| 00:00.14 | abrotman | jome: if it makes you feel better .. you could backport the kernel from sid ... |
| 00:00.36 | Obligatory | stegbth, (had to wash some lettuce), I'm not a 'find' expert, but anyway, what is 'find' not doing that you want it to do? |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | he solved it |
| 00:00.59 | jome | abrotman: hm, that's not a shabby idea.. |
| 00:01.00 | Obligatory | he? |
| 00:01.16 | k-man | hehe, i just checked the procmail page and there is a "newsflash, new version 3.22" however the changelog says that 3.22 was released in 2001! |
| 00:01.22 | k-man | how cool is that? |
| 00:01.32 | k-man | pretty stable bit of software |
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| 00:02.00 | Obligatory | very stable... |
| 00:02.36 | gouki | guys, there is an application starting at boot time which isn't listed nowhere. How do I make it stop? |
| 00:03.18 | Xenguy | gouki: what application? |
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| 00:03.37 | Obligatory | abrotman, you meant stegbth solved it, right? |
| 00:03.37 | Obligatory | gouki, it's listed somewhere. |
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| 00:03.39 | nevyn | gouki: if it's not listed anywhere it's not being started by anything.. it's clearly a figment of your imagination and requires no corrective work |
| 00:03.46 | abrotman | jome: it does risk your stability i suppose .. |
| 00:03.47 | abrotman | gouki: what is it? |
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| 00:04.07 | gouki | nevyn: Great support. Thanks. |
| 00:04.12 | gouki | Xenguy: synergys |
| 00:04.16 | nevyn | gouki: you're welcome. |
| 00:04.18 | bush | hm, cant get rid of my hanging firefox process with kill -9 |
| 00:04.19 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah AFAIK virtualbox is GPL, but there seems to be a couple of variations on the licensing depending on whether one is using the 'opensource' version, or the precompiled binary? I don't fully understand what they are doing honestly |
| 00:04.27 | stegbth | Obligatory: yes thanx i solved it already |
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| 00:04.38 | abrotman | gouki: you install synergy2 ? |
| 00:04.42 | jome | abrotman: i guess so :) well, thanks, i gotta hit bed now, good night |
| 00:04.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:04.55 | gouki | abrotman: Yes. But I never configured it to run at boot time. |
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| 00:04.58 | Obligatory | stegbth, oh good. I wasn't sure if that 'find' code was failing or what. |
| 00:05.06 | abrotman | gouki: uh .. and? |
| 00:05.17 | gouki | abrotman: I don't want him to run at boot time |
| 00:05.23 | Obligatory | gouki, what is "it". |
| 00:05.31 | abrotman | Obligatory: he answered already .. read |
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| 00:05.35 | gouki | Obligatory: Like I said, synergys |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | gouki: cd /etc/init.d/ ; grep synergy * .. does it show up ? |
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| 00:05.56 | gouki | abrotman: Not listed there :S |
| 00:05.56 | Xenguy | gouki: looks like it is the 'synergy' package |
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| 00:06.11 | abrotman | gouki: paste the output |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | gouki: include the "ps" output showing it running |
| 00:07.15 | Xenguy | gouki: I suppose one option is to just 'apt-get remove synergy' |
| 00:07.37 | gouki | abrotman: I can post the output of grep synergy on /init.d/ but it's no longer running, because I killed it. |
| 00:07.40 | abrotman | one would assume he wants it installed |
| 00:07.50 | abrotman | gouki: reboot the system? make it run again ? |
| 00:07.52 | gouki | abrotman: I'll just check something out. BRB |
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| 00:07.59 | gouki | abrotman: yeah, that's what I'm going to do |
| 00:08.01 | k-man | do people not use procmail much any more? |
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| 00:08.11 | abrotman | k-man: sure .. |
| 00:08.12 | k-man | it seems like a lot of the procmail info on the web out there is a bit stale |
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| 00:08.18 | abrotman | k-man: popcon.debian.org |
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| 00:09.22 | k-man | abrotman, interesting, but it may not really indicate how many people use it |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | k-man: that's also only debian users ... |
| 00:09.44 | k-man | yeah |
| 00:09.46 | k-man | true |
| 00:09.48 | startxwhite | i am running debian etch and installed the madwifi driver. i can associate to the ap, get an ip address but when i try to surf the connection drops. dmesg output: "wifi0:rx FIFO overrun;resetting. wifi0:ath_reset: unable to reset hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)" what can a newbie do about this? ? |
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| 00:13.35 | simonrvn | no it isn't true, it's very true |
| 00:13.49 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 00:15.58 | simonrvn | would you believe i didn't have countrycodes installed? does it matter to you? (no) |
| 00:17.28 | \amethyst | Basic |
| 00:17.29 | \amethyst | doh |
| 00:17.40 | simonrvn | /me grins |
| 00:17.55 | simonrvn | sigh, that stupid invisible again... |
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| 00:18.57 | simonrvn | abrotman: that glass of milk will a) be great with this bagel + choco/hazelnut spread b) give me terrible gas |
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| 00:19.37 | abrotman | simonrvn: i'm a) 600 miles away b) hungry for your bagel |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | hehe .. nice |
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| 00:21.08 | simonrvn | so, like, are we the entertainment for the evening, or what? |
| 00:22.00 | simonrvn | holycow! |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's quite possible .. i hope they pay us in beer! |
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| 00:22.47 | simonrvn | paid in food would be nice too |
| 00:22.56 | simonrvn | i can't stand the smell of beer anymore |
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| 00:23.34 | simonrvn | :/. yes, i'm aware that would be seen as very very sad by some |
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| 00:24.18 | k-man | how can i list the files in package that is not installed yet? is that possible? |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | k-man: apt-file |
| 00:24.30 | simonrvn | must be dinner time in the eastern u.s. ... |
| 00:24.31 | k-man | thanks |
| 00:24.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: crab cakes for me! |
| 00:25.00 | simonrvn | k-man: first, you must run the update option |
| 00:25.06 | simonrvn | after it's installed |
| 00:25.16 | simonrvn | abrotman: the crabcake primary right? :P |
| 00:25.25 | k-man | simonrvn, doing that now thanks :) |
| 00:25.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: eh .. no |
| 00:25.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:26.00 | simonrvn | good for you. |
| 00:26.07 | kuber | man i had to do a real trifecta of shitiness today: wrote a script in perl to run on windows server to monitor runaway sendmail processes :x |
| 00:26.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:26.42 | simonrvn | what, python would be better IYO? |
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| 00:27.22 | simonrvn | ....and if you're running cygwin, why don't you just wipe windoze and install a real os? ;) |
| 00:27.40 | abrotman | why is windows running sendmail ? |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | and why sendmail .. at all |
| 00:27.56 | simonrvn | anyway, enough blabbermouthing i gotta restart x |
| 00:28.02 | simonrvn | indeed^2 |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | boohiss! |
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| 00:28.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: how will we entertain the masses? |
| 00:28.18 | kuber | abrotman: it's not my machine to manage |
| 00:28.26 | kuber | some weird legacy shit we have running here. |
| 00:28.33 | abrotman | windows+sendmail is legacy? |
| 00:28.44 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:28.46 | kuber | no, I mean the windows server machine is running some legacy crap |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | and sendmail ? |
| 00:28.56 | kuber | the sendmail is just peripheral. why they chose that I'm not entirely sure. |
| 00:29.06 | abrotman | kuber: clearly they are meth addicts |
| 00:29.14 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 00:29.14 | kuber | v likely |
| 00:29.46 | simonrvn | damn crap... |
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| 00:29.54 | simonrvn | i think some box just locked up |
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| 00:30.10 | abrotman | "I hear fewer fans" :) |
| 00:30.23 | abrotman | pear: you think quantity==quality ? |
| 00:30.28 | pear | haha |
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| 00:30.33 | pear | nah it sucks |
| 00:30.38 | simonrvn | Total of 781 nicks (2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 779 normal) FYI |
| 00:30.52 | simonrvn | shit.. |
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| 00:31.19 | simonrvn | imma going to have to go over there and reboot the thing... |
| 00:31.26 | simonrvn | ...tomorrow |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | the other side of the room ? |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:31.47 | simonrvn | no, at a uni |
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| 00:32.33 | simonrvn | was in the middle of building a kernel... tail end, about to finish building the debs... hence my sad feeling |
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| 00:32.55 | abrotman | simonrvn: maybe it's just sleeping? . damn lazy canadians |
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| 00:35.03 | L3W1S | sorry guys |
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| 00:37.30 | simonrvn | abrotman: no, it's screwed |
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| 00:38.01 | simonrvn | i can't even input anything |
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| 00:38.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: see .. that's what you get for messing with kernels! |
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| 00:39.49 | simonrvn | right ;p |
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| 00:40.43 | auto359 | 'scuse my dumbness, with Etch if you install php5 via aptitude, isn't it supposed to have a bin somewhere? |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | you want php5-cgi |
| 00:40.59 | auto359 | i do? |
| 00:41.08 | auto359 | gah |
| 00:41.42 | simonrvn | yes you do |
| 00:42.07 | auto359 | k, why doesn't php5 on debian pick it up? |
| 00:42.10 | simonrvn | erm, that's a silly /quit msg |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | auto359: most people use php as an apache module |
| 00:43.39 | auto359 | k |
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| 00:44.05 | auto359 | i am installing (yting t anyway) joomla on apache2/php5/mysquirrel |
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| 00:44.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | wtf @ quit |
| 00:44.17 | \amethyst | err, isn't it in php5-cli ? |
| 00:44.18 | auto359 | trying to* |
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| 00:46.50 | muramasa | Yay, back from a fresh testing install :-) |
| 00:47.11 | damion | im running kernel 2.6.16-6-486 on an athlon cpu. should i be using i686 instead? |
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| 00:47.37 | auto359 | finally, php5-cli gave me something, php -v now works |
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| 00:47.54 | \amethyst | damion: or -k7 |
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| 00:48.33 | auto359 | abrotman: so if all i am doing with php is using it for apache/joomla, is it better to use php as a plugin or go the native php package? |
| 00:48.35 | damion | its an amd athlon, not a k7 |
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| 00:49.05 | abrotman | no idea what joomla is .. but maybe? :) |
| 00:49.19 | \amethyst | damion: K7 == Athlon (and Athlon XP, Duron, etc) |
| 00:49.25 | damion | ohhh |
| 00:49.28 | damion | i didnt know that |
| 00:49.34 | \amethyst | damion: and it's really 'K7 and up' |
| 00:49.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | auto359, not sure i grock your question |
| 00:49.54 | damion | so should i use the k7 kernel instead? |
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| 00:49.59 | timetrap_ | exit |
| 00:50.00 | \amethyst | damion: yeah |
| 00:50.01 | damion | for better performance? |
| 00:50.13 | simmerz | auto359: you're best off using libapache2-mod-php5 for php hosted websites. you don't really want to be using php cgi through apache |
| 00:50.21 | RyanRyan52 | I asked the bot about kde4 and it said something about the lenny release schedule...Is there one? |
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| 00:50.24 | RyanRyan52 | !kde4 |
| 00:50.25 | dpkg | methinks kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 00:50.29 | damion | my youtube videos are choppy and i noticed it uses about 90% of my cpu |
| 00:50.30 | \amethyst | damion: and other things (the -k7 and -686 kernel, unlike -486, support for example SMP and PAE) |
| 00:50.30 | simmerz | abrotman: joomla = one of many content management systems |
| 00:50.45 | damion | ok, is there a tutorial somwhere on how to change the kernel? |
| 00:50.56 | \amethyst | damion: I don't think it would affect that too much, unfortunately |
| 00:51.11 | damion | well, i still want to use the most correct kernel |
| 00:51.42 | peppe | damion: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 00:51.47 | auto359 | simmerz: installed libapache-mod-php5 and php doesn't seem to work |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | simmerz: yay or something :) |
| 00:52.13 | abrotman | auto359: i bet it does :) |
| 00:52.32 | damion | peppe, will i need to reboot afterward? |
| 00:52.46 | simmerz | auto359: have you tried a simple phpinfo() script? |
| 00:52.48 | peppe | damion: if you want to use the new kernel, eys |
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| 00:52.50 | auto359 | abrotman: ok, yes |
| 00:53.00 | auto359 | and allit wants to do is download it as a file |
| 00:53.34 | damion | cool, im going to try this then. ill be back. thanks guys |
| 00:53.40 | auto359 | placed a simple test.php script in the apache-default dir/, no go |
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| 00:54.22 | abrotman | auto359: clear browser cache .. restart browser |
| 00:55.12 | a133x | hello people, does anyone know how could I proceed to make a dir that belongs to a user, wich can be accesed from the web browser, for example http://ip/~user |
| 00:55.22 | peppe | auto359: did you restart apache after installing the mod and/or did you touch the apache conf? did your clear the browser cache? |
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| 00:56.02 | asfadf | hi |
| 00:56.10 | dkr | !php wants me to download still |
| 00:56.10 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
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| 00:56.17 | dkr | heh, long factoid key |
| 00:56.25 | asfadf | i want to install linux and windows xp on same hdd. which operating system will be good on first partition? |
| 00:56.26 | phpusmo | how do I get dns working on my server? |
| 00:56.34 | asfadf | is there a difference ? |
| 00:56.37 | auto359 | peppe: yes |
| 00:56.42 | barnum | al33x public_html typically have to make sure its enabled in the apache config though |
| 00:56.45 | auto359 | dkr: thanks, will follow that again |
| 00:56.50 | peppe | a133x: mod_userdir of apache, for instance |
| 00:57.10 | phpusmo | do I need some kind of control panel? |
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| 00:57.13 | a133x | ok thanks guys, so I should enable the modules |
| 00:57.20 | cloakable | asfadf: Windows should be first, as you'll be installing that before linux |
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| 00:58.04 | Gun_Smoke | I have to assume it has been asked before... But wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to minimize Icedove to the panel?? |
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| 00:58.11 | keram | hey |
| 00:58.15 | shamrock | I just installed compiz on debian testing. My screen 1 (tv) has no window decorations however (no title bar, frame etc). How can I rectify this? My main lcd screen (screen0 ) is fine. |
| 00:58.16 | keram | what is the process 'click' |
| 00:58.17 | peppe | asfadf: that's the same, just install windows first |
| 00:58.18 | hatter | how do i discover where i have X ports attached i.e :1 :2 etc |
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| 00:58.25 | keram | for some reason it is using 100% cpu |
| 00:58.32 | phpusmo | anyone? |
| 00:58.32 | hatter | if thats even the correct terminologu |
| 00:58.47 | keram | hatter, echo $DISPLAY |
| 00:58.55 | hatter | keram, thx |
| 00:58.58 | peppe | phpusmo: what does that mean, "get dns working"? |
| 00:59.16 | keram | hatter, to set the display just do something like set DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 00:59.21 | phpusmo | well I need dns so my site can work. |
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| 00:59.33 | Picachoo | where can i download most popular linux games for free? |
| 00:59.42 | peppe | phpusmo: things like /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 00:59.47 | phpusmo | ? |
| 00:59.53 | nevyn | Picachoo: happy penguin? |
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| 01:00.04 | phpusmo | well I dunno what I'm doing. I just bought a server and installed apache and php |
| 01:00.20 | nevyn | Picachoo: or just use the package system |
| 01:00.29 | phpusmo | I also bought a domain..and I want to host the site on my server |
| 01:00.45 | phpusmo | peppe, so what do I need to do to get it work? |
| 01:00.45 | peppe | Picachoo: "for free" as in beer or what? many free-as-speech games are already in debian, just apt-get install them |
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| 01:02.12 | hatter | keram, echo $DISPLAY gives me a blank line then bash again |
| 01:02.22 | Picachoo | ok |
| 01:02.34 | peppe | phpusmo: what do you mean by "bought a domain"? |
| 01:02.44 | phpusmo | I bought a domain name.. |
| 01:02.59 | phpusmo | what are you confused about? |
| 01:03.15 | keram | hatter, that means no display is set |
| 01:03.19 | peppe | about who is authoritative about that domain |
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| 01:03.47 | hatter | keram, ok. i have a vnserver attached to :2 , should echo $DISPLAY be showing this ? |
| 01:03.54 | phpusmo | ? I'm sorry I don't understand |
| 01:04.17 | keram | hatter, only if you are logged into the vncserver, and are issuing the command from that vnc session |
| 01:04.42 | hatter | keram, ah, so is there a command for root to show any displays available ? |
| 01:04.56 | keram | hatter, i am not sure how to do that |
| 01:05.02 | peppe | hatter: no, $DISPLAY holds the display name of the current session --- you can try things like "w" or "who"? is that you're looking for? |
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| 01:06.21 | hatter | peppe, hmmm, i run a script to run vncserver on boot and attach it to :2, i was wondering after this is done if i can get a list of what is attached |
| 01:07.07 | peppe | phpusmo: that's simple, there must exists someone that says "the domain XXX.tld is managed by me" (me == a dns server) |
| 01:07.09 | hatter | peppe, which is run as admin |
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| 01:08.17 | hatter | phpusmo, steps : buy domain name, use isps domain name manager to point to a nameserver where the domain name resides, have name serve point to ip address of web server, (your static ip address) |
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| 01:08.40 | auto359 | simmerz: with joomla, it says to run apache2, mysql and php, i should only install the libapache-mod-php5 and php-mysql packages? none of the php-common, php-cgi? |
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| 01:09.28 | peppe | auto359: libapache _2_ mod php5 |
| 01:09.43 | LeGreffi3R | auto359> you should have a package named "php" or "php5" |
| 01:09.58 | LeGreffi3R | that will depend on necessary php package |
| 01:10.05 | LeGreffi3R | +s |
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| 01:10.27 | auto359 | peppe: yes, libapache2 |
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| 01:11.17 | peppe | auto359: and actually libapache2-mod-php5 depends on php5-common. if you want more php5 modules you can install (php5-mysql, php5-gd, php5-curl...) |
| 01:11.30 | peppe | *install them |
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| 01:12.26 | abrotman | auto359:still not working ? |
| 01:12.36 | auto359 | the problem was after libapache2, php5-mysql, php5-gd, it was acting as if ther was *no* php installed, i've pulled it all and will redo, carefully |
| 01:12.41 | auto359 | abrotman: correct |
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| 01:13.02 | abrotman | auto359: what have you installed so far ? |
| 01:13.21 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I want to open a php file my iceweasel wants to download it? |
| 01:13.29 | auto359 | apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql |
| 01:13.46 | simmerz | and you've restarted apache? |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | auto359: and what doesn't work ? |
| 01:14.02 | auto359 | gonzaloaf: same issue i am having, your system or apache is not *seeing* php as is should |
| 01:14.06 | auto359 | simmerz: yes |
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| 01:14.08 | auto359 | abrotman: no |
| 01:14.13 | auto359 | i'm redoing it |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | auto359: WHAT doesn't work ? |
| 01:14.52 | auto359 | the php bit, phpinfo() doesn't work |
| 01:15.01 | auto359 | apache2 is fine |
| 01:15.03 | simmerz | interesting, I've never had a problem getting apache2+php+mysql to work without any additional configuration under etch |
| 01:15.23 | peppe | auto359: and what happens when you open the script with phpinfo() inside? |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | auto359: and have you cleared your browser cache and restarted the browser ? |
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| 01:15.41 | simmerz | auto359: have you tried a2enmod php5 (as root) and then restarted apache? |
| 01:15.46 | dutchfish | auto359, did you install php5? |
| 01:15.46 | auto359 | simmerz: gr8 |
| 01:15.51 | gonzaloaf | auto359, but my web is located in my hosting... I cant see well my web with epyfhany |
| 01:15.55 | auto359 | peppe: firefox tries to download the file |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | auto359: and have you cleared your browser cache and restarted the browser ? |
| 01:16.13 | auto359 | abrotman: yes, even restarted the web server and checked that httpd was running |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | auto359: is it publicly accessible ? |
| 01:16.32 | auto359 | no, internal LAN server |
| 01:16.38 | simmerz | have you checked /var/log/apache2/error.log ? |
| 01:17.06 | gonzaloaf | do I need to have installed php+apache+mysql in order to load php pages? |
| 01:17.07 | peppe | dutchfish: the "php5" package is useless, it depends on libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-common (which in turn is a dependency of libapache2-mod-php5) |
| 01:17.07 | auto359 | haha, 4 convos going and i still don't have a clue ... |
| 01:17.31 | auto359 | simmerz: can you point to a good howto that seems to work? |
| 01:17.32 | peppe | is just a metapackage |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | auto359: ls *php* /etc/apache2/modules-enabled/ |
| 01:17.54 | auto359 | what's the aptitude switch for pretend install? |
| 01:18.04 | simmerz | auto359: for me, aptitude install php5 libapache2-mod-php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart (that's it) |
| 01:18.21 | auto359 | ls: *php*: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.28 | peppe | what the hack |
| 01:18.31 | simmerz | auto359: so like I said a2enmod php5 |
| 01:18.35 | auto359 | simmerz: thanks |
| 01:18.39 | simmerz | ^^^ |
| 01:18.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I want to open a php file my iceweasel wants to download it, but epiphany loads it well, what's happening with my iceweasel? |
| 01:18.55 | auto359 | simmerz: This module does not exist! |
| 01:19.03 | abrotman | this module? |
| 01:19.04 | peppe | auto359: did you install libapache _2_ mod php5?? |
| 01:19.06 | dutchfish | like i said |
| 01:19.25 | auto359 | sudo a2enmod php5 => This module does not exist! |
| 01:19.30 | auto359 | peppe: yes |
| 01:19.35 | dutchfish | auto359, did you install php5? |
| 01:19.56 | auto359 | dutchfish: no, not as a standalone app |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | auto359: dpkg -l *php* |
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| 01:20.46 | peppe | dutchfish: here php5 is working, without that package ... it's just a metapackage |
| 01:20.47 | auto359 | abrotman: all the php* packages ... version none, ah that's gr8 |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:20.59 | simmerz | auto359: this is my list of php5 packages. some you won't necessarily need. I use the cli for running cron scripts, but you won't need to probably |
| 01:21.00 | simmerz | http://rafb.net/p/Wr8v0717.html |
| 01:21.15 | auto359 | simmerz: thanks |
| 01:21.17 | peppe | auto359: paste the output of dpkg -l "*php*" somewhere, please |
| 01:21.19 | simmerz | you should need line 1,2,4,11 |
| 01:21.57 | gonzaloaf | my problem is different that auto359, because I'm loading pages that are not located in my apache on localhost but in my hosting (lunarpages) |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | jesus .. libapache2-mod-php5 should be enough |
| 01:22.13 | auto359 | guys, i appreciate all your input, but i am going to reload it again, cos soemthing is well and truly fuxored |
| 01:22.16 | simmerz | abrotman: you'd think |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | he's saying it's not installed ? |
| 01:22.30 | auto359 | abrotman: that's what i thought ... libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 01:22.36 | simmerz | auto359: i would suggest you aptitude purge all the packages that you've installed |
| 01:22.38 | peppe | simmerz: that _is_ enough, just tried into a VM |
| 01:22.41 | abrotman | so dpkg -l *php* should show it |
| 01:22.51 | auto359 | simmerz: absolutely |
| 01:22.59 | simmerz | peppe: heh. I know I'd done that too somewhere somewhen |
| 01:23.16 | peppe | abrotman: quote that *, I bet that he has some file with "php" into his working dir... |
| 01:23.24 | peppe | auto359: dpkg -l "*php*" please |
| 01:23.48 | auto359 | peppe: ait ... |
| 01:23.51 | simmerz | peppe: might be too late, he's purging heh |
| 01:23.57 | gonzaloaf | auto359, where is the php page that you are trying to load? |
| 01:24.00 | peppe | d'oh ;) |
| 01:24.04 | simmerz | "Delete, delete, delete!" |
| 01:24.17 | peppe | developers, developers, dev... oh, sorry |
| 01:24.24 | auto359 | it was a test.php with phpinfo() is all, just to make sure it was working ... which it wasn't |
| 01:24.33 | simmerz | starts with the same couple of letters! |
| 01:25.16 | simmerz | auto359: jruby? or as separate entities? |
| 01:25.42 | gonzaloaf | auto359, but is it in your pc? I mean in a local apache? |
| 01:25.43 | auto359 | peppe: http://rafb.net/p/EjiuHF58.html as per your request |
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| 01:25.59 | gonzaloaf | auto359, can you try load this: www.gonzaloaf.net/test.php |
| 01:26.07 | peppe | auto359: un libapache2-mod |
| 01:26.15 | peppe | GROAR!! you NEVER did install that!! |
| 01:26.25 | auto359 | simmerz: seperate, using the Warbler gem to make a .war fom a rails apps, deploy using glassfish ... sweet, just mem monstrous |
| 01:26.40 | peppe | pn libapache-mod- GROAR² |
| 01:26.41 | simmerz | auto359: sounds horrendous. why not just use mongrel? |
| 01:26.53 | gonzaloaf | auto359, did it load? |
| 01:26.55 | auto359 | mongrel/mongrel_cluster ... PITA |
| 01:27.01 | auto359 | gonzaloaf: no, webserver gone |
| 01:27.08 | simmerz | auto359: nah, they're easy! |
| 01:27.23 | gonzaloaf | auto359, http://www.gonzaloaf.net/test.php |
| 01:27.33 | auto359 | gonzaloaf: thanks, it'll be a few mins |
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| 01:28.20 | gonzaloaf | auto359, did it load? |
| 01:28.29 | joanne^^ | is there a tool that will generate an mrtg graph that outlines bandwidth usage ... by user? if so, what is it? |
| 01:28.40 | auto359 | gonzaloaf: wait |
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| 01:29.02 | auto359 | simmerz: http://rafb.net/p/8yRdbw18.html ... my instructions, correct? |
| 01:29.05 | gonzaloaf | why I cant load this page? http://www.gonzaloaf.net/test.php , my iceweasel try to download the php file, with another web browers I can |
| 01:29.18 | auto359 | gonzaloaf: yes yes yes |
| 01:29.32 | auto359 | gonzaloaf: PHP Version 4.4.4 |
| 01:29.51 | simmerz | auto359: when you aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5, it should pull apache2 as a dep anyway |
| 01:29.58 | gonzaloaf | auto359, wow! I cant..... my iceweasel tries to download the file |
| 01:30.00 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: clear browser cache .. restart browser |
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| 01:30.05 | peppe | gonzaloaf: did you clean your iceweasel cache? |
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| 01:30.28 | auto359 | simmerz: i read a few howto's, they said to put apache 2 in first, then libapache2-mod ... not correct/ |
| 01:30.44 | simmerz | you can do |
| 01:30.55 | simmerz | many ways to skin a cat |
| 01:31.08 | peppe | auto359: the WHOLE POINT is that you installed libapache-mod-php5, NOT libapache2-mod-php5, as I told you two times |
| 01:31.08 | auto359 | k, i'll modify and let it do it's stuff |
| 01:31.25 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, peppe, yes! it worked! |
| 01:31.34 | gonzaloaf | why does it happen? |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | wtf is he doing ? |
| 01:31.36 | hatter | can i do a software 'plug/unplug' of a usb hard drive ? |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: your browser caches it |
| 01:31.50 | auto359 | peppe: ok, fair enough |
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| 01:33.33 | imagine | I got a problem.. I am writing the hostname of my server box on /etc/hosts and when I reboot.. I have no hostname ... any idea why on boot time it doesn't take my hostname from /etc/hosts ? |
| 01:34.06 | auto359 | simmerz: it wants to pull in apache2-mpm-prefork, let it or put apache2 in first? |
| 01:34.11 | dkr | imagine: that is not what /etc/hosts is for |
| 01:34.25 | peppe | imagine: hosts is for static name resolution |
| 01:34.26 | peppe | !hostname |
| 01:34.27 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 01:34.40 | imagine | well I'm also using hostname to set it right |
| 01:34.52 | imagine | and /etc/hostname doesn't exist.... |
| 01:34.56 | simmerz | auto359: apache2 on its own will pull mpm-worker, but php needs prefork. |
| 01:35.10 | imagine | ok I'm creating it |
| 01:35.11 | auto359 | simmerz: k, got it |
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| 01:35.21 | Facedown | hey. i just got a thinkpad.. how do i find out what my wireless nic is? |
| 01:35.31 | Facedown | trying to get wireless to work.. hm |
| 01:35.35 | peppe | Facedown: lspci? |
| 01:35.39 | Facedown | huh? |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | lspci |
| 01:35.44 | Facedown | type that in commmand line? ok |
| 01:36.03 | Facedown | Atheros 802.11abg NIC |
| 01:36.45 | Luria | madwifi for you |
| 01:36.52 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 01:36.53 | dpkg | madwifi-install is probably ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 01:37.19 | Facedown | so.. |
| 01:37.22 | Facedown | uh |
| 01:37.24 | Facedown | !contrib |
| 01:37.24 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 01:37.30 | Facedown | !non-free sources |
| 01:37.30 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 01:37.39 | peppe | Facedown: it works in query too :) |
| 01:37.43 | Facedown | hm |
| 01:37.48 | Facedown | what exactly do i do? im a total noob |
| 01:37.58 | Facedown | add the one with madwifi to my packages list? |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | Facedown: is etch installed ? |
| 01:38.05 | Facedown | yes |
| 01:38.18 | abrotman | do you have any network at all ? |
| 01:38.27 | Facedown | wired but i disconnected |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | like your 10/100 ? |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | you're going to need it |
| 01:38.31 | Facedown | gigabit |
| 01:38.34 | Facedown | ah |
| 01:38.38 | Facedown | oh yeah duh |
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| 01:39.16 | Facedown | k connected |
| 01:39.19 | Facedown | on wired |
| 01:39.29 | Facedown | u sure i should go with madwifi? |
| 01:39.36 | peppe | yes |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | Facedown: then you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib non-free" to the end of your sources .. then aptitude update and then aptitude install module-assistant and then m-a a-i madwifi |
| 01:39.49 | Facedown | uhh hold on |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | wasn't that easy! |
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| 01:40.12 | Facedown | the string 'contrib non-free' after the 4 lines i have there? |
| 01:40.16 | Facedown | i see |
| 01:40.21 | Facedown | deb http://foo etch main |
| 01:40.23 | peppe | after "main" ... |
| 01:40.27 | Facedown | deb http://foo etch/updates main contrib |
| 01:40.27 | peppe | yes, there |
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| 01:40.36 | Facedown | after contrib and after main? |
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| 01:40.50 | peppe | yes, everywhere |
| 01:40.57 | Facedown | k |
| 01:41.04 | Facedown | apt-get update ? |
| 01:41.08 | simmerz | yep |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | aptitude update |
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| 01:41.11 | peppe | save, update |
| 01:41.17 | peppe | install madwifi-tools too |
| 01:41.17 | Facedown | k |
| 01:41.21 | Facedown | now.. |
| 01:41.25 | Facedown | apt-get install module-assistant ? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | aptitude! |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 01:41.39 | Facedown | ? |
| 01:41.39 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 01:41.46 | Facedown | so wtf do i do |
| 01:41.50 | Facedown | aptitude install module-assistant ? |
| 01:41.50 | peppe | aptitude install module-assistant madwifi-tools |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | aptitude install module-assistant madwifi-tools |
| 01:41.54 | Facedown | ah |
| 01:41.57 | abrotman | then |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | m-a a-i madwifi |
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| 01:42.05 | phpusmo | I just installed mysql server..what's my mysql password? |
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| 01:42.14 | simmerz | phpusmo: you set it in debconf |
| 01:42.17 | dutchfish | phpusmo, none |
| 01:42.23 | Facedown | k |
| 01:42.25 | Facedown | now what |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | m-a a-i madwifi |
| 01:42.36 | Facedown | ??? |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | m-a a-i madwifi |
| 01:42.40 | Facedown | actual command? lol |
| 01:42.44 | Facedown | thought you were joking |
| 01:42.49 | abrotman | i never joke |
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| 01:42.53 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.53 | peppe | abrotman never jokes |
| 01:42.56 | peppe | abrotman: LOL |
| 01:43.06 | phpusmo | dutchfish, I want to install a control panel..what is a good free one? |
| 01:43.07 | phpusmo | plesk? |
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| 01:43.15 | simmerz | plesk != free |
| 01:43.27 | simmerz | webmin is free |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | webmin sucks |
| 01:43.35 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 01:43.35 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 01:43.38 | simmerz | abrotman: agreed |
| 01:43.54 | Facedown | wtf |
| 01:43.57 | Facedown | its asking me for g++ |
| 01:44.05 | abrotman | Facedown: aptitude install build-essential |
| 01:44.06 | peppe | Facedown: yes, you've to compile the module |
| 01:44.06 | phpusmo | so plesk is good? |
| 01:44.09 | Facedown | gcc, lib64, manpages-dev autoconf automake libtool |
| 01:44.10 | abrotman | then do the m-a command again |
| 01:44.11 | Facedown | flex bison gcc-doc |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | phpusmo: it's not in debian .. ask them |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | Facedown: right .. you need those to compile the driver |
| 01:44.23 | phpusmo | ? |
| 01:44.23 | simmerz | plesk is commercial |
| 01:44.25 | Facedown | k |
| 01:44.28 | Facedown | pressing yes to all |
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| 01:44.33 | abrotman | Facedown: good plan :) |
| 01:44.49 | peppe | abrotman: doesn't m-a install them automatically? |
| 01:44.52 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.02 | abrotman | peppe: yes .. i misunderstood what he was saying |
| 01:45.05 | abrotman | SexyKen: don't do that |
| 01:45.17 | Facedown | k |
| 01:45.19 | Facedown | its done |
| 01:45.20 | Facedown | now what |
| 01:45.21 | Facedown | hm |
| 01:45.22 | SexyKen | Sorry - I didn't realize I was in the plesk/webmin channel, etc. |
| 01:45.27 | SexyKen | ;-) |
| 01:45.36 | peppe | Facedown: all done what? compiled and installed the module? |
| 01:45.45 | Facedown | last thing was |
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| 01:45.49 | Facedown | setting up madwifi-modules |
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| 01:45.56 | Facedown | before that, unpacking madiwfi modules |
| 01:46.09 | peppe | Facedown: modprobe ath_pci |
| 01:46.35 | Facedown | k |
| 01:46.48 | Facedown | now should i disconnect ethernet n try? |
| 01:47.26 | peppe | you can try to associate with the AP having ethernet still connected |
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| 01:47.46 | Facedown | uhh |
| 01:47.58 | abrotman | SexyKen: you're not .. but you repeated after like three minutes |
| 01:48.15 | Facedown | what?!? |
| 01:48.22 | Facedown | associate.. with the ap.. having ethernet.. |
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| 01:48.42 | peppe | Facedown: ok, disconnect the ethernet cable and try the wireless :) |
| 01:49.03 | Facedown | i see |
| 01:49.06 | Facedown | time to configure router then |
| 01:49.09 | Facedown | i see connections |
| 01:49.10 | Facedown | lolo |
| 01:49.29 | Facedown | wireless channel.. 6 |
| 01:49.31 | Facedown | 2.4 ghz |
| 01:49.32 | Facedown | hm |
| 01:49.36 | Facedown | ssid broadcast enabled |
| 01:49.41 | Facedown | SES Inactive |
| 01:49.55 | Facedown | should i put wireless security on? |
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| 01:50.01 | abrotman | SexyKen: is there something goofy in your profile ? |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | Facedown: that's up to you |
| 01:50.31 | peppe | Facedown: it's generally a good idea, unless you are bruce schneier |
| 01:50.38 | Facedown | what should i name it |
| 01:50.40 | Facedown | RIAA? |
| 01:50.41 | Facedown | lol |
| 01:50.44 | abrotman | Facedown: it's UP TO YOU |
| 01:50.51 | SexyKen | abrot: Not that I can see |
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| 01:51.06 | SexyKen | If I turn off all services - it works. |
| 01:51.09 | abrotman | SexyKen: tried creating a new user ? |
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| 01:51.45 | aeramirez | hello, i have a problem with apt-spy, it doesn't find any country |
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| 01:52.10 | aeramirez | # apt-spy -d testing -s us -e 10 |
| 01:52.11 | aeramirez | Couldn't find country US . Skipping. |
| 01:52.11 | aeramirez | Error building country file. Exiting. |
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| 01:53.47 | aeramirez | if i try with -a north-america, then it can't find CA, US nor MX |
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| 01:54.01 | ubd | hi xorg couldnt detect screen and didnt star. i tried to fix it via dpkg-rcfg. xserver goes out of sync. how can choose xorg not to start so i can fix it |
| 01:54.08 | aeramirez | any idea? |
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| 01:55.35 | abrotman | aeramirez: North-America ? case-sensitive ? |
| 01:56.31 | auto359 | abrotman: purged apache2 and php5*, start again, got this install error => http://rafb.net/p/IDFOX858.html |
| 01:56.48 | peppe | ubd: not to start at boot? do you have some graphic login manager? (btw, after a certain number of crashes, the X server does not start anymore and you can go into a tty and try fixing things) |
| 01:56.56 | LassieTheBrave | So I'm installing testing onto a Lifebook containing a wireless card needing the ipw2200 driver, wich is loaded, and the ipw2200 3.0 firmaware wich i downloaded and installed according to instructions (in /lib/firmware) and yet the same error is presented |
| 01:57.09 | auto359 | i may have been over-zealous with removing things ... |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | !find usr/share/php5/php.ini-dist etch |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | auto359: no kidding |
| 01:57.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/php5/php.ini-dist' (1): (/usr/share/php5/{php.ini-dist|php.ini-dist.cli}) in web/php5-common. |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | auto359: aptitude install php5-common |
| 01:57.33 | ubd | tty dodnt works' or it works but i cant see it. screen goes completely black after x |
| 01:57.47 | auto359 | abrotman: k |
| 01:57.56 | aeramirez | abrotman, North-America or north-america i get the same error |
| 01:58.07 | ubd | i have gdm peppe |
| 01:58.12 | peppe | php5-common is a dependency of libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 01:58.29 | auto359 | abrotman: same error as libapache2 |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | aeramirez: what's the full command ? |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | auto359: aptitude reinstall php5-common |
| 01:58.45 | simmerz | peppe: odd that it hasn't installed the file though |
| 01:58.45 | aeramirez | # apt-spy -d testing -a North-America -e 10 |
| 01:58.45 | aeramirez | Couldn't find country CA . Skipping. |
| 01:58.45 | aeramirez | Couldn't find country US . Skipping. |
| 01:58.45 | aeramirez | Couldn't find country MX . Skipping. |
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| 01:59.17 | abrotman | aeramirez: did you run apt-spy update ? |
| 01:59.49 | peppe | ubd: hm, if the screen goes black and you had not another way to logging in (ssh...) is nasty problem. you should recover your system in some way |
| 02:00.02 | auto359 | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/wYsOXY54.html |
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| 02:00.33 | abrotman | auto359: what the hell did you do? |
| 02:00.41 | aeramirez | abrotman, thanks i didn't |
| 02:00.42 | Facedown | last question.. how can i refresh my list of wireless connections? |
| 02:00.52 | ubd | ok peppe thank you |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | Facedown: depends on the tool you're using |
| 02:00.54 | peppe | ubd: like a live cd (you mount /, chroot into it and disable gdm), or using init=/bin/bash on your kernel's CLI... |
| 02:00.54 | aeramirez | and that was the answer |
| 02:00.57 | Facedown | hm |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | auto359: how did you uninstall stuff? with rm? |
| 02:01.26 | ubd | ok ill try |
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| 02:01.33 | ubd | cya guys hf bye |
| 02:01.36 | joanne^^ | is there a tool that will generate an mrtg graph that outlines bandwidth usage ... by user? if so, what is it? |
| 02:02.03 | auto359 | well i purged all the packages, then the .debs, then some rm cos some of the things were conflicting, i have fuxored this haven't i? |
| 02:02.15 | peppe | "some rm"? |
| 02:02.28 | peppe | hey, /usr/lib/ is conflicting! |
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| 02:02.49 | abrotman | things don't conflict when you purge |
| 02:03.03 | LassieTheBrave | I've installed ipw2200 firmware into /lib/firmware according to the instructions found on ipw2200.sourceforge.net and yet I'm told that the firmware couldn't be loaded... Anybody with ideas? |
| 02:03.04 | ubd | Btw is it possible to mount a ntfs partition as /home |
| 02:03.22 | joanne^^ | ubd: yes, but only if you have no interest in writing to it. |
| 02:03.49 | ubd | joanne^^ ntfs write support doesnt work? |
| 02:04.02 | peppe | with ntfs-3g you can write on ntfs |
| 02:04.10 | peppe | don't expect extraordinary performance, though |
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| 02:04.37 | ubd | alrught |
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| 02:04.40 | joanne^^ | ubd: my last understanding was that it was experimental and could be a totally awesome way to jack your drive beyond recovery. otoh, i use samba (ick) and ext3 (hrm), mounted to my windows boxen, so i don't have recent experience. |
| 02:04.53 | peppe | ubd: but WHY do you want to have a ntfs partition for /home? :) |
| 02:05.22 | auto359 | peppe: so his pRon is somewhere else safe 8-) |
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| 02:05.29 | peppe | ... |
| 02:05.30 | ubd | lol |
| 02:05.34 | LassieTheBrave | Let me rephrase, in debian ipw2200 firmware goes where? |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | /usr/local/firmware/ IIRC |
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| 02:06.14 | peppe | LassieTheBrave: /lib/firmware |
| 02:06.18 | ubd | well i dunno i want to format that partition to reiser but its too big so i cant backemup so i thought mountung it would be funky though unnecessary |
| 02:06.34 | GuilhermeBrant | hey how can I get a .wmv decoder for ffmpeg? |
| 02:06.38 | acid2 | Hmm, what does "E: Dynamic mmap ran out of room" ... "while processing linux-headers-2.6-xen-vserver-686" mean? |
| 02:06.47 | acid2 | this is when I call apt-get update |
| 02:07.04 | LassieTheBrave | Peppe: yes that's where I've put it but the driver doesn't find it... |
| 02:07.20 | peppe | acid2: increase APT::Cache-Limit into apt.conf |
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| 02:07.34 | acid2 | ok |
| 02:07.39 | abrotman | !tell acid2 about mmap |
| 02:07.45 | peppe | LassieTheBrave: are you sure you picked up the right firmware? there are many versions out there |
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| 02:07.59 | huhlig | lovely |
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| 02:08.03 | peppe | GuilhermeBrant: AFAIK ffmpeg has a VC-1 (wmv9) native decoder |
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| 02:08.12 | huhlig | debian testing freezes at scanning the mirror |
| 02:08.45 | GuilhermeBrant | peppe I'm trying to convert an wmv file to avi,but it returns unknown format for the archive |
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| 02:09.08 | peppe | GuilhermeBrant: does ffplay play it? |
| 02:09.09 | hdevalence | where can I get the list of debian APT mirrors? ftp3.nrc.ca is crapping out on me.. |
| 02:09.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | d.o/mirrors isnt it? |
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| 02:09.51 | acid2 | I've put apt::cache-limit up to 50000000 and I'm still getting this mmap error - that's 5 times higher than what was suggested |
| 02:09.53 | GuilhermeBrant | peppe I dunno ffplay,but toten didn't...I tried to play it on VLC,it does play,but the frames keeps stopping |
| 02:09.54 | hdevalence | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks! |
| 02:10.02 | acid2 | does this seem... right? I only have 4 lines in my sources.list |
| 02:10.12 | abrotman | acid2: how many sources do you have ? |
| 02:10.14 | peppe | GuilhermeBrant: did you see that videoclip on another system? |
| 02:10.23 | acid2 | abrotman: 4 |
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| 02:11.00 | LassieTheBrave | Peppe: according to the great intertubes debian stable should have v3.0 wich is the latest version... and nobody else seems ever to have had this kind of issues with it ("everywhere" it says "untar, rmmod modprobe all done") |
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| 02:11.04 | acid2 | I commented a few out and it seems to work, I'll have a poke around |
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| 02:11.11 | peppe | GuilhermeBrant: if you're using x86, install mencoder and the w32codecs and use mencoder for the conversion |
| 02:11.59 | GuilhermeBrant | hmmmm....Il've already tried mencoder,but it took like 20 minutes to encode 30 mb of the 400mb of the video |
| 02:12.34 | GuilhermeBrant | isn't there anything faster? |
| 02:12.34 | peppe | GuilhermeBrant: that's because wmv has a very high framerate (1000~10000 fps), drop it with -ofps |
| 02:12.43 | kuber | mencoder has quite a few options |
| 02:12.47 | kuber | you may want to look into them |
| 02:12.56 | GuilhermeBrant | well let me see here |
| 02:13.03 | GuilhermeBrant | thank you |
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| 02:13.17 | huhlig | what would cause debian installer to freeze at 37% |
| 02:13.22 | LassieTheBrave | Peppe: got it; corrupt file (heh...).. |
| 02:13.33 | kuber | huhlig: anytjing interesting on the ttys? |
| 02:13.38 | huhlig | nope |
| 02:13.49 | kuber | is this in installing packages? downloading? |
| 02:14.02 | huhlig | running installer again now |
| 02:14.17 | huhlig | packages |
| 02:14.24 | kuber | packages off disk? |
| 02:14.27 | kuber | or network? |
| 02:14.28 | huhlig | network |
| 02:14.31 | kuber | hm. |
| 02:14.38 | kuber | does it always stop at 37 or was this just once? |
| 02:14.46 | huhlig | testing again |
| 02:14.51 | kuber | word |
| 02:15.14 | huhlig | vmware 6 |
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| 02:15.17 | kuber | ahh |
| 02:15.31 | Joelito | Is there a nightly-build for debian? |
| 02:15.32 | kuber | running off the iso file? |
| 02:15.39 | huhlig | yea |
| 02:15.43 | huhlig | net install iso |
| 02:15.45 | kuber | huhlig: i had a similar problem, using the netinst. |
| 02:15.50 | huhlig | hmm |
| 02:15.53 | kuber | ended up just getting disc1 full and installing. |
| 02:15.58 | huhlig | ok |
| 02:16.01 | kuber | this was about a week ago |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | Joelito: for what? |
| 02:16.25 | Joelito | abrotman: To get the lastest build stable |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 02:16.35 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
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| 02:17.11 | GuilhermeBrant | peppe is there a GUI for mencoder?I'm a linux noob,not used to command lines |
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| 02:17.22 | Gun_Smoke | I just noticed that Ooo has some issues with the new Word format? Exactly what muck ups are happening? Saving anyway work most of the time? I was thinking there might just be a few wild card issues for the warning. |
| 02:17.24 | Joelito | abrotman: Default r2 doesn't support my networkcard, because the version of the kernel |
| 02:17.36 | huhlig | GuilhermeBrant, several |
| 02:17.40 | hdevalence | afaik, debian stable = weapons-grade debian |
| 02:17.42 | wols_ | Joelito: nightly and stable... you are a very confused cookie |
| 02:17.44 | abrotman | Joelito: okay and? |
| 02:17.50 | huhlig | hdevalence, bull |
| 02:17.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gun_Smoke, meaning the ooxml files? |
| 02:17.56 | wols_ | Joelito: what NIC chip is it? |
| 02:18.03 | huhlig | I can quote the bug from pljava as a perfect example |
| 02:18.06 | FLUXxXx | Hello! Does anyone know what's the difference between RSYSLOG and SYSKLOGD? Which one is more addvanced and which one would YOU use? Thanks! |
| 02:18.10 | peppe | GuilhermeBrant: yes, but I don't suggest you using a GUI, usually they aren't in sync with mencoder CLI options |
| 02:18.23 | Joelito | abrotman: Looking if there's a nightly build I can get latest kernel |
| 02:18.39 | abrotman | !tell Joelito about bpo |
| 02:18.47 | joanne^^ | can i rig a 10/100 lan card plugged into 100 switch or hub to only link at 10? |
| 02:18.59 | wols_ | Joelito: yes |
| 02:19.04 | aeramirez | is my sources.list or there isn't apt-build in testing? |
| 02:19.07 | peppe | joanne^^: ethtool / mii-tool? |
| 02:19.19 | wols_ | !info apt-build lenny |
| 02:19.31 | Gun_Smoke | Kamping_Kaiser: Doing it again for the exact results.. 1 sec. |
| 02:19.43 | wols_ | <dpkg> Package 'apt-build' does not exist. |
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| 02:19.53 | Joelito | abrotman: looking @ backports.org |
| 02:19.54 | peppe | joanne^^: like "autoneg off advertise something" |
| 02:20.06 | joanne^^ | peppe: that's my question. :-) i'm considering buying a colo that offers 100mb uplinks, but only 3500g free xfer, which is a hair over 10mb sustained. so to eliminate the possibility of overage charges, i'd want to limit my link speed |
| 02:20.09 | wols_ | !tell Joelito about kmuto |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | i think he's already installed |
| 02:20.34 | peppe | joanne^^: you can do it with ethtool |
| 02:20.41 | aeramirez | !info apt-build lenny |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | lovely |
| 02:21.15 | FLUXxXx | Hello! Does anyone know what's the difference between RSYSLOG and SYSKLOGD? Which one is more addvanced and which one would YOU use? Thanks! |
| 02:21.34 | peppe | FLUXxXx: don't repeat the same question very three minutes, is frustating |
| 02:21.38 | Joelito | wols_:try that, doesn't come with installgui, neither spanish |
| 02:22.01 | peppe | joanne^^: not all network cards however support every feature of ethtool, but if you have a good one is ok |
| 02:22.08 | wols_ | Joelito: what has that to do with anything? it's a standard etch installer |
| 02:22.33 | auto359 | abrotman: for info, i just trashed the system, i'll try again carefully |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | good plan |
| 02:22.57 | Gun_Smoke | Kamping_Kaiser: I get "This document may contain formatting or content that cannot be saved in the Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP file format. Do you want to save the file document in this format anyway? |
| 02:23.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gun_Smoke, thtas OO.o telling you your not saving in the native format |
| 02:23.45 | Joelito | abrotman: I found "http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386" are those "stable"? |
| 02:24.13 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: I think that OOo says that every time you save in the .doc format, in order to warn you to not expect 100% fidelty |
| 02:24.28 | wols_ | Joelito: yes. but it won't solve your problem |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | Joelito: sure .. but they aren't nightly |
| 02:24.37 | Gun_Smoke | peppe: 99% hopeful? |
| 02:24.40 | wols_ | they use kernel 2.6.18 |
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| 02:24.51 | Gun_Smoke | I'm jumping documents between work and home. |
| 02:25.11 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: maybe 1% too, it depends on how much complicated is the layout of your documents |
| 02:25.18 | Joelito | wols_ abrotman: How can I use backports if I don't have internet access? |
| 02:25.20 | Gun_Smoke | wow |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | !tell Joelito about kmuto |
| 02:25.31 | wols_ | Joelito: you have internet access right now |
| 02:25.53 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: can't you install openoffice on both sides? |
| 02:26.01 | peppe | that would be the perfect solution :) |
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| 02:26.35 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: btw it's just a plaintext document with two headings, or something much more complicated? |
| 02:26.44 | Joelito | wols_: If install of those kmuto iso, I wan't get spanish debian, which some pleople here will find weird -_- |
| 02:27.01 | wols_ | Joelito: there is no "spanish debian" |
| 02:27.03 | Gun_Smoke | not atm... But the Director is having me put Ooo on his laptop tomorrow after he over heard me saying it was possible to do paperwork for free.. |
| 02:27.13 | wols_ | Joelito: there is only one debian, and that's it |
| 02:27.29 | Gun_Smoke | I'm hoping he'll flop me a hunde |
| 02:27.40 | wd | linuxmichelle? |
| 02:28.10 | Joelito | wols_: oh, but what If I downloaded gnome, shouldn't gnome be english? |
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| 02:28.26 | wols_ | Joelito: gnome can be localized |
| 02:28.39 | wd | any successful powerbook 1400 deb installs? |
| 02:28.48 | wols_ | !tell wd about anyone |
| 02:28.53 | wols_ | !tell wd about laptops |
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| 02:29.06 | Joelito | wols_: That's the thing, debian r2, has spanish gui and therefore, everything is spanish :) |
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| 02:29.34 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: if you really *must* export to .doc to give this file to another people, try to do this just once when you stop modifying it. in the meantime keep it saved as odt |
| 02:29.40 | Gun_Smoke | Another question.. What's up with Word 2007 formats and Ooo? Any known? |
| 02:29.49 | drwahl | i recently did apt-get upgrade, and since the upgrade, my screensaver has been changing randomly. when i right click on the desktop (kde) and check the screen saver settings, it says that it is set to blank (which is what i would like it to be). is there maybe some other place that the screen saver is defined? |
| 02:29.57 | wd | wols_, that was wonderful, hey thanks. |
| 02:30.13 | Joelito | brb |
| 02:30.13 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: maybe for ooo3.0, that's planned for 2009 |
| 02:30.21 | Gun_Smoke | grrrrrr |
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| 02:30.31 | wols_ | Joelito: there is only one debian. only one on this planet. it's ALL the same debian. ALL of it |
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| 02:30.50 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: probably have more luck in the openoffice channels .. though i will tell you that people in my office have trouble opening 07 docs in 03 |
| 02:31.00 | wols_ | joanne^^: there is no special spanish debian. kmuto is the EXACT same installer as debian 4.0r2 but with a different kernel |
| 02:31.29 | peppe | abrotman: that *always* happened between two versions of office :) |
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| 02:31.37 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: I hear you... I have seen the issue myself. |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | peppe: it's worse this time |
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| 02:32.26 | peppe | abrotman: yeah, that's a sad story :| let's just hope for the next ooxml ballot.. |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:33.31 | Gun_Smoke | peppe: What usually happens: I'm not paid to do office work at the country club I work for.. The occasional document comes up that the girls can't complete and he (the man) asks me to pull off. I do for points down the road. But I do these from home. The office is moving with the ms blob. |
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| 02:34.55 | Gun_Smoke | Didn't ms just loose big with some standard format something or other involving documents? www's or the like? |
| 02:35.15 | Muffin | Hello, i'm trying to set up more than one search domain. I can do it fine by editing resolv.conf, but my changes keep getting overwritten...I think by dhcp3-client |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | Muffin: there's an option to the dhcp3 client config that stops that |
| 02:35.57 | drwahl | i recently did apt-get upgrade, and since the upgrade, my screensaver has been changing randomly. when i right click on the desktop (kde) and check the screen saver settings, it says that it is set to blank (which is what i would like it to be). is there maybe some other place that the screen saver is defined? |
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| 02:36.56 | Muffin | abrotman: I used to use the "supercede domain-name" option, but since I have two domain names, it doesn't work. |
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| 02:37.10 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: yes, of course ms tactic is locking you in with its file format |
| 02:37.17 | Muffin | Some recent dhcp3 upgrade broke putting two supercede domains on the same line...so now I need to have two "domain" lines in my resolv.conf |
| 02:37.31 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: (actually, ms tried to do that for the www too) |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | Muffin: look at the "request" options |
| 02:38.06 | Gun_Smoke | peppe: I remember reading something about them being pretty upset that the open source format would be considered standard. |
| 02:38.30 | Gun_Smoke | i don't remember what it pertained to. |
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| 02:38.54 | peppe | Gun_Smoke: if you need to open properly office files you need office, no less, no more. maybe you can migrate existing installations to ooo and keep just one office to use whenever you receive .doc files and similar stuff |
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| 02:39.45 | Muffin | abrotman: It is requesting a lot of things. Should I just drop one of them, like "domain-name"? |
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| 02:40.01 | Nyle | I print out everything to a pdf file too |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | Muffin: or dns servers or whatever it is |
| 02:40.14 | Gun_Smoke | peppe: Oh well the MORON from the IT company that takes care of the 2 PC's and the server that sits in the Pro's offices left the pwd on a postit.. I'll put Ooo on all machines in the am. |
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| 02:40.30 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: umm |
| 02:40.34 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: do not do that. |
| 02:40.36 | dvs | Gun_Smoke: heh |
| 02:40.47 | mosno | the idiots have taken over |
| 02:40.59 | Nyle | if it is an IT company, they must have thier own security policies, if any, and ooo might not be in their agenda |
| 02:41.06 | Nyle | don't do things unless you are the decision maker |
| 02:41.16 | dvs | Gun_Smoke: Tell his manager, get him fired! ;-) |
| 02:41.20 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: I actually will have full blessing from the Director.. I'm putting Ooo on his laptop in the AM as well.. |
| 02:41.32 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: first do what is asked of you |
| 02:41.40 | Nyle | when he likes ooo, then you can try to convince him |
| 02:41.43 | Nyle | right now, bad move. |
| 02:41.51 | mosno | dvs: i'm guessing he'll have to also educate the manager as to why stickynote-passwd(tm) is a bad idea |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | !ot |
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| 02:41.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 02:42.09 | dvs | mosno: Oh yeah, PHB, good point |
| 02:42.12 | Nyle | oh god |
| 02:42.16 | Nyle | abrot woman must be around |
| 02:42.16 | mosno | abrotman: good god, #debian? i thought this was ##linux with all the OT |
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| 02:43.26 | Nyle | wow |
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| 02:43.37 | Nyle | there is just SOOOOO MUCH ontopic debian support going on right now |
| 02:43.41 | Nyle | OT is really killing it |
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| 02:44.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | looks like its killing back |
| 02:44.36 | Gun_Smoke | That was a nice 100 man dump |
| 02:44.38 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: you have a very violent nickname ;) |
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| 02:44.58 | Gun_Smoke | Nawww... once was here.. then i was gone.. hehe |
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| 02:45.11 | Nyle | cool |
| 02:45.23 | Nyle | I have ALMOST got my amd64 lenny desktop setup just the way I like it |
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| 02:45.46 | Nyle | I just need a few good fonts, wallpaper, I guess thats it |
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| 02:46.00 | Nyle | I could always use bootsplash in grub and loadtime, and try to colorize my bootup output |
| 02:46.05 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: You have a great answer for just about everything.. Thanks. |
| 02:46.11 | Nyle | I have been meaning to do that for a long time |
| 02:46.15 | abrotman | for what? |
| 02:46.20 | Gun_Smoke | Everything. |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | are you going to yell at me again? |
