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| 00:00.16 | karsten | debian__: Once you've got the i18n framework in place, it's a lot easier to add other translations. |
| 00:00.24 | karsten | debian__: That's the major benefit. |
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| 00:00.43 | chops | debian__: If you asked nicely, the upstream developer might even consider doing the programming work for you if you provide the translations |
| 00:00.50 | lleksah | yeah PingFloyd is there, the troll can start |
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| 00:00.57 | debian__ | Then I will have made the first contribution to the debian comunity |
| 00:01.08 | chops | debian__: It may just be that he/she has not got any translated strings yet |
| 00:01.13 | lleksah | debian__, if you want to contribute, just bring along some norwegian girls |
| 00:01.16 | chops | debian__: Of course, it's always more reliable to do the work yourself :-) |
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| 00:05.14 | debian__ | So now I have to make someone teach me c++ |
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| 00:05.18 | debian__ | or c |
| 00:06.24 | dkr | or d |
| 00:06.54 | debian__ | dkr: d? |
| 00:07.40 | dkr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29 |
| 00:08.38 | dcnoye | when you do an aptitude search and the letter 'c' shows up beside the package what does that mean ? |
| 00:08.53 | xand | !badblocks |
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| 00:09.27 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:10.33 | jeffwheeler | What do users on Debian generally use for alarm clock software in GNOME? |
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| 00:11.07 | debian__ | I washed, and dryed my usb stick. Now debian doesnt recognize it. Any software I can install? |
| 00:11.48 | jeffwheeler | debian__: did dmesg contain anything? |
| 00:11.49 | Spreadsheet | you put ur usb in the washer? |
| 00:11.50 | azeem | debian__: sounds like a hardware problem, rather |
| 00:12.01 | tingle | hello, when i kill xorg i see all kinds of fluxbox related errors in the "start terminal" is it possible to grab them? i would like google them |
| 00:12.07 | debian__ | Spreadsheet: Yes, i left it in my pocket. |
| 00:12.26 | Spreadsheet | wow... |
| 00:12.40 | jeffwheeler | debian__: check `dmesg` after you plug it in, and see if it contains anything about the drive |
| 00:13.52 | debian__ | I got a bunch of this: smb_add_request: request [c5ca2ee0, mid=1259] timed out! |
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| 00:15.39 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, wouldn't "smb" be samba-related stuff? If you don't see any USB-related stuff, it may not even be seen at all, unfortunately. |
| 00:16.02 | dondelelcaro | tingle: if you're using startx or similar, they're usually put into .xsession-errors |
| 00:16.19 | debian__ | jeffwheeler: It was a lot of it... |
| 00:16.30 | azeem | debian__: check at the end of the dmesg output |
| 00:16.42 | tingle | dondelelcaro: in home? |
| 00:16.44 | debian__ | There is only the smb stuff |
| 00:17.00 | azeem | then the stick is non-functional |
| 00:17.13 | azeem | tingle: yes |
| 00:17.30 | debian__ | azeem: What a suprise, I washed and dryed it. |
| 00:17.47 | azeem | debian__: so why are you asking in the first place? |
| 00:18.06 | debian__ | azeem: So someone could send me some cool software! |
| 00:18.17 | tingle | azeem: there issnt a .xsessions-errors or something similar in home. do i need to enable a logfunction? |
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| 00:18.28 | azeem | debian__: how is cool software related to a broken usb stick? |
| 00:18.45 | azeem | tingle: note that .foo files are not shown by default, they are hidden |
| 00:18.53 | debian__ | azeem: Some software that replace the stick! |
| 00:18.56 | azeem | try "cat ~/.xsession-errors" |
| 00:19.06 | azeem | debian__: how can software replace hardware? |
| 00:19.29 | debian__ | azeem: Like an ftp server could have the same features as an usb stick |
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| 00:20.11 | azeem | debian__: then maybe you should ask your real question and stop mentioning your usb stick |
| 00:20.34 | debian__ | azeem: Or maybe you should read between the lines |
| 00:21.00 | p1l6r1m | debian__, ? |
| 00:21.34 | debian__ | p1l6r1m, ? |
| 00:22.30 | p1l6r1m | debian__, man, if you have a doubt, just ask and i believe people will be glad to help you. |
| 00:23.02 | debian__ | p1l6r1m: Do you want to localize rtorrent? |
| 00:23.47 | debian__ | can anyone localize rtorrent? |
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| 00:24.24 | nepbabu | debian__, why don't you ask translaters? they could do it. |
| 00:24.45 | debian__ | nepbabu: Can translaters edit the source code? |
| 00:25.06 | nepbabu | debian__, they could. |
| 00:25.13 | nepbabu | debian__, have you asked them first? |
| 00:25.23 | tingle | i just installed firefox 3 beta to see what its like i really like it and would love to use it some more but something goes wrong whit installing the flash plugin automaticly is there a way to do in manualy? |
| 00:25.33 | debian__ | Where are they? |
| 00:25.54 | abrotman | tingle: try dropping the .so in the plugins folder but they might not be compatible |
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| 00:27.09 | Papptiger | is there a problem with the us servers for apt? I got connection problems and now warnings about failed package authentication |
| 00:28.20 | Wyzard | Papptiger: That happens occasionally when the mirror is in the middle of syncing |
| 00:28.24 | Wyzard | Papptiger: Try again later |
| 00:28.41 | nepbabu | !info apt-spy |
| 00:28.46 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-18 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | Papptiger: or use a different mirror |
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| 00:29.34 | ruxpin_ | I'm having trouble with tomcat that I need to restart while doing some development. however the TCP port isn't always freed up (says address in use). why is the address taken even if the process has been killed? |
| 00:29.59 | Papptiger | ah ok, thx guys |
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| 00:41.37 | |2yan | is there a program to compare two files for similarities/differences? |
| 00:41.45 | |2yan | text files, that is |
| 00:41.52 | Wyzard | |2yan: man diff |
| 00:41.56 | nepbabu | diff |
| 00:42.45 | Manfre_ | i'm trying to install etch on to a system with a sata hdd and a sata dvdr. I can get to the gui installer, but it fails to detect the dvd drive |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 00:43.19 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 00:43.40 | |2yan | cool... also, is there a way to probe which network driver a motherboard with an onboard eth interface needs, or do i need to physically see the motherboard? |
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| 00:45.58 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 00:45.59 | dpkg | i guess driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
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| 00:47.02 | nevyn | Manfre_: at the boot prompt type linux|expert|install libata.atapi_enable=1 |
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| 00:47.13 | nevyn | to enable atapi sata device support in the installer |
| 00:47.40 | Manfre_ | thank you |
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| 00:48.05 | nevyn | I can't remeber what the kernel is called on the install disk but you get the point |
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| 00:50.11 | Manfre_ | "unknown parameter 'atapi_enable' |
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| 00:50.47 | nevyn | Manfre_: sorry.. enabled |
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| 00:50.53 | nevyn | libata.atapi_enabled |
| 00:50.56 | nevyn | libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 00:51.05 | Manfre_ | k |
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| 00:52.44 | eldowan | I've a laptop with an ipw2200 wlan card. The system sees the card, but the killswitch is on. I'm having no luck trying to flip the killswitch, and thus can't use wireless. Can someone possibly lend a hand and help me figure this thing out? HP nc8230 |
| 00:53.41 | abrotman | eldowan: is the firmware there? |
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| 00:53.52 | abrotman | eldowan: and please don't cross post |
| 00:54.18 | eldowan | abrotman: yes, and OK |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | by "sees" what do you mean? |
| 00:55.05 | eldowan | abrotman: hwinfo --wlan provides information on it, dmesg complains about the killswitch. |
| 00:55.22 | abrotman | does dmesg see it ? |
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| 00:56.19 | eldowan | abrotman: during the boot process? yes. I'll put a pastebin together with the output of hwinfo, lspci, and dmesg if you like. |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | lspci and dmesg |
| 00:56.54 | eldowan | abrotman: lspci -v? dmesg | grep ipw2200? or defaults on both? |
| 00:57.03 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | oh .. and which debian ? |
| 00:57.25 | eldowan | abrotman: lenny. installed last night |
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| 00:57.57 | JordanC | Hey there folks :) |
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| 01:00.53 | eldowan | abrotman: lspci -nn & dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/896901 |
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| 01:03.34 | NeoLobster | Hey - Does anyone have a good resource (or a quick solution) for enabling framebuffer on my console? |
| 01:03.47 | NeoLobster | I searched around a bit, and nothing really came up |
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| 01:03.51 | abrotman | eldowan: did you configure it yet? |
| 01:04.04 | eldowan | abrotman: I don't understand the question. |
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| 01:07.04 | jetscreamer | NeoLobster: did you put vga=0x318 (or whichever) ... |
| 01:07.15 | jetscreamer | !framebuffer |
| 01:07.15 | dpkg | from memory, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 01:07.19 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 01:07.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 01:07.30 | jetscreamer | !fbcon |
| 01:07.30 | dpkg | well, fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution> |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | done? :) |
| 01:07.56 | jetscreamer | not really |
| 01:08.00 | jetscreamer | but i stopped... :) |
| 01:09.02 | Manfre_ | no luck with libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 01:09.41 | Manfre_ | would it be possible to select one manually? |
| 01:09.48 | NeoLobster | jetscreamer: where is the grub config in debian? |
| 01:10.19 | eldowan | NeoLobster: /boot/grub/menu.list ? |
| 01:10.28 | NeoLobster | oh, I didn't look in /boot :-P |
| 01:10.30 | NeoLobster | only /etc |
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| 01:10.43 | streuner | yeah, an exeption |
| 01:11.36 | streuner | but, if you using grub, you should be familar with your bootloader, its important |
| 01:11.54 | NeoLobster | I'm familiar with grub - but only from gentoo - where the file was in /etc |
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| 01:12.09 | debian__ | NeoLobster: Is gentoo any good? |
| 01:12.15 | NeoLobster | debian__: not anymore |
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| 01:12.25 | streuner | well, iam only familar with lilo, god bless me if something goes wrong on my laptop...;-) |
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| 01:12.32 | debian__ | NeoLobster: It has gotten worse? |
| 01:12.52 | NeoLobster | debian__: I dunno - something about not being able to install binaries kind of upsets me |
| 01:13.14 | debian__ | So you cant install executabole files? |
| 01:13.14 | jetscreamer | you can install anything you want |
| 01:13.15 | streuner | lol |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | debian__: ask #gentoo .. this is #debian |
| 01:13.24 | streuner | jetscreamer: sure :-) |
| 01:13.30 | NeoLobster | compiling everything turned me off - when I met Debian, and he said "Hey, I can install binaries instead of compiling everything from source" |
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| 01:13.39 | streuner | abrotman: its another one... |
| 01:13.41 | NeoLobster | and I never looked back |
| 01:13.53 | streuner | !gentoosmite NeoLobster |
| 01:13.58 | sco50000 | hmm, in the terminal, i have a file with an accented A in it, but it shouws up as a ? mark. also, i can't type in the name, so i can't remove it |
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| 01:14.15 | NeoLobster | that sums up my feelings perfectly. |
| 01:14.23 | streuner | NeoLobster: pure binaries are evil ™ |
| 01:14.31 | NeoLobster | lol |
| 01:14.36 | NeoLobster | is taht what they say? |
| 01:14.37 | debian__ | Debian is busting my eyes... |
| 01:14.57 | hughw | hi all. How di I install the C header files for my kernal so that the directory /usr/src/linux/include becomes available? |
| 01:14.59 | streuner | NeoLobster: debs are fine |
| 01:15.00 | NeoLobster | waiting 30 hours to install X because I'm running it on a computer with 256MB of RAM is evil (TM(TM) |
| 01:15.13 | hughw | ouch NeoLobster |
| 01:15.21 | hughw | !header |
| 01:15.32 | streuner | !listkeys header |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | hughw: libc6-dev or linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 01:15.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'header' by key (4): linux-kernel-headers ;; kernel headers ;; _default kernel headers ;; forging headers. |
| 01:15.41 | hughw | abrotman, merci |
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| 01:16.34 | dansushi | anyone here know why alt-tab would suddenly stop working? |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | sco50000: please don't cross post |
| 01:16.39 | NeoLobster | LOL I just did something stupid. |
| 01:16.43 | abrotman | dansushi: your WM or DE decided to intercept it |
| 01:16.51 | NeoLobster | I edited the grub config, but didn't run grub :-P |
| 01:16.54 | synx | Without source it's hard to do introspection, and that generally leads to it being "hard to configure". That's why it's important to have the source package just in case. Debian defaults to the binary one, whereas Gentoo defaults to the source, is the only difference I noticed. That an Gentoo has no binary mirrors. |
| 01:17.01 | dansushi | abrotman: how would i fix it? i use kde |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | NeoLobster: so? |
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| 01:17.09 | abrotman | dansushi: no idea .. ask #debian-kde |
| 01:17.17 | hughw | NeoLobster, no need to rub grub |
| 01:17.20 | sco50000 | abrotman: why does debian have 2 channel's on seperate servers anyway? and sorry, i didn't know that wasn't allowed |
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| 01:17.22 | hughw | run grub |
| 01:17.28 | hughw | !grub |
| 01:17.28 | dpkg | [grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr>. |
| 01:17.34 | synx | dansushi: What window manager? I'd check fluxkeys personally :p |
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| 01:17.56 | dansushi | synx: sorry, fluxkeys? I don't know about that |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | sco50000: tried typing the first few letters and hitting tab ? |
| 01:18.03 | abrotman | dansushi: that's for fluxbox |
| 01:18.09 | dansushi | ah |
| 01:18.16 | dansushi | well, i'm using kde.... |
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| 01:19.19 | synx | I dunno kde, sorry |
| 01:19.30 | NeoLobster | also, I have a software raid array that won't die. How do I get rid of it? I tried doing mdadm --remove on it, but nothing happened |
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| 01:20.31 | jetscreamer | just toss the hard drives out the windows or something.. problem solved. |
| 01:21.19 | NeoLobster | ha - well the problem is... |
| 01:21.24 | NeoLobster | it failed being created with mdadm |
| 01:21.30 | NeoLobster | but for some reason it starts and stops on boot |
| 01:22.08 | eldowan | abrotman: do you think that trying the ipw2200 modules for 2.6 from etch might work? |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | not likely |
| 01:23.51 | eldowan | abrotman: hmm. Last night I was reading at ip2200.sf.net that the official ieee80211 subsystem provided by the official kernel is not compatable with the ipw2200. Does debian use the updated ieee80211? |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | no idea |
| 01:24.41 | NeoLobster | lol - purging the package for mdadm did the trick |
| 01:24.51 | eldowan | aah. might you be willing to help me try to install the intel recommended sw? I tried last night, and couldn't get anywhere. |
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| 01:27.06 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 01:27.06 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
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| 01:27.55 | eldowan | abrotman: I've got the firmware in /lib/firmware |
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| 01:31.08 | abrotman | eldowan: ifconfig -a .. how many do you see ? |
| 01:31.35 | eldowan | abrotman: I swear, I check 15 minutes ago and had eht1 and lo, now I have eth2 |
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| 01:31.50 | abrotman | eldowan: enjoy |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | eldowan: you might want to reboot and see what happens |
| 01:32.21 | eldowan | abrotman: thats my next step. network manager still doesn't see it though. reboot time |
| 01:32.49 | nevyn | Manfre_: working now? |
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| 01:32.52 | abrotman | i don't know anything about NM .. i'm not even sure if i use it :) |
| 01:33.05 | nevyn | I like NM |
| 01:33.12 | nevyn | particularly for wireless |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | eh .. mine works .. no issues .. not sure what NM does over the interfaces file :) |
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| 01:36.05 | eldowan | well, I have no idea how i brought eth2 to show, but its gone now. grr |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | eldowan: put it back! |
| 01:36.52 | eldowan | thanks, I'll do just that. |
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| 01:38.09 | eldowan | abrotman: and now my wireless switch works! woohoo. |
| 01:38.15 | abrotman | switch ? |
| 01:38.18 | eldowan | It didn't last night. Really. |
| 01:38.27 | eldowan | abrotman: the button above the keyboard. last night it did nothing. |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:38.46 | eldowan | now it blinks blue. and when its blinking, eth2 is present. |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | damn HP |
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| 01:39.01 | eldowan | and wireless shows up. |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | eldowan: this is good? |
| 01:39.20 | eldowan | I just wish it was as easy as the nc8430 I installed last night. it worked out of the box. |
| 01:39.28 | eldowan | abrotman: I would hope it is good. trying to associate now. |
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| 01:40.15 | eldowan | abrotman: I still don't know what did it, but thanks for helping and it works lovely now. |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | eldowan: glad to not do anything useful |
| 01:41.09 | eldowan | well, maybe you can point me in the direction on how to configure for wpa? that would be useful (to me atleast) |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | man iwconfig ? |
| 01:41.33 | eldowan | i've got wpa-supplicant, so I assume I'm good. |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | my card only supports wep |
| 01:42.31 | eldowan | aah, ok then. I'll check it out in a few hours when I get home. I like your factoid btw. |
| 01:42.44 | johndoevodka | are these repos enough http://paste.debian.net/48751 ? |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | eldowan: my factoid ? |
| 01:43.00 | debian__ | abrotman: Does the wifi card have to support the encryption protocoll? |
| 01:43.04 | abrotman | johndoevodka: non-us is dead |
| 01:43.07 | eldowan | !abrotman |
| 01:43.07 | dpkg | methinks abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour, or one of the few nicks you can complete with left hand and four presses |
| 01:43.08 | johndoevodka | meh |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | debian__: i guess so .. |
| 01:43.20 | abrotman | johndoevodka: other than that .. looks okay |
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| 01:43.45 | abrotman | oh .. i don't thikn there's a deb-src for security.debian.org |
| 01:43.54 | debian__ | I thought it was software based... |
| 01:44.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there is |
| 01:44.02 | eldowan | johndoevodka: I believe its recommended to use your country specific debian.org mirror. |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah okay .. i thought they went to the regular source archives |
| 01:44.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah; they have to distribute the source from the same place to satisify the licenses on some of the packages in main |
| 01:44.39 | eldowan | johndoevodka: for me its ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | oh .. gotcha .. |
| 01:44.49 | johndoevodka | another question, i just installed a brand new lenny fresh from debian.org. when i CTRL+ALT+F1 there it says lenny/sid |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:45.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: (and there's no real support for saying "get diff.gz and .dsc here, tarball there") |
| 01:45.04 | johndoevodka | wtf is that |
| 01:45.11 | johndoevodka | it didnt say it before |
| 01:45.15 | dondelelcaro | johndoevodka: that's normal |
| 01:45.31 | johndoevodka | now i got lenny AND sid ?? |
| 01:45.32 | dondelelcaro | johndoevodka: until we close in on the release, the /etc/debian-version is set to that string |
| 01:45.47 | dondelelcaro | johndoevodka: no, it's just that it can't discern there between you having lenny or sid. |
| 01:46.04 | dondelelcaro | (since the difference between the two is normally slightly more than 10 days) |
| 01:46.27 | johndoevodka | before reinstall, i did aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 01:46.37 | johndoevodka | i think that broke some programs |
| 01:46.41 | dondelelcaro | johndoevodka: yes... that has nothing to do with it |
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| 01:46.49 | johndoevodka | thats why i reinstalled |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | johndoevodka: there is a croatia mirror |
| 01:47.17 | johndoevodka | abrotman: i know there is, i used it once and had gotten old package :-/ |
| 01:47.24 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:47.24 | johndoevodka | abrotman: never again |
| 01:47.35 | abrotman | there's actually four of them |
| 01:48.07 | johndoevodka | dont care man, had enough problems before because of repos ill just stick with the 'main' one |
| 01:49.09 | dondelelcaro | uh... all mirrors have main; some are just out of date (and the mirrors listing even tells you about them) |
| 01:49.38 | dondelelcaro | the most authoritative mirrors are the central push mirrors, but even they can get out of date occasionally |
| 01:49.40 | abrotman | no .. he means ftp.debian.org instead of a secondary or tertiary mirror |
| 01:49.48 | dondelelcaro | ftp.debian.org is a secondary mirror |
| 01:50.12 | abrotman | use the .gov .. get your tax dollars back .. or something |
| 01:50.17 | johndoevodka | :D |
| 01:50.46 | Gun_Smoke | I'm waiting for my boyfriend to get home to start the "tools" or whatever that is. But I can't use the mouse and some graphics are messed up. He said he's installed them but they need to be started in a terminal? Can someone tell me what to do? I want to use kubuntu? |
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| 01:51.58 | dondelelcaro | Gun_Smoke: if you're using or want to use Kubuntu, we can't help you here, unfortunatly. Try asking in #ubuntu or #kubuntu (if it exists) |
| 01:53.05 | Gun_Smoke | He said just click on the tab that's open and they might help. Oh wait.. he said vmware. |
| 01:53.19 | johndoevodka | when doing "aptitude install synaptic" i get no candidate version |
| 01:53.26 | johndoevodka | hahaha |
| 01:53.54 | Gun_Smoke | Is this irc? |
| 01:53.59 | debian__ | Yes |
| 01:54.03 | debian__ | This is irc. |
| 01:54.11 | johndoevodka | no this is xchat |
| 01:54.17 | dondelelcaro | johndoevodka: that means that there's no version that it is able to install in testing, though almost certainly that's your sources.list being out of date. |
| 01:54.40 | Gun_Smoke | Let me call him and ask.. |
| 01:54.47 | johndoevodka | dondelelcaro: aptitude update fixed it :) |
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| 01:55.36 | johndoevodka | dondelelcaro: apparently, 'http://ftp.debian.org/debian' isnt good enough for apt. he wants 'http://ftp.debian.org/debian/' |
| 01:55.49 | johndoevodka | the / (slash) |
| 01:56.06 | stiv2k | wtf? |
| 01:56.10 | stiv2k | is the pirate bay down? |
| 01:56.22 | dondelelcaro | johndoevodka: that doesn't matter unless you're doing something strange in your source.list |
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| 01:57.04 | abrotman | stiv2k: wrong channel |
| 01:57.08 | dondelelcaro | (the only place it matters is in the [distribution] section of sources.list) |
| 01:57.09 | synx | stiv2k: Stopped responding to me a few days ago. Is it still down? |
| 01:57.15 | stiv2k | synx: appears to be.. |
| 01:57.21 | Gun_Smoke | hahaha.. He said I need to ask how to start vmwaretools but not to ask in debian because they might be mean to you. ask in vmware. Are you people mean? |
| 01:57.26 | dondelelcaro | folks, the pirate bay isn't on topic here. |
| 01:57.33 | johndoevodka | dondelelcaro: youre probably right, i think it didnt update good last time |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: please ask #vmware |
| 01:57.42 | zinx | dondelelcaro: it isn't on topic for the entire network, in fact ;) |
| 01:57.42 | dondelelcaro | Gun_Smoke: we can be, but we've got nothing to do with #vmware or #kubuntu. |
| 01:57.46 | stiv2k | we're not discussing warez =/ |
| 01:57.50 | deadcat | what do i use to open xls files? |
| 01:57.57 | stiv2k | i dont see any problem |
| 01:57.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: gnumeric, xls2csv, etc. |
| 01:58.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oo.org dont work? |
| 01:58.08 | Gun_Smoke | How do I do that? |
| 01:58.12 | synx | Gun_Smoke: What are you trying to do with your computer? Run a program or something? |
| 01:58.13 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: sure, it does. |
| 01:58.14 | johndoevodka | Gun_Smoke: ppl here hate hearing non-debian related questions |
| 01:58.23 | eldowan | Gun_Smoke: /j #vmware |
| 01:58.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: it asks for filter selection. |
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| 01:58.51 | abrotman | deadcat: is it really an xls file? |
| 01:58.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: well, are you sure it's an xls file? |
| 01:58.59 | synx | Ah, nothing like a good chilling effect to start your morning. |
| 01:59.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: file says its ms office doc. |
| 01:59.39 | synx | Gun_Smoke: It depends what you want to do. I'm not sure of your situation. |
| 01:59.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: run the first few hundred bytes through hexdump -C just to verify |
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| 02:00.17 | Gun_Smoke | My boyfriend has set up the computer so I can use kubuntu because I like the way the menus are. He likes debian. But he isn't home and has set it up so I can use it in a vmserver? But he said on the phone that I need to start vmtools or something so the mouse works right. I don't know how to do that. |
| 02:00.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: k |
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| 02:00.57 | johndoevodka | how do i find out which version of gcc was used to compile my kernel |
| 02:01.06 | zinx | cat /proc/version |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: in your irc client .. type "/join #vmware" .. ask them |
| 02:01.12 | johndoevodka | thanks |
| 02:01.37 | Gun_Smoke | "/join #vmware" |
| 02:01.46 | eldowan | Gun_Smoke: no quotes |
| 02:02.03 | nepbabu | hi Gun_Smoke |
| 02:02.03 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: it says ms excel |
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| 02:02.14 | Gun_Smoke | hi |
| 02:02.20 | johndoevodka | you think shes a blondie? |
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| 02:03.02 | timlarson | my brother installed debian on a mac notebook... |
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| 02:03.22 | synx | I've never used vmware, sorry. I didn't know you could (or would) emulate one Linux distribution with another one. |
| 02:03.22 | timlarson | the ethernet network interface looks like it is up (looking with ifconfig) |
| 02:03.23 | Gun_Smoke | I did the join #vmware thing and nothing happened. |
| 02:03.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i'll try catdoc |
| 02:03.36 | nepbabu | Gun_Smoke, /join #vmware |
| 02:03.41 | timlarson | but no pings succeed in either direction between it and a mac with osx on it. |
| 02:03.42 | Gun_Smoke | I did |
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| 02:03.43 | eldowan | nepbabu: she's there. |
| 02:03.50 | nepbabu | ok |
| 02:03.52 | eldowan | Gun_Smoke: what are you using to talk in IRC? |
| 02:04.07 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it says "Microsoft Excel" at the start, right? |
| 02:04.07 | Gun_Smoke | Little orange guy.. I don't know. |
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| 02:04.18 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: not the start. near the end |
| 02:04.18 | timlarson | any ideas why the pings would fail? these are connected with a cable straight between them. |
| 02:04.22 | eldowan | do you see a tab that says #vmware ? |
| 02:04.32 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the start is the key |
| 02:04.35 | Gun_Smoke | Oh yeah.. hold on.. |
| 02:04.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: (or at offset 2080) |
| 02:04.52 | dg1 | I'm having problems build the subversion with dpkg-buildpackage which happens because parts of the built perl bindins are in tmp/usr/local and parts are in tmp/usr |
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| 02:05.06 | dg1 | bloody typos, damnit |
| 02:05.08 | arcticpenguin380 | is debian bleeding edge |
| 02:05.12 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: just used xls2csv instead. )= |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | arcticpenguin380: there are different versions of debian |
| 02:06.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://deadcat.freeshell.org/tmp/race%202008.xls |
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| 02:06.30 | spx2 | I want to code qt4 |
| 02:06.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, that's an excel document; gnumeric and/or xls2csv should open it |
| 02:06.36 | spx2 | but I have only qt3 |
| 02:06.40 | spx2 | because of kde |
| 02:06.46 | spx2 | can I get some help installing qt ? |
| 02:06.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. xls2csv opened it but it doesnt looko good (= |
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| 02:08.33 | timlarson | so if the ip and netmask are set right, and the ethernet interface looks like it is up, why would no pings get through? |
| 02:09.20 | abrotman | bad route? |
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| 02:09.59 | abrotman | spx2: apt-cache search libqt4 |
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| 02:10.27 | cast | heh, just read this random comment, made me cringe D: 'Consider Debian systems, no root user, instead use sudo, vs. RPM type systems which have a root user with a different password to the ordinary user.' |
| 02:10.49 | dg1 | I'm encountering the "./debian/tmp/usr/lib/perl5: no such file or directory" issue when trying to build subversion debs via dpkg-buildpackage, any clue? |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | cast: are you and Azar sharing a news source? |
| 02:11.20 | spx2 | abrotman, where can I paste its output ? |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | spx2: why do i want the output ? |
| 02:11.32 | timlarson | route on the linux box: dest: localnet gw: * mask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:11.37 | cast | evidently! |
| 02:11.39 | spx2 | abrotman, because its big |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | spx2: i don't want it . install what you need |
| 02:11.49 | spx2 | abrotman, mainly stuff about dependencies |
| 02:11.54 | dondelelcaro | cast: that's rather amusing, as Debian doesn't even install sudo by default... |
| 02:12.05 | akuwamari | is there any channel to talk about wall street drop ? |
| 02:12.07 | spx2 | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/nQNRhH14.html |
| 02:12.16 | dondelelcaro | akuwamari: #politics is probably the closest |
| 02:12.26 | timlarson | does that route look ok, for hitting another machine that is cross-over cabled to another machine? |
| 02:12.27 | dondelelcaro | akuwamari: and if not, they'd be able to point you at a better one than I can |
| 02:12.45 | greatman1 | what is the best and smartest torrent program? like scam bandwidth etc? :D thank you |
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| 02:13.59 | spx2 | abrotman, ? |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | spx2: what? |
| 02:14.09 | spx2 | abrotman, what can I do ? |
| 02:14.19 | abrotman | spx2: install the libqt4 libraries and dev stuff that you need |
| 02:14.31 | spx2 | abrotman, but I got the conflicts I gave you in the link |
| 02:14.55 | spx2 | abrotman, aptitude doesnt want to settle them by itself |
| 02:15.25 | dondelelcaro | spx2: you're mixing and matching distributions, which just won't work. |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | spx2: looks like you're mixing versions of debian |
| 02:15.49 | dondelelcaro | spx2: add back the sources.list entry for whatever you used to install the 2.14.0-2 version of libglib2.0 et al, and things will work again. |
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| 02:16.30 | RyanRyan52 | what is the package that has all of the 2 and 3 section man pages? |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | all? |
| 02:16.46 | spx2 | dondelelcaro, what should I do ? |
| 02:16.50 | dondelelcaro | RyanRyan52: manpages-dev has most of them. |
| 02:16.58 | RyanRyan52 | thanks |
| 02:17.01 | dondelelcaro | spx2: I told you... |
| 02:17.14 | dondelelcaro | spx2: "18:15:49 <dondelelcaro> spx2: add back the sources.list entry for whatever you used to install the 2.14.0-2 version of libglib2.0 et al" |
| 02:17.16 | spx2 | dondelelcaro, I cant remember that entry |
| 02:17.48 | RyanRyan52 | /wc/wc |
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| 02:18.00 | spx2 | dondelelcaro, what can I do ? |
| 02:18.17 | dondelelcaro | spx2: considering that it's > than the version that's in sarge, you can either finish the upgrade to testing, or you can downgrade those packages. It's your choice. |
| 02:18.34 | dondelelcaro | the former is trivial, but the later is more stable, but not something that I'm interested in walking you through |
| 02:18.42 | spx2 | dondelelcaro, what can I do so that I finish the problem very fast |
| 02:19.34 | johndoevodka | nighty night all |
| 02:19.43 | spx2 | dondelelcaro, I dont understand why I cant find qmake |
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| 02:21.39 | smacnay | Is there a tool to search for a "word" inside nested directory .tar.bz2 files? |
| 02:21.45 | smacnay | Can tar do this? |
| 02:23.37 | spx2 | smacnay, why dont you unpack them and use grep -r "word" * ? |
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| 02:24.45 | smacnay | spx2, thanks - I can do that. |
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| 02:27.30 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: you can just use bzgrep, actually |
| 02:27.39 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: unless you want to know where in the tarball there's a match |
| 02:28.22 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, not yet , only if I find a match - then I will worry about where. |
| 02:28.31 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: yeah, the bzgrep is the easy way |
| 02:28.42 | dondelelcaro | (probably even bzgrep -q) |
| 02:29.32 | spx2 | dondelelcaro, I've searched for qmake,it seems to be in package libqt4-dev but Ive installed that and I cant find the binary on my machine |
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| 02:35.11 | dondelelcaro | spx2: dpkg -L libqt4-dev |
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| 02:37.16 | spx2 | dondelelcaro, nevermind ,my head is about to explode if I can't get it done by compiling the source code which trolltech offers freely |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | spx2: what are you trying to compile? |
| 02:37.49 | spx2 | abrotman, I just want to be able to use qt for C++ development |
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| 02:37.55 | spx2 | abrotman, for that I need libqt4 |
| 02:38.05 | spx2 | abrotman, and I wanted to install from packages |
| 02:38.15 | spx2 | abrotman, but qmake doesnt seem to get installed if I instlal libqt4 |
| 02:38.16 | Manfre | i have a debian installed, but am unable to start x...i have a nvidia 8600gt (10de:0402) |
| 02:38.31 | spx2 | Manfre, check your xorg.conf |
| 02:38.33 | Manfre | i get an error "no devices detected" |
| 02:38.49 | Manfre | there is a devices section with driver "nv" |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | spx2: dpkg -L libqt4-dev | grep bin |
| 02:40.18 | spx2 | abrotman, I've just uninstalled libqt4-dev |
| 02:40.35 | abrotman | that seems counterproductive |
| 02:40.53 | spx2 | abrotman, I have tried to see where qmake lies in the packages with packages.debian.net wich you also suggested some time ago and I have seen that libqt4-dev has in it the binary qmake |
| 02:41.06 | spx2 | abrotman, so the answer to your command above would have probably included qmake |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | which is what you;re looking for |
| 02:41.50 | spx2 | abrotman, but if I write qmake at console I get "no command ..." |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | is it installed or not? |
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| 02:42.31 | spx2 | abrotman, when it was installed earlier I can guarantee that this happened ... |
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| 02:43.34 | abrotman | spx2: you're defintely not going to have it if the package isn't installed |
| 02:43.53 | spx2 | abrotman, a moment ago it was installed and qmake was not to be found anywhere |
| 02:44.05 | spx2 | abrotman, I've tried with locate and also find / | grep qmake |
| 02:44.05 | abrotman | spx2: you're defintely not going to have it if the package isn't installed |
| 02:44.07 | spx2 | abrotman, no luck |
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| 02:46.58 | Tapout | god dammit my machine keeps kernel panic'n .. every week the machine goes down and it's always the same message. I've searched google with 0 suggestions, anyone know what particular message I should write down? |
| 02:47.06 | Tapout | the Aeiii message? |
| 02:47.19 | Tapout | Kernel Panic, not syncing... aeiii something ... I gotta go write it down again |
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| 02:51.34 | spx2 | Tapout, check your syslog ? |
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| 03:02.17 | Tapout | spx2, the panic messages never make it to syslog, only to console |
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| 03:03.34 | teer | does anyone of an ISP status report system? I'm looking for some simple code that can display emergency maintenance, downtime, etc. google didn't turn up anything interesting :) |
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| 03:04.13 | at-starbucks | hey all |
| 03:04.22 | synx | teer: Depends on how the ISP connects to you. Not much diagnostics can be learned though, without a working network connection. |
| 03:04.44 | at-starbucks | anyone here running deb on an XO laptop? |
| 03:04.52 | at-starbucks | i'm on mine now |
| 03:05.44 | synx | teer: Mostly it's just the lights on your DSL modem, or whatnot. :/ Or call them on the telephone if it's not Ma Bell. |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | synx: i think he's running the ISP |
| 03:06.19 | eldowan | why is it, as a user, I can make a process more nice to the limit, but can't renice to a higher value, which is lower than its default? |
| 03:07.22 | synx | Oh, oops. |
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| 03:12.43 | Manfre | how do i install libc header files? I need them to install nvidia drivers |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:13.05 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 03:13.42 | Manfre | thanks |
| 03:14.19 | teer | synx, I think I didn't explain myself well. I'm looking for software that I can use to display the status of the network, myself being an ISP. Ex: http://rimuhosting.com/maintenance.jsp but I want something much simpler than that ex: status.nationwide.net |
| 03:15.29 | Gun_Smoke | Thanks to the crew that helped my gf out when I was gone.. Another plus to being part of a community instead of being a "follower" Thanks guys.. |
| 03:15.47 | synx | :) |
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| 03:16.17 | eldowan | Gun_Smoke: my pleasuer |
| 03:16.27 | pothibo | How do you reload your /etc/service conf file ? |
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| 03:17.09 | wols_ | why would you reload it? |
| 03:17.33 | pothibo | cuz I modified it |
| 03:18.06 | wols_ | there is nothing ro reload |
| 03:18.06 | Manfre | "couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686" |
| 03:18.07 | pothibo | I'm trying to run Kolab on my Debian server.. and it seems that Debian's basics Internet service are conflicting with Kolab |
| 03:18.15 | wols_ | Manfre: what debian branch? |
| 03:18.22 | Manfre | etch |
| 03:18.25 | teer | pothibo, do you mean /etc/services? the file is read off the disk by system calls. The disk might cache it but only momentarily (seconds) |
| 03:18.47 | wols_ | Manfre: uname -r |
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| 03:19.20 | pothibo | teer: ty.. but I just read the file.. and I was modifying the wrong thing... |
| 03:19.28 | Manfre | 2.4.24-1-686 |
| 03:19.33 | wols_ | that is not etch |
| 03:19.34 | Manfre | err...2.6.24-1 |
| 03:19.43 | pothibo | I need to know all the service debian is launching on the network... how can I know that ? |
| 03:19.47 | wols_ | still not etch |
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| 03:20.07 | wols_ | pothibo: netstat -anp |
| 03:20.23 | pothibo | wols_: ty |
| 03:20.24 | wols_ | that's the closest way to know it |
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| 03:20.59 | wols_ | Manfre: create the nvidia packages from source /nvidia-gaphics-drivers) |
| 03:21.22 | wols_ | Manfre: what geforce card? |
| 03:21.28 | Manfre | 8600gt |
| 03:21.36 | wols_ | then etch drivers won't work anyways |
| 03:21.45 | wols_ | !tell Manfre about simply sid backport |
| 03:21.52 | wols_ | !tell Manfre about simple sid backport |
| 03:21.58 | pothibo | I'm a suse user.. I'm pretty confused with that |
| 03:22.01 | Manfre | i used an iso from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:22.08 | pothibo | how do I stop exim4 ? |
| 03:22.13 | Manfre | needed that for the sata support |
| 03:22.19 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.39 | pothibo | wols_: I know that.. but only problem with debian is that all the networking stuff goes under networking |
| 03:22.52 | eldowan | why is it, as a user, I can make a process more nice to the limit, but can't renice to a higher value, which is lower than its default? |
| 03:22.53 | wols_ | Manfre: you will need to backport sid drivers as outlined above and then follow the nvidia_post_etch factoid |
| 03:22.58 | pothibo | so if I do /etc/init.d/networking stop my internet connection stops as well |
| 03:23.35 | wols_ | your do networking stop your interfaces are all taken down. of course networking then stops... |
| 03:23.36 | cizzi | when I compile a kernel of the same version of the one installed it says its allready there when I dpkg -i , do I need to give it a different name when I make-kpkg ? |
| 03:23.44 | wols_ | that's what it's DESIGNED to do |
| 03:24.11 | scotch_ | anybody work in SANE development here? |
| 03:24.11 | pothibo | wols_: that's what I mean, I don't want to take my interface down, I want to stop some programs like exim4.. and it is not located in /etc/init.d |
| 03:24.16 | wols_ | cizzi: man make-kpkg. 2nd option there |
| 03:24.22 | cizzi | wols_ - thank you |
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| 03:24.26 | wols_ | pothibo: you are wrong |
| 03:24.54 | wols_ | there is a /etc/init.d/exim* if you have exim installed and running |
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| 03:25.10 | pothibo | wols_: damn you are right.. I'm very tired sry |
| 03:25.31 | wols_ | !tell scotch_ about anyone |
| 03:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | eldowan: it's just one of those things... only root is allowed to change processes to a higher priority than they are running with at that moment |
| 03:26.02 | eldowan | I may have mis-stated. as a user, I can increase the niceness of a process to make it less of a priority. Say I make a process nice value 10. It fails when I set it to 9 afterwards, even though 9 is nicer than 0. Why is this? |
| 03:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | eldowan: I guess that way a high nice value can be enforced for some programs on a system |
| 03:26.14 | pothibo | But.. this is the only one there is.. I need to stop listening like proftp is active and doesn't exist in /etc/init.d |
| 03:26.47 | wols_ | pothibo: check inetd.conf |
| 03:27.07 | pothibo | ok ty |
| 03:27.12 | pothibo | already checked it tho |
| 03:27.21 | pothibo | but since I'm tired, I'll check it again |
| 03:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | eldowan: and a) yes, you didn't phrase that well but b) I still understood what you meant :) |
| 03:27.30 | wols_ | pothibo: netstat -anp. what is listening on port 21? what process? |
| 03:27.43 | pothibo | wols_: proftpd |
| 03:27.57 | eldowan | CutMeOwnThroat: aah, well thats crazy then. Thanks |
| 03:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | eldowan: and I guess your mistake is in thinking there is a "default" :) |
| 03:28.05 | wols_ | then there is a init.d script for it |
| 03:28.14 | pothibo | that's what I thought too.. |
| 03:28.14 | eldowan | CutMeOwnThroat: aaah, it seems clearer to me now |
| 03:28.46 | abrotman | why does kolab use ftp ? |
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| 03:28.55 | pothibo | god knows |
| 03:29.05 | pothibo | Kolab is getting on my nerve and it's been compiled for 4 hours only |
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| 03:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | eldowan: and I agree, that the behavior you suggest would make as much or more sense... but it's similar with other things try for examble "ulimit -c 20" in a bash, and "ulimit -c 30" afterwards |
| 03:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/examble/example/ |
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| 03:31.59 | pothibo | wols_: even proftpd is not found in PATH.. i'm quite clueless |
| 03:32.46 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 03:33.05 | pothibo | nvm I killed the process |
| 03:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | eldowan: I think there really is no "default"... but if some rights are taken from a user/process, it just can never regain it, except root does so... |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | great plan .. or you could uninstall it |
| 03:33.14 | pothibo | abrotman: it's not in init.d |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | pothibo: are you running debian? |
| 03:33.23 | pothibo | I tried.. |
| 03:33.24 | pothibo | yes |
| 03:33.28 | eldowan | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I understand now. Thanks. |
| 03:33.39 | abrotman | pothibo: then the init script is in init.d |
| 03:33.50 | pothibo | yeah but I think I found some of the issues |
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| 03:34.10 | pothibo | Kolab was running and kolab has probably the proftpd daemon |
| 03:36.15 | nepbabu | !beer SR71-Blackbird |
