| 00:00.18 | dkr | likely won't matter if extrq copy around, but can'thurt to remove what was manually installed if you know where that is |
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| 00:00.36 | sier | I do know |
| 00:00.39 | sier | /usr/lib/Java6 :) |
| 00:01.09 | barnum | nyle grats i tried to take one and my g/f came home from work and interrupted it then work started looking for me and its been downhill from there |
| 00:01.09 | kgoetz | bloody obsolete freebsd :@ |
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| 00:02.08 | sier | ls |
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| 00:03.41 | suls | hi guys.. i'm having troubles to install python-matplotlib. it says it needs py2.5 .. how can i tell it to stick to 2.4? |
| 00:03.45 | antum | Hi, I'm not sure how pipes and everything work (on the command line), how do I add "gzip -d <filename>" to this command? mysql -u username -p database < ~/Desktop/mysqldump.sql.gz |
| 00:03.57 | sier | dkr, I tried to installed it.. said: package not found |
| 00:04.15 | dkr | !backports |
| 00:04.16 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 00:08.06 | barnum | ok |
| 00:08.12 | barnum | misfire |
| 00:08.21 | auto359 | hi, i installed pure-ftp on debian etch, how do i identify the ftp path? |
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| 00:09.59 | huhlig | is there a pljava for 8.3? |
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| 00:13.10 | cizzi | can someone tell me what the "pci=nommconf" kernel option does? cant seem to find a clear definition |
| 00:13.24 | Mark20 | Hello, is it possible to get the traffic usage for a eth0:1 separated from eth0:2? |
| 00:13.37 | sier | http://pastebin.com/m30017c1d |
| 00:13.38 | Mark20 | so i can see how much a certain virtual network card did use? |
| 00:13.48 | Mark20 | or (better) on an IP base |
| 00:14.19 | sier | dkr, I installed backports, did the apt-get update , got the ring.. but when I try to install sun-java6-jdk or jre, I get this msg.. my system is amd 64, would it matter? |
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| 00:17.24 | jms | I'm trying to copy a file over a local network from a windows machine. I'm a linux newbie and don't know the command, or the process, can anyone walk me through it? |
| 00:18.20 | auto359 | jms: won't be easy, you could always download winSCP http://winscp.net/ |
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| 00:18.53 | dkr | sier: hrm, http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-jre shows architecture as "all" |
| 00:19.10 | auto359 | acts like a ftp client but with a secure connection *and* lets you transfer files from a linuxFS to a WinFS |
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| 00:19.27 | jms | auto359: hmm... okay. so the easiest option is to burn to a cd? |
| 00:19.38 | dkr | "This package contains architecture independent files." |
| 00:19.49 | auto359 | jms: burn what? |
| 00:19.59 | jms | auto359: can I get winscp with apt-get? |
| 00:20.08 | k-man | is there a live cd of debian? |
| 00:20.15 | auto359 | jms: no |
| 00:20.18 | jms | auto359: burn the file I want to get from my windows machine to the linux machine |
| 00:20.48 | auto359 | sure, you can |
| 00:21.02 | dvs_ | k-man: not yet |
| 00:21.10 | Mark20 | k-man: not standard, but you can use knoppix (based on debian) OR for installation the net install cd |
| 00:21.11 | dkr | jms: you can use winscp or putty to scp the file from the windows machine to your linux machine |
| 00:21.20 | k-man | ok |
| 00:21.20 | auto359 | so long as it is a compatible format with linux, like a .zip, .mp3, etc |
| 00:21.23 | k-man | thanks |
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| 00:21.39 | jms | dkr: I have a putty connection open between the two machines at the moment. how is it done? |
| 00:21.41 | Xenguy | jms: no, but I think there is filezilla and/or gftp for linux |
| 00:21.46 | auto359 | dkr: i think he wants to go the other way |
| 00:21.47 | dkr | jms: or you "share" a folder as usual in windows and mount it on the linux machine |
| 00:22.00 | dkr | auto359: note my use of the word "from" :) |
| 00:22.38 | auto359 | dkr: i did, that wasn't his question => < jms> I'm trying to copy a file over a local network from a windows machine. I'm a linux newbie and don't know the command, or the process, can anyone walk me through it? |
| 00:22.47 | jms | dkr: Okay, which is the easiest. I'm new to linux and kinda need to have my hand held through the process... |
| 00:22.54 | dkr | I don't know. I only use linux. but I know my boss scps files from his windows machine to our linux |
| 00:23.26 | Xenguy | jms: you can d/l 'pscp' from the 'putty' web site to do file transfers on the command-line/DOS box |
| 00:23.35 | dkr | poke around the putty or winscp options for scp'ng files |
| 00:23.57 | jms | auto359: I guess I was a bit unspecific with my question. It can go either way... |
| 00:24.00 | auto359 | jms: if you want to go from a windows machine to a linux machine, you can make a connection using SSH (putty) but if you want to transfer files from a windows machine to a linux one or a linux machine to a windows one ... WinSCP is your best best |
| 00:24.03 | Xenguy | dkr: for sure, either pscp (cli) or winscp (gui) works fine |
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| 00:25.23 | jms | Xenguy: I've downloaded pscp, how do I use it? |
| 00:25.59 | auto359 | open the app, goto Help, read the docs then come back if you still can't do it |
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| 00:26.12 | Xenguy | jms: open a dos box, then do a command-line like: pscp file userid@remotehost:/path/to/target-directory |
| 00:26.18 | Xenguy | jms: or some such |
| 00:27.02 | Xenguy | jms: unless you have configured the 'hostname' on the windows box, you'll likely need to substitute an IP address for 'remotehost' above |
| 00:27.06 | auto359 | he said he was a newb, should have got WinSCP (gui), easy to set up, just like a normal windows ftp client |
| 00:27.08 | eldowan | Xenguy: Lovely, I'm going to have to keep pscp in mind. I'm glad I tuned in right now. I've been wondering if there was a simple scp cli windows app for a while. |
| 00:27.34 | Xenguy | eldowan: great :-) |
| 00:27.49 | Xenguy | auto359: I believe I mentioned both cli and gui options |
| 00:28.20 | auto359 | you did, but he took the cli one and will probably struggle ... |
| 00:28.33 | eldowan | Xenguy: do you know offhand if pscp does remote -> local transfers? |
| 00:28.45 | Xenguy | eldowan: yes that works too |
| 00:29.03 | dkr | eldowan: it would have to if it implements scp protocol :) |
| 00:29.07 | eldowan | sweet. I don't know why I never seen the pscp on the putty page. |
| 00:29.08 | Xenguy | eldowan: e.g. pscp userid@remotehost:/tmp/file . |
| 00:29.23 | eldowan | dkr: yes well, I'm dense. |
| 00:29.50 | jms | I'm going for what seems to logical choice of using winscp :P |
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| 00:30.02 | eldowan | jms: its really easy to use. |
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| 00:30.21 | Xenguy | jms: winscp is quite nice if you prefer GUI's |
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| 00:30.56 | jms | I at least feel as though I have an idea of whats going on... cli confuses the hell out of me :( |
| 00:30.56 | eldowan | this may seem a silly question, but does scp provide for user@remote1:file user@remote2:file ? |
| 00:31.18 | sier | dkr, :( i'm stuck w/ Java |
| 00:31.24 | sier | very hard task.. |
| 00:31.45 | dkr | eldowan: yes |
| 00:31.48 | Xenguy | eldowan: no idea really, but I would doubt it can be done like that without some serious SSH trickery |
| 00:32.21 | jms | I'm so happy, its working perfectly. Thanks for the help guys! |
| 00:32.32 | eldowan | I never seem to cease being amazed by the little gems that are there in front of your face all the time. Thanks. |
| 00:32.53 | Xenguy | jms: :-) |
| 00:33.03 | dkr | Xenguy: that ability is explicitly encoded in argument syntax :) [[user@]host1:]file1 [...] [[user@]host2:]file2 |
| 00:33.29 | Xenguy | dkr: oh really? jeez, learn something new every day - awesome, thanks :-) |
| 00:34.03 | dkr | sier: I'd try it myself,but no 64bit system to test it on |
| 00:34.25 | dkr | seems like it should be an issue but apparently it is. weird |
| 00:34.29 | dkr | shouldn't |
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| 00:35.28 | hdevalence | is there a way to give a list of (installed) packages and have their 'reccomends' installed? |
| 00:36.21 | jms | random question: what is the location of the directory of c header files that match the current kernel? |
| 00:36.45 | SparFux | hdevalence: good question. |
| 00:37.03 | SparFux | /usr/src/kernel-headers-version |
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| 00:37.35 | SparFux | you should do ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-<current version> /usr/src/linux |
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| 00:38.32 | jms | SparFux: would 2.6.23 be a valid answer for the kernel version? |
| 00:38.40 | dkr | hdevalence: aptitude search ~Brecommends I think this is showing all recommended packages not installed |
| 00:39.04 | dkr | hdevalence: you might could build a list to install with that |
| 00:39.06 | sier | thanks for the help dkr |
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| 00:40.26 | LinuxLlama | Is there a way I can get a newer kernel on etch? (2.6.22 or higher) |
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| 00:41.23 | dkr | actually ~Brecommends showing some installed stuff. weird. ~B "Matches packages which have an unfulfilled (“broken”) dependency of the given type." type can be "recommends" or other stuff |
| 00:41.24 | eldowan | LinuxLlama: I'm sure there is. You *could* compile your own, but you run the risk of misconfiguring it. |
| 00:41.29 | jms | SparFux: is there any reason why my /usr/src folder would be empty? |
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| 00:41.42 | pythonic | hi! where do i get the source for etch debian installer? |
| 00:42.29 | keram | can i use the -j option with make-kpkg? |
| 00:42.40 | LinuxLlama | Testing used to work on my computer, but the latest testing won't work on my computer because of parted. perhaps I should try the testing deb? |
| 00:42.41 | Nyle | ahhh man |
| 00:42.50 | voraistos | hi. I would like to install APC for php5 to use with lighttpd (fastcgi). I read some people did it, but all the tutorials i found so far are for apache... |
| 00:42.56 | SparFux | jms: You have to install source to fill it. apt-get source <package> |
| 00:42.57 | dkr | pythonic: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build |
| 00:43.05 | Nyle | outkast! |
| 00:43.17 | Nyle | eldowan: hey man |
| 00:43.23 | SparFux | pythonic: something like apt-get source debian-installer or the like. |
| 00:43.37 | jms | okay. in this case I think the package would be gcc |
| 00:43.48 | pythonic | dkr: that's svn installer.. i'm after etch installer |
| 00:44.14 | pythonic | debian-installer package is just documentation |
| 00:44.45 | keram | in the man page it says that you can use the -j command |
| 00:44.51 | SparFux | good night |
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| 00:45.16 | Picachoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.30 | keram | but when i do sudo make-kpkg -j3 --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
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| 00:45.37 | keram | it says unknown option: j3 |
| 00:45.44 | dkr | pythonic: eh? |
| 00:46.08 | pythonic | dkr: oh, i see.. there's a d-i/etch branch :-) |
| 00:46.09 | dkr | pythonic: oh,I see |
| 00:46.12 | dkr | heh |
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| 00:46.33 | eldowan | Nyle: Hey |
| 00:46.55 | Picachoo | how to increase linux speed? |
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| 00:47.11 | Nyle | I gotta go get groceries I been putting off shopping for few days now i got nothing in the house |
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| 00:47.20 | dkr | put an R-type sticker on your case |
| 00:47.28 | Nyle | super R-type 3 |
| 00:47.31 | Nyle | my fav game :D |
| 00:47.58 | dkr | someone actually had a good factoid earlier about perceived slowness earlier, but can't remember it |
| 00:48.45 | keram | anyone know? |
| 00:48.50 | hdevalence | what happened is that I stupidly decided to use apt-get install instead of aptitude install the list of packages on the KDE techbase wiki, but it didn't install the 'reccomends' deps.. |
| 00:49.14 | hdevalence | would uninstalling them all and then installing them with aptitude work? |
| 00:49.48 | Nyle | what about using aptitude install kde |
| 00:49.56 | dkr | hdevalence: maybe just an install with the aptitude option to install recommends? |
| 00:50.10 | Nyle | dkr: too slow ;) |
| 00:50.41 | dkr | oh,that is just for new packages it seems: --with-recommends Treat recommendations as dependencies when installing new packages |
| 00:50.56 | hdevalence | yeah, I'd already tried that.. :( |
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| 00:55.04 | mark17 | does someone use snmpd on debian? |
| 00:55.19 | Nyle | !tell mark17 -about anyone |
| 00:55.46 | pythonic | hmm... i still can't find the source for the installer.. just a log of config files in svn.. i'm specifically looking for stage1.c, stage2.c (or whatever) for the bootloader |
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| 00:56.18 | eldowan | Nyle: Take care, I'm out |
| 00:56.23 | Nyle | you too man |
| 00:56.34 | mark17 | if i do apt-get install snmpd will i be able to connect to that host using an snmp client from outside (in the same subnet)? if needed what can i use to configure it? |
| 00:56.46 | Nyle | !snmp |
| 00:56.47 | dpkg | snmp is, like, the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 00:56.56 | Nyle | !snmpd |
| 00:56.56 | dpkg | it has been said that snmpd is Simple Network Management Protocol Daemon. you need to edit /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf "access MyROSystem "" any noauth exact system none none", change 'system' under read to 'all' to get mrtg working. |
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| 00:57.44 | Nyle | mark17: its not that simple, but its not that complex either... I reccomend you check debian-administration website, they should have a guide |
| 00:57.51 | Nyle | they got one for friggin everything |
| 00:57.55 | mark17 | nice the directory (/etc/snmpd) doesnt exist |
| 00:58.13 | Nyle | did you install snmpd |
| 00:58.14 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:58.18 | mark17 | yes |
| 00:58.24 | mark17 | using apt-get |
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| 00:58.27 | Nyle | well I've never used it so I dunno |
| 00:58.28 | Nyle | ;) |
| 00:59.19 | hdevalence | I tried doing something like apt-cache depends <packages> | grep Recommends | awk '{print $3}' |
| 00:59.34 | hdevalence | but it's not going into grep |
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| 00:59.58 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:00.01 | hdevalence | oh wait |
| 01:00.26 | hdevalence | :( I misspelled recommends |
| 01:01.00 | dkr | pythonic: that page I linked has steps all the way to completed netboot image so it's certainly not just config files. |
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| 01:01.22 | dkr | pythonic: oh yeah ,you said something about checking out something other than trunk? |
| 01:01.28 | Nyle | what is the diff between suggested packages and recommended packages |
| 01:01.30 | dkr | d-i/etch? |
| 01:01.53 | pythonic | dkr: yeah i want the etch installer.. and i get connection refused when i try svn co :-( |
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| 01:02.32 | dkr | svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk debian-installer worked for me |
| 01:02.51 | pythonic | dkr: i just need the source for stage1.c, stage2.c (or whatever) for the bootloader, and the kernel. |
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| 01:03.46 | dkr | which are all in trunk. just co the whole thing and then look through it. or look for q svnweb or something of the repo? :) |
| 01:04.46 | pythonic | o.O the source for the version i'm using is not available? |
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| 01:04.56 | mark17 | is there a way to get the standard config file back (when installed with apt-get install)? |
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| 01:05.06 | `y7 | does anybody know how to disable colors in joe? |
| 01:05.13 | Nyle | !tell mark17 -about confmiss |
| 01:05.57 | Nyle | amphi: I require a moron. |
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| 01:07.31 | dkr | --highlight |
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| 01:07.54 | dkr | mark17: aptitude reinstall |
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| 01:09.45 | Greek-Boy | I dont get mail from my debian sytem. I want to get mail on the output of my cron jobs. How do achieve this? |
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| 01:11.01 | kgoetz | Greek-Boy: configure the mail server correctly, and put your email in aliases |
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| 01:12.31 | Greek-Boy | but the "mail" command doesn't work |
| 01:12.43 | kgoetz | install it. (mailx) |
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| 01:14.29 | Picachoo | what are the ways to run windows apps. some i know are wine (app layer), virtualbox(virtualisation).. can you please tell me what are ways. and what are faster and what are slower accordingly? |
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| 01:15.06 | kgoetz | theres not a lot inbetween |
| 01:15.28 | leonardo | hi all, i installed xfce but i don't know how to run this by terminal |
| 01:15.37 | leonardo | and how to make this as default |
| 01:15.44 | sime | How can i script to test port 22 is open. I know i can telnet to port 22, but i'm not sure how to send a escape character for it to exit nicely |
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| 01:16.39 | kgoetz | i catn remember :/ |
| 01:17.08 | dkr | sime: nmap -sT -p22 |
| 01:17.51 | sime | nmap is great but i don't want to assume it is installed at this point |
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| 01:20.44 | Greek-Boy | kgoetz: when i do apt-get install mailx it wants to install exim too but i'm running qmail |
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| 01:21.56 | kgoetz | Greek-Boy: heh. have fun |
| 01:22.23 | kgoetz | you can either: install a different mail tool, or stop using qmail, or force ignoring dependancies |
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| 01:23.58 | screamingbytes | evening all |
| 01:24.13 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 01:25.29 | Greek-Boy | lol |
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| 01:27.59 | mark17 | i am trying to start snmpd, but i get the following error in my syslog: http://yourpaste.net/191 |
| 01:28.06 | mark17 | someone an idea how i can fix it? |
| 01:28.15 | wald0 | the nvidia drivers are not in lenny ? just in stable or only in the repo of rdonald ? |
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| 01:29.33 | kgoetz | nvidia drivers arnt in debian at all |
| 01:30.03 | wald0 | oh, ok |
| 01:30.10 | kgoetz | !nvidia |
| 01:30.11 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 01:32.45 | wols | wald0: for lenny you need to backport |
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| 01:35.03 | wald0 | wols: backport in what sense ? rdonald update regulary the versions |
| 01:35.46 | wols | !backport |
| 01:35.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 01:36.06 | wols | there hasn't been a nvidia driver in lenny's contrib for more than half a year now |
| 01:36.10 | wintix | is it possible to remount a ext3 root fs as read only as ext2? |
| 01:36.30 | wols | wintix: yes |
| 01:36.31 | dkr | wintix: yes |
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| 01:36.44 | wintix | mount -t ext2 -o ro,remount -f / doesn't really work. it just gives me the whort syntax help |
| 01:36.51 | dkr | ext3 is really just ext2 + a journal |
| 01:37.03 | wintix | s/whort/short/ |
| 01:37.34 | mark17 | solved by adding an ip to bind to |
| 01:37.41 | realz` | wintix: error? |
| 01:37.52 | voraistos | hi i am using lighttpd with fastcgi and php5... i need to locate a php.ini file and i cant find it |
| 01:38.19 | realz` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.22 | wols | find /etc -name php*.ini |
| 01:38.29 | wintix | realz`: none. just the help text |
| 01:38.31 | dkr | wintix: need a device |
| 01:38.41 | wintix | ah. k. that could be. |
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| 01:38.59 | dkr | because you are specifying a different type it can't use the existing / entry on fstab |
| 01:39.29 | wintix | dkr: thanks :) |
| 01:39.43 | sier | omg, I'm getting mad w/ java haha |
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| 01:40.06 | voraistos | realz` i found it :D somehow whereis wouldnt work it was in /etc/php5/cgi/ |
| 01:40.27 | realz` | voraistos: nice |
| 01:40.41 | realz` | wintix: can you give the command again i was disconnected |
| 01:40.47 | jms | can anyone explain why the headers for kernel 2.6.23 aren't available? |
| 01:41.08 | voraistos | now i have to modify it and watch my brand new install fail. Then i will format and .... :P |
| 01:41.18 | realz` | jms: what distro? |
| 01:41.28 | wintix | realz`: it works now, as it seems. |
| 01:41.37 | realz` | wintix: cool |
| 01:41.41 | wintix | mount -t ext2 -o ro,remount -f /dev.. / |
| 01:41.57 | jms | realz: debian, but a custom backport to support hardware |
| 01:42.34 | wols | jms: you didn't build the headers, that's why |
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| 01:42.44 | jms | wols: how does one do that? |
| 01:42.44 | wols | if you do a custom kernel you also must do your own headers |
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| 01:43.06 | wols | jms: with kernep-package. just like how you did the kernel |
| 01:43.10 | wols | make-kpkg --targets |
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| 01:43.33 | wald0 | kgoetz: they are, in unstable... i dont' know why not in lenny |
| 01:43.42 | wols | realz`: whereis and locate can only work if you created a filedb with updatedb |
| 01:43.47 | jms | wols: I didn't compile the kernel, I got it from here: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/ |
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| 01:43.52 | wols | by default updateadeb is run every morning at 6:25 am |
| 01:44.10 | wols | jms: same place you need to get the headers from |
| 01:44.37 | wols | !tell jms about backports |
| 01:44.47 | realz` | wols: right...dont look for data frrom whereis and locate that could have been changed in last 24 hours or so...find should be preferred here |
| 01:45.51 | realz` | my last updatedb ran 920pm..:p |
| 01:46.19 | dkr | or dpkg -L |
| 01:46.42 | wols | dkr: dpkg -L won't display config files |
| 01:46.53 | dkr | yes it will |
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| 01:48.14 | dkr | of course you have to know which package provides it though :) |
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| 01:48.28 | realz` | -L will provide config files |
| 01:48.49 | realz` | provided software doesnt use personalized config in ~s |
| 01:48.49 | wols | dkr: dpkg -S /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 01:48.49 | wols | dpkg: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini not found. |
| 01:48.59 | wols | dkr: so you come again? |
| 01:49.08 | realz` | lo; |
| 01:49.45 | _Schampong | hi can someone tell me which mime type of "application/x-python-code" or "application/x-python-bytecode" is the correct one for python ".pyc" files? |
| 01:49.59 | _Schampong | google gives me about 50% results for each |
| 01:50.00 | wols | bytecode |
| 01:50.12 | _Schampong | wols: sure? that was a quick answer |
| 01:50.20 | wols | but: MIME types are not really standardized much |
| 01:50.27 | _Schampong | hmm, I see |
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| 01:50.59 | realz` | MIME types huh...they are as accurate as a handmade gun |
| 01:51.06 | _Schampong | :) |
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| 01:51.43 | _Schampong | but they are like women, they look so promising, but you don't know what they actually mean |
| 01:51.55 | realz` | dpks -S something* is the one i use personally |
| 01:51.55 | bloom | where can I get the file /pbuilder-run for armel? I'm trying to set up a qemubuilder image of my Nokia 770 which is almost debian but not quite |
| 01:52.24 | wols | !tell bloom about search |
| 01:52.26 | realz` | _Schampong: right../ |
| 01:53.24 | realz` | I hate *nix channels...one typo can mean a totally different thing |
| 01:53.50 | bloom | wols: I've already tried that. packages.debian.org's package contents search doesn't know about the file, but I know that my virtual machine gets called with the option init=/pbuilder-run when it starts up |
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| 01:54.10 | bloom | I'd like to get my hands on that file without having to set up a whole additional pbuilder image to find it |
| 01:54.17 | wols | maemo != edbian |
| 01:54.19 | wols | *debian |
| 01:54.53 | bloom | wols: I know, but it's close enough that I should be able to try this little experiment |
| 01:54.54 | wols | !pbuilder |
| 01:54.57 | dpkg | well, pbuilder is a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
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| 01:55.34 | bloom | wols: obviously you know very little about qemubuilder |
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| 01:56.15 | wols | bloom: you know shit all of debian and are off topic |
| 01:56.20 | wols | !based on debian |
| 01:56.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 01:56.49 | bloom | I'm asking about a file that is ostensibly supplied by Debian somewhere in the guts of its own pbuilder implementation |
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| 01:57.39 | _Schampong | hmm, fine. Another one: is it "appplication/x-redhat-package-manager" or "application/x-rpm" |
| 01:57.45 | bloom | well, I'm halfway through downloading my Debian armel pbuilder chroot, so by the time you finish flaming me, I'll have my answer |
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| 01:58.21 | wols | bloom: not from this channel. and if it's supplied, the pbuildder.deb has it |
| 02:00.35 | mark17 | is it possible to get statistics (when i use snmpd) for every IP listed on that server? (i use rrdtool/cacti as front end for the statistics) |
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| 02:01.32 | bloom | it's a bash script |
| 02:02.26 | bloom | all of 11 lines |
| 02:04.06 | Nyle | wols: hi |
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| 02:04.35 | wols | pax vobiscum |
| 02:05.59 | pythonic | fuck off |
| 02:06.15 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:06.29 | Nyle | Sorg - Vobiscum.mp3 |
| 02:06.42 | wols | Nyle: someone flunked his latin class |
| 02:06.55 | Nyle | but he can google |
| 02:07.07 | Nyle | but I don't care about latin, I like Arabic |
| 02:08.13 | wols | terrorist! |
| 02:08.31 | Nyle | I don't find that funny |
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| 02:09.07 | iateadonut | why do i have four php.ini's? why do i have two apache's? should i uninstall one of them? |
| 02:10.23 | SexyKen | Anyone around here use Supermicro servers before? |
| 02:10.42 | iateadonut | how'd the interview go, Nyle? |
| 02:11.36 | wols | SexyKen: how is this debian related? |
| 02:11.49 | wols | lagann_: apache mdoule, cli, cgi and somethin else |
| 02:12.04 | wols | 2 versions of apache in debian: apache 1.3 and apache 2.2 |
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| 02:12.14 | SexyKen | wols - Any reason you choose to be a dick - or is it just your nature? |
| 02:12.29 | SexyKen | A) I wasn't going to ask for help B) What does apache have to do with debian? |
| 02:12.31 | wols | SexyKen: go away and ask in a channel where it's not OT |
| 02:12.37 | SexyKen | OT? |
| 02:12.40 | wols | debian distributes apache |
| 02:12.43 | wols | !ot |
| 02:12.43 | dpkg | [ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:13.00 | wols | !tell SexyKen about anyone |
| 02:13.03 | SexyKen | And I install debian on a fucking supermicro....so why dont you shut up before you go trying to talk shit? |
| 02:13.05 | iateadonut | so, should i just uninstall apache 1.3? is there any reason to keep it on there? |
| 02:13.13 | Nyle | SexyKen: behave please |
| 02:13.28 | SexyKen | Oh, and by the way - I was not going to ask for ANYONE's help. |
| 02:13.37 | Nyle | SexyKen: Please employ /ignore and try not to confront people on IRC, its useless |
| 02:13.51 | iateadonut | /ignore SexyKen |
| 02:13.52 | Nyle | don't waste your time, and just get what you came here for, debian support :) |
| 02:13.59 | sier | dkr, are you ther? |
| 02:14.00 | pythonic | tax is theft |
| 02:14.03 | Nyle | iateadonut: it went fairly well |
| 02:14.05 | Nyle | thanks you for asking |
| 02:14.08 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:14.20 | sier | I was reading from Sun's website, and looks like java 64bit, does not have "plugins" folder |
| 02:14.23 | SexyKen | Nyle: I kind of idle in this channel a bit...and when I come across cool shit, it's another place to mention it. |
| 02:14.35 | sier | not supported., |
| 02:14.36 | wols | sier: correct. there is no 64bit java plugin |
| 02:14.40 | SexyKen | sier: Please dont bring up off topic stuff, for isntance, java 64bit. |
| 02:14.52 | sier | SexyKen, ? |
| 02:14.53 | Nyle | SexyKen: please... |
| 02:14.57 | wols | SexyKen: please don't troll |
| 02:15.00 | SexyKen | Nyle: I have about 10 SuperMicro servers I just got.... |
| 02:15.08 | SexyKen | ...surely you're familiar with IPMI, yea? |
| 02:15.17 | Nyle | I don't know nothing about computers man |
| 02:15.20 | Nyle | sorry |
| 02:15.21 | SexyKen | hehe. |
| 02:15.30 | SexyKen | Mr. Maintainer dont know shit ;-) |
| 02:15.39 | Nyle | not yet... |
| 02:15.43 | Nyle | I'm trying to be |
| 02:15.53 | sier | SexyKen, please do not write my nick, if not requested. |
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| 02:16.00 | SexyKen | Anyway - the SIMSO+ card I put in these servers is pretty nice. I am doing a remote install using an image I mounted from my local client computer. |
| 02:16.06 | SexyKen | sier. |
| 02:16.09 | SexyKen | Relax. |
| 02:16.21 | wols | SexyKen: can you be on topic. for a change? |
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| 02:16.31 | wols | or is this leading to a debian related question? |
| 02:16.43 | SexyKen | I didn't realize everything had to be a fucking question. |
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| 02:16.52 | SexyKen | And yes, I'm installing Debian on this server. |
| 02:16.52 | Nyle | wols: SexyKen: sier: take a silence break for a minute. |
| 02:16.56 | SexyKen | So I guess it's related. |
| 02:17.04 | SexyKen | Some people like to play God. |
| 02:17.05 | Nyle | breath deeply, pull your heads out of each others asses, and grow up |
| 02:17.07 | Nyle | :/ |
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| 02:17.14 | muramasa | tralala, around? :-) |
| 02:17.20 | lucasdc | how do i add an user to a group? |
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| 02:17.26 | SexyKen | useradd -g |
| 02:17.33 | mark17 | is it possible to get statistics (when i use snmpd) for every IP listed on that server? (i use rrdtool/cacti as front end for the statistics) |
| 02:17.33 | Tailsfan | Administration > Users and Groups |
| 02:17.38 | wols | muramasa: what's the problem? still no alsa? |
| 02:17.43 | sier | Nyle, I asked for help a couple minutes ago, on how to install java in my debian amd64 system.. dkr was just helping me.. so I found the solution, and came to tell him.. thats all |
| 02:17.57 | lucasdc | SexyKen: useradd -g <user> <group> ? |
| 02:17.58 | Nyle | sier: no problem, its all good |
| 02:17.58 | wols | sier: we told you. there is no 64bit plugin |
| 02:17.59 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:18.07 | Tailsfan | Does the Debian DVDs come with the LAMP Sections |
| 02:18.08 | Nyle | you can use nspluginwrapper |
| 02:18.18 | wols | !tell Tailsfan about cd content |
| 02:18.27 | lucasdc | SexyKen: nvm |
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| 02:18.31 | SexyKen | lucasdc: Just do this: adduser username group |
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| 02:18.35 | Nyle | I am using amd64 java plugin right now :) |
| 02:18.59 | wols | you are using amd64 based distro asnd a java plugin.y ou don't use a 64bit java plugin :P |
| 02:19.04 | muramasa | wols, I met some problems while trying to boot my new kernel. I actually wrote it down on a paper, so let me post it on pastebin and maybe you can find the problem :-) |
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| 02:19.30 | wols | :P |
| 02:19.30 | Nyle | install libjava.so (32bit browser plugin using ia32libs etc...) and simply link it with nspluginwrapper |
| 02:19.43 | Nyle | s/amd64 java plugin/java plugin on amd64 |
| 02:19.47 | Nyle | misphrase |
| 02:19.50 | sier | thanks |
| 02:19.57 | realz` | this wget thing doesnt run in background does it? |
| 02:20.02 | wols | realz`: it does |
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| 02:20.11 | Nyle | wols: in etch, you'll have to build or get backported nspluginwrapper |
| 02:20.11 | realz` | wols: how? |
| 02:20.18 | wols | realz`: wget ...&, nohup wget, wget unedr screen, etc |
| 02:20.20 | Nyle | Tramp: hey |
| 02:20.25 | Nyle | er.. tralala * |
| 02:20.55 | realz` | wols: wget ... & does run the process in background but it still doesnt leave my terminal... |
| 02:21.13 | wols | realz`: as I said: nohup, screen, etc |
| 02:21.21 | realz` | wols: ok |
| 02:21.37 | wols | and if you dilike it's output then: redirect ot to /dev/null |
| 02:21.43 | wols | *dislike |
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| 02:22.00 | realz` | wols: that would have been useful before starting 3gb downloaod ;P |
| 02:22.08 | wols | it still is. |
| 02:22.18 | wols | ctrl+c it and restart it. wget has reget support |
| 02:22.22 | muramasa | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49186 this is what it says while trying to boot it :-( |
| 02:22.33 | realz` | wols: cool/...lemme do that |
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| 02:23.02 | wols | muramasa: did you create an initrd? |
| 02:23.07 | Joelito | hi all: Is there a GUI utility that will help manage deb packages? |
| 02:23.19 | muramasa | wols, I dont know what that is i'm afraid .-( |
| 02:23.26 | wols | realz`: read up on the wget options first |
| 02:23.39 | wols | muramasa: pastebin your menu.lst |
| 02:23.50 | wols | Joelito: synaptic |
| 02:23.53 | muramasa | wols, coming right up |
| 02:24.00 | realz` | i should just do /dev/null stuff...that should work as i required |
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| 02:24.16 | iateadonut | how do i search in apt for which packages are already installed? |
| 02:24.32 | muramasa | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49187 |
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| 02:25.21 | wols | muramasa: what disk contrller? |
| 02:25.31 | Joelito | wols: I yeah, :p |
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| 02:25.49 | wols | if you don't know: "lspci" output |
| 02:26.26 | muramasa | wols, 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Mobile SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 02:26.40 | realz` | wols: i cant ctrl+c wget..? should i kill 2 PIDofWGET? |
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| 02:27.12 | wols | realz`: you can. never seen wget not responding to ctrl+c |
| 02:27.29 | xai | Is there a way to set hostname in a debian chroot that doesn't set it on parent OS? |
| 02:27.33 | realz` | wols: yeah..its just acts like <enter> |
| 02:27.51 | muramasa | wols, do you want whole lspci output? |
| 02:28.34 | wols | muramasa: grep CONFIG_SATA_AHCI /boot/config-2.6.* |
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| 02:29.16 | wols | muramasa: the only importan line is from your .24 kernel |
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| 02:30.16 | muramasa | wols, it doesnt return anything when writing that :-( |
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| 02:31.08 | wols | muramasa: grep CONFIG_SATA /bin/config* |
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| 02:31.52 | muramasa | wols, "grep: /bin/config*: The file or directory doesn't exist" |
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| 02:32.12 | wols | doh!. /boot/config* |
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| 02:32.38 | muramasa | wols, hehe, when changing to /boot/config* it doesn't return anything |
| 02:33.15 | nadim_007 | hi |
| 02:33.17 | wols | I dobt believe you |
| 02:33.30 | nadim_007 | ok dont beliv me |
| 02:33.48 | muramasa | maikeru-laptop:/boot# grep CONFIG_SATA /boot/config* |
| 02:33.48 | muramasa | maikeru-laptop:/boot# |
| 02:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that a bit harsh.. he only said hi |
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| 02:34.33 | Penix | I've got lame silicon image sata now. can I hang with you cool kids? |
| 02:34.46 | wols | grep SATA /boot/config* |
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| 02:35.10 | realz` | wow...1600 lines of man[page for wget...probably one of the most underestimated peice of software! |
| 02:35.25 | wols | Penix: silicon image sata was cool 5 years ago. not anymore |
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| 02:36.08 | Penix | damn. I'll go get some SAS and come back |
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| 02:36.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | realz`: hehe... check bash :) |
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| 02:38.43 | Nyle | heh |
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| 02:39.17 | realz` | CutMeOwnThroat: bash is nver underestimated!! |
| 02:39.29 | Penix | can't believe I'm gradually becoming nforce tolerant |
| 02:39.29 | Nyle | zsh |
| 02:39.36 | Nyle | Penix: ugh... |
| 02:39.43 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:39.44 | Penix | got two of the silly things now |
| 02:39.48 | JordiGH | kash |
| 02:39.49 | Nyle | which ones? |
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| 02:39.56 | Penix | 1 and 2 :\ |
| 02:39.58 | wols | nf2 aren't bad chipsets. it's nvidia who are the assholes :P |
| 02:39.59 | Nyle | ouch |
| 02:40.01 | JordiGH | Er, I mean korn shell. |
| 02:40.08 | Nyle | wols: true true |
| 02:40.13 | Nyle | but they gotta make money somehow |
| 02:40.20 | Penix | I was quite impressed by the 1 board compared to the original MSI VIA board I've had |
| 02:40.40 | Penix | would've vomited years ago |
| 02:40.42 | realz` | being on the topic..anybody knows of TV out hotplugging support in nvidia anytime soon? |
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| 02:40.55 | Nyle | hotplugging? |
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| 02:40.59 | Nyle | that I don't know about |
| 02:41.13 | Nyle | I would immagine you could remove and plugin the same tv |
| 02:41.13 | wols_ | hehe. beating Via hardware is nothing to brag about |
| 02:41.13 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:41.23 | wols_ | if you don't beat that easily you have shit hardware. really shitty hw |
| 02:41.32 | Nyle | via aint THAT bad for what it costs man |
| 02:41.33 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 02:41.34 | realz` | yeah...like i plug svidio out..and put in a command...and tv out works...right now i have to restart X |
| 02:41.41 | maikeru | wols, sorry, my internet died on me. did you see what I wrote? |
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| 02:41.52 | MrKeuner | hi, there is a problem with my mysql-server-5.0 installation therefore it does not start. I would like to remove --purge it but dpkg gives me error. I would like to force it to do that but could not decide which force options I should be using in order not to break anything. could anybody help? |
| 02:41.53 | wols_ | B-ker: if you go that budget, go SiS |
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| 02:42.03 | Penix | realz`: you can use the nvidia control panel tool |
| 02:42.18 | wols_ | maikeru: yes. grep AHCI /boot/config* |
| 02:42.20 | Penix | realz`: the latest versions allow you to do all your fancy twinview/xinerama/tvout stuff |
| 02:42.22 | realz` | Penix...no that doesnt work...tried it |
| 02:42.38 | wols_ | !tell MrKeuner about bat |
| 02:42.52 | maikeru | wols, doesn't return anything for .24, just 18-5 and 18-6 |
| 02:43.10 | realz` | perix:but u still gotta restart x for things to take effect...Plus nvidia-settings screws up my xorg.conf very badly... |
| 02:43.28 | wols_ | maikeru: yes. grep SATA /boot/config* |
| 02:43.42 | wols_ | and if that desn't return anything, pastebin ALL of your config 24 |
| 02:43.48 | Penix | still have to restart?...hmm. could've sworn I've pulled it off without. might be wrong though |
| 02:44.01 | maikeru | wols, "/boot/config-2.6.24-maikeru-laptop-i386:# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set |
| 02:44.01 | maikeru | " from grep SATA /boot/config* |
| 02:44.23 | wols_ | ah, so you haven't enabled any sata drivers... |
| 02:45.01 | Nyle | mmm I make the meanest chicken salad sandwich ever |
| 02:45.04 | maikeru | is that hard to fix?:-( god I wish I wasn't a total tard with these stuff |
| 02:45.05 | realz` | Perix: it does recongnize...that ihave hotplugged in TVOUT...but for xinerama or twinview to take effect i still gotta restart X |
| 02:45.18 | Penix | tab complete, please |
| 02:45.26 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:45.29 | wols_ | you need to run menuconfig and enable it |
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| 02:45.39 | realz` | Perix: and if i let nvidia-settings do it for me...My laptop becomes TV and tv screen becomes laptop screen...its just a pain |
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| 02:45.57 | Nyle | so go into xorg.conf and switch em around |
| 02:45.58 | Nyle | ? |
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| 02:46.51 | realz` | Nyle: yeah thats what i do...but i have to do it again when i use nvidia tool..so i just manually configure xorg.conf once and dont use nvidia-settings ever |
| 02:47.00 | iateadonut | can anyone tell me why i have so many php.ini files? i don't have apache installed - why is there a php.ini in /etc/php5/apache/ ? |
| 02:47.11 | Nyle | realz`: cool |
| 02:47.39 | realz` | of 10000things i wish during the day. one of them is for nvidia to open their drivers |
| 02:47.46 | wols_ | iateadonut: dpkg -l |grep php |
| 02:47.53 | Nyle | I think ATI did |
| 02:47.55 | Nyle | recently |
| 02:48.00 | realz` | yeah |
| 02:48.01 | wols_ | Nyle: not yet |
| 02:48.07 | MrKeuner | Updated problem: there is a problem with my mysql-server-5.0 installation therefore it does not start. I would like to remove --purge it but dpkg gives me error. I would like to force it to do that but could not decide which force options I should be using in order not to break anything. could anybody help? dpkg run:http://paste.debian.net/49189 policy: http://paste.debian.net/49188 |
| 02:48.10 | wols_ | and they don't |
| 02:48.19 | Penix | realz`: so, you've tried plugging the tv in and using the detect displays thing in the nvidia tool? |
| 02:48.32 | Nyle | wols_: hmm I thought I read somewhere that the specifications for that were public now |
| 02:48.32 | realz` | perix yes |
| 02:48.43 | Nyle | realz`: type P E and then hit tab |
| 02:48.45 | Nyle | please. |
| 02:48.46 | realz` | Nyle: thats waht i heard too |
| 02:49.11 | wols_ | Nyle: far from it |
| 02:49.15 | maikeru | wols_, *ashamed*, but how do I do that? after getting libncurses5-dev, menuconfig command cant be found |
| 02:49.16 | Nyle | hmm |
| 02:49.19 | realz` | Nyle: is not working for Penix's nick for some reason |
| 02:49.25 | wols_ | and opening specs is not opening the driver |
| 02:49.26 | Nyle | hh |
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| 02:49.37 | wols_ | maikeru: make menuconfig in the kernel source |
| 02:49.39 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 02:49.44 | Nyle | the driver is still closed |
| 02:49.56 | Nyle | but I think now they tell us how it works so we can make our own free 3d ati driver |
| 02:49.58 | wols_ | Nyle: they didn't open ALL specs either. 5xx cards only IIRC |
| 02:50.08 | Nyle | yeh |
| 02:50.11 | Nyle | thas what i got |
| 02:50.14 | Nyle | r580 |
| 02:50.14 | realz` | next time i m going for intel video cards |
| 02:50.15 | wols_ | Nyle: considering we are 2 gens father down the line, this is irrelevant |
| 02:50.19 | maikeru | wols, /usr/src/linux-image-2.6.24 ... ? |
| 02:50.28 | wols_ | maikeru: yes in there |
| 02:50.33 | Nyle | well, intel is king. |
| 02:50.33 | maikeru | wols_, sweet thanks :-) |
| 02:50.34 | Dewi | can I bootstrap the debian installer from a running linux system and nuke the disk I boot off, all from ssh? |
| 02:50.36 | Penix | realz`: afaik my setup just has the TV specified in my xorg.conf and then 'hotplugging' the TV and detecting it works |
| 02:50.38 | iateadonut | dpkg --purge remove libapache-mod-php5 took care of it... thanks, wols. |
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| 02:50.47 | Penix | pretty sure I did the same thing with a friend's box a few weeks ago |
| 02:50.49 | wols_ | !tell Dewi about dbeootstrap |
| 02:51.01 | Nyle | de |
| 02:51.11 | wols_ | !debootstrap |
| 02:51.11 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 02:51.12 | Nyle | !debootstrap |
| 02:51.14 | Nyle | oops |
| 02:51.21 | realz` | perix..it does detect...but nothing happens...i have to restart X for it to have any display! |
| 02:51.25 | Dewi | wols_: but I'm not installing in a chroot |
| 02:51.42 | Dewi | wols_: not into a chroot anyway, I want to nuke my own boot partition and replace it with a debian system |
| 02:51.43 | Nyle | realz`: your right index finger is damaged? |
| 02:51.43 | wols_ | Dewi: it's still the way to do it |
| 02:51.49 | Dewi | wols_: okay, cool |
| 02:51.59 | realz` | Nyle: ? |
| 02:52.04 | Nyle | realz`: |
| 02:52.05 | wols_ | Dewi: a chroot doesn't need to be a chroot forever |
| 02:52.16 | Nyle | realz`: 'n' is just under 'h/j' |
| 02:52.23 | maikeru | wols_, ok! into the configuration window now. "Device Drivers --->" I assume? |
| 02:52.28 | Nyle | how you keep missing it and doing 'r' is beyond me ;) |
| 02:52.53 | realz` | Nyle: still didnt get you! |
| 02:52.59 | Nyle | its Penix |
| 02:53.02 | Nyle | not Perix |
| 02:53.13 | Nyle | r is too far away from n to be a typo this constantly |
| 02:53.14 | Penix | maybe it should be Perix |
| 02:53.15 | Nyle | :D |
| 02:53.15 | realz` | aahh... |
| 02:53.28 | realz` | my right eye not finger is damaged it see,s |
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| 02:53.36 | realz` | s/see,s/seems |
| 02:53.41 | Nyle | im just pullin yer leg |
| 02:53.42 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:55.15 | realz` | i need some perspective...I have never used fedora on my system except for a VM...and this rpm GUI always seems to be hanging..is that normal? |
| 02:55.28 | Penix | realz`: ask #fedora |
| 02:55.29 | realz` | releases after release |
| 02:55.31 | maikeru | wols_, there is no drivers to choose under "Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers". I suppose that's a bad sign? |
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| 02:56.14 | realz` | Penix: nah..dont need the answer from #fedora people..i never say my software is buggy :p |
| 02:57.00 | Penix | realz`: well, it could be a fedora specific issue, or the way the app works could just be delaying/blocking redraws etc. |
| 02:57.21 | Penix | can't think of the word for it... |
| 02:57.41 | Penix | or term. 'non-blocking' interface or something |
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| 02:58.36 | realz` | where is wget-log? |
| 02:58.45 | Penix | current dir? |
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| 02:59.06 | realz` | Penix: right |
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| 02:59.46 | realz` | wget-log only get written when wget is finished? |
| 02:59.59 | Penix | maybe. the man page probably knows |
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| 03:00.23 | shbla99 | hello. how can i disable cron from logging to syslog? |
