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| 00:00.58 | dnanar | peleg: i'm looking for something with core 2 duo arround 2Ghz, at least 2Mo of L2, 800Mhz FSB) 1024 ram DDRII 66400, HDD: at least 150Go at 7200rpm, and a resolution of at least 1680x1050. That's all the specs that i'm looking for. |
| 00:01.10 | dnanar | jetscreamer: ok thanks i'm looking |
| 00:01.57 | abrotman | dnanar: FWIW .. lenovo is having a sale |
| 00:02.06 | abrotman | on laptops anyway ... |
| 00:02.09 | peleg | dnanar: DELL sells laptops with ubuntu, and it works really good (I use it). It has 1.83GHz, 2048 RAM, may have 7200RPM HD (but only 120GB, I think) and a smaller resolution that what you wanted - 1280X800 (I'm not sure about the rest). |
| 00:02.43 | peleg | dnanar: extremely cheap, and I don't have anything bad to say about it after a month of use. |
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| 00:03.56 | dnanar | peleg: erf yes for the moment dell is the best manufacturer that i can find... but i do believe that their ubuntu laptops are a bad trick, because it is much more cheaper to buy a Dell Vostro 1500 ($1000 for the spacs that i said) with windows than a laptop with ubuntu... |
| 00:04.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, my X doesnt load at boot, I have reinstalled it and updated rc.d scripts, can you help me how to fix it? |
| 00:04.46 | nevyn | omg if dell is the "Best" manufacturer you can find something's very wrong with your metrics |
| 00:04.49 | dnanar | gonzaloaf_laptop: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 00:05.11 | dnanar | nevyn: so please tell me any other manufacturer ? |
| 00:05.23 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: look at the logs |
| 00:05.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | dnanar, what with this file? |
| 00:05.35 | peleg | dnanar: I'm not sure. I bought this one in less than 1000$. |
| 00:05.39 | abrotman | dnanar: lenovo ? |
| 00:06.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, there is nothing in the logs, I see the logs after execute: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:06.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | but nothing |
| 00:06.08 | dnanar | gonzaloaf_laptop: pastebin it |
| 00:06.08 | nevyn | dnanar: I was only being semi-serious... but I like lenovo. |
| 00:06.12 | nevyn | I also like asus for laptops |
| 00:06.17 | abrotman | dnanar: http://www.emperorlinux.com/ |
| 00:06.37 | dnanar | ah i didn't watched lenovo laptops |
| 00:06.38 | gonzaloaf_laptop | dnanar, ok I'll be back |
| 00:06.54 | dnanar | gonzaloaf_laptop: ok |
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| 00:07.04 | dnanar | abrotman: thanks i'm looking |
| 00:08.17 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: how does X not work ? |
| 00:09.27 | wizard_ | themill: sun java is not in http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ .. ? |
| 00:09.36 | dnanar | abrotman: wow price are really high at emperor linux :o |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | dnanar: they buy thinkpads .. and get linux to run on them .. it's a convenience thing .. you could just buy a thinkpad from lenovo and do it yourself |
| 00:10.08 | themill | wizard_: urgh... my bad.... |
| 00:10.18 | abrotman | !tell wizard_ about install java |
| 00:10.19 | themill | wizard_: sub-java6-jdk is on backports.org |
| 00:10.29 | wizard_ | aaaahh |
| 00:10.30 | wizard_ | :D |
| 00:10.45 | themill | !tell wizard_ about bpo |
| 00:11.02 | wizard_ | excellent |
| 00:11.03 | Sadneophyte | does anyone have experiences to the fact that debian 32 bit is more or less stable than debian 64 bit on the same machine? |
| 00:11.06 | wizard_ | thanks folks |
| 00:11.24 | abrotman | Sadneophyte: probably depends on the software used |
| 00:11.44 | Sadneophyte | abrotman lol debian stable 4.0 |
| 00:11.48 | dondelelcaro | Sadneophyte: for most things I'd be surprised if you noticed a difference; but if you have problems, file a bug. |
| 00:12.05 | abrotman | Sadneophyte: i meant the actual application used |
| 00:12.21 | wizard_ | btw, that bot is wonderful. |
| 00:12.42 | dkr | people lol at the strangest things. I suspect they aren't really laughing out loud. :) |
| 00:12.47 | Sadneophyte | abrotman am i to conclude by that response, that debian i386 is less buggy than amd64? |
| 00:13.10 | abrotman | Sadneophyte: no .. i'm just saying it may depend .. they should function the same |
| 00:13.10 | Sadneophyte | 'col' chuckle out loud ? |
| 00:13.33 | dkr | i386 has been around more years... |
| 00:13.44 | Sadneophyte | drk that is what i am thinking... |
| 00:13.56 | dkr | hard to compare very small probabilities with each other though. :) |
| 00:14.03 | abrotman | x86_64 is an extension of i386 |
| 00:14.06 | Sadneophyte | col |
| 00:14.07 | dondelelcaro | Sadneophyte: there's no real metric by which you could compare them. |
| 00:14.20 | Sadneophyte | ! error divide by zero? |
| 00:14.21 | dkr | .0002 is twice as big as .0001 but does it matter? :) |
| 00:14.39 | jetscreamer | actually couldn't you do a per machine per application benchmark and compare? |
| 00:14.46 | jetscreamer | on a case by case basis |
| 00:15.12 | Sadneophyte | I am using ' cutting edge' distribution, but app crashes are making me mad... and I miss debian... I feel homesick |
| 00:15.46 | dkr | compare all past security updates to stable for whether they only affected amd64 or not? |
| 00:15.51 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: yeah, but almost every non-kernel case is going to be architecture-independent. |
| 00:15.57 | path_ | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704/info |
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| 00:16.34 | dondelelcaro | dkr: we haven't released any (TTBOMK) for a single architecture when a source package builds on more than one. |
| 00:17.04 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: here i is, whasup? |
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| 00:17.54 | jetscreamer | i only said that because there is no apparent difference between the -686 and the -amd64 in 32bit userland, on this box running this app. (that box, but whatever) |
| 00:18.10 | jetscreamer | have to check 64bit userland i guess |
| 00:18.13 | Sadneophyte | the logic seems infallible |
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| 00:18.46 | Sadneophyte | 64bit userland can be apey sometimes... at least when compiling |
| 00:18.59 | jetscreamer | speaking of.. how do i reconnect to that lost ssh session where the app is running in the background.. i can get up and go to the computer |
| 00:19.05 | dkr | dondelelcaro: hrm, but if I look at the kernel changelog for example, some entries say the fix only affects 64 bit architectures |
| 00:19.46 | JW | how do you flush a host out of DNS lookup cache on a client workstation so that it will make a new query to the name server? |
| 00:19.55 | enouf | dnanar: seen system76? might be a tad pricey as well |
| 00:20.02 | Sadneophyte | well that update is basically a part of the arch independant code which gets cut when compiling i386 |
| 00:20.05 | jetscreamer | somethingsomething /flush |
| 00:20.14 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 00:20.18 | jetscreamer | wrong os nm |
| 00:20.35 | dkr | jetscreamer: use screen |
| 00:20.42 | dondelelcaro | dkr: sure, and vice versa. The kernel is one of the few bits that has many bits that are highly architecture specific. |
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| 00:20.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: retty? |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: didn't we do this earlier today? |
| 00:21.02 | \amethyst | JW: does the client have some kind of name service cache? |
| 00:21.13 | \amethyst | JW: like nscd or dnsmasq ? |
| 00:21.13 | wizard_ | themill, abrotman , do you consider java 6 suitable to be installed into etch on a prouction server ? its in devel on backports... |
| 00:21.15 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yeah but i had to go to work and forgot what you said |
| 00:21.18 | Sadneophyte | dondelelcaro i think highly is an understatment |
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| 00:22.03 | abrotman | wizard_: i'm not qualified to comment |
| 00:22.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: there was another .. detachtty or something |
| 00:22.31 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i'll grep muhlogs |
| 00:22.40 | jetscreamer | but thx again |
| 00:22.54 | dondelelcaro | Sadneophyte: not really |
| 00:23.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: oh come on .. my memory isn't faulty .. that i remember |
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| 00:23.19 | themill | wizard_: it is a non-free package -- you have to ask sun if it's safe or not, not us. "devel" only means that it's with other development tools (not "under development") and it's in backports because java6 was released too late for inclusion in etch. |
| 00:23.36 | Sadneophyte | dondelelcaro aren't parts of the kernel code completely archetecture dependant? |
| 00:24.00 | wizard_ | themill: thank you for your opinion , taking that as a yes |
| 00:24.36 | dondelelcaro | Sadneophyte: sure, but not a huge number of them. |
| 00:25.09 | jetscreamer | i jsut a/cache'd it |
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| 00:25.14 | themill | take that as a "hit sun over the head to actually release java under the gpl rather than talking about it" |
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| 00:25.16 | Sadneophyte | I suck at rhetorical questions |
| 00:26.31 | bolt | what is the "proper" way of disabling a service in debian? for instance if I don't want to run portmap on port 111? |
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| 00:26.57 | wols_ | bolt: uptrade-rc.d |
| 00:27.04 | wols_ | *update-rc.d |
| 00:27.16 | abrotman | or uninstal portmap .. |
| 00:27.44 | dondelelcaro | bolt: just turn the S links into K links for the runlevels you don't want it to start in, or remove portmap. |
| 00:27.55 | dondelelcaro | bolt: though by default portmap only listens on localhost, so it shouldn't be much of an issue. |
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| 00:28.37 | streuner | bolt: do you have NFS installed? |
| 00:28.38 | bolt | dondelelcaro: for some reason, i've got portmap listening to remote systems as well. and i've not installed it manually. strange. |
| 00:28.48 | bolt | streuner: nope. so i'm removing portmap as suggested |
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| 00:29.14 | Sadneophyte | dondelelcaro abrotman dkr thanks for the thoughts |
| 00:29.33 | dondelelcaro | bolt: for future reference, where it listens is controlled by /etc/default/portmap |
| 00:30.05 | bolt | is the auth service on port 113 installed by default as well? that is too reachable for other machines |
| 00:30.24 | bolt | or, rather, not by default. but it's there |
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| 00:31.44 | ralze | hi. i was about to install lenny on one of my IDE drives, but the installer doesn't show any of them. it only shows the SATA and USB Disk. |
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| 00:32.16 | ralze | i tried an Ubuntu Live CD and i was able to mount the drives, also their installer detected them |
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| 00:32.27 | ttl- | hi everyone |
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| 00:32.57 | streuner | ralze: URL (download)? |
| 00:32.59 | ralze | But i want Debian. (all the fun, all the riddles) |
| 00:33.08 | bolt | What is auth on port 113 used for? How can I make it only listen to localhost? |
| 00:33.27 | streuner | dondelelcaro already told you |
| 00:34.00 | bolt | that was for portmap, i think |
| 00:34.05 | bolt | p |
| 00:34.28 | ttl- | i just installed debian lenny on my laptop (toshiba tecra s1) the resolution in Xorg (gnome) is set to 1024x768 and i want to change it to the native resolution of my laptop screen (1400x1050) |
| 00:34.47 | ralze | streuner: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 00:34.54 | ralze | as far as i recall |
| 00:35.06 | ttl- | i tried to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf without luck |
| 00:35.24 | streuner | ralze: ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) about, daily builds sometimes just dont work |
| 00:35.29 | ttl- | also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg without any luck |
| 00:35.45 | ralze | streuner: thanks! I'll go there! |
| 00:35.47 | ttl- | gdm and gnome start in 1024x768 |
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| 00:36.40 | ttl- | my question, where do i change the screen resolution ? |
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| 00:37.34 | ralze | ttl-: did you have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 00:37.34 | wols_ | !tell ttl about drxx |
| 00:37.37 | wols_ | that's one way |
| 00:37.38 | azeem | w23 |
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| 00:37.40 | azeem | bah |
| 00:37.56 | ttl- | ralze: yes |
| 00:38.15 | azeem | w23 |
| 00:38.18 | azeem | OMG |
| 00:38.32 | ralze | ttl-: was the desired resolution put in there by default, or is it missing? |
| 00:38.57 | limpio | i need an app like fbrun is there one in the repos? |
| 00:39.04 | ttl- | ralze: 1024x768 was in there |
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| 00:39.30 | ralze | hm. that's (almost) always there... |
| 00:39.42 | ttl- | i removed it and put 1400x1050 |
| 00:39.54 | ttl- | but still starts in 1024x768 |
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| 00:40.33 | ttl- | there is no 1024x768 in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 00:40.49 | streuner | ttl-: what kind of driver do you use btw? |
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| 00:40.57 | ralze | ttl-: thought about drivers for your graphic cards? might be a fall back or something to the highest generic resolution |
| 00:41.00 | ttl- | ati |
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| 00:42.21 | ttl- | ATI mobility radeon 9000 |
| 00:42.46 | ralze | did you install the drivers for it? |
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| 00:43.08 | ttl- | i think the installer did |
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| 00:43.59 | ralze | hm. is the adapter mentioned in the xorg.conf? |
| 00:44.32 | \amethyst | ttl-: could you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe? |
| 00:44.40 | streuner | ttl-: laptop? |
| 00:44.53 | protoloco | Hello, does any body know which are the diferences using mysql with XEN and without it.. with multi-processors..? |
| 00:44.54 | ttl- | streuner: yes |
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| 00:45.28 | \amethyst | protoloco: ##xen and #mysql might know if no one here does |
| 00:45.57 | \amethyst | oh, I see you're already in those channels |
| 00:46.53 | Starwatcher | hi all, this is driving me nuts. I can't get the session clock to agree with the system clock as local, the UTC option seems to being used but the rcS files says it's not. help anyone lol |
| 00:46.59 | ttl- | \amethyst: ok, one moment please |
| 00:47.32 | Starwatcher | i should say that I am using etch and kde |
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| 00:47.48 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: does date --utc; return something appropriate? |
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| 00:48.43 | Starwatcher | Mon Feb 11 19:47:27 UTC 2008 ---- it show this |
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| 00:48.53 | dondelelcaro | uh... well, that's totally wrong. |
| 00:49.00 | Starwatcher | shows UTC as on but the R |
| 00:49.07 | \amethyst | Starwatcher: and what timezone are you in? |
| 00:49.24 | Starwatcher | eastern detroit |
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| 00:49.57 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: are you dual booting? |
| 00:50.04 | Starwatcher | yes |
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| 00:50.13 | \amethyst | Starwatcher: so your hardware clock is set to EST but the OS thinks it is UTC, so it subtracts an extra five hours |
| 00:50.26 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: and what does grep UTC /etc/default/rcS; return? |
| 00:50.35 | \amethyst | Starwatcher: I'm guessing you have UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS ? |
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| 00:51.06 | Starwatcher | yes but the thing is on the login clock it has the right time and in firefox it has the right time but I can't get the app to show the right time |
| 00:51.11 | ttl- | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/900596 |
| 00:51.22 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: that doesn't matter. Your problem is with the system lock. |
| 00:51.25 | dondelelcaro | s/lock/clock/ |
| 00:51.32 | \amethyst | Starwatcher: set the date correctly (for example, using ntp or ntpdate), then do invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh stop |
| 00:51.34 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: if you fix the system clock, everything else will suddenly start working. |
| 00:51.40 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: that's actually not necessary. |
| 00:52.02 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: how would you recommend setting the hardware clock? |
| 00:52.10 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: his hardware clock is set properly |
| 00:52.29 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: oh, so you'de recommend setting UTC=no ? |
| 00:52.33 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: yes. |
| 00:52.38 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: since he's dual booting |
| 00:52.41 | \amethyst | aha |
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| 00:52.46 | \amethyst | I missed the dual booting thing |
| 00:52.56 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: change the UTC=yes to UTC=no, and then run /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start; |
| 00:53.00 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: then run date --utc |
| 00:53.03 | \amethyst | Starwatcher: yeah, do what dondelcaro suggests and just change that to UTC=no |
| 00:53.13 | Starwatcher | hardware is fine, xp show the time correctly and the login in clock show it fine and the firfox app shows it fine but apps does not |
| 00:53.19 | \amethyst | Starwatcher: that setting is more compatible with Windows |
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| 00:53.37 | Joelito | Hi all, anyone know when is going to be release debian 4.0r3 and if is it going to have on the DVD set the kde4.0? |
| 00:53.44 | StyXman | hi all. I was told that if I have a bad sector in a lvm volume, the whole physical volume goes down. is that right? I mean not what would be the lvm structures, but a bad sector anywhere in the volume. is that so? |
| 00:53.45 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: yes, so follow my instructions, and it'll all start working. |
| 00:53.48 | themill | !tell Joelito about kde4 |
| 00:53.48 | Starwatcher | UTC is already set to no in rcS |
| 00:54.05 | \amethyst | Starwatcher: was it already set to that, or did you just change it? |
| 00:54.20 | Starwatcher | it was all ready set to that |
| 00:54.23 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:54.26 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: so what does hwclock --utc output? |
| 00:54.32 | enouf | vmwarez?/ |
| 00:54.43 | enouf | vmwarez has a bug |
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| 00:54.59 | Joelito | themill: ??? |
| 00:55.04 | Starwatcher | no cammand |
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| 00:55.09 | bolt | How can I make the auth service only listen to localhost? Currently, port 113 shows as open for remote hosts. |
| 00:55.09 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: as root. |
| 00:55.23 | themill | Joelito: what of it? |
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| 00:56.03 | Joelito | themill: Oh, the bot :p |
| 00:56.09 | Starwatcher | Mon 11 Feb 2008 07:55:01 PM UTC -0.168278 seconds= hwclock |
| 00:56.26 | Joelito | themill: ok, the anwser one question, the other, when is going to relase r3? |
| 00:56.46 | themill | Joelito: real soon now, as I understand it. |
| 00:56.58 | phix | hey |
| 00:57.02 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: and if you go hwclock --hctosys --local; date --utc; what's the output? |
| 00:57.28 | enouf | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 vmware and mpoop virtual server, i guess |
| 00:57.35 | enouf | "After you install a Linux-based virtual machine in Microsoft Virtual Server 2005 R2, the system time in the Linux guest operating system runs too fast. For example, the current time in the Linux guest operating system may advance by one minute approximately every 48 seconds. After some time, the Linux-based virtual machine resets the clock to the correct time." |
| 00:57.44 | Joelito | themill: Is there a site where can I see not the packages updates, the actually packages the come in each DVD set? |
| 00:57.49 | Starwatcher | Mon Feb 11 19:56:48 UTC 2008 |
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| 00:58.47 | themill | !tell Joelito about which cd |
| 00:58.53 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: this is after running hwclock --hctosys --local? |
| 00:59.01 | Starwatcher | yes |
| 00:59.26 | Joelito | themill: funny bot, thanks :) |
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| 00:59.27 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: is there any error message output when you run hwclock --hctosys --local? |
| 00:59.35 | Starwatcher | nope |
| 00:59.50 | themill | Joelito: np |
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| 01:01.33 | yulita | alguien sabe de algun comando para reiniciar la impresora |
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| 01:01.47 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: use a paste site to paste the output of hwclock --debug --local --show; |
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| 01:02.11 | mrtsunami | yulita, #debian-es |
| 01:02.23 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: and actually, it should have been hwclock --local --hctosys; |
| 01:02.38 | ralze | are the weekly builds of testing as generic as the daily ones? |
| 01:02.49 | dondelelcaro | ralze: what do you mean by "generic"? |
| 01:03.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, my X doesnt load at boot, I have reinstalled it and updated rc.d scripts, can you help me how to fix it? |
| 01:03.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, X doesnt load at boot, this is the problem... remember you asked me_ |
| 01:03.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ? |
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| 01:03.55 | DeathWolf | what was the url for the vmsplice hotpatch already?(was there any hotpatch actually?) |
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| 01:04.36 | Starwatcher | dondelelcaro #flood |
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| 01:05.05 | ralze | dondelelcaro: (sorry, not a native speaker) is a daily build on monday the same as the weekly build (that is build on monday afaik)? |
| 01:05.06 | antum | Hi there, I'm actually running Debian in Parallels under OSX, my problem is that I can get online with it, but I can't ping the host machine (osx) and not sure why? |
| 01:05.14 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: ok, and run hwclock --local --hctosys; date --utc; and see what the deal is |
| 01:05.14 | wng- | I'm trying to install flashplugin on a new install of etch, and am using backports, but it keeps complaining about nspluginwrapper and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 01:05.31 | ralze | antum: can you ping your OSX machine? |
| 01:05.37 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: is there an error ? |
| 01:05.49 | dondelelcaro | ralze: I'm not entirely sure, actually. But that bit is only the installer that matters. |
| 01:06.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, nop in messages nor syslog |
| 01:06.18 | antum | ralze that's what I;m trying to do.... I can't... |
| 01:06.28 | abrotman | antum: can OSX ping it? |
| 01:06.45 | Starwatcher | there you go |
| 01:06.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, in the xorg log I see that: ould not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! |
| 01:06.58 | ralze | antum: i think osx is not answering to ping by default. |
| 01:07.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Could* |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: aptitude install xorg ? |
| 01:07.32 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: that should be hwclock --localtime --hctosys; |
| 01:07.44 | ralze | antum: i think the setting is somewhere by the firewall dialog... (but i am not sure at all) |
| 01:07.46 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, nothign to do |
| 01:08.04 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: try again with hwclock --localtime --hctosys; date --utc; |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: on sid? |
| 01:08.09 | antum | abrotman no I can't ping it... it seems to be on a different subnet? |
| 01:08.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, lenny |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | antum: if parallels works like qemu .. it runs it on another subnet .. you'd have to bridge to make it work IIRC .. but i don't use parallels |
| 01:08.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, how do I find out if gdm is running in the runlevel 2? |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: so there's nohting in the gdm log or the Xorg.0.log ? |
| 01:09.07 | antum | abrotman ok thanks for your help I'll go have a play |
| 01:09.14 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, /var/log/gdm is empty |
| 01:09.35 | Starwatcher | hwclock --localtime --hctosys does not return any output |
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| 01:10.07 | plundra | How do I append options to a driver that I've built in to the kernel? |
| 01:10.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, there are the last lines of xorg log: http://pastebin.ca/900613 |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: is xfonts-cyrillic installed ? |
| 01:12.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, noup |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | installit? |
| 01:12.40 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, done |
| 01:12.46 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: that's rather odd. Can you give the output of hwclock --debug --localtime --hctosys ? |
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| 01:13.06 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: does X start? |
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| 01:13.20 | Starwatcher | i'll show you rcS too |
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| 01:13.33 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I dont have that pkg in my desktop installed but gdm works |
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| 01:13.44 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: you're the one that mentioned it! |
| 01:13.47 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, let me reboot the laptop |
| 01:14.19 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, lets see |
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| 01:15.05 | Starwatcher | dondelelcaro there you go |
| 01:15.23 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: wait, what do you have TZ set to in that shell? |
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| 01:15.44 | Starwatcher | ???? |
| 01:15.56 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: and what does zdump /etc/localtime; output? |
| 01:16.14 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, gdm doesnt load.. |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: what if you try "startx" as a normal user ? |
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| 01:16.44 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, doing that the X do load |
| 01:16.54 | abrotman | so it's a GDM issue? |
| 01:16.59 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, but I want gdm to wokrs |
| 01:17.05 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, yes, gdm issue |
| 01:17.05 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: run tzselect and pick your proper timezone, then rerun hwclock --localtime --hctosys; and everything will be correct. |
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| 01:17.31 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, besides ...I tried installing xdm... and it dindt load either |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | but X works |
| 01:17.44 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: you've basically told the system that your hwclock is in localtime, but you've gone and set the local timezone to UTC, which just isn't going to work. |
| 01:18.04 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, yes... so we have a login manager issue |
| 01:18.13 | wng- | I'm trying to install flashplugin on a new install of etch, and am using backports, but it keeps complaining about nspluginwrapper and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 01:18.39 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: what number does gdm have in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
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| 01:19.09 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, S30gdm |
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| 01:19.43 | ianm_ | where does postfix store mail in the filesystem? |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gdm |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | ianm_: depends how you configured it |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: and there's no useful log? at all? |
| 01:20.24 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, noup |
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| 01:20.40 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, do you want me to report a bug? |
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| 01:20.49 | abrotman | not yet |
| 01:20.57 | ianm_ | abrotman: ah good point, I found the dir in the .cf file |
| 01:21.03 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, ok |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: lok through the bugs .. see if any look the same |
| 01:21.17 | Starwatcher | it is giving me the wrong time for EST as 15:19:02, which it show be 20:19:02 |
| 01:21.30 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, what number does gdm should have in /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | 30 is fine |
| 01:22.04 | ianm_ | can you guys recommend a good command line app for reading mail from postfix / pop3? (my laptop HD is dying and I can't open up Evolution, but I could SSH in to the box to read mail) |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | mutt ? |
| 01:22.21 | Starwatcher | it's is taking the system clock as still being UTC |
| 01:22.37 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, is not a gdm issue.... I've tried with xdm |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | not an X issue .. X starts |
| 01:23.21 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: you could strace it .. |
| 01:23.32 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, what if I try installing kdm |
| 01:23.38 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: strace -o /tmp/gdm.log /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 01:25.05 | \amethyst | abrotman: how's stracing the shell script supposed to help? |
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| 01:25.20 | abrotman | oh bah .. damn you |
| 01:25.24 | Starwatcher | dondelelcaro that did not work |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | \amethyst: stop making sense! |
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| 01:26.11 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: what does zdump /etc/localtime say now? |
| 01:26.21 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: and what does date; date --utc; say? |
| 01:26.29 | \amethyst | abrotman: This ain't no party, this ain't no disco |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | \amethyst: square dance! |
| 01:26.51 | dvs | This is L.A. |
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| 01:27.37 | Starwatcher | dondelelcaro ther you go |
| 01:28.06 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/900631 |
| 01:28.21 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: sorry, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; and pick the right timezone. You're still using UTC. |
| 01:28.34 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: when you've got it right, date; will return something that is not UTC. |
| 01:28.46 | dondelelcaro | (and then hwclock --localtime --hctosys; will work) |
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| 01:29.41 | abrotman | why would gdm start look at /proc/meminfo ... |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: \amethyst says i'm dumb .. let's try running the actual binary :) |
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| 01:30.46 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, what do I have to do |
| 01:31.21 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: what does /etc/X11/default-display-manager say ? |
| 01:31.55 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, /usr/bin/gdm |
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| 01:33.05 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: /usr/sbin/gdm (as root) |
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| 01:33.31 | Starwatcher | <dondelelcaro>I just tried txconfig it still see the system clock as being UTC and set accordinglly |
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| 01:34.14 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, no such file.... there is no gdm file in /usr/bin |
| 01:34.23 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: /usr/sbin/gdm (as root) |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | see the 's' |
| 01:34.32 | gonzaloaf | ooohh |
| 01:34.49 | \amethyst | hmm... didn't it use to be in /usr/bin ? |
| 01:34.55 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, gdm loaded! |
| 01:34.55 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: you use lenny or sid? |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: lovely .. now what? |
| 01:35.07 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, lenny |
| 01:35.09 | Joelito | anyone know a package or tool that will help me create makefiles? |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | vi! |
| 01:35.15 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: change that /etc/X11/default-display-manager file to say /usr/sbin/gdm instead of /usr/bin |
| 01:35.23 | jim | to what degree is building nvidia driver into a debian pkg on topic here? I'm getting a build error; log is at http://jam.sessionsnet.org/files/download/nvidia-build-log.txt?version_id=10785 |
| 01:35.24 | dvs | !lart abrotman |
| 01:35.27 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, so where is the problem now? |
| 01:35.27 | abrotman | \amethyst: mine is set to /usr/bin/gdm .. and works finew |
| 01:35.34 | Shadow_7 | so, is IRQF_DISABLED the same thing as SA_INTERRUPT? for 2.6.24. And IRQF_SHARED for SA_SHIRQ. Making those changes seem to fix my compile problem on ancient martian win-modem drivers for lucent/agere. |
| 01:35.36 | \amethyst | abrotman: you're using lenny or sid? |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | \amethyst: lenny .. the init script sets the correct path |
| 01:35.51 | abrotman | or .. mine does anyway |
| 01:36.05 | abrotman | so does his |
| 01:36.12 | \amethyst | abrotman: hm.. yeah, my sid init script ignores the path and only looks at the basename |
| 01:36.15 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:36.23 | \amethyst | but what if he has an old init script |
| 01:36.27 | \amethyst | it is a conffile after all |
| 01:36.30 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, abrotman, whose fault? |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | yours |
| 01:36.37 | gonzaloaf | why? |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: purge gdm .. reinstall it |
| 01:36.45 | gonzaloaf | I never touched that file |
| 01:36.49 | abrotman | wait .. no |
| 01:36.50 | ianm_ | can you guys recommend a command line (curses?) email client? |
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| 01:36.53 | abrotman | \amethyst: his xdm also fails |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | ianm_: mutt |
| 01:36.56 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I did it in the afternoon |
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| 01:37.09 | \amethyst | abrotman: starting it by hand or from the init script? |
| 01:37.21 | mutable | hello, i have a problem with genisoimage (growisofs), i want to add some dirs from my fs to some root dir on image (e.g. "data"): $ genisoimage -r data ../../sth1 dirx/sth2, however if sth* is directory, it will add contents of this dir instead of the dir itself, somebody help please... |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | init script i assume .. since manual gdm just worked |
| 01:37.26 | mutable | i didn't find any info about it in man page, and google returned just garbage... |
| 01:37.26 | jim | ianm_: mail |
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| 01:37.44 | \amethyst | abrotman: if default-display-manager is gdm, the xdm init script isn't supposed to work |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | \amethyst: he said it .. not me |
| 01:37.59 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, I changed the bin for sbin, rebooted and gdm still doesnt start at boot |
| 01:38.01 | ianm_ | jim: mail uses curses? |
| 01:38.19 | abrotman | \amethyst: SEE .. iamcrazy! |
| 01:38.20 | jim | no idea |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | wait . no |
| 01:38.24 | Starwatcher | dondelelcaro thanks for the help I have to walk away from this for a bit, it's just not being logical |
| 01:38.30 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: and what does ls /etc/init.d/rc$(runlevel).d/*gdm say? |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | it's 30 |
| 01:38.41 | ianm_ | abrotman: how do you add pop3 account to mutt? via the gui or conf file? |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | ianm_: oh .. you'd have ot use fetchmail |
| 01:39.09 | brep | Hi,there. I've got a problem on wireless interface configuration. The wireless card is a broadcom4311, I've installed ndiswrapper and managed to connect to internet with it. But I got "problem loading page" in iceweasel very frequently, the error message is "The connection was reset", I have to reload the page several times to display it. Any idea about the problem? |
| 01:39.11 | ianm_ | abrotman: is there no curses GUI mail client like Evolution? |
| 01:39.12 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: err, that won't work... ls /etc/init.d/rc2.d/*gdm assuming you're using runlevel 2 |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | ianm_: packages.debian.org/etch/mail |
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| 01:39.41 | h6w | Hey, upgrading from sarge to etch. Got a conflict between libpam-modules and passwd. Error message says "trying to overwrite /usr/share/man/man5/limits.conf.5.gz which is also in package passwd" |
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| 01:39.43 | jim | ianm_, you could look into mh, that's a mail client broken down into many cmdline progs |
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| 01:39.58 | h6w | What should I do? |
| 01:40.04 | h6w | It's blocking the upgrade. |
| 01:40.06 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, that path doesnt exist |
| 01:40.11 | h6w | I've tried apt-get -f install. |
| 01:40.21 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: grr, I mistyped it twice |
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| 01:40.27 | jim | you could remove the offending pkg |
| 01:40.29 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: /etc/rc2.d/*gdm |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:40.42 | h6w | libpam-modules? Is that not dangerous? |
| 01:40.45 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, gaf3:~# ls /etc/rc2.d/*gdm* ----> /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm |
| 01:40.54 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: ... so it should be starting |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm |
| 01:41.02 | h6w | I thought they were both integral. |
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| 01:41.03 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, but it doesnt |
| 01:41.09 | Shadow_7 | h6w: you could in the short term # dpkg --purge --force-all <package> /// Just be sure to reinstall it before you reboot. |
| 01:41.15 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: ... try running sh -x /etc/init.d/gdm start > logfile and pastebinning that |
| 01:41.23 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2008-02-11 16:45 /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm -> ../init.d/gdm |
| 01:41.24 | \amethyst | PEOPLE |
| 01:41.30 | Shadow_7 | h6w: and don't do that on libc6 and friends. |
| 01:41.31 | jim | which one is part of the old thing you're trying to upgrade |
| 01:41.33 | h6w | ok, cool. I'll try that. Thanks! |
| 01:41.33 | \amethyst | don't tell people to uninstall libpam-modules |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | who did that |
| 01:41.49 | abrotman | jim: you can't do that |
| 01:41.51 | h6w | oh. |
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| 01:41.54 | \amethyst | jim and Shadow_7 |
| 01:42.04 | jim | then how can he continue? |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 01:42.09 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | even tohugh that hsouldn't happen |
| 01:42.17 | jim | I guess he might as well reformat... right? |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | oh whatever |
| 01:42.28 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, ok |
| 01:42.33 | \amethyst | h6w: what versions of the conflicting packages do you have/are you trying to install? |
| 01:42.41 | h6w | groovy. That sounds like a less dangerous solution. |
| 01:42.45 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, as root? |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | h6w: show us your sources |
| 01:42.53 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: yes |
| 01:43.08 | jim | abrotman: I'm not ranting at you, I'm ranting because there must be a solution |
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| 01:43.15 | \amethyst | h6w: it sounds like some kind of version mismatch |
| 01:43.39 | lobao | Hi, i have a 2 Mbps connect and the mtu that is automatic configured is 576 instead of 1500, somebody have a idea why this happen? |
| 01:43.41 | h6w | libpam-modules 0.76.22 |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | jim: /msg dpkg overwrite .. but he shouldn't need it here |
| 01:43.46 | h6w | Can't see a version of passwd. |
| 01:43.52 | Shadow_7 | Like the generated java package from java-package not requiring libstdc++5, even though the java applet plugin fails without it. |
| 01:43.58 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, http://pastebin.ca/900647 |
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| 01:43.59 | jim | true |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | \amethyst: your log was worse than my strace :) |
| 01:44.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hello all I am trying to make mythtv work on debian lenny. I installed ivtv-modules-2.6.22-3-k7 and ivtv-utils but I still don`t have a /dev/video0. Anyone know why this would be? |
| 01:44.26 | gonzaloaf | lol |
| 01:44.29 | jim | is etch after sarge? I keep forgetting, or is there something inbetween |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | jim: which is why i asked for his sources .. which he didn't give |
| 01:44.35 | sier | How do I install firefox2?? I did " apt-get install firefox", and it installed one browser called iceweasel.. but it does not have all options :( |
| 01:44.36 | Shadow_7 | And slune required some sdl stuff that didn't get grabbed as a dep. |
| 01:44.44 | jim | ahh |
| 01:44.47 | jim | I gotcha |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | sier: Debian has iceweasel |
| 01:44.53 | \amethyst | h6w: what version of passwd? |
| 01:45.03 | abrotman | Shadow_7: quit yapping .. go file |
| 01:45.08 | sier | iceweasel = no options, "setup" tab or something like that.. :( |
| 01:45.09 | abrotman | speaking of which ... |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | sier: huh ? |
| 01:45.14 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: did you run it with sh -x ? |
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| 01:45.36 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, yes.... many lines painted in the screen.... but nothing in the log :p |
| 01:45.44 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: Ohh, that stuff must go to stderr |
| 01:45.49 | h6w | Yay. Thanks abrotman, that worked. |
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| 01:45.52 | sier | like if you go: tools, doesn't have the option settings.. to setup like, home url, and configurations.. |
| 01:45.59 | abrotman | h6w: i'd still like to see your sources |
| 01:46.00 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: try sh -x /etc/init.d/gdm start 2>&1 >logfile |
| 01:46.08 | jim | cool :) what worked? --force-overwrite? |
| 01:46.13 | JoeThomas | Hi, ehh lm-sensors is teling me that my CPU Temp is 141.8 °F |
| 01:46.40 | jim | JoeThomas: yay! let's scramble eggs on it! |
| 01:46.42 | h6w | abrotmans "!overwrite" message |
| 01:46.53 | JoeThomas | jim: haha, hardware issue? or just configuration you think? |
| 01:46.53 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, same thing... empty log |
| 01:46.56 | Shadow_7 | or boil water at altitude |
| 01:47.09 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: I'm being stupid today |
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| 01:47.15 | jim | JoeThomas, probably config |
| 01:47.21 | dvs | JoeThomas: so that's about 62C? |
| 01:47.21 | JoeThomas | jim: alright. |
| 01:47.27 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: sh -x /etc/init.d/gdm start >logfile 2>&1 # maybe I'll get it right eventually |
| 01:47.28 | Bushmills | JoeThomas: hot, but not extreme |
| 01:47.29 | JoeThomas | dvs: exactly |
| 01:47.36 | jim | if it's really that hot it's already dead probably and you're not here :) |
| 01:47.48 | JoeThomas | Bushmills: ya, i figured maybe i should turn on the heater too ehh? |
| 01:47.55 | dvs | It's like one of those early AMD CPUs. |
| 01:48.01 | Shadow_7 | JoeThomas: seems normal to me actually. My old laptop ran 50C-80C. Considering that 21C is room temp 70F, ..... |
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| 01:48.25 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, http://pastebin.ca/900649 |
| 01:48.32 | Bushmills | 142 F is 61 C |
| 01:48.34 | Bushmills | not too bad |
| 01:48.49 | jim | hmm, so maybe it is that hot |
| 01:49.02 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: aha |
| 01:49.03 | JoeThomas | yea, i found it a bit odd to comprehend that my server is running 142F |
| 01:49.18 | dvs | jim: What type of CPU? |
| 01:49.22 | Bushmills | JoeThomas: what's the cpu load? |
| 01:49.23 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: when you installed splashy it messed up your gdm init scripts somehow |
| 01:49.28 | Bushmills | in top, for example |
| 01:49.33 | up365 | sier, all the options are under EDIT tab - preferences |
| 01:49.34 | jim | dvs: check with JoeThomas |
| 01:49.39 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: could you pastebin that init script? |
| 01:49.42 | dvs | JoeThomas: what type of CPU? |
| 01:49.57 | JoeThomas | dvs: Intel P4 |
| 01:50.00 | sier | thanks up365 :) |
| 01:50.12 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, where is it? |
| 01:50.12 | jim | that could be that hot |
| 01:50.19 | up365 | sier, np |
| 01:50.23 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 01:50.40 | JoeThomas | jim: really?\ |
| 01:50.50 | \amethyst | dvs: sensors |
| 01:50.57 | JoeThomas | ^^ |
| 01:51.06 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, http://pastebin.ca/900652 |
| 01:51.10 | \amethyst | dvs: that's the name of the command, I mean |
| 01:51.15 | dvs | 34.5C |
| 01:51.23 | dvs | not even 100 |
| 01:51.42 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: okay, now I'm confused |
| 01:51.51 | jim | so I'm getting more serious about getting some RME hammerfall stuff... to start with, a multiface and the 8 mic pres and two computer interfaces |
| 01:51.52 | Bushmills | 94 F |
| 01:52.03 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, maybe removing splashy |
| 01:52.20 | dvs | 2.6GHz P4 |
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| 01:52.26 | jim | spensive... so I'm still looking for opinions from RME hdsp owners that use multiface or digiface |
| 01:52.37 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.49 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: I can't even tell where splashy is being called from... it's not mentioned in the init script you pasted, but it is being mentioned in the log |
| 01:52.59 | jim | damn I forgot to ask Nyle last nite |
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| 01:53.20 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, maybe because in the afternoon I purged gdm and reinstalled again |
| 01:53.50 | JoeThomas | my machines only been up for 3 hours |
| 01:53.54 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: right, but the logfile you pastebinned was just a few minutes ago, and it is doing something related to splashy |
| 01:54.25 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, should I remove splashy? |
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| 01:54.33 | jim | to what degree is building nvidia driver into a debian pkg on topic here? I'm getting a build error; log is at http://jam.sessionsnet.org/files/download/nvidia-build-log.txt?version_id=10785 |
| 01:54.39 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: it would be worth trying |
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| 01:55.17 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, it was removed, lol |
| 01:55.21 | Shadow_7 | jim: the alsa-users mailing list is probably a good place to look / ask. |
| 01:55.37 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, what's the next step brain? |
| 01:55.52 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: oh, hm... and even now /etc/init.d/gdm start doesn't work? |
| 01:56.02 | jim | gonzaloaf: Try to Take Over the World! |
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| 01:56.14 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, noup |
| 01:56.20 | gonzaloaf | jim, lol |
| 01:56.32 | gonzaloaf | jim, I just want to take over gdm |
| 01:56.33 | JoeThomas | hmm, been running john for 3 hours now, and still no result of cracking my password :) |
| 01:56.53 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: does grep splashy /lib/lsb/init-functions print anything? |
| 01:57.16 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, nothing |
| 01:57.25 | pedro__ | hi, my lenny postgresql updated to 8.3. I still have 8.2 running. Do they share already created databases ? |
| 01:57.53 | jim | pedro__ probably |
| 01:57.54 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: hm... something there is trying to run splashy..... what is the size on your /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 01:57.57 | \amethyst | pedro__: usually not |
| 01:58.06 | h6w | Password version is *drum roll* 4.1.0-2 |
| 01:58.16 | jim | I don't think you'd have to dump/restore until 9 |
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| 01:58.20 | pedro__ | \amethyst, i do believe that its true |
| 01:58.25 | jim | let me check |
| 01:58.30 | \amethyst | h6w: wait, you were upgrading from what version to what version |
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| 01:58.33 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, 304524 |
| 01:58.37 | \amethyst | pedro__: they usually use different clusters |
| 01:58.42 | h6w | I have no idea. Some sarge release. |
| 01:58.51 | \amethyst | h6w: and what version are you upgrading to? |
| 01:58.55 | h6w | etch |
| 01:59.07 | \amethyst | h6w: then why is it trying to install 4.1.0-2 ? |
| 01:59.10 | pedro__ | /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/... |
| 01:59.10 | \amethyst | h6w: that's from lenny |
| 01:59.16 | h6w | ah. |
| 01:59.31 | jim | pedro: ahh, yes you do according to someone on #postgresql |
| 01:59.34 | h6w | ok. I must have done something wrong then. |
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| 01:59.53 | \amethyst | h6w: try installing specifically passwd=1:4.0.18.1-7 (the etch version) and see if that helps |
| 02:00.01 | sier | how do I know which KDE version I have? |
| 02:00.07 | h6w | Nah, it seems ok now. |
| 02:00.08 | sier | 3.5 :P |
| 02:00.08 | jim | you have to dump from 8.2 (which means 8.2 needs to be running) |
| 02:00.15 | h6w | My problem is different. |
| 02:00.24 | pedro__ | i saw you there jim, ;) tx |
| 02:00.29 | \amethyst | pedro__: or use pg_upgradecluster |
| 02:00.39 | pedro__ | \amethyst, nice, i'll do it |
| 02:00.40 | h6w | I'm in rescue mode. It's complaining that it can't see /proc |
| 02:00.43 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, 304K |
| 02:01.04 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: yeah, that eliminates one guess I had, which is that splashy had replaced the gdm binary |
| 02:01.06 | dondelelcaro | h6w: so mount -t proc proc /proc; |
| 02:01.08 | pedro__ | tx jim, \amethyst |
| 02:01.29 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, splashy is dead |
| 02:01.35 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: apparently *some* part of splashy is still installed, because of the logfile output |
| 02:01.49 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: but I have no clue where that would be |
| 02:02.00 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, maybe reinstall splashy and purge it again |
| 02:02.02 | h6w | I did a mount -tproc none proc but it gave the error message "mount point proc does not exist" |
| 02:02.18 | h6w | So I mkdir /proc and it says it's already there. |
| 02:02.24 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: hmm... that's not likely to help, but you can try |
| 02:02.37 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: maybe grep splashy /etc/init.d/* ? |
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| 02:04.20 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: at this point, I'd recommend finding someone who knows splashing, showing them the logfile and mentioning that you had uninstalled splashy, and seeing if they know what's going on |
| 02:04.29 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: s/splashing/splashy/ |
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| 02:05.13 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, http://pastebin.ca/900665 |
| 02:05.37 | quitte_ | hi. is there a convenient way to have $home in sync on a nfs server and on the local hdd? |
| 02:06.01 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: not without using a replication filesystem |
| 02:06.32 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: so abusing unionfs or afs is not possible? the network filesystem itself has to suppot that? |
| 02:06.38 | quitte_ | err aufs |
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| 02:06.56 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: oh, you can use them on top of nfs |
| 02:06.58 | justin | quitte_: do you have more than one machine accessing this home share, or just one? |
| 02:07.03 | \amethyst | quitte_: unionfs doesn't keep them in sync, though |
| 02:07.19 | quitte_ | justin: usually only one with write access |
| 02:07.33 | wng- | how do I figure out what "Device" to use in my xorg.conf for a new usb mouse, dmesg | tail says something about /class/input/input5, is that it? |
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| 02:07.56 | quitte_ | justin: and i wouldt mind assuming that this was always the case |
| 02:07.57 | justin | quitte_: maybe you just want to keep the data on your local machine and back up the data to the server regularly? |
| 02:08.37 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: what I personally do is use a VCS to store my home directory and rsync to move huge files that aren't in it. |
| 02:08.38 | quitte_ | justin: something in the way that windws saves its settings on logout to the server? |
| 02:08.59 | iateadonut | i'm sure someone's made an application that grabs the list of debian mirrors, performs netselect, and then updates the /etc/sources.list file appropriately. where can i get that application? |
| 02:09.06 | dondelelcaro | !apt-spy |
| 02:09.06 | dpkg | apt-spy is probably a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 02:10.08 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: with a vcs id have a very high risk of the needed space to explode,though? |
| 02:10.09 | iateadonut | thanks, dpkg. you are a gentleman and a scholar. |
| 02:10.16 | gonzaloaf | thanks \amethyst |
| 02:10.23 | jim | dpkg: bot? |
| 02:10.23 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 02:10.59 | iateadonut | (yes, i was facetiously thanking dondelelcaro) |
| 02:11.10 | jim | ahh |
| 02:11.10 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: a bit, but since I usually work with text files, it's no biggie. |
| 02:11.15 | PiousMinion | How do I tell etch to run fsck on my root filesystem when it reboots? |
| 02:11.23 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: it's really suited well when you have mulitple machines and you want the same files on all of them. |
| 02:11.32 | iateadonut | How do I make etch NOT run fsck? |
| 02:11.35 | iateadonut | on boot. |
| 02:11.36 | dondelelcaro | PiousMinion: with shutdown -F |
| 02:11.38 | jim | just put the numbers right in /etc/fstab |
| 02:11.46 | nevyn | PiousMinion: what filesystem |
| 02:11.49 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: you *want* it to fsck. |
| 02:11.55 | iateadonut | probably not. |
| 02:11.59 | PiousMinion | nevyn: root, ext3 |
| 02:12.04 | iateadonut | my daughters love to turn on and off my computer when i'm not looking. |
| 02:12.12 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: all the more reason to fsck it. |
| 02:12.16 | iateadonut | they especially love to turn it off in the middle of an fsck. |
| 02:12.21 | nevyn | PiousMinion: if it's ext? you can set the number of times the filesystem is mounted before fsck |
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| 02:12.55 | quitte_ | dondelelcaro: yes that might be something i could look into for my own needs. but as i was thinking about users that are likely to download videos and things like that that wont work. what would replicating filesystems be? coda and afs? |
| 02:12.55 | iateadonut | i will make an xmessage cron every month or so that tells me to fsck myself. how's that for a compromise? |
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| 02:13.29 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: that's not the point. If your system has been turned off randomly, you need to verify that the filesystem is still in a state where it can be written to properly. |
| 02:13.40 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: GFS is the one that I've been playing with personally. |
| 02:13.56 | PiousMinion | nevyn: The system rarely reboots. I'm getting errors 'now'. :P will try shutdown -F for now as dondelelcaro suggested. thanks |
| 02:13.59 | DocPlatypus | iateadonut: the solution to that is that little girls caught messing with your computer get grounded for a week |
| 02:14.24 | dondelelcaro | or you ditch the on/off switch and use locking power connectors |
| 02:14.26 | nevyn | PiousMinion: so a combination of -c 1 and running something that runs tune2fs -C 2 before the check will do it. |
| 02:14.36 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't use tune2fs |
| 02:14.49 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 02:14.54 | jim | why? |
| 02:15.16 | quitte_ | sigh. gleichwertge fetstellung von shülerleistungen |
| 02:15.23 | dondelelcaro | because in this instance, a far better method exists |
| 02:15.24 | nevyn | it's ugly and fs dependant but.. for this I think it's sane. |
| 02:15.28 | nevyn | ok... |
| 02:15.43 | dondelelcaro | the method is shutdown -F, which touches /forcefsck which is read on reboot by the init scripts |
| 02:16.05 | nevyn | but I thought he was asking for a general method. that was automated |
| 02:16.21 | iateadonut | don, or i could chain my daughters up in the closet. |
| 02:16.39 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: that would result in a visit from child services. Not entirely recommended. |
| 02:16.47 | iateadonut | i live in china. |
| 02:16.56 | iateadonut | the state has no right to your children. |
| 02:17.06 | iateadonut | under any circumstances. |
| 02:17.13 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 02:18.01 | jim | well... if you want to do that, I guess you won't get hassled by the govt... |
| 02:18.03 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: right, if he wanted it on every boot, that's a reasonable method. |
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| 02:18.37 | jim | but maybe having a rackmount machine where they can't get at would be a better solution |
| 02:18.56 | jim | turning the computer off and on isnt good for the hd |
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| 02:21.43 | auto359 | on debian etch, i want to remove all instances of mysql packages from my system, aptitude remove mysql* doesn't work, nor does dpkg --purge mysql ... ow do i remove 40 plus mysql packages? |
| 02:21.47 | auto359 | how do* |
| 02:22.24 | dondelelcaro | auto359: if you've been using aptitude, it's just aptitude remove mysql-server; or mysql-client; or whatever the mysql package you installed is. |
| 02:23.22 | dondelelcaro | auto359: otherwise, aptitude purge libmysql*; will remove all of the mysql packages (and anything else that uses mysql). |
| 02:23.25 | auto359 | dondelelcaro: so i have to id every package to remove? no blanket ri-em-all out? |
| 02:23.30 | Eagleray | auto359: apt-get remove ^mysql-* |
| 02:23.39 | auto359 | dondelelcaro: ta |
| 02:24.00 | Eagleray | auto359: apt-get --purge remove ^-mysql-* if you also want to remove config data |
| 02:24.12 | auto359 | Eagleray: ta also |
| 02:26.23 | iateadonut | where did my sources.list go? |
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| 02:27.38 | auto359 | sudo find / -iname sources.list |
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| 02:28.06 | iateadonut | yeah. i just did a find|grep 'sources.list' - is that just as fast? |
| 02:28.12 | abrotman | iateadonut: it should be /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:28.22 | jeremy_c | I am running Exim (4.63) on my debian server and just got blocked via att (http://www.att.net/bls_rbl/). I looked though my server logs and can find nothing wrong. Any ideas on how to go about figuring out what happened? What should I be looking for? |
| 02:28.26 | iateadonut | anyway, i was looking at the wrong linux root directory (i dual boot a few of them.) |
| 02:28.35 | auto359 | iateadonut: haha |
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| 02:30.05 | abrotman | jeremy_c: you're on a DHCP address pool |
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| 02:30.34 | jeremy_c | Yes, I am. But this is on my server. |
| 02:30.38 | jeremy_c | My server is not. |
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| 02:31.18 | \amethyst | jeremy_c: did you go to "Tools for administrators of mail systems whose messages have been blocked." |
| 02:31.21 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 02:31.49 | jeremy_c | Yes. and it gives you a form to say what you did to correct the problem. I can't find a problem so I am reluctant to say I corrected it. |
| 02:31.59 | jeremy_c | att.net is offering no information that I can find. |
| 02:32.33 | \amethyst | jeremy_c: does the message say "Blocked for abuse"? |
| 02:32.43 | Gm4n | Is the linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 update to resolve the local root exploit? (I already have kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64) |
| 02:32.48 | jeremy_c | \amethyst: yes it does. |
| 02:32.59 | \amethyst | jeremy_c: do you share an IP address or an IP block with spammers perhaps? |
| 02:33.23 | jeremy_c | no, we have a dedicated ip for our dedicated server. |
| 02:35.01 | \amethyst | jeremy_c: do you run mailing lists? forward mail for other machines? |
| 02:36.09 | jeremy_c | \amethyst: no. it's a small mail server, about 15 users total. |
| 02:36.26 | iateadonut | !apt-spy |
| 02:36.27 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 02:38.23 | jeremy_c | I looked through my logs and for all of today we have about 20 emails going to att people, all of them legit people and emails. |
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| 02:38.44 | Andre66 | can someone help me figure out why AIM isn't working through PuttY tunnel? |
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| 02:39.52 | Gm4n | does the recent kernel update address the local root exploit from yesterday? |
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| 02:40.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:40.07 | Andre66 | I get this error sshd[26049]: error: connect_to 127.0.0.1 port 8080: Connection refused |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | Gm4n: you could rish your security |
| 02:40.47 | abrotman | risk |
| 02:41.07 | Gm4n | oh, I'll ruin my uptime :P |
| 02:41.14 | Andre66 | seems like Im being ignored |
| 02:41.32 | Gm4n | Andre66, you sure that putty is binding to port 8080 locally? |
| 02:41.40 | Gm4n | connection refused usually means a closed port |
| 02:41.44 | kgoetz | Andre66: or your impatient |
| 02:41.55 | Andre66 | yes, im sure. |
| 02:42.19 | Andre66 | my local machine is filtering it? |
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| 02:42.32 | Gm4n | and you're sure the tunnel is functioning? |
| 02:42.47 | Andre66 | if I was sure its functioning, it would be working lol |
| 02:43.10 | \amethyst | Andre66: what is running on port 8080 on the remote machine? |
| 02:43.11 | Gm4n | well, have you tried running a ssh connection through it? |
| 02:43.32 | Andre66 | PuttY on my windows machine, local port 8080 127.0.0.1:8080 |
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| 02:44.04 | Andre66 | when I try to connect using AIM, SSHD reports the connection refused crap |
| 02:44.23 | \amethyst | Andre66: it looks like you're redirecting local port 8080 to port 8080 on the remote machine |
| 02:44.45 | Andre66 | L8080 127.0.0.1:8080 |
| 02:44.47 | \amethyst | Andre66: is that what you want, or do you want to redirect local port 8080 to the AIM server? |
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| 02:45.04 | Andre66 | what I want is for my windows machine to use the SSH as a proxy |
| 02:45.17 | Andre66 | i.e tunneling |
| 02:46.51 | \amethyst | Andre66: you have to specify where the tunnelled connection will go to |
| 02:47.05 | Andre66 | how so? |
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| 02:47.18 | \amethyst | Andre66: instead of 127.0.0.1 use the AIM server's IP address |
| 02:47.30 | Andre66 | no... it needs to use the SSH as the proxy |
| 02:47.35 | \amethyst | right |
| 02:47.48 | Andre66 | how would it use the proxy if I use AIM server's IP addresss? |
| 02:47.48 | \amethyst | you're setting this in putty, right? |
| 02:47.52 | Andre66 | yes |
| 02:47.54 | kgoetz | 13:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 517515 secs |
| 02:48.00 | kgoetz | 6 days to sync to #debian o_0 |
| 02:48.05 | sier | :) |
| 02:48.34 | \amethyst | Andre66: perhaps you should read up on how ssh tunnels work |
| 02:48.58 | Andre66 | I have run tunnels flawlessly in the past but I am not able to now and I dont know if its a filtering problem or what |
| 02:49.26 | \amethyst | Andre66: source port: 8080 destination: foo.com:8080 says to forward local port 8080 to the ssh server, and the server will forward that port on to foo.com |
| 02:49.59 | \amethyst | Andre66: when you say 127.0.0.1:8080, the ssh server is trying to forward the port to itself, but it's not running anything on port 8080 so it doesn't work |
| 02:50.07 | snewp | i have selected the desktop environment in installing .. is there a way that i can uninstall it whole ? or i have to uninstall it one by one ? |
| 02:50.14 | Andre66 | oh I see |
| 02:50.27 | Andre66 | you know what, the reason why I did it is for vnc, would that make sense? |
| 02:50.54 | \amethyst | Andre66: yeah, it would make sense to use localhost for forwarding VNC |
| 02:51.11 | Andre66 | okay cool, thanks for clearing up my confusion |
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| 02:54.57 | iateadonut | what's better - php-cache or php-cache-lite |
| 02:55.03 | snewp | is there any way to uninstall my desktop environment as whole instead of uninstalling one by one it's component ? |
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| 02:56.23 | DocPlatypus_ | snewp: depends on how you installed it. with aptitude it's relatively easy as long as you make sure nothing you actually want to keep is still installled |
| 02:56.27 | DocPlatypus_ | installed* |
| 02:57.02 | snewp | DocPlatypus, i selected it during fresh install |
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| 02:57.32 | grendal_prime | !dpkg java |
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| 02:58.49 | DocPlatypus | the question is why you'd want to do that |
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| 03:00.06 | abrocadabro | is there a program that will automatically create init scripts? |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
| 03:00.44 | \amethyst | abrocadabro: cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/mydaemon |
| 03:00.46 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: why would you need to? |
| 03:00.51 | \amethyst | abrocadabro: then edit |
| 03:00.57 | snewp | DocPlatypus, it's for server use |
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| 03:01.18 | cmanns | Back home =) |
| 03:01.35 | abrocadabro | jabberd2 does not have an init script |
| 03:02.06 | abrocadabro | thanks, will try skeleton |
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| 03:02.43 | CactusMD | hi are there any livecds that use fluxbox as the wm? |
| 03:02.51 | jim | you'll want to -copy- skeleton |
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| 03:03.10 | jim | livecd? probably none |
| 03:03.22 | Shadow_7 | CactusMD: There's a few the let's you default to other wm's. knoppix has a desktop=icewm option. |
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| 03:04.47 | abrotman | CactusMD: /j #fluxbuntu |
| 03:05.34 | CactusMD | ahh |
| 03:05.35 | CactusMD | thanks |
| 03:07.26 | jim | to what degree is building nvidia driver into a debian pkg on topic here? I'm getting a build error; log is at http://jam.sessionsnet.org/files/download/nvidia-build-log.txt?version_id=10785 |
| 03:07.51 | kgoetz | mostly off, afaik |
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| 03:09.30 | CactusMD | would it be hard to make a custom livecd? |
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| 03:10.24 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 03:10.24 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 03:11.53 | \amethyst | jim: what bitness is your userspace, your current kernel, and the kernel you are building? |
| 03:12.01 | \amethyst | jim: 32- vs 64-bit that is |
| 03:12.20 | jim | all 32 I hope |
| 03:13.24 | Shadow_7 | jim: what's the error? SA_INTERRUPT ? |
| 03:13.29 | jim | not visiting 64b again for a long time |
| 03:13.50 | Shadow_7 | 64b works alright, as long as you have a 64b cpu. |
| 03:14.04 | kgoetz | 64bit is win. |
| 03:14.14 | Shadow_7 | granted that you have to chroot to a 32b to do anything usefull. |
| 03:14.31 | kgoetz | depends what you want to do as 'useful' |
| 03:14.47 | Shadow_7 | play java applet games on the web. |
| 03:15.00 | jim | error: code model ’kernel’ not supported in the 32 bit mode |
| 03:15.01 | kgoetz | of course - core functionality |
| 03:15.31 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 03:15.38 | Shadow_7 | unless you get paid to program them. |
| 03:16.02 | kgoetz | tbh, i still dont call that useful :) |
| 03:16.27 | Shadow_7 | keeps me out of jail. And your trash looking for food. |
| 03:16.51 | jim | Shadow_7: the first error I see is the above |
| 03:16.57 | jim | error: code model ’kernel’ not supported in the 32 bit mode |
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| 03:18.04 | \amethyst | jim: wait, where did you get your nvidia source from? |
| 03:18.23 | abrotman | bob |
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| 03:18.31 | jim | gene |
| 03:18.38 | \amethyst | jim: it looks kind of like you have the 64-bit nvidia module |
| 03:18.46 | jim | hmm |
| 03:18.51 | jim | that could be bad :) |
| 03:18.53 | kb3llm | is there any way to install debian via a damn small live cd? I dont have any blank cd's but i have a DSL disc lying around.. can i do a net install via that or something? |
| 03:18.59 | simonrvn | junior |
| 03:19.07 | abrotman | neal ? |
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| 03:19.14 | simonrvn | joe |
| 03:19.20 | abrotman | kb3llm: debootstrap |
| 03:19.26 | simonrvn | oh wait, charlene |
| 03:19.28 | \amethyst | jim: at least, googling for nvidia + the error message, I see mostly amd64 users |
| 03:19.34 | jim | kb3llm: yes, you can |
| 03:19.40 | jim | tilton too! |
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| 03:19.57 | Shadow_7 | jim: I generally get both versions of the nvidia driver. That way I have the other if one doesn't work. |
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| 03:20.08 | jim | I got some of it from jessica alba! |
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| 03:20.28 | Shadow_7 | Although most of my machines have onboard ati cards. |
| 03:20.33 | jim | for some reason she didn't want to give it all up... |
| 03:20.34 | kb3llm | abrotman: how do i do it with debootstrap? |
| 03:20.40 | kb3llm | there a tut or something on it? |
| 03:20.59 | jim | first make hd space for it, mount that somewhere |
| 03:21.06 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 03:21.06 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 03:21.11 | Shadow_7 | kb3llm: why not just get a net install image? cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 03:21.21 | kb3llm | Shadow_7: i dont have any blank cd's |
| 03:21.22 | kb3llm | :( |
| 03:21.26 | jim | then tell debootstrap to dump stuff there |
| 03:21.41 | Shadow_7 | apt-get install best-buy |
| 03:21.51 | kb3llm | Shadow_7: at 10:30 at night? |
| 03:22.10 | jim | 711 |
| 03:22.11 | Shadow_7 | it's a 24 hour shop in California. |
| 03:22.19 | Shadow_7 | where it's only 7:30pm. |
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| 03:22.30 | abrotman | not all are 24hr |
| 03:22.50 | jim | is the emeryville store 24 hr? |
| 03:22.50 | Shadow_7 | WalMart is though. |
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| 03:23.07 | Shadow_7 | And discs are one of the few tech things they have worth getting. |
| 03:23.15 | simonrvn | walmart is crap |
| 03:23.15 | eshaase | anyone know of a way to run a webserver just for localhost (and not to the outside world)? |
| 03:23.34 | kb3llm | eshaase: just run it and dont forward port 80? |
| 03:23.35 | jim | sure, have it listen on lo |
| 03:23.37 | simonrvn | eshaase: have listen to localhost... |
| 03:23.40 | kb3llm | or tht |
| 03:23.42 | dkr | eshaase: listen to 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:23.43 | kb3llm | that* |
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| 03:23.47 | eshaase | is that pretty easy to setup? |
| 03:23.53 | Shadow_7 | eshaase: restrict the firewall to only respond to lo / 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:23.56 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 03:23.58 | jim | really easy |
| 03:24.06 | simonrvn | no need for "firewalling" |
| 03:24.15 | dkr | Shadow_7: no need for firewal ruls if you don't bind to external interface at all. :) |
| 03:24.23 | abrotman | i don't think apache can bind to an interface ? |
| 03:24.31 | \amethyst | abrotman: huh? |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | but i never tried .. guess i'll just keep my chubby face shut |
| 03:24.38 | jim | why do you wanna do that tho? rabbit being so annoying you're gonna try a nuke? |
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| 03:25.13 | \amethyst | with apache2, edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf and change it to Listen 127.0.0.1:80 |
| 03:25.13 | kgoetz | apache binds to ip/port, not interface afaik |
| 03:25.18 | simonrvn | ...i can think of a couple of reasons... |
| 03:25.20 | dkr | binding to 127.0.0.1 is ow you bind to "lo" interface. heh |
| 03:25.24 | \amethyst | abrotman: Oh, I see what you mean |
| 03:25.24 | JW | I trird setting up /etc/apt/sources.list with "testing" repo lines ini addition to stable because I need the latest ruby, and when I try to install with apt-get -t testing -s install ruby It wants to install an even older version! What's up with that? |
| 03:25.52 | simonrvn | don't do that JW |
| 03:25.56 | abrotman | \amethyst: see .. i've a chubby face! :) |
| 03:26.05 | simonrvn | !bobbitt |
| 03:26.05 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 03:26.13 | JW | does Testing rally have an older version than stable? |
| 03:26.30 | JW | simonrvn: please speak on, I want to know |
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| 03:26.33 | jim | build the ruby you want to have |
| 03:26.43 | freezer | hi |
| 03:26.51 | JW | how should I do that? |
| 03:26.53 | \amethyst | JW: what version of ruby do you have right now? |
| 03:26.57 | JW | cheeckinstall? |
| 03:27.08 | freezer | ganz genau! |
| 03:27.12 | JW | I have 1.8.5 latest from stable |
