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| 00:04.48 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how I can access a running X showing an XDMPC login screen from kdm? I tried `x11vnc` but it failed. |
| 00:05.41 | aMoRPHeouS | Why is firefox called Iceweasel in Debian? o_O |
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| 00:05.50 | reiffert | aMoRPHeouS: because of the mozilla license. |
| 00:06.01 | aMoRPHeouS | oh? |
| 00:06.39 | buu | dpkg: iceweasel |
| 00:06.39 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 00:06.40 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 00:06.40 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information. |
| 00:06.54 | buu | You win. |
| 00:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were faster |
| 00:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 00:07.06 | buu | That's what she.. wait |
| 00:07.18 | aMoRPHeouS | heh |
| 00:07.21 | aMoRPHeouS | thanks guys |
| 00:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah - now I know why... *I* tried that out in a query window 1st :) |
| 00:07.36 | aMoRPHeouS | also, has anyone experience of setting up ipw3945 on Lenny? |
| 00:07.49 | Trollinator | short answer: "because the folks at mozilla.org are stupid retards who didn't understand what free software is about." |
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| 00:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 00:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nickometer aMoRPHeouS |
| 00:08.11 | dpkg | 'aMoRPHeouS' is 97.370% lame, cutmeownthroat |
| 00:08.24 | Trollinator | !nickometer Trollinator |
| 00:08.26 | dpkg | 'Trollinator' is 0.000% lame, trollinator |
| 00:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... phew - would've been pretty pissed if that had gotten the same value as my nick :) |
| 00:08.34 | Trollinator | yeah :) |
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| 00:09.05 | aMoRPHeouS | yeah, yeah... the eggdrop spams on trigger... /care |
| 00:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Trollinator: that's just a bug :) |
| 00:09.06 | cloakable | !nickometer cloakable |
| 00:09.08 | dpkg | 'cloakable' is 0.000% lame, cloakable |
| 00:09.11 | cloakable | :D |
| 00:09.20 | Trollinator | !nickometer cloakable |
| 00:09.21 | dpkg | 'cloakable' is 0.000% lame, trollinator |
| 00:09.27 | Trollinator | hum? |
| 00:09.29 | rndn | anyone else get repeated route entries when they add eth0:1 ? |
| 00:09.34 | Trollinator | what kind of bug? |
| 00:09.36 | rndn | (to etc/network/interfaces) |
| 00:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Trollinator: doesnt react on "troll" :) - stuff like "fuck" etc. would also add up |
| 00:10.56 | Trollinator | !nickometer fubar |
| 00:10.58 | dpkg | 'fubar' is 0.000% lame, trollinator |
| 00:11.10 | Trollinator | !nickometer fsck |
| 00:11.12 | dpkg | 'fsck' is 0.000% lame, trollinator |
| 00:11.18 | Nihilist_Nerd | Which is more popular: Gnome or KDE? |
| 00:11.20 | Trollinator | i don't get it :( |
| 00:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | rndn: nope not "repeated" - but every interface has its own |
| 00:11.30 | Trollinator | Nihilist_Nerd: depends on the country |
| 00:11.38 | Nihilist_Nerd | Worldwide? |
| 00:11.44 | Nihilist_Nerd | Cheers/ |
| 00:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ratpoison |
| 00:12.00 | Nihilist_Nerd | I've just noticed that #gnome has far less users in it than #kde |
| 00:12.05 | cloakable | :D |
| 00:12.07 | Nihilist_Nerd | lol |
| 00:12.11 | Trollinator | Nihilist_Nerd: 85,3% of all statistics are freely made up |
| 00:12.30 | cloakable | Nihilist_Nerd: This is because IRC is far too complicated for a GNOME user ;) |
| 00:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:12.39 | Trollinator | right! |
| 00:12.47 | Nihilist_Nerd | I was talking about that with friends the other day, explaining why Linux isn't as popular as Windows. It's because 'Windows Vista Aero' sounds better than 'Slackware GNU/Linux ratpoison'. |
| 00:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | cloakable: so you're saying gnome is loads more popular than kde :) |
| 00:12.55 | rndn | I think the routing table doesn't show other than the true physical interface (eth0). So I have multiple repeated entries. I'm trying to add a secondary network to this computer (ie. lan is 192.168.x.x, and I'm adding 69.26.x.x) .. this is because I'm working on this replacement server |
| 00:12.56 | cloakable | IRC features the evil options |
| 00:12.57 | aMoRPHeouS | That's because more people have problems with KDE and like to whine. |
| 00:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nihilist_Nerd: I disagree... on both statements |
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| 00:13.39 | Nihilist_Nerd | Just because every GNU/Linux user is worth 1000 Windows users... joking. |
| 00:13.42 | Nihilist_Nerd | badly |
| 00:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nihilist_Nerd: a) I'd say Linux is more "popular", and b) Windows Vista Aero sounds pretty horrible :) |
| 00:13.53 | rndn | yeah.. I have other inter-system communication going on which uses IP addresses and it would be nice to not have to go through them all and try to get it working right when I'm trying to replace the server. |
| 00:13.53 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: which #gnome? |
| 00:14.09 | Nihilist_Nerd | the one on freenode.net |
| 00:14.16 | Nihilist_Nerd | wherever this irc channel is |
| 00:14.17 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: wrong one .. try irc.gnome.org |
| 00:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nihilist_Nerd: "popular" in the means of... what people choose who have the choice... |
| 00:14.53 | Nihilist_Nerd | Sorry, can you rephrase that? |
| 00:14.55 | Nihilist_Nerd | Er, |
| 00:15.10 | Nihilist_Nerd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:15.17 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: #gnome on irc.gnome.org has 125 people |
| 00:15.25 | Nihilist_Nerd | Ah right. |
| 00:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | cloakable: sure you're not talking about an apple (one-mouse-button-is-enough(TM)) irc client? |
| 00:15.38 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: or you could make the argument that kde is hard to use and its users need more help :) |
| 00:15.44 | Nihilist_Nerd | Well this channel is very popular amongst KDE, isn't it? |
| 00:15.48 | ronsonol | Help me out here... Alsa shoots dice every bootup whether I have sound. Right now, I don't. What file do I look at? |
| 00:15.51 | Nihilist_Nerd | Sorry, I mean network |
| 00:16.13 | cloakable | CutMeOwnThroat: GNOME goes further in the no-options department than Apple :P |
| 00:16.36 | peleg | hey: anyone is familiar with vsftpd ? |
| 00:16.42 | Nihilist_Nerd | Lol, I read a bit of this this: http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.php 'Nearly all major BSD and Linux distributions ship KDE as their default desktop and all but one (hopefully soon to change) include KDE.' - not the distributions I've used! |
| 00:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | cloakable: how can that be? "zero mouebuttons"? |
| 00:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | cloakable: no mouse whatsoever (oh, no, that's an apple-idea also!) |
| 00:17.08 | cloakable | CutMeOwnThroat: Just you wait for the GNOME mouse :P |
| 00:17.58 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: wow .. that's a bit wrong |
| 00:18.01 | nevyn | 11:15 < ronsonol> Help me out here... Alsa shoots dice every bootup whether I have sound. Right now, I don't. What file do I look at? |
| 00:18.08 | Nihilist_Nerd | Debian: No. Ubuntu: No. OpenSUSE... wait, yes. Slackware... yes, actually. Fedora: No. Zenwalk: No. PCBSD: Yes. FreeBSD: Well, this hasn'tgot a desktop by default, or has it? I havnt used it anyway, I'm rambling nonsense. |
| 00:18.27 | Nihilist_Nerd | abrotman: sounds pretty biased |
| 00:18.45 | Nihilist_Nerd | Bleh, is there really a holy war between KDE and Gnome, or is it friendly? |
| 00:18.48 | cloakable | CutMeOwnThroat: The GNOME mouse will try to read your palm muscles to work for clicking and even movement. The actions will be hardwired, with no way to change them :P |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: i thought suse used gnome now .. but i haven't seen it on a desktop in about 5 years |
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| 00:18.56 | Nihilist_Nerd | I assumeit's more friendly than FSF VS M$. |
| 00:19.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the only gnome program I use is gnumeric... and KDE-programs... hm, kbluetoothd, kwrite if I ever need to paste with ctrl-v (which yields the result of a different buffer than middle-mouse-button) and perhaps kdissert... hm |
| 00:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so seems for me kde wins out 3 vs 1 |
| 00:19.19 | Nihilist_Nerd | abrotman: come to think of it... i'm not sure |
| 00:19.21 | Nihilist_Nerd | it might |
| 00:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the GIMP a gnome program? :-P |
| 00:19.43 | Nihilist_Nerd | GTK... |
| 00:19.45 | Nihilist_Nerd | I think |
| 00:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | (starts with G) |
| 00:19.46 | Nihilist_Nerd | Well |
| 00:19.47 | abrotman | !depends gimp etch |
| 00:19.48 | Nihilist_Nerd | It must be |
| 00:19.50 | dpkg | gimp: depends on wget, gimp-data (= 2.2.13-1etch4), libaa1 (>= 1.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libexif12, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgimp2.0 (>= 2.2.0+rel), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libmng1 (>= 1.0.3-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), ... |
| 00:19.56 | rndn | isn't gimp's name offensive? |
| 00:19.56 | Nihilist_Nerd | Gnome ToolKit |
| 00:19.59 | Nihilist_Nerd | =GTK |
| 00:20.04 | Penix | no. it's wonderful |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | !gimp Rndn |
| 00:20.15 | abrotman | oh .. :( |
| 00:20.20 | Penix | !lose abrotman |
| 00:20.20 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 00:20.25 | Penix | I'm a better person now |
| 00:20.29 | Nihilist_Nerd | I just think it's funny. |
| 00:20.32 | Rndn | isn't it offensive that Gimp doesn't let you attach filters to layers? |
| 00:20.37 | Nihilist_Nerd | I don't think submissives ould be offended. |
| 00:20.39 | Penix | no |
| 00:20.45 | Rndn | I hear their new lib will let that be done.. I hope I hope. |
| 00:20.47 | Trollinator | Nurulwai: GTK stands for GIMP toolkit |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | Nihilist_Nerd: ^^ |
| 00:21.16 | Rndn | Isn't gtk's key-assignment beautiful? |
| 00:21.20 | Trollinator | Nihilist_Nerd, i mean |
| 00:21.34 | Nihilist_Nerd | yeah? |
| 00:21.39 | Rndn | Isn't it offensive that gimp doesn't have a line-drawing tool with arrow-ends? :) |
| 00:22.06 | abrotman | isn't it offensive that you're too lazy to draw them ... |
| 00:22.09 | peleg | I have installed vsftpd a few days ago and everything went fine; though, yesterday I have removed PasswordAuthentication and I now use SSH key for logging into my server; since then, I can't log to the server using the normal authentication in my FTP client (FileZilla). Any ideas what to do? |
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| 00:22.32 | Rndn | abrotman, no. It's offensive to the world for me to waste my time on that when I could better serve elsewhere. :) |
| 00:22.35 | Nihilist_Nerd | Aw come on, you're not trying to blaspheme the Gimp, are you? Now I'm no expert, but I hear that Gimp pwns all other open source image editors. |
| 00:22.46 | abrotman | Rndn: then do it |
| 00:23.03 | Rndn | Fine. I *will* waste my time elsewhere! |
| 00:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... of course gtk is the gnome toolkit (starts with g) and gzip... and gdb, gcc... |
| 00:23.13 | lontra | how can i make my vista partition and my debian partition have the same time? right now i have to have my vista clock set ahead 6 hours so that debian has the correct time. |
| 00:23.33 | Jaggy- | anyway, I love gimp. People need to realize that even when you love yourself you should still strive for self-improvement (shouldn't you?) |
| 00:23.41 | Penix | lontra: sync them both to a time server |
| 00:23.45 | Penix | lontra: if vista supports it |
| 00:23.57 | alturiak | lontra: set your hardware-clock to your localtime and run tzconfig on debian |
| 00:24.12 | aMoRPHeouS | http://rafb.net/p/BBgDo615.html |
| 00:24.17 | aMoRPHeouS | help? |
| 00:24.18 | alturiak | (telling it that your clock is set to localtime and not utc) |
| 00:24.22 | lontra | alturiak: how would i set my hardware-clock to localtime? |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | lontra: hwclock |
| 00:24.34 | Jaggy- | set it, and store it? |
| 00:24.44 | Nihilist_Nerd | Oh, I kept failing to install themes in KDE. I tried to RTFM but couldn't find one. |
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| 00:24.58 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: aptitude update |
| 00:25.01 | Nihilist_Nerd | 'cept kde user guide, which wasn't detailed enough |
| 00:25.15 | lontra | hwclock says -> select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 00:25.30 | Jaggy- | I edited interfaces, but a network restart doesn't update my IP. I set eth0:1 from 69.26.x.x to 192.168.x.x .. yet ifconfig still shows the old 69.thing |
| 00:25.36 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: still getting the same error |
| 00:25.55 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: do you have 'contrib' sources? |
| 00:25.59 | lontra | hwclock doesn't seem to be working |
| 00:26.16 | Jaggy- | hwclock --help |
| 00:26.21 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: yeah, I've added it to the sources.list |
| 00:26.41 | peleg | do you know what "sshd_config" file is, or where is it? |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: paste your sources |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | peleg: /etc/ssh/ |
| 00:26.50 | Trollinator | Jaggy-: try ifdown eth0:1; ifup eth0:1 |
| 00:27.03 | peleg | abrotman: that was super quick! thanks... |
| 00:27.19 | Trollinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.20 | Jaggy- | Trollinator: oh right.. I commented out the auto eth0:1 line. Thank you. (I commented it out to test getting rid of these redundant routes) |
| 00:27.45 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/KlkMVw86.html |
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| 00:28.02 | peleg | abrotman: I have only ssh_config there. |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: no .. you don't have contrib sources |
| 00:28.13 | aMoRPHeouS | oh damn |
| 00:28.15 | abrotman | peleg: do you have openssh-server installed ? |
| 00:28.17 | aMoRPHeouS | wrong line... |
| 00:28.35 | leonardo | hi i tried to remove evolution with package amanger, but when i mark this to removal, it doesn't select the other files automatically |
| 00:28.43 | leonardo | it was to select |
| 00:28.49 | peleg | abrotman: no. The thing is that I am trying to access SFTP via my FileZilla CLIENT. |
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| 00:29.09 | abrotman | peleg: that has nothing to do with an sshd .. unless oyu're trying to connect to your own machine |
| 00:29.27 | aMoRPHeouS | thanks abrotman :) |
| 00:29.37 | peleg | abrotman: this place: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/cant-login-remotely-to-ssh-server-using-filezilla-415668/?s=1bce5c1964a8b91dc2027dc44b1877a5 - says something else |
| 00:29.40 | aMoRPHeouS | I'm bloody blind |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | peleg: are you trying to connect to your own machine or not ? |
| 00:30.15 | karsten | Petfrogg: Glad to hear. |
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| 00:30.34 | peleg | abrotman: I am trying to access a remote machine using sftp, but since I had removed PasswordAuthentication (on the remote machine), I can't access; FileZilla does not look for my ssh key, I guess. |
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| 00:30.48 | abrotman | peleg: that has nothing to do with sshd |
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| 00:30.53 | abrotman | not on your own machine |
| 00:31.01 | abrotman | peleg: the other machine has the sshd_config |
| 00:31.44 | peleg | abrotman: if I CAN access that machine with SSH, is it possible that its sshd_config is not enabling sftp? |
| 00:32.00 | streuner | no |
| 00:32.04 | abrotman | peleg: it is .. you might be able to check its sshd config |
| 00:32.17 | peleg | abrotman: thanks. |
| 00:32.47 | abrotman | peleg: as far as filezilla and your keys .. NFC .. i've only used it on windows |
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| 00:33.45 | peleg | abrotman: no, sftp is enabled in my server... maybe the problem is with FileZilla |
| 00:33.55 | abrotman | peleg: so try another sftp client |
| 00:34.29 | peleg | abrotman: that's an annoying search... I just can't find a SFTP client that I like... |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | !sftp |
| 00:34.37 | dpkg | sftp is probably a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp, the server is in the package openssh-server. For windows clients, see http://winscp.net/ or http://filezilla.sf.net/ |
| 00:34.40 | peleg | do any of you have recommendations? |
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| 00:35.39 | abrotman | there are a few there |
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| 00:37.45 | peleg | abrotman: yes, works with kftpgrabber... |
| 00:37.49 | peleg | thanks. |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | okay |
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| 00:39.16 | ronsonol | So, bootup, I maybe get a message that says " Trident4DWaveAudio: probe of 0000:00:08.0 failed with error -12" -- maybe not. cat /proc/asound/cards then recognizes the onboard VIA 8235, which isn't used. If I run alsaconf, I can point it to the Trident card and have sound -- until I reboot. |
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| 00:41.33 | ronsonol | I have two machines running etch and neither one of 'em can remember a sound card config after shutdown. |
| 00:42.07 | ronsonol | I'll forgive it on the other machine, cause it's about an antique. |
| 00:42.25 | theatro | ronsonol, I solved this by adding the unused soundcard module in the blacklisted modules list |
| 00:42.29 | abrotman | does your machine have two sound cards? |
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| 00:42.51 | mmnicolas | hi |
| 00:42.57 | ronsonol | hm, blacklisted modules list. |
| 00:43.19 | ronsonol | abrotman, yes. the unused one is an onboard chip. |
| 00:43.28 | abrotman | ronsonol: tried to disable it in the bios ? |
| 00:43.44 | theatro | in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 00:43.47 | ronsonol | I thought it was. |
| 00:43.59 | ronsonol | I haven't looked at bios in a long time. |
| 00:45.25 | ronsonol | Would it be found if it were disabled? I know there's other respects in which Linux (favorably) ignores bios. |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 00:45.46 | aMoRPHeouS | http://rafb.net/p/nacMrM59.html <-- using Intel 950 GMA |
| 00:46.47 | ronsonol | How do I identify the module when putting it in the blacklist, if it comes to that? |
| 00:46.47 | peleg | abrotman: look what FileZilla says: "FileZilla supports the standard SSH agents. If your SSH agent is running, the SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable should be set" - do you understand what it means? |
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| 00:47.12 | abrotman | nope .. man ssh |
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| 00:47.26 | peleg | ok |
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| 00:47.42 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: how did you install X ? |
| 00:47.55 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: it was installed during Debian install |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: aptitude install xorg .. does it install anything ? |
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| 00:49.02 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: nothing |
| 00:49.17 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 00:49.19 | lontra | thanks for the hint about hwclock ... apparently it was broken for me and i found a fix on the internet ... how can i make sure that i don't lose my time, i.e. how can i keep it synced with a server? |
| 00:49.33 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 00:49.34 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 00:50.29 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: then restart X? |
| 00:50.36 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: i guess |
| 00:50.42 | aMoRPHeouS | k, brb |
| 00:50.51 | lontra | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:52.08 | aMoRPHeouS | thanks abrotman. Got DRI now. |
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| 00:52.14 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:52.20 | Miesco_ | Is a DVD made from mpeg-2 files? |
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| 00:54.46 | lontra | hrm ... adjtimex seems to be hanging for longer than 70 seconds |
| 00:55.31 | peleg | anyone is familiar with postfix here? |
| 00:56.58 | abrotman | peleg: lots of people .. just ask .. or #postfix |
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| 01:02.06 | dserban | I have a major... ehh majorly crappy situation. |
| 01:02.18 | peleg | abortman: yes, tried #postfix... they are a bit sleepy... thanks anyway. |
| 01:03.29 | dserban | My mail server which holds a few hundred thousand emails kicked out all the drives that comprised the raid 5 array, due to interrupts being stupid or what have you. In turn, after re-assembling the fun, after an fsck it moved over 15,000 emails to lost+found (maildir)... now... anyone have any bright ideas how I can re-inject these emails into their respective accounts? |
| 01:03.46 | dserban | peleg, just ask |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | peleg: then ask here |
| 01:03.53 | peleg | I have this problem: it looks like postfix never stops working; I have NO active users, but mail.log logs dozens of lines per *second*. any ideas? |
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| 01:04.10 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | dserban: well .. you could resend them ? |
| 01:04.21 | dserban | peleg, what do the lines say? |
| 01:04.32 | peleg | dserban: http://pastebin.ca/905804 |
| 01:04.36 | peleg | thanks |
| 01:04.49 | Nazcafan | How do I get a device name knowing its pci id if it is not plugged on my machine ? |
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| 01:04.50 | dserban | abrotman, how? using an lda right? |
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| 01:05.23 | Nazcafan | (I don't know if my question was clear, actually ...) |
| 01:05.24 | abrotman | Nazcafan: google ? |
| 01:05.29 | ross` | what's the package called for microsoft fonts |
| 01:05.32 | abrotman | grep linux sources ? |
| 01:05.34 | Nazcafan | abrotman: which terms ? |
| 01:05.38 | dserban | well my fear is that the headers already contain the delivery information etc... so they wouldn't be delivered. I'll try putting together a script to handle what i can |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | ross`: apt-cache search corefonts |
| 01:05.44 | Nazcafan | abrotman: no way to tell ? |
| 01:05.50 | abrotman | dserban: so try it with one |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | Nazcafan: put the PCI ID in google |
| 01:06.05 | Nazcafan | abrotman: yeah, it is unclear |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | what's the PCI id ? |
| 01:06.16 | Nazcafan | it is an atheros |
| 01:06.19 | Nazcafan | 0024 |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | it's ####:#### |
| 01:06.35 | ross` | is there a way to install just microsoft fonts in a package without openoffice? |
| 01:06.36 | dserban | abrotman, i will |
| 01:06.51 | Nazcafan | abrotman: I don't remember the first #### but it corresponds to atheros |
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| 01:07.06 | abrotman | yes .. that's no help . the first four are the manufacturer |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | the second four are the actual device |
| 01:07.38 | abrotman | 8086:24cc ... 8086 is intel .. 24cc means is the actual device |
| 01:07.39 | Nazcafan | 168c:0024 |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | Nazcafan: and what do you really want to know about it ? |
| 01:08.01 | chandor | ross`: aptitude install msttcorefonts |
| 01:08.18 | Nazcafan | abrotman: which name would lspci give me |
| 01:08.26 | Nazcafan | if I had it plugged |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | # ThinkPad 11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Mini Express Adapter (AR5BXB72) (PCI-ID: 168c:0024) |
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| 01:08.42 | abrotman | apparently |
| 01:08.55 | init1 | my laptop fan is coming on every few minutes, sometimes seconds, it only lasts for a few seconds when it does |
| 01:09.02 | Nazcafan | mhhhh thinkpad ? |
| 01:09.06 | init1 | it's rather anoying |
| 01:09.10 | init1 | nah compaq |
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| 01:09.14 | ross` | chandor: that's also only in openoffice.org |
| 01:09.15 | ross` | = |
| 01:09.26 | init1 | i just installed Etch yesterday |
| 01:09.34 | init1 | and im using fluxbox |
| 01:09.41 | Nazcafan | abrotman: so should be AR5XB72 |
| 01:09.42 | init1 | it's never done this before |
| 01:09.51 | abrotman | Nazcafan: it's an atheros card .. that's all i know |
| 01:09.53 | Nazcafan | abrotman: I was hoping to discover some special option to lspci |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | !hcl |
| 01:09.58 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 01:10.00 | Nazcafan | abrotman: I know that too |
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| 01:10.49 | Nazcafan | abrotman: the second link does not work |
| 01:10.56 | abrotman | Nazcafan: that happens |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | Nazcafan: i'm not sure what you're really after |
| 01:11.07 | peleg | A corrected paste: http://pastebin.ca/905813. I have a repeated error, thousands of times per day. POSTFIX does it. any ideas? |
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| 01:12.24 | Nazcafan | abrotman: I would like to know where lspci finds all the data about the corresponding pci id's (say 168c:0024) and all the human readable data it displays |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 01:12.47 | rael | hi can someone please tell me what gdesklets these are on this debian system? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png I want to know about the system monitor with the penguin and the rss feed |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | it's a sourceforge site |
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| 01:14.03 | abrotman | rael: i think those are pretty standard .. check the gdesklets website |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | rael: the one appears to be "SideCandy" and the other is RSS-Grab i think |
| 01:15.08 | rael | thank you |
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| 01:16.13 | abrotman | rael: if you run the gdesklets tool .. it has a few categories |
| 01:16.58 | Nazcafan | abrotman: found it ! |
| 01:17.04 | Nazcafan | abrotman: thanks you are great |
| 01:17.07 | pfd27 | just installed Lenny, but grub wouldn't install. I wrote down the command to boot, but can't get it to work with the grub that's already there from mepis. It gave me /dev/hdb1 root=/dev/hdb1 |
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| 01:17.30 | abrotman | pfd27: you're missing the initrd bit |
| 01:17.33 | Nazcafan | abrotman: /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 01:18.02 | abrotman | Nazcafan: yes |
| 01:18.06 | pfd27 | what would I put in? I've tried everything I can think of |
| 01:18.11 | DawnLight | why doesn't sed 's/$/EOL/' actually delete line endings? |
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| 01:18.38 | abrotman | you still need an end of line ? |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | pfd27: you need a root line .. a kernel line and an initrd line |
| 01:19.08 | Nazcafan | abrotman: but this doesn't tell the kernel which driver it needs to load when a device is plugged, right ? |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | ath5k |
| 01:19.28 | pfd27 | root I had as "root (hd1,0) |
| 01:19.37 | pfd27 | right |
| 01:19.38 | Nazcafan | abrotman: yes when it is stable, I guess you'll be right |
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| 01:20.16 | abrotman | pfd27: and you need a kernel line and an initrd line |
| 01:20.41 | Nazcafan | abrotman: but which file makes the association device <-> module ? (sorry if that question might be completely off-topic) |
| 01:21.01 | pfd27 | the kernel line is what I can't seem to get right |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | Nazcafan: huh ? |
| 01:21.39 | abrotman | pfd27: kernel /boot/<kernel> root=<device> ro |
| 01:21.49 | Nazcafan | abrotman: I plug a device, then the device id is read (I guess) and a corresponding is then loaded in order to manage it, right ? |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | pfd27: initrd /boot/<initrdfile> |
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| 01:22.15 | abrotman | Nazcafan: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap .. i think |
| 01:22.40 | Nuxis | pfd27: http://pastebin.com/m2e781244, take a look at this :). My /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:22.46 | Nazcafan | abrotman: you are enlighting me |
| 01:23.24 | pfd27 | where would I find what kernel is installed with lenny? |
| 01:23.56 | Nazcafan | pfd27: google "why is package X not in testing yet" |
| 01:23.59 | pfd27 | nuxis looking |
| 01:24.12 | Nazcafan | pfd27: then search "linux-image" |
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| 01:24.26 | Nazcafan | right now it is 2.6.22-3, I think |
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| 01:24.52 | azeem | I think it's linux-2.6, not linux-image |
| 01:25.01 | Nuxis | pfd27: it's from etch not lenny so don't copy paste :-) |
| 01:25.14 | pfd27 | :) |
| 01:25.18 | Nazcafan | azeem: it will be redirected anyway |
| 01:25.33 | pfd27 | ok. Thanks everyone. I'll try again |
| 01:25.40 | Nazcafan | azeem: you can search binaries, there |
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| 01:25.44 | Nuxis | pfd27: k, good luck |
| 01:26.01 | azeem | Nazcafan: linux-image might be from some different meta-package generating source package though, dunno |
| 01:26.22 | Nazcafan | azeem: I am almost certain it is not |
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| 01:28.30 | Nazcafan | abrotman: does the kernel load the driver "itself" when a device is plugged or is that handled by some daemon (possibly related with udev ?) ? |
| 01:29.02 | Nazcafan | abrotman: if I bother you just tell me I'll stop |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | Nazcafan: i would guess both .. i never looked into it that much |
| 01:29.42 | abrotman | there is/was discover also |
| 01:30.00 | jon_high9000 | hello. i downloaded the AMD 64 version of Debian "Etch". when i went to pop in the install cd and boot it it had stopped halfway. does this sound familiar or is this new? |
| 01:30.10 | Nazcafan | abrotman: thanks anyway, you've made me accomplish good steps in the understanding of my OS |
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| 01:30.40 | abrotman | Nazcafan: there is tons of documentation if you want to read it |
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| 01:31.59 | aMoRPHeouS | Where can I add options for loading modules? |
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| 01:32.09 | Nazcafan | abrotman: which one would you recommend me for a general knowledge of the system mechanisms ? (I know basically how to run the system but I lack some precise knowledge, as you saw) |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | Nazcafan: the Documentation folder in the kernel source tree might be a good start |
