |
| 22:23.04 | jelly-home | amphi: of course. If it works, I stick with it as well |
| 22:23.43 | Agiofws | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 22:23.43 | Agiofws | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 22:23.43 | Agiofws | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
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| 22:23.53 | Agiofws | what do i have to do ? |
| 22:23.54 | Trollinator | re |
| 22:23.55 | jelly-home | !wayttd Agiofws |
| 22:23.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Agiofws? |
| 22:24.05 | Agiofws | install kiso |
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| 22:24.18 | Agiofws | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 22:24.18 | Agiofws | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 22:24.18 | Agiofws | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 22:24.20 | hellues | i build latest alsa driver 1.0.16 |
| 22:24.26 | jelly-home | Agiofws: is it much better than k3b? |
| 22:24.51 | abrotman | Agiofws: apt-cache search -- kde -dev |
| 22:24.54 | Agiofws | jelly, i don;t think that k3b has the feature i want |
| 22:24.54 | hellues | what must i do after building |
| 22:24.59 | hellues | someone ppls answer me |
| 22:25.08 | Agiofws | hellues, |
| 22:25.11 | Agiofws | make install |
| 22:25.15 | hellues | i am little crazy bacause of problem of debian |
| 22:25.16 | Agiofws | as root |
| 22:25.33 | jelly-home | Agiofws: which is? perhaps there's a package already available in debian that would satisfy your needs |
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| 22:26.22 | Agiofws | reading unfinalized MINI-dvd disks from a sony cam corder i'm not even sure if it can do it though |
| 22:26.27 | hellues | !paste |
| 22:26.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:26.40 | jelly-home | Agiofws: tried just mounting them? |
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| 22:27.10 | hellues | Agiofws, is it ok pls look http://paste.debian.net/48306 |
| 22:27.38 | Agiofws | jelly, yeah i've been trying for 2 mothns now |
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| 22:27.49 | Agiofws | jelly, sony does some magic to the disks |
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| 22:28.02 | jelly-home | Agiofws: hmm. is any software in windows able to access them? |
| 22:28.04 | Agiofws | propritary shit |
| 22:28.31 | jelly-home | Agiofws: can you at least dd the image? |
| 22:28.32 | Agiofws | yeah isobuster does it ... sort of ... but its not free ... |
| 22:28.41 | Agiofws | so i'm trying a linux solution |
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| 22:28.52 | Agiofws | thats what i was wanting to asking |
| 22:29.28 | Agiofws | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myfile ? |
| 22:29.40 | jelly-home | Agiofws: in general, yes. |
| 22:29.54 | Agiofws | only truck i have not tried |
| 22:30.00 | Agiofws | trick* |
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| 22:31.34 | Agiofws | hellues ? |
| 22:31.38 | jelly-home | Agiofws: kiso seems to be available in ubuntu gutsy. Were I to build it, I'd take their build-dependencies and install the Debian packages |
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| 22:31.54 | Trollinator | what's the point in using -686 and not -686-bigmem? |
| 22:31.59 | jelly-home | s/take/find out/ |
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| 22:32.32 | hellues | rhey |
| 22:32.35 | hellues | !paste |
| 22:32.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:32.40 | Agiofws | kiso.cpp: In member function โvirtual void Mainform::choice()โ: |
| 22:32.40 | Agiofws | kiso.cpp:3177: error: โCdIoโ was not declared in this scope |
| 22:32.42 | Agiofws | lol |
| 22:32.49 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.52 | jelly-home | Trollinator: -bigmem has diminished performance due to having to use different tricks for memory layout. You wouldn't use it if you didn't need to. |
| 22:33.01 | jelly-home | Trollinator: I don't have numbers. |
| 22:33.05 | Trollinator | OK. |
| 22:33.07 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48307 |
| 22:33.12 | hellues | look at it pls |
| 22:33.19 | Trollinator | there are no virtualbox modules for -686 :( |
| 22:33.23 | hellues | i build latest alsa driver |
| 22:33.34 | jelly-home | Trollinator: m-a! |
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| 22:33.40 | hellues | but when i alsamixer it said snd_ctl_open failed |