| 02:46.30 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: What time is it? |
| 02:46.31 | `y7 | Wednesday 13/02/2008 21:46:37 EST |
| 02:46.35 | Nyle | time |
| 02:46.38 | Gun_Smoke | see |
| 02:46.39 | Nyle | what time is it? |
| 02:46.40 | `y7 | Wednesday 13/02/2008 21:46:46 EST |
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| 02:46.43 | Nyle | fucking gay ass bot |
| 02:46.44 | Gun_Smoke | lol |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | `y7: done ? |
| 02:46.48 | dvs | ha! |
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| 02:47.01 | Nyle | !bot |
| 02:47.02 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 02:47.05 | Nyle | nm |
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| 02:47.25 | Nyle | don't you need some sort of permission to run a public bot in #debian? |
| 02:49.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow. |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | whoops |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | sorry .. tripped over the cable |
| 02:49.48 | cloakable | o.o |
| 02:49.48 | diveli | :) |
| 02:49.48 | dvs | abrotman: heh |
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| 02:49.57 | dvs | welcome back! |
| 02:49.57 | abrotman | !netsplit |
| 02:49.57 | dpkg | hmm... netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 02:50.09 | Gun_Smoke | what did I say about that abrotman!!! |
| 02:50.09 | Gun_Smoke | Always has the answer.. |
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| 02:50.09 | Gun_Smoke | To hell with wikipedia.. I know a guy that knows a guy that knows the answer.. I'm telling ya |
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| 02:50.58 | Nyle | FUCK! |
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| 02:51.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | this is a bit less skinny :) |
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| 02:52.09 | Gun_Smoke | I always thought you should be dumped if you were not active for say 2-3 hours. |
| 02:52.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | eg having dinner? |
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| 02:52.42 | abrotman | in a meeting? |
| 02:52.42 | Gun_Smoke | I know the argument you may want to read things over.. Isn't that what logs are for? |
| 02:52.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | but you got kicked... |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | how the hell would you log if you got dumped? |
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| 02:53.28 | Gun_Smoke | I've found daily logs before.. |
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| 02:53.44 | Gun_Smoke | print them and enjoy the morning push |
| 02:53.52 | Nyle | wow |
| 02:53.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | *print* irc logs?? |
| 02:53.59 | Nyle | I had no idea they made assholes into debian ops |
| 02:54.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | how weird are you o_0 |
| 02:54.10 | Nyle | thats some fucked up shit. |
| 02:54.11 | joanne^^ | Nyle: you're new here, aren't you. |
| 02:54.22 | Nyle | joanne^^: sure w/e |
| 02:54.23 | Caelum | if you're using an ia32 chroot on amd64, is there a way to get uname to report a 32 bit architecture? |
| 02:54.44 | Nyle | Caelum: through ia32libs, afaik no. |
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| 02:55.08 | Caelum | Nyle: aww... maybe I'll just write a wrapper shell script |
| 02:55.15 | dkr | make yuor own script to replace it |
| 02:55.17 | Gun_Smoke | bright side... the 4 pages of drops might have served a purpose |
| 02:55.19 | dkr | Caelum: heh :) |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: it wasn't a drop .. |
| 02:55.39 | Nyle | dkr: so... am I right or wrong? |
| 02:55.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | linux32 might do it |
| 02:55.54 | sparr_ | is it just me or is the internet a little broken this evening? |
| 02:55.58 | Nyle | sparr_: it is |
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| 02:56.00 | joanne^^ | is there a tool that will generate an mrtg graph that outlines bandwidth usage ... by user? if so, what is it? |
| 02:56.07 | Nyle | I was DC twice after 500s lag |
| 02:56.09 | SexyKen | Hey guys - I have somehting funky going on. |
| 02:56.11 | dkr | Nyle: for calling people assholes on here? you are wrong to do so |
| 02:56.20 | Nyle | dkr: I'm sorry? |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | SexyKen: i asked you a question awhile ago .. got no response |
| 02:56.33 | SexyKen | For someone reason, my server is hanging went I have 'netfs' enabled - if I do an interactive boot and dont start the netfs server, it doesn't hang. |
| 02:56.36 | Nyle | I say it like it is dkr |
| 02:56.38 | Nyle | I don't make shit up. |
| 02:56.45 | Nyle | I been here too long to know, too long. |
| 02:56.59 | SexyKen | And when I say hang, the server boots normally - so it seems. But once you login, no commands are actually processed.... |
| 02:57.04 | Nyle | anyway... I meant about the ia32libs uname |
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| 02:57.29 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: It's a beer night for all men that just dropped too much money on dam Vday.. If you are in NA and/or who ever else is wasting money on tomorrow. |
| 02:57.33 | Nyle | I wonder, if you setup a 32bit chroot, and type uname in it wouldn't it give you a i386? |
| 02:57.40 | dkr | Nyle: that doesn't make it acceptable here. but I I just took the opportunity to misread your question and express my disapproval ;) |
| 02:57.58 | Gun_Smoke | I don't think much gets accomplished either tonight or for the first few hours of tomorrow. |
| 02:57.58 | Nyle | dkr: :) you da man |
| 02:58.01 | auto359 | Gun_Smoke: amen! another conspiracy by hallmark.com |
| 02:58.03 | SexyKen | abrotman: What was your question? |
| 02:58.15 | Gun_Smoke | auto359: You got it. |
| 02:58.30 | Nyle | dkr: there are many things that are unacceptable |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | SexyKen: i'm guessing it's irrelevant now |
| 02:58.42 | Nyle | but depending on who you are here, you can get away with certain things |
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| 02:58.49 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: really .. try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:58.56 | Nyle | take this asshole for example :) |
| 02:58.58 | SexyKen | I see -- well with the update, do you why this would be happneing? |
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| 02:59.05 | auto359 | sudo aptitude -V install subversion subversion-tools -y |
| 02:59.11 | auto359 | ah damn, whoops |
| 02:59.11 | puremooon | what is command to install *.deb packet ? |
| 02:59.12 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: Give me a min.. I'll go break something and need some help.. |
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| 02:59.18 | Nyle | dkr: but still, am I right or wrong, about the uname? |
| 02:59.26 | Ricoshady | does tar czf run it thru gzip too? |
| 02:59.28 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: will it actually be a Debian question for a change? |
| 02:59.30 | dkr | Nyle: I don't know |
| 02:59.32 | Nyle | dkr: still havn't yet setup my full 32bit chroot |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | Ricoshady: yes |
| 02:59.38 | Nyle | i'll do it tonight and find out then |
| 02:59.41 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: you be |
| 02:59.42 | Gun_Smoke | t |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | Ricoshady: that's what the 'z' is for |
| 03:00.01 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: beware. |
| 03:00.11 | Gun_Smoke | of> |
| 03:00.11 | Gun_Smoke | of? |
| 03:00.17 | Nyle | just... beware. |
| 03:00.56 | puremooon | what is command to install *.deb packet ? |
| 03:01.03 | Nyle | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 03:01.05 | Nyle | as root |
| 03:01.07 | abrotman | !tell puremooon about grounding |
| 03:01.08 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:01.19 | Nyle | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 03:01.19 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
| 03:01.38 | puremooon | thank you |
| 03:01.41 | Nyle | sure |
| 03:01.50 | auto359 | Gun_Smoke: i think nyle is here just to fuxor with people cos it makes him feel good |
| 03:01.51 | Nyle | puremooon: read the manpage of dpkg too |
| 03:02.04 | Nyle | no I'm here to help |
| 03:02.15 | Gun_Smoke | auto359: And abrotman has a whip. |
| 03:02.16 | Nyle | but I don't have time to waste on people who break shit themselves |
| 03:02.24 | Nyle | fuck abrotman |
| 03:02.49 | Nyle | I'll support you as best as i can, but you shouldn't break thins for fun ;) |
| 03:02.53 | Nyle | unless you're a masochist |
| 03:02.57 | auto359 | in that case, you are in the wrong place, software seldomly breaks itself -> garbage in, garbage out |
| 03:02.58 | Nyle | or you are trying to learn things |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | yeah right |
| 03:03.12 | Nyle | auto359: excuse me? |
| 03:03.13 | Gun_Smoke | bahaha... leave me alone.. I'm reading |
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| 03:03.29 | Gun_Smoke | how to break stuff |
| 03:03.33 | Nyle | lol |
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| 03:03.41 | Nyle | !spank Gun_Smoke |
| 03:03.55 | Gun_Smoke | You missed dumb ass |
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| 03:04.08 | Nyle | I'm not Red Foreman ; |
| 03:04.10 | Nyle | ;) |
| 03:04.40 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 03:04.40 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 03:05.30 | Nyle | auto359: software breaks down constantly |
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| 03:05.37 | Nyle | though you are correct that it never breaks itself |
| 03:05.40 | Nyle | that is true |
| 03:05.48 | auto359 | that is my point |
| 03:05.51 | Nyle | it breaks becuase of the programmers mistakes |
| 03:06.00 | Nyle | indirectly, it still breaks without user intervention |
| 03:06.10 | Nyle | it can* |
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| 03:06.32 | Gun_Smoke | If you had to blow you do anything in konsole I think we all would be much farther ahead. |
| 03:06.32 | auto359 | correct, though it is hardly fair to say ppl do it for fun, who the fark would waste their time deliberately doing that? |
| 03:06.38 | Nyle | so to say that software seldomly breaks itself, that is incorrect |
| 03:06.57 | Nyle | right there |
| 03:07.04 | Nyle | auto359: look right where I'm pointing |
| 03:07.08 | Nyle | do you see it |
| 03:07.12 | Nyle | THAT guy. he would. |
| 03:07.16 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 03:07.46 | auto359 | anyway, you win, i've things to do ... |
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| 03:08.23 | Nyle | !win Nyle |
| 03:08.24 | Gun_Smoke | Thank god for partimage.. |
| 03:08.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, Nyle! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:08.51 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: try importing nbds in a SW array before the advent of SAN |
| 03:09.00 | Nyle | now thats fun stuff ;) |
| 03:09.09 | Nyle | sw raid* |
| 03:09.26 | Nyle | you don't have to break stuff, and you learn a good bit |
| 03:09.37 | Caelum | Nyle: this is the script I made for that: /bin/uname "$@" | sed -e 's/x86_64/i386/' |
| 03:09.49 | Nyle | well |
| 03:09.57 | Nyle | thas ugly |
| 03:10.03 | Nyle | but it works |
| 03:10.06 | Caelum | :) |
| 03:10.12 | Nyle | dunno why you wanna do that anyway |
| 03:10.41 | Gun_Smoke | Is there a good bash scrips 101 link someone can toss out.. Really starting from no knowledge to be productive in A.M. sober time...? |
| 03:10.52 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: #bash |
| 03:10.56 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: google "bash howto" start reading |
| 03:10.58 | Caelum | Nyle: have some stuff that tries to do various things based on the architecture (and doesn't support amd64 yet) that I want to think is running on an i386 |
| 03:11.09 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 03:11.18 | Gun_Smoke | that's our abrotman!!!! answers galore |
| 03:11.23 | Nyle | Caelum: yeh i had to do an ugly hack like that for the flash installer for someone |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: sarcasm not appreciated |
| 03:11.40 | Gun_Smoke | None sent.. |
| 03:11.52 | Nyle | i told you beware |
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| 03:12.04 | Nyle | this cat can even aggrivate a stone |
| 03:12.15 | Nyle | anyway |
| 03:12.18 | auto359 | Gun_Smoke: i think that was being facetious not sarcastic |
| 03:12.31 | Tramp | Gnurdux: you may want to check the links in /topic #bash |
| 03:12.36 | Tramp | sorry |
| 03:12.37 | Nyle | Caelum: I used something like that on the flashplayer installer script you get with adobe flash |
| 03:12.45 | Tramp | Gun_Smoke: you may want to check the links in /topic #bash |
| 03:12.52 | Nyle | Caelum: won't install on my amd64, so just took out the arch_check subroutine |
| 03:12.57 | Nyle | so I* |
| 03:13.06 | Gun_Smoke | I was asking for what someone might have found more useful than others.. Why read through outdated crap out there. |
| 03:13.08 | Tramp | yeah .... it's getting late, I'm getting weary |
| 03:13.12 | Gun_Smoke | Tramp: Thanks. |
| 03:13.25 | Nyle | Tramp: don't you love the tab key when it doesn't work ;) |
| 03:13.53 | Nyle | I usually always type the first 2-3 letters of a nickname before I hit tab |
| 03:13.54 | Tramp | Nyle: it worked, I had a "twister" in my typing 8) (Gun/Gnu) |
| 03:14.01 | dkr | xchat has a feature to sort nick complete by last spoke order rather than alphabetic. quite useful |
| 03:14.07 | Nyle | less chance of misfire, thats I meant by 'doesn't work' :) |
| 03:14.13 | abrotman | dkr: IIRC not enabled by default |
| 03:14.21 | Nyle | Tramp: ahh |
| 03:14.23 | Nyle | word |
| 03:14.30 | dkr | abrotman: which is why I inform people about it. ;) |
| 03:14.39 | Nyle | um |
| 03:14.43 | Nyle | fuck xchat |
| 03:14.45 | abrotman | dkr: you could just look before you hit enter? :) |
| 03:14.52 | Nyle | irssi has the best nickcompletion |
| 03:14.55 | dkr | abrotman: heh |
| 03:15.09 | Nyle | by far, very intelligent, based on several conditions, like pmsg, public msg, action, etc. etc. |
| 03:15.16 | Nyle | and its highly configurable, unlike xchat |
| 03:15.17 | dkr | Nyle: grow up, please |
| 03:15.40 | Nyle | dkr: because I chose to express my opinions in a way that YOU find childish/ |
| 03:15.48 | Nyle | dkr: doesn't mean I'm not grown up. |
| 03:16.01 | Nyle | I'm just a foulmouth |
| 03:16.21 | auto359 | kool, another internet pissing competition ... just what we need |
| 03:16.36 | abrotman | you could all just stop |
| 03:16.46 | Nyle | auto359: well, shit like this will happen when people try to play dr. phil. |
| 03:17.03 | dkr | you have also filled my whole scrollback buffer with a lot of nonsense trying to provoke people. let's keep the topic to debian |
| 03:17.09 | auto359 | abrotman: point taken, i defer to your wisdom |
| 03:17.13 | Nyle | dkr: /ignore Nyle and stfu. |
| 03:17.21 | wols | auto359: you have low standards |
| 03:18.44 | auto359 | indeed, makes life a whole heap funnerer |
| 03:18.59 | dkr | Nyle: you can't prevent criticism of bad behavior by telling people to shut up; only by modifying your behavior. |
| 03:19.13 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: Here is a puzzle you may enjoy... mplayer has no issues playing a file when called from konsole, yet when asked to preform in gui I get a fatal error, no video but I do get sound.. Error say can't open/Initialize the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
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| 03:19.34 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: i don't use mplayer |
| 03:19.38 | abrotman | or kde |
| 03:19.40 | abrotman | ask Nyle |
| 03:19.49 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle: ^^ |
| 03:19.51 | abrotman | i think he uses both |
| 03:20.00 | Nyle | dkr: I am not responsible for your perception of my behaviour. If I felt that my behaviour was childish or immature, rude or obnoxious, I'd take measures to change it. I am not how you may percieve me on IRC. I have beef with you, and never have. Plese I impolre you, stop fucking with me. |
| 03:20.21 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: you need to simply start gmplayer binary |
| 03:20.26 | Nyle | and right click anywhere |
| 03:20.34 | Nyle | go into pref. and set the video output in video tab to x11 |
| 03:20.37 | Nyle | or xv |
| 03:20.43 | Nyle | try diff ones until one works and stick with it |
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| 03:21.07 | Nyle | or you can easily just modify ~/.mplayer/config and add vo=xv line in there |
| 03:21.10 | Nyle | iirc. |
| 03:21.23 | Nyle | or whichever video output that works |
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| 03:21.50 | Nyle | dkr: s/I have beef/I have never had beef* |
| 03:21.57 | Gun_Smoke | See now because I most likely remember that in the morning..... It's logged.. Who said that was crap? |
| 03:22.04 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:22.08 | Gun_Smoke | wont* |
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| 03:22.15 | dkr | yeah, calling people assholes is not rude at all. lol. these types of trolls are the worst, they keep pushing and pushing and pushing |
| 03:22.27 | Bushmills | Gun_Smoke: why not use a -vo which works then? |
| 03:22.31 | Gun_Smoke | dkr: To me? |
| 03:22.32 | itrebal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.42 | Nyle | dkr: call me whatever you want brother, just feel better. please :) |
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| 03:22.50 | wols | !tell itrebal about security |
| 03:22.58 | abrotman | itrebal: yes |
| 03:23.04 | itrebal | thanks |
| 03:23.10 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 03:23.10 | dpkg | well, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
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| 03:23.53 | Gun_Smoke | Bushmills: Well that's all new to me.. Last install of etch everything just worked.. This install started from minimal and I worked up to it.. No idea where I went wrong. |
| 03:24.12 | Nyle | Bushmills: though it is strange that mplayer packages in debian are not defaulting to a vo that works generally on all display configurations |
| 03:24.42 | Nyle | Bushmills: for example something like x11, which can be enhance with -zoom if one wishes, or xv which is well... you know what I mean |
| 03:24.53 | Bushmills | -vo xv if it works. -vo sdl is ok. if nothing work, use -vo x11 |
| 03:25.07 | Nyle | Bushmills: exactly, x11 is something that usually always works |
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| 03:25.14 | dkr | maybe xchat isn't so great. I ignored Nyle a while ago and it didn't work. :) shouldn't Nyle!*@* be the correct mask? (that's what it shows in ignore list) |
| 03:25.40 | Bushmills | Nyle: can't, too dependent on video hardware |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | dkr: you probably want *!stoned@* ? |
| 03:25.55 | Nyle | dkr: when you are done trying to advertise that you're ignoring me and/or have something actually mindful to discuss, let me know. I'm not how you percieve me. |
| 03:26.00 | Nyle | dkr: take care buddy. |
| 03:26.19 | Nyle | Bushmills: really.. how so? |
| 03:26.55 | Nyle | Bushmills: ime on intel/ati/nvidia (the only display chipsets I've worked with) have all worked on a default install with x11 |
| 03:27.11 | Nyle | Bushmills: of course which leads me to believe that x11 would 'usually' work all the time |
| 03:27.14 | Bushmills | -vo xv doesn't work on all cards. sdl is sometimes full screen only. x11 has much higher overhead, especially with resized pics |
| 03:27.32 | Nyle | Bushmills: but x11 doesn't resize unless -zoom is specified, and is not on by default |
| 03:27.48 | Nyle | and yes you are right, the -zoom function takes insane amounts of cpu on x11 output |
| 03:27.50 | Bushmills | nyle, press f |
| 03:27.56 | Nyle | Bushmills: I am aware :) |
| 03:28.06 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: I wish I had a puzzle for you... But everything seem to be running like a top, or at least until I understand how to read all logs, which if you remember was from yesterday.. Everything else I might have questions about would be set up stuff. |
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| 03:28.51 | abrotman | uh |
| 03:28.57 | Nyle | oh gawd. |
| 03:29.36 | Gun_Smoke | I'm still thinking.. I know I've ran into something somewhere down the line. |
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| 03:30.08 | Nyle | BEERFEST! |
| 03:30.15 | Nyle | later guys :) |
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| 03:31.27 | Nyle | hmm |
| 03:31.38 | Gun_Smoke | skipping dvd? |
| 03:31.40 | Gun_Smoke | lol |
| 03:31.41 | Nyle | xorg 7.2 on debian/lenny |
| 03:31.56 | Nyle | creates a zombie upon alt+ctrl+backspace |
| 03:32.07 | Nyle | xserver never shuts off |
| 03:32.15 | Nyle | oh boy, time for a bugreport |
| 03:32.20 | Nyle | :( |
| 03:32.35 | DynV | Would someone please test Ekiga with me ? I speak both English and French fluently, send me a private message. |
| 03:32.49 | Nyle | DynV: I would love to, I'm bored |
| 03:32.56 | Nyle | DynV: what is ekiga, do I have to sign up? |
| 03:33.05 | abrotman | DynV: maybe try #ekiga on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:33.22 | SexyKen | Okay guys -- odd problem I have here. When I start my server with a nfs entry in /etc/fstab - the server will boot fine, but wont respond to any commands. If I turn off netfs and reboot, the server works fine, but doesn't mount the nfs entry. If I comment out the nfs entry, and let nfs start, it works fine, but obviously doesn't mount the entry. But if I start the server with netfs turned off, and start the service after - it all works |
| 03:33.23 | DynV | Nyle: its's free and very cool voice chat program |
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| 03:33.25 | Nyle | oh gnome app, /em pukes ;) |
| 03:33.26 | DynV | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:33.28 | SexyKen | Any ideas? |
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| 03:33.44 | Nyle | DynV: VOIP? |
| 03:33.59 | DynV | Nyle: yes through an open protocol |
| 03:34.03 | Nyle | i see |
| 03:34.35 | Nyle | netfs? |
| 03:34.43 | DynV | SIP |
| 03:34.50 | Nyle | I have never hearf of that, but nfs is a piece of cake |
| 03:35.04 | Nyle | SexyKen: you havhe portmap installed? |
| 03:35.07 | \amethyst | Nyle: SIP is a VOIP protocol |
| 03:35.17 | Nyle | \amethyst: oh that is what SIP is? |
| 03:35.21 | Nyle | I had no idea |
| 03:35.53 | SexyKen | Myne: I do have portmap installed, yes. |
| 03:35.59 | SexyKen | *Nyle - sorry about that :-\ |
| 03:36.01 | Bushmills | DynV: a thought to take home: analog phione <-> voip adapters are relatively cheap, and have the advantage that you can connect a normal telephone (also a cordless) to them. they plug into your switch, and work even when your computer is turned off. |
| 03:36.09 | Nyle | I'v enever read/looked into VOIP much. I should because it seems it is the current chat trend. I use skype and pay 14c a minute to talk to my family in pakistan, and I pay nothing to talk to my girl over skype |
| 03:36.19 | SexyKen | I believe netfs is nfs ... |
| 03:36.22 | Bushmills | DynV: and support SIP too |
| 03:36.24 | Nyle | SexyKen: what does your fstab mount entry looks like? |
| 03:36.39 | Nyle | SexyKen: does it not mount the nfs entry or does it hang? |
| 03:36.50 | Nyle | SexyKen: are you mounting nfs with the type 'nfs' |
| 03:36.51 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:36.52 | DynV | Bushmills: don't you need to have a digital line to use them ? |
| 03:36.54 | SexyKen | Well I'm not sure - since I cannot access the server... |
| 03:36.58 | SexyKen | Let me show you the entry |
| 03:36.58 | Nyle | I've never heard of netfs |
| 03:37.00 | Nyle | ever |
| 03:37.06 | Bushmills | DynV: "digital line"? you need internet. |
| 03:37.12 | Nyle | SexyKen: please do |
| 03:37.23 | Bushmills | DynV: you mean, DSL? |
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| 03:37.34 | Gun_Smoke | Most of my guys when we lived overseas had vonage so they could set up a home town local phone number. That way family could call them for free. |
| 03:37.37 | Nyle | I wonder |
| 03:37.47 | Nyle | if you guys can confirm it I can figure out how |
| 03:37.54 | SexyKen | Here you go nyle: 192.168.1.55:/exports/filer/web_01/hsphere /hsphere nfs defaults,nfsvers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768 0 0 |
| 03:38.01 | Bushmills | vonage = not good. provider lock |
| 03:38.18 | Bushmills | you want an adapter which is free to use with any |
| 03:38.24 | SexyKen | If I do mount -a (once the server boots without netfs enabled) the mount gets mounted fine. |
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| 03:38.27 | DynV | Bushmills: I dunno but I read on analog phone "do not plug in digital line, they will bust this phone blah blah blah" |
| 03:38.31 | Gun_Smoke | Bushmills: Any what? |
| 03:38.32 | Nyle | but is it possible to call anywhere in the world for absolutely free (no money involved apart from a network conenction). I mean using my pc, to call any phone in the world over VOIP for free? any kind of workaround against voip providers? |
| 03:38.51 | Nyle | or is it the switching control from ip to telephone trunk that costs money |
| 03:38.52 | auto359 | abrotman: for info, reloaded server, mysql, libapache2-mod-php5, php5-gd, php5-mysql ... works good |
| 03:38.58 | abrotman | auto359: see! |
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| 03:39.14 | \amethyst | Nyle: connecting to POTS (the telephone network) is the part that costs |
| 03:39.15 | auto359 | Nyle: usually the switching entity is the financial cost |
| 03:39.21 | Bushmills | with any service. including lower cost to phone net calls |
| 03:39.25 | Nyle | I figured as much |
| 03:39.31 | wols | Nyle: sometimes there are ways to call for free, but it's far from available anywhere or working all the time |
| 03:39.35 | SexyKen | See anything funky about that entry Nyle? |
| 03:39.38 | Nyle | :( |
| 03:39.44 | \amethyst | Nyle: however, some ISPs are talking about (or already are) blocking/throttling VOIP traffic so as to sell their own service |
| 03:39.56 | wols | and e.g. calling a GSM phone is never free that I know of |
| 03:39.57 | Bushmills | most adapter allow you to connect to several providers at the same time |
| 03:40.02 | Nyle | well |
| 03:40.09 | Nyle | I didn't mean 900 sex lines ;) |
| 03:40.19 | Nyle | I meant just a regular ol phone call to a buddy in a diff country |
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| 03:40.24 | Nyle | I should not have say 'any' phone |
| 03:40.27 | Nyle | sorry |
| 03:40.41 | wols | Nyle: usually not free if said buddy uses POTS |
| 03:40.44 | \amethyst | Nyle: if they have a VOIP client and (fast enough) internet access, then it's free |
| 03:40.53 | Nyle | wols: hmm |
| 03:41.17 | Gun_Smoke | Bushmills: When it was possible to have a local Michigan USA number when living in Japan, for less than $30 a month so family could call you for free no one was complaining.. Even calls home were dirt cheap. |
| 03:41.34 | Nyle | \amethyst: ahh so basically you can have a software OR hardware voip client? and if two parties have it both, POTS is never used, so there is no charge? |
| 03:41.38 | Bushmills | Gun_Smoke: very likely available, for free |
| 03:41.39 | Nyle | do I understand this yet or not? |
| 03:41.48 | wols | Nyle: yes |
| 03:41.54 | Gun_Smoke | Bushmills: I'd love to learn how. |
| 03:41.56 | Nyle | ahh ok |
| 03:41.58 | Nyle | cool |
| 03:42.05 | Nyle | thanks fellers |
| 03:42.14 | Bushmills | Gun_Smoke: free numbers? check out ipkall or grandcentral |
| 03:42.21 | wols | mainly skype is used in this scenario |
| 03:42.28 | wols | it is what people actually know |
| 03:42.29 | Bushmills | that's usa numbers |
| 03:42.35 | Nyle | yes my gf has it and I do too, and we talk all the time |
| 03:42.37 | Bushmills | other countries, other services |
| 03:42.40 | Gun_Smoke | wols: from ip to ip but not land line to ip |
| 03:42.48 | Gun_Smoke | or back |
| 03:42.54 | SexyKen | Nyle: So you have no ideas here? |
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| 03:43.12 | Nyle | SexyKen: oh sorry I forgot about you, I apologize. Please give me a minute to scroll u |
| 03:43.15 | Nyle | up |
| 03:43.23 | SexyKen | No problem hehe -- Thans a mil, I appreciate it |
| 03:44.22 | Nyle | I am not familiar with the last 3 mount options you specified |
| 03:44.37 | SexyKen | I was following a guide - do you think they're bad? |
| 03:44.53 | Nyle | and I am also not aware of the difference between nfs v3/v4 |
| 03:45.10 | Nyle | SexyKen: but if you are on debian, whichever releae, simply don't specify that afaik |
| 03:45.28 | SexyKen | See - I get confused because mount -a will mount it fine |
| 03:45.36 | SexyKen | But if I have netfs enabled on boot, it breaks. |
| 03:45.46 | Nyle | that might be a bit beyond my skill |
| 03:45.52 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: aptitude or apt-get? |
| 03:45.58 | Nyle | let me lookup what netfs is |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 03:46.06 | Nyle | eh, what the heck |
| 03:46.08 | Nyle | !netfs |
| 03:46.14 | Nyle | it was worth a shot |
| 03:46.18 | SexyKen | hehe |
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| 03:47.50 | Nyle | dpkg netfs is is a file system interface to the networking componets of an OS. It's platfrom independent and tries to unify exisiting APIs for easier network configuration. The main idea is to unifiy all the exisitng network control and configuration utilities under a unified API which is well-known to the user and already tested. http://www.isi.edu/netfs/ |
| 03:47.50 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 03:48.20 | \amethyst | that's a BSD thing |
| 03:48.24 | Nyle | SexyKen: I need some time with this, seems interesting... try again in a while if no one else can help you or try elsewhere |
| 03:48.37 | Nyle | \amethyst: specific to BSD? |
| 03:48.39 | abrotman | Nyle: fix the typos |
| 03:49.14 | Nyle | \amethyst: I gather any os in general, hehe, I wonder if it works on windows! |
| 03:49.14 | \amethyst | Nyle: at least that's what their 'status' page implies |
| 03:49.18 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: my last and final (hopefully) reinstall was to move over to only ever using aptitude. So far I seem to like it. I have read some about the mechanics behind it. Could you explain why one might be better than another? One maybe better than the other in certain scenarios? |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 03:49.33 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 03:49.41 | SexyKen | Hrm - it actually doesn't seem to start the server at all? |
| 03:49.51 | SexyKen | I mean - /etc/fstab entry doesn't come into effect |
| 03:50.05 | SexyKen | Maybe I entered it wrong? |
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| 03:50.47 | Gun_Smoke | right. |
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| 03:52.24 | Nyle | \amethyst: I guess they dont' have any linux people.. my guess is that if they use bsd to develop this on more than likely they are bsd nuts and don't give a rats patoot about linux |
| 03:53.55 | Nyle | reading the manpage of netfs now |
| 03:54.09 | Nyle | http://www.isi.edu/netfs/netfs_man.ps |
| 03:54.29 | Nyle | (seems trite, but maybe thats just me) |
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| 03:56.22 | Nyle | eh.. seems 'kinda' useful for somethings |
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| 03:56.43 | Nyle | SexyKen: I am guessing that you don't run this server, yes? |
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| 03:57.46 | SexyKen | Well - I do -- but it's a new install...and I didn't wanna have to say this...but it's not Debian. |
| 03:58.02 | SexyKen | But that's only becuase the product which we use it for, doesn't support Debian. |
| 03:58.15 | SexyKen | The CentOS people are as useless as CentOS is ;-) |
| 03:58.17 | abrotman | but you're asking here because .. you can't read ? |
| 03:58.26 | Nyle | that is fine, I think we support connectivity to another os FROM debian |
| 03:58.39 | Nyle | that is a valid need, however we cannot help you troubleshoot your server config |
| 03:58.54 | Nyle | that we can't do, so sorry man, but you're sol in here as much as I can tell ;) |
| 03:59.00 | Nyle | but maybe not! hang in there |
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| 03:59.06 | SexyKen | Hrm. |
| 03:59.20 | SexyKen | I use Debian for everything that I'm able to. |
| 03:59.35 | Nyle | yes, but your client is debian, and maybe it doesn't have the problem |
| 03:59.45 | Nyle | maybe its the nondeb server that not configured right |
| 03:59.49 | SexyKen | Ahhh |
| 03:59.54 | Nyle | see what I mean? |
| 03:59.56 | SexyKen | Si. |
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| 04:01.18 | Nyle | man I feel like smoking a cig today |
| 04:01.22 | damion | is there a command i can use that will tell me what driver my gpu is using? |
| 04:01.29 | Nyle | I quit a long time ago |
| 04:01.39 | SexyKen | Congrats for quitting. |
| 04:01.44 | SexyKen | I'm going to have a smoke in about 3 minutes |
| 04:01.48 | SexyKen | After finishing my pizza |
| 04:01.49 | SexyKen | :-)_ |
| 04:01.56 | \amethyst | damion: perhaps xdriinfo |
| 04:02.07 | Nyle | damion: yes, paste the output of lspci -n to here in the hcl |
| 04:02.08 | Nyle | !hcl |
| 04:02.09 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 04:02.19 | Nyle | the kmuto link |
| 04:02.43 | Nyle | damion: oh you mean what you're currently using? just grep xorg.conf for driver |
| 04:02.50 | Nyle | damion: look in the device section |
| 04:03.56 | damion | grep xorg.conf didnt do anything |
| 04:04.02 | damion | do i need to be root? |
| 04:04.03 | Nyle | damion: oh boy |
| 04:04.06 | Nyle | no |
| 04:04.32 | Nyle | $>grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 04:04.39 | Nyle | minus the prompt ;) |
| 04:05.23 | damion | ah it says "nvidia" |
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| 04:06.31 | Nyle | I have a 7600GS AGP GeForce!!! |
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| 04:06.36 | Nyle | it kicks ass |
| 04:06.45 | trainignday1 | what does it mean when somebody says 11 or 9-1-1 to a brown guy? and do you know wht EI means? |
| 04:06.58 | abrotman | trainignday1: wrong channel |
| 04:07.03 | Nyle | trainignday1: go away. |
| 04:07.21 | trainignday1 | why? |
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| 04:07.29 | trainignday1 | i have 8500 gt |
| 04:07.30 | abrotman | because this is a support channel for Debian |
| 04:07.32 | trainignday1 | nyle what do you do with you card? |
| 04:07.41 | Nyle | I make a hole in it |
| 04:07.43 | Nyle | then i stick my cock in |
| 04:07.48 | Nyle | wtf do you think I do with my video card? |
| 04:08.02 | Nyle | welcome to /ignore |
| 04:08.04 | SexyKen | lol |
| 04:08.05 | \amethyst | protein folding? |
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| 04:08.19 | trainignday1 | what have got to lose if you die/became disabled tomorrow suddenly or today and in next day or whenever? |
| 04:08.39 | abrotman | trainignday1: please go away |
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| 04:08.50 | trainignday1 | Nyle seriously what do you do with it |
| 04:08.53 | SexyKen | well you'll lose your video car, I'd assume. |
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| 04:09.22 | Nyle | SexyKen: I like real cars as apposed to cars on videos ;) |
| 04:09.33 | Nyle | video car |
| 04:09.35 | Nyle | hehe ;) |
| 04:09.36 | SexyKen | trainingday, He's serious. He puts a hole in it...and then...you know...gets off. Sometimes he scratches his manhood with tiny little capacitors and resistors. |
| 04:09.45 | Nyle | omg |
| 04:09.50 | abrotman | SexyKen: stop |
| 04:09.52 | \amethyst | "a pleasure for the tips" |
| 04:10.22 | SexyKen | It's been said that my imagination can make things seem almost real at times. |
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| 04:10.48 | Nyle | keep your immagination out of #debian and in ##elsewhere |
| 04:10.50 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 04:11.17 | SexyKen | But ... you did say you put your ehem in it...so I felt it was kind of like a....'its okay' kinda thing ;-) |
| 04:11.29 | SexyKen | But -- My apologies if I took it SLIGHTLY too far. |
| 04:11.29 | abrotman | SexyKen: seriously .. knock it off |
| 04:11.54 | Nyle | my bad too |
| 04:12.01 | Nyle | shoudn't have said that. |
| 04:12.15 | SexyKen | You're a channel op, Nyle? |
| 04:12.23 | Nyle | hell no |
| 04:12.38 | Nyle | abrotman is now |
| 04:12.49 | SexyKen | Huh - I was just wondering why abrotman was targeting me ;-) Thought maybe you were an op. |
| 04:13.23 | Nyle | try !ops for a list of them... but that will hilight all of them, which will alarm them, and not be good, cuz you'll bother them with nothing. |
| 04:13.32 | trainignday1 | kick ban Nyle who does he think he is |
| 04:13.34 | Nyle | just wait until we have a need to do !ops and then see who all are ops |
| 04:13.38 | trainignday1 | he would banned else where |
| 04:13.53 | trainignday1 | would be |
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| 04:14.41 | sheepthief | what happened to adept? |
| 04:14.46 | Nyle | SexyKen: I just try to be a debian maintainer... that is responsibility and work enough to keep me from doing these babysititng chores on IRC |
| 04:14.48 | trainignday1 | ban nyle |
| 04:15.09 | Nyle | SexyKen: and localizing the installer too, very slowly! :( |
| 04:15.12 | abrotman | Nyle: then don't stay in here .. |
| 04:15.12 | trainignday1 | emergency !ops Nyle |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | sheepthief: http://packages.debian.org/adept |
| 04:15.22 | trainignday1 | !ops Nyle |
| 04:15.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: trainignday1 complains about: Nyle |
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| 04:15.34 | hdevalence | I've been recently tring out some of the 'harder' linux distros in order to learn more about how the system works. What's the best place to go to rtfm? Is there something like gentoo.org/doc/en but for debian, or, better yet, for Linux/Unix in general ? |
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| 04:15.46 | abrotman | whoops |
| 04:15.51 | troubled | lol |
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| 04:16.22 | troubled | abrotman: some advice? |
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| 04:16.46 | abrotman | troubled: what? |
| 04:16.55 | Nyle | abrotman: you misunderstand me. You're welcome to have the OP responsibility. I'm only saying that I have enough to keep me busy |
| 04:16.58 | troubled | abrotman: CPE*-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com is a life time address for rogers |
| 04:17.00 | netdaemon | hm |
| 04:17.05 | netdaemon | wierd |
| 04:17.08 | abrotman | Nyle: then dont' comment .. just be quiet and do your work :) |
| 04:17.19 | netdaemon | was in unstable last i looked at least, much have been something really bad to take it out |
| 04:17.25 | SexyKen | In fstab - are you supposed to put tabs or spaces between shit? |
| 04:17.47 | abrotman | troubled: eh .. i don't think he'll be back |
| 04:17.47 | peterS | SexyKen: doesn't matter |
| 04:17.57 | SexyKen | then wtf is my shit broken |
| 04:17.57 | troubled | abrotman: i have 6 or 7 klines for that guy. he just changes his nic mac, gets a new ip and comes back over and over. but with rogers, the CPE part changes only. the CM never changes with them |
| 04:18.02 | mentor | SexyKen: Shit should not be present in /etc/fstab |
| 04:18.10 | peterS | SexyKen: 'man fstab' |
| 04:18.17 | abrotman | what .. you all just show up at once?! |
| 04:18.23 | troubled | abrotman: i swear he was kicked here the last few days. trust me, he doesnt quit :) |
| 04:18.24 | Nyle | abrotman: its nice to see that time apart has cooled things down a lot |
| 04:18.31 | mentor | That's what the bat signal is for |
| 04:18.31 | abrotman | SexyKen: you're using CentOS perhaps ? |
| 04:18.34 | Nyle | peterS: ! |
| 04:18.40 | Nyle | my main man dude homie bro, long time no see |
| 04:18.45 | peterS | abrotman: we're watching you work (: |
| 04:18.48 | abrotman | troubled: he's been in #-ot for a few days .. |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | peterS: you're creeping me out! |
| 04:18.59 | peterS | abrotman: you should ban Nyle. stoned asked me to do it awhile back |
| 04:19.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:19.04 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:19.07 | troubled | abrotman: anyways, just trying to help avoid a full rogers ban cause of that one network known troll |
| 04:19.19 | troubled | peterS: :) |
| 04:19.26 | troubled | Nyle: heyas |
| 04:19.27 | mentor | abrotman: I'm sitting here slowly exposing fatal bugs in each piece of the toolchain that I need to fix the previous one |
| 04:19.31 | Nyle | troubled: hi buddy |
| 04:19.42 | abrotman | mentor: this seems like a fruitless endeavor .. |
| 04:19.54 | Nyle | mentor: oh boy |
| 04:19.59 | mentor | abrotman: There is a root of the cahin |
| 04:20.04 | mentor | THERE IS. |
| 04:20.04 | DynV | Bushmills: I dunno but I read on analog phone "do not plug in digital line, they will bust this phone blah blah blah" |
| 04:20.11 | DynV | Bushmills: sorry |
| 04:20.15 | DynV | Would someone please test Ekiga with me ? I speak both English and French fluently, send me a private message. |
| 04:20.18 | abrotman | mentor: you'll have to talk to Linus :) |
| 04:20.29 | \amethyst | RMS more likely :) |
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| 04:20.45 | abrotman | DynV: i told you where to go |
| 04:20.46 | peterS | toolchain, more like talk to pinskia and them |
| 04:21.06 | DynV | abrotman: there'S 20 person there an noone will |
| 04:21.09 | mentor | abrotman: No, it'll be worse than that; it'll be in glibc |
| 04:21.11 | mentor | bound to be |
| 04:21.11 | abrotman | DynV: they might be sleeping |
| 04:21.13 | Bushmills | DynV: you wouln't plu the analog phone into digital line. |
| 04:21.24 | abrotman | mentor: or gcc ? |
| 04:21.26 | mentor | \amethyst: I DO NOT USE emacs |
| 04:21.32 | mentor | abrotman: No, we've already got that far |
| 04:21.35 | abrotman | eww |
| 04:21.40 | Bushmills | DynV: you'd plug analog phone into analog<->digital adpater |
| 04:21.48 | \amethyst | mentor: I was thinking the compiler, though I guess he doesn't work on that much anymore |
| 04:21.56 | simonrvn | mentor: you know you've wandered into a bog |
| 04:22.05 | DynV | Bushmills: cool |
| 04:22.09 | Nyle | peterS: do the lol guy sometime |
| 04:22.11 | abrotman | To the left you see a field with a pack of dogs |
| 04:22.18 | mentor | simonrvn: Go west? |
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| 04:22.19 | abrotman | Straight ahead more bog |
| 04:22.20 | Nyle | simonrvn: HI! |
| 04:22.29 | peterS | Nyle: I usually don't even remember to do it |
| 04:22.36 | simonrvn | mentor: hehe, if only :) |
| 04:22.41 | simonrvn | Nyle: hello |
| 04:22.47 | Nyle | peterS: which is why I remind you |
| 04:22.49 | Nyle | ehe |
| 04:22.53 | Bushmills | DynV: such a box, for example: http://photo.forthfreak.net/hardware/00002.jpg |
| 04:23.01 | peterS | there isn't an ehe guy, you know |
| 04:23.13 | \amethyst | mentor: The dogs eat you. Would you like to RESTART, LOAD a saved game, or QUIT ? |
| 04:23.14 | Nyle | hehe ehe heh |
| 04:23.15 | Nyle | :D |
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| 04:23.59 | Nyle | so...this may seem like a dumb question, or very noobish |
| 04:24.21 | Nyle | but... if I understand this correctly, the amd64 port of debian is completely optimized for amd64, and the software is all 64bit? |
| 04:24.29 | Nyle | or is it just compiled to work UNDER amd64 arch? |
| 04:24.39 | \amethyst | almost all of the software is 64-bit |
| 04:24.42 | simonrvn | um |
| 04:24.42 | peterS | Nyle: if by "completely optimized" you mean "as optimized as any other Debian port", yes, it is specifically 64-bit and all |
| 04:24.48 | \amethyst | there are packages like ia32-libs |
| 04:24.50 | mentor | \amethyst: LOAD |
| 04:24.52 | Nyle | wow |
| 04:24.58 | Nyle | thas fucking awesome |
| 04:25.11 | Nyle | you mean like everything I find in the amd64 repositories is pure 64bit software? |
| 04:25.22 | peterS | yeah, except the 32-bit compatibility libraries |
| 04:25.23 | \amethyst | unless it has '32' in the name, yes |
| 04:25.24 | Nyle | all the apps and everything I use on my amd64 bot? |
| 04:25.27 | mentor | Nyle: Er, it is compiled for AMD64 AKA EM-64T AKA x86-64 |
| 04:25.28 | Nyle | nice |
| 04:25.30 | peterS | that only exist in order to run your non-free flash plugin and crap |
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| 04:25.47 | mentor | Nyle: It is generally faster than the same software compiled for 32-bit because there are more general registers. |
| 04:25.57 | Nyle | I was using windows xp x64 pro, and it has a wow32 interface, and almost all the software one needs in a day to day life in windows desktop is 32bit still |
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| 04:26.00 | Nyle | so you know what |
| 04:26.05 | Nyle | debian kicks ass :) |
| 04:26.11 | peterS | heh |
| 04:26.15 | mentor | Nyle: However, for optimised software it may be slower as the addresses are bigger and therefore there is a larger cache footrpint |
| 04:26.33 | peterS | World of Windows 32? |
| 04:26.37 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 04:26.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 04:26.39 | Xenguy | Nyle: yes sir it does :-) |
| 04:26.48 | \amethyst | Nyle: note that "pure 64 bit" software still uses 32-bit integers for many purposes. It's generally the pointers that are bigger. |
| 04:26.54 | damion | what is the modifier i add to cp to copy the entire content of one dir to another? |
| 04:27.03 | abrotman | man cp |
| 04:27.04 | \amethyst | Nyle: but that's the case on most platforms |
| 04:27.23 | Nyle | \amethyst: yes I was going to get to that, since I don't think entire apps have been recoded to be usd specifically on 64bit os |
| 04:27.38 | \amethyst | Nyle: sometimes they do if they are written with 32-bit assumptions |
| 04:27.50 | \amethyst | Nyle: that's why you should never, for example, store a pointer in an int |
| 04:27.52 | Nyle | using 64bit math(memory address sapce, registers, pointers etc. |
| 04:28.01 | peterS | damion: -a is the simplest way |
| 04:28.13 | mentor | Arg. My friends play WoW. It is such Windows-ware |
| 04:28.23 | Nyle | \amethyst: I think 64 bit coding is going to redefine programing again |
| 04:28.31 | damion | ah, i did cp -r |
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| 04:28.34 | mentor | Kiddie fodder extraordinaire |
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| 04:28.44 | mentor | Nyle: uh huh |
| 04:28.45 | Nyle | \amethyst: in the general view as in |
| 04:28.46 | damion | and it copied the whole dir, not just the contents |
| 04:28.53 | Nyle | mentor: ? |
| 04:29.05 | peterS | damion: right, -a is like -r but with more stuff, like preserving your old timestamps on the new copy |
| 04:29.06 | \amethyst | Nyle: it's mostly an incremental improvement, really. massive multiprocessing is what is going to redefine programming :) |
| 04:29.06 | Nyle | mentor: no wow == windows on windows 32bit |
| 04:29.06 | Bushmills | I doubt that 64bit will have a huge impact anytime soon |
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| 04:29.26 | Bushmills | except for some relatively specific applications |
| 04:29.28 | Nyle | mentor: wow32 is not world of shitcraft ;) |
| 04:29.29 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:29.41 | Nyle | but its pretty shitty itself |
| 04:29.43 | \amethyst | Bushmills: or once we have more than 64GB of memory :) |
| 04:29.55 | \amethyst | but that's some years off |
| 04:29.56 | Nyle | \amethyst: yes exactly |
| 04:29.57 | damion | i have to have root access to move the contents of the folder, if i use -a will the same rule apply to the new directory? |
| 04:29.57 | Nyle | n |
| 04:29.58 | peterS | are we winning the Windows on Terror yet? |
| 04:30.08 | mentor | Nyle: It was your redefining programming comment that I was referring to |
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| 04:30.33 | peterS | damion: why not try it |
| 04:30.35 | \amethyst | damion: yes, -a preserves all ownership and permissions |
| 04:30.39 | Bushmills | \amethyst: I mean it is not like 16->32bit |
| 04:30.57 | Bushmills | at that time there was a real need for larger address ranges |
| 04:30.59 | Nyle | \amethyst: the first time I ever heard of multiprocessor cores was in a sci fi movie, where a breed of dinosours had survived and evolved into humanoids, who keep themselves hidden with light projection on thier body using multicore processors and other technology |
| 04:31.00 | peterS | \amethyst: only if the OS allows you to "give away" a file to another user, if you aren't root |
| 04:31.04 | Nyle | \amethyst: badass movie |
| 04:31.13 | Nyle | mentor: well I meant that in a sarcastic way |
| 04:31.20 | \amethyst | peterS: oh, true, I shouldn't have assumed he was root |
| 04:31.26 | Nyle | mentor: I don't know how to convery sarcasm in irc |
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| 04:31.32 | Nyle | </sarcasm> ? |
| 04:31.38 | mentor | Nyle: Oh right. Sorry, my sarcasm detector wasn't on |
| 04:31.39 | peterS | \amethyst: some unix kernels allow this, some don't. IIRC, linux doesn't. |
| 04:31.53 | Nyle | mentor: dude chill. |
| 04:31.57 | \amethyst | Nyle: do you remember the name? |
| 04:32.03 | \amethyst | Nyle: of the movie, that is |
| 04:32.10 | Nyle | \amethyst: not really, but i'll try to |
| 04:32.14 | mentor | Nyle: Nono, it's alright. It's all working now |
| 04:32.15 | Nyle | it was a good movie |
| 04:32.16 | DocPlatypus | and the reason is that it's a security hole with regard to things like quotas |
| 04:32.25 | peterS | quite so |
| 04:32.27 | Nyle | mentor: heh :) you da man |
| 04:32.31 | peterS | also annoying that you can do something to your files that you then can't undo |
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| 04:32.52 | mentor | peterS: I hate it when I delete the wrong files |
| 04:33.10 | \amethyst | peterS: you definitely shouldn't allow it if there are quotas, anyway |
| 04:33.23 | Nyle | journeled fs? |
| 04:33.42 | Nyle | i like undelete |
| 04:33.43 | \amethyst | oh |
| 04:33.43 | \amethyst | doh |
| 04:33.45 | peterS | mentor: way back in 1994 I was playing around with a netware share and I revoked enough flags that I locked myself out of some of my files. it was embarrassing and it also gave me a distrust for OSes that let you do that sort of thing |
| 04:33.57 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: sorry to repeat you, I'm oblivious :) |
| 04:34.00 | Nyle | mostly because I like to smoke pot and when I'm high I usually delete things I want back later like music and other stuff |
| 04:34.21 | peterS | Nyle: sounds like you need nightly backups |
| 04:34.32 | Nyle | incremental, yes sir. |
| 04:34.33 | peterS | which you'd administer when you aren't high |
| 04:34.36 | Nyle | every night :) |
| 04:34.48 | mentor | peterS: Once in a Blue Moon, when I am on a Windows machine and manually fighting a trojan, I can only remove it by revoking all permissions on a file, and then trying to kill processes. |
| 04:35.09 | peterS | mentor: I'm soooo glad I'm out of the world where I actually have to care about removing windows trojans (: |
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| 04:35.22 | Nyle | peterS: its a good living man |
| 04:35.30 | mentor | peterS: Sometimes it's fun, if it doens't matter |
| 04:35.34 | Nyle | if there were no spyware, lots of people would go hungry |
| 04:35.35 | peterS | oh, perhaps |
| 04:35.38 | \amethyst | Nyle: rm () { if grep -q THC /dev/bloodstream; then echo "Bad Nyle."; else command rm "$@"; fi; } |
| 04:35.44 | Heavy-D | Aye, my computing "blood pressure" went down about 5 points after ridding windows from my life, except at work :@ |
| 04:35.47 | Nyle | like people who remove spyware from people and fix pcs |
| 04:35.53 | Nyle | \amethyst: hehe |
| 04:35.57 | peterS | Nyle: kinda like if there were no crime, all the policemen would have to get other jobs? |
| 04:36.04 | Nyle | peterS: exactly |
| 04:36.10 | Nyle | its a fucked up system |
| 04:36.16 | Nyle | but thats the way its working right now |
| 04:36.36 | peterS | "I'm not breaking into the liquor store, I'm helping the employment numbers for the economy" |
| 04:36.37 | DocPlatypus | Heavy-D: at one point I hated GUIs. then I finally figured out it wasn't really GUIs I hated (most of the time) but Windows |
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| 04:36.47 | simonrvn | \amethyst: hehe |
| 04:36.52 | Heavy-D | DocPlatypus: hehe yeah. |
| 04:36.55 | Nyle | peterS: I think we stopped talking about the same thing a whiel ago |
| 04:37.01 | Bushmills | what text editors do you normally use? |
| 04:37.02 | Nyle | now I have no idea what you on about |
| 04:37.06 | mentor | I like GUIs! |
| 04:37.11 | Bushmills | (that's not a poll :) |
| 04:37.20 | Heavy-D | GUI with nix command line for the win |
| 04:37.20 | mentor | Sorry... I was just trying ot join in |
| 04:37.23 | peterS | Bushmills: xemacs when it's convenient, vi when it isn't |
| 04:37.26 | DocPlatypus | there are still tasks for which I prefer using the CLI and I often dislike being forced into using a GUI still |
| 04:37.28 | simonrvn | it's a pole |
| 04:37.30 | peterS | Bushmills: in other words I kinda swing both ways |
| 04:37.47 | Nyle | peterS: that... just didn't sound quite right ;) |
| 04:37.53 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 04:37.55 | simonrvn | peterS: that's what i do, except emacs and vim |
| 04:37.59 | peterS | it was intended to ... not sound quite right, Nyle |
| 04:38.09 | Nyle | peterS: oh carry on then |
| 04:38.30 | Bushmills | because I'm busy on a fork of one editor .. adding a bit more power to the macros ... wondered how "compatible" that thing is going to be. |
| 04:38.43 | Heavy-D | blech... even the Windows server channels are dead too. Debian channels are much more entertaining |
| 04:38.46 | Bushmills | but I suspect real vi users have no reason to use anything else |
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| 04:38.58 | Bushmills | probably true for real emacsers too |
| 04:38.58 | Nyle | oh yeah simonrvn guess what happened with my doomsday project |
| 04:39.07 | mentor | More information can be conveyed more understandably in a GUI |
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| 04:39.12 | simonrvn | Heavy-D: yeh, to the point that one of my irssi scripts makes my irssi lag |
| 04:39.16 | peterS | thanks to 'sudoedit', I routinely use xemacs to edit files as root. before I discovered sudoedit, I always used vi as root, as it just gives me a sense of foreboding to run emacs with elevated privileges |
| 04:39.24 | mentor | But then, the interface can be designed to be horrible to use anywya |
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| 04:39.29 | peterS | though I know this was a nice plot point in the Cuckoo's Egg |
| 04:39.35 | Heavy-D | simonrvn: rofl |
| 04:39.39 | troubled | simonrvn: which one would that be? :) |
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| 04:39.52 | mentor | It gives me a sense of foreboding to run emacs |
| 04:39.56 | simonrvn | troubled: i don't know yet, though it's less laggy now ;) |
| 04:40.01 | peterS | well, there's that too, but I got over that |
| 04:40.02 | troubled | ;) |
| 04:40.08 | bangers | is it possible to display a specific "welcome message" to a user when he sudo's a certain command? |
| 04:40.09 | mentor | Possibly it's just the startup time |
| 04:40.25 | peterS | the startup time is why I actually run gnuclient instead of plain xemacs |
| 04:40.27 | simonrvn | peterS: i have yet to figure out how to run that properly. i tried tramp, but it got in the way (too many .emacs crap things ;) |
| 04:40.27 | Nyle | I was trying to package the doomsday engine, and well... another upstream dev did a diff on the source compared to the source of Heretic/Hexen, contained 3 non GPL lisenced files. Now I'm trying to work with him on a fork of the doomsday engine, and trying to recode the needed 3 files from scratch |
| 04:40.39 | simonrvn | mentor: that's why i run it multi-tty |
| 04:40.43 | peterS | though I have to admit, vi starts up faster even than gnuclient if emacs manages to get partly swapped out |
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| 04:40.58 | Nyle | peterS: how much ram do you have? |
| 04:41.00 | simonrvn | Nyle: oh nice |
| 04:41.01 | Gun_Smoke | I was just "enlightened" on the "U's" root policy.... lol.. Never knew it existed. Not only is it not allowed, but telling someone it does is almost grounds for banning.. Who knew. |
| 04:41.18 | mentor | Well, it's called Eight Megabytes Always Continuously Swapping for a reason |
| 04:41.19 | peterS | simonrvn: eh? just 'sudoedit some_file' and it launches the file in an editor, then saves it as root using sudo |
| 04:41.24 | simonrvn | Gun_Smoke: wtf? |
| 04:41.25 | DocPlatypus | for some reason I'm partial to Vim now and I used to be an Emacs diehard |
| 04:41.40 | peterS | Nyle: 3/4 GB at home, 2 GB at work. the 3/4 GB sometimes swaps xemacs partway out |
| 04:41.40 | simonrvn | peterS: i must be thinking of some other thing then |
| 04:41.41 | Nyle | simonrvn: yeh.. man, finally one day we'll be able to get this great classic doom engine into debian and actually have it comply with policy |
| 04:42.03 | Nyle | peterS: 4gb here, amd64, no swap space |
| 04:42.03 | mentor | Gun_Smoke: uh? |
| 04:42.11 | Heavy-D | I only just started using vim recently honestly. I used Nano for the longest time |
| 04:42.21 | Nyle | I love nano |
| 04:42.22 | Nyle | and pico |
| 04:42.22 | mentor | *fwap* |
| 04:42.28 | simonrvn | Gun_Smoke: please ask before you /msg people |
| 04:42.35 | DocPlatypus | Gun_Smoke: context? |
| 04:42.36 | Nyle | c'mon man, nano kicks ass |
| 04:42.37 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:42.38 | damion | can somoene reccomend a program for assembeling rar and par files |
| 04:42.39 | troubled | Nyle: vim is worth the learning curve |
| 04:42.46 | Gun_Smoke | simonrvn: sorry for the std |
| 04:42.49 | troubled | Nyle: but nano is a close second fav for sure |
| 04:42.51 | damion | i use macpar on osx but need a linux version |
| 04:42.53 | simonrvn | Gun_Smoke: wow, that's crazy |
| 04:42.58 | Nyle | troubled: I've been told, though I can't tear myself away from nano |
| 04:43.10 | Gun_Smoke | pastebin anyone?? lol. |
| 04:43.19 | mentor | C-[ FTW |
| 04:43.20 | Nyle | troubled: though rest assured I do know how to use almost all the common editors in case that is all I have available at a job or contract |
| 04:43.21 | peterS | a coworker is a big joe fan so on some systems I find myself running sudoedit or something and EDITOR has been set up as joe by default. it disturbs me, I always want to look at the editor window and sing "where you goin with that gun in your hand?" |
| 04:43.24 | DocPlatypus | and yes /msg from out of the blue = bad |
| 04:43.24 | Nyle | troubled: hehe |
| 04:43.32 | mentor | Gun_Smoke: Have you got a Debian related question? |
| 04:43.34 | robboplus | hm how can i check if my system has more than one revision of openssl installed? |
| 04:43.42 | peterS | robboplus: dpkg -l libssl\* |
| 04:43.42 | robboplus | (that's what unrealircd suspects) |
| 04:43.49 | troubled | Nyle: just the ctrl-v or v alone for visual highlights and piping to a command like sort etc, gives some neat possibilities |
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| 04:43.51 | grendal_prime | im sorry but nano is the best light editor out there |
| 04:43.51 | robboplus | hello peterS and thank you! |
| 04:44.11 | simonrvn | damion: rar |
| 04:44.22 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: there are smaller but more powerful ones. albeit very arch-specific |
| 04:44.26 | Gun_Smoke | mentor: Yes, I did... Floated off to the dumb side for a minute.. Let me gain some thoughts. |
| 04:44.32 | robboplus | oh lol... unrealircd was damn right about that... now how do i sort this crap out rofl |
| 04:44.34 | Nyle | troubled: you know... |
| 04:44.35 | bangers | is it possible to display a specific "welcome message" to a user when he sudo's a certain command? |
| 04:45.05 | peterS | bangers: not that I know of, but try 'man sudoers' as the sudoers file has a lot of features I am not very familiar with |
| 04:45.05 | robboplus | never seen doubled openssl yet, why did it happen at all? |
| 04:45.05 | grendal_prime | vi people are people that had to pass some bizzaro write of passage with some werid cult..and because they have successfully memorized the werid keystrokes for vi the have the right to say..VI ROCKS |
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| 04:45.24 | aaa78 | hi |
| 04:45.25 | mentor | Actually vi's a bit shit |
| 04:45.33 | grendal_prime | EXACTLY |
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| 04:45.41 | mentor | You need to use at least nvi and preferably vim |
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| 04:45.44 | Nyle | hey troubled dude check this |
| 04:45.45 | aaa78 | Can someone tell me what Good is? And what Evil is? and their age and gender |
| 04:45.47 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/49129 |
| 04:45.49 | Nyle | fuck |
| 04:45.52 | simonrvn | i dislike vi, i like vim better. command mode is more predictable |
| 04:45.53 | robboplus | mentor pico forever :s |
| 04:45.53 | Nyle | troubled: http://paste.debian.net/49129 |
| 04:45.55 | aaa78 | Please, for psychology, make your answers as wakky as you want |
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| 04:46.07 | peterS | robboplus: it happens. if a program was built with a one openssl version, and another is built with a different version, and both are in debian packages, they will pull in both libraries. it isn't actually a _problem_, it's just there. |
| 04:46.14 | \amethyst | simonrvn: more predictable? what do you mean? |
| 04:46.14 | mentor | robboplus: Here, have a nickel. Buy yourself a better OS |
| 04:46.22 | Nyle | troubled: plus if you learn nano, it serves my needs |
| 04:46.26 | simonrvn | aaa78: what are the tribbles of yesterday, doodoos of chaos, they are? |
| 04:46.26 | mentor | consistent |
| 04:46.27 | grendal_prime | but if you spent the time to learn it..(VI) you do have the right to bash all others...its an unspoken understanding with linux geeks of long ago. |
| 04:46.32 | peterS | "learn nano"? how does one "learn nano"? |
| 04:46.33 | Nyle | though I do like the more powerful editors for other tasks troubled |
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| 04:46.36 | robboplus | aaa78 that stuff isn't meant to be discussed in the terms commonly used by humankind... it's just a different level |
| 04:46.39 | DocPlatypus | true fact: it took me about 4 years of monkeying with GNU variants and FreeBSD before learning vi. |
| 04:46.42 | peterS | I mean I thought all of nano was displayed for you on the bottom couple of lines |
| 04:46.50 | Nyle | peterS: not really |
| 04:46.54 | grendal_prime | peterS: exactly..you dont have to..its intuitive |
| 04:46.56 | Nyle | there is more than meets the eye |
| 04:46.58 | troubled | Nyle: not bad, although with vim i just do a ":syntax on" to get syntax hilighing. |
| 04:47.01 | simonrvn | \amethyst: mentor said it, "consistent" |
| 04:47.08 | DocPlatypus | what finally did it, was the fact that I had the impression OpenBSD only came with vi (turns out it has a sort of Emacs-alike editor mg) |
| 04:47.08 | mentor | Haha! |
| 04:47.11 | troubled | well, with vim-full, not standard vim |
| 04:47.13 | aaa78 | Can someone tell me what they feel good and evil are to you? Also include your age and gender. |
| 04:47.22 | aaa78 | please |
| 04:47.27 | Nyle | troubled: of course |
| 04:47.28 | peterS | Nyle: :syntax on is great when you are in the mood for some eye bleeding. I prefer for my eyes not to bleed so I always like to have it disabled |
| 04:47.28 | robboplus | mentor what's wrong with debian these days and why would i want to "buy myself a better os"? |
| 04:47.33 | Nyle | I just like nano |
| 04:47.37 | simonrvn | aaa78: go do your psych homework elsewhere |
| 04:47.42 | mentor | aaa78: Debian related questions only... |
| 04:47.42 | aaa78 | no |
| 04:47.45 | Nyle | I never even used nano until I started using debian |
| 04:47.46 | aaa78 | k. |
| 04:47.55 | aaa78 | WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE LIKE DEBIAN BUT PEOPLE DONT LIKE UBUNTU |
| 04:47.57 | Nyle | I just... liked it. simple, smart, elegant |
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| 04:48.07 | Nyle | aaa78: stop. |
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| 04:48.21 | \amethyst | still a psych homework question :) |
| 04:48.24 | simonrvn | aaa78: why is it people ask dumb questions sometimes? |
| 04:48.28 | simonrvn | bah :/ |
| 04:48.33 | robboplus | peterS i understood your explanation but i still wonder - why wouldn't the previous version be kicked out of the system? i have seen that many times before with other packages, is that a fault of some particular package that didn't clean up properly? |
| 04:48.34 | mentor | simonrvn: Sometimes they're too slow |
| 04:48.35 | troubled | Nyle: always used nano for quick stuff so I can hardly argue it. once you hit some code though, its hard to not like what vim has to offer i found |