| 03:36.52 | SR71-Blackbird | nepbabu, haha |
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| 04:00.55 | Swat2 | how do i "export LANG=C" for all shells? |
| 04:01.52 | cyberjames | Swat2: put it on .bash_profile or .bashrc |
| 04:02.04 | Swat2 | ta |
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| 04:04.07 | abrotman | Swat2: /etc/environment |
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| 04:04.32 | karsten | Swat2: /etc/environment for all users, I think. |
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| 04:07.21 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 04:07.29 | pippijn | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error |
| 04:07.29 | pippijn | dpkg: error processing texlive-base (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 04:07.30 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:07.35 | pippijn | I'm getting this error |
| 04:07.53 | pippijn | and actually that's the whole relevant output |
| 04:08.13 | boka | heh |
| 04:08.14 | pippijn | this is on debian stable.. |
| 04:08.16 | boka | !bot |
| 04:08.16 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 04:08.44 | pippijn | I can't remove nor install anything |
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| 04:10.51 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer pippijn |
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| 04:16.43 | nepbabu | !laugh |
| 04:18.04 | lontra | how do i enable horizontal scrolling with a synaptics touchpad? |
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| 04:18.09 | godling | Hello. |
| 04:18.29 | amphi | !greet godling |
| 04:18.29 | dpkg | Bonjour, godling |
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| 04:18.57 | godling | I'm trying to make the Intel 82801H audio chip work on my new Vostro 1400. alsamixer reports that there are no mixer elements found. |
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| 04:20.33 | godling | I've search around the web and nothing I've found works. |
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| 04:21.17 | amphi | godling: what version of alsa? |
| 04:22.02 | godling | 1.0.15-4 |
| 04:22.09 | godling | that's the alsa-base version |
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| 04:22.18 | miracle2k_alt | I have a symlink in /etc/cron.d, but it looks like it's not executing. is there a simple way to debug this (e.g. see whether crond picks up the file at all), or anything else I might be missing? |
| 04:22.47 | amphi | godling: that card is meant to use the hda intel driver, right? |
| 04:23.01 | abrotman | miracle2k_alt: name of symlink/script ? |
| 04:23.14 | godling | I believe so, yes. That's what the consensus on the interwebs appears to be, anyhow. |
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| 04:23.59 | miracle2k_alt | abrotman, the name? /etc/cron.d/critify is pointing to /var/www/..../maintenance/CRONTAB |
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| 04:24.26 | abrotman | miracle2k_alt: when is it executed? |
| 04:24.34 | hikenboot | greetings I am working with SSL certificates I have generated a cacert.pem cert.csr and privkey.pem I am trying to get a private key and certificate in the form *.crt how do I do this or is this not possible? |
| 04:24.35 | amphi | godling: did you perchance disable the modem in the bios? |
| 04:25.08 | vinc456 | one of my partitions has filled but i would like to see if there is anything i can delete before trying to repartition |
| 04:25.09 | abrotman | hikenboot: make-ssl-cert ? |
| 04:25.11 | godling | amphi: I don't believe so. I can reboot and check. The modem and audio driver are on the same chipset, right? |
| 04:25.13 | miracle2k_alt | abrotman, well, it's in cron.d, so it contains multiple jobs that are supposed to run, at various times |
| 04:25.18 | godling | s/chipset/module |
| 04:25.26 | vinc456 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 04:25.31 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:25.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 04:25.36 | vinc456 | /dev/hda1 259M 236M 9.0M 97% / |
| 04:25.42 | amphi | godling: I believe so; on my stinkpadlet, the sound card won't work correctly if the modem is disabled |
| 04:26.21 | amphi | godling: it might be worth firing up aumix; it sees a 'channel' on my card that alsamixer doesn't |
| 04:26.51 | godling | installing now, amphi |
| 04:26.51 | vinc456 | i don't know what the scope of "/" is though |
| 04:27.11 | godling | haha |
| 04:27.20 | godling | amphi: "error opening mixer" |
| 04:27.37 | amphi | godling: there is also a model argument to snd-hda-intel which you could try; there's info about the options on the alsa site |
| 04:27.43 | abrotman | vinc456: apt-get clean ? |
| 04:27.45 | godling | amphi: is your device name /dev/dsp? |
| 04:28.04 | amphi | godling: you need oss emulation for /dev/dsp |
| 04:28.13 | godling | ok |
| 04:28.15 | amphi | godling: modprobe snd-pcm-oss IIRC |
| 04:28.22 | godling | I was just wondering what the device name was |
| 04:28.36 | godling | I have a /dev/snd/controlC0 and /dev/snd/timer |
| 04:29.18 | godling | amphi: Thank you for your help. |
| 04:29.25 | amphi | godling: here I have controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p seq timer |
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| 04:29.56 | amphi | godling: I can pastebin the snd-* modules list I have loaded here, if you like |
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| 04:30.20 | godling | amphi: That would be stellar. |
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| 04:30.58 | vinc456 | abrotman: didn't seem to clear up any space :( |
| 04:31.37 | amphi | godling: http://pastebin.ca/raw/897050 |
| 04:32.32 | godling | sweet, thanks |
| 04:32.59 | abrotman | vinc456: how many kernels do you have instsalled ? |
| 04:33.24 | vinc456 | just 1 |
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| 04:34.43 | amphi | godling: I mentioned aumix, because initially I only had sound for one stereo output channel, and no way to change it in alsamixer; aumix showed a mysterious 'pcm2' channel, which could only be set to 0 or 100%; setting it to 100% brought the other channel to life, and its volume is set with the other now, when I adjust pcm |
| 04:34.59 | ArtVandalae | Hi, is apt-cache the program that allows me to grab packages off other systems? i.e. create a "package server"? |
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| 04:36.04 | hikenboot | abrotman woudl I edit /usr/share/sssl-cert/ssleay.cnf so that where it mentions @CountryName@ and @StateName@ so that it would read somthing like countryName =US for instance? and then run make-ssl-cert? |
| 04:36.23 | Penix | ArtVandalae: no |
| 04:36.46 | ArtVandalae | Penix: would you know what program I'm looking for? |
| 04:36.49 | ArtVandalae | apt-proxy? |
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| 04:37.39 | vinc456 | what does /dev/hda1 contain by convention? |
| 04:37.51 | Penix | vinc456: a filesystem |
| 04:38.03 | ArtVandalae | vinc456: what does it contain? the first partition, on your "first" hard drive |
| 04:38.39 | vinc456 | well it's the root of my system so it contains all my files |
| 04:38.47 | vinc456 | but when i type "df -h" i get "/dev/hda1 259M 236M 9.0M 97% /" |
| 04:38.53 | abrotman | hikenboot: been awhile .. but i think you can .. |
| 04:39.00 | Penix | ArtVandalae: apt-proxy could be used if that's the setup you wanted |
| 04:39.05 | Penix | ArtVandalae: or you could do it by hand |
| 04:39.14 | Penix | !debian repository |
| 04:39.14 | dpkg | well, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 04:39.42 | ArtVandalae | vinc456: that might be your "boot" partition, try /dev/hda2 |
| 04:39.58 | ArtVandalae | Also, trying df by itself, to list all the mounted partitions |
| 04:40.19 | Penix | looks like he is using it by itself |
| 04:40.31 | Penix | vinc456: what's your point anyway? |
| 04:40.33 | abrotman | and it still says "/" |
| 04:40.40 | Penix | vinc456: yes, that's your root partition |
| 04:40.59 | vinc456 | it's 97% full and i want to clear up some space if possible |
| 04:41.06 | Penix | vinc456: then do that |
| 04:41.21 | ArtVandalae | How do you live on 260MB of RAM? Is it an embedded system? |
| 04:41.25 | ArtVandalae | *space |
| 04:41.27 | vinc456 | what can i delete? |
| 04:41.28 | Penix | vinc456: clean out your package cache like someone already suggested |
| 04:41.38 | vinc456 | i did, it didn't help |
| 04:41.49 | vinc456 | it's not an embedded system |
| 04:41.49 | Penix | vinc456: get rid of any unused kernel packages maybe |
| 04:42.02 | vinc456 | ok |
| 04:42.05 | ArtVandalae | vinc456: "du" around, see what's taking up space, and nuke stuff... try /home... stay away from /etc |
| 04:42.09 | Penix | ArtVandalae: /dev/hda1 188M 65M 123M 35% / |
| 04:42.24 | godling | amphi: It's not disabled in my BIOS. |
| 04:42.31 | ArtVandalae | Penix: damn. What do you do on that system? |
| 04:42.37 | Penix | ArtVandalae: everything. it's my desktop |
| 04:42.40 | godling | amphi: I'm going to take some advice from the alsaproject site |
| 04:42.46 | simonrvn | /dev/sdc8 296M 226M 70M 77% / |
| 04:42.48 | ArtVandalae | Penix: :\ -- does it have X? |
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| 04:42.52 | godling | amphi: I'll let you know how it goes |
| 04:42.57 | Penix | ArtVandalae: yes. *everything* |
| 04:43.24 | Penix | ArtVandalae: it's called a separate partition |
| 04:43.25 | amphi | godling: good like - try the 'model' argument perhaps |
| 04:43.42 | ArtVandalae | Penix: you mount /home somewhere else? |
| 04:43.50 | simonrvn | duh |
| 04:43.52 | Penix | ArtVandalae: among others |
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| 04:44.13 | ArtVandalae | Well that's not that impressive then :P. I thought you guys had ALL yuor contents under 300MB :) |
| 04:44.18 | boka | i bet vinc456 is running serviette |
| 04:44.19 | amphi | godling: it might be worth trying 'modprobe snd-hda-intel model=dell' perhaps, before documentation spelunking (if that is a dell ;) |
| 04:44.33 | Penix | gone below 100mb / easily on some of my BSD boxes |
| 04:44.42 | godling | heh |
| 04:44.54 | godling | I just rebooted and aumix is showing vol and igain now |
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| 04:45.03 | vinc456 | Penix: sorry to bother you, but how do i find unused kernel packages? |
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| 04:45.24 | vinc456 | i've being using aptitude to upgrade my kernel so i was hoping it would manage stuff like that |
| 04:45.26 | Penix | vinc456: look in /boot. is there more than one vmlinuz-* file? |
| 04:45.33 | godling | woohoo! |
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| 04:45.45 | vinc456 | there is a single one |
| 04:45.48 | Penix | vinc456: then you're fine |
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| 04:46.25 | vinc456 | i think i will need to repartition |
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| 04:46.32 | Penix | vinc456: what's with the need for more / space anyway? what are you doing that requires loads of space there? |
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| 04:46.48 | yy | what's that backup program that uses rsync? rbackup? |
| 04:46.50 | se7en | i need some help with installing irssi on a server how do i do that |
| 04:46.53 | yy | I thought it was called something else. |
| 04:46.59 | Penix | se7en: apt-get install irssi |
| 04:47.18 | vinc456 | Penix: to the best of my knowledge, i don't do anything there |
| 04:47.25 | se7en | Penix: do i need to ssh in the server |
| 04:47.31 | Penix | vinc456: then why are you so desperate to free up space? |
| 04:47.32 | vinc456 | but i'm afraid i will have problems later on |
| 04:47.33 | yy | se7en yes. |
| 04:47.56 | Penix | se7en: if you don't have local, physical access to it, then, yes, obviously |
| 04:48.04 | se7en | so i need a host that prefites ssh log on |
| 04:48.13 | vinc456 | if there aren't going to be any issues then i'm fine with leaving it as is |
| 04:48.23 | simonrvn | "prefites"? |
| 04:48.31 | yy | se7en yes. |
| 04:49.01 | Penix | leave him to yy. seem to understand each other |
| 04:49.11 | yy | no need to be like that. |
| 04:49.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:49.33 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:49.39 | godling | amphi: everything except the second headphone jack is working |
| 04:49.40 | se7en | thanks |
| 04:49.43 | yy | anyway. rbackup? is that what its called? |
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| 04:49.57 | abrotman | yy: apt-cache search rsync |
| 04:50.01 | yy | se7en sure thing. you should hang out in ##linux for your more basic questions |
| 04:50.04 | yy | abrotman ahh thanks |
| 04:50.06 | hikenboot | abrotman openssl genrsa -aes256 1024 -out serverkey.pem <---this seems to generate a pem file but I cant figure out where it is putting it updatedb and locate doesnt seem to find it is this a bug? |
| 04:50.24 | abrotman | hikenboot: $PWD IIRC |
| 04:50.31 | yy | abrotman --> it ain't there |
| 04:50.39 | abrotman | it being? |
| 04:50.42 | vinc456 | i'm pretty sure that it wasn't this full a month ago though, i'm not sure what happened. I will try repartitioning because my swap space is also full |
| 04:50.52 | yy | it being the backup/cron system that uses rsync |
| 04:51.02 | abrotman | mondo? |
| 04:51.06 | yy | googling rbackup doesn't seem to turn up the results i saw before |
| 04:51.07 | abrotman | backupppc ? |
| 04:51.13 | yy | no. starts with r. =) |
| 04:51.14 | vinc456 | thanks |
| 04:51.22 | abrotman | yy: packages.debian.org ? |
| 04:51.49 | se7en | and in #sorry_for_not_native_english i guess |
| 04:51.53 | hikenboot | abrotman it doesnt put it in the current directory is this what you mean |
| 04:52.00 | craigevil | rdiff-backup perhaps? |
| 04:52.05 | Xenguy | rdiff-backup ? |
| 04:52.08 | yy | se7en -- no big deal. |
| 04:52.12 | yy | Nope. wasn't that either. |
| 04:52.23 | yy | hmpf. I should bookmark more often. |
| 04:52.35 | simonrvn | se7en: neither am i. what's your point? |
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| 04:52.59 | yy | I believe his point is that he has trouble communicating in English and wants forgiveness. Some problem with that? |
| 04:53.04 | se7en | no point you are better, i am not |
| 04:53.26 | hikenboot | am i supposed to paste it into a empty file? |
| 04:53.40 | simonrvn | no need to apologise. that's my point |
| 04:53.47 | abrotman | hikenboot: oh wait .. you're not using make-ssl-cert ? |
| 04:54.21 | amphi | godling: good-oh |
| 04:54.30 | simonrvn | yy: contrary to your seeming opinion, we're not out to torch newbies |
| 04:54.37 | hikenboot | no i found directions i understand except that it pastes it to the screen but i am not sure https://bielserv.ath.cx/main/wiki/ApacheSSL |
| 04:54.58 | amphi | godling: the second headphone thing might be fixed with model=foo (if it's not just that the channel is muted ;) |
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| 04:55.28 | yy | "simonrvn>"prefites"?" --> your interlang-dcoder is broken |
| 04:55.32 | abrotman | hikenboot: http://www.styledbits.com/2007/04/howto-build-an-ssl-cert-for-apache2-on-debian-etch/ |
| 04:55.40 | abrotman | hikenboot: that seems easier :) |
| 04:55.59 | simonrvn | yy: then tell me what that means, i really have no clue what that is |
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| 04:56.24 | abrotman | me neither :) |
| 04:56.28 | yy | simonrvn -- me either =). but ignoring it, the sentance is plain enough. |
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| 04:56.40 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 04:57.03 | Penix | yy: my simple point still stands that you seemed to understand se7en better than us |
| 04:57.12 | Penix | IIRC that's where this all started |
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| 04:57.16 | simonrvn | so i need a host that (word removed) ssh log on |
| 04:57.27 | vinc456 | ah, the problem was the .wine in the /root which was >120 mb |
| 04:57.38 | yy | simonrvn. you're right. it was an inpenetrable cryptogram. |
| 04:57.39 | Penix | !spank vinc456 |
| 04:57.45 | simonrvn | (hint: it don't make no sense d00d) |
| 04:57.55 | yy | Gee, I answered it easily enough. |
| 04:57.58 | simonrvn | vinc456: stop running wine as root |
| 04:58.03 | abrotman | vinc456: hint #1.. don't run wine as root |
| 04:58.06 | vinc456 | i'll learn from the this experience |
| 04:58.30 | vinc456 | thanks again |
| 04:58.53 | yy | rsnapshot! |
| 04:59.16 | yy | anyone prefer anything above that, for the task of incremental backups? |
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| 05:02.01 | vinc456 | as an fyi: in addition to taking up globs of disk space running wine as root leaves you vulnerable to windows viruses |
| 05:02.40 | abrotman | vinc456: as an FYI .. you really shouldn't run everything as root |
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| 05:04.48 | simonrvn | you should run as little as possible in fact... |
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| 05:09.26 | cizzi | could I use NFS if I have a few linux systems and wish to consolidate all the /etc/passwd users for all 3? |
| 05:09.32 | cizzi | is that a valid use of NFS? |
| 05:10.03 | jarick | cizzi: No, that would be a valid use of NIS |
| 05:10.08 | \amethyst | cizzi: no, that would be LDAP or NIS |
| 05:10.24 | cizzi | thanks guys |
| 05:10.45 | vinc456 | 15M ./.mozilla/firefox |
| 05:10.51 | vinc456 | ugh sorry |
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| 05:12.17 | kie27 | greetings all, i have a new laptop (sony g2) with a 64gb ssd and am about to put debian on it. any advice on configuration for the ssd? |
| 05:12.40 | yy | cizzi -- been through all that recently. ldap is really the way to go. |
| 05:13.34 | vinc456 | <boka> i bet vinc456 is running serviette": i can't find much info on serviette. What is it? |
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| 05:19.06 | VulcanRidr | I'm having a problem with kernel panics. The workstation in question is an AthlonXP 1800 with 1GB of RAM. I ran ksymoops and it showed |
| 05:19.06 | VulcanRidr | >>EIP; c0154b71 <__do_page_cache_readahead+18/1fc> |
| 05:19.43 | VulcanRidr | Its a luks-encrypted filesystem, but it has been for over a year, and this has just started happening in the last week or two. |
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| 05:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds more like a hardware problem (?) |
| 05:28.24 | VulcanRidr | Thats what I am thinking CutMeOwnThroat. But I swapped out the RAM. |
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| 05:39.14 | lontra | anyone know where i can get free clip art? free as in creative commons or something |
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| 05:41.41 | Penix | openclipart.org maybe |
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| 05:44.37 | wols_ | VulcanRidr: run a memtest for 12+ hours |
| 05:44.49 | lontra | Penix: openclip is crappy to search through |
| 05:45.02 | VulcanRidr | wols_: Will do, but I swapped out all of the memory. |
| 05:45.30 | wols_ | has any software changed recently? like the new debian stable kernel? |
| 05:46.02 | VulcanRidr | Running 2.6.22-3-k7. |
| 05:46.21 | VulcanRidr | But I booted on 2.6.22-2-k7 and got the same problem. |
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| 05:46.57 | VulcanRidr | Why, btw, is the k7 kernel so far behind the 686 one (which is 2.6.24). |
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| 05:49.19 | jetscreamer | i know lspci but how do i get the pci id # |
| 05:50.03 | jetscreamer | because they now give you a kernel made for a pentium pro and expect you to run it on your athlonxp |
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| 05:50.29 | jetscreamer | s/made/optimized/ |
| 05:50.34 | jetscreamer | aka there is no -k7 |
| 05:50.48 | jetscreamer | a-K-a, get it? k... |
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| 05:51.18 | VulcanRidr | Ah. So run the 486 one from now on? |
| 05:51.25 | jetscreamer | the 686 |
| 05:51.28 | jetscreamer | supposedly |
| 05:51.39 | jetscreamer | i said fuckthat and compiled my own again |
| 05:51.52 | jetscreamer | it does work |
| 05:51.55 | jetscreamer | the 686 |
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| 05:52.28 | VulcanRidr | I just got in the habit of running the stock one...Now I get to go back to compiling my own? Nice. |
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| 05:52.35 | jetscreamer | yeah me too |
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| 05:53.59 | VulcanRidr | Who mad that decision? |
| 05:54.05 | VulcanRidr | s/mad/made |
| 05:55.05 | jetscreamer | the kernel maintainer probably |
| 05:55.06 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 05:55.34 | jetscreamer | hey if you do compile your own from debian sources let me know if you get 'runaway loop' when you boot it |
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| 05:55.46 | jetscreamer | i get that, but the vanilla kernel.org works fine |
| 05:57.03 | VulcanRidr | Will do. |
| 05:57.19 | VulcanRidr | I take it you're running on a k7 as well? |
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| 05:57.43 | grendal_prime | damn it |
| 05:58.06 | grendal_prime | whats the packaged i need to install to forward x11 authenitcation through a gateway |
| 05:58.18 | grendal_prime | x11utils..or something another |
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| 05:59.38 | cybermad | i want to download some files from rapidshare.com, how do i login to the premium from debian terminal,.. maybe i will use wget |
| 05:59.59 | jetscreamer | uh... xterm has a new full screen option? how do i enable it... more important, htf do i take it back off... |
| 06:00.39 | jetscreamer | new to me, either way... htf do i make it non-fullscreen |
| 06:01.59 | jetscreamer | HEY GD WTF HAPPENED TO CTRL ALT F1 |
| 06:02.25 | jetscreamer | !blame gravity |
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| 06:03.09 | jetscreamer | is the vt zap thing or whatever enabled by default now? what is this an ubuntuism? |
| 06:03.45 | Nyle | hey |
| 06:03.45 | Nyle | man |
| 06:03.58 | jetscreamer | hail |
| 06:04.41 | jetscreamer | nyle you run sid? ctrl alt F1 still work for you? |
| 06:04.53 | enouf | jetscreamer: were you asking about something that say lspci -n or -nn would give you? |
| 06:05.02 | jetscreamer | n you say eh |
| 06:05.03 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:05.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I'm on amd64 sid |
| 06:05.48 | enouf | kmuto {which driver} input ;-) |
| 06:05.57 | Nyle | and yes I get a console where I startx'ed |
| 06:06.03 | Nyle | but right now |
| 06:06.05 | Nyle | I need help |
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| 06:06.23 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48756 <-- its my xorg.conf |
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| 06:06.36 | Nyle | I get 1200x1024 on both monitors, and both monitors display the same thing |
| 06:06.41 | Nyle | I can't figure out why |
| 06:06.48 | Nyle | what am I doing wrong, or missing |
| 06:07.07 | enouf | jetscreamer: make sure fbcon is compiled in, or loaded |
| 06:07.28 | jetscreamer | is that for the runaway loop? |
| 06:07.45 | Nyle | also, when I uncomment the ati's horizontal big desktop, I get 2560x1024@60 |
| 06:07.47 | enouf | er, the VT issue you seem to say |
| 06:07.50 | Nyle | which is unacceptable |
| 06:07.52 | Nyle | someone help! |
| 06:08.44 | lantius | hello, I am trying to get locales which are able to show characters, for example in UTF-8. Because, apache is using it, and It works well, I can see when I look my web page, nevertheless if I run vi index.htm It does not show . I have en_US.UTF-8 and es_ES.UTF-8 locale but It does not work |
| 06:08.57 | enouf | runway models i can deal with .. runaway loops not so much |
| 06:09.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: dude |
| 06:09.48 | lantius | what am i supposed to do to be able to see correctly this kind of characters? |
| 06:10.52 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i looked. no idea, blame ati :) |
| 06:11.17 | jetscreamer | Nyle: seems like the one i have, mostly, though.. |
| 06:11.18 | Nyle | jetscreamer: same with vesa |
| 06:11.26 | Nyle | its not a driver issue |
| 06:11.30 | Nyle | its an xorg config issue |
| 06:11.33 | Nyle | I'm sure of that |
| 06:12.34 | grendal_prime | ok god damn it |
| 06:12.39 | grendal_prime | this is pissing me off.. |
| 06:12.42 | Spee_Der | Nyle, what is your driver please ? nVIDIA or ? |
| 06:12.50 | jetscreamer | Nyle: try turning xinerama off |
| 06:12.56 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48757 |
| 06:13.00 | Nyle | check this |
| 06:13.04 | jetscreamer | iirc mine works till i go for xinerama |
| 06:13.05 | grendal_prime | what is the name of the package tha has the x11auth stuff in it |
| 06:13.06 | Nyle | this is another version of my xorg.conf |
| 06:13.11 | Nyle | I'm using ATI/fglrx |
| 06:13.21 | Spee_Der | I did. I don't see call fr the video driver. Perhpas I'm still ZzZzZz |
| 06:13.24 | Nyle | I've tried xinerama on/off both |
| 06:13.32 | Spee_Der | Ok. I don't know ATI, sorry. |
| 06:13.33 | Nyle | Spee_Der: device |
| 06:13.41 | Nyle | It has nothign to do with ati |
| 06:14.00 | Nyle | even if I use vesa |
| 06:14.02 | Nyle | same thing |
| 06:14.11 | Spee_Der | I did manage to make the Matrox and nVIDIA work correctly.. Haven't played with dual ATI yet. |
| 06:14.39 | Nyle | It has nothign to do with ati. |
| 06:14.52 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.07 | Nyle | see this line, its commented out in my first paste, which is the current config I use |
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| 06:15.21 | Nyle | that is an ATI specific option |
| 06:15.46 | Nyle | I don't have that, and I also don't have fglrx, I use vesa, and I get both monitors showing the same thing |
| 06:16.11 | Spee_Der | What is the video card please ? |
| 06:16.38 | Nyle | if I use fglrx+that particular desktopsetup option horizontal, I get like 2560x1024 @ 60 hz |
| 06:16.39 | amphi | vesa, heh |
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| 06:16.43 | Nyle | Spee_Der: intel |
| 06:16.44 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 06:16.49 | Nyle | Spee_Der: its nvidia |
| 06:16.50 | jetscreamer | i see a difference |
| 06:16.53 | Nyle | its ati |
| 06:17.19 | Nyle | oh yeh, I got the horiz/vert freq. specified in the new file too |
| 06:17.23 | Nyle | same result |
| 06:17.36 | Spee_Der | Ok. Which nVIDIA please. I've done this in the past. Took some work, but I did manage it. |
| 06:18.18 | Nyle | Spee_Der: It is a Radeon X1900 XT PCI-e |
| 06:18.24 | Nyle | ATI |
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| 06:18.48 | jetscreamer | you don't have screen directives in your device sections |
| 06:18.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: come again |
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| 06:19.04 | jetscreamer | and you don't use the 'screen dell' identifiers |
| 06:19.14 | Nyle | umm.. what now? |
| 06:19.24 | jetscreamer | you use the screen0 and screen1... i'll have to paste mine and let you look |
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| 06:20.12 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.15 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.17 | Nyle | umm |
| 06:20.19 | Nyle | are you sure? |
| 06:20.24 | Nyle | its just an identifier string |
| 06:20.35 | Nyle | it doesn't have to be screen1 screen2 etc. |
| 06:22.31 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf-dualie |
| 06:22.37 | jetscreamer | mine works, yours doesn't |
| 06:22.40 | jetscreamer | all i know |
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| 06:23.00 | jetscreamer | no i meant you don't USE that identifier |
| 06:23.04 | Nyle | ahh |
| 06:23.05 | Nyle | I see |
| 06:23.06 | enouf | lantius: hrm, what does /etc/default/locale say? |
| 06:23.11 | Nyle | hang on |
| 06:23.12 | jetscreamer | (yeah you can make that identifier anything) |
| 06:23.16 | Nyle | I see how its working |
| 06:23.24 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 06:23.58 | ErichVon | What's the best guide to installing ATI drivers on Debian Etch? |
| 06:24.03 | lantius | enouf -> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:24.10 | lantius | :q! |
| 06:24.12 | lantius | sorry |
| 06:24.33 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.33 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hows that |
| 06:24.48 | lantius | what time is it? |
| 06:25.00 | jetscreamer | i don't know ErichVon ... i've saved one to try it someday though |
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| 06:25.18 | Spee_Der | 1:25 A.M. EST |
| 06:25.18 | enouf | xbase-clients: /usr/bin/xauth |
| 06:25.23 | jetscreamer | Nyle: beats me :) i don't want to follow the logic atm :) |
| 06:25.39 | lantius | here 6:25 A.M. |
| 06:25.50 | ErichVon | jetscreamer: Which? |
| 06:25.52 | jetscreamer | it is .... DAYTIME |
| 06:25.54 | jetscreamer | ati |
| 06:25.55 | enouf | lantius: then a vi/vim config issue likely? |
| 06:26.11 | jetscreamer | daytime in half the world that is |
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| 06:27.06 | lantius | enouf :s I don't understand |
| 06:27.24 | lantius | ah ok |
| 06:28.09 | enouf | lantius: what's "readlink -f /usr/bin/vim" say? |
| 06:28.11 | Spee_Der | Nyle, I. assuming Debian Etch ? |
| 06:28.24 | lantius | enouf well maybe, but If I use less index.htm It is wrong too. There is difference between less and vi, but both show it in a wrong way, moreover less shows it like nano do it |
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| 06:29.20 | lantius | enouf I have vi. readlink -f /usr/bin/vi answer /usr/bin/nvi |
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| 06:31.01 | liable | beer please |
| 06:31.10 | enouf | lantius: did you ever (properly run) dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 06:31.29 | enouf | $ readlink -f /usr/bin/vi |
| 06:31.31 | enouf | /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 06:31.54 | lantius | enouf yes I made it |
| 06:31.58 | enouf | same for vim |
| 06:32.04 | lantius | I don't have vim |
| 06:32.07 | lantius | I have vi |
| 06:32.08 | enouf | ok, dunno |
| 06:34.29 | lantius | enouf I have read it |
| 06:34.47 | lantius | enouf http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html it is quite interesting |
| 06:35.08 | lantius | But it doesn't work nevertheless , well it doesn't matter I will survive with out |
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| 06:43.33 | mythomaniac | can one upgrade binutils, via compiling source, in etch? |
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| 06:45.41 | streuner | mythomaniac: why do you need other version? |
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| 06:46.52 | mythomaniac | streuner, the one in etch does not support the --hash switches that are needed to successfully compile truecrypt 5.0 |
| 06:48.11 | streuner | !+tell mythomaniac -about simple sid backport |
| 06:48.11 | dpkg | told mythomaniac about simple sid backport. |
| 06:48.40 | streuner | mythomaniac: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:49.47 | mythomaniac | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 06:51.04 | mythomaniac | streuner: binutils is not in backports, but is it safe to mix and match with lenny and sid repositories (i've never done) |
| 06:51.05 | yy | I've filled my /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot but how do I initiate it? |
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| 06:51.39 | godling | amphi: apparently I broke something. :/ |
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| 06:51.54 | godling | ...because I'm an idiot. :D |
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| 06:54.10 | xushi | hi all |
| 06:54.16 | godling | hello |
| 06:54.52 | xushi | I really need help.. everytime i create my /dev/md5 raid1 array, wait to sync, copy data to it, then reboot, it disappears.. and I have to recreate it again, and again, and again. I'm not sure why |
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| 06:58.03 | enouf | man mdadm.conf |
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| 06:59.30 | xushi | enouf: and ? |
| 07:01.07 | enouf | configure it so it doesn't disappear .. that's what and |
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| 07:02.32 | xushi | I still don't get it.. I didn't configure the other 5 sets not to disappear, and they're still there.. except for this one |
| 07:02.47 | xst | Help! When I tried to boot this morning I got a "GRUB ERROR 18". I usually don't have any problems on booting. What to do?! |
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| 07:04.58 | aredhel | xst, from info grub "18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS", did you change any bios settings? |
| 07:05.43 | Saint`Belmont | Anyone know where I can find a repository that has python2.4-dbus in it with all of it's dependants? |
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| 07:09.41 | Nyle | D.3. Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System |
| 07:09.53 | Nyle | I shall now commence with the installation on a remote machine |
| 07:10.01 | Nyle | wish me luck, my first time doing this |
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| 07:14.34 | yy | luckwish -u nyle |
| 07:15.33 | godling | amphi: I got it working again. for future reference, modprobe snd_hda_intel probe_mask=1 model=5stack works great. |
| 07:16.30 | cast | having a bit of issue with kvm backport on etch |
| 07:17.05 | Nyle | I have a 1024MB swap in /dev/sda3 and when I do mkswap or swapon for that device, I get |
| 07:17.08 | Nyle | /dev/sda3: Device or resource busy |
| 07:17.26 | cast | oh..nvm...i fixed it :D |
| 07:17.28 | Nyle | I do mount -l and I don't see swap being used as I'm on an ubuntu live cd right now trying to install debian |
| 07:17.43 | cast | Nyle: do you really want to ever be using that much swap o_0 |
| 07:17.49 | Spee_Der | xst, This error is returned if the kernel image boing loaded is not recognized as Multiboot or one of the supported native formats (Linux zImage or bzImage, FreeBSD, or NetBSD). |
| 07:17.51 | yy | how can I see what jobs cron is going to do? |
| 07:17.59 | Nyle | cast: I don't even need it, but I just want to know why is it busy? |
| 07:18.16 | Nyle | cast: I have 2gb ram, and I hardly ever utilize swap, but now that I'm on amd64, I should have some yes |
| 07:18.19 | godling | yy: man crontab |
| 07:18.23 | godling | :) |
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| 07:18.25 | yy | =) |
| 07:18.29 | yy | that didn't work =) |
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| 07:18.51 | cast | i run amd64, 2gb ram, no swap :> |
| 07:18.53 | yy | it just spits out the script from _bladerunner_ |
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| 07:19.09 | godling | what? |
| 07:19.25 | yy | its a jokel |
| 07:19.33 | godling | ah |
| 07:19.40 | godling | sorry, it's late :) |
| 07:19.56 | godling | had two tests today |
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| 07:20.04 | godling | goign to SCaLE tomorrow though! |
| 07:20.06 | godling | *going |
| 07:20.32 | Nyle | cast: hmm |
| 07:20.34 | yy | Dunno SCaLE |
| 07:20.43 | Nyle | cast: I don't feel like wasting a partition on swap |
| 07:20.45 | Nyle | if i don't have to |
| 07:20.48 | godling | yy: Southern California Linux Expo |
| 07:20.51 | Nyle | I can always create a swapfile later if i need to |
| 07:20.53 | yy | Oh, cool. |
| 07:20.57 | Nyle | yeh, that sounds better |
| 07:21.04 | Nyle | ok mr swap partiion |
| 07:21.07 | Nyle | go away! |
| 07:21.09 | godling | yy: http://socallinuxexpo.org |
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| 07:21.40 | scorche | godling: swing by the OLPC booth and say hi :) |
| 07:21.46 | cast | Nyle: lvm is a bit, well, a lot more flexable than using traditional partitioning, if partitioning is annoying you :> |
| 07:22.03 | deadcat | whats the regex for sed to match @yahoo. @hotmail. @domain. to @***. ? |
| 07:22.07 | Nyle | cast: how do you mean |
| 07:23.01 | godling | I'm using encrypted lvm on my new laptop |
| 07:23.14 | Nyle | cast: ehh. don't really need lvm |
| 07:23.18 | Nyle | can't find a use for it |
| 07:23.30 | Nyle | I have a 250gb disk that is completely blank |
| 07:23.35 | yy | neat |
| 07:23.37 | godling | scorche: The OLPC laptops are really neat. |
| 07:23.38 | Nyle | my other diska are NTFS |
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| 07:24.00 | Nyle | bah fuck it |
| 07:24.08 | Nyle | im gonna go run debootstrap now |
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| 07:25.24 | Nyle | debootstrap --arch amd64 etch /mnt/debinst http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 07:25.30 | Nyle | oops |
| 07:26.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 07:27.13 | Nyle | --verbose |
| 07:28.20 | Nyle | hey does anyone know how many MB of data would roughly be downloaded using this install method? |
| 07:28.38 | Nyle | how big is the base system compressed? (ar?) 150mb or so? |
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| 07:28.51 | yy | about |
| 07:28.54 | cast | ar isn't compression |
| 07:29.03 | Nyle | which is why I asked |
| 07:29.07 | Nyle | its like a packing tool then |
| 07:29.11 | Nyle | not really file compression |
| 07:29.12 | anxt | does ar pack .a into .so ? |
| 07:29.45 | greaman1 | i am finding deluge faster speed than azureus which came out way before deluge.. is that normal? thanks |
| 07:30.26 | cast | greaman1: this is #debian eh |
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| 07:32.41 | Nyle | cast: I have a / and /home on a 250gb disk |
| 07:32.49 | Nyle | what all should my fstab contain |
| 07:33.09 | Nyle | one for /, one for /home, one for /proc, one for cdrom, one for dvdrom |
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| 07:33.31 | Nyle | is that about it, or are there some other system mounted fs, tempfs blah blah i need to be aware of too |
| 07:34.18 | cast | thats about it |
| 07:35.05 | Nyle | D.3.3. Run debootstrap |
| 07:35.11 | Nyle | I'm here so far, still downloading the base system |
| 07:35.24 | Nyle | D.3.4. Configure The Base System <-- next step |
| 07:35.30 | liable | meh, why do things keep installing daemons that i dont need |
| 07:35.32 | cast | congrats. |
| 07:35.34 | anxt | so if i am gonna build a new kernel should i try linux-tree or linux-sources ? |
| 07:35.39 | Nyle | liable: DEmons |
| 07:35.53 | Nyle | begone! the power of christ compells you |
| 07:36.18 | Nyle | cast: you being sarcastic |
| 07:36.42 | Nyle | anxt: you should look at /msg dpkg kp |
| 07:36.53 | anxt | aight |
| 07:37.21 | Nyle | cool base system downloaded |
| 07:37.28 | Nyle | I: Base system installed successfully. |
| 07:37.54 | cast | quite sarcastic |
| 07:38.04 | Nyle | but why? |
| 07:38.07 | Nyle | I'm a noob |
| 07:38.43 | Nyle | I'm reading and following directions, I'm here to ask about a step I dont konw about, before I do it so I don't fuck shit up or waste time |
| 07:38.50 | Nyle | you don't wanna help, ignore me, don't be a dick. |
| 07:39.27 | yy | ppl in debian are like that sometimes |
| 07:41.00 | cast | well i did help, the sarcasm was directed at non-questions. yay, you're reading the manual! section x.y.z, congrats. :P |
| 07:41.15 | Nyle | yes you did help |
| 07:41.34 | Nyle | why instigate shit with stuff thats not called for |
| 07:41.41 | Nyle | sarcasm usually doesn't help |
| 07:42.00 | oshiii-_^ | neither does whining |
| 07:42.22 | Nyle | you consider this whining? |
| 07:42.26 | Nyle | what planet are you from? |
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| 07:42.50 | Nyle | united states of assholes? |
| 07:42.53 | Nyle | ffs. |
| 07:43.23 | godling | can't we all just get along? |
| 07:43.26 | Nyle | no |
| 07:43.33 | Nyle | we can't and we won't |
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| 07:45.53 | liable | who are you guys talking to, i must have whoever it is on ignore |
| 07:45.54 | greaman1 | markybob right now deluxe or utorrent bette? does utorrent come with encryption? |
| 07:46.09 | Nyle | liable: ping |
| 07:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if he's talking to himself and sharing that wigh all the 744 of us, I'd also wish he'd at least tell himself more interesting stuff :-P |
| 07:46.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable: I bet |
| 07:47.02 | Saint`Belmont | Hmmz |
| 07:47.23 | liable | Nyle: i thought it might be you, i just unignored you |
| 07:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, make that 743 - others with enough wisdom to use \ignore |
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| 07:47.41 | hoxu | liable, foolish man ! |
| 07:47.43 | Nyle | liable: wow... I feel special |
| 07:47.51 | hoxu | !win Nyle |
| 07:47.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, Nyle! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 07:47.59 | johndoe09 | hi gurus and geeks! ;) |
| 07:48.14 | hoxu | johndoe09, I feel discriminated |
| 07:48.16 | Nyle | hoxu: you can feel free to get the FUCK off my dick anytime you like. |
| 07:48.23 | Nyle | thanks. |
| 07:48.29 | johndoe09 | is there a shell command in linux to convert xls file to csv cuz 36mb xls file cant be open in openoffice to convert it to csv? |
| 07:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable: you just won a broken washing machine and a hairdryer from 1963... where do you want it delivered :) |
| 07:48.48 | johndoe09 | hoxu: dont be cuz im proud of geeks and gurus, they are my idol |
| 07:48.51 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: an episode of price is right when bob barker was 21 years old |
| 07:48.52 | Nyle | hehe |
| 07:48.54 | hoxu | !wud |
| 07:48.55 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 07:49.16 | cast | johndoe09: try gnumeric maybe |
| 07:50.01 | johndoe09 | ok |
| 07:50.02 | hoxu | johndoe09, hold on, there's a command for that |
| 07:50.02 | anxt | 36 mB xls sounds like an empty workbook in office 2007 |
| 07:50.19 | Nyle | hoxu: ping |
| 07:50.24 | johndoe09 | excel nor openoffice cant open 36mb xls file |
| 07:50.35 | hoxu | johndoe09, xls2csv in package catdoc, you could try that |
| 07:50.40 | Nyle | wow, 36 mb |
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| 07:51.59 | chovy | is it possible to use apt-get and install a pkg to my home directory? |
| 07:52.21 | anxt | damn i filled this cfdisk right up |
| 07:52.31 | anxt | i am gonna hafta make a seperate partition to unpack kernel on |
| 07:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: yes |
| 07:53.02 | chovy | CutMeOwnThroat: where can i read docs? |
| 07:53.06 | johndoe09 | waiting for hoxu |
| 07:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: "man apt" -s dir installs in a directory... |
| 07:53.31 | hoxu | johndoe09, ? See above, apt-get install catdoc, xls2csv binary in that package |
| 07:53.35 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 07:53.39 | Nyle | its the weekend again |
| 07:53.54 | Nyle | morons a plenty |
| 07:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: BUT it will of course create the complete directory tree /usr/bin; /etc and so on (using the directory instead of root) in that directory |
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| 07:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: so it might not be as useful as you imagine |
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| 07:54.46 | johndoe09 | ok |
| 07:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | \ignore Nyle |
| 07:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 07:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
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| 07:55.21 | Nyle | don't care |
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| 07:56.19 | chovy | CutMeOwnThroat: i mean as an underprivileged user. |
| 07:56.24 | chovy | got a lockfile error |
| 07:56.46 | Nyle | jump on the /ignore Nyle bandwagon |
| 07:56.58 | Nyle | no idea why you're doing it, you just do it cuz some of these morons are doing it |
| 07:57.17 | Nyle | less morons to deal with |
| 07:57.26 | Nyle | I wish everyone had the common sense |
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| 07:57.34 | hoxu | Nyle, you should make a blog and rant there. |
| 07:57.43 | Nyle | hoxu: again with the blog ;) |
| 07:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: hm, haven't done that in a long time |
| 07:58.14 | Nyle | hoxu: I'm just fucking sick of people instigating shit |
| 07:59.14 | Nyle | why why why |
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| 07:59.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not done to insult, but to have some quiet |
| 07:59.28 | Nyle | doesn't matter dude |
| 07:59.32 | Nyle | I don't care if the whole world ignores me |
| 07:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | non-stop nonsense is so tiering |
| 07:59.41 | johndoe09 | $ xls2csv ScrubbingLeads_2kDNC360_02Nov07.xls >uncheck-scrub.xls |
| 07:59.43 | johndoe09 | BOF when current sheet is not flushed |
| 07:59.45 | johndoe09 | $ |
| 07:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and my fucking ignore doesnt work as I think it would |
| 07:59.50 | chovy | CutMeOwnThroat: k, thanks |
| 07:59.53 | johndoe09 | :( |
| 08:00.27 | hoxu | johndoe09, well, you could borrow a friend's copy of ahem, excel and convert it, or maybe mail microsoft and tell them you'd like a standards-compliant version of the file |
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| 08:00.39 | Nyle | heh |
| 08:00.42 | Nyle | do the first one |
| 08:00.59 | Nyle | 2nd is a waste of time imo. Microsoft doing anything standards compliant? heh.. when hell freezes over |
| 08:01.08 | Nyle | thats HOW they make thier money |
| 08:01.12 | johndoe09 | hoxu: hahha |
| 08:01.44 | johndoe09 | Nyle: which first one? |
| 08:02.23 | Nyle | johndoe09: you don't have to go download a copy of windows, and you also shouldn't download a copy of office. You should NOT use pirated software to conver yoru 36mb file so that it works on open standard programs. You should not do that, ok ? |
| 08:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: hm, I think it's possible, but not simple... check the manpage of dpkg also |
| 08:02.27 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 08:02.49 | chovy | CutMeOwnThroat: i did, got a SuperUser error |
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| 08:03.23 | chovy | trying to build by hand, just need a clean libsigc++-2.0 file |
| 08:04.05 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48760 <-- /etc/fstab |
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| 08:04.11 | johndoe09 | Nyle: i was hoping if i could convert it in text based command so i can manipulate that file using shell scripting and im not pyrating. i was just trying to help my friend who got this so big file |
| 08:04.33 | Nyle | mount: special device /dev/sda2 does not exist |
| 08:04.47 | Nyle | but /sda2 does exist with an ext3 fs on it |
| 08:04.56 | Nyle | whats the problem here, any ideas? |
| 08:05.43 | chovy | ls |
| 08:05.57 | Nyle | chovy: wrong window ;) |
| 08:06.10 | streuner | Nyle: fdisk -l |
| 08:06.21 | Nyle | cannot open /proc/partitions |
| 08:06.25 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:06.31 | Nyle | I did this while chrooted inside |
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| 08:06.38 | Nyle | hang on, let me check /proc |
| 08:06.55 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:07.05 | Nyle | empty inside /proc |
| 08:08.24 | Nyle | streuner: following the install guide section (D.3.3) |
| 08:08.29 | Supaplex | well mount it |
| 08:08.35 | Nyle | streuner: using debootstrap to install |
| 08:08.42 | Nyle | Supaplex: mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 08:08.45 | Nyle | still empty |
| 08:09.07 | Supaplex | missing procfs support?! |
| 08:09.15 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:09.23 | Nyle | so why am I missing it? |
| 08:09.36 | Nyle | I did everthing the install guide said |
| 08:09.42 | Supaplex | kernel was built w/o it, or the module wasn't loaded |
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| 08:10.11 | Nyle | I'm on an ubuntu live cd, I ram debootstrap to install etch amd64 |
| 08:10.18 | Nyle | which kernel are you talking about |
| 08:10.24 | Nyle | a kernel hasn't been downloaded yet |
| 08:10.51 | Nyle | I'm still a noob with this install method |
| 08:11.11 | Nyle | If I could understand what I was doing, I could do it. |
| 08:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: --force-all removes that warning - but it actually chroots to the new dir, so you'd need a complete system under that dir... so - sorry the answer is kind of "no" - what you could do would be to install a complete debian system in home :-/ |
| 08:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: sorry, I remember trying things like that many years ago, and I thought.... |
| 08:12.02 | Supaplex | Nyle: the one in memory |
| 08:12.04 | Nyle | basically debootstrap downloads the base system inside /mnt/debinst. then you chroot to it, create an /etc/fstab, and mount it... it has no mention of if I need procfs tools or some such |