| 03:00.59 | Penix | shbla99: /etc/syslog.conf |
| 03:01.55 | shbla99 | Penix: in syslog.conf i have | cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 03:02.04 | shbla99 | yet it still logs to syslog |
| 03:02.39 | Nyle | hmm |
| 03:02.46 | Nyle | the patch didn't come out right |
| 03:02.49 | Nyle | its off by 10 lines |
| 03:02.50 | Nyle | wtf |
| 03:02.53 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 03:03.14 | Nyle | islly me |
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| 03:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle=~ s/\n/, /g |
| 03:03.26 | Daveman | Hooray for backports! |
| 03:03.41 | k-man | whats the package to install to get the full debian xorg desktop installed? |
| 03:03.50 | Penix | k-man: x-window-system |
| 03:03.55 | k-man | ah |
| 03:03.56 | k-man | thanks |
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| 03:04.10 | shbla99 | Penix: any ideas? |
| 03:04.34 | Joelito | what's the url for the backport debian etch? |
| 03:05.12 | Penix | Joelito: the site will tell you |
| 03:05.19 | Penix | shbla99: no. not really |
| 03:06.43 | Joelito | mmm, is like a site where can I get a debian iso with current linux-image, I forgot the url :( |
| 03:06.46 | Tramp | shbla99: well, what do you have in syslog.conf for "/var/log/syslog"? |
| 03:06.57 | k-man | i installed x-window-system but i'm not getting any window manager when i log in |
| 03:07.07 | k-man | is there anything else I'm missing? |
| 03:08.51 | Joelito | ah, this one: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ :p |
| 03:08.55 | Nyle | guys... dpkg -L iceweasel|grep firefox ... |
| 03:08.57 | Nyle | WHY? |
| 03:09.02 | shbla99 | Tramp: here is my config |
| 03:09.05 | Nyle | anyone? |
| 03:09.06 | shbla99 | Tramp: http://pastebin.ca/904638 |
| 03:09.16 | Nyle | I thought we couldn't use the name firefox at all |
| 03:09.23 | Nyle | and I see some binaries named 'firefox' |
| 03:09.25 | Nyle | wtf is up? |
| 03:09.57 | Tramp | shbla99: "*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog" - so the *.* is the problem, I guess |
| 03:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: iceweasel can be called by typing firefox... like vim can be started by typing vi |
| 03:10.55 | k-man | Penix, i think the package is x-windows-system-core |
| 03:12.00 | tuv | how do i confirm dma status for a sata disk? |
| 03:12.35 | MrKeuner | Hi, there is a problem with my mysql-server-5.0 installation therefore it does not start. I would like to remove --purge it but dpkg gives me error. I would like to force it to do that but could not decide which force options I should be using in order not to break anything. could anybody help? dpkg run output: http://paste.debian.net/49189 policy: http://paste.debian.net/49188 |
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| 03:17.02 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: You're using Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 03:17.08 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: Ask in #ubuntu, not #debian |
| 03:20.35 | MrKeuner | Wyzard: the answer should be the same for this problem |
| 03:20.58 | MrKeuner | Wyzard: and I assume we are not enemies |
| 03:21.29 | jelly-home | MrKeuner: an answer appropriate for Debian might have unfortunate consequence on other OSes |
| 03:21.34 | kgoetz | MrKeuner: its not a debian question, so its not correct to ask here |
| 03:21.42 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: Theoretically it should be, but Ubuntu's MySQL package isn't necessarily identical to Debian's |
| 03:21.54 | kgoetz | (rewording: its different) |
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| 03:22.23 | iateadonut | why is apache2 process being run by root? |
| 03:22.35 | Meshen | Hi everybody |
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| 03:22.59 | Meshen | i hava a question about mitm |
| 03:23.01 | \amethyst | iateadonut: because it has to be able to bind low-numbered ports |
| 03:23.07 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: You could check the MySQL grant tables to see why that user is being denied access, but the existence of that user and the things it tries to do during package removal are packaging-specific |
| 03:23.12 | mfyz | :) |
| 03:23.16 | Meshen | is there someone that wants to talk about ? |
| 03:23.36 | \amethyst | iateadonut: you should have the main process running as root and all the workers running as www-data (at least with -mpm-worker) |
| 03:24.02 | MrKeuner | Wyzard: I was aiming just to remove the package itself not to correct the problem. Do you think I should still walk away from here |
| 03:24.13 | Meshen | i just want to know, if its possible to do mitm over the internet or only in lan |
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| 03:24.52 | jelly-home | Meshen: "mitm" is a generic term. You're too vague, and this is not #security. |
| 03:25.16 | Meshen | thanks, i will try in security |
| 03:25.37 | Meshen | its because i dont wanna say names of tools |
| 03:25.51 | jelly-home | Meshen: sorry, that was just an example. I have no idea whether that channel exists. |
| 03:25.59 | Meshen | just want to know if its possible or not |
| 03:26.08 | Tramp | it exists but, well, ... |
| 03:26.24 | Meshen | its because i use debian, so my first try was here |
| 03:26.34 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: My Debian-based troubleshooting suggestion would be to look at the package's prerm/postrm scripts to see what it's trying to run mysqladmin for; since you're removing the database anyway, it might be OK to just comment out whatever it's trying to do |
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| 03:26.42 | Tramp | Meshen: yes it is for anyone in the middle. Packets travel a long way. |
| 03:26.50 | iateadonut | i see. thank you amythest. |
| 03:26.50 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: (e.g. if you want to actually delete all the tables, cleanup actions don't really matter) |
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| 03:27.19 | MrKeuner | Wyzard: thank you very much |
| 03:27.31 | Meshen | cool, thanks Tramp |
| 03:27.40 | Tramp | Meshen: however, most carriers/providers of infrastructure have (should have) security measures in place to provide tempering. But in theory, such infrastructure may be compromised as well |
| 03:28.38 | Meshen | i know, like arpwatch |
| 03:28.44 | Meshen | =/ |
| 03:28.55 | Meshen | and about dns? |
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| 03:30.44 | Meshen | dnsspoof is it possible over the internet ? |
| 03:32.17 | Wyzard | Meshen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning |
| 03:34.15 | Meshen | wyzard thanks very much, actually, i know how to do that, but i didnt figure out how to do out of the lan |
| 03:34.33 | maikeru | riend hehe |
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| 03:38.34 | xerophyt1 | In the MRTG target Target[localhost.cpu]:ssCpuRawUser.0&ssCpuRawUser.0:public@127.0.0.1 + ssCpuRawSystem.0&ssCpuRawSystem.0:public@127.0.0.1 + ssCpuRawNice.0&ssCpuRawNice.0:public@127.0.0.1 why does the ssCpuRawUser.0 repeated twowise |
| 03:38.38 | xerophyt1 | ? |
| 03:39.57 | Nyle | man |
| 03:40.04 | Nyle | writing this patch is a piece of cake |
| 03:40.13 | Nyle | but i dont know how to write 'iceweasel' in all these diff languages |
| 03:40.18 | k-man | any idea which X server driver i should select for running under Virtualbox? |
| 03:40.35 | Nyle | whatever string I found in kdebase/klipper/ source package I changed 50 lanuguage entries |
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| 03:40.42 | Nyle | from 'firefox' to 'iceweasel' |
| 03:40.55 | Nyle | but few languages remains that don' tuse the english 'iceweasel' entry |
| 03:41.05 | Nyle | so should I still send in this incompletely patch? |
| 03:41.08 | Nyle | for that bug? |
| 03:41.11 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 03:42.52 | Nyle | btw, I now see what the debian kde team meant with having trouble with language translations |
| 03:43.01 | Nyle | other than that, its a peice of cake to fix this very minor bug |
| 03:43.06 | Nyle | and im out of pot goddait |
| 03:43.10 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 03:43.42 | Nyle | I can do farsi/arabic |
| 03:43.52 | Nyle | but no other langues that actually spell out iceweasel in thier language |
| 03:44.43 | Nyle | and also I've not rebuilt the package to find out if it would work, but logically, if you change the config file it should take effect when the package is instaleld and the config is installed into /etc/ |
| 03:45.03 | Nyle | maybe I should actually test to see the fix before I send in the patch or think bout sendin it in |
| 03:45.17 | Nyle | bada boop |
| 03:45.24 | Nyle | bada bing bang boom |
| 03:45.32 | xsdg | Nyle: what are you talking about? |
| 03:45.44 | xsdg | Nyle: translations of "iceweasel" are already in the iceweasel package |
| 03:45.53 | Nyle | xsdg: hmm |
| 03:45.55 | Nyle | not that |
| 03:45.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:46.13 | Nyle | shit forgot the bug number, hang on |
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| 03:46.58 | Nyle | !dbugs #416396 |
| 03:47.01 | dpkg | #416396:M[klipper] klipper: Klipper should refer to Iceweasel, not Firefox.; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:21:01 UTC |
| 03:47.22 | Nyle | xsdg: it is a problem (very minor but an annoyance nonetheless, but easily fixed manually too) |
| 03:47.35 | Nyle | xsdg: problem is in the kdebase source package |
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| 03:47.55 | Nyle | kdebase-3.5.8.dfsg.1/klipper/klipperrc.desktop |
| 03:48.10 | WormFood | Please forgive the dumb question, but is there a screen shot utility for gnome in debian? I searched through apt-cache, and all I can find is something for kde, and I installed all the general gnome utilities I can think of. |
| 03:48.17 | xsdg | Nyle: if you source iceweasel and look at iceweasel/debian/iceweasel.desktop... |
| 03:48.31 | kgoetz | WormFood: yes there is. |
| 03:48.35 | Nyle | xsdg: hmm, you mean I could copy the transalions from there? |
| 03:48.42 | Nyle | xsdg: ahhh |
| 03:48.49 | Nyle | nice, I didn't even think about that |
| 03:48.54 | WormFood | kgoetz, what package? |
| 03:48.55 | Nyle | xsdg: thank you very much |
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| 03:49.03 | xsdg | np |
| 03:49.41 | Nyle | you da man |
| 03:49.42 | xsdg | Name[fa]=مرورگر اینترنتی Iceweasel |
| 03:49.42 | kgoetz | WormFood: its a gnome applet, i doubt its a seperate package |
| 03:49.49 | Nyle | xsdg: paste the arabic one for me |
| 03:49.52 | Nyle | please |
| 03:50.20 | Nyle | xsdg: because it says Icewease in english on the fa entry |
| 03:50.33 | WormFood | well, I can't seem to find it on any of my menus...I expected to be able to add it to the panel |
| 03:50.33 | xsdg | Nyle: it says Iceweasel in english in all of them |
| 03:50.48 | Nyle | xsdg: see not in the klipperrc.desktop though |
| 03:51.04 | Nyle | xsdg: I can read arabic/farsi and I see firefox spelled out in arabic not english |
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| 03:51.11 | Nyle | which is the problem I face |
| 03:51.18 | Nyle | see what I mean? |
| 03:51.28 | WormFood | I saw something so funny, I just had to get a screenshot of it....and I can't find the damn screenshot utility/applet |
| 03:51.39 | xsdg | WormFood: I just use import from imagemagick |
| 03:52.46 | Nyle | Description[fa]=باز کردن با &فایرفاکس |
| 03:53.15 | WormFood | aw shit! I didn't even think to look at imagemagik or gimp....thanks xsdg |
| 03:53.24 | Nyle | باز کردن |
| 03:53.24 | xsdg | Nyle: what does that say? |
| 03:53.30 | Nyle | it says firefox in arabic |
| 03:53.34 | xsdg | Nyle: the whole thing |
| 03:53.34 | Nyle | thats just one example |
| 03:53.41 | Nyle | firefox se kholo |
| 03:53.43 | Nyle | in english |
| 03:53.45 | Nyle | open with firefox |
| 03:54.15 | Nyle | of course it doesn't display right when typed on an english locale |
| 03:54.16 | xsdg | Nyle: is it just with transliterated characters? |
| 03:54.20 | Nyle | its opposite direciton |
| 03:54.36 | Nyle | xsdg: I think so but i don't know exactly |
| 03:55.13 | Nyle | Description[pl]=Otwórz w &Firefoksie |
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| 03:55.22 | Nyle | for example, sed didn't catch this either |
| 03:55.31 | Nyle | I sed for 'Firefox' |
| 03:55.38 | Nyle | see thigns like that, translated so yeh i guess |
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| 03:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | while(<>){$Nyle=~ s/\n/, /g} |
| 03:57.46 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
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| 04:01.01 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I download files with amule and their filenames content spanish characters I cant see well that characters? (i.e. accents and ñ) |
| 04:01.10 | gonzaloaf | I use ext3 fs |
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| 04:02.48 | hi__ | hello, where is set the default, basic PATH environment variable for any apps to be launched? |
| 04:03.16 | hi__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.34 | \amethyst | hi__: /etc/login.defs and/or /etc/profile |
| 04:03.46 | hi__ | ok thanks |
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| 04:05.05 | \amethyst | what do you mean by "declared in pthread_mutex_trylock" ? |
| 04:05.07 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 04:13.27 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I see accented characters and spanish characters in file names into a ext3 filesystem? |
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| 04:21.48 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: are they not showing up correctly? What is your locale (do locale | grep CTYPE ) |
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| 04:38.06 | hdevalence | Why is apt-build in sid and etch but not in lenny? |
| 04:38.14 | Gm4n | Is there any way to view network interface use on my etch box? |
| 04:39.19 | \amethyst | !why is apt-build not in testing |
| 04:39.20 | dpkg | apt-build is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=apt-build |
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| 04:42.33 | hdevalence | darn. I was going to rice it up like the folks @ http://funroll-loops.info :( |
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| 04:48.51 | GuilhermeBrant | Hey I'm trying to rmeove some packages here,like epiphany browser,but if I remove then,gnome-desktop-environment will also be removed....is there any problem for me to remove it?I mean will it just remove the packages I don't want,or will it spoil my s.o? |
| 04:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: now that's an easy-to-remember-correctly and short factoid key :) |
| 04:52.15 | dondelelcaro | GuilhermeBrant: gnome-desktop-environment is just a meta package, so it's removal isn't a big deal. |
| 04:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, it's not one |
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| 04:53.11 | GuilhermeBrant | dondelelcaro k thanks |
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| 05:05.55 | icedtea | anyone have an executable called "lib"? |
| 05:06.10 | Gm4n | I can make one for you :P |
| 05:06.17 | liable | not here.. |
| 05:06.18 | Gm4n | (no) |
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| 05:09.52 | Gm4n | is there any way to see network usage (like I can use top to see CPU usage) |
| 05:10.14 | Gm4n | or even an overall usage, that's good enough for me |
| 05:10.26 | iter | bmon is easy |
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| 05:12.12 | Gm4n | thanks, iter! bmon is perfect! |
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| 05:18.15 | bangers | how do I disable reverse DNS checking in sendmail |
| 05:18.31 | bangers | I have a server trying to use a relay but relay is saying no because it cant reverse DNS the host |
| 05:18.52 | \amethyst | bangers: and you're reconfiguring the relay? |
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| 05:19.26 | dondelelcaro | bangers: so tell the relay to accept mail from that host anyway by using access or similar. |
| 05:19.30 | bangers | yes |
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| 05:19.59 | bangers | yep, but in this new server of sendmail i cant figure out how to create the allow ACCESS rule for my subnet |
| 05:20.05 | MrHeavy | Why does Debian's installer, on seemingly identical configurations, install LILO sometimes and GRUB others? |
| 05:20.35 | dondelelcaro | MrHeavy: if you don't do anything weird, it always installs grub. If you're in expert mode, it will ask you. |
| 05:20.47 | dondelelcaro | (that's obviously architecture dependent, of course) |
| 05:20.51 | gan | why not im able to compile squashfs |
| 05:21.02 | gan | how to patch the lzma |
| 05:21.03 | dondelelcaro | gan: you'll have to tell us; could be anything. |
| 05:21.28 | dondelelcaro | bangers: so 1.2.3.4 RELAY or similar in /etc/mail/access or whatever you're doing. |
| 05:21.29 | MrHeavy | I set up four servers a few weeks ago, with identical configurations for LVM on software RAID, and installed LILO on three of them and GRUB on one of the others |
| 05:21.33 | gan | dondelelcaro, what im not getting |
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| 05:22.20 | MrHeavy | I've had the same thing happen in VMware Server, except only one of my VMs ended up with LILO somehow |
| 05:22.49 | dondelelcaro | MrHeavy: which version of the installer were you using? Were you using expert mode? What's the software raid setup on the machines? |
| 05:23.51 | MrHeavy | Whatever the latest etch netinstall is, not in expert mode (I would have just chosen the same boot loader for all of them), with software RAID-1, a 256MB non-LVM /boot and swap and root on LVM |
| 05:24.41 | dondelelcaro | MrHeavy: well, I've set up a few dozen machines with that configuration using the 4.0r2 netinst images, and I've never seen it not install grub unless you explicitely tell it to or you've got a configuration that won't work with grub |
| 05:25.35 | bangers | dondelelcaro, I don't have /etc/mail/access - can I create it? |
| 05:25.50 | dondelelcaro | bangers: are you actually using sendmail? or postfix? or exim? |
| 05:26.00 | MrHeavy | dondelelcaro, I imagine it thinks the config can't work with GRUB, but it's weird, because it's the same config across all the machines |
| 05:26.05 | dondelelcaro | bangers: what does dpkg -l sendmail; say |
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| 05:29.37 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: btw, i don't know if you caught was I was saying earlier, but the patch would be incomplete |
| 05:29.42 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: that's fine |
| 05:29.50 | dondelelcaro | well, I don't know if it's fine, but it's better than nothing |
| 05:30.21 | Nyle | well I'm in #linguistics here and there, and trying to find ways to get the missing entries translated |
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| 05:30.33 | Nyle | its not an important bug so it can wait and take its time |
| 05:30.41 | Nyle | unless you prefer I send the patch in at this time |
| 05:31.11 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: and you think I ought to build the kdebase package with the patch to test it first? (really shouldn't have to since its just a config file) |
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| 05:33.00 | Nyle | my back hurts :( |
| 05:33.11 | SexyKen | Is KVM Over Lan and SOL over Lan completely different? |
| 05:33.14 | SexyKen | (IPMI) |
| 05:33.16 | bangers | dondelelcaro yep it's definately sendmail. I have sendmail.cf etc |
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| 05:34.33 | Gun_Smoke | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827269002 anyone use this? Think it will work? |
| 05:34.39 | gan | why not im able to compile squashfs it is always depending on the lzma what to do |
| 05:35.54 | dondelelcaro | bangers: if it's debian's sendmail, then it ships with an /etc/mail/access. |
| 05:36.11 | dondelelcaro | bangers: so if it's not there, you're not running Debian, and you should be asking in #sendmail, not here. |
| 05:36.19 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: please advise. |
| 05:36.40 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: up to you; the package maintainer will build it before he puts it in |
| 05:36.48 | Nyle | oh, word |
| 05:37.05 | Gun_Smoke | Nyle Nyle...... |
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| 05:38.03 | Nyle | hi |
| 05:38.14 | RaymondX | hello Nyle |
| 05:38.25 | Nyle | ... hi |
| 05:38.51 | Gun_Smoke | hehe.. better shape than last night.......... fun fun. |
| 05:39.00 | Nyle | what? |
| 05:39.15 | Gun_Smoke | nothing... |
| 05:39.33 | Gun_Smoke | Any ideas about the external burner? |
| 05:39.43 | Nyle | lots of ideas |
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| 05:39.56 | Gun_Smoke | Think it will work? |
| 05:40.00 | Nyle | if they sell it, I'm sure it will work |
| 05:40.08 | Nyle | if it doesn't you can always RMA it |
| 05:40.11 | Gun_Smoke | With debian. |
| 05:40.15 | Gun_Smoke | I saw that.. |
| 05:40.20 | Nyle | its a friggin optical device man |
| 05:40.25 | Nyle | yes, it will work |
| 05:40.58 | Gun_Smoke | Then its bought.. just lemme click..... yup done. |
| 05:41.01 | Nyle | only thing imo that matters is your ide channels |
| 05:41.12 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: (I didn't look at the link) |
| 05:41.18 | Gun_Smoke | dick. |
| 05:41.20 | Gun_Smoke | lol |
| 05:41.24 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: don't spend money because of my word |
| 05:41.35 | Nyle | I have no idea what I'm talking about |
| 05:41.41 | Gun_Smoke | I havent yet.. Still looking at google. |
| 05:41.41 | Nyle | ever, about anything. |
| 05:42.21 | Nyle | for example, below 2.6.18 my pata channels don't work |
| 05:42.43 | icedtea | whats the difference between files with an ending of .a and files ending with a .la? |
| 05:42.48 | Nyle | soo.. but yes, optical devices usually work on whatever |
| 05:42.50 | Gun_Smoke | check the link... What do you think? |
| 05:43.04 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: I can't see images in text browser |
| 05:43.11 | Nyle | just read the review |
| 05:43.21 | Nyle | see what people have to say about its quality |
| 05:43.33 | Gun_Smoke | running like a top on a mac.. |
| 05:43.34 | enouf | dondelelcaro: since you're around, what's the best way in your opinion to ask the maintainer of "lm-sensors" (in lenny/sid only) to perhaps add/use Suggests: i2c-tools ? I notice here http://packages.debian.org/sid/lm-sensors it mentions Suggests i2c and that's listed as not available. Plus the i2c-tools (is a branch i suppose) now contains the decode-dimms etc perl scripts that Etch's lm-sensors pkg contains (atleast an example) |
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| 05:43.58 | dondelelcaro | enouf: file a bug with a patch |
| 05:44.03 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:44.15 | Nyle | yeh, get to work |
| 05:44.16 | enouf | ooo k ;-) |
| 05:44.19 | Nyle | lazy bastidge |
| 05:44.41 | dondelelcaro | actually, scratch that; there's already a bug filed. |
| 05:44.56 | enouf | heh, it took e a few hours just to sort through that info i found out from various searching through packages, kernel docs, and google |
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| 05:45.20 | Nyle | enouf: life of a debianite isn't a walk in the park ;) |
| 05:45.40 | dondelelcaro | but yeah, submit a patch to change it to #460997 and any other bugs you can while you're at it. |
| 05:45.44 | Nyle | thats ubuntu holding your hand... debian is like the dog that chases a mailmain |
| 05:45.44 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:45.46 | enouf | this guy's on the money but he needs to update his page http://ornellas.apanela.com/dokuwiki/pub:spd |
| 05:45.59 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
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| 05:47.03 | RaymondX | is there a file manager much lighter than thunar? should i install nautilus? |
| 05:47.53 | Coweater | rox-filer |
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| 05:48.40 | RaymondX | Coweater: aaah the default file manager of DSL...let me try that..hehehe |
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| 05:49.17 | dondelelcaro | heh. file managers |
| 05:49.40 | Coweater | are you some sort of command line user? |
| 05:49.52 | enouf | xterm ftw |
| 05:50.00 | lero | hi. i have some machines that someone built. basically, debian woody with backported xen kernels from sarge and libc6 2.3.2. there's a way to downgrade to default glibc and kernel from woody? |
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| 05:50.21 | RaymondX | yep i am ...i'm using fluxbox on a striped-down debian |
| 05:50.27 | dondelelcaro | lero: uh... you want to upgrade to sarge and then to etch as rapidly as possible. |
| 05:50.42 | dondelelcaro | lero: woody doesn't have security fixes, and has known vulnerabilities. |
| 05:50.44 | sxealex | anyone know about .Xauthority and MIT-MAGIC-COOKIES? |
| 05:50.53 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: someone does; best to ask your question. |
| 05:50.53 | enouf | yep |
| 05:51.06 | sxealex | ok.... here goes |
| 05:51.22 | sxealex | i have a php script that is running a bash script as sudo... |
| 05:51.22 | RaymondX | *stripped |
| 05:51.40 | sxealex | the bash script runs a prog using DISPLAY=:0 |
| 05:51.43 | lero | dondelelcaro: yeah, i wanna do this, but, it's "production" machine and i don't if the application will f* (it has some zope programs running) :~ |
| 05:51.59 | sxealex | it was working fine... then stopped |
| 05:52.08 | lero | dondelelcaro: some postgresql instances too :/ |
| 05:52.26 | sxealex | errors are invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 |
| 05:52.31 | dondelelcaro | lero: well, you should duplicate it onto a non-production test machine, and test it. |
| 05:52.36 | sxealex | cannot acces X display |
| 05:52.48 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: uh... why in the world are you running a bash script using sudo from php? |
| 05:53.04 | enouf | sxealex: /msg dpkg Xauthority ..but your scipt might br busted or something, pastebin it |
| 05:53.09 | lero | dondelelcaro: to be honest, i prefer installing a clean etch install and them try to set up inside this machine :) |
| 05:53.14 | enouf | eww .. php? |
| 05:53.34 | sxealex | so i can have a webinterface to start a program |
| 05:53.54 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: but in any event, your error is that the key in .Xauthority doesn't match the keys of the currently running X server. |
| 05:53.58 | sxealex | ok im sshed in now ill try that |
| 05:54.12 | dondelelcaro | lero: well, upgrades really aren't a big deal in most cases, even in production. |
| 05:54.13 | sxealex | right i tried copying them to root etc |
| 05:54.23 | sxealex | and chmoding them |
| 05:54.26 | sxealex | no go |
| 05:54.26 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: what exactly are you trying to do, though? |
| 05:54.36 | sxealex | run a program on my other computer at work |
| 05:54.43 | sxealex | that is on the screen |
| 05:54.53 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: so ssh into the other computer and run it |
| 05:54.59 | sxealex | iyes |
| 05:55.02 | sxealex | yes* |
| 05:55.06 | sxealex | i dont have ssh everywhere |
| 05:55.10 | enouf | sxealex: please also read the man pages and docs, man xauth, and which release of Deboan are you running? |
| 05:55.18 | enouf | er debian |
| 05:55.18 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; best of luck |
| 05:55.26 | sxealex | ubuntu :-/ dont make fun of me :P |
| 05:55.35 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 05:55.46 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: you want to talk to #ubuntu, then. |
| 05:55.49 | sxealex | i did |
| 05:55.51 | sxealex | thanks |
| 05:55.57 | enouf | please ask in #ubuntu sxealex |
| 05:56.04 | sxealex | i did |
| 05:56.06 | sxealex | thanks |
| 05:56.16 | sxealex | no one can help me |
| 05:56.24 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: best to use their forums, then. |
| 05:56.30 | enouf | try mailing lists, forums and even ##linux |
| 05:56.41 | sxealex | i have found tons of stuff on forums |
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| 05:56.51 | sxealex | mmmk |
| 05:56.55 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, it's not on topic here. |
| 05:57.08 | reza_20 | hihi |
| 05:57.09 | sxealex | why isnt it? |
| 05:57.23 | dondelelcaro | sxealex: because this is #debian, not #ubuntu; if we were supporting ubuntu, we'd be in #ubuntu. |
| 05:57.31 | enouf | sxealex: /msg dpkg ubuntu, /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 05:58.15 | sxealex | ok... although im not sure how much this problem is debian distro specific |
| 05:58.20 | sxealex | but fair enough |
| 06:03.02 | enouf | sxealex: jfyi, scouring through googlegroups (usenet archives) can be fruitful sometimes - search using exact error |
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| 06:04.50 | sxealex | have done it but will be doing it some-more |
| 06:05.05 | sxealex | thinking maybe i can do a dpkg reconf of xauth |
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| 06:05.39 | sxealex | since it was working previously |
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| 06:09.13 | Nyle | mm |
| 06:09.14 | lero | this debian-update-4.0r2 is for upgrading from r0 or r1? |
| 06:09.22 | Nyle | the weedman will make a delivery tonight yipppy |
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| 06:09.53 | Nyle | r1 |
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| 06:12.52 | Nyle | !ping |
| 06:12.52 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:13.43 | Penix | Nyle: there's -offtopic for a reason |
| 06:18.22 | Nyle | yeh ... |
| 06:19.06 | Nyle | Penix: I don't let OT get in the way of supporting debian users. |
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| 06:20.13 | kuchcha | hey all |
| 06:20.30 | kuchcha | im now running ubuntu and want to install debian from HDD |
| 06:20.33 | Nyle | and kuchcha in my language means underwear |
| 06:20.34 | Nyle | ;) |
| 06:20.36 | kuchcha | whats de procedure? |
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| 06:20.47 | Nyle | kuchcha: very simple |
| 06:20.54 | Nyle | !tell kuchcha -about ig |
| 06:21.08 | Nyle | chapter 3,4,5 is what you want to concentrate on |
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| 06:21.33 | kuchcha | thanks nyle |
| 06:21.40 | kuchcha | i went through that before cming here |
| 06:21.48 | kuchcha | im asked to first edit GRUB |
| 06:22.06 | kuchcha | and in grub i specify the location of vmlinuz and init |
| 06:22.06 | Nyle | kuchcha: yes |
| 06:22.10 | Nyle | kuchcha: ok do this |
| 06:22.23 | kuchcha | but what about the cd iso? |
| 06:22.26 | Nyle | go to /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:22.44 | kuchcha | in which folder should i place the iso? |
| 06:22.52 | Nyle | download cd1 or the netinst iso and put it on a partition that will not be formatted during debian install |
| 06:23.21 | kuchcha | yes...i will do that... |
| 06:23.35 | kuchcha | but how will the installer/grub know where to load the iso from? |
| 06:23.40 | Nyle | next, download the hd-media kernel/initrd from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 06:23.45 | Nyle | or any other mirror |
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| 06:23.53 | kuchcha | i have downloaded that image too |
| 06:24.06 | Nyle | download initrd.gz and vmlinuz to /boot or / or whereever |
| 06:24.12 | Nyle | easy to just put them in / |
| 06:24.17 | kuchcha | ok.. |
| 06:24.22 | Nyle | cd / && sudo wget blah.file/etc. |
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| 06:24.35 | kuchcha | let us say i place them in /boot/newinstall |
| 06:24.43 | Nyle | next, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and do what the install guide says |
| 06:24.47 | kuchcha | and then i edit the menulst with these locations |
| 06:24.49 | Nyle | kuchcha: basically the procedure is as followes |
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| 06:24.51 | kuchcha | yes.... |
| 06:24.57 | Gruelius | tuxserver kernel: bio too big device md1 (248 > 128) |
| 06:25.01 | Nyle | you boot the special installer kernel/initrd, that uses a iso file on the disk to install from |
| 06:25.02 | Gruelius | is this an issue |
| 06:25.04 | kuchcha | where should i place cd1.iso? |
| 06:25.20 | Nyle | kuchcha: wherever, just make sure you don't format that partition during boot |
| 06:25.29 | Nyle | kuchcha: why |
| 06:25.35 | kuchcha | oh...will it automatically detect? |
| 06:25.36 | Nyle | I just would get the netinst iso and burn it |
| 06:25.39 | Nyle | very simple |
| 06:25.49 | Nyle | this is all crystal clear in the install guide bro |
| 06:25.52 | kuchcha | i want to install without buring a cd :-) |
| 06:26.00 | Nyle | kuchcha: fast internet? |
| 06:26.06 | Nyle | kuchcha: no need to download hd-media installer |
| 06:26.14 | Nyle | just get the netboot kernel/initrd |
| 06:26.23 | Nyle | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 06:26.26 | Nyle | here |
| 06:26.34 | kuchcha | oh.....ive downloaded the cd1.iso |
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| 06:27.02 | Nyle | and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 06:27.04 | Nyle | follow this |
| 06:27.23 | Nyle | I can't wlk you through it, its time to smoke a blunt with my roomate |
| 06:27.57 | kuchcha | haha.... |
| 06:27.59 | Nyle | ;) |
| 06:28.00 | kuchcha | thanks for the help |
| 06:28.05 | Nyle | no but serriously, its all right there man |
| 06:28.09 | kuchcha | nice to see a few indians here ;-) |
| 06:28.12 | Nyle | I was a total noob, I followd that, and it worked |
| 06:28.15 | Nyle | jangya |
| 06:28.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:28.19 | Nyle | also underwear |
| 06:28.23 | kuchcha | bbye |
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| 06:29.36 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:29.39 | Nyle | its not rolled yet |
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| 06:30.10 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
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| 06:30.42 | Nyle | cookie was rejected due to security issues |
| 06:31.07 | Gun_Smoke | No servers seed etch DVD torrents? |
| 06:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 06:31.33 | Nyle | puika: try not to paste irrelevent offtopic links in here please. |
| 06:31.48 | Nyle | Gun_Smoke: I'm sure some do |
| 06:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | perl manpages have 128983 lines |
| 06:31.50 | \amethyst | it's cross-channel spamvertising |
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| 06:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm, spam (yucc) |
| 06:32.21 | Nyle | \amethyst: hi |
| 06:32.31 | dondelelcaro | Gun_Smoke: you should be able to find a mirror where you can download the cd isos at line speed anyway. |
| 06:32.34 | \amethyst | Nyle: 'ello |
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| 06:32.58 | Gun_Smoke | dondelelcaro: I don't want the 25 cd's. |
| 06:33.35 | Nyle | fetch everything over the internet and setup your own mirror ;) |
| 06:33.44 | Nyle | downloading dvds man.. eh |
| 06:34.00 | Nyle | I wonder you could probbly fit all of debian on a bluray disc |
| 06:34.02 | Gruelius | tuxserver kernel: bio too big device md1 (248 > 128), is this bad? |
| 06:34.13 | Gun_Smoke | All 4 etch dvd iso's can't climb higher than 10KB combined.. |
| 06:34.20 | Nyle | 10kb? |
| 06:34.25 | Nyle | what? |
| 06:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | with verrry good compression :) |
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| 06:35.14 | dondelelcaro | Gun_Smoke: there are mirrors where you can download the DVDs at upwards of 11M/s. |
| 06:35.36 | dondelelcaro | so if you're downloading them at 10K/s, pick a better one |
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| 06:36.23 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: heh |
| 06:36.28 | Nyle | we wish |
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| 06:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was the name of that real-time OS again ... where they made this great floppy disk with the OS on it for demonstration? |
| 06:37.27 | Nyle | qnx |
| 06:37.29 | Nyle | QNX |
| 06:37.38 | Nyle | its pretty badass dude |
| 06:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, qnx |
| 06:38.26 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:38.35 | Nyle | I don't have a floppy drive but I have the floppies |
| 06:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | "fit all of debian on a floppy disk - and have 1MB free space left" |
| 06:38.36 | Gun_Smoke | dondelelcaro: I want them via torrent, capped at around 1/2 my pipe for however long it takes.. All 4 at once.. wget isn't doing me any favors there. |
| 06:38.36 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 06:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gun_Smoke: aget? |
| 06:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | not torrent, though |
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| 06:40.53 | se7en | CutMeOwnThroat: what is aget? |
| 06:41.47 | Nyle | use wget and use a bandwidth shaper |
| 06:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | se7en: "apt-cache show aget"? |
| 06:41.50 | Nyle | wondershaper might do it |
| 06:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | trickle? |
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| 06:42.05 | Nyle | I would just hurry up and download at line speed |
| 06:42.18 | Nyle | heh, I was about to say wonderbra |
| 06:42.20 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 06:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, that won't work - then you can't pass the time waiting for it with online gaming |
| 06:42.47 | Nyle | what |
| 06:42.48 | Nyle | no nethack? |
| 06:42.51 | Nyle | lamers ;) |
| 06:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! 1st time I see that GPL indeed has a positive influence |
| 06:45.50 | Gun_Smoke | My line is pegged at around 80K/s |
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| 06:46.18 | simonrvn | up or down? |
| 06:46.24 | Gun_Smoke | d |
| 06:46.31 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 06:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, tell a lie - they must have decided that themselves |
| 06:47.29 | Gun_Smoke | wget thinks ~15hrs for 1st DVD |
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| 06:48.05 | kuchcha | hey |
| 06:48.16 | kuchcha | i download debian amd64 cd 1 .iso |
| 06:48.26 | kuchcha | and also the initrd and vmlinuz images |
| 06:48.37 | kuchcha | im trying to do a HDD install using grub |
| 06:48.47 | kuchcha | i edited grub as indicated in the gide |
| 06:48.59 | kuchcha | i get an error message saying no installation media found |
| 06:49.14 | kuchcha | where can i find the initrd/vmlinuz specific to this? |
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| 06:51.40 | simonrvn | the -hd-media stuff like the guide says |
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| 06:54.19 | kuchcha | or should i download the one for cdrom |
| 06:54.25 | kuchcha | as im using cd1.iso |
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| 06:55.10 | simonrvn | i've used the business card iso with the hd-media stuff |
| 06:55.35 | kuchcha | oh..oka |
| 06:55.42 | kuchcha | le me try and get back |
| 06:55.50 | kuchcha | where shld i place the .iso file? |
| 06:56.10 | simonrvn | i've used full cd 1, that, and netinst. they all work ok |
| 06:56.25 | simonrvn | on the hdd you're booting from... this is in the install guide |
| 06:56.36 | kuchcha | any specific folder? |
| 06:56.59 | kuchcha | and do i need to download boot.img.gz? |
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| 06:57.39 | icesword | yeah,hi |
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| 07:01.10 | icesword | what command should i use to compress some file to .tar.bz2 |
| 07:01.10 | icesword | anyone still awake here? |
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| 07:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "tar -cvjf file.tar.bz2"? |
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| 07:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | "some file"? |
| 07:02.11 | kuchcha | hey |
| 07:02.21 | kuchcha | im trying to install debian from hd-media |
| 07:02.37 | wols_ | kuchcha: we know, we can read logs |
| 07:02.40 | kuchcha | im getting error 17: unabe to mount selected partition |
| 07:03.05 | wols_ | then grub can't find its program fiiles |
| 07:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no, I'm asleep - hitting keys in a more-or-less random way with my nose while snoring (which you interpret as sentences) |
| 07:03.13 | wols_ | you misinstalled grub |
| 07:03.30 | kuchcha | hmmm.....but im suing the same grub to login into ubuntu now |
| 07:03.44 | wols_ | qwhat are you doing exactly? |
| 07:04.07 | kuchcha | i have downloaded cd1.iso initrd and vmlinuz from debian ftp |
| 07:04.34 | kuchcha | put them in /boot/debian and edited grub with locations of initrd and vmlinuz as given in the guide |
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| 07:04.48 | wols_ | how EXACTLY did you edit it |
| 07:05.34 | kuchcha | itle Debianroot (hd0,0)kernel /boot/debian/vmlinuzinitrd /boot/debian/initrd.gz |
| 07:05.53 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
| 07:06.03 | wols_ | on which parttion is that new kernel? |
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| 07:06.22 | kuchcha | it is in the same in which ubuntu is installed |
| 07:06.44 | kuchcha | im plannin to install in a different partition(actully freespace of 10GB) |
| 07:07.05 | wols_ | either you answer what I asked you or you solve your own problems. what'S it gonna be? |
| 07:07.09 | anonymouse | Is there any way to get apt-get to ignore a particular dependency? I only see --ignore-depends for dpkg, but I can't make apt-get leave it alone |
| 07:07.18 | wols_ | anonymouse: there isn't |
| 07:07.21 | kuchcha | sorry... |
| 07:07.28 | anonymouse | AUGH |
| 07:07.36 | anonymouse | WRYYY |
| 07:07.46 | kuchcha | the new kernel is in the same partition as the existing ubuntu installation |
| 07:07.47 | wols_ | !wayttd anonymouse |
| 07:07.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, anonymouse? |
| 07:08.07 | anonymouse | wols_, |
| 07:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | anonymouse: hurts? |
| 07:08.19 | jbt | http://pastebin.ca/904757 any idea why it can't create that file? |
| 07:08.28 | jbt | it drops me to initramfs |
| 07:08.36 | anonymouse | i can't use the lighttpd debian package, so i just install it from source. no prob. |
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| 07:08.45 | anonymouse | but cgiirc depends on a web server |
| 07:08.47 | kuchcha | !wayttd wols_ |
| 07:08.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, wols_? |
| 07:09.02 | wols_ | jbt: /dev/.static/dev is never a valid device file, it's a directory |
| 07:09.04 | anonymouse | so that package keeps trying to helpfully install apache |
| 07:09.05 | dondelelcaro | jbt: most likely you've got the wrong root specified. |
| 07:09.07 | Wyzard | anonymouse: That's what the "equivs" package is for |
| 07:09.16 | Wyzard | anonymouse: but why can't you use Debian's lighttpd? |
| 07:09.41 | anonymouse | not compiled with options i need |
| 07:09.48 | dondelelcaro | anonymouse: which options? |
| 07:09.53 | wols_ | anonymouse: you can build your own .deb |
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| 07:10.01 | wols_ | very easily even |
| 07:10.16 | anonymouse | the official lighty build used to have really poor deb support |
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| 07:10.28 | jbt | dondelelcaro, but nothing has change, though I had search google it has something with udev |
| 07:10.40 | GarryFre | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.41 | dondelelcaro | anonymouse: right, which is why you use the Debian packages, but modify how they call configure |
| 07:10.45 | wols_ | jbt: /dev/.static/dev is a directory, not a device file |
| 07:10.55 | anonymouse | also debian uses .13 and i need lighty .18 |
| 07:11.06 | wols_ | !info lighthttpd sid |
| 07:11.09 | dondelelcaro | anonymouse: unstable has .18, which you can compile against stable. |
| 07:11.10 | GarryFre | using lenny btw |
| 07:11.17 | anonymouse | in short, my level of package-fu is at 2 and needs to be like 6 |
| 07:11.49 | wols_ | GarryFre: build your own nvidia package |
| 07:11.59 | Wyzard | anonymouse: You don't have to package the whole thing yourself |
| 07:12.16 | dondelelcaro | anonymouse: you just need to modify how debian/rules calls configure, and run fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 07:12.24 | Wyzard | anonymouse: You can take the source of the Debian lighttpd package, make whatever configuration changes you need, and then build the package from that |
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| 07:12.37 | anonymouse | hms |
| 07:12.49 | jbt | wols_, but it should be created by init-bottom right? any idea how to approach this? |
| 07:12.54 | GarryFre | wols_ Tried, using the Nivida installer from Nvidia but when I reboot, it's all gone. |
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| 07:13.08 | wols_ | jbt: ask the lighttpd folks, not us. it's their script |
| 07:13.10 | anonymouse | how can i poke the package config to get just that one source package from unstable |
| 07:13.23 | Penix | anonymouse: just grab it manually from packages.d.o |
| 07:13.23 | wols_ | GarryFre: you didn't try. we don 't support nvidia installers |
| 07:13.30 | anonymouse | ok Penix |
| 07:13.34 | dondelelcaro | anonymouse: or add a single deb-src line to your sources.list for unstable. |
| 07:13.35 | wols_ | GarryFre: you create the debs from nvifia-graphics-drivers |
| 07:13.39 | anonymouse | you guys rule btw |
| 07:14.01 | anonymouse | i've been struggling for hours before i thought to see if there was a better way to do it |
| 07:14.16 | GarryFre | wols_ ok, I'll try to find out how to do that. It's been so long since I've done that. |
| 07:14.17 | anonymouse | i hate having to "fight" the package system you know? |
| 07:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | GarryFre: "using the Nivida installer" != "build a package" |
| 07:14.30 | wols_ | anonymouse: you have two choices, equivs and the backport. the backport is probably easier and definitely cleaner |
| 07:14.32 | GarryFre | ?? |
| 07:14.36 | dondelelcaro | anonymouse: pretty much any time you're fighting the packaging system in Debian, you're doing something wrong. |
| 07:14.48 | wols_ | GarryFre: the ght nvidia-graphics-driver source and buipldpackage it |
| 07:14.54 | jbt | wols_, :D |
| 07:15.00 | wols_ | !tell GarryFre nvidia_post_etch |
| 07:15.09 | GarryFre | ght or glx? |
| 07:15.14 | wols_ | anonymouse: and whenever you do that you lose |
| 07:15.35 | wols_ | !tell GarryFre about nvidia_post_etch |
| 07:15.35 | GarryFre | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 07:15.36 | dpkg | [nvidia_post_etch] update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:15.38 | wols_ | litage: thank you |
| 07:15.52 | anonymouse | dondelelcaro: certainly so. but i came (long ago) from "do it yourself" distributions. so i have had to unlearn a lot of bad habits |
| 07:15.56 | liable | ;) |
| 07:16.08 | litage | liable: hahah our nicks haven't been mixed up in ages, eh |
| 07:16.16 | dondelelcaro | GarryFre: or just m-a a-i nvidia-kernel or whatever |
| 07:16.20 | wols_ | litage: how about you handle the typing for me |
| 07:16.22 | anonymouse | but i am willing to get better you know |
| 07:16.30 | liable | litage: i know, it was a frequent occurage for a while there |
| 07:16.30 | litage | liable: =P |
| 07:16.46 | GarryFre | trying something bot gave me about nvidia_post_etch |
| 07:17.00 | litage | liable: it hasn't happened for a while cuz i haven't been connected often since 2007 |
| 07:17.13 | dondelelcaro | anonymouse: yeah, you'll get there. Basically once you start adminning more than a few dozen machines you'll stop doing things inefficiently. |
| 07:17.33 | liable | litage: ya, havent seen you much |