| 04:48.39 | grendal_prime | evil = joining a channel on linux distro specific and asking psyc questions |
| 04:48.51 | mentor | simonrvn: ban. newbie. |
| 04:48.54 | Nyle | troubled: oh yeh this .nanorc I showed you is mostly only for viewing |
| 04:48.54 | mentor | pah |
| 04:48.55 | mentor | even |
| 04:48.59 | Nyle | I don't code in nano |
| 04:49.04 | DocPlatypus | peterS: I can't live without syntax highlighting myself. my eyes bleed when I have a ton of gray source code text and I'm trying to find a little thing in it somewhere |
| 04:49.04 | DocPlatypus | the kick is up... and it's good! |
| 04:49.08 | simonrvn | mentor: hehe |
| 04:49.14 | Nyle | Sir, I am no masochist |
| 04:49.15 | peterS | robboplus: two possible reasons. one, it was never marked as 'automatically installed', so the system doesn't actually know for a fact that you don't care about it. or two, some package actually still is using it |
| 04:49.22 | robboplus | mentor i haven't seen you as op in the last several years, are you a newbie? :) |
| 04:49.25 | robboplus | j/k |
| 04:49.40 | peterS | DocPlatypus: maybe vim has gotten better lately - C source used to use very ... bright ... colors |
| 04:49.43 | simonrvn | robboplus: you're not here often enough |
| 04:49.44 | robboplus | peterS hm.. |
| 04:49.44 | Nyle | don't hurt me |
| 04:49.52 | Nyle | but I like vistual studio |
| 04:49.57 | DocPlatypus | peterS: you can change the color scheme. I use elflord in terminal, darkblue in GUI |
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| 04:50.03 | robboplus | simonrvn yes... probably just not enough |
| 04:50.05 | peterS | DocPlatypus: though this is partly the fault of ANSI terminal colors that just don't offer all that many non-offensive choices |
| 04:50.07 | DocPlatypus | was trying slate for a while in GUI but it sucks |
| 04:50.11 | simonrvn | peterS: depends on the theme somewhat |
| 04:50.26 | DocPlatypus | peterS: I can barely stand to edit in terminal anymore |
| 04:50.33 | simonrvn | Nyle: you're not the only one... no i'm not saying who |
| 04:50.41 | mentor | robboplus: No, I only respond to the bat signal |
| 04:50.41 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:50.48 | Nyle | ok, so long as its not just me |
| 04:50.49 | robboplus | peterS but then, why would unrealircd hate such situation and tell me that it's a nono? |
| 04:50.53 | robboplus | mentor he he |
| 04:50.56 | Bolly | hey i have a lvm volume (VolGroup00) that i lost 1 of the disks of, the majority of my data is on /dev/hdb, is it possible to restore the partial data out of that volume group? |
| 04:50.57 | peterS | Nyle: dude, I actually had to use MSVS for a windows project a few years ago. I was very surprised at how pleasant it was in some ways. though I still hate its notion of half-auto-half-manual-half-right-half-wrong indenting |
| 04:50.59 | Nyle | cuz seriously, visual studio is elegant |
| 04:51.06 | troubled | Nyle: cant say that its bad. gui editors, especially coding specific ones, tend to be faster and easier to use than a text only editor like vim. at least until you learn a few dosen hotkeys and start flying :) |
| 04:51.07 | peterS | robboplus: I have no idea |
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| 04:51.33 | peterS | robboplus: it should only hate it if you manage to have multiple _development_ packages of openssl installed - so it wouldn't know which one to compile with. but I don't think that's even possible in debian |
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| 04:51.45 | robboplus | peterS i will just try and remove BOTH openssl revisions and then install the latest... hopefully that works and eventually something else will stop working |
| 04:51.58 | robboplus | peterS hm i do have diff dev packages installed too.. |
| 04:52.01 | peterS | robboplus: if you try to do 'dpkg --remove', it will tell you if stuff is still using what you're trying to remove |
| 04:52.13 | Nyle | I love smart code generation and smart auto-complete, saves time. I had to actually learn VS to do .NET for my last contract job |
| 04:52.21 | peterS | robboplus: as for the libssl -dev packages, the only one you want is 'libssl-dev' itself |
| 04:52.22 | Nyle | and man, wow! |
| 04:52.25 | robboplus | peterS or no, i don't have, they are marked as "un" |
| 04:52.33 | Nyle | thats all I can say, but yes, I still love to code in cli |
| 04:52.36 | simonrvn | peterS: though latest stable and old stable openssl are co-installable, but i've seen autofuck scripts always pick the latest version -dev |
| 04:52.39 | peterS | robboplus: ah, right. |
| 04:52.42 | robboplus | peterS thank you so much - that remove hint is really nice |
| 04:52.44 | Nyle | its just efficient for me |
| 04:53.16 | peterS | Nyle: for things that actually require code generation because there's so much boilerplate crap you will need, yes, you want a language-specific (or environment-specific) tool that can do that |
| 04:53.33 | peterS | be it Microsoft VS or GTK Glade |
| 04:53.36 | Nyle | water logging apps |
| 04:53.44 | Nyle | and trust me, I wanted to choke the fucking head developer |
| 04:53.47 | Nyle | what a moron. |
| 04:53.54 | Nyle | about it* |
| 04:53.57 | robboplus | peterS it just removed the older revision without any complaints... Removing libssl0.9.7 ... - so does it mean that nothing was using it? just orphaned lib |
| 04:54.00 | \amethyst | peterS: or yacc :) |
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| 04:54.20 | robboplus | Nyle rofl.. |
| 04:54.21 | peterS | robboplus: it means nothing that was inside a debian package is using it. if you have some self-compiled stuff on your system, you might have broken _that_, as the system doesn't track it |
| 04:54.42 | robboplus | peterS indeed i do.. you are a genius |
| 04:54.55 | Nyle | some of these assholes you'll deal with... which is why I chose to deliver pizza and smoke pot rather than get a decent paying coding job where I know i'll be miserable |
| 04:54.58 | peterS | \amethyst: I don't really count yacc - that's not generating boilerplate, that's using a language other than C whose compiler happens to use C as an intermediate language (: |
| 04:55.01 | simonrvn | peterS knows his shit |
| 04:55.06 | robboplus | it's majic how you understand a remote, unknown system better than myself ;) |
| 04:55.06 | Nyle | well, its one of the reasons why |
| 04:55.25 | Nyle | genius, or insane ;) |
| 04:55.27 | Nyle | fine line |
| 04:55.31 | Nyle | tee hee |
| 04:55.32 | peterS | \amethyst: arguably, the same is true of glade, though |
| 04:55.34 | troubled | Nyle: eg: delete 5 lines on the cursor: "5dd" justify all text: "v (highlight text) gq" sort a list of items: "v (hilight the lines) :!sort" add fancy comment boxes: "v (hilight text):!boxes -d shell". search and replace: ":%s/test/foobar/g". just some samples in the hope that they might stick or you might try some ;) |
| 04:55.55 | Nyle | troubled: I appreciate that very much |
| 04:56.07 | robboplus | Nyle indeed lamo.. |
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| 04:56.25 | Nyle | I will keep that in mind, though I try veyr hard, every day, to not code. |
| 04:56.34 | Nyle | every day i think positive things about not coding, and look at me |
| 04:56.41 | Nyle | I dont' code. |
| 04:56.43 | simonrvn | i use gqap or gqasomething |
| 04:56.45 | robboplus | Nyle i always wonder.. why the line between genius and insane is so thin.. anyone ever came by any logical explanation? |
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| 04:57.05 | Nyle | I'm sure, but right now I'm only thinking computers |
| 04:57.24 | peterS | robboplus: my theory is that it's not statistically significant. many geniuses are insane, but many geniuses are sane, and many morons are also insane (: |
| 04:57.27 | mentor | You'd think I'd have learnt to build the right library by now, right? |
| 04:57.34 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:57.36 | troubled | Nyle: also, a good thing is to apt-get install vim-full soon as possible! and ":syntax on". its surprising just how many syntax types they added to it |
| 04:57.36 | mentor | Hmm |
| 04:57.38 | robboplus | peterS lol.. |
| 04:57.40 | Nyle | we'd hope at least mentor |
| 04:57.41 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:57.57 | mentor | I believe there is a statistically significant link between creativity and schizophrenia |
| 04:58.02 | troubled | Nyle: oh yes, "u" is undo <--- most important ;) |
| 04:58.04 | Nyle | troubled: you know, I think you may have sold me on that one |
| 04:58.05 | peterS | robboplus: you hear a lot about van gogh being nuts, you don't hear so much about all the other crazy people who aren't geniuses (: |
| 04:58.06 | robboplus | mentor hm. |
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| 04:58.14 | mentor | I don't have any sources on me at the moment, so... |
| 04:58.22 | Nyle | peterS: very well said |
| 04:58.32 | robboplus | peterS indeed. |
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| 04:58.39 | simonrvn | robboplus: those people's brains work faster for one thing, more efficiently. we're limited creatures, and same for our machines, they will only be able to do so much |
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| 04:58.48 | mentor | Certainly, I'm nuts and a genius |
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| 04:59.02 | troubled | Nyle: "gg" (no ":" ) jumps to end of file (and will carry a highlight "v" as well), and "G" for begining |
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| 04:59.13 | robboplus | mentor and a debian op |
| 04:59.15 | Nyle | Professor Crackatus Potts. |
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| 04:59.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:59.24 | Nyle | (chitty chitty bang bang) |
| 04:59.26 | robboplus | simonrvn mhm, true, true. |
| 04:59.30 | mentor | robboplus: Yes, so just try and contradict me |
| 04:59.31 | troubled | robboplus! :) |
| 04:59.38 | robboplus | troubled! |
| 04:59.40 | peterS | good call, mentor |
| 04:59.46 | simonrvn | mentor: eh? |
| 04:59.46 | robboplus | mentor never. |
| 05:00.07 | mentor | simonrvn: Are you looking at me funny? |
| 05:00.09 | robboplus | troubled what's up and what's down? :) |
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| 05:00.34 | peterS | simonrvn: it's part of the joke. "I'm a genius! ... oh and since I'm also an op, nobody will dare say I'm not a genius" |
| 05:00.35 | troubled | robboplus: hmmm, will you be my valentine? ------<-@ |
| 05:00.42 | troubled | sorry, data change :) |
| 05:00.43 | Nyle | gay. |
| 05:00.46 | troubled | date* |
| 05:00.46 | robboplus | troubled oh, he he. |
| 05:00.52 | simonrvn | mentor: i can only see your text dude ;) |
| 05:01.13 | Nyle | as much as i use irc, I fucking HATE text messaging on cell phones |
| 05:01.24 | mentor | simonrvn: You are, aren't you... |
| 05:01.34 | simonrvn | texting is severely limited afaict |
| 05:01.38 | robboplus | peterS you can say it in much easier way: i'm an op, so i'm a genius. |
| 05:01.43 | simonrvn | mentor: hehehe |
| 05:01.56 | peterS | Nyle: worse, sending pictures to cell phones is sometimes called "texting a photo". wtf. |
| 05:02.02 | Nyle | oh god |
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| 05:02.20 | peterS | like people don't even know what 'text' means |
| 05:02.22 | mentor | peterS: MAkes baby jebus cry |
| 05:02.41 | robboplus | this is where my openssl trouble went nutz. as usual in debian rofl.. |
| 05:02.43 | Nyle | some chic back home got my number from my brother and called to say hi, and texted me a teddy bear smoking a blunt video/animated pic, my boss was using my phone and the message came and he saw. |
| 05:02.43 | mentor | hmm, that capitalisation got all the way over there... |
| 05:02.51 | Nyle | that shit was not cool :( |
| 05:02.52 | peterS | though maybe it is homage to Unix terminology, where executable code is called "program text" in your executables |
| 05:02.57 | peterS | I rather doubt that though |
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| 05:03.47 | mentor | peterS: Yes, but an image would be the .data sections |
| 05:03.51 | peterS | true |
| 05:03.51 | mentor | s/s$// |
| 05:03.55 | simonrvn | peterS: i very much doubt it ;). i wouldn't read too much into that shit ;) |
| 05:04.04 | peterS | or if the image is blank, it could go in .bss |
| 05:04.15 | Nyle | umm.. yeh what simon said |
| 05:04.17 | Nyle | rvn |
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| 05:04.57 | simonrvn | s'ok, i should add a highlight for simon actually |
| 05:05.04 | Nyle | windows vista is superior to debian in almost all ways. |
| 05:05.26 | peterS | superior memory usage, superior price, superior CPU requirements |
| 05:05.37 | peterS | well, in the sense of 'higher' |
| 05:05.52 | Nyle | oh guess no one took the bait |
| 05:05.53 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:06.09 | simonrvn | superior POS |
| 05:06.13 | peterS | it was pretty lame as trolls go, Nyle |
| 05:06.20 | Nyle | well damn |
| 05:06.28 | peterS | subtle it was not |
| 05:06.38 | Nyle | ok i'll stop, I guess I can't troll worth shit |
| 05:06.39 | Nyle | :( |
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| 05:07.07 | peterS | Vista is only $200 if your time is worthless, as they say |
| 05:07.11 | robboplus | Vista is just the new windows ME |
| 05:07.22 | robboplus | and it will vanish even faster than that one... |
| 05:07.31 | \amethyst | The recent kernel exploit demonstrates that, until Linux developers devote as much effort to security as Microsoft has with Vista, Linux doesn't stand a chance on the desktop. |
| 05:07.50 | mentor | My friends and I can't actually work out how to get Vista to play the Line in out over the speakers |
| 05:07.52 | Nyle | \amethyst: let me guess.. somewhere on a MS fansite? |
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| 05:07.53 | mentor | which is fun |
| 05:08.03 | mentor | \amethyst: Nice try. |
| 05:08.19 | \amethyst | Nyle: no, I was trying to demonstrate proper trolling technique, but you scared off all the fish :) |
| 05:08.27 | Nyle | og |
| 05:08.29 | simonrvn | \amethyst: non-sequitur ;) |
| 05:08.29 | Nyle | oh, hehe |
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| 05:08.35 | troubled | peterS: bah. i still cant justify their cost calculations. $200 for $0.02 worth of plastic? :/ |
| 05:08.40 | mentor | We have all the fish well trained in here |
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| 05:08.50 | peterS | but, errrr, what does concern for security have to do with "the desktop"? that's the _last_ market where people care about security, not the _first_ |
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| 05:09.01 | Nyle | hey man |
| 05:09.03 | Nyle | I care |
| 05:09.05 | \amethyst | simonrvn: yeah, ideally you'd want to shift the conversation over to the exploit in the first place, maybe through a sockpuppet |
| 05:09.05 | simonrvn | peterS: ^^^ ;) |
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| 05:09.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:09.19 | simonrvn | afk, brb :) |
| 05:09.27 | Nyle | whats a fwap? |
| 05:09.33 | peterS | mentor: OTOH, it _does_ prove Linux isn't ready for "the enterprise" |
| 05:09.41 | Nyle | !otoh |
| 05:09.41 | dpkg | hmm... otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
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| 05:09.44 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 05:09.49 | Nyle | thats what that is |
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| 05:09.51 | mentor | You've just made baby Jebus dead. |
| 05:09.58 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:10.00 | peterS | I totally did. I'm sorry, dude. |
| 05:10.04 | Nyle | !yafa |
| 05:10.04 | dpkg | yafa is probably Yet Another Freakin Acronym. |
| 05:10.08 | Nyle | heh |
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| 05:10.27 | peterS | yafa should have been easy to figure out, any acronym that starts with YA is Yet Another |
| 05:10.28 | troubled | peterS: sure it is. just have to role your own distro custom to the enterprise, with extreme tweaks, security, backup, restore etc |
| 05:10.46 | Nyle | yas |
| 05:10.48 | Nyle | you all suck |
| 05:10.50 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:10.54 | troubled | !wtf yafa |
| 05:10.55 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what yafa means... |
| 05:10.57 | Nyle | hah, I proved you wrong! :D |
| 05:10.59 | troubled | :/ |
| 05:11.08 | Nyle | Nyle: 1, peterS: 0 |
| 05:11.08 | peterS | troubled: the real problem with Linux in the enterprise is that it was only a prototype shuttle and never flew, so there wouldn't be all that much point |
| 05:11.11 | Nyle | muauahahah ;) |
| 05:11.16 | jimlay | I'm rewriting some of our custom scripts in python and packaging them and I've got questions like "where is the best place to put config file parsing logic needed by 4 or 5 scripts?" and am wondering where the best place to look for answers is. |
| 05:11.43 | jimlay | Is this a good place to ask questions about learning to make deb packages? |
| 05:11.46 | Caelum | jimlay: in a library? |
| 05:11.50 | mentor | jimlay: libconfigparser-python? |
| 05:11.51 | peterS | jimlay: a pythonic channel, presumably. #python-cleese or something like that |
| 05:11.51 | Nyle | jimlay: yes it is |
| 05:12.09 | mentor | Debian! Debian! |
| 05:12.19 | Nyle | jimlay: however with python specific help you would need to go elsewhere |
| 05:12.19 | peterS | or for Nyle, Doobian |
| 05:12.26 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:12.34 | Nyle | yeh, thats the name of my future debian based distro |
| 05:12.36 | Nyle | Doobian :) |
| 05:12.39 | mentor | peterS: Worryingly so. |
| 05:12.41 | huhlig | hey, are there any mirrors for the weekly builds |
| 05:12.48 | opensrcguru | ha! doobian. |
| 05:12.50 | opensrcguru | nice |
| 05:12.54 | huhlig | Its supposed to be like 9 hours to download 1 cd |
| 05:13.02 | mentor | peterS: Friends don't let friends admin. crunk? |
| 05:13.04 | peterS | opensrcguru: to appreciate that one you have to know that Nyle also goes by the name 'stoned' |
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| 05:13.15 | peterS | or used to |
| 05:13.19 | Nyle | I still do |
| 05:13.27 | opensrcguru | great minds think alike |
| 05:13.29 | \amethyst | it's still in the ircname :) |
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| 05:13.47 | stoned | yeh i think its still on debstats too |
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| 05:14.12 | stoned | whoever created (not last modified) !stoned was a tool. |
| 05:14.20 | troubled | peterS: part of all the woes is drivers and having to be the beta tester though. sure its been around for ages, but that snazy new printer you bought 10 of might have quirks. and i mean the kind that nobody has bothered testing, thus left up to the consumer to find and fix. As ive heard people say before, open source tends to be great, but only ever feels 90% finished |
| 05:14.21 | jimlay | with dh-make it asks whether I'm making a multi-binary or a single binary package. What's the difference? |
| 05:14.32 | stoned | jimlay: ahh easy |
| 05:14.37 | stoned | I learned it by reading this |
| 05:14.39 | stoned | !maint-guide |
| 05:14.39 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 05:14.44 | stoned | !package basics |
| 05:14.44 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 05:14.58 | \amethyst | jimlay: will this source package generate just one .deb, or multiple? |
| 05:15.18 | peterS | troubled: as may be. I'm not a bleeding edge hardware kinda guy (I'm too cheap) so I buy older, well-supported stuff and I've never felt terribly left out |
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| 05:15.32 | stoned | I know new hw |
| 05:15.34 | \amethyst | jimlay: if you aren't sure which way to do it, the maint-guide will help you decide |
| 05:15.35 | jimlay | I'm only intending it to produce 2 deb files, a src.deb and the main package. |
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| 05:15.48 | \amethyst | jimlay: then that would be a single binary package |
| 05:15.49 | stoned | I keep tabs on it a lot, latest video cards and drives and ram and heatsink setc. etc. |
| 05:16.13 | peterS | stoned: yeah, well, it's been awhile since linux didn't properly support your new ram |
| 05:16.15 | stoned | jimlay: the new maintainers guide is a very good resource |
| 05:16.19 | \amethyst | jimlay: also, sources aren't usually in debs... rather it's a .tar.gz, a diff, and a .dsc (control file) |
| 05:16.20 | huhlig | anyone know of a mirror? |
| 05:16.31 | stoned | peterS: yeh, tell me about it, i hate linux. |
| 05:16.37 | stoned | vista ftw. |
| 05:16.48 | peterS | stoned: I think the E820 patches in linux 2.1 were pretty much the end of having to override linux's detection of how much ram you have |
| 05:16.59 | mentor | stoned: You're still not very good at this |
| 05:17.06 | stoned | mentor: hehe |
| 05:17.08 | stoned | ok fine |
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| 05:17.10 | stoned | goddamit |
| 05:17.20 | Nyle | I can't troll. |
| 05:17.21 | troubled | peterS: honestly, i like recycling idea when it comes to computers. people toss out, sell or pass down older machines. but the older machines these days tend to be ghz+ machines with 256mb or more. basically the most powerful household devices imaginable when converted to linux+fs+apache etc. and when you can get a powerhouse like that for the cost of a router, i just cant see how anyone could say no to linux. |
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| 05:17.50 | mentor | Kids! Just sya no to Linux. |
| 05:18.00 | peterS | troubled: my problem is I can't say no even when I don't actually need another computer for anything |
| 05:18.19 | mentor | me too |
| 05:18.23 | Nyle | some of the videos on youtube of balmer dissing linux cuz it sucks and is insecure are hilarious |
| 05:18.26 | peterS | troubled: that's how I come to have 7 computers in this room that haven't been turned on for weeks |
| 05:18.29 | Nyle | I wonder where Azar is |
| 05:18.32 | mentor | I'm mentor and I have a problem |
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| 05:18.36 | troubled | peterS: i know the feeling. the temperature in here is to the point where i can sweat, and my heat has been off all winter :) |
| 05:18.37 | peterS | if not, in some cases, a lot longer |
| 05:18.44 | \amethyst | troubled: I wonder how many people are "using" Linux through their router or other appliance, compared to how many people actually know they're using it |
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| 05:19.06 | Nyle | \amethyst: if they have a linksys wrt they are running linux for sure |
| 05:19.08 | troubled | \amethyst: interesting point. im sure a few phones might fall under that category too |
| 05:19.29 | troubled | Nyle: i thought that was just the wrt GL models? |
| 05:19.33 | Nyle | nope |
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| 05:19.43 | peterS | and I suspect a lot of people use linux for web hosting without really thinking about it |
| 05:19.44 | Nyle | the reason they had to release the sourcecode was that they used linux |
| 05:19.49 | Nyle | and well, linux is gpl |
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| 05:19.54 | peterS | to say nothing of using linux-based search engines for finding stuff on the internets |
| 05:19.58 | troubled | didnt they drop linux in favour of symbian or some other OS for the latest rev? |
| 05:20.00 | Nyle | thats WHY we have so many open source firmwares for that router |
| 05:20.07 | Nyle | like ddwrt, open wrt, hyper wrt |
| 05:20.18 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 05:20.30 | mentor | One of them was usign VxWorks |
| 05:20.39 | Nyle | v6 I believe |
| 05:20.42 | troubled | i would take a cluster of those things if i could find them. i could power up 20 or 30 for the same cost in hydro of 1 pc |
| 05:20.49 | Nyle | with half the flash |
| 05:21.03 | Nyle | my sister has my 16mb wrt54g v2 at her house |
| 05:21.04 | Nyle | :( |
| 05:21.18 | Nyle | she dont' need it, she can do fine with a crappy router, gimme mine back ! :( |
| 05:21.21 | troubled | too bad that you cant pop in ram chips |
| 05:21.22 | peterS | is it running wrty wrthog? |
| 05:21.31 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:21.41 | peterS | oh wait, I forgot, this isn't #u |
| 05:22.10 | Nyle | sometimes I pity them |
| 05:22.28 | troubled | who? |
| 05:22.33 | Nyle | #u |
| 05:22.36 | peterS | they should totally call their development channel #udev. I'm sure that wouldn't confuse anyone at all |
| 05:22.42 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:22.44 | troubled | Nyle: ubuntubians? |
| 05:22.49 | Nyle | aye |
| 05:23.05 | peterS | I prefer to call them ubunts. I'm not certain how to pronounce that, though |
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| 05:23.27 | troubled | well, at least they have a decent live cd and installer for the average user |
| 05:23.27 | Nyle | shot u like oo |
| 05:24.03 | Nyle | ubunts if a funny sounding word lol /me is cracking up *could be the pot too* but its still pretty funny |
| 05:24.18 | mentor | Not using -Wall is an abomination unto Nuggan |
| 05:24.20 | Nyle | s/if/is |
| 05:24.21 | DocPlatypus | mentor: I would like to say no to the kernel, Linux, but I could never say no to GNU or a variant thereof |
| 05:24.35 | peterS | mentor: yeah, I use it even on 2-minute test programs |
| 05:24.48 | Nyle | DocPlatypus: why is that bro? |
| 05:24.54 | peterS | like to verify that C works how I think it does, or what some syscall does in some situation |
| 05:26.12 | mentor | peterS: I have never come across a situation where a warning was wrong |
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| 05:26.53 | peterS | mentor: I have. things like 'variable may be used uninitialised' when I know it's always initialised in all the code paths where it's used. but even so, I'd still rather have -Wall than not |
| 05:26.59 | Nyle | man, I really ought to run 32bit mplayer |
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| 05:27.24 | Nyle | this amd64 mplayer plays my media, but the colors are all fucked up, image is sometimes distorted but still vieable |
| 05:27.28 | Nyle | viewable* |
| 05:27.47 | mentor | peterS: Ah, you jsut need to upgrade to 4.3 :) |
| 05:27.53 | peterS | heh, perhaps |
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| 05:27.59 | peterS | 4.1 has served me long and well |
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| 05:28.50 | hatter | is there any GUI linux administration programs to replace webmin ? |
| 05:29.02 | hatter | that are liked by us debian people ? |
| 05:29.04 | peterS | there are also warnings that can easily be wrong, like if you do "if (foo = bar)" it will warn you about = vs. ==. you disable that by saying "if ((foo = bar))", so it's easy enough to deal with. |
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| 05:29.31 | Nyle | hatter: no |
| 05:29.31 | damion | geez i installed file-roller, but there is not icon i can boot from. how can i make one? |
| 05:29.41 | mentor | peterS: Ah, I would have an explicit comparison there proabbly |
| 05:29.49 | Nyle | damion: try aptitude install menu && update-menus |
| 05:29.51 | ganesh | hi to all |
| 05:30.03 | peterS | yeah, you can do that too, if ((foo = bar) != 0) |
| 05:30.07 | Nyle | damion: that might help, if not, just alt+f2 or get a run command box and type in file-roller |
| 05:30.15 | SexyKen | I'm fucking stumped. |
| 05:30.16 | ganesh | i am compiling cloop module but im getting error |
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| 05:30.22 | hatter | is our reason to dislike webmin because of security across the internet ? |
| 05:30.24 | SexyKen | Nyle: Want the latest on my NFS issue? |
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| 05:30.31 | Nyle | SexyKen: yes |
| 05:30.35 | peterS | which in C# is actually mandatory - an integer can't just magically turn into a boolean in C# like it can in C and C++ |
| 05:30.44 | Nyle | SexyKen: hope its the client |
| 05:31.20 | peterS | hatter: well that but mostly that webmin is flaky and broken and doesn't deal well with changes made to configurations outside of webmin and so on and so forth |
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| 05:31.35 | damion | i REALLY want the icon though lol |
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| 05:31.43 | damion | so i can click boot from the menubar |
| 05:31.52 | Nyle | damion: so create an icon |
| 05:31.55 | Nyle | whats the matter? |
| 05:32.11 | SexyKen | Well - I'm not sure if I'll be able to explain it easily - but here goes nothing. |
| 05:32.12 | damion | ah found it! |
| 05:32.22 | damion | how does one create an icon though? |
| 05:32.29 | hatter | peterS, I am trying to find a way for a customer to like using linux after they have had active directory... |
| 05:32.44 | SexyKen | I added a different NFS mount option (mounting the same AUTHORITIVE NFS Mount) but a different directory within that NFS Mount. |
| 05:32.49 | Nyle | usually right click desktop |
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| 05:32.53 | peterS | hatter: wow, after AD, what's _not_ to like about linux? (: |
| 05:33.06 | damion | ah create launcher |
| 05:33.07 | SexyKen | And it mounted....but when I include the original one - it wont mount. |
| 05:33.19 | SexyKen | And I wrote them exactly the same, the only ting different was the mount to be mounted. |
| 05:33.23 | hatter | peterS, i dont need convincing :) i put the samba box in, but they are basic and like GUI |
| 05:33.50 | peterS | hatter: I'm afraid I don't know much about GUI admin consoles, since I've almost never used any except SMIT in AIX |
| 05:33.54 | hatter | so I have swat for samba, but its still quite ugly |
| 05:34.07 | peterS | ...well, and whatever that horrid thing in HP/UX is called |
| 05:34.11 | peterS | *shudder* |
| 05:34.19 | peterS | SAM, that was it |
| 05:34.25 | hatter | peterS, cool, yeah i prefer cli, but I am trying to take linux to the world :) |
| 05:34.40 | hatter | its not soo easy fighting the 800lb gorilla |
| 05:34.48 | hatter | but its what i do... |
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| 05:35.47 | peterS | hatter: well, cups has web-based admin too, for your printers. but swat + cups isn't going to look like a whole gui admin platform |
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| 05:35.51 | damion | how do i determine what icons appear in a given menu? |
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| 05:36.27 | Nyle | you don't |
| 05:36.30 | Nyle | packages do |
| 05:36.43 | Nyle | and I'm not sure exactly how to edit the debian menu |
| 05:36.54 | Nyle | you could try to read the documentation fo the 'menu' package in debian |
| 05:37.09 | peterS | lots of little files in /usr/share/menu, start with README in there |
| 05:37.39 | Nyle | peterS: cool |
| 05:37.54 | peterS | Nyle: note that points you to /etc/menu/README |
| 05:38.19 | SexyKen | Nyle see - it's wierd as a mofo |
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| 05:38.26 | Nyle | SexyKen: yes it is |
| 05:38.28 | damion | why is this so difficult? geez does anyone here use newsgroups? |
| 05:38.30 | Nyle | and you can say mother fucker |
| 05:38.33 | Nyle | this aint ubuntu man |
| 05:38.35 | Nyle | ;) |
| 05:38.42 | Nyle | but yeh, try not to hehe |
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| 05:38.52 | damion | not family friendly here? oh fuck yea |
| 05:39.04 | damion | its nice to be around adults |
| 05:39.07 | peterS | damion: I think I gave up usenet as a timesink and a spamhole about 10 years ago |
| 05:39.08 | Nyle | well, please be civil |
| 05:39.11 | Nyle | adults konw how to act. |
| 05:39.33 | Penix | hopefully s/I/most people/ |
| 05:39.52 | damion | im just trying to find something that will let me reassemble a rar archive |
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| 05:40.04 | Nyle | rar |
| 05:40.05 | damion | ive literally wasted like 3 hours trying to find and install one |
| 05:40.11 | peterS | damion: 'unrar' from the non-free debian archive |
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| 05:40.26 | Nyle | was it rar e |
| 05:40.33 | Nyle | or use unrar, w/e |
| 05:40.37 | damion | i installed file-roller, which looked promising but apparently it cant handle par2? |
| 05:40.52 | Penix | afaik it's not up to file-roller |
| 05:41.08 | peterS | hmmm, I don't know what par2 is, but 'apt-cache search par2' is interesting |
| 05:41.20 | Nyle | parity info I think |
| 05:41.20 | ganesh | i am getting error while compiling the modules |
| 05:41.29 | Penix | ganesh: what modules? kernel? what error? |
| 05:41.34 | Nyle | regenerate a lost/corrupt piece of a rar series |
| 05:41.44 | ganesh | Penix, squashfs |
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| 05:41.54 | Nyle | I am so bored! gah! |
| 05:42.02 | ganesh | Penix, as well aufs |
| 05:42.15 | SexyKen | Are there any advantages to autofs? |
| 05:42.21 | Penix | people use autofs? |
| 05:42.39 | junix-other | hi, anyone here using OTRS 2.2.5?? i am getting a mysql error while setting it up |
| 05:42.41 | peterS | I sure used to use autofs. but I haven't in at least 4 years |
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| 05:43.04 | proc | !bcm43xx |
| 05:43.04 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 05:43.05 | Nyle | it depends on the map |
| 05:43.14 | Nyle | direct/indirect |
| 05:43.19 | netdaemon | i thought abiword supported odf? |
| 05:43.19 | proc | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 05:43.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). |
| 05:43.23 | netdaemon | i'm not seeing it =\ |
| 05:43.25 | Penix | proc: /msg the bot |
| 05:43.28 | proc | k |
| 05:44.22 | netdaemon | b43-fwcutter > bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 05:45.50 | proc | strange |
| 05:45.58 | proc | can't find anything about bcm43xx on sid |
| 05:46.19 | dondelelcaro | proc: it's in the kernel; you just need the firmware. |
| 05:46.38 | proc | dondelelcaro, yeah, am looking for the fwcutter |
| 05:46.43 | dondelelcaro | proc: it's in contrib. |
| 05:46.53 | proc | oh |
| 05:46.57 | proc | alright then |
| 05:47.44 | dondelelcaro | (primarily because it's totally useless without the undistributable firmware) |
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| 05:48.15 | proc | do I need to do the wget stuff with sid too or just with etch? (because there's nothing about sid) |
| 05:48.17 | Nyle | I hear people dislike this broadcom |
| 05:48.22 | dondelelcaro | proc: yes |
| 05:48.29 | proc | alright |
| 05:48.31 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it works fine, save for the stupid firmware |
| 05:48.33 | Nyle | well last I checked the link in the sid package was broken |
| 05:48.49 | Nyle | well, the shellscript uses wget to fetch the firmware driver file |
| 05:49.05 | ganesh | Penix, it for 22 kernel & see the error herr |
| 05:49.06 | dondelelcaro | proc: you'll probably have better luck just using google and following the instructions to find the firmware there |
| 05:49.08 | Nyle | last I used it, can't remember when, the link in the package was broken and I had to find the driver elsewhere |
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| 05:49.18 | ganesh | Penix, error link http://pastebin.com/m2dd6b498 |
| 05:49.20 | proc | dondelelcaro, too late |
| 05:49.25 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: the firware changes quite often, so it's not all that surprising. |
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| 05:50.00 | proc | and now? iwconfig still does not show any wireless extensions |
| 05:50.15 | dondelelcaro | proc: reload the module, and read dmesg. |
| 05:50.17 | SexyKen | Hrm |
| 05:50.24 | SexyKen | On my NFS server - how the hell do I find out what version it is? |
| 05:50.32 | netdaemon | proc: the newer version of bcm43xx-fwcutter is b43-fwcutter |
| 05:50.32 | proc | dondelelcaro, I did - no message excpect the "bcm43xx driver" stuff |
| 05:50.42 | proc | gnah |
| 05:50.46 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: hmm |
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| 05:50.51 | Nyle | see the traffic its using maybe |
| 05:51.00 | Nyle | I know v2 is udp only exclusively |
| 05:51.05 | proc | hoepfully I'm not screwing the firmware |
| 05:51.14 | dondelelcaro | proc: it won't load the firmware if it's wrong. |
| 05:51.20 | Nyle | and v3 support tcp transfers, so maybe that way i have no idea |
| 05:51.20 | proc | alright |
| 05:51.37 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: what version do you want to know about? |
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| 05:53.00 | Nyle | wow, I've never bothered to read man nfs |
| 05:53.13 | Nyle | fairly informative |
| 05:53.17 | proc | gnah |
| 05:53.20 | Nyle | I wonder what info says |
| 05:53.25 | proc | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmwareinstallation doesn't work due wrong md5sum |
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| 05:53.58 | Nyle | well, info page has a better formatting of course |
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| 05:55.14 | proc | now I tried it with two different firmwares - still no wireless extensions |
| 05:55.20 | proc | and nothing in dmesg |
| 05:55.48 | dondelelcaro | proc: and you modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe bcm43xx; after switching firmwares? |
| 05:56.09 | dondelelcaro | (cause I guarantee there will be something in dmesg when it's actually working) |
| 05:56.10 | proc | of course |
| 05:56.20 | dondelelcaro | proc: and what do you see in dmesg? |
| 05:56.25 | proc | the only thing I got in dmesg is "bcm43xx driver" |
| 05:56.41 | proc | I'm still using 2.6.18 - could that be the problem? |
| 05:56.50 | dondelelcaro | it works in 2.6.18 too |
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| 05:56.59 | dondelelcaro | but the new firmware doesn't work with that kernel. |
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| 05:57.08 | proc | so which one should I use? |
| 05:57.32 | dondelelcaro | proc: are you running sid? or what? |
| 05:57.38 | proc | yeah |
| 05:57.45 | dondelelcaro | if you're running sid, you should be running 2.6.24 |
| 05:58.09 | proc | *sigh* |
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| 06:00.08 | Nyle | Need to get 171MB of archives. After unpacking 133MB will be used. |
| 06:00.29 | Nyle | thats some 2 months not upgrading my sid box |
| 06:01.00 | Nyle | AND my internet is very slow. |
| 06:01.15 | Nyle | I'm still running 2.6.22, wait thats more than 2 months |
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| 06:01.38 | streuner | every used sid with a dialup-connection? ;-) |
| 06:01.44 | streuner | s/every/ever/ |
| 06:02.12 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:02.48 | Nyle | oh boy, that was quite a traumatizing experience |
| 06:03.34 | Obligatory | Q: Why can I view this in Puppy LivedCD, but Debian's (Marillat's) 'realplayer' can't: http://www.xs4all.nl/~lasercat/cleanscreen.swf |
| 06:03.46 | Obligatory | (1.6M, it's a cat video basically) |
| 06:03.53 | Nyle | I just noticed something |
| 06:04.12 | valdyn | Obligatory: its flash |
| 06:04.22 | Obligatory | valdyn, true. |
| 06:04.24 | valdyn | Obligatory: you can try mplayer |
| 06:04.29 | Nyle | klipper's popup menu on http action(copy) lists konqueror/mozilla/firefox... even though its debian and it should calld it iceweasel |
| 06:04.31 | valdyn | Obligatory: or flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:04.40 | Nyle | could this be a bug? |
| 06:04.50 | Nyle | I mean not a bug bug, but a bug |
| 06:04.54 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: a minor one |
| 06:05.06 | Nyle | yeh, so tell #debian-kde? |
| 06:05.16 | Nyle | and file a bugreport I guess on which package |
| 06:05.21 | Nyle | hmm. kde-base? |
| 06:05.21 | dondelelcaro | file a bugreport with a patch |
| 06:05.28 | Obligatory | valdyn, mplayer says: [swf @ 0x87fc694]Compressed SWF format not supported |
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| 06:06.23 | Nyle | I am on amd64 using icewasel and I see a cute little cat licking the camera |
| 06:06.28 | Nyle | is that correct? |
| 06:06.41 | Nyle | I don't see what this has to do with realplayer...? |
| 06:07.14 | Obligatory | Nyle, yeah that's it. What's your viewer? |
| 06:07.32 | Nyle | adobe flashplayer plugin under nspluginwrapperings |
| 06:07.45 | Caelum | is there a way to make lsof -i not convert ports to service names? |
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| 06:08.09 | Nyle | im sure its in the manpage somewhere Caelum |
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| 06:09.15 | Obligatory | Nyle, is there a '.deb' file or package somewhere or is it an IceWeasel thing? |
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| 06:10.16 | simonrvn | Caelum: -n |
| 06:11.28 | Nyle | Obligatory: yes, and no |
| 06:11.45 | Caelum | simonrvn: oh, I tried -in that didn't work :) thanks! |
| 06:11.45 | Nyle | !flash |
| 06:11.45 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 06:12.08 | simonrvn | Caelum: gotta do it -n -i :XXX |
| 06:12.13 | Nyle | !abode flash |
| 06:12.20 | Nyle | !ping |
| 06:12.21 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:12.24 | Nyle | oh FFS |
| 06:12.30 | Nyle | !adobe ping |
| 06:12.31 | Nyle | oh fuck |
| 06:12.33 | simonrvn | adobe dude ;) |
| 06:12.36 | Nyle | !adobe flash |
| 06:12.36 | dpkg | Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>. |
| 06:12.39 | Nyle | heh.. |
| 06:12.43 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:12.45 | Nyle | I'm tird |
| 06:13.12 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:13.50 | simonrvn | Caelum: np |
| 06:14.32 | Obligatory | That Flash howto is odd, there's separate advice for stable, testing and unstable, but it's all the same advice. Which I'm now following... |
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| 06:17.17 | Obligatory | Those 'wget' "wget -P . -v --progress=dot:default " switches look cool.... |
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| 06:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy: ok, just can't remember of ever hearing of it... |
| 06:21.49 | ganesh | hai how password security maintaining in boss |
| 06:22.01 | ganesh | hai how password security maintaining in debian |
| 06:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo? |
| 06:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: by choosing a good password? |
| 06:24.10 | SexyKen | Nyle: No I noticed that if I get into the box immediately after it boots up - I can work for about 30 seconds, but then the console commands die again. |
| 06:24.48 | nevyn | ganesh: oh hai we can haz pam_cracklib for making sures that passwords has secureness |
| 06:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: there's no factoid "adobe dude" yet :) |
| 06:25.08 | Obligatory | If IRC is UDP, and UDP is lossy, then my apologies to any writers of messages I've missed since "That Flash howto...". No spare bandwidth for the next few minutes. :( |
| 06:25.21 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, even if give a single character it is accepting |
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| 06:26.25 | ganesh | nevyn, if im installing it should take more than six char, if not should not proceed what to do |
| 06:26.59 | nevyn | ah you can't do it for root on install. without serious re engineering |
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| 06:27.57 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: nope. wanna add one? :P |
| 06:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nevyn: idea superplusgood :) |
| 06:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: was just about to suggest it to you :) was _really_ wondering what it would contain |
| 06:28.52 | Azar | heck screw pdf |
| 06:29.14 | robboplus | what i always wanted to understand is why most indian people say "hai" instead of "hi" |
| 06:29.29 | Azar | it ain't working for me so I use google shortcuts |
| 06:29.36 | robboplus | is there a similar word in indian language to express a greeting? |
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| 06:30.02 | Azar | yes, there is |
| 06:30.13 | robboplus | so that's why probably |
| 06:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | robboplus: misconfigured spelchekkar :-P |
| 06:30.20 | robboplus | CutMeOwnThroat he he |
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| 06:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nevyn: ah, I see, this is the game "guess what he's talking about" - seems you win |
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| 06:31.37 | robboplus | of course i did NOT try to be funny, was seriously curious about that "hai" |
| 06:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
| 06:32.29 | RaymondX | what command let's you install deb files? |
| 06:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 06:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hi |
| 06:32.56 | dpkg | hello, cutmeownthroat |
| 06:33.17 | Obligatory | Gah, wikipedia says IRC is TCP, so I'm even losing TCP packets. |
| 06:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | RaymondX: ever wondered why the bot is named that way? |
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| 06:33.34 | simonrvn | yes, it's tcp based |
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| 06:33.49 | robboplus | rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olhczmTbB4I |
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| 06:34.24 | RaymondX | CutMeOwnThroat: like i care |
| 06:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | robboplus: omg idiots contest? |
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| 06:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | RaymondX: well, he's named after the debian-package management program... |
| 06:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dpkg |
| 06:38.24 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me. |
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| 06:39.27 | RaymondX | CutMeOwnThroat:i found it dpkg -i... now stop nitpicking |
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| 06:39.59 | Obligatory | Bandwidth's back and 'flashplugin-nonfree' is installed. Restarted 'iceweasel', but I'm not seeing the cat. IW's giving the "you have chosen to open... what should it do:" box. |
| 06:41.31 | Obligatory | Not a lot of info in the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package either. Is it meant to "just work"? |
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| 06:43.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:43.47 | simonrvn | ethan961_: stop messing with factoids |
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| 06:44.49 | ethan961_ | yes sir. |
| 06:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | RaymondX: I don't even have nits, nor would I want to pick them |
| 06:44.54 | ethan961_ | sorry |
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| 06:45.40 | Obligatory | simonrvn, maybe I've got kruft from some ancient viewer clogging up flash then. Hmm. |
| 06:45.56 | simonrvn | ethan961_: that wasn't cool what you did, putting in "ubuntu is cool" or whatever. a lot of those factoids are meant to give out info to people, not spread weird messages and opinions |
| 06:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: I'd say so... I think the .so files just go into the plugin directory, where they are found at startup |
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| 06:46.16 | simonrvn | bah |
| 06:47.59 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, I have no idea how to trace the conflict. The plugin exists: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
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| 06:48.06 | simonrvn | Obligatory: they can go system-wide in /usr/lib/{mozilla,firefox,netscape}/plugins or in your profile in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 06:48.35 | simonrvn | (or /usr/lib/iceweasel/... heh) |
| 06:48.37 | Obligatory | simonrvn, Ah, I'll check local... |
| 06:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: strace -e open iceweasel 2> bla |
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| 06:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: or strace -e trace=file |
| 06:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: look if it's checking the plugin directory... |
| 06:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | so search for "plugin" in all that output |
| 06:50.36 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, workin on it... |
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| 06:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's found, it can probably not be loaded because of a version mismatch(?) |
| 06:52.59 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, no 'flash' in bla. |
| 06:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: look for "plugin" ? |
| 06:53.43 | Obligatory | Many 'plugin's though, gotta read some... |
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| 06:57.17 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, it's looking for stuff like: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libpcre.so.3, /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libnss_nis.so.2... I'll parse and pastebin it, hold on... |
| 06:57.23 | ganesh | hello, which package is taking care of password while installing debian in our system |
| 06:58.25 | hatter | how do i run a program as root from the gnome desktop ? |
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| 06:59.15 | Coweater | hatter: gksu or gksudo if you want a graphical thing |
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| 06:59.53 | hatter | Coweater, i just installed the gadmintools, which has a gui for samba, but it needs to be run as root |
| 07:00.19 | jome | I'm going to 'upgrade' my kernel to the version in sid.. is there anything else I need to other than dpkg -i <sidpackage> before rebooting? And is there a way to save the box if it doesn't like the kernel? |
| 07:00.19 | hatter | Coweater, is there a recommneded procedure for these sort of things ? ie run as administrator in windows ? |
| 07:00.31 | jome | (without physical access but a drac card in it) |
| 07:00.41 | hatter | jome, is the box sid ? |
| 07:00.46 | jome | hatter: nope, it's etch |
| 07:00.50 | hatter | dont do it |
| 07:00.53 | hatter | use a backport |
| 07:00.56 | jome | ok |
| 07:01.00 | jome | thanks |
| 07:01.13 | hatter | np |
| 07:02.16 | hatter | backported kernels seem to work ok, are you having sata driver problems ? |
| 07:02.33 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, here's the stuff: http://www.pastebin.org/19512 |
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| 07:02.43 | jome | hatter: spot on |
| 07:02.52 | hatter | i have suffered this |
| 07:02.57 | hatter | PITA |
| 07:03.20 | hatter | but we are using free s/w made by the many people we love for it :) |
| 07:03.29 | jome | hatter: yepp, i don't know if there's a difference between 2.6.22 (=backport) and 2.6.23(=what i run) in that aspect so i don't dare upgrading |
| 07:03.38 | jome | hatter: true |
| 07:03.55 | hatter | you could always make your own kernel |
| 07:04.04 | hatter | the debian way is pretty str8foeard |
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| 07:04.12 | hatter | 'straightforward' |
| 07:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: I have /usr/lib/libflash.so.0 |
| 07:04.38 | jome | i've done that in the past, but it was too long ago.. and i'd prefer a package (more painless upgrading) |
| 07:05.05 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, metoo: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Dec 28 2006 /usr/lib/libflash.so.0 -> libflash.so.0.13.0 |
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| 07:05.34 | jome | hatter: what kernel are you running on your boxes that had sata issues? |
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| 07:06.41 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, also it links to: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 199996 Nov 30 2006 /usr/lib/libflash.so.0.13.0 |
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| 07:06.53 | hatter | jome, i will check, one sec |
| 07:07.04 | jome | thanks |
| 07:07.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: hm, my setup might not be representative... I have prefbar installed and can switch the flash plugin on and off - that might have required that I have the plugin in my home-dir... |
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| 07:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: not sure, though what I did or did not do for that ( can't remember anything that took a lot of effort, but there was a weird warning as browser-alert when switching it on/off for a while) |
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| 07:09.31 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess I'm confused as to the PATH priority of what these browsers use. Does a ~ plugin supersede a lib, or vice versa? |
| 07:09.42 | hatter | jome, 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 07:10.29 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, Also, why is iceweasel looking for so many missing files? Is that normal? |
| 07:10.31 | hatter | jome, intel ICH7 Sata controllor |
| 07:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: I think your grep was not so good because a) it doesn't show up the plugins that were found b) you sort the output |
| 07:10.48 | jome | hatter: what kind of server is it, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 07:10.53 | jome | hatter: if you know offhand |
| 07:11.05 | jome | hatter: (i think i use the same sata driver) |
| 07:11.13 | hatter | jome, core 2 duo 2.66GH |
| 07:11.29 | jome | hatter: no brand? |
| 07:11.34 | jome | dell? |
| 07:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: yes. It's looking for each file in every location in the searchpath until it's found - every unsuccessful lookup is a ENOF |
| 07:11.38 | hatter | mobo brand ? |
| 07:11.44 | damion | does gparted take a long time to scan all devices the 1st time you open it? |
| 07:11.49 | hatter | jome, i dont buyname brand boxes |
| 07:11.49 | jome | hatter: nah, if it's dell, or hp? |
| 07:11.51 | jome | ah |
| 07:12.11 | hatter | i can probably get you the mobo if it helps |
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| 07:12.50 | jome | hatter: nah, thanks, but i don't think i'm sure i wanna try until i know someone with a poweredge r200 who have tested :) |
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| 07:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: there doesn't seem to be /usr/lib in your list, tho |
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| 07:15.40 | hatter | jome, you could find out if its the same chipset easy enough |
| 07:16.22 | jome | hatter: how? |
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| 07:17.27 | jome | /proc somewhere? |
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| 07:17.35 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, should there be? Note 'bla' is only 265 lines, so here it is: http://www.pastebin.org/19514 |
| 07:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: ah, yeah, it finds my libflashplayer.so in /home/$USER |
| 07:17.42 | kb3llm | How do I enable use of my second hard drive (in a server).. linux is installed on one drive, and i want to make another drive a backup drive (there are three altogether) |
| 07:18.28 | hatter | jome, google the box, you should find out easy enough what chipset they use |
| 07:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: well, the plugin .so is in /usr/lib according to the package, so there better be, if it's supposed to work... |
| 07:18.40 | ganesh | hello, which package is taking care of password while installing debian in our system |
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| 07:19.16 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, so somethings probably blocking it. |
| 07:19.43 | hatter | kb3llm, the first drive appears as /dev/sda |
| 07:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: hm, I don't have /usr/lib (without subpaths) either... wonder how that package's supposed to work |
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| 07:20.26 | hatter | if its in the box already, you can fdisk /dev/sdb and see if its there |
| 07:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: base-passwd ... kind of |
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| 07:21.20 | jome | hatter: 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation Unknown device 2920 (rev 02) |
| 07:21.32 | jome | hatter: that's what I get off lspci :) |
| 07:21.46 | hatter | jome, run update-pciids |
| 07:22.05 | jome | hatter: cheers |
| 07:22.06 | jome | hatter: 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 4 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) |
| 07:22.15 | jome | hatter: same as you use? |
| 07:22.20 | damion | what would be the best way to do this? i want to repartition my hdd without reinstalling debian |
| 07:22.30 | hatter | one sec, i will logon to it again |
| 07:22.33 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah |
| 07:22.52 | jome | hatter: sorry, if you're busy, just let me know.. i'm asking a lot now, heh |
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| 07:23.31 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, i want fix some some rule while setting the password , for that which pkg i have to edit |
| 07:23.50 | hatter | the box i am speaking of is 82801GB/GR/GH |
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| 07:24.00 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, hey remember my system's /usr/lib/libflash.so.0 -> libflash.so.0.13.0? Well the latter file belongs to the 'libflash0c2' package here. Howbout yours? |
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| 07:24.14 | jome | hatter: ah, okey, thanks |
| 07:24.34 | hatter | jome, i am busy, but this problem you are suffering wasted heaps of my time, so am happy to help |
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| 07:24.50 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, are you getting me |
| 07:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: I *think* /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins should contain a soft-link to ../../mozilla/plugins/libflash*, that should contain one to /usr/lib/libflaash* - but better compare with someone else - my libflash is in my homedirectory, so that prefbar can switch it on and off - the systemwide libflash*.so is obviously also ignored |
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| 07:25.09 | hatter | does it say ICH7 family ? |
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| 07:25.19 | jome | hatter: okey, thanks. i think i'm fine for now, i will wait until there's a backport of 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 and intall that on etch |
| 07:25.28 | damion | can gparted do that? |
| 07:25.28 | hatter | jome, ok |
| 07:25.42 | hatter | there is a .23 i think |
| 07:25.42 | jome | hatter: well, no, what i pasted is all it says |
| 07:25.42 | hatter | i cant remember the address |
| 07:25.46 | hatter | a guy in japan |
| 07:25.58 | hatter | search google for etch backports |
| 07:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: I think you got your answer - there are *no* rules for the user root when changing a password and this cannot be changed easily. For all other users there are rules in place |
| 07:26.06 | iateadonut | in debian, what is the proper httpd.conf file? - /apache-ssl/httpd.conf, /apache-perl/httpd.conf, or /apache/httpd.conf ?? |
| 07:26.10 | jome | hatter: i think that's what i run (japan guy) but since it has a security issue now :\ |
| 07:26.17 | jome | hatter: it's ICH9 Family now that i look |
| 07:26.28 | jome | hatter: perhaps he released a new version though, thanks for the tip |
| 07:26.30 | hatter | jome, ah. yeah the problem with backports |
| 07:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: for further details /msg dpkg pam |
| 07:26.56 | hatter | i switched to ubuntu for a few servers because they had newer kernels |
| 07:27.08 | mentor | I win! Finally. |
| 07:27.09 | hatter | but then there are ubuntu problems.... i prefer debian |
| 07:27.16 | jome | hatter: okey, i'm not a big fan of ubuntu on servers |
| 07:27.28 | hatter | jome, no, i wouldnt advise it |
| 07:27.42 | hatter | i still have an unresolved 'slowness' problem on one of them |
| 07:27.47 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, my question is not changing the password of root |
| 07:27.47 | hatter | grrr |
| 07:27.49 | jome | hatter: ouch |
| 07:28.32 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, while setting the password to root or general , it should be more than six char., |
| 07:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: /msg dpkg pam |
| 07:28.52 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat,k |
| 07:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | good night |
| 07:29.32 | damion | anyone? |
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| 07:30.10 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins is 100% symlinks. Could you try: dlocate `ls /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins`| sed 's/: .*$//' | sort -u | tr '\n' ' '; echo |
| 07:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: and no - there are *no* restrictions for what the root user does - and that is so by design... root should know what he does - if he wants to muck up the system, it's his responsibility |
| 07:30.25 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, my system returns: flashplayer-mozilla iceape-browser iceweasel mozilla-bonobo mozilla-mplayer mozplugger realplayer totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla |
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| 07:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: please ask someone else - I don't think comparing to my setup will help you |
| 07:31.41 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, if yoy say like this., if the root password is in single anyone can break |
| 07:31.56 | Obligatory | damion, yeah gparted can, I like 'qtparted' |
| 07:32.28 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, how different is your setup? |
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| 07:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: if you just want it to work, you get that by copying it into e.g. $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so (which seems to be the location used for me) |
| 07:33.46 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, will try, one moment... |
| 07:33.51 | hatter | anyone know how much work is being done on the etch desktop ? |
| 07:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: or of course you can copy it to any of the other paths that are searched by iceweasel (even as part of a package, wich "checkinstall") |
| 07:34.10 | damion | Obligatory, can i do this on the partition my system is on? |
| 07:34.14 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, wait, I've forgetten what "it" is. What do I copy again? |
| 07:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: yes - but if that is so, then root wants it like that |
| 07:34.47 | Obligatory | damion, Yes, but not what you boot from. Boot from and use 'knoppix' or some other liveCD. |
| 07:35.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Obligatory: hehe... libflashplayer.so (and it's just libflashplayer.so for me without version numbers behind the .so) |
| 07:35.12 | jim | hatter: etch is released, this means the only changes are critical bug fixes |
| 07:35.24 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, why to allow the root to do |
| 07:35.32 | damion | gotcha. good think i have a knoppix cd =) |
| 07:35.45 | jim | so essentially zero |
| 07:35.56 | damion | whats a good amount of space for debian? 2Gb? 4GB? |
| 07:35.56 | Obligatory | damion, also after repart, you might need to to 'chroot' to your root dir, and run lilo, or whatever your boot loader is... |
| 07:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: because root is the administrator - being able to do everything is the whole point of root |
| 07:36.19 | damion | i use grub |
| 07:36.25 | jim | anywhere from about half a g to many many ts |
| 07:36.48 | jim | it's -all- good :) |
| 07:37.27 | Obligatory | damion, I dunno how grub does it, or if it needs to. :( |
| 07:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: if root wants an empty password, he gets it - root could just edit /etc/password or /etc/shadow to do so - so what would be the point from preventing him? To make roots life harder? |
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| 07:38.15 | damion | i think as long as the hd and partition number the system is on doesnt change, grub is none the wiser |
| 07:38.30 | jim | CutMeOwnThroat: that's not just root access, that's also physical access |
| 07:38.52 | jim | well you're right tho, root can just run passwd |
| 07:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim: he asked why root is not restricted in the choice of the password... |
| 07:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim: when running passwd |
| 07:39.20 | jim | ahh |
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| 07:39.36 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, if the root password is in single char.. other users can identify it easily |
| 07:39.36 | jim | what does the limiting? pam? |
| 07:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim: you can take over, I'm off to bed :) |
