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| 00:03.43 | techouse | nothing |
| 00:03.49 | techouse | it says this |
| 00:03.55 | techouse | Loading, please wait... |
| 00:04.09 | techouse | mknod: /devfb0: File exists |
| 00:04.15 | techouse | ans it stops right here |
| 00:04.48 | techouse | correction: /dev/fb0 |
| 00:05.13 | techouse | what uuid were you talking about 5 min ago? |
| 00:05.22 | wols | !uuid |
| 00:05.22 | dpkg | i heard uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
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| 00:06.09 | techouse | crap....this can't be it...i never had this problem before; might be some b0rked lenny package :P |
| 00:06.57 | wols | ´!rescue |
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| 00:07.02 | wols | !rescue |
| 00:07.02 | dpkg | i guess rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 00:08.06 | ShadowX | I came here wondering if anyone knows about the os-builder project, I was going to use it and their site is gone, the readme has no instructions on how to use it or anything... Has anyone used it? |
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| 00:08.33 | techouse | crap |
| 00:09.00 | techouse | wols: i can't find any /dev/disk folder |
| 00:09.16 | jetscreamer | it gets created when linux is running, i believe |
| 00:09.21 | jetscreamer | dynamic |
| 00:09.26 | techouse | ah |
| 00:09.31 | techouse | crap |
| 00:09.33 | techouse | what then? |
| 00:09.47 | wols | I doubt it'd solve you problem |
| 00:10.00 | wols | also the error message you describe looks suspicious |
| 00:10.05 | jetscreamer | my thought is you need to make sure that it's really /dev/sdawhatever you want to load as root.. hence the uuid |
| 00:10.21 | jetscreamer | yeah when mine can't find a resume image it just keeps going |
| 00:10.26 | wols | there probable are others before that |
| 00:10.37 | techouse | damn.. |
| 00:10.59 | techouse | if only i could fix this with msys |
| 00:10.59 | jetscreamer | load as / rather |
| 00:11.00 | techouse | :P |
| 00:11.06 | techouse | as /? |
| 00:11.22 | jetscreamer | / being root partition |
| 00:11.48 | mosty | i'm trying to figure out how to use my 3g phone as a hsdpa modem, is there a good howto on this somewhere (i haven't found any that work for me yet)? |
| 00:11.50 | jetscreamer | my other thought is use the grubshell (c instead of e) and try booting it manually |
| 00:12.19 | jetscreamer | is this a fresh install, or did it used to work and now it broke, techouse |
| 00:12.21 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 00:12.23 | techouse | http://pastebin.com/m2e793cfb <-- i don't like the line "errors=remount-ro" here |
| 00:12.33 | wols | techouse: why don't you do a rescue boot? |
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| 00:12.36 | jetscreamer | that is correct error= is good |
| 00:12.38 | techouse | jetscreamer: it's a 5 moths old os |
| 00:12.53 | themill | techouse: that errors line is correct |
| 00:12.54 | techouse | i just upgraded it |
| 00:13.01 | wols | the errors= things is good |
| 00:13.07 | techouse | ok |
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| 00:13.20 | jetscreamer | what kernel is it and what kernel was it |
| 00:13.32 | jetscreamer | does the old kernel still boot? |
| 00:13.40 | techouse | 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 00:13.47 | techouse | have no old kernel on it |
| 00:13.56 | techouse | i had this for 2 moths by now |
| 00:14.13 | techouse | never gave me problems |
| 00:14.23 | techouse | :'( |
| 00:14.43 | jetscreamer | you get the same thing if you add noresume,single ? |
| 00:14.59 | techouse | didn't try noresume single |
| 00:15.03 | jetscreamer | you know it goes like this eh: (hang on) |
| 00:15.04 | techouse | but i guess, yes |
| 00:15.19 | techouse | since i gets the same in single as in normal |
| 00:15.26 | techouse | (without noresume) |
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| 00:15.54 | techouse | wols: about that rescue boot....i was just on my way reading it |
| 00:15.57 | wols | we still don't know what the error(s) is |
| 00:15.57 | techouse | lol |
| 00:16.06 | techouse | funny, isn't it :D |
| 00:16.07 | jetscreamer | #kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.2 root=/dev/sdc2 ro noresume single |
| 00:16.20 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 00:16.37 | themill | jetscreamer: you're wasting your time on that one |
| 00:16.45 | techouse | damn mirc! |
| 00:16.46 | jetscreamer | beyond me anyway |
| 00:17.08 | jetscreamer | if the box was in front of me i feel like i could make it boot though |
| 00:17.08 | techouse | jetscreamer: did you say anything...i got disconnected |
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| 00:17.17 | jetscreamer | i said #kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.2 root=/dev/sdc2 ro noresume single |
| 00:17.25 | jetscreamer | not ro,noresume,single |
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| 00:18.00 | themill | techouse: I'd suggest booting off a live cd and seeing if it can make head or tail or your hard disk |
| 00:18.15 | techouse | now i have kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-amd64 root=/dev/sda3 ro vga=791 splash quiet noresume |
| 00:18.25 | ShadowX | brb... |
| 00:18.32 | techouse | themill: did that; it doesn't allow to mount it |
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| 00:18.47 | jetscreamer | doesn't allow? |
| 00:19.03 | techouse | no...some 999 error |
| 00:19.06 | techouse | or something |
| 00:19.11 | techouse | i ran kubuntu live |
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| 00:19.34 | themill | techouse: You have no idea how little help that is. |
| 00:19.42 | themill | I hope you've got backups, then. |
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| 00:19.58 | ShadowX | back |
| 00:20.01 | wols | techouse: did you always boot with "splash quiet"? |
| 00:20.04 | nosun | whats the fastest way to set noapic, don't care if its temprary |
| 00:20.05 | techouse | emm....nah...it's not much on the system, but i still made a lot of consf :P |
| 00:20.16 | wols | nosun: press "e" in grub |
| 00:20.18 | jetscreamer | splash quiet is an ubuntu type think |
| 00:20.21 | techouse | no...just when i installed splashy |
| 00:20.21 | jetscreamer | thing |
| 00:20.29 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 00:20.32 | themill | techouse: is that a recent change? |
| 00:20.36 | techouse | no |
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| 00:20.42 | techouse | has been there for 2 months |
| 00:20.46 | wols | jetscreamer: not strictly ubuntu even when they use it by default |
| 00:20.54 | techouse | here's what i did today: |
| 00:21.00 | techouse | updated lenny |
| 00:21.01 | nosun | wols, no grub |
| 00:21.05 | jetscreamer | wols: more like 'ubuntu type default' |
| 00:21.07 | nosun | this is on the install cd |
| 00:21.10 | wols | nosun: how do you boot |
| 00:21.10 | techouse | updated nvidia-glx from sid |
| 00:21.22 | techouse | updated nvidia-kernel-source from sid |
| 00:21.27 | nosun | this is on vmware to tell ya the truth |
| 00:21.30 | wols | nosun: your install cd has a boot prompt |
| 00:21.32 | techouse | sudo m-a a-i nvidia |
| 00:21.34 | techouse | restart |
| 00:21.35 | jetscreamer | put noapic on the boot prompt |
| 00:21.37 | nosun | netinstall cd |
| 00:21.39 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 00:21.48 | nosun | wols yes it does |
| 00:21.56 | jetscreamer | see also nolapic |
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| 00:22.14 | nosun | I don't want to see nothing |
| 00:22.18 | wols | techouse: boot without quiet ad splash so you cantaully SEEEEEE what's going on! |
| 00:22.19 | jetscreamer | !wb gravity |
| 00:22.19 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gravity has returned! |
| 00:22.20 | nosun | I just need this to temprarly work;P |
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| 00:22.24 | nosun | and then I throw it out;) |
| 00:22.35 | gravity | heh, thanks |
| 00:22.35 | techouse | i press escape and it goes back to text mode :D |
| 00:22.37 | nosun | and maybe I install on a actual comp |
| 00:22.58 | wols | techouse: the kernel writes a lots of interesting stuff. you want to SEE it |
| 00:23.02 | jetscreamer | yes esc goes back.. also forward |
| 00:23.06 | techouse | ok.... |
| 00:23.13 | jetscreamer | you want to hit the b eh, after you edit, not esc? |
| 00:23.20 | nosun | so anyone? |
| 00:23.23 | techouse | now with noapic, no splash and no quiet |
| 00:23.24 | jetscreamer | if you hit esc your changes are lost iirc |
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| 00:23.27 | techouse | brb |
| 00:23.30 | techouse | restarting |
| 00:23.33 | wols | nosun: you've already been told. several times |
| 00:23.36 | nosun | on a quick dirty way to get noapic |
| 00:23.47 | nosun | which is? |
| 00:23.49 | jetscreamer | add noapic to the boot: line nosun |
| 00:23.58 | nosun | I did |
| 00:24.00 | jetscreamer | try /lastlog apic |
| 00:24.06 | nosun | I typed noapic and press enter |
| 00:24.08 | nosun | and it does nothing |
| 00:24.25 | nosun | I tried -noapic |
| 00:24.26 | nosun | too |
| 00:24.26 | wols | press 2f |
| 00:24.30 | mosty | nosun, try "linux noapic" |
| 00:24.30 | jetscreamer | f2 |
| 00:24.33 | wols | F2 |
| 00:24.47 | nosun | nice deals thanks mosty |
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| 00:24.49 | jetscreamer | f2 first then add, maybe |
| 00:25.08 | lantius | hello, is there some way to downgrade a package? |
| 00:25.12 | jetscreamer | i haven't used the installer in god knows how long |
| 00:25.15 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 00:25.15 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 00:25.30 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:25.30 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compaitbility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. |
| 00:26.05 | nosun | linux noapic works:D |
| 00:26.06 | jetscreamer | nosun: maybe you want a kmuto image for recent hardware |
| 00:26.07 | nosun | thanks all |
| 00:26.09 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 00:26.16 | nosun | kmuto? |
| 00:26.31 | jetscreamer | !mosty++ |
| 00:26.34 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 00:26.34 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 00:26.44 | nosun | I just want to try out terminatorX to make sure the turntable I made works |
| 00:26.45 | nosun | right |
| 00:26.46 | nosun | :) |
| 00:26.54 | themill | dpkg: goodbye-windows.com =~ s/compaitbility/compatibility/ |
| 00:26.55 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 00:27.01 | techouse | NOAPIC DID THE TRICK!!!! |
| 00:27.04 | techouse | hahahahaha |
| 00:27.05 | nosun | rest don't matter much |
| 00:27.07 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 00:27.07 | techouse | PARTY! |
| 00:27.28 | nosun | techouse, indeed;) |
| 00:27.35 | nosun | noapic pwn's you |
| 00:27.36 | nosun | ;) |
| 00:27.57 | Supaplex | !lart techouse's buggy bios |
| 00:27.58 | techouse | !dpkg noapic |
| 00:28.01 | jetscreamer | hail |
| 00:28.24 | ShadowX | rephrasing my question, does anyone know a automatic way to remaster a Debian Distro? |
| 00:28.39 | themill | !ccd |
| 00:28.44 | themill | bah |
| 00:28.46 | jetscreamer | ShadowX: you would want to learn about d0i |
| 00:28.49 | jetscreamer | d-i |
| 00:28.49 | techouse | jetscreamer: what is noapic, anyway? |
| 00:29.02 | themill | !cdd |
| 00:29.02 | dpkg | Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 00:29.03 | jetscreamer | advanced programming .... |
| 00:29.05 | Supaplex | !apic |
| 00:29.05 | dpkg | i heard apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 00:29.10 | jetscreamer | interupt.. |
| 00:29.11 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:29.12 | jetscreamer | that |
| 00:29.25 | ShadowX | debian installer? ok, I was trying to find the project OS-Builder but the site isn't available anymore and there isn't any instructions |
| 00:29.25 | themill | !blame interupts |
| 00:29.33 | jetscreamer | techouse: iirc it's kinda like 'how many irq's can i have' |
| 00:29.51 | techouse | what's an irq? |
| 00:29.54 | jetscreamer | ShadowX: a livecd or an installer cd |
| 00:29.55 | Supaplex | ShadowX: trying to clone an existing system? |
| 00:29.58 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 00:29.58 | dpkg | i guess livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:30.01 | ShadowX | installer |
| 00:30.04 | jetscreamer | d-i |
| 00:30.09 | jetscreamer | the debian installer |
| 00:30.19 | techouse | i'm on my way to make a live debian :D |
| 00:30.30 | jetscreamer | interrupt something, i think, techouse .. i forget |
| 00:30.31 | techouse | oh...crap...gotta recompile mplayer :D |
| 00:30.35 | jetscreamer | easily googleable |
| 00:30.37 | techouse | !irq |
| 00:30.37 | dpkg | from memory, irq is (Interrupt request) This is a gateway for devices to request time from the processor to do their jobs. For instance, every time you hit a key on your keyboard an interrupt is generated on the keyboard IRQ. This is mainly only a concern for PC users. |
| 00:30.40 | jetscreamer | just install it techouse |
| 00:30.50 | ShadowX | Somewhat, but I wanted to brand it for the users of a site I do work for, we wanted to make a linux system that can be useful and provide some features of our site too(which I'd easily program myself sooner or later) |
| 00:30.56 | techouse | install what? mplayer? you crazy?! |
| 00:30.57 | techouse | lol |
| 00:31.06 | jetscreamer | no apt-get install mplayer |
| 00:31.15 | jetscreamer | see also debian-multimedia |
| 00:31.17 | Supaplex | !dmm |
| 00:31.18 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 00:31.25 | ShadowX | and thanks, I'll check out Simple-CCD |
| 00:31.31 | jetscreamer | !mplayer |
| 00:31.31 | dpkg | [mplayer] in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 00:31.58 | jetscreamer | the etch would be older version though.. marillat's probably more up2date |
| 00:32.06 | techouse | how the hell am i supposed to play x264 with it :D |
| 00:32.07 | techouse | gotta recompile ffmpeg, x264 and mplayer now |
| 00:32.07 | techouse | :P |
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| 00:32.12 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 00:32.16 | jetscreamer | works just fine |
| 00:32.27 | jetscreamer | and is part of the mplayer package |
| 00:32.27 | techouse | bah |
| 00:32.31 | techouse | to old |
| 00:32.36 | techouse | i need new stuff |
| 00:32.38 | SixT6 | I use xbmc for all media =/ |
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| 00:32.42 | techouse | to play x264 1080p |
| 00:32.43 | techouse | :D |
| 00:32.45 | jetscreamer | use the debian-multimedia packages |
| 00:32.49 | jetscreamer | more up2date |
| 00:32.50 | techouse | still 2old |
| 00:32.55 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 00:33.00 | techouse | trust me |
| 00:33.16 | techouse | <-- HD encoder |
| 00:33.18 | themill | techouse: what version do you require. |
| 00:33.18 | SixT6 | I never trust people who say "trust me" |
| 00:33.29 | SixT6 | It implies that I shouldn't be trusting them beforehand |
| 00:33.31 | techouse | of what..mplayer? the latest svn :D |
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| 00:33.57 | techouse | don't worry...i do it 2x a week |
| 00:33.57 | techouse | :D |
| 00:34.17 | jetscreamer | !lose techouse |
| 00:34.18 | dpkg | techouse: You Lose. |
| 00:34.21 | jetscreamer | same version |
| 00:34.27 | jetscreamer | not svn |
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| 00:34.31 | jetscreamer | but stable mplayer |
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| 00:34.46 | Supaplex | I just bought newegg Item#:N82E16814133199 $66 after $40MIR + HARDOCP15 coupon code PNY VCG8600GXPB GeForce 8600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card |
| 00:34.50 | jetscreamer | MPlayer v1.0rc2 |
| 00:34.58 | techouse | bah...svn is better for all this encoding shit, trust me |
| 00:35.26 | ShadowX | Thanks again, if I have any more questions I'll be sure to come here you guys are awesome! |
| 00:35.38 | abrotman | Supaplex: ECHAN ? |
| 00:35.46 | Supaplex | 00:31 < techouse> to play x264 1080p |
| 00:36.00 | techouse | you always need the latest code and patches if you want to defy the latest discs |
| 00:36.06 | SixT6 | Oh gods, I lost my debian cd-key, anyone have a spare one I can pirate? |
| 00:36.11 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 00:36.20 | themill | SixT6: yes. try 0000-0000-0000-0000 ;) |
| 00:36.21 | jetscreamer | it's at goodbye-windows.com SixT6 |
| 00:36.24 | techouse | so stable is out of the question |
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| 00:36.42 | themill | techouse: stop rambling. |
| 00:36.48 | techouse | lol |
| 00:38.33 | jetscreamer | mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd:tsaf -vf scale=720:480,harddup -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vrc_buf_size=1835:vrc_maxrate=9800:vbitrate=8000:keyint=15:trell:mbd=2:precmp=2:subcmp=2:cmp=2:dia=-10:predia=-10:cbp:mv0:vqmin=1:lmin=1:dc=10:vstrict=0:acodec=ac3:aspect=4/3 -ofps 30000/1001 -o VH.mpg vh.mpg |
| 00:39.09 | jetscreamer | maybe once |
| 00:39.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:40.45 | techouse | jetscreamer: meh...i prefer windows for encoding cause of avisynth |
| 00:41.00 | techouse | one of the 3 reasons i still got windows |
| 00:41.06 | themill | techouse: is mplayer's svn even changing significantly from week to week? Their svn logs show almost no changes except for things like "1 Line: remove unused variable" |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | why are you telling us? |
| 00:41.13 | jetscreamer | i use mplayer/mencoder in windows also |
| 00:41.32 | jetscreamer | not happy with those latest packages though |
| 00:41.36 | techouse | themill: it's been 3 weeks since i updated this box |
| 00:41.42 | jetscreamer | been wanting to compile it |
| 00:42.19 | techouse | jetscreamer: i just use x264.exe + avisynt + decoders (ffmpegsource, ffdshow, sonic, cyberlink) + graphedit |
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| 00:43.13 | techouse | damn...i gotta learn how to cross compile |
| 00:43.19 | jetscreamer | i don't have much use for x264 on this box :/ .. i've created some, but omg this box chokes on it@hq |
| 00:43.29 | techouse | hehe |
| 00:43.36 | techouse | i compile x264.exe's |
| 00:43.41 | techouse | x264.tk |
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| 00:44.03 | jetscreamer | the playback it chokes, i mean |
| 00:44.07 | techouse | oh |
| 00:44.13 | techouse | what cpu? |
| 00:44.22 | jetscreamer | xp2400 512g |
| 00:44.31 | jetscreamer | 6600gt |
| 00:44.33 | techouse | you need at least 3000+ |
| 00:44.33 | Ace2016 | just out of curiosity what does hard drive hot swapping actually mean, while the drive is spinning but not reading/writing info can you just pull it out and replace it? |
| 00:44.40 | akligman | i'm having a problem adding oldstable to my sources.list. when i try to update, apt complains that the source package is missing. |
| 00:44.50 | jetscreamer | it means that, yes.. your hardware MUST support it |
| 00:44.55 | jetscreamer | Ace2016: ^^ |
| 00:45.05 | akligman | this is the line i added: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main |
| 00:45.16 | jetscreamer | !oldstable |
| 00:45.16 | dpkg | well, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:45.18 | Ace2016 | i'm trying to put a nas together |
| 00:45.22 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 00:45.50 | themill | akligman: try http://ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 00:45.53 | akligman | can i not add a net source for that release? |
| 00:46.08 | Ace2016 | the nas says it supports it, i was wondering if i had to run some special command on a hard drive before you can pull it out |
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| 00:46.22 | Ace2016 | i mean do you have to unmount it? or does the kernel take care of it when it shuts down |
| 00:46.27 | themill | akligman: i.e. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian oldstable main |
| 00:47.10 | akligman | themill: still not working |
| 00:47.23 | techouse | jetscreamer: install libxv-dev and libasound2-dev and compile mplayer |
| 00:47.28 | akligman | themill: i had a look at the server, and the files *are* there... |
| 00:47.30 | themill | can you please pastebin the entire output of apt-get update and also your sources.list? |
| 00:47.47 | techouse | it might squeeze more juice out of your cpu |
| 00:47.59 | techouse | mplayer svn, that is |
| 00:48.18 | jetscreamer | Ace2016: i'm not sure, but don't do it until you MAKE sure, eh? |
| 00:48.30 | Ace2016 | yea of course |
| 00:48.43 | lantius | is there any difference between /usr/sbin/update-grub and /sbin/update-grub ? |
| 00:48.46 | jetscreamer | techouse: if/when i ever compile it in windows i will |
| 00:48.53 | akligman | themill: http://pastebin.ca/890752 has the interesting bits |
| 00:48.55 | jetscreamer | lantius: one is deprecated |
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| 00:49.11 | jetscreamer | lantius: only due to the location i believe |
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| 00:49.39 | jetscreamer | location in the diretory tree |
| 00:49.44 | jetscreamer | directory |
| 00:50.11 | techouse | jetscreamer: oh..windows :D |
| 00:50.18 | themill | akligman: amd64 wasn't an official release for sarge. What are you trying to do? |
| 00:50.29 | akligman | gah, right! i totally forgot |
| 00:50.37 | lantius | ok thank you . Because I have a few problems which are related to kernel and I made a cp /sbin/updated-grub /usr/sbin/update-grub and I am a little worried about taht |
| 00:50.41 | akligman | themill: i'm trying to build libapache2-mod-authz-ldap |
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| 00:50.43 | blindrat | I got this old compaq presario with 3 RCAs on the front I thought were for A/V out but from what I am reading on linuxquestions.org they are in fact inputs.. its got an 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) what would I use to make them work? |
| 00:50.59 | akligman | themill: but i need a slightly older version of a dev package that's no longer in stable. |
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| 00:51.55 | jetscreamer | lantius: not sure but i think they changed it cuz the old style was in a directory that has a tendency to be on another partition, in multi partitioning schemes |
| 00:52.37 | akligman | themill: that's probably why there isn't a binary package for amd64 in experimental either. |
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| 00:52.48 | jetscreamer | blindrat: might be an all in wonder with capture capabilities.. google the chipset, lspci|grep VGA |
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| 00:53.00 | jetscreamer | then lok at video for linux |
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| 00:53.03 | jetscreamer | look |
| 00:53.07 | themill | yep. But you *might* be able to recompile the source package. There's also probably a reason it was removed from debian. |
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| 00:53.49 | smaug9 | i get the following when i try to install anything and im afraid to reboot the box: |
| 00:53.50 | smaug9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.50 | smaug9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.55 | lantius | Now I made a apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 an it is stopped at "Running postinst hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub" |
| 00:54.06 | akligman | themill: i'm trying to build the package from source, but there's a missing header file (apr_compat.h) that is available in an older version of a package in oldstable. |
| 00:54.11 | smaug9 | how do i correct this |
| 00:54.27 | lantius | I don't know if it is going to continue some day... |
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| 00:55.15 | themill | akligman: hmm.... you could always grab the source package from oldstable, of course. |
| 00:55.48 | akligman | themill: i'm looking at getting the binary package right now out of oldstable. |
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| 00:56.16 | blindrat | jetscreamer: yeah thats what I did, googled for the info from lspci.. says it has a tuner, composite input, svideo out..etc this one doesnt seem to have anything but vga or composite |
| 00:56.30 | blindrat | I'd rather them be outputs but it looks like they are input |
| 00:56.40 | themill | akligman: Have fun (bed time for me now) |
| 00:56.42 | jetscreamer | the rca jacks should be the inputs and outputs i 'believe' |
| 00:56.57 | akligman | themill: thanks for your help. g'night :) |
| 00:57.18 | techouse | !fftw3 |
| 00:57.25 | SixT6 | !iso |
| 00:57.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, debian-cd.com, http://www.linuxiso.org, something I do with needle and thread, ask me about <netinst>, a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, jigdo, ask me about <jigdo>, did I mention <jigdo>?, see <create cd image>, a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660 |
| 00:57.28 | blindrat | jetscreamer: I'd probably need what fglrx drivers or something to use em as outputs? |
| 00:57.36 | SixT6 | !mount iso |
| 00:57.37 | dpkg | iso mount is probably mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 00:58.23 | SixT6 | That didn't work either =/ |
| 00:58.27 | killsalad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.55 | techouse | SixT6: are you sure it's an ISO? |
| 00:59.15 | SixT6 | It's an .img file |
| 00:59.21 | SixT6 | !mount img |
| 00:59.24 | techouse | it has to be .iso |
| 00:59.35 | techouse | convert it |
| 00:59.37 | jetscreamer | you have to mount it as root |
| 00:59.44 | SixT6 | Google said it worked with img as well =/ |
| 00:59.50 | techouse | oh |
| 01:00.09 | jetscreamer | $user can't use the loop module by default |
| 01:00.16 | jetscreamer | never figured out how to let one |
| 01:00.22 | wols | SixT6: depends what ".img" is |
| 01:00.41 | wols | jetscreamer: loop is a kernel module no? |
| 01:00.43 | jetscreamer | blindrat: yeah maybe.. not sure at all |
| 01:00.55 | blindrat | me either :-P |
| 01:00.57 | wols | modprobe it in /etc/modules then put the enchilada in fstab |
| 01:00.59 | jetscreamer | wols: yes, but even if the module is loaded i always have to sudo mount blah.iso |
| 01:01.00 | SixT6 | I have an img a ccd and a sub file |
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| 01:01.23 | wols | the clonecd .img is an iso |
| 01:02.00 | jetscreamer | all i'm saying is mount it as root |
| 01:02.28 | SixT6 | jetscreamer: I'm sorry to disappoint you but I already knew that |
| 01:02.31 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:02.44 | jetscreamer | then your image isn't compatible imo |
| 01:02.53 | jetscreamer | convert it like he said |
| 01:03.01 | jetscreamer | try running file on it |
| 01:03.02 | SixT6 | bchunk? |
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| 01:03.40 | wols | SixT6: first fine out what it exactly is |
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| 01:03.49 | jetscreamer | file blah.img |
| 01:04.00 | wols | *find |
| 01:04.42 | abrotman | oats |
| 01:04.44 | jetscreamer | stupor of the masses |
| 01:04.45 | abrotman | pats |
| 01:04.57 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:04.57 | SixT6 | gogo ccd2iso |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:05.09 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:05.21 | abrotman | pre-emptive! |
| 01:05.29 | jetscreamer | when the pats were in the sb last time, my cousin's friend got us into a gang war |
| 01:05.32 | SixT6 | !pre-emptive |
| 01:05.35 | jetscreamer | at a bar |
| 01:05.50 | lleoliveirabr | hi all, i want to install debian on my sony vaio, Is this supported? |
| 01:05.50 | abrotman | god tom petty looks awful |
| 01:05.52 | techouse | jetscreamer: on your windows box you could try to use Media Player Classic and CoreAVC 1.6.5.0 Pro as the x264 decoder; it *might* work |
| 01:05.52 | jetscreamer | i think they lost to the bears that time |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: uh .. in the 80s? |
| 01:06.16 | jetscreamer | techouse: ok.. but i have no use for it atm.. but thanks |
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| 01:06.25 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yeah a very very very long time ago |
| 01:06.27 | lleoliveirabr | i don't know if will work ok, so i would like to know if i install ubunto or debian |
| 01:06.45 | mosty | lleoliveirabr, should be fine |
| 01:06.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that wasn't the last time .. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/ |
| 01:06.48 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: try both |
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| 01:07.01 | techouse | CoreAVC is the most cpu friendly x264 decoder, but it's output is shit compared to libavcodec |
| 01:07.04 | lleoliveirabr | my notebook is with winvista, is it possible install without lose the vista |
| 01:07.20 | techouse | lleoliveirabr: yes |
| 01:07.22 | blindrat | jetscreamer: its halftime |
| 01:07.29 | lleoliveirabr | is just create a new partitiion? |
| 01:07.35 | lleoliveirabr | and go ahead |
| 01:07.43 | techouse | emm...no debian will create one |
| 01:07.48 | blindrat | jetscreamer: patriots are still ahead I recon.. I got it on less than 6ft away but I'm not paying attention |
| 01:07.50 | techouse | just use the manual partitioning |
| 01:07.57 | mosty | lleoliveirabr, read the install guide |
| 01:08.07 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: you can make one or have the installer do it |
| 01:08.20 | techouse | lleoliveirabr: use installGUI |
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| 01:08.29 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: if you've never used the debian installer's partitioner you may be more comfortable doing it yourself with what you know |
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| 01:08.41 | lleoliveirabr | ha ok |
| 01:08.57 | lleoliveirabr | i want 3 os, debian vista and ubuntu |
| 01:08.59 | jetscreamer | and the gui installer is slow imo on nvidia, if it even works with a recent card |
| 01:09.04 | techouse | but pls make sure to use installgui, since you're a 1st-timer |
| 01:09.07 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: install vista first |
| 01:09.20 | lleoliveirabr | yes i'm with it |
| 01:09.25 | jetscreamer | be sure and leave space on the hd |
| 01:09.32 | techouse | yeah....or it will erase the mbr :D |
| 01:09.35 | lleoliveirabr | so that neet install is not recomended |
| 01:09.36 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: see also #debian-br |
| 01:09.41 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 01:09.42 | visualdensity | \q |
| 01:09.50 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
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| 01:09.55 | techouse | net install is for pros :D |
| 01:10.05 | lleoliveirabr | ha ok |
| 01:10.12 | jetscreamer | netinstall is fine |
| 01:10.20 | jetscreamer | he's just saying gui |
| 01:10.26 | jetscreamer | vs text/ncurses |
| 01:10.36 | lleoliveirabr | netinstall is gui? |
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| 01:10.39 | techouse | no |
| 01:10.40 | jetscreamer | (unless there's not a gui netinstall) |
| 01:10.42 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 01:10.53 | techouse | there is a gui for net install |
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| 01:11.02 | techouse | i did it on an old box :D |
| 01:11.04 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: try goodbye-windows.com |
| 01:11.11 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 01:11.11 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. |
| 01:11.11 | techouse | LOL |
| 01:11.14 | lleoliveirabr | so i'll try net install |
| 01:11.15 | techouse | badvista.com |
| 01:11.16 | lleoliveirabr | great |
| 01:11.30 | jetscreamer | that is a net install but i don't know about gui |
| 01:11.44 | techouse | i like it |
| 01:11.48 | techouse | it's fast |
| 01:11.49 | lleoliveirabr | will read |
| 01:12.04 | techouse | 5 clicks 5 enters, you're there :D |
| 01:12.10 | jetscreamer | actually i think the goodbye-windows thing asks you about txt vs gui |
| 01:12.14 | jetscreamer | can't swear |
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| 01:13.36 | lleoliveirabr | i just woud like all drivers work |
| 01:13.48 | lleoliveirabr | i'm not sure abou it |
| 01:13.53 | lleoliveirabr | will have to try |
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| 01:14.32 | lleoliveirabr | is it just download debian.exe |
| 01:14.34 | lleoliveirabr | ? |
| 01:14.37 | abrotman | he likely should try ubuntu first .. it probably has all kinds of nonfree drivers |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | unless he has technical ability |
| 01:15.07 | lleoliveirabr | 171k? |
| 01:15.17 | lleoliveirabr | i don't have |
| 01:15.21 | jetscreamer | yes just download debian.exe |
| 01:15.25 | jetscreamer | and run it |
| 01:15.29 | lleoliveirabr | ok thanks |
| 01:15.40 | jetscreamer | (if vista lets you) |
| 01:16.00 | lleoliveirabr | hehe |
| 01:16.27 | lleoliveirabr | i'll try to learn linix, but its hard |
| 01:16.50 | Bushmills | learning, or linux? |
| 01:16.50 | jetscreamer | it's not as hard as it appears to be, which you learn the more you learn |
| 01:17.02 | jetscreamer | it appears quite confusing at first though |
| 01:17.05 | jetscreamer | and is :) |
| 01:17.26 | lleoliveirabr | will need help from here |
| 01:17.40 | lleoliveirabr | with the problems i will have |
| 01:17.49 | mosty | lleoliveirabr, read some docs first |
| 01:18.05 | lleoliveirabr | i would like to run a windows program called miranda |
| 01:18.10 | jetscreamer | well if you hve a recent video card you may need help for getting xwindoes to work |
| 01:18.16 | lleoliveirabr | i know exist tools to run it |
| 01:18.25 | jetscreamer | you just apt-get install mirianda and do your thing |
| 01:18.28 | jetscreamer | !info miranda |
| 01:18.29 | lleoliveirabr | what is xwindoes |
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| 01:18.38 | jetscreamer | the gui |
| 01:18.46 | techouse | !mirianda |
| 01:18.48 | lleoliveirabr | miranda just run on windows |
| 01:18.55 | lleoliveirabr | ha ok |
| 01:18.59 | jetscreamer | !info miranda etch |
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| 01:19.04 | jetscreamer | i've seen it dammit :/ |
| 01:19.05 | techouse | lol |
| 01:19.09 | mosty | lleoliveirabr, miranda as in the functional programming language? |
| 01:19.09 | Bushmills | lleoliveirabr: a linux counterpart for miranda would be pidgin |
| 01:19.18 | Bushmills | instant messenger |
| 01:19.26 | lleoliveirabr | but i love miranda |
| 01:19.31 | techouse | kopete FTW |
| 01:19.36 | abrotman | gaim or kopete |
| 01:19.37 | lleoliveirabr | needed sometime to learn |
| 01:19.38 | jetscreamer | oh i thought it was a backup program |
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| 01:19.44 | lleoliveirabr | no |
| 01:19.46 | lleoliveirabr | hehe |
| 01:19.47 | techouse | gaim != pidgin |
| 01:19.50 | lleoliveirabr | but i see wine |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 01:19.57 | mosty | lleoliveirabr, forget wine |
| 01:20.02 | lleoliveirabr | twhy |
| 01:20.03 | jetscreamer | yeah gaim changed to pidgin |
| 01:20.05 | lleoliveirabr | why |
| 01:20.06 | jetscreamer | the name |
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| 01:20.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think you meant mondo for backup ? |
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| 01:20.31 | mosty | lleoliveirabr, because wine is buggy, you're better off running windows if you absolutely must use particular windows programs |
| 01:20.31 | lleoliveirabr | miranda it's an advanced im with mny options |
| 01:20.32 | Bushmills | some issue with aol because of "aim" |
| 01:20.43 | lleoliveirabr | ha ok |
| 01:20.53 | lleoliveirabr | didn't know wine was buggy |
| 01:20.54 | abrotman | just use gaim/pidgin |
| 01:21.03 | lleoliveirabr | but i just need to run this program |
| 01:21.06 | lleoliveirabr | the only one |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | not worth it |
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| 01:21.21 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: you can try pidgin on windows .. |
| 01:21.21 | mosty | lleoliveirabr, try pidgin first |
| 01:21.35 | techouse | pidgin just sucks |
| 01:21.37 | lleoliveirabr | i already ried |
| 01:21.42 | lleoliveirabr | tes sucks |
| 01:21.45 | techouse | too much gnomish |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | techouse: stop |
| 01:22.00 | lleoliveirabr | hehe |
| 01:22.10 | marcz908 | I just had some issues with my debian server and I can't get mysql to run, syslog say: InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 120614, [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address, [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ?, [ERROR] Aborting.........there is more, but does anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:22.25 | jetscreamer | abrotman: no idea.. never installed either so probably |
| 01:23.12 | techouse | i can't connect to http://www.miranda-im.org/ :P |
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| 01:23.28 | techouse | is it just me or it the site down? |
| 01:23.29 | lleoliveirabr | yes it's down |
| 01:23.33 | lleoliveirabr | down |
| 01:23.36 | techouse | k |
| 01:23.37 | abrotman | techouse: it's OT here |
| 01:23.43 | lleoliveirabr | just today |
| 01:23.48 | lleoliveirabr | hehe |
| 01:23.53 | techouse | OT? |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | techouse: fix your problems |
| 01:24.40 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 01:24.40 | dpkg | somebody said ot was Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:25.06 | lleoliveirabr | hello i use vista |
| 01:25.11 | lleoliveirabr | so it's this |
| 01:25.12 | lleoliveirabr | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/vista/ |
| 01:25.16 | Sirgado | anybody knows an app to freeze system hard disk writes so works normally but at reboot every changes on disk are undone |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | I think we've met already |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | Sirgado: run the system off the CD ? |
| 01:25.35 | lleoliveirabr | ha ok |
| 01:25.42 | Sirgado | useful for experiment with system without fear of broken something |
| 01:25.59 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 01:26.01 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 01:26.10 | lleoliveirabr | normal mode or expert |
| 01:26.21 | jetscreamer | Sirgado: sounds like a livecd, xen/vmware, or mass chattr |
| 01:26.39 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: probably normal... unless you don't want to |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | the mass chattr could cause all sorts of issues |
| 01:26.46 | simonrvn | be eassier with virtualisation |
| 01:26.59 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 01:27.01 | simonrvn | easier* |
| 01:27.06 | simonrvn | ...and safer |
| 01:27.16 | Sirgado | you launch the freeze tool, reboot, use the system, reboot and hard disk is reverted to initial state when freeze tool was used |
| 01:27.28 | lleoliveirabr | will go now |
| 01:27.30 | lleoliveirabr | to install |
| 01:27.32 | lleoliveirabr | thanks |
| 01:27.37 | jetscreamer | well you could alway rsync it on boot, which sounds very lame |
| 01:27.38 | lleoliveirabr | later i go here again |
| 01:27.45 | jetscreamer | g'luck dude lleoliveirabr ! |
| 01:27.51 | jetscreamer | buena suerta |
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| 01:27.52 | lleoliveirabr | thanks |
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| 01:27.55 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:27.55 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:27.57 | lleoliveirabr | boa sorte |
| 01:28.04 | lleoliveirabr | ha ok |
| 01:28.07 | Sirgado | I've heard about this app, but I think it's not very popular |
| 01:28.12 | jetscreamer | that was es abrotman i know no portuguese :) |
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| 01:28.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that was br |
| 01:28.33 | jetscreamer | he was |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not for you |
| 01:28.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:28.44 | jetscreamer | but you did that already |
| 01:28.49 | jetscreamer | at him |
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| 01:28.54 | abrotman | right before he joined .. i'm psychotic |
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| 01:29.05 | jetscreamer | ol |
| 01:29.07 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 01:29.30 | jetscreamer | so is argentina br or es... :) |
| 01:29.38 | abrotman | es IIRC |
| 01:29.48 | jetscreamer | the other dude |
| 01:30.01 | jetscreamer | marketes (n=marcos@host188.190-31-59.telecom.net.ar |
| 01:30.32 | jetscreamer | (is why i ask) |
| 01:30.42 | simonrvn | br is just brazilian portuguese |
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| 01:31.19 | simonrvn | notice the first word? ;) |
| 01:31.22 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
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| 01:31.27 | hell-jack | hey |
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| 01:31.31 | Azar | mannn!! I miss most of the weekend on #debian |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | we didn't notice ... |
| 01:31.41 | hell-jack | debian:/home/hellues# gnome-system-monitor |
| 01:31.42 | hell-jack | gnome-system-monitor: symbol lookup error: gnome-system-monitor: undefined symbol: _ZN7pcrecpp6no_argE |
| 01:31.44 | jetscreamer | is? |
| 01:31.46 | hell-jack | how can i fix this |
| 01:31.49 | Azar | awww |
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| 01:32.04 | jetscreamer | aptitude purge gnome-system-monitor |
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| 01:32.12 | hell-jack | after? |
| 01:32.12 | Azar | abrotman, according with SVN , Debian is "cranky" |
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| 01:32.13 | simonrvn | Azar: tbh, no big loss |
| 01:32.15 | jetscreamer | is that the syntax? |
| 01:32.39 | hell-jack | is there another way to fix |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | oh ... /me recognizes the nick and stops |
| 01:32.41 | salvin | what's the difference between `echo foo | mail address` and `echo foo | mutt address`? |
| 01:32.42 | jetscreamer | i never use aptitude so i have to ask |
| 01:32.44 | Azar | simonrvn: I am a habitual chaser of quotes |
| 01:32.51 | hell-jack | purge is not solution |
| 01:32.53 | apol | can somebody tell me where can I find grub.conf or grub/menu.lst? (sid) |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | salvin: one is mutt .. one is mail |
| 01:33.00 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: check the bts ? |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | apol: /boot/grub/ |
| 01:33.04 | shriphani | hello, I just upgraded to the new kernel and one reboot later, I can't log into XFCE because my Xsession lasted just 10 seconds ? |
| 01:33.05 | jetscreamer | apol: /boot.. |
| 01:33.08 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 01:33.13 | apol | abrotman: not there :S |
| 01:33.13 | hell-jack | what is bts |
| 01:33.24 | jetscreamer | shriphani: check the perms on your homedir |
| 01:33.28 | jetscreamer | and files |
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| 01:33.36 | salvin | abrotman, :) |
| 01:33.43 | salvin | indeed |
| 01:33.55 | Azar | I am sure abrotman did not miss the latest LWN, I found this article fun and refreshing (a Pro for Debian) http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7228053130.html |
| 01:34.11 | simonrvn | hell-jack: it's called a bug. visdit the bts. we are not the bts. |
| 01:34.27 | simonrvn | fucking lag |
| 01:34.27 | simonrvn | visit*salv |
| 01:34.28 | Sirgado | I got the app, but it's not floss.... :( |
| 01:34.35 | simonrvn | stupid irssi |
| 01:34.36 | jetscreamer | there was also some other file permission problem, other than /home/user also.. i forget |
| 01:34.39 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 01:34.39 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 01:34.45 | Azar | simonrvn: I am on irssi, no lag here |
| 01:34.47 | abrotman | Azar: stopped reading LWN years ago |
| 01:34.54 | Azar | maybe you ride an ill server |
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| 01:35.07 | jetscreamer | ooo some fonts i don't have |
| 01:35.15 | shriphani | jetscreamer: I did a chown on my homedir right now. |
| 01:35.17 | Azar | abrotman: I only browse for debian articles |
| 01:35.43 | apol | it was grub.cfg... I wonder why it name changes... :S |
| 01:36.47 | jetscreamer | shriphani: sometimes it needs to be user only, i forget the exact conditions that have to be met, and which files/dirs... |
| 01:37.12 | shriphani | do I reconfigure xorg ? |
| 01:37.18 | jetscreamer | shriphani: is there anything returned with grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 01:37.46 | jetscreamer | except the comments i mean |
| 01:38.11 | cizzi | how likely is it that kernel ports from this website http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ will be included in the next stable debian release? |
| 01:38.35 | jetscreamer | highly unlikely, it is trivial to just compile a new one |
| 01:38.37 | shriphani | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) Not implement... |
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| 01:38.44 | jetscreamer | yeah other than that i mean |
| 01:38.54 | cizzi | okay |
| 01:38.59 | shriphani | something about MIT Screensaver... |
| 01:38.59 | cizzi | even if they support new hardware? |
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| 01:39.07 | cizzi | where would I get the source code though |
| 01:39.07 | Azar | cizzi: there were some discussions about the next release (I would say next summer) we might get the 2.6.24 due to better wireless support |
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| 01:39.16 | mosty | anyone know how to use a mobile phone as a hsdpa modem? |
| 01:39.20 | jetscreamer | shriphani: if you create another user it will work. (test it) if so it's your user directory |
| 01:39.22 | Azar | ... but is not sure... just a "pensee" |
| 01:39.22 | jetscreamer | ~ |
| 01:39.31 | shriphani | ok |
| 01:39.32 | techouse | damn....i created a live debian and it won't log in... is some lenny user logon package broken? |
| 01:39.39 | cizzi | I use a backported image, however I'd like to add some of my own patches to it |
| 01:39.54 | techouse | oh... #debian-live |
| 01:39.55 | techouse | :D |
| 01:40.06 | jetscreamer | cizzi: just download the kernel source and go for it |
| 01:40.23 | cizzi | jetscreamer - the kernel source from kernel.org won't have the new hardware support would it? |
| 01:40.24 | jetscreamer | iirc that's all you should need, given the required deps |
| 01:40.29 | jetscreamer | sure it will |
| 01:40.32 | simonrvn | Azar: sorry for parting like that, just some iffy irssi script |
| 01:40.33 | cizzi | oh ok |
| 01:40.38 | jetscreamer | but there are debian patches |
| 01:40.41 | cizzi | so this website i mentionned just compiled an image frmo that source? |
| 01:40.44 | jetscreamer | and i really mean the debian kernel source |
| 01:40.45 | Azar | simonrvn: ahhh you have groomed it :) |
| 01:40.45 | shriphani | unable to lock group file ? WTF ! |
| 01:40.57 | simonrvn | Azar: trying |
| 01:41.17 | Azar | simonrvn: I envy you: I am too busy to play with customizing it... |
| 01:41.27 | jetscreamer | but yeah kernel.org will work fine cizzi |
| 01:41.36 | cizzi | jetscreamer - thanks.. makes my live simpler |
| 01:41.44 | cizzi | life |
| 01:41.50 | cizzi | now if only the giants could win |
| 01:41.51 | cizzi | lol |
| 01:41.52 | shriphani | jetscreamer: it tells me it is unable to load group file... |
| 01:41.59 | shriphani | lock ^ |
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| 01:42.56 | jetscreamer | shriphani: and you did what to your homedir? chmod? |
| 01:43.02 | jetscreamer | chown? |
| 01:43.34 | xuser | nollidj: do you mind sharing your xorg.conf? |
| 01:43.35 | shriphani | chown. |
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| 01:43.41 | cizzi | jetscreamer - "This directory provides Debian GNU/Linux Stable installer ISO images with a modification by Kenshi Muto to support newer hardwares, such as SATA and Ethernet devices", something tells me if i download the source from kernel.org, it wont have the modifications this guy made |
| 01:43.49 | lleoliveirabr | hi |
| 01:43.51 | lleoliveirabr | back |
| 01:43.54 | lleoliveirabr | problem |
| 01:44.04 | lleoliveirabr | white screen blinking |
| 01:44.16 | killemall | im looking for a command line program to write an "iso" file to dvd |
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| 01:44.22 | lleoliveirabr | when i reload and choose debian install |
| 01:44.26 | jetscreamer | cizzi: should |
| 01:44.34 | cizzi | allright i'l give it a shot |
| 01:44.41 | killemall | im using clonezilla live which creates an iso, but doesNOT write to dvd |
| 01:44.41 | lleoliveirabr | restart |
| 01:45.00 | Azar | hehehe, SJVN gets bashed by the readers! |
| 01:45.02 | jetscreamer | killemall: dvdauthor + growisofs |
| 01:45.09 | killemall | thanks jet |
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| 01:45.34 | Azar | "how DARE you little man!" |
| 01:45.35 | shriphani | i can't view manpages as root because..... read only filesystem ? |
| 01:45.54 | wols | shriphani: ls -l /tmp |
| 01:45.57 | jetscreamer | well that's why it can't lock the group file i believe |
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| 01:46.02 | lleoliveirabr | any idea about my problem? |
| 01:46.09 | shriphani | wols total 0 |
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| 01:46.17 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: is that the gui or the text installer |
| 01:46.34 | lleoliveirabr | when i restart and choose deban install |
| 01:46.39 | lleoliveirabr | debian |
| 01:46.43 | wols | shriphani: ls -ld /tmp |
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| 01:47.01 | lleoliveirabr | understand? |
| 01:47.13 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: but when you ran debian.exe, did it ask if youwanted the gui or text installer? if so which did youpick |
| 01:47.21 | shriphani | wols: drwxrwxrwt root 4 ... |
| 01:47.25 | Azar | Debian installer does not blink the screens.. is either black solid or desktop |
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| 01:47.38 | wols | shriphani: then I guess you'd need to strace why |
| 01:47.41 | jetscreamer | Azar: it's the windows boot loader, choosing debian installer |
| 01:47.43 | lleoliveirabr | normal or expert |
| 01:47.48 | lleoliveirabr | i choose normal |