| 08:12.13 | chovy | no worries, thanks anyway. |
| 08:12.14 | anxt | amd64 painful |
| 08:12.19 | anxt | i hope it works for you |
| 08:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | chovy: hm, one moment - ok, dpkg doesnt work, but you can of course just unpack the package |
| 08:12.21 | Supaplex | yes yes I know how that works |
| 08:12.24 | chovy | doin' it the old fashion way |
| 08:12.25 | anxt | gentoo users are always getting stung |
| 08:12.37 | Supaplex | amd64 rawks for me |
| 08:12.41 | Nyle | amd64, painless, but this install method is a bitch |
| 08:12.42 | anxt | good to hear |
| 08:12.46 | Nyle | its just the install method |
| 08:12.50 | Nyle | I've two amd64 boxes here |
| 08:12.53 | anxt | our mailserver is on amd64 |
| 08:12.56 | Nyle | supereme performance |
| 08:13.05 | Nyle | you know what man |
| 08:13.07 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 08:13.30 | Nyle | i'll just download the netboot kernel/initrd and use that to install amd64 etch. Nah, I don't wanna give up, I wanna learn this install method |
| 08:13.35 | Nyle | I dunon what to do! help me decide! |
| 08:13.41 | liable | i always found using the hd-media kernel much better than debootstrap |
| 08:13.58 | Nyle | liable: well yes, I thought about that, but the thing is that I've never tried to install using this method |
| 08:14.17 | Nyle | and if i ever am in a positin/situation where it is the only method available tome, I'd like to be familiar with it a bit |
| 08:14.31 | Nyle | just for personal knowledge growth, its not for work or anything |
| 08:14.39 | liable | carry on then |
| 08:14.48 | anxt | is it necessary to patch the 2.6.18 testing kernel to bootsplash ? |
| 08:14.50 | streuner | Nyle: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 08:15.08 | Nyle | streuner: read it many may times over the course of the past year |
| 08:15.10 | Supaplex | usb u3 install ftw :) |
| 08:15.18 | Nyle | streuner: why are you telling me about it now? |
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| 08:15.31 | streuner | Nyle: it should be easy :-) |
| 08:15.39 | Nyle | streuner: what should be easy? |
| 08:15.47 | Nyle | dude... its not the ARCH that matters here for me |
| 08:15.50 | streuner | installing amd64 via debootstrap |
| 08:15.51 | Nyle | its the debootstrap install me thod |
| 08:16.12 | Nyle | I could eassily use i386, and run into the same problem |
| 08:16.19 | Nyle | because I don't yet fully understand what I'm doing |
| 08:16.27 | Supaplex | ~lart Nyle:/proc |
| 08:16.27 | apt | resizes Nyle:/proc's terminal to 40x24 |
| 08:16.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:16.56 | anxt | bzip2: linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2: data integrity (CRC) error in data |
| 08:16.58 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 08:17.01 | Nyle | Supaplex: ^^ |
| 08:17.05 | Nyle | here is what I am following |
| 08:17.16 | anxt | but the apt-get was happy i assume apt=get does sha4 or md5 or something? |
| 08:17.19 | Supaplex | duh, I do this all the time |
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| 08:17.34 | Nyle | Supaplex: I have just chrooted into the debootstrapped /mnt/debinst |
| 08:17.36 | Chrysler | Hi |
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| 08:17.45 | Supaplex | if you look at bugs.debian.org for debian@foss.daxal.com you'll see four bugs I filed on the install guide |
| 08:17.55 | Nyle | Supaplex: now I have also pasted my /etc/fstab for you |
| 08:18.02 | anxt | wonder if i had bad compact flash |
| 08:18.06 | Chrysler | Chrysler says HI |
| 08:18.16 | Chrysler | wassup |
| 08:18.20 | Nyle | Supaplex: and no /proc... so whats the problem here and how can I fix it? |
| 08:18.28 | Supaplex | I'm not interested in fstab. if proc isn't mounting, you're stuck |
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| 08:18.43 | Supaplex | maybe it's a module |
| 08:18.45 | Nyle | Supaplex: well, fuck fstab, I mounted proc manually, there is nothing in it |
| 08:18.48 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:18.56 | Nyle | Supaplex: so the install guide is buggy? |
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| 08:19.02 | Nyle | bad information? |
| 08:19.16 | streuner | Supaplex: what kind of LIVE-CD you use? |
| 08:19.22 | streuner | do* |
| 08:19.24 | Chrysler | how does Chrysler change the keyboard settings ? |
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| 08:19.43 | Supaplex | 1m, checking make menuconfig. |
| 08:19.48 | Nyle | Chrysler: stop reffering to yourself in the 3rd person |
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| 08:19.55 | streuner | !keymap |
| 08:19.55 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 08:19.56 | Nyle | c'mon guys |
| 08:20.02 | Chrysler | Nyle: why would Chrysler do that ? |
| 08:20.09 | Nyle | ignored. |
| 08:20.16 | Chrysler | Nyle: HAHAHAAAA |
| 08:20.16 | Nyle | streuner: where is my proc? |
| 08:20.17 | Nyle | :( |
| 08:20.21 | streuner | it sounds like you think you are "Nero" :-) |
| 08:20.47 | Chrysler | Nyle: just say it Nyle |
| 08:20.52 | Chrysler | Nyle: say fuck Chrysler |
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| 08:21.24 | streuner | .oO (what kind of troll is this) |
| 08:21.29 | anxt | does anyone know, is it necessary to patch the debian kernel and recompile to use bootsplash ? |
| 08:21.47 | Supaplex | proc_fs=y has a dep on embedded. it doesn't look like it's modular |
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| 08:22.13 | Nyle | ok |
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| 08:22.23 | Nyle | thanks |
| 08:22.28 | Nyle | I mounted proc from outside the chroot |
| 08:22.32 | Nyle | fucking piece of moronic poo |
| 08:23.10 | streuner | thank Supaplex :-) |
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| 08:23.53 | liable | debian kernels would all have it |
| 08:23.55 | Supaplex | streuner: usb u3. it's a usb key with a virtual cd/dvd drive mapped to the flash. I use debain-live |
| 08:24.15 | anxt | Nyle: you need to be outside chroot to mount proc do you not? |
| 08:24.20 | Supaplex | Nyle's a traitor using ubuntu for this ;) |
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| 08:24.40 | Supaplex | no, you can mount proc anytime (if uid=0) |
| 08:24.53 | Nyle | Supaplex: ubuntu livecd |
| 08:25.00 | Nyle | cuz thats all I got laying a round |
| 08:25.02 | Nyle | no os anywhere |
| 08:25.13 | Nyle | I should actually setup a tftpboot pxe on my sid box |
| 08:25.13 | streuner | Nyle: get grml ;-) |
| 08:25.18 | Nyle | !grml |
| 08:25.18 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
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| 08:25.20 | Supaplex | does it support toram? burn a new one |
| 08:25.27 | Nyle | ahh |
| 08:26.11 | cast | grml does |
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| 08:29.05 | liable | why cant you just install grub and boot into debian anyway? |
| 08:29.41 | Nyle | I told you already |
| 08:29.49 | Nyle | I want to use this method at least once |
| 08:29.54 | Nyle | so i can be familiar with it |
| 08:29.57 | moshii | Is it possible to control quotas over ldap? |
| 08:30.06 | liable | the os is already installed.. |
| 08:30.06 | Supaplex | I'd grab the netinst iso, install qemu, and install it via qemu |
| 08:30.17 | Supaplex | it's a live-cd |
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| 08:30.49 | Nyle | liable: obviously if I knew that, .... |
| 08:30.54 | Nyle | liable: I'm a noob |
| 08:30.57 | Nyle | I dunno nothin |
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| 08:31.40 | streuner | Nyle: lesson 13) Have *always* a good LIVE-CD handy. |
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| 08:32.52 | Supaplex | well I can't force you to try qemu+netinst - so I'm off to bed. enjoy! |
| 08:33.46 | streuner | Supaplex: no worries, Nyle is here in a few too, good night |
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| 08:36.45 | Nyle | streuner: yeh |
| 08:37.01 | Nyle | streuner: I'm installing a kernel and a bootloader now |
| 08:37.08 | Nyle | just configured the base system manually |
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| 08:37.25 | Nyle | learning a lot about debian just by using this install method |
| 08:37.39 | Nyle | actually this is good for me |
| 08:37.54 | Nyle | what would even be better, if I learned how to NOT hit enter every few words |
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| 08:38.13 | legendi | re |
| 08:38.14 | Nyle | now I'm beginning to annoy myself... I shall resume the pot smokeage and soon I shall be calm and relaxed and ok |
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| 08:39.39 | legendi | if I write into my crontab the line: "*/15 * * * * echo 'Test'" is it going to be executed in each 15 minutes? |
| 08:39.57 | Nyle | streuner: how about UBCD? |
| 08:40.13 | Nyle | streuner: no good? I'll try grml, since its debian recommended |
| 08:40.47 | anxt | 0,15,45,60 * * * * |
| 08:40.50 | anxt | i think |
| 08:40.56 | anxt | lemme check my bot |
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| 08:41.21 | anxt | 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /home/anxt/eggdrop/infobot3.botchk |
| 08:41.31 | anxt | that works i think using anacron |
| 08:41.45 | anxt | vixie-cron |
| 08:42.06 | anxt | legendi: i think you need to make a script and call from the crontab |
| 08:42.32 | legendi | yy, the echo stuff is just an example |
| 08:42.33 | anxt | 0,15,45,60 * * * * `echo test >> /tmp/test.log` |
| 08:42.35 | anxt | might work |
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| 08:42.49 | Nyle | streuner: could you kindly help me understand the install a prepackaged kernel step |
| 08:42.51 | legendi | btw, I can use redirection there, am I right? |
| 08:43.06 | legendi | oh, kthx |
| 08:43.09 | anxt | legendi: absolutely |
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| 08:43.40 | Nyle | streuner: I need to install the 'kernel-package' package, or a linux-image package? the wording is a bit elusive for me |
| 08:43.45 | anxt | does the */15 notation work? |
| 08:44.16 | anxt | looks familiar |
| 08:44.22 | legendi | dunno, found it here: http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html |
| 08:44.45 | legendi | I haven't seen it yet so I thought I should as it if it really works before doing something :-) |
| 08:45.17 | legendi | btw, how do I get know what kind of cron do I have? |
| 08:45.21 | anxt | i am nearly 100% certain i have seen that before |
| 08:45.28 | anxt | dpkg -l | grep cron |
| 08:45.28 | dpkg | ii | grep cron 1.9-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:46.13 | anxt | dpkg -l | grep john |
| 08:46.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep john |
| 08:46.39 | anxt | does anyone know, is it necessary to patch the debian kernel and recompile to use bootsplash ? |
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| 08:46.56 | anxt | or that aside is the debian sources vendor patched? |
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| 08:47.12 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:47.15 | Nyle | you know what |
| 08:47.17 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:47.21 | Nyle | I'm gonna build a custom kernel too, fuck it |
| 08:47.29 | anxt | Nyle: you should/ |
| 08:47.40 | streuner | anxt: you need to patch, IIRC, just read README.Debian about |
| 08:47.42 | anxt | Nyle: then when all the text scrollz by you can smoke kroniq |
| 08:47.54 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 08:47.57 | Nyle | you dude... |
| 08:48.04 | Nyle | I just lit my bowl as you said that |
| 08:48.06 | Nyle | heh |
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| 08:48.34 | anxt | streuner: any idea why archive integrity would fail short of a bad disk ? |
| 08:48.57 | anxt | dmesg is silent as far as bad crc et al |
| 08:48.58 | Nyle | thats it, I'm gonna ssh over to my laptop and setup a pxe boot |
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| 08:49.07 | anxt | pxe boot is leet |
| 08:49.10 | Nyle | in case this whole thing fails, I'll just use that |
| 08:49.34 | anxt | i had my HTPC diskless for like 2 years |
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| 08:50.32 | cast | because it involves msn :o |
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| 08:50.39 | xingu | hah |
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| 08:51.09 | xingu | pidgin, eh |
| 08:51.34 | cast | filesends work, cam doesn't, |
| 08:52.08 | cast | if you don't need/want filesends then just jabber msn gateway is alright :> |
| 08:52.15 | anxt | how anal is apt-get about verifying download integrity? |
| 08:52.19 | _s4br3_ | Hi, I switched my harddrives from one computer to another, booted up and now have some issues. First, I cannot burn CDs with my PHILIPS PCA382RW burner. It gives the message: "WARNING: No super user permission to setup real time scheduling". Any ideas? |
| 08:52.30 | anxt | does dpkg use sha4? |
| 08:52.39 | anxt | md5 doesn't seem to exist as deb pkg |
| 08:52.49 | cast | sha4? thats not a commonly used term, whatever it maybe |
| 08:53.28 | anxt | can someone give me md5 of linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-17etch1_all.deb |
| 08:54.44 | Nyle | hey guys, I am now trying to install grub and it fails saying /dev/sda is not a block device, I look in /dev/ and I see no device nodes for my hdds/cds |
| 08:55.01 | Nyle | I saw udev being setup earlier |
| 08:55.07 | legendi | when I want to save my crontab file it says wrong minute for this line: "0,20,60 * * * * /root/bin/some.sh >>~/some.log 2>&1" |
| 08:55.10 | Nyle | not sure what to do now |
| 08:55.25 | cast | Nyle: thats because you chrooted into your install? |
| 08:55.30 | Nyle | A chroot environment has been detected, udev not started. |
| 08:55.36 | Nyle | yes |
| 08:55.41 | Nyle | I just read up the log buffer |
| 08:55.59 | cast | Nyle: run grub from outside the chroot, specify the location of root as being /mnt/debian |
| 08:56.01 | Nyle | cast: so how do I start udev now? in order to use grub-install |
| 08:56.07 | Nyle | i see |
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| 08:56.26 | xingu | cast: frankly I'll settle for "doesn't shit itself when someone adds me to their contact list" at this stage |
| 08:56.27 | Nyle | Supaplex: is this one of the bugs you files against the install guide? (I have not yet had a chance to look) |
| 08:56.34 | xingu | cast: pidgin's passing that test so far |
| 08:56.40 | Nyle | filed* |
| 08:56.48 | cast | anxt: it seems to me that there's a Release file, which is signed by gpg, which contains all the md5's |
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| 08:57.01 | streuner | anxt: http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/linux-source-2.6.18/download |
| 08:57.05 | anxt | cast: awesome. i have seen that get apt-getted |
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| 08:57.22 | cast | anxt: oh, not quite, the md5's of Packages files |
| 08:57.22 | anxt | i am quite nearly suspect bad hardware |
| 08:57.23 | cast | hmm |
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| 08:57.43 | xingu | cast: I never liked amsn much anyway, it's about the only thing I use that's tcl based - and tk is punishing from a wakeups/wattage perspective, the event loop is just wrong. |
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| 08:57.56 | anxt | tcl is disgusting |
| 08:58.07 | Nyle | cast: /mnt/debinst (/ of my installed chroot) is mounted from /dev/sda1... if I wanted to install grub on the mbr, should this affect it at all? |
| 08:58.12 | teclo- | Morning, dumb question: in a shell script, I'm trying to display the content of a file, cat /etc/myfile doesn't display anything. What can I do ? |
| 08:58.12 | streuner | anxt: did you get that? |
| 08:58.19 | xingu | the more tcl I pick up the less clean I feel, that's for sure |
| 08:58.29 | anxt | streuner: thank you |
| 08:58.29 | Nyle | cast: where will grub-install end up installing if I install to /mnt/debinst (/dev/sda1 not /dev/sda) |
| 08:58.37 | streuner | anxt: np |
| 08:58.40 | Nyle | or does that not matteR? |
| 08:58.44 | xingu | some of the shit at work has embedded tcl interpreters |
| 08:58.54 | anxt | no i know |
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| 08:59.04 | teclo- | hm actually I'm trying to display what is in /etc/motd |
| 08:59.11 | _good_day | >How the configure script checks for installed library. I want to add an check for lzo library before installing mtd utilities |
| 08:59.11 | cast | Nyle: install grub to /dev/sda |
| 08:59.13 | teclo- | but cat /etc/motd does not display antyhing when the user logs in |
| 08:59.23 | Nyle | cast: from outside the chroot? |
| 08:59.36 | xingu | [dopeyfunction -and its argument list] |
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| 08:59.46 | cast | anxt: ok, the Packages.gz file the Release points to has the hashes of all the packages :> |
| 08:59.54 | cast | Nyle: yes. |
| 09:00.13 | anxt | cast: cool at least i am learning how deb is put together |
| 09:00.20 | cast | me too! |
| 09:00.20 | anxt | i used to use it was back in the day |
| 09:00.26 | legendi | strange, */15 seems ok, lets see if it works :-) |
| 09:00.32 | xingu | whoracle's enterprise mangle is based around the idea of submitting tcl jobs to the managed system and collecting the output |
| 09:00.44 | anxt | legendi: try */1 you don't hfata wait as long lol |
| 09:00.47 | xingu | cisco have it embedded in their voice shit for IVR |
| 09:00.54 | Nyle | cast: do I run grub-install /dev/sda from outside the chroot? As much as I understand, would the chroot's grub package's update-grub do anything or not? I think I would also have to create manually a menu.lst? |
| 09:01.02 | xingu | I've got some muxes that have their whole user interface written in it |
| 09:01.14 | xingu | no wonder the comms world is a crumbling wreck at the best of times |
| 09:01.28 | Nyle | cast: don't quite fully understand the procedure |
| 09:01.40 | cast | Nyle: oh, you will need a working grub config in /mnt/debinst, yes, install it from outside the chroot, specifying the chroot with --root-dir=/mnt/debinst/ |
| 09:02.20 | Nyle | cast: and --root-dir is an argument for grub-install or update-grub? |
| 09:02.37 | cast | grub-install |
| 09:02.41 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 09:02.54 | Nyle | let me toke, read and take this all in |
| 09:03.29 | xingu | neat way to freak out a senior ops manager - from enable mode, use the tcl (or is it tclsh?) hidden command, then bang together some inline code that turns show command output into something machine parseable |
| 09:03.48 | bkw- | Is linux-image-2.6-686-smp correct kernel package if I'm on a core2duo with 3G ram? |
| 09:03.58 | Nyle | bkw-: yes |
| 09:04.06 | Nyle | bkw-: though you shouldn't need to use it |
| 09:04.15 | Nyle | bkw-: all 686 kernels are SMP enabled by default |
| 09:04.20 | liable | bkw-: what debian version are you running? smp is deprecated, all kernels support it now |
| 09:04.23 | _s4br3_ | Hrrmmm... The CD burning issue was solved, by switching driver in the K3B GUI... |
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| 09:05.04 | bkw- | liable: etch, maybe linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 does the same? |
| 09:05.13 | ootput | hello. I've got a machine running as a firewall for my wireless lan (with authentication schemes + encryption, but for this incident, both have been disabled.) Previously, I had a wired lan, and my firewall rules for port forwarding worked splendidly. Using those rules as a template for my wireless lan, I'm unable to get the port-forwarding to work. What should I do differently? |
| 09:05.15 | legendi | teclo-: do you have permission to read that file? |
| 09:05.41 | Nyle | liable: I'm on a ubuntu live cd |
| 09:05.46 | Nyle | er.. no tliable |
| 09:05.52 | liable | bkw-: yes, but where did you see the 2.6-686-smp package? |
| 09:05.56 | Nyle | cast: I'm on a ubuntu livd cd, Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
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| 09:06.39 | Nyle | !ops hi there flooding going on |
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| 09:07.32 | teclo- | legendi: yes |
| 09:07.35 | bkw- | Nyle: the -bigmem is if I've above 4GB right? |
| 09:07.37 | teclo- | legendi: it is world-readable |
| 09:07.46 | Nyle | bkw-: that is correct |
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| 09:10.01 | Nyle | cast: I tried to install grub to /dev/sda (with and without root-dir=/mnt/debinst, and I get Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 09:10.48 | Nyle | I dunno, but is it because I'm on a live cd instead of a actual grub installed os? |
| 09:10.51 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 09:11.05 | anxt | even if you can't get the bootstrap loader on mbr |
| 09:11.14 | anxt | you can still bootstrap it from livecd |
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| 09:11.29 | anxt | grub might play nicer when you weren't chrooted |
| 09:11.47 | Nyle | what? |
| 09:12.04 | Nyle | except for the last sentence,I got nothing from that |
| 09:12.05 | Nyle | :( |
| 09:12.09 | anxt | i have had grub mess with me trying to install it |
| 09:12.24 | tga | is it possible to chown a dir to a group I'm not part of? |
| 09:12.26 | Nyle | ok before I get even more confused than I already am |
| 09:12.36 | anxt | mbr is the master boot record, it is a bit less than 512 bytes on the very beginning of your disk |
| 09:12.44 | Nyle | I am aware |
| 09:12.50 | Nyle | how does that information help me? |
| 09:13.04 | anxt | well assuming kernel and filesystems is all layed out right |
| 09:13.16 | _s4br3_ | Hrrmmm... The CD burning issue was solved, by switching driver in the K3B GUI... |
| 09:13.21 | anxt | you could boot from a usbstick and specify kernel and initrd |
| 09:13.28 | anxt | i do it all the time |
| 09:13.44 | anxt | anything you can get a grub prompt from |
| 09:13.44 | Nyle | can we focus, please |
| 09:14.00 | Nyle | I see what you're saying |
| 09:14.03 | anxt | quit bogartting that john blaze shit then |
| 09:14.20 | Nyle | get a grub prompt, and boot the initrd and kernel |
| 09:14.40 | Nyle | I can't remember names, so I can make symlinks in / for linux and /initrd pointing to /boot/blahblah |
| 09:14.50 | Nyle | hmm. thats a good idea, I hadn't thought about |
| 09:14.53 | anxt | yeah that will work |
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| 09:15.02 | anxt | sometrhing like |
| 09:15.13 | Nyle | anxt: you're pretty smart too |
| 09:15.17 | Nyle | word man |
| 09:15.18 | anxt | (hd0,0)/boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:15.19 | Nyle | here, toke this |
| 09:15.27 | ftp3 | how can i make sure my iptables are working properly? |
| 09:15.35 | sauvin | OPS: OP UP. |
| 09:15.37 | anxt | ftp3: get me to packet you? |
| 09:15.51 | Nyle | free online security/port scanner tests |
| 09:15.58 | valdyn | ftp3: try and error or add a logging rule |
| 09:16.07 | anxt | ftp3: i usually hop on a shell and test port forwards |
| 09:16.22 | anxt | frankly i don't care about firewalling, just nat and rdr |
| 09:16.30 | Nyle | just do stuff you're not supposed to |
| 09:16.41 | Nyle | sauvin: ? |
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| 09:16.44 | anxt | packet filters are overrated |
| 09:17.12 | anxt | put a gatewat between yous sensitive machines and make sure they aren't routable to ports you don't want |
| 09:17.13 | sauvin | Nyle: spate of join/flood attacks on #linux-related channels. |
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| 09:17.22 | Nyle | spate? |
| 09:18.06 | ftp3 | well, this: iptables -A INPUT -p sctp --dport 80 -j DROP should block port 80. right? |
| 09:18.16 | anxt | i don't do linux firewalls |
| 09:18.23 | anxt | strictly pf |
| 09:18.24 | sauvin | Nyle: wave, rash, whatever. |
| 09:18.44 | anxt | iptables makes me wanna puke |
| 09:19.07 | _s4br3_ | Hi, I cannot "Soft boot" my Debian Sid 32-bit. I only get the message "Reboot and select proper Boot device" etc. and have to turn it off and turn it on manually. What could be the issue? |
| 09:19.07 | anxt | prolly cool if i took the time to learn it |
| 09:19.23 | anxt | _s4br3_: ACPI ? |
| 09:19.30 | _s4br3_ | ACPI? |
| 09:19.35 | anxt | doesn't ACPI do that? |
| 09:19.46 | valdyn | _s4br3_: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 09:20.03 | ftp3 | lol, why does iptables make you want to puke? |
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| 09:20.11 | moshii | How the hell do you enable xfs quota support without baking the box? :/ |
| 09:20.11 | _s4br3_ | No, I had the same issue with 23-1 and and upgraded to 24-1 and still have the issue |
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| 09:20.21 | valdyn | ftp3: why are you using it? |
| 09:20.32 | valdyn | ftp3: no one's forcing you |
| 09:21.39 | ftp3 | i want to use it, i thought it was funny that anxt said it made him want to puke, I assume there is a story with that statement |
| 09:22.09 | anxt | i jsut find it convoluted |
| 09:22.16 | anxt | pf makes more sense to me |
| 09:22.23 | anxt | then again i prefer bsd for a lot of things |
| 09:22.31 | Nyle | I still can't figure out why I can't install grub to sda |
| 09:22.34 | anxt | just preference |
| 09:22.45 | anxt | Nyle: are you in chroot? |
| 09:22.51 | Nyle | no |
| 09:22.54 | valdyn | this is just low level interfaces, in debian almost no one has to use those low level interfaces |
| 09:22.58 | valdyn | i cant speak for *bsd |
| 09:23.00 | ftp3 | yeah, i dont know either, so I suppose when i learn one, i will be able to have an opinion |
| 09:23.02 | _s4br3_ | anxt: I tranferred to the HD from one computer to another. Could that be i? |
| 09:23.02 | Nyle | root@ubuntu:~# grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt/debinst/ |
| 09:23.02 | Nyle | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 09:23.06 | Nyle | see |
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| 09:23.33 | anxt | sounds like you are in the chroot |
| 09:24.02 | Nyle | desktop:/# grub-install /dev/sda |
| 09:24.03 | Nyle | /dev/sda: Not found or not a block device. |
| 09:24.05 | anxt | _s4br3_: for iptables problems? no. |
| 09:24.05 | Nyle | this is the chroot |
| 09:24.23 | valdyn | Nyle: your /dev in the chroot wants to be filled with stuff |
| 09:24.38 | Nyle | valdyn: yes, but udev won't run because of chroot |
| 09:24.43 | anxt | Nyle: don't you need to be out of the chroot to grub-install /dev/sda? |
| 09:24.48 | valdyn | Nyle: thats good |
| 09:25.08 | Nyle | valdyn: so what to do |
| 09:25.09 | valdyn | Nyle: cp -av /dev/.static/dev/* /path/to/chroot/dev/ |
| 09:25.28 | Nyle | valdyn: would you tell me what that does please? |
| 09:25.34 | valdyn | Nyle: it copies files |
| 09:25.37 | Nyle | lol |
| 09:25.50 | Nyle | I am aware, but what am I copying exactly |
| 09:26.05 | valdyn | Nyle: theres the "ls" command |
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| 09:26.18 | Nyle | valdyn: ok.. what do these files I am copying, do |
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| 09:26.28 | valdyn | Nyle: they are device nodes |
| 09:26.32 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 09:26.40 | Nyle | ok that makes sense |
| 09:27.02 | valdyn | Nyle: -a to preserve everything, the -v is just for fanciness |
| 09:27.03 | _s4br3_ | anxt: iptables? |
| 09:27.03 | Nyle | I figure as much but wanted to be sure, as I saw you were copying them to the /dev/ of the chroot |
| 09:27.28 | anxt | ok debian dpkg people this is whacked |
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| 09:28.14 | anxt | exact size of linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-17etch1_all.deb is right |
| 09:28.17 | anxt | md5 sum failed |
| 09:28.18 | Nyle | valdyn: btw, /dev/.static/dev/* (I'm on an ubuntu live cd) |
| 09:28.25 | anxt | dpkg installs it |
| 09:28.28 | Nyle | dunno if that matters or not |
| 09:28.35 | anxt | what is the deal? |
| 09:28.39 | valdyn | Nyle: just check if that directory exists |
| 09:28.54 | Nyle | `/dev/.static/dev/sg16' -> `/mnt/debinst/dev/sg16' |
| 09:28.56 | Nyle | apparantly |
| 09:28.58 | Nyle | yes |
| 09:29.13 | valdyn | Nyle: its a udev artifact to mount the phyisical /dev contents into /dev/.static in the udev tmpfs |
| 09:29.16 | Nyle | I need to read about how udev works and how device nodes are generated |
| 09:29.27 | Nyle | ahh you read my mind valdyn |
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| 09:30.15 | Nyle | seriously man, my mind was going numb driving around deliving pizza, no motivation for life, just smoking pot and doing shit job |
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| 09:30.36 | Nyle | finally got off my ass got a few sysadmin interviews next week, smoking way less pot |
| 09:30.49 | Nyle | and getting back into learning debian, man this feels fantastic :) |
| 09:30.50 | anxt | how much wedd you smoke |
| 09:31.01 | anxt | 1/8th a day? |
| 09:31.03 | Nyle | usually an ounce or more a week of hydro |
| 09:31.11 | Nyle | close to a quarter a day |
| 09:31.15 | Nyle | when i can afford it |
| 09:31.17 | anxt | that is too much |
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| 09:31.28 | Nyle | I realized that. |
| 09:31.34 | anxt | *shrug* |
| 09:31.37 | anxt | not slamming you |
| 09:31.54 | Nyle | feel free, I know I was being irresonsible and actually abusing the drug instead of recreational use |
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| 09:32.00 | Nyle | its alright, better late than never. |
| 09:32.03 | valdyn | Nyle: you need to read snow crash |
| 09:32.15 | valdyn | Nyle: you need to read "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson |
| 09:32.18 | o7andrew | hey wow |
| 09:32.34 | o7andrew | (hi anxt!) |
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| 09:34.02 | anxt | yeah we get around on irc |
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| 09:34.49 | anxt | ok how is this possible. md5 sum is bad exact size is good apt-get installs kernel sources |
| 09:34.54 | valdyn | ok this is weird, linux no longer takes CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 09:35.20 | valdyn | anxt: mirror faulty |
| 09:35.21 | anxt | does apt-get check md5 sum before it installs ????? |
| 09:35.34 | anxt | valdyn: apt-get doesn't sanity check? |
| 09:35.43 | valdyn | anxt: it does |
| 09:35.47 | anxt | that would be a serious security risk |
| 09:35.59 | Nyle | valdyn: just a thought... a bind mount on /dev to /chroot/dev would have accomplished the same task as copying the device nodes? |
| 09:36.00 | Vasistha | peterS: btw, thanks very much for your /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ recommendation -- I am now able to connect to the funky dhcp server with a proper subnet mask :) |
| 09:36.08 | Nyle | valdyn: at least for the time being? |
| 09:36.12 | valdyn | Nyle: for some needs yes |
| 09:36.35 | Nyle | valdyn: I still can't install grub |
| 09:36.36 | valdyn | Nyle: if you dont want to make the chroot bootable, bind mount is the way to go |
| 09:36.40 | anxt | valdyn: is it possible for apt-get to install something with an md5 that DOESN"T match? |
| 09:36.44 | Nyle | I'm not sure what I'm missing so far |
| 09:36.57 | valdyn | anxt: no idea, i would guess you can do anything with -o |
| 09:36.58 | Nyle | valdyn: I'm good at reading and following directions, but the install guide is just... meh |
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| 09:37.24 | valdyn | Nyle: whats the error message? |
| 09:37.35 | anxt | valdyn: i will d/l to another box and md5 |
| 09:38.05 | Nyle | valdyn: I am outside of the chroot. I am on an ubuntu live cd. root@ubuntu:~# grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/dev/sda |
| 09:38.08 | Nyle | mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/sda/boot': Not a directory |
| 09:38.23 | valdyn | Nyle: /dev/sda isnt a directory |
| 09:38.31 | anxt | /dev/sda is the hd device |
| 09:38.43 | Nyle | er.. |
| 09:38.48 | Nyle | what did I do ? |
| 09:38.55 | anxt | *cough* |
| 09:38.58 | Nyle | heh |
| 09:39.02 | valdyn | Nyle: --root-directory=/path/to/chroot/ |
| 09:39.19 | Nyle | yeh I meant /mnt/debinst |
| 09:39.20 | Nyle | whoops |
| 09:39.24 | Nyle | total brain fart |
| 09:39.37 | Nyle | root@ubuntu:~# grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt/debinst/ |
| 09:39.37 | Nyle | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 09:39.43 | Nyle | this was the one |
| 09:39.43 | anxt | check twice type once at the # prompt :) |
| 09:39.56 | Nyle | measure twice, cut once |
| 09:40.05 | Nyle | great advice, I shall keep it in mind |
| 09:40.39 | valdyn | Nyle: grub-install --recheck |
| 09:41.02 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.11 | valdyn | right |
| 09:41.13 | Nyle | ok, valdyn sorry to bug you again |
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| 09:41.17 | Nyle | why are we doing that? |
| 09:41.34 | Nyle | (just want to understand everything I do) |
| 09:41.37 | valdyn | Nyle: to map bios drive to linux devices |
| 09:41.55 | Nyle | ahh I see, and then what the error message says, will be provided |
| 09:42.00 | Nyle | aha |
| 09:42.15 | valdyn | Nyle: bios drive C aka grub hd0 can be any /dev/sd* theoretically, grub needs to create proper mapping |
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| 09:42.41 | Nyle | (me jots down on his notepad on list of things to learn about next) |
| 09:42.55 | Nyle | including proper sentence structure and grammar. |
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| 09:43.29 | Nyle | valdyn: btw, have you had the chance to check out grub2 yet? |
| 09:43.38 | valdyn | Nyle: i dont care about it |
| 09:43.45 | mynullvoid | what I need to install to satisfy the requirement for checking for giblib - version >= 1.2.3... no <--- |
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| 09:44.17 | Nyle | valdyn: does grub-install --recheck need anything else? |
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| 09:44.27 | Nyle | root@ubuntu:~# grub-install --recheck |
| 09:44.27 | Nyle | install_device not specified. |
| 09:44.52 | valdyn | Nyle: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda --root-directory=/dev/sda |
| 09:44.58 | Nyle | heh |
| 09:45.08 | Nyle | I was thinking that is what the intall_device param meant |
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| 09:45.54 | Nyle | --root-directory=/dev/sda? |
| 09:46.13 | Nyle | valdyn: don't you mean /mnt/debinst ? |
| 09:46.49 | valdyn | Nyle: ops, yea, i just used cut & paste |
| 09:47.14 | valdyn | mynullvoid: libglib2.0-dev i guess |
| 09:48.00 | Nyle | (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 09:48.02 | Nyle | nice |
| 09:48.28 | anxt | umm |
| 09:48.47 | anxt | do i see a potential explot? |
| 09:48.56 | anxt | i cannot be having this behaviour |
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| 09:52.28 | mynullvoid | ok |
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| 09:53.01 | xushi | If i want to replace a RAID disk, does the new one have to have a file system on it, or just an empty partition ? |
| 09:53.26 | valdyn | xushi: just the proper partition(s) |
| 09:53.33 | xushi | thanks |
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| 09:54.19 | gordonjcp | xushi: you mean in an actual running RAID set? |
| 09:54.35 | Nyle | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/48766 <- this look ok for my debian chroot's menu.lst? |
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| 09:55.57 | valdyn | Nyle: yes |
| 09:56.31 | Nyle | I should get a checklist |
| 09:56.38 | Nyle | what do I need to check for before I reboot now |
| 09:56.45 | Nyle | seems like I've done everything needed |
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| 09:57.10 | doktoreas | hello everybody |
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| 09:57.35 | doktoreas | while looking for a video streaming codec, wich is the best option to grant most access for linux users? |
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| 09:57.55 | valdyn | doktoreas: mpeg2 |
| 09:58.05 | doktoreas | thank you very much |
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| 09:58.31 | valdyn | doktoreas: but mplayer plays h.264 and that one has a hugely better space/quality ratio |
| 09:58.31 | Shnoodle | many linux users can get any codec they want to work |
| 09:58.37 | Nyle | valdyn: For the grub bootloader, you should set the do_bootloader option to “no”. And to automatically update your /boot/grub/menu.lst on installation or removal of Debian kernels, add the following lines: .. (what exactly does this option do)? |
| 09:58.55 | Nyle | the do_bootloader |
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| 09:59.28 | doktoreas | Shnoodle, the matter is that i don't want force people download proprietary codec |
| 09:59.33 | valdyn | doktoreas: i would do some research on h.264 due to its quality |
| 09:59.43 | valdyn | doktoreas: the implementation is fre software |
| 09:59.50 | Shnoodle | doktoreas: oh i see, carry on then :) |
| 09:59.50 | wols_ | Shnoodle: tell this to a debian ppc user who visits youtube... |
| 10:00.01 | doktoreas | :) |
| 10:00.13 | wols_ | valdyn: in what country? |
| 10:00.22 | valdyn | wols_: in debian |
| 10:00.26 | Nyle | wols_: hi |
| 10:00.36 | slept | how do I make gdm use my xorg.conf ? It just ignores it. So I get different results when starting the xserver with xinint ... I am trying to set up dual-headed display which works fine with xinit |
| 10:00.41 | wols_ | what about the mpegla? |
| 10:00.54 | valdyn | wols_: whats that? |
| 10:01.30 | valdyn | ops, x264 is just in marillat |
| 10:01.30 | Nyle | slept: look at /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 10:01.39 | Nyle | slept: you will see how xinit launches X |
| 10:01.42 | valdyn | the implementation is still free, i suppose this is again patent issues |
| 10:01.42 | doktoreas | valdyn, h.264 seem fine |
| 10:01.46 | valdyn | !x264 |
| 10:01.51 | wols_ | valdyn: http://www.mpegla.com/aboutus.cfm |
| 10:01.54 | slept | Nyle, thanks |
| 10:01.56 | valdyn | !h.264 |
| 10:01.58 | Nyle | slept: maybe its doing something there that you may need to copy to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 10:02.57 | valdyn | wols_: no idea about patents really, but linux distros ship mpeg support anyway |
| 10:03.06 | doktoreas | i'll test with h264 and mp3 |
| 10:03.25 | wols_ | valdyn: I know. doesn't make it legal |
| 10:03.53 | valdyn | wols_: ok - but violating patents isnt illegal |
| 10:03.59 | Nyle | slept: fyi, xorg is parsed the same (less the options to override at command line, e.g, option xinerama off in xorg.conf, override with startx (or X) -- +xinerama etc. etc. (- too) |
| 10:04.17 | wols_ | maybe not, but possily very very costly |
| 10:04.23 | valdyn | wols_: right |
| 10:04.24 | wols_ | even if you are found nojn infringing |
| 10:04.30 | wols_ | *non |
| 10:04.39 | Nyle | wols_: valdyn: both germany? |
| 10:04.51 | valdyn | wols_: in the US anyway. |
| 10:04.56 | wols_ | Nyle: germany has no sftwar patents (officially at least) |
| 10:04.56 | Nyle | ahh |
| 10:05.07 | wols_ | mpegla is a US company |
| 10:05.12 | valdyn | wols_: germany has software patents but no enforcement |
| 10:05.25 | valdyn | wols_: thousands of software patents at least |
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| 10:05.28 | Nyle | I meant are you both from germany? |
| 10:05.29 | Nyle | :) |
| 10:05.30 | wols_ | the only idiots with software patents are merkins |
| 10:05.36 | slept | Nyle, xinit just starts X as I expected ... exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp . Thats what you ment , right ? |
| 10:05.49 | Nyle | slept: that is correct |
| 10:06.03 | Shnoodle | wols_: as a merkin, i represent that opinion |
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| 10:06.21 | valdyn | plenty comapnies made software patents and payed the money to get those, but they're not enforcable |
| 10:06.22 | wols_ | Shnoodle: good that we agree |
| 10:06.24 | slept | Nyle, I cant find any option given in gdm , so it must have a stranghe default .... |
| 10:06.24 | Nyle | slept: maybe gdm is introducing a -dpi (I hate that) |
| 10:06.35 | wols_ | valdyn: dream on |
| 10:06.37 | Nyle | slept: for example |
| 10:07.20 | valdyn | wols_: id like to learn about that if its any different |
| 10:07.34 | wols_ | learn about what? |
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| 10:07.50 | valdyn | wols_: software patents actually being enforced in the EU |
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| 10:07.59 | wols_ | they aren't. directly |
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| 10:08.33 | wols_ | basically companies patent something that has software and hardware. and since the software is part of the hardware it is patented by extension |
| 10:08.49 | Nyle | I ran tasksel install standard |
| 10:08.52 | Nyle | why did I do that? |
| 10:09.03 | Nyle | and not its running and I can't cancel it lest I kill the pid |
| 10:09.11 | valdyn | wols_: yea, ok, but that means nothign for enformenent yet |
| 10:09.27 | wols_ | unisys |
| 10:09.43 | valdyn | wols_: got a link? |
| 10:09.45 | Nyle | it should hav an option to cancel it |
| 10:09.57 | wols_ | you don't know about the unisys lzw patent? |
| 10:10.06 | wols_ | http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/forum/index.html |
| 10:10.29 | valdyn | wols_: i dont care about the patent, i know theres thousands including software, but i dont know about actual enformenet |
| 10:11.28 | Shnoodle | SCO sues you... |
| 10:11.53 | wols_ | the US has thousands of software patents in court |
| 10:12.02 | valdyn | sure |
| 10:12.11 | wols_ | and if something is contested like this in the US, debian can't and won't ship it. see former non-us |
| 10:12.18 | valdyn | right |
| 10:12.43 | wols_ | so while european patent cases about software are rare, it doesn't matter |
| 10:12.49 | valdyn | they really should put stuff like that into non-US, because that is what it is |
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| 10:13.02 | wols_ | but they don't |
| 10:13.15 | gordonjcp | wols_: so, why not include the software, but not allow its release in the US? |
| 10:13.24 | wols_ | gordonjcp: don't ask me |
| 10:13.41 | wols_ | ask http.us.debian.org |
| 10:13.45 | valdyn | gordonjcp: marillat is doing a good job, theres not that much practical need to find a different solution |
| 10:13.56 | Shnoodle | That very same issue arose with strong encryption in the 70s |
| 10:14.00 | gordonjcp | it's one of the things that pisses me off about Ubuntu |
| 10:14.00 | valdyn | gordonjcp: but i just think officially supported in non-US would be nicer |
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| 10:14.24 | valdyn | Shnoodle: not the same |
| 10:14.41 | Shnoodle | people were shipping easily scanable books with code written in them, while electronic copies were deemed a threat to national security |
| 10:14.43 | valdyn | Shnoodle: strong encryption was totally unproblematic to import into the US |
| 10:14.48 | anxt | are rootkits non-free? |
| 10:15.08 | gordonjcp | it would be easier to have it include (say) MP3 codecs, and have a restricted US-only version without |
| 10:15.11 | valdyn | anxt: rootkits can be licensed like any other software |
| 10:15.24 | anxt | so gpl rootkits can be in main ? |
| 10:15.31 | valdyn | anxt: sure |
| 10:15.34 | anxt | nice |
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| 10:15.41 | gordonjcp | heh |
| 10:15.45 | wols_ | gordonjcp: mp3 is different. it has an exemption patent wise |
| 10:15.49 | gordonjcp | didn't they do that for an april fool many years ago? |
| 10:15.55 | wols_ | mpeg2 and mpeg4 do not |
| 10:15.57 | anxt | codecs are shady |
| 10:15.57 | gordonjcp | wols_: it's not covered by patent anyway |
| 10:16.11 | wols_ | oh it is. mp3 is a european patent even |
| 10:16.11 | gordonjcp | it's software |
| 10:16.13 | anxt | i think the win32codec pack from mplayer is stolen |
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| 10:16.18 | gordonjcp | uhm, no |
| 10:16.24 | wols_ | valdyn: it's enforced too. ask thomson multimedia and fraunhofer |
| 10:16.24 | valdyn | anxt: they actually are, or at least have been in a way, since there has been various security scanning tools that can just aswell exploit the hole |
| 10:16.28 | gordonjcp | you *cannot* patent software in Europe |
| 10:16.36 | wols_ | gordonjcp: it is patented |
| 10:16.45 | gordonjcp | you can patent specific hardware implementations of the MP3 codec |
| 10:16.51 | valdyn | wols_: i dont know about them sueing marillat |
| 10:16.52 | anxt | you should be able to patenet softwarew |
| 10:16.53 | gordonjcp | but you cannot patent the algorithm |
| 10:16.53 | valdyn | wols_: or lame |
| 10:16.56 | anxt | i think it sucks |
| 10:16.58 | wols_ | gordonjcp: fucking progress bars on screen are patented in europe |
| 10:17.00 | valdyn | wols_: that guy isnt anonymous |
| 10:17.00 | anxt | but really |
| 10:17.10 | gordonjcp | wols_: they *can't* be patented |
| 10:17.15 | wols_ | valdyn: I told you about the exemtpion. read on wikipeda |
| 10:17.21 | gordonjcp | wols_: you can't patent software |
| 10:17.22 | wols_ | gordonjcp: tell the to the EU patent office since it IS |
| 10:17.26 | gordonjcp | it's really pretty simple |
| 10:17.33 | valdyn | gordonjcp: they can be patented, that is totally irrelevant to this discussion |
| 10:17.40 | gordonjcp | wols_: you can get one granted I'm sure, but legally it can't be enforced |
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| 10:17.47 | valdyn | gordonjcp: you can patent alot more stuff than you will win in court |
| 10:18.03 | gordonjcp | valdyn: I know |
| 10:18.14 | wols_ | gordonjcp: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:T8TpR_WKNskJ:gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1022648+european+progress+bar+patent&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=de&client=firefox-a |
| 10:18.16 | gordonjcp | I actually hold a couple of patents, and have half a dozen more pending |
| 10:18.20 | anxt | i have written a bit of "pateneted sofatware" |
| 10:18.23 | gordonjcp | it costs a fucking *fortune* incidentally |
| 10:18.39 | anxt | but my boss said he didn't care sho ripped it just don't put it on sourceforge |
| 10:19.28 | anxt | then again i am not smart like those ppl who do lz and huffman and MDCT |
| 10:19.31 | Shnoodle | seems like these "trade secrets" are actually all just ways the developer can improve on software, stealing it and calling it your own can be done without source code |
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| 10:20.05 | anxt | Shnoodle: intesresting postion |
| 10:20.20 | gordonjcp | Shnoodle: well, I have ripped off some software and modified (and improved) it without the source ;-) |
| 10:20.22 | anxt | why shouldbn'[t i be allowed to decompile anything on MY WIRE! |
| 10:20.29 | gordonjcp | Shnoodle: didn't say it was mine though, I just said I poked at it |
| 10:20.57 | anxt | my wire i pay for it packets show up on it |
| 10:21.16 | anxt | i can't unpack them? |
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| 10:21.30 | o7andrew | ! |
| 10:23.04 | Shnoodle | gordonjcp: determined crackers can poke software all day long, the casual development community wont look twice at a bug in some proprietary app though |
| 10:23.32 | Nyle | valdyn: I booted the debian install, and there was much rejoicing. |
| 10:23.49 | Nyle | valdyn: then it stayed on "waiting for root file system" and thats it, nothing else |
| 10:24.11 | Nyle | valdyn: what did I forget to do? (I can't think of anything) |
| 10:24.33 | valdyn | Nyle: /etc/fstab or the initrd |
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| 10:24.59 | moshii | anxt: wiretapping laws etc |
| 10:25.10 | wols_ | anot to mention the DMCA or EUCD |
| 10:25.24 | anxt | moshii: maybe. but if it comes to my house? |
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| 10:25.30 | Nyle | valdyn: I can see how I might not have mentioned the proper options or paths in fstab, but what could the initrd have to do with it? |
| 10:25.44 | moshii | anxt: if the traffice is intended for you that's fine. |
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| 10:26.01 | wols_ | your controller drivers and filesystem drivers might be in your initrd |
| 10:26.02 | valdyn | recently italy made distributing mp3 rips of CD audio legal, by mistake. Just usually the cluelessness of politicians doesnt work in "my" direction |
| 10:26.02 | moshii | anxt: s/traffice/traffic |
| 10:26.18 | anxt | doesn't matter if it was intended |
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| 10:26.23 | anxt | if it showed up on my wire |
| 10:26.28 | anxt | and i am paying for it |
| 10:26.35 | anxt | they are my packets |
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| 10:26.56 | moshii | anxt: depends on where you are, a lot of places dictate that nothing is yours |
| 10:27.19 | anxt | i am in canada land of the subjugated! |
| 10:27.24 | anxt | so poo on you! |
| 10:27.29 | moshii | anxt: your isp might also have some say in things as they are leasing that connection to you, you are bound by their contract |
| 10:27.40 | anxt | meh no |
| 10:27.50 | anxt | i have two fibre connectrions |