| 07:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim: yes... pam_libcrack or wossname |
| 07:40.02 | jim | heh, I'm gonna go eat :L) |
| 07:40.27 | jim | ganesh: so it's up to the person to pick a passwd then |
| 07:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: and if the root password is empty, all users can become root without having to guess a password |
| 07:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim: need sleep |
| 07:40.51 | jim | neeed fod |
| 07:41.25 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, it means it is upto the root selecting a perfect password |
| 07:41.48 | jim | there is only ONE perfect password!!! |
| 07:41.59 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, Nope, doesn't work. So much for "try this", I hereby must become systematic. Ah well. |
| 07:42.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ganesh: yes. root is supposed to know what he does. users are not. |
| 07:42.21 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
| 07:42.24 | jim | users can learn but they don't have to |
| 07:42.29 | Obligatory | Probably I'll find some bugs along the way, so it's not all bad. |
| 07:42.42 | jim | root learns by necessity (and sometimes by disaster) |
| 07:43.18 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, shall i restrict a particular user to use usb |
| 07:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | good night :) |
| 07:43.40 | Obligatory | CutMeOwnThroat, night, thanks for the whatever... |
| 07:43.54 | ganesh | CutMeOwnThroat, shall i restrict a particular user to use usb or anyother external media |
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| 07:45.48 | jim | ganesh: I recommend you get a notebook and write those questions in it... leave space for answers |
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| 07:47.30 | ganesh | jim, i am new to debian , if you say like this from where i have top rectify my doubts |
| 07:47.44 | ganesh | jim, i am new to debian , if you say like this from where i have to rectify my doubts |
| 07:47.50 | jim | it's ok to be new |
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| 07:48.19 | Obligatory | ganesh, I'm scrolling back, what are you trying to do, your first post mentioned something about changing a password or rule? |
| 07:48.31 | jim | one thing I'll suggest to you is learn how to back up |
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| 07:48.56 | jim | also learn how to be a user, with NO special privileges |
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| 07:49.27 | jim | (why would a privilege be special, anyway?) |
| 07:49.39 | ganesh | Obligatory, which package is taking care of password while installing debian in your system |
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| 07:49.57 | jim | there is no password at that point |
| 07:50.13 | wols | !tell ganesh about search |
| 07:50.21 | Obligatory | ganesh, Beg pardon, but what difference does it make which package? |
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| 07:51.18 | jim | wols: so I got nvidia-kernel-common of the (slightly) later version installed, the only thing left is xserver-xorg-core |
| 07:51.21 | Obligatory | jim, do you think he means 'program' but is saying 'package'? |
| 07:52.01 | mosty | i have a wierd dns issue, i have setup my dns server, and i'm trying to get my registrar to delegate the domain to my dns server, but the registrar won't accept an ip address, they require a FQDN. so do i need a second domain name just to make this one work? |
| 07:52.40 | jim | he's resolving the chicken-egg problem about when it is that passwords begin protecting |
| 07:52.49 | ganesh | Obligatory, can you answer for this question , how to restrict the user to use external media |
| 07:52.58 | mosty | ie i can't say "use ns1.domain.foo as the name server for domain.foo" |
| 07:53.14 | jim | ganesh: look at it this way... when you install debian, you're implicitly root |
| 07:53.47 | jim | and if you have physical access to the computer, you can potentially be root |
| 07:54.48 | jim | if you're installing debian, you're going to set the root password for the first time |
| 07:55.03 | ganesh | jim, i want to restrict to use my external devices , how to |
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| 07:55.11 | Obligatory | ganesh, I think the user needs some local space or where are the home directories? However... there is such a thing as file quotas, where users can only use some much space in /home/username, and then you could give 'em more externally. |
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| 07:55.43 | iateadonut | in debian, what is the proper httpd.conf file? - /apache-ssl/httpd.conf, /apache-perl/httpd.conf, or /apache/httpd.conf ?? |
| 07:55.50 | Obligatory | ganesh, simplest case with 'mount' permissions, in '/etc/fstab'. |
| 07:55.56 | jim | ganesh: what internal devices do you not want access to? |
| 07:56.28 | ganesh | jim, like usb , cdrom drive |
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| 07:56.59 | ganesh | Obligatory, k |
| 07:57.07 | wols | jim: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 07:58.28 | Obligatory | ganesh, here's a page about quotas, probably obsolete (old kernel) but it'll give you an idea: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/quotas.html |
| 07:58.43 | wols | jim: why would you need nvidia-kernel-common again? |
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| 07:59.13 | wols | iateadonut: depends for which apache |
| 07:59.16 | jim | ganesh, what physical distance will this user be to your computer at the time he would use it? |
| 07:59.24 | Obligatory | ganesh, more of the same about quotas: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/sys-admin/ch05s02.html |
| 07:59.55 | jim | wols: something depended on it |
| 08:00.01 | iateadonut | apache2 |
| 08:00.05 | iateadonut | with php. |
| 08:00.07 | Obligatory | ganesh, and something more recent: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/Webmin.htm |
| 08:00.07 | jim | one sec |
| 08:00.13 | wols | iateadonut: none of the above |
| 08:00.16 | Obligatory | Probably too many URLs... |
| 08:00.27 | wols | iateadonut: not even for apache |
| 08:00.38 | jim | afk |
| 08:00.49 | iateadonut | i couldn't find any other httpd.conf file. |
| 08:00.59 | iateadonut | well, one other, but it was empty. |
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| 08:02.03 | wols | iateadonut: a) debian doesn't use any httpd.conf b) apache != apache2 |
| 08:02.22 | wols | !wayttd iateadonut |
| 08:02.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iateadonut? |
| 08:02.44 | maelstrom | "iceweasel". *rolls eyes* |
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| 08:03.18 | iateadonut | i am trying to change my apache2 root directory. |
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| 08:03.24 | iateadonut | among other things. |
| 08:03.36 | H2S04 | you can use httpd.conf in debian |
| 08:03.41 | H2S04 | :p |
| 08:03.45 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:03.48 | H2S04 | just change the conf file |
| 08:03.50 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 08:04.10 | H2S04 | you can set what conf file apache uses |
| 08:04.17 | fireba11 | H2S04: uhm .. apache2 only uses the linked site configs by deault .. httpd.conf is empty |
| 08:04.31 | H2S04 | yes, but you can set it to use whatever you would like |
| 08:05.01 | H2S04 | I've done it :P |
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| 08:05.18 | iateadonut | i'm also installed turckmmcache. |
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| 08:06.38 | iateadonut | but i guess that's impossilbe on 2.0, huh? |
| 08:06.53 | iateadonut | is there any reason to use apache2 rather than apache 1.3? |
| 08:07.33 | iateadonut | oh, nevermind. for that, i modify php.ini. |
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| 08:09.38 | iateadonut | i changed it and now it says "The requested URL /apache2-default/ was not found on this server." when i go to http://127.0.0.1/ |
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| 08:10.41 | RaymondX | what program in debian lets you browse chm files? |
| 08:11.03 | jome | http://www.arky.in/2007/09/03/handling-chm-files-in-gnudebian-linux |
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| 08:11.20 | jome | second google hit on 'view chm debian' |
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| 08:12.09 | RaymondX | tnx |
| 08:12.16 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 08:12.17 | iateadonut | got it. |
| 08:12.21 | avtobiff | avtobiff@commodore:~$ aptitude search chm |
| 08:12.22 | avtobiff | p archmage - CHM(Compiled HTML) Decompressor |
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| 08:12.28 | avtobiff | first hit with aptitude |
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| 08:12.58 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:16.41 | Obligatory | dimer yo. |
| 08:16.53 | Obligatory | dimir yo. |
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| 08:18.08 | dimir | y0! |
| 08:18.14 | tralala | l337 |
| 08:18.23 | Obligatory | krad |
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| 08:20.15 | Obligatory | Q: what's a good IRC for iceweasel/firefox? |
| 08:20.43 | Obligatory | Assuming there is a good channel that is... |
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| 08:23.17 | startxwhite | i am running debian etch and installed the madwifi driver. i can associate to the ap, get an ip address but when i try to surf the connection drops. dmesg output: "wifi0:rx FIFO overrun;resetting. wifi0:ath_reset: unable to reset hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)" what can a newbie do about this? |
| 08:24.12 | R1ck | hello. can someone tell me how i can make sudo do wildcard bash stuff? like "sudo cat /var/named/*" doesnt work because it doesnt parse the * but takes it literally |
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| 08:25.29 | Obligatory | Rick, you meant "sudo `cat /var/named/*`" right? |
| 08:26.27 | Obligatory | Rick, wait I misunderstood the question. |
| 08:26.31 | Nyle | man |
| 08:26.51 | Nyle | going through object oriented code you've never messed with before is a tough cookie |
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| 08:28.32 | Obligatory | Rick, try : sudo 'cat /var/named/*' # single quotes. |
| 08:29.07 | Nyle | ahh found it |
| 08:29.22 | Obligatory | Nyle, morbid curiosity, what sort of code? |
| 08:29.26 | Nyle | klipperpopup.h |
| 08:29.44 | Nyle | just trying to create a patch for a minor bug in the kde clipboard program |
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| 08:30.01 | Nyle | it seems that in debian, it still lists firefox instead of iceweasel |
| 08:30.20 | H2S04 | heh :p |
| 08:30.20 | Nyle | I'm trying to find out how kde is getting the information from the system about which browsers are installed |
| 08:30.27 | Nyle | so I have to look at the popup generation code |
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| 08:30.31 | H2S04 | well it still uses firefox-bin too :p |
| 08:30.47 | H2S04 | Nyle: iceweasel is firefox with a different name and symbol :p |
| 08:30.50 | Nyle | yeah, i need to examine the popup code |
| 08:30.52 | Obligatory | Nyle, oh... |
| 08:31.05 | Nyle | and then i'll find out if its the problem with klipper or with the iceweasel package |
| 08:32.16 | Nyle | oh man |
| 08:32.18 | Nyle | you know |
| 08:32.24 | Nyle | I don't know how i got myself into thi shehe |
| 08:32.31 | Nyle | I tell myself everyday that I will not code |
| 08:32.38 | Nyle | and yet I end up doing something here and there anyway |
| 08:32.41 | Nyle | :( |
| 08:32.53 | Obligatory | Nyle, this may seem obvious, but did you try somthing like: strings `dlocate -L klipper` | grep firefox |
| 08:33.11 | H2S04 | Nyle: sounds like you need a girl friend :p |
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| 08:34.15 | punsad | is there a good channel for bloggers? |
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| 08:34.27 | R1ck | Obligatory: nope, doesnt work either |
| 08:34.48 | R1ck | sudo: cat /var/named/db*: command not found |
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| 08:35.11 | Obligatory | Rick, which, the single quotes? |
| 08:35.13 | Nyle | Obligatory: I just want to be sure |
| 08:35.19 | R1ck | Obligatory: yes |
| 08:35.27 | simonrvn | R1ck: how about you just leave the glob off instead |
| 08:35.50 | R1ck | it works fine if I specify the exact filename |
| 08:35.52 | simonrvn | i don't think you'll need such a thing (i could be wrong) |
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| 08:36.18 | R1ck | what do you mean, exactly, leave the glob off? |
| 08:36.25 | simonrvn | or, define an alias, like DB_FILES and list each file with full path to it |
| 08:36.34 | Obligatory | Rick, howbout this: sudo cat `echo /var/named/*` |
| 08:36.54 | simonrvn | e.g. DB_FILES = /var/cache/db/foo, /var/cache/db/bar |
| 08:36.58 | R1ck | simonrvn: i dont know the full path, thats why I need it |
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| 08:37.05 | punsad | for i in /var/named/*; do cat $i; done |
| 08:37.14 | simonrvn | then doing cat DB_FILES |
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| 08:37.32 | simonrvn | punsad: this is sudoers not shell |
| 08:37.41 | startxwhite | is a Pentium 133 laptop underpowered to serve as a wireless WPA AP? |
| 08:37.46 | R1ck | Obligatory: then it says cat: /var/named/db*: Permission denied |
| 08:37.48 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 08:37.57 | SlayerXP | Nyle: yes? |
| 08:37.57 | Nyle | I'm fucking stupid *not really* but you know |
| 08:38.03 | Nyle | SlayerXP: hah |
| 08:38.07 | Nyle | anyway |
| 08:38.13 | Nyle | its not a code issue |
| 08:38.17 | Obligatory | Nyle, sounds lucky. |
| 08:38.18 | Nyle | its a problem in the klipperrc file |
| 08:38.41 | Nyle | it seems that the menu for actions being generated is fetching strings specified in the rc file |
| 08:38.47 | Nyle | so basically.... uno momento |
| 08:38.53 | Obligatory | Rick, try plain (no sudo) echo /var/named/* |
| 08:39.15 | Obligatory | s/)/):/ |
| 08:39.24 | Nyle | i need to hilight an URL |
| 08:39.29 | Nyle | http://www.google.com |
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| 08:40.15 | R1ck | $ echo /var/named/* |
| 08:40.15 | R1ck | /var/named/* |
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| 08:40.42 | Obligatory | Rick, argh, my bad. HOld on, I'll go fetch a fine reference. |
| 08:40.45 | simonrvn | !sudoers |
| 08:40.45 | dpkg | sudoers is probably You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 08:40.53 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 08:40.57 | simonrvn | !sudo |
| 08:40.57 | dpkg | it has been said that sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 08:41.05 | simonrvn | ah there |
| 08:41.30 | R1ck | ah.. im having a look |
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| 08:42.55 | jim | is it pronounced sewer dewer? |
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| 08:43.54 | jim | shoot I forgot to get that paste to wols |
| 08:44.08 | R1ck | "The problem with glob expansion is it's implemented by the shell before |
| 08:44.10 | R1ck | sudo is even run. " |
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| 08:44.19 | Nyle | yeh |
| 08:44.19 | R1ck | i guess thats the key issue here.. |
| 08:44.23 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 08:44.26 | Nyle | its easily fixed through this |
| 08:44.37 | Nyle | simply edit the klipper actions, they are saved in a config file |
| 08:44.43 | R1ck | $ ls /var/named/ |
| 08:44.44 | R1ck | ls: /var/named/: Permission denied |
| 08:44.45 | Nyle | its not code related |
| 08:44.50 | jim | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 08:44.57 | Nyle | and information isn't fetched from any debian packages, its just a generic config file |
| 08:45.00 | Nyle | heh |
| 08:45.01 | jim | http://pastebin.ca/903436 |
| 08:45.10 | Nyle | so I guess I'm making a patch |
| 08:45.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 08:45.15 | Nyle | for a config file? |
| 08:45.33 | Obligatory | Rick, best article on the topic I know of: http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/swol-02-1998/swol-02-unix101.html |
| 08:45.46 | simonrvn | that's a good one too |
| 08:45.49 | Nyle | Obligatory: I wasn't aware of dlocate, nice program |
| 08:45.56 | jim | wols: going to store... that part looks fine, and all that part is working, the only thing left is to satisfy the package db |
| 08:46.11 | R1ck | thanks Obligatory.. i think i'll sudo a subshell and run a command or a for or something in there.. |
| 08:47.15 | R1ck | sudo sh -c 'cat /var/named/db*ballegeer.be' |
| 08:47.19 | R1ck | that seems to work |
| 08:47.44 | Obligatory | Nyle, sure.. I heard about dlocate from Guy Steele's web page. |
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| 08:47.59 | simonrvn | dlocate r0x |
| 08:48.04 | prh | can anyone tell me what the kbuild packages actually do? |
| 08:48.05 | Nyle | yeh |
| 08:48.10 | Nyle | how come no one tells me these things |
| 08:48.11 | Nyle | heh |
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| 08:48.22 | Nyle | but you know what is cool |
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| 08:49.23 | Nyle | is that I try hard not to code, and look at me, I don't code... so anyway the problem is easily fixed, I should send in a patch for the config file to make it debian specific, i.e, tell the klipper rc file to do stuff |
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| 08:49.30 | Obligatory | prh, builds kernel modules? |
| 08:49.41 | Nyle | simonrvn: I dont always use the enter key. Sometimes I think complete sentences too :) |
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| 08:50.14 | simonrvn | Nyle: wow |
| 08:50.18 | simonrvn | is that |
| 08:50.23 | simonrvn | for real? :P |
| 08:50.28 | Nyle | shut up |
| 08:50.29 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:51.06 | simonrvn | i find myself doing that a bit too much lately |
| 08:51.19 | Nyle | it happens man, you gotta take a break from irc |
| 08:51.31 | Nyle | I found myself saying irc acronyms in life |
| 08:51.33 | Nyle | like lol |
| 08:51.50 | simonrvn | i spend little time on irc much anymore |
| 08:51.58 | Nyle | yeh me too |
| 08:52.01 | Nyle | well lets find out |
| 08:52.03 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 08:52.03 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:52.25 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:52.29 | Nyle | #7 |
| 08:52.33 | streuner | Nyle at the top :-) |
| 08:52.50 | Nyle | heh |
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| 08:53.31 | simonrvn | #7?! |
| 08:53.35 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 08:53.43 | simonrvn | i gotta talk less |
| 08:53.55 | Nyle | simonrvn: I was just about to tell you to come on irc more often |
| 08:54.18 | streuner | simonrvn: hm, Nyle talks 6-7 times than you :-P |
| 08:54.23 | streuner | more* |
| 08:54.28 | Nyle | I just talk man |
| 08:54.35 | Nyle | I can't help it, and I type quite fast |
| 08:55.24 | Nyle | Nyle talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 55 times! |
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| 08:55.25 | Nyle | Another lonely one was jetscreamer, who managed to hit 7 times. |
| 08:55.30 | Nyle | 55 to 7 |
| 08:56.11 | nekostar | enouf rough housing plz. |
| 08:56.13 | nekostar | <_< |
| 08:56.20 | enouf | ok |
| 08:56.39 | nekostar | hey know of a xeon 2s mobo that takes regular ram? |
| 08:56.49 | Nyle | ##hardware |
| 08:57.04 | nekostar | Nyle im in there |
| 08:57.10 | Nyle | I see that |
| 08:57.12 | nekostar | also interested in it being natively compatable with debian |
| 08:57.14 | nekostar | >.> |
| 08:57.21 | nekostar | ya thats my excuse... *slinks back out* |
| 08:57.24 | simonrvn | #2 is 2003 |
| 08:57.27 | enouf | supermicro or tyan i would guess |
| 08:57.29 | simonrvn | in* |
| 08:57.41 | Nyle | I never used to talk much in the beginning |
| 08:57.47 | enouf | yapper |
| 08:57.50 | Nyle | I just sat there watching learning, not asking much |
| 08:58.02 | nekostar | enouf i'll check those- most ive looked at [all] eccfb only thus far |
| 08:58.04 | enouf | alice |
| 08:58.10 | enouf | blabbermouth |
| 08:58.14 | Nyle | when I finally started talkin in here I had an idea of what I was talking about |
| 08:58.19 | Nyle | enouf: shaddup ;) |
| 08:58.26 | enouf | heh |
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| 08:58.44 | enouf | you mean FB-DIMMs |
| 08:59.03 | Obligatory | That stat page is sobering. It's like some beer bottle club at a bar. |
| 08:59.13 | enouf | that's intel's new registered ram controller thing |
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| 08:59.27 | nekostar | enouf yeh |
| 08:59.49 | enouf | nekostar: oh a certain Gigabyte can use ddr2 or 3 |
| 08:59.59 | enouf | nekostar: but core2duo i think |
| 09:00.09 | enouf | why xeon? |
| 09:00.21 | nekostar | dual quad |
| 09:00.26 | Nyle | I think Obligatory it is fun |
| 09:00.27 | nekostar | heavy network/vm emulation |
| 09:00.30 | Obligatory | Nyle, relatives of yours?: http://www.rediscov.com/sacknerarchives/browsecollections.aspx |
| 09:00.33 | Nyle | silly fun |
| 09:00.45 | enouf | http://techgage.com/print/gigabyte_ga-p35c-ds3r nekostar |
| 09:01.04 | nekostar | yeah thats a 1s board tho |
| 09:01.21 | Nyle | gigabyte ftw |
| 09:01.24 | nekostar | that board worx with up to e8400 and q series in the 6's |
| 09:01.46 | Nyle | I have a 89$ mobo that pushes 500 fsb on a core 2 making it at 3.5ghz |
| 09:01.54 | Nyle | I love gb mobos |
| 09:03.01 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 09:03.26 | enouf | night |
| 09:03.34 | Nyle | cya |
| 09:03.41 | nekostar | Nyle i assume that you did aftermarket cooling on northbridge or w/e then |
| 09:03.52 | Nyle | nope |
| 09:04.02 | Nyle | mch cooling is only needed past 500fsb |
| 09:04.14 | nekostar | what temps on the thing? |
| 09:04.17 | Nyle | but I just stuck a 5000rpm tiny little powerful friggin fan on it |
| 09:04.18 | enouf | nekostar: i would steer clear of quad-cores just yet |
| 09:04.19 | Obligatory | Nyle, ...then there's Cory Fuka, now that's a guy who rolls his pizza thin. |
| 09:04.26 | nekostar | enouf not a chance |
| 09:04.32 | nekostar | either q66 or dual xeons |
| 09:04.34 | Nyle | can't top 35C under normal cool room temp |
| 09:04.37 | enouf | nope |
| 09:04.44 | Nyle | under full load in warm climate, 45C max |
| 09:04.45 | nekostar | enouf i need the power |
| 09:04.52 | Nyle | hardly ever seen it go to 50 |
| 09:04.54 | enouf | dual-cores kill them |
| 09:04.54 | Nyle | er.. |
| 09:05.00 | nekostar | enouf kill what |
| 09:05.03 | enouf | add more dualies |
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| 09:05.10 | enouf | you heard me |
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| 09:05.19 | Nyle | Obligatory: I'm sorry, why are you telling me about visual poetry and pizza? |
| 09:05.33 | nekostar | q66 is stable oc to 3.0 to 3.2 on stock heatsync |
| 09:05.43 | nekostar | i know a half dozen ppl whove done personally |
| 09:05.45 | enouf | GHz means nothing |
| 09:05.50 | nekostar | absolutely |
| 09:05.52 | Nyle | well |
| 09:05.56 | nekostar | but all the q66 is is dual e66 |
| 09:05.56 | Nyle | it does mean something |
| 09:06.06 | Nyle | I wouldn't say nothing |
| 09:06.10 | enouf | ok, a little bit |
| 09:06.14 | Nyle | thats better |
| 09:06.16 | nekostar | no point in spending on dual e66's when a. q66 is cheaper and b. the lag is less |
| 09:06.19 | enouf | aye |
| 09:06.35 | nekostar | still no on board memcontroller tho ~_~ |
| 09:06.36 | enouf | lag? bwahahaha |
| 09:06.42 | enouf | go amd |
| 09:06.46 | Nyle | what |
| 09:06.47 | Nyle | fuck amd |
| 09:06.51 | enouf | lol |
| 09:06.52 | nekostar | lol |
| 09:07.00 | Nyle | core 2 bend amd over |
| 09:07.02 | nekostar | actually amd has found a spot in my heart |
| 09:07.03 | Nyle | seriously |
| 09:07.04 | enouf | predjudiced a bit? |
| 09:07.08 | Nyle | not at all |
| 09:07.08 | nekostar | cheap quad systems where i work |
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| 09:07.15 | Nyle | I just know a good product when I see it |
| 09:07.23 | nekostar | 750 us gets you amd quad with 3gigs ram 500gig hdd and 2400xt |
| 09:07.23 | Nyle | pre core 2, go with AMD |
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| 09:07.37 | Nyle | don't bother with pentiums and what not |
| 09:07.38 | nekostar | not bad considering cheapest comparable system with q66 is 300 more. |
| 09:07.46 | Nyle | either its core 2 now, or amd |
| 09:07.51 | enouf | for ondie ram controllers can't beat em .. clusterfuck those suckers using numa |
| 09:07.56 | nekostar | 6000+ is decent chip |
| 09:07.56 | Nyle | and from those two, intel wins |
| 09:08.04 | Obligatory | Nyle, Concrete poets, thin lines. Fuka, a prolicific often inspired "Gutters" poster. It's complimentary really, well the latter is.. |
| 09:08.11 | xoqa | Setting up plone-site (2.5.2-3) ... |
| 09:08.12 | xoqa | dzhandle make-instance: service user must be specified as user:group |
| 09:08.19 | xoqa | what might this mean? it didn't ask me for a username or password. i had installed plone-site on ubuntu once before not knowing it was what i was wanting. i removed it, and now i've reinstalled with this message at the end of the install |
| 09:08.20 | enouf | intel loses in non-consumer crap |
| 09:08.30 | nekostar | xoqa ubuntu? |
| 09:08.35 | Nyle | Obligatory: I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm afraid I'm not cultured enough for poetry and art. |
| 09:08.35 | nekostar | this is debian...... |
| 09:08.36 | xoqa | yep |
| 09:08.50 | nekostar | also did you try man packagename |
| 09:08.52 | nekostar | and also google |
| 09:08.53 | xoqa | ubuntu is based on debian, i thought you guys might be able to help |
| 09:08.57 | nekostar | and dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:08.57 | Nyle | Obligatory: I spend 22 years on the guitar, that is the only 'art' (noisemaking really) that I know. |
| 09:09.02 | Nyle | !based on debian |
| 09:09.02 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 09:09.02 | xoqa | i did try google |
| 09:09.06 | nekostar | xoqa but they got thier own chan for just htis reason lol |
| 09:09.10 | nekostar | *this |
| 09:09.11 | Nyle | !ubuntu |
| 09:09.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:09.31 | xoqa | wow |
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| 09:09.36 | nekostar | ^^ |
| 09:09.39 | xoqa | seems this has came up before then :) |
| 09:09.43 | nekostar | try the other two things i mentioned first ok? |
| 09:09.47 | xoqa | #ubuntu is def. no help |
| 09:09.52 | xoqa | kk |
| 09:10.00 | Nyle | xoqa: install debian and we'll help you all day long every day |
| 09:10.07 | nekostar | what he says ;) |
| 09:10.18 | nekostar | fyi debian is more efficiant than ubuntu any day of the week |
| 09:10.25 | nekostar | weekends included at no extra charge |
| 09:10.25 | Nyle | except sunday |
| 09:10.29 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 09:10.29 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 09:10.34 | xoqa | nekostar: how so? |
| 09:10.46 | enouf | on a lighter note; http://news.smh.com.au/nanofibers-could-power-your-ipod-study/20080214-1s7t.html Sparky!! ;-) |
| 09:10.51 | nekostar | debian spends more time getting things rock solid and stable |
| 09:10.57 | RaymondX | is there a window manager much lighter than fluxbox? |
| 09:10.58 | enouf | now the NSA can track the weenies no matter where they roam |
| 09:10.59 | nekostar | consider ubuntu the unstable/testing debian |
| 09:10.59 | nekostar | os[Linux 2.6.22-14-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[1 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes] | cpu[Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2160 @ 1.80GHz SMP (2 processors), 2690.063 MHz (10764.45 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 3080x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Co |
| 09:11.00 | nekostar | rporation with driver 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46] |
| 09:11.03 | nekostar | dar |
| 09:11.05 | nekostar | !lenny |
| 09:11.05 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
| 09:11.07 | nekostar | !sid |
| 09:11.08 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 09:11.11 | tralala | RaymondX, evilwm |
| 09:11.12 | Nyle | RaymondX: twm, pekwm, ratpoison |
| 09:11.14 | nekostar | neh? |
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| 09:11.26 | Nyle | you want to kill your rodent? |
| 09:11.29 | RaymondX | tnx |
| 09:11.30 | Nyle | try ratpoison |
| 09:11.36 | Obligatory | Nyle,noise is in the ear of the "behearer", belistener, be...??? |
| 09:11.37 | tralala | nekostar, stop flooding my screen, please |
| 09:11.37 | Nyle | 100% full keyboard |
| 09:11.41 | nekostar | for ease of use at home im usually bored enough to use ubuntu but for servers or anything that matters i use debian |
| 09:11.52 | Nyle | Obligatory: you can be a better judge of that |
| 09:11.56 | RaymondX | Nyle: what do you recommend? |
| 09:12.06 | hatter | is there a vncserver for debian for web viewing ? |
| 09:12.22 | Nyle | RaymondX: kde |
| 09:12.22 | tralala | hatter, /msg dpkg search |
| 09:12.33 | Nyle | RaymondX: if you can't run kde, then use any box wm |
| 09:12.35 | tralala | !Nyle++ |
| 09:12.41 | Nyle | flux/open/black, blah blah |
| 09:12.47 | Nyle | tralala: hola |
| 09:13.04 | xoqa | RaymondX: I really enjoy xmonad |
| 09:13.19 | Nyle | Obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv31OzzK0Ug <-- noise to the who? |
| 09:13.24 | kuber | i prefer xgonad |
| 09:13.44 | Nyle | I hear good things about open box |
| 09:13.55 | Nyle | but fluxbox has tabbed windows |
| 09:13.57 | xoqa | good one kuber, good one |
| 09:14.00 | xoqa | ;) |
| 09:14.16 | Obligatory | Nyle, sorry no tube, I'm on dialup, with a torrent DL'ing in the background. |
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| 09:14.23 | RaymondX | it takes new programs so much time to register on the fluxbox menu |
| 09:14.37 | Obligatory | I'll note it tho! |
| 09:14.54 | enouf | RaymondX: dwm as well |
| 09:14.57 | Obligatory | A midi file would be OK though. |
| 09:15.01 | xoqa | my only complaint concerning xmonad is its default way of handling floating windows |
| 09:15.17 | Nyle | Obligatory: http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/sad.mp3 |
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| 09:18.03 | DocPlatypus | Obligatory: there's always youtube-dl |
| 09:18.15 | DocPlatypus | but yes with a torrent going at the same time on dialup I wouldn't push it |
| 09:18.29 | xoqa | note, xmonad is based off dwm |
| 09:18.38 | Obligatory | RaymondX, for something really minimal there's 'ion2' or 'ion3'... |
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| 09:19.08 | xoqa | and xmonad uses haskell whereas dwm uses c or c++? |
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| 09:19.32 | xoqa | not saying which is better, it's probably a matter of preference |
| 09:19.51 | xoqa | i like the xmonad irc channel though, they were really helpful |
| 09:19.51 | Obligatory | Nyle, DocPlatypus insufficient bandwidth for multimedia right now. Links logged for later. I do use youtube.dl ... |
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| 09:20.47 | Obligatory | xoqa, I keep meaning to learn Haskell. |
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| 09:21.31 | xoqa | same here :) |
| 09:22.01 | xoqa | i need to get a better grip on python and c/c++ first though |
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| 09:22.35 | enouf | RaymondX: run update-menus |
| 09:22.47 | req | anybody help me with vsftpd: - how create user with right to access directory for writing |
| 09:22.59 | RaymondX | enouf: tnx |
| 09:23.18 | Obligatory | xoqa, It's a war of languages on the mindshare battlefield... |
| 09:23.36 | xoqa | perhaps one day we'll all be wanting to learn lojban? |
| 09:23.47 | RaymondX | enouf: didnt work |
| 09:24.20 | Obligatory | xoqa, I wish the man pages were written in something like that, then translated out to various languages. |
| 09:24.31 | RaymondX | is there a program that display the running processes so i can turn it off like gnome's system monitor? |
| 09:24.42 | Obligatory | man pages don't need polysemy. |
| 09:24.49 | enouf | RaymondX: conky? |
| 09:25.10 | Obligatory | RayMagini: apt-get install htop |
| 09:25.32 | xoqa | Obligatory: that's a good point, i've never thought about that |
| 09:25.34 | enouf | RaymondX: /msg dpkg doesn't work .. and read your dm docs |
| 09:25.44 | Obligatory | Argh. RaymondX : apt-get install hto |
| 09:26.05 | enouf | try again? |
| 09:26.09 | Obligatory | ahem, apt-get install htop |
| 09:26.48 | RaymondX | sorry im just a noob...hehehe |
| 09:26.50 | Obligatory | xoqa, now please implement it. |
| 09:27.42 | xoqa | srry, too busy learning japanese :| |
| 09:28.10 | Obligatory | xoqa, it's the Manga isn't it? |
| 09:28.15 | xoqa | anime |
| 09:28.17 | xoqa | :) |
| 09:28.28 | RaymondX | tnx obligatory...although i was something more "graphical" :) |
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| 09:28.54 | RaymondX | i mean i was *expecting something more graphical |
| 09:29.06 | Obligatory | Masaka Nozowa is a talented actress. |
| 09:29.10 | xoqa | ..and the fact that i've 2 good japanese friends |
| 09:29.40 | req | here is my config http://pastebin.ca/903463 |
| 09:30.09 | Obligatory | RayMagini, htop is easy, plus the graphical stuff just dies when the system gets hogged by some evil proc. |
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| 09:30.43 | Obligatory | RaymondX, I mean, man there's a lot of Rays here. |
| 09:31.16 | Aoshi | hi guys, I have a md0 raid level 1, I need to umount it and release the two partitions (sda6 and sdb1) to reformat them and remount them without the raid, I did a backup of all my data, how can I umount the raid? |
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| 09:32.17 | Obligatory | Aoshi, as root 'umount /dev/sda6'? |
| 09:32.40 | Obligatory | Is raid special for unmounting? |
| 09:32.51 | Aoshi | Obligatory: sda6 its not mounted, I have mounted md0, I can umount md0 but I need to destroy the raid |
| 09:33.07 | Aoshi | Obligatory: after a restart my debian server should boot without the raid |
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| 09:33.32 | Aoshi | Obligatory: I get: root@windu:/vz/resp# umount /vz |
| 09:33.32 | Aoshi | umount: /vz: dispositivo ocupado |
| 09:33.40 | Aoshi | (device bussy) |
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| 09:33.55 | Nyle | hehe |
| 09:33.57 | Nyle | occupado |
| 09:34.03 | Nyle | hehe hehehe |
| 09:34.10 | danisahne | idimmu: good morning, thx again know it running, not running 100%fine but working |
| 09:34.26 | Obligatory | Aoshi, is some file open on the raid? |
| 09:35.00 | Aoshi | Obligatory: http://rafb.net/p/FIu5Ni11.html |
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| 09:35.46 | idimmu | danisahne: cool |
| 09:35.52 | idimmu | what are the probs? |
| 09:36.05 | Aoshi | Obligatory: done, I did the umount correctly :D |
| 09:36.22 | Aoshi | Obligatory: witch files should I edit to remove the raid config and recover each partition? |
| 09:37.29 | Obligatory | Aoshi, well glad you umount'ed it. For raid config, I'd guess '/etc/fstab', no? For partitions, 'qtparted'. |
| 09:38.07 | Aoshi | Obligatory: I have this entry in my /etc/fstab /dev/md0 /vz ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 09:38.28 | Obligatory | Aoshi, comment it out : # ... |
| 09:38.57 | Aoshi | it don't talk about sda6 and sdb1, the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file should not be there in a clear debian system? |
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| 09:39.56 | Obligatory | Aoshi, on general principles, I'd guess it shouldn't matter. (but I've never used raid) |
| 09:40.09 | danisahne | idimmu: domU hangs for a while at "Loading Hardware Driver" and xm list shows ------ |
| 09:40.21 | idimmu | weird |
| 09:40.26 | Obligatory | Aoshi, but when in doubt, back your files up. |
| 09:40.27 | danisahne | very :) |
| 09:40.31 | idimmu | is that similar to the problems you had before? |
| 09:40.37 | danisahne | no |
| 09:40.53 | danisahne | every time others problems ;) |
| 09:41.01 | Obligatory | Aoshi, your config files I mean... |
| 09:41.02 | danisahne | also the vmware scsi bus driver was a problem |
| 09:41.10 | Aoshi | Obligatory: ok |
| 09:41.15 | danisahne | tried the other one and works ... ugly ^^ |
| 09:42.00 | Obligatory | Well, suddenly I must needs depart. Bye folks... |
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| 09:42.26 | Octo_DEB | Any stunnel users aronud? |
| 09:44.52 | Shadur | Feb 14 10:41:45 ns named[32589]: fcntl(fd, F_DUPFD, 20): Too many open files |
| 09:45.32 | Aoshi | Obligatory: what about the mtab info? |
| 09:45.48 | Shadur | There's currently about two thousand domains (including reverse) on this nameserver (bind8). Is there a way to increase the number of allowed open files, and if so, where do I start looking? Alternately, does bind9 handle things better? |
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| 09:50.44 | joltcan | Shadur: perhaps you can increase /proc/sys/fs/file-max ? |
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| 09:56.46 | Shadur | joltcan: It's already at 50,000+. |
| 09:56.59 | joltcan | Shadur: put it to 200k then |
| 09:57.25 | joltcan | sysctl -w fs.file-max=200000 |
| 09:57.39 | joltcan | and dont forget to put that in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:57.54 | Shadur | Just did. Still getting the same error. |
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| 09:58.08 | Bushmills | Shadur: try how maradns performs - it caches all zones in memory (and therefore, will need a lot). seems to be quite fast as result, but will take a long time to start, and load all zones. |
| 09:58.45 | vyrus001 | my wifi card cant associate to ap's, iwconfig shows the card up, i can change modes, kismet works, iwl3945 driver with working fimware? |
| 09:59.05 | Bushmills | and it also needs a good implementation odf threads |
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| 10:00.35 | haary | I can't recompile Debian linux kernel any more. I recompile them to get CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y |
| 10:00.48 | haary | set to CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m (I use dazuko) |
| 10:01.05 | haary | Now I get "ABI has changed! Refusing to continue" |
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| 10:02.22 | haary | It worked before, with 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 ist doesn't work any more |
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| 10:03.11 | joltcan | Shadur: Perhaps you can increase the limit in /etc/security/limits.conf for the user running bind, but I'm not sure if the problem is bind or the os |
| 10:03.14 | Aoshi | Obligatory: Im ok, my raid its death and I have the partitions working tnks :P |
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| 10:07.11 | Shadur | I'm not either, which is the problem. |
| 10:07.26 | Shadur | Bind's done well by me for over a decade so far, and... |
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| 10:09.26 | xlotlu | why would dns lookups fail all of a sudden in all kde apps? |
| 10:09.40 | Bushmills | because the DNS is down? |
| 10:10.00 | Bushmills | but, better you tell us - you're sitting at the point where it happens |
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| 10:10.43 | endra | hey |
| 10:12.21 | zophy | arcturus, dns-server.org is ok to use for your basic free dns services, they like debian |
| 10:12.26 | jimlay | the program I'm packaging has a small component that runs as a daemon that requires root to start and then drops the privledges to another uid/guid. I'm not sure how to handle adding a user/group in a package install. any tips where to look? |
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| 10:12.49 | jimlay | googling adding group package install debian and flavors didn't help much |
| 10:13.09 | avtobiff | jimlay, why does the daemon need root privs to start? |
| 10:13.30 | jimlay | It doesn't. It could have other privedges |
| 10:13.34 | jimlay | but it modifies /etc/motd |
| 10:14.14 | jimlay | It could start with as say 'motd' and have etc/motd be owned by the daemon. |
| 10:14.40 | jimlay | that doesn't really alleviate the problem though. |
| 10:14.41 | avtobiff | jimlay, ok |
| 10:14.44 | avtobiff | no |
| 10:14.56 | jimlay | BWT, is there a standard template for debian init scripts? |
| 10:15.18 | jimlay | I found a blank looking thing with the same effect but I don't feel like it's what most packages are generated from. |
| 10:16.24 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.29 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.36 | jim | man init |
| 10:16.41 | jim | man 5 inittab |
| 10:16.48 | jimlay | lol. |
| 10:16.51 | jimlay | that was simple. |
| 10:16.55 | jimlay | thanks |
| 10:17.01 | avtobiff | jimlay, maybe this gives some hints: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.9 |
| 10:17.18 | jim | also look at the other scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 10:17.31 | jim | also take a look at man update-rc.d |
| 10:18.31 | jim | and look at the symlinks in /etc/rc3.d |
| 10:19.05 | jim | a helper tool is described in man start-stop-daemon |
| 10:20.39 | jim | that otta keep you busy for a minute :) |
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| 10:25.08 | jimlay | avtobiff - verry helpfill in deed. |
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| 10:25.46 | dmitriy | hi2all |
| 10:26.08 | jimlay | another option would be to use a group that already exists like daemon or adm. That is worse than adding my own group though by what I just read. |
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| 10:27.17 | jimlay | It looks like adding the group in postinst and having the files have that group name is the way to do it. And I'd have to talk with the base-passwd maintainer if I wanted to get my package in the repository. |
| 10:27.41 | jimlay | is debian-devel a reference to the freenode channel? or the mailing list? I'm gessing the latter. |
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| 10:27.55 | jimlay | yes the later. |
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| 10:30.48 | reiffert | Hi. How can I tell the application "dialog" to search in a specified directory for ..share/terminfo/? |
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| 10:33.17 | liable | yay, compizzle on the eee with xfce |
| 10:34.05 | reiffert | by setting TERMINFO= thanks |
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| 10:36.19 | kyaneos | hi |
| 10:36.31 | kyaneos | i am trying to install nvidia-legacy driver on sid from source but i cannot |
| 10:36.39 | kyaneos | i have followed the debian wiki guide |
| 10:36.49 | kyaneos | i am using the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 10:37.41 | jim | got headers? |
| 10:37.48 | Jygzygyzel | how do you get that cool Tab bar at the bottom of a screen? |
| 10:38.02 | xored | i would like to configure grub that way, that if the last boot fails, he should use a other kernel on the next boot. That simply because iam remote and i only have a hw-reset optioin and need to make a new kernel.. |
| 10:38.15 | jim | you need to pay the cool Tab bartenders! |
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| 10:39.56 | jim | Jygzygyzel, umm there are so many different kinds of bars that go at the bottom, top, left, right of your screen |
| 10:40.23 | jim | you're going to have to find out which one you want, then install that |
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| 11:56.49 | Zambezi | ix: Not sure. You could if you're unlucky, but if it says "Not a LUKS-partion", try to move the harddrive to another channel. That worked for me. I disconnected all harddrives and then forgot which harddrive it was so I connected one at the time, but didn't get errormessages. And then it magically worked again. |
| 11:57.16 | ix | Hmm. Seems like an unfeasible solution, seeing as I only encrypt the hard drive on my laptop. |
| 11:58.17 | Zambezi | ix: I switched to TrueCrypt, but now I have another problem with that. TC 5.0 depends on X which I don't like. |
| 11:58.43 | wols | how does it depend on X? |
| 11:58.49 | vlt | tc depends on X ... wtf? |
| 11:58.58 | ix | weird. |
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| 12:00.13 | Zambezi | wols: vlt When i monted by remote, it said something about X and when I monuted on the computer (local) I got a window when where I needed to type the password. |
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| 12:00.47 | liable | hrm, i cant see in the man page. whats the switch for m-a to make it not check for a new package before build? |
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| 12:01.57 | tralala | liable, I've never seen m-a checking for a new package |
| 12:02.08 | Zambezi | I can't remember the errormessages and can't check since I'm running another distro now on the computer. |
| 12:02.09 | liable | tralala: it does by default |
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| 12:02.24 | tralala | liable, on etch? |
| 12:02.28 | liable | sid |
| 12:02.38 | tralala | bleh... sid users |
| 12:02.49 | liable | tralala: i doubt its new to sid. |
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| 12:03.41 | tralala | liable, it doesn't check anything on etch - just unpacks and builds (that is m-a build) |
| 12:04.01 | liable | tralala: if you use a-i it does |
| 12:04.19 | tralala | so don't use a-i |
| 12:04.22 | liable | tralala: i just found out myself that build doesnt do the check, so problem solved |
| 12:04.40 | tralala | liable, you're welcome |
| 12:05.00 | liable | tralala: i found it out myself! |
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| 12:05.16 | tralala | liable, yeah... right |
| 12:05.23 | muramasa | Hi there. Has anyone experienced a significally loss of performance after upgrading to 'testing'? In stable, my computer ran without problems, but now I cant even surf the web without getting a 'lag'. Unfortunately for me, I'm about as skilled as a frog when it comes to troubleshooting, so could anyone give me any pointers? |
| 12:05.29 | liable | !beat tralala |
| 12:05.42 | tralala | !irritate liable |
| 12:05.43 | dpkg | liable: hi every1 who uses gnome lol |
| 12:05.52 | liable | @annoy tralala |
| 12:05.53 | ravenbird | tralala: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 12:07.12 | tralala | muramasa, don't use anything but stable. How's that for a pointer? |
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| 12:07.21 | daba | http://tipovidaba.bloger.hr/ |
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| 12:09.12 | Knight_Lord | How do I delete a really long list of files with xargs? |
| 12:09.12 | fireba11 | muramasa : sounds like you should stick to stable then :-) |
| 12:09.27 | muramasa | tralala, can't disagree with you there, but seeing as the stable release seem to hate my sound card, I thought I'd try my luck with testing .. |
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| 12:09.56 | up_the_irons | Knight_Lord: i don't know with xargs, but with regular find it is: find . -type f -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 12:10.07 | LinAsH | Hi, when setting up debian/rules to create a package: how to modify the $PATH to include a path needed by the ./configure? I was told that 'PATH=$PATH:path ./configure' is not the correct way of doing it. |
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| 12:10.21 | bazik | muramasa: i had the same problem, upgrading to testing on a 'test'box, trying to get beryl working |
| 12:10.24 | up_the_irons | Knight_Lord: that assumes you want to delete every file in a directory (the current ".") |
| 12:10.36 | fireba11 | muramasa: well checked what process comsumes the resources ? |
| 12:10.37 | bazik | muramasa: but dunno how much of this 'lag' was related to my xorg hacks :-) |
| 12:10.37 | Knight_Lord | up_the_irons thanks I didn't think of that :) |
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| 12:10.53 | up_the_irons | Knight_Lord: no prob |
| 12:11.13 | tralala | muramasa, did you try asking here for help with your sound card before upgrading? |
| 12:11.41 | muramasa | tralala, yes, had a quite long discussion about it yesterday. actually here the suggestion to upgrade to testing came up |
| 12:12.05 | wols | a backport of alsa might have been a better choice |
| 12:12.10 | wols | or simply a backported kernel |
| 12:12.10 | up_the_irons | LinAsH: i would think that putting PATH in front of configure would do the trick (like you pointed out), but maybe there's a better way |
| 12:12.14 | Knight_Lord | How is it possible that "man man" doesn't work? |
| 12:12.24 | Knight_Lord | No manual entry for man |
| 12:12.26 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 12:12.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:12.47 | tralala | muramasa, this is one of the problems with this channel - too many cluebies recommending testing/unstable |
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| 12:13.08 | wols | Knight_Lord: install man-db |
| 12:13.24 | Knight_Lord | wols already newest version |
| 12:13.44 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.45 | wols | man-db: /usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz |
| 12:13.45 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz is installed! |
| 12:13.46 | muramasa | fireba11, actually less than 10% of both cpu and memory is in use |
| 12:14.01 | wols | !tell Knight_Lord about search |
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| 12:14.13 | Knight_Lord | wols the file is there |
| 12:14.14 | muramasa | tralala, ah, guess that is a problem indeed. |
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| 12:14.29 | Knight_Lord | wols I'm asking what could cause man not to find it |
| 12:14.30 | wols | reconfigure the package then? |
| 12:15.09 | Knight_Lord | dpkg-reconfigure man-db didn't fix it |
| 12:15.21 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.45 | liable | tralala: why is kde broken on my sid?!?! LOLZ |
| 12:15.48 | wols | also man mandb |
| 12:16.01 | wols | liable: cause you run etch, duh! |
| 12:16.30 | liable | fuck sake, no wonder its borken! |
| 12:16.49 | wols | aso how does your eee like etch? |
| 12:17.09 | tralala | muramasa, reinstall etch and try to backport alsa, get newer kernel... that sort of things. Don't mess with testing |
| 12:17.19 | Knight_Lord | wols i can't man mandb, I can |
| 12:17.23 | Knight_Lord | can't man anything |
| 12:17.31 | liable | its running sid. i dont think etch installer likes it, so i had to install with lenny installer, so i upgraded to sid |
| 12:17.44 | liable | and its going quite nice, even compizzle works |
| 12:17.53 | tralala | liable, why is debina so s10w!!11 |
| 12:17.55 | wols | what videocard does it use? |
| 12:18.10 | Knight_Lord | wols /usr/share/man is in manpath.config |
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| 12:18.15 | wols | tralala: then don't run it on a geode |
| 12:19.09 | Knight_Lord | wols I found the problem, thanks |
| 12:19.25 | wols | what was it? |
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| 12:20.15 | Knight_Lord | wols due to a rogue .cshrc entry MANPATH was set and so /etc/manpath.conf was not used |
| 12:20.20 | tralala | wols, I'm running it on my electrial toothbrush and it has reduced its speed alot |
| 12:20.31 | muramasa | tralala, I have no clue how to do either of them, but is it possible to recieve support with that here so I can switch back to etch then?;) |
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| 12:20.58 | wols | tralala: evreyone knows that only netbsd runs well on household appliances. are you a noob? |
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| 12:21.03 | tralala | muramasa, yes, it is. |
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| 12:21.51 | tralala | wols, NOOB! Me noob!!! Hey, buddy, I've been running linux for the last 10 weekz non stop! |
| 12:21.52 | muramasa | awesome! I'll be back in approx. 40 minutes with annoying questions then :-) |
| 12:22.12 | muramasa | sorry for being an eternal pain in the butt |
| 12:22.57 | muramasa | :D |
| 12:23.00 | tralala | on a more serious note, is 2.6.22 from bpo exploitable? |
| 12:23.12 | wols | tralala: of course |
| 12:23.53 | jimlay | start-stop-daemon is not detecting that my daemon is running and I can not figure this out. |
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| 12:24.15 | tralala | it hasn't been updated for quite a while. I wonder if it is abandonned. |
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| 12:25.31 | itisovernow | how can i delete all histroy everything i ever played with mplayer xine and went to internet site permanently so none can see the history in suse? |
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| 12:27.14 | debian | Will luks work in stable luks? |
| 12:27.36 | debian | stable etch |
| 12:28.44 | yaboo | for iptables where would the script reside |
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| 12:29.07 | wols | yaboo: several possible locations |
| 12:29.36 | tralala | yaboo, I use an "up" line in interfaces to setup the firewall |
| 12:29.56 | yaboo | wols ok, is there something like gentoo where iptables reside in the var/lib/iptabes file |
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| 12:30.06 | wols | yaboo: no |
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| 12:30.57 | untitled | hi, where can i get cedega package for deb? |
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| 12:31.25 | wols | untitled: from cedega |
| 12:32.01 | untitled | oh, yes, thanks) |
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| 12:32.03 | yaboo | tralala, currently using a /etc/network/ip-up.d/00-firewall |
| 12:32.12 | checkers | hi all, I noticed in the output from `w`, some users just show like this for WHAT: sshd: project [priv]. How can I hide my session like this? |
| 12:32.14 | yaboo | as my firewall script |
| 12:32.21 | yaboo | is that all I need to do |
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| 12:37.09 | jimlay | checkers: those users are using sudo |
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| 12:37.35 | jimlay | if you look in /proc/ at the numerical id's you can see all the running processes on the system. |
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| 12:38.16 | smallGnome | I went from ACPI to APM because the lid on my laptop caused the computer to crash. Now everything works well except the power button, which switches off the computer immediately, without a regular shutdown. Is there a simple way to fix this? |
| 12:38.22 | jimlay | I've written custom hacks of bash that put random data in those fields but I'm pretty sure you could always still look at the original arguments/exec in proc. |
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| 12:38.38 | dokma | hi guys |
| 12:38.50 | dokma | my clamd is killing my apache response time |
| 12:39.10 | dokma | what would be a good way to make apache run with better priority? |
| 12:39.20 | dokma | modify /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
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| 12:39.29 | jimlay | checkers: You might be able to get it completely hidden by chmoding the proc files on your processes. But I don't know of an automated way to make it so no one can read the basic data about your proceses from /proc (besides some kernel patches for security that I know do it) |
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| 12:41.47 | checkers | jimlay: thanks for the tip |
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| 12:43.28 | wols | Hard__Gay: don't do this |
| 12:43.45 | wols | actually, best leave this network and don#t come back |
| 12:43.47 | tralala | !ops 14:42 -Hard__Gay:#debian- You have 1 new message. Type /server mail to read. |
| 12:43.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tralala complains about: 14:42 -Hard__Gay:#debian- You have 1 new message. Type /server mail to read. |
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| 12:45.59 | voltage | Whats happening today? |
| 12:46.19 | Hard__Gay | nothing |
| 12:46.25 | Hard__Gay | watching the game, having a bud |
| 12:46.30 | Hard__Gay | WHAAAAZUP? |
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| 12:46.55 | RichiH | tralala: acl |
| 12:46.56 | RichiH | ack |
| 12:47.04 | streuner_ | thanks RichiH |
| 12:47.23 | tralala | thank you, RichiH |
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| 12:47.37 | RichiH | de nada |
| 12:47.50 | danisahne | idimmu: have you ever done something with libvirt? |
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| 12:48.48 | voltage | haven't seen that wazzzzup for a while |
| 12:49.13 | streuner_ | you didnt miss much ;-) |
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| 12:51.13 | voltage | lol @ streuner_ |
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| 12:52.14 | voltage | man I have been beating the streets for a good 2 months now looking for a full time IT job and no dice. Was better off when I had my little computer repair business (besides going in debt) |
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| 12:54.04 | danisahne | anybody done something with libvirt python bindings? i cant connect to xend |
| 12:54.06 | danisahne | ttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55955/ |
| 12:54.22 | danisahne | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55955/ |
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| 12:56.02 | tralala | danisahne, ask #python |
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| 12:56.42 | danisahne | ok thx |
| 12:56.50 | tralala | danisahne, wc |
| 12:57.20 | checkers | is the command `last` meant to show root log ons? |
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| 12:57.37 | tralala | checkers, it's meant to show what it shows |
| 12:57.59 | idimmu | danisahne: not yet, no |
| 12:58.02 | idimmu | it looks interesting though |
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| 12:58.28 | checkers | tralala: it's not showing any root logons, which is why I'm asking |
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| 12:59.13 | tralala | checkers, are there any root logons at all? |
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| 13:00.04 | checkers | [root@localhost ~]# last root |
| 13:00.04 | checkers | wtmp begins Fri Feb 8 08:37:47 2008 |
| 13:00.04 | danisahne | idimmu: i have to get data of the domU`s but i cant connect at all :/ |
| 13:00.05 | checkers | [root@localhost ~]# |
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| 13:00.22 | checkers | that's what it's showing me, and it has logins for all other users |
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| 13:00.45 | tralala | checkers, and how do you logon as root? Using su/sudo? |
| 13:01.01 | checkers | yes, always |
| 13:01.09 | tralala | that's why |
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| 13:01.29 | checkers | thanks |
| 13:01.37 | tralala | checkers, you're welcome |
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| 13:01.59 | idimmu | that libvert thing looks like it is because you should be trying to open xen://localhost/ perhaps danisahne |
| 13:02.19 | idimmu | can you connect to any of the domU's consoles locally? (xm console <domu>)? |
| 13:02.26 | checkers | where is the sudo log kept? |
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| 13:03.13 | tralala | checkers, /var/log/auth.log |
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| 13:09.44 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:09.45 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 13:10.18 | foobar9 | hi whats the state regarding debian packaging of callweaver? |
| 13:10.59 | danisahne | idimmu: sure i can connect to the consoles of domus |
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| 13:11.52 | tralala | foobar9, it's in a binary state |
| 13:12.12 | foobar9 | tralala: ? |
| 13:12.20 | tralala | foobar9, it's either packaged or not |
| 13:12.27 | muramasa | Woho, back on etch :) |
| 13:12.36 | danisahne | idimmu: haha its an remote error |
| 13:12.38 | danisahne | :) |
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| 13:12.41 | tralala | foobar9, /msg dpkg search |
| 13:12.54 | foobar9 | tralala: there is a package in the svn |
| 13:12.55 | idimmu | :) |
| 13:13.06 | danisahne | on my home server its another type of remote error lol |
| 13:13.10 | foobar9 | tralala: but it seems there is no activity |
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| 13:13.20 | danisahne | there he cant find certificates |
| 13:13.39 | foobar9 | tralala: i did hope somebody from the debian-voip theam is around |
| 13:14.01 | tralala | foobar9, I don't think many devs hang out in here |
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| 13:14.46 | tralala | muramasa, and your sound is not working? |
| 13:14.53 | cardbus | ...cos its not now, not in sid either.... |
| 13:15.14 | muramasa | tralala, that is correct :-( |
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| 13:16.48 | debian | Does debian etch support lusk? |
| 13:16.51 | muramasa | tralala, guess backporting alsa is the first thing I should try :-) |
| 13:16.54 | tralala | muramasa, is it a kernel or userspace problem? |
| 13:17.04 | wouter__ | hi all, I'm having bit of a problem with lvm2 under etch |
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| 13:17.41 | wouter__ | tried to create a mirror lv, with the log on the same pv's as the mirror legs itself |
| 13:17.59 | wouter__ | now all I get is "LV testlv_mlog invalid: segment 2 should begin at LE 1 (found 0)." |
| 13:18.07 | wouter__ | and "Couldn't read all logical volumes for volume group stgvg." |
| 13:18.15 | wouter__ | seems like my vg is toast? |
| 13:18.17 | ^shark_ | hi how do i force openswan and ipsec to load with /etc/ipsec.d/ipsec.conf instead of /etc/ipsec.conf and /etc/ipsec.secrets to /etc/ipsec.d/ipsec.secrets |
| 13:18.24 | muramasa | tralala, dont know the difference or how to find that out :( |
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| 13:19.31 | ruied | Is there any tftp server running as a deamon instead of inetd (like tftpd) ? |
| 13:19.46 | debian | What methods would you recomend to encrypt an secondary harddrive? |
| 13:20.28 | liable | ruied: i am sure you can get whichever ftp daemon to run in daemon mode rather than from inetd |
| 13:20.36 | liable | ruied: why dont you like inetd? |
| 13:21.56 | ruied | liable, just because I normally do not use it... I'm tring with tftpd with inetd but it seems it's not working... |
| 13:22.16 | liable | ruied: define 'not working' |
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| 13:23.33 | ruied | liable, I have tftp installed, and restarted inetd but the phones aren't picking the file in /tftpboot... I've seted the permissions also to 777 |
| 13:23.56 | ruied | liable, it doesn't also appear the port in nmap scan... |
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| 13:24.06 | zerve_the_death | ruied, what about the config file |
| 13:24.07 | debian | !luks etch |
| 13:24.40 | debian | How do you make an good encrypted disk for confidential documents? |
| 13:24.56 | ruied | zerve_the_death, the inetd config file? |
| 13:25.24 | zerve_the_death | ruied, no the ftpd config file |
| 13:25.31 | liable | ruied: is inetd listening on that port? |
| 13:25.36 | liable | 21 |
| 13:25.58 | ruied | liable, how can I know? |
| 13:26.20 | tralala | muramasa, do you know the module name for your sound card? |
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| 13:27.02 | muramasa | tralala, this? Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 13:27.10 | muramasa | using Realtek 268 chip |
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| 13:27.37 | Desdic | hi all, anyone using preseed ? and can guide me to some documentation on partman-auto/expert_recipe ? |
| 13:28.10 | Desdic | I don't understand the numbers 500 10000 1000000000 ext3 |
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| 13:28.56 | muramasa | tralala, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=577054&page=2 found this ubuntu post about it, where they seem to install something called "linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-rt" then modifying the alsa-base file |
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| 13:29.29 | zerve_the_death | ruied, check the inetd.conf |
| 13:29.30 | foobar9 | ruied: to get an idea which daemons are listening on which ports type "sudo netstat -lnptu" into a terminal |
| 13:29.30 | debian | muramasa: How would you encrypt cofidential files? |
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| 13:30.09 | liable | ruied: netstat -plunt |
| 13:30.17 | muramasa | debian, say what now? |
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| 13:30.38 | tralala | modprobe, paste the output of snd-hda-intel model=hp; dmesg | tail to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 13:31.19 | debian | muramasa: I have some confidencial documents, so I want an encrypted harddrive. Howto? |
| 13:31.41 | ruied | tftpd, is not running (netstat -plunt) |
| 13:31.53 | tralala | debian, why are you asking random people, when were given two options already? |
| 13:32.04 | tralala | *you were |
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| 13:34.08 | muramasa | tralala, deeply sorry but - how to get the output from snd-hda-intel? *ashamed* |
| 13:34.32 | wols | what "output"? |
| 13:34.36 | ruied | tftpd line is in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 13:34.40 | wols | there is some output when it's loaded in dmesg |