| 01:47.54 | Azar | jetscreamer: oh my... I see... dual boots |
| 01:47.56 | shriphani | wols: I'd need to what ? |
| 01:47.58 | wols | shriphani: "mount". put it up in a patebin |
| 01:48.12 | wols | !goodbye |
| 01:48.13 | dpkg | Goodbye to you too, wols |
| 01:48.15 | shriphani | err, I can't copy/paste... no x at the moment. |
| 01:48.17 | wols | !goodbyemicrosoft |
| 01:48.28 | jetscreamer | wols: yes that's what he's using |
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| 01:48.31 | Azar | thank god you are not leaving, wols |
| 01:48.33 | wols | !tell shriphani about paste without X |
| 01:48.34 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows |
| 01:48.39 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 01:48.39 | wols | jetscreamer: which is not supported here |
| 01:48.39 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. |
| 01:49.21 | lleoliveirabr | will see |
| 01:49.23 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: i suggest a netinstall cd then |
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| 01:49.46 | lleoliveirabr | ok with netinstall so i need to create a manual partition first? |
| 01:49.58 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: that debian.exe has an uninstaller also.. works very well.. no you don't have to, but you can if you wish |
| 01:50.16 | wols | !tell shriphani about console paster |
| 01:50.48 | lleoliveirabr | i didn't see an uninstall |
| 01:50.51 | lleoliveirabr | on vista |
| 01:51.24 | wols | lleoliveirabr: ther is no uninstall for vista |
| 01:51.33 | wols | and I doN't think goodbye-microsoft supports vista either |
| 01:51.43 | lleoliveirabr | really? |
| 01:52.00 | wols | yes really |
| 01:52.28 | lleoliveirabr | so i can't unistall |
| 01:52.37 | lleoliveirabr | very strange |
| 01:52.41 | wols | you can't "uninstall" OSes. you simply overwrite them |
| 01:52.56 | wols | e.g. you delete its partition |
| 01:53.15 | wols | you can't uninstall linux either |
| 01:53.19 | wols | or rather can't uninstall debian |
| 01:53.22 | jetscreamer | nono |
| 01:53.24 | lleoliveirabr | i know |
| 01:53.34 | jetscreamer | i mean the debian.exe has an uninstaller |
| 01:53.40 | jetscreamer | look in c: |
| 01:53.43 | lleoliveirabr | i say i can't unistall a program on vista |
| 01:53.45 | jetscreamer | c:\debian |
| 01:53.46 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 01:53.50 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 01:53.57 | wols | lleoliveirabr: we don't support vista |
| 01:54.07 | jetscreamer | you can also just edit boot.ini and delete that entry, and del the c:\debian directory |
| 01:54.24 | lleoliveirabr | i see now |
| 01:54.27 | lleoliveirabr | thanks |
| 01:54.30 | wols | jetscreamer: there is no boot.ini in vista |
| 01:54.32 | lleoliveirabr | will try netinstall |
| 01:54.33 | Supaplex | wols: vista is supported |
| 01:54.52 | jetscreamer | !Supaplex++ |
| 01:54.52 | wols | Supaplex: that's greap. but debian.exe isn't supported here |
| 01:54.57 | jetscreamer | for the site |
| 01:54.58 | wols | *great |
| 01:55.04 | Supaplex | I've tested that. win2k3 on the other hand, has some odd grub issue. |
| 01:55.09 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: np |
| 01:55.20 | jetscreamer | it's all i use nowadays |
| 01:55.24 | Supaplex | wols: maybe I should install a forum |
| 01:55.34 | lleoliveirabr | stable or testing? debian |
| 01:55.39 | jetscreamer | stable |
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| 01:55.45 | jetscreamer | go testing later |
| 01:55.51 | wols | Supaplex: create a channel! we'd happy to have a factoid linking to it :) |
| 01:55.51 | jetscreamer | after you get used to it |
| 01:55.53 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
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| 01:56.23 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: note that recent hardware may not be supported by the latest stable installer |
| 01:56.33 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: you may need a kmuto |
| 01:56.36 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 01:56.36 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:56.39 | lleoliveirabr | right so testing is better |
| 01:56.46 | lleoliveirabr | what is kmuto |
| 01:56.52 | wols | lleoliveirabr: no, testing is NOT better |
| 01:56.54 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: ^^ |
| 01:57.02 | lleoliveirabr | what is the better |
| 01:57.03 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: wait to go testing |
| 01:57.08 | wols | lleoliveirabr: and it's unlikely you get much help if you run into problems installing testing |
| 01:57.13 | jetscreamer | use the kmuto if you 'need' it |
| 01:57.17 | jetscreamer | you may not need it |
| 01:57.20 | lleoliveirabr | what is kmuto |
| 01:57.21 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 01:57.21 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:57.25 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 01:57.31 | wols | lleoliveirabr: what hardware do you have? what chipset and what CPU? |
| 01:57.44 | lleoliveirabr | will tell yoy |
| 01:57.47 | lleoliveirabr | you |
| 01:57.52 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 01:57.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 01:58.37 | shriphani | how do I turn on cookies in w3m ? |
| 01:58.50 | lleoliveirabr | mobiledualcore intel core 2 duo t7250 |
| 01:59.06 | lleoliveirabr | intel crestline |
| 01:59.16 | wols | use kmuto and pray |
| 01:59.29 | lleoliveirabr | pm 965 |
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| 01:59.40 | lleoliveirabr | why pray |
| 02:00.06 | lleoliveirabr | ok so i don't need testing |
| 02:00.09 | cizzi | would kernel 2.6.24 have everything 2.6.23 has and more support? |
| 02:00.09 | lleoliveirabr | version |
| 02:00.17 | lleoliveirabr | give me the correct links for me |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | cizzi: ideally .. but it's possible something buggy has been removed |
| 02:00.30 | lleoliveirabr | can be? |
| 02:00.39 | cizzi | abrotman - allright |
| 02:01.28 | lleoliveirabr | ? |
| 02:02.13 | wols | lleoliveirabr: you have the proper link already |
| 02:02.21 | lleoliveirabr | could someone give the final link of what i need to download |
| 02:02.27 | lleoliveirabr | th exactly |
| 02:02.47 | lleoliveirabr | i see many download links |
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| 02:04.07 | lleoliveirabr | ? |
| 02:04.11 | lleoliveirabr | ? |
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| 02:05.22 | lleoliveirabr | what is the difference or etch and sarge |
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| 02:06.46 | techouse | sarge is the old stable |
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| 02:06.52 | techouse | ethc is the current stable |
| 02:07.01 | techouse | etch* |
| 02:07.40 | techouse | sarge = 3.1; etch = 4.0 |
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| 02:08.34 | techouse | lleoliveirabr: what link? iso images? |
| 02:08.42 | lleoliveirabr | yes |
| 02:08.44 | techouse | oh |
| 02:08.46 | techouse | 1 sec |
| 02:08.54 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 02:09.03 | xerophyt1 | have anybody upgrade xen 3.0 to 3.1 from the etch backport, if so i have upgraded it when i boot with new xen image kernal i get this error Could not set up DOM0 guest OS does anybody know why ? |
| 02:09.38 | jetscreamer | etch is old, sarge is very old.. :) |
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| 02:09.53 | lleoliveirabr | what is new |
| 02:09.53 | xerophyt1 | jetscreamer: etch is the current stable ;) |
| 02:10.02 | techouse | lleoliveirabr: what's your cpu? what system do you want? x86 or x64? |
| 02:10.11 | lleoliveirabr | x86 |
| 02:10.17 | jetscreamer | lleoliveirabr: just stick with the etch until you learn a bit, then go testing/lenny |
| 02:10.45 | lleoliveirabr | mobiledualcore intel core 2 duo t7250 |
| 02:10.50 | techouse | lleoliveirabr: chose between these |
| 02:10.57 | techouse | 1st CD: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 02:11.09 | techouse | 1st DVD: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 02:11.33 | lleoliveirabr | what about kuto |
| 02:11.36 | lleoliveirabr | kmutu |
| 02:11.37 | techouse | or netinstall: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:11.43 | jetscreamer | hell, you really might be happier with ubuntu, lleoliveirabr ... up2u |
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| 02:12.30 | lleoliveirabr | i'll install it so |
| 02:12.33 | lleoliveirabr | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:12.44 | techouse | k |
| 02:12.47 | xerophyt1 | anyone upgrade the xen 3.1 |
| 02:13.01 | decay_ | when was the last version of debian released? |
| 02:13.07 | lleoliveirabr | i just didn't understand why you sai kmuto |
| 02:13.11 | abrotman | !etch |
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| 02:13.11 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 02:13.13 | lleoliveirabr | said |
| 02:13.17 | techouse | lleoliveirabr: you realize that neinstall = minimal debian system == only console |
| 02:13.53 | lleoliveirabr | ok, but the things will work like soud |
| 02:13.56 | lleoliveirabr | sound |
| 02:14.00 | lleoliveirabr | ? |
| 02:14.02 | techouse | you will have to rape the console for some hours to get a gui and all that you get by installing with the ordinary cd/dvd |
| 02:14.11 | lleoliveirabr | and other things |
| 02:14.17 | techouse | in console? no |
| 02:14.18 | hell-jack | how to add gpg key |
| 02:14.30 | lleoliveirabr | so net install it's not the best way |
| 02:14.37 | techouse | console =~ MS DOS :D |
| 02:14.43 | techouse | hehe |
| 02:14.43 | lleoliveirabr | my god |
| 02:14.46 | techouse | lol |
| 02:14.57 | techouse | rofl |
| 02:14.57 | lleoliveirabr | ND THIS |
| 02:14.58 | lleoliveirabr | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 02:15.04 | techouse | yeah...or DVD |
| 02:15.09 | techouse | i prefer them DVDs |
| 02:15.27 | lleoliveirabr | ok, but i'll have all things working? |
| 02:15.28 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: /topic |
| 02:15.36 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-auto |
| 02:15.36 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
| 02:15.38 | jelly-home | techouse: wait, what do you mean by "<techouse> lleoliveirabr: you realize that neinstall = minimal debian system == only console"? |
| 02:15.57 | jelly-home | techouse: that's only true if there is no network access |
| 02:16.04 | techouse | yes |
| 02:16.06 | techouse | i mean |
| 02:16.16 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.20 | jelly-home | no. |
| 02:16.21 | decay_ | !broadcmo |
| 02:16.26 | decay_ | !broadcom |
| 02:16.26 | dpkg | i heard broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43> |
| 02:16.28 | lleoliveirabr | god |
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| 02:16.53 | techouse | i still prefer installgui kde-desktop |
| 02:16.54 | lleoliveirabr | i'm very confused |
| 02:17.08 | jelly-home | techouse: netinst has the "desktop" task just like a cd or a dvd would have. please don't give false advice. |
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| 02:17.19 | abrotman | techouse: stop confusing him |
| 02:17.37 | lleoliveirabr | ok, bt i'll have all things working with netinstall? |
| 02:17.45 | lleoliveirabr | like sound and etc |
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| 02:17.55 | techouse | emm, yes |
| 02:18.00 | techouse | alsa |
| 02:18.03 | wols | lleoliveirabr: netinstall installs a basic debian system and downloads the rest it needs automatically via internet |
| 02:18.14 | lleoliveirabr | right |
| 02:18.14 | jelly-home | lleoliveirabr: if your network works, and your hardware works with debian's drivers, yes. |
| 02:18.16 | hell-jack | what is the command for key |
| 02:18.18 | hell-jack | to gpg |
| 02:18.27 | wols | !topicsmite hell-jack |
| 02:18.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon hell-jack. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:18.29 | lleoliveirabr | but the driver are minimal too |
| 02:18.30 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question. Nvidia drivers for lenny? looks like there's no nvidia-kernel-2.6.whatever packages OR nvidia-kernel-source. Am i missing something? |
| 02:18.42 | wols | lleoliveirabr: no, the drivers are the same everywhere |
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| 02:18.48 | lleoliveirabr | ha ok |
| 02:18.52 | lleoliveirabr | great |
| 02:18.56 | wols | cause it's the same kernel everywhere no matter what kind of install |
| 02:19.12 | lleoliveirabr | understand |
| 02:19.13 | wols | Jimmymaniac: you are missing what testing is |
| 02:19.15 | SixT6 | Jimmymaniac: You have to install the linux headers |
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| 02:19.16 | jelly-home | of course, it's the same _old_ kernel |
| 02:19.22 | wols | Jimmymaniac: you need to backport them from sid |
| 02:19.36 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 02:19.48 | SixT6 | wols: Why? The nvidia installer works like a charm on my computers running lenny |
| 02:19.50 | S4nD3r | how to remove only a package using apt-get? |
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| 02:19.57 | lleoliveirabr | by my pc hardware anyone has any idea if will work ok or no |
| 02:20.00 | techouse | jelly-home: i never figured out how to set the network (pppoe) in the debian installer so i always got a basic system :P |
| 02:20.01 | Supaplex | jetscreamer, wols: #goodbye-windows.com :) |
| 02:20.08 | wols | SixT6: no it breaks your package managerment. do not tell people to use it in here |
| 02:20.15 | wols | -r |
| 02:20.24 | S4nD3r | when I try to remove evince, gnome-desktop-environment is removed automatically |
| 02:20.34 | SixT6 | The ones downloaded from nvidia.com or the one in your package tree? |
| 02:20.43 | wols | SixT6: ones from nvidia.com |
| 02:20.48 | S4nD3r | I just want to remove evince !!! |
| 02:20.50 | Supaplex | !tell SixT6 -about nvidia |
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| 02:21.03 | Jimmymaniac | wols: any place i can go to read on the procedure? |
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| 02:21.18 | jelly-home | techouse: ah, the age old argument "it doesn't work for me, therefore it doesn't work for anyone else" |
| 02:21.21 | wols_ | S4nD3r: that gnome package is a metapackage, it doesn't matter |
| 02:21.40 | S4nD3r | un?? |
| 02:21.57 | techouse | jelly-home: no...i just totally forgot that it could connect to dl files; i only did that once on eth0 |
| 02:21.59 | wols_ | !info evince etch |
| 02:22.01 | dpkg | evince: (Document (postscript, pdf) viewer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-5 (etch), Packaged size: 797 kB, Installed size: 2748 kB |
| 02:22.10 | S4nD3r | I may remove evince and gnome-desktop-environment, it wont give me problems? |
| 02:22.33 | hell-jack | gnome-system-monitor: symbol lookup error: gnome-system-monitor: undefined symbol: _ZN7pcrecpp6no_argE |
| 02:22.40 | hell-jack | how can i fix this problem |
| 02:23.07 | wols_ | hell-jack: where did you get this gnome-system-monitor? |
| 02:23.55 | hell-jack | i install debian it is comingg while installing |
| 02:24.09 | hell-jack | did you ask me what your repo is ? |
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| 02:25.22 | wols_ | hell-jack: yes what package version is this monitor? |
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| 02:25.22 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 02:25.31 | jelly-home | hell-jack: dpkg -l libc6 gnome-system-monitor|tail -2 |
| 02:25.34 | Jimmymaniac | ah, another thing. Anybody can gimme some light on the C-Media CM6501 sound drivers for the onboard soundcard that comes with the Asus M2N-E SLI mobo? |
| 02:25.35 | hell-jack | 2.20-2-1 |
| 02:25.55 | hell-jack | my system monitor version |
| 02:25.59 | wols_ | hell-jack: run stable |
| 02:26.17 | hell-jack | wols |
| 02:26.18 | wols_ | Jimmymaniac: alsa-project.org |
| 02:26.24 | hell-jack | stable |
| 02:26.26 | hell-jack | etch |
| 02:26.36 | wols_ | !info gnome-system-monitor etch |
| 02:27.12 | dpkg | gnome-system-monitor: (Process viewer and system resource monitor for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1286 kB, Installed size: 3568 kB |
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| 02:27.26 | wols_ | see how you vresion is not etch. so you do not run etch |
| 02:27.58 | SixT6 | wols: I didn't see anything about breaking my package management, can you explain? |
| 02:28.04 | hell-jack | my system wants to remove nvidia-glx but my graphic card nvdia |
| 02:28.15 | Azar | wow! Thom Holverda strikes back! http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/debian-and-corporate-support/ |
| 02:28.38 | hell-jack | i downloaded nvidia and my system recognize my card but after a while system wants to remove that |
| 02:28.40 | hell-jack | why |
| 02:28.42 | hell-jack | ? |
| 02:28.58 | wols_ | hell-jack: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 02:29.28 | Azar | maybe because Debian does not like the nvidia installer? |
| 02:29.38 | Azar | right, wols_ ? |
| 02:29.42 | wols_ | Azar: no "maybe" about that |
| 02:29.45 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 02:29.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:29.48 | hell-jack | muhaha |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | Azar: i think you got the name wrong |
| 02:30.04 | hell-jack | butt debian has to recognize my card whatever it is right |
| 02:30.08 | Azar | abrotman: which name? |
| 02:30.09 | SixT6 | It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I don't know what you mean about breaking it |
| 02:30.19 | abrotman | Azar: either ? |
| 02:30.27 | Azar | ah Robert Millan |
| 02:30.31 | Azar | sorry |
| 02:30.35 | wols_ | SixT6: it overwrites files which dpkg thinks are from MESA or vice versa for example |
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| 02:30.43 | hastoplasto | hello |
| 02:30.45 | wols_ | also whenever a kernel update comes the nvidia drivers break |
| 02:31.24 | jelly-home | Azar: http://lwn.net/Articles/267369/ if you're into debunking trolls |
| 02:31.26 | hell-jack | wols_, |
| 02:31.32 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48370 |
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| 02:31.55 | Azar | non-debian packages "might" work for a while: the moment you do an update/upgrade, to the kernel they are not desirable anymore and die |
| 02:32.08 | Azar | jelly-home: that was earlier |
| 02:32.17 | hell-jack | wols my graphic card nvidia debian wants to remove that while upgrading my system |
| 02:32.21 | Azar | and this guy comes back hard at lwn's article |
| 02:32.36 | hell-jack | i removed this nvidia-glx and i install after |
| 02:32.47 | jelly-home | Azar: I meant the comments. |
| 02:32.48 | hell-jack | again debian wants to remove while upgrading |
| 02:32.54 | hell-jack | what is the problem |
| 02:32.55 | wols_ | hell-jack: this is sid |
| 02:32.57 | Azar | jelly-home: oh yse |
| 02:32.58 | Azar | yes |
| 02:33.13 | wols_ | !tell hell-jack about bat |
| 02:33.21 | abrotman | cluebat |
| 02:33.42 | hell-jack | it can be sid but debian doesnt want to remove any other sid pacckage |
| 02:33.46 | hell-jack | why nvidia |
| 02:33.49 | wols_ | abrotman: torture is against PETA rules |
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| 02:34.24 | abrotman | wols_: it's not torture .. it's euthanasia |
| 02:34.35 | Azar | hahaha |
| 02:34.35 | jelly-home | why is the factoid named "bat"? |
| 02:34.37 | hell-jack | wols |
| 02:34.44 | hell-jack | if i remove nvidia glx |
| 02:34.54 | hell-jack | and i download nvidia glx from etch |
| 02:34.55 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:34.58 | hell-jack | or lenny |
| 02:35.04 | hell-jack | problem disiaooer ? |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | !tr |
| 02:35.25 | dpkg | i heard tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 02:36.18 | Azar | hehe this image is perfect for the actual topic: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200801/error'd/engleesh.jpg |
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| 02:37.31 | Azar | hell-jack: are you running Debian unstable? |
| 02:37.58 | wols_ | hell-jack: no |
| 02:38.20 | hell-jack | yes |
| 02:38.25 | hell-jack | Azar, |
| 02:38.30 | wols_ | Azar: obviously with kernel 2.6.24-2 and nvidia 169.x |
| 02:38.47 | wols_ | hell-jack: you don't have enough knowledge to run unstable. use etch |
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| 02:38.50 | hell-jack | i install debian lenny but in order to meet my wireless card i am upgrading to sid |
| 02:38.51 | Azar | mann, latest kernel huh |
| 02:39.05 | wols_ | use sid when you know a bit more about debian or linux in general |
| 02:39.12 | Azar | hell-jack: sid is unstable, and breaks often, are you happy running it like that? |
| 02:39.13 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 02:39.23 | hell-jack | no |
| 02:39.38 | hell-jack | but debian comes with three problem to me |
| 02:39.43 | hell-jack | 1- wireless |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | so use ubuntu |
| 02:39.45 | craigevil | plus the 2.6.24 kernel still isnt playing nice with some modules |
| 02:39.47 | hell-jack | 2- sound card |
| 02:39.47 | wols_ | and you can use a backported kernel for etch (not 2.6.24 right now however) |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | it all worked there for you |
| 02:39.50 | Azar | hell-jack: so install Debian Etch, is a very good version, is stable and you get help with configurations |
| 02:39.52 | hell-jack | 3- my graphic card |
| 02:40.13 | Azar | yea, like abrotman said |
| 02:40.19 | jelly-home | hell-jack: I'd use etch + the latest kernel. |
| 02:40.28 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 02:40.33 | hell-jack | oki i ask a quenstion |
| 02:40.45 | hell-jack | is there a way to downgrade my system to etch |
| 02:40.49 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, i want both nvidia drivers and ntfs-3g (which is effy with etch's default kernel, 2.6.18-something). I went ahead and installed lenny. Am i better off with etch and some tinkering, or is it better if i stay with lenny? lately i'm much less in the mood about tinkering as i used to be some years ago, but i still prefer pure debian and not one of the descendants like ubuntu. |
| 02:40.53 | wols_ | hell-jack: no |
| 02:40.57 | Azar | hell-jack: there is no downgrade with Debian |
| 02:41.00 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 02:41.19 | hell-jack | so i change my sourcelist as etch |
| 02:41.21 | Azar | there is up^ grade but never down v grade |
| 02:41.31 | hell-jack | at leat new package become stable |
| 02:41.32 | jelly-home | Azar: the nexenta people have figured out a downgrade path. First, create a snapshot. :-) |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: ntfs-3g is at backports.org and nvidia is in etch already |
| 02:41.44 | Azar | haha |
| 02:41.54 | hell-jack | or |
| 02:42.01 | hell-jack | i delete some package |
| 02:42.17 | hell-jack | and i download it from etch |
| 02:42.18 | hell-jack | :D |
| 02:42.19 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: i tried it, and it complained that the sky would fall if i used it with a kernel older than 2.6.20 |
| 02:42.20 | Azar | hell-jack: nope it will not work, worse, gonna kill your system good bye |
| 02:42.23 | jelly-home | Azar: more seriously, they've integrated that with apt. |
| 02:42.29 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 02:42.30 | hell-jack | :D |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: they're built for etch |
| 02:42.39 | Azar | jelly-home: really!! damn.. |
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| 02:43.47 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: yes, but still everytime it mounts something it complains that i was using a broken kernel and that they wouldn't be responsible if i was sacrified to Zuul on top of a volcano, so to speak :) |
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| 02:43.58 | Azar | jelly-home: was just reading and chuckling about someone's mother tried to email to him, she printed the letter, put it in an envelope and stuffed the envelope in the floppy drive |
| 02:44.19 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: isn't Zuul the Stay-Puft ? |
| 02:44.35 | hell-jack | ok |
| 02:44.44 | hell-jack | i install gnome-system-monitor 2.14 |
| 02:44.50 | hell-jack | i try my chance |
| 02:44.54 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: no, that's Gozer, Zuul was the weird-looking chick XD |
| 02:45.00 | hell-jack | i delete some package |
| 02:45.15 | hell-jack | and i turn my system to lenny |
| 02:45.22 | jelly-home | Azar: this is why there are no floppy drives on new machines! |
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| 02:45.31 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: anyways .. it might still have that error .. but they are made for etch |
| 02:45.36 | Azar | hell-jack: don't forget to use the steering wheel, when you do the turn |
| 02:45.39 | splf | hi! a package I'm trying to compile is asking for a variable: |
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| 02:45.52 | Azar | jelly-home: yeah, "keep it simple dummy" |
| 02:45.56 | splf | $MOTIFLIBS = "-L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXt -lX11" |
| 02:46.11 | splf | which they describe as: |
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| 02:46.21 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: so, is it better if i go back to etch (where there's proper "nvidia-kernel" packages) and hope for the best on ntfs? |
| 02:46.22 | hell-jack | what is steering wheel |
| 02:46.23 | hell-jack | :p |
| 02:46.25 | splf | MOTIFLIBS - X and Motif libraries required for graphical tools. |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | splf: aptitude install x-dev |
| 02:46.42 | splf | can somebody tell where these might be located in debian? |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: well .. ntfs-3g is also in lenny |
| 02:47.05 | Azar | jelly-home: I must admit, even I won't ever buy a brand name PC, gateway did a nice job with his latest |
| 02:47.05 | jelly-home | and libmotif-dev |
| 02:47.30 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: yes, it's working fine, but i do want my nvidia drivers, and it strangely seems like they aren't on lenny |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: they've been messed up in lenny for awhile |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | though i thought they'd returned |
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| 02:48.13 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: nope, nvidia-kernel-source is mentioned but missing |
| 02:48.29 | jelly-home | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 02:48.30 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 02:48.41 | splf | abrotman: thanks, I have x11proto-core-dev (Installed), which is the one that replaced that one in unstable |
| 02:48.53 | jelly-home | hm, url changed |
| 02:48.56 | Azar | jelly-home: is gcc gonna change again? higher version? |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | splf: libmotif-dev ? |
| 02:49.23 | jelly-home | Azar: no idea, I'm not involved |
| 02:49.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: and it's slower! |
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| 02:50.35 | Jimmymaniac | so, looks like if i want nvidia drivers i must stay out of lenny for now |
| 02:50.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: and it... doesn't handle non-free, or "nvidia-kernel-source" isn't the correct package name |
| 02:50.51 | splf | abrotman: well, I also have lesstif2-dev (Installed), so I'm sure I have those include files somewhere, but it's hard to tell what specific directories are required in that variable |
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| 02:51.00 | splf | abrotman: thanks! |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: file a bug ? |
| 02:51.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: on what? |
| 02:51.13 | abrotman | splf: did it work ? |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: ask Maulkin! |
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| 02:51.42 | splf | abrotman: don't know yet, since I don't know what particular subdir they want in that var |
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| 02:51.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:52.06 | splf | abrotman: maybe I'll try a few things and see what works |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | splf: the ./configure should error |
| 02:52.52 | jelly-home | splf: if you already have lesstif's dev, that ought to be enough to make -lXm work. I think. :-) |
| 02:53.06 | xerophyt1 | does anybody know why etch backport missing linux-image for xen ? |
| 02:53.15 | splf | abrotman: yep, the problem is that one has to provide the right path in that var |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | xerophyt1: they didn't make one ? |
| 02:53.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's a freakin Motif app, you think it uses autotools? |
| 02:53.41 | splf | will be back with some news, good ones hopefully! |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: it probably only compiles with egcs! |
| 02:53.50 | jelly-home | lucky if they use xmkmf :-) |
| 02:53.55 | xerophyt1 | abrotman: looks like no ? and i am getting kernel mismatch :( |
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| 02:54.11 | xerophyt1 | abrotman: how can i make xen kernel from the kernel |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | NFC .. i don't use xen |
| 02:54.43 | xerophyt1 | abrotman: its missing xen kernel :( |
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| 02:55.18 | jelly-home | splf: Debian keeps X libs in /usr/lib these days. You shouldn't need to -L/usr/X11R6/lib |
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| 02:56.04 | splf | jelly-home: cool, but it's weird they set it up as: |
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| 02:56.18 | splf | $MOTIFLIBS = "-L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -lXt -lX11" |
| 02:56.26 | jelly-home | splf: it's not weird, it's just very old |
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| 02:56.40 | splf | you mean only the 1st one should do it? |
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| 02:57.12 | jelly-home | splf: yes. But I don't think the extra -L dir is the problem |
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| 02:57.31 | jelly-home | splf: plz provide compleat output kthx |
| 02:57.52 | splf | jelly-home: ok, I'll give it another whirl now and be back with some more concrete error msgs, thanks friends! |
| 02:58.11 | xerophyt1 | there is no xen image in the lenny too |
| 02:58.28 | john_scrotum | ssh-keygen |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:58.46 | john_scrotum | that's what i forgot. |
| 02:58.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: ooh, the qa page now has a section named "testing status" |
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| 02:59.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: eg. http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | oh .. i think i saw that |
| 02:59.41 | john_scrotum | ssh-keygen -i -f blahblah >> authori... |
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| 03:00.54 | Senopteg | Help me please, i configured pptp.after reboot it started up and there are errors. there are no console. how can i continue boot system? |
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| 03:01.36 | john_scrotum | it's usually easier to figure it out on your own than it is to ask someone else... i have absolutely no use for other people. lol. :-p |
| 03:01.58 | abrotman | why was he telling us at all ? |
| 03:02.42 | wawawewa | hello to everyone, do you how could I use a ethernet connection with a realtek 8139IId chipset? |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | 8139cp or 8130too .. likely |
| 03:03.31 | wawawewa | I tried both of them without any positive results |
| 03:03.38 | wawawewa | I don't know what to do |
| 03:03.56 | wawawewa | in other distributions i used ndiswrapper with the windows drivers |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | so use ndiswrapper on debian |
| 03:04.20 | wawawewa | and it worked but in debian when i try to install it with the netinstall cd the command is not available |
| 03:04.43 | wawawewa | is there any other chance to install without having to download the 3 dvds? |
| 03:05.05 | hell-jack | my system semms mess up |
| 03:05.06 | hell-jack | :d |
| 03:05.24 | Senopteg | how can i manualy choose, what servises to boot? or how can i pass loading service? |
| 03:05.33 | wols_ | hell-jack: it's very vrey easy to mess up a debian when one doesn't know what one does |
| 03:05.50 | wols_ | wawawewa: 8139too should be it |
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| 03:06.10 | hell-jack | hehaheha |
| 03:06.16 | hell-jack | i will learn |
| 03:06.20 | hell-jack | try and try |
| 03:06.25 | wawawewa | I tried with modprobe, i read that too but it just doesn't work |
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| 03:07.01 | Azar | wawawewa: "does not work" does not explain your issue, show us some error messages |
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| 03:07.24 | Azar | ...and stop stomping... |
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| 03:07.43 | wawawewa | ok, sorry |
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| 03:09.13 | Senopteg | eh |
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| 03:10.12 | Azar | Senopteg: usually modules are loaded at boot time |
| 03:10.19 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 03:10.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 03:10.22 | Azar | they are listed in the /etc/modules |
| 03:10.35 | Senopteg | no |
| 03:10.43 | Senopteg | e |
| 03:10.49 | Azar | Senopteg: you could take a look in /etc/modules and #comment (disable loading) of modules you don't want |
| 03:10.57 | Senopteg | there are proplem with boot |
| 03:11.01 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48372 |
| 03:11.06 | Azar | Senopteg: what problems? |
| 03:11.07 | hell-jack | hey what does that mean |
| 03:11.19 | hell-jack | which package do i have to install |
| 03:11.20 | heroxbd | Azar: also have a look at /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 03:11.23 | hell-jack | i dont understand |
| 03:11.29 | Azar | heroxbd: thanks for the heads up |
| 03:11.29 | Jimmymaniac | oh well, seems like it's better if i just go back to etch, get from backports kernel 2.6.22 to prevent the "deficient linux kernel detected" message and related risks with ntfs-3g, then use module-assistant to install the nvidia drivers. |
| 03:11.58 | Senopteg | when pptp try to boot there are errors and other servises can,t boot |
| 03:12.31 | Azar | Senopteg: what Debian version are you running? |
| 03:12.31 | Senopteg | how can i skip pptp servise booting |
| 03:12.33 | tengulre | why not found 8169.c in drivers/net directory? |
| 03:12.48 | wawawewa | Azar, i tried again to load the modules but when i run ifconfig to set up the network configuration it tells me that there's not any active ethernet connection |
| 03:13.10 | abrotman | tengulre: that's not the name ? |
| 03:13.11 | Jimmymaniac | thanks, gotta reinstall |
| 03:13.30 | heroxbd | Senopteg: take a look in /etc/rc2.d/ (if you have not ever changed a runlevel) and read "README" in it |
| 03:13.47 | Senopteg | i can,t boot system |
| 03:13.50 | Azar | wawawewa: you, "might" use a wrong cable, have you checked all connections, is the card working on another OS? |
| 03:13.59 | Senopteg | it,s boot stop |
| 03:14.01 | wawawewa | yes, in windows it works fine |
| 03:14.05 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48372 |
| 03:14.23 | heroxbd | Senopteg: Oh, have your tried "single user mode"? |
| 03:14.55 | wawawewa | i'll have to figure out a way to use ndiswrapper |
| 03:15.00 | Azar | hmm he say he can't boot Debian.. |
| 03:15.24 | heroxbd | Azar: Yes. I should have noticed it. |
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| 03:15.34 | tengulre | abrotman: which file in that direcotry support 8169 card? |
| 03:15.42 | abrotman | tengulre: i think it's 8169cp or 8169too |
| 03:15.49 | Senopteg | ii can ping it |
| 03:15.50 | Azar | heroxbd: problem is now I am mixing wawawewa's problem with Senopteg .. |
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| 03:16.21 | heroxbd | Senopteg, Can you boot into single user mode? |
| 03:16.34 | Senopteg | how can i do it |
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| 03:16.42 | Senopteg | sorry for my russian |
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| 03:17.26 | heroxbd | Senopteg: When you power on, there is a grub menu, which have various options. Have you noticed it? |
| 03:17.35 | Senopteg | yes |
| 03:17.43 | tengulre | abrotman: ok ! tks,I found it , it's name is r8169.c, I think! |
| 03:17.59 | wawawewa | you should add single to the end of your kernel boot options |
| 03:18.04 | sco50000 | my wlan0 interface is set to Mode:Auto and no matter what i try to change, nothing changes, but it shows no errors. i edited my /etc/network/interfaces and removed a couple lines about my wlan0, including one that specified the essid and one line that said something along the lines of "auto wlan0", please help |
| 03:18.12 | Senopteg | there my kernel and recovery mode |
| 03:18.53 | heroxbd | heroxbd: There is an option with "(single mode)" or things like that |
| 03:18.58 | Azar | sco50000: I might guess you have to put the lan down, edit, save and bring the lan back up? ifdown, ifup? |
| 03:19.15 | heroxbd | Senopteg: Yes, use the recovery mode. |
| 03:19.16 | Senopteg | no single mode |
| 03:19.30 | heroxbd | Senopteg: try if it can boot. |
| 03:19.34 | sco50000 | Azar: i did sudo ifconfig wlan0 down, is that equivalent to ifdown? |
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| 03:19.44 | Senopteg | i used it - pptp also try to boot |
| 03:20.12 | heroxbd | Senopteg: When it hangs, does Control-C help? |
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| 03:20.28 | Azar | sco50000: don't know about wlan0 down, ifup/down is about interfaces (if) |
| 03:20.28 | Senopteg | maybe i can manualy check what servises i want to boot? |
| 03:21.01 | heroxbd | Senopteg: Yes, but you can't even boot your machine to check |
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| 03:22.16 | Senopteg | Starting PPTP demon: error 'access denide....' |
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| 03:22.37 | Senopteg | contrl+c can't help |
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| 03:22.49 | Azar | damn windows don't let you boot Debian |
| 03:23.22 | Azar | ...or your internet provider who peeps to your pptp.. |
| 03:23.32 | heroxbd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:24.06 | Miesco | How can I free some space |
| 03:24.09 | Azar | heroxbd: I am unsure if he said he is dual booting or wawawewa |
| 03:24.11 | Miesco | A lot of space |
| 03:24.16 | malachi_constant | Miesco: apt-get clean helps ;) |
| 03:24.30 | Azar | Miesco: put the porn on a memory stick |
| 03:24.33 | heroxbd | Azar: :) |
| 03:24.45 | malachi_constant | Miesco: google for localepurge too. |
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| 03:25.55 | hell-jack | hey |
| 03:25.56 | hell-jack | help me |
| 03:26.01 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48372 |
| 03:26.07 | hell-jack | pls look at this addres |
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| 03:26.40 | Ezep | yo |
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| 03:26.55 | sco50000 | is there a way to automatically remove all my old kernels? |
| 03:27.10 | sco50000 | i have 3, but two are from before i upgraded to lenny |
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| 03:27.14 | malachi_constant | Hey, folks, does anybody live on a framebuffer here? If so, I've got some questions. |
| 03:27.16 | sinoptik | russian electric |
| 03:27.21 | Ezep | Hey ppl, why when I exec 'xterm xterm' apear infinite instances of xterm? |
| 03:27.36 | Ezep | I think, it only have to appear 2 :S |
| 03:27.39 | sinoptik | reboot :9 |
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| 03:28.50 | sinopteg | how can i skip some servise when i boot system? |
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| 03:28.58 | seek | Hello |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | sinopteg: tried hitting ctrl-c when it pauses ? |
| 03:29.15 | sinopteg | tryed |
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| 03:29.39 | Ezep | See /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:29.48 | sinopteg | :) |
| 03:29.59 | Ezep | (: |
| 03:30.01 | sinopteg | how? i can,t boot system |
| 03:30.10 | Ezep | live cd my friend |
| 03:30.17 | sinopteg | eee |
| 03:30.18 | Azar | what up Ezepanovich ? |
| 03:30.53 | seek | I'm trying to learn how to use basic Debian, sliding back from Ubuntu. I have two ultimate goals right now: Get Xen 3 running with Windows XP as a VM and use wmii (suckless.org) as my main Window Manager with Debian. Ubuntu has spoiled me too much... I am having the following problems: |
| 03:31.10 | sinopteg | there are no simply method to skip some service when you system boot up? |
| 03:31.12 | Ezep | wmii ftw |
| 03:31.20 | Ezep | Azar: about the xterms? |
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| 03:31.58 | hologram | seek: i heard wmii is excellent ... :X |
| 03:32.01 | Azar | seek: I guess you are not hoping that Debian will treat all your desires as Ubuntu did? There is more sobriety here |
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| 03:32.20 | Azar | Ezep: all I can say, nice testings you do |
| 03:32.32 | sco50000 | is there a way to automatically remove all my old kernels? i have 3, but two are from before i upgraded to lenny |
| 03:32.39 | seek | I know that Debian takes a lot more detailed configuration... I'm willing to learn |
| 03:32.49 | Ezep | Azar: but... it's a little strange, isn't it? |
| 03:32.53 | Azar | sco50000: study grub manual, personally never tried grub |
| 03:33.06 | Azar | Ezep: yep but at least you are the first one to try it |
| 03:33.25 | Ezep | I think... |
| 03:33.33 | Azar | seek: any experience with linux in general? |
| 03:33.53 | seek | 1.) Synaptic seems to have the latest GCC compiler installed, but nothing seems to compile. For example, if I run ATI's module configuration script it says that it can't determine gcc system type, falling back to default... then it fails. |
| 03:34.00 | Azar | seek: command line stuff? |
| 03:34.08 | Ezep | Azar: It would be cool to know WHY. :P |
| 03:34.08 | seek | Azar: Some, but very little |
| 03:34.16 | seek | Ubuntu and GUI has spoiled me |
| 03:34.19 | larsbars | Hi. I can't connect to wireless networks using WPA with network-manager/nm-applet. I get the message "Error opening supplicant global control interface." There are some bugs filed against this in debian (and in ubuntu, a few months ago it seems). Anybody know this problem and/or a way to fix it? (Using unstable. network-manager 0.6.5-5, wpasupplicant 0.6.1~git20071119-1) This worked a week ago. |
| 03:34.20 | Ezep | Where to ask Azar ? |
| 03:34.22 | seek | I'd like to learn command line linux though |
| 03:34.32 | Azar | seek: do some time on command line, and use "aptitude" rather than synaptic |
| 03:34.56 | Ezep | One month in tty would be cool seek :) |
| 03:35.00 | hologram | apt-cache search appname/keyword |
| 03:35.17 | hologram | apt-get install appname |
| 03:35.24 | seek | heh.. hologram. :P |
| 03:35.29 | Azar | seek: try this manual http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html and learn about aptitude |
| 03:35.36 | Ezep | man apt-get |
| 03:35.37 | Ezep | :P |
| 03:35.43 | hologram | seek: ive been insulting you for like 10 minutes and you just ignored me |
| 03:35.46 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 03:35.46 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 03:36.29 | Azar | seek: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html < general apt rules but now we all use "aptitude" |
| 03:37.11 | Azar | hologram: wait for him at the door, outside, no silly fights in here |
| 03:37.24 | hologram | Azar: its a joke were good pals ;) |
| 03:37.37 | Azar | nice |
| 03:37.55 | Miesco | Azar: No memorystick is that big |
| 03:38.23 | Azar | Miesco: then get two.., or get an external HD and save it there |
| 03:38.40 | Miesco | Im going to reinstall debian and delete everything what do I NEED to backup? |
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| 03:39.11 | Azar | Miesco: if you have "important" files, pictures, music.... Id say yes? |
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| 03:39.42 | nollidj | Miesco: probably at least /home, anything in /var like web pages and databasae contents, /etc, and make a note of what packages you've installed so that you can build a similar system when everything is back up |
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| 03:39.52 | nollidj | why do a total rebuild, though? |
| 03:40.12 | Azar | nollidj: his HD is so fat gonna explode |
| 03:40.33 | needhelp | what apps needed to set up a mail server? |
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| 03:45.14 | Bambi_BOFH | hi all, i'm wondering if i could use the debian alternatives system to symlink 'adduser' to a custom script i wrote? or will i have to package the script so it says it provides certain things? |
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| 03:48.44 | malachi_constant | x11 is kicking my ass. |
| 03:49.12 | malachi_constant | 'error in locking authority file' |
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| 03:51.22 | malachi_constant | Is there any alternative for xorg? |
| 03:51.34 | abrotman | not one oyu want to use .. fix the one you have |
| 03:51.48 | malachi_constant | I figured it'd be something like that. |
| 03:52.48 | malachi_constant | Are you refering to the framebuffer? |
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| 03:54.01 | malachi_constant | abrotman: would you happen to know what's up with this .Xauthority thing? |
| 03:54.03 | abrotman | malachi_constant: what are you trying to do? and what is the error? |
| 03:54.05 | Bambi_BOFH | there are several 'not there' alternatives |
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| 03:54.16 | malachi_constant | abrotman: 'error in locking authority file' is the error. |
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| 03:54.24 | abrotman | while trying to do ? |
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| 03:54.39 | malachi_constant | abrotman: after running startx. It exits. |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | how did you install X ? |
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| 03:55.04 | abrotman | Bambi_BOFH: man update-alternatives implies you could |
| 03:55.46 | malachi_constant | abrotman: I installed it a long time ago and didn't have any trouble until now. This install is four months old at least. I installed xfonts-base x11-common, and all the other necessary packages. |
| 03:56.02 | abrotman | try installing xorg? |
| 03:56.11 | malachi_constant | xserver-xorg? It's installed. |
| 03:56.19 | abrotman | no .. xorg |
| 03:56.23 | malachi_constant | Oh. Let me see. |
| 03:56.31 | abrotman | or chekc in your dpkg.log and see what has been updated |
| 03:56.57 | malachi_constant | I can run it fine as root though...so I think the installation itself is okay. |
| 03:57.08 | malachi_constant | I'm installing xorg now. |
| 03:57.10 | jelly-home | malachi_constant: are permissions & ownership of ~/.Xauthority sane? |
| 03:57.17 | xlotlu | is there any kernel paramater i can pass so that the initrd mdadm would skip scannning a disk? |
| 03:57.21 | malachi_constant | jelly-home: I'll check, just a moment. |
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| 03:59.02 | malachi_constant | jelly-home: I tried removing it, hoping it would be recreated on startup. There is an .Xauthority-c and an .Xauthority-l, both of which are owned by my user and 600. |
| 03:59.23 | jelly-home | malachi_constant: remove everything. :-) |
| 03:59.47 | malachi_constant | jelly-home: and then try starting it again? |
| 03:59.53 | jelly-home | indeed |
| 04:00.21 | malachi_constant | Well, that time it exited without any error at all. Looks like an improvement! |
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| 04:01.25 | jelly-home | Xorg.0.log is your friend. Also, there might be leftover locks again. |
| 04:01.54 | malachi_constant | I'll look for locks. No errors in the log though. |
| 04:02.40 | jelly-home | those -c and -l files are not there usually. I dare guess they're temp/lockfiles. |
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| 04:03.12 | Firefishe | I need to get a logitech usb headset working with etch |
| 04:04.08 | abrotman | a headset? |
| 04:04.19 | abrotman | yay .. problem solved! |
| 04:04.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: uhm .. 5am ? |
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| 04:05.33 | Firefishe | sorry..connection got schnockered |
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| 04:06.11 | Firefishe | I need help with a usb headset from logitech...I'm wanting to get it working in etch |
| 04:07.14 | malachi_constant | jelly-home: any idea what .ICEauthority does? |
| 04:07.32 | malachi_constant | That file just doesn't exist. |
| 04:08.04 | Firefishe | puter problems....brb |
| 04:08.19 | Miesco | How would I backup my ldap database? |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | if you want it in LDIF format .. slapcat |
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| 04:12.30 | Matlock | does anyone know a working driver(debian 2.6.18-5 686) for hama wireless lan 54 Mbps USB Stick 62764 ? any help were nice |
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| 04:13.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: good point, I need to be at work at 9. ;-) |
| 04:13.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: and all this time .. i thought you worked second shift :) |
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| 04:18.36 | gwiziwg | Anyone know how to resolve aptitude's desire to remove exim4-daemon-heavy and install exim4-daemon-light to resolve 'dependencies' for mail-transport-agent? |
| 04:19.02 | gwiziwg | oh.. in sarge btw |
| 04:19.14 | abrotman | gwiziwg: uhm ... those packages aren't in sarge |
| 04:19.40 | abrotman | oh .. i lie .. ignore me |
| 04:19.45 | malachi_constant | abrotman: so, what are those alternatives that I don't want to use? Because they keep looking better and better... |
| 04:20.12 | gwiziwg | uhm.. |
| 04:20.20 | abrotman | malachi_constant: seriously .. fix xorg |
| 04:20.32 | abrotman | gwiziwg: something wants it .. try to find out why |
| 04:20.41 | abrotman | !depends mail-transport-agent sarge |