| 10:27.56 | anxt | neither of them give a crap |
| 10:28.22 | moshii | they give a crap when you piss someone off and they need someone to blame |
| 10:28.23 | anxt | grouptelecom was pissing me off today |
| 10:28.37 | anxt | moshii: maybe |
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| 10:29.03 | anxt | when you pay for a big connection they dont give a crap |
| 10:29.28 | Nyle | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/48767 <-- my fstab (it seems ok to me, what do you think) |
| 10:29.29 | moshii | they are legally bound to give a crap, don't be a child |
| 10:29.33 | anxt | we have two difffernt isp coming in on 10 mbit fiber |
| 10:29.36 | xushi | how does one remove a disk from a raid1 array through mdadm? `mdadm --manage --remove /dev/md4 /dev/sdi1` gives me error: "hot remove failed for /dev/sdi1: device or resource busy" |
| 10:29.45 | anxt | and a colo on up to gigabit |
| 10:30.02 | Nyle | valdyn: I re-read the part about the initrd, I didn't seem to miss anything from the install guide |
| 10:30.19 | valdyn | Nyle: is that error before or after the initrd? |
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| 10:30.43 | Nyle | valdyn: you mean during the bootup process? |
| 10:30.50 | valdyn | Nyle: yes |
| 10:30.52 | Nyle | valdyn: its after my hdd/cd/usb are initialized |
| 10:31.02 | Nyle | valdyn: I'm sorry I don't know enough to answer that |
| 10:31.33 | valdyn | Nyle: does grub have the proper root=/dev/sda1 option? |
| 10:31.39 | Nyle | no it does not |
| 10:31.48 | Nyle | valdyn: you said my menu.lst looked fine ;) |
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| 10:31.57 | valdyn | Nyle: yea, wrongly |
| 10:32.06 | Nyle | heh |
| 10:32.08 | valdyn | Nyle: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 |
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| 10:32.15 | Nyle | ok got ya |
| 10:32.29 | Nyle | (sure this time?) |
| 10:32.32 | Nyle | hehehe j/k |
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| 10:32.38 | valdyn | Nyle: no never |
| 10:32.38 | xushi | help! I tried `mdadm --stop /dev/md4` but now if i try to replace the disk it says "cannot get array info for /dev/md4` |
| 10:32.51 | Gruelius | does the version of mdadm in Etch support Raid6 reshaping? |
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| 10:32.56 | valdyn | xushi: why the hell did you stop /dev/md4 |
| 10:32.59 | valdyn | xushi: start it |
| 10:33.16 | xushi | valdyn: i thought ihad to stop it first before i replace the disk because it keeps saying device is busy |
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| 10:33.29 | valdyn | xushi: you remove the failed disk, you dont stop the array |
| 10:33.43 | xushi | how do you start it? --start isn't working |
| 10:33.49 | NightElf_omfg | xyi |
| 10:33.55 | valdyn | xushi: read the manual |
| 10:34.13 | slept | i am looking for a gdm channel, but it is not on freenode or has a different name and google does not help ... any ideas ? |
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| 10:35.32 | xushi | ah, -R |
| 10:35.43 | xushi | hmm, no |
| 10:36.25 | xushi | damn it, how does one go up in man? |
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| 10:36.39 | Nyle | ok going to restart now :) |
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| 10:37.22 | slept | xushi, install less , i think it use more when less is not installed and than you can't go up ... |
| 10:37.41 | xushi | what i'm doing is /start in man mdadm |
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| 10:38.06 | NightElf_omfg | Here everyone use Bnc from that so much to people? |
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| 10:38.46 | slept | xushi, "n" and "N" make you go through your results, or man man |
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| 10:39.13 | Shnoodle | NightElf_omfg: ni hao? |
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| 10:39.16 | xushi | slept: yes, i'm using n, but it shows me the sentence for the command at the very top, and the command is not shown unless i go up one or two lines |
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| 10:39.43 | NightElf_omfg | debhelper, why 788 ? |
| 10:39.59 | NightElf_omfg | Shnoodle, hm? |
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| 10:40.28 | xushi | it still doesn't work, `mdadm -R /dev/md4` gives me "failed to run array /dev/md4: invalid argument" |
| 10:40.42 | Shnoodle | NightElf_omfg: sorry, NightElves who speak like that are normally chinese in my experience. |
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| 10:43.17 | xushi | please? can anyone lend me a hand ? |
| 10:43.49 | o7andrew | lol cool |
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| 10:45.16 | slept | xushi, install less |
| 10:45.57 | o7andrew | anxt what are you doing on debian? |
| 10:46.27 | anxt | i have an image i am working on work work |
| 10:46.47 | o7andrew | yupyup, still styling the gentoo tho' right? |
| 10:46.50 | xushi | ok, so what's the correct way of removing a disk from an array? I added the wrong one |
| 10:47.07 | anxt | qwell i use gentoo at home |
| 10:47.28 | o7andrew | oh are you a jack-of-all-distros? |
| 10:47.38 | anxt | sure |
| 10:47.53 | o7andrew | nice1 bruva" |
| 10:47.56 | anxt | a boot kernel is a kernel |
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| 10:49.05 | o7andrew | yeah |
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| 10:49.47 | xushi | http://pastebin.ca/897233 |
| 10:49.53 | xushi | this is what i'm getting when trying to replace a hard drive |
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| 10:51.30 | xushi | brb, gotta pick up kid from school |
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| 10:58.23 | loca|host | how to send a message to other admins connected to my box via pts/X |
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| 11:00.50 | scr | loca|host: write, wall |
| 11:01.37 | Nyle | !seen valdyn |
| 11:01.37 | dpkg | valdyn <n=valdyn@valdyn.us.to> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 27m 42s ago, saying: 'xushi: read the manual'. |
| 11:01.42 | Nyle | hm |
| 11:01.58 | Nyle | well anyway, I've got my new amd64 etch box installed and ready to rock |
| 11:02.00 | Nyle | :D |
| 11:02.13 | Nyle | its gonna rock out, with its cock out |
| 11:02.46 | Nyle | I learned a good deal about the debian installation process too, stuff you don't find in the regular installer |
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| 11:03.18 | Nyle | now that I've got this installed |
| 11:03.53 | Nyle | I wonder if I should I update to lenny |
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| 11:05.18 | Shnoodle | do it, why not? |
| 11:05.22 | Voyage_ | well iam in kubuntu. let say apt. or lets say i want all applications to use my.ip.proxy.net:8080 . how to do it? |
| 11:05.31 | DarenM | cause bad things happen when u update. |
| 11:06.07 | Shnoodle | what's the worse that could happen >< |
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| 11:06.24 | DarenM | true. |
| 11:06.34 | DarenM | he is at a fresh install so it woudnt matter |
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| 11:06.52 | edistar | Voyage_: #kubuntu |
| 11:07.06 | Voyage_ | already tehre |
| 11:07.08 | Voyage_ | there* |
| 11:07.08 | DarenM | those bastards prolly sent him here |
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| 11:08.35 | kunsi | /bin/sh: line 1: 32125 File size limit exceeded./sc_trans_linux <- what is this going to tell me? |
| 11:08.44 | DarenM | Voyage_> I don't know about all ur apps but here it is for apt and syn http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html |
| 11:09.03 | Voyage_ | thanks |
| 11:09.04 | Voyage_ | isnt there an app that makes all apps (or selected ones) to use a proxy on a port? |
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| 11:10.01 | Shnoodle | Voyage_: it is a thingy to do on your gateway router |
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| 11:10.41 | Voyage_ | any app? |
| 11:10.44 | Voyage_ | or way? |
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| 11:11.10 | edistar | Voyage_: configure your gateway |
| 11:11.19 | Shnoodle | Voyage_: routers can be quite configurable when they want to be |
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| 11:12.41 | onur | Hi. I gave a mysql-server-5.0 problem on my etch. Mysql server doesn't starting and it's not getting any error. # /etc/init.d/mysql restart\nStopping MySQL database server: mysqld.\nStarting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! /var/log/mysql.log and /var/log/mysql.err is empty. Do you have any idea? |
| 11:12.51 | loca|host | scr, thnks |
| 11:13.22 | Voyage_ | i dont have a router acces. i just have the proxy. and port |
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| 11:15.39 | Voyage_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.39 | Shnoodle | Voyage_: okay, gateway your machine and direct it through a reverse-ssh-tunnel |
| 11:18.02 | Bart-mdv- | onur: tail /var/log/daemon /var/log/syslog |
| 11:18.15 | Voyage_ | how to do that |
| 11:18.29 | Shnoodle | Voyage_: wait what? you can visit 8080 but not 80? |
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| 11:18.56 | Bart-mdv- | Voyage_: http_proxy="http://my.proxy.com:8080/" aptitude update |
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| 11:20.03 | onur | Bart-mdv-: http://rafb.net/p/5iIQa812.html |
| 11:20.07 | Voyage_ | Shnoodle yes |
| 11:20.19 | Voyage_ | Bart-mdv- how |
| 11:20.48 | Shnoodle | Voyage_: if only port 80 is blocked, put your www apps to the proxy, it's not a complicated process, just go into the man pages and "/" search for PROX |
| 11:20.51 | Shnoodle | Voyage_: google helps too in case of no man |
| 11:20.52 | davividal | hi all... I can't configure apt-build. I've edited /etc/apt/apt-build.conf but it doesn't use my CFLAGS: it's using only -O2 -g -Wall... what am I missing? my apt-build: http://pastebin.ca/897252 |
| 11:21.04 | davividal | sorry my poor English |
| 11:21.15 | Bart-mdv- | onur: show me your my.cnf |
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| 11:22.52 | Voyage_ | Shnoodle how do i set up proxy and port 8080 for adept package manager? |
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| 11:23.44 | Bart-mdv- | Voyage_: try execute this commang: `http_proxy="http://my.proxy.com:8080" adept` |
| 11:23.58 | Bart-mdv- | without ` |
| 11:24.13 | Shnoodle | Voyage_: man is for manual, the command you type to get really good reading |
| 11:24.35 | Voyage_ | http_proxy="http://my.proxy.com:8080" adept` |
| 11:24.46 | Voyage_ | Bart-mdv- bash: adept: command not found |
| 11:25.20 | Bart-mdv- | http_proxy="http://my.proxy.com:8080" aptitude |
| 11:25.22 | onur | Bart-mdv-: http://rafb.net/p/Gj5ZXc33.html |
| 11:25.26 | Bart-mdv- | http_proxy="http://my.proxy.com:8080" aptitude update |
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| 11:28.28 | xerophyt1 | where can find debian version independent source pages for kernel and stuff ? |
| 11:28.33 | Voyage_ | k |
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| 11:29.02 | davividal | I've edited /etc/apt/apt-build.conf but apt-build isn't using my CFLAGS: it's using only "-O2 -g -Wall". what am I missing? my apt-build: http://pastebin.ca/897252 |
| 11:29.03 | moshii | xerophyt1: you need to translate your question into english. |
| 11:29.55 | xerophyt1 | moshii: hmmm i am just looking for source packages for linux-images .. which can be build on any version of debian |
| 11:30.00 | Voyage_ | any one have any info about ircd apps? |
| 11:30.17 | moshii | xerophyt1: apt-cache search linux- |
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| 11:30.43 | xerophyt1 | moshii: i have seen website which list all the source packages |
| 11:30.52 | onur | Bart-mdv-: thanks for interesting, i must go. |
| 11:30.54 | xerophyt1 | moshii: i could not find it now .. |
| 11:31.20 | moshii | xerophyt1: not all kernels can be used with all versions of debian, userland/kernel relationships and such |
| 11:31.27 | moshii | xerophyt1: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 11:32.18 | xerophyt1 | moshii: i have installed xen 3.1 from the etch backport, having trouble booting with default kernel, its says mismatch kernel with dom0 .. so just wondering i need compile the kernel from the source package |
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| 11:34.24 | FiendishFish | How easy is it to set up a jail? |
| 11:35.16 | spq | FiendishFish, debootstrap + chroot = jail |
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| 11:35.24 | spq | ?? ebootstrap |
| 11:35.32 | spq | !debootstrap |
| 11:35.32 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 11:38.09 | FiendishFish | Is it easy to set up a jail in debian spq, I was thinking of setting my web server up in a jail, so If someone roots it it's not much use. Can a User ESCAPE out of a jail? |
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| 11:39.24 | moshii | FiendishFish: jails don't provide any extra security |
| 11:39.28 | FiendishFish | Why? |
| 11:39.36 | FiendishFish | It's sandboxedI thought. |
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| 11:39.46 | FiendishFish | So if the JAIL gets rooted, the whole system doesn't? |
| 11:40.03 | bkw | I'm on a new computer which has one sata disk, and an ide dvd. I successfully boot the etch installation cd, but when I've choosen language and keymap there's a message that it can't find the cdrom, and that I can either manually select driver or load from floppy |
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| 11:40.52 | moshii | FiendishFish: depends what sort of jail it is.. but there are a lot of warnings against using jails.vm etc for security |
| 11:41.07 | FiendishFish | What warnings? |
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| 11:41.25 | FiendishFish | I was just thinking of setting up a Debian etch jail to install apache in. |
| 11:41.35 | FiendishFish | So If it gets rooted, the whole server doesn't, right? |
| 11:41.35 | moshii | FiendishFish: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abusing_chroot |
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| 11:41.58 | Ace2016 | i have a great idea |
| 11:41.58 | moshii | FiendishFish: read there, explains agaisnt exactly what you're saying |
| 11:42.16 | Ace2016 | http://www.scottklarr.com/topic/115/linux-unix-cheat-sheets---the-ultimate-collection/ stick one of these on the desktop with every new install, new users will love it |
| 11:43.11 | xushi | sorry guys, how do i replace a raid disk when the raid is already running ? |
| 11:43.31 | Voyage_ | i cant compare hybrid ratbox and inspircd . need max stability/security and max features. and easy one.. any suggestions? |
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| 11:43.42 | xushi | I get the following error: mdadm /dev/md4 -r /dev/sdi1 -a /dev/sdg1 |
| 11:43.43 | xushi | mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sdi1: Device or resource busy |
| 11:44.00 | FiendishFish | What's the point of a debian jail then moshii none? |
| 11:44.40 | moshii | FiendishFish: chroot is used a lot in booting... BSD *jails* are different |
| 11:44.53 | moshii | FiendishFish: vserver contexts are also different |
| 11:46.03 | FiendishFish | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.06 | FiendishFish | How can I kil that process. |
| 11:46.10 | FiendishFish | I tried kill -9 and pkill etc. |
| 11:46.17 | FiendishFish | Not that pkill is much use for one process. |
| 11:46.42 | moshii | FiendishFish: it's a zombie, you have to wait for it to get collected. It's not actually doing anything so its not an issue. |
| 11:46.50 | FiendishFish | moshii, It is an issue. |
| 11:46.58 | FiendishFish | I can't run IceWeasel, until it's gone. |
| 11:47.01 | Internat | u need to kill it parent |
| 11:47.04 | Internat | its* |
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| 11:47.15 | FiendishFish | How do I view ps in a tre? |
| 11:47.16 | FiendishFish | tree* |
| 11:48.05 | netjunkie | FiendishFish: pstree ?? |
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| 11:48.25 | FiendishFish | ─fluxbox─┬─firefox-bin |
| 11:48.33 | FiendishFish | To kill firefox-bin, I'll have to kill flux :/ |
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| 11:49.54 | xushi | I accidentally added a new hard drive to /dev/md1 RAID1, and had to stop it while recovering after ~ 50%. Do i have to format it or delete/readd the partition before i add it to /dev/md2 ? |
| 11:50.08 | theatro | FiendishFish, no way |
| 11:50.13 | netjunkie | FiendishFish: have you tried killall firefox-bin yet |
| 11:50.15 | theatro | it doesnt make any sense |
| 11:50.32 | FiendishFish | netjunkie, It didn't work. |
| 11:50.39 | netjunkie | hrm |
| 11:50.49 | FiendishFish | I tried kill -9, kill, killall, pkill etc. |
| 11:50.52 | theatro | try xkill |
| 11:51.22 | bkw | It should be possible to run the installation with a sata disk and ide dvd. I donno why it complains that no cd can be found |
| 11:51.40 | FiendishFish | theatro, What syntax |
| 11:52.22 | FiendishFish | I could just kill X |
| 11:52.24 | netjunkie | FiendishFish: what does pstree with the PID of firefox-bin give you? |
| 11:52.24 | FiendishFish | Or restart. |
| 11:52.40 | theatro | just type xkill in a xterm and see your mouse pointer turn into a big X then click on the firefox window |
| 11:53.04 | FiendishFish | theatro, I can't see the ff window. |
| 11:53.06 | FiendishFish | It's not visible. |
| 11:53.17 | theatro | oh well |
| 11:53.28 | FiendishFish | netjunkie, How do I view it with pids |
| 11:53.42 | Shnoodle | killall9 works |
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| 11:54.09 | netjunkie | FiendishFish: pstree -p |
| 11:54.16 | FiendishFish | Shnoodles idea worked xD |
| 11:54.19 | FiendishFish | killall -9 |
| 11:54.39 | netjunkie | FiendishFish: also have a look at http://www.cts.wustl.edu/~allen/kill-defunct-process.html for your reference |
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| 11:55.04 | FiendishFish | Anyway, moshii, so you can't simple use directory transversal to get out a BSD jail then? |
| 11:55.14 | netjunkie | its not quite applyable to debian but show another way to solve the issue |
| 11:55.41 | FiendishFish | moshii, a BSD jail would be appropriate for my use right, but I can't have one because i'm running Debian I guess? |
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| 11:56.11 | haier | hi all |
| 11:56.41 | haier | is there a webserver who serves a virtual machine for public use ? |
| 11:56.53 | haier | thanks ! |
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| 11:58.19 | xushi | haier: as in a VPS or just standard hosting with SSH ? |
| 11:58.32 | haier | vps |
| 11:58.45 | xushi | godaddy does VPS's as far as i remember |
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| 12:00.08 | Voyage_ | i cant compare hybrid ratbox and inspircd . need max stability/security and max features. and easy one.. any suggestions? |
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| 12:01.25 | davividal | I've edited /etc/apt/apt-build.conf but apt-build isn't using my CFLAGS: it's using only "-O2 -g -Wall". what am I missing? my apt-build: http://pastebin.ca/897252 |
| 12:01.28 | davividal | sorry my poor English |
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| 12:03.36 | FiendishFish | It's not advised to set up a vserver or a chroot jail for apache then? |
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| 12:06.07 | yang | Could i get some advice around my Logitech camera - http://openpaste.org/en/5047/ |
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| 12:09.08 | bkw | dpkg tell me about booting etch installation from usbstick |
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| 12:12.00 | Badger | Hm. I'm sure testing-amd64-xfce4-CD1 shouldn't tell me that no kernel modules were found. |
| 12:12.17 | bkw | Are there any guides about booting debian installation using a usbstick instead of cdrom? |
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| 12:13.13 | xerophyt1 | does anybody know any good project management software which support agile? other than xplaner |
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| 12:16.05 | mortty | hi i just installed debian with net install and it seems somehow magically it enabled native ipv6, afaik my isp doesn't offer ipv6 anyone care to elaborate? |
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| 12:18.29 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi guys. Are there any tools for Debian which will let me send a file via a modem /without/ using the modem to go online. like "turn this jpg into high pitch squeeks / listen to high pitch squeeks and turn into jpg"? :) |
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| 12:18.54 | davividal | I've edited /etc/apt/apt-build.conf but apt-build isn't using my CFLAGS: it's using only "-O2 -g -Wall". what am I missing? my apt-build: http://pastebin.ca/897252 |
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| 12:23.57 | davividal | no one? |
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| 12:25.25 | sponzor | hi |
| 12:25.32 | sponzor | how to set up a vpn conection in debian? |
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| 12:27.45 | davividal | have anyone used apt-build? |
| 12:27.54 | Penix | no. no one. ever |
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| 12:29.08 | FiendishFish | I have no process for IceWeasel or Firefox running, yet it proceeds to tell me that there's already a process of it running, wut can I do? |
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| 12:29.37 | SamuraiDio | hi, shouldn't this package http://packages.debian.org/sid/libswt-gtk-3.3-java replaces this one http://packages.debian.org/sid/libswt3.2-gtk-java? |
| 12:29.53 | Spee_Der | sri |
| 12:30.01 | Spee_Der | wrong keys. not fully awake..... |
| 12:30.11 | DawnLight | FiendishFish: how do you know that there's no iceweasel running? |
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| 12:30.41 | jpieper | Has anyone else experienced extreme slowdowns in openoffice.org calc after the upgrade to 2.3? |
| 12:30.51 | Spee_Der | davividal, try this -->> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html I think that will help you easier. |
| 12:31.07 | Spee_Der | And, your English is just fine. |
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| 12:31.17 | FiendishFish | DawnLight, I checked the processes... |
| 12:31.21 | sponzor | anybody? |
| 12:31.22 | FiendishFish | Pgrep and ps -e | grep |
| 12:31.39 | Penix | FiendishFish: what did you grep for? |
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| 12:31.47 | Penix | which process name I mean |
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| 12:32.32 | DawnLight | FiendishFish: see the -no-remote option |
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| 12:32.41 | FiendishFish | Hang on. |
| 12:32.52 | Spee_Der | sponzor, try this --->> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/35 |
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| 12:34.02 | sponzor | ook |
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| 12:41.35 | xerophyt1 | could somebody tell me what is version of debian this package belongs http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-image-2.6-xen-686_2.6.24+13_i386.deb |
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| 12:42.33 | johndoevodka | when running aptitude to install something it also spits out "The following packages have been kept back: ...". some of them look like this gcc{a}. what does that {a} mean? |
| 12:43.02 | johndoevodka | and why does it say "The following ... " ? |
| 12:43.19 | raz0 | johndoevodka, Means that they've been automatically installed |
| 12:43.46 | johndoevodka | raz0: thanks man |
| 12:44.20 | johndoevodka | do you know why it says "The following packages have been kept back: " ? |
| 12:44.56 | omry | anyone knows of a program that can play a dvd through the mount point and not through the device (dev/hd*)? |
| 12:45.31 | valdyn | omry: what the hell? |
| 12:45.44 | omry | valdyn, what? |
| 12:45.45 | valdyn | !wayttd |
| 12:45.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 12:46.09 | omry | valdyn, play a dvd through nfs. |
| 12:46.28 | valdyn | omry: export the device node |
| 12:46.37 | omry | what do you mean? |
| 12:46.38 | valdyn | omry: or an image of that dvd |
| 12:46.47 | valdyn | omry: /dev/dvd is a device node |
| 12:47.09 | omry | this I know. what do you mean by export it? |
| 12:47.27 | valdyn | omry: export is required for something to be available over nfs |
| 12:48.29 | omry | valdyn, you think just symlinking the nod to an nfs exported dir will work? |
| 12:48.35 | debia1 | omry: mplayer -dvd-device |
| 12:48.41 | valdyn | omry: if that works for a file yers |
| 12:48.51 | valdyn | omry: i dont know nfs very well |
| 12:49.03 | omry | trying. |
| 12:49.38 | valdyn | omry: if it worked it would be fucked up though imo |
| 12:50.07 | omry | because of nfs? |
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| 12:50.19 | Chrom_ | ho all |
| 12:50.22 | Chrom_ | hi all |
| 12:50.44 | valdyn | omry: i suppose nfs has switches for symlinks to work or not, see the docs yourself |
| 12:50.48 | odysseas | Where can I find the md5sum for the etch netinstall .iso? I would like to check it before burning it to a cd. |
| 12:50.49 | Chrom_ | is there anyone that can point me to some installation doc for multipath SAN access to SAN? |
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| 12:52.44 | valdyn | omry: that symlink wont work, use a hardlink or just copy that device node |
| 12:53.10 | omry | valdyn, you are right. the remote machine sees it symlinked to it's local dev |
| 12:53.19 | valdyn | omry: right |
| 12:53.47 | omry | can't hardlink |
| 12:53.52 | omry | it's not on the same drive. |
| 12:53.53 | valdyn | omry: ops nevermind i suppose the device node copying will do the same thing |
| 12:54.17 | omry | tried to copy hdc, and I think it actually started to copy the dvd content. |
| 12:54.26 | omry | would rather avoid it (it's 8gb) |
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| 12:54.36 | valdyn | omry: use cp -a |
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| 12:54.54 | valdyn | omry: but i think that will link to the local hda too |
| 12:55.08 | omry | -a = archive. what will it do in this case? |
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| 12:55.57 | omry | valdyn, no luck. on the remote machine: |
| 12:56.00 | omry | $ cat hdc |
| 12:56.00 | omry | cat: hdc: No such device or address |
| 12:56.01 | valdyn | omry: losetup is your solution i guess |
| 12:56.18 | sponzor | that article on vpn conection isnt good. :/ |
| 12:56.42 | omry | valdyn, loop-aes-utils ? |
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| 12:58.50 | valdyn | omry: nm, thats not it either, i dont have a good idea right now |
| 12:59.07 | valdyn | omry: mplayer plays dvd files just fine once you mount that |
| 12:59.12 | valdyn | moshii: but its not a nice solution |
| 12:59.17 | valdyn | moshii: sry |
| 12:59.22 | valdyn | omry: but its not a nice solution |
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| 13:00.47 | StyXman | hi all. I'm trying to install lenny via mini.iso. it tries to download modules from the mirror, but it says "no kernel modules were found". I tried both local mirrors and mirros.kernel.org. should I use another one, or is this a known issue? |
| 13:01.21 | omry | valdyn, it's also not trivial to access the cdrom mounted files remotely. |
| 13:01.42 | valdyn | omry: uh? its as trivial as exporting any file over nfs |
| 13:01.52 | omry | symlinks wont work, and I can't export it either: exportfs: Warning: /media/cdrom0 does not support NFS export. |
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| 13:05.49 | lolitux | is it some configuration to make 'bind9' working? I made my db.domain.tld files, the /etc/default/bind9 options (resolvconf) is set to no ...what else? :( |
| 13:05.55 | lolitux | *please* |
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| 13:10.43 | riverrun | why does the init.d/networking script fail to send messages to syslog after i run it once? |
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| 13:12.32 | TCW | hi folks... wasn't there a channel on freenode about boot/install specific issues? I thought #debian-boot but that one is almost empty (forwards to ##debian-boor) |
| 13:12.45 | TCW | boot een |
| 13:12.48 | TCW | even! |
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| 13:13.43 | dutchfish | TCW, whats your question? |
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| 13:14.08 | shaz | hello :) |
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| 13:14.38 | TCW | dutchfish, I try to install etch via pxe, does not work, I think it is remotely possibel I did something wrong :) |
| 13:15.10 | dutchfish | TCW, a sec ill hand you a walk through, did this myself, its not that hard |
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| 13:15.51 | dutchfish | TCW, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 13:15.57 | Octopssy | Is there some easy way to check what hardware is inside a machine on a debian box? |
| 13:15.58 | TCW | it gets vie dhcp (dnsmasq, but that should not matter) but then it tries to tftp from the server and nothing happens, it just times out, nothing is logged |
| 13:16.11 | TCW | dutchfish, I followed axactly THAT article ;) |
| 13:16.12 | dutchfish | Octopssy, lspci ? |
| 13:16.14 | liable | TCW: that channel moved to oftc |
| 13:16.20 | TCW | liable, thanks |
| 13:16.30 | liable | np |
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| 13:16.46 | dutchfish | TCW, does tftp work? |
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| 13:17.15 | TCW | dutchfish, at least tftpd is running and listening on 0.0.0.0:69 udp |
| 13:17.21 | Octopssy | dutchfish: I mean, cpu/ram |
| 13:17.45 | dutchfish | Octopssy, cat /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo ? |
| 13:17.50 | Anonissimus | noobish question: how do I look for a package with apt-get? I can't seem to install mkpasswd |
| 13:18.25 | dutchfish | TCW, what version of debian you want to run from PXE netboot? |
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| 13:18.33 | Octopssy | dutchfish: yea tx |
| 13:18.34 | lolitux | Anonissimus, tryp aptitude seach <name> |
| 13:18.36 | TCW | dutchfish, and now firewall there, it is all and everything in one local net |
| 13:18.40 | lolitux | *try |
| 13:18.42 | TCW | dutchfish, etch |
| 13:19.20 | dutchfish | TCW, your dhcp server has the right option lines? |
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| 13:19.52 | TCW | dutchfish, "lines"? only one "dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,europa,192.168.31.1" |
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| 13:20.28 | dutchfish | TCW, option routers 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:20.57 | Anonissimus | lolitux aptitude search mkpasswd doesn't return a thing |
| 13:20.58 | TCW | apart from the other dhcp stuff for sure... dnsmasq is owrking here already, openwrt box |
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| 13:21.46 | dutchfish | TCW, the first one should has syntax as follows: filename "pxelinux.0"; |
| 13:22.02 | TCW | dutchfish, the first what and where? |
| 13:22.12 | lolitux | root@server:/etc/bind# aptitude search mkpasswd |
| 13:22.12 | lolitux | p libstring-mkpasswd-perl - random password generator |
| 13:22.27 | lolitux | maybe your /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 13:22.28 | dutchfish | TCW, you config file of your dhcp server |
| 13:23.04 | lolitux | does someone know something about bind9 ? |
| 13:23.05 | lolitux | :p |
| 13:23.08 | dutchfish | TCW, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf or /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf |
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| 13:23.22 | TCW | dutchfish, _dnsmasq_ :) |
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| 13:23.44 | lolitux | is it a configuration to do? I made my db.* files, edited to /etc/default/bind file, ...what else? :-/ |
| 13:24.06 | dutchfish | TCW, dont forget toe reboot your dhcpd daemon after changes |
| 13:24.25 | TCW | dutchfish, already done, not reboot but restarting the service |
| 13:24.34 | dutchfish | TCW, or that |
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| 13:30.51 | Jo71n_7_8471n | how to view all files and dependencies for .deb package? |
| 13:31.29 | liable | Jo71n_7_8471n: apt-cache show foopackage will list its depends |
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| 13:31.42 | liable | Jo71n_7_8471n: dpkg -L foopackage will list its files |
| 13:31.43 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: dpkg -L <pkg> to show files |
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| 13:31.56 | liable | Jo71n_7_8471n: except dynamically generated ones |
| 13:32.34 | Jygzygyzel | how did you get multiple files with scp? |
| 13:33.01 | amphi | Jo71n_7_8471n: or apt-file show <package_name> to list files in a package that is not installed |
| 13:33.02 | dutchfish | Jo71n_7_8471n, scp -R |
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| 13:33.11 | abrotman | dutchfish: misfire |
| 13:33.15 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
| 13:33.36 | ShiftOnYou | is there any good install tutorial for truecrypt 5? |
| 13:33.37 | dutchfish | abrotman, misfire? |
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| 13:33.48 | abrotman | dutchfish: you told the wrong person |
| 13:33.54 | liable | tab borkage |
| 13:34.07 | dutchfish | ah i see, sorry |
| 13:34.21 | Jo71n_7_8471n | now I'm stuck. only thing I see from any installer is :E: The package opera needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it |
| 13:34.24 | dutchfish | Jygzygyzel, scp -R |
| 13:34.34 | Jo71n_7_8471n | and apt-get remove opera is not working |
| 13:34.47 | Jygzygyzel | its -r |
| 13:34.54 | Jygzygyzel | and no its not multiple files |
| 13:34.56 | Jygzygyzel | its recursivity |
| 13:35.16 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: globbing |
| 13:35.37 | ShiftOnYou | is there any good install tutorial for truecrypt 5? |
| 13:35.43 | Jo71n_7_8471n | how to remove opera package when it is broken? |
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| 13:35.54 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: it's not in debian is it? |
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| 13:36.09 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: how is it broken? snow us |
| 13:36.10 | Jygzygyzel | so inorder to copy two directorys you have to: scp -r lol@lol:/etc/ . ; scp -r lol@lol:/tmp/ . |
| 13:36.12 | abrotman | show us |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:36.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:36.16 | ShiftOnYou | shouldnt it be? if its there for linux? |
| 13:36.24 | Jygzygyzel | how inconvinient |
| 13:36.38 | Jo71n_7_8471n | sudo apt-get remove -f opera |
| 13:36.38 | Jo71n_7_8471n | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:36.38 | Jo71n_7_8471n | Building dependency tree |
| 13:36.38 | Jo71n_7_8471n | Reading state information... Done |
| 13:36.38 | Jo71n_7_8471n | E: The package opera needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 13:36.41 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: it was just released two days ago ? |
| 13:36.49 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
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| 13:37.22 | ShiftOnYou | but if i type aptitude install truecrypt ... debian doesnt find anything (not even 4.2) |
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| 13:38.11 | JonkoPA | What ftp server is good to use? |
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| 13:38.20 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: what is 4.2 ? |
| 13:38.24 | cast | Nyle: hmm |
| 13:38.27 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, vsftp |
| 13:38.27 | abrotman | JonkoPA: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 13:38.49 | ShiftOnYou | truecrypt 4.2 |
| 13:38.49 | Jygzygyzel | JonkoPA they all suck |
| 13:38.49 | cast | vsftp! |
| 13:38.49 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: is truecrypt in debian ? |
| 13:38.54 | cast | fuck truecrypt, use dm-crypt/luks |
| 13:38.56 | ShiftOnYou | i dont know... thats why i am asking here! |
| 13:38.57 | mosno | abrotman: no, not last time i checked |
| 13:38.59 | Jo71n_7_8471n | here is error: http://www.shortText.com/5f9a6m |
| 13:39.10 | abrotman | ShiftOnYou: apt-cache search truecrypt |
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| 13:39.44 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: download it from opera.com and reinstall it |
| 13:39.47 | ShiftOnYou | so is there any crypting software like truecrypt 4 debian? |
| 13:40.08 | abrotman | dmcrypt |
| 13:40.18 | Jo71n_7_8471n | abrotman: then I see :Could not open 'opera.deb' |
| 13:40.41 | ShiftOnYou | ok thx abrotman |
| 13:40.42 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: did you download it ? |
| 13:40.47 | Jo71n_7_8471n | yes |
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| 13:41.04 | abrotman | and how did you try to install it ? |
| 13:41.22 | Jo71n_7_8471n | sudo gdebi opera.deb |
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| 13:41.36 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: which distro are you using ? |
| 13:41.50 | Jo71n_7_8471n | abrotman: ubuntu |
| 13:42.01 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: go to #ubuntu and ask them |
| 13:42.18 | roxazer | Jo71n_7_8471n: why are u in #debian when ur using ubuntu? |
| 13:42.31 | Jo71n_7_8471n | abrotman: I was there, but they do not know solution |
| 13:42.34 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: go to #ubuntu and ask them |
| 13:43.13 | Anonissimus | how nice, ubuntu bashing |
| 13:43.21 | abrotman | hardly bashing |
| 13:43.43 | Jo71n_7_8471n | you may be more experienced linux users :-) |
| 13:44.16 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: ubuntu is not debian. we do not support distros other than Debian in here .. Ubuntu has its own support channel, use #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 13:44.58 | Anonissimus | linux is linux, not that much diffence in se |
| 13:45.15 | dutchfish | Anonissimus, wrong |
| 13:45.17 | abrotman | Anonissimus: so you're saying that my packages from SuSE should work without alteration on Gentoo ? |
| 13:45.19 | Jo71n_7_8471n | but it is not ubuntu problem it looks like apt-get problem and it is multidistro program is not it? |
| 13:45.33 | liable | Anonissimus: does ford do warranty repair on your toyota? they are all just cards after all.. |
| 13:45.35 | abrotman | Jo71n_7_8471n: and Ubuntu gave you your apt ..please do not argue .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 13:45.49 | liable | s/cards/cars/ |
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| 13:45.58 | abrotman | Anonissimus: and you're welcome to go to #ubuntu with him and fix his problem |
| 13:45.59 | deever | how can i list all running services? |
| 13:46.19 | dutchfish | deever, ps auxww |
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| 13:47.24 | deever | dutchfish: i meant so that i get the basename of the init script! ;) |
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| 13:49.42 | Anonissimus | I'm saying that the core is the same, packages and some minor stuff is different, but I indeed, I'm saying that a ford car mechanic can repair a toyota |
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| 13:50.51 | valdyn | Anonissimus: that comparison doesnt work, its not true with cars, nor with distros |
| 13:51.18 | dutchfish | Anonissimus, its all about the packagemanager, stability and security, gues again ;) |
| 13:51.23 | valdyn | Anonissimus: thanks to cars having totally different incompatible electronics |
| 13:52.05 | Anonissimus | :) |
| 13:52.49 | deever | hello? noone knows an answer? |
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| 13:53.20 | JoeThomas | Hi, I keep getting ' Package xlockmore has no installation candidate ' for xlockmore. Any ideas why it's missing? |
| 13:54.01 | valdyn | deever: you cant |
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| 13:54.24 | valdyn | deever: a service isnt really that strictly defined to be listable in a simple command |
| 13:54.24 | Anonissimus | ps might give you some |
| 13:54.45 | valdyn | deever: maybe you mean just network services |
| 13:55.04 | valdyn | deever: maybe you mean just network services on a privileged port |
| 13:55.22 | deever | valdyn: i mean init scripts, actually |
| 13:55.29 | zinx | init scripts don't stay running |
| 13:55.40 | valdyn | deever: what do init scripts do that is common to ALL of them? |
| 13:55.43 | zinx | they do what they're made to do, then exit. |
| 13:55.47 | valdyn | deever: thats not much at all. |
| 13:57.16 | valdyn | deever: think about what you really want, then ask again |
| 13:57.22 | deever | i know, but i want to learn which services started by init scripts are running |
| 13:58.02 | valdyn | thats to complex |
| 13:58.55 | valdyn | deever: youd need to modify those scripts first, to do some kind of tracking, then restart, then check that tracking information |
| 13:59.15 | dutchfish | maybe he just could alter all init scripts to write in special log file? |
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| 13:59.19 | deever | so as i see, the debian init system does not track ... |
| 13:59.21 | deever | ...ok |
| 13:59.42 | deever | weird...:( |
| 13:59.49 | hoxu | deever, what running services do you want to list? Ones listening to connections? |
| 14:00.04 | valdyn | deever: no one really needs thge info you are asking for |
| 14:00.15 | valdyn | deever: its not useful for anything real |
| 14:00.29 | deever | valdyn: sure it is |
| 14:00.31 | hoxu | deever, and what do you mean with "running"? Processes that are services? |
| 14:00.52 | hoxu | deever, please answer the questions, don't argue :P |
| 14:00.56 | valdyn | deever: like what? |
| 14:01.18 | deever | in gentoo, there is a rc-status command |
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| 14:01.33 | valdyn | deever: do you understand what it does? |
| 14:01.39 | dutchfish | mmmm wondering (only academic) if spawning a process child is trackable in the kernel? |
| 14:01.42 | valdyn | deever: i doubt it seriously |
| 14:01.45 | hoxu | deever, I repeat: please answer my questions above |
| 14:02.09 | hoxu | dutchfish, what do you mean? |
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| 14:03.14 | dutchfish | hoxu, i meant if i can trace in the kernel when a script or program spawns a process? |
| 14:03.30 | hoxu | dutchfish, strace? |
| 14:03.38 | deever | hoxu: http://linuxreviews.org/man/rc-status/ |
| 14:03.43 | dutchfish | hoxu, no kernel wise |
| 14:04.07 | hoxu | deever, since you are pointing me to a page of "how this works in gentoo" I guess you don't really know what you want? |
| 14:04.08 | valdyn | deever: that doesnt list whats started |
| 14:04.08 | dutchfish | hoxu, forget it, its not usefull anyway |
| 14:04.25 | valdyn | deever: it lists whats listed in /etc/rc*.d/ in debian |
| 14:04.27 | abrotman | deever: what information are you looking for? |
| 14:05.06 | hoxu | deever, that "--all" would basically list /etc/init.d/ I think |
| 14:05.08 | deever | and what does the kernel have to do with init scripts? ;) |
| 14:05.47 | hoxu | dutchfish, I don't really understand what you mean with kernel-wise :) |
| 14:05.54 | valdyn | deever: so "ls /etc/rcS.d/S* /etc/rc2.d/S*" lists all scripts run in debian with the "start" option in a standard system in runlevel 2 |
| 14:06.10 | dutchfish | hoxu, hold on i am looking it up, give me a minute |
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| 14:08.44 | hoxu | deever, just general info: debian != gentoo, keep that in mind, the tools will vary as well |
| 14:08.47 | dutchfish | hoxu, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4897 the part with Multiprocess Debugging |
| 14:08.59 | hoxu | deever, it's important you are able to explain what you want to do so people can help you learn the debian way |
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| 14:09.42 | deever | http://rafb.net/p/wFAo7l79.html |
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| 14:10.57 | deever | hoxu: i know that debian != gentoo, and actually, my last gentoo experience was a long time ago |
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| 14:11.08 | abrotman | deever: that's useless .. what do you really want to know |
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| 14:11.51 | deever | abrotman: no, it's not |
| 14:12.20 | hoxu | deever, well, for default runlevel 2, all scripts in /etc/rc2.d are run, and only those you explicitly stop are stopped |
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| 14:13.14 | moka | hello, where can I find an explanation about the "aptitude score" that I get when trying to dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:13.25 | abrotman | probably the aptitude manual |
| 14:13.47 | deever | hoxu: yes, right after /sbin/init changed the runlevel |
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| 14:14.32 | deever | but what if i started/stopped some scripts manually? |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | deever: for i in /etc/rc2.d/ $i status ? |
| 14:14.46 | abrotman | (obviously not correct syntax :) |
| 14:14.47 | moka | abrotman, ok thanks, maybe I should search better |
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| 14:16.01 | hoxu | deever, I'm afraid debian users are assumed to remember what they are doing, maybe you could fill in a bug report and point out no such requirement is done on gentoo |
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| 14:17.28 | dutchfish | or hi could delve into the mon package, wich does simular if i am not mistaken |
| 14:17.30 | abrotman | moka: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README ? |
| 14:18.00 | zOap | is there a "mac os" program bar for linux? |
| 14:18.10 | hoxu | dutchfish, that article is from 2001, so hum, anything it says about linux kernel should be probably considered outdated, at least |
| 14:18.33 | abrotman | zOap: i think there are a few |
| 14:18.38 | dutchfish | hoxu, yes, but it was just to clarify my thoughts |
| 14:18.41 | deever | hoxu: it's not a matter of remembering, i'd need this info in a script |
| 14:18.50 | zOap | abrotman, do you know the names of any of them? |
| 14:18.58 | jussi | hey guys .. ive been running a webserver and such on a textbased debian. is it possible to have a graphical ui debian server which will do all the same things as a textbased one? cheers. |
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| 14:19.11 | moka | abrotman, yes, thanks :) |
| 14:19.22 | hoxu | dutchfish, strace -f can follow forks, but not properly (see the manpage)... I don't know what support in kernel is for this, but if you need it, it's probably worth researching |
| 14:19.26 | abrotman | deever: what info? |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | jussi: sure .. but why would you? |
| 14:19.46 | hoxu | deever, what service does your script need to check? |
| 14:19.47 | deever | abrotman: this would work if all init scripts accepted the status action! ;) |
| 14:19.59 | abrotman | deever: what are you *really* trying to do? |
| 14:20.06 | dutchfish | hoxu, yes, i dont need myself, but i do use mon, a package to track altered states of those |
| 14:20.17 | abrotman | deever: if you tell us what you're ultimately trying to do .. instead of making us drag it out of you .. we might have a quick answer |
| 14:20.46 | jussi | abrotman: well.. dunno really. not that familiar with the linux commands yet. thought it might be easier to admin with the GUI. |
| 14:21.02 | abrotman | jussi: it's better to learn without the GUI |
| 14:21.28 | deever | abrotman: i want to take some commands upon the init scripts whose processe/daemons are running |
| 14:21.41 | abrotman | this would be part of the dragging i mentioned |
| 14:21.44 | deever | s/processe/processes |
| 14:21.53 | hoxu | abrotman, repeat after me: |
| 14:21.55 | hoxu | AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH |
| 14:22.01 | hoxu | !turday |
| 14:22.01 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. There are no exits. |
| 14:22.25 | jussi | abrotman: why's that? you think i wont learn commands in the GUI? i can still do all the command stuff in the terminal so it doesnt really make musch of a difference.. and besides the server is quite powerful, so it should have no problem handling a GUI. |
| 14:22.38 | abrotman | jussi: that's not the point |
| 14:22.50 | jussi | abrotman: go on. |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | jussi: what do you think would be easier to admin via GUI vs CLI ? |
| 14:23.11 | jussi | CLI ofc |
| 14:23.18 | jussi | oh sry misread |
| 14:23.37 | hoxu | jussi, you could install KDE, xterm, and then log in to X and run the xterm maximized, instead of SSH'ing in remotely ;) |
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| 14:23.52 | abrotman | and if you think CLI is easier .. why introduce the issues associated with running X on a server ? |
