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| 00:00.13 | JordiGH | reskew: We don't know what the advice will be yet. :-) But rest assured that backing up and reinstalling will not be the advice. It wasn't for sarge -> etch, but it wasn't as simple as "apt-get upgrade" either. |
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| 00:00.25 | reskew | rahul I was reading into "nowadays it's probably not the safest way to upgrade"" |
| 00:00.41 | reskew | Obviously reading too much into it :) |
| 00:00.44 | rahul | there are more than two choices for upgrade procedures |
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| 00:00.54 | themill | rahul: possibly. probably. woody->sarge was also more than just a dist-upgrade and sarge->etch was a bit more exciting still. etch->lenny isn't looking too bad, but the advice of "read the release notes" is sound. |
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| 00:01.09 | kractor | evening all |
| 00:01.10 | rahul | themill: yes, of course |
| 00:01.40 | rahul | but if people read the release notes, they wouldn't be using apt-get any more :P |
| 00:01.41 | themill | rahul: and yes, lenny will introduce *very* big changes to package management -- apt-get will start doing recommended packages and autoremoves. |
| 00:01.48 | themill | rahul: :) |
| 00:01.54 | rahul | oooo |
| 00:01.56 | reskew | rahul i di and use aptitude |
| 00:02.02 | reskew | that's the advice isn't it? |
| 00:02.06 | rahul | they're backporting features to apt-get |
| 00:02.10 | kractor | been poking around looking for info on the kodak easyshare m753 and can't find much, it doesn't appear that the camera is being detected over the USB |
| 00:02.10 | rahul | reskew: yes, it is |
| 00:02.15 | JordiGH | themill: Ooh. How very Ubuntu. :-) |
| 00:02.18 | rahul | reskew: I wasn't talking about you in particular |
| 00:02.30 | craigevil | recommends and autoremove has been in apt-get for a while at least in sid |
| 00:02.36 | JordiGH | But we still had encrypted hard disk during install before Ubuntu. Take that, Canonical! |
| 00:02.42 | reskew | rahul no I was just proud of the fact I have been reading the docs :) |
| 00:03.29 | kractor | wondering if anyone has any good links they can recommend on linux usb camera drivers? ... :D |
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| 00:03.30 | JordiGH | aptitude still seems smarter than apt-get for dependency resolution, and its source is readable. :-) |
| 00:03.31 | JordiGH | (unlike apt-get's) |
| 00:03.31 | rahul | good boy/girl :P |
| 00:03.41 | reskew | JordiGH the language of the commands is more obvious too |
| 00:03.49 | reskew | From this newbie's persepctive anyway |
| 00:04.06 | themill | kractor: usually just plug it in and gphoto works. Digikam or f-spot use gphoto to do the hard work. |
| 00:04.24 | reskew | themill yeah my fuji just worked |
| 00:04.50 | reskew | made me wonder why windows needs all that software? |
| 00:04.57 | rahul | reskew: it doesn't |
| 00:04.58 | kractor | themill, i don't think the camera is being detected at all, lsusb isn't showing anything other than the mouse currently |
| 00:05.00 | JordiGH | kractor: all cameras I've tried recently Just Work with digikam, although sometimes slowly. The desktop environments can handle them when you plug them in. Well, at least in lenny; not sure how life in etch is these days. |
| 00:05.29 | rahul | reskew: I actually just use adobe photo studio in windows |
| 00:05.31 | themill | JordiGH: etch (and even sarge) had pretty good camera handling too. |
| 00:05.43 | rahul | none of the crap that the manufacturer puts out |
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| 00:05.55 | themill | kractor: what sort of camera is it? |
| 00:06.06 | JordiGH | kractor: Ah, well, then you're in for some painful time. Find your camera model, google for it, see if someone has figured out how to make your camera communicate with Linux... :-/ |
| 00:06.07 | kractor | the light is on the camera, so i know the connection is good ... wonder if there's some sort of kernel module i'll need? |
| 00:06.16 | kractor | themill, kodak easyshare m753 |
| 00:06.24 | reskew | rahul well I actually use the twain in Fireworks but I seem to remember there was no easy way of just installing the drivers. |
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| 00:07.10 | JordiGH | Do we have any mirrors in Africa? |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:08.45 | kractor | JordiGH, yea i'm not going to spend TOO much time on it really ... easy enough to just run it into the wife's laptop to grab the pictures out ... |
| 00:09.02 | reskew | I've tried a few linux distros and i think Debian should be really proud of their servers - the one in the uk at least is so much faster than Mandriva's or Fedora. I'm sure Debian's servers are about twice as fast at least |
| 00:09.17 | JordiGH | Hm, not any primary mirrors, though. Drat. I just recommended an African of uncertain location to try to use a primary mirror. |
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| 00:09.41 | JordiGH | reskew: Depends on the server... The on in .mx isn't that great. I usually end up using a .us server instead. :-/ |
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| 00:09.53 | themill | kractor: did you run lsusb as root? It's *probably* a PTP camera in which case gphoto will work. You can try looking at the gphoto2 documentation for how to search for your camera and where to see if it is supported: http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/doc/manual/ |
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| 00:10.06 | kractor | themill, aye, i made sure i was root |
| 00:10.20 | kractor | thanks for the linkage btw ... :) |
| 00:10.36 | themill | np |
| 00:10.54 | TheFearsomeFufu | How do I list the currently loaded modules in the kernel? I tried "modprobe -l" but that showed that a certain file is loaded, but the file doesn't exist on my filesystem (I rebooted after removing it). |
| 00:11.00 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 00:11.02 | TheFearsomeFufu | Is it somehow loading the .ko from somehwere else? |
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| 00:11.27 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:12.47 | JordiGH | Er, naturally. |
| 00:13.00 | JordiGH | Because last time I asked, he wasn't a Debian Developer, was he? |
| 00:13.14 | reskew | I have to buy a debian manual - to lran all these ls less and grep commands - I'm learning each as i need to do something - but i think I ought to take a more methodical approach - would you recommend any one book above all the others? |
| 00:13.41 | JordiGH | Is the Debian bible up to date? I don't think we have a good treewar manual, actually. |
| 00:13.52 | JordiGH | treeware |
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| 00:15.02 | abrotman | do you need one? |
| 00:15.04 | reskew | JordiGH I just wanted something to read on the train - I suppose i'm actually looking more for linux manual but they all looked so thick when I last went to my local big city boookstore. |
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| 00:16.16 | reskew | i suppose the question is am I best learning one task at a time. |
| 00:16.29 | JordiGH | reskew: "How Linux Works" was pretty good for me. General GNU/Linux books are ok. Sometimes even books that talk about older unices are ok too. Most of the stuff you need to know to be comfortable in bash you usually learn by reading info pages (e.g. read the coreutils info) or manpages, one at a time as you need to learn a new thing. |
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| 00:16.31 | reskew | Or trying to commit some to memory |
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| 00:17.06 | JordiGH | reskew: Also, get comfy with an editor. Learn it. Love it. Defend it against infidels. ;-) |
| 00:17.14 | DawnLight | the etch rt2x00 doesn't make an interface at all so i've backported the lenny one and it doesn't build. in ubuntu this card worked out of the box. should i try the kernel in backports? any ideas? |
| 00:17.19 | karrotx | i have a line: `%admin ALL=NOPASSWD:!/usr/bin/passwd root*` in my sudoers file |
| 00:17.25 | karrotx | yet it still prompts for password? |
| 00:17.47 | JordiGH | karrotx: Are you in sudoers group? If you are, you've run afoul of a sudo bug. :-/ |
| 00:17.52 | nevyn | I like the unix programming environment by Kernigan and pike (it's small) |
| 00:17.57 | karrotx | JordiGH: yup |
| 00:18.02 | JordiGH | karrotx: |
| 00:18.10 | JordiGH | karrotx: Remove yourself from that group and try again. |
| 00:18.12 | reskew | JordiGH well this is where the real hard work starts - I used to use Dreamweaver but now I actually have to commit to learning javascript or cheating by using windows :) |
| 00:18.13 | nevyn | and Unix power tools by O'reilly but it's a bit more substancial |
| 00:18.26 | nevyn | well no. |
| 00:19.12 | reskew | nevyn i saw that one - it was well written but it was tome |
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| 00:19.24 | kractor | heh, i've been using scite as an editor since that's what i used in windows ... there's so much variety in editors i'm scared of it ... heh |
| 00:19.34 | JordiGH | Emacs! |
| 00:19.47 | reskew | kractor I actually like bluefish |
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| 00:20.17 | reskew | Scite is the one most professionals use |
| 00:20.31 | wols_ | !tell DawnLight about errors |
| 00:20.32 | reskew | But then i was also told that a lot of people use Emacs |
| 00:20.41 | wols_ | DawnLight: also do you have the firmware? and have it at the right place? |
| 00:20.42 | DawnLight | wols_: alright |
| 00:20.45 | JordiGH | Professionals? |
| 00:20.48 | reskew | I can't get my head around Emacs to be honest |
| 00:20.49 | JordiGH | What kind of professionals? |
| 00:20.50 | nevyn | reskew: The unix programming Environment by Kernighan and Pike is small and gives you an indication of why unix is cool |
| 00:20.52 | DawnLight | wols_: what firmware? |
| 00:21.01 | wols_ | your ralink firmware |
| 00:21.06 | JordiGH | If you must use That Other OS, Notepad++ is probably one of the best choices. |
| 00:21.09 | reskew | JordiGH i took it to mean we programmers |
| 00:21.20 | reskew | But you're right it could mean anything |
| 00:21.22 | nevyn | JordiGH: there's a vim port to windows ... :-{ |
| 00:21.29 | DawnLight | wols_: didn't know it needs anything other than the module |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | reskew: so use another editor |
| 00:21.38 | kractor | i've heard that emacs isn't so very nice to the newcomer |
| 00:21.45 | nevyn | neither is VIM |
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| 00:21.51 | JordiGH | nevyn: Notepad++ looks like other apps in The Other OS. vim doesn't, unfortunately. |
| 00:21.55 | kractor | like, its complicated etc etc ... never looked at it for myself though |
| 00:21.57 | nevyn | good tools are worth learning. |
| 00:21.58 | reskew | nevyn i don't know Vim was alright |
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| 00:22.25 | reskew | Strange keyboard shortcuts but you could learn it |
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| 00:22.31 | JordiGH | kractor: Emacs can be simple to use at first, and as you get comfy with it, you learn to use more and more of its features. Unlike vim, it doesn't require you to learn anything to actually type at all. ;-) |
| 00:22.38 | nevyn | eventually you don't think about modes or commands you just think I want to swap those paragraphs or code blocks.. and it happens |
| 00:22.51 | reskew | emacs I found impenetrable |
| 00:22.53 | nevyn | JordiGH: but you need to know stuff to get out. |
| 00:22.57 | kractor | might give it a shot later, i've got some php / sql to work on ... heh |
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| 00:23.06 | JordiGH | nevyn: You click on the "x" button on the top right. |
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| 00:23.09 | nevyn | and vim has a very good tutorial that get's you started. |
| 00:23.12 | JoeThomas | Hi, how would I go about sound distortion on my server? |
| 00:23.23 | nevyn | JordiGH: that kills all my other konsole tabs. |
| 00:23.24 | gordonjcp | JoeThomas: what kind of sound, what kind of distortion? |
| 00:23.38 | JordiGH | nevyn: Emacs starts in GTK mode by default. Does vim? |
| 00:23.39 | reskew | nevyn I can see how Vim would be very ergonomic once you'd learnt it |
| 00:23.40 | streuner_ | http://80.237.206.16:7620 <-- for those who like "Fleetwood Mac" ;-) |
| 00:23.52 | gordonjcp | nevyn: I use vim because "old habits die hard" ;-) |
| 00:23.56 | Grab | how can i reboot my remote shell |
| 00:24.22 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: Well I'm playing mp3 files, rather it be through mplayer or moc, it seems that I have some distortions and tracks are offset, such as vocal set will be loud, then soft, etc. |
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| 00:24.25 | cla | Grab: restart your sshd or reboot a box? |
| 00:24.29 | gordonjcp | even in "modern" editors like gedit, I find it hard to unlearn 20 years' worth of <escape>:wq |
| 00:24.31 | auto359 | hi, just installed debian etch/x86, checking the path of the user, export $PATH gives -bash: export: `/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games': not a valid identifier. what has happened? |
| 00:24.34 | nevyn | JordiGH: no because that would be annoying |
| 00:24.42 | Grab | cla ssh |
| 00:24.45 | lleoliveirabr | hi, i tried to install ubunto today and didn't find the internet |
| 00:24.46 | gordonjcp | JoeThomas: you mean normalising volume? |
| 00:24.48 | lleoliveirabr | wireless |
| 00:24.53 | nevyn | I HATE that debian switched to nano for the default root $EDITOR |
| 00:24.55 | nevyn | it's evil |
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| 00:24.58 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: what do you mean by normalising? |
| 00:25.03 | JordiGH | nevyn: Yeah, heh. Screw the newbies! Make them read a tutorial to learn how to type anything at all. And make them read some more to know how to close vim. ;-) |
| 00:25.06 | cla | Grab: /etc/init.d/sshd restart i guess |
| 00:25.08 | gordonjcp | JoeThomas: making the tracks play at the same level |
| 00:25.10 | streuner_ | nevyn: nano isnt that bad |
| 00:25.21 | lleoliveirabr | so probably will not work on debian too? as ubunto is based on debian |
| 00:25.21 | JordiGH | nevyn: Just be grateful they didn't choose cat as the default editor. |
| 00:25.23 | Grab | cla k |
| 00:25.24 | reskew | nevyn I can see why they did though nano is hard to get wrong |
| 00:25.28 | gordonjcp | streuner_: it is if you're used to vi |
| 00:25.40 | reskew | I haven't heard of cat |
| 00:25.43 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: So ask #ubuntu |
| 00:25.44 | bush | <- only learned vi because i know it will always be there |
| 00:25.46 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: Sort of, except it's not constant, sometimes vocal tracks will be normal, next they are faded in the background. Obviously not how the mp3 plays on other computers. |
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| 00:26.06 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: But wireless is a mess overall in Linux. Hardware vendors will not release specs, so we can't write drivers for it. |
| 00:26.12 | reskew | I've heard of kate - that's a nice editor |
| 00:26.14 | nevyn | reskew: I understand the reasons.. but it means I have a problem in that.. I don't like to change defaults for root. in order to be friendly to other administrators. |
| 00:26.18 | reskew | Takes awhile to load though |
| 00:26.21 | nevyn | reskew: kate is awesome. |
| 00:26.26 | nevyn | but it's not vim |
| 00:26.38 | lleoliveirabr | debian probabyly will not work with wireless |
| 00:26.42 | lleoliveirabr | ? |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: it works with mine |
| 00:26.55 | lleoliveirabr | good |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: if you feel more comfortable with ubuntu . use it |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:27.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 00:27.06 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Depends on the card, but unless you have a Ralink chipset, you'll very likely have to use some non-free software to get it working. |
| 00:27.23 | streuner_ | lleoliveirabr: wireless works here too :-) |
| 00:27.25 | nevyn | or at least a firmware blob |
| 00:27.27 | reskew | abrotman I haven't tried my wireless card - this comp is right next to the router but i might out of cusiosity |
| 00:27.44 | JordiGH | nevyn: A blob is non-free software. Every bitstream is software. |
| 00:27.47 | gordonjcp | JoeThomas: ah right, so the tracks play normally on other computers, just not this particular one? |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: uhm .. stop with FUD ? |
| 00:27.54 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: correct. |
| 00:28.00 | nevyn | JordiGH: I agree. |
| 00:28.01 | lleoliveirabr | will tell you my card |
| 00:28.03 | gordonjcp | JoeThomas: knackered soundcard? |
| 00:28.03 | JordiGH | abrotman: Something besides Ralink have free drivers? |
| 00:28.10 | abrotman | JordiGH: the one i'm using for example ? |
| 00:28.17 | JordiGH | abrotman: Which one is it/ |
| 00:28.18 | JordiGH | ? |
| 00:28.19 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: No, worked fine with I had slackware and windows on the pc. |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | orinoco |
| 00:28.22 | streuner_ | lleoliveirabr: lspci is what you want |
| 00:28.25 | nevyn | ralink has free firmware? |
| 00:28.27 | gordonjcp | JoeThomas: weird, no idea then |
| 00:28.31 | JordiGH | nevyn: Yep. |
| 00:28.42 | lleoliveirabr | what is lspci |
| 00:28.42 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: alright, does alsa generate logs? |
| 00:28.53 | gordonjcp | for some things, yes |
| 00:28.58 | TheFearsomeFufu | How can I get rid of IPv6 completely? I guess removing the ipv6 kernel module? Should I put it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 00:29.05 | JordiGH | abrotman: No blob either? My internets are slow and it's getting a while for me to look up orinoco cards. |
| 00:29.06 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: alright, I'll see if anythings in there, thanks thouhg |
| 00:29.09 | streuner_ | lleoliveirabr: lspci is a tool to look in a db and tell you infos (chipset and such) about |
| 00:29.10 | lleoliveirabr | my card is intel wireless |
| 00:29.19 | gordonjcp | JoeThomas: I'd try another card anyway just to see |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: AFAIK .. never had a blob |
| 00:29.25 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Which kind of Intel? |
| 00:29.27 | JoeThomas | gordonjcp: alright. |
| 00:29.30 | reskew | I know for a fact my other computer with Ubuntu works with my belkin adapter - I assumed Debian supported more or less the same hardware? |
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| 00:29.41 | lleoliveirabr | 4965agn |
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| 00:29.54 | karsten | Is there a way in vim to do some sort of "reveal codes"? I'm trying to see what the character that's producing what appears as a blue vertical bar is. |
| 00:29.56 | abrotman | JordiGH: so you can actually educate yourself .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers#Linux |
| 00:30.02 | nevyn | reskew: life's a little more complicated than that debian has taken a moral stand on binary blobs in free software |
| 00:30.07 | amphi | lleoliveirabr: unless you run 2.6.24, you get to build it yourself |
| 00:30.20 | amphi | lleoliveirabr: intellinuxwireless.org |
| 00:30.28 | JordiGH | amphi: Ah, so it is in iwlwifi? |
| 00:30.32 | amphi | JordiGH: yes |
| 00:30.33 | lleoliveirabr | i'm newbie |
| 00:30.41 | themill | !tell lleoliveirabr about iwlwifi |
| 00:30.41 | lleoliveirabr | first time trying linux |
| 00:30.50 | JordiGH | So lleoliveirabr will need a firmware blob after all. :-/ |
| 00:30.52 | Decepticon | how do i check what hdds are connected, and whats the command to make fstab automatically reset and mount everything in /etc/fstab |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: now would you like to retract your statement ? |
| 00:31.14 | lleoliveirabr | i need details |
| 00:31.16 | reskew | nevyn it doesn't really matter anyway as this comp will always be plugged in - it's too old and too heavy to put anywhere else LOL |
| 00:31.23 | JordiGH | I really would like to read an explanation somewhere of why Intel says it needs blobs to enforce FCC regulations but other cards get by without. Does the hardware itself enforce the FCC regulations instead? |
| 00:31.25 | lleoliveirabr | so i need to try to install debian right? |
| 00:31.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: I would. I didn't know about orinoco cards. Sorry. |
| 00:31.42 | amphi | themill: cool, it's in debian's .23 - thanks |
| 00:31.44 | bush | if ubuntu is giving you trouble, debian isnt going to help |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | JordiGH: i'ts not just orinoco .. there are plenty of different cards that have free drivers that don't require blobs |
| 00:32.01 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: You'll need a 2.6.24 kernel, though. Currently only in Debian unstable. |
| 00:32.12 | bush | unstable definitely isnt going to help |
| 00:32.17 | lleoliveirabr | i'm trying debian instable |
| 00:32.21 | lleoliveirabr | unstable |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | oh jesus |
| 00:32.37 | streuner_ | What kind of idiot is this? |
| 00:32.39 | amphi | JordiGH: according to the factoid, it's in debian's .23 |
| 00:32.39 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Don't go to unstable if you're a newbie. |
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| 00:32.44 | themill | amphi: np. It's not too hard to get working under 2.6.22 either. |
| 00:32.51 | JordiGH | amphi: .23 isn't in Debian, is it? |
| 00:32.56 | amphi | themill: no, it wasn't here |
| 00:32.58 | JordiGH | amphi: They went right to .24 |
| 00:32.59 | lleoliveirabr | god |
| 00:33.01 | bush | lleoliveirabr: unstable is exactly how it sounds ;) |
| 00:33.04 | streuner_ | bush: you have the right nick-name actually... |
| 00:33.07 | reskew | lleoliveirabr to be honest I just put the Debian xfce CD in the drawer and followed the instructions and it wasn't that long ago. |
| 00:33.10 | themill | JordiGH: it was in sid for a while |
| 00:33.15 | Decepticon | how do i automatically reload /etc/fstab |
| 00:33.22 | streuner_ | !bushsmite bush |
| 00:33.29 | abrotman | Decepticon: for which filesystem ? |
| 00:33.30 | bush | lawl |
| 00:33.35 | amphi | JordiGH: dunno; I'm on testing, I used .22, then vanilla .24 for ticklessness |
| 00:33.38 | Decepticon | abrotman ext3 |
| 00:33.39 | abrotman | JordiGH: you should maybe stop now? :) |
| 00:33.45 | lleoliveirabr | so probably it's better i don't install debian |
| 00:33.49 | abrotman | Decepticon: / ? /home? /bobsdata? |
| 00:33.50 | DawnLight | i've installed the backported 2.6.22 kernel and i'd like to reboot into it. since i'm a few miles from the box i'd like it to fallback to the etch kernel if this one doesn't work. is that possible? |
| 00:33.51 | themill | !permasunday |
| 00:33.51 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 00:34.13 | streuner_ | themill: sadly true |
| 00:34.15 | reskew | lleoliveirabr why do you say that? |
| 00:34.31 | Decepticon | abrotman, its just /media/stauff |
| 00:34.36 | JordiGH | DawnLight: I'm not sure how you can tell your machine remotely to reboot into your old kernel if, say, it kernel panics on the new one. :-/ |
| 00:34.43 | bush | DawnLight: id wait until you're at the box, unless you have somebody available to reset the box |
| 00:34.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: Alright. |
| 00:34.48 | abrotman | Decepticon: just `mount /media/stauff` |
| 00:34.50 | lleoliveirabr | debian probably doesn't support my notebook to all work ok |
| 00:34.53 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 00:34.59 | lleoliveirabr | people say to me not install unstable |
| 00:35.00 | Decepticon | abrotman, i thought there was a specific command to renact /etc/fstab |
| 00:35.02 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: then by all means .. go to #ubuntu |
| 00:35.17 | lleoliveirabr | first i'll try debian |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | Decepticon: the command i gave you will mount it |
| 00:35.20 | JordiGH | abrotman: Is that orinoco card external/USB? I'm not happy with Intel's iwlwifi blob. |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | JordiGH: in my laptop .. it's mini-pci |
| 00:35.32 | Decepticon | abrotman yes it will, but im trying to remember that command i used earlier |
| 00:35.33 | amphi | lleoliveirabr: it is not hard to build the modules for that card, as themill said |
| 00:35.38 | abrotman | Decepticon: mount -a ? |
| 00:35.39 | bush | lleoliveirabr: slam your penis in a car door. multiply the pain by 10, that's unstable |
| 00:35.43 | Decepticon | abrotman yess thats it |
| 00:35.46 | abrotman | bush: STOP |
| 00:35.47 | reskew | lleoliveirabr ah right well i think Ubuntu sees to have the fullest hardware support of any of the distros I tried |
| 00:35.59 | JordiGH | abrotman: Hm, I might buy one, then. |
| 00:36.03 | bush | abrotman: hammertime |
| 00:36.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: good luck .. they're older .. my laptop is ~4 years old .. and only 802.11b |
| 00:36.18 | streuner_ | abrotman: we should get rid of this troll |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | streuner_: which one? |
| 00:36.33 | streuner_ | abrotman: haha |
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| 00:36.40 | craigevil | unstable isnt that bad you just have to know what the hell your doing, jumping right into it would not be the way to learn Debian though |
| 00:36.41 | lleoliveirabr | i'll try debian unstable and tell you the problems i'll have, maybe you can help me step by step what i need to do |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | i could just drive to his house and kick him in the head :) |
| 00:36.49 | Tramp | DawnLight: grub has a failback option. I never tried it though |
| 00:36.55 | Decepticon | and how do i see all the hdds connected ot my pc, whether mounted or not |
| 00:37.06 | DawnLight | it booted :) |
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| 00:37.16 | themill | !tell lleoliveirabr about sid |
| 00:37.20 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Oh lord Tux, no. We're not helping you if you go to unstable. It's not a distro you're meant to use if you're new. |
| 00:37.23 | amphi | lleoliveirabr: you'd be better IMHO to run testing, and build the iwlwifi module yourself; it's not difficult |
| 00:37.27 | themill | lleoliveirabr: we won't be helping you with sid. |
| 00:37.34 | JordiGH | Actually, kinda like South Park, unstable should be viewed/used by no one. :-) |
| 00:37.38 | themill | amphi: or etch, even |
| 00:37.48 | Biohazard | hi |
| 00:37.51 | bush | you will only receive help with Potato |
| 00:37.56 | JordiGH | !greet Biohazard |
| 00:37.56 | dpkg | Hello, Biohazard |
| 00:37.57 | Decepticon | and how do i see all the hdds connected ot my pc, whether mounted or not..? |
| 00:38.09 | amphi | themill: is there a backported .22 for etch? |
| 00:38.17 | lleoliveirabr | i'm running testing |
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| 00:38.28 | abrotman | amphi: yes |
| 00:38.37 | reskew | lleoliveirabr asking for help with unstable is like asking a vendor to support a beta - it's not realistic |
| 00:38.39 | themill | amphi: backports.org has 2.6.22 |
| 00:38.51 | amphi | abrotman, themill: thanks |
| 00:38.57 | lleoliveirabr | i'm download testing version |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | amphi: http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:39.20 | Bushmills | lleoliveirabr: I'd suggest to grab a live cd and see which of your notebook devices work |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | amphi: notice the version for etch-backports |
| 00:39.26 | amphi | lleoliveirabr: what machine is this on? |
| 00:39.37 | lleoliveirabr | notebook sony vaio |
| 00:39.39 | Bushmills | lleoliveirabr: maybe kanotix, or knoppix, or such |
| 00:40.08 | Biohazard | lol JordiGH, hi :) |
| 00:40.12 | lleoliveirabr | will see |
| 00:40.13 | JordiGH | I'm going to try to build Linux The Debian Way because the .24 in testing has issues with suspend/hibernate/battery monitor. Will the kernel-package package guide me through it? |
| 00:40.23 | abrotman | there isn't .24 in testing yet |
| 00:40.27 | amphi | lleoliveirabr: look at linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org |
| 00:40.35 | reskew | I just realised how late it is (in the UK) I have to get to bed. Goodnight! |
| 00:40.37 | lleoliveirabr | will look |
| 00:40.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: Oops, meant unstable. |
| 00:41.02 | JordiGH | Where was that kernel build factoid? |
| 00:41.12 | streuner_ | !kp |
| 00:41.12 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 00:41.30 | JordiGH | !thanks streuner |
| 00:41.30 | dpkg | no worries, JordiGH |
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| 00:42.15 | themill | abrotman: 2.6.24 isn't squeezable into an etch or lenny box without recompiling it due to acpi changes (in the debian build). There's a trap there for the unwary there.... Actually, it's broken in sid at present with that. |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | themill: you're telling the wrong person |
| 00:42.51 | JordiGH | themill: Uh-oh. Are those acpi problems why my battery monitor isn't working? |
| 00:43.11 | JordiGH | If the DDs couldn't fix it, I doubt I can do it by building the kernel myself. :-/ |
| 00:43.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: if you're running unstable .. shouldn't you know how to check? |
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| 00:43.37 | themill | !dbugs 462305 |
| 00:43.40 | dpkg | #462305:I[acpi] acpi queries /proc but not new /sys power interfaces; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:30:04 UTC |
| 00:43.40 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm not running unstable, actually. Just an unstable kernel. Right now testing and unstable have the same libc6, so all is well. |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: would you like me to tell you about mixing versions of debian ? |
| 00:44.26 | JordiGH | abrotman: It's working so far. If it breaks, I'll have something to do during a rainy afternoon. :-) |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | what .. come ask us ? |
| 00:44.46 | JordiGH | Heh, no. |
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| 00:46.16 | themill | JordiGH: have fun with that... be interested to hear how you go with 2.6.24 in lenny. |
| 00:46.20 | themill | Ciao! |
| 00:46.24 | bush | abrotman: is mixing a vanilla kernel that bad? |
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| 00:46.42 | abrotman | that's not what he's doing |
| 00:46.51 | bush | ohhh |
| 00:47.02 | bush | i missed that |
| 00:47.16 | bush | in that case, i understand |
| 00:47.18 | streuner_ | yeah, you missed some good habits too |
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| 00:49.52 | jetscreamer | neither is bad |
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| 00:51.02 | amphi | JordiGH: enable deprecated /proc/acpi interface, I believe |
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| 00:51.10 | DawnLight | wols_: "The rt61pci and rt73usb drivers require 'firmware'..." i have an RT2573 so i don't think i need firmware. the reason for that error when i tried to build the backported source is "These drivers use the latest Linux wireless stack and can only be built for versions 2.6.22 and 2.6.23". anyway... both the rt2500usb and rt2x00usb modules don't make me an ninterface :( |
| 00:51.14 | maelstrom | how come in synaptic to install programs i have to pop in my install cd ? why can't i download them ? |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | maelstrom: comment out your cdrom sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:51.37 | JordiGH | amphi: Yeah, it will be fun for me to figure out how to do that and keep everything else sane. Kernel-land is wondrous strange territory to me. :-) |
| 00:51.37 | jetscreamer | maelstrom: edit /etc/apt/sour.. what he said |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you need faster intarweb :) |
| 00:51.54 | jetscreamer | maelstrom: then aptitude update |
| 00:52.05 | amphi | JordiGH: it shouldn't interfere with anything else |
| 00:52.08 | maelstrom | that's kinda dumb that I have to do that =/ but thanks |
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| 00:52.31 | jetscreamer | next time don't install from a cd |
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| 00:52.41 | jetscreamer | or dvd |
| 00:52.50 | DawnLight | wols_: this is with the backported 2.6.22 |
| 00:52.57 | JordiGH | amphi: But won't I have to choose a zillion things when I make the kernel? Like choosing modules for my keyboard and cd rom, and not leave the defaults as they are, since Debian messes with the defaults anyways when it builds kernels? Like I said, I'm totally clueless. |
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| 00:53.29 | wols_ | DawnLight: then use the 2.6.24 which uses the new wireless stack and which have rt2x00 in vanilla kernel sources |
| 00:53.32 | JordiGH | maelstrom: Just delete the cdrom lines from you /etc/apt/sources.list, but some online sources instead, and do "aptitude update". |
| 00:53.36 | jetscreamer | you don't have to, JordiGH .... best way to start, touch nothing if you don't know. and only mess with what you DO know |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | hahahaa |
| 00:53.53 | DawnLight | wols_: can i find any debian sources for that? |
| 00:54.05 | jetscreamer | it's in sid |
| 00:54.10 | jetscreamer | get it from pdo DawnLight |
| 00:54.19 | DawnLight | pdo? |
| 00:54.32 | DawnLight | ah |
| 00:54.36 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I'm still scared. :-) I'll save this for the weekend. I can live without knowing my exact battery level for a while. |
| 00:54.40 | wols_ | DawnLight: sid. you need to backport yourself |
| 00:54.41 | jetscreamer | wols_: or are you saying that it's in the kernel.org version and not the debian version of .24 |
| 00:54.50 | jetscreamer | ah just checking nm |
| 00:54.55 | wols_ | both, kernel.org and debian versions use it |
| 00:54.58 | maelstrom | what do the little debian icons next to packages in synaptic mean ? |
| 00:55.03 | DawnLight | will do. thanks |
| 00:55.11 | jetscreamer | probably that they're debian packages |
| 00:55.20 | jetscreamer | official main |
| 00:55.24 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
| 00:55.28 | maelstrom | so kde is not a debian package ? |
| 00:55.35 | JordiGH | maelstrom: Means they're installed. |
| 00:55.35 | jetscreamer | bad guess then |
| 00:55.51 | JordiGH | Uh, I think. |
| 00:55.54 | JordiGH | Maybe not. |
| 00:56.02 | jetscreamer | real men use dselect anyway |
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| 00:56.18 | amphi | JordiGH: if you're lazy, you can just use the debian config, and change the /proc acpi setting |
| 00:56.22 | JordiGH | aptitude search; aptitude install. |
| 00:56.40 | jetscreamer | make menuconfig sucks in config-`uname -r` |
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| 00:56.47 | amphi | JordiGH: don't forget to do 'make-kpkg --initrd blah' if you do that |
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| 00:57.04 | JordiGH | If all fails, I can always boot my old kernel. |
| 00:57.16 | jetscreamer | right, so hack away |
| 00:57.25 | vvd | what mediaplayer shows me artwork in mp3 files? |
| 00:57.38 | Facedown | yo |
| 00:57.42 | Facedown | i just got a thinkpad r61e |
| 00:57.43 | jetscreamer | windows media player... |
| 00:57.48 | Facedown | and there's Vista on it |
| 00:57.51 | Facedown | I have a net install for Debian |
| 00:57.55 | Facedown | will it get rid of windows? |
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| 00:57.59 | Facedown | i want to reformat the whole crap |
| 00:58.00 | Facedown | hd |
| 00:58.19 | jetscreamer | Facedown: you probably don't have free space, but yeah it will nuke it.. hey you can even use goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:58.24 | JordiGH | vvd: Rhythmbox does that. I have no idea where it downloads them from, but it does it. Amarok does it too, but you have to tell it to go fetch the image every time; won't do it by itself. |
| 00:58.24 | Facedown | eh? |
| 00:58.41 | jetscreamer | Facedown: you might make sure you create the restore cd's first, just in case |
| 00:58.46 | JordiGH | Facedown: goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 00:59.06 | abrotman | Facedown: yes .. it'll work fine |
| 00:59.08 | JordiGH | Facedown: And while you're wiping the hard drive, consider encrypting it. :-) The spooks have decided it's legal to search our hard drives. |
| 00:59.18 | amphi | JordiGH: yes; I would go to the trouble of making a proper config, once you go to the trouble of building your own kernel |
| 00:59.32 | vvd | JordiGH: it is possible to put images into the mp3 |
| 00:59.37 | jetscreamer | first they have to actually find the hard drive, right? |
| 00:59.57 | JordiGH | vvd: mp3s don't have images. I thought you wanted the mediaplayer to get images for the album the mp3 belongs to. |
| 01:00.07 | Grab | is that possible to start a screen and tell it to start irssi automatically? something like: screen -start: irssi ?? |
| 01:00.11 | jetscreamer | some warez comes with .jpg's of the covers |
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| 01:00.27 | nollidj | Grab: 'screen irssi' will start a screen running irssi |
| 01:00.37 | vvd | JordiGH: well, mp3 can have some sort of artwork in them, images |
| 01:00.54 | nollidj | for that matter, within a screen, 'screen xxx' will run 'xxx' within that screen |
| 01:00.57 | bush | Grab: better yet, screen irssi -c [server] |
| 01:00.59 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: They can order you to open up your laptop at an airport and search it. I'm encrypting the hard drive and disabling X when I get to the airport. Let them figure out bash if they want to look at my files. ;-) |
| 01:01.00 | jetscreamer | vvd: in which parallel reality? |
| 01:01.15 | jetscreamer | not counting steg |
| 01:01.18 | JordiGH | vvd: Is this a new version of mp3 I haven't heard of? mp3s don't have images. mp4 does. |
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| 01:01.57 | jetscreamer | oh, like that |
| 01:02.08 | jetscreamer | i quit going to the airport.. i even used to work at one. |
| 01:02.10 | vvd | ~jetscreamer, JordiGH: win the mp3 on this website http://www.harmonic313.com (little game) and youll get an mp3 with artowrk as shown here: http://666kb.com/i/avu97ekh9s7ts3li2.png |
| 01:02.20 | cloakable | :P |
| 01:02.22 | maelstrom | there is an option to install on an encrypted drive ... which i selected ... what was the term for that ? |
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| 01:02.38 | protoloco | to see the diferences of two files |
| 01:02.38 | protoloco | _ |
| 01:02.40 | protoloco | ? |
| 01:02.45 | jetscreamer | diff |
| 01:02.45 | JordiGH | protoloco: diff |
| 01:03.26 | maelstrom | encrypted lvm or something |
| 01:03.35 | nevyn | diff -u |
| 01:03.53 | jetscreamer | well it's not nec lvm is it |
| 01:03.56 | jetscreamer | or is it |
| 01:03.59 | JordiGH | vvd: I have no idea what you're showing me. mp3s don't have images in them. A website may choose to distribute image files together with mp3s and make your software transparently put the two together. |
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| 01:04.40 | JordiGH | And mp3 isn't a container format. Ogg, avi, and flv are. |
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| 01:04.55 | jetscreamer | mp3 is a container |
| 01:05.03 | jetscreamer | jsut not a video one |
| 01:05.05 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: What's the codec itself? |
| 01:05.20 | Tramp | JordiGH: it's sort of an id3v2 tag or something - but it's possible |
| 01:05.24 | vvd | JordiGH: hmm, ID3v2 tags (artist, album, title, track, year, genre, conmment and image [APIC ID3v2 frames]) |
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| 01:05.46 | jetscreamer | depends on what you put.. the possibilities are: (wait for search if you want) |
| 01:05.54 | JordiGH | Oh, id3 tags can hold images now? |
| 01:06.13 | vvd | seems like it :P |
| 01:06.17 | vvd | hehe |
| 01:06.21 | kractor | funniest moment of the day so far ... my 1yr old son rubbing a handful of chewed cookie into my wife's back ... :D |
| 01:06.23 | vvd | welcome to the future |
| 01:06.26 | jetscreamer | hmmm maybe i was wrung |
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| 01:08.09 | JordiGH | Does ID3v2 still have Primus as a genre? |
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| 01:10.25 | vvd | isnt it just anything you put into? |
| 01:11.08 | vvd | maybe i just dont know what you are saying :S |
| 01:11.17 | JordiGH | Well, ID3v1 had a predefined list of genres. You couldn't just write anything in it. I'm reading in Wiki about ID3v2 now. Also, "apt-cache search id3v2" gives promising results. |
| 01:11.17 | Facedown | lol |
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| 01:11.57 | protoloco | web01:/var/www/unibicate# tar --list backup_-_2008-02-01.tgz <--- this is listing me a bunch of files that are displayed so quickly, how can i handle them to put iin a file, and read it carefully ? |
| 01:12.02 | JordiGH | However, "apt-cache search id3v2 image" gives less promising results. |
| 01:12.12 | JordiGH | protoloco: pipe to less? |
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| 01:12.29 | JordiGH | protoloco: Or pipe to a file. |
| 01:12.43 | bolt | I set up apt with pinning in /etc/apt/preferences. The pinning seems to work, and apt does not try to update to testing. However, when I do aptitude -t testing install exim4 it still grabs the damn thing from stable. why? |
| 01:14.24 | JordiGH | protoloco: You do know how to pipe, right? :-) |
| 01:14.26 | abrotman | bolt: show us your sources and your preferences |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:14.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:15.28 | zoredache | is it just me, or is everyone getting an 'MD5Sum mismatch' error on http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 ? |
| 01:15.41 | JordiGH | zoredache: o.O |
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| 01:16.49 | bolt | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m476c8b0f |
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| 01:17.22 | abrotman | bolt: and apt-cache policy exim4 ? |
| 01:17.40 | bolt | abrotman: i thought -t was supposed to override that |
| 01:17.47 | bolt | what else does it do? |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | bolt: try it and see |
| 01:18.02 | bush | zoredache: no |
| 01:19.04 | zoredache | is there some form of caching or clustring on security.debian.org that would cause me to get an out-of-date copy of eeither the Release or the Packages.bz2? |
| 01:19.04 | bolt | abrotman: etch-backports has the highest priority. i kind of knew that... |
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| 01:19.13 | JordiGH | Hm, lleoliveirabr lied to us! They said they were running Debian testing. |
| 01:20.01 | bolt | abrotman: i wanted to override it using -t, which is supposed to "set the release from which packages should be installed". but aptitude doesn't listen |
| 01:20.05 | JordiGH | zoredache: Maybe a bad network situation, and you're just getting a truncated file? That's happened to me. Do the sizes match, if the md5sum don't? |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | bolt: you did do an aptitude update after doing the preferences? |
| 01:20.28 | jbt | what is the for PHP SimpleXML on debian? |
| 01:21.10 | bolt | abrotman: yep |
| 01:22.15 | zoredache | hrm... the sizes don't match |
| 01:22.33 | JordiGH | what it means in GNU/Linux, that is. |
| 01:22.42 | JordiGH | zoredache: You're getting a smaller file? |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | bolt: what is the output of apt-cache policy exim4 ? |
| 01:23.10 | zoredache | yes. I also noticed, that the date of the file seems to be wrong... |
| 01:23.43 | JordiGH | zoredache: Maybe a DNS server somewhere is pointing you to an old mirror? Try again tomorrow. |
| 01:23.44 | zoredache | when I wget the Packages.bz2 the file is showing as 1/29/08... |
| 01:24.01 | protoloco | <JordiGH> protoloco: Or pipe to a file. <-- I do know pipes.. how to pipe to a file ? |
| 01:24.58 | bolt | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m33bb1f79 |
| 01:25.19 | JordiGH | protoloco: "command > thefile" |
| 01:25.31 | jbt | what is the name for PHP simpleXML on debian? |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | bolt: and aptitude -t testing install exim4 ? |
| 01:25.55 | abrotman | bolt: i guess i should ask you for all of this at once :) |
| 01:26.27 | zoredache | JordiGH: thanks for the help... I just found the problem. Apparently the upstream transparent-proxy was getting in the way |
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| 01:27.03 | JordiGH | zoredache: Sure is better than an attack on Debian's security servers. ;-) |
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| 01:27.28 | bolt | http://pastebin.com/m772121e3 |
| 01:27.33 | bolt | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m772121e3 |
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| 01:29.09 | lleoliveirabr | tried to install debian with netinstall and when tried to confire network appeated can't configure dhcp protocol |
| 01:29.19 | lleoliveirabr | i use Notebook sony vaio |
| 01:29.38 | lleoliveirabr | tried to install with testing version |
| 01:29.41 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: And you have an ethernet cable attached to your lappy connected to a working network? |
| 01:29.55 | lleoliveirabr | yes wireless |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | he has no firmware |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | needs a wired connection |
| 01:30.11 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: No, no, not wireless, an ethernet cable. |
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| 01:30.26 | lleoliveirabr | no |
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| 01:30.29 | suwro | hello |
| 01:30.32 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: The Debian installer isn't going to do wireless. |
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| 01:30.47 | lleoliveirabr | bad to know |
| 01:30.51 | lleoliveirabr | what i need to do so |
| 01:31.04 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Attach an ethernet cable to your lappy. :-/ |
| 01:31.16 | suwro | If I run # lsof | grep REG |wc -l >> i get this error: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() reiserfs file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete. |
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| 01:31.23 | lleoliveirabr | but after i install, do the wireless will work |
| 01:31.26 | lleoliveirabr | ? |
| 01:31.34 | abrotman | bolt: well .. that makes no sense |
| 01:31.35 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Not by itself. You're going to have to tinker to get it working. |
| 01:31.52 | lleoliveirabr | but as i'm a newbie |
| 01:31.56 | lleoliveirabr | impossible |
| 01:32.06 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Well, depends if you want to learn or not. |
| 01:32.23 | bolt | abrotman: actually, apt-get install exim4/stable will downgrade exim4, while apt-get -t stable install exim4 wont do anything. apt-get install exim4/etch (the name i used in sources.list) says there's no exim4 in etch... |
| 01:32.27 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: If you're a newbie, you have no business in Debian testing anyways. ;-) |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | bolt: what about -t unstable ? |
| 01:32.49 | lleoliveirabr | i don't know what to so |
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| 01:32.51 | lleoliveirabr | do |
| 01:33.01 | bolt | abrotman: nada |
| 01:33.01 | lleoliveirabr | maybe forget lnux |
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| 01:33.09 | abrotman | bolt: doesn't try to install that either ? |
| 01:33.11 | lleoliveirabr | i thought was easier |
| 01:33.17 | bolt | abrotman: -t simply doesn't work, in apt-get nor in aptitude |
| 01:33.19 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Ubuntu will make it easier to install wireless. |
| 01:33.30 | lleoliveirabr | i tried ubunto |
| 01:33.35 | lleoliveirabr | has the same problem |
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| 01:33.38 | lleoliveirabr | had |
| 01:33.45 | bolt | abrotman: doesn't try to install anything |
| 01:33.46 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Which version of Ubuntu? |
| 01:33.48 | lleoliveirabr | will try ubunto again |
| 01:33.52 | lleoliveirabr | the last one |
| 01:33.53 | JordiGH | ubuntUU |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | JordiGH: does it matter? just let him go |
| 01:34.07 | lleoliveirabr | i need a help |
| 01:34.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: If I convert three more people to Linux, the cabal will give me a toaster! |
| 01:34.22 | lleoliveirabr | does the installation create a new partition automatically |
| 01:34.23 | christefano | that sounds like Ubuntu for Unitarian Universalists |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | JordiGH: then go to #ubuntu with him |
| 01:34.44 | lleoliveirabr | i can't lose the vista |
| 01:34.45 | lleoliveirabr | OS |
| 01:34.51 | JordiGH | badvista.org |
| 01:34.53 | JordiGH | Lose vista! |
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| 01:35.16 | JordiGH | lleoliveirabr: Try asking in #ubuntu about your problems. But the Ubuntu forums are probably less noisy than that channel. |
| 01:35.26 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 01:35.28 | lleoliveirabr | thanks |
| 01:35.34 | bolt | abrotman: i'm running etch, with all packages available in etch-backports taken from the backports, as per my pinning. no testing/unstable packages this far. exim4 doesn't work well in etch-backports, though, (it tries to kill the wrong pid at shutdown and fails) so i wanted to up/downgrade it, which caused me to find this issue |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | bolt: but the version in bpo is the same as the one in testing |
| 01:36.19 | protoloco | is 'scp' supports public key authentification ? |
| 01:36.33 | bolt | abrotman: yes. testing was just an example. i really want to get it from etch or unstable, whichever works. i was going to try both |
| 01:36.37 | JordiGH | protoloco: You mean with ssh keys? |
| 01:36.43 | JordiGH | protoloco: Sure. It's just like ssh. |
| 01:37.02 | xsdg | I've got a really weird fs problem: it says I'm out of space on a volume that's clearly not -- http://rafb.net/p/W3mPk841.html |
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| 01:38.02 | JordiGH | xsdg: No quotas in place? |
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| 01:38.22 | abrotman | xsdg: force an fsck ? |
| 01:38.29 | xsdg | JordiGH: how would I check? there shouldn't be, but I'm willing to double-check anything |
| 01:38.36 | JordiGH | Also, I forget if df thinks that reserved blocks are free or not. |
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| 01:38.40 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah, that's the next course of action |
| 01:38.52 | xsdg | JordiGH: dumpe2fs confirms that no blocks are reserved, and that there are free blocks |
| 01:38.56 | JordiGH | xsdg: Well, check if any quote packages are installed. I forget what they're called. |
| 01:39.12 | JordiGH | quota |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | bolt: nope .. totally stumped :) |
| 01:40.51 | JordiGH | Isn't it a little unsafe to have an ext2/3 filesystem without reserved blocks? Or is a reserved block different from a superblock? |
| 01:41.10 | xsdg | JordiGH: reserved blocks are blocks that only root can write to |
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| 01:41.19 | xsdg | JordiGH: you can't have an ext2 filesystem without superblocks :o) |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | wow |
| 01:41.24 | bolt | abrotman: i pinned the exim4 packages manually at 999 and lowered the priority of etch-backports to 888. that didn't help either. then i uninstalled exim4* and reinstalled it, and it got the files from stable |
| 01:41.36 | bolt | abrotman: -t still seems to not do anything though |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | is that what you wanted? |
| 01:41.43 | bolt | abrotman: but at least i have my exim4 version :) |
| 01:42.19 | JordiGH | xsdg: Right. I thought you could manually choose the spacing and number of superblocks. |
| 01:46.09 | JordiGH | Hah, Nautilius complains if you try to move an external drive to the trash can. |
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| 01:47.09 | suwro | does anibody know other apache protection than mod_security? |
| 01:48.36 | JordiGH | "You can't move the volume blah to the trash can. If you want to unmount the volume, please use 'Unmount Volume' in the popup menu of the volume." |
| 01:48.56 | JordiGH | Whoever thought that moving an external drive to the trash can made sense if you wanted to unmount it anyways? Stupid Apple. :-) |
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| 01:51.34 | suwro | umm - my mod_security2 module is not working any more - i get strange errors telling me that socket() failed: Too many open files (24); ulimit is unlimited and ulimit -a >> open files is 32768 - can somebody help? |
| 01:52.00 | abrotman | xsdg: did the fsck return anthing ? |
| 01:52.18 | xsdg | abrotman: still going (doing fsck -n so I don't have to kill everything) |
| 01:52.21 | suwro | also |
| 01:52.23 | suwro | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.31 | suwro | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() reiserfs file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete. |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | xsdg: how long does that take on 500GB ? :) |
| 01:52.42 | suwro | is it from my /dev ? |
| 01:52.44 | xsdg | abrotman: it turns out that I can append as much as I want, but I'm having trouble creating |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | xsdg: so it sounds like an inode issue ? |
| 01:53.36 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah, though dumpe2fs says I have free ones |
| 01:53.42 | xsdg | anyway, we'll see what fsck says first |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | xsdg: they're defective! |
| 01:53.59 | Aces1up | what is the best way to configure sendmail on my debian box so that i can send mail using my perl scripts? |
| 01:54.08 | Aces1up | or how do i configure it? |
| 01:54.12 | damog | is there any real way to remove a package without removing its dependencies? |
| 01:54.32 | JordiGH | damog: Forcing dpkg? |
| 01:54.39 | Flimzy | How can I propbe an ext2/3 FS for its block size? |
| 01:54.47 | JordiGH | Or is that not a real way? |
| 01:55.02 | damog | sane way |
| 01:55.04 | damog | hah |
| 01:55.43 | JordiGH | Wait, you mean removing the dependencies without removing the package that depends on them, right? |
| 01:55.47 | JordiGH | Other way around. |
| 01:56.02 | damog | removing a package without removing all its dependencies |
| 01:56.14 | techouse | Flimzy: df -h |
| 01:56.29 | techouse | or df -m |
| 01:56.30 | dkr | damog: you could mark the dependencies manually installed so they don't get removed whenyou remove the package they were installed as dependencies for |
| 01:56.33 | JordiGH | I guess you could create a new dummy version "updated" of the offending package that doesn't list dependencies, install it, and then remove it. |
| 01:56.47 | JordiGH | Oh, you mean with aptitude. |
| 01:56.52 | dkr | yeah |
| 01:56.53 | Flimzy | techouse: Ehh.. I don't think that's it. :) |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | damog: yes .. but you don't want to |
| 01:57.06 | bolt | how can I download the .deb files for every installed package on my system to the cache? (for transferring to a computer that's not connected to the internet) |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | wget |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | why?! |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | !tell bolt about reinstall |
| 01:57.34 | Flimzy | techouse: It looks like dumpe2fs does it, though... |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | bolt: and use --print-uris |
| 01:57.38 | Flimzy | I didn't know that even existed |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | bolt: instead of actually reinstalling |
| 02:00.41 | suwro | anyone use mod_security ? |
| 02:01.04 | jetscreamer | i had to go to work.. life's rough. back now. |
| 02:01.26 | suwro | i am having problems with mod-security on lenny - after last upgrade it is complaining about socket() too many files opened... |
| 02:02.33 | suwro | HELP |
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| 02:03.18 | abrotman | !bts |
| 02:03.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 02:05.49 | Aces1up | i'm a lil confused on how e-mail works in linux.. if i have a perl script that want to use sendmail to send outgoing notification messages, do i set up sendmail on my server to access my e-mail smtp servers? |
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| 02:06.39 | Aces1up | or is sendmail like a standalone type deal.. |
| 02:06.59 | jamieson | any idea why my amd64 kernel can only see 1GB of my 3.5GB (POST reports 2.6GB usable) |
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| 02:07.28 | jamieson | oops. ;-) i'm not booted into the right kernel. hehe |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | that'll do it! |
| 02:07.53 | abrotman | Aces1up: usualyl a smart host |
| 02:08.11 | jamieson | abrotman: :-) |
| 02:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | does someone by chance remember the maximum filesize on reiserfs? |
| 02:08.22 | jetscreamer | suwro: i don't remember but i think you echo something to something under /proc... i dimly remember that, but that's all |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: wikipedia |
| 02:08.34 | JordiGH | jamieson: 3.5 gigs? Why the weird number? Is the video card using some? |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | JordiGH: how is that weird? |
| 02:08.51 | jamieson | JordiGH: just what I had |
| 02:08.55 | jetscreamer | 3 1's and a .5? |
| 02:09.01 | abrotman | SO WEIRD! |
| 02:09.05 | jamieson | jetscreamer: right |
| 02:09.13 | JordiGH | I usually see power 2 multiples of 1 gig. I thought that was the usual size nowadays. |
| 02:09.29 | jamieson | it's actually 3.5GB with 1.2 GB allocated to video |
| 02:09.47 | jamieson | (two nvidia 8600GT's, SLI) |
| 02:09.53 | jetscreamer | then that's why you see 2.6 at least |
| 02:09.57 | suwro | jetscreamer: i did - /proc/sys/fs/file-max is 294976 |
| 02:09.59 | jamieson | right |
| 02:10.14 | Aces1up | abrotman.. sooo. if i want to send e-mail from sendmail on my box from perl programs.. i don't have to configure sendmail to use any external smtp servers right? |
| 02:10.24 | jetscreamer | suwro: no idea :/ ... i tried to google to jog my memory, but no luck |
| 02:10.27 | jamieson | JordiGH: if you have more ram, send it this way. ;-) i've got all four slots full now though |
| 02:10.32 | jetscreamer | !too many files open |
| 02:10.42 | jetscreamer | !sockets |
| 02:10.42 | dpkg | sockets are used for commmunication between processes. For an introduction to sockets, and more specifically to network programming with sockets, see http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/net/ |
| 02:11.17 | JordiGH | jamieson: I think my slots are already full... But you can never have too much RAM! I should investigate some day if I could get more than 4 gigs here. My card is eating up half a gig. |
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| 02:11.28 | jetscreamer | suwro: do check the bts like they said though |
| 02:11.38 | suwro | jetscreamer: ty |
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| 02:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: indeed... now I only got to find out which version it is :) |
| 02:12.09 | DawnLight | !kernel-compile-song |
| 02:12.09 | dpkg | i guess kernel-compile-song is "compiling a kernel and it's taking so long - what am i do do? - i can take a snooze or eat some shnooze - or sit here like a fool - watching the kernel compile's {fun,cool,sweet} - i just can't get enough of it - my back starts to ache so i better do some yoga - but i'm watching the kernel compile so i can't - i've some stuff to do, i'm procrastinating - but i'm watching the kernel compile so i can't" |
| 02:12.59 | suwro | if i downgrade from lenny to stable - do i loose some settings ? - can i do that remotely ? |