| 22:33.52 | Trollinator | jelly-home: hm? |
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| 22:34.11 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/extracted/kiso-0.8.3$ dpkg -l | grep kiso |
| 22:34.12 | Agiofws | rc kiso 0.8.3-0ubuntu2 program to create manipulate and extract CD |
| 22:34.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Hey |
| 22:34.14 | Agiofws | jelly-home, ? |
| 22:34.23 | embkas | It seems the jsyn plugin for java has to be installed online in the browser. This isn't possible, because the installer tries to write to directories with root privil. Does know about a workaround? |
| 22:34.24 | Eulex | hellues, is the driver loaded? |
| 22:34.30 | jelly-home | Trollinator: use m-a to build modules from respective virtualbox-ose-source |
| 22:34.40 | hellues | i dont know |
| 22:34.40 | Trollinator | ok. |
| 22:34.44 | hellues | Eulex, |
| 22:34.56 | Eulex | hellues, pastebin lsmod|grep snd |
| 22:35.17 | entaro | hey ppl! is there anything besides stderr and stdout? imma trying to log everything from some app |
| 22:35.47 | Eulex | entaro, redirect it? |
| 22:35.51 | entaro | looks like this: someapp 2>&1 > logs.log |
| 22:35.57 | ratamahatta | ratamahatta GREETS Dark_Apostrophe |
| 22:36.04 | jelly-home | Agiofws: I did not say I would install ubuntu package, like you seem to have tried. I'd take a look at their source package, and install something similar to its Build-Depends. |
| 22:36.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Hey, sup? :) |
| 22:36.36 | Eulex | entaro, right. and no, there's nothing more to redirect than stdout and stderr |
| 22:36.37 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: still the same crashing qemu when im installing windowz ex pee |
| 22:36.38 | embkas | does anybody know how to install jsyn plugin for java? |
| 22:36.49 | entaro | Eulex: sure. but in order to get stderr logged, first i need to redirect it to stdout like this "2>&1" |
| 22:36.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Tried VirtualBox? |
| 22:36.55 | hellues | Eulex, http://paste.debian.net/48308 |
| 22:37.01 | Eulex | entaro, right |
| 22:37.04 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: no not at all |
| 22:37.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: VirtualBox does WinXP just fine on this laptop |
| 22:37.23 | Trollinator | it's also *much* faster than qemu |
| 22:37.26 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/48308 |
| 22:37.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Well, download it from virtualbox.org |
| 22:37.27 | Eulex | hellues, check dmesg, dmesg|grep snd |
| 22:37.32 | Trollinator | without the qemu accelerator that is. |
| 22:37.33 | hellues | oki |
| 22:37.34 | entaro | Eulex: ugh. app still writes some stuff to me terminal |
| 22:37.45 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: lets seeee |
| 22:37.45 | Eulex | entaro, hmm |
| 22:37.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: debian has Vbox, but the packages on the virtualbox site work better |
| 22:37.55 | hellues | Eulex, |
| 22:38.01 | Trollinator | But they're not free software |
| 22:38.07 | hellues | nothing in terminal |
| 22:38.09 | Trollinator | hellues: don't use enter as punctiation |
| 22:38.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | They work better. |
| 22:38.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
| 22:38.16 | hellues | sorry |
| 22:38.20 | Eulex | hellues, oh. syslog, perhaps? |
| 22:38.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | nVidia's blob is proprietary, but it still works better than Nouveau. |
| 22:38.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll go with what works - I don't believe in copyright at all. |
| 22:38.43 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: whats the package to install for that ? |
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| 22:39.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: I don't remember, I first tried Debian's packages, which sucked (I couldn't even get USB to work), then I tried the stuff on VirtualBox's site, that worked perfectly |
| 22:39.23 | hellues | syslog|grp snd Eulex ? |
| 22:39.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: So my personal recommendation is to use Vbox's own packages |
| 22:39.38 | Eulex | hellnet, /var/log/syslog |
| 22:39.48 | hellues | ha |
| 22:39.50 | hellues | sorry |
| 22:40.01 | cizzi | how do I reference a variable inside a `` command? for example ... x=`cat $test` |