| 07:17.36 | dondelelcaro | (or you'll go terminally insane) |
| 07:17.37 | GarryFre | brb I hope. |
| 07:19.10 | litage | liable: i quit my job and have been living in Mac OS X since january, so haven't really felt the need to connect |
| 07:19.28 | litage | liable: i hope you enjoyed the lack of name mixups while i was gone! |
| 07:20.01 | liable | yes, go back to your mac :P |
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| 07:24.33 | Pete_B | I'd like a single sign-on solution for Debian workstations. I've plenty of experience setting up Samba domains for Windows. I've so far researched how to integrate the Debian into the Samba domain, but am I missing the point trying to do it that way? |
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| 07:27.18 | sep | Pete_B, I am using samba+ldap windows uses the samba part, but linux machines uses libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap (the ldap directly) |
| 07:27.28 | anonymouse | I can do my own ./configure, but that will get overwritten when i build the package won't it? |
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| 07:27.58 | sep | Pete_B, check out the debian-edu CCD for a out of the cd preconfigured system with all of that configured. |
| 07:28.34 | sep | Pete_B, once you have the ldap up, you can authenticate all kinds of stuff against it. |
| 07:28.46 | Pete_B | sep: I tried the PAM/NSS LDAP things on a false start a couple of years ago, it seemed a bit fiddly and flaky and unsupported. I'll take another look |
| 07:28.51 | anonymouse | ah. i see how this works, nm |
| 07:29.07 | arussel | /wc |
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| 07:29.17 | Pete_B | I was disappointed with Debian Edu, but for other reasons because it didn;t have a suite of educational software pre-installed in the way edubuntu does |
| 07:29.28 | Pete_B | sep: I'll take a look at debian edu too then, thanks |
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| 07:30.34 | Pete_B | sep: do you have any recommended docs on the web about the libpam/nss and LDAP? |
| 07:30.36 | sep | Pete_B, it didnd ? it does here. |
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| 07:31.21 | sinofacop | how is debian better than ubuntu etc? |
| 07:31.30 | sep | Pete_B, try aptitude search education- i belived those was mostly preinstalled (depending on if you use a netinstall and dvd ofcourse) but they should be fairly quick to get afterwards tool |
| 07:31.31 | wols_ | !why debian |
| 07:31.32 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 07:32.21 | Pete_B | sep: I'll have another look at it |
| 07:33.09 | sep | Pete_B, hum i usualy read whats in the /usr/share/doc/* |
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| 07:34.34 | sep | Pete_B, feel free to give feedback on debian-edu@lists.debian.org or #debian-edu on irc.debian.org irc network. |
| 07:34.35 | GarryFre | Thanks Wols_ and others. that fixed my Nvidia thing right up. I saved the info. |
| 07:35.16 | Pete_B | sep: I went to their channel, asked why it didn't come with a pre-installed suite of educational software and got absolutely zero answer so gave up |
| 07:35.19 | Pete_B | sep: do you have Debian mounting the Samba shares on login for individuals using CIFS to connect, or share the same locations from the server using NFS or something? |
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| 07:35.43 | sep | Pete_B, libnss have had some issues. it scales poorly so more then some 1000 machines and you'r in problems on the ldap server. but it's better for lenny afaik |
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| 07:36.00 | GarryFre | wols_ Thanks! That fixed it right up. :D |
| 07:36.05 | Pete_B | sep; I only have about 10 users at each site |
| 07:36.27 | sep | nfs using autofs (with the mount information in ldap) for linux, samba is used for windows only. |
| 07:36.35 | sep | but you can ofcourse tweak it as you wish |
| 07:37.35 | sinofacop | i downloaded 3 dvds of debian and somehow i massed up installation and installed only desktop environment. how can i install all 3 dvds and update of debian ? after installing debian? |
| 07:38.08 | sep | Pete_B, you must have hit a bad time, there are ususaly more people there. here is the source for the documentation, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch |
| 07:38.08 | Pete_B | sep: the Samba people once told me that they intended Samba as the universal file system, which is why I've always tried to get things working that way; also because I thought it more elegant I was trying to just have the one software on the server for the job . I'll checkout autofs |
| 07:38.26 | epsilon | sinofacop: you don't install all content of 3 DVDs |
| 07:38.36 | wols_ | sinofacop: you cannot install all 3 DVDs fully. you can only install 1 MTA for example. but debian ships with a dozen |
| 07:38.43 | wols_ | sinofacop: just install whatever you want |
| 07:38.48 | wols_ | !tell sinofacop about apt howto |
| 07:38.56 | sep | sinofacop, you can't install everything. it's multiple implementations of the same thing, you have to choose what car to drive today :) |
| 07:39.18 | epsilon | .oO what do you want to drive today? |
| 07:39.28 | wols_ | sinofacop: what do you want to install spcificially? |
| 07:39.33 | Pete_B | maybe sinofacop means integrate the 3 DVDs into sources.list |
| 07:39.56 | sinofacop | wols_ i havn't even installed full contents of first dvd and in synaptic pakage maneger it wants to download from the internet!!! how can i download from hard drive? |
| 07:39.59 | sinofacop | or cd? |
| 07:40.16 | wols_ | !tell sinofacop about sources.list |
| 07:40.17 | epsilon | edit the /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:41.00 | Pete_B | sinofacop: if you're using GNOME, checkout Desktop -> Administration -> Software Properties |
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| 07:41.22 | Pete_B | sinofacop: for the same thing epsilon is talking about |
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| 07:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually more like |
| 07:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-cdrom |
| 07:42.16 | dpkg | hmm... apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
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| 07:44.02 | murlox | how come this thread (see "link") is never being addressed? link: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389145 |
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| 07:44.16 | epsilon | BTW, a local mirror of one arch on a harddrive is better than 3 DVDs, same size, but can play installation source for ehole LAN |
| 07:44.28 | GarryFre | Microsoft:Where do you want go nuts at today? |
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| 07:45.40 | epsilon | I had a bootloader with background pic saying 'what do you want to boot today' on a linux/widows dual boot system once |
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| 07:45.56 | Pete_B | murlox: do you know OpenOffice 2.3.1 is available from backports.org? |
| 07:46.45 | murlox | Pete_B: err, I'm using 2.3.1, and the bug still occurs |
| 07:47.29 | Pete_B | murlox: you didn;t say that in the bug. you should ask in the bug why there isn't any progress. you might find there is but they'll only mention in th ebug when it's fixed |
| 07:48.06 | Nyle | hi |
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| 07:48.38 | murlox | Pete_B: I see, I thought the openoffice-gtk team posted the progress directly on the bug post |
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| 07:49.25 | Pete_B | murlox: then you know more than me. I'm saying what I see usually with bugs in general. |
| 07:50.17 | Nyle | dpkg: I bow before your seemingly infinite knowledge |
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| 07:51.43 | murlox | Pete_B: I guess the openoffice-gtk team don't really care about cosmetic issue |
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| 07:51.48 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
| 07:51.54 | Nyle | I have a question, the hfsplus package postinst script doesn't insert the hfsplus module by default |
| 07:51.59 | Nyle | why? |
| 07:52.09 | Nyle | weird... |
| 07:52.33 | Pete_B | murlox: you can't necessarily deduct that from their silence |
| 07:52.41 | Pete_B | deduce |
| 07:53.16 | Nyle | I am trying to mount a mac osx hdd from his pc on my pc, I have it hooked up through usb to ide adapter |
| 07:53.24 | nepali | where icons are stored in debian system |
| 07:53.27 | Nyle | fdisk -l reports Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 07:53.48 | Nyle | is it still safe to try to mount it ro as hfsplus? |
| 07:54.02 | Nyle | (the data on the hdd is very important) |
| 07:54.03 | wols_ | Nyle: what has the partition table to do with a filesystem module? |
| 07:54.17 | Pete_B | murlox: but yeah, consider how often the Debian openoffice page is updated at http://openoffice.debian.net/ |
| 07:54.18 | Nyle | wols_: I don't know, that is why I asked |
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| 07:54.22 | wols_ | if there is no partition table, how can it be mounted? (the partition= |
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| 07:54.45 | Nyle | yeh so what do I do |
| 07:54.46 | wols_ | where is the disk from, how was it formatted/inatalled? |
| 07:55.03 | wols_ | you find out what kind of partition table it is. if it's from a intel mac, it's probably GTP |
| 07:55.06 | wols_ | *GPT |
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| 07:55.14 | Pete_B | murlox: last updated 2006-10-03, for the package that I expect for most Debian users is the most used package along with Firefox/Icedove |
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| 07:55.38 | Nyle | its not an intel mac |
| 07:55.39 | Nyle | its a g4 machine |
| 07:55.41 | Nyle | desktop |
| 07:55.54 | Nyle | I took the hdd out and I need to read the data off of it |
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| 07:56.29 | Nyle | OS X (don't know exactly which version) |
| 07:57.01 | Nyle | there were 2 hdd in the system, could they have been in some sort of an lvm? |
| 07:57.22 | Nyle | if so, how would I find out? |
| 07:58.32 | wols_ | dump 64kB with dd from the hdd (first sector onward) and look |
| 07:59.04 | Nyle | Disk identifier: 0x00000000 (dunno if this matters) |
| 07:59.09 | Nyle | wols_: ok |
| 07:59.16 | wols_ | it's called "apple partition table" |
| 07:59.21 | wols_ | so it needs a special one |
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| 08:00.02 | wols_ | since debian can run on G4 macs, there is a way to access it |
| 08:00.11 | gynterk | how to use LCD+CRT on laptop ? |
| 08:00.14 | gynterk | deb lenny |
| 08:00.15 | wols_ | look in your kernel source. it has support for different partition tables |
| 08:00.30 | wols_ | might need to compile it in |
| 08:01.05 | Nyle | damnit |
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| 08:01.37 | gynterk | Compal EAL51 |
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| 08:05.43 | chance2105 | In Lenny, I install usplash and then uninstalled it. After the uninstall, X no longer starts. |
| 08:05.56 | gynterk | logs please |
| 08:06.22 | mark17 | is it possible to get statistics (when i use snmpd) for every IP listed on that server? (i use rrdtool/cacti as front end for the statistics) |
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| 08:06.31 | chance2105 | I belive it updated my initramfs; I get a framebuffer before my /etc/modules are loaded (which starts my normal framebuffer). How do I rebuild the original initramfs? |
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| 08:06.56 | anonymouse | darn it all... something's still not good enough about the debian lighty install |
| 08:07.05 | anonymouse | my fastcgi's die |
| 08:07.15 | anonymouse | but if i do a make install (from the source) it's fine |
| 08:07.57 | anonymouse | not that it's debian's fault.. |
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| 08:12.55 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:13.27 | taddis | Hi, I got a question regarding encodings and apache. I have two servers set up one server shows me the correct encoding (utf-8). But the the other one only shows me rubrish characters and it seems like all my new installations of debian etch gives me the same problem while the older ones doesnt have that. Anyone who can point me to some documentation or tell me whats going on :)? |
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| 08:13.46 | taddis | you can see it here: http://www.kupongshoppen.se/fjuk.html and http://www.taddis.com/fjuk.html |
| 08:14.03 | Nyle | wols_: I think its already built in the kernel |
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| 08:14.13 | dimir | apache web server does not care about the encoding. |
| 08:14.14 | Nyle | wols_: /proc/filesystems reports seeing hfsplus |
| 08:14.24 | dimir | you set it up yourself. |
| 08:14.34 | taddis | so it takes the system wide encoding? |
| 08:14.41 | wols_ | Nyle: mount it read only then |
| 08:14.53 | dimir | In your HTML code or in apache configuration you tell which encoding is default for which type of document. |
| 08:14.58 | wols_ | if it can, it does. could be fdisk dosen't unedrstand apple paruition tables which is likely |
| 08:15.26 | taddis | Well I have <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> on both but they show different |
| 08:16.20 | Wyzard | taddis: That's interpreted by the browser, not the server |
| 08:16.23 | dimir | Hmm, that should be enough. |
| 08:16.44 | Nyle | wols_: fdisk -l still report it as not having a valid parition table |
| 08:17.02 | Nyle | wols_: I installed the hfsplus package and modprobed the hfs/hfsplus modules |
| 08:17.25 | taddis | hmm, ok. So there is some setting in apache conf files to tell what encoding to use? |
| 08:17.39 | Nyle | wols_: or does it still depend on the Apple Macintosh file system support Device Drivers, File Systems, and Miscellaneous filesystems |
| 08:17.42 | Nyle | ? |
| 08:17.46 | Nyle | I really don't feel like making a kernel tonight |
| 08:17.48 | Nyle | :( |
| 08:18.08 | Nyle | !ping |
| 08:18.08 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:18.20 | Nyle | Lag: 6.78 |
| 08:18.35 | wols_ | of course to mount hfs you need hfs support, duh! |
| 08:18.45 | wols_ | and if /proc/partitions sees it you are golden |
| 08:18.47 | Nyle | but I thought the kernel module should be enough |
| 08:18.51 | wols_ | if not, you have a problem |
| 08:19.04 | Nyle | but why does fdisk -l report Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 08:19.46 | wols_ | CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION=y |
| 08:19.51 | wols_ | that's in debian 2.6.18 |
| 08:19.55 | Nyle | yup |
| 08:20.00 | Wyzard | Nyle: According to the manpage, fdisk supports "DOS type partition tables and BSD or SUN type disklabels" |
| 08:20.01 | Nyle | thats what i said |
| 08:20.24 | Nyle | Wyzard: oh... so its a limitation on fdisk's part |
| 08:20.35 | Nyle | ? |
| 08:20.39 | Wyzard | Nyle: Try parted maybe |
| 08:20.50 | dimir | taddis: these pages are encoded in UTF-8? |
| 08:21.01 | Wyzard | Nyle: apt-cache show parted |
| 08:21.01 | Nyle | hmm, so if i just try to mount /dev/hdc(no number here) what would be the result? |
| 08:21.10 | Nyle | ok |
| 08:21.13 | Wyzard | Nyle: There's also a gparted |
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| 08:21.52 | Nyle | 10 135MB 80.0GB 79.9GB hfs+ Apple_HFS_Untitled_1 |
| 08:21.55 | Nyle | thank you! |
| 08:22.02 | Nyle | you are the man! and you too wols_ |
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| 08:22.16 | Ramattack | Helo mates! |
| 08:22.52 | Nyle | Wyzard: one more thing... I would mount it as /dev/sdc10? |
| 08:23.04 | Ramattack | when do you mainly need to recompile libc or another structural parts of you're OS? I think not for increasing file descriptors for example... but when increasing inode max? or don't know... when? |
| 08:23.08 | Nyle | er.. from? |
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| 08:23.18 | Wyzard | Nyle: I don't know what that 10 in the first column means, if that's what you're asking |
| 08:23.25 | Nyle | Wyzard: seems partition # |
| 08:23.26 | Wyzard | Nyle: Look in /proc/partitions |
| 08:23.39 | Wyzard | Nyle: I've never used a Mac partition table |
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| 08:23.50 | Nyle | me too |
| 08:23.53 | Nyle | er.. neither. |
| 08:24.14 | Nyle | lets try it ro |
| 08:24.28 | clusty | is there any easier method to mount files over ftp than using lufs? |
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| 08:25.30 | jelly-home | clusty: hm, lufs is old. fuse is the replacement. |
| 08:25.31 | clusty | any way to use fuse for it? |
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| 08:25.37 | clusty | :D |
| 08:25.47 | jelly-home | clusty: curlftpfs is one that I know of |
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| 08:26.05 | wols_ | yes FUSE has a ftp filesystem module |
| 08:26.17 | Nyle | yup |
| 08:26.22 | Nyle | good news, its mounted |
| 08:26.28 | clusty | any clue how to use it? |
| 08:26.43 | Nyle | sweet, didn't have to wait to build a kernel |
| 08:26.57 | jelly-home | clusty: just like any other fuse filesystem? |
| 08:27.11 | clusty | jelly, with ssh i use sshmount |
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| 08:27.19 | clusty | there is nmop such thing as ftpmopunt :D |
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| 08:28.03 | jelly-home | clusty: sorry, not going to look at the contents of the package and find the binary name for you |
| 08:28.50 | clusty | jelly, found it. thanks. can use directly fusermount |
| 08:28.59 | jelly-home | with "sshfs" the binary is called sshfs. With ntfs-3g, "ntfs-3g". Hopefully one notices a pattern |
| 08:29.30 | zinx | jelly-home: i dont get it |
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| 08:31.08 | taddis | dimir: yes, I've tried both utf-8 and iso-8859-1 |
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| 08:31.57 | taddis | and now I've tried to set "php_value default_encoding utf-8" in apache conf. But that doesnt do it either... |
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| 08:34.41 | vlatko | taddis: what r u tring to do? |
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| 08:35.40 | taddis | Im trying to get swedish characters with utf-8 in apache2. |
| 08:35.55 | taddis | My etch server just give me rubrish |
| 08:35.57 | vlatko | php and my sql? |
| 08:36.11 | taddis | well in this case its just a simple plain .html file |
| 08:36.18 | taddis | http://deepblue.websidorna.com/fjuk.html |
| 08:36.27 | taddis | not that one |
| 08:36.39 | taddis | http://www.kupongshoppen.se/fjuk.html |
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| 08:36.52 | taddis | But on another server everyting works... |
| 08:37.00 | dimir | taddis: your page seems not be in UTF |
| 08:37.02 | taddis | http://www.taddis.com/fjuk.html same file |
| 08:37.02 | dimir | $ curl -s http://www.kupongshoppen.se/fjuk.html | grep '<body>' -A1 | tail -n1 |
| 08:37.02 | dimir | ��� |
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| 08:37.17 | wols_ | taddis: locales is set to what? |
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| 08:37.24 | dimir | $ curl -s http://www.taddis.com/fjuk.html | grep '<body>' -A1 | tail -n1 |
| 08:37.24 | dimir | ��� |
| 08:37.28 | taddis | oh |
| 08:37.52 | dimir | locale on the server, I assume. |
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| 08:38.23 | igral | hi |
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| 08:38.27 | dimir | Hoi |
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| 08:38.37 | Akatemik | taddis: The "correct" one isn't utf-8 |
| 08:38.51 | Akatemik | It's latin as can be clearly seen from page meta data |
| 08:38.52 | dimir | ye, they both seems not be utf-8. |
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| 08:39.08 | dimir | So, it's PEBKAC. |
| 08:39.09 | dimir | :-P |
| 08:39.11 | Akatemik | Second one is utf-8, but the characters aren't just sensible in that encoding |
| 08:39.22 | wols_ | that's his point. he wants it to be utf8 but apache doesn't give him utf8... |
| 08:39.34 | taddis | hmm I'm confused :| |
| 08:39.36 | igral | ich benutze den ngix als proxy um von einem rechner welcher nur ein dyndns adresse hat um von dort aus ne seite darzustellen |
| 08:39.44 | wols_ | !tell igral about de |
| 08:39.58 | igral | oh sorry |
| 08:40.04 | igral | wrong channel :) |
| 08:40.08 | dimir | taddis: just make sure both pages are utf-8 encoded. |
| 08:40.21 | Akatemik | wols_: The one he's complaining about gives him tf-8 |
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| 08:40.28 | Akatemik | But his html file isn't in that encoding |
| 08:40.35 | wols_ | cause debian etch uses utf-8 by default |
| 08:40.36 | taddis | How do I do that.. I mean I scp the file over from my workstation to the two servers. |
| 08:40.44 | wols_ | !tell taddis about locales |
| 08:40.51 | Akatemik | taddis: Convert with iconv on the "faulty" server and it shold be ok |
| 08:41.00 | dimir | taddis: on your workstation, fill file with UTF-8 encoded text |
| 08:41.04 | dimir | not some other. |
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| 08:41.24 | taddis | My ZDE saves it in utf-8, at least it says so. |
| 08:41.28 | taddis | Zend devel.. |
| 08:41.39 | clusty | still having trouble with fuse: fusermount ftpfs:\\admin@192.168.178.100 backup/ gives fusermount: old style mounting not supported |
| 08:41.44 | Akatemik | Doesn't look like it, when it shows correctly with latin-1 |
| 08:41.56 | dimir | yep |
| 08:42.11 | zinx | clusty: so don't use old-style mounting? |
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| 08:42.27 | dimir | iconv -f latin-1 -t utf-8 fjuk.html > fjuk_utf-8.html |
| 08:42.29 | Akatemik | taddis: file <html-file> should give the encoding of any text files |
| 08:42.30 | zinx | clusty: also, \ is almost certainly the wrong character to use even if you *are* using old-style mounting |
| 08:42.51 | zinx | clusty: man ftpfs |
| 08:42.55 | clusty | so whats old style mountinG |
| 08:42.57 | clusty | g |
| 08:43.05 | clusty | and how to make it newer? :D |
| 08:43.45 | zinx | clusty: man ftpfs |
| 08:44.21 | Akatemik | Also third link from google shows the answer |
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| 08:45.03 | zinx | !be a fuse barbie |
| 08:45.04 | dpkg | Aww, fuse is HARD! Let's go shopping, zinx |
| 08:45.11 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:45.25 | Nyle | this is cool |
| 08:45.28 | NetEcho | anyone here know of any good resources for using Debian to setup a NAS? |
| 08:45.43 | Nyle | minor annoyance, didni't specify any gid/uid while mounting, now I'm having to copy as root |
| 08:45.46 | Nyle | heh |
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| 08:47.08 | Nyle | well I coul have just remounted oh w/e I'm baked |
| 08:47.27 | Nyle | its cool though, I got 400$ for this data recovery job |
| 08:47.28 | Nyle | hehe |
| 08:47.35 | Nyle | ny kicks ass |
| 08:47.44 | Nyle | these people will pay out the ass |
| 08:48.31 | wols_ | Nyle: mac users :) |
| 08:48.49 | Nyle | yeh, if they can afford a MAC they can afford to pay this much for service hehehe |
| 08:48.59 | wols_ | they pay for overpriced hw so paying for overpriced maintentaince is no big deal :P |
| 08:49.13 | Akatemik | Overpriced hw my ass |
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| 08:49.37 | Akatemik | But that's off topic |
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| 08:54.28 | Nyle | and do you have any earthly idea |
| 08:54.42 | Nyle | how much shit this fucking g4 case gave me just trying to get the fucking dvd burner and the hdds out |
| 08:54.46 | Nyle | godddamn. |
| 08:54.51 | Nyle | its like a fucking vault man |
| 08:55.14 | kiLLa | hi |
| 08:55.33 | kiLLa | everybody |
| 08:55.48 | ShredZ | I wanna compile a program from source and make a .deb, so I configured it with --prefix=~/debian and after make install it seems good, however, if I deploy the .deb it seems to still try to link against files in ~/debian. What am I missing ? |
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| 08:56.07 | wols_ | Akatemik: the part about apple is, when the brign ut new hw it is priced reasnably. not always cheap but reasonably. problem is they keep those prices unltil they update it. other man ufactuerer continously lower their prices until they sell something new that they start on a high price again |
| 08:56.32 | wols_ | Akatemik: so when something comes out, when it gets press it is cheap. but if it's available for some time ti gets gradually more expensive |
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| 08:56.46 | maelstrom | what's a g4 case ? apple ? |
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| 08:56.51 | wols_ | ShredZ: what are you trying to compile? |
| 08:57.01 | wols_ | maelstrom: yes, apple PPC G4 CPU |
| 08:57.06 | ShredZ | wols_, latest cups |
| 08:57.20 | wols_ | ShredZ: and why do you compile it from upstream source? |
| 08:57.34 | cheetahj25 | i want to test my exim account... i usually just use mail from the shell... like mail testuser@mydomain.com to send a msg or test |
| 08:57.40 | ShredZ | wols_, need some exotic printer from the latest version |
| 08:57.41 | cheetahj25 | what package is that ? |
| 08:57.44 | wols_ | and --prefix debian means it wants to install to /debian in the end |
| 08:57.57 | wols_ | ShredZ: what version exactly? |
| 08:58.01 | ShredZ | wols_, 1.3.5 |
| 08:58.06 | cheetahj25 | i get... mail: command not found |
| 08:58.10 | wols_ | !tell cheetahj25 about search |
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| 08:58.53 | wols_ | ShredZ: that version is in sid |
| 08:58.59 | wols_ | !tell ShredZ about simple sid backport |
| 08:58.59 | ShredZ | wols_, isn't that what I want to do ? make it install to ~/debian from which I build my .deb ? |
| 08:59.06 | wols_ | ShredZ: no |
| 08:59.06 | pandrew | hello! how do i find out what version gcc my kernel was compiled with? |
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| 08:59.24 | cheetahj25 | i tried using... aptitude search, but mail is very generic.. so i get like 45 responses |
| 08:59.24 | wols_ | pandrew: cat /proc/version |
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| 08:59.47 | wols_ | cheetahj25: cause aptitude is the wrong tool for the job. read the full factoid. and you search for bin/mail |
| 08:59.48 | pandrew | wols_: oh, thanks |
| 09:00.30 | wols_ | cheetahj25: you want apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 09:00.37 | cheetahj25 | ok... installing now |
| 09:01.11 | wols_ | ShredZ: use a simple sid backport |
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| 09:02.36 | ShredZ | wols_, guess I'll have to cause using the sid source is a no-go |
| 09:02.49 | wols_ | why is it a no go? |
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| 09:02.59 | wols_ | what's wrong with a backport? |
| 09:03.00 | microtux | !apt |
| 09:03.00 | dpkg | i heard apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 09:03.23 | microtux | !apt-get |
| 09:03.23 | dpkg | from memory, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
| 09:03.35 | ShredZ | wols_, where would one find a backport from a sid version into sarge ? :/ |
| 09:03.50 | wols_ | a) sarge is EOL basically no. so you better upgrade |
| 09:04.00 | wols_ | and you should read the factoid dpkg more carefully |
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| 09:04.17 | wols_ | *now |
| 09:04.28 | wols_ | ShredZ: come this april there are no more updates for sarge, ever |
| 09:04.31 | microtux | hi |
| 09:04.48 | microtux | how can i change my sources.list file ?? |
| 09:04.58 | microtux | i want to add some repositories |
| 09:04.58 | wols_ | so what you do is you ugrade to etch fist, then you do what the nice factoid says and create a new cupsys package |
| 09:05.04 | nevyn | microtux: edit it. |
| 09:05.08 | microtux | apt-setup does not exist under Etch |
| 09:05.09 | nevyn | it lives in /etc/apt |
| 09:05.10 | wols_ | maelstrom: edit it in your faviourite editor |
| 09:05.18 | microtux | nevyn, ok, nice idea |
| 09:05.18 | wols_ | microtux: ^^ |
| 09:05.28 | wols_ | !apt-spy |
| 09:05.28 | dpkg | hmm... apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 09:05.33 | microtux | nevyn, give me some repositories list to add them to it |
| 09:05.43 | wols_ | !tell microtux about sources.list |
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| 09:09.23 | nevyn | microtux: While I am a sysadmin.. I'm not your sysadmin. |
| 09:10.10 | wols_ | nevyn: I'm sure for a small fee you can bee it :) |
| 09:10.16 | wols_ | -e |
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| 09:10.33 | nevyn | wols_: that's generally how the system works ;) |
| 09:11.47 | microtux | nevyn, i didn't ask u to be my sysadmin |
| 09:12.08 | meeero | i'd need a command to list the disk-usage of folders in a directory. so far i found "find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -print | xargs du -sk | sort -rn" - but this one doesn't sort that good - e.g. it prints 100k, 80k, 50M, 2G, 1MB - so it sorts by the first numbers but not by the real size ... any ideas? |
| 09:12.09 | microtux | nevyn, but if u want a fee, we can fix that ;) |
| 09:12.12 | Nyle | why don't ya'll just all be your own sysadmins |
| 09:12.49 | microtux | i just have some broken repositories and i can't install any package, |
| 09:13.20 | microtux | so i was wondering if someone has the list of all repositories, since apt-setup was removed from etch |
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| 09:13.25 | microtux | anyway !! |
| 09:13.28 | cab46 | hi |
| 09:13.32 | microtux | thank u everybody |
| 09:13.50 | cab46 | how can limit a files number create in a directory from 1 user ? |
| 09:14.27 | SlayerXP | cab46: you can't |
| 09:14.52 | H2S04 | well you can have disk usage quotas |
| 09:15.38 | cab46 | slayerxo quota can't do this ? |
| 09:15.56 | SlayerXP | cab46: quota relates to file size, not number of files |
| 09:16.37 | cab46 | and with samba ? |
| 09:16.45 | cab46 | i mean for network user |
| 09:16.57 | SlayerXP | i go back to my original answer |
| 09:16.58 | SlayerXP | cab46: you can't |
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| 09:21.08 | Roobarb | xushi: Did your RAID array resync correctly last week? |
| 09:22.06 | snogglethorpe | Anyone know of a good way to prevent "autopackage" from barfing all over /usr? |
| 09:22.20 | xushi | Roobarb: yes. I also replaced 2 smaller 320G sets with 500G sets as well. It's all good now, except for 3 of the disks being a bit hot on S.M.A.R.T. |
| 09:23.05 | snogglethorpe | [I tried to get it to install to /usr/local by using the --prefix=/usr/local arg, but the "automatic install" of the autopackage infrastructure itself, _always seems to end up in /usr...] |
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| 09:25.16 | Roobarb | xushi: good to hear; what kind of temperatures are you seeing? |
| 09:25.43 | xushi | Hang on, i'll check |
| 09:27.26 | xushi | Roobarb: http://pastebin.ca/904821 48C, going up to 56C |
| 09:27.26 | taddis | btw, thanks for the help guys. |
| 09:27.27 | sinofacop | when someone hurts someone else in front of you can it because of you because he maybe your kid/child or sister / mother? and how can i be emotional without being gay. are people always emotional? :D thank you |
| 09:27.28 | cab46 | thanks slayerxp |
| 09:28.21 | xushi | damn ping killers.. |
| 09:28.22 | Roobarb | xushi: hmm, thats a tad high - my 160GB WD drives run around 37C |
| 09:28.42 | xushi | Roobarb: are you kidding? These disks used to go up to 110C until I installed some fans |
| 09:29.16 | Roobarb | xushi: no, but Dell usually do a decent job of thermal design in their workstation chassis :o) |
| 09:29.22 | xushi | hehe |
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| 09:29.38 | xushi | Yea i need a new case.. but can't find one big enough to take all the disks |
| 09:29.46 | taddis | dimir, Akatemik, vlatko and wols_ thanks for the encoding help :) |
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| 09:30.30 | dimir | taddis: np ;) |
| 09:30.41 | Roobarb | xushi: I hate to ask how many you have in there |
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| 09:32.33 | xushi | Roobarb: currently, 5 sets of 500G RAID1s, a SCSI 160 for the OS, a hw raid1 scsi360 set for work files, and 4 sets of 320G disks that I took out last week out of frustration from all the work.. I'll be putting them in another case instead. They were just hanging there inside the case |
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| 09:34.45 | ktwilight_ | what's the difference between insmod and modprobe? i have compiled a module, and mv the module to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc and modprobe doesn't register, i had to insmod. i guess i have to always do insmod?? |
| 09:34.55 | ktwilight_ | i've also have the entry in /etc/modules, which doesn't seem to load? |
| 09:35.11 | clusty | was curious why mysql generated 36GB of logs |
| 09:35.14 | clusty | in 1 week |
| 09:35.23 | clusty | and is it safe to delete it? |
| 09:35.23 | jelly | ktwilight_: after adding a new module, you need to tun depmod |
| 09:35.28 | jelly | run* |
| 09:35.42 | ktwilight_ | ah! now i remember :) |
| 09:35.46 | ktwilight_ | thanks jelly |
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| 09:38.14 | jelly | clusty: Do you have binary logs enabled? |
| 09:38.37 | clusty | jelly, did not change a thing. |
| 09:38.48 | clusty | jelly, i gotta check in my.conf? |
| 09:39.34 | jelly | clusty: yes. You shouldn't run production services without getting at least acquainted with the config files. :-) |
| 09:39.46 | clusty | not production |
| 09:39.48 | clusty | still testing |
| 09:39.49 | clusty | :D |
| 09:40.03 | clusty | what are they good for? |
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| 09:42.45 | phix | ktwilight_: you need to depmod |
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| 09:42.51 | phix | depmod -a |
| 09:42.56 | xushi | argh, i hate my connection |
| 09:42.58 | xushi | i hoe you got all my messages |
| 09:42.59 | phix | ktwilight_: to update the list of modules |
| 09:42.59 | ktwilight_ | phix, done. ;) |
| 09:43.00 | xushi | Roobarb: currently, 5 sets of 500G RAID1s, a SCSI 160 for the OS, a hw raid1 scsi360 set for work files, and 4 sets of 320G disks that I took out last week out of frustration from all the work.. I'll be putting them in another case instead. They were just hanging there inside the case. |
| 09:43.03 | phix | ktwilight_: w00t :) |
| 09:43.04 | xushi | he funny thing is, most of them were running on a 300W psu. I got fed up of reading about it, so I decided to make my own test and see exactly how many peripherals plugged in it takes to burn or blow up one of them 300W PSUs... |
| 09:43.07 | xushi | It took me 10 7,200krpm sata disks, 2 10krpm disks, 1 dvd drive, 2 scsi controller cards, 2 sata controller cards, and an nvidia 6200 gfx card, and 6 other fans |
| 09:43.12 | xushi | with all that, the psu started to struggle when i was starting up the machine, and it had to deliver a lot of juice to spin the disks, also when i was reading/writing to all of them simultaniously |
| 09:43.13 | ktwilight_ | phix, hehe |
| 09:43.18 | phix | ktwilight_: glad I could be of assistance :) |
| 09:43.29 | phix | ktwilight_: You have any other questions? :) |
| 09:43.32 | ktwilight_ | phix, yea, thanks for the help |
| 09:43.42 | ManuP | i can not unmount my exthd.. some application is preventing this. how do i unmount anyway? or how do i find out which application does prevent unmount? |
| 09:43.43 | ktwilight_ | phix, sure, why did it take you so long to help me? |
| 09:43.56 | ktwilight_ | phix, i nearly died from the lack of support |
| 09:44.01 | phix | ktwilight_: I went down the street for grog |
| 09:44.07 | Roobarb | xushi: you really need to just get an external storage shelf... |
| 09:44.15 | clusty | jelly, thanks a bunch. and sorry for the noobish questions :( |
| 09:44.15 | phix | ktwilight_: it is after business hours here :) |
| 09:44.23 | ktwilight_ | phix, excuses! |
| 09:44.24 | phix | ktwilight_: plus you are not a client of mine :P |
| 09:44.29 | ktwilight_ | phix, haha |
| 09:44.32 | xushi | Roobarb: I was, but i'll be leaving the country soon, so i'm waiting... |
| 09:44.36 | phix | ktwilight_: If you want help I can put you on a support contract if yuo like :P |
| 09:44.37 | ManuP | umount -f dont work :( |
| 09:44.46 | phix | 24/7 help that is |
| 09:45.03 | xushi | As soon as the 1TB disks become cheap, I'll just get a few of those and replace what I have now. |
| 09:45.06 | ktwilight_ | phix, sure, if the support contract has an ROI of two weeks |
| 09:45.06 | Roobarb | xushi: we use these: http://www.apple.com/xserve/raid/ |
| 09:45.20 | xushi | nice! |
| 09:45.27 | phix | ROI? |
| 09:45.31 | jelly | clusty: don't be sorry, we were all noobs once |
| 09:45.33 | ktwilight_ | return of investment |
| 09:45.53 | ktwilight_ | my investment into the support contract should have some benefit to my wellbeing |
| 09:45.54 | phix | jelly: yep, some ppl more than other |
| 09:45.56 | phix | s |
| 09:46.10 | phix | ktwilight_: ummm it will low total cost of ownership? :) |
| 09:46.14 | phix | low = lower :) |
| 09:46.14 | xushi | Roobarb: If i have a raid5 set of 10 hard drives, will i still lose everything if 2 disks fail? Or do you calculate it through a percentage ? |
| 09:46.22 | phix | xushi: yes |
| 09:46.25 | ktwilight_ | phix, haha |
| 09:46.35 | phix | xushi: RAID5 protects against one drive fails |
| 09:46.40 | ktwilight_ | phix i'll pay you 1 peanut per support, how's that? |
| 09:46.41 | phix | xushi: RAID6 protects against 2 |
| 09:46.48 | phix | ktwilight_: try $99 AU |
| 09:46.53 | xushi | then raid1 is definately the right choice for me |
| 09:46.53 | phix | per hr though |
| 09:47.13 | phix | xushi: yup, RAID1 provides the best redundancy |
| 09:47.15 | Roobarb | xushi: this is why you have hot-spares |
| 09:47.16 | ktwilight_ | phix, i'll get you a huge hollow peanut made of newspaper? |
| 09:47.24 | phix | xushi: RAID5 provides both redundancy and speed |
| 09:47.33 | ktwilight_ | RAID6 is preferred. |
| 09:47.44 | phix | ktwilight_: with money inside the newspaper? preferbally green AU notes :) |
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| 09:47.48 | phix | ktwilight_: yup |
| 09:47.49 | xushi | Roobarb: they don't help that much. The reason our disks fail here is due to the power surges. And regulators don't really help. UPS are 10 times more expensive here |
| 09:48.22 | ktwilight_ | phix, i can only afford to put air |
| 09:48.25 | xushi | My dad's pc dies frequently.. it's normal for him to lose 3 disks, the motherboard, and the psu in one go |
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| 09:49.04 | phix | ktwilight_: laced with gold? |
| 09:49.09 | jelly | xushi: how many instances of that warrants buying a ups? |
| 09:49.19 | phix | xushi: lol, you need an ups :) |
| 09:49.24 | Roobarb | xushi: what part of the world do you live in that has power that bad? |
| 09:49.26 | ktwilight_ | phix, i'll throw in some golden sand |
| 09:49.39 | phix | yay |
| 09:49.40 | phix | deal |
| 09:49.44 | xushi | yes i know :) And i'll get one no matter what in 2 months time.. Roobarb I'm in Jordan |
| 09:49.45 | ktwilight_ | awesome! |
| 09:49.52 | xushi | currently * |
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| 09:50.58 | Roobarb | xushi: nice, but not conducive to stable computing :) |
| 09:51.27 | xushi | Hey at least i'm not using XFS :) |
| 09:52.14 | Roobarb | while (1); sync |
| 09:52.19 | Roobarb | stik that in a cron-job :) |
| 09:52.44 | xushi | lol |
| 09:53.53 | phix | xushi: wow, that is ages away |
| 09:53.57 | SlayerXP | morning. I'm trying to find some documentation on how to install a suse domU in a debian domU. My google-fu seems to be weak. any pointers on how to proceed would be appreciated. thanks. |
| 09:54.12 | phix | Roobarb: lol |
| 09:54.31 | phix | Roobarb: using a thread and sleep calls is better :) less overhead than while(1) |
| 09:54.41 | xushi | phix: don't count on that.. I'll be on your side of the world soon :) |
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| 09:55.02 | phix | also, while(1); sync would never sync though :\ or was that the joke? |
| 09:55.12 | phix | xushi: yay, you are going to AU? :) |
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| 09:56.55 | xushi | phix: yea as soon as the visa works out, my wife and I are moving (Brisbane so far). But i'll be there for our honeymoon in April :) |
| 09:57.12 | xushi | and sorry guys for taking the channel off topic :) |
| 09:57.18 | phix | xushi: nice |
| 09:57.52 | phix | xushi: haha, and you will be converting your wife to Debian too right? :) *keeping in topic* |
| 09:58.39 | xushi | phix: I did convert her for a year! and she *loved it*, but had to go back to windows for her work (mmedia/graphic design) |
| 09:59.50 | phix | aawww |
| 09:59.58 | phix | introduce her to VirtualBox :) |
| 10:00.24 | phix | xushi: http://virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads |
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| 10:01.39 | xushi | interesting, |
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| 10:02.44 | phix | xushi: :) she can use Debian again! :) |
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| 10:14.55 | Octal | Hi guys. Does anyone know if it is possible to get direct rendering on Debian with an ATI Radeon HD 3850 ? |
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| 10:16.07 | phix | Octal: I would take that guy back to the shop and purchase a NVIDIA |
| 10:16.15 | phix | better driver support |
| 10:16.49 | xushi | it's a bit ironic to me that nvidia has always had better drivers and driver support, when it's closed, while ati is open source and lacking behind |
| 10:16.55 | Octal | I don't have this card for moment, I just want to know |
| 10:17.03 | Octal | but NVIDIA are more expensive |
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| 10:17.35 | Octal | Do you know an Nvidia card like the radeon 3850 HD, which is at the same price ? |
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| 10:17.59 | pbn | Hello, how can I know what the most recent Debian bug report is ? |
| 10:18.09 | xushi | i think it's justifyable to pay a bit more than to have a cheap card that will just give you hell :) |
| 10:18.31 | xushi | Octal: I'm not sure of the power the 3850 has.. |
| 10:18.33 | Shadur | Aaaargh. I have three DNS servers with identical configurations. Two of them work fine but the third is /authoritatively/ refusing to believe anything outside its own scope exists. |
| 10:18.52 | Octal | xushi, I saw some benches |
| 10:18.54 | Shadur | The only message I get back is "xxxx record currenty not present". |
| 10:19.05 | Octal | It is powered :D |
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| 10:19.32 | xushi | hehe |
| 10:19.41 | Octal | But you mean I'd better to buy a 8800GT isn't it ? :p |
| 10:20.31 | xushi | well depends what for.. I've been out of the loop for ages now, but I still use an nvidia 6800 and it's good |
| 10:20.57 | Octal | I currently have a 5600GT but with nvidia drivers, my screen is shutdowning and my keyboard freezing, I think that the card is down |
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| 10:22.13 | streuner_ | Shadur: bind? #bind then? |
| 10:23.44 | Nyle | haha |
| 10:23.48 | Nyle | shutdowning :) |
| 10:23.58 | Nyle | shutting down* |
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| 10:25.34 | Shadur | Nevermind, already found it. |
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| 10:31.02 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, my locale is: root@gaf1~# locale | grep CTYPE -> LC_CTYPE=es_PE.UTF-8 |
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| 10:31.29 | voraistos | hi i would like to install debian on my laptop for desktop use. |
| 10:31.49 | streuner_ | !d-i voraistos |
| 10:31.49 | dpkg | voraistos, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:31.52 | voraistos | i was wondering if i should use stable or testing or unstable |
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| 10:32.08 | voraistos | because of the recent kernel glitch |
| 10:32.08 | streuner_ | if you have to ask, just use stable/etch |
| 10:32.20 | streuner_ | kernels are fixed |
| 10:32.30 | voraistos | what kernel does stable use ? |
| 10:32.36 | streuner_ | 2.6.18 |
| 10:32.47 | streuner_ | there are backports for (2.6.24) |
| 10:32.50 | voraistos | i have to think of the new wifi thingy going on on 2.6.24 |
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| 10:33.15 | voraistos | because my card happens to be on of those shitty dell ones :( |
| 10:33.24 | streuner_ | !laptops |
| 10:33.24 | dpkg | somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 10:33.38 | blazemonger | i installed debian with a encrypted file system, using the whole disk, and want to know if it's possible to get part of the space dedicated towards BSD or Windows |
| 10:33.43 | streuner_ | many tips and trics are there ^^^ |
| 10:33.52 | voraistos | ok :) |
| 10:34.06 | streuner_ | voraistos: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 10:34.20 | voraistos | ? |
| 10:34.51 | streuner_ | voraistos: type that into your irc-client ^^^ |
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| 10:35.36 | voraistos | lol i was wondering what dpkg was doing there :P |
| 10:35.54 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 10:35.54 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:36.25 | streuner_ | so its "/message bot factoid |
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| 10:36.33 | voraistos | does it come with apt to easily download and install new AI modules ? |
| 10:37.17 | streuner_ | sorry? |
| 10:37.43 | gonzaloaf | hi, how do I list all the pkgs that icedove (or some X pkg) depends on? |
| 10:37.43 | streuner_ | kmuto provides newer kernels in his installer, if 2.6.24 supports your nic, that would be fine |
| 10:37.45 | voraistos | i wa just joking about the possible extensibility of the bot :D |
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| 10:39.02 | voraistos | bah if the kernel doesnt come compiled the way i want it to be, ill do it myself |
| 10:39.16 | streuner_ | voraistos: ok, read the laptops factoid now and look how other Debian User solve that problem |
| 10:39.17 | streuner_ | voraistos: what chipset? |
| 10:39.21 | voraistos | i guess there is a debian-linux pkg or something |
| 10:39.24 | voraistos | err |
| 10:39.26 | voraistos | broadcom |
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| 10:39.54 | streuner_ | !info apt-rdepends |
| 10:39.55 | voraistos | i am running windows |
| 10:40.05 | voraistos | and lspci returns command not found |
| 10:40.12 | streuner_ | !installit |
| 10:40.12 | dpkg | apt-rdepends: (Recursively lists package dependencies), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 10:40.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 10:40.34 | wols | voraistos: windows has ways to get what hardware you have too |
| 10:40.37 | wols | same info as lspci |
| 10:40.53 | streuner_ | voraistos: aptitude install pciutils , IIRC |
| 10:40.56 | voraistos | yes, but i have only been running it for a week |
| 10:41.05 | voraistos | i am very lost |
| 10:41.32 | voraistos | so i want to ditch it, but i cant be bothered to reinstall gentoo |
| 10:41.35 | streuner_ | start reading now |
| 10:41.39 | wols | voraistos: what are you running right now? and what do you want to know about your hw? |
| 10:42.05 | voraistos | hmm streuner_ was asking about my wifi card |
| 10:42.20 | voraistos | and i remember it uses bcm44xx something |
| 10:42.29 | voraistos | -unless this is ethernet- |
| 10:42.43 | voraistos | i was complaining about windows' lack of lspci |
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| 10:43.25 | wols | then use devicemanager to check |
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| 10:44.18 | streuner_ | wols: thats not helpful |
| 10:44.39 | voraistos | dell wireless 1390 |
| 10:44.44 | voraistos | but thats not it |
| 10:44.50 | voraistos | -well, yes it is- |
| 10:44.52 | wols | !bcm53xx |
| 10:45.03 | voraistos | nope |
| 10:45.16 | wols | streuner_: why not. it's kinda important to know the exactl hardware before installing debian (imho) |
| 10:45.21 | wols | !bcm43xx |
| 10:45.21 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 10:45.22 | voraistos | im quite sure thats not it :P |