| 14:24.30 | jussi | blah. i guess ur right. why bother. but it wont do any harm really will it? |
| 14:24.54 | abrotman | what is "it" ? |
| 14:25.01 | jussi | GUI |
| 14:25.16 | jussi | having a GUI i mean |
| 14:25.16 | abrotman | it might .. you know .. if it crashes ? |
| 14:25.18 | hoxu | jussi, you might rush that "rm -rf" command and end up with wiping your / instead of some user's home when rushing to continue that minesweeper game. |
| 14:25.24 | abrotman | takes the whole machine wiht it .. |
| 14:25.42 | jussi | hoxu: haha yea :D |
| 14:25.56 | Skapare | You challenge is to install Debian on a machine that: 1: has a different Linux distro on it ... 2: no removeable media (floppy, CD, DVD, USB, memory card) ... 3: has a 2nd empty hard drive that is the installation target |
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| 14:26.17 | hoxu | !tell Skapare about debootstrap |
| 14:26.17 | jussi | ok point taken. might indeed crash and spoil everything |
| 14:26.39 | liable | Skapare: or use the hd-media install kernel |
| 14:26.52 | Skapare | hoxu: so you have done this before with that? |
| 14:26.55 | hoxu | yup, X can crash and take the server down with it. And you can die while walking across the street on zebra lines, too. |
| 14:27.06 | hoxu | Skapare, no |
| 14:27.06 | Voyage_ | how muchdollars will cost me for a minimum dedi server? |
| 14:27.12 | Skapare | liable: a different kernel? |
| 14:27.23 | Skapare | hoxu: so you don't even know if it works? |
| 14:27.46 | liable | Skapare: you can get an installer kernel image and add it to your distros grub, and boot from it to install |
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| 14:27.48 | hoxu | sparr_, I do know it works, why does it matter whether I've replaced my root partition with another using debootstrap? |
| 14:28.13 | hoxu | Skapare, wrong target, see above ^ |
| 14:28.23 | hoxu | Skapare, do you have physical access to the box? |
| 14:28.25 | jussi | what are the chances of X crashing if i only do adminstrative stuff on it. and leave the minesweeping on to my desktop? |
| 14:28.29 | Skapare | hoxu: huh? what target? |
| 14:28.41 | abrotman | jussi: there's no reason .. |
| 14:28.43 | hoxu | Skapare, see my line addressed to sparr_ above (sorry sparr_!) |
| 14:28.48 | Skapare | hoxu: I'm not asking what you seem to think I am asking |
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| 14:29.09 | hoxu | Skapare, right, what are you asking then? |
| 14:29.35 | Skapare | hoxu: I'm asking _how_ the process goes about working ... NOT what steps I need to do to run something that does it |
| 14:30.02 | hoxu | is it just my head? |
| 14:30.22 | Skapare | hoxu: think of it this way ... suppose the tool you refer to has NOT been created yet, but someone (you, me, or someone else) is about to create it ... what info does that person need to know about Debian to do it? |
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| 14:30.48 | liable | hah |
| 14:30.52 | Skapare | hoxu: e.g. what pieces of Debian need to be placed where to make it a running install |
| 14:31.18 | dutchfish | Skapare, The only thing he needs to remember is http://www.debian.org |
| 14:31.46 | Skapare | dutchfish: but there is no "under the hood" info easily found there |
| 14:31.50 | hoxu | Skapare, I don't understand half of that, but are you making a howto of replacing $DISTRO with Debian, or what? |
| 14:31.59 | Skapare | dutchfish: it's all oriented to "run this program we wrote" |
| 14:32.01 | dutchfish | Skapare, maybe you should look better |
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| 14:32.39 | dutchfish | Skapare, there is a wealth of info in there |
| 14:32.45 | littleboy | hello |
| 14:32.48 | hoxu | !confuse Skapare |
| 14:32.49 | dpkg | Yes, where is your pants today, Skapare? lederhosen of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra herring |
| 14:32.56 | Skapare | hoxu: no ... what I'd doing is trying to acquire info on what will be where to make a running Debian |
| 14:33.02 | littleboy | anyone can tell me what's the status with kde4 ? is it installable (with apt-get -- from debian repository) ? |
| 14:33.27 | littleboy | for debian testing. |
| 14:33.31 | hoxu | !kde4 |
| 14:33.31 | dpkg | from memory, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 14:33.32 | craigevil | most of kde4 is either in sid or experimental, that said it is still buggy as hell |
| 14:33.40 | Skapare | dutchfish: maybe there is ... but it is not indexed very well ... or more likely ... they think "how to" is the answer to all |
| 14:33.51 | Skapare | dutchfish: what I am looking for would NOT be classified as a "how to" |
| 14:34.08 | Skapare | dutchfish: maybe more like a "what be where" document |
| 14:34.09 | littleboy | ok thanks. |
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| 14:34.16 | hoxu | Skapare, I still don't understand what you are looking for |
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| 14:34.25 | dutchfish | Skapare, just one click: http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 14:34.36 | Skapare | hoxu: well ... do you want me to continue to try to explain, or give up? |
| 14:34.50 | hoxu | I don't know |
| 14:34.53 | hoxu | dpkg, do you have any ideas? |
| 14:35.00 | hoxu | good boy |
| 14:35.34 | Skapare | dutchfish: been there already |
| 14:35.58 | hoxu | Skapare, do you want to know the technical details of how installing debian goes in a situation where no installation media is available? |
| 14:36.13 | abrotman | dpkg: idea |
| 14:36.13 | dpkg | methinks idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | dpkg: ideas |
| 14:36.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ideas is I was thinking of a plan to dye one's whiskers green, and always use so large a fan that they could not be seen. |
| 14:36.28 | dutchfish | Skapare, ok, now rephrase your question, so that guys like me (normal mortals) can understand what you trying to do? |
| 14:36.32 | liable | hehe |
| 14:36.39 | Skapare | hoxu: what I want to know is what pieces need to be where on the HD to make it work ... NOT what I need to run that puts it there |
| 14:36.45 | hoxu | liable, don't laugh, or one day you'll be held liable ! |
| 14:37.03 | liable | +s |
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| 14:37.10 | Maulkin | Skapare: go read the lfs. |
| 14:37.18 | Skapare | dutchfish: it's not about what I want to do ... it's about what I want to know |
| 14:37.24 | Maulkin | Skapare: or work out how kernels work. |
| 14:37.28 | wols_ | Skapare: you need a bootloader and a kernel |
| 14:37.36 | Skapare | Maulkin: been there, done that ... I even ported lfs to sparc |
| 14:37.38 | hoxu | Skapare, make what work? Debian? Linux? Debootstrapping Debian? |
| 14:37.43 | Maulkin | Skapare: What? |
| 14:37.46 | dutchfish | !tell Skapare about fish |
| 14:37.47 | Skapare | Maulkin: also have done it with slackware |
| 14:37.58 | Maulkin | Skapare: That doesn't make any sence. |
| 14:37.59 | yang | Could i get some advice around my Logitech camera - http://openpaste.org/en/5047/ |
| 14:38.11 | Maulkin | *sense* |
| 14:38.22 | Skapare | Maulkin: you said "go read lfs" ... that knowledge I already have ... need to translate it to pieces of Debian ... LFS != Debian |
| 14:38.35 | Maulkin | How the hell can you translate it to sparc? |
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| 14:38.44 | wols_ | Skapare: all x86 linux boots alike |
| 14:38.44 | Maulkin | Debian is LFS compliant |
| 14:38.49 | Skapare | Maulkin: translate what? |
| 14:38.57 | wols_ | bootlaoder - kernel - /sbin/init - sysvini |
| 14:39.00 | wols_ | t |
| 14:39.01 | liable | and dome handy things like init |
| 14:39.01 | Skapare | wols_: so |
| 14:39.08 | wols_ | every single one of them |
| 14:39.09 | craigevil | definitely the weekend :) |
| 14:39.19 | Maulkin | sparc is an architecture. It has nothing to do with the location of files. |
| 14:39.47 | Skapare | Maulkin: actually, it does ... I know because I have built systems for sparc |
| 14:40.00 | wols_ | Skapare: so what is different on sparc? |
| 14:40.02 | Skapare | Maulkin: I also have made CDROMS that boot on both x86 and sparc |
| 14:40.12 | Maulkin | No, it really doesn't. A file location policy is irrelivant for the type of processor |
| 14:40.21 | Maulkin | So what does that have to do with LFS? |
| 14:40.39 | Skapare | Maulkin: if you are referring to file location of an already running system, that's not what I am talking about |
| 14:40.53 | Maulkin | No I'm not |
| 14:40.55 | hoxu | lincoln financial sports FTW |
| 14:41.16 | Skapare | Maulkin: LFS is procedures with some knowledge about how to make a Linux system from source |
| 14:41.21 | Maulkin | No it's not |
| 14:41.35 | Skapare | Maulkin: then what do _you_ think it is? |
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| 14:41.53 | abrotman | linux from scratch ? |
| 14:42.01 | Skapare | abrotman: yup |
| 14:42.05 | Maulkin | No. |
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| 14:42.10 | Maulkin | Linux File Systenm |
| 14:42.15 | wols_ | Skapare: you have LONG been answered what to do/use |
| 14:42.17 | abrotman | there's that one too ... |
| 14:42.20 | Skapare | abrotman: but I'm not understanding why they brought that up |
| 14:42.22 | abrotman | !lhs |
| 14:42.22 | dpkg | from memory, lhs is Left Hand Side |
| 14:42.30 | Skapare | Maulkin: do you mean LSB? |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | Skapare: i wasn't following .. |
| 14:42.34 | Maulkin | Nope. |
| 14:42.42 | wols_ | considering the software ysu were pointed to is in debianm it means there is source. read the source if you want to know how it does its magic |
| 14:42.46 | Maulkin | LFS is an implementation of FHS |
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| 14:43.19 | hoxu | !marry Maulkin and Skapare |
| 14:43.19 | dpkg | Maulkin, do you take Skapare to be your lawfully wedded spouse? Skapare, do you take Maulkin? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 14:43.22 | wols_ | abrotman: nstall debian on a system that has no removable media but already has a linux running and a 2nd hardedisk |
| 14:43.37 | Skapare | sounds to me like someone is making new acronyms for old concepts |
| 14:43.44 | Maulkin | Perhaps it may help that you tell us what you're actually trying to do. |
| 14:43.47 | abrotman | he can use the hd-media ? |
| 14:43.53 | wols_ | abrotman: so what do you suggest in your infinite wisdom for such a thing? |
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| 14:44.07 | abrotman | wols_: use the usb dot matrix printer! |
| 14:44.14 | Skapare | hoxu: obviously Maulkin is not my type :) |
| 14:44.14 | hoxu | !win abrotman |
| 14:44.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 14:44.19 | wols_ | ding! we have a winner! |
| 14:44.45 | avtobiff | !win dpkg |
| 14:44.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:44.53 | wols_ | Skapare: so now go and find that dot matrix printer. works especially well with olivetti 9pin ones |
| 14:44.54 | Skapare | hoxu: I think that maybe the people that actually wrote the programs that install Debian might understand my question |
| 14:44.56 | Maulkin | Put the bot down please :) |
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| 14:45.03 | hoxu | Skapare, for what you are trying to do... obviously, you need to borrow a butterfly. xkcd.com is a good place to start asking around. |
| 14:45.09 | Maulkin | Skapare: There's quite a few here |
| 14:45.51 | Skapare | hoxu: as long as you (and others) are focused on what I am trying to *DO* I don't think you would ever understand what I really want to *KNOW* |
| 14:46.22 | Skapare | hoxu: the answer to what I want to know would be a document that doesn't have any explanations of how to do things |
| 14:46.24 | hoxu | Skapare, afaik, debootstrap just downloads a bunch of required debs and extracts those, no black magic there |
| 14:46.42 | cafuego | alcymaholx0rz |
| 14:46.58 | abrotman | hd-media or debootstrap .. he could chroot the blank partion .. put debian there .. and have a beer |
| 14:46.59 | Maulkin | Skapare: That's probably because you don't know what you want. |
| 14:47.11 | hoxu | cafuego, still alive? |
| 14:47.14 | Skapare | hoxu: minor question: does it have the knowledge built in to debootstrap to do this extracting of debs? |
| 14:47.25 | Maulkin | Perhaps you could phrase your question in a different way? |
| 14:47.29 | wols_ | hoxu: ethanol preserves tissue |
| 14:47.37 | cafuego | gin, vodka, vodka, gin, tequila, vidka, giun, gin, vodka, sherry, agavero |
| 14:47.45 | Skapare | Maulkin: I know what I want ... I just can't figure out how to explain it to others who insist on trying to understand this in terms of what I want to do |
| 14:47.53 | cafuego | in more or less that order |
| 14:48.11 | cafuego | then the bar kicked us out |
| 14:48.21 | cafuego | STOP SPINNING!@ |
| 14:48.23 | Maulkin | Skapare: That's probably because you're not making sense. |
| 14:48.24 | zinx | Skapare: all you have to do is tell them what you want to do. |
| 14:48.40 | Maulkin | Have you tried telling them what you want to do? |
| 14:48.41 | Skapare | Maulkin: I could continue to try to explain it in other ways ... none of which would be in "what I want to do" ... but I get the impression I'm reaching your patience limit |
| 14:48.50 | cizzi | is iptables the only way to limit a remote ssh login by ip address ? |
| 14:48.58 | wols_ | Maulkin: he did. he obviously doesn't like the suggestions |
| 14:49.01 | zinx | Skapare: there's no putting it in different terms.. you just tell 'em what you want to do, and forget about whatever problem you're having at the moment |
| 14:49.03 | cafuego | cizzi: pretty much |
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| 14:49.25 | cizzi | cafuego:allright |
| 14:49.26 | hoxu | cizzi, I think ~/.ssh/authorized_keys can have some IP-based options as well, if you are using keys |
| 14:49.35 | Maulkin | Skapare: so you're not trying to actually do anyuthing? |
| 14:49.49 | Skapare | zinx: but it isn't a "do" question ... as long as you think it has to be, you cannot ever understand what I want to know |
| 14:49.51 | wols_ | !fail2ban |
| 14:49.52 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 14:49.55 | cafuego | cizzi: OFG COURSE you are using key based auth |
| 14:50.11 | wols_ | cafuego: there are other ways too. like the above factoid, tcpwrappres, etc |
| 14:50.15 | dutchfish | Skapare, i am still listening (reading) but so far i did not get any holistic view on your question? is it me? or my bad english? |
| 14:50.15 | zinx | Skapare: then perhaps you should explain why you want to know it? |
| 14:50.38 | hoxu | !trollgong |
| 14:50.41 | wols_ | Skapare: we gave you the debian solution. anything else is OT here |
| 14:50.50 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 14:50.50 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 14:50.53 | Skapare | zinx: explaining WHAT I want to know is not sufficient? |
| 14:50.57 | cafuego | wols_: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/16 |
| 14:51.03 | zinx | Skapare: not when we can't understand what you're asking |
| 14:51.11 | Maulkin | Skapare: not if you're not managing to explain it. |
| 14:51.19 | wols_ | cafuego: 2005? you've been partying for 3 years? respect :P |
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| 14:51.36 | Skapare | wols_: yes ... I know that ... which is why I am looking for "know" stuff, instead of "do" stuff ... since what I ultimate want to "do" is OT here |
| 14:51.36 | cafuego | wols_: I've been using this ssh rule since 2005 :-) |
| 14:51.52 | cafuego | wols_: only been drinking since 5:30pm |
| 14:52.07 | craigevil | doing usually leads to "knowing" |
| 14:52.27 | cafuego | craigevil: in the biblical sense? |
| 14:52.32 | wols_ | Skapare: get a debian installer and start disecting |
| 14:52.42 | Skapare | Maulkin: I think maybe what I need to do (it will take some time) is to write an equivalent document for a distro I already have the knowledge for (Slackware) |
| 14:52.51 | Skapare | Maulkin: then let you read that and see |
| 14:53.34 | Skapare | Maulkin: such a docuement would NOT give you instructions to install Slackware ... it would guide you to making an installer |
| 14:54.27 | hoxu | Skapare, so, the final point was to write a how to for reinventing the wheel? |
| 14:54.37 | xingu | Skapare: the debian installer unpacks enough of a base environment that the packing tools can be called on; there's no great mystery to it really |
| 14:54.41 | Skapare | wols_: ultimately, I may have to do just that ... I was hoping instead for a document that explains it since dissecting code is not the best way to do such stuff for various reasons |
| 14:54.46 | abrotman | i thought he wanted to install debian .. wtf is going on |
| 14:54.55 | xingu | Skapare: debootstrap source is a pretty reasonable reference. |
| 14:54.57 | Maulkin | Skapare: Right, so you want to make a custom installer |
| 14:55.09 | Skapare | hoxu: no ... not a how to at all (you're still in the "what to do" think mode, it seems) |
| 14:55.19 | Maulkin | !customcdd |
| 14:55.23 | Maulkin | !cdd |
| 14:55.23 | dpkg | Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 14:55.24 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 14:55.24 | dpkg | well, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/, http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD, see <sarge uni> |
| 14:55.33 | Maulkin | See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 14:55.36 | abrotman | oh .. sarge uni isn't useful anymore |
| 14:55.37 | xingu | Skapare: there's never really needed to be a howto on it; those that are interested tend to actively develop the installer |
| 14:55.56 | Skapare | Maulkin: not quite ... I want to _know_ what pieces of Debian are the pieces that go in certain places |
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| 14:56.41 | xingu | Skapare: there's really no big mystery to it; debootstrap is easy to unravel |
| 14:56.57 | Skapare | hoxu: use multiple colored markers :) |
| 14:57.11 | Maulkin | Skapare: All packages marked as Required and as according to the FHS. |
| 14:57.15 | Maulkin | There's your answer |
| 14:57.25 | zinx | Skapare: there aren't any unpackaged pieces |
| 14:57.29 | Skapare | xingu: you have a specific link to the source file of deboostrap? Or is it just a simple program? |
| 14:57.38 | xingu | Skapare: apt-get source debootstrap |
| 14:58.14 | Skapare | xingu: chicken ... egg ... need a basic NON-Debian way to get the first piece of Debian |
| 14:58.37 | Skapare | xingu: like a URL to the .c file |
| 14:58.52 | Maulkin | Skapare: first link on google for debootstrap |
| 14:59.08 | dutchfish | Skapare, it looks like (correct me if i am wrong) that your q is related to the virtual or blueprint for an implementation of building a package, that is whats needed really in a properiarity development, something thats not needed in an open source project, at least not to cooperate along. |
| 14:59.09 | Tapout | I'm getting kernel panics, and I think it's related to powersavings.. What's the solution, disable power savings in BIOS and where at in debian? |
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| 14:59.11 | xingu | Skapare: packages.debian.org will cough up the source; it sits in the pool alongside the binary .deb |
| 14:59.15 | abrotman | Skapare: debootstrap or hd-media (which can be booted from grub) |
| 14:59.16 | Skapare | xingu: have you ever tried to uncompress somenewcompressionprogram when it is compressed in its own format? You can't |
| 14:59.35 | abrotman | Skapare: a .deb is an 'ar' and two tar.gz |
| 14:59.38 | xingu | Skapare: actually yes, you'd be surprised at the stunts I've had to pull in my time. |
| 14:59.48 | Skapare | xingu: as straight URLs to non-.deb files? |
| 14:59.52 | hoxu | Tapout, is that a laptop? Anyway, you could try "noapic", "nolapic", "noacpi" kernel parameters iirc |
| 15:00.10 | Tapout | hoxu, nah box in basement that goes idle for days .. |
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| 15:00.19 | Tapout | i don't ever touch it, just use it for backups and stuff |
| 15:00.27 | Maulkin | Skapare: The compression format for a .deb isn't new. It's an .ar and two .tar.gz s |
| 15:00.31 | Tapout | hoxu, thanks for noapci and all that, i'll google to see |
| 15:00.32 | Skapare | xingu: you'd at least need to know something about such a compression format to be able to uncompress the uncompressor |
| 15:00.56 | Skapare | Maulkin: compression format was an example to explain the chicken and egg issue |
| 15:01.06 | Maulkin | Skapare: top link on google for ".deb format" |
| 15:01.11 | Maulkin | There really isn't an issue |
| 15:01.20 | Skapare | Maulkin: I'm not going to be installing a Debian system until after I have the knowledge I am looking for |
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| 15:01.46 | Skapare | Maulkin: no, I want to NOT have the .deb format until I am doing an install ... and I am NOT doing that right now |
| 15:01.54 | wols_ | Skapare: then please leave this channel. thkxbye |
| 15:02.06 | hoxu | !comfort wols_ |
| 15:02.06 | dpkg | There, there, wols_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:02.22 | Tapout | hoxu, do you just pass that line on the grub.conf ? |
| 15:02.33 | xingu | Skapare: http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ - tar.gz+diff |
| 15:02.38 | dutchfish | Skapare, you can do that if it is opensource, you couldnt if it was not, so your q is erelevant |
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| 15:03.10 | liable | wow this convo is still going.. |
| 15:03.10 | hoxu | Tapout, kopt in menu.lst is used for default parameters (you need update-grub after modifying that iirc), but you can try it out first by editing the boot line interactively |
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| 15:03.41 | Tapout | hoxu, roger thanks |
| 15:03.42 | abrotman | liable: that's what happens when the answer isn't the answer .. or something like that |
| 15:03.44 | Maulkin | Skapare: do you have a debian question? |
| 15:04.32 | hoxu | !calmdown Maulkin |
| 15:04.34 | Skapare | dutchfish: FYI, I have installed Slackware before, without using ANY slackware tools whatsoever ... and not only that, I did it on a Redhat machine logged into that machine via ssh (e.g. no physical access) with absolute confidence that when I reboot ... |
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| 15:04.41 | Maulkin | hoxu: Stop abusing the bots please. |
| 15:04.43 | Skapare | dutchfish: ... it would be slackware |
| 15:04.57 | TCW | anyone a hint for a simple project management software? It needs to be a bit more than PIM but the obvious ticket systems are a way to fat / big / complex |
| 15:05.07 | hoxu | Maulkin, what, I can't? I'll lose my purpose in life :( |
| 15:05.19 | Skapare | Maulkin: I guess not ... I guess knowing how Debian is structured underneath is not a Debian question |
| 15:05.29 | abrotman | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 15:05.31 | dutchfish | Skapare, so your q is how can i install debian on a non debian machine? |
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| 15:05.59 | Maulkin | Skapare: you've been told. It obeys the FHS. Also see debtakeover, ar, tar and gzip |
| 15:06.11 | Skapare | dutchfish: I expect to have that question later on ... but not yet ... what I want is the knowledge base to answer a question like that for myself |
| 15:06.18 | erik2 | etch, apache 2.2.3. which version of php dbg should I use ? |
| 15:06.23 | hoxu | Skapare, I think you've been given enough pointers to start reading, study debootstrap sources first |
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| 15:06.47 | hoxu | right |
| 15:06.53 | Hoxzer | left |
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| 15:07.04 | dutchfish | Skapare, thats all handled in the DPM |
| 15:07.20 | Spee_Der | Sweet ! |
| 15:07.41 | dutchfish | Skapare, plz do not PM me |
| 15:07.59 | dutchfish | Skapare, keep it in here |
| 15:08.08 | Maulkin | dutchfish: they can't. |
| 15:08.19 | Spee_Der | I can't believe I have Lenny up and running and I had to add IPv6 manually. Nice. |
| 15:08.22 | wols_ | he's quieted. and him being a troll, he can't obey channel rules either |
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| 15:09.17 | hoxu | troll, or someone who just genuinely wanted to learn? -_- |
| 15:09.26 | wols_ | Skapare: trolling me in PM now won't get you any more friends asshole |
| 15:09.31 | wols_ | troll |
| 15:09.55 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.08 | techouse | anyone else here getting the annoying (but it somehow causes no trouble; it just displays) message in Azureus: "SWT_Close (no resource bundle)"? I searched google and it get only 3 or 4 hits and it seems to be some Eclipse error message. |
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| 15:10.20 | techouse | and it seems to be ONLY debian related |
| 15:10.23 | Haris | Hello people |
| 15:10.25 | abrotman | techouse: didn't you compile your own azureius ? |
| 15:10.30 | techouse | yes |
| 15:10.34 | Haris | What does this mean -> State: not a real package |
| 15:10.35 | abrotman | techouse: you're on your own .. enjoy |
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| 15:10.47 | wols_ | Haris: full output please |
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| 15:10.51 | techouse | no....the .deb package does the same |
| 15:10.57 | techouse | from debian packages |
| 15:11.08 | Haris | its the output of -> aptitude show courier-authmysql <- on etchr1 |
| 15:11.12 | wols_ | techouse: then reproduce it using the debian package |
| 15:11.16 | Bart-mdv- | Haris: this is virtual package with deppends only, afaik |
| 15:11.18 | abrotman | and file a bug |
| 15:11.23 | Haris | ah, ok |
| 15:11.38 | techouse | wols_: emm...i did backport it, if that's whyt you mean |
| 15:11.40 | Haris | Bart-mdv-: Is there a way to differentiate between packages and virtual packages? |
| 15:11.41 | techouse | what* |
| 15:11.45 | Maulkin | techouse: the .deb package may not |
| 15:11.55 | abrotman | techouse: you compiled .. not backported |
| 15:12.07 | Bart-mdv- | example: aptitude install kde - you install many packages |
| 15:12.16 | Maulkin | Azureus updates itself and runs from ~/.azureus |
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| 15:12.17 | Bart-mdv- | sorry for my poor english :-/ |
| 15:12.33 | techouse | abrotman: as i said...the same happens with the already pre-compiled sid azureus |
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| 15:12.55 | Maulkin | techouse: See if ~/.azureus exists |
| 15:12.56 | abrotman | techouse: so file a bug |
| 15:13.03 | abrotman | techouse: do you know what SWT is ?> |
| 15:13.25 | techouse | Maulkin: it does |
| 15:13.29 | Maulkin | abrotman: azureus installs it's own copy (even in etch) in ~/.azureus and executes that each time. |
| 15:13.32 | Maulkin | techouse: delete it |
| 15:13.41 | techouse | abrotman: i have no idea; the bug has already been files |
| 15:13.44 | techouse | files* |
| 15:13.47 | techouse | filed* |
| 15:13.47 | abrotman | Maulkin: that seems .. dumb .. |
| 15:13.49 | Maulkin | techouse: and next time, don't let it update itself :) |
| 15:14.04 | techouse | Maulkin: i didn't update it |
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| 15:15.48 | techouse | Maulkin: i'll try the bins from azureus.com |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | lovely .. that's sure to work better |
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| 15:19.19 | tsurko | hello |
| 15:19.44 | tsurko | i've a problem installing xen on debian sid. The xen kernel doesn't boot. |
| 15:20.08 | tsurko | it just freezes - anybody has experience with xen on sid? |
| 15:20.11 | dutchfish | tsurko, the non-pae is broken on some systems atm |
| 15:20.23 | techouse | haha..the bins don't have the error |
| 15:20.24 | techouse | :D |
| 15:20.47 | dutchfish | tsurko, at least on 32 bit |
| 15:21.07 | dutchfish | tsurko, use de pae version on 32 bit |
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| 15:21.32 | tsurko | dutchfish, i'm testing on core 2 duo. Are there any problems to install the pae version on a machine with less than 4g ram? |
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| 15:21.46 | dutchfish | tsurko, no you can savely do that |
| 15:21.55 | tsurko | dutchfish, thank you |
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| 15:26.14 | debian__ | How many debian users is there? |
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| 15:26.34 | dutchfish | debian__, millions |
| 15:26.37 | debian__ | Rephrase: How many people use debian. |
| 15:26.38 | debian__ | ? |
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| 15:27.41 | dutchfish | debian__, no exact numbers just google, there are some fancy reports out there |
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| 15:28.47 | wols_ | debian__: such a question can't ever be answered on a linux OS. not even on windows |
| 15:28.56 | kie27 | hiya all, trying to install from a flash key, strictly following guide on debian.org, but laptop (sony g2, ssd, no dvd-drive), although set to boot from usb-flash reports 'operating system not found'. any ideas? |
| 15:29.18 | dutchfish | debian__, maybe this also is nice info: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 15:29.26 | debian__ | Can I donate to make a single program? |
| 15:29.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:29.54 | abrotman | wait .. donate a package or donate money to have someone create the package? |
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| 15:30.58 | debian__ | I just thought, if I want an application. Can I give money so it comes in apt-get and it get made? |
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| 15:32.16 | dutchfish | debian__, http://www.debian.org/donations |
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| 15:34.44 | kie27 | i have written the usb key without problem, and changed the boot order in the bios on the laptop, i can mount the usb key on my existing debian laptop, however the new laptop just reports 'Operating System not found', any ideas what else i can try? |
| 15:35.35 | kie27 | or is there another way i can install debian on the laptop (note:i don't have a usb cdrom drive). |
| 15:35.44 | dutchfish | kie27, use gparted or parted to check your bootsector on that usbkey |
| 15:36.03 | wols_ | kie27: what software does the lappy run right now? |
| 15:36.28 | snewp | if i want to upgrade me etch to sid .. all i have to do is change the source.list to unstable ? |
| 15:36.44 | ayblh | hi all |
| 15:36.44 | ayblh | <ayblh> when i try to execute : make O=/home/user/build/kernel menuconfig |
| 15:36.44 | ayblh | <ayblh> i have this error messgae ! |
| 15:36.44 | ayblh | <ayblh> make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Erreur 1 |
| 15:36.44 | ayblh | <ayblh> any help please ? |
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| 15:36.47 | kie27 | right now, it has windows xp, but i haven't ever booted into it, didn't want to even sign the eula if possible, just bought the laptop |
| 15:36.48 | hoxu | snewp, sid is not upgrade, it's unstable |
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| 15:37.21 | snewp | hoxu: i mean i want to change from etch to sid .. i'll just have to dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:39.41 | debian__ | netjunkie: Isnt sid older than etch? |
| 15:39.49 | Jygzygyzel | any ncurses based scp:s? |
| 15:39.55 | Jygzygyzel | can mc do scp? |
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| 15:40.04 | kie27 | dutchfish: i have opened the flashkey with gparted how do i check the bootsector? |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | ncurses for what? |
| 15:40.08 | dutchfish | Jygzygyzel, yes [F9] |
| 15:40.25 | iwkse | hi there, anybody uses pci wireless cards? i would like to know which one are compatible |
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| 15:41.23 | kie27 | dutchfish: btw it is listed as fat16, size 7.5GiB but no info is shown under used/unused/flags |
| 15:41.24 | dutchfish | Jygzygyzel, i meant [F9] then coose shell connection |
| 15:41.44 | dutchfish | kie27, is it marked bootable? |
| 15:42.03 | abrotman | iwkse: most of the atheros ones and the rt ones ... a few others |
| 15:42.13 | Jygzygyzel | dutchfish its hard to use |
| 15:42.22 | Jygzygyzel | i can't figure out what to write in it |
| 15:42.43 | kie27 | dutchfish: nothing is listed under the flags column, however i did the zcat directly > sda not sda1 as per the install guide |
| 15:42.43 | iwkse | abrotman: thanks, do you have any link where i can read more? |
| 15:42.56 | dutchfish | Jygzygyzel, hehe, choose shell connection then user:password@[serverip] enter |
| 15:43.07 | abrotman | iwkse: uhm .. google "wiki comparison wireless drivers linux" |
| 15:43.18 | Jygzygyzel | dutchfish and where does the port go |
| 15:43.20 | abrotman | iwkse: and then if you choose a driver .. make sure the driver supports the card you're going to buy |
| 15:43.33 | iwkse | abrotman: ok, thanks! |
| 15:43.46 | dutchfish | Jygzygyzel, no port if you choose shell connecton, or do you run ssh on dif port on that remote? |
| 15:43.57 | Jygzygyzel | yes |
| 15:43.58 | Jygzygyzel | 222 |
| 15:44.25 | dutchfish | Jygzygyzel, user:password@[serverip]:[port] (i gues) |
| 15:44.48 | Jygzygyzel | it just says error |
| 15:45.02 | Jygzygyzel | who the heck made this support |
| 15:45.14 | Jygzygyzel | this mc for crying out loud |
| 15:45.27 | Jygzygyzel | its The mc |
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| 15:46.47 | dutchfish | Jygzygyzel, user:password@[serverip]:[port] (just tested it, works for me) |
| 15:47.28 | Jygzygyzel | cannot chdir to that |
| 15:48.19 | kie27 | dutchfish: how do i make it bootable? if i do install-mbr /dev/sda then gparted just lists the entire drive as unallocated |
| 15:48.30 | Jygzygyzel | jesus thats so retarded |
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| 15:48.42 | wilhart- | so debian still beats ubuntu ? |
| 15:48.46 | Jygzygyzel | noone even knows the correct syntax |
| 15:48.54 | suwro | wilhart-: naturally |
| 15:48.58 | wilhart- | :) |
| 15:49.08 | wilhart- | just put debian on my doughters puter |
| 15:49.35 | Oxygenetik | your niggas? |
| 15:49.41 | dutchfish | kie27, with gparted create a partition and check bootable at the options, or use fdisk |
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| 15:49.58 | abrotman | Oxygenetik: don't do that again |
| 15:50.07 | Oxygenetik | okay |
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| 15:50.45 | Jygzygyzel | hey i need a real scp client for the console |
| 15:51.04 | Maulkin | scp |
| 15:51.07 | abrotman | scp works |
| 15:51.10 | Jygzygyzel | no it doesn't |
| 15:51.18 | hoxu | yes it does, too, wahaaaa ! |
| 15:51.22 | hoxu | Jygzygyzel, try lftp |
| 15:51.32 | abrotman | scp works just fine .. PEBKAC |
| 15:51.40 | Jygzygyzel | explain me how the heck am i gonna transfer with scp the contents of /var/* WITHOUT the /var/cache |
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| 15:52.05 | abrotman | find me a client that does that |
| 15:52.08 | Jygzygyzel | you can't simply exclude stuff |
| 15:52.10 | S4nD3r | Is there any tutorial to recover root password in etch ?! |
| 15:52.16 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 15:52.16 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 15:52.23 | Jygzygyzel | well all graphical clients would do that |
| 15:52.30 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: show us |
| 15:52.31 | hoxu | Jygzygyzel, tar ... --exclude ... |ssh anotherhost tar -xf -? |
| 15:52.57 | Jygzygyzel | recursive |
| 15:52.58 | kie27 | dutchfish: gparted only gives the options of ext2/3 or swap. i can use fdisk instead. what should the partition type be, does the size of the partition matter? |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: which would include the 'cache' dir |
| 15:53.19 | Jygzygyzel | and what is that ssh piping |
| 15:53.37 | Jygzygyzel | abrotman not if its exluded |
| 15:53.42 | debian__ | Why does !abrotman show info about abrotman? |
| 15:53.46 | dutchfish | kie27, hold on, you want a bootable debian installer or livesystem? |
| 15:53.51 | abrotman | debian__: becase i'm abrotman ? |
| 15:54.03 | kie27 | just want a bootable debian installer |
| 15:54.05 | debian__ | abrotman: Are you yhe only one? |
| 15:54.18 | abrotman | debian__: no .. there's another i know of on the web |
| 15:55.21 | debian__ | abrotman: Who? |
| 15:55.21 | abrotman | or actually .. two |
| 15:55.21 | abrotman | debian__: do you have a debian question ? |
| 15:55.21 | kie27 | dutchfish: just want a bootable debian installer |
| 15:55.21 | debian__ | abrotman: Yes |
| 15:57.06 | Rusty1 | kie27: http://basic.vox.com/library/post/debian-install-netboot-from-usb-flash-drive.html maybe that can work? |
| 15:57.42 | dutchfish | kie27, http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/current/i386/ & http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB & http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive |
| 15:58.06 | debian__ | Can I make debian become faster? |
| 15:58.29 | kie27 | Rusty1, dutchfish thanks i will check them out now |
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| 15:59.03 | dutchfish | kie27, and with that usb you can use dbootstrap to install |
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| 15:59.46 | debian__ | abrotman: Are you an debian developer? |
| 15:59.59 | abrotman | a DD .. no |
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| 16:00.15 | debian__ | where can I get in contact with them? |
| 16:00.22 | abrotman | for what? |
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| 16:01.01 | debian__ | Ask them questions... |
| 16:01.07 | abrotman | such as? |
| 16:01.29 | Maulkin | debian__: just ask here |
| 16:01.31 | debian__ | How I can become an developer. |
| 16:01.34 | abrotman | !nm |
| 16:01.34 | dpkg | [nm] New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>. |
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| 16:02.11 | ronsonol | I thought I had this fixed, but it's a dice throw whether my soundcard works at bootup. Have a motherboard with onboard sound, but not used in favor of a Hoontech PCI card. |
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| 16:07.22 | shyam_k | hi all i was trying to view a vcd in lenny..initially it complained me of deficiency of pluggins so i installed gstreamer plugins and i did saw that cd once..but now its giving error to see whether the cd is in drive or not..what could be the reason? |
| 16:07.29 | dutchfish | Is lintian or linda the preffered one for the upcoming lenny distro? or will they coexist in future? |
| 16:07.31 | shyam_k | i can access the cd and its files.. |
| 16:07.36 | S4nD3r | Is there any tutorial to recover root password in etch ?! |
| 16:08.18 | xushi_ | is it advisable to make RAID5 with 4 identical hard drives? |
| 16:08.24 | Maulkin | !root password |
| 16:08.27 | Maulkin | bah |
| 16:08.39 | Maulkin | !password |
| 16:08.44 | xushi_ | I have 4 x 320GB and 1 x 250GB. not sure if i can mix and match with them |
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| 16:09.01 | Maulkin | !i forgot root's password |
| 16:09.01 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 16:09.28 | liable | S4nD3r: you were told that 10 minutes ago |
| 16:09.36 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 16:10.38 | LinuxBlues | what is the right place to add my iptables (init) script in etch? |
| 16:11.43 | LinuxBlues | I've tried /etc/network/run but I need to run it with rc.local |
| 16:11.44 | asg | LinuxBlues: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* it gives several suggestions |
| 16:11.56 | LinuxBlues | asg: ok, thnx |
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| 16:12.05 | pingouin | hello |
| 16:12.14 | pingouin | what can i use to see postscript files ? |
| 16:12.41 | Maulkin | vi? |
| 16:12.46 | JordiGH | pingouin: evince, kghostview, gv... |
| 16:12.48 | Maulkin | You'll need to be more specific... |
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| 16:13.15 | LinuxBlues | asg: there isn't any README* file, where do you place it? |
| 16:13.17 | JordiGH | pingouin: I assume you meant you want to preview postscript files, not edit their source. :-) |
| 16:13.27 | pingouin | JordiGH: ok thanks for the proposition of softs |
| 16:13.36 | pingouin | JordiGH: yes i want to see it , not edit the source |
| 16:14.25 | JordiGH | Hm, I've only ever seen Spanish-speakers abbreviate software as "softs". But you look like a French-speaker. Must be more widespread than I thought. |
| 16:14.45 | pingouin | :) |
| 16:14.45 | S4nD3r | !i forgot root's password |
| 16:14.46 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 16:15.18 | S4nD3r | Thank you so much Maulkin |
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| 16:16.22 | S4nD3r | I installed etch, then upgraded to lenny just using netinst CD. I have a friend, who doesnt have internet, want to install debian, what I may download to him ?? |
| 16:16.25 | S4nD3r | CD1 ? |
| 16:16.35 | S4nD3r | debian-40r2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ? |
| 16:16.47 | Maulkin | For all of Debian, you need all the CDs |
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| 16:16.57 | pingouin | S4nD3r: the dvd maybe ? |
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| 16:17.11 | S4nD3r | Its so much to download !!! |
| 16:17.21 | pingouin | more convenient for a non-internet connected computer |
| 16:17.28 | S4nD3r | basic debian !? |
| 16:17.37 | S4nD3r | ummm... ok then |
| 16:17.40 | pingouin | for the basic, only cd1 is ok |
| 16:17.43 | dutchfish | pingouin, dvd's plural ... |
| 16:17.53 | pingouin | dutchfish: sorry, i'm french |
| 16:17.53 | JordiGH | S4nD3r: It's an operating system! It's got web browsers, text editors, a full-fledged destkop environment, mail servers, web servers, programming languages... and that's just disc 1 of 20! |
| 16:17.54 | kie27 | Rusty1: tried the method outlined at vox but i get an error at the syslinux line, will now try the debianlive method suggested |
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| 16:18.11 | dutchfish | pingouin, no problem |
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| 16:18.42 | S4nD3r | Ill download just debian-40r2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso !!! thanks |
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| 16:21.01 | Bushmills | true-crypt, dm-crypt, loop-aes .. what to use for block mounted encrypted devices (as replacement for encfs)? |
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| 16:21.44 | Bushmills | oh, scrap true-crypt |
| 16:22.12 | JordiGH | Doesn't Debian use dm-crypt by default? |
| 16:22.14 | dutchfish | Bushmills, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/encfs |
| 16:22.43 | Bushmills | dutchfish: I'm using encfs atm. |
| 16:22.56 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok sorry |
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| 16:23.31 | Bushmills | can't make up my mind which one of the mentioned ones to look at |
| 16:23.43 | Bushmills | well, choice is down to 2 now |
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| 16:26.21 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i have used this to setup myself, and its running for quiet some time now without a glitch: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
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| 16:26.51 | JordiGH | Where can I read more about the encryption that d-installer does? |
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| 16:27.34 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i use it on lvm2 |
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| 16:28.06 | Rusty1 | kie27: what was the syslinux error? |
| 16:28.08 | Bushmills | there was no reaction like "don't use this or that one, because of ..." so I suppose both are still viable alternatives. |
| 16:28.52 | kie27 | Rusty1, syslinux: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem |
| 16:28.59 | JordiGH | It just occurred to me that my swap partition isn't encrypted. |
| 16:29.07 | Bushmills | nothing obsoleted, or superseded |
| 16:29.29 | kie27 | Rusty1, or /dev/sda1: No such file or directory |
| 16:29.57 | Rusty1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en another method |
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| 16:32.25 | kie27 | Rusty1: yes that was the original method that i tried, however the problem was that the laptop reported 'Operating System not found' |
| 16:32.36 | dutchfish | kie27, also i had alot of problems with U3 sticks containing prop. win software wich messes things up, you can remove them with some win tool however |
| 16:32.38 | jeffwheeler | Is it possible, using any SANE-related tools (esp. the Python interface or scanimage), to autocrop the scanned image? The HP application interface does this automatically, and it'd be amazingly convenient. |
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| 16:33.54 | kie27 | if i use cfdisk to just reformat the whole flash key, which partition type should i choose? |
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| 16:34.14 | gigo | mount shows /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 |
| 16:34.25 | kie27 | is the size (8Gb) going to cause any problems? |
| 16:34.30 | gigo | so, is dd if=/dev/hdc of=cd.iso correct way to create ISO? |
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| 16:34.49 | dutchfish | jeffwheeler, you are out of luck, this option isnt in the sane-backend, i solved it by converting it to pdf and cropping it on the fly |
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| 16:35.17 | jeffwheeler | dutchfish: ah, shoot; I think I'll go with using scanimage and just telling it the areas to crop manually |
| 16:35.26 | jeffwheeler | dutchfish: most will be standard-sized images |
| 16:35.32 | gigo | or should I do dd if=/dev/cdrom? of=cd.iso ? |
| 16:35.38 | dutchfish | jeffwheeler, yes that should work |
| 16:35.55 | Rusty1 | kie27: fat16 , you're using the usb stick only to hold the netinst - installing debian to the hd, right? |
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| 16:37.14 | kie27 | Rusty1: yes, using cfdisk is this going to be number 06? |
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| 16:37.49 | baghyay | hi someone can send to me one .pcx images now for debian |
| 16:37.53 | baghyay | plzz |
| 16:38.22 | maddash_ | almost every runlevel doc I find ignores rcS; what does it do? |
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| 16:38.33 | Rusty1 | kie27: yup |
| 16:39.40 | kie27 | still get the same error syslinux: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem |
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| 16:40.04 | baghyay | i need an image .pcx i van't find one in the net |
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| 16:41.21 | ringo999 | hi. im new to backports. wondering if there is a backport for uswsusp package. is this it: http://packages.debian.org/sid/uswsusp ? |
| 16:41.34 | Rusty1 | bbiab |
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| 16:42.23 | ringo999 | mmm |
| 16:42.35 | wilhart- | hello,i run NVIDIA X Server Settings and wondering if my connection from monitor to my computer? |
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| 16:42.51 | jussi | how can u see temperatures in a text-based debian? |
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| 16:43.26 | wilhart- | jussi: hei, if my nvidia-settings says : Chip location : Internal, DVI connection link: Dual and Signal: TMDS |
| 16:43.38 | wilhart- | means that digital monitor working? |
| 16:43.50 | wilhart- | DVI connection |
| 16:44.26 | jussi | wilhart-: i think so yea |
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| 16:44.40 | wilhart- | jussi: ok.. do you have nvidia? |
| 16:44.44 | jussi | yes i do |
| 16:44.49 | wilhart- | do you have analog? |
| 16:44.54 | jussi | yep |
| 16:45.17 | wilhart- | could you check out nvidia-settings, what's written in it |
| 16:45.37 | wilhart- | gpu (geforce) 7600, dfp-0 (monitor) |
| 16:45.49 | jussi | i dont have debian on the computer i have my nvidia graphics cards. only got debian on my server. |
| 16:45.56 | jussi | i have a 7600 too |
| 16:46.01 | wilhart- | yea. |
| 16:46.04 | Rusty1 | kie27: can you pxe boot the laptop? |
| 16:46.24 | wilhart- | i would like to know whats written on analog connection at "flat panel information" |
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| 16:47.11 | Bushmills | jussi: you could dog, curl or wget, then grep one of these: http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/decoded/ |
| 16:47.13 | kie27 | Rusty1: what is pxe boot? |
| 16:47.26 | dutchfish | kie27, for the debian live i use ext2 for the stick |
| 16:47.32 | wilhart- | jussi: is there any command to see monitor information |
| 16:47.38 | Rusty1 | kie27: GIYF, bbl |
| 16:48.00 | kie27 | dutchfish: ok, will do, download of that file is really slow so still not done yet. |
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| 16:48.26 | dutchfish | kie27, ok, you are not using U3 stick are you? |
| 16:48.40 | wilhart- | dmesg? lspci? |
| 16:48.46 | kie27 | dutchfish: UJ? |
