| 00:00.08 | Perplexed_Entity | thanks, i'm gonna try that immediately |
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| 00:00.27 | enouf | hence, update-initramfs, but once the correct modules are added to /etc/initramfs-tool/modules ..etc |
| 00:00.27 | Perplexed_Entity | too bad i have to recompile the kernel from scratch... blag |
| 00:00.27 | abrotman | up_the_irons: see above |
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| 00:01.21 | up_the_irons | abrotman: ok, so #debian-mentors is a better channel to ask that sort of question |
| 00:01.26 | up_the_irons | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:01.30 | Perplexed_Entity | enouf: know of a faster method to get it in there without recompiling? |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | up_the_irons: on OFTC |
| 00:01.37 | abrotman | oh .. it says that |
| 00:01.46 | up_the_irons | abrotman: got it, thanks |
| 00:01.50 | themill | up_the_irons: that's an error in your makefile; no packaging magic required. |
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| 00:02.13 | up_the_irons | themill: i figured, but i still don't know how to get past it... |
| 00:02.16 | themill | up_the_irons: also, all targets in debian/rules should be non-interactive. |
| 00:02.38 | up_the_irons | themill: even if i do that, it complains at my very first line |
| 00:03.01 | themill | up_the_irons: you need a ; at the end of each line |
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| 00:03.26 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: if the kernel is fine, then only the initrd needs to be done, if the initrd is fine and the kernel isn't then adding the modules to /etc/modules should suffice - otherwise, no |
| 00:03.28 | themill | up_the_irons: i.e. before the \ (not every line, but most of them) |
| 00:03.29 | up_the_irons | themill: oh ok, let me try |
| 00:03.43 | Perplexed_Entity | that's insmod, right? |
| 00:03.56 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: i gotta go .. modprobe |
| 00:04.11 | Perplexed_Entity | alright, thanks enouf, you were a great help :) |
| 00:04.17 | enouf | echo <modulename> >> /etc/modules |
| 00:04.49 | chris_hat_irc | if i want only one package out of the experimental, what do i have to mention in the pinning first. the package i want, or the * with -1 ? |
| 00:05.01 | chris_hat_irc | ist the package overwritten by the * afterwards? |
| 00:05.13 | abrotman | don't do it |
| 00:05.34 | themill | chris_hat_irc: if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't do it. |
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| 00:06.13 | chris_hat_irc | themill: y? |
| 00:06.28 | chris_hat_irc | themill: I am just not sure about it |
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| 00:08.03 | trentster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.54 | themill | chris_hat_irc: packages are in experimental and not in the main debian repositories for a reason. They are buggy. They don't work. If you can't work out how to use apt to do this yourself, then you're not going to be able to fix the bits when it breaks. |
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| 00:09.07 | ross` | is there a way to limit bandwidth at the user level so users can only use a certain amount per month |
| 00:09.13 | azeem | trentster: to make n-m manage an interface, remove it from /e/n/i |
| 00:09.26 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.31 | themill | !tell chris_hat_irc -about experimental |
| 00:11.01 | chris_hat_irc | themill: I only want to install egroupware, which has the same version how the version on the developer site. |
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| 00:11.38 | chuck | does anyone know which package i should install to get git-config |
| 00:11.45 | chris_hat_irc | themill: i also can download the package from the site, but i think there is no difference |
| 00:11.59 | ross` | chuck: apt-cache search git-config |
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| 00:12.11 | ross` | may help |
| 00:12.15 | DawnLight | chuck: apt-cache search git-config |
| 00:12.18 | chuck | ross`: yeah, i tried that, nothing |
| 00:12.20 | chuck | oh |
| 00:12.23 | chuck | i was using cache |
| 00:12.23 | DawnLight | ross`: :P |
| 00:12.31 | chuck | wait wtf |
| 00:12.35 | DawnLight | chuck: apt-cache search git |
| 00:12.35 | chuck | augh i'm confused |
| 00:12.41 | chuck | okay yeah, i did apt-cache search git-config |
| 00:12.49 | ross` | yea i got nthing as well |
| 00:12.51 | chuck | and searching for git gives a big long list of irrelavent packages |
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| 00:13.17 | ross` | is there a way to grep the packages for packages inside them |
| 00:13.21 | DawnLight | chuck: that's life. a big long list of irrelevant packages |
| 00:13.38 | ross` | is there a way to limit bandwidth at the user level so users can only use a certain amount per month |
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| 00:13.54 | chuck | is there a way to see which package installs a file? |
| 00:14.41 | ross` | chuck: with grep yes i belive so, but idk how exactly |
| 00:14.49 | Perplexed_Entity | great, recompiling the kernel under an emergency shell. truly quack-tastic. |
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| 00:15.21 | DawnLight | chuck: /msg dpkg find <something> |
| 00:15.26 | Perplexed_Entity | +me pours a splash of coke in it and drinks |
| 00:15.32 | ross` | :p |
| 00:15.38 | Perplexed_Entity | thanks for the drink :D |
| 00:15.42 | DawnLight | yuck coke |
| 00:16.05 | chuck | hrm, git-core should have installed it |
| 00:16.07 | chuck | but it didn't |
| 00:16.11 | Perplexed_Entity | you serious? cuba libre is one of the best drinks to exist |
| 00:16.17 | simonrvn | Perplexed_Entity: i've done that |
| 00:16.40 | Perplexed_Entity | it's especially good with lots of ice and lemon :) |
| 00:16.47 | simonrvn | sometimes you just gotta get a new kernel ;) |
| 00:16.57 | DawnLight | i can't drink soft drinks. it doesn't go down easy and makes me feel stupid and my stomache hurts |
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| 00:17.10 | Perplexed_Entity | well, i'm recompiling the current one with added drivers |
| 00:17.30 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: really? issues with gas maybe? |
| 00:17.49 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: issues with toxins |
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| 00:18.05 | ross` | ill look into bandwidth limitation at the user level |
| 00:18.08 | Perplexed_Entity | ouch, too bad |
| 00:18.17 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: RTFL |
| 00:18.19 | Perplexed_Entity | where do you get your caffeine then? :) |
| 00:18.59 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, the fine logs |
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| 00:19.10 | DawnLight | no, the label. on the coke |
| 00:19.29 | DawnLight | can't put those things in me |
| 00:19.30 | Perplexed_Entity | oh, right. yeah, it's all chemical stuff |
| 00:19.41 | simonrvn | indeed... phosphoric acid?! |
| 00:19.56 | DawnLight | can't imagine. just can't imagine |
| 00:20.01 | Perplexed_Entity | guess that's what they use to keep the taste frisky. |
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| 00:20.22 | simonrvn | plus you you drink "diet" the aspertame metabolises into formaldehyde |
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| 00:20.28 | simonrvn | if you* |
| 00:20.40 | simonrvn | fun fun... |
| 00:20.44 | themill | hmmmm formaldehyde.... |
| 00:20.46 | DawnLight | aspertame... i have a very bad feeling about that |
| 00:21.09 | ftp3 | hey, does anyone know of a livecd with networking that I could use to boot my machine, then remotely log in and mount a messed up hd and copy files? |
| 00:21.12 | DawnLight | debian is 100% organic |
| 00:21.27 | abrotman | ftp3: that's the point of a liveCD |
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| 00:21.29 | Perplexed_Entity | true, all natural code :) |
| 00:21.31 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 00:21.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:22.00 | DawnLight | ftp3: knoppix proves itself |
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| 00:22.34 | Perplexed_Entity | i really hope they do come through with a live debian |
| 00:22.35 | ftp3 | lol, thanks |
| 00:22.44 | I440r | erm.... so... the debian installer on the debian install cd... thats just a linux application right? |
| 00:22.51 | DawnLight | they will. debian works slowly |
| 00:23.01 | I440r | cant i run that application inside gentoo and install to an external drive from wtihin gentoo? |
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| 00:23.13 | simonrvn | DawnLight: aspertame AKA "nutrasweet" |
| 00:23.15 | Perplexed_Entity | tell me about it. i often use external repos for some of the officially listed apps |
| 00:23.20 | Perplexed_Entity | like wine |
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| 00:23.24 | I440r | if i can do that i can do a network install! |
| 00:23.26 | leOn | hello |
| 00:23.32 | simonrvn | nothing nutritional about nutrasweet ;) |
| 00:23.43 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 00:23.43 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 00:23.59 | ftp3 | so, this would do what i asked? http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-standard-CD.iso |
| 00:24.15 | leOn | i'm having a _VERY_ stupid doubt ... i'm even ashamed of asking |
| 00:24.26 | DawnLight | ftp3: you'd rather use knoppix |
| 00:24.43 | DawnLight | leOn: we promise to laugh |
| 00:24.51 | I440r | yea that "get the bootstrap from here" page "does not exist yet" |
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| 00:25.19 | ross` | can someone tell me how to limit bandwidth per user |
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| 00:25.35 | Perplexed_Entity | ross`: i normally use trickle to limit single apps... |
| 00:25.49 | I440r | abortman all of the links in that tell me about bootstrap are broken |
| 00:25.57 | chandor | ross`, SQUID |
| 00:26.03 | leOn | wasn't it suposed for a regular user to be able to either give ownership to another user on a file, or to be able to take ownership of a file if the file it had write permissions on that same file ... this using ext3 |
| 00:26.07 | I440r | i dont want a LIVE cd. the live cd does NOT have the installer on it. i hHAVE the live cd |
| 00:26.15 | I440r | the "install" boot does not exist on taht |
| 00:26.31 | ross` | what's squid |
| 00:26.36 | ross` | !squid |
| 00:26.36 | dpkg | well, squid is the Squid Internet object Cache a fast web proxy server. Its home page is at http://squid.nlanr.net/, or easy to do transproxy with, see http://www.unxsoft.com/transproxy.html, or faster than netscape's own cache, use it!, but uses much more memory, or http://thor.prohosting.com/~nchansy/meal/squid.jpg, or tasty in battered ring form, or <squid deb caching>, or <transparent proxy>, or #squid @ irc.freenode.net |
| 00:26.36 | leOn | DawnLight: you can start rolling on the floor ... ;) |
| 00:26.59 | DawnLight | i'm too tired for that |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | I440r: not they aren't |
| 00:27.15 | Perplexed_Entity | leOn: you can grant ownership to others, but others can't take it from you; owners and users are two different things |
| 00:27.31 | themill | I440r: no, that's not allowed. Think of the case where you have disk usage quotas. |
| 00:27.32 | I440r | abortman. i have the live cd. i can boot "live" i cannot boot "install" or "installgui" or expertgui or any of those |
| 00:27.42 | DawnLight | leOn: just read some unix newbie howto in tldp.org and be done with embarrassment |
| 00:27.42 | I440r | themill? |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | I440r: the liveCD wasn't for you .. the debootstrap was |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | way to read ... |
| 00:27.59 | themill | erm.... leOn ^^ (not I440r) |
| 00:28.03 | themill | ffs |
| 00:28.05 | I440r | abortman yes. i looked at the links and the first page says "were getting to this eventually" |
| 00:28.10 | themill | !nickometer leOn |
| 00:28.11 | leOn | Perplexed_Entity: that's exactly what i thought .. happens that i tried giving ownership to another user and it's just spitting out that the operation is not permitted ... |
| 00:28.12 | I440r | themill lol ok |
| 00:28.12 | dpkg | 'leOn' is 8.000% lame, themill |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | I440r: so that's broken ? |
| 00:28.18 | themill | !nickometer I440r |
| 00:28.19 | dpkg | 'I440r' is 98.400% lame, themill |
| 00:28.26 | Perplexed_Entity | zeah |
| 00:29.12 | Perplexed_Entity | it's a bit like lending a car to someone: they can't quite take your ownership of the vehicle, even if they can crash it. |
| 00:29.25 | I440r | themill thats because your stupid bot doesnt know wtf "I440r" is. if you read it like LEET speak then yes it looks lame but when you realise its the same fucking guitar that joe satriani uses then YOUR the one thats fucking lame |
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| 00:29.39 | abrotman | that's even worse |
| 00:29.44 | simonrvn | dude... |
| 00:29.45 | leOn | -rw-rw-r-- 1 hm users 0 2008-02-13 00:02 teste.txt |
| 00:29.45 | leOn | hm@mediacenter:/home/teste$ chown freevo:users teste.txt |
| 00:29.45 | leOn | chown: changing ownership of `teste.txt': Operation not permitted |
| 00:29.46 | themill | I440r: it's also a pain in the arse to type. |
| 00:29.56 | Tapout | when creating a swap parition, is it recommended to be 1:1 with current ram available? I thought i read somewhere that if you got 4GB.. you should have 4GB swap.. |
| 00:29.58 | leOn | how about that .. ? |
| 00:30.00 | simonrvn | and at least shout properly... sheesh |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | "i worship the only guy with an ego so big, and a penis so small, that he must use a 7str every time he can" |
| 00:30.07 | azeem | themill: get a client with decent tab-completion |
| 00:30.11 | simonrvn | "YOU'RE" |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | oh he left! |
| 00:30.22 | sier | Help please.. trying to run MetaTrader 4 on Wine.. http://pastebin.com/m2a50c6dd |
| 00:30.25 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 00:30.29 | abrotman | he needs to get a wired connection |
| 00:30.31 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | the iwlwifi he needs isn't even in etch |
| 00:30.42 | streuner | hm |
| 00:30.45 | themill | azeem: yeah... but is it an i or and L as the first character (I probably should use a different font) |
| 00:30.51 | streuner | much fun here on #debian atm :-) |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | sier: #winehq |
| 00:30.52 | azeem | that too |
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| 00:31.07 | Supaplex | if something Replaces: should it also Provides:, or should the other packge Depends: old | new ? |
| 00:31.11 | leOn | DawnLight: i would consider that error correct if i had enabled quotas on that filesystem .. but that's not the case |
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| 00:31.36 | sier | thanks abrotman .. are you a deve.. ? |
| 00:31.39 | DawnLight | me? |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | sier: a who? |
| 00:31.50 | abrotman | sier: no |
| 00:31.51 | Perplexed_Entity | developer |
| 00:31.56 | DawnLight | he develops headaches |
| 00:31.59 | azeem | themill: really, you shouldn't insult users about their nick because your font is inadequate |
| 00:32.04 | Perplexed_Entity | that's a skill. |
| 00:32.19 | zomak | DawnLight: what is the status of headaches now? :) |
| 00:32.23 | sier | hes a good guy.. always helping ppl out |
| 00:32.34 | simonrvn | zomak: always in development |
| 00:32.35 | sier | I wish when you need us, for something not related to debian.. we'll be able to help you out |
| 00:32.47 | zomak | simonrvn: getting to more stable or still very unstable? |
| 00:33.07 | simonrvn | zomak: headaches are *never* stable =;) |
| 00:33.35 | zomak | simonrvn: always at early dev state? :) sometimes worse than othertimes |
| 00:33.41 | streuner | headaches comes frome bloodpressure, my raises till top if i read that stuff |
| 00:33.55 | streuner | :-) |
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| 00:34.07 | simonrvn | streuner: wut |
| 00:34.19 | streuner | simonrvn: yeah :-) |
| 00:34.28 | Perplexed_Entity | nah, there are more reasons for headache than that |
| 00:34.45 | DawnLight | no headaches detected. experiencing reduced heartrate due to reading postfix documentation at 0234 am |
| 00:35.10 | zomak | DawnLight: so the headache isnt working now.. dmn those deves :) |
| 00:35.26 | Perplexed_Entity | try a dmesg | head |
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| 00:35.45 | sier | I want to learn more about Linux |
| 00:35.48 | sier | and become a guru :) |
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| 00:36.14 | streuner | read all of www.debian.org/doc/ and you will become one :-) |
| 00:36.21 | leOn | Tapout: in the old days there was a thumb rule that said you should reserve twice as much space for swap as you had in ram ... nowadays and since most machines come packed up with ram you don't do that anymore ... but usually if you need to do stuff like suspend to disk and such, it's advisable to use at least as much in swap as the ram size since usually it's the swap space that's used to store the machine memory status when you do the suspend |
| 00:36.33 | sier | no streuner .. I want to be able to understand each code here.. |
| 00:36.36 | abrotman | streuner: that's all i have to do?! |
| 00:36.37 | sier | everything |
| 00:36.41 | DawnLight | head driver v3.4: right hemisphere hibernating |
| 00:37.04 | streuner | abrotman: it wouldnt hurd in order to make the first step ™ |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:37.18 | leOn | Tapout: usually i double the ram in swap space up to 4GB, if it's not a laptop |
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| 00:38.12 | leOn | i.e. ... if the machine has 1GB i use 2GB of swap .. if it has 3GB of ram i use 4GB of swap, |
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| 00:38.49 | wng- | My speaker/headphone output is not being detected, how do i fix this? |
| 00:38.56 | leOn | Tapout: but i'm sure you'll find other opinions on that matter |
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| 00:39.11 | streuner | abrotman: reading? |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | streuner: i got bored :) |
| 00:39.21 | Supaplex | my oops, nm wrt: if something Replaces: should it also Provides:, or should the other packge Depends: old | new ? |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | streuner: this "How do I install from a CD?" .. i got that :) |
| 00:40.18 | leOn | sooo ... appart from sending me to read stuff that says that the owner of a file can grant ownership of a file to another user with a simple chown ... could someone else point me out a possible solution ? |
| 00:40.31 | Perplexed_Entity | oh, chrissakes |
| 00:40.44 | leOn | it's just because it's not working here ... maybe it's just me |
| 00:40.53 | Perplexed_Entity | i'm STILL not booting that drive. |
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| 00:41.19 | sier | abrotman, that channel is awful |
| 00:41.22 | sier | nobody is alive :( |
| 00:41.53 | streuner | prolly no americans there then |
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| 00:42.37 | bttb | hi all |
| 00:43.36 | streuner | bttb: do you have a debian question? |
| 00:43.47 | bttb | Actually I do :) |
| 00:44.06 | sier | is XMMs a winamp copy? |
| 00:44.17 | streuner | hell, no |
| 00:44.26 | sier | if you press J, same shortcuts etc. |
| 00:44.27 | sier | lol |
| 00:45.38 | bttb | I'm wondering if Debian has a file where it records installed deb packages _without_ their dependancies. |
| 00:46.13 | streuner | what for? |
| 00:46.17 | bttb | I'm looking for an easy way to slim down Debian. |
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| 00:46.24 | streuner | there is dpkg.log |
| 00:46.36 | bttb | But that records everything, doesn't it? |
| 00:47.09 | streuner | just take a look at it |
| 00:47.31 | streuner | !+tell bttb -about deborphan |
| 00:47.32 | dpkg | told bttb about deborphan. |
| 00:47.47 | bttb | How does Debian know something is just a dependancie rather than a primary package? |
| 00:47.58 | azeem | bttb: what is a primary package? |
| 00:48.37 | dkr | bttb: you mean automatically installed packages versus packages your expressly installed? |
| 00:48.44 | dkr | you |
| 00:49.07 | bttb | For instance say I want to install klibido which has a dep on uuclib. Then klibido is a primary package. |
| 00:49.26 | dkr | there is a database recording that info somewhere./var/apt I Think that the packaging tools use |
| 00:49.32 | wng- | My speaker/headphone output is not being detected, how do i fix this? |
| 00:49.37 | bttb | dkr: no. I wan't to get rid of some of the stuff debian installed as well |
| 00:49.50 | leOn | bttb: they are both packages, one is the one you want to install, the other one is a dependency |
| 00:49.55 | bttb | streuner: thx for the deporphan info. I'll have a look. |
| 00:49.59 | streuner | bttb: these depends arent useful, right? |
| 00:50.12 | dkr | bttb: then just aptitude remove klibido. if no other packages require uuclib,uuclib will be removed as well |
| 00:50.22 | bttb | streuner: :) I just wanted to point out what a primary packa is to me |
| 00:50.48 | bttb | dkr: right, but how does apt know uuclib was just a dependancie |
| 00:50.49 | bttb | ? |
| 00:50.51 | chandor | bttb, like, apt-get autoremove ? |
| 00:50.57 | leOn | actually apt now makes sugestions about "automatically installed packages" that aren't needed anymore |
| 00:50.58 | bttb | yes |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | sier: that happens .. |
| 00:51.13 | streuner | bttb: thats not the question, "slim down Debian", Debian just take a 1-5 percent usually of the HD space |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | sier: you might have to wait |
| 00:51.19 | dkr | bttb: there is a db recording that info about which ones you installed manually |
| 00:51.26 | sier | I'm waiting.. |
| 00:51.29 | sier | won't leave the channel |
| 00:51.35 | dkr | and which ones automaticaly installed due to dependency |
| 00:51.48 | bttb | dkr: any idea where that db resides? |
| 00:51.54 | streuner | most of the stuff is usually pr0n ;-) |
| 00:52.05 | leOn | bttb: /var/cache/apt usually |
| 00:52.32 | bttb | leOn: thx, I'll have a look when i next boot debia |
| 00:52.33 | bttb | n |
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| 00:52.34 | chandor | bttb, /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 00:52.39 | bttb | thx |
| 00:53.04 | dkr | bttb: the exact locatn doesn't matter you can use tools like aptitude to show which are marked manuallyinstalled or use it to change that flag |
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| 00:53.16 | streuner | bttb: How big is your HD(s)? |
| 00:53.43 | leOn | bttb: sorry .. thought you mean where the packages where kept ... chandor gave you the right answer |
| 00:53.45 | bttb | dkr: sounds like a plan, thx |
| 00:55.21 | bttb | streuner: that's not the issue. I just like stuff as minimal as possible. Helps against menu clutter ;-) |
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| 00:55.43 | sier | pr0n.. I don't have much |
| 00:55.48 | streuner | you have too much time then |
| 00:55.56 | leOn | anyone knows how to take/grant file ownership between regular users without having to use sudo .. ? |
| 00:57.04 | bttb | streuner: I hope it doesn't take much time. In Gentoo it's a breeze to clean up. I was hoping to get that from debian as well plus quicker installs due to the nature of deb's |
| 00:57.11 | leOn | and without having to make temp copies of files either of course |
| 00:57.52 | iateadonut | the owner of a file can transfer ownershsip, can't he? |
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| 00:58.11 | streuner | bttb: as we told you before, Debian doesnt take much space in relation of HDs (size) nowadays |
| 00:58.12 | |_James_Bond_| | !pt |
| 00:58.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:58.37 | leOn | iateadonut: i thought so too |
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| 00:59.09 | leOn | but apparently it can't ... or maybe i'm just not seing the light |
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| 01:00.13 | DawnLight | god, i ate too much garlic |
| 01:00.34 | zomak | DawnLight: have a booze to compensate |
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| 01:01.05 | DawnLight | i ate a whole onion |
| 01:01.06 | Perplexed_Entity | garlic is healthy tho' |
| 01:01.09 | DawnLight | of garlic |
| 01:01.20 | zomak | oh man... crazy guy |
| 01:01.22 | Perplexed_Entity | O_o or maybe not. |
| 01:01.50 | leOn | iateadonut: although it doesn't make much sense if there are disk quotas involved ... but i see no problem why it shouldn't allow a use to give away ownership to another user if there aren't any quotas set |
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| 01:02.30 | Perplexed_Entity | alright, i challenge leOn's stupid question with mine. |
| 01:02.59 | iateadonut | leOn, so, right now you have a user who can't use chown? |
| 01:02.59 | leOn | Perplexed_Entity: might be a stupid question, but i'm guessing it's going to take a smart answer, if any |
| 01:03.13 | Perplexed_Entity | actually, yes |
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| 01:03.29 | Perplexed_Entity | but it's such a kludge that it's almost silly. anyway. |
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| 01:03.55 | leOn | i have user-a that owns a file ... so he does a chown user-b on that file ... and all it gets is a operattion not permitted |
| 01:04.01 | leOn | just test it yourself |
| 01:04.32 | sier | <madewokherd> it's part of wine, but probably debian has put it in some other package because they're idiots |
| 01:04.37 | Perplexed_Entity | and mine is just a stupid question to a dumb purpose, let's bet |
| 01:04.37 | sier | lol, ppl don't like debian, huh? |
| 01:05.12 | leOn | all this while using ext3 .. it might not work that way on other FS |
| 01:05.18 | iateadonut | yeah. i just tested it. |
| 01:05.22 | iateadonut | doesn't work for me, either. |
| 01:05.51 | Perplexed_Entity | anyway. i'm giving up and doing the following with my disk: i want to install debian from scratch, so i can nuke the MBR and install the proper SATA drivers from there |
| 01:06.23 | leOn | Perplexed_Entity: install sata drivers from the mbr ? |
| 01:06.31 | Perplexed_Entity | nope |
| 01:06.37 | leOn | that's what i read =) |
| 01:06.41 | Perplexed_Entity | from the freshly reinstalled distro. but anyway |
| 01:06.48 | iateadonut | that must be a security issue. |
| 01:07.07 | leOn | iateadonut: it's a misconcept issue to me |
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| 01:07.14 | Perplexed_Entity | my plan is to install a lightweight debian, and from there get it up and running with my SATA drive properly. |
| 01:07.33 | iateadonut | because if you can change the owner to something, then you can make a file executable and then change the owner, you could probably mess up another user that way. |
| 01:07.33 | Tramp | leOn: man 2 chown. It is a privileged operation, so the FS will not make a difference |
| 01:07.50 | Perplexed_Entity | and the basic idea was to copy over the programs and libs folders from a backup of the drive to the temporary install; will that work? |
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| 01:08.10 | Perplexed_Entity | as in, leave the folders with kernel and boot data intact and copy everything else over. dumb? |
| 01:08.43 | leOn | Tramp: i didn't say it had to be done with chown ... i've even been lookin into setfacl/setfattr stuff ... i just need a way to do it |
| 01:10.10 | simonrvn | maligor: oh you in here too? |
| 01:10.27 | abrotman | he's everywhere! |
| 01:10.41 | iateadonut | did you try putting your user into the root group? |
| 01:10.47 | leOn | Perplexed_Entity: so basically you want to do a temporary install on a drive, get all the hardware recognized and then transfer the system onto another drive |
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| 01:10.51 | leOn | is that it? |
| 01:10.55 | iateadonut | maybe. |
| 01:11.15 | iateadonut | if you ls -ln your chown file, it shows exectuable by everyone though. |
| 01:11.22 | iateadonut | but, the group and owner are root. |
| 01:11.34 | leOn | iateadonut: that's a very dangerous thing, if i did that they wouldn't be regular users anymore would they? ;) |
| 01:11.42 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:12.00 | iateadonut | right. |
| 01:12.07 | Perplexed_Entity | leOn: precisely |
| 01:12.17 | iateadonut | maybe you could make a new group and make that the chown one. |
| 01:12.39 | leOn | i'm trying to avoid having to give more access to those users than i should .. that's the point here |
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| 01:13.06 | leOn | doesn't work ... i've tried having both users on the same group |
| 01:13.14 | Tramp | leOn: (1) use sudo (2) make chown suid (not recommended) |
| 01:13.21 | leOn | Tramp: not an option |
| 01:13.28 | iateadonut | i mean, assign the file /bin/chown to that group also. |
| 01:14.15 | leOn | i'm really amazed that this doesn't have a solution ... might not work with regular chown, but with the acl stuff it should |
| 01:14.37 | leOn | you can specifically say that THAT extra user has rights over the file |
| 01:14.53 | leOn | so it shouldn't matter if that other user came along and took the file for himself |
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| 01:17.38 | wizard_ | re |
| 01:17.51 | wizard_ | anybody got any suggestions on this matter? |
| 01:17.52 | gonzaloaf | hello, how do I report a bug using the file provided by the bug reporting tool of gnome? |
| 01:17.57 | wizard_ | i've got a small problem, i installed tomcat on debian with java 1.5, and when i point my browser to the webapps/admin/admin.xml page i get a XML Parsing Error: no element found error |
| 01:17.57 | abrotman | this matter? |
| 01:18.08 | abrotman | wizard_: sounds like a tomcat problem |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: report the bug to debian or to gnome ? |
| 01:18.30 | wizard_ | abrotman: do you actually ever sleep? |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | wizard_: yes! .. usually .. a little .. |
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| 01:18.53 | wizard_ | what timezone you in? |
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| 01:19.10 | abrotman | EST/EDT .. whatever it is right now |
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| 01:19.22 | wizard_ | thats /us ? |
| 01:19.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:19.25 | wizard_ | .us |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | New York time |
| 01:19.52 | wizard_ | still decent hour there then :D .eu here, 2 am.. |
| 01:20.04 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I mean, is there a interface to put the file or something? |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: for bugbuddy? or what? |
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| 01:21.09 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, dont remember the app that generated the file, bug reporting tool or bugbuddy |
| 01:21.36 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: likely bugbuddy .. and i don't know much about it .. i don't file bugs with it, they go to gnome.. not debian |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: the reason i don't file bugs with it is that i'm usually a version behind what they've released, so they've likely fixed whatever bugs i chance upon |
| 01:22.57 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, do you use etch? |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | no |
| 01:23.09 | Perplexed_Entity | ...sarge? |
| 01:23.16 | iateadonut | leOn, when you figure it out, are you going to post your solution on linuxquestions.org? |
| 01:23.30 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, sarge? |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | no |
| 01:23.39 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, ? |
| 01:23.41 | Perplexed_Entity | ....woody? |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | read what i said |
| 01:23.49 | Malf | POTATO |
| 01:24.07 | Perplexed_Entity | O_o |
| 01:24.22 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, you didnt say your release |
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| 01:24.25 | mrgenixus|AFK | abrotman: uses sid, I think |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:24.36 | mrgenixus|AFK | current release is etch, yes? |
| 01:24.53 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I thought sid was up to date to the latest versions |
| 01:25.01 | Perplexed_Entity | well, i wouldn't call that a version behind |
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| 01:25.26 | Perplexed_Entity | etch is still current; the rest should be regarded as beta by me |
| 01:27.10 | leOn | iateadonut: problem isn't when ... is IF i'm going to figure it out =) |
| 01:27.27 | iateadonut | when there's a will, there's a way. |
| 01:27.37 | iateadonut | unless there's no way, of course. |
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| 01:27.57 | Perplexed_Entity | and when there's bad luck, the way is darn well hidden. |
| 01:28.27 | iateadonut | my mysql utf8 all of a sudden turned into gobble-dee-gook. |
| 01:28.40 | iateadonut | can anyone help me test importing a utf8 file in chinese? |
| 01:28.47 | iateadonut | i should ask in mysql |
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| 01:29.23 | k-man | do you have to enable cron jobs for each user who wants them? ( i seem to recall seeing that somewhere?) |
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| 01:31.01 | abrotman | k-man: i don't think so, but they do have to create their crontab |
| 01:31.10 | k-man | abrotman, ok, thanks |
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| 01:33.03 | Gun_Smoke | Where do I find the system log file? |
| 01:33.18 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
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| 01:34.27 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: Thanks.. Just as you answered I found this.....http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ch-rsi.en.html dam manuals :) |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | streuner: regarding your docs .. the FAQ doesn't recommend that anyone run testing :) |
| 01:35.45 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, sure is a lot of work sifting through pages upon pages of manuals tho' |
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| 01:35.59 | azeem | has the FAQ been updated since testing was woody? |
| 01:36.09 | Perplexed_Entity | really, i feel like linux users are the geek counterpart of bookworms sometimes |
| 01:36.22 | abrotman | azeem: June 2006 apparently .. though not sure which bit |
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| 01:37.42 | IronManMario | where can I download the gcc package on windows so i can put ir on a disk and put that on a laptop with a broken network card |
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| 01:38.03 | IronManMario | i couldn't find it on ftp.debian.com |
| 01:38.10 | azeem | IronManMario: the gcc package is pretty much empty |
| 01:38.20 | azeem | IronManMario: it's ftp.debian.org anyway |
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| 01:38.32 | IronManMario | .com works |
| 01:38.49 | IronManMario | just where do i get it |
| 01:39.09 | azeem | IronManMario: you'd need to download the required dependencies as well |
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| 01:39.23 | IronManMario | ??? |
| 01:39.24 | philth|work | I've installed mono from the unstable repository, but I do not have the vbnc executable that is included since 1.2.3, I have version 1.2.6. What package do I need to get vbnc? |
| 01:39.35 | Malf | IronManMario: Head to debian.org and there's a link to search packages |
| 01:39.47 | azeem | IronManMario: gcc depends on some other packages |
| 01:39.51 | Malf | IronManMario: from there you can look up GCC for your release and it'll link you to the downloads |
| 01:39.56 | azeem | IronManMario: you cannot just download the gcc package and install it |
| 01:39.58 | Malf | IronManMario: As well as listing the dependencies |
| 01:40.08 | Perplexed_Entity | linux without network is hell. |
| 01:40.18 | dvs | yup |
| 01:40.20 | Perplexed_Entity | i tried it for a while, never again |
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| 01:41.18 | IronManMario | windows just needs a .exe file -.- |
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| 01:41.36 | PiousMinion | yeah, format.exe :P |
| 01:42.21 | azeem | IronManMario: what about .dlls? |
| 01:42.33 | sChaaa | PiousMinion, :) |
| 01:42.55 | IronManMario | there's setup .exe files that extract everything by themselvs lol |
| 01:43.00 | PiousMinion | Any one know why there is a libgd2-xpm and a libgd2-noxpm? Why would you not want xpm? |
| 01:43.12 | Perplexed_Entity | sure, and cause a lot more bloat. |
| 01:43.39 | DawnLight | !gentoosmite zomak |
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| 01:43.55 | Perplexed_Entity | "This program requires .net Framework 1, 2 and 3 together. Please shovel crap on your system so it can be executed." |
| 01:44.09 | zomak | DawnLight: nasty guy :( |
| 01:44.18 | DawnLight | hehehe |
| 01:44.22 | IronManMario | linux is fun but windows is easier and more productive. |
| 01:44.28 | zomak | debianists seems to be much more evil than gentooists.. though archlinuxists are the worst :) |
| 01:44.48 | DawnLight | IronManMario: windows rulez |
| 01:45.06 | Perplexed_Entity | at least we all agree that winbound people are ugly :P |
| 01:45.08 | zomak | lets have a windows party (and hope that bsod will not ruin it) |
| 01:45.21 | Malf | IronManMario: I've always found windows rather difficult to use to be honest. Since long before I even knew of linux. |
| 01:45.25 | PiousMinion | IronManMario: linux sucks. you should probably stop using it. :P |
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| 01:45.51 | dvs | !lart PiousMinion |
| 01:45.52 | DawnLight | we only use it because it doesn't cost us money |
| 01:45.54 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, what with that creepy red swirl |
| 01:46.12 | IronManMario | it's blue on mine |
| 01:46.22 | Malf | YOU'RE INFECTED |
| 01:46.24 | Malf | WITH THE BLUE SWIRL |
| 01:46.30 | Perplexed_Entity | blue... swirl O_o |
| 01:46.31 | IronManMario | does debian come with nano |
| 01:46.33 | PiousMinion | heh |
| 01:46.39 | PiousMinion | yes |
| 01:47.09 | Perplexed_Entity | i think there are actually very few programs that debian does NOT come with |
| 01:47.09 | azeem | IronManMario: try "apt-get install --print-uris gcc" on your debian box, and download those files from windows |
| 01:47.20 | Perplexed_Entity | at least in the repos |
| 01:47.29 | IronManMario | the laptop cant get on internet |
| 01:47.30 | azeem | IronManMario: probably it's better to install build-essential rather than gcc anyway |
| 01:47.35 | philth|work | Anyone know how to get vbnc (included with mono) in debian? |
| 01:47.47 | DawnLight | debian comes with hot chicks |
| 01:47.47 | azeem | IronManMario: you can surely copy the list of uris off the laptop though? |
| 01:48.00 | IronManMario | ? |
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| 01:48.28 | IronManMario | I'm just putting packages on disks I want to use with the laptop |
| 01:48.48 | IronManMario | and putting the disks in the laptop |
| 01:48.51 | azeem | IronManMario: and I was just pointing out a smarter method for this |
| 01:48.54 | cheeseboy | ibcurl3-dev: Depends: libcurl3-openssl-dev (= 7.15.5-1etch1) broken pakages |
| 01:48.59 | cheeseboy | how i fix that? |
| 01:49.01 | azeem | with "disks" do you mean floppy disks? |
| 01:49.10 | IronManMario | ya |
| 01:49.17 | azeem | eh, good luck |
| 01:49.21 | IronManMario | I don't have any cd rw's so I'm using floppys |
| 01:49.29 | azeem | what about usb sticks? |
| 01:49.33 | IronManMario | packages are only about a MB |
| 01:49.37 | PiousMinion | floppies, wow |
| 01:49.41 | IronManMario | usb sticks for what? |
| 01:49.52 | azeem | IronManMario: for packages which are bigger than 2 MB |
| 01:50.09 | azeem | like libc6-dev |
| 01:50.12 | IronManMario | my floppys are 4.44 i think or something like that |
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| 01:50.18 | azeem | uh-huh |
| 01:50.35 | IronManMario | oh it was 1.44 |
| 01:50.36 | PiousMinion | 1.44mb afaik |
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| 01:51.02 | azeem | libc6-dev is bigger than 1.44mb |
| 01:51.20 | PiousMinion | IronManMario: you can get like 1.72 out of them though if you google around. ;) |
| 01:51.38 | azeem | dvs: they still are |
| 01:51.39 | cheeseboy | anyone? |
| 01:51.44 | cheeseboy | how do i fix it? |
| 01:51.45 | Gruelius | Hi, i selected to not use a network mirror for the install, does that mean that apt hasnt got the updates repo? |
| 01:51.53 | azeem | cheeseboy: pastebin the whole output |
| 01:51.56 | PiousMinion | cheeseboy: where are you getting that package from? |
| 01:51.56 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 01:51.56 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 01:51.59 | dvs | azeem: and when 1.44MB were new for PCs. |
| 01:52.00 | gonzaloaf | hi, I'm mounting a fat32 fs with this line in my /etc/fstab: '/dev/sda1 /media/e vfat auto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0', but I see weird characters instead of letters with accents and spanish characters in filenames, how do I have to mount it to see e the filenames well? |
| 01:52.14 | PiousMinion | cheeseboy: yeah, do what azzem said. |
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| 01:55.21 | cheeseboy | fixed it |
| 01:55.32 | cheeseboy | anyone here setup unrealircd? |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | Gruelius: it means it doesn't have a network source .. you can add one if you like |
| 01:56.14 | gonzaloaf | if I do a change in /etc/environment, what do I have to do to update the changes? |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | relogin |
| 01:56.56 | Gruelius | abrotman: is there a page with the official repo's i can just copy in? |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 01:57.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | first url |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | you have to construct it .. but it's fairly easy .. or man sources.list .. or ask us |
| 01:57.23 | Gruelius | cheers |
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| 02:01.27 | leOn | hmmm... a way to solve this would be a daemon with the CAP_CHOWN capability that would check a) a certain user/group is authorized to use it and/or b) a user/group has write privileges over the file/dir |
| 02:02.08 | leOn | then a simple client to pass the server the requests |
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| 02:02.46 | Faithful | what happened to dig ? |
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| 02:03.19 | abrotman | it's in dnsutils |
| 02:03.48 | iateadonut | Gruelian: apt-spy |
| 02:03.50 | iateadonut | !apt-spy |
| 02:03.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and ... |
| 02:04.09 | iateadonut | it uses netselect and all that. |
| 02:04.14 | iateadonut | it's really a great program. |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:04.25 | Perplexed_Entity | love the blind guardian quote. |
| 02:04.26 | iateadonut | make sure to update apt-get after you use apt-spy |
| 02:04.46 | frojnd | I'm trying to Build A Linux-Based Wireless Access Point by this how to: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/nethub/article.php/3467111 I have installed all the required packages Pciutils, Wireless tools, Pcmcia-cs, HostAP driver, bridge-utils and now I don't know how do I have to change my /etc/network/interfaces. Here is my /etc/networ/interfaces http://pastebin.ca/901974 eth0 is my wired card. and ra0 is my wifi card. Here is if |
| 02:04.47 | frojnd | config http://pastebin.ca/901956 How do I have to change /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 02:05.01 | Faithful | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:05.44 | gonzaloaf | hi, I'm mounting a fat32 fs with this line in my /etc/fstab: '/dev/sda1 /media/e vfat auto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0', but I see weird characters instead of accents and spanish characters in filenames, how can I solve that? |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | frojnd: your interfaces have the same IP .. try again |
| 02:06.26 | zomak | nighters guys :) |
| 02:07.00 | Malf | gonzaloaf: different iocharset if I were to hazard a guess |
| 02:08.06 | gonzaloaf | Malf, I've tried utf8 but the system told me that is not recommended to mount fat32 fs with this iocharset because its case sensitive |
| 02:08.09 | frojnd | abrotman, but it says that I have to use my network adresses which are different from how to |
| 02:08.26 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:08.33 | Gruelius | abrotman: do i just want stable main and contrib? |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | your eth0 and ra0 have the same IP |
| 02:08.41 | frojnd | abrotman, Debian provides several ways to configure wireless adapters. The simplest is to use /etc/network/interfaces. Add this entry, using your own network addresses and ESSID: |
| 02:08.51 | Malf | gonzaloaf: ahh. I suppose that could get tricky... Yeah I was just guessing. I've never dealt with that really. |
| 02:08.55 | frojnd | abrotman, oh |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | Gruelius: if you're using contrib .. you probably want non-free too |
| 02:09.53 | gonzaloaf | can somebody help me to see spanish characters in filenames in a fat32 fs ? |
| 02:10.05 | frojnd | abrotman, still some errors http://pastebin.ca/902004 |
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| 02:10.26 | abrotman | frojnd: do you have an eth2 ? |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | or an ath0 ? |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | or wlan0 ? |
| 02:10.44 | Gruelius | abrotman: cheers |
| 02:10.48 | frojnd | abrotman, no.. |
| 02:11.03 | frojnd | eth0 is my wired one, and ra0 is my wireless since I have ralink |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | so why do you have those others in your interfaces file ? |
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| 02:11.29 | frojnd | abrotman, good point, I don't know |
| 02:11.43 | leOn | gonzaloaf: have you considered using ntfs-3g ? |
| 02:11.58 | gonzaloaf | leOn, does it mount fat32 fs ? |
| 02:12.18 | leOn | gonzaloaf: you'd convert the FS to NTFS |
| 02:12.37 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: someone gave you a hint if you scroll up |
| 02:12.51 | gonzaloaf | leOn, but ntfs-3g is not stable at all |
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| 02:13.10 | leOn | i've been using it for over a year now on my laptop |
| 02:13.24 | leOn | without any problems |
| 02:13.47 | chandor | gonzaloaf, codepage= ? |
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| 02:14.17 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, I dont see anything, maybe it was in the moment I log out and long in again |
| 02:14.44 | gonzaloaf | chandor, you mean locales? |
| 02:15.08 | gartt | ANyone know how to get rid of console beeps? |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: utf8 is mentioned specifically for vfat |
| 02:15.13 | rhinovirus | is there a way i can remove a partition or OS from the grub loader? |
| 02:15.13 | abrotman | !beep |
| 02:15.14 | dpkg | [beep] /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | !bell |
| 02:15.29 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 02:15.30 | frojnd | abrotman, is this "normal" that it hangs for 3 mins like: * Reconfiguring network interfaces... |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | there we go :) |
| 02:15.37 | abrotman | frojnd: depends |
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| 02:16.02 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, but when I mount fat32 with utf8 I receive a warning that I shouldnt use utf8 because it is not a case sensitive fs |
| 02:16.13 | chandor | gonzaloaf, google says spanish ppl add codepage=850 to the line or smth |
| 02:16.15 | gartt | abrotman: Thanks |
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| 02:16.28 | leOn | surprisingly enough on the ntfs-3g site one can read "NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver" |
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| 02:16.37 | gonzaloaf | chandor, to what line? |
| 02:16.48 | gonzaloaf | chandor, to the fstab line? |
| 02:17.02 | chandor | gonzaloaf, yes |
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| 02:17.54 | proc | hello |
| 02:18.14 | leOn | all i know is that it stopped my locale problem and the stupid 4GB file limit |
| 02:18.25 | chandor | gonzaloaf, like, http://unixadmintalk.com/f8/reading-fat32-disk-spanish-character-filenames-46237/ |
| 02:18.39 | gonzaloaf | chandor, so still mount as iso8859-1 but just add the codepage |
| 02:19.30 | proc | I installed debian a couple of days ago, and today I built a new kernel (2.6.24.2), I made an initrd image with that update tool for the image. during boot I get "begin mounting root filesystem" - and then it hangs. I googled and got some hints for udev and some for maybe a error while creating the initrd image - so what should I do? |
| 02:19.44 | gonzaloaf | chandor, thanks let me try it |
| 02:20.12 | leOn | proc: make sure you have support for your disk controller on the initrd |
| 02:20.52 | sChaaa | proc, & the right fs ext3 orwhatever you use |
| 02:21.31 | leOn | proc: best way when building a kernel on debian is 1) use the debian way |
| 02:21.54 | leOn | and 2) use the last working kernel config as template for the new kernel |
| 02:21.54 | proc | sChaaa: I put sd_mod and ext3 in the modules file for the ramfs tools |
| 02:22.09 | proc | leOn: I did 2) but built the kernel by hand+ |
| 02:22.44 | leOn | sd_mod isn't an all purpose scsi disk driver |
| 02:23.12 | leOn | proc: i take that your controller is a scsi one .. |
| 02:23.28 | proc | leOn: it's a laptop but identified as sda3 |
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| 02:23.35 | sChaaa | another way is not user initrd ramfs and put all you need to boot your kernel in it (in the linux kernel way) |
| 02:23.35 | leOn | sata then |
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| 02:23.37 | proc | I simply put the first row of lsmod into the initrd |
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| 02:24.25 | leOn | hopefully you still have the working kernel, right ? |
| 02:24.30 | proc | I do |
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| 02:24.50 | leOn | my sugestion is to do it with 1) and 2) |
| 02:24.53 | leOn | =) |
| 02:25.10 | proc | I need the new kernel for installing the nvidia display drivers - does this work with the debian way as well? |
| 02:25.13 | leOn | install kernel-package |
| 02:25.22 | leOn | and let the debian tools work for you |
| 02:25.33 | ftp3 | does knoppix have a firewall or something? i am trying to ssh into it |
| 02:25.37 | sChaaa | all works as debian way or linux way ;) |
| 02:25.45 | Gruelius | can the mdadm version supplied with Etch expand Raid6 arrays? |
| 02:25.45 | proc | alright |
| 02:25.49 | gonzaloaf | chandor, yes this line worked: /dev/sda1 /media/e vfat auto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002,iocharset=utf8,codepage=437 0 0, but I receive this message in syslog: ' kernel: FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!' |
| 02:25.54 | cabezza | hello, someone can do work a Broadcom 4311 wifi ethernet card in Debian Lenny? |
| 02:26.07 | proc | I've never built a kernel the debian way (although I've used it for years) |
| 02:26.19 | frojnd | I've tryed to mount /dev/sda2 /media/win but than I got message that it has to be specified name of the system. This is windows, so how can I mount it ? |
| 02:27.14 | proc | leOn: you're talking about make-kpkg, aren't you? |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 02:27.17 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 02:27.37 | leOn | proc: yep |
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| 02:27.46 | proc | leOn: does it handle initrd images as well? |
| 02:28.09 | ftp3 | i need to ssh into my knoppix live box.. but it says refused.. knoppix says ssh is installed...?? |
| 02:28.25 | abrotman | so fix knoppix .. ask #knoppix |
| 02:28.29 | cabezza | I using 2.6.24 kernel and i trying to use the b43 driver... but my card still not working |
| 02:28.31 | leOn | proc: the only thing i miss in it is that it doesn't make coffee |
| 02:28.33 | leOn | =) |
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| 02:28.53 | proc | leOn: heh, alright then |
| 02:28.58 | leOn | proc: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 02:29.13 | PiousMinion | mount reveals "/dev/hda1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs (rw)", yet "touch /mnt/windows/test.txt" gives "touch: cannot touch `test.txt': Permission denied". Any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
| 02:29.39 | sChaaa | ftp3 /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 02:29.40 | proc | alright |
| 02:29.41 | proc | thanks |
| 02:29.45 | leOn | PiousMinion: permissions? |
| 02:29.57 | PiousMinion | leOn: I'm root. heh |
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| 02:30.15 | cabezza | what about use ndiswrapper with this card? |
| 02:30.16 | leOn | PiousMinion: ls -ld /mnt/windows |
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| 02:31.08 | PiousMinion | leOn: "drwx------ 1 root root 8192 2008-02-12 10:59 ." |
| 02:32.32 | leOn | PiousMinion: have you checked dmesg for disk errors? |
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| 02:33.09 | PiousMinion | leOn: NTFS driver 2.1.27 [Flags: R/W MODULE]. and NTFS volume version 3.1. |
| 02:33.10 | ftp3 | thnks ;-) |
| 02:33.11 | PiousMinion | no errors |
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| 02:35.29 | leOn | PiousMinion: have i told you about the wonders of the ntfs-3g driver ? |
| 02:36.13 | spockboy | heheh |
| 02:36.38 | spockboy | leOn: do you have permissions problems across the entire mount point? |
| 02:36.50 | PiousMinion | leOn: you've yet to mention it. unless you count just now. :P |
| 02:36.54 | leOn | spockboy: i have no problems what so ever |
| 02:37.16 | leOn | PiousMinion: i said it cause i was talking about it earlier |
| 02:37.17 | leOn | =) |
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| 02:37.42 | ftp3 | so. ok. my "bad" drive is freebsd.. i mounted it... but cant read it.. (the drive was not bad, bsd just lost a bunch of files) is there a special command to mount a freebsd drive in knoppix |
| 02:37.43 | spockboy | haha |
| 02:37.50 | spockboy | sorry |
| 02:37.53 | chandor | PiousMinion, fuse forbids others (even root) to work with its mounts by default |
| 02:37.57 | spockboy | meant for PiousMinion |
| 02:38.51 | chandor | PiousMinion, i mean only the user who mounted it can touch |
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| 02:39.34 | frojnd | ok so I mounted ntfs partition, how can I mount it permanently and how can I access to it, since it says that it's locked and only root can acces to it ? |
| 02:39.34 | leOn | ouch .. 2:40am .. time to sleep |
| 02:39.34 | Wyzard | ftp3: "-t ufs", but usually the filesystem type can be auto-detected |
| 02:39.53 | PiousMinion | The only thing I care about is stable ntfs rw support. Could point me in the right direction of getting it working on etch? |
| 02:40.23 | Wyzard | ftp3: Also you need to specify the FreeBSD partition, which is within a DOS partition ("slice" in BSD terminology)... I'm not sure how Linux maps BSD partition tables to names in /dev |
| 02:40.32 | spockboy | PiousMinion: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ntfs-3g |
| 02:41.06 | PiousMinion | spockboy: I'm sure I could find the dev page and compile from scratch, but I prefer to do things the debian way if at all possible. |
| 02:41.06 | leOn | PiousMinion: some have the opinion that ntfs-3g isn't stable enough ... |
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| 02:41.29 | leOn | i've been using it for a while without any problems .. but maybe i've been lucky =P |
| 02:41.35 | PiousMinion | leOn: is it considered the "most" stable? |
| 02:41.38 | akuwamari | where can i change PATH variable and save |
| 02:41.40 | akuwamari | ? |
| 02:42.04 | leOn | well ... all i know is that it's on testing/sid and you have TWO backports |
| 02:42.12 | leOn | both on etch and sarge |
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| 02:42.33 | Malf | Anyone have suggestions on the best way to go to add buttons to xdm? (I've seen some places say xmessage, others say put together something in tcl) |
| 02:42.42 | Gruelius | when i halt it seems to shutdown wether the raid1 array is busy or not. Is there a way to make it wait and shut down the raid array properly? |
| 02:43.25 | leOn | also it was the first ntfs driver that didn't cause me funky sh*t on my ntfs partitions |
| 02:44.02 | leOn | but like i said ... maybe i'm a lucky guy .. use it at your own risk =) |
| 02:44.14 | PiousMinion | of course |
| 02:44.17 | Azzco | I'm trying to install from the netinst CD. Network is not detected could I havve any use of a allready installed distro with working network? |
| 02:44.38 | ftp3 | wyzard: thanks.. looking for that info.. knoppix mounted it but i can tread it |
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| 02:44.57 | Wyzard | ftp3: What happens when you try? |
| 02:45.05 | Wyzard | ftp3: and note that Knoppix is not supported here |
| 02:45.19 | leOn | Azzco: use debootstrap |
| 02:46.28 | leOn | you can use it to bootstrap a new install in a certain location while using another install ... then just configure it to boot and set your bootloader right |
| 02:47.06 | Azzco | leOn: I'm on a redhat based distro right now. Is debootstrap only for debian systems? |
| 02:47.23 | ftp3 | wyzard: ls: reading directory /work: Input/output error |
| 02:47.33 | leOn | http://capricorn.woot.net/~jdrew/debian-chroot.html |
| 02:47.37 | leOn | Azzco: go there |
| 02:47.47 | Wyzard | ftp3: That could be a bad disk after all |
| 02:47.51 | Azzco | Thanks :) |
| 02:47.56 | Wyzard | ftp3: Look for I/O error messages in dmesg |
| 02:48.06 | Wyzard | ftp3: particularly anything like { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 02:48.40 | ftp3 | wyzard: UFS-fs error (device hda1): ufs_check_page: bad entry in directory #2: inode out of bounds - offset=0, rec_len=24, name_len=0 |
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| 02:48.55 | leOn | looks like bad FS to me |
| 02:48.56 | Wyzard | ftp3: corrupted filesystem perhaps |
| 02:49.17 | Wyzard | ftp3: fsck it (dunno if Debian has an fsck for UFS, but FreeBSD certainly does) |
| 02:49.20 | ftp3 | wyzard: how do I fix it? I REALLY need the files off of there.. it IS my backup |
| 02:49.39 | PiousMinion | I've installed ntfs-3g and fuse. No matter what mount options I try mount says "only root can do that". grrrr |
| 02:49.40 | Wyzard | ftp3: You fix it by running fsck to get the filesystem back into a consistent state |
| 02:50.11 | Wyzard | ftp3: If you're lucky, it isn't badly corrupted, and can be repaired without any data loss |