| 10:45.25 | voraistos | ah yes |
| 10:45.30 | voraistos | so i was right |
| 10:45.40 | streuner_ | wols: yes, and i asked that before... |
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| 10:45.55 | wols | streuner_: and I gave him a way to see what it is |
| 10:45.55 | voraistos | so debian comes pre-compiled with the leagcy driver |
| 10:46.44 | voraistos | ill try the new way -new drivers- |
| 10:46.56 | voraistos | the old ones sucked a lot |
| 10:47.05 | wols | voraistos: debian comes with a kernel which only has this driver, yes |
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| 10:47.42 | voraistos | yeah i know we cant compile the old and new ones at same time. even as modules |
| 10:50.57 | voraistos | does the netinstall image come with the new gui installer ? i want to see it :) |
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| 10:51.26 | wols | yes |
| 10:51.30 | wols | use "installgui" IIRC |
| 10:51.35 | wols | nit mothing big to see |
| 10:51.57 | voraistos | hmmm you mean on the bootprompt ? |
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| 10:55.28 | wols | yes at the boot prompt |
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| 11:00.26 | o2T7 | I had move menu.lst to menu.lst.whatever and when making a dist-upgrade apt prompted me for auto generate one. I answered yes and nothing happened. I had to Ctrl+ |
| 11:00.50 | o2T7 | Ctrl+c to stop the job after copying the file to its original name. |
| 11:01.21 | o2T7 | Now, when i try to dist-upgrade i get this error: "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf" |
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| 11:01.54 | o2T7 | It isn't able now to upgrade the linux-image |
| 11:02.21 | Azzco | I had to use a testing CD to install debian, I want to use stable (etch guess) is it just to edit sources.list? I've allready installed kde, and I want to keep at least the kernel |
| 11:02.26 | o2T7 | Well, it is not able to perform any task indeed. |
| 11:02.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | o2T7, try `dpkg --configure --pending` |
| 11:02.48 | o2T7 | ok, let's try |
| 11:02.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Azzco about downgrade |
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| 11:03.11 | Azzco | Thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 11:03.59 | o2T7 | It worked fine :). Thank You |
| 11:04.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | o2T7, :) |
| 11:04.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Azzco, making an etch cd isnt posible? |
| 11:05.48 | wols | !custom cd |
| 11:05.48 | dpkg | i guess custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 11:06.49 | wols | Azzco: or simply install kmuto kernel |
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| 11:18.43 | piju | hello |
| 11:19.14 | kkouwe | debian 4.0 AMD64 gives : ibc6-i386: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is installed |
| 11:19.17 | kkouwe | can someone help? |
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| 11:28.03 | jelly | kkouwe: do an "aptitude update" as root, try again |
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| 11:28.26 | kkouwe | it gives the error try apt-get -f install |
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| 11:38.33 | muramasa | morning :-) |
| 11:38.54 | kkouwe | morning |
| 11:38.58 | jelly | kkouwe: do an "apt-get update" then, and pastebin the complete output in case it fails |
| 11:39.03 | jelly | !pastebin |
| 11:39.03 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 11:39.25 | kkouwe | jelly: apt-get update doenst fale... only when i try to install something or do an upgrade |
| 11:39.45 | wols | the paste the output of that |
| 11:40.04 | muramasa | wols, hi again :-) do you know how to install sata drivers for my new kernel? |
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| 11:40.19 | wols | sure, enable them in make menuconfig. piix should be it |
| 11:40.29 | wols | !tell kkouwe about bat |
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| 11:41.34 | kkouwe | wols: jelly: http://paste.lisp.org/display/55943 |
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| 11:42.57 | wols | kkouwe: there is nothing wrong with your apt-get update |
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| 11:43.44 | kkouwe | wols: this is the output of an test apt-get install http://paste.lisp.org/display/55944 |
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| 11:44.10 | helmut | Hi. Can someone tell me what happend to debian's xprint support? There doesn't seem to be a package containing the server in the archive. |
| 11:44.20 | wols | aayou sse the "bat" factoid? then follow it kkouwe |
| 11:44.43 | wols | helmut: what debian ranch and what was the name of the binary? |
| 11:45.11 | wols | kkouwe: I'd just use the official nk mirror |
| 11:45.19 | kkouwe | :Ok |
| 11:46.11 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libc6 as you can see, etch5 is the crrent one |
| 11:47.42 | helmut | wols: it was in sarge at least Xprt |
| 11:47.55 | helmut | wols: package name xprint |
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| 11:49.15 | helmut | wols: doesn't even seem to be listed at ftp-master.d.o/removals.txt |
| 11:49.16 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/xprint/filelist |
| 11:49.19 | wols | it's still in etch |
| 11:49.34 | wols | !info xprint |
| 11:49.50 | wols | !info xprint etch |
| 11:49.56 | dpkg | xprint: (Xprint - the X11 print system (binary)), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.99.3+git20060910-9 (etch), Packaged size: 1500 kB, Installed size: 3748 kB |
| 11:50.13 | muramasa | wols, there seem to be several piix when searching, i.e PATA_MPIIX ATA_PIIX I2C_PIIX4 PATA_OLDPIIX etc. Do you know which one I should use? |
| 11:50.25 | helmut | the package is not in sid, it is useful, it contains security problems |
| 11:50.28 | wols | muramasa: grep SATA config* |
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| 11:50.46 | helmut | (at least the last version from sid contains security problems) |
| 11:50.47 | wols | it's sid... |
| 11:50.55 | wols | xprint is not in sid |
| 11:51.12 | helmut | xprint somewhen was in sid. |
| 11:51.33 | helmut | about july 2007 for instance |
| 11:51.45 | helmut | august event |
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| 11:52.50 | muramasa | wols, http://paste.debian.net/49204 is that output |
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| 11:55.02 | helmut | wols: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xprint.html there is no record of when/why xprint was removed from unstable |
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| 11:57.19 | wols | muramasa: either you go into make menuconfig and change it there or you got a problem. the one you need to enable is the AHCI one |
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| 11:58.06 | clusty | anyone could recommend me some automated backup prog ? |
| 11:58.16 | clusty | just need to be able to upload via FTP |
| 11:58.19 | petemc | dirvish, backuppc |
| 11:58.26 | petemc | oh, they use rsync |
| 11:58.27 | wols | amanda |
| 11:58.34 | petemc | amanda is for tapes, no? |
| 11:58.41 | petemc | and horribly complicated |
| 11:58.46 | clusty | found backup-manager |
| 11:58.49 | clusty | but its complicated |
| 11:58.50 | wols | The Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver |
| 11:58.53 | wols | you decide |
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| 11:59.01 | petemc | dont you know? |
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| 11:59.23 | wols | from what I "know" it saves on network disks/shares |
| 11:59.30 | petemc | oh right |
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| 11:59.56 | petemc | i think im thinking of bacula |
| 12:00.03 | wols | It supports tapes, disks, optical media, and changers. |
| 12:00.08 | wols | from freshmeat.net |
| 12:00.31 | clusty | bacula any good? |
| 12:00.34 | clusty | heard of it before |
| 12:00.53 | petemc | i only use rsync wrapper type programs |
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| 12:01.22 | petemc | bacula, and probably amanda, would be fairly complex |
| 12:01.33 | clusty | petemc, we have some buffalo box that supports FTP and smb |
| 12:01.45 | clusty | for now i am doing the tars by hand |
| 12:01.59 | petemc | i would use smb, if its on a local network |
| 12:02.16 | petemc | mount the share on a machine, and use it as a dirvish vault |
| 12:02.30 | clusty | i am mounting ftp |
| 12:02.35 | clusty | with curlftpfs |
| 12:02.37 | clusty | or whatever |
| 12:02.42 | muramasa | wols, ok I think I succeeded! do I need to rebuild the kernel or something? *feels stupid* ;) |
| 12:02.42 | petemc | well done |
| 12:02.58 | wols | yes you need to recompile it with make-kkg |
| 12:03.04 | wols | what does grep AHCI config* say? |
| 12:03.41 | a133x | hello, I have installed apache with userdir support, scripts that run from the userdir(eg. /home/user/public_html) will run under the apache user, cant I make it somehow to use the user under wich the files are hosted? |
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| 12:05.54 | joh | Hi, are there any 2.6.24 kernel backports for testing? I couldn't find any on backports.org. |
| 12:06.08 | muramasa | wols, make-kpkg in /usr/src/linux-source.... or anyplace else? |
| 12:06.22 | wols | of course there |
| 12:06.26 | wols | where else would you do it? |
| 12:06.48 | wols | joh: since when are there ANY backports for testing? |
| 12:06.53 | muramasa | beats me |
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| 12:07.26 | clusty | petemc, the dervish thing seems quite complicated to use. will give it a deeper look after today's backups |
| 12:07.26 | clusty | :D |
| 12:07.28 | joh | wols: I might have misunderstood then, let me rephrase: are there any 2.6.24 kernel packages for testing? |
| 12:07.43 | wols | !tell joh about search |
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| 12:07.57 | helmut | Can someone tell me where to get the source package for xprint 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12? |
| 12:08.00 | wols | and since you are able to run testing, I'm sure you can create your own backports |
| 12:08.05 | helmut | snapshot.d.n doesn't seem to contain it. |
| 12:08.06 | wols | !tell joh about simple sid backports |
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| 12:08.25 | wols | btssmite |
| 12:08.30 | wols | !btssmite helmut |
| 12:08.53 | joh | wols: thanks |
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| 12:10.19 | petemc | clusty: its not at all complicated |
| 12:11.00 | clusty | petemc, looking at backup-manager. seems a bit less sophisticated but easier to configure |
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| 12:12.27 | helmut | wols: well bugs.d.o shows 4 bugs on xprint, still no record on its removal. |
| 12:14.21 | yang | Does Intel Xeon 3040 supports AMD64 installation ? |
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| 12:17.34 | clusty | petemc, how can I make it automount the smb thing ? |
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| 12:18.11 | petemc | clusty: fstab |
| 12:18.13 | sep | clusty, backuppc is awsome give it a try |
| 12:18.34 | clusty | petemc, smbfs is that type? |
| 12:18.52 | petemc | what type? |
| 12:19.32 | clusty | in fstab i have to specify filesystem type |
| 12:19.47 | petemc | i use cifs , smbfs probably still works |
| 12:19.53 | petemc | just use cifs |
| 12:22.30 | clusty | what are the dump/pass fields good for in fstab? |
| 12:22.42 | petemc | for cifs, use a credentials file |
| 12:22.48 | helmut | wols: Could you explain to me how to find the source code for a removed package using bugs.d.o (as you are proposing this)? |
| 12:22.52 | petemc | oh, ignore me |
| 12:23.04 | petemc | clusty: man fstab tells you that |
| 12:24.56 | helmut | uhm. the package moved source packages. it was integrated in xserver-xorg and then dropped. |
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| 12:28.18 | anabain_ | I've dist-upgraded in SID and cdd-common seems to be broken, but there are no bug reports at debian.org. Any ideas? |
| 12:29.01 | streuner_ | anabain: /mg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:29.04 | streuner_ | anabain: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 12:32.20 | wols | !wishlist |
| 12:32.20 | dpkg | somebody said wishlist was at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEWishlist |
| 12:32.27 | wols | doh |
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| 12:32.51 | wols | helmut: you can file a bug, file a wish, etc |
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| 12:33.51 | Gruelius_ | Hi all, im getting kernel: bio too big device md1 (248 > 128) spammed constantly, should i log a bugreport? |
| 12:34.16 | wols | helmut: also, maybe xorg removed xprint upstream |
| 12:34.21 | Gruelius_ | ive done a bit of research and its to do with the controller mostly afaik but mdadm should be setting a lower speed |
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| 12:34.52 | a133x | does anyone know if it is possible to implement quota on an ext3 filesystem? |
| 12:35.24 | wols | a133x: it is |
| 12:35.26 | wols | !quotas |
| 12:35.27 | wols | !quota |
| 12:35.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 12:35.38 | a133x | thank you wols |
| 12:35.43 | RaymondX | i cant seem to copy-paste commands from-to the cli window......should i install something first? |
| 12:35.46 | a133x | I tgouht only ext2 is possible |
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| 12:36.00 | wols | RaymondX: with the mouse? gpm for example helps |
| 12:36.18 | wols | !paste without x |
| 12:36.18 | dpkg | without x: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 12:36.26 | wols | !pastewithoutx |
| 12:36.26 | dpkg | from memory, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 12:39.11 | mark17 | how can i change the default editor for crontab -e to nano (from vi) |
| 12:39.29 | tralala | mark17, /msg dpkg update-alternatives |
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| 12:40.33 | tralala | mark17, /msg dpkg alternatives |
| 12:40.47 | helmut | wols: I know I can file a bug, but how about first finding out what happend before blindly filing bugs? Even if they removed xprint upstream, why is there no record in removals.txt then??? |
| 12:41.24 | Penix | xprint? is it 1999 again or something? |
| 12:41.48 | wols | so get xorg sources and check if you can build your own Xprt or not |
| 12:41.49 | helmut | Penix: is there a replacement? |
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| 12:42.01 | wols | or ask Xprt folks? |
| 12:42.07 | wols | erm xorg folks |
| 12:42.25 | helmut | wols: xorg-server contained xprint, xorg does not. |
| 12:42.31 | mark17 | no information that i can use do i get from /msg dpkg (update-)alternatives |
| 12:42.47 | helmut | xorg-server is dead |
| 12:42.56 | helmut | wols: I'll ask #debian-x |
| 12:42.58 | tralala | mark17, so you cant use man update-alternatives? |
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| 12:43.27 | a133x | is there a way I can check to see if quota is compiled in the kernel? |
| 12:43.38 | a133x | if I have quota support |
| 12:43.43 | Asmooh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWA61x715g0&feature=related |
| 12:43.51 | tralala | a133x, grep QUOTA /boot/config-2.6.18* |
| 12:43.56 | helmut | Penix: if xprint is deprecated (I fail to see that though) there should be a replacement. Can you tell me where to find it? |
| 12:44.18 | wols | helmut: if I look at the xprint dev side, their latest "news" is from 2005 |
| 12:44.19 | a133x | thank you tralala |
| 12:44.26 | tralala | a133x, you're welcome |
| 12:44.33 | helmut | wols: I know |
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| 12:44.56 | helmut | wols: still it works, so why drop it? |
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| 12:53.13 | muramasa | wols, make-kpkg gives "nothing to be done" output after making changes in make menuconfig :( |
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| 12:54.02 | wols | muramasa: I asked you something long ago |
| 12:54.34 | muramasa | my internet died on me, so have been unable to read |
| 12:54.51 | muramasa | sorry :( |
| 12:55.11 | wols | grep AHCI /boot/config* |
| 12:55.45 | muramasa | 2 rows; /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686:CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=m |
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| 12:55.45 | muramasa | /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686:CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=m |
| 12:55.53 | muramasa | lines* |
| 12:55.55 | wols | muramasa: wrong kernel tree |
| 12:55.55 | chmac | Is the firewall called iptables on debian, as on Fedora? |
| 12:56.04 | wols | !iptables |
| 12:56.04 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 12:56.19 | wols | chmac: this is true for ANY linux |
| 12:56.45 | wols | chmac: there are various frontends for iptables too |
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| 12:57.03 | chmac | wols: I'm actually using webmin, but I can't get the "activate at boot" setting to stick for some reason, not sure why |
| 12:57.11 | chmac | I checked /etc/init.d/ for iptables, but it's not there |
| 12:57.11 | wols | !webmin |
| 12:57.12 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 12:57.14 | chmac | I'm completely new to debian |
| 12:57.23 | wols | webmin is not supported here |
| 12:57.33 | chmac | lol |
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| 12:57.49 | chmac | Fair enough |
| 12:57.51 | nacho_ | Hi |
| 12:58.03 | wols | chmac: I'd strongly suggest you don't use it |
| 12:58.13 | chmac | wols: Can you recommend an alternative? |
| 12:58.22 | nacho_ | yesterday i bougth a new computer with a core 2 duo. Now my question. Should i install debian 32 bits or 64 bits? |
| 12:58.22 | wols | yes: ssh |
| 12:58.50 | wols | nacho_: how much RAM? desktop or server? |
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| 12:59.10 | nacho_ | wols, desktop, ram 2GB |
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| 12:59.16 | wols | 32bit |
| 12:59.28 | nacho_ | ok thanks |
| 12:59.29 | chmac | wols: You're suggesting ssh as an alternative to webmin? |
| 12:59.31 | robboplus | hm having a few IPs bound to the box, can i force mysql client to use a particular one to connect to a remote db? |
| 12:59.41 | muramasa | wols, should I have <M> infront of the drivers, or Y? |
| 12:59.46 | peppe | nacho_: if you can live without wine games or some iceweasel plugin, 64bit |
| 12:59.47 | Bushmills | nacho_: any huge-databasing for millions or billions of records you're doing? |
| 12:59.51 | azeem | nacho_: the question is: Are you likely to run binary-only drivers, plugins or applications? |
| 12:59.51 | wols | muramasa: either |
| 13:00.00 | azeem | if so, use 32bit, otherwise, it does not matter much |
| 13:00.03 | wols | muramasa: but simply editing the config file won't do |
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| 13:00.08 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 13:00.29 | wols | azeem: with a desktop it's very likely |
| 13:00.30 | Haris1 | How do I stop debian from cluttering syslog with -> Feb 15 02:29:56 localhost -- MARK -- |
| 13:00.36 | Haris1 | what file in /etc/default? |
| 13:00.40 | nacho_ | ok, thanks a lot |
| 13:00.45 | wols | Haris1: stop using a firewall you don't need |
| 13:01.08 | azeem | wols: well, some people don't plan to run them on an ethical basis |
| 13:01.08 | wols | or configure it properly the way you want it |
| 13:01.11 | foobar8 | robboplus: source ip is normally set based on the interface used to send the packets (afair) |
| 13:01.25 | Haris1 | what firewall? |
| 13:01.36 | peppe | chmac: the debian policy is to use /etc/network/ifup.d & co. to run iptables scripts |
| 13:01.36 | Haris1 | I was talking about the -- MARK -- clutter in syslog |
| 13:01.38 | wols | Haris1: this logs are from iptables. whatever you run there |
| 13:01.43 | wols | Haris1: iptables -L |
| 13:01.47 | robboplus | foobar8: i'm authorised to use some remote db with the IP that i bound to eth0:1 and not the one being in use on eth0, just wondering how can this be solved :) |
| 13:01.52 | wols | Haris1: guess who writes those entries? |
| 13:02.13 | chmac | peppe: I'm administering the machine remotely, is there a web based admin system you'd recommend? |
| 13:02.15 | wols | robboplus: make your mysql client bond ona specific IP |
| 13:02.19 | Haris1 | wols: Last time, I came in, I was told, its a setting I can turn off in some file to get rid of this message |
| 13:02.19 | peppe | wols: what the heck? that's just syslog, it writes --MARK-- every 20 minutes or so, in order to tell you he's not dead! |
| 13:02.24 | Haris1 | wols: Its used for showing uptime of the box |
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| 13:02.38 | muramasa | wols, after exiting and saving, the menuconfig tells me to write "make", do that instead of make-kpkg? and what more do I have to do ? |
| 13:02.38 | robboplus | wols is that possible? or did you mean to dig in source and recompile? |
| 13:03.18 | foobar8 | robboplus: sorry, i can't give an answer (would have to look myself) |
| 13:03.29 | tralala | muramasa, I suppose your old kernel config was not preserved the first time you compiled. |
| 13:03.50 | muramasa | tralala, oh, morning ;) |
| 13:04.03 | tralala | more of an afternoon, really :) |
| 13:04.12 | wols | robboplus: depends on your client I guess |
| 13:04.18 | robboplus | foobar8 i read you |
| 13:04.22 | robboplus | wols hm |
| 13:04.46 | wols | muramasa: you do not run make. you run make-kpkg. and I asked you something now twice and you STILL haven't responded |
| 13:04.46 | foobar8 | robboplus: hm maybe you could set a route to that host |
| 13:04.52 | tralala | muramasa, run make-kpkg clean first and then copy the config. |
| 13:05.02 | foobar8 | robboplus: see ip route |
| 13:05.26 | wols | muramasa: grep AHCI /boot/config* |
| 13:05.44 | RaymondX | how can i tell my gtk version? |
| 13:05.44 | foobar8 | robboplus: of course this would effect all connections to that host |
| 13:05.58 | foobar8 | robboplus: (if it works at all) |
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| 13:06.05 | peppe | Haris1: you can disable that -- MARK -- by adding -m 0 to /etc/default/syslogd |
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| 13:06.05 | wols | RaymondX: dpkg -l |grep libgtk |
| 13:06.08 | robboplus | foobar8 hmm... |
| 13:06.17 | muramasa | wols, that grep returns only for 18-5 and 18-6, I dont know how to change the "kernel tree" |
| 13:06.44 | wols | peppe: I don#t have any MARKs and I have a pretty empty /etc/default/syslogd |
| 13:06.59 | wols | muramasa: make menuconfig and change it then! |
| 13:07.33 | foobar8 | robboplus: another ugly hack i could think of would be to use netfilter |
| 13:07.46 | peppe | wols: syslog writes those marks iff nothing else is written for 20 minutes |
| 13:07.46 | wols | muramasa: grep AHCI /usr/src/linux-source/config* |
| 13:08.14 | wols | peppe: I have a mailserver. I get at least one spam per 20min |
| 13:08.28 | peppe | wols: and you write the spam in /var/log/syslog ? :) |
| 13:08.41 | wols | postfix by default logs connections. so does the imap server |
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| 13:08.56 | peppe | wols: btw, man 8 syslogd, option -m |
| 13:09.14 | peppe | wols: http://pastebin.com/d7f0229c4 <-- |
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| 13:10.28 | Haris1 | peppe: Yep, that's it |
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| 13:11.09 | robboplus_ | re |
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| 13:11.51 | muramasa | wols tralala, I did run make menuconfig, added <Y> to Device Drivers -> SATA Drivers (prod) ... -> AHCI SATA Support. Saved the config, typed make-kpkg and recieved "nothing to be done". grep AHCI /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/config* returns "file or directory does not exist.", grep AHCI /boot/config* returns only for 18-5 and 18-6. if I reenter make menuconfig, the <Y> is still infront of the drivers |
| 13:12.11 | wols | .config* |
| 13:12.44 | muramasa | oeps, that's a shame hehe |
| 13:12.46 | muramasa | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/.config:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=m |
| 13:12.46 | muramasa | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/.config.old:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y |
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| 13:14.04 | wols | good. the make clean and run the make-kpkg again |
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| 13:15.26 | tralala | muramasa, you should keep your config as close as possible to 2.6.18. This is why I wanted you to copy the config. When you copy it, the build process is supposed to ask you only about the extra features in .24 |
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| 13:15.49 | muramasa | tralala, I thought I did copy it as well :-( |
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| 13:16.16 | tralala | muramasa, did you do make menuconfig? |
| 13:16.43 | muramasa | wols tralala, http://paste.debian.net/49211 |
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| 13:16.56 | muramasa | tralala, yes, and choosed to enable the sata drivers :-( |
| 13:17.53 | tralala | muramasa, diff .config /boot/config-2.6.18-6* |
| 13:18.29 | erik2 | what do I need to install in order to use gnokii for my nokia 6021 ? |
| 13:18.31 | robboplus_ | foobar8 thank you for your suggestions - still trying hard to solve the puzzle, probably a tunnel or some kind of forwarder |
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| 13:18.52 | muramasa | tralala, yikes, that was a long output |
| 13:19.07 | tralala | put it on a pastebin |
| 13:20.16 | foobar8 | robboplus_: did you take a look at ip route? |
| 13:20.35 | muramasa | tralala, http://paste.debian.net/49212 |
| 13:21.19 | foobar8 | robboplus_: or don't you want to use the same ip src address for all connections to that host? |
| 13:21.32 | wols | muramasa: did you learn NOTHING? |
| 13:21.38 | tralala | muramasa, show me diff -u |
| 13:21.39 | wols | !tell muramasa about kp mantra |
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| 13:23.29 | muramasa | wols, I'm not sure what I did wrong now, but what dpkg says about kp mantra I did |
| 13:23.45 | wols | "make-kpkg" is NOT the kp mantra |
| 13:24.03 | wols | "maikeru-laptop:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24# make-kpkg" is ALL you had |
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| 13:26.48 | muramasa | wols, so I was supposed to write make-kpkg together with all that dpkg says? |
| 13:26.48 | foobar8 | robboplus_: i just added another ip to an interface, added a route to a host with src set to this new ip, fixed fw rules and it works |
| 13:26.58 | muramasa | tralala, http://paste.debian.net/49213 this? |
| 13:27.27 | foobar8 | robboplus_: a ping to that host uses the new ip as src address |
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| 13:29.36 | tralala | muramasa, okay, that's looks good enough. Now follow the kp mantra (without the clean command). Use the exact command dpkg gives you with --initrd |
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| 13:30.56 | Strogg | this is sort of off-topic, but does anyone know where all the busybox people hang out? I'm trying to get syslogd to play nice on a RO fs |
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| 13:31.16 | niklas | hey, can anyone give me the md5hash of the ssh binary in debian etch i386? |
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| 13:32.22 | muramasa | tralala, http://paste.debian.net/49215 :-( |
| 13:32.35 | Justin | niklas: ef75badecd778d4c91d8679c63a7512c |
| 13:32.53 | peterrooney | niklas: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-client.md5sums |
| 13:33.03 | niklas | thanks a lot |
| 13:33.11 | tralala | muramasa, erm.. okay, use clean and show me the beginning of the output |
| 13:33.17 | Justin | that too :) |
| 13:33.17 | peterrooney | cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-client.md5sums |
| 13:33.21 | niklas | now I know it's not compromised by the backdoor |
| 13:33.35 | foobar8 | niklas: you don't |
| 13:33.40 | peterrooney | whoah, sorry - trigger happy on the up arrow :) |
| 13:33.41 | foobar8 | niklas: you (maybe) don't |
| 13:33.44 | Strogg | niklas: unless they changed the md5sum in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-client.md5sums |
| 13:33.55 | Strogg | niklas: or they changed the md5sum binary :) |
| 13:34.00 | niklas | buty they didn't change it in yours |
| 13:34.14 | niklas | Justins |
| 13:34.16 | peterrooney | i did so change it in mine |
| 13:35.00 | tralala | niklas, if you want to be sure your machine hasn't been compromised you need to do whatever tests you're doing from a live-cd |
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| 13:35.51 | niklas | I know my machine has been compromised I'm trying to find out which binaries are clean and I'm checking from a rescue system booted over the network so my md5sum binary is clean |
| 13:36.21 | muramasa | tralala, err.. it went bit too quick for me to copy it, any way of scrolling up to stuff that has been "moved away" from the terminal? |
| 13:36.53 | tralala | muramasa, press ctrl+s to stop the output and shift+pgup to scroll |
| 13:37.10 | foobar8 | niklas: nice, just out of curiousity: how did you detect the compromise? |
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| 13:37.45 | niklas | well the server went berserk |
| 13:37.55 | tralala | niklas, there are automated intrusion detection tools in debian |
| 13:38.24 | niklas | I know, we have checked with rkhunter version 1.30 from testing and chkrootkit but neither found anything |
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| 13:38.54 | niklas | can you tell me the md5sum of your sshd binary? |
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| 13:39.23 | pumpkin0 | niklas: IDS is best installed before the server goes live and it checks against changes, not against a virus-def files. |
| 13:40.02 | foobar8 | niklas: 492d1a3179b5d9035fa1a704e46bd14c |
| 13:40.48 | tralala | niklas, md5 won't really help. Just backup and reinstall. |
| 13:41.18 | niklas | we ares till in the investigation pahse, do you think thats the only safe enough option? I mean thats the Windows way of doing things |
| 13:41.53 | tralala | niklas, it's probably the fastest option. |
| 13:42.42 | niklas | tralala: ok I will check with my Team |
| 13:42.47 | tralala | but if you're not in a hurry, you can clone the server (/msg dpkg debian clone) to another machine and generate md5sums of the whole fs |
| 13:43.37 | niklas | I only really need to know about two more binaries which are subject to suspicion |
| 13:44.36 | tralala | niklas, have you ruled out hardware failure? |
| 13:44.40 | niklas | can you tell me the md5sums of ps and kill, those have suspicious timestamps |
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| 13:44.52 | telmich | hello |
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| 13:45.12 | niklas | tralala: yeah our provider took the server off the net as it DDoSed some other system |
| 13:46.23 | tralala | 7ccfcd49105666c1fce8ee5b88cad6ae ps |
| 13:46.24 | tralala | 30735dbddbbeff1c32e6a866da71a607 kill |
| 13:47.02 | niklas | tralala: It seems like the rootkit has backuped the original binaries, we have found them under /usr/share/locale/backup2 and they seem to be theoriginal ones |
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| 13:47.22 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to force transfering swap back to RAM again, if there is enough RAM again? |
| 13:47.26 | tralala | niklas, ps and kill? |
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| 13:47.33 | niklas | tralala: while they have differnet md5s to the ones in the normal directory they have the same as yours |
| 13:47.39 | rdz | does that make sense at all? |
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| 13:48.05 | foobar8 | rdfz: swapoff |
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| 13:48.11 | foobar8 | rdz: swapoff |
| 13:48.22 | tralala | rdz, why force a transfer? It well be transferred when needed. |
| 13:48.24 | telmich | is is possible, that the postgresql-8.3 package is missing /etc/postgresql/8.3? |
| 13:48.37 | telmich | or should one create it manually? |
| 13:48.47 | telmich | (on lenny) |
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| 13:48.53 | tralala | telmich, /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.3 |
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| 13:49.12 | niklas | tralala: do you know a way to use diff for binaries? |
| 13:49.20 | tralala | niklas, cmp |
| 13:49.23 | rdz | tralala, yeah, but only on some actions... i'd prefer to do it now so that i don't have to wait afterwards |
| 13:49.29 | tralala | niklas, diff -b works too |
| 13:49.42 | rdz | foobar8, thanks |
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| 13:49.55 | niklas | thanks |
| 13:50.01 | tralala | sure |
| 13:50.40 | muramasa | tralala, guess I will show you the first lines when making a new command, as I cant reach that output now |
| 13:50.41 | foobar8 | rdz: and no it probably doesn't make sense |
| 13:50.59 | lero | i have one debian woody, when i start it i see: "mouting local filesystems: nothing mounted", then it says to me put the password for maintenence or ctrl+d to normal startup. it i hit ctrl+d it starts the daemons fine. the filesystem is clean too, anyone now what can be? |
| 13:51.04 | telmich | tralala: sorry, I am told to install 'postgresql-8.3', which _is_ installed |
| 13:51.27 | rdz | foobar8, it worked.. |
| 13:51.45 | niklas | hmm cmp -b only shows one byte difference thats odd |
| 13:51.56 | rdz | foobar8, it seems yes.. i can scroll in iceweasel again without accessing the disk (having to wait) |
| 13:52.34 | foobar8 | rdz: but now you don't have swap space any more |
| 13:52.34 | tralala | muramasa, nevermind, when the building is done install the kernel and see if you get AHCI in the /boot/config |
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| 13:52.54 | rdz | foobar8, of course, i turned it on again |
| 13:53.00 | rdz | foobar8, but now it's empty |
| 13:53.00 | foobar8 | rdz: ;-) |
| 13:53.02 | tralala | niklas, cmp doesn't display the differences, it stops when it hits a difference |
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| 13:53.04 | muramasa | tralala, ah ok :-) (how did I install kernel?:() |
| 13:53.21 | niklas | tralala: Thought something like that |
| 13:53.25 | tralala | muramasa, with dpkg -i /usr/src/linux-image-version.deb |
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| 13:54.21 | muramasa | tralala, ah right :-) hm, will I have two .deb files now, seeing as this is the second time compiling? |
| 13:54.37 | wols | muramasa: it will usually overwrite the other one and warn you about it |
| 13:54.50 | tralala | muramasa, I'm not sure. I haven't compiled a kernel for quite a while. |
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| 13:55.16 | muramasa | tralala wols, ok! :) |
| 13:56.00 | tralala | muramasa, normally I wouldn't throw you in this pain, but right now there aren't any publicly available kernel builds that aren't exploitable. |
| 13:56.15 | tralala | not for etch anyway |
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| 13:57.39 | muramasa | tralala, I'm glad to recieve any help, and this is a learning game for me :-) Seeing as I'm a beginner, every experience is a good experience |
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| 13:57.41 | Knight_Lord | tralala locally exploitable kernels are cool, they increase your trust relationship with your users ;) |
| 13:58.05 | tralala | Knight_Lord, hehe |
| 13:58.25 | muramasa | guess an increasing trust for myself is something good :-) |
| 13:59.01 | tralala | muramasa, I'd have to respectfully disagree - building kernels is something users should never have to experience unless they want to. |
| 13:59.39 | tralala | or any other building for that matter |
| 14:00.16 | muramasa | hehe, as in building with ./configure make make install stuff?:-) |
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| 14:01.07 | psycodad | hi, does anybody know if its possible to draw 2 ips on the same interface with dhcp ? |
| 14:01.51 | wols | psycodad: if you create an interface eth0:1 then yes |
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| 14:02.22 | tralala | muramasa, as in anything more than aptitude install |
| 14:02.28 | psycodad | wols: ah, new mac then, that should work, thx! |
| 14:02.30 | muramasa | tralala, hehe |
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| 14:03.25 | tarzeau | !Dynamic MMap |
| 14:03.25 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 14:03.31 | muramasa | tralala, I did find compiling pidgin before I found about backports quite amusing :-) |
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| 14:07.17 | clusty | anyone used pbzip? |
| 14:07.29 | Bushmills | what was the dpkg factoid with the url to debian admin page for creating a .deb ? |
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| 14:08.07 | tralala | muramasa, in that case the amusement level should be significantly up the scale now |
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| 14:08.49 | muramasa | tralala, the hangover do remove some of the joy :-) |
| 14:08.55 | up_the_irons | what package provides "ps2pdf" in etch? |
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| 14:09.02 | up_the_irons | can't seem to find it |
| 14:09.09 | beardy | !apt-file |
| 14:09.09 | dpkg | methinks apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
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| 14:09.55 | up_the_irons | beardy: but ps2pdf isn't installed |
| 14:10.02 | up_the_irons | beardy: i'm trying to find the package that provides it |
| 14:10.05 | beardy | up_the_irons: (/usr/bin/{ps2pdf|ps2pdf12|ps2pdf13|...}) in text/gs-common. |
| 14:10.10 | beardy | up_the_irons: Read. |
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| 14:10.20 | up_the_irons | beardy: thanks |
| 14:10.44 | beardy | up_the_irons: apt-file lets you search for it regardless if it's installed or not |
| 14:10.59 | up_the_irons | beardy: o'rly? neat |
| 14:11.09 | tralala | muramasa, fun and stability appear to be controversial goals |
| 14:11.26 | muramasa | tralala, hehe, true ;) |
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| 14:22.23 | clusty | how can I do a smb mount where just root can read,write,exec? |
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| 14:24.50 | wols | clusty: deine that only root has access to that share |
| 14:25.28 | clusty | wols, did not understand |
| 14:25.54 | wols | you define shares in your smb.conf |
| 14:25.59 | wols | define one that is for root only |
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| 14:27.49 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 14:28.15 | dazjorz | I noticed the Debian Bug which allowed non-root to become root in Linux 2.6.16 to 2.6.24 or something like that |
| 14:28.36 | dazjorz | Now I turned off all external shells, however, I still don't really trust it |
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| 14:28.48 | dazjorz | What if another such bug is detected and somebody sees it before me... |
| 14:28.53 | wols | dazjorz: there is a security update already |
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| 14:29.06 | dazjorz | is there a way to subscribe to Debians' bug system to get an e-mail every time a critical bug is found? |
| 14:29.13 | wols | that is a risk you have to always bear, with ANY OS. no exceptons |
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| 14:29.19 | wols | yes there is |
| 14:29.20 | petemc | !dsa |
| 14:29.20 | dpkg | dsa is probably Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 14:29.25 | wols | !tell dazjorz about security |
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| 14:32.20 | tralala | dazjorz, usually the fixes appear on s.d.o _before_ the announcement on the mailing list, so it is enough to regularly use aptitude |
| 14:32.21 | dazjorz | thanks a lot wols :) |
| 14:32.34 | dazjorz | and tralala |
| 14:32.37 | dazjorz | and petemc :) |
| 14:32.55 | tralala | dazjorz, you're welcome |
| 14:33.25 | petemc | very thorough |
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| 14:37.35 | muramasa | Cheers! grep AHCI /boot/config* now returns /boot/config-2.6.24-maikeru-laptop-i386:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=m |
| 14:37.35 | muramasa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.10 | testergg1 | Hi, I have 2 nics, one having an IP of 192.168.5.151 and another 192.168.1.151 on the same etch box, I am able to ping the gateway 192.168.5.1 no problem, on the 192.168.1.151 there is another pc (192.168.1.2) that can ping my 1.151 box but my 1.151 box can't ping 1.2 I'm not that good in networking can anyone suggest what I can read or how to fix this, I want only traffic going to 192.168.1.x to use the interface 192.168.1.151 and all other |
| 14:38.10 | testergg1 | traffic to go to the 192.168.5.151 |
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| 14:39.05 | muramasa | tralala, trying my luck when booting into the new kernel this time! catch you on the flipside |
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| 14:39.29 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 14:39.50 | dazjorz | wols / tralala / petemc: the debian-security-announce mailing list only contains fix posts |
| 14:39.53 | dazjorz | not bug reports |
| 14:40.00 | dazjorz | so as long as no fix is made... |
| 14:40.29 | wols | then subscibre to CERT mailinglists or such |
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| 14:40.38 | wols | *subscribe |
| 14:40.50 | tralala | dazjorz, well as long as no fix is made there isn't much to announce isn't there? |
| 14:41.12 | tralala | *is there |
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| 14:42.40 | dazjorz | tralala: yes, I want to know when something is wrong so I can shut stuff down before it goes wrong |
| 14:42.50 | dazjorz | tralala: I rather disable my shells than have someone gain root |
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| 14:44.13 | tralala | dazjorz, following security disclosures used to involve subsribing to multiple mailing lists some of which of questionable authority. I don't know if much has changed recently. |
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| 14:45.27 | dazjorz | tralala: I can subscribe to bugs, can't I subscribe to the complete bugreport system, but only to those bugs marked critical? |
| 14:45.32 | dazjorz | that'd be a great feature |
| 14:46.04 | tralala | dazjorz, I don't think that there's a bug filed for every security problem |
| 14:46.13 | dazjorz | tralala: it's better than nothing |
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| 14:47.27 | tralala | dazjorz, I don't know about subscribing but there are some tools in debian for querying the bts. You should be able to use them to keep a track of the new bug reports |
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| 14:48.00 | dazjorz | tralala: okay, thanks, I'll check for them |
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| 14:51.51 | junix|work | hi, i am having some issues getting OTRS setup, i was wondering if anyone has used this or had any problems? my icons in the web browser are not showing up, i'm not sure why. I am using Debian 4.0, and OTRS 2.2.4/2.2.5 neither will work |
| 14:52.22 | Joelito | hi all, I've install 2 window managers, gnome and kde, is it possible to random start with one of them each time I turn-on my pc? |
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| 14:52.37 | jm|home | Upstream 448000 |
| 14:52.39 | jm|home | Downstream 4256000 |
| 14:52.43 | jm|home | er wrong chan |
| 14:53.03 | tralala | Joelito, not without some coding |
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| 14:53.38 | Miesco | SHould I upgrade all my packages to the latest in etch-backports? |
| 14:53.40 | Joelito | tralala: Do you know a link which I can loop up |
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| 14:54.12 | tralala | Joelito, not really. I've never heard anybody doing anything like this. |
| 14:54.25 | tralala | Miesco, no |
| 14:54.49 | Miesco | tralala: Why not? |
| 14:54.51 | Joelito | tralala: oh, ok...thanks...I'll keep searching |
| 14:54.58 | Miesco | They unstable? |
| 14:54.59 | tralala | Miesco, you should pin backports to have lower priority than etch and only install what you need from there. |
| 14:55.07 | wols | Miesco: no |
| 14:55.13 | Miesco | Okay |
| 14:55.30 | wols | Miesco: forexample there are no updates for backports. e.g. with security fixes or such |
| 14:55.43 | Miesco | Okay I see |
| 14:55.49 | Miesco | :) |
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| 14:56.09 | tralala | %| |
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| 14:57.20 | muramasa | tralala, wiii ;) |
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| 15:00.03 | muramasa | tralala, sound works too !!!!!! :) |
| 15:00.16 | muramasa | wols tralala, thanks alot both of you :-)) |
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| 15:04.17 | cyzie | is there a document describing the debian control file? |
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| 15:05.30 | redeeman | hmm |
| 15:05.38 | redeeman | can i see what is pulling in some new packages? |
| 15:05.50 | wols | redeeman: yes |
| 15:06.01 | redeeman | aptitude wants me to install apache-common |
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| 15:06.28 | redeeman | wols: could you share how? :) |
| 15:06.29 | edthefox | are there any dual booters in here? |
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| 15:06.42 | redeeman | edthefox: sure, i dualboot between quite a few installs |
| 15:07.07 | wols | apt-depends for example |
| 15:07.08 | yang | WTF. Is Tigon3 ethernet device (its integrated on motherboard in IBM servers) |
| 15:07.10 | edthefox | redeeman: do you run xp or similar? |
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| 15:07.25 | yang | Which modules should I use for it? |
| 15:07.26 | redeeman | edthefox: no, i don't use such crappy OS's :P |
| 15:07.34 | edthefox | oh ok |
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| 15:07.39 | redeeman | wols: will this show me why a package is going to be pulled in? |
| 15:07.51 | wols | yang: tg3.ko? |
| 15:07.59 | wols | redeeman: yes |
| 15:08.16 | redeeman | wols: i cannot find apt-depend, is it not available in etch? |
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| 15:08.24 | wols | edthefox: ask your real question |
| 15:08.28 | wols | !tell redeeman about installit |
| 15:08.36 | yang | its loaded but network doesnt work |
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| 15:08.53 | wols | apt-rdepends |
| 15:09.00 | wols | yang: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 15:09.21 | redeeman | well that R helps, because i DID search for it, but well, apt-depends werent in there :P |
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| 15:10.12 | yang | cannot paste here its eth0 |
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| 15:10.22 | wols | !paste |
| 15:10.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:10.24 | edthefox | wols: I have not a question but a link to http://www.ext2fsd.com that I would suggest be added to the dpkg bot |
| 15:10.27 | wols | !tell yang about doesn't work |
| 15:10.35 | yang | wols: i cannot paste if the computer is not in network |
| 15:10.37 | wols | !fsdriver |
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| 15:10.58 | wols | edthefox: the bot already has a ext2 driver for windows factoid. read and write |
| 15:11.23 | edthefox | wols: okey thx |
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| 15:11.29 | wols | yang: but you can read and type. and if it has eth0 looks like it's working |
| 15:11.39 | wols | edthefox: fd-driver.org I think |
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| 15:12.47 | edthefox | !fsdriver |
| 15:13.14 | Math^ | hello, anyone know how I can tottaly erase my harddisk? cos I'm having problems installing linux next to windows... |
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| 15:13.31 | yang | wols: http://openpaste.org/en/5136/ |
| 15:13.38 | SlayerXP | is anyone aware of a debootstrap-like tool for opensuse? |