| 22:40.26 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: what is the latest debian unstable called ? |
| 22:40.34 | ratamahatta | Dark_Apostrophe: its etch right ? |
| 22:40.35 | Eulex | cizzi, you do just as you described... iirc |
| 22:40.39 | hellues | yto long files |
| 22:41.00 | Trollinator | $(foo) is better than `foo` |
| 22:41.13 | streuner | ratamahatta: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:41.13 | Trollinator | because you can nest |
| 22:41.14 | cizzi | oh yeah |
| 22:41.16 | cizzi | found my mistake |
| 22:41.17 | cizzi | thanks |
| 22:41.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: virtualbox-ose |
| 22:41.41 | hellues | Eulex, nothing about snd in syslog |
| 22:41.51 | streuner | Dark_Apostrophe: you are NO help |
| 22:41.52 | Eulex | hellues, tried running alsaconf? |
| 22:42.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | streuner: I just told him what the package name in sid is |
| 22:42.20 | hellues | yes |
| 22:42.54 | streuner | yes, and you told him "Dont give a fuck about DFSG" "Dont give a fuck what you are installing at all, main thing it works" |
| 22:42.55 | amphi | Trollinator: kqemu is free now, I believe |
| 22:42.59 | hellues | Eulex, i dont understand that alsa driver version 1.0รง.16 but alsa configurator version 1.0.15 |
| 22:43.04 | Trollinator | amphi: it is. |
| 22:43.13 | Eulex | hellues, should make no real difference |
| 22:43.14 | Trollinator | it has been for some time. |
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| 22:43.25 | Eulex | hellues, the version of the drivers are what matter most |
| 22:43.35 | Trollinator | but the virtualbox packages from innotek aren't. |
| 22:43.47 | hellues | Eulex, what can i do for sound |
| 22:43.57 | Eulex | hellues, sorry, I'm not sure |
| 22:44.01 | hellues | ubuntu solve problem why debian cant solve |
| 22:44.08 | hellues | ! |
| 22:44.20 | Eulex | we don't know. perhaps you screwed up something. |
| 22:44.52 | hellues | actually i am not doing anytthing i ask smt in here |
| 22:45.17 | jelly-home | hellues: so you have tried another Linux OS, and the sound worked? |
| 22:45.33 | Trollinator | jelly-home: thx for the hint with module-assistant. |
| 22:45.48 | ozzloy | i'm having trouble mounting a drive. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt/old #ount: /dev/sda2 already mounted or /mnt/old busy. i just created /mnt/old, lsof /dev/sda2 shows nothing |
| 22:46.28 | hellues | ubuntu |
| 22:46.31 | hellues | works |
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| 22:46.50 | abrotman | hellues: then use ubuntu |
| 22:46.56 | hellues | i in stalled first ubuntu doesnt have a sound but mans develops ubuntu solve problem |
| 22:46.57 | Eulex | hellues, (1) what kernel were you using on ubuntu (2)what kernel are you using on debian? |
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| 22:47.12 | Trollinator | jelly-home: it didn't work with virtualbox though. |
| 22:47.14 | Eulex | hellues, hardy solved your problem? |
| 22:47.22 | hellues | i dont know i dont remember i dont like ubuntu |
| 22:47.24 | jelly-home | hellues: so, check their version of alsa driver and try using the same version in debian |
| 22:47.36 | hellues | my alsa driver 1.0.16 |
| 22:47.46 | ozzloy | please help me mount this drive (actually an image, but whatever) |
| 22:47.51 | ratamahatta | virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-686: Depends: linux-modules-2.6.22-3-686 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-home | hellues: not the current one; the one that worked |
| 22:48.09 | ratamahatta | sheisse |
| 22:48.09 | Trollinator | jelly-home: never mind |
| 22:48.50 | jelly-home | Trollinator: ok. btw, nonfree virtualbox brings and builds its own module source. It works well for me on lenny. |
| 22:49.11 | ratamahatta | maybe a kernel upgrade will fix that |
| 22:49.19 | Trollinator | jelly-home: module-assistant builds the module and installs it. But the module just isn't there afterwards |
| 22:49.33 | jelly-home | Trollinator: ... modprobe it? |
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| 22:49.42 | Trollinator | jelly-home: i can't. it's not there. |
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| 22:50.54 | Trollinator | never mind, i was being stupid. |
| 22:51.11 | Trollinator | i tried to modprobe virtualbox-ose when it was called vboxdrv. |