| 02:50.12 | ftp3 | wyzard: hmm.. so i need a fsck for UFS? |
| 02:50.16 | leOn | ftp3: try fsck.ufs |
| 02:50.19 | Wyzard | ftp3: yes |
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| 02:50.26 | leOn | it's in the hurd package |
| 02:50.40 | GuilhermeBrant | Hey how can I check my Debian version? |
| 02:50.53 | Agrajag- | GuilhermeBrant: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:51.27 | GuilhermeBrant | k thank you |
| 02:51.49 | ftp3 | le0n: where do i get fsck.ufs? |
| 02:52.01 | ftp3 | oh |
| 02:52.03 | ftp3 | i see |
| 02:52.14 | GuilhermeBrant | !help |
| 02:52.36 | ftp3 | le0n: apt-cache search herd shows nothing |
| 02:53.04 | ftp3 | i mean hurd ;-) |
| 02:53.17 | leOn | i'm not even sure if you can use it like that |
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| 02:53.44 | leOn | ftp3: what version are you running? |
| 02:53.45 | Wyzard | ftp3: Why not use FreeBSD's install/recovery CD to run their own fsck? |
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| 02:54.04 | leOn | Wyzards words seem wiser |
| 02:54.12 | leOn | and i need to sleep |
| 02:54.13 | leOn | later |
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| 02:55.13 | ftp3 | wyzard: it was freebsd 4.10.. |
| 02:55.40 | blindrat | I have all my music on a debian box and I have two windows boxes that each have surround sound on them.. the linux box has a sound card that isn't supported onboard so I got no sound on it.. I am currently sharing the music via samba, how can I play the music right off debian and be able to control it from windows and still play the sound through the two windows boxes? |
| 02:55.42 | Wyzard | so? |
| 02:55.50 | ftp3 | dunno if the 4.10 cd has recovery |
| 02:55.59 | Wyzard | ftp3: I'd be surprised if it didn't |
| 02:56.06 | blindrat | I know about NAS (Network Audio System) but there doesn't seem to be a client/driver for windows |
| 02:56.10 | ftp3 | and the box is 3hrs away.. i had a knoppix cd in the drive |
| 02:56.14 | Wyzard | ftp3: but regardless, you could use the current 6.3 CD |
| 02:56.16 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:56.41 | Wyzard | ftp3: Well, then you should ask #knoppix about how to get a UFS fsck in that distro |
| 02:56.41 | ftp3 | should i stay away from knoppix mounting it so as not to damage it more? |
| 02:56.58 | Wyzard | ftp3: wouldn't be a bad idea, but mounting read-only should be safe |
| 02:56.58 | ftp3 | will do, thank you |
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| 02:59.20 | chandor | blindrat, VideoLAN ? |
| 02:59.48 | blindrat | hmm |
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| 03:00.01 | blindrat | sounds like its unrelated to music but I can look into it |
| 03:00.38 | chandor | blindrat, it can stream audio as well. |
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| 03:00.56 | blindrat | right now one box is playing it via samba with winamp and the two amps are wired together to give the effect of whole house sound but you can only change the music from the master windows box that's playing |
| 03:01.22 | blindrat | I;d like something to the effect of MPD playing through NAS so you can hear it and control it from anywhere |
| 03:01.26 | Wyzard | blindrat: Also take a look at mt-daapd |
| 03:01.34 | blindrat | but MPD works on windows but NAS doesnt seem top |
| 03:01.39 | blindrat | s/top/to |
| 03:02.38 | robboplus | hm is there a way to force a reboot when shutdown -r 0 now fails? |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | blindrat: mpd ? |
| 03:06.18 | abrotman | !info mpd etch |
| 03:06.24 | dpkg | mpd: (Music Player Daemon), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.12.1-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 03:07.18 | blindrat | abrotman: yeah but will mpd transport the audio to the windows client? afaik it just allows me to control the audio on the linux box which has no sound card |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | enveezee: NFC .. maybe it can control shoutcast .. really don't know |
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| 03:08.20 | enveezee | I'm worried that doing streaming using icecast which I have installed and running will create latency between the two systems and they will not be sync'd |
| 03:08.54 | enveezee | I couldn't seem to get icecast working anyhow cause xmms or xmm2 wouldn't seem to play since there is no sound card on this box and the liveice plugin is an effect plugin not an output |
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| 03:09.06 | enveezee | I thought there was a null output on them.. |
| 03:09.15 | enveezee | but I guess if mpd can play to icecast that would work |
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| 03:10.25 | Wyzard | enveezee: Does icecast work by reading what's being played on the soundcard? |
| 03:10.33 | Wyzard | enveezee: If so, modprobe snd-dummy |
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| 03:11.08 | enveezee | Wyzard: afaik icecast needs a client to control it and xmms was my first instict but it won't play anything cause there is no sound devices |
| 03:11.18 | enveezee | I'll look into snd-dummy |
| 03:11.20 | Wyzard | enveezee: snd-dummy will give you a sound device |
| 03:11.24 | enveezee | cool |
| 03:11.40 | Wyzard | (according to its description and common sense at least; I've never used it) |
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| 03:12.05 | lymeca | How do I add an iptables ACL denying all incomnig connections on port 411 except for the IP range 172.30.0.0 <--> 172.30.255.255 ? |
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| 03:12.43 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 03:12.43 | dpkg | methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 03:14.14 | jimm | PiousMinion: an actual hw mixer? |
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| 03:14.38 | jimm | not a computer thing |
| 03:14.52 | PiousMinion | jimm: I ran from audio out on linux box to audio in on windows box. |
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| 03:15.05 | PiousMinion | er wait, vice versa. |
| 03:15.31 | PiousMinion | no seperate hardware was involved. |
| 03:15.35 | Wyzard | lymeca: Rather than writing iptables rules manually, consider using a firewall package like shorewall |
| 03:15.44 | jimm | so you wanted win sound in linux? |
| 03:15.54 | lymeca | Wyzard: Does Shorewall use iptables as a backend? |
| 03:16.04 | PiousMinion | jimm: yes |
| 03:16.19 | Wyzard | lymeca: yes, all Linux firewall packages are actually just iptables rules generators |
| 03:16.35 | jimm | did that work? |
| 03:16.54 | Wyzard | lymeca: though I'm not sure why I typed Shorewall -- I meant to recommend FireHOL (which is more straightforward to configure than Shorewall) |
| 03:17.14 | PiousMinion | jimm: after adjusting the volume for "line in" in linux, yeah. |
| 03:17.50 | jimm | ok |
| 03:17.54 | Gruelius | fdisk says that /dev/md2p1 exists but it isnt in /dev, can anyone help me? |
| 03:18.02 | Gruelius | i am trying to setup a LVM partition on a raid5 array |
| 03:18.02 | jimm | were there problems other than that? |
| 03:18.23 | Wyzard | Gruelius: md2p1 is a component of a partitionable RAID array, which has nothing to do with LVM |
| 03:18.24 | PiousMinion | jimm: not at all. |
| 03:18.29 | Wyzard | Gruelius: You probably don't want that |
| 03:18.37 | Gruelius | Wyzard: i want to find that component and put a lvm ontop of it |
| 03:18.57 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Why put a partition table on the RAID if you're just going to use LVM on top of it? |
| 03:19.02 | Gruelius | i might not have gone about it right, i went into fdisk and made a large partition of LVM type |
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| 03:19.10 | jimm | excellent :) |
| 03:19.17 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Use a non-partitionable array, e.g. /dev/md2, and run pvcreate on that |
| 03:19.31 | Gruelius | wyzard: kk, is that kind of the standard for raid arrays? |
| 03:19.39 | Wyzard | Gruelius: yes, that's more typical |
| 03:19.59 | Gruelius | while im here, how can i tell if my raid array gets shut down cleanly |
| 03:20.00 | Wyzard | Gruelius: No need to run fdisk on the array -- make the whole array device be the LVM PV |
| 03:20.10 | Gruelius | when the computer shuts down |
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| 03:20.29 | Wyzard | Gruelius: there should be some messages about that on the screen |
| 03:20.32 | Gruelius | cause when its showing all the messages it says MD1 busy, im being pedantic cause my last array got corrupted |
| 03:20.52 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Is your root filesystem located on md1? |
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| 03:21.05 | Gruelius | on a lvm yeah |
| 03:21.12 | Gruelius | boot is on /dev/md0 |
| 03:21.13 | jimm | Gruelius: it's more of a peace-of-mind thing if you have true hardware raid |
| 03:21.19 | jimm | like, |
| 03:21.30 | jimm | a 3ware card |
| 03:21.35 | Gruelius | jimm: yeah, bit expensive |
| 03:21.41 | jimm | true |
| 03:21.44 | Wyzard | Gruelius: That's why |
| 03:22.10 | jimm | when I do lvm I stick to one disk |
| 03:22.11 | Wyzard | Gruelius: The RAID array can't be stopped while it's in-use (by a mounted filesystem, active LVM PV, etc.) |
| 03:22.22 | Wyzard | Gruelius: and the root filesystem doesn't get unmounted at shutdown, only remounted read-only |
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| 03:22.26 | Azzco | I'm trying to follow the docs on how to install with bootstrap. but I can't cd into the mirror as I guess I'm trying to do with debootstrap.. |
| 03:22.41 | Wyzard | Gruelius: The message is harmless (I've been using LVM on dm-crypt on raid5 for over a year and never had any problems with that) |
| 03:22.45 | Gruelius | wyzard:so does it get shut down nicely in the end? ah k |
| 03:22.49 | Gruelius | sweet :) |
| 03:23.02 | jimm | Azzco: ok, so you're trying to install a debian using debootstrap? |
| 03:23.08 | Gruelius | i do have backups but if im pedantic should i really go for a 3ware card? |
| 03:23.22 | Gruelius | i hope to have a 15 disk raid6 array down the track, a 3ware controller would cost.. alot :p |
| 03:23.36 | Azzco | Yes, netinst didn't detect network, I'm getting lost at step 3.3 here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 03:23.50 | lobao | how i check a crc of a file?? |
| 03:23.50 | jimm | 15 disk?! why that much? and what's the machine for? |
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| 03:24.23 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Software RAID is fine unless you really need high performance, like for a server or something |
| 03:24.25 | jimm | btw, YES, I would go for a real raid controller such as a 3ware |
| 03:24.37 | Gruelius | Wyzard: yeah thats the impression i got |
| 03:24.43 | Gruelius | jimm: its a video file server |
| 03:24.52 | Gruelius | and as i need more space disks get cheaper and cheaper |
| 03:24.54 | jimm | so you need the performance |
| 03:25.00 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Keep in mind, with hardware RAID, the on-disk format is vendor-specific, so if the RAID card dies, you have to worry about whether the replacement is compatible, or it won't be able to read your array |
| 03:25.10 | Gruelius | when i get to 14 disks, i buy 5 disks of the newest size and use the old disks in a tape backup fashion |
| 03:25.45 | Gruelius | jimm: not really |
| 03:25.46 | jimm | well that's not the best backup solution (since hds have lots of moving parts as opposed to a tape) |
| 03:25.50 | Gruelius | it gets written to about 3 times a week |
| 03:25.56 | Gruelius | and the reads are < 1mbps per person |
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| 03:26.11 | jimm | howbout stability? |
| 03:26.12 | Gruelius | and afaik with a beefy cpu and sata i should be able to get neat reading speeds |
| 03:26.20 | Gruelius | stability? mdadm seems to be stable :p |
| 03:26.20 | Wyzard | Gruelius: sounds like you don't really need a hardware RAID card for performance reasons |
| 03:26.25 | Gruelius | wyzard: yeah |
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| 03:26.30 | Gruelius | if i had some sort of database |
| 03:26.32 | Gruelius | for a enterprise |
| 03:26.35 | Gruelius | id go raid10 with hardware |
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| 03:27.29 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 03:27.30 | Gruelius | do i have to worry about phys extents? |
| 03:27.32 | jimm | I didn't realize you had that kind of info... you're plenty capable |
| 03:27.34 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Also, btw, keep in mind that the more drives you have, the greater the risk of one of them dying |
| 03:27.39 | neilthereildeil | what package type does debian use? |
| 03:27.48 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Rather than using raid5, consider buying one more drive and using raid6 |
| 03:27.49 | Gruelius | Wyzard: yeah im hoping raid6 will have my back for that :p |
| 03:27.51 | zinx | neilthereildeil: .deb (a Debian/dpkg package) |
| 03:27.55 | neilthereildeil | ok thanks |
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| 03:27.57 | Wyzard | ah, you already are |
| 03:28.02 | jimm | a .deb is a .ar which contains two tarballs and a text file |
| 03:28.04 | Gruelius | wyzard: this setup is tempoary, its a raid5 array from spare 500g drives |
| 03:28.05 | thd | where do the scripts for uninstalling debian packages live? |
| 03:28.14 | Gruelius | when i get some funds im going to buy 5 or so 1tb drives |
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| 03:28.22 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:28.40 | Gruelius | anyway, phys extents for a LVM, do i have to manually set them because my array is large? |
| 03:28.45 | Wyzard | Gruelius: I've had two drives fail out of a 3-drive RAID-5... I was able to recover, but it's not fun |
| 03:28.46 | jimm | Gruelius: is this for you? or for someone? or for a company? |
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| 03:28.47 | proc | hello |
| 03:28.56 | Gruelius | its for home |
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| 03:29.04 | Wyzard | Gruelius: Are you asking about the size of the physical extents? |
| 03:29.08 | jimm | oh ok, then you're the primary decision maker |
| 03:29.17 | zinx | Gruelius: nothing should change just because the drive is bigger |
| 03:29.30 | proc | I've still got that problem (even with the debian way of kernel compiling): "begin: waiting for root filesystem" after booting the newly installed 2.6.24.2 - in google I found that there may be a problem with udev |
| 03:29.31 | Gruelius | Wyzard: i saw in one lvm article the guy said phys extents need to be set because there is a limit to how many there can be |
| 03:29.33 | proc | I'm using etch |
| 03:29.33 | jimm | (or your wife is :) |
| 03:29.40 | zinx | Gruelius: except your BIOS/controller may not support the addressing required.. but that's not something you can do anything about, generally. |
| 03:29.48 | Wyzard | Gruelius: That's true, but it's a fairly large limit |
| 03:29.53 | Gruelius | 65000? |
| 03:30.11 | jimm | how big is an extent |
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| 03:30.19 | Wyzard | Gruelius: No, that was true under lvm1 but I think it's a 32-bit number under lvm2 |
| 03:30.27 | Gruelius | sweet |
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| 03:30.32 | jimm | oh, lvm extents |
| 03:30.34 | Gruelius | so i shouldnt worry? |
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| 03:30.47 | jimm | looks like you don't need to |
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| 03:30.53 | Wyzard | Gruelius: hmm, "man vgcreate" says there's a limit of 65534 extents per logical volume though |
| 03:30.53 | Gruelius | ah this array is only going to hit 1.5tb or 2 if its lucky :) baby stuff |
| 03:30.57 | Gruelius | thankyou for all of the help :) |
| 03:31.09 | Wyzard | Gruelius: I like to go with 64MB extents anyway |
| 03:31.17 | rndn | heeelp. Why is it that I shut down networking, but nothing will restart it except a reboot? |
| 03:31.33 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:31.34 | jimm | ifup will not? |
| 03:31.35 | rndn | I've tried switching runlevels (to single and back to default of 2) but still no avail |
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| 03:31.39 | ebb | just used debian for first time and i like it =) |
| 03:31.58 | jimm | ebb: your machine/your install? |
| 03:32.03 | rndn | nope, networking restart and ifup do not work.. ifconfig eth0 up will bring that interface back, but the routing tables aren't setup (just localhost is in it) |
| 03:32.32 | Wyzard | Gruelius: oh, I was misreading the manpage -- the 65534-per-LV limit is indeed LVM1 only |
| 03:32.34 | rndn | I was trying to work on a system from remote, and I did networking restart and it never came back up .. :( |
| 03:32.39 | ebb | its a xen image i downloaded from jailtime debian etch |
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| 03:32.54 | jimm | could you put your /etc/network/interfaces file on a pastebin like rafb.net/paste |
| 03:33.06 | rndn | thankfully I have physical access to the system and could hook my monitor and kb to it :) |
| 03:33.08 | Wyzard | Gruelius: "If the volume group metadata uses lvm2 format those restrictions do not apply, but having a large number of extents will slow down the tools but have no impact on I/O performance to the logical volume." |
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| 03:33.23 | rndn | jimm, k |
| 03:33.32 | jimm | let me fix that m |
| 03:33.55 | rndn | although that reminds me of one test (removing everything but eth0 -- since I long ago added eth0:1 to it).. nevertheless, eth0 comes up at boot (and eth0:1 does not -- that's what I was working on) |
| 03:33.56 | ebb | jimm: its a 2ghz amd 1G ram /debian etch |
| 03:34.00 | rndn | but networking restart leaves it all down |
| 03:34.10 | rndn | bb |
| 03:34.28 | thd | I have a package which calls a non-existent command when as part of its package removal script and even though the package has been removed it is marked broken. Where can I find the removal script called by a particular package so I can comment out the offending line? |
| 03:34.33 | jim | there, the m is fixed! |
| 03:34.42 | ebb | used slackware years ago then gentoo now I think I use debian :) |
| 03:34.56 | Wyzard | thd: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 03:35.25 | jim | ebb: hmm, you have packaging to get used to then |
| 03:35.33 | jim | other than that it won't be a lot different |
| 03:35.54 | ebb | yeh i did a ipkg -i so far once lol |
| 03:36.11 | Wyzard | Do you mean dpkg? |
| 03:36.16 | ebb | i mean dpkg |
| 03:36.18 | ebb | lol |
| 03:36.25 | Wyzard | ipkg is the packaging tool in OpenWRT :-) |
| 03:36.33 | jim | note that you can build anything you want, just like on those systems... debian installations have their installed-package database which likes to be kept happy |
| 03:36.47 | jim | which you can choose to get used to |
| 03:36.52 | ebb | Its also packaging system on familiar |
| 03:36.57 | ebb | linux |
| 03:37.02 | jim | yes |
| 03:37.14 | jim | most things will be same ol same ol |
| 03:37.29 | jim | especially if you're a shell guy |
| 03:37.37 | ebb | yeh definitly am |
| 03:37.44 | rndn | okay.. that system's fscking at boot.. couldn't ssh in |
| 03:37.54 | ebb | screen ,vim are my friends :) |
| 03:37.59 | rndn | hey, where'd jimm go? sigh. |
| 03:38.06 | thd | thanks Wyzard |
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| 03:38.17 | jim | yeah! where'd jimm go??! |
| 03:38.27 | rndn | oh.. he just lost weight |
| 03:38.44 | rndn | get rid of a little bit of "mmm" and you can lose some weight too! |
| 03:38.46 | ebb | thnx for advice on builds jim |
| 03:38.52 | enveezee | how the hell do you speed up the pointer when using the shift+numlock keyboard pointer? |
| 03:39.03 | enveezee | in xorg that is |
| 03:39.18 | jim | one thing you'll find, is as a result of the dependency-based packaging system, the toolchain is always rock solid |
| 03:39.29 | jim | well almost always :) |
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| 03:39.42 | ebb | cool =) |
| 03:40.19 | jim | there are certain things I always build because I don't want the packaging system touching it at all |
| 03:40.32 | ebb | I had problems getting cross compile toolchain on gentoo working |
| 03:40.38 | rndn | like what, jim? |
| 03:40.42 | ebb | got it working in the end |
| 03:41.03 | ebb | I think i use it for cross compiling :) |
| 03:41.12 | jim | aolserver + a local tcl + aolserver modules including one to talk to postgres |
| 03:41.26 | jim | + xotcl and some other things that openacs needs |
| 03:41.46 | jim | and sometimes also postgres |
| 03:41.49 | Gruelius | Should i play with any ext3 settings for a large FS (1tb) with large files? |
| 03:42.05 | Gruelius | i dont really care for performance, just reliability |
| 03:42.06 | jim | you should at least know what they are |
| 03:42.28 | zinx | Gruelius: there aren't any settings for reliability other than journalling/check frequency |
| 03:42.50 | Gruelius | are there any performance tweaks that dont hurt reliability? |
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| 03:43.12 | jim | rndn: I have an openacs site I've been building (well mostly not building :) |
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| 03:43.20 | zinx | Gruelius: none of the performance tweaks hurt reliability, apart from journalling/check frequency ones |
| 03:43.43 | ebb | installing apps and being able to use them right away without waiting for comile seems wierd to me lol |
| 03:43.47 | zinx | Gruelius: the noatime/nodiratime stuff may hurt compatibility, but very very few programs need atime set |
| 03:43.49 | Gruelius | which paramaters should i set? i have no clue :) |
| 03:43.58 | Gruelius | kk |
| 03:44.04 | zinx | Gruelius: and those are mount options, not ext3 options |
| 03:44.11 | radius | what do most ppl tend to use when it comes to pop3 on debian? for years i used teapop and just recently switched to qpopper when i upgraded the hdd's - just wondering ppls impression |
| 03:44.25 | jim | there are lots of different pop3 servers |
| 03:44.40 | Gruelius | What is the standard for auto hardware/software integrity monitoring |
| 03:44.59 | Gruelius | if it fscks at boot and finds a error, how would i get it to alert me via email |
| 03:45.02 | jim | some are specific addons requiring specific other parts, like maildirs, or mail transport agents, or webmail maybe, or other stuff |
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| 03:45.34 | abrotman | yeah .. that FAQ seems pretty out of date |
| 03:46.09 | radius | ok on a scale of 1-10 - jim - how would you rate teapop and qpopper ? |
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| 03:47.02 | jim | oh, remote? how far is it? |
| 03:47.35 | jim | I don't use pop atm, and I haven't used teapop |
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| 03:48.06 | rndn | trying to find a good openacs model site |
| 03:48.18 | jim | greenpeace.org |
| 03:48.19 | hdevalence | for some reason the debian installer does not work -- when I get to the part where it is configuring APT, it asks to use the network or not, etc, wether I want to register CDs, etc but as soon as I get to the part where apt is supposed to run and download and install things it tells me I need to insert the cd "$very_long_label" into the drive, but it's already inside. |
| 03:48.26 | jim | berkleemusic.com |
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| 03:49.06 | rndn | what part of it is community contributed? |
| 03:49.17 | jim | the toolkit itself |
| 03:49.41 | jim | if you use postgres as the db, every part |
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| 03:50.32 | jim | meaning you can get all support parts and the toolkit itself |
| 03:50.48 | jim | otoh, you can also use orackle which isn't free |
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| 03:51.10 | rndn | here's my interfaces: http://bdh.voyager.com/test.html |
| 03:51.13 | radius | oracle? |
| 03:51.18 | jim | yeah |
| 03:51.19 | I_Died_Once | whats a good program to send images from a video device to other computers ??? |
| 03:51.27 | jim | I thought my spelling was better :P |
| 03:51.31 | path_ | obexftp |
| 03:51.32 | path_ | :) |
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| 03:51.43 | rndn | idied, depends on what you mean. can vlc (videolan) handle it? |
| 03:51.58 | rndn | I think it can view a device and re-distribute it as a streaming server |
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| 03:54.48 | rndn | eth0 comes up at boot, but eth:* fail to come up. and everything but 'lo' fail to return after a networking restart |
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| 03:55.28 | Gruelius | how do i check the size of the directory from the console? |
| 03:55.38 | jim | du -s . |
| 03:55.41 | Gruelius | cheers |
| 03:55.56 | rndn | jim, did you get my url? |
| 03:56.10 | jim | yeaqh, looking at it now... |
| 03:56.14 | rndn | since you seemed gnowlegguble |
| 03:56.23 | jim | why do you have three addresses? :) |
| 03:56.23 | rndn | gnawleggable |
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| 03:57.09 | rndn | this server's going to replace some other servers |
| 03:57.29 | jim | I think there are two things going on... first, you probably need auto eth0, auto eth0:1 and auto eth0:2 lines |
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| 03:58.04 | robboplus | how do you mount a raw disk image? |
| 03:58.05 | rndn | right now I basically would need two IPs.. one for our lan, and one so I can get the final IP setup on it because I want to be able to take this machine to the colo facility and get it in quickly without reconfiguring a lot of things |
| 03:58.13 | xsdg | robboplus: mount -o loop |
| 03:58.15 | robboplus | it's NTFS raw disk image actually |
| 03:58.19 | rndn | I can possibly do it all on one ip still... *thinking* |
| 03:58.25 | robboplus | thank you xsdg, trying.. |
| 03:58.29 | xsdg | np |
| 03:58.53 | xsdg | jim: you know what's starting to make me feel old? |
| 03:59.14 | xsdg | jim: there are 86 folks in #ipv6 |
| 03:59.23 | liable | you need to get up to pee three times during the night? |
| 03:59.39 | xsdg | liable: no, that's what keeps me feeling young *g* |
| 03:59.49 | rndn | xsdg, time passing by without youthful exercise and time alone to sit and do some spiritual practices? |
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| 04:00.03 | jim | xsdg: how many over the years? |
| 04:00.24 | rndn | what keeps me feeling young is not getting up but peeing 3 times during the night |
| 04:00.30 | xsdg | jim: well, I used to hang out in the channel when it was around 5-ish |
| 04:00.41 | xsdg | jim: and I just realized that that was around 5 or 6 years ago |
| 04:00.52 | jim | same with me and this channel :) |
| 04:01.38 | rndn | oy.. I've been irc'ing for 14 years |
| 04:02.00 | xsdg | jim: yeah, and the network. I remember when we started consistently breaking 1000 |
| 04:02.18 | rndn | so.. what was the 2nd thing jim? before I do a networking restart :) |
| 04:02.23 | xsdg | :o) |
| 04:02.54 | spockboy | cool. 14 years ago, I was in the first grade :-) |
| 04:03.15 | rndn | you like star trek? |
| 04:03.22 | jim | well the second thing is that I'm not sure how you're going to get three IPs on the same net like that to work |
| 04:03.28 | spockboy | star trek??? |
| 04:03.41 | jim | help me, spock! |
| 04:03.42 | spockboy | oh lol |
| 04:03.48 | rndn | jim, you've never done that? I did that a lot |
| 04:03.49 | xsdg | man... 1994 was 3 years after my family got our first computer |
| 04:03.53 | spockboy | nooo please. I am too young for Star Trek |
| 04:04.19 | rndn | go type ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.200 or some IP and then ifconfig to check it out |
| 04:04.23 | abrotman | HA .. Jim and Spock .. together again |
| 04:04.27 | jim | when they came out |
| 04:04.32 | xsdg | abrotman: :o) |
| 04:04.39 | abrotman | jim: in the 60s eh ? :) |
| 04:04.42 | rndn | we used to have to do that for handling multiple websites -- before NameVirtualHost existed |
| 04:04.48 | jim | I believe so yes |
| 04:05.08 | jim | well didn't see the talos 4 one until later |
| 04:05.10 | xsdg | jim: I was just around for TNG :o) |
| 04:05.16 | chronic1 | valdyn: another question if you have a sec....the instructions worked perfectly...i made some more changes and it doesn't think it needs to rebuild...anyway to force a recompilation with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 04:06.02 | rndn | jim, I have some ports open for some things, but on specific IPs.. this allows me to keep the publically viewable IP address pure-seeming, although you might, say, ssh in on another IP |
| 04:06.09 | rndn | but people wouldn't readily know of that IP |
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| 04:06.12 | jim | kaptain kirk (ssssrrrrsssrr) I will be merciful (sssrrrrrrss) and quick (rrrssrrr) |
| 04:06.23 | rndn | there's more to it than this, of course.. filtering between, etc. |
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| 04:06.58 | rndn | some other security measures too |
| 04:07.08 | jim | who remembers what race that character who said that line is? |
| 04:07.36 | rndn | sleestack? |
| 04:07.36 | xsdg | rndn: have you ever run into the issue with a real multi-homed machine that linux answers for all of the IPs on any of the interfaces? |
| 04:07.36 | shriphani | can someone tell me why fonts in iceweasel look so disgusting if I set it to allow pages to use their own fonts ? |
| 04:07.49 | jim | and who knows the intro story? |
| 04:07.57 | xsdg | shriphani: sounds like you're missing fonts, though I don't really know |
| 04:08.01 | rndn | xsdg, what issue? |
| 04:08.02 | robboplus | rndn 10 years here... |
| 04:08.10 | rndn | like, a ping to .255? |
| 04:08.17 | robboplus | [05:01:38] <rndn> oy.. I've been irc'ing for 14 years |
| 04:08.27 | rndn | robbo, nod.. I understood :) |
| 04:08.34 | robboplus | right |
| 04:09.14 | robboplus | and after all this time i still don't have enough :) |
| 04:09.18 | shriphani | so eveyone else's fonts looks extremely nice ? |
| 04:09.24 | jim | it stopped working when I went back to i386 |
| 04:09.24 | Firefishe | jim: gorn? |
| 04:09.35 | xsdg | rndn: no; I had a machine with two NICs, on the same network with two IPs |
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| 04:09.59 | jim | give that man a bamboo stalk with some rocks and diamonds! |
| 04:10.06 | xsdg | rndn: one of the NICs was attached to a slow switch, and the other was attached to a fast switch |
| 04:10.20 | Firefishe | jim: was I right? |
| 04:10.24 | jim | yep |
| 04:10.31 | rndn | xsdg, for redundancy? |
| 04:10.31 | Firefishe | Yayyy! |
| 04:11.00 | ebb | first apt-get =) |
| 04:11.10 | rndn | yay.. networking came back up |
| 04:11.17 | rndn | it was the auto lines.. thank you so much jim |
| 04:11.18 | jim | it did? cool :) |
| 04:11.22 | xsdg | rndn: no, I was using the slow switch for a massive file transfer, and said "you know, this would go faster if we stuck a fast switch between the source and dest machines" |
| 04:11.26 | jim | all the interfaces up? |
| 04:11.53 | xsdg | rndn: little did I know that linux would respond to both IPs over the slow switch |
| 04:12.00 | rndn | I'm also considering putting our services on one IP too.. to simplify things. I used to have some internal networking going on where I'd be transferring things among systems, but maybe I really don't need multiple IPs now |
| 04:12.12 | jim | well you have them... |
| 04:12.16 | xsdg | rndn: (which partially defeated the purpose of the fast switch until I figured out what was going on) |
| 04:12.17 | rndn | oh yeah.. all the ones I added auto on come up |
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| 04:12.27 | jim | good :) |
| 04:12.47 | Firefishe | jim: okay, I got the race correct. I believe the intro story has to do with a being that the Enterprise encountered just before. |
| 04:12.58 | jim | let's see, an original acs site... scorecard.org |
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| 04:13.48 | rndn | xsdg, hmm.. I don't recall that problem.. you'd think the device and IP were one when you ifconfig it |
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| 04:13.54 | Firefishe | And he popped kirk to that planet where he and the gorn were to fight to the death, but kirk relented. Then the immortal asked if he wanted the gorn's ship destroyed, but kirk relented, impressed the immortal, and everything was kosher. |
| 04:14.15 | rndn | I mean, one was actually eth0 and the other eth1 right? |
| 04:14.23 | xsdg | rndn: yeah, actual NICs |
| 04:14.35 | jim | yeah, and they had gefelte fish and peanut butter sandwiches to celebrate |
| 04:14.44 | Firefishe | heeee |
| 04:15.21 | rndn | it kind of doesn't make sense |
| 04:15.22 | xsdg | rndn: the problem was that I added the fast switch in the middle of this huge file transfer that we didn't want to restart, but did want to finish faster, so it was a while before I had the balls to disconnect it from the slow network entirely |
| 04:15.30 | jim | and when scotty found a hotdog in the warp drive and asked spock what to do... he suggested mustard |
| 04:15.58 | rndn | you couldn't resume? :) |
| 04:16.07 | Firefishe | methinks that this is a mite of a stretch, even for an old timing trekkie(er) |
| 04:16.09 | xsdg | rndn: you can't resume scp ;o) |
| 04:16.27 | rndn | rsync over ssh? |
| 04:16.35 | rndn | you know.. for the future |
| 04:16.39 | xsdg | rndn: yes, but we weren't rsyncing, we were scping :o) |
| 04:16.44 | jim | some of that was from an audio parody called star dreck |
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| 04:17.40 | rndn | so what happened? |
| 04:17.57 | rndn | did it mess things up until you got a route or two setup to limit things? |
| 04:18.24 | xsdg | rndn: oh, I disconnected it from the slow network and everything went over the fast network, and life was great |
| 04:18.42 | xsdg | rndn: (the fast switch was also connected to the slow switch (which was connected to the internet), so traffic could still get outside) |
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| 04:19.17 | rndn | here a switch there a switch everywhere a switch switch |
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| 04:19.31 | up_the_irons | hey guys. I have Etch installed on a 64 bit AMD proc, but I installed the i386 version, not amd64. This box will not have more than 4GB of RAM. In this case, is it worth using a x86_64 kernel, or will it be smaller to stay with the i386? |
| 04:19.35 | xsdg | yup |
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| 04:20.16 | xsdg | up_the_irons: you shouldn't use x86_64 unless you have some reason to need it/want it |
| 04:20.18 | jim | it's useful to install more ram on that machine, because you can do xen |
| 04:21.05 | up_the_irons | jim: i'm pretty sure I can't get more than 4GB on that box. I believe it only has 2 RAM slots. Not the greatest MB |
| 04:21.20 | up_the_irons | xsdg: what would be a couple reasons I would need/want it though? |
| 04:21.33 | up_the_irons | xsdg: besides not needing PAE if I had more than 4GB of ram |
| 04:21.55 | jim | x86_64 isn't the right one anyway, if you have intel core 2 duo or amd64xWhatever you would use amd64 kernel if anything other than 486 or 686 |
| 04:22.08 | xsdg | up_the_irons: do you want to write or run 64-bit apps? Do you want to address more than 3GB in a single process? |
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| 04:22.43 | rndn | so now I'm trying to setup this machine as a replacement for other machines.. but different things need to be configured using domain names.. you know, like the web services put out "www.site something.com" etc. so I setup bind so this system thinks it IS the real thing |
| 04:23.03 | rndn | is this standard? to kind of setup a fake final environment in which the new systems can be setup? |
| 04:23.08 | xsdg | up_the_irons: there aren't a whole lot of reasons right now unless you want to do scientific/math computing or use lots of memory in a single process |
| 04:23.22 | jim | standard? no, but why not use it if it works |
| 04:23.32 | up_the_irons | xsdg: ok, thanks, good to know |
| 04:24.10 | up_the_irons | jim: ah ok, thanks for the info |
| 04:24.13 | jim | rndn: btw, openacs is a web toolkit with an interesting templating system... want to see a demo? |
| 04:24.16 | rndn | okay.. well let's hope it all works.. thanks. I usually second and thousand-guess myself. |
| 04:24.24 | up_the_irons | i guess i can leave this box alone then |
| 04:24.31 | rndn | sure |
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| 04:24.38 | jim | ok, one sec |
| 04:24.51 | rndn | I wrote a template system.. then re-birthed it as a script language/template system |
| 04:25.16 | rndn | it's also an HTML parser.. I needed that portion of it for a word-reference site I was working on |
| 04:25.31 | xsdg | up_the_irons: also, note that Sun java doesn't run on amd64 (as far as I've heard), and closed-source apps will be a pain as well |
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| 04:25.57 | up_the_irons | xsdg: gotcha |
| 04:25.58 | jim | rndn: ok, go to openacs.org and click on documentation (top near right) |
| 04:26.22 | jim | openacs 5.2 seems good enough |
| 04:27.02 | jim | look on the right, you'll see Installed Packages, find ACS Templating |
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| 04:27.26 | jim | the demo link is near bottom left |
| 04:28.19 | jim | rndn: did you find it? |
| 04:28.19 | Firefishe | I'm trying to install a .deb of some demo writing software. I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m5a29cae8 |
| 04:29.08 | jim | looks like the package file was corrupted |
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| 04:31.24 | Firefishe | funny thing is, I get the same problem on the tarballs offered. Makes me wonder two things: one, is the company's source/compilation corrupted, or is Firefox corrupting the file upon download. |
| 04:32.25 | kgoetz | the latter is fairly reasonable assumption |
| 04:32.47 | Firefishe | kgoetz: thing is, I've always used it with no problem before. Is there a reason it would be doing this? |
| 04:33.17 | Firefishe | this is a recent reinstall: have there been instances when the entire filesystem structure just is corrupt and things like this occur? |
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| 04:34.06 | robboplus | hm can you make an app utilize more than 1 core? |
| 04:34.12 | kgoetz | Firefishe: try wgetting it and see if thta works (and see if it downloads it as binary or text) |
| 04:34.52 | robboplus | for instance when i run qemu-img it uses a single core which is such a waste of cpu, any way to make it run on both cores? |
| 04:35.10 | Firefishe | kgoetz: I don't use wget for anything, what is the syntax? |
| 04:35.31 | kgoetz | robboplus: not afaik |
| 04:35.41 | kgoetz | Firefishe: wget filename (on its most simple level) |
| 04:35.50 | robboplus | kgoetz i don't believe it... must be possible |
| 04:36.12 | robboplus | Firefishe wget --help will get you all the syntax you will ever want in your life :) |
| 04:36.20 | Firefishe | kgoetz k |
| 04:36.21 | kgoetz | robboplus: if an app isnt designed to thread, it wont. check yoru running an smp kernel at least |
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| 04:36.33 | Firefishe | robboplus: k..I'll just try it and see what goes. |
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| 04:37.35 | Firefishe | Well, I just downloaded the same .deb with konqueror...same error. Guess it's the file. wgetting next |
| 04:38.40 | jim | wonder what happened to rndn |
| 04:38.58 | kgoetz | Firefishe: could be their webserver is misconfigured |
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| 04:39.42 | kgoetz | is a package installing both english+french manpages a bug? |
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| 04:40.46 | Firefishe | kgoetz: ya, I'll submit a bug report |
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| 04:40.49 | Firefishe | thanks |
| 04:40.58 | Firefishe | and thanks to all who looked at the paste bin |
| 04:41.31 | kgoetz | Firefishe: good luck :) |
| 04:42.35 | robboplus | kgoetz of course i'm running SMP kernel... why not |
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| 04:42.47 | kgoetz | robboplus: becaues its not installed by default |
| 04:42.48 | emma | hello |
| 04:42.58 | robboplus | kgoetz but all the apps are using just single core, never seen any of them using both actually |
| 04:43.06 | robboplus | mate, i DID INSTALL SMP |
| 04:43.07 | emma | is there a channel more appropriate for non-technical discussion about debian? |
| 04:43.30 | jim | this would be debian support... there is #debian-offtopic |
| 04:43.38 | emma | okay thanks. |
| 04:43.40 | jim | what do you want to talk about? |
| 04:43.41 | wols_ | emma: what discussion exactly? |
| 04:43.48 | robboplus | #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 04:29:08 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:44.02 | robboplus | so why are all the apps utilizing just a single core? |
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| 04:44.25 | robboplus | even mysql can't run on both cores at the same time |
| 04:44.26 | emma | I wanted to know how avid debian users feel about Ubuntu |
| 04:44.29 | robboplus | is that normal? |
| 04:44.48 | wols_ | emma: definitely OT. and it's a... bad question |
| 04:44.50 | kgoetz | robboplus: you said why not,k i told you |
| 04:45.03 | wols_ | mzb: how many mysql processes do you have? |
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| 04:45.17 | wols_ | robboplus: how many mysql processes do you have? |
| 04:45.18 | emma | I'm sorry you asked me to tell you. |
| 04:45.32 | mzb | wols_: typo? |
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| 04:45.58 | wols_ | emma: doesn't matter where you ask it, it's at best flamebait |
| 04:46.05 | wols_ | mzb: a BAD one :( |
| 04:46.18 | mzb | I can go back to sleep then? ;) |
| 04:46.24 | kgoetz | 'the keys are just near each other' |
| 04:46.30 | wols_ | mzb: you have my permission :) |
| 04:46.38 | mzb | gee thanks ;) |
| 04:46.46 | wols_ | kgoetz: gimme a break. it's not even 6am |
| 04:46.55 | kgoetz | hehehe |
| 04:47.13 | kgoetz | fair enough :) |
| 04:47.43 | wols_ | emma: no you cannot PM anyone without asking. read the channel rules |
| 04:47.57 | emma | I did ask. |
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| 04:48.11 | wols_ | you PMed me. that is NOT asking |
| 04:48.28 | emma | You are very uptight. Goodnight. |
| 04:48.30 | jim | emma: the least sensational thing that can be said while still conveying the message: ubuntu's packages are all different from debian's packages... they might use the same packaging system (of one version or another) but even there, it's going to be different |
| 04:48.41 | mzb | emma: my answer is: "Horses for courses." |
| 04:49.02 | kgoetz | my answer is : best in ##politics |
| 04:49.28 | wols_ | robboplus: so how many mysql processes do you see? |
| 04:49.35 | mzb | and I think the response from others here has answered the rest of your question ;) |
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| 04:49.50 | emma | I guess I am just curious if there is any resentment about Ubuntu in the rest of the Linux community. I somewhat recently switched to Linux. |
| 04:50.15 | wols_ | emma: every linux distro resents and doesn't resent at the same time any other distro |
| 04:50.17 | emma | but seriously I don't meant to flame nor be off topic so I will gladly just stop right there. |
| 04:50.23 | emma | i see. |
| 04:50.25 | jim | emma: a distribution is generally very large, and hard enough to know all of it without having to know all the other dists too... that would be reason enough to restrict what is supported on some support channel |
| 04:50.44 | wols_ | jim: nvidia working now? |
| 04:50.57 | jim | yes... but packaging db not happy yet |
| 04:51.07 | emma | well for sure each dist needs it's own support channel. |
| 04:51.33 | wols_ | jim: why not? |
| 04:51.35 | jim | dri is yes, driver is 169.something, glxgears works |
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| 04:51.44 | emma | I've started with Ubuntu because it was the easiest for me to get started with but I've always thought, in the long run, if I can really get good at it, I should switch to Debian because it might be more 'grown up' some how. |
| 04:51.52 | jim | nvidia-kernel-common for one |
| 04:51.54 | mzb | I like both (for different reasons). Debian for me, ubuntu for others;) |
| 04:52.08 | kgoetz | mzb: :) |
| 04:52.16 | jim | emma: really it depends what you want |
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| 04:52.29 | mzb | s/others/clients/ |
| 04:52.29 | wols_ | emma: both, ubuntu and dbeian suck if you want to know the turht. just in different way |
| 04:52.38 | wols_ | *truth |
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| 04:52.43 | jim | emma: and know that most of us welcome you to run anything you want to |
| 04:52.59 | emma | i would be very curious to know the way they suck. |
| 04:53.00 | jim | those that don't are just too weird :) |
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| 04:53.16 | wols_ | ubuntu for example is a one size fits all distro |
| 04:53.17 | jim | try it for awhile and see |
| 04:53.23 | wols_ | if you don't like their choices: tough |
| 04:53.32 | emma | I see. |
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| 04:53.44 | Lalo_ | somebody wants to make an interchange cultural? |
| 04:54.20 | liable | huh? |
| 04:54.26 | Lalo_ | hi |
| 04:54.29 | wols_ | Lalo_: no one. especially no in #debian. go to #defocus instead |
| 04:55.00 | jim | what??!! interchanges aren't cultural already?! |
| 04:55.12 | liable | I couldn't help it, i went and bought an eepc, waiting for the battery to charge and i'm gonna install debian on the little fella |
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| 04:55.39 | liable | Lalo_: this isnt really a general chat channel, there are plenty of channels for that on freenode. |
| 04:55.46 | kgoetz | liable: let us know how it goes |
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| 04:57.08 | Lalo_ | liable: what channel? |
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| 04:57.44 | liable | Lalo_: depends on your interests i guess. try #defocus as wols_ suggested |
| 04:57.56 | liable | though i have no idea what that channel is about |
| 04:58.11 | kgoetz | liable: random chat |
| 04:58.22 | Bushmills | like #chillout :) |
| 04:58.47 | liable | oh, sounds like a good start |
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| 04:59.35 | Lalo_ | i wish to learn englsih and interchange with somebody to New York or nobody part to United States |
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| 05:00.48 | liable | Lalo_: go try #defocus this channel is for technical discussion |
| 05:00.58 | Lalo_ | ok |
| 05:01.13 | Lalo_ | very tahks |
| 05:01.24 | liable | no problem |
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| 05:03.00 | Lalo_ | liable: i want to find people like your |
| 05:04.05 | jim | how do you know? |
| 05:04.45 | metasyntax | has anybody else had the experience of upgrading etch to lenny and having their font dpi messed up? |
| 05:05.13 | metasyntax | I managed to set it back in GNOME, but some apps (like GNU Emacs) don't read the font DPI from GNOME |
| 05:05.21 | metasyntax | so Emacs ends up using tiny-looking fonts |
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| 05:10.27 | DocPlatypus | I haven't used Emacs in ages |
| 05:11.22 | Penix | since the great fire |
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| 05:16.23 | metasyntax | I guess my question (mostly off-hand, since I happen to be here, though I could probably find it by Googling) was if there was an easy way to globally change font DPI. |
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| 05:24.01 | judaz | hey |
| 05:24.03 | judaz | there |
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| 05:24.25 | judaz | is there a solution for the ktorrent thing already? |
| 05:24.44 | judaz | the undefined symbol bug? |
| 05:26.24 | wols_ | !btssmite judaz |
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| 05:28.18 | k-man | the version of vacation i have doesn't seem to have the -R option |
| 05:28.31 | k-man | any idea how i can find out which version has the -R option and where i can get it? |
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| 05:40.27 | jcg42 | Do I need to have a mail or DNS server to installed to use ISPConfig? |
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| 05:42.39 | JW | I downloaded from b.o the file for rebuilding imagemagick 6.3 (comes from "experimental") I have imagemagick_6.3.7.9.dfsg1.orig.tar.gz and imagemagick_6.3.7.9.dfsg1-1.diff.gz can someone tell me how to apply the patch? |
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| 05:43.23 | DocPlatypus | JW: apt-get should have done it for you assuming you just did an apt-get source |
| 05:43.29 | DocPlatypus | if not, man patch |
| 05:43.52 | JW | DocPlatypus: I'm not sure how to get source from experimental |
| 05:44.20 | JW | DocPlatypus: I the web page just sent me to a page that had a link to those 3 files |
| 05:44.31 | JW | DocPlatypus: is there a way to make apt use it or something? |
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| 05:48.41 | roler | In a Debian server, is there a way to have a shell account but have mail disabled? I use postfix / dovecot |
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| 05:49.52 | kgoetz | roler: you could disable local mail |
| 05:50.02 | kgoetz | or have the mail system refuse mail from a user |
| 05:50.13 | roler | kgoetz: ; well it's a public server. I want everyone else to still get mail |
| 05:50.43 | kgoetz | roler: there should be a way to refuse/bin mail from a user |
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| 05:51.48 | roler | i would think so |
| 05:52.10 | metasyntax | roler: is it reading or receiving mail you want to prohibit? |
| 05:52.36 | roler | metasyntax: receiving - being delievered to the server. this is a server not a desktop |
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| 05:55.45 | robboplus | hm i can't seem to loop mount an ntfs raw disk image, does anyone know what is the proper syntax for that? i remember from the past that i need offset probably but can't remember how do i find out about it |
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| 05:59.13 | robboplus | YES! GOT IT! :) |
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| 06:00.47 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 06:00.47 | CalJohn | is there any FOSS skype client? |
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| 06:02.12 | Penix | doesn't skype use some silly proprietary protocol? |
| 06:02.31 | DocPlatypus | yeah I think it does |
| 06:02.37 | DocPlatypus | and some feeble attempt at encryption that doesn't work |
| 06:02.48 | robboplus | skype = evil... |
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| 06:03.45 | Penix | CalJohn: so, to answer your question, skype = evil, try google, and there are proper voip clients available under free licenses |
| 06:04.12 | robboplus | that's right. |
| 06:04.46 | Azar | yep, unlike (hm) others.. Debian promotes free software |
| 06:05.04 | robboplus | in this case it's not about free software even |
| 06:05.15 | robboplus | it's about evilish and malicious skype code |
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| 06:05.22 | kgoetz | hehehe |
| 06:05.25 | Azar | robboplus: some people don't know which is free or not |
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| 06:07.46 | robboplus | hm i just managed to mount loop a nice raw disk image |
| 06:07.58 | robboplus | and now i wonder how to create one out of one of my partitions |
| 06:08.09 | se7en | is someone good with irssi (i know there is a #irssi but no one awake) i have 4 different # and i would like to do 2x2 # setup 2 work# on one and 2fun# at the other. is that possible and if how |
| 06:08.56 | kgoetz | se7en: no, irssi requires you to never have fun. |
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| 06:09.59 | robboplus | mirc forever :) |
| 06:10.04 | kgoetz | se7en: :) |
| 06:10.06 | kgoetz | robboplus: :o |
| 06:10.22 | CalJohn | Penix: I understand. My problem is that my friends use skype, and I want to talk to them. |
| 06:10.25 | robboplus | ...on linux of course, no probs with that :) |
| 06:10.47 | CalJohn | Penix: I don't want to use non-free software, so it seems like I cannot talk to them at all. |
| 06:10.48 | robboplus | CalJohn yes, that's a usual problem and that's how this evilness keeps rolling |
| 06:10.59 | CalJohn | robboplus: lock-in :/ |
| 06:11.59 | robboplus | well i would use skype but NEVER on production machine or anything even close to that, just empty, newly installed box perhaps :) |
| 06:12.14 | CalJohn | Penix: what is a good voip client that has a windows version also? |
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| 06:12.40 | CalJohn | I have a blind friend, and i basically want to read to her |
| 06:12.50 | ^shark_ | there is a warning i have been ignoring on my etch >> "Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled" i suspect that this is inetd and its not running |
| 06:12.54 | ^shark_ | am i right? |
| 06:13.19 | CalJohn | ^shark_: there are alternative to inetd, but yes, that is the most likely issue. |
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| 06:13.23 | frojnd | hm |
| 06:13.24 | Azar | se7en: http://garion.org/irssi/features.php the guy's location on the bottom |
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| 06:14.20 | frojnd | Why I can't play .wma files with amarok? I have libxine1 I've also installed w32codecs and I'm still no able to play wma files. Any ideas ? |
| 06:14.40 | ^shark_ | is the http://security.debian.org down |
| 06:14.47 | kgoetz | frojnd: convert your audio |
| 06:14.49 | kgoetz | ^shark_: no |
| 06:15.15 | ^shark_ | i can't seem to get security updates |
| 06:15.20 | frojnd | kgoetz, how with whom tools, I don't wanna loose any quality |
| 06:15.42 | Azar | ^shark_: might that there are no packages on your system with security updates so far |
| 06:16.19 | Azar | ^shark_: or, paste your sources.list file in a paster let's see what you have there |
| 06:16.22 | ^shark_ | Azar: i update my security packages every morning |
| 06:16.26 | kgoetz | frojnd: depends on how many, but perhaps audacity for a few tracks |
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| 06:16.56 | kgoetz | ^shark_: the mirror may be in mid sync. what package isnt downloading? |
| 06:17.02 | Azar | ^shark_: I don't because I know there are not too many packages on my system that are updated "every week" |
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| 06:17.25 | frojnd | kgoetz, I'll try |
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| 06:17.49 | kgoetz | frojnd: the other option is you may need to convert them on a windows box (where the format is native), but i dont know |
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| 06:18.26 | frojnd | kgoetz, I won't have to, I just needed to change to xine engine... o_O |
| 06:18.41 | ^shark_ | this is my sources.list >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1830 |
| 06:18.46 | Azar | I have never heard of "daily security updates" on Debian... weekly, maybe , but not daily |
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| 06:19.33 | Penix | certainly could have a bout of daily updates |
| 06:19.36 | ^shark_ | Azar: i just manually do an update ;) |
| 06:19.40 | Penix | if the moons align right |
| 06:19.56 | ^shark_ | this is the error i am getting >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1831 |
| 06:20.27 | Penix | ^shark_: coz you're trying to get the Sources file |
| 06:20.35 | Azar | ^shark_: this is obsolete: ftp.debian.org < use ftp.us.debian.org or your country's i.e. : .au, .de, .fr etc |
| 06:20.52 | iateadonut | how do you search the apt-get repository from the command line? |
| 06:21.05 | Penix | iateadonut: apt-cache |
| 06:21.15 | kgoetz | iateadonut: ^^ search |
| 06:21.16 | Penix | iateadonut: and there is no 'apt-get repository' |
| 06:21.28 | Penix | heh. tah |
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| 06:22.03 | iateadonut | ooh, sorry, that's in the man. it wasn't in help. |
| 06:22.50 | Azar | ^shark_: try using aptitude update and aptitude upgrade from now on |
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| 06:23.52 | iateadonut | !time |
| 06:23.52 | dpkg | hmm... time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2008.02.13 6:23:52, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 06:24.04 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.04 | iateadonut | !system-tiem |
| 06:24.10 | huhlig | anyone here having trouble with pljava not working on postgresql 8.1? |
| 06:24.11 | iateadonut | !system-time |
| 06:24.14 | Penix | iateadonut: /msg it |
| 06:24.23 | rndn | jim around? |
| 06:24.39 | iateadonut | what does /msg do? |
| 06:24.47 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.55 | Penix | iateadonut: sends your queries to dpkg in a private message so we don't have to listen |
| 06:25.00 | Azar | ^shark_: same error messages? |
| 06:25.05 | Penix | iateadonut: /msg dpkg <foo> |
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| 06:25.50 | Penix | or just cruel |
| 06:26.07 | ^shark_ | Azar: yep while using aptitude but i am changing my sources.list and i will try again |
| 06:26.29 | streuner | huhlig: unstable? |
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| 06:26.44 | Azar | ^shark_: strange thing I see it is trying to hit Release... never had that |
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| 06:27.35 | jnguy | Hi guys. I'm trying to start gdm on my laptop, but all that happens is the screen changes colors in very weird ways |
| 06:27.40 | Azar | this one is strange, I never seen a "Release" line on your sources: Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release |
| 06:27.41 | jnguy | it kinda just fades in and out. |
| 06:27.53 | ^shark_ | Azar: yesterday i configured ipsec and disabled ICMP for my kernel, could this be causing the problem? |
| 06:27.59 | huhlig | streuner, stable |
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| 06:28.20 | Azar | ^shark_: it might be.. but why looking for Release? |
| 06:28.51 | ^shark_ | Azar: totally no idea! |
| 06:28.53 | Azar | ^shark_: maybe your configurations mentions it? |
| 06:29.15 | jim | rndn: hmm? |
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| 06:30.15 | rndn | looked at the templates |
| 06:30.16 | Azar | at mister streuner too |
| 06:30.24 | ^shark_ | Azar: which configuration would you be meaning? |
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| 06:30.30 | rndn | demos.. did you design the whole system? |
| 06:30.51 | rndn | sorry I had to run a while back -- a computer was alarming |
| 06:31.00 | Azar | ^shark_: your ipsec an others, give them an eye, temp reverse them see if that was the cause |
| 06:31.08 | rndn | turns out it was a beep command I killed, and it didn't send the stop signal to the sound card I guess. :) |
| 06:31.28 | jnguy | any ideas? |
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| 06:31.51 | jnguy | Xorg log seems to think it started. |
| 06:31.59 | jnguy | I suspect a driver issue. |
| 06:32.01 | rndn | so, how can I keep all traffic to a network on localhost -- to prevent it from leaving the computer |
| 06:32.02 | streuner | Azar: what does jim and me have in common? |