| 16:49.58 | bkw- | all my internet traffic has to pass a proxy. I use socks browsing internet when using firefox. But can I set up any environment variable so wget ftp etc.. works from console? |
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| 16:50.32 | kie27 | Rusty1: no can't pxe boot it since apart from the new laptop i am currently in a foreign country and have only the internet cafe, and my old dying laptop |
| 16:50.44 | dutchfish | kie27, http://www.u3.com/support/default.aspx |
| 16:51.43 | YAPDog | Can any one point me at some documentation that explains d-i partman-auto? Especially the three numbers at the start of every partitioning statement |
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| 16:52.28 | kie27 | dutchfish: there was no mention of u3 on the wrapper! am trying with another usb key now just in case the key is the problem |
| 16:53.13 | dutchfish | kie27, you can recognize U3 software in debian by that funney extra cd automount along with the disk mount |
| 16:53.36 | dutchfish | kie27, it messed up for me many times |
| 16:54.33 | dutchfish | kie27, on the U3 link i gave they provide an uninstall tool (for windows only :( ) |
| 16:54.40 | kie27 | dutchfish: i also get Operating System not found with my other usb key, a 2gb one so i don't think that it is the cause, |
| 16:54.59 | dutchfish | kie27, ok |
| 16:56.07 | dutchfish | kie27, use gparted if you have that to create a cleant ext2 bootable partition and then try again with syslinux in place along with your img |
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| 16:56.41 | kie27 | dutchfish: ok will try that now |
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| 16:59.12 | sco50000 | every time i try to play any kind of video in any player, debian crashes. recently i installed Xgl and edited my xorg.conf to run Compiz Fusion, so i removed Xgl, commented out the changes i made to my xorg.conf, but my X server still crashes when i attepmpt to play any videos, and strangley enough, compiz still works without Xgl and Composite Enabled in xorg.conf |
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| 17:00.40 | gigo | hi. I am using Debian on AMD 64-bit Compaq Presario laptop. I have a touchpad which works but not fine. Like scrolling functionality doesn't work. I can't drag items using the touch pad. Is this some driver problem? Please help me in solving it. |
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| 17:00.47 | sco50000 | hmm, it looks like i commented RENDER enable and not Composite o_O, i'll try restarting X now |
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| 17:01.03 | IronRoses | guys, I need a remote assistant app for debian, latest sable |
| 17:01.05 | IronRoses | any ideas |
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| 17:01.52 | IronRoses | I'm teaching my mate how to sort out apache and install debian right now since he wants to learn linux and stuff |
| 17:02.05 | IronRoses | and i need a remote client for debian |
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| 17:02.46 | jetscreamer | !vnc |
| 17:02.47 | dpkg | i guess vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc> |
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| 17:03.30 | IronRoses | ah, he';s using the shell, we ain't got a desktop installed at all |
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| 17:03.40 | IronRoses | he said he wanted to learn the hard way |
| 17:03.40 | Zou1 | is there any way to get a virtual pc speaker working in system without one ( laptops ) ? |
| 17:03.42 | IronRoses | silly bugger |
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| 17:05.09 | xingu | Zou1: pulseaudio |
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| 17:06.00 | gigo | hi. I am using Debian on AMD 64-bit Compaq Presario laptop. I have a touchpad which works but not fine. Like scrolling functionality doesn't work. I can't drag items using the touch pad. Is this some driver problem? Please help me in solving it. |
| 17:06.01 | Zou1 | xingu: errr ... i need console beep you know |
| 17:06.09 | xingu | Zou1: aah ok |
| 17:06.15 | Bushmills | IronRoses: screen |
| 17:06.29 | Bushmills | IronRoses: can duplicate sessions with -x |
| 17:06.32 | xingu | Zou1: you sure it has no pcspkr? |
| 17:06.50 | Zou1 | xingu: how can i says ? its a laptop |
| 17:07.01 | xingu | Zou1: most notebooks still do, it's usually wired through the normal mixer |
| 17:07.06 | Zou1 | xingu: no separated speaker , sound card have to produce it |
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| 17:07.27 | xingu | Zou1: modprobe pcspkr and unmute your master control, try your luck. |
| 17:07.50 | Zou1 | xingu: does not work , you know whats funny ? when i echo mem > /sys/power/state and back , its working , hehe! |
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| 17:08.28 | xingu | Zou1: definitely sounds like a mixer level issue then |
| 17:08.38 | Zou1 | xingu: played with them all |
| 17:08.39 | Bushmills | Zou1: several. nas, rplay, ... |
| 17:08.44 | Bushmills | Zou1: esd |
| 17:09.14 | Zou1 | Bushmills: they wont work as console beep |
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| 17:09.25 | xingu | Bushmills: different problem; he needs something which will emulate the speaker's tty ioctl's |
| 17:09.44 | Bushmills | ah, ok. misread |
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| 17:10.15 | dutchfish | Is lintian or linda the preffered one for the upcoming lenny distro? or will they coexist in future? |
| 17:10.32 | sco50000 | every time i try to play any kind of video in any player, debian crashes. recently i installed Xgl and edited my xorg.conf to run Compiz Fusion, so i removed Xgl, commented out the changes i made to my xorg.conf, but my X server still crashes when i attepmpt to play any videos, anyone have any ideas? google wasn't too helpful |
| 17:10.38 | xingu | Zou1: if it works after suspend/resume then it's not a hardware issue; you have a speaker; the fault is likely to be that the gain on that mixer channel is zeroed by the driver during init. |
| 17:10.56 | xingu | Zou1: ie, during resume the bios probably resets it during post |
| 17:11.07 | Zou1 | xingu: hum ... any idea on this ? will it be possible for a channel mixer to not appear in alsamixer ? |
| 17:11.13 | xingu | Zou1: or it just floats to a reasonable level during poweron |
| 17:12.10 | xingu | Zou1: it's possible that your alsa routing doesn't match your actual hardware; likely even, if you're using old-ish in-kernel alsa on new-ish intel-hda hardware. |
| 17:12.39 | Zou1 | xingu: its 2.6.24.1 , err ... maybe alsa libs ? its debian testing |
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| 17:13.28 | ronja | heya, i need to upgrade my sources.list, any where i can get one=? |
| 17:13.51 | Zou1 | ronja: the file or the repository ? :) |
| 17:13.57 | Nyle | hm |
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| 17:14.32 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 17:14.36 | Nyle | !securit |
| 17:14.38 | Nyle | !security |
| 17:14.39 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
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| 17:14.40 | xingu | Zou1: it won't be a library issue; 2.6.24 is new enough alsa-wise |
| 17:14.49 | Nyle | hmm no gpm either |
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| 17:14.59 | netjunkie | debian__: what is your question on debian sid/etch at 16:40 about |
| 17:15.05 | Zou1 | xingu: humm ... so , no success is possible , eh ? :) |
| 17:15.19 | xingu | Zou1: have a look at softbeep |
| 17:15.35 | xingu | Zou1: it's not a perfect fit, but it might be close enough |
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| 17:15.44 | xingu | Zou1: take it up on the alsa mailinglist I'd suggest |
| 17:15.50 | Zou1 | xingu: yeah that works sometimes , i do need this for ping -a you know ;) |
| 17:16.18 | Zou1 | xingu: gonna upgrade bios firmware ... |
| 17:16.30 | xingu | Zou1: give them output from dmidecode at least and explain the problem - point out the fact that it works after resume |
| 17:16.52 | xingu | Zou1: they might be interested in what /proc/asound/card*/codec* say about routing |
| 17:17.15 | Nyle | 64 bytes from ftp.us.debian.org (128.30.2.36): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=42.4 ms |
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| 17:17.23 | Nyle | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 17:17.31 | Nyle | hey whats going on here? |
| 17:17.43 | Nyle | I copy pasted the security etch line from the fac tod |
| 17:17.46 | Nyle | factoid* |
| 17:17.58 | Zou1 | xingu: OK! :) big fat thanks xingu ;) |
| 17:18.25 | pingouin | next one : wich software allow me to convert postscript files to PDF ? |
| 17:18.55 | Nyle | any help please |
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| 17:19.56 | Nyle | btw, I had pinged security.debian.org |
| 17:19.58 | dutchfish | pingouin, gs-common ie ps2pdf |
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| 17:20.28 | pingouin | many thanks dutchfish |
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| 17:20.50 | hell-jack | hey |
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| 17:21.16 | hell-jack | i installed bootsplash to debian lenny i took this error message bootsplash: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 17:21.21 | hell-jack | how can i fix |
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| 17:21.38 | Nyle | buggy package |
| 17:22.20 | dutchfish | hell-jack, it need compressed image file |
| 17:22.22 | mynullvoid | hell-jack remove it back |
| 17:22.25 | Nyle | well, I can ping but I can't use security.debian.org |
| 17:22.30 | Nyle | strange |
| 17:22.38 | hell-jack | remove so |
| 17:22.55 | mynullvoid | apt-get remove bootsplash --purge |
| 17:22.56 | hell-jack | i removed |
| 17:23.09 | mynullvoid | I guess you can use splashy |
| 17:23.24 | hell-jack | splashy |
| 17:23.45 | hell-jack | dutchfish, |
| 17:24.02 | hell-jack | how can i find comperessed image file |
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| 17:24.13 | Nyle | !security |
| 17:24.13 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 17:24.23 | debian__ | Sid is older than etch, right? |
| 17:24.26 | dutchfish | hell-jack, the package has a bug and doesnt contain it, thats what i meant |
| 17:24.29 | Nyle | debian__: no |
| 17:24.33 | Maulkin | Nyle: works for me |
| 17:24.35 | Nyle | well |
| 17:24.35 | hell-jack | ha oki |
| 17:24.36 | Nyle | yes |
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| 17:24.46 | Nyle | Maulkin: thanks.. but what do you think could be the problem at my end? |
| 17:24.48 | amphi | debian__: sid is always the future ;) |
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| 17:25.09 | Maulkin | Nyle: could be anything |
| 17:25.13 | Nyle | debian__: older as in its been around for a long time, but its always in an unreleased state |
| 17:25.41 | Nyle | Maulkin: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:25.47 | Nyle | anything wrong with this line? |
| 17:25.57 | Maulkin | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:26.01 | Maulkin | That's what I have |
| 17:26.05 | dutchfish | hell-jack, http://blog.anantshri.info/2007/08/03/bootsplash-aka-splashy-on-debian/ |
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| 17:26.12 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:26.25 | ronja | Zou1: the repositorys! |
| 17:27.04 | Nyle | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:27.46 | kie27 | dutchfish: strangely enough, using mkdosfs instead of using cfdisk/gparted stopped me getting the syslinux error. however tried the two methods using at vox and debian documented flash install and still get 'operating system not found' |
| 17:28.35 | dutchfish | kie27, did you try the debian-live way? it works for me |
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| 17:29.04 | dutchfish | kie27, is your syslinux the correct one? |
| 17:29.30 | Nyle | just for the fuck of it i'm gonna try opendns |
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| 17:29.40 | xingu | Nyle: humour me, add a trailing slash on ..debian.org/ ? |
| 17:29.40 | Nyle | it doesn't seem like a dns issue, but whatever |
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| 17:29.48 | kie27 | the standard img file is 93MB it has now only downloaded 57.4MB (it's really slow), so haven't been able to try yet |
| 17:29.50 | Nyle | xingu: yes I tried that after Maulkin told me his line |
| 17:29.54 | Maulkin | Could be a broken mirror |
| 17:29.55 | Nyle | xingu: same result |
| 17:30.13 | Nyle | Maulkin: security.debian.org points to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 17:30.13 | xingu | Nyle: what happens if you point a browser at http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/ from the same terminal? |
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| 17:30.25 | Nyle | xingu: uno momento I just installed lynx |
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| 17:30.31 | Maulkin | Nyle: not here it doesn't |
| 17:30.41 | Nyle | im in |
| 17:30.48 | Nyle | browser gives me a page for that url |
| 17:31.03 | xingu | browser and apt using the same proxy if any? |
| 17:31.08 | Nyle | no proxy |
| 17:31.14 | debian__ | So sid isnt done but it is older than etch? |
| 17:31.22 | twiggz | newer |
| 17:31.40 | Bushmills | in the sense of "sid existed before etch", yes |
| 17:31.43 | Nyle | Maulkin: hmm |
| 17:31.47 | wols_ | !tell debian__ about sid faq |
| 17:31.48 | twiggz | more recent software in sid.. |
| 17:31.57 | Bushmills | but not in the sense of "the packages it consists of are older" |
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| 17:32.03 | twiggz | more bullshit errors in sid.. |
| 17:32.28 | xingu | Nyle: there's _only_ a compressed Packages.{gz,bz2} |
| 17:32.36 | xingu | Nyle: I wonder if that's what's throwing it? |
| 17:32.45 | Nyle | xingu: Maulkin: new stuff now |
| 17:32.45 | Nyle | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 17:32.46 | Nyle | Get:4 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages [4163B] |
| 17:32.46 | Nyle | !! |
| 17:32.46 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 17:32.51 | Nyle | :/ |
| 17:33.12 | Nyle | dude, now security works and ftp.us.debian.org doesn't |
| 17:33.13 | jetscreamer | etch/updates/contrib |
| 17:33.20 | xingu | Nyle: busted mirror |
| 17:33.22 | ronja | sorry |
| 17:33.23 | xingu | Nyle: http://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-amd64/ |
| 17:33.24 | jetscreamer | etch/updates contrib |
| 17:33.31 | xingu | Nyle: it's screwed; try ftp.uk instead |
| 17:33.36 | ronja | can i write this again |
| 17:33.39 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:33.52 | ronja | i need to upgrade my sources.list, any where i can get one? i need the repo lines |
| 17:34.05 | jetscreamer | also try the word stable instead of etch sometimes that helps |
| 17:34.06 | wols_ | debian__: I know who abrotman is, thank you very much |
| 17:34.10 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 17:34.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 17:34.14 | jetscreamer | !mirrors |
| 17:34.14 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 17:34.30 | ronja | ok |
| 17:34.37 | debian__ | wols_: I know what sidfag thank you very much |
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| 17:34.52 | jetscreamer | !nuke debian__ |
| 17:34.52 | xingu | Nyle: actually that's a bust too; try villa.debian.org |
| 17:35.01 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 17:35.14 | cloakable | !nuke us all |
| 17:35.27 | xingu | Nyle: don't you love geocaching when it's broken? |
| 17:35.28 | jetscreamer | oops i fed the monkeys |
| 17:35.46 | ronja | hmmmm... difficoult, nothing works |
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| 17:36.14 | jetscreamer | ronja: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list ... choose the right ones |
| 17:36.39 | ronja | o thanks |
| 17:36.54 | ronja | i use etch |
| 17:37.00 | ronja | that is sid |
| 17:37.04 | Nyle | umm |
| 17:37.06 | Nyle | guys |
| 17:37.08 | wols_ | debian__: then don't ask stupid questions. but then, just look at your nick and your question history. no more questions your honor |
| 17:37.09 | ronja | oops |
| 17:37.09 | ronja | sorry |
| 17:37.15 | ronja | didn see that |
| 17:37.17 | wols_ | !enter |
| 17:37.18 | Nyle | xingu: Maulkin: dudes... it is NOT a broken mirror |
| 17:37.19 | wols_ | !enter |
| 17:37.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:37.41 | Nyle | xingu: Maulkin: I used opendns i /etc/resolv.conf and ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org both work fine now |
| 17:37.44 | Nyle | no problems at all |
| 17:37.59 | Nyle | I didn't think it was a DNS issue, but I had a hunch somehow |
| 17:38.01 | xingu | Nyle: it is a busted mirror |
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| 17:38.10 | Nyle | xingu: that maybe, but its working now |
| 17:38.15 | Nyle | so is it still busted? |
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| 17:38.30 | Nyle | same mirror is working no problem |
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| 17:38.36 | _moro_bana_ | is there a gizmo install for amd64 |
| 17:38.37 | xingu | Nyle: the opendns change is steering you to a different one; and just to add sauce the servers are also using named virtualhosts just to really mess with your mind |
| 17:38.51 | debian__ | Does debian work less on amd cpus? |
| 17:38.51 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:38.52 | dutchfish | http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
| 17:38.55 | Vstedet | Greetz. What package contains the Kernel Source Tree? I am using Kernel 2-6-18-5-686 |
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| 17:39.09 | xingu | Nyle: try adding an /etc/hosts entry of 212.211.132.32 security.debian.org, and dropping opendns |
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| 17:39.30 | Nyle | xingu: I just got this ip when I pinged |
| 17:39.32 | Bushmills | what about, ip address of mirror was changed to point to a different nic, but the dns nyle used was still caching the old ip address of the borked mirror? |
| 17:39.37 | Nyle | xingu: so how come opendns is doing that |
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| 17:39.49 | xingu | Nyle: geocaching. |
| 17:39.58 | Nyle | xingu: ahhhh thats what that is |
| 17:40.11 | Nyle | ding! |
| 17:40.16 | dutchfish | dong! |
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| 17:41.00 | xingu | Nyle: well I guess that term's probably wrong, try global server load balancing |
| 17:41.04 | Nyle | well, I like open dns |
| 17:41.04 | nextime | Hi. anyone is trying to build zaptel-source module with m-a against 2.6.24? |
| 17:41.12 | Nyle | unless you guys find something wrong with it? |
| 17:41.15 | jetscreamer | round robin |
| 17:41.26 | Nyle | i knew a fat kid named robin |
| 17:41.27 | Nyle | so what? |
| 17:41.29 | Nyle | ;) |
| 17:41.31 | xingu | jetscreamer: that too; but not just. |
| 17:41.56 | dutchfish | round robin is at least fair ;) |
| 17:42.03 | Nyle | guys |
| 17:42.06 | Nyle | what is round robin? |
| 17:42.37 | jetscreamer | you get locked into a building and don't come out for 3 days, at pdap... |
| 17:42.49 | jetscreamer | my mother was a bookeeper for pdap |
| 17:42.54 | jetscreamer | god |
| 17:42.57 | xingu | Nyle: loading namespace with multiple answers for the same query |
| 17:43.03 | Maulkin | Use links, lynx or w3m and google for it |
| 17:43.04 | Nyle | ohh |
| 17:43.13 | Bushmills | nyle, weekdays are round robin |
| 17:43.16 | Vstedet | Hm, where is the Kernel Tree Source installed ? |
| 17:43.18 | Nyle | Maulkin: I got lynx... pain in the patoot |
| 17:43.30 | xingu | Nyle: what I'm thinking is _also_ going on, is loading namespace with multiple answers specific to the apparent source of a given query |
| 17:43.32 | wols_ | Vstedet: dpkg -L <package> |
| 17:43.36 | jetscreamer | Vstedet: the source is /usr/src, you have to untar it |
| 17:43.44 | jetscreamer | is in |
| 17:43.49 | Vstedet | wols_: Nice tip - thanks! :) |
| 17:43.57 | Vstedet | jetscreamer: Ah, okay. Thanks :D |
| 17:43.59 | xingu | Nyle: here, security.debian.org has 3x answers; I'm just tickling a little to see if it's the same three from other test points. |
| 17:44.05 | Nyle | xingu: filtered by source? why? |
| 17:44.10 | Nyle | xingu: I saw two so far |
| 17:44.29 | dutchfish | round robin: throw a baal ata group, every next ball hits a different person |
| 17:44.51 | xingu | Nyle: allegedly, to steer you to the "nearest" mirror |
| 17:45.01 | Nyle | xingu: thats what I figured |
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| 17:45.02 | xingu | Nyle: and in this case forget it, it's just round-robin. |
| 17:45.10 | Nyle | yup, fat kid |
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| 17:45.24 | Nyle | heh fat kid named robin |
| 17:45.52 | Vstedet | Hm, I am still having problems getting the nVidia driver to install. It is still complaining about missing Kernel Source Tree. Any suggestions ? |
| 17:46.00 | Maulkin | s.d.o just does rrdns, not geodns |
| 17:46.06 | wols_ | you do not need a source tree |
| 17:46.12 | ronja | http://pastebin.ca/897572 |
| 17:46.12 | wols_ | !tell Vstedet about nvidia_post_etch |
| 17:46.17 | ronja | getting with apt-get update |
| 17:46.18 | Nyle | sudo aptitude full-upgrade |
| 17:46.26 | Nyle | and only kernel wants to be upgraded |
| 17:46.30 | jetscreamer | Vstedet: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 17:46.30 | Maulkin | !mmap |
| 17:46.30 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 17:46.34 | Nyle | wow.. thats nice |
| 17:46.40 | jetscreamer | Vstedet: ^^ |
| 17:46.42 | Nyle | I haven't used etch in a long time as a desktop os |
| 17:46.48 | Vstedet | jetscreamer: Unfortunately I do not have a browser at the moment :p |
| 17:46.57 | jetscreamer | Vstedet: use lynx |
| 17:46.57 | Nyle | I don't know why I'm using etch, no idea |
| 17:47.01 | wols_ | jetscreamer: you know it by heart now. stop it! |
| 17:47.05 | jetscreamer | Vstedet: lynx http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 17:47.07 | wols_ | jetscreamer: #nvidia |
| 17:47.11 | Vstedet | Thanks, wols :) |
| 17:47.13 | ronja | .. |
| 17:47.17 | ronja | http://pastebin.ca/897572 |
| 17:47.21 | ronja | getting with apt-get update |
| 17:47.23 | Vstedet | jetscreamer: thanks, I will give it a try |
| 17:47.28 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I have a 7600gS in my old machine, sold to my roommate, I am now the ATI guy |
| 17:47.37 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.41 | wols_ | ronja: you've been already told what to do |
| 17:47.43 | hell-jack | does someone know ? |
| 17:47.44 | Nyle | jetscreamer: after fglrx wonder driver, its not so bad |
| 17:47.44 | jetscreamer | yes you're the ati guy i know |
| 17:47.48 | wols_ | !tell hell-jack WIR |
| 17:47.52 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ATI is kinda cool man |
| 17:48.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer: now that the drivers don't suck as much as they used to |
| 17:48.04 | jetscreamer | ronja: they told you how to fix that |
| 17:48.05 | ronja | wols_: no i already did that |
| 17:48.08 | hell-jack | bot does not come |
| 17:48.16 | Nyle | they still suck a bit fat one, but still.. they do a better job of it |
| 17:48.18 | ronja | this is another problem. |
| 17:48.21 | roxazer | how can i check when Debian was installed on my PC? |
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| 17:48.27 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 17:48.27 | Nyle | when? |
| 17:48.31 | wols_ | ronja: pastebin your sources.list then |
| 17:48.45 | Nyle | isn't there some sort of an install log file in /root |
| 17:48.46 | ronja | ok |
| 17:48.48 | Nyle | is ther? |
| 17:48.48 | ronja | moment. |
| 17:48.54 | wols_ | tolecnal: check creation date of /usr for example |
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| 17:49.13 | wols_ | Nyle: dpkg.0.log exists |
| 17:49.28 | Nyle | wols_: hey I did my first debootstrap amd64 install last night |
| 17:49.40 | ronja | http://pastebin.ca/897576 |
| 17:49.43 | ronja | there you go mr. |
| 17:49.46 | roxazer | Nyle: idk, gonna check hold |
| 17:49.48 | Nyle | also, what is the correct way of trying to get something amended/added to the install guide? |
| 17:49.59 | wols_ | Nyle: I have to install amd64 RSN. have now 4GB |
| 17:50.02 | hell-jack | is there something to change firefox language |
| 17:50.04 | Nyle | should I file a bugreport, but its not a package |
| 17:50.10 | hell-jack | i download french firefox |
| 17:50.23 | Nyle | its just some really crappy install guide which could use improvement |
| 17:50.36 | Nyle | and I could improve it, Im sure Supaplex would want to do it too |
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| 17:50.43 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 17:50.45 | wols_ | Nyle: which guide? |
| 17:50.47 | Nyle | so how does one go about getting the installation guide amended? |
| 17:50.53 | Maulkin | Nyle: get a patch together |
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| 17:50.56 | Nyle | ig for amd64 (debootstrap install) |
| 17:50.59 | dutchfish | is there an alternative for gmanedit, its crashing so much, preferably gnome |
| 17:51.04 | wols_ | Nyle: linky? |
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| 17:51.28 | karmatronic | dutchfish: you mean gedit ? |
| 17:51.28 | Nyle | wols_: i think its chapter 3.2 i think, installing debian from an existing unix/linux using debootstrap |
| 17:51.31 | solars | does anyone know how to do a map a key like X to Control-y with xmodmap ? |
| 17:51.41 | ronja | ok testing works but not unstable, |
| 17:52.06 | dutchfish | karmatronic, nah to much syntax hassling |
| 17:52.07 | Maulkin | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ape.html.en |
| 17:52.12 | Nyle | Maulkin: patch?.. you mean content? sure.. whoeve wants to can look at it, make it better, and finally you guys could probably put it online |
| 17:52.14 | Maulkin | Go read that |
| 17:52.18 | HSorgYves | Why does update-desktop-database not check the $HOME/.local/share/applications folder? |
| 17:52.29 | ronja | so testing and unstable should not be enabled sametime? |
| 17:52.29 | Nyle | Maulkin: ok i'll be back when i got that done |
| 17:52.32 | dutchfish | karmatronic, to spead up manpage creation |
| 17:52.50 | Maulkin | That tells you what to report the bug against etc |
| 17:52.59 | ronja | testing -> larry ? |
| 17:53.03 | Nyle | Maulkin: I see nothing but weird chars |
| 17:53.07 | bkw- | If I want the the debian kernel source for the running kernel (2.6.18-5). Is apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 the right way to fetch it? |
| 17:53.28 | Nyle | Maulkin: I opened it in lynx and saw not english |
| 17:53.28 | jetscreamer | bkw: you want the headers |
| 17:53.31 | Maulkin | Nyle: they're called letters. You put them together to form 'words' |
| 17:53.44 | amphi | weird roman chars? ;) |
| 17:53.45 | jetscreamer | bkw-: did you see the link? |
| 17:53.46 | wols_ | bkw-: why would you want the source, what for? |
| 17:53.47 | Maulkin | Take less drugs |
| 17:54.07 | jetscreamer | bkw-: you want apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:54.15 | bkw- | ok |
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| 17:54.30 | Nyle | Maulkin: seriously, I have my locales generated properly, though I am unable see that page because it prints nothing but nonstandard not alphanumeric chars |
| 17:54.36 | blackflag | hello all :) |
| 17:54.43 | jetscreamer | bkw-: check the other channel |
| 17:54.45 | Maulkin | Then you don't have your locales generated properly |
| 17:54.46 | Nyle | Maulkin: what I can read is 0-9, and a-z. anything else (which is what shows up) i can't read |
| 17:55.04 | Nyle | Maulkin: I have the en_US utf 8 one |
| 17:55.11 | ronja | testing -> larry ? |
| 17:55.15 | blackflag | I just installed apache2 and can not find "apache2-ssl-certificate" |
| 17:55.16 | jetscreamer | lenny |
| 17:55.18 | Nyle | Maulkin: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? right? |
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| 17:55.20 | Maulkin | Works for me. |
| 17:55.20 | wols_ | !lenny |
| 17:55.20 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
| 17:55.23 | blackflag | can someone help? |
| 17:55.31 | Maulkin | Anyway... pub. Laters |
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| 17:55.38 | wols_ | !tell blackflag about search |
| 17:55.51 | wols_ | also, apache2 is NOT not the HTTPS daemon |
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| 17:57.31 | Nyle | Generating locales (this might take a while)... en_US.UTF-8... done |
| 17:57.40 | Nyle | I still see garbage and not real text |
| 17:57.46 | Nyle | whats up |
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| 17:58.29 | Nyle | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 17:58.39 | Nyle | :( |
| 17:58.52 | Nyle | help me |
| 17:59.25 | amphi | Nyle: get yourself that moron you've been promising yourself ;) |
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| 17:59.45 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:59.47 | Nyle | c'mon man.... |
| 17:59.58 | Vstedet | wols_ and jetscreamer > Thank you very much. I got my nVidia card working perfectly and now running TuxRacer. Very nice :D |
| 18:00.13 | amphi | Nyle: dunno; it's just t3h wr0k here |
| 18:00.31 | amphi | Nyle: in what do you see garbage? |
| 18:00.34 | Nyle | maybe I need to logout and login again |
| 18:00.39 | Nyle | I have no idea |
| 18:00.48 | HSorgYves | which folders can I put .desktop files in? |
| 18:00.49 | Nyle | amphi: the last link Maulkin pasted me |
| 18:01.00 | Nyle | amphi: and in irssi, some chars from my theme used to show up fine, now they don't |
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| 18:01.41 | Nyle | amphi: and in ncurses guis, dialog etc., I see ugly Aa looking chars with things on them, instead of chars that actually do lines etc for boxes/outlines |
| 18:02.22 | Nyle | do you know what I'm talking about, I see an i with two dots on it, upside down question marks, diff fractions like 1/2, 3/4 etc. |
| 18:02.24 | \amethyst | Nyle: what terminal are you using? |
| 18:02.29 | amphi | what does the following look like to you? «Ô» |
| 18:02.32 | Nyle | TERM=xterm-color |
| 18:02.42 | \amethyst | Nyle: I mean, which actual terminal? xterm? |
| 18:02.52 | Nyle | A arrow A square A arrow in other way |
| 18:03.00 | Nyle | \amethyst: console |
| 18:03.01 | Nyle | no X yet |
| 18:03.03 | amphi | Nyle: you should see the god horus, with the head of the sun ;) |
| 18:03.06 | Nyle | fresh amd64 install etch |
| 18:03.16 | Nyle | amphi: surely you jest |
| 18:03.29 | Nyle | (keep in mind I might go bald soon ;) |
| 18:03.36 | ronja | oh heck |
| 18:03.47 | ronja | im upgradint to leroy |
| 18:03.54 | amphi | Nyle: well, '<<', capital-O-circumflex '>>' |
| 18:04.04 | Nyle | so TERM=linux |
| 18:04.09 | Nyle | according to env|grep TERM |
| 18:04.23 | ronja | omg i'm upgrading to lenny |
| 18:04.24 | Nyle | lang I already pasted is ok |
| 18:04.29 | amphi | Nyle: this is in a text console? |
| 18:04.31 | Nyle | LANG* |
| 18:04.33 | \amethyst | Nyle: does running unicode_start help anything? |
| 18:04.35 | Nyle | amphi: that is correct |
| 18:04.40 | Nyle | \amethyst: uno momento |
| 18:04.49 | cizzi | how can I get nmap to report another port as "ssh" other than port 22? where does it cross reference the ports to? |
| 18:04.55 | jetscreamer | face it you're not worthy |
| 18:04.58 | amphi | Nyle: did you try a different font? (consolechars) |
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| 18:05.06 | Nyle | hm... quickly.. which package provides this? |
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| 18:05.22 | Nyle | amphi: well, I didn't really understand console-data config |
| 18:05.27 | vinc456` | i have an extra kernel in grub that i did not intend to install, how can i remove it? |
| 18:05.32 | Nyle | could it be amisconfigured console-data pacakge? |
| 18:05.56 | jetscreamer | vinc456`: either remove the kernel or just run update-grub |
| 18:06.15 | jetscreamer | vinc456`: but you can have a lot of them in your list |
| 18:06.21 | Nyle | \amethyst: unicode_start um... could you tell me which package (be a bit difficult to search atm) |
| 18:06.22 | jetscreamer | Nyle: what's to understand |
| 18:06.23 | wols_ | vinc456`: remove the kernel package that installed that kernel |
| 18:06.23 | vinc456` | it appeared when i upgraded my kernel headers from aptitude and i don't want to keep the recent one |
| 18:06.28 | vinc456` | i'll look into update grub |
| 18:06.29 | vinc456` | thanks |
| 18:06.40 | jetscreamer | vinc456`: update-grub .. no space |
| 18:06.59 | \amethyst | Nyle: console-tools |
| 18:07.17 | Nyle | not data |
| 18:07.18 | Nyle | whoops |
| 18:07.23 | Nyle | heh, brain fart again |
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| 18:07.38 | jetscreamer | vinc456`: you should keep at least one spare, btw, just in case.. you don't 'have' to |
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| 18:08.32 | ronja | so anything wrong wiht my sources.list ? |
| 18:08.40 | vinc456` | well the one i accidentally and unintenionally installed doesn't work so i don't want to keep it |
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| 18:09.01 | vinc456` | i don't know why updating the header installed an extra kernel, it didn't do so previously |
| 18:09.23 | vinc456` | i'm glad debian was smart enough to keep a backup because i just shot myself in the foot |
| 18:10.18 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:10.20 | vinc456` | do i remove the unwanted kernel files from /boot or or could i uninstall through aptitude? |
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| 18:11.08 | \amethyst | vinc456`: if they were installed as debian packages, you would use aptitude to uninstall linux-image-<version> |
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| 18:11.32 | Nyle | see |
| 18:11.39 | Nyle | THATs what I'm talking about |
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| 18:11.45 | Nyle | yea baby, yea baby |
| 18:11.49 | \amethyst | vinc456`: for example, vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 would be in the package linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:11.51 | lleksah | yeah baby, oh yeah |
| 18:11.52 | \amethyst | Nyle: working now? |
| 18:12.22 | Nyle | success with search console, install console-data/tools/setup/terminus(bold) run console-setup debconf and voila |
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| 18:12.41 | \amethyst | Nyle: The init script for console-tools should now run unicode_start automatically on boot, assuming your locale in /etc/{environment,default/locale} is a UTF-8 one |
| 18:12.54 | Nyle | it is |
| 18:13.05 | Nyle | \amethyst: it wasn't console-tools that did it though |
| 18:13.11 | Nyle | console-setup |
| 18:13.13 | \amethyst | ah |
| 18:13.40 | Nyle | amphi: ok, its time I got a moron now |
| 18:13.54 | Nyle | man this terminus bold font kicks ass |
| 18:13.55 | Nyle | :D |
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| 18:14.51 | Nyle | man there is soooo much to learn and sooooo much to read and soooooo little time |
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| 18:15.00 | Guru | hi all |
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| 18:15.13 | Guru | i want some basic info abt open soucre ? |
| 18:15.16 | Guru | any one? |
| 18:15.18 | dutchfish | cizzi, /etc/protocols |
| 18:15.20 | Nyle | Guru: google |
| 18:15.22 | \amethyst | Guru: what about it? |
| 18:15.50 | ronja | omg what should i do |
| 18:15.54 | Guru | well the history of open source how it starts , what the its clones , debain , suse etc |
| 18:16.05 | Guru | what licenses open source have |
| 18:16.09 | jetscreamer | gnu.org |
| 18:16.18 | Guru | can i have any good presentation on that |
| 18:16.21 | ronja | change etch to lenny? |
| 18:16.27 | ronja | i mean sources.list |
| 18:16.30 | vinc456` | you might be able to find a good book |
| 18:16.34 | vinc456` | on the subject |
| 18:16.43 | \amethyst | Guru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software might be good places to start |
| 18:16.57 | Nyle | man etch is kicking my ass |
| 18:16.59 | Nyle | damn |
| 18:17.18 | Nyle | I been trying to figure out why the hell I my alias upgrade for sudo aptitude full-upgrade won't work |
| 18:17.26 | Nyle | fucking etch man,... dist-upgrade |
| 18:17.51 | JordiGH | Bruce Perens just wrote something about how the term "open source" is coming along. |
| 18:18.15 | JordiGH | Funny that it was meant to be a corporate-friendly synonym for "free software". Almost everyone seems to forget that. |
| 18:18.27 | \amethyst | Guru: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Open_Source |
| 18:18.33 | Nyle | open source doesn't mean free |
| 18:18.38 | Nyle | free means free |
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| 18:18.51 | Nyle | opensource could be free, but it doesn't have to be |
| 18:19.02 | Nyle | so what is free |
| 18:19.11 | Nyle | gnu/gpl is free |
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| 18:19.29 | Nyle | but is it really free? I mean it still restricts you in some ways |
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| 18:19.48 | Guru | thanks man amethyst |
| 18:19.49 | wols_ | Nyle: http://www.opensource.org/licenses |
| 18:19.52 | Nyle | so really... nothing is ever free, is it, in all manners of the term? |
| 18:19.57 | JordiGH | Nyle: Well, open source was *meant* to mean free. |
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| 18:20.04 | Nyle | wols_: I've read em all |
| 18:20.05 | wols_ | Nyle: public domain |
| 18:20.06 | Guru | if you find any good presentation it will be great |
| 18:20.16 | \amethyst | Nyle: even "an ye harm none, do as thou wilt" isn't completely "free" |
| 18:20.22 | \amethyst | Nyle: since it has a condition on it |
| 18:20.26 | Nyle | JordiGH: yes but I like what stallman said about opensource vs free |
| 18:20.46 | ronja | any other new disto releaseD? |
| 18:20.47 | Nyle | and it seemed to make a lot of sense to me |
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| 18:21.14 | ronja | not mandriva,mandrake,fedora,archlinux,gentoo,sabayon,ubuntu,debian? |
| 18:21.15 | wols_ | Nyle: if you want to understand the rason of GPL's limits, you need to read more gdel |
| 18:21.17 | Nyle | I dont have the link handy for that, but its about the differences between opensource "", and free |
| 18:21.20 | JordiGH | Nyle: I prefer to use the term free software too, but open source has almost the same aims as free software. The idea that open source doesn't advocate freedom isn't true. They just de-emphasise it. |
| 18:21.28 | jetscreamer | it's rare, to me, can't you seeeeee |
| 18:21.41 | Nyle | wols_: I understand... I'm just saying... weird philosophical way |
| 18:21.49 | abrotman | JordiGH: no they don't |
| 18:21.53 | Nyle | \amethyst knows what I meant ;) |
| 18:22.08 | Nyle | JordiGH: THEY DO NOT! |
| 18:22.13 | Nyle | which is what I'm trying to tell you |
| 18:22.30 | jion | hello. Anybody know how start automatically a program in a tty when debian starts? |
| 18:22.34 | JordiGH | abrotman: They don't de-emphasise it? I guess it depends who you ask. esr doesn't like to talk about freedom, for instance. He wants his software working no matter what. |
| 18:22.43 | abrotman | they don't have the same goals |
| 18:23.04 | JordiGH | abrotman: Well... not even similar? |
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| 18:23.20 | jetscreamer | when is irc going to add holographic images? |
| 18:23.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: give stuff away for "free" .. would you argue that opera and firefox have the same goals ? |
| 18:23.31 | Nyle | carrot is similar to me.. we're both made of hydrocarbons and other stuff |
| 18:23.33 | Nyle | :/ |
| 18:23.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no one wants to look at you :) |
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| 18:23.52 | jetscreamer | true |
| 18:23.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: interesting |
| 18:24.18 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I recently read the 'holographic universe' article |
| 18:24.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: Uhm, but neither OSI would say that Opera is open source nor would the FSF say it's free. |
| 18:24.28 | jetscreamer | watched re3 last night |
| 18:24.33 | Nyle | that was very interesting too.. how information could travel faster than light speed.. etc. etc. |
| 18:24.43 | jetscreamer | opera got rid of the ads |
| 18:24.44 | abrotman | so free software and open source don't have the same goals ? |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yay! |
| 18:24.48 | Nyle | Its cool to read the crazy shit people can theorize |
| 18:24.53 | Nyle | fuck opera |
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| 18:25.06 | rabies | hi |
| 18:25.06 | jetscreamer | opera seems like better than ff on windows |
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| 18:25.11 | jetscreamer | didn't test much |
| 18:25.12 | Nyle | if they had named it metal |
| 18:25.26 | JordiGH | abrotman: I don't understand what your point is with Opera. Open source is free software for businesses, at least that was the intention. |
| 18:25.26 | Nyle | it would be a manly browser |
| 18:25.56 | jetscreamer | free!=free |
| 18:26.04 | Nyle | jetscreamer != jetscreamer |
| 18:26.08 | JordiGH | abrotman: This wasn't about free vs gratis. I don't get your point. |
| 18:26.10 | Nyle | he is an alien. |
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| 18:26.16 | rabies | for some reason when i start up x my display either crashes right away and goes blank (if i use vesa) or i can use it for a while (fglrx with KDE) and then i get a kernel panic when X ends |
| 18:26.19 | valdyn | JordiGH: the fsf is an organisation with an ethical and political agenda, free software does not imply any of that |
| 18:26.24 | Nyle | dwelling in our midst |
| 18:26.30 | jetscreamer | no jetscreamer > jetscreamer ... the original was 2d, i'm multidimensional |
| 18:26.33 | rabies | i just updated Xorg and im on the testing branch |
| 18:26.35 | rabies | any idas? |
| 18:26.36 | rabies | ideas |
| 18:26.40 | valdyn | JordiGH: fsf != free software |
| 18:26.41 | JordiGH | valdyn: You can't talk about freedom without talking about ethics. Free software implies talking about ethics. |
| 18:26.48 | valdyn | JordiGH: no |
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| 18:27.09 | JordiGH | valdyn: yes |
| 18:27.25 | valdyn | JordiGH: "free" having an ethical connotation isnt necessary |
| 18:27.27 | Nyle | I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader |
| 18:27.27 | Nyle | guys |
| 18:27.30 | Nyle | updating my kernel |
| 18:27.36 | rabies | i want to get my friggin display to work with X! |
| 18:27.42 | jetscreamer | free software is great! but i have nvidia 8600, so how great is it |
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| 18:27.44 | Nyle | i got this message regarding "do_initrd = Yes" |
| 18:27.56 | rabies | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 18:28.04 | Nyle | last night from the install guide, I was told to use do_initrd= no |
| 18:28.06 | Nyle | iirc |
| 18:28.11 | abrotman | rabies: look in the X log |
| 18:28.17 | jetscreamer | Nyle: that is in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf .. or was it -img.conf |
| 18:28.22 | Nyle | -img |
| 18:28.31 | JordiGH | valdyn: "Free" is about one person vs another. It's about a person wanting to do something and another person wanting to do something else. It's about conflicts of interest, and how to resolve them. That's ethics. |
| 18:28.40 | jetscreamer | well did you pass --initrd Nyle ? |
| 18:28.43 | rabies | abrotman: no abnormalities |
| 18:28.47 | Nyle | but do_initrd was said to be switched to no |
| 18:28.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I hadn't built it |
| 18:28.56 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:28.57 | Nyle | jetscreamer: stock kernel from etch updates |
| 18:28.58 | abrotman | rabies: paste it ? |
| 18:29.01 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 18:29.03 | rabies | abrotman: k, sec |
| 18:29.19 | jetscreamer | ok does ANYBODY know if we got a new kernel maintainer? |
| 18:29.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's a horrible description |
| 18:29.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's a team |
| 18:29.28 | valdyn | JordiGH: nah, the gpl is just a license, thats just a contract, its not ethics |
| 18:29.30 | jetscreamer | there's too many apparent n00b mistakes |
| 18:29.34 | jetscreamer | abrotman: ah |
| 18:29.46 | abrotman | !maint linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:29.50 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you're a noob mistake! |
| 18:29.51 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686: Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
| 18:29.51 | valdyn | JordiGH: it can serve an ethical agenda, but its not ethical in etself, as its just a written contract |
| 18:29.52 | Nyle | heh heh |
| 18:29.56 | JordiGH | valdyn: The contracts are drawn as a way to resolve ethical conflicts! Law has its origin in ethics. |
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| 18:30.39 | jetscreamer | i am a mistake of nature: i'm evolved beyond your ken. should have been born in the future... |
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| 18:30.51 | simonrvn | english common law has as source a way to solve disputes, it's by its very nature confrontational |
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| 18:31.02 | JordiGH | abrotman: no |
| 18:31.03 | jetscreamer | (i kick down your door and go in) |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | JordiGH: yes |
| 18:31.11 | Nyle | wow |
| 18:31.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: no |
| 18:31.16 | Nyle | I had a typo in the config file |
| 18:31.24 | Nyle | instead of do_initrd it sayd o_initrd |
| 18:31.25 | Nyle | heh |
| 18:31.26 | valdyn | JordiGH: the origin is quite irrelevant |
| 18:31.30 | abrotman | JordiGH: have i told you that i don't trust anyhting you say? :) |
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| 18:31.34 | simonrvn | there's no ethics in that, except as a way to resolve the disputes, and agreed upon resolutions |
| 18:31.49 | Nyle | what are ethics? |
| 18:31.55 | Nyle | (not in the literal term) |
| 18:31.57 | JordiGH | I have no idea what you people mean by ethics if you don't think that law arises from ethics. |
| 18:32.00 | rabies | abrotman: paste.debian.net/48796 |
| 18:32.04 | valdyn | JordiGH: i.e. a law is binding once it exists, no matter if ethical or not |
| 18:32.06 | Nyle | how do you define ethics? |
| 18:32.14 | Nyle | who agreed that these are ethics |
| 18:32.20 | Nyle | I mean.. who made this shit universal? |
| 18:32.22 | JordiGH | I think ethics is about how we should conduct ourselves in society. I think you must think ethics is only a personal morality or something like that. |
| 18:32.26 | simonrvn | !dict ethics |
| 18:32.26 | rabies | abrotman: if you want i can dcc you the full thing |
| 18:32.28 | dpkg | Dictionary 'ethics' (2 of 4): the philosophical study of moral values and rules ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "ethics" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" ethics. |
| 18:32.30 | abrotman | uh no |
| 18:32.34 | rabies | abrotman: heh, k |
| 18:32.36 | Nyle | see.. fuck morality |
| 18:32.38 | rabies | abrotman: its not very interesting |
| 18:32.38 | abrotman | rabies: aptitude install xorg |
| 18:32.44 | simonrvn | ^^^^^ |
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| 18:32.51 | Nyle | its not a goddamn universal aboslute and it shouldn't have to be in any society |
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| 18:33.03 | Nyle | morality is relative at best |
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| 18:33.11 | Nyle | which is what it all stems from |
| 18:33.30 | simonrvn | and different societies will have different ethics and morals |
| 18:33.36 | JordiGH | Law is a way to say, "okay, this ethical conflict, we'll resolve it this way, and there are no further arguments about it until we change the law." |
| 18:33.36 | Nyle | simonrvn: indeed |
| 18:33.43 | simonrvn | that said, there are commonalities |
| 18:34.02 | rabies | abrotman: heh... |
| 18:34.05 | Nyle | simonrvn: yes but most people become too fundamental with this shit |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | rabies: no ? |
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| 18:34.17 | rabies | abrotman: sadly that actually installed a mesa library |
| 18:34.20 | Nyle | simonrvn: instead of concentrating on the similarities, they bicker and argue about the differences |
| 18:34.26 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 18:34.27 | rabies | abrotman: well, lets see if that did it |
| 18:34.29 | rabies | yeah |
| 18:34.30 | Nyle | its a waste of time imo |
| 18:34.35 | simonrvn | Nyle: i know :/. and those same people cause problems for others |
| 18:34.42 | rabies | abrotman: i've had X working for a long time |
| 18:35.36 | Nyle | hmm.. installing xorg now |