| 04:21.30 | abrotman | eh .. i think that's a virtual package |
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| 04:23.14 | abrotman | malachi_constant: maybe strace it |
| 04:23.53 | gwiziwg | is there a way other than looking in aptitude's dependencies list for -heavy? |
| 04:24.27 | abrotman | gwiziwg: what are you trying to install ? |
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| 04:27.24 | waonao | I get "option_space_encapsulate: option space agent does not exist, but is configured." when I do a dhclient. What does this mean? This only happen after a recent upgrade. |
| 04:27.27 | gwiziwg | abrotman: it's installed, but aptitude doesn't show the packaging system in a stable state, which will be required to move to etch |
| 04:27.33 | helo_ | is there a maintained genesis emulator? of the two on freshmeat, one links to a dead page, and the other will only compile with gcc 3.x |
| 04:27.50 | gwiziwg | aptitude shows exim4-daemon-heavy queued to be removed |
| 04:27.52 | abrotman | gwiziwg: oh .. well .. when you get to etch .. put -light back ? |
| 04:27.58 | abrotman | erm .. heavy |
| 04:28.11 | abrotman | !Info dgen etch |
| 04:28.13 | dpkg | dgen: has nothing about Info |
| 04:28.13 | craigevil | helo_: dgen ate least in Sid |
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| 04:28.18 | abrotman | !info dgen etch |
| 04:28.20 | dpkg | dgen: (Sega Genesis/MegaDrive emulator), section non-free/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.23-9 (etch), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 1080 kB |
| 04:29.22 | waonao | no wlan expert around? |
| 04:29.25 | Strogg | Does anyone know that value in /proc/sys/net/ to change that controls how long until you can reuse a port? I've been digging in proc and I can't find it. |
| 04:30.21 | waonao | where is the official chat site for debian? |
| 04:30.29 | abrotman | this is it |
| 04:30.33 | abrotman | or as close as you'll get |
| 04:30.40 | abrotman | there's another large channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 04:30.41 | waonao | no, this is not the official one. |
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| 04:30.47 | abrotman | it's not? |
| 04:30.51 | waonao | ah, that is the oe. |
| 04:30.51 | abrotman | there isn't one? :) |
| 04:31.11 | abrotman | waonao: did you ask #wireless ? |
| 04:31.23 | waonao | isn't there a irc.debian.org? |
| 04:31.30 | abrotman | waonao: oh .. #wireless isn't related |
| 04:31.35 | edthefox | the official one is on oftc |
| 04:31.37 | abrotman | yes .. irc.oftc.net is irc.debian.org ... |
| 04:31.42 | abrotman | and it's still not official |
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| 04:31.54 | Miesco | Where does iceweasel store your bookmarks |
| 04:32.01 | abrotman | Miesco: we told you the other day |
| 04:32.10 | edthefox | well it's the one that the debian.org site points too... is that not official enough? |
| 04:32.16 | abrotman | nope |
| 04:32.17 | helo_ | ahh, thanks abrotman |
| 04:32.23 | Miesco | I dont remember |
| 04:32.39 | abrotman | in ~/.mozilla/ somewhere |
| 04:33.08 | waonao | what is the command to go to irc.debian.org |
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| 04:33.21 | Elive_user49 | how can I install smplayer? it keeps asking me that you need libc6 |
| 04:33.46 | abrotman | Elive_user49: ask #elive |
| 04:33.50 | Tramp | Strogg: I suppose you refer to the time a socket remains in TIME_WAIT? This is a well defined time (2*something) and cannot be modified, afaik |
| 04:33.57 | abrotman | waonao: usually "/server irc.oftc.net" |
| 04:34.03 | maddash | wtf? aptitude keeps insisting on installing packages recommended by the one I selected, even though I've clearly told it not to "Install recommended packages automatically" |
| 04:34.04 | waonao | thks |
| 04:34.08 | abrotman | waonao: but you'll disconnect from freenode |
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| 04:35.12 | jelly-home | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time? |
| 04:35.52 | maddash | where are the aptitude preferences stored? |
| 04:36.01 | Strogg | Tramp: Hrmm are you sure? I was told by a reliable source that it could be changed via /proc/sys |
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| 04:36.24 | Tramp | Strogg: actually I'm not sure (thus the "afaik"). |
| 04:36.45 | abrotman | Debieli: ask #elive |
| 04:36.52 | Debieli | No |
| 04:36.59 | Debieli | :( |
| 04:37.04 | abrotman | so you're going to act like you're not using elive? |
| 04:37.15 | Debieli | absolutly no ! |
| 04:37.18 | abrotman | and then when we tell you how to fix a Debian system .. you'll break your Elive system .. great plan |
| 04:37.25 | Debieli | I m using elive which based on DEBIAN |
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| 04:37.36 | abrotman | it is NOT debian .. |
| 04:37.38 | abrotman | go to #elive |
| 04:37.44 | Debieli | ... |
| 04:37.51 | abrotman | !!! |
| 04:37.51 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 04:37.52 | Debieli | what a friendly ppl |
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| 04:37.56 | Daveman | :) |
| 04:37.56 | helo_ | is zeroinstall safe to use? (rox video thumbnailer) |
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| 04:38.22 | Kevin` | practice helps I suppose |
| 04:38.43 | Tramp | Strogg: It could be /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout - but again I'm not sure 8) |
| 04:39.03 | Strogg | Tramp: http://raz.cx/blog/2005/04/making-sense-of-tcptwreuse.html Aha. :) |
| 04:39.04 | abrotman | Kevin`: did ross` fix his problem? |
| 04:39.16 | Strogg | Tramp: we were both right. hehe you can't change the value, but you can turn it off hehe |
| 04:39.17 | Kevin` | abrotman what was ross's problem |
| 04:39.26 | abrotman | Kevin`: he is at your IP .. shouldn't you know? |
| 04:39.34 | Kevin` | abrotman he's had so many. |
| 04:39.56 | abrotman | oh crap .. it's late |
| 04:40.38 | hologram | anyone know why ytalk would be giving the error: root@debian#tty3 refusing messages |
| 04:40.44 | Kevin` | it's good to know he's asking here though, instead of waiting for me to get online then asking 200 things |
| 04:41.06 | hologram | and then in /var/log/messages we have in.ntalkd[30346]: segfault at 00000000000020e1 rip 00000000004023a7 rsp 00007fff2c5f4ab0 error 6 |
| 04:41.16 | abrotman | Kevin`: uhm .. he's being a dick .. /lastlog ross |
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| 04:44.17 | Raffle | what's a killall program |
| 04:44.23 | Raffle | serenity:~/vmware-server-distrib# ./vmware-install.pl |
| 04:44.24 | Raffle | Setup is unable to find the "killall" program on your machine. Please make sure |
| 04:44.24 | Raffle | it is installed. Do you want to specify the location of this program by hand? |
| 04:45.10 | maddash | !find killall |
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| 04:45.40 | maddash | tick tock |
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| 04:46.30 | maddash | well, my dpkg is faster than the pro bono one |
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| 04:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'killall' (6 of 10): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc ;; (/sbin/killall5) in admin/sysvinit-utils ;; (/usr/bin/pkillall) in utils/librapi2-tools ;; (/usr/lib/util-vserver/legacy/vserverkillall) in net/util-vserver ;; (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_killall) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_killall) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 04:48.00 | Raffle | its not there |
| 04:48.14 | Raffle | i don't have /usr/bin/killall |
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| 04:49.19 | Tramp | !tell Raffle about search |
| 04:49.30 | Tramp | Raffle: it's in packet psmisc |
| 04:49.34 | Raffle | k |
| 04:49.36 | Raffle | thought so |
| 04:49.41 | Raffle | i ran that command 2 minutes ago |
| 04:50.20 | |chiz| | anyone here able to figure out how to fix the issue with cupsd seg faulting? |
| 04:50.42 | Raffle | sk\ |
| 04:50.44 | Raffle | k |
| 04:50.45 | Raffle | im all set |
| 04:52.28 | Facedown | so for i386, i'm only supposed to install the first CD from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 04:52.37 | Facedown | for debian etch? |
| 04:52.51 | Raffle | question |
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| 04:53.01 | Raffle | What is the location of the "make" program on your |
| 04:53.01 | Raffle | machine? |
| 04:53.03 | Raffle | i just installed make |
| 04:53.06 | Raffle | so what to i type there |
| 04:53.45 | Raffle | i used apt-get install make |
| 04:54.02 | Raffle | please help me here |
| 04:54.02 | Raffle | >< |
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| 04:56.42 | Raffle | i think its /usr/bin/make |
| 04:56.44 | Raffle | but not sure |
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| 05:00.24 | Tramp | Raffle: yes. make is /usr/bin/make. dpkg -L make would tell you. What are you trying to compile? |
| 05:00.40 | Raffle | vmware server |
| 05:00.42 | Raffle | =/ |
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| 05:02.04 | cizzi | although my hardware works with linux, is it normal for lspci to report alot of unknown devices with recent hardware? |
| 05:02.19 | Raffle | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 05:02.19 | Raffle | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 05:02.22 | Raffle | erm.. |
| 05:02.25 | Raffle | idk what to put there |
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| 05:06.56 | ivan_ | hi.. i have a little problem.. with my lapto, i have the Dell 1490 Wireless card, with kernel 2.6.18 i load the bcm43xx module, the wifi led is on but when i make iwlist wlan0 scan it show that it isnt support scanning |
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| 05:26.37 | ross` | any tips on how to unfreeze a screen screen |
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| 05:39.08 | Nyle | kill your pc |
| 05:39.15 | NinjaELF | is it posible to download files on a remote debian system using bittorent? I tried to ssh into my debian server to run bittorrent, than realized I had to keep the ssh terminal open or lose my download. |
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| 05:39.42 | Bambi_BOFH | NinjaELF: theres several (run it in screen, use a bittorrend daemon) |
| 05:40.24 | NinjaELF | is that one solution? run it in screen? |
| 05:41.41 | Bambi_BOFH | yes |
| 05:41.42 | ameyer | yes it is |
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| 05:42.11 | ameyer | probably the easiest way is screen (insert command you currently use here) |
| 05:42.43 | ameyer | and to reconnect to the screen session, you'd screen -dr |
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| 05:43.28 | NinjaELF | so "screen" is the command |
| 05:44.08 | jetscreamer | where do you set doubleclick speed |
| 05:44.11 | Bambi_BOFH | yes, thats one option |
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| 05:44.38 | jetscreamer | NinjaELF: when i run my bot, i just add & and close the xterm |
| 05:44.44 | jetscreamer | works for me, ymmv |
| 05:44.45 | Nyle | jetscreamer: up your bumbum |
| 05:44.47 | Nyle | muaha |
| 05:44.51 | Nyle | ok that was weird |
| 05:44.55 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 05:45.18 | jetscreamer | but if you're homosexual i don't hold it against you |
| 05:45.32 | Nyle | no man |
| 05:45.35 | Nyle | I had a rough day |
| 05:45.40 | NinjaELF | jetscreamer I tried that, but could not see it running when I checked with another term by running "jobs" |
| 05:45.44 | Nyle | I almost killed some random black guy |
| 05:46.01 | ameyer | jetscreamer: that works if you don't ever need to reattach |
| 05:46.04 | Nyle | I have no idea if he got to the hospital ok or not, but at this time I'm not giving a fuck |
| 05:46.09 | ameyer | s/works/usually\ works/ |
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| 05:46.21 | jetscreamer | i almost got into it with an can't drive nigerian cab driver the other day... we were both out of our vehicles and everything |
| 05:46.34 | ameyer | I've seen some GUI programs refuse to properly fork |
| 05:46.54 | Nyle | he cut me off, then has the nerve to hold hos horn down and just annoy me while we're at a red light |
| 05:46.57 | jetscreamer | he probably would have kicked my ass.. glad it ended |
| 05:47.03 | Nyle | then I got out of the car |
| 05:47.16 | jetscreamer | heh you sound like lme |
| 05:47.19 | Nyle | opened his door, and said look man, wtf is your deal? |
| 05:47.38 | Nyle | and he just goes off about shit and I'm just ok whatever the guys a dick, whatver I'm out |
| 05:47.41 | Nyle | and then |
| 05:47.42 | Nyle | this black guy |
| 05:47.58 | Nyle | he said "fucking indian piece of shit, get the fuck outta this country" |
| 05:48.05 | Nyle | I flipped out |
| 05:48.23 | Nyle | broken teech, cheek bones, maybe eyes busted, I know I broke his nose |
| 05:48.31 | Nyle | I think I kicked him in the ribs too |
| 05:48.36 | Nyle | FUCK racism. |
| 05:48.58 | jetscreamer | i'm more passive aggressive |
| 05:49.02 | Nyle | I went back to work with bloody hands and bloody pizza bags and my boss was like |
| 05:49.05 | Nyle | dude are you ok blah blah |
| 05:49.16 | ameyer | Nyle: you anywhere near Chicago? Was he about 5'9" and 240 pounds? |
| 05:49.28 | Nyle | he was quite literally, twice my size |
| 05:49.32 | Nyle | I'm only 150lbs |
| 05:49.47 | Nyle | but when you've had it with these new york assholes |
| 05:49.50 | ameyer | because they're still looking for the guy who killed 5 fat ladies yesterday |
| 05:50.10 | Nyle | new york is not a society |
| 05:50.12 | Nyle | its full of assholes |
| 05:50.21 | Nyle | they breed assholes here |
| 05:50.38 | Nyle | kids are taught to be assholes and inhuman piece of shit from the get go |
| 05:50.41 | hologram | its the same in all cities |
| 05:50.44 | Nyle | soon i'll be out of this shit hole |
| 05:50.46 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:50.50 | hologram | new york is not special in this respect |
| 05:50.53 | Nyle | you know rednecks from th south right? |
| 05:50.57 | hologram | yessir |
| 05:50.59 | Nyle | I've lived my entire life in the south |
| 05:51.02 | Nyle | never had to deal with racism |
| 05:51.03 | Nyle | EVER |
| 05:51.06 | Nyle | I'm from louisiana |
| 05:51.11 | Nyle | lived in oklahoma and texas |
| 05:51.18 | Nyle | never once did anyone say shit to me |
| 05:51.22 | hologram | well from my experience the world is really one giant asshole |
| 05:51.23 | Nyle | people are awesome down south man |
| 05:51.33 | Nyle | hologram: I can't disagree |
| 05:51.37 | hologram | you find a few intelligent people scattered about |
| 05:51.42 | hologram | but the other 99% make you forget this |
| 05:51.51 | Nyle | unfortunately |
| 05:52.16 | Nyle | I haven't fought since high school |
| 05:52.43 | Nyle | my last fight was with this asshole football jock in highschool, for which I was expelled and he was hospitalized |
| 05:52.51 | Nyle | 10 years man |
| 05:52.54 | jetscreamer | lots of assholes down here also |
| 05:52.58 | Nyle | I have not been this angry in 10 years |
| 05:52.59 | jetscreamer | don't worry |
| 05:53.40 | Nyle | like I can handle and take a lot of shit before I get angry, I am always hyper and active, but I really don't get like, ANGRY angry |
| 05:53.47 | Nyle | rarely do I ever lose my temper |
| 05:53.53 | Nyle | but tonight was it man, I just had it |
| 05:53.55 | Nyle | w/e |
| 05:54.02 | Nyle | I'm gonna go smoke and try to relax |
| 05:54.10 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I'm comin to see you soon |
| 05:54.20 | hologram | you should channel that anger into a new career as a ufc fighter |
| 05:54.40 | Nyle | nah |
| 05:54.41 | Nyle | I can't fight |
| 05:54.46 | hologram | sounds like you can |
| 05:54.47 | hologram | :X |
| 05:54.49 | Nyle | I have ok enough ground technique |
| 05:55.08 | Nyle | usd to train brazilian jiu-jitsu in oklahoma city |
| 05:55.19 | hologram | yep now the truth comes out |
| 05:55.21 | Nyle | my trainer, black belt, actually tapped out one of the gracies |
| 05:55.28 | hologram | you ever see that movie a history of violence? |
| 05:55.38 | Nyle | jetscreamer: oh come on man |
| 05:55.43 | Nyle | you know I love you |
| 05:55.51 | Nyle | c'mere give us a kiss |
| 05:55.55 | jetscreamer | he's going to kick my ass and rape me |
| 05:56.16 | hologram | just playing hard to get |
| 05:56.31 | hologram | gnite kids |
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| 06:07.09 | NinjaELF | screen is pretty cool! |
| 06:07.13 | NinjaELF | thanks guys! |
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| 06:09.34 | hologram | wait until you try screen -x :) |
| 06:09.41 | hologram | now thats cool |
| 06:11.15 | NinjaELF | can you controle a terminal that someone else is using with that? |
| 06:12.24 | NinjaELF | ok thats strange. |
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| 06:16.13 | NinjaELF | is it possible to have screen run as soon as I ssh into my server? |
| 06:16.37 | Bambi_BOFH | NinjaELF: yes, put it as the last line in your ~/.bashrc |
| 06:16.51 | Bambi_BOFH | NinjaELF: i tend to add a test to see if its running already |
| 06:17.22 | NinjaELF | how do you run the test? |
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| 06:19.06 | NinjaELF | like "set | grep screen" or something?> |
| 06:19.23 | Bambi_BOFH | NinjaELF: just use screen -ar |
| 06:19.30 | NinjaELF | or ps -aux | grep screen |
| 06:19.49 | Bambi_BOFH | yes, but -ar is easier and cleaner imo |
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| 06:22.07 | bolt | Is there a way to easily print all the \<insertnumberhere> character codes? trying to create some ascii? console only. |
| 06:22.52 | miguelp | Is there some way to change the (ugly) color of grub2 in lenny? |
| 06:23.01 | jetscreamer | miguelp: many |
| 06:23.27 | miguelp | jetscreamer: could you indicate me one? |
| 06:24.01 | miguelp | jetscreamer: I was unable to find how in the non-existent documentation :) |
| 06:24.05 | jetscreamer | just change the colors in menu.lst or use a splash image |
| 06:24.09 | xsdg | bolt: man ascii |
| 06:24.17 | jetscreamer | miguelp: you have to install grub-doc and info grub |
| 06:24.26 | jetscreamer | iirc the package name is grub-doc |
| 06:24.46 | jetscreamer | splashimage /boot/grub/splashimages/gnucheese.xpm.gz for instance |
| 06:24.54 | miguelp | jetscreamer: I'm talking about grub2, not ye ol' grub |
| 06:25.11 | jetscreamer | the ugly you dont' like is ... color cyan/blue white/blue oh... nm |
| 06:25.20 | jetscreamer | i hate that green shit |
| 06:25.56 | miguelp | jetscreamer: yes, so you say the same way used in menu.lst for grub should work for grub2? |
| 06:26.08 | jetscreamer | miguelp: no i say 'oh grub2 nm' |
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| 06:26.18 | jetscreamer | and i hate the green grub2 shit |
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| 06:26.23 | miguelp | yes. |
| 06:26.24 | jetscreamer | !tell Jimmymaniac -about root |
| 06:26.48 | jetscreamer | miguelp: it might use the same format |
| 06:26.50 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 06:27.36 | Jimmymaniac | better now :) |
| 06:28.00 | miguelp | It's quite different. |
| 06:28.02 | jetscreamer | !wb Jimmymaniac |
| 06:28.02 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Jimmymaniac has returned! |
| 06:28.54 | Jimmymaniac | heh |
| 06:30.01 | Jimmymaniac | Note to people: When installing etch with installgui, and it's almost finished downloading the packages, *do not* stay in the console 4 watching them go, the install will go nuts... |
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| 06:38.12 | doublehp | how to manually set /dev/ttyS0 to 9600B in a script ? |
| 06:40.33 | Jimmymaniac | now to reboot with the new kernel |
| 06:41.22 | nevyn | doublehp: man setserial |
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| 06:43.16 | doublehp | nevyn: several hours I am reading it |
| 06:44.19 | bolt | Is there a way to easily print all the \<insertnumberhere> character codes? trying to create some ascii? console only. |
| 06:44.25 | bolt | oops |
| 06:44.27 | bolt | ignore that |
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| 06:46.16 | doublehp | bolt: echo -ne "\0xxx" with octal value ? |
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| 06:46.47 | Jimmymaniac | Well, now just need to tasksel the desktop and i'll be good to go, with etch, nvidia binary drivers and ntfs-3g on a 2.6.22 kernel :D |
| 06:47.12 | Jimmymaniac | but that's for tomorrow, time to sleep now, ran out of caffeine i guess :) |
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| 06:50.59 | bolt | what do I have to do to be able to display characters like the filled square, double borders and such in the console? |
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| 06:56.45 | jetscreamer | install some fonts |
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| 06:57.03 | jetscreamer | languages |
| 06:57.12 | jetscreamer | fonts for languages |
| 06:59.21 | Supaplex | sup jetscreamer |
| 06:59.31 | Supaplex | !squares |
| 06:59.31 | dpkg | don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too? |
| 07:00.09 | jetscreamer | me, but not for too much longer i don't think |
| 07:00.10 | Supaplex | dpkg: squares is also <search> for missing fonts |
| 07:00.10 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
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| 07:03.32 | bolt | i have a lot of fonts, but how can I tell what numbers the cool characters have in the ascii table? also, can i run with the iso_8859-15 charset, or would i have to switch to utf-8 to use things like the borders? |
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| 07:05.45 | hell-jack | hey |
| 07:05.54 | hell-jack | microsoft bought yahoo |
| 07:06.05 | hell-jack | with 45 billion $ |
| 07:06.43 | Supaplex | I don't use yahoo anyway, so to /dev/null with it anyway |
| 07:06.47 | nevyn | l(carefactor) as l->0 |
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| 07:17.53 | tabris | hell-jack: the offer has been made, the offer has not been accepted [yet]. even if it were, it'll probably never pass muster with the EU. |
| 07:18.05 | tabris | hell-jack: so we're not all screwed yet. |
| 07:18.15 | tabris | hell-jack: besides, some think that Yahoo doesn't like this offer very much. |
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| 07:20.58 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 07:21.02 | hell-jack | oki thanks |
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| 07:23.55 | yzaLyzarC | How do I stop apache mysql? |
| 07:24.15 | yzaLyzarC | apache2 I belive |
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| 07:25.52 | TiMiDo | yzaLyzarC: /etc/init.d/apache stop; |
| 07:26.07 | yzaLyzarC | Managed to stop apache... |
| 07:26.12 | yzaLyzarC | What about mysql? |
| 07:26.21 | TiMiDo | yzaLyzarC: /etc/init.d/mysql-server stop; |
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| 07:26.34 | TiMiDo | or /etc/init.d/mysql stop; |
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| 07:31.53 | yzaLyzarC | I'm using 97M ram and 28M swap, it is only two users running screen through openssh |
| 07:32.17 | yzaLyzarC | I use less when running kde... |
| 07:32.45 | ameyer | depends on what they're running |
| 07:33.25 | ameyer | and I call bullshit on using less than 125 MB of RAM in KDE |
| 07:33.29 | yzaLyzarC | irssi, screen, and rtorrent |
| 07:33.56 | yzaLyzarC | I've managed ~80 |
| 07:33.58 | yzaLyzarC | on kde |
| 07:34.04 | ameyer | I know you can have rxvt-unicode running in fluxbox in under 50 MB |
| 07:34.15 | ameyer | I think about 35 MB |
| 07:34.32 | ameyer | I just started up KDE and I'm at about 256 |
| 07:34.35 | yzaLyzarC | But this is two users, with text based sessions. |
| 07:34.55 | yzaLyzarC | I have little ram, and the kde settings are set acordingly. |
| 07:34.59 | ameyer | yeah, well |
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| 07:35.46 | yzaLyzarC | htop shows irssi as the biggest ram user. |
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| 07:36.19 | ameyer | open a terminal and (WARNING;forkbomb, please don't actually do this) run ":(){ :|:& };:" and use the text-based excuse |
| 07:36.36 | chabal | ubuntu FTW!!!! |
| 07:36.41 | yzaLyzarC | WHat would happen? |
| 07:37.01 | ameyer | kill your system |
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| 07:37.23 | yzaLyzarC | That is the oposite of what I want to do... |
| 07:37.30 | chabal | ubuntu FTW!!! |
| 07:37.32 | ameyer | yzaLyzarC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forkbomb |
| 07:37.51 | rati | Hey I have one machine in that I dont know which distro it is? so how to know that? |
| 07:38.06 | ameyer | I'm just saying that text-based != lightweight in all cases |
| 07:38.08 | chabal | turn it off |
| 07:38.10 | chabal | and turn it on |
| 07:38.17 | chabal | look at the splash screen |
| 07:38.22 | chabal | it might say the name;) |
| 07:38.44 | ameyer | for what it does, btdownloadcurses.bittornado is quite bloated |
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| 07:41.31 | yzaLyzarC | So the forkbomb can kill windows? |
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| 07:42.25 | ameyer | yzaLyzarC: I don't think that specific forkbomb could |
| 07:42.47 | ameyer | since it relies on certain unix-like behaviors |
| 07:43.12 | yzaLyzarC | But anotherone at wikipedia can... |
| 07:43.48 | ameyer | probably |
| 07:44.07 | ameyer | and Linux can be made to be somewhat forkbomb-resistant |
| 07:44.36 | simonrvn | sure can. you outright lock it down so it doesn't even work |
| 07:44.49 | ameyer | I was thinking process limits |
| 07:44.54 | simonrvn | ...wouldn't be much use though ;) |
| 07:45.20 | ameyer | but if you're using Linux as a Windows replacement, there's not much of a point |
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| 07:45.37 | ameyer | makes sense on a multi-user system, though |
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| 07:46.01 | yzaLyzarC | I have a friend using my box for irc... |
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| 07:47.00 | ameyer | for instance, if you're running a shell server, it's not the worst idea to make it so a luser actually running what I pasted earlier could only screw themselves |
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| 07:47.28 | yzaLyzarC | ssh, so I can stop them from running it. |
| 07:47.43 | ameyer | although it's useless if a significant-enough number of users try it at the same time |
| 07:48.00 | ameyer | ]actually, killing the ssh session wouldn't help |
| 07:48.10 | yzaLyzarC | I have 5 users on my box... |
| 07:48.20 | dondelelcaro | if you set sane ulimits, you'll be fine. |
| 07:48.25 | ameyer | and it's unlikely that you'd notice before the only way to recover is to powercycle |
| 07:48.26 | yzaLyzarC | I can use "slay username" |
| 07:49.31 | ameyer | also, I think killing the processes wouldn't help since they'd be popping up as fast as they can be killed, I think |
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| 07:50.39 | dondelelcaro | it'd basically become a race |
| 07:50.42 | yzaLyzarC | So I have to manually restart? |
| 07:50.54 | dondelelcaro | yzaLyzarC: if the machine is unresponsive, yes. |
| 07:50.55 | simonrvn | i've killed a forkbomb i intentionally set off by killing the parent process |
| 07:51.05 | simonrvn | i started it in an xterm |
| 07:51.35 | simonrvn | mind you, the load avg hit 100 |
| 07:51.45 | ameyer | nice |
| 07:52.11 | ameyer | I got my load up to about 27 once intentionally |
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| 07:52.20 | ameyer | and about 20 unintentionally |
| 07:52.22 | simonrvn | iirc it went up pretty damned fast too |
| 07:52.41 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: dunno, there are Debian project machines which regularly have loads over 80. |
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| 07:52.52 | simonrvn | highest i've seen on machines i own is 120-ish, another box, 400 |
| 07:53.01 | ameyer | actually, it's amazing how responsive a system with a load of 25 is |
| 07:53.11 | ameyer | I saw a load over 1000 once |
| 07:53.16 | ameyer | NFS gone wild |
| 07:53.29 | simonrvn | if it's a semi-decent machine, yes, even older one |
| 07:53.59 | ameyer | it's a p3-500 with a sh*tton of cat /dev/urandon>/dev/null running |
| 07:54.07 | ameyer | erm, urandom |
| 07:54.31 | ameyer | I suspect the responsiveness dropped because I started to run low on RAM |
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| 07:55.34 | simonrvn | i found if the load isn't disk i/o bound ([kswapd] for instance, i.e., thrashing the swap) but due to cpu usage, it'll be more responsive |
| 07:55.38 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 07:56.03 | simonrvn | as soon as you hit more swap, you're really fucked |
| 07:56.52 | SlimG | Will I run into any trouble when trying to setup the bootable disk as software RAID10 (etch)? |
| 07:57.24 | ameyer | I don't know how much RAM each "cat /dev/urandom>/dev/null" used, but when you add in the RAM used by the terminals they were running in, I suspect that 25 of them would eat all my laptop's 128 MB of RAM |
| 07:58.23 | simonrvn | yeh... i imagine it would suck up ram then swap rather quickly |
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| 08:09.11 | yzaLyzarC | Why not use laptopa as servers? they are nice and smal. |
| 08:09.26 | yzaLyzarC | Ad would an 600mhz debian-box and an ps3 do well in an cluster? |
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| 08:10.49 | Math^ | is it posible to use a -k7 kernel with a -amd64 kernel in one install? |
| 08:11.24 | Math^ | so you can switch kernel when rebooting? |
| 08:11.55 | bolt | how do I create a 50mb file full of garbage? need it to test something... |
| 08:12.50 | yzaLyzarC | bolt: Download damn small linux, about 50mb |
| 08:13.02 | bolt | :P |
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| 08:13.35 | yzaLyzarC | But if you want garbadge you probably want something made by Microsoft. |
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| 08:17.32 | cahoot | bolt: use dd? |
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| 08:26.48 | Math^ | lol yzaLyzarC |
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| 08:27.22 | ktwilight[m] | hm, i can't get my ipod to charge in debian lenny, but it works fine in etch. any reasons? |
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| 08:36.36 | joltcan | ktwilight[m]: An Ipod gets the power from the usb bus, so that shouldn't matter |
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| 08:36.53 | cast | hello all |
| 08:37.02 | yzaLyzarC | hello cast |
| 08:37.15 | joltcan | ktwilight[m]: Either that or perhaps you have to load an USB module to get the port up and running? |
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| 08:42.02 | yzaLyzarC | Would slay root be an bad idea? |
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| 08:43.44 | cast | slay root being an what? |
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| 08:44.53 | yzaLyzarC | bad idea? |
| 08:45.05 | yzaLyzarC | I think root is using my ram... |
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| 08:45.57 | cast | :| |
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| 08:46.19 | yzaLyzarC | My box is using 28mb swap |
| 08:46.21 | cast | ok ok, processes use ram, they are owned by users, identify the process that is causing the issue |
| 08:46.35 | cast | if you kill all processes owned by root the world will assplode |
| 08:46.40 | yzaLyzarC | It is several. Most of them are root. |
| 08:46.42 | ktwilight[m] | joltcan, the odd thing is, my portable hdd works fine, and it needs power too |
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| 08:46.58 | cast | and what are their names? |
| 08:47.19 | joltcan | ktwilight[m]: That sounds really really strange |
| 08:47.19 | yzaLyzarC | - su |
| 08:47.26 | joltcan | ktwilight[m]: I'm out of ideas |
| 08:47.35 | yzaLyzarC | Killing root might kill my ssh session? |
| 08:48.24 | cast | yzaLyzarC: is there an actual problem? |
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| 08:48.46 | yzaLyzarC | My box is using 28M swap... |
| 08:48.53 | cast | so. |
| 08:48.54 | yzaLyzarC | and 97M ram... |
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| 08:49.24 | yzaLyzarC | It has 6days and 15 houres uptime, so if it con |
| 08:49.26 | yzaLyzarC | < |
| 08:49.42 | cast | so what problem is occuring? |
| 08:49.53 | ktwilight[m] | joltcan, 'xactly |
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| 08:50.11 | ktwilight[m] | joltcan, it comes up for a moment, then it goes off |
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| 08:51.13 | holmss | Hi, I have shell script with some commands which require root privileges, i did not understand solutions which I founded in google |
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| 08:51.42 | jetscreamer | #bash holmss |
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| 08:52.17 | jetscreamer | !tell holmss -about ask |
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| 08:53.25 | cast | holmss: pastebin the script |
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| 08:53.52 | debian_ | Someone turn my box off |
| 08:54.58 | cast | reminds me, tried to use a windows computer on sunday with automatic updates on, every five minutes it would minimise my game to ask me if i wanted to reboot, and give me 5 minutes to reply before it rebooted automatically :| |
| 08:55.04 | debian_ | How can I know what happened? |
| 08:55.13 | holmss | thanks for ideas :) |
| 08:55.24 | cast | debian_: and why do you thinksomeone turned it off |
| 08:55.35 | debian_ | It came up: Power button pressed, system will now halt. |
| 08:55.41 | debian_ | And my box crashed |
| 08:55.55 | jetscreamer | !blame the cat |
| 08:55.58 | cast | and had it been pressed |
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| 08:56.31 | jetscreamer | i've had both cats and dogs do that to me |
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| 09:05.23 | Maulkin | jelly-home: new location works fine, Learn to use source package names. Ktnk. |
| 09:05.30 | reZo | http://code-monkey.de/pages/xmms2-scrobbler's tar.gz's README states i have to create a symbolic link to ~/.config/xmms2/clients/xmms2-scrobbler/ from ~/.config/xmms2/startup.d/, how would i go about doing this? |
| 09:05.46 | DanThirst | ok, any one know why i keep getting a segmentation fault whenever it try to open a video playing program ? |
| 09:05.56 | DanThirst | oh yeah im usnig etch |
| 09:06.31 | reZo | DanThirst: what's the program? |
| 09:06.45 | Maulkin | And what are you trying to play? |
| 09:06.47 | DanThirst | vlc, totem, gxine |
| 09:06.56 | reZo | i use mplayer for my videos |
| 09:06.57 | DanThirst | can't even open them Maulkin |
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| 09:08.04 | DanThirst | mplayer does it too |
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| 09:09.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xine-ui , run xine-check |
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| 09:10.17 | bolt | what do I have to do to be able to display characters like the filled square, double borders and such in the console? i tried switching to a VGA font with setupcon, but I still can't get any borders or anything. Do I have to change charset? Currently running ISO-8859-15 or whatever it's called. |
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| 09:11.00 | phyburn | how can I tell apt-get to get a older package version? |
| 09:11.09 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: do you have libdvdcss2 ? |
| 09:11.14 | jetscreamer | or need it? |
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| 09:11.29 | jetscreamer | or w32codecs? |
| 09:11.44 | DanThirst | yeah i have it, but it found a few duplicate installs |
| 09:12.04 | ktwilight[m] | phyburn, you can try apt-get install -t <old stable> <package> |
| 09:12.14 | DanThirst | im just going to pastebin it |
| 09:12.41 | phyburn | ktwilight[m], what do you mean by <old stable> |
| 09:12.47 | jetscreamer | sarge |
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| 09:13.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get install -t oldstable packagename |
| 09:13.09 | ktwilight[m] | phyburn, so, something like apt-get install -t sarge packagename |
| 09:13.24 | ktwilight[m] | though, you'd need sarge in your /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 09:13.25 | DanThirst | http://danthirst.pastebin.com/m41a8a8ce results of xine-check |
| 09:13.44 | jetscreamer | you would need oldstable in it... oldstable is valid |
| 09:13.51 | jetscreamer | i guess sarge still is also |
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| 09:14.55 | jetscreamer | # |
| 09:14.56 | jetscreamer | So you should probably install xine-lib before running xine-check... press <enter> to continue... |
| 09:15.09 | phyburn | ktwilight[m], how would I add sarge to the file? Or what would I add to the file I mean. |
| 09:15.31 | ktwilight[m] | phyburn, copy and paste the line you have for etch or sid, and replace etch/sid with sarge |
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| 09:16.00 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: apt-get install libxine-dev |
| 09:16.03 | Maulkin | Also DanThirst, what are you trying to play? |
| 09:16.10 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:16.13 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: then rerun xine-check |
| 09:16.34 | DanThirst | Maulkin: told you already not trying to play anything just trying open any one of these applications |
| 09:17.02 | jetscreamer | you don't 'open' mplayer |
| 09:17.08 | jetscreamer | gmplayer yes |
| 09:17.15 | jetscreamer | mplayer is cli |
| 09:17.25 | jetscreamer | or mplayer -gui etc etc |
| 09:17.47 | Maulkin | Also, what's the output of 'dpkg -l libc6|tail -1' ? |
| 09:17.58 | Maulkin | And can you pastebin your sources.list? |
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| 09:20.07 | DanThirst | yeah sec |
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| 09:20.28 | DanThirst | here's an update http://danthirst.pastebin.com/d3a976b8 |
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| 09:21.51 | DanThirst | http://danthirst.pastebin.com/d1c05f6f3 here's the source.list |
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| 09:23.12 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: ignore the 'multiple executables' thing, it's not really true.. recursive symlinks in x11 |
| 09:23.22 | mordain | hi folks, i am installing debian 4, and during installation i chose to not use a 'network mirror', now i wish to use a mirror, how can i configure this ? |
| 09:23.32 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: so just typing xine doesn't work for you? |
| 09:23.35 | DanThirst | yeah i haven't messed with it, figured it was something silly |
| 09:24.01 | DanThirst | every one of them segmentation faults |
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| 09:24.11 | DanThirst | xine, vlc, gxine, totem, mplayer |
| 09:24.32 | Maulkin | deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main |
| 09:24.35 | jetscreamer | what does glxinfo do, in an xterm |
| 09:24.39 | Maulkin | That shouldn't be in there |
| 09:24.58 | DanThirst | it faults as well :p |
| 09:25.03 | DanThirst | mmm intresting |
| 09:25.11 | Maulkin | mordain: /msg dpkg mirror |
| 09:25.20 | jetscreamer | ati or nvidia.. but what he said about the sarge source is true |
| 09:25.26 | mordain | cool, thx |
| 09:25.26 | DanThirst | nvid |
| 09:25.56 | jetscreamer | how did you install it, debian packages or the nvidia-installer .. either way, reinstall it.. or are you using nv |
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| 09:26.13 | jetscreamer | the xorg default, nv |
| 09:26.21 | DanThirst | i had my nvidia drivers working, then updated my kernel to 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 09:26.31 | jetscreamer | reinstall |
| 09:26.35 | jetscreamer | the driver |
| 09:26.56 | DanThirst | i'v got nv |
| 09:27.09 | Maulkin | And you seem to be running 2.6.18-5-686 at the moment... |
| 09:27.11 | jetscreamer | ah... then glxinfo 'shouldn't' bork |
| 09:27.23 | DanThirst | i am intentially because i can't use VMware |
| 09:27.27 | jetscreamer | did you uninstall the broken nvida thing? |
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| 09:27.44 | DanThirst | no idea how to .. |
| 09:28.02 | DanThirst | wait i think i do |
| 09:28.02 | jetscreamer | did you use debian or nvidia |
| 09:28.06 | DanThirst | nvidia |
| 09:28.11 | Maulkin | DanThirst: it could also be broken hardware. |
| 09:28.17 | DanThirst | Maulkin: na |
| 09:28.25 | DanThirst | i screwed it up, i know i did |
| 09:28.26 | jetscreamer | it's either apt-get remove --purge nvidia* .. or sh NVIDIA-whatever.run --uninstall |
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| 09:28.29 | Maulkin | How do you know? |
| 09:28.52 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: btw http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt if you ever care to use it |
| 09:29.06 | DanThirst | ok i used module assistant ... woot |
| 09:29.48 | jetscreamer | and edit /etc/modules if nvidia is inthere and comment it out or delete it |
| 09:30.59 | SlimG | The Norwegian Bokmål 6.x-1.x-dev download link points to the nonexisting http://ftp.drupal.org/files/projects/nb-6.x-1.x-dev.tar.gz (http://drupal.org/project/Translations) |
| 09:30.59 | jetscreamer | then see if it stil borks out on you.. it may.. it may not.. but you will fix a problem and eliminate a possiblilty at the least, fix 2 problems at best |
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| 09:32.50 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: if /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so is a symlink and you're using nv, that would be why glxinfo crashes |
| 09:32.59 | jetscreamer | i believe |
| 09:33.14 | DanThirst | mmm |
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| 09:34.50 | jetscreamer | DanThirst: so what happens if you try to run mplayer in console? |
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| 09:35.15 | sniff | i'm going to downgrade libc6, any tips to avoid reinstalling the whole os? |
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| 09:35.25 | sniff | !downgrade |
| 09:35.25 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:35.39 | DanThirst | attempts to start then displays the error "segmentation fault" thats only reason i knew what the error was |
| 09:36.01 | jetscreamer | segfault is just bad error handling i think |
| 09:36.35 | jetscreamer | do you have w32codecs and libdvdcss2? |
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| 09:37.53 | moonaddict | hi all. how do I install differenz locales to a system? I only get english when doing "locale -a" |
| 09:38.05 | jetscreamer | does it work as root? are you in the video group? |
| 09:38.16 | DanThirst | jetscreamer: that doesn't even matter when you can even open the program, and no it doesn't work as root |
| 09:38.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 09:39.04 | moonaddict | jetscreamer: thanks so much :)) |
| 09:39.06 | jetscreamer | make glxinfo not segfault and you may fix all of it.. maybe not, maybe so |
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| 09:41.04 | axewell | yikes |
| 09:41.13 | axewell | biggest chan in a while ^^ |
| 09:41.32 | aislinux | Hello Guys. If I got "make[1]: g++: Command not found" Wich package is nedded? |
| 09:41.44 | DanThirst | g++ |
| 09:41.47 | DanThirst | maybe? |
| 09:42.28 | axewell | gcc? |
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| 09:42.36 | aislinux | Cant find g++ package. Can you give me closer tip |
| 09:43.30 | sniff | g++ - The GNU C++ compiler |
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| 09:43.47 | DustyBin | this year could see the release of: 802.11y wireless networking! |
| 09:44.00 | aislinux | I alredy installed g++-3.4 |
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| 09:44.13 | aislinux | *already |
| 09:44.40 | Roy_M | Hi, can someone tell me the file where all of the bootup output is sent? |
| 09:45.01 | yaboo | how can I tell what app is running on port 25 off my system |
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| 09:45.21 | joltcan | yaboo: netstat -anp|grep 25 |
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| 09:46.21 | yaboo | joltcan, thanks |
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| 09:47.46 | mosno | how do i get dpkg's listkeys to list every key? (ie. not X of Y) |
| 09:47.52 | moshii | Roy_M: dmesg |
| 09:48.01 | mosno | ie. the channel bot |
| 09:48.08 | arafangion | Hey, why is it that when I try to install a program with aptitude, using the debian dvd's, it constantly fails to unmount it? |
| 09:48.17 | moshii | Roy_M: devices are files in unix so the tty is gets outputted too counts.. hehe |
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| 09:48.37 | moshii | arafangion: Is it in use or something? |
| 09:48.38 | jetscreamer | not sure mosno ... once i read 'just do it again' but i think that was a supybot.. but i thought it was a blootbot... |
| 09:48.50 | jetscreamer | and i still do? |
| 09:49.23 | arafangion | moshii, Only by the same program. (Though, perhaps it's because gnome itself is automatically displaying a window with the cd contents...) |
| 09:49.25 | mosno | jetscreamer: redoing it lists 13 of 15, then 14 of 15, then back to 13 of 15, etc. |
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| 09:49.49 | mosno | basically i'm looking for that "nvidia post etch" one, who knows the key? |
| 09:50.05 | jetscreamer | mosno: you could always d/l the db and do things to it :) |
| 09:50.07 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 09:50.07 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 09:50.08 | blahdeblah | Hi. Can someone refresh my memory on how to draw circles or ovals in GIMP? I'm trying to highlight portions of a screenshot for user documentation. |
| 09:50.13 | moshii | arafangion: ah, some hal thing grabbing it maybe? |
| 09:50.14 | DanThirst | well thanks for trying to help me >_> i'll have to fix this later |
| 09:50.17 | Obligatory | Anybody ever got kernel module 'midi' working on an Ensoniq ES1370 PCI card? |
| 09:50.18 | mosno | jetscreamer: not the one liner |
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| 09:50.44 | mosno | jetscreamer: that reeks of effort :) |
| 09:50.51 | arafangion | moshii, Indeed, but it aptitude really should work on a _default_ install of debian! (Only changes is that in tasksel, a desktop system was chosen) |
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| 09:50.56 | moshii | Obligatory: use the software midi thing, timidity |
| 09:51.09 | moshii | arafangion: base is the only default. |
| 09:51.48 | arafangion | moshii, Fine, what should we call this setup then? |
| 09:51.54 | moshii | arafangion: If you think it's a problem submit a bug so that it gets fixed before lenny though |
| 09:52.07 | jetscreamer | [03.54.25] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'nvidia' by key (15 of 92): #debian nvidia one-liner ;; #debian-bots nvidia-installer ;; _default nvidia ;; _default nvidia installer ;; _default nvidia twinview ;; nvidia ;; nvidia howto german ;; nvidia legacy ;; nvidia post_etch ;; nvidia x ;; nvidia-installer really sucks ;; nvidia_homegrown ;; nvidia_legacy ;; tvout nvidia ;; ~nvidia debs. |
| 09:52.07 | jetscreamer | [03.54.38] <jetscreamer> nvidia post_etch |
| 09:52.14 | jetscreamer | yes it does.. |
| 09:52.52 | arafangion | moshii, Just noticed that it doesn't always happen, I'll submit the bug if I can reliably reproduce it. |
| 09:52.52 | Obligatory | moshii, I do use timidity, it's great; but I'm curious if the ES1370 midi stuff works. I notice I have kernel modules installed like 'snd_seq_midi' and am curious if they actually do anything. |
| 09:53.02 | arafangion | moshii, :) |
| 09:53.18 | mosno | jetscreamer: that's bizarre, listkeys didn't list it for me |
| 09:53.43 | jetscreamer | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 09:53.43 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:53.44 | mosno | jetscreamer: hrm, but it does now |
| 09:53.55 | mosno | thanks (?) |
| 09:53.55 | jetscreamer | no effort at all... |
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| 09:54.09 | moshii | arafangion: I've never had a problem with hal/kde automagically scanning the cd, maybe gnome is doing something weird and locking the device so that aptitude can't umount it. Try it without gnome running. |
| 09:54.17 | Obligatory | Another thing is that that 'timidity' is a CPU hog, so even inferior hardware midi might be useful. |
| 09:54.25 | sniff | anyone with pointers on downgrading libc6? |
| 09:54.46 | mosno | jetscreamer: you have done well :) |
| 09:54.51 | moshii | Obligatory: I've got a feeling it's one of those modules that worked long long about but no one has tested it reently ;) |
| 09:54.52 | jetscreamer | sniff: basically just be prepared to reinstall from scratch, back stuff up |
| 09:54.53 | Kevin` | sniff something best avoided |
| 09:55.04 | sniff | i know, and i am backing stuff up |
| 09:55.05 | arafangion | moshii, Well, I've noticed it never happens when it asks for DVD #1, maybe my burn is incorrect for DVD #2. |
| 09:55.10 | mosno | jetscreamer: now, time to reboot (and see how diligent sid bug reporters are) |
| 09:55.11 | Kevin` | sniff along with upgrading, except from packages |
| 09:55.21 | sniff | i did it successfuly once, all the other times didn't work :p |
| 09:55.25 | jetscreamer | arafangion: you have to use apt-cdrom to set up dvd's and cd's |
| 09:55.31 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
| 09:55.36 | arafangion | jetscreamer, I found out the hard way. ;) |
| 09:55.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:55.42 | sniff | Kevin`: along with upgrading? avoided you mean? |
| 09:55.47 | arafangion | jetscreamer, Fortunately I happen to read apt's messages. :) |
| 09:55.48 | Kevin` | yes |
| 09:55.48 | moshii | arafangion: mmm if your burn was bad you'd soon find out I think |
| 09:55.49 | Obligatory | moshii, sometimes it' bugs me not know what some modules do... |
| 09:56.14 | arafangion | moshii, Perhaps it exacerabated some race condition, or maybe I really did have something wierd happening, as it's not happening now. |
| 09:56.15 | Kevin` | sniff it's my opinion that it's probably easier to correct whatever need you have for using an odd version |
| 09:56.23 | moshii | Obligatory: you have the sauce. |
| 09:56.26 | Kevin` | *easier in the long run |
| 09:56.42 | Obligatory | moshii, I should use the sauce, huh? |
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| 09:56.52 | jetscreamer | rocket sauce! |
| 09:56.57 | jetscreamer | !rocket sauce |
| 09:57.02 | jetscreamer | muhahhaha |
| 09:57.12 | moshii | Obligatory: if you really need to find out what it does.. you have the code for it :) |
| 09:57.13 | enouf | arafangion: man apt-<tab><tab> goes a long way ;-) |