| 06:32.03 | Azar | jnguy: I never used a .dm.. maybe someone else who does |
| 06:32.11 | rndn | route it to the lo device? |
| 06:32.11 | jnguy | .dm? |
| 06:32.19 | jnguy | oh |
| 06:32.20 | Azar | streuner: bows, hats off, and reverences from me |
| 06:32.22 | jim | I see red when someone says jim? |
| 06:32.24 | jnguy | I can't start x either. |
| 06:32.34 | rndn | does it make you angry for us to use your name? :) |
| 06:32.41 | Azar | bad eyesight then |
| 06:32.45 | jim | no, I just see red :) |
| 06:33.08 | Azar | bloody red? |
| 06:33.20 | jim | rndn so did you look at the templating demo? |
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| 06:33.35 | Azar | streuner: in fact, I have no idea who jim is |
| 06:33.49 | jim | meetoo! |
| 06:33.56 | rndn | jim, a few of the examples so far, and probably more later. It's interesting. |
| 06:33.57 | streuner | haha |
| 06:34.05 | rndn | what involvement do you hvae with the project? |
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| 06:34.25 | streuner | jim: ask other, they will tell you :-P |
| 06:34.34 | jim | !jim |
| 06:34.34 | dpkg | you are probably jim |
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| 06:34.56 | jnguy | anyone else? |
| 06:34.59 | jim | that's no help! |
| 06:35.20 | jnguy | this happenend after a dist-upgrade... |
| 06:35.21 | rndn | okay, so I did route add -net a.b.c.0 ... 255.255.255.0 gw 127.0.0.1 lo .. I'm trying to prevent any packets destined for a.b.c.* to stay on the local machine -- because my router will send them out to the net |
| 06:35.30 | jnguy | I should've read the release notes more carefully. |
| 06:35.53 | rndn | that is, my lan is a 192.168 address, but I'm setting up a new server with some IPs which are out on the internet right now -- so I want to trap them in this system |
| 06:36.07 | rndn | does jim play the guitar? |
| 06:36.21 | jim | used to |
| 06:36.24 | JW | I need to remove some packages that I just installed but I've lost track of which ones it was. Is there any way for me to list recently installed packages by date? |
| 06:36.39 | JW | or like sorted by most-recent? |
| 06:36.43 | streuner | JW: dpkg.log? |
| 06:36.59 | jim | I play bass now |
| 06:37.12 | jnguy | its so weird, it just fades in and out. |
| 06:37.18 | JW | streuner: never realized that did that |
| 06:37.20 | rndn | jw: bdh.voyager.com/pkgtimes |
| 06:37.23 | rndn | http |
| 06:37.34 | rndn | lemme know when to delete it |
| 06:37.50 | JW | rndn: got it |
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| 06:38.12 | jnguy | update... I can login. |
| 06:38.15 | jnguy | I just can't see anything. |
| 06:38.55 | rndn | jim, I'm using a system like: <.if eq(a,b) {true text} {false text}.> |
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| 06:39.38 | rndn | <foreach a b c d {this will display 4 times: <.1.>}.> |
| 06:40.05 | rndn | in the future I might remove the embedded nature of the tags as it makes some things more difficult |
| 06:40.15 | jim | openacs templating has something like a foreach, for lists and for database rows |
| 06:40.38 | rndn | it looks nice enough, jim |
| 06:40.45 | jnguy | combination bottle? |
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| 06:41.42 | jim | it's a bottle opener... it's an eye opener... it's both combined! (don't use the eye side for bottles tho, might scratch the glass) |
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| 06:41.55 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 06:42.21 | jnguy | jim: ahh. |
| 06:42.34 | jnguy | I read that as you were giving me a combination bottle |
| 06:42.39 | jnguy | AND eye opener |
| 06:42.51 | mynullvoid | can I change the firefox menu font size? I can only get the setting for the page content font size but not the menu font size |
| 06:43.36 | rndn | I did a few for commands.. I'm not totally happy with it |
| 06:43.54 | streuner | mynullvoid: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 06:44.25 | JW | is there anywhere that a list of currently-installed packages is kept? if so I'd like to diff it against yesterday's backups |
| 06:44.45 | rndn | <.forl list=LISTVAR str="Entry at offset <.LI.> is '<.LV.>'".> |
| 06:45.00 | iateadonut | what's with icedove and iceweasel? |
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| 06:45.17 | Azar | iateadonut: what's with them? |
| 06:45.21 | streuner | or iceape |
| 06:45.34 | iateadonut | they're based on mozilla. i've never seen them before i installed debian. |
| 06:45.41 | iateadonut | are they made by debian? |
| 06:45.52 | streuner | !iceweasel |
| 06:45.53 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 06:46.16 | iateadonut | !why iceweasel |
| 06:46.16 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information. |
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| 06:46.26 | DarenM | mynullvoid> check this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168504 |
| 06:46.26 | rndn | when you display a variable in vhtml (that's what we called it), it might be a string, a function call, or some more embedded vhtml which will be parsed and executed |
| 06:46.29 | jim | <ul> <list name="listvar"><li>@listvar.item@</list> </ul> |
| 06:46.33 | rndn | or ints, floats, etc. |
| 06:46.37 | ferret_0567_ | how do you setup a bridge like br0 in Debian's /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:46.40 | DarenM | mynullvoid> and this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=503508 |
| 06:46.51 | ferret_0567_ | iface br0 inet (dhcp|static) |
| 06:47.00 | streuner | DarenM: How about to install ubuntu? |
| 06:47.09 | Azar | the dreaded floats as terrible as the bathroom horrors |
| 06:47.15 | ferret_0567_ | <address...netmask...gateway, etc...> |
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| 06:47.28 | ferret_0567_ | bridge_ports eth0 eth2 ethN |
| 06:47.29 | ferret_0567_ | ? |
| 06:47.38 | rndn | yeah -- that's good. I do like the non-embedded approach and should sometime support it (or switch to another development platform, like openacs for example) |
| 06:47.47 | DarenM | streuner> what? |
| 06:48.09 | streuner | DarenM: what does ubuntu problems have to do with Debian? |
| 06:48.20 | DarenM | streuner> because ubuntu is debian... |
| 06:48.21 | rndn | why do you parse it once to expand the @lala@ to other code? |
| 06:48.26 | ferret_0567_ | I see mentions of bridge_ports on the net', but it's not in interfaces(5) |
| 06:48.36 | Azar | DarenM: wrong |
| 06:48.42 | streuner | DarenM: DOH |
| 06:48.43 | DarenM | Azar> they are similair enough.. |
| 06:48.56 | Azar | DarenM: that does not make it "same" |
| 06:48.59 | JW | rndn: is there anywhere that a list (a single file) of currently-installed packages is kept? if so I'd like to diff it against yesterday's backups |
| 06:49.08 | ferret_0567_ | is what I have OK (before I restart my network interfaces...I have SSH running; and I don't want to loose it...) |
| 06:49.11 | DarenM | Azar> for the purposes of changes fonts it does. |
| 06:49.27 | cobol | i use both debian and ubuntu |
| 06:49.32 | sep | DarenM, if we should support _everything_ that was similar to debian we'd be quite a busy channel- |
| 06:49.35 | cobol | i can't really tell the difference on the desktop |
| 06:49.37 | rndn | jw, someone mentioned something earlier.. right after you asked |
| 06:49.39 | cobol | i def can on the server |
| 06:49.44 | DarenM | ubuntu forums can easily solve many debian issues because it is based off of debian |
| 06:49.50 | JW | rndn: sorry I guess I missed it |
| 06:49.53 | rndn | np |
| 06:49.55 | jim | DarenM: actually they're not as similar as you might think... ubuntu compiles the packages, and alters them |
| 06:50.20 | streuner | jim: DOH |
| 06:50.25 | Azar | DarenM: why not try to find real Debian documentation instead of asking on ubuntu forums? |
| 06:50.32 | sep | DarenM, besides there is a perfectly working #ubuntu channel why not use it ? |
| 06:50.38 | DarenM | jim> i have an ubuntu box on my right and am currently on my debian box nearly everything i do for both is the same. |
| 06:50.44 | mynullvoid | thanks for the help |
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| 06:50.51 | ferret_0567_ | ah, it seems OK |
| 06:51.02 | jim | also the packaging system itself, (1) ubuntu is free to alter that, and (2) the version of the packaging tools are generally not the same as those in debian stable |
| 06:51.07 | ferret_0567_ | it's mentioned on howtoforge, as well |
| 06:51.15 | ferret_0567_ | also there is bridge_stp |
| 06:51.15 | JW | rndn: maybe I'm really dumb but I don't see it. Are you talking about where someone said "dpkg.log" ? |
| 06:51.21 | rndn | yeah |
| 06:51.23 | DarenM | Azar> I've never asked one question on ubuntu forums. don't assume it makes an ass outta you and me. |
| 06:51.26 | JW | oh ok |
| 06:51.34 | rndn | good no? |
| 06:51.55 | cobol | actually |
| 06:51.58 | cobol | the ubuntu forums ppl |
| 06:51.59 | sep | DarenM, and since the people that support both ubuntu and debian probably is in both channels it's only sane to ask in the most apropriate forum. |
| 06:52.03 | cobol | are incredible helpful for debian, too |
| 06:52.08 | cobol | at the user level, |
| 06:52.09 | DarenM | sep> I was helping someone else that asked a question about fonts, and i thought i found something online that could help him that happened to be mentioned int he ubuntu forums. |
| 06:52.13 | cobol | the solutions are usually near-identical |
| 06:52.16 | Azar | DarenM: try learn from Debian specific manuals rather: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
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| 06:52.23 | DarenM | sep> I never "asked" anything. |
| 06:52.23 | jim | rndn: well the @foo@ expand to value of the variable foo |
| 06:52.40 | ferret_0567_ | should I use STP mode on a Linux bridge on my desktop (I use a bridge so I can connect my laptop to my desktop through ethernet and get access to the rest of the network) if my OpenWRT-based router also has a Linux bridge running on it? |
| 06:52.45 | DarenM | Azar> i think your misunderstanding what is going on here. I never asked anything.. |
| 06:52.55 | rndn | I mean.. the compiled template |
| 06:53.04 | jim | oh, I' |
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| 06:53.11 | Azar | DarenM: that makes it worse, taking examples from ubuntu and advising other new Debian users |
| 06:53.12 | DarenM | Azar> I was simply trying to guide someone else. and if the ubuntu forums has what he needs then I sure as fuck will link him there. |
| 06:53.13 | jim | m not totally sure why those are there |
| 06:53.15 | rndn | I guess the compilation step finds errors and stuff |
| 06:53.17 | ferret_0567_ | I have a 100ft. long Ethernet cable going to my OpenWRT-based router, and a short 7ft. crossover cable to go to my laptop |
| 06:53.26 | possie | anyone have a clue what this means: http://pastebin.com/mc2e262f |
| 06:53.33 | jim | that's been there since before acs went to openacs |
| 06:53.45 | DarenM | DarenM> I'd direct someone to www.powerpuffgirls.com if i thought it would help. |
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| 06:53.55 | DarenM | Azar> *** |
| 06:53.58 | jim | I guess it's useful to see what everything expands to |
| 06:54.39 | rndn | it can error check and reduce runtime parsing time if it's significant |
| 06:54.45 | streuner | DarenM: did you ever use wikipedia.org? |
| 06:54.46 | rndn | if it's pre-compiled, that is |
| 06:54.50 | DarenM | Azar> there have been hundreds of times people point other people to tutorials for different OS's to provide guidance |
| 06:54.59 | DarenM | streuner> all the time. |
| 06:55.34 | Azar | DarenM: yes because this is a double-gain: people learn how to read, and follow the correct ways to administer Debian |
| 06:55.54 | iateadonut | !the best command line web browser |
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| 06:56.09 | streuner | DarenM: "based on Debian" isnt "they are the same" |
| 06:56.14 | jim | !best |
| 06:56.14 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 06:56.31 | Azar | iateadonut: links2 |
| 06:56.40 | pabs3 | is there any tool that can grab text from a gtk button, label or other widget? |
| 06:56.46 | iateadonut | thanks, azar. |
| 06:56.52 | cobol | i wonder if these same arguments came up when Xandros came about. seems to me the difference is that ubuntu became incredibly successful, and Xandros didn't |
| 06:57.39 | iateadonut | does anyone know of a command line browser that accepts java-script or java or anything like that? |
| 06:57.58 | Azar | success... I prefer Debian's quality, stability, reliability to commerciall success |
| 06:58.02 | liable | bah, just when i want to install on my new toy, xorg has broken depends. |
| 06:58.15 | Azar | liable: what toy? :) |
| 06:58.34 | streuner | liable: ever tried aptitude? :-) |
| 06:58.36 | cobol | Azar: yes, but average computer users have no appreciation for most of those beyond "it starts everytime and my web browser works fine." |
| 06:58.46 | cobol | therefore, it's completely irrelevant if debian is the better distro or not |
| 06:58.48 | cobol | it definitely is |
| 06:58.52 | liable | Azar: i saw an eeepc for the first time yesterday, and then saw all the hardware hacks people are doing on the, and had to buy one :) |
| 06:58.53 | cobol | but it doesn;t meet their needs in the slightest |
| 06:58.59 | cobol | so let ubuntu have those users |
| 06:59.05 | cobol | they're better with them |
| 06:59.08 | Azar | cobol: that might be both, fortunate and unfortunate |
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| 06:59.29 | cobol | just be glad it's debian based, not some god-awful RPM thing or whatnot |
| 07:00.00 | Azar | cobol: in a way I am happy Debian is protected from malicious commercial greed |
| 07:00.03 | liable | streuner: what is this strange new program of which you speak? :P |
| 07:00.26 | jim | are you aware there are rpm-based dists that use apt-get |
| 07:00.29 | streuner | hm, makes sense then :-P |
| 07:00.33 | Azar | liable: ahhhh "the" eepc toy |
| 07:00.56 | iateadonut | wow, azar, links2 really is the best cli browser. |
| 07:00.57 | cobol | cobol: it's nice because it can evolve without being tampered with. but in the end, i'm completely agnostic about operating systems. i use whatever works best for the purpose. |
| 07:00.57 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 07:01.12 | cobol | ... |
| 07:01.15 | snacky | snacky: good point |
| 07:01.16 | cobol | ***Azar |
| 07:01.18 | Azar | iateadonut: indeed it steals one's heard on a valentine day |
| 07:01.26 | DarenM | cobol> loli did same |
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| 07:02.09 | streuner | liable: no, only aptitude is able to resolve that problem in sid... |
| 07:02.30 | Azar | heart* |
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| 07:03.23 | iateadonut | has anyone built a desktop system based on php? so you could use links2 to control your OS from the command line? |
| 07:03.35 | liable | streuner: well, i'll get around it, i just felt like going wah! |
| 07:03.38 | rndn | hmm.. networking start will automatically add routes |
| 07:03.52 | Azar | iateadonut: huh? use a term window for it |
| 07:03.53 | iateadonut | ummm... kind of like a cli gui, i guess. |
| 07:04.02 | rndn | how can I get it to add an IP address (eth0:1) but no route? |
| 07:04.26 | cobol | mdn: unplug your network cable :) |
| 07:04.27 | cobol | j/k |
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| 07:04.31 | iateadonut | like, my homepage would have a link to all my applications, so if i wanted to use mplayer without using the command line i could just click on the link and it would bring me there. |
| 07:04.32 | The_Dr | !ppc |
| 07:04.32 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 07:05.06 | iateadonut | i think you could make a pretty easy to use and simple OS like that. but i'm sure someone's done it. |
| 07:05.44 | up_the_irons | hey all, i'm trying to make a new initrd, but I get the following error |
| 07:05.46 | up_the_irons | find: /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-xen0/kernel/drivers/md: No such file or directory |
| 07:05.46 | up_the_irons | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/xen02-root: Kernel does not support LVM |
| 07:05.53 | Azar | ..on another note, I am so happy that I will be having my first IBM so long dreamed of, my work is changing all terminals and all are IBM machines !!! not new but hey, I don't need a new one |
| 07:05.57 | up_the_irons | but that's b/c my kernel has md compiled in, not as a module |
| 07:06.17 | up_the_irons | do i still need an initrd? It won't mount the root |
| 07:08.13 | up_the_irons | this is on Etch, btw |
| 07:08.50 | Azar | iateadonut: I did not understand what you are saying but if you want a gui-less system you can: I only use X with a wallpaper, openbox as a wm |
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| 07:10.59 | ManuP | is there a way to use the screen of an other pc (connected through lan) via lan to get a second desktop? so as you would connect two monitors at one card. |
| 07:11.16 | manu_hack | what's the xkboption for using the window key as alt key? |
| 07:11.18 | streuner | liable: using GNOME? |
| 07:11.39 | sco50000 | ManuP: i'm pretty sure it's possible, i think synergy can do that |
| 07:11.43 | damion | can someone help me set up fluxbox on debian? i dont like gnome. |
| 07:11.55 | ManuP | sco50000, it works over lan? |
| 07:12.06 | damion | i've already downloaded fluxbox and xdm from synaptic |
| 07:12.08 | sco50000 | ManuP: i'm pretty sure that's what it's for |
| 07:12.11 | streuner | damion: flux usually comes very well configured by default in Debian... |
| 07:12.20 | damion | how do i start it? |
| 07:12.46 | Azar | right click on the screen? |
| 07:12.50 | streuner | damion: read /usr/share/doc/fluxbox/README.Debian |
| 07:13.08 | sco50000 | damion: once you install it, it should be in your gdm/kdm Sessions menu |
| 07:13.32 | ManuP | sco50000, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ syays, you share mouse and keyboard, but not screens. |
| 07:14.02 | up_the_irons | man, i can't find the LVM option under kernel configuration (menuconfig). Does anyone happen to know where it is? |
| 07:14.07 | sco50000 | ManuP: whatever, i just took a wild stab at a name i had heard in the past :P |
| 07:14.26 | up_the_irons | "Multi-device support (RAID and LVM)" doesn't actually have it under the submenu |
| 07:14.41 | ^shark_ | Azar: i disabled deb-src for security updates and now everything is working well |
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| 07:14.58 | damion | the readme file tells me nothing |
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| 07:15.00 | ManuP | sco50000, ^^ but thnaks. this program sounds very interesting too. it merges the clipboard of both systems... thats pretty cool :) |
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| 07:15.25 | Azar | ^shark_: hurray, I missed that stuff, indeed |
| 07:16.08 | entaro | halp! =) is there a way to log user connections? from which ip, username, actions? |
| 07:16.38 | Azar | entaro: it might be shown in the auth.log |
| 07:16.41 | streuner | damion: true :-), its not openbox..., just create ~/.xsession |
| 07:16.59 | entaro | Azar: tnx! |
| 07:16.59 | streuner | damion: and put there "exec fluxbox" |
| 07:17.35 | streuner | damion: and use "startx" then |
| 07:17.42 | damion | ok ill try that |
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| 07:17.49 | ^shark_ | Azar: i wonder why this was happening though! what is the defference between the deb-src and just the deb http |
| 07:18.29 | streuner | !popcon |
| 07:18.29 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 07:18.41 | damion | let me restart x |
| 07:18.43 | Azar | ^shark_: I guess deb-src looks at sources, while http looks direcly at repositories with actual packages |
| 07:18.52 | Azar | streuner: tarzeau in vacation? |
| 07:18.52 | iateadonut | azar, how do you install openbox? how can you startx without starting a window manager? |
| 07:19.22 | streuner | Azar: hehe, no he is more in #d-d active :-) |
| 07:19.29 | tarzeau | Azar: not anymore, but soon again :) |
| 07:19.32 | Azar | iateadonut: startx only starts the X window with nothing on it, but once there, right click will activate openbox menu |
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| 07:19.48 | Azar | ah, tarzeau, nice to say hello to you! |
| 07:20.03 | Azar | omg d-d!!! congrats! |
| 07:21.10 | streuner | Azar: whats the most time-killer for men? |
| 07:21.20 | Azar | iateadonut: so all I have is a cool wallpaper picture with nothing on it. My mom and dad don't know how to activate the openbox menu :) hehe |
| 07:21.49 | Azar | streuner: hmmmm hard to choose |
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| 07:22.35 | Pimochet | how do I configure the network card for a static ip instead of DHCP? |
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| 07:22.50 | jnguy[h] | How do I install an old version of a package? |
| 07:22.52 | streuner | Pimochet: interfaces |
| 07:23.07 | streuner | jnguy: dpkg -i <package> |
| 07:23.18 | Azar | Pimochet: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 07:23.28 | jnguy[h] | from apt? I don't have the .deb handy. |
| 07:23.47 | jnguy[h] | I remember doing it before, I just don't remember how. |
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| 07:24.51 | streuner | maybe you give us more details about, that wouldn't hurt |
| 07:25.11 | iateadonut | pimochet - there's a really simple gu thingie in system->networking |
| 07:25.15 | streuner | what version of Debian, what package... |
| 07:25.28 | Dipochet | iateadonut, this is a server config, no gui |
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| 07:25.39 | jnguy[h] | sid, I'm trying to roll back my i810 drivers. |
| 07:25.47 | ^shark_ | Azar: this is the way my source.list looks like now >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1834 |
| 07:26.13 | streuner | !be a man page barbie |
| 07:26.14 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner |
| 07:26.23 | jnguy[h] | got it |
| 07:26.26 | jnguy[h] | backports |
| 07:26.38 | Timo^ | Morning |
| 07:26.54 | Timo^ | anyone knows how to reconfigure x on debian sid |
| 07:26.59 | streuner | uh, you are running unstable and want use backports? |
| 07:27.04 | ^shark_ | Azar: although aptitude still tries to get Release.. |
| 07:27.14 | streuner | Timo^: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:28.07 | jnguy[h] | streuner: is that a terrible idea? |
| 07:28.14 | jnguy[h] | a dist-upgrade just completely hosed my system |
| 07:28.44 | streuner | jnguy: backports are written for etch/stable - NOT for unstable/sid |
| 07:29.14 | jnguy[h] | I really don't know what to do. I'm having a mild panic attack now. |
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| 07:29.51 | jnguy[h] | it thinks X is started, but I can't see anything. |
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| 07:33.31 | Azar | ^shark_: activate back the #deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 07:33.46 | Azar | leave comment on deb-src for security only |
| 07:33.56 | Timo^ | streuner : okay thanks for giving me the faq but i need to know if i can install kdm (reconfigre) on debian have inserted another graphic device and it isn't starting kdm. maybe you can tell me what to do next? |
| 07:34.08 | roler | I have dovecot on my server and someone or something keeps trying 1000's of login names and passwords - which always makes dovecot fail. I really need a way to prevent this (block these people automatically) or keep dovecot from crashing |
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| 07:34.42 | jnguy[h] | roler: iptables? |
| 07:35.04 | Azar | ^shark_: when did you installed Etch? when it was still a "testing" version? |
| 07:35.04 | ^shark_ | Azar: ok ! -- this is so important how? for installation of new packages? |
| 07:35.22 | roler | jnguy[h]: hmm |
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| 07:36.05 | ^shark_ | Azar: i installed it about a month ago and no i didnt configure apt at the installation prompts but rather just edited the sources.list file |
| 07:36.25 | ^shark_ | Azar: i have little bandwidth and i didnt want to take ages just installing etch |
| 07:36.36 | Timo^ | anyone ? |
| 07:36.49 | Azar | ^shark_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 07:37.02 | roler | jnguy[h]: is there an easy way of doing this? |
| 07:37.08 | jnguy[h] | idk |
| 07:37.25 | jnguy[h] | install iptables and block that specific ip address? |
| 07:38.12 | ^shark_ | Azar: thanks mate |
| 07:38.14 | Azar | ^shark_: ignore the non-US, it is obsolete, and aptitude works better than apt-get |
| 07:38.30 | Bushmills | roler: how many users have access to dovecot? |
| 07:38.38 | streuner | jnguy[h]: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:38.57 | roler | Bushmills: 4 or 5... i'd rather not just allow certain IP's though |
| 07:39.11 | jnguy[h] | 2.7-6 |
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| 07:39.31 | streuner | show us the whole output, not parts of it, please |
| 07:39.54 | Bushmills | roler: consider to bind all brute-forcable services to a vpn devices, and let the users, if small numbers - access those over vpn. |
| 07:40.10 | jnguy[h] | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:40.18 | jnguy[h] | (Its on another physical machine) |
| 07:40.41 | roler | Bushmills: very nice idea |
| 07:40.58 | streuner | jnguy[h]: so why do you have no ssh access to that box? |
| 07:41.22 | Azar | ^shark_: here it how it looks http://paste.debian.net/49066 |
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| 07:41.29 | jnguy[h] | I do, I just didn't know you wanted to whole output the first time. newbie mistake. |
| 07:42.01 | streuner | jnguy[h]: ok, did you try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" yet? |
| 07:42.57 | jnguy[h] | streuner: I haven't, but I'm trying now. |
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| 07:43.28 | jnguy[h] | still does it. |
| 07:43.53 | streuner | jnguy[h]: what kind of error? |
| 07:44.05 | ^shark_ | Azar: deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib is for kernel binary but why would you need it |
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| 07:44.34 | jnguy[h] | thats the weird thing |
| 07:44.37 | jnguy[h] | there are no errors |
| 07:44.44 | jnguy[h] | x is actually started |
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| 07:45.02 | jnguy[h] | if I type in username/pass I can hear activity. |
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| 07:45.16 | streuner | hear noises? ;-) |
| 07:45.24 | jnguy[h] | haha |
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| 07:45.58 | streuner | ok, just remove (x)dm and use startx |
| 07:45.59 | jnguy[h] | just in case its a hardware problem that just happen to start after I did a dist-upgrade, I'm going to boot into knoppix real quick. |
| 07:46.05 | jnguy[h] | startx doesn't work either. |
| 07:46.10 | Bushmills | jnguy[h]: maybe you can configure X to use VGA driver instead |
| 07:46.11 | streuner | uh |
| 07:46.14 | jnguy[h] | ah |
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| 07:46.23 | streuner | VESA |
| 07:46.24 | jnguy[h] | I tried vesa, but it didn't do anything. |
| 07:46.30 | jnguy[h] | :D |
| 07:46.30 | streuner | uh |
| 07:46.53 | streuner | no error, nothing? |
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| 07:47.16 | jnguy[h] | yep. |
| 07:47.18 | iateadonut | what is the best file manager? |
| 07:47.21 | Azar | ^shark_: just in case.. :) |
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| 07:47.40 | streuner | ok, just show us your x.log then |
| 07:47.51 | jnguy[h] | it looks like a hardware problem.. but knoppix confirms that X can start |
| 07:47.55 | jnguy[h] | sec. need to reboot. |
| 07:47.59 | Azar | ^shark_: that line does not affect security updates tho |
| 07:48.01 | jnguy[h] | thanks for your help. |
| 07:48.06 | Bushmills | iateadonut: the one with most beautiful colour scheme |
| 07:48.30 | streuner | jnguy[h]: did Knoppix use VESA or what? |
| 07:48.36 | Azar | iateadonut: the one that you like most.. |
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| 07:49.19 | iateadonut | azar: i'm looking for your opinions, not mine. |
| 07:49.29 | streuner | jnguy[h]: VESA is very limited..., you need to use some 800 (resolution) values, for example to use it |
| 07:49.32 | Bushmills | though, bash is quite a good file manager |
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| 07:49.47 | Azar | iateadonut: I use one that nobody here seems to like: openbox, I got used to it, I like it and never looked at another one |
| 07:50.12 | iateadonut | right. i installed openbox, but have to wait for a message from another office before i restart x |
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| 07:50.16 | Azar | iateadonut: the most popular seems fluxbox |
| 07:50.28 | iateadonut | file manager? |
| 07:50.37 | Bushmills | file manager? |
| 07:50.40 | Bushmills | window manager? |
| 07:50.45 | streuner | try gentoo :-) |
| 07:50.46 | Bushmills | *scratch* |
| 07:50.51 | Azar | Bushmills: window manager |
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| 07:50.58 | streuner | !info gentoo |
| 07:51.00 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.55-1.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 764 kB, Installed size: 2276 kB |
| 07:51.29 | iateadonut | azar, what's your favorite file manager. |
| 07:51.35 | streuner | norton clones are just the best ™ |
| 07:51.44 | Azar | iateadonut: the one I actually use :) |
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| 07:52.07 | Bushmills | openbox? |
| 07:52.58 | Azar | iateadonut: read and compare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxbox with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox |
| 07:53.00 | jnguy[h] | I didn't know the resolution limits on vesa, I'm going to try that in a second. |
| 07:53.02 | Timo^ | okay. |
| 07:53.08 | Timo^ | x is running again :-) |
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| 07:53.41 | Timo^ | anyone knows if i can install KDE 4.0.1 on debian sid just from apt of .deb package ? |
| 07:53.57 | streuner | !kde4 |
| 07:53.57 | dpkg | i guess kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 07:54.18 | iateadonut | !lenny |
| 07:54.18 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
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| 07:54.49 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:54.57 | godling | Is there a way to force the irq of an integrated device? |
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| 07:55.55 | Azar | dimir! :) |
| 07:56.46 | dimir | Azar: \o/ |
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| 07:56.54 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 07:57.24 | lsemple | my kde startup splash does not work when I log on |
| 07:57.37 | lsemple | but when I use the "test" feature in kcontrol to test a kde splash it works |
| 07:57.45 | lsemple | all I see when I log on is a blue box |
| 07:57.53 | lsemple | anyone know how to fix this ? |
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| 07:58.28 | streuner | godling: what for? |
| 07:58.35 | Nazcafan | For some reason, the gimp and vlc disappeared of my gnome "Apps" menu (this does not happen in a newly created account on the same machine). Any clue about getting them back again ? |
| 07:59.48 | Azar | dissapearing apps only happened to me while I was trying sid |
| 07:59.52 | godling | streuner: good question, and it's probably the wrong approach to my problem to try and change it. |
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| 08:00.14 | Nazcafan | Azar: I am using testing |
| 08:00.27 | Nazcafan | Azar: I am using a 3 year old testing box |
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| 08:00.33 | maligor | Nazcafan, if it's' gnome, try right clicking on the foot-menu and Edit Menus |
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| 08:00.54 | streuner | godling: you could alter the behavior of the kernel to use IRQ's |
| 08:00.57 | Nazcafan | maligor: they are not available in there either |
| 08:01.06 | godling | streuner: iwl4965 module makes ksoftirq/d go batshit sometimes |
| 08:01.22 | godling | I wish I knew what was going on. |
| 08:01.27 | maligor | Nazcafan, maybe gnome is confused, heh |
| 08:01.35 | godling | It was working great the other night. |
| 08:01.49 | Nazcafan | maligor: yeah, but there is no way I use kde or fluxbox instead |
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| 08:02.03 | iateadonut | well, openbox loads up fast. |
| 08:02.17 | Timo^ | hmm. #debian-kde isn't responding.. |
| 08:02.20 | maligor | you can always remove your dot gnome directories |
| 08:02.36 | iateadonut | one problem i've noticed already - how do you know when you've gotten a new msn message? |
| 08:02.38 | maligor | and possibly dot gconf |
| 08:02.40 | Nazcafan | maligor: that sounds a little overkill, don't you think ? |
| 08:02.55 | iateadonut | can you get a little gaim icon in the corner or anything like that? |
| 08:02.59 | Timo^ | can anyone tell me if there is another way to install kde 4.0.1 on debian sid then install it from source. |
| 08:03.02 | lsemple | damn my kde splash doesnt work anymore |
| 08:03.07 | lsemple | it wont fix |
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| 08:03.29 | Azar | iateadonut: there are no icons if you don't have a desktop like gnome or kde... I guess |
| 08:04.02 | jnguy[h] | hm |
| 08:04.02 | iateadonut | so, is there a way for it to notify you when you have a new msn message? |
| 08:04.02 | jnguy[h] | weird |
| 08:04.14 | maligor | Timo^, experimental maybe? |
| 08:04.14 | jnguy[h] | I tried some primative values for vesa, but it still wouldn't start |
| 08:04.36 | Azar | iateadonut: so I guess if you want to use a small wm only, you gotta check manually |
| 08:04.39 | jnguy[h] | streuner: How much xorg do you want to see? |
| 08:04.40 | iateadonut | hmmm... |
| 08:04.44 | Azar | iateadonut: dunno I never use a messenger |
| 08:04.50 | maligor | Timo^, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 08:04.55 | jnguy[h] | Could it be my frame buffer |
| 08:05.01 | iateadonut | i bet not. there's got to be a way to do it. there's a way to put a clock up, right? |
| 08:05.05 | Timo^ | thanks |
| 08:05.07 | jnguy[h] | ? text on tty doesn't look great. |
| 08:05.13 | iateadonut | i'll let you know if i figure it out. |
| 08:05.17 | Azar | iateadonut: you "can" use openbox together with a full gui desktop |
| 08:05.23 | krinns | hey |
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| 08:05.37 | krinns | guys am seeing my machine average load is 8.0 8.04 9.0 |
| 08:05.39 | Azar | iateadonut: I use gkrellm for clock |
| 08:05.44 | streuner | jnguy[h]: if Knoppix works, Debian should too |
| 08:05.52 | krinns | is it mean my machine in running under load |
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| 08:06.11 | jnguy[h] | yeah, I know it was the dist-upgrade. I just don't know what exactly. |
| 08:06.17 | iateadonut | what's the hotkey that brings up a command line - is there a default one? |
| 08:06.19 | Azar | iateadonut: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
| 08:06.24 | maligor | Timo^, it's incredibly flaky still too |
| 08:06.52 | Azar | iateadonut: on openbox, right click and pick Xshells >xterm |
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| 08:07.30 | iateadonut | this looks a lot like fluxbox. is it as configurable as fluxbox? why do you like it better than fluxbox? |
| 08:07.30 | godling | Does anyone have an Intel 4965 AGN card? |
| 08:07.53 | Azar | iateadonut: don't know? its simplicity maybe |
| 08:08.05 | iateadonut | what is your profession, azar? |
| 08:08.47 | Azar | iateadonut: try open an xterm and use CTRL with right click to size the font size if it is too small |
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| 08:09.59 | iateadonut | that's the same terminal as puppy linux. |
| 08:10.27 | Azar | iateadonut: try gkrellm too :) |
| 08:10.34 | iateadonut | i did. |
| 08:10.52 | iateadonut | it's not exactly what i need, though i like it. i need five clocks for different time zones. |
| 08:11.11 | Nyle | Azar: hi |
| 08:11.12 | iateadonut | or i guess i could learn to tell time, but sometimes daylight standard times get to me. |
| 08:11.20 | Azar | meister Nyle! :) |
| 08:11.38 | iateadonut | Azar, Nyle, can i ask you two, what is your profession? |
| 08:11.40 | Nyle | meister hehe |
| 08:11.46 | Nyle | well |
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| 08:11.55 | Nyle | I hate life |
| 08:11.56 | Azar | iateadonut: we are both pizzaman |
| 08:12.00 | Nyle | sooo |
| 08:12.11 | iateadonut | you're a newspaper reporter? |
| 08:12.12 | Nyle | I do only what i need to do in order to barely make in life |
| 08:12.16 | Nyle | no |
| 08:12.20 | Azar | Nyle: get some sex sometimes, it helps |
| 08:12.21 | Nyle | I don't like to work |
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| 08:12.24 | iateadonut | i figured since you hate life. |
| 08:12.31 | Nyle | so I deliver pizza |
| 08:12.34 | Nyle | I have no ambition in life |
| 08:12.37 | Nyle | no goals |
| 08:12.38 | Nyle | nothing |
| 08:12.52 | iateadonut | but it seems like you know a lot about debian? |
| 08:12.52 | Nyle | just need a guitar and weed and my woman |
| 08:12.54 | Nyle | thas it |
| 08:12.56 | Azar | Nyle: looks like you are the second generation baby boomer |
| 08:12.56 | barnum | how do you get an MCSE off your porch? |
| 08:12.59 | debian___ | Nyle: pizza |
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| 08:13.09 | debian___ | Email me one? |
| 08:13.19 | barnum | pay for the damn pizza |
| 08:13.20 | Nyle | but I have a job interview in 8 hours |
| 08:13.25 | iateadonut | neither of you are in computers? seriously? |
| 08:13.26 | Nyle | IT admin of a big company |
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| 08:13.32 | Azar | Nyle: cool :) |
| 08:13.32 | Nyle | lets hope it goes well |
| 08:13.45 | Azar | iateadonut: just as a hobby.. |
| 08:13.47 | debian___ | Nyle: Does they use debian? |
| 08:13.49 | Nyle | iateadonut: not me either |
| 08:13.50 | Nyle | just a hobby |
| 08:14.04 | Nyle | I like computers but I don't really know much |
| 08:14.08 | Nyle | it may seem like I do |
| 08:14.14 | Nyle | but I don't really know anything at all |
| 08:14.49 | iateadonut | ah. so if someone was setting up a string of servers for a marketing project for a logistics company, you couldn't give them any sound advice. |
| 08:15.06 | Azar | iateadonut: I was joking I work in a obscure accounting office |
| 08:15.06 | Nyle | I absolutely could. |
| 08:15.36 | Azar | Nyle could, not me, he is like Debian Sid, breaks computers |
| 08:15.37 | Nyle | Of course... I would be wrong, but I could give them sound advice. |
| 08:15.42 | Nyle | :) |
| 08:15.45 | iateadonut | and how much does that advice cost per hour? |
| 08:16.01 | Nyle | I charge whatever I want from the type of custoemr it is |
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| 08:16.16 | Nyle | if i go to a poor household and i see they don't make much money |
| 08:16.18 | Nyle | I charge less |
| 08:16.23 | iateadonut | please email me. my spam address is secretlydead at yahoo dot com |
| 08:16.24 | Nyle | if i go to manhattan to a rich jew house |
| 08:16.26 | Nyle | I charge a lot |
| 08:16.29 | Nyle | it just depends |
| 08:16.38 | Nyle | and with business, you have to work out contracts |
| 08:16.40 | Nyle | its not an hourly thing |
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| 08:17.44 | Timo^ | what to do when install is compleet and it says : There are now 44 updates [-97]. |
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| 08:17.58 | Nyle | Timo^: update && upgrade |
| 08:18.05 | Nyle | if you don't have those alias in bash |
| 08:18.08 | Azar | Timo^: aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 08:18.22 | bush | am i the only one who uses apt-get? |
| 08:18.30 | jelly-home | yum. |
| 08:18.31 | Nyle | yo ushoudl aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade (if on etch, use aptitude dist-upgrade) |
| 08:18.36 | Azar | Timo^: this IF your sources are set up correctly |
| 08:18.51 | Azar | good morning mister jelly-home |
| 08:18.53 | debian___ | Nyle: Would that give me lenny/sid? |
| 08:18.59 | Nyle | oops |
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| 08:19.04 | Nyle | no wait |
| 08:19.05 | Nyle | im right |
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| 08:19.34 | Nyle | yeh etch is dist-upgrade and now dist-upgrade has been replaced by full-upgrae, yet just upgrade aliases to full-upgrade anyway |
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| 08:19.53 | Nyle | debian___: you don't want lenny/sid |
| 08:19.55 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 08:19.55 | dpkg | somebody said dnuts was Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 08:19.59 | Azar | bush: it looks like you are behind, yes |
| 08:20.01 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 08:20.01 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 08:20.04 | Nyle | have fun. |
| 08:20.34 | debian___ | Nyle: what does aptitude ¤ dist-upgrade do? |
| 08:21.01 | Nyle | debian___: if you didn't have the internet, how would you look up this information? |
| 08:21.02 | jnguy[h] | is there some way if I can use a gui without X? I'm trying to figure out if its a problem with X or if its a problem with my system. |
| 08:21.13 | debian___ | Nyle: Ask you? |
| 08:21.24 | Nyle | (hint: read the manual page of aptitude) |
| 08:21.46 | debian___ | Nyle: So you dont know? |
| 08:21.53 | Nyle | debian___: you woudn't have me without the internet either. |
| 08:22.07 | Nyle | debian___: whatever makes you feel better. I'm not going to spoofeed you. |
| 08:22.10 | bush | debian___: man aptitude |
| 08:22.42 | jnguy[h] | any ideas? |
| 08:22.52 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: yes, and no |
| 08:22.59 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: you can use xclients on a remote Xserver |
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| 08:23.14 | Nyle | but you can't use xclients _without_ a server they can connect to. |
| 08:23.21 | jnguy[h] | thats easy |
| 08:23.21 | Timo^ | ok guys when restarting kdm (just installed kde4.0.1 experimental) it gives this lines.: |
| 08:23.22 | Timo^ | ks-main1:/home/user# /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 08:23.22 | Timo^ | Warning: --old-kde does not end with /share/config. Might wreak havoc. |
| 08:23.23 | Nyle | per the X window system architechture |
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| 08:23.32 | jnguy[h] | I have a server running |
| 08:23.39 | jnguy[h] | I just can't see it via my laptop lcd |
| 08:23.41 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 08:23.49 | Timo^ | hmm.. what to do ? |
| 08:23.50 | jnguy[h] | ssh -X? |
| 08:23.52 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: what is your current etup |
| 08:24.08 | jnguy[h] | which aspect? |
| 08:24.15 | Azar | Timo^: how come --old kde? |
| 08:24.18 | jnguy[h] | I can run glxgears with forwarding |
| 08:24.37 | jnguy[h] | with forwarding, does it uses remote hardware right... |
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| 08:24.56 | Nyle | I have a desktop with Xserver. I have a laptop that has a full kde installation and other tools. I just ssh -X laptop, launch kicker, and have a panel for my laptop so i can use its apps on my desktop |
| 08:25.10 | Timo^ | Azar : don't know just installed latest kde4.0.1 experimental from the apt experimental sources |
| 08:25.16 | jnguy[h] | interesting |
| 08:25.23 | Azar | Timo^: we do not know what you actually did: you installed, or you upgraded Debian? |
| 08:25.24 | Timo^ | and did a aptitude update / upgrade |
| 08:25.55 | Timo^ | i did aptitude update / upgrade |
| 08:25.57 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: sometimes I start A NEW Xserver in :1 (if :0 is busy) and use -broadcast *or query the laptop manuall* for XDMCP |
| 08:26.00 | Azar | Timo^: you should not use packages from experimental, if you use Debian Etch use the packages from Etch repositories |
| 08:26.16 | Timo^ | Azar : i am using sid |
| 08:26.31 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: I can have my Xserver :0 running my local desktop computer, and Xserver :1 running on my local desktop, but getting the ENTIRE desktop from laptop over the network |
| 08:26.36 | Azar | Timo^: ah I see, well... I don't use sid for the exact issues... it breaks |
| 08:26.42 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: so.. what exactly is your setup ? |
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| 08:26.56 | Timo^ | okay. |
| 08:27.01 | jnguy[h] | err. X is supposed to run on :0 |
| 08:27.06 | jnguy[h] | I don't do any fancy forwarding. |
| 08:27.06 | Nyle | I use sid |
| 08:27.10 | jnguy[h] | me too. |
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| 08:27.19 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: X can run on any display you want it to |
| 08:27.28 | Nyle | you just tell your X clients (apps) to connect to that display |
| 08:27.32 | jnguy[h] | I mean my X is supposed to run on :0 |
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| 08:27.45 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: maye you should read about X window system on wikipedian |
| 08:27.46 | Dipochet | how do I configure ntpd? |
| 08:27.47 | jnguy[h] | the x config is pretty default, I think |
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| 08:27.50 | Nyle | !ntpd |
| 08:27.53 | Nyle | !ntp |
| 08:27.53 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 08:28.16 | Timo^ | but what to do when this lines are display : Warning: --old-kde does not end with /share/config. Might wreak havoc. |
| 08:28.20 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:28.31 | Nyle | !listkeys ntp |
| 08:28.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntp' by key (15 of 21): #debian ntp ;; #debian ntpdate ;; _default nntp ;; _default ntp ;; _default sntp ;; nntp ;; ntp ;; ntp server ;; ntpasswd ;; ntpl ;; openoffice-fontproblems ;; potentpatents ;; sntp ;; xntp ;; xntpd. |
| 08:28.44 | Nyle | !ntp server |
| 08:28.44 | dpkg | www.ntp.org has a large list of public time servers |
| 08:28.51 | jnguy[h] | gahhh |
| 08:29.08 | Timo^ | now it gives black screen when i login into x |
| 08:29.20 | jnguy[h] | I've never felt so lost in a linux problem. |
| 08:29.33 | jnguy[h] | it streams hardware error, as X doesn't complain, I can run remote x clients |
| 08:29.33 | Nyle | !wayttd jnguy[h] |
| 08:29.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jnguy[h]? |
| 08:29.50 | jnguy[h] | trying to get X to work locally. |
| 08:29.55 | Nyle | !ask |
| 08:29.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:30.05 | jnguy[h] | when I do start x, the screen goes white, slowly fades to blue then fades to another color |
| 08:30.06 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: try that, help us to help you. |
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| 08:30.29 | jnguy[h] | if I just login anyways, it'll work, I just can't see anything. |
| 08:30.46 | debian___ | Nyle: have you found the answer+ |
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| 08:31.05 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: video card? driver? xorg.conf? /Xorg.0.log? |
| 08:31.11 | debian___ | And it is spelled spoonfeed |
| 08:31.13 | Nyle | can't help you without details buddy |
| 08:31.19 | Azar | yeah like we supposed to guess |
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| 08:31.25 | jnguy[h] | Xorg starts |
| 08:31.28 | jnguy[h] | it runs |
| 08:31.31 | jnguy[h] | I can interact with it. |
| 08:31.35 | jnguy[h] | I can't see it |
| 08:31.36 | Nyle | !enter |
| 08:31.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 08:31.40 | jnguy[h] | I'm guessing a frame buffer issue |
| 08:31.47 | jnguy[h] | sorry |
| 08:31.47 | Nyle | I give up. |
| 08:31.59 | jnguy[h] | I don't want to reinstall debian |
| 08:32.06 | Nyle | 03:20 < Nyle> debian___: whatever makes you feel better. I'm not going to spoofeed you. |
| 08:32.19 | Azar | jnguy[h]: can be from your video driver, can be a misconfig from your xorg... can be your monitor.. |
| 08:32.22 | Nyle | um... how did I spell spoonfeed? |
| 08:32.36 | Nyle | did I not spell it with an 'n' |
| 08:32.37 | Nyle | ? |
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| 08:32.39 | debian___ | spoofeed |
| 08:32.41 | Nyle | yes of course I did |
| 08:32.49 | Azar | stop it!! I am getting hungry |
| 08:32.50 | debian___ | ?? |
| 08:32.55 | debian___ | Azar: Hehe |
| 08:32.57 | Azar | Nyle: spoonfed me |
| 08:33.15 | Nyle | you're jsut too much of an asshole to realize that I know how it is spelled, and that it must have been a typo. And also that critizing spelling online is lame. |
| 08:33.16 | Azar | gerber apple sauce |
| 08:33.31 | Nyle | do u know wut i iz tokin 'bout? |
| 08:33.35 | Nyle | duz u? |
| 08:33.36 | jnguy[h] | Azar: Do you know if you run a remote xclient, whether it runs off the local video card or the remote one? According to glxgear stats, it seems its half as fast when I run it remotely. |
| 08:33.42 | Nyle | thats what I thought. |
| 08:34.03 | o7andrew | hi i'm a realnoob, do you know of a good (pictorial or video) intro to firestarter firewall??? (i'd like to beat shieldsup just like zonealarm did) |
| 08:34.04 | Azar | hmm remote? does X work remotely? |
| 08:34.05 | jnguy[h] | Nyle: I appreciate your help. Thanks. |
| 08:34.24 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: maybe you should read hwo X window system works. |
| 08:34.24 | jnguy[h] | Azar: yep. if I do ssh -X I can run glxgears. |
| 08:34.37 | Nyle | try wikipedia, that should hopefully answer your questions. |
| 08:34.51 | Azar | jnguy[h]: oh I see... never had glxgears .. |
| 08:34.57 | Nyle | jnguy[h]: yes |
| 08:35.03 | Dipochet | where do you control the services that start up on boot up? |
| 08:35.25 | o7andrew | sdl's looking v.good!! |
| 08:35.26 | jnguy[h] | /etc/rc*.d |
| 08:35.26 | Azar | Dipochet: services or module loads? |
| 08:35.44 | Timo^ | ok gonna try to remove all kdm packages |
| 08:35.49 | Timo^ | old ones |
| 08:35.55 | Timo^ | how can i check which one installed |
| 08:36.09 | Nyle | !rc.d |
| 08:36.09 | dpkg | Debian is not DeadRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
| 08:36.13 | Dipochet | Azar, services |
| 08:36.26 | Azar | o7andrew: well start by learning iptables... |
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| 08:36.39 | jnguy[h] | dpkg -l | grep -i kdm |
| 08:36.39 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep -i kdm |
| 08:36.53 | Nyle | why? |
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| 08:37.38 | Azar | o7andrew: http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/ |
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| 08:38.46 | Azar | speaking of firewalls, what about ClamAV being sued by TrendMicro |
| 08:38.54 | Nyle | o7andrew: false sense of security. |
| 08:39.09 | jnguy[h] | there has been a call to boycott TrendMicro |
| 08:39.23 | Nyle | didn't they make pc-cillin |
| 08:39.32 | Azar | Nyle: this is how big sharks like Norton and all scammed noobs to pay taxes for a "virtual" security which in fact was not there |
| 08:39.33 | jnguy[h] | I think they're patent trolling iirc |
| 08:39.49 | Azar | Nyle: yeah |
| 08:39.55 | Nyle | man |
| 08:40.02 | Nyle | I have to wake up in 4 hours to go to job interview |
| 08:40.07 | jnguy[h] | gl |
| 08:40.10 | Azar | the only good thing that came from that crapware was that was not interfering with applications |
| 08:40.12 | o7andrew | Nyle: why do you say that? <please don't show me> |
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| 08:40.25 | Nyle | huh? |
| 08:40.31 | krinns | hi all |
| 08:40.38 | Azar | Nyle: go sleep, you want to look fresh and enthousiastic |
| 08:40.45 | krinns | i reomev n reinstall apache2 |
| 08:40.46 | Nyle | yeh |
| 08:40.49 | jnguy[h] | okay... really stupid question... but kernel modules definitely don't get upgraded when you do a dist-upgrade, right? |
| 08:40.57 | Nyle | thing is I usually sleep around 6am |
| 08:41.01 | Nyle | ;( |
| 08:41.06 | Nyle | i'm not sleepy at all |
| 08:41.08 | krinns | now every local website i open give me error of PHTML |
| 08:41.10 | krinns | whats this |
| 08:41.14 | krinns | any idea |
| 08:41.14 | Nyle | im wide aaake and its 4am |
| 08:41.31 | o7andrew | you go dude! |
| 08:41.33 | Azar | Nyle: yeah but you will look like a rotten carrot tomorrow |
| 08:41.46 | Nyle | i know |
| 08:41.55 | Nyle | im goint to bed in 15 minutes |
| 08:42.03 | Nyle | i'll get 5 hours of sleep i'll be fine |
| 08:42.48 | o7andrew | no wonder people make so many spelling errors, they only do a write-up after hours&hours of hacking, so they're totally blung @the end |
| 08:42.55 | Nyle | interview is at 10:30 am, I'll be there at 10:00 which means I have to leave the house at 9:15 or 9:3 |
| 08:42.58 | Nyle | 30 |
| 08:43.13 | o7andrew | go dude |
| 08:43.20 | Nyle | hehe yeh |
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| 08:43.24 | Nyle | i can' tspell anyway |
| 08:43.26 | Azar | o7andrew: I given up on all antivirus and firewalls once I stopped using Windows. I use that money now to donate to Debian |
| 08:43.29 | Nyle | plus english aint my first laguage |
| 08:43.34 | o7andrew | thanx azar, but it's about shorewall |
| 08:44.11 | Azar | o7andrew: never tried it but I hear is used by many successfully.. |
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| 08:44.35 | o7andrew | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBs_cIhVNyc |
| 08:44.54 | o7andrew | spanish? |
| 08:44.59 | o7andrew | french? |
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| 08:45.23 | o7andrew | I thought it was americans & europeans that used linux the most |
| 08:46.04 | o7andrew | Azar: what firewall do you use? do you interface directly with iptables? |
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| 08:49.35 | debian___ | o7andrew: Does debian need firewall? |
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| 08:50.06 | jim | DebiAn only needs company |
| 08:50.37 | jim | seriously... you can put a firewall if you want |
| 08:51.11 | uthersde | what have i to configure if i want that files and folders in the console have different colors? |
| 08:51.15 | Timo^ | Hi. |
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| 08:53.23 | o7andrew | ok jim, i just don't want to share all my passwords |
| 08:53.42 | o7andrew | yaknow? |
| 08:54.50 | sep | who shows a user last95 pts/24 Feb 7 12:01 but there is no such pts in /dev/pts and no process owned by that user. how can i throw it out so the user can login again |
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| 08:58.01 | jim | so... you can put a firewall on there if you want |
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| 08:59.28 | acidfu_ | Hi, vconfig doesnt seem to be apt-gettable... is it under another name ? |
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| 08:59.52 | jim | another thing..... you should avoid ftp and telnet |
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| 09:00.36 | o7andrew | okeydoke, i 'almost' understand what you mean |
| 09:00.53 | o7andrew | file transfer protocol right? |
| 09:00.58 | jim | yep |
| 09:01.04 | o7andrew | cool |
| 09:01.27 | jim | it's a nonencrypted protocol, if you use it nonanon, the name and pw are sent in the clear |
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| 09:01.39 | gordonjcp | jim: it's a *broken* protocol |
| 09:01.43 | SlimG | Isn't it possible to create more than one partition on a RAID1 array? do I need to use LVM to somehow be able to create multiple partitions on a RAID1 array? |
| 09:01.53 | o7andrew | jim: do you think that the future will be full with free linux video learning (maybe at youtube)? |
| 09:02.01 | gordonjcp | there are a lot of things wrong with ftp - sending credentials in cleartext are only the *tiniest* problem |
| 09:02.18 | gordonjcp | every single aspect of ftp fails in some crucial way |
| 09:02.30 | rati | Hey I have debian machine, in one of my web application password box, I have password typed, so can I get that password, means decode password *** from password bix |
| 09:02.30 | gordonjcp | use scp or sftp |
| 09:02.56 | o7andrew | gordonjcp: yeah, I'm just used to windows and zonealarm=avg=spybot=ad-aware |
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| 09:03.00 | jim | it will be a free full future with furry fangs of fentinyl forays into feverish fantom flavors! |
| 09:03.23 | o7andrew | oh |
| 09:03.24 | jim | o7andrew, seriously... |
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| 09:03.44 | sep | nobody that knows how to get rid of a stuck pts ? |
| 09:04.17 | xushi | hi all |
| 09:04.18 | gordonjcp | o7andrew: mostly you don't need to worry about that on Linux |
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| 09:04.33 | xushi | this may be silly, but how do i move multiple files and folders to one destination in 1 line? Does it always take the last folder as the destination? Like `mv file1 file2 folder1 folder2 destination/` ? |
| 09:04.41 | gordonjcp | o7andrew: to be entirely fair, you *mostly* don't need to worry about that on Windows, if you're at least behind NAT |
| 09:05.07 | jim | o7andrew, tell people what you're trying to do and people will tell you how to find out. it will (that's WILL) require you to read. |
| 09:05.13 | gordonjcp | if you've got a Windows box plugged directly into a cable modem, you're asking to get 0wned |
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| 09:05.49 | gordonjcp | if you've got a Linux box plugged directly into a cable modem, it'll probably survive for months |
| 09:06.02 | o7andrew | nice1 |
| 09:06.18 | jim | maybe you should read Rusty's Unreliable Guides |
| 09:06.27 | gordonjcp | jim: what are they? |
| 09:06.35 | tarzeau | i can't figure how to extract the exif header from a jpg to put it into another jpg using jhead. any help? |
| 09:06.49 | gordonjcp | jim: ah, nm, googled it |
| 09:06.55 | jim | gordonjcp, google for em and see :) oh, ok |
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| 09:07.09 | gordonjcp | jim: "JFGI" yeah, yeah, heard it... |
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| 09:07.35 | jim | in o7andrew's case, he should read starting from the beginning |
| 09:08.06 | jim | at least, if what he says about his present knowledge is accurate |
| 09:08.39 | o7andrew | yupyup, the manuals kinda huge though |
| 09:08.56 | o7andrew | can i phone a friend? |
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| 09:09.12 | jim | you need to understand the stuff yourself |
| 09:09.27 | jim | but you can phone anyone you want |
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| 09:09.46 | maelstrom | iceweasel. *rolls eyes* |
| 09:10.11 | kuber | so I keep reading about this tzconfig command that's supposed to be in libc6 and used to change the timezone ona deb install.I can't find it on any of my sid boxes. :? |
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| 09:10.30 | perfector | my pdf printer prints pdfs but i cant select the text. any idea y? |
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| 09:11.05 | PriitM | I'm using Etch and RTL-8185 wifi card, can't set iwconfig mode managed |
| 09:11.48 | PriitM | just stays at 'auto' mode, but I can go ad-hoc mode |
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| 09:12.58 | kuber | I've read about using tzselect, but that seems to be a session level thing, not system level |
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| 09:14.41 | PriitM | is there any text based configuration file for iwconfig? |