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| 01:33.03 | bopols | i am running VirtualBox and i would like it to control the usb printer. |
| 01:33.08 | bopols | My debian OS does not seem to release it. |
| 01:33.09 | bopols | How do I disconnect (not manually) the usb printer on debian? |
| 01:33.30 | Nuxis | bopols: ask #virtualbox or so, I think this is not the right place on debian becayse it's not a specific debian question |
| 01:33.30 | Nazcafan | abrotman: did not know there was one, actually |
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| 01:33.54 | tremby | can mkfs.ext3 be used to grow a partition? |
| 01:34.20 | bopols | hmmm ... how do i disconnect a usb printer on debian linux? |
| 01:35.11 | bopols | Nuxis, forget about me mentioning Virtualbox. |
| 01:35.17 | Nuxis | bopols: k |
| 01:35.20 | bopols | isn't that a valid question in here? |
| 01:35.29 | bopols | k |
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| 01:37.24 | bopols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:38.02 | aMoRPHeouS | Can someone tell me where I can add exta options for drivers? |
| 01:38.21 | chandor | aMoRPHeouS: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 01:38.35 | Nuxis | bopols: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549080 |
| 01:38.52 | Nuxis | bopols: Maybe this can help you |
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| 01:39.33 | aMoRPHeouS | chandor: for alsa drivers I edit the alsa-base file? |
| 01:39.41 | bopols | Nuxis, thanks a lot! |
| 01:40.01 | aMoRPHeouS | modprobe.conf was so much simpler :P |
| 01:40.02 | chandor | aMoRPHeouS: yes |
| 01:40.04 | Nuxis | bopols: np :-) |
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| 01:43.36 | emma | I just spoke with a CentOS user who told me that "Enterprise means .more secure.......more stable...better or same as RH " So I asked, does that mean that Debian is "Enterprise" |
| 01:43.52 | emma | and then they said they can't say. They said you should ask Debian. |
| 01:44.37 | schue_ | as near as I can tell CentOS means "economically undermine the very model your business has chosen to depend on". |
| 01:45.04 | schue_ | which doesn't seem particularly "enterprisey" to me. |
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| 01:47.57 | emma | So is Debian "Enterprise" ? |
| 01:48.05 | dvs | of course! |
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| 01:49.10 | Penix | enterprisin' baby |
| 01:49.55 | dondelelcaro | it's used by many Enterprises. Is that good enough? |
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| 01:50.30 | dvs | dondelelcaro: those spaceships really exist?!? ;-) |
| 01:50.37 | buu | YES! |
| 01:50.42 | buu | IN MY HEART. THEY LIVE ON. |
| 01:50.45 | peterrooney | are screwdrivers enterprise? |
| 01:50.57 | abrotman | they're stable and secure! |
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| 01:51.50 | peterrooney | abrotman: then forceps are enterprise too. |
| 01:52.01 | Penix | damn right they are |
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| 01:52.31 | dondelelcaro | gotta have forceps and hemostats |
| 01:52.53 | jetscreamer | space. the final frontier. |
| 01:53.18 | snacky | they also have to be really slow to be enterprise |
| 01:53.32 | mot | what's the difference between "vmsize" and "vmrss" in the kde processes table? |
| 01:53.35 | Penix | jetscreamer: you should contact some screenwriters about using that |
| 01:53.49 | jetscreamer | yeah i could sell it! |
| 01:54.19 | jetscreamer | i'd better not email it or the isp might filter my copyrighted content |
| 01:54.39 | cizzi | whats a good tool in debian distribution to take a complete snapshot of the system and put it on a dvd? |
| 01:54.58 | jetscreamer | that dvd thing that's in sources that does that |
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| 01:57.46 | emma | Finish this sentence: Ubuntu is about easy, Slackware is about control, Gentoo is about customization, and Debian is about _____________________ . |
| 01:58.07 | dondelelcaro | laziness |
| 01:58.17 | Nuxis | porn? :P |
| 01:58.19 | AfterDeath | Not having an ultimately PoS system. |
| 01:58.33 | emma | be serious guys |
| 01:58.59 | Nuxis | well emma you fill it in :) |
| 01:58.59 | AfterDeath | We are! |
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| 01:59.11 | rael | w32codecs: |
| 01:59.13 | rael | Depends: libstdc++5 (>=1:3.3.4-1) but it is not installable |
| 01:59.20 | rael | what does that mean |
| 01:59.23 | emma | and Debian is about w32codecs.. |
| 02:00.21 | rael | what is a unresolvable dependency |
| 02:00.39 | rael | sounds like a 40 year old man that still lives at home |
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| 02:00.56 | dondelelcaro | rael: that means that that package is build against a version of libstdc++5 which is not available. Most likely you don't have the right sources.list entry for debian-multimedia. |
| 02:01.22 | rael | oh... |
| 02:01.26 | rael | what do I do |
| 02:01.27 | rael | ? |
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| 02:02.58 | dondelelcaro | rael: show us the output of apt-cache policy libstdc++5; apt-cache policy w3codecs; apt-cache policy; |
| 02:03.04 | dondelelcaro | rael: use a paste site to do so |
| 02:03.14 | rael | ok |
| 02:03.42 | emma | I wonder if maybe we should say, "Debian is about tradition" |
| 02:04.57 | emma | I kind of get the feeling that Debian is traditional. Like, it's the kind of Linux that sensible people use. It's like the Rock of Gibralter of Linux distros. Like the elder Statesmen so to speak. |
| 02:05.15 | craigevil | Debian is about "freedom". |
| 02:05.22 | emma | Freedom? How? |
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| 02:06.44 | rael | like free beer |
| 02:06.55 | bigbear98 | free beer? |
| 02:06.56 | bigbear98 | where? |
| 02:06.58 | rael | =D |
| 02:07.04 | rael | http://www.pastebin.org/19803 |
| 02:07.04 | Nuxis | WHERE!!!??? |
| 02:07.06 | rael | lol |
| 02:07.27 | rael | hehe.now that I said 'beer' I want some |
| 02:07.49 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 02:07.54 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 02:07.58 | rael | heh |
| 02:08.00 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 02:08.05 | rael | well scat you do have ambition |
| 02:08.06 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 02:08.09 | Nuxis | ScatFondue: fuck uf, that's racistic / spam |
| 02:08.11 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 02:08.14 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 02:08.17 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 02:08.20 | ScatFondue | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
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| 02:08.41 | rael | perhaps you should work on spelling before you move on to castration |
| 02:08.47 | rael | and then grammer maybe |
| 02:09.05 | Nuxis | Said it at #freenode |
| 02:09.07 | Nuxis | he left it xD |
| 02:09.35 | buu | Yes, improve your grammer. |
| 02:09.47 | rael | scat you jive turkey I was trying to paste something |
| 02:09.51 | rael | http://www.pastebin.org/19803 |
| 02:10.07 | rael | I just realized what his name means |
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| 02:10.12 | rael | scatfondue |
| 02:10.43 | rael | a fondue made out of feces. |
| 02:10.53 | rael | not sure I care for that. |
| 02:11.35 | dserban | peleg, your debug is set too high |
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| 02:13.48 | craigevil | rael: thats a ubuntu sources.list , libstdc++5 is in debian main, pool/main/g/gcc-3.3/libstdc++5_3.3.6-15_i386.deb |
| 02:14.04 | rael | umm |
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| 02:14.34 | rael | heh ok you got me. I'm using debians illegitimate stepbrother ubuntu |
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| 02:15.03 | chandor | rael: and i guess 64bit one? |
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| 02:15.12 | rael | no |
| 02:15.14 | buu | rael: So why are you asking questions here? |
| 02:15.26 | ziyax | hello, i wanna know how can i revert configuration file which came from install |
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| 02:15.59 | rael | well I didn't realize this issue was distro specific =( |
| 02:16.10 | rael | and gotno help inubuntu |
| 02:16.27 | craigevil | look in the wiki |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | rael: this is why you ask in #ubuntu .. we've given you debian specific help |
| 02:17.25 | rael | I see |
| 02:17.34 | rael | well thank you anywya |
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| 02:19.45 | ziyax | hello, i wanna know how can i revert configuration file which came from install |
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| 02:20.21 | cdemwel1 | Hi |
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| 02:21.55 | ziyax | ok solved anyway |
| 02:22.50 | cdemwel1 | I've got a system that requires GRUB 2 - it has a large partition that GRUB 1 doesn't understand. The boot loader is currently toast. Is there a CD that I can boot off to install GRUB 2? |
| 02:23.38 | cdemwel1 | (Debian etch installer won't, FYI) |
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| 02:27.12 | jhambo | If I make "JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10" is that pointing to "Java JDK" or "Java JRE"? |
| 02:29.07 | Penix | jhambo: it's pointing to whatever is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10 |
| 02:29.32 | Penix | jhambo: afaik there's usually either a jre or jdk dir inside |
| 02:30.09 | Penix | oh. wait. using a package |
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| 02:30.47 | Penix | jhambo: see which package that dir and its files belong to. |
| 02:33.19 | kgoetz | arvo all :) |
| 02:33.56 | jhambo | Penix: remind me how to do that? is it apt-file... something? |
| 02:34.07 | kgoetz | jhambo: dpkg -S |
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| 02:35.54 | jhambo | Hmm I get "sun-java5-demo, sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-jre, sun-java5-jdk: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10" so I guess it's pointing to JDK? |
| 02:38.02 | Penix | jhambo: yeah, it seems like that should be the jdk and the jre lives inside in jre/ |
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| 03:00.02 | pab | Has the smp kernel gone away? |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | they're all SMB now |
| 03:00.15 | abrotman | SMP |
| 03:00.26 | pab | ah |
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| 03:02.47 | __KERNEL__ | hello all |
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| 03:04.52 | __KERNEL__ | people, I want to knwo from debian users... what ISOS I need to a basic system with the most-common GNU softwares and development tools |
| 03:05.44 | Nyle | simonrvn: aweee its a turtle |
| 03:05.45 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | !d-i __KERNEL__ |
| 03:05.58 | dpkg | __KERNEL__, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:06.25 | Nyle | __KERNEL__: what you may need to do is look at the !cd contents |
| 03:06.52 | Nyle | the thing is, stuff maybe spread over many cds |
| 03:07.14 | Nyle | best thing to do is to get the netinst iso, or cd1 and install the rest as you need using aptitude(with net connection) |
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| 03:08.47 | __KERNEL__ | yes... I'll look again to find a cd contents list |
| 03:08.50 | __KERNEL__ | thank you |
| 03:08.57 | Nyle | __KERNEL__: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 03:09.59 | Nyle | this is some mindblowing shit |
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| 03:12.25 | Nyle | !ping |
| 03:12.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:12.40 | Nyle | !nickometer __KERNEL__ |
| 03:12.42 | dpkg | '__KERNEL__' is 99.820% lame, nyle |
| 03:12.59 | __KERNEL__ | ohh thanks people |
| 03:13.02 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:13.03 | Nyle | j/k |
| 03:13.09 | Nyle | __KERNEL__: you got it figured out? |
| 03:13.17 | Nyle | __KERNEL__: what do you plan on doing? |
| 03:14.08 | __KERNEL__ | Nyle, I want to do a minimal install in a place which don't have internet access... |
| 03:14.23 | __KERNEL__ | minimal install+development tools |
| 03:14.25 | dondelelcaro | __KERNEL__: well, the more cds you get, the more stuff you'll have |
| 03:14.55 | dondelelcaro | __KERNEL__: as far as development tools go, the common ones are on the first two or three cds, the less common ones are in other cds. If you can use DVDs, I'd get the first one. |
| 03:15.08 | __KERNEL__ | yes, but I can't download all the CDs... I don't have link and disk space for that heheeh |
| 03:15.10 | dondelelcaro | (the CDs are roughly ordered by popularity) |
| 03:15.24 | Nyle | hmmm you can make a custom cd! |
| 03:15.28 | dondelelcaro | __KERNEL__: you can buy them |
| 03:15.44 | dondelelcaro | __KERNEL__: but the first CD or the first two will almost certainly get you going. |
| 03:15.50 | __KERNEL__ | hmm, I didn't think about the custom CD... |
| 03:15.53 | Nyle | base system, other tools, dev tools few hundred mb, mkiso and burn (just a thought) |
| 03:15.57 | Nyle | !custom cd |
| 03:15.57 | dpkg | methinks custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 03:16.03 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:16.08 | Nyle | no no, custom packageks in the cd |
| 03:16.09 | Nyle | wth |
| 03:17.26 | Nyle | noty custom packages man, hold on what I'm trying to say is that you can build a cd with debian stable base system, plus whatever tools you need and thier dependencies in one iso, and you can use that iso to install and you'll have exactly what you want |
| 03:17.34 | Nyle | there should be a way to do this |
| 03:17.53 | Nyle | __KERNEL__: really, you don't have 4 gb free for a dvd? |
| 03:18.53 | __KERNEL__ | yes Nyle... I have just 80Gb, 1.8Gb free |
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| 03:19.33 | __KERNEL__ | but I'll try the custom cd |
| 03:19.36 | abrotman | __KERNEL__: you can download 1 CD .. burn it .. delete the ISO .. rinse/repeat |
| 03:19.46 | __KERNEL__ | thank you man!! |
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| 03:21.22 | __KERNEL__ | abrotman yes, I can try that too, but the custom cd will solve my problem fastly(at least I think) |
| 03:21.32 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 03:21.35 | __KERNEL__ | thank you all |
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| 03:23.35 | Nyle | tap your toes to the music, la de da |
| 03:23.41 | Nyle | tap your toes tonight |
| 03:23.46 | Nyle | da nanana |
| 03:25.03 | __KERNEL__ | ohh I don't have lucky... The light is down and my no-break is beeping... |
| 03:25.09 | __KERNEL__ | hehehe |
| 03:25.26 | Nyle | __KERNEL__: I have no idea what that means |
| 03:26.29 | Nyle | man I just love KDE, wow its just everytime I find out something new about it, its very very ... whats the word.. it leaves me in awe, again, over and over. |
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| 03:26.53 | Nyle | I just learned about kio-apt |
| 03:27.16 | __KERNEL__ | means that I'll shutdown... hehehe... lightdowns is very common here... :( |
| 03:27.33 | Nyle | __KERNEL__: you mean power failures? |
| 03:27.37 | __KERNEL__ | bye all... tomorrow I do it... |
| 03:27.41 | Nyle | g'night |
| 03:28.01 | __KERNEL__ | yes... ohh, I said in english but thinking in portuguese... it's bad hehehe |
| 03:28.17 | Nyle | go before your computer blows up :) |
| 03:28.22 | __KERNEL__ | []'s |
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| 03:29.17 | DawnLight | hm... portual... be there in may |
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| 03:29.55 | DawnLight | but he's from brazil, it seems |
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| 03:30.30 | DawnLight | who just joined the channel and left right afterwards? |
| 03:30.43 | gartt | Anyone know of a decent (X)HTML GUI form builder? Free and available on linux? |
| 03:30.55 | abrotman | nvu maybe |
| 03:30.59 | abrotman | bluefish perhaps |
| 03:31.22 | DawnLight | i just use plone :) |
| 03:32.31 | Nyle | I use Quanta now |
| 03:32.36 | Nyle | I used to love bluefish |
| 03:32.49 | Nyle | but I really hate gtk |
| 03:33.00 | gartt | I was thinking something more along the lines of kdevelop designer, but for html |
| 03:33.06 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:33.11 | Nyle | thats a tough one |
| 03:33.34 | gartt | There seem to be plenty of proprietary GUI html form builders |
| 03:33.50 | abrotman | !nvu |
| 03:33.51 | dpkg | well, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
| 03:34.00 | Nyle | hasn't the development of nvu stoped or something |
| 03:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, running find over my sata-raid 0 seems to slow down things quite a bit... is there still such a thing as dma for sata drives? |
| 03:34.04 | Nyle | can't remember |
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| 03:34.40 | gartt | I've tried nvu in the past, but it was really buggy, bulky, and leaky |
| 03:35.02 | gartt | Random crashing, really messy html, the works- didn't like it |
| 03:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and should hdparm show it (it doesnt and it cannot be set either) |
| 03:37.49 | xsdg | CutMeOwnThroat: hdparm -i <yourdrive> should mention DMA |
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| 03:38.26 | xsdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.34 | xsdg | CutMeOwnThroat: that's an excerpt from `hdparm -I /dev/sda` on my machine |
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| 04:01.16 | jeffwheeler | I'm a bit confused; is it normal for $PYTHONPATH to be empty? |
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| 04:01.36 | jeffwheeler | (On a Debian system, I mean; I know it isn't by default on my Mac.) |
| 04:01.55 | baloo | I haven't noticed it set myself |
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| 04:04.28 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: what would it do ? |
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| 04:04.47 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: normally it affects the path Python uses to search for modules |
| 04:04.59 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: maybe it's controlled elsewhere ? |
| 04:05.35 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: seems to be; on other systems, I can prepend sys.path (PYTHONPATH outside of Python) just like PATH in my .bashrc file; I'll ask in #python. |
| 04:05.53 | Knightshade | if you're running pythonX.Y, the interpreter should look for modules in /usr/lib/pytonX.Y |
| 04:05.59 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: actually .. read /etc/python2.4/site.py |
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| 04:06.26 | ol_dude67 | what is the deb file i have to put in the repos to get vmware? |
| 04:06.36 | abrotman | vmware isn't in debian |
| 04:06.38 | Nyle | is there a debian channel for its multimedia packages? like audio tools, recording software, music making software, synthesizers, players, etc. or is this it? |
| 04:06.46 | Knightshade | /usr/bin/python should just symlink to the right version |
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| 04:08.11 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, let me look at those things; give me a minute. |
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| 04:21.50 | Starwatcher | hi all need some help, just installed nvidia drivers via their install program, driver works when i go from terminal via startx but when I reboot I loose something and the system will not boot into a gui but hangs with a black screen. |
| 04:22.39 | abrotman | wrong |
| 04:22.43 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:22.43 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 04:23.16 | Starwatcher | nope this card is a gforce 7600gs |
| 04:24.02 | Malf | Starwatcher: That can happen for various reasons. I've had some of the debian legacy packages installed and installed via nvidia's program before and the kernel linked to the legacy stuff giving a black screen |
| 04:24.23 | Malf | Starwatcher: I've had it simply fail to properly update the kernel with the proper modules so on reboot it isn't loaded correctly |
| 04:24.41 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: lots of hours later, i discover lbx suport was removed 2 years ago :P ... http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=a9ed5a87902a839a5a135af03db78f113b18bd86 |
| 04:24.53 | Malf | Starwatcher: Essentially. There's plenty that can go wrong with the nvidia installer and following the one liner is the way to go |
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| 04:25.24 | xlotlu | ...after building most of xfree86 for the lbxproxy |
| 04:25.35 | Starwatcher | ok ??? one liner?? |
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| 04:25.44 | Malf | yeah, what abrotman had dpkg mention |
| 04:25.52 | Lightning | maybe I can get some help. having some lilo trouble... [details on next msg] |
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| 04:26.42 | Lightning | ok, had a win2k box with multiple (5 or 6) hd's. installed linux, been working great. comp locked up hard, the wife power cycled it (ctrl-alt-f1 wouldnt respond). got "L 99 99 99 ..." response. read that i need to reset the mbr |
| 04:27.08 | abrotman | liveCD .. reinstall lilo |
| 04:27.12 | Lightning | popped in the debian cd, went to a shell, mounted the fs, did lilo -M /dev/sda mbr, rebooted. now I get "starting windows..." |
| 04:27.16 | Lightning | help :) |
| 04:27.41 | Starwatcher | Malf I am a little dense but what is the one liner lol |
| 04:28.16 | Lightning | abrotman: i did. it made it worse |
| 04:28.21 | Malf | Starwatcher: I just had dpkg message you with instructions on a site that describes how to install the drivers |
| 04:28.37 | Starwatcher | ok i see it now |
| 04:28.39 | Malf | Starwatcher: along with a single-line you could use to install if you've done it before and don't need the walkthrough |
| 04:28.47 | Malf | k |
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| 04:29.10 | abrotman | !99 bottles of beer |
| 04:29.10 | dpkg | 99 bottles of beer is, like, at http://www.ionet.net/~timtroyr/funhouse/beer.html |
| 04:29.33 | abrotman | Lightning: see .. this is why we use grub :) |
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| 04:30.54 | Starwatcher | thanks all for the help off to see if i can get this to work. been on it all day |
| 04:30.57 | Lightning | abrotman: i tried grub. the problem is that grub locks up during boot. lilo throws errors about ata2 or ata6. it flips back and forth. if it does ata6 errors then it boots linux. if it does ata2 errors it fails to boot |
| 04:31.05 | Malf | Starwatcher: good luck |
| 04:31.17 | Starwatcher | Malf I need it lol |
| 04:31.25 | abrotman | Lightning: anything wrong with the BIOS ? |
| 04:31.30 | Lightning | i was told that it was the dvd drive yet unplugging the dvd drive does not correct it. somewhere something funky happens during the boot that grub doesnt like and lilo half likes that i dont control |
| 04:31.33 | abrotman | Lightning: all drives functional etc ? |
| 04:31.49 | Lightning | abrotman: all drives functional and working. 2 onboard sata controllers. i think that is where the trouble comes from |
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| 04:32.11 | abrotman | Lightning: how did you reinstall lilo ? |
| 04:32.34 | Lightning | booted the debian cd in expert mode. went far enough into the install to load up the cdrom components then went to the shell |
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| 04:32.57 | Lightning | mount -t jfs /dev/sda1 /root ln -s /root/boot /boot /root/sbin/lilo -M /dev/sda1 mbr |
| 04:33.24 | Lightning | that didnt fix it. replacing sda1 with sdc1 did fix it (although sda1 is my linux drive and marked as the boot drive. go figure) |
| 04:33.57 | Lightning | although let me reboot and reverify that the boot drive in the bios is the first drive in the system |
| 04:33.59 | abrotman | are your devices being switched ? |
| 04:34.12 | abrotman | erm .. probed in a different order |
| 04:34.13 | Lightning | somewhere, yes |
| 04:34.22 | Lightning | but not sure where/why |
| 04:34.26 | Lightning | hence grub hosing |
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| 04:34.47 | Lightning | ok, boot drive order is the same as the order found by the bios |
| 04:34.51 | Lightning | 5 drives |
| 04:35.29 | Lightning | dvd is sata2 |
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| 04:35.56 | Lightning | any way to id the drives in the shell? |
| 04:36.08 | Lightning | to see what they show up as in the probe |
| 04:36.40 | abrotman | grub can use UUID for drives |
| 04:36.55 | Lightning | care to help? wanted to use grub originally :) |
| 04:37.35 | Lightning | not even sure how to find the uuid |
| 04:39.14 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 04:39.14 | dpkg | uuid is, like, a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
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| 04:52.34 | Lightning | just told grub a uuid, see what it does |
| 04:52.40 | Lightning | doh! "Starting windows..." |
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| 04:53.38 | cl1 | can debian run off of an hfs file system? |
| 04:53.50 | Lightning | not sure myself |
| 04:53.53 | abrotman | Lightning: is that bad ? |
| 04:54.07 | abrotman | cl1: hfs or hfsplus ? |
| 04:54.21 | cl1 | hfs+ |
| 04:54.43 | abrotman | i think hfs+ is read-only .. but double check |
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| 04:55.56 | cl1 | hfs would prolly be okay as well, i'm trying to install linux under boot camp on my macbook, and wanted to be able to mount my linux partition in os x (it doesn' t have support for ext) |
| 04:56.25 | abrotman | what? that doesn't make sense |
| 04:57.01 | cl1 | sure it does, when i'm booted into osx i wanna be able to mount the partition that linux is installed on |
| 04:57.11 | abrotman | no .. i meant that OSX sucks that bad :) |
| 04:57.35 | cl1 | os x is nice for day to day stuff for me |
| 04:58.24 | jeffwheeler | cl1: I find OS X useful for being ugly with; it's sometimes nice to be able to install random crap to test how stuff works without having to do things the "right" way like I try on Debian |
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| 04:59.15 | Lightning | ok, win2k is on /dev/sdc1, linux is on /dev/sda1. how can i ident the maker/etc of sda1 and sdc1? |
| 04:59.42 | abrotman | from windows or linux ? |
| 05:00.25 | abrotman | Lightning: dmesg | grep sda ? |
| 05:00.56 | Lightning | aha, /dev/disk/by-id |
| 05:01.09 | Lightning | why dont /dev/disk/* show up under normal boot i wonder |
| 05:02.01 | Lightning | aha, primary sata is the first disk but is /dev/sdc while my 3rd sata is showing up as /dev/sda1 |
| 05:02.02 | Lightning | go figure |
| 05:02.17 | Lightning | so... |
| 05:03.00 | abrotman | Lightning: that sounds .. painful |
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| 05:04.41 | Lightning | wonder why it is doing that but oh well |
| 05:04.55 | wols_ | first come first serve |
| 05:05.01 | wols_ | whatever gets loaded first is sda |
| 05:05.01 | Lightning | let me set a uuid |
| 05:05.32 | Lightning | wols_: sadly, that is when i get grub and lilo hosing as sometimes a drive will jump positions and go from ata2 to ata6 and i dont boot :) |
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| 05:06.00 | wols_ | that is BIOS |
| 05:06.25 | Lightning | ummmmmm |
| 05:06.29 | Lightning | grub hates me |
| 05:06.39 | DawnLight | grub love ya |
| 05:06.55 | Lightning | ata2.00: cmd .... cpu 0: machine check exception: 4 bank 4: ... kernel panic |
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| 05:07.00 | screamingbytes | evening all |
| 05:07.02 | wols_ | grub has nothing to do with it. grub doesn't assign it, it takes what it gets from BIOS |
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| 05:07.38 | Lightning | ata2 should be my dvd drive |
| 05:08.00 | Lightning | nevermind, that is sdc, aka wincrap |
| 05:08.13 | wols_ | your DVD drive has NOTHING to do with that iether since it's not a harddisk and doesn't show up in bios like hdds |
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| 05:08.18 | wols_ | there is no drive 0x80 for DVDs |
| 05:09.15 | Lightning | and now that drive is ata6 |
| 05:09.36 | Lightning | and kernel panic again |
| 05:09.41 | Lightning | let me unplug that drive |
| 05:09.42 | wols_ | with ata2 and ata6 do you mean the speeds it runs again? |
| 05:09.57 | wols_ | *it runs at |
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| 05:10.16 | Lightning | no, ata2 assigned to sdc, ata6 assigned to sde |
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| 05:10.29 | Lightning | yet it is the same physical hd, random boots, random locations |
| 05:10.30 | jack | hi |
| 05:10.52 | jack | is it a good idea to share /home/user across multiple distros? |
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| 05:11.09 | DawnLight | jack: no |
| 05:11.12 | wols_ | the name of your linuce devices and the place in BIOS are different things |
| 05:11.42 | wols_ | jack: we cannot comment on different distros |
| 05:11.48 | wols_ | and it depends what stuff you run |
| 05:11.51 | jack | so what should i do if i wanna keep some configurations for applications like firefox and thunderbird files |
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| 05:12.07 | jack | rss aggregator and podcast, etc |
| 05:12.12 | jack | would symlinks work? |
| 05:12.14 | wols_ | you should try and keep the versions of these programs in sync |
| 05:12.25 | wols_ | so that their configurations are the same too |
| 05:12.34 | jack | would symlinks work? |
| 05:12.35 | DawnLight | jack: why use several distros? |
| 05:12.42 | wols_ | jack: no they wouldn't |
| 05:12.56 | jack | well i experiment quite a bit, so i usually have 1 working os |
| 05:12.56 | wols_ | or rather, the're not important |
| 05:13.00 | jack | and 1 to play around with |
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| 05:13.23 | DawnLight | jack: why around with a chroot |
| 05:13.25 | emma | what is iceape? |
| 05:13.31 | DawnLight | jack: play around with a chroot |
| 05:13.35 | wols_ | !iceape |
| 05:13.35 | dpkg | methinks iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 05:14.16 | emma | I don't understand the last sentence. |
| 05:14.23 | emma | what does a person do with an 'internet suite' |
| 05:14.26 | jack | well chroot still doesn't give you the experience, as opposed to running the distro |
| 05:14.30 | DawnLight | emma: wear it |
| 05:14.37 | jack | so lets consider another situation |
| 05:15.04 | jack | suppose i have 2 users with different usernames in 2 distros |
| 05:15.16 | DawnLight | jack: you know rsync? |
| 05:15.20 | jack | if i want to synchronize some settings for firefox, thunderbird,etc |
| 05:15.30 | jack | i thought that was for version management |
| 05:15.50 | emma | i just noticed that my distro comes with iceape so I wondered what it was. |
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| 05:16.05 | jack | but i was thinking of writing something that would do "mv /home/usr1/.firefox /home/usr/2/.firefox" |
| 05:16.11 | DawnLight | jack: rsync may help you but what you want to be doing would require the better part of your day |
| 05:16.20 | Lightning | still get a kernel panic |
| 05:16.25 | Lightning | let me try lilo again |
| 05:16.40 | jack | what do you mean? |
| 05:17.05 | DawnLight | jack: anyway i can think of doing this would require sweat and tears |
| 05:17.08 | jack | wouldn't an mv effectively move the configuration files each time i boot? |
| 05:17.21 | jack | when set to run when the machine boots |
| 05:17.24 | emma | Do any of you ever use iceape? |
| 05:17.50 | jack | i only really need a few application settings synced, namely firefox, thunderbird, opera, etc |