| 02:13.06 | JordiGH | !downgrade |
| 02:13.06 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 02:13.50 | jamieson | CutMeOwnThroat: reiserfs3 is the most common. debian has really poor support for 4. |
| 02:14.04 | jamieson | CutMeOwnThroat: so in other words 8TiB is max file size |
| 02:14.18 | JordiGH | How many LCs is that? |
| 02:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamieson: I wondered if 4GB max might be the case... |
| 02:14.27 | jamieson | XFS is a 64 bit filesystem though... but i'm a huge reiserfs3 fan |
| 02:14.47 | jamieson | CutMeOwnThroat: nope... limit for some systems (vfat) is 2GB though |
| 02:14.54 | jetscreamer | suwro: try #apache ? |
| 02:15.03 | suwro | apache2 |
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| 02:15.10 | jetscreamer | suwro: try #apache ? |
| 02:15.15 | jetscreamer | jfs > * |
| 02:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamieson: trying to copy whatever is readable of a 40GB (windows) drive to my drive... a 4GB limit would mean "do not bother" so thx |
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| 02:15.28 | abrotman | jamieson: it's hardly the most common |
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| 02:15.39 | abrotman | jamieson: whoops .. misread |
| 02:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamieson: according to wikipedia v.3.5 of reiser has a 4GB limit... |
| 02:15.51 | suwro | jetscreamer: can I have them both installed? |
| 02:15.53 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: if you have a 2.6 kernel . it's reiser3 |
| 02:15.54 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: http://fsinfo.noone.org/~abe/Bloedsinn/beatles.html |
| 02:16.03 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: all the lonely users. Where do they all come from? |
| 02:16.10 | suwro | jetscreamer: or goes to comflict themselves? |
| 02:16.12 | JordiGH | Eep! That was for DawnLight |
| 02:16.14 | JordiGH | DawnLight: ^^ |
| 02:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH: hehe |
| 02:16.35 | xsdg | abrotman: so, this probably won't be informative |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:17.40 | Aces1up | abrotman.. sooo. if i want to send e-mail from sendmail on my box from perl programs.. i don't have to configure sendmail to use any external smtp servers right? |
| 02:17.43 | xsdg | abrotman: fsck detected all sorts of invalid inodes, but it's in an area of the filesystem that I've been compiling something in, so it's possible it's related to the filesystem not being unmounted |
| 02:17.54 | abrotman | Aces1up: first of all .. don't use sendmail |
| 02:18.02 | xsdg | abrotman: where by "something," I mean "gran paradiso," so it's a _lot_ of files :o) |
| 02:18.13 | Aces1up | ok doke. |
| 02:18.26 | JordiGH | xsdg: why fscking a mounted filesystem? |
| 02:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, thanks, lets see what can be wrenched off that disk :) |
| 02:18.33 | abrotman | Aces1up: and secondly .. set it up for smarthost and point it at a real mailserver |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | xsdg: maybe time for a real fsck ? |
| 02:18.56 | Aces1up | abrotman, do you have a guide i can use for this? |
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| 02:19.05 | Aces1up | somewhere to read on how to do it? |
| 02:19.10 | xsdg | JordiGH: it's /home. I don't want to unmount it unless it's absolutely necessary |
| 02:19.13 | Aces1up | if not sendmail then what should i use? |
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| 02:19.30 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 02:19.30 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipient’s server. |
| 02:19.33 | xsdg | abrotman: but as it is, the summary has the answer, and it's a very sad answer |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | Aces1up: use exim4 or postfix |
| 02:19.40 | JordiGH | xsdg: fscking a mounted filesystem is not bound to be useful, and very dangerous if you actually let fsck modify it. |
| 02:19.44 | abrotman | xsdg: your system is dying? |
| 02:19.50 | Sakara | hi all, I would like to isntall debian onto my macbook. Busybox is the gui I would like to use. How do I do that? |
| 02:19.50 | xsdg | Free inodes count wrong (121023, counted=0). |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | doh |
| 02:19.58 | Aces1up | abrotman, how do those integrate with perl scripts? |
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| 02:20.19 | xsdg | abrotman: can I just tune2fs to get more inodes, or is thing going to Really Suck (TM)? |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | xsdg: is it really full? i'd do a real fsck |
| 02:20.36 | abrotman | Aces1up: ask #perl |
| 02:20.41 | Sakara | Pretty certain I can manage the install. Just stuck with choosing the display manager |
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| 02:20.54 | Sakara | how to set it up correctly |
| 02:20.55 | xsdg | abrotman: well, it's consistent with the behavior I'm seeing |
| 02:21.15 | abrotman | xsdg: however .. if you need more inodes really .. you're screwed |
| 02:21.22 | xsdg | :o( |
| 02:21.27 | DawnLight | JordiGH: i'm just starting to learn to play guitar. i'll crack my friends up with those songs |
| 02:21.59 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Your friends are teh g33xorz. |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | xsdg: but like i said .. i'd really do a full fsck |
| 02:22.32 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:22.35 | DawnLight | i love my firends |
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| 02:23.13 | xsdg | abrotman: fortunately, md0 is a RAID-1, so if worst comes to worst, it'll be painful but I won't have to find somewhere to stash 400 gigs of stuff |
| 02:23.34 | abrotman | xsdg: i guess that'll work |
| 02:23.42 | stiv2k | help, how come even though a file is chmod -rw-r----- and is not owned by me but i can still delete it? |
| 02:23.59 | xsdg | stiv2k: you have write perms on the containing directory |
| 02:24.31 | xsdg | stiv2k: the directory is how you see the file, so if you can modify the directory, you can make the file not-findable (which is what "delete" really means) |
| 02:24.47 | stiv2k | well |
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| 02:25.16 | stiv2k | it's a shared directory... i want other users to be able to see it and read it, but not be able to delete it or anything |
| 02:25.30 | stiv2k | like, they can only make modifications to their own files |
| 02:25.37 | Sakara | What are some light weight xdm's? |
| 02:25.43 | xsdg | stiv2k: look at the permissions for /tmp |
| 02:25.43 | abrotman | xdm is xdm |
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| 02:25.47 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 02:25.47 | dpkg | hmm... xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 02:26.09 | stiv2k | drwxrwxrwt |
| 02:27.23 | JordiGH | That's so much better than !start a wm war |
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| 02:27.53 | JordiGH | compiz isn't there! |
| 02:27.58 | JordiGH | Ah, it's in Others. |
| 02:28.05 | stiv2k | xsdg: what about it |
| 02:28.19 | xsdg | stiv2k: /tmp does what you want |
| 02:28.41 | xsdg | stiv2k: also, man chmod |
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| 02:33.05 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm out; looks like I misconfigured the fs when I created it (specifically, I told the debian installer I'd be using it to store large files) |
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| 02:33.24 | stiv2k | xsdg: but /tmp has like full permissions? |
| 02:33.30 | stiv2k | xdsg: drwxrwxrwt |
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| 02:33.35 | xsdg | stiv2k: note the "t" |
| 02:33.41 | abrotman | xsdg: DOH! |
| 02:33.42 | stiv2k | what is the t |
| 02:33.46 | stiv2k | nvm i will man it |
| 02:34.22 | xsdg | abrotman: I have another fs that's half the size and has about 100 times as many inodes |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | xsdg: aren't you supposed to be MIT smart or something? :) |
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| 02:35.08 | xsdg | abrotman: I'm learning by experience :oP |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:35.26 | stiv2k | xsdg: sticky? |
| 02:35.30 | stiv2k | xsdg: i thought sticky is +s |
| 02:36.10 | stiv2k | thats messed up |
| 02:36.16 | stiv2k | something is wrong |
| 02:36.36 | Sakara | Gnome, KDE, xfce? Are there other options? |
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| 02:36.59 | jetscreamer | !info icewm |
| 02:37.06 | jetscreamer | many |
| 02:37.08 | dpkg | icewm: (wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.33-1 (sid), Packaged size: 536 kB, Installed size: 1380 kB |
| 02:37.11 | nevyn | Salaman: ion ratpoison blackbox |
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| 02:37.24 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 02:37.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | Sakara: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:37.42 | Sakara | thanks mate |
| 02:37.43 | JordiGH | Sakara: Compiz by itself, without a desktop environment. |
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| 02:37.57 | Sakara | looking for leightwieght and usuable |
| 02:37.58 | Sakara | thats all |
| 02:38.03 | Sakara | no need for whistles and hooters |
| 02:38.07 | JordiGH | What's stew's called? |
| 02:38.10 | jetscreamer | icewm |
| 02:38.29 | JordiGH | No, the one stew is making to replace ion3. I always forget its name. |
| 02:38.38 | jetscreamer | the default theme sucks though |
| 02:39.04 | xsdg | Sakara: I like xfce |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | JordiGH: tritium |
| 02:39.25 | xsdg | Sakara: you don't actually need to desktop environment, though -- people are saying that you can run just the window manager and be fine |
| 02:39.27 | Sakara | how do you choose which to use in the install process? |
| 02:39.58 | Sakara | so choosing Desktop Enviroment in tasksel during install was wrong? |
| 02:40.13 | JordiGH | Sakara: You don't get much of a choice... you'd have to not choose not to install a desktop environment during the install and later manually pick the packages you want, starting with xorg. |
| 02:40.20 | JordiGH | Sakara: It will install Gnome. |
| 02:40.58 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks ass |
| 02:41.00 | Sakara | Ok do you suggest I start the install agian minus the Desktop Enviroemnts |
| 02:41.05 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:41.12 | jetscreamer | just uninstall whatever you don't want |
| 02:41.20 | Sakara | ok *nods* |
| 02:41.32 | jetscreamer | install whatever you do |
| 02:41.46 | jetscreamer | you can have many.. or all |
| 02:41.54 | jetscreamer | gnome,kde,xfce,et al |
| 02:41.58 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I actually asked tasksel what it installs with desktop-environment, and GNOME ISN'T THERE! Nor in any of the dependencies I could trace. I have no idea what's wrong there. |
| 02:42.03 | Sakara | only got 15Gb to play with mind you |
| 02:42.08 | jetscreamer | gnome stuff is, somehow |
| 02:42.19 | JordiGH | Sakara: Plenty of space. Even the greediest of Debian installs don't go over 6 gigs. |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | Sakara: 15GB is plenty |
| 02:42.28 | jetscreamer | Sakara: well you can install a few, remove what you don't like, try some more... |
| 02:42.35 | Sakara | sounds good to me |
| 02:42.52 | jetscreamer | money back guarantee even |
| 02:42.57 | Sakara | the last question is macbook wifi and debian? on a scale of 1 to 10 how painful is it to get it working? |
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| 02:43.17 | JordiGH | Sakara: I think William Stein had a pretty review of how that went. |
| 02:43.32 | JordiGH | Sakara: His review might be a bit old, though. |
| 02:43.42 | Sakara | good stuff I'll look into it. My macboko is a year old now though |
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| 02:44.07 | Sakara | thanks all for your help time to get to work |
| 02:44.31 | JordiGH | Man.. I was just gonna say.... http://modular.math.washington.edu/macbook/ |
| 02:45.34 | JordiGH | Oh, Stein used Ubuntu. Never mind. |
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| 02:51.56 | efaistos | hi |
| 02:52.20 | efaistos | do you know where to configre gdm to start automatically ? i can start wdm by example but not gdm |
| 02:52.59 | JordiGH | efaistos: Do you mean to start when you boot? |
| 02:53.08 | efaistos | yeah |
| 02:53.10 | JordiGH | efaistos: it should do that when you install the gdm Debian package. |
| 02:53.15 | efaistos | or even to start it after ... |
| 02:53.19 | JordiGH | efaistos: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 02:53.31 | efaistos | tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart and nothin |
| 02:53.46 | efaistos | but i chose it under dpkg-reconfigure to be default one |
| 02:53.50 | JordiGH | efaistos: How is it not running when you installed the gdm package? that's not default behaviour. |
| 02:53.50 | abrotman | efaistos: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 02:56.37 | efaistos | abrotman: have that already |
| 02:56.39 | efaistos | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 02:56.42 | efaistos | i have that |
| 02:56.45 | efaistos | in the log |
| 02:56.48 | abrotman | in a file in /etc/? |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | efaistos: which problem are you trying to solve? |
| 02:56.59 | efaistos | no /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:57.07 | efaistos | cant run gdm |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | AIGLX won't stop that |
| 02:57.15 | wols | abrotman: being able to read. pretty hard problem |
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| 02:57.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:57.25 | Aces1up | if when i use the mail command to send a test e-mail and i do not receive the test e-mail does that mean my sendmail is not configured correctly? |
| 02:57.33 | fireman233 | what is here? http://192.168.1.2 |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | fireman233: you need help |
| 02:57.48 | wols | efaistos: there is a symlink /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm |
| 02:57.53 | wols | or rather there should be |
| 02:58.04 | fireman233 | ya what is here http://192.168.1.2 |
| 02:58.07 | wols | fireman233: please read rfc1918 |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | fireman233: go away |
| 02:58.13 | fireman233 | what y |
| 02:58.29 | wols | fireman233: 192.168.1.2 is a non routable IP |
| 02:58.43 | fireman233 | huh? |
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| 02:58.54 | fireman233 | http://192.168.1.2 what does it say |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: do it yourself you lazy ass |
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| 02:59.00 | abrotman | fireman233: it's your network .. you tell us |
| 02:59.05 | amphi | JordiGH: all mine are without X ;) |
| 02:59.05 | fireman233 | will it only say that for me? |
| 02:59.08 | wols | JordiGH: it once upon a time had IIRC |
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| 02:59.14 | fireman233 | or if any1 goes there |
| 02:59.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: Well, I do when I need it. It just seems to be a basic config option. |
| 02:59.20 | fireman233 | will it ssay it |
| 02:59.21 | wols | fireman233: this IP only works for you yes, no one else |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | fireman233: do you have a debian question or not? |
| 02:59.38 | fireman233 | so if some1 goes there what do they see? |
| 02:59.38 | wols | fireman233: you are behind a router |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | fireman233: do you have a debian question or not? |
| 02:59.53 | wols | fireman233: they cannot go there. please answer abrotman |
| 03:00.04 | JordiGH | fireman233: 192.168.*.* is a non-routable IP. It's only for local networks, just like, 10.10* When you see a 10.10.* IP in movies, it's the equivalent of a 555-#### phone number in the US. |
| 03:00.09 | wols | fireman233: and note 192.168.1.2 has nothing to do with debian. |
| 03:00.18 | efaistos | hmmmm ... still the same |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's a fucking stupid analogy |
| 03:00.23 | fireman233 | What is debian? |
| 03:00.29 | abrotman | and incorrect |
| 03:00.37 | wols | fireman233: debian.org |
| 03:00.48 | fireman233 | huh what they sell |
| 03:00.54 | wols | abrotman: good luck explaining it to fireman233 so he can understand it |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | fireman233: please go troll another channel |
| 03:01.07 | JordiGH | fireman233: How did you find a Debian channel without knowing that Debian is? |
| 03:01.10 | fireman233 | huh? |
| 03:01.14 | wols | fireman233: stop trolling and read debian.org, if you continue to troll we will have to call ops |
| 03:01.29 | Nyle | hola |
| 03:01.31 | Nyle | que pasa |
| 03:01.34 | fireman233 | cause i went to opera and your channel was one of the top ones on the list |
| 03:01.41 | JordiGH | Nyle: I ain't no hola back girl. |
| 03:01.44 | fireman233 | so i clicked it |
| 03:01.48 | Nyle | holla* |
| 03:01.58 | abrotman | fireman233: try another one |
| 03:01.59 | JordiGH | Nyle: Stop confusing the issue with facts. |
| 03:02.07 | wols | #debian is a free linux distribution. read debian.org. Like MS WIndows but better |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | you'll confuse JordiGH if you use the truth |
| 03:02.19 | Nyle | #debian is an irc channel |
| 03:02.19 | fireman233 | I got vista |
| 03:02.25 | fireman233 | is it like vista |
| 03:02.28 | fireman233 | ? |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | !tell fireman233 about debian |
| 03:02.42 | wols | fireman233: this channel is a support channel for that distro. if you don't have a relevant question about debian: please leave |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | !tell fireman233 about why debian |
| 03:02.48 | wols | yes like vista |
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| 03:03.21 | fireman233 | How is it better? |
| 03:03.25 | centyx | Hi. How would I make etch NOT load usb-related kernel modules? |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | hehe .. i accidentally hit ctrl+p .. and i got a dialog i've never seen .. |
| 03:03.34 | abrotman | !tell centyx about blacklist |
| 03:03.36 | wols | fireman233: this is a debian support channel. stop trolling |
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| 03:03.41 | Nyle | centyx: black list the usb modules |
| 03:03.47 | Nyle | !blacklist |
| 03:03.47 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 03:04.04 | fireman233 | what do u mean by trolling? |
| 03:04.07 | centyx | thanks! |
| 03:04.14 | Nyle | fireman233: are you using debian linux? |
| 03:04.24 | wols | Nyle: he says he uses vista |
| 03:04.31 | smacnay | centyx, good luck - I followed the blacklist specs and had no luck - let me know if it works for you. |
| 03:04.36 | Nyle | fireman233: do you have any questions about debian linux? |
| 03:04.47 | Nyle | fireman233: if the answer is no, then kindly leave and join ##windows |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | smacnay: depends on the module ... |
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| 03:05.15 | JordiGH | Does Opera have an IRC client now? |
| 03:05.17 | Nyle | fireman233: if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, then fine, if not, join the appropriate channel |
| 03:05.19 | abrotman | JordiGH: yes |
| 03:05.22 | abrotman | has for quite some time |
| 03:05.23 | wols | JordiGH: unfortunately |
| 03:05.32 | fireman233 | ya were u get linux? |
| 03:05.38 | JordiGH | fireman233: goodbye-windows.com |
| 03:05.39 | centyx | smacnay: sure thing |
| 03:05.41 | wols | fireman233: www.debian.org |
| 03:05.43 | Nyle | !d-i fireman233 |
| 03:05.43 | dpkg | fireman233, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:06.00 | fireman233 | what is etch installwe? |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | oh for the love of god |
| 03:06.10 | Nyle | !tell fireman233 -about etch |
| 03:06.19 | wols | like current windows is called vista, current debian is called "etch" |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | you're all suckers |
| 03:06.32 | Nyle | and you are an asshole |
| 03:06.33 | Nyle | stfu. |
| 03:06.42 | fireman233 | huh? |
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| 03:06.58 | wols | abrotman: if someone wants to install debian he is allowed to. nothing we can do against it, even when it's a troll |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | shall we place bets? |
| 03:07.20 | fireman233 | i thot that it was linux? |
| 03:07.32 | wols | abrotman: we all know you're an asshole. there is no need to bet... |
| 03:07.33 | Nyle | fireman233: why are you here? |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | yeah .. that wasn't the bet |
| 03:07.48 | fireman233 | I came here to learn about this http://192.168.1.2 |
| 03:07.49 | craigevil | shoot him already, he doesntr run debian or have the faintest clue what linux is |
| 03:07.54 | Nyle | fireman233: join ##networking |
| 03:07.57 | fireman233 | because i went to irc |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | see |
| 03:08.04 | Nyle | fireman233: this is NOT the place for networking questions |
| 03:08.04 | fireman233 | and yours was 3rd |
| 03:08.08 | Nyle | fireman233: doesn't matter |
| 03:08.09 | wols | fireman233: and for that you are at the totally wrong place and no one can or will help you |
| 03:08.14 | Nyle | fireman233: you will not find any help here |
| 03:08.15 | Nyle | period. |
| 03:08.16 | Ububegin | fireman233 is working for windows... he came here to cause disruption |
| 03:08.16 | JordiGH | fireman233: Debian is an operating system. It's a variant of GNU/Linux. It's like Windows Vista, Windows XP, OpenBSD, and Mac OS X in that it's also an operating system. It takes full control of your computer, down to the hardware. It's free, meaning it tries to respect your freedom. It's also unix-like, meaning it's based on a very old operating system. |
| 03:08.20 | Gun_Smoke | Is it possible to have the clock sync with an Internet server? kde 3.5.8 |
| 03:08.22 | Nyle | enough |
| 03:08.30 | fireman233 | what is unix? |
| 03:08.30 | abrotman | !tell Gun_Smoke about set the time |
| 03:08.42 | Nyle | fireman233: its your mom |
| 03:08.50 | wols | !tell Gun_Smoke about ntpd |
| 03:08.50 | Nyle | ffs. |
| 03:08.51 | JordiGH | fireman233: Unix is a very old operating system. It was very widespread before the 1980's. |
| 03:09.03 | fireman233 | y is it still used now? |
| 03:09.07 | fireman233 | if it old |
| 03:09.09 | JordiGH | fireman233: Because it's good. :-) |
| 03:09.12 | fireman233 | oh |
| 03:09.13 | Nyle | oh god |
| 03:09.17 | wols | JordiGH: you talk a lot of wrong and sometimes outright stupid things |
| 03:09.19 | Gun_Smoke | wols: abrotman Thanks.. |
| 03:09.20 | Nyle | 22:07 Ignoring ALL from fireman233 |
| 03:09.31 | fireman233 | y what i do |
| 03:09.33 | fireman233 | ???? |
| 03:09.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: i thought you were going to stop? |
| 03:09.46 | wols | you know what you're doing. stop pretending |
| 03:09.53 | JordiGH | wols: Debian isn't unix-like? |
| 03:09.53 | Gun_Smoke | what is the command to ignore him? |
| 03:09.56 | fireman233 | wtf |
| 03:09.56 | Ububegin | debian channel is getting screwed up by fireman233.... :D |
| 03:09.58 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.04 | wols | Gun_Smoke: /ignore -all fireman233 |
| 03:10.12 | Gun_Smoke | thanks |
| 03:10.29 | fireman233 | fu i ignor u to |
| 03:10.37 | Cromag | !ops | fireman233 |
| 03:10.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cromag complains about: | fireman233 |
| 03:10.45 | fireman233 | ignore -all cromag |
| 03:10.48 | *** part/#debian fireman233 (n=opera@ip72-219-211-80.dc.dc.cox.net) |
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| 03:11.02 | fireman233 | y i leave? |
| 03:11.02 | abrotman | he can use ignore .. but not an irc client ? |
| 03:11.17 | wols | fireman233: cause an op made you leave. if you keep up your act you will get banned |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | wols: do i win ? |
| 03:11.37 | fireman233 | WHAT AM I DOING???? |
| 03:11.44 | fireman233 | THIS IS GAY |
| 03:11.57 | abrotman | then leave |
| 03:11.59 | simonrvn | hardly anything happy about it |
| 03:12.25 | fireman233 | FINE U PEOPLE R JERKS |
| 03:12.37 | fireman233 | I WILL U ALL SUCK AMD DONT HELP AT AL |
| 03:12.48 | Cromag | thanks |
| 03:12.50 | Cromag | i think |
| 03:13.06 | troubled | simonrvn: always fun night in here :) |
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| 03:13.20 | wols | acting like the kid you are gets you banned faster. please don't (or please do, depending what you want) |
| 03:13.35 | simonrvn | let him |
| 03:13.47 | wols | fireman233: behave like a rational beaing and don't be lazy. people have answered your questions so far. and some of them were very ignorant |
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| 03:13.57 | fireman233 | I AM A KID KIND OF |
| 03:14.06 | fireman233 | AT LEAST IM NOT A JERK |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | he's in #ubuntu now |
| 03:14.23 | fireman233 | ya maby they help more than u jerks |
| 03:14.25 | simonrvn | fireman233: that's nice. |
| 03:14.30 | Cromag | LoRez: sorry to bother, but, could you try again ? |
| 03:14.31 | abrotman | fireman233: then please leave |
| 03:14.53 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip72-219-211-80.dc.dc.cox.net] by LoRez |
| 03:15.19 | *** part/#debian fireman233 (n=opera@ip72-219-211-80.dc.dc.cox.net) |
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| 03:15.29 | Cromag | you are so kind :) |
| 03:15.35 | wols | fireman233: as a word of advice: when trolling #ubuntu: do NOT use a single swear word. they don't like this |
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| 03:16.00 | fireman2333 | I WILL LEAVE CAUSE U SAY PLEESE |
| 03:16.04 | simonrvn | ban evasion. smart. |
| 03:16.16 | fireman2333 | THANK U CROMAG FOR BEING POLIETE |
| 03:16.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | no .. not a troll at all .. you're right |
| 03:16.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@18.197.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] by mentor |
| 03:16.33 | *** kick/#debian [fireman2333!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 03:16.38 | simonrvn | noo, couldn't be a troll |
| 03:16.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 03:16.48 | simonrvn | not at all</sarcasm> |
| 03:17.03 | wols | yes folks, we know you're geniuses. no stop talking about that village idiot |
| 03:17.07 | wols | *now |
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| 03:17.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:17.13 | mentor | wols++ |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | again! hit him again! |
| 03:17.21 | fireman23333 | I CAN COME BAK MUCH AS I WANT |
| 03:17.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 03:17.27 | fireman23333 | IP GENERATOR |
| 03:17.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@124.217.230.221] by mentor |
| 03:17.32 | *** kick/#debian [fireman23333!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 03:17.44 | abrotman | can't you just ban "opera" for an hour ? |
| 03:17.48 | mentor | yes |
| 03:17.51 | mentor | and fireman |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | that too :) |
| 03:17.59 | simonrvn | can we get a kline? :) |
| 03:18.14 | mentor | I kinda want to kick him once more |
| 03:18.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:18.20 | Cromag | hehe |
| 03:18.26 | abrotman | viciously! |
| 03:18.34 | *** join/#debian fireman233333 (n=opera@78.129.139.90) |
| 03:18.38 | fireman233333 | Ok i stop now.. |
| 03:18.40 | fireman233333 | bye |
| 03:18.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@78.129.139.90] by mentor |
| 03:18.40 | *** kick/#debian [fireman233333!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 03:18.44 | simonrvn | /quote remove |
| 03:18.54 | abrotman | i bet he comes back again |
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| 03:19.09 | fireman23333333 | BYE FOREVER |
| 03:19.12 | abrotman | damn .. he tricked me |
| 03:19.13 | fireman23333333 | AND EVER |
| 03:19.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@70.85.112.58] by mentor |
| 03:19.16 | *** kick/#debian [fireman23333333!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 03:19.28 | wols | ip banning won't help mentor |
| 03:19.28 | mentor | This is kinda cathartic |
| 03:19.32 | mentor | I know |
| 03:19.46 | mentor | OK, I'm done :) |
| 03:19.50 | wols | there are more proxies than you have entries in a banlist. why not ban fireman* or such? |
| 03:19.50 | Cromag | 78.129.128.0/17 :D |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | Cromag: won't help ? |
| 03:19.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!?=opera@*] by mentor |
| 03:19.59 | Cromag | i know |
| 03:20.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b fireman*!*@*] by mentor |
| 03:20.10 | smacnay | This is like watching the precocious kid bugging his older sister. |
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| 03:20.34 | LoRez | wth |
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| 03:21.08 | smacnay | I have to say that I laughed at the "damn, he tricked me" line, abrotman. |
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| 03:21.52 | eshaase_ | i setup a new machine with x11vnc and when i use vncviewer to connect to the machine my mouse moves around ok but i can't click or enter my login to the screensaver, this works on my older machine and i have no way of explaining why this is hapenning, anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:21.55 | efaistos | abrotman: for the gdm stuff --> http://rafb.net/p/8Ze4Cn63.html |
| 03:22.16 | abrotman | efaistos: i thought you wanted it to start ? why are you removing it? |
| 03:22.32 | efaistos | tried to reinstall it ... |
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| 03:23.33 | mike_77 | Does anyone know about ISPConfig here? |
| 03:24.09 | JordiGH | efaistos: apt-get --reinstall install for when you need to reinstall. |
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| 03:24.33 | JordiGH | or aptitude reinstall |
| 03:24.52 | efaistos | Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. |
| 03:25.06 | mike_77 | Im having a problem getting it installed... http://pastebin.com/m4f132463 |
| 03:25.06 | efaistos | doenst want to start it ... |
| 03:25.18 | cizzi | re-compiling a kernel and selecting the hardware cpu in make menuconfig will result in faster processing? |
| 03:25.29 | mike_77 | The error is at the end |
| 03:25.30 | Cromag | am i to msg nickserv for hiding my host or what do i do there ? |
| 03:25.49 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite cizzi |
| 03:25.51 | simonrvn | ask freenode staff in #freenode |
| 03:25.59 | cizzi | lol |
| 03:26.03 | JordiGH | cizzi: Maybe. |
| 03:26.04 | mike_77 | Me? |
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| 03:26.11 | Cromag | simonrvn: for me ? |
| 03:26.21 | simonrvn | Cromag: yes |
| 03:26.26 | Cromag | simonrvn: thanks. |
| 03:26.44 | wols | cizzi: no |
| 03:26.53 | cizzi | wols - what are the benefits then? |
| 03:27.04 | wols | cizzi: bigger epenis |
| 03:27.14 | efaistos | X works it's just this annoying gdm who doesnt want to start |
| 03:27.16 | cizzi | wols - excuse me? |
| 03:27.35 | simonrvn | OMGLOLWTF mai kern4l is fastar!!!111oneone! |
| 03:27.42 | cizzi | lol |
| 03:27.46 | wols | the only valid reason I can see is to support hardware which stock debian kernel doesn't. to fix a bug that happens for you with stock kernel, etc |
| 03:27.56 | cizzi | wols : thanks |
| 03:28.22 | wols | but most of those things can be done with a backported kernel, no need to compile oneself |
| 03:28.45 | wols | some kernels don't exist for your cpu arch sometimes (k7). but the benefits there are mainly imaginary |
| 03:30.52 | wols | cizzi: did I mention I have a really big epenis? :) |
| 03:31.37 | Sambie | Wols, Usually when boys say that, it really means the opposite. |
| 03:31.42 | cizzi | lol |
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| 03:32.34 | abrotman | wols: you and hillary |
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| 03:37.18 | abrotman | wols: how do you know how big hers is? |
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| 03:40.50 | wols | abrotman: I didn't make any comments on hillarys magificient penis |
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| 03:41.12 | wols | all I care about is mine. mine mine |
| 03:41.50 | se7en | how do i go to install debian lenny with only kde |
| 03:42.02 | wols | you must be the one to know how big hers is, otherwise you couldn't make statements about hers and mine |
| 03:42.12 | wols | se7en: use the etch kde install cd |
| 03:42.17 | abrotman | se7en: install etch .. dist-upgrade |
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| 03:42.20 | wols | or simple don't install gnome on install |
| 03:42.26 | abrotman | erm :( |
| 03:42.31 | se7en | thanks |
| 03:42.39 | wols | abrotman: hillary is not a tax, just taxing |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | wols: no . i just did a rough estimate ... |
| 03:43.11 | wols | on hillary? you're gross |
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| 03:43.23 | abrotman | go wave your epenis |
| 03:45.10 | wols | won't be enough. not by a long shot |
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| 03:48.51 | Gruelius | Ive got data corruption on my ext3 array, can anyone cakewalk me to find the major issue? |
| 03:49.21 | Gruelius | 6 disk mdadm array, old disks, crap silicon image ide pci controllers, no UPS, not frequently updated |
| 03:49.28 | Gruelius | so there are many things, i cant figure out which tho :( |
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| 03:56.48 | Facedown | how do i locate vimrc |
| 03:57.06 | Facedown | tried like a thousand commands including grep and locate |
| 03:57.17 | abrotman | find / -name *vimrc* |
| 03:57.24 | Facedown | exactly like so? |
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| 03:58.06 | christefano | Facedown: either you have one in your home directory or you don't |
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| 03:58.14 | Facedown | oh. |
| 03:58.16 | christefano | Facedown: if you don't, create one at ~/.vimrc |
| 03:58.19 | abrotman | it would be .vimrc |
| 03:58.22 | Facedown | uhh |
| 03:58.27 | abrotman | i thought he meant a system one |
| 03:58.29 | Facedown | say i'm in vim |
| 03:58.37 | Facedown | how would i save it there? :w ~/.vimrc |
| 03:58.38 | abrotman | let's suppose |
| 03:58.40 | Facedown | like so? lol |
| 03:58.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:58.47 | christefano | yup |
| 03:58.55 | Facedown | what if i dont have access |
| 03:59.01 | Facedown | sometimes i get that no access thing |
| 03:59.09 | Facedown | for when i try to write at /var/www/ |
| 03:59.30 | wols | !tell Facedown about permissions |
| 04:00.04 | Facedown | i'll read up on permissions in a bit... i wont override anything will i |
| 04:00.09 | Facedown | oh wait, vim will tell me if i am |
| 04:00.21 | Facedown | are you sure vim doesnt create one by default? hrm |
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| 04:06.49 | mike_77 | Im having issues installing ISPConfig. Was wondering if anyone could help me... http://pastebin.com/m1f3aea53 is where the error starts and I have followed http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1677 as well. |
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| 04:10.03 | wols | mike_77: apt-cache search mysql |grep dev |
| 04:10.12 | wols | you need mysql client header files |
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| 04:12.03 | d0uglas | hi. i got 4 hard drives and i want to merge them into two pairs, one mirroring the other. Do i want to use software raid or lvm for this, and if raid, is that raid 1? thanks |
| 04:12.05 | d0uglas | (four 300gig drives, so 600gig total storage mirrored) |
| 04:12.15 | mike_77 | libtntdb-dev - Development headers for tntdb |
| 04:12.25 | mike_77 | Is the only thing for headers, is that it? |
| 04:14.54 | protoloco | i would like to log mysql-bin.00* for 20/30 minutos and then read it by another mysql server... (like benchmarking) how can i do that ? |
| 04:15.24 | DawnLight | !tell protoloco about raid |
| 04:16.18 | wols | mike_77: no it's not it |
| 04:16.42 | wols | libmysqlclient15-dev - MySQL database development files |
| 04:16.59 | inimino | d0uglas: that's raid 1+0 aka raid 10 |
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| 04:17.14 | mike_77 | wols, Ok I seen that, but wasnt sure. Thanks |
| 04:17.23 | protoloco | DawnLight, raid ? i know what is raid... |
| 04:17.58 | protoloco | DawnLight, i think you're missunderstanding.. |
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| 04:19.37 | Facedown | is it possible to have a user other than root, who when types in `whoami` gets the response `root` ? |
| 04:19.50 | Facedown | in this case, i dont know wtf i did when i installed a couple hrs ago but my username is facedown and whoami gives me root |
| 04:19.57 | Facedown | i dont wanna be root |
| 04:20.53 | mike_77 | Facedown, You should sign in as the other user you specified when you login |
| 04:21.14 | wols | Facedown: yes. if the use has UID 0, no matter what the user is called |
| 04:21.33 | wols | Facedown: your prompt, is it a # or a $ ? |
| 04:21.43 | Facedown | heres the catch |
| 04:21.45 | Facedown | when i go to terminal |
| 04:21.47 | Facedown | it says |
| 04:21.56 | Facedown | the application /usr/bin/x-terminal/emulator lets u modify essential parts of system |
| 04:21.58 | Facedown | dont know wtf thats supposed to do |
| 04:22.03 | Facedown | but i enter the administrative password .. |
| 04:22.07 | Facedown | remember pass, save for this session |
| 04:22.15 | Facedown | whoami : root |
| 04:22.21 | Facedown | its a # |
| 04:22.23 | wols | Facedown: what debian version do you use? |
| 04:22.28 | Facedown | the latest netinstall |
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| 04:22.33 | Facedown | downloaded yesterday |
| 04:22.38 | wols | there is no "latest". it has a version number |
| 04:22.44 | Facedown | hm |
| 04:22.52 | wols | Facedown: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 04:23.12 | Facedown | 2.3.6.dsl-l3etch4 |
| 04:23.25 | Facedown | how on earth do you guys remember these commands |
| 04:23.26 | Facedown | wtf.. |
| 04:23.29 | wols | and what is the menu entry named where you open this x terminal emulator? |
| 04:23.41 | Facedown | Terminal ? |
| 04:23.47 | Facedown | debian: /home/facedown |
| 04:23.58 | Facedown | debian: /home/facedown# whoami |
| 04:23.58 | Facedown | root |
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| 04:24.01 | wols | what you have is a root terminal. there is not a ordinaly one |
| 04:24.06 | Facedown | lol |
| 04:24.07 | wols | *ordinary one |
| 04:24.11 | macabro22 | Hello |
| 04:24.22 | wols | after you enterd admin password, of course you are root. would be bad if you weren't |
| 04:24.25 | inimino | you should not have to enter a password to open a terminal emulator |
| 04:24.26 | macabro22 | I can't find help anywhere else |
| 04:24.41 | macabro22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.48 | Facedown | opened the wrong terminal |
| 04:24.59 | wols | !tell macabro22 about alsa checklist |
| 04:25.02 | inimino | yeah, aim for the one that doesn't say "root terminal" |
| 04:25.05 | Facedown | wow, wtf.. |
| 04:25.10 | Facedown | i thought i just heard a Seal die or something |
| 04:25.21 | Facedown | weird ass noise |
| 04:25.30 | Facedown | if i'm not here in 5 mins, someone killed me |
| 04:26.54 | mike_77 | O_o |
| 04:27.01 | macabro22 | wols: just installed Alsa from source (i NEED to -- my sound card isn't well supported by the repo version) and I think the module isn't being loaded properly. No sound devices are being detected. Can someone help me ensure the ALSA module is loaded ? |
| 04:27.04 | macabro22 | ops |
| 04:27.10 | macabro22 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:29.41 | freezer_ | hi |
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| 04:30.01 | up_the_irons | hello #debian |
| 04:30.19 | up_the_irons | Is it safe not to back up this directory: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:30.20 | up_the_irons | ? |
| 04:30.33 | freezer_ | I don't get it -- if i reinstall my vserver and first time log in and install openvpn + start it, it works fine. |
| 04:30.35 | up_the_irons | i mean, it's just cached .deb's, right, will be regenerated? |
| 04:31.06 | freezer_ | after a reboot i get this error: Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: Permission denied (errno=13) |
| 04:31.30 | inimino | I believe it's safe to not back up all of /var/cache |
| 04:31.32 | freezer_ | i can reproduce this behaviour :( |
| 04:32.03 | freezer_ | and it looks like it has nothing to do with permissons at all, tried to set it to 777 etc. no effect |
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| 04:32.10 | inimino | up_the_irons: if there's anything in /var/cache/ that needs to be backed up, that's a bug |
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| 04:32.26 | up_the_irons | inimino: ah, i c |
| 04:34.15 | up_the_irons | inimino: i just moved my /var/cache/apt to ~ |
| 04:34.20 | up_the_irons | inimino: and did sudo apt-get install fortune |
| 04:34.34 | up_the_irons | inimino: and it complaints that /var/cache/apt isn't there, interestingly enough |
| 04:34.38 | up_the_irons | inimino: does not recreate it |
| 04:34.39 | wols | macabro22: modprobe the module, lsmod to see if it is. what else is there to do? |
| 04:35.02 | wols | up_the_irons: the directory must be there |
| 04:35.05 | inimino | up_the_irons: it may expect the directory to exist |
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| 04:35.08 | wols | but it can be empty without a problem |
| 04:35.15 | up_the_irons | wols: ok |
| 04:35.19 | wols | you can delete files but not change the dir structure |
| 04:35.37 | up_the_irons | inimino: ok, so i shouldn't just ignore /var/cache from my rsync, i'll have to pick and choose which directories are excluded |
| 04:35.49 | up_the_irons | wols: ok |
| 04:36.42 | mike_77 | wols, I appreciate the help. Thank you. It seems to be going further into the install, slow, but it is going. Im prolly going straight to bed when this is done |
| 04:37.30 | up_the_irons | wow, #debian sure has a big modeline ;) |
| 04:38.04 | freezer_ | no one can help me? |
| 04:38.28 | freezer_ | how can i check that the tun interface works properly? |
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| 04:41.20 | grendal_prime | hey guys occationally i get a movie that i cant encode with acidrip...(my backups of course) i get this error AcidRip message - |
| 04:41.32 | grendal_prime | oops |
| 04:41.37 | grendal_prime | AcidRip message - Can't read DVD track. Faulty Disc? |
| 04:41.48 | grendal_prime | it plays just fine in the dvd player |
| 04:41.53 | grendal_prime | and no its not dirty... |
| 04:42.17 | grendal_prime | im assuming it has some sort of well copy protection on it?? its just every now and again i get this. |
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| 04:47.38 | grendal_prime | heloooooooo? |
| 04:47.41 | macabro22 | Hello I tried to install ALSA from source and broke my audio ( I did because my microphone wouldn't work). Now I can't seem to undo what I did. Sudo make unistall wont do. If I use the live CD sound works. How can I fix that please? I ve been looking fo a fix all day. Can someone please help me out? |
| 04:48.15 | grendal_prime | alsa from source ick...what was wrong with the package? |
| 04:48.39 | grendal_prime | did you use the alsa mixer and try turning the mic ..vol up? |
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| 04:49.03 | macabro22 | grendal_prime: yeah. It is a bug with alsa 1.0.14 |
| 04:49.10 | grendal_prime | where in the hell is everyone? |
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| 05:02.06 | screamingbytes | and there goes the rest |
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| 05:04.33 | screamingbytes | h3xis: you missed the impact on my screen :) |
| 05:04.58 | h3xis | haha |
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| 05:07.02 | DawnLight | i've backported 2.6.24 so that my wireless card will work and now i indeed have an interface for it but i can't bring it up using ifconfig. do i need a newer networking userland for this kernel? |
| 05:07.55 | Kevin` | DawnLight is this a broadcom wireless card? |
| 05:08.14 | DawnLight | Kevin`: rt25somehing |
| 05:08.20 | Kevin` | DawnLight check dmesg |
| 05:08.56 | DawnLight | phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware. |
| 05:09.15 | DawnLight | apparently it is expecting firmware |
| 05:09.22 | Kevin` | apparently so |
| 05:09.29 | DawnLight | there's something... |
| 05:10.01 | Kevin` | usually it goes in /lib/firmware btw, when you find the file |
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| 05:11.42 | rubeez | i am running lenny x64 on a GA-P35-DS3L board and E2140 CPU but was not able to get cpufreq working...any suggestion on how to troubleshoot is greatly appreciated |
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| 05:15.55 | huhlig | curious is there a private alternative software to sourceforge? |
| 05:16.03 | huhlig | something I can put on an internal server |
| 05:17.17 | Kevin` | huhlig i've seen trac used a lot for that. dunno :) |
| 05:17.24 | huhlig | trac? |
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| 05:19.14 | huhlig | oOo, trac huh |
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| 05:24.02 | tremby | it'd sometimes be useful to have a very quick way to move a file but leave behind a symbolic link. there doesn't seem to be such a switch for mv, is there some other little program which does this or should i write my own little script? |
| 05:24.30 | GhostInTheShell | huhlig: you can try GForge |
| 05:24.36 | huhlig | GForge? |
| 05:24.57 | huhlig | any particular reasons? |
| 05:24.58 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:25.04 | jetscreamer | NOOOOO |
| 05:25.16 | huhlig | jetscreamer, ? |
| 05:25.17 | jetscreamer | if it's what i remember, gforge dind't uninstall |
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| 05:25.27 | huhlig | um... ok |
| 05:25.30 | jetscreamer | but that wa a while ago, nm |
| 05:25.31 | GhostInTheShell | lol |
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| 05:26.02 | jetscreamer | that package was hell |
| 05:26.08 | GhostInTheShell | huhlig: i think there is a demo account in their main site, so you can try the functionality before downloading and installing the software |
| 05:26.12 | huhlig | ok |
| 05:26.19 | cizzi | if I have port 22 forwarding to a machine in my router and i want to forward another port to another machine, is there anything special i need to do other that update sshd_config and /etc/services and my router config? |
| 05:26.21 | huhlig | I have a VPS for testing anyhow |
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| 05:27.45 | cizzi | for some reason it didnt work, i even tried a port > 1024 |
| 05:27.52 | cizzi | thinking under 1024 were reserved ports |
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| 05:33.45 | tremby | cizzi: it'd be simplest to forward another port to port 22 on that other machine |
| 05:34.02 | tremby | cizzi: most routers let you do that |
| 05:34.44 | cizzi | tremby - i ahve an older model of linksys g |
| 05:34.53 | Kevin` | cizzi what model? |
| 05:35.03 | cizzi | wrt54g |
| 05:35.16 | Kevin` | cizzi install openwrt/linux on it |
| 05:35.23 | cizzi | heh |
| 05:35.31 | Kevin` | full power of iptables then |
| 05:35.36 | cizzi | i've installed debian on my linksys slug.. nslu2 |
| 05:35.39 | cizzi | is it similar? |
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| 05:35.58 | Kevin` | cizzi it's a much more stripped down distro focused on routing |
| 05:36.14 | cizzi | i would over-write the ROM in the router? |
| 05:36.18 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 05:36.32 | cizzi | then I can forward any requet to anywhere? |
| 05:36.36 | cizzi | request |
| 05:36.42 | Kevin` | among other things. |
| 05:36.54 | cizzi | in the event i want to restore the rom can I? |
| 05:36.57 | cizzi | to factory |
| 05:37.00 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:37.10 | cizzi | where would it find the original rom |
| 05:37.13 | cizzi | from the website? |
| 05:37.16 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:37.25 | cizzi | ok sounds goood let me start reading.. where do I go |
| 05:37.38 | Kevin` | cizzi moment |
| 05:37.43 | cizzi | allright |
| 05:38.40 | Kevin` | cizzi http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware - find your specific version of the router on here (details for identification are on the page for it) and make sure it has at least 4mb rom, otherwise it's harder to do things |
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| 05:38.57 | Kevin` | cizzi the older ones from linksys are better |
| 05:38.58 | cizzi | allright thanks alot Kevin` |
| 05:39.20 | cizzi | so the router model i have |
| 05:39.23 | cizzi | cannot do what i need? |
| 05:39.26 | cizzi | i need to install this rom? |
| 05:39.47 | Kevin` | oh it probably can do what you need, it just sucks compared to a real linux distro :) |
| 05:39.57 | cizzi | so this will have a kernel? |
| 05:39.59 | cizzi | on the router |
| 05:40.03 | cizzi | which i can ssh to? |
| 05:40.07 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:40.12 | cizzi | does it use iptables |
| 05:40.16 | Kevin` | yes |
| 05:40.22 | cizzi | so i set rules |
| 05:40.27 | cizzi | for outgoing packets |
| 05:40.40 | cizzi | sounds good |
| 05:40.42 | cizzi | thanks |
| 05:41.04 | Kevin` | get kamikaze 2.4, not 2.6, if you want good wifi support |
| 05:41.15 | Kevin` | the original binary wifi driver from broadcom only works in 2.4 |
| 05:41.16 | cizzi | i have 4 ports which are all used |
| 05:41.22 | cizzi | and i use wifi for several comptuers |
| 05:41.26 | cizzi | including windows systems |
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| 05:41.31 | cizzi | so i cant mess anything up |
| 05:41.34 | cizzi | i will read alot first |
| 05:42.00 | Kevin` | cizzi another fun thing about those, the switch in them supports vlans, so you can segment different ports off if desired |
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| 05:44.06 | cizzi | i have 2mb rom and 8mb ram |
| 05:44.10 | cizzi | just checked my ver # |
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| 05:46.15 | cizzi | Kevin` - and actually it says NOT supported |
| 05:46.19 | cizzi | so I don't think i can use it |
| 05:46.25 | cizzi | i will just buy a new router eventually |
| 05:46.26 | Kevin` | cizzi which version do you have |
| 05:46.33 | cizzi | 6.0 |
| 05:47.08 | Kevin` | cizzi you CAN run it, it will just be limited because of the storage size |
| 05:47.17 | cizzi | yeah i wouldnt like that either |
| 05:47.46 | Kevin` | I thought you said you had an old one ;p |
| 05:47.53 | cizzi | i do |
| 05:47.56 | cizzi | well not that old |
| 05:48.07 | cizzi | but it serves about 8 computers right now |
| 05:48.11 | cizzi | so it needs to work well |
| 05:48.20 | Kevin` | all the consumer vendors seem to get cheaper with later models |
| 05:48.54 | huhlig | well gforge would be nice |
| 05:48.57 | cizzi | another option.. can I tunnel request from my port 22 internally to another machine |
| 05:48.58 | huhlig | if it insktalled cleanly |
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| 05:49.03 | cizzi | instead of having 2 external ports open |
| 05:49.07 | Kevin` | some of the earlier ones had 4x the specs, removable cards, etc |
| 05:49.13 | wols | cizzi: yes |
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| 05:49.47 | wols | if you want to ssh services litening you need 2 open ports however |
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| 05:50.01 | cizzi | 1 internal |
| 05:50.04 | cizzi | and 1 external |
| 05:50.18 | cizzi | well |
| 05:50.19 | cizzi | no |
| 05:50.21 | cizzi | 2 internal |
| 05:50.23 | cizzi | and 1 external |
| 05:51.31 | Kevin` | cizzi if you ever do buy another one, make sure it's on that list and/or from one of the higher end vendors that have stated linux support |
| 05:51.56 | cizzi | Kevin` - yes definately |
| 05:51.57 | cizzi | thanks |
| 05:52.09 | cizzi | what brand other than linksys you recommend |
| 05:52.13 | cizzi | as far as high quality router |
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| 05:52.59 | Kevin` | cizzi look at companies like soekris, pcengines, mikrotik, etc (there's a good one I can't remember :(), linksys is definitely not high end :) |
| 05:53.25 | cizzi | cool |
| 05:53.28 | cizzi | i thought linksys was good |
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| 05:54.02 | Kevin` | wait unitl you see devices with actual specifications, removable storage, etc :) |
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| 05:55.10 | cizzi | sounds good |
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| 06:03.36 | DebIAK | I'm having a problem with postgresql after updating. "psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory" |
| 06:03.48 | DebIAK | I've tried removing, purging and reinstalling, but no luck. |
| 06:03.57 | DebIAK | Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get postgres loading again? |
| 06:04.03 | cizzi | dpkg --purge right? |
| 06:04.23 | DebIAK | Yes. |
| 06:04.36 | cizzi | and you apt-get install ... |
| 06:04.40 | cizzi | ? |
| 06:05.03 | DebIAK | Right. It loads postgresql-8.3 in, but it won't start. |
| 06:05.12 | cizzi | did you locate the bin? |
| 06:05.18 | cizzi | locate post... | grep bin |
| 06:05.19 | cizzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.43 | protoloco | i would like to log mysql-bin.00* for 20/30 minutos and then read it by another mysql server... (like benchmarking) how can i do that ? |
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| 06:12.14 | DebIAK | Cizzi- I'm updatingdb, so locate will work. |
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| 06:12.33 | BloodThirsty | http://www.1badassbird.org/modules.php?name=Java&file=hallsofillusions |
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| 06:12.36 | DebIAK | I appreciate the advice. |
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| 06:17.32 | DebIAK | No go. I'll try --purge again, then rming all files that locate turns up. |
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| 06:19.06 | ganesh | hi, even making a partition through ubiquity , im not able to install on the created partition , why |
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| 06:21.19 | DebIAK | for i in `locate *postgres*`;do rm $i; done |
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| 06:22.40 | hatter | how likely is it after an intrusion that something like rkhunter that hdant been isntalled yet would be ineffective ? |
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| 06:24.36 | ganesh | hi, even making a partition through ubiquity , im not able to install on the created partition , why |
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| 06:33.24 | ganesh | hi, even making a partition through ubiquity , im not able to install on the created partition , why |
| 06:34.50 | DawnLight | ganesh: what is ubiquity? |
| 06:34.57 | DawnLight | !ubiquity |
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| 06:35.30 | ganesh | ubiquity , its a package which install the filesystem from live cd |
| 06:37.28 | wantok | ganesh: your using ubuntu i take it |
| 06:37.53 | ganesh | wantok, ha |
| 06:38.00 | ganesh | wantok, yes |
| 06:38.17 | DawnLight | !tell ganesh about ubuntu |
| 06:38.19 | wantok | ganesh: i think #ubuntu would be the correct place for your question |
| 06:39.10 | wantok | and no, its not 'close enough' - ubiquity isnt in debian at all |
| 06:39.25 | ganesh | wantok, but i am not getting answer from there #ubuntu thats why i posted the question here |
| 06:39.50 | DawnLight | !tell ganesh about debian |
| 06:39.51 | consfearacy | ganesh, everyone is sleeping at this time of day |
| 06:40.01 | wantok | ganesh: why would people here know? *ubiquity isnt in debian* |
| 06:40.05 | wantok | *at all* |
| 06:40.18 | ganesh | consfearacy, then what to do |
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| 06:40.30 | consfearacy | ganesh, come back in 9 hours |
| 06:40.33 | ganesh | wantok, that i want to make it out in debian also |
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| 06:41.38 | ganesh | wantok, i made a live cd for debian as well i installed the ubiquity there |
| 06:41.57 | wantok | ganesh: then its your problem - your not even using debian |
| 06:42.02 | wantok | !tell ganesh about based on |
| 06:42.18 | NetEcho | Network boot under the getting debian section is the netinst right? |
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| 06:42.21 | hatter | how do i do an md5 check on all the files on the system ? reference externally ? |
| 06:42.24 | kractor | that's got to get annoying after awhile, all the ubuntu questions |
| 06:42.29 | consfearacy | !tell consfearacy about based on |
| 06:42.29 | NetEcho | nm |
| 06:42.37 | wantok | kractor: it is rather |
| 06:42.47 | ganesh | wantok, based on debain only |
| 06:43.31 | DawnLight | ganesh: come back after you've succesfully installed debian |
| 06:43.44 | simonrvn | !msg the bot |
| 06:43.44 | dpkg | it has been said that msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 06:44.03 | NetEcho | how is it possible to not successfuly install debian? |
| 06:44.17 | NetEcho | Debian is by far one of the more user friendly distros I've seen |
| 06:44.21 | ganesh | DawnLight, ok |
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| 06:44.32 | wantok | NetEcho: by munging together your own install media |
| 06:44.40 | NetEcho | ah |
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| 06:45.05 | NetEcho | debian-40r2 is etch right? |
| 06:45.11 | wantok | yep |
| 06:45.12 | DawnLight | NetEcho: debian doesn't make proprietary drivers work out of the box and ubuntu does |
| 06:45.38 | NetEcho | DawnLight I've found debian installs perfectly even on my laptop which has issues with other distros |
| 06:45.52 | NetEcho | I think the only thing that wasn't working was the Wifi driver |
| 06:46.01 | kractor | no issues here either with the install |
| 06:46.01 | DawnLight | exactly |
| 06:46.08 | NetEcho | which at the time there was no ported driver for it |
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| 06:46.29 | NetEcho | some Intel developer was working on it but it was only in the alpha releases |
| 06:46.49 | DawnLight | when it comes to debian... /me's in love |
| 06:47.05 | NetEcho | yea debian is pretty sexy |
| 06:47.25 | NetEcho | gonna have to brush up on apt again but meh |
| 06:47.39 | DawnLight | aptitude |
| 06:48.13 | NetEcho | thats the gui frontend right? |
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| 06:49.04 | DawnLight | fullscreen text-mode i'd call it |
| 06:49.08 | NetEcho | oh yea I know apt-get is an awesome package manager |
| 06:49.16 | NetEcho | whats the X windows frontend for it? |
| 06:49.28 | DawnLight | aptitude isn't for x |
| 06:49.32 | wantok | synaptic? |
| 06:49.38 | NetEcho | ah yes |
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| 06:49.53 | DawnLight | synaptic blah |
| 06:49.57 | NetEcho | crappy? |
| 06:50.03 | DawnLight | too gui |
| 06:50.24 | NetEcho | yea the reason I wanna look at is cause a buddy of mine was having issues so I wanna get a bit familiar with it |
| 06:50.56 | DawnLight | pakcage management wit teh kiburd 00nly |
| 06:51.08 | NetEcho | lol |
| 06:51.13 | NetEcho | I usualy run in Shell anyway |
| 06:51.28 | DawnLight | mice and packages don't mix |
| 06:51.35 | NetEcho | right now I'm gonna install under a virtual environment to get used to using linux again before I buy the parts for my server |
| 06:51.43 | DawnLight | tell your friend about aptitude |
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| 06:52.03 | NetEcho | apt-cache is for searching right? |
| 06:52.21 | h3xis | apt-cache search <name> yes |
| 06:52.21 | DawnLight | NetEcho: yes. you better go over the reference |
| 06:52.38 | NetEcho | will do |
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| 06:54.05 | NetEcho | I was gonna install LFS but then I decided why bother with about 2 days of work when Debian can be installed in a short amount of time |
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| 06:55.19 | NetEcho | hopefully it detects the vmware network adapter |
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| 06:56.18 | NetEcho | hrm |
| 06:56.36 | NetEcho | cause if so I can run the vm on the laptop |
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| 07:03.04 | PaloAlto | hello |
| 07:03.16 | PaloAlto | im having trouble with java |