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| 09:57.51 | moshii | mmm is there anything that'll generate a collage from a directory of images? I what to generate a "chinese porn from tor" streaming collage |
| 09:58.25 | arafangion | enouf, With which shell? |
| 09:58.30 | Obligatory | Code... groan. I think I probably enabled those midi modules ages ago in a "try this" spree, then forgot about them. |
| 09:58.34 | Kevin` | moshii sounds fun |
| 09:58.46 | enouf | i use the 'luv-u-long-time' app for that |
| 09:59.02 | moshii | Kevin`: you wouldn't believe the stuff that goes through a tor endpoint. |
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| 09:59.45 | Daviey | moshii: are you an evil tor admin that checks per chance? |
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| 10:00.44 | sniff | Kevin`: well i've some issues with packages i can't install etc |
| 10:00.48 | Obligatory | moshii, yeah, for collages there's a package called 'metapixel' (which I haven't tried), and another which I used two weeks ago and am trying to recall the name of... |
| 10:00.56 | sniff | Kevin` care to point me out somewhere? |
| 10:01.19 | moshii | Daviey: dumping all the packets that come off of it... using tcpxtract and urlsnarf on that to generate some interesting stuff |
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| 10:01.43 | moshii | Obligatory: I'll check metapixel out, cheers :) |
| 10:01.52 | Kevin` | sniff packages from debian repos? if not, just install them from source |
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| 10:02.43 | sniff | and leave the system like it is? |
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| 10:03.20 | Kevin` | sniff yes, leave the system in the state it wants to be from debian stable |
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| 10:03.37 | Roy_M | thanks moshii, appreciate it :) |
| 10:04.04 | sniff | Kevin`: its rather broken, i did it 6 months ago when i installed openssh from unstable on etch :p |
| 10:04.32 | Kevin` | sniff see, your system doesn't like that, be nice to your system :) |
| 10:04.45 | moshii | sniff: that was silly |
| 10:04.51 | sniff | i didn't know about issues like that back than |
| 10:04.56 | moshii | sniff: either run sid or run backports |
| 10:05.03 | sniff | i came from an MS view where no such things happen D: |
| 10:05.06 | Obligatory | moshii, still looking, where is that -- another package is 'ale' (haven't tried that either), gah, what was that thing called? |
| 10:05.29 | sniff | moshii: what? i dont want to have to install everything by hand if thats what you mean |
| 10:05.31 | Kevin` | sniff that's because microsoft manages all the core programs and libraries your messing with in these cases :) |
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| 10:05.53 | sniff | Kevin`: i know, thats why its so much fun |
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| 10:06.01 | sniff | you can't f00k a windows installation this bad |
| 10:06.05 | sniff | unless you try to |
| 10:06.20 | moshii | sniff: trust me, you can |
| 10:06.31 | pbn | hi what is the command to get "Versions of packages <mypackage> depends on:" ? |
| 10:06.34 | sniff | only if you're a low end user |
| 10:06.46 | sniff | like i was on linux when i screwed this server :p |
| 10:07.22 | jetscreamer | !info apt-rdepends |
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| 10:07.30 | moshii | If you have no common sense you have no common sense, doesn't matter what os you use. |
| 10:08.01 | dpkg | apt-rdepends: (Recursively lists package dependencies), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 10:08.04 | Kevin` | sniff if this is a production machine consider not installing anything outside the repos if possible, unless you want to manage security updates and such for it and any compatability problems |
| 10:08.11 | jetscreamer | dpkg you're slow |
| 10:08.11 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 10:08.15 | sniff | yes, but if you do, lack of knowledge would get you the same place |
| 10:08.39 | sniff | Kevin`: nah it's the dev box where i work at |
| 10:08.55 | sniff | jetscreamer is that for me? |
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| 10:09.21 | jetscreamer | why would it be for you |
| 10:09.45 | sniff | i dunno, sounds like it has something to do with my problem |
| 10:09.54 | jetscreamer | [04.09.45] <pbn> hi what is the command to get "Versions of packages <mypackage> depends on:" ? |
| 10:09.56 | Obligatory | moshii, ah relief! 'imagemagick' has a "montage" option. |
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| 10:10.10 | Obligatory | that one I used. |
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| 10:11.05 | pbn | jetscreamer: yes ? |
| 10:11.11 | pbn | jetscreamer: what is the command ? |
| 10:11.23 | pbn | ah yeah apt-rdepends |
| 10:11.30 | Obligatory | So has anybody set up hardware midi on any sound card? |
| 10:11.33 | jetscreamer | you may need to install it |
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| 10:12.03 | simonrvn | what's withthe fucking bots |
| 10:12.26 | simonrvn | (2 hours ago...) |
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| 10:12.42 | jetscreamer | missed that |
| 10:12.43 | Obligatory | simonrvn, how many bots are there? |
| 10:13.07 | simonrvn | 26 |
| 10:13.36 | Obligatory | 26? I'm confused. |
| 10:13.55 | enouf | rot13 |
| 10:13.57 | enouf | x2 |
| 10:14.01 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.57 | simonrvn | and 25 other ones like that with different "nicks" |
| 10:15.49 | Obligatory | Sorry, still don't get it. Is there a list somewhere, or do you do some lookup thingee? |
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| 10:17.05 | simonrvn | got that in my status window... must be some other chan... |
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| 10:18.14 | gynterk | damn retarded MS |
| 10:18.18 | gynterk | no label:hover in ie6 |
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| 10:18.53 | Obligatory | Some other channel, ah well. And no hardware midi veterans. 'timidity' is pretty cool though. |
| 10:18.55 | Bambi_BOFH | simonrvn: you in vim? |
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| 10:19.14 | simonrvn | Bambi_BOFH: eh? |
| 10:19.22 | Bambi_BOFH | simonrvn: you in #vim? |
| 10:19.32 | simonrvn | #vim or currently editing in it? :) |
| 10:19.34 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:19.53 | Bambi_BOFH | forgot my # sorry |
| 10:19.56 | Bambi_BOFH | er, brb. |
| 10:20.42 | Erik1_ | what can I do about this errormessage in evolution: 'cannot create folder lock on ..../.evolution/mail/loacl/Sent' ? |
| 10:20.53 | pbn | hm yes but... |
| 10:21.01 | simonrvn | quit it, rm the lock file |
| 10:21.08 | pbn | how can I get the dpkg output that reportbug generates ? |
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| 10:21.53 | gynterk | whats gnome default web browser? |
| 10:22.00 | gynterk | epiphany-browser? |
| 10:22.06 | gynterk | or something like that ? |
| 10:22.07 | Erik1_ | gyn: yes |
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| 10:22.45 | gynterk | it so sad |
| 10:22.59 | gynterk | made webpage what looks exactly same in 6 browsers |
| 10:23.04 | gynterk | except ie6 |
| 10:23.09 | gynterk | ms wins |
| 10:23.20 | sniff | they all use gecko? |
| 10:23.28 | gynterk | yes :P |
| 10:23.30 | sniff | heh |
| 10:23.32 | gynterk | except lynx :D |
| 10:23.40 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:23.46 | sniff | and it looks the same in lynx D:? |
| 10:23.55 | gynterk | w/o images |
| 10:23.57 | simonrvn | some use webkit/khtml, some use gecko, some use their own |
| 10:23.57 | mosno | gynterk: IE6 will be gone soon. Maybe. |
| 10:24.03 | fireba11 | sniff : its probably an empty page .-D |
| 10:24.07 | gynterk | konqueror uses khtml |
| 10:24.09 | gynterk | afaik |
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| 10:24.29 | simonrvn | gynterk: yes |
| 10:24.55 | gynterk | but any other alternative to make hover buttons in IE6 ? or only via JS ? |
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| 10:26.43 | simonrvn | css; don't expect IEanything to respect *any* sort of standards.... |
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| 10:27.36 | simonrvn | i don't bother writing for its peculiarities, too mnay frigging headaches, and not worth it for a PoS "browser" like that |
| 10:27.53 | sniff | i find it funny, if it wasn't for microsoft the web would still look like crap |
| 10:28.09 | simonrvn | i very much doubt that |
| 10:28.13 | sniff | besides w3c standards are a "recommendation" |
| 10:28.21 | ServerSide | If I run any graphic application, my gdm crashs (restart), games, glxgears etc- ... anyone? |
| 10:28.36 | sniff | yeah the web would still look like all those crappy sites signed with a "written wih ViM" logo or w/e |
| 10:29.09 | simonrvn | ServerSide: your opengl stuff is badly installed/the driver's crap/not installed? |
| 10:29.21 | sniff | lol |
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| 10:29.49 | sniff | so, lets go through this again since the backups are nearly done |
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| 10:30.00 | simonrvn | there are plenty of sites that are written old skool, and look nice |
| 10:30.01 | ServerSide | blah, driver installed.. mh Maybe there is a driver conflict |
| 10:30.03 | sniff | i screwed up a system with libc6 from testing on a stable box |
| 10:30.13 | simonrvn | ServerSide: driver conflict? |
| 10:30.17 | sniff | what sould i do? |
| 10:30.24 | simonrvn | This Isn't Windows |
| 10:30.32 | sniff | simonrvn: yeah, would you like your wife to look "nice" :S? |
| 10:30.40 | Obligatory | sniff, downgrade? |
| 10:30.43 | mark_s | hi all, where can I change the user who receives the mails sent to root by the system? |
| 10:30.44 | sniff | i'd want her to look damn good :> |
| 10:30.47 | simonrvn | sniff: cross your fingers and reinstall? |
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| 10:31.00 | sniff | Obligatory: yeah thats what i was planning, but i want pointers to avoid reinstallation |
| 10:31.09 | simonrvn | my wife decides, she isn't anyone's property |
| 10:31.10 | sniff | simonrvn cross my fingers for a reinstall? :S |
| 10:31.21 | ServerSide | because I installed nvidia driver long time ago, and I installed "new" nvidia driver about two weeks ago |
| 10:31.26 | simonrvn | sniff: sorry, combined 2 thoughts there... |
| 10:31.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | mark_s: /etc/aliases |
| 10:31.40 | sniff | simonrvn: yeah i got what you meant |
| 10:31.41 | simonrvn | ServerSide: how did you install it? |
| 10:31.52 | Obligatory | sniff, well there should be a complete log of what changed in /var/log/dpkg*, that may help. |
| 10:31.52 | ServerSide | With old driver, glxgears gave me 5000 fps, with the new one, 3000 |
| 10:31.59 | sniff | but what pointers are there if any to avoid reinstalling? i did manage to do this once in vmware |
| 10:32.02 | simonrvn | sniff: either downgrade the libc6 (not recommended) or reinstall |
| 10:32.09 | ServerSide | stopped window manager |
| 10:32.13 | ServerSide | and sh *.run |
| 10:32.18 | sniff | ALL other attempts failed including a live production server :P |
| 10:32.22 | simonrvn | *BZZT* |
| 10:32.31 | Obligatory | sniff, are you running from that system now? |
| 10:32.39 | simonrvn | !tell ServerSide -about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:33.04 | mark_s | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, can I put there also an adress like my@somewhere.com? |
| 10:33.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | mark_s: sure |
| 10:33.31 | sniff | Obligatory no but itsright next no |
| 10:33.47 | mark_s | Kamping_Kaiser: thank you |
| 10:33.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | mark_s: you can also mix them, so you can have root: mark_s mark_s@remote.host |
| 10:33.56 | ServerSide | simonrvn: i'm on testing, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is right? |
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| 10:34.13 | Obligatory | OKay, so you figure when you pooched the system, look in the log and see what changed. |
| 10:34.18 | sniff | Obligatory and i screwed it up like 6 months ago :p |
| 10:34.30 | sniff | i was just too lazy to ever fix it but now i have to :p |
| 10:34.39 | simonrvn | ServerSide: yes |
| 10:34.39 | Obligatory | sniff, SIX? Argh. Let me think... |
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| 10:35.07 | bk__ | when i have configured iptabled, do i have to do something so it sticks after a reboot? |
| 10:35.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | bk__: look at iptables-save |
| 10:35.30 | Obligatory | sniff, OK, 6 mos. -- but has a lot been changed (apt-get) since then? |
| 10:35.51 | Erik1_ | in my Evolution, the send/receive button is greyed-out. Why ? |
| 10:35.52 | sniff | yeah |
| 10:35.59 | sniff | i can't even find the previous month |
| 10:36.06 | sniff | well not anything critical thought |
| 10:36.08 | sniff | though |
| 10:36.10 | simonrvn | bk__: make a script with the commands in it, one per line, or use iptables-save and -restore |
| 10:36.18 | Xilent | how can i clean the apt-get memory |
| 10:36.21 | bk__ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 10:36.24 | Obligatory | sniff, odd, my 'log' dir goes back a year for 'dpkg'. |
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| 10:36.33 | bk__ | simonrvn: so the idea is to run iptables-save with some commands to it? |
| 10:36.40 | sniff | Obligatory: yeah i just mean it has a lot of stuff in it |
| 10:36.45 | Xilent | eg.: locales: requires: glibc-2.6-1 |
| 10:36.48 | ServerSide | simonrvn: wtf? debian:/home/leo# apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-$(uname -r) | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:36.48 | ServerSide | > |
| 10:36.51 | simonrvn | bk__: please note the "or" |
| 10:36.56 | Xilent | but i cant update glibc |
| 10:37.00 | sniff | like 500 lines today since i tried to uninstall a broken package |
| 10:37.10 | Obligatory | sniff, doesn't matter, that can be parsed. How far back does the oldest 'dpkg' log go? |
| 10:37.30 | bk__ | simonrvn: okey, but how can i make that script start every time to server starfs (im not good at bash scripts) |
| 10:37.39 | sniff | DAMN IT!! its today :( |
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| 10:37.52 | sniff | oh, its in logrotate.d :p |
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| 10:38.05 | Obligatory | sniff, Yeah, but there's '.gz' backups. How far back do they go? |
| 10:38.13 | simonrvn | bk__: update-rc.d or sysvconfig or rcconf - to include it in the system start up |
| 10:38.17 | sniff | october |
| 10:38.26 | sniff | how far back is october :p? |
| 10:38.43 | simonrvn | ServerSide: and that's supposed to mean what? |
| 10:38.47 | bk__ | simonrvn: if i use iptables-save, do i have to use -restore at every boot ? |
| 10:38.47 | Obligatory | October of what year? |
| 10:38.57 | sniff | 2007 |
| 10:39.00 | simonrvn | Xilent: what memory? |
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| 10:39.07 | simonrvn | bk__: yes |
| 10:39.28 | ServerSide | simonrvn: "`" this thing is bugging my console |
| 10:39.57 | simonrvn | bk__: go see the sarge iptables package at snapshot.debian.net, inside you'll see a script in the examples/ dir |
| 10:40.10 | ServerSide | how can I replace " sed 's,.*-,,g'` " by smtg without "`"? |
| 10:40.17 | Obligatory | sniff, make sure, run: ls --full-time /var/log/dpkg |
| 10:40.37 | sniff | yeah its 2007-10-24 21:35:26.000000000 +0200 /var/log/dpkg.log.4.gz |
| 10:40.43 | Xilent | i've tried to install locales but it requires a newer glibc. now if i try to install something it won't work: please use apt-get -f install ... |
| 10:40.57 | js_ | Xilent: have you done apt-get -f install ? |
| 10:40.59 | simonrvn | ServerSide: it's called a backtick in common jargon. just drop that one |
| 10:41.04 | Xilent | i can't |
| 10:41.08 | ServerSide | backtick, ok |
| 10:41.48 | bk__ | simonrvn: cant i just write a simple bsh script including the commands to set iptables and then start it autmoaticly using rcconf ? |
| 10:41.58 | ServerSide | error: unable to read nvidia-settings & nvidia-glx : no such file or directory |
| 10:42.04 | simonrvn | ServerSide: actually... sec, this should be your command line: |
| 10:42.37 | sniff | Obligatory: would you be here in 20minutes tops? im starving gotta grab lunch or something :p |
| 10:42.39 | simonrvn | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g') nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:42.46 | Obligatory | sniff, OK. Maybe the logs in 'dpkg' didn't come to stable or testing until 10/07. Anyway those logs may be better than nothing. |
| 10:42.54 | Obligatory | sniff, No, I'm scramming soon. |
| 10:43.05 | sniff | ok so lets assume i have that info |
| 10:43.08 | sniff | what would i do next? |
| 10:43.16 | ServerSide | unable to find nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
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| 10:43.32 | simonrvn | ok, you on etch? |
| 10:43.38 | ServerSide | eh |
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| 10:43.53 | ServerSide | nah, lenny. testing. |
| 10:43.54 | Obligatory | sniff, bang a Uie, go back, revert, that sort of thing. You know how to downgrade a single package? |
| 10:44.22 | sniff | Uie? in aptitude? |
| 10:44.32 | sniff | yeah, you mean pining? |
| 10:44.40 | Obligatory | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:44.48 | sniff | oh heh |
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| 10:44.54 | sniff | i though those were flags in aptitude |
| 10:44.59 | ServerSide | simonrvn: that's my sources.list : http://pastebin.ca/891099 |
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| 10:46.05 | simonrvn | meh, something came up here, IRL |
| 10:46.12 | Obligatory | sniff, with 'apt-get'... I'm not sure what it's called, I think the syntax goes when downgrading foo v2.2 'apt-get install foo\2.1' |
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| 10:46.34 | sniff | its apt-get install openssh=2.3.4.(version) |
| 10:46.37 | simonrvn | =version |
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| 10:46.55 | simonrvn | foo-pkg=version |
| 10:46.57 | sniff | yeah, but wouldn't it break if i don't tell it all the packages? |
| 10:47.07 | Maulkin | Possibly, yes. |
| 10:47.10 | Obligatory | sniff, that's it. So you make a list of the packages you have now. 'dglob' does that... |
| 10:47.12 | sniff | wouldn't it be better to use aptitude for that? |
| 10:47.23 | simonrvn | that's what -t an pinning are for, or better yet use aptitude... |
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| 10:47.50 | sniff | yeah i got a suggestion from aptitude that didn't remove all my systemw |
| 10:47.51 | Obligatory | sniff, I'm in doubt as to whether aptitude can do that for 6 months... |
| 10:47.56 | sniff | wanted to bet on it :p |
| 10:48.11 | sniff | Obligatory: i don't want the system back 6 months, i just want it in stable |
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| 10:48.32 | Obligatory | sniff, if it was last stable 6 mos ago, that's how it's gotta be. |
| 10:48.37 | sniff | it would just downgrade libc6 and then all it depends on / depends on it |
| 10:48.46 | sniff | Obligatory: how come? |
| 10:48.47 | Obligatory | sniff, Oh. |
| 10:49.05 | Obligatory | sniff, I misunderstood your goal, maybe. |
| 10:49.12 | sniff | oh, ok |
| 10:49.25 | sniff | so it should work right? all i want it to do is make a working OS :p |
| 10:49.48 | Obligatory | sniff, OK, so you get a list of everything libc6 depends on. |
| 10:49.58 | sniff | and depend on libc6 |
| 10:50.20 | Obligatory | Ya, that's what I meant, |
| 10:50.43 | sniff | yeah i hope it works :p |
| 10:50.56 | Obligatory | Hope what works? |
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| 10:51.04 | sniff | the downgrade thing |
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| 10:51.07 | bk__ | simonrvn: ive written a small script now. Could you please tell me how to get it loaded on startup |
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| 10:51.17 | sniff | i did it only once successfuly out of like 100 lol |
| 10:51.23 | Obligatory | sniff, baby steps. |
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| 10:51.35 | ServerSide | simonrvn: well, what should I do finaly? :/ |
| 10:51.58 | sniff | had to reinstall a live production box once drove to the farm and was up till 3 am D: |
| 10:52.15 | sniff | Obligatory: you mean be careful? |
| 10:52.41 | DustyBin | can a average 7200rpm hard drive read data as fast, or faster than a ethernet 100 mbps network connection ? |
| 10:52.54 | Obligatory | sniff, not careful, that's a given. Methodical. So you make a list of what depends on 'libc6'. With version numbers. |
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| 10:53.18 | Obligatory | DukGalNamu, faster. |
| 10:53.26 | Obligatory | DustyBin, faster. |
| 10:53.32 | DustyBin | how much faster? |
| 10:53.41 | DustyBin | 150mbps ? |
| 10:53.49 | DustyBin | on average |
| 10:53.55 | sniff | Obligatory aptitude does that automatically, doesnt it? |
| 10:54.08 | Obligatory | sniff, screw aptitude. |
| 10:54.14 | sniff | DustyBin: ide/sata/scsi? |
| 10:54.21 | DustyBin | sniff: sata |
| 10:54.25 | sniff | Obligatory use apt-get you say? |
| 10:54.39 | sniff | DustyBin: yeah, there are 300MB/s hds |
| 10:54.44 | Obligatory | sniff, not yet. |
| 10:55.01 | sniff | and an ethernet its like 8MB/s |
| 10:55.08 | sniff | Obligatory how do i get the list then? |
| 10:55.20 | Obligatory | DustyBin, to benchmark a hard drive: hdparm -t /dev/hda |
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| 10:55.37 | DustyBin | ok thanks |
| 10:55.52 | Obligatory | sniff, cobble it together with your fave scripting method? |
| 10:56.21 | DustyBin | 100 mbps ethernet = 8MB/s ? |
| 10:56.22 | Obligatory | sniff, the raw data comes from simulating a 'libc6' removal. |
| 10:56.47 | sniff | DAMN IT i was archiving for like a half hour and now it archives itself and it wont ever finish :( |
| 10:56.54 | sniff | Obligatory oh |
| 10:57.04 | Obligatory | DustyBin, throughput or user data? |
| 10:57.41 | DustyBin | Obligatory: just reading data on the hd over the network |
| 10:57.54 | sniff | Obligatory so i'd just apt-get install libc6=version all stuff libc6 depends on? |
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| 10:58.49 | rolio | h |
| 10:58.52 | rolio | hi |
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| 10:59.10 | Obligatory | sniff, noooo. you'd simulate it: apt-get --simulate ...etc. |
| 10:59.27 | sniff | DustyBin 100mbps = (100/8)MB/s |
| 10:59.29 | Obligatory | sniff, see 'man apt-get' |
| 10:59.33 | sniff | and if the simulation goes ok? |
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| 11:00.29 | Obligatory | sniff, it won't. But you get your data from that. Or maybe from: apt-get --simulate remove libc6 ? |
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| 11:00.55 | Obligatory | with which to make a table. |
| 11:01.33 | sniff | and then what? |
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| 11:02.31 | Obligatory | sniff, basically think of simplest possible cases. Suppose you were downgrading one package, what would need doing? Then by induction you go upwards from there. |
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| 11:02.44 | Obligatory | Heuristic. |
| 11:03.29 | sniff | and install it one by one? |
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| 11:04.11 | sniff | hmm i dontreally follow |
| 11:04.12 | Obligatory | sniff, that would probably be impossible. It's more like solving a large equation, or summing a series. |
| 11:04.26 | sniff | yeah, that i am aware of |
| 11:04.34 | sniff | but what would simulating this give me? |
| 11:04.36 | techouse | has anyone here ever compiled azureus from the source (from sourceforge) because I don't know what to begin with :D any help? |
| 11:04.41 | sniff | i would just know what would fail? |
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| 11:05.52 | Obligatory | sniff, your problem varies on the state of your system. Nobody know that, except maybe you. It's not a "try this" problem. It's a "solve this" problem. You think about until you know, then you act. |
| 11:06.48 | Obligatory | Sorry if that's too cryptic, but I gotta run! |
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| 11:07.32 | FordCortina | is there a security repository for debian testing? |
| 11:08.14 | ServerSide | simonrvn: I done it w/o probs, what now? |
| 11:08.41 | acemi | FordCortina: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 11:09.14 | techouse | how can i build a .deb from binaries? |
| 11:09.49 | FordCortina | acemi: thanks acemi, i was just wondering if security updates were included in the main repos, but it appears not |
| 11:11.41 | sniff | damn it didn't get t thank him |
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| 11:17.49 | jelly | JeboPonedjeljak: jebo. |
| 11:18.13 | techouse | JeboPonedjeljak: LOL nich FTW!ž |
| 11:18.16 | techouse | nick* |
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| 11:18.54 | mssham1 | my apt-get say: |
| 11:18.55 | mssham1 | E: The package pagico needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. how can i resolve this problem? |
| 11:19.54 | ServerSide | you modified sources |
| 11:20.03 | ServerSide | and package is broken |
| 11:20.21 | ServerSide | or the package was deleted on depots |
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| 11:21.11 | mssham1 | ServerSide: i download a deb package and dpkg it. but it depend to 4 packages. i install they with apt-get. then get this error. please help me to improve this problem |
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| 11:26.04 | techouse | acemi: are there any mirrors for deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main ? |
| 11:26.27 | techouse | i know that for etch there is 1 |
| 11:27.43 | acemi | techouse: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/security lenny/uptates main |
| 11:27.54 | techouse | thought so :D |
| 11:28.42 | acemi | techouse: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security lenny/uptates main |
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| 11:29.39 | internat85 | does the etch kernel have support for blueray readers? |
| 11:30.08 | techouse | w0w...debian + bluray :D |
| 11:30.18 | internat85 | yeah that would be nice.. hence me asking |
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| 11:30.31 | internat85 | since bluray drives have started coming down in price |
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| 11:31.26 | techouse | <techouse> how can i build a .deb from binaries? <-- can't anyone help me? i don't really want to compile azureus :D |
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| 11:34.59 | jelly | techouse: why do you want a deb anyway? Just unpack somewhere and run |
| 11:35.55 | techouse | jelly: i am making a live debian and hence need a .deb |
| 11:36.15 | jelly | !info azureus lenny |
| 11:36.46 | jelly | !test |
| 11:36.46 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:36.57 | techouse | even the azureus in sid is banned on all trackers cause it's too old |
| 11:37.26 | jelly | you probably mean "all warez trackers" |
| 11:37.34 | techouse | no |
| 11:37.37 | techouse | private trackers |
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| 11:37.48 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.3.4-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 7800 kB, Installed size: 8728 kB |
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| 11:37.52 | jelly | techouse: that's what I said, basically. |
| 11:38.20 | techouse | well...anyway....i need to make a deb |
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| 11:38.31 | techouse | so is there any way to make it from the bins? |
| 11:38.39 | techouse | or do i have to compile it |
| 11:38.44 | techouse | and checkinstall |
| 11:38.53 | jelly | techouse: checkinstall?? |
| 11:39.01 | jelly | !tell techouse about simple sid backport |
| 11:39.16 | techouse | sid backports exist?! |
| 11:39.20 | techouse | w00t! |
| 11:39.34 | jelly | reading is essential. |
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| 11:40.12 | jelly | techouse: you can use the backport technique to build from upstream tarball |
| 11:40.31 | karmatronic | !backports |
| 11:40.31 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 11:40.35 | techouse | hmm...never did that |
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| 11:40.46 | techouse | are there any guides? |
| 11:41.03 | jelly | + Debian's .diff and .dsc |
| 11:42.10 | Erik1 | I see HP linux printing and Imaging is installed. do I need that ? I use Cups and turboprint for printing... |
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| 11:43.03 | techouse | jelly: the diff and dsc from packages.debian.org? |
| 11:43.37 | techouse | == http://packages.debian.org/sid/azureus |
| 11:44.49 | karmatronic | join #linuxmao |
| 11:45.13 | jelly | techouse: yes. debian's source packages come as three files. A tarball with source, a .diff.gz with Debian's patches, and a .dsc |
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| 11:46.00 | techouse | downloading... |
| 11:46.02 | jelly | techouse: so get upstream source tarball (zip, whatever) and apt-get source from sid |
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| 11:46.40 | techouse | upstream = the src from sourceforge? |
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| 11:46.53 | techouse | got them all |
| 11:46.55 | techouse | now what? |
| 11:47.12 | Dunstkreis | printing through cups or with lp(r) i hear an annoying beep sound. i guess its after the page is send to the printer. does anybody has got an idea where i have to search for the solution? |
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| 11:47.40 | karmatronic | Dunstkreis: beep of the PC or the printer ? |
| 11:48.07 | Dunstkreis | PCs Speaker beeps, and also the speakers connected to the soundcard |
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| 11:48.10 | jelly | techouse: cd to the unpacked source, do uupdate -v 3.0.4.2 /path/to/Azureus-3.0.4.2.zip |
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| 11:48.44 | karmatronic | Dunstkreis: blacklist pcspkr |
| 11:48.45 | jelly | techouse: let uupdate try to figure out whether it can apply debian patches to the new source |
| 11:48.51 | techouse | unpacked source from debian and path to sourceforge's source? |
| 11:48.58 | jelly | techouse: right |
| 11:49.00 | bad|lappy | http://rafb.net/p/2WQluz83.html |
| 11:49.07 | Dunstkreis | karmatronic: blacklist? |
| 11:49.11 | Dunstkreis | whats that? |
| 11:49.14 | bad|lappy | i keep getting this when trying to install neostats on debian |
| 11:49.25 | bad|lappy | http://rafb.net/p/2WQluz83.html <- large |
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| 11:50.05 | jelly | techouse: if all that succeeds, you'll have the new patched source tree in ../azureus-new-version |
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| 11:50.30 | jelly | techouse: download them build-depends and try building it. |
| 11:50.36 | karmatronic | Dunstkreis: get sure that the module producing the beep sound on your PC doesnt get loaded at boot time |
| 11:51.03 | karmatronic | Dunstkreis: you simply have to add the blacklist pcspkr to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 11:51.10 | techouse | jelly: uupdate: cannot find debian/changelog. |
| 11:51.10 | techouse | Are you in the top directory of the source tree? |
| 11:51.11 | mutante | what do i need to install on etch to get "htpasswd2" insteaf of just "htpasswd"? i cant find it in apt cache, but i do have apache2 running |
| 11:51.27 | techouse | do i have to move the diff inside? |
| 11:51.43 | karmatronic | Dunstkreis: for the moment , simply modprobe -r pcspkr to see it it solves your pb |
| 11:51.47 | bad|lappy | is there away to install every perl lib at once? |
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| 11:52.02 | jelly | techouse: you didn't "cd to the unpacked source" |
| 11:52.09 | techouse | i did |
| 11:52.19 | Dunstkreis | karmatronic: okay, ill try |
| 11:52.19 | techouse | azureus-3.0.3.4.orig |
| 11:52.33 | techouse | memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/azureus-3.0.3.4.orig$ uupdate -v 3.0.4.2 ~/Desktop/Azureus_3.0.4.2_source |
| 11:52.59 | jelly | techouse: oh. does debian/ exist at all? |
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| 11:53.29 | jelly | techouse: looks like the debian diff wasn't applied, else debian/changelog would exist |
| 11:53.33 | Dunstkreis | karmatronic: Nope, it still beeps. |
| 11:53.57 | jelly | techouse: manually: zcat ../azureus*diff.gz | patch -p1 |
| 11:54.39 | sniff | zcat is like gzip -d + cat? |
| 11:54.52 | techouse | jelly: memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/azureus-3.0.3.4.orig$ ls |
| 11:54.52 | techouse | Azureus.png Azureus.torrent.png com edu GPL.txt org README.txt TOS.txt |
| 11:54.53 | Dunstkreis | karmatronic: i think the PC Speaker is connected to the soundcard in any way. the music comes out of the speaker too, but it could be muted with alsamixer and the mono channel to 0 |
| 11:55.08 | jelly | sniff: yes. a shorter an less portable way to do gzip -dc |
| 11:55.22 | Dunstkreis | karmatronic: the beep after a page send to printer comes out of the speakers connected to the soundcard too!! |
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| 11:57.10 | techouse | jelly: it's working! |
| 11:57.25 | techouse | lol |
| 11:57.31 | techouse | so simple :D |
| 11:57.45 | techouse | and i already downloaded eclipse :D |
| 11:57.47 | jelly | techouse: no worries... it fails here at compile time with java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space :-) |
| 11:57.49 | sniff | it there a way to tell tar to not include itself? |
| 11:58.02 | sniff | cause i've only one partition and i can't tar to another one |
| 11:58.42 | SlimG | sniff: --exclude |
| 11:58.50 | jelly | sniff: It's in the manual, too! |
| 11:58.55 | sniff | no way to tell it to exclude itself? |
| 11:59.00 | sniff | i know about exclude ffs:s |
| 11:59.16 | techouse | jelly: memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/azureus-3.0.4.2.orig$ ls -a |
| 11:59.16 | techouse | . .. az-build.xml build.xml ChangeLog.txt com edu GPL.txt org |
| 11:59.26 | techouse | emm....no make file?! |
| 11:59.53 | jelly | techouse: and no debian/ directory either; patch it again |
| 12:00.02 | Free-Thinker | techouse: sry for interrupting, u having problem installing eclipse besides azureus? |
| 12:00.08 | jelly | techouse: (well, not again since it's not the same tree) |
| 12:00.16 | techouse | no...eclipse installed perfectly |
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| 12:01.41 | techouse | jelly: according to this http://pastebin.com/m4a118af9 it should be perfect |
| 12:03.24 | techouse | seems i will have to eclipse it....but i never used it :P |
| 12:03.41 | jelly | techouse: and did "../azureus-3.0.4.2" exist? You're in azureus-3.0.4.2.orig |
| 12:04.38 | techouse | lol |
| 12:04.44 | techouse | i missed it :D |
| 12:04.55 | techouse | it was in the upper right corner of my desktop |
| 12:04.56 | techouse | haha |
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| 12:06.21 | techouse | jelly: memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/azureus-3.0.4.2$ ls |
| 12:06.21 | techouse | az-build.xml ChangeLog.txt debian GPL.txt manifest.mf |
| 12:06.21 | techouse | build.xml com edu Makefile org |
| 12:06.31 | jelly | techouse: that's better. |
| 12:06.44 | rati | Hey I have downloaded mp3 files and than when I play it in pc than its working fine but when I copyit to mobile and than try to play file than it shows me error |
| 12:06.49 | compDo | Hi, on my Etch system I get the error message "Package graphics Error: No driver specified." when trying to compile a document with latex. Any ideas what package should be installed? |
| 12:06.54 | jelly | techouse: you can naively try "make -f debian/rules build" now :-) |
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| 12:07.31 | techouse | i'll just use checkinstall without sudo (as i usually do) |
| 12:07.42 | techouse | = makes a package and doesn't install it |
| 12:09.07 | \amethyst | rati: maybe the phone only supports certain bitrates? |
| 12:10.53 | techouse | error when making: http://pastebin.com/m25439e5a |
| 12:10.55 | techouse | :P |
| 12:12.01 | techouse | help? |
| 12:12.25 | rati | \amethyst: How to check an mp3 files bitrate? |
| 12:12.42 | \amethyst | rati: I was just wondering that myself |
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| 12:13.46 | Free-Thinker | \amethyst: any music player? |
| 12:13.52 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 12:13.52 | wols_ | techouse: javac -version |
| 12:14.05 | \amethyst | I was trying to find a way to do it from the command line without playing it |
| 12:15.03 | techouse | memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/azureus-3.0.4.2$ javac -version |
| 12:15.03 | techouse | Eclipse Java Compiler v_774_R33x, 3.3.1, Copyright IBM Corp 2000, 2007. All rights reserved. |
| 12:15.53 | \amethyst | rati: something like mp3info -p '%f %r\n' mp3/Elvis_Costello/Pidgin_English.mp3 |
| 12:16.05 | wols_ | techouse: dpkg -l |grep java |
| 12:16.06 | \amethyst | rati: that will print the filename and the bitrate in kbpd |
| 12:16.08 | \amethyst | kbps |
| 12:16.17 | rati | ok |
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| 12:16.30 | wols_ | techouse: the JDK packages especially |
| 12:16.48 | jelly | techouse: yeah, it fails to build with sun-java6 and/or gcj here, too |
| 12:16.58 | \amethyst | techouse: do you have the swt libraries? |
| 12:17.36 | wols_ | \amethyst: he has eclipse |
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| 12:18.53 | jelly | techouse: fwiw, my /etc/alternatives/swt.jar was broken |
| 12:18.53 | techouse | wols: http://pastebin.com/m7f4dd3bb |
| 12:18.53 | \amethyst | that doesn't mean libswt-gtk-<version>-java is somewhere Java knows to look for it |
| 12:18.53 | \amethyst | hm |
| 12:18.53 | \amethyst | it seems to be installed |
| 12:19.28 | jelly | \amethyst: makefile makes it look in /usr/share/java/swt.jar ... that's a alternatives-handled symlink. It's broken on my testing/unstable system, could be the same on his side |
| 12:19.38 | \amethyst | techouse: hmm... the version in etch build-depends on libswt-gtk-3.3-java, but you have libswt-gtk-3.2-java... sould that be it? |
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| 12:20.06 | techouse | hmm |
| 12:20.11 | techouse | don't know |
| 12:20.12 | \amethyst | jelly: you're right, it's broken here too |
| 12:20.42 | techouse | what then? |
| 12:21.14 | jelly | techouse: rm /etc/alternatives/swt.jar; update-alternatives --auto swt.jar |
| 12:21.29 | jelly | yay, a RC bug! :-) |
| 12:21.57 | karmatronic | rati: sox can give you some info too |
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| 12:22.11 | jelly | OTOH, who in their right mind builds java apps themselves |
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| 12:22.14 | techouse | jelly? remove that? you sure? |
| 12:22.30 | rati | karmatronic: ok |
| 12:22.37 | jelly | techouse: that's what I did to make the system regenerate the correct symlink, yes. |
| 12:22.42 | techouse | k |
| 12:22.54 | jelly | techouse: it's chugging along now. |
| 12:23.33 | techouse | memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/azureus-3.0.4.2$ ls /etc/alternatives/swt.jar |
| 12:23.33 | techouse | ls: /etc/alternatives/swt.jar: No such file or directory |
| 12:23.45 | techouse | it wasn't even there in the first place |
| 12:24.12 | techouse | memi@Mk2:~/Desktop/azureus-3.0.4.2$ sudo update-alternatives --auto swt.jar |
| 12:24.12 | techouse | No alternatives for swt.jar. |
| 12:24.15 | jelly | techouse: 1st, you need to be root. 2nd, run only the update-alternatives bit, then |
| 12:24.24 | jelly | hm. |
| 12:24.25 | techouse | root |
| 12:24.29 | techouse | hmm |
| 12:24.30 | techouse | ok |
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| 12:24.42 | jelly | techouse: ls -ld /usr/share/java/*swt* |
| 12:24.59 | techouse | Mk2:/home/memi/Desktop/azureus-3.0.4.2# ls -ld /usr/share/java/*swt* |
| 12:24.59 | techouse | ls: /usr/share/java/*swt*: No such file or directory |
| 12:25.34 | techouse | i am missing a package or what? |
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| 12:26.04 | jelly | techouse: could be the etch package has it stored somewhere else |
| 12:26.07 | expose | Which linux application can add side notes to PDF files? |
| 12:26.17 | techouse | jelly: i use lenny/sid |
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| 12:26.52 | jelly | techouse: weird. can you install libswt-gtk-3.3-java |
| 12:27.18 | jelly | it built here \o/ |
| 12:27.28 | \amethyst | jelly: I just checked, libswt-gtk-3.3-java does provide swt.jar |
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| 12:29.54 | jelly | \amethyst: yeah. but it seems not to update the link on install, something weird going on. |
| 12:30.25 | techouse | jelly: installing |
| 12:30.58 | techouse | installed |
| 12:31.00 | techouse | building |
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| 12:32.01 | rati | \amethyst: Hey bit rate is 128 so Thats perfect I think |
| 12:32.02 | jelly | techouse: if you trust unknown people on irc, http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/azureus_3.0.4.2-1_all.deb |
| 12:32.17 | \amethyst | rati: yeah, that's pretty standard |
| 12:32.29 | techouse | jelly: i am already building it myself :D thanx anyway |
| 12:32.48 | techouse | jelly: si hrvat? :D |
| 12:32.49 | techouse | lol |
| 12:32.58 | jelly | techouse: what? da. |
| 12:33.08 | techouse | <-- slovenc :D |
| 12:33.22 | techouse | sosed :D |
| 12:34.07 | rati | \amethyst: so Is that while copying it got currepted? I have copied songs to card using cardreader |
| 12:34.42 | rati | I have just copy all songs and paste it to opened drive with card reader |
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| 12:39.39 | techouse | damn....error again :P |
| 12:40.13 | techouse | http://pastebin.com/m4835b910 |
| 12:40.20 | techouse | i am missing something again |
| 12:40.22 | techouse | :P |
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| 12:40.27 | axewell | blame it on the boogie |
| 12:40.42 | \amethyst | rati: you could try using mp3check or something like that to verify the files (or even md5sum to compare against the on-disk versions) |
| 12:41.42 | techouse | what am i missing now? |
| 12:41.53 | jelly | techouse: looks like something that ought to be at /usr/share/java/commons-cli.jar |
| 12:42.12 | jelly | !find /commons-cli.jar lenny |
| 12:42.31 | jelly | techouse: did you install the build-depends? |
| 12:42.39 | techouse | crap....forgot :D |
| 12:42.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/commons-cli.jar' (3): (/usr/share/maven2/lib/commons-cli.jar) in devel/maven2 ;; (/usr/share/java/commons-cli.jar) in libs/libcommons-cli-java ;; (/usr/share/groovy/lib/commons-cli.jar) in contrib/devel/groovy. |
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| 12:43.20 | techouse | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 12:43.21 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.22 | jelly | can't build an omelette without installing a few eggs |
| 12:44.28 | techouse | lol |
| 12:44.47 | techouse | jelly: what part of .hr are you from? |
| 12:45.12 | onur | Hi. I have a network problem. I have 2 machine, first machine running on Debian testing, second machine running on Debian `etch` stable. I am connecting internet via my isp's network cable. First machine have 1 network adapter, and second machine have 2 network adapter. First machine gaining ip from DHCP and suscessfully connecting to internet, but second machine (Debian `etch` stable) doesn't gain ip from dhcp: http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7146/debianl |
| 12:45.12 | onur | q3.jpg . I tried 2 adapter. I dont find the problem. Do you have any idea? |
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| 12:46.33 | expose | How to find all applications i wanted to be installed? so, i want no dependencies, only what i once typed after "aptitude install" |
| 12:46.46 | expose | only those which are still installed of course |
| 12:48.08 | hark | expose: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 12:48.19 | expose | thanks |
| 12:48.23 | themill | !aptitude clone |
| 12:48.23 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
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| 12:49.38 | expose | !help |
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| 12:50.34 | expose | where can i get a list of all the "!aptitude clone"-like hints? i dont understand the bots reply |
| 12:51.19 | themill | !wayttd expose |
| 12:51.19 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, expose? |
| 12:52.00 | expose | themill: your reply was helpfull, and exhaustive. but i also want to know, how - for future problems - i could query the bot myself. |
| 12:52.12 | snewp | is there an iso for sid? |
| 12:52.26 | jelly | snewp: no, there cannot be |
| 12:52.28 | themill | !install sid |
| 12:52.29 | dpkg | [install sid] install testing then upgrade to sid, or if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 12:52.32 | themill | snewp: ^^ |
| 12:52.34 | hark | expose: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 12:52.48 | \amethyst | expose: you can do for example /msg dpkg listkeys aptitude to list factoids whose names ("keys") contain "aptitude" |
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| 12:53.09 | hark | expose: or install the aptitude-doc package |
| 12:53.13 | \amethyst | expose: or listvalues aptitude to list factoids whose text contains "aptitude" |
| 12:53.14 | themill | expose: ok -- you can /msg dpkg search |
| 12:53.19 | snewp | ok thanks.. so install testing then have my source.list with teh unstable ? |
| 12:53.46 | expose | \amethyst: thanks - i tried "listkeys .*" because it said it would understand regex, but this didnt work for some reason |
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| 12:53.54 | hark | oh, query the bot... |
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| 12:54.48 | hark | !search dpkg |
| 12:54.48 | techouse | lol...amarok's mp3 jumps lag when compiling this java :D |
| 12:54.48 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 12:54.50 | techouse | rofl |
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| 12:55.11 | tapas | hmm, i booted a self built 2.4.x kernel on my debian system |
| 12:55.16 | expose | hehe |
| 12:55.19 | tapas | and it complained about udev not being available.. |
| 12:55.20 | \amethyst | expose: there are a number of places where dpkg claims to support regexps, but really only supports substrings |
| 12:55.22 | tapas | naturally |
| 12:55.42 | expose | i see, thanks |
| 12:55.56 | expose | hark: oh - the webif is nice. bookmarked :-) |
| 12:56.38 | themill | tapas: etch? |
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| 12:57.39 | tapas | stable |
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| 12:59.03 | expose | Why does ~i!~M find packages which i - for sure - never gave for installation manually? (it finds 235 packages, many of which are libraries i never heard of) |
| 12:59.17 | Coke | Hi! I'm on the i386 arch Debian testing, but I installed linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 and booted it, does this mean the entire Debian arch was changed or that the kernel is optimized for amd64, yet running 32-bit mode? |
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| 12:59.52 | Coke | Problem is NVIDIA installer says I'm now on a 64-bit system (which I'm guessing I'm not since I'm still running everything else in 32-bit), any ideas how I can work around this problem? |
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| 13:00.28 | jelly | Coke: the kernel is now a 64bit one, and 3rd party modules don't really like that. |
| 13:00.47 | jelly | Coke: use the -686 flavor |
| 13:01.07 | jelly | Coke: or ask nvidia to sort their crap out |
| 13:01.34 | \amethyst | Coke: I don't know about nvidia, but ATI's drivers don't work properly with a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userspace (the setup you are now using) |
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| 13:01.58 | Coke | jelly: hm, ok, reverting to -686. |
| 13:01.59 | \amethyst | Coke: as jelly suggests, go to the -686 kernel (or -686-bigmem if you have over about 3GB of RAM) |
| 13:02.00 | Coke | Thanks. |
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| 13:02.06 | expose | Coke: or build your own kernel and nvidia module. and send in a Renouveau dump :-) |
| 13:02.16 | zagibu | is there a specific channel for debian-arm? |
| 13:02.42 | expose | Coke: not sure wether this would work, tough. i never used anything but intel drivers in mixed environments. |
| 13:02.56 | Coke | Naw, I "only" have 2GB RAM. :) |
| 13:03.19 | Coke | Testing -686. Byesies! (reboot) |
| 13:04.12 | expose | Are applications installed by the debian installer cd listed as installed "manually"? Yes, right? |
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| 13:05.39 | kirillov | hi..ned help on gdm trouble |
| 13:06.06 | kirillov | i made a big upgrade 2 days ago, lenny |
| 13:06.27 | kirillov | and now gdm does not go in graphic login |
| 13:06.34 | badcfe | ah i never remember. what arch of debian installer cd should i used for an intel EM64T smp system |
| 13:06.37 | kirillov | the daemon starts |
| 13:06.48 | jelly | zagibu: there's #debian-arm on irc.debian.org |
| 13:06.50 | badcfe | is amd64 good for me? |
| 13:06.52 | kirillov | but gdm graphic login not |
| 13:06.56 | petemc | badcfe: amd64 ot i386 |
| 13:07.01 | zagibu | thanks, jelly |
| 13:07.04 | petemc | s/ot/or/ |
| 13:07.05 | DGnome | badcfe: amd64 |
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| 13:07.13 | badcfe | s/ot/or/ petemc |
| 13:07.18 | badcfe | DGnome: thanks to both of ya |
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| 13:16.41 | sChaa | hola |
| 13:16.54 | zamuro | !es |
| 13:16.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:19.23 | techouse | w00t?! x just crashed |
| 13:19.29 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
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| 13:19.51 | techouse | mornin |
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| 13:22.27 | suwro | hello - I just made an upgrade to php and now i got : Warning: ftp_rawlist() [function.ftp-rawlist]: socket() failed: Too many open files (24) << can somebody help?? |
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| 13:26.33 | jdt | hi, has anyone had any luck compiling madwifi on the 2.6.24 kernel? (debian unstable)? |
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| 13:28.24 | et | is there a canonical way how to use an external monitor on a laptop? (just switching, not using both monitors at once etc) |