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| 05:18.04 | DawnLight | jack: try to get some plugin for firefox which stores your preferences in a remote account and fetches them for you |
| 05:18.04 | Perplexed_Entity | greetings |
| 05:18.07 | jack | also, wouldn't rsync require me to keep 2 copies? |
| 05:18.26 | Perplexed_Entity | good morning DawnLight |
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| 05:18.37 | jack | i don't understand why an mv of the .files woulod not work? |
| 05:18.44 | DawnLight | good morning Perplexed_Entity |
| 05:18.57 | DawnLight | i shine my light upon you all |
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| 05:19.06 | Perplexed_Entity | Forsooth. |
| 05:19.23 | Perplexed_Entity | say, i fixed my issue the other day |
| 05:19.31 | DawnLight | jack: bad idea |
| 05:19.38 | Perplexed_Entity | turns out i had something in the kernel that didn't like SATA |
| 05:19.42 | jack | could you explain? |
| 05:19.43 | emma | I don't understand what is the difference between Iceape (internet suite) and a web browser. |
| 05:19.51 | emma | How is iceape different than firefox? |
| 05:19.53 | DawnLight | jack: i'd try the plugin way first |
| 05:20.04 | jack | icecap has mail, html editors, etc |
| 05:20.12 | jack | thing is, i've moved my configurations around before |
| 05:20.13 | Perplexed_Entity | beat me to it :P |
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| 05:20.33 | jack | and firefox seems to work well with just profiles moved |
| 05:20.38 | Perplexed_Entity | but yeah, an internet suite has most things an internet power user would need |
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| 05:21.37 | Perplexed_Entity | also, sorry if this may be a smidge off-topic: anyone have good experience with dual booting? |
| 05:21.44 | DawnLight | jack: do yourseld a favour and don't do these things. either that or help develop this as features |
| 05:21.57 | emma | im not even seeing any html editor in iceape. |
| 05:22.13 | jack | i just don't know why it would be a problem |
| 05:22.13 | Perplexed_Entity | i want to dual boot without tanking my grub or moving partitions around, since the debian one is the first: possible? |
| 05:23.03 | DawnLight | jack: because of version differences and unexpected pain and suffering |
| 05:23.14 | emma | i use ubuntu and it seems to be an awful lot like debian. |
| 05:23.28 | Perplexed_Entity | uh |
| 05:23.46 | emma | it says that iceape is debian but it's included with my ubuntu. |
| 05:23.47 | Perplexed_Entity | that's because it's based on debian, but it's not debian. there's an ubuntu channel for that |
| 05:24.04 | Lightning | emma: ubuntu is a debian takeoff |
| 05:24.06 | jack | okay thanks |
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| 05:24.13 | jack | also |
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| 05:24.17 | Perplexed_Entity | (ripoff *cough*) |
| 05:24.26 | Lightning | i was being polite :) |
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| 05:24.34 | emma | What is the fundamental difference between ubuntu and debian? Anything really substantial? |
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| 05:24.41 | jack | it's possible to wget on one machine and move the partially downloaded file to another machine and resume the download, right? |
| 05:24.44 | Perplexed_Entity | yes, yes you were. :D |
| 05:25.07 | Lightning | jack: should be able to |
| 05:25.23 | Lightning | emma: if you find something substantial please let me know :P |
| 05:25.29 | jack | what about bit-torrent downloads? |
| 05:25.29 | Tramp | emma: well, for example debian is supported here and ubuntu in #ubuntu |
| 05:25.39 | emma | lol Tramp thats it?! |
| 05:25.47 | Perplexed_Entity | emma: imagine two cars sharing the same architecture, but sold as different models by different brands |
| 05:25.48 | Starwatcher | Malf the one-line I need some clarification one |
| 05:25.51 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: from an installed debian you can run grub-install. man grub-install. installing another os now could overwrite grub so have a grub floppy/cd ready and make sure you know how to use it to boot debian |
| 05:26.03 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: what do you want do dual-boot and what does "tanking my grub" mean? |
| 05:26.06 | Perplexed_Entity | you can't take one of them to the other car's garace. there's a reason for that :P |
| 05:26.10 | Malf | Starwatcher: What's up/where are you at? |
| 05:26.24 | Tramp | emma: that's one substantial difference 8) |
| 05:26.29 | emma | I some times have this feeling that while I started out with Ubuntu, if I ever grow up I should eventually use Debian. |
| 05:26.35 | Perplexed_Entity | yo Tramp, good to see you. |
| 05:26.38 | Malf | ahaha |
| 05:26.44 | Malf | that should be debian's new slogan |
| 05:26.56 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: yeah, but i couldn't get it to boot the windows partition (NTFS) |
| 05:27.11 | Lightning | please do, i've always viewed redhat and debian as the first versions and have prefered debian for years myself |
| 05:27.11 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: grub can boot windows |
| 05:27.12 | Starwatcher | do I type it exactlly it shows or do I modify it for the kernel I want? |
| 05:27.26 | Malf | uhh |
| 05:27.28 | Malf | one second |
| 05:27.31 | Perplexed_Entity | i want to dual boot debby and XP, without creating a FAT partition for the actual booting |
| 05:27.45 | Nyle | !debian.exe |
| 05:27.45 | dpkg | it has been said that debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
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| 05:28.07 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: in the grub manual there is an example for an entry in the menu.list to chainload the Win Bootloader |
| 05:28.14 | Malf | as long as you're running etch you should be able to type it as is I think |
| 05:28.25 | Ryan52 | I have setup a loghost. What port do I need to open on my firewall to allow servers to log to it? |
| 05:28.26 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: no need for that kind of dirt. grub can boot windows xp. configuration is easier than booting debian |
| 05:28.35 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, i saw that; didn't work tho' |
| 05:28.38 | Starwatcher | hmm I did that and it hung |
| 05:28.52 | Malf | With that as your line? |
| 05:28.56 | Malf | what I just messaged you |
| 05:29.04 | Starwatcher | yep |
| 05:29.06 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: no reason for it not to work if you choose the right partition |
| 05:29.15 | Malf | and you're on etch? |
| 05:29.21 | Starwatcher | yep |
| 05:29.30 | Malf | that's exciting... |
| 05:29.32 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: but i read via google that windows demands to be on the first partition |
| 05:29.48 | Malf | did you type it manually or just copy/paste it? |
| 05:29.51 | Perplexed_Entity | or on a partition physically located before everything else anyway |
| 05:29.55 | emma | Windows has to be on a primary partition. |
| 05:30.15 | Perplexed_Entity | well, of course. |
| 05:30.17 | emma | Not a logical one. |
| 05:30.21 | Nyle | emma: um.. everything is on a primary partition |
| 05:30.24 | Malf | Since there are various quotes, backquotes, etc that could make it tricky to type out |
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| 05:30.30 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: what does your entry for XP in menu.list look like and what is your HD layout? |
| 05:30.31 | Perplexed_Entity | how would that boot otherwise?V :P |
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| 05:30.38 | Nyle | emma: windows creates a primary > extended > partition > ntfs. |
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| 05:30.42 | Perplexed_Entity | let me check that |
| 05:30.50 | emma | I made a separate partition for my home folder and it's a logical partition not a primary one. |
| 05:30.51 | Starwatcher | manually , i wan out of the gui and in terminal |
| 05:30.56 | Starwatcher | was |
| 05:31.08 | Nyle | umm.. logical partitions are INSIDE primary partitions |
| 05:31.24 | Perplexed_Entity | here, lemme make a pastebin... |
| 05:31.26 | Malf | Yeah. I found it easier to just copy/paste into an xterm while in the gui |
| 05:31.26 | Tramp | Nyle: No. They are inside the extended partition |
| 05:31.30 | Nyle | er.. yeh |
| 05:31.33 | Nyle | thats what I meant |
| 05:31.35 | emma | I have root as primary 1 and my home partition is logical 6 |
| 05:31.40 | emma | so what does that mean? |
| 05:32.01 | Starwatcher | ok that install can be done while still in gui??? |
| 05:32.27 | Starwatcher | most require you out of X |
| 05:32.29 | Malf | If you'd be more comfortable you could copy it and save it to a file |
| 05:32.40 | Nyle | man I'm hungry |
| 05:32.41 | Nyle | damn |
| 05:32.45 | karsten | emma: Debian is Deep Space Nine. |
| 05:32.48 | Perplexed_Entity | http://pastebin.com/m7f4f3d15 winXP lines |
| 05:32.50 | Malf | and then run it from the file in console |
| 05:32.59 | Perplexed_Entity | also, let me jot down the partition layout |
| 05:33.03 | Malf | or display the file to make sure what you type matches it |
| 05:33.09 | karsten | emma: Never apply a Babylon Six solution to a Deep Space Nine problem. |
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| 05:33.31 | Starwatcher | ok will try it again, thanks |
| 05:33.36 | emma | well i may have made a mistake when i tried to make a home partition. |
| 05:34.13 | Malf | yep |
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| 05:34.13 | Malf | hopefully it works out better this time |
| 05:34.13 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: I'm pretty sure you need "rootnoverify", not "root". Maybe reread the doc, I think it says so |
| 05:34.13 | emma | but hopefully it makes no difference that my home folder is on sda6 ( a logical partition) |
| 05:34.13 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: just use the grub command line with the tab button to see your options and try the different partitions until you get it. and what's with the mapping? |
| 05:34.13 | karsten | emma: WRT logical/primary: there's really no particular impact of that within Linux, the split is an artifact of the early PC partitioning scheme in which only four primary partitions were allowed. |
| 05:34.19 | Starwatcher | one thing how does it know which kernel to download, this is a amd system |
| 05:34.50 | Perplexed_Entity | layout: sda1 debian, primary, sda2 logical, sda3 swap in logical, sda4 ext3 in logical, sda5 fat32 primary, sda6 NTFS primary with XP |
| 05:34.53 | Malf | amd 64? or just regular amd 32? |
| 05:34.58 | Starwatcher | 32 |
| 05:35.06 | karsten | emma: The upshot is simply that if you want more than four partitions, you have to create at least one extended partition and populate it with logical partitions. The only time *that* matters is when you partition. And you end up with one extended partition which you don't actually mount. |
| 05:35.14 | Malf | it gets the kernel name with this piece of the script: |
| 05:35.16 | Nyle | karsten: hahahahaha star trek |
| 05:35.16 | Malf | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r |
| 05:35.18 | karsten | emma: Usually /dev/hda4, though that's just convention. |
| 05:35.20 | Malf | the `uname -r |
| 05:35.26 | Starwatcher | ok thought so lol |
| 05:35.28 | Malf | gets the right numbers for your kernel |
| 05:35.30 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: that's the problem, i didn't really grasp the syntax for those partitions |
| 05:35.33 | Malf | through a system call |
| 05:35.49 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: just try via the grub command line |
| 05:35.50 | emma | Hm, did you guys start out on Debian? |
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| 05:36.14 | Starwatcher | ok again thank be back with good news maybe lol |
| 05:36.20 | Malf | I hope so |
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| 05:36.33 | DawnLight | emma: i started with ubuntu and it took little time to get to debian from there |
| 05:36.34 | karsten | emma: For various versions of Windows, in particular, the system had to be installed on the first primary partition. I believe that restriction was lifted with WinXP or WinNT. |
| 05:36.37 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: yes, but try what? i didn't get the syntax of the "map" lines |
| 05:36.56 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: no need for those |
| 05:36.58 | Malf | emma: I started on debian, though I'd spent a fair amount of time with a friend who started on redhat and went to slackware before that so I was already somewhat familiar with linux |
| 05:37.02 | emma | My secret goal is to 'graduate' from Ubuntu and switch to Debian eventually. |
| 05:37.16 | karsten | emma: For Linux, your bootloader is installed either on the MBR or the first bootable partition, and your boot partition is pretty much anywhere you want. |
| 05:37.19 | Nyle | emma: that is a mighty fine goal |
| 05:37.22 | Perplexed_Entity | no? you mean i only need the "root" line? |
| 05:37.23 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: at least i never had a need |
| 05:37.26 | karsten | emma: Don't tell anyone. |
| 05:37.37 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: did you read what I wrote about "rootnoverify"? |
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| 05:37.51 | Lightning | uuid refernces only mountable partitions. what about the swap partition? |
| 05:37.52 | emma | well don't tell them in Ubuntu or they might shun me. |
| 05:38.01 | Nyle | my goat is to go from a debian user to a contributor |
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| 05:38.03 | Nyle | er.. |
| 05:38.05 | Nyle | goal |
| 05:38.05 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, i did but i was pondering that |
| 05:38.06 | Liono | can some body tell me where can i have kiosktool guide or help web page? kubuntu |
| 05:38.11 | Lightning | or at least only the first partition of drives |
| 05:38.12 | karsten | emma: Well, if you tell anyone, it's not a secret anymore. |
| 05:38.13 | Perplexed_Entity | because i tried with that one too |
| 05:38.25 | Malf | Nyle: An equally noble goat and goal |
| 05:38.28 | jack | anyone tried the windows installer for debian? |
| 05:38.29 | Nyle | lol |
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| 05:38.38 | DawnLight | emma: debian isn't harder than ubuntu... |
| 05:38.42 | karsten | jack: No, not even the people who've tried it. |
| 05:38.44 | Nyle | jack: yes |
| 05:38.48 | ubajas | My goat... |
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| 05:38.52 | Perplexed_Entity | alright, so i should ditch the "map" lines and specify the XP root under rootnoverify, right? |
| 05:38.59 | Nyle | !tell jack -about anyone |
| 05:39.03 | jack | how was it? |
| 05:39.12 | Nyle | as good as yo momma |
| 05:39.19 | Nyle | oooooh burn! ;) j/k bro |
| 05:39.21 | Nyle | relax |
| 05:39.25 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:39.26 | karsten | jack: Light and fruity with a smooth body and warm aroma. |
| 05:39.41 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: until now you didn't care to tell me, what your disk-layout actually looks like. Or I missed it, because you don't prefix what you write with my nick |
| 05:39.44 | emma | Once I 'conquer the command line' then I will feel I have beaten Ubuntu and I will go to level 2 -- Debian. |
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| 05:39.53 | jack | right i might give it ago on one of my dad's pcs |
| 05:39.59 | Nyle | emma: stop talking about it and /msg dpkg grounding |
| 05:40.01 | Nyle | get to it |
| 05:40.13 | Perplexed_Entity | sorry Tramp :P here was: layout: sda1 debian, primary, sda2 logical, sda3 swap in logical, sda4 ext3 in logical, sda5 fat32 primary, sda6 NTFS primary with XP |
| 05:40.14 | Malf | emma: Just watch out for level 3 - NetBSD on a toaster. That boss is hard to take down. |
| 05:40.45 | Perplexed_Entity | so i should set the rootnoverify line to point to sda6, right? |
| 05:40.54 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: if you have only 1 disk, you don't need to map anything |
| 05:41.09 | Perplexed_Entity | eh, i have a SATA and an IDE |
| 05:41.23 | Nyle | sata _IS_ IDE |
| 05:41.26 | emma | I don't know what it will mean to have 'beaten Debian' but I would like to eventually get to the Gentoo and Slackware levels, and finally, the last level, LFS. And if I master that then I will have beaten Linux. |
| 05:41.35 | Perplexed_Entity | FINE, SATA and PATA :P |
| 05:41.56 | DawnLight | emma: chill out |
| 05:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: yeah, and in the next step, you must make your own OS by inserting bits into a CPU with tweezers |
| 05:42.00 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: well, everything is on sda, right? |
| 05:42.08 | jack | is the debian stable release outdated? for desktop usage |
| 05:42.16 | Malf | emma: The Gentoo level is boring. You spend all day waiting for it to compile. |
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| 05:42.32 | Malf | jack: Not anymore. Around a year ago it might've been. |
| 05:42.34 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: nope, PATA uses the hd* naming scheme |
| 05:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: hehe... NOT true... there's still the kernel-programming level :) |
| 05:43.03 | emma | that's like a secret level. |
| 05:43.05 | Malf | jack: Or however long ago Sarge came out. My memory is awful tonight. |
| 05:43.11 | Perplexed_Entity | currently it's like this: SATA with the layout above, and PATA completely blank |
| 05:43.12 | Nyle | emma: this isn't a game |
| 05:43.19 | Malf | jack: Since then they've been keeping stable pretty well up to date. |
| 05:43.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: anyways - I don't really think different distributions are like different difficulty levels...they really aren't - they just have different aims |
| 05:43.23 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: *sigh*. Ok. With "everything" I mean the tow OSs you want to boot, as you wrote above |
| 05:43.51 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: sorry :P yeah, they're both on the SATA disk |
| 05:43.57 | jack | hmm i'll probably go with testing-lenny, how stable is that? |
| 05:44.00 | DawnLight | Nyle: to her it's a game and it is ok |
| 05:44.05 | Perplexed_Entity | debian is the first partition, XP is the last one |
| 05:44.14 | Malf | jack: I've never seen it break. I've run testing since very shortly after I started with debian. |
| 05:44.14 | Nyle | eh.. women. |
| 05:44.23 | Nyle | always playing games. |
| 05:44.23 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: natural order of things |
| 05:44.25 | Perplexed_Entity | jack: pretty stable by me. a little iffy, but it works |
| 05:44.28 | Malf | jack: To me debian testing has felt like the stable release of other distros. |
| 05:44.40 | jack | yeah that's what i figured |
| 05:44.40 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: ok. So first simply try without map but with rootnoverify (hd0,5) (and the chainloader entry as it is) |
| 05:44.44 | Nyle | dude sid is more stable than ubunti |
| 05:44.46 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: i know, i like to keep my ducks out of row :P |
| 05:44.46 | Malf | jack: Once in a while you'll get something kind of screwy |
| 05:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: like... you see - LFS probably teaches you a lot about installing software and about how things work - but I would think updating it is a real pain and dependency-hell because you HAVE the dependencies but you cannot see them... |
| 05:45.02 | Malf | jack: Like oh crap my fonts are weird in program X. Or something like that. |
| 05:45.04 | emma | I like to think of it as a game. Because for me, there were three reasons I switched to Linux and the third reason is because I want to learn about something related to computers inside and out. |
| 05:45.09 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: still need savedefault and makeactive tho', right? |
| 05:45.10 | karsten | emma: The hardest part of the command line is learning *not* to type with a Bronx accent. |
| 05:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten: speak forr yourself, mister |
| 05:45.36 | Nyle | karsten: or brooklyn |
| 05:45.46 | Nyle | god i hate new yorkers |
| 05:45.47 | Malf | emma: Read up on assembly. That forces you to learn computers inside and out real quick. |
| 05:45.52 | DawnLight | Perplexed_Entity: actually, if you take the windows out of it's partition and put it somewhere else it would be even more orderly |
| 05:45.55 | Nyle | apart from the fine debian people residing in new york |
| 05:46.09 | Perplexed_Entity | DawnLight: :P |
| 05:46.20 | karsten | Nyle: Yeah, yeah, youze godda problem w'dat? |
| 05:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight: you mean like... on a disk that you throw out of the window? |
| 05:46.27 | Nyle | this NY, its not even a society |
| 05:46.30 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: probably you don't need it, but it will not hurt. well, scratch the makeactive, a logical partition can not be active |
| 05:46.32 | Nyle | its like a fucking zoo |
| 05:46.45 | karsten | emma: http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml |
| 05:46.47 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: XP is on a primary partition tho' |
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| 05:47.09 | karsten | emma: ... though he runs OS X now. |
| 05:47.11 | jack | hi this is not really debian specific, but would linux be considered a real time operating system? |
| 05:47.24 | Perplexed_Entity | alright, i should have enough info to take another go at it. i'll be right back with results :) |
| 05:47.33 | jack | i'm thinking yes because the kernel uses timers. |
| 05:47.37 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: ah, sorry, was reading too fast. Well, then leave it in (although I guess XP does not care if the partitio is active or not) |
| 05:47.38 | Malf | jack: typically no |
| 05:47.47 | karsten | jack: Depends on who your talking to. There are specific RTOS implimentations of Linux. |
| 05:47.49 | Malf | jack: I think there is a real-time linux or two out there |
| 05:48.31 | karsten | jack: There are a lot of embedded systems using Linux. There are tweaks you can make to process timing priority to guarantee process servicing within a given time interval (or come close). |
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| 05:49.18 | Nyle | hah |
| 05:49.22 | Nyle | cryptonimicon |
| 05:49.35 | jack | alright, |
| 05:49.48 | emma | hey if you have a separate partition for your home folder can you install different distros as root while keeping your home folder intact? |
| 05:49.52 | karsten | Nyle: It's copied from NS's site of the same name. That's actually his essay "In The Beginning Was the Command Line". |
| 05:49.59 | karsten | emma: Yes. |
| 05:50.06 | Nyle | karsten: um... Necronomicon. |
| 05:50.11 | jack | is computer engineering or computer science more helpful if i eventually want to work in the area of os kernel development? |
| 05:50.14 | Nyle | The Necronomicon. |
| 05:50.18 | karsten | emma: You'll have to ensure your UID (numeric) is the same in each /etc/passwd instance. |
| 05:50.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: yes... but beware of version changes in the software vs. dot-files in $HOME |
| 05:50.37 | karsten | jack: Experience matters most. Depends on the program. |
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| 05:50.42 | DawnLight | Nyle: the giger's painting? |
| 05:50.45 | Malf | emma: And make sure you don't put some nutty filesystem for the home folder partition. |
| 05:51.07 | oomph | hello there, im looking on the debian site and can not seem to find a net install download link for testing |
| 05:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malf: wooot? nutty filesystems are all the fun... (what's a nutty filesystem anyways?) |
| 05:51.12 | emma | my homefolder partition is ext3 |
| 05:51.12 | oomph | would anyone have one handy? |
| 05:51.13 | jack | could you suggest a channel where i can discuss this topic further? don't wanna flood this channel with unrelated things |
| 05:51.16 | karsten | emma: What CutMeOwnThroat just said. There are a few apps (bash in particular) which have somewhat incompatible features at different versions. |
| 05:51.17 | Nyle | !d-i oomph |
| 05:51.17 | dpkg | oomph, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:51.28 | Malf | CutMeOwnThroat: SnickersOs |
| 05:51.34 | karsten | emma: ext3 isn't a problem. Passing the wrong config options to an appmight be. |
| 05:51.36 | Nyle | oomph: 2nd link |
| 05:52.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten/emma I more meant something like kde (I don't use it, but people using it had problems when there were version differences on two different machines sharing the same home) |
| 05:52.13 | Perplexed_Entity | BOOYAH, it booted. |
| 05:52.35 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah. I generally have this experience on remote hosts. I run WindowMaker as my desktop, it's been pretty consistent over time. |
| 05:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malf: you're makint that one up |
| 05:52.38 | oomph | Nyle, 2.0r2? |
| 05:52.42 | Malf | Malf: true.. |
| 05:52.47 | oomph | nm i found it |
| 05:52.50 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:52.51 | Perplexed_Entity | turns out it was hd0,2, oddly enough |
| 05:52.51 | oomph | thank you] |
| 05:52.57 | Nyle | oomph: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:53.21 | Perplexed_Entity | thanks Tramp, DawnLight :) |
| 05:53.27 | Nyle | !beer Perplexed_Entity |
| 05:53.28 | emma | another option would be to get several cheap pc's and install all different distros on them. |
| 05:53.39 | emma | you can get pretty cheap pcs i would imagine. |
| 05:53.48 | karsten | emma: Or try them out under emulation. |
| 05:53.51 | emma | can debian, ubuntu, and gentoo be linked in a network? |
| 05:53.53 | Nyle | emma: or just a whole crapload of ram and a decent dual core cpu and virtualox |
| 05:53.54 | Nyle | box |
| 05:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: or buy a couple of 4GB or 8GB USB sticks and see if you can make them boot :) |
| 05:54.13 | Malf | emma: Yeah if you're looking for a brief taste I'd just go the VM route |
| 05:54.16 | karsten | emma: virtualbox, uml, qemu, vmware. |
| 05:54.19 | karsten | ... or Xen. |
| 05:54.24 | Nyle | ugh xen |
| 05:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma: we call it "internet" :) |
| 05:54.35 | Nyle | nasty makin me wanna kill it xen |
| 05:54.41 | Malf | emma: Plus I suspect after picking a distro to stick with for a while you aren't really going to want to muck around with all of the others that much |
| 05:54.44 | Nyle | why is it called xen (zen) |
| 05:54.51 | Nyle | its not peaceful.. it pisses you off |
| 05:54.53 | Nyle | :( |
| 05:54.58 | Tramp | DawnLight: so I guess it works... |
| 05:54.59 | Perplexed_Entity | :P |
| 05:55.08 | Nyle | Perplexed_Entity: those are my piercings |
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| 05:55.44 | Perplexed_Entity | whoops, thought they were clickable. my bad Oo |
| 05:55.52 | Nyle | word |
| 05:56.05 | Nyle | I am bored, and there is nothing interesting going on in here |
| 05:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | mastrubate, then |
| 05:56.20 | Tramp | Perplexed_Entity: (hd0,2)?? and you sure that the layout you gave before is correct? |
| 05:56.26 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: eh.. |
| 05:56.45 | Perplexed_Entity | Nyle: fart around with your debby until something happens, then admire it :) |
| 05:56.56 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:57.06 | Perplexed_Entity | Tramp: 100% sure, don't ask me why |
| 05:57.13 | Perplexed_Entity | i'm baffled as much as you are. |
| 05:57.14 | Nyle | that did not sound right |
| 05:57.20 | Tramp | hmm. well. ok then. |
| 05:57.47 | Perplexed_Entity | now, i would never say something compromisingly ambiguous. :P |
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| 05:57.56 | Nyle | we got one chic here trying to learn every goddamn distro there is |
| 05:58.09 | Nyle | and then we got this dude here speaking words even my dictionary doesn't know |
| 05:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: simple problem, simple solution |
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| 05:58.41 | Malf | CutMeOwnThroat: Suicide? That's your answer to everything. |
| 05:58.51 | Nyle | I don't have any problems with that :) |
| 05:59.00 | Nyle | Malf: look at the nickname bro ;) |
| 05:59.08 | Malf | Nyle: I REFUSE TO SEE. |
| 05:59.09 | Perplexed_Entity | yeah, i seem to make any of the currently introduced effects. |
| 05:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Malf -about dibbler |
| 05:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malf: I guess that was what you were asking... |
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| 05:59.33 | Malf | hah |
| 05:59.39 | Nyle | then we got this dude here talking about dibbler |
| 06:00.18 | Nyle | boooooooooring |
| 06:00.27 | Perplexed_Entity | the debian community: more of a gas'n a walking circus! |
| 06:01.06 | Perplexed_Entity | Nyle: here's what i usually do |
| 06:01.16 | Nyle | Perplexed_Entity: Im not as educated as you |
| 06:01.21 | Nyle | please speak simple language |
| 06:01.26 | Perplexed_Entity | take a VM program of choice, and install any OS on it. |
| 06:01.38 | Perplexed_Entity | (alright, will do my best.) |
| 06:01.54 | Perplexed_Entity | then on that OS, install another VM or emulator of choice |
| 06:01.55 | Nyle | (english isn't my first language too) |
| 06:02.09 | Nyle | Perplexed_Entity: that seems so very mean |
| 06:02.16 | Nyle | why torture your cpu? |
| 06:02.19 | Perplexed_Entity | and install something on it (really? which language do you regularly speak?) |
| 06:02.31 | Nyle | I speak ebonics/slang |
| 06:02.35 | Perplexed_Entity | Nyle: to see when it starts acting funny :P |
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| 06:02.48 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:02.53 | Malf | Nyle: And if that doesn't work you can always try waterboarding |
| 06:02.56 | Perplexed_Entity | oh, i see. gangsta tongue |
| 06:03.10 | Malf | That'll show that CPU who's boss. |
| 06:03.15 | Perplexed_Entity | tru dat |
| 06:03.20 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:03.21 | Nyle | no |
| 06:03.24 | Nyle | I don't talk like that |
| 06:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... my advice sounds like more fun to me |
| 06:03.35 | Nyle | yeh but... |
| 06:03.38 | Perplexed_Entity | sorry, that's something i often say |
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| 06:03.41 | Perplexed_Entity | coincidence |
| 06:04.15 | Perplexed_Entity | well anyway, it's 7 AM |
| 06:04.28 | Perplexed_Entity | i'm gonna try and catch some Z's :D |
| 06:04.43 | karsten | emma: WRT linking computers: sure, throw up a LAN and network your systems. |
| 06:04.58 | karsten | emma: If they're virtual, you can link them over a virtual bridge. |
| 06:05.22 | Perplexed_Entity | later guys, see you next time ^^ |
| 06:05.32 | emma | I see. |
| 06:05.36 | emma | I was thinking of a LAN. |
| 06:05.58 | emma | I was thinking of finding some cheap computers and putting other distros on them. |
| 06:06.17 | emma | can they share a monitor? |
| 06:06.23 | karsten | emma: KVM |
| 06:06.38 | emma | !KVM |
| 06:06.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kvm is kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. |
| 06:06.42 | karsten | emma: Though in my experience that tends to degrade graphics performance markedly. |
| 06:07.10 | karsten | emma: (kvm == kbd/mon/mouse |
| 06:07.48 | emma | A physical switch would be better. |
| 06:07.59 | karsten | Sorry? |
| 06:08.05 | emma | You should just push a button and it switches the monitor to a different computer. |