| 07:03.52 | PaloAlto | if i set up alt as follows : sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /home/aucampia/j2sdk1.4.2_16/bin/java 1 |
| 07:03.58 | PaloAlto | and try to install sun studio |
| 07:04.02 | PaloAlto | i get error |
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| 07:04.15 | PaloAlto | saying it cant find JDK1.4.2 |
| 07:04.19 | PaloAlto | any advice ? |
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| 07:05.20 | jetscreamer | who was asking about pictures and id3 tags yesterday? |
| 07:05.26 | jetscreamer | seems to work |
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| 07:08.16 | rha_ | hi all |
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| 07:09.18 | shamrock | I have 4 debian machines in total. one at hone as a development machine, another as a 24x7 mailserver and web server, one at work (private office) and my notebook. Is this a good time to think about looking into using LDAP? I would be interested in anyones comments. Specifically, about it all working if the 24x7 server is down or there is no net access from any machine. |
| 07:09.39 | Aces1up | how do i test to see if my sendmail is working? |
| 07:10.16 | Aces1up | i used the mail command to send an e-mail but did not get it.. |
| 07:10.24 | wols | 1st rule of sendmail: you don't use sendmail |
| 07:10.31 | wols | check your logs |
| 07:10.31 | Aces1up | i looked in the mail.log file and it says the relay was 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:10.40 | Aces1up | and that is was sent. |
| 07:11.23 | Aces1up | so thats the only thing that look strange.. well what should i configure, I basically want to be able to send notifications of specific things in a script i am writing via e-mail. |
| 07:11.38 | Aces1up | or what e-mail should i use for this type of thing? |
| 07:11.54 | wols | you already had exim installed for example |
| 07:12.09 | wols | exim or postfix usually |
| 07:12.35 | Aces1up | ok, how do i tell if that is working properly on my system? |
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| 07:14.22 | grendal_prime | dvd copy protection stuff blows...and sucks... actually it doesnt even do that ..at least that would be usefull |
| 07:15.05 | wantok | Aces1up: email gets sent? |
| 07:15.07 | grendal_prime | copy-protect-dvd |
| 07:15.07 | harpal | Hey I have debian machine and when I set proxy in my browser than internet works perfectly but It cant resolving entry other this |
| 07:15.43 | Aces1up | wantok i just have a fresh system and am setting up exim now via a smart host. |
| 07:15.54 | harpal | means dig www.google.com is not working and nslookup and ping www.google.com is also not working |
| 07:16.06 | harpal | so What could be the problem |
| 07:16.15 | grendal_prime | AAAARRRRRRG...GOOGLE IS DOWN AGAIN? |
| 07:16.20 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 07:16.25 | grendal_prime | i couldnt resist |
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| 07:16.41 | wantok | Aces1up: well, does email get sent? (are you checking exim's mainlog too?) |
| 07:16.42 | harpal | grendal_prime: no my pc has some problem |
| 07:16.50 | grendal_prime | no kidding? |
| 07:16.55 | grendal_prime | can you hit the ip address? |
| 07:16.59 | wantok | hehe |
| 07:17.00 | jetscreamer | your dns lookup seems to be sucking? |
| 07:17.05 | grendal_prime | if so you have a dns lookup problem |
| 07:17.10 | jetscreamer | what about by ip |
| 07:17.14 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 07:17.23 | harpal | If I give ip address than it pings |
| 07:17.30 | harpal | I can ping to my dns server also |
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| 07:17.37 | grendal_prime | or jetscreamer it could be blucking...thats when it sucks and blows at the same time |
| 07:17.58 | Aces1up | how do i send an e-mail via exim from the shell to test to see if it working? the mail command? |
| 07:18.25 | up_the_irons | anyone know how to use 'find' to find hard links? (the man page doesn't show a "-type" option for hard links) |
| 07:18.26 | wantok | Aces1up: yes |
| 07:18.31 | grendal_prime | Aces1up: i use python script for that |
| 07:18.45 | wantok | i think exim also has testing tools though |
| 07:18.48 | harpal | Aces1up: you can get more info at #exim |
| 07:18.58 | wantok | Aces1up: another option is telneting to exim and talking to it... :) |
| 07:19.01 | Aces1up | thanks. |
| 07:19.31 | grendal_prime | has anyone figured a way around this stupid copy-protect-dvd problem..i have a disk..i bought i want to watch on my frigging laptop.. |
| 07:19.42 | grendal_prime | but i cant.. |
| 07:20.01 | wantok | grendal_prime: deCSS? |
| 07:20.08 | wantok | or libdvdcss? |
| 07:20.13 | grendal_prime | cause..aparently BUYING a dvd now is not enough proof that you should be able to watch it.. |
| 07:20.19 | grendal_prime | no those dont do the trick |
| 07:20.23 | grendal_prime | new thing... |
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| 07:20.53 | harpal | Hey how to solve that problem? how can I know that where it got decline? |
| 07:20.53 | wantok | anyone know a replacement to logwatch? ideally not written in perl |
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| 07:22.01 | grendal_prime | here wantok read this |
| 07:22.05 | grendal_prime | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/11/1838205 |
| 07:22.31 | grendal_prime | i got one of those..sitting in my laptop |
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| 07:22.50 | grendal_prime | its a travesty...nightmare...IT FLAT OUT PISSES YOU OFF WHEN IT HAPPENS |
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| 07:23.06 | wantok | grendal_prime: i'd return the disc myself |
| 07:23.10 | grendal_prime | You all of the sudden have something you bought ..that is no longer based on standards |
| 07:23.14 | wantok | stuff that for a joke :/ |
| 07:23.36 | grendal_prime | its hard to do that when there is no other version out there and your a video store |
| 07:24.26 | wantok | :( |
| 07:24.28 | grendal_prime | "sorry, we dont have that movie...we are boycotting that media mogul this week.., yep lifes a bitch move on down the road there is a blockbuster with what you need" |
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| 07:25.23 | wantok | heh: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=200259&cid=16403887 |
| 07:25.28 | grendal_prime | makes me want to kick someone squar in the nuts...Any takers?? it would make me feel better thats for sure |
| 07:25.58 | grendal_prime | that would be great if that was the case... |
| 07:26.55 | jetscreamer | you can try |
| 07:27.02 | grendal_prime | unfortunatly, that is not the case... |
| 07:27.22 | grendal_prime | maybe in not understanding what they are saying there |
| 07:27.26 | harpal | Hey how can I check dns queries like traceroute shows? |
| 07:27.38 | jetscreamer | must be hd |
| 07:27.44 | Aces1up | is there a command to tell you what mail MTU is currently being used, i installed the exim package and then the exim4 package, and then did a dpkg configure on exim4. |
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| 07:28.15 | wantok | Aces1up: exim4 or exim4-config? |
| 07:28.18 | grendal_prime | jetscreamer: if i have a line that reads like this... /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 07:28.26 | grendal_prime | is that not what im doing already? |
| 07:28.31 | Aces1up | exim4-config |
| 07:28.35 | wantok | Aces1up: and `ls -lh `which sendmail`` should do it |
| 07:28.53 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 07:29.08 | grendal_prime | thats how i connect to my dvd player.. |
| 07:29.10 | jetscreamer | oh no i thought you were ranting about a hd format player |
| 07:29.35 | Aces1up | wantok set my exim4 to connect to an external smtp host using smarthost.. |
| 07:29.53 | Aces1up | what file do i edit to set it the smarthost up with authenticion? |
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| 07:30.13 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime: you want iso9660,udf maybe |
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| 07:30.42 | jetscreamer | Aces1up: if you have >1 it might be in alternatives, not sure |
| 07:31.00 | wantok | interesting thoughts; http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=200259&cid=16399223 |
| 07:31.01 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config i believe, like he said |
| 07:31.29 | wantok | Aces1up: read the help in /usr/share/doc/exim4* |
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| 07:31.35 | wantok | jetscreamer: with auth isnt managed by dpkg |
| 07:31.36 | Aces1up | jetscreamer i set exim4 using that.. but it said i had to set up authentication manually for the smart host. |
| 07:31.52 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 07:32.58 | Muffin | Hello. A recent upgrade of dhclient3 broke this hack I had set up to allow multiple search domains...anyone else have this trouble? I'm running a testing box. |
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| 07:34.21 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:37.23 | grendal_prime | ya jetscreamer that didnt work ither |
| 07:37.38 | grendal_prime | it just really is lame that the do this... |
| 07:37.43 | Muffin | It seems to have broken because dhclient used to accept "domain foo.com bar.com" on one line, which means I can override the "domain" line and have it work, but now it needs two lines. |
| 07:37.51 | jetscreamer | !wayttd grendal_prime |
| 07:37.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, grendal_prime? |
| 07:38.16 | jetscreamer | try /dev/scd0 |
| 07:38.20 | grendal_prime | watch a legit movie on my laptop computer that i payed for |
| 07:38.27 | jetscreamer | got libdvdcss2? |
| 07:38.33 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 07:38.33 | jetscreamer | you don't need to mount dvd's |
| 07:38.45 | jetscreamer | can you mount it? |
| 07:38.48 | grendal_prime | look the files system says its 12 gigabites |
| 07:38.56 | grendal_prime | it lies.. |
| 07:39.15 | jetscreamer | you 'can' mount dvd's, but you don't when you are just playing the movie |
| 07:39.29 | grendal_prime | the computers get confused... |
| 07:39.32 | jetscreamer | anyway, can you mount it and play a large .vob ? |
| 07:39.48 | jetscreamer | the .vob's are just .mpg |
| 07:39.48 | grendal_prime | there are no viewable vobs on this disk |
| 07:39.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:39.59 | grendal_prime | ifo's |
| 07:40.00 | jetscreamer | must be that new ... ahhhhhhh |
| 07:40.13 | jetscreamer | so you said, new encryption? |
| 07:40.35 | grendal_prime | vts_04_0.ifo |
| 07:40.43 | grendal_prime | aparently |
| 07:40.44 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime: truth: i've had better luck in windows with the latest schemes |
| 07:40.46 | huhlig | odd question |
| 07:40.48 | jetscreamer | no .vobs? |
| 07:40.52 | jetscreamer | 0? |
| 07:40.53 | huhlig | is there no testing source of non-US? |
| 07:41.00 | jetscreamer | there is no non-us |
| 07:41.02 | grendal_prime | none jetscreamer |
| 07:41.04 | jetscreamer | no more |
| 07:41.07 | jetscreamer | !non-us |
| 07:41.07 | dpkg | non-us is, like, where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
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| 07:41.22 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 07:41.22 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 07:41.39 | huhlig | jetscreamer, I missed that entirely |
| 07:41.41 | huhlig | cool! |
| 07:41.44 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime: http://www.doom9.org/ |
| 07:42.07 | grendal_prime | i think i tried that already |
| 07:42.17 | jetscreamer | if they don't know i don't know who does |
| 07:42.32 | grendal_prime | i also tried runing xp in kqemu...but it needs some sort of codex i cant find |
| 07:42.43 | jetscreamer | does it work in a standalone player? |
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| 07:43.00 | jetscreamer | just curious |
| 07:43.24 | grendal_prime | probably |
| 07:43.47 | grendal_prime | i mean we have rented it out to other people..nobody has brought it back hopping mad |
| 07:44.16 | grendal_prime | thats the problem though..we have two computers set up that we use to check the disks to see if they have scratches or are unplayeble.. |
| 07:44.45 | hatter | anyone know of an irc channel to talk about machines that have been compromised ? |
| 07:44.50 | grendal_prime | now we are screwed with these now machines...cause...well they suck and cannot play the new dvds |
| 07:45.20 | grendal_prime | hatter back up your datter and rebuild |
| 07:45.34 | grendal_prime | dont use the same passwords |
| 07:45.54 | grendal_prime | use distributed keys to login... |
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| 07:46.18 | hatter | grendal_prime, i know that is the only option... but the compromiser left lots of tracks and doesnt seem to have gotten the root password |
| 07:46.52 | grendal_prime | and install..fail2ban |
| 07:46.54 | grendal_prime | ok...then dont |
| 07:47.06 | grendal_prime | your server... |
| 07:47.11 | hatter | rkhunter and chkrootkit show up nothing. they werent installed until after... |
| 07:47.27 | hatter | wahhh |
| 07:47.34 | hatter | i so dont want to rebuild |
| 07:47.43 | hatter | tell me i have to again |
| 07:47.44 | grendal_prime | also there is tripwire..but like i say..you will have to rebuild to set that up |
| 07:47.56 | grendal_prime | how much data you looking at? |
| 07:48.19 | hatter | the data is backed up, but the server is at a customers |
| 07:48.32 | hatter | getting intruded is not something i would like to say |
| 07:48.36 | hatter | to them |
| 07:49.00 | grendal_prime | also...disable ecmp traffic...ping for themost part |
| 07:49.48 | grendal_prime | hatter ....installing a new "feature" that requires some major new software..easyest way is..well this way. ? |
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| 07:50.34 | grendal_prime | sorry..icmp..traffic.. |
| 07:50.48 | grendal_prime | that ping is the biggie on locatin a machine to mess with.. |
| 07:51.06 | grendal_prime | dont reject it ither..just drop it... |
| 07:51.06 | hatter | grendal_prime, thats a good point |
| 07:51.31 | hatter | irc server has been installed |
| 07:51.35 | grendal_prime | let there scanner get hung up on it and scan every damn port..before it gets tired and gives up. |
| 07:51.57 | grendal_prime | make it a black hole for icmp.. |
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| 07:52.08 | hatter | how do they get around tcp-wrappers ? |
| 07:52.24 | grendal_prime | thats what i do...they will make it a point to avoid the ip then.. |
| 07:52.27 | hatter | replacement inetd ? |
| 07:52.44 | grendal_prime | ? i dont use inetd |
| 07:53.09 | hatter | inetd is what provides hosts.allow and hosts.deny isnt it |
| 07:53.11 | hatter | ? |
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| 07:53.31 | grendal_prime | your allowing hosts from the internet? |
| 07:53.37 | hatter | just me |
| 07:53.47 | grendal_prime | for what? |
| 07:54.02 | grendal_prime | nfs? |
| 07:54.03 | hatter | but i was remiss on this occasion and ALL: ALL was available |
| 07:54.06 | hatter | no just ssh |
| 07:54.15 | hatter | and port forward 3389 |
| 07:54.32 | hatter | so my fault for getting scanned |
| 07:54.47 | grendal_prime | well you could use iptables to only allow ssh from your ip.. |
| 07:55.07 | grendal_prime | im going to bed though..its 12 here |
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| 07:55.27 | hatter | grendal_prime, thx for your input |
| 07:55.47 | grendal_prime | look into iptables...firewall...routing, pretty damn good at both locking down a box and creating a router all at the same time.. |
| 07:56.09 | hatter | yes, i use shorewall for iptables and hosts.deny and allow |
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| 07:56.25 | grendal_prime | well i dont think you need inetd for that |
| 07:56.40 | hatter | my own fault for this box, somehow i left it open to any ip address |
| 07:56.43 | hatter | dumb dumb |
| 07:56.58 | hatter | tcpwrappers is an inetd function isnt it ? |
| 07:57.12 | grendal_prime | not nessasarly...i mean sometimes you dont know where your going to be comming in from.. |
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| 07:57.27 | hatter | grendal_prime, i have a port knocking routine on most boxes |
| 07:57.36 | hatter | thats quite good, opens port 22 for 60 seconds |
| 07:57.39 | grendal_prime | use distributed keys to log in.. |
| 07:57.48 | hatter | i havent used distributed keys yet |
| 07:57.53 | grendal_prime | disable challenge response.. |
| 07:58.01 | grendal_prime | makes BF attackes usesless.. |
| 07:58.26 | hatter | cool, i will look into distributed keys |
| 07:58.33 | grendal_prime | then fail2ban as well..to many bad login attempts it bans the ip address |
| 07:59.05 | grendal_prime | night..fight the good fight...here here.. |
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| 08:09.26 | up_the_irons | who here uses rdiff-backup? can you comment on how well it works? (i'm researching backup solutions) |
| 08:09.51 | up_the_irons | or how about duplicity? |
| 08:09.59 | up_the_irons | right now, i'm using plain ol' rsync |
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| 08:14.14 | harpal | Hey When I do dig and than www.google.com than it works but when I try to ping it than it shows me error ping: Unknown host www.google.com |
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| 08:15.42 | fstx | Hi. Can i net install debian via a wireless adapter? Debian installer doesn't show my adapter. |
| 08:16.17 | Crypticfortune | does anyone know what could cause "id loanacct" to return "uid=1055(loanacct) gid=513(Domain Users)id: failed to get groups for user `loanacct': No such file or directory"?? (logging in as loanacct and then doing "groups" works fine...what could be wrong with id??) |
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| 08:18.09 | hell-jack | hey |
| 08:18.15 | Crypticfortune | harpal: that's very strange. you don't have something weird defined in /etc/hosts or /etc/resolv.conf do you? |
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| 08:18.20 | hell-jack | which one is better xmms or audiocious |
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| 08:18.56 | the_sniff | i have 3 ips, only one is accesible, how do i make that one the default bound address for all my apps? im getting too many logs that it can't be accessed |
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| 08:19.03 | ringo999 | how "dangerous" is it to update from stable debian to unstable? |
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| 08:19.21 | Crypticfortune | hell-jack: audacious, hands down. but amarok's better than either of them. |
| 08:19.24 | wols | !sid faq |
| 08:19.25 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 08:19.28 | harpal | Crypticfortune: no I have just name servers in resolv.conf and 127.0.0.1 entry in hosts |
| 08:19.36 | Crypticfortune | hell-jack: (unless you want to play non-amarok supported things) |
| 08:20.03 | fstx | Can i install base system from only first cd? |
| 08:20.27 | wols | fstx: base install only needs the 150MB netinstall iso |
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| 08:20.47 | Caelum | fstx: do you know if your nic is supported natively by linux? |
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| 08:22.05 | hatter | is it feasible to run an MD5 checkum on files after a security incident ? |
| 08:22.23 | Caelum | fstx: if not, you'll need to set up ndiswrapper and stuff |
| 08:22.28 | Caelum | hatter: don't see why not |
| 08:22.30 | wols | !dekk hatter about debsums |
| 08:22.48 | wols | hatter: ´while it has no use, it oes no ahrm |
| 08:22.51 | wols | *harm |
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| 08:23.26 | wols | !tell hatter about debsums |
| 08:23.31 | sauvin | I've suddenly stopped being able to launch pan; it aborts very early with the message "fptools.c:455: _FP_fgets: Assertion '*buf' failed." After a reboot, debian etch forced an fsck claiming that the last write to superblock was in FUTURE. Any idea what gives? |
| 08:23.34 | hatter | wols, i have a machine that has been compromised, i imagine a good cracker would replace ps and top etc |
| 08:23.40 | fstx | Caelum, my adapter gretly working on knoppix. |
| 08:24.08 | wols | hatter: either you really reinstall from uncomrpomised backup or you have a comrpomised machine. have a nice day |
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| 08:24.24 | Crypticfortune | if anyone's adept at reading straces, this is the strace of my "id loanacct => No such file or directory" problem http://rafb.net/p/m2haVQ27.html |
| 08:24.45 | hatter | wols, could apt-get be compromised also ? |
| 08:24.58 | the_sniff | i have 3 ips, only one is accesible, how do i make that one the default bound address for all my apps? im getting too many logs that it can't be accessed |
| 08:25.01 | Crypticfortune | hatter: ls could be comprimised =P |
| 08:25.12 | Caelum | fstx: you can install debian from knoppix, using something like http://gnuru.org/index.pl?node_id=835 |
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| 08:26.01 | wols | hatter: your machine is comrompised not apt, not ps, not your kernel. your machine. nothing else |
| 08:26.26 | fstx | Caelum, thank you very much. This is great. |
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| 08:26.53 | hatter | wols, yes. the only way to be sure is to reinstall. just such a PITA... la la la |
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| 08:27.35 | Caelum | hatter: should be safe to backup (and verify) /etc, dpkg --get-selections, and stuff |
| 08:27.40 | hatter | the compromise left lots of trails, left all the s/w on the machine, left .bash_history, |
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| 08:28.14 | hatter | it really appears to be a script kiddie with not too much 'hiding his tracks' ability |
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| 08:30.17 | huhlig_ | ok, how can I force remove something |
| 08:30.17 | hatter | Caelum, wols, Crypticfortune , thx for your input |
| 08:30.24 | Crypticfortune | hatter: but he probably installed and ran something, yes? that something could be more clever and do virtually anything if it had root. that and/or he only covered some of his tracks. unless you reinstall you have an untrustworthy machine... |
| 08:30.25 | huhlig_ | using apt or dpkg |
| 08:31.08 | Caelum | huhlig_: force what? why does it refuse to be removed? |
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| 08:31.45 | huhlig_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-7.4.prerm: line 17: /usr/share/postgresql-common/maintscripts-functions: No such file or directory |
| 08:31.45 | huhlig_ | dpkg: error processing postgresql-7.4 (--remove): |
| 08:31.45 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 08:32.47 | huhlig_ | wow |
| 08:32.47 | wantok | ouch |
| 08:32.47 | bolt | N-N-N-NETSPLIT! |
| 08:32.47 | huhlig_ | I seem to have caused a netsplit |
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| 08:32.47 | Caelum | huhlig_: just fix the prerm script |
| 08:32.48 | huhlig | Caelum, just touch it? |
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| 08:32.53 | Caelum | huhlig: no, edit it, comment out stuff that doesn't work or make it work, etc. then it should remove ok |
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| 08:33.23 | bolt | I have patched my kernel to include bootsplash, with the patch from the package linux-patch-bootsplash. I have also installed bootsplash and bootsplash-theme-debian, and added splash=verbose to my command line. At boot, I get a message saying bootsplash: verbose mode, but that's it... What's wrong here? |
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| 08:33.53 | lbt | bolt: simple - you should be using "splashy" <grin> |
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| 08:34.29 | lbt | it's 'the way forward' for boot splashes... |
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| 08:34.43 | bolt | i read it was slow as all hell |
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| 08:35.28 | bolt | besides, when i search for splash in the etch repositories, bootsplash is what i find |
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| 08:35.36 | lbt | slow? it puts up a picture on the screen... not sure what you mean? |
| 08:35.43 | svenx | how do i list all packages (non-installed too) in a section? For example in section 'devel'. apt-cache or apt-file doesn't seem to do it |
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| 08:35.59 | lbt | but it's not stable yet. I think it's being backported as we speak though. |
| 08:36.01 | Chrom_ | hi all |
| 08:36.35 | Chrom_ | is there anyone that managed to make the Adaptec U320 raid controler with debian 4.0? |
| 08:36.55 | Chrom_ | I see there is a driver from Adaptec, but not for Debian |
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| 08:37.25 | svenx | Chrom_: find out which chipset it runs. find the model number and google for '<model number> linux' |
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| 08:37.50 | Chrom_ | it's adaptec aic-7902 u320 (rev 03) |
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| 08:38.16 | NetEcho | Chrom_ do they offer the sourcecode for said driver? |
| 08:38.22 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 08:38.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 08:38.26 | Chrom_ | yes |
| 08:38.32 | NetEcho | so compile the source code |
| 08:38.37 | svenx | Chrom_: can you run modprobe aic79xx ? |
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| 08:38.50 | Chrom_ | I'm still at the installation phase |
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| 08:39.00 | NetEcho | oh |
| 08:39.07 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48458 |
| 08:39.08 | NetEcho | netinst? |
| 08:39.12 | hell-jack | i cannot work compiz |
| 08:39.14 | hell-jack | pls look |
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| 08:39.16 | Chrom_ | yes netinst |
| 08:39.16 | svenx | Chrom_: stay far away from the vendor's own drivers, as long as there are native linux drivers for it |
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| 08:39.39 | Chrom_ | svenx, yes, i want to stay away from vendor driver, that's why I'm asking for suggestions here |
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| 08:39.54 | huhlig | grr |
| 08:40.02 | huhlig | now mailman wont update |
| 08:40.02 | Chrom_ | the controller makes a kind of software raid, so I see the physical drives instead of the logical RAID drive when I install |
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| 08:41.21 | harpal | hell-jack: Just join channel #compiz-fusion there you find all helps |
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| 08:41.30 | JustSoul | Hello |
| 08:41.37 | JustSoul | ext3 have acl-tables? |
| 08:41.46 | Chrom_ | I guess there is a parameter to pass at installation time to load another driver |
| 08:41.58 | Kevin` | JustSoul yes |
| 08:42.00 | wols | acl |
| 08:42.02 | wols | !acl |
| 08:42.02 | dpkg | acl is, like, Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 08:42.05 | wols | not natively |
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| 08:42.26 | wols | hell-jack: what driver do you use? |
| 08:42.29 | jetscreamer | it's in the kernel |
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| 08:42.47 | hell-jack | nvidia gforce 8400m gs wols |
| 08:42.53 | wols | that is no driver |
| 08:43.04 | hell-jack | i download it from nvidia site |
| 08:43.08 | hell-jack | o sorry |
| 08:43.12 | wols | then good luck and go away |
| 08:43.26 | Nyle | good night |
| 08:43.33 | hell-jack | wols, |
| 08:43.35 | wols | if glxinfo works compiz will too |
| 08:43.39 | hell-jack | is it bad ? |
| 08:43.43 | wols | yes it's bad |
| 08:43.49 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 08:43.53 | hell-jack | why ? |
| 08:43.55 | bolt | lbt: bah. splashy in unstable requires its libc6. no way |
| 08:44.02 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 08:44.03 | Crypticfortune | !tell hell-jack about nvidia |
| 08:44.03 | wols | cause it breaks you package management |
| 08:44.08 | jetscreamer | more lies |
| 08:44.16 | Nyle | hi |
| 08:44.18 | wols | bolt: backports are awesome |
| 08:44.23 | jetscreamer | you need to set compiz up properly |
| 08:44.37 | jetscreamer | if the driver works you're good to go |
| 08:44.40 | wols | jetscreamer: you know it's a fact it breaks debian mesa |
| 08:44.45 | jetscreamer | wols: wtf do you suggest he use |
| 08:44.49 | hell-jack | driver works |
| 08:44.51 | harpal | wols: If i do dig www.google.com than it works but when I do ping www.google.com than it shows me error unknown host www.google.com |
| 08:44.52 | jetscreamer | note the 8400 |
| 08:44.59 | wols | backporting what is in sid. which will work for him |
| 08:45.00 | Nyle | haha |
| 08:45.12 | jetscreamer | the driver works. that's not the problem. |
| 08:45.12 | Nyle | I use ati, my fglrx 8.42.3 works great for compiz confusion |
| 08:45.13 | wols | harpal: dig output |
| 08:45.22 | Erik1 | installing etch: I see the boot flag of swap is set to on. correct ? |
| 08:45.31 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 08:45.31 | dpkg | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 08:45.34 | Nyle | no |
| 08:45.34 | harpal | wols: pastebin it? |
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| 08:45.38 | Nyle | Erik1: no |
| 08:45.39 | Kevin` | why would you set the boot flag on swap? |
| 08:45.39 | wols | Erik1: irrelevant. bootflags aren't use for anything |
| 08:45.50 | Nyle | Erik1: why would you make swap boot |
| 08:45.53 | Erik1 | and the one of / should be on ? |
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| 08:46.09 | SpeedyG | wols: you're always (at least, any time I see anyone notice anything not default in debian) so subtle :D ... I kinda like that :P |
| 08:46.11 | wols | Erik1: no it should not. bootflag is not used. anywhere |
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| 08:46.17 | Erik1 | ok |
| 08:46.31 | hell-jack | jetscreamer, |
| 08:46.31 | Kevin` | Erik1 / or /boot if you have it should be set active, but with grub in the mbr it's irrelevant |
| 08:46.35 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48458 |
| 08:46.40 | bolt | wols: indeed. can't find any though |
| 08:46.41 | hell-jack | i cannot work compiz |
| 08:46.48 | Erik1 | ok. |
| 08:46.53 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: are you on etch? |
| 08:46.58 | hell-jack | i cannot took nvidia-glx from sid repo |
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| 08:47.03 | bolt | wols: i found a repository for splashy at apt-get.org, but that's version 0.1.8.... |
| 08:47.04 | hell-jack | i am on lenny |
| 08:47.07 | jetscreamer | you don't need that |
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| 08:47.19 | hell-jack | dont need what ? |
| 08:47.22 | bolt | that |
| 08:47.25 | jetscreamer | the nvidia-glx |
| 08:47.38 | jetscreamer | !info compiz lenny |
| 08:47.41 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.6.3~git20071222.061ff159-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
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| 08:47.51 | wols | !tell bolt about simple sid backport |
| 08:47.53 | harpal | wols: Thats my dig output http://pastebin.ca/892298 |
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| 08:48.17 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: i'm not sure but i don't believe you start compiz from a console or xterm |
| 08:48.20 | sco50000 | where can i find fsck.ntfs for lenny? apt-file didn't find it |
| 08:48.22 | wols | harpal: cat /etc/resolvconf/ |
| 08:48.25 | hell-jack | jetscreamer, my debian didnt recognize my grapghic card |
| 08:48.25 | wols | harpal: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:48.33 | jetscreamer | sco50000: ntfsprogs if anywhere |
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| 08:48.43 | hell-jack | i downloaded nvidia-glx it starts from terminal |
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| 08:48.47 | jetscreamer | hell-jack: i thought you installed the driver |
| 08:48.48 | wols | sco50000: apt-cache search ntfs |grep ntfs |
| 08:48.50 | hell-jack | not i cannot use compiz |
| 08:48.56 | wols | sco50000: but I doubt there is a fsck for it |
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| 08:49.02 | sco50000 | jetscreamer: ntfsprogs doesn't include fsck.ntfs |
| 08:49.13 | wols | hell-jack: output of glxinfo |
| 08:49.14 | jetscreamer | didn't think so but |
| 08:49.20 | hell-jack | oki |
| 08:49.22 | hell-jack | wols, |
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| 08:49.28 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 08:49.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:49.33 | Erik1 | most partition info (sizes) on the net is about older drives, like 50 Gb... how about newer drives like 250gb ? should the extra 200gb just go to /home ? |
| 08:49.39 | harpal | wols: http://pastebin.ca/892299 both dig output and /etc/resolv.conf entry |
| 08:49.49 | Crypticfortune | what on earth would fsck.ntfs do?? perhaps i should google... |
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| 08:50.09 | Crypticfortune | aaa ntfs. sorry. i read nfs *^^* |
| 08:50.13 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 08:50.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 08:50.39 | wols | harpal: your domainserver is broken |
| 08:50.45 | hell-jack | wols, name of display: :0.0 |
| 08:50.45 | hell-jack | display: :0 screen: 0 |
| 08:50.45 | hell-jack | direct rendering: Yes |
| 08:50.45 | hell-jack | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 08:50.45 | hell-jack | server glx version string: 1.4 |
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| 08:50.52 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.52 | wols | the dig output should give an answer section |
| 08:50.54 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.56 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.58 | hell-jack | client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 08:51.00 | hell-jack | client glx version string: 1.4 |
| 08:51.01 | wols | !ops |
| 08:51.01 | dpkg | i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 08:51.02 | hell-jack | client glx extensions: |
| 08:51.04 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.06 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.08 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.08 | harpal | wols: so what should I do? |
| 08:51.11 | wols | ops hell-jack spams too much |
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| 08:51.12 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.14 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.14 | streuner_ | hell-jack: STOP FLOODING US |
| 08:51.16 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.16 | wols | !ops hell-jack spams too much |
| 08:51.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: hell-jack spams too much |
| 08:51.18 | hell-jack | GLX version: 1.3 |
| 08:51.20 | hell-jack | GLX extensions: |
| 08:51.22 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.24 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.26 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.28 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.30 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.30 | wols | hell-jack: close your irc client NOW! |
| 08:51.32 | wols | hell-jack: close your irc client NOW! |
| 08:51.32 | hell-jack | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 08:51.33 | wols | hell-jack: close your irc client NOW! |
| 08:51.34 | hell-jack | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8400M GS/PCI/SSE2 |
| 08:51.36 | hell-jack | OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.09 |
| 08:51.38 | hell-jack | OpenGL extensions: |
| 08:51.42 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.44 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.46 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:51.48 | wols | fuck off and die hell-jack |
| 08:51.52 | happla | =) |
| 08:51.52 | sco50000 | hell-jack: close your IRC client! |
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| 08:51.56 | Frawg | hi all |
| 08:51.59 | SpeedyG | lol, that helped wols :D |
| 08:52.02 | happla | funneh |
| 08:52.03 | harpal | wols: so what should I do now? |
| 08:52.11 | wols | harpal: choose a working DNS server |
| 08:52.22 | harpal | wols: I can ping to that dns server |
| 08:52.34 | Frawg | anyone know of a media streaming app (mp3/flac/ogg) that is low latency(read uses low buffers) and both client/server? |
| 08:52.45 | Frawg | want one end to take source in via line/mic in |
| 08:52.48 | Frawg | and push it to said server |
| 08:52.55 | wols | harpal: http://pastebin.ca/892304 |
| 08:52.56 | Frawg | and the server to output to it's sound card |
| 08:53.06 | wols | that doesn't mean this dns server gives out valid data. it doesn't |
| 08:53.34 | Kevin` | Frawg might try something designed for voip type use |
| 08:53.48 | badcfe_ | I do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed (under ). how do i proceed in order to fetch that into my debian system? |
| 08:53.59 | harpal | wols: ok, but I have one server in that all things are working fine |
| 08:54.11 | harpal | so Is that problem of server? |
| 08:54.19 | harpal | I am connected to server |
| 08:54.30 | mazzanet | how can i find out what parameters a module was loaded with? |
| 08:54.54 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with his glx, as i said |
| 08:54.55 | harpal | wols: brb go for lunch |
| 08:54.59 | jetscreamer | :) lol |
| 08:55.10 | badcfe_ | is it linux-tree-2.6.18 ? |
| 08:55.24 | jetscreamer | no badcfe_ |
| 08:55.34 | Frawg | kevin hrmm yeh |
| 08:55.41 | jetscreamer | badcfe_: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 08:55.42 | Frawg | i guess i could use skype lol |
| 08:55.43 | jetscreamer | past that |
| 08:55.53 | jetscreamer | paste |
| 08:55.59 | badcfe_ | jetscreamer: i suppose i can use apt-get too? |
| 08:56.03 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 08:56.39 | streuner_ | hm |
| 08:56.46 | bolt | how can I get the vty consoles to "remember" more? like, so that I can press shift-page_up to go further back |
| 08:56.48 | jetscreamer | that hell person probably needs to configure xorg |
| 08:56.58 | jetscreamer | maybe install it even |
| 08:57.01 | jetscreamer | who knows |
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| 08:57.17 | Kevin` | bolt kernel, "scrollback buffer in system ram" |
| 08:57.20 | wols | jetscreamer: he has nvidia loaded compiz --replace should be all |
| 08:57.21 | Kevin` | bolt also has a size |
| 08:57.50 | bolt | Kevin`: do you happen to know what menu it's under in menuconfig? |
| 08:57.51 | jetscreamer | wols: i don't know if he ever changed xorg to use nvidia.. guess so? |
| 08:58.18 | Kevin` | bolt not without looking. i'd guess character devices |
| 08:59.49 | Erik1 | if i do a re-install and do not format /usr and/or /, could it be that some files cannot be written during the installation processs ? |
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| 09:00.31 | Kevin` | I suppose it's possible. you stand a good chance of confusing the hell out of the installer at least |
| 09:00.33 | Kevin` | dont do that. |
| 09:00.36 | NetEcho | do you guys know of any VNC server software that works under linux |
| 09:00.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 09:00.53 | Kevin` | NetEcho yeah, all the major vnc products. |
| 09:01.09 | Erik1 | Kevin: ok |
| 09:01.15 | wols | jetscreamer: you do. his paste proved it |
| 09:01.23 | NetEcho | really? |
| 09:01.26 | NetEcho | nice |
| 09:01.42 | NetEcho | wine requires X to run right? |
| 09:01.46 | Kevin` | NetEcho I usually use tightvnc. no particular reason |
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| 09:02.03 | NetEcho | yea I've heard TightVNC is pretty good |
| 09:02.14 | Kevin` | hmm. I thought you could do console wine programs, but I have not done that in a long time |
| 09:02.22 | Kevin` | or used wine at all |
| 09:02.38 | Kevin` | for gui it needs x |
| 09:04.37 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.09 | NetEcho | seems VMware's VNC server doesn't like mouse |
| 09:05.32 | Kevin` | vnc only does absolute positioning |
| 09:05.40 | Kevin` | it will work if you have vmware tools installed |
| 09:05.49 | Kevin` | otherwise, don't bother :) |
| 09:05.54 | NetEcho | oh |
| 09:06.10 | NetEcho | so vmware tools will let my vnc client control the mouse? |
| 09:06.10 | Kevin` | that's why vmware normally "captures" the mouse |
| 09:06.14 | Kevin` | yes. |
| 09:06.25 | NetEcho | then I shall install it |
| 09:06.47 | NetEcho | once the host OS releases control lol |
| 09:06.55 | NetEcho | gave all the resources to VMware |
| 09:07.03 | NetEcho | even simple apps are hanging |
| 09:07.31 | Kevin` | NetEcho perhaps you assigned too much memory? |
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| 09:08.17 | NetEcho | oh hell yea |
| 09:08.27 | NetEcho | I assigned the max so vmware would run smoothly |
| 09:08.41 | Kevin` | always assign the MINIMUM, for the same reason |
| 09:08.56 | NetEcho | VMware is running fine its windows thats having issues lol |
| 09:08.57 | Kevin` | memory is managed better if each vm has a small amount |
| 09:09.12 | NetEcho | I'm only running 1 VM |
| 09:09.16 | Kevin` | oh, I thought the host was linux. same issues of course |
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| 09:10.38 | Vasistha | hey y'all. I'm trying to do a back up from one laptop to another laptop. I'm getting frustrated with NFS. Is there an easier way? I would like to tar a group of files and transfer them via a pipe or socket. Perhaps an ssh tunnel? But I don't know how to set that up :P |
| 09:10.41 | NetEcho | this is only temporary until my server arrives |
| 09:11.16 | Kevin` | Vasistha 1: what's wrong with nfs? 2: netcat or an ssh tunnel like this (netcat faster) |
| 09:11.46 | Kevin` | tar c . |ssh user@remote "cd /dest; tar xv" |
| 09:11.55 | petemc | rsync |
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| 09:12.11 | Kevin` | rsync would be too proper! |
| 09:12.14 | Vasistha | Kevin`: "can't read superblock" ... I'm trying to debug it. but ... that looks really nice. yeah, I think netcat is the way to go here, actually -- I'm all for speed on a private local network |
| 09:12.16 | Frawg | Kevin`: going to run it across our existing VoIP infrastructure :) |
| 09:12.26 | NetEcho | the new server is gonna be a Mini-ITX board |
| 09:12.27 | NetEcho | :D |
| 09:12.42 | NetEcho | just gotta find a case that I can put it in |
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| 09:12.59 | Kevin` | NetEcho that's what the cardboard box is for |
| 09:12.59 | Vasistha | I'm trying to backup a friend's windoze system, so I'm a little wary of rsync ... think it'd be better than tar + netcat ? |
| 09:13.13 | petemc | yes |
| 09:13.41 | Vasistha | petemc: alright, I'll take it! Thanks :) |
| 09:13.41 | NetEcho | Kevin` lol |
| 09:13.46 | huhlig | ok, dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file |
| 09:13.50 | huhlig | how do I fix this? |
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| 09:13.53 | Vasistha | (why didn't I think of that?) |
| 09:13.58 | NetEcho | Kevin` do you think a Micro-Atx case will mount one properly? |
| 09:13.59 | the_sniff | root@white:~# traceroute silver.live4all.co.il -s 212.179.35.111 |
| 09:13.59 | the_sniff | traceroute to silver.live4all.co.il (212.179.35.117) from 212.179.35.111, 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 09:13.59 | the_sniff | 1 bzq-179-35-111.static.bezeqint.net (212.179.35.111) 3007.433 ms !H 3003.271 ms !H 3006.238 ms !H |
| 09:14.03 | the_sniff | how does this make sense? |
| 09:14.05 | petemc | Vasistha: there are a good number of wrappers for rsync to make it easier, dirvish, backuppc |
| 09:14.09 | gynterk | mambo 4.5.2, akocomment 2.0. in admin View Comments returns "Fatal error: Non-static method MENU_Default::MENU_Default() cannot be called statically in /mambo/administrator/components/com_akocomment/toolbar.akocomment.php" |
| 09:14.11 | the_sniff | sorry if i exceeded the paste line limit :P |
| 09:14.12 | gynterk | fufufufufu |
| 09:14.16 | gynterk | sorry wrong window :d |
| 09:14.23 | wantok | o_0 |
| 09:14.27 | gynterk | damn it |
| 09:14.32 | Vasistha | petemc: heh, I just have some notes I wrote down from the last time I figured it out :) |
| 09:14.40 | Kevin` | the_sniff why are you giving a different source? |
| 09:14.54 | Frawg | hrmms |
| 09:14.58 | Frawg | lame + netcat + mpg123 |
| 09:14.59 | NetEcho | also Kevin` have you worked with VMWare much? |
| 09:15.02 | Frawg | that could do it |
| 09:15.07 | the_sniff | Kevin` one is with IPSec only |
| 09:15.09 | Kevin` | NetEcho yes |
| 09:15.22 | the_sniff | Kevin` and it's the same with the default source |
| 09:15.33 | NetEcho | how do you know if vmware tools installed properly? |
| 09:15.34 | Kevin` | the_sniff !H is an icmp error, host unreachable probably |
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| 09:16.04 | the_sniff | yes, i know |
| 09:16.15 | the_sniff | but i can't see why its unreachable |
| 09:16.17 | Kevin` | NetEcho I rarely install vmware tools on linux guests, just the network driver. you get a little control panel though |
| 09:16.30 | Kevin` | NetEcho you actually have to install it btw, it puts a virtual cd in the drive. |
| 09:16.34 | NetEcho | how do you access the control panel? |
| 09:16.40 | NetEcho | oh i see |
| 09:16.48 | NetEcho | it mounts the cd then you have to run it from within linux?> |
| 09:16.53 | Kevin` | yes |
| 09:16.58 | NetEcho | ah yes there it is |
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| 09:17.06 | NetEcho | it popped up right on the desktop |
| 09:17.47 | NetEcho | heh rpm and source |
| 09:18.06 | NetEcho | and since I don't use RPM guess its source time |
| 09:18.07 | mentor | wols: calm |
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| 09:19.46 | Vasistha | unfortunately I don't have the notes from figuring out how to start the rsync daemon that listens on port 22 :P |
| 09:20.18 | huhlig | arrgh |
| 09:20.19 | wols | mentor: I needed to get through his masspaste. and I succeeded :) |
| 09:20.32 | wols | since no ops was available |
| 09:20.34 | huhlig | why would a package depend on 3 versions of postgresql |
| 09:21.28 | Kevin` | Vasistha rsync doesn't listen on port 22, rsync can work over ssh as an rcon command |
| 09:21.53 | NetEcho | Kevin` although this is a slightly newbish question its asking What is the location of the 'gcc' program on your machine? |
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| 09:22.12 | NetEcho | I don't know what path to give it |
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| 09:22.50 | Vasistha | Kevin`: hum. I wonder, then, how I specify to the client that it should not be attempting to make an ssh connection |
| 09:22.54 | NetEcho | /usr/lib/gcc? |
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| 09:23.40 | cahoot | NetEcho: try /msg dpkg b-e |
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| 09:24.11 | NetEcho | cahoot thats not the problem |
| 09:24.33 | NetEcho | this stupid program doesn't seem to know where to find gcc and I don't know the correct path to give it |
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| 09:25.00 | liable | which stupid program? dont you mean source package? |
| 09:25.03 | cahoot | you're sure you need to compile? |
| 09:25.19 | NetEcho | it needs the path to the gcc binary |
| 09:25.24 | Crypticfortune | getting closer to solving my "id foo" problem (I think), for some reason libnss_ldap works with ssl enabled, but pam_ldap does not (other than that, identical configuration). can anyone think of a reason? |
| 09:25.32 | NetEcho | its for vmware to run properly |
| 09:25.42 | liable | ask #vmware |
| 09:26.02 | NetEcho | where is the gcc binary installed thats all I'm asking? |
| 09:26.10 | cahoot | try which gcc |
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| 09:26.29 | NetEcho | no output |
| 09:26.42 | liable | do you have it installed? |
| 09:26.44 | cahoot | is it even installed? |
| 09:26.51 | NetEcho | does etch install gcc? |
| 09:27.00 | liable | its in /usr/bin/ |
| 09:27.06 | liable | NetEcho: not by default |
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| 09:27.21 | NetEcho | odd |
| 09:27.24 | NetEcho | ok |
| 09:27.25 | cahoot | !b-e |
| 09:27.25 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 09:27.27 | NetEcho | apt time |
| 09:27.28 | apt | 2008.02.05 9:27:28 GMT, or the fourth dimension |
| 09:27.31 | liable | sheesh, blame something for not finding gcc, but you dont even check if its installed?? |
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| 09:27.51 | Pete_B | Hi. How do I set permissions on a USB (thus not in fstab) ext3 hard disk so everyone has RW? /media/usbdisk has a+rw; /dev/sdb1 has rw for 'floppy', users are in 'floppy'. What am I missing? |
| 09:28.02 | Crypticfortune | (by which i mean disabling ssl/tls in pam_ldap makes it work (but then i'm unencrypted, so unhappy)) |
| 09:28.07 | NetEcho | well usualy gcc is installed with most distros |
| 09:28.19 | liable | thats a poor excuse |
| 09:28.33 | NetEcho | why is apt trying to use a cd when the net is available? |
| 09:28.33 | cahoot | NetEcho: so install build-essential |
| 09:29.11 | NetEcho | how do I force apt-get to use a internet mirror instead of cd |
| 09:29.14 | cahoot | because your sources.list is configged that way |
| 09:29.27 | liable | NetEcho: you read man sources.list |
| 09:29.37 | NetEcho | gottcha |
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| 09:31.01 | Pete_B | my problem turned out to just be that GNOME won't allow users to write to the root of the disk, but if I make a directory from CLI GNOME's happy |
| 09:31.35 | mentor | evil GNOME |
| 09:32.29 | NetEcho | ok and where does that install the C header files? |
| 09:32.44 | NetEcho | or where are the kernel header files actually |
| 09:33.01 | huhlig | ok, crap |
| 09:33.04 | Vasistha | so, I created an exremely simple rsyncd.conf and yet /etc/init.d/rsync start still seems not to actually start the daemon |
| 09:33.05 | huhlig | I forget |
| 09:33.13 | huhlig | how do I downgrade to libc2.6 |
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| 09:34.11 | wols | !downgrade |
| 09:34.11 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:34.21 | wols | you can try to manually downgrade. good luck |
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| 09:34.29 | huhlig | lovely |
| 09:34.33 | Crypticfortune | NetEcho: why would you assume gcc installs kernel header files? those are with the kernel (aptitude search linux-headers) |
| 09:34.41 | huhlig | sigh |
| 09:34.43 | wols | why did you install packages from the wrong branch? |
| 09:34.46 | NetEcho | shouldn't they have been installed with the kernel? |
| 09:34.48 | huhlig | I didnt |
| 09:34.54 | liable | NetEcho: you need headers for kernel headers files |
| 09:34.59 | wols | then you don't need to downgrade. QED |
| 09:35.01 | huhlig | libc 2.6 got mucked with in testing |
| 09:35.06 | NetEcho | cause there is nothing in /usr/src |
| 09:35.10 | huhlig | and wont play nice with my VPS |
| 09:35.11 | Crypticfortune | NetEcho: not unless you chose to install them.... |
| 09:35.16 | wols | there is no libc6 2.6 in testing anymore |
| 09:35.25 | wols | hasn't been one in weeks now |
| 09:35.31 | NetEcho | was never presented an option |
| 09:35.40 | liable | !installit |
| 09:35.41 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 09:36.07 | wols | the choice was made by you when you switched to lenny |
| 09:36.23 | huhlig | no, ive been running testing for a while |
| 09:36.50 | the_sniff | does google's search engine and web sttuff work on python? |
| 09:37.00 | wols | testing didn't install itself |
| 09:37.11 | wols | the_sniff: of course it does |
| 09:37.26 | hotchip | hello. I know that this is not exactly the channel to ask about it but does anyone know websites where one can download firmware to make a DVD player region free? |
| 09:37.33 | huhlig | since my kernel is incompatible with glibc |
| 09:37.39 | wols | google uses lots of python internally itself. just guess where guido van rossum works? |
| 09:37.53 | liable | sun? |
| 09:38.01 | wols | ah, you don't run a testing kernel |
| 09:38.44 | wols | fyi: install a proper kernel. that's better |
| 09:38.53 | wols | or rather: easier |
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| 09:38.57 | Crypticfortune | hotchip: definitely the wrong channel. i bet google knows though |
| 09:39.02 | huhlig | wols, will that work on a vps |
| 09:39.17 | wols | if the kernel is patched properly: yes |
| 09:39.25 | huhlig | hmm ok |
| 09:39.29 | wols | and: your hoster needs to change from sarge really soon now |
| 09:39.40 | wols | cause sarge security updates are oevr after april |
| 09:39.44 | hotchip | Crypitcfortune: do you know a channel where I could go for that topic? |
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| 09:39.54 | wols | huhlig: ask your hsoter to give you a proper kernel |
| 09:39.57 | Crypticfortune | hotchip: nope |
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| 09:40.08 | huhlig | wols, at this point I might just compile myself |
| 09:40.10 | Pete_B | can <dpkg> be made to say 'it's available via apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic" rather than "it's available via apt-get, or aptitude" so people don't think they can only use CLI? |
| 09:40.20 | wols | huhlig: it won't work |
| 09:40.21 | hotchip | Crypitcfortune: ok. Thanks anyway. :) |
| 09:40.28 | Pete_B | as a response to installit |
| 09:40.30 | huhlig | wols, oh? why so |
| 09:40.32 | Vasistha | petemc: any recommendation of how to get rsyncd running? I'm not getting any error messages, it's just ... not running after I do /etc/init.d/rsync start |
| 09:40.36 | wols | Pete_B: yes |
| 09:40.59 | wols | Vasistha: syslog? |
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| 09:41.52 | ktwilight[m] | yo |
| 09:42.04 | ktwilight[m] | dpkg, tell me how to compile a kernel :) |
| 09:42.09 | Vasistha | wols: none of the logs seem to be written to -- ls -lt | head shows nothing modified for the last three minutes |
| 09:42.11 | wols | !tell ktwilight[m] about kp |
| 09:42.26 | ktwilight[m] | wols, thanks. got it already ;) |
| 09:42.30 | ktwilight[m] | was just playin' :) |
| 09:42.34 | wols | Vasistha: run rsyncd directly |
| 09:43.02 | Vasistha | wols: doesn't seem to be available. hmph. |
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| 09:43.15 | the_sniff | anybody here knows how to access the sbox management? |
| 09:43.19 | Fox_1_ | anyone please write pastbin URL |
| 09:43.46 | wols | Vasistha: then check the rsync script what it runs |
| 09:44.03 | liable | Fox_1_: channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 09:44.09 | Vasistha | wols: honestly, I'm not attached to rsync ... I just need to make some kind of network connection, ANY kind of network connection between these two machines, so I can transfer some files. But I can't get nfs, rsync, or netcat to work thus far, and I'm 2 hours in the hole :P |
| 09:44.27 | wols | Vasistha: ssh to the rescue |
| 09:44.28 | liable | Vasistha: rsync using ssh? |
| 09:44.30 | wols | run a ssh server |
| 09:44.31 | liable | Vasistha: scp? |
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| 09:44.39 | Fox_1_ | liable, thanks |
| 09:44.41 | Vasistha | okay, will try ssh |
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| 09:44.42 | wols | Vasistha: and then use sftp client |
| 09:44.49 | Vasistha | easy = good at this point! |
| 09:45.02 | liable | rsyncd isnt even suggested y the authors |
| 09:45.08 | wols | sftp is not vrey fast, but very easy. works like ftp without the hassle |
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| 09:46.30 | Vasistha | is it very easy to set up an ssh tunnel? I need to transfer 22 GB to back up a system |
| 09:46.47 | Vasistha | I'd prefer to tar it up and transfer as it tars |
| 09:46.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vasistha: why not just rsyndc over ssh? |
| 09:47.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/d// |
| 09:47.11 | Kevin` | Vasistha I gave you an example of tar over ssh before |
| 09:47.28 | Kevin` | Vasistha add z to tar though, for compression |
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| 09:47.40 | liable | no difference in transferring tars than anything else.. |
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| 09:47.45 | NetEcho | Kevin` know if you have to do anything after installing Vmware tools to get the VNC mouse working? |
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| 09:47.57 | Vasistha | Kevin`: indeed, you did ... I should have done that in the first place, instead of being distracted by the rsync suggestion :P |
| 09:48.00 | wols | Vasistha: you don't need a tunnel for that |
| 09:48.24 | Kevin` | tar cz . |ssh user@remote.host "cd /destination; tar xvz" |
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| 09:49.03 | Kevin` | if that fails somehow, finish it with rsync |
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| 09:49.23 | Fox_1_ | people here http://paste.debian.net/48462 is my vsftpd configuration file. with this configuration anonymous should has access to upload file, but it write "553 Could not create file.". can anyone help me? |
| 09:49.24 | jelly-home | tar defaults to stdin/stdout? |
| 09:49.33 | Kevin` | jelly-home correct |
| 09:49.42 | jelly-home | since when? |
| 09:49.48 | Kevin` | ..ever? |
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| 09:50.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Fox_1_: filesytem permissions perhaps? |
| 09:50.08 | wols | jelly-home: there is a reason you neef "-f" everytime |
| 09:50.18 | wols | *need |
| 09:50.24 | jelly-home | istr /dev/tape was the default |
| 09:50.27 | Vasistha | Kevin`: I'd actually just as soon keep it as a tar file; so "cd /destination; cat >bkup.tar" # ought to work right? |
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| 09:50.43 | Fox_1_ | folder is /var/ftp and ftp user has permissions to execute var and write ftp |
| 09:50.45 | Kevin` | Vasistha yeah. |
| 09:50.55 | Kevin` | Vasistha format is tar.gz though |
| 09:51.07 | jelly-home | wols: yes, and most times that f is - :-) |
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| 09:52.11 | Swelly | Hey, i've just installed debian 4.0r0 on an amd 64 with asus M2a-VM HDMI motherboard, and i can't seem to get any network :( the link light doesn't even come up on the switch.... it's been assigned an IP and pinging own ip and loopback work but no link :( Anyone got any tips to help me out ? |
| 09:52.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Swelly: check the cable? |
| 09:52.41 | Swelly | tried 3 cables which work with other pc |
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| 09:52.53 | Swelly | and it was working before the install jsut fine under windows :/ |
| 09:52.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | where did it get the IP from? |
| 09:53.06 | Swelly | i assigned a static |
| 09:53.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | what sort of Nic is it? |
| 09:53.56 | Swelly | onboard nic |
| 09:54.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | what chipset? |
| 09:54.14 | Swelly | i don't honestly know i'll just check up on that |
| 09:54.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | (btw, why not etch r2?) |
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| 09:54.46 | the_sniff | a metric value is how much ttls would it take from the packet? |
| 09:55.04 | Swelly | haven't got r2 cos it's 4gig download and have a 10gig cap per month, a friend had r0 so just burnt it :( |
| 09:55.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | bah. 1st install cd is 600mb |
| 09:55.41 | wols | a netinst CD is 150MB |
| 09:55.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | that too |
| 09:56.33 | wols | !tell Swelly about kmuto |
| 09:56.49 | Swelly | so u think getting r2 would be worth it ? i mean at this point i'd do the 4gig i guess, but it would suck to get it and have it not solve the problem |
| 09:57.29 | wols | Swelly: no |
| 09:57.35 | wols | get the kmuto installer instead |
| 09:57.46 | wols | and you haven#t told us what NIC you actually have |
| 09:58.21 | Swelly | it's onboard part of the 690G chipset i'm trying to find out but all the asus website says is PCIE nic |
| 09:58.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | Swelly: what does 'lspci' give? |
| 09:58.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | or `lspci |grep E` |
| 09:58.43 | wols | lspci -n will tel you |
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| 09:59.06 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: will most likely say "unknown device" |
| 09:59.27 | Swelly | it says realtek 8111/8168B |
| 09:59.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols: i'm just wondering if its a firmware card |
| 09:59.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/card/chipset |
| 09:59.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | which it is |
| 09:59.55 | wols | but linux has drivers for it |