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| 13:28.47 | tomasso | how do i search for a string contained in a file from a directory recursively? |
| 13:28.57 | et | grep -r string directory |
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| 13:29.09 | tomasso | thanks et |
| 13:30.34 | jelly | et: usually brand or even model specific Fn+key combo |
| 13:30.59 | techouse | jelly: now how do i make the package? i tried make -f debian/rules build and i only get an Azureus.jar |
| 13:31.00 | techouse | :P |
| 13:31.24 | jelly | techouse: fakeroot make -f debian/rules binary |
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| 13:32.00 | jelly | (or use dpkg-buildpackage, that's more correct but less fun) |
| 13:32.05 | nikitosh | hi all! |
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| 13:33.06 | rati | \amethyst: Thanks I have problem in card reader |
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| 13:33.30 | jelly | techouse: there are a few files missing in the new tarball. You'll have to remove references to those in debian/{install,docs} |
| 13:33.52 | rati | Hey I want list of files which is recently modified or created or changed on the whole system. |
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| 13:34.42 | techouse | lol...if i build azureus 2x in the same dir it crashes my X |
| 13:34.43 | techouse | :D |
| 13:35.53 | onur | Hi. I have a network problem. I have 2 machine, first machine running on Debian testing, second machine running on Debian `etch` stable. I am connecting internet via my isp's network cable. First machine have 1 network adapter, and second machine have 2 network adapter. First machine gaining ip from DHCP and suscessfully connecting to internet, but second machine (Debian `etch` stable) doesn't gain ip from dhcp: |
| 13:35.54 | onur | http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7146/debianlq3.jpg . I tried 2 adapter. I dont find the problem. And all interfaces: allow-hotplug eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp\nauto eth0 Do you have any idea? |
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| 13:40.35 | techouse | deja vu? |
| 13:40.38 | techouse | :D |
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| 13:42.38 | kombi | can't get samba to join workgroup on lenny, all etch, woody etc. boxes are fine with the exact same smb.config. Have I missed a thing? |
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| 13:44.06 | kombi | was there a significant change from samba 3.0.24 to 3.0.28? |
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| 13:45.23 | nollidj | rati: read man find; you want a variant on find / -mtime <number of days> |
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| 13:46.06 | |zeal| | hi, guys |
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| 13:46.20 | |zeal| | morning ! |
| 13:46.24 | rati | nollidj: Thanks a lot |
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| 13:47.20 | mikmu | quick logrotate/run-parts question regarding logrotate.d. Does run-parts necessarily run logrotate scripts from /etc/logrotate.d in alphabetical order, or in some other order? |
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| 13:54.31 | kryl | hi |
| 13:54.52 | themill | mikmu: it uses alphabetical order. man 8 logrotate and see the "include" directive. |
| 13:55.37 | mikmu | ah, thanks |
| 13:55.46 | kryl | I use 82572EI Gigabit Ethernet with e1000 driver and I receive the following message : ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready < cable are connected. |
| 13:56.17 | mikmu | Anyone know if, on a prerotate script running on a wildcard, if it's possible to figure out which logfile logrotate is currently acting on? |
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| 13:56.33 | mikmu | Can't find anything in the docs, but I'm likely missing somehting |
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| 13:59.19 | justin | kryl: connected to what? |
| 13:59.22 | tapas | is there a way to install a debian package and have it known to the packaging system as something else? |
| 13:59.41 | tapas | e.g. my custom glibc 2.4 package which i want to smuggle into a glibc 2.3 based system |
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| 14:00.05 | tapas | and since i'm too lazy and unknowledgable to do it the right way [tm] i'm looking for a dirty hack |
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| 14:01.50 | chops | tapas: What problem are you running into just installing 2.4? I'd expect any dependency that won't accept a _newer_ version of libc6 as almost certainly something that really will cause problems if you ignore it. |
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| 14:02.17 | nullvoid | what does it means by: configure.in:20: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_al |
| 14:02.46 | tapas | chops: there is no glibc 2.4. package available for debian |
| 14:03.31 | chops | tapas: s/just installing 2.4/just installing your custom glibc 2.4 package without any foolishness/ |
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| 14:04.21 | tapas | chops: oh it breaks all sorts of dependencies |
| 14:04.26 | chops | tapas: Which ones? |
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| 14:04.32 | chops | tapas: Feel free to use pastebin |
| 14:04.32 | tapas | chops: all of them ;) |
| 14:04.54 | tapas | chops: well, i used an ubuntu glibc 2.4. package as basis |
| 14:05.13 | tapas | which i hacked freely in the debian/ directory to build with linuuxthreads and minimum kernel version of 2.4.0 |
| 14:05.16 | tapas | ;) |
| 14:05.18 | chops | tapas: If you made your package correctly, I don't believe it should do that. Debian libc6 eek sorry, please talk to #ubuntu or just don't do that. |
| 14:06.29 | chops | tapas: Debian libc6 packages are freely upgradable without causing problems (which is how so many people wind up with "stable" systems with a handful of sid packages, including libc6 and the single package they _meant_ to install from sid); if you're having problems upgrading libc6 to 2.4, the solution is to fix your package, not to add further hacks |
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| 14:08.08 | chops | tapas: Also, we're up to 2.7 on sid. You may want to look through snapshot.debian.net to find 2.4. |
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| 14:08.17 | tapas | chops: hmmm, ok.. |
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| 14:08.28 | tapas | chops: yeah, 2.7 doesn't support 2.4.x kernels anymore |
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| 14:08.32 | chops | tapas: Out of curiosity, why are you trying to do this? |
| 14:08.44 | tapas | chops: ;) |
| 14:08.54 | tapas | chops: ah, we have a legacy 2.4.x kernel module |
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| 14:09.00 | chops | tapas: :-( |
| 14:09.05 | tapas | and we have some custom built software |
| 14:09.15 | tapas | and we want the custom built software [on ubuntu systems] |
| 14:09.22 | tapas | to run on our 2.4.x based debian system |
| 14:09.28 | tapas | for this we need a glibc >= 2.4 |
| 14:09.40 | tapas | it all seems to work fine except for the package management confusion |
| 14:09.47 | tapas | so basically i only need a quick hack |
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| 14:10.14 | expose | Where is the target release configured? etc apt preferences would allow for more than one target release |
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| 14:10.39 | tapas | to have my crazy hack libc package in the system without apt-get running wild over me ;) |
| 14:10.52 | abrotman | expose: that's where |
| 14:11.00 | abrotman | expose: you have to set preferences |
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| 14:12.15 | expose | okay. so if i misconfigure it to have stable testing unstable and experimental as target release, i will get a huge mess :-) |
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| 14:13.01 | abrotman | expose: yes .. more like a non-functional mess :) |
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| 14:13.28 | et | jelly: i meant the neccessary configuration for it :) |
| 14:14.03 | expose | yesyes. okay. i just thought there might be another place where you write "stable" as your one target release ro so |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 14:14.14 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 14:14.32 | abrotman | expose: in general .. mixing versions of debian leads to mass borkage |
| 14:15.15 | expose | Jaaa, but pdf side notes --> okular --> kde4 --> pinning |
| 14:15.32 | expose | (No, i wont complain if i fsck it up ;-) |
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| 14:15.54 | chops | tapas: Yeah, check snapshots. You should also, once the current mess is straightened out, start trying to figure out how to upgrade to 2.6 going forward... you're not going to be able to hold back the tide forever :-/ |
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| 14:16.41 | tapas | chops: ye |
| 14:16.46 | tapas | we are in the process of porting the kernel module |
| 14:16.51 | tapas | it'll only be a month or two |
| 14:17.06 | tapas | chops: ok, i found a libc 2.5 there.. it misses linuxthreads support though it seems |
| 14:17.15 | chops | tapas: ? |
| 14:17.27 | chops | tapas: Why do you think it misses linuxthreads support? |
| 14:17.29 | tapas | chops: [in snapshot.debian.net] |
| 14:17.34 | karmatronic | do you people know a good doc on how to write a kernel module? |
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| 14:17.45 | chops | tapas: Oh, linuxthreads being the 2.4 threading interface which was replaced in 2.6? |
| 14:17.53 | chops | tapas: (Sorry, I'm not quite hip to these things) |
| 14:17.57 | tapas | chops: because it only mentions NPTL when running /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 14:18.01 | chops | tapas: nod |
| 14:18.01 | tapas | chops: yep |
| 14:18.14 | chops | tapas: There should be a pretty easy way to reenable it locally |
| 14:18.26 | tapas | chops: just hacking around in the package a bit |
| 14:18.28 | chops | tapas: If you search for the bug about it I'm sure you'll find people howling in rage about the removal |
| 14:18.29 | tapas | i guess |
| 14:18.39 | tapas | :) |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | karmatronic: i thought there used to be a howto out there |
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| 14:19.06 | tapas | ah right there's one more minor version |
| 14:19.09 | tapas | chops: will try that.. overlooked it |
| 14:19.12 | chops | tapas: Much better to start with a 2.5 Debian libc6 and add linuxthreads, than a 2.5 libc6 from somewhere else that happens to have linuxthreads and fix every _other_ thing that's incompatible between it and Debian |
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| 14:20.10 | abrotman | karmatronic: possibly horribly out of date http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Module-HOWTO/ |
| 14:20.22 | tapas | chops: so if i download this glibc package and install it via dpkg -i package management will not break? |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | karmatronic: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+kernel+module+howto&btnG=Search |
| 14:20.50 | tapas | yeah, seems to almost work :) |
| 14:20.52 | tapas | except for locales |
| 14:20.53 | chops | tapas: You are 100%, entirely, wholly, unreservedly on your own as far as guaranteeing that things won't break. |
| 14:21.00 | tapas | chops: :) |
| 14:21.08 | chops | tapas: You'll need to install a matching version of locales from the same snapshot repo |
| 14:21.11 | karmatronic | abrotman: thanx |
| 14:21.17 | tapas | ok |
| 14:21.28 | abrotman | karmatronic: what? |
| 14:21.55 | Coke | Is there a default alsarc available somewhere in Debian? No matter what personal .asoundrc I try I get "unknown PCM device" on the alsa_open. |
| 14:22.09 | chops | tapas: What you're currently doing is at least the way that strange hacks like you're setting up are _supposed_ to be handled in Debian, though, which may give more reliability than you had before :-) |
| 14:22.19 | justin | Coke: you don't need a .asoundrc file |
| 14:22.22 | abrotman | Coke: isn't there one in the alsa docs directory? |
| 14:22.23 | karmatronic | abrotman: 3rd link from your web search is waht i was looking for, actually :) |
| 14:22.30 | abrotman | karmatronic: close enough :) |
| 14:23.06 | Coke | justin: when I have none the return message is "no alsa devices available" |
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| 14:23.24 | Coke | abrotman: yeah, but I want one that just works on my Debian system without change |
| 14:24.02 | justin | Coke: probably because your sound isn't working at all for some reason, adding a .asoundrc file isn't going to fix that |
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| 14:24.18 | jelly | tapas: a better way to do it would be to rebuild the %^& binaries on etch, with its libc6 2.3.6 (assuming they don't have a real dependency, but ar just compiled against a newer libc6) |
| 14:24.20 | justin | Coke: does cat /proc/asound/cards list anything? |
| 14:24.30 | Coke | justin: it's working fine |
| 14:24.43 | Coke | justin: sure. |
| 14:24.50 | justin | Coke: are you not in the audio group or something? |
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| 14:24.54 | Coke | justin: I can play music through XMMS using both "default" and "hw:0" |
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| 14:25.22 | Coke | justin: hm. maybe it's the oss emulation that isn't working? |
| 14:25.31 | chops | tapas: Yes, what jelly says is correct |
| 14:25.37 | justin | Coke: could be, do you have those modules loaded? |
| 14:25.41 | Coke | justin: yep |
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| 14:27.36 | Coke | justin: mplayer opens the alsa device properly too |
| 14:27.58 | justin | Coke: what about mplayer with -ao oss ? |
| 14:27.59 | tapas | jelly: oh well, my boss fears the extra work to login a different shell for rebuild ;) |
| 14:28.06 | tapas | so i got to do the chores ;) |
| 14:28.45 | chops | tapas: As opposed to the extra work to recompile and install a hacked version of libc6? |
| 14:28.48 | rati | !alsa checklist |
| 14:28.48 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 14:29.07 | Coke | justin: works fine too |
| 14:29.17 | tapas | chops: which is my work, not his ;) |
| 14:29.21 | tapas | chops: see the difference? |
| 14:29.23 | tapas | ;D |
| 14:29.42 | Coke | justin: what if I install and run, say, neverball (or try any q3-based game) it always report failure to open the alsa device |
| 14:30.01 | SixT6 | How can I get the alt+number function in irssi working in xterm? I forgot how to do that and the search terms |
| 14:30.05 | Coke | ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM output |
| 14:30.05 | Coke | Mix_OpenAudio: No available audio device |
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| 14:30.24 | steven43126 | Hi |
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| 14:31.10 | steven43126 | is it possible to configure vlan interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 14:32.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | steven43126: how is the vlan represented? by a nhetwork device? |
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| 14:33.02 | Coke | justin: I have reduced it to SDL mixer stuff |
| 14:33.03 | steven43126 | I'm using the vlan package so devices are created like vconfig add eth0 1 |
| 14:33.13 | steven43126 | the eth0.1 is created |
| 14:33.53 | SixT6 | False alarm, found out by myself |
| 14:34.01 | jelly | steven43126: yes... just use "eth0.1" as a normal device |
| 14:34.21 | steven43126 | thankyou |
| 14:34.42 | jelly | steven43126: ie. iface eth0.1 inet static ... etc |
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| 14:35.43 | justin | steven43126: man vlan-interfaces ? |
| 14:36.14 | jelly | steven43126: if you're using tg3 or bnx2 driver, those broadcom cards are quirky and you need to up the master device first and let it settle for a bit |
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| 14:37.14 | jelly | steven43126: in addition to ethX.Y setup, I also have iface ethX inet manual\n up ifconfig ethX up\npost-up sleep 6 |
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| 14:37.31 | bk__ | according to my /var/log/auth.log root does too many croon jobs |
| 14:37.36 | bk__ | "CRON[2705]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 14:37.42 | bk__ | How can i see what is happening |
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| 14:38.16 | SlayerXP | bk__: errm, what do you mean by "does too many cron jobs"? |
| 14:38.39 | bk__ | It goes off way too often.. And i have not scheluded any cron jobs |
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| 14:40.44 | karmatronic | bk__: check cronjobs with crontab -l as root and through /etc/cron.d directory .... |
| 14:41.37 | bk__ | karmatronic: how can i see all cron jobs? not only from root |
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| 14:42.03 | Noboru | how do get iconv support in debian ? |
| 14:42.28 | Coke | It seems SDL is unable to utilize my ALSA sound card, what magic is required to make SDL able to use ALSA? I have libsdl1.2debian-alsa installed. |
| 14:42.43 | moshii | Noboru: support in what way? |
| 14:42.51 | SlayerXP | bk__: cron will always run once a minute regardless of how many or how few cron jobs you've specified |
| 14:43.01 | SlayerXP | bk__: if you think about it, I'm sure you can work out why |
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| 14:43.21 | bk__ | SlayerXP: so that aoutput in auth.log is normal? I have a suspicion the box is hacked.. |
| 14:43.21 | Noboru | hi moshii ,a client needs iconv extension support for php |
| 14:43.41 | SlayerXP | bk__: I have the suspicion that you're not a very experienced linux user |
| 14:43.45 | Noboru | moshii, apt-get install libtext-iconv-perl ? |
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| 14:44.25 | moshii | Noboru: mmm that'd be for perl... does which iconv return anything? |
| 14:44.50 | steven43126 | jelly, thanks for the input the drivers i'm using to handle vlans fine |
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| 14:44.51 | Noboru | i dont get it |
| 14:45.01 | steven43126 | ^seem |
| 14:45.41 | moshii | Noboru: ok, reading the php manual.. iconv is built in, you shouldn't need anything else |
| 14:45.51 | moshii | Noboru: http://jp.php.net/iconv |
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| 14:46.18 | Noboru | let me check,so i think only need to comment it out in php.ini |
| 14:46.19 | bk__ | SlayerXP: you suspicion is wrong |
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| 14:47.29 | moshii | bk__: you make linux look like a weenie right? |
| 14:47.36 | themill | Noboru: read the package description of libapache2-mod-php5 for what is built in. apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:47.36 | bk__ | SlayerXP: it just gets a little more tricky when youve got over 20 servers to manage, ranign from win 2000 to freebsd |
| 14:47.44 | moshii | bk__: s/linux/linus/ |
| 14:48.18 | bk__ | moshii: heh |
| 14:48.37 | moshii | bk__: I have a feeling there are people in here that manage hundreds of servers,... |
| 14:48.47 | Noboru | themill, ok. |
| 14:49.03 | bk__ | moshii: it gets a little different when youve taken over from a old sysadmin and everything is a mess |
| 14:49.10 | bk__ | e.g. no backup of anything |
| 14:50.10 | moshii | bk__: maybe those cron bits are from some backup script? ;) |
| 14:50.27 | bk__ | moshii: hopefully |
| 14:50.40 | bk__ | the old backup policy seemed to have something with /dev/null to do ... |
| 14:51.02 | bk__ | and its always fun to come into ao new work and the old guy left pretty pissed |
| 14:51.13 | bk__ | but somebody gave him enough time alone to change all administrator and root passwords |
| 14:51.17 | themill | bk__: that's because copying the backup to /dev/null is faster than copying it to tapes. And it saves changing tapes. |
| 14:51.43 | bk__ | and saves storage space |
| 14:51.43 | moshii | bk__: that's the reason you have an it team opposed to one guy |
| 14:52.05 | bk__ | moshii: that one guy wasnt a team player |
| 14:52.22 | bk__ | the atualteam is still here.. doing some real work |
| 14:52.27 | bk__ | actual team |
| 14:52.29 | et | changing root passwords isn't much of a problem for desktop comps ;) |
| 14:52.33 | moshii | bk__: not enough synergy eh? |
| 14:52.43 | bk__ | meh |
| 14:52.53 | moshii | bk__: init=/bin/sh is handy btw |
| 14:52.59 | bk__ | isnt that much downtime hile recovering the password... but still annoying |
| 14:53.18 | bk__ | gottago |
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| 14:55.12 | abrotman | moshii: that only works for larger companies |
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| 14:58.49 | Noboru | i chekced, iconv is included |
| 14:59.12 | Noboru | do i have to remove the ; mark in php.ini under the iconv item ? |
| 14:59.47 | Noboru | iconv.input_encoding = ISO-8859-1 iconv.internal_encoding = ISO-8859-1 and iconv.output_encoding = ISO-8859-1 |
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| 15:02.00 | Cr3ature | where are the X logs? |
| 15:02.04 | Cr3ature | X isn't starting |
| 15:02.28 | \amethyst | Cr3ature: /var/log/Xorg.0.log* |
| 15:02.42 | Cr3ature | and how do i kill X |
| 15:02.44 | Cr3ature | completely |
| 15:02.57 | \amethyst | do you use a login manager? |
| 15:03.01 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 15:03.02 | Cr3ature | gdm |
| 15:03.09 | \amethyst | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 15:04.54 | Cr3ature | \amethyst: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/wacom |
| 15:04.58 | Cr3ature | is that a fatal? |
| 15:05.03 | Cr3ature | i don't see picture |
| 15:06.11 | tapas | error: forced unwind support required |
| 15:06.45 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: can you get the log into a pastebin ? |
| 15:06.53 | tapas | this is where building my libc fails |
| 15:07.04 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: that should not to fatal if you have the default setup. |
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| 15:09.27 | Cr3ature | pumpkin0: the Xorg.log? |
| 15:09.55 | pumpkin0 | Cr3ature: yes. And the config (looks like /etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
| 15:12.43 | chops | tapas: Can you pastebin the full error output (as well as the first few lines of the build, with the command you're using to build and all)? |
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| 15:13.06 | tapas | chops: it's in a virtualbox, so it's difficult to do that.. |
| 15:13.17 | tapas | chops: fiddling around. if it comes back i will supply the infos you requested |
| 15:13.31 | tapas | [in the worst case copying by hand ;)] |
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| 15:13.38 | tapas | or a screenshot :) |
| 15:13.45 | chops | tapas: Does the virtual machine have internet access? |
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| 15:14.15 | tapas | chops: yeah i could ssh into it i guess |
| 15:14.29 | chops | tapas: Or use a pastebin pipe |
| 15:14.37 | tapas | ay |
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| 15:14.54 | chops | !tell tapas about pastebin pipe |
| 15:14.59 | wols_ | why would anyone build a libc? is this #gentoo? |
| 15:15.04 | tapas | chops: i appreciate you taking your time to answer my crazy questions btw.. |
| 15:15.36 | chops | wols_: His boss feels that it's better for him to compile and install a 2.4 libc6 on etch than it is for his boss to rebuild the application against libc6 2.3 |
| 15:16.03 | chops | wols_: If you're still feeling optimistic by any chance, ask him about his 2.4 kernel :-) |
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| 15:16.43 | moshii | why not put that application inside a chroot? |
| 15:16.44 | wols_ | chops: erm, this won't work. kernel 2.4 and libc6 2.4 don't mix |
| 15:16.53 | chops | wols_: Hence the rebuilding |
| 15:17.12 | wols_ | clusterfuck city |
| 15:17.13 | chops | wols_: It is possible to configure libc6 2.4 at build time to work with kernel 2.4, correct? |
| 15:17.16 | chops | wols_: Indeed |
| 15:17.22 | tapas | actually it works ok.. |
| 15:17.33 | wols_ | chops: I doubt it. if it why wouldn't debian do it? |
| 15:17.34 | tapas | it';s juts packaghe management giving me trouible ;) |
| 15:17.47 | wols_ | tapas: how do you know? |
| 15:17.51 | tapas | but i hack a 2.5 libc snapshot now to support linuxthreads and min kernel version 2.4.0 |
| 15:18.00 | chops | tapas: No, it's not the package management. The package management is saving you from much more subtle problems which you're trying to cause. |
| 15:18.02 | moshii | tapas: why didn't you put that one application is some sort of container? |
| 15:18.16 | tapas | wols_: well, i built an ubuntu glibc 2.4. package, hacked to to support 2.4.x kernels and installed it on the debian machine ;) |
| 15:18.19 | tapas | mwahaha [evil laugh] |
| 15:18.30 | chops | tapas: Wait, you're still working with the Ubuntu package? |
| 15:18.40 | chops | tapas: I told you to grab one from snapshots... |
| 15:18.42 | enouf | just use dsl, lol |
| 15:18.45 | tapas | now chops clued me into that there actually was a glibc >= 2.4 and <= 2.5 for debian |
| 15:18.49 | tapas | so i use that now |
| 15:18.55 | chops | tapas: Ah, okay |
| 15:19.01 | tapas | nope i'm working with the debian 2.5 package now |
| 15:19.04 | tapas | ok |
| 15:19.06 | chops | tapas: k |
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| 15:19.35 | chops | wols_: IIRC the libc6 maintainer simply didn't see the need to keep supporting kernel 2.4 indefinitely. I tried to dig up the bug earlier in this chat but failed. |
| 15:19.38 | enouf | being on the same page is a rare occurence on irc |
| 15:19.52 | tapas | since my knowledge of building debian packages from source is limited it comes down to grepping, tryig to grok the logic in the rules.d and sysdeps dir and hacking around until it builds ok ;) |
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| 15:20.38 | tapas | then making a backup of the virtual machine i use as testbed and installing the sucker ;) |
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| 15:21.09 | moshii | tapas: then a security issue or bug is found and you're stuck in deadlock |
| 15:21.17 | enouf | testbeds are for the weak |
| 15:21.25 | cire | I have an amd Athlon XP processor - which kernel should I use? (-486 or -686) |
| 15:21.31 | chops | moshii: There is a plan in place to migrate forward over the next few months, he's just trying to hack things into place for now |
| 15:21.34 | enouf | real men use straight asm, no peer review |
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| 15:21.42 | chops | moshii: They're stuck with 2.4 for the nonce because of a kernel module |
| 15:21.44 | tapas | moshii: yeah, this is just a hack for the time our 2.4.x kernel module port to 2.6.x is not donw |
| 15:22.16 | moshii | effort better spent on porting that module to 2.6? |
| 15:22.23 | tapas | i would have said "rebuild on the 2.3 glibc system and be done with it" |
| 15:22.29 | tapas | but you know how bosses tick ;) |
| 15:22.40 | Dewi | cire: 686 is fine |
| 15:22.50 | cire | okay, thanks |
| 15:22.51 | enouf | cire: which xp processor? 686 is fine |
| 15:22.54 | Dewi | cire: k7 is probably better |
| 15:23.22 | cire | can't see any 2.6.24-k7 image |
| 15:23.34 | enouf | haha |
| 15:23.46 | enouf | how did i know |
| 15:24.02 | chops | tapas: At the least I would recommend sending an email saying "FWIW I recommend we rebuild the application instead; changing the libc6 on the system may cause problem X, Y, and Z, and may take longer even in the short run." |
| 15:24.04 | abrotman | !k7 dropped |
| 15:24.04 | dpkg | well, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 15:24.40 | chops | tapas: If you make clear that you're fine doing it either way, but clearly and honestly summarize why you think your way is better... at least you'll feel more righteous while slogging through doing it the wrong way :-) |
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| 15:25.04 | chops | tapas: I also find that doing it over email, so your boss has some quiet time to consider your words in a non-confrontational setting, helps |
| 15:25.17 | chops | tapas: Disclaimer: I know nothing about your particular boss. This advice may get you fired. YMMV. |
| 15:25.28 | tapas | chops: i talked about it to him.. he prefers this way :) |
| 15:25.43 | chops | tapas: nod |
| 15:25.48 | Dewi | chops: nah, bosses hate nothing more than being deprived the chance to shoot you down before you've even finished outlining your suggestion |
| 15:26.00 | chops | Dewi: It depends on the person |
| 15:26.07 | tapas | yeah |
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| 15:26.16 | MrRoland | any virtualization on debian? :P |
| 15:26.21 | baloo | Hmm, the k7 drop seems rather early. |
| 15:26.23 | moshii | MrRoland: google |
| 15:26.32 | Dewi | chops: that's the nice way of putting it |
| 15:26.33 | Dewi | :) |
| 15:26.38 | moshii | MrRoland: don't make us do your homework |
| 15:26.57 | baloo | I know! I know! Let's drop support for the most common subarchitecture currently in deployed existance! |
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| 15:27.23 | enouf | i love waldi's responses "There is, after someone, usualy me, added it to the meta packages." :-P |
| 15:27.30 | chops | moshii: Well, it's a delicate art with the best of people... people who deal well with being told flat-out that they're wrong by a subordinate are quite rare in my experience. :-) |
| 15:27.32 | moshii | baloo: they ddin't drop support, a i686 kernel will work fine on that hardware |
| 15:27.59 | \amethyst | baloo: the -k7 kernel flavor was dropped because the differences from -686 weren't significant enough for it to remain worthwhile |
| 15:28.23 | baloo | moshii: Still, reading through it, the way it's being handled is downright retarded. Plus, I seem to recall i686 won't work on amd64, but k7 will, for those trying to shoot for 32 bit with a 64 bit machine. |
| 15:28.30 | moshii | chops: mabyat's where people are going wrong. The key is not to tell people they're "wrong" but to explain why you think differently |
| 15:28.43 | jelly | baloo: 686 definitely works on an amd64 |
| 15:28.51 | moshii | baloo: ask the m68k people how they feel |
| 15:28.51 | baloo | Ah, well, then. |
| 15:29.01 | \amethyst | baloo: I have a 686 kernel on an amd64 arch |
| 15:29.01 | \amethyst | s/arch/CPU/ |
| 15:29.06 | moshii | or the sparc32 people |
| 15:29.10 | \amethyst | i386 architecture, obviously |
| 15:29.11 | enouf | and someone let Adam in that thread know that amd64 arch is not in anyway related to a k7 kernel |
| 15:29.24 | Dewi | so do the k7 kernels continue to get security updates in etch? |
| 15:29.46 | moshii | chops: s/mabyat's/maybe that's/ ;) |
| 15:30.09 | Dewi | because I'm still on one... |
| 15:30.10 | chops | Like I say, I find that doing it over email, and being calm about it, is best. I recently had a personal conversation with my boss wherein he totally ignored all my suggestions, and then when I sent the follow-up email for the record saying, "Just to recap, I think that if we do it X way, the result will be A/B/C, whereas with Y we get D/E/F which is better", he immediately agreed with me. Getting people to actually _listen_ seems like the hardest part. |
| 15:30.15 | chops | moshii: Oh, definitely |
| 15:30.20 | moshii | baloo: you can get a 100mzh 060, +coldifre are basically m68k |
| 15:30.38 | moshii | baloo: s/mzh/mhz/ |
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| 15:30.52 | Dewi | chops: yeah. But people ignore what I write just as readily - sometimes more - than they ignore everything I say. |
| 15:31.02 | Dewi | chops: the *real* advantage is that you can prove later that you said it |
| 15:31.08 | Dewi | chops: when it all goes wrong |
| 15:31.25 | Dewi | chops: although, in those cases my boss suggests I fabricated the email, but that's probably more insane than most people have to deal with |
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| 15:31.55 | enouf | baloo: IINM, the older snag was that k6 CPUs had to use the k7 instead of 686 .. hrm |
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| 15:32.45 | enouf | or was it 586, rather than 686/k7 |
| 15:32.50 | Dewi | enouf: I used k6 with 686 for a long time |
| 15:32.59 | Dewi | enouf: but I don't know when this would have been |
| 15:33.02 | moshii | Dewi: not as insane as the boss I had, he argued for almost hours that you could compress encrypted data; something tell me all the cs degrees on his resume are shit |
| 15:33.05 | enouf | Dewi: k6II/III maybe? |
| 15:33.24 | Dewi | moshii: you can - if it's really badly encrypted :) |
| 15:33.36 | Dewi | enouf: would have been a II |
| 15:33.57 | SixT6 | 585 is pre 200MHz |
| 15:34.18 | Supaplex | moshii: xor encryption ftw! wahou! ;) |
| 15:34.34 | enouf | no it's not necessarily, there are p-pro 166 that are 686 |
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| 15:34.58 | jelly | Supaplex: _double_ xor ftw. |
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| 15:35.05 | abrotman | and there was a P5 200Mhz .. and also a 233 IIRC |
| 15:35.13 | moshii | Supaplex: It's not so much the fact the he was arguing against logic, it was more that he didn't understand entropy but still thought he was right hehe |
| 15:35.56 | Dewi | moshii: outlook PST files claim to use 'compressible encryption', iirc. I have no idea what scheme it is. |
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| 15:36.12 | Supaplex | moshii: yeah :) |
| 15:37.00 | moshii | Dewi: "Replace all lower case i's with l's.." |
| 15:38.25 | moshii | It's time to watch the video of stallman doing the soulja boy crank that dance again... |
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| 15:41.11 | bahadunn | anyone know when cebit is held this year? |
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| 15:41.25 | baloo | google probably does, cebit's a big enough show... |
| 15:41.57 | bahadunn | yeah I asked google already |
| 15:42.04 | bahadunn | seems like its in 2008 |
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| 15:42.13 | bahadunn | go figure |
| 15:42.26 | moshii | bahadunn: cebit 2008, top link |
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| 15:44.04 | Firefishe | on kde 3.5.5, debian etch, I have lost my Debian menu under the K menu. |
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| 15:45.14 | hell-jack | hey |
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| 15:45.17 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 15:45.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:45.35 | abrotman | !tell hell-jack about msg the bot |
| 15:46.12 | abrotman | Firefishe: update-menus ? |
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| 15:46.31 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48406 |
| 15:46.36 | hell-jack | pls look |
| 15:46.40 | hell-jack | how can i fix |
| 15:47.18 | jelly | hell-jack: restart X. |
| 15:47.24 | Dewi | hell-jack: it can't connect to an X server at that location |
| 15:47.36 | abrotman | or stop running crap as root |
| 15:48.25 | burnclouds | nm is crap |
| 15:48.36 | hell-jack | restart X |
| 15:48.46 | hell-jack | ho can ?i restart x |
| 15:49.05 | et | control-alt-backspace ;) |
| 15:49.09 | jelly | hell-jack: log out. press ctrl-alt-backspace for good measure. log in again |
| 15:49.12 | burnclouds | ctl-alt-backspace |
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| 15:49.23 | hell-jack | oki |
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| 15:49.31 | jelly | evil p33r |
| 15:49.39 | xuser | nollidj: ! |
| 15:49.51 | abrotman | he really should use something more suited to his technical level |
| 15:49.51 | edthefox | what's the recommended way of installing gnome? i just installed to a minimal state, cmd line only |
| 15:49.56 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 15:49.56 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 15:50.16 | napo | is there like a newbies guide to debian 4.0? |
| 15:50.16 | edthefox | thank you? |
| 15:50.51 | Firefishe | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/Awia7H86.html |
| 15:51.14 | abrotman | guess you broke it |
| 15:51.21 | abrotman | !tell napo about grounding |
| 15:51.32 | bitmonster | can anyone have a look at this xorg.conf? http://paste.debian.net/48408 |
| 15:51.48 | Firefishe | abrotman: any way to fix it? |
| 15:51.51 | bitmonster | if I enable the second screen my xserver breaks |
| 15:51.58 | bitmonster | => low res |
| 15:52.00 | abrotman | Firefishe: find the offending application and reinstall it |
| 15:52.42 | Firefishe | which application? I created a new user, and it's menu is just fine. Something kicked my menu hierarchy's butt. ;) |
| 15:53.24 | Firefishe | that last sentence may be tosses |
| 15:53.28 | Firefishe | tossed even |
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| 15:54.54 | rdz | is it possible to create an ssh-tunnel from compA to compB, so that compB can be accessed from compA, but at the same time, someone with physical access to compB doesn't have access to compA (through the ssh connection for the tunnel)? |
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| 15:56.07 | burnclouds | can any one suggest a good read on regulaer expressions? |
| 15:56.29 | bitmonster | theory of computation by michael sipser |
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| 15:56.45 | hell-jack | heyt |
| 15:56.48 | hell-jack | same problem |
| 15:57.31 | moshii | rdz: make a simplex tunnel. ;) |
| 15:57.35 | bitmonster | burnclouds: but it's not the easiest way, but nevertheless very nice to read |
| 15:57.51 | rdz | moshii, what is a simplex tunnel? |
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| 15:58.27 | moshii | rdz: simplex, is like half-duplex, only one party can't send anything |
| 15:58.42 | chops | burnclouds: The Camel book chapter on regular expressions. Also, use libpcre instead of standard Unix regexps :-). |
| 15:59.17 | bitmonster | burnclouds: also very nice: the papadimidriou book |
| 16:00.01 | bitmonster | http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~christos/ |
| 16:00.20 | bitmonster | Elements of the theory of computation |
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| 16:01.19 | bitmonster | is there anyone who can help me to fix my xorg.conf? |
| 16:02.23 | bitmonster | http://paste.debian.net/48408 |
| 16:02.24 | bitmonster | if i enable screen1 my xserver crashes and returns to low resolution |
| 16:03.07 | chops | bitmonster: Binary or OSS driver? |
| 16:03.21 | bitmonster | i'm using the ati/radeon driver |
| 16:03.28 | burnclouds | ok, i'm doing some bash scripting and I'd really like some regex by example and explaned in detail. any sugestions? |
| 16:03.36 | bitmonster | also tried the fglrx dringer but no chance either |
| 16:03.43 | bitmonster | driver sorry |
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| 16:05.42 | MrRoland | does debian have hibernate by default ? what do I have to install ? |
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| 16:07.14 | chops | MrRoland: uswsusp IIRC |
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| 16:07.32 | bitmonster | chops: no idea? |
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| 16:07.49 | chops | bitmonster: Are you using the proprietary driver or the OSS driver? |
| 16:08.11 | t0mb0y | is their a difference between using etch/updates or stable/updates in apt.sources ? |
| 16:08.14 | chops | bitmonster: I know nothing about the state of ATI; I'm just going to point you in one direction or another depending on your answer :-) |
| 16:08.23 | chops | t0mb0y: You should use etch/updates |
| 16:08.25 | MrRoland | chops thank you, what's IIRC ? |
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| 16:08.41 | chops | t0mb0y: If you use stable/updates you may get screwed when lenny releases |
| 16:08.43 | chops | !IIRC |
| 16:08.43 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 16:08.54 | bitmonster | chops: I don't know which kind of driver it is, it's called "ati" |
| 16:08.58 | MrRoland | ah ok |
| 16:09.04 | chops | bitmonster: How did you install it? |
| 16:09.15 | bitmonster | it was preinstalled |
| 16:09.21 | t0mb0y | k |
| 16:09.34 | chops | bitmonster: Who installed your Debian system? |
| 16:09.49 | chops | bitmonster: And what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 16:10.03 | bitmonster | my colleague installed it |
| 16:10.04 | debian_ | hello |
| 16:10.04 | wols_ | xinerama |
| 16:10.05 | karmatronic | chops: and who shot JR? |
| 16:10.10 | wols_ | !xinerama |
| 16:10.10 | dpkg | somebody said xinerama was where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 16:10.12 | debian_ | xorg died... |
| 16:10.30 | wols_ | bitmonster: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 16:10.57 | yzaLyzarC | Where is the xconfig file? |
| 16:11.11 | wols_ | !wayttd yzaLyzarC |
| 16:11.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, yzaLyzarC? |
| 16:11.21 | bitmonster | the xorg.conf file? |
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| 16:11.25 | bitmonster | in /etc/X11 |
| 16:11.29 | yzaLyzarC | ok |
| 16:11.42 | yzaLyzarC | what possibole bad things can happen if i delete it? |
| 16:12.04 | wols_ | yzaLyzarC: not much. deleting it is not good tho |
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| 16:12.15 | karmatronic | yzaLyzarC: X11 could have trouble launching .... |
| 16:12.25 | Kobaz | mount: services:/home failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 16:12.26 | Kobaz | Feb 4 11:04:35 services mountd[3454]: authenticated mount request from dev..local:789 for /home (/home) |
| 16:12.38 | Kobaz | why would i get permission denied if the server authenticated it? |
| 16:13.12 | wols_ | why would anything mount /home=? |
| 16:13.14 | Dewi | Kobaz: perhaps the entity that was identified during authentication does not have permission to do that |
| 16:13.18 | wols_ | it gets mounted on startup |
| 16:13.30 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 16:13.37 | yzaLyzarC | How to delete a file in command line? and how to start x on an remote computer? |
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| 16:13.45 | sobersabre | hi guys |
| 16:13.45 | chops | yzaLyzarC: rm deletes files |
| 16:14.04 | wols_ | yzaLyzarC: man rm |
| 16:14.08 | sobersabre | is it possible to have both python 2.5 and 2.4 with having the default as 2.4 ? |
| 16:14.09 | chops | yzaLyzarC: 'startx' starts an X server on a remote computer; you may need to change your xorg settings in order to allow X to be started remotely |
| 16:14.18 | wols_ | and starting a remote X server is kinda iffy and quite useless |
| 16:14.22 | bitmonster | that leads to nowhere, cu |
| 16:14.32 | Dewi | wols_: useless? |
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| 16:14.48 | wols_ | Dewi: where would that remote X server display? |
| 16:14.52 | Kobaz | Dewi: how would i debug that... the hostname matches... i tried using the ip too, but that doesn't help |
| 16:14.53 | burnclouds | thanks much guys and gals |
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| 16:14.57 | Dewi | wols_: an X server is a display |
| 16:14.59 | rdz | mosp, thanks for your suggestions.. it turned out, that what i want is much simpler to achieve.. i only have to specify the option -N, so that no command can be executed on compB |
| 16:15.00 | sobersabre | I am debian stable |
| 16:15.00 | Kobaz | wols_: on the remote server |
| 16:15.11 | wols_ | Kobaz: you are mistaken what a X server is |
| 16:15.17 | rdz | moshii, i mean you, not mosp |
| 16:15.22 | Kobaz | wols_: no i'm not |
| 16:15.24 | wols_ | you can run x clients remotely, not x servers |
| 16:15.43 | Dewi | wols_: ... |
| 16:15.50 | wols_ | again: how will you see the remote X output? |
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| 16:16.04 | Kobaz | wols_: by default, without any extra commands, if you run startx... it will start both the x clients and x server on the remote machine |
| 16:16.08 | Dewi | wols_: probably by sitting in front of it! |
| 16:16.17 | yzaLyzarC | How would I know if something appeared on my screen? |
| 16:16.25 | wols_ | Kobaz: but you don't sit at the remote machine's display... |
| 16:16.32 | wols_ | Dewi: it's remote... |
| 16:16.35 | Dewi | wols_: you do if you're X remoting |
| 16:16.43 | Dewi | wols_: it's remote to the app, not to me |
| 16:16.49 | Kobaz | wols_: yeah |
| 16:16.53 | wols_ | then you start it with xvnc or such. NOT startx |
| 16:17.02 | Dewi | wols_: vnc has nothing to do with x remoting |
| 16:17.10 | Kobaz | anyways |
| 16:17.12 | Dewi | wols_: vnc is an entirely different way of remoting |
| 16:17.30 | Kobaz | Dewi: are there any extra server side nfs debugging controls i wonder |
| 16:17.44 | wols_ | running a remote X server is futile since you cannot see the X servers' output |
| 16:17.50 | yzaLyzarC | I'm ssh'ing it. So I have to install vnc just to see if it is tunning? |
| 16:17.53 | wols_ | remote X is when you run a remote client on a local server |
| 16:17.55 | Dewi | wols_: you can if you are sitting in front of it |
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| 16:18.10 | Dewi | wols_: from the client's perspective, the server is remote |
| 16:18.17 | Dewi | wols_: and the client is what you have to configure |
| 16:18.22 | wols_ | Dewi: go away until you understand what the word "remote" means |
| 16:18.34 | Dewi | wols_: I am trying quite patiently to explain to you what it means |
| 16:18.41 | Kobaz | yzaLyzarC: download x11vnc... do starts, and then run x11vnc on the server, and then connect over vnc to the x server that's running on the remote box |
| 16:19.09 | yzaLyzarC | Kobaz: Sounds difficult... |
| 16:19.12 | Kobaz | it's not |
| 16:19.13 | wols_ | or simply use ssh X forwarding which works MUCH better |
| 16:19.13 | xuser | how can i check which packages are on hold? |
| 16:19.17 | Kobaz | takes 2 minutes |
| 16:19.45 | yzaLyzarC | wols_: How? |
| 16:20.47 | wols_ | by simply forwarding with ssh -X and running the x client |
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| 16:20.47 | Kobaz | yzaLyzarC: in terms of x... the server is attached to the display device... x clients are programs that connect to the server |
| 16:20.57 | yzaLyzarC | Then I have an xserver |
| 16:21.03 | Dewi | wols_: assuming the client end of the ssh connection knows of a valid X server... |
| 16:21.03 | yzaLyzarC | The display device is remote |
| 16:21.51 | yzaLyzarC | I know a soultion, I'll move myself to the computer. Would slay kill the xsession? |
| 16:22.00 | yzaLyzarC | kill x? |
| 16:22.05 | S4nD3r | how to associate pdf files to acroread in nautilus? every double click this try to open pdf files usind evince, I really prefer acroread (I removed evince) |
| 16:22.33 | jelly | !why is sun-java6 not in testing |
| 16:22.33 | dpkg | sun-java6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=sun-java6 |
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| 16:23.33 | Dewi | jelly: this must be why we're dropping k7 kernels. 64 bit is so mature! |
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| 16:23.54 | jelly | Dewi: I don't follow, sorry. |
| 16:24.06 | chops | Dewi: 64 bit Debian has been mature for many, many years. |
| 16:24.09 | Dewi | jelly: nevermind. I just hate seeing that message "not yet build on ia64" |
| 16:24.22 | chops | Dewi: Do you have an Itanium system? |
| 16:24.27 | jelly | Dewi: itanium is quirky |
| 16:24.30 | chops | Dewi: amd64 is the 64-bit you probably mean |
| 16:24.42 | Dewi | chops: people seem to have problems with it as well |
| 16:25.08 | chops | Dewi: I run it on one machine here; it works great. What problems? |
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| 16:25.26 | jelly | people that have moneys for itanium probably also have enough to run supported OSes :-) |
| 16:25.51 | chops | jelly: I didn't know Itanium was even still sold |
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| 16:26.26 | jelly | hah, that page _is_ buggy |
| 16:26.35 | Dewi | chops: mainly with closed source shit |
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| 16:26.48 | Dewi | chops: flash, java... |
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| 16:27.35 | chops | Dewi: The amd64 machine here is almost exclusively a server for closed source software (Perforce). It's true that flash and java are sort of a PITA... |
| 16:27.37 | jelly | Maulkin: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=sun-java6 has links to http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ia32-sun-java6-bin ... using it with binary package names worked before |
| 16:27.41 | Arrick | can someone point me to an english mirror for downloading the netinst iso image? |
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| 16:28.03 | moshii | no problems with flash or java here... amd64 |
| 16:28.14 | napo | i have a question about formatting, i want to format my harddrive and install with debian 4.0's cd, should i be worried about my data on the slave ntfs drive being erased? |
| 16:28.26 | moshii | Arrick: the rest of blighty just won't do? |
| 16:28.40 | Arrick | moshii, huh? |
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| 16:28.53 | moshii | napo: if you don't tell the installer to nuke it, it won't |
| 16:28.58 | Dewi | napo: the installer will only touch drives you tell it to |
| 16:29.04 | napo | even with guided? |
| 16:29.08 | jelly | Arrick: will a Scottish mirror do, pray tell? |
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| 16:29.08 | moshii | Arrick: you want an english mirror.. you mean one in England? |
| 16:29.14 | napo | ok, thanks |
| 16:29.20 | Dewi | napo: afaik guided only ever uses a single disk |
| 16:29.27 | yzaLyzarC | Is slay supposed to kill x? |
| 16:29.46 | Arrick | no moshii just something that has the "english" written distro |
| 16:29.53 | napo | so the ntfs drive should mount automatically if i use guided then right? |
| 16:29.55 | Dewi | napo: either way, guided shows you what it's doing before it destroys anything. Make sure you can identify your disks and pay attention to the prompts |
| 16:30.14 | napo | i know my ntfs drive is hdd1 :D |
| 16:30.23 | moshii | Arrick: There aren't any language specific isos as far as I know, the install support a truck load of them though |
| 16:30.30 | Dewi | napo: automounting depends on your configuration |
| 16:30.34 | Supaplex | napo: if you're paranoid, pull the drive before you install :) |
| 16:30.45 | napo | haha |
| 16:30.50 | chops | napo: Having a full backup before doing any installation is always a very good idea |
| 16:30.51 | yzaLyzarC | Shold the computer use 100% cpu constantly? |
| 16:31.00 | moshii | Arrick: including English (marked as british english from some reason) and yank hahaha |
| 16:31.12 | moshii | s/from/for/ |