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| 22:52.12 | ratamahatta | but is virtualbox free or non-free or what is it ? |
| 22:52.21 | jelly-home | ratamahatta: it's both. |
| 22:52.36 | Trollinator | ratamahatta: there are two editions, virtualbox and virtualbox-ose |
| 22:52.37 | ratamahatta | i hope its not a demo or something |
| 22:52.45 | Trollinator | virtualbox-ose is free. |
| 22:52.48 | Trollinator | virtualbox isn't |
| 22:53.04 | jelly-home | ratamahatta: both are gratis, though |
| 22:53.21 | ratamahatta | GRATIS yeah thats what i like to hear |
| 22:53.30 | bolt | When I download the linux-source packages from the standard repositories, are the debian patches already applied, or should I download and apply them as well? |
| 22:54.05 | ratamahatta | linux will destroy M$ and rip the US economy |
| 22:54.18 | jelly-home | ratamahatta: keep it on topic. |
| 22:54.18 | abrotman | bolt: yes |
| 22:54.19 | Trollinator | it hasn't so far... |
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| 22:54.30 | bolt | abrotman: yes to what part? |
| 22:54.35 | abrotman | former |
| 22:54.40 | ratamahatta | lol @ jelly-home |
| 22:54.46 | bolt | abrotman: ah. thanks :) |
| 22:54.51 | abrotman | ratamahatta: he wasn't joking |
| 22:54.55 | Trollinator | dammit |
| 22:55.02 | ratamahatta | haha |
| 22:55.02 | Trollinator | cdemu doesn't work with 2.6.24 anymore |
| 22:55.15 | jelly-home | ratamahatta: it's not a laughing matter; political crap is not tolerated |
| 22:55.34 | jelly-home | (not by me at least ;-) |
| 22:55.53 | ratamahatta | im just laughing dont worry about it |
| 22:57.09 | RichiH | hmm, http://pastebin.ca/889474 _should_ force xorg to run at 1024, no? |
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| 22:57.42 | hellues_ | i wonna solve problem on debian i love debian but debian doesnt allow this |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | RichiH: and the log says ? |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | RichiH: and on a PC .. you shouldn't specify the BusID |
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| 22:58.39 | RichiH | abrotman: hmm, the log says my friend is an idiot an he is running 1024 all along |
| 22:58.40 | RichiH | grr |
| 22:58.54 | amphi | hellues_: doesn't allow what? |
| 22:58.54 | abrotman | RichiH: blame the beer |
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| 22:59.02 | RichiH | hehe |
| 23:00.12 | abrotman | RichiH: also .. xdpyinfo |
| 23:01.19 | enzo | i have 2 disks in my laptop, how can i do to format them all completely ? (i've configured a raid, but i have problem, i'd like to have clean disks to configure properly) |
| 23:01.47 | enzo | i can boot on a knoopix, and launch fdisk on each disk to clean partitions ? |
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| 23:02.01 | Gnu_Raiz | what type of raid, if your using the onboard raid you might want to consider software raid. |
| 23:02.12 | enzo | soft raid 1 |
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| 23:02.25 | RichiH | as long as i am here, does anyone have an educated as to when libwxgtk2.8-0 will come out? |
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| 23:03.10 | Miesco | Compiz says: Checking for Xgl: not present. How do I get Xgl? |
| 23:03.22 | wols | !xgl |
| 23:03.22 | dpkg | i heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported |
| 23:03.23 | abrotman | RichiH: the maintainer wants to do all kinds of stuff before it goes in last time i read ... his /nick on OFTC is 'ron' |
| 23:03.31 | jelly-home | RichiH: no. But I've read a thread or two about the state of wxWidgets in bts and laughed. |
| 23:03.39 | v3nu5 | Hi, I would like to make a unofficial debian cd image using debian-cd (at home without an internet acces) My sources.list is configured for 2 dvd acces, but how to tell debian-cd to use the dvd to download the package? I tried File:/ without succes |
| 23:03.45 | amphi | Miesco: that's just a check - do you need xgl? |
| 23:05.09 | ozzloy | oh, i noticed you guys talking about virtualbox. anyone here use it? |
| 23:05.14 | Trollinator | most of the time, xgl is not as good a choice as regular X.org with AIGLX or nvidia-glx is. |
| 23:05.19 | Trollinator | ozzloy: i do. |
| 23:05.26 | jelly-home | ozzloy: must we really invoke !anyone |
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| 23:05.38 | abrotman | v3nu5: man sources.list .. cdrom:// |
| 23:06.01 | ozzloy | jelly-home: sure, i'm unfamiliar with it |