| 09:59.59 | wols | in the kernel |
| 10:00.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | i expect the firmware would be cleaned ouit of the debian kernel |
| 10:00.44 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: I doubt this is the one you mean |
| 10:01.00 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.14 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: it's no wlan |
| 10:01.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols: my gig ethernet at home doesnt work, and i think its because of firmware |
| 10:01.53 | Swelly | wols, which of the three options of kmuto would u recommend if that's the way to go ? etch-custom-1013.iso - kernel version 2.6.23 + experimental e1000e driver . << that one seems the most sensible ? |
| 10:02.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | the card is a Broadcom :( |
| 10:02.01 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: what chip? |
| 10:02.35 | the_sniff | et ssh home |
| 10:02.52 | NetEcho | whats the name of the package you need to reconfigure to change from GNOME session manager to KDE session manager |
| 10:03.10 | wols | NetEcho: kdm |
| 10:03.15 | NetEcho | thanks |
| 10:03.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols: 05:02.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5782 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03) |
| 10:03.31 | wols | he isn't using broadcom |
| 10:03.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, he wasnt. |
| 10:03.45 | wols | and broadcoms are very iffy. realtek is totally different animal |
| 10:04.00 | wols | not that it's good but it's not purposefully anti linux like broadcom |
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| 10:04.12 | zophy | what is the best white supremacy website ? |
| 10:04.15 | Swelly | do u want me to open up the box and check if there's a realtek chip on the motherboard ? :) |
| 10:04.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've not had much joy with modern realteks |
| 10:04.30 | Swelly | just to be sure it chose the right thing |
| 10:04.30 | the_sniff | man my internet is ghey : |
| 10:04.31 | the_sniff | :< |
| 10:04.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Swelly: hehe. no :) |
| 10:04.35 | wols | lspci IS a realtek chip |
| 10:04.53 | wols | zophy: please keep this up so you can be klined faster |
| 10:05.08 | Swelly | zopy www.blackpeopleloveus.com |
| 10:05.09 | wols | !tell the_sniff about gay |
| 10:05.19 | the_sniff | i said ghey! |
| 10:05.45 | the_sniff | wols wants you to know: It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. |
| 10:05.46 | the_sniff | WTF :| |
| 10:05.50 | wols | and I said fsck you and I mean it |
| 10:06.14 | the_sniff | a fsck you right back at you my friend :> |
| 10:06.19 | Swelly | getting a 3com pci card would solve this ? :) although i'd rather not spend money if i don't have to :/ |
| 10:06.20 | zophy | i'm looking for diverse political assessments about the presidential candidates |
| 10:06.44 | wols | zophy: you are OT by whole solar systems |
| 10:06.47 | wols | now go away |
| 10:06.54 | the_sniff | OT? |
| 10:07.02 | wols | !OT |
| 10:07.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 10:07.10 | liable | zophy: wtf are you asking us? |
| 10:07.29 | zophy | i just happened to be here |
| 10:08.21 | zophy | diversity doesn't happen without effort |
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| 10:08.52 | wols | trolling doesn't happen without effort either. now ask some channel where it's on topic |
| 10:08.57 | liable | #debian isnt about diversity, its about debian |
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| 10:09.13 | Swelly | so Kamping_Kaiser, wols, any ideas where to go from here ? :) |
| 10:09.16 | wols | yes, we are bigoted dbeian zealots and proud of it |
| 10:09.19 | liable | mostly |
| 10:09.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | Swelly: try the special cd wols suggested |
| 10:09.38 | wols | liable: take that back or I tell it the dbeian tought police |
| 10:09.45 | Swelly | ok i'll give that one a go :) |
| 10:09.46 | wols | *thought |
| 10:10.26 | wols | Swelly: if you can, get a backported kernel and install it |
| 10:10.38 | wols | copy over the .deb via usb stick or such and install |
| 10:10.40 | wols | !tell Swelly about backports |
| 10:10.42 | liable | wols: was actually bad timing, i was responding to my own comment ;) |
| 10:10.44 | idimmu | is there a reasonable way to change the arch of a deb package? |
| 10:10.51 | idimmu | the original sources have been lost in time |
| 10:11.04 | wols | idimmu: compile it under a differnt arch |
| 10:11.17 | idimmu | the sources are lost and its just a bunch of php |
| 10:11.21 | idimmu | so it's all arch |
| 10:11.21 | wols | arch means it's a differnet commandset. no way but to recompile |
| 10:11.26 | wols | the machine code is arch specific |
| 10:11.34 | Swelly | wols, that site u gave me is darn slow going at about 8k a sec, are those mirrored anywhere that you're aware of ? |
| 10:11.38 | wols | s/commandset/ISA/ |
| 10:11.38 | idimmu | php pages are flat text files :) |
| 10:11.48 | wols | they have "all" as platform and not i386 |
| 10:12.01 | idimmu | the package is built for i386 though |
| 10:12.17 | idimmu | so wont install on our amd64s |
| 10:12.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | unpack it then make a new deb? |
| 10:12.30 | wols | does it contain ELF binaries? |
| 10:12.39 | idimmu | no its just flat text files |
| 10:12.52 | wols | then just unpack it |
| 10:12.54 | idimmu | unpacking it sound sensible |
| 10:13.05 | wols | and it shouldn't be i385. bad package |
| 10:13.45 | idimmu | ok thanks for the help |
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| 10:15.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 10:15.41 | Vasistha | ah, sweetness, it is working :) |
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| 10:16.25 | mynullvoid | hello all |
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| 10:19.09 | the_sniff | i seem to fail to define a proper routing |
| 10:19.21 | the_sniff | someone made it loop endlessly but i can't fix it :( |
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| 10:19.36 | liable | the_sniff: eh? |
| 10:19.39 | themill | !tell Ya about ircroot |
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| 10:21.15 | the_sniff | ircroot? |
| 10:21.35 | the_sniff | liable: someone defined a route that keeps looping with some server's IP and i can't fix it heh |
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| 10:23.29 | liable | the_sniff: remove it? |
| 10:24.14 | the_sniff | can't since its using a sbox firewall and if i remove it i won't have access to the server anymore :p |
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| 10:24.27 | tapas | does the output of the init scripts get collected somewhere? |
| 10:24.39 | liable | sucks to be you then :P |
| 10:24.44 | the_sniff | tapas i think dmesg |
| 10:24.47 | the_sniff | liable yeah :( |
| 10:24.54 | the_sniff | we have a company managing that server |
| 10:24.59 | tapas | nah dmesg is just the kernel msgs |
| 10:25.09 | the_sniff | and they keep whining and saying "we don't support that" on everything! |
| 10:25.14 | the_sniff | /var/log/messages |
| 10:25.33 | the_sniff | and afaik rc scripts do show on dmesg but i might be confusing it with /var/log/messages |
| 10:25.47 | tapas | they show neither in dmesg nor messages |
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| 10:27.15 | the_sniff | hmmf |
| 10:27.26 | the_sniff | maybe it was the tty i was looking atD: |
| 10:30.14 | tapas | i guess the only way is to use a serial console and captuire the output there |
| 10:30.19 | tapas | hmm |
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| 10:34.21 | smallGnome | What is the preferred way of setting the wallpaper when using ratpoison as a VM? Trying to install as few packages as possible on this system |
| 10:34.57 | smallGnome | er. |
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| 10:35.00 | smallGnome | s/VM/WM/ |
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| 10:38.13 | the_sniff | whats WM? |
| 10:38.14 | the_sniff | !WM |
| 10:38.15 | dpkg | window manager is probably a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 10:38.17 | the_sniff | oh |
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| 10:39.40 | the_sniff | i get a SparesMissing event on /dev/md0:white |
| 10:39.46 | the_sniff | i think its every time the server reboots |
| 10:40.07 | the_sniff | the thing is there's no spare missing heh, and even the content of the event email says so! |
| 10:40.08 | the_sniff | wtF? |
| 10:40.10 | the_sniff | wtf* |
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| 10:45.22 | Bwyan | !help |
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| 10:47.51 | adinc | i would like to update to a new php package 5.2.0-8+etch10 from 5.2.0-8+etch7. aptitude gives me a score of -170 i don't know what this means, can someone tell me if this is ok |
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| 10:49.52 | pep | Is OpenOffice.or Base broken in etch/x86_64? |
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| 10:51.17 | Crypticfortune | pep: mine crashes X occassionally, but i don't know whether that's openoffice's fault, or my x config, or something else... |
| 10:51.35 | pep | Crypticfortune: all other OO apps work well |
| 10:52.15 | pep | Crypticfortune: yesterday, I tried to create a database in Base, but it simply hangs when I click on 'Tables' icon |
| 10:52.32 | pep | Crypticfortune: and all other OO apps hangs then too |
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| 10:53.56 | Crypticfortune | pep: hmmm sorry, don't think i can help you. (unrelated but when my OO crashes (usually after clicking a menu button), all of X stops responding, and my mouse gets like 2 fps) |
| 10:54.49 | pep | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385149 |
| 10:54.58 | pep | I've got the same error message |
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| 10:56.53 | Crypticfortune | pep: but not a proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 10:57.16 | pep | ATI driver |
| 10:58.49 | Crypticfortune | you should submit a bug i guess... |
| 11:00.44 | harpal | Hey I have one problem If I do single click than it got double click and open that document |
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| 11:08.34 | pep | OK, it works with Sun's Java. |
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| 11:09.30 | pep | The previous setting was GCJ. |
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| 11:15.34 | dokma | hi ppl |
| 11:15.56 | dokma | I'm thinking about buying a second dedicated box so I can setup my own DNS system for web hosting |
| 11:16.06 | dokma | can anyone tell me some good reading for this? |
| 11:16.34 | wols | what is a good streaming audio player playing .m3u files (mp3)? |
| 11:17.08 | wols | dokma: DNS and BIND by o'reilly. have fun |
| 11:17.27 | dokma | thanks man |
| 11:17.31 | dokma | will check it out |
| 11:18.02 | themill | wols: I think totem can do it |
| 11:18.48 | wols | don't like all in one players too much. totem video I can see but audio? |
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| 11:19.05 | wols | tried my old mainstay xmms but it seems it no wanna. on windows I use foobar |
| 11:19.22 | harpal | wols: rhythmbox? |
| 11:19.45 | wols | !info rhythmbox |
| 11:19.53 | themill | wols: mplayer :) |
| 11:20.10 | wols | I have a url of the sort http://dradio.de/dlf.m3u |
| 11:20.19 | wols | this i need to listen to. and damn xmms no wanna |
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| 11:20.29 | wols | ogg and wmp is available too even |
| 11:20.42 | eeos | anyone with an idea about a very high performance compiled laguage that can be used for mathematcal / statistical calculations on grid? |
| 11:20.50 | dpkg | rhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.10.1-1+b3 (sid), Packaged size: 4134 kB, Installed size: 9396 kB |
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| 11:21.01 | wols | wow. the bloat is staggering |
| 11:21.23 | wols | eeos: it's called FORTRAN |
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| 11:21.38 | wols | if it's good enough for the top500 list, it's good enough for you |
| 11:21.46 | PiousMinion | How safe is it to install libc6(and it's dependencies) from lenny onto an etch system? It warns me as if it really doesn't want to do it. |
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| 11:21.58 | wols | PiousMinion: you break your debian if you do it |
| 11:22.03 | wols | so NEVER ever do it |
| 11:22.09 | wols | and I mean break |
| 11:22.14 | PiousMinion | hehe |
| 11:22.22 | liable | PiousMinion: its warnings are valid |
| 11:22.36 | streuner_ | !ops abrakadabra spamming people with PM in order to join dalnet |
| 11:22.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner_ complains about: abrakadabra spamming people with PM in order to join dalnet |
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| 11:22.50 | Dazgar1 | hi tehre |
| 11:22.52 | troubled | streuner_: you too? |
| 11:22.53 | Dazgar1 | tehre |
| 11:22.57 | Dazgar1 | there |
| 11:23.05 | PiousMinion | Ok, well I'm trying to compile some newer packages from lenny/sid and they all require the newer libc6. Am I just screwed? |
| 11:23.05 | streuner_ | troubled: sure :-) |
| 11:23.06 | wols | streuner_: come one. lets go to that dalnet channel, do a channel invasion and troll a little |
| 11:23.06 | troubled | PhilKC: ^^^^ |
| 11:23.17 | wols | I am a OS/2 user, yozu can choose whatever else you want |
| 11:23.18 | eeos | wols: is that still around? is it higher performance than C? would that work o grid? |
| 11:23.30 | troubled | streuner_: someone was in #freenode earlier asking about advertising for dalnet. i can only assume... |
| 11:23.40 | wols | eeos: it's the default language for high performance computing last I checked |
| 11:23.50 | troubled | wols: /nick wols_ |
| 11:24.20 | Dazgar1 | im in search for a linux way to sync 2 filssystems, other than DRBD, but wirking teh same way |
| 11:24.24 | Dazgar1 | any idea ? |
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| 11:24.41 | xand | how do I disable bitmap fonts in X? |
| 11:24.50 | xand | I did it before but can't remember how |
| 11:24.58 | eeos | wols: can you please point me out to some resources, if you know any? like tutorials, especially on grid |
| 11:25.24 | wols | no, sorry |
| 11:26.20 | eeos | wols: thanks all the same :) |
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| 11:26.50 | wols | eeos: but IIRC no open source compiler is really high performance |
| 11:27.01 | wols | ie Intel beats gcc everytime |
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| 11:27.39 | garotosopa | Hi. I included my user in sudoers for /etc/init.d/apache2 but when I run it with sudo I get "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 80: 4293 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -k $ARGV failed!" although Apache starts correctly. Is it a bug I should report or it's really not supposed to work? |
| 11:27.40 | themill | wols: gcc is getting better. Last time I looked there wasn't much in it. |
| 11:27.44 | troubled | wols: free pascal's compiler is decent iirc |
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| 11:28.29 | PiousMinion | Is there a deb repo of the packages found here? --> http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ |
| 11:28.29 | wols | yay! a rhythmbox install means only 90MB more crap on disk. yay! |
| 11:28.43 | wols | !tell PiousMinion about backports |
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| 11:29.24 | streuner | hm |
| 11:29.34 | eeos | wols: iirc? |
| 11:29.45 | themill | !iirc |
| 11:29.45 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 11:29.46 | wols | !iirc |
| 11:29.53 | themill | I win |
| 11:30.00 | RichiH | streuner_: isn't that !ops a bit old? |
| 11:30.16 | streuner | !win themill |
| 11:30.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 11:30.20 | themill | :( |
| 11:30.33 | wols | themill: hillary will fucken kill you |
| 11:30.45 | pep | wols: how about open64? |
| 11:30.58 | eeos | thanks wols! |
| 11:31.02 | wols | pep: anything is fair game if it's obscure |
| 11:31.03 | liable | themill: dont worry, all the macdonalds you could eat.. oh wait.. |
| 11:31.06 | streuner | RichiH: some people told me not to touch that cmd., it seems a tradition not to alter that. |
| 11:31.46 | streuner | RichiH: i just add new ops, not more... |
| 11:31.47 | themill | It will hit the irc line limit soon... |
| 11:32.02 | pep | wols: open64 is a GPLed C compiler |
| 11:32.13 | eeos | wols: what difference in performances intel vs gcc or other open source compilers? |
| 11:32.15 | liable | who did what? |
| 11:32.42 | sussudio | some fucker MSGed me. |
| 11:32.53 | RichiH | streuner: i mean the fact that he quit a few hours before you !ops'ed |
| 11:33.17 | pep | wols: it is aimed at Intel 64 bit architectures |
| 11:33.19 | RichiH | or is he messaging _right now_? |
| 11:33.32 | sussudio | assassin1 spammed me 10 mins ago |
| 11:33.53 | streuner | RichiH: oh, just switched to #debian ... |
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| 11:33.58 | pep | wols: I discovered it a day before yesterday :) |
| 11:34.12 | rmrfchik | is there any with 2.6.23 and nvidia on x86_64? |
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| 11:34.22 | eeos | pep: is it good? is it more performant than intel / gcc? |
| 11:34.23 | rmrfchik | official driver can't be built |
| 11:34.29 | rmrfchik | undefined reference to `boot_cpu_data' |
| 11:34.38 | pep | eeos: I don't know |
| 11:34.43 | rmrfchik | I think because of linux-libc-dev 2.6.22 |
| 11:34.44 | sussudio | can someone zline assasin1? |
| 11:34.50 | wols | pep: is open64 a OS or a compiler? |
| 11:34.53 | pep | eeos: it seems to have GCC compatibility mode |
| 11:34.55 | liable | meh, why dont i ever get any pr0n spam anymore |
| 11:35.01 | pep | wols: it is a C compiler |
| 11:35.05 | garotosopa | rmrfchik, I installed the nvidia driver for 2.6.22-3-amd64 with no problems |
| 11:35.08 | eeos | pep: have you used it? |
| 11:35.17 | pep | wols: the operating system is called Tru64, Open64 is a compiler |
| 11:35.19 | wols | liable: not enough midget websites to go around |
| 11:35.20 | liable | you irc cops are *to_efficient* |
| 11:35.28 | pep | eeos: not yet |
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| 11:35.37 | liable | wols: hw did you know i'm 3'5" ? |
| 11:35.42 | beardy | sussudio: He spammed me aswell. |
| 11:35.48 | sussudio | kill it with fire |
| 11:35.55 | eeos | pep: :) |
| 11:35.55 | wols | liable: your taste for midget pr0n of course |
| 11:36.02 | eeos | pep: goig to use it? |
| 11:36.04 | sussudio | !gamp |
| 11:36.21 | sussudio | dpkg: you're useless |
| 11:36.32 | rmrfchik | garotosopa: I need 2.6.23, this is only kernel for asus p5k |
| 11:36.37 | liable | !room |
| 11:36.37 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 11:36.43 | streuner_ | RichiH: log entry - Feb 5 12:21:31 2008 |
| 11:36.44 | liable | yeah well.. |
| 11:36.49 | gynterk | how can I make a list for zip -cf ? |
| 11:36.55 | pep | eeos: you mean -- recompile my Debian with open64? |
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| 11:37.18 | eeos | pep: no .... using it for compiling a program of yours .... :) |
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| 11:37.46 | beardy | gynterk: Tell us what that list needs to look like? (I guess you mean 'ls -1 *whatever') |
| 11:37.55 | gynterk | have no idea :D |
| 11:38.13 | gynterk | nevermind |
| 11:38.15 | gynterk | already got :d |
| 11:38.26 | garotosopa | that's what I call unexpected answer |
| 11:38.41 | beardy | gynterk: Someone else might soon say "use find". |
| 11:39.34 | pep | eeos: what for? the most programs I write are written in scripting languages :) |
| 11:39.42 | eeos | pep: :( |
| 11:40.09 | eeos | pep: I was hopig to get some real world feedback from you .... |
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| 11:40.29 | pep | eeos: yup, it would be good to have some benchmarks |
| 11:41.21 | pep | eeos: about compilation speed and the quality of generated code |
| 11:43.24 | wols | !install kde |
| 11:43.24 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 11:44.20 | pep | eeos: BTW did you notive that after Sun released its JVM on GPL, it is legal now to publish its benchmarks and comparisons to other JVMs? |
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| 11:47.03 | pep | eeos: previously, they could have sued you if you published the benchmark results without their permission |
| 11:47.19 | Bwyan | awesome |
| 11:47.30 | pep | um |
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| 11:47.45 | eeos | pep: yes, I am finally usig java now! |
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| 11:48.45 | eeos | pep: I think they still have to release some part of the code .... I do not know if they have solved the problems yet |
| 11:48.54 | themill | pep: well, it will be once they finally *do* release the jvm under the gpl. It's not yet and it would still be problematic to use older versions |
| 11:49.29 | eeos | themill: well, they have released a great part of it, the wide majority of the code |
| 11:49.56 | the_sniff | is there a way to see what gw address is used for a ping or traceroute etc? |
| 11:50.19 | themill | eeos: yes, but not enough to actually make a jvm yet, even when you pull in a whole lot from gnu classpath and friends (a.k.a. iced tea) |
| 11:51.29 | eeos | themill: I am happily running eclipse on gcj/gij though .... |
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| 11:52.29 | pep | yup, eclipse was ported to GIJ |
| 11:53.11 | eeos | themill: I think most of sun's java is os now really |
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| 11:53.18 | eeos | themill: version 6 is going to be for sure |
| 11:53.28 | themill | you mean 7? |
| 11:53.32 | themill | eeos: It's all getting there. Slowly. It's been over 12 months now and there's still not really a free java2 implementation that has good enough code coverage and not just lots of stubs. (And don't ask about performance) |
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| 11:55.01 | eeos | themill: version 7, sorry |
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| 11:57.12 | the_sniff | java is crappy :( |
| 11:57.24 | streuner | tell news |
| 11:57.35 | the_sniff | haha |
| 11:58.09 | the_sniff | and most #java people are arrogant :E |
| 11:58.09 | techouse | hey |
| 11:58.34 | techouse | what kind of blocks does fs2resize use? |
| 11:58.55 | Dazgar1 | the_sniff: lol |
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| 11:59.43 | the_sniff | Dazgar1: man i code in many languages and java is one i do since i have to and im seriously bad at it and have to plans to change that |
| 11:59.52 | the_sniff | and i've been a programmer for like 7 years |
| 11:59.53 | wols | RichiH: TheSaint- is spamming for dalnet. right now |
| 12:00.02 | techouse | yep |
| 12:00.08 | techouse | i got a msg from him too |
| 12:00.08 | wols | well, 3 minutes ago |
| 12:00.11 | the_sniff | and they keep telling me you should first be a programmer etc since i've got newbie questions |
| 12:00.32 | the_sniff | and i've gotten just one question answered out of like 100 which i had to solve myself |
| 12:00.53 | the_sniff | why the heck is it there if they just keep on dissing people instead of helping for heaven's sake :e |
| 12:01.04 | gordonjcp | the_sniff: java is made of fail, anyway |
| 12:01.34 | gordonjcp | the only thing java is useful for is irritating web applets, and setting homework assignments for Comp Sci students |
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| 12:01.49 | the_sniff | right on sistah :p |
| 12:01.51 | gordonjcp | </flame> ;-) |
| 12:01.57 | the_sniff | no seriously, man |
| 12:02.18 | gordonjcp | if you want to learn Java, learn Java |
| 12:02.20 | the_sniff | i code in so many languages, and java by far is the worst, slow, bloated and hard to delpoy |
| 12:02.26 | gordonjcp | and it probably is worth knowing a bit |
| 12:02.27 | the_sniff | and has arses for users :p |
| 12:02.36 | gordonjcp | Python ftw |
| 12:03.00 | gordonjcp | but this isn't terribly on-topic for #debian |
| 12:03.00 | the_sniff | i know my bit cause i had to work on some project noone would do, and i think it's enough :p |
| 12:03.03 | pep | Python has its own VM too |
| 12:03.04 | wols | the_sniff: good to know you use java |
| 12:03.17 | wols | pep: several. among others, jvm |
| 12:03.29 | the_sniff | imo python sucks syntax wise, but thats gonna start some OT converstion :p |
| 12:03.33 | the_sniff | wols: how is it good? |
| 12:03.43 | pep | wols: but there is PyVM, the native CPython virtual machine |
| 12:03.55 | streuner | RichiH: "TheSaint-" spamming about dalnet right now |
| 12:03.57 | wols | pep: any PyPy |
| 12:04.06 | gordonjcp | streuner: yeah, I had that ;-) |
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| 12:04.38 | wols | !ops RichiH come back pretty please |
| 12:04.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: RichiH come back pretty please |
| 12:04.38 | streuner | hihi |
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| 12:04.38 | techouse | how do i start resize2fs? when i enter the options it just gives me this: http://pastebin.com/m3027b0a3 |
| 12:04.38 | streuner | poor RichiH, much work :-) |
| 12:04.59 | RichiH | hmm |
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| 12:05.32 | wols | RichiH: he isn't in the channel of course |
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| 12:06.07 | rcmodel8810 | debian:/usr/src/xine-lib# make && make install |
| 12:06.07 | rcmodel8810 | rm -f cs.gmo && : -c --statistics -o cs.gmo cs.po |
| 12:06.07 | rcmodel8810 | mv: cannot stat `t-cs.gmo': No such file or directory |
| 12:06.07 | rcmodel8810 | make[2]: *** [cs.gmo] Error 1 |
| 12:06.07 | rcmodel8810 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xine-lib/po' |
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| 12:07.24 | streuner | /usr/scr/xine-lib/ what the hell he want to compile? :-) |
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| 12:07.41 | wols | language files |
| 12:07.43 | debbb | hello |
| 12:08.01 | debbb | what mkinit program supports specifying root device? |
| 12:08.14 | wols | debbb: why would you? |
| 12:08.19 | wols | and what is "mkinit"? |
| 12:08.27 | debbb | because I installed windows and my hda2 became hda3 |
| 12:08.35 | debbb | tool to make a boot image |
| 12:08.41 | wols | edit your menu.lst, your fstab and it's done |
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| 12:08.49 | wols | !tell debbb about rescue |
| 12:08.56 | debbb | what about the boot.img? |
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| 12:09.07 | wols | I just gave you the command to use |
| 12:09.18 | debbb | I mean initrd.img |
| 12:09.28 | wols | you boot the kernel from CD and the rest you can use your existing debian install |
| 12:09.33 | wols | you don't need it |
| 12:09.34 | gordonjcp | man, ffs, techouse only hung around for about three minutes |
| 12:09.40 | gordonjcp | I was just about to answer his question |
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| 12:10.13 | wols | or you boot from debian cd only. that works too |
| 12:10.16 | debbb | wols my grub uses initrd.img |
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| 12:10.27 | debbb | and if that initrd.img is not updated with hda3 it won't boot |
| 12:10.36 | wols | it doesn't matter your initrd doesn't need or care about where anything is |
| 12:10.44 | wols | wrong |
| 12:10.54 | debbb | ok, let me try |
| 12:11.01 | karmatronic | debbb:agree with wols |
| 12:11.08 | wols | menu.lst and fstab. that's all |
| 12:11.17 | wols | you can even do it from windows with explore2fs |
| 12:11.22 | themill | gordonjcp: use /ignore... it's easier for that particular case |
| 12:11.28 | wols | if ext3 is used |
| 12:11.30 | gordonjcp | themill: ? |
| 12:13.13 | wols | themill: do I see right you don't like techouse? |
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| 12:15.44 | Arrick | whats the name of the LAMP server for debain, I cant get anything with apt-cache lamp or lamp-server |
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| 12:16.07 | wols | !lamp |
| 12:16.07 | dpkg | hmm... lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 12:16.26 | wols | so you install apache, mysql and php |
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| 12:20.49 | jelly | ... would it be LAMP if it ran on kfreebsd? |
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| 12:21.22 | the_sniff | kfreebsd? |
| 12:21.24 | the_sniff | KAMP :p |
| 12:21.29 | Arrick | thanks |
| 12:21.54 | Arrick | ok, now, whats the syntax for changing permissions from -r-------- to -rw----- |
| 12:22.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | the_sniff: yes? :P |
| 12:22.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arrick: you want to use chmod |
| 12:23.05 | Arrick | yes, I know that, but I cant get it to put the permissions right, |
| 12:23.24 | Arrick | I need -rw but when I put it in, it goes flatline ----------- |
| 12:23.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | what have you tried? |
| 12:23.32 | consfearacy | Arrick, chmod 600 |
| 12:23.38 | Arrick | ok tahnks |
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| 12:26.01 | Arrick | consfearacy, ok, thats done, how about for -rwxr-xr-x and then -rw-r--r-- consfearacy ? |
| 12:26.13 | xored | i have a old script here, using mail -s "subject" ... what is the current port for that? sendmail .. ? |
| 12:26.16 | consfearacy | chmod 644 |
| 12:26.21 | Arrick | this thing is a virtual machine and I moved it from windows |
| 12:26.38 | Arrick | is that the second one? |
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| 12:26.55 | consfearacy | Arrick, r=4, w=2, x=1... so if you want rwx you say 7, or r-x you say 5 |
| 12:27.07 | consfearacy | Arrick, yes the second, the first one is 755 |
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| 12:27.28 | Arrick | ok thanks a bundle |
| 12:27.43 | consfearacy | np |
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| 12:30.33 | karmatronic | xored: exim4 |
| 12:32.22 | xored | karmatronic: iam using exim, but how would i give the subject in the command line ? |
| 12:32.26 | Arrick | hrmmm |
| 12:32.59 | xored | karmatronic: i alway thought, the MTA`s are exporting a virtuelll interface ( sendmail interface ) to be exchangeable. But it seems like -s is gone ? |
| 12:35.28 | RichiH | i have a 56 GB file that i need to load in an editor to search for strings. grep is not really an option as the lines are loooooong. suggestions? |
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| 12:36.42 | pep | RichiH: regular expressions? |
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| 12:37.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | RichiH: fix whatevers making the log file :p |
| 12:37.47 | RichiH | Kamping_Kaiser: not an option |
| 12:38.00 | Noboru | can i ask a iconv problem ? |
| 12:38.07 | RichiH | pep: i am pondering that, but i need a look before i can create a good regexp |
| 12:38.27 | themill | RichiH: use perl regexps to do the matching and give a *little* context to the match (not the entire line). |
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| 12:38.55 | Noboru | iconv implementation glibc,is this okay ? |
| 12:39.39 | RichiH | themill: that is the fallback |
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| 12:39.48 | Noboru | hmm |
| 12:40.05 | themill | RichiH: a sed guru could probably come up with something for you... |
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| 12:40.39 | themill | RichiH: A good source of sed scripts => http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/scripts/ |
| 12:41.01 | gordonjcp | RichiH: split the file with something first? |
| 12:41.39 | themill | RichiH: You could also process the grep output with somethink like sed or awk or even perl to limit the context down to what you want rather than the very long line. |
| 12:42.27 | gordonjcp | there's a switch to pass to grep that restricts the context within a matching line |
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| 12:45.14 | ruben_ | Hello, I sign a message using mutt + gpg, but, what is the way to send a signature.asc as attachment? |
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| 12:46.02 | fxn | I am doing a fresh install in a 4.0 and get E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.6.ds1-13etch2_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found |
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| 12:46.13 | borbus | Hi... apt says that this package has been held back: linux-image-2.6-486, but even though last week I took this security update: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1479 |
| 12:46.15 | fxn | (via aptitude install libssl-dev) |
| 12:46.27 | borbus | So, how could the kernel be held back? And should I update it somehow? |
| 12:46.36 | wols | dist-upgrade |
| 12:46.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | fxn: doing fresh install or on a fresh intall? |
| 12:46.42 | wols | borbus: what CPU do you have? |
| 12:46.47 | borbus | amd64 |
| 12:46.52 | borbus | Oops |
| 12:46.53 | borbus | No |
| 12:46.55 | fxn | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry, on a pre-installed 4.0 in SliceHost |
| 12:46.57 | borbus | Just x86 |
| 12:47.02 | borbus | Thinking about my other box |
| 12:47.03 | wols | borbus: what cpu? there are different x86 ones |
| 12:47.11 | borbus | Athlon |
| 12:47.15 | borbus | Xp that is |
| 12:47.23 | wols | get the -686 kernel then. not the 486 one |
| 12:47.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | fxn: stop using ftp.d.o probably |
| 12:47.43 | themill | fxn: that's an old libc6 with security holes so it's been removed |
| 12:48.21 | fxn | good, do you recommend any other sources? |
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| 12:49.41 | themill | !tell fxn about mirrors |
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| 12:49.55 | borbus | wols, I think I was on 686 anyway, why would the 486 hold back? |
| 12:50.21 | fxn | it's been a long time since I've touched debian, is it still OK to edit sources.list? |
| 12:50.36 | jelly | fxn: it is |
| 12:50.47 | rmrfchik | fxn: it can harm you. be aware. |
| 12:50.53 | rmrfchik | use only certified editors |
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| 12:52.10 | fxn | if I change sources.list then should I aptitude update? |
| 12:52.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 12:52.29 | fxn | good thank you guys |
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| 12:53.12 | wols | !tell borbus about held back |
| 12:54.22 | Noboru | hi wols ,how are you |
| 12:54.22 | dpkg | Noboru: peachy |
| 12:54.44 | Noboru | may i know, which package do i need to get libiconv ? |
| 12:54.46 | wols | themill: is it sunday already? |
| 12:54.54 | wols | !tell Noboru about search |
| 12:55.20 | Noboru | or i dont need them at all ? i need iconv support ,heard its included in php5 already and i checked my phpinfo says iconv is enabled but |
| 12:55.39 | beardy | Hello wols ,what are you |
| 12:55.50 | wols | tired. very tired |
| 12:55.58 | beardy | Hmm. |
| 12:56.03 | smallGnome | What is the preferred way of setting the wallpaper when using ratpoison as my windowmanager? Trying to install as few packages as possible on this system |
| 12:56.17 | Noboru | i suspect it doesnt work property cuz i googled that many ppl have a line in php.ini called iconv implementation libiconv,but mine is iconv implementation glibc,so i guess i need to install libiconv ? |
| 12:56.36 | themill | wols: no, it's still Sunday. Permasunday. |
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| 12:56.47 | wols | aaaaaarrrrggggghhh! |
| 12:56.58 | wols | Noboru: if phpinfo has it, it's ok |
| 12:57.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | the eternal sunday should sound so good... but doesnt |
| 12:57.11 | Noboru | hmm |
| 12:57.15 | beardy | hi wols ,sunday |
| 12:57.17 | themill | !permasunday |
| 12:57.17 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 12:57.51 | wols | beardy: virtual prozac |
| 12:57.59 | wols | my buddy dpkg knows what I need |
| 12:58.12 | themill | !permasunday =~ s/!, or /! / |
| 12:58.12 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 13:07.25 | smallGnome | What is the preferred way of setting the X wallpaper when using ratpoison as my windowmanager? Trying to install as few packages as possible on this system |
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| 13:08.41 | jelly | real men don't have wallpaper. |
| 13:09.49 | Noboru | does anyone know where do i set this up ? iconv implementation |
| 13:10.06 | tralala | they have desktop backgrounds ;) |
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| 13:10.49 | jelly | smallGnome: xloadimage, perhaps |
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| 13:15.19 | gynterk | I have port 21 TCP in FORWARD chain, but FTP in passive mode can't get file list |
| 13:15.31 | gynterk | FORWARD chain is DROP, if i change it to ACCEPT then it works fine |
| 13:15.58 | tralala | gynterk, ask #iptables |
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| 13:16.07 | gynterk | sry |
| 13:16.10 | gynterk | wrong window :d |
| 13:16.36 | itom | hi all, you know the software for stats that is on the top of this screenshot? http://www.xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/54925-1.jpg |
| 13:17.07 | smallGnome | gynterk: ftp connection tracking. in passive mode, the ftp server opens another port for the data connection. you need to allow iptables to track the ftp connection and allow that additional port temporarily |
| 13:17.16 | smallGnome | iirc |
| 13:17.30 | smallGnome | jelly-home: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 13:17.58 | gynterk | smallGnome, thanks |
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| 13:19.48 | the_sniff | aah, xfce |
| 13:19.53 | the_sniff | its looks so sweet :< |
| 13:20.06 | the_sniff | wish there was a similiar look for windows |
| 13:20.10 | the_sniff | or a shell replacement :p |
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| 13:20.25 | the_sniff | maybe i'll do it, already have the skeleton |
| 13:20.25 | wols | themill: those are easy to find or make in that look |
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| 13:20.52 | wols | skeleton for what? |
| 13:20.59 | the_sniff | a shell replacement |
| 13:21.15 | themill | wols: ? |
| 13:21.17 | the_sniff | it has a lot of work to do but its, hmm well kind of, working |
| 13:21.27 | wols | I doubt it. systray handling alone is more than you can do |
| 13:21.47 | the_sniff | eh? |
| 13:21.49 | wols | themill: was for the_sniff |
| 13:22.03 | the_sniff | do i know you that you're making such a statement? |
| 13:22.19 | wols | I'm involved in the windows shell scene, yes |
| 13:22.30 | themill | ahh... I wondered that. Unique nicks so that tab completion works should be mandated. I have "t" reserved. |
| 13:22.32 | the_sniff | do i know _you_ |
| 13:22.42 | borbus | wols, when a package is held back does it not actually mean it wasn't installed..? |
| 13:22.46 | wols | how should I know |
| 13:22.49 | wols | borbus: yes |
| 13:22.51 | the_sniff | let alone, do you know me? |
| 13:23.00 | the_sniff | not only I can do it, I already did |
| 13:23.02 | wols | borbus: rather, it wasn't upgraded |
| 13:23.28 | borbus | Well.. I definitely upgraded to last weeks security update because I got the thing telling me I should reboot |
| 13:23.29 | wols | themill: there aren't too many working windows shells out there |
| 13:23.50 | borbus | But I just did dist-upgrade and it said it set up a new kernel but didn't tell me I hsould reboot |
| 13:23.52 | wols | so which one is yours? |
| 13:24.06 | wols | borbus: linux is a OS, not a toy |
| 13:24.14 | the_sniff | wols: its not fully working, not even close, i did it as a challenge and stopped when i had to do the window managing |
| 13:24.16 | wols | it doesn't reboot when files change |
| 13:24.22 | tralala | liable, you pervert! |
| 13:24.29 | liable | indeed! |
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| 13:24.32 | wols | the_sniff: that is not shell job in windows... |
| 13:24.33 | borbus | wols, apart from the kernel.. |
| 13:24.47 | borbus | I know I don't need to reboot for anything else |
| 13:24.49 | themill | tralala: hmmph |
| 13:24.52 | the_sniff | wols: i mean all the buttons, etc. |
| 13:24.59 | wols | borbus: by your own admission, the -486 kernel is not in use |
| 13:25.03 | the_sniff | http://www.cia.org.il/shell.rar this is it if you're really wondering |
| 13:25.19 | wols | the_sniff: that's not a shell. a shell replaces the full taskbar and the icons |
| 13:25.32 | wols | it doesn't do anything with the widgets |
| 13:25.32 | borbus | uname -r |
| 13:25.32 | borbus | 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 13:25.39 | nevyn | borbus: point is.. the system doesn't have to reboot until you're ready to reboot it. |
| 13:25.42 | borbus | I'm not sure why though.. I thought I was using a 686 kernel.. |
| 13:25.46 | nevyn | it's not forcing you to reboot |
| 13:25.47 | the_sniff | wols: huh? |
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| 13:26.04 | the_sniff | first of all, it does replace the taskbar |
| 13:26.07 | liable | borbus: you can get a 686 if you want |
| 13:26.12 | wols | the_sniff: it's a windows theme if you mean to change the look of windows windows. or a visual style. NOT a shell |
| 13:26.14 | borbus | Yeah.. I know but before when I've done a new kernel it has had a thing that recommends to reboot asap |
| 13:26.21 | the_sniff | 2nd, i did state its not closed to finish or will it be |
| 13:26.34 | borbus | And I got that last week for the security update.. and I did reboot |
| 13:26.37 | liable | borbus: if you get a new kernel, of course you need to reboot to use it |
| 13:26.39 | the_sniff | wols: that was NOT what i said |
| 13:26.41 | wols | borbus: then install the 686 one and use it as I told you. the 486 kernel is the wrong one |
| 13:26.47 | borbus | So I'm not sure why that package was still held back |
| 13:26.59 | the_sniff | wols: take a loot at the link i gave you. i meant the window button on the taskbar. |
| 13:27.07 | wols | the_sniff: a windows shell has nothing to do with window management either. and that is what you said |
| 13:27.07 | roddersg | anyone here conversant with apt-proxy I need some help on mirroring debian |
| 13:27.09 | borbus | Will that kernel supersede the 486 one? |
| 13:27.24 | jelly | borbus: you can remove the -486 one |
| 13:27.46 | jelly | borbus: ... after you have the -686 one working |
| 13:27.59 | borbus | It's a remote box.. I can't test kernels |
| 13:28.01 | the_sniff | wols: for heaven's sake, bug me not. I may have made a bad statement, just look at the link if you think I'm wrong. |
| 13:28.18 | liable | borbus: of course you can |
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| 13:28.23 | liable | borbus: live on the edge |
| 13:28.39 | tralala | or die trying |
| 13:28.45 | borbus | Yeah but if it doesn't work then I won't be able to edit grub again to fix it.. |
| 13:28.56 | liable | borbus: do you think we all have desktop boxen here? |
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| 13:29.18 | wols | the_sniff: how do you suppose can I run this right now? even if I would actually run it? |
| 13:29.23 | borbus | How do you test it without booting? |
| 13:29.25 | liable | why wouldnt it work? |
| 13:29.32 | wols | the_sniff: if you are interested in delphi shell programming, go to the sharpe folks |
| 13:29.53 | wols | borbus: you can have more than one kernel. actually it is a good idea to have more than one |
| 13:30.09 | the_sniff | this project is 2 years old, and i did speak to delphi programmers back than. and if i'm not mistaken sharpe didn't exist back then |
| 13:30.15 | the_sniff | it's a shell replacement |
| 13:30.17 | liable | borbus: going from 486 to 686 will work. I'll bet tralala's children on it |
| 13:30.20 | wols | borbus: do you have a debian CD? |
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| 13:30.25 | wols | the_sniff: how is it run? |
| 13:30.27 | borbus | I have 4 on my desktop machine.. but how can I boot to a different one with a remote box? |
| 13:30.30 | wols | or rather installed? |
| 13:30.35 | borbus | I can't control grub |
| 13:30.55 | the_sniff | the only thing i was stuck at technically is the window create/update/focus hook i was too lazy and knowledge lacking to fix cause i was getting messages i didn't need |
| 13:31.01 | the_sniff | wols: just run the exe |
| 13:31.04 | tralala | liable, no you won't! |
| 13:31.16 | wols | the_sniff: that's not how to run windows shells... cause then taskbar is still there |
| 13:31.18 | the_sniff | it does nothing fancy, just opens a taskbar |
| 13:31.21 | jelly | wols, the_sniff: ##windows |
| 13:31.25 | liable | tralala: wife then! |
| 13:31.42 | the_sniff | wols: i know, most taskbar installers ask you to reboot. not fun for debugging :> |
| 13:31.50 | tralala | liable, not even mother in law! |
| 13:31.58 | the_sniff | and i won't kill explorer myself |
| 13:32.00 | wols | reboot is not necessary, but killing explorer.exe is |
| 13:32.01 | liable | tralala: you chicken |
| 13:32.05 | the_sniff | it was not ment for low end users |
| 13:32.08 | tralala | heh |
| 13:32.08 | wols | the_sniff: but that's the point |
| 13:32.37 | smallGnome | What is the opposite of whitespace? |
| 13:32.38 | the_sniff | wols: it was not ment to be public, i just did it for kicks. might find some time to work on it (didn't for 2 years) |
| 13:32.38 | wols | but jelly is right |
| 13:32.39 | smallGnome | blackspace? |
| 13:32.51 | the_sniff | smallGnome no-space? |
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| 13:33.05 | the_sniff | i like ##windows, actually :p |
| 13:33.08 | tralala | smallGnome, ecapsetihw |
| 13:33.16 | liable | me is bopping out to tres chic nexus 6, such a stomping old techno track |
| 13:33.16 | the_sniff | wow its small |
| 13:33.24 | liable | dunno why i just shared that.. |
| 13:33.41 | the_sniff | wols: what project are you involved with? |
| 13:34.13 | wols | litestep |
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| 13:35.06 | jelly | smallGnome: unicode ZWS |
| 13:35.11 | the_sniff | its vc isn't it |
| 13:35.13 | the_sniff | ? |
| 13:35.40 | wols | or mingw |
| 13:35.55 | the_sniff | looks very good |
| 13:35.55 | wols | sharpe is written in delphi |
| 13:36.07 | the_sniff | i know, can't find it's source anywhere |
| 13:36.22 | the_sniff | one thing i couldn't find is how to capture desktop clicks |
| 13:37.15 | wols | sharpe-shell.org |
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| 13:39.30 | the_sniff | cool, upgrading libc6 isn't like it used to be |
| 13:39.36 | the_sniff | it askes you stuff:P! |
| 13:39.46 | debian_ | What is the name of the text based debian tetris? |
| 13:41.11 | tralala | debian_, /msg dpkg search |
| 13:41.22 | debian_ | tralala: Can find it... |
| 13:41.40 | tralala | try harder |
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| 13:42.01 | debian_ | The bot wont help me... |
| 13:42.15 | liable | !help debian_ |
| 13:42.27 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 13:42.27 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 13:43.05 | the_sniff | wols: what do you do in litestep? |
| 13:43.20 | wols | mostly hanging around. hobby stuff |
| 13:43.30 | debian_ | liable: Se it wouldnt |
| 13:43.55 | liable | debian_: the bot hates you |
| 13:44.10 | liable | it hates me too if thats any consolation.. |
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| 13:45.27 | debian_ | So now I have to only have fun by slaying random users, and writting crap messages with wall. But that will get me fired. |
| 13:46.01 | liable | hah |
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| 13:47.07 | the_sniff | Ó) |
| 13:47.10 | the_sniff | lol soory |
| 13:47.12 | the_sniff | sorry |
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| 13:47.23 | the_sniff | keep forgeting my global hotkeys :p |
| 13:47.27 | aib42 | how do I configure the package manager to list packages from a newer (testing, unstable, etc.) distribution? |
| 13:48.24 | S4nD3r | amsn takes almost 30MB in memory, its so much, pidgin takes only 10MB !!! |
| 13:48.40 | cahoot | aib42: you plan to change debian version? |
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| 13:49.20 | cahoot | aib42: else try backports - /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:49.42 | debian_ | Can I generate an automagical list that can make it easy to migrate to another computer? |
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| 13:50.12 | cahoot | !reinstall |
| 13:50.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
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| 13:50.51 | aib42 | cahoot: yes I plan to change my version |
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| 13:51.15 | debian_ | cahoot: Too me? |
| 13:51.20 | aib42 | cahoot: well, it would be better if I could mix old and new packages |
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| 13:51.44 | tralala | aib42, the good news is: you can |
| 13:51.49 | cahoot | debian_: yes - maybe the 3:rd method could apply |
| 13:52.18 | themill | !tell debian_ about aptitude clone |
| 13:52.27 | debian_ | dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install, then I can install it on a better system? |
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| 13:52.41 | themill | !tell debian_ about debian clone |
| 13:52.56 | themill | debian_: there are two methods for you that dpkg just told you. |
| 13:52.56 | Arrick | !tell Arrick about packages |
| 13:53.19 | Arrick | !tell Arrick about apache |
| 13:53.22 | debian_ | Yeah... |
| 13:53.58 | tralala | !+tell Arrick -about selftell |
| 13:54.00 | dpkg | told Arrick about selftell. |
| 13:54.18 | Arrick | yeah I just realized I could pm the bot |
| 13:54.20 | Arrick | thanks though |
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| 13:54.47 | debian_ | So would that text file thing work on one 64 and on 32bit system? |
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| 13:55.09 | tralala | debian_, mostly yes |
| 13:55.11 | Arrick | soo, if I am wanting to run the apache server, which version of the file would be better for me? |
| 13:55.18 | debian_ | apache2 |
| 13:55.52 | Arrick | yeah, it tells me apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild all include it, but which to I install, because apt-get install apache2 installs it, but it doesnt work |
| 13:55.58 | Arrick | doesnt allow connections |
| 13:56.15 | Schiz0 | I use apache2-mpm-prefork (mostly beccause php needs the prefork threading) |
| 13:56.42 | Arrick | ok, because I am wanting the LAMP stack eventually |
| 13:57.14 | themill | Arrick: aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server |
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| 13:57.31 | Arrick | thanks |
| 13:58.07 | debian_ | How can I test compiz fusion on an ssh-server? |
| 13:58.33 | aib42 | is there a tool for editing sources.list? say I want to upgrade my etch but I dont' know the name of the latest unstable branch |
| 13:58.42 | themill | debian_: You are kidding, aren't you? |
| 13:58.49 | debian_ | And how do I know if my video card is good enough? |
| 13:58.50 | jelly | Schiz0: you mean, "no threading" |
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| 13:59.02 | themill | aib42: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be |
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| 13:59.20 | debian_ | I dont know witch one it is... |
| 13:59.32 | debian_ | But it is one command that tells me! |
| 14:00.22 | debian_ | No answer? |
| 14:00.28 | lhadji | debian_: glxinfo | grep Direct that will tell you if your direct rendering is Yes or No. If it is Yes it will most likely be able to run compiz on that machine |
| 14:00.45 | lhadji | install glxinfo by mesa-utils i think |
| 14:00.58 | debian_ | Error: unable to open display (null) |
| 14:01.01 | themill | debian_: please think about your question very hard.... [13:58] <debian_> How can I test compiz fusion on an ssh-server? |
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| 14:01.18 | lhadji | you are trying to do it over ssh? |
| 14:01.21 | debian_ | themill: A good answer would be go home to your server... |
| 14:01.21 | jelly | debian_: in general, compiz is run locally. |
| 14:01.38 | debian_ | I want to use it when i get home. |
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| 14:02.01 | themill | debian_: compiz and server are not words that are usually in the same sentence. 3D graphics and remote connection don't go well together either. |
| 14:02.10 | aib42 | themill: I shouldn't be doing what? |
| 14:02.15 | debian_ | I |
| 14:02.20 | debian_ | Back in 30min |
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| 14:02.47 | karmatronic | themill: export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; compiz --replace & ; |
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| 14:03.46 | themill | karmatronic: yes... but that isn't testing it, is it? (and that doesn't really solve the running 3D on a server problem) |
| 14:03.54 | the_sniff | wols: hah, the sharpe site has exactly the two issues i've had trubles with totally explained:D |
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| 14:05.05 | themill | aib42: If you have to ask how to change your box to unstable (or even testing), you shouldn't do that. They aren't toys. They are people who are actively developing and testing debian who know how to sort out their own problems and who know how to read and use google. |
| 14:05.50 | happla | If you want debian unstable with lots of support, just install ubuntu =) |
| 14:06.10 | StrangeCharm | happla: ooh, burn |
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| 14:06.43 | themill | !start a distro war |
| 14:06.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 14:06.50 | aib42 | I'm sure you meant to say "...they are people who know about the debian way" and not outright insult me. |
| 14:07.13 | aislinux | dpkg, That WAS funnnnny :-) hehe |
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| 14:07.41 | StrangeCharm | aislinux: dpkg can't hear you; it's a bot |
| 14:07.49 | aislinux | (I Know) |
| 14:07.54 | tralala | dpkg, do you hear@ |
| 14:08.02 | tralala | dpkg, do you hear? |
| 14:08.25 | StrangeCharm | 'nuff said |
| 14:09.11 | themill | aib42: No, I meant to insult you. I am not going to google for you and there are plenty of documents available to you. Even this channel's /topic tells you how to find this information yourself. |
| 14:09.11 | aib42 | at this rate I can never actively develop and/or test debian anyway |
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| 14:10.30 | SlayerXP | aib42: if you can't figure out how to use unstable you do not have the knowledge and experience required to do so. |
| 14:10.32 | aib42 | aha, right. have you ever tried to google for the most basic questions regarding debian? you know what kind of pages turn up? |
| 14:10.44 | themill | aib42: /topic |
| 14:10.59 | themill | !tell aib42 about grounding |
| 14:11.05 | SlayerXP | aib42: if we told you how to use unstable and you did so, you'd then have a system that you would be unable to tell the difference between a bug and package breakage |
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| 14:11.36 | aib42 | nah, I was looking for the proper way to get the name of the latest stable/testing package |
| 14:11.52 | abrotman | the latest what? |
| 14:12.08 | aib42 | sid/lenny/whatever |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | if you go to debian.org/releases/ |
| 14:12.18 | the_sniff | downgrading libc6 is always sooooooo easy in a VM :( |
| 14:12.22 | daniel_John | Im aboutt to upgrade my kernal but am worried that xserver will crash as I use Automatix to install nvidia driver. I know you guys hate Automatix , and now so do I. |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | daniel_John: you could install nvidia crap the right way :) |
| 14:12.40 | SlayerXP | aib42: "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 14:12.49 | tapas | how do i clean the source tree in a debian package? |
| 14:12.52 | jelly | dpkg, do a somersault |
| 14:12.55 | tapas | just remove the build dir? |
| 14:13.22 | daniel_John | abrotman i know i know. I just need a simple solution to upgrade without the crash |
| 14:13.27 | tapas | i don't find an option for dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:13.43 | tralala | daniel_John, ask nvidia |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | daniel_John: it won't crash during the upgrade .. but when you boot with the new kernel .. nvidia won't be there anymore |
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| 14:14.20 | daniel_John | abrotman ok. I found out where the old config is Automaitix looks like it backs up cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /var/backups/xorg.conf_ax_original_backup |
| 14:14.24 | edistar | daniel_John: you have to recompile the nvidia module everytime you upgrade your kernel.. |
| 14:14.52 | edistar | daniel_John: just run automatix again after upgrading.. |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | edistar: or he could use the debian way? |
| 14:15.15 | the_sniff | whats the command to delete a route? |
| 14:15.15 | themill | edistar: you have to be kidding me |
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| 14:15.26 | abrotman | the_sniff: man route |
| 14:15.36 | the_sniff | oh nvm |
| 14:15.41 | the_sniff | yeah i missed a line there :P |
| 14:15.44 | edistar | themill: what did I get wrong? |
| 14:15.54 | tralala | !automatix |
| 14:15.54 | dpkg | [automatix] a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against using it and you should definitely not use it with debian: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html |
| 14:15.56 | wols_ | edistar: automatix users don't get support here |
| 14:15.57 | cahoot | arenere > 1 'debian way' to install nvidia? |
| 14:16.01 | cahoot | meh |
| 14:16.11 | edistar | abrotman: debian way is of course much better:) |
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| 14:16.23 | abrotman | edistar: so don't tell him to use automatix again? :) |
| 14:16.25 | chops | the_sniff: In general using /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdown is far superior to mucking with the routing table by hand |
| 14:16.32 | wols_ | cahoot: there is only one way. sometimes the debs are already made so you have not to do the full way yourself |
| 14:16.44 | edistar | abrotman: I won't again ;) |
| 14:17.06 | chops | cahoot: There are non-Debian ways that "work" on Debian... but they don't get support here and shouldn't be recommended. |
| 14:17.08 | daniel_John | ok ill do the debian way . so shouldnt I revert to the old config then do the upgrade ? |
| 14:17.12 | cahoot | we wiki |
| 14:17.30 | the_sniff | chops: i've a weird issue, and no gateway for an ip range. thing it from the firewall i do have com, and from the box itself i can't get any routing |
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| 14:17.38 | vlt | Hello. I have printed a document to CUPS and its job number. Where can I find the data (postscript) file? |
| 14:17.44 | the_sniff | and the only gateway is the one going through the firewall |
| 14:17.52 | the_sniff | problem is i can't seem to see a problem with the f/w |
| 14:18.00 | chops | the_sniff: Can you pastebin your routing table, your /etc/network/interfaces, and give more details of what the IPs in question are and what's not working? |
| 14:18.01 | edistar | daniel_John: no, no point |
| 14:18.06 | vlt | s/and its/and know its/ |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | daniel_John: you're going to have to install an CLI irc client in case you can't get it going and you need our help |
| 14:18.22 | abrotman | daniel_John: or use vesa \o/ |
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| 14:18.26 | aib42 | [disq] aduket! |
| 14:18.32 | edistar | daniel_John: e.g. irssi |
| 14:18.36 | Bushmills | is there some software which helps getting an overview of unknown C++ source, like sort of combining tags, breakdown of structures and relations, plus some navigation through all? (other than "editor") |
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| 14:18.53 | abrotman | Bushmills: the documentation ? |
| 14:18.54 | chops | Bushmills: cscope does a certain amount of that, I believe |
| 14:18.54 | daniel_John | abrotman ive done that i have irssi. but im in an internet cafe with the problem laptop |
| 14:19.03 | abrotman | daniel_John: oh .. fun! |
| 14:19.11 | tapas | ah i guess "make -f debian/rules clean" does the job :) |
| 14:19.29 | Bushmills | abrotman: trying to spot bugs in foreign code |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | daniel_John: maybe you should use the nvidia one-liner now .. which will get you the sources .. and then when it goes badly .. you shuld have them again (you'll need the headers for the new kernel also) |
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| 14:19.57 | Bushmills | chops, yes, looked at cscope. I like it. didn't know it works on c++ source |