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| 03:27.22 | \amethyst | JW: no, 1.8.5 isn't in stable |
| 03:27.32 | JW | I was told by the programmers to install 1.8.6 |
| 03:27.35 | \amethyst | oh wait |
| 03:27.37 | se7en | !kde4 |
| 03:27.37 | dpkg | [kde4] a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 03:27.39 | \amethyst | JW: my bad, I misread |
| 03:27.43 | \amethyst | JW: something else |
| 03:27.49 | simonrvn | se7en: /msg the bot |
| 03:28.02 | \amethyst | JW: and when you try to install it from lenny what version does it try to install? |
| 03:28.10 | se7en | sorry simonrvn |
| 03:28.15 | jim | get the 1.8.6 source, unpack it, read its readme, fulfill its build requirements, follow the build instructoins |
| 03:28.19 | JW | 1.8.2 |
| 03:28.29 | \amethyst | JW: that's where I was confused too |
| 03:28.46 | freezer | which driver handles the touchpad? |
| 03:28.47 | \amethyst | JW: you want to install ruby1.8 from testing |
| 03:28.48 | JW | Inst ruby [1.8.2-1] (1.8.2-2 Debian:testing) |
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| 03:28.53 | \amethyst | JW: 'ruby' is just a metapackage |
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| 03:29.07 | \amethyst | JW: its version has little to do with ruby's version |
| 03:29.20 | \amethyst | JW: (in in sid it's been changed so that the version is 4:1 now) |
| 03:29.24 | JW | \amethyst: then I look at this: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.8/ |
| 03:29.25 | \amethyst | s/in in/and in/ |
| 03:29.33 | JW | I see that the latest is 1.8.6 |
| 03:29.41 | JW | but when I try this: |
| 03:29.49 | JW | apt-get -t testing -s install ruby=1.8.6 |
| 03:30.02 | JW | it says E: Version '1.8' for 'ruby' was not found |
| 03:30.09 | \amethyst | JW: apt-get -t testing -s install ruby1.8 |
| 03:30.11 | JW | and I tried using the full version number too |
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| 03:30.44 | JW | Ok \amethyst now I get ruby1.8: Depends: libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.6.111) but 1.8.5-4etch1 is to be installed |
| 03:30.50 | JW | so I'll do libruby too |
| 03:31.05 | JW | Behold, that works. |
| 03:31.08 | simonrvn | se7en: np. just cuts down on the traffic in here to /msg it |
| 03:31.17 | freezer | gay firefox 2.0.0.11 |
| 03:31.26 | freezer | its crashing all the time, 100%cpu use |
| 03:32.31 | \amethyst | JW: you probably also want to upgrade ri1.8, rdoc1.8, and irb1.8 |
| 03:32.31 | simonrvn | if it's crashing, then it isn't gay, is it |
| 03:33.20 | JW | \amethyst: thanks that's better. Now it wants to install a huge amount of other packages, I guess because they are dependancies. I don't want an unstable system, but I have to have the latest ruby - maybe this is not the way to do it. |
| 03:33.39 | abrotman | !tell freezer about gay |
| 03:34.01 | JW | it wants to remove like a dozen packages and install even more (and they're not all the same, either) |
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| 03:34.23 | \amethyst | JW: this is why mixing distributions is discouraged |
| 03:35.06 | freezer | whats the deal |
| 03:35.14 | JW | \amethyst: can you suggest a better way - please? |
| 03:35.19 | simonrvn | JW: duh. it's going to pull in lenny's libc6 amongst other things |
| 03:35.28 | \amethyst | JW: it might be possible to backport ruby1.8 yourself |
| 03:35.36 | JW | simonrvn: yeah I figured but I was just hoping maybe it wouldn't |
| 03:35.43 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 03:35.44 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:35.53 | simonrvn | hoping isn't what you need right now |
| 03:36.03 | JW | how do I ask dpkg for things, with !tell ? |
| 03:36.16 | \amethyst | JW: you could try using those instructions to build your own version of the ruby 1.8.6 packages on etch |
| 03:36.31 | \amethyst | JW: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 03:36.35 | simonrvn | backports.org might have it too |
| 03:36.35 | JW | simonrvn: apparently not :-) |
| 03:36.45 | JW | will check |
| 03:36.52 | \amethyst | simonrvn: nope, not that pdo says anyway |
| 03:37.08 | simonrvn | pdo won't say what b.o has ;) |
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| 03:38.31 | \amethyst | simonrvn: oh, etch-backports is distinct from bpo? |
| 03:39.00 | simonrvn | now you're confusing me |
| 03:39.17 | \amethyst | simonrvn: because backport.org's search page goes to pdo now |
| 03:39.21 | simonrvn | isn't "etch-backports" just 'bpo'? |
| 03:39.22 | JW | I'm just a little confused here, on b.o I searched "package name" "all" etch-backports (that does mean *for* etch, right?) and 1.8.6 only showed up under the listing "lenny" - does that just mean it was backported from lenny? |
| 03:39.24 | abrotman | \amethyst: no .. the same |
| 03:39.27 | simonrvn | oh |
| 03:39.43 | simonrvn | nm |
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| 03:40.12 | \amethyst | JW: no, it means it's not backported |
| 03:40.18 | JW | oh :-( |
| 03:40.26 | JW | ok so I'll try the source method. |
| 03:40.31 | mrgenixus | how do I configure the system's outgoing smtp server (for using the 'mail command')? |
| 03:41.03 | \amethyst | JW: use the simple sid backport instructions, that way you'll have something that integrates well with debian |
| 03:41.22 | abrotman | mrgenixus: using exim ? |
| 03:41.28 | \amethyst | JW: and there's (usually) not a lot of fumbling around, it's more or less automatic when it works |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | !drec |
| 03:41.36 | mrgenixus | right -light |
| 03:41.38 | abrotman | !drec l |
| 03:41.38 | dpkg | l: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 03:41.44 | JW | will try. |
| 03:41.52 | abrotman | mrgenixus: choose the correct mail config .. |
| 03:41.57 | abrotman | ... obviously :) |
| 03:41.59 | mrgenixus | ok. |
| 03:42.10 | mrgenixus | is there some way I can backup the existing config? |
| 03:42.29 | simonrvn | yeh, use cp |
| 03:42.50 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: when you reconfigure exim4, the setting you want is to use a "smarthost" |
| 03:43.04 | mrgenixus | lol |
| 03:43.12 | mrgenixus | yeah -- tar's great |
| 03:43.26 | simonrvn | hehe, that would be a better idea actually :) |
| 03:43.28 | mrgenixus | I use it to send files over an encrypted shell |
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| 03:46.03 | mrgenixus | do I need to download and install (apt-get or otherwise) smarthost? |
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| 03:46.13 | msan | I've got the following pipeline: ls -l | egrep ^d | awk '{print $9}' | egrep -v 'ExemptDir' which works on the command line just fine. I then try to use it in a script in the following manner: TARGET_EXEMPT="-v 'ExemptDir'" ; TARGET_DIRS="`ls -l | egrep '^d' | awk '{print $9}' | egrep ${TARGET_EXEMPT} `" but TARGET_DIRS ends up including ExemptDir and this is the case regardless of whether I am using ksh, bash, or sh. Anyone have |
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| 03:47.58 | \amethyst | msan: because you're grepping for 'ExemptDir' *including* the single quotes |
| 03:48.56 | mrgenixus | abrotman: that doesn't seem to allow me to configure the outgoing smtp server |
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| 03:49.07 | abrotman | mrgenixus: it sure should .. you want smarthost |
| 03:49.09 | \amethyst | msan: you can use just TARGET_EXEMPT="-v ExemptDir" *assuming* the directory name doesn't contain spaces, newlines, *, ?, [ ], etc |
| 03:49.18 | mrgenixus | ok, retrying |
| 03:50.01 | \amethyst | msan: if it does contain any of those characters, it's pretty difficult to do and you should just use something like egrep -v "$EXEMPT_DIR" instead of egrep $TARGET_EXEMPT |
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| 03:50.25 | mrgenixus | abrotman: here are my options: http://pastebin.ca/900737 |
| 03:50.34 | mrgenixus | i'm selecting the 3rd |
| 03:50.44 | mrgenixus | ' mail sent by smarthost; no local mail ' |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | mrgenixus: ye s.. smarthost |
| 03:51.15 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 03:51.28 | mrgenixus | oh |
| 03:51.31 | mrgenixus | I think I found it |
| 03:51.36 | abrotman | mrgenixus: then it should ask you for your outgoing smtp server |
| 03:51.42 | msan | \amethyst: Thank you ! |
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| 03:52.25 | mrgenixus | yeah, got that |
| 03:52.58 | mrgenixus | unfortunatly, I'ma have to lookup how to do authenticated smtp |
| 03:53.50 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 03:54.59 | msan | \amethyst: If I wanted to make that egrep expression be something like "egrep -v 'ExemptDir1|ExemptPattern2|ExemptRegEx3' " how would I get that in there ? |
| 03:55.07 | Joelito | what should I do when debian (4.0r2 netinstall) doesn't recognize my netcard or modem? |
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| 03:56.03 | Jygzygyzel | oh now i done it |
| 03:56.16 | Jygzygyzel | opened a zip file in my home that didn't have a directory structure |
| 03:56.28 | Jygzygyzel | how the heck am i gonna get rid of these files on my home |
| 03:56.39 | msan | \amethyst: that is how I'd like to do it, so that I can just add exempt directories to that egrep expression and not make changes to the rest of the script. |
| 03:56.42 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: look at the zip header .. delete the files |
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| 03:56.54 | Jygzygyzel | yea only if it were that easy |
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| 03:57.01 | Jygzygyzel | you gonna have to use some awk for that |
| 03:57.14 | \amethyst | msan: is this bash? |
| 03:57.27 | simonrvn | zip -l foo.zip and delete the files listed. it *is* that easy |
| 03:57.50 | simonrvn | er, make that unzip |
| 03:57.59 | msan | \amethyst: would be ideal if I could make it work with sh/ksh but I don't mind bash being a requirement :) |
| 03:58.07 | Jygzygyzel | so wut |
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| 03:58.25 | Jygzygyzel | rm $(unzip -l foo.zip) |
| 03:58.33 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong ... |
| 03:58.34 | \amethyst | msan: you might try #bash, and people there can usually tell you what's portable and what's not |
| 03:58.41 | Jygzygyzel | you have to cut that shit also |
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| 03:59.08 | msan | \amethyst: thanks. forgot about the bash room .. |
| 03:59.36 | Jygzygyzel | how you gonna cut that list |
| 03:59.56 | Jygzygyzel | its like the 4th column |
| 03:59.57 | Jygzygyzel | the filename |
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| 04:00.06 | simonrvn | hint: awk |
| 04:00.13 | Jygzygyzel | yea like i know how to use that |
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| 04:00.54 | simonrvn | time to figure it out then |
| 04:01.00 | Jygzygyzel | no, no its not |
| 04:01.01 | abrotman | enter enter enter |
| 04:01.09 | Jygzygyzel | you have any idea how complex the awk is |
| 04:01.22 | Jygzygyzel | there are whole books about that |
| 04:01.27 | simonrvn | Jygzygyzel: this is how hacking works. you wanna do something, you figure out how to do it |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: and yet .. you can't even read a man page |
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| 04:01.38 | Jygzygyzel | no i don't |
| 04:01.48 | Jygzygyzel | im not gonna start learning awk now |
| 04:01.55 | wng- | I'm running a new installation of etch, and I'm getting a lot of errors when using apt-get to install various packages: all the errors say that the package is not available, but is referred to by another package, I only added backports to my sources.list, is there a reason for this happening? |
| 04:01.58 | simonrvn | your loss |
| 04:02.01 | Jygzygyzel | i have many other things to learn |
| 04:02.07 | Jygzygyzel | someone just give me the command |
| 04:02.27 | simonrvn | /ignore -replies Jygzygyzel |
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| 04:02.46 | simonrvn | there's one command ;) |
| 04:02.59 | Jygzygyzel | im gonna just do -all |
| 04:03.06 | Jygzygyzel | for u |
| 04:03.09 | msan | unzip -l ZipFile | awk '{print $4}' ...... replace $4 with whatever number the column you want is .. geesh .. |
| 04:03.11 | abrotman | !tell Jygzygyzel about u |
| 04:03.26 | Malf | rofl |
| 04:03.27 | mrgenixus | abrotman: now -- how do I test this -- I've already sent two messages using 'mail' but no errors or anything |
| 04:03.56 | abrotman | mrgenixus: might have to wait .. check your mailq also |
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| 04:04.04 | simonrvn | i *was* going to tell you a page i mirror that has awk one-liners, but since you don't want to learn... too bad for you |
| 04:04.11 | Jygzygyzel | msan first line it gets is a ---- |
| 04:04.35 | mrgenixus | abrotman: seems to be ***frozen*** |
| 04:05.42 | Jygzygyzel | now it gets complex |
| 04:05.50 | Jygzygyzel | you have to wc -l that awk result |
| 04:06.14 | Jygzygyzel | you have to then tail -n (`wc -l` - 1) |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | mrgenixus: something isn't moving .. check the maillog |
| 04:06.27 | Jygzygyzel | or something like that |
| 04:06.34 | msan | Jygzygyzel: what I gave you is a decent start to what you need .. a couple of more pipes with more awk or cut in it and you'll have what you do. |
| 04:06.52 | Malf | Jygzygyzel: dump it to file and manually drop the first line or two or something |
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| 04:06.59 | Jygzygyzel | or that |
| 04:07.01 | Malf | since you have to do this all of once |
| 04:07.06 | nevyn | cant you CR+1 in the awk script to skip the first record. |
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| 04:07.23 | abrotman | or head/tail ? |
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| 04:07.38 | Bubbletoes | hey how do i get a list of apt-get packages that i installed? |
| 04:07.48 | nevyn | sure head tail but that's another process traversing the file ;) |
| 04:08.00 | abrotman | !installed |
| 04:08.00 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 04:08.36 | wng- | I'm running a new installation of etch, and I'm getting a lot of errors when using apt-get to install various packages: all the errors say that the package is not available, but is referred to by another package, I only added backports to my sources.list, is there a reason for this happening? |
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| 04:09.21 | abrotman | wng-: paste the error |
| 04:09.22 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:09.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 04:09.50 | enouf | wng-: perhaps the ones you want are in contrib or non-free? |
| 04:10.16 | wng- | enouf, i'll look into that, and abrotman, if that doesn't fix it i'll come back with the error |
| 04:10.31 | abrotman | wng-: what are you trying to install? |
| 04:10.43 | wng- | flashplayer-nonfree for one, mencoder, a few others |
| 04:10.45 | enouf | wng-: and your sources.list doesn't have that listed in the lines? |
| 04:10.55 | abrotman | !tell wng- about dmm |
| 04:10.56 | wng- | contrib non-free are both in my sources.list |
| 04:11.03 | enouf | !non-free |
| 04:11.03 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | flashplayer is in non-free .. mencoder is in dmm |
| 04:11.13 | enouf | gah |
| 04:11.26 | wng- | alright, i dunno why flashplayer won't install |
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| 04:12.01 | SecretLine | flashplayer has a dependency that has been removed from debian rep |
| 04:12.16 | SecretLine | have' |
| 04:12.21 | wng- | it's flashplugin-nonfree, not flashplayer-nonfree sorry |
| 04:12.35 | wng- | SecretLine, is it nspluginwrapper or ia32-libs-gtk? |
| 04:12.37 | SecretLine | it didnt worked for me |
| 04:12.42 | SecretLine | nspluginwrapper |
| 04:12.49 | wng- | because thats what its complaining about |
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| 04:13.02 | SecretLine | search for .deb in google |
| 04:13.05 | SecretLine | from ubuntu maybe |
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| 04:13.15 | SecretLine | install it, and will woek :) |
| 04:13.17 | SecretLine | work' |
| 04:13.25 | wng- | alright |
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| 04:13.42 | abrotman | or just get it from adobe.com |
| 04:13.47 | abrotman | which is easier IMO |
| 04:13.58 | jetscreamer | for what |
| 04:14.02 | jetscreamer | reader? |
| 04:14.03 | SecretLine | the plugin from adobe didnt workeed |
| 04:14.04 | SecretLine | for me |
| 04:14.13 | queuetue | Hi. Is there a clean way to temporarily switch the system compiler to gcc 3.4, then switch it back after a compile is done? |
| 04:14.26 | jetscreamer | yes que |
| 04:14.27 | wols | queuetue: export CC |
| 04:14.28 | jetscreamer | yes queuetue |
| 04:14.54 | queuetue | wols, I tried that first - Unfortunately the build script doesn't obey the CC env. |
| 04:15.08 | jetscreamer | you could do update-alternatives |
| 04:15.31 | jetscreamer | and put it back. update-alternatives --config --gcc or something |
| 04:15.31 | queuetue | jetscreamer, I thought that was how to do it, but I don't understand how u-a works. :) |
| 04:15.50 | enouf | jetscreamer: i heard that doesn't work for gcc |
| 04:15.50 | jetscreamer | queuetue: me neither, i just do update-alternatives --all and go through the list |
| 04:15.57 | jetscreamer | enouf: no idea |
| 04:15.57 | enouf | but maybe i'm mistaken |
| 04:16.12 | jetscreamer | queuetue: the other thing you could do is... |
| 04:16.27 | jetscreamer | gcc is just a symlink, iirc.. point it at what you want |
| 04:16.41 | enouf | queuetue: did you also use HOSTCC= ? |
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| 04:16.58 | queuetue | jetscreamer, Yeah, that's my fallback, but I'd really rather have the geniuses at Debian command guiding my hand. :) |
| 04:16.58 | cizzi | \amethyst - how are you doing? |
| 04:16.58 | dpkg | mas o menos, cizzi |
| 04:17.05 | queuetue | enouf, No, but I will now. |
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| 04:17.38 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 04:17.41 | queuetue | enouf, Nope. It's a fairly braindead script. :) |
| 04:17.56 | jetscreamer | \amethyst - how are you doing? |
| 04:17.56 | dpkg | just great, jetscreamer |
| 04:17.59 | wng- | alright, i added the multimedia repository, but its still telling me no package for mencoder |
| 04:18.00 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 04:18.01 | queuetue | That update-alternatives line returns "No alternatives for --gcc" |
| 04:18.09 | jetscreamer | \ |
| 04:18.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it always does that |
| 04:18.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: hi |
| 04:18.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: how are you doing |
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| 04:18.21 | jetscreamer | queuetue: i don't know that --gcc is correct |
| 04:18.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: how are you doing? |
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| 04:18.25 | abrotman | i give up |
| 04:18.43 | jetscreamer | maybe it's the : tells it not to |
| 04:18.44 | enouf | wng-: it's mplayer, iinm |
| 04:19.02 | jetscreamer | jetscreamer - how are you doing? |
| 04:19.02 | dpkg | peachy, jetscreamer |
| 04:19.09 | abrotman | see |
| 04:19.12 | abrotman | hello |
| 04:19.16 | abrotman | screw it |
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| 04:19.53 | enouf | wng-: oh run apt-get update too |
| 04:19.54 | wng- | enouf, alright, but how about libmjpegtools-dev which is on dmm, but it still says no available package |
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| 04:19.59 | wng- | enouf, i have run that |
| 04:20.09 | wng- | since editing sources.list |
| 04:20.12 | enouf | where on dmm? |
| 04:20.20 | enouf | under etch repo? |
| 04:20.22 | wng- | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/ - its on that list |
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| 04:20.31 | wng- | and im running amd-64 |
| 04:20.41 | zippytech | is it possible to have files and folders hidden from root? |
| 04:21.14 | zippytech | i have a 18 gig drive that has 17 gig full and i can only find at most 5 gigs of files |
| 04:21.28 | cizzi | zippytech - is it ext3 fs? |
| 04:21.29 | enouf | wng-: dunno then :-/ hrm |
| 04:21.37 | cizzi | if so it uses 5-10% for overhead |
| 04:21.40 | zippytech | ubuntu |
| 04:21.43 | wng- | do I have to do something with -t like with backports? |
| 04:21.43 | cizzi | in case something happens |
| 04:21.45 | JW | zippytech: tried du -sh /* ? |
| 04:22.05 | wng- | I couldn't find anything listed on dmm's site |
| 04:22.07 | SecretLine | LOL |
| 04:22.36 | zippytech | nothing large just 2.4 gig in usr and 1.8 in var |
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| 04:22.55 | zippytech | ever thing else is only like 100 meg or so |
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| 04:23.12 | zippytech | i look to be missing like 12 gig |
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| 04:23.34 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 04:23.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is the best |
| 04:23.42 | jetscreamer | wtf |
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| 04:24.14 | SecretLine | wtf |
| 04:24.18 | SecretLine | delete that |
| 04:24.20 | simonrvn | !factinfo ubuntu |
| 04:24.21 | dpkg | ubuntu -- last modified 4h 40m 30s ago by ethan961!n=ethan@S01060015e912db4b.ok.shawcable.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by jetscreamer, 46s ago. |
| 04:24.21 | Malf | rofl |
| 04:24.31 | simonrvn | FFS |
| 04:24.32 | zippytech | this is /dev/sda2 19G 17G 456M 98% / |
| 04:24.38 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to regress to prev factoid |
| 04:24.42 | SecretLine | i readed it and i got killed |
| 04:25.04 | zippytech | so where could 12 +gig s be hidden |
| 04:25.05 | simonrvn | of course the fucker is gone now |
| 04:25.08 | simonrvn | !seen ethan961 |
| 04:25.08 | dpkg | ethan961 <n=ethan@S01060015e912db4b.ok.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 39m 22s ago, saying: 'i guess'. |
| 04:25.22 | simonrvn | @ubuntu |
| 04:25.26 | Malf | rofl |
| 04:26.20 | enouf | du -sh / .. the /* will miss hidden dirs and files |
| 04:26.24 | Malf | so it was like: ethan961 sets the factoid. |
| 04:26.24 | Malf | Someone in the channel: 'Are you just a troll?' |
| 04:26.25 | Malf | ethan961: 'i guess' |
| 04:27.10 | msan | zippytech: if you do a mount, what filesystem does it say its using ? |
| 04:27.30 | zippytech | his is /dev/sda2 19G 17G 456M 98% / |
| 04:27.46 | simm | apt-get and aptitude are hanging, at apparently random points (always the same for a given package) and dpkg not only works, but makes apt-get able to complete the install of dependencies (with -f). |
| 04:28.09 | simonrvn | !forget ubuntu |
| 04:28.09 | dpkg | i forgot ubuntu, simonrvn |
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| 04:28.27 | zoredache | simm: for a second it looked like security.debian.org was offline... |
| 04:28.33 | PythonNinja | apt won't upgrade because it thinks i'm missing a dependency i've got, dpkg confirms that i have it, how do i force apt to see it? |
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| 04:29.02 | simm | zoredache: Would that cause a hang? |
| 04:29.08 | msan | zippytech: not df output, but mount output ... |
| 04:29.18 | skopii | hello what is the debian equivalent of mailwrapper? |
| 04:29.35 | JW | \amethyst: now when I try to do the apt-get build-dep part, it says it can't find the source package for . . . and repeats what ever I put in. I have tried ruby1.8 ruby1.8.6 and |
| 04:29.44 | JW | ruby |
| 04:29.48 | zoredache | simm: depends... if it is trying to download packages, then yes |
| 04:30.03 | zippytech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:30.45 | simm | How could I tell? comment out security in the sources, update, and try again? |
| 04:31.05 | simonrvn | i fixed it |
| 04:31.06 | zoredache | simm: yes... that would prove it |
| 04:31.07 | \amethyst | JW: did you add a deb-src line for sid ? |
| 04:31.07 | enouf | zippytech: try $ du -ab ./* | sort -rng | less |
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| 04:31.16 | \amethyst | JW: to your sources.list |
| 04:31.17 | enouf | gah |
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| 04:31.20 | JW | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:31.21 | enouf | zippytech: try $ du -ab / | sort -rng | less |
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| 04:31.30 | \amethyst | JW: did you do apt-get update ? |
| 04:31.39 | JW | \amethyst: is that right? I tried "sid" instead of "unstable" too, and it acts the same |
| 04:31.44 | JW | yes, I updated several times |
| 04:31.51 | JW | twice after each chagne |
| 04:31.55 | JW | change. |
| 04:32.03 | \amethyst | JW: and then you try apt-get build-dep ruby1.8 and it doesn't work? |
| 04:32.14 | zippytech | i get a blank screeen |
| 04:32.16 | JW | also, I commented out every other line that said deb-src |
| 04:32.18 | simonrvn | !ubuntu |
| 04:32.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a Debian derivative with GNOME as its default desktop environment. /join #ubuntu @irc.freenode.net for support. See also <based on debian>. |
| 04:32.20 | simm | zoredache: Thanks. I'll see if I can rule that out. |
| 04:32.24 | \amethyst | JW: don't do that |
| 04:32.34 | \amethyst | JW: you still need the deb line for your distribution |
| 04:32.48 | \amethyst | JW: build-dep is installing binary packages, not source packages |
| 04:33.02 | JW | no, I left the "deb" line, I commented out the "deb-src" line for stable only. I left the "deb" line for stable in there |
| 04:33.22 | JW | do I need the "deb" line for unstable too or only the deb-src line for stable? |
| 04:33.29 | zippytech | sort: write failed: /tmp/sortcgpWVK: No space left on device |
| 04:33.33 | simonrvn | and i locked the ubuntu factoid in *my* bot |
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| 04:33.52 | \amethyst | JW: you shouldn't need that |
| 04:33.52 | JW | \amethyst: if I'm being a dunce just tell me :-) |
| 04:33.52 | zoredache | zippytech: how long has your computer been on? |
| 04:34.02 | jacob | Hey |
| 04:34.17 | \amethyst | JW: could you pastebin your sources.list and the complete output of apt-get build-dep ruby1.8 ? |
| 04:34.30 | JW | yeah let me figure out this paste bin thing again . . . |
| 04:34.47 | zippytech | i just rebooted the other day, i was going to burn a cd and gave me an odd error rebooted and now i have no drive space |
| 04:34.55 | zoredache | it is possible some program has a file open that has been unlinked. |
| 04:35.13 | zippytech | there is also a new overflow 1.0M 1.0M 0 100% /tmp |
| 04:35.22 | zippytech | my other boxes don't have that |
| 04:35.25 | \amethyst | zoredache: not through a reboot, though |
| 04:35.25 | zippytech | overflow |
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| 04:36.08 | \amethyst | zippytech: hmm.. the real file that's eating up space in /tmp might be hidden underneath that overflow filesystem |
| 04:36.51 | \amethyst | zippytech: try unmounting /tmp (you'll probably have to go into single-user mode first with init 1 ) then seeing if there's some huge file underneath in the real /tmp |
| 04:36.56 | zippytech | how could i find it |
| 04:37.09 | \amethyst | zippytech: how much free space did you have before? |
| 04:37.09 | zoredache | if things are really acting badly, I suspect I would be tempted to reboot onto a livecd/rescue disk |
| 04:37.26 | zippytech | no idea but i am guessing 10+gig |
| 04:37.51 | \amethyst | zippytech: try something like find / -size +1G that will find all files bigger than a gig |
| 04:37.59 | zippytech | not much on it but base install plus few programs |
| 04:38.22 | JW | \amethyst: http://rafb.net/p/ZGDO0X63.html |
| 04:38.53 | zippytech | its searching could it be deluge |
| 04:39.20 | zippytech | there was file downloading but after reboot they where gone |
| 04:39.31 | \amethyst | zippytech: it couldn't be that big a deluge, there are only so many 1-gig files you can fit on a filesystem :) |
| 04:40.01 | zoredache | \amethyst: I think he was talking about the p2p app? |
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| 04:40.20 | zippytech | but i would think they would show up wth du -sh |
| 04:40.29 | zippytech | find: /proc/14573/task/14573/fd/4: No such file or directory i get this a few times |
| 04:40.39 | zippytech | with the find command |
| 04:40.41 | \amethyst | you can ignore /proc |
| 04:41.03 | \amethyst | zippytech: there's a good chance you'll have to umount /tmp first before you can find the file |
| 04:41.11 | \amethyst | I'm not sure what this "overflow" filesystem is |
| 04:41.19 | zippytech | hmm |
| 04:41.25 | n3kl | Is there a way that I can use dhcp on an interface, but keep it from overwriting my resolv.conf? |
| 04:41.42 | n3kl | I would think there would be a nodns or something, but I don't see it in the manpage. |
| 04:42.05 | zippytech | can that be done remotey |
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| 04:43.22 | PythonNinja | n3kl: you acn change dhcient.conf to not get dns data |
| 04:43.28 | \amethyst | zippytech: as long as you don't have to kill sshd |
| 04:43.35 | n3kl | PythonNinja: ah, I see |
| 04:43.40 | enouf | man dhcpcd-bin -R Prevents dhcpcd from replacing /etc/resolv.conf or using resolvconf. |
| 04:44.34 | JW | \amethyst: did you see my pastebin? |
| 04:44.45 | JW | http://rafb.net/p/ZGDO0X63.html |
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| 04:46.12 | \amethyst | JW: yes, I'm not sure at the moment what the problem is |
| 04:46.48 | justin3 | hello everyone, sorry to ask a question that is probably fairly widespread, but can anyone recommend a decent guide to setting up my debian system as a router? i've found a few, but lots of them (such as the aboutdebian.com one) are outdated or for the 2.4 kernel |
| 04:47.01 | JW | shoudl I just download a manual src deb and rebuild? I assume there's a way to do that like rpm --rebuild ? |
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| 04:47.07 | JW | (I hope) |
| 04:47.55 | garou | Hi. I just tried to use another distribution. Fate punished me appropriately. Now I ponder reinstalling Debian. Is there any estimate when support for ATI cards will work out of the box, with direct rendering and maybe even capable to run Compiz? |
| 04:48.00 | simonrvn | JW: you fetched the ruby source package already? |
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| 04:48.19 | simonrvn | apt-get source .... |
| 04:48.36 | \amethyst | simonrvn: apt-get build-dep is reporting "Unable to find a source package for ruby1.8" |
| 04:48.57 | simonrvn | JW: if so, look at whatever.dsc and install the Build-Depends: |
| 04:49.03 | \amethyst | simonrvn: his pastebin (sources.list and apt-get output) is at http://rafb.net/p/ZGDO0X63.html |
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| 04:49.28 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.46 | JW | \amethyst: no, I mean I don't think so: those instructions apt printed out here in the channel said to do "apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename" and it won't get past the first one. |
| 04:49.47 | simonrvn | s/Testing/Unstable/ for one thing ;) |
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| 04:50.11 | JW | simonrvn: you talking to me? I tried both testing and unstable and sid |
| 04:50.26 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 04:50.29 | JW | which one should I use? |
| 04:50.37 | Nyle | you should use ETCH |
| 04:50.41 | simonrvn | JW: um, di you update? :) |
| 04:50.44 | simonrvn | did* |
| 04:50.57 | simonrvn | Nyle: hush, he's trying to backport ruby |
| 04:50.59 | \amethyst | Nyle: he's trying to backport ruby1.8 version 1.8.6 to etch from sid sources |
| 04:51.02 | Nyle | oh |
| 04:51.27 | zippytech | ok unmounted the overflow made a little more space but still missing gigs |
| 04:51.34 | simonrvn | JW: no, you put "testing" for that unstable deb line |
| 04:52.09 | simonrvn | doesn't matter much, except confusing |
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| 04:52.36 | Nyle | backporting is fun |
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| 04:52.47 | Nyle | my xorg is broken :( |
| 04:52.48 | simonrvn | JW: so, did you update or not? |
| 04:52.52 | JW | simonrvn: I don't understand, my deb-src line reads like this: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:52.54 | zoredache | JW: if you do an apt-get source ruby1.8.6 does it download? |
| 04:52.58 | jetscreamer | why are you doing etch, anyway? |
| 04:53.00 | jetscreamer | nyle |
| 04:53.13 | JW | OH youre talking about my comment - sorry - i wans't updating the comment with every change |
| 04:53.13 | Nyle | JW: good! thats a good line |
| 04:53.22 | simonrvn | JW: ignore that for now... please answer the question |
| 04:53.23 | Nyle | JW: now you need to type apt-get update |
| 04:53.27 | JW | and YES I really have updated every time |
| 04:53.31 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:53.34 | Nyle | JW: after you modify the sources.list file you need to update |
| 04:53.39 | JW | Nyle: truely, I am slow, but not completely dumb yet ;-) |
| 04:53.44 | JW | Nyle: I promise I did |
| 04:53.44 | Nyle | no problem |
| 04:53.46 | Nyle | we're here to help |
| 04:53.54 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 04:53.54 | JW | I appreciate it, I ned lots of help. |
| 04:53.57 | JW | need, too |
| 04:53.58 | n3kl | PythonNinja: thanks again |
| 04:54.02 | n3kl | works nuicely |
| 04:54.20 | PythonNinja | np |
| 04:54.27 | simonrvn | because i have a similar setup (plus some pinning) and when i do apt-cache showsrc ruby i get output for unstable and testing as well as etch |
| 04:54.29 | JW | apt-get source ruby1.8.6 does not work either, nor apt-get source ruby1.8 |
| 04:54.32 | Nyle | JW: ok, now type apt-get build-dep ruby1.8 (whatever the pkgname is) |
| 04:54.41 | JW | it gives a similar error: E: Unable to find a source package for ruby1.8 |
| 04:54.55 | simonrvn | do apt-get source ruby first |
| 04:54.55 | JW | apt-get build-dep ruby1.8 also gives that same error: |
| 04:54.59 | JW | E: Unable to find a source package for ruby1.8 |
| 04:55.15 | Nyle | JW: dude.. you need to put the actual package name, not a metapackage I think |
| 04:55.24 | JW | apt-get source ruby gives this error: E: Unable to find a source package for ruby-defaults |
| 04:55.42 | jetscreamer | !depends ruby |
| 04:55.43 | JW | Nyle: if the package name is not ruby, not ruby1.8 and not ruby1.8.6, what would it be? |
| 04:55.47 | dpkg | ruby: depends on ruby1.8 |
| 04:55.49 | simonrvn | Nyle: actually it accepts a real package name and the source package name |
| 04:55.51 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 04:55.52 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 04:56.02 | Nyle | JW: apt-cache search ruby|grep 1.8.6 |
| 04:56.04 | Nyle | something |
| 04:56.05 | Nyle | whatever |
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| 04:56.32 | JW | Nyle: that produces, nothing, now if I grep for "^ruby" I see ruby1.8 and ruby1.9 |
| 04:56.42 | Nyle | simonrvn: yes but not metapackages... i think |
| 04:57.28 | JW | and if I then do wajig details ruby1.8 it just wants to install the binary for ruby1.8_1.8.5-4etch1_i386 which is what I already have (I'm trying to get 1.8.6) |
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| 04:58.05 | JW | though I assume that apt-cache is looking through the available binary package only? Or is it looking throughthe source package also? |
| 04:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting, just discovered gscan2pdf |
| 04:58.08 | Nyle | Source: ruby1.8 |
| 04:58.22 | simonrvn | apt-get -t unstable source ruby # works for me |
| 04:58.25 | JW | or at least "wajig details" is. |
| 04:58.41 | JW | simonrvn: I don't think I've tried that one with "source" yet |
| 04:58.42 | Nyle | libruby1.8 |
| 04:58.46 | Nyle | thats what you need |
| 04:58.53 | Nyle | apt-get source libruby1.8 |
| 04:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as yet it's also not able to deal with the crappy quality of the scans :) |
| 04:59.05 | Nyle | you should backport that package |
| 04:59.05 | JW | simonrvn: no that makes it freak out too |
| 04:59.10 | simonrvn | though yeh you'd need libruby* for the binary stuff |
| 04:59.10 | Nyle | JW: ^^ |
| 04:59.15 | JW | Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main ruby-defaults 4.1 (tar) [15.3kB] |
| 04:59.18 | simonrvn | JW: freak out how? |
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| 04:59.26 | simonrvn | that's not a freak out |
| 04:59.33 | wng- | anyone have an idea what package "mplex" would be in? |
| 04:59.35 | simonrvn | read what it says |
| 04:59.41 | JW | GPG probs. Hmm I need to update the keychain. |
| 04:59.51 | JW | does that mean it's looking for the unstable keys? |
| 04:59.55 | JW | gpg: Signature made Thu 17 Jan 2008 05:46:17 AM CST using DSA key ID 023B3F4F |
| 04:59.59 | JW | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 05:00.00 | jetscreamer | JW: topic |
| 05:00.07 | JW | reading . . . |
| 05:00.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer: wanna buy my guitar? |
| 05:00.36 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i'm happy with what i have atm |
| 05:00.53 | jetscreamer | you may give it to me for a birthday present though, it's soon |
| 05:00.55 | JW | Nyle: what kind of guitar |
| 05:01.10 | jetscreamer | i'll call it 'my precioussss' |
| 05:01.46 | jetscreamer | i need some work done on my neck |
| 05:01.52 | jetscreamer | bzzzzzz |
| 05:02.00 | simonrvn | FFS! the kernel_headers ... oh nm, there it goes |
| 05:02.24 | simonrvn | \o/ me |
| 05:02.40 | Nyle | JW: 1971 custom les paul, white body, gold plating, 22 frets, two piece, bolt on, vintage, dual humbucker setup, full tripple coil tone control, custom made by my uncle back in the day in the gibson factory |
| 05:02.48 | jetscreamer | oh, that one |
| 05:02.54 | jetscreamer | i thought you meant the bc rich |
| 05:02.58 | Nyle | nah |
| 05:03.01 | Nyle | thas my baby |
| 05:03.13 | JW | Do I understand this right? my debian-archive-keyring is up to date. But this is looking for the unstable/testing key so I need to install that key by hand with the command dpkg shows? |
| 05:03.23 | Nyle | JW: dont' worrya bout the key |
| 05:03.36 | jetscreamer | JW: if you just went to sid yeah... for apt-build just tell it to do it anyway |
| 05:03.38 | JW | guitar: sweet, when you say white do you mean painted? |
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| 05:04.05 | JW | keys: I now realize that the command worked, they keys were only a warning. |
| 05:04.07 | Nyle | um... i've never seen a white no finish guitar |
| 05:04.14 | Nyle | yes its painted Igues |
| 05:04.18 | simonrvn | JW: yes |
| 05:04.30 | Nyle | like all of them are ( i would like a wood finish, just the original, no paint, but eh) |
| 05:04.31 | jetscreamer | krylon |
| 05:04.34 | JW | now i feel really dumb. But, that's ok, you already knew that :-) |
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| 05:04.46 | jetscreamer | white krylon spray paint |
| 05:04.57 | JW | these all say ruby-4.1 - why the high version number? |
| 05:05.37 | simonrvn | it's probably the epoch, which is 4: not 4. |
| 05:05.40 | JW | jetscreamer: too bad, I like wood finish. My dream guitar is a gibson hollowbody (archtop) curly maple. I have a friend who has one |
| 05:05.53 | simonrvn | FINALLY |
| 05:05.54 | JW | don't know the model numbers |
| 05:06.39 | jetscreamer | JW: it may have been grey primer |
| 05:06.42 | Nyle | I need a good tutorial or something for building your own kernel, but optimizing it for performance, and tuned specifically for your hardware, stripped of all the stuff I wouldn't ever use or need |
| 05:07.06 | JW | libruby source install looks like it is getting ruby1.8 1.8.6.111-4 which is what I'm really looking for |
| 05:07.09 | Nyle | doesn't have to a tutorial, just need a good resoruce, can't really find one since I've went through a few of them |
| 05:07.32 | Nyle | one that where I can learn how to customize the kernel for my hw and sw needs and nothing else |
| 05:07.39 | JW | now I have directorioes ruby1.8-1.8.6.111 and ruby-defaults-4.1 what do I do with them? |
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| 05:07.48 | simonrvn | Nyle: going through menuconfig and knowing what the stuff does works for me. often tuning like that is run-time stuff |
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| 05:08.00 | Nyle | simonrvn: thats what I mean |
| 05:08.13 | Nyle | simonrvn: I would really just have to lookup in google each menuconfig option I guess |
| 05:08.14 | simonrvn | JW: yeh, should work nice now |
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| 05:08.23 | Nyle | unless there is a resource that explains most of them in one place or something |
| 05:08.30 | simonrvn | Nyle: start with the ? |
| 05:08.40 | Nyle | I'm sorry? |
| 05:08.49 | simonrvn | ...and that's what ./Documentation is for ;) |
| 05:08.56 | Nyle | huh? |
| 05:08.59 | simonrvn | you press ? and it gives you the help |
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| 05:09.06 | Nyle | who give me help? |
| 05:09.11 | enouf | Nyle: use the ? in make menuconfig |
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| 05:09.13 | simonrvn | menuconfig... |
| 05:09.14 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:09.17 | Nyle | yeh |
| 05:09.20 | simonrvn | !slap Nyle |
| 05:09.27 | simonrvn | good morning ;) |
| 05:09.28 | Nyle | I didn't know wtf you were talking about |
| 05:09.33 | Nyle | ey! |
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| 05:09.39 | MaximLevitsky | I have general question about debug packages |
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| 05:10.04 | MaximLevitsky | I see that they include whole libraries with debbuging info |
| 05:10.28 | simonrvn | yes, that's what it's for |
| 05:10.31 | enouf | Nyle: see stuff like this for a quick review of major changes http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_23 |
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| 05:10.43 | Nyle | cool |
| 05:10.45 | MaximLevitsky | But why, why not to use debug-link, and have debug packages have only debbuging info |
| 05:10.45 | Nyle | thank you |
| 05:10.53 | enouf | Nyle: see lwn.net and kerneltrap.org for more detailed stuff |
| 05:11.16 | MaximLevitsky | Or are debug libraries dufferent , eg compiled without optimizations? |
| 05:11.42 | MaximLevitsky | dufferent/different |
| 05:12.26 | enouf | Nyle: then there's the Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ , and /usr/share/kernel-package/ (for make-kpkg stuffs) |
| 05:12.42 | enouf | (not to mention the factoids here) |
| 05:13.05 | Nyle | I've built a many kernel before, but mostly for patching stuff |
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| 05:13.15 | Nyle | I've never really like, configured a full kernel before |
| 05:13.16 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:13.41 | enouf | Nyle: i just wrote this as a response to someone on oftc.net in #debian there ; |
| 05:13.48 | Nyle | word |
| 05:13.49 | enouf | Not that i know of, and i just reviewed most everything in /usr/share/kernel-package/ , though you shouldn't need to actually run 'make-kpkg clean' as your 1st command (IINM) . that said, what i usually do is run "make menuconfig" over the course of a few days, each time making small changes and saving them .. then finally when i feel satisfied, i compile ;-) |
| 05:14.01 | enouf | Nyle: that ^^^^ |
| 05:14.17 | Nyle | enouf: of course... |
| 05:14.29 | Nyle | enouf: you didn't think I try to learn everything on one day do ya |
| 05:14.29 | enouf | he asked about recompiling all the time using make-kpkg, and after each small change, taking a long time |
| 05:14.31 | jim | heya Nyle |
| 05:14.34 | Nyle | jim: hi |
| 05:14.37 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 05:14.59 | jim | wanted to ask you if you ever had RME hdsp stuff running under linux |
| 05:15.05 | JW | Hey can someone help me some more? This "apt-get -t unstable source" was not part of the instructions "dpkg" so kindly offered ;-) niether of the commands "dpkg"said said to use are working still |
| 05:15.15 | JW | I'm talking about: apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename |
| 05:15.40 | JW | what's the trick? make; make deb? |
| 05:15.42 | Nyle | JW: apt-get build-dep libruby1.8 |
| 05:15.59 | JW | Nyle: right, but that's what I'm saying: that still doens't work |
| 05:16.08 | jim | why? |
| 05:16.21 | JW | neither does apt-get -b source libruby1.8 |
| 05:16.38 | JW | neither of those commands work for libruby1.8 nor ruby1.8 |
| 05:16.44 | Nyle | JW: WHAT does it say? |
| 05:16.45 | JW | doesn't matter what directory I'm in either. |
| 05:16.47 | Nyle | !doesn't work |
| 05:16.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 05:17.25 | JW | Nyle: yeah, I know - you've missed the first half of the conversation already. It always says, no matter which apt-get command I try I get this error: E: Unable to find a source package for ruby1.8 |
| 05:17.46 | wols | JW: then fix that |
| 05:18.00 | wols | JW: what is in your sources.list? |
| 05:18.02 | jim | ahh. you could just get the files for that and extract it yourself |
| 05:18.05 | Nyle | JW: pastebin the output of apt-get update to me |
| 05:18.11 | Nyle | !paster JW |
| 05:18.11 | dpkg | JW: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 05:18.13 | JW | Nyle: I have recived that error or one very close to it for every apt-get command I have tried tonight that pertains to this ruby business. The only thing that's worked this whole night isapt-get -t unstable source libruby1.8 |
| 05:18.17 | JW | and apt-get -t unstable source libruby1.8 |
| 05:18.27 | jetscreamer | why is it: when i'm in windows, i want to work on linux. when i'm in linux, i want to work on windows. |
| 05:18.39 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I know man... I thought I was the only one |
| 05:18.39 | jim | let's see if it can be found manually |
| 05:18.41 | JW | Nyle: and wols: you're a little late to the party: I already pasted here: http://rafb.net/p/ZGDO0X63.html |
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| 05:19.05 | wols | jetscreamer: it's called procrastination aka "I want to avoid work" |
| 05:19.16 | JW | wols: simonrvn was trying to help me but I'm afraid he's given me up for stupid |
| 05:19.35 | kgoetz | is there a way to flush all the data out of a mysql database without destroyingthe db? |
| 05:19.41 | jim | hmm. libruby-extras? |
| 05:19.54 | JW | wols: apt-get update comming up in paste bin . . . |
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| 05:19.56 | wols | when you have NO FUCKING deb-src for main, how do you expect it to download any source? |
| 05:19.59 | Nyle | JW: thanks |
| 05:20.08 | jim | libruby1.8 does not appear to be in the archive. |
| 05:20.26 | JW | wols: I don't know, that's what simonrvn told me to do! I even asked if I should have a deb-src for min and he told me know :-( |
| 05:20.30 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/sid/ruby1.8 |
| 05:20.39 | wols | and if you can't do it, do as jim said and download and dpkg it it manually |
| 05:21.20 | JW | wols: do you understand that I am trying to get the new updted packge from sid, and rebuild the source on stable, because I don't want to update libc and the 3-dozen other packages that it wants to install when I install the binary from sid(or testing, either oen)? |
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| 05:21.25 | jetscreamer | libdbm-ruby1.8 |
| 05:21.30 | jetscreamer | i see no libruby |
| 05:21.32 | jim | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.8 <-- stick this in a web bropwser :) |
| 05:21.36 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/ruby1.8 |
| 05:21.48 | jetscreamer | wols: repasting my paste eh |
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| 05:22.06 | wols | jetscreamer: didn't see it |
| 05:22.23 | JW | Ok, look I'm not trying to make anyone angry. I had a few people (like simonrvn and \amethyst) tell me to do it this way. |
| 05:22.24 | jetscreamer | wols: it says main doesn't it? his source i mean |
| 05:22.36 | JW | Now you new folks come ane tell me to do something different :-) |
| 05:22.39 | jim | JW: get the following three files: |
| 05:22.42 | jetscreamer | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:22.46 | jetscreamer | it's hiding |
| 05:22.49 | Nyle | libruby1.8 |
| 05:23.03 | jim | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.8/ruby1.8_1.8.6.111-3.diff.gz |
| 05:23.04 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i see no libruby |
| 05:23.10 | Nyle | cuz you're a tool |
| 05:23.17 | jim | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.8/ruby1.8_1.8.6.111-3.dsc |
| 05:23.27 | JW | jim: I already got those |
| 05:23.28 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i see libruby |
| 05:23.30 | jim | jetscreamer: no it's there |
| 05:23.38 | jim | JW: and one mor |
| 05:23.38 | JW | jim: that's what simonrvn had me get |
| 05:23.43 | JW | jim: I have 3 more |
| 05:23.48 | jetscreamer | Nyle: that's Mr.Tool to you |
| 05:23.53 | jim | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.8/ruby1.8_1.8.6.111.orig.tar.gz |
| 05:23.56 | Nyle | pool/main/r/ruby1.8/libruby1.8_1.8.6.111-4_i386.deb |
| 05:23.56 | jetscreamer | respect your elders |
| 05:24.08 | jim | if you have those three files, then put them in one dir |
| 05:24.09 | Nyle | earn it. |
| 05:24.32 | jim | use dpkg-source -x *.dsc |
| 05:24.33 | jetscreamer | i already did. i'd tell you about it, but then i'd have to kill you. |
| 05:24.34 | JW | jim, wols and Nyle: please as I already said I did apt-get -t unstable source ruby1.8 and apt-get -t unstable source libruby1.8 and it worked! That is what simonrvn told me to do. |
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| 05:24.42 | Nyle | yeh |
| 05:24.43 | JW | but what do I do with those directories now? |
| 05:24.44 | Nyle | yu're right |
| 05:24.48 | Nyle | I respect you |
| 05:24.52 | Nyle | but not because you're older than me |
| 05:25.01 | Nyle | imo age doesn't automatically constitute respect |
| 05:25.04 | JW | the only other instructions I was given was to do apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename |
| 05:25.05 | jim | JW: those three files are the source you want |
| 05:25.13 | JW | and yse I know to replace "package name" |
| 05:25.19 | JW | but those do not work |
| 05:25.44 | JW | so what do I do with these directories that apt-get -t unstable source ruby1.8 and apt-get -t unstable source libruby1.8 created? |
| 05:25.52 | JW | as in, how do I build a deb out of them? |
| 05:26.34 | JW | jim: correct me if I'm wrong, but those files youre telling me to get - I'm going to just wind up with another copy of the files and directories that I already got with apt-get -t unstable source, right? |
| 05:26.38 | JW | or am I wrong about that? |
| 05:26.42 | jim | yes |
| 05:26.50 | jim | nono you're righ6t |
| 05:26.57 | JW | Ok, so we are on the same page then |
| 05:26.59 | hoxu | !enter |
| 05:26.59 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 05:27.07 | JW | jim: so now, what next? that's where I'm stuck |
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| 05:27.29 | jim | the next part is to extract (which also may have been done) |
| 05:27.33 | JW | I'm not completely stupid, just confused with too many conflicting instructions. |
| 05:27.38 | jim | maybe I should try this |
| 05:27.50 | JW | jim: yes, apt already extract AND patched for me |
| 05:28.02 | jim | ok, so you have the source |
| 05:28.03 | JW | jim: so now I have these dirs |
| 05:28.04 | JW | yes |
| 05:28.06 | JW | and they are patched |
| 05:28.06 | jim | that much did work |
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| 05:28.23 | JW | yes, that's the ONLY thing that has worked all night (thank you, simonrvn ) |
| 05:28.33 | jim | so now the next part is how to build |
| 05:28.41 | JW | jim: right on, man. |
| 05:29.02 | jim | you have to satisfy at least some of the build requirements... hopefully the others are libs that can be used as they are |
| 05:29.20 | JW | now when you say build requirements - just tell me this: |
| 05:29.22 | jim | probably you need a later debhelper |
| 05:29.30 | jim | ok |
| 05:29.40 | JW | when I tried tried to run "apt-get build-dep rails1.8" |
| 05:29.45 | wols | so what happens if you run dpkg-buildpackage now? |
| 05:29.47 | jim | rails? |
| 05:29.50 | jim | hmm :) |
| 05:30.00 | JW | no, no, sorry my bad fingers: now I'm rushing too much |
| 05:30.02 | jim | let's not get ahead of ourselfs :) |
| 05:30.06 | JW | when I tried tried to run "apt-get build-dep ruby1.8" |
| 05:30.09 | kgoetz | i find dpkg-checkdepends is good too, fwiw |
| 05:30.13 | wols | you don't need rails to get ruby to build |
| 05:30.23 | JW | it installed a bunch of devel and compiling packages: |
| 05:30.25 | jim | kgoetz, never tried that one |
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| 05:30.32 | JW | wols: please forgive me, I did NOT mean to type rails :-) |
| 05:30.34 | jim | rails uses ruby, not the other way around |
| 05:30.38 | JW | I know! lol |
| 05:30.41 | jim | ok |
| 05:30.43 | jim | :) |
| 05:30.43 | JW | it was a typo |
| 05:30.46 | kgoetz | jim: tells you what depends you need to install, without running apt |
| 05:30.47 | wols | JW: answer my question please |
| 05:30.56 | JW | wols: looking at what you said now . . . |
| 05:31.26 | jim | you would have to run that command inside the source dir (just inside that is) |
| 05:31.35 | JW | jim: yes, doing that |
| 05:31.50 | JW | wols: there, that's what I was trying to find out was what to run - I didn't know |
| 05:31.56 | JW | ok, dependancies missing |
| 05:31.59 | wols | JW: I just told you. run it |
| 05:32.01 | JW | Unmet build dependencies: cdbs autotools-dev dpatch |
| 05:32.04 | wols | JW: paste |
| 05:32.07 | JW | wols: I know, I'm saying, thanks |
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| 05:32.23 | wols | then install the dependencies. manually if you must. etch versions |
| 05:32.24 | JW | installing those 3 now |
| 05:32.27 | JW | with apt get |
| 05:32.34 | jim | ok |
| 05:32.35 | JW | don't know any way to do it but manually |
| 05:32.51 | JW | running dpkg-buildpackage again now |
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| 05:32.57 | JW | finally seems to be working |
| 05:33.22 | jim | so you satisfied the build reqs and it's making more progress |
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| 05:33.45 | JW | jim: yes, please remember that this is the very first time tonight that someone told me to run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:33.48 | jim | btw |
| 05:33.51 | jim | is ruby good? |
| 05:34.04 | JW | earlier they were all telling me to run "apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename" |
| 05:34.06 | wols | JW: it's a designed scripting language |
| 05:34.11 | JW | which wasn't working at all |
| 05:34.39 | JW | jim: it's supposed to be nice and easy. I don't use it I'm not a programmer - I'm a package-installing-monkey :-D |
| 05:34.50 | Nyle | dude really |
| 05:34.55 | jim | how do you mean designed? (I assume, wols, you meant that for me?) |
| 05:34.58 | Nyle | I dunno what you did, but backporting is a piece of cake |
| 05:35.13 | wols | jim: php is a scripting language which is thrown together without much or any thought |
| 05:35.23 | Nyle | wols: but it gets the job done |
| 05:35.26 | JW | Nyle: I am really open to all corrections Nyle did you read my first pastebin http://rafb.net/p/ZGDO0X63.html |
| 05:35.28 | wols | ruby is a language where its developers think before they implement it |
| 05:35.30 | jim | how does tcl compare? |
| 05:35.44 | JW | Nyle: and do you realise there there is no backport of 1.8.6 for Etch yet? |
| 05:35.46 | Nyle | yes |
| 05:35.48 | Nyle | yes i did |
| 05:35.50 | wols | ruby is more elegant I'd say |
| 05:35.57 | nevyn | I'm actually really enjoying ruby |
| 05:35.58 | Nyle | JW: it is really really easy |
| 05:36.05 | wols | JW: you are backporting it right now |
| 05:36.08 | JW | Nyle: I'm DYING for you to tell me then! |
| 05:36.15 | wols | and backport is (often) easy. as it is in this case |
| 05:36.22 | JW | wols: that's what I thought but seems Nyle is hinting at something else |
| 05:36.25 | wols | nothing to edit it seems. all dependencies are still in etch |
| 05:36.29 | nevyn | My choice has been determined by the fact that puppet is implemented in it but.. I'm not hating it |
| 05:36.37 | jim | Nyle: with some background knowledge, yes, it's easy |
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| 05:36.56 | JW | simonrvn: was trying to get me to do something else, but it wasn't working, and he said he didn't know why it wasn't working (that was the whole apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename thing) |
| 05:36.57 | Nyle | JW: I am hinting at the fact that you probably don't understand what you need to do in order to backport |
| 05:37.08 | JW | Nyle: I'll agree with that! |
| 05:37.15 | Nyle | if you undrestood the concept, before you blindly starting typing commands people told you, you would have been better off |
| 05:37.16 | JW | Nyle: you're welcome to clue me in |
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| 05:37.56 | JW | Nyle: possibly, but at the beginning when I came in here I was looking for a prebuilt backport, and ever since then I've been trying all these different things people were asking me to try |
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| 05:38.04 | JW | Nyle: I don't think you were here at the beginning |
| 05:38.23 | Nyle | JW: first you download the source package, there are many ways of doing that. secondly, you satisfy the package's build dependencies, meaning stuft you need in order to build its source. then you build the source you downloaded. |
| 05:38.36 | jim | how else would someone have started? |
| 05:38.38 | Nyle | there are many ways of accomplishing this, and while apt-get makes thingy easy, it is not the only way to do things |
| 05:38.42 | JW | Nyle: I could have told them to "hold on" while I left and read documentation but I thought I'd better not make them wait ;-) |
| 05:39.17 | Nyle | JW: fuck people, you're here to help yourself. people will be here regardless, but they will appreciate helping you more if you make the extra effort in order to understand |
| 05:39.18 | jim | Nyle: these days no one ever sees dpkg |
| 05:39.35 | JW | Nyle: I really do know all those things, but what I didn't know what the details for each stepL for example: how do I get the source, what's the best way? well I've been given several varying answers tonight, some worked, some didn't. |
| 05:39.52 | Nyle | I literally badger these people with questiosn when I'm on a problem, but I always am a step ahead, they tell me to type a command, I look it up and try to understand what it does and how this would work before I do it |
| 05:39.53 | JW | Nyle: and once I got the source I didn't know how to build until wols told me |
| 05:39.57 | Nyle | and I swear to god |
| 05:40.04 | jim | JW: as you have seen, there are at least two ways |
| 05:40.04 | Nyle | I'm such a noob, I don't know jack shit about anything |
| 05:40.09 | JW | Nyle: be nice, I'm trying to understand |
| 05:40.21 | Nyle | I just read docs once, I try to understand, and then ask questions here and that is really what helps |
| 05:40.27 | JW | Nyle: and I /was/ trying to figure it out for myself, first, also |
| 05:40.32 | jetscreamer | !preach |
| 05:40.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, preach is telling people knoppix is better than debian |
| 05:40.36 | Nyle | JW: please don't misunderstand me |
| 05:40.37 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:40.38 | JW | not *just* begging for hand-outs |
| 05:40.42 | jetscreamer | lame factoid |
| 05:40.47 | Nyle | I never implied any of those things |
| 05:40.58 | jetscreamer | ^meant to |
| 05:40.59 | JW | Nyle: it's a little hard to tell what you're implying :-) |
| 05:41.16 | jim | so preaching is not saying debian is better than knoppix? :) |
| 05:41.19 | Nyle | I am merely emphasizing the importance of comprehension, that is what differenciates a noob from one who wants to not be a noob |
| 05:41.33 | Nyle | and I'm not saying you're doing any of those things |
| 05:41.36 | Nyle | I'm just saying in general |
| 05:41.41 | Nyle | I'm always fucking misunderstood man |
| 05:41.42 | Nyle | always |
| 05:41.43 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 05:41.48 | JW | I see, said the blind man ;-) |
| 05:42.00 | jetscreamer | what did you say nyle? i didn't understand you... |
| 05:42.03 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:42.04 | JW | Nyle: perhaps because it looks like you're saying something different than you really are? |
| 05:42.13 | Nyle | JW: perhaps |
| 05:42.16 | JW | Nyle: because I sure thought you were trying to correct me :-) |
| 05:42.21 | JW | because of the way you said it |
| 05:42.22 | jim | Nyle: :P nice story :) |
| 05:42.34 | Nyle | 00:37 < Nyle> JW: fuck people, you're here to help yourself. people will be here regardless, but they will appreciate helping you more if you make the extra effort in order to understand |
| 05:42.38 | jetscreamer | ppl always think i'm visciously attacking them, when i'm not. |
| 05:42.40 | Nyle | thats what threw you off? |
| 05:43.00 | jim | I think he thought he was trying to do that |
| 05:43.01 | Nyle | I just meant, dont' worry about keeping them waiting |
| 05:43.19 | Nyle | just go do your thing and read, people will be here when you're done reading |
| 05:43.21 | JW | Nyle: no, earlier than that (though I guess that was part of it) |
| 05:43.31 | Nyle | I still don't see anything bad I said |
| 05:43.45 | JW | Nyle: but I might not be, and when someone is here telling me "try this - try that" I'm going to try it :-) |
| 05:43.52 | JW | Nyle: I didn't say it was *bad* |
| 05:44.00 | Nyle | well its all good |
| 05:44.04 | Nyle | lets get back to the problem |
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| 05:44.23 | jim | maybe the package has built by now :) |
| 05:44.24 | JW | I just said, it looked like it was directed at me, and not "general" as you just said here towards the end: "[23:46] <Nyle> I'm just saying in general" |
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| 05:44.34 | JW | package is still building |
| 05:44.41 | jim | oh, nice |
| 05:44.55 | JW | and I hope I am able to donate the package to someone else after I go through all this effort |
| 05:44.57 | Nyle | I just give up helping people when I see that they have no desire to learn |
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| 05:45.10 | Nyle | I consider it a waste of my time |
| 05:45.22 | jim | it's desire versus present capacity |
| 05:45.37 | JW | Nyle: I know exactly what you mean. And in addition to that, I give up helping people when I"m sitting here saying "Do x, y and z" and they don't do what I ask but wander off to read or try something else instead |
| 05:46.00 | jim | capacity can grow in seconds, but before it happens, the learner can be feeling frustrated at the time |
| 05:46.03 | JW | :-( package build died over a GPG problem. |
| 05:46.15 | Nyle | JW: well I guess we have differening opinions |
| 05:46.19 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:46.27 | nevyn | unsigned changes |
| 05:46.33 | jim | oh, beautiful... so just restart with nevyn's thing |
| 05:46.34 | JW | Nyle: no, I just have one more in addition to yours |
| 05:46.46 | nevyn | unsigned binaries -ub I think as well... |
| 05:46.59 | JW | hey the other day I used a paste bin that automatically notified the channel, which one was that? |
| 05:47.06 | JW | does anyone know? |
| 05:47.07 | Nyle | JW: if i came in here asking about something I never did before, and they say try x,y,z, I'd go look up x,y,z before I did it on my system. Maybe its just me |
| 05:47.14 | Nyle | JW: maybe I'm crazy |
| 05:47.32 | Nyle | JW: crazy enough to not blindly do thigns people on irc tell me to type in my computer |
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| 05:47.49 | JW | Nyle: yes, I believe that is just you. In my case I WILL go read all about x, y and z - but I' won't make the people helping me wait while I do it: I'll read docs later, take help while it's bein offered |
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| 05:48.05 | jim | JW: I've seen that too |
| 05:48.43 | JW | Nyle: I'm crazy enough not to do things people tell me to do on IRC if I'm not comfortable with it, but I belive I know enough to tell the difference between legitimate help and wild guesses (or malicious sugestions) |
| 05:48.44 | Nyle | JW: that is probably WHY it only takes me 1 try to do get something done right... |
| 05:48.54 | jim | JW: you can also say "I need time to think, I'll be back", nothing wrong with that |
| 05:48.57 | JW | Nyle: if your way works for you, bless your heard. |
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| 05:49.03 | Nyle | JW: simply put, the more you know, the better you do. The more you know about something, the better you can use something. |
| 05:49.32 | JW | I meant your heart, so sorry. |
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| 05:49.39 | jim | :) |
| 05:49.53 | JW | jim: but I don't /need/ time to think when someone who knows what they're talking about is directing me |
| 05:50.03 | jim | JW: ok |
| 05:50.11 | JW | jim: don't you agree? |
| 05:50.22 | Nyle | the other day, valdyn was helping me to debootstrap amd64, which I've never installed like this before, and he told me a few commands to type and I didn't type them until I looked them up and discussed it with him |
| 05:50.31 | jim | JW: well how can I agree or disagree,,, you're saying something about yourself |
| 05:50.47 | Nyle | and if I had typed them in without understanding him, I would have fucked up my box |
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| 05:51.11 | Nyle | cuz he told me stuff which was right, but minor details were diff cuz of my system which i had to modify in the commands he said |
| 05:51.14 | JW | jim: if wols or simonrvn, who seem to be hold pros here, gave you steps to do to fix a particular problem, would you just do it, or would you go look them all up first? |
| 05:51.25 | jim | JW: I'm just suggesting another possible approach |
| 05:52.01 | jim | JW: a little of both... |
| 05:52.02 | JW | jim: I know. I'm saying, there's a time for your approach. I'm curious to know if you ever thing there's a time for my approach, also? |
| 05:52.08 | JW | *think |
| 05:52.12 | Nyle | never. |
| 05:52.15 | JW | bah, can't type tonight. |
| 05:52.23 | Nyle | I never blindly type commands others tell me |
| 05:52.32 | Nyle | sorry. |
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| 05:52.47 | Nyle | I dont' care who you are, what you have to say or where you're from, you could be a debian god |
| 05:52.53 | Nyle | if I don't know wtf I'm doing, Im NOT gonna do it |
| 05:52.57 | JW | Nyle: there's a difference between blindly and the ability to discern what's good and what's questionable. |
| 05:53.01 | Nyle | simple as that |
| 05:53.13 | jetscreamer | god ya'll still goin on about that? |
| 05:53.14 | Nyle | you keep to your approach and I'll keep to mine :) we're both happy |
| 05:53.23 | JW | Nyle: can't you ever tell when something is knew to you that it's ok to do even though you don't know everything about it? |
| 05:53.27 | JW | *new |
| 05:53.31 | JW | jetscreamer: oh yeah ;-) |
| 05:53.32 | Nyle | not everything |
| 05:53.35 | Nyle | I like to have an idea |
| 05:53.51 | PythonNinja | apt still won't let me install, because i don't have a lib, but i do have it |
| 05:53.52 | JW | Nyle: same her. |
| 05:53.58 | Nyle | I understand that you are considerate of other people's time |
| 05:54.05 | Nyle | and thats is a great thing |
| 05:54.07 | Nyle | absolutely it is |
| 05:54.22 | JW | Nyle: but I don't require a 90% idea, either. I can guess what a command is gonig to do without reaing it's man page most of the time (not all, but most) |
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| 05:54.36 | JW | Nyle: and I have never fried my system while using this method of mine |
| 05:54.38 | Nyle | JW: why be fundamentalist about it |
| 05:54.44 | Nyle | of coruse you don't have to look up every single command |
| 05:54.44 | JW | Nyle: I've been at it for 10 years, it's worked so hard |
| 05:54.45 | Nyle | duh |
| 05:54.46 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:54.56 | JW | Nyle: well I'm sorry that's what you were starting to sound like :-) |
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| 05:55.12 | jim | yeah, agreed. but you can be considerate of your time, their time, and your present capacity to understand |
| 05:55.13 | JW | Nyle: BTW I'm just talking now, I don't want to irritate you |
| 05:55.25 | Nyle | jim: which is what I'm trying to tell him |
| 05:55.31 | Nyle | I'm not irritated |
| 05:55.37 | Nyle | I'm just highly misunderstood |
| 05:55.42 | Nyle | maybe I just dont know how to talk to people |
| 05:55.46 | jim | there's that story again :) |
| 05:55.55 | Nyle | but whatever it is, I find that most people are irritated by me |
| 05:56.03 | Nyle | :D |
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| 05:56.12 | JW | and I'm trying to say I do understand, and I go look things up when I don't. But I also am willing to follow directions and I'm comfortable guessing which things are ok and which things need consideration *first* |
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| 05:56.31 | Nyle | JW: I follow directions too |
| 05:56.40 | Nyle | but I look at each direction and see what it tells me to do |
| 05:56.48 | Nyle | I like to have an idea about it before I do it |
| 05:56.49 | Nyle | thats all |
| 05:56.53 | JW | Nyle: and so do I, so do I. |
| 05:57.01 | JW | so look, we're agreed :-) |
| 05:57.03 | Nyle | maybe I take my approach to an extreme where I lookup everything |
| 05:57.05 | Nyle | but.. thats jus tme |
| 05:57.09 | JW | I think so :-) |
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| 05:57.31 | JW | Nyle: I like to look everything up too. But I don't always look it up before trying :-) |
| 05:57.37 | Nyle | oh I do |
| 05:57.47 | Nyle | I never type other people's commands before I understand it a bit |
| 05:57.53 | JW | Nyle: and I think often that I just dont know how to talk , either :-) |
| 05:58.04 | JW | Nyle: key words there are "a bit" |
| 05:58.08 | danykey | hi to all..How install iceweasel32 on debian64..I tried install, but dpkg say "package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)" |
| 05:58.25 | Nyle | JW: well, with me, a bit is a BIT |
| 05:58.28 | Nyle | like a lot of BIT |
| 05:58.29 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:58.30 | JW | "a bit" != 100% :-) |
| 05:58.33 | JW | lol |
| 05:58.34 | Nyle | lol usually |
| 05:58.54 | jim | danykey: it won't work... you need to install the 64b compile of it |
| 05:58.56 | JW | Nyle: ok I'll stop now before I upset you or someone else, I'm not trying to prove any points. |
| 05:59.00 | Nyle | but in all honesty, every new project takes me usually only 1 try to get done correctly |
| 05:59.01 | jetscreamer | does anybody know what it is about xp that denies root permission to cp (all) the xp files on a partition? cp'ing w2k works great. |
| 05:59.12 | Nyle | because of the way I approach things |
| 05:59.24 | Speedism | hey, you guys heard about that local exploit? |
| 05:59.29 | JW | Nyle: does that mean every command you type in the terminal/console almost always works? |
| 05:59.29 | Speedism | Linux vmsplice Local Root Exploit |
| 05:59.36 | Nyle | JW: indeed |
| 05:59.42 | Nyle | JW: usually 100% of the times |
| 05:59.45 | Penix | zomg teh skyz r falllng |
| 05:59.45 | jetscreamer | Speedism: already fixed |
| 05:59.50 | jetscreamer | in debian |
| 05:59.51 | jim | Speedism: old news :) there are already patched kernels |
| 06:00.07 | JW | Nyle: well you're a better man than I for sure, and quite frankly, I'm not sure I believe you :-) it makes me curious though |
| 06:00.16 | wols | Speedism: before asking next time, go to security.debian.org |
| 06:00.40 | Nyle | JW: well man, like I said, if you understand what you do, you only need a hint or an idea from people, you can do it all yourself |
| 06:00.43 | Nyle | which is what I do |
| 06:00.44 | jetscreamer | hey i asked, earlier today :) |
| 06:01.09 | jetscreamer | go eat an orange |
| 06:01.14 | jim | he only posted two lines... not enough to flood, and even not the two lines sufficiently together to be considered part of a flood by the bot |
| 06:01.30 | jim | or bart simpson's shorts :P |
| 06:01.42 | JW | he other day I used a paste bin that automatically notified the channel, does anyone know which one was is? |
| 06:01.45 | jetscreamer | no the orange was for nyle |
| 06:01.52 | jim | oh :) |
| 06:01.52 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 06:01.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 06:02.30 | Speedism | ahhh |
| 06:02.37 | Speedism | well just found out about it like 10m ago |
| 06:02.44 | JW | jim: what are you trying exactly? |
| 06:02.46 | Speedism | so wanted to let everyone know if they haven't already |
| 06:03.32 | JW | Nyle: and jim can you look at this signature error? http://paste.debian.net/48972 |
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| 06:03.40 | JW | it's keeping the package from building |
| 06:03.57 | JW | wols: are you still here? |
| 06:04.07 | jim | JW: you're doing dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 06:04.11 | JW | jim yes |
| 06:04.19 | jim | add -uc -ub |
| 06:04.21 | JW | jim: that URL pastebin is the end of the process |
| 06:04.35 | wols | JW: I live here |
| 06:04.40 | JW | it didn't like it, spat out an argument list |
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| 06:04.47 | wols | JW: pastebin the output or it didn't happen |
| 06:04.54 | JW | wols: would you mind telling me what to do about this: http://paste.debian.net/48972 |
| 06:05.00 | jim | hmm |
| 06:05.10 | jim | ok, debian/rules build |
| 06:05.19 | wols | JW: nothing |
| 06:05.23 | JW | jim: there's not a -ub option |
| 06:05.25 | JW | wols: meaning? |
| 06:05.44 | wols | it's a warning your package is not signed. of course it isn't, since you don't have the key of Daigo Moriwaki |
| 06:05.45 | JW | jim: did you mean -uc ? |
| 06:05.53 | wols | you better don't have it unless you are Mr. Moriwaki |
| 06:06.01 | JW | wols: does that mean it DID build? |
| 06:06.07 | JW | I thought the build died |
| 06:06.11 | wols | yes. ls ../Ü.deb |
| 06:06.13 | jim | JW: I thought from somethign said earlier here there were both |
| 06:06.13 | wols | yes. ls ../*.deb |
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| 06:08.00 | wols | JW: seen the debs? |
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| 06:08.23 | JW | wols: yes |
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| 06:08.59 | enouf | JW: if i may, i think much confusion occured because (for some odd reason) the "apt-get -b source packagename" didn't work finally as expected (and naturally, we see in hindsight, you were also missing dependencies which "apt-get build-dep packagename" should have pulled in) Now, man apt-get mentions under 'source' section how if the --compile option (--build, or simply -b for build) then "dpkg-buildpackage" is called and utilized .. |
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| 06:09.48 | JW | enouf: your first line is 100% right. Maybe I'm wrong but it didn't seem to me like jim, Nyle and owls understand that so I stopped talking about it |
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| 06:10.11 | enouf | JW: i notice the "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" factoid makes no mention of dpkg-buildpackage, but other factoids do, for the simple backport it shouldn;t be necessary |
| 06:10.36 | enouf | ok, sorry for bringing it up |
| 06:10.43 | JW | enouf: I didn't know how to ask for other factoids, or even that I should |
| 06:11.17 | enouf | i stopped reading about it about 100 lines up ;-) |
| 06:11.17 | JW | enouf: oh know don't be sorry, I'm glad you understand! |
| 06:11.17 | enouf | too long :-P |
| 06:11.17 | JW | that's ok |
| 06:11.17 | JW | yes, too long :-) |
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| 06:11.26 | enouf | !tell JW -about selftell |
| 06:11.33 | enouf | !tell JW -about grounding |
| 06:11.42 | JW | and you search through dpkg like man -k ? |
| 06:11.55 | webPrag\Laptop | anyone use archivemail with debian? |
| 06:12.11 | Penix | no |
| 06:12.12 | webPrag\Laptop | or suggest some sort of mail archival thingy |
| 06:12.17 | JW | and I'm sorry I can't type tonight, it's been a long day. I keep typing dumb things: "rails" instead of "ruby" "know" instead of "no" |
| 06:12.52 | enouf | JW: use listvals abnd listkeys and find and ,. where;s that factoid about blootbot ;-) |
| 06:12.55 | wols | webPrag\Laptop: ipmap server and the magic words is "backups" |
| 06:13.00 | wols | *imap |
| 06:13.07 | enouf | i can never type well |
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| 06:13.29 | JW | enouf: it embarasses me when I'm on IRC trying to get help in a hurry and make dumb typing mistakes |
| 06:13.30 | webPrag\Laptop | wols: well i was looking at archivemail because I think it actually keeps the archived mail accessible |
| 06:13.37 | enouf | my nackspace key is more worn out than a vegas hooker |
| 06:13.44 | JW | it's partly in the fingers and partly in the head. |
| 06:13.58 | enouf | JW: ya know what will help .. pausing .. |
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| 06:14.03 | webPrag\Laptop | wols: with the local client |
| 06:14.17 | wols | webPrag\Laptop: so does the imap server |
| 06:14.19 | JW | it amazes me how sometimes I will type an entirely difference word than I meant to (and spelled right half the time too, like when I typed rails instead of ruby) |
| 06:14.23 | jim | I had a crapload of packages to install |
| 06:14.25 | enouf | and patience .. don;t try so hard responmding so quickly |
| 06:14.27 | JW | it's weird |
| 06:14.51 | JW | enouf: maybe I should slow down but it's so easy to get lost and for others to get lost if you move too slow |
| 06:14.58 | webPrag\Laptop | wols: oh? can you just compress a directory on the imap server or something? where can i find out more about this... right now i have dovcot for my imap/pop |
| 06:15.04 | wols | enouf: but then the other kids say it before me and taunt me with "!lose wols" factoids! |