| 09:14.51 | cafuego | PriitM: interfaces |
| 09:15.25 | PriitM | great, thanks |
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| 09:16.41 | damion | hi, sorry for all the noob questions. im trying to quit x so i can install a video card driver but when i crtl alt del it takes me to the login window |
| 09:16.49 | damion | how do i quit x? |
| 09:16.58 | bush | ctrl alt backspace |
| 09:17.19 | damion | sorry, i only have a delete key |
| 09:18.03 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 09:18.53 | kuber | anyone? looks like tzconfig is not in sid -- is there some newfangled way used to set timezone? |
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| 09:20.17 | damion | so other than ctrl atl del, how can i quit x and drop into a terminal? |
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| 09:20.42 | PriitM | you can get into terminal by control+alt+f1-f6 i suppose |
| 09:20.55 | damion | im not just trying to get into a terminal |
| 09:20.59 | damion | im trying to stop the x server |
| 09:21.16 | kuber | perhaps everyone just uses gnome to config it now :b |
| 09:21.20 | bush | are you using kdm/gdm/xdm? |
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| 09:21.43 | damion | im using whatever is default for debian. i just installed 15 min ago |
| 09:22.01 | ayblh | in the terminal use the command ps -e to kill the process corresponding to the X server ! |
| 09:22.03 | jelly | damion: it is unlikely that you have no backspace button |
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| 09:22.16 | jelly | er, key |
| 09:22.16 | damion | well, belive it jelly =) |
| 09:22.30 | sco50000 | damion: default for debian is gdm |
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| 09:23.03 | damion | i guess i have gdm bush |
| 09:23.08 | jelly | damion: stop it. |
| 09:23.16 | damion | stop what? |
| 09:23.17 | bush | damion: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 09:23.26 | jelly | damion: gdm |
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| 09:23.41 | damion | thanks bush, i'll try that |
| 09:23.59 | jelly | win! |
| 09:24.22 | jim | wing? |
| 09:24.22 | jelly | !prize bush |
| 09:24.45 | luqui_ | I just installed debian on a dual processor IA64 system, but when I run various programs it says it is using 100% cpu |
| 09:24.52 | luqui_ | how can I verify that the kernel sees both processors? |
| 09:25.08 | jim | is it really ia64? |
| 09:25.08 | bush | luqui_: top should give you that info |
| 09:25.13 | kuber | dmesg | grep CPU |
| 09:25.33 | iateadonut | what is the best game? |
| 09:25.39 | kuber | soggy biscuit |
| 09:25.41 | jim | ia64 is quite rare; amd64 is the usual, for intel and amd dualcore |
| 09:25.46 | se7en | cat /proc/cpuinfo shoud show |
| 09:26.08 | luqui_ | kuber, there we go, "1 CPU available" |
| 09:26.10 | luqui_ | aha! |
| 09:26.12 | kuber | Brought up 4 CPUs |
| 09:26.12 | sco50000 | iateadonut: probably pong |
| 09:26.14 | kuber | :D |
| 09:26.16 | iateadonut | what is the best computer game. |
| 09:26.29 | kuber | iateadonut: custer's last stand |
| 09:26.31 | jelly | !tell iateadonut -about best |
| 09:26.33 | iateadonut | what is the best computer game on debian linux. |
| 09:26.39 | kuber | openarena |
| 09:26.44 | kuber | frozen-bubble |
| 09:26.45 | bush | teg |
| 09:26.46 | bazik | world of warcraft :P |
| 09:26.47 | ukh | nethack |
| 09:26.50 | jelly | tetris. in dosbox. |
| 09:26.56 | kuber | snes9x |
| 09:26.56 | kuber | :b |
| 09:27.07 | jelly | !polls |
| 09:27.07 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 09:28.03 | luqui_ | so, uname says 2.6.18-5-mckinley #1 SMP, so it looks like i have an SMP kernel |
| 09:28.11 | luqui_ | how can I make it see both processors? |
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| 09:28.44 | ukh | luqui: what does 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' say? |
| 09:28.55 | jelly | luqui_: it will see both cpus if it can. pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:29.18 | damion | the command you gave me worked bush thanks. but now that ive logged back in, ive noticed that the shutdown option no longer appears in my "desktop" menubar. is this normal? |
| 09:29.24 | luqui_ | ?paste |
| 09:29.31 | luqui_ | where is paste server? |
| 09:29.39 | bush | luqui_: pastebin |
| 09:29.54 | bush | damion: dont know, i dont use gnome |
| 09:30.10 | jelly | !paster |
| 09:30.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:30.13 | sco50000 | damion: how did you start the X server back up? |
| 09:30.15 | iateadonut | how can i make lamp default to index.php when looking in a directory? |
| 09:30.18 | damion | startx |
| 09:30.23 | iateadonut | (through a webbrowser) |
| 09:30.26 | sco50000 | damion: that's why |
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| 09:30.32 | luqui_ | http://pastebin.com/d5b7c2229 |
| 09:30.39 | bush | damion: use /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 09:30.55 | damion | ahhh, the opposite of what i used to quit. who knew? lol |
| 09:30.57 | jelly | luqui_: hah, you really have an itanium machine :-) |
| 09:31.13 | damion | so i tried to install this driver and it said that "cc" is not in my path |
| 09:31.18 | damion | im sure i have gcc installed |
| 09:31.29 | luqui_ | jelly, yeah, got it for free :-) |
| 09:31.49 | luqui_ | or is that not what you meant by "really"? |
| 09:32.07 | vyrus001 | question... i have new laptop with an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, im using the iwl3945 with correct firmware, the card loads and i see the card in iwconfig, i can change modes, set wep keys set essids etc.. but for some reason... i cant get it to associate to any ap, ideas? |
| 09:32.12 | bush | that depends on what the meaning of is, is |
| 09:33.11 | jelly | luqui_: there's an #ia64 channel on irc.oftc.net, fwiw |
| 09:33.27 | luqui_ | jelly, thanks |
| 09:35.20 | DarenM | vyrus001> I have the same card. are you using wpa_supplicant? |
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| 09:35.29 | damion | how do i add "cc" to my path? |
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| 09:36.41 | jelly | luqui_: another guess, you could try a newer kernel from backports.org. I doubt that would help, but who knows |
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| 09:37.54 | jim | damion: apt-get install build-essential |
| 09:38.06 | jim | and it may or may not be cc, you will have gcc |
| 09:38.10 | jelly | luqui_: "uname -r"? |
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| 09:39.33 | damion | according to synaptic i have gcc, but when i try to compile this driver it says i dont have "cc" or "cc" is not in my path |
| 09:40.03 | iateadonut | is there a PLF type repository for debian? |
| 09:40.04 | vyrus001 | DarenM: nope |
| 09:40.08 | vyrus001 | just trying to get it to work first |
| 09:40.25 | vyrus001 | for some reason i set it to the correct essid but it dosnt pick up the ap |
| 09:40.25 | DarenM | vyrus001> what you you using to try and associate? |
| 09:40.36 | petemc | damion: check /usr/bin/gcc is there yourself, check where your script expects to find gcc |
| 09:40.37 | vyrus001 | DarenM: so far, 2 ap's of totaly diff make |
| 09:40.54 | vyrus001 | DarenM: one cisco some model and one netgear type consumer POS |
| 09:41.27 | DarenM | vyrus001> I mean what command or program are you using to tell your card to associate with said ap |
| 09:41.51 | vyrus001 | DarenM: iwconfig |
| 09:42.35 | jim | damion: try CC=gcc make |
| 09:42.35 | damion | /usr/bin/gcc is not present |
| 09:42.41 | jim | damion: apt-get install build-essential |
| 09:42.46 | vyrus001 | DarenM: iwconfig eth0 essid "the ap" then look to see a mac address |
| 09:42.47 | vyrus001 | nothing |
| 09:42.59 | damion | im downloading build-essential right now =) |
| 09:43.07 | DarenM | vyrus001> try using wpa_supplicant to make your card try to associate with something. |
| 09:43.22 | vyrus001 | DarenM: can i do that when im not using wpa? |
| 09:43.26 | jim | build-essential is gcc, make and a buncha other stuff |
| 09:43.27 | DarenM | vyrus001> yes |
| 09:43.50 | vyrus001 | ic |
| 09:44.10 | jim | note however,,, whatever you're building now, you will have to satisfy its build requirements by installing whatever else it needs for the build |
| 09:44.37 | DarenM | vyrus001> put something like this into you wpa_supplicant.conf http://pastebin.ca/902271 |
| 09:44.44 | ^shark_ | hi guys |
| 09:44.54 | DarenM | vyrus001> putting in your wep key and essid |
| 09:44.55 | ^shark_ | how do i use ipsec to create a new RSA key? |
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| 09:45.45 | vyrus001 | DarenM: trying |
| 09:45.48 | endra | well hello |
| 09:46.13 | endra | How can I clear a dns cache from my system? I want it to resolve something again since I updated it |
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| 09:47.16 | petemc | endra: there is no general cache, its probably your browser or whatever application |
| 09:48.27 | pfote | (except something like pdnsd or nscd is installed) |
| 09:48.33 | DarenM | vyrus001> what is the output of ifconfig, iwconfig and cat /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:49.04 | petemc | pfote: execpting if caching nameserver software is installed, i didnt think it was necessary to point that out |
| 09:50.10 | vyrus001 | DarenM: does the key go in in plain text or hex? |
| 09:50.29 | ^shark_ | who will help me with this >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1835 |
| 09:50.43 | DarenM | vyrus001> hex sorry http://web.sunybroome.edu/~eet168/WebKeyGenerator.html |
| 09:51.17 | vyrus001 | DarenM: heh its fine... i just use iwconfig key s: to gen it :D |
| 09:51.29 | PriitM | Could anyone please check my /etc/network/interfaces if wlan0 settings are correct? http://pastebin.ca/902268 |
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| 09:52.11 | PriitM | I mean if I'm missing anything... IP-s and such information is correct |
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| 09:52.35 | sco50000 | PriitM: the netmask 255.255.252.0 is correct? |
| 09:52.42 | PriitM | yes |
| 09:52.48 | damion | agh, the shutdown option is still missing from my menu and i restarted x with /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 09:52.55 | damion | but nothing happend so i did startx again |
| 09:52.58 | damion | what gives? |
| 09:53.09 | PriitM | for some reason iwconfig won't take those settings, there's basicly no changes at all |
| 09:53.22 | PriitM | when I try to cfg via iwconfig |
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| 09:54.06 | sco50000 | damion: it might have to do with starting gdm not as root |
| 09:54.08 | kuber | it could be a driver issue. some drivers don't support all modes. particularly closed source ones. |
| 09:54.30 | damion | ah, possibly. i cant quit gdm unless im root |
| 09:55.03 | sco50000 | damion: whenever i stop gdm, i always start it again as root, and i have no problems |
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| 09:55.19 | PriitM | kuber, it connected to some open network and it was managed mode. Using drivers through ndiswrapper |
| 09:55.39 | vyrus001 | DarenM: http://pastebin.ca/902275 |
| 09:55.55 | damion | thats possibly the problem. ill try that in a moment. i guess i have to download the kernel sources now |
| 09:56.03 | robboplus | dudes, /dev/sda4 263G 63G 200G 24% / <---i can't find that stuff using 63GB.. how is that possible? |
| 09:56.06 | damion | the driver is being a real pain in the ... |
| 09:56.19 | sco50000 | robboplus: try filelight |
| 09:56.20 | endra | thanks |
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| 09:56.27 | robboplus | sco50000 is that a console tool? |
| 09:56.34 | sco50000 | robboplus: apt-get install filelight |
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| 09:56.38 | sco50000 | robboplus: no |
| 09:56.40 | sco50000 | gui |
| 09:56.41 | robboplus | oh hm sco50000 |
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| 09:56.48 | Perplexed_Entity | hi |
| 09:56.51 | robboplus | i don't use X |
| 09:57.16 | robboplus | i tried du though and NO path shows anything even close to 63 gigs |
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| 09:57.29 | robboplus | what on earth could this be? fs corruption? |
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| 09:58.37 | Perplexed_Entity | i'm losing sleep on a problem: i did a migration from PATA to SATA, but now i can't boot. i always get a "begin: waiting for root file system" error when i try booting a kernel, which then drops me to a busybox shell that says "alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist", although i think i changed all references to hda* into sda*. where is it picking that up? |
| 09:59.13 | Perplexed_Entity | (the begin: waiting for root file system being a message, not an error. sorry) |
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| 10:00.46 | ukh | Perplexed_Entity: I assume you fixed both /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab? |
| 10:01.06 | Perplexed_Entity | ukh: both of them, yes. |
| 10:01.15 | damion | this is making me crazy |
| 10:01.28 | Perplexed_Entity | is it possible that there are such references in the initRD's? |
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| 10:02.03 | Perplexed_Entity | i don't know where else they could be... i'm really stumped |
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| 10:02.49 | SlimG | Why can't I define the new RAID1 partition to "Use as: Physical volume for RAID" (trying to setup RAID1+0 during debian 4.0 R2 installer) |
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| 10:03.04 | Nielsen | Perplexed_Entity: try booting it bareback: /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro init=/bin/bash |
| 10:03.05 | danisahne | hi guys |
| 10:03.40 | danisahne | i am trying to setup xen on my debian but i have several problems. |
| 10:03.41 | Perplexed_Entity | Nielsen: i tried that, it won't work without initRD it seems |
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| 10:04.32 | danisahne | i copied the 2.6.21 xen kernel and xen from fedora 8 to debian |
| 10:04.46 | Perplexed_Entity | point is, i know the hardware can work like that. i tried reinstalling to see what would happen, and things worked |
| 10:05.07 | Perplexed_Entity | i just can't figure out where those obsolete hda references are coming from, it would appear |
| 10:05.07 | danisahne | but i am getting 4gb seg errors |
| 10:05.26 | danisahne | i have install libc6-xen but didnt solve it |
| 10:05.30 | danisahne | someone knows help? |
| 10:05.57 | danisahne | 4gb seg fixup is whats exaclty mentioned |
| 10:06.49 | ukh | danisahne: I see them too, but only when "dpkg" and friends are running. otherwise I never see it. |
| 10:07.04 | ftp3 | i need to backup a failing drive quickly over the internet, what is the fastest way to send /usr to a remote place? |
| 10:07.12 | yang | I am wondering on sarge when i do touch /forcefsck there is no log in /var/log/fsck ? |
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| 10:07.29 | danisahne | hm i see it also at boot time concerning several processes |
| 10:07.47 | danisahne | init, udevd,... |
| 10:07.53 | idimmu_ | ftp3: cat, tar, netcat |
| 10:08.00 | idimmu_ | actually -cat |
| 10:08.02 | idimmu_ | tar and netcat |
| 10:08.08 | damion | can someone tell me or point me to a resource that will show me how to add application icons to my menubar? |
| 10:08.19 | maelstrom | this is not the official debian channel right ? |
| 10:08.21 | idimmu_ | damion: gnome? |
| 10:08.28 | danisahne | ukh: what it ldd /sbin/init saying to you? |
| 10:09.26 | ukh | danisahne: when I've rebooted my xen instances I don't see them any more, only during initial creation with xen-tools. |
| 10:09.32 | damion | yes |
| 10:09.35 | damion | gnome |
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| 10:10.27 | ukh | danisahne: ldd /sbin/init shows exactly the same as a non-xen box |
| 10:10.27 | danisahne | hm my xen client stops booting at all with lots of these messages |
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| 10:11.18 | ukh | but then, I'm only running plain vanilla etch dom0 and domU |
| 10:11.23 | idimmu | ukh: what does xm list show? |
| 10:11.42 | danisahne | ukh: for me it shows that libc.so.6 is link to the nosegneg version |
| 10:11.46 | idimmu | can you connect to their consoles? |
| 10:11.47 | danisahne | libdl.so.2 the same |
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| 10:12.45 | idimmu | damion: middle click and drag the icons from the application menu to the start bar? |
| 10:13.00 | idimmu | or right click->add to panel? |
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| 10:13.36 | ukh | idimmu: http://paste.debian.net/49075 (but then, I do not have any problems :-) |
| 10:13.47 | danisahne | idimmu: when i am starting the xen guest there are a lot of 4gb seg fixup messages |
| 10:13.48 | damion | argh |
| 10:13.58 | damion | i deleted the panel on accident!! |
| 10:14.18 | idimmu | sux2bu |
| 10:14.25 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
| 10:14.27 | idimmu | i use ubuntu for my xens and it's really pretty at it :o |
| 10:14.32 | damion | how do i get it back? |
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| 10:15.17 | idimmu | have you deleted all your panels? |
| 10:15.37 | damion | no just the top one |
| 10:15.39 | danisahne | idimmu: ok ill try ubuntu |
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| 10:16.23 | idimmu | we run about 60 xens on ubuntu fine, its creation tools are really easy, but i dont know how much they nicked off debian |
| 10:16.44 | danisahne | idimmu: what xen version and kernel do you use? |
| 10:16.53 | danisahne | and what libc6 version? |
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| 10:17.58 | idimmu | we're running gutsy with 2.6.22-14-xen xen 3.1.0 and libc 2.6.1 |
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| 10:18.41 | danisahne | is it from the packages? |
| 10:18.41 | DarenM | vyrus001> sorry |
| 10:18.51 | DarenM | vyrus001> had connection probs. |
| 10:18.53 | danisahne | or compiled |
| 10:20.55 | DawnLight | i want to set up a server that will download messages from an account using pop3 and serve them as imap. dovecot handles the imap part, postfix handles the sending part and fetchmail handles the receiving part? is this right? |
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| 10:21.59 | idimmu | danisahne: all from packages |
| 10:22.07 | idimmu | <- laziest sys admin in the world :D |
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| 10:22.26 | EvolutionCrazy | Hi, i'm running debian etch, I had some problems due to a bug in the kernel that should have been fixed in a later version... so I did added the testing repositories and did a: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp |
| 10:22.43 | EvolutionCrazy | the last kernel got installed, a rebooted into it fine... the problem now is that crontab is no more working |
| 10:22.46 | DawnLight | EvolutionCrazy: never do that |
| 10:23.11 | DawnLight | !tell EvolutionCrazy about backports |
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| 10:23.26 | xored | i have a strange behavior with my sshd. Just installing a new server, generated some keypairs, copied them etc. ( used my curretn sshd config form other servers )..i still have PasswordAuth activated for "not locking out" reasong. When i use my key for auth, he asks for the passphrase, thats ok, but after that, he asks for the password. Any ideas? |
| 10:24.11 | EvolutionCrazy | my eth kept dying with a "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" error... that should have been fixed in 2.6.23 :( |
| 10:24.14 | jim | EvolutionCrazy: you have a couple of choices... you can restore from your backup that you made when you read the installation manual |
| 10:24.29 | jim | which said make a backup |
| 10:24.42 | jim | or you can completely upgrade to testing |
| 10:24.47 | DawnLight | xored: what happens when you disable passwordauth |
| 10:25.07 | DawnLight | EvolutionCrazy: backports.org has a backported kernel for etch |
| 10:25.09 | jim | you can only get in when you have keys? |
| 10:25.12 | xored | DawnLight: thats what i wont test. |
| 10:25.18 | xored | DawnLight: until the login works. |
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| 10:25.41 | EvolutionCrazy | DawnLight ty, will try that |
| 10:25.41 | jim | if this is ssh, consider ssh-keygen |
| 10:25.54 | |DuReX| | hello :) I upgraded my kernel, and now my eggdrop is not working anymore :s weird shit |
| 10:26.01 | |DuReX| | [11:21] SSL Failed connect to irc.glassbilen.net (Error while switching to SSL) |
| 10:26.11 | |DuReX| | and strace gives: write(12, "\200t\1\3\1\0K\0\0\0 \0\0009\0\0008\0\0005\0\0\26\0\0\23"..., 118) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 10:26.16 | jim | because without an ssh key you're NOT getting in if you disable passwordauth |
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| 10:27.34 | jim | oh, and make sure you copy the public part of the key to wherever it's supposed to go on the remote |
| 10:27.53 | DawnLight | xored: try ssh-copy-id |
| 10:28.07 | xored | DawnLight: whats that ? |
| 10:28.46 | EvolutionCrazy | DawnLight I'm not able to do a proper search on backports... :S |
| 10:28.51 | jim | ask the great, knowledgable and weirdly named google! |
| 10:28.54 | EvolutionCrazy | what should I search for? :( |
| 10:29.45 | petemc | |DuReX|: sysctl kernel/random/entropy_avail |
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| 10:30.13 | danisahne | idimmu: you use standard version of libc6 or libc6-xen? |
| 10:30.24 | |DuReX| | kernel.random.entropy_avail = 3238 |
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| 10:30.36 | petemc | |DuReX|: its not that, then |
| 10:30.50 | idimmu | danisahne: standard version |
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| 10:31.17 | |DuReX| | damn :( any other id's ? |
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| 10:31.46 | idimmu | danisahne: i think libc6-xen might be legacy as apt cant find it |
| 10:31.55 | idimmu | (either legacy or newer than gutsy ...) |
| 10:32.03 | danisahne | ok |
| 10:32.07 | danisahne | thx |
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| 10:34.58 | xored | how to reconfigure the hostname? dpgk-reconfigure hostname does not work |
| 10:35.10 | xored | ok found it sorry. |
| 10:36.11 | DawnLight | xored: /etc/hostname |
| 10:36.34 | DawnLight | EvolutionCrazy: linux-image |
| 10:37.38 | EvolutionCrazy | DawnLight can i do: "apt-get -s --reinstall install -t etch-backports kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp" |
| 10:37.53 | EvolutionCrazy | after adding the backports to the repos? |
| 10:38.15 | DawnLight | EvolutionCrazy: i suggest you firstly install the original etch linux and reboot into that |
| 10:38.24 | EvolutionCrazy | ok, it's already installed |
| 10:38.27 | EvolutionCrazy | will boot into that |
| 10:38.33 | jim | EvolutionCrazy: what other packages did it install? |
| 10:38.42 | EvolutionCrazy | nothing |
| 10:38.43 | EvolutionCrazy | just that ;) |
| 10:38.45 | DawnLight | then remove the nasty lenny stuff |
| 10:38.49 | EvolutionCrazy | allright :) |
| 10:38.52 | danisahne | idimmu: you installed everything from the packages or compiled something yourself? |
| 10:39.14 | jim | so it only installed -one- package? |
| 10:39.17 | idimmu | everything is 100% pacakges |
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| 10:39.22 | DawnLight | EvolutionCrazy: now learn aptitude |
| 10:39.33 | DawnLight | !tell EvolutionCrazy about aptitude |
| 10:39.43 | EvolutionCrazy | will do, tnx :D |
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| 10:39.53 | idimmu | we are using multiverse and universe repositories if that makes a difference |
| 10:40.08 | EvolutionCrazy | i'm used to centos... just got this debian server and I'm trying to figure something out :D |
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| 10:40.48 | jim | do yourself a big favor... don't put it into production just yet |
| 10:40.51 | pbn | Hum I see that right now there is a new binary kernel: linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 for lenny, but it seems there isn't any new binary kernel for etch... is that normal ? |
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| 10:43.27 | fireba11 | etch doesn't have 2.6.22 |
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| 10:43.55 | crumblenaut | hi, if i have a debian box running a manually-built kernel, what is the process for reverting back to the generic debian one? |
| 10:44.21 | jim | etch has 2.6.18-(different stuff goes here) |
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| 10:45.12 | EvolutionCrazy | DawnLight any suggestion on how to properly remove the kernel i installed from "testing"? |
| 10:45.19 | petemc | crumblenaut: configure grub to load the old kernel, or install a newer one |
| 10:45.33 | DawnLight | EvolutionCrazy: ahm... use aptitude to purge it's ass |
| 10:45.46 | jim | EvolutionCrazy: man dpkg, man apt-get, man aptitude, man 5 sources.list |
| 10:46.03 | jim | and dpkg --help |
| 10:46.06 | EvolutionCrazy | jim i undestand what you mean :( |
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| 10:46.16 | xored | i need a current / stable / performant kernel for hosting gameserver on a debian etch machine. Should i use some out of the portage or use the kernel sources from kernel.org ? |
| 10:46.19 | EvolutionCrazy | apt-get remove would be ok... but can i just remove the kernel image? |
| 10:46.29 | DawnLight | and "man, this sucks" |
| 10:46.34 | EvolutionCrazy | lol |
| 10:47.25 | jim | well of course you can decide this sucks if you want to... at which point you'd have to decide what you would rather run |
| 10:47.46 | jim | maybe freebsd... or macos... |
| 10:49.01 | fireba11 | xored : hi |
| 10:49.08 | xored | fireba11: hi |
| 10:49.18 | fireba11 | xored : what's bad about 2.6.18 ? |
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| 10:49.46 | xored | fireba11: nothing bad about it, but i will need a 1000hz scheduler kernel |
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| 10:50.05 | jelly | 250Hz should be enough for everyone |
| 10:50.08 | xored | fireba11: so i will have to selfmade it anyway. So iam not sure which kind of kernel to choose. |
| 10:50.11 | xored | jelly: no. |
| 10:50.22 | russo | hi guys, i can't get my cdroms to run at 32bit and dma... any suggestions? i've tried hdparm |
| 10:50.22 | fireba11 | xored: well download sources and compile yourself :-) |
| 10:50.38 | russo | is there soemthing in the kernel that needs changing |
| 10:51.01 | paul_thujone | is it normal that mercurial installs in /usr/share/python-support? it is not in python sys.path by default |
| 10:51.01 | xored | fireba11: question is, wheather i should tak 2.6.24 one, its a new x2 4200 |
| 10:51.32 | fireba11 | xored: 2.6.18 runs fine on those, but of course you can always install a new vanilla kernel |
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| 10:52.41 | xored | fireba11: didnt they change some scheduler things in the 20 brach? i guess this could help with perfomance, because scheduler is all in my application |
| 10:53.02 | pbn | fireba11: ah, :) lemme rephrase: why is it lenny already has a new binary kernel, and etch has not ? |
| 10:53.36 | fireba11 | pbn : etch got 2.6.18 and normally would never ever get a newer kernel version |
| 10:54.06 | Perplexed_Entity | can anyone help me? i migrated from PATA to SATA, and now the system won't boot at all. it returns a "waiting for root file system" message and drops me in a busybox shell with a "alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist", even tho' i changed all references to hda into sda. tried rewriting the MBR, reinstalling the kernels multiple times, but nothing. |
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| 10:54.22 | Asmooh | why cant ppl just compile there own kernel |
| 10:54.23 | Asmooh | ;/ |
| 10:54.23 | |DuReX| | petemc: its working without ssl :s |
| 10:54.24 | |DuReX| | weird |
| 10:54.54 | jim | Asmooh: you can if you want to... it would be harder to get help |
| 10:54.56 | Perplexed_Entity | any help is really appreciated, i haven't slept over this... |
| 10:55.11 | phix | Asmooh: :) |
| 10:55.13 | Asmooh | hmm jim for "newbies" you meen? |
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| 10:55.39 | Hoxzer | Asmooh: compile takes time + most distros have precompiled modules for the precompiled kernel |
| 10:55.42 | phix | Asmooh: I tried that, but of corse trying to use modules in the debian repo fails |
| 10:55.48 | Hoxzer | ALso automatic updates |
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| 10:55.58 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to setup PXE booting in such a way that I can choose the architecture that i want to install on the clients? |
| 10:56.10 | Asmooh | phix, hmm strange |
| 10:56.11 | Knight_Lord | I read the debian manual on PXE installing, but the instructions leave me with a PXE server specific for a given architecture |
| 10:56.19 | idimmu | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 10:56.19 | Asmooh | i never used pre installed kernels.. |
| 10:56.26 | Perplexed_Entity | please... help? |
| 10:56.30 | jim | your choice |
| 10:56.40 | nevyn | sometimes I hate hardware people |
| 10:57.12 | jim | Perplexed_Entity: why doesn't sata work? |
| 10:57.13 | fireba11 | Perplexed_Entity: now .. how did you try to "migrate" ` |
| 10:57.15 | phix | Asmooh: try compiling zaptel-source from sarge, it fails hard because there are changes i INIT_SOMETHINGOROTHER() |
| 10:57.17 | idimmu | Asmooh: i dont think we've had to compile a kernel here in about 2-3 years .. |
| 10:57.29 | idimmu | its not 1997 any more :) |
| 10:57.35 | Asmooh | gheh |
| 10:57.35 | Perplexed_Entity | fireba11: by dd'ing the whole drive |
| 10:57.37 | Asmooh | phix, hmz |
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| 10:57.58 | Asmooh | i was thinking, i have one computer with only preinstalled kernels.. but thats osx ;) |
| 10:57.58 | Perplexed_Entity | i don't know of any other way, i don't want to lose my current install |
| 10:58.09 | nevyn | so I have a computer that has a monitor built into it. so they've used a VGA interconnect which is fine.. |
| 10:58.17 | fireba11 | Perplexed_Entity: you fixed bootloader ? |
| 10:58.27 | nevyn | but then they've hooked up the backlight control via the LVDS bit's of the video chip |
| 10:58.30 | nevyn | sigh |
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| 10:58.33 | Asmooh | idimmu, i know.. but i dont want miljons of modules and crap in my kernel |
| 10:58.33 | phix | Asmooh: yeah, the macro takes three arguments in pre 2.6.21, and two arguments in greater versions |
| 10:58.35 | Perplexed_Entity | fireba11: yeah, by manually feeding grub the proper parameters |
| 10:58.44 | idimmu | they dont all get loaded though |
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| 10:58.52 | Asmooh | phix, tried a newerone? from kernel.org? |
| 10:58.59 | idimmu | and disks are big enough to make the space a non issue |
| 10:59.06 | TeXnicer | Hi there, I freshly net-installed debian, now I need to look up an ADMtek driver, but cannot remember it... anyone can help? |
| 10:59.26 | phix | Asmooh: newer than 2.6.21, yes |
| 10:59.46 | Asmooh | idimmu, yea i know.. but when i dont recomple my computer feels slower, every pc i had |
| 10:59.50 | Perplexed_Entity | any ideas? |
| 10:59.51 | Asmooh | phix strange |
| 10:59.59 | phix | Asmooh: I tried it with 2.6.23.1 |
| 11:00.02 | phix | fail |
| 11:00.08 | phix | Asmooh: the testing version works though |
| 11:00.10 | Asmooh | 2.6.24.2 ? |
| 11:00.13 | idimmu | Asmooh: OCD :) |
| 11:00.20 | phix | Asmooh: havnt tried that vers |
| 11:00.22 | TeXnicer | Any way I can searn with modprobe? |
| 11:00.25 | jim | then all you have to do is edit the file to feed those parameters at every boot |
| 11:00.26 | TeXnicer | *search? |
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| 11:00.40 | Asmooh | the 2.6.18 till 2.6.24.1 have a root exploid in there kernels |
| 11:00.47 | phix | Asmooh: my issue is with my TDM400p card atm, trying to get that thing working |
| 11:00.48 | Perplexed_Entity | jim: i'd gladly do that, if it worked at all. |
| 11:00.57 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 11:01.05 | phix | Asmooh: nice, ho wdoes that happen? |
| 11:01.22 | jim | I thought you just said you could boot by altering parameters |
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| 11:01.31 | Perplexed_Entity | no, i can't |
| 11:01.42 | Asmooh | phix, dont know.. only thing i heard was.. compile a code and u get root access with normal account |
| 11:01.43 | Perplexed_Entity | i can boot by installing a fresh system tho' |
| 11:01.46 | jim | did you install? |
| 11:01.48 | busfahrer | Excuse me, here at my new workplace is a Debian 3.1 Server. It is running a basic setup of Apache2, Mysql4 and PHP with some websites and databasese already setup and in use. If I was to upgrade Debian to 4.0, how likely is it that breakage would occur? (Regarding these databases that are already in use, etc.) |
| 11:01.56 | Perplexed_Entity | yes, i did. |
| 11:01.58 | jim | so you did install |
| 11:02.09 | phix | Asmooh: nice, gimme :) |
| 11:02.11 | Perplexed_Entity | ...yes, i did. |
| 11:02.15 | Asmooh | i dont have it :) |
| 11:02.17 | TeXnicer | ar5212 is the lspci-name... how can I figure out the driver/module? |
| 11:02.27 | Asmooh | try google :) |
| 11:02.38 | jim | busfahrer: is this machine in production? |
| 11:02.46 | wols_ | !tell TeXnicer about madwifi |
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| 11:03.16 | busfahrer | jim: its not a problem if its down for 1 hour, but it's a problem if the websites or the database dont work (together) properly after the upgrade |
| 11:03.18 | damion | anybody using fluxbox? |
| 11:03.19 | wols_ | busfahrer: ever heard of something called "backup"? |
| 11:03.33 | wols_ | !tell damion about nayone |
| 11:03.37 | wols_ | !tell damion about anyone |
| 11:03.42 | Asmooh | phix when that guy is online and he still have it i'll upload it |
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| 11:04.17 | jim | busfahrer: so it is in production... I would take the production box into single user mode, and copy everything to a clean box which you use to test |
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| 11:04.39 | jim | if this is for your work, explain it to them |
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| 11:05.08 | jim | tell them things can happen if you don't test first |
| 11:05.13 | doff | how to deny access to nat postrouting in iptables if Internet is shared for 192.168.55.255 net I need to block it for user with ip 192.168.55.104 for ex |
| 11:05.24 | TeXnicer | wols... OMG yes... |
| 11:05.29 | damion | ok, im using i just installed fluxbox, but the application windows i open are themed differently |
| 11:05.43 | damion | how can i get them to match the fluxbox theme? |
| 11:05.50 | TeXnicer | wols_: but modprobe madwifi doesnt work =( |
| 11:05.56 | busfahrer | ok thanks jim |
| 11:06.03 | damion | they appear to be using the theme i have setup with gnome |
| 11:06.06 | damion | and i use gdm |
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| 11:06.17 | petemc | doff: iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.55.104 -o eth0 -j DROP |
| 11:06.34 | doff | petemc, thx I |
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| 11:06.37 | doff | 'll try |
| 11:06.51 | TeXnicer | wols_: ? |
| 11:07.05 | broadcaster | hi. how can i repair my shadow passwd file? addgroup / gpasswd sais, it can't open the shadow file. :( |
| 11:07.38 | jim | why can't it open it? |
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| 11:07.48 | broadcaster | should i maybe just dpkg-reconfigure passwd? |
| 11:07.53 | broadcaster | jim: i don't know. :( |
| 11:07.58 | wols_ | TeXnicer: read the factoid more carefully |
| 11:08.00 | jim | first step: find out |
| 11:08.12 | broadcaster | erm... where is it...? |
| 11:08.17 | TeXnicer | damion: I use fluxbox, why? |
| 11:08.37 | damion | my applications dont match my fluxbox theme |
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| 11:08.40 | wols_ | broadcaster: /etc |
| 11:08.44 | damion | they are staying with my gnome theme |
| 11:08.51 | damion | any idea how to fix that? |
| 11:09.06 | DarenM | damion> your application use the GTK theme |
| 11:09.08 | DarenM | s* |
| 11:09.11 | broadcaster | well, there's passwd and passwd-, and they seem to contain hashes |
| 11:09.29 | TeXnicer | wols_: #) had to figure out my irssi opened a new window. thx |
| 11:09.41 | TeXnicer | wols_: I hoped it was already with the install |
| 11:09.43 | DarenM | damion> but the outter edges of your windows and such will be drawn with fluxbox |
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| 11:09.56 | broadcaster | if they contain hashes, i guess there IS no shadow file... |
| 11:10.02 | simonrvn | phix: yeh, that sort of crap can get you banned in these parts |
| 11:10.03 | damion | thats what im saying darenm, they arent matching |
| 11:10.05 | broadcaster | which shouldn't be btw |
| 11:10.27 | damion | no matter what fluxbox theme i select, the windows look as they did with gnome |
| 11:11.08 | broadcaster | right guess, there is no /etc/shadow |
| 11:11.24 | DarenM | damion> when you say the windows look the same do you mean the outter parts like the minimize and maximize buttons? or do you mean within the window? |
| 11:11.33 | damion | outter edges |
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| 11:12.06 | DarenM | damion> and you select your fluxbox theme through right click? |
| 11:12.18 | damion | yes |
| 11:12.26 | DarenM | damion> and nothing happens? |
| 11:12.45 | damion | hold on let me log out again |
| 11:12.46 | broadcaster | funny, i don't even have shadow installed. then what does addgroup have to do with shadow? |
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| 11:13.45 | jim | broadcaster: what does uname -r say |
| 11:13.56 | damion | sorry im an idiot. it IS working properly |
| 11:14.48 | broadcaster | jim: i have 2.6.24.1, why? |
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| 11:15.12 | tarzeau | !debconf |
| 11:15.12 | dpkg | Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html |
| 11:15.15 | jim | what does uname -r say -exactly- |
| 11:15.19 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 11:15.19 | dpkg | debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:15.25 | broadcaster | jim: 2.6.24.1 |
| 11:15.42 | jim | hmm, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:15.46 | broadcaster | lol |
| 11:15.57 | broadcaster | lenny/sid |
| 11:16.05 | anabain | please, i need some help! I've restarted the PC and it won't boot, instead of grub there is an infinite loop of this: "syntax error incorrect command". Any ideas? |
| 11:16.22 | jim | so you running sid? |
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| 11:16.43 | broadcaster | jim: AFAIK i'm running testing, i don't remember the names ATM |
| 11:16.55 | broadcaster | anabain: get a knoppix-cd, reinstall grub |
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| 11:17.20 | anabain | ok |
| 11:17.24 | broadcaster | my sources.list says i have testing |
| 11:17.26 | jim | josus! |
| 11:17.31 | broadcaster | ? |
| 11:18.00 | jim | ok, what happens if you dpkg --configure --pending |
| 11:18.15 | broadcaster | nothing, all done |
| 11:18.20 | broadcaster | i just ran an update last night |
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| 11:18.35 | xushi | how big is a knoppix cd? isn't the gentoo minimal install cd smaller? |
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| 11:18.39 | jim | and that update has caused your shadow to disappear? |
| 11:18.40 | crumblenaut | hi, if all kernels in lilo.conf aren't booting, is there a way to edit lilo.conf and re-run /sbin/lilo from the busybox emergency shell? |
| 11:18.43 | broadcaster | oh, i also have debian-multimedia as a deb entry, but i guess they don't deliver passwd-related packages |
| 11:18.48 | xushi | oh sorry, i thought i was in #gentoo |
| 11:18.50 | tarzeau | xushi: i like the gnustep one best |
| 11:18.54 | crumblenaut | if not im in sh*t :) |
| 11:19.21 | broadcaster | jim: i am not sure, it might have been file system corruption due to a series of kernel crashes... (shouldn't use gcc-4.2, duh...) |
| 11:19.24 | joanne^^ | so i've always used rsync to transfer files from my torrent seedbox to my home server farm. is there an advantage to running rsync as a daemon? i'm generally downloading, eg rsync -trv --progress machinename:foo . the command doesn't change, only the contents. is a daemon better for this? |
| 11:20.13 | broadcaster | crumblenaut: try a knoppix-cd, re-install lilo or install grub |
| 11:20.22 | joltcan | joanne^^: Doesn't matter. I guess using it standalone is fine because then it defaults to go over ssh |
| 11:20.56 | joltcan | joanne^^: rsync daemon is nice if you, like I, want to backup a specific system path on another machine. Then I do auth and decide on with path I would like to allow read-only access to on my remote system |
| 11:21.14 | joanne^^ | joltcan: my guess is actually that the encryption slows it down slightly? encryption is not necessary for this application as the data isn't secure |
| 11:21.48 | joltcan | joanne^^: Well, you can modify your .ssh/config to set a faster encryption scheme to that host |
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| 11:22.02 | broadcaster | so, i might have to re-install the package that contains shadow/the shadow-passwd-file... but i couldnt find any packages containing "shadow" in testing except mudnames (???) |
| 11:22.19 | damion | texnicer, do you use any custom fluxbox themes? |
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| 11:22.45 | joltcan | joanne^^: ...and you don't have to open up another hole in the firewall for the remote machine running rsyncd, but it is always about what you want to solv |
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| 11:23.40 | joanne^^ | i'm considering actually permitting anonymous rsync access to this particular path, because of the nature of the data. not that anyone would actually use it. |
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| 11:23.42 | jim | broadcaster: to tell you the truth this is sorta scary because if this thing is reproducable it's not a good thing... |
| 11:24.14 | broadcaster | jim: just compile a 2.6.24-kernel with gcc-4.2 and you will get funny freezes. you might need iwl3945 to be sure... |
| 11:24.20 | jim | the data has a natural nature?? |
| 11:24.23 | anabain | broadcaster, the problem is that I have grub2, and now it seems to be a "transitional dummy package" (http://packages.debian.org/sid/grub2). If it doesn'e work, which package should I install? |
| 11:24.39 | joltcan | joanne^^: Well, then rsyncd is a solution |
| 11:24.41 | pbn | fireba11: yes but, there is an exploit... |
| 11:25.08 | broadcaster | anabain: you have to install grub to your boot-sector, not only the package. read man grub-install, man update-grub, man menu.lst |
| 11:25.13 | jim | broadcaster: you might have to rebuild the entire user database |
| 11:25.18 | TeXnicer | damion: I love blued |
| 11:25.26 | TeXnicer | that's all i need |
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| 11:25.33 | TeXnicer | never tried to change by hand |
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| 11:25.53 | damion | where do you browse for new themes? and how do you install them? |
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| 11:26.16 | broadcaster | jim: that's ok, i was expecting evil stuff already due to bizarre mass storage problem (which appears only if one certai usr is logged on and has nothing to do with his /home/username dir) |
| 11:26.22 | broadcaster | jim: so... how do i do that? |
| 11:26.38 | broadcaster | and btw - why can i still set passwords? |
| 11:26.47 | broadcaster | but not change group-membership? |
| 11:26.54 | jim | that would be an interesting questoin |
| 11:26.59 | Coke | I have LISTEN 192.168.0.143 in /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess but there's no X11 listening when I look at netstat -lt, how can I make xdm listen for queries for remote logins? |
| 11:27.06 | jim | you need to find out the answer to that |
| 11:27.16 | broadcaster | hmm.... |
| 11:27.22 | jim | maybe you never needed shadow in the first place |
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| 11:27.44 | jim | but I'm not totally sure why that would be |
| 11:27.58 | joltcan | Coke: I really don't have a straight answer, but isn't that something that needs to be configured in xdm.conf as well? |
| 11:28.20 | broadcaster | jim: it should be possible to re-install the user-db by re-installing one of the basic packages, shouldn't it? |
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| 11:28.55 | jim | I don't know the answer to that |
| 11:28.56 | Coke | joltcan: ah, no Xservers. it has -nolisten tcp by default |
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| 11:29.11 | jim | it depends on what's wrong |
| 11:29.15 | jim | I don't run testing |
| 11:29.31 | jim | so I don't know it |
| 11:29.39 | broadcaster | well, there are *some* things in testing, you might expect to work actually ;) |
| 11:29.47 | jim | consequently.... things don't change much for me |
| 11:29.57 | jim | btw, how important is this box? |
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| 11:30.30 | broadcaster | it's my primary system, my notebook |
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| 11:30.59 | jim | ok, do you have complete backup of it you can restore? |
| 11:31.19 | broadcaster | ha, i found the shadow-file in a backup! |
| 11:31.39 | jim | wow |
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| 11:31.49 | broadcaster | regular backups ... |
| 11:31.56 | jim | you're the -first- person who has ever said yes to "do I backup" |
| 11:32.13 | jim | and I've been on this net since it started |
| 11:32.28 | broadcaster | *g* |
| 11:32.40 | DarenM | how can I change the nautilus mime type icons? |
| 11:32.41 | TeXnicer | how can I figure out my needed linux-sourves? |
| 11:32.48 | jim | and before that, openprojects.net |
| 11:32.53 | jim | since -it- started |
| 11:32.59 | TeXnicer | apt-get install kernel-sources-$(uname -r) doesnt work |
| 11:32.59 | DarenM | TeXnicer> uname -r |
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| 11:33.17 | DarenM | TeXnicer> then find the sources that match yourkernel |
| 11:33.24 | joltcan | !nvidia |
| 11:33.24 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 11:33.26 | TeXnicer | Thats my question |
| 11:33.29 | broadcaster | i can even find out the date, after which the shadow file was gone, i suspect it was when i changed my hdd and copied everything (but...) |
| 11:33.40 | TeXnicer | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 11:34.01 | joltcan | TeXnicer: vidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed |
| 11:34.05 | joltcan | darn |
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| 11:34.08 | DarenM | TeXnicer> open up synaptic and search for kernel-sources |
| 11:34.15 | joltcan | TeXnicer: nevermind, I have to solve my paste issues :/ |
| 11:34.24 | TeXnicer | I have: netinstall... |
| 11:34.24 | broadcaster | scary, it's gone since january already... o.O |
| 11:35.13 | jim | broadcaster: add many users or groups since january? |
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| 11:35.26 | joltcan | linux-image-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` |
| 11:35.33 | upsilon | hello; how can I generate sha1 digests in the Release file using reprepro? |
| 11:35.34 | joltcan | That whould have worked for apt-get install |
| 11:35.37 | TeXnicer | DarenM: synaptic isnt installed |
| 11:35.55 | TeXnicer | i try |
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| 11:36.30 | broadcaster | jim: no, i think there's no problem with restoring that file. except that it might be out of sync with /etc/passwd then... |
| 11:36.33 | xored | what network driver to use with MCP61 Ethernet ? |
| 11:36.47 | TeXnicer | joltcan: hm negative |
| 11:36.57 | TeXnicer | while uname -r appends 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 11:37.00 | jim | exactly why I asked the question :) |
| 11:37.35 | jim | you probably need these files from your backup, all in /etc: passwd shadow group gshadow |
| 11:37.53 | broadcaster | ok |
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| 11:37.55 | TeXnicer | hm.. linux-image seems to be installed |
| 11:38.14 | Laibsch | Hey guys, anybody have an idea why "update-grub" creates a menu.lst with the oldest kernel first? There must be some config option I am overlooking, it works on another system |
| 11:38.23 | joltcan | TeXnicer: I guess it is always better to do a "apt-cache search ^linux-image" to see the options, and then use "uname -r" to get the right one |
| 11:38.58 | xored | in which package is lsmod located? |
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| 11:39.53 | jim | module-init-tools? |
| 11:40.43 | joltcan | xored: packages.debian.org has those kinds of answers to you |
| 11:40.51 | xored | joltcan: ok, thank you |
| 11:40.55 | xored | jim: thank you |
| 11:41.02 | yang | Has 2.6.22-6.lenny1 kernel a fixed missing access checks (recent bug) ? |
| 11:41.04 | |DuReX| | when i try to telnet to a irc server, i get telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 11:41.10 | xored | joltcan: was just trying my luck with apt-cache search but thats not working |
| 11:41.14 | |DuReX| | while i can do it perfectly on my computer ... :s |
| 11:41.19 | |DuReX| | any id what could block it ? :s |
| 11:41.19 | jim | xored: now say your third last thing to yourself :) |
| 11:41.20 | joltcan | |DuReX|: using the right port? |
| 11:41.23 | |DuReX| | yes |
| 11:41.31 | |DuReX| | as it is working from here :s |
| 11:41.51 | jim | err nm, actually misread who said it, it was joltcan's last |
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| 11:42.43 | joltcan | |DuReX|: hard to say. Iptables? A firewall? A wrong route? |
| 11:43.14 | upsilon | noone can help me with reprepro? |
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| 11:43.29 | |DuReX| | joltcan: i have no iptables/firewall |
| 11:43.43 | |DuReX| | and telnetting to same server but port 6669 works ... :s |
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| 11:44.10 | jim | !info reprepro |
| 11:44.16 | dpkg | reprepro: (Debian package repository producer), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 291 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 11:44.35 | jim | !info reprepro etch |
| 11:44.39 | dpkg | reprepro: (debian package repository producer), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.3.1+1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 202 kB, Installed size: 500 kB |
| 11:45.18 | joltcan | |DuReX|: tcptraceroute server 6667 then |
| 11:45.23 | jim | it has documentation, no? |
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| 11:46.27 | joltcan | upsilon: I have no idea what it does, but I'll figure it has some hints in /usr/share/doc/reprepro/README.Debian just like all other debian programs |
| 11:46.31 | |DuReX| | Tracing the path to irc.config.no (213.158.233.60) on TCP port 6667 (ircd), 30 hops max |
| 11:46.31 | |DuReX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.31 | |DuReX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.32 | |DuReX| | lol :s |
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| 11:46.45 | upsilon | jim: sure, but It don't generates sha1 digests; documentation say nothing about it. I'm wondering if someone with more experience can help me |
| 11:46.46 | |DuReX| | sorry |
| 11:46.47 | joltcan | <3 |
| 11:48.00 | jim | upsilon: if it doesn't generate those digests and the documentation says nothing about it, these facts when put together suggests the program doesn't do that |
| 11:50.03 | upsilon | jim: yes, I only want to be sure that it's not my fault before drop this program :\ |
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| 11:50.53 | |DuReX| | joltcan: 1 192.168.0.1 0.330 ms 0.218 ms 0.358 ms |
| 11:50.57 | |DuReX| | 2 * * * |
| 11:51.13 | |DuReX| | means 192.168.0.1 is blocking it or the next ? |
| 11:51.23 | jim | upsilon: do you need that capability? |
| 11:52.07 | joltcan | |DuReX|: If it stops there it seems that after 192... it stops. Seems a bit strange with an internal IP when you have a public on the machine |
| 11:52.40 | Gyde | how do I unlock a file which is F_SETLK locked? there is no process running |
| 11:53.56 | upsilon | jim: unfortunately ... yes :( |
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| 11:54.34 | jim | I'd find another way to do the same thing |
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| 11:55.08 | acidfu__ | someone know where I can get sgml2html |
| 11:55.22 | acidfu__ | sgmtools is the worst junk ever made on heart after mcdonal |
| 11:55.28 | acidfu__ | earth |
| 11:55.56 | jim | so mcdonalds is the worst? |
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| 11:56.42 | acidfu__ | :) |
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| 11:57.08 | upsilon | jim: I can create the repository using reprepro, then run apt-ftparchive and get sha(1|256) sed-ing 'em on the Release file ... but It's a really quick and *dirty* hack :\ |
| 11:57.35 | jim | upsilon: does it create a correct archive? |
| 11:57.57 | upsilon | jim: yes, usable with apt |
| 11:57.57 | acidfu__ | jim, yeah... even if actually I would sell my kidney for a bigmac ... I'm sick of the 3 tibetan choices here |
| 11:58.42 | jim | upsilon: here's what I will suggest... use that hack now, and find something that does what you want after |
| 11:58.50 | jim | (in other words... |
| 11:59.11 | jim | factor the problem into two pieces: one you solve now, the other you solve later) |
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| 11:59.24 | upsilon | jim: ok thx for hints :) |
| 11:59.29 | broadcaster | jim: restoring the backup did it and also fixed the bizarre mass storage problem |
| 11:59.47 | jim | oh good :) |
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| 12:00.16 | anabain | In order to (re)install grub to the boot sector of the hdd, is this the correct command for a sata drive?: # grub-install /dev/sda |
| 12:00.39 | jim | everyone: LISTEN to that... a -disaster- was -solved- because the person had a -backup- |
| 12:01.08 | EvolutionCrazy | Hi, can someone point me on how to get a kernel >= 2.6.23 on debian etch? :( |
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| 12:01.28 | jim | is "/dev/sda" "a sata drive"? |
| 12:01.32 | liable | backups? how novel! |
| 12:01.45 | jim | yeah, novel netware, that's novel too |
| 12:01.54 | anabain | jim, yes |
| 12:02.21 | jim | can the bios boot from that drive? (btw, answer is yes) |
| 12:02.38 | anabain | another thing: I need to enter with a live-cd and chroot, then proceed to install grub, ok? |
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| 12:03.34 | jim | dunno how well that will work, but you can try it |
| 12:04.35 | upsilon | jim: I got it (if you mind): collectnewchecksums (Versions prior to 3.3 did only store md5sums, 3.3 added sha1) |
| 12:04.44 | upsilon | my reprepro is too old ... |
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| 12:05.16 | joltcan | jim: It can be a sata or scsi drive or even usb. Depends on what the driver emulates it to be |
| 12:05.17 | jim | ahh, cool... I think etch had 1.something |
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| 12:08.05 | DarenM | I use fluxbox but I want to still have the gnome screen saver and power settings applied is all of this part of gnome panel? what command should I add to my fluxbox startup so I can those settings? |
| 12:08.21 | DarenM | have* |
| 12:10.52 | jim | probably you |
| 12:10.57 | streuner | How about to just use xscreensaver? |
| 12:11.08 | streuner | !info xscreensaver |
| 12:11.14 | dpkg | xscreensaver: (Automatic screensaver for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 5.04-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4003 kB, Installed size: 10108 kB |
| 12:11.20 | jim | would have to use a fluxbox that was built to be aware of gnome |
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| 12:12.41 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 12:13.08 | SamuraiDio | can someone suggest a simple, easy, and small gtkk bittorrent client? |
| 12:14.25 | damion | my computer has 2 hard drives installed but i only seem able to access one of them. can somoene help me access it? |
| 12:14.46 | petemc | SamuraiDio: transmission |
| 12:14.58 | SamuraiDio | thanks |
| 12:15.00 | gordonjcp | damion: have you mounted the second drive? |
| 12:15.13 | damion | i havent done anything. i assumed it would auto mount |
| 12:15.45 | DarenM | streuner> cause then i dont get the power settings, like auto dim for my lcd ect. |
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| 12:16.34 | streuner | well, you could gnome-panel in fluxbox too :-) |
| 12:16.38 | streuner | use* |
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| 12:17.10 | damion | should i "mount /dev.hdb /mount/point" ? |
| 12:17.33 | idimmu | no that wont work you need a / and not a . |
| 12:17.43 | RaymondX | what's the lightest browser in the debian repos? epiphany? |
| 12:17.55 | damion | when i installed debian and partitioned the disk it indicated a mount point of /home so i assumed it would auto mount there |
| 12:17.57 | streuner | links or lynx? |
| 12:17.59 | damion | is that not right? |
| 12:18.00 | jim | where do you want it to be mounted? and do you want it there permanently? |
| 12:18.22 | jim | and it's not mounting on /home? |
| 12:18.30 | pbn | ok, when do we get fixed binary kernels for etch ? |
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| 12:18.48 | damion | id like it if every time i booted, i could browse the drive from the desktop |
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| 12:19.09 | damion | i guess its not mounting at all. there are no drives in the /home |
| 12:19.32 | jim | look in your /etc/fstab |
| 12:19.39 | jim | is there an entry for it? |
| 12:20.41 | damion | i see sdb1 and hdb1. im gussing that the partition and the device right? |
| 12:20.59 | jim | mounted where? |
| 12:21.12 | DarenM | lol what the hell..in nibbles i can go through walls |
| 12:21.55 | jim | nibbles nobble but dhey fon't dall town |
| 12:21.56 | damion | sb1= /home hdb= /media/cdrom |
| 12:22.16 | DarenM | omg i am invincible.. |
| 12:22.19 | DarenM | this is sweet. |
| 12:22.28 | damion | that makes no sense, its a scsi disk drive |
| 12:22.31 | damion | hard disk |
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| 12:22.48 | DarenM | jim> lol |
| 12:23.30 | jim | damion: any line in /etc/fstab mention /home |
| 12:23.36 | jim | if so |
| 12:23.39 | jim | show that line |
| 12:24.14 | damion | /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 12:24.28 | jim | ok, df /home |
| 12:24.33 | damion | df? |
| 12:24.36 | jim | show just the last line |
| 12:24.38 | jim | yep |
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| 12:24.59 | damion | /dev/sdb1 17639220 334800 16408400 2% /home |
| 12:25.07 | jim | so it is mounted |
| 12:25.28 | damion | when i browse my file system, obviously thats hda |
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| 12:25.38 | damion | but i cant see where i can browse hdb |
| 12:25.42 | damion | or, sdb rather |
| 12:25.58 | jim | it doesn't work that way in linux/unix... it works kinda that way in dos/win |
| 12:26.32 | damion | for instance, how would i create a directory on that 2nd drive? |
| 12:26.49 | jim | you wouldn't. don't worry what drive is where after you boot |