| 14:19.57 | karmatronic | daniel_John: shouldn you try to make out instead of "geeking"....get a life! :) |
| 14:20.10 | chops | Bushmills: I'm not sure, I've never used it |
| 14:20.31 | chops | Bushmills: I always just slogged through the source with ctags and grep |
| 14:20.32 | abrotman | karmatronic: no more drinking for you |
| 14:20.39 | daniel_John | abrotman so you think i should do the upgrade , have the xserver crash then use automatix to revert to the old config then do the nvidia upgrade |
| 14:20.50 | Bushmills | chops: that's why I look for an alternative :) |
| 14:21.06 | daniel_John | abrotman what is the one-liner? |
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| 14:21.18 | chops | Bushmills: The company I used to work for used to do documentation for one of our clients; their engineers would write code, we would get it, reverse engineer its functionality, and then write the technical documentation. |
| 14:21.22 | chops | Bushmills: It was awesome :-) |
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| 14:22.07 | abrotman | !tell daniel_John about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:22.11 | tomasso | if i want to set environment variables at startup in what file should I add the exports ? |
| 14:22.25 | karmatronic | tomasso: bootmisc.sh |
| 14:22.28 | tomasso | /etc/init.d .... ? |
| 14:22.36 | karmatronic | !bootmisc.sh |
| 14:22.36 | dpkg | bootmisc is probably where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, or ask about <rc.local> |
| 14:22.40 | tomasso | hmm karmatronic le me check |
| 14:22.44 | chops | tomasso: Also consider /etc/profile |
| 14:22.53 | tomasso | thanx |
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| 14:23.11 | Bushmills | cscope doesn't mention c++ or cpp... |
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| 14:24.04 | daniel_John | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | daniel_John: keep going .. there's more |
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| 14:24.42 | chops | Bushmills: Yeah, it's a really hard problem for C++... for java/python/etc. it's a lot easier to parse the source and make sense of the structures |
| 14:24.45 | daniel_John | nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 14:25.01 | karmatronic | Bushmills: maybe cbrowser |
| 14:25.06 | abrotman | daniel_John: that'll do it for the currently running kernel |
| 14:25.22 | Bushmills | karmatronic: will check that |
| 14:25.26 | chops | Bushmills: For perl, of course, rigorously parsing the source is equivalent to solving the halting problem. |
| 14:25.49 | daniel_John | abrotman so i run that in the terminal before i upgrade? |
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| 14:26.49 | Bushmills | chops: oh well I'm not looking for a states emulation running on the sources.. just some aid for getting a better overview. |
| 14:27.11 | chops | Bushmills: No, _parsing_ perl is equivalent to the halting problem |
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| 14:27.26 | chops | Bushmills: http://www.perlmonks.org/?displaytype=print;node_id=663393 |
| 14:27.31 | abrotman | daniel_John: that would work for this kernel .. not the new |
| 14:28.07 | Bushmills | 6 megabytes of sources ... not really huge but too much for me to develop a good idea of what happens where in a glimpse. |
| 14:28.15 | karmatronic | daniel_John: why dont you simply backup your actual xorg.conf, put nv instead of nvidia in module section , do your kernel upgrade, reboot and have X11 launched with nv driver , and from that install nvidia driver (using automatix,sh NVIDIA....or m-a ...) |
| 14:28.27 | karmatronic | daniel_John: abrotman am i missing something ? |
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| 14:28.34 | abrotman | i'm crazy! |
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| 14:28.46 | abrotman | xsdg: i thought the other df output would show that (the one that you pasted) |
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| 14:29.12 | the_sniff | chops: mind if i give you the paste link in a PM? |
| 14:29.25 | Guru | hi all |
| 14:29.27 | chops | the_sniff: Sure, go ahead |
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| 14:29.46 | Guru | my top shows me average load fot 4.0 5.2 7.6 |
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| 14:30.06 | chops | Guru: At least it's moving in the correct direction :-) |
| 14:30.15 | Guru | is that normal i run top and ps to see which process is taking so much memory and load |
| 14:30.33 | Guru | but it seems all normall but eventually my memoty is consumed |
| 14:30.36 | Arrick | yeah, installed all those packages themill and it still doesnt work |
| 14:30.39 | chops | Guru: It's normal if you have a loaded server :-) |
| 14:30.39 | the_sniff | chops you're pm'ed :p |
| 14:30.43 | Arrick | what do I need to mod to get it to work? |
| 14:30.46 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 14:30.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:30.46 | Guru | chops what u mean? |
| 14:30.49 | Bushmills | hmm ... autodia generates UML diagrams from perl or C++ code maybe that helps too |
| 14:31.05 | daniel_John | karmatronic i have a back up of the xorg. config file before automatix worked its wonders on it. Shouldnt i revert to that then do the kernal upgrade then do the nvidia driver upgrade the debian way |
| 14:31.10 | Guru | is that normal its my email server and its continously consuming my 4.3 GB RAM |
| 14:31.22 | Arrick | themill, ok, doesnt work is defined as :When I try to access the website via IP, there is no site. It does not serve pages |
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| 14:31.33 | themill | Arrick: is apache2 running? |
| 14:31.40 | chops | Guru: What do you mean it's consuming your RAM? What process is using that much RAM? |
| 14:31.55 | Guru | no idea |
| 14:32.11 | Guru | its my email server lots of imap connection am seeing in top |
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| 14:32.18 | Guru | but thats normal |
| 14:32.24 | chops | Guru: Why do you say it's consuming all your RAM? |
| 14:32.26 | happla | Guru: Probably your spamfilter - if you have one |
| 14:32.28 | Guru | what should i see for |
| 14:32.41 | Guru | i have one |
| 14:32.47 | jtmitchum | is there any reason why /proc/cpuinfo wouldn't be entirely correct ? |
| 14:32.50 | Arrick | that I know of yes, themill |
| 14:32.51 | Guru | spamassassin , clamav |
| 14:32.56 | karmatronic | daniel_John: sounds good to me , go ahead ! |
| 14:33.08 | Guru | what should i do then |
| 14:33.09 | Arrick | yes, it is running themill |
| 14:33.35 | themill | Arrick: does "netstat -pant | grep :80" list apache2? |
| 14:33.40 | karmatronic | daniel_John: i just wanted to point that if you really need X11 at some point , just putting nv instead of nvidida in your Xorg.conf file would do the trick |
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| 14:34.09 | daniel_John | ok so how do i revert to the old config. I think i have to stop x first is that right ? |
| 14:34.16 | Arrick | yes it does themill |
| 14:34.23 | jtmitchum | I just have a hard time believing that the new opteron 175 I bought doesn't support virtualization |
| 14:34.35 | the_sniff | chops: did you get a glimpse? |
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| 14:34.54 | abrotman | jtmitchum: you mean for like xen ? |
| 14:34.54 | Arrick | "txp6 0 0 :::80 :::* listen 3793/apache2" is what it lists themill |
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| 14:34.57 | jtmitchum | yes |
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| 14:35.13 | jtmitchum | I don't see the svm flag in cpuinfo, but I'm checking from knoppix |
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| 14:35.17 | jtmitchum | if that makes any diff |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | jtmitchum: maybe ask #hardware or ##hardware .. whatever it is now |
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| 14:35.37 | Arrick | sorry themill tcp6 |
| 14:35.42 | jtmitchum | fair enough abrotman thanks for the tip! |
| 14:36.05 | themill | Arrick: Looks good to me. What do you get if you go to http://your.ip.add.ress/ in a browser? |
| 14:36.06 | jauny | how do i learn ip command that replace ifconfig (what an idea naming it ip, man ip gives nothing) |
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| 14:36.28 | Arrick | themill, page not found |
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| 14:36.43 | daniel_John | karmatronic how do i revert back to the old config? |
| 14:36.49 | themill | Arrick: 404 or server not found? |
| 14:36.51 | Arrick | hrmm |
| 14:36.58 | Arrick | I turned off friendly errors |
| 14:37.01 | Arrick | and now I get Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch10 Server at 192.168.1.11 Port 80 |
| 14:37.02 | chops | the_sniff: I did, see PM |
| 14:37.06 | Arrick | so its serving right? |
| 14:37.11 | Arrick | just not finding anything? |
| 14:37.13 | themill | Arrick: yep. It's serving right. |
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| 14:37.22 | Arrick | how do i make it list files? |
| 14:37.27 | the_sniff | chops: i didn't get a message, maybe some quirky irc flag ? |
| 14:37.36 | Arrick | because I have 4 directories in there, that have the correct user |
| 14:37.36 | themill | Arrick: By default, debian will show you an "It works" page. |
| 14:37.36 | chops | Hm |
| 14:37.42 | karmatronic | daniel_John: from nv to nvidia you mean ? |
| 14:37.51 | Arrick | its not themill |
| 14:37.58 | Arrick | Not Found |
| 14:37.58 | Arrick | The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| 14:38.01 | karmatronic | daniel_John: or automatix to "before automatix" ? |
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| 14:38.36 | the_sniff | chops, try now when im -i |
| 14:38.54 | themill | Arrick: To allow directory indexes, you need to allow indexes. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#options |
| 14:38.59 | daniel_John | karm to before automatix . Automaitix looks like it backs up cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /var/backups/xorg.conf_ax_original_backup |
| 14:39.00 | Arrick | ok |
| 14:39.06 | chops | the_sniff: Get anything? |
| 14:39.10 | the_sniff | no |
| 14:39.13 | the_sniff | what is this :D |
| 14:39.14 | chops | the_sniff: :-( |
| 14:39.26 | themill | Arrick: But if you're currently getting a 404, then you've already monkeyed with the config, so keep monkeying :) |
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| 14:39.48 | karmatronic | daniel_John: so check /etc/X11 , there are probably some backup files there |
| 14:39.48 | the_sniff | chops: can you reply here? :p |
| 14:39.52 | chops | Sure |
| 14:39.53 | Arrick | no, i havent done anything but remove the apache-default folder themill |
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| 14:40.02 | karmatronic | daniel_John: also try to check automatix logs |
| 14:40.05 | chops | the_sniff: Are you able to fool with the network configuration of this machine to satisfy my idle curiosity? |
| 14:40.12 | themill | Arrick: well that will give you a 404... because that's what it is trying to show you |
| 14:40.18 | Arrick | ahh ok |
| 14:40.19 | Arrick | thanks |
| 14:40.29 | chops | the_sniff: I'm wondering what 'traceroute 212.x.x.113' looks like if you switch back to using 212.x.x.1 as the gateway |
| 14:40.30 | xsdg | chops: are you identified with nickserv? |
| 14:40.38 | chops | the_sniff: ... and disable eth0:2 |
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| 14:40.42 | chops | xsdg: I am not |
| 14:40.54 | themill | Arrick: The config for that is in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 14:40.55 | xsdg | chops: you can't send privmsgs to people unless you are |
| 14:41.00 | chops | xsdg: Ah, makes sense |
| 14:41.09 | chops | xsdg: ... and now it works :-) |
| 14:41.12 | chops | xsdg: Thanks! |
| 14:41.13 | xsdg | :o) |
| 14:41.13 | abrotman | xsdg: so you really were out of inodes even though the other paste implied you weren't? |
| 14:41.14 | xsdg | np |
| 14:41.32 | daniel_John | karmatronic, ok there is a back up in /var/backups/ |
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| 14:41.36 | Arrick | yea, its the 000-default right? |
| 14:41.37 | xsdg | abrotman: the dumpe2fs stats apparently aren't updated in real time |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | xsdg: oh .. i didn't know that .. i knew about df -i .. but thought they'd be the same information |
| 14:42.00 | xsdg | abrotman: whereas `fsck -n` actually counted free inodes (as does `df -i`) |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | xsdg: that'll teach me :) |
| 14:42.06 | xsdg | :o) |
| 14:42.15 | abrotman | xsdg: time to backup! |
| 14:42.23 | daniel_John | karmatronic, so its just a question of getting back that backup. how do i that ? |
| 14:42.34 | xsdg | abrotman: well, I got rid of my two 60,000-file mid-compile mozilla trunk source trees |
| 14:42.43 | xsdg | abrotman: so I've got 120,000 inodes free now |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | that should help :)_ |
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| 14:43.03 | abrotman | xsdg: but you still have a problem .. but i guess you can fix it in your free time now |
| 14:43.12 | abrotman | xsdg: you know .. like when you're looking for a job! :) |
| 14:43.39 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah. As someone else pointed out, `mke2fs -T largefile` gives you about an inode per meg |
| 14:43.56 | Arrick | hrmm |
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| 14:44.12 | abrotman | xsdg: yeah .. which doesn't work real well unless you really are using large files |
| 14:44.34 | abrotman | i think -T largefile also gives you larger blocks |
| 14:44.37 | Arrick | themill, I put in Indexes into the <Directory /> section, and it was in the other ones already, and it still doesnt index them |
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| 14:44.58 | xsdg | abrotman: well, given that I'm primarily shooting 10-meg-per-file photos, if I can avoid bunches of super-small files, I should need new disks before I run out again, at which point I can just copy stuff over, reformat the current pair, and fix it that way |
| 14:45.03 | SlayerXP | hmm, how can I force a package to be installed? even with -y and --force-yes I still get asked to confirm when installing the backports key package |
| 14:45.11 | uwe | hello, im trying to install iscsitarget from backports on debian etch amd_64 using module-assistant, its failing while building, does anyone know where i can find a good resource on how to run iscsitarget on etch ? |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | xsdg: ah .. i suppose |
| 14:45.25 | themill | Arrick: You need to remove the RedirectMatch rule that uses the apache-default |
| 14:45.31 | abrotman | SlayerXP: put the key in your keyring |
| 14:45.32 | daniel_John | abrotman any ideas on how i get back to the backup file /var/backups/xorg.conf_ax_original_backup |
| 14:45.35 | xsdg | abrotman: (I've got 45 gigs available now, and I shoot on a pair of 4-gig cards) |
| 14:45.40 | xsdg | abrotman: we'll see, though |
| 14:45.44 | abrotman | daniel_John: copy it back in place if you need it |
| 14:45.49 | SlayerXP | abrotman: that's the point, I want to install the package so that happens |
| 14:45.57 | Arrick | I commented it out themill |
| 14:45.59 | abrotman | xsdg: anything worth looking at or just mundate stuff? |
| 14:46.05 | abrotman | SlayerXP: put the key in first |
| 14:46.12 | abrotman | SlayerXP: which key is it whining about? |
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| 14:46.23 | themill | Arrick: OK. You need to restart apache to pick up the new config. invoke-rc.d apache2 reload |
| 14:46.24 | SlayerXP | abrotman: this is part of a remote non-interactive installer |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | you have backports in your installer ? |
| 14:46.46 | abrotman | xsdg: you need inodes like this : /dev/sda2 7766016 364060 7401956 5% /home |
| 14:46.53 | SlayerXP | no, i need to nail it on to a whole bunch of machines |
| 14:47.10 | daniel_John | abrotman, how. dont i have to stop x first? |
| 14:47.21 | abrotman | daniel_John: not technically .. it reads that at startup |
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| 14:47.53 | abrotman | xsdg: though in retrospect .. it seems i'll have wasted inodes .. but with /home/ being a Maildir store .. it was hard to judge |
| 14:48.03 | daniel_John | i have to leave this fing internet cafe they have lit a bonfire in the middle of it. bbl |
| 14:48.03 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah |
| 14:48.03 | Arrick | still no list themill |
| 14:48.22 | abrotman | xsdg: it was hard to guess with 60GB of Maildir :) |
| 14:48.28 | xsdg | abrotman: :o) |
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| 14:49.00 | SlayerXP | abrotman: it's not the key that's the problem, the key _package_ is asking me for confirmation even with -y and --force-yes specified. i.e. "apt-get --force-yes install debian-backports-keyring" |
| 14:49.06 | abrotman | and i couldn't really anaylze current usage since we weren't using maildir at all before |
| 14:49.10 | DawnLight | themill: so many hours i've been at this rt2573 thing |
| 14:49.13 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I then get a prompt saying "Are you really sure?" or words to that effect |
| 14:49.16 | abrotman | SlayerXP: can you paste the error ? |
| 14:49.28 | SlayerXP | it's not an error, it's a dialog I want to go away |
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| 14:49.48 | SlayerXP | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 14:49.48 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.48 | SlayerXP | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 14:50.08 | emilio | Y |
| 14:50.16 | emilio | :) |
| 14:50.19 | emilio | hi, all |
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| 14:50.50 | emilio | does someone know why groff is not still upgraded to 1.19 ?? |
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| 14:50.56 | liable | DawnLight: the rt drivers are under heavy dev, try their git sources |
| 14:51.22 | liable | DawnLight: seems you try a few wireless cards, why dont you follow wireless-2.6.. |
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| 14:52.07 | _questor_ | any ideas where the repositories for e17 from edevelop.org have gone? edevelop.org is apparently no more, for at least the time being. |
| 14:52.30 | Arrick | themill, I figured it out |
| 14:52.32 | SlayerXP | emilio: thankyou, you just showed me how to fix the problem |
| 14:52.32 | abrotman | SlayerXP: oh .. |
| 14:52.43 | DawnLight | liable: their git sources are probably for newer kernels. although i have backported 2.6.24... follow what? |
| 14:52.46 | Arrick | I had to replace the * in the virtual host with the IP |
| 14:52.49 | Arrick | thanks |
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| 14:53.13 | SlayerXP | abrotman: yes Yes | apt-get --force-all install debian-backports-keyring |
| 14:53.19 | abrotman | oh .. that's awful |
| 14:53.24 | SlayerXP | isn't it just |
| 14:53.26 | liable | DawnLight: theres a wireless-2.6 kernel or you can use their git patches against the current kernel |
| 14:53.41 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i think there's an apt.conf option .. but i guess you found a solution-ish |
| 14:53.45 | roddersg | can anyone tell me place to find the meta-packages for debian e.g. for the desktop etc |
| 14:53.58 | roddersg | sorry the name of the meta-packages |
| 14:54.02 | debian_ | abrotman: Hello |
| 14:54.49 | vlt | Hello. I have printed a document to CUPS on Debian Etch and know its job number. Does anynone know where I can find the data (postscript) file? |
| 14:55.00 | DawnLight | liable: liable what is wireless-2.6? |
| 14:55.18 | liable | DawnLight: go visit linuxwireless.org |
| 14:55.24 | DawnLight | liable: thanks |
| 14:55.40 | debian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.53 | JarJarBinks | debian_: both data and control streams are encrypted, so sniffing your traffic, won't give any information besides, who you talk to, and what time you do it |
| 14:57.15 | liable | debian_: if you are connecting to his network through ssh, he cant see anything |
| 14:57.17 | JarJarBinks | + perhaps the id of the user |
| 14:57.22 | debian_ | Ok |
| 14:57.40 | vlt | debian_: He can see _when_ you're sending packets |
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| 14:57.48 | roddersg | anyone know the package name to install the gnome-desktop and the x-windows please? |
| 14:58.00 | themill | !tell roddersg about install gnome |
| 14:58.04 | debian_ | When isnt that importan? |
| 14:58.22 | roddersg | !tell install gnome |
| 14:58.23 | liable | vlt: wtf has that got to do with anything? |
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| 14:59.00 | y7 | i need a different version of debian than debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso. it keeps freezing on installation. any recommendations for which one i should try instead? |
| 14:59.10 | JarJarBinks | liable: you can prove that _some_ traffic occured between two parties at a certain point in time |
| 14:59.17 | xsdg | vlt: probably under /var/spool somewhere |
| 14:59.24 | JarJarBinks | and perhaps match it with log files on the end-machines |
| 14:59.28 | roddersg | hmmm perhaps I worded the question wrongly |
| 14:59.30 | liable | JarJarBinks: yes |
| 14:59.38 | JarJarBinks | k |
| 14:59.45 | karmatronic | !gnome-base |
| 14:59.48 | liable | JarJarBinks: but thats taking his question to the extreme |
| 14:59.58 | JarJarBinks | yeah, perhaps |
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| 15:00.01 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 15:00.03 | roddersg | in the debian setup there is a page which allows u to setup the differnt sections, e.g. Desktop/Servers etc |
| 15:00.05 | karmatronic | !gnome-session |
| 15:00.05 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome-session is the easier way to get gnome up and running |
| 15:00.31 | JarJarBinks | liable: it is however some sort of information flow |
| 15:00.38 | roddersg | I remember at an earlier installation, I would type install xxx or something like that |
| 15:00.39 | themill | roddersg: yes. there is a stage called "tasksel" |
| 15:00.43 | abrotman | debian_: hi |
| 15:00.50 | vlt | debian_, liable: If you want to hide your identity and an attacker compares the times when packets go through ssh and when messages arrive in an irc channel ... then it probably _could_ be a problem ;-) |
| 15:00.52 | roddersg | thats the one tasksel!! |
| 15:00.57 | roddersg | !tell tasksel |
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| 15:01.00 | liable | JarJarBinks: yeah, but even for the uber paranoid, its not much |
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| 15:01.32 | roddersg | what are the names of the task, i think there are bundled installations |
| 15:01.55 | JarJarBinks | for a cryptografic point of view, it's part of the protocol and encryption scheme analysis |
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| 15:02.27 | liable | ok |
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| 15:02.51 | abrotman | roddersg: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm |
| 15:02.52 | liable | ooh |
| 15:03.13 | liable | botfest |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | some of them are real people |
| 15:03.29 | abrotman | they may have come from overflow |
| 15:03.44 | roddersg | abrotman - I know the different packages, what I want is a group name (I remember there was one) |
| 15:03.45 | liable | sure they are, just like your not a bot abrotman |
| 15:03.58 | abrotman | roddersg: there is tasksel .. but that's a pain .. use aptitude :) |
| 15:04.04 | roddersg | e.g. ubuntu-desktop for ubuntu or something like that |
| 15:04.05 | abrotman | you're? |
| 15:04.14 | abrotman | roddersg: then use tasksel |
| 15:04.17 | roddersg | bte how do you run tasksel again? |
| 15:04.28 | twiggz | lol |
| 15:04.46 | roddersg | ohhhh how stupid of me - tasksel!!!! |
| 15:05.05 | abrotman | funny how that works |
| 15:05.30 | roddersg | what I am trying to do is populate a proxy-mirror |
| 15:05.37 | roddersg | so need everything to be installed |
| 15:06.54 | vlt | xsdg: There's /var/spool/cups/ with a lot of files c[0-9]{5} files (each ~700 Byte) and an empty directory tmp/ -- more ideas? |
| 15:07.39 | roddersg | vlt - did you install cups-pdf in the first place? |
| 15:07.45 | bolt | why is the channel limited to 794 people? |
| 15:07.59 | liable | bolt: its not |
| 15:08.07 | bolt | it is... |
| 15:08.16 | liable | tis not |
| 15:08.23 | vlt | roddersg: cups-pdf is not installed. |
| 15:08.58 | bolt | Channel #debian modes: +tncPLlfJ 794 #debian-overflow 10,3 |
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| 15:09.01 | bolt | ... |
| 15:09.05 | bolt | so what's the secret? |
| 15:09.05 | mmlj4 | 794 lusers not enough for you? |
| 15:09.10 | liable | bolt: its rate limited |
| 15:09.11 | bolt | ah. there. finally |
| 15:09.11 | roddersg | then, vlt, how are you going to get any pdf output? cups sends it to a printer |
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| 15:09.29 | roddersg | !tell cups-pdf |
| 15:09.38 | bolt | mmlj4: 794 is not enough for me when there's 795 people in the channel and a friend of mine is trying to join |
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| 15:10.19 | xsdg | bolt: the rate of user joins is limited, is what mmlj4 was trying to say |
| 15:10.28 | xsdg | bolt: note that a bunch of folks joined at once above |
| 15:10.29 | vlt | roddersg: Yes, but I hoped that there's still a spool file somewhere ... I lost the printed doc and didn't save :( |
| 15:10.37 | liable | bolt: in the case of a netsplit or a bot attack, if lots of peole join at once, the go to overflow |
| 15:10.44 | roddersg | oh-uh |
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| 15:11.07 | bolt | right |
| 15:11.10 | liable | wow, bad typing, time for bed |
| 15:11.14 | roddersg | try the /var/spool or the /tmp it won't be a .pdf might be a ps or something like that |
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| 15:11.42 | fooman | where is the default .xsession file located? for users without their own .xsession? |
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| 15:11.54 | xsdg | fooman: /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 15:12.01 | fooman | xsdg: thanks |
| 15:12.01 | vlt | roddersg: On some CUPS servers I have seen a "restart this job" button. So it must be stored somewhere (at least with such an option enabled) ... |
| 15:12.01 | liable | bolt: thats what the 10,3 is, 10 people in 3 secs, goes to overflow |
| 15:12.10 | xsdg | yup |
| 15:12.30 | roddersg | vlt how about sending another small print job to the printer and monitoring the contents of /var/spool |
| 15:12.45 | roddersg | you could put the printer on pause to stop it from downloading or printing out |
| 15:13.02 | vlt | roddersg: I'll try. |
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| 15:13.44 | roddersg | vlt - I would like to know too |
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| 15:21.11 | Arrick | is there a wiki page on creating a db on MySQL and setting permissions somewhere? |
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| 15:21.25 | Arrick | the bot sends me to a commerical site for MySQL? |
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| 15:23.16 | abrotman | so ask #mysql or mysql.com |
| 15:23.19 | RichiH | Arrick: use phpmyadmin |
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| 15:23.35 | abrotman | ewww |
| 15:23.47 | RichiH | abrotman: it does the job *shrug* |
| 15:23.56 | Arrick | RichiH, Im trying to keep this server at a minimum of clutter |
| 15:23.57 | RichiH | postgres is better, so is phppgadmin |
| 15:24.06 | abrotman | postgresql is easily better! |
| 15:24.09 | Arrick | thanks though |
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| 15:24.14 | liable | webmin ftw |
| 15:24.15 | RichiH | Arrick: you can install phpmyadmin on a remote server, as well |
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| 15:24.25 | abrotman | liable: that's just sick .. |
| 15:24.27 | RichiH | liable: don't troll, klzkthx |
| 15:24.27 | Arrick | ew to webmin |
| 15:24.31 | RichiH | ;) |
| 15:25.04 | liable | klzkthx? |
| 15:25.05 | gp5st | I just installed debian and have everything working as I want, except for my sound. I'm not sure where to begin with that, any help is appriciated |
| 15:26.14 | RichiH | liable: that's short for 'else, i will kline' |
| 15:26.15 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 15:26.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 15:26.16 | RichiH | or a typo |
| 15:26.19 | RichiH | you decide |
| 15:26.29 | liable | RichiH: you nasty bastard! |
| 15:26.30 | RichiH | :p |
| 15:26.34 | RichiH | indeed |
| 15:26.39 | RichiH | ask my mom and seven dads |
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| 15:27.01 | liable | hah |
| 15:27.30 | liable | (nervous laugh) ;) |
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| 15:31.13 | gp5st | im moving through your list dpkg, thanks, i didn't see that in a google search |
| 15:31.28 | debian_ | How do I start compiz fusion? |
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| 15:32.08 | liable | debian_: /usr/share/doc/compiz-fusion/README |
| 15:32.24 | maxamillion | debian_: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 15:32.46 | liable | nightio |
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| 15:33.44 | liable | someone say gnight, i feel unloved! |
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| 15:34.20 | RichiH | liable: if i klined you for fun, i would prolly lose my modes :) |
| 15:34.24 | RichiH | liable: which is a good thing |
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| 15:34.53 | debian_ | How did I chech if it was compatible? |
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| 15:35.00 | liable | RichiH: thats ok, hand over irc cop to me! ;) |
| 15:35.44 | ringo999 | hi, im using aptitude to manage my packages. im running stable. now i found a package that is only available on unstable. however, I want to stick with stable, is there any good way to install that one package even though its untstable? |
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| 15:35.52 | RichiH | liable: we had a phase when people could submit applications |
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| 15:35.59 | karmatronic | !backports |
| 15:35.59 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 15:37.37 | karmatronic | !tell ringo999 about backports |
| 15:38.13 | debian_ | karmatronic: How would I know what video card I have? |
| 15:38.30 | karmatronic | debian_: lscpi if its pci |
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| 15:39.03 | debian_ | karmatronic: Didnt work... |
| 15:39.38 | karmatronic | debian_: if you bought it , you re supposed to know.. |
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| 15:39.53 | karmatronic | debian_: no? |
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| 15:39.58 | debian_ | karmatronic: Second hand computer... |
| 15:40.17 | karmatronic | debian_: are you using a genuine kernel |
| 15:40.22 | amphi | debian_: lspci | grep VGA shows nothing? |
| 15:40.30 | debian_ | And I remember a command who showed it along with strange numbers. Using etch |
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| 15:40.42 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 15:40.58 | debian_ | nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
| 15:41.12 | debian_ | Is that compatible with compiz? |
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| 15:42.21 | roue | hola |
| 15:42.35 | Sevdalin | hola |
| 15:42.35 | Houssema | salem |
| 15:42.40 | Sevdalin | que tal |
| 15:42.49 | roue | debian / apt-get question. I've got a package on my box that I don't remember installing. Where would I look to find out when it was installed? thanks. |
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| 15:43.15 | torrr | where do I get kernel package for compiling drivers? (etch) |
| 15:43.16 | karmatronic | !spanish |
| 15:43.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:43.21 | karmatronic | coño! |
| 15:43.30 | karmatronic | :) |
| 15:43.34 | roddersg | rou - aptitude or synaptic if you have it installed |
| 15:43.36 | roue | karmatronic 'hola' is the only spanish I know :) |
| 15:43.45 | abrotman | torrr: which driver? |
| 15:43.57 | roue | roddersq isn't it in a log file somewhere? |
| 15:43.58 | Houssema | hi guys |
| 15:44.03 | torrr | abrotman, marvel yukon |
| 15:44.10 | roddersg | hmm, inside root I think |
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| 15:44.14 | abrotman | torrr: so you want to compile the wole kernel ? |
| 15:44.18 | torrr | yes |
| 15:44.28 | Sevdalin | :P |
| 15:44.34 | Houssema | can anyone tell me what is the name of the application that allows me to start and stop services ?like apache ,ssh sserver .. |
| 15:44.45 | amphi | debian_: ask in #compiz-fusion |
| 15:44.48 | gp5st | dpkg: thanks, that all worked w/o a hitch |
| 15:44.49 | dpkg | gp5st: no problem |
| 15:44.56 | roue | Houssema /etc/init.d/service-name |
| 15:45.12 | gp5st | now i just need to find a small player akin to rythmbox:) |
| 15:45.15 | torrr | abrotman, I just need the package name or something like that, I think |
| 15:45.20 | Houssema | roue :i want the name of the gui application (i deleted it by accident ) |
| 15:45.23 | abrotman | !info kernel-package etch |
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| 15:45.26 | gp5st | thanks again, now i have to be off to clean and go to class |
| 15:45.43 | roue | guis are for wimps. |
| 15:45.45 | dpkg | kernel-package: (A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.), section misc, is optional. Version: 10.067 (etch), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 3220 kB |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | torrr: that ? |
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| 15:46.36 | torrr | abrotman, I don't know :S |
| 15:46.49 | abrotman | torrr: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:47.16 | torrr | abrotman, add the marvel driver to the kernel |
| 15:47.18 | ajricoveri | i want to turn off a device .... how do i do that ?? |
| 15:47.31 | abrotman | torrr: on etch? are you trying to install etch? |
| 15:47.42 | roue | ah, /var/log/dpkg.log -- should have seen it. |
| 15:47.51 | saschahl | ajricoveri: like what? |
| 15:48.07 | Eckrall | Houssema: Gnome or KDE? |
| 15:48.14 | Eckrall | or icewm ;) |
| 15:48.14 | torrr | abrotman, I have etch running |
| 15:48.25 | Houssema | on gnome |
| 15:48.30 | ajricoveri | saschahl, a touchpad on my laptop, theres no button to turn it off and i dont want to use it =) |
| 15:48.31 | abrotman | torrr: see backports.org .. there is a 2.6.22 there .. it might have the driver you need |
| 15:48.42 | Houssema | Eckrall:Am on gnome |
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| 15:49.01 | saschahl | ajricoveri: if you use the synaptics driver for the touchpad, it can be "deactivated" from user space |
| 15:49.04 | torrr | abrotman, It just that the yukon drivers aren't good |
| 15:49.14 | amphi | ajricoveri: you can't disable it in the bios? |
| 15:49.18 | saschahl | ajricoveri: otherwise just don't use the device |
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| 15:49.46 | Eckrall | Houssema: services-admin or just click on System > Administration > Services |
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| 15:50.06 | ajricoveri | amphi, i havent tried that, it is not my laptop actually ... |
| 15:50.17 | Houssema | Eckrall :I dont have System >Adm...; |
| 15:50.26 | Houssema | i ll try services-admin |
| 15:50.39 | amphi | ajricoveri: I could (and did) do that on my T42 |
| 15:50.39 | abrotman | torrr: see backports.org .. there is a 2.6.22 there .. it might have the driver you need |
| 15:50.41 | ajricoveri | saschahl, cant help it, sometimes while im writing pointer just goes crazy because of my finger passing trough the touchpad lol ... |
| 15:51.00 | ronr | ~pb |
| 15:51.01 | apt | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 15:51.03 | ajricoveri | saschahl, and yes, it uses a synaptic driver |
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| 15:51.28 | ajricoveri | amphi, ill try to get into the bios and try turn to disable it |
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| 15:51.39 | saschahl | do you want to disable it permanently? |
| 15:51.44 | saschahl | or just when you write? |
| 15:51.48 | Houssema | Eckrall:Do you know the name of the package ? |
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| 15:51.52 | saschahl | ksynaptics can disable the touchpad when you are writing |
| 15:52.29 | Eckrall | its part of gnome-system-tools |
| 15:53.02 | ajricoveri | saschahl, that sounds good, two options are viable |
| 15:53.08 | Eckrall | try runlevel editor |
| 15:53.17 | Eckrall | should be somewhere in the lists |
| 15:53.22 | Houssema | Eckrall:am trying |
| 15:54.19 | Houssema | Eckrall:Thanks man ,u re the best ;-) |
| 15:54.36 | ajricoveri | saschahl, isnt ksynaptics only for kde ?? im using gnome |
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| 15:54.55 | ajricoveri | saschahl, tell me about disabling ir forever =) |
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| 15:55.23 | cahoot | ajricoveri: in bios? |
| 15:55.43 | Houssema | Eckrall : what desktop do u use then , |
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| 15:56.03 | saschahl | ajricoveri: try bios first, or use the synaptics driver but don't use it as CorePointer, AlwaysCore or SendCoreEvents in xorg.conf |
| 15:56.03 | debian_ | 16:49 < adamk> debian_, Yes... It'll likely be slow, but usable. |
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| 15:56.12 | hell-jack | hey |
| 15:56.29 | GuySoft | hey all, does anyone here have a script to check of a certain repository is present in the sources.list? |
| 15:56.40 | hell-jack | are there a program to add gpg key automatically |
| 15:56.42 | debian_ | nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3), driver please! |
| 15:56.45 | ajricoveri | saschahl, ill try the bios way first ... thx a lot |
| 15:57.11 | cahoot | GuySoft: a plain rgrep? |
| 15:57.15 | ajricoveri | another question ... does debian etch comes with ati r300 driver by default ?? |
| 15:58.05 | GuySoft | cahoot, anything more robust? rgrep might not find it if thinges are played with.. |
| 15:58.07 | amphi | ajricoveri: which is that? the xorg ati/radeon driver? if so, yes |
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| 15:58.18 | torrr | why is the linux-source-2.6.18.dfsg-1-17 not signed? |
| 15:58.41 | ajricoveri | amphi, thx, does it have direct glx support ?? |
| 15:59.04 | ajricoveri | amphi, i tried to switch to fglrx but i think i made a mistake |
| 15:59.22 | amphi | ajricoveri: what is the card? 9xxx? |
| 15:59.38 | ajricoveri | amphi, mobility radeon 9600 |
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| 16:00.00 | amphi | ajricoveri: that's no longer supported at all by fglrx, I think - thank ghod ;) |
| 16:00.20 | amphi | ajricoveri: use the xorg radeon driber |
| 16:00.23 | amphi | er, driver |
| 16:00.37 | ajricoveri | amphi, so i can switch to r300 module and have glx support with direct rendering ?? |
| 16:00.47 | abrotman | you should be able to .. yes |
| 16:01.33 | amphi | ajricoveri: if you installed fglrx, you'll need to remove it, and perhaps reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri to clean up fglrx's mess |
| 16:01.45 | GuySoft | cahoot, might you have an idea to check of the line isnt commented out? |
| 16:01.52 | Eckrall | Houssema: KDE |
| 16:01.54 | amphi | ajricoveri: you'll also need the kernel drm modules |
| 16:02.08 | ajricoveri | amphi, i will ... thx a lot |
| 16:02.46 | amphi | ajricoveri: welcome; it should work well; my old M7 (32MB 7500) works pretty well |
| 16:03.09 | Houssema | Eckrall:i see |
| 16:03.34 | Houssema | has anyone installed JDK on debian ? |
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| 16:05.42 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 16:05.42 | amphi | heh |
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| 16:06.04 | Azar | not that I use wifi but so many people here ask about wifi configuration, I just found an article about a package named wifi-radar, is Debian elders recommend it, or is an annoyance? |
| 16:06.46 | Azar | wols_: ^^^ ? |
| 16:07.30 | jtmitchum | any virtualizers run 64-bit native as host operating system? |
| 16:07.33 | jtmitchum | and not xen |
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| 16:07.58 | Houssema | Azar:that will show you the available wifi connections |
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| 16:08.20 | Houssema | personnally i think that's not really helpful |
| 16:08.25 | Azar | Houssema: ah so it will not help in installing/configuring wifi in actuality? |
| 16:08.25 | amphi | Azar: from the desc, it looks as though some might find it useful; I'm quite happy with iwlist and iwconfig |
| 16:08.33 | Houssema | it's better to use the gnome default connections manager |
| 16:08.46 | Houssema | Azar:no it wont |
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| 16:09.08 | Azar | amphi: I am against gui configuration panels myself, but many others like it |
| 16:09.10 | Houssema | amphi:you re right that's much better |
| 16:09.18 | Houssema | but he is asking about installing wifi |
| 16:09.29 | Houssema | in fact me too ,debian <can't detect my wifi |
| 16:09.43 | Azar | Houssema: yeah lots of new linux users are stumbling on the laptop's wifi stuff |
| 16:09.43 | felix_da_catz | How do I view and modify my rc.d stuff with Debian? |
| 16:10.23 | Raven007 | felix_da_catz: sysv-rc-conf (almoust graphic) ;) |
| 16:10.24 | Houssema | i was on ubuntu ,and it's automaticly installed and configured ,but on debian that's not the case |
| 16:10.41 | felix_da_catz | cool. Thanks Raven007 |
| 16:10.57 | Houssema | i tried installilng the wifi drivers ,but i think i need the athers propriotary driveir |
| 16:10.57 | Raven007 | or, the old_and_good way : update-rc.d |
| 16:11.04 | Azar | Houssema: I thought wifi-radar would help detect the wifi at install or at least post/install time |
| 16:11.42 | Azar | Houssema: the linux and bsd teams have developed atheros5, try dig it |
| 16:11.54 | Houssema | Azar:no azar ,i told you i just enables you to change betwwen available wifi connections and configure your ip or so .; |
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| 16:12.08 | Houssema | ok |
| 16:12.23 | Houssema | is there a repository where i can find it ? |
| 16:12.41 | karmatronic | Houssema: it s in lenny |
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| 16:13.15 | amphi | Houssema: what card is it? |
| 16:13.59 | Houssema | atheros .. |
| 16:14.15 | karmatronic | Houssema: should work with mad-wifi drivers |
| 16:14.17 | Azar | :) there are several different atheros drivers out there |
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| 16:14.25 | felix_da_catz | Raven007: sysv-rc-conf is pretty nice. Thanks for that. |
| 16:14.30 | Houssema | i tried mad-wifi ,but no result |
| 16:14.44 | Azar | Houssema: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=atheros+in+Debian&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 16:14.58 | Houssema | Azar:you re right |
| 16:15.00 | Azar | gotta know your card |
| 16:15.17 | Houssema | i lost that good habit of looking in google before asking :) |
| 16:15.42 | Raven007 | felix_da_catz: no problem. but, pay attention : it only enables/disables daemons. for "true" customisation, you should manually edit the {S,K}<no><service> ... that's the <no> part |
| 16:16.18 | y7 | debian 4.0 is asking me to select an installation step... 1. install the GRUB boot loader on a hdd. 2. install the elilo boot loader on an hdd. 3. install the LILO boot loader on an hdd. or 4. continue without a boot loader... which one do i want to select? |
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| 16:16.41 | Raven007 | y7: 1 |
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| 16:16.45 | y7 | ty |
| 16:16.47 | Azar | y7: grub is the standard... |
| 16:17.02 | Azar | cool they offer lilo too, I like that |
| 16:17.26 | Raven007 | i feel a flame comming :) |
| 16:17.26 | abrotman | Azar: maybe you should try etch |
| 16:17.29 | Azar | on a hdd? not anymore a mbr? |
| 16:17.41 | Azar | :D abrotman , thank you |
| 16:17.46 | Raven007 | i guess hdd is roughly the mbr |
| 16:18.08 | Azar | Raven007: just a matter of wording it |
| 16:18.14 | y7 | it said hard drive or hard disk, i just abreviated |
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| 16:18.44 | Raven007 | y7: :) |
| 16:18.50 | Azar | mbr used to be master boot record, if that is the equivalent of hard drive, I just guess they worded it more clearly |
| 16:19.17 | Raven007 | Azar: if you say "mbr" to a newbie, he'll freak out |
| 16:19.23 | Azar | I remember as a beginner when I installed for the first time I went: wtf is mbr? |
| 16:19.31 | Raven007 | exactly |
| 16:20.18 | jelly | what is "elilo", btw? |
| 16:20.30 | Azar | yeah there used to be a choice menu waiting for you to chose where to put lilo, I was like eeny meeny miney moo |
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| 16:21.02 | Raven007 | jelly: aptitude show elilo > |
| 16:21.04 | Raven007 | ? |
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| 16:21.16 | Raven007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.16 | Raven007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.27 | jelly | Macs, I guess |
| 16:21.32 | Raven007 | nope |
| 16:21.38 | Raven007 | EFI |
| 16:21.45 | jelly | don't they have EFI? |
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| 16:21.59 | Raven007 | EFI is Intel tech |
| 16:22.12 | Raven007 | specific cu Intel MBs |
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| 16:22.16 | jelly | Raven007: and Macs are intel. |
| 16:22.33 | Raven007 | :) blasphemy. the latest macs are intel :) |
| 16:22.50 | akuwamari | hi |
| 16:22.57 | jelly | "latest" being every last one made since 2005 |
| 16:22.58 | akuwamari | what is wrong with this |
| 16:22.59 | akuwamari | http://www.pastebin.ca/892651 |
| 16:23.29 | DGnome | EFI is coming to PC systems also |
| 16:23.31 | jelly | akuwamari: your / partition is filled up |
| 16:23.34 | DGnome | EFI was mac only before |
| 16:23.47 | akuwamari | i supossed that |
| 16:23.48 | jelly | DGnome: actually, it was itanium only before |
| 16:23.51 | Raven007 | i have EFI into my IBM servers |
| 16:23.54 | akuwamari | how can i solve it ? |
| 16:24.06 | Raven007 | akuwamari: delete some stuff on that ? |
| 16:24.08 | Raven007 | :) |
| 16:24.08 | karmatronic | akuwamari: yeah , there s a big pb, everything is in spanish ! |
| 16:24.20 | Houssema | have anyone installed jdk on debian et |
| 16:24.24 | Houssema | etch ? |
| 16:24.35 | akuwamari | yeah |
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| 16:25.05 | jelly | akuwamari: use "du" to figure out which directory holds the most; use an option to make du traverse only one file system. |
| 16:25.16 | karmatronic | akuwamari: i always found out default debian s installer does a poor job at automatic partitioning.Next time, do it yourself... |
| 16:25.29 | DGnome | jelly: i think very few here have ever seen or touched an itaniumbased computer :) |
| 16:25.31 | akuwamari | yeah, i think so |
| 16:25.43 | akuwamari | i don'tknow why / use 256MB |
| 16:25.57 | karmatronic | akuwamari: now, yeah , maybe you could delete some stuff. |
| 16:25.59 | jelly | DGnome: there's still no need to be incorrect |
| 16:26.26 | Raven007 | ... and by delete i mean "aptitude purge" |
| 16:26.35 | DGnome | jelly: I know I know, I tend to generalize a bit :) |
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| 16:27.15 | akuwamari | how can i use du to show only / content |
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| 16:27.22 | jelly | akuwamari: du -mx / | sort -k1,1n > /tmp/du-root ... then take a look at the contents of that file |
| 16:27.35 | jelly | akuwamari: man du |
| 16:28.16 | firesburnsmup | Hey, I was planning on installing a minimal debian on a usb-disk on my flash-drive. Instead of using a cd could I just chroot and apt-get install? |
| 16:28.25 | jelly | akuwamari: (to answer your question, look in the man page for an option to restrict du to one file system) |
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| 16:28.33 | wols_ | firesburnsmup: no. debootstrap |
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| 16:28.45 | wols_ | !tell firesburnsmup about debootstrap |
| 16:28.56 | Raven007 | firesburnsmup: nope |
| 16:29.09 | Raven007 | it won't boot |
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| 16:29.31 | karmatronic | akuwamari: du / |
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| 16:29.47 | Raven007 | and you should already have a / on that to use aptitude .. |
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| 16:30.58 | debian_ | When will open-source nVidia drvers be done? |
| 16:31.04 | Decepticon | EdijusXP: i found the solution to my problem with the help of [deXter]|Away, he told me to use "create hidden process" or chp http://www.commandline.co.uk/chp/ |
| 16:31.18 | jelly | karmatronic: du / won't "show only / content" |
| 16:31.19 | firesburnsmup | I meant in addition to debootstrap, fdisk-ing, etc, etc. Almost everyone says to use a install .iso and boot from that, but I don't want to try that. |
| 16:31.48 | debian_ | Decepticon: Wrong channel? |
| 16:31.51 | karmatronic | jelly: right i was wrong |
| 16:31.54 | Decepticon | oh sorry |
| 16:31.59 | rjent | Greetings, if I install linux-patch-aufs with aptitude does it apply the patch on Lenny+2.6.22-3? |
| 16:33.03 | firesburnsmup | debian_: I think the trouble with those is the absence of open-source material of any kind from nvidia. The non-free repository has drivers, but nvidia isn't really throwing us any bones, really. |
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| 16:34.36 | akuwamari | jally: http://www.pastebin.ca/892665 |
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| 16:34.44 | akuwamari | jelly |
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| 16:36.03 | wols_ | debian_: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 16:36.25 | debian_ | Why not backwards engeneer it? |
| 16:36.37 | wols_ | it's already done |
| 16:36.52 | wols_ | and one can't reverse engineer nvidia.com drivers |
| 16:37.02 | debian_ | Then why isnt it 3d acelleration? |
| 16:37.05 | akuwamari | i am using fdisk but i can see partition table |
| 16:37.13 | debian_ | wols_: Why not? |
| 16:37.18 | akuwamari | fdisk /dev/hda1 |
| 16:37.45 | jelly | akuwamari: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:38.15 | akuwamari | to know what file fill the / |
| 16:38.35 | akuwamari | for some reason i can't see partitions |
| 16:39.05 | jelly | akuwamari: that file created lists the directories on / and the space they take up. |
| 16:39.19 | jelly | akuwamari: the space is in megabytes. |
| 16:39.25 | akuwamari | ok |
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| 16:39.31 | akuwamari | but what file to delete? |
| 16:39.33 | hell-jack | hey |
| 16:39.36 | hell-jack | an error |
| 16:39.38 | jelly | akuwamari: you figure it out. |
| 16:39.55 | hell-jack | pci: failed to allocate mem resources ... |
| 16:40.01 | hell-jack | what does that mean |
| 16:40.10 | hell-jack | is it importan or not ? |
| 16:40.17 | jelly | akuwamari: the file is sorted by disk usage, the directories taking the most space are at the bottom. |
| 16:40.33 | akuwamari | yeah, but the last is / |
| 16:40.52 | jelly | akuwamari: yes, total for all of the / is 248MB. |
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| 16:41.14 | jelly | akuwamari: total for everything under /root is 104MB, etc. |
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| 16:42.31 | terfy | hi guys |
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| 16:42.42 | jelly | akuwamari: here's a hint: don't run virtualbox or wine as root. |
| 16:42.50 | terfy | new release today ?? |
| 16:42.50 | tapas | i built a glibc replacement from a glibc 2.5 snapshot.. |
| 16:42.56 | akuwamari | yeah |
| 16:42.57 | tapas | package management still complains a bit |
| 16:42.59 | akuwamari | i saw |
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| 16:43.23 | jelly | akuwamari: don't run openoffice as root. Don't run anything as root unless you absolutely have to. |
| 16:43.43 | disposable | which package do i need to install to get "killall"? |
| 16:43.49 | akuwamari | ok |
| 16:43.52 | terfy | my openoffice doesnt work now.. :( |
| 16:43.57 | akuwamari | i delete virtualdisk |
| 16:44.00 | akuwamari | let me check |
| 16:44.01 | jelly | !tell akuwamari -about root |
| 16:44.13 | akuwamari | damm |
| 16:44.19 | akuwamari | nothing changed |
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| 16:45.09 | jelly | akuwamari: linux doesn't free up space for deleted files if they're still in use by a process |
| 16:45.21 | akuwamari | ok |
| 16:45.24 | akuwamari | i got 38M |
| 16:45.33 | cahoot | run sync? |
| 16:45.37 | akuwamari | i just delete .VirtualBox |
| 16:45.44 | jelly | akuwamari: use a normal account to run apps. |
| 16:45.45 | akuwamari | that was in root |
| 16:45.55 | akuwamari | ok, ok |
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| 16:47.09 | jelly | akuwamari: if you take a look at the sorted du output, you'll see the next biggest directories are /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7 and /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 16:47.22 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am trying to achieve, single sign on with kerberos, i am running etch and i am have the required enteries for kerb in sshd_config and ssh_config , but single sign on doesn't work as tickets dont get forwarded and i get prompted for password would appreciate if somewould be willing to help me out or point to debian specific docs |
| 16:47.26 | akuwamari | i want to know something , the . files are created when i run coomands with root account ? |
| 16:47.33 | terfy | haha... in openoffice after the upgrade... when I subtract it multiplies instead.. funny. |
| 16:47.37 | tapas | chops: you told me about the snapshot packages |
| 16:47.45 | chops | tapas: I did |
| 16:48.05 | tapas | chops: the snapshot packages seems to have some different dependencies than the original 2.3 glibc |
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| 16:48.11 | jelly | akuwamari: lots of dot files are automatically generated when you run stuff, yes |
| 16:48.11 | Hideme | Anyone know what this console error is: sda: current: sense key: recovered error Additional sense: Failure prediction threshold exceeded ? |
| 16:48.14 | chops | tapas: Correct |
| 16:48.19 | tapas | chops: i wonder how to fulfill these |
| 16:48.33 | tapas | chops: it seems the missing packages are not available in the stable repos [not surprising] |
| 16:48.35 | chops | tapas: Get them from snapshots, or get the 2.4 source from snapshots and backport it be hand |
| 16:48.39 | chops | *by hand |
| 16:48.40 | Nyle | !ops abrakadabra spam |
| 16:48.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: abrakadabra spam |
| 16:48.42 | prolefeed | does anyone know why apt-get would whine about dependencies it cant install when i try to install mencoder? |
| 16:48.48 | Nyle | oh fuck |
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| 16:48.51 | Nyle | hes not even here no more |
| 16:48.58 | tapas | chops: the 2.5 snapshot you mean? |
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| 16:49.00 | chops | tapas: Or... mention again to your boss that recompiling the original program just might be an easier way to go :-) |
| 16:49.04 | tapas | chops: l( |
| 16:49.04 | Nyle | nevermind, FALSE ALARM, but I still did get spam |
| 16:49.05 | tapas | ;) |
| 16:49.12 | akuwamari | so ,i can delete ? |
| 16:49.13 | chops | tapas: I thought you were running against libc6 2.4 |
| 16:49.24 | tapas | chops: i used the 2.5. snapshot |
| 16:49.33 | chops | tapas: 2.4 will probably go easier into etch |
| 16:49.34 | jelly | tapas: you're still wasting time with that binary-only app? :-| |
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| 16:49.58 | tapas | yeah |
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| 16:50.06 | tapas | i didn't find a 2.4 snapshot.. |
| 16:50.08 | tapas | only a 2.5 |
| 16:50.15 | Nyle | btw |
| 16:50.25 | Nyle | whatever happened to linux 2.5 |
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| 16:50.32 | Nyle | I just actively thought about this |
| 16:50.37 | Nyle | 2.4... jump... 2.6 |
| 16:50.37 | jelly | Nyle: not funny. |
| 16:50.48 | chops | Nyle: It was a development snapshot, never meant for public use |
| 16:50.48 | Nyle | jelly: I am not trying to be funny |
| 16:50.52 | terfy | can anyone confirm that openoffice packages are held now ?. what does it mean.. and my calc is broke now.. help |
| 16:51.02 | jelly | Nyle: it became 2.6 |
| 16:51.05 | Nyle | jelly: that is a legit question. |
| 16:51.06 | chops | Nyle: Well, not snapshot... a development branch. |
| 16:51.16 | Nyle | chops: I see |
| 16:51.30 | danuthaiduc | hello |
| 16:51.31 | Nyle | the entire 2.5 branch was not publically released? |
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| 16:51.42 | Nyle | well i'll be damned |
| 16:51.48 | jelly | Nyle: once upon a time, odd minors were devel, and even ones were releases |
| 16:51.49 | chops | Nyle: You can download it if you like |
| 16:52.03 | chops | Nyle: But it was never "released" in the sense that it was not meant for public consumption |
| 16:52.03 | Nyle | jelly: ahhh |
| 16:52.06 | Nyle | I did not know that |
| 16:52.06 | faclon | Hi, I have a problem with debian etch time. I have for example 7PM set int the bios. I am in a GMT -6 zone. So in debian appear 1PM, what do I need to do, set the bios time to GMT or change my time zone to a GMT one? or is there a different solution |
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| 16:52.09 | terfy | anyone ? |
| 16:52.13 | jelly | Nyle: now there arguably are no stable releases at all |
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| 16:52.35 | Nyle | jelly: btw, why did you tell me "not funny." |
| 16:52.46 | danuthaiduc | i have a problem with installing grub |
| 16:52.54 | jelly | Nyle: thought you were playing dumb |
| 16:53.18 | chops | faclon: Easiest is to set your BIOS clock to GMT; if you can't or don't want to do that, you can edit /etc/default/rcS and change UTC |
| 16:53.20 | Nyle | jelly: you just made an ass outta u and not me... don't assume. |
| 16:53.49 | jelly | Nyle: whatever |
| 16:54.21 | danuthaiduc | when I run "grub-install /dev/sda" it says "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 16:54.41 | danuthaiduc | can anyone help me? |
| 16:55.11 | Nyle | jelly: see the thing is |
| 16:55.22 | Nyle | jelly: I don't usually have to _play_ dumb |
| 16:55.37 | Nyle | jelly: I AM dumb. But at least on your part, don't assume. |
| 16:56.01 | Nyle | with all due respect, don't whatever me. |
| 16:56.25 | jelly | Nyle: I really thought you knew about the kernel release even/odd thing. Dropping the issue now. |
| 16:56.31 | Nyle | thank you. |
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| 16:58.06 | Hideme | Anyone know what this console error is: sda: current: sense key: recovered error Additional sense: Failure prediction threshold exceeded ? |
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| 16:58.24 | Nyle | I've never seen that |
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| 16:58.36 | Nyle | Hideme: google the error message, see if you find anything relevant |
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| 16:58.59 | Hideme | Nyle: Done, only one result with little information. |
| 16:59.00 | wols_ | Hideme: this time it could still read the sector |
| 16:59.05 | wols_ | next time it's likely it won't |
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| 16:59.16 | torrr | can the small 40MB disk can be used to repair disk? |
| 16:59.20 | t0mb0y | is there a way to search the contents within packages using apt? like apt-cache search, but look within pkgs for a filename |
| 16:59.21 | wols_ | ie. your disk is dying. not dead but soon |
| 16:59.24 | Hideme | wols_: Do the drive is about to die? |
| 16:59.32 | wols_ | !tell t0mb0y about search |
| 16:59.32 | Hideme | ok |
| 16:59.37 | Nyle | jelly: I'm not a linux expert, I hardly anything about computers to begin with man, I'm sorry I just get defensive as a reflex when I think someone is making fun of me or somethign else. You're alright. |
| 16:59.39 | wols_ | Hideme: smart thinks so |
| 16:59.40 | Hideme | thanks |
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| 17:00.03 | wols_ | Nyle: at least you admit you know nothing |
| 17:00.05 | t0mb0y | wols_ thanks |
| 17:00.08 | wols_ | look at me. I know everything |
| 17:00.14 | Nyle | wols_: that you do |
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| 17:00.18 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:00.24 | simonrvn | wols_: pitiful |