| 18:35.49 | Nyle | I'll setup a 32bit sid chroot |
| 18:35.49 | simonrvn | Nyle: in these times, the prophecies say that we should do exactly that, concentrate on rebuilding inter-societal bonds, helping each other, not blowing each other up</ot> |
| 18:36.00 | Nyle | heh.. that should satisfy my needs for updated software |
| 18:36.14 | Nyle | simonrvn: the end is near... |
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| 18:36.43 | simonrvn | Nyle: PM? |
| 18:36.47 | rabies | abrotman: no luck, same problem |
| 18:36.57 | Nyle | simonrvn: you don't have to ask man |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | rabies: paste your full x log and your x config |
| 18:37.17 | rabies | abrotman: want me to just send them to you? |
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| 18:37.29 | rabies | abrotman: or wait |
| 18:37.33 | rabies | abrotman: ill just message you |
| 18:37.43 | abrotman | no |
| 18:37.45 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 18:38.40 | Bushmills | simonrvn: idea is, blow some up, so the remaining resources are not spread too thinly, and only then start to help each other. |
| 18:38.48 | rabies | abrotman: i dont know how to paste the whole thing from the console |
| 18:38.55 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 18:38.55 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is, like, you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 18:38.56 | valdyn | !console paste |
| 18:38.59 | valdyn | ops |
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| 18:40.46 | rabies | abrotman: pastebin.ca/897630 |
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| 18:41.29 | abrotman | rabies: wait .. you're trying to use the vesa driver? |
| 18:41.54 | rabies | abrotman: pastebin.ca/897634 |
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| 18:42.17 | rabies | abrotman: i've tried both, fglrx causes the same issue, except that i get X for a while, but then when i try to close X in any form (including a reboot) i get a kernel panic |
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| 18:42.25 | abrotman | rabies: jesus .. who wrote your xorg.conf ? |
| 18:42.36 | rabies | abrotman: heh, autogenerated from the fglrxconf tool |
| 18:42.43 | abrotman | no wonder it hates you |
| 18:42.45 | abrotman | !drxx rabies |
| 18:42.45 | dpkg | rabies: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:42.46 | rabies | lol |
| 18:43.10 | rabies | kk |
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| 18:44.26 | rabies | abrotman: okay, lets try it |
| 18:44.53 | Nyle | I don't mind old etch software at all really |
| 18:44.55 | rabies | abrotman: the ati driver doesnt work, trying vesa |
| 18:45.02 | Nyle | its a nice change over from sid |
| 18:45.08 | Nyle | its like... stable.. wow |
| 18:45.11 | Nyle | heh. |
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| 18:46.09 | JordiGH | Nyle: Yeah. Sometimes I forget how stable etch is in comparison with all the fun things I have to keep fixing in testing and unstable. :-) |
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| 18:46.17 | cizzi | if I have multiple debian systems, do i need to install sendmail on all of them to send mail from all? right now its only installed on one |
| 18:46.18 | Nyle | heh |
| 18:46.39 | valdyn | cizzi: exim4 or any mta really should be installed in all |
| 18:46.44 | wols_ | you do not install sendmail at all |
| 18:46.54 | valdyn | cizzi: sendmail is probably the worst choice |
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| 18:47.12 | rabies | abrotman: no luck... |
| 18:47.24 | rabies | abrotman: same thing w/ vesa as with the last config file |
| 18:47.28 | abrotman | rabies: does the x log say something different ? |
| 18:47.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:47.29 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 18:47.37 | abrotman | rabies: you made a new xorg.conf right ? |
| 18:47.49 | indes | vote for me at popcon 08! ;-) |
| 18:48.06 | rabies | abrotman: autogenerated from dcofn |
| 18:48.10 | rabies | abrotman: debconf |
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| 18:48.47 | abrotman | rabies: a nd the same error ? |
| 18:48.52 | pif_ | hi, is there a package or video player that allows to pause live tv in debian? |
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| 18:49.10 | pif_ | live tv or a network stream |
| 18:49.12 | rabies | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/897643 |
| 18:49.16 | rabies | abrotman: no error, same problem |
| 18:49.21 | rabies | abrotman: the display just goes blank |
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| 18:50.01 | abrotman | rabies: do NOT specify a busID |
| 18:50.26 | jeffwheeler | does Debian automatically sift through /tmp deleting things, like on reboot or something? |
| 18:50.34 | tarzeau | jeffwheeler: yes |
| 18:50.37 | tarzeau | jeffwheeler: it can be turned off |
| 18:50.50 | jeffwheeler | tarzeau: I'm happy with it, but when does it do it? And what controls it? |
| 18:50.53 | rabies | abrotman: k, commented out |
| 18:50.54 | jetscreamer | there's a script that does that on init0 or 6 |
| 18:50.58 | tarzeau | jeffwheeler: at boot time |
| 18:51.09 | jetscreamer | i thought it was shutdown, but ok |
| 18:51.19 | jetscreamer | look in /etc/init.d |
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| 18:51.24 | jeffwheeler | oh, neat; thanks |
| 18:51.27 | cizzi | in what regards is exim better over sendmail? |
| 18:51.32 | maddler | is someone experiencing trouble swith debian repositories? |
| 18:51.34 | cizzi | i haven't had any problems with sendmail |
| 18:51.41 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean, it runs on bootup |
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| 18:51.50 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: err, mountall-bootclean.sh |
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| 18:52.07 | maddler | I'm unable to apt-get update from almost everywhere... |
| 18:52.15 | pif_ | hi, is there a package or video player that allows to pause live tv in debian? |
| 18:52.15 | abrotman | maddler: is your dns working ? |
| 18:52.26 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: oh, sweet; thanks |
| 18:52.27 | tarzeau | jeffwheeler: try grep tmp * in /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:52.38 | maddler | abrotman: yep... |
| 18:52.51 | maddler | I got strange errors... and connection resetting from servers... |
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| 18:53.27 | maddler | but if I am the only one experiencing problems... then it's something related to my own conenction ;) |
| 18:53.31 | Nyle | is there a cli radio player? |
| 18:53.40 | Nyle | I can't find one, like online radio streams |
| 18:53.44 | abrotman | or your ISP doing a proxy thing |
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| 18:54.06 | Nyle | i could use a stream url with mplayer I guess, but I wanted some cli one where it gets the soutcast list too |
| 18:54.13 | rabies | abrotman: now i got an X session, but as soon as i went to a virtual terminal, same error |
| 18:54.19 | rabies | abrotman: screen went blank |
| 18:54.20 | Supaplex | Nyle: see xmms2 |
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| 18:54.48 | abrotman | rabies: so stop switching back and forth |
| 18:54.50 | aredhel | pif_, no need to ask again so soon. It can be done with mencoder and mplayer. Set mencoder up to save the stream to disk, and play the stream off the disk with mplayer |
| 18:54.50 | maddler | I'll try giving a reboot to my router... |
| 18:54.52 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 18:54.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 18:55.19 | rabies | abrotman: thats not a solution... |
| 18:55.23 | pif_ | aredhel : didn't mean to repear, thought I had not joined yet |
| 18:55.31 | pif_ | er, repeat |
| 18:55.36 | rabies | abrotman: yes, fglrx is installed, i know how to do that one |
| 18:55.48 | abrotman | rabies: which card? |
| 18:56.20 | rabies | abrotman: R480 |
| 18:56.23 | rabies | abrotman: X850Xt |
| 18:56.51 | abrotman | rabies: try the radeon driver to get X working first |
| 18:57.01 | abrotman | instead of fglrx |
| 18:57.37 | Nyle | I'm trying to setup fglrx right now |
| 18:57.41 | Nyle | its a peice of cake |
| 18:57.42 | rabies | abrotman: you mean ati? |
| 18:57.50 | rabies | Nyle: yes, yes it is |
| 18:57.55 | aredhel | pif_, also look at http://debian-multimedia.org/ for mythtv |
| 18:57.55 | rabies | Nyle: except when the kernel chokes on it |
| 18:58.06 | Nyle | rabies: I'm on etch, I'm installing the latest driver from ati.amd.com |
| 18:58.16 | Nyle | thats a piece of cake too, you just do it with module-assistant |
| 18:58.23 | pif_ | aredhel : the mencoder/mplayer combination seems good, thx |
| 18:58.28 | Nyle | the debian way, but with the ati way too |
| 18:59.00 | Nyle | what is this bullshit I hear, DELL!?, invented some cross kernel compilable module thingy or something |
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| 18:59.12 | abrotman | rabies: radeon |
| 18:59.15 | abrotman | ati .. whichever |
| 18:59.20 | Nyle | some dude was inhere asking about it, I'm wondering, dell did something with linux besides give out ubuntu |
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| 18:59.51 | rabies | abrotman: i dont think my card is supported by it |
| 18:59.53 | rabies | abrotman: too new |
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| 19:00.26 | abrotman | rabies: it's got 2d support |
| 19:00.38 | rabies | abrotman: not for my card |
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| 19:01.13 | abrotman | rabies: i *just* looked at the man radeon on lenny |
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| 19:01.45 | rabies_ | abrotman: well |
| 19:01.50 | rabies_ | abrotman: im in X with the radeon driver |
| 19:01.54 | abrotman | see! |
| 19:02.13 | rabies_ | abrotman: but it'll probably crash in the same way it always has |
| 19:02.15 | Nyle | radeon don't work for me |
| 19:02.22 | Nyle | I need vesa or fglrx or nothing else |
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| 19:02.37 | abrotman | guess you'll just have to wait and see |
| 19:02.44 | rabies_ | im really tired of rebooting |
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| 19:02.48 | Nyle | also.. how do I increase the size of my linux console |
| 19:02.50 | rabies_ | so i think ill do it later |
| 19:02.57 | Nyle | rabies: why are you rebooting? |
| 19:03.04 | rabies_ | Nyle: display keeps on crashing |
| 19:03.05 | tarzeau | Nyle: textmode or framebuffer? |
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| 19:03.20 | Nyle | tarzeau: umm... i'd like framebuffer.. but do tell both |
| 19:03.25 | rabies_ | Nyle: when i either start X using vesa or change out of X when using fglrx/radeon |
| 19:03.33 | tarzeau | Nyle: svgatextmode or fbset |
| 19:03.41 | rabies_ | Nyle: occasionally i get a kernel panic |
| 19:03.43 | Nyle | fbset eh |
| 19:03.49 | Nyle | rabies_: distro? |
| 19:03.54 | rabies_ | Nyle: testing |
| 19:03.56 | Nyle | er.. release? |
| 19:04.28 | rabies_ | Nyle: testing? |
| 19:04.36 | rabies_ | !testing |
| 19:04.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
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| 19:06.11 | vinc456` | is there a package similar to the daemon tools program found in windows that lets you mount iso images on a virtual drive? |
| 19:06.17 | rabies_ | abrotman: well, thx for trying at least |
| 19:06.22 | ronny1 | what package system does debian use |
| 19:06.24 | rabies_ | !tell vinc456` about mount loopback |
| 19:06.28 | abrotman | rabies_: it works darn it |
| 19:06.36 | rabies_ | !tell vinc456` about loopback |
| 19:06.39 | rabies_ | abrotman: not reallyu |
| 19:06.40 | vinc456` | thanks |
| 19:06.44 | abrotman | rabies_: sure it does |
| 19:06.48 | abrotman | rabies_: what doesn't work ? |
| 19:06.53 | rabies_ | vinc456`: grr, do mount -o loop |
| 19:07.00 | rabies_ | abrotman: the display crashes!!!!! |
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| 19:07.07 | rabies_ | abrotman: that doesnt work! |
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| 19:07.20 | abrotman | rabies_: with radeon also ? |
| 19:07.25 | rabies_ | abrotman: let me check |
| 19:07.31 | abrotman | so it does work ? |
| 19:07.48 | rabies_ | guess it works w/ radeon |
| 19:07.53 | abrotman | i guess you should technically use "ati" but it'll just load "radeon" anyways |
| 19:07.57 | rabies_ | heck, thats a start |
| 19:08.05 | odysseas | !nvidia |
| 19:08.05 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 19:08.22 | Nyle | tarzeau: so I need to use fbset and I could use --all (which only affects the tty's right?) and I need to specify -geometry etc. etc. I've skimmed the manpage but I am unsure of exactly which options to specify |
| 19:08.31 | rabies_ | abrotman: okay, well this is good enough |
| 19:08.33 | rabies_ | abrotman: thx |
| 19:08.35 | abrotman | rabies_: okay |
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| 19:08.46 | paulswm | :singlishsmite abrotman |
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| 19:08.59 | paulswm | oh, wrong chan |
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| 19:09.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:09.21 | paulswm | !singlishsmite abrotman |
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| 19:09.21 | dpkg | abrotman: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
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| 19:10.41 | paulswm | question: does anyone use compiz as a window manager? I'm considering changing from metacity to compiz in lenny, wondering if anyone has an opinion on compiz under gnome |
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| 19:12.18 | amphi | paulswm: compiz works, and behaves reasonably with gnome, I believe |
| 19:12.36 | paulswm | amphi: thx |
| 19:12.37 | odysseas | paulswm: compiz is kinda unstable still, but you can try and judge for yourself |
| 19:12.56 | FrozenSpoon | I'm trying to upgrade my woody system. I think I have to do an apt-get update before the upgrade-dist right? When I do an apt-get update I get the error: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing wzdftpd (NewVersion1). What is going wrong? |
| 19:13.08 | amphi | odysseas: hasn't crashed for ages here |
| 19:13.31 | abrotman | !tell FrozenSpoon about mmap |
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| 19:14.11 | Nyle | woody |
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| 19:14.40 | Nyle | tarzeau: ping |
| 19:14.47 | paulswm | thx odysseas, that's what I thought I'd do. I just wanted it to get rid of the black boxes around screenlets objects |
| 19:15.21 | FrozenSpoon | does the cache-limit work on woody? It throws an error when I put that into the config file |
| 19:16.55 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: show us |
| 19:17.21 | FrozenSpoon | E: Type 'APT::Cache-Limit' is not known in on line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:17.37 | dudeman | hehe |
| 19:17.38 | twiggz | i use beryl from debian.beryl-project.org on etch with no problems.. |
| 19:17.52 | hoxu | FrozenSpoon, that does not go in sources.list, try apt.conf |
| 19:18.21 | FrozenSpoon | oh oh... I see |
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| 19:19.49 | FrozenSpoon | okay yes, that did get rid of the error, thanks |
| 19:19.59 | vinc456` | do sftp and ssh share a same port? |
| 19:20.51 | hoxu | vinc456`, sftp is a subsystem of ssh |
| 19:20.55 | kkmaslowski | yes |
| 19:20.59 | hoxu | vinc456`, so yes, it works over ssh |
| 19:21.08 | paulswm | vinc456`: no they don't - standard is 22 for ssh and 115 for sftp |
| 19:21.40 | hoxu | vinc456`, paulswm: I'm assuming by sftp you mean the ssh subsystem, not simple ftp crud or whatever (that no one uses) |
| 19:21.54 | amphi | paulswm: nvidia? |
| 19:22.08 | paulswm | hoxu: "egrep 'ssh|sftp' /etc/services |
| 19:22.15 | hoxu | paulswm, your point? |
| 19:22.18 | vinc456` | yep, i mean the subsystem |
| 19:22.43 | paulswm | hoxu: my point is simple, ssh and sftp don't share the same port |
| 19:22.47 | hoxu | paulswm, the thing is, that sftp listed there refers to "simple file transfer protocol" (RFC 913), and no one uses that |
| 19:22.47 | jelly-home | paulswm: I've never seen sftp being used exclusively and running on that port |
| 19:23.08 | paulswm | hoxu: crap you're right, sorry, I forgot |
| 19:23.12 | hoxu | jelly-home, that sftp is completely different animal :) |
| 19:23.19 | hoxu | (confusing, isn't it?) |
| 19:23.31 | jelly-home | eh, nothing unusual |
| 19:23.58 | paulswm | amphi: Yes, nvidia, built the non-free nvidia kernel |
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| 19:24.49 | vinc456` | that sftpd would be "the simple ftp crud or whatever that nobody uses" |
| 19:24.53 | amphi | paulswm: it may be known evil blob issue - ask in #compiz-fusion on freenode, perhaps |
| 19:25.02 | FrozenSpoon | I don't have nearly enough free space on my 1GB drive to do a dist-upgrade. Can anyone recommend any guides to copy my install to a larger disk so I can do the upgrade? |
| 19:25.12 | jelly-home | amphi: where freenode be this network :-) |
| 19:25.23 | hoxu | vinc456`, what? :P |
| 19:25.37 | amphi | jelly-home: ah, yes ;) |
| 19:25.41 | vinc456` | i assume that sftpd would be "the simple ftp crud or whatever that nobody uses"? |
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| 19:25.59 | kkmaslowski | FrozenSpoon create one more partition and mount it as /var/cache |
| 19:26.14 | vinc456` | the output from the "egrep 'ssh|sftp' /etc/services" |
| 19:26.33 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: you can uninstall bits before the dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:26.39 | hoxu | vinc456`, oh yes, "sftp" listed there is that thing, you had me confused with the 'd' ;) |
| 19:26.51 | paulswm | amphi: no, I meant that metacity displays screenlets inside black rectangles, compiz is supposed not to do that |
| 19:27.17 | paulswm | I'll just try it out and see |
| 19:28.07 | amphi | paulswm: mayhap - I wot not of screenlets |
| 19:28.46 | paulswm | amphi: I also wotted not until yesterday :) |
| 19:28.48 | FrozenSpoon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:29.30 | hoxu | FrozenSpoon, you could use debian-goodies / dpigs to find big packages you don't need, or perhaps move /usr to another partition? |
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| 19:30.15 | emss | ,nvidia |
| 19:30.16 | FrozenSpoon | what's the best way to "move" a directory like /usr or /var? I know I can't just do cp because it will mess with links and such |
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| 19:30.40 | pleed | Using ipsec, does every host need a CA and sign the other certificates or is ONE CA on one host distributing signed certs ok? |
| 19:30.42 | sco50000 | FrozenSpoon: why would you ever want to move /usr or /var? |
| 19:31.21 | sco50000 | FrozenSpoon: that would mess with a lot more than just links |
| 19:31.29 | FrozenSpoon | ? that was what was suggested -- to move /usr or /var to another parition to free up space |
| 19:31.39 | JordiGH | Ah, that's quite different. |
| 19:31.40 | sco50000 | ohhh |
| 19:31.51 | sco50000 | that makes a lot more sense |
| 19:31.52 | JordiGH | FrozenSpoon: I like gparted. It'll let you do stuff like that. |
| 19:32.29 | hoxu | FrozenSpoon, you can use tar to copy a partition... let me check if dpkg remembers the flags :P |
| 19:32.47 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: you only have one partition now ? |
| 19:32.58 | hoxu | !tar partition copy |
| 19:32.58 | dpkg | well, tar partition copy is to copy contents of a partition, use something like tar -cpv --one-file-system . |(cd /target/path; tar x) |
| 19:33.07 | JordiGH | FrozenSpoon: But basically, the idea is you have to create another ext3 partition, copy the data to the new partition (probably would want to do this with dd, low-level copy), and then in your /etc/fstab, tell it to mount that partition in /usr (or /var, if you moved /var to another partition). |
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| 19:33.12 | hoxu | FrozenSpoon, you might want to check those flags, not sure if that's all what's needed |
| 19:33.52 | JordiGH | FrozenSpoon: Or use tar instead of dd. I think gparted uses dd internally. |
| 19:34.19 | kuber | my new deb rig: http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0969cp4.jpg |
| 19:34.53 | JordiGH | kuber: aptitude install blackcat? |
| 19:35.02 | kuber | hehe |
| 19:35.54 | JordiGH | kuber: If you're gonna be desktop pimping, you've gotta spice up your desktop a little. :-) |
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| 19:36.18 | FrozenSpoon | Since the entire drive is only 1.2GB, it may be easier for me to copy the entire / to a new (larger) drive. I can do that tar command on /, but how do I copy the bootloader over to the new disk? |
| 19:36.44 | kuber | true |
| 19:36.45 | JordiGH | FrozenSpoon: grub-install |
| 19:37.11 | FrozenSpoon | system is using lilo though |
| 19:37.22 | kuber | welcome to 2001 |
| 19:37.37 | JordiGH | FrozenSpoon: Any reason not to move over to grub? |
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| 19:37.55 | FrozenSpoon | no, I guess that's what woody came with out of the box |
| 19:37.56 | JordiGH | lenny has grub2. I wonder if it will be default when lenny releases. |
| 19:38.02 | JordiGH | woody! |
| 19:38.33 | paulswm | I haven't used lilo for years, grub is *so* much better |
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| 19:39.22 | Bushmills | depending on how often you boot, benefits may be limited :) |
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| 19:39.58 | sier | hi :) |
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| 19:40.11 | simonrvn | i may backport grub2 for my etch ppc box, as quick has limitations, and hopefully grub2 gets around the OF problems |
| 19:40.14 | Supaplex | deh! |
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| 19:40.18 | simonrvn | er, quik even |
| 19:40.27 | simonrvn | @info quik |
| 19:40.30 | hoxu | hello sier, how would you like your RSTs today? |
| 19:40.34 | Supaplex | music is really odd/shoddy with only a subwoofer on :P |
| 19:40.35 | debian__ | Is the name of trolltechs creation q10 or qt or cutie? |
| 19:40.46 | tom | how can i prevent that every user can log into /var/log or the console using syslog? |
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| 19:41.02 | JordiGH | kuber: At the very least, http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/desktop.png |
| 19:41.11 | ravenbird | quik: (Bootloader for PowerMac or CHRP systems), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 19:41.16 | paulswm | Bushmills: the really good thing is being able to use the grub shell from a floppy if your system has for some reason gone down the drain |
| 19:41.17 | JordiGH | kuber: Er, give it ten more seconds. |
| 19:41.27 | sier | hoxu, ??> |
| 19:41.32 | RBRIDDICK | hi! can somebody tell me, why my USB keyboard doesnt show up in /dev/input (my USB mouse does)... |
| 19:41.48 | hoxu | sier, pardon the joking on comcast, what's your problem? |
| 19:41.59 | Bushmills | paulswm: put a single floppy linux on floppy, and you can chroot to you whole *system* |
| 19:42.02 | JordiGH | sier? |
| 19:42.06 | simonrvn | Supaplex: hehe no kidding |
| 19:42.25 | sier | Nothing.. Im just a new member. And yes, comcast is not the best isp, but its all I have :) |
| 19:42.34 | JordiGH | sier: Never mind. I thought I knew who you might be. |
| 19:42.37 | S4nD3r | Which software to use in lenny, to watch TV through internet ?? |
| 19:42.37 | simonrvn | debian__: qt |
| 19:42.38 | Supaplex | there we go baby! |
| 19:42.48 | sier | Im mr sier |
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| 19:43.04 | paulswm | Bushmills: I don't think it's work arguing the point, I've found grub shell from floppy useful, as I also find SysRescueCD useful |
| 19:43.04 | simonrvn | Supaplex: *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* |
| 19:43.06 | Supaplex | I really need some banana plugs :P it's so redneck just bare wire there |
| 19:44.10 | paulswm | Well I giuess I'll go ahead and give compiz a try, thanks for your input |
| 19:44.14 | synx | RBRIDDICK: Your kernel probably doesn't have a needed component enabled for USB keyboards. |
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| 19:44.37 | RBRIDDICK | synx: hmm... but the keyboard works fine... |
| 19:44.43 | kuber | nice niec |
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| 19:45.30 | pothibo | where's the NFS service log file located ? |
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| 19:45.53 | simonrvn | /var/log/ |
| 19:46.42 | sier | any recommendation before my first debian install? |
| 19:47.12 | hoxu | sier, what are you installing it on? desktop or laptop? |
| 19:47.15 | simonrvn | read the install guide |
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| 19:47.21 | sier | desktop |
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| 19:47.31 | twiggz | if you dont know how to read, learn. |
| 19:47.37 | hoxu | sier, should go smooth then |
| 19:48.08 | sier | hopefully :P |
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| 19:49.17 | RBRIDDICK | synx: hmm... i just found something: "Event interface" is an option in the kernel config... :-) thx... bye |
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| 20:00.30 | debian__ | s/hello/hey |
| 20:01.08 | pothibo | I don't know what the hell is going on with my server... but my NFS share gets unmounted automatically every 20 minutes or so ( my /etc/exports is correct ) |
| 20:02.03 | debian__ | how do I stop rtorrent? |
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| 20:02.33 | simonrvn | kill it |
| 20:02.52 | xingu | kill them all |
| 20:02.54 | xingu | do it now |
| 20:03.11 | simonrvn | pothibo: autofs ? sounds like an autofs thing |
| 20:03.16 | debian__ | Ist it an hotkey?? |
| 20:03.26 | pothibo | not suppose to |
| 20:03.40 | pothibo | everything was working fine until I removed kolab from my server |
| 20:03.45 | pothibo | now it always shuts down |
| 20:03.55 | simonrvn | debian__: "hotkey" fopr what? |
| 20:04.02 | pothibo | I need to use /etc/init.d/nfs restart on my client so it mounts it back up |
| 20:04.03 | debian__ | simonrvn: Stop rtorrent |
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| 20:04.46 | simonrvn | debian__: there's no "hotkey" for that, just kill it |
| 20:05.06 | debian__ | simonrvn: It is some key I can use to kill it. |
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| 20:05.25 | xingu | http://www.x-plane.com/mars.html waaaaay too much free time... |
| 20:05.32 | simonrvn | pothibo: i don't know kolab that well, can't help. i'd check everything connected to that, even stuff like cron tabs |
| 20:05.51 | simonrvn | debian__: i know what it is.... just kill it; man kill |
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| 20:06.19 | simonrvn | er crontabs |
| 20:06.23 | juice` | pure-ftpd doesnt allow me to change chmod, any idea why? i can delete the file, but not change it's chmod, it says "Operation not permitted" on "SITE chmod 664 bla2" command, when bla2 file is "-rwxrwxr-- www-data www-data" and i'm authorized through mysql as being www-data group (and some other user). |
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| 20:06.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:06.44 | debian__ | simonrvn: No, it is a proper command! |
| 20:06.59 | juice` | using debian testing of course |
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| 20:07.09 | simonrvn | allowing site commands would help |
| 20:07.09 | simonrvn | SITE even |
| 20:07.32 | juice` | they work when the owner of the file = my user |
| 20:07.40 | simonrvn | debian__: yes kill is a proper command |
| 20:07.44 | juice` | so it is allowed |
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| 20:08.00 | simonrvn | depends on the file state |
| 20:08.02 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 20:08.02 | juice` | it just doesn't work when my group is group of the file, and i dont know why. |
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| 20:08.07 | debian__ | simonrvn: But it is an hotkey, if I kill I get an lock error |
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| 20:08.32 | juice` | so, to sum up - SITE is compiled in :) |
| 20:08.44 | simonrvn | debian__: so read its manual page |
| 20:09.01 | debian__ | I have too since you cant answer... |
| 20:09.02 | ikk1kk1 | Good day. I have a question with regards to debian and netcat; I found the binary netcat utility that shipped with etch to support a '-c' switch (very handy!). The version of netcat on Redhat, which I use elsewhere, sported no such thing. Found out that it was a difference between GNU/original/IPv6 versions of netcat. However, both source packages from debian also didn't support it. Does anybody know whether this '-c' netcat-switch is binary debian speci |
| 20:09.29 | simonrvn | juice`: because someone/something else owns it; . the dir. perms/ownership matters too |
| 20:09.35 | simonrvn | "to" |
| 20:09.47 | simonrvn | debian__: you should be doing that *FIRST*, not last |
| 20:09.51 | onur | Hi. My my.cnf broken for my mysql server. How can i create default my.cnf. I reinstall mysql-server-5.0 package, it doesn't worked |
| 20:09.59 | juice` | simonrvn: but i'm part of www-data group, and www-data group owns it too |
| 20:10.04 | simonrvn | instead of wasting people's time |
| 20:10.14 | juice` | group member can't delete files if it's 770 ? |
| 20:10.15 | debian__ | simonrvn: Why?¨Isnt that the point of this? ask question instead of reading? |
| 20:10.33 | juice` | i think it can in linux fs, why not on ftp |
| 20:10.49 | simonrvn | juice`: on another note, you should make another group that www-data and you share access to, being part of that group yourself is Not A Good Idea |
| 20:11.23 | juice` | but i have so many users |
| 20:11.28 | simonrvn | debian__: give a man a fish, feed him for a day, give a man a fishing rod, he feeds himself the rest of his life |
| 20:11.41 | juice` | i wan't to give the ability to delete files with FTPD that they created through php |
| 20:11.56 | simonrvn | debian__: and if you don't understand, then think about it |
| 20:12.04 | \amethyst | juice`: deleting a file requires write access to the file's directory, not the file itself |
| 20:12.08 | debian__ | simonrvn: #debian is my fishing pound, I'm fishing for answers |
| 20:12.14 | simonrvn | juice`: ftp is not going to give you extra powers |
| 20:12.18 | \amethyst | juice`: because it's the directory that's being changed when you remove a link |
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| 20:12.27 | juice` | \amethyst: yes, www-data has write acess, so this is probably why it works |
| 20:12.37 | simonrvn | debian__: then please excuse yourself, we don't hand people answers on silver plates |
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| 20:12.46 | juice` | ok, this explains some, but what can i do to make it work for SITE CHMOD ? |
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| 20:13.02 | bert_ | hi, can someone tell me how to merge splitted rar archives on my linux system ? |
| 20:13.17 | \amethyst | juice`: what are the ownership and permissions on the directory? |
| 20:13.26 | debian__ | simonrvn: The next time I ask, the way to stop rtorrent is ^q, would you remember it? |
| 20:13.50 | juice` | \amethyst: drwxrwx--- someuser www-data |
| 20:14.06 | juice` | the file that is in is www-data.www-data 770 |
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| 20:14.20 | juice` | i wan't to configure the ftpd to be able to change CHMOD of this file |
| 20:14.35 | juice` | when the owner is NOT www-data. but the group is |
| 20:14.35 | simonrvn | "want" |
| 20:14.44 | juice` | yes want of course |
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| 20:15.41 | simonrvn | if you're that someuser it would work.. i'd look into acls |
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| 20:16.29 | Monsterkiller2k | Moin hat einer ne config von apache ? |
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| 20:16.34 | vinc456` | my system is alive, it's e-mailing me about dangling symlinks |
| 20:16.41 | vinc456` | apparently i'm supposed to file a bug report |
| 20:16.42 | juice` | this doesn't work when i'm someuser |
| 20:16.46 | juice` | i dont know why |
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| 20:17.11 | vinc456` | where can i learn more about filing a bug? |
| 20:17.18 | vinc456` | erm reporting a bug |
| 20:17.28 | Malf | !bug |
| 20:17.29 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 20:17.42 | Malf | hmm |
| 20:17.52 | simonrvn | !reportbug |
| 20:17.52 | dpkg | reportbug is probably used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 20:17.55 | Malf | yeah |
| 20:18.00 | Malf | that'd be a bit better |
| 20:18.10 | simonrvn | damn lag |
| 20:18.19 | Malf | damn stupidity |
| 20:18.33 | simonrvn | not stupid |
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| 20:18.57 | juice` | simonrvn: so do you have any ideas about my problem? |
| 20:19.12 | debian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.09 | simonrvn | ACLs is your best bet.... i'd get around it by using sudo, but that's not a good solution for a multi-user setup |
| 20:20.48 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 20:22.45 | xaka | how i can enable framebuffer in ETCH and change resolution to 1024x768 (for example)? |
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| 20:24.15 | vinc456` | i don't know about the framebuffer but i added "xrandr --size 1024x864" to my xsession and it seems to work |
| 20:24.22 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:24.49 | debian__ | abrotman: Is every app written in java slow? |
| 20:25.17 | abrotman | debian__: depends on the app and the JRE/JDK |
| 20:25.27 | alturiak | and the coder :-) |
| 20:25.39 | abrotman | alturiak: i think that was implied by "the app" |
| 20:25.43 | debian__ | Azerus is slow... It is java based. |
| 20:25.48 | xaka | i have no X on my system (( only console |
| 20:25.59 | debian__ | xaka: Too bad... |
| 20:26.10 | abrotman | debian__: i don't use it |
| 20:26.19 | abrotman | debian__: i have no idea if it's suppose to be fast or slow or worthless |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | xaka: why no X ? |
| 20:26.35 | techouse | if i use apt-get install torrentflux, how do i tell it which password to use? |
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| 20:26.45 | abrotman | which password for what ? |
| 20:27.13 | debian__ | abrotman: You dont bittorrent? |
| 20:27.28 | abrotman | debian__: sure .. linux ISOs ... |
| 20:27.30 | vinc456` | heh azureus is pretty sluggish |
| 20:27.43 | abrotman | debian__: transmission works well enough for that |
| 20:27.46 | abrotman | (gnome app) |
| 20:27.50 | debian__ | abrotman: And the bittorrent client you use isnt written in java? |
| 20:27.51 | abrotman | as does bittorndao |
| 20:28.04 | abrotman | debian__: i think i only have one java app on my entire system |
| 20:28.20 | debian__ | witch is? |
| 20:28.39 | abrotman | dguitar .. which i've been told can be replaced by tuxguitar |
| 20:28.50 | simonrvn | re |
| 20:29.16 | debian__ | Then I'll install tuxguitar |
| 20:29.21 | techouse | abrotman: mysql password |
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| 20:30.09 | abrotman | techouse: it should ask you .. i don't use torrentflux or mysql .. but i'd imagine that torrentflux has a config file |
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| 20:30.24 | abrotman | debian__: tuxguitar has nothing to do with bittorrent |
| 20:30.25 | RedWeebo | how do I configure pure-ftpd to listen on another port in debian? |
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| 20:30.32 | techouse | a config file with apt-get? |
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| 20:30.46 | RedWeebo | is there some man page explain how to configure pure-ftpd on debian? |
| 20:30.58 | Malf | RedWeebo it's in the config file for pure ftpd but I don't remember the setting off hand |
| 20:30.59 | vinc456` | RedWeebo: there's probably a config file |
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| 20:31.15 | debian__ | I want to see what diffrent people use for debian |
| 20:31.20 | RedWeebo | Malf, vinc456`: yes, but it's chopped up in different pieces |
| 20:31.21 | Monsterkiller2k | Can give to me one of you sometimes please apache.conf? because I have extinguished mine |
| 20:31.29 | RedWeebo | I don't know how to call the different files for the different options |
| 20:31.43 | vinc456` | !tell debian__ about popcon |
| 20:32.06 | abrotman | Monsterkiller2k: you can get it from the package |
| 20:32.23 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd-common IIRC |
| 20:32.58 | Monsterkiller2k | I have veruscht mine apache anew to instalieren, however, thereby I have not retrieved mine apache.conf |
| 20:33.05 | Malf | debian__: What different people use for what in debian? For bittorrent? |
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| 20:33.15 | abrotman | !No |
| 20:33.15 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | !.no |
| 20:33.19 | dpkg | .no is, like, Norway |
| 20:33.19 | debian__ | No, just generak computer useage |
| 20:33.22 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:33.24 | jelly-ho | !de |
| 20:33.24 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 20:33.32 | debian__ | I'm from norway. |
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| 20:33.48 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 20:33.54 | simonrvn | i think we have a spambot |
| 20:34.05 | simonrvn | AGainsT |
| 20:34.25 | abrotman | you think? |
| 20:34.27 | jelly-ho | AGainsT what? |
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| 20:34.33 | abrotman | oh stupid modes |
| 20:34.35 | Supaplex | debian__: I use debian for debian. |
| 20:34.53 | RedWeebo | how in fucks sake is debian able to fuck up a configuration file like that |
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| 20:34.55 | simonrvn | yeh, it's in #redhat and here, and did the usual join then change nick |
| 20:34.56 | debian__ | Supaplex: So you dont use it? |
| 20:34.59 | synx | techouse: Edit the configuration file? Should be in /etc somewhere |
| 20:35.18 | simonrvn | RedWeebo: debian didn't do it |
| 20:35.23 | Monsterkiller2k | Can give to me one of you then apache.conf? please |
| 20:35.29 | Supaplex | debian__: but I do |
| 20:35.32 | simonrvn | RedWeebo: pure-ftpd is confgured that way |
| 20:35.34 | Supaplex | !tell Monsterkiller2k -about confmiss |
| 20:35.39 | simonrvn | !tell Monsterkiller2k -about confmiss |
| 20:35.42 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 20:35.52 | Supaplex | gmta :) |
| 20:36.01 | RedWeebo | simonrvn: no way, on other distros I just got /etc/pure-ftpd.conf and that's it |
| 20:36.03 | abrotman | well .. that failed |
| 20:36.06 | simonrvn | Monsterkiller2k: that would be a "no" |
| 20:36.06 | RedWeebo | it's the same in the source package |
| 20:36.11 | abrotman | doh .. wrong way |
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| 20:36.25 | simonrvn | RedWeebo: that's a recent addition that the pure-ftpd upstream did |
| 20:36.27 | yang | I have some nasty issues with lib/modules/2.6.22-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/usbvideo/quickcam_messenger.ko it wont show my camera - http://openpaste.org/en/5047/ |
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| 20:36.32 | Malf | RedWeebo: I was pretty sure that's what I got on debian too. Maybe I'm remembering a previous install on another system somewhere |
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| 20:36.35 | Supaplex | abrotman: feeling imparied today? |
| 20:36.36 | pleed | where can i read how to setup IPSEC on my boxes with troubleshooting and so on? |
| 20:36.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 20:36.45 | synx | I don't even see a package called torrentflux... |
| 20:36.49 | simonrvn | debian just sticks with the multi-file conf; though it's possible to use a monolithic conf |
| 20:36.58 | abrotman | Supaplex: i couldn't remember the mode to allow non-nickserved to msg me :) |
| 20:37.09 | simonrvn | abrotman: you have ops? yay :) |
| 20:37.20 | abrotman | didn't we go over this? |
| 20:37.25 | Supaplex | abrotman: +6 isn't it? |
| 20:37.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 20:37.40 | abrotman | Supaplex: yeah .. or /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 20:37.40 | simonrvn | i didn't know until now |
| 20:37.40 | Supaplex | maybe +e |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | no .. +e is registered |
| 20:37.59 | RedWeebo | Malf, simonrvn: 100% it's not from upstream |
| 20:38.02 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 20:38.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh .. that was beardy .. sorry |
| 20:38.15 | hell-jack | what can you say abouıt firefox 3.0? |
| 20:38.19 | simonrvn | RedWeebo: read the manuals and readmes |
| 20:38.19 | abrotman | Supaplex: or authed with nickserv |
| 20:38.27 | abrotman | hell-jack: it's not in debian .. see irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 20:38.38 | simonrvn | then come back and argue with me if you like |
| 20:39.28 | Monsterkiller2k | I have tried it with the options, however, it has not functioned what should I do then now? can none send to me datei or thus? |
| 20:39.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: congrats |
| 20:39.47 | RedWeebo | simonrvn: yeah did than about a 100 times, there's no document explaining what debian's package does |
| 20:39.48 | abrotman | simonrvn: merci! |
| 20:40.12 | abrotman | Monsterkiller2k: which commands did you try? and did you move the current conf file out of the way first? |
| 20:40.16 | simonrvn | you're not reading you're looking for what you want. |
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| 20:40.48 | Supaplex | RedWeebo: if you apt-get source that, the debian changes are in the .diff.gz |
| 20:41.08 | Monsterkiller2k | I have veruscht apt-get - reinstall instal apache2 |
| 20:41.14 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:42.14 | Supaplex | never! |
| 20:42.31 | vinc456` | what's the point of spambots on irc? |
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| 20:42.43 | abrotman | vinc456`: what's the point of email spam ? |
| 20:42.49 | jelly-ho | profit! |
| 20:43.07 | Monsterkiller2k | Can you give me then please apche.conf, do send? |
| 20:43.11 | vinc456` | there's no profit in spambots here afaik |
| 20:43.12 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 20:43.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 20:43.20 | abrotman | vinc456`: how do you know? do you run one? |
| 20:43.23 | jelly-ho | vinc456`: you're thinking small. |
| 20:43.24 | Supaplex | Monsterkiller2k: uhm, no - because you can get it yourself. |
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| 20:44.15 | Supaplex | Monsterkiller2k: carefully read what dpkg so kindly said, twice now, about confmiss. |
| 20:44.18 | vinc456` | nope, i don't confess to know anything about spambots |
| 20:44.30 | simonrvn | or dpkg -x the.deb somedir/ and fetch the conf from the contents |
| 20:44.34 | Supaplex | vinc456`: you know how to spell it ;) |
| 20:45.18 | Groundy | is there a way when using pppd with the persist option to make it re-use the old ppp device instead of closing it and creating a new one each line the pty slave restarts? |
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| 20:45.26 | debian__ | !ping |
| 20:45.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:45.33 | bolt | Is there some kind of network manager that can handle both Wireless and VPN in one package? Or a good one for each? Wireless and VPN are two things I generally just like to work on their own, so I'd like a nice GUI tool to take care of those |
| 20:45.37 | Monsterkiller2k | Dpkg: need an action option use you dpkg - help and the following r help for the installation and Deinst. of parcels [*]; use "dselect" or "aptitude" and the following r user-friendly parcel management; use dpkg-Dhelp and the following r a list of Debug-Flags from dpkg; use dpkg - force-help and the following r a list of options for forcing; are of use dpkg-deb - help and the following r help for manipulating of *.deb files; a |
| 20:45.37 | dpkg | Monsterkiller2k: i'm not going to learn illegal characters |
| 20:45.43 | simonrvn | Groundy: afaik no |
| 20:46.05 | simonrvn | Monsterkiller2k: *read carefully* |
| 20:46.10 | jelly-ho | !botsnack |
| 20:46.10 | dpkg | jelly-ho: aw, gee |
| 20:46.19 | Mathiazz | hi, i have just installes OPENMPI, it work with gfortran, i would like it works with ifort, how could i change it? |
| 20:46.26 | Supaplex | bolt: sure, how much do you want to pay them? ;) |
| 20:46.37 | Groundy | simonrvn: pity it's very annoying to have the interface counters reset when the pty restarts |
| 20:46.54 | Supaplex | Groundy: does it break anything? |
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| 20:47.12 | simonrvn | Groundy: vnstat can keep track of bandwidth use |
| 20:47.22 | simonrvn | i use it for my ppp |
| 20:47.22 | Groundy | Supaplex: I'm trying to graph eth0 - ppp0 |
| 20:47.34 | bolt | Supaplex: i know there are tools that do this already. guess i'll just try a few if nobody has any suggestions |
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| 20:47.57 | simonrvn | i use it for eth* too; you can also do something with mrtg+rrdtool too |
| 20:47.58 | Groundy | (actually I'm interested in graphing eth0.sans.pppoe.ether.packets |
| 20:48.07 | Supaplex | bolt: there could be. the 'employee' was part of that response I just didn't resist :) |
| 20:48.12 | Bushmills | Groundy: add a rule to iptables, doing nothing than traffic amount logging. read that rule/those roles once every so often. |
| 20:48.24 | Groundy | simonrvn: and then when the pty restarts ppp0 goes to 0, and creates a 2 mb 'spike' in eth0 |
| 20:48.30 | simonrvn | that's another idea :) |
| 20:48.44 | bolt | Supaplex: employee? |
| 20:48.44 | Bushmills | Groundy: stick into into rrdtool or such, and have some nice graphs plotted from it. |
| 20:48.58 | Groundy | already graphing via mrtg |
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| 20:49.10 | Groundy | check out http://www.darkskies.za.net/mrtg/darkflame_eth0.html |
| 20:49.21 | Bushmills | Groundy: make a plugin which depends and uses such an iptables rule |
| 20:49.26 | Supaplex | bolt: wanted: network manager. duties: vpn+wireless |
| 20:49.36 | Monsterkiller2k | Why cannot give me then simply apache.conf or inhalt? please |
| 20:49.40 | Supaplex | apply w/in ;) |
| 20:49.44 | Bushmills | Groundy: one of the munin plugins uses that for net traffic logging |
| 20:49.48 | bolt | Supaplex: ah. right. |
| 20:49.54 | Groundy | those spikes are not eth0 traffic, but are -ppp0 traffic |
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| 20:50.10 | simonrvn | Monsterkiller2k: how about you do what we recommended instead of making an ass of yourself? |
| 20:50.15 | Groundy | eth0 is actually graphing eth0-ppp0 |
| 20:50.19 | Supaplex | Monsterkiller2k: it's non negiotable |
| 20:50.30 | Groundy | which doesn't take into account the pppoe packet overhead, |
| 20:50.50 | Supaplex | Monsterkiller2k: why can't you follow <confmiss>? |
| 20:51.00 | Monsterkiller2k | Why is it not negiotable? |
| 20:51.10 | simonrvn | if you want handholding go install windows |
| 20:51.28 | sco50000 | Monsterkiller2k: acting like an idiot isn't going to make people want to help you |
| 20:51.28 | Supaplex | Monsterkiller2k: why is the sky blue? |
| 20:51.35 | Groundy | I guess I need to graph eth0.sans.pppoe |
| 20:51.39 | Supaplex | fuqit, I have /ignore for this |
| 20:51.40 | Bushmills | Supaplex: there is an answer to that |
| 20:51.55 | Bushmills | spectral absorbtion |
| 20:51.57 | Monsterkiller2k | Befehl confess does not function with me |
| 20:52.01 | Supaplex | yes, there are lots of reasons |
| 20:52.04 | Supaplex | let's back up |
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| 20:52.09 | simonrvn | it's because of the water under it ;) |
| 20:52.09 | dutchfish | hi i recently compiled a few 2.6.24 kernels, during my daily virus scan routine, f-protect flips out on /usr/src/linux-2.6.24/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf stating could be infected with an unknown virus. I repeated a scan with kaspersky, wich give the same warning? Anyone out there with a virus scanner can check this or confirm this? |
| 20:52.13 | Supaplex | I refuse. that's why |
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| 20:52.43 | simonrvn | dutchfish: wtf |
| 20:52.51 | Supaplex | dutchfish: virustotal |
| 20:52.57 | dutchfish | Simoneloco, that was my reaction too |
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| 20:53.26 | dutchfish | simonrvn, is this a hoax? if not, well .... |
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| 20:53.39 | simonrvn | i mean, wtf would it give false positives? |
| 20:53.41 | Supaplex | hopefully a false positive |
| 20:54.07 | dutchfish | Supaplex, running clamav atm, will complete in a few minutes |