| 15:13.39 | Slap_Stick | hey guys, quick question, in cron if you have 1 * * * * will that run every 1 minute past the hour? |
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| 15:14.02 | yang | wols: these are dmesg |
| 15:14.16 | mike_jh | Has anyone got a moment for me to annoy them with some questions on a borked apt-get install of bugzilla? |
| 15:14.18 | wols | I can see it. it seems ti's recognized and all. so what's the problem? |
| 15:14.27 | wols | mike_jh: never ask to ask, just ask |
| 15:14.42 | mike_jh | SlayerXP: You can do an "install into directory" in YaST |
| 15:14.48 | mike_jh | wols: Sorry :-) |
| 15:15.22 | lero | my debian after this line "setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix... done." |
| 15:15.22 | lero | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.22 | lero | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.28 | wols | Slap_Stick: ask #opensuse? |
| 15:15.39 | Slap_Stick | wols: why opensuse? |
| 15:15.50 | wols | soory. was for SlayerXP |
| 15:15.51 | abrotman | Slap_Stick: yes |
| 15:16.02 | Slap_Stick | abrotman: thought so, just wanted to check thanks |
| 15:16.27 | yang | wols: i cannot ping outside |
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| 15:17.18 | mike_jh | I've done an apt-get install of bugzilla but the ncurses didn't render some of the config windows corerctly so I couldn't see what they were asking so it b0rked the install |
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| 15:17.45 | mike_jh | Now it seems to not want to install /etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-params cause it was deleted |
| 15:17.51 | wols | yang: is there an IP assigned? is there a route set? is DNS working? |
| 15:17.55 | mike_jh | Then the post install b0rks cause it was missing |
| 15:18.08 | wols | yang: either you start giving us info or you have to solve your problems on your own |
| 15:18.17 | mike_jh | Can I totoally remove all trace of buzilla and start again? and also start the post config without the ncurses interface? |
| 15:18.28 | wols | !tell mike_jh about bat |
| 15:18.35 | wols | yes, purge it |
| 15:18.37 | mike_jh | I've tried --purge which removed the config file but did the same agian |
| 15:18.42 | wols | and yes you can. dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 15:19.02 | yang | wols: yes its assigned |
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| 15:20.23 | yang | wols: i was just blind, and didn't see 2x ethernet port backside, it works now, thanks |
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| 15:20.52 | path__ | hi huys |
| 15:20.53 | Faragder | Hi, does CPANEL support debian? Is it possible to run Cpanel on debian? |
| 15:21.04 | wols | Faragder: ask cpanel vendors |
| 15:21.06 | path__ | is there a flash plugin for 64 bits ? |
| 15:21.13 | path__ | cant find it |
| 15:21.18 | mike_jh | wols: http://paste.debian.net/49220 |
| 15:21.42 | abrotman | path__: nspluginwrapper |
| 15:21.46 | path__ | hahah |
| 15:21.49 | wols | mike_jh: I told you purge it, change ysour debconf settings and off you go |
| 15:22.10 | path__ | thanks abrotman |
| 15:22.11 | wols | path__: you must use nspluginwrapper (which is not in etch) and a 32bit flash plugin |
| 15:22.27 | yang | is there a command to auto-configure sources.list ? |
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| 15:23.18 | path__ | wols, thanks! :D |
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| 15:23.30 | Faragder | no one here uses cpanel on debian? |
| 15:23.42 | wols | !cpanel |
| 15:23.42 | dpkg | hmm... cpanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 15:23.56 | wols | Faragder: it#s not in debian so OT here |
| 15:24.01 | mike_jh | Faragder: SSH is a good control panel |
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| 15:24.09 | Aliosa27 | amen |
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| 15:24.22 | Faragder | for newbie customers it ain't |
| 15:24.23 | wols | mike_jh: it's the BEST control panel |
| 15:24.27 | Faragder | SSH sucks for them |
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| 15:24.31 | abrotman | Faragder: ask them .. not us |
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| 15:25.01 | Faragder | I did already, I think it was just rather reasonable to check if anyone in #debian used Cpanel on debian servers |
| 15:25.59 | mike_jh | Faragder: So does my vacume cleaner, I don't complain |
| 15:26.28 | wols | Faragder: it's VERY unreasonable to ask anyone questins |
| 15:26.30 | mike_jh | wols: I did a purge and reinstall with readline but it dropped the same error again: |
| 15:26.31 | wols | !tell Faragder about anyone |
| 15:26.33 | mike_jh | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-params |
| 15:26.40 | mike_jh | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst: line 107: /etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-params: No such file or directory |
| 15:26.41 | wols | mike_jh: etch ? |
| 15:26.45 | mike_jh | Lenny |
| 15:26.53 | wols | your problem then. HAND |
| 15:27.03 | Knight_Lord | Faragder i'm afraid some people in this channel are not very constructive :| |
| 15:27.30 | wols | Knight_Lord: if something is not in debian, and is prorpietary to boot it's OT in #debian |
| 15:28.27 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: and how exactly was your comment constructive? |
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| 15:28.48 | Optic | what's a good vulnerability scanner? |
| 15:28.56 | Optic | i have a debian 3.1 box that just got owned :) |
| 15:28.59 | wols | !harden |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | [harden] D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 15:29.03 | wols | Optic: reinstall |
| 15:29.05 | Knight_Lord | abrotman it was not, but people should be a bit less aggressive to others who ask question I think |
| 15:29.13 | Optic | wols: yeah, i think you're right |
| 15:29.17 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: his question was offtopic .. and he was told as much |
| 15:29.57 | mike_jh | How does apt know that a config file was deleted and can one flush it of this knoledge? |
| 15:30.01 | wols | Knight_Lord: and I told him to ask the vendor of cpanel. it's their software, their problem. Same thing I told you. also "anyone" questions are so ubituitous and useless that they have their own factoid |
| 15:30.12 | wols | !confmiss |
| 15:30.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 15:30.37 | wols | mike_jh: if you simply purged it, apt will do the config again and creates the config files too |
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| 15:31.30 | GuilhermeBrant | How to unrar a file on debian? |
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| 15:31.36 | wols | !unrar |
| 15:31.36 | dpkg | well, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 15:31.45 | Knight_Lord | GuilhermeBrant unrar e |
| 15:31.49 | GuilhermeBrant | i've already downloaded unrar and ark |
| 15:31.51 | wols | GuilhermeBrant: unrar-free doesn't support all rar versions |
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| 15:31.54 | GuilhermeBrant | but they don't open the file |
| 15:32.05 | wols | GuilhermeBrant: which unrar? |
| 15:32.35 | GuilhermeBrant | unrar-free and ark |
| 15:32.48 | wols | then read the dpkg factoid again |
| 15:32.51 | Knight_Lord | GuilhermeBrant I would try the non-free |
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| 15:33.07 | GuilhermeBrant | i'll try it later,thanks |
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| 15:39.06 | Grunt | quelqu'un sait comment être sur plusieurs chans en même temps avec irssi? |
| 15:39.33 | Grunt | Je suis sur une babasse sans interface graph ( pour l'instant) donc google c'est mort |
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| 15:40.09 | Bubbletoes | how do i restart inetd without rebooting? |
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| 15:40.19 | Knight_Lord | Grunt #debian-fr |
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| 15:40.44 | Knight_Lord | Bubbletoes you want to reload inetd.conf? |
| 15:40.51 | Bubbletoes | yes pls |
| 15:40.55 | Knight_Lord | kill -HUP <inetd pid> |
| 15:41.03 | Grunt | Knight_Lord: excuse me, I come from a french chan and didn't remember this one wasn't |
| 15:41.21 | Knight_Lord | Bubbletoes you can get inetd pid with ps for example |
| 15:41.50 | abrotman | or pidof |
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| 15:42.29 | Bubbletoes | thank you! :o) however, is there a way i can re-launch the daemon? |
| 15:43.10 | Grunt | Does somebody knows how to join more than one chan at the same time with irssi? This computer doesn't (yet) got X server so I can't search on web |
| 15:43.37 | abrotman | Grunt: /j #newchannel .. then use /win # or ctrl-n/ctrl-p to move around |
| 15:43.45 | deadkode | just join the channel, and switch between windows with /win # |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | Bubbletoes: that's what HUP does |
| 15:43.58 | abrotman | kind of |
| 15:44.44 | Grunt | abrotman: thanks ! |
| 15:46.06 | wols | abrotman: I'm lazy and use /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart :) |
| 15:46.13 | wols | can nevre remember the kill HUP command |
| 15:46.16 | abrotman | that'll work i suppose |
| 15:46.26 | abrotman | wols: kill -1 `pidof inetd` |
| 15:46.32 | wols | has the advantage of working with ALL of them |
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| 15:48.46 | Sazpaimon | hmm |
| 15:48.48 | Sazpaimon | you know what |
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| 15:48.55 | Sazpaimon | if I look at one of these files |
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| 15:49.34 | Sazpaimon | http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5783/vlcmediaplayer2hr0.png |
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| 15:49.44 | Sazpaimon | it looks as if the SEGA logo is stretched out |
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| 15:49.55 | Sazpaimon | wait what the hell |
| 15:50.00 | Sazpaimon | wrong tab |
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| 15:55.28 | dazjorz | Hmm |
| 15:55.53 | fabrice | hi, can someone help me in debian to restart kdm , what shall i use in shell ? (i can't start kde anymore) |
| 15:55.58 | dazjorz | This critical bug in Linux 2.6 (local root exploit)... |
| 15:56.03 | dazjorz | I got the fixed kernel for etch |
| 15:56.20 | dazjorz | if I reboot, and load the new kernel, and I try the exploit, it will pose no risk at all, right? |
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| 15:56.27 | dazjorz | it won't be able to mess with *any* memory? |
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| 15:59.04 | wols | fabrice: startkde |
| 15:59.07 | wols | dazjorz: yes |
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| 16:00.35 | sbahra | Hi |
| 16:00.36 | dazjorz | the reason why I ask the question, I ran the PoC on my laptop and the system turned unstable |
| 16:00.36 | sbahra | Anyone here running Debian on sun4u? |
| 16:00.36 | muramasa | Does anyone know how to dock the SCIM-toolbar ( http://www.ruturaj.net/images/SCIM-toolbar.png ) to systray? |
| 16:00.37 | dazjorz | I was unable to run Firefox becuase of a memory error, for example |
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| 16:00.45 | sbahra | Anyone here running Debian on sun4u? <- Also, do you have one of Sun's graphics cards? |
| 16:00.53 | dazjorz | That was an Ubuntu box, by the way |
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| 16:01.02 | Zharf | how can I disallow loading of a certain module? |
| 16:01.08 | dazjorz | But the exploit should be fixed in the new kernel for etch |
| 16:01.16 | dazjorz | I already upgraded, but it should be able to mess with anything now it's fixed, right, wols? |
| 16:01.20 | dazjorz | or will it just be unable to get root? |
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| 16:03.18 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 16:03.19 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:03.20 | acemi | Zharf: echo install module_name /bin/true >/etc/modprobe.d/filename |
| 16:03.26 | Enf0rc3r | whats the command to reconfigure Xorg? |
| 16:03.43 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 16:03.43 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 16:03.46 | abrotman | !drxx Enf0rc3r |
| 16:03.46 | dpkg | Enf0rc3r: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 16:04.04 | Zharf | thanks |
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| 16:05.21 | fabrice | wols: i used in root many commands as kde, startkde and some things like /etc/rc.d/kdm start nothing works so far :( |
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| 16:07.38 | Grunt | fabrice: did you try "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" ? |
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| 16:09.07 | fabrice | Grunt: not exaclty this one |
| 16:09.13 | fabrice | i'll try this |
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| 16:09.53 | fabrice | Grunt: byt the way where did you get this command ine from ? i 'm supposed to guess or is it documented somewhere in a esay to remind place ? |
| 16:10.24 | fabrice | Grunt: i'm a 2 days old baby in debian and not yet used to *nix good habits ;) |
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| 16:11.08 | chance2105 | In Lenny, the usplash package once removed does not restore grub's menu.1st that it modifies. It caused my system to not be able to start X (due to vesa fb). Is this correct behavior, or should the package have been removing using --purge? |
| 16:11.24 | enouf | fabrice: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 16:11.31 | Grunt | fabrice: can't remember when and where I learn that, sorry |
| 16:11.44 | dazjorz | Hmm also now |
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| 16:11.54 | dazjorz | Local time is 17:11 so GMT will be 16:11 |
| 16:12.00 | xaviercardil | hi |
| 16:12.10 | dazjorz | but Debian says local time is 18:11 and GMT is 17:11 |
| 16:12.20 | dazjorz | it probably thinks system time is GMT |
| 16:12.23 | dazjorz | how do I change that? |
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| 16:12.42 | enouf | fabrice: /usr/share/doc/ is the default doc location, man kdm, etc |
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| 16:12.45 | fabrice | Grunt: thks ;) |
| 16:12.49 | beardy | !set the time |
| 16:12.49 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 16:12.57 | osiolnet | elooo |
| 16:13.02 | xaviercardil | I'm loading a debian netstint from a USB key, I installed lilo because of the grub bug to load big kernels. Ho do I speciffy LILO to load the kernel at /dev/sdb1 ? ? ? ? |
| 16:13.08 | osiolnet | http://osiol.net.myminicity.com/ |
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| 16:13.24 | chance2105 | I'm in reportbug about to shoot off a bug about it, but it hit me that I just removed the package outright. |
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| 16:13.54 | dazjorz | thanks beardy :) |
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| 16:14.21 | Bolly | hi does df round up by default for usage? |
| 16:14.45 | abrotman | round up? |
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| 16:14.59 | Bolly | yeah it's percentage used |
| 16:15.04 | enouf | xaviercardil: maybe at tldp.org you can find LiLo info, but what grub bug with big kernels? you likely mean zImage vs bzImage |
| 16:15.18 | abrotman | oh .. probably uses standard rounding |
| 16:15.26 | Bolly | anyway i can get a float instead? |
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| 16:15.41 | beardy | Yes, probably what libc uses. |
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| 16:15.54 | enouf | a thanksgiving day parade float? |
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| 16:16.13 | tralala | Bolly, if you need presision you can get df to output in bytes and you can calculate the ratio yourself |
| 16:16.17 | nouri | I'm having a little problem with a directory of mine: |
| 16:16.30 | nouri | It says Input/output error when I try to stat it |
| 16:16.45 | Bolly | that sounds good tral |
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| 16:16.56 | adamb | So I have a 32bit machine laying around and need to run a few virtual private servers on it, should I go with xen? |
| 16:16.56 | Grunt | xaviercardil: edit (carefully) /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:17.07 | xaviercardil | enouf the thing is that I did what the debian USB install manual says and it does not work. What is the image inside the boot that you have to load as a kernel ? |
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| 16:18.36 | Grunt | xaviercardil: excuse me.. hope it's the same for lilo |
| 16:18.47 | enouf | xaviercardil: can you point me to exactly what you're reading? |
| 16:18.48 | xaviercardil | yes I know |
| 16:19.10 | xaviercardil | but what is the kernel you have to load to start the installation ? the gz supplied is this one |
| 16:19.12 | xaviercardil | boot.img.gz |
| 16:19.28 | xaviercardil | inside you have different files. What is the kernel you have to load ? |
| 16:19.41 | Bolly | thanks for yoru help everyone |
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| 16:20.30 | enouf | xaviercardil: here? http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 16:21.09 | xaviercardil | are you reading? |
| 16:21.21 | xaviercardil | I said I Followed that and it does not work |
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| 16:23.47 | enouf | xaviercardil: do you know how to answer a question? |
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| 16:25.15 | xaviercardil | enouf I think it's me who has the right to ask you why you are giving me useless links while I'm looking for a serious solution |
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| 16:26.43 | enouf | xaviercardil: " but what grub bug with big kernels? " question 1, never answered -- "can you point me to exactly what you're reading? question 2 , never answered = so long b0z0" |
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| 16:27.43 | xaviercardil | enouf let it be you are not ready to help with this case |
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| 16:30.03 | tralala | xaviercardil, man lilo.conf |
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| 16:30.29 | liable | xaviercardil: try this way, if your net is supported by the kernel, no need for the iso image on it. (oh, and you can use the etch hd-media images) http://foomagic.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_Debian_on_the_eeepc |
| 16:30.40 | tralala | xaviercardil, also have you seen /msg dpkg usb install? |
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| 16:31.06 | xaviercardil | well now the kernel is booting but now I have to mount the iso ? or what . . . |
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| 16:31.10 | xaviercardil | mmmmm+ |
| 16:31.21 | liable | it should search for the iso |
| 16:31.56 | xaviercardil | the iso as a partition ? All the files are on 1 partition for less ball-breaking |
| 16:32.24 | liable | the iso should be an .. iso |
| 16:32.59 | xaviercardil | I think I have to do a menu.lst with root= but how I especifity that the iso must be loaded ? I never did that on grub |
| 16:33.23 | xaviercardil | normally as root you specify a /dev/ |
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| 16:34.01 | liable | you load the image with grub, you dont even need to gunzip it, the image will look for an iso. if you use the hd-media kernel, then you dont even need an iso if your network connection works |
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| 16:35.18 | znh | can somebody recommend me a webbased monitor, to monitor network traffic, cpu usage and such? |
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| 16:35.54 | xaviercardil | liable that will not work |
| 16:36.06 | liable | xaviercardil: what will not work? |
| 16:36.07 | xaviercardil | liable wait a sec |
| 16:36.39 | liable | xaviercardil: i just used that link i gave to to install from a usb stick |
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| 16:36.45 | tralala | eh, liable ... what do you know?!? |
| 16:37.16 | liable | tralala: i know that i should be going to bed. but i'll stick around to give you the shits for a while. |
| 16:37.21 | xaviercardil | liable that is not working for me, I don't now |
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| 16:38.33 | tralala | liable, especially for me! I'm flattered! |
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| 16:39.12 | zwerg | Hi there. |
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| 16:39.39 | liable | tralala: i might try and spread the annoyance around a bit. I haven't picked on enouf for a while. and now that abrotman is an op, it makes me nervous to poke fun at him ;) |
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| 16:40.12 | zwerg | I just read the setup-32bit-chroot-faq for amd64 and wondered why they don't recommend linking /etc. Is there a reason for that or did they just forget to say so? |
| 16:40.12 | tralala | liable, don't be a coward - smack him! |
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| 16:40.28 | abrotman | liable: you poked fun at me? |
| 16:41.37 | liable | abrotman: no, i am an avid fan that highly respects your contributions to the community as a whole. |
| 16:41.47 | tralala | coward! |
| 16:41.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:41.59 | enouf | liable: once you learn how to really use power tools, then we can talk O.o |
| 16:42.16 | zwerg | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292281 <-- Here, btw. |
| 16:42.33 | liable | damn, extension cord is to short |
| 16:42.51 | enouf | hehe |
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| 16:43.53 | Grunt | how dumb.. installing "gnome" doesn't install "xserver-xorg" |
| 16:43.54 | liable | enouf: i was a plumber. we never really learn anything anyway, just bodge it up as best you can and then bury it! |
| 16:44.15 | liable | Grunt: its an old and still valid argument |
| 16:44.50 | tralala | Grunt, why would it? I run gnome over X11 forwarding. |
| 16:44.59 | liable | Grunt: its the strange way the the xserver works with servers and clients. you dont neccessarily need xserver to run gnome |
| 16:45.16 | enouf | right - you're good at making a mess :-P (though some of you guys are talented - especially if you're in the pipe-fitters class) |
| 16:45.16 | Grunt | tralala: you're right |
| 16:45.31 | liable | rarely |
| 16:45.42 | tralala | Grunt, and you're good at stating the obvious |
| 16:45.52 | tralala | !smack liable |
| 16:46.01 | liable | i thought *I* was stating the obvious.. |
| 16:46.04 | liable | :) |
| 16:46.26 | tralala | !smack liable again |
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| 16:46.48 | tralala | !abuse dpkg |
| 16:46.58 | tralala | heh |
| 16:47.08 | liable | enouf: the old guys were good, and the muti-story guys that still do copper forming are good. |
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| 16:47.42 | liable | though i dont think they even use copper in multi story much any more |
| 16:47.55 | enouf | right .. and eww .. pvc? yuk |
| 16:48.08 | Grunt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.22 | enouf | and chimp can do pvc |
| 16:48.49 | liable | yes, anyone can glue it, but there are still standards and a little thinking involved. |
| 16:48.54 | enouf | i'm talking steam-fitters, but nowadays everything is hot water |
| 16:49.11 | enouf | i don't drink plastic, sorry ;-) |
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| 16:49.59 | liable | i am talking sewer, not water. and i bet polyethelene is healthier than your old lead pipes. :P |
| 16:50.08 | enouf | ahh DWV |
| 16:50.26 | enouf | and even the galvanized ones .. |
| 16:52.20 | enouf | liable: right, they only let the good ones deal with anythng wth "pressure" :-P |
| 16:52.46 | liable | enouf: bah, if your a licensed plumber you do both you tool! |
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| 16:53.27 | tralala | just like a licensed vista - it does everything you'd ever need |
| 16:53.29 | liable | i was a gas man myself, didnt even do any plumbing in ten years except during apprenticeship |
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| 16:54.27 | enouf | i know - its funny how up north here, i don't really need a license as a contractor, though down south, there's such shoddy work, they had to pass laws and make people obtain licenses |
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| 16:55.51 | enouf | yeah, gas and blackpipe is a whole other game, limits on run lengths, etc - not to mention more dangerous and possible liability |
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| 16:56.11 | enouf | speaking of which - i need to drop a boa soon |
| 16:56.22 | liable | thanks |
| 16:58.38 | liable | odd, the install guide says the hd-media initrd doesnt have network support, yet it does.. |
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| 16:59.07 | liable | i have used it a few times and it used my network card. |
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| 16:59.25 | nacho_ | hi |
| 16:59.37 | nacho_ | what happend with the tzconfig command in debian unstable? |
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| 16:59.48 | nacho_ | should i install another package than tzdata? |
| 16:59.54 | liable | !tzconfig |
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| 16:59.54 | dpkg | [setting time] if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift corrections later. |
| 17:00.00 | enouf | nacho_: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 17:00.07 | nacho_ | enouf, i did it |
| 17:00.17 | liable | hrm, that needs updating |
| 17:01.23 | enouf | either your bios sucks, your vmwarez sucks, or some other pebkac is involved ;-) |
| 17:01.51 | nacho_ | and i changed UTC to no in /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:02.09 | enouf | how about presenting a problem to solve |
| 17:02.37 | enouf | my crystal ball is being washed |
| 17:02.45 | liable | enouf: ok, world poverty. go chew on that for a while :P |
| 17:03.29 | enouf | liable: bring the people to where the food is \o/ |
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| 17:03.32 | nacho_ | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 17:03.45 | nacho_ | i am getting that when i do hwclock --systohc |
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| 17:04.42 | yang | Where can I get webcam module "gspca" ? |
| 17:04.56 | tralala | yang, /msg dpkg search |
| 17:04.59 | tralala | yang, it's in debian |
| 17:05.06 | yang | ok |
| 17:05.16 | cahoot | nacho_: try hwclock --systohc --directisa |
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| 17:05.55 | maddash | can traceroute be used to accurately measure the latency between me and the target server? |
| 17:06.23 | Schiz0 | maddash: Uh, isn't that what ping does? |
| 17:06.25 | tralala | maddash, isn't that what ping is supposed to do? |
| 17:06.31 | zwerg | maddash: What about ping? |
| 17:06.31 | tralala | !lose me |
| 17:06.31 | dpkg | tralala: You Lose. |
| 17:06.45 | amphi | enouf: haha |
| 17:06.51 | liable | !ignore tralala |
| 17:07.04 | enouf | dmesg|grep -i real |
| 17:07.11 | enouf | amphi: ;-) |
| 17:07.15 | maddash | whoops, s/traceroute/tcptraceroute/ |
| 17:07.19 | Eulex | maddash, try mtr if you want to find out what between you and the host is taking a long time or causing problems |
| 17:07.26 | amphi | enouf: a masterly summation ;) |
| 17:07.27 | maddash | and no, ping does EMP, while traceroute does UDP. |
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| 17:07.36 | nacho_ | cahoot, with that command i don't get any error |
| 17:07.45 | tralala | !punish liable |
| 17:07.59 | Eulex | *ICMP |
| 17:07.59 | liable | tux had better be hungry |
| 17:08.01 | enouf | amphi: atleast we have atomic annie where the food reserves are ;-) |
| 17:08.10 | maddash | but if I'm trying to measure the delay from when I send an HTTP request to a particular server, to the time that server receives it, I'd have to measure with TCP... |
| 17:08.28 | amphi | enouf: I was refering to < enouf> either your bios sucks, your vmwarez sucks, or some other pebkac is involved ;-) |
| 17:08.39 | tralala | liable, you better have some balls, 'cuz he is |
| 17:08.45 | Eulex | maddash, yes, and you'd also have to send a http request |
| 17:08.54 | Eulex | oh wait |
| 17:08.56 | enouf | amphi: oh .. and that too ;-) i'm loaded with summations this day |
| 17:08.56 | Eulex | I misread |
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| 17:09.11 | maddash | Eulex: is mtrr a package? |
| 17:09.18 | Eulex | maddash, mtr is that |
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| 17:09.49 | liable | tcptraceroute |
| 17:09.52 | maddash | hm, the aptitude brief says that it dishes out ICMP like ping |
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| 17:10.13 | muramasa | Hi people. Now after I've installed scim and anthy, I get this every time I start something from terminal: http://paste.debian.net/49238 . Does anyone know how to fix that? I dont need dual instances of SCIM running, as I always have one running from startup |
| 17:10.18 | peppe | maddash: siege? |
| 17:10.48 | HyperDevil | I have a serious error: i have configured Etch installer to make a RAID 5 of 4 500 GB HD's all well... then i get this error: Executing Grub Install failed (HD0).. :( can someone please help me? |
| 17:10.53 | yang | I am having difficulties with my webcam I have the picture upside/down - http://openpaste.org/en/5137/ |
| 17:10.57 | maddash | peppe: I wasn't really asking for package suggestions, just a yes or no on whether what I'm doing is getting me what I want |
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| 17:11.08 | maddash | I'm not a hot-shot network guy |
| 17:11.54 | maddash | peppe: siege looks nice, though |
| 17:11.58 | valdyn | !mtrr |
| 17:11.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mtrr is Memory Type Range Register, a feature on modern x86 processors that can give a 2.5x performance boost when using PCI/AGP graphics cards. MTRR's are supported by Intel PPro or higher, Cyrix 6x86L and AMD K6-2 (step>=8). Ask me about 'mtrr deb', courtesy of xk, which automatically configures /proc/mtrr. Read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/mtrr.txt to find out how to enable it the hard way. |
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| 17:12.18 | valdyn | !mtrr deb |
| 17:12.18 | dpkg | somebody said mtrr deb was at http://center.oftheinter.net/~debian/slink/ |
| 17:12.26 | valdyn | wow, that is old |
| 17:12.28 | peppe | maddash: if you want to measure _http_ latency you have to make an http request, so [tcp]traceroute and various ping stuff aren't the right way |
| 17:13.04 | valdyn | dpkg: mtrr=~ s/Type/Transfer/ |
| 17:13.08 | valdyn | dpkg: mtrr =~ s/Type/Transfer/ |
| 17:13.08 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 17:13.10 | maddash | peppe: you're right |
| 17:13.11 | valdyn | !mtrr |
| 17:13.12 | dpkg | from memory, mtrr is Memory Transfer Range Register, a feature on modern x86 processors that can give a 2.5x performance boost when using PCI/AGP graphics cards. MTRR's are supported by Intel PPro or higher, Cyrix 6x86L and AMD K6-2 (step>=8). Ask me about 'mtrr deb', courtesy of xk, which automatically configures /proc/mtrr. Read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/mtrr.txt to find out how to enable it the hard way. |
| 17:13.41 | valdyn | damn |
| 17:13.52 | valdyn | dpkg: mtrr =~ s/Transfer/Type/ |
| 17:13.52 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 17:15.58 | helo | it would be so nice if every time debian is installed it leaves a .cfg file to automate similar installs |
| 17:16.11 | valdyn | helo: thats around |
| 17:16.17 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 17:16.20 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 17:16.20 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 17:17.09 | abrotman | helo: i think you want preseeding |
| 17:17.13 | fabrice | i still can't restart my kde or kdm in debian |
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| 17:17.30 | helo | i've had problems in the past using similar (not identical) techniques that left me with tons of extra packages on the subsequent installs |
| 17:17.34 | zwerg | fabrice: Tried as root? |
| 17:17.37 | HyperDevil | I have a serious error: i have configured Etch installer to make a RAID 5 of 4 500 GB HD's all well... then i get this error: Executing Grub Install failed (HD0).. :( can someone please help me? |
| 17:17.43 | tralala | fabrice, why not? |
| 17:17.48 | fabrice | zwerg: as root yep |
| 17:17.56 | enouf | helo: could look at bootcd pkg too |
| 17:18.03 | valdyn | HyperDevil: grub doesnt know about raid5 |
| 17:18.26 | valdyn | HyperDevil: so it cannot boot when files needed to start the raid5 are on a raid5 |
| 17:18.33 | HyperDevil | valdyn: this is the same setup as i had in Sarge, just with lasrget disks |
| 17:18.36 | fabrice | i tried many things but kde is not starting, startkde or kdm or killa kdm or /etc/inti.d/kdm restart , nothing does it |
| 17:18.46 | HyperDevil | valdyn: yes it can boot linux from a raid 5 set |
| 17:18.49 | enouf | fabrice: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 17:18.55 | valdyn | HyperDevil: no, grub cant |
| 17:19.00 | valdyn | HyperDevil: what'S the setup? |
| 17:19.03 | enouf | fabrice: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
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| 17:19.28 | HyperDevil | valdyn: i have proof here it will..... ... 4x 500GB Raid 5.. 1.5 TB.. |
| 17:19.37 | fabrice | i used a dpkg-ereconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 17:19.49 | valdyn | HyperDevil: i dont know your complete setup. |
| 17:19.54 | fabrice | enouf: what's /msg for ? |
| 17:20.03 | HyperDevil | valdyn: what do you need to know? |
| 17:20.24 | enouf | fabrice: in your irc client do; "/msg dpkg install kde" |
| 17:20.27 | valdyn | HyperDevil: the kernel you are using, the other partitions / disks outside of that raid you may or may not have |
| 17:20.34 | enouf | fabrice: in your irc client do; "/msg dpkg grounding" |
| 17:20.36 | znh | Hello. Can somebody advice me a webbased monitor, that keeps track of CPU usage and network throughput |
| 17:20.45 | HyperDevil | valdyn: i dont know i am still in the install stage with the CD netinstall |
| 17:20.55 | Nyle | phpsysinfo? |
| 17:20.58 | HyperDevil | valdyn: cannot get past the grub crap error |
| 17:21.11 | znh | Nyle: that doesn't keep track of the network |
| 17:21.34 | Nyle | then I dunno |
| 17:22.50 | tralala | znh, darkstat keeps network stats |
| 17:23.09 | valdyn | HyperDevil: grub cannot use files on a raid 5 |
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| 17:23.21 | valdyn | HyperDevil: you seem to be /boot on a raid5 |
| 17:23.40 | valdyn | s/be/have/ |
| 17:23.40 | HyperDevil | valdyn: what now? |
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| 17:24.00 | valdyn | HyperDevil: dont have /boot on a raid5 |
| 17:24.07 | enouf | HyperDevil: root on raid? or a separate /boot ? |
| 17:24.17 | tralala | HyperDevil, move /boot out of the raid using grml for example |
| 17:24.18 | fabrice | how can i be sure this comes from kdm ? |
| 17:24.29 | enouf | this? |
| 17:24.31 | valdyn | tralala: he's in the installer. |
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| 17:24.45 | tralala | ah, even better |
| 17:24.45 | fabrice | my no gui start pb |
| 17:24.53 | HyperDevil | tralala: that is easier said then done.. that means that /boot will not be redundant |
| 17:25.01 | valdyn | HyperDevil: nonsense |
| 17:25.16 | HyperDevil | valdyn: how then? |
| 17:25.16 | enouf | fabrice: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a start |
| 17:25.18 | tralala | HyperDevil, /boot doesn't need to be redundant |
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| 17:25.26 | valdyn | HyperDevil: grub can boot using files on raid1 just fine |
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| 17:25.51 | HyperDevil | valdyn: how can i make a 1.5 TB array, when i have to make a mirror 2? |
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| 17:26.02 | valdyn | HyperDevil: because it doesnt have to be aware of raid1 to read the data |
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| 17:26.18 | valdyn | HyperDevil: just do it, use partitions as members of raidX |
| 17:27.08 | tralala | or save yourself the whole trouble and don't bother putting /boot on a raid |
| 17:27.09 | HyperDevil | valdyn: my setup right now: 4x 500GB software raid partitions... in the parition part...no MD device created yet |
| 17:27.28 | fabrice | enouf: ok |
| 17:27.35 | valdyn | HyperDevil: so make that 4x499GB |
| 17:27.45 | HyperDevil | and then? |
| 17:27.46 | valdyn | HyperDevil: or if you want 4x499.5GB |
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| 17:27.57 | valdyn | HyperDevil: put /boot into the remaining space |
| 17:28.06 | fabrice | enouf: but then what is expected ther ? |
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| 17:28.25 | enouf | fabrice: maybe some errors relatiing to X |
| 17:28.32 | HyperDevil | valdyn: so i make 4x 499.5 GB, and put that part in RAID 5.... do i need to make raid for /boot? |
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| 17:29.57 | HyperDevil | make "real" partitions 4x /boot? |
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| 17:30.28 | pjz | how do I blacklist sound modules? I've got a server in a machine room somewhere that's wasting mem and cpu loading up all sorts of sound drivers |
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| 17:30.47 | liable | !blacklist |
| 17:30.47 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 17:30.53 | fabrice | enouf: can i come from a massive update /upgrade from stable to a mix between lenny and sid, lol yu might say 'probably' :) |
| 17:31.04 | liable | wasting cpu loading sound drivers? |
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| 17:31.18 | HyperDevil | valdyn: >make "real" partitions 4x /boot? |
| 17:31.28 | cheeseboy | my wireless is always trying to connect to neighbors |
| 17:31.36 | cheeseboy | how do i stop that? |
| 17:31.47 | enouf | fabrice: did you follow the "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" factoid ? |
| 17:32.02 | liable | cheeseboy: how are you configuring wireless? |
| 17:32.02 | enouf | neighbors are good |
| 17:32.07 | pjz | liable: well, there's also the whole exposure-to-more-possible-hacks that comes with loading more modules |
| 17:32.27 | dazjorz | I'd like to put up a gateway in this at this moment isolated LAN |
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| 17:32.34 | fabrice | enouf: no i used a sources list from a guy in the web sphere |
| 17:32.36 | SamuraiDio | help |
| 17:32.43 | HyperDevil | tralala: make "real" partitions 4x /boot? |
| 17:32.45 | liable | pjz: i think you are taking it to the extreme, but oh well. |
| 17:32.51 | enouf | pjz: i usually do as root lsof | egrep 'esd|artsd' and kill then remove offenders |
| 17:32.54 | SamuraiDio | i installed the wengophone package, but i cant find an executable, where is the software? |
| 17:32.55 | dazjorz | so I can get my internal LAN servers to reach update.debian.org and security.debian.org |
| 17:32.59 | cheeseboy | liable, i put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:33.06 | dazjorz | is the best way in your opinion to run an Apache server which reverse proxies? |
| 17:33.08 | enouf | fabrice: good job |
| 17:33.13 | dazjorz | I don't have a lot of space in the gateway, so can't just add a mirror |
| 17:33.17 | dazjorz | (it has 4 GB to /var) |
| 17:33.22 | tralala | HyperDevil, make just one |
| 17:33.36 | liable | cheeseboy: what did you put in there? because if you use wpa_supplicant you can set a preference for certain networks |
| 17:33.39 | HyperDevil | tralala: what if that disk crashed? |
| 17:33.45 | dazjorz | or can I somehow make it NAT connections from internal to update.debian.org? |
| 17:33.51 | fabrice | enouf: i'm unemployed actually ;) if not i might not be messing with such things :) |
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| 17:34.16 | enouf | dazjorz: apt.conf enables/allows for proxy config if that's what you mean |
| 17:34.31 | enouf | fabrice: you're funny |
| 17:34.55 | tralala | HyperDevil, then you would have to recreate /boot |
| 17:35.24 | dazjorz | enouf: what's the best way to set up a proxy with limited disk space? Just a simple Apache proxy or some magic with iptables? |
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| 17:35.38 | dazjorz | since I know nothing of iptables, but the Apache proxy will be easily doable |
| 17:35.39 | fabrice | enouf: as debian is ;) |
| 17:35.43 | enouf | dazjorz: i wouldn't know offhand |
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| 17:35.52 | HyperDevil | tralala: that is exactly something i dont have time for what a disc crashed, i need to hot-swap it as i can now .... 4x 499.5GB and 2x /boot in Raid 1? |
| 17:36.07 | enouf | dazjorz: maybe you want apt-ftparchive ? |
| 17:36.19 | fabrice | enouf: i'm gonna look at the /msg u told me about |
| 17:36.21 | cheeseboy | liable, http://rafb.net/p/Ag83AP38.html |
| 17:36.28 | enouf | fabrice: smart |
| 17:36.30 | tralala | HyperDevil, /boot in raid1 should work - try it |
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| 17:37.20 | dazjorz | enouf: apt-ftparchive just creates an index, right? |
| 17:37.20 | fabrice | enouf: well the souces list i used is an everyday used list and operational, not supposed to bug , even tough if i miss some keys |
| 17:37.24 | liable | cheeseboy: oh, its a totally open ap? |
| 17:37.39 | cheeseboy | ap? |
| 17:37.52 | tralala | access point |
| 17:37.53 | liable | access point |
| 17:37.55 | cheeseboy | yea |
| 17:37.57 | tralala | ha! |
| 17:38.00 | cheeseboy | no wep |
| 17:38.19 | enouf | dazjorz: er, i guess i meant apt-zip and friends .. hrm |
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| 17:38.37 | tclineks | what's the easiest way to force a core dump on a running process? |
| 17:38.44 | cheeseboy | liable, how i tell it not to change essids? |
| 17:38.51 | amphi | tclineks: kill -11 ? |
| 17:38.54 | tclineks | preferrably without ending the process |
| 17:39.00 | tclineks | amphi: doesn't htat stop the process? |
| 17:39.08 | enouf | dazjorz: there's also apt-cdrom - but i'm likely just confusing the matter, sry |
| 17:39.11 | amphi | tclineks: it'll be killed, yes |
| 17:39.13 | SamuraiDio | i installed the wengophone package, but i cant find an executable, where is the software? |
| 17:39.32 | dazjorz | enouf: I'll check apt-*, thanks for the hint ;) |
| 17:39.35 | cheeseboy | liable, ?? |
| 17:39.41 | tralala | tclineks, I'm not sure why you want to core dump a process, but have a look at strace |
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| 17:39.44 | liable | cheeseboy: and with that in your interfaces file, it connects to your neighbours ap? its prolly a function of your driver that if it misses a beacon or two, it will look for the next ap. I am not sure how to make it stick to that one ap, except with maybe wpasupp |
| 17:39.56 | liable | cheeseboy: patience! i was typing an answer.. |
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| 17:40.14 | cheeseboy | im in a rush |
| 17:40.14 | tclineks | tralala: i have some text in a firefox process |
| 17:40.21 | cheeseboy | leaving soon |
| 17:40.29 | liable | cheeseboy: set the mac of your ap with iwconfig |
| 17:40.32 | tralala | cheeseboy, use wpasupplicant |
| 17:40.46 | enouf | dazjorz: also, /msg dpkg mirror (perhaps) |
| 17:40.48 | tclineks | tralala: another instance was when i deleted a vhost but had a running apache process |
| 17:40.52 | liable | cheeseboy: iwconfig wlan0 ap XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:.. |
| 17:41.00 | cheeseboy | wats wpasupplicant? |
| 17:41.05 | enouf | omg |
| 17:41.14 | tclineks | realize now i could have used lsof to retreive it, but a6t the time i attached and forced a core dump and got at it |
| 17:41.25 | dazjorz | enouf: thanks :) |
| 17:41.31 | enouf | np |
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| 17:41.36 | liable | cheeseboy: its a daemon so you can connect to wpa networks. it can also control your card for non encrypted networks |
| 17:42.11 | liable | cheeseboy: in the above iwconfig command XX.. is your ap's mac address |
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| 17:42.18 | liable | that usually makes it stick |
| 17:42.24 | tralala | tclineks, maybe you can attach gdb to a running process |
| 17:42.30 | mateusz | Hi, How to check in debian how much phisical memory in MB I have ? |
| 17:42.34 | tclineks | tralala: that's what i did before i think |
| 17:42.41 | enouf | mateusz: free -m |
| 17:43.02 | muramasa | !synaptics |
| 17:43.02 | dpkg | i guess synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
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| 17:43.52 | muramasa | tralala, it works superb now :-) |
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| 17:44.06 | Miesco | IS there a program to burn DVD's? |
| 17:44.14 | enouf | yep |
| 17:44.32 | tralala | muramasa, good. Now that you're done with the easy part, you've got plenty to learn. |
| 17:44.34 | cheeseboy | there a gui for wpasupplient? |
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| 17:44.53 | enouf | cheeseboy: spelling correctly would help, i would think |
| 17:44.56 | muramasa | tralala, ah that's harsh hehe |
| 17:45.08 | Miesco | What program do I make a DVD with? |
| 17:45.19 | enouf | Miesco: cli or gui? |
| 17:45.27 | Miesco | gui |
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| 17:45.41 | enouf | make a dvd? try k3b, and whatever gnome offers |
| 17:45.55 | Miesco | GnomeBaker only does data dvd |
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| 17:46.04 | tralala | Miesco, lwn has published series of articles about making dvds. Check it out at lwn.net/Archives |
| 17:46.09 | enouf | then specify what you want |
| 17:46.36 | enouf | Miesco: you want something like dvdauthor? k9copy? dvdrip? |
| 17:47.02 | Miesco | I want a program that converts video files to a DVD image |
| 17:47.06 | tombhadAC | hi |
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| 17:47.23 | tralala | muramasa, it's honest |
| 17:47.24 | enouf | Miesco: growisofs does fine for making dvd-rom comaptible dvds |
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| 17:47.32 | tclineks | tralala: gdb program (pid) \ gcore \ detach |
| 17:47.38 | muramasa | tralala, I know :-) looking forward to it nevertheless |
| 17:47.52 | Miesco | enouf: Thats not int he etch repository... |
| 17:47.54 | enouf | what kind of video files? |
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| 17:48.04 | enouf | yes it is, it's in dvd+rw-tools |
| 17:48.12 | liable | cheeseboy: yes, wpa-gui its in the wpasupplicant package, though i dont know if it will do what you can from a config file |
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| 17:49.11 | Miesco | okay |
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| 17:49.17 | enouf | Miesco: also check out videohelp.com search linux apps, along with tralala 's suggestion - read something ffs, do; "/msg dpkg search" in your irc client |
| 17:49.26 | liable | cheeseboy: actually soryy, its a seperate package |
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| 17:49.38 | simoncpu_ | hello |
| 17:49.48 | liable | cheeseboy: you might want to look at network-manager-gnome first |
| 17:49.52 | simoncpu_ | i'm currently running debian linux as a guest OS inside a xen |
| 17:50.03 | simoncpu_ | i've downloaded a pre-built debian image |
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| 17:50.16 | simoncpu_ | my problem is, the images doesn't contain the develoment tools-- gcc, make, etc |
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| 17:50.35 | liable | so install them |
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| 17:51.01 | enouf | Miesco: depending on what files you have, you might need the ffmpeg and/or transcode pkgs, to convert your "video" files (avi, whatever) into an mpeg2 standard prior |
| 17:51.01 | simoncpu_ | is there a collection of dev tools that i can quickly install or something? |
| 17:51.11 | liable | !b-e simoncpu_ |
| 17:51.11 | dpkg | simoncpu_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:51.25 | simoncpu_ | hmmm.. thanks for the tip |
| 17:52.01 | enouf | simoncpu_: you also might want libc6-dev, depending |