| 17:00.40 | wols_ | simonrvn: don't look down on Nyle, even if he is! |
| 17:00.43 | wols_ | meanie! |
| 17:00.52 | simonrvn | no, you |
| 17:00.59 | Nyle | simonrvn would never disrespect me |
| 17:01.05 | Nyle | as much as I know that man |
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| 17:01.13 | Nyle | never. |
| 17:01.30 | wols_ | simonrvn: you need to oil your detectors better |
| 17:01.40 | protoloco | Hello is pretty WEIRD.. i dont know why i cant acces to linux servers with public/private key with puttygen, putty, putty Agent, i have to make the key, and the acces via Linux... putty Agent in windows.. says that the key is not compatible.. i made it via. .putty gen of linux |
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| 17:02.02 | torrr | can the small 40MB installation CD be used to repair disk? and what is the command for ext3 check? |
| 17:02.10 | Nyle | dunno putty, but you probably have to generate keys on the ssh server |
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| 17:02.18 | simonrvn | they don't need oil, they're the fancy superconductor kind |
| 17:02.30 | nebM0ft | whats the command to install the latest alsa driver using m-a? |
| 17:02.35 | nebM0ft | !alsa |
| 17:02.35 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 17:02.44 | wols_ | I know I generated keys that worked with putty and debian ssh server before |
| 17:02.44 | wols_ | had no problem |
| 17:03.04 | Nyle | wols_: you generated them with putty o something? |
| 17:03.07 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:03.16 | wols_ | puttygen on windows yes |
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| 17:03.39 | jacekowski | i need sources.list for sid# |
| 17:03.40 | Nyle | I never had to do that, and I have passwordless ssh ogins on my internal network |
| 17:03.44 | Nyle | multitude of machines |
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| 17:03.56 | Nyle | you just copy the keys you generated with ssh-keyten -t rsa |
| 17:03.59 | nebM0ft | m-a alsa? |
| 17:04.00 | wols_ | Nyle: I used puttygen cause it was easy and I found a howto for it |
| 17:04.05 | Nyle | hm |
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| 17:04.14 | Nyle | nebM0ft: aptitude install alsa |
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| 17:05.03 | nebM0ft | Nyle: that won't help i have snd-hda-intel and i need the latest alsa. |
| 17:05.04 | Nyle | copy the rsa public key to any client basically, unless I don't understand what he is trying to do |
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| 17:05.58 | nebM0ft | Nyle: i need to install ALSA 1.0.12rc3 |
| 17:06.08 | prolefeed | can anyone tell me why this might be happening? http://pastebin.com/m4f4783dc |
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| 17:06.42 | pdani_ | hi |
| 17:06.49 | Nyle | nebM0ft: if its not in etch, see if the package is in lenny or sid.. check packages.debian.org.. when you find it, backport it maybe, no idea |
| 17:07.02 | hoxu | prolefeed, did you read what apt says? |
| 17:07.12 | craigevil | prolefeed: are you using the Etch repo for debian-multimedia? |
| 17:07.21 | Nyle | nebM0ft: and you just have an intel regular onboard... it should work |
| 17:07.22 | prolefeed | yes |
| 17:07.28 | prolefeed | yes to craigevil |
| 17:07.33 | hoxu | :) |
| 17:07.40 | nebM0ft | Nyle: no it shouldnt :) |
| 17:07.47 | Nyle | nebM0ft: really? |
| 17:07.57 | Nyle | how come? |
| 17:08.03 | nebM0ft | Nyle: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio never works with old alsa drivers... |
| 17:08.11 | nebM0ft | :( |
| 17:08.24 | nebM0ft | i need to install the newest driver |
| 17:08.31 | nebM0ft | or somewhat "newer" |
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| 17:08.36 | Nyle | which debian release are you using? |
| 17:08.41 | nebM0ft | etch |
| 17:08.42 | prolefeed | etch |
| 17:08.45 | Nyle | you'll have to either backport from sid |
| 17:08.55 | prolefeed | oops lol |
| 17:08.57 | simonrvn | if the package is like a -source package, there's not much to do except provide deps |
| 17:08.58 | Nyle | or build from source, might as well just try a backport |
| 17:09.00 | hoxu | people, can we address people properly? :P |
| 17:09.18 | nebM0ft | Nyle: how do i build from source for m-a? |
| 17:09.22 | simonrvn | hoxu: fine |
| 17:09.29 | hoxu | simonrvn, :) |
| 17:09.31 | simonrvn | *: if the package is like a -source package, there's not much to do except provide deps |
| 17:09.39 | hoxu | ha ! |
| 17:09.41 | simonrvn | teehee |
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| 17:10.22 | jmut | hi, I have the wierdest laptop layout ... del + ins are on top right cornern...and I got some usless windows keys up front. is there way to map the windows buttons to something usefull? |
| 17:10.25 | jelly | nebM0ft: I have a ATI SB600 HDA, it startec working somewhat ok in 2.6.20 and improved in 2.6.21. Maybe you could try a backported kernel. |
| 17:10.33 | Nyle | nebM0ft: I'm not sure |
| 17:10.34 | Nyle | but |
| 17:10.44 | hoxu | prolefeed, I'm afraid I'm not able to give advice regarding this particular problem, but have you considered compiling mplayer yourself? I think that's what the mplayerhq folks recommend anyway :P |
| 17:11.09 | nebM0ft | jelly: backport kernels run nicely with everything else? |
| 17:11.15 | Nyle | nebM0ft: apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source && m-a prepare && m-a update && m-a a-i alsa-source |
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| 17:11.20 | cizzi | when i type ssh host it connects to the host on port 22, but if i type ssh host:22 it refuses |
| 17:11.21 | cizzi | why? |
| 17:11.23 | nebM0ft | Nyle: thank you! |
| 17:11.24 | Nyle | nebM0ft: but try a newer kernel first |
| 17:11.28 | Nyle | nebM0ft: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:11.40 | prolefeed | hoxu: i'll look into that, thanks |
| 17:11.43 | jelly | nebM0ft: they usually do. Hell, I'm running 2.6.22 on sarge (oldstable) machines |
| 17:12.00 | Nyle | which NEVER worked for me but I've heard people who've had luck |
| 17:12.04 | Nyle | jelly: for example |
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| 17:12.22 | Nyle | I've tried lots of kmuto installer images |
| 17:12.41 | simonrvn | jmut: i map them to meta |
| 17:12.46 | Nyle | always a plethora of problems, so I just now don't bother, and simply use etch and build a kernel later |
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| 17:13.15 | simonrvn | jmut: if you have that "menu" key, i map that to compose |
| 17:13.43 | simonrvn | makes the stupid windoze kbd useful at least |
| 17:14.07 | karmatronic | cizzi: because this syntax is not correct |
| 17:14.14 | Nyle | simonrvn: I have mine mapped to my compiz-confusion scale plugin. |
| 17:14.17 | karmatronic | cizzi: you specify port with-p option |
| 17:14.29 | cizzi | karam - so "ssh host -p 22" ? |
| 17:14.32 | Nyle | karmatronic: hey man! whats up? thank you very much for the kind comments |
| 17:14.37 | Nyle | debian rules! |
| 17:14.40 | karmatronic | Nyle: yeah |
| 17:14.49 | karmatronic | cizzi: yes |
| 17:14.54 | cizzi | karam - ty |
| 17:15.02 | jelly | simonrvn: does <compose> <e> <`> do the sensible thing for you? |
| 17:15.25 | simonrvn | Nyle: my vid card doesn't do that sort of thing, plus i'm kinda old skool alt/ctrl-tab dude anyway |
| 17:15.35 | karmatronic | Nyle: check cesar huesca videos,this guy rocks! |
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| 17:15.50 | jmut | simonrvn: I will have to read some I guess, not clue what you just said. thanks though |
| 17:16.00 | jmut | simonrvn: at least this should mean there is a way :) |
| 17:16.02 | Nyle | karmatronic: I found a couple of people here who are in dire need of an Axe-man |
| 17:16.14 | Nyle | karmatronic: soon maybe, you will hear about me, muahaha |
| 17:16.16 | simonrvn | jelly: yes, but sometimes it'll just absorb the ` and just print that. i note that i have to hold down compose for a bit longer than usual to do anything useful |
| 17:16.25 | debian_ | Nyle: I really do! |
| 17:16.31 | simonrvn | è |
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| 17:16.39 | Nyle | debian_: no, you don't |
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| 17:16.51 | t0mb0y | is it common for apt-file update to kinda just hang there and not display anything |
| 17:16.56 | debian_ | Nyle: U said I did... |
| 17:17.05 | Nyle | I sure as hell did not. |
| 17:17.12 | zamba | i need help setting up my locale.. i have put the ones i want generated into /etc/locale.gen and run locale-gen |
| 17:17.17 | simonrvn | jelly: though i always do the "accent" part first, so: compose ` e |
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| 17:17.21 | zamba | the locales have all been generated, as far as i can tell |
| 17:17.26 | jelly | simonrvn: hm. compose on the olde DEC VT420 keyboard didn't require holding anything down |
| 17:17.39 | expose | Whats the codename after lenny? |
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| 17:17.44 | zamba | i have also added my chosen locale into /etc/environment using LANG and LC_CTYPE |
| 17:17.50 | zamba | but when i log on, i only see POSIX |
| 17:17.58 | zamba | how can i debug this? |
| 17:18.11 | Nyle | ohhhhhhh |
| 17:18.27 | Nyle | jelly: THATS why I never heard of 2.1 or 2.3 kernels being release/used |
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| 17:18.39 | Nyle | ahhh, man I did not know that |
| 17:18.43 | simonrvn | jelly: that's what i've heard |
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| 17:18.57 | Nyle | how could I not know that |
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| 17:19.10 | Nyle | now I can even see why jelly would think I was playing dumb |
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| 17:19.18 | Nyle | even a moron should know that heh |
| 17:19.24 | Nyle | massive brain fart |
| 17:19.47 | acidchild | heya, i have a Aver A180 TV tuner DVB thingi, all the modules seem to be loaded, i've done a fair bit of googleing, the Svideo inputs work from a playstation or what ever |
| 17:19.50 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 17:19.51 | acidchild | but how do i tune? |
| 17:19.56 | acidchild | Nyle: long time no speak. |
| 17:19.59 | jelly | Nyle: yes. In the gold days, after 1.3.99, 1.3.100 and 1.3.101 2.0 came. After 2.1.XX, 2.2 had been released. etc etc |
| 17:20.02 | Nyle | acidchild: holy shit! |
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| 17:20.14 | acidchild | :p |
| 17:20.17 | Nyle | acidchild: ... from where do I kow you |
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| 17:20.38 | acidchild | i'm thinking DALnet? or... BH? BHF? |
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| 17:20.40 | Nyle | dalnet? |
| 17:20.43 | Nyle | shell scripting channels |
| 17:20.47 | Nyle | thts right |
| 17:20.47 | Houssema | /s irc.realunix.net |
| 17:20.57 | acidchild | i donno fuck, i recoginse your nick from times of trolling. |
| 17:21.09 | acidchild | aye. |
| 17:21.09 | Nyle | hey indeed long time no see, how are you? glad to see you in #debian, I assume you're on debian, great choice |
| 17:21.24 | acidchild | err, not out of choice atm. |
| 17:21.30 | acidchild | but yeah i'm running debian |
| 17:21.38 | acidchild | any idea on my question ;x |
| 17:21.40 | Nyle | acidchild: are you saying I troll? |
| 17:21.59 | Nyle | acidchild: no idea |
| 17:22.05 | jelly | Nyle: nowadays it's all chaos, there are -rc releases and git snapshots and no one knows what the future brings and the children have no respect. |
| 17:22.12 | acidchild | no, i'm saying i use to roam around on IRC a while ago, and thats where your nick rings a bell. |
| 17:22.24 | Nyle | jelly: look man, I said I was sorry |
| 17:22.27 | Nyle | and yes I do respect |
| 17:22.33 | Nyle | shit. |
| 17:22.46 | Nyle | and I'm not so much of a child either, I'm friggin 27 |
| 17:22.48 | Nyle | :( |
| 17:22.48 | jelly | Nyle: I don't mean you. Far as I know you could be older than me! |
| 17:22.54 | simonrvn | jelly: plus odd-numbered released with the even-numbered ones |
| 17:22.59 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:23.02 | Nyle | oh ok i see |
| 17:23.04 | jelly | simonrvn: and four number! |
| 17:23.25 | jelly | 2.6.23.3 ... we didn't have four numbers, no sirree |
| 17:23.32 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 17:25.01 | sponzor | when i run apache.. and ppl when they do http://myip/files how to set password for that? that they nead to enter password to access |
| 17:25.22 | kakash1 | dies any bosy have any idea about the onlinejudge |
| 17:25.45 | kakash1 | "online judge " just like in acm-uva competitions |
| 17:25.53 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 17:26.16 | jelly | sponzor: http://www.google.com/search?q=htaccess+basic+auth |
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| 17:27.40 | jelly | sponzor: or ask #apache, they probably have better guides at hand |
| 17:28.00 | sponzor | tnx |
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| 17:28.58 | expose | is passing "DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low" on the kernel command line when using the testing netinstall effective? |
| 17:29.12 | akuwamari | i am trying to install adobereader |
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| 17:30.29 | jelly | which fs for a 15TB partition? I'm thinking xfs but have no real experience with it |
| 17:31.03 | kunsi | ntfs *running away* |
| 17:31.17 | kunsi | :D |
| 17:31.23 | jelly | kunsi: doesn't match my OS selection |
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| 17:31.45 | kunsi | okay |
| 17:32.03 | jelly | to be honest I don't even know which partition _table_ to use :-) |
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| 17:33.33 | akuwamari | but have problems with /opt |
| 17:33.48 | linkslice | how do I tell what version of debian is installed? |
| 17:34.26 | linkslice | i'm guessing etch, I see this in dmesg: (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
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| 17:37.55 | simonrvn | linkslice: /msg dpkg version |
| 17:38.10 | DarkFlib | cat /etc/debin_version |
| 17:38.23 | DarkFlib | but with a better spelling than mine... :P |
| 17:38.42 | linkslice | ah got it thanks! |
| 17:39.03 | chops | jelly: LVM definitely |
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| 17:39.09 | chops | jelly: If it's a 64-bit machine I would still go with ext3 |
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| 17:39.35 | DarkFlib | I've been finding LVM slow on my RAID6 array |
| 17:39.43 | seria-mau | hi. i have problems with linux image 2.6.24 i686 from testing |
| 17:39.48 | seria-mau | s/testing/unstable/ |
| 17:40.02 | DarkFlib | ended up using LVM on half and a raw ext3 on the other half for the stuff that needs to be fast |
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| 17:40.47 | seria-mau | i tried to run it with lvm-crypt from testing (my machine is mainly testing) but it fails when entering lvm-crypt passphrase on boot |
| 17:41.13 | seria-mau | tries to load some viapadlock_{aes|sha} module and fails |
| 17:41.45 | DarkFlib | seria-mau: what chipset you on then? |
| 17:41.48 | protoloco | Hello is pretty WEIRD.. i dont know why i cant acces to linux servers with public/private key with puttygen, putty, putty Agent, i have to make the key, and the acces via Linux... putty Agent in windows.. says that the key is not compatible.. i made it via. .putty gen of linux |
| 17:42.09 | seria-mau | its some ati board (toshiba laptop) |
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| 17:42.32 | seria-mau | ati ixp |
| 17:43.30 | DarkFlib | seria-mau: k.. iirc the padlock stuff is only valid on via chipsets (its an acceleration module) so have you tried commenting it out? |
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| 17:45.22 | seria-mau | where should i comment it out? |
| 17:45.39 | seria-mau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.17 | seria-mau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.24 | seria-mau | my / is encrypted, too |
| 17:46.47 | seria-mau | so /etc isnt accessible before the passphrase is accepted |
| 17:47.17 | maelstrom | how come debian comes with mp3 support ? thought it was all free software |
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| 17:48.33 | chops | maelstrom: There is free software that plays mp3s (or at least, free modulo dubious software patents, which affect an enormous amount of free software, not just mp3 software). Debian does _not_ include mp3 encoders, because of patent concerns. |
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| 17:48.41 | torrr | hi |
| 17:49.11 | chops | maelstrom: If you know of an mp3 decoder in Debian that may present legitimate problems by its inclusion in Debian, please bring it up on debian-legal |
| 17:49.18 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.26 | acidchild | torrr: .... |
| 17:50.38 | acidchild | depends on what exacly your trying to do. |
| 17:50.43 | deadlyallance271 | where can i find a list of the req packeges to run a genome desktop on x86 |
| 17:50.52 | torrr | I have a 10Mbps card, and a 1000Mbps card, and I am not sure that the faster is reliable |
| 17:50.58 | karmatronic | protoloco: gen the key with puttygen on windows or with ss-keygen on linux |
| 17:51.22 | maelstrom | i am not an expert or a lawyer ... i thought decoders needed licenses though |
| 17:51.28 | karmatronic | protoloco: you have probably a dos->unix conversion file pb , simply |
| 17:51.43 | karmatronic | protoloco: wich doesnt have nothing to do with puttygen |
| 17:51.50 | torrr | so I want to have the 1000Mbps, but in case it doesn't work I still want the 10Mbps to work |
| 17:52.27 | acidchild | i think you would have to make it if the 1000mbit fails the box runs a script to put th other card up |
| 17:52.52 | torrr | ah |
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| 17:54.42 | deadlyallance271 | where can i find a list of the req packeges to run a genome desktop on x86 i am looking for the bare minamim |
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| 17:54.52 | seria-mau | DarkFlib: any idea? |
| 17:54.58 | Nyle | !install gnome |
| 17:54.58 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 17:55.23 | Nyle | deadlyallance271: apt-cache show gnome-core |
| 17:55.32 | roddersg | hey deadlyallance - check out "lightweight gnome" on the ubuntu forums |
| 17:55.52 | Nyle | you should really use kde instead because that is what I suggest |
| 17:55.58 | Nyle | ehe |
| 17:56.08 | jelly | !start a de war |
| 17:56.15 | roddersg | deadlyallance - You will need x-window-system gnome-core (don't install gdm) |
| 17:56.19 | expose | Is passing "DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low" on the boot prompt line when using the testing netinstall cd effective when you want dpkg to show you everything? |
| 17:56.39 | Nyle | low is not what you want |
| 17:56.42 | Nyle | probably |
| 17:56.46 | Nyle | use priority=medium |
| 17:57.02 | Nyle | and yes, with low you see all the options, even the ones YOU don't understand |
| 17:57.10 | expose | I want the same i use in the installed system which is low. |
| 17:57.24 | Nyle | ok go for it |
| 17:57.25 | expose | So - is it "priority=low" or "DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low"? |
| 17:57.33 | expose | or both or what? |
| 17:58.05 | expose | i'm just wondering about the name of the option. |
| 17:58.24 | jelly | expose: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20060811 suggests the former |
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| 17:58.48 | Haris | Hello people |
| 17:58.49 | expose | thanks |
| 17:58.53 | jelly | For some common boot options, a short form can now be used [...] 'priority=medium' for 'debconf/priority=medium' |
| 17:58.53 | Haris | Where do I input the hostname? |
| 17:58.56 | Haris | I forget the fliename |
| 17:58.59 | Haris | filename+ |
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| 17:59.22 | jelly | expose: can't find it anywhere in the installation guide though :-) |
| 17:59.42 | Nyle | jelly: the installer itself. |
| 17:59.50 | Nyle | see page F7 |
| 17:59.52 | Nyle | iirc |
| 17:59.53 | Nyle | or f6 |
| 18:00.11 | Nyle | either is fine actually, also iirc, both ways would work |
| 18:00.14 | Nyle | !enter |
| 18:00.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 18:00.21 | Haris | I have hostname in /etc/hostname |
| 18:00.22 | jmut | mm. is it just me or I can't have user and group with same name? |
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| 18:00.24 | Haris | but its not set |
| 18:00.28 | jelly | !tell Nyle -about selftell :-> |
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| 18:00.39 | Haris | !hostname |
| 18:00.39 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 18:00.50 | chops | jmut: You can have user and group with the same name. |
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| 18:01.18 | Nyle | jelly: thats right.. keep pushing my buttons |
| 18:01.27 | Nyle | when I blow up |
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| 18:01.34 | Nyle | you'll have guts and blood splatter all over you |
| 18:01.42 | Nyle | would you like that? |
| 18:01.52 | jelly | Nyle: I'll watch TV for any NY explosions |
| 18:02.00 | Nyle | lol |
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| 18:02.22 | ustunozgur | hi, I can ssh to an etch server I built today, but it can not connect anywhere. What might the problem be? |
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| 18:02.37 | ustunozgur | also, apache works too |
| 18:02.37 | Nyle | nameserver? |
| 18:02.43 | Nyle | oh hm |
| 18:02.48 | Nyle | lets see |
| 18:02.58 | jelly | ustunozgur: "can't connect" usig what? |
| 18:03.20 | ustunozgur | for example apt-get does not work |
| 18:03.27 | ustunozgur | neither wget |
| 18:03.27 | jelly | ustunozgur: how does it not work? |
| 18:03.29 | Nyle | he ssh into etch, but etch box can't get on the 'internet' works |
| 18:03.37 | Nyle | !doesn't work |
| 18:03.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 18:04.20 | ustunozgur | but the strange this is, if it were dns problem if I gave the ip it would dl right? |
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| 18:04.26 | Nyle | how bout you ssh into etch and ping google |
| 18:04.33 | nebM0ft | I added backports line to my /etc/apt/sources.list file and when i run apt-cache search kernel, I don't see any kernel packages newer than 2.6.18 am I doing it wrong? |
| 18:04.34 | jelly | ustunozgur: possibly. |
| 18:04.36 | ustunozgur | ping doesn't work too |
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| 18:04.48 | karmatronic | ustunozgur: ping 217.12.3.11 works? |
| 18:04.49 | acidchild | i can't wait to remove this debian crap from my box. |
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| 18:05.11 | nebM0ft | debian crap? :) |
| 18:05.19 | jelly | karmatronic: that's not google! |
| 18:05.19 | ustunozgur | but for example if I do wget 84.44.114.44 |
| 18:05.21 | Nyle | acidchild: first step. GET THE FUCK outta #debian. |
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| 18:05.28 | acidchild | Nyle: f u :P |
| 18:05.36 | karmatronic | ustunozgur: echo "nameserver 194.2.0.20" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:05.37 | ustunozgur | it resolves the server name :S |
| 18:05.42 | karmatronic | jelly: yeah it s yahoo |
| 18:05.43 | ix | internet anger! |
| 18:05.53 | karmatronic | ustunozgur: so, does ping 217.12.3.11 works? |
| 18:06.08 | jelly | karmatronic: ew, you have an open recursor? |
| 18:06.09 | ustunozgur | 19 transmitted 0 received |
| 18:06.13 | ustunozgur | 100% loss |
| 18:06.14 | Nyle | acidchild: i'm not kidding. Keep the negativity to yoruself or bitch about debian elsewhere. Unless you have valid points to make as to why debian sucks and in which regard |
| 18:06.22 | acidchild | f u |
| 18:06.30 | acidchild | clam down man, can't you take a lil leg pulling? |
| 18:06.35 | Nyle | acidchild: just because YOU can't make it work, don't blame us or the debian distro |
| 18:06.37 | jelly | debian/rules anyway |
| 18:06.46 | acidchild | sure i can make it work. |
| 18:06.47 | acidchild | lol |
| 18:06.48 | Nyle | acidchild: ah |
| 18:06.52 | tralala | debian/rules all |
| 18:06.52 | karmatronic | acidchild: you are acid indeed |
| 18:06.54 | Nyle | acidchild: asshole :) |
| 18:06.59 | acidchild | ive been useing linux for a very very long time |
| 18:07.01 | ustunozgur | how come can it now that 84.44.114.44 is sozluk.sourtimes.org if it were a DNS problem? |
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| 18:07.11 | ustunozgur | s/now/know/ |
| 18:07.24 | amphi | acidchild: but that's still the best joke you can come up with? |
| 18:07.31 | jelly | ustunozgur: you has it in /etc/hosts, perchance? |
| 18:07.35 | ustunozgur | but wget doesn't dl either |
| 18:07.36 | acidchild | amphi: no joke, pulling leg is better. |
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| 18:07.43 | akuwamari | how can i delete a printer in Etch ? |
| 18:07.44 | Nyle | jelly: you has? |
| 18:07.47 | ustunozgur | jelly no it's brand new installation |
| 18:07.53 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
| 18:08.06 | acidchild | sit on a knife today people or sommat? |
| 18:08.06 | tralala | Nyle, no, he have |
| 18:08.06 | jelly | Nyle: i can has cheesburger |
| 18:08.06 | karmatronic | akuwamari: with cups |
| 18:08.06 | akuwamari | how? |
| 18:08.14 | amphi | acidchild: it hardly amounts to 'pulling leg' either |
| 18:08.18 | karmatronic | akuwamari: if it s installed point your browser at http://127.0.0.1:631/admin |
| 18:08.22 | chops | Does anyone happen to know if the Dell MD1000-series storage appliances are well-supported by Debian? |
| 18:08.29 | ustunozgur | if I do an /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:08.29 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.34 | acidchild | amphi: thats your opinion, and whats come out of your mouth is no more productive than my comment. |
| 18:08.36 | ustunozgur | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 18:08.38 | Nyle | jelly: yeh dogez, let me learn you sum sum |
| 18:08.40 | tralala | can I has some help, why iz debina so s1ow, lol!!? |
| 18:08.46 | ustunozgur | and it says 'failed to bring up eth0' |
| 18:08.46 | tacit | I have apt-proxy set up and working. I'd like to feed the packages from my DVDs into the apt-proxy cache. apt-proxy-import looks like the right tool, but from what I understand is that it moves it from the apt archive to the apt-proxy one. How do I feed the DVDs? |
| 18:08.56 | jelly | Nyle: werd up yo |
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| 18:09.02 | Nyle | tralala: lolz |
| 18:09.13 | acidchild | tralala: coz your computer is slow, and you probly have alot runniung. |
| 18:09.14 | karmatronic | ustunozgur: route print shows eth0 as the default interface in the gw line |
| 18:09.18 | amphi | thank ghod for the oubliette |
| 18:09.26 | Nyle | amphi: ping |
| 18:09.29 | Nyle | AHAHAHA |
| 18:09.29 | jelly | chops: is it an original Dell product or something rebranded? |
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| 18:09.35 | Nyle | I pinged him hehe |
| 18:09.37 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 18:09.38 | amphi | Nyle: pon? |
| 18:09.48 | Nyle | ahha yeh just dont' mess with me |
| 18:09.52 | Nyle | or I wil get a moron! |
| 18:10.01 | Nyle | sic em on ya |
| 18:10.12 | amphi | Nyle: the noble quest has still not reached its denouement? |
| 18:10.13 | tralala | !comfort Nyle |
| 18:10.13 | dpkg | There, there, Nyle. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:10.28 | Nyle | amphi: not as of yet |
| 18:10.36 | akuwamari | damm, every time i try to print using adobeReader , it close |
| 18:10.41 | Nyle | amphi: one day... hopefully. (not bloody likely) |
| 18:10.51 | amphi | Nyle: abject sloth is the only possible explanation |
| 18:11.10 | akuwamari | only with adobe, openoffice no |
| 18:11.18 | chops | jelly: It's an original Dell product. It uses the SAS 5i HBA to talk some proprietary (?) wire protocol to the host, apparently. |
| 18:11.31 | karmatronic | akuwamari: google for that problem |
| 18:11.32 | Nyle | akuwamari: how about you try to print pdf files using xpdf or gpdf or kpdf |
| 18:11.34 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 18:11.59 | ustunozgur | karmatronic, sorry how do I use that? route print |
| 18:12.18 | nebM0ft | !alsa |
| 18:12.18 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 18:12.40 | akuwamari | but with xpdf can't see the printer |
| 18:13.03 | madclicker | hi, how can i clone a partition layout from one disk to another? |
| 18:13.14 | jelly | chops: maybe they converse in plain scsi. er, sas. |
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| 18:13.40 | hoxu | madclicker, are those disks identical? |
| 18:13.54 | hoxu | madclicker, I guess they are, have a look at sfdisk |
| 18:13.58 | chops | jelly: They may |
| 18:13.59 | jelly | chops: in any case, I don't have one. Am playing with something similar, but it has a normal FC interface to the host |
| 18:14.03 | tacit | madclicker: hmm... dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/hdb |
| 18:14.04 | chops | jelly: Yeah |
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| 18:14.15 | nebM0ft | Where's a good place to add export path names? |
| 18:14.17 | chops | jelly: I would actually feel much better about something that spoke FC |
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| 18:14.29 | nebM0ft | i need to set JDK_HOME for IDEA |
| 18:14.31 | chops | jelly: But the MD1000 is cheaper :-/ |
| 18:14.35 | hoxu | madclicker, see man 8 sfdisk, -d option |
| 18:14.35 | Nyle | nebM0ft: .bashrc |
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| 18:14.39 | ksool | Can any body think why my mouse would disappear from /proc/bus/input/devices after a reboot? |
| 18:14.43 | techouse | jelly: you there? |
| 18:14.47 | nebM0ft | Nyle: what if i never run bash... |
| 18:14.47 | Nyle | nebM0ft: ~/.bashrc |
| 18:14.48 | ustunozgur | tacit, shouldn't it be count=1M? |
| 18:14.58 | nebM0ft | only X |
| 18:15.01 | hoxu | ustunozgur, NO |
| 18:15.02 | chops | jelly: You can put either SAS or SATA drives in the thing... I'm planning to assume that the protocol is proprietary unless I happen to see otherwise |
| 18:15.08 | hoxu | !lart ustunozgur |
| 18:15.14 | tacit | ustunozgur: Last time I looked, my partition table was in the first 512 byte. |
| 18:15.31 | hoxu | tacit, and really, why should you use dd, for the thrill of it? :P |
| 18:15.47 | ustunozgur | oh sorry I read that wrong |
| 18:15.53 | Haris | wave? |
| 18:15.57 | Haris | Is that from the cartoons? |
| 18:15.58 | ustunozgur | I thought about cloning the partition |
| 18:15.59 | akuwamari | in xpdf it request for a command to print, but i can't see the available printers |
| 18:16.01 | jelly | chops: yeah. It almost looks as a jbod + controller on the server side |
| 18:16.03 | Haris | :p |
| 18:16.06 | tacit | ustunozgur: But you're right for extended partitions |
| 18:16.15 | chops | jelly: That's exactly what I want |
| 18:16.21 | hoxu | Haris, I believe saying that to anime folks will get you castrated, good luck :P |
| 18:16.27 | jelly | chops: now, if it _is_ a jbod, it has a hefty price tag on it. |
| 18:16.44 | tacit | hoxu: I guess you're right. |
| 18:16.47 | Nyle | !fear |
| 18:16.47 | dpkg | Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200308/Gamatex-1060248783.jpg |
| 18:16.50 | Nyle | no |
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| 18:17.14 | tacit | I have apt-proxy set up and working. I'd like to feed the packages from my DVDs into the apt-proxy cache. apt-proxy-import looks like the right tool, but from what I understand is that it moves it from the apt archive to the apt-proxy one. How do I feed the DVDs? |
| 18:17.15 | Nyle | hmmm.. oh man I want to play this game so bad |
| 18:17.23 | Nyle | FEAR i saw the trialer on youtube just now man |
| 18:17.24 | techouse | jelly: i hd to reformat my pc cause some fucking windows partitioner fucked it up; do you remember which package is was yesterday that didn't allow to build azureus? |
| 18:17.31 | Nyle | wow |
| 18:17.40 | Haris | !farcry |
| 18:18.18 | Nyle | "Tell me of your home world, Usil." |
| 18:18.20 | jelly | chops: this box takes 24 sata disks and they claim 600MB/s performance (haven't bench'ed yet): http://www.infortrend.com/main/2_product/es_a24f-r%28g%292430.asp |
| 18:18.23 | hoxu | tacit, I don't know apt-proxy-import, but if it can import from apt cache, isn't that just .debs in one directory? So put the debs on DVDs in one directory and import them? |
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| 18:18.39 | madclicker | hoxu, thanks |
| 18:18.47 | Nyle | *out* |
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| 18:18.57 | techouse | jelly: for this error http://pastebin.com/d44a0ef73 |
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| 18:19.44 | blah | I wonder why the update of xserver-xorg-core wants delete xorg, xserver-xorg, xserver* lol.. |
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| 18:20.04 | acidchild | coz debian has a stupid package management |
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| 18:20.11 | jelly | chops: but I guess you're already a good friend of Dell :-) |
| 18:20.13 | chops | jelly: I may have a big hassle convincing my boss to go with a non-Dell solution, unfortunately... certainly we'll need a good warranty |
| 18:20.19 | chops | jelly: _I_ am certainly not |
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| 18:20.32 | jelly | the $employer is |
| 18:20.37 | chops | jelly: It makes good sense (more or less) for our desktops... but it's been sort of a boondoggle for the servers. |
| 18:20.50 | badcfe | i see i as a normal user has a .gnupg directory in my home that is exclucively accessible by root. is this normal? why is this so? |
| 18:20.57 | jelly | chops: we've had very good experience with HP servers |
| 18:20.59 | chops | jelly: It turns out the two problem spaces are different. Who could have guessed? :-) |
| 18:21.03 | chops | jelly: Have you? |
| 18:21.04 | msan | I've got a system at home running lenny. I would like to be able to play/control/listen, on my laptop, the music that is sitting on my server. Whether I'm at work, or outside by the pool. I can VNC into my system over SSH. I don't want to serve the music to the public, just to myself. |
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| 18:21.16 | msan | What tools can/should I use ? |
| 18:21.27 | nollidj | msan: sshfs? |
| 18:21.37 | jelly | chops: they mostly just work, and the remote management tools are decent |
| 18:21.51 | chops | jelly: I've still been leery of HP since the Bad Old Years some years back, when all their consumer products were big boxes of poop with shipping labels. |
| 18:21.53 | hoxu | msan, sshfs is indeed probably the easiest as it works already |
| 18:22.02 | nollidj | msan: if you're in gnome or kde, you may just be able to play stuff using sftp:// in your file browser |
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| 18:22.12 | chops | jelly: IBM is the only big-name vendor I feel comfortable about, and they're substantially more expensive than the other obvious options |
| 18:22.22 | jelly | chops: heh |
| 18:22.22 | mamep | hello, i have a strange problem when i do sudo -i my paths are lost... |
| 18:22.27 | mamep | can someone help me with this? |
| 18:22.29 | chops | jelly: I'll take a look at HP's offerings... hm... |
| 18:22.30 | msan | !dpkg sshfs |
| 18:22.49 | msan | !sshfs |
| 18:22.49 | dpkg | hmm... sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
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| 18:23.37 | mamep | ? |
| 18:23.47 | tacit | hoxu: alright, not installing rsync as a backend for apt-proxy to handle files is a _bad_ idea. Thanks. |
| 18:24.04 | ustunozgur | so, any ideas about my system being unable to connect anywhere, even though I can connect to it via ssh? |
| 18:24.09 | chops | jelly: My low point with Dell came some years back, when their rep got mad at me because I didn't want to buy a rack without a ~$400 warranty |
| 18:24.24 | Haris | Is there any tool in/for debian that can be used to implement Cisco HSRP concept? |
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| 18:25.01 | Arelis | Hey guys. Someone recommended Debian to me instead of Ubuntu. Can i use it for everything i can do with Ubuntu? |
| 18:25.08 | jelly | techouse: I remember libswt-gtk-3.3-java and build-depends |
| 18:25.09 | chops | jelly: "We're ready to order the rack you had specced for us, order #xxx in the quotes you did. I had a couple of questions about the details, though -- it looks like we're paying about $300 for on-site service. Is that really necessary for something that's essentially furniture?" |
| 18:25.21 | techouse | jelly: tnx! |
| 18:25.22 | chops | jelly: (no response for 4 days) |
| 18:25.26 | chops | jelly: "Ping?" |
| 18:25.27 | techouse | i lost all my logs :P |
| 18:25.31 | tralala | Arelis, and more. Some things however will be more difficult to achieve |
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| 18:25.50 | chops | jelly: "The rack's are required to have a 3 yr warranty ... [it is] standard, required, and cannot be removed." |
| 18:26.17 | nollidj | Haris: look for CARP |
| 18:26.22 | jelly | chops: dunno, if the boss doesn't nag about it, I'd just shrug it off |
| 18:26.28 | msan | wow sshfs looks pretty simple. Just need a SSH server (which I've got) and now just need to add sshfs to my laptop. |
| 18:26.31 | chops | jelly: When we asked for a new server rep, he called me and we discussed at at some length. He mentioned, for example, that the doors might malfunction and require service. |
| 18:26.54 | nollidj | Haris: if that will do you. i'm not an expert by any means, but there should be free implementations of CARP for linux. (whether CARP can serve for what you want, i couldn't say off the bat) |
| 18:27.16 | chops | jelly: That said, getting all our hardware service from one vendor is very handy. I just wish it wasn't Dell. |
| 18:27.21 | cizzi | this is my first attempt to try to resolve a patch's .rej file.. its small, http://debian.pastebin.com/m1b66168b can someone tell me whats going on? |
| 18:27.28 | jelly | msan: you just need to add yourself to fuse group, and you're all set |
| 18:27.33 | madclicker | hoxu, i did the dump, but how do i wright the partition on the new drive? |
| 18:27.50 | msan | jelly: thanks. |
| 18:28.33 | hoxu | madclicker, see the same manual page, it's right there, in the -d option section |
| 18:28.36 | jelly | techouse: I still have my own build at http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/azureus_3.0.4.2-1_all.deb |
| 18:28.51 | techouse | jelly: seems i already have libswt-gtk-3.3 and the build-deps |
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| 18:29.07 | tralala | jelly, is that for etch? |
| 18:29.11 | techouse | and it still refuses :P |
| 18:29.24 | jelly | tralala: no, lenny |
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| 18:29.47 | Arelis | tralala, Like what? |
| 18:29.59 | jelly | tralala: if you can backport libswt-gtk-3.3-java it ought to work, I guess |
| 18:30.09 | nebM0ft | I installed alsa from source using m-a and I also installed kernel 2.6.22-3 and still no sound with "ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio" is there anything else i could try to get the sound working? |
| 18:30.19 | hoxu | !tell nebM0ft about alsa checklist |
| 18:30.28 | tralala | Arelis, wireless networking, nvidia/ati drivers and such |
| 18:30.29 | nebM0ft | sound is on an volume is set to max, all users have audio permissions... |
| 18:31.00 | madclicker | hoxu, i did that but i get > http://pastebin.ca/892779 |
| 18:31.11 | nebM0ft | hoxu: i dont think there's anything in the checklist that could help me... |
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| 18:31.12 | nebM0ft | :( |
| 18:31.22 | jelly | techouse: there was also a need to fix the swt.jar alternative. rm /etc/alternatives/swt.jar; update-alternatives --auto swt.jar |
| 18:31.30 | Arelis | tralala, why the ati driver problems? |
| 18:31.31 | Haris | nollidj: well, the first page on google doesn't give much on it |
| 18:31.32 | techouse | k |
| 18:31.34 | tralala | jelly, I have the gut feeling that porting libswt-gtk-3.3-java would be a pita |
| 18:31.35 | techouse | tnx! |
| 18:31.39 | Haris | aha! |
| 18:31.41 | Haris | it does! |
| 18:31.44 | Haris | Common Address Redundancy Protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 18:31.44 | nollidj | Haris: check out ucarp |
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| 18:31.56 | nollidj | and maybe you might want to check out openbsd, as that is where it was developed |
| 18:31.57 | nollidj | but, yes |
| 18:31.59 | mabel | How do I uninstall a package I installed through "dpkg -i pkg.deb"? I can't see it in Synaptic. |
| 18:32.21 | jelly | tralala: I thought building (new upstream version of) azureus would be, but there weren't many problems. |
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| 18:32.33 | chops | mabel: dpkg -r? |
| 18:32.58 | jelly | tralala: you can always play dumb, fix the Depends, try installing it and see if it works |
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| 18:33.35 | Haris | nollidj: ucarp seems promissing |
| 18:33.36 | humbolto | is it possible to convert a snapshot to become the original? lets say, I create a snapshot and then do some changes to the original (e.g. upgrade the system) just to find out, it is not worth it and I want to revert back. Can I then somehow magically get rid of the changes and revert back to the state of the snapshot? |
| 18:33.38 | Haris | :-) |
| 18:33.46 | humbolto | LVM I am talking about |
| 18:33.46 | nebM0ft | Any other suggestions on getting cat |
| 18:33.54 | tralala | jelly, hmm, I didn't think of cheating... might try |
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| 18:34.21 | jelly | tralala: it's java, supposed to be portable :-) |
| 18:34.25 | Arelis | tralala, Well, i have an ATI Radeon 9600. and my cpu is an AMD Athlon 2800+. Will i have any problems? |
| 18:34.29 | tralala | Arelis, because debian doesn't put much emphasys on supporting propriarity software |
| 18:34.32 | Arelis | tralala, also, should i use 'testing'? |
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| 18:34.39 | tralala | jelly, heh, nice one ;) |
| 18:34.45 | nebM0ft | Any other suggestions on getting "ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio" to work? |
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| 18:35.20 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:35.30 | hoxu | madclicker, hum well, I guess that does not work then, you could try the dd command someone said earlier, or ask the question again |
| 18:35.30 | jelly | nebM0ft: I see two options: a) upgrade kernel, or b) install new alsa-drivers |
| 18:35.41 | nebM0ft | jelly: i did both of those.. |
| 18:35.44 | nebM0ft | still no sound |
| 18:35.46 | jelly | humbolto: #lvm ? |
| 18:35.57 | nebM0ft | jelly: i can now see pcm setting in alsamixer |
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| 18:36.05 | nebM0ft | but setting it to max and unmuting it doesn nothing.. |
| 18:36.06 | nebM0ft | :( |
| 18:36.09 | jelly | humbolto: try #alsa then |
| 18:36.10 | tralala | Arelis, you should use stable. 9600 should work without 3d out of the box |
| 18:36.16 | jelly | oops |
| 18:36.25 | jelly | nebM0ft: try #alsa then |
| 18:36.41 | Arelis | tralala, and WITH 3d? |
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| 18:37.14 | tralala | Arelis, I don't know. |
| 18:37.54 | Arelis | tralala, well I know that on Ubuntu, without the fglrx driver and using the open-source 'radeon' driver, 3d games DID work but i had random system/kernel crashes. |
| 18:38.04 | nebM0ft | Is it discouraged to install the latest alsa-driver from the tarballs found on the alsa page? |
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| 18:38.08 | huhlig | damn |
| 18:38.14 | nebM0ft | I heard my other packages might break... |
| 18:38.21 | huhlig | I cant upgrade because the VPS is using a RH Kernel |
| 18:38.27 | huhlig | on xen |
| 18:38.30 | huhlig | flub |
| 18:38.55 | jelly | nebM0ft: if you install _only_ linux kernel drivers, the only thing you can break is alsa kernel drivers |
| 18:39.04 | tralala | Arelis, I'm not surprised by ubuntu's (lack of) stability. With debian etch you won't have 3d with radeon. |
| 18:39.31 | jelly | tralala: that's weird, I thought radeon driver supported 9600 |
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| 18:39.42 | Arelis | tralala, the fglrx driver fixed it.. weird, eh? |
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| 18:39.53 | tralala | jelly, we're speaking about 3d |
| 18:39.59 | jelly | tralala: I know |
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| 18:40.29 | nebM0ft | jelly: let me see if that helps, i built the source using m-a before.. |
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| 18:40.37 | tralala | jelly, according to the manual 9600 is 2d only |
| 18:40.38 | nebM0ft | that didnt seem to do the job. |
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| 18:41.32 | chops | Hm... so now I'm looking at the Powervault MD3000i, using iSCSI instead of whatever the previous HBA was speaking. This carries the advantage that I'm confident of being able to use it while continuing to avoid the use of the Dell server tools. |
| 18:41.33 | jelly | nebM0ft: typically you'd need to cd to the driver source subtree and do "make modules" |
| 18:41.43 | bmm | Hi. I've got a weird bash thing that doesn't work: mkdir TV; touch '~/TV/ .ogv' |
| 18:41.59 | jelly | nebM0ft: possibly setting KSRC variable to /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:42.00 | nebM0ft | jelly: any clue what the pathname to that dir is? |
| 18:42.08 | chops | Has anyone had particular success or failure with iSCSI on Debian? |
| 18:42.18 | jelly | nebM0ft: somewhere in the unpacked alsa tree :-) |
| 18:42.32 | nebM0ft | jelly: and where can i modify KSRC? |
| 18:42.36 | Arelis | tralala, can you please link me to that part of the manual? |
| 18:42.48 | bmm | What could be the problem, because touch ~/TV/\ .ogv does work, but '~/TV/ .ogv' does not. What can be the problem here? |
| 18:42.51 | jelly | nebM0ft: _if_ you need it, in the shell. |
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| 18:43.02 | nollidj | bmm: the literal quotes are keeping ~ from being expanded to the value of your home dir |
| 18:43.03 | jelly | nebM0ft: export KSRC=whatever |
| 18:43.17 | jelly | nebM0ft: then you'd run make |
| 18:43.19 | tralala | Arelis, install etch; man radeon |
| 18:43.20 | bmm | nollidj: Oooooh... doh! Thanks! |
| 18:43.24 | nebM0ft | jelly: won't that only last for one session? |
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| 18:43.40 | nollidj | bmm: np :-) |
| 18:43.45 | jelly | nebM0ft: you only need to build the modules in that one session |
| 18:43.51 | Arelis | tralala, I'm waiting to install Etch until i'm sure i can fix the problems i will have with it once installed. |
| 18:43.57 | Arelis | tralala, but i need the necessary information. |
| 18:43.59 | xuser | nollidj! |
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| 18:44.12 | nollidj | xuser: yes? |
| 18:44.37 | jelly | nebM0ft: ask #alsa for details on building kernel modules form the source; I might be remembering things incorrectly |
| 18:44.42 | nebM0ft | jelly: how can i find the dir with the unpacked alse |
| 18:44.50 | tralala | Arelis, debian is more secure/stable than ubuntu, but it is also more demanding - you need to spend time learning how to efficiently use it. If you'd rather have things work without bothering too much debian is not for you. |
| 18:44.53 | nebM0ft | jelly: no one is responding there.. |
| 18:45.01 | xuser | i haven't been able to do the external monitor thing with the laptop |
| 18:45.08 | nollidj | xuser: ahh, ok |
| 18:45.12 | nollidj | xuser: i could send you my xorg.conf on pastebin |
| 18:45.12 | xuser | nollidj: can you share your xorg.conf? |
| 18:45.15 | nollidj | sure |
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| 18:45.16 | jelly | nebM0ft: so wait. Or ask their mailing list. |
| 18:45.21 | xuser | nollidj: that would be great |
| 18:45.23 | Arelis | tralala, Well, more stableness is certainly the most wanted feature here. I tend to break OS's 2 times in a week. |
| 18:45.37 | Arelis | tralala, figuratively speaking |
| 18:45.58 | nebM0ft | jelly: this is a pain in the ass. |
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| 18:46.17 | nebM0ft | i installed the backported latest kernel, shouldnt that make alsa work? |
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| 18:46.48 | tralala | Arelis, try etch then. If you don't like it you can always change it. |
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| 18:46.53 | ustunozgur | What is the best practice to install drupal on Debian etch? I found this http://pkg-drupal.alioth.debian.org/drupal-on-etch.html but dpkg says 'do not install through the debian package' |
| 18:47.15 | Arelis | tralala, will Etch really remedy that? :P |
| 18:47.26 | Arelis | tralala, I need things like Adobe Flash. |
| 18:47.27 | techouse | jelly: still won't build :P what what's the command to view all the java apps installed? |
| 18:47.32 | Arelis | tralala, and a good browser. |
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| 18:47.36 | osasvaz | hola alguien que able español |
| 18:47.40 | shamrock | Hi folks. I need some guidance getting my lpr working from the bash shell. It has just stopped working. My ENV PRINTER is set correctly. I can print from desktop apps. |
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| 18:48.03 | jelly | nebM0ft: *shrug* |
| 18:48.10 | osasvaz | hola |
| 18:48.19 | osasvaz | español |
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| 18:48.47 | jelly | nebM0ft: you can always go _read the alsa documentation_ and figure it out by yourself |
| 18:48.50 | tralala | Arelis, etch has plenty of browsers and you can install flash on it. You will know for sure only after you try it. |
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| 18:49.09 | Arelis | tralala, flash is propietary right? |
| 18:49.23 | nebM0ft | jelly: I found the patch for the latest alsa-driver to make my sound card work, but it fails to work on debian.. |
| 18:49.28 | nebM0ft | works on every other distro... |
| 18:49.30 | sco50000 | Arelis: yes |
| 18:49.45 | nollidj | xuser: it's up at http://rafb.net/p/216OND96.html |
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| 18:50.36 | tralala | Arelis, also debian has the (huge) advantage of having #debian, although the channel would expect significant involvment from your part. You won't be handed any easy answers. |
| 18:50.40 | nollidj | xuser: the key is in the "Monitor" sections and the "Monitor-LVDS" (= internal display) and "Monitor-DVI" (= external display) commands in the two device sections |
| 18:50.58 | tralala | Arelis, yes, flash is propriarity |
| 18:51.05 | techouse | jelly: i'll try sid eclipse |
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| 18:51.23 | nollidj | xuser: the "Monitor-xxx" options may not work with the radeon driver (or whatever you are using), but i think it is worth a shot |
| 18:51.41 | Arelis | tralala, The guys in #ubuntu-offtopic told me the people here are generally very restrictive and not-so-friendly. But i guess i'll just have to try it out. I will do some necessary research, but if i can't find it.. i'll ask here. |
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| 18:51.51 | kqrdeb | hi i use the xfce version and what i wonder is how to change the keyboard layout... i got curious and want to try dvorak for a while ^^ anyone know? :) |
| 18:51.55 | osasvaz | hola |
| 18:51.56 | jelly | techouse: doing a backport is often a nontrivial task. Have fun. |
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| 18:52.13 | amphi | Arelis: this is a debian support channel, not ubuntu |
| 18:52.24 | chops | !tell osasvaz about es |
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| 18:52.28 | Arelis | amphi, I know. |
| 18:52.31 | danand | Arelis - there is supposed to be an open alternative to flash called gnash |
| 18:52.33 | jelly | techouse: FWIW, I built it using sun-java6-jdk for javac |
| 18:52.34 | hoxu | amphi, that was uncalled for :p |
| 18:52.39 | Arelis | amphi, I was only referring to #ubuntu-offtopic because i was chatting there. |
| 18:52.57 | Arelis | danand, I tried that on FreeBSD and it kept crashing the X-server. I don't want that again. |
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| 18:53.12 | amphi | Arelis: why would we care what people in #ubuntu-offtopic say? |
| 18:53.16 | holycow | hey guys. i'm copying files from a network share to a local disk mounted over usb. my cpu is basically pegged and the desktop functions slowly on my debian box. is this common? is this the kernel issue that one developer was complaining about? |
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| 18:53.26 | hoxu | Arelis, can be true, other distros may actually have more friendly community channels, that's what I hear at least, but if you don't let grumpy people bother you I think this place can be a valuable resource |
| 18:53.33 | hoxu | !rack amphi |
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| 18:53.37 | Grab | hi |
| 18:53.38 | Grab | can you guys please suggest any free shell where i can host eggdrop ? |
| 18:53.42 | xuser | nollidj: gonna give it a try right now, thanks |
| 18:53.43 | danand | Arelis - :( maybe i'll wait till its a bit more stable then! |
| 18:53.44 | nebM0ft | when will jdk 6 comeout for etch? |
| 18:53.56 | Arelis | amphi, Ya don't, but i actually have SOME experience with this channel.. i was asking a question earlier about a screwed up screen resolution and the channel was totally empty. both on freenode and oftc |
| 18:53.57 | amphi | !penixstrike hoxu |
| 18:53.57 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking hoxu to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:54.06 | jelly | holycow: there is a stupid default in hal making (small?) USB disks mount with "sync" option, that makes copying very slow |
| 18:54.15 | nollidj | kqrdeb: you can change xorg.conf or run a command with setxkbmap to change your keyboard layout |
| 18:54.31 | kqrdeb | nollidj: ok, i'll look it up |
| 18:54.35 | nollidj | kqrdeb: gnome or kde may have a nice applet to change things, too |
| 18:54.39 | Arelis | hoxu, Well i won't let them bother me |
| 18:54.41 | holycow | jelly, oh really? well i'll be googling that, thank you! |
| 18:54.42 | jelly | holycow: you might be experiencing that. mount | grep ',sync' |
| 18:54.45 | nollidj | kqrdeb: i just pasted my xorg.conf for something unrelated, so here |
| 18:54.49 | hoxu | Arelis, :) |
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| 18:55.02 | tralala | Arelis, the percieved unfriendliness comes from the fact that many people expect easy answers but instead are getting pointers what to learn to get to the answers themselves |
| 18:55.05 | danand | hoxu - agree - ignore the grumpy's :P |
| 18:55.24 | nollidj | kqrdeb: http://rafb.net/p/216OND96.html <-- look in the keyboard sections for how i set up both us and russian keyboard layouts, switched between when i hit alt+shift |
| 18:55.40 | hoxu | tralala, also from the fact that there are occasional asshats who, instead of helping or shutting up, like to pour shit on people :P |
| 18:55.47 | amphi | sometimes I pine for mwilson ;) |
| 18:55.48 | kqrdeb | nollidj: hmm seems really interesting will absolutely take a look |
| 18:56.03 | Arelis | tralala, Alright. Well the fact also is that people don't want to fill up their head with information on how to set up their computer, instead of just use it. I personally don't have too many problems with it, but still like it more when i can just use my computer. |
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| 18:56.29 | nebM0ft | which command updates the module startup files in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 18:56.54 | danand | Arelis - #ubuntu is a friendly channel though - they're a bit more tolerant of noobs |
| 18:57.02 | tralala | Arelis, that's why I said that debian is more demanding. But also more powerful. |
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| 18:57.21 | danand | tralala - agreed |
| 18:57.26 | hoxu | Arelis, well, I think the advice you get here in general is more about teaching you how to learn to do it yourself, than just getting it done without understanding anything |
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| 18:57.42 | nebM0ft | tralala: only where everything agrees to work with you... :) |
| 18:58.13 | danand | Arelis - knowledge is power - learn - you may find all that useless info interesting :) |
| 18:58.38 | tralala | nebM0ft, only when you learn to make everything to agree with you |
| 18:58.54 | kqrdeb | nollidj: /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf <-- that one? |
| 18:59.03 | nebM0ft | tralala: luckily you dont have crappy hardware to deal with :) |
| 18:59.19 | nollidj | kqrdeb: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, i would expect... |
| 18:59.32 | kqrdeb | nollidj: yeah, sorry :P |
| 18:59.40 | tralala | nebM0ft, I do actually, but crappy hardware is hardly one of debian's weeknesses |
| 18:59.42 | nollidj | i would recommend changing things with setxkbmap first |
| 19:00.02 | nebM0ft | tralala: it is when you card is ati, and sound is hda-intel |
| 19:00.03 | nollidj | as that only affects the current X session, you can run it in ~/.Xsession or ~/.xinitrc instead of modifying the global xorg.conf |
| 19:00.18 | nebM0ft | linux in general actually |
| 19:00.28 | nollidj | makes it easier to experiment, too, as you can just run it from an xterm |
| 19:00.31 | nebM0ft | but most other distros have most recent drivers so it works there.. |
| 19:00.32 | kqrdeb | nollidj: can you explain that in an easier way? :) i'm about semi-new to linux ^^ |
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| 19:01.02 | nollidj | kqrdeb: it will take a little bit of talking. Have you read the manual page for setxkbmap ? |
| 19:01.26 | kqrdeb | not yet... i'm doing now :) |
| 19:01.28 | danand | kqrdeb - tut tut its GNU/Linux :P |
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| 19:01.49 | nollidj | danand: come now, some of us do run explorer.exe/linux ! |
| 19:01.50 | amphi | nebM0ft: hda-intel should work ok with recent alsa |
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| 19:03.13 | danand | nollidj - If RMStallman ever reads your last he'll probably explode into tears :) |
| 19:03.38 | nollidj | i guess i'll have to burn my IRC logs, then. it will be a small sacrifice for the greater good |
| 19:04.09 | nollidj | i've been meaning to train NLP programs and expert systems on them, but one day of conversations won't be missed |
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| 19:05.07 | danand | nollidj - too late - all irc is recorded - there are searchable conversations on google going back something like 20 odd years! |
| 19:05.39 | tuseroni | hm? |
| 19:05.41 | chops | Hm, http://www.open-iscsi.org/ says "Stable releases: not available yet." That leads me to believe that Linux's iSCSI support is not quite there yet... |
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| 19:07.29 | tuseroni | "device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)" anyone know what that means and how i can get my sound back? |
| 19:07.34 | kqrdeb_ | oh hi my laptop kind of overheated ^^ guess i've missed something vital? ^^ |
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| 19:08.22 | tuseroni | i was playing a video file when the computer froze up (i think its a hardware problem, happens randomly when i watch videos' totaly locks up) so i had to hard reboot, and now when i booted back up...the audio wasnt working anymore |
| 19:08.33 | xlotlu | hmm, something transformed my /dev/null into a regular file.. how weird is that? |
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| 19:09.18 | tuseroni | looks like a busy day for errors today.. |
| 19:09.43 | debian_ | jelly: tralala I agree, I rule:) |
| 19:10.13 | jelly | !gentoosmite debian_ |
| 19:10.54 | debian_ | And the open source open nVidia drivers said they wont be done before in two days. One if they got paid. |
| 19:11.00 | amphi | xlotlu: heh |
| 19:11.11 | xlotlu | tuseroni: it means your default alsa device points to somethhing that doesn't exist. clean your ~/.asoundrc |
| 19:11.14 | xlotlu | hey amphi |
| 19:11.15 | jelly | chops: there are other implementations of both iscsi targets and initiators. |
| 19:11.29 | Arelis | danand, Well i'd rather learn about other things than computers. I'm not an IT engineer, or anything close to that job. It isn't my job either. But i'd like that stability, and i'd like not to screw my pc up every time :P |
| 19:11.39 | chops | jelly: Yeah? I'll take a look, thanks |
| 19:11.41 | amphi | xlotlu: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-02-01 22:47 /dev/null FWIW |
| 19:11.58 | hoxu | Arelis, stability for what? :p |
| 19:12.04 | amphi | xlotlu: if you want to mknod it again |
| 19:12.09 | xlotlu | amphi: thanks, mknod-ed it already |