| 06:15.09 | enouf | especially when there's a group effort going on to help .. sit back and absorb |
| 06:15.18 | enouf | wols: :-P |
| 06:15.37 | enouf | he's right too |
| 06:15.45 | wols | :) |
| 06:15.51 | enouf | hehe |
| 06:15.55 | jim | ok, it's building now |
| 06:16.09 | enouf | !win jim |
| 06:16.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, jim! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 06:16.22 | JW | this thing built a bazjillion deb :-) |
| 06:16.46 | JW | for some reason it's cracking me up. I think I'm too tired :-D |
| 06:16.58 | webPrag\Laptop | wols: ? |
| 06:17.16 | wols | webPrag\Laptop: there is nothing in the imap standard which compresses mail |
| 06:17.44 | webPrag\Laptop | wols: ok what are you talking about using imap to do what archivemail does |
| 06:18.05 | JW | enouf: about the last dpkg message you sent me: I did read those, in fact, I read the entire APT HOWTO chapter 3 AND looked up a bunch of other sutff on google too, and it didn't work as advertised - that's why I came here |
| 06:18.06 | wols | you want a s solution to a problem and I gave you one |
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| 06:18.21 | JW | Ok I have a new question: |
| 06:18.28 | wols | also when you are archiving, backups are a must. does your archivemail do backups? |
| 06:18.29 | enouf | JW: understood |
| 06:18.36 | webPrag\Laptop | i don't understand.... |
| 06:18.39 | Penix | it's mine! |
| 06:18.40 | Penix | get away! |
| 06:18.49 | webPrag\Laptop | i want something that takes a folder archivemail and compresses it |
| 06:18.59 | Penix | if I don't answer first, I'm a bad person |
| 06:19.04 | JW | now that I have gone though all this trouble and built all these packages, can I donate/submit them to backports, or anywhere else where they can be shared and so one else will have to go through this? :-D |
| 06:19.05 | webPrag\Laptop | er .... and archive mail folder |
| 06:19.09 | webPrag\Laptop | an* |
| 06:19.11 | enouf | JW: but understand, learning it all in one day? well .. i guess your job depends on it :-P |
| 06:19.21 | JW | enouf: bingo |
| 06:19.27 | webPrag\Laptop | and compresses it so it may take more time to access but it takes less space |
| 06:19.40 | enouf | JW: worry about that part once you're sure it's bug free ;-) |
| 06:19.48 | wols | webPrag\Laptop: compressing filesystems |
| 06:19.51 | JW | enouf: and the word "all" there is relative. I'm not new to Linx Debian or APT, but I hadn't ever tried this build-a-backport thing before. |
| 06:20.00 | JW | enouf: I'll never know I guess |
| 06:20.06 | enouf | JW: righto |
| 06:20.07 | JW | enouf: cause I'm not the programmer |
| 06:20.20 | enouf | JW: but .. ya know what i mean |
| 06:20.54 | enouf | wait for your boss to fire you and the programmers chasing you with their pockeyprotectors down the hallway |
| 06:21.03 | enouf | <jk> |
| 06:21.33 | enouf | !be a programming barbie |
| 06:21.33 | dpkg | Aww, programming is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 06:21.40 | JW | lol I can't get fired because if I did my boss would be doing what I'm doing right now and he doesn't want to, that's why he hired me:-) |
| 06:22.10 | jim | !be a finding stuff to buy barbie |
| 06:22.10 | dpkg | Aww, finding stuff to buy is HARD! Let's go shopping, jim |
| 06:22.17 | enouf | well.. i can say one thing, you wore Nyle out ;-) |
| 06:22.23 | JW | enouf: my boss tells me all the time "I don't know how you have the patience to do all that stuff!" meaning keeping working at it until I figure it out |
| 06:22.27 | JW | Poor Nyle |
| 06:22.31 | JW | Nyle: I'm sorry. |
| 06:22.31 | enouf | that's a first :-P |
| 06:22.35 | JW | LOL! |
| 06:22.48 | JW | I must admit that I'm pretty . . . what's the word |
| 06:22.51 | wols | enouf: pot gives a small attention span |
| 06:22.53 | JW | tenacious |
| 06:23.10 | wols | which bothers me, cause I can't blame my short attention span on it |
| 06:23.20 | wols | good thing I can blame it on excessive TV |
| 06:23.25 | jim | hm, build is done |
| 06:23.34 | enouf | wols: hehe .. munchies are always looming in the back |
| 06:23.41 | JW | I don't really like to talk a *whole* lot but if you get me going, especially on a back-and-forth banter, I'll keep it up til I've had my say |
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| 06:23.51 | marek` | hey |
| 06:23.53 | jim | yep lotsa debzez |
| 06:23.56 | marek` | how do i get the make-kpkg package? |
| 06:24.07 | jim | apt-get install kernel-packag |
| 06:24.10 | jim | e |
| 06:24.10 | marek` | ah |
| 06:24.11 | marek` | thanks |
| 06:24.11 | enouf | install it |
| 06:24.13 | jim | apt-get install kernel-package |
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| 06:24.19 | JW | next question: I used to recompile source-rpms all the time, and when that produced a million i386.rpm files, I could update *only* the *already installed* packages with rpm -F *.rpm - how can I do that with these debs? |
| 06:24.24 | marek` | i always forget the name of that package |
| 06:24.25 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 06:24.40 | enouf | !tell marek` -about search |
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| 06:25.17 | marek` | oh i forgot about apt-file |
| 06:25.19 | marek` | thanks for the reminder |
| 06:25.24 | enouf | sure ;-) |
| 06:25.58 | JW | enouf: how long has Nyle been around (as in, using linux, or at least Debian)? |
| 06:26.10 | jim | marek`: --initrd given to make-kpkg can do wonders for making .debs that create the initrd image |
| 06:26.32 | enouf | JW: dpkg -l \*pkgname* | grep ^.i should suffice |
| 06:26.39 | enouf | !installed |
| 06:26.39 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 06:27.02 | marek` | jim yeah i know, i'm following the docs that come with kernel-package |
| 06:27.32 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 06:27.34 | JW | enouf: not as fancy as rpm -F ;-) |
| 06:27.39 | marek` | i made a copy of the useful information a while ago, i just forgot some of the packages i needed |
| 06:27.56 | enouf | JW: now, you can use the -u option to apt-get as well, but sigh |
| 06:27.57 | jetscreamer | see also make-kpkg --targets |
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| 06:28.52 | enouf | and --help even .. heck, i review the perl script code in /usr/bin/make-kpkg :-) |
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| 06:31.21 | enouf | JW: another good one is using apt-cache policy <pkg> after an apt-get update to see if any newer version is avail - also, note, an upgrade will only upgrade installed pkgs .. so there, better than rpm ;-) |
| 06:31.51 | simonrvn | rpm is a pita |
| 06:32.14 | JW | simonrvn: did you ever really use it? |
| 06:32.19 | JW | I mean lost? |
| 06:32.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:32.24 | JW | er, lots |
| 06:32.43 | JW | simonrvn: I love apt, but I still like RPM better than dpkg. Maybe I'll get over it some day |
| 06:32.43 | enouf | JW: see, you;re implying diff things above, .deb vs srprm, not typical rpm |
| 06:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpm is the reason I use debian |
| 06:33.06 | JW | enouf: no, I didn't mean that, I guess I didn't say something right. |
| 06:33.18 | JW | enouf: I'm afraid I'm getting lost again . . . you do realise I am only talking about the .deb files sitting in a directory and not packages from the repository |
| 06:33.20 | simonrvn | admittedly there's a couple of options i would like to see in dpkg or apt-cache, but for the most part i prefer debs and that way of package mgt. |
| 06:33.32 | enouf | it;s ok, they work diff |
| 06:33.50 | JW | simonrvn: I'm looking for the dpkg equivilent of "rpm -F *.rpm" right now |
| 06:34.08 | simonrvn | srpm == package.dsc package.diff package.orig.tar.gz |
| 06:34.14 | enouf | .deb files are binary installable packed files .. source files are not .debs yet ;-) |
| 06:34.27 | enouf | er 'packaged' |
| 06:34.38 | jim | JW: whts -F do? |
| 06:34.47 | enouf | find |
| 06:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | "freshen" |
| 06:34.51 | simonrvn | .deb is 2 tarballs and a text file |
| 06:34.58 | JW | Yeah, I was talking about the compiled rpms that I made from rebuilding srpms. and also comparing the "built" rpms to these "built" debs |
| 06:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | \ignore |
| 06:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 06:35.37 | simonrvn | one does the metadata stuff, the other is the actual contents. the text file just describes the deb package format and version |
| 06:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | will never get used to that |
| 06:35.55 | JW | jim: if you have a bunch of rpms in a directory, you might want to install some because they are updates of packages you have already installed, but if you just do rpm -U you'll install the addition packages too |
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| 06:36.30 | JW | jim: with -F, it will check each package first and see if there's already an installed older version. If so, it installs the upgrade, if not, it skips that package. |
| 06:36.45 | jim | so -F only installs those rpm files that are of an older version? |
| 06:36.57 | simonrvn | a lot of this exists in apt (and libapt) |
| 06:37.01 | enouf | my bad, i mispoke about it meaning find and stand corrected |
| 06:37.15 | JW | -F only upgrades packages that are /already/ installed. |
| 06:37.21 | simonrvn | (all of it, just that this stuff is figured out automatically) |
| 06:37.22 | JW | by looking at what' |
| 06:37.22 | jim | ahh |
| 06:37.38 | enouf | apt-get upgrade ; done |
| 06:37.38 | JW | by looking at what's available in the directory, and comparing it to what's inthe RPM database |
| 06:37.50 | enouf | \o/ |
| 06:38.08 | JW | enouf: it doesn't work: |
| 06:38.09 | JW | apt-get upgrade *deb |
| 06:38.15 | JW | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps rpm is better than dpkg... that's because dpkg just does the work for apt |
| 06:38.34 | enouf | when did i write " apt-get upgrade *deb" ? |
| 06:38.35 | JW | enouf: I don't think apt-get reads debs on disk, does it? |
| 06:38.51 | JW | dpkg doesn't seem to have an upgrade option, either |
| 06:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | while with rpm the user does all the work there is to do |
| 06:39.09 | JW | at least I don't see it in the man page |
| 06:39.15 | valdyn | JW: with dpkg, the action you are looking for is a short shell script |
| 06:39.38 | valdyn | JW: apt-get only ever sees packages available on repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:39.42 | jim | dpkg will just install, whether it's an upgrade downgrade or same version |
| 06:39.48 | JW | valdyn: yeah. I guess that was part of my point with the rpm discussion. Yes, that's what I thought |
| 06:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or he could put the debs in a repository? |
| 06:39.53 | jim | it knows how to replace |
| 06:40.19 | jim | or even if the package is not installed at all yet |
| 06:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: the point is, you only use dpkg in rare cases... normally it's just "apt-get install sumthin" |
| 06:40.44 | jim | it sees whether the package is installed, and if so, it does replace prep first |
| 06:41.06 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: um . . . but this conversation is all about packages I just built. Has not much to do with repositores |
| 06:41.20 | valdyn | jim: for what you're trying to do I create a local repo and use apt-get |
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| 06:41.57 | JW | jim: "or even if the package is not installed at all yet" and my problem is, IF it's not installed yet, and you don't want it installed, how you you prevent it from being installed? You can't, it's just like rpm -U, they all get installed |
| 06:41.58 | enouf | apt-ftparchive ? |
| 06:42.14 | jim | yeah, dpkg is for .deb file, apt-get/aptitude/libapt thingys is for aptable collections of .deb files |
| 06:42.55 | jim | but the latter uses the former |
| 06:43.07 | enouf | they are basically frontends for dpkg |
| 06:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: yes, I see that, but that's not the usual thing people do... |
| 06:43.37 | JW | it's not unusual to me. |
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| 06:43.56 | Supaplex | is there anyway to allow aptitude/apt/etc use my own local mirror if the package is available, and if not, use a secondary mirror? The local mirror is on my lan (and much faster) |
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| 06:44.24 | enouf | and in concurrence with CutMeOwnThroat .. that's the beuaty of a binary distro - however, debian has both .. source or binary, your choice |
| 06:45.03 | JW | valdyn: the only script I can come up with is horrible. |
| 06:45.05 | JW | for i in `ls *.deb | awk '{ print $1}' | cut -d '.' -f 1 | cut -d '_' -f 1` ; do dpkg -l $i ; done |
| 06:45.10 | enouf | Supaplex: look at apt.conf? |
| 06:45.11 | JW | way too much output. |
| 06:45.16 | enouf | and proxy? |
| 06:45.24 | JW | I want a simple yes or no answer, any way to get taht? |
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| 06:45.45 | enouf | please don't use ls in a for loop ;-) |
| 06:45.45 | Supaplex | the local lan isn't proxy, but I'll look into apt.conf |
| 06:45.46 | JW | ok tail helps a little |
| 06:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: if you build a lot of debs on a regular basis, you should probably put them in a repository... that's what a lot of debs are for |
| 06:45.58 | JW | enouf: I've never learned how to do anything else |
| 06:46.03 | JW | enouf: how would you do it? |
| 06:46.10 | \amethyst | JW: the -O option to dpkg might be useful |
| 06:46.15 | enouf | for i in *.deb works |
| 06:46.19 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: and if it's one in a great while? |
| 06:46.20 | \amethyst | JW: "Only process the packages that are selected for installation" |
| 06:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: then you can add the repository to your sources.list (e.g. with file instead of ftp or http) and just do apt-get upgrade (or apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 06:46.56 | JW | enouf: yeah true. I've had times when `ls *.deb` worked and *.deb didn't, I don't remember the situation, but ever since then I always used the escaped ls |
| 06:47.01 | \amethyst | JW: the selected state isn't exactly the same as the current state, but it might be more useful here |
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| 06:48.06 | enouf | dpkg-query too may be of help |
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| 06:48.10 | \amethyst | JW: so dpkg -O -i *.deb will install each deb that is either 1. installed and not selected to be removed or 2. not installed, but marked to be installed |
| 06:48.21 | \amethyst | s/marked/selected/ |
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| 06:48.32 | JW | enouf: you couldn't do ll that piping without using a sub-shell anyway (and ls) |
| 06:48.35 | JW | for i in `ls *.deb | awk '{ print $1}' | cut -d '.' -f 1 | cut -d '_' -f 1` ; do dpkg -l $i | tail -1 ; done | grep ii |
| 06:48.58 | enouf | omg .. lol |
| 06:50.03 | JW | enouf: ok I"m funny but please help me |
| 06:50.09 | JW | I don't know any better |
| 06:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW more like dpkg -l |grep [hi]i |awk '{print $2}' |xargs dpkg -i |
| 06:50.15 | JW | Now you have me laughing at myself |
| 06:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | although, that will produce a lot of errors :) |
| 06:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (one error for every package that doesn't exist) |
| 06:50.42 | JW | enouf: what would YOU do? :-D |
| 06:50.52 | enouf | it's too much for me atm, i'm sure i could get atleast 90% there if i tried, but i'm pooped |
| 06:50.53 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: well that's what I get too |
| 06:51.01 | deadcat | i want to print 1 image the size of a 8x10 paper.. what pixel do i use? |
| 06:51.06 | JW | enouf: if you ever think of it I'd love to know |
| 06:51.22 | \amethyst | deadcat: that depends on how many DPI your print it at |
| 06:51.28 | \amethyst | s/your/you/ |
| 06:51.29 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: what does the [hi]i do, match the "^ii" ? |
| 06:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: haven't tried that, though - might need to do xargs -i '{}'*deb or something, though |
| 06:51.41 | enouf | JW: there's an easier way, i'm almost postive - and others reminding you about using a local mirror/repo are right on |
| 06:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: yes - or hi ... and yes, I forgot the "^" there :) |
| 06:51.56 | freezer | wow |
| 06:52.01 | \amethyst | I'm telling you, dpkg -O -i *.deb |
| 06:52.03 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: brilliant! |
| 06:52.09 | enouf | half-installed |
| 06:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: yours looks shorter :) |
| 06:52.40 | deadcat | \amethyst: regular paper. |
| 06:52.47 | freezer | i wouldn't believe how good vacuum cleaner can reomve cat hair :p |
| 06:52.56 | cyberjames | haha |
| 06:53.03 | JW | you guys are funny. Why on earth would prefere to take the time to build my own repository (which I have no idea how to do) rather than select quickly from ones in a directory with a shell command? :-D |
| 06:53.04 | jim | why? did you try it on a cat? :) |
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| 06:53.09 | freezer | my room now looks like a room for living again :D |
| 06:53.12 | marek` | i had mounted a nfs share the other day, and i forgot to unmount it before i disconnected the computer that was sharing it |
| 06:53.13 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: the only downside, which could be an upside, is that it looks at the selected state instead of the current state |
| 06:53.27 | freezer | lol --- no the person who lived before me here obviously had one .oO |
| 06:53.28 | cyberjames | nice one freezer |
| 06:53.34 | marek` | now its like the connection isnt timing out |
| 06:53.38 | JW | \amethyst: I have several computers to try this on so I'll try all methods and see which one works bets :-D |
| 06:53.39 | marek` | and i cant seem to unmount it |
| 06:53.40 | JW | best |
| 06:53.41 | jim | they want to protect you from the evil dpkg :) |
| 06:53.44 | marek` | is there a way to unmount it? |
| 06:53.47 | \amethyst | deadcat: if you're planning on printing at 300dpi, for example, you'd want something like 2400x3000 |
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| 06:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: because you want to share all the .debs you built with other people who want exactly what you wanted |
| 06:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 06:54.06 | jim | I have them too now |
| 06:54.14 | JW | drumrool please: here goes \amethyst 's version |
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| 06:54.30 | \amethyst | deadcat: but if you're taking it to a fancy 1200dpi printer, you could usefully do 9600x12000 |
| 06:54.51 | JW | oh, no: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of liberb-ruby: liberb-ruby depends on libruby; however: Package libruby is not installed. |
| 06:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | marek`: not really.. but I guess you could use the option for "lazy" |
| 06:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: that's what apt is for... |
| 06:55.15 | JW | how weird, libruby is too installed |
| 06:55.24 | marek` | what is that? |
| 06:55.34 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: have you been here following my own thread for like 3 hours? |
| 06:55.42 | JW | maybe 4 hours? |
| 06:55.50 | jim | JW: I just cd .. and then dpkg -i *.deb |
| 06:55.55 | jim | everything went fine |
| 06:56.00 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: apt is not a possibility right now |
| 06:56.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | marek`: man umount ... search for lazy |
| 06:56.07 | JW | jim: I did cd .. of course |
| 06:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW, no, only the last 1.5 hours... |
| 06:56.41 | enouf | JW: heh, i had this leftover from a trial/problem once; dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
| 06:56.45 | JW | jim: but YOU just installed ALL those files, regardless of whether or not you needed them, and regardless of wheather or not they were previously installed |
| 06:56.55 | enouf | "List all installed Pkgs + Installed-Size, and sort by largest" |
| 06:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: and now I can say: this is where my solution of building a repository from the debs scores *g* |
| 06:57.11 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: ok you win |
| 06:57.21 | PythonNinja | why is apt whining that i don't have a package installed, that i DO have.. it is one beta behind it's deps though, how do i specify what version? |
| 06:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: because apt would have told you about the conflict before you would have run into the mess you're in now |
| 06:57.26 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: and how many hears does THAT take? (building your own repo) |
| 06:58.06 | enouf | hrm |
| 06:58.13 | enouf | !auto-apt |
| 06:58.13 | dpkg | from memory, auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 06:58.46 | JW | Ok, I'm whooped and I have to start a whole nother project before I can go home and go to sleep. |
| 06:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: dunno, never done it - building the directory structure: 5-10 minutes ... building Packages.gz or Contents-i386.gz ... 20 seconds figuring out how to do the last thing... depends |
| 06:58.56 | JW | I'll fight with ruby more tomorrow |
| 06:59.25 | freezer | is 'mold' the right word for the stuff which grows on food if you don't eat it? |
| 06:59.34 | jim | JW: so, the .debs are there and you tried "dpkg -i *.deb"? |
| 06:59.34 | enouf | !mirror |
| 06:59.35 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 06:59.53 | JW | /me notes that there are now THREE libruby debs in this directory and wonders what the joke is |
| 07:00.05 | Nyle | JW: may I msg you? |
| 07:00.06 | jim | mold is a word for an organism |
| 07:00.06 | enouf | freezer: that's freezer burn O.o |
| 07:00.24 | JW | Nyle: yes |
| 07:00.48 | freezer | http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&search=schimmel&relink=on |
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| 07:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mold |
| 07:01.16 | dpkg | mold is, like, what grows on debian |
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| 07:02.08 | freezer | lol |
| 07:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... |
| 07:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lol |
| 07:02.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 07:02.37 | maelstrom | what about rofl |
| 07:02.42 | freezer | so what's the translation from the German word 'schimmel' |
| 07:02.50 | enouf | !.dsc |
| 07:02.52 | freezer | like mushroom schimmel |
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| 07:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | grey horse :) |
| 07:03.30 | freezer | lol |
| 07:03.33 | enouf | ,meh, .. pretty sure these new-fandangled .dsc pkgs are supposed to ease some pain , somewhere |
| 07:03.34 | freezer | for sure |
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| 07:04.25 | grendal_prime | wat distro would i find libc6 (>= 2.6-1) |
| 07:04.42 | enouf | !releases |
| 07:04.42 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 07:04.59 | cyberjames | grendal_prime: debian/ubuntu |
| 07:05.01 | enouf | ;-) .. likely lenny/testing |
| 07:05.16 | enouf | i think i |
| 07:05.24 | enouf | 'm on 2.7 in sid here |
| 07:05.37 | grendal_prime | hows testing comming along now? |
| 07:05.45 | cyberjames | grendal_prime: what distro that you are using now? |
| 07:05.50 | grendal_prime | etch |
| 07:05.51 | enouf | stupid apostrophe key is too close to enter |
| 07:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell JW about repository |
| 07:06.30 | enouf | suppository! |
| 07:06.48 | JW | thx |
| 07:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: look for "Trivial Repositories" :) |
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| 07:07.22 | grendal_prime | anyone using lenny? |
| 07:07.47 | jim | in soviet russia, lenny uses YOU! hahahaaa! |
| 07:08.16 | grendal_prime | i use this machine for alot of web dev, database dev, python dev..i dont know that i could get away with using a testing dist on it. |
| 07:08.34 | grendal_prime | but the kids machine is what im thinking about..they do alot of games..stuff like that. |
| 07:08.38 | jim | why do you want to? |
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| 07:09.24 | grendal_prime | they want soulfu hehehe new egoboo game dungeon crawler type thing. looks cool |
| 07:09.26 | cybermad | how to control speed with wget ? |
| 07:09.56 | cybermad | i mean control download speed |
| 07:10.10 | \amethyst | cybermad: --limit-rate=20k |
| 07:10.16 | jim | the only thing you can hope for is to slow it down |
| 07:10.30 | cybermad | \amethyst thanks |
| 07:10.33 | \amethyst | cybermad: for 20 kbyte/s |
| 07:10.41 | x_link | God morgning! |
| 07:10.49 | cybermad | is it possible to change the speed while downloading |
| 07:10.56 | x_link | Is the limit 4GB RAM for 32-bits Linux? |
| 07:11.04 | x_link | Or can I only use 3GB? |
| 07:11.09 | \amethyst | cybermad: I don't think so |
| 07:11.20 | \amethyst | x_link: you need a -bigmem kernel to use more than about 3GB |
| 07:11.26 | PythonNinja | is there any way to find these pacakges? i can't find them in repos. i need to install gconf2-common version 2.20.1-2+b1 or gconf2 version 2.20.1-2 but, apt-get install gconf2=2.20.1-2 doesn't work, and curiosly it doesn't work with the version i have installed either |
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| 07:11.52 | \amethyst | x_link: with a bigmem kernel you can use up to 64GB, hardware allowing |
| 07:11.53 | ftp3 | this is probably a dumb question, but how many class c ip addresses are in a /20? |
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| 07:12.13 | \amethyst | ftp3: you mean how many class c blocks are there? |
| 07:12.16 | ftp3 | yes |
| 07:12.19 | Nyle | !iceweasel |
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| 07:12.19 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 07:12.26 | Nyle | !icecat |
| 07:12.30 | Nyle | hm... |
| 07:12.36 | x_link | \amethyst: okey, I don't know what bigmen kernel is =/ |
| 07:12.37 | Nopalin | hello, when there are 2 patches of a kernel release, i should patch the first and then second? or i only should patch the second? (which i suppose it contains patchs from first) |
| 07:12.38 | \amethyst | ftp3: class C is /24, 24-20 = 4, and 2^4 = 16, so sixteen |
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| 07:12.51 | x_link | \amethyst: My motherboard supports 8GB RAM. |
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| 07:12.56 | grendal_prime | anything in lenny ...broken? |
| 07:12.57 | ftp3 | thank you amethyst :-) |
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| 07:13.05 | grendal_prime | i mean anything major? |
| 07:13.05 | \amethyst | x_link: in debian, it's the linux-image-686-bigmem package |
| 07:13.05 | PythonNinja | grendal_prime: anything in particular? |
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| 07:13.55 | x_link | \amethyst: Ahh, so it's something I need to install first? |
| 07:14.01 | grendal_prime | PythonNinja: like oooo idont know..the xorg upgrade process(that was the nightmare from sarge to etch for soo long) |
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| 07:14.17 | \amethyst | x_link: yes, it's a separate kernel package you'll need to install |
| 07:14.19 | PythonNinja | grendal_prime: worked fine for me |
| 07:14.26 | \amethyst | x_link: what does uname -r print? |
| 07:14.30 | x_link | \amethyst: Alright, thanks alow. |
| 07:14.41 | x_link | \amethyst: I'm not on Debian right now. |
| 07:15.31 | pier357 | blank to all and excused the off topic, I have absolutely need of an |
| 07:15.31 | pier357 | electronics channel on IRC... ne you know one? |
| 07:15.44 | x_link | \amethyst: I must go to work again. But thanks alot for your help, I appreciate it! |
| 07:16.02 | wols | pier357: #eletronics |
| 07:16.11 | wols | pier357: #electronics |
| 07:16.46 | pier357 | thanks |
| 07:16.47 | cmanns | by default is dns not cached? I noticed my server connects to the dns server alot and when I added the domain/ip of one of our servers to /etc/hosts all sites sped up (They connect to mysql/memcache) |
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| 07:17.29 | \amethyst | cmanns: usually it's cached at the server |
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| 07:17.49 | cmanns | hmm any way to check if it isnt being cached? |
| 07:17.55 | \amethyst | cmanns: that's why some people use a caching DNS server on their local network |
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| 07:18.06 | cmanns | can't I cache it on the localhost? |
| 07:18.24 | \amethyst | cmanns: you can, by running a caching-only DNS server locally |
| 07:18.26 | jim | if you run a caching dns on the localhost, yes |
| 07:18.48 | \amethyst | cmanns: it's also possible to set up nscd to cache hostname lookups, but that doesn't affect programs like nslookup or dig |
| 07:18.48 | cmanns | hmm |
| 07:18.55 | jim | but if you have a lot of machines that are all being used on this local net, it's better to cache all that in one place |
| 07:19.23 | cmanns | I'll prolly do that later |
| 07:19.54 | cmanns | Would hostname lookups be used by php like the memcache server tld needs to be resolved and such I assume but theres gotta be a easier way then manually entering its info |
| 07:20.06 | cmanns | Every since I moved to 2 servers performance has just been crap :( |
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| 07:21.12 | jim | it would be nice if this caching-only server also had an internal domain on it |
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| 07:21.30 | \amethyst | jim: that's why I use bind as my caching nameserver :) |
| 07:21.32 | jim | that way all machines in the internal net can resolve names |
| 07:21.45 | \amethyst | though I hear dnsmasq isn't too bad |
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| 07:22.01 | cmanns | How do I alias the domain to localhost? |
| 07:22.14 | cmanns | isnt it like 127.0.0.1 localhost.domain |
| 07:22.20 | cmanns | or a space |
| 07:22.30 | jim | you make up your own name for the whole internal network |
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| 07:23.35 | cmanns | nah I mean in /etc/hosts I did this on a centos server seemed to help, one of the memcache servers is labled differnet then localhost and it is still taking time to load but not the one I added to /etc/hosts |
| 07:24.16 | grendal_prime | libc6 (>= 2.6-1) thats a pretty important file aint it |
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| 07:24.34 | jim | I'm saying that info will serve your net better if it were on a common dns |
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| 07:25.39 | PythonNinja | so no ideas about my broken dependency from the lenny repos? |
| 07:26.03 | \amethyst | gukk_devel: a pretty important package, and whatever this is requires lenny (since the version in etch is lower than 2.6-1) |
| 07:26.06 | \amethyst | err |
| 07:26.14 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: a pretty important package, and whatever this is requires lenny (since the version in etch is lower than 2.6-1) |
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| 07:27.12 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: if you upgrade libc6 to that version, you basically might as well completely upgrade to lenny |
| 07:28.16 | iateadonut | mysqladmin on debian - how do i set the root password? |
| 07:28.36 | grendal_prime | how about a backport of 2.6 |
| 07:28.50 | jim | 2.6 what? |
| 07:28.59 | jim | oh libc |
| 07:29.00 | grendal_prime | well more along the lines of backport of soulfu |
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| 07:29.01 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: same way you set it anywhere. |
| 07:29.28 | grendal_prime | it requires 2.6.1 |
| 07:29.36 | jim | you probably don't need to backport the lib, in fact it is by keeping your existing libs that the backport works best |
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| 07:30.40 | grendal_prime | really hmmm...your refering to the idea of 2. Change dependencies to use an older version of a library |
| 07:30.45 | jim | the main reason for this, is that things in debian mostly use libs, especially libc |
| 07:30.54 | grendal_prime | wonder if that would work in this case |
| 07:31.12 | jim | upgrading such a lib would cause most of your system to become unusable |
| 07:31.28 | jim | unless you also upgraded everything that uses the lib |
| 07:31.37 | jim | do you see the issue |
| 07:31.47 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: you just need to backport the package and compile it against the versions of the libraries in stable. |
| 07:31.59 | grendal_prime | im somewhat intrigued by this process..(it would be cool to get the game to work on there running system) but i also like this process of backporting |
| 07:32.08 | grendal_prime | jim ya.. |
| 07:32.20 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: or if it's a binary only game, run it in a testing chroot or simliar. |
| 07:32.22 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: how difficult is that to do |
| 07:32.22 | jim | how is it you know the game requires 2.6 |
| 07:32.36 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: if you've got the source, trivial. |
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| 07:32.56 | elik | I'm having a hard time with gnome-terminal and vim (or anything that uses C-] actually). It simply won't take it, so it's kinda sad if you want to use ctags... |
| 07:32.59 | some_dude | how can i get debian to auto dectct my video card ? |
| 07:33.02 | grendal_prime | hmm i think i can get it..i downloaded the package and it tells me at time of install |
| 07:33.09 | elik | I wondered if anyone ever came accross this problem |
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| 07:33.33 | streuner | some_dude: X do that automatically |
| 07:33.45 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: ill see if i can get the source. the package i have was made from an rpm with alien i believe. |
| 07:34.00 | some_dude | it's using the vesa driver with the wrong resliouting |
| 07:34.07 | some_dude | resolutin |
| 07:34.12 | some_dude | close enough |
| 07:34.20 | streuner | some_dude: so alter the resolution? |
| 07:34.24 | dondelelcaro | elik: works perfectly fine in rxvt and xterm |
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| 07:34.42 | streuner | some_dude: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say? |
| 07:34.46 | jim | grendal_prime: so it is a debian dependency that has the info "2.6"? |
| 07:34.52 | some_dude | and what's up with iceweasel |
| 07:35.00 | elik | dondelelcaro, it sure does, as well a gvim does, and a simple console, but not gnome-terminal |
| 07:35.01 | streuner | some_dude: VESA is limited |
| 07:35.11 | dondelelcaro | elik: consider filing a bug, then. |
| 07:35.33 | dondelelcaro | elik: after checking that one doesn't already exist... if one of us had seen it, we would have filed one. |
| 07:35.35 | some_dude | does debian have very new packages, or are they a little older ? |
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| 07:35.53 | dondelelcaro | some_dude: we have the newest packages in the unstable distribution in general. |
| 07:36.11 | \amethyst | elik: hm, have you looked at the keyboard shortcuts in gnome-terminal? |
| 07:36.15 | streuner | some_dude: there is stable with backport too :-) |
| 07:36.18 | \amethyst | elik: maybe there's something set to ctrl-] |
| 07:36.52 | streuner | some_dude: if you are new to Debian, just use stable with backports, after a while you change to another branch |
| 07:36.53 | grendal_prime | jim yes |
| 07:37.00 | \amethyst | elik: it would show up as <Control>bracketright under Edit->Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 07:37.03 | sco50000 | some_dude: i use debian testing and it seems to be quite up to date without being unstable |
| 07:37.12 | elik | \amethyst, I did look it up, unfortunately, I found nothing that looked like it. Furthermore, if I try to bind it to a new functionality, it does not complain (it would if it was already bound) |
| 07:37.19 | elik | dondelelcaro, alright, will look it up on their site |
| 07:37.29 | streuner | Please dont recommend testing/lenny for people who are new to Debian |
| 07:37.31 | grendal_prime | after i install it is shows as a broken package and when i read its requirements the only thing it complains about is the libc shortcommings |
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| 07:38.18 | \amethyst | elik: hm... if you press ctrl-v ctrl-] x (say at the shell) does it show up as ^]x or as x ? |
| 07:38.46 | sco50000 | streuner: well, i'm new to debian :P |
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| 07:39.04 | streuner | sco50000: yes |
| 07:39.14 | simonrvn | I HAZ BRACKETS |
| 07:39.53 | Nyle | booyakasha |
| 07:39.57 | jim | grendal_prime: it's possible that if you use the etch libc (and its -dev part) to rebuild the game package, that it will then run under etch |
| 07:40.07 | Nyle | hey mr rvn |
| 07:40.09 | streuner | CHAKAKHAN |
| 07:40.14 | elik | \amethyst, well, no matter how I try it, it just comes up as x |
| 07:40.30 | Nyle | simonrvn: check out my axes @ http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d33c9b8905.jpg |
| 07:40.31 | elik | simonrvn, I want yo brackets |
| 07:40.34 | wols | grendal_prime: how can you install it when there is a broken dependenciy? |
| 07:40.38 | simonrvn | buyashaka |
| 07:40.49 | simonrvn | hey! |
| 07:41.03 | Nyle | streuner: I've been noticing a lot of testing/unstable recomendations to people who can't even get stable to work properly too |
| 07:41.06 | simonrvn | (that's an awesome little dance dude does) |
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| 07:41.17 | Nyle | simonrvn: hm? |
| 07:41.30 | simonrvn | nm, too much teevee |
| 07:41.42 | elik | \amethyst, well, I just looked it up on internet and found lot of people having troubles with that, but most often with telnet escape character |
| 07:41.50 | streuner | Nyle: problems are bascially the same vs. sid... |
| 07:41.59 | simonrvn | hi mr e |
| 07:42.01 | Nyle | almost |
| 07:42.02 | tralala | Nyle, if you need a supporting hand for trashing testing/unstable you can count me in |
| 07:42.07 | grendal_prime | dpkg |
| 07:42.16 | Nyle | tralala: hey man long time no see |
| 07:42.16 | grendal_prime | wols: i installed it with dpkg |
| 07:42.29 | wols | grendal_prime: you forced it and broke your debian |
| 07:42.33 | elik | \amethyst, some dude fixed it by rebinding some other stuff (like c-= to c-0)... strangely enough, that very option he was talking about was already bound to c-0 on my cpu... |
| 07:42.42 | wols | even dpkg won't install if dependencies are not met |
| 07:42.48 | simonrvn | on your cpu? |
| 07:42.52 | grendal_prime | wols no..the package just doesnt run |
| 07:42.55 | jim | if someone's new and they want to see it... you can't really stop them |
| 07:43.11 | wols | grendal_prime: which package? |
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| 07:43.14 | tralala | Nyle, yeah, got to do this... work, you know |
| 07:43.30 | grendal_prime | if i look it up with a client app like synaptic..it shows it as a broken package..but it is installed.. |
| 07:43.31 | Nyle | tralala: I don't trash it, I just don't think one should recommend anything but stable release |
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| 07:43.43 | grendal_prime | it is soulfu its a game the kids like |
| 07:43.48 | wols | grendal_prime: you can only install such a package if you force it. end of story |
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| 07:44.36 | grendal_prime | i downloaded it..i put it into a dir. I move to that dir and type dpkg -i soulfu_.deb and it installs it.. i dont know what to tell you |
| 07:44.36 | wols | grendal_prime: unless it's a package that is not in debian. at that point all bets are off anyways |
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| 07:44.57 | wols | grendal_prime: not debian. ask whoevr made the package. hint: the packager fucked up |
| 07:45.11 | simonrvn | !info soulfu |
| 07:45.21 | wols | grendal_prime: and as others already told you: backport it |
| 07:45.28 | grendal_prime | i do know that it is installed but not functioning. |
| 07:45.32 | tralala | Nyle, indeed, and trashing testing/unstable emphasises the point |
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| 07:45.35 | grendal_prime | ya thats what im lookinginto doing |
| 07:45.43 | wols | grendal_prime: we cannot help you with the package. it's not debian |
| 07:45.46 | grendal_prime | ive just ...well never done that. |
| 07:45.53 | simonrvn | <dpkg> Package 'soulfu' does not exist. |
| 07:45.57 | wols | !tell grendal_prime about simple sid backport |
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| 07:46.08 | tralala | Nyle, and it's fun to do nevertheless |
| 07:46.11 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:46.18 | se7en | i have a problem with nvidia ... i boot and the nvidia logo shows befor i log on like before ... if i put my passwd i see the logo again (like it wants to load nvidia again) and then i end up at the log in screen again. if i change to nv no problem with x ... |
| 07:46.41 | grendal_prime | ya wols i did check to see if it had already been backported |
| 07:46.43 | simonrvn | x is crashing |
| 07:46.47 | wols | se7en: show us the xorg.log and the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 07:46.58 | grendal_prime | ill try the simple sid backport though |
| 07:47.21 | wols | grendal_prime: the factoid I linked you says more than just looking at backports.org |
| 07:47.44 | wols | grendal_prime: since it is not in sid you will need the source from the place you got the .deb from of course |
| 07:48.26 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 07:48.41 | grendal_prime | thanks for the info |
| 07:49.15 | grendal_prime | looks like cediga handles the windows version of it. I may just go with that for now. |
| 07:49.16 | damion | im having a problem with flash and iceweasel. is this a good place to ask? |
| 07:49.40 | streuner | if you using Debian, sure :-) |
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| 07:49.46 | damion | i am! =D |
| 07:49.51 | zinx | streuner: no one else has iceweasel :P |
| 07:49.51 | happla | woohoo! |
| 07:50.09 | streuner | zinx: hm, iceape here :-P |
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| 07:50.55 | damion | so, flash videos are choppy, like the vertical sync is off |
| 07:50.58 | streuner | damion: there are two packages for Debian, one free and one non-free |
| 07:51.02 | damion | and audio skips |
| 07:51.13 | damion | ive downloade and installed the tar.gz from adobe |
| 07:51.15 | se7en | wols: i installed nvidia like this apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) && ln -s linux-headers-$(uname -r) linux && wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.23/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.23-pkg1.run and than sh N... dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia gives me nothing |
| 07:51.31 | damion | i believe it installed into the mozilla folder |
| 07:51.36 | wols | se7en: then have fun asking #nvidia. |
| 07:51.39 | streuner | the non-free is from adobe, its closed sources, we cant do something when its not working |
| 07:51.46 | damion | ah |
| 07:51.58 | damion | does everyone have this problem then? |
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| 07:53.07 | damion | also, how do i replace the epiphany icon in my menubar with an iceweasel icon? |
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| 07:53.31 | puff | with a .deb file, how would I figure out which package in "dpkg -l" output came from the .deb file? |
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| 07:55.08 | WormFood | d6 deb5an deve36*ers hate *e6*3e w5th 3a*t6*s+ - do debian developers hate people with laptops? Why is my numlock now default to being on in X11 after I upgrade? |
| 07:55.09 | wols | !cofuse puff |
| 07:55.12 | wols | !confuse puff |
| 07:55.12 | dpkg | No, where are your pineapple yesterday, puff? pants of the democracy of micronesia with extra herring |
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| 07:55.33 | streuner | puff: please rephrase that sentense |
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| 07:56.02 | godling | If I support two seperate Linux distributions, am I a double agent? :O |
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| 07:56.18 | damion | sorry booted |
| 07:56.21 | streuner | WormFood: is numlockx installed? |
| 07:56.46 | WormFood | streuner, no, of course not |
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| 07:57.09 | streuner | WormFood: so how it should be on by default, BIOS? |
| 07:57.20 | puff | streuner: If I install a package using a .deb file, and then I decide I want to remove that package, how do I determine which package name I should use to issue 'sudo apt-get remove packagename"? |
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| 07:57.43 | puff | streuner: Ah, --info works. |
| 07:57.44 | wols | puff: you can |
| 07:57.58 | damion | is everyone having problems with flash like i am? |
| 07:58.02 | wols | but you can just as well use dpkg -r |
| 07:58.16 | sco50000 | damion: flash works fine for me |
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| 07:58.29 | damion | sco, which browser are you using? |
| 07:58.30 | WormFood | streuner, not in bios, besides linux overrides it...it is not on in console, only x11...very frustrating...started doing this after last upgrade a few days ago |
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| 07:58.34 | puff | streuner: I tried -I before (which according to the man page is the same as --info) but it didn't work. Dunno why. |
| 07:58.35 | sco50000 | damion: iceweasel |
| 07:58.40 | puff | wols: Ah, I can? Cool. |
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| 07:58.54 | damion | sco50000 did you install the adobe plugin? |
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| 07:59.08 | streuner | WormFood: X looks in a script for numlockx, if its installed it turns that on |
| 07:59.18 | wols | damion: dpkg -l |grep flash |
| 07:59.22 | WormFood | would it do that if I plug in a usb keyboard? |
| 07:59.35 | sco50000 | damion: i just went to a site with flash and iceweasel tells me it has to install a plugin, and i say ok, and it installs automatically |
| 07:59.52 | SparFux | Why is there no debian linux-image-2.6.24-1-k7 ? There only is 2.6.22-3-k7. |
| 08:00.00 | damion | sco, that is exactly what i did, but my video is really choppy |
| 08:00.06 | WormFood | I never knew numlockx package existed until I went searching for a solution, but that is not installed |
| 08:00.08 | streuner | SparFux: /msg dpkg k7 |
| 08:00.14 | wols | !k7 |
| 08:00.14 | dpkg | methinks k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 08:00.33 | sco50000 | damion: could be the video driver you're using |
| 08:00.49 | streuner | WormFood: so grep /etc/ for "numlockx" |
| 08:01.00 | WormFood | it is not there, I already did that |
| 08:01.07 | godling | yay thunderbird! |
| 08:01.35 | damion | wols the command you gave me did nothing |
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| 08:02.33 | streuner | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx:if [ -x /usr/bin/numlockx ]; then /usr/bin/numlockx off || /bin/true; fi |
| 08:02.35 | WormFood | I'm using a laptop, why would I turn on numlock? (unless I wanted to punish myself) |
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| 08:02.54 | streuner | default is "on" NOT "off"... |
| 08:03.15 | WormFood | there is no reference to "numlock" in any file in /etc or its subdirectories |
| 08:03.22 | se7en | wols: http://pastebin.com/d3e5907c6 this is my xorg.log and what would be a better way to install nvidia |
| 08:03.25 | streuner | WormFood: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:03.48 | zinx | !install it |
| 08:03.50 | WormFood | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:04.01 | zinx | WormFood: numlockx is a package |
| 08:04.01 | streuner | interesting :-) |
| 08:04.15 | WormFood | I know numlockx is a package, that is not installed on my system |
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| 08:04.35 | zinx | WormFood: so, install it if you want it. |
| 08:04.35 | WormFood | everything was working fine until I upgraded a few days ago |
| 08:04.35 | The_Dr | Can anyone help me, I cannot edit any of the settings for kde4 kdm in system settings!!! |
| 08:04.50 | WormFood | I want numlock to be off in everything |
| 08:05.08 | WormFood | do I have to install numlockx to turn off numlock in x11? |
| 08:05.21 | zinx | no, but it's one way to do it |
| 08:05.32 | WormFood | why did they turn it on in the first place? |
| 08:05.36 | streuner | WormFood: that makes sense then... numlockx: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx |
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| 08:06.12 | streuner | WormFood: no idea, but just do what zinx told you |
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| 08:06.22 | zinx | WormFood: i think that's generally a BIOS thing.. the X.org maintainers are going insane, so maybe they decided to default it to on now. |
| 08:06.37 | zinx | (instead of using what it was set to) |
| 08:06.38 | SparFux | So, but there IS a difference in 686 and k7. The images are just not build anymore because of there is no relevance. No benchmark proving big difference. That's ok. |
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| 08:06.54 | WormFood | why in the hell would I turn on numlock in my bios, on a laptop? that defies logic (unless I always use an external keyboard) |
| 08:07.20 | zinx | WormFood: what you would want to do isn't the issue here :/ |
| 08:07.20 | gordonjcp | must be useful to someone |
| 08:07.30 | ralze | good morning! |
| 08:07.32 | maelstrom | iceweasel. *rolls eyes* |
| 08:07.35 | Hesh86 | morning o/ |
| 08:07.49 | WormFood | ralze, it is afternoon where I am ;) |
| 08:08.13 | ralze | here it's 9am :) |
| 08:08.13 | WormFood | here it is 4pm |
| 08:08.13 | Hesh86 | what group does a debian user need to be in for power? :| |
| 08:08.24 | simonrvn | what? |
| 08:08.29 | streuner | heh |
| 08:08.32 | Hesh86 | like turn off and reset =x |
| 08:08.49 | sco50000 | Hesh86: i think only root can do that, but i'm not sure |
| 08:09.18 | simonrvn | um, it's called root. you can use sudo for one-shot commands and such without using su |
| 08:09.32 | simonrvn | !tell Hesh86 -about grounding |
| 08:10.17 | \amethyst | what about the powerdev group? |
| 08:11.00 | Hesh86 | ok :) I already use root to shutdown but.. for a desktop user it isn't a pretty solution. thats all |
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| 08:11.14 | clusty | hey |
| 08:11.26 | \amethyst | Hesh86: does getent group powerdev print anything? |
| 08:11.53 | Hesh86 | i'll check powerdev, i believed it was a powermanagement group for devices |
| 08:12.03 | Hesh86 | ala lower clock speed etc. |
| 08:12.16 | \amethyst | it also affects suspend/hibernate |
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| 08:13.36 | Hesh86 | cheers \amethyst |
| 08:13.43 | godling | How can I kill a process that's in an uninterruptible sleep state? |
| 08:13.55 | iateadonut | kill -9 ? |
| 08:13.56 | godling | I've already killed its parent process but it is still resident |
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| 08:14.04 | \amethyst | godling: when it says "uninterruptible", it's serious |
| 08:14.06 | godling | iateadonut: nope, doesn't work. |
| 08:14.08 | iateadonut | is that right? |
| 08:14.10 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 08:14.16 | godling | \amethyst: no, it's wpa_supplicant and I want it to go away. |
| 08:14.20 | streuner | godling: zombie? |
| 08:14.21 | WormFood | thanks for your help guys...totally gay solution, but it works (installed numlockx, and modified the script to turn it off) |
| 08:14.22 | \amethyst | godling: you might be able to do it with a magic sysrq, but I doubt it |
| 08:14.25 | wols | godling: reboot |
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| 08:14.36 | streuner | WormFood: no worries |
| 08:14.40 | streuner | !zombie |
| 08:14.40 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 08:14.55 | \amethyst | zombie != uninterruptible sleep |
| 08:14.56 | wols | godling: your process waits for some externbal device. no way to interrupt that if it says uninterruptible |
| 08:15.00 | godling | I know what a zombie is, but don't those usually show up as Z? |
| 08:15.04 | WormFood | it was most frustrating that every time I come out of hibernate mode the numlock was on...and the numlock light always stayed on |
| 08:15.08 | wols | godling: it is no zombie |
| 08:15.13 | Nyle | is there any way to run zsnes on amd64 without a full blown chroot? |
| 08:15.18 | Nyle | 32bit chroot I mean |
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| 08:15.23 | godling | wols: I know. |
| 08:15.32 | Hesh86 | \amethyst, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/33 finally found it \o/ |
| 08:15.35 | wols | godling: reboot or live with it |
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| 08:15.52 | SparFux | I use some keys with AltGr to have special characters available. I configured this in XKB and installed console-setup. It worked. Now, after some dist-upgrade, it does not work on console anymore. |
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| 08:15.56 | wols | if this process blocks additional wpasupplicant processes your are SOL and reboot is the only way |
| 08:16.03 | \amethyst | Nyle: can you use snes9x instead? |
| 08:16.17 | Nyle | \amethyst: but it "sucks" :( |
| 08:16.22 | StarkD | my master password was altered when updating iceweasel through the repository... any suggestions?? |
| 08:16.25 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
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| 08:17.27 | Hesh86 | morning |
| 08:18.31 | harpal | Hey how can I resolve dnsname from an ipaddress? |
| 08:19.31 | WormFood | harpal, you really can't, per se....you can use dig or nslookup to get the reverse dns name tho |
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| 08:19.42 | wols | harpal: man gethostbyaddr |
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| 08:20.17 | harpal | ok |
| 08:20.26 | wols | harpal: one ip can have an unlimited number of dnsnames however. you will only get the main one |
| 08:20.38 | \amethyst | harpal: from the command line? |
| 08:20.40 | godling | awesome, it won't shutdown completely now |
| 08:20.45 | harpal | \amethyst: |
| 08:21.06 | harpal | I want actually want dns names of my LAN machine |
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| 08:21.22 | \amethyst | harpal: of this machine, or of a different machine? |
| 08:21.35 | harpal | \amethyst: different one on my LAN |
| 08:21.42 | WormFood | the name of "this machine" is always "localhost" ;) |
| 08:21.55 | \amethyst | harpal: something like getent hosts 74.140.178.145 |
| 08:22.00 | harpal | because 10.10.136.101 is not a live ip so I cant get any thing |
| 08:22.13 | WormFood | that has nothing to do with it being a "live ip" or not |
| 08:22.18 | WormFood | it has to do with it being in dns or not |
| 08:22.19 | wols | harpal: has nothing to do with that |
| 08:22.40 | phyburn | I am trying to setup a PPTP VPN and it seems everything VPN wise is working but when the host computer request a webpage or something I can see the request goes out of the server but nothing comes back. Do i ned to setup any kinda of IP routing or anything? |
| 08:22.45 | WormFood | you need an entry in the in-addr.arpa. domain |
| 08:23.11 | harpal | \amethyst: no output |
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| 08:23.43 | \amethyst | harpal: that means it's not in DNS or your /etc/hosts file |
| 08:23.58 | \amethyst | harpal: which isn't surprising since it's a 10.* address (as you noted) |
| 08:24.16 | \amethyst | harpal: do you have some DNS server for the internal network? |
| 08:24.30 | harpal | \amethyst: yes but I am not using that |
| 08:24.56 | \amethyst | harpal: the public DNS servers certainly aren't going to have the information you need |
| 08:25.22 | \amethyst | harpal: 'host', 'nslookup', and 'dig' can all be persuaded to use a particular server |
| 08:25.26 | harpal | \amethyst: ok I am changin my DNS server and than checking |
| 08:25.27 | WormFood | not unless the dns admin is an idiot (I have seen internal IPs on external name servers) |
| 08:25.38 | \amethyst | harpal: for examply host 10.10.136.101 my.dns.server |
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| 08:25.52 | \amethyst | WormFood: even then it's not going to reverse :) |
| 08:26.16 | iateadonut | i'm trying to umount a device and it says, 'device is busy' - how do i make it unbusy? |
| 08:26.25 | harpal | \amethyst: no still not working, so I think in my DNS server there is no reverse entry |
| 08:26.33 | ralze | where can i find out which kernel testing is using? (without having it installed. yet?) |
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| 08:26.58 | WormFood | harpal, quite likely...it seems a lot of people don't understand reverse dns |
| 08:27.14 | \amethyst | harpal: sounds like it |
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| 08:27.48 | harpal | \amethyst: Now I will go to that machine and than take it from ther |
| 08:28.14 | harpal | Thanks a lot, hey any link so that I can setup reverse DNS in DNS server? |
| 08:28.22 | \amethyst | harpal: yeah: ssh user@10.10.136.101 hostname |
| 08:28.36 | \amethyst | or ssh user@10.10.146.101 hostname -f |
| 08:28.41 | sChaa | hola |
| 08:29.11 | harpal | \amethyst: its windows server machine |
| 08:29.45 | dimir | So it's impossible to get the installed package's category (main, contrib, non-free)? |
| 08:29.49 | \amethyst | oh, I wonder if you can use samba to look up the hostnames somehow |
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| 08:31.02 | iateadonut | because fuser -u is showing no processes on that disk. i don't know why i can't umount it. |
| 08:31.14 | harpal | \amethyst: so using samba I can lookup that host name? |
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| 08:31.33 | clusty | i just installed fail2ban and is bloody great. only problem is that it gives just a temporary ban |
| 08:31.41 | clusty | any way to make it give a ban forever? |
| 08:31.57 | jetscreamer | !tell dimir -about search |
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| 08:32.35 | \amethyst | iateadonut: try fuser -m /mount/point |
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| 08:33.33 | jetscreamer | !tell dimir -about apt-cache |
| 08:33.36 | \amethyst | harpal: I don't know, but I suspect there is someway to do a WINS reverse lookup |
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| 08:34.07 | Nyle | hey screamer of the jets |
| 08:34.10 | hell-jack | hey |
| 08:34.13 | Nyle | whassaaaaa |
| 08:34.18 | hell-jack | my desktop disappear |
| 08:34.23 | hell-jack | what must i do |
| 08:34.43 | Nyle | jetscreamer: http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d33c9b8905.jpg <-- the white one |
| 08:34.43 | dimir | jetscreamer: please, tell me how you get the package category with these commands? |
| 08:35.01 | Nyle | dimir: apt-cache show pkgname |
| 08:35.05 | iateadonut | \amethyst - thanks. turns out i was in root and the user i just came from was still in the directory. |
| 08:35.09 | Nyle | tells you everything |
| 08:35.15 | \amethyst | dimir: dpkg -s packagename | grep ^Section |
| 08:35.15 | dimir | Nyle: read the question. |
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| 08:35.34 | \amethyst | dimir: if the section contains 'contrib/' or 'non-free/', there you go. |
| 08:35.35 | dimir | \amethyst: that's not category |
| 08:35.44 | webPrag\Laptop | where's a good reference on addgroup and related commands.... right now i am just trying to figure out how to add a user to a group |
| 08:35.54 | Nyle | dimir: what do you mean by category |
| 08:36.02 | hell-jack | synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:36.04 | Nyle | dimir: which information are you seeking exactly about said package? |
| 08:36.06 | dimir | nyle: So it's impossible to get the installed package's category (main, contrib, non-free)? |
| 08:36.12 | \amethyst | dimir: dpkg -s sun-java6-bin | grep ^Section => Section: non-free/libs |
| 08:36.13 | Nyle | dimir: no... |
| 08:36.16 | SparFux | Why does my console-setup packe not set the XKBLAYOUT as in xorg.conf like it promises? |
| 08:36.17 | hell-jack | what can i do to open synaptic and fix this problem |
| 08:36.18 | Nyle | I just told you how |
| 08:36.23 | Nyle | wtf is the deal with you |
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| 08:36.37 | Nyle | I tell you exactly what to do you find out, and you tell me to read the fucking question |
| 08:36.42 | Nyle | go f yourself. |
| 08:36.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer: don't forget to check the link |
| 08:36.53 | hell-jack | i cannot use aptitude |
| 08:37.04 | webPrag\Laptop | eeek it's getting nasty |
| 08:37.12 | dimir | \amethyst: I need to know every possible category, that is main, contrib, etc. |
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| 08:37.46 | \amethyst | dimir: then parse it... if it contains a slash, the 'category' is the part before the slash. otherwise it is 'main' |
| 08:38.07 | hell-jack | esomeone help me |
| 08:38.11 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 08:38.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 08:38.36 | hell-jack | synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:38.38 | dimir | \amethyst: oh, you sure if there is no slash it's main? |
| 08:38.43 | hell-jack | i cannot open iceweasel |
| 08:38.53 | hell-jack | i cannot use opera |
| 08:38.57 | WormFood | does anyone have a suggestion as to the "best" vpn software to use (between 2 linux machines)? |
| 08:38.59 | hell-jack | iceennot use apt aptitude |
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| 08:39.12 | \amethyst | dimir: if it's a Debian package that's the case. No guarantees about third-party packages from some random repository :) |
| 08:39.29 | dimir | \amethyst: OK, thanks. :-) |
| 08:39.40 | \amethyst | dimir: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections |
| 08:39.45 | webPrag\Laptop | how can i list all the groups on a system? |
| 08:39.59 | webPrag\Laptop | or really just need a sight on users/groups for debian |
| 08:40.04 | webPrag\Laptop | site* |
| 08:40.14 | Nyle | dimir: seriously |
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| 08:40.43 | Nyle | apt-cache show blah|grep Filename |
| 08:40.59 | dimir | \amethyst: too bad it can only contain contrib, non-free or main. So experimental get's lost and so on. |
| 08:41.00 | \amethyst | Nyle: if he was testing with a package in 'main', the confusion is understandable because 'main' never appears in the output |
| 08:41.15 | dimir | Nyle: Do you think I don't know apt-cache show? |
| 08:41.15 | \amethyst | dimir: err, experimental isn't a category |
| 08:41.23 | Nyle | yes |
| 08:41.26 | Nyle | I did think that |
| 08:42.14 | dimir | Nyle: I'm aware of basics how to handle apt. :-) |
| 08:42.20 | Nyle | I don't see what the argument is, that shows you where the package came from. If it didn't come from debian main/contrib/non-free then I don't know |
| 08:42.27 | \amethyst | dimir: experimental is a distribution, not a category |
| 08:42.31 | Nyle | dimir: obviously. |
| 08:42.54 | webPrag\Laptop | anyone? |
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| 08:43.24 | \amethyst | webPrag\Laptop: well, to get a list of groups you can do getent group |
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| 08:44.09 | webPrag\Laptop | man there's like 3 different ways so far to get groups lol |
| 08:44.10 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ping |
| 08:44.18 | dimir | \amethyst: OK, let me put it this way then. Is it possible to get the url where the package was got from? I know I can use --print-urls for example like: apt-get -s -q=4 --print-uris --reinstall install PKG, but that won't print complete URI. |
| 08:44.42 | Nyle | once again... |
| 08:45.06 | clusty | any1 with fail2ban? |
| 08:45.09 | \amethyst | dimir: as Nyle said, the "Filename" field in apt-cache |
| 08:45.40 | dimir | Oh. |
| 08:45.40 | Nyle | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ (append the Filename field here) |
| 08:45.43 | dimir | Fsck. |
| 08:45.48 | dimir | How could I miss that? |
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| 08:45.52 | dimir | Sorry and thanks. |
| 08:45.54 | Nyle | yeh, you sure know your way around apt alright. |
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| 08:47.41 | iateadonut | hi. i'm trying to move my /var/lib/mysql partition from mandriva to debian. |
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| 08:47.59 | iateadonut | i changed my mysql group number and user number to 75, as they were on mandriva. |
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| 08:48.04 | Nyle | iateadonut: that is great |
| 08:48.13 | BotaniCar | hello, what is the real location i move files to when i put them into trash ? |
| 08:48.29 | Nyle | BotaniCar: iirc ~/.Trash |
| 08:48.29 | iateadonut | along with changing all the owners of the files... |
| 08:48.43 | BotaniCar | thx Nyle |
| 08:48.43 | iateadonut | but, i can't get /etc/init.d/mysql to restart. |
| 08:48.51 | iateadonut | well, to start, since i already stopped it. |
| 08:48.58 | iateadonut | nyle, why is that great? |
| 08:49.05 | Nyle | debian rocks. |
| 08:49.09 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 08:49.11 | iateadonut | so i'm told. |
| 08:49.15 | iateadonut | seems pretty stable. |
| 08:49.16 | jelly | no, debian/rules |
| 08:49.19 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:49.22 | Nyle | hi jelly |
| 08:49.25 | dimir | Not easy go get it from there still |
| 08:49.34 | iateadonut | anyway, can anyone tell me how to move my partition over? |
| 08:49.47 | Nyle | dimir: not too difficult with a little bash scripting sed'ing and cut'ing |
| 08:49.56 | dimir | If I get the second word (separated by slash) after 'pool', it can be 'updates' or section. |
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| 08:50.14 | iateadonut | i'm really not used to this gnome desktop though. is there any good reason i shouldn't install kde? |
| 08:50.23 | SparFux | console-setup does not set keyboard map for console at all! |
| 08:50.28 | Nyle | why did you install gnome? |
| 08:50.29 | dimir | But I guess it has to be 'pool' as a first word. |
| 08:50.33 | Nyle | debian comes with gnome as default? |
| 08:50.39 | iateadonut | guess so. |
| 08:51.08 | iateadonut | nyle, what desktop do you use? |
| 08:51.29 | Nyle | KDE 3.5.8 debian/testing AMD64 |
| 08:51.55 | iateadonut | i need to figure this out before work tomorrow. |
| 08:52.05 | iateadonut | current time is 5pm. |
| 08:52.27 | iateadonut | any ideas on what the problem could be? |
| 08:52.29 | Nyle | so would you like to tell us the output of /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 08:52.41 | Nyle | that might help us |
| 08:52.54 | iateadonut | just ..... failed! |
| 08:53.10 | Nyle | look at the mysql log file please |
| 08:53.27 | Nyle | don't ask me where to find it |
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| 08:53.46 | iateadonut | i just changed my mysql group number and user number to 75, and changed all the files owner to mysql after i did that (making them also 75) |
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| 08:54.24 | iateadonut | can i ask you what program to open the logs with then? |
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| 08:54.36 | Penix | a text editor |
| 08:54.41 | Penix | or less. or more. or cat |
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| 08:54.47 | iateadonut | i was joking. |
| 08:54.52 | iateadonut | forgot to put a :) |
| 08:55.37 | iateadonut | mysql logs are empty. |
| 08:56.02 | iateadonut | checking the owner of them might help. |
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| 08:56.21 | iateadonut | group number is still 108 on those. |
| 08:56.25 | iateadonut | better change it. |
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| 08:57.01 | Nyle | well |
| 08:57.47 | iateadonut | right? |
| 08:57.56 | iateadonut | i should change it to 75, which is now the mysql group? |
| 08:58.30 | Nyle | afaik, the user with the credentials in the mysql.cnf file to be able to use the init scripts is debian-sys-maint |
| 08:58.42 | Nyle | by default |
| 08:58.46 | Nyle | maybe its changed i dunno |
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| 08:59.58 | dimir | heh, skype puts their packages in non-standard place: Filename: dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/skype-1.4.0.118-1_i386.deb |
| 09:00.18 | Nyle | dimir: of coruse they do |
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| 09:00.31 | dimir | Fsckers. |
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| 09:00.48 | Nyle | like they give a shit about minor things like that |
| 09:01.36 | dimir | For all other packages in my system I could do it with: apt-cache show pkg | grep ^Filename: | sed -r 's,.*pool/((updates/)?[^/]+)/.*,\1,' |
| 09:01.41 | WormFood | iateadonut, you are in beijing? |
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| 09:03.26 | iateadonut | yes. |
| 09:03.30 | iateadonut | i am in qingdao, actually. |
| 09:03.35 | Dewi | dimir: can't you just do an apt-cache search ? |
| 09:03.37 | iateadonut | my daughter just woke up, though. i'll be back. |
| 09:03.39 | WormFood | I'm in Guangzhou |
| 09:03.52 | Nyle | Dewi: he was trying to find something else nm |
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| 09:04.02 | Nyle | man |
| 09:04.13 | Nyle | ya'll better stop speaking chinese or I'm gonna get hungry |
| 09:04.27 | WormFood | I just had a great chinese lunch...I love chinese food |
| 09:04.31 | Dewi | dimir: actually I mean aptitude search |
| 09:04.32 | dimir | Chinese! One of my favourite fewd. |
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| 09:04.40 | Nyle | yeh |
| 09:04.43 | Nyle | I hate chinese food |
| 09:04.50 | dimir | :-) |
| 09:04.50 | Nyle | need to go to a real resturant |
| 09:04.51 | WormFood | and the best thing, I can go to the corner restaurant here, and get a nice meal for about $1.50 (usd) |
| 09:05.00 | Nyle | they got crap on every damn block |
| 09:05.03 | Nyle | chinese take out! |
| 09:05.07 | Nyle | china fast food! |
| 09:05.07 | Dewi | dimir: see the magic patterns starting with '~' in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 09:05.11 | Nyle | ugh sick of it |
| 09:05.34 | Nyle | I need an authentic chinese resturant with an authentic chinese cook who makes food the chinese way |
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| 09:05.37 | Nyle | not the american way |
| 09:05.47 | Nyle | only found one, but it closed down after 2 years |
| 09:05.48 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.00 | WormFood | I can't throw a rock and not hit a restaurant here...there is a chinese restaurant on every corner here |
| 09:06.09 | Nyle | well dude |
| 09:06.09 | Dewi | I'm working right on the edge of chinatown here but the food still doesn't seem that good |
| 09:06.12 | Nyle | you're IN china |
| 09:06.16 | WormFood | Nyle, most people would not like "real" chinese food |
| 09:06.19 | Nyle | i'm in nueva york |
| 09:06.24 | WormFood | I had "duck blood soup" the other day :D |
| 09:06.25 | Nyle | WormFood: I do |
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| 09:06.39 | Nyle | WormFood: yeh.... I mean food for humans. |
| 09:06.39 | WormFood | there is a lot of bones in real chinese food |
| 09:06.51 | Nyle | I don't mean crap food |
| 09:06.53 | WormFood | and expect to get the whole animal (if it is not big, like a cow) |
| 09:06.56 | Nyle | I mean good chinese food from a resturant |
| 09:07.09 | Nyle | I've not noticed much diff from pakistan or from england or from america |
| 09:07.16 | WormFood | I had a dish of "pork blood" when I was in Shenyang :D |
| 09:07.19 | Nyle | all 3 countries have very very similar chinese food |
| 09:07.24 | Nyle | anyway this is too offtopic |
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| 09:07.49 | Nyle | yeh now I understand where your nickname comes from |
| 09:07.55 | ralze | how about Chinese Food, or let's say food in general over TCP/IP? |
| 09:08.04 | ralze | anyone working on that? :) |
| 09:08.18 | WormFood | actually my nick means "underground" |
| 09:08.19 | Nyle | pussy |
| 09:08.31 | Nyle | oh did I say that outloud |
| 09:08.34 | Nyle | my bad ;) |
| 09:08.43 | WormFood | I was very happy to see chicken hearts in the stores here....I love chicken hearts |
| 09:08.49 | Nyle | dude |
| 09:08.51 | Nyle | stop |
| 09:08.56 | Nyle | gonna make me puke |
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| 09:09.19 | Nyle | I'm surprised you haven't yet started consuming fecal matter |
| 09:09.32 | WormFood | I can read enough chinese to go into a restaurant and order "beef noodles" |
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| 09:09.50 | WormFood | give me a break, they eat everything here...I draw the line at eating cat and owl and stuff like that |
| 09:10.23 | Nyle | you should try chicken shit.. might be a good dip for some chips |
| 09:10.33 | Nyle | mix it with some pig blood |
| 09:10.37 | WormFood | no thanks...you are welcome to try...let me know how it is |
| 09:11.00 | gordonjcp | ew, chicken shit mixed with pig blood? |
| 09:11.02 | WormFood | the pig blood was cooked, with some spices and onion...it was actually pretty good....it has the consistency of thick jello |
| 09:11.12 | gordonjcp | sounds like the sort of shit Americans eat |
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| 09:11.30 | WormFood | you eat blood, you don't don't notice it in your hambuger or steak or whatever meat you eat |
| 09:11.41 | gordonjcp | WormFood: or indeed black pudding |
| 09:11.48 | ralze | at least he knows what it is? |
| 09:11.48 | gordonjcp | marags |
| 09:11.54 | gordonjcp | blutwurst |
| 09:11.55 | Nyle | yeh... I'm not down with the blood |
| 09:11.57 | ralze | i don't know what hotdogs are made of ... |
| 09:12.03 | WormFood | never had black pudding...that sounds pretty gross, but I'd at least try it |
| 09:12.04 | Nyle | thank god my family is muslim |
| 09:12.10 | Nyle | we kill and bleed the animal |
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| 09:12.11 | gordonjcp | ralze: "mechanically reclaimed meat" |
| 09:12.19 | Nyle | we have clean no blood meat |
| 09:12.22 | Nyle | I like it that way |
| 09:12.28 | Nyle | islam ftw! |
| 09:12.34 | gordonjcp | ralze: basically bits of meat steam cleaned off pig carcasses |
| 09:12.41 | WormFood | "no blood meat"? how do they manage to get meat with no blood? |
| 09:12.46 | gordonjcp | Nyle: I buy quite a lot of meat from my local Halal butcher |
| 09:12.54 | Nyle | maybe no is too much |
| 09:12.58 | Nyle | you're going to start pickign at my words |
| 09:12.59 | Dewi | Nyle: so.. you want "real chinese food" but you pale at the mere mention of the types of food Chinese people actually eat? |
| 09:13.10 | gordonjcp | Nyle: it's about the only place I can get proper mutton, without actually going and slaughtering a sheep myself |
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| 09:13.32 | Nyle | Dewi: I like real chinese food just fine, I just don't eat shit. |
| 09:13.34 | ralze | gordonjcp: that's what they say. try: http://www.boosman.com/blog/2003/08/the_truth_about_hot_dogs.html |
| 09:13.36 | Nyle | I won't. |
| 09:13.44 | Nyle | or blood |
| 09:13.58 | Nyle | or brains or intestines or any other part of the animal that isn't the meat |
| 09:14.03 | WormFood | Dewi, in guangzhou (used to be called canton), the cantonese eat EVERYTHING....no joke...if it has 4 legs, and is not a table, they eat it...if it is in the ocean and not a boat, they eat it....if it fly and is not an airplane, they eat it |
| 09:14.18 | Dewi | Nyle: Does Halal chinese food exist? |
| 09:14.21 | gordonjcp | ralze: heh |
| 09:14.25 | Nyle | Dewi: yes and it sucks |
| 09:14.28 | gordonjcp | Dewi: yes |
| 09:14.28 | Nyle | I don't eat halal only |
| 09:14.35 | Nyle | I eat whatever |
| 09:14.41 | WormFood | actually, the chinese feel you should eat everything, it makes things "whole" to eat the "whole animal" |
| 09:14.45 | Nyle | I just don't eat blood or intestines or some other shit like that |
| 09:14.49 | gordonjcp | there are a few halal Chiense food places near me |
| 09:14.54 | gordonjcp | we have a huge Muslim population |
| 09:15.04 | Nyle | hala kosher christian whatever |
| 09:15.06 | Nyle | just be clean |
| 09:15.08 | Nyle | thats all i care about |
| 09:15.11 | gordonjcp | s/Chiense/Chinese/g |
| 09:15.15 | WormFood | Nyle, do you eat sausage? because sausage casing is usually made from intestines |
| 09:15.26 | Nyle | no dogs, no sausage, no processed meats |
| 09:15.28 | Nyle | no fast food |
| 09:15.38 | Nyle | no edible grade d shit |
| 09:15.44 | WormFood | I absolutely refuse to eat at McDonalds |
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| 09:15.48 | Nyle | only homecooked food, farmers market veges |
| 09:15.51 | Dewi | Nyle: modern christians (apart from pentecostal churches) don't follow any scriptural requirements, iirc |
| 09:15.51 | gordonjcp | WormFood: yup |
| 09:16.07 | WormFood | and they have mcdonalds on every other corner here (and kfc)...and here the McD's are open 24 hours (at least some of them) |
| 09:16.09 | Nyle | Dewi: which is why I mostly only eat bring home fresh meat |
| 09:16.11 | gordonjcp | Nyle: I only eat meat if I can work out what part of the animal it came from ;-) |
| 09:16.15 | Nyle | Dewi: I buy a goat every month |
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| 09:16.42 | Nyle | Dewi: and i have to pay my buddy at the slaughterhouse (islamic) to make it all clean and halal and stuff |