| 23:06.09 | v3nu5 | but how to tell debian-cd to look here |
| 23:06.09 | Miesco | amphi: Well it says aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
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| 23:06.18 | ozzloy | !anyone |
| 23:06.18 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 23:06.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:06.22 | amphi | Miesco: what card and driver? |
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| 23:07.04 | RichiH | jelly-home: why did you laugh? |
| 23:07.15 | Miesco | amphi: Nvidia |
| 23:07.22 | RichiH | abrotman: he should get a basic version out the door and do the fun stuff afterwards |
| 23:07.37 | Miesco | amphi: The driver is the latest from their website |
| 23:07.40 | amphi | Miesco: you don't need xgl with nvidia at all |
| 23:07.45 | amphi | evar |
| 23:08.15 | jelly-home | RichiH: the maintainer claimed to want to do so much, but nothing happens. Refocus on smaller goals or a different workflow seems to be needed |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | RichiH: i'm looking for the bug |
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| 23:11.22 | RichiH | jelly-home: yah, the package has been out for ubuntu for ages |
| 23:11.22 | jelly-home | RichiH: I often cling to a thing like that, when it would be more reasonable to let someone else do the job |
| 23:11.44 | jelly-home | worse is better |
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| 23:12.50 | ozzloy | so my real question then: what's the performance of virtualbox like? what kind of host machine would i need to run windows xp at a bearable speed? |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | RichiH: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403237 |
| 23:13.33 | jelly-home | ozzloy: it's much like vmware. Say, 50% of host |
| 23:14.36 | ozzloy | jelly-home: ic |
| 23:15.20 | Ace2016 | xgl with nvidia makes it much smoother |
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| 23:15.37 | amphi | Ace2016: on old cards, perhaps |
| 23:15.56 | ServerSide | !linus |
| 23:15.56 | dpkg | linus is, like, The Man. or mistaken for the OS or our savior, or someone who pushes to have procfs replace sysctl, despite the fact for programs this makes things significantly slower. someone that doesn't comment, or at http://revolution-os.com/images/linus_at_linuxworld.jpg |
| 23:16.08 | Ace2016 | i have a laptop with nvidia and it feels smoother with xgl, really weird |
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| 23:16.39 | ratamahatta | is user mode linux also suited to install and run windowz of ? |
| 23:17.13 | abrotman | ratamahatta: what is windowz ? |
| 23:17.53 | wols | ratamahatta: no it's not |
| 23:18.32 | wols | abrotman: he's a kiddie, you should have noticed by now |
| 23:18.48 | abrotman | thank you |
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| 23:19.31 | yoluca | did anyone manage to draw to overlay surface the subtitles in mplayer ? |
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| 23:22.46 | RichiH | abrotman, jelly-home: http://wiki.wxpython.org/InstallingOnUbuntuOrDebian |
| 23:22.56 | jelly-home | yoluca: what do you mean? The subtitles "just work" for me. |
| 23:23.25 | abrotman | RichiH: not much help .. still has etch pegged at 2.4 |
| 23:23.33 | abrotman | RichiH: whoops .. misread |
| 23:23.40 | yoluca | jelly-home i want the subtitles to be below the movie surface ... just at the bottom over the (black screen) :) |
| 23:24.21 | RichiH | abrotman: this stinks of a NMU |
| 23:24.21 | jelly-home | yoluca: ah. so you want the overlay to be bigger than the movie? |
| 23:25.07 | abrotman | RichiH: i'm not so sure about that |
| 23:25.12 | jelly-home | yoluca: if you figure it out let me know :-) |
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| 23:25.30 | RichiH | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403237#130 |
| 23:25.33 | RichiH | wow, a prick |
| 23:25.48 | yoluca | jelly-home not bigger then the movie man ... under the movie picture .... i already did with the KMPlayer |
| 23:26.10 | jelly-home | yoluca: they have to displayed on _something_ |
| 23:26.35 | yoluca | hello ? are you even reading what im saying to you ? |
| 23:26.56 | jelly-home | yoluca: that black part of the screeen has to be managed in some way |
| 23:27.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | ratamahatta: Mind helping me out with NFS again? :) |
| 23:27.26 | jelly-home | yoluca: if you want to show stuff on it |