| 13:35.07 | wols | the "output" of a soundcard driver is noise from your speakers :) |
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| 13:35.23 | wols | ruied: is inetd listening on the tftpd line then? |
| 13:35.42 | wols | debian: gpg |
| 13:35.54 | tralala | muramasa, blah, my bad the command is "modprobe snd-hda-intel model=hp; dmesg | tail" |
| 13:36.04 | wols | tralala: if he asks random people, we can give debian random answers |
| 13:36.09 | liable | ruied: paste your netstat output somewhere |
| 13:36.23 | tralala | wols, good point :) |
| 13:37.16 | muramasa | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/fWAkq025.html :-) |
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| 13:38.22 | ruied | liable, http://paste.uni.cc/18307 |
| 13:38.57 | tralala | muramasa, and what do you get from alsamixer now? |
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| 13:39.39 | liable | ruied: okie, looks like inetd isnt listening for you, have you checked your /etc/default/ file and also your inetd.conf? |
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| 13:40.02 | muramasa | tralala, Card: HDA Intel Chip: Realtek ID 268 View: [Playback] Capture All and Master and PCM both at 100/100 |
| 13:40.24 | pablo | hi, i recently installed some apps with apt and it installed more packages than the ones needed |
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| 13:41.02 | tombhadAC | hi |
| 13:41.08 | wols | !recommends |
| 13:41.09 | pablo | i compared the dependencies on the page with the ones it is going to install and it added a lot more |
| 13:41.12 | snewp | is it possible to restore grub using the installation CD ? |
| 13:41.18 | tralala | muramasa, does it work now? |
| 13:41.20 | wols | snewp: yes |
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| 13:41.31 | wols | pablo: cause dependencies can have dependenies itself |
| 13:41.38 | wols | a long long chain basically |
| 13:42.05 | snewp | wols, can you help me with it? i think i messed up my bootloader |
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| 13:42.33 | wols | !rescue |
| 13:42.33 | dpkg | rescue is probably at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 13:42.39 | muramasa | tralala, no, not at all :-( still, I haven't done any changes yet to any configuration |
| 13:42.46 | pablo | wols: no, because once installed i can remove some packages and it doesnt ask me to remove the a app i installed, so there is something wrong |
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| 13:42.58 | ruied | liable, http://paste.uni.cc/18308 about /etc/default I just have atftpd file (old experiences) |
| 13:43.00 | tralala | muramasa, is it unmuted? |
| 13:43.07 | wols | !tell pablo about bat |
| 13:43.28 | ruied | liable, http://paste.uni.cc/18308 |
| 13:43.37 | ruied | ups... |
| 13:43.49 | muramasa | tralala, in alsamixer? |
| 13:43.57 | tralala | yes |
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| 13:44.25 | muramasa | It doesnt say anything about mute or unmute in the window, so not quite sure how to fix it |
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| 13:44.42 | pablo | wols: yes i compared it with apt-cache and they differ, well it is installing the recommended packages |
| 13:44.54 | TheInfinity | hello ... i have quite strange problem with postfix and dovecot ... i just changed to dovecot from courier and want to use dovect for smtp auth |
| 13:45.06 | liable | ruied: hrm ok, looks like it should be starting, restart inetd and check your /var/log/daemon.log |
| 13:45.26 | tralala | muramasa, at the bottom of the channels you should see "OO" and not "MM" |
| 13:45.34 | TheInfinity | imap login works without any errors, if i try to use stmp i get this error: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/602607 |
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| 13:45.59 | wols | pablo: lemme guess, you run lenny or sid? |
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| 13:46.20 | foobar9 | ruied: inetd is already listening: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 5210/inetd |
| 13:46.29 | pablo | wols: lenny |
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| 13:46.31 | muramasa | tralala, actually it just says "100<>100 Master" and "100<>100 PCM" :-( |
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| 13:46.46 | foobar9 | ruied: => tftp should already work |
| 13:46.54 | wols | TheInfinity: are you running kubuntu? |
| 13:47.07 | tralala | muramasa, right above that |
| 13:47.07 | wols | tralala: see? another one of them |
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| 13:47.13 | TheInfinity | wols: on desktop: yes. on server: debian etch |
| 13:47.32 | tralala | wols, sadly |
| 13:47.45 | ruied | tftp/udp server failing (looping).... |
| 13:47.59 | TheInfinity | and i have this problem on my server, so i thought this is the right channel :) |
| 13:48.33 | muramasa | tralala, doesn't say anything. it's a black background-color before the "pile" of sound volume |
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| 13:48.40 | wols | TheInfinity: does /etc/sasldb2 exist? |
| 13:48.46 | TheInfinity | no |
| 13:48.53 | muramasa | thought it might have been some problem with black font and black background, but didn't say anything when marking it all either |
| 13:48.54 | wols | TheInfinity: then your postfix is wrongly configured |
| 13:48.57 | TheInfinity | in my tutorial theres no word aboit it |
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| 13:49.08 | tralala | muramasa, try pressing 'm' |
| 13:49.10 | TheInfinity | because it sais that i can use dovecot to auth |
| 13:49.16 | tralala | see if anything changes |
| 13:49.17 | wols | TheInfinity: google workaround.org ispmail |
| 13:49.29 | wols | TheInfinity: it's a very vrey good howto. exists in german too |
| 13:49.31 | michaeljoser | Hi all, i am having regular freezes on my debian server (once every 24-48 hours) and i think it might be due to CPU prob.. is there an application that can diagnose CPU problems? |
| 13:49.38 | TheInfinity | wols: this is exacly the tutorial i used :) |
| 13:49.43 | wols | TheInfinity: if that doesn't help: #postfix |
| 13:49.59 | wols | your postfix sasl setup is wrong |
| 13:50.04 | foobar9 | ruied: ? |
| 13:50.05 | muramasa | tralala, nothing at all changes from that |
| 13:50.09 | tralala | michaeljoser, more likely memory problems - memtest |
| 13:50.15 | pablo | wols: what should i do to fix that? |
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| 13:51.05 | wols | !info cpuburn |
| 13:51.07 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-27 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 13:51.09 | wols | pablo: install etch |
| 13:51.12 | ruied | liable, foobar9, it reports the error: tail /var/log/daemon "tftp/udp server failing (looping)..." |
| 13:51.25 | michaeljoser | thx will try both memory and cpu |
| 13:51.47 | wols | michaeljoser: the practially only way for a cpu to fail where you can influence it is heat. how hot is your cpu? |
| 13:52.30 | ruied | I'm restarting with "/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart" is this correct? |
| 13:52.43 | wols | ruied: yes |
| 13:53.02 | wols | what is your inetd.conf line for tfptd? |
| 13:53.13 | wols | and when do you get this "looping" message exactly? |
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| 13:53.42 | ruied | wols: http://paste.uni.cc/18308 |
| 13:55.27 | michaeljoser | wols: its around 45 degrees |
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| 13:55.29 | foobar9 | ruied: which tftp server do you use? |
| 13:56.12 | muramasa | tralala, any other suggestions? :-( |
| 13:56.59 | foobar9 | ruied: check the arguments passed to the in.tftpd process |
| 13:57.14 | eth01 | foobar9, why do you need tftp? |
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| 13:57.20 | foobar9 | ruied: check that there is no standalone tftp daemon running |
| 13:57.38 | ruied | foobar9, I'm using tftpd |
| 13:57.41 | foobar9 | eth01: ruied needs tftp (not me) |
| 13:57.46 | foobar9 | ruied: dpkg -s tftpd |
| 13:58.42 | foobar9 | eth01: but i am using tftpd-hpa |
| 13:59.20 | foobar9 | ruied: see man in.tftpd |
| 13:59.26 | ruied | foobar9, tftpd is installed |
| 13:59.32 | tralala | muramasa, a new kernel. Let me see how you can get one that's not broken |
| 13:59.38 | ruied | foobar9, of, going to check... |
| 14:00.04 | foobar9 | ruied: especially the multicast options |
| 14:00.06 | muramasa | tralala, Ah, thanks for your kindness :-) |
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| 14:01.45 | ThorstenS | Hi, I want to download a bunch of etch-amd64 packages on an etch-686 workstation. Is there a script that can help here? |
| 14:01.56 | wols | !apt-zip |
| 14:01.56 | dpkg | well, apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 14:02.13 | ThorstenS | thx :) |
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| 14:02.51 | foobar9 | ruied: i am using tftpd-hpa and my inetd entry is simply: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 14:02.58 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to get svn to access repositories over https? |
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| 14:03.08 | Sazpaimon | or do I need to build it from sourse or something |
| 14:03.09 | foobar9 | ruied: and works |
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| 14:03.37 | foobar9 | ruied: but i don't know if you want to do something special |
| 14:03.49 | jeylm | http://chosee-city.myminicity.com/ |
| 14:04.09 | wols | !ops please remove jeylm. kthx |
| 14:04.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please remove jeylm. kthx |
| 14:04.18 | tralala | muramasa, download this http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.24_2.6.24-4_all.deb, install it with dpkg -i and compile |
| 14:04.26 | Sazpaimon | svn --version doesnt show ra_dav as installed |
| 14:04.29 | ruied | foobar9, is just to load firmware files and xml phonebook to my GrandStream SIP phones... |
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| 14:05.28 | foobar9 | ruied: aptitude install tftpd-hpa and be happy |
| 14:05.40 | muramasa | tralala, thank you! :-) |
| 14:05.59 | ruied | foobar9, going to try... |
| 14:06.24 | muramasa | tralala, is it ok just to do it as root terminal, or do I need to do something special? |
| 14:06.33 | tralala | muramasa, copy the old configuration: cp /boot/config-2.6.18-6-blah-blah /usr/src/linux-source*/.config and then see /msg dpkg kp-mantra for compiling |
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| 14:06.50 | tralala | muramasa, root terminal is fine |
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| 14:08.34 | wols | tralala: dunno what's worse, kernel compiles or running lenny :P |
| 14:09.01 | muramasa | tralala, ok I'm sure this is basic; but when cp /boot/config ..... I get error saying that /usr/src .... doesnt exist hehe |
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| 14:10.03 | tralala | wols, this is what you get when you run into driver problems right when a major kernel bug is discovered |
| 14:10.08 | pbn | Hi, still no new binary kernel for etch. When is it shipping ? |
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| 14:10.24 | eth01 | shipping? |
| 14:10.25 | tralala | muramasa, you need to install the source package first |
| 14:10.28 | eth01 | haha. |
| 14:10.35 | jelly | is there anything faster than dd that can be used to zero-fill the filesystem? |
| 14:10.36 | pbn | eth01: well, available |
| 14:10.46 | wols | pbn: shipped a long time ago. security.debian.org |
| 14:11.04 | tralala | pbn, do you mean a new version? |
| 14:11.10 | wols | jelly: how could there since the bottleneck will be your disk speed? |
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| 14:11.27 | pbn | ah |
| 14:11.32 | pbn | maybe my apt-proxy is broken |
| 14:11.34 | wols | jelly: unless you have a awfully slow /dev/zero |
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| 14:12.08 | jelly | wols: the bottleneck is not my disk speed in this case, that's why I'm asking. |
| 14:12.37 | lyakh | hi, trying to install etch to a core2duo, and the netinst CD 4.0r2 doesn't boot. blocks around ACPI... any known issues? |
| 14:12.43 | wols | jelly: that is unpossible |
| 14:12.55 | wols | !tell lyakh about kmuto |
| 14:12.59 | jelly | wols: I get about 320MB/s, with dd using about 60% cpu user-time and 40% system |
| 14:13.08 | wols | lyakh: lemme guess, P35 or similar chipset? |
| 14:13.26 | lyakh | wols, similar... g35 or p35 |
| 14:13.26 | wols | jelly: what raid is this? |
| 14:13.35 | jelly | wols: hw raid6. |
| 14:13.42 | wols | lyakh: use kmuto then |
| 14:13.51 | foobar9 | ruied: do those phones work well? (nat? do you use asterisk/callweaver? openser?) |
| 14:14.16 | jelly | wols: it doesn't really matter. the block device is rather fast... I just wonder about userspace cpu time spent by dd. |
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| 14:14.40 | wols | jelly: dd just doesn't do a whole lot to use CPU |
| 14:14.48 | wols | how big are your blocksizez? |
| 14:14.50 | jelly | wols: apparently it does. |
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| 14:15.19 | jelly | wols: dd if=/dev/zero of=... bs=1M count=a lot |
| 14:15.20 | wols | what's yopur commandline for it? |
| 14:15.34 | wols | 1M should be fine I guess |
| 14:15.34 | jelly | so ibs=obs=1M |
| 14:15.42 | foobar9 | jelly: maybe if you use bs=1 ;-) |
| 14:15.43 | ruied | foobar9, asterisk... I have them in my company, working just fine... now I'm implementing this in a school wit arround 35 phones... I have also several other phones working with 'Epigy's PBX' without a problem... |
| 14:15.44 | lyakh | wols: thanks |
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| 14:16.11 | jelly | wols: that's what I thought initially, but it seems it's unsatifactory |
| 14:16.38 | ruied | foobar9, some people say that this phones are crap, bu I think that price/quality is really nice. |
| 14:16.48 | jelly | foobar9: the device can supposedly handle >600MB/s write |
| 14:16.56 | foobar9 | ruied: sip only or connected to pots? |
| 14:17.35 | jim | wols: back |
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| 14:17.59 | jim | wols: I guess I could try for a backport of xorg |
| 14:18.01 | ruied | foobar9, all extensions are sip, I have some pots working with ATA |
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| 14:18.22 | wols | jim: why? |
| 14:18.27 | ruied | all the ATA's and sip phones are from grandstream... |
| 14:18.56 | foobar9 | ruied: those grandstream phones are in fact linux computers? |
| 14:19.07 | ruied | foobar9, still not working.... |
| 14:19.17 | muramasa | tralala, I understand if you get sick my questioning, but I do not understand much of what information I got from dpkg :-( I've succesfully copied the config-2.6.18-6-686 to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24 now at least |
| 14:19.20 | jim | well I tried to install a nvidia-glx without the version on the depend to xserver-xorg-core but somehow the version stuck |
| 14:19.24 | foobar9 | ruied: how does your inetd.conf look like now? |
| 14:19.53 | tralala | muramasa, to .config, right? |
| 14:20.59 | muramasa | cp /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/.config <- like that :-) |
| 14:22.03 | tralala | muramasa, good. Now you need to run the long command from kp-mantra (add --initrd) |
| 14:22.16 | tralala | and you need to be in the source dir |
| 14:22.29 | muramasa | ah, ok! |
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| 14:22.57 | jim | it still has the dep |
| 14:23.00 | pbn | hm, sorry but, even when using security.debian.org directly, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade still does not upgrade my binary kernel... |
| 14:23.07 | pbn | ... perhaps am I doing something wrong ? |
| 14:23.08 | ruied | foobar9, I've removed tftpd-hpa and tftpd (apt-get --purge), and /etc/inetd.conf made a 'touch /etc/inetd.conf' and 'apt-get install tftpd-hpa' |
| 14:23.21 | jim | and the version, this after purging the .debs, rebuilding them again, and installing them |
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| 14:23.33 | ruied | still not working... |
| 14:23.36 | wols | jim: where did you edit it? |
| 14:23.45 | jim | debian/control |
| 14:23.46 | muramasa | tralala, bash: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 14:23.52 | pbn | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:23.54 | jim | in the section on the package |
| 14:23.56 | pbn | is that correct ? |
| 14:24.00 | jim | brb |
| 14:24.08 | wols | where EXACTLY? |
| 14:24.11 | foobar9 | ruied: tftp line in inetd.conf should read something like: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 14:24.32 | ruied | foobar9, about the phones, they are hard phones, the S.O. of the phones I don't know if it is linux.... |
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| 14:24.55 | foobar9 | ruied: and in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa RUN_DAEMON should be no |
| 14:25.23 | wols | jim: it needs to be changed in debian/control.in |
| 14:25.49 | jim | is that a m4 file?? |
| 14:26.01 | wols | autoconf I think |
| 14:26.09 | jim | so yeah. |
| 14:26.19 | tralala | muramasa, install kernel-package |
| 14:26.24 | jim | ok, let's take a look |
| 14:26.25 | wols | inside debian/: grep xserver-xorg-core * and yu will see |
| 14:26.45 | jim | ok will do |
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| 14:26.59 | foobar9 | ruied: and netstat -lnpu should list inetd listening on port 69 |
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| 14:27.27 | nihil | can anyone help me with gitweb? |
| 14:27.57 | nihil | it works when i start it from bash but not from the webserver |
| 14:28.46 | jim | aside, I think people should look at m4, it's not as hard as people make it out to be |
| 14:29.23 | jim | I like it so much I have a sources.list.m4 and a /etc/network/interfaces.m4 |
| 14:29.35 | ruied | folken, it seems it is working... going to test the phones... |
| 14:30.18 | foobar9 | ruied: don't forget to reload inetd if you change the config |
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| 14:30.33 | abrotman | jim: i think the problem is the ability to blow your foot off :) |
| 14:30.54 | ruied | foobar9, nmap scan doesn't show the port is it pecaus it's udp? |
| 14:31.00 | jim | ahh, another benefit... it acts like socks! |
| 14:31.02 | muramasa | tralala, apt-get install kernel-package did not work, so I'm lost once again hehe :-( |
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| 14:31.12 | foobar9 | ruied: to test wether it works best use tftp |
| 14:31.14 | abrotman | muramasa: why not? errors? |
| 14:31.21 | foobar9 | ruied: (depends on nmap options) |
| 14:31.45 | ruied | ok |
| 14:31.54 | wols | nmap is only used to check remote systems. NEVER the local one |
| 14:31.56 | ruied | foobar9, going to try |
| 14:32.06 | muramasa | hm, I think I had to do apt-get -f install or apt-cache search linux-image before doing it, now it worked.. *ashamed* |
| 14:32.14 | sChaaa | hola |
| 14:32.28 | ruied | wols, I'm in a remote one |
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| 14:33.15 | lyakh | kmuto doesn't boot either |
| 14:33.22 | lyakh | blocks at the same plac |
| 14:33.24 | lyakh | place |
| 14:33.34 | wols | lyakh: acpi?off |
| 14:33.38 | foobar9 | ruied: try tftp localhost |
| 14:33.39 | wols | or noapic |
| 14:33.43 | muramasa | User Namespaces (EXPERIMENTAL) (USER_NS) [N/y/?] (NEW) <- experimental cant be good can it?:P |
| 14:33.47 | wols | lyakh: what board exactly is it? |
| 14:34.02 | lyakh | "PCI Root Bridge..." |
| 14:34.11 | wols | that's bo board |
| 14:34.11 | lyakh | moment... |
| 14:34.20 | wols | *no |
| 14:34.24 | foobar9 | ruied: then type trace |
| 14:34.29 | foobar9 | ruied: get foo |
| 14:34.35 | lyakh | Intel DQ35JO |
| 14:34.37 | ruied | folken, not working :( |
| 14:34.40 | wols | the problem with noapic is, there is no SMP then... |
| 14:34.44 | ruied | foobar9, , not working :( |
| 14:34.51 | lyakh | wols: yes, I know |
| 14:35.01 | lyakh | but maybe just for the installation? |
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| 14:35.08 | foobar9 | ruied: netstat lists inetd? |
| 14:35.11 | lyakh | likely to build my own kernel afterwards anyway |
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| 14:35.25 | muramasa | tralala, what would you suggest here? User Namespaces (EXPERIMENTAL) (USER_NS) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
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| 14:35.43 | wols | lyakh: http://www.google.de/search?q=DQ35JO+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 14:35.54 | wols | lyakh: seems the NIC can be a problem |
| 14:35.57 | foobar9 | ruied: inetd.conf is correct? |
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| 14:36.04 | rnix | hi |
| 14:36.07 | wols | muramasa: N |
| 14:36.20 | jim | ok, that seems to be working better... now what's this Xgl thing that compiz wants? |
| 14:36.21 | Zharf | muramasa, I wouldn't advice using experimental features unless you're absolutely sure you need them |
| 14:36.28 | gordonjcp | muramasa: the default selection is "N" |
| 14:36.30 | wols | muramasa: experimental isn't necessarily bad but I don't see why to use it in this case |
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| 14:36.42 | wols | muramasa: fyi, "?" gives a help text |
| 14:36.54 | ruied | foobar9, yes, now it only have the tftp line and it is like your's... |
| 14:37.05 | pbn | hum I am doing aptitude update then aptitude upgrade on etch, and I don't get a new linux-image-2.6 package... what am I doing wrong ? |
| 14:37.05 | rnix | how do i read hardware information on the command line? |
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| 14:37.17 | wols | jim: nothing you have to concern yourself with. and compiz doesn't want it either |
| 14:37.23 | pbn | rnix: lspci, lshw |
| 14:37.25 | wols | !what's my hardware |
| 14:37.25 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 14:37.32 | foobar9 | ruied: and whats the error? |
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| 14:37.40 | jim | wols: ok, how then do I start compiz? :) |
| 14:37.44 | ruied | foobar9, http://paste.uni.cc/18309 |
| 14:37.49 | jim | I have it installed... |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | pbn: why are you expecting a new one? |
| 14:37.50 | rnix | pbn: thx |
| 14:37.50 | wols | compiz --replace or such |
| 14:37.56 | wols | if there are errors: tell |
| 14:38.01 | muramasa | hehe, this is confusing for a beginner ;) |
| 14:38.06 | jim | tell here? |
| 14:38.09 | pbn | abrotman: because the current one has hum *cough* security issues ... |
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| 14:38.13 | wols | !tell jim about paste |
| 14:38.18 | jim | oh ok |
| 14:38.19 | lyakh | wols: NIC unlikely - hangs much earlier |
| 14:38.20 | abrotman | pbn: cat /proc/version .. what does it say? |
| 14:38.26 | dZen|n| | can someone help with sound problem ? |
| 14:38.35 | wols | !tell pbn about security |
| 14:38.42 | muramasa | Alignment value to which kernel should be aligned (PHYSICAL_ALIGN) [0x100000] (NEW) this left me with no options. any suggestions? :-( |
| 14:38.44 | ruied | foobar9, in tftp> 'get gxp.lpf' error Code [1] |
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| 14:38.53 | wols | !tell dZen|n| about ask |
| 14:39.00 | pbn | Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 |
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| 14:39.19 | znh | Hello. I wonder if the debian installer (etch, stable) takes care of raid configurations? |
| 14:39.40 | znh | !tell znh about ask |
| 14:39.48 | dZen|n| | I am running kubuntu |
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| 14:39.50 | wols | znh: some |
| 14:39.55 | wols | !raid |
| 14:39.55 | dpkg | well, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray |
| 14:40.01 | wols | dpkg: then you are in the wrong channel |
| 14:40.02 | dpkg | ...but then you is already something else... |
| 14:40.04 | znh | wols: raid 1 |
| 14:40.06 | pbn | dZen|n|: wrong channel |
| 14:40.09 | foobar9 | ruied: sudo netstat -lnptu|grep inetd |
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| 14:40.44 | wols | znh: expert install can do it yes. and there are a ton of houtos out there |
| 14:41.11 | ruied | foobar9, : udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 6253/inetd |
| 14:41.12 | muramasa | eek, I'm scared :-( |
| 14:41.19 | foobar9 | ruied: ok |
| 14:41.20 | muramasa | Alignment value to which kernel should be aligned (PHYSICAL_ALIGN) [0x100000] (NEW) <- what does this want me to do? |
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| 14:42.00 | wols | muramasa: to press enter |
| 14:42.04 | foobar9 | ruied: tftp localhost, then enter |
| 14:42.10 | foobar9 | ruied: get foo |
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| 14:42.42 | foobar9 | ruied: then you want to see something like: send RRQ, received ERROR |
| 14:42.56 | foobar9 | ruied: => tftp works (just the file was not found) |
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| 14:43.09 | tralala | muramasa, just give the default answers to all the questions |
| 14:43.22 | foobar9 | ruied: then you put your file in /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 14:43.27 | muramasa | that I will! :-) |
| 14:43.43 | pbn | can't get updated kernels for etch, while I did get updated kernels for lenny... hm, something must be wrong... |
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| 14:44.01 | foobar9 | ruied: for example echo hello > /var/lib/tftpboot/foo |
| 14:44.06 | wols | pbn: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 14:44.09 | foobar9 | ruied: do it again, and it should work |
| 14:44.16 | wols | pbn: also your sources.list please. both in a pastebin |
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| 14:44.41 | muramasa | Do I only have to press enter, or do I have to type N/M/Y when going for default? |
| 14:44.42 | ruied | tftp> get gxp.lpf |
| 14:44.42 | ruied | Error code 1: File not found |
| 14:44.53 | wols | muramasa: enter |
| 14:45.00 | foobar9 | ruied: is there a file /var/lib/tftpboot/gxp.lpf ? |
| 14:45.12 | ruied | ??? |
| 14:45.13 | znh | wols: expert install? |
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| 14:45.25 | wols | !ig |
| 14:45.25 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:45.35 | ruied | that is the problem... I have it in /tftpboot |
| 14:45.58 | foobar9 | ruied: if you type get foo into the tftp client |
| 14:46.12 | foobar9 | ruied: the server will look for a file /var/lib/tftpboot/foo |
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| 14:46.57 | knighthawk | I have a debian box that doesn't seem to have to ftp client installed. What would be a good one to use? |
| 14:47.36 | foobar9 | ruied: => file not found |
| 14:47.39 | ruied | hhehe |
| 14:47.42 | chandor | knighthawk: gftp |
| 14:47.55 | knighthawk | thanks chandor |
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| 14:48.14 | ruied | foobar9, thanks alot for your patience.... it was the directory, I had it in /tftpboot |
| 14:48.30 | muramasa | God, I've never pressed enter this many times throughout all my life :-) |
| 14:48.53 | ruied | folken, I've assumed it was in /tftpboot by default (read it somwhere) |
| 14:49.01 | ruied | foobar9, , I've assumed it was in /tftpboot by default (read it somwhere) |
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| 14:49.16 | foobar9 | ruied: but now it works? |
| 14:49.20 | tralala | muramasa, this will teach you a lesson about buying unsupported hardware ;) |
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| 14:49.55 | ThunderDownUnder | Hello, how do I install the ncurses library |
| 14:49.58 | ThunderDownUnder | psybnc is saying i need that |
| 14:49.59 | knighthawk | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:49.59 | knighthawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.03 | muramasa | tralala, true ;) |
| 14:50.04 | ruied | yes, at least the 'get gxp.lpf'. I'm trying now with the phones. |
| 14:50.19 | foobar9 | ruied: the directory to use is passed as option to in.tfptd (you set this in inetd.conf) |
| 14:50.45 | pbn | wols: http://paste.debian.net/49141 |
| 14:51.00 | nullroute | hello? |
| 14:51.01 | knighthawk | I thought apt-get automatically grab dependencies (I'm mostly a RH guy so I'm not certain of that) |
| 14:51.03 | ruied | foobar9, the phones are getting the files, now I have a centralized xml phonebook working... :) |
| 14:51.11 | foobar9 | ruied: cool |
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| 14:51.28 | ruied | thanks! :) |
| 14:51.31 | muramasa | tralala, at least it's an improvement to start learning linux instead of being a windows toyboy all the time :-) |
| 14:51.31 | foobar9 | ruied: they get the phonebook via tftp? |
| 14:51.39 | ruied | yes |
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| 14:51.52 | ruied | foobar9, also the language pack... |
| 14:51.52 | foobar9 | ruied: security ... |
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| 14:52.07 | ruied | and the firmware upgrades... |
| 14:52.08 | chandor | knighthawk: aptitude install gftp ? |
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| 14:52.24 | Sero | I've just installed a new box, but I can't access the webserver from other hosts... is this a new default setup? can't access the box with ssh from the local network either |
| 14:52.28 | foobar9 | ruied: fun for hackers i guess ;-) |
| 14:52.49 | knighthawk | chandor, is gftp a gui tool? This is just a server don't think gnome is even installed on it. |
| 14:52.52 | ruied | foobar9, there is not much a problem, it's inside the network, phone book isn't also a big security issue.... |
| 14:53.14 | ruied | foobar9, but the firmwares it could be a problem... |
| 14:53.18 | foobar9 | ruied: ;-) |
| 14:53.22 | grub | Sero, can you ping it? |
| 14:53.25 | tralala | muramasa, no doubt :) |
| 14:53.25 | Sero | yes |
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| 14:54.07 | voltage | to host a small site locally do I have to enable incoming icmp (pings) ? |
| 14:54.09 | Sero | hey! it suddenly works! |
| 14:54.10 | chandor | knighthawk: gftp is gtk-based. there is also gtk-trext frontend |
| 14:54.12 | grub | Sero, check if you are blocking those ports? it shouldnt be blocked by deafult though |
| 14:54.23 | muramasa | tralala, I guess I should get a bunch of books on the subject, so perhaps I'll let you people rest in peace ;) |
| 14:54.26 | Sero | rebooting the router did the job.... |
| 14:54.30 | chandor | knighthawk: sorry, gftp-text |
| 14:54.36 | wols | pbn: your versioning is a bit... strange |
| 14:54.39 | ^shark_ | someone help me with this >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1850 |
| 14:54.48 | wols | it claims to be a -3 and -7 kernel at the same time |
| 14:54.57 | foobar9 | ruied: the problem is: it is enough to break one box within that network |
| 14:55.25 | nullroute | Hello, how do I install the ncurses library |
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| 14:55.33 | wols | ^shark_: what kernel? |
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| 14:55.39 | knighthawk | chandor okay I'll give that a try. so far I keep running into ' This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.' |
| 14:55.53 | wols | nullroute: for what? |
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| 14:56.05 | knighthawk | is this worth forcing the LoopBreak? And how do I go about doing that? |
| 14:56.07 | wols | !info libncurses5-dev |
| 14:56.08 | nullroute | for psybnc |
| 14:56.11 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: (Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.6+20080203-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1463 kB, Installed size: 6356 kB |
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| 14:56.24 | ^shark_ | wols: 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 14:56.34 | DynV | What would be the best way to set up a GNU/Linux (preferably Debian) gateway for LAN which DHCP and assign DNS to its members ? |
| 14:56.51 | chandor | knighthawk: no, please. that would screw your system. |
| 14:56.52 | pbn | wols: ah ? :) |
| 14:56.52 | lyakh | hey, it booted with "acpi=off" - for the record |
| 14:57.00 | petemc | DynV: follow one of the many guides you find on the internet |
| 14:57.01 | pbn | wols: well I see nothing wrong in my sources.list ... |
| 14:57.02 | foobar9 | ruied: take a look at ettercap |
| 14:57.16 | ^shark_ | wols: i seem to have lost this support on the kernel |
| 14:57.33 | DynV | petemc: they usually talk about DHCP and DNS seperatly |
| 14:57.44 | tralala | muramasa, a good book would surely help but I wonder if there are any. |
| 14:57.46 | chandor | knighthawk: the above warning hints that somthing is wrong with your install already |
| 14:57.47 | wols | lyakh: sure, but it won't help. C2D without SMP is kinda sucky :( |
| 14:57.50 | knighthawk | chandor okay but I pretty much get the same error whenever I try to install something what do I need to do to get out of this. seems the problem is e2fsprogs |
| 14:58.02 | wols | DynV: ipmasq and dnsmasq is all you need |
| 14:58.06 | lyakh | wols: that's just to install |
| 14:58.11 | lyakh | will figure it out later |
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| 14:58.21 | lyakh | I'll sort the kernel out:-) |
| 14:58.22 | cardbus | Dynv: DHCP server is a standard option in the standard Debian install |
| 14:58.23 | chandor | knighthawk: etch/lenny/sid ? |
| 14:58.24 | foobar9 | ruied: but hey after all this telephony/sip stuff is a security nightmare anyway |
| 14:58.27 | knighthawk | chandor thanks but how do I go about fixing it (If I had done the install it would have been RH) |
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| 14:59.04 | wols | !info gftp-gtk |
| 14:59.05 | DynV | cardbus: and for DNS ? on the same machine ? |
| 14:59.07 | dpkg | gftp-gtk: (X/GTK+ FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.18-17 (sid), Packaged size: 268 kB, Installed size: 740 kB |
| 14:59.14 | wols | DynV: use dnsmasq |
| 14:59.20 | muramasa | tralala, ah. I wouldn't know :-) any suggestions on how to learn, other than bugging you guys here or exploring by myself, and surely break a system every now and then? :-) |
| 14:59.22 | wols | DynV: it's made exactly for your scenario |
| 14:59.35 | wols | !info gftp-gtk lenny |
| 14:59.39 | dpkg | gftp-gtk: (X/GTK+ FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.18-17 (lenny), Packaged size: 268 kB, Installed size: 740 kB |
| 14:59.44 | DynV | wols: all of this is easy to use, I'm a nix noob |
| 14:59.52 | ruied | this school has everithing conected with switches, that dificult the capture of a packet in the network. and we have several several independent networks, the phones will be in the 'Administration' network (the students can't reach it unless the pass the router)... |
| 14:59.53 | wols | knighthawk: update your sources. apt-get update |
| 14:59.59 | wols | knighthawk: and don't run testing or sid! |
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| 15:00.15 | DynV | wols: +? |
| 15:00.25 | ruied | foobar9, this school has everithing conected with switches, that dificult the capture of a packet in the network. and we have several several independent networks, the phones will be in the 'Administration' network (the students can't reach it unless the pass the router)... |
| 15:00.31 | knighthawk | wols how do I find out if I'm currently running sid or testing? |
| 15:00.34 | wols | DynV: very easy. for dnsmasq to do dhcp you need to edit one documented file. dns and mpasq is already done with installing ipmasq and dnsmasq |
| 15:00.37 | ^shark_ | how do i enable support for my 2.6 kernel |
| 15:00.48 | wols | !version |
| 15:00.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 15:00.57 | foobar9 | ruied: first part: switch => no security (take a look at ettercap) second part: router inbetween => good |
| 15:01.07 | rootroot | hi, any ideas which pkg has cfdisk util? |
| 15:01.16 | wols | !tell rootroot about search |
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| 15:01.22 | DynV | wols: and for prot blocking and stuff ? I'm using smoothwall which takes me by the hand right now ... |
| 15:01.24 | chandor | knighthawk: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:01.31 | DynV | wols: port* |
| 15:01.38 | ruied | foobar9, going to check ethercap.... |
| 15:01.41 | wols | DynV: what do you want to block? |
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| 15:01.45 | rootroot | i did couldn't find it |
| 15:01.46 | wols | !info smoothwall etch |
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| 15:01.51 | foobar9 | ruied: ettercap |
| 15:02.15 | wols | rootroot: then look harder. it's pretty much impossible not to understand packages.debian.org search entries |
| 15:02.17 | ruied | foobar9, ah, ok |
| 15:02.32 | DynV | wols: everything but the essentials by default and unblock as needed |
| 15:02.40 | wols | DynV: why? |
| 15:02.44 | rootroot | apt-cache search cfdisk return: |
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| 15:02.57 | DynV | wols: smoothwall shows I get often attacked |
| 15:03.00 | wols | DynV: a port where nothing is listening doesn't need to be firewalled |
| 15:03.09 | wols | DynV: bullshit |
| 15:03.11 | rootroot | gpart - Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions and linhdd - GTK frontend for cfdisk/df/hdparm/mkfs |
| 15:03.34 | DynV | wols: that's what the logs are saying ! |
| 15:03.38 | wols | rootroot: read the FULL factoid. not only parts |
| 15:03.42 | eth01 | language please. |
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| 15:04.03 | rootroot | would it be gpart? |
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| 15:04.13 | wols | DynV: it's still bullshit. closed ports can't be attacked. firewall or no firewall. and you only have ports open which you want open so there a firewall doesn't help |
| 15:04.20 | wols | rootroot: no |
| 15:04.26 | eth01 | wols, for the second time, language, right. |
| 15:04.34 | wols | eth01: fuck of and die |
| 15:04.42 | wols | eth01: I can repeat it if you want |
| 15:04.52 | rootroot | haha |
| 15:04.59 | eth01 | okay |
| 15:05.01 | wols | eth01: note: this is not #ubuntu |
| 15:05.14 | eth01 | wols, huh? |
| 15:05.22 | wols | there is no !language here |
| 15:05.27 | pbn | yeah on #ubuntu you get banned for obscene language |
| 15:05.29 | wols | and we are NOT family friendly here iether |
| 15:05.46 | eth01 | doesn't give you the right to swear 'like a don't know what' |
| 15:05.57 | azeem | wols: please keep it friendly |
| 15:06.04 | wols | sailor. swear like a sailing motherfucker |
| 15:06.13 | azeem | there's difference between !language and ad-hominem attacks |
| 15:06.16 | azeem | +a |
| 15:06.27 | eth01 | :/ |
| 15:06.27 | wols | azeem: you're right. sorry |
| 15:07.15 | liable | unfortunately, eth01 seems to want to impose his values on everyine else though. |
| 15:07.49 | eth01 | heh. |
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| 15:08.13 | azeem | I wasn't talking about the BS, but about the FOAD, FTR |
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| 15:08.16 | lyakh | but now it cannot access the CDROM |
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| 15:08.48 | eth01 | well quite |
| 15:09.20 | ruied | foobar9, I have to test ettercap, it seems very poerful |
| 15:09.56 | foobar9 | ruied: at least it helps to show that a switch does not provide securityy |
| 15:11.35 | muramasa | Hm, what web browser seem to be the most popular with Debian users? |
| 15:12.11 | foobar9 | ruied: and if you are at it you might wish to take a look at wireshark (if you don't know it yet) - it has some nice sip features (very useful for debugging) |
| 15:12.11 | ServerSide | Do anyone know lifetype? |
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| 15:13.21 | ruied | hmm, ok, thanks, going to check for shure! |
| 15:13.29 | DynV | wols: didn't you read in the beginning that I'm a noob ? |
| 15:13.33 | ruied | folken, hmm, ok, thanks, going to check for shure! |
| 15:13.42 | DynV | wols: I'm trying to figure stuff out |
| 15:13.48 | Sero | hey! I can't connect to my ssh server from other computers on the same network -- any suggestions to what the problem might be? |
| 15:13.50 | ruied | foobar9, , hmm, ok, thanks, going to check for shure! |
| 15:13.56 | Sero | ssh localhost works fine |
| 15:14.08 | Justin | Sero: why can't you? what happens when you try? |
| 15:14.21 | nullroute | hmm |
| 15:14.26 | nullroute | for some reason I can't kill psybnc |
| 15:14.32 | nullroute | I have done kill and sudo kill |
| 15:14.33 | Sero | refused connection from my windows terminal |
| 15:14.35 | nullroute | and it wont die |
| 15:14.35 | wols | DynV: what smoothwall told you is still bullshit :) |
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| 15:14.56 | Sero | from another debian box it just hangs without responding |
| 15:14.58 | foobar9 | ruied: wish you a nice day |
| 15:15.30 | wols | DynV: a port where nothing listens on deosn#t need to be protected with a firewall. and ports where something does listen, are ports you wanted to open. no need to close it off with a firewall either. as root run "nstata -plunt". pastebin the result |
| 15:15.45 | DynV | wols: I see in the logs all sorts of blocked attacks and weird name like MS server 2003 |
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| 15:15.55 | knighthawk | I only see stable and main contrib in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:16.06 | knighthawk | other than apt.leapster.org/tomcat |
| 15:16.14 | chandor | nullroute: kill -9 |
| 15:16.40 | DynV | wols: I get it but if the system replies, won't the attacker have a nice sign and attack elsewhere ? |
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| 15:16.49 | chandor | knighthawk: atp-get update |
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| 15:17.31 | wols | DynV: closed ports don't reply anything |
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| 15:17.44 | wols | except a RST I guess |
| 15:18.07 | knighthawk | chandor just ran that |
| 15:18.18 | wols | which is why I asked about your netstatr -plunt output |
| 15:18.21 | knighthawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.28 | wols | netstat -plunt output |
| 15:18.35 | DynV | wols: let me do it |
| 15:18.37 | wols | knighthawk: pastebin your sources.list |
| 15:19.06 | wols | !tell knighthawk about sources.list |
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| 15:19.59 | ruied | foobar9, the same to you! thanks alot for the help! ;-) |
| 15:20.21 | DynV | wols: http://pastebin.com/d14139b7f |
| 15:20.42 | wols | wtf??? |
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| 15:21.32 | knighthawk | pastebin is acting weird on me. might have too many tabs open just a sec |
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| 15:22.00 | wols | DynV: do you REALLY run a appletalk network? |
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| 15:22.03 | sz0 | Is there anything that needs to be done on a fresh lenny system before? |
| 15:22.11 | hipodilski | I'm interested is it possible to boot debian with a freebsd kernel? |
| 15:22.13 | wols | sz0: before what? |
| 15:22.18 | hipodilski | I red about the kfreebsd package |
| 15:22.24 | hipodilski | but it's not very clear to me |
| 15:22.26 | wols | hipodilski: there is debian/bsd |
| 15:22.29 | DynV | wols: I'm trying to run Egika, maybe i fucked up ? |
| 15:22.35 | hipodilski | wols: debian/bsd |
| 15:22.36 | hipodilski | ? |
| 15:22.37 | sz0 | wols: before anything else* :) |
| 15:22.51 | wols | DynV: voip is always a nightmare portswise |
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| 15:23.04 | DynV | wols: my gateway goes CRAZY when I run Egika and it'S a 400 MHz ... |
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| 15:23.46 | wols | but still. do you have ANY appltalk on your network? |
| 15:23.49 | knighthawk | Okay pastebin doesn't like my sources list. I can post other things. I'm trying to try putting everything in quotes |
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| 15:23.59 | Sero | should I disable IPv6 on my debian box if the router it is connected to doesn't support it, or won't it matter? |
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| 15:24.20 | wols | !paste |
| 15:24.20 | muramasa | tralala, it's done! :-) |
| 15:24.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:24.25 | pumpkin0 | i have a big pile of html-files and want to do fulltext-search inside them (flautolerant would be nice). Any recommanded way of doing this ? |
| 15:24.31 | wols | knighthawk: paste there. it likse sources.lists |
| 15:24.48 | hipodilski | wols: so can I just replace my linux kernel with bsd kernel and my system to continue work the same way :} |
| 15:24.48 | wols | DynV: also, don't let samba listen on public ports |
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| 15:24.51 | hipodilski | ? |
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| 15:25.12 | DynV | wols: thanks |
| 15:25.26 | wols | DynV: why is vino-server listening? |
| 15:25.38 | knighthawk | thanks wols |
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| 15:25.43 | wols | protmap you don#t need either. or rpc* |
| 15:25.50 | DynV | wols: I don't know what it is, what does it usually run ? |
| 15:25.58 | wols | avahi-daemon is not needed either |
| 15:26.06 | wols | what does what run? |
| 15:26.17 | nullroute | grrrrrr |
| 15:26.19 | nullroute | stupid bnc |
| 15:26.20 | nullroute | [02:26] <-psyBNC> Wrong Password. Disconnecting. |
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| 15:26.22 | wols | vino server is a vnc server, portmap and rpc* is for NFS |
| 15:26.24 | knighthawk | http://paste.debian.net/49148 |
| 15:26.27 | nullroute | the password is correct |
| 15:26.49 | DynV | wols: let me chack what NFS means |
| 15:26.52 | wols | knighthawk: nonUS doesn't exist anymore |
| 15:26.55 | wols | !nfs |
| 15:26.55 | dpkg | i heard nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 15:27.15 | knighthawk | wols so just take it out of the list or replace it with something? |
| 15:27.18 | wols | DynV: smbd must not listen on public interfasces either |
| 15:27.22 | lleoliveirabr | hi all, i installed linux and debian for first time on a laptop lenovo, the only thing it's not working is wireless, i installed lenny version and see this http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi but as i can see need a new kernel. how to install this |
| 15:27.25 | wols | knighthawk: remove it |
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| 15:27.54 | DynV | wols: could you suggest a site where the usual dos and donts are listed ? |
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| 15:28.43 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> what kinda of wifi card do you have? if you have lenny your card should be supported by your kernel |
| 15:28.53 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> whats the output of uname -r? |
| 15:28.57 | wols | !harden |
| 15:28.57 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 15:29.10 | DynV | wols: I was trying to manage my LAN windows file transfer system thing to share with a win user :\ |
| 15:29.12 | knighthawk | wols, do you know about apt.leapster.org whenever I run apt-get update it seems to stall on that source |
| 15:29.34 | wols | knighthawk: no. it's not an official deban repo. and totally unsupported here. |
| 15:29.42 | wols | knighthawk: dpkg -l |grep tomcat |
| 15:29.43 | lleoliveirabr | Daren: intel 3945abg |
| 15:30.00 | DynV | wols: could that be why vino is running ? |
| 15:30.15 | wols | DynV: no. |
| 15:30.17 | wols | !vnc |
| 15:30.17 | dpkg | methinks vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc> |
| 15:30.20 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> whats the output of "uname -r" |
| 15:30.26 | wols | DynV: samba (smbd) is for filesharing with windows users |
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| 15:30.31 | lleoliveirabr | 2.6.22 |
| 15:30.38 | lleoliveirabr | something like this |
| 15:30.48 | nullroute | so whats the problem? |
| 15:30.52 | wols | lleoliveirabr: not "something like this" but EXACT version |
| 15:30.57 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> well is it that or something like thaT? |
| 15:31.06 | mojo-jojo | I'm a teacher so I have to compress documents that contains confidential grades, and information. I have an second harddrive for this. How would I make it encrypted? It is because of the risk of theft I'm doning this. |
| 15:31.07 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> it makes a difference. =/ |
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| 15:31.17 | DarenM | wols> lol |
| 15:31.18 | lleoliveirabr | will restart the Os to see, i'm on windows, wait |
| 15:31.23 | lleoliveirabr | ok? |
| 15:31.27 | knighthawk | looks like I don't have aptitude installed on this server. |
| 15:31.32 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> ok. take ur time |
| 15:31.33 | wols | mojo-jojo: I miss the question mark |
| 15:31.36 | DynV | wols: in your vino list you mentionned NFS so I though samba called it or something .. so I should close vino ?& |
| 15:31.40 | lleoliveirabr | thanks |
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| 15:31.48 | wols | knighthawk: what debian version? |
| 15:32.04 | wols | DynV: remove it. do you know what windows remote desktop is? |
| 15:32.27 | knighthawk | wols how do I find that out? |
| 15:32.30 | knighthawk | uname -a?? |
| 15:32.33 | DynV | wols: someone had me running it, but I RARELy use it |
| 15:32.34 | wols | !version |
| 15:32.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 15:32.45 | mojo-jojo | wols: How would I make it encrypted? It is etch, what method should I use? And how long time will it take thieves to crack it? Ofcourse I need something not too difficult to setup. This is for an secondary harddrive. |
| 15:32.46 | wols | DynV: vino is like rmeote desktop for linux |
| 15:32.49 | Andymeows | Hey guys, Anyone know if there are audio recordings available from SCALE 6x? |
| 15:32.59 | DynV | wols: oh ok I get it |
| 15:33.07 | wols | mojo-jojo: LUKS, truecrype, gpg encrypted files |
| 15:33.12 | nullroute | [02:26] <-psyBNC> Wrong Password. Disconnecting. |
| 15:33.23 | g-d | hey |
| 15:33.24 | knighthawk | cat /etc/debian_version says 4.0 |
| 15:33.25 | nullroute | password, user id is correct |
| 15:33.28 | nullroute | host ect |
| 15:33.28 | mojo-jojo | wols: LUKS works with debian etch? |
| 15:33.30 | wols | mojo-jojo: if you use a good password and 128bit encrpytion, only the NSA can crack it |
| 15:33.30 | g-d | does anyone know if I can use linux? |
| 15:33.44 | knighthawk | g-d to do what? |
| 15:33.44 | chandor | knighthawk: i would recommend commenting out everything bu lines 1,2,6 apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first |
| 15:33.45 | nullroute | g-d u tell me |
| 15:33.48 | Sero | I can ping a server, but not browse http on the local IP (192.168.123.60), but if I access it from outside my own network, the box replies as expected.. any suggestions? |
| 15:33.50 | nullroute | lol |
| 15:33.58 | wols | knighthawk: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 15:33.59 | muramasa | Hm, I get this error while trying to configure pidgin: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool Does anyone know what could be wrong? I cant seem to find any packages that I need to install |
| 15:34.06 | g-d | knighthawk, nullroute: you are such n00bs! |
| 15:34.08 | nullroute | Sero, is your dns correct? |
| 15:34.17 | wols | !tell muramasa about pidgin |
| 15:34.22 | nullroute | Sero, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:34.32 | wols | g-d: do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:34.35 | mojo-jojo | wols: NSA? No other country? Surley any policeman would be able to crack an encryption? |
| 15:34.43 | muramasa | wols, thanks ;) |
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| 15:34.47 | simonrvn | g-d: look who's talking |
| 15:34.48 | DynV | wols: could you suggest a site where the usual dos and donts are listed ? |
| 15:34.55 | g-d | ;D |
| 15:35.00 | ruied | got to go, see ya all.... |
| 15:35.02 | lleoliveirabr | Daren: the version is 2.6.22.3 |
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| 15:35.20 | wols | mojo-jojo: they can't. maybe the FBI if you are an al-qaida terrorist, but only then (and thewn they'd shit it to the NSA to actually to the work) |
| 15:35.21 | DarenM | does 2.6.23 contain the new mac80211 subsystem? |
| 15:35.32 | wols | police doesn't have the knowledge and manpower to do it |
| 15:35.34 | chandor | knighthawk: then i would add backports and tomcat (but with pinning in mind) |
| 15:35.36 | DarenM | or does it need to be atleast 24? |
| 15:35.48 | knighthawk | ii libc6 2.2.5-11.8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 15:35.55 | wols | DynV: if you go to kernels that new, go to .24 directly |
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| 15:36.02 | Sero | nullr: what does the search line in resolv.conf? it has added search xxxx.com which is my net service providers domain |
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| 15:36.09 | wols | knighthawk: this is NOT debian 4.0. not etch |
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| 15:36.17 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: cops can barely use photoshop as it is |
| 15:36.19 | Sero | nullroute: the second line is my local DNS server/router |
| 15:36.30 | wols | knighthawk: upgade your server |
| 15:36.33 | knighthawk | chandor what is pinning (sorry guys really raw on debian) |
| 15:36.35 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: I'm in norway... |
| 15:36.46 | wols | !tell knighthawk about sarge-etch |
| 15:36.47 | ServerSide | http://mig32.fr.nf/pub/index.php does it looks horrible? |
| 15:36.48 | DynV | wols: I'll keep that I mind ! I made a list of all your advice and I shall use it |
| 15:36.48 | wols | knighthawk: uname -a |
| 15:36.55 | lleoliveirabr | Darenm: so? |
| 15:36.56 | wols | !tell knighthawk about sarge->etch |
| 15:36.59 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> I'm going to recommned you don't use the iwl drivers. |
| 15:37.05 | DynV | wols: thank you very much ! |
| 15:37.11 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> let me give you a link to the other one |
| 15:37.25 | mojo-jojo | LUKS, does that work so if someone unplugg the computer the files is gone? |
| 15:37.29 | lleoliveirabr | ok, but is it easy to install? |
| 15:37.29 | wols | knighthawk: what kernel version is it? |
| 15:37.33 | Sero | nullroute! wow... removing the search line on the server did the job. thankx. |
| 15:37.34 | knighthawk | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 133 not upgraded. |
| 15:37.43 | mojo-jojo | Unless you have the passphrase... |
| 15:37.55 | wols | knighthawk: you haven't read what dpkg told you. DO IT |
| 15:38.01 | muramasa | wols, should I do something special after I've successfully compiled a new kernel? |
| 15:38.21 | wols | muramasa: that's how any filesystem encrpytion works. that's the point of it |
| 15:38.24 | knighthawk | Linux aznsc02 2.4.27-aznsc02 #1 Thu Dec 2 03:22:33 MST 2004 i686 unknown |
| 15:38.27 | wols | and it's not "gone" but encrypted |
| 15:38.36 | wols | muramasa: install it :) |
| 15:38.44 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: that's relevant how? ;) |
| 15:38.44 | wols | and reboot |
| 15:38.59 | muramasa | wols, encryption of what now? :-) |
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| 15:39.04 | muramasa | oh, then I guess I'm done now ;) |
| 15:39.09 | wols | muramasa: wrong nick complete. that was for mojo-jojo |
| 15:39.11 | knighthawk | wols, reading it now. |
| 15:39.13 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> it's not to bad |
| 15:39.15 | muramasa | hehe, sorry |
| 15:39.19 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> go here and download http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/#downloads |
| 15:39.25 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: We have very inteligent police, and laws that makes it impossibole to force someone to give up their encryption password. |
| 15:39.29 | wols | knighthawk: you need to upgrade SOON. this aprol your version of debian is EOL |
| 15:39.32 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> get the newest version |
| 15:39.41 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 15:39.47 | lleoliveirabr | next step? |
| 15:39.49 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> do you have a duel boot system setup> |
| 15:39.51 | wols | mojo-jojo: if you do your encrpytion rright, no one can crack it |
| 15:39.52 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> ? |
| 15:40.03 | lleoliveirabr | yes i have |
| 15:40.23 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: understood |
| 15:40.25 | lleoliveirabr | i'm on windiows now , its because cable it's way |
| 15:40.31 | lleoliveirabr | away |
| 15:40.39 | DarenM | Ok i will give you the steps the you can print them. |
| 15:40.43 | wols | mojo-jojo: a few intelligence services maybe but definitely no police |
| 15:40.54 | lleoliveirabr | so after you tell the steps i go to cable and enter on debian and follow the step |
| 15:41.04 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 15:41.09 | knighthawk | wols I'll upgrade today if I can figure it out. |
| 15:41.23 | mojo-jojo | wols: In norway? LUKS on an secondary harddrive, would that slow down the general system? |
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| 15:41.44 | wols | mojo-jojo: no |
| 15:41.50 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ go there and go to the requirements part |
| 15:41.50 | ^shark_ | what is the latest kernel version for etch? |
| 15:42.04 | lleoliveirabr | uhm ok |
| 15:42.06 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: strong passwords are key, as well as strong hashes |
| 15:42.06 | lleoliveirabr | will read |
| 15:42.09 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> get the binery microcode image and the user space regulatory daeman. |
| 15:42.22 | mmlj4 | 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 15:42.25 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 15:42.34 | DynV | wols: would including meeaninless words in the encrypted files brush off some crack attempt ? |
| 15:42.55 | lleoliveirabr | Darenm: and after? |
| 15:43.10 | wols | DynV: it can help against some attacks but is fule. hwo do you remove said random words? |
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| 15:43.24 | mojo-jojo | How long would it take to fill and 80gb 5400+ rpm harddrive with random data? To completly erase it? |
| 15:43.26 | ^shark_ | mmlj4: thank you |
| 15:43.42 | mmlj4 | don't that me, thank uname |
| 15:43.44 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> now that you have everything you need you'll need to compile the first file i told you to download it is the driver |
| 15:43.45 | wols | DynV: if you use 128bit smmetric encrpytion with strong passphrase you are safe. you get kidnapped and tortured before they crack it |
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| 15:43.49 | wols | much easier to kidnap you |
| 15:43.55 | ^shark_ | i have the latest kernel but something has gone wrong, it does not support IPsec!! |
| 15:43.58 | ^shark_ | i am stuck |
| 15:44.11 | mojo-jojo | wols: How many years are we talking about here= |
| 15:44.12 | mojo-jojo | ? |
| 15:44.12 | lleoliveirabr | Darenm: how to compile? i don't know how to do this |
| 15:44.20 | DynV | wols: especially since the US is agreeing with torture ! |
| 15:44.21 | Knight_Lord | mojo-jojo maybe 45min |
| 15:44.30 | wols | mojo-jojo: with current computing power: how old is the universe again? |
| 15:44.43 | DynV | "enhanced interrogation techniques" ! |
| 15:44.53 | wols | knighthawk: any proof of that? |
| 15:45.02 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> can you get connected to the internet on your linux partition? |
| 15:45.10 | mojo-jojo | wols: Seriously? |
| 15:45.16 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> through your wired interface? |
| 15:45.18 | lleoliveirabr | yes i can |
| 15:45.18 | wols | mojo-jojo: seriously |
| 15:45.26 | lleoliveirabr | with cable |
| 15:45.27 | lleoliveirabr | yes |
| 15:45.31 | simonrvn | wols: fix your tab key ;) |
| 15:45.34 | mojo-jojo | But how long would the nsa do it on? |
| 15:45.41 | wols | simonrvn: fix my brain! |
| 15:45.49 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> good. you will need to first get some things to compile with, you will need this stuff for many things to do with linux so it's best you get it now antyways. |
| 15:45.51 | jim | I'm |
| 15:45.53 | simonrvn | !fix wols' brain |
| 15:46.03 | jim | fixing my brain where the wolves get in |
| 15:46.09 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> when you get on debian go to the menu like administration or whatever and go to synaptic package mamager |
| 15:46.14 | jim | and stop my mind from wanderin |
| 15:46.18 | ^shark_ | is it possible to patch the latest 2.6.24 kernel for etch and what are the effects of such a configuration |
| 15:46.22 | wols | mojo-jojo: unless your real life name is Osama, th NSA won't look for your |
| 15:46.23 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 15:46.28 | abrotman | ^shark_: why would you? |
| 15:46.29 | wols | and if it is Osama, hire more bodyguards |
| 15:46.38 | simonrvn | ^shark_: you don't need to path the kernel for ipsec |
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| 15:46.47 | simonrvn | patch even |
| 15:47.00 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> once there click on settings then repositories |
| 15:47.06 | simonrvn | handy little util called modprobe is in order |
| 15:47.12 | mojo-jojo | wols: So I should be safe? What is the command for filling an harddrive with random data? |
| 15:47.22 | lleoliveirabr | just a question: is it not possible download the last kernel to make this work automatically? |
| 15:47.25 | lleoliveirabr | ok |
| 15:47.28 | muramasa | wols, how can I check if the kernel install went allright? as in, check what kernel is currently running and such? |
| 15:47.31 | abrotman | !dban |
| 15:47.31 | dpkg | [dban] http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | mojo-jojo: ^^ |
| 15:47.44 | wols | muramasa: does not exist. get yourself a true RNG instead |
| 15:47.49 | wols | muramasa: like on a Via C7 CPU |
| 15:48.08 | mojo-jojo | Where would I get a floppy? |
| 15:48.22 | liable | floppy shop? |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | they have an ISO also |
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| 15:48.25 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> well. the thing is I have the same exact card as you, and with the driver iwl with the newer kernel i have problems so i don't want you to encounter the smae errors as i did when i was first trying to get my card work |
| 15:48.27 | DarenM | ing |
| 15:48.30 | mojo-jojo | woho |
| 15:48.39 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> your kinda new to linux huh? |
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| 15:48.53 | lleoliveirabr | yes i'm new |
| 15:48.53 | mojo-jojo | I guess it is kinda important I unplug the rigth harddrive? |
| 15:48.57 | muramasa | wols, true random generated number?:P |
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| 15:49.02 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 15:49.02 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". |
| 15:49.03 | lleoliveirabr | understood your point of view |
| 15:49.32 | mojo-jojo | abrotman: Will it contunue forever? |
| 15:49.33 | liable | needs to be upgraded for 24 and iwl |
| 15:49.40 | simonrvn | random number generator |
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| 15:49.45 | moldy | hi |
| 15:49.57 | moldy | on a default mailman installation, how do i access the mailman web interface? |
| 15:49.58 | lleoliveirabr | darenM: what dpkg said is the correct way? |
| 15:50.02 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> yes |
| 15:50.03 | abrotman | mojo-jojo: NFC .. i would assume it's a process .. though i guess you could run it more than once |
| 15:50.07 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> it's a simpler way |
| 15:50.11 | wols | muramasa: it's damn hard to generate proper radnom numbers. your standard PC just can't do it |
| 15:50.15 | simonrvn | moldy: via apache |
| 15:50.19 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> it's one command and then its done. |
| 15:50.26 | liable | abrotman: fix that factoid to add iwl for 24 kernels please |
| 15:50.29 | moldy | simonrvn: can you give me an example url? |
| 15:50.30 | wols | muramasa: at least not in quantity to fill a whole hdd in a short time with it |
| 15:50.33 | lleoliveirabr | so if i do that all will work automatically |
| 15:50.35 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> i didn't now about it. i usually don't do things the "debian way" |
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| 15:50.39 | abrotman | moldy: http://<server>/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/ .. for example |
| 15:50.44 | abrotman | liable: who what? |
| 15:50.48 | moldy | abrotman: thx! |
| 15:50.48 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> yes it should work if you do that command. |
| 15:50.48 | mojo-jojo | abrotman: Because the files have to be removed, then overwritten, removed, overwritten and so on... |
| 15:50.51 | muramasa | wols, I can imagine, but how that would help me detecting my kernel version I'm not aware |
| 15:50.55 | nullroute | is apt-get update and apt-get upgrade the only 2 upgrade commands? |