| 09:16.54 | Nyle | 1 goat lasts a good month |
| 09:16.58 | carl | hi, i did some system updates (dist-upgrade) and now i have no sound, could it somehow have removed alsa or something like that? rythem box comlains of a gstream error and the sound pref says that it cant open the audio device |
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| 09:17.14 | Nyle | well i don't ever see the goat |
| 09:17.17 | ManuP | how do i check wheather my sata drive is configured as sata? |
| 09:17.19 | Nyle | i just buy the meat i guess |
| 09:17.24 | Nyle | but tis all fresh |
| 09:17.25 | gordonjcp | hm |
| 09:17.28 | WormFood | I was wondering how long it would take before someone had a debian question after we started talking about food |
| 09:17.36 | Nyle | lol |
| 09:17.37 | ManuP | ^^ |
| 09:17.45 | gordonjcp | ManuP: it's a meaningless question |
| 09:17.49 | Nyle | ManuP: umm.. wtf |
| 09:17.58 | Dewi | ManuP: well, if it works it's probably not using telepathy |
| 09:18.00 | Nyle | how would a sata disk not be sata/ |
| 09:18.13 | Nyle | thats like saying, yeh i have a sata disk but its pata |
| 09:18.27 | ManuP | Dewi: oh, but on the package was written "uses kind of telepathy..." :) |
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| 09:18.40 | Nyle | ManuP: you should contact the manufacturer |
| 09:18.44 | gordonjcp | Nyle: when I say I have a freezer full of fresh lamb, I mean a couple of days before I had the freezer full of lamb I went out in the field and said "Mmmm, *that* one. Purple paint, please!" |
| 09:18.48 | Nyle | ManuP: tell em telepathy not working |
| 09:18.52 | rebugger | !help |
| 09:19.05 | Nyle | gordonjcp: sick bastard |
| 09:19.06 | Dewi | ManuP: anyway PATA and SATA cables are significantly different, just look |
| 09:19.13 | Nyle | gordonjcp: goats are sooo cute and cuddly |
| 09:19.16 | gordonjcp | Nyle: "sick bastard" how exactly? |
| 09:19.19 | freezer | what do u have? |
| 09:19.19 | Nyle | I can't see the goat and then kill it |
| 09:19.20 | freezer | :p |
| 09:19.21 | ManuP | I was just wondering, because it had no effect on the spees of the device, wheather i set the sata-controller in the biso on ide oder ahci... hdparm -tT gave same speeds. |
| 09:19.28 | Nyle | if i see the goat |
| 09:19.30 | gordonjcp | Nyle: then you have no right to eat it |
| 09:19.31 | Nyle | I can't kill it |
| 09:19.34 | Nyle | so i dn't see it |
| 09:19.39 | Nyle | of course i do |
| 09:19.45 | gordonjcp | Nyle: I grew up on a farm |
| 09:19.47 | Nyle | I have the right to do whatever the fuck I want |
| 09:19.52 | WormFood | my daughter was pretty grossed out at the thought of eating "duck blood soup", because ducks are cute |
| 09:19.54 | Nyle | who are you to tell me otherwise/ |
| 09:19.55 | Nyle | ? |
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| 09:19.58 | ManuP | Dewi: arn't there differences in the speed? sata should have 3Gb/s? |
| 09:20.00 | gordonjcp | you want traceability, I know *exactly* where my lamb came from |
| 09:20.04 | jim | usually sata cables are about half an inch wide and red |
| 09:20.07 | carl | i have snd_hda_intel 239160 0, does that mean it aint loaded? |
| 09:20.30 | gordonjcp | Nyle: not only do I know where my lamb came from, I knew where its mum came from |
| 09:20.40 | Nyle | gordonjcp: sick bastard |
| 09:20.50 | ManuP | jim: i know that it is an sata drive. |
| 09:21.14 | jim | so what's the issue |
| 09:21.17 | Nyle | you know in our garages or elsewhere, every eyar in pakistan, we have the butcher come to our house in the morning on Eid |
| 09:21.18 | Dewi | Nyle: ... |
| 09:21.33 | ManuP | jim: it's just that i want to use it with the full bandwith. my Bios can switch between ide and ahci for the drive. |
| 09:21.35 | Nyle | then the butcher sacrifices the animal and starts to cut up the meat |
| 09:21.38 | gordonjcp | ManuP: do you mean whether or not it's SATA 1.5 or SATA 3? |
| 09:21.44 | Nyle | I've seen over 18 Eids with that stuff |
| 09:21.55 | Nyle | many many of those |
| 09:21.56 | ManuP | gordonjcp: could be. i just want to have the full-speed. |
| 09:22.08 | Dewi | Nyle: so... why are you calling other people sick bastards? |
| 09:22.10 | gordonjcp | Nyle: see, in the UK you're not really allowed to slaughter animals at home, you need to use a licenced abbatoir |
| 09:22.10 | Nyle | its not that I don't liek it, but.. if i see an animal and its cute, I can't kill it |
| 09:22.11 | carl | anybody? |
| 09:22.15 | jim | ManuP: ide and ahci have something to do with sata? |
| 09:22.16 | Nyle | its just not me |
| 09:22.29 | gordonjcp | Nyle: so of course, no-one *ever* slaughters at home. Yeah. Definitely not. |
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| 09:22.36 | Nyle | for example |
| 09:22.43 | Nyle | i think killing animals is fucked up |
| 09:22.47 | Nyle | you shouldn't do t hat |
| 09:22.49 | Nyle | seriously |
| 09:22.54 | gordonjcp | why not? |
| 09:23.04 | Nyle | but if you were with PETA and come and give me a lecture for 2 fucking hours on it |
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| 09:23.08 | gordonjcp | they taste good, and they're a good way to produce good food |
| 09:23.08 | Penix | don't make me ring the OT bell |
| 09:23.10 | WormFood | nothing lives forever |
| 09:23.15 | Nyle | I will choke a cute little fuzzy bunny in front of you |
| 09:23.15 | mosno | Penix: haha |
| 09:23.17 | Nyle | just to piss you off |
| 09:23.18 | Nyle | now |
| 09:23.20 | ManuP | jim: ähm... tell me. i thought the "old", 3inch cables were ide and the new red, small ones were sata |
| 09:23.23 | Nyle | we're done. |
| 09:23.26 | gordonjcp | ManuP: correct |
| 09:23.28 | WormFood | and I'm an omnivore, so I'm supposed to eat meat too |
| 09:23.50 | Nyle | so don't lecture me |
| 09:23.52 | jim | ManuP: yes... so you have a drive and a sata cable, yes? |
| 09:23.56 | Nyle | I got the right to eat whatever I want |
| 09:24.04 | ManuP | jim: yeah. |
| 09:24.07 | Nyle | and I don't eat blood or intestines |
| 09:24.09 | jim | WormFood: and omni magazine? |
| 09:24.12 | Dewi | Nyle: not while you're calling people sick bastards for slaughtering the food you yourself eat |
| 09:24.14 | Nyle | and you can't make me ;) |
| 09:24.30 | gordonjcp | ManuP: if you've got a flat red cable about as wide as your finger, that's SATA |
| 09:24.30 | jim | ManuP: do you have a place in your computer that accepts the cable? |
| 09:24.33 | Nyle | Dewi: oh did I forget to add a smiley |
| 09:24.34 | WormFood | jim, indeed ;) |
| 09:24.36 | Dewi | Nyle: that just makes you look hypocritical. Particularly while you are endorsing religious sacrifices |
| 09:24.38 | Nyle | ? |
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| 09:24.49 | Nyle | no it makes you seem like you have no sense of humor |
| 09:24.49 | gordonjcp | ManuP: it might be SATA1 or SATA2, confusingly also called SATA 1.5 or SATA 3 |
| 09:24.51 | ManuP | gordonjcp: jap, i have this small red cable, as i told before :) |
| 09:25.04 | gordonjcp | ManuP: and it's plugged in at both ends? |
| 09:25.19 | ManuP | jim: of course!! i have booted from that device and i am now chatting with you (no telepathy :) ) |
| 09:25.21 | Nyle | Dewi: when did I endorse it? |
| 09:25.25 | Dewi | Nyle: unless I had an invisible smiley as well, dude |
| 09:25.30 | Nyle | Dewi: quit assuming shit ffs. |
| 09:25.43 | jim | ahh. so the only issue I guess is performance |
| 09:25.48 | jim | here's the thing... |
| 09:26.15 | ManuP | jim: well, yeah. how do i ensure, that i get maximum speed? |
| 09:26.17 | wam | Hi, I just added a new net to my server. IPs from this net need another gateway. So I would try "ip r a default src 1.2.3.4/26 dev eth0 via 1.2.3.1". Is this correct or can I say goodbye to my server? |
| 09:26.50 | jim | the speed of transfer over the wire is ever increasing kinda fast... while the speed that the drive itself is capable of communicating and even operating might increase, and if so more slowly |
| 09:26.55 | Nyle | Dewi: and yes... imo he is a sick bastard. he knows the little goat, and the little goats mom, and he still eats em. :( |
| 09:27.16 | fengor | so whats the problem with that |
| 09:27.16 | jim | are you sure the drive can overtake the speed of communication, making this exercise worth doing? |
| 09:27.19 | Nyle | Dewi: I, on the other hand, am not a sick bastard, because I try not to look at my goats AT ALL |
| 09:27.23 | fengor | if you cant look into its eyes dont eat it |
| 09:27.24 | gordonjcp | Nyle: sheep rather than goats |
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| 09:27.28 | Nyle | :D |
| 09:27.39 | fengor | just because you have seen it doesnt changes the fact it is killed for you |
| 09:27.42 | gordonjcp | Nyle: dude, you've got some pretty odd values |
| 09:27.43 | RichiH | is there a way to find out what /dev nodes are mapped to a device appearing in lspci? i normally go via dmesg, but just realized there might be a direct way |
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| 09:28.03 | jim | so you have goats, you don't look at them... |
| 09:28.07 | ManuP | jim: it is a brand new HD from Hitachi. it should support it. |
| 09:28.10 | jim | alllrightey then! |
| 09:28.11 | Nyle | nope |
| 09:28.24 | gordonjcp | ManuP: not all boards will talk SATA2 to all drives |
| 09:28.24 | ManuP | RichiH: fdisk -l ? |
| 09:28.28 | Nyle | I just go pay 200$ a goat, get a few kilos of fresh goat meat and keep it in my freezer |
| 09:28.39 | Nyle | I'm too sensitive to kill a goat after I see it |
| 09:28.41 | jim | do you have goats and an RME multiface II? :) |
| 09:28.46 | gordonjcp | ManuP: even if the drive and the board support SATA2, they might not negotiate at that speed |
| 09:28.50 | Nyle | like I said, I've been through 18 Eid with slaughterings, I can't stand that shit |
| 09:28.53 | ManuP | gordonjcp: it is a new board with sata2. |
| 09:28.58 | freezer | stop highlighting me! |
| 09:29.00 | WormFood | not looking at the goats as food |
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| 09:29.04 | Nyle | freezer: heh |
| 09:29.06 | ManuP | gordonjcp: is there a way to check? |
| 09:29.12 | gordonjcp | ManuP: not sure |
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| 09:29.22 | jim | freezer: that would be your irc client doing that |
| 09:29.26 | RichiH | ManuP: hard disks are not shown with lspci ;) |
| 09:29.40 | Nyle | you know what |
| 09:29.43 | Nyle | I love goats man |
| 09:29.49 | Nyle | I love goat meat too |
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| 09:29.57 | jim | ManuP: I'm not saying it won't work, what I am saying is... |
| 09:30.00 | Nyle | but i just can't stand the idea of killing a goat i know or i've met |
| 09:30.02 | Nyle | ok now im done |
| 09:30.04 | Nyle | :D |
| 09:30.05 | freezer | jim: you want to die? |
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| 09:30.30 | jim | freezer: you are responsible for the actions of your client. rewrite it. |
| 09:30.46 | jim | also blow it out your ass |
| 09:30.50 | Nyle | jim: umm.. bull |
| 09:30.55 | Dewi | jim: it's less the client and more "choosing a name that is a dictionary word" |
| 09:31.04 | ManuP | RichiH: lspci?? i said fdisk -l |
| 09:31.07 | Dewi | jim: OTOH not many on-topic discussions would involve freezers |
| 09:31.10 | Nyle | you mean to tell everyone NOT to use hilighting? |
| 09:31.16 | jim | it's absolutely the client :) |
| 09:31.24 | gordonjcp | hm |
| 09:31.30 | Nyle | instead you should tell people not to unneccesirily hilight people's nicknames |
| 09:31.31 | gordonjcp | freezer doesn't highlight for me |
| 09:31.36 | jim | no, to tell people who don't want to be hilited to turn it off |
| 09:31.38 | Dewi | jim: how many clients do you know that do semantic matching? :P |
| 09:31.45 | RaymondX | What's this applet that let's you display the system monitor on DSL? can i install it on debian? |
| 09:31.53 | Nyle | and the people who are stupid enough to pick a nickname on IRC that is a regular everyday word in conversations, then they deserve it |
| 09:31.57 | Nyle | fuck em. |
| 09:32.03 | gordonjcp | maybe you could set it to only highlight if the word "freezer" is at the start of a line? |
| 09:32.33 | gordonjcp | I know I'd be getting annoyed by now if my nick was freezer and I was constantly getting highlighted |
| 09:32.35 | jim | never mind the hiliting for now... what about that sata thing? |
| 09:32.40 | SparFux | console-setup sucks like hell! Now I have a german keyboard and it doesn't go away! |
| 09:32.53 | gordonjcp | streuner: maybe freezer isn't a common word in the channels you're in |
| 09:33.08 | RichiH | ManuP: and i said lspci |
| 09:33.08 | Nyle | streuner: I see the word freezer on irc like every day |
| 09:33.11 | gordonjcp | streuner: I can think of one channel where we use the word freezer quite a lot |
| 09:33.28 | jim | Dewi: about the same number that do useful tab completion... |
| 09:33.38 | freezer | lol |
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| 09:33.55 | WormFood | that reminds me of the joke about the woman who puts her parrot in the freezer as punishment for cussing...and he looks at the frozen turkey in the freezer and says "you must have told the bitch to go fuck herself" |
| 09:33.57 | ManuP | RichiH: oh, i see. but that was why i added "?" at the end of my line |
| 09:34.10 | Nyle | WormFood: haha |
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| 09:34.17 | Nyle | wicked. |
| 09:34.21 | gordonjcp | freezer: I'm going to stop highlighting you now ;-) |
| 09:34.22 | jim | SparFux: if only you could exchange the german keyboard for a german supermodel... |
| 09:34.27 | Dewi | WormFood: hahaha |
| 09:34.31 | SparFux | jim: I would agree! |
| 09:34.40 | SparFux | jim: But only for the german keyboard on the console. |
| 09:34.52 | ManuP | whats the speed of sata1 and sata2? |
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| 09:35.07 | Nyle | with 7200rpm? |
| 09:35.11 | Nyle | wont ever notice a diff. |
| 09:35.16 | Nyle | doesn't matter which speed you run it at |
| 09:35.23 | Nyle | so don't even worry |
| 09:35.28 | jim | sata1 is 150mb/s, sata2 is double that |
| 09:35.33 | ManuP | i got chache read: 3700MB/s, disk read: 80MB/s |
| 09:36.01 | jim | ManuP: so sata1 will probably handle the full bandwidth for your drive? |
| 09:36.04 | jim | oh good :) |
| 09:36.10 | jim | another satisfied customer :) |
| 09:36.11 | ManuP | oh, so there is something wrong because i only get 80MB/s... |
| 09:36.32 | jim | no, the drive is probably only capable of that |
| 09:36.51 | jim | so if you put two drives on the same cable that would max it out sometimes |
| 09:37.16 | ManuP | hmm... it has 7200 rpm. maybe i should check the specifications of the drive. |
| 09:37.17 | Dewi | ManuP: if you're reading from the cache 46 times as fast as the read head can get data, I wouldn't worry too much about bottlenecks on the comms channel |
| 09:37.22 | zinx | 80MB/s is normal for a hard drive |
| 09:37.22 | SparFux | Anyway, I am almost positive there is a BUG in console-setup. So I will try older versions as I know once it worked for me! |
| 09:37.23 | jim | 80 mb/s is pretty fast... why not just be happy :) |
| 09:37.45 | jim | if the drive can't go faster, you have no choice anyway |
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| 09:37.56 | Nyle | give it more juice |
| 09:37.59 | Nyle | ! |
| 09:38.12 | ManuP | Dewi: but if i only read 80MB/s from disk and could have 150 or 300... this is a difference. |
| 09:38.15 | Nyle | lol |
| 09:38.21 | Nyle | \o\ |
| 09:38.25 | Nyle | lol |
| 09:38.25 | Dewi | ManuP: I've never seen disks that fast |
| 09:38.29 | Dewi | ManuP: have you? |
| 09:38.30 | zinx | ManuP: you aren't going to get more than 80MB/s for a 7200RPM drive |
| 09:38.41 | WormFood | you have to squeeze a goat pretty hard to get juice out of it |
| 09:38.41 | zinx | ManuP: or at least, not a heck of a lot more |
| 09:38.42 | jim | ManuP: you keep missing the point |
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| 09:38.45 | ManuP | Dewi: no |
| 09:38.49 | zinx | ManuP: hard drives are slow. |
| 09:38.51 | jim | oh well... I'm gonna go get something |
| 09:39.00 | Nyle | unless you have a 15k rpm drive |
| 09:39.00 | ManuP | zinx: so, what is your speed and wich hd are you using? |
| 09:39.03 | Nyle | those are nice |
| 09:39.13 | zinx | ManuP: SATA1 has more than enough bandwidth to run even the fastest conventional hard drives |
| 09:39.16 | jim | sata1 is faster than a lot of drives |
| 09:39.35 | ManuP | what was the average speed of ide drives? |
| 09:39.40 | jim | it could be that your drive can only go 80 mb/s |
| 09:39.47 | Dewi | ManuP: like 30MB/s at best |
| 09:39.50 | zinx | ManuP: 80MB/s is a fast modern 7200RPM drive |
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| 09:39.53 | Nyle | 15k rpm disks on a sata raid channel may max em out |
| 09:40.02 | Dewi | ManuP: well maybe 50 on a good day |
| 09:40.04 | WormFood | when I was on the airplane between guangzhou and shenyang, they brought out the drink cart, and they had a carton of "meat juice"...and I saw it, and it was thick and red, and looked pretty gross....so I tried some, and it was pretty damn good....I'm sure the "meat" was the meat of the fruit, and not animal meat...chinglish for ya |
| 09:40.15 | Nyle | but its hard to saturte the bandwidth all the way to 300 |
| 09:40.18 | zinx | Nyle: yeah, but most consumer equipment is one channel -> one drive |
| 09:40.20 | ManuP | Nyle: never seen 15rpm drives. fastes was the WD raptor with 10k :) |
| 09:40.22 | Nyle | unless you have a massive raid array |
| 09:40.31 | Nyle | er.. |
| 09:40.33 | Nyle | 15k :) |
| 09:40.34 | Nyle | not 15 |
| 09:40.49 | jim | I heard the chinese word for meat is their word for pork |
| 09:41.02 | Dewi | yeah but the music sounded better on 15 RPM disks! |
| 09:41.08 | Nyle | lol |
| 09:41.13 | Nyle | no |
| 09:41.23 | Nyle | hd quality is best |
| 09:41.26 | Nyle | isn't it |
| 09:41.27 | ManuP | ^^ |
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| 09:41.34 | zinx | the music sounds better when it's not overcompressed to heck and back, no matter what the media is :P |
| 09:41.43 | Penix | I'm wasting a 10k rpm U160 drive on a lame 32bit PCI bus right now |
| 09:41.46 | Dewi | You guys are great |
| 09:41.46 | Nyle | zinx: just for kicks.. what ... |
| 09:41.54 | Nyle | zinx: like classical at all? |
| 09:41.55 | Dewi | every random comment results in a new, passionate, off-topic discussion |
| 09:41.59 | Dewi | truly sensational |
| 09:42.00 | zinx | Nyle: anything? |
| 09:42.04 | Nyle | zinx: word |
| 09:42.12 | Nyle | zinx: you like rap? |
| 09:42.16 | zinx | Dewi: it's quite nice |
| 09:42.24 | Nyle | cuz.. nobody likes rap |
| 09:42.28 | zinx | Nyle: anything was a response to 'what' |
| 09:42.35 | Nyle | oh |
| 09:42.38 | Penix | !spank Nyle |
| 09:42.50 | Nyle | hey! man :( |
| 09:43.03 | SparFux | Bingo! With console-setup 1.19 it works on the console again. |
| 09:43.04 | jim | Penix: in a consolating form... maybe the drive fits a u160 connector and electrically works,,, but it's kinda likely that it doesn't quite get to that speed |
| 09:43.14 | jim | or does it? |
| 09:43.20 | ManuP | one last thing: what's the difference between the BIOS-setting IDE and ahci? on both settings, i measure the same speeds. |
| 09:43.24 | Penix | no, it doesn't. that's my point |
| 09:43.24 | Nyle | Dewi: heh |
| 09:43.27 | iateadonut | wormfood, yeah, chinese food is great. |
| 09:43.35 | Penix | well, it'll tell you its running full speed |
| 09:43.35 | iateadonut | the food you eat is a lot different than what i'm eating though. |
| 09:43.36 | Nyle | Dewi: I'm gonna go smoke pot and watch porn and ... I mean movies |
| 09:43.37 | Nyle | ;) |
| 09:43.39 | ManuP | so it is the same, because my disk/board arnt faster then ide? |
| 09:43.40 | Dewi | ManuP: the method used by the driver to talk to the hardware |
| 09:43.44 | iateadonut | between guangzhou and north china. |
| 09:43.59 | ManuP | Dewi: and why no difference in speed? |
| 09:44.07 | WormFood | iateadonut, in guangzhou they eat EVERYTHING |
| 09:44.09 | Dewi | ManuP: that stuff is more about getting drivers working with different hardware than anything else |
| 09:44.19 | jim | ManuP: we're comparing sata1 speed to the speed your drive is capable of communicating at |
| 09:44.22 | Penix | ManuP: sata1 being 150 MB/s doesn't mean you get that speed |
| 09:44.35 | Dewi | ManuP: because the speed bottlenecks are in hardware, not between drivers and hardware |
| 09:44.41 | Penix | ManuP: and the same with 2 |
| 09:44.46 | Dewi | ManuP: copying RAM around is relatively fast |
| 09:44.54 | WormFood | iateadonut, I was in shenyang (north of beijing) and the food wasn't that different from here in Guangzhou |
| 09:44.55 | ManuP | Penix: right. and because i only get 80mb/s, ide isnt at the border... |
| 09:45.01 | Dewi | ManuP: provided you're not using port I/O or something horrible |
| 09:45.03 | iateadonut | really? |
| 09:45.06 | iateadonut | huh. |
| 09:45.07 | WormFood | yeah |
| 09:45.08 | jim | if that's a sata2 drive be happy you didn't go out and buy sata2 controllers |
| 09:45.13 | iateadonut | when i was in hong kong, it was way different. |
| 09:45.20 | iateadonut | i think shandong food is a bit different. |
| 09:45.35 | WormFood | I think everything in shenyang we have in guangzhou, but guangzhou has stuff not in shenyang |
| 09:45.37 | iateadonut | in linyi there was some kind of bug infestation. these things were everywhere. i got served them that night, which was interesting. |
| 09:45.51 | ManuP | jim: why? what's wrong with sata2 controllers? |
| 09:45.55 | iateadonut | ganbian datoucai is big there, right? |
| 09:45.56 | iateadonut | big everywhere. |
| 09:45.57 | WormFood | I haven't eaten bugs yet, at least not that I know of |
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| 09:46.08 | WormFood | I'm not sure, I don't recognize that name |
| 09:46.11 | v4qU3r0 | &&&&][ 4k1 4nd0 ll3gand0 m3 xtr4Ñ4r0n ][&&&& |
| 09:46.15 | Penix | ManuP: are you using a decent AHCI controller and drive that supports all the fancy performance enhancing features? |
| 09:46.17 | jim | they're much faster than you need, and I think sata1 controllers are as well |
| 09:46.23 | iateadonut | anyway, back to dr seuss. |
| 09:46.32 | ManuP | WormFood: there was a studi which said, everybody eats at least 5 spiders, 12 bugs etc. per year :) |
| 09:46.43 | jim | !google fox in winsox |
| 09:46.45 | DeathWolf | -!- http://www.406club.net/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=3&t=1779 |
| 09:46.48 | WormFood | that is cool...lots of protein ;) |
| 09:46.51 | gordonjcp | ManuP: 80mb == 80 mega *bits* per second? |
| 09:47.00 | gordonjcp | ManuP: if so, that sounds like PATA in PIO mode |
| 09:47.00 | Dewi | jim: at least sata2 controllers do those head path optimisations |
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| 09:47.06 | gordonjcp | ManuP: or a knackered SATA controller |
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| 09:47.25 | ManuP | Penix: i am using a new asus board with a new HD. dont know if it supports the fancy things. at least it supports raid |
| 09:47.26 | gordonjcp | ManuP: re eating bugs, many many more if you ride motorcycles |
| 09:47.46 | WormFood | that is how you can tell the happy motorcyclists...by the bugs in their teeth |
| 09:47.49 | Penix | ManuP: if anything mentions 'raid' support, just ignore it |
| 09:47.50 | Dewi | gordonjcp: or eat mass produced salads |
| 09:47.56 | gordonjcp | Dewi: tre |
| 09:47.58 | jim | raid on the motherboard isn't actual real hardware raid (usually) |
| 09:48.00 | gordonjcp | true, even |
| 09:48.21 | ManuP | how do you recongnize the friendly bycicler? at the flys between his teeth |
| 09:48.23 | Dewi | gordonjcp: I've had cockroach and ladybug... there was a newspaper article about somebody near here getting a whole frog once |
| 09:48.27 | jim | only eat massless salads! you'll lose weight! |
| 09:48.48 | mosty | is it possible to setup multiple vlans on the same linux box, using the same ip address on each of the vlan interfaces, and a range of different ip adresses on the far end of each? using host routes for the specific vlans |
| 09:48.48 | WormFood | I've eaten frog before (in usa) |
| 09:48.56 | ManuP | gordonjcp: it is the value hdparm -tT /dev/sda gave. dont know if MB or Mbits... |
| 09:49.00 | Penix | ManuP: find out what sata chip your board uses and try to find some info on it. could be some cheap, crappy thing not worth using |
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| 09:49.17 | Dewi | WormFood: I'm talking about frogs being unintentionally included in packaged salad |
| 09:49.23 | jim | mosty: that would be problematic for routing |
| 09:49.26 | WormFood | in salad? |
| 09:49.27 | ManuP | gordonjcp: well, it says MB in x sec. so it Byte. |
| 09:49.28 | Dewi | WormFood: not cooked up all french style :P |
| 09:49.30 | WormFood | that is a new one on me |
| 09:49.44 | jim | otoh, I think you just invented a "bridge" |
| 09:49.52 | WormFood | I have heard about the kentucky fried rat before tho |
| 09:50.00 | gordonjcp | ManuP: so 80MBytes per second is actually pretty OK |
| 09:50.03 | ManuP | Penix: with lspci? i know,that it is an intel 9?6 chip.. |
| 09:50.11 | gordonjcp | WormFood: I've eaten crocodile before |
| 09:50.15 | Dewi | ManuP: I'd be happy with 80MB/s |
| 09:50.17 | mosty | jim, the linux box could have host routes, as long as the other end of each vlan always has a unique ip (even if it's in the same subnet) though, right? |
| 09:50.18 | Dewi | as well |
| 09:50.19 | WormFood | I would if I had the chance |
| 09:50.38 | WormFood | i'd even try dog, at least once....if I had the chance (it is expensive here) |
| 09:50.49 | Nyle | again |
| 09:50.51 | Nyle | with the food |
| 09:50.54 | jim | mosty: I don't have enough info/skill to really answer that... but it does sound like a bridge |
| 09:50.58 | WormFood | my friend I went to visit yesterday said she has eaten cat before :( |
| 09:51.01 | Nyle | btw, we eat a lot of good stuff down south in louisiana |
| 09:51.02 | Nyle | :D |
| 09:51.03 | Dewi | mosty: my friends used to have 3 or 4 different vlans all routable to eachother |
| 09:51.09 | Nyle | ever had fried frog legs? |
| 09:51.18 | Dewi | mosty: over dialup |
| 09:51.24 | Nyle | or a neutra rat or something |
| 09:51.24 | Dewi | mosty: latency could be pretty bad though :) |
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| 09:51.30 | WormFood | I don't remember how the frog legs were cooked that I ate...I think they were fried |
| 09:51.41 | mosty | dewi: i specifically don't want the vlans to see each other |
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| 09:51.48 | Nyle | WormFood: thats great... go to #exoticfoods |
| 09:52.00 | jim | that's weird |
| 09:52.06 | WormFood | its not really exotic here :P |
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| 09:52.28 | Nyle | I love the Cainan Chronicle! |
| 09:52.29 | ManuP | gordonjcp: the sata-controller is intel 82801HR/HO/HH (ICH8R... and the Host bridge is P965 |
| 09:52.41 | jim | I would suggest more conventional routing, pick different subnets rather than have the same subnet |
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| 09:52.52 | jim | why bother having the same subnet? |
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| 09:53.26 | Nyle | amd64 port of debian is fully 64 bit? |
| 09:53.29 | msshams | hi, what is default debian mail server? |
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| 09:53.42 | jim | if the drive does 80m bytes / sec then it does about 800mb/s |
| 09:53.59 | jim | postfix or exim |
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| 09:54.16 | msshams | is this good for large enterprise? |
| 09:54.22 | guitar_brasil | hello |
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| 09:54.41 | Dewi | msshams: iirc, if you choose 'standard server' in tasksel you will get exim, but you can avoid that and just install postfix if you want (this is my preference) |
| 09:54.49 | jim | you're going to need a complete list of your requirements |
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| 09:55.06 | jim | I'm not going to make guesses with information that's limited in any way |
| 09:55.51 | Dewi | msshams: if you're dealing with a large enterprise you should be doing better research than asking anonymous irc people for an endorsement with no detailed information :P |
| 09:56.27 | jim | exactly, and probably you're looking at hiring a consultant |
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| 09:57.49 | ManuP | btw, how do i switch the beep of the speaker off? |
| 09:58.05 | jim | if you're working for a company and you have control over the mail servers, you either know what you're doing or you hire someone who does |
| 09:58.24 | msshams | jim: we have very domains and very accounts and need pop3 and spam checker and anti virus, we need web administration page for our customers that can manage themselves email account. we need our account can forward and need mailing list too. is these mail servers good for our enterprise? ;) |
| 09:58.48 | jim | not by themselves |
| 09:58.49 | jelly | msshams: fwiw, exim4 is installed by default. A somewhat light build thereof, package "exim4-daemon-light". Debian has had its share of weird MTAs installed by default, so this might not mean much. |
| 09:59.04 | ManuP | it is quite usefull if there is an error during compilation, but not if you hit tab and command complemention isnt unique (probably wrong word..) |
| 09:59.51 | jim | but many of them can handle the load you speak of |
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| 10:00.09 | jim | you're looking at hiring someone to do this. |
| 10:01.07 | ManuP | set bell-style off dont work |
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| 10:01.44 | jim | unplug the speaker from the motherboard |
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| 10:02.11 | jelly | blacklist pcspkr? |
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| 10:03.24 | guitar_brasil | does someone knows if I can get my sister's ethernet card work installing debian? the card is an Attansic(R) L1 Gigabit" one. In archlinux I can't get it working but in ubuntu I do, so I guess debian also cold do it. |
| 10:03.45 | guitar_brasil | could* do it |
| 10:03.57 | jim | maybe |
| 10:04.27 | jim | happen to know the chipset? |
| 10:05.06 | guitar_brasil | jim let me get the mother board's manual to look at it |
| 10:05.29 | jim | or also look at lspci when you're running linux on it |
| 10:05.36 | jim | on the machine with it |
| 10:05.55 | ManuP | thanks guys for information. cu |
| 10:07.42 | guitar_brasil | jim: it it an asus P5GC-MX |
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| 10:10.13 | guitar_brasil | jim: northbridge intel 945cg southbridge intel ich7 (or Lch7) |
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| 10:11.43 | msshams | jim: which is best you think? exim, postfix or xmail ? |
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| 10:13.25 | jelly | msshams: you _don't_ want to base a decision from what random people on irc tell you. |
| 10:14.58 | msshams | :-! |
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| 10:15.30 | WormFood | msshams, qmail |
| 10:15.34 | jim | msshams: I almost want to say sendmail, but I don't think you need that even for this, and you'll -definitely- be hiring at least one person who knows sendmail like the back of their hand to take care of it |
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| 10:16.23 | Knight_Lord | What could cause open(2) to block? |
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| 10:16.38 | Knight_Lord | I cannot cd to files in my RAID partition |
| 10:16.41 | wols | msshams: unless you ave a good reason, exim4 or postfix. exim4 since it's with debian, some (like me) like postfix config better |
| 10:16.41 | jim | device not ready? |
| 10:16.44 | msshams | WormFood: i need a mailserver that debian support it. |
| 10:16.51 | Knight_Lord | it blocks at open("donatello/", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY |
| 10:16.59 | Knight_Lord | according to strace |
| 10:17.01 | wols | Knight_Lord: it gives you an error |
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| 10:17.10 | wols | strace returns an error |
| 10:17.12 | Knight_Lord | wols no error, it's just frozen there |
| 10:17.26 | jim | msshams: whoa... debian will not be your support team for a specific application |
| 10:17.37 | wols | jelly: we usually give good advice, even when we are random people on irc. we are not #ubuntu or such after all :) |
| 10:17.57 | jelly | wols: I that case, I second qmail. |
| 10:18.01 | gordonjcp | msshams: exim works pretty well |
| 10:18.02 | wols | msshams: any MTA in main is supported |
| 10:18.22 | wols | msshams: but: as jim said: we are not your helpdesk |
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| 10:18.26 | wols | !tell msshams about fish |
| 10:18.26 | gordonjcp | msshams: there are a lot of good HOWTOs on things like using MySQL for virtual server and user configs, and groovy stuff like that |
| 10:18.30 | Knight_Lord | donatello is where /dev/md0 is mounted and mdadm --detail /dev/md0 doesn't show anything bad |
| 10:18.32 | jim | but what support will you require? |
| 10:19.18 | jim | actually I'll hold off on asking that question |
| 10:19.29 | Knight_Lord | I can even cat from /dev/md0 without blocking |
| 10:19.32 | msshams | jim: i know. but with debian simply apt-get install mail server and update it. |
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| 10:19.37 | wols | Knight_Lord: what do your logs say? |
| 10:19.43 | Knight_Lord | wols nothing |
| 10:19.44 | jim | instead, I invite you to find out what debian means when it says a package is supported |
| 10:19.58 | wols | msshams: that is not possible under ANY OS. mail is never that easy. NEVER |
| 10:20.00 | Knight_Lord | wols and it's an unkillable block (suggesting it's waiting on the kernel level) |
| 10:20.18 | jelly | msshams: that's a very naive view of things. If you have paying customers, you need to have a person that can fix problems. |
| 10:20.26 | wols | msshams: unless you really want to knee yourself into mail admin a bit you will fail. sooner or later. maybe not immediately but you will. mail is evil |
| 10:20.41 | hoodlum_ | oi if i recreate me mdadm conf through mdadm n shit, does this mean i will lose data that is written across my 3 current drives? |
| 10:21.01 | jim | msshams: noting that you are asking for things much larger than just a mail server (like a webmail interface), that's true for individual packages |
| 10:21.02 | jelly | msshams: if you have more than say 100,000 users, you might even need more than one person. |
| 10:21.26 | wols | jim: if the mailserver itself actually works the webmail part is easy :) |
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| 10:21.50 | msshams | ok thanks friends. :D |
| 10:21.57 | jim | you mean with something like squirrelmail? |
| 10:21.58 | wols | jelly: if one has that many mailboxex and one asks on irc about mail adminning one is a moron. pure and simple :) |
| 10:22.08 | wols | jim: yes |
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| 10:22.14 | hoodlum_ | yer so fuck, i dunno mdadm must be just being a slut |
| 10:22.14 | S4nD3r | I need some help to install module to recognize my pendrive |
| 10:22.16 | jelly | wols: he said "very". I don't know how many figures that is |
| 10:22.37 | wols | !tell S4nD3r about errors |
| 10:22.54 | wols | S4nD3r: you should know the drill by now.... but then, you are a hopeless sunday case |
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| 10:22.58 | WormFood | does anyone have any suggestions as to the "best" vpn software for Linux? |
| 10:23.04 | wols | !best |
| 10:23.04 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 10:23.33 | jim | hoodlum_: the standard line for anything like that, is "back up your drives to reasonable media before doing anything questionable" |
| 10:23.39 | wols | WormFood: easy: does not exist. anytime someone asks about "best" for anything it's a vrey easy question to answer |
| 10:23.40 | WormFood | I already said...the best for linux :P |
| 10:23.49 | hoodlum_ | jim, hrm.. very true. |
| 10:23.52 | WormFood | that is why I put "best" in quotes |
| 10:23.53 | wols | WormFood: still a bullshit question |
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| 10:23.58 | WormFood | because "best" is subjective |
| 10:23.59 | ktwilight | WormFood, ask again from a different angle ;) |
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| 10:24.17 | wols | WormFood: which makes the answer meaningless |
| 10:24.23 | jelly | wols: I can afford to keep 2000 students mailless for a day or so, but "enterprise" smells like paying customers and/or business processes depending on mail. |
| 10:24.38 | jim | WormFood: so you knew that deal... replace the word "best" with your detailed requirements |
| 10:24.39 | wols | WormFood: personally I like openvpn. someone I know hates it cause of the TUN interface, etc |
| 10:24.42 | jelly | WormFood: openvpn has a nice name |
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| 10:25.01 | RichiH | hmm, anyone aware of a way to install debsecan updates without marking those packages as maually installed? |
| 10:25.25 | WormFood | I just need to tunnel back to my home network, across an insecure, public wireless connection |
| 10:25.39 | wols | RichiH: build your own debsecan packages with approrpiate dependencies? |
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| 10:25.52 | WormFood | I had used ppp and ssh in the past for simple things, but I understand it has problems when you have many connections |
| 10:25.56 | wols | WormFood: you ahve root on both ends? |
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| 10:25.59 | WormFood | yes |
| 10:26.10 | nevyn | WormFood: I like openvpn |
| 10:26.19 | wols | ppp doesn't have problems. my whole internet access depends on ppp |
| 10:26.23 | nevyn | WormFood: or if you're masichistic there's always ipsec |
| 10:26.39 | wols | openvpn is nice since it's a fairly no hassle solution for almost any desktop like OS |
| 10:26.45 | WormFood | thanks, i'll check out openvpn |
| 10:26.50 | jelly | wols: ppp tunneled inside a tcp connection (= ssh) sounds like bad perofrmance |
| 10:27.03 | WormFood | if it works with winblows, that would be bonus, but not a requirement, since I rarely use winblows |
| 10:27.07 | wols | jelly: shush. I need to use pppoe. pity me! |
| 10:27.24 | wols | WormFood: it works well with windows and osx |
| 10:27.27 | nevyn | WormFood: it does |
| 10:27.43 | WormFood | I'll investigate openvpn, thanks for the suggestion |
| 10:28.13 | jelly | wols: I have a max possible MTU of 1428 bytes when I vpnc to work from home. Can't even count the layers |
| 10:28.25 | nevyn | jelly: wow... |
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| 10:29.00 | blueD | Hi, how can I make a *.sh script executable? |
| 10:29.08 | wols | jelly: strangely I don't have MTU issues anymore. I remember the clamp-mss I needed tho :) |
| 10:29.11 | happla | blueD: chmod 700 script.sh for your user |
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| 10:29.18 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to force a computer to reboot remotely? |
| 10:29.23 | wols | !tell blueD about permissions |
| 10:29.28 | happla | blueD: 755 if you want it read write executable for your users and readabel and executable for everyone else |
| 10:29.30 | jelly | there be ipsec over udp over pppoa over l2tp, and those are the ones I know about |
| 10:29.31 | happla | wols: cheat =) |
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| 10:29.37 | wols | Knight_Lord: shutdown -r now in a ssh shell when your are root |
| 10:29.40 | Knight_Lord | simply issuing "reboot" doesn't seem enough |
| 10:29.57 | Knight_Lord | wols yea but those D processes don't quit that easy |
| 10:29.59 | wols | Knight_Lord: are you root on the remote |
| 10:30.10 | Knight_Lord | wols sure |
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| 10:30.39 | wols | just checking |
| 10:30.46 | Knight_Lord | Is there any more violent way to do it? |
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| 10:30.49 | wols | your borken processes might be different unforutnaltely |
| 10:30.57 | JJobme | For some reason I haven't been able to load the xen kernel. I use debian etch. |
| 10:31.05 | JJobme | I've followed this howto: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_3.1 and I use the server remotely. I've tried to add the XEN-kernel as default to the /boot/grup/menu.lst but I've been unsuccesful so far. |
| 10:31.12 | JJobme | Here you can see my menu.lst: http://pastebin.org/19211 |
| 10:31.17 | JJobme | As far as I know, the XEN-kernel should be the default and should be loaded during the boot. What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:31.36 | jelly | Knight_Lord: which device are those D waiting for? |
| 10:31.45 | Knight_Lord | jelly /dev/mdo |
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| 10:31.46 | Knight_Lord | md0 |
| 10:31.56 | Knight_Lord | jelly but mdadm --detail /dev/md0 doesn't list any problem |
| 10:32.10 | Knight_Lord | jelly and i managed to cat /dev/md0 > /dev/null with no problem |
| 10:32.30 | Knight_Lord | jelly although there were some bad sectors reported by smartd on one of the disks of the array |
| 10:32.33 | jelly | Knight_Lord: uh. well. you can force a reboot with /proc/sysrq-trigger if you must |
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| 10:32.46 | WormFood | thanks for your help guys, I'm going to go do some work now. You all have a good day/night (whichever applies) |
| 10:32.52 | levander | I just figured out what started me down this whole mess with my graphics card. In the Ubuntu Screen and Graphics application, if I have the monitor's refresh set to 50 Hz, I get transparent vertical black bars across my desktop. When I change it to 57 Hz, they go away... Anybody seen anything similar to that? |
| 10:33.11 | jamesstilwell3rd | I used live-helper to build a sid system, using the usd-hdd image option... |
| 10:33.12 | levander | I always thought the difference between 50 and 57 Hz with these LCD monitors was just bad math on LInux's part.... |
| 10:33.18 | Knight_Lord | jelly how do i do that? |
| 10:33.19 | wols | sure. monitors have a minimum refresh rate |
| 10:33.24 | levander | That it really didn't matter. |
| 10:33.25 | JJobme | could anyone help me out with my kernel boot problem? |
| 10:33.28 | wols | but: we don't give a flying fuck about ubuntu problems here |
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| 10:33.54 | nevyn | levander: how is the LCD connected? |
| 10:33.58 | jelly | Knight_Lord: echo s >> /proc/sysrq-trigger && echo u >> /proc/sysrq-trigger && sleep 2 && echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger NO WARRANTY |
| 10:33.59 | levander | wols: I remember the first time I noticed I could set my LCD to have 50 or 57 Hz refresh. I couldn't tell what difference it made to the monitor. It made a huge difference this time. |
| 10:34.08 | wols | levander: tfts have a single refresh rate in their hardware, no matter what you give them as input. it'S usually 50 or 60Hz depending on your main power |
| 10:34.08 | levander | nevyn: Anaglog VGA cable. |
| 10:34.11 | jamesstilwell3rd | I've now got a directory (./binary); do I copy that to a stick, ms-sys it, then pray? |
| 10:34.18 | jelly | Knight_Lord: read about "magic sysrq" before applying |
| 10:34.19 | levander | nevyn: I'm about to switch it to DVI though. |
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| 10:34.42 | nevyn | levander: the ADC's in a lot of LCD's are not great and don't like refreshes above 50Hz |
| 10:34.46 | Knight_Lord | jelly thanks |
| 10:34.51 | jelly | !tell Knight_Lord -about sysrq |
| 10:35.10 | jamesstilwell3rd | Is there a debian-live channel? |
| 10:35.18 | jamesstilwell3rd | I can't seem to find much. |
| 10:35.48 | levander | wols: When I have Linux set to 50 Hz, my info button on my monitor puts up an on-screen display saying: 65.4 kHz / 59 Hz. When I set it to 57 Hz, the info button says 65.4 kHz / 60 Hz. |
| 10:35.55 | nevyn | levander: depending on whether your videocard does DVI-D or only DVD-A and whether the DVI port on the LCD is actually wired for DVD-D you may be able to do neat stuff |
| 10:36.10 | levander | nevyn: What neat stuff? |
| 10:36.28 | wols | !livecd |
| 10:36.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 10:36.31 | jelly | jamesstilwell3rd: irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 10:36.37 | wols | jelly: so you see there is |
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| 10:36.42 | nevyn | levander: good subpixel rendering and push the refresh higher by bypassing the ADC |
| 10:36.43 | levander | And, I can't imagine my video card doesn't do DVI-D. It's pretty new. |
| 10:36.45 | jamesstilwell3rd | jelly: great |
| 10:36.49 | Coke | This isn't really a Debian issue, but I'm running Debian testing with xorg 7.1.0-11 and I'm trying to get OpenGL support on it using the ATI proprietary drivers (because the free radeon drivers suck arse 3D-wise). My card is Xpress 200G and the fglrx drivers are installed. When I run glxgears with Xorg using fglrx X hangs hard. How can I make Xorg play nicely with the ATI drivers? |
| 10:36.52 | jamesstilwell3rd | jelly: thank you. |
| 10:37.09 | jamesstilwell3rd | nothing plays nice with fglrx |
| 10:37.16 | wols | Coke: dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 10:37.17 | levander | nevyn: The ADC is an analog chip I'm guessing? If you use DVI-D, you can bypass it? |
| 10:37.31 | Coke | wols: nothing. |
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| 10:37.46 | wols | Coke: then you don't run debian fglrx and it's not our problem.ask ati about their software |
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| 10:37.50 | Coke | jamesstilwell3rd: so, how do people get hardware OpenGL support for ATI cards? |
| 10:37.56 | levander | Coke: They've got entire web forums dedicated to all the tricks involved in getting fglrx working good. |
| 10:38.00 | wols | Coke: we install fglrx |
| 10:38.07 | Coke | wols: Debian has it's own? |
| 10:38.14 | wols | !fglrx |
| 10:38.15 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method. |
| 10:38.30 | wols | Coke: it has the proprietary drivers in non-free and contrib |
| 10:38.35 | jelly | Coke: i have a desktop with Xpress 200, xserver-xorg 1:7.3+10, fglrx-driver 8.45.4-1 and it works |
| 10:38.36 | nevyn | levander: adc Analog -> Digital Converter |
| 10:38.41 | Coke | wols: aha. |
| 10:38.45 | nevyn | LCD's are inherantly digital things... |
| 10:38.52 | levander | Coke: They get it by running around the internet in circles, trying each and every little thing until they finally give up making it work. |
| 10:38.56 | Coke | So... Why would ATI distribute broken drivers in their official package? |
| 10:39.09 | levander | nevyn: Sooo, yeah, if you use DVI-D, you can bypass ADC chip? |
| 10:39.11 | wols | Coke: if you want to use the drivers from ati.com as you did you are free to do so but then #debian won't support this. cause those drivers break your package management |
| 10:39.21 | wols | Coke: cause their drivers are shit. |
| 10:39.26 | nevyn | levander: if everythign's engineered correctly then yes |
| 10:39.44 | bush | ive never been able to make the fglrx drivers work :| |
| 10:39.46 | levander | Coke: Linux isn't a big enough market for ATI to do anything more than pay lip service to. |
| 10:39.49 | nevyn | but DVI supports both analog and digital connections (YAY) |
| 10:40.03 | Coke | !fglrx one-liner |
| 10:40.03 | dpkg | methinks fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 10:40.04 | levander | Coke: Not big enough being their opinion of course. |
| 10:40.10 | jelly | Coke: fwiw, your xorg is older even than current stable. current testing has 7.2 (apt-get update; apt-cache policy xserver-xorg) |
| 10:40.24 | Knight_Lord | jelly thanks for the tip, it worked wonders |
| 10:40.36 | Coke | wols: I guess there's not an easy way to get rid of the already installed fglrx? |
| 10:40.41 | levander | nevyn: I'll do some google searches later. I don't overclock ahrdware because I don't need any more power. But, overlcocking my display.... Now this sounds worthwhile. |
| 10:40.43 | jelly | Knight_Lord: I half expected your hardware to hang at boot :-) |
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| 10:41.16 | Knight_Lord | jelly I'm still puzzled by what could have happened though, but it spared me a half a mile run to the server room |
| 10:41.47 | wols | Coke: ask ati. not us |
| 10:41.57 | levander | Coke: I'd help more, in another channel for you if I could, but what you're asking really isn't an easy answer. I'd really look for a good web message board where you could maybe post about your problem if you want to put the effort into getting it working. |
| 10:42.14 | wols | levander: you can't |
| 10:42.21 | levander | Coke: Those drivers have a lot of problems. |
| 10:42.27 | Coke | OK, nevermind fglrx, the Xorg radeon drivers suposedly have hardware 3D support, yet glxgears isn't hardware accelerated, what's that about? |
| 10:42.31 | levander | wols: That's what I just said. |
| 10:42.49 | wols | no you said it's worthwile :) |
| 10:42.52 | Coke | wols: sure, the fglrx drivers are somewhere in the module directory. |
| 10:42.53 | nevyn | levander: overclocking generally is a sacrifice of stability for reliability you're not really overclocking it if you just bypass a broken bit to get better performance. |
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| 10:43.31 | nevyn | Coke: what generation card is it? |
| 10:43.33 | levander | nevyn: Yeah, point taken. Is there a name for this little hack? So I can look it up more easily later? |
| 10:43.38 | Coke | nevyn: Xpress 200G |
| 10:43.44 | jelly | Coke: radeon drivers do _not_ support 3d for that card |
| 10:43.46 | bush | overclocking video was always one of those things that seemed more risk than reward |
| 10:43.49 | Coke | nevyn: according to Xorg it does have 3d hw support. |
| 10:43.56 | nevyn | Coke: ok what the FUCK is that? r200? |
| 10:43.57 | Coke | jelly: it's on the list. |
| 10:43.59 | nevyn | r300? |
| 10:44.04 | jelly | Coke: man radeon |
| 10:44.05 | Coke | It's another chipset |
| 10:44.21 | Coke | rs400 |
| 10:44.21 | jelly | nevyn: "rs480", shared-mem crap |
| 10:44.37 | nevyn | OHHHH... the tasty kinda new crack. |
| 10:44.37 | bush | hardware 3D acceleration (experimental on R300 and R400 series |
| 10:44.39 | bush | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.44 | wols | which means fglrx and vesa are the only choices |
| 10:44.51 | nevyn | for now. |
| 10:45.02 | nevyn | jelly: shared mem rocks ;) |
| 10:45.03 | Coke | OK, so, basically, after nvidia has had working drivers for over a decade, ATI is still useless? |
| 10:45.17 | wols | not exactly useless but sub par |
| 10:45.21 | Coke | Bleh! |
| 10:45.29 | Coke | Ok, thanks guys, I'll just do software 3D rendering. |
| 10:45.30 | wols | Coke: and believe it or not, there are worse drivers out there |
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| 10:45.35 | bush | ah that explains it, my 9500 pro is R300 |
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| 10:46.06 | wols | nevyn: trouble is as soon as you actaully want to use it for decent 3D you got a problem :) |
| 10:46.15 | wols | and that is not a driver problem :P |
| 10:46.22 | nevyn | wols: define decent.. it plays UT fine ;) |
| 10:46.30 | wols | nevyn: how old is UT again? |
| 10:46.35 | bush | haha |
| 10:46.36 | jelly | wols: hey... compiz works almost decent on my intel :-) |
| 10:46.36 | nevyn | wols: point. |
| 10:47.05 | jelly | I guess X3100 is enough for compiz or aero |
| 10:47.06 | wols | jelly: yes, the keyword is "almost". and we talking about friggin' compiz. intel is so bad lots of their stuff doesn't even run aero... |
| 10:47.06 | nevyn | ok.. in free software the cardinal rule is? |
| 10:47.20 | nevyn | Use what the Dev's USE.. |
| 10:47.43 | nevyn | what video chipset is in keith packard's computer? |
| 10:47.47 | wols | nevyn: anyone who does serious 3D in linux is probably using nvidia |
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| 10:47.56 | jelly | nevyn: cardinal rule is "lower your expectations" |
| 10:48.01 | nevyn | no. |
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| 10:48.33 | bush | nevyn: nothing is free, whether it be time or money |
| 10:48.53 | petemc | the best things in life are |
| 10:49.01 | jelly | tanstaafl |
| 10:49.08 | nevyn | look.. if you want a toy os to play games go install a wintendo.. have a sacrificial system. |
| 10:49.08 | bush | i know a few crack addicts that would disagree |
| 10:49.39 | petemc | you take a lot of advice from crack addicts? |
| 10:49.49 | wols | bush: crack can be gotten free (after the first hit)? |
| 10:49.52 | bush | hey i didnt say i listened to them |
| 10:50.01 | wols | while this explains a LOT, I can't really believe it |
| 10:50.09 | bush | nevermind. |
| 10:50.23 | jim | just because someone disagrees doesn;t mean their argument holds water |
| 10:51.06 | petemc | depends who they disagree with |
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| 10:51.29 | petemc | you can rely on some people to be wrong all the time |
| 10:52.07 | levander | petemc: Have you ever considered the idea that your view of the world says more about yourself than it does about the world? |
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| 10:52.15 | petemc | no |
| 10:52.21 | jelly | doh. I ask aptitude to install sun-java6-plugin, disagree with its wanting to downgrade to 6-00-2 (from testing), agree to upgrading to 6-04-2 (from unstable), and then it does nothing. |
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| 10:52.37 | levander | K, didn't think you had. |
| 10:52.39 | jim | petemc: ahh :) interesting :) |
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| 10:56.20 | pbn | hello, when will there be new binary kernels for 464953 ? |
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| 10:58.07 | hell-jack | debian:/home/hell-jack/berat# xdriinfo |
| 10:58.08 | hell-jack | libGL is too old. |
| 10:58.14 | hell-jack | what does that mean? |
| 10:58.26 | hell-jack | how can i renew libgl |
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| 10:59.02 | wols | hell-jack: what videocard? |
| 10:59.09 | wols | dpkg -l |grep gl |
| 10:59.09 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep gl |
| 10:59.11 | wols | what libgl? |
| 10:59.18 | hell-jack | nvidia gforce 8400m gs |
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| 11:00.13 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 11:00.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 11:02.07 | hell-jack | wols, |
| 11:02.14 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48984 |
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| 11:03.14 | wols | hell-jack: what videocard? |
| 11:03.27 | wols | ánd more importantly what X driver? |
| 11:03.31 | hell-jack | and say that nvidia gforce 8400 m gs |
| 11:03.51 | SQLDb | hell-jack: are you using the nvidia drivers, nv, or, vesa? |
| 11:03.58 | wols | then your mesa libgl is utterly wrong |
| 11:03.59 | hell-jack | nvidia |
| 11:04.01 | wols | you need nvidia drivers |
| 11:04.17 | wols | hell-jack: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 11:05.38 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/48985 |
| 11:06.15 | SQLDb | hell-jack: IIRC, those are the most recent, no? |
| 11:06.42 | wols | uninstall mesa stuff and reinstall nvidia drivers |
| 11:06.47 | wols | the glx package mainly |
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| 11:06.59 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48986 |
| 11:07.02 | hell-jack | my xorg |
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| 11:07.21 | hell-jack | how can i remove mesa stuff |
| 11:07.30 | Yancho | I have a problem with my laptop.. it seems like the network protocol stopped working.. not even ifconfig is working : giving Command not found |
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| 11:08.08 | wols | Yancho: windows has no ifconfig. never did. try ipconfig |
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| 11:08.31 | hell-jack | wols, sorry i am begnner in debian how can i remove mesa stuff |
| 11:08.39 | wols | Yancho: do you have a network connection? and in the properties there do you have tcp/ip enabled |
| 11:08.47 | wols | oops. wrong channel |
| 11:08.51 | wols | Yancho: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:08.54 | SQLDb | lol |
| 11:08.54 | hell-jack | :D |
| 11:09.01 | Yancho | wols its debian os :) |
| 11:09.10 | wols | hell-jack: like you remove any package. apt-get remove and/or dpkg -r |
| 11:09.17 | wols | Yancho: then use /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:09.27 | Yancho | a ok checking :) |
| 11:09.28 | wols | if you don't have that you should better reinstall |
| 11:09.28 | SQLDb | Yancho: stupid question, but, are you root? Can you access it directly? (i.e. /sbin/ifconfig ) |
| 11:09.36 | hell-jack | oki |
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| 11:09.41 | hell-jack | by the way |
| 11:09.45 | wols | SQLDb: it's not a stupid question |
| 11:09.47 | hell-jack | my nvidia works perfectly |
| 11:09.55 | Yancho | SQLDb i was trying without sudo .. just from my username |
| 11:09.56 | hell-jack | are you sure. it is wrong driver |
| 11:09.58 | wols | hell-jack: glxinfo does work? |
| 11:10.08 | hell-jack | yes |
| 11:10.19 | wols | hell-jack: I am pretty sur mesa is wrong for you that much I know |
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| 11:10.32 | wols | nvidia-glx you have installed is the right one. even when it's from sid |
| 11:11.09 | wols | SQLDb: that you think it is a stupid question however is stupid :P |
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| 11:11.35 | Yancho | oki that got it :) wasnt using sudo |
| 11:11.43 | zamolxes | I have hot-removed a sata disk , and when I put it back in it was detected as sdh instead of sdc . How can I change it back to sdc? |
| 11:11.46 | SQLDb | Yancho: heh, it happens :) |
| 11:11.57 | Yancho | hmm it must be the cable then .. since from up here .. different cable its working |
| 11:12.02 | Yancho | checking the cable than .. thanks |
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| 11:12.08 | wols | zamolxes: are you sure the driver and your rest hardware supports hotplugging. very few if any do |
| 11:12.31 | wols | Yancho: check your dmesg if the link is up for it |
| 11:12.52 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/48987 |
| 11:12.54 | SQLDb | Yancho: you may try ifdown <interface> followed by ifup <interface> |
| 11:13.00 | hell-jack | this is output of glxinfo |
| 11:13.34 | wols | hell-jack: looks fine |
| 11:13.58 | zamolxes | wols: well, it should. |
| 11:14.29 | jim | hell-jack: so yeah, your dri is working |
| 11:14.36 | jelly | zamolxes: basically you can't. use labels or uuids to access the filesystems/partitions therein |
| 11:14.37 | wols | the world should be a better place too. unfortunately it's not |
| 11:14.45 | hell-jack | but |
| 11:14.52 | hell-jack | driver is wrong ? |
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| 11:15.02 | jim | I should have $200k/m income :) |
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| 11:15.16 | jim | hell-jack: glxgears workin? |
| 11:15.26 | hell-jack | check it |
| 11:15.27 | hell-jack | hm |
| 11:15.36 | hell-jack | yes |
| 11:15.43 | zamolxes | jelly: if I reboot the machine will it see it as sdc, or sdh? where can I read more about this? |
| 11:15.50 | hell-jack | it is working |
| 11:15.51 | wols | rage: sdc |
| 11:15.53 | jim | looks good too? |
| 11:15.57 | wols | zamolxes: ^^ |
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| 11:16.25 | hell-jack | jim, debian:/home/hell-jack/berat# xdriinfo |
| 11:16.25 | hell-jack | libGL is too old. |
| 11:16.25 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:16.37 | SQLDb | hell-jack: not sure there's a problem then :P |
| 11:16.44 | zamolxes | thanks. |
| 11:16.49 | hell-jack | what is problem :d |
| 11:17.02 | hell-jack | i have installed 3 d accelerator |
| 11:17.12 | hell-jack | i try to execute this from menu |
| 11:17.15 | wols | hell-jack: why do you run xdriinfo in the first place? |
| 11:17.26 | hell-jack | says xdriinfo returned non-zero exit code |
| 11:17.36 | hell-jack | because |
| 11:17.36 | wols | IIRC nvidia drivers don't use DRI |
| 11:17.42 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 11:17.46 | wols | because WHAT? |
| 11:17.47 | SQLDb | wols: say what? |
| 11:18.04 | hell-jack | i have installed 3d accelerator from gnome-app-install |
| 11:18.18 | hell-jack | and i try to execute 3d acceleratıor from menu |
| 11:18.20 | wols | hell-jack: what package exactly did you install? |
| 11:18.39 | hell-jack | it doesnt open and said xdriinfo returned non-zero exit |
| 11:18.41 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 11:18.45 | hell-jack | just a second |
| 11:18.58 | wols | what is this "3d accelerator from gnome-app-install"? is it software from a debian mirror? |
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| 11:19.07 | hell-jack | yes |
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| 11:19.08 | jelly | zamolxes: you'll probably see it as sdc. linux manages sd* devices dynamically, the order depends on the order of drivers loading |
| 11:19.21 | SQLDb | hell-jack: I get the same error, executing xdriinfo, and, I'm using the drivers from NVIDIA, not the debian version. I wouldn't worry about it. |
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| 11:19.29 | xaviercardil | hello |
| 11:20.13 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 11:20.15 | xaviercardil | could somebody please point me ro an up to date document of how to do a USB install ? I'm getting crazy with outdated stuff arround and I need to do it fast. . . thanks |
| 11:20.19 | hell-jack | just i wonder |
| 11:20.32 | wols | !ig |
| 11:20.32 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:20.42 | hell-jack | what is the package xserver-xorg-video-rendittion |
| 11:20.53 | hell-jack | this package install my system newly |
| 11:20.57 | xaviercardil | dpkg you mean that document works ? |
| 11:20.57 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 11:20.57 | wols | hell-jack: a driver for a videocard you don't have |
| 11:20.59 | hell-jack | for 3d accelerator |
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| 11:21.24 | hell-jack | when i try to remove this package |
| 11:21.33 | hell-jack | lots of package remove automaqtically |
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| 11:21.45 | hell-jack | interesti |
| 11:22.29 | SQLDb | hell-jack: not sure I'd do that then :P |
| 11:23.40 | berzerka | i want to install _only_ enigmail from unstable. reading man apt_preferences, i conclude the priority of the installed version (from testing) should be 100. now what would be the cleanest way to do this? add "Package: enigmail \n Pin: release a=unstable \n Pin-Priority: 99" to /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 11:23.53 | wols | !tell berzerka about simple sid backport |
| 11:23.56 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48988 |
| 11:23.56 | Yancho | wols / SQLDb oki fixed .. was a cable in between not plugged well |
| 11:24.05 | wols | berzerka: this is the ONLY way you can do this |
| 11:24.08 | SQLDb | Yancho: happens to the best of us :) |
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| 11:24.24 | Yancho | thanks both |
| 11:24.31 | SQLDb | np:) |
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| 11:24.50 | berzerka | wols: because if i take the package from unstable, i will get all those dependencies from unstable too? |
| 11:25.05 | wols | berzerka: if you take a binary from unstable: yes |
| 11:25.34 | berzerka | wols: understand. thank you! |
| 11:25.39 | jim | berzerka: which you probably didn't intend :) |
| 11:26.01 | xaviercardil | where can I download the real boot.img.gz that contains everything to boot up incluuding the kernel and the rest of the stuff for booting with USB =? |
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| 11:26.41 | berzerka | jim: no thats right. i thought enigmail might have few enough deps to be satisfied with my testing. but the backport is of course cleaner. |
| 11:26.44 | jim | xaviercardil: for what purpose? to istall? |
| 11:26.52 | xaviercardil | jim yes |
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| 11:27.08 | jim | you could try the netinst cd |
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| 11:27.23 | wols | berzerka: generally such a backport is easy to do if it hasn't been already backported |
| 11:27.41 | xaviercardil | jim I don't have the cd SATA drivers |
| 11:27.48 | jim | and even if it has, doesn't mean it's not easy |
| 11:27.50 | xaviercardil | jim It will not work |
| 11:27.55 | wols | !tell xaviercardil about kmuto |
| 11:28.07 | jim | so the cd will not boot? |
| 11:28.08 | wols | xaviercardil: that will work (usually) |
| 11:28.24 | berzerka | !backports |
| 11:28.25 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 11:28.42 | jim | !kmuto |
| 11:28.43 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:29.38 | xaviercardil | wols that does not work when you want a server on production, I had problems to download the kernel headers after installation |
| 11:30.08 | jim | xaviercardil: your requirements are increasingly limiting |
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| 11:30.48 | wols | !tell xaviercardil about backports |
| 11:30.54 | wols | xaviercardil: and that will work. including headers |
| 11:30.55 | xaviercardil | jim so what ? that will not work for you either, if you need your kernel headers and source you will be fucked up with that alternative japan distros |
| 11:31.14 | wols | xaviercardil: kmuto is enough to install, backports os good enough for running it day to day. usually |
| 11:31.27 | xaviercardil | wols where are the backports |
| 11:31.38 | wols | read what dpkg just told you |
| 11:31.49 | jim | xaviercardil: perhaps your first step is to get an operating system of any kind on the machine |
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| 11:32.27 | jim | perhaps your first step is not to push help away... (you prepared to pay my rate?) |
| 11:32.53 | xaviercardil | jim you don't seem to be prepared to offer pro help |
| 11:33.32 | jim | you'll never know unless you try... I'm no longer willing to deal with you for free anyway |
| 11:33.51 | xaviercardil | you are here because you are working for free for your distro |
| 11:34.03 | jim | no |
| 11:34.08 | jim | not a chance in hell |
| 11:34.30 | liable | bah, still no new fixed kernel in sid |
| 11:34.47 | jim | liable: it's a one-line patch! |
| 11:35.12 | wols | jim: we ae lazy we don't compile. do we look like gentoo users? |
| 11:35.28 | liable | jim: the box in question is an etch box, and i'd rather not compile a kernel for it if i can get away with it |
| 11:35.32 | wols | liable: we are very very spoiled |
| 11:35.40 | jim | speak for yourself... -I- compile! |
| 11:35.47 | wols | if it were an etch box you already had an update :P |
| 11:35.52 | liable | i am more than happy to compile on my sid box |
| 11:36.04 | wols | jim: keep up that crazy talk and we ostracize you! |
| 11:36.07 | jim | and unfortunately I screwed myself out of a working nvidia driver... I suppose I can wait |
| 11:36.13 | liable | wols: erm, same issue as you, new hardware, old release.. |
| 11:36.25 | rld_rodrigo | To install debian testing I need to download all the cds the first or only enough? |
| 11:36.26 | wols | liable: I run sid in the first place :P |
| 11:36.44 | liable | you suck |
| 11:36.51 | wols | tell me about it |
| 11:36.55 | hoodlum_ | rld_rodrigo jsut net inst |
| 11:36.59 | hoodlum_ | just* |
| 11:37.07 | hoodlum_ | and dl packages from testing mirrors n shizzle |
| 11:37.12 | jim | I don't run sid in the Nth place, for any N :) |
| 11:38.34 | jim | at least not today |
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| 11:40.40 | rld_rodrigo | hoodlum_ tank's |
| 11:41.08 | liable | is really one of the things that sucks badly about debian. locked to old kernels, thus hardware. if you upgrade kernel, your own your own. phooee |
| 11:41.30 | jim | it looks like I have 64b source in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel |
| 11:41.47 | liable | old software i can deal with, being locked to old hardware is shit |
| 11:42.12 | jim | yesterday's hardware isn't too bad |
| 11:42.16 | brep` | Anybody using broadcom4311 wireless network interface? |
| 11:42.34 | wols | !tell brep` about anyome |
| 11:42.38 | jim | !anyone |
| 11:42.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:42.40 | wols | !tell berzerka about bcm43xx |
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| 11:42.54 | wols | !tell brep` about bcm43xx |
| 11:43.36 | liable | i saw an eepc for the first time today, i almost wanted to buy it |
| 11:43.44 | jim | what's that |
| 11:43.59 | wols | jim: google eee pc and you will be enlightened |
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| 11:44.04 | liable | the little cheap laptop that runs linux |
| 11:44.12 | jim | oh ok |
| 11:44.39 | liable | i might actually buy one anyway, i have seen some cool hardware hacks for em. |
| 11:44.47 | hell-jack | quenstion |
| 11:45.01 | jim | aswer |
| 11:45.02 | hell-jack | how can i understand custom kernel or normal kernel |
| 11:45.31 | jim | for -this- channel, I think I can shed some light |
| 11:46.02 | jim | a normal kernel is one that was installed from regular, official debian sources |
| 11:46.05 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 11:46.06 | theatro | hell-jack, you mean how you can tell them apart? |
| 11:46.18 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48994 |
| 11:46.19 | jim | custom kernel is one you build from scratch yourself |
| 11:46.22 | hell-jack | look at that |
| 11:46.33 | hell-jack | hmm this is normal kernel |
| 11:46.34 | hell-jack | .D |
| 11:46.56 | hell-jack | thiere is no nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz in /usr/src |
| 11:47.05 | Eznora | hello all |
| 11:47.08 | Eznora | i m esra |
| 11:47.54 | liable | hello esra |
| 11:47.58 | hell-jack | i installed nvidia-kernel-source |
| 11:48.05 | wols | hell-jack: why would you need said source? |
| 11:48.11 | hell-jack | what is the point |
| 11:48.16 | wols | hell-jack: dpkg -L |
| 11:48.25 | hell-jack | actually i dont know |
| 11:48.29 | wols | and you will know where the source went |
| 11:48.32 | theatro | hell-jack, do you have a directory /usr/src/linux-headers-**** ? |
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| 11:49.06 | hell-jack | yes |
| 11:49.10 | hell-jack | theatro, |
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| 11:50.02 | theatro | and if you do a manual compile of the nvidia driver it tells you it cant? |
| 11:50.08 | hell-jack | theatro, yes i have this directory |
| 11:50.40 | hell-jack | i cannot compile manually |
| 11:50.55 | hell-jack | because i dont have nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 11:51.16 | jim | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 11:51.22 | brep` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.27 | hell-jack | i have installed |
| 11:51.33 | hell-jack | already |
| 11:51.34 | theatro | or get the .run file from nvidia site |
| 11:51.38 | jim | so look in /usr/src |
| 11:51.56 | brep` | I'm using bcm43xx wireless card with ndiswrapper |
| 11:52.00 | hell-jack | no nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz file in /usr/src |
| 11:52.07 | hell-jack | jim, |
| 11:52.28 | jim | then you don't have that package installed |
| 11:52.37 | hell-jack | theatro, .driver on nvidiaa web site is not good |
| 11:53.09 | brep` | I have to refresh several times to make icewealsel display a single page. |
| 11:53.22 | brep` | any idea about the problem? |
| 11:53.25 | hell-jack | jim, |
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| 11:53.29 | hell-jack | nvidia-kernel-source is already the newest version. |
| 11:53.41 | jim | then you removed the tarball |
| 11:53.49 | jim | remove the package and reinstall it |
| 11:54.01 | theatro | brep`, show us output of route -n in a pastebin site |
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| 11:54.12 | jim | apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 11:54.16 | jim | or do that :) |
| 11:54.20 | hell-jack | which tarball |
| 11:54.26 | hell-jack | oki |
| 11:54.41 | theatro | nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 11:54.55 | theatro | ok |
| 11:55.12 | hell-jack | no tar.gz |
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| 11:56.27 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/48995 |
| 11:56.58 | wols | hell-jack: dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-source |
| 11:57.03 | wols | as I told you before |
| 11:57.05 | hell-jack | oki |
| 11:57.05 | DarenM | hell-jack> you may want to check this out with help for installing nvidia drivers. |
| 11:57.09 | DarenM | hell-jack> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html |
| 11:57.09 | hell-jack | sorry |
| 11:57.19 | jim | heh, you have the .bz2 version :) |
| 11:57.20 | wols | !tell DarenM about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:57.25 | theatro | hell-jack, hmmm what is this? nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 11:57.40 | wols | theatro: it's his nvidia source. but don't tell him |
| 11:57.44 | jim | it's definitely not a .tar.gz!! |
| 11:57.53 | jim | he's right about that |
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| 11:58.25 | Eznora | jim whats up |
| 11:58.32 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/48997 |
| 11:58.38 | _Elros_ | hello...can someone help me with an error in syslog during shutdown? main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down! this regards gdm...i'm using lenny and it is repeated thousand times |
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| 11:58.47 | brep | result of "route -n": http://paste.debian.net/48996 |
| 11:58.48 | jim | Eznora: I am... and it's 4 am |
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| 11:58.59 | Eznora | what |
| 11:59.01 | wols | jim: is this guy for real? |
| 11:59.28 | jim | I'm not the best judge of that :) |
| 11:59.30 | hell-jack | jim, |
| 11:59.52 | wols | brep: is eth0 using dhcp? |
| 12:00.00 | hell-jack | nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 12:00.06 | scum | can anybody help with samba? |
| 12:00.16 | hell-jack | it is nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:00.18 | hell-jack | * |
| 12:00.38 | jim | brb |
| 12:00.51 | theatro | brep, eth0 or eth2 is the wifi ? |
| 12:01.00 | brep | wols: yes, eth0 using dhcp, but it doen't connected with a wire. |
| 12:01.09 | brep | eth2 is wifi |
| 12:01.18 | jim | oh btw, what's the latest nvidia driver that can be used with etch kernels (as well as etch custom kernels)? |
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| 12:01.37 | Eznora | brep what up |
| 12:01.37 | wols | brep: it doesn't connect at all |
| 12:02.01 | wols | scum: only if you can ask a sensible question about it |
| 12:02.02 | jim | compiz wants later version, I want to see what compiz is all about |
| 12:02.16 | wols | jim: 169.x |
| 12:02.19 | brep | Eznora: iceweasel always complain "connection reset" |
| 12:02.36 | wols | brep: for starters have only one default gateway |
| 12:02.39 | jim | hmm, really? where can I get the backported source? |
| 12:02.44 | scum | wols: the command "smbclient //DEBIAN/accounts -U samba |
| 12:02.44 | scum | " |
| 12:02.46 | Eznora | what brep |
| 12:02.51 | jim | that would be a backport right? |
| 12:03.09 | scum | shows err:tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 12:03.32 | wols | jim: yes. if you want to do compiz with nvidia drivers from etch, you can't you need at least 9x.xx drivers for it |
| 12:03.53 | jim | right, and those aren't backported? |
| 12:04.23 | jim | so the 169.* won't work huh? |
| 12:04.25 | wols | scum: a) samba is not really a valid username usually b) what is the IP of your debian box? |
| 12:04.37 | wols | jim: they will work |
| 12:04.42 | wols | jim: as I told you |
| 12:04.44 | brep | result of "ifconfig -a": http://paste.debian.net/48999 |
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| 12:05.26 | scum | wols: it has local ip 192.168.0.X |
| 12:05.27 | jim | ok... so do I need backported source so it works with my toolchain in etch? |
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| 12:05.33 | wols | brep: wtf do you have a MTU of 576?what is in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:05.51 | wols | scum: I want to know what this "DEBIAN" machine has for an IP exactly |
| 12:05.58 | wols | scum: there are no "x" in IPs |
| 12:06.11 | brep | result of "iwconfig": http://paste.debian.net/49000 |
| 12:06.12 | scum | 192.168.0.13 |
| 12:06.18 | _Elros_ | nobody can help me with that error in syslog? |
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| 12:06.40 | wols | scum: smcblient -L //192.168.0.13 -U <existing username on said samba server) |
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| 12:07.24 | wols | ekix: does it happen when you simply run /etc/init.d/gdm stop too? |
| 12:07.26 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/49001 |
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| 12:07.43 | hell-jack | how can i fxi this problem |
| 12:07.50 | brep | `cat /etc/network/interfaces': http://paste.debian.net/49003 |
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| 12:08.35 | wols | hell-jack: FULL command and ALL it'S output. also: dpkg -l |grep linux-heade |
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| 12:08.55 | hell-jack | header |
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| 12:09.23 | wols | brep: for testing, shut down the wlan for a sec |
| 12:09.31 | scum | wols: http://pastebin.ca/901092 |
| 12:09.57 | brep | wols: ifdown eth2? |
| 12:10.08 | wols | scum: so it works. "DEBIAN" simply doesn't exists. and imho neither does the user samba unless your explicitly created it |
| 12:10.13 | wols | brep: yes |
| 12:10.22 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49004 |
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| 12:10.46 | wols | hell-jack: why do you run make xconfig? |
| 12:11.01 | hell-jack | tutorial said that |
| 12:11.07 | wols | which tutorial? |
| 12:11.21 | wols | !tell hell-jack about nvidia_post_etch |
| 12:11.36 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 12:11.40 | hell-jack | just a minue |
| 12:11.41 | wols | this is a tutorual. does it say "make xconfig" anywhere? |
| 12:12.02 | hell-jack | nvidia graphic drivers debian wiki |