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| 12:27.04 | jim | you make a directory in your filesystem |
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| 12:27.16 | jim | which is composed of many disk volumes |
| 12:27.52 | jim | any time you're anywhere in /home, you're in sdb1 (but you do NOT have to know that) |
| 12:28.11 | damion | ah |
| 12:28.30 | damion | so for example, my desktop and everything in it is in sdb1? |
| 12:29.17 | jim | anything in /home automatically uses either the drive mounted on / (IF no drive on /home, but for you that's not true) OR the drive on /home (which you -do- have) |
| 12:29.19 | jim | right. |
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| 12:29.28 | jim | and this has certain advantages |
| 12:29.45 | jim | say you had (or even just wanted) to reinstall linux |
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| 12:30.06 | jim | you could do that and NOT format /dev/sdb1 |
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| 12:30.38 | jim | then anything in user's home directories (which happen to be... guess where... /home) |
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| 12:30.52 | jim | will be in that partition |
| 12:31.36 | damion | i guess my worry is this. each drive is only 18gb. so if i start installing lots of music and movies into my /home will i only have 18GB to use even though i have more like 30GB available? |
| 12:31.48 | jim | so, in deciding to put /dev/sdb1 on /home, you've made the decision that sdb1 will always be your home dirs |
| 12:31.54 | damion | i see the advantage you mean. i can reinstall the os and keep all my /home stuff |
| 12:32.10 | jim | right |
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| 12:32.58 | upsilon | jim: I can confirm now; I compiled reprepro cvs version (v3.3) and it also creates SHA1 digests |
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| 12:33.13 | damion | OHHHH |
| 12:33.15 | damion | geez |
| 12:33.16 | damion | so |
| 12:33.21 | damion | on hda |
| 12:33.48 | |DuReX| | is there a console http client |
| 12:33.53 | |DuReX| | with javascript support ? |
| 12:33.57 | damion | i have sda1 and sda5. i think sda5 is swap. i can i check how big sda1 is? |
| 12:34.03 | damion | i think thats where the OS is |
| 12:34.04 | jim | javascript? probably no |
| 12:34.49 | jim | damion: yes, where we can talk about the os as all the libs and all the programs you use, as well as the kernel |
| 12:34.53 | damion | ha! i did df / |
| 12:34.57 | jim | probably all that stuff is on hda |
| 12:35.04 | damion | it looks like about 17GB |
| 12:35.08 | damion | on sda1 |
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| 12:35.51 | damion | so if i were smart, id partition that space and use it like im using sdb1 right? |
| 12:35.57 | damion | mount it at /home |
| 12:36.10 | jim | you could do that yes |
| 12:36.22 | damion | gotcha. i should have made 3 partitions on hda |
| 12:36.30 | damion | swap, system and free space |
| 12:36.35 | damion | i only have 2 |
| 12:36.36 | jim | as it stands sdb1 is a permanent part of your system |
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| 12:37.17 | damion | if i cant retroactivly partition hda, i can reinstall debian and all my programs will stay on sdb1? |
| 12:37.40 | jim | partitioning for unix/linux servers, that will use lots of partitions |
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| 12:37.59 | jim | what kind of filesystem is on hda? |
| 12:38.15 | jim | you're really using hda and not hda1? |
| 12:38.47 | damion | i think sda1 is ext3 and sda5 is swap |
| 12:39.09 | damion | afaik they arent numbered. drive one is hda and drive two is hdb |
| 12:39.11 | jim | oh ok |
| 12:39.21 | jim | wait |
| 12:39.35 | jim | sda? sdb? hda? hdb? |
| 12:39.44 | jim | what you got anyway? :) |
| 12:39.59 | jim | doesn't matter that much, it seems to be working |
| 12:40.08 | damion | i thought sd was the partition on hd |
| 12:40.54 | jim | no, hd is ide drives, sd is drives using the scsi subsystem (which could also be usb connected externals) |
| 12:41.05 | damion | AHHH |
| 12:41.06 | damion | ok |
| 12:41.12 | damion | hdb is my cdrom then lol |
| 12:41.12 | jim | and also sata uses scsi subsystem |
| 12:41.16 | martian67 | jim, |
| 12:41.20 | martian67 | they changed it again |
| 12:41.28 | martian67 | sata is now hd* again |
| 12:41.30 | martian67 | :/ |
| 12:41.32 | damion | sda is the 1st scsi |
| 12:41.35 | damion | sdb is the other |
| 12:41.41 | damion | got it got it -D |
| 12:41.43 | jim | oh ok |
| 12:41.59 | jim | so sata doesn't use scsi subsystem? as of what kernel? |
| 12:42.29 | damion | no, they are actually old scsi drives |
| 12:42.29 | damion | lol |
| 12:43.03 | martian67 | jim, it never dud |
| 12:43.03 | damion | oh, nm |
| 12:43.05 | martian67 | did |
| 12:43.13 | martian67 | it just used the sd* assignment |
| 12:43.15 | jim | checking |
| 12:43.21 | jelly | martian67: really (hd* again)? Well, fuck them! |
| 12:43.24 | martian67 | because they didnt know a better place to put it |
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| 12:43.27 | jim | that's the scsi subsystem |
| 12:43.31 | martian67 | jelly, yea its tarded |
| 12:43.31 | damion | i feel like i learned something today |
| 12:43.34 | damion | thanks jim |
| 12:43.40 | jim | welcome |
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| 12:43.48 | martian67 | i wish they would stop fucking switching it |
| 12:43.57 | jelly | martian67: I switched to using labels last time they did that. |
| 12:44.00 | Damsdu44 | !seen pandaOr |
| 12:44.01 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'pandaor', Damsdu44 |
| 12:44.08 | jim | if they stop switching it, will they be fucking it? |
| 12:45.31 | damion | next i have to figure out why youtube videos are so choppy, but thats another day |
| 12:45.37 | jim | yeah, mine is standard etch kernel and using sd* for sata |
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| 12:45.48 | martian67 | newest kernel from kernel.org |
| 12:46.06 | jim | oh, I'll stay right where I'm at for now |
| 12:46.46 | jim | damion: at some point you should look into these things called uuids for identifying partitions |
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| 12:47.27 | martian67 | i say they should have just made a new node |
| 12:47.32 | martian67 | called ST |
| 12:47.34 | martian67 | or something |
| 12:47.40 | jim | there is st already |
| 12:47.40 | martian67 | its stupid to keep switching it |
| 12:47.53 | martian67 | sata then |
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| 12:48.06 | jim | yeah, st is scsi tape |
| 12:48.18 | martian67 | sataa |
| 12:48.20 | martian67 | satab |
| 12:48.23 | martian67 | etc |
| 12:48.40 | jim | satadoo and wannadoo |
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| 12:48.55 | martian67 | i think they are out of major/minor numbers though |
| 12:49.06 | martian67 | udev is required for some newer drivers |
| 12:49.09 | jim | those are wider now |
| 12:49.17 | martian67 | you cant create static nodes for them |
| 12:49.20 | jim | aren't they? |
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| 12:50.17 | jim | damion: another thing you should consider doing is look at your / and find out the purpose of every item in that dir |
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| 12:51.22 | jim | like, what's / for first of all, but then what's /bin for, what's /lib for, what's /usr for, what's /tmp for, also /etc /var /boot |
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| 12:53.55 | JarekMk | ih |
| 12:53.57 | JarekMk | hi' |
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| 12:54.15 | jim | olleh |
| 12:54.19 | jim | errm, |
| 12:54.21 | jim | hello |
| 12:54.21 | JarekMk | does anybody use KDMTheme? |
| 12:54.32 | jim | never tried it |
| 12:54.38 | jim | not personally anyway |
| 12:54.46 | Maulkin | !anyone |
| 12:54.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:54.47 | JarekMk | when I try use this my kde crash ;/ |
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| 12:55.21 | JarekMk | Maulkin: sorry, my bad |
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| 12:56.57 | Maulkin | What do you mean by crash? |
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| 12:57.49 | IronManMario | yello |
| 12:58.09 | jim | arguello |
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| 12:58.41 | clamiax | Does anyone use fdm with IMAP at Gmail? |
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| 12:59.07 | jim | !sicco |
| 12:59.08 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 13:00.21 | clamiax | it's quite sicco: does anyone or not (y/n)? |
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| 13:00.37 | jim | !anyone use |
| 13:00.38 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:00.44 | jim | !anyone |
| 13:00.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:00.53 | clamiax | it's a wrong rule |
| 13:01.03 | clamiax | my "real" question is if anyone use or not |
| 13:01.07 | clamiax | no other questions |
| 13:01.17 | clamiax | both rules are wrong. |
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| 13:01.20 | jim | popcon |
| 13:01.24 | jim | !popcon |
| 13:01.24 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 13:01.38 | clamiax | useless |
| 13:01.42 | clamiax | useless at all. |
| 13:01.53 | clamiax | jim: you should learn english rather than !cmd. |
| 13:02.00 | petemc | clamiax: i dont use it! |
| 13:02.04 | petemc | does that help? |
| 13:02.06 | jim | que? |
| 13:02.09 | clamiax | petemc: sure |
| 13:02.24 | clamiax | petemc: will be much helpful if anyone use it |
| 13:02.35 | clamiax | i only would know if it's possible *not* how to do it |
| 13:02.36 | petemc | well , it seems they dont |
| 13:03.05 | clamiax | petemc: you should talk for you and only for you, i guess. |
| 13:03.13 | jim | clamiax: I know you have other curiousity than just does someone use it. if not, then my question is: |
| 13:03.16 | jim | why? |
| 13:03.41 | clamiax | jim: because i'm nots ure it's possible but if someone use it then i have to change what i think |
| 13:04.01 | jim | what do you currently think? |
| 13:04.04 | clamiax | jim: so i'll try it again and again since i solve the problewm |
| 13:04.17 | clamiax | jim: that fdm couldn't work with IMAP at gmail |
| 13:04.42 | jim | !info fdm etch |
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| 13:04.55 | clamiax | ;) |
| 13:04.57 | jim | !info fdm |
| 13:05.00 | dpkg | fdm: (fetching, filtering and delivering emails), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 135 kB, Installed size: 344 kB |
| 13:05.11 | jim | !info fdm testing |
| 13:05.30 | jim | fdm is only in sid |
| 13:05.37 | ukh | ah, looks like 2.6.22-4 has trickled into etch-backports. s'posed to fix the vm_splice exploit for bpo people. we'll see... |
| 13:05.41 | clamiax | it's on fdm.sf.net too, indeed |
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| 13:06.17 | jim | well, yes, but if you care to zoom out, it would be on this channel among other sources of info |
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| 13:06.53 | jim | your question could be restated as "is it possible for me to get fdm working?" |
| 13:07.19 | clamiax | uhm.. not really |
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| 13:07.28 | jim | why not? |
| 13:07.38 | clamiax | to be precise it's "Is it possible to use fdm with IMAP at Gmail?" |
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| 13:07.57 | petemc | if fdm talks imap, why wouldnt it be? |
| 13:08.03 | nvde | could somebody instruct me how to run a chrooted debian with gnome on VT9? |
| 13:08.18 | clamiax | petemc: because Gmail talk a weird IMAP dialect |
| 13:08.34 | petemc | clamiax: ive not noticed that |
| 13:08.38 | clamiax | petemc: and also fdm doesn't seems to support SSL fingerprint |
| 13:08.54 | clamiax | petemc: ok |
| 13:09.06 | jim | clamiax: in that case, your question could be restated as "is it possible for fdm to talk the same dialect of imap that gmail uses" |
| 13:09.14 | petemc | jim: why dont you drop it? |
| 13:09.23 | clamiax | jim: my question could be restated as you want |
| 13:09.38 | clamiax | drop it? |
| 13:09.45 | clamiax | .. |
| 13:09.51 | clamiax | linux users... |
| 13:10.17 | jim | I'm suggesting that when you ask a question, you make it interesting for people, maybe otherwise they won't want to participate in your thinking without you sharing what it is |
| 13:10.44 | clamiax | jim: participate? |
| 13:10.49 | clamiax | You are missing the point |
| 13:10.59 | clamiax | i don't need help nor hints |
| 13:11.05 | petemc | you just want to argue |
| 13:11.07 | clamiax | i only would like to have a yes or not |
| 13:11.16 | clamiax | petemc: stfu, please |
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| 13:11.23 | clamiax | jim: can you make it much interesting? ;) |
| 13:11.25 | jim | oh, in that case install it yourself and find out. |
| 13:11.35 | clamiax | jim: of course i did |
| 13:11.37 | clamiax | oh |
| 13:11.38 | jim | that would be about as interesting as I can stand |
| 13:11.51 | clamiax | this discussion is pointeless and useless |
| 13:11.57 | clamiax | thx anyway for your (un)help |
| 13:12.13 | jim | !bad polls |
| 13:12.14 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
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| 13:12.39 | clamiax | .. |
| 13:12.59 | jim | at least now you know |
| 13:13.17 | clamiax | i alread know such idiots rules |
| 13:13.22 | clamiax | but thx anyway |
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| 13:15.02 | zamba | is there a way of determining wheather a precompiled library (.so file) will work for my architecture or not? |
| 13:15.11 | zamba | i believe it was originally compiled in a redhat environment |
| 13:15.42 | RaymondX | i installed fluxbox but it doesnt have any menus or icons. how can i solve this? |
| 13:15.44 | jim | zamba: you might have to look at its symbol table |
| 13:15.54 | zamba | jim: and how do i do that? |
| 13:16.07 | jim | probably using nm |
| 13:16.45 | zamba | getting out lots of data, but nothing that really tells me anything :) |
| 13:16.45 | jim | zamba: but you want the lib to work for you, am I right? |
| 13:17.00 | zamba | jim: yeah |
| 13:17.36 | jim | one sure way to do that is obtain its source and build; another is to see if the same lib is available for your arch/debian version and install that |
| 13:17.37 | zamba | libsqlbaseodbc.so.9.0.1.2.13770: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 13:17.40 | zamba | marius@pitcairn:/tmp/gupta$ |
| 13:17.49 | zamba | i haven't got the source code |
| 13:18.00 | zamba | damn gupta just releasing precompiled stuff |
| 13:19.08 | zamba | you've used some of their software? |
| 13:19.19 | zamba | i'm trying to speak to their sqlbase over tcp/ip using python and odbc |
| 13:19.22 | jim | I've played bass with him on drums :) |
| 13:19.24 | zamba | and for that i need that driver |
| 13:19.27 | zamba | hehe |
| 13:19.40 | chandor | RaymondX: /etc/X11/fluxbox |
| 13:19.49 | jim | most incredible experience, that guy is amazing drummer |
| 13:19.57 | zamba | OT! :) |
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| 13:21.01 | jim | ask him for the source |
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| 13:21.27 | RaymondX | chandor: i do a gdm stop then type /etc/X11/fluxbox ? |
| 13:21.30 | jim | what license are those rpms covered under? |
| 13:21.53 | tdn | I am trying to make a bootable USB key for installing Debian on a Fit-PC. I have followed http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en and zcat'ed http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz onto my USB device. But when I try to boot from the USB, I get "Boot error" and nothing happens. |
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| 13:23.27 | jim | zamba: maybe you could try the lib to see if it works... do you have precompiled executables which link against that lib? |
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| 13:24.07 | tdn | For some reason fdisk -l looks very wierd on the USB device: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1066.html, any ideas? |
| 13:24.26 | jim | !any ideas |
| 13:24.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid dairy cows. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:24.48 | ConguitO | hola |
| 13:24.51 | chandor | RaymondX: no, read configs, they give simple instructions |
| 13:25.08 | tdn | jim, please tell me what's wrong with asking if anyone have an idea about what to do? |
| 13:25.45 | jim | the phrase "any ideas" seems overused, other than that, nothing :) |
| 13:25.54 | tdn | jim, ok. |
| 13:26.13 | jim | additionally... |
| 13:26.32 | chandor | RaymondX: /etc/X11/fluxbox/system.fluxbox-menu |
| 13:27.15 | jim | if you have ideas, or a history of what you've tried and for each thing, what you expected to happen and what actually happened, that would be helpful to folks who are willing to help |
| 13:27.17 | RaymondX | chandor: tnx |
| 13:28.26 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:28.39 | Ace2016 | how do i check the write speed of a hard disk? |
| 13:28.46 | Ace2016 | i mean the read speed |
| 13:28.52 | jim | one thing that would do is show that you want to participate in a discussion possibly resulting in the solution to your problem |
| 13:29.01 | jim | such discussions tend to be fun |
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| 13:29.33 | Cromag | Ace2016: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-fast-is-linux-sata-hard-disk.html |
| 13:29.39 | Cromag | Ace2016: maybe it can help |
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| 13:30.52 | grub | anyone know how to make gnome open child windows in the same window, and not as new ones? |
| 13:30.57 | Ace2016 | meh, external usb hard disks are slow :( |
| 13:31.13 | jelly | tdn: looks like the partition table is garbage |
| 13:31.22 | jim | well maybe the disks themselves are fast... |
| 13:31.43 | xored | which module i needed for Atheros PCIE Gigabit/ LAN |
| 13:31.54 | tdn | jim, I just wrote what I have tried. I also wrote what happened. And I guess it is implicit that what was supposed to happen is that it should boot the installer. |
| 13:32.03 | Ace2016 | what does this do? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null |
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| 13:32.10 | petemc | nothing |
| 13:32.25 | jim | tdn: "<jelly> tdn: looks like the partition table is garbage" |
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| 13:32.44 | tdn | jelly, ok. Do you know why it is garbage? I have done exactly as the documentation describes. |
| 13:33.46 | Ace2016 | looks like my plans for an ultra fast usb raid just came crashing down |
| 13:33.54 | tdn | jelly, jim: My USB storage unit is a 512MB Kingston Travelmate. I have also tried using a 4GB Sandisk Cruzer. |
| 13:34.15 | jelly | tdn: why would you expect a coherent partition table? |
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| 13:34.44 | jelly | tdn: it's possible the image you're using doesn't provide one, but just uses the whole device |
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| 13:35.08 | tdn | jelly, I have zcat'ed boot.img.gz onto /dev/sdb, and I think this image should contain everything needed to boot. Including working partition table. |
| 13:35.15 | Nostahl | how do i open a file browser with root privilages |
| 13:35.22 | tdn | jelly, that is possible. Yes. |
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| 13:35.36 | tdn | jelly, but then it should just boot, right? |
| 13:35.52 | jim | yeah, not sure if zcat is the right way |
| 13:35.54 | tdn | jelly, I just looked at the partition table, because I was wondering why it wasn't working. |
| 13:35.57 | jim | it should work |
| 13:36.09 | tdn | jim, the docs say zcat. |
| 13:36.12 | Nostahl | or can i just chmod a certian folder and it'll let me edit anything that is in it without root privilages? |
| 13:36.32 | sChaaa | hola |
| 13:36.36 | jim | but why not try using gzip to unpack the image, then use dd |
| 13:36.37 | ConguitO | hola |
| 13:36.57 | jelly | tdn: it doesn't contain a partition table, but it shouldn't matter. |
| 13:37.17 | tdn | jim, I'll try. But I'm not sure that is the problem. If I mount /dev/sdb right now. It "works". I can mount it and watch the files on it. It looks fine. |
| 13:37.28 | jim | me neither |
| 13:37.36 | jim | like you say, zcat should work |
| 13:37.44 | tdn | jelly, aha. So how should I debug this problem further? |
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| 13:37.57 | jim | maybe the image is bad, uncompressing it might find that out |
| 13:38.00 | jelly | tdn: (it = that image.) This invalid partition table is a red herring, yes |
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| 13:38.46 | jelly | jim: the image is made to be written of the device itself, it really doesn't contain a valid part.table |
| 13:38.54 | tdn | jelly, ok. So I can assume that the image is okay? |
| 13:39.03 | jelly | tdn: yes |
| 13:39.29 | tdn | jelly, ok. I actually thought so, but then I have no idea what to do to investigate the problem now. |
| 13:39.39 | jelly | tdn: if zcat didn't complain, it was at least proper gzip data. |
| 13:39.40 | tdn | jelly, because I thought it should Just Work(tm). |
| 13:39.47 | DawnLight | does ";; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet." when i do "host <some host>" mean that a dns server is borked? the dns server in this case is an adsl modem/router supplied by the isp |
| 13:39.49 | tdn | jelly, it did not complain. |
| 13:39.52 | jim | tdn: the fact of there not being a partition table is independent of whether the image is good or bad |
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| 13:40.43 | tdn | jim, yes. But why should the image be bad? It is the official boot.img.gz from the Debian site. I did not make this myself or anything. |
| 13:40.59 | jim | and zcat didn't complain |
| 13:41.12 | jim | that would tend to support the good-image theory |
| 13:41.28 | jim | howbout this: |
| 13:41.42 | jim | use gzip to uncompress the image, then run file on it |
| 13:41.51 | jelly | I just downloaded, ungzipped and loopback-deviced that image, and the p.table looks liek crap as well |
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| 13:42.27 | jim | you didn't write the partition table back after looking at it did you? :) |
| 13:42.28 | tdn | jim, boot.img: x86 boot sector, SYSLINUX bootloader (3.11), code offset 0x58, OEM-ID " mkdosfs", sectors/cluster 8, root entries 512, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/FAT 239, heads 64, sectors 489472 (volumes > 32 MB) , serial number 0xdeb00001, label: "Debian Inst", FAT (16 bit) |
| 13:42.38 | tdn | jim, nope. |
| 13:42.52 | error0237 | way these code not work the while not stop and the $x not change |
| 13:42.53 | error0237 | #!/bin/bash |
| 13:42.53 | error0237 | x=0 |
| 13:42.53 | error0237 | while [ $x != 5 ] |
| 13:42.53 | error0237 | do |
| 13:42.53 | error0237 | echo "https://www.sce.ac.il/Web_folder/Sexams/examstud/032711111/000$x a/full.pdf" |
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| 13:42.55 | tdn | jim, I only looked at the partition table, because it did not boot. |
| 13:44.13 | jim | tdn: that looks very promising |
| 13:44.28 | jim | what happens exactly when you try to boot |
| 13:44.39 | jelly | tdn: I have no idea why would it not boot. Maybe your BIOS doesn't like to boot from usb devices with weird partition tables. Maybe your usb device(s) somehow manage to corrupt the image |
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| 13:44.57 | docwiki | heya |
| 13:45.12 | jelly | tdn: you could verify whether the latter happened by reading the image back from the usb card |
| 13:45.32 | tdn | jim, I just get the message "Boot error". Then I tried doing an # install-mbr /dev/sdb, and then I get the error: "MBR 1234F:" and I type 1 for partition 1, but it does still not work. |
| 13:46.14 | broadcaster | damn, my udev-camera-problem is still not fully solved. even after repairing the user-db (which had wrong group entries btw, i.e. "hal" was member of the group "gdm" and stuff) the device nodes /dev/sda* are beeing removed when i start kde. it works with a different username or different GUI, though. |
| 13:46.41 | jelly | tdn: are you _positive_ you have to dump the image on the whole device, and not just on a partition on it? |
| 13:46.42 | broadcaster | there seems to be a udev event which tells udev to remove all scsi-devices |
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| 13:47.03 | jim | tdn: ok, so: you try to put the mbr thing on what, the usb device? |
| 13:47.13 | broadcaster | and it only occurs when user X logs on to KDE. i copied X's home-dir to a different location - didn't help |
| 13:47.15 | tdn | jelly, yes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en says: # zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 13:47.24 | jim | what is sda, btw? |
| 13:47.33 | broadcaster | Scsi Disk A |
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| 13:47.51 | tdn | jim, I did try to put the mbr on the usb device. But, as I mentioned, that did not help. |
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| 13:48.09 | cvw | What is the command to see which package owns a file? |
| 13:48.14 | jelly | tdn: ok. so if you dump it directly to the device, you should not mess with it using install-mbr. |
| 13:48.14 | broadcaster | pluggable devices are emulated as scsi-disks |
| 13:48.15 | jim | but it does help by indicating that the usb stick does boot |
| 13:48.41 | jim | right? |
| 13:49.01 | jelly | tdn: those instructions seem to do something wrong. :-| |
| 13:49.06 | tdn | jim, what do you mean? |
| 13:49.08 | tdn | jelly, ok? |
| 13:49.39 | jim | tdn: it's useful to know if the bios and the usb ports on the computer are capable of booting a usb storage device |
| 13:49.57 | jim | evidently, the answer to that is yes |
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| 13:50.12 | jim | which points at the image |
| 13:50.24 | iari | Help: I just installed Debian, I can't figure out or find any info about installing the network device. Not configuring the device, Installing it. at the moment I do not have any network devices found. although the laptop has wireless, onboard LAN & PCMCIA network card. |
| 13:50.26 | jim | or at the format of the image |
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| 13:51.10 | jelly | tdn: while this is not immediately clear, I believe that step with install-mbr should only be used if doing the "install on the first partition" |
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| 13:51.17 | jim | iari: ifconfig -a gives how many paragraphs? |
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| 13:51.25 | tdn | jelly, I have tried taking an md5sum of boot.img and of /dev/sdb, but naturally they do not match, because md5sum reads the entire device (also the not used sectors after the image) |
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| 13:51.38 | iari | jim: ifconfig gives nothing. |
| 13:51.42 | Bushmills | however the BIOS seems to attempt to boot from flash stick |
| 13:51.43 | pookey | hi all - can anyone suggest an apt source for PHP 5.2.4 or higher for Etch please? |
| 13:51.45 | jim | iari: ifconfig -a |
| 13:51.57 | tdn | jelly, hmm... Ok. But it did not work without install-mbr either. |
| 13:52.12 | jelly | tdn: dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.img count=61184 bs=4096 will give you only the first image-sized bytes of sdb in file sdb.img |
| 13:52.18 | chris_hat_irc | i have installed exim4 with the package: exim4-daemon-heavy, but it does not start with systemstart. |
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| 13:52.22 | jim | !backport |
| 13:52.22 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 13:52.25 | cvw | What is the command to see which package owns a file? |
| 13:52.27 | chris_hat_irc | how can i see where the problem is |
| 13:52.41 | tdn | jelly, of course! |
| 13:52.43 | joanne^^ | does the rsync package not come with an example rsyncd.conf? |
| 13:52.50 | jelly | tdn: then you can compare md5sums of ungzipped boot.img and sdb.img |
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| 13:52.59 | iari | jim: eth0,1,3,lo |
| 13:53.00 | tdn | jelly, yes. One moment. |
| 13:53.16 | jelly | tdn: but install-mbr would have messed it up |
| 13:53.18 | jim | iari: oh! you got stuff! |
| 13:53.24 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: does the init script work?# |
| 13:53.38 | tdn | jelly, the md5sum is a780c5cdbb7ed8d50305397e6278486e on both the image and on the device. |
| 13:53.43 | jim | iari: which implies you have drivers installed |
| 13:53.52 | jelly | tdn: so it's valid. |
| 13:54.00 | tdn | jelly, so I guess the USB device is not the problem. Note that I also did try this on a different USB key. |
| 13:54.05 | iari | jim: I used modconf to install them |
| 13:54.09 | jim | ok |
| 13:54.12 | jelly | tdn: conclusion, your bios doesn't like booting from that image |
| 13:54.29 | jim | so do you know which is which? |
| 13:54.40 | iari | jim: But how do I set them up so I don't get 'no network device found' under X ? |
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| 13:54.56 | iari | jim: no.. |
| 13:55.01 | jim | jelly: have you seen this before? |
| 13:55.07 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: how can i see if it works? |
| 13:55.13 | jim | where it would boot one thing but not another? |
| 13:55.21 | chris_hat_irc | does the package automatically installs the daemon? |
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| 13:55.25 | stmaher | hey everyone.. |
| 13:55.30 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 13:55.36 | stmaher | How do i check if a network interface is manually set to full duplex? |
| 13:55.38 | chris_hat_irc | that does work |
| 13:55.49 | tdn | jelly, Hmm... I have tried on both the Fit-PC and on my IBM Thinkpad T42 with same result. I have booted from USB devices on my Thinkpad before and it usually works. Also, I know that Fit-PC should be able to boot from USB. |
| 13:55.55 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: how did you ascertain it wasnt starting? |
| 13:56.05 | jim | iari: do you have a wired ethernet, possibly with a dhcp server and a dns? |
| 13:56.14 | tdn | jelly, you mentioned something about the docs being wrong somewhere? |
| 13:56.19 | jelly | tdn: I'd try reformatting the device with fdisk, creating a single partition type 06, and doing it the other way, starting from 4.4.2 |
| 13:56.20 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: when i reboot my system, the exim4 process isn't running |
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| 13:56.32 | iari | jim: Yep, Wired DHCP |
| 13:56.33 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: and no mails are recieved |
| 13:56.33 | tdn | jelly, ok. I'll try. |
| 13:56.45 | chandor | stmaher: ethtool |
| 13:56.56 | jelly | jim: no, but I've seen my share of crappy bioses |
| 13:57.15 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: ls -la /etc/rc?.d/S*exim* - does that output anything? |
| 13:57.20 | jim | iari: ok, hmm, let's find out what the pcmcia card is |
| 13:57.34 | iari | jim: But, Onboard is damaged, We must use either wireless or PCMCIA |
| 13:57.45 | iari | jim: OK let's |
| 13:57.46 | tdn | jelly, should the partition be marked as "Bootable"? |
| 13:57.49 | jim | what happens if you remove the card? ifconfig -a then does what? |
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| 13:57.53 | chris_hat_irc | yes |
| 13:58.08 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: shall i query you the output? |
| 13:58.12 | petemc | go for it |
| 13:58.14 | jim | do you hear it beep when you remove the card |
| 13:58.17 | iari | jim: eth3 is gone... :) |
| 13:58.17 | jelly | tdn: yes |
| 13:58.20 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 13:58.27 | jim | ok, inserting the card? |
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| 13:58.42 | iari | already did.. eth3 is back |
| 13:58.57 | jim | ok, we have a way to proceed |
| 13:59.03 | tdn | jelly, ok. Done. So now I just do: sudo cat boot.img > /dev/sdb1, right? |
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| 13:59.23 | martian67 | NO |
| 13:59.38 | martian67 | that will do bad things |
| 13:59.46 | tdn | martian67, huh? |
| 13:59.48 | stmaher | chandor, which switch specifically |
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| 13:59.59 | Bushmills | jim, maybe the usbkey bootstrap from syslinux helps. BIOS is set to "USB-HDD" I reckon? read the first few lines in usbkey.doc of syslinux, whether one of these apply to you. |
| 14:00.22 | jim | so plug in a cable to it, and let's see if your /etc/network/interfaces has entries for eth3 |
| 14:00.31 | stmaher | chandor, the man page isnt very clear |
| 14:00.33 | iari | it's empty |
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| 14:00.48 | jim | ok, put the following lines into it: |
| 14:00.54 | jim | auto lo |
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| 14:01.09 | chandor | stmaher: e.g., ethtool eth0 |
| 14:01.14 | jim | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 14:01.28 | jim | then skip a line to make it readable |
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| 14:01.49 | jim | allow-hotplug eth3 |
| 14:01.58 | jim | auto eth3 |
| 14:02.15 | jim | iface eth3 inet dhcp |
| 14:02.20 | jim | then save the file |
| 14:02.23 | tdn | jelly, ? |
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| 14:02.56 | jim | got that much? |
| 14:03.15 | broadcaster | nobody with a deeper understanding of hal and udev in here? :( |
| 14:03.37 | jim | I'm afraid I don't know that, Dave |
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| 14:05.02 | jim | iari where'd you go |
| 14:05.38 | iari | jim: writing... |
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| 14:07.11 | iari | jim: Done, interfaces restart ? |
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| 14:07.21 | extor | Starting today we will now be referring to all our malware plugin interfaces as "adware APIs" --Bill Gates 1994 |
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| 14:07.24 | jim | let's try one at a time |
| 14:07.33 | iari | ok |
| 14:07.34 | jim | first, (in your shell) try: ifup lo |
| 14:07.43 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: are you still there? |
| 14:07.44 | iari | ok |
| 14:07.45 | jim | then ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:07.52 | xai | Are there any glibc compatiblity libraries for etch? I have some apps that require older versions of the glibc. |
| 14:07.57 | iari | works.. |
| 14:08.02 | jim | ok, good |
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| 14:08.06 | jim | now try ifup eth3 |
| 14:08.25 | iari | interface eth3 aleady configured.. |
| 14:08.34 | jim | ifdown eth3 |
| 14:08.35 | jim | now try ifup eth3 |
| 14:08.38 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: yes |
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| 14:09.27 | jim | what happens? |
| 14:09.34 | iari | jim: waiting... |
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| 14:09.51 | jim | it's doing the dhcp thing? |
| 14:10.04 | iari | interval 14.. |
| 14:10.12 | jim | hmm |
| 14:10.20 | iari | no DHCPOFFERS recieved |
| 14:10.23 | jim | ok |
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| 14:10.41 | jim | this would be from -your- dhcp server? |
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| 14:10.47 | jim | or from what? |
| 14:10.56 | jelly | tdn: basically yes |
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| 14:11.10 | tdn | jelly, ok. And then I sync and reboot? |
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| 14:11.21 | iari | jim: It's a domain, maybe the DHCP server is blocking it? |
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| 14:11.36 | tdn | jelly, or should I mount the partition and copy the netinst iso over to it first? |
| 14:11.39 | jelly | tdn: do an install-mbr as well; and try mounting /dev/sdb1 to see if it works |
| 14:11.54 | jim | oh, explain the net you're connecting to |
| 14:12.07 | jim | or explain the device on the other end of the wire |
| 14:12.11 | tdn | jelly, mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:12.22 | jelly | tdn: vfat or fat |
| 14:12.24 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: mybe my config file is wrong? do you knwo how i can se, whether the config is ok? |
| 14:12.38 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
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| 14:12.44 | iari | it's my office domain, I'm the IT manager, there's a DHCP server, DC, DNS... |
| 14:12.50 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: unless you know exim, very well, the debian config would look like jibberish |
| 14:12.52 | iari | class C |
| 14:12.59 | tdn | jelly, I used -t vfat and got: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
| 14:13.08 | jim | ok, can you pick an unused IP on that classC? |
| 14:13.14 | iari | sure |
| 14:13.19 | tdn | jelly, if I use -t fat, I get: mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat' |
| 14:13.22 | iari | you want to edit interfaces |
| 14:13.29 | jim | yeah |
| 14:13.43 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: is the problem exim still not starting? or is it now something else? |
| 14:13.45 | jim | there are two possible problems... |
| 14:13.48 | iari | what should I put in there? |
| 14:14.15 | jim | either eth3 is not the pcmcia card (and that's why we're not getting offers) |
| 14:14.25 | jelly | tdn: eh, if vfat doesn't work, you did something wrong. unplug and plug the device; check if it has a sensible partition table |
| 14:14.35 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 14:14.38 | jim | or maybe the link is physically bad somehow |
| 14:14.46 | jim | bad cable or something |
| 14:15.10 | tdn | jelly, fdisk -l says: /dev/sdb1 * 1 1021 459420 6 FAT16 |
| 14:15.11 | jim | or the dhcp doesn't want to send you an address |
| 14:15.21 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: no it is just, that it does not start with the system and it is runnin as root an not as Debian-exim how i mentioned in the config |
| 14:15.22 | tdn | jelly, same as before when I tried to mount it. |
| 14:15.38 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: eh? |
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| 14:16.26 | tdn | jelly, should I try to cat the boot.img to the partition again and this time without the install-mbr? Although I do not think that install-mbr should corrupt the filesystem. |
| 14:16.42 | aoomSduDe | Is it safe to compile and run the latest stable kernel from source on debian? |
| 14:16.53 | jim | ok, iari, first put # char on the iface eth3 line |
| 14:17.02 | jelly | tdn: install-mbr won't touch sdb1, right |
| 14:17.02 | iari | ok |
| 14:17.07 | jim | what's the ip you picked? |
| 14:17.16 | tdn | jelly, thought so. Then what can be wrong? |
| 14:17.34 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: the problem is, that it starts not the service when the system starts. |
| 14:17.42 | joanne^^ | aoomSduDe: depends on how hard you screw up the config. In theory, the answer to your question is yes. In practice, the answer to your question depends on your knowledge. :-) |
| 14:17.55 | jelly | tdn: no idea. dd the image to sdb1l, do a sync, try mounting sdb1 again |
| 14:18.03 | iari | 192.168.1.150 |
| 14:18.07 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 14:18.07 | aoomSduDe | joanne^^ what if i use debians config? |
| 14:18.13 | aoomSduDe | :) |
| 14:18.14 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: put the output of the command i told you in a pastebin, also put the contents of /etc/default/exim4 |
| 14:18.20 | jim | joanne^^: nice, short, concise, to the point |
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| 14:18.44 | jim | iari ok here are the lines: |
| 14:18.54 | jim | iface eth3 inet static |
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| 14:19.02 | pookey | hi all - can anyone suggest an apt source for PHP 5.2.4 or higher for Etch please? |
| 14:19.08 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.11 | joanne^^ | aoomSduDe: if you are new to compiling kernels, you can find howtos and explanations with Google. Keep a backup kernel in your grub.conf so you can boot when you jack it. Have fun. |
| 14:19.27 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:19.41 | jim | what's your gateway? |
| 14:19.49 | jim | 1.1? |
| 14:19.54 | adinc | hello, which application is displaying my new mail when loggin in to a shell? |
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| 14:20.25 | petemc | !biff |
| 14:20.25 | dpkg | well, biff is a mail notification tool |
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| 14:20.35 | jim | !b1ff |
| 14:20.36 | dpkg | [b1ff] an imaginary person that writes in CAPITAL LETTERS and often uses NUMB3R5 1N PLAC3 0F L3TT3R5 and whatnot. Also tends to use too many exclamation marks and question marks!!!!!!!, or look up B1FF at http://www.dict.org/ for the Jargon file definition |
| 14:20.53 | tdn | jelly, I did: sudo dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sdb1 ; sync; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt. And I got the image mounted! |
| 14:20.55 | adinc | petemc: is biff then called by the shell? here bash? |
| 14:21.14 | petemc | adinc: i think it may be done by pam |
| 14:21.17 | jelly | tdn: yay. I guess you can now copy the netinst iso onto it |
| 14:21.17 | tdn | jelly, now, do I copy the netinst iso to /mnt or do I umount and reboot? |
| 14:21.22 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 14:21.43 | adinc | but biff is not even installed here. i get a notification that in /var/mail/username there is new mail, but i need to look into maildir |
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| 14:21.55 | tdn | jelly, and then I sync; umount /dev/sdb1 ; sudo reboot, right? |
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| 14:22.29 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: http://nopaste.info/3099c530ea.html |
| 14:22.30 | jelly | tdn: right |
| 14:22.35 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 14:22.35 | slawson | what sources do i add to make my freassdh install a testing build? |
| 14:22.43 | slawson | fresh* |
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| 14:22.59 | SlayerXP | slawson: if you don't know the answer to that, you shouldn't be using testing |
| 14:23.18 | slawson | =\ |
| 14:23.24 | jim | that's a harsh and fairly inaccurate statement |
| 14:23.33 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: is there no /etc/rc2.d/S20exim4 ? |
| 14:23.35 | slawson | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 14:23.58 | jim | which makes rude assumptions about a person's lack of information or lack of intelligence |
| 14:24.14 | iari | jim: gateway 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 14:24.19 | iari | dns ? |
| 14:24.23 | jim | yeah |
| 14:24.32 | SlayerXP | jim: your opinion is noted and duly filed. |
| 14:24.32 | jim | is that also the dns server? |
| 14:24.40 | iari | no |
| 14:24.45 | jim | ok, what is? |
| 14:25.10 | iari | ok, I added dns xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx & gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 14:26.04 | iari | jim: ifup ? |
| 14:26.16 | jim | yeah give it a shot |
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| 14:26.47 | iari | host unreachable... |
| 14:26.55 | jim | which host? |
| 14:27.02 | jim | let's start by pinging the gw |
| 14:27.23 | iari | that's what I tried... |
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| 14:27.29 | jim | oh, hmm |
| 14:27.34 | jim | replace cable |
| 14:27.39 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: only that things i pasted you |
| 14:27.54 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: rc3-rc5 |
| 14:27.57 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.00 | mac|gyver | Hi, how can I ensure I have a recent kernel, ie how are kernel upgrades handles? |
| 14:28.02 | mac|gyver | handled |
| 14:28.16 | adinc | i'm trying to understand how a user is notified when logging in via a bash shell in debian but unfortunately i can't find anything. is somehere who makes use of this? |
| 14:28.24 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: cd /etc/rc2.d/ ; ln -s ../init.d/exim4 S20exim4 |
| 14:28.32 | jim | notified? |
| 14:28.37 | tdn | jelly, hmm... It did not boot :( |
| 14:28.49 | adinc | jim: yes when loggin in you see "You have new Mail in /var/mail/username" |
| 14:28.56 | jim | oh, I see |
| 14:28.56 | tdn | jelly, the "_" marker was just blinking in the upper left corner. |
| 14:28.58 | iari | The cable is ok I tried it on another machine. maybe it's the PCMCIA card.. Can we try the wireless ? |
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| 14:29.16 | jim | I dunno anything about wireless unfortunately |
| 14:29.18 | adinc | jim: do you know which application manages this? since my mails are stored in a maildir |
| 14:29.18 | hark | adinc: bash |
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| 14:29.32 | adinc | hark: but bash configuration do not show anything related to it |
| 14:29.50 | jim | adinc: what happens if you run biff right now |
| 14:29.51 | tdn | jelly, what can be wrong now? |
| 14:30.03 | adinc | jim: biff isn't even installed |
| 14:30.25 | iari | jim: Thank you. |
| 14:30.26 | tdn | jelly, should I try yet another USB stick? |
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| 14:31.33 | petemc | adinc: /etc/pam.d/login |
| 14:31.43 | jim | iari: had you used the pcmcia card before? |
| 14:31.59 | jim | let's rule out hardware, we already ruled out the cable |
| 14:32.03 | petemc | adinc: in there there stuff about mail notification, you can adjust that |
| 14:32.17 | dhe | i have a problem regarding the package perl-modules which is essential for debian, is there a way to reinstall this packe without doing anything elese? |
| 14:32.19 | adinc | petemc: you are right, thats cool |
| 14:32.28 | petemc | adinc: also the ssh file |
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| 14:32.38 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: ok i try the reboot |
| 14:32.52 | adinc | petemc: also the ssh file? which ssh file? |
| 14:33.04 | petemc | adinc: /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 14:33.22 | hark | adinc: iirc, pam sets the MAIL env variable which bash uses. man bash /mail |
| 14:33.35 | adinc | hark: which is in login.defs? |
| 14:33.59 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: it works. but exim is running under user 100 ? |
| 14:34.04 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: is that okay? |
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| 14:34.16 | iari | jim: Yep. under windows |
| 14:34.17 | jim | iari we can also look at your log file to see what happens when you insert and remove the card |
| 14:34.22 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: sure |
| 14:34.24 | hark | adinc: login.defs no longer does it. read the NOTE in it |
| 14:34.28 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: Debian-exim? |
| 14:34.37 | iari | jim: Let's.. |
| 14:34.58 | adinc | hark but it exists here and there i also can see a definition called MAIL_DIR which points to /var/mail |
| 14:35.02 | jim | ok, are you looking at an x screen? |
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| 14:35.27 | jim | if so fire up another term window and type tail -f /var/log/messages |
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| 14:35.41 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: what du you mean? |
| 14:36.06 | jim | make sure eth3 is down (ifdown eth3) |
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| 14:36.25 | jim | and then try inserting and removing the card and watch the terminal with the tail running |
| 14:36.29 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: is it running as Debian-exim ? |
| 14:36.52 | jelly | tdn: I have no idea. Have you run install-mbr after fdisk? |
| 14:36.59 | chris_hat_irc | 100 21626 0.0 0.0 11620 1596 ? Ss 15:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 14:37.06 | tdn | jelly, yes. |
| 14:37.22 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: tells ps aux |
| 14:37.33 | xai | Are there any glibc compatiblity libraries for etch? I have some apps that require older versions of the glibc, like 2.3.2.. |
| 14:37.37 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: grep 100 /etc/passwd - im sure you're fine anyway |
| 14:37.55 | azeem | xai: glibc is backwards compatible |
| 14:38.17 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: yes looks fine. |
| 14:38.38 | iari | jim: I must go for 15 min. sorry, I'm at work |
| 14:38.42 | hark | adinc: man pam_mail :) |
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| 14:38.43 | jim | ok |
| 14:38.45 | chris_hat_irc | petemc: many thanks |
| 14:38.47 | xai | azeem: I guess the application has some glibc version numbers hard-coded into it. I've used ASSUME_KERNEL_VERSION=2.4.28 and that fools it, but I'm not sure if that will break anything. |
| 14:38.50 | petemc | chris_hat_irc: np |
| 14:39.01 | adinc | hark there is no such man |
| 14:39.07 | xai | azeem: or cause some sort of corruption. |
| 14:39.21 | azeem | xai: what is the error if you don't set ASSUME_KERNEL_VERSION? |
| 14:39.25 | adinc | hark but would be cool to have such a man page |
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| 14:40.19 | xai | azeem: /usr/local/bin/runcbl: relocation error: /usr/local/bin/runcbl: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 14:40.37 | hark | adinc: hmm you should have it.. is libpam-modules installed? It is a required package |
| 14:40.43 | assasukasse | hi is there any expert of Lyx? |
| 14:40.51 | assasukasse | i need to remove the date at the end of every doc i make |
| 14:40.54 | assasukasse | how can i do it? |
| 14:40.57 | adinc | hark yes it is installed, strange |
| 14:40.57 | xai | assasukasse: there is a #latex channel. |
| 14:41.04 | assasukasse | thanks xai |
| 14:41.14 | azeem | xai: hrm |
| 14:41.53 | xai | azeem: I was thinking of trying a chroot environment, but that looks messy.. It does printing and needs /dev/pts/N terms. |
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| 14:42.30 | adinc | hark how can i find out which package contains pam_mail? |
| 14:42.33 | xai | azeem: if ASSUME_KERNEL_VERSION didn't cause any damage, we could use that for sure. |
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| 14:42.53 | xai | adinc: apt-file search pam_mail |
| 14:43.06 | adinc | xai empty |
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| 14:43.37 | xai | adine: you need to run it as root and do a "apt-file update" first.. |
| 14:43.43 | voltage | Hows it going? |
| 14:43.51 | hark | adinc: dpkg -L libpam-modules |grep pam_mail |
| 14:44.38 | adinc | this file pam_mail.so is installed in /lib/security and belongs obviously to libpam-modules but no man page to it |
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| 14:46.48 | voltage | hope it works this time :) |
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| 14:47.38 | firefox | ciao |
| 14:47.51 | firefox | !list |
| 14:47.51 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to firefox |
| 14:48.20 | jim | firefox: guess what this channel is not about :) |
| 14:48.51 | azeem | xai: well, I indeed guess it's an issue with NPTL, so setting LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to 2.4 (and forcing LinuxThreads) might be an option |
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| 14:52.45 | ^shark_ | how do i create a RSA key for ipsec? |
| 14:52.47 | perfector | how can i remove configuration files of all that packages that i have already uninstalled? |
| 14:53.05 | mateusz | Hi does debian support ThinkPad T61 keyboard additional keys and fingerthink ? Does installer support lvm2 ? |
| 14:53.08 | ^shark_ | i am having this problem >> http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1835 |
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| 14:53.28 | joltcan | perfector: dpkg -P package |
| 14:53.40 | tdn | jelly, I'm a bit lost. Do you know of *any* other way to create a bootable USB device to install Debian from? |
| 14:53.44 | joltcan | perfector: dpkg -l |less to see whatever is installed |
| 14:53.45 | xai | azeem: do you think there is danger of corruption? |
| 14:54.14 | perfector | joltcan: can i use apt or something without manually searching for individual packages |
| 14:54.32 | perfector | joltcan: i mena to say is there smth that can do it automated?? |
| 14:54.57 | azeem | xai: of corrupting what? |
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| 14:55.12 | azeem | xai: if you're running a proprietary application, there's always the danger of corruption |
| 14:55.24 | xai | azeem: yea the app's data files,.. |
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| 14:55.48 | azeem | xai: back them up? |
| 14:55.49 | TeXnicer | Hi there, I am using netinst and got fluxbox running, what would be the lightest/smalles graphical login I could use (P2/300)? |
| 14:55.53 | xai | azeem: runtime acucobol is what it is. |
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| 14:56.04 | R1ck | hi |
| 14:56.24 | xai | azeem: southware accounting really locks you in to their software and cobol runtime.. its horrible. |
| 14:56.26 | joltcan | perfector: perhaps dpkg -l|grep ^rc | awk '{ print $2 }' together with a for loop or something |
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| 14:56.51 | R1ck | i'm trying to use preseeding to automate an installation, but the installer hangs after loading vmlinuz with the text "Ready." after that it doesnt do anything anymore |
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| 14:57.16 | mmlj4 | i'm having trouble with clamav (postfix with amavis)... the socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl likes to go away at random times, and nothing I try fixes it (rebooting, restarting clamd, etc.)... sometimes it reappears on its own, and sometimes not |
| 14:57.20 | perfector | joltcan: hmm.. was wondering if apt could do it auto.. thanks |
| 14:57.41 | R1ck | so I have two questions: what filesystem does the USB stick need to be? and 2, is preseeding supported on a netinstall cd iso ? |
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| 14:57.47 | joltcan | perfector: I have no idea about that. Sorry. Use apt-get remove --purge when you remove stuff next time |
| 14:58.15 | perfector | joltcan: im just realising what a mess i have been doin.. |
| 14:58.33 | perfector | joltcan: just realised it when i took a listing of my /etc/ now |
| 14:58.48 | perfector | joltcan: thanks a lot |
| 14:58.56 | joltcan | perfector: Well, it is just config's, there is no reason to remove them for storage perspective. And the next time you install a program it will already be configured |
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| 14:59.16 | TeXnicer | How to I install a graphical login? |
| 14:59.35 | joltcan | TeXnicer: look for gdm/xdm/kdm or whatnot |
| 14:59.38 | perfector | joltcan: actually it also checks for these packages during shutdown.. thats irritating |
| 15:00.38 | perfector | joltcan: i mean the system tries to shut the services down |
| 15:00.38 | joltcan | perfector: Ok, then just down shutdown your computer ,) |
| 15:00.56 | perfector | joltcan: :) |
| 15:01.07 | joltcan | perfector: I would say that 99% of init scripts check to see if the daemon is there and exit 0 otherwise |
| 15:01.21 | joltcan | So that shouldn't take to long |
| 15:01.35 | joltcan | perfector: But it is your system, do whatever you want! :) |
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| 15:02.04 | perfector | joltcan: hmm.. true what if the system is a 333 MHz system?? |
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| 15:04.57 | joltcan | perfector: Then I would been bored to tears :) |
| 15:05.29 | perfector | joltcan: ha ha .. |
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| 15:06.05 | joltcan | I mean, my laptop is 2.4GHz core2duo with 4GB of RAM... |
| 15:06.47 | joltcan | perfector: But then I understand your concern. You can probably also go through aptitude/dselect and see which programs are in the removed state and purge them manually if you want more control |
| 15:07.31 | R1ck | anyone? I hate to repeat my question.. but my deadline's coming up :s |
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| 15:07.36 | perfector | joltcan: aptitude deselct eh?? |
| 15:07.46 | abrotman | R1ck: it's been four minutes ? |
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| 15:08.38 | perfector | joltcan: can find that option in the man page |
| 15:08.44 | mateusz | Hi does debian support ThinkPad T61 keyboard additional keys and fingerthink ? Does installer support lvm2 ? |
| 15:08.44 | perfector | joltcan: *cant |
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| 15:08.47 | R1ck | abrotman: no-one looks at questions from 4 minutes ago |
| 15:08.49 | mateusz | any help ? |
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| 15:09.19 | jim | mateusz: installer does support lvm2 |
| 15:09.21 | marcz908 | how can i tell if I am running sarge or something else? |
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| 15:09.29 | joltcan | perfector: No aptitude OR dselect |
| 15:09.54 | joltcan | perfector: As in the visual package handlers |
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| 15:10.33 | joltcan | marcz908: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:10.36 | abrotman | R1ck: i did :) |
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| 15:10.46 | Ramattack | Helo mates |
| 15:10.58 | Ramattack | I was wondering about open files and file descriptors |
| 15:11.06 | Ramattack | I know what they are but |
| 15:11.08 | abrotman | R1ck: yes, the netinst can use preseeding .. and the USB filesystem is up to you |
| 15:11.10 | Ramattack | my question is |
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| 15:11.18 | mac|gyver | guys, I'm at kernel 2.6.9, and want to upgrade, just upgraded sarge -> etch |
| 15:11.23 | mac|gyver | how can I do the kernel? |
| 15:11.24 | Ramattack | if you need to increase them should you recompile you're kernel? |
| 15:11.33 | Ramattack | when should you recompile the kernel? |
| 15:11.33 | abrotman | R1ck: or you're trying to use the usb stick for the install ? |
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| 15:11.47 | Ramattack | can't find an answer and in #kernel no one is answering now |
| 15:11.49 | abrotman | mac|gyver: what is your CPU ? |
| 15:11.50 | marcz908 | joltcan: it just says 4.0 ? |
| 15:11.51 | perfector | joltcan: ok |
| 15:11.52 | R1ck | abrotman: no, just for the preseeding file |
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| 15:12.04 | mac|gyver | abrotman: it's a virtual server running on a xeon 3GHz |
| 15:12.09 | perfector | joltcan: have never used dselect before.. looks good |
| 15:12.09 | abrotman | R1ck: i'd guess ext2/3 |
| 15:12.12 | jim | there;s a .h file somewhere that specifies the number of FDs |
| 15:12.21 | abrotman | mac|gyver: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:12.21 | R1ck | abrotman: the filesystem is FAT right now.. the preseeding file exists.. it just hangs at "Ready." |
| 15:12.28 | joltcan | perfector: It is a tad bit confusing in the beginning, read the keyboard shortcuts |
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| 15:12.31 | jim | you'd have to alter that then rebuild the kernel |
| 15:12.51 | mac|gyver | abrotman: and then reboot? does that automatically make the necessary changes to the boot loader and such? |