| 16:31.15 | sidux | Hi, I have a trouble using wine, it prompts me an error like "load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"OPENGL32.dll": libGL.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" so I want to know how to modify the ld.so.conf to include the 32bits lib |
| 16:31.17 | napo | i did pull it and that's why i can't figure out how to mount it :P |
| 16:31.38 | wols_ | !tell sidux about sidux |
| 16:31.39 | Supaplex | yzaLyzarC: not unless it's always busy |
| 16:31.43 | chops | sidux: Are you running a 32-bit wine on a 64-bit system? If so, how did you set it up? |
| 16:31.50 | Maulkin | jelly: ack, seems broken. Mail me :) |
| 16:31.55 | yzaLyzarC | It is running one ssh session... |
| 16:32.11 | Arrick | well, how about a link then moshii |
| 16:32.17 | Supaplex | yzaLyzarC: according to top, what's munching the cpu? are you running scp/sftp? |
| 16:32.23 | sidux | chops: I'm running a 64-bits wine from debian repository |
| 16:32.31 | moshii | Arrick: www.google.com |
| 16:32.41 | kractor | morning / afternoon / evening (depending on your timezone) |
| 16:32.46 | yzaLyzarC | /user/bin/x11 is using about ~80% |
| 16:32.50 | moshii | Arrick: www.debian.org |
| 16:32.52 | chops | sidux: What's 'file `which wine`' output? |
| 16:33.03 | Arrick | gee thanks, push your distro even farther into the past by being an arse when people want a link to download it. |
| 16:33.05 | jelly | Maulkin: what's your email address? |
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| 16:33.23 | Maulkin | neilm@debian.org |
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| 16:33.28 | Dewi | Arrick: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:33.29 | jelly | tyvm |
| 16:33.31 | Dewi | Arrick: is that what you want? |
| 16:33.34 | moshii | Arrick: How are you going to us it if you can't even google for it |
| 16:33.36 | chops | Arrick: If you can't use google to locate a download link, chances are you're not going to be helping bring Debian too much further into the future :-/ |
| 16:33.38 | Arrick | yes dewey thanks |
| 16:33.42 | Arrick | im trying to wget it |
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| 16:33.47 | gigo | I have set up a port forward as ssh -L 2121:localhost:2020 root@localhost. When I connect as nc -v 127.0.0.1 2121, it connects fine. But when I connect as: nc -v 192.168.1.3 2121, I get this error: [192.168.1.3] 2121 (iprop) : Connection refused - Why? |
| 16:34.00 | sidux | chops: sorry I didn't understand, are you talking about the application I try to launch with wine? |
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| 16:34.19 | chops | sidux: I'm asking you what the output is of the command: file `which wine` |
| 16:34.21 | techouse | hey |
| 16:34.26 | sidux | ok |
| 16:34.44 | sidux | chops: /usr/bin/wine |
| 16:34.55 | chops | sidux: Not the command: which wine |
| 16:35.00 | Supaplex | moshii: we send the rejects to #ubuntu ;) |
| 16:35.03 | chops | sidux: But the command: file `which wine` |
| 16:35.07 | techouse | guys i hav20-30 min |
| 16:35.13 | valdyn | sidux is a distro too.. |
| 16:35.19 | valdyn | #sidux ? |
| 16:35.19 | gigo | techouse: so? |
| 16:35.20 | Arrick | hard to run google with no gui there moshii |
| 16:35.24 | techouse | ehh |
| 16:35.25 | chops | Arrick: elinks |
| 16:35.27 | Supaplex | Arrick: elinks |
| 16:35.30 | sidux | chops: /usr/bin/wine: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 16:35.40 | techouse | damn irssi |
| 16:35.42 | techouse | emm.. |
| 16:35.45 | moshii | Supaplex: That's why they all come here for support, because there's not even one person with a clue in their community? |
| 16:35.51 | techouse | X restarts every 20-30 min |
| 16:35.56 | techouse | don't know why |
| 16:35.57 | jelly | chops: pwnd by debian wine wrapper |
| 16:35.59 | kractor | weirdness |
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| 16:36.13 | Supaplex | moshii: yea. hence all the extra topic noise and factoids to deal with them. |
| 16:36.31 | chops | sidux: Er, right... uh... what's 'apt-cache policy wine' say? |
| 16:36.37 | techouse | this happened when i updated to lenny yesterday |
| 16:37.01 | moshii | ubunt, it's almost as silly as scientology (TM). ? |
| 16:37.16 | moshii | s/ubunt/ubuntu/ |
| 16:37.22 | sidux | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.23 | sidux | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.35 | chops | sidux: Paste the full output to a pastebin, please |
| 16:37.39 | cahoot | and I thought ubuntu was OT |
| 16:37.43 | sidux | ok |
| 16:38.01 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 16:38.01 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 16:38.11 | sidux | http://pastebin.ca/891403 |
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| 16:39.41 | yzaLyzarC | How to make xserver konfigure itself? |
| 16:39.49 | Dewi | !drxx yzaLyzarC |
| 16:39.50 | dpkg | yzaLyzarC: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 16:40.54 | jelly | sidux: what does file "/usr/lib/wine/wine.bin" say? |
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| 16:41.19 | jelly | sidux: er, "file /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin" |
| 16:41.48 | chops | sidux: Do you have an nvidia driver by any chance? |
| 16:41.49 | sidux | /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 16:41.51 | jair | hey quick question guys, how can I make "ab" apache bench command tool be run from my regular user, I think I am trying to add "ab" to the path of the "regular" user. :D |
| 16:42.07 | jelly | chops: looks like you were right |
| 16:42.09 | sidux | chops: Yes I just installed the last version today |
| 16:42.13 | valdyn | jair: it doesnt need to be in the path to be run |
| 16:42.15 | sidux | build using m-a |
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| 16:42.31 | chops | sidux: And did you not have this problem yesterday? |
| 16:42.37 | Dewi | jelly: path/to/tool/ab |
| 16:42.42 | Dewi | oops |
| 16:42.46 | Dewi | jair: path/to/tool/ab |
| 16:42.50 | sidux | chops: I never tried it |
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| 16:42.57 | valdyn | wols_: sid |
| 16:42.58 | yzaLyzarC | Server is already active for display 0, this is x11 error message, why? |
| 16:43.08 | wols_ | valdyn: sid has .53 for some time now |
| 16:43.16 | valdyn | wols_: oh, not on amd64 |
| 16:43.16 | jelly | ye olde sid |
| 16:43.24 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: I still have no idea what you're trying to do |
| 16:43.24 | valdyn | wols_: but hes using sidux anyway i guess |
| 16:43.31 | sidux | valdyn: yes |
| 16:43.32 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: Starx |
| 16:43.34 | chops | sidux: Are you running Debian, or sidux? |
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| 16:43.38 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: but it sounds like you're starting an X server where one is already running |
| 16:43.47 | sidux | chops: sidux |
| 16:43.49 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: How would I know? |
| 16:43.51 | chops | sidux: Ugh |
| 16:43.57 | chops | sidux: You should seek support from the sidux people then |
| 16:44.02 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: do you have an X server running on the machine you want to display your application? |
| 16:44.06 | valdyn | sidux: its not debian, and even debian/sid is hardly supported in this channel |
| 16:44.19 | jair | valdyn: I try to run it as regular user and it does not work :( |
| 16:44.20 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: I dont knwo I'm ssh'ing it. |
| 16:44.21 | sidux | ok, sorry for that |
| 16:44.26 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: sshing from it? |
| 16:44.28 | wols_ | sidux: I told you when you came in |
| 16:44.29 | jair | valdyn: I try as root and it runs |
| 16:44.29 | chops | sidux: It looks like you somehow have a 32-bit wine and a 64-bit libGL.so.1... I'm not sure if that's actually what's going on, though, or if so how it might have happened. |
| 16:44.30 | jelly | heh, wine ftbfs on amd64 with "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" |
| 16:44.42 | themill | wtf? |
| 16:44.51 | valdyn | jair: i thought you should know the rules of this channel, since you have been here before |
| 16:44.53 | jair | Dewi: how smart... I know that but how do i add the path to my user |
| 16:45.01 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: My laptop... |
| 16:45.01 | valdyn | jair: "doesnt work" is useless to anyone who could help you |
| 16:45.10 | jair | valdyn: so sorry |
| 16:45.12 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: does your laptop have an X server running on it? |
| 16:45.20 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: Windows... |
| 16:45.26 | jair | I haven't been in irc in some time |
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| 16:45.37 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: you want to display X apps in windows? |
| 16:45.41 | sidux | chops: thanks for your help |
| 16:45.45 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: you will need to install an X server in windows |
| 16:45.53 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: or use another remoting method such as vnc |
| 16:45.54 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: No, on the box I'm ssh'ing. |
| 16:45.54 | chops | sidux: np |
| 16:45.56 | chops | sidux: Good luck |
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| 16:46.01 | Supaplex | jair: works for me. .../ab http://host/ |
| 16:46.03 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: sshing FROM or TO? |
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| 16:46.20 | jair | valdyn: alright let's start again, I am running "ab" as user and I do not get the menu list to run the command with the options, if I do it as root then it shows the menu. |
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| 16:46.25 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: TO |
| 16:46.30 | jair | Supaplex: let me try again |
| 16:46.40 | valdyn | jair: any error message? |
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| 16:46.47 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: are you at the machine? |
| 16:46.54 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: No |
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| 16:47.02 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: then why display X apps on it? |
| 16:47.15 | yzaLyzarC | Dewi: SO people can login. |
| 16:47.24 | wols_ | Dewi: to remotely display X of course. I asked him this all along... |
| 16:47.36 | wols_ | yzaLyzarC: as root /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 16:47.38 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: so why can't they? |
| 16:48.02 | techouse_ | where is the grub boot list? |
| 16:48.07 | techouse_ | i gotta modify it |
| 16:48.13 | wols_ | techouse_: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:48.16 | yzaLyzarC | Because they are stupid, and with no xserver they dont know where to put the password/username. |
| 16:48.20 | wols_ | techouse_: modify how exactly? |
| 16:48.27 | techouse_ | add noapic in the end |
| 16:48.29 | techouse_ | :P |
| 16:48.33 | wols_ | yzaLyzarC: install a displaymanager and run it |
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| 16:48.41 | jair | valdyn: tecadmin@cli-dp-native:~$ ab |
| 16:48.42 | wols_ | techouse_: do NOT edit the kernel lines |
| 16:48.42 | jair | bash: ab: command not found |
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| 16:48.56 | techouse_ | huh? how then?! |
| 16:48.57 | valdyn | jair: where is ab located? |
| 16:49.01 | wols_ | jair: locate bin/ab |
| 16:49.02 | Supaplex | jair: ab is only in $PATH for root |
| 16:49.06 | yzaLyzarC | wols_: Like x-session-manager? |
| 16:49.09 | valdyn | jair: run 'which ab' as root if you do not know |
| 16:49.12 | wols_ | techouse_: kopt line |
| 16:49.18 | techouse_ | kopt?! |
| 16:49.20 | techouse_ | !kopt |
| 16:49.43 | Dewi | yzaLyzarC: like gdm |
| 16:49.46 | wols_ | yzaLyzarC: what desktop environment do you use? |
| 16:50.10 | techouse_ | wols_: every time i have to boot he pc i have to add noapic manually in grub to the kernel line |
| 16:50.17 | techouse_ | i just wanna make this thins auto |
| 16:50.29 | wols_ | I told you where to add it |
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| 16:51.09 | wols_ | after adding run update-grub |
| 16:51.31 | jair | ok |
| 16:51.31 | jelly | techouse_: look for "# kopt" in that file. add your " noapic" there. DO NOT UNCOMMENT IT. |
| 16:51.54 | techouse_ | k |
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| 16:52.15 | Dewi | jelly: kopt works while commented? |
| 16:52.19 | techouse_ | jelly,: this # kopt=root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet |
| 16:52.20 | techouse_ | ? |
| 16:52.27 | jair | valdyn: "/usr/sbin/ab" |
| 16:52.28 | jelly | techouse_: yes. |
| 16:52.39 | Arrick | hey, when running vmware server on the recent release of debian, what permissions does a directory need in order to run the vm's in the vmware directory? |
| 16:52.46 | techouse_ | k |
| 16:52.49 | techouse_ | restarting |
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| 16:53.04 | Supaplex | Arrick: is vmware in debian? :) |
| 16:53.10 | Arrick | yes Supaplex |
| 16:53.15 | Supaplex | bzzzzt |
| 16:53.15 | Arrick | vmware server |
| 16:53.17 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 16:53.18 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 16:53.27 | Arrick | ahh ok |
| 16:53.34 | Greun | HI, I have a query can I point /etc/resolv.conf like this namserver dns.domain.com or do I need to use an ipaddress |
| 16:53.45 | jair | valdyn: so if the path is: "/usr/sbin/ab" |
| 16:53.58 | Arrick | hrmm its in the debain packages with default sources Supaplex, or at least thats where I downloaded from |
| 16:54.06 | chops | Greun: Think about your question for a second :-) |
| 16:54.06 | Dewi | Arrick: huh? |
| 16:54.11 | Arrick | yeah, last night |
| 16:54.15 | jelly | Dewi: yes. update-grub script reads the magic comments and updates the real configuration stanzas |
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| 16:54.17 | mahound | hello |
| 16:54.29 | chops | Greun: "The keys to your mailbox will be sent to you via overnight mail..." |
| 16:54.30 | mahound | i can't su |
| 16:54.35 | mahound | "su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." |
| 16:54.37 | Dewi | Arrick: you just got the netinst then |
| 16:54.41 | mahound | what might be the problem? |
| 16:54.54 | jair | valdyn: cli-dp-native:~# echo $PATH |
| 16:54.55 | jair | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 16:54.56 | yzaLyzarC | Nobody here? |
| 16:55.18 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.18 | wols_ | Arrick: contrib is not debian |
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| 16:55.23 | Arrick | ok |
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| 16:55.32 | jair | valdyn: I really don't know why it does not work, I have "/usr/sbin/" in my path |
| 16:55.43 | jair | ohhh sorry that is root's path |
| 16:55.53 | Dewi | Arrick: what permissions you need is likely to depend on who the server is running as, and who owns the files you're trying to access |
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| 16:56.32 | jair | tecadmin@cli-dp-native:~$ echo $PATH |
| 16:56.33 | jair | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 16:56.36 | Dewi | Arrick: probably best to chown the directory and files to the same user vmware server identifies as |
| 16:56.37 | sts | hello folks. does anybody know how i can see the limit and the number of open file descriptors of a specific process? |
| 16:56.44 | jair | that is the regular user's path |
| 16:56.47 | techouse | jelly: nope...it doesn't boot automatically; i still have to add noapic manually in grub to the kernel line |
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| 16:57.14 | jair | so if i need to add to this $PATH a "/usr/sbin" |
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| 16:57.20 | wols_ | techouse: pastebin your FULL menu.lst please |
| 16:57.22 | Dewi | jelly: um... what does update-grub write to? |
| 16:57.25 | techouse | k |
| 16:57.28 | techouse | 1 sec |
| 16:57.32 | wols_ | Dewi: to menu.lst |
| 16:57.33 | Dewi | jelly: I mess with grub from time to time and I have never run it... |
| 16:57.34 | valdyn | jair: just start ab with by running "/usr/sbin/ab" |
| 16:57.35 | jair | tecadmin => the regular user on my system |
| 16:57.48 | wols_ | Dewi: one rarely does |
| 16:58.04 | jair | valdyn: I know that is what I am doing, but how can I add it permanently to my user path? |
| 16:58.08 | wols_ | but it runs everytime you install a kernel automatically |
| 16:58.12 | jair | valdyn: there is a way right |
| 16:58.25 | jair | do I need to check bashsrc? |
| 16:58.30 | Dewi | wols_: am I in the process of learning why I need to change grub every time a kernel gets updated? |
| 16:58.34 | wols_ | jair: edit your bash startup files and add it |
| 16:58.52 | jair | wols_: that bash file is located on? |
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| 16:59.09 | techouse | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d47e55775 |
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| 16:59.27 | sebbs | does anyone know of a corporate backup solution for linux? |
| 16:59.37 | jelly | Dewi: update-grub rearranges the automatically added configuration (in menu.lst) based on the contents of /boot and magic comments in menu.lst itself |
| 16:59.39 | Kobaz | sebbs: rsync.net ? |
| 16:59.51 | valdyn | sebbs: what's a "corporate backup solution" ? |
| 17:00.00 | themill | valdyn: one with lots of buzzwords |
| 17:00.01 | Dewi | sebbs: tar, rsync, rdiff-backup are good tools |
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| 17:00.09 | sebbs | well you know anything that produces nice graphs |
| 17:00.09 | themill | sebbs: rsnapshot |
| 17:00.14 | jelly | valdyn: something that costs 5 figures. |
| 17:00.15 | Kobaz | sebbs: haha |
| 17:00.15 | abrotman | graphs are backups? |
| 17:00.17 | jair | it's ok i will google it |
| 17:00.18 | sebbs | yeah i know i used rdiff before |
| 17:00.20 | jair | thank you |
| 17:00.20 | sebbs | hehe |
| 17:00.29 | Dewi | sebbs: we deal in tools rather than solutions, usually |
| 17:00.31 | Kobaz | sebbs: check out backuppc for maintaining local backups |
| 17:00.32 | sebbs | ive always built my own backuping scripts etc |
| 17:00.34 | techouse | wols_: i added noapic in the end of line 64 |
| 17:00.43 | sebbs | but i am trying to find something that might be found in companys |
| 17:00.51 | Kobaz | sebbs: we use it here, it's great |
| 17:00.52 | jelly | for 6 figures, you get an _enterprise_ backup solution |
| 17:00.55 | sebbs | just for the fun of it really, i thought i would install omniback just for fun |
| 17:00.55 | valdyn | sebbs: tar , cp are in companies |
| 17:00.56 | nollidj | sebbs: try looking for dirvish |
| 17:01.08 | sebbs | valdyn: :P |
| 17:01.09 | valdyn | sebbs: you really want to ask for what you really want |
| 17:01.13 | techouse | jelly: i don't understand why i shouldn't uncomment it |
| 17:01.23 | techouse | doesn't that make is useless? |
| 17:01.43 | nollidj | dirvish is a pretty simple rsync/perl/ssh remote or local backup system |
| 17:01.46 | jelly | techouse: read the comments in the file, and heed them. |
| 17:01.52 | mahound | i need help,please |
| 17:01.55 | mahound | i cannot sudo or su |
| 17:02.06 | justin | mahound: why not? |
| 17:02.12 | sebbs | perhaps i`ll just make my own backup tool |
| 17:02.14 | mahound | sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file! |
| 17:02.19 | nollidj | sebbs: try looking at dirvish |
| 17:02.23 | sebbs | gonna test that bacula first |
| 17:02.25 | sebbs | oh and dirvish |
| 17:02.30 | Dewi | jelly, wols_ : thanks for the grub info. I should really know these things, but I don't, and I sure never would have guessed that menu.lst read its own comments and changed itself :P |
| 17:02.40 | techouse | ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs <-- oh :D |
| 17:02.56 | sebbs | techmouse |
| 17:03.01 | themill | !cluebat techouse |
| 17:03.20 | jelly | it's an id10t issue. |
| 17:03.23 | nollidj | wow... that got a lot geekier |
| 17:03.50 | Dewi | themill: What's the point of the URL to debian/security? That URL doesn't save you from the cluebat of #debian |
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| 17:04.03 | ARES | Hello, I have the following function http://pastebin.com/d7dc971eb to get the user input and enforce it's a number in the specified interval (0.255), now I wish to add the default choice, so this function must return char(-1) if user just hits ENTER. Any suggestions? |
| 17:04.03 | justin | mahound: what did you do? |
| 17:04.20 | sebbs | fsck 1.40.4 (31-Dec-2007) |
| 17:04.20 | sebbs | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 17:04.20 | sebbs | Read 32 bytes at 4713914368:Input/output error |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | ARES: ask the correct channel ? |
| 17:04.27 | valdyn | ARES: this is not a programmign channel |
| 17:04.30 | sebbs | dam dam taa |
| 17:04.33 | mahound | apt-get uninstalled tzdata and util-linux |
| 17:04.35 | abrotman | ARES: like ##c++ ? |
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| 17:04.43 | mahound | i reinstalled them, but doesn't work :/ |
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| 17:05.12 | themill | Dewi: It's a random phrase. Well.. it's really saying anything other than pebkac /msg dpkg literal cmd: cluebat (.*?) |
| 17:05.37 | justin | mahound: umm, how did you remove tzdata? |
| 17:05.46 | ARES | abrotman, nobody told me any suggestion in ##c++, that's why I'm asking here, right? Maybe someone knows the answer, you for example =) |
| 17:05.55 | valdyn | !they don't know |
| 17:05.55 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:06.05 | abrotman | ARES: even if i did .. i'd make you go with me to ##c++ .. it's not appropriate for this channel |
| 17:06.24 | ARES | abrotman, shell we go to c++ for a second? |
| 17:06.35 | abrotman | ARES: note "even if i did" |
| 17:06.38 | mahound | justin: just apt-get update |
| 17:06.41 | Dewi | ARES: that excuse doesn't work even if you're close to the topic, and you're not even in the same region. |
| 17:06.49 | ARES | abrotman, damn |
| 17:06.50 | mahound | upgrade |
| 17:06.57 | themill | ARES: I am not going to do your homework for you. |
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| 17:07.03 | jelly | ARES: people interested in the topic of c++ go there. People interested in Debian are here. Please be on topic. |
| 17:07.33 | jair | searching on google I found that there is a file called "/etc/profile" who shows two lines of paths I think one is for root user and the other one is for the regular users. |
| 17:07.45 | valdyn | jair: no, dont go that way |
| 17:07.48 | Dewi | jair: try your own user's dotfiles first |
| 17:07.50 | jair | is that the only think i need to edit on the system ? |
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| 17:07.55 | valdyn | jair: if you want to fuck up the path, do in at ~/ |
| 17:08.09 | Dewi | jair: things in your home directory like .bashrc .login .profile .bash_profile |
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| 17:08.17 | badmanh | heh |
| 17:08.22 | badmanh | /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 17:08.22 | valdyn | jair: ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc or whatever shell you use |
| 17:08.23 | jair | I do not have ".profile" |
| 17:08.26 | Dewi | jair: the various rules for how they are loaded is too much for me to go into now... look for other references to PATH in them |
| 17:08.30 | badmanh | i keep seeing that replicated 100x times |
| 17:08.32 | valdyn | !wikifaq jair DotFiles |
| 17:08.32 | dpkg | jair: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 17:08.41 | jair | alright thanks |
| 17:08.44 | mahound | justin: now i can't sudo, su or ssh to the machine |
| 17:08.48 | techouse | wols_: and? what should i do? |
| 17:08.51 | gwiziwg | what would be the proper procedure to purge an installed package and re-install? I'm looking for the package maintainer's configuration files, etc. to fix broken authentication in Samba 3... perhaps some things not in the 2.2 configuration files are needed for the upgrade to work properly |
| 17:08.54 | mahound | i have a shell, nothing more :/ |
| 17:09.29 | badmanh | is there any reason why /usr/bin/php5-cgi replicated like 1000 times? |
| 17:09.33 | justin | mahound: I think you did something else that you are not telling |
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| 17:09.36 | jelly | jair: what exactly is stopping you from invoking /usr/sbin/ab explicitely? |
| 17:09.41 | jair | valdyn: don't put ".profile" because that does not appear on the debian system etch at least by default. that can miss lead newbies on bash. |
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| 17:09.51 | jair | jelly: time my friend |
| 17:09.59 | valdyn | jair: so make it = |
| 17:10.01 | abrotman | gwiziwg: dpkg -P <pkg> && aptitude install <pkg> |
| 17:10.03 | jair | I do not want to be tipying all the time the path |
| 17:10.29 | abrotman | i hate tipying |
| 17:10.30 | valdyn | jair: saner would be to add an alias like alias ab /usr/sbin/ab |
| 17:10.33 | jelly | jair: your shell doesn't have history, and cursor-up and cursor-down? |
| 17:10.44 | jair | valdyn: that could be a good clarification :) if is not "~/.profile" there you can create it :) newbies will be very happy. |
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| 17:10.48 | abrotman | and you surely shouldn't drive while tipying |
| 17:10.50 | valdyn | jair: since sbin has no business being in a users path |
| 17:10.54 | mahound | justin: well, i added testing to sources.list |
| 17:11.02 | mahound | then, made an upgrade |
| 17:11.07 | jelly | ab _could_ easily be in /bin/ |
| 17:11.28 | jelly | just like, say, ping is. :-) |
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| 17:11.38 | justin | mahound: can you cat /etc/passwd? |
| 17:11.49 | mahound | justin: yes |
| 17:11.51 | gwiziwg | blast... thanks abrotman, but aptitude has a pending removal of another needed package that I haven't been able to resolve |
| 17:12.14 | justin | mahound: but your user account is missing? |
| 17:12.22 | mahound | justin: no |
| 17:12.28 | mahound | that's what i find strange |
| 17:12.29 | themill | mahound: are you actually at a busybox shell? |
| 17:12.37 | techouse | jelly: what could i be doing wrong?! |
| 17:12.54 | mahound | themill: no |
| 17:13.09 | Dewi | techouse: are people supposed to guess? |
| 17:13.17 | Dewi | techouse: try the advice you were given |
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| 17:13.23 | Dewi | techouse: and explain how it isn't working for you |
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| 17:13.32 | Dewi | (assuming it isn't) |
| 17:13.44 | techouse | nope |
| 17:13.47 | themill | Dewi: in answer to those questions... yes, how, pebkac |
| 17:13.49 | techouse | it ain't |
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| 17:14.30 | mahound | wait... it's working |
| 17:14.32 | jair | alright guys I will check and then come back if I get or not the solution ;) |
| 17:14.37 | jair | Thank you all |
| 17:14.39 | mahound | coudl it be a problem with tiemzones? |
| 17:14.46 | mahound | since i changed the timezone |
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| 17:17.05 | badmanh | How do i stop php? |
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| 17:17.14 | badmanh | even though i stopped my webserver |
| 17:17.14 | winther | hi |
| 17:17.19 | wols_ | techouse: run update-grub |
| 17:17.23 | badmanh | php still spawns processes |
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| 17:17.29 | winther | is there a way to downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 17:17.31 | abrotman | no |
| 17:17.31 | Schiz0 | badmanh: php isn't a daemon. |
| 17:17.34 | wols_ | winther: no |
| 17:17.44 | Dewi | badmanh: from where? |
| 17:17.44 | nollidj | badmanh: try using pstree to see what is spawning the php processes |
| 17:17.50 | wols_ | badmanh: pstree |
| 17:18.07 | Erik1 | debian, canon iP4200 & turboprint: it says tp0 is not accepting jobs... what can be the issue ? |
| 17:18.12 | techouse | wols_: do i have to make it look like this: kopt=noapic |
| 17:18.21 | at0m|c | what's a convenient way to turn images 90'? so far my best bet would be windows' built-in viewer (Ctrl-j, Ctrl-k), but i hate to ask a friend to use his machine ;) The programs i know change bitdepth/reso or tags.. |
| 17:18.24 | winther | wols_: damn. So I have to reinstall my whole system again to be in stable? I read something about pinning on google |
| 17:18.32 | techouse | wols_: i read here http://cmb.phys.cwru.edu/kisner/linux/compaq-r3000/menu.lst |
| 17:18.36 | badmanh | |-20*[php5-cgi---php5-cgi] |
| 17:18.44 | at0m|c | just put my last hopes on convert, but that doubles the file size on some files |
| 17:18.47 | nollidj | at0m|c: imagemagick makes it pretty easy to do in an automated fashion or from the command line |
| 17:18.50 | nollidj | oh |
| 17:18.52 | jelly | techouse: you went and restarted the machine before we could tell you you need to run update-grub |
| 17:19.03 | techouse | ah |
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| 17:19.05 | techouse | :P |
| 17:19.08 | at0m|c | nollidj, cheers, will check |
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| 17:19.11 | techouse | rofl |
| 17:19.14 | nollidj | at0m|c: convert is from imagemagick |
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| 17:19.32 | Dewi | jelly: s/before we could tell you/$0 yet again/ |
| 17:19.32 | badmanh | bah |
| 17:19.36 | badmanh | i did pstreee |
| 17:19.36 | techouse | ok |
| 17:19.41 | mahound | is rsync the best way to make a backup of a remote server? |
| 17:19.42 | badmanh | and got |-20*[php5-cgi---php5-cgi] |
| 17:19.43 | techouse | updated..testing... |
| 17:19.48 | techouse | brb |
| 17:20.13 | Dewi | mahound: I like rdiff-backup to keep some patches back to older states |
| 17:20.24 | Dewi | mahound: but sometimes it's simpler just to use tar |
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| 17:20.55 | Dewi | badmanh: what does that line descend from? |
| 17:21.07 | jelly | Dewi: surely you don't expect the user to read lines not addressing him directly? Especially not the lines for people asking similar questions. |
| 17:21.09 | badmanh | init and cron |
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| 17:21.21 | abrotman | winther: pinning won't help here at all .. if oyu've done the dist-upgrade to testing .. that's where you are |
| 17:21.30 | cutegirl | i need some help with mandriva |
| 17:21.41 | winther | abrotman: ok. Thank you |
| 17:21.48 | nollidj | at0m|c: i think that feh, a lightweight imageviewer kind of like the windows image viewer, lets you rotate images in-place. i don't know about the problem with file size, though. |
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| 17:21.51 | karmatronic | cutegirl: :) |
| 17:21.52 | badmanh | init-+-cron |
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| 17:22.02 | badmanh | |-20*[php5-cgi---php5-cgi] |
| 17:22.04 | abrotman | winther: you can track lenny til its release .. but i'm not sure that helps you |
| 17:22.06 | karmatronic | cutegirl: are you really a cute girl ? |
| 17:22.09 | techouse | it's working! :D |
| 17:22.11 | cutegirl | karmatronic, you can help me with mandriva? |
| 17:22.17 | abrotman | cutegirl: go to #mandriva |
| 17:22.20 | cutegirl | karmatronic: does it matter? |
| 17:22.29 | cutegirl | there is no one awake there |
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| 17:22.37 | abrotman | cutegirl: go to #mandriva |
| 17:22.45 | jelly | cutegirl: go to #mandriva |
| 17:22.49 | cutegirl | ok |
| 17:22.56 | karmatronic | cutegirl: that would be the only reason for asking a mandriva (which sucks btw) in a #debian channel) |
| 17:22.57 | abrotman | or ##linux |
| 17:23.03 | karmatronic | s/reason/excuse |
| 17:23.18 | cutegirl | i was directed here |
| 17:23.30 | cutegirl | by a guy at another channel, said you would help. :-( |
| 17:23.31 | Dewi | cutegirl: whoever directed you is an idiot |
| 17:23.40 | abrotman | probably a mandriva user |
| 17:23.41 | cutegirl | anyway thanks. will try mandriva |
| 17:23.48 | badmanh | Dewi, init + cron means i will have to restart right? |
| 17:23.51 | cutegirl | maybe i should quit this to that guy |
| 17:23.55 | cutegirl | that will teach him a lesson |
| 17:23.56 | techouse | another thing, how do i shut up iptables? I mean whenever i got to alt+ctrl+f1 i only see the lines "DROPPED IN= ..." and they just keep re-appearing; how do i shut them up (without disabling iptables, of course) |
| 17:24.01 | ARES | Hello, I have the following function http://pastebin.com/d7dc971eb to get the user input and enforce it's a number in the specified interval (0.255), now I wish to add the default choice, so this function must return char(-1) if user just hits ENTER. Any suggestions? |
| 17:24.07 | Dewi | badmanh: well it's starting to sound like your PHPs are being spawned by other PHPs |
| 17:24.11 | abrotman | ARES: ask ##c++ |
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| 17:24.22 | jelly | ARES: here's a suggestion. STOP ASKING OFFTOPIC QUESTIONS |
| 17:24.22 | Dewi | badmanh: maybe you should just kill them all |
| 17:24.24 | badmanh | how the hell did that happen ;/ |
| 17:24.25 | abrotman | ARES: we just fucking went over this .. |
| 17:24.40 | techouse | ARES: /j ##c++ |
| 17:24.43 | themill | ARES: you've been told before. Don't ask off-topic questions and don't ask us to do your homework. Now please either go away or be silent. |
| 17:24.47 | badmanh | Dewi i try, but the pid's change |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | jelly: /whois ... |
| 17:25.10 | Dewi | badmanh: you can kill based on name... something like sudo pkill php |
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| 17:25.30 | jelly | abrotman: $deity |
| 17:25.36 | themill | bloody hell |
| 17:25.36 | badmanh | oh, i didnt know that, im not really good with debian |
| 17:26.08 | badmanh | Dewi, nice one it worked |
| 17:26.10 | badmanh | thanks ;) |
| 17:26.15 | ARES | themill, I have no homework, but developing the OpenSource AlarmClock and need to improve one line to have it finished |
| 17:26.33 | techouse | jelly, wols_: thank you so much for your help ;) |
| 17:26.50 | valdyn | ARES: lol |
| 17:27.19 | Dewi | ARES: that reads like a nigerian scam subject line |
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| 17:27.34 | themill | ARES: That's good. I'm glad that the future of open source alarm clocks is in your hands. |
| 17:27.50 | Arrick | Dewi, sorry, was out of the office for a bit |
| 17:28.02 | Arrick | whats the command to check the current owner of a directory? |
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| 17:28.13 | valdyn | Arrick: ls |
| 17:28.14 | Dewi | Arrick: ls -l |
| 17:28.19 | Arrick | thanks |
| 17:28.47 | jelly | Dear Sir, My name is Mbwogo Ubuntu and I'm an OpenSource AlarmClock developer from Laos. |
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| 17:28.56 | themill | heh |
| 17:29.08 | techouse | jelly: ROFL |
| 17:29.21 | osmosis | I added a command to my /etc/rc.local, thinking it would run on bootup, but after a reboot, I see the command didnt run. Any ideas on how I can get the command to run at bootup ? |
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| 17:29.32 | nollidj | at0m|c: what format are the images you're looking to rotate? jpegtran claims to be able to do lossless rotation of jpegs and might work for you, too |
| 17:29.33 | Dewi | jelly: My father has come into a large amount of opensource code, but he requires just a few opensource lines of code to gain access! |
| 17:29.48 | valdyn | osmosis: why do you think it didnt run? |
| 17:30.06 | osmosis | valdyn: it starts and ssh tunnel, and I can see from netstat that the tunnel isnt up. |
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| 17:30.17 | valdyn | osmosis: that doesnt mean that it didnt start |
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| 17:30.27 | osmosis | valdyn: huh? |
| 17:30.36 | valdyn | osmosis: or rather try to start |
| 17:30.48 | valdyn | osmosis: capture the output, read why it failed |
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| 17:31.31 | Dewi | osmosis: how is this ssh session authenticating? |
| 17:31.51 | osmosis | Dewi: keys are setup. If I run the command from the command line, it completes on its own. |
| 17:31.53 | OlaX | Dewi: lol . . . that was awesome. |
| 17:32.00 | jelly | A big K-applause to staff |
| 17:32.18 | themill | indeed. |
| 17:32.22 | wAndyw78 | I've made a fresh lenny install from DVD and have the same symptoms on 2 computers: I boot the computer, the gdm login prompt appears, I enter username und password, then the x11 screen turn black, I can see the console, then the gdm login appeares second one. |
| 17:32.31 | wAndyw78 | And now I can log in. |
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| 17:33.21 | justin | wAndyw78: see what /home/user/.xsession-errors contains |
| 17:33.41 | Dewi | osmosis: are those keys available, decrypted at boot time? |
| 17:33.42 | Dewi | osmosis: to the correct user? |
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| 17:34.28 | wAndyw78 | justin: I'll have a look tomorrow |
| 17:34.29 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.42 | valdyn | techouse: nothing |
| 17:34.58 | valdyn | techouse: what you are seeing has nothing to do with syslog, and its already logged in a file |
| 17:35.06 | valdyn | techouse: edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 17:35.54 | techouse | valdyn: what do i change in it? |
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| 17:36.03 | themill | !fish |
| 17:36.03 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 17:36.15 | osmosis | This is the command in my /etc/rc.local |
| 17:36.17 | osmosis | su SSHUSER -c 'autossh -M29001 -L localhost:3306:sql-lax-001.mydomain.com:3306 SSHUSER@mymachine.mydomain.com' & |
| 17:36.49 | valdyn | osmosis: capture the output of that command and read why it failed |
| 17:36.54 | Dewi | osmosis: and it works when you run that entire line? |
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| 17:36.59 | osmosis | valdyn: I tried to redirect the output, but it was empty. |
| 17:37.06 | Dewi | osmosis: 2> ? |
| 17:37.08 | valdyn | osmosis: how did you try? |
| 17:37.12 | osmosis | Dewi: yes, works if I run that line as root. |
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| 17:37.16 | valdyn | osmosis: its 2>&1 > logfile |
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| 17:37.36 | osmosis | valdyn: inside of the su -c '' or outside ? |
| 17:37.48 | RainbowW | am looking for a utility that will take the contents of a directory and break it up into DVD-sized ISOs. Is there such a utility? I know I can do this manually with a number of tools, but considering the size of the data (and the fact that I'll want to repeat this procedure often) a tool that manages this for me would be better. suggestions? |
| 17:37.51 | valdyn | osmosis: doesnt matter i guess |
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| 17:39.01 | jair | valdyn: Thank you for the wiki sites, I am really understanding now the bash dot files ;) |
| 17:39.09 | valdyn | jair: welcome |
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| 17:40.15 | winther | I get many "/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64" erros when I use apt. Is there something wrong with libxml2 in the testing branch? |
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| 17:41.18 | techouse | valdyn: do i have to add kernel.printk = 3 4 1 7 to sysctl.conf? |
| 17:41.29 | valdyn | techouse: i dont know exactly |
| 17:41.36 | techouse | ah |
| 17:41.36 | techouse | k |
| 17:41.40 | valdyn | techouse: but this looks like you found the right place |
| 17:43.10 | bipolar | I've got a few services running in a chroot, and logged via syslog running outside the chroot. Does anyone know a way to flag all the messages created in the chroot in the log files? Currently there is no way to tell what service generated the log message. |
| 17:44.02 | linkslice | is there a way to change the pipe buffer size without recompiling the kernel |
| 17:44.19 | valdyn | bipolar: you can run services twice, once in and outside the chroot |
| 17:44.39 | valdyn | bipolar: and syslog lines contain the service that emitted that line |
| 17:44.45 | valdyn | bipolar: s/cant/cannot/ |
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| 17:44.53 | valdyn | bipolar: s/can/cannot/ |
| 17:44.56 | valdyn | ops! |
| 17:44.58 | bipolar | valdyn: er... |
| 17:45.26 | bipolar | valdyn: specificly, I have ssh running inside, and outside, the chroot. |
| 17:45.38 | valdyn | bipolar: on different ports. |
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| 17:45.41 | bipolar | right |
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| 17:46.18 | valdyn | bipolar: see /etc/ssh/sshd_config, "SyslogFacility" |
| 17:46.59 | bipolar | valdyn: yes, that would solve the ssh issue, but I was hoping there was something to flag ALL messages originating inside the chroot. |
| 17:47.19 | bipolar | since I have to specificly tell syslogd to listen to /chroot/dev/log.... |
| 17:48.00 | bipolar | It sure would make it easier |
| 17:48.42 | ServerSide | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:48.42 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 17:48.45 | valdyn | bipolar: no idea, that device node would emit the same as /dev/log.... on my system |
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| 17:49.37 | bipolar | valdyn: well, it's not really a device node, it's a socket. |
| 17:50.23 | bipolar | maybe I can do something with it inside the chroot, and pass it to another socket for syslogd to listen too |
| 17:50.33 | jelly | bipolar: run two syslogs? |
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| 17:51.08 | valdyn | bipolar: ok, i suppose you need a filter between that /chroot/dev/log and a new socket /chroot/dev/log_filtered, which syslog then listens to |
| 17:51.30 | bipolar | jelly: I thought about that, but I want the logs outside my chroot |
| 17:51.47 | debian-is-me | debian freeses at: Begin: Waiting for root file system... .... What can I do? |
| 17:51.47 | jelly | bipolar: run two syslogs outside the chroot. |
| 17:51.48 | Greun | how can I change the dns server using ifconfig |
| 17:51.58 | bipolar | jelly: hmm... and log to diffrent files? |
| 17:52.07 | valdyn | bipolar: that's what i would do anyway |
| 17:52.09 | jelly | bipolar: right |
| 17:52.17 | bipolar | valdyn: I'll see if I can do that |
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| 17:52.31 | RainbowW | i guess that lack of response means that i'm well and truly fscked. |
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| 17:52.41 | bipolar | jelly: I'll fall back to that if I can't build something to tag messages comming though the socket |
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| 17:53.36 | jelly | RainbowW: have some cheese with that whine |
| 17:53.52 | RainbowW | jelly, go cram some peanut butter up your ass. |
| 17:53.58 | jelly | hehe |
| 17:54.04 | fsckedagain | eww |
| 17:54.12 | debian-is-me | Why wont it go pass waiting for root filesystem? |
| 17:54.44 | themill | !tell RainbowW about multiple ask |
| 17:54.58 | themill | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 17:54.59 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 17:55.08 | RainbowW | themill: wrong jackass. |
| 17:55.31 | jelly | bipolar: it would be interesting if the chrooted processes thought hostname was different |
| 17:55.36 | RainbowW | !tell themill about stfu |
| 17:55.39 | biz | RainbowW: your farvourite scripting language :-) |
| 17:55.53 | pngwn | RainbowW, that attitude will get you a ton of help |
| 17:55.56 | debian-is-me | themill: What to edit it to? |
| 17:56.09 | RainbowW | can't possibly be less than the amount i'm getting now. |
| 17:56.30 | osmosis | valdyn: I redirected the output |
| 17:56.55 | bipolar | jelly: hmm... I don't know. Is the hostname field generated by syslogd or the app writing the log? |
| 17:57.26 | osmosis | valdyn: like this, su USER -c 'autossh -M29001 -L localhost:3306:sql-lax-001.mydomain.com:3306 USER@thing.mydomain.com 2>&1 > /home/USER/autossh.log2' 2>&1 > /root/autossh.log & |
| 17:57.29 | themill | RainbowW: You have a number of people who have offered suggestions on oftc. You asked the same question on both oftc and here at the same time (hence: multiple ask). You are also abusive. That is why you are not getting any help. Please stop being insulting and/or go away. |
| 17:57.45 | jelly | bipolar: by the app, unfortunately. I guess you'd have to make a LD_PRELOAD wrapper to make it think the hostname was different |
| 17:57.48 | osmosis | valdyn: unfortunately the logs are showing nothing useful. |
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| 17:58.14 | chops | winther: Checked the BTS? |
| 17:58.16 | bipolar | jelly: gah.... a socket wrapper might be easier ;P |
| 17:58.23 | jelly | bipolar: yes. :-) |
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| 17:58.42 | RainbowW | if you had a dick, this is where i'd tell you to suck it. |
| 17:58.55 | bipolar | unfortunetly I know next to nothing about using bash and socket files |
| 17:59.14 | jelly | bipolar: mentioned it really only because I already have some ld_preload wrapper code lying around :-) |
| 17:59.33 | themill | *sigh* |
| 17:59.47 | bipolar | unless.... maybe just setting /etc/hostname in the chroot will do something? grasping at straws |
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| 18:00.26 | debian-is-me | Can an kernel update kill x? |
| 18:00.47 | chops | debian-is-me: Yes |
| 18:00.49 | bipolar | jelly: nope :P |
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| 18:00.52 | themill | debian-is-me: yes. Particularly if you are using non-free X drivers (nvidia or fglrx) |
| 18:01.02 | sevard | Hey guys, I'm a long time slackware user now getting used to the debian quirks, not entirelly familiar with a package manager I have a question. I used aptitude to install openssh-server, and then I went back into aptitude and presed I on nmap since I want to install that. When I hit g it gives me the summary of actions, including telling me that it's going to go ahead and uninstall openssh-server because it's no longer used? wtf |
| 18:01.04 | debian-is-me | I'm using nvidia |
| 18:01.21 | debian-is-me | Couldnt figure why it suddenly stopped working |
| 18:02.07 | justin | sevard: aptitude is much less confusing if you never run it interactively |
| 18:02.10 | jelly | bipolar: hm, do you have /proc in the chroot? |
| 18:02.14 | justin | sevard: 'aptitude install openssh-server nmap' |
| 18:02.32 | bipolar | jelly: yeah |
| 18:02.43 | sevard | justin: if I don't run it interactivly, is it going to go ahead and make all these backass assumptions like removing packages I _just_ installed because they are no longer being used? |
| 18:03.00 | justin | sevard: nope |
| 18:03.10 | jelly | bipolar: I wonder if having a customized /etc/hosts entry in the chroot would do the trick |
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| 18:03.36 | sevard | justin: so I guess my question is: is this a bug or a PEBKAC error |
| 18:03.57 | justin | sevard: could be pebkac... there are a ton of keys that do stuff in the gui and you might have hit one |
| 18:03.59 | bipolar | jelly: well, the hostname showing up in the log files is not listed in the hosts file. |
| 18:04.10 | bipolar | jelly: so I kindof doubt it |
| 18:04.15 | sevard | justin: I'm hunting and pecking for a reason |
| 18:04.17 | justin | sevard: much easier to just run 'aptitude install foo' |
| 18:04.23 | jelly | bipolar: nope, just tried it |
| 18:04.55 | justin | sevard: see 'aptitude help', generally you can just get away with aptitude search, aptitude install, aptitude remove |
| 18:05.00 | debian-is-me | I now have my main hd as hdc... |
| 18:05.06 | osmosis | I think my command in rc.local might be working, but the parent process is getting killed so my command exits. |
| 18:05.09 | osmosis | I probably need nohup. |
| 18:05.13 | debian-is-me | and the second one as hdd |
| 18:05.38 | sevard | justin: but alright, i'll accept. one more question if you have the time, I installed iptables but seemingly the package is supposed to come with an init script that isn't there, are those defined in another package? |
| 18:05.58 | jelly | bipolar: I bet syslog-ng would make it happen, I just don't know how. :-) |
| 18:06.05 | bipolar | heh |
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| 18:06.11 | debian-is-me | I want an movie partition, ext2 or 3? Can ext3 become bigger if I want to? |
| 18:06.14 | mahound | back |
| 18:06.26 | mahound | ok, my OS is having existencial problems |
| 18:06.30 | chops | debian-is-me: Yes, gparted can resize partitions for you |
| 18:06.32 | osmosis | debian-is-me: yes, I resize my ext3 sometimes...when I use LVM. |
| 18:06.35 | mahound | sometimes it says my user does not exist, and 5 min after, it's OK again |
| 18:06.46 | justin | sevard: there are lots of packages that setup iptables for you.. yeah |
| 18:06.51 | chops | debian-is-me: Or you can use fdisk+resize2fs or LVM if you're more hardcore |
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| 18:06.58 | debian-is-me | Is ext3 good for movies? Big files? It is the best? |
| 18:07.00 | mahound | any clue why this cyclic behavior is happening? |
| 18:07.11 | chops | debian-is-me: ext3 is probably best unless you happen to know that you want a particular other FS |
| 18:07.13 | sevard | justin: I'm sorry? |
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| 18:07.22 | justin | sevard: aptitude search iptables :) |
| 18:07.31 | justin | mahound: /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 18:07.42 | hologram | debian-is-me: rtfm you can specify inode size during filesystem creation |
| 18:07.46 | justin | mahound: do you have anything funny in there, like ldap, winbind? |
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| 18:08.02 | mahound | justin, no |
| 18:08.06 | mahound | "compat" |
| 18:08.13 | mahound | for passwd, shadow and group |
| 18:08.41 | sevard | justin: uhh, iptables is installed. iptables-dev isn't, iptables-ipv4-ipqueue-perl isn't.. I guess i'm failing to see what you're getting at |
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| 18:08.58 | chops | hologram: "RTFM" is a bit harsh for that kind of general question, especially when it comes with an obscure and slightly-off reference like "inode size" without further explanation... |
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| 18:09.23 | hologram | chops: why is that harsh? just referring you to the FINE manual |
| 18:09.42 | hologram | chops: it's only obscure to those who dont rtfm |
| 18:09.43 | hologram | :) |
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| 18:10.01 | jelly | bipolar: or maybe not; it can do lots of things, but not munge received data. You can make it listen to multiple sockets and customize output though. |