| 12:12.13 | scum | wols: how can I enable that? what parametr should I insert in smb.conf? |
| 12:12.16 | jim | brb |
| 12:12.16 | hell-jack | its tutorial |
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| 12:12.41 | brep | wols: `sudo ifdown eth2': http://paste.debian.net/49005 |
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| 12:13.01 | wols | hell-jack: it is outdated and cannot work as you can clearly see from the tar.gz mentioned |
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| 12:13.20 | hell-jack | hmm |
| 12:13.21 | hell-jack | ok |
| 12:13.22 | jim | brb again |
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| 12:13.24 | wols | brep: then where do your routes for it come from? |
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| 12:15.26 | scum | wols: is that "netbios name = Debian"? |
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| 12:15.46 | brep | wols: every time I boot the system, I use these script to access internet: http://paste.debian.net/49006 |
| 12:15.46 | wols | scum: no |
| 12:15.59 | wols | scum: avoid netbios always |
| 12:16.10 | scum | what? |
| 12:16.33 | blackest | does anyone know if there is an irc channel for sane? |
| 12:16.34 | wols | brep: you don't. since your eth2 doesn't get an ip you can't access the internet with it |
| 12:16.42 | wols | !sane |
| 12:16.42 | dpkg | i heard sane is Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net |
| 12:16.55 | scum | ok...but in smb.conf what it would looks like? |
| 12:17.06 | blackest | cool maybe there i wi find some answers :) |
| 12:17.47 | S4nD3r | how to install nvidia driver in lenny ? |
| 12:17.53 | S4nD3r | I will ask to dpkg |
| 12:18.19 | jim | ok, progress... I determined the driver source that was left over in the modules dir was for the 64b nvidia (this used to be an amd64 setup, I reinstalled almost from scratch to get i386 again) |
| 12:18.35 | wols | !tell S4nD3r about nvidia_post_etch |
| 12:18.38 | brep | wols: but I *can* access internet this way. |
| 12:18.42 | jim | I have now an nvidia driver working in the kernel I built |
| 12:18.45 | wols | !tell S4nD3r about simple sid backport |
| 12:19.03 | wols | brep: if your wlan interface has no IP you canot do shit with it. QED |
| 12:19.55 | brep | wols: I do have a ip, it's 192.168.1.100 |
| 12:20.02 | wols | brep: you possible use eth0:avahi |
| 12:20.16 | wols | brep: said IP you have on the wired network. NOT the WLAN |
| 12:20.18 | wols | different things |
| 12:20.47 | jim | now to try to get a later driver... |
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| 12:21.04 | wols | jim: gz. now load the appropriate nvidia-glx and live happily ever after |
| 12:21.09 | brep | wols: look at the result of "ifconfig -a": http://paste.debian.net/48999 |
| 12:21.22 | jim | I think it is |
| 12:21.27 | jim | glxgears works |
| 12:21.30 | _Elros_ | Feb 12 12:50:10 desktop gdm[3888]: WARNING: main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down! |
| 12:21.30 | _Elros_ | Feb 12 12:50:13 desktop last message repeated 2904 times |
| 12:21.30 | _Elros_ | I get this in syslog every shutdown...if someone can help me let me know...i'm using lenny |
| 12:21.40 | wols | jim: doesn't mean shit. glxinfo |grep direct |
| 12:21.47 | jim | it's a yes |
| 12:21.51 | trebor_dki | hi. ein prozess will sich nicht mittels kill -9 <PID> oder killall -9 <name> killen lassen. was kann ich noch machen um ihn loszuwerden? |
| 12:21.59 | jim | already checked that |
| 12:22.00 | wols | Electric1lf: do you get this with /etc/init.d/gdm stop too. I asked you that before |
| 12:22.02 | trebor_dki | oops. |
| 12:22.15 | wols | !tell trebor_dki about zombie |
| 12:22.15 | scum | wols: when I try to log in login name always returns to "DEBIAN/samba" |
| 12:22.18 | brep | wols: eth0 does not connected with a wire. |
| 12:22.28 | wols | scum: hih? |
| 12:22.35 | wols | scum: pastbein all of it |
| 12:22.44 | _Elros_ | wols: are you talking to me? i'm not electioc1lf |
| 12:22.47 | trebor_dki | wols: how can i kill a zombie? |
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| 12:23.01 | jim | stab it! stab it! |
| 12:23.03 | wols | brep: but eth2 does, and eth0 has NO FUCKING IP |
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| 12:23.23 | wols | trebor_dki: if it is a zombie, by killing its parent |
| 12:23.34 | up_the_irons | hey all |
| 12:23.37 | jim | wols: take some deep breaths... I want you to help me in a minnit :) |
| 12:23.38 | brep | yes, eth0 does'nt have an IP. |
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| 12:23.46 | wols | trifler: if it waits on a I/O operation you cannot kill it at all. but then it's no zobie |
| 12:23.59 | trebor_dki | wols: its parent has pid = 1? |
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| 12:24.21 | DarenM | lol |
| 12:24.22 | wols | brep: you connect to the interweb via eth2 which is your wired connectin which also has the 192.168.1.100 IP |
| 12:24.22 | trebor_dki | ps -AFw -> user 17739 1 0 12960 34700 0 11:35 ? |
| 12:24.24 | DawnLight | anyone know a good way to learn exim from scratch? |
| 12:24.25 | up_the_irons | i've unpacked the source deb for "linux-image-2.6.24-1-686", and I want to build just the package "linux-image-2.6.24-1-686", not all the others listed in debian/control. How do I do this? |
| 12:24.34 | wols | trebor_dki: then you are in trouble :) |
| 12:24.34 | brep | wols: eth0 does not connected with my route. |
| 12:24.38 | scum | wols: http://pastebin.ca/901105 |
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| 12:24.42 | petemc | DawnLight: the documentation |
| 12:24.56 | brep | eth2 is the wifi |
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| 12:25.11 | DawnLight | petemc: the docs are specifications. very hard to learn from |
| 12:25.22 | wols | scum: where does your smb.conf say Debian/samba? where? |
| 12:25.25 | petemc | DawnLight: the default config (not debians) has good comments and is easy to follow |
| 12:25.52 | DawnLight | thanks petemc |
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| 12:25.59 | petemc | DawnLight: basically, the acls decide whether a mail is accepted, the routers decide where it does, the transports get it thete |
| 12:26.00 | up_the_irons | bah, no package builders around.. |
| 12:26.02 | petemc | s/ete/ere/ |
| 12:26.03 | wols | DawnLight: exim.org |
| 12:26.17 | scum | wols: it is in log in window, when I try to log in from windows XP |
| 12:26.23 | wols | !tell up_the_irons about kp mantra |
| 12:26.26 | jim | up_the_irons, debian packaging manual doesn't help? |
| 12:26.49 | wols | scum: we don't support windows. and wha's in there has no relevance for debian |
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| 12:27.06 | _Elros_ | wols: /etc/init.d/gdm stop gives no errors |
| 12:27.17 | up_the_irons | jim: the manual that i've read (completely) is: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 12:27.19 | jim | I just built a kernel package yesterday, and a nvidia driver that's too old |
| 12:27.29 | jim | hmm, ok |
| 12:27.32 | jim | what's the question |
| 12:27.41 | wols | scum: what username password did yous et zp in samba? I alway use security=user and I create smaba users |
| 12:27.42 | up_the_irons | jim: and all I gather is "fakeroot debian/rules binary-<something>" |
| 12:27.50 | up_the_irons | jim: the question is: |
| 12:27.53 | up_the_irons | i've unpacked the source deb for "linux-image-2.6.24-1-686", and I want to build just the package "linux-image-2.6.24-1-686", not all the others listed in debian/control. How do I do this? |
| 12:27.53 | wols | scum: and creating them with smbpasswd |
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| 12:28.26 | wols | up_the_irons: copy the appropriate .config to your kernel source and use the kp-mantra |
| 12:28.28 | jim | up_the_irons: do you have the .config for that particular kernel? |
| 12:28.33 | jim | (look in /boot) |
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| 12:28.57 | scum | wols: ok I'll try to create another one user.. |
| 12:29.09 | wols | scum: what suer did you create? |
| 12:29.20 | wols | scum: and how did you create it |
| 12:29.24 | jim | if it's not in /boot it's definitely in the binary package for that particular kernel |
| 12:29.29 | wols | Electric1lf: then I don't get why it would error on shutdown |
| 12:29.42 | wols | Electric1lf: since all it does is /etc/init.d/gdm stop for gdm |
| 12:29.46 | up_the_irons | jim: i have the config |
| 12:30.06 | up_the_irons | jim: but his is more an excercise for packaging a new kernel |
| 12:30.10 | up_the_irons | jim: *this |
| 12:30.15 | up_the_irons | jim: so i know how to do it |
| 12:30.24 | jim | ok |
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| 12:30.36 | _Elros_ | wols: me too...maybe it isn't related to gdm? |
| 12:30.49 | jim | so do you want -exactly- that kernel (with perhaps some altered source)? |
| 12:30.54 | _Elros_ | wols: what is the main daemon? |
| 12:31.06 | jim | with all the modules, and installs an initrd? |
| 12:31.12 | wols | _Elros_: /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 12:31.25 | wols | jim: kp mantra does it if you have the proper source and .config |
| 12:31.32 | up_the_irons | jim: i did one yesterday for amd64 on ubuntu, and by adding '-B' to dpkg-buildpackage, I got all amd64 binary packages, when I just needed the "-server" image. I'm looking to not go through that again, since I just need 1 kernel for 1 arch |
| 12:31.50 | wols | up_the_irons: I told you |
| 12:32.17 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.33 | S4nD3r | Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to ? |
| 12:32.34 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.58 | scum | wols: is that right? http://pastebin.ca/901111 |
| 12:33.04 | up_the_irons | wols: "copy the appropriate .config to your kernel source", when you say kernel source, do you mean somewhere in the debian source tree for the kernel image, or a plain image i downloaded from kernel.org |
| 12:33.16 | jim | well I do a coupla extra things |
| 12:33.22 | wols | up_the_irons: either. whatever source you want to compile |
| 12:33.28 | jim | do you want to hear my steps? |
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| 12:33.44 | wols | scum: the sources are in contrib or non-free yes |
| 12:33.45 | up_the_irons | jim: me? |
| 12:33.47 | up_the_irons | jim: yes :) |
| 12:33.47 | jim | yes |
| 12:33.48 | _Elros_ | wols: syslog gives that error since the sixth febbrary when this packages went updated: flashplugin-nonfree shared-mime-info googleearth googleearth libgif4 |
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| 12:33.57 | up_the_irons | jim: the more the merrier |
| 12:34.01 | jim | ok, first you should have the source unpacked |
| 12:34.10 | jim | yes? |
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| 12:34.37 | wols | up_the_irons: dio you want a vanilla kernel or do you want a debian patched kernel? |
| 12:34.38 | jim | make sure at this point, the .config is backed up -outside- the kernel source tree |
| 12:34.43 | up_the_irons | jim: i have the tree I got from "apt-get source linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686" |
| 12:35.02 | wols | up_the_irons: and it is patched? |
| 12:35.02 | jim | ok, and you have the .config for that particular version? |
| 12:35.18 | up_the_irons | wols: doesn't matter at this point, i just want to learn the ropes to building a kernel package |
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| 12:35.26 | jim | ok, no problem |
| 12:35.31 | up_the_irons | jim: not at the moment, but i can always make one |
| 12:35.46 | wols | up_the_irons copy a sutiable .config filr into your source tree and make sure it's named .config |
| 12:35.49 | jim | it's just one line so |
| 12:36.01 | jim | well one sec, there is a step before that |
| 12:36.08 | wols | then use the kp-mantra as told before. after ca. half an hour or so you have a .deb you can install |
| 12:36.19 | up_the_irons | wols: that's pretty neat |
| 12:36.20 | jim | before copying the .config, run make mrproper inside the kernel source tree |
| 12:36.28 | wols | up_the_irons: very very neat |
| 12:36.33 | up_the_irons | jim: ok |
| 12:36.44 | jim | then copy the .config |
| 12:36.57 | scum | wols: what sources? I thought it's a problem of incorrect user creation..."Failed to modify password entry for user ftpu" what's wrong there? |
| 12:37.10 | jim | then do the kp mantra and make sure you add --initrd to the make-kpkg invok |
| 12:37.11 | wols | up_the_irons: when you make a kernel you always want two things: kernel-image and kernel-headers. those two you always want to make right away. make-kpkg --targets shows you more |
| 12:37.33 | up_the_irons | wols jim : so what i'm gathering is, if i use the kp-mantra, I don't even need the deb-src package of the kernel image. I can get a plain tarball from kernel.org and apply the mantra. yes? |
| 12:37.35 | wols | up_the_irons: --initrd is needed depending if you want/need one or not |
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| 12:37.44 | wols | up_the_irons: yes |
| 12:37.52 | jim | up_the_irons: yes you can |
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| 12:38.01 | up_the_irons | wols jim : schwwwweeeeeeeeet |
| 12:38.07 | wols | up_the_irons: exactly |
| 12:38.16 | wols | kernel-package is an awesome tool |
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| 12:38.49 | jim | what's really cool is you can organize your kernel packages by simply putting the .debs into dirs named however you want |
| 12:38.56 | scum | wols: what about me? |
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| 12:39.00 | wiedenmann | Is it possible to get the path with all symbolic links expanded? pwd outputs ~/s/data but s is a symlink pointing to /scratch/foo, so I would want to have /scratch/foo/data |
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| 12:39.18 | up_the_irons | jim: cool |
| 12:39.21 | wols | scum: what about you. I asked you questions you still haven't answered as far as I can see |
| 12:39.47 | up_the_irons | jim wols : ok, let me play around, i'll come back with more questions probably; thanks for your help |
| 12:39.48 | S4nD3r | install nvidia in debian, is almost impossible |
| 12:39.52 | S4nD3r | its so difficult |
| 12:39.54 | jim | welcome |
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| 12:40.12 | wols | S4nD3r: it is not. but you are not fit enough to run lenny |
| 12:40.12 | jim | once you get the hang of it, it's easy |
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| 12:40.18 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 12:40.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:40.20 | wols | scum: how do you create users for samba? |
| 12:40.21 | jim | once you get it set up too |
| 12:40.23 | _Elros_ | wols: where can i look for to realize where is the problem in shutdown? |
| 12:40.39 | wols | _Elros_: no clue, sorry |
| 12:40.44 | _Elros_ | :( |
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| 12:41.24 | jim | _Elros_: does it freeze on shutdown? |
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| 12:41.35 | wiedenmann | What is the meaning of chmod +s dir; on a directory? |
| 12:41.46 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/49009 |
| 12:41.58 | _Elros_ | jim: only for some seconds...then it give me a failed message and shutdown |
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| 12:42.20 | S4nD3r | do you know a tutorial who really works to install nvidia driver?? |
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| 12:42.29 | scum | wols: with smbpasswd...But only root account was created succsessfully |
| 12:42.29 | wols | hell-jack: still using the nvidia drivers? |
| 12:42.44 | wols | scum: as root, create the others |
| 12:42.48 | tarzeau | S4nD3r: i do |
| 12:42.56 | hell-jack | i am using nvidia-glx |
| 12:43.00 | freezer | gn8 all |
| 12:43.06 | hell-jack | wols, i apply step you gave |
| 12:43.06 | wols | !tell S4nD3r about nvidia_post_etch |
| 12:43.06 | S4nD3r | please, give me the url |
| 12:43.09 | wols | S4nD3r: that works |
| 12:43.11 | effe[utf] | hi, i ma cloning lenny install. should i clone /dev as well? |
| 12:43.11 | karmatronic | S4nD3r: yes , firefox http://nvidia.com ; download driver ; sh NVIDA....run as root ; have fun (no debian s way though) |
| 12:43.16 | wols | hell-jack: what step? |
| 12:43.18 | hell-jack | with dpkg nvidia post etch |
| 12:43.27 | wols | hell-jack: glxinfo |grep NVI shows what? |
| 12:43.35 | slidesinger | How does one check whether the bug is in the debian package or in the sources? (openoffice.org 2.3.1 on lenny has broken all my spreadsheet formulae) |
| 12:43.39 | S4nD3r | E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 12:44.04 | wols | slidesinger: doesn*'t matter. if the bug is in the debian openoffice package it's a debian bug |
| 12:44.09 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/49010 |
| 12:44.12 | hell-jack | my xorg |
| 12:44.23 | wols | S4nD3r: I told you what you need. there is NO nvidia driver in lenny |
| 12:44.41 | slidesinger | Right, I'll file a bug report. THanks. |
| 12:44.51 | wols | hell-jack: glxinfo |grep NVI shows what? |
| 12:45.05 | DarenM | wiedenmann> man chmod. |
| 12:45.08 | wols | S4nD3r: you need the nvidia-graphics-driver sources |
| 12:45.14 | effe[utf] | i am cloning lenny install. should i clone /dev as well? |
| 12:45.17 | scum | wols: like here? http://pastebin.ca/901111 |
| 12:45.23 | wols | effe[utf]: no |
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| 12:45.35 | effe[utf] | wols, thanks, ok |
| 12:46.46 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49011 |
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| 12:48.03 | scum | wols: I think it's better to type here for me that command....anyway you know more about samba than me;) |
| 12:48.25 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/49012 this is glxinfo |
| 12:48.43 | wols | hell-jack: untill that actually works and shows NVIDIA direct rendering, compiz will not work. when you removed the rendition drivers you uninstalled all your nvidia stuff IIRC. that was, simply stupid to do |
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| 12:49.00 | wols | scum: "smbpasswd ftpu" might be enough. as root |
| 12:49.15 | scum | ok...tnx |
| 12:50.15 | hell-jack | wols, i install that |
| 12:50.26 | hell-jack | xserver-xorg-video-rendition |
| 12:50.38 | wols | hell-jack: and why did you do this |
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| 12:50.48 | wols | hell-jack: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 12:50.53 | up_the_irons | btw, this box has a "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+"; I don't know much about AMD, i usually stick with Intel. I installed the i386 version of etch on it, but now that i think about it, it should take the amd64 version, no? |
| 12:50.53 | hell-jack | i dont know :D i try my chance |
| 12:50.54 | hell-jack | :D |
| 12:51.09 | wols | hell-jack: next time THINK before your act |
| 12:51.10 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: do you want a 64-bit or 32-bit install? |
| 12:51.20 | up_the_irons | \amethyst: 64-bit works for me |
| 12:51.24 | wols | up_the_irons: only if you have a good reason for it |
| 12:51.32 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: if you're planning on using proprietary software like Flash or the Java plugin, 32-bit is probably easier |
| 12:51.35 | wols | up_the_irons: and probably you don't :) |
| 12:51.53 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/49014 |
| 12:51.54 | up_the_irons | \amethyst: nope, it's a server, runs nothing proprietary |
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| 12:52.10 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: Ah, for a server, amd64 might be a good choice |
| 12:52.11 | wols | up_the_irons: then amd64 is OK, but the benefit is not really big |
| 12:52.11 | up_the_irons | wols: i don't necessarily have a good reason ;) |
| 12:52.30 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49014 |
| 12:52.32 | wols | !tell hell-jack about drxx |
| 12:52.36 | up_the_irons | wols: but i usually think if i have a 64 bit proc, i should install the 64 bit version |
| 12:52.38 | wols | hell-jack: this time choose nvidia for a driver |
| 12:52.39 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: but unless you have some benchmarks showing it would be faster for your load, 32-bit debian should be fine |
| 12:52.48 | up_the_irons | \amethyst: ok |
| 12:53.15 | wols | up_the_irons: not really :) if you are unlucky it will be slower than at 32bit: the machine code needs more space on 64bit which can lead to cache thrashing for example :) |
| 12:53.16 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: you can use a 64-bit kernel in 32-bit debian, btw (using the -amd64 kernel flavour) |
| 12:53.21 | hell-jack | when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i cant choose nv or nvidia or something else |
| 12:53.34 | wols | hell-jack: choose nvidia |
| 12:53.48 | hell-jack | i cant choose |
| 12:54.03 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow |
| 12:54.04 | hell-jack | there is no such settings |
| 12:54.06 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: with a 64-bit kernel, you can set up amd64 debian in a chroot or something and take your pick of the two :) |
| 12:54.08 | hell-jack | oki |
| 12:54.27 | up_the_irons | wols: oh, interesting |
| 12:54.50 | up_the_irons | \amethyst: ah ok, neat |
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| 12:55.11 | hell-jack | ther eis no such setting wols |
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| 12:55.32 | wols | hell-jack: what settings are there? |
| 12:55.37 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: mixing amd64 kernel and 32-bit userspace causes problems with some of the proprietary graphics drivers, but it doesn't sound like you'll be using those |
| 12:55.51 | up_the_irons | \amethyst: right, none of those |
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| 12:56.39 | scum | wolf: it says "Failed to modify password entry for user ftpu".....why it cann't create smbpasswd file..in sambas directory?? |
| 12:56.52 | hell-jack | kernel frame bufferkeyboard layout keboard model keyooard variant keyboard options emulate 3 buttons |
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| 12:57.58 | scum | sorry...wols: it says "Failed to modify password entry for user ftpu".....why it cann't create smbpasswd file..in sambas directory?? |
| 12:58.17 | hell-jack | o xcrap |
| 12:58.30 | jim | oxcrap can be thick |
| 12:58.40 | hell-jack | just crap .D |
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| 12:59.01 | hell-jack | jim, i canno choose driver from xserver-xorg |
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| 12:59.30 | hell-jack | i am doning dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but i cannot choose driver |
| 12:59.39 | hell-jack | what can point be |
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| 13:00.13 | wols | hell-jack: now that you have ran dpkg-reconfigure. what is in your xorg.conf. pastebin it |
| 13:01.01 | hell-jack | ok |
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| 13:02.19 | wols | hell-jack: the xorg.conf from before was very incomplete |
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| 13:02.32 | hell-jack | wols http://paste.debian.net/49016 |
| 13:02.40 | jim | wols: ok, trying to build this thing, it's not ported to etch... should I just force the install? |
| 13:02.56 | SparFux | Does anybody use resolvconf package? For me, dns-domain does not work at all in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:03.00 | wols | that is NOT a complete xorg.conf |
| 13:03.09 | wols | jim: build WHAT? |
| 13:03.16 | wols | SparFux: I do |
| 13:03.24 | hell-jack | i dont |
| 13:03.26 | hell-jack | know |
| 13:03.33 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 13:03.36 | wols | SparFux: dns-nameservers 192.168.2.1 |
| 13:03.39 | SparFux | wols: What happens if you spedify dns-domain option for one interface? Is /etc/resolv.conf updated properly? |
| 13:03.40 | hell-jack | i made dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 13:03.51 | wols | abrotman: how do you think such a xorg.conf can happen? |
| 13:03.54 | hell-jack | i make all setting that is offered by xserver-xorg |
| 13:03.56 | SparFux | wols: dns-nameservers works for me, but there is dns-domain documented, too. |
| 13:04.06 | abrotman | wols: PEBCAK |
| 13:04.07 | hell-jack | and my xorg is that |
| 13:04.15 | SparFux | wols: it should add a domain entry in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:04.34 | abrotman | wols: it has no modules .. and no video device |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | oh .. it's using fbdev ? |
| 13:04.57 | wols | SparFux: it does for me |
| 13:05.16 | SparFux | Now that's strange! |
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| 13:05.34 | wols | SparFux: I simply att dns-domainserver and that's it |
| 13:05.36 | SparFux | wols: What'syour version of resolvconf? |
| 13:05.45 | SparFux | domainserver???? |
| 13:05.47 | wols | SparFux: whatever sid had a few months ago :) |
| 13:05.52 | SparFux | I think it is called dns-domain |
| 13:06.05 | wols | SparFux: dns-nameservers 192.168.2.1 |
| 13:06.13 | wols | that's in my interfaces and it works |
| 13:06.25 | SparFux | wols: That works for me, too. But not dns-domain! |
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| 13:07.50 | jim | wols: is there something special I need to do to get the 169.* driver to work under etch build and etch xorg? |
| 13:07.57 | jim | nvidia |
| 13:08.13 | jim | you were saying earlier it's been backported? |
| 13:09.14 | scum | wols: what me to do? smb[asswd cann't create smbpasswd file... |
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| 13:10.46 | jim | what I just now tried... was going to a nearby debian mirror and getting nvidia-graphics-drivers_169.09-1.diff.gz, nvidia-graphics-drivers_169.09-1.dsc and nvidia-graphics-drivers_169.09.orig.tar.gz |
| 13:10.46 | \amethyst | scum: what user are you running it as? |
| 13:10.54 | scum | root |
| 13:11.56 | jim | and did basically the simple sid backport, and got some debian packages out of that |
| 13:12.57 | jim | hmm, the nvidia-kernel-source did install, let's see what I can do with that |
| 13:13.19 | \amethyst | scum: you want to add a user doesn't doesn't already exist? smbpasswd -a username |
| 13:13.33 | wols | jim: no I said you can backport it |
| 13:13.45 | wols | scum: set security=user in your samba |
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| 13:14.04 | jim | oh... well, I dunno :) but I did just now make some progress |
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| 13:14.18 | wols | jim: you got nvidia-graphics-driver (the sources) |
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| 13:14.27 | jim | yeah |
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| 13:14.36 | jim | which built these: |
| 13:14.37 | wols | jim: and ran dpkg-buildpackage on it? now you have 2 .debs, right? |
| 13:14.38 | scum | \amethyst: yep.....raise this exeption// wols: it is already done |
| 13:14.42 | jim | no three |
| 13:14.55 | wols | jim: three is fine too. install them |
| 13:15.14 | wols | scum: samba restarted? |
| 13:15.15 | jim | only the kernel one installed |
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| 13:15.27 | scum | wols: yes |
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| 13:15.31 | wols | jim: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 13:16.01 | wols | scum: then it shoul work. smbpasswd -a <user> or if the user actually exists "smbpasswd user" |
| 13:16.50 | scum | wols: why thiat happens? "Failed to modify password entry for user ftpu". |
| 13:17.18 | scum | when I try "smbpasswd ftpu" |
| 13:17.25 | jim | http://rafb.net/p/jjpTFg56.html (wols) |
| 13:18.05 | \amethyst | scum: because the user isn't already in the smbpasswd file... that's why you need -a |
| 13:18.11 | Akatemik | Ok, it seems that dmesg doesn't show my all the messages I get at boot |
| 13:18.17 | Akatemik | How can I see the rest? |
| 13:18.22 | jim | building the driver itself |
| 13:18.26 | \amethyst | Akatemik: /var/log/kern.log |
| 13:18.35 | wols | jim: you have no nvidia drivers loaded. glx and kernel module must be the EXACT same source |
| 13:18.36 | Akatemik | Without /var where the logs could go (the problem is that the var doesn't mount) |
| 13:18.45 | debian-is-me | What is the open-source eqiuilent of The Rosetta Stone? |
| 13:18.52 | scum | <\amethyst>: the same err |
| 13:18.58 | wols | your nvidia graphics-drivers buildpackage createa a nvidia kernel-source. that is what you need |
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| 13:19.12 | wols | jim: uninstall ALL other 2.6.18 kernel drivers. evreything with 87.xx must GO |
| 13:19.13 | \amethyst | Akatemik: oh, then they probably aren't going anywhere |
| 13:19.24 | jim | ok |
| 13:19.30 | wols | debian-is-me: what is the "The Rosetta Stone"? |
| 13:19.32 | Akatemik | Any way to force the kernel to slow down, or something? |
| 13:19.45 | Akatemik | I just can't get it why my raids don't assemble with the new kernel |
| 13:19.47 | wols | Akatemik: nowhere |
| 13:20.00 | debian-is-me | wols: Learn language software, it is teaching me spanish! |
| 13:20.04 | Akatemik | I can give the same exact command to initialize the arrays when I get to shell and it works |
| 13:20.20 | Akatemik | But for some reason init doesn't do it |
| 13:20.29 | wols | debian-is-me: there is none such thing that I'm aware of in debian |
| 13:20.55 | debian-is-me | Doh |
| 13:20.57 | SparFux | piece of shit. dns-domain only adds a search entry in /etc/resolv.conf and no domain entry! |
| 13:20.58 | wols | Akatemik: mount the raid then reconfigure your kernel |
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| 13:21.07 | debian-is-me | Then I have to boot up wine, to learn stuff. |
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| 13:21.23 | wols | debian-is-me: you don't boot wine, you run it. WINE is no OS |
| 13:21.56 | debian-is-me | wols: I have to type an command, or click an file that forces me to be infront of the computer! |
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| 13:22.03 | wols | jim: when you have the nvidia-kernel-source deb installed, then you can follow the nvidia post_etch_factoid |
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| 13:22.10 | wols | !tell jim about nvidia_post-etch |
| 13:22.20 | Akatemik | wols: How? |
| 13:22.21 | wols | jim: you create the actual driver with m-a |
| 13:22.26 | jim | oh ok |
| 13:22.27 | Akatemik | I don't know what could be wrong with it |
| 13:22.32 | wols | Akatemik: dpkg-reconfigure your kernel deb |
| 13:22.45 | wols | you need to create a new initrd |
| 13:22.51 | jim | I actually built it with make-kpkg |
| 13:22.55 | _Elros_ | i have purged and reinstalled gdm...and by now i haven't that errors at shutdown |
| 13:22.56 | wols | Akatemik: you DO have a debian kernel, right? |
| 13:22.59 | jim | should I do it again? |
| 13:23.05 | wols | jim: built what? |
| 13:23.11 | Akatemik | wols: Yes. It should be noted also that some arrays assemble just fine |
| 13:23.16 | Akatemik | Just not usr and var |
| 13:23.18 | jim | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18 |
| 13:23.39 | jim | (2.6.18 being my present uname -r) |
| 13:23.54 | wols | jim: you didn't |
| 13:24.05 | wols | cause there is no single 169 nvidia driver module installed |
| 13:24.06 | \amethyst | jim: uname -r is just 2.6.18? are you not running a debian kernel? |
| 13:24.24 | jim | \amethyst: true |
| 13:24.32 | debian-is-me | Can I install an gentoo kernel on debian? |
| 13:24.45 | Akatemik | wols: I don't understand how recreating the initrd would fix this, please elaborate |
| 13:24.48 | wols | nvidia kernel-source 169 is installed but not the binary made from it, which is always made by m-a |
| 13:25.15 | wols | alturiak: by default the remaking of initrd would look at what raids are neeeded and make sure they are all set up in the initrd |
| 13:25.15 | up_the_irons | does anyone know if grub has an option like lilo had, where you can tell it to boot a new kernel, just once, and upon next reboot it goes back to the original kernel ? |
| 13:25.32 | SparFux | So, why does resolvconf package's "dns-domain" add a search entry in /etc/resolv.conf and no domain entry as one would expect? |
| 13:25.34 | _Elros_ | bye bye to all...if i find what is the problem i'll file a bug report (if it's a bug) |
| 13:25.35 | wols | Akatemik: why your /usr and /var doesn't work but others do, I don't have a clue however. sorry |
| 13:25.49 | Akatemik | wols: :/ Tricky problem |
| 13:25.55 | \amethyst | up_the_irons: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html |
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| 13:25.56 | wols | up_the_irons: fallbacl |
| 13:26.03 | wols | up_the_irons: fallback. read the grub docs |
| 13:26.09 | Noboru | good evening,guys :) |
| 13:26.13 | up_the_irons | \amethyst wols : ok thanks |
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| 13:26.35 | Noboru | my clients are very satisfied with their programs running on my debian linux server :) |
| 13:27.09 | \amethyst | Noboru: I sense a "but..." coming on :) |
| 13:27.09 | wols | Noboru: so us going insane had at least one positive outcome |
| 13:27.23 | Noboru | they were complaining about slow performance of their programs run on windows 2003,all are php programs plus mysql applications |
| 13:27.43 | Noboru | yeah,seems php+mysq on windows is not good idea. |
| 13:27.49 | wols | never was |
| 13:27.50 | Noboru | mysql. |
| 13:27.56 | wols | not even with apache as webserver |
| 13:28.18 | Noboru | cool |
| 13:28.30 | Noboru | \amethyst, :) by far everything seems okay. |
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| 13:28.51 | clusty | hey |
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| 13:28.59 | clusty | i am having some trouble with fail2ban |
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| 13:29.07 | \amethyst | Noboru: good idea... whose idea was it to use Windows for PHP + mysql, anyway? :) |
| 13:29.12 | clusty | it disregards the bantime i am giving it |
| 13:29.17 | \amethyst | Noboru: err s/good idea/good to hear/ |
| 13:29.20 | jim | ok now I need a nvidia-kernel-common |
| 13:29.26 | clusty | regardless of what i set in jail.conf it always sets 600 |
| 13:29.31 | balibalo | hello |
| 13:29.39 | iateadonut | two questions: 1) can someone tell me the uid and gid of mysql in debian. 2) can someone tell me how can i find all files owned by a uid and gid? |
| 13:29.42 | liable | there was a bug for fail2ban not so long ago |
| 13:30.09 | Noboru | \amethyst, some people who are familiar with windows server,they open windows server and invite clients. |
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| 13:31.01 | wols | iateadonut: check your /etc/passwd (getent is the "proper way) and read man find |
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| 13:31.36 | mass | hello |
| 13:31.36 | iateadonut | i've already changed the uid to something else. |
| 13:31.43 | iateadonut | so, i need to know the original one. |
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| 13:31.57 | iateadonut | so, if you could check on your computer, i'd appreciate it. |
| 13:32.09 | wols | iateadonut: 150:106 here but afaik it's pretty much random |
| 13:32.13 | liable | meh, wishing spamassasin would learn quicker.. i disabled postgrey to get a lot of spam to teach it, but it seems a slow learner |
| 13:32.15 | wols | just that it's called "mysql" |
| 13:32.17 | iateadonut | yes, it is. |
| 13:32.19 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 13:32.30 | iateadonut | man. |
| 13:32.31 | wols | iateadonut: 105:106 rather |
| 13:32.33 | iateadonut | that's tough. |
| 13:32.46 | wols | basically debian starts counting from 101 upwards I think depending what you install when |
| 13:32.51 | \amethyst | iateadonut: it's dynamically allocated |
| 13:32.59 | iateadonut | i already changed all the files i knew of, and i changed the uid to match my old system, because i am configuring for an old partition. |
| 13:33.00 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 13:33.03 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 13:33.08 | mass | Is it worth to put 2 gb of ram to desktop computer controll by debian? |
| 13:33.11 | \amethyst | iateadonut: for example, it's 105:106 for wols, 110:114 for me |
| 13:33.27 | wols | mass: depends what you do with your debian |
| 13:33.29 | \amethyst | iateadonut: you might be able to do find directory -nouser |
| 13:33.43 | wols | mass: if you are a java developer for example: definitely :) |
| 13:33.50 | scum | wols: I have no Ideas of what it can be....just cannt create smbpassw |
| 13:33.59 | wols | if you use it for browsing the web only: not really |
| 13:34.02 | \amethyst | iateadonut: that will show you all files/dirs under 'directory' where the owning UID doesn't appear in /etc/passwd |
| 13:34.22 | iateadonut | running it now. |
| 13:34.58 | iateadonut | how do i exclude the directories under /mnt/ ? |
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| 13:35.13 | \amethyst | iateadonut: do you want to exclude all filesystems other than root? |
| 13:35.24 | wols | scum: as root ls -al /var/run/samba/ |
| 13:35.27 | \amethyst | iateadonut: if so find / -xdev -nouser |
| 13:36.19 | wols | scum: sorry. /var/lib/samba/ rather |
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| 13:37.21 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 13:37.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:37.30 | hell-jack | i fix my xorg wols |
| 13:37.42 | \amethyst | iateadonut: if you want to traverse different filesystems but just skip /mnt specifically, find / -path /mnt -prune -o -print |
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| 13:37.56 | scum | wols: http://pastebin.ca/901158 |
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| 13:38.40 | wols | scum: the user/pass should be in passdb.tdb |
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| 13:38.59 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49020 |
| 13:39.02 | hell-jack | is it ok |
| 13:39.34 | wols | hell-jack: looks a LOT better |
| 13:39.43 | wols | hell-jack: now try glxinfo :) |
| 13:40.03 | hell-jack | okey |
| 13:40.38 | wam | Is dovecot just hip at the moment or is it the auth against mysql which makes it more loved than courier currently? |
| 13:41.07 | hell-jack | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49021 |
| 13:41.57 | hell-jack | is it ok |
| 13:42.05 | wols | wam: courier authed against mysql before dovecot |
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| 13:42.20 | wam | wols: wasn't that with authdaemon only? |
| 13:42.24 | wols | hell-jack: yes. not compiz should work |
| 13:42.27 | wam | wols: You know, I've been away for a while ;) |
| 13:42.38 | hell-jack | compisz not work |
| 13:43.03 | hell-jack | i wonna compiz work |
| 13:43.06 | wols | wam: could be. I use neither. I like cyrus. it's faster for me |
| 13:43.08 | up_the_irons | ok, I did exactly this: "make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image", and I got a "linux-image-2.6.24.2-xen02-i386_20080211_i386.deb". Very cool, but I don't see an initrd image in there |
| 13:43.11 | hell-jack | it says |
| 13:43.18 | wols | !tell hell-jack about errors |
| 13:43.46 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/49022 |
| 13:43.53 | wam | wols: ah, new perspective ;) I'm happy with courier but the new howtos mostly mention dovecot... |
| 13:44.01 | wam | wols: I'll give it a try. |
| 13:44.06 | hell-jack | this is error |
| 13:44.09 | scum | wols: even this not works http://pastebin.ca/901163 |
| 13:44.36 | wols | scum: adduser ftpu then |
| 13:44.54 | wols | set its shell to /bin/false. then try smbpasswd again |
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| 13:49.09 | scum | wols: it works....)))tnx |
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| 13:49.48 | iateadonut | ls -ln - first comes gid, then uid, right? |
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| 13:50.09 | wols | no |
| 13:50.12 | wols | other way around |
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| 13:53.28 | iateadonut | wols, thanks. |
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| 13:59.36 | scum | wols: megtnx.....everything works))) |
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| 14:01.18 | debian-is-me | How can I know from command line how much hd space is left on diffrent partitions? |
| 14:01.24 | wols | debian-is-me: df |
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| 14:03.50 | debian-is-me | Is it risk free to partition an ext partition? |
| 14:04.05 | debian-is-me | How do I unmount /film/ and /mnt/ |
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| 14:04.26 | RaymondX | debian-is-me: umount |
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| 14:05.02 | debian-is-me | Command not found... |
| 14:05.24 | no3sc | I have a usb-harddrive that I would like to mount. The filesystem is NTFS. The partition I would like to mount is /dev/sdb2/ to folder /media/usb2/. How do I do that? |
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| 14:05.39 | gkiagia | Hi, I have two different sound cards on my system, the one is on the motherboard and broken and the other is on pci and works. How can I disable the onboard and have alsa use by default the pci one?? |
| 14:06.13 | sep | gkiagia, the easiest way is often to disable the onboard in bios. |
| 14:06.37 | RaymondX | debian-is-me: did you type umount or unmount |
| 14:06.41 | RaymondX | ? |
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| 14:07.06 | debian-is-me | debian-box:~# unmount /mnt/' |
| 14:07.09 | wols | !tell no3sc about ntfs-3g |
| 14:07.22 | wols | no3sc: that is if you wanna read/write access. read only is easier with ntfs |
| 14:07.30 | RaymondX | I SAID ITS UMOUNT!!!!! |
| 14:08.03 | no3sc | wols: I only need to read. |
| 14:08.08 | wols | !asoundrc |
| 14:08.09 | no3sc | Going to copy from the drive |
| 14:08.26 | wols | no3sc: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb2 /mnt/media |
| 14:08.28 | gkiagia | sep: there is no such option in bios |
| 14:08.44 | no3sc | wols: roger. Thank you |
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| 14:08.53 | wols | gkiagia: bllacklist the onboard |
| 14:08.58 | wols | !tel glut about blacklist |
| 14:09.02 | debian-is-me | RaymondX: Oh... Thought you spelled wrong... |
| 14:09.45 | debian-is-me | umount: /film: device is busy |
| 14:09.49 | gkiagia | ah... thanks wols, I'll try that |
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| 14:10.47 | debian-is-me | output of users is: debian debian debian debian debian debian debian, is that strange? |
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| 14:11.09 | wols | yes. cause "debian" is a shitty username |
| 14:11.35 | debian-is-me | wols: Witch means? |
| 14:11.38 | debian-is-me | Hacked? |
| 14:12.20 | RaymondX | hope mr. murdock gets divorced so it won't be "debian" anymore |
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| 14:12.37 | debian-is-me | got to go, if you have answer please message me. |
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| 14:13.51 | pingouin | how can i do, to have some usb devices (hard drive, card reader, mp3 player) always at the same place when i plug them ?! once they get the /dev/sdxz , another one /dev/sdyb etc...boring.... |
| 14:13.54 | Lukian | How do I reinitialise my sound system? I just rearranged my soundards in /et/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 14:14.16 | iateadonut | i can't seem to add another taskbar on kde to the top of the screen. |
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| 14:14.38 | iateadonut | well, i can, but i can't change it's size, actually, is the problem. |
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| 14:15.32 | wols | !tell pingouin about uuid |
| 14:15.41 | no3sc | wols: How was it I changed owner rights form root to another user. I've completely forgotten |
| 14:15.59 | wols | no3sc: with a mount option |
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| 14:16.46 | wols | no3sc: -i uis=... |
| 14:16.50 | wols | man mount for specifics |
| 14:16.59 | wols | gid and umask are also worth a look |
| 14:17.07 | no3sc | ok thanks. |
| 14:17.08 | no3sc | I'm (a path prefix is not a directory) |
| 14:17.22 | wols | *uid= |
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| 14:17.55 | no3sc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.20 | no3sc | And there you are, playing, and ending up getting a new program for this and that, and whops, you only use win again :( |
| 14:18.41 | karmatronic | no3sc: yeah dual boot kind of sucks anyway |
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| 14:19.00 | pingouin | wols: ok, thanks. |
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| 14:19.17 | pingouin | wols: i guess, then i have to pick this uuid and put it in my /etc/fstab |
| 14:19.53 | pingouin | wols: instead of /dev/found_me_when_you_plug_me /mnt/mymp3 |
| 14:19.56 | no3sc | karmatronic: yea :/ But the game world is owned buy MS almost :( So it's not that wierd that we who want to use linux have a hard time |
| 14:20.43 | karmatronic | no3sc: buy yourself a nds and you re done :) |
| 14:21.13 | no3sc | karmatronic: nds? |
| 14:21.20 | jim | no3sc: what do you use linux for? |
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| 14:21.42 | no3sc | jim - I would love to use it for everything =) |
| 14:22.00 | jim | nice. but what about here and now |
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| 14:22.25 | karmatronic | no3sc: yeah nintendo ds |
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| 14:23.14 | karmatronic | no3sc: the only game i ve ever been addicted to was street fighter and its running on my linux box ,so... |
| 14:23.15 | no3sc | jim: Hmm, all-day schoolwork. Amsn, web, mp3. Normal user stuff. But I do want to learn more. |
| 14:23.33 | no3sc | karmatronic: Well, I guess you and I aint that alike then. |
| 14:23.42 | karmatronic | no3sc: :) |
| 14:24.14 | no3sc | karmatronic: almost every game I play can make me addicted. I love almost every aspects of gaming. Hoping to become a game programmer/developer some day |
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| 14:24.23 | no3sc | karmatronic: I got a nintendo WII. Does that count? |
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| 14:24.39 | IPv4Freely | Hey guys, I'm having issues with my Windows Vista installation. Anyone able to help? |
| 14:24.59 | no3sc | IPv4Freely: I guess you are on the wrong channel :) |
| 14:25.24 | IPv4Freely | Well Vista runs on computers, and so does Debian. I figure theres enough sysadmins here that somebody would be able to help. |
| 14:25.26 | jelly | IPv4Freely: ##windows over there --> |
| 14:25.38 | DarenM | lol |
| 14:26.11 | DarenM | i'm submitting those last couple lines to bash.org |
| 14:26.37 | IPv4Freely | Okay, I'm just kidding. We have some retard in #cisco asking about HP crap, and I just wanted to see what happens when you join #debian to ask about Vista, as an example. |
| 14:26.40 | DarenM | cause it runs on computers..lol |
| 14:26.54 | DarenM | IPv4Freely> sure...... |
| 14:26.56 | jelly | DarenM: not worth it, you can see basically the same coversation with Ubuntu users at least 1 hundred times a day |
| 14:26.57 | IPv4Freely | His logic was "its all networking" |
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| 14:27.58 | jim | IPv4Freely: #debian doesn't even cover very nearly related operating systems... |
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| 14:28.05 | DarenM | well networking..is ...networking.. cisco does seem like a good place to ask a networking question..but os's and not just similair.. |
| 14:28.17 | DarenM | so* |
| 14:28.18 | no3sc | Well, I'm not an expert, but I guess there is a bigger difference between how Vista and Debian works, and how networking works.. |
| 14:28.22 | jim | hire a consultant, call microsoft, get support that way |
| 14:28.36 | no3sc | or switch os |
| 14:28.37 | no3sc | =) |
| 14:28.41 | IPv4Freely | jim, I dont -actually- need help ;) |
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| 14:28.55 | Cromag | cmon, not just a bit ? |
| 14:28.58 | DarenM | IPv4Freely> :) |
| 14:29.02 | IPv4Freely | I'm a FreeBSD guy anyway, I just figured I'd get the biggest rise out of debian people ;) |
| 14:29.07 | Cromag | not even with some skixofrenic issues ? |
| 14:29.20 | jim | ahh, so you trolled us? |
| 14:29.29 | IPv4Freely | Yeah, it was definitely a troll |
| 14:29.33 | IPv4Freely | Sorry ;) |
| 14:29.34 | DarenM | IPv4Freely> dalnet of efnet woulda been a fun place to try it. prolly woulda got a !kb. |
| 14:29.34 | DarenM | lol |
| 14:29.41 | IPv4Freely | oh yeah, bigtime |
| 14:29.53 | IPv4Freely | efnet bans for ontopic questions... i could only imagine what theyd do in this case |
| 14:30.04 | DarenM | lol they are harsh |
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| 14:30.14 | jim | efnet bans when they get an itch they gotta scratch |
| 14:30.17 | no3sc | Sounds like friendly ppl |
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| 14:30.39 | IPv4Freely | If the guys on efnet get any indication that you have the slightest doubt about what youre doing, they ban you. |
| 14:30.42 | jelly | IPv4Freely: had you continued, an op would have asked you politely if you had a debian question. Persistence would have resulted in a 10 minute silencing period. |
| 14:31.02 | IPv4Freely | jelly, darn... I wish ops in #cisco would do something like that |
| 14:31.15 | DarenM | IPv4Freely> yea...they are cruel. |
| 14:31.38 | IPv4Freely | I remember when I first started going there a few years back, I got yelled at for saying something offtopic, at 5am when nobody was around. I got REAMED for it. |
| 14:31.51 | IPv4Freely | And now they do nothing about anything.... |
| 14:32.02 | beardy | Same as everywhere. |
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| 14:32.18 | IPv4Freely | Try sitting a day in #apache. One of the best run channels I've ever been in. |
| 14:32.47 | IPv4Freely | Extremely helpful, but completely intolerant of anything more then a "hey how are you?" in the offtopic category. |
| 14:33.09 | IPv4Freely | Their mindset is that there are a ton of channels on freenode, #apache doesnt need to be a social one |
| 14:33.12 | DarenM | the thing about ef and dal is that it's not beginner friendly. and it's sorta understandable that they get pissed when someone is like "how do i extract .tar?" cause that is a simple google. |
| 14:33.13 | beardy | Like you, a troll, should have been kicked by now. |
| 14:33.16 | jelly | IPv4Freely: do you have a debian question? |
| 14:33.21 | IPv4Freely | beardy, for sure |
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| 14:33.42 | azeem | IPv4Freely: then better hurry |
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| 14:33.53 | liable | uh oh |
| 14:33.53 | azeem | IPv4Freely: you're just below threshold |
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| 14:34.11 | IPv4Freely | jelly, nah, but thanks all for the conversation. I have a few debian boxes at work, and I'm sure I'll be bugging you guys in the future :) |
| 14:34.26 | IPv4Freely | Seems like a pretty good channel ;) |
| 14:34.31 | DarenM | IPv4Freely> :) |
| 14:34.32 | dto | hello folks. i'm at a bit of a loss on how to install the Adobe flash player on debian lenny. it says first to "Edit /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list to allow flashplugin-nonfree from Debian unstable to be installed on your Debian testing system." but provides no details. |
| 14:34.37 | liable | why does that nick reming me of a bugs bunny cartoon? |
| 14:34.42 | IPv4Freely | Mine? |
| 14:34.46 | liable | yes |
| 14:34.47 | dto | this is from i'm lookin at porn online |
| 14:34.58 | dto | haha, i mean, this is from http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#stable-with-backports |
| 14:34.59 | iateadonut | how do i adjust the time on kde to show UTC? |
| 14:35.08 | dto | damn that X selection :-) |
| 14:35.11 | liable | i think ip freeling was one of the producers |
| 14:35.15 | IPv4Freely | Should remind you of either Bart Simpson calling Moes Tavern, or of I.P. Freely from the old game Rise of the Triad ;) |
| 14:35.20 | iateadonut | i mean, to say that the bios is UTC. |
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| 14:35.56 | IPv4Freely | My normal nick is IPv6Freely, but this is what I use when my other nick is still active (on my work PC) |
| 14:36.41 | IPv4Freely | Anyway, thanks guys for not kicking me. Have a good one |
| 14:36.52 | DarenM | hey whats the gui app that displays cpu, ram and free space info |
| 14:36.52 | beardy | Hmm, I don't remember such a thing from ROTT, I have to replay it. |
| 14:36.53 | DarenM | ? |
| 14:37.32 | IPv4Freely | beardy, one of the characters names was IP Freely, he had shaggy hair ;) |
| 14:37.41 | IPv4Freely | ROTT ftw ;) |
| 14:37.46 | beardy | IPv4Freely: Ah. :) |
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| 14:38.14 | no3sc | DarenM: I think google and freashmeat.org (was it org?) Is better places to look for the specific one you want |
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| 14:38.47 | effe[utf] | DarenM, gkrellm ? |
| 14:38.55 | no3sc | maby soureforge has something for you to |
| 14:39.00 | DarenM | no3sc> there is one that was packaged just for debian it's in the repository and i already have it installed i just can't remmebr the darn command. |
| 14:39.19 | beardy | DarenM: man apropos |
| 14:39.22 | no3sc | DarenM: Sorry then =) Can't help you. I'm new to |
| 14:39.24 | DarenM | effe[utf]> it's exactly like gkellm but rewritten for by a deb developer |
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| 14:39.49 | at0m|c | DarenM, KDE System Guard? Ctrl-Esc by default in kde |
| 14:40.09 | at0m|c | DarenM, ah, it's not like gkrellm, more like Win TaskManager |
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| 14:41.01 | DarenM | at0m|c> thanks but i am using gnome. |
| 14:41.07 | IPv4Freely | Guys, I'm back. I just had to show you this -> http://bash.org/?10946 |
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| 14:41.33 | azeem | IPv4Freely: if you don't have Debian questions, please either keep quiet, or leave |
| 14:41.49 | DarenM | IPv4Freely> lol |
| 14:42.05 | IPv4Freely | azeem, HAHA okay then :) See ya! |
| 14:42.48 | IPv4Freely | I love IRC :D |
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| 14:43.08 | no3sc | when I try to copy a folder I get follow. |
| 14:43.27 | DarenM | beardy> hm..never knew bout apropos..seems very useful |
| 14:43.28 | no3sc | cp: omitting directory 'folder' |
| 14:43.31 | DarenM | beardy> thanks. |
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| 14:43.32 | no3sc | what does that mean? |
| 14:43.53 | beardy | DarenM: You're welcome. |
| 14:43.58 | azeem | no3sc: cp does not copy directories unless you pass an appropriate option to it |
| 14:44.04 | jim | cp will only copy files by default |
| 14:44.07 | no3sc | oh! |
| 14:44.09 | no3sc | OMG :P |
| 14:44.13 | no3sc | I'm so off today |
| 14:44.18 | jim | (didn't want the default? see: man cp) |
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| 14:44.26 | no3sc | To long ago I've used linux =) |
| 14:44.42 | DarenM | that program is called "conky" btw... |
| 14:44.50 | jim | just so you know I use man pages all the time |
| 14:45.05 | DarenM | i should have said "system monitor" |
| 14:45.23 | iateadonut | how do you copy files and copy group and username when you do? |
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| 14:45.37 | no3sc | jim: I know :/ But I've got some time to get used to them again. |
| 14:45.46 | azeem | iateadonut: man cp |
| 14:45.53 | azeem | iateadonut: or use tar/rsync |
| 14:46.01 | jim | true... (what's the best way to get used to it, btw?) |
| 14:47.13 | no3sc | jim: I'm getting there =) I just reinstalled debian and using it for the first time since.. well. Long before december at least. |
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| 14:48.45 | no3sc | jim: And at the same time trying to get used to fluxbox. Allways used Gnome/KDE before. Wanted something new =) *I saw linux mint, and even tried to install it 4 times today, with 3 different installs. Everyone crashed at 89 %* |
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| 14:48.50 | no3sc | Don't know why yet though. |
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| 14:49.41 | iateadonut | azeem - man cp didn't cut it; tar would work. thanks. |
| 14:50.35 | no3sc | jim: To fluxbox? |
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| 14:51.47 | dokma | hi |
| 14:52.00 | dokma | how do I check partition sizes in debian with root priv ? |
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| 14:54.25 | Faragd | I'm having a problem with LILO/grub. For some reason LILO doesn't let me go :( I need to use grub for booting and I've installed it(grub-install /dev/sda) but it still uses lilo to boot |
| 14:55.05 | loca|host | is there any guide to build or use a prepackaged application level (l7) firewall ? since a simple firewall over iptables is no more entreprise with growing P2P intelligent apps |
| 14:55.07 | asn | Howdy. Is there a way to make a command get executed on startup for a specific user without using /etc/rc.local (I don't have root permissions) |
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| 14:55.45 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 14:55.45 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 14:56.19 | asn | heh, smart. thanks |
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| 14:57.06 | liable | doesnt that need root priviledges? |
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| 14:57.30 | asn | crontab? |
| 14:58.05 | liable | no, i missed that and read as far as the init bit |
| 14:58.36 | loca|host | !level7 |
| 14:58.41 | loca|host | !firewall |
| 14:58.41 | dpkg | [firewall] a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 14:58.49 | no3sc | when using "chown newowner:newgroup /file" How do I make the subcategories included? |
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| 14:59.39 | jelly | no3sc: subcategories? |
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| 14:59.46 | atchek | hi, i notice there is a different between $ rm -i -f /somefiles and $ rm -f -i /somefiles |
| 14:59.51 | kunsi | no3sc: -R or -r, i dont know |
| 15:00.03 | misafir8733 | þþ |
| 15:00.10 | misafir8733 | i am know |
| 15:00.18 | no3sc | jelly: the folders inside the folder I change. |
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| 15:00.27 | misafir8733 | yes change:D |
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| 15:00.55 | jelly | no3sc: you want to "man rm". |
| 15:01.13 | no3sc | ok I'll do |
| 15:01.22 | jelly | no3sc: sorry, man chown :-) |
| 15:01.29 | no3sc | I guessed that ;) |
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| 15:03.42 | atchek | my concern is the command i just mentioned does not behave the same way |
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| 15:04.05 | abrotman | atchek: different how ? |
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| 15:05.07 | atchek | $ rm -i -f /somefiles - does not prompt for confirmation |
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| 15:05.15 | atchek | $ rm -f -i /some files - prompt for confirmation |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | atchek: and rm -fi ? |
| 15:05.32 | atchek | same |
| 15:05.35 | abrotman | or if |
| 15:05.37 | riz_ | I've a problem starting bind9 on a sarge: it waits in "Starting domain name service...: bind" and doesn't start..I can brake it with ctrl+c |
| 15:05.49 | abrotman | atchek: so it only prompts you if "i" is the last optoin ? |
| 15:05.51 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 15:05.54 | atchek | yes |
| 15:05.57 | abrotman | -f and -i seem contractdictory |
| 15:06.28 | atchek | yes contractdictory, but i have problem when add an alias at .bashrc - alias rm='rm -i' |
| 15:06.45 | atchek | this alias will never work if somebody do $ rm -f /somefiles |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | right .. so you're ending up with rm -i -f ? |
| 15:07.01 | atchek | if it ending with -i, it prompt for confirmation |
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| 15:07.14 | atchek | if end with -f, it will force to delete even there is -i |
| 15:07.16 | JaminCollins | I'm working on backporting the xen 3.2 hypervisor from sid to etch, but have run into what appears to be an infinite loop of build dependencies |
| 15:07.20 | abrotman | right .. but you're conciously adding -f |
| 15:08.01 | themill | atchek: isn't that a fairly sensible way of doing things? |
| 15:08.15 | atchek | well, i want to do an alias in .bashrc |
| 15:08.21 | atchek | alias rm='rm -i' |
| 15:08.29 | atchek | which prevent user from using -f switch |
| 15:08.41 | JaminCollins | xen requires gcc-multiarch, which isn't in etch, so attempting to build it from source shows that it needs gcc-4.2-base, which isn't in etch, building it from source shows that it needs gcc-multiarch |
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| 15:08.56 | themill | atchek: why would you want to do that? |
| 15:09.14 | atchek | just to enhance security |
| 15:09.21 | atchek | so user may need to press 'y' to confirm delete |
| 15:09.34 | atchek | to force them to press'y' |
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| 15:09.44 | atchek | so there is no more accidently delete |
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| 15:10.35 | themill | atchek: unless the user adds -f, then you have achieved that. If the user adds -f then that's an "I know what I'm doing and don't ask me" marker. |
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| 15:11.29 | chops | atchek: Getting into a shoving match with users over what commands they're allowed to type often ends poorly |
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| 15:12.02 | themill | atchek: and the user can always happily delete that alias. There is no "security" in any of this. |
| 15:12.33 | Knight_Lord | What does this indicate? swapper: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0x20 |
| 15:12.50 | atchek | sound right... |
| 15:13.28 | Knight_Lord | Active:5866 inactive:109724 dirty:6002 writeback:4181 unstable:0 free:751 slab:5451 mapped:1767 pagetables:137 bounce:0 |
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| 15:14.19 | themill | atchek: if I had an admin try that, I'd alias rm="/bin/rm" and tell him or her into which orifices they can shove their silly ideas. But that's just me. |
| 15:14.47 | Knight_Lord | Is there any program to find out the number of files in a directory, recursively? |
| 15:15.04 | abrotman | themill: bah .,.. alias it to unlink .. no more -f or -i :) |
| 15:15.15 | petemc | Knight_Lord: find and wc |
| 15:15.25 | no_mind | i have a mmc card reader iin my laptop. When i insert a card in the slot i get a message tifm_core: MMC/SD card detected in socket 0:1. But i dont have '/dev/mmcblk0' node or something simillar. How do i mount the drive |
| 15:15.31 | no_mind | s/drive/card |
| 15:15.36 | atchek | thanks mates, i get the idea now |
| 15:15.49 | JaminCollins | no_mind: is the reader a TI based reader? |
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| 15:15.54 | no_mind | yup |
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| 15:16.11 | no_mind | it is a TI based reader |
| 15:16.15 | JaminCollins | the kernel needs a timing patch |
| 15:16.15 | Knight_Lord | petemc you mean find . |wc -l? |
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| 15:16.24 | Knight_Lord | petemc nothing a bit more efficient? |
| 15:16.43 | JaminCollins | Ubuntu has a long standing bug open on it, and Mandriva recently came up with a patch for it... two line change |
| 15:16.46 | eps | is there an easy way to switch the default between gij java and sun java? |
| 15:16.55 | JaminCollins | one second and I'll get you a link |
| 15:17.38 | JaminCollins | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/137686/comments/40 |
| 15:17.47 | themill | eps: update-java-alternatives |
| 15:18.21 | craigevil | eps: update-alternatives --config java |
| 15:18.24 | JaminCollins | any suggestions on how to solve the seemingly infinite build dependency loop for xen on AMD64? |
| 15:18.44 | eps | thanks themill and craigevil |
| 15:18.51 | themill | abrotman: yeah, that works too :) or write a short program in $LANGUAGE that calls unlink() if some "security enhancement" has removed /usr/bin/unlink. |
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| 15:19.12 | no_mind | JaminCollins, the card is working on ubuntu but not on debian |
| 15:19.13 | Knight_Lord | I got a page allocation failure from what it seems to be the e1000 driver |
| 15:19.17 | Knight_Lord | with 2GB of free swap |
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| 15:19.28 | Knight_Lord | There's something I don't quite understand |
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| 15:19.35 | JaminCollins | no_mind: and what kernel versions are both using? |
| 15:19.55 | no_mind | JaminCollins, are you suggesting that i patch the kernal and recompile it ? |
| 15:20.00 | JaminCollins | yup |
| 15:20.39 | no_mind | JaminCollins, debian is 2.6.22-2-686 and cant access ubuntu installation right now |
| 15:21.05 | JaminCollins | that patch should correct it |
| 15:21.41 | no_mind | or should i upgrade the kernel (much easier than patching) |
| 15:21.57 | JaminCollins | won't help if the new kernel doesn't have the change |
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| 15:28.36 | mintee | new to debian, old to linux, but is there a way to install all the devtools, libs and headers for building apps from src all in one? |
| 15:28.52 | DarenM | my desktop is so pretty. i love linux. |
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| 15:28.54 | mintee | instead of one by one |
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| 15:29.08 | liable | !b-e mintee |
| 15:29.08 | dpkg | mintee: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:29.46 | mintee | thanks lilable |
| 15:29.51 | liable | mintee: that doesnt give you everything, you will need to install headers (ie -dev package) for some stuff |
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| 15:30.07 | liable | depends what your building |
| 15:30.11 | mintee | asterisk |
| 15:30.13 | mintee | :D |
| 15:30.14 | chops | mintee: build-essential gives you everything you need for building basic C/C++ code. 'apt-get build-dep packagename' gets the specific things that are needed to build (packagename) |
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| 15:30.30 | mintee | ah, nice |
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| 15:31.21 | RBRIDDICK | hi! can somebody tell me, how i can apply the *-18etch1.diff.gz file properly to the kernel sources? *sob* |
| 15:31.36 | liable | fucking hell, using a command line app in windows is even more infuriating than linux.. |
| 15:31.46 | Jygzygyzel | liable no shit |
| 15:31.56 | Jygzygyzel | its like impossible |
| 15:32.04 | RBRIDDICK | what? |
| 15:32.12 | liable | especially when the thing has *no* docs |
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| 15:32.32 | liable | RBRIDDICK: what exactly are you doing? |
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| 15:32.43 | RBRIDDICK | i am trying to update my custom kernel... |
| 15:32.50 | Jygzygyzel | avoid windows as much as possible |
| 15:32.51 | chops | !tell RBRIDDICK about kernel-package |
| 15:33.08 | RBRIDDICK | i need some special things for ivtv and memory saving... |
| 15:33.15 | Faragd | anyone using HyperVM here? |
| 15:33.19 | chops | !anyone |
| 15:33.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:33.50 | Faragd | Well if there is someone using HyperVM, with what debian are you using it? 64 bit says this os is not supported |
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| 15:34.52 | RBRIDDICK | ic - thx |
| 15:35.19 | liable | RBRIDDICK: gunzip it, and make sure its in the source dir, then use patch -P* > diff-file (* being anywhere from 0 up, the top of the patch should give a clue) |
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| 15:36.25 | liable | i am such a twat |
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| 15:36.34 | Faragd | ding ding |
| 15:36.37 | chops | RBRIDDICK, liable: Not quite like that |
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| 15:37.21 | Faragd | we have a twat in the room |
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| 15:37.43 | chops | RBRIDDICK: Do 'zcat *-18etch1.diff.gz | patch -P1' from the kernel source directory (I think... it might be -P0) |
| 15:37.54 | chops | RBRIDDICK: In any case, using the wrong -P level will give you an error |
| 15:38.13 | RBRIDDICK | chops: i did that... it created a debian/ directory and put a lot of patches and other files in there... |
| 15:38.22 | chops | RBRIDDICK: kernel-package |
| 15:38.25 | RBRIDDICK | chops: but it didnt patch the kernel src files... *f*ck* |
| 15:38.47 | Gruelius | Hi all, im having major trouble with the debain installer, i cant get grub to boot from a md array. After the install has finished it complains about the md arrays not building. Should i just boot from a standard partition or is it possible to mirror the boot partition? |
| 15:38.56 | RBRIDDICK | btw: ur README.gz doesnt tell me about that \.diff file... *sob*^2 |
| 15:38.58 | chops | RBRIDDICK: Do you really need to create a custom kernel? I seem to remember using ivtv at one point with a Debian kernel... and "saving memory" is a foolish reason to compile a custom kernel IMHO |
| 15:39.08 | pingouin | wols: nice trick with UUID to mount, it's work perfect to mount my devices |
| 15:39.15 | RBRIDDICK | chops: i need a newer version of ivtv... |
| 15:39.21 | pingouin | wols: but i got a segfault when it's time to unmount..... |
| 15:39.24 | petemc | Knight_Lord: whats not efficient about find and wc? |
| 15:39.31 | chops | RBRIDDICK: kernel-package then |
| 15:39.33 | pingouin | umount sorry |
| 15:39.40 | pingouin | but segfault |
| 15:39.49 | Knight_Lord | petemc thanks it worked |
| 15:40.21 | petemc | all good |
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| 15:40.54 | screamingbytes | morning all |
| 15:40.59 | berzerka | !tell berzerka about backports |
| 15:41.29 | liable | man i am a retard |
| 15:41.39 | JaminCollins | chops: ivtv does work fine with stock debian kernels |
| 15:41.59 | grub | liable, oops, sorry for that |
| 15:42.12 | RBRIDDICK | JaminCollins: with 2 PVR250 cards, too? |
| 15:42.23 | liable | grub: yeah, i was about to tell you to fuck off. in fact i still will. |
| 15:42.47 | JaminCollins | haven't tried with 2 pvr250s, but I don't see why you'd need a custom kernel for it |
| 15:42.56 | grub | liable, and i'll let you know that was an accident :) |
| 15:44.55 | liable | grub: strange accident :P |
| 15:44.56 | RBRIDDICK | JaminCollins: i dont remember... or was it PPPoE? somehow the normal kernel didnt bring it... |
| 15:45.30 | JaminCollins | I had to compile the ivtv source, but that's simple enough with the module-assistant package |
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| 15:45.56 | RBRIDDICK | JaminCollins: i remember: my box crashes, when USB2 is loaded and i didnt know how to turn that off in the original-out-of-the-box-kernel... |
| 15:46.04 | grub | liable, rather say, strange coincidence, you said the same thing, which i was going to tell to my friend over pm :p |
| 15:46.14 | JaminCollins | blacklist the module |
| 15:46.34 | JaminCollins | or find why the box is crashing |
| 15:46.48 | liable | grub: you were going to tell your friend i am a retard?!? ;) |
| 15:47.23 | grub | liable, nah, that he was, i never realised when you came into the picture, not until i realised i clicked on your nick :P |
| 15:47.27 | RBRIDDICK | JaminCollins: hmm... ok... i will sleep over that... :-) |
| 15:47.33 | RBRIDDICK | bye |
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| 15:48.20 | JaminCollins | cyclic build dependencies would be a bug, right? |
| 15:48.25 | liable | grub: fair 'nough |
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| 15:51.00 | iateadonut | how do i tell debian/kde that my system clock is set to local time? |
| 15:51.06 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 15:51.06 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 15:51.11 | abrotman | didn't you do this last night ? |
| 15:51.29 | liable | yes he did |
| 15:51.29 | berzerka | if i do apt-get build-dep to install the necesarry packages to build (backport) a package from unstable, are the packages which get installed taken from the target release (testing in my case) or unstable? and is there a way to remove them later, that is, if the package officially went into testing? |
| 15:52.16 | JaminCollins | berzerka: depends on your sources.list |
| 15:52.21 | liable | berzerka: once the release version is greater than your backported one, it will get updated if its in testing |
| 15:53.01 | berzerka | liable: nice.. but there is no way to "cleanly" remove the build-dep packages later on? |
| 15:53.05 | JaminCollins | if you only list the deb-src line for unstable, apt-get source $X will grab the source version from unstable, but all build-dep requirements will be pulled from your deb lines |
| 15:53.15 | abrotman | berzerka: no |
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| 15:53.26 | berzerka | JaminCollins: that is how it is set up for me, thanks. |
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| 15:53.28 | abrotman | berzerka: someone wrote a script for it .. somewhere |
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| 15:53.58 | berzerka | abrotman: hmm for this single case i will just write them up and remove manually i think.. |
| 15:54.02 | liable | berzerka: you can remove those packages if you want |
| 15:54.27 | berzerka | liable: yes but by no (standard) way automatically, if i get it right. |
| 15:54.55 | liable | what do you mean by automatically? |
| 15:55.26 | liable | theres no magic apt command to say 'apt-get remove those builds deps' .. no |
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| 15:56.19 | berzerka | liable: yes that's what i was thinking about. but after thinking some more i realized that it would be very difficult to provide such a function (and make it behave in some way foreseeable..) |
| 15:56.41 | berzerka | okay thank you all, i think i'm set now, lets see if this works :) |
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| 15:57.24 | liable | some painfull sed and awk foo would work, but rather than twist your brain in knots its easier to just remove said packages |
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| 15:58.36 | hpoop | Hi, how can i distribute /etc/sudoers to about 35 machines without log in as root and use visudo on every machine? |
| 15:58.38 | berzerka | liable: well it _could_ also be implemented in apt i guess, like "apt-get remove-build-deps" which would check for each package if it got installed from elsewhere and if not remove it. |
| 15:58.59 | berzerka | liable: but for my case a list of packages will certainly do. thanks again. |
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| 16:00.20 | debian___ | What was the name of the program that makes partitions bigger/smaller/no exsistant? |
| 16:00.26 | jim | what source builds nvidia-kernel-common |
| 16:00.41 | bush | hpoop: copy the file |
| 16:00.47 | berzerka | hpoop: maybe have root's ssh public key on all machines and write a script which scp's the sudoers file to each host? |
| 16:00.48 | karmatronic | debian___: gparted , partition magick |
| 16:00.53 | liable | debian___: parted or its front ends (gparted/qtparted et al) |
| 16:01.07 | debian___ | karmatronic: Where those text based? |
| 16:01.16 | debian___ | Only have ssh acces! |
| 16:01.28 | karmatronic | debian___: parted is |
| 16:01.58 | karmatronic | debian___: now , partitioning remotely is risky |
| 16:02.13 | debian___ | I think I remember something like fs or f disk? |
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| 16:02.19 | debian___ | karmatronic: Why? |
| 16:02.26 | karmatronic | debian___: fdisk,cfdisk.... |
| 16:02.27 | jim | sfdisk? |
| 16:02.30 | debian___ | I cannot unmount one partition |
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| 16:02.39 | debian___ | /film/ |
| 16:02.45 | jim | why? |
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| 16:02.52 | karmatronic | debian___: why ? |
| 16:03.46 | debian___ | umount: /film: device is busy |
| 16:03.55 | jim | ahh |
| 16:04.01 | jim | why is it busy? |
| 16:04.02 | karmatronic | debian___: because you are in there .... |
| 16:04.07 | debian___ | In there? |
| 16:04.08 | hpoop | bush: i forgot to say only shh, scp is possible, so what berzerka: says will work unless the file is not locked |
| 16:04.20 | debian___ | karmatronic: Through my command line ssh? |
| 16:04.57 | jim | what makes a mount busy? |
| 16:05.03 | bush | hpoop: yes, should work |
| 16:05.04 | karmatronic | debian___: you made something like cd /film , then you became root , and now you try to unmount although your regular user is still in /film |
| 16:05.20 | chops | debian___: You can also use lsof to find out what has /film open |
| 16:05.28 | debian___ | Oh, now I know |
| 16:05.29 | chops | debian___: Though I have a feeling karamtronic is right |
| 16:05.33 | debian___ | I opened rtorrent |
| 16:05.35 | bush | i havent used visudo in a while, but then again im usually the only one logged onto the boxes im working on |
| 16:05.36 | chops | debian___: Yet another reason to use sudo :-) |
| 16:05.45 | debian___ | Witch stores stuff in /film/ |
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| 16:06.10 | debian___ | Witch one of the partition programs is easyest? |
| 16:06.16 | jim | ahh. so rtorrent did the thing that made /film busy: it opened a file there |
| 16:06.20 | hpoop | bush: thx |
| 16:06.23 | debian___ | Most graphicalish? |
| 16:06.42 | chops | debian___: gparted is well thought of |
| 16:06.55 | debian___ | chops: Text based? |
| 16:07.20 | chops | debian___: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=gparted+screenshots |
| 16:07.24 | jim | just bite the bullet and learn the text based parted |
| 16:07.39 | debian___ | chops: I have seen it, but I said I need for ssh... |
| 16:07.58 | debian___ | chops: Thought it maybe was like gaim, that it was both! |
| 16:08.06 | jim | oh, and at some point man X |
| 16:08.06 | jelly | debian___: what's your use case in partitioning-over-ssh? |
| 16:08.22 | debian___ | jelly: I need more space for movies I download. |