| 15:12.55 | joltcan | marcz908: Then it is etch |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | mac|gyver: you'll have to reboot .. yes |
| 15:13.20 | Ramattack | jim, but when should you recompile the kernel? |
| 15:13.25 | Ramattack | when changing limits in that file? |
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| 15:14.33 | jim | you would change the limit and then rebuild |
| 15:14.55 | jim | but this limit header should be located within the kernel source you build |
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| 15:16.41 | Ramattack | yes but ... for increasing limits in file-max should you recompile? |
| 15:16.41 | mac|gyver | abrotman: is it even possible to upgrade the kernel in a vserver? ie I can't find any boot loader config |
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| 15:16.56 | tdn | How do I make a bootable USB key to install Debian from? I have already tried following the procedure on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en, but that does not work. I think there might be some inacurracy in the documentation. I hope you can help. |
| 15:16.59 | mateusz | jim: :( |
| 15:17.20 | pbn | Hello, is there some way to tell Debian *not* to "link" eth0 to the MAC address of the network adapter in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules ? |
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| 15:17.30 | Ramattack | or for increasing don't know exactly what the open file limit of ulimit -a means but for increasing this? |
| 15:17.45 | pbn | this is a pita when you use removable hardrives in multiple machines... |
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| 15:18.51 | abrotman | mac|gyver: no idea .. i don't use them |
| 15:18.58 | abrotman | !z25 |
| 15:18.58 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 15:19.35 | Knight_Lord | How do I setup ssh so that it does not require -X to export the display? |
| 15:19.59 | pbn | that I know :) ... but everytime I use one of these removable hard drive in another machine, I have to edit z25_persistent_rules and reboot... |
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| 15:20.56 | joltcan | pbn: an ugly solution is to remove that entry together with an up clause for lo i /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:21.34 | junix-work | hi, i am trying to find a website similar to digg but more techie |
| 15:21.39 | junix-work | i can't remember the name |
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| 15:23.00 | voltage | can anyone help me with the syntax in my dhcpd.conf file? |
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| 15:23.16 | tobias | what's the easiest way to get (and maintain) mod_python with python2.5 in debian etch? |
| 15:23.33 | jim | I kinda like dhcp3-server and gdhcpd |
| 15:23.43 | jim | I din't have to worry about syntax |
| 15:23.49 | voltage | I have dhcp3-server installed |
| 15:23.59 | voltage | so you just run a program? |
| 15:24.07 | Joelito | does anyone knoe a good repository list for etch? |
| 15:24.10 | StucKman | hi all. what tools do I need for cross compiling a kernel from i386 to ppc? all the articles I see need to build binutils and gcc |
| 15:24.20 | jim | yeah, the package and the program is named gdhcpd |
| 15:24.34 | voltage | oh cool i'll give it a whirl thanks jim |
| 15:24.35 | jim | it'll install a lot of x client stuff... |
| 15:24.43 | krisbfunk | What is the best way to allow a user to run ulimit ? |
| 15:24.50 | jim | gtk, xbase-clients |
| 15:24.56 | voltage | I just have command line |
| 15:24.59 | abrotman | R1ck: i'm not sure if the installer has a vfat driver or not .. but you should be able to tell |
| 15:25.12 | jim | then ssh into it from an xterm on a remote |
| 15:25.14 | jim | then run it |
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| 15:25.25 | voltage | ok |
| 15:25.33 | krisbfunk | ulimit seems to be only a root command and I am unable to find out how to add ulimit access to sudoer |
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| 15:27.05 | Joelito | nobody :( |
| 15:27.20 | R1ck | abrotman: i just created an ext2 fs on the usbstick, but the screen is empty now, instead of hanging at Ready it just blanks. I use this line to boot: install preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg that's correct, right? |
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| 15:27.46 | jim | voltage: btw that works because the x maint was sneaky... he runs an ssh-agent which runs the x server |
| 15:28.08 | voltage | ok |
| 15:28.12 | voltage | trying to ssh in now |
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| 15:29.04 | voltage | ok i'm in |
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| 15:29.05 | voltage | here goes |
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| 15:29.31 | live_or_dead | \help |
| 15:29.43 | gkiagia | hi, I am trying to set up xinerama with my laptop screen and an external monitor. The problem is that the mouse pointer when moved with the touchpad, it gets trapped on screen1 and cannot return to screen0. This doesn't happen with the usb mouse. what is wrong?? |
| 15:29.44 | pngl_ | My system hangs when configuring ssl-cert and I have to ^C every time some install process tries to configure it. I tried to remove and reinstall it from a .deb package but nothing changes. |
| 15:30.07 | abrotman | R1ck: doesn't sound right |
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| 15:32.38 | R1ck | abrotman: why not? :) |
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| 15:32.49 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 15:32.49 | dpkg | i heard preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 15:33.13 | R1ck | abrotman: i'm beginning to think this is because the CD i use to boot, is also connected with USB.. |
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| 15:38.54 | pngl_ | I just installed php-mysql with apt-get but there's no doc about how to make php load it... |
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| 15:39.19 | Joelito | When was release debian etch r1? |
| 15:39.55 | RichiH | Joelito: wikipedia prolly knows |
| 15:39.58 | abrotman | Joelito: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/ |
| 15:40.02 | RichiH | else, you will find it in the news archive |
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| 15:41.15 | Joelito | thanks, any date for "r3"? |
| 15:41.35 | abrotman | WIR |
| 15:41.39 | jim | the date for r3 has to be brunette |
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| 15:41.52 | jim | and smokin hot |
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| 15:44.55 | joltcan | pbn: check /etc/phpX/ |
| 15:45.00 | joltcan | pbn: sorry |
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| 15:45.07 | joltcan | pngl_: check /etc/phpX/ |
| 15:45.41 | abrotman | pngl_: it should enable it by default ... if not check to make sure "extension=mysql.so" is uncommented in the /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 15:45.50 | abrotman | assuming apache2 and php5 |
| 15:45.56 | pngl_ | no apache |
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| 15:46.08 | abrotman | then it would be /etc/php5/php5-cgi/php.ini .. i think |
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| 15:46.56 | voltage | brb |
| 15:46.58 | pngl_ | well the only php.ini I have is in the apache directory, but apache isn't started/used at all. Would creating /etc/php5/php5-cgi/php.ini with extension=mysql.so be enough? |
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| 15:47.23 | abrotman | pngl_: how are you running php5 then ? |
| 15:47.59 | pngl_ | I run php-fcgi with the lighttpd utility spawn-fcgi and I use nginx as a web server |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | fcgi ? |
| 15:48.28 | zinx | pngl_: you need to add it to the config you've told it to use |
| 15:48.37 | pngl_ | uuh abrotman, php-cgi :) |
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| 15:48.45 | abrotman | so i told you the right file |
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| 15:49.10 | zinx | pngl_: "spawn-fcgi" likely has a directory to look for php.ini in |
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| 15:49.26 | pngl_ | ok Ill give it a try (sorry I always used shared hosts before), thanks abrotman, zinx. |
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| 15:55.47 | jelly | tdn: no ideas, sorry. AFAICT you're doing it right |
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| 15:56.26 | jelly | tdn: try asking in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, those are they guys that write the installer :-) |
| 15:56.47 | jim | they want users to email the list tho |
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| 15:58.30 | voltage | man I am so close to having my DHCP server working |
| 15:58.48 | jim | gdhcpd didn't work? |
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| 15:59.03 | Alphabmr | Hello, is there a Language Barre to switch from 2 languages? |
| 15:59.23 | RichiH | Alphabmr: ? |
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| 15:59.39 | voltage | nope but I got the file edited manually |
| 15:59.52 | jim | why didn't it work? |
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| 16:00.08 | voltage | getting an IP from it and DNS Servers but I think it is looking locally for them not on the wan |
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| 16:00.27 | voltage | maybe becasuse I have dynamic dns on? |
| 16:00.34 | Alphabmr | I need a visual button to change the KeyLayout |
| 16:00.42 | jim | so maybe you have two dhcp servers on that net? |
| 16:00.43 | Alphabmr | under Gnome |
| 16:00.51 | voltage | nope it's the only one |
| 16:01.02 | voltage | brb going to try something. wish me luck and thanks again |
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| 16:01.46 | Alphabmr | Can anyone give it's package name ?? |
| 16:02.26 | kunsi | Feb 13 16:59:41 v04-s151 postfix/master[17878]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 18: no valid IP address found: smtp <- why i am getting this error? line 18 in master.cf is commented ... |
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| 16:04.04 | abrotman | kunsi: can you show us your master.cf ? |
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| 16:05.14 | voltage | 0 for 2 jim lol |
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| 16:05.42 | jim | voltage: what happened when you tried gdhcpd? |
| 16:05.42 | kunsi | http://nopaste.biz/35422 <- this are the first 45 lines, i thing this should be enough |
| 16:05.57 | jim | admittedly it's a lot to install |
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| 16:06.13 | voltage | the wierd thing is... on my ubuntu box I am testing dhcp with I get 2 DNS server IPs from my DHCP server, the exact same ones I use static but I can't ping anything without the sites IP |
| 16:06.19 | voltage | soon as I go static it works |
| 16:06.35 | Eulex | Alphabmr, gnome-applets |
| 16:06.42 | abrotman | kunsi: perhaps line 18 is the 18th uncommented line? |
| 16:06.44 | jim | oh so it's working |
| 16:06.55 | abrotman | kunsi: or maybe ask #postfix |
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| 16:07.03 | Eulex | Alphabmr, but you should already have that one |
| 16:07.04 | jim | it's handing you an IP but not a dns? |
| 16:07.10 | jelly | voltage: it could be a missing default route |
| 16:07.33 | voltage | oh... |
| 16:07.47 | voltage | in dhcpd.conf? |
| 16:07.48 | Alphabmr | Gnome-applets is already installed !! |
| 16:07.50 | jim | jelly: nice guess |
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| 16:07.56 | jim | I bet that's it |
| 16:08.09 | Eulex | Alphabmr, as I said. add the applet to your panel? |
| 16:08.11 | voltage | shoot it's not there! |
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| 16:08.21 | voltage | whats the sintax and where should I place it? |
| 16:08.23 | jim | you should run a dns inside your lan |
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| 16:08.37 | jim | the sintax is 99% |
| 16:08.45 | voltage | thats my next box |
| 16:08.46 | jelly | voltage: if you have your own dhcpd, check its configuration |
| 16:09.10 | jelly | voltage: iotw yes, dhcpd.conf :-) |
| 16:09.15 | voltage | I got it up jelly but I am not sure where or what to add to spesify my default gateway |
| 16:09.32 | pngl_ | abrotman: okay I found where spawn-cgi loads the config, but extension='mysql.so' throws an error. It makes sense to me since php was compiled without mysql support, but isn't there a special command to link php to the php-mysql debian package ? |
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| 16:09.36 | jelly | voltage: option routers 10.0.3.1; |
| 16:09.44 | jelly | voltage: and rtfm, too |
| 16:09.55 | jim | look at the routing table on the client |
| 16:10.04 | jim | see if it placed the default route |
| 16:10.05 | Alphabmr | Eulex, thank you ;) |
| 16:10.09 | voltage | below the subnet stuff |
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| 16:10.23 | jelly | voltage: inside the subnet spec, right |
| 16:10.40 | Eulex | !customer |
| 16:10.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 16:10.49 | voltage | I'll type what I got |
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| 16:11.09 | jelly | s/type/pastebin/ |
| 16:12.26 | voltage | subnet 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { |
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| 16:12.44 | jim | voltage: and router 10.? |
| 16:12.50 | voltage | then option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:12.50 | jim | thats the problem |
| 16:12.56 | voltage | 10.1 |
| 16:13.02 | jelly | voltage: use a pastebin |
| 16:13.11 | jim | the router has to be in the subnet |
| 16:13.26 | jim | what's the address of the router on that subnet? |
| 16:13.28 | jelly | it could be even a global value, but that's bad form |
| 16:13.35 | voltage | subnet 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { |
| 16:13.35 | voltage | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.35 | voltage | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.35 | voltage | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.35 | voltage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:13.47 | jelly | serves 'im right |
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| 16:13.58 | voltage | whoops |
| 16:14.01 | jelly | !tell voltage -about pastebin |
| 16:14.19 | jim | pasted into the wrong window, right? :) |
| 16:14.19 | liable | yeah, whoops, thats what they all say |
| 16:14.41 | jim | liable: a likely story... |
| 16:14.42 | voltage | figured I would get booted, no clue what a paste bin is |
| 16:14.45 | Azzco | I've been pulling my hair for a few hours now trying to get my network to run. |
| 16:14.47 | jim | damn, we sound like cops |
| 16:14.55 | jelly | !pastebin |
| 16:14.55 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 16:16.22 | lleoliveirabr | hi, i tried to edit a root file but i can't, tried with root privilegies and can't too |
| 16:16.34 | jelly | voltage: in any case, just add " options routers 192.168.10.1;" inside that {} segment ... of course put your real gateway there |
| 16:16.34 | lleoliveirabr | always appear as read only permission |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | which file? |
| 16:16.47 | voltage | http://paste.lisp.org/display/55851 |
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| 16:16.49 | jim | lleoliveirabr: what could be the reasons? |
| 16:17.02 | voltage | ok |
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| 16:17.03 | lleoliveirabr | would like to know |
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| 16:17.31 | Moorenkopf | hi. Has anyone experiences with asus pundit2? I'd like to buy one but cannot find any informations about linux support. |
| 16:17.43 | jim | voltage: what is the address of the gateway? |
| 16:17.46 | jelly | lleoliveirabr: your filesystem is mounted read-only (check dmesg for errors and it being remounted read-only), or the file has funky attributes, check with lsattr |
| 16:17.55 | Azzco | Can one upgrade the kernel without network? |
| 16:18.02 | lleoliveirabr | my gos |
| 16:18.04 | lleoliveirabr | god |
| 16:18.07 | lleoliveirabr | i'm newbie, |
| 16:18.09 | jelly | Azzco: definitely yes |
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| 16:18.36 | voltage | jelly had it |
| 16:18.36 | jelly | Azzco: if you have some other way to get that new kernel to the machine |
| 16:18.42 | voltage | 192.168.10.1 |
| 16:18.47 | lleoliveirabr | is it possible enable root access with need to go to terminal |
| 16:18.47 | voltage | brb going to test |
| 16:18.56 | Azzco | jelly: chrooting from a different distro? |
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| 16:19.08 | jim | voltage: put that in there. that's the inside address of the router |
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| 16:19.46 | mmlj4 | ok, what does the second part of this mean? # NOTE: remember to add the clamav user to the amavis group, and # to properly set clamd to init supplementary groups |
| 16:20.27 | jelly | Azzco: if the "other distro" has network configured, then you have network. |
| 16:21.07 | Azzco | I can't wget anything or apt-get update o.O |
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| 16:21.19 | voltage | It works! sweet |
| 16:21.26 | voltage | and I can ssh in for changes |
| 16:21.27 | jim | finally :P |
| 16:21.38 | jim | :) |
| 16:21.49 | voltage | haha thanks a million for the help guys |
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| 16:22.12 | voltage | I always thought it was wise to have your DHCP not a part of your router |
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| 16:22.27 | voltage | now It's a reality |
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| 16:22.59 | crumblenaut | what can you do if a generic debian kernel fails to boot but a manually-compiled one does? |
| 16:23.24 | TeXnicer | use the manual one? |
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| 16:23.37 | jim | if your router is one of those linksys things, having dhcp kills off another capability |
| 16:23.43 | TeXnicer | get info about hw specs? |
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| 16:24.05 | voltage | ditched my linksys now I got a debian etch box as my router |
| 16:24.09 | jim | I think if you allow dhcp on those, it disables port forwarding |
| 16:24.27 | voltage | thats good to know |
| 16:24.47 | voltage | Not a big fan of those. |
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| 16:25.18 | abrotman | crumblenaut: try kernel options like apic and acpi |
| 16:25.24 | voltage | brb going to go static so I can yank the CDROM out of my new dhcp server and put it in it's proper place. |
| 16:27.30 | krisbfunk | What is the best way to allow a user to run ulimit ? ulimit seems to be only a root command and I am unable to find out how to add ulimit access to sudoers |
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| 16:31.39 | akio | hello |
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| 16:32.25 | akio | i need some help with a pcmcia ethernet card |
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| 16:32.52 | akio | does anyone here remember how to use those in debian? |
| 16:33.06 | akio | im running etch |
| 16:33.16 | akio | and it uses 3c589_cs |
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| 16:33.34 | akio | its a 3Com 3c589d-tp |
| 16:33.41 | broadcaster | so, i solved my bizarre camera problem... i removed "kamera" which is obviously broken, and finally my cam pops up as a mass storage as well as a camera again. |
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| 16:34.18 | akio | broadcaster, do you know who i should talk to? |
| 16:34.29 | broadcaster | funnily the problem didn't occur when i was not member of the plugdev group |
| 16:34.35 | broadcaster | akio: hmm? |
| 16:34.44 | jim | akio: that should work out of the box |
| 16:34.50 | akio | i have a pcmcia ethernet card |
| 16:35.06 | akio | cardctl seems to report everything as working |
| 16:35.13 | broadcaster | it worked for a different user, also a member of "plugdev", but as my shadow-file and stuff was broken - well... |
| 16:35.19 | akio | but there are no lights on the dongle |
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| 16:35.27 | broadcaster | it doesn't work then |
| 16:35.27 | jim | is it connected |
| 16:35.28 | broadcaster | ;) |
| 16:35.33 | akio | yep |
| 16:35.35 | jim | oh, and be careful with that dongle |
| 16:35.40 | akio | ? |
| 16:35.44 | jim | it' |
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| 16:35.47 | broadcaster | check the pcmcia-tools, check if the card has power |
| 16:35.53 | jim | s fragile as all hell :) |
| 16:35.56 | akio | how do i check for power? |
| 16:35.59 | broadcaster | then check if you have the kernel module for the card |
| 16:36.10 | akio | its using yenta socket |
| 16:36.23 | SamuraiDio | hi people... i'm using a mixed debian testing/unstable for my notebook (desktop, media and development purposes). should i upgrade it to unstable or keep most packages on testing? |
| 16:36.36 | broadcaster | you should have something like (example, i don't remember:) "pcmcia-tools status" |
| 16:36.58 | jim | akio: "ifconfig -a" <-- type that command in a root login, then tell how many paragraphs |
| 16:37.05 | broadcaster | SamuraiDio: questions like that are a reason to roast you under a lunar rocket. |
| 16:37.39 | broadcaster | akio: you could also look in dmesg, if a kernel module was loaded and identified the card |
| 16:37.44 | akio | it says 5v 16 bit pc card function 0: ready |
| 16:37.53 | jim | akio: "ifconfig -a" <-- type that command in a root login, then tell how many paragraphs |
| 16:38.00 | akio | only two |
| 16:38.02 | akio | no card |
| 16:38.16 | broadcaster | ok, you are missing a kernel module, a KERNEL MODULE i guess |
| 16:38.17 | jim | what are their names |
| 16:38.29 | broadcaster | lo and eth0 maybe? |
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| 16:38.39 | akio | yep |
| 16:38.47 | jim | ok, pull the card out |
| 16:38.51 | jim | and do the test again |
| 16:38.54 | akio | my eth0 is working, im using it to connect |
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| 16:38.59 | jim | oh ok |
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| 16:39.02 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good open source agile project management software |
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| 16:39.05 | broadcaster | oh man |
| 16:39.08 | chris062689 | Hello? |
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| 16:39.14 | jim | then I don't understand the problem |
| 16:39.25 | broadcaster | jim: he wants ANOHER interface |
| 16:39.32 | broadcaster | eth1 that is |
| 16:39.36 | jim | on a laptop? |
| 16:39.36 | chris062689 | I have a question, is there a way to do a barebones install of Debian with just a termina? |
| 16:39.42 | broadcaster | for whatever reason |
| 16:39.42 | jim | sure |
| 16:39.43 | chris062689 | I want to make a Eee specific distro. |
| 16:39.55 | jim | eeeee? |
| 16:40.01 | akio | well i am trying to get it working on this laptop |
| 16:40.02 | broadcaster | maybe he wants to turn the laptop into a server... |
| 16:40.04 | chris062689 | For the EeePC |
| 16:40.09 | jim | oh ok |
| 16:40.18 | martian67 | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEpc |
| 16:40.18 | jim | try the netinst cd |
| 16:40.24 | broadcaster | akio: do you know which chip the card has? do you know what a kernel module is? |
| 16:40.24 | chris062689 | netinst cd? |
| 16:40.25 | akio | but the card is going to go on another ibm thinkpad 240 without rj-45 |
| 16:40.27 | jim | eeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee! |
| 16:40.31 | chris062689 | Ok.. |
| 16:40.34 | jim | ok, we stop now :P |
| 16:40.35 | liable | chris062689: yes, just install the base-install |
| 16:40.44 | chris062689 | Think anyone could help me build this distro? :) |
| 16:40.53 | mintee | do the rc6.d script run backwards? 99 down to 1? |
| 16:40.56 | akio | the 240 has no cdrom either |
| 16:41.03 | broadcaster | chris062689: ask in #distrobuilders |
| 16:41.05 | jim | no, they run forward |
| 16:41.05 | chris062689 | Like, knowing how to keep the size down, keep it in sync with Debian.. how to remaster the CD.. etc |
| 16:41.06 | chris062689 | Ok. |
| 16:41.10 | rswarbrick | Hi there. Running a laptop with debian+gnome. Currently using nm-applet for wifi, but have found a real problem, where ntpd gets started before the network is brought up properly, moans and ignores its servers. The consequence being that you end up with a possibly very silly time. Is there a way to convince ntpd to "try again later" or something? |
| 16:41.29 | broadcaster | don't all rc-scripts run "forward", even the Kxx ones? |
| 16:41.34 | jim | chris062689: why not just try the netinst |
| 16:41.45 | mintee | jim, well K29wanrouter isn't unloading before K30zaptel |
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| 16:41.59 | chris062689 | ok I'll try that. |
| 16:42.06 | broadcaster | rswarbrick: ntpd shouldn't stop after an error |
| 16:42.10 | chris062689 | Is there a way to put the netinst on a usb drive |
| 16:42.14 | chris062689 | Or a SD card? |
| 16:42.16 | broadcaster | mintee: ok, thx |
| 16:42.20 | rswarbrick | broadcaster: ntpd stayed up but with an empty assoc. list |
| 16:42.21 | jim | chris062689: maybe you don't need to build your own |
| 16:42.25 | akio | dmesg reports insertion and removal |
| 16:42.25 | chris062689 | >_> |
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| 16:42.34 | chris062689 | Well, just for my generl purpose :P |
| 16:42.52 | jim | if you're looking to keep it in sync with debian, maybe it might as well be debian :) |
| 16:42.52 | rswarbrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.41 | mintee | or maybe there just isn't enough time between k29 and k30 to fully unload the first one. |
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| 16:43.46 | broadcaster | rswarbrick: you are running a server which depends on a network connection, but your network conn. is build when a user logs on with a GUI. it doesn't sound smart. anyway you might try to configure network-manager to run the init-script after each connection |
| 16:43.58 | broadcaster | mintee: :( |
| 16:44.18 | tdn | jelly, ok. Thanks. |
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| 16:44.19 | broadcaster | mintee: it should be written somewhere, maybe /etc/rc.d/README or man init or... |
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| 16:44.25 | akio | jim, the kernel modules pcmcia, 3c589_cs, yenta socket, and pcmcia_core are loaded |
| 16:44.45 | broadcaster | akio: rmmod 3c589_cs |
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| 16:44.49 | jim | akio: and ifconfig -a lists an additional interface? |
| 16:44.53 | jim | one sec |
| 16:44.53 | broadcaster | akio: then modprobe 3c589_cs |
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| 16:45.02 | rswarbrick | broadcaster: I agree about your solution - I'm searching to see how to do that now. About the silliness of the situation, I also agree but frankly I had something magic set up with wpa_supplicant on my old laptop and (given that I did always end up logging into gnome) it was rather more trouble than it was worth. |
| 16:45.05 | rswarbrick | Thanks for the advice |
| 16:45.06 | mintee | broadcaster, well i've read in a few places it counts alphanumberic a>z and 1>9 |
| 16:45.07 | broadcaster | akio: then check dmesg for messages from the module |
| 16:45.17 | akio | it says its in use |
| 16:45.29 | mintee | my problem is that if k29 doesn't stop before k30 I get a kernel panic |
| 16:45.34 | broadcaster | rswarbrick: use ntpdate from acronjob |
| 16:45.38 | jim | hmm... this is a laptop? |
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| 16:45.48 | rswarbrick | yes |
| 16:45.50 | broadcaster | akio: that's good |
| 16:45.52 | rswarbrick | I said that at first |
| 16:45.54 | akio | it worked, i had to unplug it |
| 16:46.19 | rswarbrick | broadcaster: Yeah that would work too, but it seemed nice to have ntpd doing its thing properly |
| 16:46.21 | broadcaster | akio: try "ifconfig eth1 up" after it was detected or check dmesg for the device name |
| 16:46.45 | broadcaster | rswarbrick: maybe there's a channel #ntp |
| 16:47.04 | broadcaster | rswarbrick: ask the ntp-folks |
| 16:47.20 | rswarbrick | Well, I'm going for your suggestion for network-manager so if I can't work it out, I'll try for those folks actually. But thank you very much for the help |
| 16:47.26 | broadcaster | rswarbrick: maybe they know how to make the server work after a lost connection |
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| 16:47.41 | rswarbrick | broadcaster: Oh. That's a point. Well I'll try one of them! :P |
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| 16:47.59 | broadcaster | rswarbrick: P? |
| 16:48.14 | akio | jim, it shows up with -a |
| 16:48.18 | rswarbrick | I apologise. Smileys really really shouldn't appear on irc. Sorry |
| 16:48.30 | akio | broadcaster, it shows the card too |
| 16:48.37 | akio | but no lights |
| 16:48.40 | Ramattack | bye thanks mates :) |
| 16:48.57 | broadcaster | akio: bring the interface up |
| 16:48.58 | martian67 | broadcaster, :P is someone sticking their tounge out |
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| 16:49.13 | martian67 | :) is somone smiling |
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| 16:49.22 | martian67 | :| is somone non-plussed |
| 16:49.23 | broadcaster | martian67: i got the smiley, i just don't understand the reference in the words preleading it |
| 16:49.29 | martian67 | :( is frown |
| 16:49.29 | akio | thats ifup right? |
| 16:49.31 | broadcaster | THANY |
| 16:49.36 | akio | ifup eth1 |
| 16:49.37 | broadcaster | THANX |
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| 16:49.46 | broadcaster | i have a GUI-IRC-client here |
| 16:49.49 | broadcaster | WITH smileys |
| 16:49.54 | martian67 | broadcaster, lots of people use it as a catchall |
| 16:49.55 | broadcaster | akio: try that |
| 16:49.58 | jim | akio: ok, whats in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 16:50.09 | martian67 | just :P any time they are feeling saucy |
| 16:50.11 | DawnLight | how can i get a clue as to what kind of filesystem is in a partition? |
| 16:50.14 | akio | ignoring unkown interface |
| 16:50.21 | martian67 | DawnLight, cfdisk |
| 16:50.21 | broadcaster | martian67: ok. |
| 16:50.23 | jim | akio: ok, whats in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 16:50.28 | rswarbrick | broadcaster: Oh ok. I meant that I'd try asking one of the two groups of people you suggested. I'm not feeling particularly saucy though, I'm afraid. |
| 16:50.42 | aidehua | Does anyone here know of a nice library for intercepting chdir, open, stat, etc., and handling them in a custom way? I'd prefer not to use FUSE... :) |
| 16:50.42 | jim | paste it at somewhere like rafb.net/paste |
| 16:51.00 | DawnLight | martian67: gpart package? |
| 16:51.08 | jelly | !wayttd aidehua |
| 16:51.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aidehua? |
| 16:51.10 | martian67 | DawnLight, what? |
| 16:51.10 | broadcaster | jim: a pcmcia-card is not in /etc/n../interfaces |
| 16:51.11 | akio | im using xterm |
| 16:51.22 | aidehua | jelly: FUSE on 2.4 without having to modify my kernel. |
| 16:51.24 | akio | no clipboard |
| 16:51.32 | martian67 | yea gparted works too |
| 16:51.33 | DawnLight | apt-cache search cfdisk returns the gpart package |
| 16:51.37 | aidehua | jelly: "cheap" FUSE, if you like. |
| 16:51.40 | broadcaster | akio: just try "ifconfig [INTERFACENAME] up" |
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| 16:51.41 | martian67 | just install gparted |
| 16:52.00 | DawnLight | martian67: not gparted, gpart. apt-cache search cfdisk returns the gpart package |
| 16:52.10 | akio | well that seems to have worked |
| 16:52.18 | akio | but no lights |
| 16:52.20 | jelly | aidehua: upgrade the kernel, or write your own (starting from, say, fakeroot or some old LD_PRELOADing unionfs implementation) |
| 16:52.23 | martian67 | w/e |
| 16:52.27 | broadcaster | akio: if the light doesn't go on, you have a problem. or you're just missing a cable. |
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| 16:52.43 | jim | or there are no lights :) |
| 16:52.56 | jelly | jim: there are FOUR lights! |
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| 16:52.57 | broadcaster | *lol* |
| 16:53.00 | aidehua | jelly: It's really hard to do properly -- I was hoping one might already exist :D |
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| 16:53.04 | akio | 3 |
| 16:53.25 | akio | act, 10/100, link |
| 16:53.32 | broadcaster | akio: do you have an ethernet-cable plugged in that card? |
| 16:53.39 | jim | jelly: poor bald dude... |
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| 16:53.49 | akio | yes i do |
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| 16:53.54 | aidehua | jelly: e.g. properly handling apps that use stat, xstat, __xstat64, etc. I've written something based on LD_PRELOAD that just does a printf(), but there's a lot of work to do. |
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| 16:53.55 | jelly | akio: it's a stupid popular media reference that I just couldn't avoid making, sorry |
| 16:54.01 | akio | its plugged into a working switch as well |
| 16:54.10 | akio | its fine |
| 16:54.14 | akio | your helping |
| 16:54.14 | jim | is the switch port light on? |
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| 16:54.15 | broadcaster | akio: good. try a different cable. |
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| 16:54.28 | broadcaster | is the switch an autosensing switch? |
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| 16:54.39 | jelly | aidehua: mmap would be fun! :-) |
| 16:54.57 | akio | im using the switch right now, and it blinks every 7 seconds or so |
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| 16:55.08 | akio | on the port that im not using |
| 16:55.19 | akio | yes it is |
| 16:55.21 | porkpie | guy's how do I preserve the permissions when copying to a NFS mount ? |
| 16:55.22 | jim | akio: no lights on the port you are using? |
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| 16:55.33 | jelly | aidehua: I think fakeroot is a nice starting point |
| 16:55.33 | aidehua | jelly: Luckily, the FUSEy type thing that I want to do just involves redirecting from a path in the "virtual fs" to a real path, so I could end up calling the underlying mmap with a different path, etc. |
| 16:55.33 | akio | lights on the port i am using |
| 16:55.41 | dutchfish | is this fixed? or is there a security fix coming? does it affect xen kernel 2.6.18? ttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 |
| 16:55.49 | tuutkk | hello i noticed a weird problem when setting my screen resolution high and high refresh rate Xvideo movies become degenerated or downsampled like pixelized 2 pixels become one . opengl or normal x11 video does not show this problem it is very strange if i lower the refreshrate to 60 with 1600x1200 xvideo becomes normal again. but with 75 it looks weird . the rest of the desktop looks normal |
| 16:56.00 | jim | ok, so now you want to configure that net somehow |
| 16:56.01 | abrotman | dutchfish: fixed in DSA 1494 IIRC |
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| 16:56.13 | akio | its not getting an ip address |
| 16:56.17 | jelly | aidehua: symlink farm! :-) |
| 16:56.24 | jim | is it supposed to be? |
| 16:56.24 | akio | i have to set it to dhcp or something |
| 16:56.25 | broadcaster | jim: his lights are off. |
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| 16:56.39 | dutchfish | abrotman, does it affect xen-kernel 2.6.18? |
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| 16:56.50 | broadcaster | akio: it sounds to me as if your card is just plainly broken |
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| 16:57.01 | akio | could be |
| 16:57.04 | jelly | aidehua: I have a bind-mount farm on one system where the app doesn't like symlinks |
| 16:57.11 | akio | i have another |
| 16:57.39 | aidehua | jelly: Unfortunately, in some applications, the name of the file is significant. Renaming a symlink doesn't affect the target of the symlink, which is unhelpful. |
| 16:57.41 | broadcaster | akio: i hate to say this, but.... try it out with windows... if windows is good for anything then to check if at least the proprietary stuff works fine |
| 16:57.47 | akio | i got lights!!!!!!! |
| 16:57.53 | broadcaster | hooray |
| 16:57.58 | akio | dead card |
| 16:57.59 | RaymondX | what command lets you list all the apps running? |
| 16:58.01 | broadcaster | now tell us how |
| 16:58.03 | akio | @#%$@#% |
| 16:58.08 | broadcaster | said so |
| 16:58.14 | akio | the linksys fired right up |
| 16:58.28 | akio | the 3com is dead i guess |
| 16:58.28 | aidehua | I need FUSE entirely in userland. FUSUSE? |
| 16:58.31 | ling | Can I somehow continue the installation from a netinstall-image even if the checksums for the files on the cd don't match? |
| 16:58.44 | akio | thank you for bearing with me |
| 16:58.45 | aidehua | (Joking, btw.) |
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| 16:59.27 | broadcaster | ling: do NOT do that. |
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| 16:59.33 | jelly | aidehua: SUFFUSE. |
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| 16:59.45 | broadcaster | ling: get a working CD image. |
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| 17:00.17 | voltage_ | Man HP Kyacks POST slow! |
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| 17:00.17 | akio | broadcaster, i got lights but no ip |
| 17:00.20 | PepperBob | hi all! |
| 17:00.26 | akio | its eth2 now |
| 17:00.27 | jimbalaya | the 'apt-get build-dep pkg' command will show packages to be installed ... is there a way to make it show what is already installed (ie: *all* required packages, vs *new* required packages)? |
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| 17:00.35 | abrotman | voltage_: those kayaks were premium workstations in their day |
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| 17:00.51 | ling | broadcaster: I have a working image. I modified it myself to include the stuff I need, but now it won't work since the checksums no longer match. |
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| 17:01.11 | PepperBob | i ammended shmmax via sysctl manually and put it in sysctl.conf to be used when starting - but for some reason the values in sysctl.conf are not read in.. |
| 17:01.37 | akio | jim, lights but no ip |
| 17:01.42 | akio | on eth2 |
| 17:01.49 | jelly | aidehua: I'd been toying with an idea of a file-based raid1 that would be able to create an up-to-date copy of a filesystem while the app was working. Useful for defragging. :-) |
| 17:01.52 | PepperBob | however it applies when passing sysctl.conf as filename to sysctl manually |
| 17:01.58 | PepperBob | anyone experienced that? |
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| 17:02.10 | broadcaster | ling: k, sry, dunno then |
| 17:02.20 | broadcaster | akio: erm... dhcp-server...? |
| 17:02.37 | akio | its a linksys wrt54g |
| 17:02.38 | ugu | Hello. I'm ssh'ed to a rather freshly installed debian etch and when I start php -a, I get "Interactive mode enabled", but no prompt... Any ideas as to why? |
| 17:02.56 | broadcaster | akio: that's goog, does it work with openwrt? |
| 17:03.05 | akio | no, its ver 6 |
| 17:03.05 | broadcaster | s/goog/good |
| 17:03.17 | broadcaster | akio: sell it on ebay then |
| 17:03.25 | jelly | PepperBob: yes, on lenny, I thought it was my fault somehow. does running "/etc/init.d/procps.sh force-reload" manually do the trick? |
| 17:03.29 | akio | i have a friend who says it works but i dont trust him, it works fine |
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| 17:03.41 | akio | and my other router is crap |
| 17:03.45 | martian67 | jelly, why not just USE raid 1? |
| 17:03.50 | cizzi | I have "iptables -A OUTPUT -p TCP --dport 21 -j ACCEPT" before I reject all my packets... however users cannot use ftp.. ftp.debian.org reports unkown host |
| 17:04.01 | jelly | martian67: it doesn't do defragging. |
| 17:04.06 | abrotman | !Iptables |
| 17:04.06 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 17:04.16 | PepperBob | jelly, well i have to run sysctl -p manually - then it works. |
| 17:04.25 | martian67 | jelly, adding a kludge like that is REALLY going to slow things down |
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| 17:04.34 | Nielsen | cizzi: because you are allowing packets out, but not packets in? |
| 17:04.39 | martian67 | fragmentation isnt a big issue anyways |
| 17:04.39 | akio | so how do i get an ip for this card, lights are on |
| 17:04.41 | pingouin_ | i know it's a little bit.. out of topic..... someone knows a good shared calendar application; running on apache/php5/mysql ? |
| 17:04.44 | jelly | martian67: during the defragging phase, yes. |
| 17:04.45 | broadcaster | akio: why do you not get an ip? |
| 17:04.54 | broadcaster | akio: dhclient eth1 ? |
| 17:04.54 | cizzi | Nielsen - I need to add an INPUT rule for 21 as well? |
| 17:04.55 | akio | ifconfig reports no ip |
| 17:05.00 | abrotman | cizzi: and probably 20 |
| 17:05.08 | jelly | martian67: slowing things down is sometimes better than downtime. |
| 17:05.09 | broadcaster | cizzi: FTP is more complicated, RTFM |
| 17:05.13 | abrotman | cizzi: honestly .. use http sources if you can |
| 17:05.17 | cizzi | abrotman - so ftp is sending out a request to port 21 but never getrting an answer? |
| 17:05.21 | Nielsen | cizzi: no, you need to learn iptables a little better ;) |
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| 17:05.37 | akio | freaking sweet! |
| 17:05.42 | akio | jim, thanks |
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| 17:05.48 | Nielsen | cizzi: i suggest you join #netfilter |
| 17:05.51 | broadcaster | ? |
| 17:05.53 | cizzi | allright |
| 17:05.54 | cizzi | thanks |
| 17:06.05 | PepperBob | jelly, mh... thanks for pointing me to procps.sh. i'll have a look at that... |
| 17:06.08 | jelly | if you keep your fs at 60-70% usage it isn't <martian67> fragmentation isnt a big issue anyways |
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| 17:07.26 | jelly | martian67: we got from 28+ hour backup window to 15hr after copying all the files to a fresh filesystem, effectively defragging them |
| 17:07.46 | martian67 | jelly, why not just run raid one |
| 17:07.51 | martian67 | take it offline |
| 17:07.53 | martian67 | defrag it |
| 17:07.55 | martian67 | bring it back |
| 17:08.03 | martian67 | ync changes |
| 17:08.06 | martian67 | *sync |
| 17:08.07 | jelly | martian67: because downtime sucks |
| 17:08.13 | martian67 | there is no downtime there |
| 17:08.29 | martian67 | just the arry going offline |
| 17:08.32 | jelly | "sync changes" = downtime |
| 17:08.40 | broadcaster | you are both wrong |
| 17:08.55 | broadcaster | 1. syncing != downtime !! |
| 17:09.09 | broadcaster | 2. offlining one drive from a 2-drive raid 1 will not help you |
| 17:09.27 | broadcaster | because the drive which is still active will always "win" |
| 17:09.35 | broadcaster | and the changes will be overwritten |
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| 17:10.08 | jelly | broadcaster: syncing changes between two different filesystems requires using rsync to do it, which implies downtime of the app while rysnc does its work |
| 17:10.11 | Zea__ | hello. I'm running etch on a dual core opteron machine. why won't bind9's named detect two cpus? my /proc/cpuinfo shows both cpus so SMP is enabled. |
| 17:10.27 | broadcaster | what dows rsync have to do with raid1 ? |
| 17:10.46 | martian67 | jelly, there is still downtime when you switch over to the copied files |
| 17:10.54 | martian67 | so you are getting downtime either way |
| 17:10.55 | akio | wow |
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| 17:11.05 | akio | i just unplugged my ethernet cord and im still going |
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| 17:11.10 | akio | sweet |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | Zea__: what would you have bind9 do with two CPUs ? |
| 17:11.36 | martian67 | akio, surely you have wireless |
| 17:11.40 | akio | jim and broadcast are uber1337 |
| 17:11.46 | akio | not on this thing |
| 17:11.53 | |DawnLight| | what are the bs=BYTES count=BLOCKS ibs=BYTES etc. in dd? what are they for? |
| 17:11.55 | abrotman | Zea__: or what is happening, and how is that wrong? |
| 17:11.56 | akio | its a latitude ls |
| 17:11.59 | martian67 | you arnt using your magic hacker skills |
| 17:12.09 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: the man page covers that |
| 17:12.10 | akio | im using the blinking lights man! |
| 17:13.30 | jelly | martian67: rsync takes hours; using a file-based "raid1" would require downtime in the range of a couple minutes, needed to stop the app, remount, and start it |
| 17:13.30 | |DawnLight| | abrotman: it mentions what it is but it don't understand what it could be used for |
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| 17:13.47 | jelly | martian67: basically no downtime |
| 17:13.54 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: the BLOCKS refer to the bs .. bs uses a BTYES as its blocksize |
| 17:14.22 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: so you can say that 'bs' is 1MB or whatever .. and count uses however many BLOCKS you tell it to |
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| 17:14.40 | |DawnLight| | abrotman: what is a blocksize? |
| 17:14.47 | |DawnLight| | what is a block? |
| 17:14.52 | jelly | broadcaster: you were missing the context there re: rsync, I think |
| 17:14.55 | martian67 | jelly, rsync wouldnt take hours if they are nearly identical already |
| 17:14.56 | abrotman | whatever you determine the BLOCKSIZE to be with 'bs' |
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| 17:15.18 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: if you scroll farther down in the man page .. it gives valid values for 'bs' |
| 17:15.24 | jelly | martian67: on our data it does. |
| 17:15.47 | ugu | shouldn't php -a in debian etch bring up the php prompt? |
| 17:16.06 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: make sense? |
| 17:16.09 | jelly | martian67: rsync time scales with tree size, esp. the number of files. Try doing it on a couple million files |
| 17:16.15 | |DawnLight| | abrotman: but i still don't know what it is. what is, it, really? give me docs, links, a hint... |
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| 17:16.24 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: man dd .. it does explain it .. |
| 17:16.36 | martian67 | jelly, your idea seems a poor solution |
| 17:16.43 | martian67 | just get a bigger hardrive |
| 17:16.59 | martian67 | or raid zero the two drives together |
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| 17:17.09 | jelly | martian67: and have downtime while transferring to the bigger harddrive. |
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| 17:17.23 | martian67 | copying files != downtime |
| 17:17.29 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: let's say for example .. you do `dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/null bs=1024 count=100` .. that would take 100 blocks of 1024bytes from /dev/random and put them in /dev/null (effectively doing nothing .. but it's an example) |
| 17:17.32 | martian67 | its that or downtime every time you want to defrag it |
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| 17:17.40 | martian67 | which strikes me as retarded |
| 17:17.50 | msm | I installed 4.0r1 using netinst. I do startx and it gives errors. how can I reinstall x or how to go about fixing it ? |
| 17:17.59 | abrotman | msm: aptitude install xorg |
| 17:18.08 | abrotman | msm: probably want a window manager too |
| 17:18.24 | msm | abrotman: does the cd have all that ? |
| 17:18.29 | abrotman | msm: you'd need http sources |
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| 17:18.46 | msm | abrotman: so netinst cd does not have xorg ? |
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| 17:19.06 | abrotman | no it does not .. but it gives you enough to use http sources (assuming a good network connection) |
| 17:19.14 | jim | nope |
| 17:19.18 | abrotman | msm: and during the install it asks you if you want http sources |
| 17:19.27 | |DawnLight| | abrotman: why would anyone care how many bytes dd reads "at a time"? what does "at a time" mean? |
| 17:19.43 | jelly | martian67: you can't copy files while an app is working on them. the usual procedure is "get and mount a bigger disk; copy over the files; down the app; rsync the rest; umount old; remount new; start app". I'm trying to minimize the downtime while the final rsync is running |
| 17:19.45 | jim | but you can get anything you want after the reboot (or even before) |
| 17:19.57 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: it can make a difference in the speed of an operation .. or perhaps you want a file that is exactly 1MB in size of random junk |
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| 17:20.23 | martian67 | jelly, for the amount of time that its going to take, its going to be better than whatever file raid hack weirdness you have set up |
| 17:20.31 | DawnLight | abrotman: what if i don't specify ibs/obs? |
| 17:20.32 | abrotman | DawnLight: or maybe you only want the first 5MB of a 10MB file ? |
| 17:20.33 | msm | abroptman: I know but I wanted to save bandwidth. I had actually done that once and then inbetween after it completed download while it was installing things it gave some error and put me back on menu. then I just went ahead and did last step to install grub. I am not logged in but startx gives errors. |
| 17:20.33 | martian67 | and the constant downtime due to defragging |
| 17:20.42 | abrotman | DawnLight: it takes defaults .. |
| 17:20.47 | jelly | martian67: I haven't set anything up. It's just an idea |
| 17:20.55 | martian67 | heres an idea |
| 17:21.00 | martian67 | get a bigger harddrive ;p |
| 17:21.04 | SlayerXP | DawnLight: would you like to carry 2 bricks 100 miles in 2 trips or one? |
| 17:21.25 | msm | abroptman: how about I check and see if all x related deb are already downloaded so I dont incur bandwidth |
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| 17:21.35 | jelly | martian67: dude, this scenario _is_ the case when the old disk starts to get too small. |
| 17:21.42 | DawnLight | SlayerXP: abrotman: i like this. gives me low-level control over the operation |
| 17:21.50 | abrotman | yes .. i suppose it does |
| 17:21.52 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 17:22.02 | abrotman | DawnLight: i believe the default bs is 8 bytes |
| 17:22.11 | msm | abrotman: how about I check and see if all x related deb are already downloaded so I dont incur bandwidth |
| 17:22.25 | abrotman | msm: it will only download what it needs |
| 17:22.35 | jelly | martian67: the bigger disks are already here. They are not the issue. The issue is minimizing downtime (needed for the migration) |
| 17:22.43 | msm | well I read some where its overall download is 4.0mb |
| 17:22.48 | msm | sorry 408mb |
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| 17:22.59 | abrotman | msm: sounds about right |
| 17:23.08 | msm | abrotman: I dont want to incur that |
| 17:23.17 | abrotman | msm: you want X .. that's what it is |
| 17:23.26 | DawnLight | if i want to make a backup of a 200MB~ partition that's in a 200MB~ HDD, should i if=hdb or if=hdb1? |
| 17:23.35 | msm | abrotman: how can I check what it will download new and how much size will it be ? |
| 17:23.49 | abrotman | it tells you when you do it |
| 17:23.52 | DawnLight | i want to back up the files, not the partition itself |
| 17:24.27 | msm | abrotman: I want to know cost of apt-get install xorg |
| 17:24.31 | jelly | martian67: whether is the migration to bigger disks or just doing the defrag, it doesn't really matter since the procedure would be the same |
| 17:24.39 | msm | abrotman: meaning download payload |
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| 17:26.30 | abrotman | msm: when you `aptitude install xorg` it will tell you how much it is going to download |
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| 17:27.44 | porkpie | guy's what does umet dependencies mean ? |
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| 17:28.00 | muh2000 | dpkg-reconfigure does not work anymore :( all it does is jumping into the next line |
| 17:28.01 | azeem | porkpie: some dependencies could not be resolved |
| 17:28.49 | porkpie | azeem:what is the impact of -f will it break the server ? |
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| 17:30.03 | azeem | porkpie: depends on the particular problem |
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| 17:30.17 | porkpie | amanda client install |
| 17:30.27 | azeem | running stable? |
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| 17:31.33 | porkpie | azeem: to be honest it's ubuntu .... so I will now be kicked out .. I can't connect to the ubuntu channel for some reason thats why I have asked here :( |
| 17:31.43 | azeem | porkpie: too bad |
| 17:32.01 | porkpie | azeem: thanks :S |
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| 17:32.13 | Azzco | porkpie: kicked from the channel or something? |
| 17:32.27 | CarlFK | Where are the docs that explain what "single" is in /boot/grub/menu.lst kernel /boot/vmlinuz rootfo ro single |
| 17:32.28 | RaymondX | what's the command that displays all the running apps? |
| 17:32.44 | CarlFK | so I can find out how to boot into runlevel 3 |
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| 17:32.48 | piju | hello all |
| 17:32.57 | CarlFK | RaymondX: ps |
| 17:33.01 | piju | any good docs for installing compiz for debian testing ? |
| 17:33.09 | RaymondX | tnx |
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| 17:33.15 | Azzco | Does it matter if you compile a kernel on a certain distro, do I need to compile a kernel for debian on debian? |
| 17:33.26 | tuutkk | porkie to be honest i sometimes ask debian questions in ubuntu channels coz then i get the noob proof help version answer |
| 17:33.42 | piju | any good docs for installing compiz for debian testing ? |
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| 17:34.02 | porkpie | tuutkk:can I paste the error ? |
| 17:34.11 | azeem | porkpie: you're banned from #ubuntu, take it up with the Ubuntu people |
| 17:34.19 | tuutkk | dont ask me porkie |
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| 17:34.26 | msm | abrotman: it told me for xorg it needs to get 26 MB. I did dpkg -l for xserver-xorg-core and it shows it installed |
| 17:34.29 | porkpie | azeem: am I ?? |
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| 17:34.38 | piju | any one ? |
| 17:34.40 | msm | abrotman: it seems fonts are yet to be downloaded |
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| 17:34.40 | piju | any good docs for installing compiz for debian testing ? |
| 17:34.46 | porkpie | azeem: how can I check that ....?? |
| 17:35.04 | azeem | porkpie: that's off-topic here |
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| 17:35.34 | porkpie | azeem:eh ? |
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| 17:35.51 | azeem | porkpie: discuss this elsewhere |
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| 17:36.36 | msm | abrotman: is there a way to take output from aptitude -s install xorg divert to file ....feed to some web site...and get packaged deb will all those libs...then put it in some dir....use aptitude with that file as source |
| 17:36.41 | piju | any good docs for installing compiz for debian testing on intel ? |
| 17:36.51 | azeem | piju: apt-get install compiz? |
| 17:36.56 | tuutkk | piju: compiz should be in the repossitory |
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| 17:37.11 | piju | azeem, it is not easy as apt-get install compiz |
| 17:37.13 | piju | :) |
| 17:37.17 | hark | !wikifaq piju Compiz |
| 17:37.18 | dpkg | piju: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 17:37.24 | piju | i have tried too many times before |
| 17:37.37 | azeem | piju: if you have tried, you should report the issues you had |
| 17:37.41 | tuutkk | find a fusion icon somewhere makes starting easyer |
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| 17:38.13 | piju | Azar, i saw too many docs installing compiz on ATI or NVDIA but not on intel |
| 17:38.16 | piju | azeem, |
| 17:38.26 | azeem | eh |
| 17:38.32 | azeem | it has nothing to do with the graphics cards |
| 17:38.34 | piju | azeem, im using shame.tuxfamily repos |
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| 17:38.44 | tuutkk | with proprietary ati driver i have had no luck with compiz but with opensource i did get it working |
| 17:38.46 | azeem | piju: you asked about testing |
| 17:38.53 | azeem | piju: we don't support 3rd party repos here |
| 17:38.59 | azeem | piju: ask the people who did those packages |
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| 17:39.25 | piju | azeem, did debian has pkg xserver-xgl ? |
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| 17:39.39 | azeem | piju: no |
| 17:39.48 | azeem | piju: why would you want that? |
| 17:39.51 | piju | azeem, then ? how can i install compiz on debian ? |
| 17:39.58 | piju | Azar, i met error |
| 17:40.01 | azeem | piju: 18:36 < azeem> piju: apt-get install compiz? |
| 17:40.14 | piju | Azar, i have did it |
| 17:40.20 | azeem | !ask |
| 17:40.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:40.24 | piju | azeem, compiz config setting manager |
| 17:40.26 | tuutkk | you dont need that with opensource ati driver |
| 17:40.37 | azeem | piju has got an Intel card |
| 17:40.46 | piju | im using intel |
| 17:40.55 | piju | i have configured it well on ubuntu |
| 17:41.03 | azeem | piju: if you're not able to report the issues you had, we cannot help you |
| 17:41.04 | piju | i have dual boot with debian testing |
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| 17:45.42 | |bb7| | how can I run a command i background from shell? I know with the &, but when I log out, the other process is temrinated. |
| 17:46.02 | idimmu | run it in a screen |
| 17:46.17 | |bb7| | ? |
| 17:46.22 | |bb7| | how? |
| 17:46.24 | idimmu | apt-get install screen |
| 17:46.29 | idimmu | then run screen |
| 17:46.39 | simonrvn | screen; nohup; |
| 17:46.40 | jim | before that man screen |
| 17:46.43 | idimmu | and it will give you a magical portal in to the computer called a terminal |
| 17:46.51 | Eulex | another option is using 'command & disown' I believe |
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| 17:47.07 | |bb7| | ok thank you |
| 17:47.11 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 17:47.22 | simonrvn | (the disown bit) |
| 17:47.27 | jim | screen has some of its docs in the program itself |
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| 17:48.05 | idimmu | screen is a super useful thing to learn |
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| 17:56.06 | Azzco | I'm not sure how to get network in a chrooted enviroment... Got it on the host distro but got no idea how to get it on the one I'm chrooting into |
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| 17:56.30 | zinx | Azzco: chroot doesn't do anything to network access |
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| 17:57.20 | Azzco | Oh, didn't think so either but someone said something before and I got that idea =s |
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| 18:05.30 | junix-work | i seem to be having a problem getting my mysql database to allow me to connect remotely from windows using the mysql gui tools |