| 06:08.14 | karsten | That's what a KVM *is*. |
| 06:08.27 | emma | I thought KVM was some kind of software. |
| 06:08.33 | karsten | You actually want the ones with some electronic guts. |
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| 06:08.51 | karsten | emma: So many good ideas, only 17,576 TLAs. |
| 06:09.05 | emma | What is TLA? |
| 06:09.15 | emma | !TLA |
| 06:09.15 | dpkg | tla is probably Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. <see arch> |
| 06:09.23 | emma | Hehe |
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| 06:10.22 | emma | i have to lay down to rest now |
| 06:10.41 | karsten | emma: Sleep is for wimps. |
| 06:10.55 | karsten | emma: Sweet dreams. |
| 06:10.57 | emma | true but that's me :) |
| 06:11.21 | emma | plus, i used to stay up more often, but I think it causes brain damage. Seriously I'm not even joking. People should beware. |
| 06:11.44 | emma | I think if you chronically miss sleep you will lower your IQ a little. And become worse at math. |
| 06:11.47 | karsten | emma: The voices in my head are telling me to ignore you. |
| 06:12.07 | emma | Oh dear. Well, goodnight then. :) |
| 06:12.23 | karsten | :) |
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| 06:15.21 | simonrvn | speaking of bad maths |
| 06:15.58 | karsten | *Somebody* got the joke. |
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| 06:16.32 | RaymondX | These girls will have a harder time sleeping when their daddies are back from Iraq ... lolz |
| 06:16.49 | karsten | RaymondX: ?? |
| 06:16.52 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 06:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | now there's somebody with really bad sleep deprivation... |
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| 06:35.48 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:35.48 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> A girl has invited me to learn it with her, from a video, in her bedroom :) |
| 06:38.34 | simonrvn | learn *what* is the question ;) |
| 06:40.18 | Penix | knitting |
| 06:40.59 | simonrvn | even better, macramé |
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| 06:47.32 | k-man | is there some way to verify that what i have installed matches the package contents? |
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| 06:49.18 | karsten | !debsums |
| 06:49.18 | dpkg | debsums is, like, a package that will check a packages files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 06:49.21 | peterrooney | k-man: debsums. or get MD5 sums from p.d.o |
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| 06:49.47 | peterrooney | k-man: and check the MD5's using a live CD |
| 06:50.07 | LimCore | hello |
| 06:50.09 | LimCore | is there any program that can display a .jpg or .png image? |
| 06:50.20 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:50.26 | liable | your web broswer can |
| 06:50.28 | k-man | thanks peterrooney |
| 06:50.59 | karsten | LimCore: feh, display, kview, others. |
| 06:51.05 | LimCore | liable: without stupid menus etc. just show the damn image in SIMPLE window |
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| 06:51.19 | liable | feh might be to your liking |
| 06:51.22 | peterrooney | k-man: you're welcome. liveCD is essential if you suspect a rootkit. |
| 06:51.34 | karsten | k-man: What peterrooney said. |
| 06:51.58 | peterrooney | k-man: preferably burned from a different machine |
| 06:51.59 | karsten | k-man: If validity of your system's in doubt, test from a known-good boot (usually LiveCD). |
| 06:52.31 | arussel | on a friend's computer, when he press some keys, a console hide/show from the top of the screen. Anyone knows how to do that ? |
| 06:52.33 | k-man | peterrooney: no rootkit suspected - just dodgey hardware |
| 06:53.04 | k-man | gnome-terminal just segfaults |
| 06:53.20 | k-man | i just installed testing using netinst |
| 06:53.59 | k-man | and i have had a few other strange issues |
| 06:54.27 | m4ggus | arussel: yakuake / kuake |
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| 06:54.56 | holycow | hi guys |
| 06:55.31 | holycow | is there an easy way to make a debian package out a compiled piece of software? say after make or somethink? |
| 06:55.34 | holycow | something even |
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| 06:56.54 | chandor | holycow: checkinstall |
| 06:57.48 | Miguel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.05 | holycow | aha! |
| 06:58.06 | holycow | danke! |
| 06:58.30 | Miguel | bitte! |
| 06:59.58 | arussel | m4ggus: thanks, exactly what I wanted. (who told you I was a kde guy :-) |
| 07:00.17 | m4ggus | arussel: hehe just a guess |
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| 07:09.58 | mech423 | hi all - anyone running Etch x86_64 on PDSMI+ (SuperMicro) boards ? I'm getting a lot of memory errors with this combination and 6G of ECC Ram ? |
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| 07:10.14 | pagenoare | hi, where is make.deb file? |
| 07:10.21 | pagenoare | i cant find it |
| 07:10.35 | pagenoare | on repos |
| 07:11.09 | pagenoare | i havent internet on sec computer and i want to get it and move to sec comp |
| 07:11.24 | liable | packages.debian.org |
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| 07:12.56 | karsten | mech423: Suspect dodgy RAM, bad caps, or BIOS issues. |
| 07:13.19 | karsten | mech423: Check /var/log/messages for any clues. Segfaults, Sig11, or chipkill errors would be of particular interest. |
| 07:13.26 | c0m | trying to print out strings from a file that match a regex |
| 07:13.37 | c0m | grep -e 'pattern' -f file doesn't seem to work |
| 07:13.39 | karsten | mech423: Run memtest86+ for 8+ hours (or until failure) as well. Note that you'll have to take the system offline for that. |
| 07:13.46 | mech423 | Karsten: RAM is fine - caps or BIOS could - but it appears this board runs i686 distro's fine. btw - I have 2 machines with the same problem |
| 07:13.58 | pagenoare | liable: thanks |
| 07:14.09 | liable | yw |
| 07:14.10 | karsten | mech423: ... and/or run a loop of heavy (-j<n=4x CPUs or cores>) kernel compiles. |
| 07:14.19 | mech423 | karsten: and I just benched one for 4 days running memtest86+ - zero ram errors. Even checked I'm using the recommended ram _chips_ in the machine |
| 07:14.19 | karsten | mech423: Symptoms? |
| 07:14.27 | karsten | mech423: Ok. |
| 07:14.34 | karsten | mech423: That's good first steps. |
| 07:15.05 | karsten | mech423: So this only happens w/ 64-bit kernel? How much RAM? |
| 07:15.21 | karsten | mech423: ... and just out of curiosity, does memtest86+ actually test *all* your memory? |
| 07:15.29 | mech423 | karsten: appears to be - I haven't run a 32bit distro in a while - ram is 6G ECC |
| 07:15.30 | karsten | 6GB ... Hrm... |
| 07:15.42 | karsten | Yeah, missed that the first time. |
| 07:15.47 | mech423 | karsten: it seems over 6000M - I didn't do the actual math |
| 07:15.55 | mech423 | s/seems/sees/ |
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| 07:16.06 | karsten | mech423: What symptoms are you seeing? And check to see if any of those errors I mentioned are showing up in logs. |
| 07:16.20 | karsten | mech423: Yeah, IIRC what memtest86+ does is test the memory in 2 GB swatches. |
| 07:16.28 | karsten | mech423: ... though I'm fuzzy on that. |
| 07:16.38 | mech423 | yeah - I didn't bother to multiply out by 1024 |
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| 07:17.47 | mech423 | karsten: the production boxes are running xen - if I use the 'xen console' command - I occasionally see a process has segfaulted (vm keeps running). on non-vm I can even finish the etch install |
| 07:17.54 | Deathmetalman | 463535 - logout hangs with libgtk2.0-0 2.12.5-2 |
| 07:18.06 | Deathmetalman | has anyone ever faced it? |
| 07:18.15 | mech423 | karsten: for instance - I get 'bad' packages during download and gunzip can't unpack them |
| 07:18.23 | Deathmetalman | i'm unpgrading it and it's one of its grave bugs |
| 07:18.31 | mech423 | karsten: running 'install mem=1024M' 'fixes' the problem |
| 07:18.59 | karsten | mech423: Try swapping around your RAM and re-running memtest86+, for grins. |
| 07:19.09 | karsten | mech423: I'm still leaning toward bad RAM. |
| 07:19.13 | mech423 | karsten: been there, done that |
| 07:19.22 | karsten | mech423: 64 v. 32, addressable space, etc. |
| 07:19.24 | karsten | mech423: And? |
| 07:19.49 | mech423 | karsten: memtest86 is happy as a clam - never _any_ errors |
| 07:20.02 | mech423 | karsten: not even the odd transient |
| 07:20.21 | karsten | mech423: I have a possible solution for you then. |
| 07:20.36 | karsten | mech423: See if you can't get your Xen VMs to run under memtest86+ ;-) |
| 07:20.44 | mech423 | karsten: I thought acpi or something was messed up in bios... |
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| 07:21.08 | karsten | mech423: What kind of kit? |
| 07:21.43 | mech423 | karsten: SuperMicro PDSMI+, latest bios |
| 07:21.54 | mech423 | karsten: all in a supermicro supplied 1U chassis |
| 07:22.10 | karsten | mech423: ... We've had a range of issues with acpi. For older HW and kernels, it's best disabled. For current kit, some stuff doesn't run, period. 'acpi=off pci=noacpi' as kernel options. |
| 07:22.15 | karsten | OK. |
| 07:23.01 | karsten | mech423: I'm mostly using Sun v40/v20, IBM, and Dell kit. |
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| 07:23.36 | karsten | mech423: The chipkill errors are one we've seen on a lot of 64 bit systems, but it doesn't generally hose the box. |
| 07:23.37 | mech423 | karsten: I tried the magic 'acpi=no apic=off lapic=off pci=conf[1|2]'.. |
| 07:23.48 | mech423 | didn't help :-( |
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| 07:24.29 | karsten | mech423: Sorry, that's most fo what I know. |
| 07:24.33 | karsten | mech423: What kernel? |
| 07:24.41 | mech423 | karsten: Debian 2.6.18 |
| 07:24.52 | pagenoare | how to install package from file? |
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| 07:25.10 | mech423 | pagenoare: dpkg -i file |
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| 07:25.28 | pagenoare | ok, thanks |
| 07:26.33 | mech423 | karsten: btw - Does debian have an installer for Intel G33/G35 chipsets yet ?? I saw some 3rd party ones, but nothing 'official' looking... |
| 07:26.36 | karsten | mech423: All I can suggest is maybe a newer kernel or check kernel bug reports or LKML. |
| 07:26.45 | karsten | mech423: No idea, sorry. |
| 07:27.15 | mech423 | karsten: annoying as all hell - I really don't want to limit my ram or run 32bit - what a choice! |
| 07:28.03 | karsten | mech423: I hear you, man. |
| 07:28.15 | karsten | mech423: Got another box you can swap bits with? |
| 07:28.16 | mech423 | ok - thanks for the help.. |
| 07:28.29 | mech423 | karsten: yeah - but it has the same problem :-P |
| 07:28.48 | karsten | mech423: Yeah, sorry. Tests would be: try another install or distro, try other hardware, do exhaustive HW testing. |
| 07:28.50 | mech423 | karsten: Hmm - I wonder if its the 3ware cards ? |
| 07:28.52 | karsten | mech423: Hrm... |
| 07:29.01 | karsten | mech423: Do you get *any* error output on crash? |
| 07:29.14 | mech423 | I'll have to google for problems on x86_64 using 3ware controllers |
| 07:29.17 | karsten | mech423: My other suggestion would be to boot w/ serial console attached and captiure the panic. |
| 07:29.32 | mech423 | karsten: no panics - just the occasional process fault |
| 07:29.39 | karsten | mech423: I've used 3Ware in the past (2002/3), with pretty good luckk. Mostly do SW RAID these days. |
| 07:29.54 | karsten | mech423: Google the specific errors or pastebin 'em. I'm just about out for the night, sorry. |
| 07:30.03 | karsten | Actually... |
| 07:30.21 | mech423 | karsten: Hehe - I'm going the other way - did software raid for years - but now I'm old and lazy and don't want to have to manually partition and re-add the replacement |
| 07:30.23 | karsten | bbiam ... I hope. |
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| 07:30.35 | mech423 | thanks |
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| 07:33.51 | karsten | ...and the new kernel is booty-licious. |
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| 07:37.54 | wols_ | kottlett: version? |
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| 07:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | kottlett?! |
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| 07:48.16 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: kottlett is yummy. makes me hungry |
| 07:48.24 | pagenoare | hey |
| 07:48.27 | pagenoare | i have probem |
| 07:48.32 | Arelis | Hi all. I'm trying to get a 1440x900 resolution in Xorg, because that is the native resolution of my monitor. However, what's being displayed is bigger than the monitor itself. So parts get cut off, and i can't scroll through. For example the taskbar isn't visible. With the VESA drivers, i can only set to 1280x1024, and it looks better than it did with the radeon drivers. With the radeon drivers, everythi |
| 07:48.32 | Arelis | ng is blurry and pixelated, and when i force it to 1440x900 in my Xorg.conf, i get a pressed-together screen that i can scroll through with my mouse. And it doesn't even look nice either (jaggy, pixelated, blurry). My videocard is an ATI Radeon 9600. Can anybody help me fix this? |
| 07:48.38 | pagenoare | i installed cpp, and i can't install gcc |
| 07:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_: version? |
| 07:48.49 | pagenoare | it's return then i haven't cpp |
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| 07:49.36 | pagenoare | can i skip depens with dpkg -i ? |
| 07:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | pagenoare: no |
| 07:50.04 | liable | yes |
| 07:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but he doesn't want to do that |
| 07:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I bet) |
| 07:50.21 | pagenoare | how? |
| 07:50.23 | Arelis | wols_: do you know anything about ATI on Debian? |
| 07:50.24 | liable | man dpkg (use at your own risk) |
| 07:50.55 | pagenoare | eh, so, what is the problem, i installed cpp but when i want to install gcc it returns then i havenet cpp |
| 07:50.59 | pagenoare | havent |
| 07:51.11 | wols_ | Arelis: yes I know to avoid it. |
| 07:51.13 | liable | paste your errors |
| 07:51.15 | wols_ | !trell Arelis about anyone |
| 07:51.17 | liable | !paste |
| 07:51.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 07:51.20 | Arelis | wols_: Did you read my question? |
| 07:51.23 | wols_ | Arelis: next time ask your real question |
| 07:51.31 | pagenoare | liable: i have in polish lang it |
| 07:51.34 | Arelis | wols_: ah, so you did not.. |
| 07:51.46 | Arelis | wols_: should i paste it again? i mean, did anybody get to read it? |
| 07:51.53 | liable | pagenoare: run dpkg with LANG=C dpkg .. |
| 07:51.56 | wols_ | Arelis: tried to hand edit xorg.conf? |
| 07:52.01 | Arelis | wols_: yes. |
| 07:52.06 | wols_ | and what driver? |
| 07:52.11 | Arelis | wols_: 'ati' |
| 07:52.42 | wols_ | use fglrx. I had such a problem with a gf2mx. nv had the exact same problem on a1440x900 wide screen. nvidia drivers worked |
| 07:52.49 | wols_ | so it's worth a shot at least |
| 07:52.55 | wols_ | even when you have to use fglrx |
| 07:53.08 | pagenoare | liable: http://dpaste.com/35449/ |
| 07:53.27 | wols_ | also there are modelines you can try. but you need to google for them |
| 07:53.30 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.31 | Arelis | on Ubuntu fglrx was a causer of instability (well, seemingly. Seeing how my system had all kinds of kernel panics/zombie processes, and i searched fglrx and got complaints about that kinda stuff..) |
| 07:53.34 | wols_ | cause I dunno remember them |
| 07:53.50 | Arelis | wols_: IF i install fglrx, can i un-do it? |
| 07:53.58 | Nyle | well you don't have to use it |
| 07:54.04 | Nyle | even if you don't remove it |
| 07:54.07 | liable | pagenoare: dpkg -l |grep cpp |
| 07:54.23 | Arelis | Nyle: Hmm... but how do i get FGLRX? |
| 07:54.29 | Nyle | !fglrx |
| 07:54.29 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method. |
| 07:54.39 | Nyle | !tell Arelis -about msg the bot |
| 07:54.39 | wols_ | Arelis: if you install it the debian way: yes |
| 07:55.09 | cahoot | Arelis: You may create a modeline using the gtf or cvt utility |
| 07:55.11 | pagenoare | liable: http://dpaste.com/35450/ something like that |
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| 07:56.31 | neokt8 | hello |
| 07:56.41 | neokt8 | http://paste.debian.net/49263 |
| 07:56.41 | liable | pagenoare: your version numbers are screwed up, but i suspect its due to you translating. why dont you just install build-essential, or is this on a box without net? |
| 07:57.04 | pagenoare | yea, on sec machine i havent net |
| 07:57.06 | neokt8 | can anybody help, I give up |
| 07:57.53 | liable | pagenoare: can you recheck to make sure you typed the right version numbers, as the ones you typed wont let it work |
| 07:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, if you have already given up... |
| 07:58.13 | Arelis | wols_: is the one-liner the debian way? |
| 07:58.20 | pagenoare | i can't find the correct version in repo |
| 07:58.27 | Arelis | because i just pasted the one-liner in the console |
| 07:58.31 | liable | neokt8: its a good idea to give a brief discription of problem rather than just a paste url |
| 07:58.33 | wols_ | Arelis: yes |
| 07:58.36 | Arelis | wols_: alright |
| 07:58.57 | wols_ | Arelis: as long as you install your fglrx from .debs that come from debian.org it'S the debian way. debian.org software is good. always :( |
| 07:59.00 | wols_ | :) |
| 07:59.00 | liable | neokt8: and giving output in english |
| 07:59.37 | neokt8 | liable: k I will try it |
| 07:59.51 | pagenoare | liable: in gcc i must have >= 4.1.1-15, i have 4.1.1-21 |
| 08:00.29 | liable | pagenoare: hrm, ok, i need to see the whole output then as that doesnt make sense that its failing |
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| 08:00.57 | Arelis | Hi, again. Had to kill everything, because the one-liner crashed because it needed a cd-rom.... forgot to comment that one in the sources.list |
| 08:01.06 | pagenoare | liable: soz, i dont understan u, u want to see all output? |
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| 08:02.55 | Arelis | dang, again. |
| 08:02.57 | liable | pagenoare: yes. the bit you gave me isnt enough to see what the actuall problem is |
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| 08:03.51 | pagenoare | oh dear, why it doesnt run. dpkg -i pathto_deb > log |
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| 08:04.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | neokt8: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465573 |
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| 08:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | neokt8: also 465608 and #463838 which got merged |
| 08:06.22 | neokt8 | ok. I see the bug is already posted |
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| 08:06.45 | Arelis__ | It worked! |
| 08:06.48 | Arelis__ | wols_, the fglrx drivers fixed the whole issue. |
| 08:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | neokt8: so why didn't you find it :) |
| 08:07.09 | neokt8 | (clown) |
| 08:07.27 | pagenoare | liable: so, how i can paste the errors, i have only console :d |
| 08:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | neokt8: Custom distribution education does not exist --> hit one in google :) |
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| 08:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | good night |
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| 08:10.00 | liable | pagenoare: dokg -i .. 2&>1 > foo.txt |
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| 08:10.52 | pagenoare | nope, errors don't oaste |
| 08:10.54 | pagenoare | pase |
| 08:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | they go into the file |
| 08:11.12 | neokt8 | CutMeOwnThroat: thx a lot, It works now:) |
| 08:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | to paste you could use gpm |
| 08:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | neokt8: good |
| 08:12.45 | pagenoare | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, i know, but errors don't going to file |
| 08:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 08:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | try the other way around... |
| 08:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | > foo.txt 2>&1 |
| 08:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just do 2> file , btw |
| 08:14.04 | pagenoare | yea |
| 08:14.05 | pagenoare | :) |
| 08:14.11 | pagenoare | works |
| 08:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course! |
| 08:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you think I'm GUESSING?! |
| 08:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
| 08:14.56 | pagenoare | :D |
| 08:15.02 | pagenoare | http://dpaste.com/35452/ |
| 08:15.16 | holycow | does anyone know a way to find out what files are open on a particular volume? |
| 08:15.25 | Arelis__ | So.. now I have debian, it should be as stable as a 99% uptime server? |
| 08:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I wasnt... and I was just laughing, because 2&>1 > foo.txt still looks and feels so right... after all these years |
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| 08:16.13 | pagenoare | CutMeOwnThroat: heh ;) |
| 08:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | holycow: what for? |
| 08:16.26 | pagenoare | liable: http://dpaste.com/35452/ |
| 08:16.56 | holycow | not sure, someone asked me that |
| 08:17.17 | holycow | i hate not knowing |
| 08:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | holycow: fuser -m tells you which processes use it, gdb or strace tell you which files a process opens... (these are the more common things one wants to do, I think) |
| 08:17.47 | pagenoare | liable: http://dpaste.com/35453/ |
| 08:17.52 | holycow | thank you very much |
| 08:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | holycow: so... that becomes a slightly hesitant "yes", as you could a) figure what processes use files on the disk, then debug them all |
| 08:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there's a command to find out directly, I don't know about it (yet?) |
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| 08:19.15 | wols_ | Arelis__: thought so |
| 08:19.16 | eddie | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 08:19.18 | eddie | anyone have ideas? |
| 08:20.04 | Arelis__ | wols_, why does the fglrx driver work, and radeon not, though? |
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| 08:20.29 | wols_ | my guess is the nv and ati driver guys don't know or care about widescreen |
| 08:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | holycow: argh, sorry - I do know about it: lsof |
| 08:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | too tired :-/ |
| 08:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 08:22.38 | Arelis__ | wols_, alright. |
| 08:22.49 | Arelis__ | wols_, how much stabler is debian compared to ubuntu? |
| 08:22.51 | Arelis__ | (ubuntu gutsy) |
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| 08:23.34 | Nyle | simonrvn: ping |
| 08:23.46 | pagenoare | so, ant idea? |
| 08:23.54 | pagenoare | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe u can help me? |
| 08:23.54 | Nyle | ant |
| 08:24.09 | Nyle | nedit ftw |
| 08:24.40 | pagenoare | any |
| 08:24.41 | Nyle | !abi |
| 08:24.42 | dpkg | abi is probably application binary interface. |
| 08:24.42 | pagenoare | :P |
| 08:24.51 | pagenoare | !ndiswrapper |
| 08:24.51 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:25.45 | wols_ | Arelis__: if you compare debian stable and ubuntu: imho very |
| 08:25.54 | zinx | ndiswrapper is a way to underflow your kernel stack :P~ |
| 08:26.04 | Nyle | underflow? |
| 08:26.07 | Arelis__ | wols_, and the price is i have to use old software? |
| 08:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | pagenoare: well, just follow the trail... apt-get install cpp and see what happens (but I haven't followed what you wrote above) |
| 08:26.15 | wols_ | Arelis__: imho ubuntu is not more stable than debian sid but debian sid is updated more often (which is good and bad) |
| 08:26.37 | wols_ | Arelis__: most times it doesn't actually matter since thereare backports if needed |
| 08:26.44 | pagenoare | CutMeOwnThroat: i havenent net |
| 08:26.46 | Arelis__ | and for things like GNOME? |
| 08:26.47 | pagenoare | havent |
| 08:26.50 | zinx | Nyle: exhaust would probably be a better word |
| 08:27.06 | zinx | since underflow can mean something else :/ |
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| 08:27.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and still, I'm off to bed... |
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| 08:27.54 | oomph | wols_, what exactly are backports? |
| 08:27.59 | oomph | new to linux myself |
| 08:28.09 | zinx | Nyle: windows drivers are written for extremely large stacks; Linux has only 4k (1 page) available to the kernel, or 8k if you compile that support in... or 16k if you're insane and patch your kernel so ndiswrapper works with most drivers like i think Fedora does |
| 08:28.42 | zinx | Nyle: stacks that big in kernel space are very bad though, because the allocation can easily fail |
| 08:28.46 | wols_ | !backports |
| 08:28.46 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 08:29.11 | wols_ | zinx: you can increase default krenel stacksize |
| 08:29.57 | eddie | apt-get install dose not find pidgin any ideas? |
| 08:30.09 | wols_ | !pidgin |
| 08:30.10 | dpkg | i guess pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org> |
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| 08:30.40 | Arelis__ | !backports.org |
| 08:30.40 | dpkg | somebody said backports.org was an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 08:31.11 | Arelis__ | if I add backports, will it update all software to latest? |
| 08:32.48 | wols_ | no it will not |
| 08:32.57 | wols_ | read the links before you ask |
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| 08:34.42 | oomph | it only makes newer software compatible |
| 08:34.48 | oomph | from the description |
| 08:35.05 | Arelis__ | ah :) |
| 08:35.06 | Arelis__ | nice |
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| 08:35.14 | wols_ | oomph: no it doesn't |
| 08:35.27 | grendal_prime | im making the jump to lenny |
| 08:35.28 | Arelis__ | and does it have the new GNOME and the like? (although i'm not really sure i want that - this GNOME's stable) |
| 08:35.31 | grendal_prime | wish me luck |
| 08:35.33 | oomph | oh, thats what it sounded like to me |
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| 08:35.42 | wols_ | Arelis__: it doesn't have gnome |
| 08:35.56 | wols_ | grendal_prime: any special reason? |
| 08:36.27 | grendal_prime | kids machine |
| 08:36.32 | grendal_prime | they play alot of games |
| 08:36.47 | wols_ | Agrajag-: and? |
| 08:36.55 | grendal_prime | they want the new version of egoboo...soulfu. |
| 08:37.14 | wols_ | soulfu is not in debian, not in etch or lenny or anything else |
| 08:37.16 | pagenoare | where is kernel in debian? |
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| 08:37.24 | grendal_prime | its a pretty old machine |
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| 08:37.42 | grendal_prime | i have a package for it...it was converted from alien |
| 08:37.42 | wols_ | pagenoare: what do you mean? |
| 08:37.54 | wols_ | grendal_prime: ick! |
| 08:38.00 | pagenoare | wols_: modules to kernel |
| 08:38.02 | grendal_prime | i tested it on another machine |
| 08:38.04 | wols_ | use tar.gz when using alien. never create debs with it |
| 08:38.07 | grendal_prime | it works fine |
| 08:38.16 | wols_ | pagenoare: /lib/modules |
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| 08:38.35 | wols_ | pagenoare: same place like on ANY linux |
| 08:38.42 | grendal_prime | id love to just keep it in stable and backport the source..but i cant get that to work. |
| 08:39.19 | grendal_prime | it needs the libc6 that is in lenny i think |
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| 08:39.52 | pagenoare | wols_: ok, soz |
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| 08:40.59 | pagenoare | hey, what ndiswrapper don't build |
| 08:41.01 | grendal_prime | honestly i couldnt even get the source to install. |
| 08:41.16 | wols_ | pagenoare: why would you build it? |
| 08:41.35 | pagenoare | i want to run net on old machine |
| 08:41.36 | wols_ | pagenoare: also it helps if you use complete english sentences |
| 08:41.50 | wols_ | pagenoare: that doesn't explain why you want to build ndiswrapper |
| 08:41.54 | grendal_prime | wols_: is there a reason i shouldnt go with lenny? |
| 08:42.08 | wols_ | yes. it's not stable |
| 08:42.29 | grendal_prime | yes but for a gaming platform.. |
| 08:42.56 | wols_ | what has gaming to do with it |
| 08:43.07 | grendal_prime | ??i mean...they use it to watch movies and play video games. |
| 08:43.22 | wols_ | so? many people watch movies and play games on etch |
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| 08:43.51 | grendal_prime | ok, |
| 08:44.27 | wols_ | I'm not saying that in your special case lenny isn't needed but that simply "to play games" is nto a justification |
| 08:44.36 | wols_ | and watching video definitely is not any |
| 08:44.53 | pagenoare | wols_: so, how i can configure it witchout ndis? |
| 08:45.07 | wols_ | how would I know since you don#t give any info |
| 08:45.23 | wols_ | and last but not least: debian has ndiswrapper so there is no need to build itr |
| 08:45.24 | pagenoare | i have adapter usb wifi, livebox |
| 08:45.32 | grendal_prime | why is it that most of the time when i i find some new game that i think the kids would like..it always requires the libc6 version that is in lenny? |
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| 08:45.38 | pagenoare | O-o. i havent it in eth0 |
| 08:45.42 | pagenoare | etch.4.0 |
| 08:45.49 | wols_ | !info ndiswrapper etch |
| 08:45.59 | anxt | stupid question from anxt time. what is /sys ? |
| 08:46.22 | anxt | rsync -avz --exclude '/proc' / root@192.168.1.2:encoder/ |
| 08:46.30 | wols_ | anxt: a virtaul filesystem |
| 08:46.34 | wols_ | similar to /proc |
| 08:46.35 | anxt | should i exclude sys too? is it dynamically generated? |
| 08:46.56 | pagenoare | wols_: and? su, modprobe ndiswrapper -> not module |
| 08:47.03 | anxt | if i make a /sys mountpoint the kernel will fill it? |
| 08:47.21 | wols_ | !tell pagenoare about ndiswrapper |
| 08:47.43 | wols_ | pagenoare: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 08:47.55 | grendal_prime | going to bed..loves all |
| 08:48.22 | anxt | it appears in mtab. should /dev and /sys be excluded? doesn't udev populate /dev now? |
| 08:48.26 | pagenoare | wols_: yea, i know, but i have depends |
| 08:48.31 | wols_ | anxt: yes |
| 08:48.33 | valdyn | anxt: see what -x means for rsync |
| 08:48.34 | pagenoare | and i can't' resolve it |
| 08:48.41 | wols_ | !tell pagenoare about bat |
| 08:49.26 | valdyn | anxt: and mind /dev/.static/dev, which is in the / fs /dev/ |
| 08:49.32 | pagenoare | wols_: http://dpaste.com/35453/ |
| 08:49.58 | anxt | valdyn: ie initrd /dev ? |
| 08:50.05 | wols_ | pagenoare: pastebin your sources.list |
| 08:50.12 | valdyn | anxt: i have no idea how its related to initrd |
| 08:50.21 | pagenoare | wols_: it's clear! i havenent net |
| 08:50.34 | anxt | well since i have one big happy partion -x should do it |
| 08:50.38 | wols_ | pagenoare: if it's clear apt cannot work and your debian is broken |
| 08:50.42 | valdyn | anxt: but its there and its in /dev if you dont let udev mount it to /dev/.static/dev |
| 08:50.56 | pagenoare | wols_: soz, it have default entries |
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| 08:51.18 | wols_ | pagenoare: get the first CD and download the source packages you need from packages.debian.org |
| 08:51.29 | wols_ | pagenoare: if wlan is your only way for network access |