| 15:50.58 | abrotman | mojo-jojo: try it .. read the website |
| 15:51.02 | nullroute | or is there one for security too |
| 15:51.05 | liable | abrotman: iwl3945 is in main as of 2.6.24 |
| 15:51.20 | liable | and iwl4965 |
| 15:51.25 | abrotman | but no firmware ? |
| 15:51.34 | liable | firmware is in sid |
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| 15:51.38 | wols | muramasa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urandom |
| 15:51.43 | lleoliveirabr | dpkg: What exactly need to be added in source.list |
| 15:51.48 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: dpg is abot |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | dpkg |
| 15:51.53 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> what it says about the sources.list is the same as the repositories i was talking to you about. |
| 15:51.54 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 15:51.54 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 15:52.02 | wols | muramasa: it won't. blame my broken tab complete. or blame simonrvn.yes, blame simonrvn |
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| 15:52.22 | wols | muramasa: uname -a for your kernel. and dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 15:52.24 | nullroute | lol |
| 15:52.28 | lleoliveirabr | DarenM: understand but on source.list has no the non free url |
| 15:52.38 | simonrvn | wols: we get blamed for all kinds of bullshit, i'm used to it ;) |
| 15:52.47 | muramasa | wols, haha, got me confused there for a while :-) damn you simonrvn ! |
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| 15:53.09 | jim | wols: |
| 15:53.12 | jim | http://pastebin.ca/903899 |
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| 15:53.14 | abrotman | liable: better? |
| 15:53.16 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> whats in your sources.list? |
| 15:53.36 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: on each source line .. add "contrib non-free" |
| 15:53.39 | lleoliveirabr | i think need the non free |
| 15:53.40 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: to the end |
| 15:53.44 | liable | abrotman: danke |
| 15:53.47 | wizard_ | re all, whats the best way to set up a VPN which can be accessed from both MACOS and windows clients? still pppd? |
| 15:54.02 | lleoliveirabr | each source line? |
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| 15:54.08 | nullroute | whereis eggdrop.conf |
| 15:54.11 | nullroute | whereis eggdrop.conf.tgz |
| 15:54.14 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.16 | wols | jim: dpkg -l |grep composite |
| 15:54.23 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> each url in that file.. |
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| 15:54.32 | ^shark_ | simonrvn: although i could be wrong also |
| 15:54.40 | muramasa | wols, hm, now I got confused once again; 2.6.18-6-686 is the kernel announced by uname -a, but I just upgraded to 2.6.24 :( |
| 15:54.42 | wols | jim: composite extension is missing in X: the "Fatal: No composite extension" is a big clue |
| 15:54.47 | lleoliveirabr | give me an example here |
| 15:54.50 | jim | ii libxcomposite1 0.3-3 X11 Composite extension library |
| 15:54.51 | lleoliveirabr | can be? |
| 15:54.54 | simonrvn | ^shark_: "working ipsec stack" implies kernel support |
| 15:55.00 | nullroute | damn I hate that beeping then you press backspace too many times |
| 15:55.02 | wols | muramasa: did you reboot after you installed 2.6.24? |
| 15:55.10 | nullroute | how do I disable it in the kernal |
| 15:55.11 | muramasa | wols, yes, I just did |
| 15:55.13 | nullroute | kernel |
| 15:55.25 | wols | muramasa: you obviosuly didn't. pastebin your menu.lst |
| 15:55.35 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 15:55.36 | jim | so maybe that thing isn't turned on in the config? |
| 15:55.39 | wols | !beep |
| 15:55.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 15:55.48 | wols | !nobeep |
| 15:55.51 | abrotman | DarenM: is he using testing? |
| 15:55.52 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> thats one of the lines in my sources.list |
| 15:55.54 | ^shark_ | simonrvn: all i need is enable NETKEY, right? |
| 15:55.56 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: don't use that |
| 15:55.59 | simonrvn | nullroute: not done in the kernel, technically |
| 15:56.00 | nullroute | whereis eggdrop.conf stored? I know it's zipped somewhere |
| 15:56.00 | lleoliveirabr | so after this i just do this on konsole: aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945 |
| 15:56.01 | DarenM | abrotman> yes |
| 15:56.03 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:56.10 | wols | jim: afaik yes. could need some xorg.conf setting. ask the #compiz-fusion channel I guess |
| 15:56.14 | lleoliveirabr | lenny |
| 15:56.19 | lleoliveirabr | lenny version |
| 15:56.19 | abrotman | DarenM: you sohuld fix yours too |
| 15:56.24 | nullroute | plz |
| 15:56.25 | mogh | i got some directories containing "umlaut"s i can not cd into - what do i need to do to access them? |
| 15:56.36 | DarenM | abrotman> fix my what? |
| 15:56.37 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" |
| 15:56.44 | wols | !info user-de etch |
| 15:56.46 | jim | ok, thanks for helping me get this far; it will help me get doom/quake going too |
| 15:56.46 | abrotman | DarenM: pionting at ftp.debian.org isn't a great idea |
| 15:56.48 | dpkg | user-de: (Settings for German speaking users), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (etch), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 15 kB |
| 15:56.52 | lleoliveirabr | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:57.02 | DarenM | abrotman> why not? |
| 15:57.04 | wols | jim: doom should run now already. except the soound issue |
| 15:57.04 | lleoliveirabr | so on each line i'll add like that example |
| 15:57.05 | abrotman | nor using ftp as your protocol |
| 15:57.14 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> yes |
| 15:57.19 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: or you can paste your sources.list somewhere .. and i'll fix the whole thing |
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| 15:57.22 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:57.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 15:57.38 | wols | abrotman: why can't you fix me too? |
| 15:57.42 | DarenM | abrotman> he's on a duel boot |
| 15:57.45 | DarenM | dual* |
| 15:57.48 | liable | !fix wols |
| 15:57.48 | lleoliveirabr | abrotman, i'll do this, to you fix |
| 15:58.00 | wols | DarenM: if he uses ext3 it's easy to fix, even when he's in windows rihgt now |
| 15:58.01 | lleoliveirabr | wait |
| 15:58.15 | wols | liable: simonrvn already tried that |
| 15:58.23 | DarenM | wols> this is i think his first time...i dunno... |
| 15:58.23 | jim | you mean doom original? or doom3? |
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| 15:58.28 | lleoliveirabr | i'm on windows and don't see linux files |
| 15:58.28 | simonrvn | ^shark_: been a while... pluto, as long as you have the right stuff installed in the kernel ("kernel drivers") it'll be happy. i don't recall exact list, but IIRC debian etch kernels have the right stuff enabled. just a matter of modprobing the stuff (modprobe -l will tell you what kernel modules you have - pipe it to your favourite pager, it's a long list ;) |
| 15:58.32 | jim | also what about q4? :) |
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| 15:58.45 | liable | wols: we cant take any chances, i dont want to see you breed! |
| 15:58.46 | abrotman | wols: i could .. but the outcome isn't as good :) |
| 15:58.48 | wols | jim: no clue |
| 15:58.51 | Qaldune | hello, I'm on 64 bit and I've created a 32-bit chroot environment but i need to have access to the base system /dev in the chroot system, how could i do that? |
| 15:58.59 | jim | ok, I'll deal. thanks again |
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| 15:59.07 | abrotman | bind mount perhaps |
| 15:59.12 | wols | jim: never ran Q4 on any OS |
| 15:59.27 | simonrvn | Qaldune: bind mount the real /dev to the chroot |
| 15:59.30 | lleoliveirabr | Abrotman, tell me, after i install this things, and new kernel be released with wireless support, will i need to remove this i'm adding now |
| 15:59.33 | muramasa | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49153 |
| 15:59.43 | jim | I did, the id site says you can run it on linux with the q4 cd and a download |
| 15:59.44 | Qaldune | simonrvn how do i do that? |
| 15:59.48 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: shouldn't have to . might need new firmware .. but should be okay |
| 15:59.50 | simonrvn | !bind mount |
| 16:00.12 | wols | muramasa: you haven't installed your new kernel. dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 16:00.14 | tralala | muramasa, now you have to install the linux-image package you created |
| 16:00.17 | mogh | thx for the info on user-de, but i guess it is not a general problem, as it only occurs on some files i have on an external hd |
| 16:00.23 | lleoliveirabr | Abrotman: thanks and wait |
| 16:00.36 | tralala | muramasa, oh, I can see that wols has taken the case |
| 16:00.36 | Qaldune | ?? |
| 16:00.43 | wols | mogh: is that hdd FAT or NTFS? |
| 16:00.44 | DarenM | lleoliveirabr> if you can get online through your wired interface on your debian partition then get on that and come back to here. |
| 16:00.48 | mogh | wols: ext3 |
| 16:00.59 | wols | mogh: then ther shouldn't be any problems |
| 16:01.06 | wols | mogh: try it with a tab complete |
| 16:01.09 | muramasa | tralala wols, so what the bot told me about kpkg (or something) was just a image package I created? |
| 16:01.14 | Qaldune | simonvrn could you please tell me how to do that? |
| 16:01.16 | mogh | wols: doesn't work |
| 16:01.27 | simonrvn | bah |
| 16:01.32 | wols | muramasa: yes, you created a .deb. now you must install that deb with dpkg -i |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: you do know that there is a channel where you can get debian help in portuguese right ? |
| 16:01.56 | mogh | wols: find . -name "*foo*" -exec mv {} bar \; (where foo is an expression without umlauts) does not work either |
| 16:01.56 | abrotman | (though your english isn't that bad .. just thought it might be easier) |
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| 16:02.05 | lleoliveirabr | yes i know, but people are not so fast as here |
| 16:02.07 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 16:02.10 | DarenM | lol |
| 16:02.14 | simonrvn | mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev for instance |
| 16:02.27 | tralala | muramasa, ls /usr/src/*deb |
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| 16:02.51 | Qaldune | $filesystem should be devfs? |
| 16:02.54 | muramasa | aha! |
| 16:02.56 | lleoliveirabr | will go now |
| 16:03.03 | muramasa | tralala, I see, there's my .deb file hehe |
| 16:03.19 | simonrvn | Qaldune: no, whatever filesystem (real fs) /dev lives on |
| 16:03.32 | wols | muramasa: now install it and it will create 2 new entries in your menu.lst for your grub menu |
| 16:03.39 | simonrvn | Qaldune: ext3 or jfs or reiser or ext2 or xfs or whatever else |
| 16:03.41 | mogh | wols: any idea? |
| 16:03.49 | wols | mogh: not really, sorry |
| 16:03.57 | mogh | wols: ok, thx anyway |
| 16:04.04 | wols | mogh: what debian did create th files on the external hdd? |
| 16:04.12 | simonrvn | Qaldune: devfs is old 2.4 crap anyway |
| 16:04.16 | Qaldune | ok |
| 16:04.18 | Qaldune | thank you |
| 16:04.21 | tralala | muramasa, install it, reboot and see if your sound starts working |
| 16:04.22 | wols | all I can think of is it was created under ISO and now debian uses utf8 |
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| 16:04.35 | muramasa | wols tralala, mighty fine both of you! thanks alot! be right back reboot |
| 16:04.39 | mogh | wols: debian etch running on an nslu2 (via samba), the system now is debian etch |
| 16:04.41 | wols | Mushbills: don't forget to pray :) |
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| 16:05.17 | simonrvn | Qaldune: if you're running udev, better to mount that fs (`mount' should tell you what that is, use that for $filesystem) |
| 16:05.24 | wols | Mushbills: could be that samba uses some shitty windows codepage or such |
| 16:05.28 | wols | and no clue what NSLU2 uses |
| 16:05.36 | wols | damn nick complete! |
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| 16:05.42 | Qaldune | OK |
| 16:05.43 | Qaldune | thx |
| 16:05.50 | simonrvn | wols: DUDE! |
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| 16:06.19 | wols | simonrvn: I am no from cali. I'm no "dude" |
| 16:06.25 | Joelito | Hi all, I'm about to install debian, and need cool more repos to add. can anyone suggest me a link to see them? |
| 16:06.32 | mogh | wols: ls -la in the directory shows "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? blöderFilename" and i tried convmv to change the codepage, but convmv doesn't work on the file |
| 16:06.34 | wols | Joelito: you don't need them |
| 16:06.57 | wols | mogh: it really shows tons of ? ? |
| 16:07.06 | Joelito | wols: http://ftp.debian.org |
| 16:07.10 | mogh | wols: yes |
| 16:07.12 | wols | !tell Joelito about dmm |
| 16:07.31 | wols | Joelito: what about ftp.debian.org? |
| 16:07.43 | jelly | fsck that |
| 16:07.44 | wols | !tell Joelito about mirrors |
| 16:07.48 | Joelito | wols: Is it fast? |
| 16:07.56 | wols | Joelito: in what country are you? |
| 16:08.09 | mogh | wols: ? where there usually should be the file information (uid/gid), the name of the file/directory itself is shown correctly (with umlauts, no ?) |
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| 16:08.27 | Joelito | wols: México (mx) |
| 16:08.36 | wols | juliank: use ftp.mx.debian.org then |
| 16:09.05 | mojo-jojo | DBAN deletes everything? For sure? |
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| 16:09.46 | wols | mogh: for sure |
| 16:09.49 | wols | mojo-jojo: ^^ |
| 16:10.02 | simonrvn | there, done someone else can clean up the grammar or whatever if they want |
| 16:10.08 | ShredZ | I made a .deb, but after installation it will default its config file to ~/debian/etc/ instead of /etc, am I missing some configure parameter ? |
| 16:10.08 | wols | mojo-jojo: I'm starting to get suspicious of you |
| 16:10.41 | wols | simonrvn: I start to use proper english grammar when you start to use proper german grammar. deal? |
| 16:10.46 | ^shark_ | how do i enable ipsec in the kernel |
| 16:10.51 | Qaldune | does anyone have experience on running framebuffer programs on chroot environments? |
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| 16:11.40 | simonrvn | !ipsec |
| 16:11.40 | dpkg | hmm... ipsec is implemented for Linux with FreeS/WAN, or at http://www.freeswan.org/ IP Security, it allows you to do things like encrypt and authenticate and compress IP streams between two nodes/networks on the fly (kernel level), or even supported by >= Windows 2000, so you should know what it is, or for the love of $DEITY, include the cryptoapi stuff as 'Y' instead of 'M' or, you're screwed. |
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| 16:14.57 | mojo-jojo | wols: Why?? With all thefts of confidentialy data these days everyone should take precausions... |
| 16:15.22 | abrotman | mojo-jojo: what does the website say? |
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| 16:15.52 | robboplus | can anyone in here recommend a reliable company offering VPS services? |
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| 16:15.59 | mojo-jojo | abrotman: That it will stop or slow down most forensic things, but it also says that it will take ages... |
| 16:16.01 | Administrador | Hi |
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| 16:16.22 | wols | robboplus: this is debian related how? |
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| 16:16.36 | Joelito | wols: Is this well formatted-> deb http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian main contrib non-free |
| 16:16.48 | Administrador | Can somebody explain me or point to a good and updated document on how to install debian etch on server with SATA DVD rom that does not recognize the drive after booting ? ? ? ? |
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| 16:16.55 | robboplus | wols they only way i can think of is that many VPS are debian based ;) |
| 16:16.56 | abrotman | mojo-jojo: best you can do i suppose |
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| 16:17.36 | robboplus | wols don't be mad, i won't try again, was seriously looking for some help with that and no idea where elsewhere to ask |
| 16:17.38 | mojo-jojo | abrotman: I'm going away for the weekend, maybe I shall delete it then, can gparted setup encrypted partitions? |
| 16:17.39 | wols | robboplus: not enough |
| 16:17.47 | abrotman | mojo-jojo: try it |
| 16:17.51 | wols | robboplus: #web, or some webhostingtalk forum |
| 16:18.02 | mojo-jojo | abrotman: What should I install? |
| 16:18.05 | robboplus | hm indeed, thank you wols! |
| 16:18.13 | wols | !tell Administrador about kmuto |
| 16:18.13 | Administrador | Can somebody explain me or point to a good and updated document on how to install debian etch on server with SATA DVD rom that does not recognize the drive after booting ? ? ? ? |
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| 16:20.09 | Administrador | kmuto kernels doesn't work if you want your kernel headers |
| 16:20.26 | Administrador | when you want to download them you get a inferior version |
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| 16:21.10 | Administrador | I need a kernel that is no hacked |
| 16:21.11 | Justin | Administrador: install with pxe |
| 16:21.27 | Administrador | pxe ? can you point me to a document ? |
| 16:21.31 | mojo-jojo | Does trucrypt be able to mount in command line? |
| 16:21.51 | Administrador | Justin please point me to a document |
| 16:22.13 | Enf0rc3r | whereis eggdrop.conf stored? I know it's zipped somewhere |
| 16:22.37 | Justin | Administrador: the debian installation guide |
| 16:22.41 | Administrador | ok I know what you mean |
| 16:22.59 | Administrador | Justin the usb installation it's at the debian official documentation and it does not work |
| 16:23.09 | Justin | Administrador: usb installation would work too |
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| 16:23.28 | Administrador | Justin I followed the instructions and it does not boot. |
| 16:23.30 | eth01 | weird nick. |
| 16:23.32 | Administrador | Justin wait |
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| 16:23.39 | eth01 | change it to Administrator why don't you. |
| 16:23.52 | simonrvn | Enf0rc3r: ok, you've come in here in 2 nicks, and asked the same questions, why don't you either get the debian package or get an original tarball from their site? |
| 16:24.02 | Justin | Administrador: it should work, you must have done something wrong, or your server is not setup to boot from usb |
| 16:24.06 | Justin | Administrador: check the bios |
| 16:24.08 | Enf0rc3r | I've got the package |
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| 16:24.21 | thesaint4444 | hi, can anyone give me an idea how I would set wine up on a dapper lts server that is running without x-windows. I have a windows console program I want to run... |
| 16:24.38 | simonrvn | Enf0rc3r: then learn how to use dpkg; man dpkg; hint: -L |
| 16:24.39 | Enf0rc3r | simonrvn, I just can't can't find eggdrop.conf |
| 16:24.40 | Justin | thesaint4444: apt-get install wine? |
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| 16:25.42 | thesaint4444 | justin: yes, it is installed ok but the setup procedure involves winecfg which starts to complain about an x-server etc... |
| 16:26.04 | Justin | thesaint4444: you don't need to use winecfg, or if you do, you don't need to configure it on the server itself |
| 16:26.06 | thesaint4444 | justin: just wondering if anybody had already done something similar... |
| 16:26.25 | thesaint4444 | justin: my windows program is a console app... |
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| 16:27.36 | thesaint4444 | justin: i was wondering about that... thought that might be the case, not familiar with wine. what do i need to do after installing wine to run my console app? |
| 16:27.51 | Justin | thesaint4444: not much, just need a wine config file |
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| 16:28.07 | thesaint4444 | justin: ok, where do I put it? |
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| 16:28.14 | js1 | if i have a file.deb how do i install it? |
| 16:29.13 | Justin | thesaint4444: ~/ |
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| 16:29.33 | simonrvn | js1: man dpkg; /install |
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| 16:29.56 | thesaint4444 | justin: cool, got it... thanks for the help. |
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| 16:33.01 | mogh | wols: maybe it helps, stat says it cannot stat the directory |
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| 16:33.33 | ^shark_ | i want to reinstall the kernel image, any one help with some info |
| 16:33.39 | liable | two bits cant execute now |
| 16:33.46 | liable | oops |
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| 16:37.12 | mojo-jojo | I'm going to try truecrypt... |
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| 16:39.58 | mojo-jojo | Apt-get not find truecrypt, me want! |
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| 16:40.19 | General_Tso | Hello. Does ntpdate-debian depend on ntpdate? Or do you use either ntpdate or ntpdate-debian? |
| 16:41.02 | valdyn | !info ntpdate-debian |
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| 16:41.17 | valdyn | 17:40 <dpkg> Package 'ntpdate-debian' does not exist. |
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| 16:43.13 | Enf0rc3r | where will I find eggdrop.conf |
| 16:43.55 | Enf0rc3r | . /examples somewhere |
| 16:44.00 | huhlig | ok, what is with the debian installer freezing |
| 16:44.11 | General_Tso | valdyn, thanks. Is part of the ntpdate package thanks? I'm looking at its man page, I'm just trying to figure out if I have a redundant package. |
| 16:44.27 | General_Tso | than?* |
| 16:44.39 | simonrvn | Enf0rc3r: dpkg -L eggdrop like i pointed you at earlier... suggestion, maybe you should re-think this |
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| 16:45.28 | plb | I'm probably missing something obvious... a user issues a chmod in directory he owns on a subdirectory he owns and gets "chown: changing group of `neuralNetworks/': Operation not permitted" |
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| 16:46.59 | plb | ugh... figured it out... the directory three parents up didn't have write permissions |
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| 16:49.45 | plb | well.. hrm.. actually it still isn't working |
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| 16:50.01 | valdyn | plb: thats ok. |
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| 16:50.42 | _ergo_ | how stable is 'unstable' ? ;-) can i use it as development machine without risk that it "breaks" ? |
| 16:50.52 | valdyn | _ergo_: no |
| 16:51.07 | valdyn | _ergo_: do you realise how silly that question is? |
| 16:51.10 | maligor | quite rare that it breaks |
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| 16:51.18 | maligor | atleast anything critical |
| 16:51.24 | Akatemik | Quite easy o keep it working with apt-bugs, though |
| 16:51.25 | mojo-jojo | Is unstable more stable than windowsxp? |
| 16:51.33 | valdyn | mojo-jojo: no |
| 16:51.35 | chandor | _ergo_: consider using lenny instead |
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| 16:51.48 | mojo-jojo | valdyn: Sure? |
| 16:51.58 | mojo-jojo | Windows crashes once in a while... |
| 16:52.01 | huhlig | anyone know why populairity contest would cause a freeze? |
| 16:52.30 | _ergo_ | valdyn: : sorry , by unstable i meant testing :/ |
| 16:52.32 | _ergo_ | my bad |
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| 16:52.41 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 16:53.35 | _ergo_ | chandor: : i was thinking about lenny actually |
| 16:53.39 | Enf0rc3r | simonrvn: it didn't find it |
| 16:53.50 | Enf0rc3r | whats the best server to use with ntpdate |
| 16:53.50 | plb | so any ideas why a chgrp (or chown for that matter) would return "Operation not permitted" when the file directory being changed and its parent are owned by the user issuing the command? |
| 16:53.56 | mojo-jojo | I've never exspirienced an debian crash, but I'm using stable. I've seen some programs that crash, but the OS always is stable. One driver doesent work but it tells me at bnoot time instead of crashing randomly. |
| 16:53.59 | simonrvn | Enf0rc3r: looked in /etc ? |
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| 16:54.10 | valdyn | plb: users cannot chown or chgrp |
| 16:54.13 | maligor | testing lacks the suspense of waiting for the next time something breaks the system startup |
| 16:54.30 | jelly | huhlig: at install time, or running it later? Could be dns issues |
| 16:54.34 | Akatemik | maligor: Don't restart |
| 16:54.39 | simonrvn | maligor: hehe |
| 16:55.15 | _ergo_ | cmon, i know im a noob but i really like to learn on others experience ;-) |
| 16:55.19 | maligor | Akatemik, keep on shifting kernels with kexec? |
| 16:55.26 | Enf0rc3r | ye[ |
| 16:55.33 | Enf0rc3r | yep |
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| 16:55.36 | Akatemik | maligor: Or use Xen |
| 16:55.40 | maligor | except don't you have to run system startup on kexec |
| 16:55.44 | plb | valdyn: anywhere? or just outside their home because I just successfully did a chown in the home directory |
| 16:55.47 | Akatemik | Xen with no connectivity to the internet |
| 16:55.49 | Enf0rc3r | simonrvn: yesI have |
| 16:56.01 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: you can thank the way *nix works, and linux's similar behaviour for that |
| 16:56.02 | valdyn | plb: users cannot chown or chgrp, ever |
| 16:56.10 | Akatemik | Unfortunately that doesn't help me, since my hw has a habit of "demanding" restarts |
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| 16:56.24 | Akatemik | Basicly it can't keep the voltage high enough for memories... |
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| 16:56.32 | simonrvn | they can chgrp if they're a mmeber of that group |
| 16:56.40 | plb | jbjohns@twang:~$ ls -l |
| 16:56.40 | plb | total 12 |
| 16:56.40 | plb | drwxr-xr-x 3 jbjohns uucp 4096 2007-08-28 14:18 ms_windows |
| 16:56.40 | plb | jbjohns@twang:~$ chown :srl ms_windows |
| 16:56.40 | plb | jbjohns@twang:~$ ls -l |
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| 16:56.49 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: About that driver, fotgot witch one it was. Didnt delte it, just remove the program. |
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| 16:57.03 | mojo-jojo | s/program/device |
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| 16:57.31 | plb | dang it pasted into the wrong window :-P |
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| 16:58.10 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 16:58.16 | plb | valdyn: so why did this work? http://pastebin.com/m4df34eae |
| 16:58.20 | Nyle | Linuturk: congrats |
| 16:58.23 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: good morning |
| 16:58.25 | valdyn | plb: what simonrvn said |
| 16:58.33 | Linuturk | Now I have to configure everything :-/ |
| 16:58.39 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: What encryption method do you use? |
| 16:58.52 | Nyle | I blow the fish. |
| 16:59.10 | plb | I got bumped out by my accidental paste before I saw it, can you repeat simonrvn |
| 16:59.10 | mojo-jojo | Blowfish? Isnt that weak? |
| 16:59.14 | Nyle | I don't use any encryption. |
| 16:59.21 | valdyn | 17:56 < simonrvn> they can chgrp if they're a mmeber of that group |
| 16:59.36 | mike1o | I have ssh access to a LAN... how do I forward a webserver in that LAN to myself (im outside the LAN)? |
| 16:59.42 | plb | ah.. hrm.. that complicates matters... |
| 17:00.05 | Akatemik | mike1o: man ssh |
| 17:00.10 | mojo-jojo | Is there any advence file permission rigts that would allow me to give acces to some users? |
| 17:00.12 | Akatemik | Search for "forwarding" |
| 17:00.17 | Nyle | Akatemik: ... |
| 17:00.19 | mike1o | tnx |
| 17:00.19 | Nyle | no. |
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| 17:00.51 | valdyn | mojo-jojo: you can use acl but that's likely more complex than worth dealing with. |
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| 17:01.06 | mojo-jojo | valdyn: So I should create user groups? |
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| 17:01.16 | Nyle | mike1o: what exactly are you wanting/ |
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| 17:01.26 | valdyn | mojo-jojo: yea |
| 17:01.35 | mojo-jojo | Can I make a usertype? So I can easily make users with general accces and users without? |
| 17:01.43 | Nyle | mr rvn! |
| 17:01.44 | mike1o | Nyle, I want to open a local site |
| 17:01.48 | simonrvn | simonrvn> they can chgrp if they're a mmeber of that group |
| 17:01.59 | simonrvn | oh nm :) |
| 17:02.04 | Nyle | mike1o: is NAT in place? |
| 17:02.15 | Nyle | mike1o: where does the routing occur |
| 17:02.24 | mike1o | Nyle, it's not |
| 17:02.34 | Nyle | so what do you mean by forward a webserver? |
| 17:02.37 | mike1o | only ssh nat is |
| 17:03.00 | mike1o | Nyle, I mean I want to open a local site... remotely |
| 17:03.09 | Akatemik | Nyle: He can ssh to the lan, webserver can be accessed from the lan, he want's to connect to the webserver |
| 17:03.14 | Akatemik | Basic case of ssh forwarding |
| 17:03.24 | mojo-jojo | mike1o: Use an web based browser |
| 17:03.29 | Nyle | you'll have to open the webserver up to the external world, is what I think. |
| 17:03.37 | Akatemik | No he doesn't have to |
| 17:03.45 | Nyle | Akatemik: explain |
| 17:03.47 | mike1o | Nyle, I don't |
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| 17:03.51 | Akatemik | Nyle: man ssh |
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| 17:03.56 | mike1o | x11 forwading |
| 17:03.58 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: He can open the local site to configure the NAT |
| 17:04.00 | Nyle | oh |
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| 17:04.02 | Nyle | thats what he wants |
| 17:04.06 | Nyle | motherfuck |
| 17:04.08 | Nyle | !sshx |
| 17:04.08 | dpkg | it has been said that sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try ... |
| 17:04.10 | lleoliveirabr | Hi abrotman |
| 17:04.11 | Akatemik | He doesn't need nat... |
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| 17:04.20 | Nyle | 12:02 < mike1o> x11 forwading |
| 17:04.21 | Akatemik | Argh |
| 17:04.23 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:04.29 | Nyle | what did I miss? |
| 17:04.35 | Akatemik | No, he doesn't need to open the webbrowser remotely |
| 17:04.42 | Akatemik | Nyle: You misse the man page I pointed to |
| 17:04.43 | pzn | Hi! I have an debian etch iso cd image. However, I run out of empty CDs... and have many empty DVDs. how to burn a DVD with an iso image? do I need to convert it? |
| 17:04.47 | Nyle | does he even know what he wants ;) |
| 17:04.47 | mojo-jojo | do I have to install sshx to get grapical userface remotley? |
| 17:04.49 | lleoliveirabr | Abrotman: wireless worked but removed a lot of things. i think was because the non free on all lines |
| 17:04.50 | Akatemik | Check the ssh switches L and -R |
| 17:04.56 | Nyle | Akatemik: ohhhhhh |
| 17:05.00 | Nyle | I see what you mean |
| 17:05.03 | Enf0rc3r | simonrvn: It didn't find eggdrop.conf |
| 17:05.05 | lleoliveirabr | the interface changed, many programs was removed |
| 17:05.42 | lleoliveirabr | stayed simple. how to back to normal. I can't even see the source,list now |
| 17:06.16 | lleoliveirabr | didn't open, an error when opening |
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| 17:07.04 | Nyle | pzn: not at all |
| 17:07.11 | Nyle | pzn: just burn it like a regular normal cd |
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| 17:07.39 | Nyle | pzn: instead of create dvd, you should select in your burning software an option similar to "burn cd/dvd from ISO file" |
| 17:07.58 | Nyle | something of the sort, I know gnome-baker and k3b, I prefer k3b, and the option is there |
| 17:08.13 | pzn | Nyle: I tried burn from iso in xcdroast and also in gnomebaker. the error is: incompatible media type |
| 17:08.25 | Nyle | maybe its a + or a - |
| 17:08.38 | Nyle | maybe you can only do one kind of dvd and stuff I dunno |
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| 17:09.08 | Nyle | pzn: and I use k3b to burn iso to dvds, cuz thas all i got left too ;) |
| 17:09.21 | Nyle | kde ftw! |
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| 17:09.39 | pzn | Nyle, I don't have kde here... |
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| 17:10.04 | Nyle | yeh bummer ;) |
| 17:10.21 | Nyle | pzn: you can burn these dvds you have in your burner before? |
| 17:10.22 | Enf0rc3r | simonrvn! |
| 17:10.23 | peppe | pzn: don't convert it at all, you can burn a CD image onto a DVD |
| 17:10.35 | Nyle | peppe: look at his error message |
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| 17:11.05 | Nyle | i don' tknow xcdroast or gnome-baker very well |
| 17:11.16 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: so it's good or bad? |
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| 17:12.09 | _ergo_ | valdyn: i want to correct my question , is lenny stable enough to be used as developement section ? |
| 17:12.30 | wols | !testing faq |
| 17:12.30 | dpkg | somebody said testing faq was an _unofficial_ FAQ for the testing branch of debian, which is at http://people.debian.org/~jules/testingfaq.html |
| 17:12.38 | Nyle | _ergo_: if you have the balls. |
| 17:13.16 | _ergo_ | the url that bot gave is a 404 ;-) |
| 17:13.30 | Akatemik | _ergo_: Use it and judge for yourself |
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| 17:13.34 | Akatemik | I use sid but I know what I'm doing |
| 17:13.51 | Nyle | hey dudes |
| 17:13.56 | _ergo_ | i dont ;-) |
| 17:14.04 | Akatemik | Some people use whatever their company gives them so that they don't have to do the troubleshooting |
| 17:14.16 | Akatemik | _ergo_: You can learn |
| 17:14.17 | Nyle | reading the iceweasel manpage, and I don't see how to open a URL through a icon/shortcut |
| 17:14.24 | _ergo_ | i just want to use it in vmware to test webapps i build |
| 17:14.39 | peppe | pzn: try to burn them directly with growisofs, I already made some dvd using cd .iso images |
| 17:14.41 | Akatemik | I changed from testing to sid and back quite many times until settling for sid |
| 17:14.48 | Nyle | like %s means to send the entire url in klipper, so iceweasel %s isn't working |
| 17:14.50 | peppe | pzn: eventually try just a simulation |
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| 17:15.13 | Akatemik | Been years since I've used any other debian. Then of course derivatives like Ubuntu when I don't want to waste time doing extra admin work |
| 17:15.16 | pzn | peppe, ok, trying |
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| 17:16.05 | peppe | pzn: like # growisofs -Z /dev/yourdvdburner=/your/iso/image -dvd-compat -speed=4 -use-the-force-luke=dummy |
| 17:16.06 | _ergo_ | Akatemik: sure , but i know very little about linuxes in general |
| 17:16.25 | mogh | wols: i found a workaround - connected the drive to an xp machine with an ext2 driver and now i can access the files |
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| 17:16.58 | Akatemik | _ergo_: Neither did I when I did my first testing install |
| 17:17.03 | Akatemik | My first debian at the same time |
| 17:17.16 | Akatemik | Hm, train arriving to the station, gotta go |
| 17:17.22 | Nyle | bye |
| 17:17.30 | _ergo_ | bye, and thanks for time and not ignoring noobs questions |
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| 17:18.48 | _ergo_ | hmm in VMware i should use other linux kernel 2.6.x ? or ubuntu settings ? |
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| 17:19.29 | wols | !vmware |
| 17:19.29 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 17:20.46 | _ergo_ | wols: no, im on windows now ;-) just wanted to ask about what type of system should i use :] so far 2.6.x worked fine |
| 17:21.01 | pzn | peppe, Nyle: it did not work. However, I tried to read a DVD and it failed. I think my dvd-rw is broken. |
| 17:21.07 | _ergo_ | but maybe someone used debian on it and has experience |
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| 17:21.22 | wols | erik3: what part of "not supported here" was unclear? |
| 17:21.35 | wols | _ergo_: |
| 17:21.44 | pzn | peppe, Nyle: anyway, thanks for the help. It was a hardware problem. |
| 17:21.58 | teambot | when installing with aptitude how can i suppress all interactive package configuration? |
| 17:22.44 | lleoliveirabr | ABROTMAN:BAD |
| 17:22.57 | lleoliveirabr | the visual is ugly now |
| 17:23.05 | huhlig | anyone know why the debian installer would simply freeze during install? |
| 17:23.05 | lleoliveirabr | what that happened? |
| 17:23.08 | lleoliveirabr | why |
| 17:23.16 | hoxu | aptitudenewb, 1) don't change your nick after asking a question please 2) dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 17:23.23 | beardy | huhlig: Because of an error. |
| 17:23.33 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:23.39 | Nyle | I should've looked it up last night |
| 17:23.44 | Nyle | I'm a lazy bastard |
| 17:23.47 | Nyle | !dbugs #416396 |
| 17:23.50 | dpkg | #416396:M[klipper] klipper: Klipper should refer to Iceweasel, not Firefox.; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:21:01 UTC |
| 17:23.54 | lleoliveirabr | Abrotman: did you know that will happen? |
| 17:24.03 | Nyle | and I've got fix for this bug |
| 17:24.29 | Nyle | but... patching the file is piece of cake, shipping it is piece of cake, but how many different translations/locales are there? |
| 17:24.40 | abrotman | lleoliveirabr: you're going to have to be less vague |
| 17:24.40 | Nyle | THAT is gonna be a bitch |
| 17:24.43 | Nyle | oh boy |
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| 17:25.30 | Nyle | its been reported since march |
| 17:25.31 | lleoliveirabr | didn't understand. what you wanted to say with vague |
| 17:25.44 | lleoliveirabr | did you know that will happen |
| 17:25.48 | stiv2k | help, i used jigdo for the first time to download an ISO and its telling me this |
| 17:25.52 | lleoliveirabr | why that happened? |
| 17:26.00 | beardy | !paste |
| 17:26.00 | stiv2k | 04:35:36 (17.33 KB/s) - `Fedora-Unity-20080204-8-i386-CD1.iso.template' saved [ |
| 17:26.00 | stiv2k | 09595065/209595065] |
| 17:26.00 | stiv2k | Found 0 of the 622 files required by the template |
| 17:26.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:26.01 | lleoliveirabr | what non free means |
| 17:26.04 | beardy | stiv2k: Stop. |
| 17:26.04 | stiv2k | Will not create image or temporary file - try again with different input files |
| 17:26.05 | huhlig | anyone know why the debian installer would simply freeze during install while using vmware 6? |
| 17:26.10 | stiv2k | beardy: my bad |
| 17:26.22 | beardy | stiv2k: Well, if it was only that line then ok. |
| 17:26.23 | stiv2k | beardy: i didnt realize 3 lines >= too many |
| 17:26.37 | Nyle | stiv2k: /msg dpkg paster |
| 17:26.44 | stiv2k | anyhow... |
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| 17:26.50 | Nyle | paster/paste/pastebin |
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| 17:26.52 | stiv2k | if anyone here has used jigdo before, what the heck do i do now? |
| 17:26.55 | lrp | hello everyone |
| 17:26.56 | Nyle | roll all them factoids into one |
| 17:27.02 | lrp | how can i as normal user open a local port ? |
| 17:27.06 | stiv2k | i have a .iso.template folder |
| 17:27.09 | stiv2k | and no .iso |
| 17:27.10 | Nyle | stiv2k: jigdo to download a fedora image? |
| 17:27.18 | barnum | make it above 1024 |
| 17:27.18 | stiv2k | Nyle: yes... thats the only way they offer the re-spins |
| 17:27.26 | amax | found kde linking bug in sid. ) |
| 17:27.33 | stiv2k | i know its not #debian related, but its more of a jigdo thing than a fedora thing... |
| 17:27.38 | Nyle | amax: oh.. whats up |
| 17:27.39 | stiv2k | Nyle: ;) |
| 17:27.51 | beardy | stiv2k: So..? What are you running this jigdo on? |
| 17:28.01 | stiv2k | beardy: im on a windows system right now] |
| 17:28.03 | amax | Control center -> Apperance & Themes --> fonts. not working. |
| 17:28.11 | beardy | stiv2k: Thanks for your honesty. |
| 17:28.17 | Nyle | amax: more details |
| 17:28.23 | stiv2k | beardy: :D |
| 17:28.27 | Nyle | amax: you can't ADD fonts? remove? what? |
| 17:28.34 | Nyle | fonts. not working. |
| 17:28.40 | amax | undefined symbol - lstat64 |
| 17:28.40 | Nyle | !doesn't work |
| 17:28.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:28.48 | lrp | example singleuser$ ssh -CD1080 user@remotehost |
| 17:28.49 | amax | kcm_fonts.so |
| 17:28.52 | Nyle | I see |
| 17:28.55 | Nyle | thats more helpful |
| 17:28.56 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:29.13 | Nyle | let me test |
| 17:29.22 | Nyle | btw, which package version is it? |
| 17:29.42 | Nyle | latest kde pacakge in sid? |
| 17:29.46 | beardy | stiv2k: I haven't used jigdo, and even less to get a Fedora image, but wouldn't the first thing to check be, if that mirror you are fetching from, is sane. |
| 17:29.52 | amax | 5 min ago was synced |
| 17:30.15 | stiv2k | beardy: well it was the URL pasted on the fedora website... it offered me a bunch of ISOs to pick from |
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| 17:30.25 | stiv2k | beardy: i'd like to believe it's "sane" |
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| 17:30.43 | ftp3 | ok, so, when I apt-get remove cacti.. it does not really remove all the files.. how do I make it remove everything associated with it? |
| 17:30.57 | simonrvn | nothing sane about fedora :P |
| 17:31.00 | Nyle | kcontrol: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_fonts.so: undefined symbol: lstat64 |
| 17:31.11 | stiv2k | simonrvn: of course i should have expected a retort like that in #debian! :P |
| 17:31.15 | Nyle | amax: file a bugreport please |
| 17:31.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:31.25 | simonrvn | i shouldn't distro bash |
| 17:31.30 | amax | Nyle: sry busy,, |
| 17:31.31 | Nyle | of course you should |
| 17:31.32 | Nyle | its fun |
| 17:31.35 | stiv2k | simonrvn: it's okay, everybody does it |
| 17:31.35 | amax | can you do it ? |
| 17:31.39 | Nyle | amax: why are you even using sid? |
| 17:31.43 | simonrvn | i do it extremely rarely in fact |
| 17:31.52 | amax | just checked it vs ubuntu hardy |
| 17:32.08 | beardy | What simonrvn said, but, stiv2k, is it under windows you run jigdo? Is it the latest, or a working version? Do you have what the error message asked for, an input file, or what it was? |
| 17:32.10 | \amethyst | Nyle: I think that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465028 |
| 17:32.10 | stiv2k | i think distro bashing is so immature... but because of that, it makes it so very funny to observe / participate in |
| 17:32.22 | Nyle | \amethyst: I hadn't even searched yet :) |
| 17:32.35 | Nyle | !dbugs #465028 |
| 17:32.35 | stiv2k | beardy: yeah i downloaded the latest windows version of jigdo... it runs in the command prompt |
| 17:32.38 | dpkg | #465028:S[libqt3-mt] libqt3-mt: Missing weak symbols for stat64 functions; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:15:01 UTC |
| 17:32.43 | simonrvn | not over-generalisations like i did anyway... i usually have a thought-out response |
| 17:32.44 | Nyle | ah |
| 17:32.49 | beardy | stiv2k: So it's native, not under cygwin? |
| 17:33.01 | stiv2k | beardy: i suppose you can say that, yes |
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| 17:33.51 | beardy | stiv2k: I wonder btw, why not ask in #fedora. I don't think I have anything better to say anyway, good luck though. |
| 17:34.02 | Nyle | hahahahaha. |
| 17:34.12 | simonrvn | stiv2k: it's usually because of a lack of adequate reasoned arguments |
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| 17:34.59 | stiv2k | beardy: i am, i usually ask in 2 channels in the event that i dont get a reply in one...(and to my suspicion, nobody in #fedora has said anything yet) ;) |
| 17:35.04 | TTimo | hello. I'm about to rebuild a package with a few source changes applied manually, how can I add some kind of tag to the version of the generate packages so I can distinguish it from official ? |
| 17:35.05 | stiv2k | simonrvn: absolutely |
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| 17:35.15 | RaymondX | i have a problem with fluxbox, it didnt have a startup file when i installed it |
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| 17:35.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 17:35.52 | Nyle | RaymondX: what startup file? do you mean startx gives you a blank X display |
| 17:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what you're saying you are asking a question about downloading a fedora iso with a windows program - do I sumrise that correctly? |
| 17:36.09 | simonrvn | stiv2k: kinda pitiful though, people that don't realise that. makes me wish more people took the time to think about what they say |
| 17:36.20 | simonrvn | </ot> |
| 17:36.22 | Nyle | why in #debian? |
| 17:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: that was my next question |
| 17:36.38 | Nyle | ask #fedora or ##windows |
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| 17:36.57 | Nyle | if you were at least on debian ... but you are not. |
| 17:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k: so assuming I got the above thing right - why did you ask in #debian and not in... say #sex or whatever |
| 17:37.11 | Nyle | I like sex |
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| 17:37.16 | barnum | cause #debian has more clue than the average channel? |
| 17:37.16 | Nyle | its a very nice a. |
| 17:37.18 | barnum | ;) |
| 17:37.26 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: i like sex too, but... what possible help could i get for jigdo in #sex? |
| 17:37.28 | Nyle | barnum: not our fault others are idiots. |
| 17:37.34 | stiv2k | beardy: well said |
| 17:37.40 | Nyle | Still, please go to the proper channel. |
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| 17:37.54 | beardy | stiv2k: The same answer applies to windows, and fedora, in here. But because you didn't try to lie, you got away this time. |
| 17:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k: what possible help about a windows program which doesnt download a fedora iso do you expect from #debian? |
| 17:38.02 | stiv2k | Nyle: absolutely, as a matter of fact i am *in* the proper channel... it just so happens to be dead at the moment |
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| 17:38.20 | lrp | im back |
| 17:38.20 | Nyle | once again.. NOT our problem |
| 17:38.28 | RaymondX | Nyle: $home/.fluxbox/startup wasnt generated .... but window manager loads up just fine. the problem is, without any startup file, there's no way i can save settings for my wallpaper and startup programs |
| 17:38.28 | stiv2k | hey |
| 17:38.28 | Nyle | be patient. Please stop wasting out time. |
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| 17:38.36 | stiv2k | im not blaming the problem on anyone |
| 17:38.38 | stiv2k | im not wasting your time |
| 17:38.43 | stiv2k | you dont have to talk to me if you dont want to |
| 17:38.50 | lyakh | fwiw, ubuntu 7.10 (2.6.22) boots on my mobo with both cores, acpi, apic, etc.:-( |
| 17:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k: dpkg can indeed help you and tell you the problem |
| 17:38.52 | pbn | okay, for some reason, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade does not upgrade my linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 on etch.... I am going to manually download and dpkg -i the kernel I need. Is this the right kernel: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1_i386.deb ? |
| 17:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !windows |
| 17:38.52 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 17:38.57 | stiv2k | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for the info |
| 17:38.59 | beardy | Calm down, and be happy that someone asnwered, have a nice day. |
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| 17:39.05 | simonrvn | stiv2k: yeh, but asking in here isn't relevant ;) |
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| 17:39.11 | Nyle | RaymondX: you can create one or read the docs and make one or google for one or try i #fluxbox about what to do |
| 17:39.14 | simonrvn | lyakh: #ubuntu |
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| 17:39.20 | Nyle | RaymondX: or stick around here cuz i dunno. :) |
| 17:39.30 | lyakh | simonrvn: no, I want Debian |
| 17:39.38 | Nyle | !d-i lyakh |
| 17:39.38 | dpkg | lyakh, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:39.40 | lyakh | simonrvn: just tried ubuntu to compare |
| 17:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stiv2k: :) |
| 17:39.45 | simonrvn | lyakh: so install it :) |
| 17:39.47 | jome | abrotman: I decided to compile my own kernel now. |
| 17:39.50 | stiv2k | guess what |
| 17:40.00 | lyakh | simonrvn: install doesn't boot |
| 17:40.01 | jome | abrotman: I can't afford to wait for a fix when there's a root exploit out ;-) |
| 17:40.03 | stiv2k | all i had to do was press enter ;) |
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| 17:40.09 | stiv2k | and now its downloading the ISO |
| 17:40.11 | stiv2k | thanks everyone |
| 17:40.16 | Nyle | root exploit |
| 17:40.22 | Nyle | yeh.. if you can get past my firewall |
| 17:40.22 | stiv2k | PS: jigdo is fscking weird... |
| 17:40.24 | Nyle | :D |
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| 17:40.48 | simonrvn | lyakh: if it's a 64b box, you probably need amd64 (chances are that you do, unless it's a powerpc or something) |
| 17:41.04 | stiv2k | hey i do have a critical question for you though |
| 17:41.10 | lyakh | simonrvn: that's what I'm trying |
| 17:41.22 | stiv2k | would you still refuse to help me and say it's not your problem if i was on a windows machine trying to use jigdo to get a DEBIAN iso? |
| 17:41.27 | Nyle | is it just me or anyone else irritated as well? |
| 17:41.43 | stiv2k | cause its essentially the exact same scenario |
| 17:41.44 | lyakh | simonrvn: and it hangs around "PCI Root Bridge" |
| 17:41.48 | simonrvn | i'm just hungry, and should eat |
| 17:41.50 | stiv2k | think about that |
| 17:41.56 | mojo-jojo | * |
| 17:42.12 | Nyle | stiv2k: YOU need to think about things. Obviously you are confused. |
| 17:42.18 | stiv2k | i am heavily confused |
| 17:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 17:42.22 | Nyle | yeh |
| 17:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | for once, I agree with Nyle |
| 17:42.28 | Nyle | so I'm gonna download fedora |
| 17:42.32 | Nyle | but im gonna use windows |
| 17:42.33 | Nyle | oh oh oh |
| 17:42.34 | beardy | stiv2k: Some would, most wouldn't. See the comment about lying above.. that's what many do, and it's always found out, and then that ends there time in here. |
| 17:42.37 | Nyle | let me ask for supprot in #debian |
| 17:42.39 | Nyle | . |
| 17:42.42 | simonrvn | lyakh: recent box? /msg dpkg kmuto if so |
| 17:42.42 | Nyle | idiot. |
| 17:42.49 | stiv2k | Nyle: dude, you just crossed the line |
| 17:43.06 | lyakh | simonrvn: kmuto doesn't boot either |
| 17:43.06 | Nyle | stiv2k: /ignore Nyle |
| 17:43.11 | simonrvn | ----- |
| 17:43.14 | stiv2k | clearly, i need to use windows to download the linux ISO so i can burn it and install it... how the heck do you otherwise expect me to download it? |
| 17:43.16 | lyakh | simonrvn: only with "acpi=off" |
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| 17:43.36 | stiv2k | do i *NEED* to be running linux to talk to you people ? |
| 17:43.37 | mojo-jojo | I want an remote xsession, not control of the remote one. I have an debian host, and an windows client |
| 17:43.42 | simonrvn | stiv2k: no, you just crossed it ;p |
| 17:43.42 | lyakh | simonrvn: self compiled 2.6.24 kernel had the same problem |
| 17:43.46 | Nyle | stiv2k: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 17:44.00 | Nyle | stiv2k: please read /topic |
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| 17:44.05 | Nyle | !guidelines |
| 17:44.05 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
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| 17:44.17 | simonrvn | lyakh: tried to boot a 686 kernel? |
| 17:44.19 | stiv2k | im thinking about downloading debian using jigdo. But right now im using windows XP? Will i receive support? |
| 17:44.19 | NewHere | I'm using screen, but can I protect it with a password? |
| 17:44.24 | stiv2k | that sounds debian related ;) |
| 17:44.25 | Nyle | hmm.. I think it should explicitly state, DEBIAN SUPPORT ONLY! |
| 17:44.28 | Nyle | for morons like this. |
| 17:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: I'd guess he's covered by 8) |
| 17:45.00 | lrp | how can i allow a normal user to open local ports ? |
| 17:45.03 | lrp | example socks5 ? |
| 17:45.10 | lrp | any idea ? |
| 17:45.12 | _ergo_ | stiv2k : - just get an iso from mirror wouldnt that be easier ? |
| 17:45.15 | beardy | stiv2k: Shut up now damn it. |
| 17:45.15 | lyakh | simonrvn: not very intensively. There was a i386 distro on the hd I put here, and it started booting, but hanged somewhere too |
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| 17:45.38 | stiv2k | _ergo_: yeah i would have to say it *would* be, but they don't offer them in any other way |
| 17:45.52 | Nyle | I'm sorry? |
| 17:45.56 | _ergo_ | stiv2k : you didnt look good enoughthen ;-) |
| 17:45.58 | lyakh | simonrvn: but that's a kernel built for a Duron, so... |
| 17:46.00 | Nyle | have you ever read the debian install guide? |
| 17:46.14 | _ergo_ | heh... do ppl always are so friendly here , "shut up" etc. ? |
| 17:46.17 | Nyle | wait is he still talking about fedora? |
| 17:46.27 | Nyle | dude ffs... |
| 17:46.30 | stiv2k | Nyle: you dont have to refer to me in the third person |
| 17:46.32 | stiv2k | im right here |
| 17:46.37 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: What easy package installs remote grafical thing, like ssh. I would prefer something without configuration... |
| 17:46.42 | simonrvn | lyakh: sub-arch doesn't matter too much. sounds like you'll need to do some googling, and enable some debug options in make menuconfig |
| 17:46.43 | beardy | _ergo_: Use lastlog. |
| 17:46.50 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: I don't understand your query |
| 17:47.00 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: what remote graphical thing? |
| 17:47.03 | Nyle | !wayttd mojo-jojo |
| 17:47.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mojo-jojo? |
| 17:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | _ergo_: read the backlog... shut up is not unfriendly, but fatherly advice |
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| 17:47.44 | lyakh | simonrvn: yeah, as long as I saw that a kernel can properly boot on this hardware (ubuntu), it should be doable... |
| 17:47.49 | Nyle | can we stop feeding the troll now |
| 17:47.56 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: See my debian desktop from elswhere. Without disturbing the local user. Without difficult configurations. |
| 17:48.00 | lyakh | simonrvn: unless this was some ubuntu-specific fix... |
| 17:48.03 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: I see |
| 17:48.05 | simonrvn | "STFU asshole" is unfriendly, however |
| 17:48.09 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: you want probably x11vnc |
| 17:48.09 | stiv2k | what do you guys suggest? x86_64 or i386? (assuming you HAVE a 64 bit processor)... im speaking in terms of reliability / portability / etc... |
| 17:48.15 | simonrvn | lyakh: very likely |
| 17:48.18 | _ergo_ | heh... |
| 17:48.19 | stiv2k | flexibility* |
| 17:48.23 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: but it WILL require stuff to be configured |
| 17:48.25 | simonrvn | lyakh: they often have different patches |
| 17:48.32 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 17:48.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 17:48.43 | Nyle | 2nd to last sentence ^^ |
| 17:48.55 | stiv2k | okay |
| 17:48.55 | simonrvn | lyakh: most distros will patch kernels in one way or another, sometimes sharing some back and forth |
| 17:49.00 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: It is vnc? Like windows vnc? That I know how to use |
| 17:49.17 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: x11vnc is not the same as vncserver ehehehe kinda |
| 17:49.20 | lyakh | simonrvn: I know all distros do that |
| 17:49.22 | stiv2k | yea, cause i used sidux on x86_64 and it was great and all but the flash and java problem was pissing me off after a while |
| 17:49.24 | Nyle | !x11vnc |
| 17:49.24 | dpkg | somebody said x11vnc was a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 17:49.28 | lyakh | simonrvn: some more some less intensively |
| 17:49.33 | stiv2k | i think i got nspluginwrapper to work once and it never worked again after that |
| 17:49.35 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: /msg dpkg x11vnc |
| 17:50.10 | lyakh | simonrvn: the question is - whether _this_ fixed problem was due to one such uncommitted patch... |
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| 17:50.21 | Nyle | im so bored |
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| 17:50.29 | _ergo_ | i really like debian vs. fedora for example .... but i like when ppl are friendly in general on # :] |
| 17:50.30 | lyakh | Nyle: thanks for #debian-amd64! |
| 17:50.35 | simonrvn | lyakh: yeh. so i'd take a look at what deb and ubuntu are doing, and apply the ubuntu patch (and file a bug on it in the debian bts ;). oh, maybe. check the source packages out |
| 17:50.35 | Nyle | simonrvn: you know I haven't even touched my guitar in like weeks |
| 17:50.39 | stiv2k | _ergo_: i completely agree |
| 17:50.43 | Nyle | lyakh: of course, /me on lenny amd75 |
| 17:50.44 | Nyle | er.. |
| 17:50.46 | Nyle | 64 |
| 17:50.50 | simonrvn | Nyle: :/ |
| 17:50.51 | stiv2k | _ergo_: people are always too quick to dismiss or bash other people's ideas/views |
| 17:50.57 | _ergo_ | shs.... |
| 17:51.14 | Nyle | stiv2k: only when you waste our time with nondebian stuff |
| 17:51.28 | Nyle | if it concerns debian, rest assured you have completely freedom to discuss it |
| 17:51.39 | Nyle | within the limits of civility |
| 17:51.47 | simonrvn | *cough* look at the channel name *cough* |
| 17:51.51 | stiv2k | well |
| 17:52.06 | Nyle | complete* |
| 17:52.32 | stiv2k | what if you went to a ford dealership and said you needed help cause your tire was flat but you have a chevy |
| 17:52.32 | Nyle | I don't know why my fingers want to keep moving |
| 17:52.32 | Nyle | I want to type complete, but completely come sout |
| 17:52.32 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:52.32 | stiv2k | is the ford person going to bash you because you went to the wrong place? |
| 17:52.46 | stiv2k | a flat tire is the same on any make vehicle |
| 17:52.52 | stiv2k | just like downloading an ISO is the same for any distro... |
| 17:52.55 | stiv2k | i dunno |
| 17:53.01 | stiv2k | its not important anymore |
| 17:53.03 | stiv2k | have a nice day ;) |
| 17:53.05 | Nyle | so go away |
| 17:53.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* what if you bugger off to #tcsh and explain to THEM why your question is not offtopic |
| 17:53.21 | _ergo_ | ok relax mates , this is some nonsense |
| 17:53.28 | simonrvn | lyakh: good luck |
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| 17:53.50 | lyakh | simonrvn: thanks |
| 17:53.53 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 17:53.53 | stiv2k | what's tcsh? |
| 17:53.57 | RaymondX | Nyle: those dimbulbs in #fluxbox told me they dont use startup files either...they gave me a link ... http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Background |
| 17:54.09 | Nyle | RaymondX: hmm |
| 17:54.13 | simonrvn | hey how about this, put each other on /ignore, and make the rest of us happy |
| 17:54.22 | eth01 | !ignore |
| 17:54.22 | dpkg | ignore is probably the only method a selfish person is able to deal with those who think in a different way, or the only method a busy person has to deal with annoying pests. |
| 17:54.23 | Nyle | RaymondX: I think blackbox uses some startup file |
| 17:54.25 | lyakh | Nyle: how's lenny on amd64? which snapshot did you install? |
| 17:54.26 | stiv2k | Nyle: Word up! we may have disagreed about certain things but shit, i think im going to pack a bowl aswell |
| 17:54.32 | mojo-jojo | Can I have spaces in an debian password? |
| 17:54.41 | Nyle | lyakh: last weeks daily |
| 17:54.45 | eth01 | mojo-jojo, no you cannot. |
| 17:54.51 | mojo-jojo | eth01: Doh |
| 17:54.53 | Nyle | lyakh: didn't really use a snapshot |
| 17:55.05 | Nyle | lyakh: I did a debootstrap install from a kubuntu amd64 livecd |
| 17:55.09 | mojo-jojo | eth01: So if I want an sentence as a password what should I do? |
| 17:55.21 | eth01 | mojo-jojo, remove the spaces. |
| 17:55.35 | _ergo_ | hmm... isnt hashing function supposed to just get the string end encode it ? |
| 17:55.38 | _ergo_ | strange |
| 17:55.46 | mojo-jojo | eth01: I need an special sign so paople will use at least 24 houres to crack it. |
| 17:55.53 | Nyle | stiv2k: let us unite in a bowl of peace |
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| 17:56.01 | Nyle | my boys used to run www.smokeforpeace.com |
| 17:56.04 | Nyle | ;) |
| 17:56.05 | stiv2k | lol |
| 17:56.09 | eth01 | mojo-jojo, http://www.csgnetwork.com/passwordgen.html |
| 17:56.13 | _ergo_ | mojo-jojo : so use ! for example and use camelCase |
| 17:56.18 | stiv2k | im itching to say that's not debian-related :P |
| 17:56.24 | SexyKen | Nyle: I'm still getting ass rammed by that NFS issue! |
| 17:56.24 | Nyle | i am aware |
| 17:56.31 | Nyle | SexyKen: hahaha |
| 17:56.32 | lyakh | Nyle, but once I have the distro installed, I can just get the kernel from lenny... hm, will try that! |
| 17:56.33 | Nyle | sick. |
| 17:56.41 | Nyle | lyakh: exactly |
| 17:56.50 | Nyle | lyakh: that is through a debootstrap |
| 17:56.59 | Nyle | lyakh: with a regular iso, you get base system + kernel |
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| 17:57.45 | _ergo_ | according to debian.org - how can i judge the ETA for next testing going to stable ? those tables with bugs dont say anything to me as i dont really know when bugs may be fixed :] |
| 17:58.04 | lyakh | Nyle: I _have_ already a etch distro installed (with acpi=off), "just" need a proper kernel... |
| 17:58.06 | Nyle | look at rc bugs |
| 17:58.10 | Nyle | but |
| 17:58.11 | Nyle | !wir |
| 17:58.12 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:58.18 | _ergo_ | that i know ;-) |
| 17:58.31 | Nyle | lyakh: hmm.. can't just install a testing kernel, might break stuff |
| 17:58.33 | chandor | _ergo_: ~ sept 2008 |
| 17:58.54 | lyakh | Nyle: I did that on i386 without problem |
| 17:58.56 | Nyle | lyakh: you can build your own using a default debian config file and apply the debian patches to it if you want |
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| 17:59.56 | SexyKen | Does NFS ever have issues if the share has disk problems? i'm running an fsck now just in case (on the server). But it's wierd that I can mount one directory just fine, but another one I'm unable to mount...but they're both in the same nfs share. |
| 17:59.59 | lyakh | thanks to all, bbl |
| 18:00.12 | Nyle | SexyKen: possibly |
| 18:00.41 | SexyKen | I wish I could just pull the little devil action figure out of my ass and have this problem be solved. |
| 18:00.43 | _ergo_ | chandor : how does it work ? the packages are "moved" to stable ? or lenny just gets taggged as stable at some pont and lands on mirrors ? |
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| 18:02.00 | wols | _ergo_: lenny gets froten, the bugs kinked out and then released |
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| 18:02.07 | Nyle | !release critical bugs graph |
| 18:02.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, release critical bugs graph is at http://master.debian.org/~wakkerma/bugs/ |
| 18:02.11 | wols | etch stays like it is for eternity |
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| 18:02.21 | Nyle | !relese plan |
| 18:02.24 | jome | rumour was wrong, I guess |
| 18:02.25 | Nyle | !release plan |
| 18:02.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, release plan is http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-release-plan.html |
| 18:02.30 | _ergo_ | k thanks |
| 18:02.34 | Nyle | the fuck |
| 18:02.39 | Nyle | dpkg forget release plan |
| 18:02.40 | dpkg | Nyle: i forgot release plan |
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| 18:03.51 | \amethyst | release.debian.org maybe? |
| 18:04.09 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: How do I allow the user debian to connect to x11vnc? |
| 18:04.11 | Nyle | i wonder |
| 18:04.15 | Nyle | !release schedule |
| 18:04.18 | Nyle | doh |
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| 18:04.59 | Rienzilla | hey |
| 18:05.10 | huhlig | anyone know why the debian installer would simply freeze during install while using vmware 6? |
| 18:05.16 | Nyle | simonrvn: why -r? |
| 18:05.23 | Nyle | keep it -h for good ;) |
| 18:05.31 | simonrvn | wols seems to need a reboot |
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| 18:05.37 | Nyle | heh |
| 18:05.53 | wols | ? |
| 18:05.53 | simonrvn | bum kernel or something |