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| 23:28.29 | lolwhut | how to i turn off all virus scanning on exim4? |
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| 23:28.48 | yoluca | the KMPlayer does that ... there is a subtitle option " draw to overlay surface " set it to on and there you go ... your sub will be under the movie ... on the black screen ... if you have a black screen at the top and bottom ... if not then it will be at the bottom as possible |
| 23:28.51 | yoluca | got it ? |
| 23:29.03 | lolwhut | i commented out the line in exim4.conf.template |
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| 23:29.13 | abrotman | RichiH: not much can be done short of an NMU .. or creating a wx-team |
| 23:29.27 | jelly-home | yoluca: this means that the overlay surface is extended to the black part, where there is no movie |
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| 23:29.54 | lolwhut | it then quits trying to use clamd.ctl (which clamav wont create for some reason) and wants to use bin/sophie |
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| 23:30.26 | biz | nmu? |
| 23:31.05 | biz | Non Maintainer Upload? |
| 23:31.26 | streuner | !nmu |
| 23:31.27 | dpkg | well, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 23:31.39 | jelly-home | lolwhut: you need to start clamav-daemon first, let it settle, then run exim. |
| 23:31.44 | yoluca | jelly-home yeah like i just said " under the movie picture " that black part at the top and bottom is part of the movie itself ... isnt it ? there is just no picture .... if you zoom in it will disappear ...the movie will cover it |
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| 23:32.11 | lolwhut | jelly-home: i've started it and it shows up is ps aux but it never makes a socket |
| 23:32.42 | jelly-home | lolwhut: delays of up to 10 seconds are not unusual |
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| 23:33.27 | jelly-home | lolwhut: but if it never creates the socket, something's obviously wrong with it |
| 23:33.43 | lolwhut | jelly-home: i restarted the daemon about 20 minutes ago :P |
| 23:33.57 | jelly-home | lolwhut: so it's not exim's fault; it's clamd. |
| 23:34.17 | lolwhut | jelly-home: agreed, but i want to turn all a/v scanning off in exim |
| 23:34.28 | xingu | yoluca: it's possible your movie is encoded that way; but it's equally possible that your movie's aspect ratio differs to your display's, and that mplayer is fixing this by drawing the bands |
| 23:34.39 | jelly-home | yoluca: no, the "black part" is only part of the movie if the movie is not cropped properly |
| 23:35.00 | xingu | yoluca: it's all a big dung pile of infinitely smelly possibilities |
| 23:35.01 | lolwhut | or get clamd working, but thats getting futile |
| 23:35.26 | yoluca | jelly-home if a movie its not with a little bit of that black screen at the top and bottom im not even watching it :) |
| 23:35.29 | jelly-home | yoluca: if the black part was part of the movie, mplayer would (be able to) draw subtitles on it |
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| 23:35.55 | yoluca | then why is KMPlayer able to draw subs to that black parT ? |
| 23:36.14 | jelly-home | yoluca: ask KMPlayer people |
| 23:36.23 | yoluca | hell yeah :) |
| 23:36.28 | RichiH | abrotman: he claims there is a team everyone can join |
| 23:36.48 | abrotman | RichiH: but he's the dictator i gather .. |
| 23:36.49 | xingu | yoluca: I bet kmplayer opens up one drawable surface for the movie and boxes that inside another surface for the subtitles |
| 23:37.02 | RichiH | abrotman: dunno, i am close to mailing him and telling him pretty much that, yah |
| 23:37.03 | jelly-home | yoluca: or, ask #mplayer whether mplayer can draw subtitles to unused parts of the screen (in fullscreen, presumably) |
| 23:37.22 | xingu | yoluca: from memory mplayer itself uses a transparent overlay that's the same geometry as the drawable with the movie in |
| 23:37.32 | yoluca | xingu dont know man ... just try it yourself and see |
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| 23:39.04 | abrotman | RichiH: i'm sure he really won't care |
| 23:39.27 | abrotman | RichiH: maybe it'd be more beneficial to ask the tech-ctte people |
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| 23:41.01 | jetscreamer | why don't you ask in #mplayer |
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| 23:42.42 | RichiH | abrotman: i will poke my handy collection of debian cabal members about their opinions |