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| 20:54.27 | sco50000 | dutchfish: i had a game once that every scanner i had told me it was a virus, turned out to be some heuristics problem or something |
| 20:54.42 | Supaplex | simonrvn: because linux is spreading like wildfire! wouuouu! |
| 20:54.43 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 20:54.47 | mhall | !kde4 |
| 20:54.47 | dpkg | hmm... kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 20:54.51 | dutchfish | sco50000, a game, ok, but a vinalla kernel???? |
| 20:54.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:55.07 | simonrvn | vanilla |
| 20:55.13 | jelly-ho | dutchfish: is that a type of curry? |
| 20:55.28 | sco50000 | mhall: use /msg dpkg kde4, don't spam the channel |
| 20:55.39 | dutchfish | jelly-home vanilla* a typo, sorry |
| 20:56.16 | Bushmills | dutchfish: my guess is, both complain about the way the code looks after disassembling the first few instruction, as it contains techniques employed by viruses. for example, an indirect jump to a location further to the end |
| 20:56.18 | Malf | dutchfish: Typos aren't allowed in this channel. Sorry. |
| 20:56.34 | jelly-ho | is that a fcat? |
| 20:56.35 | synx | simonrvn: Try looking in the *.c files in that directory. I think that's a bootstrapping program, so it might mimic viruses in certain operations, except viruses try to do them "a second time" |
| 20:56.54 | synx | It runs outside of protected memory mode, among other things. |
| 20:57.02 | dutchfish | Bushmills, clamav finished with no warnings |
| 20:57.09 | simonrvn | why are you telling me this? |
| 20:57.18 | mhall | synx: i think i've seen you on the cvale list before... didn't know you came to #d though |
| 20:57.30 | Bushmills | dutchfish: but from me guessing you won't have certainty of course. though consider: they complain about *unknown* virus. so they complain about ,likely, a common virus technique |
| 20:57.35 | vinc456` | is there a standard practice in backups? i don't know where to start |
| 20:57.50 | vinc456` | i just want to back up my config files and my schoolwork |
| 20:57.57 | mhall | vinc456`: what sort of data? real stuff or pr0n? ;-) |
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| 20:58.04 | vinc456` | just text files |
| 20:58.07 | Bushmills | dutchfish: may just mean that clamav doesn't undergo the effort to look at the code techniques used. |
| 20:58.09 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, |
| 20:58.18 | mhall | vinc456`: do you have a network of hosts that can copy to each other, or are you talking using some media? |
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| 20:58.32 | mhall | vinc456`: if you are talking media, two flash drives is a good choice |
| 20:58.34 | vinc456` | i have two computers and an external hd |
| 20:58.34 | jelly-ho | vinc456`: keep multiple copies at different physical locations. |
| 20:58.39 | mhall | vinc456`: they are pretty cheap now |
| 20:58.57 | mhall | vinc456`: yeah, external hds are good too, just dont leave it connected when you aren't backing up onto it |
| 20:59.06 | mhall | vinc456`: and of course put it in a good case and take care of it |
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| 20:59.48 | Supaplex | vinc456`: another thing to consider, physical security + fire. if it's really important, keep another copy, securely, in a new location (like another home) |
| 20:59.51 | dutchfish | Bushmills, disaasembling it, its not that big ... |
| 21:00.01 | cow_2001b | Iceweasel is much cooler than Firefox! |
| 21:00.06 | mhall | My kernel oopsed on me really bad a minute ago, and Syslog was unable to log any of it? Is there anything I can do or install, to make it more possible to catch the logs of such stuff, so I can report the bugs? |
| 21:00.14 | mhall | cow_2001b: wnbt. |
| 21:00.15 | FrozenSpoon | Trying to do my woody upgrade still, just got this error on dist-upgrade: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential packag e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you rally want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. advice? |
| 21:00.23 | Supaplex | mhall: serial console |
| 21:00.27 | Bushmills | dutchfish: also, bootstrap code is notorious for containing techniques, employed by virus programs, too |
| 21:00.28 | mhall | Supaplex: only way? |
| 21:00.31 | mhall | Supaplex: damn |
| 21:00.33 | vinc456` | so should i be looking at writing a shell script or be using something like rsync, or something else altogether, or would it not really matter |
| 21:00.49 | TCW | does someone have a link to a ressource where the language stuff within a linux system is explained? For example, I want to have a _english_ system, but some users are germen, some may be greek, some marsian... so I don't want to make everything system-wide. In other words: How and where are language specific stuff set? |
| 21:00.52 | Supaplex | mhall: less adventorus than fetching the old school floppy patch. |
| 21:00.53 | mhall | Supaplex: maybe if i get one of those wireless routers, i could enable udp syslog to that |
| 21:01.10 | vinc456` | i think i'm looking at <1 gig and would prefer for it to be simple/hassle free |
| 21:01.11 | Supaplex | possibly, if the network stack is alive while it dies |
| 21:01.17 | mhall | Supaplex: then maybe i don't have to worry about the fs not committing the updates |
| 21:01.22 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, just wondering why my 2.6.23 , 2.6.22 kernels didnt alarm f-protect |
| 21:01.28 | mhall | Supaplex: any other options? kind of a hard problem |
| 21:01.35 | TCW | at the bottom line... I don't get my enlightenment to be german! :) |
| 21:01.47 | mhall | Supaplex: i think the stack was still (mostly) up at first, i was doing a dist-upgrade and a cp to backup at the same time |
| 21:01.54 | Supaplex | mhall: there's some other 'netconsole' thingy that'll beat syslog to the punch. |
| 21:02.01 | mhall | Supaplex: then it said something about the cp having a bad page of ram and trying to 'fix it up' |
| 21:02.11 | mhall | Supaplex: and then *kaboom* infinite loop of apic errors |
| 21:02.19 | Supaplex | oh yummy |
| 21:02.21 | mhall | Supaplex: then after that, video lost sync and screen went to sleep |
| 21:02.23 | synx | mhall: :) I don't often, was here looking for a good image tagger yesterday. |
| 21:02.26 | mhall | Supaplex: never seen anything like it |
| 21:02.33 | mhall | synx: cool... any luck? |
| 21:02.34 | TCW | dutchfish, ah, btw. kicking dnsmasq und using dhcpd3 on the same machine where tftpd was and it worked like a charm |
| 21:02.40 | Bushmills | dutchfish: two possibilities: for those versions, this - if it is a flase positive - has been excluded from being reported, and the other: code in that file looks different now. |
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| 21:02.48 | mhall | synx: i've had a hard time finding good metadata manipulation tools on unix |
| 21:02.52 | dutchfish | TCW, nice |
| 21:03.10 | TCW | dutchfish, no, not nice, annoying :) |
| 21:03.16 | mhall | synx: anything like image tagging, desktop search, music tagging, media / image file conversion, those are big gaps |
| 21:03.31 | mhall | synx: and i've gotten more stallmanish to where i don't have any nonfree oses anymore |
| 21:03.38 | mhall | synx: so it can be a huge pain |
| 21:03.39 | Bushmills | dutchfish: those test are called "heuristic" I think |
| 21:03.44 | dutchfish | Bushmills, yes, could be |
| 21:03.53 | mhall | synx: from what i recall on the list you were a bit of a mini-stallman as well ;-) |
| 21:04.12 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, in that case i rescan with heuristic turned off, hold on a sec |
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| 21:04.20 | Bushmills | an attempt of virus detector makers to stay ahead the viruses, but introducing additional false positives |
| 21:04.28 | cow_2001b | mhall, i've searched urban dictionary and there's no wnbt. what's wnbt? |
| 21:04.37 | bolt | how do I go about loading modules for "02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5413 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)"? it doesn't show up as an interface |
| 21:05.14 | dutchfish | Bushmills, no warnings with heuristics off on /usr/src/linux-2.6.24/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf |
| 21:05.29 | mhall | cow_2001b: will not be trolled ;-) |
| 21:05.32 | abrotman | !wnbt |
| 21:05.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, wnbt is Will Not Be Trolled |
| 21:05.40 | mhall | cow_2001b: a joke response to your line about iceweasel |
| 21:05.50 | bolt | oh. madwifi. nevermind |
| 21:05.51 | Supaplex | !tell cow_2001b -about madfiwi |
| 21:05.52 | xingu | mhall: hp ilom will log some panics to nvram I think |
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| 21:06.10 | mhall | cow_2001b: a while ago... that change was a controversial editor war like decision |
| 21:06.29 | mhall | xingu: yeah too bad it's a home box and not a company proliant :-( |
| 21:06.29 | synx | mhall: what you talkin about, lisp sux :3 |
| 21:06.38 | mhall | synx: ehehe |
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| 21:06.55 | xingu | mhall: I tend to run serial console where it matters for exactly that reason - last gasp capture. |
| 21:06.56 | mhall | something is cockeyed in this kernel o_O |
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| 21:07.04 | Supaplex | gah, what's with my desktop, it's stuck with an index-finger pointer, and I can't click on anything. keyboard isn't responsive :( |
| 21:07.13 | dutchfish | Bushmills, hey, also a warning on /usr/src/linux-2.6.23.11/arch/i386/boot/setup.elf not on /usr/src/linux-2.6.23.12/arch/i386/boot/setup.elf |
| 21:07.17 | mhall | xingu: yeah... i just havent got another system handy atm |
| 21:07.27 | abrotman | Supaplex: someting stole focus ? |
| 21:07.39 | xingu | mhall: at one point you could wire ieee1284 as a write-only console device |
| 21:07.40 | mhall | xingu: and was hoping there was some way, in the short-term, if i convinced it to reoccur, i could do something |
| 21:07.55 | Supaplex | mmm maybe. let's kill off synergy |
| 21:07.56 | FrozenSpoon | dist-upgrade failed http://pastebin.com/d4bbfcb6f suggestions? |
| 21:08.10 | synx | Supaplex: At least it's not the middle finger |
| 21:08.12 | xingu | mhall: apart from that, remote logging is the go; netconsole is the king for that |
| 21:08.15 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, i know enough, i delve into it later trying to grasp when i am through the disassembled output |
| 21:08.20 | lymeca | I run Debian Etch as my Xen dom0 host, and I want to install Gobuntu as a domU guest. My question is whether or not the Etch debootstrap supports Ubuntu (and even specifically Gobuntu if any differences)? |
| 21:08.32 | dutchfish | Bushmills, many thanks |
| 21:08.37 | Bushmills | dutchfish: graag gedaan |
| 21:08.56 | dutchfish | Bushmills, bedankt! |
| 21:08.57 | Supaplex | it was firefox |
| 21:08.59 | xingu | mhall: depending on how brown things get, there might be some more annotations in your mcelog, bits of which are nonvolatile. |
| 21:09.11 | mhall | xingu: machine check exception? |
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| 21:09.22 | mhall | xingu: is there a CLI util i can try to get to that |
| 21:09.31 | xingu | mhall: oddly enough it's called mcelog. :) |
| 21:09.36 | mhall | xingu: bwahaha |
| 21:09.48 | Supaplex | but now I cannot click on the desktop for a menu |
| 21:09.50 | Supaplex | gahhhhh |
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| 21:10.28 | synx | Supaplex: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace :p |
| 21:10.49 | abrotman | Supaplex: try hitting tab a few times ? |
| 21:11.52 | mhall | xingu: blank output unfortunately |
| 21:12.08 | mhall | xingu: i'll def. setup netconsole and log to my vps though |
| 21:12.17 | FrozenSpoon | I don't know what to do regarding this dist-upgrade failure... any suggestions please? http://pastebin.com/d4bbfcb6f |
| 21:12.22 | mhall | xingu: maybe that way i can at least get some fucking info |
| 21:12.34 | mhall | xingu: it all scrolled by so bloody fast |
| 21:12.37 | macneib | Hello all, I'm working with voyage linux (debian) on an ALIX.2c3 and I'm running into a problem with apt-get. It can't write to the lockfile because the / file sytems is read only... any ideas on how to make / read/writeable? |
| 21:12.42 | xingu | mhall: yup, that it will |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: you should have dist-upgraded to sarge first |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | !tell FrozenSpoon about overwrite |
| 21:13.12 | xingu | mhall: you can stretch the buffer, but the real answer is offsystem log; either to lom, serial console, or remote host |
| 21:13.15 | mhall | !tell macneib about based on debian |
| 21:13.23 | Bushmills | macneib: find out why it is read-only. probably the result of an error in the file system |
| 21:13.27 | jelly-home | macneib: if the file system is read only, it's probably for a reason. |
| 21:13.36 | mhall | xingu: yeah i'll try network, if that doesn't hack it i'll find some way to do serial |
| 21:13.41 | FrozenSpoon | abrotman: that thing says its a bug |
| 21:13.49 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: it's not .. you messed up |
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| 21:13.50 | Shnoodle | macneib: take a look at your /etc/fstab, did you configure that properly? |
| 21:14.03 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: you sohuld have dist-upgraded to sarge first .. then to etch |
| 21:14.11 | macneib | ok checking now /etc/fstab |
| 21:14.48 | xingu | mhall: fujitsu were playing at one stage with a kexec based crash kernel - so on panic you drop your drawers and shift to a second kernel image who's only purpose in life is to safely preserve the crash info |
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| 21:15.16 | xingu | mhall: but frankly, without designing the hardware support around it, it'll still fail you when you need it most |
| 21:15.17 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> See dondelelcaro @ Debian booth @ SCALE |4.0r2 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
| 21:15.24 | macneib | #/dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults,noatime,rw 0 0 |
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| 21:15.40 | macneib | does the # mean that it's comments? |
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| 21:15.53 | macneib | sorry # commented out? |
| 21:16.04 | mhall | xingu: yeah... it's a tough feature... it's rarely used, and when used, mission critical, and, nearly impossible to test |
| 21:16.14 | Shnoodle | macneib: yep |
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| 21:16.18 | mhall | xingu: there are countless millions of triggers which will fubar the system in a different way |
| 21:16.24 | xingu | mhall: http://lwn.net/Articles/108596/ |
| 21:16.28 | mhall | xingu: and the same one might not work the same way twice due to timing |
| 21:16.32 | Bushmills | macneib: but that's not a debian typical configuration |
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| 21:16.51 | Supaplex | abrotman: ahh, didn't try tab. I gave up and killall openbox openbox3, and changed .xinitrc to exec flwm. |
| 21:17.00 | abrotman | Supaplex: yeah .. guess that'd do it |
| 21:17.11 | FrozenSpoon | abrotman: guess it would have been nice if the documentation pointed that out somewhere. I don't see it. Oh well, I can recopy and try again |
| 21:17.14 | Supaplex | too many fits in the last few days. gotta switch and see if it gets better. |
| 21:17.18 | xingu | mhall: if it were milspec you'd have two cpu packages one executing a cycle behind the first to validate results and handle exceptions |
| 21:17.22 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: uhm .. okay |
| 21:17.28 | Bushmills | macneib: we may risc to give you wrong information here, as evidently your system setup, and the typical debian setup differ. |
| 21:17.57 | Supaplex | Bushmills: it's not that riscy, itym risk. :P |
| 21:18.03 | odysseas | Hi all, I'm having a little trouble installing the nvidia drivers. I followed the wiki and it all went smooth, but when I start X I get failed to load nvidia module even though the module is loaded. Any ideas on that? |
| 21:18.12 | cow_2001b | Supaplex, mhall, i wasn't aware of that. sorry to bring out this controversial issue. i just thought it'd be a cool pun. |
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| 21:18.24 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: yeah .. i guess ifyou'd have told us your intention .. i'd have told you it was a bad idea .. sorry |
| 21:18.25 | Bushmills | Supaplex: it could in the worst case even lead to catastrophic data loss |
| 21:18.45 | redrain | Is there a netinstall cd iso for testing? |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 21:18.49 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing! |
| 21:18.52 | macneib | haha?? what's the worst that could happen? |
| 21:18.53 | Supaplex | Bushmills: you made a typo, and it was a pun. that's all I'm saying. |
| 21:18.54 | Malf | odysseas: When I just did that the other day I had to manually update the xorg conf |
| 21:19.06 | jelly-home | macneib: you do NOT ask that question |
| 21:19.06 | Malf | odysseas: and add the Driver "nvidia" type line |
| 21:19.17 | FrozenSpoon | no problem, I was working off a new disk and can easily try again going to oldstable first |
| 21:19.21 | macneib | asdasdgadsfgasdfb /no carrier |
| 21:19.23 | Bushmills | Supaplex: oh right... got it now. |
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| 21:19.35 | vlt | Hello. Any idea what's missing when I get "ERROR: `phpize' failed" after `pecl install <pkg-name>` on Debian Etch? |
| 21:19.37 | odysseas | Malf: I used nvidia-xconfig to setup xorg.conf and driver was set to nvidia |
| 21:19.37 | Supaplex | redrain: there are daily builds. google is your friend. (I forget where it's at) |
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| 21:19.44 | Bushmills | macneib: the universe could cease to exist? |
| 21:19.48 | mhall | xingu: hence why their stuff is 10x-100x the cost i guess lol |
| 21:20.00 | mhall | xingu: because the asic development of that would be insane |
| 21:20.10 | redrain | Supaplex, The official FTP doesn't contain an iso for netinstall |
| 21:20.15 | xingu | mhall: validating that a control switch will indeed function for its rated life costs :) |
| 21:20.17 | abrotman | redrain: see above |
| 21:20.19 | porkpie | guy's I need to install 32bit libs on a 64bit install ..... what do I need ... |
| 21:20.23 | Bushmills | macneib: maybe, the perpetual process spawning new daughter universe comes to a grinding halt? |
| 21:20.28 | porkpie | is the a .deb for this ? |
| 21:20.38 | abrotman | porkpie: ia32-libs |
| 21:20.41 | mhall | redrain: ya it does |
| 21:20.43 | macneib | would i have read/write permission there? |
| 21:20.43 | Supaplex | redrain: ask #debian-boot where they hide them. it's been a long time since I had to bother |
| 21:20.45 | porkpie | thanks |
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| 21:20.50 | mhall | redrain: but it's a different official site |
| 21:20.52 | abrotman | Supaplex: the URL is above |
| 21:20.53 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:20.55 | jelly-home | Bushmills: $DEITY would need to reboot the whole thing |
| 21:20.58 | mhall | redrain: try googling debian installer |
| 21:21.02 | abrotman | holy shit |
| 21:21.03 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 21:21.03 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 21:21.06 | mhall | redrain: and go to the debian installer team site |
| 21:21.09 | abrotman | third link ? |
| 21:21.10 | jelly-home | Bushmills: and lose unsaved data |
| 21:21.18 | mhall | redrain: or developer page link above |
| 21:21.21 | redrain | abrotman, mhall thank you |
| 21:21.22 | Supaplex | abrotman: daily builds of testing? ahhh cool. |
| 21:21.29 | abrotman | i already did it once .. |
| 21:21.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: dunno about daily .. but close enough .. |
| 21:21.39 | lymeca | Does Etch's debootstrap support Ubuntu? |
| 21:21.40 | Bushmills | maybe power cycling would not be enough. |
| 21:21.41 | abrotman | redrain: fair warning .. they may not work |
| 21:21.41 | Supaplex | *nod* |
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| 21:21.49 | abrotman | redrain: they might even do really bad things |
| 21:22.11 | Malf | odysseas: Yeah if the conf is set up and it shows up in lsmod I have no clue. Sorry. |
| 21:22.21 | redrain | abrotman, Installing with sarge and update to Lenny? |
| 21:22.28 | abrotman | you mean etch ? |
| 21:22.30 | Supaplex | lymeca: I know there are some ubuntu releases in there, but I don't follow them close enough to recall which ones are current |
| 21:22.31 | mhall | redrain: if you want *official* net install of a stable release that exists too |
| 21:22.34 | Bushmills | brings up the question ... does universe use a journalling event system? |
| 21:22.37 | redrain | abrotman, Ah yes |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | redrain: that would work too .. try whichever method you'd like |
| 21:23.00 | mhall | redrain: it's www.debian.org/CD/netinst |
| 21:23.05 | redrain | abrotman, Ok, thanks again |
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| 21:23.16 | Supaplex | T@*$TR@T killall ssh on the wrong box. oops :P |
| 21:23.16 | mhall | redrain: the trick is, the official package mirror, is not the same mirror system as the official image mirror |
| 21:23.32 | mhall | redrain: because image mirrors are much harder to run |
| 21:23.34 | redrain | mhall, Thank you, I'm downloading now |
| 21:23.59 | mhall | redrain: so when you need CDs you have to go to d-i developer site for real current ones, and cdimage.debian.org for the stable ones |
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| 21:27.32 | mhall | hmm... it's 10 minutes to 1337 o'clock |
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| 21:28.25 | dga | hi. i've just installed debian on my dell inspiron laptop and i was wondering what package(s) i need in order for my function keys (for sound and dimming lcd) to work. any suggestions? |
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| 21:29.10 | Supaplex | mhall: haha :) |
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| 21:31.35 | ktwilight | i can't seem to mount usb storage from thunar (xfce4), it says something like the message bus security policy blocks the communications for normal user. i've checked /etc/*/system/hal.conf and it's fine, i.e. group plugdev is able to mount it. and also my user is in plugdev. any other ideas? |
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| 21:31.55 | ktwilight | would i need to add my user to the messagebus and haldaemon group? |
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| 21:34.26 | abrotman | not likely |
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| 21:35.41 | valdyn | ktwilight: did you log in since you added the user to the plugdev group? |
| 21:35.53 | ktwilight | valdyn, yup, i've restarted X |
| 21:36.11 | valdyn | ktwilight: mm, restartingg X isnt really related to logging in |
| 21:36.17 | ktwilight | hm, i see... |
| 21:36.22 | ktwilight | i'll try :) |
| 21:36.32 | valdyn | ktwilight: if you are using startx , you didnt login |
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| 21:42.19 | Daveman | More man pages please. |
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| 21:47.44 | zamaliphe | hello all |
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| 21:48.55 | zamaliphe | i was looking for mmc passwrd unlouck or reset app and i found this site http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.24-rc2/2.6.24-rc2-mm1/broken-out/git-mmc.patch any help what to to ?? |
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| 21:50.52 | kuber | wow linux really does do some aggressive caching in ram. |
| 21:51.02 | kuber | using 7.5/8.0 gigs cached |
| 21:51.09 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 21:51.10 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 21:51.18 | kuber | right, I'm not complaining. |
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| 21:51.22 | kuber | like i said, 'caching' |
| 21:51.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's what he said! |
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| 21:52.08 | ftp3 | so, i have a server that just reboots every so often.. sometimes once a day, sometimes 5x a day.. the server logs show nothing.. is there any way for me to find out whats going on? |
| 21:52.18 | kuber | what logs are you checking? |
| 21:52.25 | Supaplex | free ram is wasted ram :) |
| 21:52.30 | Supaplex | s/free/idle/ |
| 21:52.39 | ftp3 | kuber: /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages |
| 21:53.04 | Supaplex | ftp3: arm the reset button with a tazer ;) |
| 21:53.05 | jelly-home | ftp3: do you have physical access? |
| 21:53.21 | ftp3 | jelly-home, kvm/ip |
| 21:53.40 | jelly-home | ftp3: so check it for kernel oops at the time of crash |
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| 21:54.00 | ftp3 | jelly-home: how do I do that? i mean, where would I see that? |
| 21:54.17 | Supaplex | console |
| 21:54.18 | jelly-home | ftp3: an oops would be seen at the console |
| 21:54.46 | jelly-home | ftp3: you can also try setting up a console on serial port and log that |
| 21:54.48 | Supaplex | and reboots don't leave good messages on the console :) |
| 21:55.05 | Supaplex | if it's kvm/ip, sounds like it's remote |
| 21:55.25 | jelly-home | obviously he'd need to log the kvm action right up to the reboot in some way |
| 21:55.39 | ftp3 | ah |
| 21:55.47 | ftp3 | yeah.. see the problem is.. its so random |
| 21:56.00 | jelly-home | new hardware? |
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| 21:56.22 | moy1 | buenas |
| 21:56.29 | ftp3 | no.. its a dual xeon 3.6 |
| 21:56.53 | valdyn | ftp3: you can try logging to a file on a device mounted with -o sync, or use a remote log server, though a serial console log would still be better |
| 21:56.53 | ftp3 | but its a vps machine so it sucks that it keeps rebooting ;-) |
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| 21:57.57 | jelly-home | random reboots suck regardless of machine's purpose |
| 21:58.38 | ftp3 | lol yeah, but when it takes down 20 vps's it pisses off a lot of people instead of one ;-) |
| 21:58.39 | Supaplex | !blame magic |
| 21:58.42 | ootput | hello. I've got a machine running as a firewall for my wireless lan (with authentication schemes + encryption, but for this incident, both have been disabled.) Previously, I had a wired lan, and my firewall rules for port forwarding worked splendidly. Using those rules as a template for my wireless lan, I'm unable to get the port-forwarding to work. What should I do differently? |
| 21:58.51 | jelly-home | creating a movie out of graphic kvm/ip output sounds like an interesting project :-) |
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| 21:59.33 | valdyn | ootput: /msg dpkg vagueness |
| 21:59.46 | Bushmills | ftp3: check cpu temperature |
| 22:00.00 | jelly-home | !vogueness |
| 22:00.00 | dpkg | VOGUENESS MAKES MADONNA CRY! |
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| 22:00.16 | ootput | valdyn: ? |
| 22:00.25 | ootput | valdyn: could you please be less vague? |
| 22:00.28 | ftp3 | bushmills: is there a way to do that via debian or do I need to reboot and watch from cmos? |
| 22:00.52 | valdyn | ootput: hah, from your long text i can see that it once worked and now doesnt work, i dont see useful information |
| 22:01.10 | ootput | no, port forwarding on 'WIRED' lan worked |
| 22:01.18 | ootput | replicating the rules for WIRELESS doesn't |
| 22:01.24 | Supaplex | ootput: are you using DNAT? |
| 22:01.26 | ftp3 | grrr it just rebooted again |
| 22:01.40 | Supaplex | ftp3: there are sensors packages |
| 22:01.59 | Bushmills | ftp, several mays. mbmon may be one |
| 22:02.05 | ftp3 | its a server, so there is no gui.. any sensor packages you would recomend? |
| 22:02.11 | ftp3 | checking mbmon |
| 22:02.15 | Supaplex | !tell ftp3 -about search |
| 22:02.20 | valdyn | ootput: wired or wireless makes no difference to firewalling |
| 22:02.32 | Supaplex | I need to wire mine into the monitor system... again... |
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| 22:02.46 | Bushmills | ftp, you could consider to let the system create graphs of many aspects of its operation... including temperatures, mem use etc |
| 22:02.47 | valdyn | ootput: maybe, if you really replicated the rules properly, the only possibility is your accesss point / router or whatever there is in between |
| 22:03.35 | Bushmills | ftp3: munin is a nice package for easily graphing about anything you want |
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| 22:04.37 | grml | ootput: maybe forgot to enable forwarding? to check: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 22:04.42 | ftp3 | bushmills: i have no gui tho.. would it graph in ascii or something? |
| 22:05.26 | Supaplex | I have a fistfull of sshkeys in my agent. is there any way to disable those keys except on a host by host basis? Systems I login to w/o the key freak over auth failures when I haven't even used interactive yet. |
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| 22:05.40 | Bushmills | ftp, it will generate png + html. can be used through browser, or with image viewer on another machine |
| 22:06.13 | Bushmills | ftp3: browser easier because of the navigation structure |
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| 22:07.12 | jelly-home | Supaplex: disable all of them? per-host PreferredAuthentications in ~/.ssh/config |
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| 22:08.59 | jelly-home | Supaplex: eg. for HP iLO, which has a shitty ssh implementation, I have, among other things, "PreferredAuthentications password" |
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| 22:09.27 | jelly-home | Supaplex: which makes it use only that one auth. method |
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| 22:12.06 | Supaplex | okay. all my keys have pass phrases. I like them running in the agent so I don't have to retype the password or a passphrase. when I login, I want it to choose a identity I've setup, otherwise password only (unless I'm explict on the command line). I'm still reading man ssh_config to see how |
| 22:12.12 | Supaplex | +to do all that. |
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| 22:12.52 | Supaplex | ahh, Host *. |
| 22:13.10 | jetscreamer | what can i use for a gui to edit a pdf |
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| 22:13.49 | daba | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
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| 22:14.00 | jelly-home | idiot |
| 22:15.14 | simonrvn | what a doh |
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| 22:15.40 | debian__ | simonrvn: DoH |
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| 22:16.43 | Texou | hi |
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| 22:19.09 | Texou | could someone tell me detailed info about apt? I've 2 questions. First, is that right apt stores the dependencies-structure of a system? If yes, then, where does it store it? where is stored dependencies-structure of system? |
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| 22:19.39 | simonrvn | apt doesn't do that dpkg does |
| 22:19.55 | Texou | simonrvn: ah cool :) |
| 22:20.05 | Texou | and do you know where dpkg stores that? |
| 22:20.06 | sonic_ | trying to install debian on a laptop and the cd boots but installation says it cant find the cdrom and fails |
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| 22:20.38 | Texou | simonrvn: ? |
| 22:21.02 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:21.06 | Sergo21 | hello, can i have a single DVD of debian to get started |
| 22:21.14 | Texou | ok thanks very much |
| 22:21.16 | Texou | I look |
| 22:21.29 | simonrvn | Sergo21: you can. go fetch it |
| 22:21.44 | jelly-home | Texou: apt does calculate necessary dependencies at runtime in case an installation (or upgrade) is requested. Source data is read from /var/lib/dpkg/status (currently installed packages) and /var/lib/apt/lists/ for available ones |
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| 22:22.10 | Sergo21 | simonrvn, thanks, can i ask you ... it is possible to search software from terminal in debian ? ... |
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| 22:22.34 | simonrvn | Sergo21: yes |
| 22:22.41 | Sergo21 | simonrvn, what's the command?:) |
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| 22:22.53 | Sergo21 | simonrvn, apt-get search ? |
| 22:23.03 | simonrvn | !tell Sergo21 -about search |
| 22:23.09 | Texou | /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 22:23.16 | Texou | thx very much jelly-home I look |
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| 22:23.28 | Sergo21 | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 22:24.32 | kuber | sparkling muscatel, one of the finest wines of idaho. |
| 22:24.43 | gouki | I made a symlink but I no longer remember what to where. Can I list them? |
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| 22:26.14 | jetscreamer | !info pdfedit |
| 22:26.19 | dpkg | pdfedit: (Editor for manipulating PDF documents), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 2714 kB, Installed size: 7596 kB |
| 22:27.41 | simonrvn | jelly-home: and of course, you're right about the dep calculation at run-time |
| 22:27.47 | Texou | jelly-home: tell me if I dont have a /var/lib/dpkg/status, /var/lib/apt/lists/ is used? right? |
| 22:28.06 | jelly-home | Texou: no. Both are used. |
| 22:28.16 | Texou | first isn't :( |
| 22:28.34 | jelly-home | Texou: if you don't have /v/l/d/status, you either don't have a Debian system, or it is very broken |
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| 22:29.05 | Texou | jelly-home: very broken |
| 22:29.13 | simonrvn | first exists... if it doesn't you're either not running debian or your system is really FUBAR |
| 22:29.17 | simonrvn | doh, GTMFA |
| 22:29.27 | jelly-home | that's what she said! |
| 22:29.38 | simonrvn | GMFTA even |
| 22:29.48 | Texou | :) |
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| 22:31.02 | jelly-home | if there's status-old it's not really beyond _all_ repair |
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| 22:32.11 | jelly-home | Texou: is there a reason for you asking this? |
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| 22:32.43 | Bushmills | could possibly be grepped or awked together from /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:33.23 | Texou | it secms my friend's system is completely broken, but I speak for him because doesn't speak English. His apt doesn't want to install, remove.... errors accumulate. |
| 22:33.27 | jelly-home | Bushmills: status? not really |
| 22:33.32 | Texou | since a upgrade on lenny |
| 22:33.42 | jelly-home | Texou: restore from backups |
| 22:34.03 | Texou | ah good idea |
| 22:34.12 | jelly-home | Texou: (that is, is there is no /var/lib/dpkg/status or status-old) |
| 22:34.14 | Texou | but he doesn't have |
| 22:34.22 | jelly-home | live and learn |
| 22:34.26 | AnObfuscator | Somehow, debian has stopped loading GDM. Everything seems to boot fine, then at the end of the boot sequence, I get a series of "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD failed: " messages, and then get dumped to a terminal. After that, I can log in and startx fine -- but no icons or menu items show up. The files themselves are visible, however... what the heck is going on? |
| 22:34.38 | simonrvn | !very fubar status file |
| 22:34.38 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
| 22:34.39 | Texou | :) |
| 22:34.44 | Bushmills | jelly-home: well, what'd you need to know... assume non-installed for all, except those found installed from .log |
| 22:34.56 | Bushmills | jelly-home: just thinking loudly, though |
| 22:35.14 | jelly-home | Bushmills: have you seen the contents of that file? most of the control file for each package is in there |
| 22:35.38 | Piet | is it a well known issue that mdadm devices cannot be assembled with linux >= 2.6.23? |
| 22:35.55 | Texou | jelly-home: and I suppose if I use a "status" of a livecd such as knoppix, it's not compatible right? |
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| 22:36.23 | Piet | i guess it's probably not always but i must have some special configuration here. anything up to + including 2.6.22 works fine |
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| 22:36.41 | jelly-home | Texou: you can't. |
| 22:36.51 | Texou | I guess :x |
| 22:37.07 | Texou | I think he'll have to re-install |
| 22:37.11 | Bushmills | jelly-home: most info status it contains is not system specific. so a .. template .. would be usable. |
| 22:37.14 | Piet | with .23 and up it bumps me to the emergency shell |
| 22:37.26 | Texou | because how to fix apt database... |
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| 22:37.35 | jelly-home | Texou: you could deduce which packages were installed from the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/ if it's there, and then reinstall every package |
| 22:37.46 | mike-ekim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.06 | jelly-home | Texou: this would be a lengthy process |
| 22:38.14 | Texou | I suppose |
| 22:38.26 | Texou | but he's ready to do that since he'd like to understand too |
| 22:38.28 | simonrvn | see what dpkg said above |
| 22:38.32 | Bushmills | mike-ekim: yes. a (modified, or specifix) tftp server, and a dhcpd, also needs to support pxe |
| 22:38.37 | Texou | jelly-home: yes but nearly by hand so no? with /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 22:39.18 | mike-ekim | Bushmills: can I configure those to use my cdrom as a source |
| 22:39.26 | mike-ekim | trying to get windows installed on a couple computers |
| 22:39.32 | Bushmills | mike-ekim: "source" meaning what? |
| 22:39.38 | Bushmills | like, booting from it? |
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| 22:40.00 | mike-ekim | yes, having the PXE clients boot from it |
| 22:40.13 | jelly-home | Texou: if there is a *.list file, the package was either installed or removed, but conffiles kept. If there's any of *.{pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts for a package in addition, it was most probably installed. |
| 22:40.14 | mike-ekim | Kind of how the ILOM process works for sun Xfires |
| 22:40.45 | jelly-home | Texou: if there is a status-old, copy it to "status" and hope for the best |
| 22:41.07 | Bushmills | mike-ekim: depends on what is on the cdrom, and what, if at all, you use as intermediate pxe loader |
| 22:41.09 | Texou | ok |
| 22:41.10 | AnObfuscator | Can anyone tell me where the system boot output is logged? |
| 22:41.17 | Bushmills | mike-ekim: you may want to look at pxelinux |
| 22:41.23 | Bushmills | mike-ekim: comes with syslinux |
| 22:41.43 | mike-ekim | will do |
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| 22:43.19 | FrozenSpoon | alright, 4.0 seems to be running after my upgrade. But ifup is complaining about an unknown kernel version. Kernel is 2.6.18. What package do I need to upgrade to get ifup working right? |
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| 22:44.21 | eljefe | is there any way to have a DFS-type filesystem, when a write of one file to /mount/united will actually write to various (networked) hard drives, for replication/backup reasons? |
| 22:44.25 | maelstrom | do rpm's work in debian ? |
| 22:44.48 | eljefe | maelstrom: not natrually; check out the program 'alien' |
| 22:44.57 | Bushmills | maelstrom: there is "alien" which can convert some of them to deb |
| 22:45.05 | maelstrom | oh cool |
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| 22:46.03 | Stalker`` | hiiiiiii |
| 22:46.54 | Stalker`` | default 208.53.148.250 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 22:47.01 | Stalker`` | what is a genmask? |
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| 22:48.02 | Stalker`` | 800 users and no one alive? |
| 22:48.41 | CyberGabber | AnObfuscator: check http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-gnome-system-log-viewer/ |
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| 22:49.54 | Bushmills | Stalker``: probaly nobody understanding the need to retype what has been written in the man page already |
| 22:50.35 | Stalker`` | hah, not quite the response i was looking for but well expected. |
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| 22:51.23 | Bushmills | just trying to answer your most recent question |
| 22:51.24 | AnObfuscator | CyberGabber: Thank you! |
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| 22:51.54 | Bushmills | even though it needed a bit of interpretation |
| 22:52.26 | Stalker`` | here is a better question --- 208.53.148.251 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 veth1.0 My GenMask appears as .255 when i believe it should be .0 since thats the proper netmask |
| 22:52.32 | Bushmills | but I give you a hint: |
| 22:52.46 | Stalker`` | ifconfig veth1.0 208.53.148.250 netmask 255.255.255.0 should work? |
| 22:52.47 | Bushmills | man route, then "/" and Genmask |
| 22:52.54 | Bushmills | followed by "Enter" |
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| 22:53.09 | CyberGabber | AnObfuscator: Maybe your 'bootlogging' isn't enabled at the moment, check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49925 |
| 22:53.14 | Bushmills | asking here took *way* too many keystrokes |
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| 22:56.00 | FrozenSpoon | I really don't understand what happened after the dist-upgrade -- if I try to run aptitude upgrade after rebooting it wants to remove the kernel and lots of other critical stuff. this upgrade functionality seems really broken |
| 22:56.08 | AnObfuscator | CyberGabber: aha, thanks again. Is there anything wrong with leaving bootlogging enabled? |
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| 22:57.16 | albumine | hey all |
| 22:57.36 | albumine | i have a lot of media files in my directory and i want to create an online radio using that |
| 22:57.57 | albumine | which is the best choice to start icecast? |
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| 22:58.31 | ttl- | greetings all |
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| 22:59.16 | ttl- | i have a problem with downloading a network install .iso |
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| 22:59.35 | ttl- | the images are not on the sever |
| 22:59.48 | Gun_Smoke | ttl-: Pick a different mirror |
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| 23:01.45 | ftp3 | i need to install grsecurity on a new box.. anyone know of a tutorial that works? |
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| 23:04.03 | h0ax | Anyone familiar with Dreamlinux ? |
| 23:05.34 | synx | albumine: Just make a PLS file with URLs to all the mp3s, people can choose which to play then. |
| 23:05.35 | synx | Oh just missed. |
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| 23:06.50 | h0ax | If i get .... # bash 3.1: ... do i typr startx ? |
| 23:07.20 | g-d | h0ax: you learn basic linux |
| 23:08.33 | simonrvn | a) don't run shit as root |
| 23:08.41 | h0ax | g-d i'm used to Gentoo... my first time using dedian |
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| 23:09.22 | simonrvn | log in as your regular user and run startx that way |
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| 23:11.40 | Stalker`` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.50 | Stalker`` | i think my syntax is correct :x |
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| 23:13.07 | imperfec1- | Anyone here using kde4 on lenny? |
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| 23:15.34 | abrotman | imperfec1-: ask #debian-kde |
| 23:15.45 | imperfec1- | k |
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| 23:22.21 | Brahman | h0ax: what is yor incentive to use dreamlinux vs vanila debian? |
| 23:22.29 | Brahman | *your |
| 23:22.37 | twiggz | dreamlinux is beautiful. |
| 23:22.48 | twiggz | the last beta came with broken packages. |
| 23:22.49 | twiggz | :/ |
| 23:22.57 | Brahman | twiggz: ??? really? |
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| 23:23.07 | twiggz | yes, really. |
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| 23:24.06 | Bushmills | beatiful. |
| 23:24.06 | Brahman | twiggz: just perused homepage of dreamloinux.com.br and it seems rather boring... |
| 23:24.08 | synx | Dreamlinux comes with a liveCD, that's one incentive. |
| 23:24.15 | Bushmills | I like this broken packages concept |
| 23:24.25 | simonrvn | !debian-live |
| 23:24.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:24.26 | twiggz | it was a Beta. |
| 23:24.28 | Bushmills | puts the fun in |
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| 23:24.43 | simonrvn | meh |
| 23:24.48 | simonrvn | dpkg: slow poke |
| 23:24.52 | Brahman | well thx dpkg... |
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| 23:25.16 | Bushmills | but why don't you tell on #dreamlinux how much you like it? |
| 23:25.34 | Bushmills | I think the folks there can appreciate your enthusiasm much more |
| 23:25.36 | Brahman | what kinda pkgs are broken? |
| 23:25.37 | twiggz | Why were people asking about it here in the first place smartass? |
| 23:25.44 | twiggz | :) |
| 23:26.00 | Brahman | twiggz is thate dirctly aimed at h0ax |
| 23:26.01 | Brahman | ? |
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| 23:27.19 | Brahman | just came home from a party, am drunk! goodnight!! |
| 23:27.19 | frankS__ | oh rly |
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| 23:27.19 | frankS__ | thats interesting |
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| 23:30.54 | Bushmills | twiggz: (23:18:28) h0ax left the room (quit: ). |
| 23:31.32 | Bushmills | twiggz: (23:22:37)-... twiggz dreamlinux rave |
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| 23:31.52 | Bushmills | twiggz: who were you talking to? |
| 23:32.04 | simonrvn | the air |
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| 23:32.38 | twiggz | so what, i like it. i use it on my laptop because theres far to much afro engineering involved in making everything on it work in debian. |
| 23:32.47 | abrotman | twiggz: watch it |
| 23:32.49 | twiggz | i saw someone else comment on it, so i decided to coment. |
| 23:32.53 | twiggz | oh eat me |
| 23:32.57 | abrotman | try again |
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| 23:32.58 | twiggz | ban me again, i dont care. |
| 23:33.00 | twiggz | lol |
| 23:33.15 | Bushmills | is that twiggz a known troll here? |
| 23:33.23 | abrotman | not a troll .. but close enough |
| 23:33.23 | Bushmills | in that case, sorry for feeding |
| 23:33.26 | twiggz | omg imma gets banned on irc i dont think ill be able to go out tonight. |
| 23:33.30 | twiggz | the horror. |
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| 23:34.35 | twiggz | you folks really need to loosen up those tin foil helmets. |
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| 23:34.48 | simonrvn | lamer... |
| 23:37.02 | sonic_ | how do I mount my root filesystem from a debian netinstall cd? |
| 23:37.49 | abrotman | use the mount command ? |
| 23:38.15 | sonic_ | well it doesnt recognize /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1 |
| 23:38.21 | sonic_ | not in fstab |
| 23:38.40 | abrotman | no .. it won't |
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| 23:38.48 | sco50000 | i'm trying to use jigdo to download a debian ISO, but it keeps telling me 19 files couldn't be downloaded |
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| 23:39.55 | sonic_ | hmm I remember the gentoo docs have instructions for chrooting a hard drive from a cd. |
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| 23:40.00 | sonic_ | maybe Ill look there |
| 23:40.14 | sonic_ | should be relatively the same I assume |
| 23:40.30 | cast | or you could learn how to use mount |
| 23:40.42 | cast | what are you trying to do |
| 23:41.12 | sonic_ | Im trying to mount my hard drive from a lenny netinstall cd |
| 23:41.14 | Red_Eeps | Shhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:41.31 | cast | sonic_: but why. |
| 23:42.00 | sonic_ | to change the root password on a laptop I havent used in 2 years and forgot it.... |
| 23:42.01 | sonic_ | :p |
| 23:42.05 | sonic_ | lol |
| 23:42.09 | cast | well now |
| 23:42.48 | sonic_ | chroot --> source /ect/profile --> passwd |
| 23:42.50 | sonic_ | :) |
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| 23:43.08 | |zeus| | morning |
| 23:43.13 | |zeus| | what dpkg uses for db? |
| 23:43.52 | ethan961 | evening |
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| 23:44.11 | Red_Eeps | hi ethan |
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| 23:45.27 | Red_Eeps | Hmmmm.... Did we have a net split or something ? |
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| 23:49.58 | abrotman | sonic_: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 23:56.54 | jetscreamer | so wtf is this 'unknown filesystem type ntfs-3g' crap |
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