| 18:06.04 | Nyle | huhlig: alt+f4, see if you can see anything there |
| 18:06.10 | mojo-jojo | How would I allow the user "debian" to connect to x11vnc? |
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| 18:06.16 | wols | simonrvn: you named one of your systems after me? |
| 18:06.21 | Nyle | huhlig: it could be a hung pid you can kill and get back to the installer |
| 18:06.31 | simonrvn | wols: no, i was sshed to your head |
| 18:06.43 | _ergo_ | oh.. what is powering debian.org ? |
| 18:06.43 | _ergo_ | php or other language ? |
| 18:06.52 | wols | explains my brain problems |
| 18:06.53 | heatman | Hello could someone tell me where the rcX.d file is located on Etch? |
| 18:06.55 | wols | !blame simonrvn |
| 18:07.01 | simonrvn | html |
| 18:07.04 | \amethyst | heatman: /etc/rc*.d/* |
| 18:07.14 | Nyle | !rc.d |
| 18:07.14 | dpkg | Debian is not DeadRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
| 18:07.43 | heatman | lol |
| 18:07.46 | simonrvn | um.... ".d" implies a *directory*... though technically saying file about a dir is correct |
| 18:07.46 | heatman | ty |
| 18:08.32 | _ergo_ | debian really deserves better looking website :] |
| 18:08.52 | Nyle | i think it looks great |
| 18:08.54 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 18:09.01 | Nyle | simple easy and no gimmiks |
| 18:09.05 | Nyle | no bullshit graphics |
| 18:09.13 | Nyle | just what you need and exactly where it should be |
| 18:09.19 | simonrvn | do you mean better looking == lots of flash and AJAX crap? |
| 18:09.21 | wols | the first one who web2.0ifies debian.org gets hanged. by the neck. until he's dead |
| 18:09.27 | jelly-home | ajax rul3z |
| 18:09.35 | Nyle | but not for debian |
| 18:09.42 | Nyle | .org |
| 18:09.46 | simonrvn | !kiss |
| 18:09.46 | dpkg | kiss is probably Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 18:09.52 | Nyle | hah |
| 18:09.56 | Nyle | kiss sucked |
| 18:09.58 | wols | Nyle: it would make a great april fools. a web2.0 debian.org |
| 18:10.03 | Nyle | I never got into kiss, and whoever did, fuck em. |
| 18:10.08 | jelly-home | search enjines on pdo could use ajaxy completion love |
| 18:10.10 | \amethyst | I don't know, an ajaxified p.d.o could be pretty handy |
| 18:10.14 | _ergo_ | no , there is no point to web2.0 debian.org , it would be pointless i guess |
| 18:10.18 | \amethyst | jelly-home: THIEF! |
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| 18:10.27 | Nyle | wols: yeh it would |
| 18:10.29 | jelly-home | \amethyst: firsties! |
| 18:10.32 | Nyle | !date |
| 18:10.33 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.02.14 18:10:32 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 18:10.35 | _ergo_ | just changing the header , and menus to some better images ;-) |
| 18:10.46 | Nyle | so its 1:10 eastern |
| 18:11.06 | Nyle | 26 days til I'm 27 |
| 18:11.08 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:11.17 | jelly-home | youngster |
| 18:11.29 | _ergo_ | lol im 26 |
| 18:11.34 | Nyle | why do you think I'm so immature all the time |
| 18:11.35 | Nyle | duh |
| 18:11.37 | Nyle | ;) |
| 18:11.41 | simonrvn | babyies :P |
| 18:11.46 | simonrvn | babies* |
| 18:11.46 | jelly-home | must be all the green |
| 18:11.48 | Nyle | simonrvn: grandpa |
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| 18:12.02 | simonrvn | jelly-home: green what? |
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| 18:12.05 | Nyle | jelly-home: don't judge lest you be judge my friend |
| 18:12.12 | simonrvn | Nyle: the grey hair would agree |
| 18:12.13 | Nyle | judged* |
| 18:12.14 | _ergo_ | so debian users are only grandpaswith respirators ? ;-) |
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| 18:12.28 | jelly-home | Nyle: I will be judged, no doubt |
| 18:12.42 | \amethyst | _ergo_: or stoners with respirators, apparently :) |
| 18:12.50 | Nyle | jelly-home: I know you know what that means. don't play a tool ;) |
| 18:12.58 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 18:13.00 | simonrvn | jelly-home, Nyle: starts at home ;) |
| 18:13.05 | _ergo_ | hehe, now we're talking ;-) |
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| 18:13.40 | simonrvn | ok ggoglebot, behave. it keeps sucking up my wiki pages like mad |
| 18:13.59 | mojo-jojo | *** x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":1", it cannot continue. |
| 18:14.03 | mojo-jojo | Why? |
| 18:14.07 | Nyle | suuuu .suuuu. *sucking in sounds* yeh, you gotta take a deep breath and hold it in, and then visualize yourself breathing man |
| 18:14.13 | mojo-jojo | It hapens with :0 too... |
| 18:14.20 | \amethyst | mojo-jojo: are you in X when you start x11vnc? |
| 18:14.36 | simonrvn | that would help ;) |
| 18:14.42 | Nyle | yeh can't do it in while ssh'd to it, afaik |
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| 18:15.15 | Nyle | or maybe you can, if x is running, you couldn't somehow attach the x11vnc to it? |
| 18:15.23 | jelly-home | I can... alias x0="x11vnc -display :0 -rfbauth ~/.vnc/passwd -localhost" |
| 18:15.28 | mojo-jojo | \amethyst: of course not... This is pure ssh stuff |
| 18:15.36 | \amethyst | mojo-jojo: but X is running, right? |
| 18:15.50 | Nyle | its weird that a vnc server required you to launch the server inside that x11 session. |
| 18:15.57 | mojo-jojo | \amethyst: yes, and I dont wont to disturb the potential local user... |
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| 18:16.16 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: then you don't want x11vnc. |
| 18:16.20 | \amethyst | mojo-jojo: ... so you want to start up a new display and attach VNC to that? |
| 18:16.29 | Nyle | no |
| 18:16.35 | Nyle | he wants to serve up his current running one |
| 18:16.41 | Nyle | which is why i said x11vnc to him |
| 18:16.42 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: No |
| 18:16.44 | jelly-home | x11vnc's purpose is to attach to a running X session |
| 18:16.54 | abrotman | jome: up to you .. |
| 18:16.54 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: dude thas what yo usaid |
| 18:16.55 | \amethyst | without disturbing the user who's already there? |
| 18:17.01 | mojo-jojo | yes |
| 18:17.03 | heatman | I want to add no-ip in the startup script.. would anyone know which file should be modified? |
| 18:17.07 | mojo-jojo | The one infront the computer |
| 18:17.09 | Nyle | oh |
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| 18:17.38 | \amethyst | mojo-jojo: if you want to start up a new X session exported over VNC, try vnc4server or something like that |
| 18:17.53 | \amethyst | mojo-jojo: x11vnc is for exporting an already-running session |
| 18:17.55 | Nyle | yeh just install vncserver and run vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 800x600 (whatever you want) :1 |
| 18:18.07 | Nyle | just read man vncserver and modify the options as you see fit |
| 18:18.28 | Nyle | then use xtightvncviewer (read manpage) and connect to the host |
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| 18:19.13 | Nyle | \amethyst: I thought that was what he wanted |
| 18:19.58 | Nyle | I dunno why I thought that (toke*toke) |
| 18:20.02 | mojo-jojo | so I dont want vnc4server? |
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| 18:20.21 | Nyle | !info vncserver |
| 18:20.27 | dpkg | vncserver: (Virtual network computing server software), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.3.7-14 (sid), Packaged size: 532 kB, Installed size: 1176 kB |
| 18:20.37 | \amethyst | !info vnc4server |
| 18:20.42 | dpkg | vnc4server: (Virtual network computing server software), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-21 (sid), Packaged size: 2234 kB, Installed size: 5628 kB |
| 18:21.04 | Nyle | I wonder how it differs from vncserver |
| 18:21.09 | \amethyst | same thing, different versions |
| 18:21.47 | Nyle | ah |
| 18:21.56 | Nyle | I saw them both depend on vnc-common |
| 18:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, mojo-jojo about that password from above - usual practice is to make a sentence, then use the 1st characters of each word (or sub-word) like Mojo-Jojo asks in #debian, how to create a good password! -> M-Jai#,htcagp! ; you can also substitute e.g. "and" with "+" |
| 18:22.02 | jome | abrotman: yeah, fighting with another issue now.. keyboard repeat rate :-) |
| 18:22.14 | abrotman | uh .. with your new kernel ? |
| 18:22.23 | jelly-home | vnc4server is obviously better than vncserver, which is only 3 :-) |
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| 18:22.38 | Nyle | I wasn't aware of vnc4server |
| 18:22.38 | jome | abrotman: both kernels |
| 18:22.43 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: and to -> 2 |
| 18:22.46 | jome | abrotman: has to do with my shitty DRAC carda apparentely |
| 18:22.51 | abrotman | jome: oh .. eww |
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| 18:23.26 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: shit, now I need to change all the passwords. snIn2catp. |
| 18:23.33 | jome | abrotman: eww indeed :) |
| 18:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home: and not -> ^ , etc.etc.etc.; was just giving an example |
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| 18:24.06 | jelly-home | hmm, my mnemonic would probably be ! |
| 18:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home: you forgot to include the comma of your sentence in the pwd :) |
| 18:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sudden silene.... probably means lunctime |
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| 18:29.46 | jelly-home | dinnertime on the old continent |
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| 18:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, food is the thing anyways :) |
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| 18:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mahlzeit |
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| 18:31.27 | mojo-jojo | I cannot connect to x11vnc with tight vnc o n windows |
| 18:32.00 | mojo-jojo | to ant of them |
| 18:32.03 | mojo-jojo | started all |
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| 18:34.22 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Why? |
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| 18:41.59 | Schiz0 | !ubuntu |
| 18:41.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 18:43.42 | mojo-jojo | Schiz0: ?? |
| 18:44.04 | Pryon | mojo-jojo: are you getting any interesting error messages? |
| 18:44.20 | mojo-jojo | Pryon: No, it just says failed to connect |
| 18:44.38 | mojo-jojo | to server |
| 18:45.05 | Pryon | are the two machines on the opposite sides of a router/firewall? |
| 18:45.35 | mojo-jojo | Oposite sides? I can ping it, ssh it, sftp it and so on... |
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| 18:47.30 | Enf0rc3r | I know this isn't really a Debian related question, but im trying to portforward Apache on my D-Link DSL-302G modem |
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| 18:48.11 | mojo-jojo | Is everyone here gone, or is my box dying? |
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| 18:49.17 | Enf0rc3r | your box is dying |
| 18:49.18 | lleksah | mojo-jojo, your box is dying |
| 18:49.23 | lleksah | damn :( |
| 18:49.28 | Enf0rc3r | lolz |
| 18:50.25 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: no one's gone, just not talking |
| 18:51.29 | mojo-jojo | ok |
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| 18:51.57 | mojo-jojo | I need an easy graphical thing, as easy to use as openss-server and putty! |
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| 18:53.14 | abrotman | Enf0rc3r: #networking |
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| 18:53.46 | startxwhite | Hi there! i shared the cost of of the internet connection with a friend next door. She's got a wireless router which gives internet access to her laptop, his sister's (who lives with her) and mine. I want to give wireless internet access to my 2 flatmates laptop as well. The thing is that I want to set up my own wireless network using WPA because she uses WEP which I heard is not very secure. Basically, a repeater. I've go |
| 18:53.46 | startxwhite | t a Prism2 card which uses the hostap drivers but I can not find on the internet any *newbie* friendly up to date tutorial that tells you how to accomplish what I want to do |
| 18:53.51 | simonrvn | right click > debian > applications > terminal emulators > xterm *wait a bit* ssh youruser@somehost |
| 18:53.53 | xand | grumble. |
| 18:54.34 | \amethyst | startxwhite: if you're forwarding traffic to a low-security network, what's the point in having a high-security one? |
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| 18:55.02 | Enf0rc3r | Please join #pastebin to assit me |
| 18:55.02 | \amethyst | startxwhite: someone could just connect to your neighbor's network and sniff your packets/inject theirs |
| 18:55.04 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: It has to be connectabole from cross-platform. |
| 18:55.21 | xand | Enf0rc3r: no, use a website pastebin and ask in the right channel |
| 18:55.42 | abrotman | startxwhite: you likely can't do that .. the WAP/WEP are up to the AP .. not the repeater |
| 18:56.10 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: cross-platform, like say bsd or linux? ;) sure is ;) |
| 18:56.33 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: For windows? and maybe an occaisonal mac? |
| 18:56.54 | startxwhite | <\amethyst> so i can not set up my own WPA wireless network if she is using WEP? |
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| 18:57.17 | simonrvn | this is #debian ;) |
| 18:57.18 | \amethyst | startxwhite: you can, but you would be setting it up as a router not a repeater |
| 18:57.58 | \amethyst | startxwhite: the problem is that the WPA security on your network goes out the window when you send your packets over her WEP network |
| 18:58.28 | Enf0rc3r | grr |
| 18:58.31 | Enf0rc3r | no one will help me |
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| 18:58.34 | startxwhite | <\amethyst> so we both have to use WEP then. She does not want to use WPA |
| 18:58.46 | Enf0rc3r | I'm better off banging my head against a brick wall |
| 18:58.48 | dkr | <Enf0rc3r> I know this isn't really a Debian related question, |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | not all wifi cards can do WPA |
| 18:58.55 | abrotman | Enf0rc3r: #networking |
| 18:58.57 | dkr | geeI Wonder why no one in #deboan helping you |
| 18:59.01 | Enf0rc3r | I asked there |
| 18:59.03 | simonrvn | not really, you'll end up with bruises or worse |
| 18:59.06 | abrotman | startxwhite: you should go to #networking too |
| 18:59.25 | jelly-home | simonrvn: sounds like experience! |
| 18:59.26 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: yeah, and I'm setting up an server on the debian box, like if I was setting up apache, I need my clients to connect to it. Elswise it is pointless. |
| 18:59.52 | \amethyst | startxwhite: if you're just setting up as a repeater, the you'll have to use WEP. If you're setting up a router (for example with NAT/masquerading), you *can* use WPA but the security advantage is minimal |
| 18:59.57 | simonrvn | jelly-home: logical conclusion. no need for experience ;) |
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| 19:00.09 | robboplus | hrhm rar: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar) |
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| 19:00.22 | robboplus | my glibc is already the newest version though... what on earth can be wrong? |
| 19:00.27 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: so people use what's available to them |
| 19:00.49 | simonrvn | robboplus: installing things on etch from sid will do that ;) |
| 19:01.04 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: I need an simple protocolt to see my desktop from anywhere |
| 19:01.23 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: and people have told you what's available. go and do it |
| 19:01.33 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: They dont work... |
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| 19:01.41 | mojo-jojo | How to know where the problem is... |
| 19:01.43 | simonrvn | ...and you mean application |
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| 19:01.52 | simonrvn | that's why logs exist |
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| 19:02.04 | robboplus | simonrvn it's a brand fresh etch.. i didn't mess with sid this time |
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| 19:02.14 | chairmeleon | hello :) |
| 19:02.17 | simonrvn | heh, "this time" |
| 19:02.40 | robboplus | simonrvn yes, the last time i tried i have NEVER had any probs ;) |
| 19:02.53 | chairmeleon | newbeish question perhaps, but, can the rationale for making a sid backport in the sid faq, be applied also to a testing->stable backport |
| 19:02.54 | robboplus | and now on fresh box i do have probs ven though i didn't try sid :) |
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| 19:03.38 | simonrvn | chairmeleon: yes |
| 19:03.45 | simonrvn | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:03.49 | _ergo_ | errr should i have a lost+found folder in /home ? or did i copy it by accident ? |
| 19:04.04 | simonrvn | robboplus: sure, i believe you (NOT) |
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| 19:04.22 | simonrvn | _ergo_: only if it's on a sep. partition |
| 19:04.36 | _ergo_ | its on separate partition |
| 19:04.42 | simonrvn | otherwise it's pointless |
| 19:04.52 | robboplus | simonrvn how do i check my version? i forgot again |
| 19:05.05 | simonrvn | if you're missing it, or need to re-do it, there's mklost+found |
| 19:05.10 | yang | Is shockmedia flash going to enter debian again ? |
| 19:05.13 | simonrvn | robboplus: /msg dpkg version |
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| 19:05.30 | simonrvn | yang: no. only in non-free (which isn't part of debian) |
| 19:05.39 | yang | simonrvn: but it isn't there now |
| 19:05.42 | Nyle | my tummy hurts |
| 19:05.48 | robboplus | thank you, checking... |
| 19:06.04 | Nyle | yang: never |
| 19:06.15 | Nyle | only flash, not shockwave stuff, as I understand there is a difference |
| 19:06.16 | whitehat | hello. I would like to install xen. I see a xen-linux-system-<version>-xen-686 and a xen-linux-system-<version>-xen-vserver-686. do I need both and what is the difference between the two.the descriptions are exactly the same |
| 19:06.21 | simonrvn | yang: using testing? have non-free and contrib? |
| 19:06.22 | walber | Hi, anyone knows where I can put a script to be execute after a user logout? |
| 19:06.24 | robboplus | simon: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 |
| 19:06.43 | Pryon | walber: ~/.bash_logout |
| 19:06.59 | Pryon | (assuming the user's shell is bash, of course) |
| 19:07.02 | simonrvn | robboplus: well see, that version doesn't have the symbols that version of rar you have installed needs... it's going to whine |
| 19:07.15 | simonrvn | ...and not function |
| 19:07.33 | robboplus | simonrvn i have no other choice - it's the only binary available on their page and there is NO source for linux |
| 19:07.55 | robboplus | what should i do now? :( |
| 19:08.02 | walber | <Pryon> Thanks! \o/ |
| 19:08.07 | simonrvn | whitehat: the descriptions suck then; file a bug on that and the -vserver is the one that has vserver support |
| 19:08.15 | hark | robboplus: you install the one in debian |
| 19:08.23 | simonrvn | robboplus: rar in etch exists... |
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| 19:08.38 | robboplus | simonrvn does it? |
| 19:08.41 | robboplus | hark hm |
| 19:09.03 | hark | yang: flash won't be available in lenny iirc |
| 19:09.06 | simonrvn | would i say it if i did not think it did? |
| 19:09.36 | robboplus | hm just found unrar indeed... |
| 19:09.44 | Splasher | hello all, I need to set my clock on debian Etch. I have set the time zoen and include it in the root profile, but still log files having different timestamp, any one can helo me? |
| 19:09.46 | hark | !info rar |
| 19:09.48 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 1036 kB |
| 19:09.52 | whitehat | simonrvn: thank you. I'm somewhat new to deb distro. what's vserver? I'm familiar with xen on a fedora install. do I need both packages or will then conflict? can I install both |
| 19:09.53 | mojo-jojo | This stupid vlc doesnt use |
| 19:09.56 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 19:10.06 | mojo-jojo | s/vlc/vnc |
| 19:10.35 | \amethyst | whitehat: vserver is kind of like BSD jails---chroot on steroids |
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| 19:10.40 | robboplus | that's SID, not etch |
| 19:10.52 | \amethyst | whitehat: (in that the vservers can't see each others' processes) |
| 19:11.18 | robboplus | there is no rar package in my repository for etch, am i totally retarted or.. |
| 19:11.31 | hark | !info rar etch |
| 19:11.32 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7b1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 494 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 19:11.33 | robboplus | and unrar-free wasn't able to unpack the rar archive i have there |
| 19:11.35 | jelly-home | rar is in non-free |
| 19:11.44 | robboplus | aaargh. |
| 19:11.47 | jelly-home | (and is shareware afair) |
| 19:11.48 | whitehat | \amethyst: ok. that's cool. hmm. must look for that on fedora! :-) so I could install both packages. this will be on a production system |
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| 19:11.55 | simonrvn | whitehat: that i don't know, check the conflicts: (easily done in aptitude's ncurses ui); vserver is virtual server - think bsd jail and separate kernel/user space... a bit like xen but more chroot-like instead of actual separate entities |
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| 19:12.11 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with nfs and windows: windows 2003 nfs server exports users homes (only one export), but linux client could not inherit homes perms after the mount |
| 19:12.18 | robboplus | thank you very much hark, jelly-home and simonrvn |
| 19:12.21 | simonrvn | what \amethyst said ;) |
| 19:12.46 | simonrvn | Mazingaro: sounds like nfs exports mis-config |
| 19:12.47 | whitehat | simonrvn: thank you. see previous message to \am... :-) |
| 19:12.53 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: you'll probably get more help with SFU from ##windows |
| 19:13.04 | hark | robboplus: why use rar? use 7z or something else.. |
| 19:13.09 | \amethyst | whitehat: if you're going to run a multi-level system where you have multiple vservers in your dom0 or domUs, then use the -vserver- version |
| 19:13.11 | Mazingaro | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 19:13.11 | startxwhite | <\amethyst> i only use the internet at night and so would my flat mates. bearing in mind that i am a newbie, what is the best option, setting up a repeater or a router. i would go for the WPA router if it is not too complicated but what are those minimal advantages? |
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| 19:14.06 | \amethyst | startxwhite: I don't do wireless all that much; someone else could answer better than I |
| 19:14.07 | robboplus | YAY! |
| 19:14.21 | |DawnLight| | hello. i need advice concerning which software to use in the following situation. ISP provides an E-mail address accesible via POP3 and SMTP, as commonly done. i need to set up a local server that fetches messages from that address using POP3 and stores them locally. it also has an IMAP server running for IMAP clients in the LAN. i'm looking at dovecot as the IMAP server. the clients can send messages directly to the ISP's SMTP server and inform |
| 19:14.21 | |DawnLight| | dovecot about it. what i'm not sure about is how to fetch the messages using POP3 and store them in a maildir. help? |
| 19:14.27 | robboplus | hark and i had to use rar because the .sql i got provided was packed with it.. |
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| 19:14.37 | simonrvn | see, half-assed doesn't work. doing it properly does ;) |
| 19:14.38 | hark | robboplus: then unrar should be enough |
| 19:14.43 | \amethyst | whitehat: you'll also need the -xen-vserver-686 kernel in your domUs |
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| 19:14.49 | robboplus | unrar-free didn't unpack that one, i tried |
| 19:15.04 | robboplus | non-free rar did the trick though |
| 19:15.09 | jelly-home | robboplus: that one is solved by telling the customer to use %^&* zip |
| 19:15.12 | simonrvn | |DawnLight|: fetchmail? |
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| 19:15.24 | whitehat | \amethyst: hmm. that's a good question. kickers is I don't know other than the info I've been given from developers in another continent is that all then need is "xen" and nothing was mentioned about xen with vservers. however, I'm assuming that I can install both packages and select the appropriate kernel, either xen with or xen without vservers at boot |
| 19:15.28 | simonrvn | rar sux |
| 19:15.31 | hark | robboplus: there's unrar (non-free) :) |
| 19:15.39 | jelly-home | !rar |
| 19:15.39 | dpkg | it has been said that rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar> |
| 19:15.39 | robboplus | he he jelly-home... thing is that on winbloze winrar is pretty popular especially as it handles all possible archive formats |
| 19:15.55 | DawnLight | simonrvn: "As each message is retrieved, fetchmail normally delivers it via SMTP to port 25 on the machine it is running on (localhost), just as though it were being passed in over a normal TCP/IP link." |
| 19:16.08 | hark | robboplus: and not shareware |
| 19:16.13 | simonrvn | DawnLight: you can pass it via other means |
| 19:16.21 | muramasa | tralala, are you still around? :-) or wols ?:-) |
| 19:16.26 | DawnLight | simonrvn: so fetchmail can put it in a maildir? |
| 19:16.27 | simonrvn | DawnLight: look at the mda option |
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| 19:16.47 | pakalio | hi! I am using WindowMaker and I love it, but I lazzy and I like to find a graphic file manager to mount,cp, mv and unrar stuff, nautilus is too big |
| 19:16.49 | tralala | muramasa, I am. Got the noise up? |
| 19:16.54 | mojo-jojo | Stupid vnc, doesnt work cross platform |
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| 19:17.18 | simonrvn | mojo-jojo: layer 8 problem |
| 19:17.29 | pakalio | I hear about Dolphin but I don't want load all the qt libraries just to move some files |
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| 19:17.36 | jelly-home | pakalio: thunar (of xfce)? |
| 19:17.44 | mojo-jojo | simonrvn: layer 8? is it 8bit? |
| 19:17.52 | muramasa | tralala, well, I couldn't boot the new kernel :-( I had to leave for some hours and just tried it now, and it wont start. gives me some error message about /dev/sda and I'm left with a ash (shell) screen |
| 19:17.56 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:17.56 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: it's like pebcak |
| 19:17.58 | pakalio | thunar,mm, xfce is good, thanks! |
| 19:18.02 | simonrvn | OSI model |
| 19:18.09 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: Ok, what is pebcak? |
| 19:18.18 | dkr | !pebcak |
| 19:18.18 | dpkg | well, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
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| 19:18.25 | simonrvn | !layer 8 problem |
| 19:18.30 | \amethyst | mojo-jojo: he's saying "user error" |
| 19:18.33 | mojo-jojo | No chair here... |
| 19:18.36 | simonrvn | !layer 8 |
| 19:18.54 | muramasa | application? |
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| 19:19.05 | Coweater | layer 8 is people |
| 19:19.09 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: we're subtly hinting you're probably doing something wrong |
| 19:19.10 | mojo-jojo | all the vnc programs |
| 19:19.34 | mojo-jojo | I think it is a program error... |
| 19:19.36 | simonrvn | Coweater: just like soylent green |
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| 19:19.53 | mojo-jojo | Or point me in the direction of some working documentation... |
| 19:19.57 | tralala | muramasa, put the content of /boot/grub/menu.lst and ls /boot on a pastebin |
| 19:20.39 | mojo-jojo | xrealvnc is using ~85% cpu |
| 19:20.45 | mojo-jojo | The system is running at 100% |
| 19:21.29 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: if you want help, provide _exact_ commads that fail, what you expected them to do, and complete output thereof |
| 19:21.51 | muramasa | tralala, here comes: http://paste.debian.net/49163 |
| 19:21.58 | dcnoye | http://www.barebones.com/store/ |
| 19:22.58 | simonrvn | dcnoye: the point being? (other than spamming us?) |
| 19:23.00 | tralala | muramasa, and what's the boot message that you get? |
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| 19:23.21 | mojo-jojo | vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 800x600 :2vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 800x600 :2, make me able to connect from windows with thightvnc, and not use 100% cpu... How to make it allow me to connect? |
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| 19:23.27 | dcnoye | simonrvn: sorry dude, posted in wrong channel for a buddy |
| 19:23.33 | esaym | how do I execute a link to a script in rc.local as a user other than root? |
| 19:23.37 | simonrvn | dcnoye: sorry |
| 19:23.53 | dcnoye | simonrvn: np, I would have thought the same thing.... |
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| 19:24.13 | simonrvn | thight? is that like thighs, but with a t? :P |
| 19:24.25 | muramasa | tralala, hard to remember it completely, but it gave me some error about /dev/sda not being found and it stops booting, leaving me in a shell with something that starts with "i" or "l" instead of user@computername |
| 19:24.35 | simonrvn | thightvnc, vnc with a lithp, or for pr0n |
| 19:24.37 | muramasa | tralala, can I log it somehow? |
| 19:24.39 | mojo-jojo | TightVNC |
| 19:24.59 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: and you cannot connect to that-machine:2 ? |
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| 19:25.15 | mojo-jojo | I should not enter ip in TightVNC? |
| 19:25.47 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: what? |
| 19:25.50 | mojo-jojo | doh |
| 19:25.58 | tralala | muramasa, given that the hard disk isn't found your only option is to log it on paper |
| 19:26.05 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: I entered the ip of the box I wanted to connect to |
| 19:26.13 | mojo-jojo | Now I worte what you said |
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| 19:26.26 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: did you enter the display :2 as well? |
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| 19:26.45 | mojo-jojo | just: debian-box:2 |
| 19:26.46 | muramasa | tralala, ah. would you be here tomorrow? I have some things to do tonight, so wont have time to copy it tonight :-( |
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| 19:27.05 | mojo-jojo | I forgott the password... |
| 19:27.17 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: does it connect? |
| 19:27.21 | mojo-jojo | 'Yes |
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| 19:27.31 | tralala | muramasa, even if I'm not there are plenty of others being able to help |
| 19:27.34 | mojo-jojo | But it askes for an password witch I dont recall... |
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| 19:27.55 | tralala | muramasa, what's your timezone? |
| 19:28.01 | mojo-jojo | How to reset? |
| 19:28.03 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: now you need to figure out how to create a password for vncserver |
| 19:28.04 | muramasa | tralala, GMT+1, Sweden :-) |
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| 19:28.29 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: I've done it, I need to change it. Forgotten how, its like an houre since I installed it... |
| 19:28.40 | simonrvn | @jelly++ |
| 19:28.47 | Lin | hi there Im trying to use whiptail to make a gauge.. but without success because the bar do not grow and the text do not change. ANy tips? for x in $(seq 0 20 100); do printf "XXX\n${x}\nalpha${x}\nXXX\n"; sleep 1; done | whiptail --gauge "ARG" 20 40 0 |
| 19:28.56 | simonrvn | (assuming that's what you consider your main nick) |
| 19:29.12 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: man vncpasswd |
| 19:29.30 | tralala | muramasa, thepiratebay ;) okay, that's close enough. Generally I'm around but not always paying attention. Just ask the channel and when I'm around I'll check my backlog |
| 19:29.31 | jelly-home | simonrvn: i do |
| 19:30.11 | muramasa | tralala, haha, indeed piratebay ;) sure! I'll talk to you tomorrow then! Thank you for your assistance today, appreciate it :-) |
| 19:30.25 | tralala | muramasa, you're welcome |
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| 19:31.22 | mojo-jojo | How do I specify the ip of the host when I connect? |
| 19:31.33 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: what? |
| 19:32.17 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: ip of the debian machine? why would you need it, if using the name works already? |
| 19:32.22 | startxwhite | anyone can point to the newbie friendly guide to do what i already mentioned? |
| 19:34.24 | abrotman | startxwhite: #networking |
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| 19:34.32 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: If I walk away.. |
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| 19:35.03 | startxwhite | <abrotman> i already asked there |
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| 19:35.37 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: you can use ip in place of the symbolic name in most internet applications |
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| 19:36.14 | Nyle | simonrvn: what is a ++ anyway? |
| 19:36.20 | jelly-home | s/ip/an ip address/ |
| 19:36.24 | jelly-home | !karma |
| 19:36.24 | dpkg | jelly-home has karma of 4 |
| 19:36.35 | Joelito | hi all, I install debian + gnome and I need to localized gnome to spanish, any ideas..please? |
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| 19:37.00 | abrotman | startxwhite: so wait .. this is not the correct channel |
| 19:37.03 | mahmoud2 | DawnLight: try getmail, should be easier than fetchmail |
| 19:37.05 | jelly-home | Nyle: points recorded when someone is a really smart-arse |
| 19:37.17 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:37.19 | Nyle | !++ nyle |
| 19:37.21 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:37.37 | Nyle | how di i find out how many time i've been a smart ass |
| 19:37.37 | jelly-home | Nyle: it wouldn't be fun if you could up yours, would it |
| 19:37.42 | Nyle | no find out |
| 19:37.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:37.44 | jelly-home | !karma nyle |
| 19:37.44 | dpkg | nyle has karma of 2 |
| 19:37.49 | jelly-home | @karma nyle |
| 19:37.49 | Nyle | oh karma |
| 19:37.49 | ravenbird | nyle has neutral karma |
| 19:37.59 | abrotman | is it bob2 that has the most .. or greycat? |
| 19:38.03 | abrotman | or neither .. |
| 19:38.03 | Nyle | i only wise assed twice |
| 19:38.08 | jelly-home | @karma stoned |
| 19:38.08 | ravenbird | stoned has neutral karma |
| 19:38.11 | jelly-home | !karma stoned |
| 19:38.11 | dpkg | stoned has karma of 2 |
| 19:38.21 | Nyle | im can't troll either |
| 19:38.25 | Nyle | i* |
| 19:38.30 | Nyle | i try but.. you know |
| 19:38.41 | jelly-home | bob2 has only 1 |
| 19:38.47 | startxwhite | <abrotman> am i not in the correct channel to ask about how to set up a wireless repeater or router using a laptop running gnu/linux debian hostap drivers? |
| 19:39.02 | abrotman | the former .. hostap is fine here .. my apologies |
| 19:39.05 | Joelito | anyone? |
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| 19:39.12 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 19:39.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:39.23 | Nyle | heh sorry i couldn't resist |
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| 19:39.26 | simonrvn | greycat |
| 19:39.35 | abrotman | bob2's karma seems .. very wrong |
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| 19:39.51 | Nyle | Joelito: I think you need to generate a spanish locale thingy |
| 19:39.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: perhaps he reincarnated |
| 19:39.57 | Nyle | Joelito: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:39.59 | mojo-jojo | Does debian have software like cfdisk /F? |
| 19:40.08 | simonrvn | bob2 had at least 10-15 IIRC |
| 19:40.20 | Nyle | I thought karma was a good thing |
| 19:40.21 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: chkdsk? |
| 19:40.28 | Joelito | Nyle: I'll try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:40.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: i thought he was way higher |
| 19:40.43 | mojo-jojo | chkld |
| 19:40.51 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: what does it do? |
| 19:40.57 | Nyle | its actually pronounced Kurm |
| 19:41.03 | mojo-jojo | chkdsk /f |
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| 19:41.10 | Nyle | they put an a at the end of all hindi words |
| 19:41.11 | mojo-jojo | It fixes messed up ntfs partitions |
| 19:41.11 | abrotman | mojo-jojo: fsck |
| 19:41.16 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: fsck |
| 19:41.19 | Altair^ | I was trying to install ieee80211 on my laptop, but I face this problem that whenever I run make (or remove-old) I get errors that I don't have some files in /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build/, do you guys know what I am missing here? |
| 19:41.19 | simonrvn | probably, i do remember it was pretty high, but not the (even approx.) amount |
| 19:41.19 | mojo-jojo | It does it? |
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| 19:41.47 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: not the ntfs ones, but that's the tool to fix the ones Debian knows about |
| 19:42.03 | chandor | Joelito: make sure locales-all is installed |
| 19:42.03 | hark | Altair^: there's no need to |
| 19:42.04 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: apt-get didnt find it... |
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| 19:42.20 | Altair^ | hark: no need to make? :> |
| 19:42.21 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: apt-get doesn't find file names. |
| 19:42.29 | abrotman | !tell mojo-jojo about search |
| 19:42.30 | Joelito | chandor: Why all? I'm a bit new of this |
| 19:42.43 | hark | Altair^: ieee80211 is already in the kernel |
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| 19:42.45 | Nyle | !es |
| 19:42.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:42.50 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: Package name? What is it? I dislike search |
| 19:42.59 | Nyle | Joelito: those guy would definitely know how to setup the spanish locales |
| 19:43.01 | Altair^ | hmm, but my wlan drivers don't still work |
| 19:43.04 | hark | Altair^: what wireless chipset? |
| 19:43.05 | emss | !nvidia |
| 19:43.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 19:43.10 | Altair^ | ipw3945 |
| 19:43.10 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: so you want me to search instead of you? Doh. |
| 19:43.31 | Nyle | jelly-home, our resident search assistant |
| 19:43.33 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:43.42 | jelly-home | search be hating me |
| 19:43.55 | hark | Altair^: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 19:43.58 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: My computer is fckd |
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| 19:44.04 | Nyle | unfuck it? |
| 19:44.17 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: what did you do now? |
| 19:44.21 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: I'm trying, but I need to fix the partition |
| 19:44.27 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: to make things short, fsck is already there. |
| 19:44.44 | mojo-jojo | 38 cluster-counter missmatches |
| 19:44.52 | jelly-home | cluster? |
| 19:44.55 | Altair^ | hark: oh thanks |
| 19:44.59 | Altair^ | I'll try that out |
| 19:45.08 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: there is no fsck for NTFS in Linux. |
| 19:45.26 | Nyle | jelly-home: you sure? |
| 19:45.27 | abrotman | i thought ntfs-3g had one? (not that i would trust it) |
| 19:45.33 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: you'll need to fix that partition in its native OS. |
| 19:45.40 | jelly-home | Nyle: pretty sure. |
| 19:45.55 | mojo-jojo | It says it will kill my computer... |
| 19:45.56 | Nyle | or... get a bootcd of some sort with dos/ntfs or windows tools on it (chkdsk.exe) and run it |
| 19:46.05 | Nyle | maybe ubcd |
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| 19:46.07 | Nyle | !ubcd |
| 19:46.08 | dpkg | i heard ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 19:46.17 | mojo-jojo | Because hda1 is mounted, kinda strange since no partition is named hda1 |
| 19:46.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: I have an XP installation just to do occasional chkdsk on an external drive... I'd get rid of it if there was a reliable fsck.ntfs |
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| 19:46.45 | Nyle | or try to ask ##windows .. I actually use a nonlegit cd called MiniPE and its a windows live cd basically with chkdsk.exe on it |
| 19:46.57 | Nyle | I won't tell you where to find it. |
| 19:46.58 | Joelito | Nyle: I think is working :) |
| 19:47.05 | Nyle | Joelito: cool :) |
| 19:47.12 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: But I'm searchofobic... |
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| 19:47.15 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: what are you trying to do now? |
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| 19:47.42 | Nyle | if he is asking for a fsck for ntfs then he probably wants to repair ntfs fs errors |
| 19:47.46 | Nyle | is that weird that I said that |
| 19:47.53 | Nyle | nt file system file system doh |
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| 19:47.55 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: Fix the ntfs partition without reboot, or me coming close to the computer |
| 19:47.59 | Nyle | its like saying, I have a NIC card :/ |
| 19:48.20 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: undoable. |
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| 19:48.26 | mojo-jojo | I cannot reboot my system, then it will die |
| 19:48.36 | jelly-home | sucks to be you |
| 19:48.38 | Cliph | Hi, is anyone using an SSL protected APT repository with client certificates? |
| 19:48.44 | mojo-jojo | Because the system think the debian is on hda1, but it is on hdd1 |
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| 19:49.11 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: so what are you needing to do exactly |
| 19:49.27 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: use Windows to fsck NTFS. End of story, anything else is just asking for data loss |
| 19:49.28 | mojo-jojo | Make hdd1 become hda1 |
| 19:49.44 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: its not y data, I couldnt care less... |
| 19:49.51 | mojo-jojo | s/y/my |
| 19:49.53 | Nyle | jelly-home: not entirely true. |
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| 19:50.45 | Joelito | Nyle: Ok, the generation is done, now how to set it? |
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| 19:50.52 | Nyle | Joelito: no idea |
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| 19:50.57 | Nyle | !locales |
| 19:50.57 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 19:51.01 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: if you don't care, just ignore the errors |
| 19:51.13 | Nyle | Joelito: umm.. maybe set $LANG? |
| 19:51.15 | Nyle | now |
| 19:51.23 | Nyle | you could set it to whatever spanish locale you generated |
| 19:52.10 | Nyle | but afaik dpkg-reconfigure locales asks you want as a default locale doesn't it? |
| 19:52.22 | Nyle | asks what you* |
| 19:52.28 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: But gparted refuse to resize with errors |
| 19:52.37 | mojo-jojo | Stupid program... |
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| 19:52.48 | Joelito | Nyle: how do I set "$LANG"? |
| 19:53.15 | Nyle | Joelito: export $LANG= |
| 19:53.15 | Nyle | or specify it in .bashrc or /etc/profile I think |
| 19:53.31 | Nyle | I'm just guessing dude |
| 19:53.38 | \amethyst | to set it systemwide, /etc/environment |
| 19:53.41 | Nyle | dont' take my word for it, I don't see anyone else helping you |
| 19:53.42 | Joelito | Nyle: hehe, thanks :) |
| 19:53.50 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: if you don't care about the data, just delete the partition |
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| 19:53.53 | \amethyst | (and make sure /etc/default/locale isn't overriding it) |
| 19:54.01 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: Scary... |
| 19:54.04 | Nyle | \amethyst: I should look into that today |
| 19:54.26 | Nyle | there are so many things I don't learn cuz i get high and wanna do other stuff |
| 19:54.31 | Altair^ | hmm, I almost succeeded in setting up my wlan, but when modprobing ipw3945 it gave me the following problems: http://pastebin.com/d15424249, what should I do? |
| 19:54.33 | Nyle | if i be spendin my time on debian like for real, dude I could be so knowledgable |
| 19:54.34 | Nyle | :( |
| 19:54.36 | mojo-jojo | The xsession, will it dissapear if I close vnc? |
| 19:54.41 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: no, scary is you thinking of remote partition resizing and making it all work without a reboot |
| 19:54.49 | Nyle | maybe as much as some of you guys |
| 19:54.57 | Nyle | that would be nice :) |
| 19:55.18 | mojo-jojo | I hate reboot, that would make my system randomly boot windows or linux, that is scary, espesicialy if i cannot control witch |
| 19:55.32 | xushi | Roobarb: Evening. I just want to say thanks again for the help with RAID. Everything's back up and working now. |
| 19:55.35 | Nyle | randomly? you know all bootloaders are configurable |
| 19:55.38 | Nyle | even the shittiest ones |
| 19:55.44 | Nyle | well almost |
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| 19:56.18 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Mine is random, the partitions, or the harddrive devices have random device names... |
| 19:56.28 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: so far, you've said your problem was a) vnc, b) ntfs fsck, c) gparted. If you had stated your REAL problem in the beginning, someone might have proposed a better solution instead of running gparted remotely over vnc |
| 19:56.46 | Nyle | jelly-home: wow |
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| 19:56.53 | Nyle | someone actually recommended that |
| 19:57.10 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: I have a lot of problems |
| 19:57.13 | Nyle | what the hell does one need gparted for :) |
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| 19:57.23 | mojo-jojo | For instance I get gnome instead of kde... |
| 19:57.57 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: repartition, reformat, wipe windows, install debian, and call it a day. |
| 19:58.12 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: I have debian on an seperate disk |
| 19:58.22 | jelly-home | Nyle: and in addition to that, someone might be working at the console of that machine while he's doing the magic |
| 19:58.24 | nevyn | mojo-jojo: if you "get" gnome you do have a problem (get == grok) |
| 19:58.29 | Nyle | if the data on ntfs is not important to you, then why not reformat the drive? |
| 19:58.45 | Nyle | why worry about fixing it? |
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| 19:59.10 | mojo-jojo | I just want to see if the windows partition can work |
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| 19:59.33 | Nyle | and we told you that no ntfs fsck is for debian |
| 19:59.36 | robboplus | once again in my life i managed to forget how to fix php5 so apache recognizes .php properly... can someone please tell me what was it about? just installed apache and php5 on fresh box and it won't behave as expected |
| 19:59.37 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: that requires access to console. |
| 19:59.45 | Nyle | so thats the end of tht, now you need to go to ##windows |
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| 20:00.05 | mojo-jojo | jelly-home: I'm sshing the box, I have consoles everywhere |
| 20:00.06 | robboplus | i remember it was about some trivial conf edition |
| 20:00.28 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: they would know of some tools... but if you can't reboot, you ARE sol |
| 20:00.41 | jelly-home | mojo-jojo: _physical_ console access to check whether windows would boot, and to repair its filesystem |
| 20:01.15 | Nyle | or go download a warez copy of a windows live cd from the interwebs |
| 20:01.17 | jelly-home | robboplus: if you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed, something like "a2enmod php5" |
| 20:01.21 | Nyle | and you DID NOT hear me say that. |
| 20:01.22 | hark | robboplus: clear browser cache and restart browser |
| 20:01.23 | Nyle | type /clear |
| 20:01.35 | Nyle | thanks |
| 20:01.51 | jelly-home | instant amnesia |
| 20:01.55 | Nyle | :D |
| 20:03.49 | dkr | !php wants me to download still |
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| 20:03.50 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
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| 20:04.45 | Nyle | My pottery gradually diminishes... |
| 20:04.56 | Nyle | I am unhappy about that. |
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| 20:05.09 | mojo-jojo | End session broke the vnc server |
| 20:05.15 | mojo-jojo | I wanted login window |
| 20:05.25 | Nyle | can't get login window |
| 20:05.27 | mojo-jojo | I got empty images |
| 20:05.35 | Nyle | vncserver doesn't deply a *dm |
| 20:05.41 | Nyle | it launches an Xsession |
| 20:05.48 | Nyle | if you want a login screen, consider XDMCP |
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| 20:06.31 | Nyle | as much as i know anyway, which really isn't much |
| 20:07.32 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: seriously, you're wasting your time, I can tell you that right now. |
| 20:08.19 | Nyle | unless you are willing to reboot, there is no way to fix that ntfs disk from within linux |
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| 20:08.28 | mojo-jojo | Now I can oly see my desktop image... |
| 20:08.32 | mojo-jojo | Thats bad... |
| 20:08.48 | Nyle | I tried it once |
| 20:09.08 | Nyle | oh about a few months I lost about 30gb ofmusic |
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| 20:09.29 | Nyle | it was metal too |
| 20:09.41 | mojo-jojo | I want an encypted partition, but now I dont have graphical... |
| 20:09.44 | Nyle | good thing I had a backup on another 750 disk |
| 20:09.48 | mojo-jojo | slay myself? |
| 20:09.55 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: you're an evil monkey |
| 20:10.04 | Nyle | computer doesn't like you |
| 20:10.05 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:10.14 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Is that the easyest solution? |
| 20:10.31 | Nyle | sometimes I feel like killingm y computer |
| 20:10.41 | Nyle | but then I just go smoke a joint, get high, talk to my gf |
| 20:10.47 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Slay is an package |
| 20:10.54 | Nyle | oh |
| 20:10.58 | Nyle | wow |
| 20:11.04 | Nyle | !info slay |
| 20:11.07 | heatman | Hello. I got 2 questions. 1) Is there a reason why ndiswrapper wont load automaticly in Etch after its properly install (including ndiswrapper -m). 2) is there a way to make an ip static using networkmanager... ive tried setting an static ip using various app but that just make my wireless card pause and unable to connect to any routers. |
| 20:11.11 | dpkg | slay: (Kills all of the user's processes), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 20:11.12 | jome | Kernel is working! |
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| 20:11.49 | Nyle | slay wow nice tool |
| 20:11.53 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Yeah |
| 20:11.57 | kdub432 | i've made a debian package, and when i try to install it with dpkg, it complains that some dependancies aren't met and stops the installation. how can i tell it to automatically go out and get those dependancies? |
| 20:12.01 | Nyle | you could just use kill but you know, w/e |
| 20:12.10 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: And I knew about it before you! |
| 20:12.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:12.27 | Nyle | yes you did |
| 20:12.27 | heatman | apt-get install -f |
| 20:12.48 | Nyle | heatman: that will remove the broken package more than likely |
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| 20:12.56 | kdub432 | heatman: thanks |
| 20:13.01 | hark | heatman: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 20:13.30 | Nyle | is it a 3rd party package? |
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| 20:13.42 | mojo-jojo | It is in the debian respos |
| 20:13.53 | Nyle | hark: thats to build it... |
| 20:13.59 | streuner | Nyle: ndiswrapper? |
| 20:14.00 | Nyle | hark: he said he already has installed |
| 20:14.22 | Nyle | so if its not autoloading then put itni /etc/modules |
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| 20:14.50 | Nyle | heatman: not network manager I've not used, but definitely through the interfaces file |
| 20:14.58 | Nyle | !static ip |
| 20:15.04 | Nyle | !static |
| 20:15.04 | dpkg | somebody said static was a stud |
| 20:15.09 | Nyle | dpkg: fuck off :) |
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| 20:15.27 | streuner | !listkeys static |
| 20:15.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'static' by key (3): _default static route ;; static route ;; static. |
| 20:15.40 | streuner | !factinfo static |
| 20:15.41 | dpkg | static -- created by static <~static@adsl-64-218-189-46.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net> at Wed Nov 13 19:23:06 2002 (1919 days); last modified at Sat Nov 16 11:45:44 2002 by static!~static@adsl-64-218-189-46.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net; it has been requested 36 times, last by Nyle, 36s ago. |
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| 20:15.47 | Nyle | !listvals static ip |
| 20:15.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'static ip' by value returned no results. |
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| 20:15.57 | streuner | !forget static |
| 20:15.57 | dpkg | streuner: i forgot static |
| 20:15.58 | acutedeath | For a linux newbie like myself, what is the advisable way to upgrade my kernel to a later version? What will happen if I download a later-version install ISO and try that? |
| 20:16.05 | cab46 | how can create a .img file from hpt374.ko ? |
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| 20:16.17 | Nyle | acutedeath: backports on stable debian |
| 20:16.18 | heatman | nyle: whereis such a file? |
| 20:16.20 | hark | Nyle: ah, misread that :) |
| 20:16.21 | Nyle | acutedeath: noting else. |
| 20:16.32 | Nyle | heatman: man interfaces |
| 20:16.41 | heatman | nyle: ah ok |
| 20:16.41 | Nyle | man 5 |
| 20:16.46 | Nyle | or /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:16.56 | Nyle | I don't trust gui software for system config |
| 20:16.59 | acutedeath | i'm not familiar with the term - backports |
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| 20:17.03 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 20:17.03 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 20:17.11 | Nyle | hm doh |
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| 20:17.20 | Nyle | !tell acutedeath -about backports |
| 20:17.29 | acutedeath | thanks man |
| 20:17.32 | Nyle | sure |
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| 20:21.47 | Fabio_Como | hello, i have a linux box with XDMCP active. which is the best option to have a "boot cd" just to remotely connect to that XDCMP terminal? thank you |
| 20:22.43 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: so if you want to from any nix client on your network you can import your desktop from the server? |
| 20:22.57 | Fabio_Como | mmm not. |
| 20:23.00 | \amethyst | Fabio_Como: you can make a custom debian live CD |
| 20:23.11 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: or you want to serve up a live/boot cd for network installs or terminal services? |
| 20:23.17 | Nyle | I don't get you |
| 20:23.20 | Nyle | :( |
| 20:23.42 | Fabio_Como | I know that with XDMCP is possible too to have a disk-less machine that boots from network.. |
| 20:23.49 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: ahh that |
| 20:23.52 | Nyle | you want !ltsp |
| 20:23.57 | Nyle | i think. |
| 20:24.09 | Fabio_Como | yes linux terminal server project |
| 20:24.42 | Fabio_Como | but I cannot boot from network, since I cannot have the ownership on the DHCP server |
| 20:24.51 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:25.15 | Nyle | you need admin rights in order to setup all that, yes. |
| 20:25.31 | Fabio_Como | so i just would like to have a "boot cd" with very minimal software (that boots very quickly) than i insert the IP of my XDMCP box and it connects to it |
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| 20:25.58 | Nyle | dpkg IIUYC is If I Understand You Correctly |
| 20:25.58 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 20:26.04 | Nyle | here, cool, I made anew acronym |
| 20:26.09 | Nyle | thats right, suck on this :D |
| 20:26.44 | Fabio_Como | now, i can connect on that debian box using Xming from a windows box. |
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| 20:27.44 | Fabio_Como | i would like a "boot cd" that can quickly boot something like "xming" that have just the task of connecting me to a remote debian terminal graphic server |
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| 20:27.51 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:28.18 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: you would have to run the livecd, and while its running, setup xauthority and dm to accept xdmcp requeststs... |
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| 20:28.27 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: I don't see how ltsp comes into play here |
| 20:28.32 | Azrael_- | i try to install grub from a chroot in a rescue-console and get this error: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 20:28.39 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: I don't understnad you. |
| 20:28.41 | Nyle | I give up :( |
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| 20:28.52 | Fabio_Como | Nyle: ehm.. no.. I already have a XDMCP that accept remote connnections.. |
| 20:29.16 | dkr | Azrael_-: modify the grub device map? |
| 20:29.24 | \amethyst | Nyle: he's asking about a minimal liveCD the boots up into a XDMCP chooser instead of logging in locally |
| 20:29.25 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: and how do you suppose you'll going to connect to that xdmcp server and expect to a new boot cd? |
| 20:29.27 | porkpie | hi guy's is this the correct syntax for fstab to mount a share 192.168.1.100:/exports/zimbramail /nas/exports/zimbramail |
| 20:29.27 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: use a grub to boot debian and do grub-install from the booted debian |
| 20:29.33 | Nyle | \amethyst: oh |
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| 20:29.59 | porkpie | I have tried a reboot but it doesn't mount it |
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| 20:30.07 | dkr | porkpie: no,you need to specify a few morefields.look atecisting rows in file for examples |
| 20:30.11 | Azrael_- | DawnLight: this is a dedicated server -> not possible |
| 20:30.17 | Azrael_- | dkr: will check it, sec |
| 20:30.24 | Fabio_Como | Nyle: i just would like to substitute "windows+xming" with a minimal "boot cd", in order to connect to my remote linux box.. |
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| 20:30.40 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: ahhh |
| 20:30.52 | dkr | porkpie: you also need the "auto"option in the options field for it to mount it automatically at boot |
| 20:31.17 | porkpie | dkr:so the syntax is correct ? |
| 20:31.24 | Fabio_Como | Nyle: i don't want a "boot cd" that takes 10 minutes to boot.. i just need the minimum to be able to connect to a remote linux machine that have XDMCP activated. |
| 20:31.26 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: just get something like uhmm... DSLinux and go from there?, just boot up with the cd, and then start another X in a new display and tell it to get the xdesktop from your server |
| 20:31.34 | porkpie | dkr: what would the syntax look like |
| 20:31.34 | Nyle | !dsl |
| 20:31.34 | dpkg | dsl is probably Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 20:31.37 | dkr | porkpie: no,you need to specify a few more fields.look at existing rows in file for examples |
| 20:31.38 | Nyle | damn small linux |
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| 20:31.59 | Fabio_Como | ok |
| 20:32.07 | aep | hi |
| 20:32.07 | Nyle | contains a 50mb veryquick and very fast debian based linux live cd |
| 20:32.12 | Fabio_Como | tnx |
| 20:32.13 | porkpie | dkr: looking now |
| 20:32.13 | Nyle | it contains x serve too |
| 20:32.25 | dkr | or man fstab :) |
| 20:32.27 | aep | i have trouble installing subversion through apt http://rafb.net/p/yvF7v487.html |
| 20:32.39 | Nyle | so you can easily boto with it in a minute or less and like X -broadcast or specify the ip of your server |
| 20:32.47 | Nyle | w/e you want |
| 20:32.49 | aep | basicly: "Enabling dav as a dependency \n This module does not exist!" |
| 20:33.00 | Fabio_Como | thanks |
| 20:33.01 | Fabio_Como | :) |
| 20:33.02 | porkpie | dkr: this is what I have http://pastebin.com/d68b37e29 |
| 20:33.08 | Fabio_Como | i will try it |
| 20:33.14 | aep | can i ignore those weird scripts it executes and just make it install? like -stfu-and-install-it |
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| 20:33.18 | Nyle | and also, DSL can download the dpkg archive and even use dsl cd to isntall a debian system (still not supportd here as you are not using the debian installer) |
| 20:33.33 | Azrael_- | drk: (hd0) /dev/sda <--- didn't fix it |
| 20:33.48 | dkr | porkpie: see how the other entries have 6 fields? you need all of those |
| 20:33.59 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: if you setup dhcpd/pxeboot setup, you can serve up a running system over pxe boot |
| 20:34.03 | Fabio_Como | oh no.. i just want a boot cd to be able to connect and manage a remote debian server in graphical or console mode :) |
| 20:34.10 | Nyle | even a minimal live cd can be served up over pxe boot |
| 20:34.10 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: i don't understand why it is not possible to boot the existing debian installation and do grub-install then |
| 20:34.17 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: no hdd required that way :) |
| 20:34.23 | porkpie | dkr: where does the auto go |
| 20:34.35 | Azrael_- | DawnLight: the existing debian-installation is atm without any boot-loader |
| 20:34.35 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: then dsl is perfect fo ryou |
| 20:34.51 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: use a grub on a floppy or cd to boot it |
| 20:34.53 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: google for debian based rescue cds or sysadmin tools cds |
| 20:34.56 | Fabio_Como | Nyle: about pxeboot i think I can install it since I'm root on the server machine.. but about DHCPD i think i cannot setup it since i'm not the network administraor |
| 20:34.59 | dkr | porkpie: the fields are <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
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| 20:35.06 | Azrael_- | DawnLight: this is a dedicated server without any physical access! |
| 20:35.13 | Attilone | hi all |
| 20:35.16 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: I'm sure you'll figure something out :) |
| 20:35.24 | dkr | porkpie: auto is an option. you can use 0 and 0 for dump and pass |
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| 20:35.31 | Attilone | Fabio_Como: sei una fighetta xD xD |
| 20:35.40 | dkr | porkpie: for type it looks like you need nfs? |
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| 20:35.54 | Fabio_Como | Attilone: i'm male |
| 20:35.57 | debian_ | What was the command to make a vnc session? |
| 20:36.05 | porkpie | dkr: yes nfs |
| 20:36.10 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: what is this "rescue console"? |
| 20:36.11 | Nyle | debian_: man vncserver |
| 20:36.18 | Nyle | or man vnc4server |
| 20:36.31 | Azrael_- | DawnLight: a pxe network-boot with restricted access |
| 20:36.36 | debian_ | Nyle: Scroll up, copy paste. |
| 20:36.38 | debian_ | Its me |
| 20:36.43 | debian_ | mojo-jojo |
| 20:36.52 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:36.58 | mojo-jojo | You wrote it before |
| 20:37.09 | Nyle | I know |
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| 20:37.11 | Nyle | just read the manpage :) |
| 20:37.15 | Nyle | it has them in there too |
| 20:37.18 | mojo-jojo | Then I had to slay myself. Now I'm back, and need the command to start again. |
| 20:37.21 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: try pxegrub. i think i've heard that name |