| 18:10.05 | hologram | man is my friend |
| 18:10.05 | justin | sevard: ooh, try apt-cache search iptables... aptitude only searches names by default |
| 18:10.07 | hologram | and yours too |
| 18:10.42 | dkr | justin: aptitude ~dfoo to search descriptions |
| 18:10.55 | dkr | er, aptitude search ~dfoo |
| 18:11.01 | sevard | justin: so, we have every package here that includes iptables. |
| 18:11.25 | justin | sevard: yeah, pick one :) |
| 18:11.34 | chops | sevard: Debian iptables no longer contains a single "official" iptables init script; there are a bunch of packages available that offer various kinds of init scripts that will set up your iptables rules |
| 18:12.12 | dkr | DIY is the best, so you learn and understand what is going on. :) |
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| 18:12.24 | chops | sevard: dkr is right |
| 18:12.53 | sevard | chops: awesome. I can write iptables rules just fine, however I was looking for an initscript. as one that starts iptables on boot. as for writing the rules, I'll be handing this server over to a newbie - any suggestions on one that might be easy for him? |
| 18:12.56 | Firefishe | hey abrotman, solved the k-menu problem |
| 18:13.07 | Firefishe | :) |
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| 18:13.14 | chops | sevard: shorewall is well-regarded |
| 18:13.35 | chops | sevard: I've never used any of the available init scripts, though; I've always just written my own... |
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| 18:15.11 | Linuxuser-367344 | so whats so good about Debian then? |
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| 18:15.17 | chops | !why debian |
| 18:15.17 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 18:15.25 | Linuxuser-367344 | thanks |
| 18:15.53 | hologram | Linuxuser-367344: debian is the answer to that old question WHERES THE BEEF? |
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| 18:16.16 | justin | sevard: you don't really need an initscript, if you have say, /usr/local/bin/firewall.sh it can be added to /etc/network/interfaces with a pre-up line under eth0 or such |
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| 18:16.30 | Linuxuser-367344 | I hope your installation is better than ubuntu and sabayon |
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| 18:16.39 | Bushmills | sevard: ipkungfu would be a script alternative |
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| 18:16.59 | abrotman | Firefishe: ? |
| 18:17.13 | Linuxuser-367344 | I get screen out of range all the time and spend hours with xserver.conf and getting no where |
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| 18:17.38 | Linuxuser-367344 | do you do a network install? |
| 18:17.40 | chops | Linuxuser-367344: If you're having a specific problem with a Debian installation, we may be able to help you |
| 18:17.42 | jetscreamer | !tell Linuxuser-367344 -about hwinfo |
| 18:17.43 | hologram | Linuxuser-367344: do you know the specs for your monitor? |
| 18:17.45 | Firefishe | abrotman: I had lost my Debian menu listing. It turns out it was in ~/.config/menus. I killed that directory, and all was well again. |
| 18:17.56 | Firefishe | in KDE |
| 18:17.59 | Linuxuser-367344 | yes |
| 18:18.06 | Bushmills | Linuxuser-367344: vsync and hsync parameters are the ones mostly responsible |
| 18:18.09 | cahoot | does xorg even need a conf now? |
| 18:18.15 | _ericb | good afternoon. Since yesterday, when I start totem I have an error 'can't create mcop directory'. I checked my home directory, everything is writable (I chowned everything to my user). The .mcop directory is writable. I don't really understand why |
| 18:18.16 | Linuxuser-367344 | not installing Debian just at the moment |
| 18:18.20 | winther | I just reinstalled debian to get into stable. If I want to use a testing package from time to time, is it possible to add the testing brunch to the sources.list, but to favour stable over testing with pinning? |
| 18:18.28 | chops | Bushmills, Linuxuser-367344: vsync and hsync settings are almost never required in modern installations |
| 18:18.31 | Bushmills | HorizSync VertRefresh |
| 18:18.33 | jetscreamer | yes winther |
| 18:18.40 | winther | great. Thanks jetscreamer |
| 18:18.42 | chops | winther: Much preferable to use backports |
| 18:18.47 | Bushmills | chops: depends whether DPMS or such is given |
| 18:18.53 | Linuxuser-367344 | SuSE installs perfect for me everytime |
| 18:18.55 | Bushmills | and whether the monitor supports it |
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| 18:19.04 | winther | chops: I will google backports |
| 18:19.05 | Linuxuser-367344 | not tried Debian but I will |
| 18:19.09 | chops | winther: If you do what you describe, you'll wind up with a testing libc6 (and other deps) and people here will get mad at you when you ask for help |
| 18:19.10 | jetscreamer | !tell root -about root |
| 18:19.16 | hologram | heh |
| 18:19.19 | Firefishe | Linuxuser-367344: apt-get my just get you to switch ;) |
| 18:19.28 | Firefishe | my=may |
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| 18:19.52 | Linuxuser-367344 | so, is therea network install, mini iso etc? |
| 18:19.54 | jetscreamer | !tell winther -about backports |
| 18:19.57 | jetscreamer | yes Linuxuser-367344 |
| 18:19.59 | winther | chops: Ok, thanks |
| 18:20.01 | Linuxuser-367344 | cool |
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| 18:20.14 | Linuxuser-367344 | I suppose you have a website too! |
| 18:20.16 | Linuxuser-367344 | :) |
| 18:20.51 | Linuxuser-367344 | ip address, repo is that all needed? |
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| 18:20.56 | Timo | Hi. |
| 18:21.06 | Timo | how can i setup my FQDN in debian lenny |
| 18:21.09 | Timo | from terminal |
| 18:21.14 | chops | !tell Timo about hostname |
| 18:21.37 | Timo | thanks :-) |
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| 18:24.59 | jetscreamer | debian.org |
| 18:25.04 | jetscreamer | !sources.list |
| 18:25.04 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:25.07 | jetscreamer | !mirrors |
| 18:25.07 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 18:27.20 | debian-is-me | how do I give everyone acess to an mounted partition? |
| 18:27.32 | chops | debian-is-me: What FS? |
| 18:27.40 | jetscreamer | dpkg sources.list is =~ s/<apt-spy>// |
| 18:27.41 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i didn't have anything called 'sources.list is' to modify |
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| 18:27.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg sources.list is =~s/<apt-spy>// |
| 18:27.52 | dpkg | ...but sources.list is already something else... |
| 18:27.55 | debian-is-me | ntfs... |
| 18:28.03 | jetscreamer | idea |
| 18:28.07 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 18:28.08 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:28.22 | chops | debian-is-me: "change the uid" in that line above is what you want |
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| 18:28.47 | jetscreamer | no idea how to edit that factoid that is |
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| 18:29.02 | danf_1979 | does somebody have problems with matroska (mkv) video files? Part of the screen is "blue", I can't see the whole movie on the screen. This happens with all matroska files, every video player, xine, vlc, kaffeine, mplayer, etc |
| 18:29.04 | debian-is-me | where is fstab? |
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| 18:29.13 | jetscreamer | that line gives the cdrom group access i think |
| 18:29.17 | jetscreamer | /etc/fstab |
| 18:29.27 | chops | danf_1979: Intel driver? |
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| 18:29.46 | chops | danf_1979: Also, where are you getting your codec? |
| 18:30.29 | danf_1979 | chops: voodoo 3, I use just official repos, and w32codecs from mplayer site... |
| 18:30.47 | chops | danf_1979: Do videos with other codecs play correctly? |
| 18:30.55 | danf_1979 | chops: yes :( |
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| 18:31.19 | rockets_ | does the netinst cd have a gui installer? |
| 18:31.30 | debian-is-me | my uname is debian, what should uid be? |
| 18:31.31 | chops | danf_1979: I'd talk to the people who packaged the codecs, then... my feeling is that you may be SOL, unfortunately :-( |
| 18:31.42 | Eulex | rockets_, yes, enter installgui at the prompt |
| 18:31.54 | chops | danf_1979: But if they recently updated that codec or something then maybe you can roll back and/or they can talk to the codec vendor |
| 18:31.59 | danf_1979 | uhm, yeah chops, I'll do that |
| 18:32.01 | nollidj | debian-is-me: your uid can be found in /etc/passwd as the first entry on the same line as that of your username |
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| 18:32.08 | chops | danf_1979: Closed source codecs are unpleasant to deal with |
| 18:32.11 | rockets_ | Eulex, i did expertgui |
| 18:32.15 | jetscreamer | debian-is-me: type id in an exterm |
| 18:32.19 | jetscreamer | err xterm |
| 18:32.21 | Eulex | rockets_, or that. |
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| 18:33.02 | jetscreamer | debian-is-me: the first user created is usually 1000 ... you can use user/group names instead of numbers |
| 18:33.11 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 18:33.57 | rockets_ | im just hoping debian has better raid card support then ubuntu |
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| 18:34.21 | chops | rockets_: There's not likely to be a lot of difference |
| 18:34.38 | rockets_ | chops, ugh. i cant get this raid working, there are driver for redhat and suse |
| 18:34.40 | rockets_ | but im not using that |
| 18:34.51 | chops | rockets_: Closed source kernel module? |
| 18:34.54 | debian-is-me | But there is an better way to mount with all permissions than editing files, I done it before the kernel messed up my disks |
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| 18:35.11 | rockets_ | chops, theres no source afaik |
| 18:35.35 | chops | debian-is-me: If you don't like editing files, Debian may not be for you :-/ |
| 18:35.41 | chops | rockets_: Danger Will Robinson |
| 18:35.57 | jetscreamer | s/Debian/linux/ |
| 18:35.58 | chops | rockets_: You'll have to talk to your vendor, or try to find an OSS driver for your RAID card |
| 18:36.22 | runa | hi i can not read a file from mmst with any program. It works because windows media player does it from windows. this is the mplayer output http://pastebin.com/m5f12f384 |
| 18:36.25 | rockets_ | chops, yeah, im just going to find a distro that supports it |
| 18:36.43 | testi | I don't like editing files either, except .java files :D |
| 18:37.07 | debian-is-me | chops: It is an easyer way... |
| 18:37.24 | debian-is-me | Mount /mnt does the trick for the ntfs, but nor for ext3 |
| 18:38.27 | dkr | runa: try mplayer -v and you might get more info about why the read failed |
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| 18:40.07 | chops | debian-is-me: ext3 is different |
| 18:40.22 | chops | debian-is-me: You cannot globally override permissions like that when you mount an ext3 FS that I know of |
| 18:40.34 | abrotman | you can mount as user no ? |
| 18:40.39 | jetscreamer | yeah you can mount it uid et al |
| 18:40.43 | chops | debian-is-me: It's true, you don't have to edit fstab; you can just use -o when you mount. |
| 18:40.48 | chops | jetscreamer: Yeah? |
| 18:40.50 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 18:40.52 | debian-is-me | thanks |
| 18:40.52 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 18:41.12 | jetscreamer | well iirc... been a while... |
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| 18:41.23 | jetscreamer | jfs>* |
| 18:42.13 | jeward | Okay, I've had a longstanding issue with etcboxes upgraded from sarge's MySQL crashing with InnoDB tables without logging. This latest MySQL package logs when it crashes. It says the crash may be due to corrupt libraries? We do not have the problem on boxes built fresh with etch, only those upgraded from sarge. |
| 18:42.21 | jeward | Can anyone help me figure this out? |
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| 18:42.37 | hell-jack | hey |
| 18:42.47 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:43.39 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48428 |
| 18:43.48 | hell-jack | pls look what is the mistake ? |
| 18:44.10 | Eulex | hell-jack, there is no sid/updates... |
| 18:44.18 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 18:44.25 | Eulex | hell-jack, you should really know that if you intend to run sid. |
| 18:44.30 | abrotman | hhaha |
| 18:44.35 | jetscreamer | no sid security |
| 18:44.39 | jetscreamer | you are sid security |
| 18:44.44 | abrotman | !tell hell-jack about paste |
| 18:44.46 | jetscreamer | be the guard |
| 18:44.46 | abrotman | !tell hell-jack about msg the bot |
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| 18:45.06 | Eulex | hell-jack, security updates when they come go directly into sid. |
| 18:45.07 | abrotman | hell-jack: or bookmark it .. seems oyu'll be needing it a lot |
| 18:45.12 | jeward | http://paste.debian.net/48429 |
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| 18:45.21 | runa | dkr: i do not really understand why it does not read it. it read the output but i can not understand why it does not read it. can u help me? |
| 18:45.28 | jeward | ^Here's the log of my MySQL crash^ |
| 18:45.48 | chops | jeward: You're still running the sarge version of mysql |
| 18:45.50 | jetscreamer | back it up nuke it install etch restore db stuff ? |
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| 18:46.03 | hell-jack | , cant find |
| 18:46.04 | jetscreamer | jeward: listen to chops |
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| 18:46.11 | hell-jack | the package for ipw4965 |
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| 18:46.24 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: do you have contrib non-free ? |
| 18:46.29 | jeward | chops: How? I've purged and reinstalled it? |
| 18:46.47 | Eulex | hell-jack, there is no ipw4965. the driver is called iwl4965. |
| 18:46.55 | runa | the pastebin is http://pastebin.com/m4cb56e5b |
| 18:47.05 | sevard | justin are you still around? |
| 18:47.33 | hell-jack | ok |
| 18:47.38 | justin | sevard: hi |
| 18:47.42 | jetscreamer | runa your paste isn't coming up for me |
| 18:47.44 | chops | jeward: You tell me -- I upgraded sarge->etch and my mysql got upgraded :-). Can you pastebin 'dpkg -l mysql' and 'sudo which mysqld'? |
| 18:47.45 | bucketfan99 | So i ran an update && upgrade last week and now my evolution and iceweasel can't hit SSL sites |
| 18:47.51 | jetscreamer | ah tere it is |
| 18:47.52 | Eulex | hell-jack, and it's included in debian 2.6.23 kernels and later |
| 18:47.53 | bucketfan99 | anyone else having this problem ? |
| 18:48.01 | chops | bucketfan99: Try dist-upgrade? |
| 18:48.04 | bucketfan99 | I get: SSL unavialable |
| 18:48.13 | chops | bucketfan99: Check the BTS? |
| 18:48.22 | bucketfan99 | I did. |
| 18:48.24 | bucketfan99 | what's a bts ? |
| 18:48.25 | hell-jack | Eulex |
| 18:48.32 | chops | !tell bucketfan99 about bts |
| 18:48.34 | Eulex | !btssmite bucketfan99 |
| 18:48.35 | hell-jack | i am searching for firmware |
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| 18:48.44 | jetscreamer | runa: i thought it was mms:// not mmst:// .. is mmst valid? |
| 18:48.48 | Eulex | hell-jack, firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 18:48.54 | hell-jack | firmware of iwl 4965 |
| 18:48.57 | hell-jack | yeah |
| 18:49.03 | sevard | justin: so, following your advice I stopped using aptitude interactivly. I installed ipkungfu using "aptitude install ipkungfu" which went ahead and installed iproute, iproute-doc, and libatm1. I've been configuring ipkungfu, playing around in its conf files, and noticed I didn't have screen. So, I did a "aptitude install screen" and it went and installed screen while removing ipkungfu, iproute, iproute-doc, and libatm1. What is the deal? |
| 18:49.03 | runa | i think yes |
| 18:49.06 | jeward | chops: http://paste.debian.net/48430 |
| 18:49.18 | jetscreamer | runa: other than that, beyond me |
| 18:49.19 | jeward | chops: Sure says sarge! |
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| 18:49.24 | justin | sevard: heh, that sounds really messed up |
| 18:49.26 | chops | jeward: How did you upgrade sarge->etch? |
| 18:49.32 | hell-jack | my repo idoesnot include |
| 18:49.34 | hell-jack | off |
| 18:49.45 | jeward | chops: I changed sources.list, installed the new kernel and then dist-upgrade. |
| 18:49.53 | bucketfan99 | i am running testing |
| 18:49.53 | hell-jack | Eulex |
| 18:50.00 | chops | !tell jeward about sarge->etch |
| 18:50.11 | bucketfan99 | i will go look then.. thanks |
| 18:50.11 | hell-jack | Eulex, sorry my repo doesnot include iwlwifi |
| 18:50.15 | hell-jack | what can i do |
| 18:50.15 | sevard | justin: as a slackware user migrating to debian because of "wow look package managers use them!" and having the package manager remove applications I installed because I wanted them is like of like switching from linux to windows me. |
| 18:50.15 | chops | jeward: Unfortunately that's not sufficient for upgrading to etch. You may have some steps still to do. |
| 18:50.36 | runa | jetscreamer i am sure it is valid because on windows with windows media player it works. |
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| 18:50.38 | jeward | chops: Okay, reading. |
| 18:50.49 | justin | sevard: you can try using apt-get in place of aptitude.. which won't do that, mostly because apt-get doesn't have that feature |
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| 18:51.04 | jeward | chops: This would explain sarge mysql-server remaining? |
| 18:51.08 | Eulex | hell-jack, you're on etch? |
| 18:51.18 | bucketfan99 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462642 |
| 18:51.22 | hell-jack | o sorry i was on etch |
| 18:51.23 | ferret_0567 | but, I'm trying to diagnose this problem while building Linux 2.6.24 on Debian Lenny (testing) out of a packaged kernel source tree that I made myself: |
| 18:51.25 | bucketfan99 | Looks like that is the bug, but no updates sadly |
| 18:51.27 | ferret_0567 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.27 | ferret_0567 | opps |
| 18:51.27 | hell-jack | i change to lenny :D |
| 18:51.27 | justin | sevard: aptitude is not supposed to do that at all though, no idea why it would be doing that, I'd definitely file a bug against it |
| 18:51.36 | Eulex | hell-jack, lenny has it. |
| 18:51.36 | hell-jack | after |
| 18:51.37 | sevard | fucking ridiculus. |
| 18:51.49 | jetscreamer | let me guess runaway loop, modules.dep |
| 18:51.53 | hell-jack | installing this package is modprobe mac80211 enough |
| 18:51.59 | hell-jack | my kernel version 2.6.24 |
| 18:52.10 | ServerSide | do someone know how can I get wifi again? I updated my kernel to 2.6.24, but ipw3945 fucked up, I m-a a-i ipw3945 but this one have prob with building ipw3945-source |
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| 18:52.40 | cahoot | iwl is included in kernel |
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| 18:52.53 | Eulex | sevard, a package manager only removes packages if you want it to install packages that _conflict_ with the ones your trying to install. that is, it wouldn't install anyway. |
| 18:53.07 | Eulex | *wouldn't work |
| 18:53.21 | cahoot | ServerSide: you can't revert to ipw |
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| 18:53.32 | justin | sevard: my guess is you might have hit something a while ago in aptitude which messed up the package states |
| 18:53.51 | ServerSide | cahoot: ? |
| 18:54.02 | cahoot | ServerSide: get the new firmware and start using iwl3945 |
| 18:54.25 | ServerSide | oh, ok |
| 18:54.31 | ServerSide | that's what i thought |
| 18:54.40 | ServerSide | i installed firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 18:55.24 | ServerSide | But what should I do now? |
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| 18:56.18 | cahoot | ServerSide: check z25_persistent-network.rules - make sure it loads iwl3945 not ipw... |
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| 18:57.09 | ServerSide | cahoot: hoy, z25_persistent-network.rules ? |
| 18:57.19 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 18:57.19 | dpkg | [z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 18:57.23 | ServerSide | what kind of thing is that?^^ |
| 18:57.33 | jetscreamer | no comment |
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| 18:57.49 | chops | jeward: It would |
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| 18:58.26 | edthefox | sevard: does slackware have a netinstall cd? |
| 18:58.30 | nollidj | are there any interfaces for NetworkManager besides tray applets? |
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| 18:58.43 | chops | nollidj: Better to edit /etc/network/interfaces directly |
| 18:58.43 | jeward | chops: My mistake, that box still IS sarge. |
| 18:58.50 | nollidj | chops: i realize, but i'm still curious |
| 18:58.54 | chops | jeward: Completely sarge? No etch at all? |
| 18:59.00 | jeward | chops: Correct. |
| 18:59.08 | cleo | hllo |
| 18:59.23 | jeward | chops: I sometimes get confused with 220+ boxes all named kwxxx. |
| 18:59.27 | jeward | :) |
| 18:59.27 | nollidj | i usually rip networkmanager out of new setups, but i'm curious as to whether there are any non-stupid interfaces for it |
| 18:59.32 | chops | jeward: You know how to fix that, don't you? :-) |
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| 18:59.46 | chops | nollidj: nano /etc/network/interfaces is the least stupid interface by far :-) |
| 19:00.10 | chops | jeward: I'm not sure what to tell you, then... I've never used innodb. Of course, you could always cross your fingers and upgrade to etch... |
| 19:00.12 | nollidj | chops: i agree, but i'm just curious! i have no desire to use networkmanager, but i'm posing the question anyway |
| 19:00.15 | jeward | chops: Well, we've got etch upgrades on hold until we can figure out why the sarge->etch upgraded boxes' MySQL is crashing without logging on InnoDB tables. |
| 19:00.32 | abrotman | i can make a few guesses ... :) |
| 19:00.34 | chops | jeward: But... if the sarge boxes are _also_ crashing on innodb tables... |
| 19:00.54 | jeward | chops: I thought the latest etch mysql-server package had changed something and started to log where none had before, but alas, I was wrong. :( |
| 19:01.02 | ServerSide | cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/891560 that's my z25 |
| 19:01.14 | ServerSide | but .. i don't see where i can change ipw to iwl |
| 19:01.14 | jeward | chops: The sarge boxes crash far less and they log when they crash. |
| 19:01.38 | ServerSide | maybe the address |
| 19:01.51 | ServerSide | ? |
| 19:02.09 | chops | jeward: You can always compile with debugging symbols on a dev server, run the DB server under a debugger in the foreground, and examine the stack trace when it crashes |
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| 19:03.27 | jeward | chops: Is there a procedure for that documented anywhere? |
| 19:03.59 | jeward | chops: We ran mysqld under screen on one server for a long time, but of course, it wouldn't crash under screen. |
| 19:04.33 | chops | jeward: I have curlftpfs running the foreground in a 'screen' session under valgrind on a production server, because it was horribly unstable _except_ when run under valgrind |
| 19:04.38 | chops | jeward: :-( :-( :-( |
| 19:05.12 | chops | jeward: To get it with debug symbols, apt-get source and then DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip" dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:05.27 | chops | jeward: Running it in the foreground under gdb I'm betting you can figure out :-) |
| 19:05.29 | expose | I encrypted a harddisk with the debian installer. Now i want to use it in another installation. What to do/use? |
| 19:05.55 | jeward | chops: It's not straightforward certainly. The mysqld startup is quite complicated. |
| 19:06.03 | jeward | chops: Especially on debian. |
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| 19:07.15 | natefoo | sooo... is it now impossible to avoid creating a regular user during the (lenny) install? |
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| 19:08.42 | cleo | i have Problem with my touch pad |
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| 19:10.47 | jetscreamer | i thought it asked you if you wanted to create one, natefoo |
| 19:11.02 | ServerSide | cahoot: you have some ideas? |
| 19:11.15 | natefoo | jetscreamer: it used to, now it just asks me what i'd like to call it. =/ |
| 19:11.42 | natefoo | and then i used to be able to get out of it by backing out to the installer's main menu and restarting the user creation step. |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | why would you want to avoid it ? |
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| 19:12.08 | natefoo | abrotman: i use network services to provide user accounts. |
| 19:12.21 | natefoo | creating a local account is just a nuisance i have to delete after installation. |
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| 19:12.41 | petemc | natefoo: tried the expert install? |
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| 19:13.04 | natefoo | petemc: i recalled that such i thing existed but i couldn't figure out how to get in to it. |
| 19:13.32 | abrotman | natefoo: well .. after it's installed .. use deluser ? |
| 19:13.32 | petemc | theres help at the boot prompt |
| 19:13.37 | natefoo | ah just 'expert' at the boot prompt. |
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| 19:14.12 | natefoo | abrotman: yeah, and you have to remove it from the extra groups in /etc/group as well... and remove the homedir... i mean it's not hard, just annoying when i don't need it. |
| 19:14.22 | cahoot | ServerSide: remove the lines regarding eth2 |
| 19:14.25 | natefoo | i'll try expert mode, thanks petemc. |
| 19:14.52 | ServerSide | remove ? ok |
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| 19:15.17 | cahoot | ServerSide: then just modprobe iwl3945 for now - check dmesg for complaints about firmware |
| 19:16.25 | SpeedyG | hm, why does debian FIRST try to enable network, and THEN try to install pcmcia packages on my craptop ? :D |
| 19:16.47 | SpeedyG | should be other way around to work :D |
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| 19:17.42 | techouse | how do i expand my debian partition? fdisk? |
| 19:17.53 | SpeedyG | techouse: what FS ? |
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| 19:18.51 | techouse | ext3 |
| 19:19.07 | SpeedyG | techouse: in that case 'not' iirc |
| 19:19.44 | techouse | crap...how then? |
| 19:19.47 | the_empty | I think gparted can expand an ext3 partition |
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| 19:20.04 | the_empty | obviously back it up first |
| 19:20.16 | SpeedyG | the_empty: iirc, I tried to resize an ext* partition once, but couldnt |
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| 19:20.52 | SpeedyG | techouse: depends on your reason to resize |
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| 19:21.10 | SpeedyG | if it's lack of filespace, you could move a huge dir to a new partition or somth |
| 19:21.17 | techouse | i need some 5 gigs more |
| 19:21.18 | techouse | :D |
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| 19:21.25 | techouse | nope |
| 19:21.28 | techouse | i can't |
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| 19:21.37 | techouse | i need to build a live debian |
| 19:21.41 | the_empty | SpeedyG, http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/features.shtml seems to indicate parted can do it, and I have done so... The start must stay the same though |
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| 19:21.58 | techouse | already tried that on a ntfs part and it didn't work |
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| 19:22.01 | toad_ | anyone use LVM mirror support? does it detect corruption automatically? |
| 19:22.01 | SpeedyG | the_empty: hm, maybe it was an ext2 partition then |
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| 19:22.35 | the_empty | SpeedyG, 2 and 3 are nearly the same, only difference is journaling I believe |
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| 19:22.53 | the_empty | I'd expect anything that worked on 3 to work on 2 |
| 19:22.57 | SpeedyG | the_empty: i've tried once.. but it didnt work.. resulted in a reinstall .. so .. no idea how you've done it :) |
| 19:23.23 | the_empty | SpeedyG, pretty sure it was gparted on a live rescue cd |
| 19:23.24 | untitled | hi! where does inetd start from in debian? it isn't listed in /etc/init.d, not in rc.local... |
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| 19:23.49 | abrotman | untitled: grep inetd /etc/init.d/* ? |
| 19:23.51 | acemi | untitled: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
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| 19:24.05 | untitled | oh... |
| 19:24.13 | untitled | openbsd :) thanks |
| 19:24.16 | the_empty | untitled, inetd is listed in /etc/init.d if it is installed |
| 19:24.41 | cesar_CR | hi guys.... |
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| 19:24.44 | untitled | didn't know it starts with openbsd) |
| 19:24.53 | the_empty | untitled, ah, yeah, sorry was looking at an ancient woody box |
| 19:24.55 | chops | untitled: It didn't until somewhat recently |
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| 19:25.23 | cesar_CR | anybody has installed debian on a Sun over console ??? is it posible ??? |
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| 19:26.47 | dondelelcaro | cesar_CR: yes, it's possible. The installation guide even discusses it. |
| 19:27.13 | JarJarBinks | Can I specify that a specific netcard should be named eth1 (by mac addr or similar). |
| 19:27.37 | cesar_CR | dondelelcaro, thanks ... I am having some problems... |
| 19:27.58 | dkr | JarJarBinks: yes, via kernel module options when the module is loaded |
| 19:28.08 | JarJarBinks | dkr: thank you |
| 19:28.15 | cahoot | JarJarBinks: try the info in /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:28.24 | cesar_CR | the console is white after hitting ENTER for install dondelelcaro .... ??? and I do not know what to do ... |
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| 19:28.35 | JarJarBinks | cahoot: thanks |
| 19:29.02 | JarJarBinks | that's exactly what i want |
| 19:29.05 | JarJarBinks | :) |
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| 19:29.58 | Weedy|Werk | lenny with 2.6.24-1-686, iwl3945: Could not read microcode: -2 i did install firmware-iwlwifi, |
| 19:30.12 | techouse | i hope 4.8 GB will be enough for a live system make |
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| 19:31.58 | natefoo | so expert mode worked for allowing me to avoid creating a local user. |
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| 19:32.23 | natefoo | although i dunno if it's more annoying to have to run through all the extra expert mode stuff, or delete the local user after installation. ;D |
| 19:33.27 | petemc | :) |
| 19:33.35 | petemc | probably the former |
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| 19:34.06 | petemc | there si a way to switch to expert mode for some parts of the installer |
| 19:34.14 | hark | you could hit escape at that time when in normal mode to enter expert mode and skip the user creation step |
| 19:34.24 | abrotman | hark: he said it doesn't work anymore |
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| 19:35.32 | hark | ah, with the etch installer? |
| 19:35.46 | natefoo | lenny. |
| 19:35.50 | natefoo | yeah, i used to do just that, hark. |
| 19:35.57 | natefoo | now you can't avoid it. |
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| 19:36.14 | natefoo | and i did think you could switch to expert inside the installer, but if you can, i'm not sure how. |
| 19:36.15 | expose | I encrypted a partition with the debian installer. Now i want to use it in another debian installation. What to do/use? |
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| 19:37.49 | abrotman | natefoo: also .. you might want to file a wishlist bug against the devel installer |
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| 19:41.01 | justin | expose: cryptsetup, /etc/crypttab |
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| 19:41.30 | natefoo | abrotman: to allow for the no local user option in the basic installer? |
| 19:41.34 | natefoo | i assume it was intentionally removed. |
| 19:41.41 | expose | justin: thanks |
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| 19:49.53 | SpeedyG | hm, whats the name of that update-check-program-thingy thats by default in gnome/debian ? |
| 19:50.02 | SpeedyG | is that synaptic, or is it something else ? |
| 19:50.58 | Weedy|Werk | synaptic |
| 19:51.15 | Weedy|Werk | theres aptitude/apt-get on commandline |
| 19:51.31 | Trollinator | someone should really make a front-end for aptitude. |
| 19:51.42 | Daviey | Trollinator: there is! |
| 19:51.46 | Daviey | t's ncurses |
| 19:51.48 | Daviey | i |
| 19:51.52 | Trollinator | for X. |
| 19:52.07 | Daviey | bah, X is for people that can't handle real life |
| 19:52.47 | SpeedyG | hm, i'm installing a laptop with X for my mum :p |
| 19:54.11 | karme | Trollinator: xterm? ;-) |
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| 19:54.47 | Trollinator | i can only hope you're not trying to be funny :p |
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| 19:55.17 | RedShift | what was that program again which you could control the different runlevels with? |
| 19:55.32 | SpeedyG | RedShift: update-rc.d ? |
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| 19:55.45 | RedShift | no |
| 19:55.51 | SpeedyG | or init ? |
| 19:55.54 | Trollinator | init? |
| 19:56.04 | RedShift | no |
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| 19:56.08 | dkr | telinit? |
| 19:56.09 | RedShift | it was an ncurses program |
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| 19:56.39 | dkr | sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:56.48 | goldyfruit | hi |
| 19:57.02 | RedShift | yes I think that's it |
| 19:57.25 | dkr | (found it with aptitude search sysv: SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the termin |
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| 19:58.12 | sandsmark | how can I get the bzImage of a kernel in debian? |
| 19:58.55 | dkr | sandsmark: look in /boot |
| 19:59.09 | dkr | vmlinuz* |
| 19:59.35 | sandsmark | dkr: that's just vmlinuz |
| 19:59.41 | sandsmark | afaik, there's quite a difference |
| 20:00.00 | dkr | thought it was just q naming issue, doesn't the z mean bzipped? |
| 20:00.04 | sandsmark | no |
| 20:00.15 | sandsmark | it means "big zImage" |
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| 20:00.32 | duncanm | hello, is there a guide on how to patch a debian package? |
| 20:00.40 | sandsmark | bzimage contains bootsect.o + setup.o + misc.o + piggy.o, where piggy.o contains the vmlinuz |
| 20:01.25 | dkr | sandsmark: install source packages and "make bzImage" yourself? |
| 20:01.46 | sandsmark | dkr: that's what I'm going to do, but I hoped there was an easier solution |
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| 20:02.14 | dkr | !source |
| 20:02.14 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us - uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 20:02.18 | sandsmark | last time I tried, the .config provided differed from the one the kernel needed |
| 20:02.18 | chops | sandsmark: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:02.29 | sandsmark | chops: make a new firmware for a compaq evo t20 |
| 20:02.45 | chops | sandsmark: ... without compiling your own kernel? |
| 20:02.51 | sandsmark | chops: yes |
| 20:03.02 | dkr | duncanm: that factoid from dpkg was for you, btw |
| 20:03.04 | sandsmark | chops: I want it to be easily maintainable |
| 20:03.21 | duncanm | dkr: thank you |
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| 20:04.29 | dkr | duncanm: obviously you do your patching before the debuild step. :) |
| 20:04.29 | chops | sandsmark: Hm... I also thought vmlinuz was a bzImage. It also sounds like you're saying bzImage is a _superset_ of vmlinuz, which doesn't make sense to me. |
| 20:04.31 | lantius | Hello, I think I delete /usr/sbin/update-grub script while I was trying to do something in the system... do you know if I can get this script from some place? |
| 20:04.34 | sandsmark | chops: it is |
| 20:04.41 | simonrvn | it is |
| 20:05.08 | duncanm | dkr: do i not put in a patch in the debian/patches directory and update the series file? |
| 20:05.11 | abrotman | lantius: reinstall grub |
| 20:05.19 | dkr | lantius: aptitude reinstall grub |
| 20:05.27 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:05.33 | dkr | duncanm: oh yeah,that makes more sense |
| 20:05.39 | chops | sandsmark, simonrvn: Huh. Back when I compiled my own vanilla kernels, I always remember renaming bzImage to vmlinuz. In any case, I haven't kept up with boot-time kernel issues, so I'll shut up now :-). |
| 20:05.44 | dkr | duncanm: still learning debian ways myself. :) |
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| 20:06.10 | simonrvn | chops: yeh |
| 20:06.11 | sandsmark | chops: that's because both can be executed, and will run happily, afaik |
| 20:09.56 | sandsmark | how can I modify the debian build-scripts to "make bzImage" instead of what they do by default? |
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| 20:10.21 | sandsmark | the "rules" file seemingly only calls a rather messy python script |
| 20:10.30 | abrotman | uhm .. it is bzimage isn't it ? |
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| 20:11.10 | sandsmark | abrotman: no? |
| 20:11.43 | sandsmark | noone? |
| 20:11.57 | abrotman | sandsmark: the make-kpkg man page doesn't discuss this at all ? |
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| 20:12.12 | Frenod | Hi, hey we're seem to exceptional amount of apache processes running on one of our server, with what command can I see if there is some ip trying flood our server? |
| 20:12.54 | sandsmark | abrotman: I was trying to use the manual build-process the bot talked about, because I wanted a as-debian-vanilla-as-possible kernel |
| 20:13.10 | sandsmark | I will look into make-kpkg |
| 20:13.14 | acemi | Frenod: /var/log/apache2/access... and error files |
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| 20:13.53 | Frenod | acemi: access.log is not running, i should reboot the server for it |
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| 20:14.29 | acemi | Frenod: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart is OK |
| 20:14.50 | acemi | after changinf the config file |
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| 20:15.18 | Frenod | acemi? |
| 20:15.24 | Frenod | woot |
| 20:15.47 | Frenod | mm.. no no I asked from the apache dev team and they said this might happen every now and then |
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| 20:16.06 | Frenod | I would have to reboot the whole server, but my uptime is over 400 so its not gonna happen :) |
| 20:16.15 | grendal_prime | ok got a file..located on a Network attached storage (NAS) we like to call it. I need to rsync a file on that nas to another nas im reaching through a vpn. Im trying to use rsync with this..but he file is almost 2 gigs in size (not quite 1.7 or so) It seems to be failing on the on the enumerating phaze (when its locating file differences) |
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| 20:17.14 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i'm not sure rsync is the best there .. if it doens't exist on the other end .. just copy it |
| 20:17.37 | grendal_prime | can i run the daemon on both sides so that each box can hash the file in its local network, that way it doesnt have to do a crapload of work through the somewhat flakey msvpn? |
| 20:17.43 | grendal_prime | well it does exist on the other end |
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| 20:18.21 | chops | grendal_prime: rsync should be able to handle files >= 2 GB... what OS and version are you using on both ends? |
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| 20:18.38 | grendal_prime | it was copied at one point..now i need it syncned..(we are trying to speed this process up as the file changes very little(mssql backup file) |
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| 20:18.48 | chops | grendal_prime: Flaky MSVPN? |
| 20:18.55 | chops | grendal_prime: That might be your problem right there :-) |
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| 20:19.04 | Vusal1981 | hi |
| 20:19.07 | grendal_prime | ya im thinking that is the case as well. |
| 20:19.48 | chops | grendal_prime: You might implement a reliable tunnel atop the flaky VPN layer using tun/tap :-) |
| 20:19.49 | chops | grendal_prime: IPoIPoIP :-) |
| 20:19.50 | grendal_prime | but that is the thing...is there some way for it to create the hash on both ends...without..haveing... |
| 20:20.03 | chops | grendal_prime: That's what rsync does, I believe |
| 20:20.04 | grendal_prime | well chops i could put in openvpn thats not a problem we use that alot |
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| 20:20.19 | wickedwackguy | hi |
| 20:20.45 | grendal_prime | but a vpn inside of a vpn that is not all that reliable..seems like a waist of time |
| 20:20.58 | wickedwackguy | can it be that linux and/or debian can not recognize my SCSI card? |
| 20:21.05 | chops | wickedwackguy: Easily possible |
| 20:21.13 | chops | grendal_prime: I was mostly joking about the reliable tunnel |
| 20:21.14 | wickedwackguy | ok thought so |
| 20:21.23 | wickedwackguy | •chops• thnx |
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| 20:21.49 | creichen | Hi! Is there an Eclipse 3.3 package for sid available from anywhere? I couldn't even find anything on apt-get.org. |
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| 20:21.57 | wickedwackguy | because while booting a live system it takes avoer an hour and it is still in the recognition of hardware |
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| 20:22.54 | wickedwackguy | and would anybody happen to know whats up with dream linux? |
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| 20:23.54 | wickedwackguy | cant find anything about them and thier project. looks like its on hold or somthing |
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| 20:27.36 | winther | I just created a set of rules for IPTables. I told IPtables to drop all incoming with some exceptions. It is working fine except that it now takes much lnger to connect to the server. SSH for example needs about 5 secounds to give me the login. Does anybody know why? This is the config: http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/winther/iptables.tiff |
| 20:27.40 | napo | anyone know how to get rid of the master boot record? |
| 20:27.49 | ross` | can someone give me a wget link to the newest netinstall of debian |
| 20:27.52 | asperon | hi guys, i am running postfix and cyrus on my box and relaying smtp via my isp for outgoing, now i want to enable smtp to allow me to send mail via my server from my phone, what do i need to do to configure it securly? |
| 20:28.13 | axewell | how can i force a screen windows to die? |
| 20:28.26 | ross` | axewell: ctrl+a k |
| 20:28.31 | ross` | hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda |
| 20:28.35 | Frenod | Is there a simple way to see if you're getting DDOSed? |
| 20:28.39 | ross` | oops wtf |
| 20:28.50 | axewell | ross`: lovely, ty :) |
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| 20:29.00 | ross` | don'tdo the second one |
| 20:29.02 | ross` | do the first one |
| 20:29.11 | ross` | can someone give me a wget link to the newest netinstall of debian |
| 20:29.22 | jetscreamer | the webpage can |
| 20:29.25 | Daviey | http://google.co.uk |
| 20:29.27 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 20:29.27 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
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| 20:29.42 | jetscreamer | and you can even have the satisfaction of doing it yourself!!! |
| 20:30.00 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:30.29 | jetscreamer | wget -c btw |
| 20:30.34 | napo | anyone know how i can remove xp from the mbr? |
| 20:30.51 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 ? |
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| 20:31.05 | jetscreamer | or hdwhatever |
| 20:31.08 | alekz | Hi, I just can't spoof my ident using oidentd, here is my .conf file can someone give me a hand? Thanks http://alekz.pastebin.com/m3f6fd619 |
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| 20:32.45 | Zharf | meh, something keeps wiping my resolv.conf <.< |
| 20:33.09 | dimir | dhcp? |
| 20:33.43 | Zharf | I get a proper resolv.conf from dhcp something when I connect to the wlan but after a while it gets emptied :< |
| 20:34.26 | chops | Zharf: Are you still connected to the WLAN when that happens? Is it maybe getting erased when your DHCP connection goes down? |
| 20:34.39 | chops | s/DHCP connection goes down/DHCP lease expires and can't be renewed/ |
| 20:36.01 | Zharf | chops, connection works fine |
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| 20:36.18 | Zharf | I just tried to shut down all networking and kill all dhclients and reconnect |
| 20:36.27 | Zharf | we'll see if it still does it |
| 20:37.08 | chops | Zharf: Check the timestamp on resolv.conf, see if it's some particular number of minutes after you connect or every hour on the hour or something... |
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| 20:37.22 | chops | Zharf: Check system log |
| 20:37.35 | chops | Zharf: You can always mark it immutable and see if anything starts logging errors to syslog :-) |
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| 20:38.39 | duncanm | what's the command for finding out which version of a dpkg is installed? (the equivalent of rpm -qi <package name>) |
| 20:38.54 | duncanm | i thought it was apt-cache show <package name>, but that's not it |
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| 20:39.07 | Zharf | dpkg -l "package name" perhaps? |
| 20:39.07 | dpkg | ii "package name" perhaps 2.5-4 zharf's private porn collection |
| 20:39.11 | Zharf | eheh |
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| 20:40.57 | chops | duncanm: 'apt-cache policy <package name>' does show you what version is installed, along with a bit more information. 'dpkg -l' is a more exact equivalent to 'rpm -q'... IIRC 'rpm -qi' is pretty analagous to 'apt-cache show', though it's been quite a while. |
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| 20:41.13 | axewell | apt-get install pornview ! |
| 20:41.23 | alekz | Hi, I just can't spoof my ident using oidentd, here is my .conf file can someone give me a hand? Thanks http://alekz.pastebin.com/m3f6fd619 |
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| 20:41.54 | phyburn | to turn on IP Forwarding I just need to uncomment one line in /etc/sysctl right? |
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| 20:45.12 | Tramp_ | phyburn: ... and run sysctl with the appropriate options |
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| 20:45.50 | phyburn | Tramp_, |
| 20:45.50 | phyburn | sysctl -p right? |
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| 20:46.26 | debian_ | I want to stream movies from my ssh server... Any suggestions how this can be acomplished? I want to use vlc at client side, |
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| 20:46.39 | Tramp_ | phyburn: right. |
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| 20:47.02 | whitman | debian_, stream how? |
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| 20:47.18 | dkr | debian_: just serve via http? |
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| 20:49.05 | debian_ | anyway |
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| 20:49.19 | axewell | noway |
| 20:49.22 | debian_ | so My users can see it with vlc |
| 20:50.14 | debian_ | It can be udp, rtp, http, shttp, ftp, mms |
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| 20:50.21 | debian_ | or rtsp |
| 20:50.40 | chops | debian_: Serve them with http is going to be by far the simplest way |
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| 20:51.09 | debian_ | So how do I make apache use an port in the 6000 range? |
| 20:51.28 | abrotman | httpd.apache.org |
| 20:52.31 | Trewas | debian_: this works with mplayer but seeking is not possible: ssh some_host cat /some/video.avi | mplayer - |
| 20:53.20 | phyburn | Tramp_, hmm anything else what might be causing my PPTP VPN from not returning any request to a host? |
| 20:53.49 | debian_ | My users are windowsers... |
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| 20:55.36 | Tramp_ | phyburn: debugging receipe: tcpdump on both interfaces, then ping. check if (a) echo request comes in and goes out (b) echo reply comes in and goes out |
| 20:55.39 | itchi | About ~/Maildir, should i create that by hand? I though i had need to create this with maildirmake but i dont seems to have that command anymore |
| 20:56.18 | Trewas | debian_: heh, not that then... samba would be easiest for the clients but I guess http also works |
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| 20:57.29 | phyburn | Tramp_, im able to ping other people on the LAN when the host connects. But it wont ping anything outside the network |
| 20:57.46 | phyburn | Tramp_, Im watching my firewall logs and I can see all the request going out |
| 20:58.10 | itchi | Well, i will be fine if i do that on the mailserver :-p Sharing home over nfs here |
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| 20:58.33 | itchi | Sudenlty maildirmake appear :-Ã |
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| 20:59.54 | Tramp_ | phyburn: of course you should ping where it "doesn't work", i.e. "inside" to "outside" - whatever that is for you, and tcpdump on the two interfaces involved |
| 21:00.28 | biz | Why does the Debian Eclipse startup script (/usr/bin/eclipse) force the vmarg '-Dgnu.gcj.precompiled.db.path=/var/lib/gcj-4.2/classmap.db', what about using sun java 6? I'm trying to run Eclipse and it fails with: http://baze.de/~biz/files/hs_err_pid20148.log - Any ideas? IS this related? |
| 21:01.10 | jetscreamer | is there an #eclipse ? |
| 21:01.22 | jetscreamer | deemd do |
| 21:01.25 | biz | Yes. |
| 21:01.26 | jetscreamer | err seems |
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| 21:01.47 | biz | But read the error log, seems unrelated to Eclipse itself |
| 21:01.58 | jetscreamer | no idea, just wondering |
| 21:02.13 | biz | More like a Debian packaging thing |
| 21:02.13 | itchi | jetscreamer: See /msg chanserv list *eclipse* |
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| 21:02.49 | jetscreamer | easier to type /join #eclipse and see |