| 19:12.14 | tuseroni | xlot: i dont have a ~/.asoundrc folder |
| 19:12.29 | jelly | chops: linux-iscsi.sf.net |
| 19:12.36 | Arelis | hoxu, Well, i'd like a "bulletproof" OS. One that i can't screw up. because i screw up my own computer's OS all the time. |
| 19:12.48 | amphi | xlotlu: a strange occurrence though |
| 19:12.49 | hoxu | Arelis, no such thing exists |
| 19:12.52 | xlotlu | tuseroni: or /etc/asoundrc or something similar ... /etc/asound.state etc |
| 19:13.05 | Arelis | hoxu, people told me Mac OS is pretty close. |
| 19:13.21 | OlaX | Arelis: you could use a livecd |
| 19:13.31 | hoxu | !mac os |
| 19:13.31 | dpkg | mac os is, like, the mac operating systems between 1.0 and 9.2. versions 7.5+ were really easy to use, but very unstable. think windows 98, but better. (ask me about mac os x, which is different) |
| 19:13.42 | Arelis | !mac os x |
| 19:13.42 | dpkg | mac os x is, like, a bsd and nextstep based os from apple. these are mac os versions 10.0 to the current 10.3 (aka panther). a complete overhaul from previous versions of the mac os (1.0-9.2). really, really cool. |
| 19:13.43 | debian_ | Mac OS is made for less intelectual people... |
| 19:13.49 | chops | jelly: Hm, is there not a Debian package for the Linux-iSCSI daemon? |
| 19:13.50 | Daviey | :O |
| 19:13.51 | abrotman | this is NOT #macosx |
| 19:14.03 | streuner | !blairsmite debian_ |
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| 19:14.13 | amphi | haha |
| 19:14.30 | debian_ | streuner: The bot stopped speaking to me a while ago... |
| 19:14.42 | jelly | chops: you looking for a target or an initiator? |
| 19:14.48 | chops | jelly: An initiator |
| 19:14.56 | danand | Arelis - learn so you don't screw up!! It seems the more I know the more tempted I am to tweek... and the more I tend to then screw things up. But setting things right again... that teaches you more .... and so the process repeats again and again! |
| 19:15.01 | streuner | well, surely even bots arent able to talk you too... |
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| 19:15.25 | stiv2k | is it theoretically possible to copy a barcode? |
| 19:15.29 | kqrdeb_ | danand: hey you corrected me about GNU/Linux just now... what was the nick of the one who helped me? ^^ |
| 19:15.31 | jelly | chops: hm, looks like it's not there. Oh well |
| 19:15.37 | chops | stiv2k: Not only theoretically... |
| 19:15.42 | jelly | chops: but iscsitarget is! :-) |
| 19:15.43 | Arelis | danand, Yes, that's the problem. I've got some technical knowledge from installing Gentoo, and now i want to use a newbie OS but since i know some things from the inside-out, i screw things up all the time. I'm not sure if that's it though. |
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| 19:16.04 | Arelis | danand, (not only Gentoo, though. Lots of different stuff) |
| 19:16.10 | stiv2k | chops: like, are the numbers on the bottom significant, or corresponding to the bar patterns? |
| 19:16.14 | nollidj | kqrdeb_: you hanging in there? |
| 19:16.24 | chops | stiv2k: Usually the numbers on the bottom are a human-readable version of the bar code |
| 19:16.24 | stiv2k | chops: and how would you go about making a copy of one |
| 19:16.26 | danand | Arelis- :) At least I'm not the only one! |
| 19:16.32 | chops | stiv2k: With a copy machine? :-) |
| 19:16.32 | tuseroni | found a /var/lib/alsa/asound.state so...should i delete that file? |
| 19:16.36 | kqrdeb | nollidj: yes thanks... my laptop overheated and rebooted ^^ i did miss something vital? ^^ |
| 19:16.42 | Arelis | danand, so, what would be the best "cure"? |
| 19:16.45 | amphi | Arelis: no distro can protect itself from the blunderings of root ;) |
| 19:16.52 | hoxu | Arelis, so wait, what's your problem, why do you screw things up all the time? Do you need help getting your hands tied behind your back or what? |
| 19:16.53 | chops | stiv2k: I'm sure there is software that can OCR a bar code into what numbers are coded for via some of the popular systems |
| 19:16.55 | stiv2k | chops: so a simple like home scanner would be able to accurately copy it and the copy is scannable? |
| 19:17.01 | hoxu | Arelis, I think there was a command for that |
| 19:17.02 | tuseroni | i also have a /proc/asound folder |
| 19:17.18 | danand | Arelis - Install Vista - that way your hands are tied! |
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| 19:17.29 | chops | jelly: Hm, clvm can create logical LVM volumes on an iSCSI target; that looks a lot like what I want |
| 19:17.30 | stiv2k | chops: my latter usage of 'scannable' meaning like, scannable by the bar code reader |
| 19:17.30 | Arelis | hoxu, Well, i only screw my OWN computer up all the time. And i haven't found out yet what i really do to screw things up.. |
| 19:17.40 | chops | jelly: Since I'm using LVM |
| 19:17.43 | stiv2k | chops: and first useage of 'scanner' meaning like an image scanner |
| 19:17.44 | hoxu | Arelis, as suggested earlier, either boot from a livecd, or set up debian stable once, script it to delete/create your user account on reboot, and then lock the root account from being used |
| 19:17.55 | maddash | how do I set the number of tty's created at boot? |
| 19:17.55 | chops | stiv2k: Yeah, scan+print should be readable by a bar code scanner. |
| 19:18.01 | kqrdeb | nollidj: do you bear with me if i ask you to rewrite what was of importance? ;P |
| 19:18.04 | stiv2k | chops: wow... |
| 19:18.19 | stiv2k | chops: so tell me this |
| 19:18.29 | hoxu | Arelis, sounds like you might need professional counseling, sleepwalking is bad enough, but we can't really provide help with your sleep-configuring problem |
| 19:18.30 | Arelis | hoxu, what? then i won't be able to do anything! |
| 19:18.40 | Arelis | hoxu, it's not in my sleep :P |
| 19:18.44 | stiv2k | chops: wouldn't that be a major security hole if your apartment complex is installing security gates that let the residents in with barcode decals? |
| 19:18.56 | tuseroni | xlotlu, which one do i want? /proc/asound or /var/lib/alsa/asound.state and..shoudl i delete them? |
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| 19:19.02 | stiv2k | chops: since you could just copy someones barcode and then be able to drive in yourself |
| 19:19.04 | nollidj | kqrdeb: not yet, anyway. i suggest checking online for guides as to how to use setxkbmap. you probably want a command like `setxkbmap dvorak`, for starters. you can restart your X session to revert to your default keyboard layout |
| 19:19.16 | tuseroni | you said "clean" but i dont know if that means "delete" |
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| 19:19.23 | chops | stiv2k: Sounds like it |
| 19:19.29 | chops | stiv2k: Security in the real world is often quite bad |
| 19:19.37 | kqrdeb | nollidj: ok, i get it i think ^^ i'll take a look |
| 19:19.37 | stiv2k | chops: well thats exactly what they are doing here... |
| 19:19.54 | jelly | stiv2k: identity theft! |
| 19:19.58 | stiv2k | chops: i want to try it out to see if i can exploit it myself, then write a paper on it for english |
| 19:20.05 | stiv2k | :D |
| 19:20.10 | chops | stiv2k: Take care you don't get tossed in jail |
| 19:20.17 | stiv2k | yea |
| 19:20.18 | nollidj | kqrdeb: you can use a more complex command to have both dvorak and qwerty set up, with a hotkey to switch between them (if you're learning still). good luck! |
| 19:20.21 | stiv2k | is that illegal? |
| 19:20.35 | stiv2k | jelly: im not sure if they have a unique code for each resident or maybe just one bar code for everyone to use |
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| 19:20.49 | jelly | stiv2k: ask. |
| 19:20.52 | kqrdeb | nollidj: yeah, i'll look for something like that :) thanks for the help so far := |
| 19:20.55 | kqrdeb | :)* |
| 19:20.56 | chops | stiv2k: The building owners may think that it is, and the local police may be inclined to take their side |
| 19:20.59 | amphi | stiv2k: if you legitimately have a card, why should you not make a backup? ;) |
| 19:21.02 | stiv2k | jelly: ill just compare all the stickers when the system becomes active |
| 19:21.15 | amphi | stiv2k: scanning and printing it should be enough |
| 19:21.23 | chops | stiv2k: Regardless of what the actual law is |
| 19:21.25 | stiv2k | amphi: well they want to charge $200 to get a new decal if you lose/break yours |
| 19:21.34 | stiv2k | which sounds like BS |
| 19:21.50 | amphi | stiv2k: sounds like to time to move out while you still can |
| 19:21.54 | stiv2k | lol |
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| 19:22.38 | amphi | why would anyone live somewhere with such an absurd arrangement? |
| 19:23.02 | stiv2k | amphi: they just spent like $700,000 on it in a desperate attempt to curb crime |
| 19:23.12 | stiv2k | with all the home invasions and shit |
| 19:23.16 | jelly | stiv2k: it might be more than just a barcode. Could be a rfid or magnetic one, with barcode just being there for visual id of the card itself |
| 19:23.18 | tuseroni | bah... |
| 19:23.43 | xlotlu | tuseroni: you can do /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop; rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state ; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start |
| 19:23.50 | stiv2k | jelly: possibly, i need to check the papers again to see if it explains in more detail what it is, i havent picked mine up yet but i will soon |
| 19:23.59 | stiv2k | the system isnt active yet, they just installed it |
| 19:24.15 | xlotlu | tuseroni: then run alsamixer to set the volume (it might start muted) |
| 19:24.54 | amphi | stiv2k: where is this? sounds like somewhere well worth leaving |
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| 19:25.33 | tuseroni | no such luck |
| 19:25.44 | stiv2k | amphi: pegasus landing university affiliated housing orlando, FL |
| 19:26.06 | noob | any suggestions on how to integrate commerce into a facebook app? |
| 19:26.08 | stiv2k | it sounds like its just barcode, |
| 19:26.21 | cesar_CR | hello, anyone with experience installing debian on Sun Netra ???? |
| 19:26.30 | stiv2k | the instructions say to place it on the outside because the reader will not work reliably through glass |
| 19:26.33 | simonrvn | noob: does it look like #facebook here? |
| 19:26.38 | tuseroni | it still gives the same error and alsamixer doesnt realy do anything |
| 19:27.05 | noob | simonrvn: k |
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| 19:27.11 | tuseroni | it has "Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x8ad" |
| 19:27.13 | stiv2k | amphi: http://www2.collegeparkweb.com/ws/html/pegasuslanding/default.htm |
| 19:27.19 | tuseroni | instead of the real card |
| 19:27.34 | tuseroni | my kmix starts with that same thing...i dont know why... |
| 19:28.06 | jetscreamer | !blame the debian_ dude |
| 19:28.07 | tuseroni | alsamixer accepts no inputs either, except esc... |
| 19:28.26 | xlotlu | tuseroni: you just upgraded your kernel? |
| 19:28.35 | tuseroni | not recently |
| 19:28.48 | debian_ | What is the open source equilent of windows home server? |
| 19:28.50 | tuseroni | the sound system was working fine til i rebooted |
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| 19:29.09 | jetscreamer | the open source equiv of ms hs is debian |
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| 19:29.51 | tuseroni | i was playing a video in debian, the system locked up, i had to hard reboot, and now the sound system isnt working |
| 19:30.00 | tuseroni | er, in mplayer i mean |
| 19:30.07 | xlotlu | tuseroni: pastebin somewhere cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 19:32.00 | ksool | Is there any configuration I can set so that I don't have to depmod and modprobe all my modules after reboot? |
| 19:32.30 | amphi | ksool: you can add the module names to /etc/modprobe |
| 19:32.39 | amphi | ksool: er, /etc/modules |
| 19:32.42 | ksool | Do I need to add any of their path information? |
| 19:32.55 | jetscreamer | modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 19:32.58 | jetscreamer | just the name |
| 19:33.04 | ksool | Thanks all, will try. |
| 19:33.20 | tuseroni | xlotlu: http://pastebin.ca/892907 |
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| 19:33.41 | debian_ | jetscreamer: I want a someting with ms home server features... |
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| 19:34.27 | amphi | debian_: what are these 'features'? |
| 19:34.31 | ksool | amphi, So that tried to force the modules to load, but then I got "FATAL: Module * not found." |
| 19:34.36 | jelly | debian_: we don't know what a ms home server does. |
| 19:34.38 | jetscreamer | debian_: just install them? |
| 19:34.57 | xlotlu | tuseroni: what about alsamixer -c 1 |
| 19:35.03 | jetscreamer | ksool: module * ?? |
| 19:35.14 | amphi | ksool: module * ? |
| 19:35.18 | ksool | jetscreamer, it's openafs, autofs4, and psmouse. |
| 19:35.18 | amphi | heh |
| 19:35.27 | jelly | debian_: it's very likely you'll have to install a number of packages and configure them to get an equivalent featureset |
| 19:35.29 | jetscreamer | you need to enumerate them |
| 19:35.32 | jetscreamer | individually |
| 19:35.38 | jetscreamer | put all there names, not * |
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| 19:35.46 | ksool | I did. What I meant was that I get that messages for each of the modules I added. |
| 19:36.00 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep psmouse |
| 19:36.08 | debian_ | I dont either know what an ms home server does... But can I configure samba with a gui? in haf an houre? as an primary domain controller? |
| 19:36.15 | ksool | jetscreamer, empty. |
| 19:36.21 | jetscreamer | debian_: if you're not an idiot |
| 19:36.30 | tuseroni | ok, that gives a thing, and i can adjust it...but i still havent any sound |
| 19:36.32 | jelly | ksool: does "modinfo autofs4" return anything? |
| 19:36.32 | jetscreamer | which you are kinda starting to look like |
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| 19:36.57 | xlotlu | tuseroni: looks like that usb audio device, whatever it is, has registered as audio card 0, and everything else uses it as the default device |
| 19:37.01 | kqrdeb | nollidj: heh, i took the lazy way around and just edited the xorg.conf... wanted to try ^^ it seems to work exstraordinarily well :) |
| 19:37.10 | ksool | jelly, "FATAL: Module autofs4 not found." |
| 19:37.13 | tuseroni | how do i make it go away? |
| 19:37.14 | nollidj | kqrdeb: sounds good. have fun! |
| 19:37.19 | jelly | ksool: uname -r? |
| 19:37.26 | ksool | jelly, I generally need to run a modprobe to get any of them to run, but it won't stick after a reboot. |
| 19:37.29 | kqrdeb | nollidj: thanks :) |
| 19:37.37 | ksool | jelly 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:37.55 | nollidj | huh... did modconf go away in some previous version? |
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| 19:38.06 | xlotlu | tuseroni: you'll need to go read a bit about alsa to see what to write in modprobe.d to make the via card get registered as card 0 |
| 19:38.21 | jetscreamer | nollidj: it quit getting installed by default, apt-get install it |
| 19:38.21 | jelly | ksool: modinfo ought to work, something's weird |
| 19:38.34 | jelly | ksool: run depmod -a |
| 19:38.44 | tuseroni | hmm wonder if it has to do with this webcam i had plugged into the usb port |
| 19:39.03 | dotCOMmie | Is there a debian document on user/group id conventions? |
| 19:39.14 | jetscreamer | hola my_cat |
| 19:39.18 | jelly | ksool: (as root, naturally) |
| 19:39.23 | tuseroni | when i unpluged it just using alsamixer didnt work |
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| 19:39.49 | ksool | jelly, worked. Inserted psmouse without complaint. |
| 19:40.01 | stumped | general pastebin - miscellany - post number 892907 |
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| 19:40.12 | tuseroni | yeah its gone now, but that one is still 0....maybe a reboot of kde will fix it, or a general computer reboot |
| 19:40.14 | jetscreamer | debian_: try smb4k |
| 19:40.21 | xlotlu | tuseroni: that makes sense. the usb webcam gets registered as audio device because it maybe has a mic... |
| 19:40.36 | jelly | ksool: ok, try rebooting now and see if loading via /etc/modules works |
| 19:40.41 | tuseroni | alright, im going to try that, thanks you xlotlu for all the help |
| 19:40.50 | xlotlu | tuseroni: just do the alsa-sound stop; rm trick again; no need to reboot |
| 19:41.30 | jelly | ksool: depmod -a is usually done at boot time, but it seems something went wrong at your place |
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| 19:41.35 | tuseroni | nah that one doesnt work, it still registers as 1 instead of 0 |
| 19:41.36 | d0uglas | hi. i'm serving on 384Kb outgoing dsl and i set up roundcube for email which I love. Before I unveil it to my company to get them to let me manage email, I'd like to say "it's encrypted" but i'm concerned that ssl will add a lot of latency. Will it? Bandwidth-wise, the server itself is a fast machine with little use. |
| 19:41.40 | ksool | jelly, alright. Works now. Thanks |
| 19:41.42 | xlotlu | and now... how does an ext-3 fs get corrupted by just sitting there? ext3_delete_entry: bad entry in directory #221577: inode out of bounds |
| 19:42.18 | jelly | xlotlu: bad hardware |
| 19:42.31 | simonrvn | @wb zinx |
| 19:42.32 | ravenbird | Welcome back zinx, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chalk. |
| 19:42.46 | tomaw | !test |
| 19:42.46 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:42.48 | stumped | I don't know anything about test |
| 19:42.55 | xlotlu | jelly: my brand new mobo, memory, cpu and hdd being bad gardware... that would rather suck :) |
| 19:42.57 | jelly | xlotlu: or a known or unknown bug. is the fs larger than 2TB? |
| 19:42.59 | d0uglas | by bandwidth-wise i meant will ssl affect latency in terms of data overhead not processor load |
| 19:43.14 | simonrvn | stray bot i see |
| 19:43.20 | xlotlu | jelly: nope. but it is in lvm under raid1.. |
| 19:43.31 | jelly | xlotlu: yes. hardware usually fails in the first week |
| 19:43.32 | tomaw | simonrvn: yeah, it was in a few channels. |
| 19:43.38 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 19:43.45 | FiendishFish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.29 | jelly | xlotlu: or first month or so... it could be a lvm bug I guess, I have no experience with that subsystem |
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| 19:45.13 | d0uglas | The SSL handshake - the limiting factor tends to be on the client side (his processor specifically) and not on bandwidth? |
| 19:45.41 | simonrvn | the handshake? both cpus |
| 19:45.47 | xlotlu | i'd rather go about blaming ext3.. |
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| 19:46.18 | hanibal | hello |
| 19:46.34 | d0uglas | simonrvn: okay, but after the handshake, it's (relatively) smooth-sailing, only 100 extra bytes per packet give or take, right? |
| 19:46.42 | hanibal | could anybody tell me how to install compiz-fusion in etch? |
| 19:46.46 | DawnLight | i've fought a great battle getting a certain wi-fi device working in etch. is there a specific place in the debian wiki where i can share? |
| 19:46.59 | jelly | xlotlu: I've been using ext3 since 2.2.18 + ext3 0.0.3 and it was only very buggy in 0.0.3d version ;-) |
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| 19:47.02 | debian_ | I need to reconfigure samba, how? |
| 19:47.19 | simonrvn | d0uglas: well yeh, but you gotta count the bit extra time to encrypt/decrypt, but pretty much |
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| 19:47.26 | d0uglas | in other words getting a t1 won't make much of a difference for webmailing on ssl |
| 19:47.29 | simonrvn | bit of |
| 19:47.34 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:47.43 | xlotlu | jelly: if i start talking about my experiences with ext3 it will sound like flamebait :) |
| 19:47.48 | d0uglas | okay cool thank you simon |
| 19:47.55 | jetscreamer | jfs > * |
| 19:47.58 | jelly | xlotlu: I've never used lvm, though. |
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| 19:48.17 | jetscreamer | debian_: you just edit the smb.conf |
| 19:48.26 | amphi | hanibal: there are unofficial packages for etch, but you will have to configure it with gconf-editor *shudder* |
| 19:48.30 | jelly | xlotlu: can't say anything bad about md raid1 either :-) |
| 19:48.38 | Malf | FiendishFish: I think there's a xtightvncviewer or something like that but I don't know that it'll work much better if the other two you mentioned are crashing |
| 19:48.39 | d0uglas | simonrvn: what about lowering the level of encryption, would that help? |
| 19:48.42 | simonrvn | d0uglas: sometimes people split UI from actual sensitive data, i.e. images and css from say those emails or password |
| 19:48.43 | Legality | Is anyone using sw-raid with debian here? We're experiencing superb slowness with it, for example rm command might get the whole server down if it's run to a large folder |
| 19:48.44 | amphi | hanibal: I would upgrade to testing if you want to run compiz-fusion |
| 19:48.57 | hanibal | really? |
| 19:48.59 | simonrvn | d0uglas: only in making MitM attacks ;) |
| 19:49.06 | jelly | Legality: raid5? |
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| 19:49.11 | xlotlu | what was that file that causes an ext2/3 get checked at boot? |
| 19:49.12 | hanibal | I don't want to |
| 19:49.15 | Legality | jelly: just 2 hdd's |
| 19:49.25 | Legality | so raid1 i guess :D |
| 19:49.29 | jetscreamer | /forcefsck xlotlu |
| 19:49.34 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 19:49.34 | xlotlu | thanks |
| 19:49.37 | jelly | Legality: it shouldn't be much slower than a single disk. |
| 19:49.41 | debian_ | jetscreamer: Where? |
| 19:49.43 | Legality | hmmh |
| 19:49.45 | amphi | hanibal: debian packages of compiz-fusion for sid, testing, and stable are at http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
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| 19:49.56 | jetscreamer | debian_: i forget.. /etc/samba i think |
| 19:49.59 | hanibal | amphi: thank you |
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| 19:50.05 | d0uglas | well for now this isn't about security it's about the appearance of security.. sort of like the bush administration model |
| 19:50.09 | jelly | Legality: how/where are your two disks connected? |
| 19:50.18 | Legality | jelly: I tested the hdd's reading speeds with hdparm and it seemed to be normal. SATA2 |
| 19:50.20 | amphi | hanibal: you won't like gconf-editor ;) |
| 19:50.21 | hanibal | amphi: could I destroy my system by installing compiz-fusin? |
| 19:50.36 | jetscreamer | hanibal: not really |
| 19:50.40 | hanibal | amphi: is it like regedit in windows? |
| 19:50.45 | jelly | Legality: pastebin /proc/mdstat |
| 19:50.55 | simonrvn | d0uglas: hehe; the 128+ bit encryption doesn't add much overhead, esp. for h/w produced in the last 8 years |
| 19:50.56 | jetscreamer | hanibal: maybe x wouldn't start until you fix it at worst |
| 19:51.01 | jelly | Legality: oh, sorry. md or lvm raid? |
| 19:51.02 | amphi | hanibal: not if you don't enable the 'halt & catch fire' plugin |
| 19:51.15 | Legality | jelly: I think md, lemme try |
| 19:51.52 | hanibal | amphi: what is the 'halt & catch fire' plugin? |
| 19:52.01 | Malf | hanibal: Though that plugin does promise 'blazing' fast speeds |
| 19:52.05 | d0uglas | weird question: can i run apache on 443 and have people access a link with https:// without the data coming up garbled? in otherwords, does the s in https tell browser to expect encrypted data or can it work as a symbolic link (sort of) to :443? |
| 19:52.30 | d0uglas | no handshake, no encryption, just the s |
| 19:52.38 | hanibal | Malf: soory, I did not understand you |
| 19:52.51 | hanibal | Malf: what did you mean? |
| 19:52.53 | Malf | hanibal: Making a terrible joke. Sorry. |
| 19:53.11 | simonrvn | d0uglas: it *is* the protocol; client and server will expect certain things on the default port |
| 19:53.14 | Legality | jelly: http://pastebin.org/18307 |
| 19:53.26 | simonrvn | if you don't want encryption don't use it |
| 19:53.55 | hanibal | Malf: Sorry, I do not understand your humor |
| 19:53.57 | muszek_ | hi |
| 19:54.21 | davidwong | I did a new install on latest debian. by default is ssh enable? because I cannot ssh in. anyone know how to enable it ? |
| 19:54.22 | hanibal | Malf: what does that mean: 'Though that plugin does promise 'blazing' fast speeds' |
| 19:54.26 | Malf | hanibal: That's alright. Most people do not. Even I don't quite understand it sometimes. |
| 19:54.50 | d0uglas | on another subject, for the purposes of a webmail client only, is sqlite the way to go over my and postgresql for lower latency? |
| 19:54.53 | Malf | hanibal: I was making a joke about the 'hal & catch fire' plugin amphi mentioned. |
| 19:54.53 | jelly | Legality: it looks fine. how large are your files? how many files in the same directory? |
| 19:55.13 | Malf | hanibal: 'halt & catch fire' rather.. |
| 19:55.13 | hanibal | Malf: I did not understan, becorse I am german, my english is not such good, could su discribe? |
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| 19:55.53 | muszek_ | I'm on sarge and have 2 releases of bzr in repos (0.11-1.1 and 1.1~rc1-1~bpo31+1 in backports), but can't figure out how to tell apt-get to use the one from backports... can someone please help me? |
| 19:56.16 | jelly | Malf: sounds like your joke fizzled. |
| 19:56.29 | Malf | jelly: seems that way |
| 19:56.46 | Legality | jelly: they are full system backups, so there's quite a lot of files. The thing that made me wonder was that we have a server with same specs but without sw-raid(and it has much more data) and it does the same full system backup 3 times faster than this other server with sw-raid |
| 19:57.00 | Legality | and it has no probs running rm either |
| 19:57.01 | muszek_ | I tried: 1. apt-get install -t backports bzr; 2. apt-get install -t '1.1*' bzr... but 0.11 is installed in both cases |
| 19:57.05 | hanibal | Malf: is 'halt & catch fire' the joke? Or, when not, what is this plugin usefull fore? |
| 19:57.24 | xlotlu | muszek_: you probably want to pin it. man apt_preferences |
| 19:57.33 | d0uglas | i got four hard drives now, want to have two pairs, one mirroring the other, so i'd double-up on space with one layer of redundancy. That's raid1, right? any reason to use lvm over raid? And can I get raided-up without having to reformat and start from scratch? |
| 19:57.53 | Legality | and for some reason the server with sw-raid uses a lot of swap space, when the server with sw-raid uses none |
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| 19:58.17 | jelly | Legality: does it have less memory? :-) |
| 19:58.25 | muszek_ | xlotlu: I'm pretty sure I've installed packages with backports with plain apt-get command... why would I need to mess with preferences now? (I'm curious) |
| 19:58.29 | Malf | hanibal: Yeah. That is the joke. There's no plugin called that. The joke is that a plugin with that name would probably turn off your computer and set it on fire. |
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| 19:58.54 | Legality | jelly: same specs :) |
| 19:59.07 | badcfe | Malf: do you know about the plug-in thats named "am-i-plugged-in" |
| 19:59.08 | jelly | Legality: same OS? Same kernel? |
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| 19:59.23 | Legality | same |
| 19:59.24 | jelly | Legality: does the kernel see all the memory? |
| 19:59.24 | Malf | badcfe: Afraid not. |
| 19:59.24 | badcfe | Malf: it checks whether its plugged-in or not |
| 19:59.31 | Legality | jelly, not sure |
| 19:59.35 | Legality | how to check it? |
| 19:59.36 | Malf | badcfe: Excellent. |
| 19:59.37 | jelly | free |
| 19:59.50 | Legality | one sec jelly |
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| 20:00.15 | debian_ | How do I start samba? |
| 20:00.16 | badcfe | Malf: thats like the program that checks (in the bios and using sophisticated means) wether the computer is currently on or off |
| 20:00.33 | Malf | badcfe: Yeah I need to get that running. |
| 20:00.42 | hanibal | Malf: OH, shame on me, why had I not used Google translater |
| 20:00.49 | Malf | badcfe: Otherwise my computer is trapped in an unknown state |
| 20:00.53 | jelly | badcfe: you might be joking, but our servers can do that. |
| 20:00.55 | xlotlu | muszek_: because -t means target release. which should be the same from both repos (e.g. etch). in the past it worked because the backports packages had a higher version, thus higher priority |
| 20:00.59 | Malf | hanibal: hah. Not a big deal. |
| 20:01.20 | Legality | jelly: here's the comparison on free -m: http://pastebin.org/18309 |
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| 20:01.45 | xlotlu | muszek_: ah, nvm. the backports target release is 'etch-backports' <-- that's what you needed |
| 20:01.56 | muszek_ | xlotlu: thank you |
| 20:02.00 | jelly | badcfe: </>hpiLO-> power\n power: server power is currently: On |
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| 20:02.42 | hanibal | Malf: yeah |
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| 20:03.13 | jelly | Legality: something has indeed taken a gig of RAM and doesn't give it back. top; press capital M |
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| 20:03.46 | chops | How do I display a man page in plain text again? |
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| 20:03.53 | chops | I thought it was 'man -c', but 'man man' tells me not to do that |
| 20:04.06 | muszek_ | xlotlu: sweet, -t sarge-backports worked. thank you! |
| 20:04.47 | Legality | jelly: what should I look for from there? |
| 20:04.47 | Arrick | hey, if i have a directory that is full of .wma files, and the names are long, how do I go about moving them all to a directory on debian? |
| 20:04.47 | Arrick | (I dont want them converted, they are backups) |
| 20:04.47 | xlotlu | muszek_: welcome, but it's on the backports webpage, you know? :) |
| 20:04.47 | Arrick | it stops after a couple of folders |
| 20:04.47 | jelly | Legality: something that uses (a lot) more memory than on the fast server |
| 20:05.24 | Legality | jelly, there isn't really anything :> |
| 20:05.26 | Legality | one sec |
| 20:05.31 | jelly | Legality: RES and VIRT columns |
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| 20:05.39 | Arrick | actually, how do i copy a directory and *everything* without it changing anything on the files? |
| 20:05.41 | jelly | Legality: RES mainly. |
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| 20:07.28 | muszek_ | xlotlu: I'd never think to look there ;). |
| 20:07.28 | \amethyst | Arrick: cp -a |
| 20:07.40 | xlotlu | heh |
| 20:07.40 | Legality | jelly: check pm quickly |
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| 20:07.55 | Arrick | thanks |
| 20:08.02 | nollidj | Arrick: man cp. check out -a and -p flags. or, tar cf - . | tar -C /destination/dir -f - |
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| 20:08.38 | Legality | jelly: I only noticed that in the end of the column there are amavis etc that seem to have high values in RES |
| 20:08.41 | akuwamari | how can i disable esd so it don't load every time i start gnome ? |
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| 20:09.00 | Arrick | nollidj, how do i make it so that it pauses between screens so i can actually read it? |
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| 20:09.29 | akuwamari | screens of console? |
| 20:09.36 | cizzi | is the linux journal a good magazine to subscribe to? |
| 20:09.38 | xlotlu | meh, installing from cd is is silly when fetching from the mirror is faster than waiting for the cd to spin-up |
| 20:09.39 | cizzi | or not worth it |
| 20:09.48 | Arrick | yes akuwamari |
| 20:09.50 | davidwong | by default do the lastest debian stable version have a build in IPVS kernel support? if so what is the command to find out? |
| 20:09.59 | akuwamari | for example ls -l | more |
| 20:10.00 | Arrick | it posts it all at once and i cant read but the last 20 lines or so |
| 20:10.11 | akuwamari | use pipe and more |
| 20:10.30 | jetscreamer | less > more |
| 20:10.38 | Arrick | so, man cp pipe? |
| 20:10.40 | jelly | Legality: use the channel, please, to help if someone else wants to jump in. In any case, your machines seem to run mail, antivirus/antispam, and web services, possibly with different apps from end-users. There could be any number of reasons why one is slower. |
| 20:10.45 | jetscreamer | ls -l | less |
| 20:10.48 | Arrick | or what is the syntax? |
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| 20:11.00 | Arrick | jetscreamer, where does man cp come in? |
| 20:11.03 | Legality | jelly: sry |
| 20:11.17 | Legality | jelly: but there were no apparent reason for the high mem usage? |
| 20:11.39 | jetscreamer | Arrick: cp -a |
| 20:11.41 | jelly | Legality: I've seen all of: mysql, apache and amavisd-new hog the resources, for various reasons. |
| 20:11.47 | Legality | ok |
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| 20:12.00 | jelly | Legality: you'll have to investigate more closely, I'm afraid |
| 20:12.06 | Legality | ok, thanks anyway |
| 20:12.13 | Legality | I might try a reboot tonight |
| 20:12.33 | Legality | it has been up for over 100 days so it hurts a bit to reboot but i think it's worth of a try :> |
| 20:13.09 | jelly | it only hurts if the users don't get an advance notice and nag afterwards :-) |
| 20:13.17 | danand | Arrick - the man command displays info about the given command - ie man ls will give you info about the ls command. man cp - info about the cp command and so on |
| 20:13.22 | chops | Legality: There have been security upgrades to the kernel since 100 days ago |
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| 20:13.46 | Legality | jelly: 2 of minutes downtime on the early am hours isn't gonna hurt anyone i hope |
| 20:13.48 | Legality | :> |
| 20:13.49 | chops | Legality: The days of large uptime being cause for celebration came to a close with organized kernel security advisories :-) |
| 20:13.53 | Arrick | right danand however, if i can only read the last 20 lines of text in that man, I dont see how I can read the man |
| 20:14.04 | Arrick | I was asking how to make it so I can read a screen of text at a time |
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| 20:14.16 | xingu | chops: one day, we'll have live patching ;) |
| 20:14.18 | Legality | chops: :> |
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| 20:14.27 | jelly | Legality: if you have quota and/or forgot to tune2fs -c0 -i0, that 2 min can easily turn into 20 |
| 20:14.33 | chops | xingu: Heh |
| 20:14.37 | raboof | should epiphany be pulling ~30% cpu while sitting still showing debian.org? |
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| 20:15.15 | danand | Arrick - use the up and down arrows on your keyboard to scroll through the man page |
| 20:15.28 | Legality | chops: I have learned that I should never try to fix something which isn't broken. Of course a very important security update is always worth it but still. I'm very carefull with any updates or changes |
| 20:15.34 | Legality | .... with a production server |
| 20:15.35 | jelly | Legality: oh - running mysql and web off the same partition (or the same disk) is not a very good idea. Hell, having a 300GB ext3 will result in quite long fsck time. |
| 20:15.37 | Arrick | it scrolls through the last commands I ran danand |
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| 20:15.41 | Arrick | not the text |
| 20:16.03 | Arrick | like "man cp" doesnt open a file, it scrolls the info, then its done |
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| 20:16.12 | chops | Arrick: Check your $PAGER variable |
| 20:16.13 | Arrick | but jetscreamer told me how, thanks anyways |
| 20:16.31 | Legality | jelly: Theres a lot of data which is not being used. We need to remove those but we cant use rm atm because it hicks up the server totally |
| 20:16.38 | danand | Arrick - ok :) |
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| 20:17.08 | jelly | Legality: did you install etch from scratch? your ext3 might be unoptimized. |
| 20:17.18 | chops | Legality: I would never think of avoiding security updates on production servers... I have 4 servers which are still missing the most recent etch update... but that's only because I've not got a convenient time to reboot them all yet. Thinking that avoiding the security updates isn't "broken" is... ill-considered. |
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| 20:17.44 | `Abo | how do I see what CPU I have on a compute and how much memory? |
| 20:18.10 | Legality | jelly: I used the automated installation from our ISP |
| 20:18.15 | jelly | Legality: (and by that, I mean missing -O dir_index, which means a lot when accessing directories with more than say 1000 entries) |
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| 20:18.52 | chops | `Abo: cat /proc/cpuinfo; cat /proc/meminfo |
| 20:19.06 | davidwong | whats the command to see if i'm running sarge or not>? |
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| 20:22.06 | xingu | Legality: can you pastebin /proc/mounts from both systems? |
| 20:22.22 | jelly | Legality: you'll need to use the usual tools to figure out what happens when the machine gets clogged. vmstat can show you whether there is swapping, waiting for i/o (disk). iostat can show more detailed disk data. something like mytop to see if there are suspicious mysql queries when it eats cpu, etc. |
| 20:22.30 | expose | Grub installation failed on the live cd. Booted a rescue cd, mounted root, dev and proc, chrooted, ran grub-install which failed with "/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 20:22.55 | expose | then i deleted /boot/grub/*, reinstalled grub and memtest86+, retried grub-install, same error |
| 20:22.57 | expose | suggestions? |
| 20:23.29 | jelly | expose: does that file exist? |
| 20:23.34 | expose | yes. |
| 20:23.41 | expose | contains binary data of some kind |
| 20:23.48 | xingu | Legality: also /proc/scsi/scsi from both systems |
| 20:24.08 | jetscreamer | you have to mount proc and something else, expose |
| 20:24.14 | jetscreamer | if you chroot in |
| 20:24.15 | jelly | expose: is it 512 bytes long? also, lsattr /boot/grub/stage |
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| 20:24.34 | jetscreamer | and the hd0 scheme will change depending on where it booted from |
| 20:24.55 | jelly | expose: did you bind-mount /dev into the chroot (if the livecd uses udev)? |
| 20:25.09 | jelly | oh, you did |
| 20:25.33 | expose | jelly: lsattr prints a couple of "-"s and the size is less than 4kb (how can i measure it more precisely?) |
| 20:25.34 | Legality | xingu: http://pastebin.org/18314 |
| 20:25.44 | expose | dd of=/dev/null maybe |
| 20:25.50 | jelly | expose: ls -l ought to show the size in bytes :-) |
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| 20:26.19 | expose | dd if stage1 of dev null bs=1 says 512 bytes :-) |
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| 20:27.11 | isleshocky77 | Where is the best place to get help with LDAP. I have slapd and phpldapadmin setup and working. And I can do an ldapsearch from a remote machine and pull the info from the ldap server. But none of the info is showing up in apple addressbook, outlook, or outlook express. |
| 20:27.17 | jelly | expose: what's wrong with ls -l? |
| 20:27.28 | expose | didnt think of it |
| 20:27.44 | expose | had dd type when you told me already |
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| 20:28.10 | Legality | xingu: any weid there? |
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| 20:28.16 | xingu | Legality: is that /proc/mounts correct for the slow server? it looks like your md0/md1 devices aren't mounted? |
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| 20:28.55 | jelly | expose: /usr/sbin/grub-install or /sbin/grub-install? I'm clutching at straws here... |
| 20:29.09 | porkpie | hi guy's .... can anyone help me with a logrotate issue |
| 20:29.21 | porkpie | I can get the syslog to rotate ? |
| 20:29.24 | porkpie | :S |
| 20:29.31 | porkpie | :( |
| 20:29.32 | Legality | xingu: that's what the system gave me, could it have anything to do with sw-raid being on? |
| 20:29.36 | chops | porkpie: syslog rotates by default on Debian installations |
| 20:29.44 | porkpie | hi chops |
| 20:29.50 | porkpie | not on this one :S |
| 20:30.08 | xingu | Legality: maybe try output from "mount" instead? |
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| 20:30.11 | Legality | xingu: I think it shows that because the slower server is using SW-raid(raid1) |
| 20:30.14 | expose | jelly: usr sbin grub-install |
| 20:30.44 | Tramp | porkpie: syslog-logs are not rotated through logrotate but through a daily cronjob |
| 20:30.44 | xingu | Legality: I was hoping that /proc/mounts would be kept current regardless |
| 20:31.09 | porkpie | Tramp:let me check the daily |
| 20:31.16 | Legality | xingu: http://pastebin.org/18317 |
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| 20:31.42 | chops | porkpie: Ah yes, /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 20:32.20 | xingu | Legality: hmm, well that all looks about right, was just checking for obvious things like mismatched spindles or ext3 mount opts varying wildly |
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| 20:32.58 | Legality | xingu: everything ok in those then eh? |
| 20:33.03 | xingu | Legality: jelly's right, next thing to do is get some solid numbers from vmstat or iostat showing/covering the high latency - ie the rm |
| 20:33.05 | porkpie | Tramp:just ran it manually can got this [: 35: /var/log/daemon.log: unexpected operator |
| 20:33.05 | porkpie | [: 35: /var/log/syslog: unexpected operator |
| 20:33.05 | porkpie | [: 35: /var/log/debug: unexpected operator |
| 20:33.06 | porkpie | [: 35: /var/log/auth.log: unexpected operator |
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| 20:33.08 | xingu | Legality: afk for a while |
| 20:33.21 | jelly | Legality: do dumpe2fs -h /dev/md1 |grep features on the slow and /dev/sda2 on the fast one look different? |
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| 20:33.30 | porkpie | sorry guys |
| 20:33.41 | porkpie | it should have only been 1 line |
| 20:33.47 | porkpie | :( |
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| 20:33.54 | Tramp | porkpie: which version of Debian is that? |
| 20:34.07 | jelly | expose: ran out of ideas, sorry |
| 20:34.35 | porkpie | Tramp:actually it's ubuntu ..... I know it's wrong to ask here but I cannot get in to the ubuntu channel |
| 20:34.49 | chops | porkpie: Ah |
| 20:34.54 | \amethyst | porkpie: could you pastebin that file somewhere? |
| 20:34.57 | chops | porkpie: That would explain why there's not a bug in the Debian BTS |
| 20:35.12 | \amethyst | actually, never mind |
| 20:35.28 | chops | porkpie: Try #redhat |
| 20:35.28 | \amethyst | I have no interest in debugging a broken ubuntu shell script |
| 20:35.39 | Legality | jelly: http://pastebin.org/18319 |
| 20:35.58 | Legality | a bit different on features |
| 20:36.00 | porkpie | \amethyst:OK |
| 20:36.08 | jelly | Legality: Ha! I didn't expect that one. |
| 20:36.16 | Legality | ? |
| 20:36.41 | jelly | Legality: the slower one has the dir_index feature that makes directories-with-lots-of-files go faster :-) |
| 20:36.56 | isleshocky77 | No one around knows anything about LDAP, huh? |
| 20:37.05 | Legality | faster? :D |
| 20:37.12 | jelly | Legality: yes |
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| 20:37.37 | Legality | well,, I prolly gotta try to check what happens during the rm process with vmstat |
| 20:37.52 | jelly | Legality: faster access of directory entries; they're stored in a hash/btree instead of a linear list |
| 20:38.05 | expose | jelly: md5sum stage1 --> ...6117e54 |
| 20:38.18 | expose | jelly: can you check that? |
| 20:38.22 | jelly | Legality: you could run vmstat 1 for say 10-20 seconds and pastebin |
| 20:39.02 | jelly | Legality: constant non-zero b column indicates disk is overloaded |
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| 20:39.10 | factotum | anyone give desktop publishing a go with what gnu has to offer with apps? I've been thinking about messing around and really like gimp and inkscape a lot still havent messed with scribus yet |
| 20:39.25 | jelly | expose: checks out |
| 20:39.30 | Legality | jelly: running it |
| 20:39.52 | jelly | expose: so it's not the file per se that is the problem |
| 20:40.28 | expose | jelly: wierd |
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| 20:41.16 | Legality | jelly: http://pastebin.org/18320 |
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| 20:41.47 | abrotman | factotum: scribus and uhm .. i forget the other |
| 20:41.53 | oomii | hey all... im having a real hard time finding a working php-cgi init script... anyone have experience with this |
| 20:41.55 | abrotman | factotum: oh .. inkskape :)- |
| 20:41.58 | abrotman | scape |
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| 20:42.05 | abrotman | factotum: but scribus is impressive IMO |
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| 20:43.00 | valdyn | you're looking for latex |
| 20:43.05 | jetscreamer | !info xaralx |
| 20:43.08 | dpkg | xaralx: (Heavyweight vector graphics, illustration and DTP Program), section non-free/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.7r1692-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4783 kB, Installed size: 11820 kB |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | that's not really for desktop publishing |
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| 20:43.33 | valdyn | true |
| 20:43.40 | Legality | jelly: is the vmstat showing anything else abnormal than a badly overloaded hdd? |
| 20:43.44 | sco50000 | is it possible to mount ftp as a folder? |
| 20:43.45 | abrotman | jetscreamer: http://www.scribus.net/ |
| 20:43.58 | jetscreamer | !folder |
| 20:43.58 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:43.58 | jelly | Legality: gross. wait% goes to 100% as soon as even a single process accesses the disk |
| 20:43.59 | valdyn | sco50000: sure |
| 20:44.00 | abrotman | sco50000: ftpfs |
| 20:44.09 | sco50000 | ok, thanks |
| 20:44.12 | valdyn | sco50000: ftp is no good solution for anything though.. |
| 20:44.13 | abrotman | nevermind its complete and total lack of security :) |
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| 20:44.51 | sco50000 | and sorry about the folder thing... been with M$ for too long |
| 20:44.52 | Legality | jelly: yea, any idea what could cause it? |
| 20:44.59 | amphi | !ftp must die |
| 20:44.59 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 20:45.23 | Optic | i agree! |
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| 20:45.46 | sco50000 | amphi: that link is broken, at least from here it is |
| 20:45.51 | jelly | Legality: ran SMART tests on the disks lately? :-) |
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| 20:46.01 | Optic | link doesn't work here either |
| 20:46.02 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 20:46.02 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
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| 20:46.19 | jelly | Legality: maybe one of them is dying |
| 20:46.20 | valdyn | weda.mine.nu/FtpMustDie, maybe |
| 20:46.21 | Legality | jelly: SMART tests? I don't even know what those are :> |
| 20:46.25 | Legality | crap |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | valdyn: nah .. greycat still has it |
| 20:46.39 | abrotman | valdyn: looks like his system is offline |
| 20:46.41 | Legality | i suspected that this might be the case |
| 20:47.00 | jelly | Legality: install smartmontools; run smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 20:47.16 | chops | Is it possible to use LVM to create a logical volume that's based on two other mirrored logical volumes? Or is that just called "RAID1" (with the mirrored objects being limited to physical volumes instead of logical volumes)? |
| 20:47.22 | amphi | sco50000: wooledge.org seems to down |
| 20:48.03 | Legality | wow, I dont know how to read this data :> |
| 20:48.12 | valdyn | chops: you can probably stack this up to insanity or kernel stack causing a crash, doesnt mean its a good idea |
| 20:48.17 | jelly | Legality: that will display a small load of SMART data. wikipedia says SMART can detect about 70% of disk failures before the disk actually goes byebye |
| 20:48.34 | chops | valdyn: No, I'm asking for my own reference, not because that's what I'm seeing |
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| 20:49.01 | chops | valdyn: I'm wondering about the situation of having multiple LVM volumes, and adding mirrors on separate physical volumes for ones that seem to be performing slowly |
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| 20:49.31 | themill | Does anyone know whether DSA 1480 (poppler buffer overflows) applies to kpdf and evince as well? My understanding was that these packages had internal copies of poppler rather than using the library package. |
| 20:50.07 | Legality | jelly: could I pastebin it for ya |
| 20:50.08 | Legality | ? |
| 20:50.31 | sco50000 | man mount doesn't seem to document how to use ftpfs, where can i find out how to use it? |
| 20:50.37 | chops | valdyn: And I'm wondering more how to find docs on setting up that situation, if it's something that LVM makes any easier |
| 20:50.58 | valdyn | chops: i wouldnt do it |
| 20:51.05 | chops | valdyn: No? |
| 20:51.25 | valdyn | chops: i doubt stacking lvm on top of lvm is a well tested situation |
| 20:51.28 | Legality | jelly: here's my sda: http://pastebin.org/18324 |
| 20:51.40 | expose | jelly: you know how i could check for updates in lenny since n days? |
| 20:51.45 | chops | valdyn: No, I wouldn't do it if it wasn't a semi-official LVM operation |
| 20:52.30 | chops | valdyn: I'm trying to ask whether adding a mirror for a volume is an operation that's at all easy in LVM, using very ill-chosen language. My searching seems indicate that it isn't, but it seems that it should be. |
| 20:52.40 | Legality | jelly: and sdb: http://pastebin.org/18326 |
| 20:52.42 | themill | sco50000: Are you using ftpfs from the package curlftpfs? then /usr/share/doc/curlftpfs sounds like a good place to start |
| 20:52.53 | valdyn | chops: lvm dosent do mirroring afaik |
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| 20:53.08 | sco50000 | themill: yeah, i just apt-cache searched ftpfs and got curlftpfs, i'm fine now |
| 20:53.23 | chops | sco50000: FWIW, I've found curlftpfs to be _very_ unstable for general use. It's fine for single-threaded use, but even something as reentrant as "find . -type f | xargs cat > /dev/null" can cause it to malfunction |
| 20:53.43 | themill | :( |
| 20:53.43 | chops | sco50000: Fortunately running it under valgrind fixes the problem for me... :-/ |
| 20:53.55 | sco50000 | chops: what is valgrind? |
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| 20:54.13 | valdyn | chops: you can stack raids on top of lvm and lvm on top of that raid, or not |
| 20:54.17 | themill | chops: yay... random speed hit and slow-things-down prevents thread locking issues... |
| 20:54.27 | chops | sco50000: A debugging tool to find memory access problems in C programs. Probably not something you want to mess with IOW. |
| 20:54.30 | chops | themill: Yeah, it's great |
| 20:54.39 | sco50000 | chops: ok |
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| 20:54.42 | chops | themill: I have such a setup running in a 'screen' session on one of my production servers |
| 20:54.50 | chops | themill: It was originally supposed to be a technique to find the problem |
| 20:54.55 | chops | themill: But since it works... :-/ |
| 20:55.03 | valdyn | chops: raid at the bottom and lvm on top is just alot more sane though imo |
| 20:55.38 | chops | valdyn: Yeah, but you see what I'm going for, right? "Oh, X volume is slow, throw more physical volumes at it to fix the problem" |
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| 20:55.53 | valdyn | chops: yes, linux software raid supports that perfectly |
| 20:55.56 | themill | chops: eww.... yucky. sshfs not an option? |
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| 20:56.28 | chops | valdyn: I guess I could still do that with LVM-atop-RAID; I could just set up 1-volume RAID arrays for all my physical volumes, and add mirror disks as necessary |
| 20:56.30 | valdyn | chops: adding disks will slow writes too though |
| 20:56.31 | felix_da_catz | For some reason dspam and dovecot are just stopping on my machine. There is nothing in any log file. Any tips on how I can figure out what is going on here? |
| 20:56.55 | lalelu3 | hello, just a stupid question: when will we get the full compiz-fusion package on unstable? |
| 20:57.06 | abrotman | felix_da_catz: start with stopping dspam .. |
| 20:57.14 | abrotman | lalelu3: it is ? |
| 20:57.16 | chops | themill: Nope, client uses ftp and isn't interested in switching. We have an entire FTP infrastructure devoted to obstreperous clients and a standard plead to give them to try unsuccessfully to convince them not to use FTP. |
| 20:57.26 | chops | valdyn: nod |
| 20:57.40 | nollidj | chops: any luck at least getting them to use ssl/tls ? |
| 20:57.45 | chops | nollidj: Nope |
| 20:57.46 | abrotman | lalelu3: what are you missing ? |
| 20:57.48 | nollidj | ugh |
| 20:58.06 | lalelu3 | compiz-fusion-git |
| 20:58.17 | valdyn | geez |
| 20:58.22 | chops | nollidj: I'd be happy if we could even get them to use an FTP server that knew how to append "AM" or "PM" to timestamps so that rsync-atop-cutlftpfs didn't get so confused |
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| 20:58.30 | themill | chops: bastards. I wish I could convince my web host to allow me to use sftp or rsync... but giving ssh or sftp access would be "insecure" but using ftp is not, apparently. If they weren't cheap I'd tell them to fuck off. |
| 20:58.32 | nollidj | haa |
| 20:58.35 | chops | nollidj: Now you guys are making me all depressed about my job :-) |
| 20:58.42 | nollidj | i've had enough trouble here with "web developers" who do everything in dreamweaver and so must use naive ftp for remote access |
| 20:58.44 | chops | themill: Yes, I have heard exactly that argument |
| 20:59.13 | nollidj | and, i had to beat our network "admin" with a cluestick over why ftp fixups which alter the response to PASV are bad when you want to support both naive and secure FTP through NAT |
| 20:59.18 | Legality | jelly around ? :> |
| 20:59.27 | abrotman | lalelu3: wouldn't that be something you'd get from the git repo ? |
| 20:59.30 | chops | themill: I've had someone who's giving me CGI script access to the web server as the web server user tell me that providing ssh access as a separate user would be insecure as opposed to FTPing the scripts up |
| 20:59.58 | abrotman | piss off! |
| 21:00.18 | themill | nollidj: for a nice rant on the subject.... /msg dpkg ftpmustdie ... although the referenced website is down at present, but will be back soonish. |
| 21:00.25 | nollidj | lessee |
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| 21:00.31 | abrotman | themill: google cache ? |
| 21:00.37 | Legality | xingu around? |
| 21:00.45 | themill | abrotman: of course. but CBF. |
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| 21:00.48 | abrotman | themill: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:_-xeiNvq6hsJ:wooledge.org:8000/FtpMustDie+ftpmustdie&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us |
| 21:00.52 | nollidj | a little bitterness adds flavor, like in good coffee |
| 21:00.59 | themill | abrotman: cheers |
| 21:01.17 | lalelu3 | hmm |
| 21:01.36 | grendal_prime | hey...how to i kill a loged in user session |
| 21:01.43 | abrotman | kill |
| 21:01.45 | abrotman | slay |
| 21:01.50 | jelly | Legality: sorry, busy |
| 21:01.51 | grendal_prime | like ...hehehe |
| 21:01.57 | grendal_prime | kill pts1 ? |
| 21:02.01 | grendal_prime | something like that |
| 21:02.05 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 21:02.19 | amphi | grendal_prime: kill their shell |
| 21:02.26 | themill | grendal_prime: "killall -9 --user username" |
| 21:02.29 | abrotman | or man slay |
| 21:02.56 | amphi | grendal_prime: whowatch you might find useful |
| 21:03.17 | Legality | jelly: ok, I got one |
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| 21:03.45 | jelly | Legality: nothing immediately alarming ("SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED", and no lines with "FAILING_NOW" in the attributes section) |
| 21:03.51 | Legality | jelly: I had one error on sda |
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| 21:04.28 | jelly | Legality: not really relevant. I'd run a short test on both drives, see if they pass. |
| 21:05.27 | Legality | jelly: check the sdb, it has an error |
| 21:05.28 | Legality | http://pastebin.org/18326 |
| 21:05.34 | valdyn | smart is completel bollocks depending which disks you use |
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| 21:05.54 | hyper_ch | hiho, I wonder if I use a keyfile for dm_crypt/luks is there something I should worry about? minimal filesize or something? |
| 21:05.57 | jelly | Legality: hmm, missed that one |
| 21:06.41 | sco50000 | how can i mount an ftpfs with the owner and group set to my username? if i use sudo, which i have to, it makes it owned by root |
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| 21:07.24 | Legality | jelly: lets say that I change the second hdd and the server uses sw-raid. Do I get the sw-raid back up with only 1 command, mdadm --re-add? |
| 21:07.52 | valdyn | Legality: you might have to partition that new disk first |
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| 21:08.13 | valdyn | Legality: or what does that raid consist of? |
| 21:08.29 | jelly | Legality: you also need some stuff to rescan the devices if doing hot-swapping, and yes, partition the blank disk |
| 21:09.26 | cmanns | Be back in a week :) |
| 21:09.31 | chops | sco50000: Add yourself to the 'fuse' group and re-log in, and don't use sudo |
| 21:09.40 | sco50000 | ok, thanks |
| 21:09.48 | valdyn | Legality: samsung disks have broken smart, all of mine do. |
| 21:10.05 | valdyn | Legality: i.e. they only fail when doing smart tests |
| 21:10.13 | jelly | hm, there was a /proc/mdstat in there somewhere |
| 21:10.42 | valdyn | Legality: cant talk about your model specifically though - i dont know it |
| 21:10.57 | valdyn | # |
| 21:10.57 | valdyn | ==> WARNING: May need -F samsung or -F samsung2 enabled; see manual for details. |
| 21:10.57 | valdyn | # |
| 21:11.00 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:11.06 | sco50000 | chops: do i have to re-login or can i just force it to reload the groups? |
| 21:11.22 | jelly | valdyn: fwiw, he uses md raid1, two partitions on both disks, both / and swap are mirrored |
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| 21:11.28 | chops | sco50000: I don't know how to make an active session reload the groups, although I can't imagine that it's impossible. |
| 21:12.34 | DawnLight | chops: it is. can't remember |
| 21:13.05 | themill | chops: ssh localhost is one way ;) |
| 21:13.26 | chops | sco50000: su -l yourusername |
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| 21:14.28 | themill | !telll napman about rootirc |
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| 21:15.49 | Legality | I gotta ask from our server isp about the thing, whether this error is notable |
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| 21:16.16 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 21:16.27 | Ace2016 | how do i find out how fast my network card is? my lan network card |
| 21:16.32 | madclicker | hi, what is the default partitioning scheme for debian. Primary partitions, secondary partitions etc ? |
| 21:16.47 | madclicker | logical partitions |
| 21:16.59 | amphi | Ace2016: ethtool? |
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| 21:17.34 | Ace2016 | madclicker: there are no debian specific partition specific stuff, just put /boot on a primary partition and set it up as you would normally |
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| 21:18.09 | Ace2016 | what do you mean exactly? |
| 21:18.16 | Ace2016 | have you installed linux before? |
| 21:18.19 | jelly | Legality: if you have a backup and can allow to play with a live system, you could confirm that eg. /dev/sdb is at fault by removing its partitions from your md raid1 devices. |
| 21:19.11 | jelly | Legality: if the machine goes way faster with degraded arrays with only /dev/sda, it means it's either sdb, or linux/md itself. |
| 21:19.38 | valdyn | Legality: do you have anything in dmesg about this issue? |
| 21:19.41 | jelly | Legality: then put back sdb, wait for md devs to resync, then remove sda :-) |
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| 21:20.32 | madclicker | Ace2016, what if i have multiple partitions? From what I gather I am only allowed four "primary" partitions. So if i have /boot / /usr /var /tmp /home etc how is it usually done with logical/primary partitions? |
| 21:20.47 | Ace2016 | ah |
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| 21:21.11 | Ace2016 | logical partition is like a container that holds other partitions |
| 21:21.23 | debian_ | Ace2016: what do I need them for? |
| 21:21.26 | valdyn | madclicker: logical partitions reside on a primary partition, you can set that up in any way you choose |