| 08:51.36 | pagenoare | yea |
| 08:52.32 | anxt | rsync is pimp |
| 08:52.55 | pagenoare | ok, isntall it from disk |
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| 08:53.34 | pagenoare | soz |
| 08:53.55 | anxt | valdyn: thanks for the flag. i think that will work out well |
| 08:54.53 | anxt | even if my rsync is whacked i can untar it over a debian install |
| 08:55.03 | anxt | should be acceptable backup means :) |
| 08:55.47 | anxt | tar won't ever get drwxrwxrwt right will it? |
| 08:55.57 | anxt | i find that strage |
| 08:56.03 | anxt | well gnu tar anyway |
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| 08:56.08 | pagenoare | yea! |
| 08:56.21 | valdyn | anxt: why not? |
| 08:56.37 | anxt | i thought ever with -p it blew the +t for /tmp |
| 08:56.45 | anxt | in my experience it has several times |
| 08:56.48 | valdyn | anxt: -a gets most |
| 08:57.13 | anxt | i switched gears, i meant tar vs rsync |
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| 08:57.35 | anxt | i don't recall a -a for tar, although i am sure there is |
| 08:57.47 | valdyn | anxt: yea, sorry, i was talking about rsync |
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| 08:58.16 | anxt | aparently cpio and pax are supposed to be supperior for backups |
| 08:58.21 | anxt | -p |
| 08:59.21 | pagenoare | misnix: i installed ndiswrapper |
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| 08:59.28 | pagenoare | wols_* |
| 08:59.30 | pagenoare | soz |
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| 09:01.11 | anxt | i hafta do an openbsd raidframe transfer on monday :( |
| 09:01.14 | wols_ | what does "soz" mean? |
| 09:01.20 | pagenoare | sorry |
| 09:01.25 | anxt | why are we using raidframe? are we so cheap ? |
| 09:01.44 | anxt | linux must have some sort of raidframe? |
| 09:01.55 | wols_ | what is "raidframe"? |
| 09:02.05 | anxt | i think it comes from netbsd |
| 09:02.16 | anxt | a software raid driver? |
| 09:02.20 | wols_ | that doesn't explain what is IS, does it? |
| 09:02.30 | wols_ | ah, sure, linux has software OS level raid |
| 09:02.32 | valdyn | !md |
| 09:02.32 | dpkg | from memory, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
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| 09:03.36 | Supaplex | is there any reason patches would fail durring apt-get source, if my modifications are not in the same hunk areas? |
| 09:03.47 | valdyn | anxt: cheap? software raid isnt worse than "hardware raid" |
| 09:03.59 | anxt | valdyn: much less convenient |
| 09:04.01 | kgoetz | valdyn: why quotes? |
| 09:04.13 | anxt | valdyn: and the disks aren't hot swappable |
| 09:04.21 | valdyn | anxt: they can be |
| 09:04.36 | valdyn | anxt: on linux anyway |
| 09:04.58 | kottlett | hi! is there a tool for editing the default contents (for all users) of kmenu? |
| 09:05.03 | anxt | raidframe is actually kinda cool |
| 09:05.07 | valdyn | kgoetz: i dont know, ignore them |
| 09:05.13 | anxt | but i would prefer a nice 3ware controller |
| 09:05.24 | anxt | for the extra 400$ |
| 09:05.48 | valdyn | problem is only specific controllers and drivers will actually support hotswap, but it can be done anyway |
| 09:05.53 | anxt | for one you need custom kernel in openbsd to support it |
| 09:06.29 | Eulex | kottlett, assuming that they freedesktop.org menus: any text editor, point it at a file in /usr/share/applications/ and edit it |
| 09:06.31 | anxt | i bought this great supermicro 1u rack |
| 09:06.46 | kottlett | Eulex: thx :) |
| 09:06.50 | anxt | 3ware controller, swap out a disk on the fly it pwns |
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| 09:06.58 | asdzxc | hi |
| 09:07.07 | asdzxc | i have 66% packet loss |
| 09:07.10 | anxt | supermicro rocks for server stuff imho |
| 09:07.11 | asdzxc | where can be the problem ? |
| 09:07.18 | anxt | asdzxc: i am packetting you. |
| 09:07.19 | valdyn | asdzxc: how would we know? |
| 09:07.21 | asdzxc | it was ok until 2 hours ago |
| 09:07.26 | Penix | asdzxc: be specific |
| 09:07.44 | asdzxc | don't know abything othe about problem |
| 09:07.54 | asdzxc | i was trying to ping also my serverhousuign provider page |
| 09:07.54 | anxt | asdzxc: you mean ping packets? |
| 09:07.56 | asdzxc | but it is ok |
| 09:08.00 | asdzxc | anxt yes |
| 09:08.03 | asdzxc | icmp ping |
| 09:08.09 | anxt | could be shitty internet routing. |
| 09:08.13 | valdyn | asdzxc: you know alot more than we do |
| 09:08.17 | anxt | i have seen it happen. |
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| 09:08.26 | asdzxc | anxt i was trying to ping also my gateway and it is ok |
| 09:08.29 | anxt | is throughput good? |
| 09:08.34 | valdyn | asdzxc: 1) packet loss to where from where 2) no packet loss to where, if at all |
| 09:08.42 | pagenoare | can i get the network wlan0 list? |
| 09:08.42 | anxt | can you d/l & u/l good? |
| 09:08.58 | asdzxc | valdyn i tried to ping my server from 3 different hosts, all the same |
| 09:08.59 | valdyn | pagenoare: "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
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| 09:09.12 | asdzxc | valdyn no packet loss no where |
| 09:09.13 | asdzxc | probably |
| 09:09.16 | anxt | asdzxc: can you ssh your server? |
| 09:09.18 | pagenoare | iwlist command not found |
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| 09:09.23 | asdzxc | anxt yes, i'm there |
| 09:09.28 | valdyn | asdzxc: so your hosted server has packet loss |
| 09:09.29 | asdzxc | anxt but it's REALLY slow :) |
| 09:09.33 | anxt | what is load average? |
| 09:09.37 | valdyn | asdzxc: now you just need to tell us the ip |
| 09:09.47 | asdzxc | anxt load is ok, 0,1 - 0,2 |
| 09:09.49 | valdyn | asdzxc: or use mtr or traceroute yourself |
| 09:09.56 | asdzxc | Load average: 0.19 0.14 0.14 |
| 09:09.57 | anxt | asdzxc: what is the IP ? |
| 09:10.50 | anxt | is it a linux box ? |
| 09:10.55 | valdyn | asdzxc: if thats a hosted server its clearly an issue with your service provider, unless you installed the OS kernel |
| 09:11.05 | graytron | IP is the Internet Protocol |
| 09:11.15 | Supaplex | how do I make a dpatch from a unified diff? |
| 09:11.23 | valdyn | graytron: or short for ip address |
| 09:11.29 | anxt | valdyn: i am in edmonton canada, what is your ip |
| 09:11.37 | pagenoare | valdyn: what program i must have to do it command? |
| 09:11.37 | anxt | i will ping it |
| 09:11.39 | valdyn | anxt: /whois valdyn |
| 09:11.42 | asdzxc | valdyn the server is in serverhousing |
| 09:11.45 | simonrvn | Supaplex: add a sh hashbang and some comments |
| 09:11.53 | asdzxc | valdyn and everything was ok about 2 hours ago |
| 09:12.04 | asdzxc | valdyn this problem starts only today |
| 09:12.07 | anxt | valdyn: i meant asdzxc |
| 09:12.12 | anxt | lol |
| 09:12.13 | valdyn | asdzxc: why dont you do what you are told |
| 09:12.40 | simonrvn | Supaplex: or /usr/share/doc/dpatch/examples/dpatch/01_config.dpatch.gz |
| 09:12.59 | anxt | asdzxc: lemme ping you i won't flood you. i will tell you from here. if it persists i would suggest a) ticket with your provider or b) reboot |
| 09:13.14 | anxt | prolly b) first |
| 09:13.34 | anxt | i have a mail server that seems to have a shit fit about aevery 6 weeks. |
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| 09:13.45 | anxt | haven't diagnosed it yet |
| 09:14.28 | valdyn | pagenoare: run as root, /sbin/iwlist |
| 09:14.34 | asdzxc | anxt sorry, everything looks ok now |
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| 09:14.44 | asdzxc | it was probably really provider's problem |
| 09:14.51 | anxt | more that likely |
| 09:14.52 | asdzxc | i'm trying to call him but no luck |
| 09:14.53 | valdyn | asdzxc: most probably |
| 09:15.01 | anxt | or like i said shitty routing |
| 09:15.04 | pagenoare | valdyn: don't have it |
| 09:15.06 | simonrvn | Supaplex: after the ## DP: stuff add in the diff |
| 09:15.08 | valdyn | asdzxc: is this a vps? |
| 09:15.14 | anxt | some days a link across the continent just sucks |
| 09:15.23 | anxt | less so now, but i have seen it lots |
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| 09:16.37 | anxt | tehn agian i was trying to figure out why my giganews was so slow i realized i screwed up QoS and set downstream 768 upstream 4000 |
| 09:16.48 | asdzxc | valdyn no |
| 09:17.09 | anxt | giganews rocks :) |
| 09:17.27 | anxt | (got 20 mbs link at work ) |
| 09:18.06 | Supaplex | simonrvn: http://rafb.net/p/iocSN214.html :-/ ohhh ok. gah.. |
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| 09:18.24 | asdzxc | thnx, bye |
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| 09:18.51 | anxt | lame supprt call of the week! asdxxc! |
| 09:19.41 | simonrvn | Supaplex: you need the DP: if you want something to shw up in the messages, otherwise it's ok |
| 09:20.53 | Supaplex | it's failing :( |
| 09:21.00 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 09:21.42 | Supaplex | applying patch log-user-pass-attempts.diff to ./ ... failed. |
| 09:21.44 | Supaplex | meh |
| 09:21.49 | Grunt | How do I configure postfix to listen on port 587, since my ISP blocks port 25? |
| 09:21.56 | simonrvn | oh, also need @DPATCH@ right before the diff; \n#DPATCH@\n\n |
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| 09:22.16 | Arelis__ | oh, no.. |
| 09:22.20 | simonrvn | er, one \n |
| 09:22.26 | Arelis__ | i had this on Ubuntu, and now i have it on Debian! dang! |
| 09:22.28 | reiffert_ | Grunt: even when you make it to listen on port 587, how will you have all the other mailservers send mail to you on that port? |
| 09:22.30 | Arelis__ | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 09:22.31 | Arelis__ | Segmentatie fout |
| 09:22.36 | Arelis__ | means Segmentation fault |
| 09:22.43 | Arelis__ | apt-get gives a segmentation fault. |
| 09:22.48 | Arelis__ | I installed Debian yesterday. |
| 09:23.06 | Supaplex | !tell Arelis__ -about memtest86 |
| 09:23.08 | simonrvn | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/mN8VaL26.html |
| 09:23.15 | Arelis__ | Supaplex, already did that, gave 100% |
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| 09:23.23 | anxt | i got a cool codes to test eggs |
| 09:23.29 | Grunt | I got a Dedibox on the net with postfix, and I can't use my home mail client to send mail through port 25 |
| 09:23.33 | anxt | slam slam slam |
| 09:23.35 | anxt | slam |
| 09:23.42 | anxt | segault# |
| 09:23.45 | maligor | Arelis, err.. use aptitude? |
| 09:23.46 | Arelis__ | Supaplex, it was 100% error-free, if i recall correctly |
| 09:23.50 | Supaplex | !tell anxt -about enter |
| 09:23.51 | Arelis__ | maligor, segfaults too. |
| 09:24.05 | maligor | what about ping? |
| 09:24.09 | simonrvn | Arelis__: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 09:24.12 | Supaplex | simonrvn: like http://rafb.net/p/t9SF7n79.html ? |
| 09:24.12 | anxt | . , . . |
| 09:24.19 | reiffert_ | Grunt: using fetchmail or imap is not an option? |
| 09:24.20 | Arelis__ | maligor, ping doesn't segfault |
| 09:24.21 | Supaplex | !tell anxt -about ep |
| 09:24.22 | Grunt | I wan't postfix to listen on 587, that's all. But /etc/postfix/ is full of strange files ^^ |
| 09:24.36 | simonrvn | Supaplex: that should work |
| 09:24.43 | anxt | !!! |
| 09:24.43 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 09:24.48 | Supaplex | Grunt: main.cf iirc. 587 is submission/smtp |
| 09:24.50 | anxt | fg |
| 09:24.54 | OXIj | haha =_= |
| 09:24.58 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.59 | simonrvn | "want", it's NOT wan not |
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| 09:25.25 | robboplus_ | how do i change the timezone on host? |
| 09:25.36 | robboplus_ | i once did it and forgot the command again |
| 09:25.39 | anxt | /etc/localtime? |
| 09:25.56 | robboplus_ | hm thanks will try that but i remember i used to use some command for it |
| 09:25.59 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata or tzconfig (dependson debian version) |
| 09:26.04 | wols_ | !tzconfig |
| 09:26.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 09:26.05 | Arelis__ | Simoneloco, I tried that, it didn't help. |
| 09:26.08 | robboplus_ | oh yes, it was tzconfig |
| 09:26.16 | robboplus_ | many thanks simonrvn |
| 09:26.59 | Arelis__ | simonrvn, i tried the dynamic mmap thing, but it didn't help. |
| 09:27.19 | anxt | is it just me or is claudia black incredibly hawt |
| 09:27.59 | simonrvn | i gotta sleep... nini |
| 09:28.09 | robboplus_ | nn simonrvn! |
| 09:28.33 | Arelis__ | simonrvn, night |
| 09:28.42 | Arelis__ | I'll try rebooting. |
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| 09:29.10 | Grunt | Supaplex: didn't you mean "master.cf"? You're sytanx is nearest than this file's |
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| 09:30.13 | Supaplex | Grunt: it might be master.cf. it's 2:30am here and I'm *usually* in bed at 11pm. you do the math !-( |
| 09:30.27 | Grunt | lol |
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| 09:30.29 | pagenoare | ok, ndis is works |
| 09:30.47 | pagenoare | but i can't conigure net |
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| 09:31.08 | pagenoare | i add to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:31.12 | Arelis | Yep, rebooting fixed it. |
| 09:31.29 | Supaplex | gah applying patch log-user-pass-attempts to ./ ... failed. |
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| 09:32.06 | Grunt | Supaplex: done, seems to run. Thanks ! |
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| 09:42.39 | vegard | hi. I would like to install debian on a machine with no monitor. is there a CD that will start ssh, let me log in over ethernet, and install from there? |
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| 09:43.03 | wols_ | !ig |
| 09:43.03 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 09:43.37 | vegard | ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:44.42 | et | why would you want to install sarge now |
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| 09:51.21 | Starwatcher | hi all can anyone give me a repository for multimedia i am looking for win32 codes |
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| 09:52.51 | m4ggus | Starwatcher: www.debian-multimedia.org ? |
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| 09:53.16 | Starwatcher | ok sounds good to me |
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| 09:53.28 | Starwatcher | thx |
| 09:53.34 | m4ggus | no prob |
| 09:53.36 | AbsintheSyringe | has anyone made intel945 go beyond 1024x768? debian testing |
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| 09:54.42 | anAngel | Hello, I am having trouble installing debian testing (lenny) on my intel dg965ss motherboard. The exact problem is that the installer cant detect my cd-rom. I think its the whole ide controller. I think the ata controller is jmicron. So how can i load the driver or any other workaround? |
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| 10:11.46 | anAngel | .msg Angel help |
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| 10:23.34 | alturiak | that would be "PATH", if at all :) |
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| 10:24.04 | alturiak | hm... well. $PATH would probably also work. nvm. =) |
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| 10:26.37 | erik2 | wols: thnx |
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| 10:31.34 | cahoot | !b-e |
| 10:31.34 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 10:47.25 | jim | I'm looking for any bittorent client for etch, what's one favorite? |
| 10:48.15 | timonator | i HURD transmission is supposed to be good, but i haven't tried it |
| 10:48.34 | jim | what have you tried? :) |
| 10:48.42 | timonator | azureus ;) |
| 10:48.47 | jim | and? |
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| 10:49.03 | timonator | it's bloat, but fun |
| 10:49.38 | jim | hmmmmm yeah, it is pretty bloated |
| 10:49.48 | timonator | i'm currently fighting with my sound card... |
| 10:50.11 | jim | while I don't mind that so much, I'll try the other one |
| 10:50.24 | jim | while I don't mind that so much, I'll try the other one |
| 10:50.29 | jim | errp! :) |
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| 10:52.16 | snewp | what's teh s in drwsr-xr-x ? |
| 10:52.45 | jim | that info is in man chmod |
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| 10:53.13 | jim | it's the 4 in 4755 |
| 10:53.40 | bertvdp | hi, anyone here with experience on setting up smb to share certain directories ? |
| 10:54.01 | snewp | thanks jim .. lemme check |
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| 10:54.30 | timonator | this sound card is supposed to be supported by the snd-intel-hda driver, but modprobing it does nothing at all :( |
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| 10:54.36 | jim | also see: info coreutils, look for file permissions |
| 10:54.37 | tralala | bertvdp, check out swat for easy samba setup |
| 10:55.12 | setog3 | hi, I have some problem with alsa and libasound2 last version.. and I want to reinstall libasound2 1.0.14 .. but don't find the package, where can I found it ? |
| 10:55.20 | tralala | timonator, try newer kernel |
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| 10:55.42 | timonator | yes, i'm updating to lenny right now... |
| 10:55.55 | jim | timonator: maybe you need some module parameters... get the info for that module (modinfo snd-intel-hda) |
| 10:56.04 | tralala | timonator, don't update to lenny, just get a newer kernel |
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| 10:56.11 | timonator | uh |
| 10:56.18 | timonator | how would i do that? |
| 10:56.29 | tralala | timonator, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:56.46 | anxt | my spoon is too big! |
| 10:56.50 | jim | why do you want lenny |
| 10:56.55 | timonator | I AM A BANANA! |
| 10:57.30 | jim | that should qualify as qotd :P |
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| 10:58.00 | anxt | for the love of god and everything holy my anus its bleeding! |
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| 10:58.22 | jim | stop shoving the spoon up your ass |
| 10:58.34 | jim | maybe that could help |
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| 10:59.39 | anxt | jim: my spoon is too big! |
| 10:59.54 | timonator | so anyway |
| 11:00.00 | anxt | jim: are all people named jim really angry? my dad was. just tryiong to figure it out. |
| 11:00.14 | timonator | anxt: he's quoting from "rejected" by Don Hertzfeld |
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| 11:00.26 | anxt | that is old school |
| 11:00.36 | anxt | i cant believe i dragged that up |
| 11:00.37 | jim | anxt: my feelings are kinda none of your business :) |
| 11:00.47 | jim | yeah, meetoo. |
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| 11:01.14 | anxt | jim: no worries either way. just get me an md5 collision here and there |
| 11:01.33 | anxt | i am tough as taco beef too |
| 11:02.15 | anxt | one time i ate taco beef and contained myslef for 3 dqays |
| 11:02.27 | anxt | made jack bauer my bitch |
| 11:02.41 | anxt | :P |
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| 11:03.18 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 11:03.19 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 11:03.40 | Coke | I'm looking for a midi editor (a program that can load midi files, edit the sequences and then save as midi) that does not require Jack. Suggestions? |
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| 11:03.53 | anxt | rosegarden? |
| 11:04.01 | anxt | i am not sure |
| 11:04.03 | anxt | i am pretty high |
| 11:04.17 | anxt | but i think i did something with that |
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| 11:04.22 | anxt | when i wasn't as high |
| 11:04.35 | anxt | yeah i am pretty sure |
| 11:04.36 | jim | Coke: logic |
| 11:04.39 | anxt | you can do all midi |
| 11:04.53 | anxt | jack is great |
| 11:04.54 | Coke | anxt: rosegarden requires jack |
| 11:04.57 | anxt | but i hate jack |
| 11:05.13 | anxt | rosegarden need jacks? |
| 11:05.17 | Coke | Jack is ok when I'm actualy making music, all I want to do now is transpose a few midis. |
| 11:05.18 | anxt | wtf |
| 11:05.26 | Coke | anxt: if you want playback |
| 11:05.39 | anxt | timidity won't do it? |
| 11:05.40 | timonator | gorgeous! |
| 11:05.43 | timonator | new kernel did it! |
| 11:05.45 | tralala | what's wrong with jack? |
| 11:05.49 | Coke | jim: cannot find a package named "logic" |
| 11:05.51 | anxt | i am messed up |
| 11:06.00 | anxt | i am hooked on sear catalog |
| 11:06.02 | Coke | anxt: timidity just replays. |
| 11:06.09 | tralala | timonator, I hope you didn't upgrade any packages to lenny |
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| 11:06.19 | anxt | weird that is why i play acoustic |
| 11:06.24 | Coke | I remember using tons of sequence editors back in the DOS-days, I don't quite understand why there's such a lack of midi editors. |
| 11:06.32 | jim | anxt: some of the things you say make me wonder if you know anything about linux, and after that why you're here and before all that, why you're spewing so much crap |
| 11:06.33 | anxt | they can never segfault your g-string |
| 11:06.37 | timonator | tralala: no, you stopped me before downloading the stuff wsa complete |
| 11:06.48 | timonator | i don't know why i shouldn't get lenny, though... get newer packages and stuff |
| 11:06.50 | anxt | jim: i don't know anything. |
| 11:06.58 | anxt | jim: i never claimed to know anything |
| 11:07.00 | tralala | timonator, becausre it breaks |
| 11:07.09 | jim | so why are you here? |
| 11:07.12 | timonator | oh |
| 11:07.19 | anxt | jim: to upset you. |
| 11:07.34 | anxt | plus i answered a few n00b questions. |
| 11:07.36 | jim | you were here before I came, that can't be your original reason |
| 11:07.42 | tralala | timonator, keep in mind that 2.6.22 from bpo is vulnerable to the latest local root exploit |
| 11:07.53 | anxt | jim: you were mon raision detre! |
| 11:07.55 | jim | ok, that's probably a good thing... |
| 11:08.06 | timonator | yes, when will bpo upgrade their version? |
| 11:08.10 | anxt | jim: you can sploit me! |
| 11:08.14 | jim | so why are you spewing so much crap that doesn't have much to do with the channel? |
| 11:08.19 | timonator | or backport the patch that fixes it to the old version they have? |
| 11:08.31 | jim | I'd rather ask you what you're about |
| 11:08.36 | anxt | jim: why are you an gau-ould |
| 11:08.52 | Penix | don't make me scream OT |
| 11:08.58 | tralala | timonator, there is no indication when/if they will. |
| 11:09.02 | timonator | OK |
| 11:09.03 | jim | am I? or am I just asking you questions that might facilitate some real discussion? |
| 11:09.12 | timonator | then i'll just keep all my ports shut so noone will reach me |
| 11:09.13 | anxt | what do you want to hear? |
| 11:09.19 | anxt | what i do for a living? |
| 11:09.22 | timonator | and execute nothing unsigned |
| 11:09.23 | timonator | etc etc |
| 11:09.24 | anxt | am i a musician? |
| 11:09.30 | anxt | do i abuse inhalants? |
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| 11:09.45 | tralala | timonator, you can compile yourself the latest .24 kernel from sid, but it's kind of tricky to configure it |
| 11:10.00 | timonator | can't i just use the current configuration and make oldconfig? |
| 11:10.02 | jim | what do you want to tell us? |
| 11:10.12 | anxt | i don't abuse inhalants. |
| 11:10.20 | anxt | that is my claim to sobriety |
| 11:10.22 | tralala | timonator, if you know how to do it, then yes, you can |
| 11:10.32 | timonator | i've used gentoo on my previous box :) |
| 11:10.41 | anxt | i do recreationalkly use inhalants though |
| 11:10.44 | tralala | poor thing :) |
| 11:10.59 | timonator | heh heh |
| 11:11.14 | jim | you'll have to decide for yourself whether that's abusive towards yourself... |
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| 11:12.00 | anxt | jim: thanks for your tolerance! this country (US and A) needs more of that! |
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| 11:12.12 | Coke | I'm on Debian testing, using the 2.6.22-3 kernel, if I modprobe snd-seq-midi and then start shaketracker the kernel hangs. Is that bad? |
| 11:12.24 | tralala | timonator, you'll find the configs in /boot/config* |
| 11:12.38 | timonator | ah, great |
| 11:12.38 | jim | for my own reasons, I don't want to be authoritative (and therefore I asked why rather than try to say you cannot) |
| 11:12.53 | tralala | Coke, only if you need stability |
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| 11:13.10 | Coke | tralala: if I wanted stability I'd run Windows. *pun* |
| 11:13.18 | anxt | i am on 2.6.18 and it is rock solid |
| 11:13.19 | tralala | hehe |
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| 11:13.36 | Coke | tralala: but seriously, it pisses me off that it crashes at all |
| 11:13.38 | tralala | Coke, lenny should have .24 why don't you upgrade? |
| 11:13.40 | anxt | ecpecially after i stripped all that ide crap out of it |
| 11:14.02 | anxt | it is all about prancing |
| 11:14.07 | Coke | tralala: somehow I don't think that will help. it never does. |
| 11:14.07 | jim | or as anxt suggests you could also downgrade |
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| 11:14.19 | Coke | tralala: my experience with linux kernels is that it was at it's most stable around 2.2 |
| 11:14.37 | anxt | jim: you don't run servers on this linux do you? |
| 11:14.42 | jim | sure |
| 11:14.43 | anxt | i find fave kernels |
| 11:14.48 | anxt | stick with then |
| 11:14.55 | anxt | like 2.6.5 |
| 11:14.55 | tralala | Coke, you could always run windows of course |
| 11:14.57 | Coke | tralala: what is "lenny"? |
| 11:15.15 | jim | presently, the debian testing is called lenny |
| 11:15.21 | anxt | oh you can lock it all down with xinetd tho :) |
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| 11:15.26 | Coke | The problem is that even though Windows might be more stable, it's UI sucks tremendously. One desktop? Menu based? No terminals? No thanks. |
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| 11:15.45 | jim | ime it's not more stable |
| 11:15.46 | anxt | Coke: latest winders server has headless option |
| 11:15.46 | Coke | tralala: but I am considering spending the extra $ on a Mac. |
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| 11:15.54 | anxt | i have a mac notebook |
| 11:16.03 | Coke | anxt: I'm not running a server, I'm running a desktop |
| 11:16.15 | dante_2core | Coke, desktop is very stable, too |
| 11:16.18 | anxt | Coke: mac is likely the way to go then |
| 11:16.20 | Coke | And as far as desktop usability goes, Windows is like 15 years behind. |
| 11:16.27 | jim | my desktop is running many servers |
| 11:16.37 | anxt | windows has a few apps that are way better |
| 11:16.38 | Coke | dante_2core: the problem with Windows desktop is not stability, it's the really bad user interface |
| 11:16.44 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 11:16.45 | anxt | eac dvdshrink |
| 11:16.49 | jim | my server could have desktops |
| 11:16.52 | anxt | flashfxp |
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| 11:17.13 | jim | I'm not totally sure why people look at desktops and servers so separately |
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| 11:17.21 | Coke | jim: I'm on "testing", there's no .24 in here |
| 11:17.24 | anxt | Coke: you can do a lot from command line |
| 11:17.25 | anxt | ie |
| 11:17.31 | Coke | jim: because that's the way Microsoft did it |
| 11:17.36 | anxt | net use m: \\192.168.1.2\lol |
| 11:17.52 | Coke | jim: Microsoft was unable to create a desktop system stable enough to be a server. ALso, they can make more money using the home/business/server scheme |
| 11:18.06 | jim | Coke: but as I invite you to notice, I'm not particularly influenced by microsoft |
| 11:18.20 | anxt | 2003 is ok |
| 11:18.27 | Coke | I'm pretty sure Debian beats Windows hands down on 9 of 10 points of usability, just that stability part is quite important. |
| 11:18.34 | anxt | once you get dns working roaiming profiles are pretty cool |
| 11:18.55 | Coke | And I can't find a .24 kernel in my testing setup. |
| 11:19.09 | Coke | sources list: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 11:19.15 | anxt | you run latst kernels? |
| 11:19.16 | jim | Coke: and debian runs rings around windows in the area of stability |
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| 11:19.29 | hellues | hey |
| 11:19.33 | anxt | 2003 is opretty stable |
| 11:19.40 | hellues | i have a problem with my graphic card |
| 11:19.49 | jim | (of course, you're running testing and so you're not really getting the benefit of how stable it can be) |
| 11:19.51 | hellues | my graphic card nvidia 8400m gs |
| 11:20.04 | Coke | jim: I can make the Debian testing kernel (2.6.22-3) crash by starting shaketracker |
| 11:20.08 | hellues | NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied). |
| 11:20.09 | hellues | NVIDIA: Direct rendering failed; attempting indirect rendering. |
| 11:20.14 | anxt | i think of testing as stable |
| 11:20.16 | Coke | jim: I know the Debian motto; broken or outdated. |
| 11:20.20 | tralala | Coke, my bad - .24 is in unstable. you can take it from there |
| 11:20.24 | anxt | debian stable is like 2 years old lol |
| 11:20.25 | jim | what's shaketracker? |
| 11:20.33 | dante_2core | hellues, did you install the drivers? |
| 11:20.33 | Coke | jim: sequencer editor |
| 11:20.36 | tralala | anxt, not even 1 |
| 11:20.38 | hellues | yes |
| 11:20.45 | dante_2core | hellues, in which way? |
| 11:20.54 | anxt | but debian is so conservative |
| 11:20.54 | hellues | debian way |
| 11:20.57 | jim | ahh. maybe you could find out specifics about why it's crashing? |
| 11:21.06 | anxt | i think their unstable is just fine |
| 11:21.44 | jim | it is much of the time... but when it breaks, things could be bad for a few days |
| 11:21.48 | tralala | if you define fine as not conservative and not necessarily working, then yes, unstable is fine |
| 11:21.54 | hellues | dante_2core, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 11:22.10 | Coke | jim: I'm a computer -user-. |
| 11:22.25 | tralala | Coke, users use stable |
| 11:22.34 | Coke | jim: but out of curiousity, how would I go about finding this out? |
| 11:22.41 | jim | so is everyone else that sits in front of a computer and pushes buttons |
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| 11:22.46 | dante_2core | hellues, brb |
| 11:22.52 | hellues | oki |
| 11:22.58 | Coke | tralala: no, users stuck in the mid 90's use stable. |
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| 11:23.15 | jim | how is a computer programmer, a db administrator or a network implementor not computer users? |
| 11:23.21 | seon | does Debian can be used in Cuba |
| 11:23.22 | seon | ? |
| 11:23.28 | jim | why not? |
| 11:23.34 | Coke | jim: I am or have been all of those at one point. They are indeed users. |
| 11:23.50 | tralala | seon, is there a law in Cuba saying debian is illegal? |
| 11:23.51 | hellues | i am waiting |
| 11:24.04 | seon | tralala> no |
| 11:24.12 | jim | so you have more experience than you were trying to imply by saying you're a "-user-" |
| 11:24.14 | tralala | seon, then it can be used |
| 11:24.18 | seon | tralala> ok good |
| 11:24.31 | dante_2core | hellues, re |
| 11:24.39 | Coke | jim: not at all. I agree completely that programmers are users too. Just wanted to emphasize that I'm using Debian as a tool to do my programming, not to develop it. |
| 11:24.42 | hellues | re dante_2core |
| 11:24.50 | tralala | Coke, no, users who want to *use* their computers use stable |
| 11:24.52 | Coke | jim: sort of like a mechanic using a wrench without trying to mend it. |
| 11:25.04 | dante_2core | hellues, which variant did you use to install there? non-free or free? |
| 11:25.05 | jim | you can use tail -f on log files and watch the action while you try to start the program |
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| 11:25.22 | hellues | dante_2core, i am using debian way i am using nvidia-glx non-free driver |
| 11:25.26 | jim | it's probably one of the more powerful ways to discover problems |