| 16:08.24 | chops | debian___: I didn't see it if you did. You can use ssh -X, or just bite the bullet and learn parted as jim recommended |
| 16:09.04 | jelly | debian___: you can't resize any disks that are already in use anyway |
| 16:09.09 | jim | think about backing up too |
| 16:09.13 | jelly | s/disks/partitions/ |
| 16:09.25 | karmatronic | debian___: cfdisk or fdisk dont resize partitions i think |
| 16:09.28 | debian___ | jelly: I killed rtorrent so it is freeno. |
| 16:09.31 | jim | well actually xfs, that's the only way to resize |
| 16:09.38 | chops | karmatronic: parted does IIRC |
| 16:09.59 | karmatronic | chops: yes |
| 16:10.01 | jim | debian___: see if you can unmount it |
| 16:10.20 | RaymondX | what command let's you display all the network devices? |
| 16:10.25 | jelly | debian___: let me rephrase. You can't make kernel see the changed partition table without reboot, if any partition on that disk is in use |
| 16:10.29 | chops | RaymondX: ifconfig |
| 16:10.30 | karmatronic | RaymondX: ifconfig |
| 16:10.54 | enouf | RaymondX: wel, ifconfig -a, but those not up will/should appear in /sys/class/net/* |
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| 16:11.39 | RaymondX | funny....i type each one of them in the network monitor and none of them are found |
| 16:11.41 | mateusz | Hi |
| 16:11.46 | enouf | RaymondX: dmesg may help here too, as far as ifaces that are not 'up' .. now .. tell us your wifi issues, lol |
| 16:11.46 | debian___ | jelly: So I can write an file to an harddrive while I resize partitions? |
| 16:12.03 | mateusz | grub didnt install how to install debian netinst without repeating all process from begining ? |
| 16:12.08 | jelly | debhelper: "can't". |
| 16:12.10 | mateusz | I just want to install grub |
| 16:12.13 | mateusz | no rescue mode? |
| 16:12.23 | chops | mateusz: Boot from a rescue CD, chroot to the installed system, install grub |
| 16:12.23 | enouf | and how you need proprietary binary blobs and firmware for your POS |
| 16:12.26 | jelly | debian___: you can only resize partitions on a disk that's completely unused |
| 16:12.42 | enouf | the POS that the FCC owns |
| 16:12.42 | debian___ | jelly: DO I have to reboot afterwards? |
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| 16:13.15 | jelly | debhelper: you have to reboot _before_ you do any filesystem resizing |
| 16:13.42 | phoenix_ | Hi, I've installed DHCP on a server to use TFTP, there is already a DHCP server on the network which only hands an IP to macs it knows, I want to do the same thing on this debian server but I dont know how. Any pointers? |
| 16:13.57 | bush | man dhcpd |
| 16:13.59 | jelly | meh |
| 16:14.05 | chops | phoenix_: You definitely should not run two DHCP servers on the same network |
| 16:14.10 | jelly | debian___: you have to reboot _before_ you do any filesystem resizing |
| 16:14.13 | phoenix_ | chops: yea I know |
| 16:14.14 | debian___ | Before? |
| 16:14.26 | debian___ | how do cfdisk resize partitions? |
| 16:14.27 | phoenix_ | thats why they're being limited :S |
| 16:14.31 | bush | phoenix_: why do that when you can just do static IPs? |
| 16:14.45 | jelly | debian___: cfdisk can only resize partitions, not the filesystems on them. |
| 16:14.47 | bush | seems rather pointless if you have to add each one to the config |
| 16:15.07 | phoenix_ | bush: seems the only way to be able to netboot these indys |
| 16:15.16 | bush | ah |
| 16:15.21 | chops | phoenix_: Even if they're being limited... sooner or later it'll bite you in the ass. Better by far to do a static IP for any machines that don't get DHCP addresses (or shut down the limited DHCP server and replace it with a Debian-hosted one) |
| 16:15.25 | debian___ | jelly: So it cannot make an ntfs partition 10gb smaler? |
| 16:15.47 | chops | debian___: Resizing NTFS partitions... you should _definitely_ back up your data first |
| 16:15.55 | bush | its probably going to cause a problem for you or whoever admins the other server |
| 16:16.03 | JaminCollins | debian___: gparted CAN resize NTFS partitions |
| 16:16.09 | mateusz | chops: I have netinst |
| 16:16.15 | mateusz | chops: where do I get rescue CD ? |
| 16:16.17 | enouf | indiannapolis? |
| 16:16.17 | jelly | debian___: no, fdisk/cfdisk don't touch filesystems. If you do it manually, you first need to shrink the filesystem, then shrink the partition. |
| 16:16.19 | phoenix_ | chops: I'm expecting it to kick off, (I admin both) as soon as these indys are sorted I will be removing it |
| 16:16.21 | debian___ | JaminCollins: No through ssh without grafichal |
| 16:16.26 | jelly | debian___: parted/gparted do that for you |
| 16:16.32 | gordonjcp | phoenix_: if I'm doing netbooty stuff I do it on a separate LAN |
| 16:16.40 | debian___ | jelly: parted is difficult... |
| 16:16.45 | bush | phoenix_: use dhcp reservations for those machines if you simply must do it this way |
| 16:16.46 | streuner | debian___: NTFS5? |
| 16:16.48 | chops | mateusz: I believe netinst will boot to a rescue mode. If it doesn't, you'll need to download a separate rescue CD |
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| 16:17.03 | enouf | there are two separate and different gparteds |
| 16:17.03 | phoenix_ | bush: thats what I'm doing, I just want to deny the rest |
| 16:17.13 | debian___ | streuner: Easy and text based? |
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| 16:17.15 | jelly | debian___: not only it is difficult, you'll have the same issue with it if you only have one disk on that machine |
| 16:17.17 | enouf | one is gnome's and one is gnu's |
| 16:17.18 | bush | eesh |
| 16:17.22 | mateusz | chops: during install I get get to shell |
| 16:17.27 | mateusz | chops: but no grub there |
| 16:17.28 | debian___ | jelly: 2 |
| 16:17.44 | jelly | debian___: so do ssh -X and gparted |
| 16:17.50 | chops | mateusz: So install it :-) |
| 16:17.55 | debian___ | jelly: Overkill? |
| 16:17.55 | streuner | debian___: no, NTFS5 is Vista, XP is NTFS4 |
| 16:17.58 | Phil4 | hey all, what do we know about this new exploit milworm released and when the repos will have an updated secure kernel? |
| 16:18.05 | debian___ | streuner: WinXP |
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| 16:18.14 | valdyn | Phil4: they already do |
| 16:18.21 | phoenix_ | ha found it, deny unknown-clients, cheers bush |
| 16:18.22 | jelly | debian___: how is it overkill if you can't handle the command line tool? |
| 16:18.25 | streuner | debian___: ok |
| 16:18.28 | enouf | streuner: er, 2k was 5.0 , Xpoop was 5.1 |
| 16:18.28 | id_ | hi - is anyone here familiar with mod_fcgid ? |
| 16:18.31 | Phil4 | valdyn, really? |
| 16:18.42 | valdyn | Phil4: really |
| 16:18.49 | enouf | streuner: according to mpoop that is |
| 16:18.49 | jelly | enouf: they're talking versions of NTFS, not the OS |
| 16:18.57 | bush | phoenix_: deny unknown-clients |
| 16:19.02 | bush | oops, you got it already |
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| 16:19.09 | Phil4 | valdyn, under which release? |
| 16:19.16 | enouf | ok then .. even more of a reason to stay far away from that cesspool |
| 16:19.18 | valdyn | Phil4: stable |
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| 16:19.31 | phoenix_ | ...and it works! sweet |
| 16:19.32 | enouf | that's some stanky crap there |
| 16:19.35 | Phil4 | packages.debian.org is reporting even SID as having the exploitable kernel |
| 16:19.45 | valdyn | Phil4: umm? |
| 16:19.49 | streuner | Phil4: no |
| 16:19.52 | jelly | Phil4: btw, "SID" is not an acronym |
| 16:19.54 | debian___ | How do I know where the partition start and stop? |
| 16:19.56 | streuner | Phil4: they are fixed NOW |
| 16:19.58 | valdyn | Phil4: why would anyone use sid on a server with untrusted users? |
| 16:19.58 | enouf | Phil4: which CVE are your referring to? |
| 16:20.15 | enouf | Phil4: there were 3 of them, as i recall |
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| 16:20.31 | JaminCollins | valdyn: is there such a thing as trusted users? |
| 16:20.35 | streuner | valdyn: prolly some people have local users on there sid system, not many, true |
| 16:20.45 | Phil4 | valdyn, I don't, however if sid has the older kernel then anything more "stable" isn't going to have a newer one |
| 16:20.48 | valdyn | JaminCollins: yes |
| 16:20.52 | debian___ | Will parted tell me if I make the partition smaler that the files on it? |
| 16:21.05 | \amethyst | valdyn: the exploit isn't just a problem if you have local users |
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| 16:21.24 | \amethyst | valdyn: it's also a problem if there is some unrelated exploit in a non-privileged daemon |
| 16:21.35 | \amethyst | valdyn: since then you have an unwanted local user :) |
| 16:21.37 | enouf | 0600 , 009 , 0010 .. and i know Etch (and most likely lenny/sid) have fixed the 0009/10 ones, not even sure what the 0600 one is about entirely |
| 16:21.49 | Phil4 | enouf: http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092 |
| 16:21.51 | enouf | gah, s/009/0009/ |
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| 16:22.11 | berzerka | i get unresolved symbols when backporting the enigmail package to testing. shouldn't all build-time deps be installed by apt-get build-deps? am i now stuck to not using enigmail until 0.95 officially enters testing? |
| 16:22.16 | valdyn | \amethyst: i wasnt really referring to logged in users |
| 16:22.19 | enouf | CVE-2008-0600 is not yet fixed upstream, affects RHEL5, and has a public exploit ( http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092 ) |
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| 16:22.31 | enouf | that's the 0600 one |
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| 16:22.42 | valdyn | \amethyst: sure you are right though, technically |
| 16:22.47 | enouf | but that was old news .. so i do not know |
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| 16:23.13 | pingouin | why this bug is supose to be close/resolved : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=410031 and i still have the trouble ? |
| 16:23.20 | pingouin | etch too old already ? :/ |
| 16:23.30 | valdyn | pingouin: probably |
| 16:23.34 | Phil4 | enouf, I just exploited my fully updated Lenny desktop with stock 686 kernel with that ^^ |
| 16:23.48 | Phil4 | have just locked ssh down on my servers to only me until an update is out |
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| 16:23.59 | valdyn | Phil4: lenny is the last system to get security fixes, normally |
| 16:24.01 | \amethyst | Phil4: that bug is fixed in debian kernel 2.6.24-4 |
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| 16:24.47 | pingouin | valdyn: what are my possibility ? |
| 16:24.48 | Phil4 | \amethyst, is it safe to download that from packages.debian.org and install it on Lenny? |
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| 16:25.07 | \amethyst | Phil4: should be safe |
| 16:25.09 | pingouin | valdyn: safe to try to mix package with lenny ? (only for this one util-linux ? ) |
| 16:25.14 | Phil4 | \amethyst, thanks |
| 16:25.32 | valdyn | pingouin: you can try simple sid backport |
| 16:25.38 | valdyn | pingouin: or simple lenny backport |
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| 16:26.00 | enouf | \amethyst: is there a linux-image-2.6.24 made for installation already? |
| 16:26.07 | enouf | er .24-4 |
| 16:26.33 | valdyn | pingouin: theres also explained in that bugreport how to patch the original util-linux package, but i suppose just backporting sids is easier |
| 16:27.05 | \amethyst | enouf: Package linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 sid (unstable) (admin): Linux 2.6.24 image on x86 2.6.24-4: i386 |
| 16:27.12 | valdyn | !info util-linux etch |
| 16:27.13 | berzerka | the unresolved symbol is "undefined reference to `NS_NewGenericModule2(nsModuleInfo const*, nsIModule**)", i am just trying to figure out where this _should_ come from. |
| 16:27.17 | dpkg | util-linux: (Miscellaneous system utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 2.12r-19 (etch), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 992 kB |
| 16:27.22 | Phil4 | \amethyst, how would I go about obtaining -4? |
| 16:27.24 | acemi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.28 | Phil4 | packages reports sid as having -1 |
| 16:27.32 | \amethyst | enouf: looks like it's not compiled for all archs yet |
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| 16:27.41 | debian___ | berzerka: How do I undeline text? |
| 16:27.41 | enouf | \amethyst: hrm, so one would need to build .. i see, thanks |
| 16:27.42 | \amethyst | Phil4: the name of the package has -1 in it, the *version* have -4 |
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| 16:27.54 | pingouin | valdyn: ok thanks for the clues ;) |
| 16:28.03 | Phil4 | ic, \amethyst |
| 16:28.06 | \amethyst | Phil4: what kernel flavour do you use? |
| 16:28.07 | berzerka | debian___: your client displays _this_ underlined, and *this* bold, i suppose |
| 16:28.16 | debian___ | berzerka: Yes! |
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| 16:28.20 | ubd | i want to make a netinstall of lenny' i only have a older version iso of lenny. can i do it? |
| 16:28.26 | debian___ | *bold* |
| 16:28.30 | enouf | \amethyst: yeah, that always seems to confuse me a bit, i need to learn more abuot how they do that |
| 16:28.33 | debian___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.37 | petemc | bold |
| 16:28.48 | Phil4 | \amethyst, 686 |
| 16:28.49 | \amethyst | enouf: basically, the package name changes when the kernel ABI changes |
| 16:28.52 | berzerka | debian___: :) just add _ before and after the word to underline |
| 16:28.57 | Phil4 | I can only see 386 on the site |
| 16:28.59 | valdyn | the package -X means binary breakage |
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| 16:29.02 | enouf | righto .. gotcha |
| 16:29.03 | debian___ | ok |
| 16:29.08 | valdyn | the package -X means binary interface breakage |
| 16:29.21 | valdyn | the version -X means stable binary interface |
| 16:29.27 | \amethyst | enouf: so it looks like -2, -3, and -4 have the same ABI as -1 |
| 16:29.44 | \amethyst | Phil4: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 16:29.47 | karmatronic | ubd: easy , download a recent one |
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| 16:30.02 | ubd | karma: i have no cds |
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| 16:30.10 | Phil4 | I'm there, \amethyst |
| 16:30.11 | gordonjcp | why are LJers so fucked up? |
| 16:30.17 | Phil4 | thanks |
| 16:30.20 | gordonjcp | bah, mischan |
| 16:30.22 | enouf | hrm, thanks fellas .. but how does one see the "version" without d/l the linux-image-X package? |
| 16:30.22 | gordonjcp | sorry folks |
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| 16:30.35 | valdyn | enouf: apt-cache policy <name> |
| 16:30.35 | \amethyst | enouf: packages.debian.org or apt-cache |
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| 16:30.59 | debian___ | berzerka: Can I underline an sentence? |
| 16:31.01 | enouf | hrm.. never knew it would do that - i haven't played much with it it seems, ouch, thanks again |
| 16:31.23 | berzerka | debian___: keep in mind that this behaviour is specific to your client, thus: _i do not know_ |
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| 16:31.24 | valdyn | debian___: _like_that_?_ |
| 16:31.29 | berzerka | debian___: works? |
| 16:31.37 | debian___ | berzerka: No |
| 16:31.41 | petemc | _hmm_ |
| 16:31.55 | debian___ | _this__does__i__think_ |
| 16:31.57 | debian___ | No |
| 16:32.00 | debian___ | It didnt |
| 16:32.03 | bush | this does |
| 16:32.30 | enouf | debian___: time to lose some of your tail____ |
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| 16:32.38 | ubd | erm |
| 16:32.49 | berzerka | debian___: IRC transmits plain ascii text. how your local client interprets stars or underbars depends. |
| 16:32.51 | debian___ | hehe |
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| 16:33.11 | Poker_Player | POKER TOURNAMENT --> EVERYBODY WINS MONEY ! |
| 16:33.11 | Poker_Player | http://pokernation.forumotion.com |
| 16:33.13 | berzerka | actually not necessarily ascii, but plain after all.. |
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| 16:33.45 | debian___ | Ok |
| 16:33.59 | debian___ | So I cannot get an standard? |
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| 16:34.12 | berzerka | debian___: what do you mean by that? |
| 16:34.24 | infinity0 | can someone recommend a wiki package that isn't as bloated as mediawiki? |
| 16:34.31 | jelly | ikiwiki |
| 16:34.43 | debian___ | berzerka: It isnt one standard... |
| 16:34.58 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.10 | ubd | pls: i want to make a netinstall of lenny' i only have a older version iso of lenny. can i do it? |
| 16:35.21 | petemc | ubd: yes |
| 16:35.26 | berzerka | debian___: i don't understand you. what standard? you mean a "standard" irc client? |
| 16:35.47 | debian___ | berzerka: Standard interpetation of the text... |
| 16:35.47 | JaminCollins | infinity0: dokuwiki |
| 16:35.47 | ubd | ty bye :P |
| 16:35.57 | ubd | petemc: how |
| 16:36.13 | infinity0 | oh, thanks JaminCollins, LassieTheBrave |
| 16:36.13 | petemc | ubd: boot from the cd, go through the install procedure - as per the install guide |
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| 16:36.53 | ubd | petemc: i dont have a net install cd jut a normal iso |
| 16:37.02 | petemc | and? |
| 16:37.03 | berzerka | debian___: interpreting stars as bold and underbars as underline is common to many programs, newsreaders and mail programs mostly. wether there some kind of real "standard" about this, i doubt. |
| 16:37.29 | ubd | petemc: what you suggest will install an old version of xfce debian |
| 16:37.35 | enouf | \amethyst: and valdyn apologies for my thickheadedness , but to see if ui understand correctly (from http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686) i see "Package: linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 (2.6.24-4)" ..so, say the ABI gets bumped up now, the newer PACKAGE name would be say -5-686 ? and will climb in VERSION only while using that same ABI? (such as -1..-4 seem to be?) |
| 16:37.42 | karmatronic | ubd: do the install with you cd , and upgrade later |
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| 16:38.07 | debian___ | No Implementation: Support for opening ntfs file systems is not implemented yet. Why does parted say this? |
| 16:38.08 | berzerka | debian___: i doubt that there's some real "standard" for this. thats what i wanted to say :) |
| 16:38.11 | petemc | ubd: it will install whats on the cd, you can then update |
| 16:38.14 | debian___ | ok |
| 16:38.18 | ubd | karmatronic: i need recent install becuz of hardware issues |
| 16:38.22 | \amethyst | enouf: I'm not sure about that myself |
| 16:38.37 | enouf | "and will climb in VERSION only" <-- i mean like the "(2.6.24-5 ... )" part |
| 16:38.43 | \amethyst | enouf: probably looking through the debian changelog for linux-2.6 would tell you |
| 16:38.48 | karmatronic | ubd: in that case , im sorry but you will have to donwload a recent version |
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| 16:39.11 | enouf | \amethyst: ok, thanks, i wonder if d-k would have patience with me, but i'll wait till this explot stuff simmers down |
| 16:39.39 | enouf | \amethyst: sure, i do that often, however, i'm usually looking for other things ;-) |
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| 16:39.42 | ubd | in expert install theres an option openssh network bla bla would that help me |
| 16:39.44 | \amethyst | enouf: hm... I think you are right... the linux-2.6 package would become 2.6.24-5 regardless of whether it's an ABI change |
| 16:39.54 | \amethyst | enouf: err, the linux-2.6 source package |
| 16:40.05 | screamingbytes | kk, so not being the best at shell script debugging, ive been trying to add a ~/bin directory into my PATH from within my .bash_profile, ive made test scripts and the test scripts see the ~/bin dir, but the PATH isn't being reset from within .bash_profile. any ideas? |
| 16:40.15 | enouf | oh crap, rofl, i haven't even begun discussing source packages O.o |
| 16:40.40 | enouf | nm .. for another time - thanks guys |
| 16:41.00 | GuilhermeBrant | hi all,can somebody help me mounting my windows xp's partition on debian? |
| 16:41.09 | padaky | (noob) Anyone have a list of some of the larger packages that can be removed from a basic Debian setup (I loaded *Desktop Environment, *Laptop, *Standard Settings). |
| 16:41.11 | padaky | My HD is only 8.8G and I just want to free up some space. |
| 16:41.34 | bush | padaky: reinstall and select nothing when it comes to package selection |
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| 16:41.54 | enouf | ubd: what's your hardware and what issues? |
| 16:42.10 | enouf | ubd: there are ways around certain blockages |
| 16:42.12 | ubd | wireless kernel |
| 16:42.23 | enouf | never heard of that O.o |
| 16:42.25 | padaky | bush: I did that at first and then there were a lot of things I didn't know how to 'apt-get install' |
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| 16:42.50 | bush | padaky: its easier to add things than it is to remove most of the system if you're trying to save space |
| 16:42.51 | enouf | padaky: tasksel will list what they each install |
| 16:43.18 | enouf | padaky: man tasksel , then review the cache / db file it uses |
| 16:43.33 | padaky | enouf: I am not familiar with taskel... how do I access it? |
| 16:43.42 | ubd | ok then just help me with this: |
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| 16:43.46 | liable | padaky: you can remove gnome and kde, then install the core packeges of which one you want |
| 16:43.48 | enouf | tasksel --list-tasks, tasksel --list-packages Desktop |
| 16:43.52 | liable | !remove gnome |
| 16:43.52 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:43.56 | liable | !remove kde |
| 16:43.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 16:44.20 | ubd | in order to connect to ne i have to login from an http page' how can i do this after a base install |
| 16:44.33 | enouf | padaky: during install, not too easily, though the installation log will have info about it - maybe templates on the cd - it's there someawhere |
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| 16:44.46 | berzerka | noone had the issue with enigmail 0.95 failing to be backported to testing? |
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| 16:44.54 | padaky | wow, lots of good info here from everyone... thx so much (from a noob) |
| 16:44.55 | liable | ubd: with a web browser |
| 16:45.46 | ubd | liable: i go to : https://dormnet.bilkent.edu.tr/dormnet_login.cgi?res=success&uamip=139.179.148.1&uamport=3990&uid=20702328&userurl=&nasid=Dogu&mac=00-1D-72-43-F2-99 then i put my usrnm / pass |
| 16:46.40 | liable | ubd: base comes with links, or lynx, i dont remember, you can run it from the command line, be warned that they are frustrating to use if you haven't used a text based browser before |
| 16:47.05 | enouf | i wonder if w3m is there |
| 16:47.07 | ubd | liable i understand thanks |
| 16:47.41 | liable | enouf: not on my box |
| 16:47.46 | enouf | (sine that's the one usually referred to in gpm and pastewithoutx factoids?) |
| 16:47.53 | enouf | ok |
| 16:48.19 | enouf | well, i doubt links is (i know links2 isn't), maybe lynx though |
| 16:48.33 | possie | on one of my systems i keep getting: http://pastebin.com/m320e500c this machine has a high IO load, however i'm wondering why it's getting these messages, anyone that knows perhaps? |
| 16:48.45 | liable | ubd: i dont think base includes ssl libraries either actually |
| 16:48.53 | GuilhermeBrant | Hey guys I just installed Debian and I'm trying to mount my windows partition in it.There is the partition here,but when I try to access it it shows up a message saying I don't have permissions to show it.I've also tried mounting manually by the terminal,but it also says i don't have permission |
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| 16:49.35 | Tapout | how do you clean out aptitude so that it doesn't try and install old attempts? I tried to install a backport and it couldn't satisfy dependancies and now it complains everytime |
| 16:49.40 | bush | GuilhermeBrant: try it as root |
| 16:49.50 | GuilhermeBrant | i've tried already |
| 16:50.09 | liable | !umask |
| 16:50.09 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa |
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| 16:50.24 | liable | !ntfsrw\ |
| 16:50.27 | liable | !ntfsrw |
| 16:50.27 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. not as stable as they claim. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 16:50.52 | enouf | i really really wonder about these varoius I/O and iowait issues people are having are in any way related to the IOSCHED Format: {"anticipatory" | "cfq" | "deadline" | "noop"} elevator=<option> might be testworthy |
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| 16:51.31 | GuilhermeBrant | !bpo |
| 16:51.32 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 16:51.39 | mrgenixus | how do I begin using gnupg? |
| 16:52.47 | enouf | possie: have you run any disk diagnostics on that disk? |
| 16:53.33 | enouf | possie: how about smartmontools? (are they even applicable for scsi disk?) .. try the HDD Manufacturer's diagnostic tools if any |
| 16:53.50 | ubd | <liable> ubd: i dont think base includes ssl libraries either actually' i think you can slect it where install asks to install tools along with ipv6 ntfs infrared etc |
| 16:53.57 | padaky | ne1: What would the commandline be to remove Evolution (The Evolution PIM and Email Client)? |
| 16:54.01 | debian___ | How do I mount an linux partition? |
| 16:54.21 | mrgenixus | debian___: in linux? you would use mount...? what's your question? |
| 16:54.23 | wols | debian___: what host system? |
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| 16:54.28 | debian___ | debian? |
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| 16:54.39 | wols | man mount then |
| 16:54.51 | mrgenixus | debian___: do you know wherre the partition is? |
| 16:54.59 | enouf | possie: install and man sdparm, but be careful if you decide to toy with it - also, here's some other general scsi utils http://sg.torque.net/sg/tools.html |
| 16:55.13 | debian___ | mrgenixus: No idea |
| 16:55.19 | debian___ | On second hardrive |
| 16:55.23 | debian___ | hdc I think |
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| 16:55.35 | mrgenixus | which partion are you trying to mount? |
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| 16:56.02 | debian___ | mrgenixus: The linux one! |
| 16:56.08 | debian___ | I have two on it |
| 16:56.19 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 16:56.21 | debian___ | I want to mount the one that is linux partitioned |
| 16:56.40 | enouf | padaky: ouch - erm, dpkg -l \*evolution* for starters - i never had any of that stuf installed |
| 16:56.50 | wols | debian___: fdisk -l to find out |
| 16:57.11 | esaym | Anyone have trouble getting acroreader to print out pdf's? I have a printer on my network and adobe just puts out some "printer could not be found" type error. CUPS is installed and I can printer fine from iceweasel and OO |
| 16:57.16 | enouf | padaky: preface that command with COLUMNS=175 so any long names aren't truncated |
| 16:57.28 | mrgenixus | debian___: usually, linux would be on the second one, right? so that'll be hdc2; you would use 'mount /dev/hdc2 /mountpoint' where 'mountpoint' is the place int the filesystem you want to mount BUT... |
| 16:57.36 | debian___ | /dev/hdd2 7650 9733 16739730 83 Linux, that one |
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| 16:58.04 | debian___ | mrgenixus: I only have linux on that box, but there is one ntfs partition |
| 16:58.14 | mrgenixus | debian___: if you're IN linux, why do you need to mount the filesystem? or is this a seperate install of linux, and you're trying to access a linux partion on another drive? |
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| 16:59.03 | mrgenixus | if the partition you need to mount is /dev/hdd2, then you would change '/dev/hdc2' in what I wrote above to that: '/dev/hdd2/' |
| 16:59.08 | debian___ | mrgenixus: It is partitioned for linux, it does not contain linux, or any other software. It is another driv. |
| 16:59.18 | mrgenixus | ok -- I understand. |
| 16:59.21 | mrgenixus | is it formatted? |
| 17:00.22 | debian___ | I hope not |
| 17:00.28 | debian___ | I have movies on it |
| 17:00.44 | kantor | hi, is there a Linux application that measures an optical device (CD/DVD drive) transfer rate speed ? |
| 17:01.07 | wols | debian___: mount /dev/hdd2 /mnountpoint |
| 17:01.23 | wols | kantor: just time a dd run |
| 17:01.25 | debian___ | I typed mount /dev/hdd2 /film/, but there is no files in the folder... |
| 17:01.31 | mrgenixus | well, if there's data on it, it has to be formatted (formatting is the process of initially putting a filesyste on a block device) you can't put readable data on an unformatted disk. yes -- that's correct |
| 17:01.41 | padaky | enouf: do I actually type in 'COLUMNS=75 ouch - erm, dpkg -1\*evolution*' |
| 17:01.43 | mrgenixus | ls film retrns to results? |
| 17:01.45 | \amethyst | kantor: hdparm -t might work (not sure if it supports optical media) |
| 17:01.55 | wols | debian___: now that your mounted it, what is the output of "df"? |
| 17:02.42 | Faragd | Hey, how was I able to determine where my hdd's were mounted? |
| 17:02.50 | wols | Faragd: df |
| 17:03.02 | wols | Faragd: or simply "mount" |
| 17:03.12 | debian___ | wols: Only filesystem that starts with dev is /dev/hda1, but it isnt done yet. |
| 17:03.29 | Faragd | wols: thanks, where could I see the swap mount? |
| 17:03.38 | debian___ | /dev/hdd2 on /film type ext3 (rw) there |
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| 17:03.49 | wols | debian___: then it's not mounted and your mount command errored. it printed an error. what did it print out? |
| 17:03.53 | Faragd | wols: I remember there were some place where we could for example determine to which folder our 2nd hdd is mounted |
| 17:03.58 | wols | ah. ok, it#S mounted |
| 17:04.04 | enouf | padaky: that's an L , not a 1 |
| 17:04.11 | wols | Faragd: I gave you 2 ways to check |
| 17:04.28 | Faragd | I cant see the swap mount on neither of those :| |
| 17:04.43 | enouf | padaky: and yes, so .. COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l \*evolution* |
| 17:04.45 | debian___ | wols: /dev/hdd2 on /film type ext3 (rw), it was there, but no files... |
| 17:04.50 | wols | debian___: how many TGB is your films partition? |
| 17:04.57 | wols | *GB |
| 17:05.12 | debian___ | wols: it was only to refresh the folder! Thanks! |
| 17:05.12 | enouf | padaky: after the = sign is 175, the dpkg -l is an L |
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| 17:05.31 | mrgenixus | debian___: I would guess that there are no files on the partition |
| 17:05.32 | kantor | wols, \amethyst I think that dd and hdparm (for that purpose) are a little mediocre. I would like something that tests the whole disc and shows the transfer rate at every second, eventually with a progress bar that shows where is currently the test |
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| 17:05.57 | mrgenixus | kantor, you could probably hack one together in perl.... |
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| 17:06.26 | enouf | padaky: and yes, so .. COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l \*evolution* | grep ^.i <-- will show only the "Installed" ones .. please do "/msg dpkg grounding" and "/msg dpkg selftell" in your irc client" |
| 17:06.29 | debian___ | mrgenixus: I forgott to refresh! |
| 17:06.52 | GuilhermeBrant | How do I add a line to my sources.list? |
| 17:06.57 | mrgenixus | debian___: ? using nautilus/konquerer? I asumed you were using term... ls is a great way to test |
| 17:07.05 | wols | GuilhermeBrant: with an editor of your choice |
| 17:07.18 | debian___ | mrgenixus: WinSCP |
| 17:07.23 | debian___ | sftp |
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| 17:07.29 | JaminCollins | someone here want to try and help me understand what appears to be a build dependency loop between gcc-multilib and gcc-4.2 in sid? |
| 17:07.35 | Farris1 | I have a box that appears to be rather hosed. We attempted a dist-upgrade to etch, and after that pretty much any command gets some sort of shared library error, e.g. " error while loading shared libraries: libproc-3.2.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" it's difficult to troubleshoot, since most of the tools I would use to do so throw a similar error at me. Is there a workable method to sorting this out, or am I going to n |
| 17:07.43 | wols | debian___: if you have winscp, you also have ssh you can use |
| 17:07.48 | truebosko | How can I search for a file that is in a directory (But I do not know the absolute path to the dir) |
| 17:07.52 | wols | debian___: so uzse a ssh client like putty instead |
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| 17:08.06 | truebosko | Basically looking for 'foo.py' that recides in a 'bar' directory but not sure where 'bar' is in the system |
| 17:08.12 | wols | truebosko: "locate <part of filename> |
| 17:08.18 | zinx | Farris1: you can install the relevant package manually |
| 17:08.25 | enouf | padaky: there's "dpkg" the bot here in irc used for /msg factoids, and the command above is to be run in yuor terminal/console/xterm as noted using dpkg; the low level package manager installed within your Debian installation |
| 17:08.25 | wols | truebosko: locate foo.py |grep bar |
| 17:08.27 | JaminCollins | Farris1: you could use a live cd such as Knoppix or Ubuntu's Desktop installer |
| 17:08.29 | truebosko | wols - Problem is I have a lot of these files named the same |
| 17:08.31 | mrgenixus | wols, he has to be accessing the command-line somehow, how else would he 'mount' |
| 17:08.31 | truebosko | Ah thanks |
| 17:08.42 | wols | mrgenixus: that too |
| 17:08.50 | mrgenixus | debian___: good? |
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| 17:09.09 | GuilhermeBrant | hmm....I tried to edit it,but I can't save,it says I don't have permissions |
| 17:09.12 | zinx | Farris1: not sure why so many commands would need that, though :x |
| 17:09.23 | GuilhermeBrant | *to save the sources.list modified |
| 17:09.32 | padaky | enouf: I'm learning alot from you, thx... 'COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l' gives me a massive list, when I add the 'COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l \*evolution* | grep ^.i', I get bash: grep^.i: command not found |
| 17:09.45 | GuilhermeBrant | !deb |
| 17:09.46 | dpkg | hmm... deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 17:09.54 | GuilhermeBrant | !sources.list |
| 17:09.54 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:09.56 | zinx | Farris1: perhaps the box is rooted? |
| 17:10.19 | zinx | Farris1: the relevant package is procps, by the way |
| 17:10.27 | enouf | padaky: hrm, drop the | grep stuff, but keep the \*evolution* part |
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| 17:10.47 | enouf | padaky: you're likely not placing a space between grep and ^ |
| 17:10.55 | kantor | mrgenixus, I already wrote such a program, I just asked to know if there is another program like that |
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| 17:11.03 | Farris1 | zinx: No, I'm pretty sure it isn't rooted. It has no outside world access |
| 17:11.03 | berzerka | enigmail cannot be successfully backported, because a symbol from libxul.so is required, but the library is not linked. can i just fix this locally in the configure.in autoconf file or what would you recommend? |
| 17:11.06 | mrgenixus | oh. |
| 17:11.11 | mrgenixus | kantor: my bad |
| 17:11.15 | zinx | Farris1: can you give an example of the commands that require libproc? |
| 17:11.27 | mrgenixus | I think I missunderstood your initial question |
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| 17:11.48 | ozzloy | how do i see what files were installed with a certain apt-get install? |
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| 17:11.52 | zinx | Farris1: in particular, none of the package management commands should need it |
| 17:11.59 | Farris1 | zinx: top, uptime, apt-get, apt-cache... |
| 17:12.06 | \amethyst | ozzloy: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 17:12.13 | ozzloy | \amethyst: thanks |
| 17:12.18 | Farris1 | zinx: Actually, it looks like a glibc issue |
| 17:12.19 | zinx | Farris1: apt-get and apt-cache shouldn't need it; top certainly does.. i don't know about uptime |
| 17:12.29 | zinx | Farris1: glibc shouldn't need it |
| 17:12.48 | debian___ | mrgenixus: yes |
| 17:12.55 | padaky | enouf: aah, yes... the space makes all the difference :-) |
| 17:12.55 | Farris1 | zinx: Right, but apt-get update also throws this: "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08069f08 ***" |
| 17:13.03 | zinx | Farris1: that's unrelated |
| 17:13.14 | zinx | Farris1: and points to a bug in apt-get |
| 17:13.28 | chops | Farris1: FWIW, someone was on yesterday talking about a seg fault in apt-get |
| 17:13.35 | mrgenixus | that was me |
| 17:13.39 | chops | Farris1: It might be worth checking the BTS |
| 17:13.47 | enouf | padaky: note; for any massive lists outputs, pipe it to "| more" or "| less" or any pager .. "apt-get install less", do; "/msg dpkg apt howto" , "/msg dpkg aptitude" also |
| 17:13.47 | ^shark_ | hi guys i am getting this warning when i try to check for ipsec settings in my kernel http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1822 |
| 17:13.57 | enouf | padaky: yes it does ;-0 |
| 17:14.19 | zinx | Farris1: did you follow the section in etch's install guide about upgrading from sarge? |
| 17:14.32 | Farris1 | zinx: Unrelated to the original, particular issue, but I think they're all rooted in a botched dist-upgrade |
| 17:14.41 | Farris1 | zinx: Yes |
| 17:14.44 | ^shark_ | how do i disable Disable ICMP of these warning, i am running etch |
| 17:14.56 | chops | ^shark_: That error message includes instructions on how to fix the problem |
| 17:14.57 | Farris1 | Farris1: (botched by me/mine, not Debian) |
| 17:15.04 | \amethyst | ^shark_: for x in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/accept_redirects; do echo 0 > $x; done |
| 17:15.08 | ericrw | hello |
| 17:15.10 | mrgenixus | Farris1: talking to yourself? |
| 17:15.12 | chops | ^shark_: "Please disable /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/send_redirects", i.e. what \amethyst said |
| 17:15.24 | Farris1 | mrgenixus: It happens :) |
| 17:15.33 | \amethyst | chops: only if you already know how to disable something like that :) |
| 17:15.42 | mrgenixus | Farris1: well, I didn't see you answer yourself |
| 17:15.45 | ericrw | is 'arch' now provided in another package under sid? or was it simply removed!?! |
| 17:15.50 | ^shark_ | chops: like this >> echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/send_redirects |
| 17:15.59 | zinx | Farris1: well, boot from a live CD with dpkg and start installing core etch packages manually |
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| 17:16.05 | ericrw | or do I have to start using 'uname -m' ? :P |
| 17:16.07 | mrgenixus | or refer to yourself of some object as 'precious' -- it seems you sanity is still intact |
| 17:16.14 | chops | \amethyst: Well, why would I give a helpful answer when I can condescendingly imply that the problem lies with the user? :-) |
| 17:16.22 | zinx | Farris1: stuff like glibc, dpkg, apt-get, and what those depend on (which is very little, really) |
| 17:16.23 | Farris1 | zinx: dpkg still appears to be fine, so I may not even need to use a live cd |
| 17:16.31 | zinx | Farris1: ah |
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| 17:16.42 | \amethyst | ^shark_: right, but you must do that for each individual interface too |
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| 17:16.43 | enouf | ericrw: lsb_release? |
| 17:16.47 | zinx | Farris1: be sure to get the etch versions, too; you can check what those are via packages.debian.org |
| 17:16.53 | themill | ericrw: arch is gone; uname -m it is. |
| 17:16.54 | pingouin | !backport |
| 17:17.01 | ericrw | themill: ugh... thanks |
| 17:17.05 | zinx | Farris1: sid/lenny versions will not be happy on etch ;) |
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| 17:17.16 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: and how do i do the same for each interface? |
| 17:17.17 | enouf | thought so |
| 17:17.19 | zinx | Farris1: and avoid using --force if at all possible |
| 17:17.22 | pingouin | !tell pingouin backport |
| 17:17.26 | ericrw | themill: in retrospect, maybe thats not a bad thing, but its annoying since I've used it many times in shell scripts |
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| 17:17.35 | \amethyst | ^shark_: do the same for the other directories there besides all |
| 17:17.43 | zinx | Farris1: (which it should be, unless there are broken packages) |
| 17:17.52 | \amethyst | ^shark_: for file in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/{send,accept}_redirects; do echo 0 > $file; done |
| 17:18.10 | pingouin | hey this stupid bot doesn't answer me, someone can ask him to tell me about backports for etch from lenny or sid, please ;) |
| 17:18.26 | zinx | pingouin: backports.org ? |
| 17:18.33 | themill | !tell pingouin about backports |
| 17:18.43 | pingouin | perfect themill ;) many thanks |
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| 17:18.55 | themill | np |
| 17:19.17 | enouf | pingouin: /msg dpkg msg the bot ;-) |
| 17:19.31 | \amethyst | ^shark_: if you want the setting to be made permanent you can add entries to /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 17:19.47 | enouf | pingouin: /msg dpkg selftell (might be easier to recall) |
| 17:19.51 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: is that how you do that??? |
| 17:20.02 | \amethyst | ^shark_: like net.ipv4.conf.default.accept_redirects=0 |
| 17:20.17 | enouf | too fast for me .. sheesh |
| 17:20.20 | pingouin | enouf: it does not answer me |
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| 17:20.27 | pingouin | enouf: i'm black and jew... |
| 17:20.29 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: like this echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/{send,accept}_redirects; |
| 17:20.30 | enouf | pingouin: are you not registered? |
| 17:20.36 | pingouin | enouf: i am |
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| 17:20.40 | mrgenixus | pingouin: did you say mean things -- may dpkg is giving you the silent treatment |
| 17:20.41 | enouf | pingouin: what? |
| 17:21.04 | \amethyst | ^shark_: unfortunately you can only redirect to a single file at a time |
| 17:21.10 | pingouin | mrgenixus: no...i dont think so.... |
| 17:21.16 | enouf | you're what and what? .. you want to get bitchslapped? well,, do ya punk? |
| 17:21.23 | \amethyst | ^shark_: hm, I guess you could do echo 0 | tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/{send,accept}_redirects |
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| 17:21.30 | \amethyst | ^shark_: that ought to do it |
| 17:21.34 | pingouin | enouf: yeah this bot hate me ;) |
| 17:21.41 | pingouin | enouf: because i'm b and j ;) |
| 17:21.43 | enouf | pingouin: it's not only the bot |
| 17:21.44 | \amethyst | ^shark_: (and also print 0 to the screen) |
| 17:21.44 | mrgenixus | if I engrypt a file using gpg, will anyone with my public key be able to read it? |
| 17:22.00 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: encrypt how? |
| 17:22.00 | pingouin | enouf: i'm muslim also ;) |
| 17:22.11 | enouf | and its not for any other reason than you're a tardturd :-) |
| 17:22.13 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: with someone else's public key, or with your private key? |
| 17:22.20 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: /etc/sysctl.conf is for only the interfaces right? |
| 17:22.35 | pingouin | damn stupid bot... |
| 17:22.36 | \amethyst | ^shark_: /etc/sysctl.conf is for anything under /proc/sys |
| 17:22.42 | mrgenixus | if I encrypt the file using 'gpg --encrypt' who can read it? |
| 17:22.54 | enouf | !hola |
| 17:22.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, hola is Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, you will get more help from there. 000001 001001101 001001010 0001, or 000001 001001101 001001010 0001, or 000001 001001101 001001010 0001 |
| 17:23.01 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: the person you're encrypting it to |
| 17:23.18 | mrgenixus | but that person is me... |
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| 17:23.44 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: then only you can read it |
| 17:23.48 | mrgenixus | so If I encrypt it, gpg will use my public key, and I will only be able to decrypt it using my private key? |
| 17:23.54 | mrgenixus | right? |
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| 17:24.00 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: so i just edit /etc/sysctl.conf to reflec net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter=0 and i am done for the interfaces too right? |
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| 17:24.12 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: if you specify yourself as the recipient, yes |
| 17:24.17 | mrgenixus | ok. |
| 17:24.24 | mrgenixus | how do I backup my key? |
| 17:24.30 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: if you specify someone else, it will use their public key, and only they can decrypt it (not even you) |
| 17:24.46 | mrgenixus | ok. |
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| 17:25.01 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: backing up the whole ~/.gnupg directory would be best IMHO |
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| 17:25.31 | mrgenixus | ok, is there an easier way to do this such that I only have to specify a passphrase to access the file? |
| 17:25.55 | mrgenixus | cause this is to difficult, it's far more likely that I wil lose my key, in this case.... |
| 17:26.05 | mrgenixus | I'm doing a full system backup so I can wipe an reload |
| 17:26.09 | RichiH | hrmpf |
| 17:26.13 | ^shark_ | ok i got some nice tutorial on this here >> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
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| 17:26.26 | RichiH | is there really no way to make apt-get install stuff and pretend it was not installed manually? |
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| 17:26.57 | mrgenixus | RichiH: if you use apt-get to install it, it's not.... |
| 17:27.11 | mrgenixus | please restate, RichiH ? |
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| 17:28.09 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: --symmetric |
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| 17:28.29 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: and it will just ask for a passphrase...? |
| 17:28.31 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: instead of --encrypt that is |
| 17:28.32 | Ahmadinejad | Any information about the performance of Debian? |
| 17:28.33 | wols | RichiH: I told you how |
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| 17:28.41 | Ahmadinejad | Compared eg. to Windows 2003 Server |
| 17:28.44 | wols | Ahmadinejad: stellar perfomance |
| 17:29.02 | wols | Ahmadinejad: fyi your question is nonsensical |
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| 17:29.05 | enouf | ask Microshaft .. they'll know |
| 17:29.23 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: right, gpg --symmetric uses symmetric encryption with a passphrase instead of public-key encryption |
| 17:29.30 | hoxu | RichiH, what do you want to do exactly? :p |
| 17:29.31 | RichiH | wols: i missed that, then :/ |
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| 17:29.46 | mrgenixus | am I going to need my pub/priv key to decrypt it? |
| 17:29.48 | Farris1 | Ah ha! I may have found the issue... Though still not sure what to do. The admin who ran the dist-upgrade mentioned having trouble with linstalled the locales package. What he DIDN'T mention was that he killed it and went on without it (yikes). Now, locales may not be the root cause, but something is keeping dpkg from finishing the install script |
| 17:29.54 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: not if you use --symmetric |
| 17:30.03 | RichiH | hoxu: install stuff without having it marked as manually installed |
| 17:30.10 | Farris1 | it throws a bunch of warnings, like "/usr/share/i18n/locales/iso14651_t1:779: LC_COLLATE: syntax error" and then just hangs |
| 17:30.13 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: no keys are involved at all with --symmetric (unless you also use --encrypt or --sign) |
| 17:30.16 | mrgenixus | I just need the passphrase |
| 17:30.19 | Ahmadinejad | wols: Everything you can't answer is nonsensical? |
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| 17:30.28 | mrgenixus | what if I used -e? |
| 17:30.32 | RichiH | wols: how? |
| 17:30.33 | Ahmadinejad | wols: You lack intellectual acuity |
| 17:30.40 | wols | RichiH: you won't like it.add your automatic additions as a dependency to the main package and build-package it :) |
| 17:30.42 | hoxu | RichiH, can't you just markauto it afterwards? There could be an option for that too |
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| 17:30.52 | wols | basically it's a special richih backport without the backport... |
| 17:31.09 | wols | Ahmadinejad: you lack a brain |
| 17:31.16 | mrgenixus | Ahmadinejad: you're comparing apples and oranges -- your question is nonsensical |
| 17:31.19 | enouf | haha |
| 17:31.25 | wols | you question is simply stupid. end of story |
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| 17:31.40 | RichiH | wols: agreed, i do not like it :) |
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| 17:31.51 | mrgenixus | what do you really want to know Ahmadinejad ? |
| 17:31.56 | wols | RichiH: but I know it works, if I understood what you want correctly :P |
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| 17:31.58 | mrgenixus | which you should use? |
| 17:32.00 | \amethyst | Ahmadinejad: the problem with answering your question is that you didn't give enough information about what you'll be doing with it for us to have any idea how performance might compare |
| 17:32.04 | hoxu | RichiH, man aptitude /<package>\+M |
| 17:32.10 | RichiH | hoxu: i am upgrading a system with almost 1000 updated packages, i do not fancy doing that :p |
| 17:32.22 | wols | hoxu: you are boring :P |
| 17:32.27 | mrgenixus | RichiH: I did that yesterday! |
| 17:32.40 | mrgenixus | only I didn't have an admin screw up my laptop |
| 17:32.54 | RichiH | hoxu: you mean &M, i know about that. i would vastly prefer an option to set, not having to do it for each and every single package |
| 17:32.58 | enouf | RichiH: i'm curious, from where are you seeing this "manually installed" vs, whatever other options there are? |
| 17:33.13 | Ahmadinejad | wols and mrgenixus, you seems scared of Windows 2003 Server? I'm having Debian on my servers, but I'm not scared of trying Windows 2003 Server out, or any other OS. Thats how I got started on using Debian. |
| 17:33.16 | RichiH | enouf: everywhere in debian for the last year or so ;) |
| 17:33.23 | RichiH | enouf: it stems from aptitude |
| 17:33.25 | mrgenixus | enouf: I think he means he can't automatically remove it later, becuase of the way it's installed |
| 17:33.26 | enouf | RichiH: i have nevr seen it |
| 17:33.38 | enouf | but then i guess i don't use aptitude |
| 17:33.42 | mrgenixus | Ahmadinejad: running win2k3 |
| 17:33.43 | RichiH | neither |
| 17:33.45 | wols | Ahmadinejad: we are not scared, but we just don't care. this is #debian. not ##windows |
| 17:33.48 | hoxu | RichiH, to be honest, I still don't understand what your problem is :p |
| 17:33.57 | enouf | me neither |
| 17:34.14 | chops | Ahmadinejad: They're not scared -- it's just that talking about performance in the abstract, without qualifying it with what you're trying to do and how you're planning to do it, is not really possible |
| 17:34.15 | Faragd | Anyone using XEN? I'm getting "Error: int argument required" when trying to create a vps client |
| 17:34.20 | RichiH | hmm |
| 17:34.21 | wols | enouf:, hoxu: my guess is he wants to use the apt-get automremove |
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| 17:34.39 | wols | which breaks when you install a package manually and explicitly with apt-get install package |
| 17:34.43 | enouf | Ahmadinejad: please don't scare us, we scare easily - and you're a big bad boogey man ... please go away you meanie |
| 17:34.45 | RichiH | i can aptitude install, then aptitude markauto. but that will kill the manually installed flag on packages i want to keep it on |
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| 17:35.04 | Ahmadinejad | \amethyst: I want to know more about how to find out how much power is needed for a particular task |
| 17:35.06 | wols | however if you install it as part of a dependncy, it gets uninstalled automagically when you uninstall the main package |
| 17:35.18 | mrgenixus | Ahmadinejad: for example, imho debain CIFS/SMB kicks the crap out of w2k3 but I prefer to administrate remote logins using w2k3 -- though I expect performance to be about the same. |
| 17:35.20 | enouf | wols: news to me, never even noticed an "autoremove" ;-) |
| 17:35.35 | wols | enouf: in lenny and sid. and aptitude does it in etch too |
| 17:35.39 | RichiH | hoxu: 1) i want to not mark packages installed via/for/by debsecan as manually installed, at that is not true. 2) i want to upgrade a system in chunks, same as with 1) |
| 17:35.40 | enouf | ahh.. dependency whiner issues ;-) |
| 17:35.49 | chops | Ahmadinejad: What is your particular task? |
| 17:35.53 | enouf | wols: i see, i guess i never had a need |
| 17:35.53 | Ahmadinejad | enouf: Your world is small :( You're kind of blind |
| 17:35.54 | mrgenixus | from the simply theoretical standpoint, win2k3 should be slower most of the time -- linux doesn't have an accelerated graphical interface by default. |
| 17:35.58 | usr_rob_ | the nfs uses uid, is it possible to map a user to get root access ? |
| 17:36.05 | enouf | Ahmadinejad: but my appendage is HUGE |
| 17:36.11 | enouf | Ahmadinejad: want some? |
| 17:36.25 | mrgenixus | usr_rob_: you need a centralized user database used by both the client and the server |
| 17:36.30 | Ahmadinejad | chops: I want to run a PostgreSQL database, a webserver and a firewall. |
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| 17:36.43 | mrgenixus | Ahmadinejad: linux is WAY faster |
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| 17:36.53 | hoxu | !start a Install-Recommends war |
| 17:36.53 | dpkg | apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I told it to install bacula. *sob* |
| 17:37.05 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: okey, like mysql or ldap ? |
| 17:37.05 | Faragd | XEN, anyone? :D |
| 17:37.05 | wols | Ahmadinejad: unless you reformlaute your questions, your attitude and answer on questions we pose to clarify what you want, you will never get an answer |
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| 17:37.10 | mrgenixus | usr_rob_: like myslq, ldap, nis, nis+ yp |
| 17:37.17 | \amethyst | Ahmadinejad: You can easily run those in half a gig to a gig of RAM |
| 17:37.26 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: okey, thx a lot! |
| 17:37.28 | mrgenixus | but you have to configure a central auth server |
| 17:37.47 | chops | Ahmadinejad: I would expect Debian to outperform Win2003 for the DB and firewall... the web server will depend on a lot of other factors |
| 17:37.48 | \amethyst | Ahmadinejad: unless you get enough load to require a lot of instances of some big web app |
| 17:37.49 | wols | \amethyst: depends on how big the DB is :) |
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| 17:37.58 | enouf | chops: i don't think a troll deserves to get a straight answer once marching in and trying to inflame/incite .. it's worse than "the squeaky wheel gets the oil" syndrome, IMHO |
| 17:38.03 | \amethyst | wols: or how big your cache is anyway |
| 17:38.19 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: seems like a lot to do just to have exec rights on my ftp upload dir. that are exported with nfs |
| 17:38.36 | Ahmadinejad | \amethyst: And then upgrade when the load have got bigger? Or can I make some predictions of how much it can handle? |
| 17:38.36 | \amethyst | wols: I've done databases bigger than anything Ahmadinejad is probably going to do with 256MB of RAM |
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| 17:38.44 | chops | enouf: Depends. One in ten may not be a troll. Even for a troll, I think earnest, polite answers ignoring the inflammatoriness are probably the least satifsying response :-) |
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| 17:38.50 | mrgenixus | usr_rob_: why are you using nfs? I've never gotten it to work the way I thought it should -- I'm interested in your project |
| 17:38.53 | hoxu | RichiH, hmm, are you using aptitude GUI or CLI? |
| 17:39.02 | \amethyst | Ahmadinejad: You might be able to find a benchmark out there that tests similar conditions to your own |
| 17:39.09 | RichiH | cli |
| 17:39.10 | t0mb0y | does anyone know if tcl8.5 is threaded by default and tcl8.4 isnt ? |
| 17:39.14 | \amethyst | Ahmadinejad: but the best way to know is to run the tests yourself |
| 17:39.20 | hoxu | RichiH, I dunno how debsecan handles automarking, that's a different issue... |
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| 17:40.05 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: samba via my openbsd do not work that good between unix/linux |
| 17:40.20 | mrgenixus | usr_rob_: no? |
| 17:40.24 | usr_rob_ | nop |
| 17:40.27 | mrgenixus | sshfs? |
| 17:40.34 | chops | Ahmadinejad: You can surely find a powerful desktop machine nearby... set up a vageuly similar setup on a desktop machine, run a test load on it, see how it performs. That'll give you the best answer in all cases except where the server needs to be extremely powerful. |
| 17:40.36 | enouf | chops: but maybe there was some mild legitmacy about a somewhat harmless question .. yet, not imo, especially in the manner in which it was presented ;-) .. but then agian /ignore is bliss to me too - since that's where my b0z0 box resides |
| 17:40.47 | hoxu | RichiH, is using the GUI an option? :P |
| 17:40.49 | Ahmadinejad | \amethyst: By some tools, or by modify my app to tell the response time .etc? |
| 17:40.56 | usr_rob_ | via windows client to openbsd samba share it works great thou |
| 17:41.26 | mrgenixus | so linux doesn't like being a bsd/samab client? |
| 17:41.41 | chops | Ahmadinejad: You can cut down the power of the desktop machine (for Debian by booting with limited memory or CPUs) to investigate how little you can get away with... more power is generally cheap, though, and upgrading is often painful. Better to overspecify. |
| 17:41.49 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: not on my system setup |
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| 17:42.08 | mrgenixus | hmm. I've seen that -- but the libraried were supposed to be updated |
| 17:42.12 | mrgenixus | I dunno |
| 17:42.20 | mrgenixus | why mix unixies? |
| 17:42.30 | mrgenixus | why linux AND bsd |
| 17:42.34 | bwlang_ | atop says one disk in my raid 1 is maxed out with writes... how can i tell what proces is doing all the disk activity? |
| 17:42.38 | mrgenixus | I would | that. |
| 17:42.41 | Ahmadinejad | chops: Cool, i didnt now that :) |
| 17:42.45 | chops | bwlang_: iotop with recent kernels |
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| 17:42.46 | bwlang_ | weird that both are not maxed out |
| 17:42.58 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: bsd cause i felt i want a minimalistic system |
| 17:43.12 | chops | bwlang_: Are both not configured identically (say, one with DMA and the other not)? That does seem odd, yes. |
| 17:43.14 | mrgenixus | oh -- dig. |
| 17:43.20 | mrgenixus | what GUI are you running onl inux? |
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| 17:43.33 | usr_rob_ | gnome |
| 17:43.37 | bwlang_ | chops: same disks, both sata with default parameters |
| 17:43.48 | mrgenixus | you could use gnome-vfs to access the data trivially. |
| 17:43.50 | chops | bwlang_: Anything in dmesg? Maybe one disk is failing? |
| 17:43.54 | usr_rob_ | used fluxbox, but my needs wanted more |
| 17:44.00 | mrgenixus | unless that's not working |
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| 17:44.50 | bwlang_ | chops: i can't find iotop in debian 4's via apt-get iotop - or apt-cache search iotop = where is this program? |
| 17:44.57 | chops | bwlang_: Running etch? |
| 17:45.09 | Akatemik | Argh. I'm so totally fed up with this motherboard |
| 17:45.21 | RichiH | hoxu: gui is not really an option, no. i need to do this on servers, as well |
| 17:45.25 | Akatemik | Should've known better than to try anything from ATI with Linux |
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| 17:45.40 | chops | Ahmadinejad: np |
| 17:45.51 | bwlang_ | chops: i think so - not sure about the version number to name correlation , i have kernel 2.6.23.12 in there (need it for the disk controller) |
| 17:46.11 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: ohh, you thought i was using openbsd on my client ? use it as the server os |
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| 17:46.20 | chops | bwlang_: Ah, makes sense. Huh, I can't find it in Debian either. Maybe iotop is not yet packaged? I know the Debian kernels support iotop as of recently (i.e. post-etch) |
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| 17:46.29 | chops | bwlang_: Maybe you'll have to download and compile it manually |
| 17:46.45 | mrgenixus | usr_rob_: no -- Ifigured you'd have bsd running as a server -- just assumes that you were using linux as a server |
| 17:46.49 | chops | bwlang_: Anyway, in a RAID-1 it might not do that much good if the other disk is idle... I'd suspect a failing disk, honestly |
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| 17:46.55 | mrgenixus | usr_rob_: or that both were project boxes |
| 17:46.56 | chops | bwlang_: Check /proc/mdstat and dmesg |
| 17:47.06 | mrgenixus | but I usually prefer to stick with on unix at a time. |
| 17:47.12 | usr_rob_ | mrgenixus: no, just for home use |
| 17:47.17 | mrgenixus | right.. |
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| 17:48.14 | usr_rob_ | i got a working mysql on it so i will google on your advice, thx |
| 17:49.00 | mrgenixus | k |
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| 17:49.10 | aboyz | is it me or ebay.com is slow today? |
| 17:49.25 | mrgenixus | I'd get a book on nis, if I could -- it's nothing light-weight afaik |
| 17:49.28 | aboyz | or they under a ddos attack? |
| 17:49.49 | aboyz | I cannot even load the site |
| 17:49.57 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: wols: et. al. thanks for gpg help -- I'm good! yay! |
| 17:50.35 | RichiH | though the whole meaning of alt-fn would be changed |
| 17:50.44 | RichiH | perhaps shift-alt-fn |
| 17:50.57 | chops | RichiH: IIRC something like that is supported with framebuffers |
| 17:51.14 | RichiH | eww, framebuffer |
| 17:51.17 | mrgenixus | lol! |
| 17:51.25 | RichiH | though on ttys, it does have its right of existence |
| 17:51.29 | chops | RichiH: There's some sort of userspace console on framebuffers that supports all sorts of fanciness (including among other things UTF-8 encoding) |
| 17:51.40 | mrgenixus | what I keep looking for a is a good howto on putting multiple independent guis on the same machine |
| 17:51.41 | RichiH | chops: hmm, i need to poke them, then |
| 17:51.50 | chops | RichiH: Yeah, I like VGA console also, but apparently the kernel developers all prefer framebuffers... easier for them :-) |
| 17:51.58 | RichiH | mrgenixus: look at the brazillian school projects, then |
| 17:52.05 | mrgenixus | RichiH: ? |
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| 17:52.30 | RichiH | mrgenixus: they use up to 8 monitor/keyboard/mouse combinations on one pc |
| 17:52.43 | mrgenixus | using fb? X? that's a pretty insane maching |
| 17:53.10 | chops | mrgenixus: Not really. X was written on machines that are far, far less powerful than 1/8th of a modern machine |
| 17:53.11 | mrgenixus | how do they get that many gfx card in on machine? |
| 17:53.20 | chops | mrgenixus: Multiple outputs I presume |
| 17:53.37 | chops | mrgenixus: Mind you, I don't think all the students get to play ut2k4 at one time :-) |
| 17:53.40 | mrgenixus | chops: still that's at least 4 cards, maybe one dual-out onboard |
| 17:53.46 | mrgenixus | chops: yeah.. |
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| 17:54.18 | bwlang_ | chops: strangely after comparing the output of smartctl -a for both drives it's the less busy drive that shows a few read errors... both have passed all their self tests - nothing in dmesg about the disks |
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| 17:55.26 | frog | hi, i have Radeon 8500 LE, using ati driver , debian sid/lenny, metacity, vga. the processor is: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz. glxgears are returning 788 frames in 5.0 seconds = 157.485 FPS in a full screen mode(1280x1024 60Hz). anyhow while running screensaver (for example euphoria) i am getting very high load average(>2). same happens while watching flash movies(i.e. youtube). why is that? am i using wrong graphic drivers? |
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| 17:57.31 | mrgenixus | mpc |
| 17:57.36 | mrgenixus | oops -- sorry |
| 17:57.59 | rdz | hi all. i have a directory tree and i would like to merge it with a directory tree from a svn checkout, so that the files from the checkout overwrite all the files from the original tree. how can i do that? |
| 17:58.24 | mrgenixus | I believe this is the default behavior... |
| 17:58.32 | enouf | bwlang_: perhaps one is NCQ capable or settings are different? same controller for both disks? (i imagine yes for a raid1) .. is that softRAID? mdadm? any LVM or Crypt on top of it? |
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| 18:00.05 | rdz | mrgenixus, you mean me? |
| 18:00.13 | rdz | what do you mean, by this is the default behaviour? |
| 18:00.33 | enouf | bwlang_: i guess dmesg output for each would show any diff in ncq settings, see linux-ata.org for more .. lastly, boot using various elevator= options as listed in the /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt .. but 1st ensure both HDDs are behaving the same, as far as hdparm -i output, dmesg, and such |
| 18:00.33 | mrgenixus | doesn't a checkout overwrite the existing files? |
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| 18:00.45 | rdz | mrgenixus, no it doesn't |
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| 18:00.56 | mrgenixus | and if not, I'd read the manpage to see if there's a force-overwrite |
| 18:01.17 | mrgenixus | you could also do the checkout and then copy your directory overtop and tell cp no to overwrite |
| 18:01.18 | rdz | mrgenixus, i checked the manpage and i asked in #svn and there is no such option |
| 18:01.29 | enouf | chops: yeah. found nothing in kernel nor in debian mentioning iotop yet, but googled and noticed it's solaris dtrace beginnings ;-) |
| 18:01.33 | rdz | mrgenixus, aah.. thanks |
| 18:01.36 | mrgenixus | np |
| 18:01.38 | rdz | that might be the solution |
| 18:02.29 | enouf | bwlang_: actually, you can alter the iosched on the fly, BUT i |
| 18:02.31 | rdz | mrgenixus, how do you specify to _not_ overwrite? |
| 18:02.32 | enouf | gah |
| 18:02.44 | enouf | but, i'm not sure how that pertains to mdadm, or raid |
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| 18:03.56 | bwlang_ | enouf: same drives, same controller, same cables mdadm raid |
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| 18:04.14 | gigo | where is the C include path defined? like /usr/include ? |
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| 18:04.35 | abrotman | ld.so.conf |
| 18:04.35 | chops | gigo: You can pass -I to gcc to add directories to it |
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| 18:04.42 | abrotman | uhm .. i think |
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| 18:05.05 | mike1o | I have just accidently deleted a directroy... is there a way to get it back ?? |
| 18:05.18 | azeem | mike1o: in general: no |
| 18:05.24 | azeem | mike1o: which file system was that directory on? |
| 18:05.28 | mike1o | ext3 |
| 18:05.32 | mrgenixus | rdz: one sec |
| 18:05.33 | bwlang_ | enouf: same output in dmesg during boot (except serial numbers) |
| 18:05.36 | mike1o | azeem, |
| 18:05.37 | azeem | !undelete |
| 18:05.37 | dpkg | it has been said that undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
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| 18:06.03 | bwlang_ | enouf; one drive does have a few read errors- but nothing alarming... |
| 18:06.20 | mrgenixus | rdz! i got it! do you have unionfs installed? |
| 18:06.22 | bwlang_ | I'm not actually sure what atop is looking at to report 100% disk activity... |
| 18:06.42 | mike1o | impossible in etx3? |
| 18:06.49 | rdz | mrgenixus, no |
| 18:06.50 | mike1o | *ext3 |
| 18:06.55 | rdz | mrgenixus, in what way could it help me? |
| 18:06.57 | mike1o | azeem? |
| 18:07.04 | enouf | bwlang_: ok, seems it's not a TCQ/NCQ, dma, nor even a possible drive cache size issue (same drives) .. so, after diags, start toying with the scheduler perhaps - are those drives partitioned? Same Size too? |
| 18:07.09 | mrgenixus | rdz -- also, you could svn checkout and then copy the result over your files using cp and force-overwrite |
| 18:07.16 | mrgenixus | that's trivail |
| 18:07.29 | \amethyst | mike1o: more or less... what kind of file are you hoping to recover? |
| 18:07.33 | rdz | mrgenixus, how can i force overwrite? |
| 18:07.43 | enouf | bwlang_: more about the iosched stuffs http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt . jump up to Parent dir for more |
| 18:07.48 | rdz | mrgenixus, i thought, that cp does overwrite anyway |
| 18:07.49 | mrgenixus | rdz '-f' |
| 18:07.49 | mike1o | a directory of text files |
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| 18:07.52 | mike1o | azeem, |
| 18:07.57 | rdz | mrgenixus, thanks |
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| 18:08.05 | mrgenixus | but that's what you want right? (rz) |
| 18:08.20 | mrgenixus | rdz: you would have gotten it eventually |
| 18:08.25 | enouf | bwlang_: i also like the idea of compliling iotop as mentioned |
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| 18:08.31 | mrgenixus | ps |
| 18:08.34 | mrgenixus | oops |
| 18:08.54 | azeem | mike1o: yes, impossible apparently |
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| 18:09.25 | \amethyst | mike1o: you might try something like strings /dev/sda1 > someotherfilesystem/stuff and search through that file for the text that was there |
| 18:09.33 | Maximi89 | hi all |
| 18:09.41 | bwlang_ | enouf, chops: i'll try to get iotop running to figure this out. |
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| 18:09.49 | Maximi89 | who have mount a server with bidirectional sync? |
| 18:10.01 | rdz | mrgenixus, it didn't help... i did: 'cp -ar new_repos/* old_repos' and then 'cd old_repos' and 'svn update' and it gives me the error: 'svn: Failed to add directory 'extra': object of the same name already exists' |
| 18:10.19 | mrgenixus | svn checkout into empty |
| 18:10.20 | rdz | however, in 'new_repos' i can do svn update |
| 18:10.26 | chops | bwlang_: Like I said, I think I was wrong to recommend iotop if it's a RAID1 volume... was there anything in dmesg or /proc/mdstat that was interesting? |
| 18:10.31 | mike1o | \amethyst, ...mmm sounds freaky... I have more than one file |
| 18:10.32 | chops | Maximi89: I have, I used rsync |
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| 18:10.46 | \amethyst | mike1o: then you have a lot of work to do |
| 18:10.54 | Maximi89 | chops: but rsync use much CPU, true? |
| 18:10.56 | rdz | mrgenixus, mrgenixus the dir new_repos is done by svn co into an empty dir |
| 18:10.56 | mrgenixus | rdz: svn checkout into empty and then copy |
| 18:11.03 | rdz | mrgenixus, that is what i did |
| 18:11.03 | Maximi89 | chops: and Unison? |
| 18:11.09 | chops | Maximi89: I used one directory each for the a->b direction and the b->a direction, but in theory you should be able to bidirectional with the right arguments |
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| 18:11.12 | mrgenixus | and it doesn't work? |
| 18:11.14 | \amethyst | mike1o: make sure you put the output file on another filesystem, so that it doesn't overwrite part of the data you' |
| 18:11.15 | rdz | new_repos is a fresh and complete check out |
| 18:11.19 | chops | Maximi89: It doesn't use too much that I know of |
| 18:11.26 | \amethyst | mike1o: you're trying to recover |
| 18:11.29 | enouf | mike1o: i guess ddrescue + dd_rhelp , then painstakenly searching/weeding through result is your only hope - testdisk has a tool called "photorec" which recognizes various file types as shown in their file header |
| 18:11.40 | rdz | mrgenixus, no, for some reason i cannot copy it over the old one in a way, that svn thinks, this is the new one |
| 18:11.59 | Maximi89 | chops: you can give me a good manual of Rsync? |
| 18:12.02 | enouf | mike1o: mount your HDD ro, so no more damage is done |
| 18:12.06 | chops | Maximi89: man rsync |
| 18:12.11 | mrgenixus | so your current version is in old_repos? and you want to overwrite it with the current version? |
| 18:12.11 | enouf | heh |
| 18:12.18 | chops | Maximi89: What all are you syncing back and forth? |
| 18:12.23 | rdz | mrgenixus, exactly |
| 18:12.34 | rdz | because i ahve a lot of personal stuff in old_repos |
| 18:12.42 | mrgenixus | so you ran a svn checkout in new_repos (which is empty)? |
| 18:12.44 | enouf | mike1o: i mean mount your partition/Filesystem ro |
| 18:12.50 | Maximi89 | chops: but that manual explain very well howto configure in bidirectional mode? |
| 18:12.50 | rdz | mrgenixus, exactly |
| 18:13.11 | mrgenixus | and then you copy new_repos over old_repos? |
| 18:13.14 | chops | Maximi89: There's not a simple way to do bidirectional, really... what exactly are you doing? |
| 18:13.14 | Maximi89 | chops: is data from Miami, EEUU, to Santiago of Chile |
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| 18:13.29 | chops | Maximi89: There are some complex ways that approximately work :-) |
| 18:13.38 | rdz | mrgenixus, that is what i tried with 'cp -ar', but somhow it didn't work in a way to fool svn |
| 18:13.49 | vsayikiran | does any one know how to use movixmaker-2 and k3b together |
| 18:13.52 | mrgenixus | rdz -- di dyou copy the hidden files? |
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| 18:14.04 | Eznora | hello |
| 18:14.05 | mrgenixus | the '.*' files |
| 18:14.08 | \amethyst | rdz: probably because you copied the .svn directories from the other version |
| 18:14.12 | mrgenixus | Eznora: good morning |
| 18:14.15 | rdz | mrgenixus, i used 'cp -ar' which is supposed to copy the .* file as well |
| 18:14.15 | Maximi89 | chops: i need put information in a dispositive andthat need be send to the other Dispositive, and the same with the other hardware |
| 18:14.21 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 18:14.26 | Eznora | morning? |
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| 18:14.38 | chops | Maximi89: Is it possible to split it into one directory that goes a->b and another that goes b->a? |
| 18:14.41 | rdz | \amethyst, i copied the .svn files from the new checkout to the old |
| 18:14.47 | mrgenixus | but then you can't add your additions to the repository, because it doesn't recognize the checkout |
| 18:14.49 | chops | Maximi89: That's very straightforward |
| 18:14.51 | Eznora | hey |
| 18:14.54 | Farris1 | When installing locales from etch, it hangs at "Generating locales (this might take a while)...". LoadAVG goes through the roof, and it sits there without finishing. It ran for 24 hours and never progressed. Any way to fix this manually? |
| 18:15.00 | vsayikiran | somebody help me out, i have installed movixmaker-2 but i am not able to run it in k3b |
| 18:15.11 | rdz | acgtually, in old_repos there weren't any .svn files, because it was from a cvs checkout |
| 18:15.12 | chops | Farris1: How many locales did you enable? What hardware? |
| 18:15.16 | Maximi89 | chops: that can be, but how i will explain this to the newbie users |
| 18:15.18 | Maximi89 | ? |
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| 18:15.30 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: you want to run it 'in |
| 18:15.31 | rdz | the problem is, that repos changed from cvs to svn, that is why i need to checkout everything again |
| 18:15.33 | mrgenixus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.35 | vsayikiran | somebody help me out, i have installed movixmaker-2 but i am not able to run it in k3b |
| 18:15.37 | chops | Maximi89: Just as I said to you |
| 18:15.38 | rdz | but i don't want to lose my personal stuff |
| 18:15.40 | Maximi89 | chops: can be "sender" and "receive" |
| 18:15.57 | Maximi89 | chops: Thanks! |
| 18:15.59 | Farris1 | chops: Originally only enabled one. It's a 2-proc Xeon box |
| 18:16.02 | chops | Maximi89: I would do /whatever/santiago and /whatever/miami |
| 18:16.07 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: repeating the same thing will NEVER get a response in this channel if noone responded to the first time |
| 18:16.09 | Maximi89 | chops: really, i will try that! |
| 18:16.16 | Maximi89 | bye! |
| 18:16.24 | chops | Maximi89: Then make the "foreign" directory read-only on each machine, and use rsync to keep them in sync |
| 18:16.26 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: what do yoy mean you want it to run 'in' k3b |
| 18:16.28 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: yes i mean K3B |
| 18:16.28 | bikedude880 | I'm trying to figure out how to overlay the output of a command onto the XFCE desktop environment |
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| 18:16.43 | chops | Maximi89: The only problem is that from time to time you'll have to explain why the appropriate directory is read-only to someone :-) |
| 18:16.49 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: K3B is a package for writing CD in KDE |
| 18:17.00 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: there are lots of tools that write cd |