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| 17:52.11 | simoncpu_ | yepp yepp :) |
| 17:52.18 | Arelis | Hi all. Is Debian easier than FreeBSD? |
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| 17:52.32 | liable | Arelis: thats subjective |
| 17:52.33 | theLichKing | does debian have support for broadcom 4321 wireless cards? |
| 17:52.43 | Miesco | Okay, well I got like 3 porno's I want to burn onto 1 DVD, is that possible? |
| 17:52.50 | enouf | 43xx, yes? |
| 17:52.59 | enouf | !bcm43xx |
| 17:53.00 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
| 17:53.27 | enouf | Miesco: anything is "possible" ;-) |
| 17:53.31 | theLichKing | nice, thanks enouf |
| 17:53.38 | enouf | np |
| 17:53.38 | tralala | Miesco, getting cheap on porn, eh? |
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| 17:53.48 | SamuraiDio | theLichKing, the windows driver works very well with ndiswrapper also |
| 17:53.59 | simoncpu | !xen |
| 17:53.59 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:54.04 | liable | saves having to get up to change dvd's |
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| 17:54.06 | simoncpu | oh cool, the bot works |
| 17:54.08 | simoncpu | :) |
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| 17:54.33 | theLichKing | SamuraiDio, i am on fedora and i tried installing it with ndiswrapper, but it identified it as 4328 or something instead of 4321.. and i couldn't initialize it |
| 17:54.44 | theLichKing | the same driver |
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| 17:54.58 | crimson | whats the command to copy all folders in a dir? |
| 17:55.00 | simoncpu | uh... is it possible to edit dpkg's definition? |
| 17:55.05 | Miesco | tralala: Yea, I dont buy it, only buy when im at my girl friends, dont want my parents to find it |
| 17:55.12 | enouf | crimson: cp to where? hidden too? |
| 17:55.23 | liable | crimson: man cp. (look for r) |
| 17:55.32 | theLichKing | crimson, cp -R |
| 17:55.37 | crimson | ok |
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| 17:55.59 | enouf | or -a |
| 17:56.10 | karrotx__ | i've got a box with quadcore xeons, do i download amd64 or ia64? |
| 17:56.19 | enouf | karrotx__: not ia64 |
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| 17:56.32 | enouf | karrotx__: /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 17:56.33 | amphi | karrotx__: ia64 is for itanic |
| 17:56.33 | karrotx__ | ia64 is not intel; right? |
| 17:56.41 | enouf | karrotx__: it's for itaniums only |
| 17:56.44 | karrotx__ | ah; ok thanks |
| 17:56.53 | Miesco | I'll try qdvdauthor, I think I need a dvd author |
| 17:57.03 | simoncpu | hello, where does apt-get store it's downloaded files? |
| 17:57.14 | simoncpu | does apt-get clean up the files automatically? |
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| 17:57.21 | enouf | yep |
| 17:57.26 | enouf | autoclean too |
| 17:57.39 | simoncpu | oki |
| 17:57.40 | fxn | could I install some particular version of firefox with a package? |
| 17:57.45 | enouf | simoncpu: in /var/lib/apt/pakages? iirc |
| 17:57.49 | Arelis | I have an ATI Radeon 9600. I want to be able to do everything i could in Ubuntu. Should I install debian? |
| 17:57.53 | simoncpu | enouf: thnx |
| 17:58.02 | enouf | simoncpu: somewhere in there |
| 17:58.05 | theLichKing | fxn, if it's packaged, then yes |
| 17:58.08 | jelly | Arelis: "everything"? |
| 17:58.12 | enouf | maybe /var/lib/dpkg |
| 17:58.14 | theLichKing | fxn, if not, you have to install from the source |
| 17:58.20 | enouf | gah |
| 17:58.32 | fxn | theLichKing: how could I check? packages.debian.org lists generics packages |
| 17:58.39 | enouf | maybe /var/cache/* .. finally goes and looks again |
| 17:58.45 | fxn | I mean, firefox installs the stable |
| 17:58.49 | Arelis | jelly, WINE, Adobe Flash, OpenOffice, watching video's (needs codecs) |
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| 17:59.34 | leonardo | hi, i'm with debian and installed wine from repositories, but the version of wine on repo is older |
| 17:59.35 | enouf | i am burnt - hehe, file:///var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:59.45 | leonardo | how to update to the last wine version |
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| 18:00.15 | theLichKing | fxn, apt-cache search <package name> |
| 18:00.38 | enouf | leonardo: /msg dpkg bcakports (perhaps) |
| 18:00.43 | enouf | leonardo: /msg dpkg backports (perhaps) |
| 18:01.04 | leonardo | enouf: didn't understand |
| 18:01.16 | fxn | theLichKing: ok, it is not there |
| 18:01.30 | leonardo | could you explaing me in an easy way |
| 18:01.53 | Arelis | What release should i get to be as up-to-date as Ubuntu? |
| 18:01.56 | theLichKing | fxn, what is the package name? |
| 18:01.58 | valdyn | leonardo: you are supposed to type "/msg dpkg backports" in your irc client |
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| 18:02.06 | valdyn | Arelis: none |
| 18:02.17 | theLichKing | !ubuntu |
| 18:02.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:02.37 | valdyn | Arelis: debian is not like ubuntu, if you want it to be like ubuntu, use ubuntu |
| 18:02.41 | fxn | theLichKing: my question is how to figure out whether some particular version is packaged |
| 18:02.42 | jelly | Arelis: all of those things would run on Debian, but if you're happy with ubuntu, why change? |
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| 18:02.59 | fxn | theLichKing: I see there are no versions, just "firefox" |
| 18:03.01 | leonardo | typed, so |
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| 18:03.24 | Arelis | jelly, because i need ultimate stableness. But i'll be gone for half an hour, dinner. |
| 18:04.07 | valdyn | Arelis: want to be on the cutting edge with ultimate stableness, that doesnt work |
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| 18:04.15 | jelly | Arelis: you have conflicting issues, "ultimate stability" clashes with "up-to-date" |
| 18:04.36 | theLichKing | fxn, it should say the version number beside it.. i'm on ubuntu, so i'm not sure.. i think debian should be better at keeping track of version numbers |
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| 18:05.13 | jelly | fxn: if you know a package name, apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 18:05.17 | enouf | fxn: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 18:05.29 | Perplexed_Entity | hi |
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| 18:05.47 | enouf | theLichKing: nonsense |
| 18:05.57 | theLichKing | fxn, http://www.debian-administration.org/users/oxtan/weblog/14 |
| 18:05.58 | fxn | enouf: same stuff, no versions but stable |
| 18:06.01 | Perplexed_Entity | yo enouf |
| 18:06.03 | theLichKing | fxn, it says there is no package yet |
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| 18:06.11 | theLichKing | if you're talking about firefox 3 |
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| 18:06.39 | fxn | nope, in fact I want 2.0.0.11 |
| 18:06.55 | valdyn | fxn: why not .12 ? |
| 18:07.17 | enouf | Perplexed_Entity: and? |
| 18:07.20 | fxn | because we have an issue with an extension (jssh) that we think can be due to this recent update |
| 18:07.54 | Perplexed_Entity | just saying hello :) we spoke a few days back about that grub incident. |
| 18:08.06 | enouf | ok ;-) |
| 18:08.28 | Perplexed_Entity | and, know the fun thing? turns out it wasn't grub at all. |
| 18:08.43 | Perplexed_Entity | it was the kernel, of all things |
| 18:08.51 | jelly | !info iceweasel etch |
| 18:08.58 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.10-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 8878 kB, Installed size: 26284 kB |
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| 18:09.13 | valdyn | is that .12? |
| 18:09.21 | valdyn | i think it might be, at least its .11 |
| 18:09.22 | Perplexed_Entity | apparently some settings are frowned upon by the new drive |
| 18:09.22 | jelly | dpkg: my mirror says 2.0.0.12-0etch1, you skunk! |
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| 18:09.30 | valdyn | hmm |
| 18:09.46 | jelly | I wonder whether dpkg knows about sdo |
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| 18:10.29 | valdyn | i missed that they changed policy about stable versioning |
| 18:10.49 | valdyn | they = debian |
| 18:10.52 | jelly | 2.0.0.12-0etch1 in etch/updates, and 2.0.0.10-0etch1 on the mirror |
| 18:11.00 | valdyn | ah, i see |
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| 18:11.40 | valdyn | so .10-0etch1 could still be .11, gotta read the changelog |
| 18:11.44 | jelly | valdyn: this is more polite than packaging 1.0.6 and calling it 1.0.4sarge1 |
| 18:11.49 | valdyn | fxn: ^ ^ ^ |
| 18:11.49 | revil | hi there!! how can I ask apt or dpkg to reinstall an already installed package? |
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| 18:12.06 | valdyn | jelly: true, but it at least was against policy |
| 18:12.20 | fxn | valdyn: .10 could be helpful as well |
| 18:12.24 | jelly | valdyn: if lenny is going to have 2.0.0.12-1 soon, it doesn't matter |
| 18:12.51 | valdyn | fxn: you need to read the changelog, the version 2.0.0.10-0etch1 doesnt mean that its not really .11, it could be |
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| 18:13.13 | fxn | valdyn: which command should I execute? |
| 18:13.16 | jelly | AFAIUI the policy was never 100% strict MUST NOT wrt newer version |
| 18:13.37 | revil | Can I rerun debootstrap to fix a problematis system? Does it erase all previous packages? |
| 18:13.50 | revil | problematic* |
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| 18:14.00 | valdyn | jelly: i didnt read it, but the firefox maintainers kept versions strictly |
| 18:14.06 | maddash | revil: re the 1st: aptitude reinstall [blob] |
| 18:14.20 | valdyn | fxn: you should read the changelog |
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| 18:14.40 | valdyn | fxn: its on pdo if you dont want to install the package to read |
| 18:15.10 | fxn | valdyn: I am not fluent using debian, anything else than basic aptitude commands |
| 18:15.12 | revil | thx maddash !! I couldn't find it anywhere in dpkg or apt-get.. |
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| 18:15.37 | Justin | revil: did you read the apt-get man page? |
| 18:15.39 | Nyle | YES! |
| 18:15.54 | valdyn | fxn: do you have that package installed currently? |
| 18:16.13 | Nyle | I am now the proud head IT engineer at this place, they have RHEL! :/ |
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| 18:16.22 | Nyle | yeh, I got the job |
| 18:16.25 | fxn | nope, this is a fresh install, in fact is a slice in slicehost, I can rebuild no problem |
| 18:16.43 | Nyle | rhel.. eh |
| 18:16.51 | valdyn | fxn: install iceweasel, read /usr/share/doc/iceweasel/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 18:17.48 | Nyle | I guess I should obtain a copy so I can mess around with it |
| 18:17.56 | valdyn | fxn: mind a changelog entry like this: iceweasel (2.0.0.11-1) unstable; urgency=low: * New upstream release, not actually different from 2.0.0.10-2. |
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| 18:18.13 | valdyn | fxn: where obviously .11 is the SAME as debians .10-2 incidentally |
| 18:18.18 | revil | ach, it didn't help.. I have a problem with pam and I can't figure out which packages should I reinstall. Is it a ogood idea to reinstall them all? |
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| 18:18.30 | fxn | valdyn: Mozilla Iceweasel 2.0.0.12, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org |
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| 18:19.03 | fxn | valdyn: problem is, install iceweasel install the stable |
| 18:19.26 | valdyn | fxn: which is what for you? |
| 18:19.33 | helo | does does <aptitude clone> only work if all packages have been installed using aptitude? |
| 18:19.49 | fxn | valdyn: I would like to install iceweasel (2.0.0.10-0etch1) stable-security; urgency=critical |
| 18:19.58 | helo | and what of packages i complied from deb-src? |
| 18:20.00 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 18:20.00 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:20.12 | jelly | Nyle: Centos 5 and RHEL5 are very alike, the former just fetches from their own yum repositories |
| 18:20.15 | fxn | valdyn: ho good! |
| 18:20.44 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:21.08 | Nyle | jelly: yeh I actually do need to get upto date with redhat etc. |
| 18:21.49 | Nyle | though I was honest at the interview, I told the owner of the company that I don't know rhel, only redhat and fedora, and I'm very good with debian and linux in general |
| 18:22.04 | Nyle | so he knows and he still called me so I guess he thinks I can handle it |
| 18:22.26 | Nyle | w/e |
| 18:22.33 | Nyle | but centos you say |
| 18:22.40 | Nyle | I will check it out, thanks |
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| 18:23.54 | aunes | any thoughts on how I can talk etch into installing python modules to python2.5 instead of python2.5? |
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| 18:23.57 | jelly | Nyle: there are some other distros that do rebuilds from RHEL sources, Centos is probably the best known |
| 18:24.02 | fxn | valdyn: I see there triples .dsc/.tar.gz/.diff.gz can I download something to try to avoid touching sources? |
| 18:24.18 | Nyle | jelly: really? gentoo? hmm.. I never woulda guessed |
| 18:24.33 | jelly | Nyle: no |
| 18:24.45 | Nyle | oh |
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| 18:24.59 | Nyle | fuck I'm coming down with dyslexia |
| 18:25.08 | abrotman | aunes: you likely don't want to |
| 18:25.09 | Nyle | s/gentoo/Centos |
| 18:25.13 | lantius | Hello, I would like to change the language of my whole system. I have seen some information in google about changing language in keyboard, gnome , but in I haven't find anything about the whole system |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | lantius: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:25.30 | fxn | valdyn: ah, there are debs here http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/12/02/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/ |
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| 18:25.48 | MauS | Hi |
| 18:25.49 | aunes | abrotman: oh? I wanted debian b/c of easy package management via apt-get... installing everything from an egg is sorta defeating the purpose for me. |
| 18:26.25 | Nyle | aunes: but you said python2.5 twice |
| 18:26.44 | MauS | I've downloaded and burnt debian-40r2-amd64-netinst.iso but my pc won't start from it. It bzzzs for a while and then boots from the hdd. How do i fix the problem? |
| 18:26.47 | aunes | any thoughts on how I can talk etch into installing python modules to python2.4 instead of python2.5? *** (sorry) |
| 18:26.53 | lantius | abrotman I've tried that. I have to answer with Y and N , (i want my system in english) but messages of the system are showed in spanish |
| 18:26.56 | aunes | gack! |
| 18:26.59 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:27.01 | aunes | and of course I did it backwards. |
| 18:27.02 | Nyle | it happens :) |
| 18:27.05 | abrotman | aunes: it's not that .. the python packages are made to work with 2.4 .. you can manually alter them to point at python2.5 .. but you may get unexpected results |
| 18:27.17 | aunes | abrotman: what do I have to do to get 2.5 packages? |
| 18:27.23 | abrotman | lantius: LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:27.24 | aunes | point sources.list somewhere else, perhaps? |
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| 18:27.30 | jelly | aunes: 2.4 is default in etch. you'll only get 2.5 packages if they're explicitely made for 2.5 |
| 18:27.32 | abrotman | aunes: 2.5 is in etch already |
| 18:27.38 | abrotman | !info python2.5 etch |
| 18:27.42 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-5 (etch), Packaged size: 3364 kB, Installed size: 12196 kB |
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| 18:28.05 | aunes | yes. I've downloaded 2.5 via etch's repositories |
| 18:28.08 | aunes | the issue I'm having is all python modules are 2.4 modules. |
| 18:28.21 | aunes | I want 2.5 modules without having to compile things. |
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| 18:28.34 | helo | MauS: i just used that yesterday... will that machine boot other cds? |
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| 18:29.23 | enouf | helo: here's a nice little script a buddy of mine wrote; http://pastebin.ca/raw/905362 |
| 18:29.25 | Nyle | man I still like to deliver pizza though |
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| 18:29.44 | jelly | aunes: you're going to have to rebuild, I'm afraid |
| 18:29.54 | matteo_ | I need help could someone elo me? |
| 18:30.03 | abrotman | !ask |
| 18:30.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:30.06 | Nyle | im gonna get this thing built its been sittin in my /tmp for ages |
| 18:30.08 | matteo_ | help |
| 18:30.25 | matteo_ | Mountin audio cd problem |
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| 18:30.31 | Nyle | you don't mount audio cds |
| 18:30.42 | Nyle | use just a simple command line cd player |
| 18:30.44 | jelly | aunes: for example, version of python-lasso in stable Provides: liblasso0-python2.3, python2.4-lasso. Version in unstable Provides: liblasso0-python2.3, python2.5-lasso, python2.4-lasso. |
| 18:30.46 | Nyle | or a gui one in X |
| 18:30.55 | Nyle | matteo_: apt-cache search cd player |
| 18:31.00 | matteo_ | if I use xmms I have to go in dev hdc to mount cdrom |
| 18:31.10 | Nyle | there is a walkman i think cli cd player |
| 18:31.22 | matteo_ | I would like have the icon like when I use data cdrom |
| 18:31.31 | Nyle | matteo_: you don't mount it, you just tell xmms that /dev/hdc is your cd drive |
| 18:31.37 | Decepticon | what is a debian friendly UPS ? |
| 18:31.42 | aunes | jelly: fantastic. so I can switch to unstable and likely get the 2.5 modules? |
| 18:32.01 | jelly | aunes: you can switch to unstable and likely get a broken system! |
| 18:32.05 | aunes | ... |
| 18:32.06 | aunes | :( |
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| 18:32.27 | matteo_ | nyle ok when I mount data cd it appears a icon and than I could mount without problem |
| 18:32.41 | aunes | jelly: what's the best way to go about it then? |
| 18:32.44 | Nyle | matteo_: look. You don't mount 'audio' cds. |
| 18:33.13 | matteo_ | ok |
| 18:33.15 | Nyle | matteo_: what do you want exactly? an icon on your desktop that you can click to start your cd player to play the cd currently in the drive? |
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| 18:33.30 | Nyle | (my grammar is horrible) |
| 18:33.39 | matteo_ | I want an icon that appears when I insert audioo cd |
| 18:33.47 | jelly | aunes: if I had to do it, I'd likely upgrade to testing and cherry-pick missing modules from unstable using pinning. |
| 18:33.47 | matteo_ | same for me |
| 18:33.48 | Nyle | matteo_: which desktop env. do you use? |
| 18:34.01 | matteo_ | xfce |
| 18:34.07 | Nyle | I can help you with KDE only |
| 18:34.10 | matteo_ | with dreamlinux debian based |
| 18:34.11 | lantius | abrotman I type LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales and I configured it to have only en_US.UTF-8 nevertheless when... http://pastebin.com/d6798c8ce |
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| 18:34.19 | Nyle | matteo_: #dreamlinux |
| 18:34.25 | jelly | aunes: another possibility would be to do backports of all the missing components, from unstable sources |
| 18:34.27 | Nyle | !tell matteo_ -about based on debian |
| 18:34.51 | jelly | aunes: using a procedure like /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:34.59 | aunes | jelly: what exactly do I need to do to sources.list to point it at testing? |
| 18:35.04 | Nyle | (like when they card us at bars, I should start by asking as a first question (which debian release)) |
| 18:35.05 | enouf | matteo_: mounting cds (the behaviour) other than AudioCDs is usually controlled through your DE, like Gnome or KDE - if you have no DE, then you do it manually through udev rules and /etc/fstab perhaps, or use autofs and pmount |
| 18:35.07 | wald0 | when i run wine for example, sometimes i have my resolution that changes, is there any command that i can run to set my graphical system to a specific (my previous one) resolution ? |
| 18:35.07 | Nyle | gah |
| 18:35.09 | Arelis | Hi all. I'm considering switching over to Debian for Ubuntu for a number of reasons: EXTREME stability, many packages, and i hope good drivers.. Now here are my hardwares: AMD Sempron 2800+ Processor, and an ATI Radeon 9600 videocard. Can Debian handle this? I tried Debian before, and i tried installing the propietary ATI drivers, but i got issues with my widescreen 1440x900 display. It just wouldn't display correctly. Now somebody in #ubunt |
| 18:35.09 | Arelis | u-offtopic pointed me to the fact that this has been solved. Has it? |
| 18:35.12 | jelly | !tell aunes about etch->lenny |
| 18:35.17 | Nyle | enouf: he is using Dreamlinux debian based |
| 18:35.27 | enouf | nice |
| 18:35.34 | enouf | oh happy day |
| 18:35.40 | Nyle | when jesus something |
| 18:35.47 | Nyle | i can't remember |
| 18:35.52 | Nyle | was/walked? |
| 18:35.52 | enouf | oh dear lord, three things i pray |
| 18:35.54 | Nyle | what? |
| 18:35.58 | abrotman | lantius: logout,login |
| 18:36.15 | enouf | :-p |
| 18:36.17 | Nyle | asshole |
| 18:36.18 | jelly | aunes: note that you won't get much help here if using testing, as you'll be expected to handle common types of packaging system breakage by yourself :-) |
| 18:36.18 | abrotman | Arelis: i think you can just radeon instead of fglrx |
| 18:36.19 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:36.23 | enouf | Nyle: dumbass |
| 18:36.25 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:36.35 | enouf | btw , Congrats! on the job |
| 18:36.35 | aunes | jelly: thanks. I'll burn that bridge when I get there ;) |
| 18:36.44 | Nyle | enouf: your ass just hung a vacancy sign, and my foot is looking for a room! |
| 18:36.46 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 18:36.47 | wald0 | how i can set a resolution via CLI ? |
| 18:36.50 | Arelis | abrotman, on Ubuntu that produced random crashes (but only when the screensavers were on.. and i solved it! by putting GARTSIZE "64" in the xorg.conf.), and it doesn't fully support gaming. |
| 18:36.53 | enouf | !pony Nyle |
| 18:36.57 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:37.00 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 18:37.02 | jelly | !nopony enouf |
| 18:37.02 | dpkg | enouf: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 18:37.08 | Nyle | ahh shit |
| 18:37.09 | enouf | awww |
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| 18:37.48 | abrotman | lantius: also .. you're using apt-get incorrectly |
| 18:37.55 | enouf | Arelis: try your BIOS settings next time too |
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| 18:38.17 | Arelis | enouf, haven't tried those yet, thanks for the tip. |
| 18:38.22 | leonardo | is there any chance to a HP printer work with debian |
| 18:38.33 | leonardo | if yes what i should do |
| 18:38.46 | enouf | sure, np, my BIOS has AGP Aperture settings (GART) |
| 18:38.49 | jelly | Arelis: if you want an emphasis on stability, use the free driver and forget about 3D |
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| 18:39.37 | Arelis | enouf, anyways.. I have some files on my PC, which i can restore using my dad's external HD, so that shouldn't be a problem.. what IS a problem, is that there are 2 drives: One has Windows on it, one has Windows and linux on it. But i only want to overwrite the linux part, not the two windozes, and certainly not the first harddisk. And i don't want to hurt windows's boot program, because i wouldn't be able to get in if i did. |
| 18:39.51 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:40.02 | abrotman | grub can boot windows |
| 18:40.05 | Nyle | last time I used a HP printer, it was on sarge testing using hpoj |
| 18:40.06 | abrotman | so can lilo |
| 18:40.17 | Nyle | I wonder |
| 18:40.17 | enouf | Arelis: grub has a map option if that's an issue - sry, haven't been following your whole story though |
| 18:40.20 | jelly | abrotman: ntldr can boot grub! |
| 18:40.25 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 18:40.28 | Nyle | jelly: yo |
| 18:40.33 | Nyle | thats right |
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| 18:40.37 | enouf | Arelis: oh right, BIOS settings would also apply to other OSes |
| 18:40.48 | maligor | didn't some versions of grub have issues with vista |
| 18:40.51 | jelly | Nyle: I chainload grub from ntldr :-| |
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| 18:41.00 | enouf | you wouldn't "harm" it , but whatever |
| 18:41.03 | leonardo | what is hpoj |
| 18:41.05 | helo | i use svn to keep track of what changes i make to configuration files on various machines... most files i can just upload to the host and be done with it... how should i store files like user crontabs, etc? |
| 18:41.14 | Nyle | 'grldr' + c:\menu.lst <-- put an entry for grldr in c:\boot.ini (like the legacy win 98 bootsect entry) |
| 18:41.19 | Nyle | !info hpoj |
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| 18:41.21 | enouf | then again, pebkac can certainly abound ;-) |
| 18:41.21 | dpkg | hpoj: (HP OfficeJet Linux driver (hpoj)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.91-13 (sid), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1348 kB |
| 18:41.35 | enouf | jelly: eww |
| 18:41.48 | maligor | Arelis, you can fix window's boot system with installation cd's btw |
| 18:42.03 | enouf | !spank jelly |
| 18:42.05 | Arelis | maligor, i know, and i did it, and it worked :) |
| 18:42.14 | jelly | enouf: courtest of fine folks at Lenovo, whose boot features only work with the original MBR code |
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| 18:42.16 | Arelis | maligor, but that was with ubntu. |
| 18:42.20 | Nyle | !exp4bugs |
| 18:42.20 | dpkg | it has been said that exp4bugs is "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 18:42.31 | enouf | jelly: yikes! |
| 18:42.44 | Nyle | this one squashed, patch ready, still incompletely translated |
| 18:43.10 | enouf | jelly: i take it's not an older model? since you said lenovo and not ibm |
| 18:43.29 | jelly | enouf: a 2005 Thinkpad Z60m |
| 18:43.46 | enouf | jelly: ahh .. are they still doing that crap? |
| 18:44.04 | jelly | enouf: I have no idea about how newer model BIOS do their thing |
| 18:44.11 | enouf | i wonder - i know they have issues with certain models and not swapping wifi cards and things |
| 18:44.15 | jelly | enouf: buy me a Z61m and I'll tell you |
| 18:44.20 | enouf | heh |
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| 18:44.26 | enouf | that's Nyle 's job now |
| 18:44.31 | jelly | or even a R61 |
| 18:44.31 | Arelis | so.. jelly, will my PC be able to run Debian? maybe even better than it can run Ubuntu? |
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| 18:45.40 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:45.41 | jelly | Arelis: general rules of thumb, if it can run one Linux distro, it can run any. The amount of time you're going to have to spend to make it work just the way you like it is another thing. |
| 18:46.02 | Arelis | jelly, compared to Ubuntu, how much time would it take? |
| 18:46.20 | jelly | Arelis: no idea, I have very little experience with ubuntu. |
| 18:46.31 | dkr | likely the same though |
| 18:46.43 | Arelis | so, not as much time as FreeBSD and Gentoo? |
| 18:46.45 | maligor | 'better' is somewhat tricky |
| 18:47.12 | jelly | dkr: doubtful, if I have to guess. One of ubuntu's goals is to make things easy and work ootb. |
| 18:47.20 | maligor | debian won't install things automagically for you |
| 18:47.29 | dkr | the software running on linux distros is mostly the same software, e.g. thelinux kernel. just configured differently and with some different software choices |
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| 18:47.53 | jelly | dkr: and it's exactly the configuration bits that you have to spend time on, on debian. |
| 18:48.34 | dkr | oh, I conflated the question about running software "better" and configuration time |
| 18:48.47 | jelly | "oh look, I want my wifi to work with my WPA configured AP. [... 4 hours later...] phew" |
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| 18:49.29 | maligor | jelly, heh, with network manager it's not that hard |
| 18:49.41 | jelly | maligor: does it support WPA? |
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| 18:49.45 | maligor | yes |
| 18:49.56 | simonrvn | "i wanna do this..." *research* *tweak* "all done! :)" |
| 18:50.09 | Nyle | heh |
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| 18:50.16 | maligor | network manager has it's annoyances too tho |
| 18:50.35 | maligor | it wants to keep on autoconfiguring devices constantly, and when you specifically don't want it to do that, it starts to bug you |
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| 18:50.52 | JarekMk | Hi |
| 18:50.55 | simonrvn | yeh, like ubuntu |
| 18:51.15 | jelly | simonrvn: plz tweak me a syncing of a windows mobile device with xfce calendar. |
| 18:51.16 | Arelis | Well, for example, can i install codecs on debian? |
| 18:51.22 | simonrvn | it's nice, but only if you don't mind the os getting in your way |
| 18:51.23 | Arelis | codecs to view DivX movies and the like? |
| 18:51.26 | maligor | what codecs? |
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| 18:51.31 | jelly | Arelis: they're already there. |
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| 18:51.36 | maligor | err.. those should be out of the box :P |
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| 18:51.41 | dkr | !debian-multimedia |
| 18:51.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 18:51.43 | JarekMk | I want install Compiz Fusion on my Debian Sid, can I just promp apt-get insatll compiz-fusion? |
| 18:51.47 | simonrvn | jelly: NBL to happen |
| 18:51.51 | jelly | maligor: ffmpeg plays divx. |
| 18:52.04 | maligor | jelly, yes, and it's in ... err... the .. box |
| 18:52.05 | jelly | oh, that's what you said, sorry |
| 18:52.06 | Arelis | jelly, out of the box? why on Ubuntu not, then? I thought Debian was purely open-source? |
| 18:52.17 | jelly | Arelis: ask ubuntu. |
| 18:52.24 | maligor | Arelis, ffmpeg does mysterious things |
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| 18:52.30 | simonrvn | (not bloody likely) |
| 18:52.30 | Eulex | ffmpeg is open source |
| 18:52.39 | Arelis | ah, and ffmpeg can handle all the video? |
| 18:52.44 | maligor | more or less |
| 18:52.46 | Arelis | what about the Flash plugin? |
| 18:52.51 | Arelis | Adobe Flash? |
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| 18:53.06 | Nyle | eh.. |
| 18:53.07 | maligor | I think there's a installer package for that on x86 |
| 18:53.09 | Eulex | there's a package in non-free that fetches it and installs it for you |
| 18:53.19 | jelly | Eulex: too bad open-source != DFSG compliant :-) |
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| 18:53.31 | maligor | for amd64 you have to install it yourself with nspluginwrapper |
| 18:53.35 | Eulex | jelly, yeah |
| 18:53.35 | Supaplex | !wtf sias |
| 18:53.36 | Arelis | !tell Arelis about non-free |
| 18:53.37 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what sias means... |
| 18:53.50 | Eulex | !tell Arelis about selftell |
| 18:54.22 | Arelis | Eulex, thank you :) |
| 18:54.32 | simonrvn | Arelis: debian has a stricter definition of free software |
| 18:55.05 | Arelis | simoncpu_, When i first installed Debian i liked the fact that Firefox was replaced by iceweasel... because i thought maybe it didn't have all the memory leaks. |
| 18:55.29 | simonrvn | no, firefox 3 is that way |
| 18:55.35 | dondelelcaro | at least, we hope it is |
| 18:55.51 | simonrvn | IW still leaks like a sieve |
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| 18:56.00 | jelly | Arelis: in any case debian-multimedia contains even more obscure codecs, and packages built with more options (that are otherwise disabled in Debian because of patents) |
| 18:56.18 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i've noted both performance and memory improvements |
| 18:56.24 | Arelis | so Debian can do all the multimedia stuff i want it to? |
| 18:56.28 | simoncpu | hi simonrvn |
| 18:56.39 | simonrvn | simoncpu: hi =) |
| 18:56.44 | Nyle | I won't have any 32codecs or 64codec packages, yet mplayer can still play every kind of video almost on amd64 |
| 18:56.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:56.53 | Nyle | simoncpu: you suck |
| 18:57.01 | jelly | Arelis: debian + that _outside-of-debian_ repository mentioned above, should do the trick |
| 18:57.10 | simoncpu | simonrvn: i am from the dcma |
| 18:57.18 | simonrvn | wtf, why are you saying that ti him/her? |
| 18:57.22 | Eulex | Arelis, most; for those that it can't, get w32codecs from debian-multimedia |
| 18:57.23 | simoncpu | i would like to tell you that i would have to sue you for infringing my name |
| 18:57.27 | simoncpu | hehehehehe |
| 18:57.32 | simonrvn | simoncpu: yeh, and i'm the pope |
| 18:57.46 | jelly | !confuse simoncpu |
| 18:57.46 | dpkg | Yes, those are my snake today, simoncpu? breeches of the people's republic of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 18:58.04 | simoncpu | lol |
| 18:58.05 | Arelis | !confuse jelly |
| 18:58.05 | dpkg | No, where is your gerbil tomorrow, jelly? lederhosen of the republic of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 18:58.17 | Arelis | funny :) |
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| 18:58.23 | Eulex | Arelis, there are no differences between firefox and iceweasel, except for the name, the artwork, and some minor patches |
| 18:58.31 | Arelis | Eulex, alright. |
| 18:58.34 | simonrvn | simoncpu: i've been here longer than you've been alive ;P |
| 18:58.34 | simoncpu | !clarity Arelis |
| 18:58.40 | Arelis | Eulex, does iceweasel support all the extensions? |
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| 18:58.51 | Eulex | Arelis, yes |
| 18:58.53 | simoncpu | simonrvn: so you claim you have prior art, eh? |
| 18:58.54 | simoncpu | :) |
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| 18:58.59 | enouf | simonrvn: dcma? try dmca/drm/mpaa/riaa/sony/etc you b0z0 :-p |
| 18:59.16 | simonrvn | of course i do, besides, the dmca has no jurisdiction here |
| 18:59.18 | amphi | er... |
| 18:59.22 | simoncpu | wekwekwek |
| 18:59.33 | maligor | Simon(r) product line |
| 18:59.36 | enouf | wrong simon :-( |
| 18:59.37 | simoncpu | dyxlexic of the world untie! |
| 18:59.37 | Nyle | qijiquejew |
| 18:59.38 | Nyle | something |
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| 18:59.43 | enouf | !spank simoncpu |
| 18:59.44 | Nyle | simoncpu: whats that nickname |
| 18:59.49 | Nyle | er.. simonrvn |
| 19:00.02 | simonrvn | Nyle: eh? |
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| 19:00.08 | Nyle | hi |
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| 19:00.11 | leonardo | i have a problem with sound, when i add phone to my laptop the sound continue in the laptop pc |
| 19:00.18 | Nyle | kequejew something |
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| 19:00.20 | leonardo | didn't stay on in phone |
| 19:00.20 | Nyle | what was that name? |
| 19:00.34 | Nyle | simonrvn: your native nickname I think |
| 19:00.40 | enouf | my toaster burns my toast on occassion :-/ .. what can i do? |
| 19:00.50 | Nyle | my toast burns dvds |
| 19:00.51 | Nyle | :/ |
| 19:00.54 | simonrvn | oh |
| 19:01.01 | Kjikaqawej | ;) |
| 19:01.05 | enouf | my dvds are toasty ;-) |
| 19:01.22 | maligor | my burner toasts toasts |
| 19:01.32 | Nyle | !toast |
| 19:01.32 | dpkg | [toast] a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering....... |
| 19:01.39 | jelly | simonrvn: pronounced? |
| 19:01.42 | simonrvn | my burner collects dust |
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| 19:01.49 | Nyle | i think |
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| 19:01.57 | Nyle | kjika kavej |
| 19:02.01 | Nyle | I'm probably wrong |
| 19:02.07 | Nyle | kaka is pronouced fast |
| 19:02.12 | simonrvn | ook'-chee-ga"-ha-wetch |
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| 19:02.22 | Nyle | i was way off |
| 19:02.23 | Nyle | wow |
| 19:02.24 | Nyle | :D |
| 19:02.32 | amphi | Nyle: does that mean paternal uncle in urdu? |
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| 19:02.41 | Nyle | no |
| 19:02.56 | jelly | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 19:03.01 | Nyle | that would be for your dad's younger brother (Chacha) and dad's older brother (Taya) |
| 19:03.01 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:03.09 | Nyle | two diff words for uncle based on who it is |
| 19:03.11 | amphi | Nyle: just wondered - it does in nepali, and nepali has quite a few urdu words in it |
| 19:03.16 | simonrvn | dude's having issues... "Excess Flood" |
| 19:03.30 | amphi | Nyle: right, older paternal uncle |
| 19:03.38 | Nyle | like japanese |
| 19:03.40 | Bushmills | australian despise marmite. they're into vegimite. |
| 19:03.43 | Bushmills | australians |
| 19:03.53 | Nyle | and t hen there are the diff words of respect used |
| 19:03.56 | Nyle | so its even more comlex |
| 19:03.58 | Nyle | plex |
| 19:04.01 | amphi | Nyle: I expect nepali has a similar number of precise terms for relatives |
| 19:04.11 | Nyle | amphi: I have no idea |
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| 19:04.31 | Nyle | amphi: but you know.. I do need a moron, like soon |
| 19:04.33 | amphi | Nyle: nouns don't change in .np; only pronouns and verb forms express the honorifics |
| 19:04.43 | amphi | Nyle: don't we all ;) |
| 19:05.00 | Arelis | Is it safe to use Debian Testing? |
| 19:05.00 | simonrvn | Nyle: my language doesn't even have representation in unicode |
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| 19:05.21 | Nyle | simonrvn: dude.. but you don't have representation of anything, anywhere |
| 19:05.23 | simonrvn | define safe |
| 19:05.24 | Nyle | sadly |
| 19:05.32 | Nyle | America ever apologized officially to the natives? |
| 19:05.43 | Nyle | I know australia recently did to the aborig.. |
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| 19:06.01 | simonrvn | .ca sort of did, but backhandedly, and not real |
| 19:06.12 | Nyle | yeh you are in canada thats right |
| 19:06.18 | simonrvn | "we're sorry you feel that way" |
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| 19:06.22 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:06.25 | Nyle | assholes |
| 19:06.27 | dkr | Arelis: better for a beginner(or to run on a server) to start with stable |
| 19:06.30 | simonrvn | kinda like the vatican does |
| 19:06.38 | Nyle | eh |
| 19:06.41 | amphi | simonrvn: that's worse than nothing IMHO |
| 19:06.49 | simonrvn | amphi: yes |
| 19:06.50 | Nyle | yes, yes itis |
| 19:06.52 | Arelis | dkr, I won't run a server on it, although a simple FTP server won't hurt |
| 19:07.00 | Nyle | vsftpd. |
| 19:07.23 | Nyle | Arelis: but why run testing when you can use backports |
| 19:07.28 | simonrvn | (won't hurt until he gets r00ted :P j/k) |
| 19:07.34 | Nyle | Arelis: and you can even backport software youself!! |
| 19:07.35 | Nyle | wow |
| 19:07.51 | dkr | Arelis: it could though. safer to use encryption. :) e.g. scp |
| 19:08.02 | simonrvn | seconded |
| 19:08.15 | Nyle | simonrvn: I gotta learn RHEL now |
| 19:08.17 | Nyle | yay |
| 19:08.19 | Nyle | :( |
| 19:08.25 | simonrvn | Nyle: my condolences |
| 19:08.33 | Nyle | yeh, w/e |
| 19:08.36 | Nyle | it pays |
| 19:08.41 | Arelis | dkr, i want to pump files over to a Windows Vista machine. |
| 19:08.53 | Nyle | simonrvn: at least I don't have to work on vista machines |
| 19:08.55 | dkr | Arelis: my condolences |
| 19:09.10 | simonrvn | Nyle: yeh, there *is* that |
| 19:09.45 | Nyle | simonrvn: no no.. Question the is that... be to not or be to |
| 19:10.05 | lantius | abrotman I know it but the message is in spanish |
| 19:10.10 | Nyle | (heh, saved by the bell) |
| 19:10.13 | simonrvn | Nyle: eh? |
| 19:10.20 | Nyle | simonrvn: read it backwards |
| 19:10.29 | lantius | abrotman It should be... invalid operation I think |
| 19:10.33 | simonrvn | got it |
| 19:10.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:11.07 | Nyle | you said there is that, I said no, QUESTION the is that |
| 19:11.07 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:11.10 | Nyle | nm im high |
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| 19:12.08 | simonrvn | Nyle: i'm currently working on a pic that used to be a png, and imported it to inkscape. -- hehe -- here's what i got so far |
| 19:12.21 | Nyle | simonrvn: you've heard snoop dogg's new song, sensual seduction? dude its badass |
| 19:12.38 | cloakable | :( |
| 19:12.40 | Nyle | simonrvn: i don't get it.. got nothing |
| 19:12.41 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:12.48 | traza | Hi, i can't find libapache2-mod-jk on testing (ftp.us) any special reason? |
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| 19:13.00 | Nyle | !why is libapache2-mod-jk not in testing |
| 19:13.00 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-jk is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-jk |
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| 19:14.04 | Nyle | as someone whose been studying and playing music for 22, years, I consider rap to be very good music. |
| 19:14.30 | simonrvn | Nyle: sec |
| 19:14.44 | lantius | abrotman I have to leave ... I will ask in another moment Thank for your time |
| 19:14.47 | jome | perhaps you should start listening and not just playing, Nyle ;) |
| 19:14.53 | Nyle | you can banish all that you want.. but they shall possess again! the demons of the blunts and 40's |
| 19:14.59 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:15.13 | Nyle | its all good man, I don't down on any kind of music, all music is good music. |
| 19:15.15 | simonrvn | Nyle: http://simonraven.kisikew.org/tmp/screenshot--turtle_4_dir_full.svg_-_Inkscape.png |
| 19:15.33 | Nyle | thats nice |
| 19:15.47 | Nyle | however may I suggest something to you? |
| 19:16.04 | Nyle | while not knowing the significance of this symbol, I would suggest using gold instead of yello |
| 19:16.10 | Nyle | and a maroonish darker red |
| 19:16.13 | simonrvn | started playing with svg... i like the fact it scales very well, and can use it for various things |
| 19:16.18 | Nyle | black, maroon, and gold are a very very good mix |
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| 19:16.50 | simonrvn | i'm going to have a have a fake gradient for those colours, like the white and black |
| 19:16.55 | Nyle | dude if you put a little debian smoke ring in side! badass wallpaper |
| 19:17.14 | Nyle | inside* |
| 19:17.25 | simonrvn | that's a thought |
| 19:17.31 | traza | If I need to install a package from sid (I'm on testing) is enough if I include the mirror and install? |
| 19:17.50 | Nyle | if you decide to make one, do one with my pref. of colors, :D please |
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| 19:18.17 | Nyle | traza: sometimes its ok |
| 19:18.31 | traza | cool Nyle... reading |
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| 19:18.32 | Nyle | traza: shouldn't cause problems usually |
| 19:18.42 | traza | tnx |
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| 19:19.04 | Nyle | if you want to thank me, you could take the time out to say 'thank you' |
| 19:19.04 | abrotman | traza: or you could wait 2-10 days (hopefully) |
| 19:19.05 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:19.28 | Nyle | tnx... grr with the acronyms |
| 19:19.36 | Nyle | or shorthand w/e |
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| 19:19.59 | traza | Nyle thank you so much, you are a nice person. |
| 19:20.05 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:20.09 | helo | your mom is a nice person |
| 19:20.17 | Nyle | yes, yes she is. |
| 19:20.23 | traza | well actually she is ;) |
| 19:20.25 | Nyle | and she is highly offtopic. |
| 19:20.43 | traza | Have u been with her? |
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| 19:21.36 | ozzilee | Hey all, quick question. I want to (for example) have both emacs 22 and emacs 23 available on my system. They use different versions of the GTK libraries. Is there any way to do that? |
| 19:21.37 | Nyle | simonrvn: I should read up on svg |
| 19:22.18 | simonrvn | it's fun, like regular pix, but there's some perks due to it being vector-based |
| 19:22.26 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 19:22.32 | Nyle | not really sure what that means |
| 19:22.36 | Nyle | 'vector based' |
| 19:23.00 | Nyle | obviously something based on a vector |
| 19:23.06 | Nyle | i mean.. you know |
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| 19:23.11 | traza | :s |
| 19:23.31 | simonrvn | svg - scalable vector graphics |
| 19:23.39 | Nyle | oh |
| 19:23.46 | Nyle | scalable you say |
| 19:23.52 | Nyle | that is word indeed |
| 19:24.10 | Nyle | ahh its a W3C thing |
| 19:24.16 | Nyle | xmls graphics for the web |
| 19:24.21 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 19:24.28 | Nyle | interesting... |
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| 19:24.36 | simonrvn | brb |
| 19:24.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: and it's XML so you can edit it with a text editor .. yay |
| 19:24.46 | Nyle | !svg |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, svg is an acronym for Scalable Vector Graphics, an open vector graphics format. Can be rendered by ksvg and Firefox 1.5 (only partial support). More info at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ or #svg |
| 19:25.40 | Nyle | oh nice |
| 19:25.48 | Nyle | damn svg kinda kicks as |
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| 19:26.10 | Nyle | <circle cx="50" cy="50" r="50" style="stroke: black; fill: none" /> |
| 19:26.12 | Nyle | dude... |
| 19:26.23 | Nyle | that is sooooo much word its not even funny |
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| 19:27.33 | amphi | Nyle: no one ever said xml wasn't prolix ;) |
| 19:27.36 | dkr | inkscape ftw |
| 19:28.55 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: yo, factoid help. |
| 19:28.58 | dkr | I'm not really a graphics guy, but inkscape is some nice software. It has a nifty little tutorial built in on making svgs |
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| 19:29.21 | Nyle | hmm |
| 19:29.25 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: I'd like to teach dpkg this as a literal, which linux distro is for a vague idea (eg, <based on debian>), run ls /etc/ | egrep "(debian_version|redhat-release|gentoo-release|mandrake-release|SuSE-release|slackware-version)" |
| 19:29.29 | Nyle | found another bug in kcontrol background properties |
| 19:29.43 | Supaplex | but he keeps using (1|2|3) as random choices no matter how I try to escape |
| 19:29.45 | Nyle | seems it can't display wallpaper files if the dir has spaces in it |
| 19:29.59 | Nyle | yup |
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| 19:30.06 | Nyle | tried 2 diff dir and 2 diff files |
| 19:30.08 | Nyle | same result |
| 19:30.13 | amphi | Nyle: eschew kthings |
| 19:30.17 | Supaplex | Nyle: symlinks for the win :P |
| 19:30.24 | Nyle | space in dir name, bg doesn't show up |
| 19:30.27 | wald0 | Supaplex: see os-prober |
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| 19:31.04 | Nyle | bug catching pokemon trainer |
| 19:31.18 | Nyle | amphi: what does that mean (and in which language?) |
| 19:31.39 | dkr | ls /etc/*version /etc/*-release |
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| 19:32.13 | amphi | Nyle: 'eschew' is english |
| 19:32.14 | Supaplex | I guess one or two file not found is ok. I didn't want 5 of them :) |
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| 19:32.19 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 19:32.27 | Nyle | amphi: wow.. I don't know english |
| 19:32.28 | Supaplex | !define eschew |
| 19:32.30 | DeathWolf | -!- shun: avoid and stay away from deliberately; stay clear of |
| 19:32.32 | Haris | I'm seeing this in webmin for the primary raid partition; |
| 19:32.34 | Haris | RAID status clean, degraded, recovering |
| 19:32.34 | Haris | Rebuilding progress 1 % |
| 19:32.40 | Nyle | amphi: um |
| 19:32.41 | amphi | Nyle: 'shun' is a reasonable synonym |
| 19:32.42 | Haris | What does this mean? |
| 19:32.42 | Nyle | go away. |