| 20:37.21 | dkr | oh,auto is a default mount option "default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async." |
| 20:37.24 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Seriously? |
| 20:37.29 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Sure? |
| 20:37.29 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: (if you need to be spoonfed) |
| 20:37.41 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: vncserver -depth |
| 20:37.43 | Nyle | for color depth |
| 20:37.50 | Nyle | -geometry for how big you want the vnc desktop window |
| 20:38.01 | Nyle | maybe some other ones that may interest you |
| 20:38.09 | Nyle | please read the manpage of vncserver or vnc4server |
| 20:38.09 | porkpie | dkr: the remote file system is xfs |
| 20:38.14 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: i never succeeded in installing grub from anywhere but the booted installed debian |
| 20:38.20 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: It was more... |
| 20:38.41 | dkr | porkpie: these other nfs options might be useful for improving performance: 192.168.1.100:/exports/zimbramail /nas/exports/zimbramail nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 |
| 20:38.53 | dkr | porkpie: that doesn't matter |
| 20:39.02 | Attilone | Fabio_Como: scherzavo volevo vedere se eri italiano xD XD |
| 20:39.05 | mojo-jojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.20 | xingu | dkr: ... proto=tcp ... and use nfs4 if at all possible too. |
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| 20:39.31 | Fabio_Como | Attilone: english here |
| 20:39.34 | Nyle | -depth 24 -geometry 1024x768 |
| 20:39.44 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: seriously man, the manpage is like 1.5 pages long |
| 20:39.51 | Nyle | ffs, just read the fucking thing :) |
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| 20:40.30 | mojo-jojo | 1.5 pages? |
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| 20:40.46 | Nyle | it seems like 1 + 1/2 pages to me |
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| 20:40.49 | mojo-jojo | Colour depth 24 looked bad |
| 20:40.50 | Nyle | man vncserver |
| 20:41.05 | Nyle | your display is screwed up then |
| 20:41.17 | Nyle | try a diff color depth cuz 24 is pretty much high up there |
| 20:41.20 | mojo-jojo | Everything is pink |
| 20:41.40 | Nyle | I'm done. |
| 20:42.26 | mojo-jojo | I'll stop asking questions if you tell me what is the easiest way to encrypt an harddrive? |
| 20:42.35 | Nyle | cryptfs |
| 20:42.44 | Nyle | truecrypt |
| 20:42.51 | Nyle | encrypted lvm |
| 20:42.57 | Nyle | uhm... GOOGLE! |
| 20:43.01 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Does truecrypt make me compile something? |
| 20:43.05 | Fabio_Como | Nyle: i have one more question. With Windows+XMing, when I connect to my debian box, I have to check the option "Use indirect connect", if I don't check it, it doesn't connect. have you any idea about what's wrong? |
| 20:43.07 | Nyle | don't make IRC yoru first resource |
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| 20:43.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:43.27 | Nyle | try asking on irc AFTER you've tried to look for yourself |
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| 20:43.46 | dkr | mojo-jojo: to choose encrypted filesystem when you install debian |
| 20:43.48 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: I'm not sure, this is specific to Xming |
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| 20:43.53 | dkr | is easiest |
| 20:44.02 | Nyle | is this* |
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| 20:44.07 | Nyle | could be |
| 20:44.22 | acutedeath | omg, a pickle: I've been trying to get my wireless drivers working for my debian box, but they are in development. In order to try the latest version, I need to upgrade my kernel. In order to do so, I really should have internet... I've tried sharing this windows box connection, but windows=poop. Is a fresh/overwrite install my only option? |
| 20:44.24 | porkpie | dkr:didn't work :S |
| 20:44.44 | mojo-jojo | dkr: So I have to backup all my files, make a program apt-get list, delte everything, reinstall, just to make my secondary harddrive encrypted? |
| 20:44.47 | dkr | mounting doesn't work, or automatically mounting after reboot doesn't? |
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| 20:45.00 | porkpie | dkr:auto |
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| 20:45.13 | Nyle | acutedeath: ##windows.. share the connection somehow and just get the latest linux source and use kpkg and build a new kernel |
| 20:45.24 | Nyle | acutedeath: then build the driver module and insert it |
| 20:45.32 | dkr | mojo-jojo: that seems a bit silly |
| 20:45.37 | Nyle | acutedeath: to help you get internet, I don't know how |
| 20:45.49 | porkpie | dkr:it mounts manually :( |
| 20:45.53 | Nyle | acutedeath: if widnows box has internt and you want to share it with this pc, ask ##windows |
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| 20:47.07 | dkr | hrm, I forget what controls whether nfs shares mounted at boot. ah, /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh |
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| 20:47.31 | acutedeath | Nyle: OK. But I've dicked with the windows sharing a lot; I guess it has to work eventually. |
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| 20:47.39 | Nyle | don't dick with it. |
| 20:47.50 | Nyle | understand how it works and you will have it working. |
| 20:47.52 | acutedeath | heh |
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| 20:48.05 | Nyle | becasue I know for a fact that it works |
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| 20:48.24 | acutedeath | I've been through multitudes of intructionals, and much frustration. |
| 20:48.29 | SparFux | Does anybody recognize an effect of XKBLAYOUT in /etc/default/console-setup for the linux console? |
| 20:48.35 | Nyle | acutedeath: try ##windows |
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| 20:48.38 | Nyle | lots of gurus there |
| 20:48.41 | mojo-jojo | Ubuntu is close enough to isntall on debian= |
| 20:48.53 | acutedeath | also: any change you make, you must reboot. also, I just joined ##windows, on my way |
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| 20:49.11 | Nyle | acutedeath: not really |
| 20:49.18 | SparFux | I am so glad I got rid of dos and windows. This rebooting sucks forever! |
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| 20:49.38 | Nyle | acutedeath: just disable that particular connection and enable it again. That seems to restart widows networking services |
| 20:49.39 | SparFux | I am waiting for GNU/HURD anyway. This microkernel stuff just rocks. You will not even have to reboot for kernel updates. |
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| 20:49.40 | acutedeath | Nyle: ok, maybe you don't have to reboot, but it sure asks a lot |
| 20:49.42 | Nyle | or not.. i dunno |
| 20:49.50 | Nyle | acutedeath: I'm not defindin tit |
| 20:49.55 | Nyle | um |
| 20:50.01 | Nyle | ding it* |
| 20:50.09 | Nyle | I do like tits though |
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| 20:50.11 | chris_hat_irc | hello, i have got phpmyadmin and php5 in the newest stable version. Sometimes when i view tables i got errors with mb_stritr(). Is that a bug? |
| 20:50.11 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Would an debian package work on debian? |
| 20:50.13 | acutedeath | :) it's like an argument, only we agree |
| 20:50.22 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: maybe |
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| 20:50.34 | sohmestra | if there exists a package foo-blah-i386-2.deb in both debian & ubuntu, is there any guarentee/reason to believe that the debian and ubuntu packages are identical |
| 20:50.34 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: depneds on what it depends on |
| 20:50.49 | Fabio_Como | isn't there bash-completion package on debian? :| |
| 20:50.58 | Nyle | mojo-jojo: if you mean an official debian package in official stable yes, testing/sid, not guaranteed |
| 20:51.08 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: zsh |
| 20:51.10 | Nyle | D: |
| 20:51.13 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:51.13 | SparFux | Fabio: I think there is. I have bash-completion. |
| 20:51.22 | Fabio_Como | oh ok |
| 20:51.29 | jrails | Need to install ImageMagick-devel on debian etch for RMagick |
| 20:51.31 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: It is truecrypt, it didnt have debian file. |
| 20:51.49 | Nyle | jrails: search imagemagick|grep dev |
| 20:51.54 | Nyle | perhaps |
| 20:52.00 | Roman123 | I'm looking for an etch backport of mod_gnutls (mod_gnutls enables ssl encryption at multiple virtual name based hosts). |
| 20:52.05 | porkpie | dkr:fixed :) |
| 20:52.10 | porkpie | thanks for your help |
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| 20:53.14 | Nyle | wow |
| 20:53.19 | Nyle | google is taking over Earth |
| 20:53.22 | jrails | Nyle, I don't understand your suggestion .... are you suggesting Google or a linux command |
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| 20:53.49 | Nyle | huh? |
| 20:53.54 | Nyle | no I'm just being goofy |
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| 20:54.11 | Joelito | hi all, one question: anyone know what version of linux-image come in this netinst.iso: current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:54.15 | Nyle | jrails: I told _you_ to search imagemagick and grep for -dev packages |
| 20:54.21 | tictac | . |
| 20:54.22 | Nyle | !iiuyc |
| 20:54.23 | dpkg | i guess iiuyc is If I Understand You Correctly |
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| 20:54.45 | DawnLight | hello. does POP3 with SSL require the client to have key and/or a certificate? |
| 20:54.59 | Nyle | Joelito: 2.6.18 |
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| 20:55.08 | Nyle | Joelito: -4 I believe |
| 20:55.16 | kiliko | I have just made an distupgrade and made a diskless klient, but my client can't use the keyboard to loginto the computer, i have only ssh access now. any idea what i need todo? |
| 20:55.21 | Nyle | and then security.debian.org I think gives you 2.6.18-5 |
| 20:55.22 | Joelito | Nyle: ok, thanks :) |
| 20:55.23 | Linuturk | when I reboot my debian stable laptop (Toshiba R15-S822) the fan kicks on and stays on. The only way to get my machine to shutdown is to hold the power button down. I've booted with acpi=off, and it still hangs like this. When I envoke shutdown, however, it doesn't do this. |
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| 20:55.35 | Nyle | Joelito: look at the cd contents list I think |
| 20:55.37 | Roman123 | DawnLight: a certificate |
| 20:55.40 | Nyle | !contents |
| 20:55.41 | kiliko | s/distupgrade/bootstrap/ |
| 20:55.44 | Nyle | doh |
| 20:55.47 | Nyle | w/e |
| 20:55.53 | hdevalence | Where to I set the login text (not the motd, the text that shows before login) |
| 20:55.58 | hdevalence | *do |
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| 20:56.11 | DawnLight | Roman123: need i read about how SSL works? |
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| 20:56.26 | kiliko | hdevalence, /etc/issue ? |
| 20:56.32 | mojo-jojo | How do I start truecrypt? |
| 20:56.39 | DawnLight | Roman123: i'm configuring getmail to get mail |
| 20:56.53 | hdevalence | kiliko: Yes! thank you very much! |
| 20:56.54 | Roman123 | DawnLight: there are two ways: 1. import the ssl certs to your clients. 2. buy an official cert which is already included in your client (e.g., instantssl). |
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| 20:57.18 | chris_hat_irc | Does anybody know what it is up with this mb_strstri error in phpmyadmin? when i restart my server it is gone |
| 20:57.21 | acutedeath | Well, it looks like backports still won't give me a current enough kernel. |
| 20:57.24 | chris_hat_irc | but sometimes it appears again |
| 20:57.56 | wizard_ | hellas, am having some problems with mod_jk, apache and tomcat |
| 20:58.04 | mojo-jojo | FUSE_2.6', is that an debian package? |
| 20:58.08 | wizard_ | it seems my apache doesnt want to accept connections for tomcat |
| 20:58.10 | Nyle | ok I have a blank /etc/motd, I login to my box, and I get nothing except the last login line, /etc/issue contents are not displayed |
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| 20:58.14 | wizard_ | and its driving me nuts |
| 20:58.16 | Nyle | WHAT exactly does /etc/issue do? |
| 20:58.30 | Nyle | i man man issue says stuff |
| 20:58.34 | Nyle | but i don't get the point of it |
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| 20:58.54 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it's part of what gets stuck into /etc/motd |
| 20:59.05 | Azrael_- | DawnLight: was able to do it: install lilo and now try it with grub after booting with lilo |
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| 20:59.33 | dondelelcaro | err, not motd, but what gets put on the console by login |
| 20:59.36 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: is this before the login 'prompt' itself is shown? right in console when you freshly boot the system |
| 20:59.39 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:59.46 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: yes. |
| 20:59.46 | Nyle | 2 lines above logn: |
| 20:59.48 | Nyle | ahhh ok |
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| 21:00.14 | ferret_0767 | who decided to enable kexec on reboot automatically when rebooting recently (never saw this before updating my system). I would appreciate it, but I'm using a framebuffer, and I don't have fbcon compiled into my kernel, so the new kexec'd kernel won't immediately start in framebuffer mode |
| 21:00.20 | Tramp | Nyle: it's a "feature" of the (ge)tty to display an issue |
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| 21:00.39 | ferret_0767 | I'm using uvesafb, so yes, the framebuffer should have worked after kexec if I had fbcon in my kernel |
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| 21:00.43 | Nyle | Tramp: I don't know enough to understand that |
| 21:00.45 | Nyle | :( |
| 21:01.04 | Nyle | I'm guessing that getty is a function or system call |
| 21:01.26 | Tramp | Nyle: I mean the (ge)tty or whatever program controls the terminal has to display the issue. It's even before login gets control |
| 21:01.43 | Nyle | oh I see |
| 21:01.45 | DawnLight | thanks Azrael_- |
| 21:01.58 | Nyle | login doesn't control that |
| 21:02.03 | Tramp | right |
| 21:02.08 | Azrael_- | but this time the server didn't come up |
| 21:02.25 | Nyle | I though tit logical to assume that login would provide the initial introduction to the system before login |
| 21:02.28 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: bummer |
| 21:02.41 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: no pxegrub? |
| 21:02.59 | Azrael_- | no, i don't need a special grub for pxe |
| 21:03.25 | lskafjiosdfuasdl | could someone give me a hand setting up smb on my computer? |
| 21:03.31 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: then what's stopping you |
| 21:03.45 | lskafjiosdfuasdl | the tutorials im reading arent correct |
| 21:03.51 | Azrael_- | atm the correct grub-configuration and first recovering the server now :) |
| 21:04.58 | itrebal | I'm looking to upgrade my kernel to fix this security bug, and I ran apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, however it didn't upgrade the kernel; is there a way to force it? |
| 21:05.04 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: update-grub should configure it correctly in most cases |
| 21:05.11 | Tramp | Nyle: login doesn't even control the "login: " Prompt. If you do a ps -ef you won't see a single login |
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| 21:05.41 | Azrael_- | DawnLight: thats the thing i forgot |
| 21:05.48 | Nyle | Tramp: how would I do a ps command if i have not yet logged in |
| 21:06.04 | Nyle | I'm not very knowledgable on this deep technical matters |
| 21:06.06 | Asmooh | when will ati be good in linux? |
| 21:06.09 | Asmooh | 2015? |
| 21:06.24 | reed[] | Hello. Can anyone help me use debconf in making a package? I have ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule" in my postinst script, but something in there is causing postinst to exit with error code 128. Any ideas? |
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| 21:06.34 | Nyle | !info login |
| 21:06.38 | dpkg | login: (system login tools), section admin, is required. Version: 1:4.1.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 799 kB, Installed size: 2316 kB |
| 21:06.43 | Nyle | meh |
| 21:06.43 | ferret_0767 | who decided to enable kexec on reboot automatically when rebooting recently (never saw this before updating my system today)? I would appreciate it, but I'm using a framebuffer, and I don't have fbcon compiled into my kernel, so the new kexec'd kernel won't immediately start in framebuffer mode |
| 21:06.49 | ferret_0767 | I'm using uvesafb, so yes, the framebuffer should have worked after kexec if I had fbcon in my kernel |
| 21:06.54 | Tramp | Nyle: well, I mean if you login on 1 console (or in a graphical environment) and then do a ps. You have login:-prompt on all your other virtual consoles, but no login-process yet running. |
| 21:07.01 | Ace2016 | Anyone got any advice for making a well encrypted hard drive? |
| 21:07.15 | ferret_0767 | how can I disable kexec after reboot temporarily? |
| 21:07.39 | reed[] | Tramp, it's getty |
| 21:07.41 | Nyle | Tramp: yes I just man login and in the first para it says that |
| 21:07.41 | ferret_0767 | that's just annoying! they should have reboot.nokexec or something! |
| 21:07.44 | Ace2016 | apart from a long password mine is 57 characters and includes |
| 21:07.56 | Tramp | reed[]: That's what I'm just explaining since 10 minutes |
| 21:08.05 | ferret_0767 | </rant> |
| 21:08.07 | Nyle | 3 minutes |
| 21:08.07 | Nyle | . |
| 21:08.11 | reed[] | OK sorry wasn't sure |
| 21:08.23 | Asmooh | hmm.. debian doesnt support the: ATI™ SB600 ? |
| 21:08.27 | Asmooh | and AMD X4xx ? |
| 21:08.27 | ferret_0767 | do Debian kernel's work properly in this respect? |
| 21:08.31 | ferret_0767 | kernels*\ |
| 21:08.49 | Tramp | Nyle: yes, and also check man getty, if you feel like it 8) |
| 21:09.04 | ferret_0767 | I do think my problem with kexec is simple to fix though, as described above |
| 21:09.06 | Nyle | Tramp: was next on my list (just curious) |
| 21:10.01 | Ace2016 | how stable is reiser4? |
| 21:10.05 | damion | hm |
| 21:10.25 | mojo-jojo | How to setup crptosetup-luks? |
| 21:10.31 | Ace2016 | i know i know |
| 21:10.36 | Ace2016 | well i'm reading a how to on it |
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| 21:10.42 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: btw, someone had already filed that bug on klipper in march 07, and I spoke with someone from the debian-kde team, and they said something about translations.. and lots of work ... |
| 21:10.51 | Ace2016 | mojo-jojo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404346 |
| 21:10.53 | Nyle | I got a patch already so... |
| 21:11.05 | DawnLight | Roman123: grom what i've read now in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#How_it_works i don't understand why the client would need a certificate or a key. could you point me in the right direction? |
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| 21:13.30 | reed[] | Anyone know about debconf? Any good tutorials? The policy/developer docs on debian.org are pretty confusing and spotty ... |
| 21:13.33 | mojo-jojo | How many weeks until luks is cracked by google? |
| 21:13.57 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: best to send the patch to the bug, then |
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| 21:15.01 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: its a generic kde config file for klipper, mozilla, and firefox are hardcoded even though they maynot be installed |
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| 21:15.14 | Tramp | DawnLight: A client only needs a certificate, if the server requires the client to authenticate itself. This is usually not the case. Usually the server provides a certificate, to authenticate itself for the client |
| 21:15.16 | Nyle | I don't see how locales would affect that |
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| 21:15.32 | DawnLight | Tramp: thought so. thanks |
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| 21:15.57 | Azrael_- | DawnLight: works now |
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| 21:16.24 | Nyle | !localize |
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| 21:16.43 | itrebal | does anyone have a solid documentation on preciesly how to upgrade a debian etch box for DS-403 running 2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 21:16.51 | Tramp | DawnLight: It is, however, possible that an authentication scheme requres the client to provide a certificate (often in combination with some form of password authentication). |
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| 21:17.35 | Roman123 | DawnLight: What I mean is that the certificate of the server has to be imported to your clients if it is not already included (officials certs). |
| 21:17.41 | Nyle | its not in the ddp develops manuals |
| 21:17.58 | Nyle | where can I find the debian documentation on localization |
| 21:18.03 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:18.07 | Roman123 | DawnLight: s/has to be/should be |
| 21:18.18 | Nyle | s/develops/developers |
| 21:18.37 | DawnLight | Azrael_-: so the problem was the debian didn't boot because you didn't do an update-grub? did you play with menu.lst? |
| 21:18.50 | Nyle | i had all them bookmarked and lost i em |
| 21:18.51 | Roman123 | DawnLight: you, as client, has to trust the certificate provided by the server to enable a ssl encrypted transfer between server and client. |
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| 21:19.33 | Nyle | its not in the ddp anywhere that I can find |
| 21:19.41 | DawnLight | Roman123: to avoid man in the middle attacks? |
| 21:19.57 | Tramp | Roman123: No. You trust the certification-authority (CA) which has signed the servers's certificate. |
| 21:20.06 | Nyle | search button on debian.org is broken! |
| 21:20.09 | DawnLight | Tramp: either |
| 21:20.12 | Nyle | internal server error |
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| 21:20.47 | DawnLight | Tramp: i don't trust corporations, anyway |
| 21:20.48 | Nyle | I'm sure webmaster@debian.org has been notified? |
| 21:20.55 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Installing luks now. Oo |
| 21:20.55 | Tramp | DawnLight: The trust on the server's certificate comes from verification of the CAs signature |
| 21:21.40 | Nyle | im usually off on thursdays, I wonder if I have to go to work today |
| 21:21.45 | Roman123 | Tramp: yes, that's in detail :I |
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| 21:22.26 | wizard_ | does anybody have an idea why tomcat is not starting a connector on port 8009, if it is defined in server.xml ? |
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| 21:22.40 | mojo-jojo | Nyle: Without asking you, nanananana. |
| 21:22.41 | DawnLight | Tramp: either that or that i trust the server's sysadmin and he gave me the certificate in other means |
| 21:22.52 | adinc | pam_mail.so is not setting my mail environment variable, can someone tell me which is responsiblefor setting this variable? |
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| 21:23.23 | DawnLight | wizard_: perhaps you have the gnu java instead of the sun java and it doesn't like it |
| 21:23.49 | wizard_ | DawnLight: no. sun java. 1.5 jdk |
| 21:23.56 | wizard_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.56 | wizard_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.09 | wizard_ | thats the line in the server.xml |
| 21:24.19 | wizard_ | also, i have no 8443 port open |
| 21:24.23 | Roman123 | DawnLight: You can distinguish between self signed certs and those signed by companies (e.g., instantssl, verisgn, etc.), which provide such certs (in general for money). |
| 21:24.25 | DawnLight | wizard_: perhaps it is not bound to the IP you're trying from |
| 21:24.32 | Tramp | DawnLight: It would be new to me, that you can preload a server's certificate and manually assign trust (as you do in the web-of-trust approach as in pgp/gpg). But well, it is a complicated protocol and maybe it can be done this way |
| 21:24.35 | DawnLight | wizard_: s/from/at/ |
| 21:24.37 | wizard_ | DawnLight: idea where to check that? |
| 21:24.52 | lyakh | ok, if anyone of those who helped me are still there and might be interested, got a solution to not booting amd64: |
| 21:25.02 | lyakh | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/cddvd-not-found-584582/page2.html |
| 21:25.09 | lyakh | and there: |
| 21:25.19 | DawnLight | wizard_: my guess would ne that same configuration file |
| 21:25.32 | wizard_ | DawnLight: also, netstat -taupn doesnt report it. so even if its bound somewehere else chances are its listed there |
| 21:25.34 | lyakh | use "pci=nommconfig" or switch CONFIG_PCI_MMCONFIG off |
| 21:25.35 | wizard_ | but nada |
| 21:25.50 | Roman123 | DawnLight: the advantage of an official cert is that it is, in general, already included as trusted cert in commonly used clients. |
| 21:25.51 | lyakh | maybe amd64 kernel will want to disable it... |
| 21:26.02 | DawnLight | wizard_: is the process even running? |
| 21:26.12 | Roman123 | DawnLight: so, you don't have to do anything on the client side. |
| 21:26.15 | wizard_ | yes. tomcat is running splendidly on 8080 |
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| 21:27.14 | DawnLight | Roman123: i hope i won't have to ever trust those big fat oily CA corporations |
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| 21:28.30 | abrotman | better than antichrist i suppose |
| 21:28.34 | Roman123 | DawnLight: For example, on my mailserver I have a certificate which was singed by comodo. It is trusted by more than 99% of all commonly used browsers and also by a lot of MUAs. |
| 21:28.36 | DawnLight | ... and has some grudge against authority |
| 21:28.52 | Authority | people always hatin' on me |
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| 21:29.08 | kombi | can you ping a range of ips with ping? |
| 21:29.09 | \amethyst | DawnLight: if you use a web browser with SSL, you trust those big fat oily CA corporations |
| 21:29.14 | DawnLight | Authority: oh i'm so sorry. i didn't mean |
| 21:29.24 | Authority | DawnLight: I know, i'm just teasin' |
| 21:29.32 | kombi | there was some way to do that but I can't remember how.. |
| 21:29.32 | \amethyst | DawnLight: unless you've gone to some effort to remove their certificates |
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| 21:30.29 | Roman123 | DawnLight: which browser do you use? |
| 21:30.39 | Roman123 | hopefully not IE :-P |
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| 21:31.05 | DawnLight | Roman123: konqueror and iceweasel and some elinks |
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| 21:32.05 | Roman123 | DawnLight: I guess konqueror uses almost the same trusted certs as mozilla. |
| 21:32.08 | itrebal | do any fixes exist for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 ? are they migrated into an apt-get'able packages? any information on this at all would be great |
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| 21:32.40 | abrotman | itrebal: yes .. why haven't you upgraded your kernel yet? |
| 21:32.48 | acutedeath | will crazy stuff happen if I try to use a kernel version specified "unstable" with my "stable" system? seems like a dumb question... but I can't seem to find out elsewhere |
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| 21:32.59 | itrebal | abrotman: I couldn't get a KVMoIP on it until just now |
| 21:33.00 | abrotman | acutedeath: yeah .. it might not work |
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| 21:33.11 | abrotman | itrebal: your kernel is very out of date |
| 21:33.19 | DawnLight | Roman123: marking ca-certificates for removal suggests 30 removals. i smell a conspiracy |
| 21:33.51 | acutedeath | abrotman: so, I should upgrade my entire system to facilitate success? |
| 21:33.54 | \amethyst | DawnLight: It's a shadowy international group called PKI |
| 21:33.56 | `y7 | is there a site that has a list of debian extensions for different file types so I can learn whether it's a text file or a zip file, etc? |
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| 21:34.21 | abrotman | acutedeath: uh .. i didn't say anything like that |
| 21:34.21 | itrebal | abrotman: that may be, but 1) its a server, 2) I'm trying to resolve it now, and apt-get update/upgrade didn't do anything with a kernel |
| 21:34.29 | acutedeath | heh |
| 21:34.42 | ampex | I am trying to back my systems up in a way by which I could restore them with nothing but the backup files and a linux live CD. Do I need to backup /sys or /proc ? |
| 21:34.45 | `y7 | abrotman, sorry about my time script, i disabled it for freenode.org |
| 21:34.46 | huhlig | arrrrrgh |
| 21:34.51 | \amethyst | `y7: /etc/mime.types |
| 21:34.55 | `y7 | ty |
| 21:35.04 | \amethyst | `y7: there's also the program 'file', which does more than just look at the extension |
| 21:35.08 | abrotman | itrebal: aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:35.10 | huhlig | why does the d-i keep freezing kinda randomly |
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| 21:35.14 | itrebal | alright, thanks |
| 21:35.33 | \amethyst | `y7: file foo looks at the contents of the file 'foo' to determine what type of file it is |
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| 21:35.46 | acutedeath | abrotman: Let me try again. Is there a danger of incompatibility with my other stuff if I use components that aren't from "stable"? |
| 21:35.50 | Tramp | DawnLight: feel free to disable all CA certificates in your browser's preferences |
| 21:36.05 | jome | abrotman: I survived kernel recompilation! :D |
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| 21:36.24 | huhlig | this time it froze while installing base system |
| 21:36.41 | abrotman | acutedeath: yes |
| 21:36.49 | abrotman | acutedeath: why are you doing this? |
| 21:37.50 | huhlig | anyone willing to help? |
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| 21:38.35 | acutedeath | abrotman: My wireless drivers in development. i can't get the stable ones to work. The latest version of them requires kernel 2.6.24-rc1. I finally got my internet-connection-sharing through this windows box to work. It's possible that I'm operating at dangerous levels of excitement(/caffiene) |
| 21:38.47 | abrotman | acutedeath: what is your wifi ? |
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| 21:39.20 | acutedeath | linksys wmp54g. I'm using rt2x00 drivers for rt61pci chipset. |
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| 21:39.27 | acutedeath | (ralink) |
| 21:40.01 | reed[] | debconf's whole input/output protocol is kind of bizarre, don't you think |
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| 21:41.41 | reed[] | I figured out my problem by the way, one of my scripts was echoing some message, and confmodule was sending that as input to debconf. (even though it has some code that is supposed to fix this by redirecting stdout to stderr, it doesn't seem to actually work) |
| 21:41.55 | abrotman | acutedeath: i thought those drivers were in etch ? |
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| 21:42.44 | `y7 | i opened a file with joe and all the font is green. is there a way i can change it to black? |
| 21:42.45 | reed[] | It took adding set -x and hacking /usr/local/debconf/frontend to find out exactly what was going on... |
| 21:42.57 | abrotman | usrlocal ? |
| 21:43.03 | acutedeath | They are. I can't figure out why I can't get them configured properly. That's why I feel like I should try a newer version. I've tried to get help with my config, but people get too bored to help. |
| 21:43.37 | abrotman | !rt2x00 |
| 21:43.37 | dpkg | The rt2x00 project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source'. Read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. |
| 21:43.39 | DawnLight | Tramp: Roman123 : after a painful mouse clicking session my browsers are once again loyal to _me_. why should i trust that long list of evil corporations |
| 21:43.41 | abrotman | did you read the README ? |
| 21:44.10 | acutedeath | Only as far as the late kernel requirement |
| 21:44.20 | abrotman | that's nto what it should say in etch |
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| 21:44.28 | abrotman | !info rt2x00-source etch |
| 21:44.33 | dpkg | rt2x00-source: (RT2x00 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 0cvs20060928-1 (etch), Packaged size: 298 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
| 21:44.34 | acutedeath | oh, then I guess you got me there :) |
| 21:44.40 | DawnLight | acutedeath: might require a "firmware" file from the manufacturer's website |
| 21:44.49 | abrotman | that's why he should read the README |
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| 21:45.06 | acutedeath | I did the firmware upgrade, but I obtained the package through debian means |
| 21:45.16 | acutedeath | i.e. packages.debian.org |
| 21:45.26 | DawnLight | abrotman: he should |
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| 21:45.46 | acutedeath | ok, ok, on it. Thanks |
| 21:45.50 | DawnLight | acutedeath: do you have anything in /var/firmware? i think that's where it should be |
| 21:45.55 | abrotman | acutedeath: m-a a-i rt2x00 |
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| 21:46.24 | reZo | hello, i just `export GTK_NO_MAC_MENU`, logged out and now i'm logging in, but it's not working. What might be wrong? |
| 21:46.54 | acutedeath | abrotman: hmm. I did m-a a-i rt2x00-source, but not what you just said. Should I try it with the non-source? |
| 21:46.54 | abrotman | you logged out |
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| 21:47.06 | abrotman | acutedeath: yes |
| 21:47.18 | acutedeath | well snap |
| 21:47.27 | abrotman | buttons? |
| 21:47.39 | reZo | abrotman? |
| 21:47.53 | DawnLight | reZo? |
| 21:47.56 | abrotman | the export only stays as long as your session is active |
| 21:48.15 | reZo | oh, i see |
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| 21:48.24 | reZo | then my system should be working perfect |
| 21:48.30 | reZo | i wonder why it's not logging in :S |
| 21:48.30 | rootborn | how can I see timing of my RAM ? |
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| 21:48.54 | reZo | abrotman: were will the best place to add it be? |
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| 21:49.02 | abrotman | system wide or just for you ? |
| 21:49.08 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 21:49.09 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 21:49.19 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 21:49.27 | Ace2016 | can someone help with encrypted hard drives |
| 21:49.41 | reZo | okay how odd, my system is loading now, okay loaded. |
| 21:49.51 | reZo | that was damn annoying logging in and nothing loading. |
| 21:49.53 | Ace2016 | my 300GB disk shows up as 209GB after encryption, no data is even on it, anyone know why??? |
| 21:49.58 | reZo | it's back to normal |
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| 21:51.18 | reZo | were is the best place to add a `export`? |
| 21:51.39 | Ace2016 | anyone know why cpu is so high durying copying??? |
| 21:51.45 | Ace2016 | 100% |
| 21:52.26 | Ace2016 | thats more than videos + virtualbox xp + opera and inkscape put together |
| 21:52.34 | acutedeath | abrotman: I did to m-a a-i rt2x00, but it said it was skipping everything / already built up-to-date, etc. remove and inserted via modprobe anyway, no change |
| 21:52.34 | Ace2016 | also ram usage is huge |
| 21:53.40 | acutedeath | abrotman: btw, is there any reason/way to set the netmask? |
| 21:53.44 | Ace2016 | i want encryption but common, why such huge cpu usage? |
| 21:53.50 | Ace2016 | not my long password is it?? |
| 21:54.49 | Ace2016 | its a song typed on the keyboard with the middle row as the normal keys, upper keys as sharps, and lower keys as flats, didn't want to completely leave out a row |
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| 21:55.13 | abrotman | acutedeath: read the README .. and man 5 interfaces |
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| 21:55.20 | acutedeath | k |
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| 21:59.45 | sh | Hi guys. ps ax shows some postgresql processes. I want to kill exactly one of them, i.e. the process with the identifier "postgres -D /home/sh/src-out/postgresql-8.3.0/data/". How the fuck can I get his PID using pidof? |
| 22:01.05 | abrotman | ps aux | grep src-out ? |
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| 22:01.11 | abrotman | oh .. uh |
| 22:01.32 | abrotman | i don't think you can .. pidof will give you all postgres instances IIRC |
| 22:02.05 | sh | abrotman: This is exactly my problem. |
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| 22:02.32 | sh | pidof postgresql gives me all postgresql processes, but pidof 'postgresql -D' does not return anything :-( |
| 22:02.33 | mojo-jojo | How many houres to crack an lusk harddrive with 30+ keys in password? |
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| 22:02.52 | \amethyst | sh: pgrep -f /home/sh/src-out/postgresql-8.3.0/data/ |
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| 22:03.26 | mojo-jojo | Is it safe enough for me? |
| 22:03.50 | mojo-jojo | # cryptsetup --verbose --verify-passphrase -c aes-cbc-plain luksFormat /dev/sda2 |
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| 22:03.56 | mojo-jojo | that is the type... |
| 22:03.56 | itrebal | abrotman: all working, thanks for the help |
| 22:04.05 | sh | \amethyst: You are the man! Thanks a lot. I *hate* pidof :-) |
| 22:06.05 | sh | Thanks a lot again. Have a nice evening. |
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| 22:06.52 | huhlig | ok, what in installing the base system would cause the bloody installer to freeze at a different point every single bloody install |
| 22:07.14 | Justin | huhlig: bad memory |
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| 22:07.22 | huhlig | Justin, on a VM? |
| 22:07.35 | Justin | huhlig: what kind of VM? |
| 22:07.54 | huhlig | VMWare 6.0.2 |
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| 22:08.06 | Justin | huhlig: odd, try running memtest :) |
| 22:08.28 | huhlig | ok |
| 22:08.41 | huhlig | odd part is the HDD is still "chugging" |
| 22:08.53 | Justin | huhlig: hmm, can you switch to an alternate console? |
| 22:08.57 | huhlig | yep |
| 22:08.58 | Justin | huhlig: you should be able to get a shell on tty2 or 3 |
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| 22:09.03 | huhlig | the installer is crashingg |
| 22:09.06 | huhlig | not linux |
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| 22:09.17 | Justin | huhlig: ahh, does the log contain anything useful? dmesg maybe? |
| 22:09.25 | leonardo | hi all, i installed xfce |
| 22:09.26 | huhlig | dmesg contains nothing pertinant |
| 22:09.29 | leonardo | how to run this |
| 22:09.41 | huhlig | is there an installer log? |
| 22:09.48 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | oh .. wrong log |
| 22:10.04 | huhlig | abrotman, ?? |
| 22:10.10 | Justin | huhlig: did you get up to 'installing the base system' ? |
| 22:10.15 | huhlig | yes |
| 22:10.20 | abrotman | huhlig: alt-f2 shows you more verbosely what is going on |
| 22:10.21 | huhlig | just started it |
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| 22:10.27 | Justin | huhlig: ok. there should be a debootstrap log on the /target filesytem |
| 22:10.44 | huhlig | ok |
| 22:10.59 | Justin | huhlig: in /var/log somewhere I think |
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| 22:11.33 | huhlig | catting dpkg.log |
| 22:11.40 | frankr | does anyone know of a cmd that can display the samplerate of an mp3 file that'd be easy to parse |
| 22:11.43 | Justin | huhlig: you have a /target/var/log/installer/ ? |
| 22:11.47 | frankr | perhaps something with mplayer |
| 22:11.53 | Justin | frankr: mplayer -identify? |
| 22:11.55 | huhlig | no |
| 22:12.02 | huhlig | Justin, no installer dir |
| 22:12.15 | Justin | huhlig: oh, maybe it coppies /var/log to /target/var/log when the install is done |
| 22:12.26 | Justin | i've never had problems with the installer :( |
| 22:12.31 | huhlig | nope |
| 22:12.34 | frankr | almost, except it still plays the file |
| 22:12.43 | frankr | but it does give the sample rate |
| 22:13.05 | Justin | frankr: oh, that is a way to prevent that somehow |
| 22:13.15 | huhlig | ok, I think I am going to shoot something |
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| 22:13.28 | huhlig | its still "installing gcc base" |
| 22:13.35 | huhlig | but the log shows it kept going |
| 22:13.36 | Justin | huhlig: does ps have any clues? is something odd running? |
| 22:13.43 | Justin | huhlig: weird |
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| 22:14.16 | huhlig | wth would ncurses stop updating |
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| 22:14.53 | Justin | huhlig: you didn't hit control S did you? |
| 22:15.02 | huhlig | no |
| 22:15.06 | Justin | huhlig: does control q do anything? |
| 22:15.08 | huhlig | Ive been trying this on 6 installs |
| 22:15.21 | huhlig | nope |
| 22:15.42 | huhlig | [debootstrap] and [pdflush] |
| 22:15.50 | huhlig | debootstrap is zombied |
| 22:16.07 | huhlig | and alot of stuff is SW |
| 22:16.21 | Justin | huhlig: if debootstrap had really stopped it wouldn't still be installing packages |
| 22:16.39 | huhlig | it got to tasksel |
| 22:17.06 | huhlig | then stopped |
| 22:17.21 | johndoevodka | is there a way to see how much stack memory a program uses? |
| 22:17.51 | Justin | huhlig: wierd, you should be able to kill the installer and resume where it left off |
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| 22:18.03 | Justin | huhlig: or if that even fails reboot and start the installer in expert mode and do the same thing |
| 22:18.20 | huhlig | I am in expert |
| 22:18.27 | huhlig | after my 5th try I did |
| 22:18.51 | Justin | huhlig: ah, well if you think the base system installled ok, you can just skip to the next step |
| 22:19.29 | frankr | if I've got some prog output of two lines, what can I pipe it through to only get the first line |
| 22:19.36 | Justin | frankr: head |
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| 22:20.32 | frankr | thanks a bunch, man |
| 22:20.40 | mojo-jojo | Is really luks unrecoverabole? Even with nsa and an super computer? |
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| 22:21.00 | mojo-jojo | if it has an 30+ signs passphrase... |
| 22:23.04 | Justin | huhlig: something must be really wrong thoughh, you're running the etch installer? |
| 22:23.27 | huhlig | lenny |
| 22:23.31 | Justin | huhlig: OH!! |
| 22:23.34 | Justin | huhlig: don't do that |
| 22:23.34 | huhlig | Debian Testing |
| 22:23.48 | Justin | huhlig: install etch base system, upgrade immediately to lenny, install the rest |
| 22:23.51 | huhlig | ok |
| 22:23.54 | Schiz0 | Why? |
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| 22:23.59 | Schiz0 | I install lenny fro mthe net installer just fine. |
| 22:24.08 | Justin | testing installer is not guaranteed to work |
| 22:24.14 | Schiz0 | ah |
| 22:24.27 | Schiz0 | it's worked for me for the past 3 years *shrugs* |
| 22:24.29 | Justin | could be broken, who knows.. the etch installer is pretty well tested |
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| 22:24.40 | huhlig | ok |
| 22:24.51 | huhlig | last two VPS's I upgraded to lenny on hosed themselves |
| 22:26.36 | huhlig | downloading now |
| 22:27.03 | Justin | huhlig: it's easiest if you only install the minimal system first, that way you don't have to install big packages twice |
| 22:27.19 | Justin | the last few systems I've installed debian on took longer to POST than it did to install :) |
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| 22:30.09 | Greek-Boy | what wrong with this command? why wont it work? setuidgid syncdns rsync --port=222 -tav -e ssh /etc/tinydns/root/data.cdb syncdns@5.6.7.8:/etc/tinydns/root/data.cdb |
| 22:30.13 | Greek-Boy | it still tries port 22 :( |
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| 22:30.44 | Justin | Greek-Boy: it's rsync -e ssh -p 222 |
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| 22:30.52 | Justin | Greek-Boy: though you should just setup ~/.ssh/config with the port information |
| 22:31.09 | \amethyst | isn't that -e 'ssh -p 222' ? |
| 22:31.14 | Justin | er, yeah :) |
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| 22:31.25 | Justin | ~/.ssh/config is much easier :) |
| 22:31.26 | apt | okay, Justin |
| 22:31.28 | Justin | and you only have to do it once |
| 22:31.31 | \amethyst | Greek-Boy: --port is only for rsync daemons, not ssh |
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| 22:34.29 | Greek-Boy | Justin but i dont always use port 222 |
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| 22:35.33 | Greek-Boy | should I still edit ~/.ssh/config in that case? |
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| 22:36.09 | NyB__ | hi, I have a friend with debian v4.0... he wanted to enable remote logging and added -r in the SYSLOGD variable in /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 22:36.22 | adinc | does someone know if there is an alternatif to push mail service like blackberry for linux and common mobile phones? |
| 22:36.24 | NyB__ | yet the script won't launch syslogd with -r... |
| 22:36.49 | NyB__ | I am not a debian user, so any ideas would be welcome... |
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| 22:37.57 | Bushmills | NyB__: I have remote logging enabled here. but I only modified /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 22:40.02 | Bushmills | ooh, wrong, also /etc/default/syslogd |
| 22:40.03 | Tramp | NyB__: /etc/default/syslogd is the right place to enable remote log reception |
| 22:40.52 | NyB__ | test ! -r /etc/default/syslogd || . /etc/default/syslogd |
| 22:41.03 | NyB__ | Tramp, thanks... dunno how I missed that... |
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| 22:42.01 | Tramp | NyB__: for /sending/ to a remote host, the syslog.conf has to be adapted accordingly (see manpage) |
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| 22:42.32 | NyB__ | Tramp, I know.. I've set this up in my own machines... |
| 22:42.45 | NyB__ | but those are not debian... |
| 22:42.52 | NyB__ | the flavour is a bit different :-p |
| 22:42.58 | NyB__ | yet the same... |
| 22:43.09 | NyB__ | yep, it works.. thanks! |
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| 22:52.16 | huhlig | ok, I guess something is broken in Lenny |
| 22:52.18 | huhlig | shesh |
| 22:52.34 | streuner | look at the bts |
| 22:52.44 | huhlig | bts? |
| 22:52.49 | huhlig | for di? |
| 22:52.52 | huhlig | err d-i |
| 22:52.58 | streuner | no |
| 22:53.06 | huhlig | d-i is whats broken |
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| 22:53.28 | streuner | devel d-i's sometimes broken, true |
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| 22:53.46 | huhlig | current one hangs durin base install |
| 22:53.52 | huhlig | on vmware |
| 22:54.14 | streuner | just ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) about |
| 22:55.14 | streuner | or just use stable/etch d-i |
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| 22:55.46 | huhlig | oftc? |
| 22:56.00 | streuner | !oftc |
| 22:56.01 | dpkg | [oftc] the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 22:56.14 | huhlig | ahh |
| 22:56.41 | mojo-jojo | Is there a channel about lusk? |
| 22:56.53 | dkr | that factoid should probably mention that irc.debian.org directs to oftc and not freenode |
| 22:57.12 | streuner | dkr: feel free to edit it |
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| 22:57.25 | mojo-jojo | Is this oftc? |
| 22:57.28 | dkr | no |
| 22:57.40 | mojo-jojo | I'm on irc.kde.org |
| 22:57.45 | mojo-jojo | that is freenode |
| 22:57.51 | dkr | correct |
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| 22:58.42 | mojo-jojo | dkr: How many days would someone use to crack my 30+ password for my lusk drive? |
| 22:59.11 | Schiz0 | mojo-jojo: Do it yourself and find out. I have no idea, and I doubt anyone else in here does. |
| 22:59.28 | Justin | mojo-jojo: I think if that sort of thing is working as expected it works out to more like how many years |
| 22:59.32 | dkr | mojo-jojo: that depends on whether "someone" is the nsa, or your girlfriend |
| 22:59.36 | dkr | ;) |
| 22:59.46 | mojo-jojo | dkr: Nsa |
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| 23:00.10 | mojo-jojo | dkr: Tell me for both... |
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| 23:00.22 | dkr | I don't really know. I just know there is a difference. heh |
| 23:00.36 | bush | not enough time for you to jump a flight to a non-extradition country |
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| 23:00.50 | mojo-jojo | bush: Sure? |
| 23:01.00 | dkr | especially since I don't know what encryption method or keysize you used |
| 23:01.29 | DawnLight | hello. i want to make cron run getmail and i must to avoid a situation where getmail is run while the previous process is still downloading messages. so i guess this requires a script that checks whether getmail is running or not. what is a solid way to do this kind of check? |
| 23:01.35 | huhlig | ok, seems there is no irc server at irc.oftc.net |
| 23:01.46 | dkr | lepton: more like ngrep than monitoring :) |
| 23:01.51 | mojo-jojo | If I nuke the us and a, then the norwegian police would be able to force me to tell the encryption password, and they have to let me out after 21 years nomather what. I love this country. |
| 23:01.56 | streuner | huhlig: just use irc.debian.org :-) |
| 23:02.30 | dkr | huhlig: try harder. lots of us are there. :) |
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| 23:03.32 | mojo-jojo | would not be |
| 23:03.52 | dcnoye | where do i find my pgp key on my debian box ? |
| 23:03.56 | dkr | streuner: found other factoids which obviate the need to modify that one :) |
| 23:04.14 | dkr | !oftc move |
| 23:04.14 | DawnLight | mojo-jojo: don't nuke it. bad karma |
| 23:04.14 | dpkg | well, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 23:04.24 | huhlig_ | ok |
| 23:04.26 | huhlig_ | wth |
| 23:04.31 | huhlig_ | even etch installer fails |
| 23:04.56 | DawnLight | huhlig_: etch installer fails?? |
| 23:05.00 | huhlig_ | yes |
| 23:05.02 | streuner | hm, ask vmware then :-) |
| 23:05.08 | huhlig_ | hmm |
| 23:05.17 | DawnLight | huhlig_: what hardware? |
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| 23:05.23 | huhlig_ | DawnLight, vmware 6 |
| 23:05.33 | DawnLight | huhlig_: ah... bummer |
| 23:05.47 | huhlig_ | I mean, its fake hardware |
| 23:05.50 | huhlig_ | it should work |
| 23:06.02 | Justin | huhlig_: not if your real hardware is broken :) |
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| 23:06.54 | ferret_0767 | (%:~/CLUTTER)- apt-cache search TI\ calc |
| 23:06.56 | ferret_0767 | libticalcs4 - provides functions to communicate with TI calculators |
| 23:07.01 | DawnLight | huhlig_: use os level emulation if you want to be running a linux there |
| 23:07.06 | ferret_0767 | tilp - TI calculator <-> PC communication program for X |
| 23:07.07 | ferret_0767 | wow |
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| 23:07.30 | ferret_0767 | that is cool! |
| 23:07.42 | ferret_0767 | I'l |
| 23:07.46 | huhlig_ | Justin, I installed linux on my real hardware already |
| 23:07.52 | mojo-jojo | DawnLight: I need to know |
| 23:07.55 | Justin | huhlig_: :-/ |
| 23:07.57 | mojo-jojo | is my encryptio |
| 23:08.01 | mojo-jojo | n safe? |
| 23:08.05 | ferret_0767 | I'll have to install that for my Texas Instruments TI-83 Plus |
| 23:08.21 | huhlig_ | this time it crashed scanning the mirrot |
| 23:08.21 | huhlig_ | mirror |
| 23:08.24 | ferret_0767 | also, if you have a TI calculator, try installing z88dk |
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| 23:09.51 | Schiz0 | ferret_0567_: Just run NetBSD on it. |
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| 23:10.24 | ferret_0567_ | Schiz0: they have that for a TI calculator?!?!?! |
| 23:10.36 | maelstrom | "iceweasel". *rolls eyes* |
| 23:10.52 | Schiz0 | ferret_0567_: Huh? NetBSD is an operating system that runs on everything ever. I read an articel about some guy who got it running on a toaster, literally. |
| 23:10.58 | huhlig_ | now it died on starting the partitioner |
| 23:10.59 | Schiz0 | I'm sure it runs on a IT calc. |
| 23:11.01 | huhlig_ | WTH?! |
| 23:11.07 | ferret_0567_ | Schiz0: don't be so sure |
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| 23:11.18 | Schiz0 | ferret_0567_: The TI calc has a processer and RAM, doesn't it? |
| 23:11.20 | kgoetz | Schiz0: for values of toaster involving ICs and a CPU yeah |
| 23:11.32 | Schiz0 | kgoetz: ;D |
| 23:11.37 | kgoetz | :) |
| 23:12.02 | ferret_0567_ | Schiz0: yes, a TI-83 Plus Zilog Z80 at 4, 6, or 8MHz (can't remember which) and 4 or 8KB of RAM |
| 23:12.42 | ferret_0567_ | Schiz0: can NetBSD run on THAT kind of hardwore? |
| 23:12.43 | ferret_0567_ | hardware |
| 23:13.38 | huhlig_ | ferret, they got it running on a toaster |
| 23:13.43 | kgoetz | netbsd runs on vax |
| 23:13.43 | huhlig_ | I bet they probobly could |
| 23:13.52 | kgoetz | huhlig_: it wasnt a strait toaster though. |
| 23:13.59 | huhlig_ | kgoetz, I am aware |
| 23:14.04 | ferret_0567_ | huhlig_: a toaster with what in it? |
| 23:14.16 | huhlig_ | embedded microcomputer |
| 23:14.16 | Schiz0 | Probably a LCD screen and a input device |
| 23:14.21 | kgoetz | i can mount a pcb on a wall and say 'oh look, i have netbsd running onmy wall' |
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| 23:15.07 | ferret_0567_ | kgoetz: will it have SSH, a nice Ethernet controller, and a USB keyboard :)? |
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| 23:15.18 | ferret_0567_ | kgoetz: wow |
| 23:15.20 | ferret_0567_ | I want one |
| 23:15.31 | huhlig_ | ok, why cant I get to oftc |
| 23:15.35 | huhlig_ | are they out of comission |
| 23:15.41 | ferret_0567_ | especially the new TI nCAD's |
| 23:15.53 | ferret_0567_ | they have a ARM processor running at 200MHz [!!!] |
| 23:16.16 | ferret_0567_ | they have to have at least 16MB RAM |
| 23:16.25 | ferret_0567_ | that would blow me away |
| 23:16.31 | kgoetz | huhlig_: i'm connected (if it helps) |
| 23:16.37 | _ergo_ | is there some specific channel dedicated to debian and apache problems ? |
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| 23:17.20 | ferret_0567_ | of course, they have USB integrated :). Just get a nice mini-USB to regular USB adapter, and plug a USB hub in with a sound card and a NIC |
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| 23:17.34 | huhlig_ | it tells me unknown host |
| 23:17.41 | huhlig_ | brb |
| 23:17.43 | kgoetz | _ergo_: no, theres #debian and #apache though |
| 23:17.50 | ferret_0567_ | kgoetz: do you see "WOW" possibilities for that calculator? |
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| 23:18.03 | ferret_0567_ | I would gladly develop an OS for that thing |
| 23:18.03 | kgoetz | ferret_0567_: *grin* |
| 23:18.10 | kgoetz | huhlig: its irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:18.40 | aeolist | !downgrade |
| 23:18.40 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 23:19.04 | aeolist | !downgrade unstable testing |
| 23:19.12 | huhlig | kgoetz, I know |
| 23:19.16 | _ergo_ | heh i fixed my apapche problem :] |
| 23:19.17 | huhlig | I can ping but I cannot connect |
| 23:20.36 | kgoetz | huhlig: whats your error? :/ |
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| 23:20.55 | huhlig | finally |
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| 23:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, is there no option to find that excludes paths that contain a certain pattern? Searching for datafiles on a broken NTFS drive and "Temporary Internet Files" is not what I need |
| 23:23.15 | kgoetz | there is one yes |
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| 23:23.47 | aeolist | in order to downgrade to testing from unstable, does changing my sources.list, adding /etc/apt/preferences (from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/preferences.testing) and aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade suffice? |
| 23:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz: oh, I see - I can probably just do "-not -regex pattern"? |
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| 23:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz: searched for the wrong stings in the manpages all the time, it seems :) |
| 23:25.03 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont recall what it is, but i know you can exclude paths |
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| 23:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz: indeed - it's a simple "-not"... I was always looking for a tar-like option like --exclude-path or so |
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| 23:29.27 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: thats what i'd have looked for too. well found :) |
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| 23:30.54 | aeolist | right, so i guess there is no "official" way to get from unstable to testing |
| 23:31.48 | kgoetz | aeolist: wait ~ 6 months, change your sources.list and hope |
| 23:31.57 | kgoetz | (wait without updating) |
| 23:32.04 | aeolist | yeah, thought about that |
| 23:32.32 | aeolist | wow, unstable is like those machines at the gym, the thing keeps rolling even if you are tired of running |
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| 23:36.32 | `y7 | is there any way to search for the word "color" in one of my manuals? |
| 23:36.41 | `y7 | inside of a terminal^ |
| 23:36.42 | kgoetz | `y7: grep |
| 23:36.58 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.05 | `y7 | i thought grep was just used to search for files/directories...? grep will actually search inside of files? |
| 23:37.13 | aeolist | yes |
| 23:37.20 | `y7 | ok, ty |
| 23:37.21 | kgoetz | you should use find to find files/directories |
| 23:37.23 | aeolist | welcome to unixland |
| 23:37.35 | `y7 | =) |
| 23:37.45 | aeolist | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.57 | kgoetz | :) |
| 23:38.00 | `y7 | i'm trying to make the jump, unfortunately it's a long one ;\ |
| 23:38.04 | dkr | `y7: find is for finding files |
| 23:38.36 | dkr | kgoetz: I should read the whole buffer before commenting :) |
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| 23:39.05 | kgoetz | dkr: hehe. yes, you should :p |
| 23:39.07 | `y7 | so do i need to exit out of the man to type the grep cmd in, or can i do grep while i'm in the man? |
| 23:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | kgoetz: hehe "wait 6 month, and hope" sounds indeed pretty official :) |
| 23:39.34 | Xenguy | `y7: Ctrl-Z will suspend the man page |
| 23:39.51 | Xenguy | `y7: but not sure I fully understand actually |
| 23:40.01 | kgoetz | `y7: are you trying to find something in the man page? use then use / |
| 23:40.09 | kgoetz | CutMeOwnThroat: *grin* |
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| 23:40.26 | `y7 | Xenguy ok, if the manual is 2000 words and i want to simply search for "color" instead of reading through the entire manual for it. |
| 23:40.28 | petemc | `y7: when in the man page, type /color |
| 23:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | aeolist: just change your sources.list ... if single packages are broken, you can still update them to newer ones from unstable - everythin else resolves itself over time (or: hopefully so) |
| 23:40.36 | `y7 | petemc, ok |
| 23:40.41 | Xenguy | `y7: what kgoetz said |
| 23:40.49 | aeolist | yeah, ok |
| 23:41.07 | `y7 | ah, /color worked beautifully :) |
| 23:41.35 | Xenguy | `y7: n <-- repeats the search forward; N <-- repeats the search backwards |
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| 23:41.54 | Xenguy | `y7: (for 'next') |
| 23:42.00 | dkr | or ?pattern to search backwards |
| 23:42.01 | `y7 | ok |
| 23:42.04 | dkr | less rocks |
| 23:42.12 | Xenguy | dkr: less is more! :-) |
| 23:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | aeolist: of course what you are doing is mixing repositories which is evil(TM), but overall (with a little care) it worked better for me than updating all the time from unstable |
| 23:42.54 | `y7 | so in the manual for joe, it doesn't have "color" anywhere, yet when i pull up a confige file for rtorrent, the font is all green. so is there another name for color in linux or am I just doing it wrong ? |
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| 23:43.24 | dkr | `y7: syntax highlighting |
| 23:43.25 | aeolist | CutMeOwnThroat: my alternative is formating, why atm is very evil (TM) |
| 23:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy: no! more is less! |
| 23:43.35 | `y7 | ty |
| 23:43.39 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: no no no :P |
| 23:43.42 | aeolist | you do know that most ppl are forced to mix repos one time or another in their life |
| 23:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy: because less is actually more than more, so more must be less than less! |
| 23:44.01 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.08 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: more or less ;-) |
| 23:44.31 | Xenguy | Bushmills: oooo, do you use most? |
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| 23:44.55 | sier | I don't understand whats happening.. I installed java.. java " is working" , but I cannot find the "plugins" folder , to cp the lib .so file to the firefox plugins folder and get java working |
| 23:45.32 | Bushmills | Xenguy: actually, I don't mostly less, hardly more. |
| 23:45.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mostXeha, most is nice, but less has always been good enough for me (except when it calculates line numbers for binary files) |
| 23:46.13 | chandor | sier: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ |
| 23:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/mostXeha/Xenguy/ |
| 23:46.15 | Xenguy | Bushmills: most looks good actually, but I never bothered changing from less |
| 23:46.23 | dkr | sier: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ ? hrm, but this should be done for you |
| 23:46.33 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, exactly my POV |
| 23:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess most is better... |
| 23:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but less doesn't suck enough to make me change |
| 23:47.03 | Xenguy | yep :-) |
| 23:47.21 | Bushmills | same here. looks more powerful indeed. but for that bit of buffered reading I find less completely adequate. |
| 23:47.24 | dkr | sier: install the -plugin package for whichever jvm you are usung with aptitude. e.g. sun-java5-plugin |
| 23:48.09 | Bushmills | but it comes down to less more, but more most or less |
| 23:48.30 | Bushmills | mostly less, thus |
| 23:48.35 | Xenguy | hehe |
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| 23:50.04 | dkr | it always slightly amused me on redhat systems that I had to to often run the command: less security glad that debian uses different log names :) |
| 23:50.22 | sier | dkr, sorry, I went to the bathroom |
| 23:50.37 | sier | but I manually installed java, will it affect it? when I apt-get install ..? |
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| 23:50.49 | dkr | sier: what java package did you install? likeley there is a-plugon version of the same package |
| 23:50.52 | dkr | oh |
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| 23:50.54 | pablo | hi, how do i add someone to a group? |
| 23:51.26 | dkr | sier: yeah,you should link the plugin manually if you installed javamanually then |
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| 23:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr: "less messages" is just a wish, though |
| 23:51.37 | sier | dkr, jdk1.6.0_04 .. |
| 23:51.39 | dkr | pablo: man gpasswd |
| 23:51.53 | sier | so I should installed the plugin w/ apt-get and manually link it? sounds good |
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| 23:53.20 | dkr | sier: your manual install of the jdk should already include the plugin, you just have to symlink that to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so |
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| 23:53.53 | dkr | it should be called libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 23:53.54 | sier | dkr, no.. There's no plugin folder in the JAVA Folder.. thats my question.. what should I do.. I installed jdk, but theres not plugin folder there |
| 23:53.59 | sier | maybe because I installed the 64 version? |
| 23:54.13 | sier | I already find / -iname libjavaplugin_oji.so , no results |
| 23:57.24 | dkr | weird, I thought jdk included everything jre had. I haven't compiled from source in along time though. the problem with installing . oh,here we go |
| 23:57.25 | dkr | http://wiki.debian.org/SunJava |
| 23:57.45 | dkr | sin java 6 is in backports for etch,so you can install that way. much easier |
| 23:57.48 | dkr | sun |
| 23:58.04 | sier | what should I do to my current install? |
| 23:58.08 | sier | rm -rf folder ? |
| 23:58.29 | sier | I want to make sure I'll remove it the right way |
| 23:58.46 | Nyle | mmm |
| 23:58.56 | Nyle | nice 3 hour nap |
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