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| 21:03.31 | JoeThomas | Hey, I set a cronjob to run "mplayer /media.mp3" and i view in htop that the process is running and audio is being outputted, except it stops after about 3 seconds, while the media file is 3mins long. Any ideas? |
| 21:03.35 | itchi | jetscreamer: Well, no, much more to type, especially when the first join is wrong, then /window close; try another guess :-p |
| 21:03.59 | itchi | jetscreamer: Some may have a ##* |
| 21:04.58 | itchi | jetscreamer: The search commands are the easiest things to remember :-) |
| 21:05.29 | itchi | at least, focus on the search methods |
| 21:05.37 | itchi | jetscreamer: irssi is that much easier |
| 21:07.53 | lantius | dkr You were right. Thank you ful |
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| 21:08.26 | ross` | i just isntalled debain on a vmware |
| 21:08.32 | ross` | and my password isnt working for root |
| 21:08.37 | ross` | how to do reset it without reinstalling |
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| 21:09.16 | nevyn | change the options to grub for the kernel to be init=/bin/sh |
| 21:09.19 | itchi | ross`: At the grub press e twice then change the line to init=/bin/bash rw then passwd and you're done |
| 21:09.26 | themill | !tell ross` about ifrp |
| 21:09.57 | ross` | ok so step by step here |
| 21:10.02 | ross` | what do i do |
| 21:10.08 | ross` | hit e then e again when grub comes u |
| 21:10.09 | ross` | p |
| 21:10.09 | zamba | my /etc/environment file isn't read upon logon.. what can i do to debug this? |
| 21:10.41 | itchi | ross`: Do /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 21:10.47 | ross` | i read that |
| 21:10.49 | ross` | it isnt helping |
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| 21:11.13 | itchi | ross`: Sure it is |
| 21:11.28 | ross` | i don't get it |
| 21:11.29 | ross` | so |
| 21:11.30 | ross` | so far |
| 21:11.33 | ross` | i hit e |
| 21:11.37 | itchi | ross`: Say what you don't understand |
| 21:11.38 | ross` | and now im editing grub |
| 21:11.39 | ross` | now what |
| 21:11.41 | evo_ | grub -> e for edit -> e for edit -> init=/bin/bash at the end -> b for boot |
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| 21:11.52 | evo_ | then mount -o remount,rw / |
| 21:11.53 | ross` | ok |
| 21:11.56 | evo_ | passwd root |
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| 21:12.20 | ross` | wait |
| 21:12.28 | itchi | btw: i always put that init=/bin/bash rw is that a wrong shortcut? |
| 21:12.30 | ross` | do i hit e the second time on root or e the second time on kernal |
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| 21:13.26 | ross` | which line do i edit |
| 21:13.26 | lrp | hello everyone |
| 21:13.26 | evo_ | what about to test that? ;) if you can etit the bootline to add that init..stuff youre done |
| 21:13.28 | itchi | ross`: On the kernel /vm ... line |
| 21:13.34 | lrp | what program can i use to cut videos ? |
| 21:13.35 | ross` | ok.. |
| 21:13.40 | ross` | wait |
| 21:13.44 | ross` | so not the root line |
| 21:13.47 | jetscreamer | lrp: use avidemux if you're new to it |
| 21:13.51 | jetscreamer | it's in |
| 21:13.52 | ross` | ok |
| 21:13.55 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 21:13.55 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 21:13.58 | ross` | and what do i write now?? |
| 21:14.04 | ross` | im at the end of the kernal line |
| 21:14.06 | ross` | in edit mode |
| 21:14.12 | evo_ | init=/bin/bash at the end |
| 21:14.19 | evo_ | and hit enter |
| 21:14.25 | ross` | ok |
| 21:14.27 | phyburnz | where can I find my computers DNS information? |
| 21:14.27 | itchi | evo_: Is that wrong to add directly rw there? |
| 21:14.36 | ross` | boot kernal? |
| 21:14.41 | itchi | phyburnz: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:14.46 | amphi | phyburnz: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:14.49 | evo_ | dunno, havent tested it yet itchi |
| 21:14.51 | amphi | heh |
| 21:14.54 | ross` | boot kernal? |
| 21:14.55 | phyburnz | thanks guys =p |
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| 21:15.04 | itchi | evo_: It work like expected anyway |
| 21:15.06 | amphi | !kernal |
| 21:15.06 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 21:15.11 | ross` | boot kernal? |
| 21:15.13 | ross` | ??? |
| 21:15.15 | ross` | or what |
| 21:15.18 | ross` | you said hit b |
| 21:15.21 | ross` | what do i hit b on |
| 21:15.26 | evo_ | itchi, good to know. thanks |
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| 21:15.45 | ross` | evo_: ??? |
| 21:15.52 | ross` | where do i press b |
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| 21:15.55 | Federico2 | hi there |
| 21:16.00 | ross` | do i go back to the origional grub screen |
| 21:16.07 | ross` | or do i press b on the kernal line |
| 21:16.24 | Federico2 | Is there a way to find out wich process is using a certain module? |
| 21:16.38 | ross` | grep maybe? |
| 21:16.45 | itchi | ross`: Once you have put that init=... press enter; then b |
| 21:16.55 | ross` | ok |
| 21:16.58 | ross` | what do i do now |
| 21:17.01 | ross` | after the system boots |
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| 21:17.17 | itchi | ross`: yup, once loaded change the pass |
| 21:17.18 | evo_ | the mount thingy.. |
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| 21:17.30 | itchi | ohyeah, the long way ... :-p |
| 21:17.37 | evo_ | i:) |
| 21:17.53 | ross` | then reboot? |
| 21:18.01 | itchi | ross`: yup |
| 21:18.07 | lantius | do you find it quite interesting to read documentation about dselect? Is this program useful? |
| 21:18.07 | evo_ | if you cahnged the root passwd, yes |
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| 21:18.16 | lrp | ufff |
| 21:18.20 | ross` | nw\ow question |
| 21:18.21 | mahound | sudo: pam_authenticate: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 21:18.21 | lrp | finally im back |
| 21:18.22 | evo_ | ufff |
| 21:18.23 | itchi | lantius: It was usefull :-p |
| 21:18.26 | ross` | do i need to get rid of that line in keral |
| 21:18.29 | mahound | sudo only works occasionally |
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| 21:18.32 | mahound | any suggestion? |
| 21:18.40 | itchi | ross`: no, just reboot, it won't be saved |
| 21:18.45 | lantius | itchi so... now it isn't useful, is it? |
| 21:18.54 | itchi | ross`: To save you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:18.56 | lrp | how can i cut videos in debian ??? what app i have to install ? |
| 21:19.06 | evo_ | nope ross` |
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| 21:19.08 | themill | mahound: are you authenticating off a remote server using kerberos, ldap or similar? |
| 21:19.19 | mahound | themill, no |
| 21:19.20 | evo_ | its only a "onemoment setting" |
| 21:19.42 | evo_ | i see. im to slow |
| 21:20.42 | ross` | erm |
| 21:20.45 | ross` | it didn't save |
| 21:20.52 | ross` | i hit reset in vmware would that cancel changes |
| 21:20.54 | ross` | ? |
| 21:21.00 | ross` | do i need to restart it properly? |
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| 21:21.21 | themill | ross`: ask in #vmware |
| 21:21.33 | chops | lrp: There are a couple of options; I wouldn't expect any of them to be particularly good. 'kino' is one, I know. |
| 21:21.49 | itchi | ross`: Restart properly! |
| 21:21.52 | tramp | ross`: and please stop hitting enter after every second word |
| 21:22.01 | phyburnz | when I setup a PPTP VPN does the netmask need to be the same as my normal connection? |
| 21:22.09 | ross` | ill just redo it |
| 21:22.21 | itchi | ross`: You don't need to save anything |
| 21:22.28 | zamba | what could cause the /etc/environment file not being read upon login? |
| 21:22.49 | itchi | ross`: What you changed in the grub interface is for one go. After the reboot, grub has forget the mess there |
| 21:22.53 | zamba | 'locale' just displays "POSIX" on everything |
| 21:23.40 | ross` | erm now im getting passwd: authentication token lock busy |
| 21:23.41 | itchi | ross`: Try to play and understand that init=/bin/bash trick, it will save you when you do some bad things :-) |
| 21:23.44 | ross` | passwd: unchanged |
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| 21:24.03 | ross` | i can't fix my password |
| 21:24.12 | ross` | i redid it cause it didn't work cause i restarded wrong |
| 21:24.15 | ross` | and now |
| 21:24.18 | ross` | it won't let me change |
| 21:24.22 | jetscreamer | !ifrp |
| 21:24.22 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 21:24.47 | dkr | how come aptitude claims "You can only view changelogs of official debian packages"? because the repo(in this case debian-multimedia.org) did not split out changelogs the way the official repos do? |
| 21:24.50 | itchi | ross`: You did an error: Not giving a password at all, or 2 different passwords |
| 21:24.55 | ross` | no |
| 21:25.00 | ross` | it gave me that twixe |
| 21:25.00 | zamba | ross`: you're pounding that enter key like it's your johnny.. stop hitting enter after every other word, please.. you're polluting the channel |
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| 21:25.11 | y7 | i ran memtest86 and it's completed 4 passes with 0 errors, running a total of 4 hours. i wasn't sure if this was sufficient or not to deteremine that my RAM is not the issue. let me know what you think. thanks. |
| 21:25.16 | ross` | 3 times now |
| 21:25.21 | limac | hi, I wanna know if debian is good for animation (3d)? and if it is stable and greatly reliable? |
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| 21:25.53 | zamba | limac: it's stable and greatly reliable.. but it really depends what you mean by "good for animation".. |
| 21:25.55 | chops | limac: What kind of animation? Rendering, authoring, watching? |
| 21:26.05 | limac | blender |
| 21:26.10 | limac | creawting animations |
| 21:26.12 | dkr | y7: that would be long enough for me to start looking for other possible problems than ram |
| 21:26.15 | itchi | y7: Is reasonable, i don't remember the numbers of pass, just the Lost Hours :-) |
| 21:26.19 | limac | creating |
| 21:26.25 | y7 | i checked the capacitors and they all look good |
| 21:26.27 | chops | limac: It might be better to find the animation tools you'd like to use and then find out how stable they are on Debian... I believe blender's fine to use on Debian, but I've never used it. |
| 21:26.35 | limac | blender |
| 21:26.39 | limac | I'll use blender |
| 21:26.50 | y7 | so why is debian freezing on installation when hardware is good, software is the same, installation processes is the same? |
| 21:27.11 | itchi | limac: blender rocks and is rock stable |
| 21:27.14 | limac | chops: ty :) zamba : ty :) |
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| 21:27.25 | dkr | y7: perhaps you have some newer hardware that is not supported by linux? |
| 21:27.34 | limac | itchi: does it run outstanding on blender |
| 21:27.40 | y7 | i installed to that same array 1 week ago dkr |
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| 21:27.51 | chops | y7: Where is it hanging? |
| 21:27.58 | y7 | the hanging spots change |
| 21:28.00 | itchi | limac: What do you mean? |
| 21:28.05 | y7 | anywhere throughout the installation process |
| 21:28.29 | zamba | y7: could be anything, but it's most probably a hardware issue |
| 21:28.33 | limac | itchi: is there any lacks to blender if used on debian? coz in centOS the rendderer was messed up |
| 21:28.35 | y7 | i've tried using installgui noapic acpi=off and it still freezes along the way, mouse stops moving, etc... |
| 21:28.41 | ross` | zamba: i pound johnny like that? |
| 21:28.46 | phyburnz | when I setup a PPTP VPN does the netmask need to be the same as my normal connection? |
| 21:28.47 | ross` | how do you know |
| 21:28.56 | zamba | memory module or something with your motherboard |
| 21:29.01 | ross` | i more pound johnny like this |
| 21:29.01 | itchi | limac: oh, just see that you get youre 3D "driver" up and running |
| 21:29.02 | ross` | pund |
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| 21:29.04 | ross` | pund |
| 21:29.05 | ross` | pund |
| 21:29.05 | hell-jack | hey |
| 21:29.07 | ross` | pund |
| 21:29.12 | y7 | zamba, does memtest86 not rule out a memory moduel in the motherboard? |
| 21:29.12 | zamba | ross`: i'm guessing you're 14, so |
| 21:29.13 | itchi | ross`: STOP |
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| 21:29.14 | hell-jack | i am using debian etch |
| 21:29.14 | SpeedyG | !ops ross` anoying enter-spammer |
| 21:29.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: speedyg complains about: ross` anoying enter-spammer |
| 21:29.17 | limac | itchi: ok ty :) |
| 21:29.18 | zamba | y7: it should |
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| 21:29.25 | hell-jack | but i have kernel 2.6.24 |
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| 21:29.29 | ross` | itchi: im just showing him how i pound johnny' |
| 21:29.43 | ross` | erm |
| 21:29.44 | ross` | ok |
| 21:29.46 | ross` | this is fucked up |
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| 21:29.52 | zamba | y7: i've had similar issues earlier, i tested virtually everything.. in the end i ended up swapping the motherboard but leaving everything else.. worked like a charm |
| 21:29.56 | ross` | i did init=/bin/sh this time |
| 21:29.59 | ross` | like dpkg said |
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| 21:30.06 | ross` | and it still won't let me change it says |
| 21:30.08 | hell-jack | and my graphic card nvidia i have to take nvidia-glx from sid but i canrt it ask me for nvidia-kernel-source-169.09 |
| 21:30.12 | itchi | ross`: DON'T SHOW ANYTHING AT ALL, SOME WAY OF "WRITTING" MAY BE that IRRITANT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? |
| 21:30.15 | ross` | passwd: Authentication token lock busy |
| 21:30.18 | hell-jack | but i cant find this package |
| 21:30.22 | hell-jack | can someone help me |
| 21:30.30 | ross` | passwd: password unchanged |
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| 21:30.35 | ross` | how do i change ppasswd! |
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| 21:30.47 | AnObfuscator | Huh. Is the Lenny installer supposed to default my hostname to "ubuntu"? :-P |
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| 21:30.50 | AnObfuscator | that's horrible. |
| 21:30.54 | limac | itchi: and for getting a basic debian desktop, do I have to download all the cd's on is the first on enough? |
| 21:30.56 | ross` | that's it |
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| 21:30.59 | ross` | im reinstalling |
| 21:31.02 | y7 | zamba, i installed to this same system 1 week ago and it worked fine, i had to use noapic, but after that, everything went smoothly. now, during the past 7 attempts at installation it has frozen all at different spots. do you think the mobo died in that small of a time frame? |
| 21:31.21 | itchi | ross`: I guess your filesystem is read only |
| 21:31.27 | eltinono | AnObfuscator: scary !! |
| 21:31.41 | itchi | ross`: Redo and add rw after that init=/bin/bash |
| 21:31.54 | itchi | ross`: remove that previous ro btw |
| 21:32.08 | limac | itchi: do I |
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| 21:32.23 | itchi | limac: First may be enought, then you download the needed packages of the .net |
| 21:32.38 | limac | itchi: from the repos? |
| 21:33.03 | ross` | what's rw? |
| 21:33.05 | chairmeleon | hey :) just switched from arch to Lenny, I was so happy to see tcl8.5 in the repos |
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| 21:33.19 | chairmeleon | only to realize now that it seems to be compiled without antialiasing, is that correct? |
| 21:33.25 | itchi | limac: Usually, people download that netinstall cd and use that== 150MB iso and then let download the required stuff |
| 21:33.45 | itchi | ross`: read write |
| 21:33.52 | itchi | ross`: read only = ro |
| 21:33.59 | hell-jack | someone help me |
| 21:34.01 | ross` | can i only get rid of the ro |
| 21:34.02 | ross` | then do it |
| 21:34.05 | sandsmark | what should I do if I want "awesome" on my stable install? |
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| 21:34.10 | limac | itchi: so I can just download the first cd and then install the desktop, and download the required packages form the repos later? |
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| 21:34.15 | sandsmark | as in the window manager |
| 21:34.19 | chops | sandsmark: aptitude install awesome |
| 21:34.23 | itchi | ross`: and add rw |
| 21:34.28 | AnObfuscator | eltinono: indeed. Debian has been tainted. :-( |
| 21:34.31 | chops | sandsmark: Remember --whoa-dude if necessary |
| 21:34.32 | ross` | k |
| 21:34.34 | itchi | limac: yup |
| 21:34.34 | ross` | hope it works |
| 21:34.34 | streuner_ | !+tell ross` -about enter |
| 21:34.35 | dpkg | told ross` about enter. |
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| 21:34.47 | limac | itchi: thanks a lot for the help! :) |
| 21:34.55 | itchi | limac: CD's are outdated anyway |
| 21:34.57 | slidesinger | If you want to copy all the .htaccess files from a tree and back them up while preserving permissions and their place in the tree: find /var/www/ -name .htaccess -print0 | xargs -0 tar cfv - | ( cd ~/oldhtaccess/; tar xfp -) ???? |
| 21:35.02 | itchi | limac: no problem |
| 21:35.03 | eltinono | AnObfuscator: next thing you know, dist-upgrade will get you to Gutsy :p |
| 21:35.21 | AnObfuscator | *shudders* Perish the thought! |
| 21:35.25 | limac | g2g |
| 21:35.27 | sandsmark | chops: it is only available in unstable and testing |
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| 21:35.44 | chops | sandsmark: Honestly I thought you were joking |
| 21:35.48 | sandsmark | chops: ;) |
| 21:35.52 | chops | !tell sandsmark about backports |
| 21:36.09 | ross` | erm |
| 21:36.13 | ross` | how do i reboot from this now |
| 21:36.20 | ross` | reboot doesnt work |
| 21:36.55 | chairmeleon | Is it correct that tcl/tk 8.5 in lenny does not come with antialiasing? |
| 21:37.04 | whitman | ross`, shutdown -r |
| 21:37.11 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r now |
| 21:37.22 | chops | chairmeleon: It sounds like you know better than anyone here :-) |
| 21:37.43 | chops | chairmeleon: Does the upstream version support it? If it's an easy config option you may want to compile it locally with that option |
| 21:37.56 | hell-jack | hey |
| 21:37.56 | ross` | i get this error |
| 21:37.57 | chairmeleon | chops: well that's what got me a bit confused |
| 21:37.58 | ross` | with reboot |
| 21:38.00 | ross` | and shutdown |
| 21:38.03 | chops | chairmeleon: You may also backport the unstable version, and if it isn't compiled with antialiasing, file a wishlist bug |
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| 21:38.09 | hell-jack | i am buiding nvidia-glx package |
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| 21:38.14 | ross` | it says /dev/initctl: no such file or directory |
| 21:38.16 | slidesinger | Hey!!!! It worked!!! |
| 21:38.18 | ross` | when i do shutdown -r now |
| 21:38.26 | hell-jack | this package wants nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:38.41 | hell-jack | 169.09 sÅŸte has 169.09-1 |
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| 21:38.49 | hell-jack | i download and i make dpkg |
| 21:39.05 | hell-jack | but nvidia glx doesnt accept |
| 21:39.07 | hell-jack | here |
| 21:39.13 | eltinono | the unstable version is older than 8.5 |
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| 21:39.22 | ross` | how do i reboot debian! |
| 21:39.24 | ross` | this isnt working |
| 21:39.25 | hell-jack | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:39.30 | ross` | when im in this /bin/bashmode |
| 21:39.35 | ross` | it won't let me |
| 21:39.40 | chops | ross`: Remount ro and just hard reboot |
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| 21:39.52 | hell-jack | someone answer me ! |
| 21:39.54 | chops | ross`: You're in single-user mode; there's no init around to tell to reboot |
| 21:39.57 | hell-jack | :D |
| 21:40.02 | ross` | mmk |
| 21:40.07 | ross` | i just hit shutdown on vmware |
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| 21:41.05 | ross` | woot |
| 21:41.07 | ross` | im logged in |
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| 21:42.18 | cusco | hey... |
| 21:42.27 | itchi | ross`: You had need to use that `reboot` |
| 21:42.30 | cusco | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html says that we can try kde4 on a debian live cd |
| 21:42.54 | cusco | but it does not reffer to where to get the dreaded debian live d |
| 21:42.55 | cusco | cd |
| 21:43.02 | happla | Is KDE 4 33% slower then KDE 3? ;) |
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| 21:43.17 | cusco | happla: is that for me? |
| 21:43.32 | happla | cusco: no, just a general rant about KDE beeing slow |
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| 21:46.36 | eltinono | the kde project. big mouths. big rationale. big ego. but ey, they fail to deliver :p |
| 21:47.02 | chops | !start a WM war |
| 21:47.02 | dpkg | wmaker blows! |
| 21:47.15 | hell-jack | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:47.16 | eltinono | !learn the meaning of WM |
| 21:47.20 | cusco | eltinono: then don't use it |
| 21:47.25 | cusco | let others chose |
| 21:47.45 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with kde |
| 21:47.51 | eltinono | cusco: my expressing my opinion was removing choice from who exactly? |
| 21:47.52 | jetscreamer | least not much |
| 21:47.59 | hell-jack | l-jack> i am using debian etch and my kernel 2.6.24i have nvidia gforce 8400m card i have to install nvidia-glx it wants nvidia-kernel-source 169.09 but this site http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-source has 169.09-1 it suggest nvidia-glx nevidia-glx suggest it but nvidia-glx doesnt accept this version i couldnt find nvidia-kernel-source 169.09 |
| 21:48.06 | chops | !start a big semantic wankfest |
| 21:48.11 | jetscreamer | gnome looks better, but performs worse, imo |
| 21:48.23 | jetscreamer | need a knome |
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| 21:48.35 | jetscreamer | or gde |
| 21:48.36 | streuner_ | !listkeys semantic |
| 21:48.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'semantic' by key (1): semantics. |
| 21:48.37 | jetscreamer | gde |
| 21:48.42 | cusco | foun dme answer anyway http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html |
| 21:48.44 | streuner_ | !semantics |
| 21:48.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, semantics is the study of the meaning of utterances |
| 21:48.51 | hell-jack | someonme answer me |
| 21:49.02 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 21:49.02 | chops | streuner_: I wasn't actually intending for that factoid to succeed |
| 21:49.10 | chops | streuner_: Although it wouldn't be a bad one :-) |
| 21:49.10 | jetscreamer | aptitude purge nvidia* first |
| 21:49.14 | eltinono | I like KDE, but I wish people were honnest enough to admit that it's just another subpar desktop env, which has the great advantage of being open and free. |
| 21:49.17 | lobz | hi! is there a common way to install a newer nvidia driver package on debian etch? |
| 21:49.18 | cusco | comming soon... |
| 21:49.25 | streuner_ | chops: sure :-) |
| 21:49.36 | streuner_ | lobz: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:49.52 | streuner_ | lobz: and read wiki.debian.org about |
| 21:50.01 | jetscreamer | or read my link |
| 21:50.17 | lobz | streuner_: ok, thanks |
| 21:50.50 | danand | hell-jack - are you running a custom kernel? |
| 21:51.09 | hell-jack | what is |
| 21:51.11 | hell-jack | custom kernel |
| 21:51.18 | hell-jack | i am using kernel 2.6.24 |
| 21:51.30 | jair | has anyone compile a kernel using this tutorial online? => http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch? |
| 21:51.41 | danand | hell-jack - did you compile the kernel yourself from source |
| 21:51.58 | jair | tutorial => http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 21:52.12 | jair | I am following it but I got stuck in one part |
| 21:52.14 | hell-jack | no |
| 21:52.23 | hell-jack | i downloaded from sid |
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| 21:52.36 | Erik1 | how can i find out the package that make-ssl-cert is in ? |
| 21:52.50 | jair | I can't understand how it exactly want me to type the names of the new custom kernel image and kernel headers |
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| 21:54.18 | jetscreamer | !tell Erik1 -about search |
| 21:54.21 | danand | hell-jack - it might be easier for you to compile your nVidia module yourself - download the latest source from nVidia and then run the build GUI - make sure to read the README file though - its fairly straight forward if I remember rightly |
| 21:54.23 | jetscreamer | !tell Erik1 -about apt-file |
| 21:54.34 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: my link |
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| 21:54.39 | smaug9 | how do i (re)configure mail so that i can send messages via the mail command to a smarthost |
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| 21:54.58 | justin | smaug9: try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:55.08 | \amethyst | jair: are you talking about the --append-to-version=-custom_kernel_image part? |
| 21:55.10 | hell-jack | jetscreamer, |
| 21:55.16 | hell-jack | i am looking your link |
| 21:55.50 | jetscreamer | works every time |
| 21:55.52 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 21:55.58 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 21:56.00 | \amethyst | jair: which part of that howto are you talking about? |
| 21:56.21 | jair | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:56.24 | jair | 2.5 |
| 21:56.34 | jair | the section 2.5 of the tutorial |
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| 21:57.12 | jair | \amethyst: do you know what I am talking about? |
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| 21:57.20 | \amethyst | jair: --append-to-version=-custom tells it to put -custom after the version (instead of -k7 or -686 or whatever) |
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| 21:57.44 | jetscreamer | jair: man kernel-pg.conf |
| 21:57.52 | jetscreamer | err |
| 21:57.55 | jetscreamer | jair: man kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 21:57.59 | \amethyst | jair: and "kernel_image" is literal---that's the name of the makefile target that builds the linux-image package |
| 21:58.11 | jetscreamer | or kernel-img.conf i can never remember |
| 21:58.25 | jetscreamer | note you may only use . or numbers in your custom |
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| 21:58.36 | jetscreamer | or so it says |
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| 21:58.46 | davidwong | I want to install the basic debian installation. which CD do i need? all i need is debian os. with all the devleoper . like gcc . you know all the development tool kit. nothing else. NO X. is the FIRST DVD ok? |
| 21:58.52 | beeyatch | hey, i am running apache2-mpm-worker module fresh installed from testing repo. But if the server starts it only throws: /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 80: 5610 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -k $ARGV. (Debian Testing, 64bit) Anyone may has an advice? |
| 21:59.12 | jair | \amethyst: hmm here is my current kernel = > 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:59.12 | jetscreamer | first dvd, first cd, netinst, businesscard |
| 21:59.30 | lobz | streuner_: i meant installing "the debian way" newer nvidia drivers than the official etch ones. isn't there a tool that makes the debian packages from the .run file from nvidia.com? :) |
| 21:59.42 | \amethyst | jair: but presumably you don't want that kernel, since you're compiling a new one |
| 21:59.46 | jair | \amethyst: and the kernel i am compiling is on the directory "/usr/src/linux" 2.6.24 |
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| 22:00.05 | \amethyst | jair: type the line exactly as it appears |
| 22:00.12 | jetscreamer | that would probably be from kernel.org |
| 22:00.13 | \amethyst | jair: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 22:00.23 | \amethyst | 2.6.24 is in sid |
| 22:00.27 | beeyatch | in addition dmesg shows lots of these: apache2[5619]: segfault at fffffffffffffffa rip 00002ba538129b6b rsp 00007fff74d6c600 error 4 |
| 22:00.29 | jetscreamer | yes but note the name |
| 22:00.31 | streuner_ | lobz: packages (nvidia-glx and such) are from nivdia website, but debianized... |
| 22:00.34 | hell-jack | jetscreamer, |
| 22:00.40 | jetscreamer | that is how kernel.org source gets extracted |
| 22:00.40 | hell-jack | how can i open .run |
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| 22:00.45 | \amethyst | hm, yeah |
| 22:00.52 | jair | \amethyst: ??? 2.6.24 is in sid? |
| 22:00.54 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: chmod +x it first probably |
| 22:00.57 | jetscreamer | jair: yes |
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| 22:01.10 | hell-jack | okey |
| 22:01.10 | jair | \amethyst: that is the kernel I download from www.kernel.org |
| 22:01.13 | hell-jack | afte |
| 22:01.16 | hell-jack | ./x.run |
| 22:01.43 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: good point... i fergot that.. just paste what the command says, as root, but change the .07 to .09, or whatever version you are doing |
| 22:01.43 | \amethyst | jair: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 22:01.47 | jetscreamer | or ./ |
| 22:01.52 | hell-jack | f,le name nvidia-linux-x86.pkg1.run |
| 22:02.17 | jetscreamer | !find linux-source |
| 22:02.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'linux-source' (1): (/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2) in devel/linux-source-2.6.24. |
| 22:02.34 | lobz | streuner_: yes, but the etch one is 1.0.8776 and I need 169.07 or later |
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| 22:02.51 | jair | \amethyst: I do not want to get a kernel built already, the whole point of my issue is understand and create a kernel by myself |
| 22:03.01 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 22:03.03 | \amethyst | jair: then follow the instructions |
| 22:03.27 | \amethyst | jair: you were asking about the command: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 22:03.27 | jetscreamer | in sid, get the linux-source-2.6.24 |
| 22:03.41 | jetscreamer | jair: either package, the command is what matters |
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| 22:03.47 | jair | I am typing this => jairtc:/usr/src/linux# fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom linux-image-2.6.24-jair0-i386.deb linux-headers-2.6.24-jair0-i386.deb |
| 22:03.54 | jetscreamer | of course you don't get debian patches with kernel.org |
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| 22:04.03 | jetscreamer | nono |
| 22:04.03 | beeyatch | damn :/ nobody has an idea? |
| 22:04.07 | \amethyst | jair: you *actually type* kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 22:04.10 | jair | this is the error I am getting => Error: Unknown target linux-image-2.6.24-jair0-i386.deb Unknown target linux-headers-2.6.24-jair0-i386.deb |
| 22:04.10 | hell-jack | jetscreamer, |
| 22:04.13 | jair | use --targets to display help on valid targets. |
| 22:04.16 | expose | could "aptitude reinstall" change the version if the target release or so has change in between? |
| 22:04.17 | hell-jack | i install linux-source |
| 22:04.18 | DawnLight | hello. wireless card in this laptop doesn't get listed. i don't know much about this laptop. i suspect the card to be pcmcia and i don't have experience with these things |
| 22:04.19 | jetscreamer | yes hell-jack |
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| 22:04.27 | \amethyst | jair: those aren't filenames, they're makefile targets |
| 22:04.28 | expose | or will it really reinstall? |
| 22:04.39 | hell-jack | while configuring latest alsa driver |
| 22:04.40 | hell-jack | .D |
| 22:04.41 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: are you saying you are running a custom kernel? |
| 22:04.48 | \amethyst | jair: type the command exactly as they give it, without changing anything |
| 22:04.55 | hell-jack | i downloaded from synaptic |
| 22:04.56 | jetscreamer | lose the --kernel-include-path, like it says |
| 22:04.59 | jair | \amethyst: I see |
| 22:05.05 | jair | \amethyst: I will give it a try |
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| 22:05.28 | hell-jack | i am building latest alsa driver |
| 22:05.34 | Erik1 | jetscreamer: apt-file update does not work: it cannot find a file on the orig. DVD. |
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| 22:06.12 | Erik1 | jetscreamer: file is Contents-i386.gz....it is no tthere |
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| 22:06.39 | jetscreamer | Erik1: then either it doesn't work too well with dvd's or your dvd isn't set up, or what it wants just isn't there |
| 22:07.24 | jetscreamer | Erik1: i just use it with internet, all i know |
| 22:08.13 | Erik1 | ok |
| 22:08.38 | jair | \amethyst: it is running :) |
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| 22:08.46 | chops | Erik1: I would not be all that surprised if apt-file didn't work with the DVD images... that might be worth a bug report if it's still true in sid. |
| 22:09.25 | jair | jetscreamer: it is running now, it is building it :) |
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| 22:10.17 | livingdaylight | when is lenny due? |
| 22:10.54 | chops | !wwlr |
| 22:10.54 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
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| 22:11.15 | jair | \amethyst: Thank you very much :) |
| 22:11.32 | bratac | Hi, any1 having experience with PvPGN? |
| 22:12.33 | chops | !anyone |
| 22:12.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:12.54 | dimir | !any1 |
| 22:12.54 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
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| 22:14.05 | smaug9 | justin: thanks, worked |
| 22:14.06 | bratac | ^^, owkey then :) |
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| 22:15.54 | bratac | I have trouble compiling pvpgn 1.99, altough i downloaded the required header files and did an almost 7 hour search on google? |
| 22:16.24 | chops | !wtem |
| 22:16.24 | dpkg | What's the error message? |
| 22:16.46 | bratac | /bin/sh: ../../src/autoconf/depcomp: Bestand of map bestaat niet |
| 22:16.52 | mahound | is there anyway to make apt-get reinstall every package with the last version available in the repositories, even if it is lower than the one corrently installed? |
| 22:17.11 | bratac | . /bin/sh: ../../src/autoconf/depcomp: File or directory does not exists |
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| 22:18.26 | PFA | hillary clinton |
| 22:18.27 | PFA | alcatraz |
| 22:18.30 | PFA | osama bin laden |
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| 22:18.42 | PFA | genetic engineering |
| 22:18.43 | PFA | zionism |
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| 22:21.33 | Spee_Der | Good evening folks..... Home at last, and no snow today ! |
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| 22:42.33 | rha_ | hi all |
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| 22:44.25 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 22:44.51 | rha_ | ;-) |
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| 22:53.10 | real0ne | where can i find the documentation |
| 22:53.15 | real0ne | wich i have installed |
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| 22:59.23 | themill | real0ne: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> or man <programname> are generally good places to look |
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| 23:07.04 | gonzaloaf | hi, my system is very slow, how can I find out why? is there maybe a process consuming a lot of cpu or ram? I dont see in the top output somethign strange |
| 23:08.18 | DawnLight | gonzaloaf: linux is fast. paste the output of ps aux |
| 23:08.20 | joltcan | gonzaloaf: use free and see if it uses tmpfs |
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| 23:08.51 | joltcan | gonzaloaf: What does the load say in top (or uptime) |
| 23:09.03 | techouse_ | nick techouse |
| 23:09.21 | gonzaloaf | DawnLight, http://pastebin.ca/891848 |
| 23:09.38 | ugly | after upgrading today to latest apache in lenny, I get seg faults when trying to start the daemon: apache2/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 80: 4059 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -k $ARGV - what file is it talking about when it says line 80? apache2.conf doesn't have anything of interest at that line, imo |
| 23:09.49 | gonzaloaf | joltcan, I'm still not swapping |
| 23:09.56 | ugly | MinSpareThreads 25 |
| 23:10.04 | techouse | themill: :) |
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| 23:10.28 | gonzaloaf | joltcan, 0.84, 0.63, 0.58 |
| 23:10.29 | joltcan | gonzaloaf: Wrong X driver or something? Does the console feel slow as well? |
| 23:10.33 | ugly | wow PFA is a bit late to that meme |
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| 23:10.37 | abrotman | ps aux won't help |
| 23:10.39 | gonzaloaf | joltcan, yes |
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| 23:10.51 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: are you swapping heavily? anythign using a high load |
| 23:10.53 | gonzaloaf | joltcan, I think X |
| 23:11.03 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, not swapping |
| 23:11.10 | joltcan | gonzaloaf: me too. Either that or something crappy in dmesg? |
| 23:11.18 | joltcan | Like a harddrive going down or something |
| 23:11.33 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, when I press alt +tab, the pass to another windows is really slow |
| 23:11.42 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: top |
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| 23:12.36 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, xorg is the winner, like 30% of cpu |
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| 23:13.41 | gonzaloaf | I feel the cpu cooler working hard |
| 23:14.14 | gonzaloaf | I think this means that CPU is working a lot so the cooler tries to cool it |
| 23:14.38 | DawnLight | gonzaloaf: sometimes kded freaks out |
| 23:14.38 | abrotman | you think? |
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| 23:15.11 | gonzaloaf | DawnLight, what is kded ? |
| 23:15.15 | FuzzplugJones | i'm trying to find some documentation for setting up jackd on debian. most of the relevant links on the JACK website are dead, and i can't find anything about how to set it up |
| 23:15.54 | gonzaloaf | DawnLight, yes I think is something wiith kde, because yesterday I couldnt load any kde app |
| 23:16.03 | DawnLight | gonzaloaf: the kde daemon |
| 23:16.16 | themill | DawnLight: kded is showing cpu usage as 0:00 in that ps output so that's unlikely to be chewing cpu. |
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| 23:18.45 | DawnLight | i'm doing modprobe ipw3945 and it is telling me "Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded." help? |
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| 23:19.13 | Maulkin | dmesg ? |
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| 23:19.41 | gonzaloaf | so, I cant solve my problem¿? |
| 23:19.50 | themill | DawnLight: that usually means that it's the wrong driver for the hardware. What kernel are you using? And can you give us an lspci -n for that device? |
| 23:20.19 | mmlj4 | I've got postfix, clam and amavis, and keep getting "Can't connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl" |
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| 23:22.41 | DawnLight | themill: 2.6.18-6-686. lspci doesn't find it |
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| 23:23.03 | limac | hey i am trying to install debian but it is giving me this error: no common CD_ROM driver detected. |
| 23:23.04 | Grab | hello |
| 23:23.24 | Grab | is there a way to autorun irssi on a remote limited shell ? |
| 23:23.33 | limac | and then is asking me: Load CD_ROM drivers from a driver floppy? |
| 23:23.40 | limac | and I selected no |
| 23:24.17 | DawnLight | Maulkin: dmesg doesn't say anything apart from starting the driver |
| 23:24.29 | limac | and then it is asking me to manually set up CD_ROM module and driver and I selected yes |
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| 23:25.16 | limac | and then then it is saying Module needed for accessing the CD_ROM : the options are none and cdrom |
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| 23:25.20 | limac | what to do? |
| 23:25.21 | themill | DawnLight: what makes you think that you have that hardware then? |
| 23:26.19 | limac | any help? pls |
| 23:26.44 | DawnLight | themill: i know that there is a wireless card in this laptop because ubuntu worked it out of the box. wikis say this model has ipw3945 |
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| 23:27.19 | bolt | is there a command like hostname, that prints just my current username? (for bash script) |
| 23:27.27 | themill | DawnLight: if it's not in lspci then it's not in the box. And remember that manufacturers put different hardware in the same box with the same sticker :( |
| 23:27.30 | dkr | bolt: whoami |
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| 23:27.38 | limac | yo anyone?????? |
| 23:27.44 | bazz | is it possible to use a digital camera connected by usb as a webcam? if so, any pointers to a how-to or the like? |
| 23:27.44 | bolt | dkr: ah. thanks |
| 23:27.52 | themill | DawnLight: lspci | grep -i net |
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| 23:28.37 | DawnLight | themill: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
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| 23:29.06 | themill | DawnLight: then perhaps look for it on lsusb (as root) |
| 23:29.25 | limac | yo anyone??????????????????????????????????? |
| 23:29.35 | jbt | aside from netinst cd, how many cd do I need to download for a minimal debian install? |
| 23:29.51 | jbt | seems quite a number for cd .iso were listed :( |
| 23:30.11 | DawnLight | themill: Micro Star International RT2573 doesn't look like it. perhaps it is pcmcia |
| 23:31.28 | AnObfuscator | Hi, I haven't installed debian in a long time, and I don't know this window: it's asking me if I should install "linux image 2.6" or "linux image 2.6.22-3" |
| 23:31.30 | DawnLight | themill: Socket 0 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:04:04.0) is the only output from lspcmcia |
| 23:31.47 | AnObfuscator | Is the first some kind of "meta-package" kernel install? |
| 23:31.48 | themill | DawnLight: The Micro Star RT2573 is the one. it's a ralink card by the looks of it. |
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| 23:32.05 | DawnLight | themill: sun of a gun |
| 23:32.16 | Gnu_Raiz | you might have two kernels on the disk, the 2.6 would be the default. |
| 23:32.30 | Gnu_Raiz | either way you will be fine. |
| 23:32.39 | themill | jbt: the netinst cd is sufficient for a minimal install. The first cd is enough for a minimal install that includes X and gnome (or the kde cd for X and KDE). |
| 23:32.41 | DawnLight | themill: so where from here? |
| 23:32.48 | themill | jbt: it all depends on what you mean by minimal ;) |
| 23:32.49 | Gnu_Raiz | the install disk probably won't leave you a non booting comp. |
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| 23:33.08 | amphi | enouf: good news! (I don't know how old ;) - webkit-gtk no longer needs qmake to build |
| 23:33.40 | AnObfuscator | ok |
| 23:33.41 | AnObfuscator | thanks |
| 23:34.01 | AnObfuscator | well, I wasnt worried about non-booting as much as harder-to-maintain. ;-) |
| 23:34.18 | Gnu_Raiz | chances are you will probably install a newer kernel anyway, if your using the testing cd, I would go for the 2.6.24 version if avaialble. |
| 23:34.36 | themill | DawnLight: /msg dpkg ralink /msg dpkg rt2x00 I *think* your chip is supported by the rt2x00 driver but I've not checked carefully.... Also note that the ralink drivers are a bit of a challenge to get working and often don't even compile. |
| 23:34.56 | AnObfuscator | Well, I'm kinda pissed at super-new shit in linux these days. I just want an operating system that works reliably and is fast. :-) |
| 23:34.59 | themill | DawnLight: Good luck :) |
| 23:35.04 | DawnLight | themill: i am in gratitude |
| 23:35.16 | Shadow_7 | And I still have 350 packages that are pending (darn dialup). |
| 23:35.42 | Shadow_7 | AnObfuscator: freedos.org |
| 23:36.06 | AnObfuscator | Shadow_7: ok, and at least somewhat usable with modern software. ;-) |
| 23:36.07 | Shadow_7 | since you didn't indicate that you wanted hardware support as well. |
| 23:36.26 | AnObfuscator | You are right, I did under-specify my requirements. |
| 23:36.44 | Shadow_7 | Think Plan 9 |
| 23:37.12 | DawnLight | themill: "two days ago, January 24th, Linux Kernel 2.6.24 was released. This is the first mainline kernel that includes (sadly a somewhat buggy) rt2x00 release." :/ |
| 23:37.27 | enouf | amphi: hehe ;-) |
| 23:37.45 | themill | DawnLight: heh.... sounds like the sort of fun that I had with that driver... |
| 23:37.52 | amphi | enouf: what a relief ;) |
| 23:38.02 | DawnLight | some fun |
| 23:38.13 | AnObfuscator | yeah, plan9... that will solve all of my problems... oh, wait. ;-) |
| 23:38.13 | enouf | amphi: phew! that was close :-P |
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| 23:40.30 | vvd | ^^) |
| 23:40.39 | vvd | hello |
| 23:40.54 | AnObfuscator | Can anyone point me to the debian testing bugtracker? |
| 23:41.47 | themill | !tell AnObfuscator about bts |
| 23:42.25 | AnObfuscator | bugs.debian.org ? |
| 23:42.31 | AnObfuscator | thanks |
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| 23:43.13 | gonzaloaf | hi, why I cant change the owner of a directory and its files? root@gaf1/media/f/backup_linux# chown -R gonzalo:gonzalo .aMule/ |
| 23:43.13 | gonzaloaf | chown: changing ownership of `.aMule/Incoming': Operation not permitted |
| 23:43.27 | gonzaloaf | I'm doing it as root |
| 23:43.39 | gonzaloaf | btw, this is a fat32 fs mounted |
| 23:43.48 | vvd | ha :=) |
| 23:43.56 | vvd | no permissions there |
| 23:44.19 | vvd | the fs is the problem, get it? |
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| 23:45.21 | cjFriederich | hello |
| 23:46.00 | themill | gonzaloaf: fat32 is a braindead filesystem that does not understand file ownership. The ownership of all files is determined by the arguments you gave to the mount command. |
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| 23:47.00 | rdz | gonzaloaf, probably you can mount that filesystem with pmount |
| 23:47.02 | gonzaloaf | themill, ohh ok |
| 23:47.17 | themill | !tell gonzaloaf about vfatrw |
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| 23:48.06 | rdz | !tell rdz about vfatrw |
| 23:48.32 | rahul | . . . and ext2 is braindead because it does not understand ownership by multiple users |
| 23:48.38 | rahul | (/groups) |
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| 23:49.44 | PiousMinion | I'm working with a fresh install of etch and when I do apt updage and upgrade I get "the following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686". Anyone know why this might be happening? |
| 23:50.05 | themill | PiousMinion: do a dist-upgrade instead |
| 23:50.15 | Grab | how can i know what's the default text reader on my box ? |
| 23:50.19 | rahul | bashing something because it doesn't have certain features is what is really braindead |
| 23:50.24 | wols_ | !tell PiousMinion about held back |
| 23:50.38 | PiousMinion | themill: even though I've never had problems upgrading the kernel before? |
| 23:50.40 | rahul | (using something when it doesn't have the features you want is also braindead) |
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| 23:50.57 | rahul | PiousMinion: what does that mean? |
| 23:51.16 | rahul | PiousMinion: this is not a problem. you're just not asking it to do what you want it to do. |
| 23:51.48 | PiousMinion | rahul: Then let me rephrase my question. |
| 23:51.59 | themill | PiousMinion: the new kernel has a new ABI version (check the version that it wants to install: it's now -6- not -5-). Any out-of-tree modules such as nvidia or fglrx will need to be recompiled. |
| 23:52.23 | rahul | would you rather have it not tell you about such things? |
| 23:52.27 | PiousMinion | rahul: Why do I now need to do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade for it to upgrade the kernel? |
| 23:53.01 | rahul | PiousMinion: because dist-upgrade will be more aggressive in how it installs and uninstalls packages |
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| 23:53.45 | PiousMinion | rahul: so dist-upgrade is simply a requirement of this package to ensure these aggressive measures? |
| 23:54.09 | rahul | er |
| 23:54.19 | rahul | not that I could parse that sentence, but I think you have the right idea |
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| 23:54.37 | PiousMinion | heh, ok |
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| 23:55.03 | PiousMinion | thanks for clearing that up. :P |
| 23:55.07 | themill | PiousMinion: Yes. Upgrading the kernel to one with a new ABI can break modules that you have separately compiled, so that requires a dist-upgrade not just an upgrade. |
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| 23:55.29 | PiousMinion | themill: thanks |
| 23:56.17 | JordiGH | You don't need a deb line for unstable if you only want to do an etch backport, only a deb-src line, right? |
| 23:56.35 | rahul | yes |
| 23:57.01 | rahul | since the only command you'll be accessing sid with is apt-get source |
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| 23:57.37 | rahul | you probably don't _want_ to have the deb line just to be sure you don't accidentally upgrade to a sid package |
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| 23:57.53 | reskew | I have a more basic question along the same lines. I've been using Etch for a while now as new new linux user, so what happens when Lenny becomes stable - will apt will aptitude automatically move me up with upgrade? |
| 23:58.00 | JordiGH | Good, good. I was wondering if apt-get needed to also know about available binaries for getting source packages. Stranger things have been true. |
| 23:58.12 | rahul | reskew: depends on if you refer to "stable" or "etch" in your sources.list |
| 23:58.29 | reskew | I would have to look |
| 23:58.43 | JordiGH | reskew: That used to be true, but nowadays it's probably not the safest way to upgrade. You'll get some lenny release notes giving an upgrade path from etch when lenny releases. |
| 23:59.17 | rahul | eh, will lenny have as many major changes as etch did? |
| 23:59.25 | rahul | as far as package management |
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| 23:59.32 | reskew | JordiGH so unfortunately the advice is back up and move up with fresh install? |
| 23:59.44 | rahul | reskew: did anyone give you that advice? |