| 23:42.55 | abrotman | RichiH: let me know what you find out |
| 23:43.45 | RichiH | sure |
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| 23:44.51 | minus198 | How do I add fonts to Open Office? |
| 23:45.02 | minus198 | I've tried several ways, but I cant get it to work. |
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| 23:46.53 | wols | wow. he really drags his feet |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | who? |
| 23:47.43 | th0ger_ifa | Hi, I cannot write to a partition mounted by '/dev/hda3 /mnt/macosx hfsplus defaults,user,auto 0 0'. It says 'Read-only file system', even though it is mounted with options 'rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=martint'. How can it be writeable and read-only at the same time??? |
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| 23:48.05 | abrotman | is there write support for hfsplus in linux? |
| 23:48.34 | th0ger_ifa | abrotman: according to man mount, yes |
| 23:49.12 | themill | RichiH: were you looking for a recent wx for etch? |
| 23:49.13 | th0ger_ifa | abrotman: ups sorry, hfsplus is supported |
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| 23:49.28 | th0ger_ifa | abrotman: dont know about w |
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| 23:49.46 | RichiH | themill: no, lenny. i grabbed an unofficial version |
| 23:50.06 | bolt | Anyone got an idea on how I can run "time" automatically for every command I enter, and display the result in the next prompt? |
| 23:50.34 | themill | RichiH: ahh. I have been using the debs provided by wx upstream with good success on etch. But it sounds like that's the route you've already explored. |
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| 23:53.18 | rasher | Is there any good reason why there are no -k7 kernel images in sid? |
| 23:53.26 | abrotman | !k7 dropped |
| 23:53.27 | dpkg | i heard k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 23:54.14 | rasher | Right. Would be nice if the meta-packages went away as well then.. |
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| 23:55.01 | RichiH | themill: i got Bastian Kleineidam's version, but that is prolly basically the same |
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| 23:55.26 | rasher | Or depended on the -686 images. Right now there are just a bunch of uninstallable meta packages :\ |
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| 23:55.37 | wols | abrotman: ron |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | rasher: there are metapackages |
| 23:56.01 | abrotman | wols: oh .. ok |
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| 23:56.13 | Miesco_ | I always get this when I type compiz: Checks indicate that it's impossible to start compiz on your system. |
| 23:56.22 | abrotman | rasher: it's is *unstable* .. |
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| 23:56.44 | themill | RichiH: indeed. Happy hunting ;) |
| 23:56.45 | wols | abrotman: from the looks of it he doesn't want to be give away the rpoject but doesn' want to work on it either. with his thinking we'd still be on libdb 1.0 |
| 23:56.48 | rasher | abrotman: Well yes, it just seems weird that the packages were just removed, without fixing the meta-packages at the same time. |
| 23:57.10 | abrotman | rasher: it's unstable .. things break .. if you want a stable system .. run stable |
| 23:57.21 | RichiH | abrotman: consensus seems to be that a hostile upload of 2.8 is the way to go |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | RichiH: kick him in the nuts! |
| 23:57.55 | rasher | abrotman: I know full well what unstable is. I'm just saying that it's an odd way of handling the package. |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | rasher: i don't think so .. but feel free to file a bug |
| 23:58.15 | RichiH | abrotman: i am about to write an email to all the bugs that will make ron hate me, i fear |
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| 23:58.31 | abrotman | RichiH: do you care? :) |
| 23:58.38 | themill | might be worth looking at d-devel for a while to see the entertainment that will ensue about this. |
| 23:59.00 | rasher | abrotman: For example, I'm not griping that the -686 meta-packages are uninstallable, because that's expected. The k7 thing is different. |
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| 23:59.23 | abrotman | rasher: right .. file a bug |