| 18:05.34 | DawnLight | i need to mount and backup a FAT16 file system which i don't know the contents of. i am contemplating the issue of file name encoding because i suspect there might be file names in non-ascii symbols since this was used in israel. is this plausable? |
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| 18:06.25 | Eulex | DawnLight, try mounting with -o nls=utf8 |
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| 18:07.06 | Eulex | ah wait |
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| 18:07.47 | Eulex | that was the way to do it for ntfs |
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| 18:08.07 | DawnLight | yes, man mount doesn't say anything about nls in fat |
| 18:08.08 | ServerSide | is there anyway to quickly remove big files? |
| 18:08.14 | Eulex | try the iocharset and/or codepage options for fat |
| 18:08.16 | ServerSide | like... all movies ;) |
| 18:08.18 | DawnLight | ServerSide: rm |
| 18:08.22 | ServerSide | nah |
| 18:08.29 | DawnLight | ah, like a filter? |
| 18:08.32 | ServerSide | rm is laggin' |
| 18:08.37 | Eulex | ServerSide, find combined with xargs and rm |
| 18:08.43 | DawnLight | the find command |
| 18:08.52 | ServerSide | nah, |
| 18:09.04 | ServerSide | for example, i cd to ~/vids/ |
| 18:09.15 | Eulex | ServerSide, if rm is slow at removing files, you can't do much about it. the slowness is caused by your file system. |
| 18:09.15 | ServerSide | I want to delete everything in it |
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| 18:09.25 | ServerSide | ok.. |
| 18:09.31 | Eulex | ServerSide, rm -rf ~/vids ? |
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| 18:09.39 | ServerSide | yes, but that's slow. |
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| 18:09.47 | Eulex | you can't do anything about it |
| 18:09.50 | startxwhite | hi there! i have an orinoco gold classic pc card which was working ok on my Pentium 133 laptop and yesterday it stopped working!. the card still works ok on other laptops though |
| 18:09.54 | ServerSide | k |
| 18:10.03 | ServerSide | moving to /dev/null can help? |
| 18:10.12 | ServerSide | mv * /dev/null |
| 18:10.16 | Eulex | ServerSide, no. |
| 18:10.16 | DawnLight | ServerSide: it doesn't really do anything to the data on the disk, you know |
| 18:10.23 | ServerSide | ok. |
| 18:10.29 | ServerSide | thanks ;) |
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| 18:10.47 | DawnLight | ServerSide: ext3 is your friend. trust in it |
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| 18:10.56 | ServerSide | ^^ |
| 18:10.57 | Eulex | ServerSide, rm _itself_ does not do the removing, it calls the c library to do so, then the c library calls the kernel to do it |
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| 18:11.00 | GuilhermeBrant | My audio isn't working here in debian 4.0 ...My audiocard is Audiophile 2496,it used to work fine in ubuntu 7.10,does anybody know how I can fix it? |
| 18:11.07 | startxwhite | On my P133 laptop the output of /var/log/message : pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0 pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0 and that is just about it! |
| 18:11.17 | junix-work | i seem to be having a problem getting my mysql database to allow me to connect remotely from windows using the mysql gui tools |
| 18:11.24 | DawnLight | GuilhermeBrant: you have alsa installed? |
| 18:11.27 | Eulex | GuilhermeBrant, checked alsa-project.org? does alsaconf find it? |
| 18:11.31 | cloakable | Eulex: mb ,file> /dev/null :P |
| 18:11.33 | DawnLight | !tell GuilhermeBrant about alsa |
| 18:11.36 | cloakable | *mb |
| 18:11.38 | ServerSide | Eulex: thanks for the lesson :] |
| 18:11.39 | GuilhermeBrant | it seems like alsa is installed |
| 18:11.44 | cloakable | *mv |
| 18:11.44 | GuilhermeBrant | at least it shows up here |
| 18:11.53 | GuilhermeBrant | how can i config it? |
| 18:11.59 | DawnLight | GuilhermeBrant: follow dpkg's suggestions |
| 18:12.10 | DawnLight | !tell GuilhermeBrant about self-tell |
| 18:12.13 | GuilhermeBrant | ah ok,i just saw it here |
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| 18:12.30 | GuilhermeBrant | I'll read the suggestions here,thank you |
| 18:13.04 | DawnLight | GuilhermeBrant: debian is a solid choice |
| 18:13.27 | GuilhermeBrant | what do u mean with solid? |
| 18:13.50 | _eltese\a | hi! My debian dist wont allow me to send mail from php sites. anyone knows the problem? It is regarding 2 server computers |
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| 18:14.21 | jim | _eltese\a: from php sites? |
| 18:14.32 | jim | or to them? |
| 18:14.52 | _eltese\a | jim: from |
| 18:14.58 | DawnLight | !doesn't work |
| 18:14.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 18:15.18 | jim | need details. |
| 18:15.56 | _eltese\a | jim: It says alot of different things.... 550 host unknown was the last error message |
| 18:16.11 | jim | host unknown? what host? |
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| 18:16.35 | jim | also, -exactly- what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:17.07 | jim | it doesn't make sense by your original description |
| 18:17.44 | _eltese\a | jim: Im trying to make a mailscript and also to create an smtp |
| 18:18.45 | jim | if you will create an smtp server, it needs a fast/strong connection, a static IP and a dns server (caching only is fine) running on the same machine |
| 18:18.46 | Eulex | create an smtp? |
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| 18:19.13 | jelly | _eltese\a: does sending mail from command line work on that machine? |
| 18:19.50 | _eltese\a | jim: my connection is strong. Im on a 100/10 mbit/s line. |
| 18:20.14 | jim | ok, to the machine that will have the mail server? |
| 18:20.15 | _eltese\a | jelly: Nope. Ive tried that |
| 18:20.23 | _eltese\a | jim: Yup |
| 18:20.40 | jim | ok, will this mail server be receiving mail? |
| 18:20.46 | jelly | I think the loose translation is "sending mail from my misconfigured php setup using mail() does not work. I should first configure the local exim4-daemon-light, and then make php use /usr/sbin/sendmail" |
| 18:20.48 | _eltese\a | jim: Offc |
| 18:20.58 | jim | so, you will need a static ip |
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| 18:21.09 | _eltese\a | jelly: haha ok ;D |
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| 18:21.45 | ^shark_ | hi guys |
| 18:21.59 | jim | will this mail server have very heavy use? |
| 18:22.06 | ^shark_ | how do i install dhcp server and tftp server..? |
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| 18:22.08 | ^shark_ | any ideas? |
| 18:22.17 | IronManMario | this was weird. I wrote something in text editor on debian, put it on a disk, and read it in notepad on windows, and instead of spaces seperating paragraphs there was just two blocks every time there was a space going down |
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| 18:22.41 | IronManMario | why did it do that >:( |
| 18:22.51 | zinx | IronManMario: ask Microsoft |
| 18:22.54 | IronManMario | I had to re-insert all the lines |
| 18:22.57 | _eltese\a | jim: nah, not that much |
| 18:23.07 | _eltese\a | jelly: i am using sendmail |
| 18:23.11 | vigge_sWe | Can you help me fix apache parsing php? |
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| 18:23.40 | jim | _eltese\a: well, having a dns server on the same machine is optional... but a caching only one is cheap |
| 18:24.13 | startxwhite | on my P133 laptop the orinoco gold card light does not power on anymore, but it does on other laptops which are also running gnu/linux! on those other laptop it works ok so what gives? |
| 18:24.13 | vigge_sWe | how do I make apache parse php? |
| 18:24.31 | Eulex | IronManMario, windows has different line endings that unix. try opening it up in wordpad, it will correctly read it. notepad won't. |
| 18:24.37 | jim | IronManMario: DOS/windows text files are different from unix/linux text files |
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| 18:25.52 | _eltese\a | jim: ok |
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| 18:26.48 | jim | _eltese\a: lastly the domain name must work |
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| 18:26.56 | vigge_sWe | please help me |
| 18:27.01 | westside | is there a way to tell what kind (not quantity) of RAM memory chips are in a machine without having to take the machine down and open it up? |
| 18:27.10 | eshaase | is there any way i can point my web browser to an executeable to execute and have its contents displayed as if it were a web browser (without using a web browser)? |
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| 18:27.35 | eshaase | web server i mean |
| 18:27.41 | Eulex | eshaase, I'd suggest looking up ' |
| 18:27.44 | Eulex | CGi' |
| 18:27.49 | Eulex | *CGI |
| 18:28.13 | vigge_sWe | how do I make apache parse php in debian?????? |
| 18:28.19 | jim | eshaase: you can look into cgi and/or you can look at aolserver for a more complete approach |
| 18:28.28 | eshaase | tahts what i meant =) |
| 18:28.30 | eshaase | is there any way i can point my web browser to an executeable to execute and have its contents displayed as if it using a web server (without using a web server like apache)? |
| 18:28.33 | Eulex | vigge_sWe, you install the php module, and you enable it. |
| 18:28.43 | vigge_sWe | but how do I enable it??? |
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| 18:28.54 | Eulex | eshaase, oh. well, no. |
| 18:28.54 | jim | oh, so without a web server |
| 18:29.14 | zinx | vigge_sWe: a2enmod |
| 18:29.15 | Eulex | vigge_sWe, you use a2enmod |
| 18:29.23 | vigge_sWe | and whats that? |
| 18:29.23 | _eltese\a | jim: didnt quite understand this = well, having a dns server on the same machine is optional... but a caching only one is cheap |
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| 18:29.38 | zinx | vigge_sWe: RTFM |
| 18:29.51 | vigge_sWe | eh? |
| 18:29.59 | zinx | vigge_sWe: read the fine manual |
| 18:30.07 | Eulex | vigge_sWe, man a2enmod, it enables an apache module |
| 18:30.12 | RaymondX | <<<having a hartime to get fluxbox to display a wallpaper |
| 18:30.13 | jim | _eltese\a: usually the same machine that runs a smtp server also needs to run a dns |
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| 18:30.19 | jim | because |
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| 18:30.31 | enouf | IronManMario: try opening with wordpad instead of notepad next time, see the pkg tofrodos, man ascii, .. as jim mentioned, dos/windows also add \r (CR), to the existing \n (LF) that unix uses, an editor like nano/joe/pico even can save in ms-dos format style. |
| 18:30.40 | jim | the mail server needs to resolve names -quickly- |
| 18:30.57 | RaymondX | <<<having a hardtime to get fluxbox to display a wallpaper |
| 18:31.06 | vigge_sWe | ahhh I give up |
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| 18:31.46 | eshaase | Eulex: well i can't use cgi unless i have apache setup no?' |
| 18:31.53 | RaymondX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.58 | enouf | IronManMario: as well as more powerful editors like vi/vim/emacs, etc |
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| 18:32.57 | enouf | RaymondX: repeating like that will only help to get people to really ignore you. |
| 18:34.00 | RaymondX | <<<having a hard time getting someone to help me :-D |
| 18:34.15 | RaymondX | <<<having a hard time getting someone to help me :-D |
| 18:34.21 | chandor | today's push of debian-keyring ticked off debsig-verify on lenny. any clues? |
| 18:34.25 | GuilhermeBrant | Can somebody help me get my Audiophile 2496 working here in debian?I've checked ALSA already and it's correctly installed,and it seems it recognizes my soundcard |
| 18:35.30 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 18:35.30 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 18:37.06 | wea0 | Can I install debian into an ext3 filesysten that already has some stuff in it without erasing my files |
| 18:37.22 | abrotman | which partition is it? |
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| 18:38.04 | Eulex | eshaase, ...or any other web server that supports cgi |
| 18:38.04 | stan-marcio | houdy! |
| 18:38.37 | eshaase | ok, thanks guys, appreciate it |
| 18:38.59 | Eulex | eshaase, if the cgi application is _very_ simple, you might be able to just run it from a terminal, redirect to a file, remove the content-type: header and open in a web browser |
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| 18:40.28 | ^shark_ | whats the defference between tftpd-hpa and tftpd |
| 18:41.01 | Eulex | ^shark_, package descriptions usually enlighten you about variants of packages |
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| 18:42.26 | eshaase | Eulex: hmmm, you know what? maybe i'll just implement my own simple web server |
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| 18:42.54 | eshaase | Eulex: using ruby it seemed pretty simple |
| 18:43.00 | Eulex | eshaase, heh, ok |
| 18:43.33 | eshaase | haha, should be fun actually =) |
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| 18:45.28 | wea0 | I an currently running ubuntu on a single partition containing all the files. Can I do something like move /home to /oldhome, delete the rest and install debian on the same partition while keeping /oldhome? Or will everything be erased when I install debian? |
| 18:46.03 | westside | GuilhermeBrant: I have the AP2496 working sort of |
| 18:46.09 | azeem | wea0: the partition is over the whole disk? |
| 18:46.30 | westside | GuilhermeBrant: there's also a #alsa channel |
| 18:47.21 | jelly | what's a good usbconnected sound card that works with alsa? |
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| 18:47.28 | wea0 | azeem: no, but the only other partitions are swap and ntfs |
| 18:47.36 | Whoppix27 | whats up? |
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| 18:48.50 | Whoppix27 | I may have to save someone.... |
| 18:49.03 | enouf | GuilhermeBrant: using kde at all? |
| 18:49.07 | Justin | wea0: you can use the installer to clean up the partition without formatting it |
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| 18:49.38 | Justin | wea0: you just need to do something like mkdir /crap;mv /* /crap;mv /crap/home /oldhome;rm -rf /crap |
| 18:49.44 | azeem | wea0: how much free space is there? |
| 18:49.54 | enouf | wea0: how big is /home now? du -sh /home |
| 18:49.57 | Justin | wea0: which will leave you with just /oldhome on the partition |
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| 18:50.06 | redtape | hey, I was wondering, is setting up two monitors in dedian achieveable? |
| 18:50.08 | enouf | wea0: maybe burn a cd or dvd too, for backup |
| 18:50.10 | azeem | Justin: and remove your runnign system under your feet |
| 18:50.12 | abrotman | redtape: yes |
| 18:50.16 | Justin | wea0: though if your swap parition is big enough you can move home onto that |
| 18:50.17 | GuilhermeBrant | enouf I'm using gnome....I have figured out the problem already....the sound is working,but when I open the XMMS player it sopts the sound....also it doesn't play my songs....do I have to install any mp3 driver/packages? |
| 18:50.18 | redtape | sorry, debian |
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| 18:50.25 | Justin | azeem: obviously do that from a chroot :) |
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| 18:50.35 | azeem | Justin: "obviously"? |
| 18:50.45 | redtape | even if i have an old video card that only has one VGA port on it? |
| 18:50.48 | azeem | it was totally unobvious you were talking about a chroot |
| 18:50.54 | Justin | azeem: lol |
| 18:51.23 | azeem | or did you mean livecd |
| 18:51.25 | chris_hat_ir1 | is there a difference in bugs/functionality whether i install egroupware manually oder via the experimental repository? |
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| 18:51.32 | enouf | GuilhermeBrant: perhaps, there are many xmms plugins - please read thos docs, now; maybe you need to set it's soundcard device to "default" (for alsa), not hw0:0, hw0:1 etc |
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| 18:52.25 | enouf | GuilhermeBrant: "/msg dpkg dmme" (if using etch, otherwise replace dmme with dmm) .. |
| 18:52.38 | enouf | !mp3 |
| 18:52.38 | DDave | WinAmp not running |
| 18:52.39 | dpkg | i guess mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 18:52.43 | wea0 | home is taking up ~12GB and I've got 4GB free space, that should be enough for a basic debian setup, right? |
| 18:53.25 | azeem | wea0: yeah maybe |
| 18:53.36 | azeem | wea0: you can just try to tell the installer to shrink that partition |
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| 18:53.44 | azeem | wea0: how big is the swap partition? |
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| 18:54.17 | redtape | is there any bit of hardware that i can get that allows me to plug two monitors into a computer that only has one VGA port? a little off topic I know, but it would be helpful. |
| 18:54.25 | wea0 | 2G |
| 18:54.26 | redtape | do you guys know of anything like that? |
| 18:54.28 | DawnLight | i need to mount and backup a FAT16 file system which i don't know the contents of. i am contemplating the issue of file name encoding because i suspect there might be file names in non-ascii symbols since this was used in israel. is this plausable? |
| 18:55.24 | Justin | wea0: you might want to use the swap partition for / and just make a swap file on the home partition somewhere |
| 18:55.33 | abrotman | redtape: ask ##hardware .. there might be a vga signal splitter |
| 18:55.33 | enouf | Justin: ... and mv /* /crap will mis hidden files and dirs |
| 18:55.45 | Justin | enouf: you have hidden files and dirs in / ? |
| 18:55.45 | enouf | s/mis/miss |
| 18:56.02 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 18:56.20 | Justin | well, then they are custom files which won't conflict with the new system anyway |
| 18:56.30 | redtape | abrotman: thanks for the help, I was wondering what channel to look in. |
| 18:56.36 | Justin | the main point is to remove /usr /etc etc :) |
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| 18:58.56 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 19:00.51 | Mazingaro | please I've got a nasty problem: I got several active directory users that must connect to a debian box via sftp to exchange files... Users shall belong to specific groups an the only shall browse specific directories |
| 19:00.55 | vigge_sWe | please can someone guide me trought the enabling of php in apache without hard words? |
| 19:01.11 | gordonjcp | !lamp |
| 19:01.11 | dpkg | [lamp] Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 19:01.22 | vigge_sWe | I use lamp |
| 19:01.23 | gordonjcp | that's not very useful |
| 19:01.28 | vigge_sWe | alreadu installed |
| 19:01.36 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:02.11 | vigge_sWe | EvolutionCrazy: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
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| 19:02.26 | AnObfuscator | does debian have a firewall enabled by default? |
| 19:02.28 | vigge_sWe | evolutionCrazy should be E : |
| 19:02.28 | abrotman | no |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: are you root? |
| 19:02.47 | vigge_sWe | How to set that? I always get that? |
| 19:02.52 | AnObfuscator | abrotman: no, to my question? |
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| 19:03.30 | abrotman | AnObfuscator: yes |
| 19:03.35 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: you have to be root |
| 19:03.43 | vigge_sWe | how to set root? |
| 19:03.55 | abrotman | su |
| 19:03.58 | AnObfuscator | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:04.01 | abrotman | type in your root password |
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| 19:04.03 | vigge_sWe | I know something with sudo or something. Is it that? |
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| 19:04.16 | abrotman | AnObfuscator: you can use iptables .. the modules are there .. but there's no rules in place by default |
| 19:06.17 | AnObfuscator | abrotman: I actually don't care to have one right now, I was just trying to access an oracle server on my desktop from my laptop, and it wasn't working, so I wanted to figure out why |
| 19:06.19 | enouf | redtape: i've found all sorts of weird adapters like that at mycableshop.com for one |
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| 19:07.53 | vigge_sWe | PHP is still not working... |
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| 19:08.34 | vigge_sWe | I am prompted to download my php files |
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| 19:09.16 | vigge_sWe | so how do I enable php? |
| 19:09.54 | abrotman | AnObfuscator: ah ok |
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| 19:09.57 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: clear your browser cache and restart it |
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| 19:10.44 | vigge_sWe | ty you are the best! |
| 19:10.47 | toad_ | how do i set the global default timezone? it used to be tzconfig but there isn't a tzconfig any more? |
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| 19:11.09 | dkr | fyi, lynx http://www.google.com/ returns 400 bad request (using debian stable which has lynx-2.8.5-2sarge2.2) aptitude install lynx-cur (which is lynx-2.8.7dev4-1) resolved the issue. kind of odd to have a development version in debian stable, but I guess it isn't being worked on much anymore? |
| 19:11.23 | vigge_sWe | all otherones I asked always posted thousands of links to different programs and codes I didn't understand |
| 19:11.27 | vigge_sWe | TYVM!! |
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| 19:11.45 | tacit | dkr: I like the elinks version of links |
| 19:11.58 | Eulex | vigge_sWe, is the apache php module enabled? |
| 19:12.11 | vigge_sWe | yes it works now |
| 19:12.17 | abrotman | vigge_sWe: word of advice .. when something like that happens .. trying another browser helps too |
| 19:12.30 | Eulex | vigge_sWe, ah |
| 19:12.35 | vigge_sWe | ok |
| 19:12.36 | vigge_sWe | bye |
| 19:12.38 | harryv | hello. i have just installed etch. all i get when i boot is an 'Error loading operating system' |
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| 19:13.27 | tacit | harryv: That's a BIOS message, it can't find a bootable master boot record. |
| 19:13.32 | enouf | righ |
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| 19:13.50 | enouf | remove any floppy disks ;-) |
| 19:14.13 | tacit | harryv: I don't think you changed much, but make sure you have no floppies in, set to boot from hdd and the hdds are detected. |
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| 19:15.03 | enouf | well, i keep cdrom as 1st , HDD 2nd (then make sure no bootable cds are in when i boot to HDD) |
| 19:15.38 | harryv | no floppies what so ever. oh well, gonna rewrite the mbr |
| 19:15.39 | enouf | to me, it's much easier than having to keep switching them in the bios |
| 19:16.09 | tacit | harryv: You could create a grub floppy to get into the system, or the rescue system. |
| 19:16.10 | enouf | harryv: huh? are you booting to cd? |
| 19:16.27 | enouf | oh, "just installed etch" my bad |
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| 19:16.35 | harryv | enouf: no. but i am gonna boot into the rescuecd and restore the grub mbr |
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| 19:19.42 | xingu | abrotman: more on the -fno-stack-protector giggle; http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=120291608909092&w=2 - situation dire, hopefully improving. |
| 19:19.50 | abrotman | dire? |
| 19:20.27 | xingu | abrotman: the makefile bug has ensured that the tree has never been tested with it enabled (CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR has up till now been noop) |
| 19:20.51 | xingu | abrotman: in fact the kernel won't even boot built with it as I discovered myself last night |
| 19:21.03 | abrotman | xingu: so i see :) |
| 19:21.27 | abrotman | xingu: and you thought you were smarter than LKML :) |
| 19:21.31 | xingu | hah |
| 19:21.35 | xingu | no, I just read it |
| 19:21.45 | xingu | for fun I might add ;) |
| 19:21.57 | harryv | wtf. |
| 19:22.01 | harryv | no grub. |
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| 19:22.16 | xingu | abrotman: 2.6.25 material its seems if you follow the thread |
| 19:22.30 | ^shark_ | hi guys i have apt-get install tftpd but i cant locate the config file for this daemon!! |
| 19:22.31 | xingu | abrotman: iotw yay, more bugs to iron out! |
| 19:22.32 | abrotman | xingu: yeah .. but it's always wait/see |
| 19:22.41 | ^shark_ | someone knows where i can find it? |
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| 19:24.39 | Nyle | well hello |
| 19:24.46 | chris_hat_ir1 | must i have a link to apache2 in rc2.d to start it with systemstart? |
| 19:25.13 | Nyle | lag |
| 19:25.14 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: a link to the /etc/init.d/apache2 script, yes |
| 19:25.16 | chris_hat_ir1 | i only have it in 3.d-5.d and apache doesn't start at the beginning |
| 19:25.23 | GuilhermeBrant | does anybody know how to install Esound? |
| 19:25.25 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: thanks |
| 19:25.28 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: right... Debian uses 2 as the default runlevel |
| 19:25.32 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: either esd or esound |
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| 19:25.42 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: you could also switch your runlevel to something between 3 and 5 |
| 19:25.54 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: but that's probably the sillier solution |
| 19:25.55 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman ? |
| 19:26.05 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: i can copy the symbolic link from rc3.d ? |
| 19:26.14 | harryv | be damned |
| 19:26.16 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: should work... |
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| 19:26.18 | harryv | restored mbr. still broken. |
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| 19:27.01 | voltage_ | what message you getting harryv? |
| 19:27.14 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: make sure you use cp -a |
| 19:27.20 | harryv | "Error loading operating system" |
| 19:27.22 | harryv | all fresh install |
| 19:27.29 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: otherwise it will copy the file the link points to, instead of the link itself |
| 19:28.11 | ServerSide | OMFG |
| 19:28.21 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: i forgot the -a. can i delete the file without delete the original? sry i don't want to destroy something... |
| 19:28.27 | ServerSide | http://elitepicturehost.com/viewpic.php?code=b5f2f82c6d0a0a3094a1ebaed6648b99 after updating etqw, my prompt is in this weird language |
| 19:29.01 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: yes, just delete it (in the rc2.d directory, not in /etc/init.d) |
| 19:29.52 | Eulex | ServerSide, the script obviously failed pretty hard, use 'reset' to reset your terminal |
| 19:30.08 | harryv | voltage_: it's secondary slave .. if that matters |
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| 19:30.44 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: is there any reason, why apache does not put a start-file in rc2.d ? just for my intereset |
| 19:30.53 | tacit | harryv: Your BIOS must be able and set to boot from that drive. |
| 19:30.55 | voltage_ | I had a grub error 21 the other day. I think to fix I had to have my drive hda1 (Primary Master) |
| 19:31.02 | ServerSide | Eulex: huh, thanks, you know how I can update etqw without have this mothafuckin' shit? ^^ |
| 19:31.03 | \amethyst | ServerSide: echo -e '\017' |
| 19:31.27 | Eulex | ServerSide, no idea |
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| 19:31.39 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: it should have... did you remove and reinstall apache2 at some point in the past |
| 19:31.45 | harryv | tacit: did that. |
| 19:31.48 | abrotman | ServerSide: Enemy Territory isn't in debian |
| 19:31.54 | harryv | obviously |
| 19:31.59 | ServerSide | that's not ET, but etqw |
| 19:32.04 | g00se | Just had network off upstairs so got no IP address. Tried /etc/init.d/networking restart after turning it on but it didn't work so had to reboot. What would a shorter way have been? |
| 19:32.14 | abrotman | whatever .. not in debian |
| 19:32.21 | azeem | g00se: ifdown eth*; ifup eth* |
| 19:32.27 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: I can't remember. My Exim4 had the same behavior |
| 19:32.29 | tacit | g00se: or ifconfig |
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| 19:32.55 | izzyb | how do I tell what package a file belongs to? |
| 19:32.59 | g00se | azeem: Tried ifconfig eth0 down;ifconfig eth0 up |
| 19:33.02 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: hm... did you delete stuff manually from /etc/rc2.d at some point, perhaps accidentally? |
| 19:33.02 | tacit | But shouldn't the dhcpd just keep running and retry? |
| 19:33.21 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: I am sure not. |
| 19:33.39 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: hmm... I don't know what's going on with the missing links, then :( |
| 19:33.48 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: means i am sure, not to have ;) my english sry |
| 19:33.49 | g00se | azeem: (It didn't work) |
| 19:34.00 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: hm okay, anyway it is runnin |
| 19:34.09 | g00se | tacit: (It didn't work) |
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| 19:34.28 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: anyway, many thanks for your time |
| 19:34.36 | \amethyst | np |
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| 19:36.38 | azeem | g00se: I said ifup, not ifconfig |
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| 19:36.47 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 19:37.00 | usr_rob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.32 | g00se | azeem: OK. You did indeed. I thought it might have the same effect as the command i gave |
| 19:37.45 | azeem | well, it doesn#t |
| 19:38.14 | SamuraiDio | what vmware or similar should i use? what do you recommend? |
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| 19:38.30 | dkr | usr_rob_: I think you are confused about what a mask is |
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| 19:38.51 | usr_rob_ | dkr: yes i am |
| 19:38.58 | dkr | usr_rob_: 022 should not cause files to be created with 664 |
| 19:39.10 | g00se | azeem: OK thanks. Shall try it next time |
| 19:41.55 | usr_rob_ | dkr: now i got 666 on the files when changed it to 0775 |
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| 19:41.59 | dkr | usr_rob_: despite that innacurqcy, you can't cause files to be created executable. the mask is applied to 666 when creating files |
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| 19:42.21 | chris_hat_ir1 | my boss wants an extern to work on his server (installing, ...). Is it possible, that someone can do it without checking his data? I mean root has all privileges. Can I create a user, which can install but noch view contents of other people. That question sounds, like i answered it by myself - no root can do anything. But mybe you have an answer. |
| 19:42.24 | usr_rob_ | dkr: could you help me out how to get the files exec (755 or 775) |
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| 19:42.46 | usr_rob_ | dkr: okey |
| 19:42.55 | simmerz | why does aptitude dist-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade sometimes hang whilst installing stuff? |
| 19:43.08 | abrotman | hang? |
| 19:43.18 | abrotman | maybe it is a long process ? |
| 19:43.29 | usr_rob_ | dkr: is there a way around it, need the files to be exec thou the ftp dir is my samba share |
| 19:43.32 | r007niX | hi |
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| 19:44.13 | nebM0ft | can wget continue downloading something that links started to download? |
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| 19:44.33 | simmerz | abrotman: it's installing and configuring tzdata! |
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| 19:44.45 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: you could set up sudo so that the extern has permissions to run apt-get as root but nothing else |
| 19:44.50 | simmerz | the last thing it says is: Run 'tzconfig' if you wish to change it. |
| 19:45.17 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: something in sudoers like extern ALL=(root) /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 19:45.20 | stan-marcio | quit |
| 19:45.21 | stan-marcio | opz |
| 19:45.43 | g00se | chris_hat_ir1: You could try to do it with sudo, although it wouldn't be hugely practicable |
| 19:45.47 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: then he/she can do sudo apt-get install blah but not sudo sh |
| 19:46.06 | dkr | usr_rob_: not that I know of. sounds like a security hole to allow ftp of executable code to be run via smb shares |
| 19:46.15 | g00se | \amethyst: sorry - didn't see your comments |
| 19:46.26 | izzyb | Is there a reason for non-root users to have read access to /boot? |
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| 19:46.54 | izzyb | ie, can I chmod 750 it? |
| 19:47.07 | izzyb | or will that effect booting? |
| 19:47.12 | valdyn | izzyb: should the administrator require the root account if he only wants to see whats in /boot? |
| 19:47.23 | usr_rob_ | dkr: the ftp server has ssl |
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| 19:47.53 | izzyb | well, this is a web server and I'm trying to lock it down as much as possible |
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| 19:48.02 | \amethyst | izzyb: AFAIK grub itself doesn't care about the permissions, so chmodding it should be fine. |
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| 19:48.10 | izzyb | I don't want normal users seeing whats in there |
| 19:48.13 | valdyn | izzyb: this is pointless locking |
| 19:48.16 | \amethyst | izzyb: why not? |
| 19:48.33 | \amethyst | izzyb: how does it harm security for users to see what is there? |
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| 19:48.42 | wireddd | if I install the kde4, is it going to replace kde3.5? |
| 19:48.44 | dkr | they might find out what kernel version is running, uh-oh! |
| 19:48.48 | Tramp | \amethyst: doesn't apt-get sometimes (during configuraiont) query the user to spawn a shell (...examine the situation ...)? |
| 19:48.55 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethust: but then the extern can't edit configs from packages which have been installed by root? It would be enough to lock the database and the /var/mail/ directory |
| 19:49.04 | izzyb | probably doesn't, but why should they have access to it if it isn't needed? |
| 19:49.30 | valdyn | izzyb: the point is that an admin shouldnt need root for things like that |
| 19:49.34 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: that is a lot more difficult then |
| 19:49.36 | valdyn | izzyb: using root is dangerous |
| 19:49.46 | izzyb | true, and generally I don't |
| 19:49.59 | izzyb | but if I need to do anything in there, I can sudo |
| 19:50.09 | valdyn | izzyb: do what you want though. Its just certainly not recommended |
| 19:50.11 | usr_rob_ | dkr: the only dir that i wan't exec is in upload, there is no filformat there to worry about |
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| 19:50.16 | valdyn | izzyb: sudo is just as dangerous |
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| 19:50.36 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: but mybe possible? Or would you say definitely not? Does it make sense to invest time on that? |
| 19:50.43 | izzyb | true, which is why I don''t give such permisions to anyone except myself |
| 19:50.54 | simmerz | abrotman: every time it tries, it gets as far as the next part of the upgrade and hangs. now the last thing is unpacking replacement libc6 |
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| 19:51.06 | abrotman | simmerz: how long are you waiting ? |
| 19:51.21 | valdyn | izzyb: I bet rm -rf / really happens more often by mistake than a real intrusion happens, that is why users get to see what doesnt need to be protected from them |
| 19:51.40 | simmerz | 10 mins |
| 19:51.45 | \amethyst | chris_hat_ir1: I would say probably not... perhaps you could use ACLs to give the extern permissions on the files in /etc |
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| 19:51.58 | simmerz | never changes. I can't ctrl+c either. I have to close the ssh session |
| 19:52.25 | \amethyst | simmerz: if you connect a second time while that's happening, do top or ps -ef show anything interesting? |
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| 19:52.39 | \amethyst | simmerz: maybe a process in state 'D'? |
| 19:53.05 | \amethyst | err, ps ax # I guess -ef doesn't show the state |
| 19:53.25 | chris_hat_ir1 | \amethyst: thanks for the estimation |
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| 19:53.36 | simmerz | \amethyst: 11791 pts/0 Sl+ 0:01 aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:53.54 | \amethyst | simmerz: and the children of that process? |
| 19:54.28 | \amethyst | simmerz: (ps axf will arrange processes into a tree so you can see parent/child relationships) |
| 19:54.53 | simmerz | 11859 pts/0 Z+ 0:00 | \_ [dpkg] <defunct> is the only child |
| 19:54.58 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 19:55.25 | \amethyst | that's odd, but I'm not sure what's causing it (other than aptitude not waiting for dpkg's return value) |
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| 19:55.42 | \amethyst | simmerz: just noticed the time... I've gtg now, but good luck with that |
| 19:55.49 | simmerz | heh thanks |
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| 19:56.24 | simmerz | it's dpkg. apt-get has the same problem. almost like dpkg exits |
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| 19:57.40 | xingu | neat: http://oss.oracle.com/~cel/linux-2.6/2.6.24/nfs-iostat |
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| 19:58.26 | grownler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.35 | simmerz | almost seems like dpkg --configure is hanging |
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| 20:03.19 | simmerz | \amethyst: looks like it was because the system hadn't shut down properly and i hadn't realised. |
| 20:03.31 | simmerz | had to kill the vm manually instead |
| 20:04.30 | holycow | how do you scan for scsi devices again? |
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| 20:06.42 | idimmu | holycow: lsscsi? |
| 20:07.22 | huhlig | anyone know if there is a problem with pljava in debian |
| 20:07.23 | huhlig | ? |
| 20:07.35 | huhlig | pljava for postgres 8.1 |
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| 20:08.33 | zomak | is it possible to use dual displays with fglrx and NOT to use bid gisplay option |
| 20:08.43 | Roman123 | Is there a way to change the timer frequency of the kernel (maybe a boot option) than to recompile the kernel? |
| 20:08.50 | abrotman | zomak: maybe ask #ati |
| 20:08.53 | abrotman | Roman123: no |
| 20:09.09 | Roman123 | :( |
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| 20:11.47 | jazzcat | join #debian-es |
| 20:11.48 | jazzcat | sorry |
| 20:11.58 | Anon | can I use cvs to install stuff in debian? |
| 20:11.59 | Porsbo | how do I list, status on all packages named libglib* (status, such as installed ) |
| 20:12.06 | ross` | i just dd apt-get install ftpd and i can connect with any user but root, how do i allow root ftp login. |
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| 20:13.28 | Porsbo | Ahh, this was it: dpkg-query -l libglib\* (was looking for a apt- cmd) |
| 20:14.40 | dkr | you don't need the -query part,fyi |
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| 20:14.56 | ross` | i just dd apt-get install ftpd and i can connect with any user but root, how do i allow root ftp login?? |
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| 20:15.06 | dkr | (my crummy typing skills lead to me learning the minimum possible characters I need to type. :) |
| 20:15.33 | maligor | ross`, what? allow root to login on a plaintext system? |
| 20:15.46 | ross` | er.. i think s |
| 20:15.47 | ross` | so |
| 20:15.54 | ross` | i want to be able to ftp as root to my server |
| 20:16.01 | dkr | ross`: trying to turn debianinto a windows-level security system? |
| 20:16.07 | ross` | so i can access files as root |
| 20:16.33 | ross` | no.. im simply trying to use dreamweaver in /var/www :) |
| 20:16.45 | Porsbo | dkr: thanks |
| 20:16.46 | dkr | you shouldn't need root privs for that |
| 20:16.48 | ross` | its easier if i can ftp as root |
| 20:17.12 | ross` | anyway, can you just telll me how? |
| 20:17.35 | maligor | add yourself to www-data? |
| 20:17.52 | ross` | add root to that group? |
| 20:17.57 | maligor | your user |
| 20:18.10 | maligor | then you can edit /var/www without root |
| 20:18.30 | ross` | ah.. |
| 20:18.31 | ross` | wel |
| 20:18.35 | ross` | just tell me hwo to ftp as root |
| 20:18.40 | ross` | itll make my life simpler in many ways |
| 20:18.47 | maligor | yes, and more dangerous |
| 20:18.49 | dkr | so will running windows |
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| 20:19.10 | maligor | it's probably in the ftpd configurations |
| 20:19.11 | shrift | hello. : 0 |
| 20:19.27 | shrift | I was hoping someone could help me track down an issue... |
| 20:19.31 | shrift | I have two nic cards |
| 20:19.47 | maligor | ross`, edit /etc/ftpusers |
| 20:19.48 | ross` | shrift: that's not an issie, that's a good thing :D |
| 20:19.51 | ross` | maligor: thanks |
| 20:19.55 | shrift | and for seemingly no reason one dropped it's ip address, and the other one turned on dhcp |
| 20:20.03 | shrift | lol |
| 20:20.04 | maligor | ross`, but it's really not advisable to use it that way |
| 20:20.05 | shrift | yea ;) |
| 20:20.19 | ross` | duel-nic is sexyness |
| 20:20.20 | maligor | it's extremely bad security practice |
| 20:20.25 | shrift | my interfaces file has then both set statically |
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| 20:20.31 | shrift | and only one with a gateway |
| 20:20.31 | ross` | maligor: how will it make me any more vulnerable |
| 20:20.37 | ross` | i have port 22 open to ssh connections |
| 20:20.43 | shrift | and I can't seem to find a trace of it in any logs |
| 20:20.59 | maligor | ross`, I think ftp transmitted passwords plaintext |
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| 20:21.19 | ross` | so i should use sftp? |
| 20:21.20 | maligor | besides, it's easy to do accidents with root access |
| 20:21.36 | maligor | depends on how much you trust the link I guess |
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| 20:22.09 | Elad3 | hello.. I need help to install snd-bt-sco module... someone can help? |
| 20:22.13 | maligor | I once managed to overwrite my home directory superblocks with garbage once |
| 20:22.23 | maligor | it was one of those rooty oops feelings |
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| 20:22.50 | maligor | thank god that the fs stored an extra pair |
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| 20:25.02 | Anonissimus | is there a way to implement gmake in a debian system? |
| 20:25.16 | Eulex | make is gmake on debian |
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| 20:26.07 | Anonissimus | ah k :) |
| 20:26.10 | Anonissimus | sorry foor noobism |
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| 20:26.59 | JW | Anyone know where I can find a package of ImageMagick 6.3.x compiled for Debian Stable? There isn't one on backports.org |
| 20:27.01 | muramasa | Hi there. Sorry for bothering you all, but I've been searching around the web for help telp to setup japanese input in debian, but I can't find anything at all. Could someone perhaps point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:27.30 | dondelelcaro | JW: there isn't one because that version isn't even in unstable. |
| 20:27.33 | newbie | hello good day to ALL |
| 20:27.43 | dondelelcaro | JW: you'll have to build it using uscan or similar yourself. |
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| 20:28.08 | newbie | I have just installed debian and can't ssh with putty from my laptop |
| 20:28.09 | craigevil | muramasa: try http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1395538 (Configuring Debian for Japanese input@Everything2.com) |
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| 20:28.21 | JW | dondelelcaro: yeah I know it's in "experimental". I've been trying to build it for a couple hours. Having Dependancy nightmares |
| 20:28.27 | newbie | error reads network error- connection refused |
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| 20:28.41 | newbie | any ideas |
| 20:28.52 | muramasa | craigevil, thank you, will look into that one :-) |
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| 20:30.19 | newbie | can someone help me with an ssh problem please |
| 20:30.20 | Porsbo | could anyone running lenny, paste me the output of 'dpkg -l "libglib" ' in a private |
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| 20:30.36 | Porsbo | s/lenny/a working lenny/ |
| 20:31.26 | newbie | anyone at all |
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| 20:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 20:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | no patience in ppl today |
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| 20:33.05 | craigevil | they all want to be spoon fed, god forbid they actually google for the answer first |
| 20:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was more referring to... he joined 14:28, left 14:33 |
| 20:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... SURE, everyone was just WAITING for him |
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| 20:35.05 | xan | Hello, when someone is connecting to my ftp and the ident does a lookup it hangs 20 seconds when the user has no ident set.. how can I disable this feature or reduce the wait time? |
| 20:35.06 | xingu | there is no spoon |
| 20:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | very true... dpkg sais so, it must be right! |
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| 20:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ident? for ftp? |
| 20:38.10 | imagine | Hello, I would like to know what I'm doing wrong with Bind9, I want to start checking at the log but I don't seem to find them in /var/log/ |
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| 20:38.15 | imagine | any idea where to look at ? |
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| 20:38.29 | I440r | how can i do mkinitrd from within a chroot |
| 20:39.16 | I440r | i have gentoo sort of instaled, dont know how much is missing because i cant boot it at all. the system is installed on a USB hard drive and the pre-compiled kernel doesnt work with it |
| 20:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I440r: with a copy of mkinitrd... chroot is completely independent |
| 20:39.31 | I440r | this was all installed within a chroot using debootstrat |
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| 20:40.03 | I440r | CutMeOwnThroat, no sir, totally incorrect |
| 20:40.06 | I440r | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.23-gentoo-r3: Not a directory |
| 20:40.06 | I440r | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: MODULES needs to be set to none? |
| 20:40.38 | I440r | the host system im chrooted from is a GENTOO system. mkinitrd is using uname -r and getting a wrong name |
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| 20:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | makes sense |
| 20:41.24 | I440r | i cant even do depmod -a because depmod is using uname -r too |
| 20:41.29 | I440r | how do i get past this? |
| 20:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | uname -r doesn't depend on files |
| 20:41.45 | I440r | uname -r depends on the currently RUNNING kernel |
| 20:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 20:41.49 | I440r | NOT the one im building |
| 20:42.08 | I440r | how do i mkinitrd inside a chroot? |
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| 20:43.08 | Porsbo | any idea how to solve this: checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.2... no ( I have libglib1.2ldbl 1.2.10-19 , libglib2.0-0 2.14.5-2, libglib2.0-dat 2.14.5-2) |
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| 20:43.49 | chandor | Porsbo: -dev |
| 20:43.52 | I440r | im basically screwed then. cant do a debian install OTHER than with debootstrap and i canot get any of the pre compiled kernels to BOOT after an install |
| 20:43.55 | Porsbo | chandor: thx |
| 20:44.08 | I440r | but i cant build the kernel and the initramfs because im in a chroot |
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| 20:44.30 | dondelelcaro | I440r: sure you can |
| 20:44.48 | I440r | i asked how |
| 20:44.54 | I440r | i didnt say "it cant be done" |
| 20:44.58 | I440r | i said "i cant do it" |
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| 20:45.10 | dondelelcaro | I440r: just chroot and run mkinitramfs version, and kindly stop overusing enter. |
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| 20:46.16 | I440r | erm how do i specify "version" i tried 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 20:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... SYNOPSIS line of the manpage... how easily overlooked :) |
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| 20:47.23 | dondelelcaro | I440r: depends on what kernel you want to build; update-initramfs -k 2.6.18-6-686; should do the right thing, assuming you have the -6 kernel installed and not the -5 kernel. |
| 20:47.43 | dondelelcaro | I440r: if it fails, provide the complete output |
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| 20:48.35 | I440r | it just gives me the output of the -h switch hang on looking deeper |
| 20:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I440r: you need -o outfile |
| 20:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 20:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong |
| 20:49.35 | I440r | no. the -h stuff doesnt say it needs -o |
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| 20:52.04 | I440r | so this isnt working |
| 20:52.35 | tombhadAC | re |
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| 20:53.27 | I440r | update-initramfs just gives the help info no matter what parameters i pass. im typing it exactly like you said and like IT says but it refuses to do anything other than give -h |
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| 20:54.55 | I440r | so how do i mkinitrd from within a chroot?? :) lol |
| 20:55.15 | imagine | Hey my server has a DNS server. Right now it works when I use it from this server (using SSH) but when I try to access dns with my laptop connected to the network.. it doesn't work.. is it because I have not entered my server as the gateway ? ( I have a router also) |
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| 20:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I440r: no, that was still mkinitram - but did you supply -c ? |
| 20:56.32 | I440r | no i didnt lol |
| 20:56.40 | I440r | that generated an initrd file |
| 20:56.45 | Justin | imagine: ask that question again replacing all the "it"s with something more specific |
| 20:57.07 | shamrock | Hi. Ages ago I installed an NVIdia beta driver. But what package/settings should I use if i wish to remove this? My card is a 8800gts and I would provide to use the debian "supported" driver (if there is any) in the packagemanager. I would compiz and dual desktops still to work. Any pointers/suggestions? |
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| 20:57.22 | I440r | is there a similar trick to do depmod -a within a chroot? |
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| 20:57.50 | I440r | yes -v |
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| 20:58.26 | crumblenaut | anyone know of any issues that might cause a healthy server to run appallingly slow for no apparent reason? the problem seems to be I/O, it's using the aacraid driver. it's fine in LiveCD, but really slow with a multitude of debian-packaged and manually built kernels that have been tested fine on other boxes |
| 20:59.05 | Anonissimus | how can I check if the readline lib is present? |
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| 21:02.43 | Mr-R | Anonissimus: try "aptitude search readline" |
| 21:02.45 | phyburn | I am trying to setup a PPTP VPN server on my system, and I'm wondering if I need to setup any kind of IP routing. |
| 21:03.21 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: unless you have specific requirements that require you to use pptp, you'll have much more happiness with openvpn |
| 21:03.50 | phyburn | dondelelcaro, I'm using PPTP only because people wont need to install any software |
| 21:04.04 | Anonissimus | Mr-R: yeah it shows me a list of possible packages |
| 21:04.07 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: they'll have to install software on linux... |
| 21:04.28 | phyburn | dondelelcaro, this is mostly for Mac OS X and Windblows users |
| 21:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | crumblenaut: yes, if the HD is dying |
| 21:05.42 | Mr-R | Anonissimus: so the lines with "i" at the beginning are already installed. if you try to compile some source and it is not finding lib readline, install one of the -dev packages... |
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| 21:07.05 | crumblenaut | CutMeOwnThroat: it works fine when booted off a Gentoo Livecd though |
| 21:07.16 | crumblenaut | it seems to be something to do with the debian install thats fucked |
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| 21:07.42 | crumblenaut | its raid5 as well and we've already checked the array status |
| 21:08.27 | smacnay | does anyone know if and how firefox/iceweasel can change it's browser identification? |
| 21:08.34 | ServerSide | Checking for C++ header file SDL/SDL.h... no |
| 21:08.37 | ServerSide | How can I install it? |
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| 21:09.03 | chandor | smacnay: useragent-switcher (extension) |
| 21:09.22 | smacnay | chandor, thanks |
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| 21:10.00 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: or about:config |
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| 21:11.08 | smacnay | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 21:11.36 | I440r | ok it boots sort of. it gets stuck at waiting for root fs. so i looked and yea ext3 IS a module |
| 21:11.46 | I440r | wouldnt the initramfs have loaded taht module? |
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| 21:14.29 | DawnLight | how can i wipe the contents of a HDD? |
| 21:14.48 | enouf | I440r: what's in /etc/initramfs-tools/* would determine how it's made |
| 21:15.08 | \amethyst | DawnLight: how secure of a wipe? |
| 21:15.09 | enouf | DawnLight: overwrite it with /dev/zero using dd |
| 21:15.35 | enouf | depending |
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| 21:15.59 | DawnLight | \amethyst: not recoverable by common means |
| 21:16.16 | I440r | k |
| 21:16.17 | enouf | I440r: make sure you also have support for your HDD controller |
| 21:16.20 | I440r | ill go look there |
| 21:16.22 | \amethyst | DawnLight: dd as enouf suggests is sufficient for that |
| 21:16.23 | DawnLight | enouf: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hdb didn't do anything |
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| 21:16.35 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 21:16.38 | I440r | its a usb drive - would that be considered sata? |
| 21:16.40 | I440r | or ide? |
| 21:16.44 | \amethyst | DawnLight: /dev/random only provides a limited amount of data, then blocks |
| 21:16.48 | enouf | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb |
| 21:16.50 | I440r | or is it under usb devices? |
| 21:16.59 | solemnwarning | How is the /lib/modules/x.x.x-x tree created on xen domUs? |
| 21:17.16 | solemnwarning | There isn't a kernel package installed, but I've got the tree for my old kernel |
| 21:17.16 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 21:17.17 | Anonissimus | thanx a lot Mr-R =) working now |
| 21:17.23 | enouf | I440r: i don't use isb, don't know, but scsi, usb-storage |
| 21:17.30 | enouf | s/isb/usb |
| 21:17.36 | I440r | ya |
| 21:17.45 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: you want the linux-modules-2.6.XY-Z-xen-686 package |
| 21:17.56 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
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| 21:18.31 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: (assuming you're using the 2.6.XY-Z-xen-686 kernel, that is) |
| 21:18.39 | Woosta | How do I know which release a machine is running? |
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| 21:19.07 | joltcan | Woosta: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:19.12 | Woosta | heh |
| 21:19.13 | abrotman | !version |
| 21:19.13 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 21:19.13 | Woosta | simple :-D |
| 21:19.41 | Woosta | I see it's an FAQ |
| 21:19.50 | joltcan | Absolutely |
| 21:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | crumblenaut: but a gentoo livecd wouldn't access the disks... |
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| 21:20.21 | Supaplex | !factinfo version |
| 21:20.22 | dpkg | version -- last modified at Tue Oct 30 12:36:30 2007 by themill!n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk; it has been requested 72 times, last by abrotman, 1m 8s ago. |
| 21:20.34 | Supaplex | looks like it's a 72 times asked FAQ so far. :) |
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| 21:20.48 | abrotman | should be more than that .. i think the counter is busted |
| 21:20.52 | abrotman | or got reset when he changed it |
| 21:21.05 | Supaplex | or we don't rely on !version that much. |
| 21:21.13 | Supaplex | !factinfo based on debian |
| 21:21.13 | dpkg | based on debian -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@203-214-97-147.dyn.iinet.net.au> at Tue Aug 28 01:20:02 2007 (169 days); it has been requested 138 times, last by weasel, 4h 4m 14s ago. |
| 21:21.13 | enouf | when not sure what the computer you're ssh'd into is, try cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} |
| 21:21.30 | abrotman | see |
| 21:21.34 | Supaplex | uname -a might give other clues too. |
| 21:21.41 | Litium36o | I need a little support about installing a new sound hardware on a XBox360 Linux Debian (PPC) someone can help me or suggest a place to go get help? |
| 21:21.43 | enouf | i like /proc/version ;-) |
| 21:21.46 | Supaplex | might, as in, not difinitive. |
| 21:21.58 | abrotman | it should be rewritten to be more clear |
| 21:22.00 | Woosta | Supaplex: that was the first thing I tried .. but wasn't really helpful other than for kernel version |
| 21:22.02 | abrotman | maybe later ... |
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| 21:22.23 | enouf | i've found /proc/version grabs a clue about many of the rhel, el, and fc variants |
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| 21:22.56 | I440r | erm. ok so im seeing references to an ipw3945-modules for etch but i cant apt-get it |
| 21:23.02 | I440r | it says it cant find the package. |
| 21:23.17 | enouf | !ipw3945 |
| 21:23.17 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". |
| 21:23.26 | I440r | and apt-cache search ipw finds nothing |