| 21:21.49 | valdyn | madclicker: windows calls that primary partition that contains logical partititons "extended partitions" , no idea about debian. |
| 21:22.01 | Ace2016 | since you can have 4 primary partitions, and if somone needs more they'll turn a primary partition into a logical partition and create lots of partitions inside the logical partition |
| 21:22.09 | madclicker | valdyn, what is the default for debian |
| 21:22.16 | jetscreamer | logical drives go on extended partitions, iirc |
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| 21:22.42 | valdyn | madclicker: no idea, probably the windows compatible way with 1 primary and 1 extended containing however many logicals |
| 21:23.13 | jetscreamer | extended partitons are the tool of the devil |
| 21:23.32 | Ace2016 | much better explaination here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning |
| 21:23.33 | Legality | jelly: I decided to contact our ISP admins about this and ask from them, I put the proper data fro mthe tests |
| 21:23.36 | madclicker | so in a tipical debian server i would have / "root" partition as primary, /boot "boot , usr, var, home etc" on logical? |
| 21:23.43 | jetscreamer | man was not meant to have > 1 partition per hd!!! 1 partition is more than enough!!! |
| 21:23.59 | jetscreamer | so is 640 |
| 21:24.09 | valdyn | madclicker: a decent server admin would probably not use those partitions, but lvm for all but /boot |
| 21:24.11 | themill | madclicker: whatever you want. It doesn't really matter. What you suggest sounds quite fine. |
| 21:24.17 | jelly | jetscreamer: even better - make it 1 partition over a lot of disks |
| 21:24.23 | valdyn | madclicker: your choice. |
| 21:24.31 | Ace2016 | you don't have to create so much! |
| 21:24.44 | Ace2016 | i mean you only really need /, nothing more |
| 21:24.53 | jetscreamer | extendeds sucks when you want to change your partitioning scheme |
| 21:24.57 | valdyn | Ace2016: splitting has its purpose too |
| 21:25.06 | jelly | Ace2016: have fun running a fsck on a 500GB partition. |
| 21:25.06 | themill | madclicker: you would normally have /boot as the first primary partition but that's mostly a hangover from ancient BIOSes that couldn't cope with big disks. |
| 21:25.08 | valdyn | Ace2016: i.e. a reinstall preserving /home is convenient |
| 21:25.09 | madclicker | valdyn, themill in reality I need to set it up as "md" Autodetect raid" partitions |
| 21:25.10 | jetscreamer | s/sucks/suck/ |
| 21:25.25 | valdyn | Ace2016: or mysql databases or whatever |
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| 21:25.41 | Ace2016 | yea it is nice, i prefer / and /Archive and /boot since you can't boot off of xfs |
| 21:25.47 | Ace2016 | mysql databse? |
| 21:25.49 | madclicker | themill, which I think is a must for software raid, /boot must be on a separate partition |
| 21:26.02 | valdyn | no |
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| 21:26.32 | madclicker | i could never boot a system if boot is not a separate partition |
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| 21:27.15 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 21:27.15 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 21:27.32 | Ace2016 | bye all |
| 21:27.57 | valdyn | madclicker: autodetect raid is deprecated. |
| 21:28.19 | madclicker | valdyn, "md" device? |
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| 21:29.35 | valdyn | madclicker: autodetect raid is started directly by the kernel, which is a deprecated feature, which may be removed |
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| 21:33.20 | madclicker | valdyn, what type do i use for md devices? |
| 21:33.51 | valdyn | madclicker: irrelevant |
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| 21:35.27 | chops | madclicker: For your own (and future admins') sanity, you should probably use a type that indicates RAID |
| 21:35.44 | valdyn | madclicker: any block device can be raided, that includes partitions and raw disks, the type is irrelevant, but nice for admins, as chops said |
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| 21:36.39 | valdyn | madclicker: the only situation where partition type id matters with raid is when using the deprated and by debian unsupported method of having the kernel itself start the raid directly |
| 21:37.24 | chops | valdyn: Debian doesn't autostart RAID volumes anymore? Does that apply to etch? |
| 21:37.34 | valdyn | chops: no, you misunderstand |
| 21:37.41 | chops | chops: Er, sorry |
| 21:38.00 | chops | chops: The Debian kernels don't anymore without userspace assistance? |
| 21:38.09 | valdyn | chops: linux, the kernel can autostart raids, thats the deprecated method, debian starts raids via the scripts run from the initrd |
| 21:38.17 | chops | valdyn: nod, okay |
| 21:38.31 | chops | valdyn: I was just surprised that that had happened without me noticing |
| 21:38.38 | chops | valdyn: I guess that means it was handled well :-) |
| 21:38.51 | valdyn | chops: debian never used the deprecated method i think |
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| 21:39.15 | valdyn | chops: i.e. when it wasnt deprecated debian installers didnt support raid |
| 21:39.29 | chops | valdyn: Makes sense |
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| 21:40.21 | chops | valdyn: I used to use Debian on a RAID array that got autostarted by the kernel, but now that I think about it that was on a hand-compiled vanilla kernel |
| 21:40.40 | valdyn | chops: yea, needs md drivers compiled in |
| 21:40.54 | chops | valdyn: Yeah, I remember it was a big PITA |
| 21:41.10 | DawnLight | pita bread? |
| 21:41.29 | elete | hey guys, i'm just too dumb to do that... i want to parse a htmlfile and cut from tag1 to tag2. i'm trying with awk but i'm in a mess with that regexpressions. maybe there's a pro around who can help? |
| 21:41.30 | Legality | damn im hungry |
| 21:41.38 | Legality | some pita kebab would be extraordinary now |
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| 21:42.15 | chops | valdyn: Debian kernels are quite a bit easier to deal with :-) |
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| 21:42.23 | DawnLight | with hummus? |
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| 21:43.08 | chops | !pita |
| 21:43.08 | dpkg | i heard pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
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| 21:44.26 | nollidj | elete: i would suggest using perl and HTML::PullParser or HTML::TokeParser or HTML::Parser |
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| 21:48.07 | elete | nollidj: even if i've never done anything in perl? |
| 21:51.00 | chops | elete: cat file | perl -e '$a = join("", <>); $a =~ s{\<\s*thetag.*/thetag\s*\>}{}m; print $a;' |
| 21:51.13 | chops | elete: Change both instances of 'thetag' to the tag you want to pull out |
| 21:51.29 | chops | elete: Warning: Totally untested. Warning: Not a correct HTML parser. |
| 21:51.31 | dkr | useless use of cat award goes to chops, today! congrats! :) |
| 21:52.24 | dkr | also, using regex to parse html is a non-no.there are way too many mismatches and backtracking possibilities. it's best to use a module designed for it |
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| 21:53.17 | dkr | e.g. chops example breaks if more than one of thetag in the text since .* will greedily match the lastmost end tag |
| 21:53.19 | chops | dkr: Useless use of cat is a great thing to do. It makes the flow more logical. |
| 21:53.36 | chops | dkr: cat thing1 | thing2 | thing3 > thing4 |
| 21:53.39 | chops | dkr: Instead of |
| 21:53.49 | chops | dkr: thing2 < thing1 | thing3 > thing4 |
| 21:54.16 | dkr | but this is a case of passing a file argument to a command: perl -e'foo' file |
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| 21:54.42 | dkr | od you type cat file | grep foo all the time instead of grep foo file ? :) |
| 21:54.46 | \amethyst | chops: or you could write <thing1 thing2 | thing3 > thing4 |
| 21:54.55 | zamba | how is /etc/environment read during login? |
| 21:55.09 | justin | I type cat file | grep foo all the time |
| 21:55.18 | \amethyst | zamba: by the pam_env.so module |
| 21:55.27 | chops | \amethyst: Hey, I never knew that. That's awesome. |
| 21:55.29 | justin | it makes it easier to change the "foo" if you know it will need modification |
| 21:55.41 | zamba | \amethyst: ok, so if it's not read during login, how can i check why not? |
| 21:55.54 | \amethyst | zamba: see /etc/pam.d/{login,ssh,su} and so on |
| 21:56.02 | \amethyst | zamba: what kind of login? |
| 21:56.07 | zamba | ssh |
| 21:56.20 | zamba | i have the following in /etc/pam.d/ssh: auth required pam_env.so # [1] |
| 21:56.41 | zamba | # In Debian 4.0 (etch), locale-related environment variables were moved to |
| 21:56.41 | zamba | # /etc/default/locale, so read that as well. |
| 21:56.41 | zamba | auth required pam_env.so envfile=/etc/default/locale |
| 21:56.44 | zamba | hm, ah |
| 21:57.25 | \amethyst | zamba: yeah, if /etc/default/locale exists it overrides /etc/environment, since it appears leater |
| 21:57.28 | \amethyst | later |
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| 21:57.35 | zamba | \amethyst: ah |
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| 21:58.00 | zamba | but still, it's not set for users |
| 21:58.17 | zamba | when i log in on the server, all 'locale' specific settings is set to "POSIX" |
| 21:58.30 | \amethyst | does /etc/default/locale exist? |
| 21:58.40 | zamba | but when i 'su' they all changes to whatever's in /etc/environment |
| 21:58.43 | zamba | \amethyst: yeah |
| 21:58.51 | \amethyst | zamba: and what's in there? |
| 21:58.56 | rha_ | hi all |
| 21:59.03 | zamba | \amethyst: just a commented out line |
| 21:59.15 | \amethyst | zamba: hm... what do the pam_env.so lines in /etc/pam.d/su say? |
| 21:59.22 | \amethyst | zamba: just one of them |
| 21:59.49 | zamba | session required pam_env.so readenv=1 |
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| 21:59.59 | zamba | session required pam_env.so readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale |
| 22:00.01 | zamba | and then that |
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| 22:00.03 | \amethyst | zamba: try adding the readenv=1 to the ssh pam_env.so config |
| 22:00.32 | jetscreamer | does anybody know why xmms has 'oadiu' instead of 'audio' written on the skin? |
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| 22:00.55 | DawnLight | jetscreamer: skin cancer |
| 22:00.57 | \amethyst | zamba: the manpage says it's on by default, but some comments in my pam config imply otherwise |
| 22:00.59 | embkas | I have java version 1.4.2 - how do I install a newer version easy |
| 22:01.09 | zamba | \amethyst: how do i apply the changes? do i need to restart some service or is it enough just logging back on again? |
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| 22:01.31 | nameless` | hi |
| 22:01.36 | zamba | \amethyst: i just compared with another installation of debian etch, and it's not set to readenv=1 there |
| 22:01.36 | DawnLight | embkas: are you running debian etch? |
| 22:01.42 | zamba | \amethyst: and that installation works (locale wise) |
| 22:01.43 | \amethyst | zamba: I don't think you need to restart ssh, but it won't hurt (since doing so in Debian doesn't kill existing connections) |
| 22:01.44 | embkas | DawnLight: yes |
| 22:01.46 | \amethyst | zamba: hm |
| 22:01.47 | nameless` | i've got a problem about setting time during boot with lenny |
| 22:01.51 | \amethyst | zamba: this is etch then? |
| 22:02.01 | zamba | \amethyst: yeah |
| 22:02.02 | zarac | hmm... i forgot root password for one of my servers... any ideas on how to recover it? kinds sucks to have to reformat =D |
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| 22:02.20 | \amethyst | !forgot root password |
| 22:02.20 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 22:02.29 | nameless` | since my 6-last reboot, i have "unable to set up the time" |
| 22:02.34 | jetscreamer | \amethyst: !ifrp |
| 22:02.49 | zarac | sweet.. thanks |
| 22:02.56 | nameless` | and sometimes, fsck said "49710 days without being checked" |
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| 22:03.19 | jetscreamer | fsck defaults to some weird ungodly number on that count |
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| 22:03.34 | jetscreamer | if it just started, or i guess lost count |
| 22:03.40 | asdfasd | hey....does the mysql-client support ssl? |
| 22:04.07 | zamba | \amethyst: i just tried logging on using ssh -v, and i get the following: |
| 22:04.08 | \amethyst | zamba: hm... same version of openssh-server and libpam0g ? |
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| 22:04.17 | zamba | debug1: Sending environment. |
| 22:04.18 | zamba | debug1: Sending env LANG = en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:04.26 | nameless` | does anyone can help me ? |
| 22:04.30 | zamba | but then, when i do 'locale', everything is set to POSIX |
| 22:04.30 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 22:04.35 | zamba | \amethyst: should be |
| 22:04.40 | nameless` | because it makes a lot of bug, during aptitude install for exemple |
| 22:04.45 | \amethyst | zamba: is LC_ALL set? |
| 22:04.59 | \amethyst | zamba: and what does echo $LANG say? |
| 22:05.14 | embkas | wich version of java have you got guys? |
| 22:05.41 | zamba | 4.3p2-9 for ssh and 0.79-5 for libpam0g |
| 22:05.42 | carbon_unit | can anyone help me with a vnc issue? |
| 22:05.50 | zamba | LC_ALL is not set |
| 22:05.55 | \amethyst | embkas: I have about nine versions of java |
| 22:06.06 | zamba | and echo $LANG returns nothing.. hmm.. |
| 22:06.09 | fas3r | i have problem .. maybe it's just i don't understand .. i have a gateway on debian .. and iptable for forward connection. For torrent i need to use DNAT ? or just i need to active forwarding ? |
| 22:06.24 | \amethyst | zamba: is something in your login scripts unsetting it? |
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| 22:07.00 | zamba | \amethyst: that's exactly what i was thinking when i first experienced this issue, so i wiped both my .bashrc and my .bash_profile |
| 22:07.04 | zamba | (replaced them, that is) |
| 22:07.12 | zamba | i've even tried logging on as a different user |
| 22:07.14 | jetscreamer | open up the ports in your fw if you don't have a router... or forward the ports to your box from the router |
| 22:07.23 | jetscreamer | fas3r: ^^ |
| 22:07.24 | zamba | so if anything is unsetting it, it must be something in /etc |
| 22:07.29 | asdfasd | is there is simple way to get the mysql-client in debian to connect via ssl? |
| 22:07.35 | nameless` | how can i manually setup the time ? |
| 22:07.37 | \amethyst | zamba: what if you remove the /etc/default/locale altogether ? |
| 22:07.38 | asdfasd | it seems not to support it |
| 22:07.51 | \amethyst | zamba: just remove the file, you shouldn't need to change the pam config |
| 22:08.26 | zamba | \amethyst: but what's the global logon script? |
| 22:08.34 | zamba | isn't that /etc/profile? |
| 22:08.44 | Malf | carbon_unit: ask away and see if the channel has any help |
| 22:08.48 | carbon_unit | I installed vnc4server. Every time I vnc in I get the config desktop instead of the gnome desktop. What do I need to do? |
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| 22:08.50 | fas3r | jetscreamer: i need to use DNAT no ? |
| 22:08.57 | \amethyst | zamba: yes, and/or /etc/bash.bashrc depending on how you start the shell |
| 22:09.17 | nameless` | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54924/ |
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| 22:10.12 | jetscreamer | fas3r: i never heard of dnat, so i don't guess you need it for torrenting |
| 22:10.41 | fas3r | yes but it's not for the gateway it's for client on the network (behind the gateway) |
| 22:11.02 | zamba | \amethyst: didn't help moving the /etc/default/locale out of the way either |
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| 22:11.48 | stiv2k | jelly: you there?? |
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| 22:12.52 | \amethyst | zamba: hm... maybe you should try ssh user@host bash -ilx to start an interactive login shell with tracing. that will show you every command bash executes |
| 22:13.28 | \amethyst | zamba: that will at least tell you if the shell is unsetting it |
| 22:13.32 | zamba | \amethyst: it's not |
| 22:13.56 | \amethyst | zamba: hm |
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| 22:14.28 | zamba | please say that again :) |
| 22:14.44 | \amethyst | zamba: do the sshd configs differ between the the machines? |
| 22:14.52 | \amethyst | s/the the/the two/ |
| 22:14.55 | chops | nameless`: It looks like your BIOS clock is set to 1903; Unix systems tend to have problems with dates previous to 1970 |
| 22:15.02 | Tramp | fas3r: yes, you need to forward (dnat) one port from the gateway to the client |
| 22:15.49 | nameless` | chops: it's a powerpc, and it is the first time i have this problem |
| 22:15.51 | fas3r | Tramp: i have do this : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 6881:6889 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.2.10 but doesn't work |
| 22:16.07 | nameless` | chops: powerpc implie i can't go to the bios and fix it manually |
| 22:16.09 | zamba | \amethyst: oh, indeed they do |
| 22:16.16 | zamba | i believe we're onto something here |
| 22:16.24 | chops | nameless`: You can set the date using ntpdate, and then save the system time back to the BIOS |
| 22:16.27 | \amethyst | zamba: anything different related to UsePAM or maybe AcceptEnv? |
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| 22:17.10 | zamba | yeah, the non-working host has a small and probably non-important line placed all alone at the rock bottom of the file saying "UsePAM no" :) |
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| 22:17.19 | zamba | \amethyst: you think that's in any way related? ;) |
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| 22:17.27 | \amethyst | zamba: :) |
| 22:17.30 | strip | Hello, what is the way to put my 'custom name' to my attachment signature using gpg? I use mutt |
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| 22:17.35 | nameless` | chops: how can i save the system time back to the bios ? |
| 22:17.53 | stiv2k | chops: i got the decal, it's nothing but a barcode sticker... |
| 22:17.53 | chops | nameless`: If I had to guess, I would say that '/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop' would do it |
| 22:18.02 | \amethyst | nameless`: /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop |
| 22:18.06 | zamba | \amethyst: yes! |
| 22:18.07 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:18.08 | stiv2k | chops: how can i identify what symbology is used to create it |
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| 22:18.14 | shyam_k | hi where can i find a set of gpled fancy fonts?or fancy fonts in other sharable license? |
| 22:18.18 | \amethyst | zamba: fixed? |
| 22:18.19 | chops | stiv2k: I'm not sure, sorry |
| 22:18.23 | nameless` | chops: ok i try this |
| 22:18.36 | zamba | \amethyst: thanks a bloody bunch.. i'll buy you a beer and slaughter a polar bear in your honor if you ever come to norway :) |
| 22:19.01 | \amethyst | zamba: :) |
| 22:19.07 | zamba | oh well.. i threw away my fine logon scripts for nothing, but that's fine i guess :) |
| 22:19.11 | Tramp | fas3r: problem may be the range in the --dport (not sure). Does the rule show up in iptables -t nat -nvL? |
| 22:19.20 | jetscreamer | shyam_k: apt-cache search theme or icon maybe? |
| 22:19.27 | \amethyst | zamba: I'm vegetarian, so I'll settle for the beer :) |
| 22:19.43 | jetscreamer | see also /usr/share/pixmaps and /icons |
| 22:20.08 | zamba | \amethyst: good, because our access to polar bears are highly overrated :) |
| 22:20.20 | jetscreamer | i didn't know gnome had their own livecd |
| 22:20.31 | \amethyst | zamba: the moose would probably kick their asses |
| 22:20.47 | shyam_k | jetscreamer: i mean any site or so which gives a collection of fonts?i have been searching the net for a while now..but didnt get a site which shows gpled or other sharable fonts.. |
| 22:21.07 | fas3r | Tramp: yes it's possible to use dport with range port |
| 22:21.29 | filipe_ | Any mdadm masters around? I just have a failed raid6 with xfs and need guidance in what to do |
| 22:21.34 | zamba | well, the polar bear is one of the few species on the earth that's not afraid of the humans.. the moose would probably run scared away, whilst the polar bear could actually hang around to check what's up |
| 22:21.39 | \amethyst | shyam_k: you could try aptitude search ttf- ... that will list a number of truetype font packages available in debian |
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| 22:22.38 | Tramp | fas3r: well ok. do you see packets on the internal interface of the gateway when you tcpdump? |
| 22:22.47 | jetscreamer | shyam_k: no idea, i guess you know about the 50billion fonts in sources though |
| 22:22.57 | jetscreamer | fontforge? |
| 22:23.08 | jetscreamer | !fontforge |
| 22:23.31 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 22:23.31 | \amethyst | !info fontforge |
| 22:23.33 | dpkg | fontforge: (Font editor for PS, TrueType and OpenType fonts), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.0.20071110-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4589 kB, Installed size: 11732 kB |
| 22:23.58 | jetscreamer | i did the font thing in 2000 |
| 22:24.15 | jetscreamer | and wasn't into linux yet |
| 22:25.11 | DawnLight | hello. while backporting a package i got "make: dh_icons: Command not found". which package has this? |
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| 22:25.27 | DawnLight | dpkg-dev perhaps? |
| 22:25.37 | \amethyst | DawnLight: debhelper |
| 22:25.41 | chops | DawnLight: I would guess debhelper |
| 22:25.47 | DawnLight | thanks :) |
| 22:25.48 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=free+font&btnG=Search |
| 22:25.48 | \amethyst | DawnLight: you should install the build dependencies |
| 22:26.07 | jetscreamer | apt-file search dh_icons ? |
| 22:26.09 | DawnLight | i have debhelper |
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| 22:26.21 | chops | DawnLight: ... but presumably you need a newer version |
| 22:26.32 | DawnLight | figured |
| 22:26.35 | nameless` | thx chops and \amethyst it looks working |
| 22:26.48 | chops | nameless`: np |
| 22:27.04 | jetscreamer | and so it is, in debhelper |
| 22:27.13 | \amethyst | DawnLight: looks like lenny's debhelper has it |
| 22:27.24 | jetscreamer | !find dh_icons etch |
| 22:27.31 | DawnLight | \amethyst: why thank you :) |
| 22:27.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dh_icons' returned no results. |
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| 22:27.53 | \amethyst | DawnLight: and sid's debhelper... what package are you backporting? |
| 22:28.19 | DawnLight | \amethyst: rutilt |
| 22:28.40 | nameless` | how can i get the date with command line ? |
| 22:28.44 | \amethyst | hm |
| 22:28.46 | DawnLight | nameless`: date |
| 22:28.51 | nameless` | ^^ |
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| 22:29.01 | DawnLight | -- |
| 22:29.04 | nameless` | well |
| 22:29.05 | nameless` | thx |
| 22:29.20 | nameless` | i should have try this first |
| 22:29.21 | DawnLight | keep it up |
| 22:29.30 | \amethyst | DawnLight: might be worth filing a bug report... if it uses dh_icons, it should have a more restrictive build-dependency than debhelper (>= 5) |
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| 22:29.40 | DanThirst | !source |
| 22:29.40 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us - uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
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| 22:30.39 | \amethyst | the build-dependency probably should be debhelper (>= 5.0.51) or something like that |
| 22:30.41 | DawnLight | against rutilt? |
| 22:30.55 | \amethyst | DawnLight: yes |
| 22:30.59 | DanThirst | blah where can i find a repo list, for etch |
| 22:31.08 | DawnLight | will do |
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| 22:31.44 | DanThirst | Thanks DawnLight |
| 22:31.56 | DawnLight | keep it up |
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| 22:32.52 | Aces1up | anyone know the package for sasl, so i can authenticate with postfix? |
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| 22:33.21 | jetscreamer | !sasl |
| 22:33.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sasl is Simple Authentication and Security Layer, an extensible authentication method defined in RFC 2222. SASL allows for the use of various mechanisms for authentication, which are registered with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). a stupid, evil and poorly documented (but necessary) system for smtp auth. |
| 22:33.35 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 22:33.40 | Aces1up | heh |
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| 22:34.21 | Legality | hey, just checking the correct command after the second hdd is changed to a SW-RAID1 system |
| 22:34.28 | Legality | was is mdadd --re-add? |
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| 22:34.57 | karmatronic | Aces1up: libsasl2-modules |
| 22:35.45 | expose | Where can i find the options foo for "mkfs.ext3 -E foo" ? |
| 22:35.46 | jair | hello guys, I am reading about a software from IBM which (stupiditly) give instructions only about dhcp server in windows and I am trying to translate what it will be the configuration setting for the dhcp server in Linux. The question is: 1) what will be on the dhcp server linux config a windows option called (43) or (60)? |
| 22:36.27 | \amethyst | Aces1up: postfix Suggest:s sasl2-bin, so that's probably the package you want |
| 22:37.09 | \amethyst | jair: err, are you sure (43) or (60) is the name of the option? |
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| 22:37.58 | Legality | heh |
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| 22:37.59 | Legality | anyone ? |
| 22:38.44 | \amethyst | expose: man mkfs.ext2 and search for -E a couple of times |
| 22:38.57 | Legality | hey, could anyone throw me a bone here |
| 22:38.59 | expose | yes...got it...thanks |
| 22:39.21 | Legality | lads? |
| 22:39.28 | \amethyst | Legality: maybe there aren't any RAID folks around right now? |
| 22:39.33 | Legality | grrh |
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| 22:39.42 | Legality | Im just going to sleep and I just need to find this out |
| 22:40.53 | SixT6 | Legality: Try google |
| 22:41.03 | Legality | SixT6: tried |
| 22:41.05 | SixT6 | It's a new and revolutionary website for geeks |
| 22:41.25 | SixT6 | Well, I searched for mdadd --re-add and I got tons of pages |
| 22:41.34 | jetscreamer | i have raid... i spray it at roaches when i see them, which is never thank god for combat |
| 22:41.42 | Aces1up | amethyst thanks for your help, i don't suppose you know of a good guide on how i can configure smtp_auth with a smarthost using postfix? |
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| 22:43.08 | bolt | "<abrakadabra> #LinuxTalk on Dalnet needs some good company and good channel operators. wana join? type /server -m irc.dal.net and join #LinuxTalk to see" |
| 22:43.16 | bolt | linux discussions on dalnet |
| 22:43.18 | bolt | yay. |
| 22:43.26 | twiggz | ... |
| 22:43.28 | SixT6 | Thank you for sharing your spam |
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| 22:43.36 | bolt | you're welcome |
| 22:43.40 | mohamed | hello |
| 22:43.40 | SixT6 | Can you give me your email so I can send you all the spam mail I get every day? |
| 22:43.56 | bolt | SixT6: sure. it's the same as yours. try :) |
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| 22:44.09 | jetscreamer | bolt: it uses another name when it spams me with that |
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| 22:44.42 | mohamed | hey, i just decided to use debian linux |
| 22:44.48 | SixT6 | Oh my god, maybe it's fakenicking! |
| 22:44.53 | bolt | mohamed:good choice |
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| 22:45.09 | mohamed | i liked ubuntu very much, and since ubuntu is debian based, |
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| 22:45.16 | mohamed | thanks |
| 22:45.28 | mohamed | i am not good at linux |
| 22:45.50 | jetscreamer | !lart SixT6 |
| 22:45.52 | bolt | another step up the geek ladder :) back to basics. |
| 22:46.01 | mohamed | but, i am a very lazy little poor boy who like free stuffs that works as expected |
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| 22:46.22 | SixT6 | mohamed: Well then you should use solaris =P |
| 22:46.24 | jetscreamer | then linux is just the thing for you... you have to automate it |
| 22:46.31 | jetscreamer | efficient ppl excel |
| 22:46.32 | mohamed | really? |
| 22:46.35 | SixT6 | No |
| 22:46.38 | bolt | mohamed: as long as you don't expect it to work without you working for it first, you should be fine |
| 22:46.41 | mohamed | i thought of that too!!! |
| 22:46.43 | jetscreamer | efficient/lazy/me/ |
| 22:46.51 | carbon_unit | I have also been using Debian based distros for a while but I decided to try the real thing. |
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| 22:46.58 | jetscreamer | but first youhave to learn |
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| 22:47.16 | mohamed | i know i have to learn |
| 22:47.23 | mohamed | but, i belive in one thing |
| 22:47.32 | jetscreamer | reinventing the wheel? |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-home | stiv2k: pong |
| 22:48.09 | carbon_unit | I'd like to learn how to make my vncserver work correctly. |
| 22:48.10 | jetscreamer | that was yajj (yet another jetjoke) |
| 22:48.10 | mohamed | that is an os should already be working fine, and that a computer is useful in relation with the softwares installed in it |
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| 22:48.38 | bolt | carbon_unit: start by finding out what it doesn't do "correctly" and why :) |
| 22:48.56 | mohamed | i have a old sony vaio - pcg-f801 |
| 22:48.57 | carbon_unit | Every time I vnc in I get the config desktop instead of the gnome desktop. What do I need to do? |
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| 22:49.03 | mohamed | it doesn't have lan |
| 22:49.22 | mohamed | and no cdrw!!! |
| 22:49.30 | carbon_unit | I've been googling but haven't found an answer. |
| 22:49.30 | bolt | carbon_unit: you need x11vnc, i believe. if you expect windows-like vnc, that's definately what you need. |
| 22:49.31 | mohamed | how can i install debian? |
| 22:49.34 | karsten | carbon_unit: man vncserver. Configure your session. |
| 22:49.47 | bolt | carbon_unit: download, stuff in .xsession with a & behind it and smile |
| 22:49.47 | karsten | !tell mohamed about ig |
| 22:49.51 | SixT6 | Why not use ssh -X ? |
| 22:49.53 | mohamed | i have internet, but through a modem not a router |
| 22:50.09 | mohamed | what's ig?? |
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| 22:50.33 | jelly-home | SixT6: ssh -X does not show you the already running remote session |
| 22:50.41 | bolt | mohamed: the bot pm'd you. read it :) |
| 22:50.41 | jetscreamer | it's that /msg you got in that other window, mohamed |
| 22:50.43 | karsten | mohamed: http://www.debian.org/ Read the "Getting Started" section. |
| 22:50.43 | SixT6 | jelly-home: screen ftw kgl |
| 22:50.46 | mohamed | hey karsten, what'sthat? |
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| 22:50.56 | jetscreamer | it's that /msg you got in that other window, mohamed |
| 22:51.01 | mohamed | ah |
| 22:51.02 | jelly-home | SixT6: kgl? |
| 22:51.05 | jetscreamer | tjo answer the second q |
| 22:51.07 | karsten | mohamed: Read what dpkg told you. |
| 22:51.10 | mohamed | do you mean in private |
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| 22:51.16 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 22:51.20 | mohamed | i never use this kind of chat |
| 22:51.24 | mohamed | yeah |
| 22:51.27 | jetscreamer | what client are you using |
| 22:51.31 | karsten | mohamed: Should be in another window or tab. |
| 22:51.40 | wimpies | Any NFS specialist around ? For some reason when I automount an NFS Filesystem from system B on system A and shutdown system B, the Filesystem remains 'in use' on system A making it unable to unmount. Only a restart of the nfs-kernel on A works. What might cause this ? |
| 22:51.43 | jetscreamer | or /window next if irssi |
| 22:51.47 | mohamed | i already read that manual |
| 22:51.57 | jetscreamer | you missed? |
| 22:52.05 | DawnLight | \amethyst: bug filed |
| 22:52.13 | jelly-home | wimpies: that's normal. |
| 22:52.22 | jetscreamer | lsof wimpies |
| 22:52.25 | bolt | wimpies: umount -l |
| 22:52.57 | wimpies | If nfs shuts down on a client, does it not unmount the nfs FS ? |
| 22:53.01 | bolt | wimpies: and yes, it's perfectly normal. try using autofs and automount it, so it will only be there when you need it and safe to reboot when you don't |
| 22:53.28 | mohamed | has anybody tried to access the net using huawei modem?? |
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| 22:53.43 | wimpies | I don't get it. Shouldn't automount unmount FS when mounted when it shuts down ? |
| 22:53.45 | mohamed | in debian? |
| 22:54.10 | karsten | wimpies: Shutting down the server does *not* trigger a umount on the client. |
| 22:54.11 | jelly-home | wimpies: um, that's not what you said previously. Is it "automount an NFS Filesystem from system B on system A [and shutdown nfs server]", or "shut down nfs client"? |
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| 22:54.35 | karsten | wimpies: It's possible for your NFS server to go offline and come back. Client behavior is not terribly affected in this case. |
| 22:54.50 | karsten | wimpies: Note that in general, a sufficiently large NFS environment is a PITA. |
| 22:54.59 | wimpies | B is client automounting FS exported from A. System B is shut down, FS exported from A remains 'in use' after shutdown of B |
| 22:55.25 | jelly-home | ah |
| 22:55.25 | wimpies | karsten : yes but 1 client 1 server should be OK no ? |
| 22:55.25 | bolt | mohamed: probably. try google. or try asking a specific question in here. what have you tried? what error messages do you get? what is your goal and why? and so on. getting 10 people who have your kind of modem to msg you is useless if they've never had your problems. and chances are theirs work fine. |
| 22:56.15 | karsten | wimpies: Depends on your question. |
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| 22:56.28 | karsten | mohamed: Your best bet for specific HW questions is google. |
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| 22:56.42 | mohamed | i found an article, it said it that modem can work in most distros |
| 22:56.57 | karsten | mohamed: If you're trying to install Debian over a dialup connection, it _is_ possible, but it's slow. Getting install media (CDs or DVDs) would be highly preferred. |
| 22:57.03 | mohamed | it said "can", i just wanted to make sure!! |
| 22:57.06 | bolt | mohamed: then the article is proably right. give it a shot |
| 22:57.14 | mohamed | yes |
| 22:57.18 | mohamed | i want that |
| 22:57.32 | bolt | mohamed: device drivers are hardly ever distribution dependent afaik |
| 22:57.38 | mohamed | i want to install debian through wireless dsl internet |
| 22:57.39 | karsten | mohamed: In which case it should work. That information's better than what most of us can guess at. The kernel is pretty standard among different distros. So long as it's not a WinModem, you should be fine, and even if it is you should be mostly OK. |
| 22:57.43 | mohamed | how can do that |
| 22:57.53 | mohamed | i have win2000 installed |
| 22:57.55 | karsten | mohamed: Read the fucking install guide, as we've told you. |
| 22:57.57 | bolt | mohamed: get a bloody install cd already |
| 22:58.18 | karsten | mohamed: Or http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:58.20 | mohamed | how can use the thing in goodbye-microsoft.com with an iso |
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| 22:58.30 | karsten | mohamed: You don't. |
| 22:58.35 | mohamed | hey guys |
| 22:58.48 | mohamed | just try to understand what i wanna say please |
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| 22:59.05 | bolt | try to say it in a way we understand. and without pressing enter all the time |
| 22:59.06 | mohamed | my cd reader is broken |
| 22:59.17 | mohamed | and i don't have lan |
| 22:59.33 | Aces1up | if i telnet into my hosting smtp server what is the command i use to see what type of euthentication it requires? |
| 22:59.39 | karsten | mohamed: Then fix your CD drive and/or get a LAN. |
| 22:59.46 | mohamed | i have win2000 installed, and internet through a modem |
| 23:00.04 | wimpies | jelly-home : sorry about that but perhaps I was unclear in my formulation of the NFS problem. |
| 23:00.06 | mohamed | what abot qemu? |
| 23:00.09 | bolt | mohamed: move harddrive to another computer, install, move back |
| 23:00.10 | DanThirst | mohamed: or you could take a cd drive out of a working computer put it in install update then put it back |
| 23:00.19 | karsten | Aces1up: Your ISP should post that as a FAQ. Read its support pages and/or contact support. Alternatively, you can try different settings with a client such as fetchmail. |
| 23:00.23 | stiv2k | jelly-home: i picked up the barcode |
| 23:00.37 | mohamed | it's a laptop |
| 23:00.38 | stiv2k | jelly-home: its nothing but a plastic sticker, no RFID or magnetic strip or nothing.. |
| 23:00.45 | lymeca | Is it possible to make a .deb that downloads files from some versioning system like svn? |
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| 23:00.52 | mohamed | can i use qemu to boot from an iso? |
| 23:01.02 | mohamed | is that possible? |
| 23:01.06 | karsten | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:01.06 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 23:01.28 | bolt | mohamed: "A processor emulator that is used to run an x86 Linux Kernel on x86 Linux" |
| 23:01.29 | mohamed | the same here dpkg |
| 23:01.30 | karsten | mohamed: You're ignored. |
| 23:01.34 | bolt | mohamed: iso-booter is not in there |
| 23:01.42 | jair | \amethyst: hello |
| 23:01.57 | jair | \amethyst: sorry I was off the desk, on the server room |
| 23:02.02 | jair | I came back |
| 23:02.04 | bolt | OMFG. i actually laughed out loud at that |
| 23:02.06 | mohamed | thanks karsten, this is how you treat new comers |
| 23:02.23 | bolt | mohamed: you're being difficult |
| 23:02.27 | amphi | mohamed: you have an ethernet port and a usb port? |
| 23:02.34 | SixT6 | How awesome would it be to install debian with a punch card reader? |
| 23:02.35 | mohamed | yes |
| 23:02.42 | mohamed | i have use, com and ltp |
| 23:02.49 | bolt | mohamed: got a thumb drive? |
| 23:02.49 | mohamed | i have usb, com and ltp |
| 23:02.56 | jair | \amethyst: so basically the instructions on installing the software require a configuration on a dhcp server (windows) with an option called 43 changed to 60 |
| 23:02.58 | r_a_f | amphi:yuo know ss2 maybe? |
| 23:03.02 | stiv2k | jelly-home: im having a hard time figuring out the symbology of the barcode though.... |
| 23:03.06 | mohamed | you mean an external one? |
| 23:03.07 | amphi | r_a_f: ? |
| 23:03.07 | stiv2k | jelly-home: are you familiar with any of that ? |
| 23:03.14 | mohamed | it wont boot |
| 23:03.20 | r_a_f | amphi: ok sry mistake ^^ |
| 23:03.36 | jair | \amethyst: but what I really want to understand is what will be the equivalent of option 43 and option 60 of the windows dhcp server. |
| 23:03.37 | amphi | mohamed: you can't boot from usb? |
| 23:03.48 | mohamed | yes |
| 23:03.53 | mohamed | i cannot |
| 23:04.04 | carbon_unit | bolt: I got x11vnc. What was the rest of your instructions? |
| 23:04.11 | mohamed | this bios boot from floppy, cd and hd |
| 23:04.14 | mohamed | only |
| 23:04.18 | jair | in other words what does mean on the Linux world (windows dhcp option 43 or option 60) |
| 23:04.42 | amphi | mohamed: so boot from a cd |
| 23:04.58 | mohamed | the cd drive is boken |
| 23:05.11 | mohamed | and i am dealing with a laptop |
| 23:05.31 | mohamed | i can't take the hd away and install debian and then... |
| 23:05.50 | mohamed | it's making me sick |
| 23:06.04 | akuwamari | how can i register a channel? |
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| 23:06.14 | zmitya | hi all |
| 23:06.26 | pngwn | akuwamari. /msg chanserv help |
| 23:06.43 | mohamed | is there a another linux distro that be installed along with Windows2000 in one partition (FAT32)? |
| 23:06.46 | zmitya | is it possible that my 64 bit etch does not have mencoder package ? |
| 23:06.50 | mohamed | without booting |
| 23:07.04 | bolt | mohamed: the only way you're going to get any kind of linux distro onto that thing is to move the bloody harddrive to another computer. you can do that with a cheap adapter. they have them for like $5 at dealextreme.com. free shipping! go bloody buy one |
| 23:07.05 | amphi | mohamed: why not? if you have an adapter to connect the laptop hd to a desktop computer |
| 23:07.13 | jair | is there a channel in irc where people discuss about dhcp ? |
| 23:07.30 | mohamed | hmmmmmm |
| 23:07.48 | karsten | !tell zmitya about search |
| 23:07.57 | mohamed | i am a moroccan guys, no bank accout no visa card not able to buy anything!!!! |
| 23:08.03 | karsten | zmitya: Some of those codecs may be binary-specific, not sure. |
| 23:08.04 | mohamed | sorry, don't get mad at me |
| 23:08.08 | themill | mohamed: there's an old fashioned thing called umsdos. It might still work with modern kernels. |
| 23:08.15 | bolt | carbon_unit: read the manual, figure out how to start it with a password of your choice and the forever-option so it doesn't shut down when you disconnect from it, then stuff that into your .xsession or somewhere else appropriate |
| 23:08.17 | mohamed | i am just looking for help |
| 23:08.37 | mohamed | umsdos?? |
| 23:08.44 | mohamed | i will read about that |
| 23:08.49 | Tramp | bolt: they ship free to morocco? |
| 23:08.55 | mohamed | it looks old |
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| 23:09.11 | themill | mohamed: also look for lupin and/or lubi as a way of installing linux into a windoze partition |
| 23:09.11 | mohamed | i wanna graphical stuffs!!! |
| 23:09.12 | zmitya | karsten: I have already installed the mplayer package, but it does not ship mencoder somehow :( |
| 23:09.13 | amphi | mohamed: you could try goodbye-microsoft.com ;) |
| 23:09.13 | bolt | Tramp: anywhere, i think. they ship free to norway, for crying out loud. |
| 23:09.18 | mohamed | like dreamlinux!!! |
| 23:09.31 | zmitya | apt-file search did not find mencoder in the official repository |
| 23:09.34 | zmitya | why ? |
| 23:09.40 | Tramp | bolt: cool I have to check then 8) |
| 23:09.46 | themill | zmitya: it's in dmm. /msg dpkg dmme |
| 23:09.49 | zmitya | why did not they provide mencoder ? |
| 23:10.03 | bolt | Tramp: don't. too many cheap must-have gadgets. i ordered for a hundred bucks my first time there |
| 23:10.05 | karsten | zmitya: It's a debian-multimedia package. |
| 23:10.08 | mohamed | amphi when i installed i rebooted it needed instanat internet |
| 23:10.09 | karsten | !tell zmitya about marillat |
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| 23:10.16 | ericrw | hello |
| 23:10.20 | Cyberdyne__ | www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 23:10.23 | zmitya | karsten: hmm, thanks |
| 23:10.24 | themill | zmitya: It's patent encumbered. |
| 23:10.25 | carbon_unit | bolt: whay do you mean by "stuff that into your .xsession or somewhere else appropriate" |
| 23:10.28 | mohamed | amphi my machine couldn't find the modem |
| 23:10.45 | bolt | mohamed: if you want to play with linux on a machine with no possible way of installing it natively whatsoever, get Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 (you're on windows, right?) it's free. Download an iso and run whatever you want in a virtual machine. |
| 23:10.45 | Tramp | bolt: uh. Sounds dangerous - I'm easily convinced ... |
| 23:10.52 | amphi | mohamed: the laptop modem? |
| 23:10.57 | zmitya | ok, I think I got it, I just don't understand it :( |
| 23:11.09 | mohamed | amphi |
| 23:11.12 | mohamed | yes |
| 23:11.25 | amphi | mohamed: probably a stupid winmodem |
| 23:11.39 | bolt | carbon_unit: .xsession is a file with a bunch of commands that should run when X starts. should be in your home directory. if it isn't, make one. |
| 23:11.54 | amphi | mohamed: have a look at linux-laptop.net and/or tuxmobil.org for info on your laptop |
| 23:12.02 | mohamed | bolt: virtualbox is better since it is opensource, but i have got only 64MB of ram!!! |
| 23:12.03 | bolt | carbon_unit: also, if you run gnome or kde or anything with an internal autostart thing, you can put it there |
| 23:12.08 | ericrw | Anyone suggest how to fix my swap on boot? Swap is not activating on boot, even if I put 'swapon -a -v' in /etc/rc.local. It says that /dev/sda2 does not exist... however, if I login immediately afterwards, I can do 'swapon -a -v' and it works fine.... it is almost as if there is a race condition with udev which isn't creating the device nodes quickly enough |
| 23:12.14 | amphi | mohamed: also, IIRC, there is a 'laptop install' howto at tldp.org |
| 23:12.23 | bolt | mohamed: you have a paperweight. seriously. |
| 23:12.32 | mohamed | hahaha |
| 23:12.35 | mohamed | anyway |
| 23:12.48 | mohamed | amphi thanks very much |
| 23:12.56 | amphi | mohamed: good luck |
| 23:13.15 | mohamed | i like people who try to help other by all means |
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| 23:13.18 | davidwong | i'm trying to install a package. what doe sthis mean? This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package libdbi-perl has no installation candidate |
| 23:13.21 | mohamed | thanks man |
| 23:13.26 | bolt | let's sum it up, shall we? old laptop, 64mb ram, windows 2000, no cd-rom, no networking, no usb. paperweight. |
| 23:13.28 | davidwong | how do i tell it not to read from my CD ROM |
| 23:13.29 | mohamed | thanks everybody |
| 23:13.53 | karsten | ericrw: Could be. There's a sleep already in startup to allow udev to populate devices. Might try fussing with that. |
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| 23:14.12 | expose | where can i find out what's included in the "standard system" proposed during debian installation? |
| 23:14.29 | xlotlu | meh. why would nvidia-glx depend on x.org 1.4? |
| 23:14.31 | bolt | davidwong: what are you trying to install? which release of debian are you running? |
| 23:15.00 | bolt | xlotlu: wont have much use for that in the console... |
| 23:15.01 | themill | bolt: not paperweight, doorstop. |
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| 23:15.12 | davidwong | bolt, i'm using sarge.. |
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| 23:15.24 | SixT6 | themill: Don't think so, Sony products break easily |
| 23:15.29 | xlotlu | bolt: ? |
| 23:15.31 | davidwong | bolt. what do i put into /apt/source.list |
| 23:15.37 | themill | SixT6: ahh, of course. |
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| 23:16.20 | bolt | davidwong: try taking stuff out. if your standard response to everything you need is putting stuff into sources.list, you probably have a bunch of conflicts in there. |
| 23:16.22 | bolt | just a guess |
| 23:16.46 | bolt | you still haven't said what you're trying to install btw |
| 23:16.48 | davidwong | bolt. I don't have anything in there. except the CDROM: source and ultra monkey which i need |
| 23:17.02 | davidwong | bolt. this apt-get install ultramonkey libdbi-perl libdbd-mysql-perl libmysqlclient14-dev |
| 23:17.22 | davidwong | bolt. I need a sarge source to get the stuff |
| 23:17.42 | davidwong | how do i setup apt-get to look for a ftp for the source |
| 23:17.45 | davidwong | is it apt-get setup? |
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| 23:17.53 | bolt | apt-setup |
| 23:17.54 | SixT6 | themill: The hindenburg describes sony very good actually. Great, new inventions with loads of raw potential, which crash and burn before they become popular |
| 23:17.56 | dondelelcaro | davidwong: if you don't want it to read from your cdrom, remove the cdrom source. |
| 23:18.27 | dondelelcaro | davidwong: everything that is on the cdrom is also available via the mirrors, so there's no need to have it unless your network connection is slow. |
| 23:18.29 | jetscreamer | it's edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:18.35 | SixT6 | Now that's a sentence worth last place in a linguistic test |
| 23:18.37 | davidwong | dondel. yeah i know, but i only got one sources in there :) |
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| 23:18.50 | jetscreamer | however, everything in sources is by far not available on the cd |
| 23:18.52 | davidwong | i'm doing a apt-setup that is what i neeed to do.. thanks |
| 23:18.59 | jetscreamer | all cd's but not just one |
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| 23:19.12 | dondelelcaro | davidwong: apt-setup no longer exists in anything after sarge |
| 23:19.13 | davidwong | which http will have sarge sources? i tried debian.org it don't have it |
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| 23:19.26 | jetscreamer | !oldstable |
| 23:19.26 | dpkg | [oldstable] the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:19.29 | dondelelcaro | davidwong: any full mirror still has them. |
| 23:19.37 | ericrw | karsten: no sleep in there that I see, not in the shell scripts. I expect the race is more visible for us because we use virtual guests via Xen |
| 23:19.37 | jetscreamer | why sarge? |
| 23:19.42 | jetscreamer | woody>sarge |
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| 23:20.01 | dotCOMmie | automount doesnt work with a mtab thats symlinked to /proc/mount is there some hack around this? |
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| 23:20.02 | davidwong | I wanted to go with the new version 4. |
| 23:20.06 | dkr | greater in age. yeah :P |
| 23:20.08 | themill | jetscreamer: ? |
| 23:20.12 | dondelelcaro | davidwong: the new version is etch, not sarge. |
| 23:20.16 | jetscreamer | david-work: that's etch |
| 23:20.19 | ericrw | slink > * |
| 23:20.20 | jetscreamer | err |
| 23:20.20 | jetscreamer | wong |
| 23:20.33 | davidwong | yeah, i tried etch, but it didn't detect my HD :( |
| 23:20.38 | davidwong | that is so wired.. |
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| 23:20.44 | SixT6 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main |
| 23:20.53 | davidwong | thanks sixt6 i got it now |
| 23:20.53 | jetscreamer | !tell davidwong -about kmuto |
| 23:21.16 | jetscreamer | why do you think sarge will? |
| 23:21.22 | jetscreamer | you know sarge is older, right? |
| 23:21.23 | mra | Does anyone know if Ludovic Rousseau (rousseau@debian) hangs out here? |
| 23:21.26 | davidwong | how many mirror is good? |
| 23:21.39 | davidwong | 2 mirror is good? |
| 23:21.44 | themill | davidwong: 1 is enough. |
| 23:21.49 | davidwong | i see thx!! |
| 23:21.54 | dondelelcaro | davidwong: just pick a single one that is fast. Using ftp.debian.org is *not* fast. |
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| 23:22.00 | themill | davidwong: if it's a good mirror..... |
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| 23:22.08 | SixT6 | dondelelcaro: But it works |
| 23:22.17 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: for certain values of works. |
| 23:22.24 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 23:22.25 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 23:22.30 | dondelelcaro | davidwong: see above if you're lost. |
| 23:22.45 | themill | SixT6: ftp.debian.org is *not* the main debian source. It's just one overloaded mirror. |
| 23:22.55 | s[exe] | Mmm |
| 23:22.58 | davidwong | dondel. i got it . thanks!! |
| 23:23.02 | s[exe] | Engadget comments are so offensive sometimes... |
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| 23:23.05 | themill | SixT6: which is frequently lagging |
| 23:23.31 | davidwong | debian is nice :) |
| 23:23.35 | davidwong | better then centos? |
| 23:23.47 | davidwong | or you cannot compare it |
| 23:23.53 | themill | davidwong: very much better than centos |
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| 23:24.18 | SixT6 | themill: Wouldn't know, it's just what the installation puts in by default (atleast according to my memory), I always chose a local mirror |
| 23:25.23 | themill | SixT6: my memory is that the etch installer asks you to pick a mirror that's close from a regional list. But it's a long time since I did an etch install. |
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| 23:26.26 | jetscreamer | you sure you don't mean gentoo? |
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| 23:26.57 | jetscreamer | i just install stuff |
| 23:27.03 | themill | jetscreamer: almost as bad. |
| 23:27.08 | jetscreamer | even used apt-get for rpm once |
| 23:27.22 | karsten | themill: Note that CentOS is markedly *less* painful than actuall RHEL. |
| 23:27.29 | jetscreamer | yes...extremely |
| 23:27.36 | SixT6 | themill: You're probably right, I always do the expert install too so I wouldn't count on my memory myself |
| 23:27.39 | jetscreamer | they had rhel4 on it before the centos |
| 23:27.39 | themill | karsten: true... been there done that. |
| 23:27.45 | jetscreamer | it was always going down |
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| 23:27.57 | karsten | themill: It's a large part of my current hell. |
| 23:28.05 | xlotlu | umm.. apt-build world |
| 23:28.06 | themill | it's only things like the dag repos that make centos/rhel even moderately passable. |
| 23:28.25 | jetscreamer | alien :) |
| 23:30.55 | chops | themill: They're probably thinking the same thing :-) |
| 23:31.18 | themill | yeah.... I mean really... rpm5 != rpm4 + 1.... wtf? |
| 23:31.35 | chops | themill: FWIW, I think the key difference between Debian and the .rpm-based distros is that Debian puts a lot more time and energy into making quality packages |
| 23:31.37 | jetscreamer | more than i know about rpm :) |
| 23:31.59 | jetscreamer | ii don't use that server... i run bottu on it, that's all |
| 23:32.32 | themill | jetscreamer: it essentially doesn't have an upstream any more. Each rpm-based distro is contemplating various different incompatible tinkerings with it. Horrid. |
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| 23:32.44 | jetscreamer | i was gonna torrent out urbanterror, but no rtorrent :/ |
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| 23:33.18 | themill | jetscreamer: There has to be a temptation in debian to mark it "RC buggy, dead upstream" and remove it from the archive. Except that it's part of the lsb. |
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| 23:34.18 | snacky | alien is part of the lsb? |
| 23:35.03 | jetscreamer | !lsb |
| 23:35.03 | dpkg | it has been said that lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 23:35.18 | chops | snacky: rpm, presumably |
| 23:35.58 | jetscreamer | ah... so i should become dictator of the lsb |
| 23:36.18 | themill | yes! jetscreamer for lsb-dictator! |
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| 23:37.49 | jetscreamer | and forge a new horizon for the world domination of GNU/Linux |
| 23:38.13 | jetscreamer | (first campaign slogan) |
| 23:38.28 | jetscreamer | needs work... |
| 23:38.35 | themill | sounds too much like marketing bs |
| 23:38.54 | themill | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight |
| 23:38.54 | dpkg | themill: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 23:38.55 | jetscreamer | linux needs more marketing |
| 23:38.57 | snacky | needs more threats of violence |
| 23:39.17 | jetscreamer | pr |
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| 23:41.42 | spanther | hello there have followed a tutorial where they describe how i can bring to run my Hauppauge Nova-T USB stick and i have to build some code with make now it aborted and i dont know what packages i need to build make files right |
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| 23:44.18 | karsten | themill: The packaging _does_ have a lot to do with the quality of debs. RPM isn't an all-bad format, and has some interesting features, though the inability to pull it apart w/o RPM-specific tools is a major loser. Busybox or ar + tar + gunzip work for DEBs. |
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| 23:44.56 | trunix | to reconfigure x dpkg-reconfigure *? |
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| 23:45.12 | spanther | trunix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:45.19 | karsten | trunix: xserver-xorg |
| 23:45.23 | karsten | !drxx |
| 23:45.23 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:45.54 | trunix | k ty |
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| 23:46.34 | themill | karsten: very true on all counts. The speed, flexibility and polish of the tools surrounding it are part of the story too (svn-buildpackage etc). And the size of the repo for shear variety. |
| 23:47.00 | karsten | themill: The choir is enjoying the sermon immensely ;-) |
| 23:47.18 | spanther | karsten: may you say me how i can get "make" to run properly? :) |
| 23:47.35 | themill | karsten: yep... preaching to the converted is always so much easier |
| 23:47.47 | karsten | spanther: Fix your compile bugs ;-) |
| 23:47.53 | themill | heh |
| 23:48.02 | karsten | themill: Quiet. |
| 23:48.04 | spanther | karsten: i don't even know what you're talking about right now :) |
| 23:48.28 | karsten | spanther: Funny, that, neither do I. |
| 23:48.47 | themill | !b-e spanther |
| 23:48.47 | dpkg | spanther: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:48.59 | spanther | themill: that could be it hehe :) |
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| 23:49.17 | spanther | forgot about the package name |
| 23:49.29 | karsten | spanther: You're trying to build software. 'make' is failing. Fixing the specific issues indicated by 'make' (usually missing libs as suggested by themill) would be a good start. |
| 23:49.53 | karsten | spanther: try pasting the error output to a pastebin. *NOT* this channel. |
| 23:49.57 | karsten | !tell spanther about paste. |
| 23:50.06 | spanther | i know about paste allready :P |
| 23:50.08 | karsten | spanther: You can also use auto-apt to search for specific files. |
| 23:50.14 | karsten | spanther: Just covering my bases. |
| 23:50.21 | spanther | no problem ^^ |
| 23:51.09 | spanther | karsten: there my whole terminal :) http://paste.debian.net/48526 |
| 23:51.47 | karsten | spanther: 'export LANG=C' and re-run your make. My german's rusty. |
| 23:52.10 | spanther | i don't know how to do such a thing never exported some lang |
| 23:52.30 | karsten | spanther: Run 'export LANG=C' in the shell, then re-run 'make clean; make' |
| 23:52.49 | karsten | spanther: I think one of your problems is that make wants to run as root (stupid, stupid, stupid). |
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| 23:53.10 | spanther | karsten: oops :> okay lets try |
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| 23:53.24 | spanther | nope doesnt work as root either |
| 23:53.37 | karsten | First give me the output in English. |
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| 23:53.52 | karsten | You've got permissions problems on ./.version. Probably non-executable. |
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| 23:54.57 | jelly-home | stiv2k: not really, I just know there's a number of standard codes. |
| 23:55.00 | karsten | Where are these sources from? They want some weird things in weird places. Eg: your kernel config in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/build/.config. That's /boot/config-$( uname -r ) on Debian. |
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| 23:55.06 | spanther | http://paste.debian.net/48527 there karsten |
| 23:55.46 | spanther | i don't know i just installed fresh Debian 4.0r1 and upgraded to newest kernel |
| 23:55.55 | karsten | spanther: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb OK. |
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| 23:56.25 | jetscreamer | there's something in /lib/modules like a .config also i 'think' .. i noticed something very weird going on recently |
| 23:56.33 | leafwiz | I have a samba server, and i'm looking for a good log analyzer. |
| 23:56.35 | spanther | nice x.x |
| 23:56.46 | karsten | spanther: Um, what version is your kernel? Yes, the .config file *does* exist at /lib/modules/$( uname -r)/build/.config for me. |
| 23:56.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:57.09 | spanther | karsten: its 2.6.18-6-k7 |
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| 23:59.03 | karsten | spanther: Stock Debian or custom? Go through your make errors and resolve them one at a time. Check that that config file exists, if not, copy /boot/config-2.6.18-6-k7 to /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/build/.config |
| 23:59.16 | karsten | spanther: I can't hand-hold you through this, but that's the drill. |
| 23:59.40 | spanther | karsten: i said i installed fresh debian 4.0r1 and then i make this "theres an update" thing what switched to this kernel |
| 23:59.51 | spanther | made* |