| 19:32.45 | Haris | Thi is an active box |
| 19:32.46 | Nyle | :) |
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| 19:33.18 | Supaplex | Haris: it told you. you raid is rebuilding and recovering from a fault |
| 19:33.28 | Nyle | amphi: I say that because kde > * |
| 19:33.31 | Nyle | so bugger off :) |
| 19:33.44 | Supaplex | !start a de war |
| 19:33.53 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 19:33.53 | dpkg | fluxbox bites! |
| 19:33.54 | Nyle | bah |
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| 19:33.58 | Haris | Supaplex: Ok, during tihs process, should the box be used or left to idle? |
| 19:33.59 | Nyle | just start a war |
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| 19:34.17 | amphi | Nyle: kde is certainly not > no DE |
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| 19:34.48 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:34.58 | Supaplex | Haris: should be fine. using it won't harm it, but performance might be lesser while it's rebuilding. |
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| 19:36.14 | Joelito | anyone know when is going to be release "debian etch 4.0 r3"? |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | Joelito: no .. why? |
| 19:36.40 | Haris | Ok, what does rebuilding mean? |
| 19:36.45 | Haris | I'm surprised as to what has happened |
| 19:36.55 | abrotman | Haris: your RAID faulted .. one of your disks took a poo |
| 19:36.57 | Haris | this raid1 partition's main drive was not working |
| 19:37.03 | simonrvn | it's rebuilding the raid array... |
| 19:37.04 | Nyle | thats WHY you have a raid... |
| 19:37.14 | Haris | the box was working off the 2nd disks's partition, part of this md0 |
| 19:37.17 | Nyle | so if shit happens, you will rebuild and not lose your data |
| 19:37.20 | Haris | which is surprising! |
| 19:37.35 | Haris | since the box was working, lol |
| 19:37.35 | simonrvn | it's rraid ffs |
| 19:37.40 | simonrvn | raid* |
| 19:37.40 | Haris | it was supposed to mirror to disk2/partition 1 |
| 19:37.45 | Haris | and run off of disk1/partition1 |
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| 19:37.57 | abrotman | Joelito: why? |
| 19:38.07 | simonrvn | it's supposed to keep working even if one of the disks goes poo |
| 19:38.08 | HyperDevil | how long does a software raid 5 1,5 TB rebuild take? |
| 19:38.17 | Haris | I see |
| 19:38.32 | Joelito | abrotman: just to know. |
| 19:38.40 | Nyle | depends |
| 19:38.40 | abrotman | Joelito: yes .. but why does it matter? |
| 19:38.47 | Fabio_Como | i've a question, if I use "gnome" on a debian etch, i HAVE to use gdm or I can use xdm? I ask this, because I need to use XDMCP and seems that XMing/CygWin-X likes more xdm.. maybe is this true? |
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| 19:38.56 | abrotman | Fabio_Como: you can use xdm |
| 19:39.57 | Fabio_Como | abrotman: do you think xdm is better to use XDMCP from a XMing/CygWin ? |
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| 19:40.02 | HyperDevil | how can i disable ipv6?? module? |
| 19:40.04 | abrotman | no idea |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 19:40.07 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 19:40.07 | Fabio_Como | ok. |
| 19:40.44 | Fabio_Como | can xdm and gdm run together? |
| 19:40.59 | Fabio_Como | because i already have the default gdm installed and running |
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| 19:41.08 | dkr | not on the same display |
| 19:41.14 | msan | Fabio_Como: no they can't. you can have only one of gdm/xdm/kdm |
| 19:41.15 | HyperDevil | abrotman: how can i find the module name? |
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| 19:41.20 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 19:41.29 | Haris | when its rebuilding a raid1 partition, it is actually making sure al disks/partitions are mirrored? |
| 19:41.35 | dkr | HyperDevil: ipv6 |
| 19:41.36 | enouf | Fabio_Como: you can have them all installed |
| 19:41.45 | HyperDevil | abrotman: your the man ;) (it rhymes to ;) |
| 19:41.49 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:41.55 | dkr | too |
| 19:41.55 | Haris | or does it perform any other functions as well |
| 19:41.57 | HyperDevil | haha |
| 19:42.02 | GuilhermeBrant | How can I get the non-free unrar? |
| 19:42.14 | abrotman | !tell GuilhermeBrant about non-free |
| 19:42.26 | Fabio_Como | GuilhermeBrant: download it from www.rarlab.com and use the static version |
| 19:42.33 | Nyle | unfree |
| 19:42.35 | Nyle | heh |
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| 19:43.01 | dkr | Fabio_Como: no need to manually download software. it's all in a repo somewhere :) |
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| 19:43.20 | Fabio_Como | oh ok |
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| 19:47.47 | traza | cuando se congela testing? |
| 19:48.23 | zamuro | !es |
| 19:48.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:48.48 | traza | :S when testing get freeze? is it allready |
| 19:48.59 | Haris | What's a tool for monitoring and reporting changes in files? |
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| 19:49.32 | dkr | fam |
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| 19:50.00 | dkr | or tripwire |
| 19:50.30 | dkr | depends on whether you meant notifying procs of conf file changes right away or checkong once in awhile to see if system binaries changed to detect a rootkit |
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| 19:51.41 | leeping | Hi there, my debian-live CD isn't recognizing my SATA hard drive. Anyone want to help? |
| 19:51.51 | leeping | I have two identical setups and neither HD is recognized |
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| 19:54.22 | Eulex | leeping, you'll probably need a newer kernel. I've no experience replacing the kernel of a live-cd, though. |
| 19:54.40 | Q3Man | when using dpkg-scanpackages to generate a package file for a custom repository, I have a bunch of warnings of the nature "Package XXX (filename XXX.deb) is repeat; ignored that one and using data from XXX.deb ". Is there a way to prune the older version from the repository automatically? |
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| 19:55.03 | leeping | Eulex, thanks for the help. I've modified the liveCD somewhat, but updating the kernel may be more difficult .. I will try it |
| 19:55.46 | leeping | I only know how to update the kernel for the operating system that the machine is currently running on - I don't know how to update just *any* kernel |
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| 19:56.31 | HyperDevil | how can i make SSHD use 2048 bits encryption.. standard it is 786 bits ? |
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| 19:57.46 | DigiMasTer | http://rs97.rapidshare.com/files/91484126/mirc.zip |
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| 19:58.18 | dkr | who wants to bet that is a trojan? |
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| 19:58.44 | DigiMasTer | my script http://rs97.rapidshare.com/files/91484126/mirc.zip |
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| 19:58.50 | HyperDevil | thats a trojan alright :) from greece |
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| 20:00.01 | dkr | Troy is in Turkey :) |
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| 20:00.26 | HyperDevil | lol |
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| 20:02.02 | thelostbutler | leeping: what is the livecd you are using ? |
| 20:02.13 | HyperDevil | how can i make SSHD use 2048 bits encryption.. standard it is 786 bits ? |
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| 20:02.19 | testergg1 | Hi, we have an etch system with 2 ethernet cards, can anyone help with how to configure all local traffic to be sent to one nic and other traffic should go to the other? |
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| 20:02.36 | abrotman | testergg1: setup your routes |
| 20:03.20 | testergg1 | abrotman: I've never played with routes can you suggest an example? |
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| 20:03.51 | testergg1 | abrotman: it seems to have 2 default routes, that should cause a problem I think |
| 20:03.58 | abrotman | testergg1: you can't have two defaults |
| 20:04.45 | testergg1 | abrotman: I guess I should delete one, I didn't add them but when I type route there are 2 routes with default |
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| 20:04.55 | abrotman | testergg1: paste it somewhere |
| 20:05.00 | dkr | testergg1: edit /etc/network/interfaces remove gateway line from one of the stanzas |
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| 20:05.15 | dkr | (that's what sets it as default route) |
| 20:06.03 | thelostbutler | HyperDevil: ServerKeyBits is probably what you are looking for, from sshd_config man page. i am not sure though. the man page talks about only protocol 1 |
| 20:06.23 | abrotman | dkr: unless they're both dhcp |
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| 20:06.57 | dcsimon | is there a way to make sure that a certain hard drive gets assigned to the same device node? |
| 20:07.23 | testergg1 | abrotman: dkr: http://pastebin.com/meb06d83 |
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| 20:07.50 | kjs | how can i check what points Spam assassin is giving mails sent from my mail server? and how i can fix this? im sure there was a site for this? |
| 20:07.51 | Justin | dcsimon: ls -Rl /dev/disk/ |
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| 20:07.53 | Nyle | that is why I think they invented UUIDs |
| 20:07.55 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 20:08.09 | dkr | abrotman: woot. my psychic powers worked again |
| 20:08.20 | dcsimon | Nyle: alright, how do I use them |
| 20:08.22 | abrotman | dkr: i'm amazed it works at all :) |
| 20:08.23 | Nyle | with a uuid identifier I guess you don't need to worry about device nodes concerning that |
| 20:08.27 | dondelelcaro | kjs: fix what about it? You don't have to scan mail from your MUA. |
| 20:08.32 | revil | how can I download an older version of a package? |
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| 20:08.36 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 20:08.36 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 20:08.39 | Nyle | !uuid |
| 20:08.40 | dpkg | somebody said uuid was a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 20:08.45 | Haris | RAID status clean :-) |
| 20:08.57 | octo__ | can anyone suggest a list of repo sources for me to install(im new to Deb) :) |
| 20:09.04 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: actually, the better method is to run lsb_release -a; |
| 20:09.12 | Nyle | im not 100% positive |
| 20:09.24 | abrotman | octo__: the standard ones are fine |
| 20:09.30 | \amethyst | dcsimon: you can also use a label (see /dev/disk/by-label; if it's not set you can use tune2fs -L blah to set one) |
| 20:09.37 | kjs | dondelelcaro: I am trying to send mail to a mailing list and it's saying it's being rejected due to it thinking my mails are spams, which are sent from my mail server. |
| 20:09.40 | \amethyst | dcsimon: then you can mount with LABEL=label |
| 20:09.54 | Nyle | ahh yes |
| 20:09.57 | \amethyst | dcsimon: LABEL=blah, that is, as the device name in fstab |
| 20:09.58 | Nyle | forgot labels |
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| 20:10.04 | dcsimon | awesome, thanks, that helps tons |
| 20:10.15 | Nyle | labels or uuid? |
| 20:10.20 | octo__ | abrotman, the ones that are in during install have everything I need? |
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| 20:10.26 | \amethyst | dcsimon: the difference is that if you change to a new disk, the UUID will be different, but you can set the label to be the same |
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| 20:10.41 | octo__ | abrotman, what about codecs and stuff? |
| 20:11.06 | abrotman | octo__: then ask for stuff specifically .. we're not going to give you a bunch of random sources for stuff you don't need that might mess up your system |
| 20:11.08 | \amethyst | dcsimon: (you can actually set the UUID to be the same, too, but it's not recommended) |
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| 20:11.14 | abrotman | !tell octo__ about dmm |
| 20:11.32 | \amethyst | dcsimon: (at least not if the partition with the old UUID still exists---they're supposed to be universally unique) |
| 20:11.39 | dondelelcaro | kjs: the solution is to not to scan mails originating from your server |
| 20:11.40 | dcsimon | amethyst: ok, cool, so I find the right uuid how? |
| 20:11.40 | thelostbutler | octo__: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 20:12.04 | dondelelcaro | kjs: most MTAs have configuration options to do this (and if you're using spamass-milter, it can do it too) |
| 20:12.06 | \amethyst | dcsimon: as the bot mentioned, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 20:12.10 | octo__ | abrotman, sorry, I wasnt asking for you to give them to me but merly meant, can anyone point me to a got resource online for Deb |
| 20:12.35 | Arelis | Hi, people. I'm trying to get my right resolution (1440x900) working, but so far i get a screen i can scroll through with my mouse and doesn't look nice at all. I get that when i try to force 1440x900 through the Xorg configuration file. When i don't, though, i get a reasonably looking screen, albeit not 1440x900. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9600. Can anybody help me solve this issue? |
| 20:13.06 | Nyle | Arelis: does you use fglrx or ati? |
| 20:13.07 | abrotman | octo__: and that's what i'm saying .. if you don't need something specifically .. adding random sources is more likely to do harm than good |
| 20:13.09 | \amethyst | Arelis: could you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:13.12 | Arelis | Nyle, ati |
| 20:13.15 | tudon | arelis what does xrandr say |
| 20:13.19 | dcsimon | \amethyst: will do |
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| 20:13.27 | Nyle | \amethyst: you are too fast man |
| 20:13.31 | Arelis | tudon, well right now i have it on 1024x768 because i found that one awkward to use |
| 20:13.34 | Nyle | like a speeding bullet |
| 20:13.52 | \amethyst | Nyle: that's not what my research advisor thinks :) |
| 20:13.55 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:14.10 | kjs | dondelelcaro: I dont control the mail server at xensoft... im trying to a post to a mailinglist and its bouncing my emails as it thinks they are spam. |
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| 20:14.44 | dondelelcaro | kjs: but you control the messages outgoing from your MTA, presumably? |
| 20:15.01 | octo__ | abrotman, well, i just wanted to see what is avail to the Deb community. For instance do youhave 3d drivers and where, do you have compiz-fusion in .deb format and stuff like that |
| 20:15.01 | Arelis | \amethyst, here is my Xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/4621/ . And here is my Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4622/ <-- The config file has been changed so i could work in a better resolution, but the log file contains what happens when 1440x900 is forced. |
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| 20:15.07 | jbt | where I boot my debian etch with lilo and all FS on lvm it drop me into initramfs shell, any idea here's the errror http://pastebin.com/m3a2d18c4 |
| 20:15.08 | \amethyst | kjs: when you say 'my mail server'... does it have a dynamic and static IP? |
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| 20:15.54 | kjs | \amethyst: yes. |
| 20:16.03 | \amethyst | kjs: err, sorry, dynamic or static |
| 20:16.07 | kjs | dondelelcaro: the mailing list is bouncing it! |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | octo__: if you're on etch .. it's the old compiz |
| 20:16.10 | kjs | not me. |
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| 20:16.15 | dkr | HyperDevil: it was indeed a trojan, for windows no less. :) "W32/Ircbot.1!Generic" I bet he had a lot of luck advertising it here in linux land ;) |
| 20:16.19 | dondelelcaro | kjs: why is the mailing list bouncing it? |
| 20:16.22 | Arelis | \amethyst, don't get me wrong, i'm on Debian, but i'm using the ubuntu pastebin because it does the job. |
| 20:16.34 | Nyle | paste.debian.net is fast |
| 20:16.48 | kjs | dondelelcaro: its saying | Content analysis details: (4.6 points, 4.0 required) |
| 20:16.49 | Arelis | Nyle, thanks :) |
| 20:16.53 | Nyle | yw |
| 20:17.01 | \amethyst | Arelis: when you set it to 1440x900, does ctrl-alt-KeypadMinus change to the desired resolution? |
| 20:17.06 | dondelelcaro | kjs: then it thinks your message is spam. Figure out why, and fix it. |
| 20:17.22 | kjs | dondelelcaro: Received: contains an IP address used for HELO |
| 20:17.37 | \amethyst | kjs: could you pastebin a complete bounce message? |
| 20:17.38 | kjs | and its also complaining about the email having some html in it. |
| 20:17.43 | kjs | yeah sure. |
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| 20:17.57 | dondelelcaro | kjs: so their you go; your MUA is misconfigured if it's sending an IP as HELO, and you shouldn't be sending HTML. |
| 20:18.00 | Arelis | \amethyst, to find that out i'd have to uncomment it and restart the X server. I'll do that now, then. I'll be back in a sec. And i'll install a CLI irc client along the way. |
| 20:18.21 | octo__ | abrotman, what does etch stand for, sorry :) |
| 20:18.30 | corto | hi guys, trying to get sshfs running, it can't find /dev/fuse... any idea how i can get that device? |
| 20:18.35 | Nyle | Arelis: irssi |
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| 20:18.44 | Arelis_ | alright i'm in. |
| 20:18.46 | corto | i installed everything that mentioned fuse or sshfs |
| 20:18.46 | kjs | dondelelcaro: \amethyst https://xen.privatepaste.com/fa0EPNGXTx |
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| 20:18.47 | Nyle | Arelis: w/ screen |
| 20:19.04 | thelostbutler | corto: is the support in the kernel built ? or have you loaded the required module |
| 20:19.12 | t0mb0y | if i want to use debian for a simple personal email server via mysql virtual host, whats the suggested tools now a days. postfix,dovecot,spamassasin,clamav ? |
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| 20:19.35 | corto | thelostbutler, i'm quite new with debian, i'll check... |
| 20:20.03 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: pretty much. |
| 20:20.04 | kjs | dondelelcaro: what should it be sending as a helo msg ? |
| 20:20.07 | corto | thelostbutler, lsmod shows nothing interesting |
| 20:20.24 | t0mb0y | dondelelcaro: tnx |
| 20:20.28 | \amethyst | kjs: yeah, it looks like they're a little bit strict about their spam checking. The biggest thing is the HELO, though |
| 20:20.36 | thelostbutler | corto: it is not a debian issue, it is a question of the kernel support. |
| 20:20.41 | \amethyst | kjs: does your mail server have the hostname configured properly |
| 20:20.50 | Arelis_ | \amethyst: No, ctrl+alt+plus and ctrl+alt+minus cycles through awkward resolutions. |
| 20:21.03 | kjs | \amethyst: yeah. |
| 20:21.43 | kjs | myhostname = |
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| 20:21.55 | octo__ | abrotman, well, I know that i am on etch, but that is a German name for something right? |
| 20:21.55 | \amethyst | kjs: could you pastebin the outgoing message too (with complete headers)? |
| 20:21.59 | kjs | in postfix main.cf is correct for the box. |
| 20:22.23 | HyperDevil | dkr: he was not very bright then! |
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| 20:22.41 | \amethyst | Arelis_: hmm... odd, because the log file you posted looks like it's using 1440x900 without any problems :( |
| 20:23.07 | Arelis_ | \amethyst: Well it certainly looks weird. It covers part of the screen and is sort of distorted, pixelly, blurry. |
| 20:23.34 | thelostbutler | corto: try something like modprobe fuse |
| 20:23.36 | corto | thelostbutler, thought the support would be by module automatically |
| 20:23.38 | kjs | \amethyst: i wont have the headers? |
| 20:23.45 | kjs | not on the outgoing ? |
| 20:23.53 | kjs | i can pastebin the full returned msg. |
| 20:24.11 | thelostbutler | corto: what is the distribution and the kernel you are using anyway ? |
| 20:24.15 | dondelelcaro | kjs: if you're not sure what's going on, turn on tcpdump, and watch what's being sent on the line |
| 20:24.36 | dondelelcaro | kjs: but almost certainly your machine is going EHLO 1.2.3.4 instead of EHLO foo.com |
| 20:24.56 | tudon | somwtimes its like xrandr gets a life of its own compared to xorg.conf i have a pc where the mon wat set working at 75 hz but xrandr reported 60 . |
| 20:25.04 | kjs | dondelelcaro: odd... if i telnet to the smtp port i should see the ehlo hostname? |
| 20:25.19 | dondelelcaro | kjs: no, if you watch the traffic going to the foreign webserver you should see it |
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| 20:25.40 | kjs | ok. |
| 20:25.54 | corto | thelostbutler, debian, 2.6.18-6-686, the modprobe fixed it, but i'm left with an issue about root vs user and mount |
| 20:26.06 | abrotman | octo__: it's a release name .. it's a character in a movie |
| 20:26.22 | Arelis_ | hold on - got to install screen |
| 20:26.35 | \amethyst | octo__: etch as in Etch-a-Sketch |
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| 20:27.03 | Arelis__ | Back again. |
| 20:27.18 | octo__ | abrotman, lol, oh ok. sorry to ask so many stupid questions, but i have a bit of catching up to do i think |
| 20:27.34 | thelostbutler | corto: what is the issue ? |
| 20:27.38 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/49246 <-- output of xrandr |
| 20:28.03 | corto | thelostbutler, oh, can only mount as root, but it should be as user so i can work! |
| 20:28.25 | octo__ | abrotman, do you happen to know what source and packages mdraid can be found in ? |
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| 20:29.05 | corto | what's the security risk involved in making mount available to anyone? |
| 20:29.11 | \amethyst | Arelis__: does the scrolling happen vertically only, or horizontally too? |
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| 20:29.43 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: If i press the 'auto' button on my monitor, horizontally it's alright but vertically it still scrolls and there's even a part of the screen i can't scroll to, so i can't see the taskbar. |
| 20:29.48 | \amethyst | Arelis__: the problem is that you have both 1440x900 *and* 1280x1024 as available modes. |
| 20:30.03 | \amethyst | Arelis__: which means the virtual screen size must be at least 1440x1024 |
| 20:30.07 | \amethyst | Arelis__: and that is the problem |
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| 20:30.34 | testergg1 | abrotman: I removed my gateway entry and did a route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 to send traffic to the 192.168.1.0 network to eth0, but I am unable to ping another computer 192.168.1.2 |
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| 20:30.38 | \amethyst | Arelis__: you could use 1280x800 instead of 1280x1024 maybe |
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| 20:30.59 | \amethyst | Arelis__: also get rid of 1280x960, for the same reason |
| 20:31.07 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: hold on i'll try it with 1440x900 as the only option |
| 20:31.37 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: nope, that didn't solve it. |
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| 20:33.14 | kjs | dondelelcaro: what would i grep for ? |
| 20:33.38 | \amethyst | Arelis__: what does the updated xorg.conf look like? |
| 20:34.02 | \amethyst | Arelis__: inside each "Display" subsection it should have Depth blah and Modes "1440x900" |
| 20:34.02 | thelostbutler | corto: i have no idea how to circumvent the permissions |
| 20:34.28 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: It looked the same except for 1440x900 being everywhere instead of "1440x900" "1280x1024" etc etc.. I tried setting it to 1280x1024 but even that looks blurry and pixelated. |
| 20:34.33 | corto | oh it's simple, it's got the chmod superuser bit set... |
| 20:34.50 | dondelelcaro | kjs: you're just looking for what it sends as EHLO |
| 20:35.03 | \amethyst | Arelis__: could you set it to just 1440x900 and pastebin the resulting log? |
| 20:35.10 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: sur. |
| 20:35.12 | Arelis__ | sure* |
| 20:35.22 | thelostbutler | corto: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Is_it_possible_to_mount_a_fuse_filesystem_from_fstabx3f can be of help |
| 20:35.33 | kjs | dondelelcaro: doesnt seem to display ehlo |
| 20:36.18 | corto | thelostbutler, sure, thanks for googling for me! I was thinking on adding my user to a "mount" group actually... |
| 20:37.03 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/49247 |
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| 20:37.50 | Spec | heya....i just ran chkrootkit and my /var/log/wtmp file is missing....what gives? |
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| 20:41.19 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: Are you still there? |
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| 20:44.46 | \amethyst | Arelis__: sorry, was afk |
| 20:44.57 | Spec | ah, i see, nevermind. |
| 20:45.21 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: no problem :) |
| 20:45.32 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/49247 <-- this is the paste you asked for |
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| 20:45.51 | \amethyst | Arelis__: now it says "Virtual size is 1440x900"... what does xrandr report? |
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| 20:46.09 | Arelis__ | *0 1440 x 900 ( 381mm x 238mm ) *60 |
| 20:46.35 | Arelis__ | but that's not all - wait |
| 20:46.40 | \amethyst | Arelis__: does that still have the problem? |
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| 20:47.10 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: This is the whole output: http://paste.debian.net/49248 <-- and yes, i still have the same problem. |
| 20:48.03 | \amethyst | Arelis__: so when you move below the bottom of the screen it scrolls down? |
| 20:48.45 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: well right now it doesn't seem to do that. There is a part of the screen at the bottom not displaying. So i can't see my whole screen. But it's not scrolling anymore. |
| 20:49.04 | \amethyst | Arelis__: how do you know that there's part of the screen not displaying? |
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| 20:49.16 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: Because i'm seeing that with my eyes. |
| 20:49.39 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: I see that there is a part of the screen not displaying because i can't see the taskbar and when i move my mouse to the bottom i can see parts of tooltips |
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| 20:49.56 | \amethyst | Arelis__: wait, is your mouse moving below the bottom of the screen? |
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| 20:50.16 | \amethyst | Arelis__: is is the pointer still sitting on the bottom line? |
| 20:50.21 | castalia | help /join |
| 20:50.24 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: Yes. And maximized windows are not being displayed in its whole |
| 20:50.35 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: what do you mean with sitting on the bottom line? |
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| 20:50.55 | gentgeen__ | Is this right for a "Feb 16th, at 3:00AM" crontab entry : 0 3 16 2 * command ? Little confused what to do with the "Week" entry. |
| 20:51.27 | gentgeen__ | s/Week/Day of Week/ |
| 20:51.28 | \amethyst | gentgeen__: yes, it's correct. * mean "it doesn't matter what day of the week it is" |
| 20:51.45 | gentgeen__ | \amethyst, great.. thans |
| 20:51.47 | gentgeen__ | thanks |
| 20:51.55 | \amethyst | Arelis__: when I move my pointer to the bottom of the screen, I can see the top few pixels on the last line of the screen |
| 20:52.04 | \amethyst | Arelis__: that's what I meant |
| 20:52.17 | wintix | is mysql4 still in etch? |
| 20:52.23 | \amethyst | Arelis__: it sounds like *something*, perhaps your window manager, still thinks the display is 1440x900 |
| 20:52.33 | \amethyst | Arelis__: but X and xrandr are now reporting correctly |
| 20:52.52 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: My screen is very blurry and pixellated, i can see the top part of the screen but a little part at the bottom is missing, so that means that my "display" isn't fully being displayed, and i can only see part of it on my screen. |
| 20:52.58 | \amethyst | Arelis__: err, sorry, something still thinks the display is bigger than 1440x900 |
| 20:53.25 | \amethyst | Arelis__: blurry and pixellated? is 1440x900 the native resolution of your display |
| 20:53.28 | \amethyst | ? |
| 20:53.33 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: yes. Native, and recommended. |
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| 20:53.52 | peppe | Arelis__: maybe you're running a lower resolution? |
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| 20:54.15 | \amethyst | Arelis__: what kind of blurry and pixellated? Everything, just the fonts, ... |
| 20:54.18 | Arelis__ | peppe: Could be. Under Ubuntu, resolutions were fine. |
| 20:54.31 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: Everything, ranging from pictures to fonts to menus to videos. |
| 20:54.38 | wintix | Arelis__: your display might be able to show you the current resolution |
| 20:55.06 | \amethyst | Arelis__: at this point I'm stumped, though I think it's closer to working correctly than it was before |
| 20:55.08 | peppe | Arelis__: did you use proprietary (restricted) drivers ? |
| 20:55.17 | Arelis__ | peppe: no. |
| 20:55.33 | \amethyst | Arelis__: given the xrandr report, I don't know why the window manager etc thinks there is a space below the bottom of the screen |
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| 20:56.03 | peppe | lines 619-620 from Xorg.log are quite strange |
| 20:56.06 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: It's not the window manager. The whole screen is bigger than my display itself is. |
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| 20:56.24 | Arelis__ | screen referring to what's being displayed and display referring to my monitor |
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| 20:57.15 | peppe | Arelis__: but is your display's overall resolution 1440x900? |
| 20:57.16 | enouf | ok .. i get hives just thinking about email .. is there a support group or something for people like me? |
| 20:57.30 | Arelis__ | peppe: Yes. Native resolution, and i think it's recommended in the manual. |
| 20:57.31 | \amethyst | Arelis__: but it's not an X 'virtual mode' thing or it would be scrolling up and down... and xrandr is rporting that the screen is 1440x900 |
| 20:57.32 | amphi | enouf: mutt ;) |
| 20:57.42 | peppe | Arelis__: I mean... if you make a screenshot, it has that resolution? |
| 20:58.06 | enouf | amphi: ahh.. i see you've been working on your summation abilities ;-) |
| 20:58.10 | \amethyst | Arelis__: so I wonder exactly *what* programs think the display is bigger, and how |
| 20:58.16 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: It WAS scrolling up and down when i didn't use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but after i did that i got the results i just told you (screen still woozy, but scrolling stopped and only part of the screen is visible) |
| 20:58.18 | peppe | Arelis__: it can be that the *overall* screen is 1440x900, but you currently have a lower resolution |
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| 20:58.39 | \amethyst | Arelis__: yeah, as peppe suggested take a screenshot and see how big it is (and whether it includes the cut-off stuff) |
| 20:59.05 | ronsonol | grr. Alsa tosses dice on bootup whether I'm gonna have sound or not...it is getting really intolerable. |
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| 20:59.34 | \amethyst | Arelis__: hey, have you tried recalibrating the display after changing the resolution? |
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| 20:59.43 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: width and height of the screenshot are 1440x900.. weird. |
| 20:59.47 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: yes. |
| 20:59.57 | \amethyst | Arelis__: and the cut-off stuff shows up on the screenshot or not? |
| 21:00.06 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:00.18 | peppe | Arelis__: did you try pressing ctrl + alt + "+" (of the numeric keypad) |
| 21:00.22 | enouf | amphi: ok -so, mutt's a client?(mua), do i use pop3 or imap? and which mta? i would prefer not to use my crappy webmail accont on yahoo, but i would if i could alter the sending From: when i care about it - and if it'll save me from worrying about spam locally |
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| 21:00.37 | \amethyst | Arelis__: what happens if you change your monitor's vertical scale? does more stuff become visible? |
| 21:00.42 | Arelis__ | peppe: doesn't do anything |
| 21:00.47 | enouf | amphi: i have exim installed, never really setup though |
| 21:00.57 | \amethyst | peppe: we disabled all the other modes in xorg.conf |
| 21:01.04 | peppe | \amethyst: oh. sorry |
| 21:01.27 | \amethyst | peppe: the original problem was that it had both 1440x900 and 1280x1024 so the virtual size was 1440x1024 |
| 21:01.28 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: my monitor doesn't allow that. I'm able to choose between wide and 4:3 |
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| 21:01.37 | \amethyst | Arelis__: and it's set to wide? |
| 21:01.39 | becki | hi |
| 21:01.42 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:01.52 | amphi | enouf: I've used postfix/fetchmail |
| 21:01.56 | \amethyst | Arelis__: is it supposed to be 16:10 or 16:9 ? |
| 21:02.00 | enouf | amphi: i basically just want to be able to file bugs without looking like willy wonka when i do (literally ;-O) - and maybe a few personal ones here and there |
| 21:02.10 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: how can I check? |
| 21:02.19 | \amethyst | Arelis__: Not sure... maybe the manual |
| 21:02.21 | amphi | enouf: and pull mail from wherever with whatever protocol they support; I still use mbox format here |
| 21:02.29 | \amethyst | Arelis__: is it cutting off about 90 pixels? |
| 21:02.46 | \amethyst | Arelis__: because at 16:9, you'd have 1440x810 (1440x900 is 16:10) |
| 21:02.47 | enouf | amphi: but do any of those require i setup and maintain a mail server? aka spamassassin and shit? |
| 21:02.57 | zomak | Why does not knetworkmanager find any wlan adapters or lan adapters. i have already started ini.d/networkmanager |
| 21:02.58 | abrotman | enouf: i use reportbug with my yahoo .. |
| 21:03.00 | enouf | hrm |
| 21:03.07 | enouf | abrotman: cool, thanks |
| 21:03.18 | amphi | enouf: I don't bother with spamassasin or any of that stuff; I don't get much spam, 5 or 6 a week |
| 21:03.34 | enouf | i fired up reportbug but killed it, got stumped - i need to configure it |
| 21:03.48 | enouf | amphi: ok, thanks |
| 21:03.50 | \amethyst | Arelis__: it does sound like a monitor issue at this point.... X is making the display 1440x900 but the monitor is cutting off the bottom |
| 21:04.41 | enouf | abrotman: is that pop3 or imap, or both or .. i guess webmail is imap? |
| 21:04.53 | amphi | enouf: some of the spam is sent by people who provide me with useful pseudonyms, like Halibut Q. Atheist or Chantrey P. Quartets |
| 21:04.58 | abrotman | enouf: remember if you're using the debian BTS .. it doesn't scramble your email .. so anyone that is scraping can get it |
| 21:04.59 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: At the bottom of the screen, yes. I'll illustrate it for you: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9928/schermafdrukgemarkeerdgy7.png |
| 21:04.59 | enouf | since i never actually pull it down |
| 21:05.07 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: It DID work on Ubuntu, and on Windows. |
| 21:05.10 | Arelis__ | so it's not the monitor itself. |
| 21:05.10 | enouf | abrotman: righto |
| 21:05.28 | abrotman | enouf: i use my ISPs smtp .. comcast doesn't seem to have an issue routing any mail sent from its network |
| 21:05.34 | enouf | amphi: you're no fun ! :-p |
| 21:05.37 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: the red-stroked area is the visible area |
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| 21:05.48 | \amethyst | Arelis__: to the bottom of the red stroke or the top? |
| 21:05.49 | peppe | Arelis__: did you try to press an "auto" button on monitor or similar? :-P |
| 21:06.04 | Arelis__ | peppe: yes. |
| 21:06.04 | enouf | abrotman: ahh. .. ok, so i'll try my cable provider's smtp servers i guess |
| 21:06.16 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: at the top is visible. at the bottom of the line it's invisible |
| 21:06.51 | \amethyst | Arelis__: hm, so about 1440x860 |
| 21:07.02 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: yes. |
| 21:07.06 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: i think so. |
| 21:07.08 | enouf | hrm .. ok, the hives are starting to appear .. i'll touch more upon this later - thanks amphi and abrotman so far |
| 21:07.26 | peppe | Arelis__: does your monitor have a "configuration" menu or something like that, which you can read the resolution/refresh/etc. settings in? |
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| 21:08.23 | HyperDevil | when i use MC on debian etch: f6 to move files i get: segmentation fault :( |
| 21:08.33 | Arelis__ | peppe: Nope. |
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| 21:08.58 | pettern | hi, i seem to have some problems getting php working on debian 4.0. i used the netins image and installed it with a webserver. i have apache2, php5 and apachelib-php5 installed and the php module is in the mods-enabled folder. i have also set 777 rights to the php file. any idea what im missing? |
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| 21:09.20 | peppe | Arelis__: sure? that would be strange, only very old monitors haven't that |
| 21:09.31 | Arelis__ | peppe: it's a tv/monitor combination. |
| 21:09.33 | \amethyst | Arelis__: do you have the xorg.conf from Ubuntu handy? |
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| 21:09.44 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: sadly no. |
| 21:09.53 | karrotx__ | anyone have experience with this error: warning: SASL: Connect to /etc/postfix/sasl failed: Permission denied |
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| 21:10.19 | thelostbutler | karrotx_: #postfix |
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| 21:10.46 | abrotman | and postfix on debian runs in a chroot |
| 21:10.48 | zeitsofas | hey people i try to install sid via http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install on a eee i runs bevor i try a new install no the installation runs but it gives an error at install grub into mbr grup-pc cannot install in /target/ - i cant fix ist did anyone knows i can do ? |
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| 21:11.30 | becki | i have got problems dist-upgrading etch to lenny. after asking if i want to continue apt says "internal error, could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata". what could i do? |
| 21:11.44 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 21:11.48 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: no, i don't have my xorg.conf from Ubuntu handy. |
| 21:11.49 | tiberius0101 | what is the difference between cp -a and cp -b ? |
| 21:11.57 | Mazingaro | please is there something like adept for kde in lenny? |
| 21:11.57 | thelostbutler | pettern: what is the error message you are getting in the logs? have you restarted apache are installing ? is libapache2-mod-php5 installed ? |
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| 21:12.12 | zomak | becki: run apt-get install tzdata manually, then continue with apt-get dist-upgdrade, helped with me |
| 21:12.33 | tiberius0101 | sry. first of all > hello ! |
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| 21:13.09 | tiberius0101 | I know that -a is the same like -dbr but what is -b ? |
| 21:13.22 | enouf | abrotman: the psotfix comment meant for moi? and smtp is pop3 yes? |
| 21:13.39 | enouf | oh .. nm the former |
| 21:13.40 | tiberius0101 | backup...means what is -R and -p ? |
| 21:13.42 | mackss | i think one of the last debian updates gofed up my apache. My error logs are filling up with the same error "/htdocs doesn't exist" is this known? |
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| 21:13.55 | mackss | http://pastebin.com/d2c9e3bdc |
| 21:14.05 | becki | ah, zomak, thank you |
| 21:14.12 | thelostbutler | tiberius0101: man cp |
| 21:14.15 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: Are you still there? |
| 21:14.18 | \amethyst | Arelis__: Unfortunately I have little experience with LCDs, so I don't know how to help you further :( |
| 21:14.50 | zomak | becki: no probs |
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| 21:15.16 | tiberius0101 | yep, but there is no describtion > --backup[=CONTROL] |
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| 21:15.20 | \amethyst | Arelis__: The only thing I can think is to try booting up an Ubuntu CD and seeing what kind of xorg.conf it generates |
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| 21:15.54 | abrotman | enouf: no .. not for you |
| 21:15.55 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: An Xorg.conf with the open-source 'radeon' driver and 1440x900 resolution. All works fine. |
| 21:16.18 | \amethyst | Arelis__: any significant differences? |
| 21:16.32 | enouf | Mazingaro: what is adept? |
| 21:16.50 | \amethyst | Arelis__: are the HorizSync and VertRefresh settings in the xorg.conf you pasted correct? |
| 21:16.55 | enouf | Mazingaro: maybe synaptic, or maybe even kpackage manager .. /me runs |
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| 21:17.06 | \amethyst | Arelis__: and does it help at all (probably not) to turn off useFBDev? |
| 21:17.09 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: I used the autodetected values |
| 21:17.16 | Arelis__ | \amethyst: that's already turned off |
| 21:17.33 | pettern | thelostbutler, apache is restarted, i have the package installed, i dont get any error, and there is nothing in the logs about php |
| 21:18.12 | thelostbutler | pettern: what happens when you run a simple php script like <?php phpinfo(); ?> or something like that |
| 21:19.50 | \amethyst | Arelis__: hmm... I'm stuck then :( |
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| 21:23.20 | Mazingaro | enouf: adept shows in tray when there are updates... I need this functionality |
| 21:23.34 | pettern | thelostbutler, i found the problem. it was actually pretty stupid. i ran php from a html file and to do that with apache i need a htaccess file:) |
| 21:23.37 | enouf | \amethyst: Arelis__ you guys have been at it for sometime, and i wasn't paying attention, but what's the general issue? does xorg's 'radeon' work in debian? is it vesa{fb} that's the issue? i know some specific kernel params affected someone i helped who uses ubuntu, vs debian, but that was mostly console related |
| 21:23.47 | enouf | Mazingaro: yikes! |
| 21:24.11 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: try update-notifier for that |
| 21:24.28 | Insolit | hello guys i have a little doubt, i have a subdomain with two computers, both use a ntp server in the main domain to be synchronized. let's say that both use a ntp.foo.pt ntp server. My subdomain is bar.foo.pt, and accidently i set in another pc connected to my bar subdomain, the ntp server as ntp.bar.foo.pt and the time was synchronized. |
| 21:24.50 | enouf | and .. iirc, it was ati related issues as well |
| 21:24.54 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: it uses the Gnome libraries, but it claims to work with KDE too |
| 21:25.04 | Insolit | I have no ntp server in any of my servers of the subdomain bar, so i guess how could synchronize work... |
| 21:25.09 | Insolit | *guess = wonder |
| 21:25.11 | Mazingaro | \\amethyst: :( |
| 21:25.14 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: :( |
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| 21:26.01 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: you don't need to install all of gnome, it just uses the libraries... maybe a few megabytes |
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| 21:26.20 | kisielk | in which package do I find mkinitrd? |
| 21:26.41 | enouf | initrd-tools |
| 21:26.42 | diabolix | whats the easiest way to sync uids and passwords? |
| 21:26.51 | enouf | but you might want initramfs-tools |
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| 21:27.02 | \amethyst | diabolix: between machines you mean? |
| 21:27.11 | diabolix | \amethyst, yes |
| 21:27.12 | Arelis__ | enouf: The console's normal. xorg's radeon works, but i have strange resolution. scroll up in your logs to see what i mean. |
| 21:27.15 | chairmeleon | My Lenny install keeps saying that I've got insufficient privileges to mount local (ext3) partitions automatically. My external FAT32 USB HDD mounts just fine though |
| 21:27.26 | Insolit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.26 | enouf | Arelis__: but it works in ubuntu? |
| 21:27.31 | diabolix | \amethyst, i know how to mount /home over nfs, but i need to sync uids now. |
| 21:27.33 | \amethyst | diabolix: I don't know about *easy*, but LDAP is one of the most popular and well-documented ways to do that |
| 21:27.51 | \amethyst | diabolix: you would have one machine running the LDAP server and store the information in there |
| 21:28.14 | \amethyst | diabolix: then all the machines would use libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap to authenticate and lookup uses from the LDAP server |
| 21:28.30 | diabolix | \amethyst, ok. I just needed a name, because NIS and kerberose both seem overkill for my needs |
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| 21:28.49 | \amethyst | diabolix: oh, LDAP is at least as complicated as NIS |
| 21:29.20 | diabolix | \amethyst, not so much complication as the right tool, there are only 8 boxes, and there will never be any more. |
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| 21:30.55 | \amethyst | diabolix: either LDAP or NIS is what you want... LDAP is more up-to-date, and integrates better with other operating systems |
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| 21:31.04 | diabolix | ok. thanks. |
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| 21:32.12 | soleone | does someone know a good dictionary tool like babylon for gnome (ubuntu) |
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| 21:33.37 | \amethyst | soleone: wordtrans claims to support babylon's dictionaries... but it's not Gnome |
| 21:33.56 | soleone | so i would need kubuntu? |
| 21:34.10 | \amethyst | soleone: no, you can use wordtrans-qt in Gnome |
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| 21:34.25 | \amethyst | it's just not a Gnome program, so it won't necessarily fit in with the look-and-feel of everything else |
| 21:34.34 | \amethyst | (for that matter, you can use wordtrans-kde in Gnome) |
| 21:34.46 | soleone | oh k thanks |
| 21:34.55 | soleone | and it's free with all dictionaries? |
| 21:35.35 | \amethyst | soleone: you might need to install the dictionaries separately... I think it can use a dict server, too |
| 21:36.02 | \amethyst | soleone: so at the very least, you could install dictd and all its dictionaries locally, then point wordtrans at that |
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| 21:36.18 | \amethyst | soleone: or point it at dict.org |
| 21:36.46 | \amethyst | soleone: or, if you have a copy of Babylon, it says it can use those dictionaries too |
| 21:37.05 | soleone | yay thanks |
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| 21:40.17 | diabolix | is there a prefered way to sync up the packages on two boxes? |
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| 21:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | had something for that somewhere... but can't find it |
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| 21:44.34 | doc|work | anyone know where I can get a repo for php newer than 5.2.3? |