| 11:25.27 | Coke | tralala: that's unacceptable. I don't believe the choice in Debian should be between using outdated or broken software. |
| 11:25.56 | tralala | Coke, that puts you in a minority. |
| 11:26.00 | dante_2core | hellues, hmn, I did not yet get that one to work as I did not really try with it - I always used the non-free one from their page |
| 11:26.06 | kgoetz | proved stable or potential breakage. pick one |
| 11:26.10 | Coke | jim: 1) what logfile, 2) the kernel crashes, not sure it has the time to write anything to logs |
| 11:26.12 | jim | outdated has such negative energy the way you say it |
| 11:26.13 | hellues | interesting point |
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| 11:26.30 | tralala | s/poitential/eventual/ |
| 11:26.32 | hellues | dante_2core, i wrote |
| 11:26.33 | jim | but maybe something loggable happens before the kernel crashes |
| 11:26.35 | hellues | debian:/home/hellues# glxinfo |grep rendering |
| 11:26.36 | hellues | direct rendering: Yes |
| 11:26.40 | Coke | tralala: no, OSX and Windows users demand they have modern software that works, I think Linux users should do the same. |
| 11:26.49 | dante_2core | hellues, well, do opengl games ecetera work? |
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| 11:27.10 | jim | Coke: NOW how much would you pay? :) |
| 11:27.13 | tralala | Coke, vista is older than etch |
| 11:27.25 | Coke | jim: I dunno. Probably 300-400 $ |
| 11:27.44 | Coke | tralala: it's also more stable. |
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| 11:27.57 | Coke | tralala: and works on modern laptops, including sleep/hibernate functionality |
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| 11:28.25 | tralala | Coke, of course, it isn't. But if you want to have a windows experience in the linux world - go for ubuntu. |
| 11:28.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Coke, which is not a stability thing |
| 11:28.30 | xingu | Coke: demand a full refund, I would. |
| 11:28.33 | dante_2core | hellues, so you installed the nvidia-glx thing and the modules for the kernel as indicated there, amirite? |
| 11:28.37 | jim | ok, sure, but I'm making a different point here, which is that as you make the demand that software should be better in these ways, it's a volunteer effort. having said that, it's not bad for a volunteer effort... |
| 11:29.02 | dante_2core | hellues, maybe to start at the beginning - where is your problem? does X not start correctly? or don't you have opengl working? or is there just a weird error log? |
| 11:29.30 | jim | evidently his direct rendering is working, the kernel driver is working |
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| 11:29.37 | Coke | xingu & jim: I get your point, free stuff gives the user little room for demands. We can either settle with "well, Linux sucks because it's free" or "this free kernel WILL be a serious competitor to non-free ones" |
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| 11:30.06 | Coke | hellues: what exactly -isn't- working with your X setup? |
| 11:30.09 | jim | you willing to put your coding skills where your mouth is? |
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| 11:30.30 | folgore07 | hi |
| 11:30.34 | kgoetz | the kernel *is* a serious compeditor |
| 11:30.36 | xingu | Coke: you've got the source; also, the maintainers tend to respond to bug reports. |
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| 11:30.48 | kgoetz | >%50 of the time its xorgs fault that systems dont come back to life properly |
| 11:30.51 | hellues | Coke, |
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| 11:30.57 | Coke | jim: my expertese is in game logic, not kernels. and yes, I do have a very good quality assurance of my produce. |
| 11:31.12 | hellues | i wrote compiz it says failed to use direct-rendering using indirect rendering |
| 11:31.17 | kgoetz | Coke: on 15 architectures? |
| 11:31.17 | timonator | is there anything in place for using compiz fusion on debian without any ugly h4x? |
| 11:31.19 | hellues | is it problem |
| 11:31.42 | Coke | kgoetz: on whatever archs gcc supports. |
| 11:31.47 | dante_2core | hellues, sorry, I misread then - so does compiz indeed lag then or use lots of cpu, or does it just say so? |
| 11:32.01 | jim | I got rid of my compiz packages earlier for the same reason... I'm not all that curious right now (but I was before) |
| 11:32.06 | xingu | Coke: it's a two-way street; log a bug, and run with it until 2.6.22-4 is in stable |
| 11:32.09 | Coke | kgoetz: I beleive linux developers use the same compiler. |
| 11:32.10 | kgoetz | Coke: so you go and test your code on every arch gcc supports? *rofl* |
| 11:32.10 | dante_2core | timonator, yes, there's a repo I use |
| 11:32.33 | Coke | kgoetz: no, because my target audience does not run all those archs |
| 11:32.38 | jim | that's a lot of arches |
| 11:32.43 | kgoetz | jim: sure is |
| 11:32.47 | timonator | dante_2core: can you please share your stuff? :) |
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| 11:33.10 | dante_2core | In my very personal opinion, linux has an advantage you can't measure in technical ways - namely that it's the most social thing I've discovered in modern society, and it really gives me hope that humanity can be selfless |
| 11:33.11 | Coke | kgoetz: but I'd rather that linux worked 100% on my arch than having the option to run it on obscure super-minority type archs |
| 11:33.23 | dante_2core | timonator, I will, in a few minutes, gotta go afk for a sec |
| 11:33.28 | timonator | thanks a bunch! |
| 11:33.30 | tralala | Coke, I don't understand what you're trying to achieve by bitching about debian/linux in here. It's a take it or leave it kind of deal, and nobody says you have to take it. |
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| 11:33.36 | Coke | dante_2core: uhm, free software isn't selfless. in fact, I think it's the opposite. |
| 11:33.41 | kgoetz | Coke: i'd like it to work 100% too. i'm not a coder. it doesnt work. i file bug,s, and i try and help get it fixed |
| 11:34.10 | Coke | dante_2core: what I try achieve by making my code public domain is to attract more developers to make it grow. |
| 11:34.16 | xingu | tralala: strikes me they're complaining about low accuracy whilst swapping weapons aimed at a moving target, too |
| 11:34.29 | xingu | tralala: how often I wonder do new versions of windows get released |
| 11:34.38 | dante_2core | Coke, well, still, the whole community and support thing is very sociable |
| 11:34.40 | Coke | dante_2core: I do this out of self-interest, i want to see how many are interested in the project, I want praise and I want the project to expand. Most likely I also have a personal need for the project. |
| 11:34.47 | Coke | dante_2core: it's very social. |
| 11:35.01 | tralala | xingu, once every three debian releases. Yet they still bitch debian releases slowly :) |
| 11:35.06 | dante_2core | right, social. sorry for my bad english :( |
| 11:35.07 | Coke | And I would say this with high certainty, free software support is way more pleasant than commercial support. |
| 11:35.25 | dante_2core | timonator, re - do you have amd64 or x86? |
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| 11:36.12 | xingu | tralala: ... so the point is that given that the weapon is fixed and only the target is moving, it's little surpise that a well-patched windows release on hardware regression tested against it has a relatively high success rate. :) |
| 11:36.14 | timonator | i wanted to install a 64 bit arch debian, but i didn't have the proper installcd, and now i'm too lazy to re-install |
| 11:36.18 | kgoetz | Coke: what sort of code do you make, incidentally? |
| 11:36.26 | dante_2core | timonator, so you have x86 then? |
| 11:36.38 | timonator | yup |
| 11:36.47 | Coke | kgoetz: game logic, mostly graphically inclined |
| 11:36.58 | kgoetz | Coke: ah right. |
| 11:37.04 | xingu | I'd assume that for instance the Sun/HPQ systems run the distributions they ship with relatively well |
| 11:37.09 | dante_2core | timonator, then let me look for my repo. meanwhile: 1. use compiz fusion and not compiz generic, 2. use it from packages 3. update regularly |
| 11:37.21 | Coke | kgoetz: I used to be be quite active in the linux development, viewing code and testing portions of it, but that was before 2.4 |
| 11:37.22 | kgoetz | xingu: ditto ibm |
| 11:37.28 | timonator | yes, i want to use compiz fusion |
| 11:37.48 | Coke | kgoetz: it has sort of blown out of the scope of one person these days |
| 11:38.00 | xingu | I'd also anticipate that they'd run modern-ish software that expressly supports those build targets too |
| 11:38.03 | dante_2core | timonator, wait a bit, I have tons of sources and need to look where I have compiz fusion from ;) |
| 11:38.29 | xingu | but hey, lets spray some oranges green and yellow and compare them with pears |
| 11:39.17 | dante_2core | timonator, http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/ - click your way through, if you don't know how, ask |
| 11:39.24 | timonator | OK |
| 11:40.11 | dante_2core | timonator, if you have the sources, install compiz-fusion-kde or compiz-fusion-gnome, according to what you use as DE |
| 11:40.21 | tralala | xingu, heh. It's the usual misplaced blame. How is it linux' fault that the hardware manufacturers won't release specs or drivers? And how is it debian's fault that upstream releases don't release .debs for debian stable? |
| 11:40.28 | dante_2core | brb |
| 11:41.03 | erik2 | I DL-ed gnokii and built it, however, no trace of xgnokii ... what's the deal here ? |
| 11:41.06 | xingu | tralala: I rather like the freedom to throw off the straightjacket - and the price is pretty compelling too :) |
| 11:41.37 | Coke | tralala: I think the problem is that Debian isn't pragmatic when it comes to holding back on software due to bugs. |
| 11:41.41 | xingu | tralala: the cost of course is insourcing your own regression test; and participating in the bug hunt. |
| 11:41.55 | kgoetz | Coke: yes they do |
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| 11:42.05 | Coke | kgoetz: who does what? |
| 11:42.08 | xingu | cheap fast good, choose two |
| 11:42.14 | kgoetz | Coke: debian does hold packages back because of bugs |
| 11:42.25 | Coke | kgoetz: sometimes bugs that doesn't really matter that much |
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| 11:42.37 | kgoetz | Coke: anything marked RC will stop a bug migrating |
| 11:42.42 | Coke | kgoetz: you'll see that the definition of "stable" is more lenient in other distros |
| 11:42.46 | tralala | Coke, only rc bugs, which by definition matter a lot |
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| 11:43.15 | kgoetz | Coke: i dont see that, actually |
| 11:43.37 | Coke | kgoetz: compare what's available in the latest stable Ubuntu and similar. |
| 11:43.44 | xingu | Coke: I'll do it all for you if you want; USD2k/day should cover it |
| 11:43.49 | tralala | Coke, indeed. As well as their actual stability. |
| 11:43.52 | kgoetz | Coke: oh, i thought you were talking about real stability |
| 11:44.02 | Coke | xingu: do what for me? |
| 11:44.05 | xingu | Coke: I'll even give you 24x7 hotline for that |
| 11:44.06 | dante_2core | tr |
| 11:44.09 | dante_2core | re* |
| 11:44.16 | Coke | xingu: obviously, it's working for quite a large user base |
| 11:44.17 | xingu | Coke: keep your private repo up to the minute |
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| 11:44.53 | Coke | xingu: why should I need you for that? there are people doing this for free. |
| 11:45.05 | xingu | Coke: evidently not responsively enough though |
| 11:45.11 | timonator | how do i make gnome switch virtual desktops when i use the mouse wheel on the desktop background? |
| 11:45.18 | Coke | xingu: they are. Debian isn't. |
| 11:45.28 | Coke | xingu: but Debian is responsive enough for me on the Testing level. |
| 11:45.36 | dante_2core | timonator, in compiz or gnome itself? :D |
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| 11:45.55 | tralala | Coke, again what's the point of bitching about debian on #debian? |
| 11:46.22 | timonator | gnome, until i get compiz |
| 11:46.24 | Coke | tralala: I'm not bitching, I'm giving a point of view which is met with nonsensical claims of Debianistic super powers. |
| 11:46.40 | timonator | also, dante_2core, do i put that url into my sources.list? |
| 11:46.47 | Coke | tralala: I've been a Debian user since 2000, I like it, in fact it's the #1 OS in my oppinion, but that does not mean it's flawless. |
| 11:47.08 | dante_2core | timonator, my sources.list has this entry: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 11:47.17 | dante_2core | timonator, this can be different if you don't use sid, for example. |
| 11:47.20 | jim | Coke: agreed... but as you know software takes time to get right |
| 11:47.24 | timonator | all right |
| 11:47.35 | timonator | http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-etch/desktopfx/stable/ ./ would be mine then |
| 11:47.35 | Coke | tralala: addressing the issue that annoys me the most (the choice between broken or outdated, which other's comfortably joke about) isn't bitching. |
| 11:47.36 | dante_2core | Coke, I have no dellusions of grandeur, no system is perfect |
| 11:47.42 | Coke | jim: indeed. |
| 11:47.47 | dante_2core | timonator, I think so - test it :D |
| 11:48.04 | xingu | Coke: if you choose {fast,good} you don't get {free} |
| 11:48.09 | dante_2core | Coke, hmn - depends on what packages you use, I guess |
| 11:48.11 | kgoetz | however, i dont see stable as outdated |
| 11:48.12 | Coke | jim: software doesn't have to work 100%, some bugs you can live with. |
| 11:48.25 | Coke | xingu: I think that's bullox |
| 11:48.29 | jim | so "broken or outdated" would seem to be a judgement that doesn't take that fact into account |
| 11:48.32 | Coke | xingu: Debian is fast, good and free. |
| 11:48.33 | kgoetz | there is *nothing* i cant run or wont work on my systems as a result of using etch |
| 11:48.39 | tralala | Coke, you do realize that the length of the debian "stable" support gets it close to the enterprise offerings? Plenty of people are fine with this and the fact that a few aren't doesn't really matter that much. |
| 11:48.58 | xingu | Coke: how is pushing known-buggy packages into a stable distribution "good" ? |
| 11:48.59 | Coke | tralala: indeed. If I was running as server with 5 year old hardware I'd go with Debian stable. |
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| 11:49.08 | Coke | xingu: depends on the bugs |
| 11:49.18 | dante_2core | timonator, try and find the gnome binding system, it's gotta be somewhere in the settings |
| 11:49.23 | dante_2core | desktop settings, I guess |
| 11:49.29 | Coke | xingu: if you get 10 _required_ features and one bug of inconsequence to the users, go for it |
| 11:49.38 | dante_2core | timonator, and for compiz, see the compiz settings manager, you'll see it when you have ocmpiz installed |
| 11:49.42 | Coke | xingu: it's called being pragmatic |
| 11:49.50 | xingu | Coke: price "inconsequence to the users" for some term of "the users" |
| 11:49.52 | kgoetz | no, its called changing things |
| 11:50.01 | xingu | it's called wanting it all now for free |
| 11:50.08 | Coke | xingu: no. |
| 11:50.11 | maligor | Coke, some might opt for uptime over shiny features you actually don't need |
| 11:50.23 | timonator | woops: aptitude reports 9 broken packages :/ |
| 11:50.28 | jim | Coke: you realize that each package doesn't exist in a vacuum as well, I suppose... so what about that? many packages use things from other packages and are used by other packages. what does this imply about people? |
| 11:50.38 | Coke | xingu: if the bugs are of such a nature that I can live with them, but not having certain features is unusable, the case is clear. |
| 11:50.40 | xingu | Coke: debian's all about making the _right_ choice, not the pragmatic one |
| 11:50.47 | Coke | maligor: they can use stable. |
| 11:50.49 | xingu | Coke: and I for one salute it |
| 11:50.59 | xingu | Coke: if you want pragmatism, fork locally; most of us do. |
| 11:51.07 | Coke | maligor: but there is a balance, it doesn't have to be "anything goes" or "total bug free perfection" |
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| 11:51.14 | xingu | Coke: and wear the cost of regression testing and rebasing |
| 11:51.22 | tralala | Coke, I don't want my desktop to change every month. Newer software versions aren't always better and if I want a newer particular piece of software it isn't all that hard to get it. |
| 11:51.28 | Coke | xingu: naw, others do that so well already, I'd be superflous |
| 11:51.39 | Coke | tralala: that's not what I'm saying. |
| 11:51.52 | tralala | Coke, so what are you saying? |
| 11:52.13 | Coke | tralala: what I've been writing MANY times now is that if you REQUIRE a feature, like support for specific hardware or a type of functionality, it doesn't matter that there's a small inconsequential bug. |
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| 11:52.48 | xingu | one man's inconsequential bug is another man's RC-showstopper |
| 11:52.56 | tralala | Coke, that so true... if you're the only user |
| 11:53.13 | Coke | tralala: obviously I have a lot of people who agree with me or Ubuntu would not exist |
| 11:53.22 | xingu | aah, here we go. |
| 11:53.24 | et | well, then use ubuntu |
| 11:53.49 | xingu | see I run rc-failed shit locally; but I build it myself and when it goes bang I play bug hunting. |
| 11:53.53 | tralala | Coke, so why aren't you running ubuntu instead of arguing here? |
| 11:53.59 | xingu | that's how it happens, that's how it works |
| 11:54.00 | Coke | tralala: nor would any of the other Debian-based distros who boldly state "tired of not having non-free drivers available by default? tired of always waiting months for new features because of bugs that aren't show stopers?" |
| 11:54.10 | kgoetz | i think we need a law for this: "As the length of a discusion in #debian increases, the probability of a comparision with ubuntu reaches 1" |
| 11:54.18 | et | Coke: then use those, for f*** sake |
| 11:54.24 | xingu | I even do this commercially; simple backports, non-free, you name it; life sometimes favours {cheap,fast} |
| 11:54.26 | Coke | tralala: I'm arguing here because you're giving ye olde Debian defense of why the distro is either outdated or broken. |
| 11:54.40 | Coke | et: I'm not the demograph for those. |
| 11:54.42 | xingu | but it costs; I've quoted a price - there's margin in there for care-factor |
| 11:55.01 | et | things are different for a reason, if all distros would follow the same guidelines there'd be no reason for different distros |
| 11:55.06 | tralala | Coke, etch is not outdated. It's newer than anything released by Apple or Microsoft. |
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| 11:55.20 | Coke | xingu: Debian is free. For the person who thinks any bug, no matter how unnoticable it is, is an abomination, Debian stable provides a good platform. |
| 11:55.31 | xingu | et: if all distributions favoured {cheap,fast} we'd be dwelling in a soup too toxic to drink now. :) |
| 11:55.32 | Coke | xingu: I'd call that pretty high quality assurance |
| 11:55.46 | xingu | et: I'm glad that the glibc maintainer is old school debian in that regard. :) |
| 11:55.52 | Coke | tralala: not if you include patches. |
| 11:56.01 | Coke | tralala: if you only think of original release date of the project, sure. |
| 11:56.06 | et | so, pick a distro that suits you ... but if you argue "the distro i'm using should be like OTHERDISTRO, you could just use OTHERDISTRO |
| 11:56.11 | xingu | et: even if it means you miss out on nice toys like sysenter on hardware that could really, really use it |
| 11:56.15 | anxt | i trust my entire sears catalog archive to debian |
| 11:56.16 | Coke | et: I already did. |
| 11:56.21 | Coke | et: I chose Debian testing. |
| 11:56.32 | anxt | i have bra ads goin back to 1968 |
| 11:56.37 | Coke | et: for all it's fallacies, it's still the best option. |
| 11:56.41 | jim | Coke: if you include patches, you're again comparing two different kinds of things (apples/oranges) |
| 11:56.45 | anxt | i won't risk them on a weak distro |
| 11:56.45 | xingu | I have a four digit linuxcounter entry :) |
| 11:56.45 | kgoetz | anxt: o_0 |
| 11:56.51 | Coke | jim: no. |
| 11:57.01 | anxt | kgoetz: tmi ? |
| 11:57.09 | Coke | jim: I don't think the end users care whether it came on the original disk or is an update, as long as the latest feature is there and doesn't break the system severily. |
| 11:57.13 | kgoetz | anxt: wtf :p |
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| 11:57.26 | jim | whether the end users care is not what you said |
| 11:57.27 | anxt | kgoetz: it is a fetish, whatever. |
| 11:57.41 | kgoetz | Coke: the mythical user may not need 'new feature' |
| 11:57.42 | dante_2core | afk |
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| 11:57.45 | Coke | jim: so who does it matter to that the upgrades are in form of patches? |
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| 11:58.16 | anxt | binary patches or source patches?!?!?!?!?! |
| 11:58.29 | tralala | Coke, there's bpo and there's always the option to backport yourself |
| 11:58.30 | jim | thats not what you said, and I'm saying that comparison you made is between two different things |
| 11:58.36 | kgoetz | anxt: it doesnt matter, it still changes the way the app works |
| 11:58.45 | Coke | jim: all I know is that my options with Debian now is to have my Testing kernel image crash or use the Stable kernel which does not have support for my motherboard. Broken or outdated. |
| 11:58.53 | anxt | kgoetz: one is easier to understand ythough |
| 11:59.00 | kgoetz | Coke: so fucing fix it |
| 11:59.11 | Coke | tralala: I usualy build from source when I require something that is extravagantly new. |
| 11:59.25 | anxt | you guys use swear words???!?!?!?! |
| 11:59.31 | xingu | I think that if the release cycles on "feature" (vs those on function) are kicking your arse it's probably because the application concerned is monolithic in places it ought'n't be |
| 11:59.39 | Coke | kgoetz: no, I'm going to consider the feature non-available until there's a newer kernel image in Testing. |
| 11:59.40 | xingu | but hey |
| 11:59.46 | jim | oh, then you don't know how to compile your own kernel, or how to try other kernels? come on... this looked like a real discussion, and it's degenerating into an argument |
| 11:59.46 | anxt | my mom will be mad if she finds out i was in a chatroom with swears! |
| 12:00.00 | xingu | jim: this is being hit on the head lessons |
| 12:00.05 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 12:00.06 | Coke | kgoetz: I've been without proper, modern features many times while waiting for them to be implemented or bug fixed. In particular when it comes to hardware support. |
| 12:00.08 | anxt | can u help me hack netnanny? |
| 12:00.12 | kgoetz | anxt: zomg!! |
| 12:00.27 | anxt | i heard it was a winsock replacement |
| 12:00.39 | anxt | helpplease |
| 12:01.00 | Coke | anxt: what is netnanny? |
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| 12:01.09 | tralala | Coke, in any case with debian you have to choose between old and broken. This (hopefully) will not change anytime soon, so swallow it. |
| 12:01.11 | timonator | dante_2core: when i call compiz --replace, nothing happens at all |
| 12:01.13 | anxt | so my mom knows if i go on bad |
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| 12:01.31 | timonator | ah, compiz-manager works now |
| 12:01.35 | xingu | I think that there's a bloody good argument in favour of doing _something_ about improving release cycles on the "official" installer for _stable_ |
| 12:01.48 | Coke | tralala: I think it will change. WHen I started using Debian there was no experimental. I'm thinking as the community grows there will probably be more backports available as well as more intermediate states. |
| 12:02.10 | kgoetz | xingu: arnt they doing etcha nd a half? updated kernel to 22 or something similar |
| 12:02.12 | wols_ | xingu: which is why etch 4.5 was suggested |
| 12:02.17 | wols_ | bu s far nothing materilaized |
| 12:02.27 | xingu | but that's my personal religion because I'm a kernel junkie and it frightens me to see 2.6.18-whatever getting lit up on "it builds it boots ship it" 1mo old hardware |
| 12:02.28 | Coke | xingu: 5-6 years ago the stable installer contained bugs for up to 6 months before an official new release. |
| 12:02.33 | anxt | i hate the notion of community binaries |
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| 12:02.52 | anxt | some cocksucker like me could trojan it |
| 12:03.05 | simonrvn | anxt: right |
| 12:03.28 | wols_ | or worse: make netnanny mandatory on the install |
| 12:03.29 | xingu | wols_: sounds like a good plan but the kernel and the hardware it runs on moves in 3mo cycles now :| so release checkpoints won't cut it specifically for that |
| 12:03.36 | anxt | of course you are all so leet you would audit the source :) |
| 12:03.38 | jim | anxt: then debian probably isn't for you |
| 12:04.04 | anxt | jim: never thought it was |
| 12:04.19 | jim | anxt: also evidently you're not concerned about swearing at all |
| 12:04.19 | tralala | Coke, I see no point in intermediate states. The current system works fine for debian, and distros on top of debian are seen as more up-to-date debian. |
| 12:04.20 | xingu | wols_: I'm thinking making the semi-official new-kernel-installer-backports less semi- and more -official |
| 12:04.33 | anxt | jim: aparently not |
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| 12:04.40 | xingu | wols_: but I'm well aware of the costs there, it's a hideous juggling act |
| 12:04.53 | jim | so why do you want to hack the netnanny thing again? |
| 12:04.57 | wols_ | xingu: the only platform that needs that many kernel updates is x86 |
| 12:05.00 | timonator | ccsm seems to have trouble configuring compiz?! |
| 12:05.01 | anxt | jim: i am 14 i don't need the man telling me what to think! |
| 12:05.04 | timonator | but the dbus backend is on... |
| 12:05.05 | Coke | tralala: I'd rather that the Debian community handled user demand than exporting it to other, less serious projects. |
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| 12:05.16 | jim | (and please don't say you're worried about your mom) |
| 12:05.18 | wols_ | anxt: how is netnanny dbeian related? |
| 12:05.24 | timonator | dbus is running, too |
| 12:05.26 | simonrvn | jim: i guess you didn' notice the huge <facetious> tags around his/her speech |
| 12:05.29 | timonator | dante_2core: do you know that problem? |
| 12:05.33 | simonrvn | t |
| 12:05.36 | xingu | wols_: definitely agreed; and it's usually chipset or firmware or SMM/BIOS that is your trigger |
| 12:05.37 | anxt | wols_: i thihnk you could run it on wine>? |
| 12:05.41 | dante_2core | timonator, re, sorry |
| 12:05.42 | tralala | Coke, you can't change the nature of fundamental trade-offs |
| 12:05.54 | wols_ | anxt: is it part of debian? |
| 12:05.56 | dante_2core | timonator, wait, gotta read up |
| 12:06.03 | anxt | wols_: i heard you get awesome framerate on wine |
| 12:06.12 | xingu | wols_: for a while there someone was running a web page that would build a kernel-de-jour and wrap it in installer for you |
| 12:06.14 | wols_ | anxt: #winehq |
| 12:06.17 | Coke | tralala: the current setup of stable and testing has a lot of room in between |
| 12:06.21 | anxt | wols_: it should be under non-free |
| 12:06.33 | wols_ | !info nettnanny |
| 12:06.36 | wols_ | !info netnanny |
| 12:06.37 | dante_2core | timonator, you did install compiz-fusion-gnome, right? try disabling the dbus thingy, maybe it'll work then |
| 12:06.37 | jim | simonrvn: no, probably not... but he/she has been trolling off topic now for at least an hour or two that I know of |
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| 12:06.44 | timonator | oh?! |
| 12:06.45 | timonator | i see |
| 12:06.48 | xingu | wols_: maybe _that_'s the answer? I dunno; I can see the problems, if I had clarity I'd pipe up with a solution; but I can see all the problems from the hw-commercial and kernel side of the fence |
| 12:06.51 | wols_ | anxt: <dpkg> Package 'netnanny' does not exist. |
| 12:06.57 | dante_2core | timonator, well I don't know, just try |
| 12:07.00 | tralala | Coke, backports is there |
| 12:07.00 | wols_ | so pleas stop talking about it in here. thanks |
| 12:07.02 | Coke | tralala: but I'm accepting that trying to use the sequencer with certain user-space programs in Testing will hang the kernel. |
| 12:07.10 | simonrvn | jim: much longer ;). i had time to sleep a few hours ;) |
| 12:07.15 | timonator | i thought not having dbus would make it do what it does |
| 12:07.15 | anxt | wols_: can we talk about dansguardian ? |
| 12:07.27 | tralala | Coke, although it apparently isn't as attractive for the community as you seem to think |
| 12:07.49 | anxt | ok i shut up now |
| 12:07.49 | tsrepadmin | anybody got mailman running on a debian system? |
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| 12:07.49 | tsrepadmin | hi -) |
| 12:07.49 | wols_ | xingu: the comercial side about proprietary drivers and such doesn't bother debian. if you run debian you know there is nothing proprietary and you cannot give that up |
| 12:08.03 | anxt | jim: i would but i have no zero day! |
| 12:08.07 | wols_ | anxt: you can't troll here. you know what you are doing |
| 12:08.12 | simonrvn | !anyone |
| 12:08.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:08.16 | anxt | i am not trolling |
| 12:08.19 | Coke | tralala: it is. that's why Ubuntu got created and now they have a lot of users. I think a lot of them would rather have stuck with Debian, but they didn't want to choose between broken or outdated. |
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| 12:08.24 | tralala | Coke, this is why they call it "testing" - you're expected to dig into the problem and report a bug |
| 12:08.34 | Coke | tralala: not to mention a large plethora of other debian based projects. |
| 12:08.52 | simonrvn | tralala: that's what sid is for too, even more so |
| 12:08.58 | anxt | i am bitter cause my valentine survived. who woulda thought they woulda had oxygen on site. |
| 12:09.14 | Coke | tralala: I usually do, but actualy testing in testing isn't that easy. The kernel does not produce any debugable information by default. |
| 12:09.25 | tsrepadmin | simonrvn: I try to install mailman on debian with aptitude. but I have the problem that I don't know where to point my domain in apache |
| 12:09.36 | jim | !ops anxt troll |
| 12:09.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jim complains about: anxt troll |
| 12:09.42 | wols_ | anxt: keep it up and you give me reason to call !ops |
| 12:09.47 | wols_ | oops too late. someone already did |
| 12:09.54 | anxt | oh settle down |
| 12:09.54 | simonrvn | tralala: the one that you want for mailman |
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| 12:10.03 | simonrvn | tralala: sorry, that's for tsrepadmin |
| 12:10.03 | tralala | Coke, ubuntu is a proof of concept that debian can have a 6 month release cycle. A failing one. |
| 12:10.23 | timonator | dumb me |
| 12:10.24 | tralala | simonrvn, well, yes that one too. |
| 12:10.24 | bkw | strange, when I try to start my webserver with ssl certs I get Starting web server: lighttpd2008-02-16 12:55:21: (network.c.358) SSL: error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) /etc/ssl/certs/mydomain.crt why? |
| 12:10.38 | jim | anxt: I'm thinking there's no chance to get you to learn what this channel is about and act accordingly... hence, I no longer wish to deal with you |
| 12:10.50 | simonrvn | i'm not sure a six month cycle is a good idea, 16K packages is a lot of stuff |
| 12:10.58 | anxt | jim: ok. |
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| 12:11.07 | wols_ | simonrvn: not to mention 13 platforms |
| 12:11.12 | Coke | tralala: your rigid philosophy that it has to be outdated or broken is what makes Debian lose the #1 position. |
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| 12:11.17 | simonrvn | bkw: configure it properly |
| 12:11.19 | anxt | jim: you would prolly find i had a lot to imput, but i will be banned instead lol :) |