| 21:23.39 | I440r | aha |
| 21:23.44 | enouf | you need 'contrib non-free' |
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| 21:23.57 | junix-work | hi, i just did an update from security.debian.org of mysql, and now i am getting this error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 21:24.00 | I440r | wheres my sources list? ive not used debian in years lol |
| 21:24.01 | junix-work | its also failing to stop the server |
| 21:24.07 | enouf | omg |
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| 21:24.17 | enouf | I440r: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 21:24.26 | enouf | I440r: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 21:24.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: hehe :) tough day, eh? |
| 21:25.06 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: trying to maintain the 'self help' theory ;-) |
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| 21:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: you mean like... put a man in a warm room and it'll warm him for a day, put him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life? :) |
| 21:25.58 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: (or, "the set a man afire with a fish" thing O.o) |
| 21:28.02 | js_ | is there something i can use to start a process on a specific machine? |
| 21:28.13 | Supaplex | js_: ssh |
| 21:28.51 | js_ | youre quite right, but the process needs to be tracked so it can be shut down easily |
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| 21:29.14 | enouf | anu more requirements in your vague question? |
| 21:29.24 | enouf | s/anu/any |
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| 21:30.21 | enouf | besides, processes are tracked by the kernel |
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| 21:30.57 | Supaplex | !tell js_ -about don't work |
| 21:31.03 | d4t4min3r | hey |
| 21:31.06 | Supaplex | !tell js_ -about smart questions |
| 21:31.18 | d4t4min3r | I have a site I just took down so I can do what ever with it... anyone have any web site ideas |
| 21:31.20 | enouf | don't work == doesn't work ? ;-) |
| 21:31.24 | d4t4min3r | im stumped |
| 21:32.02 | abrotman | d4t4min3r: how is this related to Debian ? |
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| 21:32.04 | enouf | d4t4min3r: index.html ftw |
| 21:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | a don't work factoid that actually works would be kind of pointless :) |
| 21:32.16 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 21:32.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:32.21 | Supaplex | it does to work |
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| 21:32.25 | abrotman | too |
| 21:32.27 | d4t4min3r | enouf: index.htm? |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | d4t4min3r: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 21:32.33 | enouf | ahh symlinked ;-) |
| 21:32.37 | abrotman | d4t4min3r: "took it down" how? |
| 21:32.39 | benjamindees | can anyone tell me where 'updatedb' resides in Debian? |
| 21:32.45 | abrotman | benjamindees: findutils |
| 21:32.53 | abrotman | !tell benjamindees about search |
| 21:32.56 | d4t4min3r | abrotman: it isnt, my old site was well... I got lots of emails saying take you are site down |
| 21:33.03 | d4t4min3r | so I did |
| 21:33.11 | abrotman | d4t4min3r: maybe ask #web |
| 21:33.20 | d4t4min3r | good idea, thanks |
| 21:33.21 | js_ | enouf: yeah, i want a utility that can start/stop processes on any given machine, and that shows a list of the ones ive started with it |
| 21:33.39 | d4t4min3r | right now I just have youtube videos that I thought were interesting posted on it |
| 21:33.42 | d4t4min3r | so im looking for ideas |
| 21:33.43 | d4t4min3r | I dono |
| 21:33.47 | benjamindees | thank you abrotman |
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| 21:35.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | d4t4min3r: you're aware of that... it should generally be the other way around... you have some information you want to share, you make a website to do so... I think the web doesn't really require more sites that have nothing to say :) |
| 21:35.42 | enouf | js_: i still don't understand fully, unless you mean ssh + top + pidof + kill and friends .. or do you mean automated entirely ? |
| 21:35.58 | jeward | Can someone explain to me what the numbers in parens are at the end of the line in ldd output? |
| 21:36.05 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.07 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: 21:33 -!- d4t4min3r [n=JESSICA@207.144.56.20] has left #debian [] |
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| 21:36.34 | enouf | jeward: memory offsets? |
| 21:36.37 | Supaplex | js_: it's called a sysadmin ;) |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | he could put the pid in a file in /var/run |
| 21:37.00 | jeward | enouf: so those being different from one host to the next is not a concern. |
| 21:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex: slow typer it seems :( thx - I normally assume that after a successful nick-completion the guy is still there... so I indeed hadn't noticed |
| 21:37.05 | js_ | enouf: say i need to run 100 instances of a process, and i use 10 machines to split 10 processes on every one, but instead of only having load balancing, i want control over which process goes where |
| 21:37.16 | isleshocky77 | When trying to install mysql-server-5.0 everything goes through smoothly until it tries starting up mysql server which it fails with the following error: "invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" I have tried purging, reinstalling, 5 times with no luck. Any ideas? |
| 21:37.23 | enouf | jeward: i think not, but not entirely sure |
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| 21:37.42 | senorpedro | hi folks |
| 21:37.51 | rjent | Greetings, could someone suggest to me a dual gbNIC amd desktop server board? |
| 21:37.52 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you too? heh |
| 21:37.54 | senorpedro | does anybody know where i can download mtp-tools_0.2.4-5_i386.deb? |
| 21:38.01 | bush | apt |
| 21:38.05 | abrotman | !info mtp-tools |
| 21:38.07 | jeward | enouf: I'm trying to figure out why mysql is stable on a etch box built from scratch and unstable on an etch box upgraded from sarge. |
| 21:38.10 | dpkg | mtp-tools: (Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 21:38.17 | abrotman | !tell senorpedro about sdn |
| 21:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | js_: something like... beowulf? |
| 21:38.28 | enouf | js_: sounds like clustering and tasksetting |
| 21:38.32 | senorpedro | thx abrotman |
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| 21:38.41 | enouf | js_: even distCC |
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| 21:39.14 | enouf | (though i suppose that's not as controllable/configurable) |
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| 21:39.21 | Roman123 | An advanced question for the kernel geeks: How can I check the kernel timer frequency of the current running kernel? |
| 21:39.22 | abrotman | rjent: ##hardware |
| 21:39.22 | js_ | i'm using grid engine right now but it messes around with the processes and puts them into sleep now and then, which messes with what they do |
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| 21:39.30 | biguphpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.39 | enouf | jeward: wow, i wouldn't know, sry |
| 21:39.44 | Supaplex | !anyone using eclipse under debian unstable |
| 21:39.52 | Supaplex | biguphpc: just ask |
| 21:40.15 | biguphpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.36 | biguphpc | tested 3.3.1.1 and 3.2, the same eclipse/workspace is working under ubuntu |
| 21:40.50 | Supaplex | js_: http://clusterresources.com/ supposedly has some FOSS. their commerical offering is more upscale (and possibly overkill for your needs) |
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| 21:41.05 | biguphpc | i can not work anymore wating 1min for each file to open |
| 21:41.16 | enouf | jeward: i guess you could do things like readelf -a /lib/ld-linux.so.2 to see info about the ELFs, but i doubt that's your issue .. |
| 21:41.28 | biguphpc | i would like to know if someone has the same problems |
| 21:41.32 | Supaplex | biguphpc: unstable, truth in advertising. |
| 21:41.41 | Supaplex | !tell biguphpc -about bts |
| 21:41.45 | Supaplex | !tell biguphpc -about downgrade |
| 21:41.53 | js_ | Supaplex: alright, i'll check it out |
| 21:42.11 | biguphpc | i thought the cause was gtk, but downgraded gtk to testing not helped |
| 21:42.11 | jeward | enouf: Thanks. |
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| 21:42.32 | mihk | is any section in kdevelop UI to specify static libs to be included at linking ? |
| 21:42.49 | biguphpc | Supaplex: i don't use the eclipse debian package but one directly downloaded from eclipse website |
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| 21:43.37 | Roman123 | argh, I hate when dpkg -i <kernel-image> updates my grub entries automatically. How can I disable that? The option updatedefaultentry=false in menu.lst doesn't do that. |
| 21:44.04 | enouf | Roman123: grep HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:44.50 | mihk | I cannot include a static library (e.g. -o ../libgui/debug/.libs/libgui.a ) at linking time in kdevelop. any ideas ?? |
| 21:44.54 | enouf | (and grepping a config option isn't really 'kernel geeky' in my book ;-)) |
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| 21:45.09 | Supaplex | biguphpc: how are we suppose to support it then? |
| 21:45.22 | enouf | Roman123: look at update-grub |
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| 21:45.31 | narayan44 | hello |
| 21:45.46 | enouf | Roman123: actually /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 21:45.56 | enouf | er possibly .. gah |
| 21:46.03 | narayan44 | I got a problem with dpkg, can anyone help? |
| 21:46.07 | biguphpc | Supaple: just try to find another guy using eclipse under debian unstable to ask him some questions |
| 21:46.09 | enouf | it should be possible in grub menu.list config .. iinm |
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| 21:46.24 | biguphpc | Supaplex: just try to find another guy using eclipse under debian unstable to ask him some questions |
| 21:46.47 | narayan44 | I got a package with a bad install script crapping up dpkg, and apt tries removing it everytime I try and upgrade, then craps out |
| 21:47.09 | startxwhite | has anyone here managed to use a madwifi G card on a Pentium 133 or lower? |
| 21:47.33 | Supaplex | biguphpc: it's not relavant. debian applies their own patches, and it's most likely your version isn't even in sid yet. what's with the shiney new version syndrome. can't you use testing packages? |
| 21:47.37 | jim | narayan44: bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 21:47.53 | bush | narayan44: can you force an uninstall? |
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| 21:48.03 | narayan44 | tried already |
| 21:48.10 | narayan44 | I tried purge |
| 21:48.21 | narayan44 | and --force-all --purge |
| 21:48.22 | Supaplex | startxwhite: my p166 laptop had a braindead set of cardslots. other than that, it was nearly working. some cards would work, but the machine was toast. :( |
| 21:48.37 | jim | have you read the bug reports? |
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| 21:49.26 | jim | as you can see when it comes to lifting a finger they won't even answer a simple question |
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| 21:50.32 | startxwhite | my P133 works ok and until last night my orinoco classic gold wireless card was working. it stopped working on the P133 for unknown reasons but it works on other laptop running gnu/linux. i asked for help here but got no solution |
| 21:50.55 | narayan44 | I installed a deb I found on the internet not debian.org |
| 21:51.00 | narayan44 | mistake, I know, but I need to fix it |
| 21:51.10 | JoeThomas | Hi, if I SSH into my server from another computer. How can I run a command such as mplayer(in tty) and still be able to run other commands. Without running screen. I thought i could do "command &" |
| 21:51.24 | dondelelcaro | JoeThomas: yes, that works. |
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| 21:51.37 | startxwhite | so now i am going to use a madwifi G card i have and install the drivers on debian etch |
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| 21:51.42 | biguphpc | Supaplex: yep i will try thanks for your answer |
| 21:52.24 | muramasa | Hi people! I'm trying hard to get my Realtek 268 chip working, but nothing I do seems to fix it. Has anyone experience on this matter? |
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| 21:52.33 | JoeThomas | dondelelcaro: will it not work if there is an error? |
| 21:52.56 | dondelelcaro | JoeThomas: it'll work even if there is an error. |
| 21:53.01 | JoeThomas | Hmm |
| 21:53.01 | jim | muramasa: list everything you tried |
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| 21:54.31 | muramasa | jim, newer ALSA version, different alsaconfs, making a clean install on another partition to see if there was any problem |
| 21:54.33 | JoeThomas | dondelelcaro: If I ssh into it, but not logged in straight to the computer, will it still be able to play? |
| 21:55.04 | \amethyst | JoeThomas: it will play, normally to the sound card in the remote PC |
| 21:55.07 | dondelelcaro | JoeThomas: depends on what you're playing and where you expect it to output to. |
| 21:55.14 | jim | muramasa: have you ever gotten that hardware to work under linux? do you know anyone who has? |
| 21:55.14 | \amethyst | JoeThomas: that is, the one you are sshing into... |
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| 21:55.48 | JoeThomas | Well my intent is to play the output to the speakers of the machine that I'm sshing into. |
| 21:56.06 | \amethyst | JoeThomas: then it should work |
| 21:56.12 | JoeThomas | \amethyst: hmm |
| 21:56.13 | jim | there's that pulseaudio thing |
| 21:56.35 | muramasa | jim, myself; no, not in any dist. but according to forums, people have actually made it work, seems none of them work for me so far though :-( |
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| 21:56.49 | JoeThomas | well I'm going to reinstall mplayer. Just incase the lirc is triggering something else and halting it. |
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| 21:57.17 | narayan44 | anyways how do I get rid of this .deb package with is stuck? |
| 21:57.23 | bigjohnto | how can i reprobe my devices, keyboard is acting all funny in the OS |
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| 21:57.50 | jim | the people who did get it to work, find out exact kernel version and what driver they used and which version of the alsa that contains the driver |
| 21:57.50 | \amethyst | narayan44: is it the postinst script that's failing? |
| 21:58.16 | \amethyst | narayan44: if so you could try putting exit 0 near the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
| 21:58.44 | jim | see if you can replicate one of their setups, and find out your hardware version and their hardwaare version |
| 21:59.01 | \amethyst | narayan44: that will at least let you remove it (you might also need to do the same thing to the .prerm and/or .postrm) |
| 21:59.09 | muramasa | jim, ah, I'll try to do that. thanks for your advice :-) |
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| 21:59.43 | jim | failing that (grasping at straws here), find out how your other hardware (memory, mobo, cpu) compares to their's |
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| 22:00.12 | joanne^^ | sudo apt-get update |
| 22:00.14 | joanne^^ | oops |
| 22:00.30 | narayan44 | thanks |
| 22:00.36 | bigjohnto | any know how i can reprobe my hardware devices? keyboard is acting funny in vmware debian linux |
| 22:00.39 | enouf | Roman123: er, you didn't remove the from in front of updatedefaultentry=false .. did you? |
| 22:02.54 | narayan44 | Wahoo it worked |
| 22:03.01 | narayan44 | thanks \amethyst |
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| 22:03.42 | narayan44 | now I must be departing |
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| 22:06.16 | Farhad | hi guys |
| 22:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | bigjohnto: only way is to restart X or even reboot |
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| 22:06.57 | Farhad | where i can find beowulf package for download? in beowulf.org there isn't any link for download |
| 22:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beowulf |
| 22:07.09 | dpkg | somebody said beowulf was that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
| 22:08.38 | x_link | dsadadsds |
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| 22:08.57 | ross` | what do i do with a .so file |
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| 22:09.07 | ross` | debian4-pam_rootkit.so |
| 22:09.17 | ross` | im trying to install this pam authkit |
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| 22:09.27 | ross` | and idk how to install or what to do with a .so |
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| 22:09.49 | \amethyst | ross`: .so is just a shared library |
| 22:09.57 | ross` | i got that from google |
| 22:10.01 | ross` | so what do i do with it |
| 22:10.14 | \amethyst | ross`: in this case, it's a pam library, so you should check the pam documentation |
| 22:10.19 | ross` | is there a way to auto install it.. or do i have to like extract it |
| 22:10.23 | Farhad | 2 links of 3link in debian.org/ports/beowulf has been expired! and there isn't any link for download in beowulf.org |
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| 22:10.34 | ross` | mmm |
| 22:10.41 | Farhad | !openmosix |
| 22:10.41 | dpkg | openmosix is probably http://openmosix.sourceforge.net, or is the GPLv2, Open Source, project to extend the outstanding Mosix project. New releases of Mosix became proprietary software in late 2001 Not appropriate for true parallel programs, where interconnect speed matters (and ethernet won't cut it) |
| 22:10.43 | ross` | so what do i do with it then.. |
| 22:11.36 | \amethyst | ross`: is there a good reason you're installing a rootkit? |
| 22:12.17 | Bushmills | ross`: check whether your /etc/ld.so.conf.d contains a reference to /usr/local/lib |
| 22:12.19 | jim | ross`: is this your machine? |
| 22:12.42 | ross` | this is my pachine |
| 22:12.45 | ross` | im not hacking anyones pachine |
| 22:12.47 | \amethyst | Bushmills: ld.so.conf isn't relevant because this is a pam module, and pam looks in a particular place for those |
| 22:12.58 | ross` | im installing this rootkit so i can access all my accounts and everything with 1 password |
| 22:13.02 | ross` | simple as that |
| 22:13.08 | valdyn | geez |
| 22:13.12 | \amethyst | ... |
| 22:13.19 | Farhad | any one knows why openmosix has been died? |
| 22:13.23 | \amethyst | why not just set their passwords all to the same thing? |
| 22:13.34 | Bushmills | \amethyst: oh.. right. should have looked further up. |
| 22:13.45 | abrotman | \amethyst: or just login as root ? |
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| 22:14.59 | valdyn | ross`: sudo does this too |
| 22:15.10 | Greek-Boy | why is dig not available on debian? |
| 22:15.12 | valdyn | ross`: in a sane way |
| 22:15.18 | Bushmills | Greek-Boy: it is |
| 22:15.27 | abrotman | Greek-Boy: dnsutils |
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| 22:16.08 | Greek-Boy | thank you |
| 22:16.12 | \amethyst | ross`: man pam.conf, look for 'module-path'. I think this is a bad idea for a number of reasons, but if you want to root your own box go ahead |
| 22:17.03 | \amethyst | If you have users, you should at least tell them their passwords are being logged |
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| 22:18.46 | ross` | im doing this to log suspicious users |
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| 22:18.57 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 22:18.57 | ross` | and also convenience |
| 22:19.40 | abrotman | logging is different than breaking your own system |
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| 22:20.03 | abrotman | !info acct etch |
| 22:20.05 | \amethyst | ross`: logging their password is different from logging suspicious users |
| 22:20.07 | dpkg | acct: (The GNU Accounting utilities for process and login accounting), section admin, is optional. Version: 6.4~pre1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 22:20.10 | Ace2016 | i know there are lots of sysadmin types here, so i would like some advice on how to best encrypt an external hard drive, it is not intended for mobile use, purely used as a storage drive |
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| 22:21.02 | phpusmo | Hey |
| 22:21.28 | Meshen | Hello |
| 22:21.32 | Ace2016 | Hi |
| 22:21.34 | ross` | Mr-R: think's im hacking someones box |
| 22:21.35 | ross` | rofl |
| 22:21.38 | phpusmo | I just ordered a VPS with debian on it |
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| 22:21.55 | phpusmo | how can I host a site on that server? Don't I need to install apache and php or something? |
| 22:22.01 | Ace2016 | ooo cool, whats a vps? |
| 22:22.05 | maxamillion | phpusmo: yes |
| 22:22.08 | Ace2016 | something power supply? |
| 22:22.10 | maxamillion | Ace2016: virtual private server |
| 22:22.11 | Schiz0 | phpusmo: Hmm. Maybe you should be using windows :-P |
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| 22:22.19 | abrotman | ross`: that's probably better than the opinion most of us have of you |
| 22:22.23 | Ace2016 | oh virtual? not a real server? |
| 22:22.27 | Meshen | Do someone know if exist or if its possible to use ettercap on the internet, external hosts ?? |
| 22:22.33 | Ace2016 | like debian in vmware or what? |
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| 22:22.44 | phpusmo | maxamillion, what if I just installed plesk? would that install everything else I need? |
| 22:22.46 | winther | hi |
| 22:22.50 | valdyn | Ace2016: yes, like that |
| 22:22.52 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 22:23.07 | Schiz0 | phpusmo: Apache is a webserver. You need that to serve webpages. PHP is a server side scripting language. You need that only if you want to run php scripts in your webserver |
| 22:23.08 | Mr-R | uhm. |
| 22:23.11 | winther | is there a way to copy the acl definitions from one folder to another? |
| 22:23.14 | valdyn | Ace2016: main thing is that you get to share hardware with other vps |
| 22:23.17 | ross` | am i not aloud to root my own server cor my own convenience |
| 22:23.18 | ross` | ? |
| 22:23.35 | maxamillion | phpusmo: no ... not so much |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | ross`: then ask on efnet .. not ehre |
| 22:23.46 | abrotman | here |
| 22:24.02 | maxamillion | phpusmo: http://wiki.debian.org/Apache |
| 22:24.08 | Ace2016 | valdyn: share hardware? with multiple vms? whats the point? the overhead involved of vms will slow it down right? one os on one pc would be a lot faster |
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| 22:24.29 | valdyn | Ace2016: and more expensive per os too |
| 22:24.37 | valdyn | Ace2016: vps are cheap |
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| 22:25.05 | Ace2016 | yea i guess they are cheap, apart from that i fail to see why they are so good |
| 22:25.07 | phpusmo | I just checked my sources.list and it's empty.. |
| 22:25.16 | abrotman | !tell phpusmo about sources.list |
| 22:25.24 | valdyn | Ace2016: they arent good, they do what they do. |
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| 22:25.40 | valdyn | Ace2016: they're good enough for some applications |
| 22:25.47 | phpusmo | abrotman, so I need to add them in myself? |
| 22:26.03 | maxamillion | wow ... |
| 22:26.26 | abrotman | phpusmo: well .. they should have been there after you installed |
| 22:26.51 | maxamillion | phpusmo: http://www.debian.org/doc/ <--- there is probably a bit of info you could use that will be located there |
| 22:26.56 | phpusmo | yeah that's what I thought..most servers already have the correct sources in it |
| 22:27.12 | maxamillion | abrotman: he said it came preloaded with his VPS, so its possible it was different |
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| 22:27.47 | muramasa | hm jim, would you if if it would be hard to translate a ubuntu 7.10 fix for my sound card problem into something workable for debian? |
| 22:27.55 | abrotman | maxamillion: it is |
| 22:28.45 | jim | would I what now? (/me is a bit loopy atm; you'll have to excuse me) |
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| 22:29.54 | abrotman | jim: just put on the dress and be quiet! |
| 22:29.57 | Ace2016 | muramasa: is the fix complicated? can you give a forum link? |
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| 22:30.23 | muramasa | Ace2016, not really, but I'm a total newb ;) http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-577054.html |
| 22:30.24 | huhlig | anyone here know how to get postgresql 8.1, pljava and debian to play nice together? |
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| 22:31.15 | Asmooh | sangria (L) |
| 22:31.36 | abrotman | sangria might help .. but pljava might not want any! |
| 22:32.00 | muramasa | This part "Using System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager, install linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-rt." is what I'm unsure over how to get on debian |
| 22:32.10 | Ace2016 | muramasa: yea that'll work fine in debian, i have a dv9562 and i used a similar solution, i added options snd-hda-intel model=laptop to fix my issue, although i have the nvidia chipset |
| 22:33.00 | muramasa | Ace2016, I have a dv9525 which also use the nvidia chipset I believe. But did you do anything such as 'linux-backports'? |
| 22:33.00 | enouf | .msg dpkg oldlibs |
| 22:33.11 | enouf | whoops |
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| 22:34.17 | Ace2016 | please note you will need the latest kernels to get things to work correctly, like my lcd control buttons, so i now use debian sid which seems to allow everything to work, apart from the wifi which i don't really use since i'm paranoid someone will jack my router |
| 22:34.25 | Ace2016 | so i use the wired connection only |
| 22:34.42 | muramasa | ah, perhaps should convert to sid as well.... |
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| 22:35.49 | Ace2016 | even if in sid, i needed that line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base to get the headphone jack to work correctly |
| 22:35.53 | jim | let everyone connect to your network who wants to... but you name your net: ILogUPakets |
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| 22:37.23 | Ace2016 | so how is that supposed to scare anyone, i'd use someone's wireless if that was the connection name, download lots too |
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| 22:37.54 | _ergo_ | hello |
| 22:37.59 | Ace2016 | hi ) |
| 22:38.00 | _ergo_ | im a begginer user |
| 22:38.00 | jim | true, if you're not doing anything wrong other than using the connection |
| 22:38.03 | maxamillion | _ergo_: hi |
| 22:38.06 | Ace2016 | welcome |
| 22:38.07 | _ergo_ | now i did something very stupid ;-) |
| 22:38.14 | _ergo_ | i was logged as user |
| 22:38.19 | muramasa | Ace2016, was that all you did? add the options in alsa-base? |
| 22:38.22 | abrotman | !pl |
| 22:38.23 | dpkg | pl is, like, perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 22:38.31 | _ergo_ | and typed by accident chmod -R 777 / |
| 22:38.39 | abrotman | _ergo_: you were root or the user ? |
| 22:38.48 | _ergo_ | now i took a look at the etc dir |
| 22:39.04 | _ergo_ | and i have folder like apache , mysql etc chmodded 777 |
| 22:39.10 | _ergo_ | should that happen ? |
| 22:39.12 | jim | so you were root |
| 22:39.14 | abrotman | i guess he was root |
| 22:39.17 | abrotman | or OSX :) |
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| 22:39.53 | _ergo_ | btw. i cant login as root now |
| 22:39.54 | Ace2016 | muramasa: i added options snd-hda-intel model=laptop to the last line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base my sound card shows up as nVidia MCP65 in lspci nVidia Corporation MCP65 High Definition Audio |
| 22:40.04 | _ergo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.24 | _ergo_ | i really dont remember using su :/ |
| 22:40.28 | muramasa | Ace2016, ah, I see. Going to try some then :-) Catch ya on the flipside |
| 22:40.32 | _ergo_ | before i did that chmod |
| 22:40.34 | Ace2016 | ubuntu? |
| 22:40.48 | Ace2016 | bye |
| 22:40.52 | _ergo_ | im on plain debian stable |
| 22:40.56 | phpusmo | so there's only 2 repositories that I need to have in sources.list? |
| 22:41.11 | Ace2016 | no |
| 22:41.13 | jim | how long have you had it |
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| 22:41.25 | phpusmo | me? |
| 22:41.26 | Ace2016 | do you have multimedia? you NEED multimedia, without multimedia you'll cry |
| 22:41.28 | jim | when did you install this plain debian stable? |
| 22:41.44 | phpusmo | well I got it from a VPS |
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| 22:41.49 | phpusmo | trying to run a web site on it |
| 22:41.54 | _ergo_ | not long ago month maybe , i have it on my VPS |
| 22:42.01 | huhlig | anyone? please? |
| 22:42.06 | _ergo_ | its running inside vmware |
| 22:42.15 | Ace2016 | huhlig: whats wrong? |
| 22:42.20 | phpusmo | could someone tell me all the sources that I need in sources.list? |
| 22:42.30 | huhlig | Ace2016, Installed pljava |
| 22:42.35 | huhlig | postgres doesnt see it |
| 22:42.38 | huhlig | fresh install |
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| 22:43.32 | samo | hi, when i do a ls-lsa, i see some files with the following -rwxr--r--@, what does the @ mean ? thanks |
| 22:43.38 | phpusmo | Ace2016? |
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| 22:44.33 | _ergo_ | so should i install my system again now ? or jut leave it as it is ? |
| 22:44.58 | phpusmo | could someone give me a list of the repositories I should have in Sources.list? |
| 22:45.01 | _ergo_ | i guess i could reconfigure php , and db in 30-40 mins... |
| 22:45.07 | Ace2016 | phpusmo: this is mine, I run debian SID http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55923/ |
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| 22:45.18 | \amethyst | samo: a + there would mean there is an access control list... @ probably stands for some other kind of extended permissions |
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| 22:45.19 | phpusmo | SID? |
| 22:45.25 | Ace2016 | yea unstable |
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| 22:45.47 | phpusmo | so if I was running etch |
| 22:45.48 | craigevil | phpusmo: you don't really need anything more then debian and security |
| 22:45.52 | phpusmo | I should change unstable to etch? |
| 22:45.53 | phpusmo | oh ok |
| 22:45.54 | jim | _ergo_: that's up to you... do you have files you want to save? |
| 22:45.54 | \amethyst | samo: maybe an selinux security level? |
| 22:46.12 | muramasa | Ace2016, what was the command you mentioned where you could see the hardware name? |
| 22:46.17 | _ergo_ | jim: yeah im taking them out now |
| 22:46.22 | samo | amethyst, thanks, extended permission, is that what i should look after on google ? |
| 22:46.25 | Ace2016 | muramasa: lspci |
| 22:46.40 | Ace2016 | and lsusb for sub stuff |
| 22:46.41 | muramasa | Thank you |
| 22:46.51 | craigevil | Ace2016: why do you have a etch repo for virtualbox? its in sid |
| 22:46.51 | \amethyst | samo: I don't nkow |
| 22:46.56 | Ace2016 | yes |
| 22:46.58 | \amethyst | samo: what version of ls do you have? |
| 22:46.58 | Ace2016 | they have one |
| 22:47.14 | huhlig | Ace2016, http://pastebin.ca/903022 |
| 22:47.16 | huhlig | example |
| 22:47.16 | Ace2016 | deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian etch non-free |
| 22:47.24 | phpusmo | craigevil, deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main in my cause it's hosted in the US so it'll be ftp.001.debian? |
| 22:47.28 | \amethyst | samo: because I can't find anything in the current coreutils source that would put a '@' there, only '+' |
| 22:47.53 | samo | actually, i m not on my debian at the moment, this is mac os x |
| 22:47.59 | muramasa | Ah, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) was the one used by mine.. |
| 22:48.02 | Ace2016 | huhlig: don't know much about server setup, probably config related |
| 22:48.09 | \amethyst | samo: then why are you asking here and not in ##mac ? |
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| 22:48.51 | huhlig | Ace2016, not being able to use pljava? |
| 22:48.58 | Ace2016 | sorry can't help, not sure what pljava is |
| 22:49.01 | samo | amethyst, sorry, i thought the commands were similar |
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| 22:49.04 | \amethyst | samo: OS X might use '@' to stand for ACLs |
| 22:49.06 | bigjohnto | ok honestly someone how do i reconfigure local and stuff like that on debian, keybaord is acting really weird, special characters and what not for the / key and - key etc... |
| 22:49.12 | \amethyst | samo: similar, but as you can see not exactly the same :) |
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| 22:49.20 | Gwildor | hello, having problems withan upgrade...well, installing anything... |
| 22:49.22 | Gwildor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.33 | _ergo_ | does anyone know when postgresql-8.3 will get to stable repository ? |
| 22:49.57 | samo | amethyst, thanks for the information, i ll look into that |
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| 22:50.29 | \amethyst | samo: hmm, it seems that OS X uses '+' there if there is an ACL, so I'm not sure |
| 22:50.38 | craigevil | phpusmo: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free and deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free or ftp should be just fine yes |
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| 22:51.30 | \amethyst | samo: that character indicates there is some 'alternate access method' in use---that is, some kind of access control other than just the user/group/other permissions |
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| 22:57.08 | Maulkin | er, hi |
| 22:57.10 | kolAflash | hallo - can anyone tell me how i can change my boot manager from lilo to grub in debian 4.0? |
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| 22:57.31 | muramasa | this problem makes me die abit inside :( |
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| 22:58.09 | Gwildor | i have a conflicts/pre-depends loops issue, any sane way to fix it? |
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| 22:59.12 | Ace2016 | muramasa: are you in stable, testing or unstable? |
| 22:59.12 | muramasa | Ace2016, got any cute suggestion for me?;) |
| 22:59.16 | muramasa | stable |
| 22:59.19 | Ace2016 | ah |
| 22:59.24 | muramasa | installed from a 4.02 netinst disc |
| 22:59.25 | jome | i'm stomped.. is 2.6.23-1-686 safe or is there any other good reason that apt-get update + upgrade/dist-upgrade wont instlal a new kernel? |
| 22:59.41 | Ace2016 | it seems you need a later version of alsa, like the one found in testing for it to work |
| 22:59.56 | muramasa | ah.. |
| 23:00.10 | muramasa | is it possible to upgrade to sid, without making a fresh install? |
| 23:00.29 | streuner | muramasa: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:00.35 | barnum | possible or smart? |
| 23:00.52 | Ace2016 | yes but i wouldn't recommend it, since you seem to be new sid might be a bit too unstable, but it'll force you to learn fast or give up trying |
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| 23:01.01 | muramasa | hehe |
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| 23:01.30 | bolt | Ok... someone give me a clue here. I can open and close my laptop. I can do "xset dpms force off/on" to turn the screen off and on. I am, of course, trying to make this happen automatically. The problem is that if the screen is off while the laptop opens, it hard locks and has to be rebooted. If the screen is on, the script runs fine. WTF? |
| 23:01.41 | Asmooh | Happy Valentine everyone! |
| 23:02.13 | Ace2016 | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdc1 is very slow, 230885888 bytes (231 MB) copied, 474.386 s, 487 kB/s |
| 23:02.36 | Ace2016 | i know its going over usb but common, that speed is just a joke, anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:02.42 | streuner | asmooh: wanna fool us? |
| 23:02.47 | Asmooh | nah |
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| 23:02.50 | Roman123 | Are there any mod_gnutls (backport) packages for etch? This would be great since it will enable name-based virtual hosting (at the same IP and same port) of ssl encrypted websites. |
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| 23:04.27 | petemc | Ace2016: you need to up the byte size to speed up dd, i use bs=8M with internal ide drives, not sure if thats ideal for usb tho |
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| 23:04.56 | petemc | and, of cours,e you need to specify that before you start |
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| 23:05.59 | petemc | Ace2016: and, i now notice you're using urandom, which is probably completely different than from a disk |
| 23:06.13 | Ace2016 | i'll try bs=80M |
| 23:06.15 | Gwildor | i have a conflicts/pre-depends loop issue, any sane way to fix it? |
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| 23:06.37 | Ace2016 | yea urandom to wipe the disk with random date |
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| 23:08.37 | petemc | Ace2016: 80M seems rather a lot |
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| 23:09.10 | Ace2016 | its random data, why does the 8 or 80mb matter? |
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| 23:09.56 | muramasa | Ace2016, ok, seems like sid version would be a bad idea; but would testing be new enough for me to get my sound to work? |
| 23:10.51 | joltcan | Ace2016: perhaps you should apt-get install wipe? |
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| 23:11.44 | Ace2016 | muramasa: yea testing uses 1.0.15-3 whereas sid has 1.0.15-4, so either is better than 1.0.13-5 so testing is fine |
| 23:12.02 | muramasa | Awesome :-) |
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| 23:12.31 | hatter | its is considered the reading and writing to ntfs is fine now with the new driver isn't it ? |
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| 23:13.08 | Ace2016 | petemc: seems that generating random numbers is a very slow process, only 4mb/s ish speeds, which is really really slow |
| 23:13.09 | aMoRPHeouS | Hi, I'm wanting to switch from Fedora to Debian. I've already installed once, kept my /home partition, but my settings for Gnome (maybe other apps too) were messed up. Deleted .gconf* and .gnome directories and then I couldnt' login so I restored my Fedora system from a backup image, but I want to try again. Anyone has some advice on migrating app settings et al? |
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| 23:14.13 | Ace2016 | install in the same home but as a new user, copy over the settings files, just to make sure backup all the config files in /home/* first |
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| 23:14.26 | Ace2016 | well at least the config files |
| 23:14.58 | Ace2016 | not sure about others but a fresh install with old configs feel really unclean, i just can't stand it, i have to reconfigure things from scratch |
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| 23:15.21 | aMoRPHeouS | meh, it takes too long for me to config everything the way I like it |
| 23:15.54 | aMoRPHeouS | I created a new user, but changed the home dir in /etc/passwd to point to my old home dir |
| 23:16.09 | aMoRPHeouS | could that possible have been the problem? |
| 23:16.19 | jim | !marillat |
| 23:16.19 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 23:17.25 | Ace2016 | why not just copy the config files to the new user? |
| 23:17.42 | aMoRPHeouS | yeah, I guess I'll do that this time |
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| 23:18.40 | dpkg | Since Wed Feb 13 12:05:03 2008, there have been 1 modification, 93 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 27 commands. I have been awake for 11h 13m 37s this session, and currently reference 37922 factoids. I'm using about 15772 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 52.06/3.11 child 0.01/0.01 |
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| 23:19.03 | muramasa | hm, is this the testing release? Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 "Etch" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080103-00:44 |
| 23:19.05 | aMoRPHeouS | I think I'll go install it. Thanks for the advice. |
| 23:19.12 | Schiz0 | muramasa: No, etch is stable. |
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| 23:19.18 | joltcan | aMoRPHeouS: Make sure the files are owned by your new user though |
| 23:19.19 | Schiz0 | Lenny is the testing release. |
| 23:19.26 | k-man | any idea how I might get this version for vacation for debian http://osr600doc.sco.com/en/man/html.C/vacation.C.html |
| 23:19.31 | muramasa | ah |
| 23:19.34 | muramasa | thanks Schiz0 |
| 23:19.34 | aMoRPHeouS | joltcan, yeah, I will :) |
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| 23:19.57 | damion | does anyone here have choppy youtube video? |
| 23:20.00 | aMoRPHeouS | back in a jiffy |
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| 23:20.22 | bolt | With ACPI, my laptop hard-locks if I open the lid with the LCD off. It does this before even getting to the /etc/acpi/lid.sh script (i put a beep in there). If I turn on the LCD manually through SSH, I can open the laptop, hear the beep and continue working. What's up with that? |
| 23:20.31 | Ace2016 | damion: why not just download a youtube video? |
| 23:21.27 | damion | what do you mean Ace2016 ? |
| 23:22.05 | Ace2016 | you asked if anyone has a choppy youtube video, i wanted to know why you cannot just download one from youtube |
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| 23:24.13 | emma | Hello debian. |
| 23:24.18 | damion | hi emma |
| 23:24.19 | theatro | !status |
| 23:24.19 | dpkg | Since Wed Feb 13 12:05:03 2008, there have been 1 modification, 93 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 27 commands. I have been awake for 11h 19m 16s this session, and currently reference 37922 factoids. I'm using about 15772 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 52.43/3.13 child 0.01/0.01 |
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| 23:24.34 | emma | Is semi-social conversation allowed in here? |
| 23:24.44 | eth01 | emma, nope. |
| 23:24.48 | eth01 | !topic |
| 23:24.55 | emma | Oh.. |
| 23:25.00 | damion | Ace2016, im not sure what you mean. The whole point of youtube is to stream video |
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| 23:25.13 | emma | We should make a room for linux people to just chat with each other. |
| 23:25.13 | damion | and im looking for a fix not a workaround |
| 23:25.21 | RichiH | !status |
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| 23:25.27 | damion | emma, there is a linux room |
| 23:25.29 | damion | #linux |
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| 23:25.32 | Ace2016 | so you have a problem with videos not streaming smoothly? slow connection? |
| 23:25.35 | eth01 | ##linux * |
| 23:25.43 | theatro | thx richih :) |
| 23:26.03 | damion | the video is choppy, like a flipbook |
| 23:26.11 | damion | have have MORE than enough bandwidth |
| 23:26.35 | damion | and audio skips too |
| 23:26.53 | damion | i installed the flash plugin from the adobe site |
| 23:26.54 | Ace2016 | fast hardware with proprietary drivers installed? |
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| 23:27.35 | damion | my gpu is a geforce2 mx400. i guess its using whatever driver is included with debian 4.0r2 stable |
| 23:27.55 | damion | ive tried to install the recent driver from nvidia but it said i needed kernel sources or something |
| 23:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: and there is #debian-offtopic which might or might not be what you want |
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| 23:30.16 | lightning | Q. I currently run kde 3.5 on etch. I'm wanting to upgrade to kde 4 and saw on the site that I can add the experimental to my packages. My question is if I have to do a full upgrade to experimental for kde 4 |
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| 23:30.57 | craigevil | !dpkg kde4 |
| 23:31.00 | damion | i think an athlon xp1600 w/ gf2mx400 and 28mbps is fast enough for youtube... |
| 23:31.16 | Ace2016 | oh i want that internet connection |
| 23:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | just |
| 23:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kde4 |
| 23:31.22 | dpkg | well, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 23:31.27 | Ace2016 | plus good ping |
| 23:31.33 | damion | haha gamer ace? |
| 23:31.54 | Ace2016 | yup ut2004, and ut3 if it ever comes out in linux |
| 23:31.58 | lightning | thanks, didnt know another chan existed |
| 23:32.05 | damion | ive heard something about the flash plugin and gnash conflicting |
| 23:32.12 | damion | i dont think i have gnash installed though |
| 23:32.25 | kubitz | I wanted to ask about Virtualisation. Is there any approved virtualising software for Debian? I was thinking especially of VirtualBox which is Open Source - though I dunno if it's free software thru and thru cos I dunno what language it's written in? I probably should have kept the question shorter. |
| 23:32.25 | damion | at least i cant find it but maybe im not looking in the right spot |
| 23:32.34 | Ace2016 | tried in different browsers? say firefox, konqueror and opera |
| 23:32.37 | damion | anyway, Ace2016, is your youtube smooth? |
| 23:32.43 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 23:32.50 | damion | ive only tried iceweasel and ephihany |
| 23:33.03 | Xenguy | kubitz: virtualbox is packaged for debian, and works quite well |
| 23:33.23 | kubitz | I must have missed that I'll look again |
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| 23:33.53 | damion | Ace2016, what browser and plugin are you using? |
| 23:33.57 | craigevil | kubitz: aptitude install virtualbox-ose |
| 23:34.09 | Ace2016 | kubitz: install from virtualbox repos, the non ose edition, it has proprietary bits which make it faster |
| 23:34.13 | muramasa | Ace2016, playing through Wine or pure Linux release? |
| 23:34.30 | kubitz | aH all one word |
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| 23:35.08 | Ace2016 | no all ut games run native in linux apart from ut3 which has yet to be supported, i'm not buying it yet, just waiting for the linux version and for the price to drop |
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| 23:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy: do I see that right - virtualbox would be kind of like a GPL version of vmware? |
| 23:35.30 | kubitz | Ace2016 actually I wanted one box that is completely open if possible - to see how easy it is to manage that way |
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| 23:35.59 | Ace2016 | hm... if its completely open why do you need virtualisation for? xp perhaps? |
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| 23:36.36 | craigevil | vbox is great for testing distros and updates in sid |
| 23:36.42 | emma | I seem to have a hard time getting along on IRC. |
| 23:36.46 | kubitz | Ace2016 I need to test webpages on IE5 and 6 is that cheating? :) |
| 23:37.10 | kubitz | So I need to run windows 2000 |
| 23:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: just shut up ;) |
| 23:37.24 | Ace2016 | well the proprietary parts are for xp not for debian, so technically linux will still be open i guess |
| 23:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: (just kidding) |
| 23:37.40 | Obligatory | What BTS pseudo package would cover a wish list bug for synchronized "idempotent" updates? That is, I get a bug closing message for 'foo' v1.2, but my apt server only has v1.1. |
| 23:37.54 | emma | :) It's okay I like it when someone takes charge lol |
| 23:38.44 | kubitz | Ace2016 the hardest thing so far is getting my printer to work actually - it worked fine with Fedora and Ubuntu but this is tricky - it should work with HP Lips but isn't playing ball for some reason :( |
| 23:38.56 | k-man | if i want to download the full debian install iso, do I need all 4 dvds? or can I install just using 1 of them? |
| 23:39.06 | k-man | i mean... i just want the most comon packages |
| 23:39.15 | Obligatory | k-man, no just the first ISO should be fine. |
| 23:39.15 | damion | Ace2016, what gpu do you have and what driver are you using? |
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| 23:39.17 | Schiz0 | k-man: I'd recommend using the NetInstaller....from there you can then install the packages you need |
| 23:39.35 | huhlig | is ther a problems with pljava |
| 23:39.37 | huhlig | psql:/usr/share/postgresql-8.1-pljava/install.sql:6: ERROR: could not load library "/usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/lib/pljava.so": /usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/lib/pljava.so: undefined symbol: SetUserId |
| 23:39.49 | k-man | Schiz0, this is for installing on a computer that has limited net access (read limited download quoata) |
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| 23:40.00 | Schiz0 | k-man: Ah, ok. Ignore me then |
| 23:40.45 | Ace2016 | nvidia mobile something with nvidia driver, latest one |
| 23:40.48 | kubitz | NetInstaller is areally great idea - all distros should do that - I know most do in some way |
| 23:40.54 | Obligatory | k-man, the first ISO has the most common packages. |
| 23:41.01 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:41.04 | damion | its it the driver provided by debian or from the nvidia site? |
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| 23:42.28 | muramasa | Time to do a 'testing' installation. Thank you everyone for your kind assistance to a newbie like me :-) I will see you in an hour or so! |
| 23:42.43 | kubitz | What are you supposed to do when your printer is supposed to be suppported by HPLips but after installing what looks like the right driver it doesn't work - what is the next step in trouble shooting? |
| 23:42.57 | huhlig | oh lovely |
| 23:43.05 | craigevil | kubitz how did you install the printer? using CUPS? |
| 23:43.05 | damion | omg its so nice out... why am i here messing with this stupid machine lol |
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| 23:43.52 | kubitz | craigevil no I used the HPlips tools |
| 23:43.59 | kubitz | Is Cups better with Debian |
| 23:44.11 | Obligatory | kubitz, "doesn't work" as in no printing, or weird printing? |
| 23:44.23 | kubitz | No printing |
| 23:44.28 | craigevil | try using http://localhost:631 in your browser |
| 23:44.53 | Obligatory | I don't love CUPS. |
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| 23:45.24 | kubitz | craigevil I will make anote of that - I've moved the printer to hang wallapaper but I will have a look at that tomorrow |
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| 23:45.32 | kubitz | What is it meant to show? |
| 23:45.46 | Azar | wtf I need tax forms instructions and all are in pdf dammit! |
| 23:45.47 | Obligatory | kuber, it's a web interface for CUPS. Ugh. |
| 23:45.51 | Azar | and I dont have pdf |
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| 23:46.10 | kubitz | Ah right I will get back to it |
| 23:46.15 | Obligatory | Azar, as root: apt-get install xpdf |
| 23:46.40 | Azar | Obligatory: im gonna try it again.. I remember I installed |
| 23:46.46 | kubitz | I wanted to have alook at which HP driver my other (Fedora) system installed |
| 23:47.08 | kubitz | It should be the same one but i'll get back to that tomorrow |
| 23:47.15 | k-man | which version is debian 40r2? |
| 23:47.19 | kubitz | I obviously need to read more |
| 23:47.24 | damion | ill be back |
| 23:47.25 | jome | do you fine gentlemen know why apt-get update + upgrade/dist-upgrade won't install a new kernel? i'm running 2.6.23-1-686 right now and it's vulnerable from what i can understand |
| 23:47.41 | kubitz | It just worked with Fedora and Ubuntu - I guess I was lucky |
| 23:47.52 | craigevil | does xpdf have a browser plugin? if your using firefox/iceweasel the PDF Downlaod extension is nice |
| 23:47.57 | k-man | jome, are you assuming no women would know? |
| 23:47.58 | Obligatory | jome, what version, stable, testing, unstable? |
| 23:48.14 | jome | k-man: i'm sorry, i assumed it was just men in here |
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| 23:48.23 | Azar | Obligatory: as usual: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 23:48.23 | stegbth | good evening |
| 23:48.28 | abrotman | jome: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:48.29 | jome | Obligatory: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 23:48.33 | jome | Obligatory: if that answers it |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | jome: that's not an official etch kernel |
| 23:48.43 | Obligatory | Azar, from command line type 'xpdf' |
| 23:48.47 | jome | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 23:48.53 | stegbth | does there exist a way to find all files in directory (with find) which not end with .zip? |
| 23:49.00 | abrotman | jome: is it a server or workstatoin ? |
| 23:49.09 | jome | abrotman: server |
| 23:49.15 | xlotlu | why would dns lookups fail all of a sudden in all kde apps? |
| 23:49.17 | abrotman | jome: external ? |
| 23:49.22 | jome | abrotman: yes |
| 23:49.23 | kubitz | Seeya later |
| 23:49.24 | Obligatory | jome, I think that's stable... (Toy Story -- FEH.) |
| 23:49.30 | Schiz0 | stegbth: find /path/to/dir -type f -not -name "*.zip" -ls <- try now |
| 23:49.35 | Schiz0 | I may be wrong though, heh |
| 23:49.40 | jome | Obligatory: heh, never saw toy story |
| 23:49.45 | Azar | Obligatory: Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct |
| 23:49.53 | jome | abrotman: that didn't work well (uninstalled libgssapi2 |
| 23:49.55 | abrotman | jome: etch-backports has a 2.6.22-3 which is fixed IIRC .. but it may or may not work on your server .. up to you to try |
| 23:50.06 | jome | abrotman: oh, right, that explains it |
| 23:50.13 | jome | abrotman: i'm running a kernel that's too new.. |
| 23:50.18 | jome | (i guess?) |
| 23:50.21 | Obligatory | stegbth, without 'find' you could do: ls | rgrep -v '\.zip$' |
| 23:50.36 | abrotman | jome: so you can try the one at etch-backports .. |
| 23:50.51 | dkr | find . \! -name "*.zip" |
| 23:50.52 | abrotman | jome: it seems to be a fixed one .. but it may/may not work on your hardware |
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| 23:51.02 | dkr | stegbth: ^^^ |
| 23:51.04 | Obligatory | jome, Toy Story's where they got the cutesy names like "Etch", at the time it was cutting edge animation... |
| 23:51.04 | jome | abrotman: i think an older kenel won't work so i guess i'll have to wait for a new version from debian |
| 23:51.18 | jome | Obligatory: aah :) |
| 23:51.19 | stegbth | Schiz0: with -not i get all files without .zip |
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| 23:51.23 | abrotman | jome: do you know why it won't work ? |
| 23:51.34 | Obligatory | Azar, so does 'xpdf' start? Or does it die with that error? |
| 23:51.42 | I440r | why does the live cd have a install installgui etc etc when the only on you can actually pick is "live" |
| 23:51.43 | Schiz0 | stegbth: Isn't that what you want? Everything that doesn't end in .zip |
| 23:51.43 | jome | abrotman: i think the hardware is too new, i don't know exactly but i think it was sata drivers that troubled me from the start |
| 23:51.47 | dkr | stegbth: or find . -not -name "*.zip" |
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| 23:52.04 | stegbth | Obligatory: this doesn't help cause the files should get compressed separatly afterwards |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | jome: i'd at least try it .. as long as you have physical access if it goes bad ? |
| 23:52.18 | stegbth | Schiz0: yes, thanx this was the tip |
| 23:52.26 | Azar | Obligatory: I try to open "with" /usr/bin/xpdf(default) but nothing opens |
| 23:52.35 | Obligatory | stegbth, after what? |
| 23:52.42 | jome | abrotman: i have a drac card, but i'm not sure i wanna go down that road.. i'm almost certain it won't work since it didn't work with the default install cd from debian |
| 23:53.03 | jome | abrotman: i'll just have to hope the good folks at debian will decide to release a new kernel soon :) |
| 23:53.03 | abrotman | jome: the etch installer uses 2.6.18 .. there is a 2.6.22 at backports.org |
| 23:53.07 | stegbth | Obligatory: after find |
| 23:53.11 | huhlig | is there a way to see if your system will break under glibc 2.7 short of breaking it? |
| 23:53.20 | abrotman | just try it |
| 23:53.30 | I440r | was already going for a cd |
| 23:53.40 | jome | abrotman: well, i'm not sure how i'd fix it if it breaks :) |
| 23:54.03 | I440r | will i be able to install ubunto to an external USB hard drive? |
| 23:54.04 | abrotman | jome: you'd have the kernel you're running now |
| 23:54.05 | Obligatory | Azar, just 'xpdf' should be fine. I dunno, try another reader: apt-get install gv |
| 23:54.09 | I440r | erm miss chan |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | I440r: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:54.27 | jome | abrotman: ok thanks, i might try that tomorrow ;-) |
| 23:54.47 | abrotman | jome: admittedly .. it's up to you .. it's your box :) |
| 23:54.59 | Obligatory | stegbth, so your trying to compress all the file in a dir that aren't compressed? |
| 23:55.08 | Roman123 | Is the usage of a network mask in "AllowUsers abc@192.168.1.0/24" of sshd_config supposed work? |
| 23:55.27 | I440r | abrotman, i said. mischan |
| 23:55.33 | abrotman | I440r: i saw that |
| 23:55.40 | jome | abrotman: yeah.. i don't like running a vulnerable kernel, but at least i don't have any users |
| 23:56.08 | abrotman | stegbth: find . | grep -v zip ? |
| 23:56.40 | abrotman | jome: if you look at the debian bug .. there is a runtime "fix" .. but each reboot requires you to do it again |
| 23:56.48 | hatter | why do some ssh connections to a sarge box say access denied when an incorrect password is an entered and some disconnect the seesion ? |
| 23:56.57 | stegbth | abrotman Obligatory : my command looks now: find . -maxdepth 1 -size +500c -type f -not -name '*.zip' -exec zip -m {}.zip {} \; |
| 23:57.01 | stegbth | thanx |
| 23:57.13 | Supaplex | imo the runtime fix is dubious |
| 23:57.14 | abrotman | i think mine was easier :) |
| 23:57.18 | jome | abrotman: not sure if there's a new fix, but a few of those patches didn't appear to be safe |
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| 23:57.27 | abrotman | jome: up to you |
| 23:57.38 | jome | abrotman: yepp, thanks for your help, much appreciated |
| 23:57.53 | abrotman | jome: or you could compile your own! |
| 23:58.11 | jome | abrotman: was a long time since i did that.. i switched to debian to not have to go through the trouble :( |
| 23:58.17 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:59.18 | jome | abrotman: i'm a long-time slackware user ;) |
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| 23:59.30 | huhlig | lets move to lenny and see if it dies |
| 23:59.34 | abrotman | jome: i'm sorry |
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| 23:59.54 | jome | abrotman: 'tis okey, i didn't mind old software since it was stable and i like fiddling around some |