| 21:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
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| 21:45.55 | dserban | What's the moethod for restarting alsa? I have a feeling something's locked up with either the driver or some sound daemon, but I can't find the pid :s. It could be a kde thing as I'm running gnome and it seems that twinkle and amarok both hate alsa right now, but system sounds come through ok via gnome it seems. So.. what do I look for? |
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| 21:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | "hate alsa"? |
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| 21:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft - now he lelft; was just going to write/paste the answer |
| 21:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban: most common problem is, that on many newer chipsets, only one sound application can use the sound device at a time |
| 21:48.24 | doc|work | anyone? |
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| 21:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban: for all following applications it will be blocked... solution to that is dmix |
| 21:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmix |
| 21:48.38 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 21:49.30 | embkas | my son wants to document for his friend how much ram he has got on his laptop, I have forgotten the command, please tell me.. |
| 21:49.48 | kunsi | free? |
| 21:49.59 | Rat409 | free -m? |
| 21:50.02 | kunsi | (this was a command name) |
| 21:50.11 | soleone | i can't find out how to start wordtrans-qt after installing, it hasn't been added to the applications-menu |
| 21:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | doc|work: sid? |
| 21:50.36 | Free-Thinker | brr |
| 21:50.41 | embkas | thanks |
| 21:51.01 | simonrvn | Nyle: you around? |
| 21:51.28 | doc|work | CutMeOwnThroat: I've tried using apt pinning to testing even but it's not pulling up anything newer |
| 21:51.41 | doc|work | that 5.2.3 that is |
| 21:51.43 | doc|work | *than |
| 21:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | doc|work: Package: php5-common Version: 5.2.5-2 |
| 21:52.05 | doc|work | aw, sweet, will try that |
| 21:52.07 | embkas | exit |
| 21:52.12 | soleone | i can't find out how to start wordtrans-qt after installing, it hasn't been added to the applications-menu |
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| 21:52.31 | abrotman | soleone: please ask #ubuntu |
| 21:52.41 | soleone | ah k thanks |
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| 21:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | kunsi: hehe :) |
| 21:52.59 | beny_e | *g* |
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| 21:55.31 | octox2 | does mdadm come installed by default? |
| 21:56.32 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:57.05 | simonrvn | it's in optional, however the installer might select it if you have some s/w raid there, but unsure of that |
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| 21:58.47 | simonrvn | mdadm is the package name ;) |
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| 21:59.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I'm running Debian on AMD64. I'm having trouble running a 32-bit app: |
| 21:59.18 | octox2 | its not in the standard source? |
| 21:59.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | ./mandvd: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:59.42 | simonrvn | octox2: of course it is |
| 21:59.45 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: You may need a 32-bit chroot. libqt-mt might possibly be in ia32libs, but I highly doubt it. |
| 21:59.54 | octox2 | hmmmmm |
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| 21:59.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: It's not, I already got that installed |
| 22:00.05 | chops | octox2: Can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:00.13 | octox2 | one sec |
| 22:00.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Would it be possible to download a 32-bit version of the library and just dump it into /usr/lib32? |
| 22:00.41 | dkr | octox2: apt-cache policy mdadm |
| 22:00.46 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: You could try it; a 32-bit chroot will be more of a PITA but more maintainable |
| 22:00.57 | dkr | shows it in etch/main for me |
| 22:01.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | I only need the app for a short while, chops |
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| 22:01.18 | wad | Hi, folks. Do any of you guys 1) use Thunderbird for email, 2) use GPG keys, 3) sign your email messages ?? I'm trying to figure out how to teach thunderbird how to use my GPG key to sign email messages. Is wants a certificate, do I create one out of my private key? |
| 22:01.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: My mother wants me to burn some videos on a DVD with a nice menu etc... and ManDVD is perfect for that, if I recall correctly. |
| 22:01.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm not gonna need it after that |
| 22:01.43 | enouf | for the moms? |
| 22:02.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Some videos of hers... |
| 22:02.22 | Suprano | which burning program can take an alternate boot image source for an cd? like you have one iso containing the boot info and one iso with the data? |
| 22:02.35 | wad | Dark_Apostrophe, I gave up and just use Windows with that (software: AVS). Non-free, but works, and is easy to use. |
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| 22:02.53 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Hm... is there a reason that just compiling it 64-bit doesn't work? |
| 22:03.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | wad: Too much effort for a single DVD. |
| 22:03.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: It comes as a binary |
| 22:03.07 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: (Forgive my ignorance if there's some obvious reason :-) |
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| 22:03.31 | octo__ | chops, http://paste.uni.cc/18321 |
| 22:03.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: The original author took down the old homepage, I had to look around to find a binary |
| 22:04.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Can I dcc it to you, see if you can get it to work? |
| 22:04.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | If you're on AMD64. that is |
| 22:04.24 | chops | octo__: That's very odd. Can you pastebin the output of 'aptitude update; apt-cache policy mdadm'? |
| 22:04.42 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: debian had dvdauthor .. |
| 22:04.46 | enouf | has |
| 22:05.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | IIRC it's a complex program... I'm too tired for that at the moment... :P |
| 22:05.14 | octo__ | dkr, ok cool,it shows it in main packages but not installed |
| 22:05.25 | chops | octo__: Install it? :-) |
| 22:05.42 | octo__ | well, i mean i havent seen it in synaptic yet |
| 22:05.42 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: http://freshmeat.net/redir/mandvd/66035/url_tgz/mandvd-2.4.tar.gz |
| 22:05.48 | octo__ | let me look again |
| 22:05.49 | tuv | how do i confirm dma status for a sata disk? |
| 22:06.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: That's the package I have |
| 22:06.10 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: And that's binary? Not source? |
| 22:06.11 | enouf | dmesg and hdparm |
| 22:06.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | It only contains the binary and an icon |
| 22:06.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Unless the binary is some weird form of scripting language that appears as a binary |
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| 22:06.49 | tuv | enouf, hdparm says nothing about dma on a sata disk! |
| 22:06.52 | octo__ | octo slaps himself while checking the box next to mdadm |
| 22:06.53 | enouf | tuv: dmesg and hdparm - dma is always enabled on sata |
| 22:06.59 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Right you are... |
| 22:07.05 | enouf | tuv: yes it does |
| 22:07.26 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: The license is GPL |
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| 22:07.52 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: You maybe should have a chat with the people who are providing the binary, ask them to provide the source since they're legally obligated |
| 22:07.54 | enouf | what you really want to know about it NCQ anyway |
| 22:07.55 | tuv | enouf, sudo hdparm -d /dev/sda -> /dev/sda: |
| 22:08.00 | tuv | enouf, that's the only output |
| 22:08.12 | enouf | tuv: -i |
| 22:08.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Whoever it is, the website no longer exists |
| 22:08.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: So presumably, it's discontinued |
| 22:08.39 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: The link I sent you works. Those people should not be providing the binary without the license and the source alongside. |
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| 22:09.01 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: The author taking down the website is fine, but people mirroring the binary without the source is very bad (for exactly this reason) |
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| 22:09.48 | tuv | enouf, there are no * next to any dma or udma mode listed |
| 22:10.03 | enouf | ouch |
| 22:10.09 | octo__ | haha sweet, I had another drive that had raid on it and during install mdadm found it and it already shows up in /proc/mdstat lol, nice |
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| 22:10.19 | enouf | mdma? |
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| 22:10.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Better than not mirroring at all, I suppose. |
| 22:10.34 | tuv | enouf, nope |
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| 22:10.44 | enouf | tuv: yikes |
| 22:11.03 | Arelis__ | enouf: you still there? |
| 22:11.13 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Less legal, certainly... |
| 22:11.18 | Arelis__ | enouf: I'm back. Will you still help me with my videocard/resolution issue? |
| 22:11.20 | enouf | tuv: pastebin entire dmesg - what about any controller cards? raid? |
| 22:12.02 | octo__ | if i install kde packages, will an option to login to kde show up on the spash screen, or do i have to change the default gui in a file somewhere? |
| 22:12.07 | enouf | Arelis__: if you can ever answer my question about ubuntu working or not, i guess then i can try |
| 22:12.24 | Rat409 | lol |
| 22:12.27 | Arelis__ | enouf: Yes, i had ubuntu on my pc before i put debian on it, and it all worked fine. |
| 22:12.51 | enouf | Arelis__: recall the specific kernel version? |
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| 22:13.04 | Arelis__ | enouf: 2.6.22 |
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| 22:13.45 | Arelis__ | and this one: |
| 22:13.46 | Arelis__ | robin@robin-desktop:~$ uname -a |
| 22:13.46 | Arelis__ | Linux robin-desktop 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Fri Jun 1 00:07:22 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:13.50 | enouf | Arelis__: ok, i'd compare the kernel configs, but only egrep 'CONSOLE|FB|FRAME' /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 22:13.53 | Arelis__ | I haven't dist-upgraded yet since first install |
| 22:14.20 | Arelis__ | enouf: The problem lies in Xorg. not in the console/framebuffer. |
| 22:14.25 | enouf | well if it's imperative you stay on Etch? |
| 22:14.44 | tuv | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/905606 |
| 22:14.56 | enouf | Arelis__: i know, that's what you think ,, and you're welcome to follow up on that - and yes, i may be wrong |
| 22:15.36 | tuv | enouf, 1 partition for root, and one linux software (mdadm) raid-0 |
| 22:15.59 | Arelis__ | enouf: I think that because i haven't enabled framebuffer yet and the console looks normal. Only Xorg looks weird. But i may be wrong. |
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| 22:16.31 | Rat409 | anyone know if the etch net-install.iso will ever have a working forcedeth module or a workaround; even after modprone it still didn't recognize it??,tried a few iso's |
| 22:16.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | chops: Sticking the file in /usr/lib32 worked :D |
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| 22:16.58 | Rat409 | modprobe sorry |
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| 22:17.37 | chops | Dark_Apostrophe: Nice |
| 22:17.52 | karrotx__ | how can you see what process is using a file? |
| 22:17.53 | abrotman | Rat409: the etch netinst isn't likely to change in a major way .. maybe with etch+1/2 .. but that remains to be seen |
| 22:18.37 | Arelis__ | enouf: You may be right, these are my first steps into debian and i know nothing of it. But what would the kernel have to do with Xorg? |
| 22:18.53 | Arelis__ | enouf: Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSuse all detected it correctly. |
| 22:19.00 | Rat409 | abrotman: tried 4.0r2 and testing net-install also.had to workaround post-install w/just a base.ok thanks.appreciate the info |
| 22:19.02 | deitarion | Is there a debian tool which makes it simple to build a package for a given stable or unstable system from the current unstable or testing sources with effort reasonably comparable to Gentoo Portage? |
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| 22:19.22 | abrotman | !tell deitarion about simple sid backport |
| 22:19.23 | chops | !tell deitarion about sources |
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| 22:20.18 | Rat409 | apt-build? |
| 22:20.42 | Rat409 | karrotx__: top or ps aux |
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| 22:21.26 | abrotman | karrotx__: fuser or lsof |
| 22:21.39 | karrotx__ | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:21.41 | abrotman | Rat409: how the heck would top or ps help ? |
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| 22:22.22 | deitarion | Thanks. Now I just have to decide whether I hate compile waits or locking package managers more. (I'm VERY used to being able to do an install and some repository browsing at the same time) |
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| 22:22.31 | Rat409 | process if you know what apps use what files,but i stand corrected.sorry,fighting a bug and braindead it seems |
| 22:22.41 | abrotman | deitarion: huh ? |
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| 22:23.04 | tuv | deitarion, you can browse and install with aptitude |
| 22:23.10 | chops | deitarion: With dselect, you could browse the repo while something was installing. I'm not sure how it is with the more modern tools, but I can't imagine it'd be all that different (and if it isn't it's probably a bug). |
| 22:23.34 | chops | deitarion: Is that really all that common a use case for you, also? So much so that it makes or breaks your distro selection? :-) |
| 22:23.45 | enouf | Arelis__: the way certain kernel modules mishave (see /Documentation/fb/*) when paired with others - though usually that's if mixed with proprietary drivers |
| 22:23.55 | chairmeleon | anyone got any ideas on why automounting of local ext3 partitions does not work for me? Both GNOME and KDE tells me I have insufficient rights, but I'm in every disk-related group |
| 22:24.14 | enouf | tuv: looks ok to me at 1st glance.. but i'm still looking, what's the issue exactly? |
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| 22:24.32 | Anthro | I have an LVM partition that has an ext3 filesystem on it. The output from df -h is confusing me, though: size is 55G, used is 46G, available is 6.2G. I expect used plus available to equal sized, but it's off by nearly 3G. Any thoughts? Could it have to do with sparse files (I know there are a bunch on the filesystem)? |
| 22:24.35 | tuv | enouf, nothing. just no mention of any dma mode in hdparm -i output |
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| 22:24.38 | deitarion | chops: I do it all the time... it drives me nuts when I'm helping people on Ubuntu because Adept, Synaptic, and apt-get install can't be run at the same time. (eg. adept for browsing, apt-get install for installing) |
| 22:24.50 | chops | Anthro: Some space is reserved for root and not reported under "available" |
| 22:25.08 | Anthro | chops: Near 3G? That seems... excessive. |
| 22:25.17 | chops | Anthro: You can adjust the amount with tune2fs |
| 22:25.31 | enouf | tuv: checkout linux-ata.org .. i see 3.0Gbps links up and NCQ aware and AHCI, so looks ok to me, unless your BIOS native mode is playing a part |
| 22:25.33 | Anthro | chops: checking man... |
| 22:25.41 | deitarion | Anthro: I believe the default is calculated as a percentage of the total drive space. |
| 22:26.03 | chops | Anthro: The 5% amount is designed to reduce fragmentation under near-full conditions, though, too -- it's not just to protect yourself from filling up the disk and preventing root from logging in (and similar conundrums) |
| 22:26.33 | Anthro | deitarion: Ah, okay. 5% of 55G is 2.75G, which is about right. |
| 22:26.37 | dondelelcaro | you can always reduce the number of spare blocks at mkfs time. |
| 22:26.40 | chops | Anthro: So I wouldn't just unhesitatingly reduce it... |
| 22:26.57 | enouf | tuv: lines 373-380 |
| 22:27.09 | Anthro | chops: But I should be able to reduce it somewhat. I mean, surely 1G is enough leeway. |
| 22:27.19 | chops | deitarion: That sounds like a bug. There's no reason to prevent read-only browsing of the repository while operations are going on. |
| 22:27.21 | dondelelcaro | Anthro: yes, you can; just use tune2fs if it's ext2. |
| 22:27.39 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: Already suggested, and I'm reading the man page now. |
| 22:27.43 | dkr | I change my est3 reserve to 0% I'm such a risk-taking rebel |
| 22:27.48 | dkr | ext3 |
| 22:27.49 | chops | Anthro: "Surely"... :-) As I say, there are fragmentation implications, and there may be other reasons that I'm not aware of |
| 22:27.50 | dondelelcaro | chops: you can browse the repository; you just can't have two things with locks open, and if adept has the lock, apt-get can't get it. |
| 22:28.11 | Anthro | chops: Hm. Okay, well, I'll risk it. |
| 22:28.14 | FiendishFish | What's a good program for handling photos? |
| 22:28.33 | abrotman | FiendishFish: to do what with them? |
| 22:28.39 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: Is there any risk to running tune2fs on a currently mounted filesystem? |
| 22:28.40 | FiendishFish | View them in a tile view etc. |
| 22:28.56 | tuv | enouf, i thought those look good too. but then there are lines 414,415 |
| 22:29.23 | dondelelcaro | Anthro: it shouldn't matter, but I would avoid it. |
| 22:29.24 | deitarion | chops: I'll have to check that then. Maybe they fixed it since Feisty. Of course, I'll still probably stick with Debian for my chroots. I have no need for Ubuntu's hand-holding and bling. |
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| 22:29.34 | FiendishFish | abrotman, for viewing photos in a tile view, tagging them etc. |
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| 22:31.25 | abrotman | FiendishFish: some people like f-spot .. or a GUI file manager .. not sure how many features you want |
| 22:31.27 | enouf | TheOnly: those are unused ata and scsi channels, note ata7 and 8 |
| 22:31.34 | enouf | er tuv |
| 22:31.44 | enouf | my bad tab TheOnly , ignore |
| 22:31.59 | TheOnly | no prob |
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| 22:32.13 | Petfrogg | hello! |
| 22:32.27 | tuv | enouf, oh.. ok |
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| 22:33.11 | Petfrogg | i am trying to forward X from one machine to another. The thing is that while xterm is complaining but DISPLAY not set aterm just starts but does not show up anywhere.... |
| 22:33.23 | Petfrogg | how do i see what packs are installed on one machine to compare it to another |
| 22:34.41 | karsten | Petfrogg: dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:34.55 | karsten | Petfrogg: Um, define "packs". |
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| 22:35.30 | Petfrogg | i just want to see what .deb are installed cause anothermachine with the same setup is working |
| 22:35.42 | Petfrogg | and the sshd_config and the ssh_config are identical |
| 22:35.46 | karsten | Petfrogg: For X forwarding, you must be running X locally, sshing as a user w/ access to the local X display, using the '-X' client option, and enabling forwarding on the remote server. |
| 22:35.46 | tuv | Petfrogg, dpkg -l |
| 22:35.54 | Petfrogg | doing that |
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| 22:36.21 | deepfrze | does anyone have a recommendation for blogging software. I have tried b2evolution and ELOG but wonder what else is available.? |
| 22:36.44 | karsten | Petfrogg: Run ssh w/ verbose mode to troubleshoot. '-v', more v's == more verbosity. |
| 22:36.51 | karsten | !tell deepfrze about search |
| 22:37.01 | Suprano | god i am going crazy with this |
| 22:37.13 | Suprano | wd=/var/www genisoimage -o ./winxpsp2.iso -no-emul-boot -b ../xp_boot.img /var/www/winxp_image/* |
| 22:37.14 | karsten | deepfrze: bloxsom, drupal, scoop, slash, among others. |
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| 22:37.18 | Suprano | Uh oh, I cant find the boot image '../xp_boot.img' ! |
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| 22:37.37 | karsten | Suprano: FEATURE! |
| 22:37.43 | Suprano | :( |
| 22:37.57 | deepfrze | karsten: do you have a favorite? |
| 22:38.06 | enouf | Suprano: you need to place the image in top dir |
| 22:38.08 | karsten | deepfrze: vim + apache. |
| 22:38.19 | Petfrogg | karsten: gonna try no |
| 22:38.20 | enouf | read the syslinux docs |
| 22:38.26 | Suprano | of winxp_image ? |
| 22:38.35 | enouf | and feed it a syslinux/boot.img path |
| 22:38.49 | enouf | i don;t know about xpoop |
| 22:38.56 | karsten | deepfrze: You're better off starting w/ your requirements / desires. There are a *ton* of CMS systems, from generic ones to blogging engines to wiki management, to whatever. |
| 22:38.57 | enouf | man genisoimage |
| 22:39.11 | Suprano | mv xp_boot.img winxp_image/ <- that did it |
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| 22:39.41 | deepfrze | karsten: thanks for the search tip. I have done but end up a million references to peoples blogs. |
| 22:39.43 | enouf | right |
| 22:40.19 | karsten | deepfrze: If you want Debian packages: aptitude search or http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 22:40.42 | mcgrof | I see unstable is now on 2.6.24, when trying to boot on a remote node I only have serial access to I'm not seing anything come up right after the grub offload to the kernel. Anyone know of any issues or major changes which I should be aware of? |
| 22:40.48 | vin | could anybody recommend an easy-to-use package for backing up a home system? |
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| 22:40.56 | karsten | deepfrze: For a more useful search, maybe: http://www.google.com/search?q=blog+engine+software or http://www.google.com/search?q=blog+engine+software+linux |
| 22:41.04 | karsten | vin: rsync, amanda, tar |
| 22:41.25 | vin | thanks |
| 22:41.40 | karsten | mcgrof: You have to redirect output to serial in your grub menu.lst. |
| 22:41.51 | mcgrof | karsten: I do |
| 22:42.00 | tuv | vin, rdiff-backup |
| 22:42.05 | tuv | vin, rsync |
| 22:42.11 | deepfrze | karsten: thanks, I searched CMS just now and have found an interesting site. http://www.opensourcecms.com/ |
| 22:42.29 | karsten | mcgrof: as a kernel option. |
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| 22:42.46 | karsten | mcgrof: "console=/dev/ttyS1" or something like that. Don't quote me, I'm fuzzy on it. |
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| 22:42.54 | karsten | mcgrof: Pastebin your menu.lst |
| 22:43.07 | mcgrof | karsten: 2.6.22 works for serial output, for example. Oh yeah, I'm aware of that config option and i do use it. |
| 22:43.14 | pumpkin0 | little problem with flash-nonfree in etch:; youtube does not work in opera. Any ideas ? |
| 22:43.16 | mcgrof | karsten: will do |
| 22:43.26 | Petfrogg | karsten: i think i found what you where talking about by using -v "http://www.jailtime.org/" |
| 22:43.29 | Petfrogg | sorry |
| 22:43.32 | Petfrogg | wrong paste |
| 22:43.35 | Petfrogg | Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing |
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| 22:44.32 | karsten | deepfrze: Defining your requirements is probably a better start. I'd go with: features, customizability, scalability, backup, and tech preferences. Eg: Bloxsom is really good for personal blogging as a sysadmin or core of a DIY system, but might not be appropriate for a large user base. Drupal is pretty slick but is written in PHP which has a long host of security baggage. I'm fond of Scoop, in part as a (sometime) contributer. |
| 22:45.18 | karsten | deepfrze: The list I initially gave you is probably a pretty good start point. All are major and full-featured. |
| 22:45.48 | karsten | deepfrze: ... and if it's for a small personal site, the specifics probably don't particularly matter -- try a few of the majors and see which fits your style best. |
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| 22:46.15 | deepfrze | karsten: great, that's just the info I was looking for. Thanks again. I'll check these out. |
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| 22:49.27 | mcgrof | karsten: http://pastebin.ca/905637 |
| 22:50.01 | mcgrof | karsten: so for example kernel 2.6.22-3-686 works just fine |
| 22:50.06 | karsten | mcgrof: That looks sane. You're booting default? |
| 22:50.25 | karsten | mcgrof: ...sorry, which of these works / doesn't work (boot stanzas)? |
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| 22:51.33 | mcgrof | I think the kernel is having issues actually. The one that doesn't work is 2.6.24. I originally thought perhaps debian embraced the whole ATA -> new ATA stuff which makes your hda sda (note: note SATA) |
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| 22:52.26 | enouf | mcgrof: though vanilla related http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_24 is always a nice overview - but view the debian changelogs and search the BTS |
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| 22:52.37 | mcgrof | the reason I believe the kernel is having issues is the ethernet interface is not coming up, not only do I not have serial access but also network access to the box |
| 22:53.31 | enouf | oh .. not the mac80211 stuffs :-/ |
| 22:53.48 | karsten | mcgrof: Might want to add a panic and default option. Crashing kernels on remote, serial-only access is a bit of a PITA to deal with. |
| 22:54.19 | mcgrof | enouf: for mac80211 stuff you can review linuxwireless.org though ;) |
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| 22:55.57 | DarienMB | so... can anyone think of how I could move (for example) /etc-old to /etc when I have no /etc ? |
| 22:56.42 | enouf | yeah |
| 22:56.46 | karsten | DarienMB: mkdir /etc; mv /etc-old/* /etc |
| 22:56.51 | DarienMB | karsten: I'm not root |
| 22:56.58 | DarienMB | so I can't mkdir /etc |
| 22:57.10 | enouf | and the iplwifi stuffs |
| 22:57.16 | karsten | DarienMB: grep '^/ ' /proc/mounts |
| 22:57.28 | karsten | DarienMB: Is your root filesystem mounted read-only? Can't do that as root? |
| 22:57.44 | DarienMB | karsten: I'm not root, and I have no /etc/passwd or /etc/sudoers (because I have no /etc) |
| 22:58.01 | DarienMB | so I can't mkdir /etc |
| 22:58.03 | DarienMB | or mv |
| 22:58.05 | enouf | boot a livecd |
| 22:58.13 | DarienMB | sever's 3000mi away |
| 22:58.16 | karsten | DarienMB: if rootfs is ro, you've likely had fileystem issues. Default mount option is 'errors=remount,ro' for root fs. |
| 22:58.16 | karrotx__ | anyone here use mail foundry? |
| 22:58.28 | DarienMB | karsten: no, it's not read-only |
| 22:58.31 | DarienMB | I'm not root |
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| 22:58.32 | karsten | DarienMB: Um. If you're root you can create files. |
| 22:58.35 | DarienMB | I am not logged in as root |
| 22:58.37 | karsten | DarienMB: You're fucked. |
| 22:58.38 | dondelelcaro | DarienMB: if you're not root, and can't become root, then you're jacked. |
| 22:58.38 | enouf | boot a remote livecd :-O |
| 22:58.42 | x_link | Hi enouf |
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| 22:58.44 | DarienMB | dondelelcaro: yeah, seems so |
| 22:58.48 | x_link | enouf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awm9nE8bJtI is that you? =) |
| 22:58.49 | karsten | DarienMB: Sorry. You'll need remote hands. |
| 22:58.50 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/m4e118824 any id whats causing this error ? |
| 22:58.51 | DarienMB | yeah |
| 22:58.55 | dondelelcaro | DarienMB: boot using the serial console that you *should* have if this is a remote server, and go from there. |
| 22:59.01 | enouf | x_link: hi |
| 22:59.06 | DarienMB | and to think, I just patched that vmslice exploit three days ago |
| 22:59.07 | enouf | what? |
| 22:59.21 | enouf | i never put anything on youn00b |
| 22:59.26 | DarienMB | dondelelcaro: the server's too old for remote console, and the owner is too cheap/poor/etc. to get a new one |
| 22:59.32 | DarienMB | though honestly at this point, I'm pretty keen on the idea |
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| 22:59.34 | dondelelcaro | DarienMB: it's never too old, actually. |
| 22:59.45 | DarienMB | sorry, I was thinking management console |
| 22:59.57 | dondelelcaro | DarienMB: you don't need a management console; just a serial console |
| 22:59.58 | DarienMB | it's not too old, but we have nothing else to plug the serial cable into |
| 23:00.00 | karsten | DarienMB: *any* server has a serial port and can support a serial boot console. |
| 23:00.15 | DarienMB | this isn't a production-level server, so we've just never bothered |
| 23:00.21 | karsten | DarienMB: This could be much, much worse. |
| 23:00.24 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 23:00.26 | karsten | DarienMB: ... could be our problem. |
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| 23:00.32 | DarienMB | karsten: or it could be a production server |
| 23:00.39 | DarienMB | thankfully, the webserver is still up and serving pages |
| 23:00.54 | x_link | enouf: That video is cool =) |
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| 23:01.07 | DarienMB | and since there's no /etc, nothing's going to restart it (e.g. logrotate), so it's not going to die |
| 23:01.22 | enouf | x_link: hah |
| 23:01.24 | karsten | DarienMB: Heh. |
| 23:01.55 | karsten | DarienMB: How'd you nuke /etc in the first place? |
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| 23:02.43 | DarienMB | karsten: I was putting it into an svn repo, and tested checking it out into /tmp... which went fine... then I rm -rf'ed the dir I checked out... |
| 23:02.46 | DarienMB | except into the wrong terminal window |
| 23:02.49 | DarienMB | POW |
| 23:04.23 | dondelelcaro | DarienMB: that's one of the reasons why I have all of my machines prompts color coded |
| 23:04.37 | dondelelcaro | (locals are always the same color, remotes choose different ones based on the hostname) |
| 23:05.56 | dondelelcaro | http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/base/.bashrc FE. |
| 23:06.02 | karsten | DarienMB: ayup. |
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| 23:06.16 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I just have hostname in my shell prompt. |
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| 23:06.53 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, the hostname is colored in mine |
| 23:07.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: How many? |
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| 23:08.14 | chemist | how do i mount a samba share at boot time? |
| 23:08.28 | karsten | chemist: /etc/fstab |
| 23:08.59 | karsten | chemist: http://www.google.com/search?q=mount+samba+share+at+boot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Samba |
| 23:09.06 | k-man_ | i just installed lenny, but for some reason gnome-terminal segfaults |
| 23:09.08 | karsten | chemist: GIYGF |
| 23:09.17 | dondelelcaro | karsten: not that many, but so many that I can't keep them straight (and I'm dealing with multiple ones at the same time) |
| 23:09.26 | karsten | k-man_: strace it. |
| 23:09.34 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yeah. |
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| 23:09.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I generally do stuff scripted. for host in $( list command ); do <foo>; done |
| 23:10.12 | karsten | Where foo is usually some variant of ssh remotehost <runscript> |
| 23:10.17 | karsten | ... and output is generally logged. |
| 23:10.20 | dondelelcaro | karsten: ah; yeah, these aren't uniformly set up enough for me to do that; they all do totally different things |
| 23:10.44 | karsten | They're mostly the same. |
| 23:10.59 | karsten | Mind: it's one standardly f*'ed up setup, but it's standard. |
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| 23:11.06 | simonrvn | hopefully this kenel isn't buggy... |
| 23:11.11 | simonrvn | kernel* |
| 23:11.29 | karsten | simonrvn: Fleabomb it! |
| 23:11.50 | karsten | simonrvn: I hear the new Linux kenel just won best in show! |
| 23:11.52 | simonrvn | i'll find out soon enough ;) |
| 23:12.12 | simonrvn | was it a beagle? :P |
| 23:12.27 | twiggz | a beagle just won the westminster the other day. |
| 23:12.28 | karsten | I think it's a vast AAPL conspiracy. |
| 23:12.31 | twiggz | his name was Uno. |
| 23:12.35 | karsten | Figures Beagle would get the Spotlight |
| 23:13.02 | simonrvn | i think so yes |
| 23:13.28 | simonrvn | /usr was bugging out too, so fscked that... |
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| 23:15.37 | simonrvn | so, did i miss anything? :P |
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| 23:19.38 | xlotlu | anything out there like xmove that works? |
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| 23:19.51 | dondelelcaro | xmove actually works |
| 23:19.59 | dondelelcaro | but only if you're using TCP, not sockets. |
| 23:20.12 | karsten | xlotlu: xmove works. Sorta |
| 23:20.37 | karsten | xlotlu: It fires up a virtual X server, which you can then move between real servers. |
| 23:20.45 | xlotlu | karsten: i'm getting this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442125 |
| 23:20.55 | karsten | xlotlu: The problem is that it doesn't implement a whole lot of modern X extensions ... |
| 23:21.06 | karsten | xlotlu: ... for values of modern meaning > 1990. |
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| 23:21.38 | dondelelcaro | huh. I haven't tried xmove recently, so that's probably a new bug |
| 23:21.57 | karsten | xlotlu: It's pretty crufty, I'll grant you that. Your best bet is probably to run something like VNC if you want to access specific apps from multiple locations. |
| 23:22.00 | xlotlu | it's for quite a while |
| 23:22.17 | karsten | xlotlu: xmove doesn't work particularly _well_, mind you ;-) |
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| 23:22.42 | nitroxide | hello |
| 23:22.43 | xlotlu | karsten: not well is *way* better than not at all :) |
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| 23:23.16 | nitroxide | i'm searching howto not install all xorg drivers but only the one i need: intel - it actually wants to install everything |
| 23:23.24 | nitroxide | any ideas ? |
| 23:23.45 | karsten | xlotlu: I didn't find it reliable. Stuff would pretty reliably up and die. |
| 23:24.07 | Trollinator | nitroxide: what on earth do you need a howto for? |
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| 23:24.24 | simonrvn | !dbugs 442125 |
| 23:24.27 | dpkg | #442125:G[xmove] xmove assert: SaveVisuals() couldn't find the default visual; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:54:02 UTC |
| 23:24.29 | nitroxide | Trollinator: install xorg |
| 23:24.39 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 23:24.40 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: you may have luck with lbxproxy |
| 23:24.44 | Trollinator | nitroxide: what's wrong with aptitude install xorg? |
| 23:25.07 | nitroxide | Trollinator: i do not need all xorg drivers and it wants to install everything |
| 23:25.20 | Trollinator | remove the unneeded drivers then. |
| 23:25.21 | nitroxide | Trollinator: but i use apt-get, maybe aptitude is different |
| 23:25.21 | \amethyst | Trollinator: it pulls in xserver-xorg-video-all by default |
| 23:25.26 | simonrvn | hmm, play a game or tweak my current project? |
| 23:25.36 | \amethyst | nitroxide: try apt-get install xorg xserver-xorg-video-i810 (or whichever driver) |
| 23:25.45 | Trollinator | \amethyst: that's a metapackage |
| 23:25.53 | nitroxide | \amethyst: 'k i will try right now |
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| 23:26.01 | \amethyst | Trollinator: yes, but it doesn't depend on all the drivers |
| 23:26.03 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: that doesn't solve my problem: my desktop-running apps will die when i take the laptop out |
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| 23:26.12 | nitroxide | Trollinator: even if i try to install only the intel one, it wants to install all the others |
| 23:26.32 | \amethyst | Trollinator: however, it depends on xserver-xorg, which depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 23:26.37 | xlotlu | i wonder if an xmove-like feature could be obtained with virtualgl |
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| 23:27.10 | nitroxide | \amethyst: doesn't work, it try to install everything |
| 23:27.23 | nitroxide | that suxx coz i already success here and i don't remember how |
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| 23:27.43 | \amethyst | nitroxide: try aptitude install xorg xserver-xorg-video-i810 xserver-xorg-video-all- (note the minus sign at the end) |
| 23:27.45 | mot | what package in debian should i install to get mysql working with php5 under apache? |
| 23:27.50 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: in theory it should try to reoconnect if you're using -reconnect |
| 23:27.55 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: but I haven't used it either. |
| 23:27.57 | Trollinator | ah, whatever... I actually have x.org running only with the minimal drivers needed |
| 23:27.58 | Petfrogg | karsten: ok...i have now digged deeper inside this stuff and seems to me like the .Xauthority file is missing on the new machine... where does that come from? |
| 23:28.03 | Trollinator | but i have no idea how i did that |
| 23:28.17 | Trollinator | this box has been running for some time :o) |
| 23:28.20 | \amethyst | mot: php5-mysql maybe |
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| 23:28.29 | nitroxide | k |
| 23:28.40 | Azrael__ | hi |
| 23:28.50 | Trollinator | MySQL sucks |
| 23:28.51 | Azrael__ | how can i set debootstrap to install a 64bit-system? |
| 23:28.51 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: hmm, i missed that. thanks for the pointer |
| 23:29.09 | \amethyst | Trollinator: not quite as much as it used to :) |
| 23:29.28 | nitroxide | same behavior |
| 23:29.38 | Trollinator | \amethyst: it's still broken. |
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| 23:30.05 | nitroxide | i will do what trollinator said, install all and remove uneeded |
| 23:30.11 | \amethyst | Trollinator: yes, but at least it has backends that support transactions these days :) |
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| 23:30.43 | Trollinator | well yes, but just take a look at PostgreSQL |
| 23:30.49 | xlotlu | um, lbxproxy seems gone since sarge |
| 23:31.00 | \amethyst | Trollinator: I use postgresql whenever I have a choice |
| 23:31.16 | \amethyst | Trollinator: but I don't always have that choice |
| 23:31.16 | Trollinator | and it's still broken, for example it sometimes ignores RESTRICT statements. |
| 23:31.22 | Trollinator | unfortunately |
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| 23:31.31 | chairmeleon | do I need any packages other than hal and the standard gnome suit in order to automount local (ext3) partitions? |
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| 23:31.47 | chairmeleon | *suite |
| 23:31.52 | \amethyst | chairmeleon: maybe gnome-mount ? |
| 23:32.02 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: it is missing "move" support, though. |
| 23:32.12 | chairmeleon | \amethyst: that one's installed as well |
| 23:32.18 | Trollinator | but now, MySQL is there and it's hard to replace, because all those shitty PHP applications don't use a DBMS abstraction layer :( |
| 23:32.19 | \amethyst | chairmeleon: and gnome-volume-manager ? |
| 23:32.25 | chairmeleon | still won't work, complaining about insufficient rights/priveliges |
| 23:32.27 | chairmeleon | yup |
| 23:32.38 | chairmeleon | automounting of external fat32 hdd works fine |
| 23:32.45 | chairmeleon | local ext3's doesn't |
| 23:32.54 | \amethyst | oh, hm |
| 23:32.55 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: i won't really need move support. i think. if it works it's great, i can offload some apps from the lappie to the "desktop" |
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| 23:33.17 | \amethyst | chairmeleon: you might have to edit your hal policies, but I don't know the details |
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| 23:35.03 | Schiz0|2 | Hey. I'm trying to get my wifi network adapter working on my laptop. I found some drivers for the card and created a debian package out of them and installed it. "iwlist wlan0 scan" DOES detect my network. I am NOT using any type of security on the network |
| 23:35.07 | Schiz0|2 | (for now) |
| 23:35.18 | Schiz0|2 | but in the gnome network manager, nothing comes up |
| 23:35.26 | Schiz0|2 | it says "no network devices found" |
| 23:35.31 | Schiz0|2 | but wlan0 does exist |
| 23:35.41 | azeem | Schiz0|2: do you have wlan0 configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:35.47 | azeem | Schiz0|2: what kind of device is it? |
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| 23:36.01 | Petfrogg | karsten: thanx! i solved it! |
| 23:36.44 | Schiz0|2 | azeem: I didn't touch /etc/network/interface yet...I figured the gnome network manager will let me test it to see if I connect before editing anything permanantly. It's a RealTek RTL-8185 |
| 23:37.19 | azeem | maybe it is not supported by n-m, that happens |
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| 23:37.53 | chairmeleon | \amethyst: alright, I tried to avoid that since I'm not very familiar/comfortable with those pocily files..and automounting has worked flawlessly on at least 10 other distros, including other debian derivates |
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| 23:38.20 | \amethyst | chairmeleon: you might look at how their /etc/hal/ stuff differs from debian's |
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| 23:38.27 | Schiz0|2 | azeem: Oh alright. I thought I somehow had n-m disabled or somethign. I'll just test it from /etc/network/interfaces, thanks |
| 23:38.38 | chairmeleon | \amethyst: clever idea :D thx |
| 23:38.54 | azeem | Schiz0|2: well, you need right-click on the icon and possibly enable the wireless interfaces |
| 23:39.01 | \amethyst | chairmeleon: also #gnome might be able to help, don't know |
| 23:39.16 | Schiz0|2 | azeem: It is enabled on there |
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| 23:39.41 | dcsimon | is there a reason I can't successfully boot a kernel when an external hard drive is plugged in during boot? |
| 23:39.55 | dcsimon | (obvioulsy there must be a reason) |
| 23:40.05 | chairmeleon | \amethyst: Just found out it isn't DE specific, happens in KDE aswell. so I think you hit it right on when you mentioned hal policies |
| 23:40.07 | abrotman | dcsimon: sata drives? |
| 23:40.17 | dcsimon | abrotman: of course |
| 23:40.23 | dcsimon | ;-) |
| 23:40.32 | abrotman | perhaps they're being reordered |
| 23:40.56 | \amethyst | chairmeleon: some freedesktop.org channel maybe |
| 23:41.01 | dcsimon | abrotman: that is exactly what I am thinking, I've setup fstab to use uuid but still... no dice |
| 23:41.07 | \amethyst | chairmeleon: I don't know of any, though |
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| 23:44.20 | dcsimon | i get dumped into a shell after some error messages about not finding init scripts |
| 23:44.25 | Google1 | What's the name of Debian 3.0? Is it etch? |
| 23:44.42 | cloakable | Nope |
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| 23:44.46 | streuner | !woody |
| 23:44.46 | dpkg | methinks woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 23:44.47 | cloakable | etch is 4.0 |
| 23:44.59 | Google1 | and lenny is 5.0? |
| 23:45.08 | cloakable | Will be |
| 23:45.13 | Google1 | Ok, thanks. |
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| 23:45.18 | dcsimon | any suggestions? |
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| 23:46.29 | abrotman | cloakable: it will be? |
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| 23:46.39 | Vesperto | I'm trying to use icecream to shoutcast into mpg123 but i keep on getting "error: Unable to set up output device! Constraints: 22050, 11025 or 5512Hz." I'm using an nvidia chip |
| 23:47.10 | cloakable | abrotman: Isn't lenny technically unreleased? :P |
| 23:47.25 | abrotman | cloakable: then how do you know what the version number will be? |
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| 23:48.18 | cloakable | abrotman: if potato = 3.0, and etch = 4.0, I think lenny will = 5.0 ;) Just an opinion. |
| 23:48.22 | dcsimon | do I need to change any other config files to use uuids to boot my system? |
| 23:48.34 | abrotman | and there's nothing technical about its release status .. it's not been released |
| 23:48.37 | cloakable | Wait s/potato/woody/ |
| 23:48.38 | JoshH | woody was 3.0, sarge was 3.1 |
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| 23:48.41 | abrotman | cloakable: and sarge was 3.1 .... |
| 23:48.48 | cloakable | Ah. |
| 23:48.54 | abrotman | !release history |
| 23:48.54 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 23:51.16 | Nihilist_Nerd | Hello - I'm looking for a search tool and was thinking of Beagle, as I tried this out in OpenSUSE. Could someone recommend a search tool for me? |
| 23:51.32 | Nihilist_Nerd | I tried to use Beagle in debian, but the command 'beagle' gave me a command line version. |
| 23:51.47 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: there's an interface to it IIRC |
| 23:51.50 | Nihilist_Nerd | Wow, and now it's not doing anything at all. |
| 23:51.56 | Nihilist_Nerd | Oh, I mean beagle-query. |
| 23:51.58 | Vesperto | How can i know which is my audio device? I'm trying to use icecream to shoutcast into mpg123 but i keep on getting "error: Unable to set up output device! Constraints: 22050, 11025 or 5512Hz." I'm using an nvidia chip and tried /dev/audio, /dev/psaux, /dev/nvidia0 ... same error |
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| 23:53.06 | Nihilist_Nerd | Yeah, I've found an interface and it's beagle-queru, but I'm looking for a GUI. |
| 23:53.13 | Nihilist_Nerd | *beagle-query |
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| 23:55.15 | xlotlu | meh. x.org not compiled with lbx extension |
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| 23:56.05 | Trollinator | will dpkg ever feature xdelta packages? |
| 23:56.36 | Trollinator | or somethink the like... |
| 23:57.05 | Vesperto | I would assume this is a simple question.. |
| 23:57.16 | Nihilist_Nerd | Sorry, after a bit of RTFMing I have found the answer. |
| 23:57.17 | dcsimon | I get dumped into a busybox shell after an error message stating "no init found try passing init= options to kernel", what can I do? |
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| 23:58.42 | abrotman | Trollinator: like diffs ? |
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| 23:59.18 | Trollinator | abrotman: yes |
| 23:59.25 | Trollinator | binary diffs for the packages |
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| 23:59.34 | abrotman | Trollinator: you could file a wishlist bug .. or see if the BTS has one |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/dpkg |
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