| 12:11.22 | wols_ | and then debian is fuly made of volunteers |
| 12:11.25 | tsrepadmin | simonrvn: which one |
| 12:11.31 | anxt | lol |
| 12:11.32 | Coke | tralala: I think there's lots of room for atracting more users through intermediate phases. |
| 12:11.34 | anxt | smoke time |
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| 12:11.55 | jim | anxt: I've seen your input, it's not all that inspiring |
| 12:11.57 | simonrvn | tsrepadmin: one you assigned it o_O. most people do lists.domain.tld for it |
| 12:12.04 | wols_ | jim: ignore him please |
| 12:12.16 | simonrvn | /ig -replies anxt |
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| 12:12.38 | tsrepadmin | simonrvn i did mm.domain.de |
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| 12:12.56 | simonrvn | tsrepadmin: so point an apache vhost at that and set it up |
| 12:13.35 | jim | done. |
| 12:13.37 | tsrepadmin | simonrvn: oh i see what you mean. i was never asked where to assign the web interface to |
| 12:13.43 | anxt | jim: never claimed inspiring. just reused ruby code that worked |
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| 12:13.58 | tsrepadmin | simonrvn: i just want to assign mm.domain.de to the web interface but i cannot find it |
| 12:13.59 | anxt | my spoon is too big! |
| 12:14.00 | tralala | Coke, I don't think attracting new users is a valid goal for the debian project. Nor it should be. The current goals and the way they are followed makes debian what it is and I don't really want to see debian become ubuntu. |
| 12:14.36 | kgoetz | atracting users is such a stupid goal |
| 12:14.59 | simonrvn | tsrepadmin: set up vhost, have the mailman cgi configured in it. there's already the basic stuff there in the package |
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| 12:15.43 | simonrvn | tralala: seconded |
| 12:15.54 | tsrepadmin | simnonrvn: yes, but WHERE is the mailman cgi |
| 12:16.26 | Coke | tralala: how on earth did you interpret my statement as a wish to make debian ubuntu? |
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| 12:17.06 | simonrvn | people bitch and complain about the release cycles, they have even before i started off, and they'll continue to do so. there has been one reform of it since i started with debian.... they might change it up again, but for the most part it looks the same in a lot of respects. |
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| 12:17.22 | anxt | ok serious q then |
| 12:17.47 | anxt | will the unionfs patch 2.6.18.6 apply cleanly to 2.6.18 debian? |
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| 12:17.58 | Coke | simonrvn: release cycles become less important with good backports |
| 12:18.01 | anxt | i have this tupid embedded |
| 12:18.06 | Orfeous | hi everyone! got some problems while trying to upgrade libc6 |
| 12:18.13 | cusco | hi... |
| 12:18.15 | Orfeous | this is how it looks |
| 12:18.17 | Orfeous | http://pastebin.ca/906178 |
| 12:18.19 | tralala | Coke, well ubuntu wants to attract users and you want debian to attract users. You seem to forget though, that the reason debian has attracted so many users is because it's rock solid. |
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| 12:18.47 | Coke | tralala: indeed, the stable branch has a large group of users. but so does testing. |
| 12:19.09 | jim | Orfeous: why are you upgrading that lib? |
| 12:19.09 | Coke | tralala: if the debian project would have followed your directive there would not have been a testing nor an experimental |
| 12:19.25 | Coke | tralala: just stable for users and unstable for developers. |
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| 12:19.34 | simonrvn | the only reason that debian isn't used by major corps is because mgt. has decided that having a support contract is better than having something rock solid |
| 12:19.36 | anxt | debian stock 2,6.18-6 doesn't have unionfs patch ? |
| 12:19.41 | Orfeous | jim: can't install any other package if that isnt upgraded |
| 12:19.42 | cusco | I am trying to boot another linux distro from the same grub instalation that I have on debian... I noticed that the partition where the new distro is installed is not mounted - so I cannot tell grub to load /media/test/boot/vmlinuz* and initrd* instead of /boot/vm* |
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| 12:19.46 | simonrvn | isn't used more by * |
| 12:19.48 | Coke | tralala: lucky for me, someone in Debian thought Testing would be a good idea. |
| 12:20.02 | simonrvn | (not that i'd consider that a good criterion ;) |
| 12:20.03 | tralala | Coke, the debian project follows the goals of the debian project. I was merely expressing my support for them and the way debian does it. |
| 12:20.21 | bkw | simonrvn: I've configured as the documentation describes. http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/Docs%3ASSL#how-to-install-ssl |
| 12:20.22 | wols_ | cusco: wrong. nothing is ever "mounted" when grub runs |
| 12:20.38 | cusco | wols_: I noticed :P - how does it find /boot then? |
| 12:20.38 | wols_ | cusco: you simply add the boot stanza for your new OS to the current menu.lst |
| 12:20.48 | wols_ | you tell it where it is |
| 12:21.20 | hoxu | simonrvn, or because someone asked the bloody lawyers who love to say they need someone to exist who can be sued for problems... and how often that happens? never? :p |
| 12:21.25 | wols_ | roald__: the "root (...)" line in your menu.lst tells grub where the kernel is |
| 12:21.27 | simonrvn | bkw: it isn't very hard, just have your private key and cert together in the file, plus ca cert in the other config option for it... just make sure your file permissions are tight |
| 12:21.40 | simonrvn | hoxu: hehe |
| 12:21.42 | wols_ | cusco: ^^ |
| 12:21.43 | Coke | tralala: sounds to me like you think Testing was a bad idea. I support stable, testing, unstable and any other states the community wish to add. you only support those of use to you. |
| 12:22.01 | cusco | ahh right! the bott stanza ... thanks wols_ |
| 12:22.07 | cusco | boot |
| 12:22.09 | anxt | i like testing cause it is stable |
| 12:22.10 | bkw | simonrvn: I've done that, perms are 600 for the files. |
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| 12:22.23 | jim | cusco: the concept of mounting is probably for the kernel... grub doesn't have a kernel running before it loads the kernel |
| 12:22.26 | hoxu | Coke, testing serves a purpose, what point are you trying to make? :P |
| 12:22.28 | Coke | tralala: if the Debian community decides to add more backports to stable or something in between stable and testing I'll be all for that too. |
| 12:22.28 | anxt | security backports are mostly irrelevant for me |
| 12:22.41 | jim | mounting isn't the only way to do low level access |
| 12:22.41 | kgoetz | this discussion is getting boring :/ |
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| 12:23.03 | simonrvn | bkw: the right owner/group too, eh |
| 12:23.05 | anxt | LKM |
| 12:23.08 | wols_ | konsumer_: skip the "getting" it IS boring. and th troll doesn't help |
| 12:23.12 | jim | kgoetz: you mean for some reason other than how it repeatedly crops up? |
| 12:23.14 | anxt | that is the biggest potential breach |
| 12:23.17 | Coke | kgoetz: well, I keep hearing the nonsense argument "well, I use stable so therefore it must be the only valid version" and similar... It bugs me. |
| 12:23.23 | Orfeous | jim: any suggestions? |
| 12:23.48 | kgoetz | jim: no, the way this exact instance has looped about 5 times in an hour :/ |
| 12:23.56 | jim | Orfeous: have you mixed stable and testing? |
| 12:23.57 | anxt | unstable is way behind gentoo ~x86 |
| 12:23.59 | bkw | simonrvn: yep, www-data:www-data which is the user the webserer runs as |
| 12:24.11 | kgoetz | Coke: tbh, i think your repeatedly twisting or misunderstanding what people say. |
| 12:24.21 | kgoetz | that aside, i'm off to sleep. night all, enjoy your evenings :) |
| 12:24.30 | simonrvn | stable is the current release, that's all. the others exists because they do, and if you run those others, you're expected to help out and file bugs, and help out figuring out how to fix those bugs |
| 12:24.31 | anxt | fortunately i think gentoo uses suhosin patch by default now |
| 12:24.36 | Coke | kgoetz: I think most people have been quite clear what they think of users who are not interested in either stable or unstable. |
| 12:24.39 | Orfeous | jim: no, its only unstable.. but i just found this.. http://groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/6ce9dd93f859530b/7a4a080798b4a62c?lnk=raot |
| 12:24.48 | jim | kgoetz: it would stand to reason that it's questionable that someone who tries to loop the discussion is not trolling |
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| 12:25.18 | jim | s/questionable that/questionable whether/ |
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| 12:25.57 | simonrvn | bkw: ok, and you sure it's the right pem, the right key, and the processe's runtime is www-data too? (that last one got me when i was trying it out) |
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| 12:26.08 | jim | Coke: the bottom line is you can run what you want... |
| 12:26.12 | Orfeous | jim: "A quick workaround is to remove /lib/tls/* and then continue the upgrade." |
| 12:26.15 | Orfeous | its working |
| 12:26.18 | anxt | does testing apache chroot? |
| 12:26.39 | jim | but why did your system get that way |
| 12:26.39 | bolt | how do I switch from oss to alsa? I did the alsa one-liner from dpkg, but how can I switch? |
| 12:26.42 | cusco | jim: I thought the same... but grub can read teh filesystem... and I called it mount.. |
| 12:27.03 | simonrvn | ordinarily that /lib/tls should get tossed (in the prerm IIRC) but for some reason it doesn't always catch that |
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| 12:27.16 | wols_ | Orfeous: what is your current libc6? |
| 12:27.18 | jim | cusco, oh, ok... so we misused a word |
| 12:27.20 | Arelis | wols_, Hi there. Debian's been stable so far and gaming works fine, screen resolution issues have been resolved. But what can i do with my Debian box now? |
| 12:27.22 | simonrvn | i think it's in the bts that one |
| 12:27.26 | anxt | openbsd is still using 1.4 apache |
| 12:27.45 | kqrdeb | hey i have a setup where i want two users to store things in /home/shared... that is fine and well, but every program supposes the users want to store things in their home directory... can i change that in some way or is the easiest solution to have some shortcut to /home/shared in each home directory? |
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| 12:27.48 | Penix | anxt: no one cares |
| 12:27.49 | wols_ | Arelis: whatever you want? |
| 12:28.04 | jim | Arelis: what do you want to do with it? |
| 12:28.11 | anxt | Penix really ? |
| 12:28.20 | wols_ | Penix: please don't feed |
| 12:28.25 | bkw | simonrvn: yep.. both the u/g in the lighttpd.conf are set to www-data, but I can't start the process since it fails |
| 12:28.34 | anxt | hey i wasn't trying to troll |
| 12:28.41 | anxt | dammit i am marked now lol |
| 12:29.00 | Orfeous | wols_: 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
| 12:29.11 | anxt | i am running latest apcahe no chrooted at home for months |
| 12:29.15 | simonrvn | bkw: checked the log? that's often more useful than the run-time error in stderr |
| 12:29.17 | Arelis | jim, wols_: I want to be able to browse websites, youtube.. I want to be able to play games, i want to have an animation studio (Adobe Flash CS3), I want to do school/homework with it, i want to communicate with my friends via MSN, i want to listen to music and watch video's. |
| 12:29.31 | jim | Arelis: the point is that debian (and really most debian stuff is brought in from the outside and built) |
| 12:29.37 | wols_ | Arelis: then what preevnts you from doing all these things? |
| 12:29.44 | bkw | simonrvn: nogthing in error/access.log |
| 12:29.47 | Arelis | wols_, i'm inexperienced with debian/ |
| 12:29.47 | bkw | nothing |
| 12:29.50 | anxt | suhosin patch is worthwhile though |
| 12:29.57 | jim | has a surprisingly large collection of software available for it |
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| 12:30.16 | Arelis | wols_, I know how to find my way (albeit not completely) in Ubuntu, but this is my first Debian install |
| 12:30.18 | anxt | if it were just staic pages apache would be way easier to secure |
| 12:30.26 | wols_ | Arelis: try to do some specific task and if you have problems with it, tell us about it. we might be able to help. questions like "what can I do with dbeian" are simply stupid, sorry |
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| 12:30.28 | hoxu | Arelis, iceweasel, flashplugin-nonfree, wine, openoffice, pidgin, amarok, mplayer... install those? :) |
| 12:30.37 | simonrvn | bkw: btw, this is mine, what i got during my tests, that worked: ssl.pemfile = "/etc/lighttpd/ssl/domain/subdomain.pem"\nssl.ca-file = "/etc/ssl/cacert.pem"\n (inside a $SERVER["socket"] stanza) |
| 12:30.50 | anxt | mmm lightty! |
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| 12:30.59 | anxt | lightty > apache |
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| 12:31.16 | maligor | telnet > iceweasel |
| 12:31.25 | jim | it's not so much that the question is stupid, it's really a different question: "What is debian? what is linux?" |
| 12:31.38 | simonrvn | maligor: hehe |
| 12:31.41 | anxt | gnu/linux |
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| 12:31.52 | bkw | simonrvn: http://pastebin.ca/906184 |
| 12:31.52 | anxt | i think richard stallman is a dick for the most part |
| 12:31.58 | anxt | but he has a point |
| 12:32.02 | anxt | GNU/Linux |
| 12:32.08 | anxt | no gcc no linux |
| 12:32.11 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 12:32.11 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
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| 12:33.12 | anxt | gnu autotools are cool |
| 12:33.24 | anxt | autogen.sh |
| 12:33.36 | simonrvn | bkw: you might have an issues with that.... lighttpd is like apache in that, you need to set a particular host for it, not just :443 |
| 12:33.41 | anxt | i do NOT understand the fortran checks every time though |
| 12:33.48 | Arelis | Where can i find documentation for debian and where do i search programs? |
| 12:33.51 | salvin | anxt, use gnewsense :) |
| 12:33.52 | simonrvn | (i think that wiki covers it...) |
| 12:33.58 | anxt | why does evey configure need to test for fortran ? |
| 12:34.02 | hoxu | !tell Arelis about search |
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| 12:34.30 | hoxu | Arelis, general debian info? Start looking from www.debian.org |
| 12:35.23 | anxt | autoconf automake |
| 12:35.28 | bkw | simonrvn: still the same adding host:443 :( |
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| 12:35.36 | anxt | i can make a cool looking release out of my garbage code |
| 12:36.02 | anxt | i don't understand libtool though |
| 12:36.11 | Arelis | ooh. |
| 12:36.23 | Arelis | on Ubuntu, i felt forced to use GNOME. Am i not, on Debian? are they all equal in quality? |
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| 12:36.32 | Arelis | (i just saw the wiki page on desktop environments) |
| 12:36.35 | simonrvn | bkw: is that in the main file, or in a separate one? |
| 12:36.42 | xand | Arelis: you certainly don't need to use gnome |
| 12:36.48 | simonrvn | bkw: though i don't think that matters much... |
| 12:36.49 | anxt | i am on debian |
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| 12:36.53 | bkw | simonrvn: main file |
| 12:36.54 | anxt | i don't have xorg |
| 12:36.54 | jim | Arelis: you don't need graphics of any kind to use debian/ubuntu/linux/unix |
| 12:37.26 | simonrvn | jim: yeh you do, how else are you going to see the text scrolling by? |
| 12:37.32 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 12:37.41 | kqrdeb | hey i have a setup where i want two users to store things in /home/shared... that is fine and well, but every program supposes the users want to store things in their home directory... can i change that in some way or is the easiest solution to have some shortcut to /home/shared in each home directory? |
| 12:38.16 | jim | simonrvn: ok, you got me :P of course I meant you don't need x window system |
| 12:38.20 | simonrvn | either from the machine itself, or the machine you're sshing from, you'll need some video ;) (unless you use a screen reader) |
| 12:38.57 | anxt | i ahve this cool embedded |
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| 12:39.15 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: shared stuff is found in /usr/local, or elsewhere. that's why /usr and /var exist |
| 12:40.16 | anxt | http://www.wdlsystems.com/modperl/view_services.cgi?r=detail&prod_num=1EBX453&aisle_id=1030 |
| 12:40.18 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: each user's ~/ has *personal* items in it, usually individual settings and private data |
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| 12:40.50 | anxt | possibky unionfs mount?> |
| 12:40.55 | testergg1 | Hi all, got linux etch box on internal network, 2 nics, 1st nic used to communicate with others on network (192.168.5.151, netmask 255.255.255.0, gw 192.168.5.1) 2nd nic to be connected to another network 192.168.1.x, configured as 192.168.1.151 netmask 255.255.255.0 no gateway. can ping and communicate out of nic 1 without any problems, added route route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 to force traffic destined for 192.168.1.x |
| 12:40.55 | testergg1 | over eth0, but can't ping the other computer 192.168.1.2, however 192.168.1.2 can ping 192.168.1.151, any suggestions |
| 12:41.10 | kqrdeb | simonrvn: ok... so is there any reason to not use my own /home/shared for both users? |
| 12:41.13 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: i don't know your background, but you have this in more recent windows and mac os versions |
| 12:41.46 | simonrvn | in windows it would be their "profile folder", and mac os their home as well |
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| 12:42.25 | chandor | kqrdeb: if these users are not different incarnations of you and can login simultaneously then expect problems/data corruption |
| 12:42.44 | hoxu | kqrdeb, you want to simple sharing of certain file, right? |
| 12:42.47 | kqrdeb | chandor: what did you mean by that? |
| 12:42.50 | hoxu | krim, *files |
| 12:42.57 | kqrdeb | hoxu: of multiple files, yes, i |
| 12:43.01 | hoxu | krim, sorry, wrong target :/ |
| 12:43.07 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: i don't see much point in using /home that way. sure you could put shared stuff there, but you have to be mindful of permissions, group memberships, etc. |
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| 12:43.11 | hoxu | kqrdeb, no program settings or anything? |
| 12:43.32 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: shared implies not private data |
| 12:43.43 | chandor | kqrdeb: say, ~/mozilla -- imagine it is used by both users at the same time |
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| 12:43.50 | kqrdeb | simonrvn: yes, i have fixed the permissions, group memberships and such |
| 12:43.52 | simonrvn | (though it could be private to the group, but that's another thing) |
| 12:44.17 | Arelis | jim, yes but i do prefer a graphical environment for it's ease of use and because i like to draw stuff. |
| 12:44.20 | hoxu | kqrdeb, you could create /home/shared, chmod user.user it and chmod g+s it, that way all new files in the directory will be owned by the user group |
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| 12:44.37 | hoxu | kqrdeb, sorry, user=users |
| 12:45.01 | Arelis | jim, unless there's a drawing program for framebuffer consoles :) |
| 12:45.14 | Arelis | jim, that has support for my Wacom tablet.. |
| 12:45.17 | hoxu | kqrdeb, you also need to add both users in the group with adduser <user> <group> |
| 12:45.33 | testergg1 | maybe someone can recommend a website or any help, it would be greatly appreciated |
| 12:45.48 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: the context changes when you do group things, so things like someone's .vimrc or .emacs won't be group shared, for instance |
| 12:46.25 | kqrdeb | thing is, i've previously used my ~/ to store films, music and so on... now i have two users, who needs to access the same files... it is approximately the same user, though i need to keep separate settings... so i have set up two users with separate home directories for the settings, and now i want both users to use /home/shared/ to store their files so they are easily accessible by both |
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| 12:47.09 | hoxu | kqrdeb, yup, see above for chmods you need |
| 12:47.15 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: that's doable... like hoxu said, they need to be in the same group |
| 12:47.45 | hoxu | kqrdeb, the g+s part is important for directories, otherwise when new files are created the other user does not have permissions to them |
| 12:47.47 | simonrvn | (i though you said you were mindful of it.... anyway ;) |
| 12:47.51 | pingouin_ | what should i use to tell debian not start apache/mysql at boot time ? (i wish to start it by myself when needed) please |
| 12:48.15 | simonrvn | pingouin_: update-rc.d |
| 12:48.30 | simonrvn | or use some frontend like rcconf/sysvconfig/... |
| 12:48.48 | pingouin_ | simonrvn: thanks, i check the man of those |
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| 12:50.03 | kqrdeb | hoxu: yes, they are... i've set up pretty much everything, the thing is... when i save a new document i've edited in, say, mousepad, it launches the save dialog box in ~/ but i want it to launch in /home/shared/ |
| 12:50.21 | kqrdeb | (that's pointed at simonrvn as well :P) |
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| 12:51.08 | hoxu | kqrdeb, that's a tricky question, I think it depends on what toolkit save dialog it uses, not sure if it's possible to change the default dir in all, some allow "bookmarks" though |
| 12:51.20 | simonrvn | kqrdeb: that's rather silly/easy, have it start in /home/shared. when you launch it via the menu, most apps start in the user's ~/ |
| 12:51.50 | kqrdeb | simonrvn: if it's that easy, good :) |
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| 12:52.11 | rorr | err 67: Custom distribution education does not exist : education-laptop and education-desktop-gnome broken, preventing any other install or upgrade. help much needed ; ) |
| 12:52.22 | kqrdeb | else, can i create a shortcut in each ~/ that leads to /home/shared/? |
| 12:52.39 | hoxu | kqrdeb, symbolic link should do, ln -s |
| 12:53.20 | timonator | of course you can |
| 12:53.28 | kqrdeb | hoxu: ok, when we're into symlinks, what are they and how do they work? i need to use them for the next step of my idea and i have never used them before... you got any link with good information? |
| 12:54.47 | pingouin_ | is there a way to know the runlevel i am currently ? |
| 12:55.22 | liable | pingouin_: runlevel |
| 12:56.04 | pingouin_ | ok, many thanks |
| 12:56.07 | pingouin_ | liable |
| 12:56.12 | liable | np |
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| 12:56.47 | Yarcanox | what is the easiest way to enable the java functionality for epiphany |
| 12:57.06 | pingouin_ | simonrvn: thanks, rcconf doing great job ;) |
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| 12:58.41 | mcgreg | hi, anyone can tell me where I can get "gtkdocize" for debian? google wasnt very helpful |
| 12:59.07 | wols_ | !tell mcgreg about search |
| 12:59.17 | kqrdeb | simonrvn: how do i make the program run in /home/shared/ in a smooth way? |
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| 13:00.03 | mcgreg | wols_: if you want me to suggets to try apt search ... I tried that at first |
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| 13:00.50 | wols_ | mcgreg: I want you to actually read what you've been told |
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| 13:02.04 | hoxu | kqrdeb, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link :p |
| 13:02.22 | kqrdeb | hoxu: hehe ok, silly of me to not check that one first ^^ |
| 13:03.05 | hoxu | kqrdeb, it works mostly like a normal directory except it just points to a real one |
| 13:03.08 | mcgreg | wols_: well, I did, but the "standard" way of searching didn't help, thats why I asked |
| 13:03.16 | hoxu | kqrdeb, or a file, but in this case you want it to point to directory :) |
| 13:03.30 | kqrdeb | hoxu: ok seems good :) |
| 13:03.51 | wols_ | mcgreg: I gave you a way that DOES work and find what you search for |
| 13:03.58 | Orion_X11 | Where can I find help for epiphany web browser? Is there a channel for that? |
| 13:04.08 | wols_ | mcgreg: so why are you continuing to ask? |
| 13:04.54 | wols_ | Orion_X11: just ask your question here for starters |
| 13:04.58 | rorr | err 67: Custom distribution education does not exist : education-laptop and education-desktop-gnome broken, preventing any other install or upgrade. help much needed ; ) --> reinstall, -f, dpkg --purge --force-all etc do not change anything |
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| 13:05.12 | Orion_X11 | , I got an annoying problem with Epiphany browser. Each time I open the browser it appear "work offline" option, anyone has a solution to start it in a "normal way"? (I know "work offline" is unchecked but once the browser is closed and re opened appear checked once again). any suggestion? |
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| 13:06.16 | lucasdc | is it possible to change the linux console font color? |
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| 13:07.26 | hoxu | lucasdc, ansi codes? |
| 13:08.22 | lucasdc | hoxu: yes |
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| 13:09.37 | lucasdc | hoxu: i know there is a configuration file where i can change the font.. but what about the font color? |
| 13:10.10 | hoxu | lucasdc, oh, you mean the default console color... no clue about that |
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| 13:10.24 | shyam_k | where can i ask doubts about autoconf and automake? |
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| 13:11.48 | Anonissimus | would it be possible to put debian on an eeepc? |
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| 13:12.18 | HyperDevil | hi guys, i have 4x 500GB software Raid array... i just tested it pulling out one disk and rebooted the machine.. i get this error: Grub Error 22 :( |
| 13:12.26 | liable | Anonissimus: yes |
| 13:12.34 | liable | Anonissimus: see wiki.debian.org |
| 13:12.41 | Buzz_ | is there anyway to drop into a shell "within" the initrd of debian. im getting a kernel-panic on boot just after initrd has finished. |
| 13:12.50 | mcgreg | wols_: oh you were right. I'm sorry |
| 13:12.55 | mcgreg | wols_: thx you |
| 13:12.57 | liable | Anonissimus: also #debian-eeepc on oftc |
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| 13:14.13 | Buzz_ | oh. and my bootloader is lilo. i want to try and get the system booting up. |
| 13:14.23 | Yarcanox | where is my iceweasel plugin directory? |
| 13:14.51 | Buzz_ | the error before fail is an "invalid argument" to mounting /dev/ on /root/dev and then i get a kernel panic |
| 13:15.21 | abrotman | Yarcanox: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ ? |
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| 13:15.30 | Buzz_ | if i could break into this somehow, i could manually mount root and fix the machine (it is a remote machine) |
| 13:16.41 | Yarcanox | abrotman java doesn't work :< |
| 13:16.51 | Yarcanox | I just installed the plugin, now the "plugin needed"-message disappeared |
| 13:16.56 | Yarcanox | but there is just no java plugin visible |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | in about:plugins ? |
| 13:17.07 | Yarcanox | just an empty place where it should be. no broken image or something similar as placeholder |
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| 13:17.24 | Yarcanox | I made a symbolic link in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 13:17.31 | Yarcanox | as all those installation manuals told me |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | Yarcanox: other options .. /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ .. or something like that |
| 13:17.49 | startxwhite | i have an orinoco gold classic pcmcia card which works ok on debian etch but i can not put it in monitor mode. Firmware determined as Lucent/Agere 8.72 and the driver is orinoco_cs 0.15 |
| 13:17.53 | abrotman | Yarcanox: how did you install java ? |
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| 13:18.16 | Yarcanox | abroatman the plugin-needed-thing _disappeared_. so it's installed. but doesn't work. I downloaded sun's self-extracting bin and installed it to /usr/java |
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| 13:18.23 | Arelis | What complete desktop environments (with plug-and-play features) are there for me to try? Also, what is the best place to ask these kind of questions? |
| 13:18.23 | Yarcanox | and then made the symbolic link to the browser plugin |
| 13:18.39 | Yarcanox | about:plugins lists the java plugin |
| 13:18.43 | Yarcanox | and tells me all the stuff is enabled |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | Arelis: probably the two biggies are gnome and kde |
| 13:20.28 | Yarcanox | abrotman there is a .xpt file for every plugin, just not for the java thing |
| 13:20.30 | chandor | Yarcanox: make sure Edit/Prefs/Content/Enable Java is on and smth like NoScript doesn't block java |
| 13:20.33 | Yarcanox | (as I have only been told to link .so) |
| 13:20.39 | Yarcanox | no noscript installed, java is enabled |
| 13:20.53 | abrotman | Yarcanox: how did you install java ? |
| 13:20.55 | metaperl | Arelis: you maen besides KDE and Gnome? |
| 13:21.03 | Yarcanox | <Yarcanox> abroatman the plugin-needed-thing _disappeared_. so it's installed. but doesn't work. I downloaded sun's self-extracting bin and installed it to /usr/java |
| 13:21.04 | Arelis | metaperl, yes. |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | Yarcanox: do you have contrib/non-free sources? |
| 13:21.21 | metaperl | Arelis: I have heard of something called Beryl |
| 13:21.25 | hoxu | Arelis, feel free to ask here, if there's a better channel to as ka question we'll tell you |
| 13:21.30 | Yarcanox | abrotman what do you mean? |
| 13:21.33 | metaperl | probably #linux is a good channel |
| 13:21.38 | abrotman | metaperl: beryl is dead .. and not a desktop environment |
| 13:21.42 | abrotman | !install java |
| 13:21.42 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 13:21.42 | Yarcanox | I downloaded sun's self-extracting archive from their site |
| 13:21.44 | Yarcanox | surely this is non-free |
| 13:21.47 | metaperl | oh... ok abrotman then answer him |
| 13:21.51 | abrotman | metaperl: i did |
| 13:22.01 | metaperl | i mean what others besides kde and gnome? |
| 13:22.08 | Yarcanox | huh you could have told me earlier that there is a package for the plugins =P lol |
| 13:22.09 | Arelis | abrotman, I know of GNOME and KDE. Is there anything beside 'em? |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | Arelis: maybe xfce .. e17 .. |
| 13:22.17 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 13:22.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 13:22.23 | metaperl | on enlightenment? is that e17? |
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| 13:22.41 | abrotman | Yarcanox: you didn't ask earlier .. you just went and did the ./run thing :) |
| 13:22.41 | metaperl | gnustep perhaps |
| 13:22.41 | Yarcanox | how can I enable the non-free repository? |
| 13:22.47 | abrotman | !tell Yarcanox about contrib |
| 13:22.50 | abrotman | !tell Yarcanox about non-free |
| 13:22.50 | Yarcanox | yes abrotman because that should work, too |
| 13:22.54 | Yarcanox | but it didn't :< |
| 13:22.55 | Arelis | abrotman, wow, many people are voting for windowmaker |
| 13:22.58 | Arelis | what's so great about it? |