| 18:17.05 | enouf | vsayikiran: maybe try #debian-kde .. not many of us here know of, nor care about movie<whatever> |
| 18:17.12 | chops | Maximi89: You could also look into using coda... but that might be overengineering; I've never tried using it |
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| 18:17.24 | \amethyst | !desktop terminal > bikedude880 |
| 18:17.32 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: does movixmaker-2 not do the writing itself? |
| 18:17.57 | Maximi89 | chops: again thanks for all1 |
| 18:18.01 | carrett | hey guys, when i ssh in to my box, i only see colors inside of screen, is there a way to make colors work (in things like irssi, vim, etc.) outside of screen? someone mentioned $TERM, my $TERM is xterm. |
| 18:18.01 | chops | Maximi89: np |
| 18:18.09 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: even i dont care about movies , i am using GNOME , but i have installed K3B which is KDE pacakge and it is running fine |
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| 18:18.29 | enouf | vsayikiran: i hope atleast you are running debian, and not some variant thereof |
| 18:18.48 | vsayikiran | enouf: yes i am using debian etch |
| 18:18.50 | mrgenixus | but you're trying to use movixmaker-2? which creates bootable disk images? and you want to write them to a cd? |
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| 18:19.34 | enouf | vsayikiran: maybe the debian pkg 'bootcd' is for you |
| 18:19.42 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: but K3B uses movixmaker-2 to create bootable media disks |
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| 18:20.09 | enouf | bah, use genisoimage and friends |
| 18:20.13 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: yes i want to create a bootable movie disk |
| 18:20.20 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: based on what I see about movixmaker-2 is that it is standalone |
| 18:20.33 | assasukasse | hi, someone can explain me why there is iceweasel in debian while there is firefox in ubuntu? |
| 18:20.53 | mrgenixus | assasukasse: becuase debian wanted to be different |
| 18:20.59 | assasukasse | thanks mrgenixus |
| 18:21.01 | themill | !why iceweasel |
| 18:21.01 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information. |
| 18:21.02 | bikedude880 | assasukasse: Licensing |
| 18:21.19 | themill | mrgenixus: that's neither accurate nor helpful |
| 18:21.53 | vsayikiran | enouf: why i installed movixmaker is because i am not able to write VCD disk using avi file, K3B gives me a message that it only supports mpeg format |
| 18:22.09 | mrgenixus | well -- according to dpkg i'm right. they have to call it something else, because they don't want to do it the way everyone else does... e.g. they WANT to be DIFFERENT |
| 18:22.21 | assasukasse | that's a good point |
| 18:22.28 | assasukasse | but in short, is just a matter of names? |
| 18:22.39 | mrgenixus | assasukasse: kindof -- and distribution policy |
| 18:22.39 | themill | assasukasse: yes, it's just a matter of names |
| 18:22.41 | vsayikiran | enouf: did you got what i am saying |
| 18:22.49 | enouf | vsayikiran: seen 'tovid'? |
| 18:22.51 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: so then you know the answer |
| 18:23.05 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: you have to trascode your movie to mpeg |
| 18:23.18 | assasukasse | oh well thanks! |
| 18:23.21 | mrgenixus | if that's what movixmaker requires |
| 18:23.34 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: which pacakge is required to transcode |
| 18:23.36 | Eznora | assasukasse hi |
| 18:23.44 | mrgenixus | assasukasse: there's actually stilla simlink for firefox still |
| 18:23.56 | bikedude880 | Bah, how hard is it to overlay the output of a command (not in a terminal window) onto the desktop? |
| 18:23.59 | chops | mrgenixus: No, the Mozilla foundation _demanded_ that Debian change the name (or comply with some requirements that would have made it substantially different from other Debian packages; e.g. no security updates to stable) |
| 18:24.04 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: you can use gstreamer, vlc, transcode or many other apps to actually do that |
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| 18:24.15 | enouf | ffmpeg and/or mencoder |
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| 18:24.34 | chops | mrgenixus: I'm not sure how you got from dpkg saying "Debian cannot ... call it firefox" to "they WANT to be DIFFERENT"... |
| 18:24.45 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: i want to use movixmaker because that was an alternative option for writing VCD's |
| 18:24.46 | enouf | tovid is made for VCD/SVCD |
| 18:24.47 | mrgenixus | chops: I stand corrected. |
| 18:25.10 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: see enouf's comment above |
| 18:25.14 | rdz | when i do 'cp -a yoyo yaya', and both contain folders with same names, but different timestamps, shouldn't there be same timestamps for all the directory after executing the copy? |
| 18:25.22 | rdz | *exectuing 'cp' |
| 18:25.26 | assasukasse | hi Eznora |
| 18:25.34 | vsayikiran | mrgenixus: so to use movixmaker K3B package required me to install movixmaker but K3b is not able to run it |
| 18:25.43 | bwlang_ | chops: nothing in dmesg or /proc/mdstat ... maybe it is a failing disk - but i still want to know about what process is causing this disk activity (even if it doesn't explain why only one disk is at 100% usage) |
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| 18:25.55 | Liono | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.02 | bwlang_ | chops: heck, maybe atop is just wrong about the usage |
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| 18:26.10 | vsayikiran | enouf: i am having ffmpeg, so please give me any tips how to convert .avi file to mpeg |
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| 18:26.29 | mrgenixus | Liono: ?huh? you want to syncronize accounts accross a network so that you have univesal login for multiple unique clients? |
| 18:26.37 | Joelito | How can I update from "r1" to "r2" without downloading and installing from the ISO? |
| 18:26.45 | ^shark_ | where can find a file that this command edits >> echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects |
| 18:26.47 | mrgenixus | Joelito: of what? |
| 18:26.53 | enouf | vsayikiran: i never bothered, but ihave mnay nice bookmarks dealing with it - from googling ;-) |
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| 18:27.07 | rdz | is there a way to cp without overwriting? |
| 18:27.09 | Liono | mrgenixus no. each user has seperate account and seperate client machine. (making a net cafe) |
| 18:27.19 | mrgenixus | ok. |
| 18:27.23 | ^shark_ | rdz: just rename the file |
| 18:27.32 | Joelito | debian r1 -> debian r2 |
| 18:27.33 | themill | Joelito: "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" will do it for you as long as you have both deb lines for a normal mirror and security |
| 18:27.44 | ^shark_ | rdz: cp file1 file2 |
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| 18:27.46 | mrgenixus | Liono: and you only administrer the server, not the clients? |
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| 18:27.57 | vsayikiran | enouf: are you sure that ffmpeg can convert AVI files to mpeg |
| 18:28.05 | Joelito | themill: Nice to see you again :) |
| 18:28.10 | bwlang_ | screw this... i'm buying some new disks.. |
| 18:28.14 | Liono | mrgenixus yes |
| 18:28.20 | bwlang_ | do sas drives work on an sata controller? |
| 18:28.20 | mrgenixus | vsayikiran: should -- you'd need to check the documentation for the program |
| 18:28.24 | Liono | mrgenixus i set privilages. |
| 18:28.28 | bwlang_ | or is that the other way around? |
| 18:28.29 | Joelito | themill: what to do when debian r2 doesn't detect my network card |
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| 18:28.36 | vsayikiran | enouf: please give me those bookmark links |
| 18:28.37 | bwlang_ | can't find any 15K sata drives |
| 18:28.46 | mrgenixus | Liono: but you want them to log in inoder to access files? the internet? another service yo administer? |
| 18:28.51 | ubd | hello i installed debian but i have no user set i can logged in as root without passwd and set a passwd for root but i need to create a user how will i do that |
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| 18:29.05 | themill | Joelito: what is the network card? (lspci -nn | grep -i net) |
| 18:29.13 | Liono | mrgenixus yes |
| 18:29.18 | helo | hmm... i made this netinst usb key, and regardless of which release i select i get the "No kernel modules were found" error |
| 18:29.18 | mrgenixus | ubd -- one uses useradd or adduser -- either will work |
| 18:29.27 | Liono | mrgenixus yes but not as admins. |
| 18:29.28 | ubd | thanks mate |
| 18:29.29 | Joelito | themill: one sec |
| 18:29.42 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.50 | ^shark_ | kindly |
| 18:30.05 | mrgenixus | Liono: right. which services do you need them to log in for? should these be permanent accounts, do you want them to self-signup or do you want to sign them up? |
| 18:30.19 | rdz | ^shark_, when i do 'mv yoyo yaya' it won't merge files, will it? it will just remove dir yaya completely and rename yoyo to yaya |
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| 18:30.31 | Joelito | themill: Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 01) |
| 18:30.32 | rdz | ^shark_, but that is not what i want |
| 18:30.33 | enouf | heh, do "ffmpeg -formats" and man ffmpeg, or use tovid |
| 18:30.57 | \amethyst | ^shark_: what do you mean? |
| 18:31.10 | helo | i tihnk cp -r will merge... try it |
| 18:31.17 | rdz | vsayikiran, or ask the experts from #ffmpeg |
| 18:31.21 | Liono | mrgenixus presigned up. i may del or make new accounts. i mainly just want users to brows. download, use messengers like amsn or msn messenger by wine . yahoo msnger or openoffice. NOTHING ELSE. |
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| 18:31.30 | \amethyst | ^shark_: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects is the (virtual) file that that command writes to, but I think you knew that |
| 18:31.42 | enouf | vsayikiran: here's just one http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/avi-to-dvd-with-ffmpeg-and-dvdauthor/ |
| 18:32.04 | themill | Joelito: the r8169 driver should support that, but only from 2.6.24. You will need a newer installer to install etch using the network card. |
| 18:32.09 | mrgenixus | Liono: so this is a desktop machine? |
| 18:32.10 | themill | !tell Joelito about kmuto |
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| 18:32.18 | Liono | mrgenixus yes |
| 18:32.24 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: i am actually a newbie and i thank you very much for your help |
| 18:32.35 | Liono | mrgenixus what should i do. how to do it |
| 18:32.39 | mrgenixus | and they're using it, but you want to limit what's installed? |
| 18:32.42 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: so this command has nothing to do with editing a file? |
| 18:32.49 | \amethyst | ^shark_: the things in /proc aren't real files |
| 18:32.52 | helo | rdz: tar is good at merging files too |
| 18:33.01 | \amethyst | ^shark_: they are "virtual" files that represent the state of the system |
| 18:33.02 | mrgenixus | Liono: and you want each user to have an account? |
| 18:33.02 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: i thought i could edit this file directly |
| 18:33.05 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: thanks |
| 18:33.13 | mrgenixus | but you don't want them to install anything in the machine? |
| 18:33.16 | themill | rdz: it sounds like rsync might be helpful for you |
| 18:33.26 | \amethyst | ^shark_: you can... writing to that file will actually change the setting immediately (as soon as you save) |
| 18:33.31 | rdz | themill, i'll try |
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| 18:33.43 | \amethyst | ^shark_: but since they're not real files, the change won't be preserved across reboots |
| 18:33.45 | Liono | mrgenixus i need the clients to use internet... some apps. may be some files. i think every one will have to have an account. i mean each machine? |
| 18:33.52 | Joelito | themill: Are all netinstall? |
| 18:33.56 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: i see! |
| 18:34.00 | \amethyst | ^shark_: that's why you'd use sysctl.conf to make the setting permanent |
| 18:34.23 | \amethyst | ^shark_: alternatively, you can add the command you want to /etc/rc.local (and make it executable) |
| 18:34.31 | mrgenixus | Liono: make sure they're not in a group that can 'sudo' and install then install what you want -- and use pidgin for instant messaging... installing yahoo-messenger or windows mesenger in wine seems loike a bad idea |
| 18:34.39 | \amethyst | ^shark_: the echo 0 > /proc/sys/blah command that is |
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| 18:34.40 | themill | Joelito: pretty much... they're actually a usb boot image |
| 18:34.57 | Liono | mrgenixus ok but what do i need to do? |
| 18:35.03 | mrgenixus | if you have multiple desktop machines (workstations) but want to syncronize accounts, you're going to have to use an authentication server |
| 18:35.07 | chops | bwlang_: iotop will help with that, yes |
| 18:35.28 | rdz | themill, thanks rsync worked perfectly, but i still get an error, when doing 'svn update' in the merged directory.... this is driving me nuts |
| 18:35.34 | Liono | mrgenixus ok but what do i need to do? |
| 18:35.37 | mrgenixus | Liono: there are a number of ways to do that; you can use a single mysql server, or an ldap server |
| 18:35.39 | Joelito | themill: are they all r2, or just etch 4.0? |
| 18:36.04 | mrgenixus | well, you have linux installed already on each of these? |
| 18:36.09 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: this is how i have set up my /etc/sysctl.conf http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1826 |
| 18:36.12 | \amethyst | Liono: you might look at http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/LDAP-HOWTO/ |
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| 18:36.26 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: and now things work like a charm for me |
| 18:36.27 | themill | Joelito: I imagine they are built on the latest packages, but I'm not sure. |
| 18:36.36 | themill | rdz: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:36.43 | Liono | mrgenixus ldap? |
| 18:36.45 | Bronsky | Hi ! |
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| 18:36.55 | yoluca | hi |
| 18:37.00 | Bronsky | Somebody know how extract large file with unrar ? |
| 18:37.08 | yoluca | did anyone installed Sun Looking glass Desktop environment ? |
| 18:37.09 | mrgenixus | Liono: it's designed to be a flexible database that self-replicates -- good for authentication |
| 18:37.10 | \amethyst | ^shark_: I think it's preferred to use dots in sysctl.conf instead of slashes, but either works |
| 18:37.14 | Bronsky | unrar-free: invalid archive 'windows.rar': Value too large for defined data type |
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| 18:37.39 | themill | Bronsky: try the unrar from non-free |
| 18:37.46 | mrgenixus | Liono: you can use that howto that \amethyst linked to to set it up on your clients/server |
| 18:37.47 | \amethyst | Liono: LDAP is what Windows people call "Active Directory" |
| 18:37.52 | Bronsky | same probelm |
| 18:37.54 | \amethyst | Liono: more or less |
| 18:37.57 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: you have been a real big help, one more question though.. |
| 18:37.58 | g0rd0n | i want to self-compile a kernel with debian sources, what do i have to type to dpkg to get info? i remember it was somthing with "mantra" |
| 18:38.00 | g0rd0n | anyone? :) |
| 18:38.05 | themill | !kp mantra |
| 18:38.05 | dpkg | i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 18:38.19 | Joelito | themill: Thanks, just one question, what packages do I need to play videos (mov, qt, realmedia, flv, etc) |
| 18:38.34 | yoluca | i try to install Sun Looking glass desktop environment and i get the fallow error http://pastebin.ca/900437 |
| 18:38.37 | themill | Joelito: grab those from debian-multimedia.org. /msg dpkg dmme |
| 18:38.41 | Liono | mrgenixus \amethyst whats the main theme i should go for. 1.install linux os on the server. then make accounts for each client machine. say 10 accounts. then connect the machines by lan wires and lan card. then what? |
| 18:38.45 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: technically they are descreet technologies such that ad requires and uses ldap, but ad is an implementation of authentication/user management using ldap (iirc) |
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| 18:38.56 | rdz | themill, i have an old checkout out with a lot of personal files in there. now the repos changed from cvs to svn that is why i have to check out everything fromm scratch. however i don't to lose my personal stuff, so i am trying to find a way to copy a fresh svn checkout over my old checkout, so that i can work with svn in the old structure, where all my personal files are |
| 18:39.12 | rdz | *want |
| 18:39.19 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: true, you can use LDAP for lot more than just user accounts |
| 18:39.21 | mrgenixus | Liono: I would almost use a windows machine as the ldap server, actually, If I could afford it |
| 18:39.22 | themill | Joelito: You'll find the win32codecs package there that will do most things for you. |
| 18:39.31 | Joelito | themill: cool, thanks :) |
| 18:39.33 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: I guess AD = LDAP + pam_ldap + nss_ldap + ... |
| 18:39.47 | ^shark_ | \amethyst: have a look at this http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1827 |
| 18:39.53 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: that's -- yeah that's closer to how it works |
| 18:39.58 | Liono | mrgenixus i ll use linux only |
| 18:40.05 | Liono | mrgenixus \amethyst whats the main theme i should go for. 1.install linux os on the server. then make accounts for each client machine. say 10 accounts. then connect the machines by lan wires and lan card. then what? |
| 18:40.06 | bwlang_ | what's the best SAS disk controller for use in debian? |
| 18:40.08 | mrgenixus | Liono: that ldap howto is what you want.. |
| 18:40.17 | mrgenixus | if you're sure you want to use accounts.. |
| 18:40.17 | Liono | ok |
| 18:40.23 | themill | rdz: can you cvs diff ; patch? Or are you adding new files etc too. |
| 18:40.25 | bwlang_ | ie: is there one with much better driver support in the stock kernel? |
| 18:40.26 | mrgenixus | I set up a netcafe without it and it worked well |
| 18:40.34 | Liono | mrgenixus do i have a choice not to use accounts? |
| 18:40.46 | g0rd0n | themill: how do i proceed if the kernel sources package gets updated? just extract, copy .config file and compile with same command? |
| 18:40.48 | mrgenixus | Liono: you can use a single auto-signon account |
| 18:40.56 | \amethyst | ^shark_: I think "default" is the default for newly-created interfaces |
| 18:41.02 | rdz | themill, my personal files aren't part of the repository.. i just put them there becaus it was convenient for some reasons |
| 18:41.04 | \amethyst | ^shark_: I'm not sure how "all" works, exactly |
| 18:41.21 | mrgenixus | and then rewrite the user homedir at bootup with a default config so if stuff gets changed, you just overwrite it fromt the backup version |
| 18:41.27 | mrgenixus | set autologin in gdm |
| 18:41.32 | Liono | mrgenixus you mean one acounts. accesses at the same time with all users? |
| 18:41.32 | themill | g0rd0n: yep, that should work fine. |
| 18:41.38 | mrgenixus | Liono: right |
| 18:41.38 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.41 | rdz | themill, the problem is not that i want to keep my files untouched.. the problem is that i had file, which weren't part of the repos and i want to have them as well in the svn checkout |
| 18:41.45 | mrgenixus | it's a public machine |
| 18:41.50 | g0rd0n | themill: thanks |
| 18:41.57 | mrgenixus | most people will assume that's going to be the case anyways |
| 18:42.06 | mrgenixus | then you setup one account how you want it. |
| 18:42.10 | mrgenixus | save the settings |
| 18:42.11 | themill | rdz: hmm.... and after you copy around these extra files, svn suddenly thinks that it's not an svn checkout? |
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| 18:42.18 | mrgenixus | distribute it accross all the machines |
| 18:42.27 | Liono | mrgenixus i want to keep record of machine usage to charge each user. well actully i theoried that i would make one server. that will handle all clients. and open up mulitple cyber cafes. each client would only run. a browser, irc client. msn messenger . yahoo messenger. open office. and none else. |
| 18:42.28 | Liono | each client would be given a ticket by some app. for one hour usage. after that one hour it would lock the screen. then another ticket. each ticket counts and i can collect the money at day end. (i wouldnt be required to physicaly sit there. just an employee to moniter and take cash. what do you say |
| 18:42.43 | rdz | themill, since there is no way to distinguish what is part of the repos and what is just my stuff, i tried to copy a fresh svn checkout over the old copy, so that i can use svn in the old directory, but it keeps failing |
| 18:42.44 | ^shark_ | i have to go home now guys -- good night from here |
| 18:42.53 | ubd | ho can i update kernel |
| 18:42.54 | Liono | mrgenixus i think it wont be managable by a single account.. for each pc. will it? |
| 18:43.04 | mrgenixus | Liono: why not |
| 18:43.11 | rdz | themill, i did 'cp -ar new_checkout old_dir' |
| 18:43.14 | mrgenixus | Liono: I don't have a user-account at the laundrymat |
| 18:43.15 | Liono | mrgenixus read the text first pls |
| 18:43.19 | rdz | themill, not the other way around |
| 18:43.29 | mrgenixus | Liono: I did. |
| 18:43.40 | mrgenixus | but you could run it like a laundry |
| 18:43.53 | rdz | themill, however, in old_dir, i cannot do 'svn update', it says:'svn: Failed to add directory 'extra': object of the same name already exists' |
| 18:43.57 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: he's not talking about one account per user, rather one account per machine |
| 18:44.06 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: oh. |
| 18:44.14 | Liono | mrgenixus ok. you mean one account. same for all users. same destop. if one downloads files. its available for all other too ? |
| 18:44.15 | rdz | i don't see, why svn wants to add a directory, if it is already there |
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| 18:44.23 | mrgenixus | Liono: right. |
| 18:44.28 | mrgenixus | they go away when machine reboots |
| 18:45.07 | \amethyst | Liono: if someone saves a file on the desktop, should it be available to the next person to log in at that computer? |
| 18:45.10 | Liono | mrgenixus how exactly to do that then? |
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| 18:45.14 | themill | rdz: you're stretching my knowledge of svn here. I only use it, not break it :) Perhaps #svn can help? |
| 18:45.24 | Liono | \amethyst yes |
| 18:45.36 | \amethyst | Liono: and what about people who log in at other computers? |
| 18:45.45 | mrgenixus | well, you have to have a mechanism to signal payment has been received, and setup a program to lock the screen if payment hasn't been received by 'x' time |
| 18:46.14 | Liono | \amethyst its a net cafe. i dont mind who everlogs |
| 18:46.19 | mrgenixus | this type of situation doesn't even require anything complicated |
| 18:46.21 | rdz | themill, thank you a lot anyway.. yeah, i am still trying to reach someone in #svn, but no response yet |
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| 18:47.03 | themill | rdz: there's also #subversion. No idea which one they actually use. |
| 18:47.06 | mrgenixus | Liono: \amethyst: if I understand, the key is: I walk into cafe, and buy credit. |
| 18:47.15 | rdz | themill, ah, thanks.. i'll try |
| 18:47.15 | Liono | mrgenixus how to set up a signon account then. and are there any advantages to make each machine a different account |
| 18:47.25 | mrgenixus | Liono: \amethyst: then the computer I want to use activates (employee enables) |
| 18:47.31 | \amethyst | mrgenixus: or ticket enables |
| 18:47.38 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: right |
| 18:48.02 | mrgenixus | Liono: \amethyst: then when time runs out, xscreensaver locks screen (user doesn't know password) |
| 18:48.12 | Liono | mrgenixus if its one account. how will i diffrentiate each machine? |
| 18:48.18 | mrgenixus | user buys more credit, employee unlocks screen (remotely) |
| 18:48.27 | mrgenixus | liono (ip address, hostname) |
| 18:48.32 | Liono | ok |
| 18:48.37 | neo2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.47 | Liono | any more automated system |
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| 18:49.11 | mrgenixus | Liono: then print id'd tickets with set value, create database of tickets, with values, expired (used). |
| 18:49.14 | Liono | oh yes. how about making auto logs of "unlocks" made by employee ? |
| 18:49.28 | Liono | mrgenixus yes. nice. |
| 18:49.29 | I440r | is it possible to do a debian install to an external USB hard drive while booted into gentoo? |
| 18:49.40 | Liono | mrgenixus but how to doall that... ? |
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| 18:49.41 | mrgenixus | liono, you're going to have to write a term or gtk app anyways, just create a log file |
| 18:49.53 | mrgenixus | liono, if you don't know -- you need help probably |
| 18:49.59 | Liono | mrgenixus i cant write |
| 18:50.00 | mrgenixus | it's not precisely trivial |
| 18:50.19 | mrgenixus | that region are you in? |
| 18:50.25 | Liono | pakistan |
| 18:50.35 | mrgenixus | Liono: hmm -- I don't know anyone there... |
| 18:51.09 | Liono | do i need kiosk? |
| 18:51.38 | mrgenixus | Liono: not sure I understand the question |
| 18:51.53 | themill | Liono: to lock: ssh host "DISPLAY=:0.0 kdesktop_lock --forcelock" ; to unlock: ssh host killall kdesktop_lock |
| 18:51.53 | Liono | some body siad i do |
| 18:52.06 | mrgenixus | themill: that's kde or gnome? |
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| 18:52.18 | rdz | themill, hm.. thinking again about it, i come to the conclusion, that it is probably not only a svn-related problem. i have two directories with very similar layout. let's call them 'old' and 'new'. i would like to merge them in a way, so that if a certain file exists in both, it should be taken from 'new' and also with directories, if they exist in both, they resulting directory should have the permissions and timestampts from 'new'. how can i do that? |
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| 18:52.45 | Liono | themill i want it to auto lock screen after every 60 minuts |
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| 18:53.17 | apollo13 | hi, there was a command to update some usb device ids (or something similar). what was it called? (Yeah I know, my question is a bit vague, but maybe someone can help) |
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| 18:53.48 | mrgenixus | Liono: so use 'at now +60min "DISPLAY=:0.0 kdesktop_lock --forcelock"' |
| 18:54.09 | Nyle | good morning |
| 18:54.21 | mrgenixus | morning Nyle |
| 18:54.52 | Liono | it will keep locking screen after every 60 minutes for ever..? i want it to lock it auto after 60 minuts of unlock |
| 18:55.34 | mrgenixus | Liono, you've got a lot of steps before you get that far. |
| 18:55.47 | enouf | Nyle: how goes kernel? moo? |
| 18:55.52 | Liono | mrgenixus and the stats of how many unlocking has been done should be kept on the server. unaccesable by the employee (protected by password) |
| 18:56.08 | mrgenixus | Liono: right. |
| 18:56.08 | Nyle | I been sleeping |
| 18:56.08 | Liono | mrgenixus ill run a script that runs at boot time |
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| 18:56.16 | Liono | mrgenixus but is that the script? |
| 18:56.18 | mrgenixus | Liono: you need more than that. |
| 18:56.30 | enouf | so mao, no moo |
| 18:56.34 | Nyle | ok this is stupid. My mom yells at me for never calling her, and when I actually do call her, no one ever picks up the phone |
| 18:56.36 | Liono | hm |
| 18:56.42 | mrgenixus | Liono: gimme a sec |
| 18:56.45 | Liono | o |
| 18:56.47 | Liono | ok |
| 18:56.50 | enouf | answering machine for evidence? |
| 18:56.53 | Nyle | thunder, thunder! THUNDER! THUNDER CATS hooooooo |
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| 18:57.04 | Nyle | enouf: of course not |
| 18:57.12 | Nyle | I know my parents never check messages |
| 18:57.27 | enouf | Nyle: maybe she doesn't understand how call waiting [BOOP] works ;-) |
| 18:57.37 | Nyle | enouf: she does |
| 18:57.55 | enouf | how far away? |
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| 18:58.05 | enouf | go visit, it's cold here |
| 18:58.07 | Nyle | from me, nyc, to her, louisiana |
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| 18:58.14 | kenjy | how can I change the parent of a process? |
| 18:58.16 | Mazingaro | please, is there anyone using sftp? |
| 18:58.23 | Nyle | i was gonna go for mardi gras but i got job intervies in long island for IT system admin position |
| 18:58.29 | Nyle | I got one tomorrow morning |
| 18:58.30 | mrgenixus | Mazingaro: I am |
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| 18:58.44 | enouf | ah beauty rest .. i see |
| 18:58.56 | salvin2 | hi |
| 18:58.57 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 18:58.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:59.02 | Mazingaro | mrgenixus: I need to assign different users different server subdirectories |
| 18:59.04 | Nyle | !greet salvin2 |
| 18:59.04 | dpkg | G'day, salvin2 |
| 18:59.07 | kenjy | Mazingaro: I use sftp |
| 18:59.24 | salvin2 | i've a problem with the ipw3945 module |
| 18:59.33 | mrgenixus | Mazingaro: wow. |
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| 19:00.17 | salvin2 | i'm installed firmware-ipw3945 from nonfree |
| 19:00.23 | Mazingaro | mrgenixus: ??? |
| 19:00.32 | mrgenixus | don't want much do you... |
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| 19:00.42 | mrgenixus | almost like home-directories or something |
| 19:00.44 | salvin2 | but i get this error: inel_rng: FWH not detected |
| 19:00.52 | Mazingaro | mrgenixus: yes |
| 19:00.54 | themill | !tell salvin2 about ipw3945 |
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| 19:00.59 | Liono | mrgenixus is there something you want to tell me? |
| 19:01.03 | mrgenixus | Mazingaro: almost like home directories or something... |
| 19:01.13 | mrgenixus | Liono: writing it up, just a sec more |
| 19:01.19 | Mazingaro | mrgenixus: yes, users belong to windows domain |
| 19:01.21 | Liono | mrgenixus sure. thanks! |
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| 19:01.38 | andrej_ | hello |
| 19:01.40 | andrej_ | ! |
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| 19:01.58 | kenjy | how can I change the parent of a process? |
| 19:02.08 | chops | kenjy: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:02.11 | mrgenixus | are they using domain logins to access server using sftp |
| 19:03.09 | kenjy | chops: I have some process running over a ssh conection but that conection its going to die |
| 19:03.16 | Mazingaro | chops: yes |
| 19:03.40 | chops | kenjy: If you can restart the process, you should run it under screen |
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| 19:03.50 | chops | kenjy: If you can't... I'm not sure if there's a way to save it :-/ |
| 19:03.55 | masilla | hey |
| 19:04.03 | andrej_ | i got a problem ... i don't know what i did or what can i do to fix it :) if i minimize window i don't see the usual minimized tab ... or if i want to put azureus to "tray" it isn't there but it is working also i can switch between the minimized tabs with alt+tab how can i fix that ??? |
| 19:04.07 | mrgenixus | configure the server to give valid users a home directory if they have one (you are using account syncronizaion, right)? |
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| 19:04.16 | masilla | what do i need to add to /etc/network/interfaces to make a virtual interface come up everytime the system boots |
| 19:04.27 | Stan-marcio | hi all |
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| 19:04.41 | enouf | masilla: yep, iinm |
| 19:04.53 | Stan-marcio | how can I list all the files created by a program installed with apt-get? |
| 19:04.54 | enouf | er, add the virtual iface |
| 19:04.59 | enouf | mirak: ^^^^ |
| 19:05.02 | enouf | gah |
| 19:05.05 | enouf | masilla: |
| 19:05.11 | petemc | Stan-marcio: dpkg -L package |
| 19:05.19 | enouf | masilla: /msg dpkg i8nterfaces |
| 19:05.20 | azeem | Stan-marcio: what do you mean with "created" |
| 19:05.23 | enouf | masilla: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:05.30 | enouf | foook |
| 19:05.33 | Stan-marcio | petemc: thanks! :D |
| 19:05.34 | azeem | Stan-marcio: do you mean the files belonging to that program/package? |
| 19:05.56 | Stan-marcio | azeem: yes. sorry for my poor english, i´s not my native language |
| 19:06.12 | azeem | ok, then what petemc said |
| 19:06.17 | Stan-marcio | :) |
| 19:06.22 | Stan-marcio | thanks |
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| 19:08.01 | ubd | hello again |
| 19:08.03 | ubd | ubd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 19:08.13 | ubd | how can i fix this |
| 19:08.18 | rdz | how to change recursively |
| 19:08.20 | rdz | sorry |
| 19:08.21 | helo | rm -rf /var/log/* |
| 19:08.21 | enouf | heh |
| 19:08.38 | enouf | !sudoers |
| 19:08.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, sudoers is You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 19:08.41 | rdz | how to chmod all files recursively, also hidden files? |
| 19:08.42 | eth01 | echo 'isn't it ehlo? :P' |
| 19:08.42 | mrgenixus | Liono: read this: http://pastebin.ca/901534 |
| 19:08.49 | helo | that will fix the "This incident will be reported" part... |
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| 19:10.07 | chops | rdz: chmod -R or find | xargs chmod |
| 19:10.13 | mrgenixus | \amethyst: look good? http://pastebin.ca/901534 |
| 19:10.18 | chops | rdz: 'chmod -R' or 'find | xargs chmod' that is |
| 19:10.22 | enouf | rdz: chmod -R ./* ./. (if chmod takes multiple paths), if not do each one at a time .. the latter will give errors, but non-fatal, so use ./.[^.]* for no errors |
| 19:10.24 | rdz | chops, thanks |
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| 19:10.27 | ubd | No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
| 19:10.42 | rdz | enouf, thank you |
| 19:11.00 | enouf | i think chops solution is better, rdz |
| 19:11.01 | rdz | chops, chmod -R apparently does not work for hidden files |
| 19:11.08 | enouf | oh |
| 19:11.12 | chops | rdz: ! |
| 19:11.18 | eth01 | hey hey |
| 19:11.21 | chops | rdz: That isn't as it should be... are you sure? |
| 19:11.22 | mrgenixus | Liono: \amethyst: this is hard when I can't draw a pickure of what I'm talking about |
| 19:11.36 | rdz | chops, let me check again...to be very sure |
| 19:12.01 | chops | rdz: Seems to work for hidden files for me |
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| 19:12.08 | rdz | chops, ah the problem is, that * doesn't apply to hidden files |
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| 19:12.13 | rdz | chops, my fault |
| 19:12.14 | chops | rdz: nod |
| 19:12.15 | rdz | sorry |
| 19:12.49 | helo | mrgenixus: don't forget to patch your kernel for the local privilege escalation vulnerability :) |
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| 19:13.03 | mrgenixus | helo: ? |
| 19:13.08 | enouf | rdz: ok cool, so .. what i was saying is more for 'mv' then |
| 19:13.21 | rdz | enouf, chops thank you guys |
| 19:13.26 | chops | rdz: np |
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| 19:14.40 | rdz | chops, aaah.. this finally helped me to do what i wanted to do initially....... |
| 19:14.54 | rdz | i am now able to merge the old checkout with the new ones.... |
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| 19:15.19 | rdz | the problem was, that i forgot that * doesn't apply to hidden files |
| 19:15.31 | rdz | mrgenixus, no problem.. thank you anyway for your efforts |
| 19:15.42 | rdz | mrgenixus, i am happy, that i finally solved my problem. |
| 19:15.54 | mrgenixus | yeah -- I fixed mine too |
| 19:16.01 | rdz | mrgenixus, cool |
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| 19:21.32 | mrgenixus | how do I make my prompt display the output of a comand? |
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| 19:23.22 | chops | mrgenixus: man bash, see PROMPT_COMMAND |
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| 19:24.06 | vitry | hi to all |
| 19:24.27 | ianm_ | what're the grep switches to use to be able to pipe it to "xargs rm" ? |
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| 19:25.15 | justin | ianm_: what are you grepping? |
| 19:25.35 | ianm_ | mail messages |
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| 19:26.27 | Nyle | rahul: http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d33c9b8905.jpg |
| 19:26.47 | yoluca | i try to install Sun Looking glass desktop environment and i get the fallow error http://pastebin.ca/900437 |
| 19:27.08 | rahul | yoluca: well, does this environment come with debian? |
| 19:27.12 | mrgenixus | thanks -- knew it was easy -- just couldn't find it |
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| 19:27.20 | chops | yoluca: /bin/arch hasn't been around for a while, IIRC |
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| 19:27.33 | chops | yoluca: Where did you get the .deb you're installing? What version of Debian is it intended for? |
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| 19:27.45 | abrotman | and the package is badly broken it appears |
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| 19:27.54 | yoluca | rahul there are a lot of things that dont come with debian ,, but they Do work |
| 19:28.10 | rahul | yoluca: yeah, but we can't fix them if they're broken |
| 19:28.25 | rahul | holy crap, that's a mess |
| 19:28.28 | yoluca | abrotman i have all the 3 required packages from sun official download link |
| 19:28.35 | chops | yoluca: ... or make much of a guess as to what might be broken. FWIW, /bin/arch _does_ exist, in util-linux, on etch |
| 19:28.42 | yoluca | yeah sure .. thats a different story |
| 19:28.43 | mintee_ | this may be a bad question, but how do i install the kernel source with apt-get |
| 19:28.58 | azeem | mintee_: what do you need it for? |
| 19:28.59 | xingu | abrotman: speaking of badly broken; ...src/linux/Makefile: KBUILD_CFLAGS += ... -fnostack-protector) |
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| 19:29.01 | helo | and with that... |
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| 19:29.03 | chops | yoluca: It looks like that package needs a depends on util-linux << (someversion), or else to use uname instead of arch |
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| 19:29.10 | Nostahl | hi all |
| 19:29.13 | yoluca | chops ok , so the package is broken ... fair enough |
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| 19:29.16 | mintee_ | azeem, to build my wanpipe modules |
| 19:29.24 | Nostahl | anyone familiar with any usb bootable distro's that come with lamp already to go |
| 19:29.26 | xingu | abrotman: arjan points out that it would have stopped that exploit dead. :| |
| 19:29.27 | azeem | mintee_: you usually only need kernel headers to build modules |
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| 19:29.49 | mintee_ | o |
| 19:29.52 | abrotman | xingu: i'm sure there's a reason it wasn't used .. but whatever |
| 19:30.03 | yoluca | abrotman so there is no way having that installed right ? |
| 19:30.04 | chops | yoluca: We're not trying to negotiate with you :-). Just let you know what's gone wrong and why we can't give much support for that package. |
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| 19:30.20 | Perplexed_Entity | greetings |
| 19:30.20 | abrotman | yoluca: no idea .. it's not a debian package |
| 19:30.27 | yoluca | chops sure man ... no problem ... |
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| 19:30.37 | mrgenixus | thanks -- knew it was easy -- just couldn't find it |
| 19:30.39 | yoluca | abrotman there si a debian repo for it |
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| 19:30.47 | xingu | abrotman: broken makefiles; it's turned off after the arch makefile turns it on; the rationale for turning it off at all is broken gcc in some distributions. |
| 19:30.52 | abrotman | then the packages are broken .. you'll have to figure why |
| 19:30.52 | yoluca | abrotman, deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib |
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| 19:31.02 | mintee_ | ah, ok thanks azeem, i just noticed I had the headers for 2.6.18-5, but i'm running 2.6.18-6 |
| 19:31.05 | abrotman | xingu: yay! |
| 19:31.10 | chops | yoluca: That's not a Debian repo; that's a third party repo |
| 19:31.20 | xingu | abrotman: the fix will be to move the main makefile to disable before the arch makefile reenables - probably. |
| 19:31.21 | Perplexed_Entity | i have a question: i migrated my debian install from a PATA HD to a SATA drive, but now it refuses to boot. it freezes at "Begin: waiting for root file system" |
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| 19:31.25 | chops | yoluca: And it looks like you're not installing it on stable |
| 19:31.33 | chops | yoluca: (Unless you do not have util-linux installed) |
| 19:31.52 | mrgenixus | Perplexed_Entity: were you surprised? |
| 19:31.57 | Perplexed_Entity | i tried editing the grub files to point to sda* instead of hda* drives, no dice |
| 19:32.02 | chops | Perplexed_Entity: You need to remake your initrd, probably |
| 19:32.04 | yoluca | chops i dont ... im sure there is a way to get this installed ... ive seen other people had it ... |
| 19:32.06 | stan-marcio | me again.. I want to run a perl file in my cgi at the light httpd server. The permision is 777 for the .pl file.. but it keeps telling me "403 - Forbidden".. no help from google! Anyone? |
| 19:32.21 | chops | yoluca: You could try changing "stable" to "unstable" in that line :-) |
| 19:32.25 | mrgenixus | stan-marcio: what permissions are se in the server |
| 19:32.29 | Perplexed_Entity | remake my initrd... i have to boot the system to the emergency shell, right? |
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| 19:32.50 | mrgenixus | stan-marcio: some default server configurations require you to specifically allow access to directories |
| 19:33.03 | chops | yoluca: Oh, you are running stable? In that case try installing util-linux. Also, try asking for support from the providers of the package; they may be in a position, for example, to fix what's broken with the package if it's described to them |
| 19:33.04 | mrgenixus | Perplexed_Entity: you probabyl actually eed a livecd |
| 19:33.11 | porkpie | hi guy's how do I mount an nfs share with a username and password |
| 19:33.26 | chops | Perplexed_Entity: You'll need to boot from CD most likely, yes |
| 19:33.31 | Perplexed_Entity | got a knoppix disc, how would i proceed from there tho'? |
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| 19:33.38 | abrotman | xingu: but wouldn't that break other stuff? |
| 19:33.51 | porkpie | chops:hi |
| 19:33.54 | Perplexed_Entity | last time i seem to recall launching the system to an emergency shell found in debian's install DVD |
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| 19:34.06 | chops | porkpie: Hi |
| 19:34.07 | Perplexed_Entity | dunno if that would fix it tho' |
| 19:34.14 | yoluca | chops im on stable yeah ... ok thanks for help |
| 19:34.27 | stan-marcio | mrgenixus: ok. Ill check it out again, I think I found the problem. Thanks :) |
| 19:34.28 | jma | hi everybody |
| 19:34.29 | mrgenixus | Perplexed_Entity: that works well, but you'll most likely have to chroot into the system from the knoppix livecd |
| 19:34.39 | porkpie | chops:can you tell me how to mount an nfs share with a username and password |
| 19:34.49 | chops | Perplexed_Entity: Probably that shell won't be able to mount the disk. When you do boot from a usable system, you should chroot to the system, and remake the initrd. I don't remember exactly how to remake it; try man mkinitrd. |
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| 19:35.12 | Perplexed_Entity | hmm, i see. i'll try all of the above then, thanks for the precious info :) |
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| 19:36.06 | Perplexed_Entity | wait, news |
| 19:36.12 | Perplexed_Entity | it booted automatically into initramfs. |
| 19:36.16 | masilla | is there a way to instead of assigning a hostname to an ip in /etc/hosts, assign an ip alias in /etc/hosts? |
| 19:36.24 | Perplexed_Entity | do i have any freedom of editing from there at all? |
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| 19:37.37 | stan-marcio | mrgenixus: uhuull it workded :D thanks! |
| 19:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | porkpie: you normally can't nfs is on a per-host basis |
| 19:39.00 | porkpie | ah OK |
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| 19:39.09 | Liono | mrgenixus thanks! |
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| 19:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | porkpie: so /etc/exports on the server would allow certain hosts to access nfs additionally, it needs a portmap: <hostip> entry in /etc/hosts.allow to work |
| 19:41.29 | porkpie | Thanks |
| 19:41.36 | chops | porkpie: So you mean how to restrict NFS to require a username and password before it'll allow a mount? |
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| 19:45.49 | Czesiu | Hi |
| 19:46.07 | dimir | Czesc |
| 19:46.12 | masilla | anyone? |
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| 19:46.55 | dimir | masilla: IP alias? |
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| 19:47.53 | dimir | masilla: You mean assign multiple IP addresses to one interface? |
| 19:47.53 | mrgenixus | ls |
| 19:48.00 | mrgenixus | oops -- sorry wrong term |
| 19:48.47 | masilla | dimir, either that, or assign an alias to another computers ip, so that instead of typing 232.139.135.40 i can get to it through 192.168.10.2 |
| 19:48.55 | stan-marcio | is there a way to chmod diretorys recursively? |
| 19:49.07 | mrgenixus | stan-marcio: yes |
| 19:49.13 | mrgenixus | it seems to be very popular today |
| 19:49.16 | gordonjcp | stan-marcio: chmod -R |
| 19:49.17 | mrgenixus | 'chmod -R' |
| 19:49.18 | bush | stan-marcio: chmod -R |
| 19:49.23 | dimir | masilla: you can't do it without assining an IP to a network device. |
| 19:49.33 | simonrvn | severval |
| 19:49.37 | stan-marcio | humm thanks =) |
| 19:49.40 | simonrvn | several even |
| 19:49.57 | dimir | masilla: use network interface alias for that. Like assign another IP as eth0:0, another as eth0:1 and so on. |
| 19:50.03 | bwlang_ | where can one buy bulk packs of drives? |
| 19:50.14 | simonrvn | manuf.? |
| 19:50.21 | bwlang_ | i'd like to buy 10 WD1500ADFD, but i don't want them to come from different lots |
| 19:50.28 | mrgenixus | bwlang_: mwave? |
| 19:50.31 | masilla | dimir, well thats what i initially tried and it worked fine, but the problem was that the eth0:1 didnt come up when the system rebooted |
| 19:50.38 | bwlang_ | mrgenixus: i'll have a look |
| 19:50.54 | chops | masilla: You need to specify it as 'auto' just as any other interface |
| 19:50.57 | mrgenixus | bwlang_: they're a retail distributor -- you'll probably need buy in units of 100+ |
| 19:51.40 | masilla | chops, i did auth eth0:1 then iface eth0:1 inet static address .... and it didnt automatically come up |
| 19:51.45 | masilla | chops, only eth0 woudl come up |
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| 19:52.00 | chops | masilla: Did you do 'auto' and not 'auth'? :-) |
| 19:52.02 | mrgenixus | it's not uncommon to get drive from the set, buying normally |
| 19:52.10 | tez | whats the difference between the net install cd image and the business card image, and what does the business card one lack? |
| 19:52.16 | masilla | chops, heh, yeah it was auto, my bad |
| 19:52.18 | chops | masilla: Pastebin /etc/network/interfaces and the output of 'ifconfig -a' after a fresh boot, please |
| 19:52.30 | mrgenixus | bwlang_: i'd check cdw |
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| 19:53.54 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:54.11 | chops | tez: I believe the netinst contains some essential packages that the business card just downloads from the internet on install |
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| 20:04.40 | masilla | ok i have another completely unrelated problem |
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| 20:04.53 | masilla | localhost:631 isnt working |
| 20:05.12 | chops | !doesn't work |
| 20:05.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:06.01 | masilla | localhost:631 never loads |
| 20:06.40 | chops | masilla: What are you doing? Opening it in a web browser? Telnetting to it? Trying to print to it? |
| 20:06.45 | dimir | masilla: cups is up and running? |
| 20:06.48 | masilla | opening in a browser |
| 20:07.06 | chops | masilla: Is that supposed to work? |
| 20:07.07 | masilla | yeah cupsd is running |
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| 20:07.21 | masilla | its always worked in the past |
| 20:07.33 | dimir | masilla: netstat -lptn | grep cups |
| 20:07.34 | dimir | ? |
| 20:07.49 | azeem | masilla: is this a new installation, or the same it used to work on before? |
| 20:07.52 | chops | masilla: Are there any error messages in any logs? Any recent upgrades or reconfigurations? What version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:07.54 | masilla | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7658/cupsd |
| 20:07.58 | jm|laptop | hello |
| 20:08.08 | masilla | etch |
| 20:08.21 | masilla | i just upgraded to a new kernel |
| 20:08.24 | jm|laptop | does anyone know of a add-on for icedove that allows for Google Calendar integration? |
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| 20:08.51 | jm|laptop | iceowl/ |
| 20:08.55 | chops | masilla: Any other upgrades at the same time? Did you reboot after? |
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| 20:10.36 | masilla | ah |
| 20:10.38 | masilla | i figured it out |
| 20:10.45 | masilla | the interface lo was not up |
| 20:10.46 | masilla | :/ |
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| 20:11.34 | chops | masilla: Ah, nice |
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| 20:12.24 | masilla | chops, i cant reboot that computer now but i will give the output maybe later today, so if your still around i will ask :] |
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| 20:12.46 | chops | masilla: Makes sense |
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| 20:18.02 | Qaldune | if i install a 32 bit package using --force-architecture, but i already have the 64-bit of that package installed on my system, will that overwrite the previously installed files? |
| 20:18.16 | I440r | ok, i need to do an install of debian on a laptop and the ONLY way i have of connecting to the net is via a wireless adapter thats on a network that uses TKIP |
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| 20:18.44 | Eulex | Qaldune, you can't have two packages with the same name installed |
| 20:18.45 | I440r | anyone wanna tell me where i can get a install CD from that supports ipw3945 with TKIP support? |
| 20:19.11 | Qaldune | eulex is there a way to have both 32bit and 64bit versions of the same package installed? |
| 20:19.24 | Eulex | Qaldune, yes, if they have different names |
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| 20:19.53 | Qaldune | eulex, and how do i change the package names? just changing the .deb file name? |
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| 20:20.40 | Eulex | Qaldune, you'll have to do more. you'll have to unpack it, change its control file, and pack it |
| 20:20.47 | chops | Qaldune: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:21.02 | Qaldune | i'm trying to install the 32-bit libraries that i need to run simutrans. |
| 20:21.09 | Qaldune | of course, my system is 64-bit |
| 20:21.27 | chops | What libraries? |
| 20:21.45 | chops | Qaldune: Generally in this situation a 32-bit chroot is recommended |
| 20:21.48 | Qaldune | mmm a handful. one of them is libvorbis |
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| 20:22.06 | chops | Qaldune: Or a helpful hand extended in the direction of multiarch :-) |
| 20:22.23 | Qaldune | what? |
| 20:22.44 | chops | Qaldune: Sorry, it was a joke |
| 20:23.13 | ryancr | I am running etch with two usb drives mounted, when the server is rebooted it seems the drives switch 'dev' ie /dev/sda1 becomes /dev/sdb1 etc |
| 20:23.16 | Qaldune | oh ok |
| 20:23.16 | chops | Qaldune: I would strongly recommended a 32-bit chroot instead |
| 20:23.18 | Qaldune | :P |
| 20:23.25 | Qaldune | ok any link on that? |
| 20:23.39 | chops | Qaldune: multiarch is a semi-vaporware solution which is supposed to make your problem much easier to deal with |
| 20:23.46 | yang | How do i specify port on rsync ? ssh port is 222 - rsync -avz jan@123.123.123.123:222/home/yang/ /home/yang/backup/ ? |
| 20:23.48 | chops | Qaldune: google for 'debian 32-bit chroot' |
| 20:24.07 | ryancr | is there a way to force them to remain the same? the reason I ask is one is a back up drive and it doesn't really work when the script runs but the drives have switch positions |
| 20:24.20 | Qaldune | semi-vaporware? what can I do about it? |
| 20:24.23 | Qaldune | i mean |
| 20:24.43 | Qaldune | if it's not completely vaporware I guess there should be a way to get it to work |
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| 20:25.19 | chops | Qaldune: For your purposes it's still vaporware unfortunately, unless there's been a lot of progress without me knowing it :-( |
| 20:25.37 | chops | ryancr: mount them by uuid instead of disk |
| 20:25.55 | Qaldune | and what is it exactly? a 'mod' for dpkg or something like that? |
| 20:26.04 | ryancr | chops: thanks I will look into that |
| 20:26.48 | chops | Qaldune: It's a set of modifications to the package toolchain that make it possible to cleanly support machines that can run more than one architecture |
| 20:27.12 | Qaldune | mm sounds like pretty far way. |
| 20:27.13 | chops | Qaldune: So you can select which architecture for each binary package, and have any combination of architectures installed for each library |
| 20:27.27 | Qaldune | ok |
| 20:27.35 | Qaldune | thank you too guys for your time and help |
| 20:27.37 | chops | Qaldune: It sounded pretty close... several years ago when it was first proposed. AFAIK there's been no visible progress since then :-( |
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| 20:27.43 | Qaldune | you two* |
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| 20:27.50 | chops | Qaldune: np. Good luck. |
| 20:27.55 | Qaldune | bye |
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| 20:28.09 | frog | hi, i have Radeon 8500 LE, using ati driver , debian sid/lenny, metacity, vga. the processor is: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz. glxgears are returning 788 frames in 5.0 seconds = 157.485 FPS in a full screen mode(1280x1024 60Hz). anyhow while running screensaver (for example euphoria) i am getting very high load average(>2). same happens while watching flash movies(i.e. youtube). why is that? am i using wrong graphic drivers? |
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| 20:33.28 | chops | frog: Are you maybe not enabling DRI for some reason? |
| 20:33.38 | yang | How do i specify port on rsync ? ssh port is 222 - rsync -avz jan@123.123.123.123:222/home/yang/ /home/yang/backup/ ? |
| 20:34.49 | chops | yang: Try -e 'ssh -p 222' |
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| 20:35.03 | frog | chops: i have Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection in my xorg.conf. |
| 20:35.23 | chops | frog: You could check your X log to see if there are warnings related to failure to initialize it or something |
| 20:35.51 | frog | chops: ok, let me see |
| 20:35.58 | yang | chops: rsync: link_stat "/home/yang/backupcriten/jan@212.103.133.6/home/jan/home-novo/home.tar" failed: No such file or directory (2) |
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| 20:36.16 | yang | chops: i have some sort of wrong parameters |
| 20:37.11 | chops | yang: Try man rsync, looks to me like you may be missing a colon between the IP address and the path on the remote host |
| 20:37.23 | yang | chops: i am reading man rsync for half an hour |
| 20:37.44 | justin | yang: echo -e "host 123.123.123.123\nport 222" >> ~/.ssh/config |
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| 20:38.17 | br4hm4n | any one else find that google.co.uk is down? doesnt respond to ping at all? |
| 20:38.24 | chops | yang: Are you still trying to put the port number into the user@host:/path string? |
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| 20:39.21 | yang | rsync --port=222 jan@212.103.133.6::/home/jan/home-novo/home.tar /home/yang/backupcriten/ also fails |
| 20:39.33 | chops | yang: Scroll up and look at what I told you to try before :-) |
| 20:39.51 | yang | chops: i have tried and it also doesnt go well |
| 20:39.52 | effe[utf] | is it possible to make kernel re-read changed partition table w/o reboot? |
| 20:40.11 | chops | yang: Can you pastebin the full command, with the argument I recommended, and the failure output that you get? |
| 20:40.16 | yang | chops: it doesnt work similar to scp |
| 20:40.20 | yang | ok |
| 20:40.23 | chops | effe[utf]: Not if the disk is in use |
| 20:40.34 | DawnLight | how's that tool that scans for open ports called? |
| 20:40.40 | chops | DawnLight: nmap |
| 20:40.42 | effe[utf] | chops, ok |
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| 20:40.46 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 20:40.51 | chops | DawnLight: np |
| 20:40.52 | frog | http://www.pastebin.ca/901629 <-- this is what i fouund in log file. could someone help me to fix it? |
| 20:40.52 | sier | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 20:40.53 | sier | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.11 | yang | chops: http://openpaste.org/en/5089/ |
| 20:41.20 | I440r | ok i got a MAJOR problem. i have to install debian here and i cannot do a network install so im downloading the DVD images via torrent. well. i got 3 dvd;s to download and the first of them has ZERO sources |
| 20:41.22 | I440r | wtf over? |
| 20:41.30 | g-d | mahmoud was a terrorist |
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| 20:41.42 | g-d | err. that was meant for /msg |
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| 20:42.22 | chops | yang: Use one colon for remote-shell access (two colons specifies rsync daemon access), and use -e 'ssh -p 222' like I recommended earlier |
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| 20:42.44 | Fabio_Como | I installed a basic X system on a debian etch, I activated "remote desktop", but i cannot connect to it.. i tryed it from Cygwin, from Xming and from a Ubuntu machine, and not worked.. |
| 20:42.45 | yang | chops: ah i need rsyncd there |
| 20:42.53 | Fabio_Como | sorry i activated "remote logins" |
| 20:43.17 | chops | yang: Not unless you know you want it there. rsync can use ssh as the transport if you give it the right arguments. |
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| 20:45.21 | hell-jack | my gecko crashed |
| 20:45.24 | hell-jack | !paste |
| 20:45.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:45.32 | wizard_ | hello, what is the best script at startup time where i can place an export varname="value" statement? |
| 20:45.34 | abrotman | !tell hell-jack about msg the bot |
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| 20:45.42 | dondelelcaro | wizard_: /etc/environment |
| 20:45.43 | abrotman | wizard_: /etc/env |
| 20:45.44 | abrotman | bah |
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| 20:45.55 | wizard_ | thx |
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| 20:46.38 | I440r | ok downloading debian over a torrent is a complete and utter waste of time. i might as well use wget -c and accept the bandwidth throttle |
| 20:46.50 | hell-jack | hey |
| 20:46.51 | abrotman | I440r: why not use the netinst ? |
| 20:46.55 | hell-jack | http://paste.debian.net/49054 |
| 20:47.01 | hell-jack | my bug report this is |
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| 20:47.04 | hell-jack | what is the bug |
| 20:47.12 | I440r | because gentoo install cd's do not support wireless |
| 20:47.18 | I440r | so im screwed |
| 20:47.27 | abrotman | what does that have to do with debian ? |
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| 20:47.37 | I440r | erm i mean debian install cds |
| 20:47.48 | I440r | gentoo install cd's do support wireless network connections |
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| 20:48.14 | I440r | the debian install cd download web page syas that WIRELESS is not supported |
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| 20:48.18 | I440r | which is stupid |
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| 20:48.26 | abrotman | debian CDs support some wireless .. which is how i installed mine |
| 20:48.26 | hell-jack | 2.6.24 |
| 20:48.33 | hell-jack | support wireless |
| 20:48.33 | dondelelcaro | I440r: some wireless drivers are; depends on the card. |
| 20:48.38 | hell-jack | kernel 2.6.24 sid |
| 20:48.40 | chops | hell-jack: Checked the BTS? |
| 20:48.48 | I440r | ipw3945 with TKIP encryption |
| 20:48.49 | hell-jack | what is BTS |
| 20:49.00 | chops | !btssmite hell-jack |
| 20:49.21 | I440r | great. 40k per second grrr this is bad. i have THREE dvd images to download :( |
| 20:49.38 | dondelelcaro | I440r: we don't include that on our CDs, because it requires a binary regulatory daemon. |
| 20:49.43 | dondelelcaro | I440r: and you don't need all three DVDs. |
| 20:49.50 | reh | Anyone, I'm trying to load Pidgin, but I can't find it searching in the Synaptic Package Manager. Wassup wit dat? |
| 20:50.02 | abrotman | reh: try gaim |
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| 20:50.46 | chops | :-) |
| 20:50.46 | reh | abrotman: is gaim like pidgin? or is it the same thing with a diff name? |
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| 20:50.59 | abrotman | reh: yes |
| 20:50.59 | zinx | reh: same thing with a different name |
| 20:51.00 | hell-jack | no mainteiner for gecko |
| 20:51.03 | Supaplex | !tell I440r -about netinst |
| 20:51.08 | vort3x | gaim was forced to change its name, hence pidgin |
| 20:51.10 | mirak | hi |
| 20:51.21 | mirak | does anyone have experience with cross meta file systems ? |
| 20:51.28 | chops | I440r: You probably don't have to download all three DVDs. You could download the first CD, and if you know how to set up wireless once your system is installed you can set it up using apt-offline. |
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| 20:52.06 | reh | abrotman or vort3x: to load it from commandline, would I just 'apt-get install gaim' |
| 20:52.30 | I440r | chops its been YEARS since i used debian, i converted to gentoo long ago but here at work i need a gentoo install to create an embedded linux boot image (the embedded linux image creator uses apt) |
| 20:52.38 | abrotman | reh: yes |
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| 20:52.54 | reh | many thanks :-) |
| 20:52.57 | chops | I440r: One tip: stop typoing "Gentoo" for "Debian" and vice versa :-) |
| 20:53.13 | ron_ | hey is there a way to list a users password as root |
| 20:53.19 | \amethyst | ron_: no |
| 20:53.28 | \amethyst | ron_: it's stored only as a one-way hash |
| 20:53.44 | \amethyst | ron_: and there's no way to reverse the hash to get back to the original password |
| 20:53.48 | I440r | chops yea im a bit flustered lol. im going to be paid for the job. not for the time. so the sit with thumb up ass while debian downloads is somewhat annoying :/ |
| 20:53.53 | \amethyst | ron_: (hence "one-way") |
| 20:53.57 | ron_ | time to change it i guess |
| 20:54.05 | \amethyst | ron_: that's the usual approach :) |
| 20:54.19 | pleed | Can someone answer me some questions about ipsec tunneling? i ve configured an ipsec tunnel between two subnets, do i have to create an "ip tunnel" now ? |
| 20:54.20 | \amethyst | ron_: if the password was a bad one, you can use something to crack it |
| 20:54.37 | \amethyst | ron_: basically, trying likely passwords over and over until it finds a match |
| 20:54.53 | ron_ | ok thanks |
| 20:54.56 | pleed | In other words: does setkey/racoon add ANY kind of routes? |
| 20:55.15 | \amethyst | ron_: 'john' is one popular program for password cracking |
| 20:55.20 | pleed | Or does it just set policies for routes which i have to create myself? |
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| 20:58.03 | reh | total noob question: what is the "gnome panel"? |
| 20:58.32 | wizard_ | reh: think windows bar in the bottom |
| 20:58.41 | wizard_ | add application alunchers to it and other dockspaces |
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| 20:59.45 | pleed | Or where can i get help about ipsec? |
| 21:00.09 | sChaaa | hola |
| 21:00.12 | I440r | ok, gtg... sorry if i got flustered and said "gentoo" by accident heh |
| 21:00.16 | pleed | There are only snippets of configurations or theoretical howtos so where can i ask? |
| 21:00.20 | I440r | oopts! |
| 21:00.21 | I440r | :) |
| 21:00.49 | Maximi89 | guys, this affects to Debian? |
| 21:00.50 | Maximi89 | while(1) { |
| 21:00.50 | Maximi89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.50 | Maximi89 | } |
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| 21:00.54 | reh | wizard_: so adding something to the gnome panel, just puts a link to the program in a place that is easy to click? |
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| 21:01.22 | chops | Maximi89: It does |
| 21:01.38 | Maximi89 | chops: why this is not fixed? |
| 21:01.46 | Maximi89 | chops: any ideas? |
| 21:02.41 | chops | Maximi89: Because it's a hard problem to fix in general without imposing arbitrary limits on how much load a given process can place on the system. There are systems running Linux whose normal application load would be considered a fork bomb on end-user desktops. Talk to the kernel developers about it; it's definitely an upstream problem :-) |
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| 21:03.02 | chops | Maximi89: You can impose user limits on your system to prevent such things if you've got users who you fear may try them |
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| 21:04.29 | Maximi89 | chops: it's really a problem that, if the users know it |
| 21:06.10 | bush | Maximi89: yes, it is |
| 21:06.24 | chops | Maximi89: Easiest way is to get better users :-) |
| 21:06.24 | Maximi89 | thanks guys! |
| 21:06.32 | chops | Maximi89: I recommend natural selection |
| 21:06.32 | Maximi89 | ajajaja impossible |
| 21:06.49 | chops | Maximi89: After the first ten or twenty lose their accounts, the others will learn |
| 21:07.26 | valdyn | Maximi89: ther's an endless number of ways to DoS for a local userr, forkbomb is just one.. |
| 21:07.30 | Maximi89 | xD that is arbitrary xD |
| 21:07.34 | Maximi89 | any way thanks |
| 21:07.41 | chops | Maximi89: What valdyn said |
| 21:07.44 | maligor | or you could wire AC to the keyboard |
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| 21:08.13 | Maximi89 | i going to my Linux DSL |
| 21:08.21 | Maximi89 | thanks guys see you later |
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| 21:10.08 | vitry | hi |
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| 21:11.26 | __jah__ | does anyone ever see any weird visual quirks when running iceweasel (e.g. links/divs moving 1px when you mouse over them)? |
| 21:11.43 | chops | __jah__: That bug is about 8 years old :-( |
| 21:11.55 | chops | __jah__: It happens when your DPI is exactly 100 IIRC |
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| 21:12.15 | chops | __jah__: I'm sure it's in Debian's BTS (probably under mozilla 0.7 or something) |
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| 21:12.42 | __jah__ | wow ... i had no idea it was so old ... i guess i need to adjust my DPI |
| 21:12.48 | valdyn | i havent seen a display that actually has 100dpi yet |
| 21:13.19 | chops | __jah__: Not that that's an excuse for that bug existing... 100 DPI should work too :-). I actually tried to track down at one point because I was so frustrated with it, but I gave up pretty quickly. |
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| 21:14.23 | __jah__ | yeah, it annoys the hell out of me |
| 21:14.36 | chops | __jah__: It is annoying |
| 21:14.47 | reh | Anyone know how I would get my Belkin Wireless G USB Network Adaptor to work on my Debian computer? |
| 21:15.16 | chops | __jah__: And if you look at the code, it's obvious that something ridiculous is going on. It does something like "if DPI is 100 set it to 96 to work around such-and-such stupid other bug", so things don't line up right (96 != 100) |
| 21:15.35 | mrgenixus | reh: do you know what chipset it's using? |
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| 21:15.58 | ciosad | if i get a source package from apt...is there a single command to compile it as a debian package? |
| 21:16.03 | reh | mrgenixus: I don't know. How do I figure that out? |
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| 21:16.14 | chops | !tell ciosad about source |
| 21:16.25 | mrgenixus | you need the deviceid, or the model number |
| 21:16.37 | nexusNL | anyone here running on powerpc/imac? |
| 21:16.40 | chronic1 | !tell chronic1 about source |
| 21:16.44 | mrgenixus | reh-- you should look it up on ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
| 21:17.08 | \amethyst | nexusNL: not at the moment, but installed Debian on a Mac once :) |
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| 21:17.24 | valdyn | chronic1: apt-get build-dep <package> && apt-get -b source <package> |
| 21:18.05 | reh | mrgenixus: I have MUCH to learn. Do I go to ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net and do a search by the model# of the wireless device? |
| 21:18.08 | valdyn | chronic1: actually: "sudo apt-get build-dep <package> && fakeroot apt-get -b source <package>" |
| 21:18.28 | valdyn | reh: lsusb |
| 21:18.33 | JW | I want to downgrade a package. I can't purge it because of dependancies, but the version that I'm downgrading two satisfies those same dependancies. Is there a way to do the downgrade (the remove and the install) in one step so that apt will realize the dependancies are going to be ok? |
| 21:18.45 | valdyn | JW: apt-get install packagename=version |
| 21:18.59 | valdyn | JW: same for aptitude |
| 21:19.06 | mrgenixus | reh: yes, and if you're this quick, you should be fine |
| 21:19.21 | Eznora | hello |
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| 21:19.26 | nexusNL | \amethyst: I just installed 4.0r2 for the second time.. but direct at first boot it is stalled.. I think some process it taking all cpu.... it takes now about 25 minutes already |
| 21:19.32 | chronic1 | valdyn: I was planning on making changes to a source package and then recompiling it. so would debuild be what i need? |
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| 21:19.45 | mrgenixus | reh: there's a good chance your card is a natively supported device, but you'll have to get firmware-cutter to get the correct firmware from the winxp driver |
| 21:19.47 | Eznora | are you real |
| 21:19.57 | brett | I'm getting a message in a popup window that 'Your computer didn't sleep properly" |
| 21:20.06 | JW | valdyn: Thanks - I'm still fidling with the ruby .debs I built. I think what I'm looking for is "dpkg downgrade" |
| 21:20.11 | brett | Why is that happening? |
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| 21:20.29 | valdyn | chronic1: dpkg-source -x file.dsc ( to extract ), make your own changes, cd <sourcetree> , "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage" |
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| 21:20.38 | mrgenixus | brett -- did your computer sleep properly? |
| 21:20.42 | Eznora | hello brett |
| 21:20.49 | Eznora | what's up? |
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| 21:20.54 | brett | mrgenixus: yes, for all intensive purposes |
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| 21:21.03 | valdyn | chronic1: oh, first you wanna run apt-get souce <package>, without the -b -b |
| 21:21.11 | mrgenixus | brett: maybe not as much so as youthink? |
| 21:21.14 | valdyn | chronic1: s/souce/source/ |
| 21:21.35 | JW | no this isn't working. |
| 21:21.36 | brett | mrgenixus: the monitors power down, and the powerlight on the tower goes flashing amber |
| 21:21.49 | brett | Eznora: sleep issues |
| 21:21.55 | valdyn | JW: dpkg downgrades just fine, dpkg -i file.deb |
| 21:21.56 | brett | mrgenixus: note this is a desktop |
| 21:22.01 | Eznora | issues what |
| 21:22.02 | mrgenixus | yeah... |
| 21:22.07 | chronic1 | valdyn: thanks....did that and modified the sources...just wanted to check the changes with a fresh install |
| 21:22.10 | simonrvn | "intents and purposes", though that's funny "intensive purposes" |
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| 21:22.41 | mrgenixus | goodtimes makes the best burgers |
| 21:23.38 | brett | Is there a logfile somewhere that would explain what went wrong? |
| 21:23.49 | chronic1 | valdyn: when you do the apt-get source <package name>....do the sources in the extracted directory have the debian changes from the diff pre-applied? It appears so |
| 21:23.58 | mrgenixus | brett: should be |
| 21:24.09 | valdyn | chronic1: if the source is extracted, yes |
| 21:24.12 | simonrvn | brett: syslog is a good place to start |
| 21:24.16 | Eznora | why dont anybody talk with me |
| 21:24.17 | valdyn | chronic1: i didnt remember if it actually extracted |
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| 21:24.28 | mrgenixus | Eznora: I think you're off-topic |
| 21:24.36 | simonrvn | (which "lives" in /var/log FYI, brett) |
| 21:24.41 | up_the_irons | hey guys.. when i reboot my fresh install of etch (on which I use LVM), it says something like "Cannot unmount LVM volumes in use: 2"; i don't know the exact msg b/c the server is not in front of me right now. Is this normal? I also noticed this with debian 3.0 |
| 21:24.41 | Eznora | why |
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| 21:24.59 | brett | Feb 12 13:11:27 meat gnome-power-manager: (brett) Resuming computer |
| 21:24.59 | brett | Feb 12 13:11:30 meat gnome-power-manager: (brett) suspend failed |
| 21:25.00 | valdyn | up_the_irons: for how many lv does it saiy that? |
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| 21:25.02 | Eznora | im new in here |
| 21:25.05 | up_the_irons | it worries me that i see that, although it doesn't seem to hang or anything |
| 21:25.10 | up_the_irons | valdyn: 2 |
| 21:25.11 | brett | er is there a place I should paste logs? |
| 21:25.14 | abrotman | Eznora: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:25.22 | mrgenixus | Eznora: I dare say |
| 21:25.24 | chronic1 | yeah; i have a directory, diff, dsc, and tarball |
| 21:25.29 | valdyn | up_the_irons: nothing to worry about |
| 21:25.30 | up_the_irons | valdyn: i only have 2, one for root and one for /home |
| 21:25.37 | mrgenixus | brett: pastebin.ca works |
| 21:25.40 | Eznora | abchirk debian what |
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| 21:25.44 | valdyn | up_the_irons: except that i dont understand why /home is affected |
| 21:25.47 | up_the_irons | valdyn: oh really? |
| 21:25.48 | Eznora | i must look dictionary |
| 21:25.49 | JW | valdyn: yeah. I'm still having trouble with these debs I built. when I built the ruby-defaults-4.1 package I got a lot of packages versioned 4.1, which I don't undertand (there's no ruby 4.1), Now I have "ruby1.8" version 1.8.6 installed as well as "ruby" version 4.1 installed. I want t get rid of "ruby" version 4.1 but rake and rubygems then complain about needing "ruby" >= 1.8 (which is silly because I have "ruby1.8" installed but I guess it can't see that |
| 21:25.50 | valdyn | up_the_irons: for / its expected |
| 21:25.53 | up_the_irons | valdyn: gotcha |
| 21:26.08 | up_the_irons | valdyn: maybe i was in my home dir when i rebooted? |
| 21:26.18 | up_the_irons | valdyn: that'd make it in use |
| 21:26.24 | valdyn | up_the_irons: the init script cant unmount it, thus the error, but the kernel does it by itself |
| 21:26.36 | up_the_irons | valdyn: oh ok |
| 21:26.39 | up_the_irons | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:26.41 | valdyn | up_the_irons: no, your tasks get killed |
| 21:26.46 | Eznora | off |
| 21:26.52 | reh | mrgenixus: is firmware-cutter a debian package? Should I 'apt-get install firmware-cutter' |
| 21:26.52 | Eznora | sinirlenmeye basladým ya |
| 21:27.01 | up_the_irons | valdyn: i see |
| 21:27.04 | valdyn | up_the_irons: mind, i only really *know* this for /, not why your /home is affected aswell |
| 21:27.07 | mrgenixus | reh, yes, if you have a broadcom device |
| 21:27.19 | up_the_irons | valdyn: gotcha |
| 21:27.24 | mrgenixus | and if you have the windows drivers unpacked |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | reh: bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 21:28.28 | brett | mrgenixus: ok http://pastebin.ca/901686 |
| 21:28.40 | reh | mrgenixus: I don't know what a broadcom device is. I can tell you that when I search for my model# ( F5D7050 ) at NDISwrapper, I get 0 results found |
| 21:28.49 | brett | gnome-power-manager is totally unhelpful. It just says 'suspend failed', but not why. |
| 21:29.03 | abrotman | reh: lspci |
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| 21:29.34 | valdyn | reh: only the lsusb / lsusb -n output means anything |
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| 21:29.46 | valdyn | reh: model numbers are meaningless |
| 21:29.55 | hell-jack | ben aborjin olacam |
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| 21:30.44 | abrotman | !tr |
| 21:30.44 | dpkg | hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 21:31.12 | valdyn | reh: nevermind -n, its unsupported and unneeded |
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| 21:32.00 | mrgenixus | looks like his card is going to need ndiswrapper |
| 21:32.19 | mrgenixus | reh: you'll probably need to use ndiswrapper |
| 21:32.24 | JW | valdyn: apparently "ruby" 4.1 provides a symlink to "ruby1.8". I don't get the 4.1part but I guess I don't need to either. |
| 21:32.35 | mrgenixus | reh http://gentoo-wiki.com/Belkin_F5D7050 |
| 21:32.48 | reh | valdyn: Sorry I'm a noob, you're speaking in ways that I don't understand. What do you mean when you say, 'only the lsusb / lsusb -n output means anything' and 'nevermind -n, its unsupported and unneeded' |
| 21:33.05 | abrotman | valdyn: speak slowly and louder! |
| 21:33.10 | mrgenixus | reh: obviously there are some differences between the gentto howto and what you'll actuall have to do |
| 21:33.38 | abrotman | reh: lspci .. what is the device? |
| 21:33.46 | abrotman | or is it usb ? |
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| 21:33.48 | valdyn | reh: lsusb lists a value like "ID 046d:c00e" for each device, thats the only thing that uniqueley identifies your actual hardware |
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| 21:35.19 | valdyn | reh: while the model# could be identical for different hardware, if belkin feels like doing that. |
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| 21:35.31 | Zambezi | Have anyone install Truecrypt 5.0 on Debian Etch or Lenny? I can't find tutorial for 5.0, just 4.2, but then I can't find TC 4.2. :-) |
| 21:35.40 | abrotman | Zambezi: ask them |
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| 21:36.02 | mrgenixus | valdyn: the model number matches the description of the device he gave |
| 21:36.17 | reh | valdyn: thanks. now I understand what you're saying. I did lsusb (I didn't know at first you were giving me a terminal commandline)... anyhow, I did it and I have the ID now. Is that the ID I'm suposed to type into NDISwrapper? |
| 21:36.24 | mrgenixus | valdyn: there is a navite driver for versions of the card prior to version 4000 |
| 21:36.35 | Zambezi | abrotman: There isn't information about dependencies. It works with another distro I tried. |
| 21:37.12 | reh | lsusb givew me '001 Device 002: ID 050d:705a Belkin Components |
| 21:37.18 | mrgenixus | reh: It looks like you need to get the winxp driver for the device and apt-get install caextract to get the driver unpacked |
| 21:37.38 | mrgenixus | reh and then 'm-a a-i ndiswrapper' |
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| 21:38.10 | mrgenixus | reh: or s/caextract/cabextract/g |
| 21:38.25 | valdyn | reh: nah, it could be used to find a driver supporting your card |
| 21:38.27 | porkpie | guy's how would I add a mount to another server in fstab 192.168.1.100/exports/store /exports/store xfs defaults 00 with that work ? |
| 21:38.37 | valdyn | reh: ndiswrapper should support about any card. |
| 21:38.44 | mrgenixus | valdyn: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Belkin_F5D7050 |
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| 21:39.15 | valdyn | i would probably recommend ndiswrapper over rt2x00 |
| 21:39.40 | valdyn | at leats unti linux 2.6.25 is out |
| 21:39.51 | valdyn | oh this keyboard sucks |
| 21:39.52 | chops | porkpie: man 5 nfs |
| 21:40.04 | porkpie | chops:I have :S |
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| 21:40.38 | porkpie | chops:I have done it using mount but not sure of the syntax for fstab |
| 21:40.41 | chops | porkpie: So add a : after 192.168.1.100, change "xfs" to "nfs", add a space between the final 0s |
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| 21:40.58 | mrgenixus | valdyn: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/belkin-wireless-usb-f5d7050-howto-449166/ |
| 21:41.01 | chops | porkpie: Actually maybe just remove the final 0s entirely, since nfs(5) doesn't show them |
| 21:41.23 | valdyn | mrgenixus: show reh, not me |
| 21:41.27 | porkpie | chops thanks |
| 21:41.31 | chops | porkpie: np |
| 21:41.35 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 21:41.38 | mrgenixus | reh: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/belkin-wireless-usb-f5d7050-howto-449166/ |
| 21:41.55 | mrgenixus | valdyn: I just though you'd want to look at it |
| 21:42.08 | mrgenixus | but if not... |
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| 21:43.30 | mrgenixus | reh: moreover, i'd advise in the future you more fully investigate what hardware is supported, especially under linux.. I think it's really lucky that someone finally developed a native driver for the bcm43xx series cards.. using ndiswrapper isn't always pleasant |
| 21:43.39 | mrgenixus | !tell mrgenixus about ndiswrapper |
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| 21:44.09 | themill | !tell mrgenixus about bcm43xx |
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| 21:44.14 | reh | mrgenixus and valdyn: thanks so much for your help... Just so you know, I tried to do my homework before buying the wireless adapter. Someone in a forum had recommended the exact device but a slightly earlier model and said it worked out of the box with linux. I couldn't find that exact model, so I bought this one. |
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| 21:44.41 | mrgenixus | reh: which linux did it work out-of-the-box with? |
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| 21:45.06 | reh | it may have been ubuntu, but I don't recall |
| 21:45.12 | mrgenixus | and which linux comes in a box -- and why would you want that....? |
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| 21:45.32 | reh | not linux out of a box... the device out of the box |
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| 21:45.42 | reh | oh... joke |
| 21:45.43 | mrgenixus | oh, right -- they do come in those.... |
| 21:45.45 | stan-marcio | anyonw there knows how to make lighthttpd redirect to a certain .html file? (not index.html, but something like /bla/bla.html) |
| 21:45.49 | reh | sorry, I'm a little dull :-) |
| 21:46.09 | mrgenixus | reh: I'm sorry too the joke was pretty dull too |
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| 21:46.29 | reh | good for a chuckel :-) |
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| 21:47.28 | mrgenixus | I think this is a record for me... I rarely idle this long in #debian... |
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| 21:49.06 | reh | mrgenixus: you think I will do well to follow the step-by-step at |
| 21:49.08 | reh | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/belkin-wireless-usb-f5d7050-howto-449166/ |
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| 21:49.41 | mrgenixus | !tell reh ndiswrapper one-line |
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| 21:50.01 | mrgenixus | !tell reh ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:50.31 | abrotman | !tell mrgenixus about how to use the freaking bot |
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| 21:50.39 | abrotman | !tell reh about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:50.43 | mrgenixus | abrotman: ty |
| 21:50.50 | mrgenixus | reh ^^ that's what i'd do. |
| 21:51.00 | maxamillion | heh ... nice |
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| 21:51.11 | mrgenixus | almost everything else on that howto seems extra |
| 21:51.25 | mrgenixus | reh: but you will need the unpacked driver |
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| 21:52.32 | mrgenixus | abrotman: still waiting for instructions on usage from dpkg.... |
| 21:52.45 | reh | my head is exploding *0* ... what does the "unpacked driver" mean? Would that refer to the fact that I have already installed the device on a Windows device? |
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| 21:53.15 | simonrvn | "the device" would only get a firmware update, not the driver... |
| 21:53.29 | abrotman | mrgenixus: ignore it |
| 21:54.08 | mrgenixus | reh: you need the driver installer package (provided by belkin, on the cd?) and cabextract (apt-get install cabextract) |
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| 21:54.18 | Fabio_Como | on a linux box how can I know in which order the c compiler look for .h files? i mean in which dirs. thanks |
| 21:54.50 | mrgenixus | reh: then i'd run cabextract ON the driver installer to get the individual files. |
| 21:55.24 | __jah__ | chops: just wanted to say thanks about the iceweasel tip ... it certainly was a DPI related bug (I had to set layout.css.dpi to match my x dpi) |
| 21:55.31 | reh | mrgenixus, so cabextract will pull the driver off the installer CD? |
| 21:55.34 | chops | __jah__: np |
| 21:55.46 | mrgenixus | reh: after your've done the ndiswrapper one-liner, you should ndswrapper -i <diver.inf> (if I recal correctly, [reference man]) |
| 21:56.02 | chops | __jah__: That's actually very interesting... it points to a possible _fix_ for one thing... :-) |
| 21:56.05 | mrgenixus | reh: no, but once you find the installer on the cd, cabextract can decompress it |
| 21:56.43 | __jah__ | i read that -1 was autodetect, however mine was set to 0 |
| 21:56.45 | mrgenixus | or, i'll try to find it for you online |
| 21:56.46 | reh | What is "the ndiswrapper one-liner" |
| 21:57.03 | mrgenixus | reh, dpkg (the bot) should have pm'd it to you |
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| 21:57.37 | mrgenixus | or if not, now has (again) |
| 21:57.55 | enouf | dpkg: are you with us? |
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| 21:58.02 | chronic1 | valdyn: another stupid question...when dpk-buildpackage completes successfully...where is the package? |
| 21:58.05 | chops | !hello |
| 21:58.06 | dpkg | Hi, chops! |
| 21:58.15 | mrgenixus | yup |
| 21:58.17 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 21:58.18 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 21:58.27 | mrgenixus | oh god |
| 21:58.41 | enouf | heavenly |
| 21:58.42 | reh | mrgenixus: oh, I see a tab... that's probably what you mean |
| 21:58.48 | mrgenixus | uhyeah |
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| 21:59.13 | enouf | chronic1: usually up one level in the parent dir, iirc |
| 21:59.32 | chronic1 | and if you used fakeroot? |
| 21:59.59 | chronic1 | ah-hah...thanks |
| 22:00.02 | simonrvn | !factinfo where are you |
| 22:00.03 | dpkg | where are you -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Fri Oct 1 01:30:36 2004 (1229 days); it has been requested 53 times, last by darrh00 at Sun Jan 6 09:26:26 2008. |
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| 22:01.32 | brett | Is there an option to add a confirmation dialog to gnome's 'logout' button? |
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| 22:02.09 | simonrvn | it already does if you do it from the main menu |
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| 22:02.39 | brett | If I go system->Logout 'brett'... I get instantly logged out |
| 22:02.48 | brett | I'm on unstable though. |
| 22:03.13 | simonrvn | so ami... i don't recall where to do that, but it's certainly possible ;) |
| 22:03.13 | I440r | ok i got a question. i have a live cd for debian. one of the supposed boot images on that cd is "install" but when i select it it says it cannot find that boot image |
| 22:03.16 | simonrvn | am i* |
| 22:03.42 | I440r | same with all the other install options. so im looking for a net inst install cd and im seeing FOURTEEN cd images. what gives? |
| 22:03.44 | reh | mrgenixus: the message from dpkg... does that mean that I enter the entire line into the terminal? |
| 22:03.46 | reh | mrgenixus: aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 22:03.52 | sobersabre | I am on k7 CPU |
| 22:04.05 | sobersabre | I did not "get the kernel update" about the vmsplice. |
| 22:04.08 | I440r | no. im seeing 21 images |
| 22:04.11 | sobersabre | I mean I do: apt-get update |
| 22:04.16 | sobersabre | and then apt-get upgrade |
| 22:04.22 | sobersabre | and it doesn't try to upgrade the kernel!! |
| 22:04.28 | sobersabre | What can be the reason ? |
| 22:04.31 | simonrvn | I440r: that's just the whole set |
| 22:04.45 | I440r | simon. i can get by with just the first? |
| 22:04.52 | sobersabre | I have no /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 22:05.15 | simonrvn | yeh, and you can get a netinst, or businesscard, or whatever. just follow links on the cd page |
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| 22:06.05 | I440r | its the netinst that im trying to get. i dont know if i can get it working here but ill give it a shot. but the cd image i want is image ONE of the TWENTY-ONE iso's right? |
| 22:06.13 | Greek-Boy | how do I install dig on debian? |
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| 22:06.15 | eheil_ | hey. I thought that Debian's official channel had moved to OFTC.net. |
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| 22:06.34 | dondelelcaro | eheil_: we don't have a real official channel. |
| 22:07.06 | maligor | the official unofficial channel then? |
| 22:07.19 | simonrvn | I440r: yup. you don't need the other ones |
| 22:07.25 | I440r | phew |
| 22:07.26 | enouf | sobersabre: do dist-upgrade |
| 22:07.34 | dondelelcaro | it's official in that there are Debian Developers here, but that's pretty much all you're going to get. |
| 22:07.42 | Greek-Boy | so dig is not so popular on debian? |
| 22:07.44 | I440r | i was downloading the three dvd iso's but its going to take 10 hours EACH for those |
| 22:07.46 | dondelelcaro | there's no GR or DPL recognition of this (or the OFTC) channels. |
| 22:08.01 | I440r | if its going to take that long anyway i might as well fight my netinst issues here |
| 22:08.04 | simonrvn | "ooh, real DDs! OMFGWTFKTHX!" ;) |
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| 22:08.10 | I440r | issues with my network, not with netinst |
| 22:08.14 | sobersabre | enouf: 1. why ? 2. I did that. |
| 22:08.33 | enouf | sobersabre: make sure you have only one release listed, and you have a security.debian.org line |
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| 22:09.04 | sobersabre | enouf: thanks, I have only etch, and some backports |
| 22:09.11 | sobersabre | still for etch. |
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| 22:09.21 | sobersabre | can this be a problem of a mirror ? |
| 22:09.30 | enouf | sobersabre: the k7 version is depreceated and merged with 686 |
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| 22:09.51 | sobersabre | enouf: so, shall I simply change the kernel to 686 ? |
| 22:09.53 | infinity0 | how do i send email in debian? |
| 22:10.01 | sobersabre | infinity0: in many ways. |
| 22:10.06 | enouf | sobersabre: yes, one second pls |
| 22:10.09 | sobersabre | usually you will need a MUA. |
| 22:10.14 | infinity0 | well, i tried sendmail but that doesn't seem to work |
| 22:10.18 | dkr | echo hi |mail -s "my subject" foo@bar.com |
| 22:10.22 | infinity0 | which is an alias for exim4 |
| 22:10.35 | sobersabre | infinity0: have you configured the exim4 ? |
| 22:10.38 | infinity0 | nope |
| 22:10.42 | infinity0 | how do i do that? |
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| 22:10.45 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 22:10.45 | dpkg | i heard k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 22:10.51 | sobersabre | infinity0: maybe you should.... tried that ? |
| 22:10.56 | sobersabre | enouf: thanks! |
| 22:11.00 | enouf | sobersabre: see that? |
| 22:11.01 | enouf | ok |
| 22:11.12 | sobersabre | I usually blame gremlins for problems like that. |
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| 22:11.41 | mrgenixus | reh, yeah sorry, the whole line |
| 22:11.56 | simonrvn | aptitude install mailx (though it probably is already) and use that, or get mutt, or whatever |
| 22:11.59 | mrgenixus | reh: important phone call |
| 22:12.17 | eheil_ | ctcp clientinfo |
| 22:12.22 | enouf | ope you get lucky |
| 22:12.27 | reh | mrgenixus: np ... I thought you had gotten fed-up with noob ignorance :-) |
| 22:12.38 | sofe | hi, how can i install nvidia driver for my go 6100 card on amd64 lenny, so far i have installed nvidia-kernel-common & nvidia-settings & nvidia-cg-toolkit, do i need to recompile a kernel? i tried nvidia oneliner, but i cant find a kernel. |
| 22:13.19 | enouf | sofe: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) , iinm |
| 22:13.22 | mrgenixus | reh: yeah -- cause i'm the self-hating kind -- you never really stop being a n00b until you're practiced at being pedantic and self-important |
| 22:13.31 | sobersabre | enouf: thanks for the pointer :) |
| 22:13.34 | sofe | enouf, ty, what is iinm |
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| 22:13.51 | enouf | !iinm |
| 22:13.51 | dpkg | hmm... iinm is If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 22:13.58 | mrgenixus | reh: linux is too beg to be an expert at everything |
| 22:14.15 | mrgenixus | !iirc |
| 22:14.15 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 22:14.33 | enouf | sofe: it won't hurt to have them .. just sometimes it confuses new kernel builders to have both source and headers |
| 22:14.58 | mrgenixus | reh beg/big |
| 22:15.02 | enouf | sofe: also ensure you install build-essential |
| 22:15.03 | reh | :-) |
| 22:15.10 | eheil_ | Well, depends. you may not even need the actual headers. At least for building kernel, you don't certainly need them. |
| 22:15.26 | sofe | enouf, installed with apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r), and build essential |
| 22:15.31 | enouf | the source has headers |
| 22:15.34 | sofe | enouf, how to build? |
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| 22:15.45 | eheil_ | make-kpkg |
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| 22:15.48 | enouf | sofe: try the one-iner again |
| 22:15.48 | to__ | hi |
| 22:16.00 | mrgenixus | to__: hi? |
| 22:16.03 | sofe | !nvidia oneliner |
| 22:16.03 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 22:16.19 | to__ | mrgenixus, yes good evening |
| 22:16.20 | enouf | !tell sofe -about selftell |
| 22:16.28 | enouf | sofe: no worries |
| 22:16.35 | sofe | enouf, sorry ty |
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| 22:17.15 | sofe | enouf, it burbs could not find nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 22:17.21 | enouf | sofe: i never used 3D drivers, so just giving you what i know, and that's about all i know about it ;-) |
| 22:17.31 | enouf | hrm |
| 22:17.37 | freezer | hi |
| 22:18.07 | sofe | enouf, do i need to build something? |
| 22:18.24 | mrgenixus | enouf: why are we not using m-a anymore w/ nvidia? |
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| 22:18.29 | enouf | sofe: no, i don't think so = are you pasting in that command? hrm .. try the wiki.debian.org? there are other nvidia factoids |
| 22:18.39 | enouf | sofe: that version name seems odd to me |
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| 22:18.49 | enouf | nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 <-- that one |
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| 22:19.30 | enouf | sofe: what's COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-* say? |
| 22:19.33 | bolt | woo |
| 22:19.36 | bolt | x-fi going open! |
| 22:19.37 | bolt | :D |
| 22:19.48 | enouf | no wai |
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| 22:19.56 | sofe | enouf, i need ia32-libs, hold on |
| 22:20.11 | mrgenixus | bolt: what are you on about? |
| 22:20.30 | enouf | sofe: so you missed this part? --> (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 22:20.54 | sofe | enouf, nvidia-glx-ia32 is replaced by ia32-libs |
| 22:21.10 | enouf | hrm |
| 22:21.12 | bolt | mrgenixus: just read that creative is finally cooperating with the oss and alsa people |
| 22:21.24 | enouf | shows how much i know about it |
| 22:21.41 | mrgenixus | bolt: wow, i didn't realize it had been that cold... |
| 22:22.00 | themill | sofe: are you sure? http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 22:22.01 | bolt | mrgenixus: indeed |
| 22:22.10 | sofe | enouf, ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1 for COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-* |
| 22:22.18 | enouf | sofe: are you using etch or testing? |
| 22:22.24 | mrgenixus | bolt: still, yay! quality recodring under linux... who'da thunk'it |
| 22:22.29 | sofe | enouf, testing (lenny) |
| 22:22.49 | bolt | mrgenixus: i assume they're going to help make a so-so linux driver and then release a new bombshell soundcard, though |
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| 22:23.02 | enouf | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 22:23.02 | dpkg | methinks nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:23.06 | mrgenixus | bolt: a so-so linux driver line the nvidia driver? |
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| 22:23.36 | mrgenixus | enouf: yeah -- I wondered about the rest of that |
| 22:23.39 | enouf | sofe: frome the original one-liner factoid --> "Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>." |
| 22:23.49 | sofe | enouf, there is no nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:23.56 | enouf | oh boy |
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| 22:24.07 | enouf | i think testing is broken, iirc now |
| 22:24.08 | Radly | Barack Obama voted FOR the Patriot Act, more funding for America's aggression in Iraq, and every increased spending measure he could get his lying articulate hands on. Hmmm lets add some more contradictions and exposed lies...... In the NH debate, he called for going into Pakistan. In many speaches he has advocated going into Africa for peacekeeping. (Sounds like that would be worse than Vietnam!) |
| 22:24.08 | mrgenixus | sofe yeah -- there is |
| 22:24.13 | Radly | Oh yeah!!! THAT WILL REALLY HEAL AMERICA. Keep on believing it Obamatards. You all will be sorry, as Barack Hussein Obama is no better than Clinton or Edwards. |
| 22:24.17 | enouf | Radly: stfu |
| 22:24.22 | themill | Radly: please go away |
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| 22:25.03 | sofe | enouf, is it contrib or non-free? |
| 22:25.04 | enouf | sofe: i'm almost as lost as you are at this point now - atleast we didn't damage your system ... yet ;-) |
| 22:25.15 | sofe | enouf :) |
| 22:25.17 | mrgenixus | sofe: that should be non-free |
| 22:25.23 | enouf | er, add non-free |
| 22:25.26 | sofe | ok, hold on i try |
| 22:25.32 | enouf | the update |
| 22:25.36 | enouf | apt-get update |
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| 22:25.56 | mrgenixus | enouf: regrettably, this is why I think I'm keeping debian on servers, and switching to a different distro for desktop. |
| 22:26.05 | enouf | !find nvidia-kernel-source lenny |
| 22:26.10 | mrgenixus | nvidia install is non-painful on else |
| 22:26.15 | Obligatory | Trivia: I was just playing with 'xgraph' and noticed that *nix command file sizes tend to have long tail distributions: http://www.pastebin.org/19314 |
| 22:26.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvidia-kernel-source' (1): (/usr/share/modass/packages/nvidia-kernel-source) in devel/module-assistant. |
| 22:26.28 | enouf | whoops, dang |
| 22:26.33 | enouf | !info nvidia-kernel-source lenny |
| 22:26.39 | Obligatory | Oh boy nvidia again. |
| 22:26.43 | enouf | hrm |
| 22:26.47 | enouf | !info nvidia-kernel-source sid |
| 22:26.51 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 169.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4993 kB, Installed size: 5044 kB |
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| 22:27.03 | enouf | non-free |
| 22:27.11 | mrgenixus | that's what I said. |
| 22:27.16 | sofe | enouf, i had already non-free and contrib in sources.list, it has no instalable candiadate however it is referred too ;( |
| 22:27.21 | enouf | me too, but making sure |
| 22:27.26 | mrgenixus | consider it's a closed source driver and all.... |
| 22:27.28 | enouf | you need it from sid |
| 22:27.42 | sofe | enouf, oh boy, how to do that |
| 22:27.42 | enouf | it's not in ttesting |
| 22:27.53 | enouf | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in lenny |
| 22:27.53 | dpkg | enouf: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:28.01 | sofe | enouf, download it and install it with dpkg? |
| 22:28.02 | enouf | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 22:28.03 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:28.17 | Obligatory | general question: Debian packages have fields for package dependencies; why not hardware dependencies? |
| 22:28.17 | enouf | sofe: i would say that's the best way |
| 22:28.27 | sofe | enouf, ok, hold on |
| 22:28.58 | simonrvn | Obligatory: why? |
| 22:29.06 | joltcan | Obligatory: Well, there are different branches for different architectures |
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| 22:29.32 | |DuReX| | i'm changing my SATA RAID module to get it working with 2.6.24.2 kernel, the following line gives a problem: 'page_address(sgList[idx].page) + sgList[idx].offset);' |
| 22:29.36 | |DuReX| | changed it to: '(HPT_U8 *)sg_virt(sgList[idx])' |
| 22:29.41 | |DuReX| | but then i get: error: incompatible type for argument 1 of `sg_virt' |
| 22:30.11 | Obligatory | simonrvn, like 'nvidia' there's three installers, (including legacy), and users mix them up. Suppose the installer checked 'lspci' and fetched the right one. |
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| 22:30.30 | mrgenixus | Obligatory: becuase the driver is wrong |
| 22:30.31 | Obligatory | s/like// |
| 22:30.38 | simonrvn | not up to the package management to do that |
| 22:30.49 | mrgenixus | Obligatory: the driver that is suppoed to work doesn't work with mx440go, for example |
| 22:31.04 | to__ | I'd like to use 2 different ftp servers: proftpd and vsftpd. proftpd is already installed on my debian etch and I can see vsftpd is in conflict with all others ftp servers... What can I do? recompile it manually? is there a recommand method to get around this issue? |
| 22:31.06 | wng- | whats the best way to install flashplugin on etch? |
| 22:31.21 | mrgenixus | to__: why would you use more than one? |
| 22:31.25 | enouf | |DuReX|: what are you actually changing? and from whereb is that message from? |
| 22:31.37 | themill | !tell wng- about adobe flash |
| 22:31.48 | themill | wng-: grab it from either backports.org or debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:31.49 | Obligatory | mrgenixus, simonrvn, xchat autocompletion keeps giving me other guys names: " Mr-R , Simoneloco " argh. |
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| 22:31.53 | to__ | mrgenixus, for different usages |
| 22:31.54 | |DuReX| | enouf: os_set_sgptr(&pSg[idx], (HPT_U8 *)sg_virt(sgList[idx])); |
| 22:31.57 | |DuReX| | this is whole line |
| 22:32.01 | sofe | enouf, i downloaded it, try to install it, blurb about dependecies, apt-get -f install , and tried again, its installed now, how to compile? |
| 22:32.08 | Perplexed_Entity | i'm back again, still stuck. |
| 22:32.08 | |DuReX| | its some sata raid driver module |
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| 22:32.13 | wng- | themill, ill try, thanks |
| 22:32.23 | Obligatory | mrgenixus, I don't get the mx440go example. |
| 22:32.31 | Perplexed_Entity | how do i recreate the fstab file? it got conked out... |
| 22:32.33 | enouf | mrgenixus: i have yet to try the nvidia-legacy drivers with mt ancient tnt2 pro 32M agp card O.o |
| 22:32.42 | mrgenixus | to__: you're going to have to be more specific -- what you're doing seems overly complicated |
| 22:32.51 | Obligatory | simonrvn, "not up to" begs question? (not sure) |
| 22:33.02 | enouf | |DuReX|: from dmesg? kern.log? |
| 22:33.14 | wng- | themill, when I try to install from backports or the flashplayer-mozilla from dmm it complains about dependencys |
| 22:33.23 | enouf | oh, some module parameters? |
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| 22:33.36 | |DuReX| | enouf: when i compile it :) |
| 22:33.36 | mrgenixus | Obligatory: initially, it was supposed to be supported by the newest drivers, which refused to installe dbased on hardware compatibility (ironic?) so I tried legacy, which is also not right. |
| 22:33.38 | Obligatory | enouf, I've installed legacy drivers, and that card needs 'em. |
| 22:33.41 | |DuReX| | its in the drive source |
| 22:33.56 | enouf | |DuReX|: sorry, dunno then :-( |
| 22:33.59 | sofe | enouf, or do i need just to compile the module, and how to do that? |
| 22:34.03 | enouf | sofe: ok |
| 22:34.06 | mrgenixus | Obligatory: ultimately, a friend of mine download the 83.xx drivers and they worked fine, but I used the nvidia installer instead of m-a to do it, in the end |
| 22:34.35 | enouf | sofe: erm, now that you have all you need, "/msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch" and follow that |
| 22:34.50 | themill | wng-: shouldn't do. (works here). Can you pastebin exactly what it says and also your sources.list? |
| 22:34.55 | sofe | enouf, ok thx very much! |
| 22:35.06 | Obligatory | mrgenixus, so supposing there were hardware fields, wouldn't that mxg thing be a hypothetical package conflict? i.e. a bug. |
| 22:35.09 | to__ | mrgenixus, my favorite ftp server is vsftpd, I well know it and I can do things I can't on others ftp servers. But my cpanel application depends on proftpd, and I can't live without. This is why I need them both |
| 22:35.23 | mrgenixus | Obligatory: yes, but bugs on debian are a problem |
| 22:35.38 | enouf | sofe: seems like from this onward is what's needed; m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:35.52 | Obligatory | mrgenixus, I think the BTS is one of the best things about Debian. |
| 22:35.59 | enouf | sofe: np |
| 22:36.04 | mrgenixus | to__: ok. install the second one. change the port in the config file |
| 22:36.16 | mrgenixus | Obligatory: I'm a big fan of the BTS |
| 22:36.24 | Obligatory | Yah BTS. |
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| 22:36.29 | mrgenixus | I just have observed debian seems understaffed |
| 22:36.34 | Obligatory | s/Yah/Yay/ |
| 22:36.50 | Obligatory | We're all the staff ... |
| 22:36.52 | chops | mrgenixus: Is your metric "important bugs in upstream packages always get fixed by Debian developers?" :-) |
| 22:36.53 | mrgenixus | so tracking the bugs is, perhaps, less usefull |
| 22:36.58 | enouf | Obligatory: i need them? for 2D ? |
| 22:37.03 | wng- | themill, http://pastebin.com/m6a91bc96 |
| 22:37.04 | mrgenixus | I'm not staff -- I was fired for being incompetent |
| 22:37.11 | Obligatory | enouf, not 2D, no. |
| 22:37.18 | enouf | Obligatory: you think it'll make my ..oh ok ;-) |
| 22:37.22 | sofe | enouf, almost went ok, but ... it blurbs nvidia-glx is not available |
| 22:37.24 | chops | mrgenixus: I would argue that good bug tracking is _more_ important when bugs don't get fixed promptly (as, indeed, they often don't in Debian) |
| 22:37.26 | Obligatory | enouf, 3d yes. |
| 22:37.30 | to__ | mrgenixus, but if I install vsftpd, it breaks my cpanel dependances because vsftpd is marked to be in conflict with proftpd in aptitude |
| 22:37.39 | enouf | ofcourse, i new that Obligatory - but thanks |
| 22:37.44 | mrgenixus | chops: no, I'm being critical of a system I'm unwilling/unable to contribute to for lack of skill, time and/or energy |
| 22:37.52 | enouf | sofe: hrm |
| 22:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, gs got deinstalled... which gs is preferrable, btw gs-apfl, gs-esp or gs-glp? |
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| 22:38.06 | mrgenixus | to__ it sounds like you'll have to make a choice, or install vsftp from a tarball |
| 22:38.07 | sofe | enouf, do i need to get that from sid too? |
| 22:38.13 | themill | wng-: ahhh... you're running amd64 not i686. That's a different kettle of fish. |
| 22:38.27 | enouf | sofe: dpkg -l nvidia-glx* |
| 22:38.32 | wng- | sorry for not mentioning that :x |
| 22:38.35 | to__ | mrgenixus, ok, let's tarball it! |
| 22:38.38 | mrgenixus | to__: (it will be invisible to aptitude if you do that) |
| 22:38.48 | mrgenixus | to__: don't say I said so |
| 22:38.55 | mrgenixus | I'd choose. |
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| 22:39.09 | redrain | Hi, I need some advice. Which CPU do you prefer for a laptop? AMD Turion 64 X2 with 1MB CPU cache OR Intel Core Duo with 2MB cache? |
| 22:39.23 | mrgenixus | red door#2bob' |
| 22:39.27 | to__ | mrgenixus, I'll say it to everyone I meet |
| 22:39.27 | sofe | enouf, un nvidia-glx <geen> (geen beschrijving beschikbaar) | un nvidia-glx-ia3 <geen> (geen beschrijving beschikbaar) |
| 22:39.31 | enouf | sofe: is your card a geForce 2 or older? |
| 22:39.34 | mrgenixus | to__: you're a bad person |
| 22:39.41 | sofe | enouf, go 6100 |
| 22:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, gs packages are there, yet, there is no /usr/bin/gs |
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| 22:39.55 | enouf | sofe: ok, so .. i don't think so then |
| 22:39.58 | to__ | mrgenixus, and I'll remember your name: mrgenixus |
| 22:40.04 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: It may be handled by alternatives... |
| 22:40.12 | reh | mrgenixus: I am following the (previously mentioned) instructions. It says to run a command, 'cp Makefile.6 ./Makefile for kernels 2.6.*' |
| 22:40.13 | reh | mrgenixus: when I do, it says, cp: target '2.6.*' is not a directory |
| 22:40.14 | mrgenixus | to__: but can you pronounce it.... |
| 22:40.20 | junglegymer | csa |
| 22:40.22 | sofe | enouf, newer i think, this laptop is 1 year old |
| 22:40.28 | junglegymer | van itt valaki magyar? |
| 22:40.31 | to__ | yes: mrgenixus, easily |
| 22:40.37 | mrgenixus | reh pastebin? |
| 22:40.40 | simonrvn | to__: cpanel isn't supported here |
| 22:40.46 | mrgenixus | to__: yeah? sounds like? |
| 22:40.52 | wng- | themill, anything I can do to install it? |
| 22:40.55 | enouf | sofe: i'm not entirely sure you need that - but if you do ; apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-ia32* |
| 22:40.59 | junglegymer | apparently not... |
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| 22:41.02 | reh | mrgenixus: what do you mean, "pastebin?" |
| 22:41.03 | chops | reh: I believe those instructions mean: For kernels 2.6.*, do the command 'cp Makefile.6 Makefile' |
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| 22:41.22 | enouf | sofe: see how without COLUMNS=175 the nvidia-glx-ia3xxxx is truncated? |
| 22:41.23 | to__ | simonrvn, it's not really cpanel related, but more about aptitude dependancies |
| 22:41.25 | mrgenixus | reh: http://pastebin.ca what does it say exactly, and what are you typing in? |
| 22:41.35 | azeem | reh: the command probably stops before the "for" |
| 22:41.36 | Obligatory | Last call forTrivia: *nix command bin sizes have long tails: http://www.pastebin.org/19314 |
| 22:41.37 | sofe | enouf, no instalable candidate however it is referred too |
| 22:41.44 | enouf | sofe: do export LANG=C for always english output in that session or terminal |
| 22:41.53 | themill | wng-: I understand that you need to install a 32bit browser in a 32bit chroot and then install then install the plugin within that. Or there is an nspluginwrapper floating around that can solve things for you. Sorry, I don't do amd64 ;) |
| 22:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops, it is... and that was pointing to gs-afpl which was not present - but... still there should be a softlink from /usr/bin/gs to /etc/alternatives/gs - and that's still missing |
| 22:41.58 | simonrvn | to__: and cpanel is fucking them up. live with it, or install properly |
| 22:42.17 | sofe | enouf, ok, just did |
| 22:42.21 | wng- | themill, alright, thanks |
| 22:42.22 | mrgenixus | simonrvn: ?? |
| 22:42.25 | enouf | sofe: i would ask others, i doubt you need legacy anything .. and i don't want you to mess up all your previous work |
| 22:42.27 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: That sounds broken |
| 22:42.29 | Obligatory | Long tales are probably inevitable, I guess. |
| 22:42.35 | enouf | gah |
| 22:42.37 | sofe | enouf, Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:42.38 | sofe | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 22:42.38 | sofe | is only available from another source |
| 22:42.38 | Obligatory | s/tales/tails/ |
| 22:42.41 | mrgenixus | simonrvn: I suspect to__ may have a solution, after all |
| 22:42.51 | simonrvn | mrgenixus: i was not talking to you |
| 22:43.04 | mrgenixus | simonrvn: oh, my mistake |
| 22:43.29 | enouf | sofe: perhaps it's only in sid as well , or etch too - not sure, please ask others .. again, so we don't ruin what you have, UNLESS, you need to satisfy .. oh wait |
| 22:43.34 | ubd | is there a ftp fetcher with gui? |
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| 22:43.43 | chops | ubd: Many |
| 22:43.51 | Obligatory | udb, many. 'mc' works. |
| 22:43.52 | ubd | name one pls |
| 22:43.58 | ubd | allright |
| 22:44.00 | ubd | thanks |
| 22:44.02 | mrgenixus | ubd: firefox |
| 22:44.14 | mrgenixus | er, iceweasel? |
| 22:44.17 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.17 | ubd | hehe |
| 22:44.19 | Obligatory | ubd, also 'gftp-gtk' |
| 22:44.20 | enouf | sofe: apt-cache depends nvidia-kernel-source .. rwemember, you force installed it |
| 22:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: yes.. wonder what did it |
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| 22:44.29 | chops | ubd: You may also want to use curlftpfs, which mounts an ftp directory just as a local directory, so you can use your favorite GUI file management tool on it |
| 22:44.39 | themill | ubd: filezilla is good |
| 22:44.45 | sofe | enouf, of coarse, hold on i try |
| 22:44.45 | enouf | sofe: install those needed/missing depends |
| 22:44.51 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: If you can reproduce it, it's probably worth a trip to the BTS |
| 22:45.05 | mrgenixus | yay BTS? |
| 22:45.07 | Obligatory | udb, really 'mc' is harder to use at first, so try other examples first. |
| 22:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: update-alternatives only makes the soft-link in /etc/alternatives, right? what should make the softlink to /etc/alternatives/ |
| 22:45.51 | Obligatory | Yes, Yay BTS. Hooray BTS, noble BTS, it's banners wave oer high... |
| 22:46.12 | enouf | chops: i have a silly question, ready? |
| 22:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: I'd have loads of silly answers, if need be :) |
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| 22:46.41 | enouf | chops: (referring to porkpie from earlier) doesn't the 192.168.x.x require a leading '//' such like //192.168.x.x:/ ? .. or it's not required or is meant only for certain types of mounts like samba? ..or a prefixing // should not be used at all? |
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| 22:47.07 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm actually not sure how... I always assumued it was hand-hackery in postinst, but I guess I don't really know |
| 22:47.08 | enouf | chops: and fstab entries |
| 22:47.10 | Obligatory | Cheerleader... Debian Cheerleaders, yeah that's it. But how would that work? Webcams? |
| 22:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: ok |
| 22:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: // is samba only afaik |
| 22:47.44 | chops | enouf: It depends on the context; samba does use two leading slashes, and it's relatively rare in other places. |
| 22:47.45 | enouf | i see, ok |
| 22:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | or actually "\\" but that isn't so smart under unix... |
| 22:47.56 | enouf | thanks chops and CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 22:48.00 | chops | enouf: np |
| 22:48.14 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: never! |
| 22:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | \\\\ :) |
| 22:48.36 | enouf | ok, i got a little tidbit in return |
| 22:48.51 | enouf | when dealing with spaces in fstab lines, use \040 |
| 22:49.04 | chops | enouf: Bleargh |
| 22:49.29 | enouf | nyuck nyuck |
| 22:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I just make the softlink myself and wait if it happens again :) |
| 22:50.06 | enouf | only mpoop weenies use spaces , so no matter |
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| 22:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | was funny anyways... |
| 22:50.45 | enouf | sofe: i'm getting hungry dear ;-) |
| 22:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ever tried calling gv or evince without having a gs? |
| 22:50.51 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: That's a popular approach as well. :-) |
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| 22:51.06 | mrgenixus | enouf: regarding the double-backslash mark that has a name 'unc' path |
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| 22:51.13 | |||seb||| | how turn mod_proxy in Apache in you installed from source? |
| 22:51.16 | mrgenixus | it's mostly a microsoft thing |
| 22:51.24 | mrgenixus | enouf: you use it with m$ protocols |
| 22:51.27 | Obligatory | Q: besides 'lde' what's do y'all use to browse hard disk sectors? Preferably GUI... |
| 22:51.28 | chops | |||seb|||: Why did you install it from source? |
| 22:51.34 | enouf | mrgenixus: i know .. unfortuantely, thanks |
| 22:51.36 | sofe | enouf, got it compiled installed and configged, gone reboot |
| 22:51.41 | simonrvn | with that smiley it starts looking like elisp regexp escaping ) --> \\) |
| 22:51.42 | enouf | ok |
| 22:51.42 | reh | What does this mean? |
| 22:51.44 | reh | For kernels 2.6.*, do the command 'cp Makefile.6 Makefile' |
| 22:51.46 | |||seb||| | chops: i'm on a machine i don't have full control over |
| 22:51.53 | |||seb||| | chops: lame i now |
| 22:51.54 | |||seb||| | know |
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| 22:52.05 | sofe | enouf, thnak you so far! |
| 22:52.08 | enouf | your pipes are what |
| 22:52.09 | cmdln | afternoon |
| 22:52.15 | enouf | 's lame ;-) |
| 22:52.19 | chops | |||seb|||: Ask the admin to set it up properly, or ask him/her to fix your problem? :-/ |
| 22:52.22 | enouf | put down the pipe! |
| 22:52.33 | chops | |||seb|||: What are you trying to do? Get a Debian apache to use a hand-compiled mod_proxy? |
| 22:52.58 | |||seb||| | chops: putting apache on old linux machine rather than upgrade the os |
| 22:53.20 | chops | |||seb|||: Ugh. Good luck. Upgrading will be far less painful in the long run. |
| 22:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: thanks for the suggestions, tho :) |
| 22:53.25 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: np |
| 22:53.27 | reh | mrgenixus: do you have any idea that the following means? For kernels 2.6.*, do the command 'cp Makefile.6 Makefile' |
| 22:53.34 | simonrvn | |||seb|||'s been smoking too much ;) |
| 22:53.36 | cmdln | does anyone use djbdns - dnscache? I cant seem to get it to answer queries other than from local host, I did touch /var/lib/svscan/dnscache/root/ip/172.16 as I am on that network, even touching my ip there does not seem to help |
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| 22:54.58 | themill | !nickometer |||seb||| |
| 22:54.59 | dpkg | '|||seb|||' is 99.9253% lame, themill |
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| 22:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | > 99.9 lame? |
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| 22:56.15 | metaperl | what browser plays shockwave flash on debian/etch? |
| 22:56.17 | chris_hat_irc | unfortunately i misconfiguerad my prefernces file of apt and got many packages of a repository which i don't want. Is there a possibility to get alle stable packages back? |
| 22:56.30 | azeem | metaperl: plugins play flash, not browsers |
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| 22:56.54 | chops | metaperl: I believe the package is flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:57.06 | enouf | themill: haha |
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| 22:57.54 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: er, you might want to try yourself in private ;-) |
| 22:58.17 | enouf | no sofe :-( |
| 22:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: ha... |
| 22:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: what does it do? |
| 22:58.45 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: Source for the bot is available (blootbot) |
| 22:58.50 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i meant the nicokmeter thing |
| 22:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: I know... |
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| 22:59.04 | enouf | oh |
| 22:59.15 | enouf | dpkg what are you |
| 22:59.16 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 22:59.16 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: punctuation is punished, camel case is a little too |
| 22:59.32 | enouf | camel case... hehe |
| 22:59.43 | Obligatory | dpkg why? |
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| 22:59.48 | chops | themill: I think length should be punished as well |
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| 22:59.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what punctuation? and what cases do camels have |
| 23:00.12 | enouf | chops: well the 16 char limit is there for a reason |
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| 23:00.19 | dkr | CutMeOwnThroat: the KindWithHumps |
| 23:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah :) |
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| 23:00.36 | enouf | like ipv6 .. forward thinking O.o |
| 23:00.48 | metaperl | chops: thanks for the lead |
| 23:01.05 | metaperl | so I want to add contrib and non-free to my deb line |
| 23:01.15 | enouf | !non-free |
| 23:01.15 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:01.28 | enouf | metaperl: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 23:01.41 | Tar-Get | hi, I am installing subversion with the following tuto: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn?from=10&comments_per_page=10 |
| 23:01.41 | Tar-Get | in the apache virtualhost config example they use "SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem", but there is no directory 'ssl' in my apache2 folder |
| 23:02.09 | Tar-Get | does someone know if it is somewhere else |
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| 23:02.51 | enouf | maybe you need the liapache2-mod-ssl or something? |
| 23:02.59 | enouf | man my typing sucks |
| 23:02.59 | chops | metaperl: np |
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| 23:03.23 | Obligatory | Tar-Get, installing subversion as in the subversion package, to a Debian system? |
| 23:03.52 | dkr | enouf: mod_ssl comes with apache2*, it's not a separate package like it was for apache-1.3.x |
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| 23:04.10 | enouf | !find ssl/apache.perm |
| 23:04.18 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ssl/apache.perm' returned no results. |
| 23:04.19 | enouf | dkr: ok |
| 23:04.33 | Perplexed_Entity | wondering if anyone can help with this problem: i can't boot anymore after migrating from a PATA drive to a SATA one. i already changed the parameters in fstab, rebuilt the initrd, reinstalled the whole kernelpackage |
| 23:04.55 | Perplexed_Entity | but i'm always getting a panic with the message "begin: waiting for root file system" |
| 23:05.06 | enouf | Tar-Get: maybe you should follow the debian documentation ;-) |
| 23:05.07 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, can you boot any other OS, or is this pre boot loader? |
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| 23:05.23 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: i can boot into live CD's, yeah |
| 23:05.39 | Perplexed_Entity | (otherwise i wouldn't have been able to try the above) |
| 23:05.41 | Tar-Get | enouf: the tutorial is for debian ... |
| 23:05.42 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, but not the HD? |
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| 23:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, thx, I see :) |
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| 23:05.58 | enouf | Tar-Get: it's not official docs, afaict |
| 23:06.08 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: booting into debian CD rescue mode i can access the disk, chroot and all |
| 23:06.17 | Perplexed_Entity | but when i reboot it's stuck there |
| 23:06.20 | metaperl | I installed libflash-mozplugin but iceweasel still cannot play the shockwave on this page http://67.55.50.201/lilly/cogitatex.html |
| 23:06.25 | Tar-Get | hmm, ok, I'll have a look at the official docs |
| 23:06.26 | Obligatory | Tar-get, wouldn't this work: apt-get install subversion |
| 23:06.28 | enouf | Tar-Get: you do realize there may be dated and mistaken info out there? |
| 23:06.39 | Tar-Get | Obligatory: I did this |
| 23:06.48 | Obligatory | Tar-Get, and? |
| 23:06.53 | Perplexed_Entity | i'm out of ammo, what else could i try? |
| 23:07.00 | Tar-Get | that was for installing svn |
| 23:07.02 | chris_hat_irc | can i downgrade all packages to the version of the stable repository? |
| 23:07.03 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, hol' on... |
| 23:07.06 | chops | Perplexed_Entity: Did you remake the initrd? |
| 23:07.22 | Tar-Get | Obligatory: it's the websvn configuration |
| 23:07.26 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, it automatically did that when i reinstalled the kernel package |
| 23:07.35 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, can you mount the drives from knoppix, or a bootdisk? |
| 23:07.36 | streuner | !+tell chris_hat_irc -about downgrade |
| 23:07.37 | dpkg | told chris_hat_irc about downgrade. |
| 23:07.48 | chops | Perplexed_Entity: Huh |
| 23:07.48 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: alter your #groot= line or your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 23:07.52 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: sure, that's what i've been doing to try solutions |
| 23:08.14 | chops | Perplexed_Entity: The only gotcha I'm aware of is that you need to remake the initrd from a kernel that's similar to the kernel you're booting, where "similar" is not well defined |
| 23:08.19 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, you use 'lilo', 'grub' or what? |
| 23:08.20 | Perplexed_Entity | enouf: what should i change that to? my current root is /dev/sda1 |
| 23:08.25 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: grub |
| 23:08.29 | chops | Perplexed_Entity: If you're booting from a Debian rescue CD, it's supposed to work, though... |
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| 23:08.57 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: read the comments in the ###Automagic area .. note the # are processed, the ## are comments |
| 23:09.11 | Perplexed_Entity | chops: that's what puzzles me as well. somehow, the live disc can mount and chroot to that drive, but not the kernel. |
| 23:09.14 | metaperl | Oh, it's a Director file... now to figure out how to play that on Linux |
| 23:09.31 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: maybe your initrd is screwed, who knows |
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| 23:09.34 | Perplexed_Entity | enouf: thanks for that, i'll try right now. hold on |
| 23:09.35 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, drat, I only from lilo. Anyway, I guess you'd mount the disk, do a 'chroot', and run whatever boot loader refersher thing is needed. |
| 23:09.38 | up_the_irons | i know this isn't exactly a debian question, but.. does anyone know how to build the Xen tools ('make tools' in the Xen source tree) *without* the X11 stuff. I hate dirtying up my server w/ the X11 libs that i'll never ever use |
| 23:10.00 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, that would be update-grub |
| 23:10.13 | Obligatory | Tar-Get, sorry I dunno from websvn. |
| 23:10.14 | Perplexed_Entity | or manuallyhacksawing the drives to use |
| 23:10.27 | Perplexed_Entity | manually hacksawing^ |
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| 23:10.50 | Perplexed_Entity | anyway, let me try, BRB |
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| 23:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... I feel watched: http://ircarc.com/freenode-debian/1250.html |
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| 23:12.24 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, looking back at what you said, it's a PATA/SATA thing. So the LiveCD sees the drive, but the SATA HD doesn't... |
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| 23:12.45 | Perplexed_Entity | enouf: /boot/grub/device.map has only floppy and hd0 definitions in it, there's nothing else |
| 23:12.51 | no3sc | Anyone here that could tell me how to use the "grafical" / menubased version of module-assistant. Or something similar. I used it like 6 months ago and forgot what it's called or how to get to it :/ |
| 23:13.15 | Obligatory | no3sc, text based 'm-a'. |
| 23:13.20 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: |
| 23:13.21 | enouf | $ grep hd /boot/grub/device.map |
| 23:13.21 | enouf | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 23:13.33 | enouf | does yours say hda? or sda? |
| 23:13.37 | Perplexed_Entity | sda |
| 23:13.44 | no3sc | Obligatory: Yes, but I want the grafical version =) With checkboxes and alike |
| 23:13.46 | Perplexed_Entity | although, the actual root drive is sda1 |
| 23:13.47 | enouf | well, ok, hat was my point |
| 23:13.54 | enouf | no that's fine |
| 23:13.55 | Perplexed_Entity | maybe i should change to that? |
| 23:13.59 | Perplexed_Entity | hm. |
| 23:14.01 | enouf | that's BIOS drive mapping |
| 23:14.06 | enouf | not partitions |
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| 23:14.20 | Obligatory | no3sc, text mode graphics or X graphics? |
| 23:14.25 | Perplexed_Entity | alright, so if i'm not mistaken that should be in proper place |
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| 23:14.54 | enouf | well, i'm at a loss, not following exactly what you changed/altered, sorry |
| 23:15.02 | StucKman_ | is there a repo of old releases? I think I need woody |
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| 23:15.11 | no3sc | Obligatory: console-grafics. Not inside X |
| 23:15.14 | chris_hat_irc | can i show the name of alle packages on my system, which differ from the stable versions? |
| 23:15.16 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, so the first point of failure is the boot sector... |
| 23:15.33 | enouf | StucKman_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 23:15.41 | Obligatory | no3sc, well for me just running 'm-a' as root pops up the text mode graphics. |
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| 23:15.58 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: what do you suggest? i'm currently looking at the grub shell, where you set the root drive etcetera |
| 23:16.10 | Tramp | Obligatory: ?? but his grub is fine, the kernel boots. It just doesn't find its way out of the initrd, if I get it right. |
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| 23:16.31 | no3sc | Obligatory: hmmm.. I'll try again, I restarted the computer before. Maby it works now :P The old windowstrick |
| 23:16.32 | enouf | hrm .. you have a point there Tramp |
| 23:16.36 | enouf | indeed |
| 23:16.40 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, Tramp, so the error message is definitely 'grub'? (Not a grub user) |
| 23:16.43 | enouf | an initrd or kernel issue |
| 23:16.43 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, basically it's like that |
| 23:16.49 | Tramp | so I'd guess the problem is exclusively with the initrd, not the grub. I don't use initrd, so I will not be of much help in this case |
| 23:17.08 | Perplexed_Entity | the error message comes from the actual kernel, i think |
| 23:17.25 | no3sc | Obligatory: I only get a bunch of text that gives me alot of options I could use. |
| 23:17.38 | Tramp | Obligatory: the error comes from the kernel, which booted fine, but does not find the "real" root which migrated from hd to sd |
| 23:17.44 | Obligatory | no3sc, let me look a few things up. |
| 23:17.50 | Perplexed_Entity | no, scratch that. if i wait enough time it boots into the initramfs |
| 23:18.05 | Perplexed_Entity | so Tramp is right, can't get out of initrd |
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| 23:18.20 | Obligatory | no3sc, as root do: apt-get install whiptail |
| 23:18.26 | no3sc | ok |
| 23:18.44 | no3sc | what is whiptail? |
| 23:18.51 | no3sc | done |
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| 23:19.15 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: try update-initramfs -u from a chrrot .. maybe |
| 23:19.17 | Obligatory | no3sc, it draws console graphics. Try 'm-a' now. |
| 23:19.35 | Perplexed_Entity | enouf: what does the -u switch do? |
| 23:19.41 | enouf | update |
| 23:19.50 | enouf | man update-initramfs |
| 23:20.00 | no3sc | hmm still the same. |
| 23:20.30 | no3sc | I probably should say that I got a error on the "grapical environment" part of the installed |
| 23:20.32 | enouf | though that mAY be the wrong switch .. depending upon booted kernel .. hrm |
| 23:20.47 | Perplexed_Entity | sorry, can't even see the manpages from that terminal |
| 23:20.52 | no3sc | so I unchecked it and only installed base+laptop. And installed xorg and gnome after that |
| 23:20.53 | Obligatory | no3sc, you're running 'm-a' as root, correct? |
| 23:21.02 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: well, online i guess, sorry |
| 23:21.03 | no3sc | well- As sudo |
| 23:21.07 | no3sc | of that does anything |
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| 23:21.20 | reh | Help a noob, anyone, I'm stuck. I'm trying to follow instructions that I don't understand. Can anyone help me understand the following instructions? |
| 23:21.22 | reh | sudo cp Makefile.6 ./Makefile for kernels 2.6.* |
| 23:21.25 | Perplexed_Entity | still frozen stiff |
| 23:21.32 | reh | I guess I'm supposed to run a terminal command, 'cp Makefile.6 Makefile' but I don't know how to do it "For kernels 2.6.* |
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| 23:22.04 | Obligatory | no3sc, what version 'm-a'? |
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| 23:22.20 | bush | reh: just sudo cp makefile.6 ./makefile |
| 23:22.28 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: http://pastebin.ca/raw/901823 |
| 23:22.29 | Obligatory | (Mine's v0.10.11.0) |
| 23:22.32 | no3sc | hmm. How do I check. I downloaded it a couple of hours ago with apt-get |
| 23:22.33 | assasukasse | hi where can i find the debian channel log? |
| 23:22.33 | bush | "for kernels 2.6.*" isn't part of the command |
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| 23:22.51 | Obligatory | no3sc, check out /var/log/dpkg* |
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| 23:22.54 | Perplexed_Entity | thanks enouf, appreciate that |
| 23:22.54 | dkr | reh: they just mean to only do that cp command if your kernel is version 2.6.something |
| 23:23.11 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 23:23.38 | Perplexed_Entity | but i'm starting to think i should change something from the manual grub configuration shell |
| 23:23.46 | reh | dkr: How do I find out what kernel version I have? |
| 23:23.48 | Obligatory | no3sc, I misunderstood the question: dlocate -s module-assistant |
| 23:23.51 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: how did you make your initrd? did you use make-kpkg? |
| 23:23.55 | no3sc | =) |
| 23:24.02 | no3sc | I thought something wasn't right there =) |
| 23:24.04 | bush | reh: man uname |
| 23:24.07 | dkr | reh: uname -r |
| 23:24.23 | Perplexed_Entity | enouf: i used mkinitramrd-kpkg, yeah |
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| 23:24.30 | no3sc | bash: dlocate: command not found |
| 23:24.39 | Obligatory | no3sc, apt-get install dlocate |
| 23:24.48 | Perplexed_Entity | or rather, i reinstalled the kernel package which called that one to rebuild it |
| 23:25.02 | Obligatory | (dlocate finds package info n' stuff. Useful) |
| 23:25.05 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: er, that's not the same as "make-kpkg ... --initrd" .. then dpkg -i for installation |
| 23:25.25 | Perplexed_Entity | oh, that. yeah, i built my kernel with that |
| 23:25.30 | enouf | !kp mantra |
| 23:25.30 | dpkg | kp mantra is, like, make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 23:25.30 | Perplexed_Entity | had a slipup there, sorry |
| 23:25.33 | reh | dkr: thx ... I have kernel 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 23:25.35 | TrueDD[miam] | Good night all |
| 23:25.39 | no3sc | Obligatory: 0,10,11,0 is my version |
| 23:26.03 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: ok, i'm guessing and not following anymore, sorry .. distracted a bit here |
| 23:26.24 | Perplexed_Entity | my fault, i'm running in circles at this point |
| 23:26.29 | Obligatory | no3sc, insteresting, same version here. So I get the console graphics and you don't... why should that be... |
| 23:26.35 | enouf | TrueDD[miam]: are you in miami? |
| 23:26.40 | enouf | you bastage |
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| 23:27.06 | reh | bush: when I run the command 'sudo cp Makefile.6 ./Makefile' I get cp cannot stat 'makefile.6': No such file or directory |
| 23:27.18 | no3sc | Obligatory: As I said before. I think I miss alot of "normal" stuff from the install. Because at install I couldn't install the "grapical environment" and had to do it manually |
| 23:27.18 | Perplexed_Entity | let me try something else... |
| 23:27.33 | TrueDD[miam] | enouf, lol |
| 23:27.39 | TrueDD[miam] | non, I'm in france |
| 23:27.41 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:27.44 | enouf | ahh |
| 23:28.02 | Obligatory | no3sc, manually as in 'dpkg' or as in 'apt-get'? (Which?) |
| 23:28.14 | no3sc | apt-get |
| 23:28.31 | Obligatory | no3sc, well unless you forced things, it should be OK. |
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| 23:29.00 | Obligatory | ...but it isn't. |
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| 23:29.18 | zomak | Is anyone aware of if Ati Radeon 3850 is yet supported by the offical ati proprietary drivers? |
| 23:29.25 | no3sc | Did not force :P I don't like to do things that the OS warns me about =) |
| 23:29.44 | chris_hat_irc | can i show the name of alle packages on my system, which differ from the stable versions? |
| 23:29.45 | Perplexed_Entity | enouf: more info. i tried with a grub-install /dev/sda1 |
| 23:29.54 | TrueDD[miam] | enouf, I don't know how to explain you what is miam, but it's a familiar expression to say that we eat with pleasure :) |
| 23:30.01 | Obligatory | no3sc, I'm thinking... |
| 23:30.01 | DawnLight | zomak: that woudn't be hard to find out in ati's website |
| 23:30.10 | no3sc | Obligatory: :P Do it! |
| 23:30.13 | Perplexed_Entity | and it said: /dev/hda1: not found or not a block device." |
| 23:30.16 | TrueDD[miam] | gn enouf |
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| 23:30.32 | no3sc | What's that "menu-system" called. That has a blue background and red "menuboxes" |
| 23:30.33 | zomak | DawnLight: according to release notes there arent any 3000 series supported, on the otherhand, they do not deny that it would work |
| 23:30.36 | TrueDD[miam] | see you tomorrow |
| 23:30.39 | TrueDD[miam] | ++ |
| 23:30.40 | enouf | TrueDD[miam]: ciao ;-0 |
| 23:31.16 | dokma | guys, what would be a good channel to talk about setting up two dns servers for webhosting on two debian dedicated servers? |
| 23:31.17 | Perplexed_Entity | i'm just guessing here: migrating from the PATA disk copied the boot sector as-is, and maybe grub is panicking because it expects to find a drive that's not there |
| 23:31.20 | enouf | and mangia ;-) |
| 23:31.23 | Perplexed_Entity | and currently set as root |
| 23:31.29 | DawnLight | zomak: they also do not deny that they eat their morning cereal with himalaian goat milk |
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| 23:32.08 | themill | no3sc: tasksel |
| 23:32.12 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: forget grub-install , use grub shell |
| 23:32.21 | zomak | DawnLight: ;-).. on the otherhand.. some more googling revealed that catalyst 7.12 and newer would support them.. ...unoffically |
| 23:32.31 | Obligatory | no3sc, looking at the source of '/usr/bin/module-assistant', I notice a '--text-mode Text mode, no dialog boxes' switch. That's like what you're seeing? That is does the switch make any difference. |
| 23:32.38 | DawnLight | dokma: the dns server software's channel |
| 23:32.49 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: just type 'grub' in a chroot env .. but grub wasn't your issue |
| 23:32.52 | Perplexed_Entity | alright. what should i do from there then? i'm guessing i should remove the entry that points to hda1 and set the root as sda1 |
| 23:32.55 | dokma | DawnLight: you know the name perhaps? |
| 23:33.02 | no3sc | how do I change that switch? |
| 23:33.08 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, it's the MBR itself i'm sure |
| 23:33.11 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: duh, you said you did that already |
| 23:33.11 | HYPOCRISY | good |
| 23:33.25 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, but it's still panicking over that |
| 23:33.32 | DawnLight | zomak: try it. but remember that drivers can sometimes break hardware |
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| 23:33.39 | Perplexed_Entity | so maybe i didn't touch the MBR, butonly the grub entries? |
| 23:33.40 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 23:33.56 | zomak | DawnLight: sure, thats when warranty comes in ;-) (ok ok, i know the thing :) |
| 23:34.07 | no3sc | I query you with the program output |
| 23:34.25 | Obligatory | no3sc, pastebin it... |
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| 23:34.47 | DawnLight | zomak: anyway, the future is bright with ati now that they've announced the intention to go open source |
| 23:34.52 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: use a friggin UUID or LABEL if necessary for root=UUID=long-number |
| 23:34.56 | zomak | DawnLight: indeed |
| 23:35.02 | Perplexed_Entity | thanks enouf, gonna try that info |
| 23:35.11 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: etc/fstab will need to reflect that |
| 23:35.19 | puetzk | zomak: I think the only driver that supports that is those new cards is the in-development opensource one |
| 23:35.24 | Perplexed_Entity | nah, i want it to work like it did before, with device names |
| 23:35.26 | DawnLight | zomak: nexuiz? :) |
| 23:35.29 | puetzk | IIRC it has modesetting and unaccelerated video thus far |
| 23:35.37 | Perplexed_Entity | i'll only try UUIDs if i'm completely stuck |
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| 23:35.40 | puetzk | unless it made another leap while I wasn't looking :-) |
| 23:35.53 | enouf | LABEL= isn't so bad |
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| 23:36.14 | zomak | puetzk: i read some review and it said that 7.11 and 8.xx catalyst would support but regocnize it only as rv670 |
| 23:36.15 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 23:36.23 | zomak | DawnLight: Mwah :) |
| 23:36.37 | Obligatory | no3sc, I wonder if there's a dependency bug in 'm-a' itself? May I have something installed that it needs, that you don't have. |
| 23:36.47 | Obligatory | s/May/Maybe/ |
| 23:36.48 | Perplexed_Entity | oh, great |
| 23:36.56 | DawnLight | zomak: what does Mwah mean? |
| 23:37.04 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: i |
| 23:37.13 | Perplexed_Entity | now typing "find /boot/grub/stage1" segfaults grub with a floating point exception XD |
| 23:37.15 | zomak | DawnLight: Hah, something with no meaning.. laughing, something like that :) |
| 23:37.20 | enouf | 'm tired .. and other people desire me ;-) |
| 23:37.30 | DawnLight | zomak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mwah |
| 23:37.30 | enouf | nice |
| 23:37.45 | Perplexed_Entity | alright, i'm sorry :D thanks for the valuable info, will see what i can cook up from here |
| 23:37.54 | enouf | a k6 PU? |
| 23:37.59 | enouf | a k6 CPU? |
| 23:38.07 | enouf | try a -486 kernel |
| 23:38.09 | zomak | DawnLight: okay, so it seems that it has some REAL meaning also :) |
| 23:38.20 | no3sc | Obligatory: Could be |
| 23:38.49 | no3sc | Obligatory: And for some reason when I go to pastebin, Iceweasle takes 87% of the cpu and won't move an inch :S |
| 23:38.53 | puetzk | zomak: could be. I still have a 9250, so I don't watch that closely |
| 23:38.59 | zomak | puetzk: :-) |
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| 23:39.18 | zomak | DawnLight: anyway, thanks for your help.. going to start ati festival tonight so.. see ya later |
| 23:39.33 | DawnLight | zomak: tell me how't goes |
| 23:39.33 | no3sc | bah screw this. I make a new install, and see to it that all stuffs that I want get installed from start. |
| 23:39.48 | no3sc | Thank you anyway. =) |
| 23:39.49 | zomak | sure do, just have to compile xorg first |
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| 23:40.03 | no3sc | I guess I'll see you in 30min-1hour |
| 23:40.10 | DawnLight | zomak: you sure about that? |
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| 23:40.19 | Obligatory | no3sc, cya, (iceweasel works OK for me, but I use 'privoxy' and 'wwwffle' which may do funny things to the page data.) |
| 23:40.28 | zomak | DawnLight: yep, dont have X yet |
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| 23:40.38 | DawnLight | zomak: why compile? |
| 23:40.50 | DawnLight | is this gentoo? |
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| 23:41.26 | zomak | DawnLight: im sorry, yes it is.. am i a bad guy now ? |
| 23:41.45 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, so how far'd ya get? |
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| 23:42.01 | zomak | DawnLight: using debian only in my server |
| 23:42.06 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: i think i'll just try nuking the MBR |
| 23:42.15 | DawnLight | zomak: oh you're really using gentoo? heh. i was making a joke |
| 23:42.21 | Perplexed_Entity | and reinstall grub from scratch |
| 23:42.30 | zomak | DawnLight: theres no shame using gentoo ;) |
| 23:42.35 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, aha, so the MBR is suspect! |
| 23:42.39 | DawnLight | zomak: only a little. hehe |
| 23:42.55 | DawnLight | zomak: good luck |
| 23:43.03 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: i'm prone to think so. actually, i did something rather rough here |
| 23:43.15 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, question, do you have any other OS on this box? |
| 23:43.18 | zomak | DawnLight: have fun, will be back when i get ppp compiled so i can come to tell some experiences :) |
| 23:43.26 | Perplexed_Entity | i did the PATA->SATA migration by simply cloning over the old drive to the new one, MBR and all |
| 23:43.34 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: nope, only debian |
| 23:43.57 | Perplexed_Entity | but i'm planning to install windows too, which is gonna make me do this all from scratch. again. |
| 23:43.57 | zomak | DawnLight: though compiling with 3ghz a64 x2 wouldnt be too slow |
| 23:44.23 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, this may seem lame, but I'd resize make a little room, throw on some litte OS from a LiveCD that does grub, and see if that boots. IF it does, then you know that the boot sector is good. |
| 23:44.36 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: what's the problem? no grub? |
| 23:44.44 | Obligatory | Rather brute force I know! |
| 23:45.05 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: i'm certain that's the problem. it copied the boot sector bit by bit from a drive with different naming scheme |
| 23:45.22 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: actually, it's there but in bad shape. |
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| 23:45.28 | Obligatory | I think 'mepis' does 'grub', maybe others. |
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| 23:45.43 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: tried to reinstall grub? |
| 23:45.59 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: grub-install |
| 23:46.12 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: that always panicks and refuses to work |
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| 23:46.42 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: try to do it from debian after you've booted debian using a grub floppy or cd |
| 23:46.52 | Perplexed_Entity | right now i'm tracking down info on how to nuke the MBR and rebuild it from ground up |
| 23:47.05 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: did that, from debian CD rescue mode |
| 23:47.26 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: you did it from the debian installation? |
| 23:47.42 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, that's why the brute force might be worth a shot. Mepis LiveCD... acknowleding that it's stupid on a basic level, but I know too little about grub. |
| 23:47.42 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: yeah, that's currently my emergency shell |
| 23:48.26 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: not chrooting, not a live cd |
| 23:48.35 | Perplexed_Entity | Obligatory: so you suggest force-kludging the proper bootloader? |
| 23:48.55 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: i want to make sure we're understanding each other |
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| 23:49.00 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: Your MBR is fine. It loads stage1, it even finds stage 1.5 (suprisingly) and loads the kernel and its initrd. Unless I'm missing something, you're trying to fix the wrong problem. |
| 23:49.17 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: you booted your installed debian? |
| 23:49.26 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, well unless you think there's an underlying bug, and you want to kill the bug out of revenge/justice/protecting the public, yeah, a kludge can be expedient. |
| 23:49.42 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: but then why does it panic over not finding /dev/hda1, which was what the root drive was called with the old drive? |
| 23:49.44 | Obligatory | ahem, kill and report the bug. |
| 23:50.18 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, 'hda'? Is SATA 'hda'? Does grub use 'hda'? |
| 23:50.22 | Perplexed_Entity | heh. nah, the only bug here was a tragic PEBKAC |
| 23:50.22 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: No idea. But it's the kernel (which was loaded by grub) that has the problem. Which root=... parameter is given to the kernel? |
| 23:50.29 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: your sata hard disk drive should be sda |
| 23:50.32 | Perplexed_Entity | and nope, sata uses SDA |
| 23:50.52 | Perplexed_Entity | infact i cloned over the whole drive from PATA, including the MBR |
| 23:51.02 | Perplexed_Entity | that's why i need to nuke the borked entry, but seemingly can't |
| 23:51.43 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, ah, that cloning explains it. Hardware names changed, disk names didn't.. |
| 23:51.57 | Supaplex | with reprepro is there any reason I should not attempt to use my own 'component'? Could not find 'gnash-backport' in components of 'etch': main non-free contrib' |
| 23:52.03 | Perplexed_Entity | although... hmm, since i have the drive image intact, i could try Obligatory's method and restore only the data areas. |
| 23:52.11 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: nothing in the MBR has "hda" written in it. It contains the stage1 loader (with a block-reference to the stage2 loader) and the partition table. No black magic in your MBR |
| 23:52.37 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: then what is still referencing it? let's go by exclusion |
| 23:52.53 | Perplexed_Entity | fstab: that got borked, had to manually rewrite it |
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| 23:53.23 | Obligatory | Perplexed_Entity, nah my method is resize, install a Mepis, (or somethign like it), set up grub with Mepis bootcd, see if you can boot to Mepis with no Cd, and that eliminates the first boot sector problem. Kludgey. |
| 23:53.25 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: Which root=... parameter is given to the kernel? You may check in the grub-menu with "e" for edit |
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| 23:53.47 | Obligatory | Anyhow, dinnertime! Bye. |
| 23:53.52 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: thanks for the lynchpin, trying that now |
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| 23:53.59 | Perplexed_Entity | have a nice meal Obligatory :) |
| 23:54.08 | Perplexed_Entity | and thanks |
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| 23:55.16 | Perplexed_Entity | root says (hd0,0) |
| 23:55.22 | Perplexed_Entity | normal, right? |
| 23:55.24 | up_the_irons | i'm kinda new to building packages, and I put this in the debian/rules skeleton: http://p.caboo.se/151263 |
| 23:55.39 | up_the_irons | but i get this error |
| 23:55.48 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: not this enty. I mean In the line that denotes the kernel to be booted |
| 23:55.55 | up_the_irons | http://p.caboo.se/151269 |
| 23:56.23 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: all hd0,0 means is 1st bios drive, 1st partition |
| 23:56.41 | Perplexed_Entity | oh, that. it says /dev/sda1 |
| 23:56.48 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: cdrom and dvd drives do not count |
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| 23:57.01 | Perplexed_Entity | hmm, looks right here. |
| 23:57.08 | chris_hat_irc | i have downgraded from makedev 3.3.8.2-0 to 2.3.1-83 and got some warnings: /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices |
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| 23:57.25 | chris_hat_irc | does that mean the downgrad is broken? |
| 23:57.26 | enouf | check your bios - but as Tramp says, that wasn't your issue |
| 23:57.30 | Perplexed_Entity | alright, gonna get drastic. |
| 23:57.54 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: well, that looks good then. Then I suppose there is some initrd magic, that I don't understand, that tells the kernel to use hda1 instead |
| 23:58.39 | up_the_irons | mm.. no package builders in here |
| 23:58.47 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: is your sata controller and FS modules in your initrd? |
| 23:59.12 | Perplexed_Entity | oh for chrissakes |
| 23:59.19 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 23:59.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 23:59.20 | Perplexed_Entity | i genuinely didn't think of that |
| 23:59.32 | enouf | that would be the only thing stopping the old style pivot_root from working, negating any RAID or LVM or rypto |