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| 13:23.15 | abrotman | Yarcanox: i've never tried your method for java .. that's the method i do use for flash though |
| 13:23.15 | metaperl | Why is firefox called Iceweasel under etch? |
| 13:23.39 | abrotman | Arelis: i used wmaker at one time .. it is nice .. i wouldn't call it plug/play .. but whatever |
| 13:23.51 | hoxu | !tell metaperl about why iceweasel |
| 13:23.57 | abrotman | metaperl: e17 is enlightenment |
| 13:24.25 | metaperl | xwinman.org is a great page... never heard of it.. thanks for the link!!! |
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| 13:26.08 | simonrvn | abrotman: good morning |
| 13:26.10 | Pete_B | what happens when I format a disk partitioned as FAT with mkfs.ext3 without previously declaring it ext3 in fdisk? fdisk reckons it's FAT16. I've written data to it. |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | hisimonrvn! |
| 13:26.41 | Yarcanox | the package sun-java6-plugin doesn't exist :< |
| 13:27.03 | simonrvn | abrotman: :) |
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| 13:28.09 | Pete_B | you need backports.org for sun-java6-plugin, for i386 only |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | but java5 is in etch already |
| 13:28.55 | Yarcanox | where? |
| 13:29.07 | Yarcanox | I added non-free to the sources list, apt-get can't find it (I did apt-get update) |
| 13:29.14 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-plugin etch |
| 13:29.17 | simonrvn | Pete_B: i don't think the linux kernel cares |
| 13:29.17 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 13:29.21 | Eulex | are you sure you did it right then? |
| 13:29.43 | Yarcanox | I unpacked the self-extracting archive like having been told on java.com |
| 13:29.49 | Yarcanox | then I added the symbolic link in the correct directory |
| 13:29.50 | abrotman | Yarcanox: you did an apt-get update ? |
| 13:29.52 | Pete_B | simonrvn: do you think I could re-label it ext3 in fdisk without losing the data then? |
| 13:30.00 | Yarcanox | if there's something else I need to do, no, I haven't done it right |
| 13:30.13 | Yarcanox | otherwise, yes, I did everything those sites told me :/ |
| 13:30.17 | Yarcanox | abrotman yes |
| 13:30.25 | abrotman | Yarcanox: apt-cache search java5 |
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| 13:30.33 | hoxu | Pete_B, fdisk doesn't touch the actual contents, so prolly... with the usual warnings about backups & touching partition tables :) |
| 13:30.40 | Yarcanox | abrotman zero results |
| 13:30.52 | Pete_B | Yarcanox: on of the the troubles with Linux is that upstream web sites tell you to get their software from them rather than from your distribution |
| 13:30.53 | Eulex | Yarcanox, pastebin your sources.list for us |
| 13:31.04 | abrotman | Yarcanox: show us your sources |
| 13:31.07 | simonrvn | Pete_B: dunno, tbh. i figure as long as the partitions don't change it won't affect it. but i won't suggest you change it, since i won't do that on my systems |
| 13:31.20 | Pete_B | hoxu: great, thanks (backups, of-course) |
| 13:31.26 | simonrvn | Pete_B: that's not always true |
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| 13:31.29 | Pete_B | simonrvn: thanks |
| 13:31.31 | mandygirl20 | Hab mit meiner Freundin ein Video aufgenommen wie ich nackig dusche zu Hause, wenn du dir es mal ansehen willst kuck mal auf meine Homepage: http://www.mandymaus.de |
| 13:31.44 | Yarcanox | http://pastebin.org/19835 |
| 13:31.49 | simonrvn | *SIGH* fucking spam |
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| 13:32.14 | abrotman | Yarcanox: you didn't add non-free to your actual sources |
| 13:32.23 | abrotman | Yarcanox: you want the deb lines .. not the deb-src lines |
| 13:32.39 | Eulex | Yarcanox, you have sources for _source_ packages from non-free, but not _binary_ packages |
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| 13:32.47 | Yarcanox | do I need it to add it to both deb lines? |
| 13:32.49 | Yarcanox | or just the first one? |
| 13:33.00 | abrotman | both would be a good idea |
| 13:33.05 | simonrvn | all of them relevant ones |
| 13:33.08 | simonrvn | the* |
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| 13:33.16 | abrotman | and if you don't play to use the CD at all .. comment that out |
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| 13:37.12 | abrotman | Yarcanox: any better? |
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| 13:37.19 | Yarcanox | abrotman still downloading :) |
| 13:37.28 | kqrdeb | when i try to apt-get install something i get this error: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 13:37.43 | abrotman | kqrdeb: so try it |
| 13:37.55 | wols_ | !tell kqrdeb about bat |
| 13:37.55 | kqrdeb | abrotman: and then the next problem kicks in ;P |
| 13:38.12 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:38.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 13:38.24 | kqrdeb | abrotman: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 13:38.59 | abrotman | kqrdeb: okay .. so apt-get update |
| 13:39.15 | kqrdeb | abrotman: that one goes through without errors |
| 13:39.17 | wols_ | kqrdeb: can't you follow simply streps like outlined in what dpkg told you? |
| 13:39.25 | wols_ | *simple steps |
| 13:39.42 | kqrdeb | wols_: they didn't look simple to me ^^ |
| 13:39.52 | kqrdeb | !tell kqrdeb about bat |
| 13:40.10 | simonrvn | /msg the bot next time |
| 13:40.25 | kqrdeb | simonrvn: ok... |
| 13:40.42 | Yarcanox | abrotman works fine with packages :) |
| 13:40.47 | wols_ | kqrdeb: then you solve you problem on your own. have a nice day and good luck |
| 13:40.48 | abrotman | Yarcanox: enjoy! |
| 13:40.49 | Yarcanox | yehaaa! :) |
| 13:40.52 | Yarcanox | yes, thanks very much |
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| 13:41.06 | kqrdeb | wols_: thank you, i'm really getting forward with this linux thing :) |
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| 13:46.59 | kqrdeb | wols_: ok, i'm not sure if this is what was wanted, but... http://pastebin.com/m30403e65 ; http://pastebin.com/m227098a0 ; http://pastebin.com/m74507316 |
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| 13:48.22 | wols_ | you have lenny sources only but you run etch |
| 13:48.54 | wols_ | kqrdeb: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 13:49.14 | wols_ | also show us your sources.list |
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| 13:49.47 | kqrdeb | wols_: hmm i see, i think i changed the sources.list to lenny when i wanted to upgrade... |
| 13:50.31 | kqrdeb | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m3dd3f499 <- my sources.list |
| 13:50.37 | pumpkin0 | How do i check the charset my console is using ? |
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| 13:51.00 | kqrdeb | wols_: may it be something like i've booted into etch when i wanted to boot into lenny? |
| 13:51.05 | chandor | pumpkin0: locale |
| 13:51.07 | wols_ | kqrdeb: also what libc6 version do you run? |
| 13:51.19 | wols_ | kqrdeb: you didn't proplrey upgrade to lenny |
| 13:51.42 | kqrdeb | wols_: ok... i'll blame that on the friend guiding me :P |
| 13:51.59 | pumpkin0 | chandor: thanks. |
| 13:52.16 | wols_ | kqrdeb: I blame it on YOU |
| 13:52.37 | kqrdeb | wols_: ok ^^ (about libc6, is this what you wanted? ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ) |
| 13:53.06 | wols_ | yes it is. this mean etch libc6 |
| 13:54.15 | kqrdeb | wols_: ok, so what is the next step? |
| 13:55.05 | wols_ | you remove the packages that cause problems like deluge, so apt is happy again, then you decide what debian branch you wanna run and act accordingly |
| 13:55.26 | kqrdeb | wols_: you got the command to remove deluge? |
| 13:55.45 | wols_ | dpkg -r deluge |
| 13:55.48 | wols_ | try that |
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| 13:55.57 | kqrdeb | ok :) |
| 13:56.01 | wols_ | deluge-torrent that is |
| 13:56.14 | wols_ | irssi mayve too |
| 13:56.21 | kqrdeb | i'll see to it |
| 13:56.58 | kqrdeb | now... hmm i don't even remember why i tried to upgrade to lenny |
| 13:57.05 | kqrdeb | i guess i'll stick to etch |
| 13:57.08 | kqrdeb | until i find that out |
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| 13:57.19 | RaymondX | and stick to qtorrent...lolz |
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| 13:57.25 | kqrdeb | hahahahahahahaha |
| 13:58.50 | kqrdeb | wols_: should everything be fine if i just change the lenny entries in sources.list to etch ones? |
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| 14:00.03 | tralala | kqrdeb, assuming you haven't upgraded lots of stuff |
| 14:00.17 | kqrdeb | tralala: ok, i probably haven't |
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| 14:05.03 | abrotman | oh jeez |
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| 14:08.13 | peleg | Hey: anyone is familiar with XKB ? |
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| 14:08.48 | peleg | Keyboard layouts in general? |
| 14:09.15 | Orion_X11 | !ask peleg |
| 14:09.28 | abrotman | peleg: just ask your real question |
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| 14:09.58 | peleg | Orion_X11: I have a problem with Hebrew using LyX; a few characters pointing different characters than needed. |
| 14:10.26 | peleg | I mean: instead of , I get ף and stuff like that. |
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| 14:11.07 | peleg | It's happening ONLY in LyX, but I heard that it's connected to keyboard layouts that come in XKB layouts (maybe) |
| 14:11.07 | tralala | peleg, maybe there's another hebrew layout that you can use. Do you run kde, gnome or something else? |
| 14:11.14 | abrotman | instead of a comma .. you get a hebrew character ? |
| 14:11.20 | peleg | tralala: gnome |
| 14:11.35 | peleg | tralala: it still happens ONLY in LyX, though. |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | !hebrew |
| 14:11.35 | dpkg | hebrew is probably to install hebrew fonts in debian: apt-get install culmus, or check out http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/8.html or http://debian-hebrew.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:11.36 | tralala | peleg, it happens only in lyx? |
| 14:11.46 | peleg | tralala: yes. |
| 14:11.55 | tralala | hmm, I think lyx has some key mappings |
| 14:12.05 | peleg | also: instead of "." I get ץ... |
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| 14:12.29 | peleg | tralala: that's exactly what I'm looking for... I'm searching the web for 3 hours already... |
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| 14:12.42 | octo_ | what is the compiler called in debian gcc-c++ ? |
| 14:12.45 | peleg | thought it might be something with Ivrix files, but couldn't find these as well |
| 14:13.01 | abrotman | !b-e octo_ |
| 14:13.01 | dpkg | octo_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:13.12 | peleg | abrotman: I have culmus installed, thanks.. |
| 14:13.47 | peleg | #lyx channel is totally dead. |
| 14:14.23 | tralala | peleg, paste the output of "dpkg -L lyx" to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 14:14.43 | peleg | tralala: a minute, thanks |
| 14:15.10 | octo_ | abrotman, thank you :) |
| 14:15.47 | peleg | tralala: this is not the name of the package - I have LyX 1.5.1, so it has a different name. Give me a minute and I'll find it. |
| 14:15.57 | Arelis | Does anybody know how i can get AIGLX/Compiz working with an ATI Radeon 9600 and the propietary ATI (fglrx) drivers? |
| 14:16.13 | timonator | how can i make qt apps look not-ugly in my gnome-ish debian environment? |
| 14:16.20 | peleg | (though the problem occurred also in the older version) |
| 14:16.27 | timonator | i only know how to make gtk apps look not-ugly in a kde environment :/ |
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| 14:16.45 | phil | hi |
| 14:16.54 | phil | is there a way to find out which debian version a system is running? |
| 14:17.05 | timonator | why is dpkg down? :( |
| 14:17.07 | abrotman | !version |
| 14:17.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 14:17.08 | tralala | phil, /msg dpkg version |
| 14:17.16 | phil | ah, thanks |
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| 14:18.36 | peleg | tralala: have any idea how can I find the name of the package, if I haven't installed it through aptitude ? |
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| 14:20.25 | tralala | peleg, how did you install it if not with apt? |
| 14:20.41 | peleg | tralala: downloaded .deb file |
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| 14:20.53 | tralala | peleg, dpkg -l 'lyx*' |
| 14:20.59 | peleg | ok |
| 14:21.18 | peleg | cool... |
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| 14:22.35 | peleg | tralala: another technical problem... the output is too long - I can't see all of it in the terminal window, in order to paste it... |
| 14:22.52 | pumpkin0 | peleg: shift-pageup. |
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| 14:23.01 | peleg | pumpkin0: thanks. |
| 14:23.50 | peleg | pumpkin0: still not working. the list is too long, and the terminal won't go up so much... |
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| 14:24.08 | peleg | maybe there is a pause option for dpkg? |
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| 14:24.21 | pumpkin0 | peleg: try command > log |
| 14:24.35 | zophy | pipe it to less |
| 14:24.56 | peleg | pumpkin0: what do you mean? |
| 14:25.41 | tralala | peleg, command > file saves the output of "command" to "file" |
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| 14:26.17 | peleg | tralala: ok, thanks |
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| 14:26.48 | peleg | cool, worked. |
| 14:27.07 | timonator | i'm trying to install a qt theme, but cmake complains i aint got no kconfig_compiler, where can i get it? |
| 14:27.38 | tralala | !find kconfig_compiler |
| 14:27.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kconfig_compiler' (4): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/kconfig_compiler) in libdevel/kdelibs-dbg ;; (/usr/bin/rbkconfig_compiler) in interpreters/libkorundum0-ruby1.8 ;; (/usr/bin/kconfig_compiler) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev,libdevel/kdelibs5-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/kconfig_compiler.html) in doc/kdelibs4-doc. |
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| 14:27.58 | timonator | ah, kdelibs, thanks! |
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| 14:28.36 | peleg | tralala: here -> http://pastebin.ca/906228 (thanks) |
| 14:29.00 | octo_ | is there a faster way to find what you are missing for an install other than running ./configure about 10 times and going to get what you need? lol |
| 14:29.18 | peleg | hmmm.... maybe "/usr/share/lyx1.5.1/kbd/hebrew.kmap" ... |
| 14:29.27 | tralala | that's right |
| 14:29.34 | tralala | you want to review and edit this file |
| 14:29.48 | peleg | tralala: indeed... in a minute. |
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| 14:30.02 | tralala | apparently it is a different hebrew layout than the one you use |
| 14:30.24 | pumpkin0 | octo_: installing the deb-file that is probably lying around on backports.org ... |
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| 14:30.47 | octo_ | i was looking to install pidgin but didnt see it anywhere |
| 14:31.15 | octo_ | yeaaaaaa i made it through ./config |
| 14:31.41 | pumpkin0 | octo_: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/pidgin |
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| 14:31.58 | abrotman | octo_: it's called gaim |
| 14:31.59 | Bushmills | octo_: apt-cache search pidgin ... lot's of pidginese there |
| 14:32.05 | abrotman | Bushmills: not in etch |
| 14:32.10 | Bushmills | ah |
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| 14:32.14 | octo_ | lol |
| 14:32.30 | octo_ | well, im compiling it right as we speak lol |
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| 14:32.37 | abrotman | octo_: don't bother .. just use gaim |
| 14:32.41 | _ergo_ | hello |
| 14:32.49 | octo_ | i do actually need to put the backports in my source list too though |
| 14:32.52 | pumpkin0 | octo_: always remember: you just spend 10min debugging something other people already prepared for you. Next time ask.... |
| 14:33.09 | _ergo_ | i have a problem im not sure how to approach correctly ( plese dont point to other channels untill i finish ;-) ) |
| 14:33.21 | _ergo_ | i want to learn python web app developement |
| 14:33.42 | octo_ | pumpkin0, yea, i dont like compiling if i dont have to, unless its my kernel or something |
| 14:33.44 | tralala | octo_, there's pidgin in there, btw |
| 14:33.49 | _ergo_ | and they advise to use easy_install tool that will conflict with apt |
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| 14:33.52 | segfault- | hello |
| 14:33.54 | octo_ | tralala, yea, i see that lol |
| 14:34.11 | _ergo_ | and i read some documents that advised to use testing release |
| 14:34.26 | _ergo_ | now if i would go the testing release way |
| 14:34.29 | peleg | OK: problem solved! Just for people that want to know; I haven't changed anything in that file, but something in it made me think that there might be a collision between GNOME's keyboard layout and LyX's; so I have moved GNOME's keyboard to English, and then the Hebrew layout of LyX started to work well! tralala and the rest: thank you very much! |
| 14:34.48 | pumpkin0 | pctand installing a self-compiled version usually f**ks up aptitude cause the DB will not know about that install... |
| 14:34.50 | peleg | it was also cool to learn about dpkg and >file |
| 14:34.51 | octo_ | i havent been in a Deb based dist for a while so lost my list of backport repos, anyone know where there is a list i can go off of? |
| 14:35.12 | _ergo_ | is thhat 'stable enough' to be used as a testing platform , ie. wont break by itself, and could be used as a server machine without anu serious issues ? |
| 14:35.13 | tralala | peleg, you're welcome |
| 14:35.16 | abrotman | _ergo_: is that your question ? |
| 14:35.18 | abrotman | ah |
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| 14:35.32 | abrotman | _ergo_: some things break .. usually not as bad .. but for longer |
| 14:35.44 | pumpkin0 | octo_: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | _ergo_: however i would NOT use it as an external server |
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| 14:35.55 | segfault- | _ergo_, testing is testing, it can broke or not, anytime as a matter of facts. |
| 14:36.13 | tralala | _ergo_, testing for a server is adventurous at best |
| 14:36.29 | pumpkin0 | _ergo_: it should not break (as often as sid) but it does have hiccups from time to time. |
| 14:36.33 | _ergo_ | since i dont want to use ubuntu or fedora, and learn to use debian based system in not sure what should i do now... |
| 14:36.49 | _ergo_ | any advice how should i solve my pythonic apps problem ? |
| 14:36.50 | segfault- | _ergo_, to have a "stable" testing server, you shall wait for the freezing process to start, even then you will not be sure that the server will be stable. |
| 14:36.54 | octo_ | pumpkin0, thanks |
| 14:37.11 | abrotman | _ergo_: is the server external ? |
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| 14:37.22 | _ergo_ | well no. i have it in a vmware |
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| 14:37.29 | _ergo_ | i can reinstall everyday if needed ;-) |
| 14:37.41 | abrotman | _ergo_: sure .. go ahead .. just bve aware that things may break |
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| 14:37.52 | segfault- | NEVER reinstall debian |
| 14:37.59 | segfault- | it can be fixed anytime |
| 14:38.02 | segfault- | :P |
| 14:38.03 | tralala | _ergo_, so the modules you need are not in debian? |
| 14:38.16 | pumpkin0 | _ergo_: install a prebuild vmware. That is better then adjusting a normal install to the virtual system. |
| 14:38.22 | _ergo_ | tralala : yes, i checked and they are only in testing and sid |
| 14:38.25 | _ergo_ | no backports |
| 14:38.27 | segfault- | _ergo_, just to mention something you are maybe not getting straight |
| 14:38.37 | segfault- | /usr/local exist for a reason |
| 14:38.42 | tralala | _ergo_, well, you could backport them yourself. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:38.55 | segfault- | to build and use packages that aren't in your distribution |
| 14:39.06 | tralala | far better than easy_install in terms of package management |
| 14:39.16 | _ergo_ | pumpkin0 : , actually installin in vmware works flawlessly ( at least i think so , im very noobish ) |
| 14:39.19 | abrotman | there's no dh_make type crap for python ? |
| 14:40.10 | octo_ | you guys ever try virtual box? |
| 14:40.35 | segfault- | octo_, not yet, don't have the hardware for it :( |
| 14:40.54 | _ergo_ | so, a better way would be to use stable and then just backport what i need ? |
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| 14:41.04 | segfault- | (but i'm prolly going to, i'm going to host virtual servers) |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | _ergo_: either method shold work fine |
| 14:41.16 | tralala | abrotman, there's no crap in python. Crap bounces off python ;) |
| 14:41.34 | segfault- | abrotman, debian policy is not to promote backports iirc. |
| 14:41.34 | octo_ | segfault-, I think it works smoother than vmware |
| 14:41.45 | segfault- | octo_, totally don't know |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | tralala: zope? |
| 14:42.09 | abrotman | segfault-: why are you telling me? and how is that related? |
| 14:42.22 | segfault- | i'm trying to get a client to use Debian/xen on his datacenter instead of win2k3, already hard |
| 14:42.40 | segfault- | abrotman, most of the solutions proposed to ero were to get a backport |
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| 14:42.57 | abrotman | segfault-: i didn't say that |
| 14:43.03 | segfault- | abrotman, and backports are only a way to break your system in pieces |
| 14:43.16 | abrotman | segfault-: you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 14:43.17 | jelly-ho | segfault-: not really. |
| 14:43.18 | segfault- | abrotman, nah you didn't, you just said that either way it will be fine :D |
| 14:43.21 | _ergo_ | errr ... so im completly puzzled now , to what should i do :/ |
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| 14:43.37 | segfault- | _ergo_, use /usr/local & make your own package ? :) |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | _ergo_: you can easily make backports yourself .. or just use lenny |
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| 14:43.51 | abrotman | _ergo_: and you'd probably be better off ignoring segfault- |
| 14:44.11 | segfault- | abrotman, who are you ? |
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| 14:44.21 | jelly-ho | segfault-: what are you? |
| 14:44.37 | segfault- | jelly, someone who use debian daily for the last 10 years |
| 14:44.40 | tralala | abrotman, zope rulez |
| 14:44.50 | abrotman | segfault-: and you still don't know? |
| 14:44.55 | segfault- | for many kind of purposes |
| 14:45.03 | octo_ | I didnt put my user in the sudoer group, will that mess up installs and permissions for installs somehow if i have to su to do stuff in apt, or compiling things? |
| 14:45.22 | segfault- | abrotman, i mean who in the hell are you to tell someone to ignore my advices ? |
| 14:45.27 | pumpkin0 | octo_: no, that is fine. |
| 14:45.33 | jelly-ho | segfault-: I'd been involved in a backport effort that is deployed to some 200 machines. Backports work really well if you know your shit. |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | segfault-: well .. when you seemingly don't know what your'e talking about .. i'll do that all day long |
| 14:45.38 | tralala | segfault-, /usr/local is a way to take away all the advantages of the best package management system. Don't recommend it, please. |
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| 14:45.53 | abrotman | yay asg! |
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| 14:46.07 | segfault- | jelly-ho, they sometimes as in your example do they don't usually and hence are not recommanded. |
| 14:46.12 | asg | abrotman: takes a little bit to reboot the slug |
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| 14:46.31 | jelly-ho | segfault-: I'd recommend backports over unmanaged /usr/local any day. YMMV. |
| 14:46.31 | abrotman | segfault-: did you know there's an entire repository created by DDs full of backports? |
| 14:46.33 | segfault- | tralala, it's better than use a backport, he could switch to testing at his own risk |
| 14:46.53 | abrotman | asg: hehe .. needs more RAM! |
| 14:47.04 | octo_ | why do we need to install server keys? |
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| 14:47.07 | tralala | segfault-, it's worse. Far worse. In #debian we recommend backports as opposed to upstream compiling |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | octo_: you mean the apt keys ? |
| 14:47.24 | asg | abrotman: 32M is more than anyone would ever need |
| 14:47.29 | segfault- | jelly-ho, he could, but he could also set his apt preferences to get a particular series of packages from testing too. |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | asg: with kernel 2.2 :) |
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| 14:47.41 | octo_ | yea, like gpg-- |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | segfault-: mixing is a surefire way to fuck your system |
| 14:47.46 | pumpkin0 | octo_: so verify nobody changed the packages on that server. |
| 14:47.51 | _ergo_ | btw. is there a good introduction to linux system in general ? which would describe what should go to /usr/local etc ? |
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| 14:48.05 | Anonissimus | why do I have no acces to : /proc/1/fd as root? |
| 14:48.05 | asg | abrotman: bah, 2.0 |
| 14:48.06 | Galaxor | What is the difference between etch and etch-backports? |
| 14:48.09 | abrotman | octo_: the GPG keys for apt are to "verify" the repository is what it is supposed to be |
| 14:48.17 | jelly-ho | segfault-: more pain in the long run than a selected painful of backports, IME. testing packages bring in dependencies. |
| 14:48.18 | segfault- | abrotman, as well as using a backport that could be broke or not compatible on the next upgrade |
| 14:48.22 | abrotman | _ergo_: do NOT use /usr/local/ |
| 14:48.39 | _ergo_ | i wont, i wouldnt even know how to do so |
| 14:48.41 | pumpkin0 | Galaxor: etch => software that is suposed to be in etch, etch-backports: newer software that fits into etch. |
| 14:48.47 | jelly-ho | segfault-: have you _ever_ tried backports.org packages or volatile? They're well maintained. |
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| 14:49.01 | abrotman | _ergo_: if you're not planning on deployment any time soon .. set the VMware for lenny .. do yur stuff |
| 14:49.02 | tralala | segfault-, let it go. Don't argue with the channel, and don't give bad recommendations |
| 14:49.07 | Galaxor | pumpkin0: Why is the stuff in backports not accepted into etch? |
| 14:49.11 | segfault- | jelly-ho, i did on ONE occasion |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | repeatedly! |
| 14:49.19 | octo_ | abrotman, to even verify the contents of it, or just that if i get redirected without my knowledge, my key wont match the fake server and I will be alerted or something? |
| 14:49.28 | segfault- | 3 months later i had 150 servers down because of the particular package |
| 14:49.32 | abrotman | octo_: both i suppose |
| 14:49.43 | pumpkin0 | Galaxor: etch is stable. It only changes if there is a very good reason, like a security problem. |
| 14:49.57 | jelly-ho | segfault-: which package, version, if you remember? |
| 14:50.03 | octo_ | abrotman, that is cool, I never know what it was for till now lol |
| 14:50.03 | segfault- | (and travelling trough 5 datacenters to fix the mess was not funny) |
| 14:50.10 | segfault- | jelly-ho, grsec |
| 14:50.13 | Galaxor | pumpkin: Okay. |
| 14:50.17 | Galaxor | pumpkin0: Thanks. |
| 14:50.19 | tralala | Galaxor, this is why backports don't enter stable ^^ |
| 14:50.34 | segfault- | don't remember the version altough, it was before the patch |
| 14:51.05 | timonator | dante_2core: hey, you still there? did you find a way to make the gnome panel and gnome pager behave correctly while spinning the cube or doing things like that? it currently shows the stuff from the current workspace on all workspaces/cube sides |
| 14:51.05 | dante_2core | be back in a sec |
| 14:51.07 | octo_ | abrotman, so, when i do apt-get debian-backports-keyring, where does it download the kes from, a known main deb server ? |
| 14:51.20 | abrotman | octo_: the keyserver |
| 14:51.27 | tralala | segfault-, this could have happend just as well if you used /usr/local. Backporting carries the same risk as installing insufficiently tested software. |
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| 14:51.50 | segfault- | tralala, it's not a bad recommandation to tell someone to use /usr/local, as a matter of facts it's one efficient way to test a binary or suite of tools locally before deciding to either remove it or act on installing it |
| 14:52.03 | octo_ | abrotman, i see subkeys.pgp.net ? |
| 14:52.04 | jelly-ho | segfault-: gradm, paxctl, or the kernel? In any case, Debian doesn't really support grsec. |
| 14:52.26 | abrotman | and there is no grsec packages at backports.org .. for sarge or etch |
| 14:52.26 | segfault- | jelly-ho, they still have a grsecurity2 patch that anyone can use |
| 14:52.29 | pumpkin0 | octo_: the keyserver is the only server you have to trust. If somebody swaps that one and your apt-repo at the same time => bye-bye signed packages. |
| 14:52.39 | tralala | segfault-, it is a bad recommendation, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. And there's no benefit in using /usr/local over a backport |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | octo_: i think so |
| 14:52.55 | _ergo_ | abrotman: , so i guess i should ho with testing ? |
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| 14:53.14 | abrotman | _ergo_: it seems reasonable .. you're the only one using it .. |
| 14:53.17 | octo_ | pumpkin0, the address for the keyserver isnt stored in the source list right? |
| 14:53.21 | jelly-ho | segfault-: yes, but grsecurity comes with a zillion compile time options and you need to have intimate knowledge to make use of it anyway |
| 14:53.29 | segfault- | tralala, then the whole lsm has no reason to exist ? zomg, engineers had it wrong (sic) |
| 14:53.38 | abrotman | _ergo_: you might see some breakage .. but now you can file bugs to help make debian better! |
| 14:53.43 | pumpkin0 | octo_: no idea. |
| 14:53.52 | _ergo_ | i think there is a way i can make a deb package and deploy to production machine |
| 14:54.03 | abrotman | !nm |
| 14:54.03 | dpkg | i heard nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>. |
| 14:54.04 | segfault- | abrotman, googled ... oh what did i found ? deb http://debian.cr0.org/repo/ kernel-security/ |
| 14:54.04 | segfault- | . |
| 14:54.13 | abrotman | segfault-: that is NOT backports.org .. tard |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | you got what you deserved |
| 14:54.31 | segfault- | abrotman, because backports have an official source ? :) |
| 14:54.37 | segfault- | what's about apt-get.org |
| 14:54.38 | abrotman | moron |
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| 14:54.54 | octo_ | abrotman, where is the keyserver address stored, somewhere in the apt directory? |
| 14:55.04 | segfault- | _ergo_, yes, to tweak the testing package to get it to sarge or use a backport whatever way you want |
| 14:55.16 | pumpkin0 | segfault-: there is a offcial backports server and a official backport repo with official keys.... |
| 14:55.17 | tralala | segfault-, let it go. Don't you see that you're the only one who thinks that avoiding the package management system is a good thing? |
| 14:55.17 | segfault- | s/sarge/etch |
| 14:55.18 | jelly-ho | segfault-: backports.org packages are done by DDs afaik, and usually take at least cursory care about the upgrade path |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | octo_: i'd guess in the apt-key code .. never thought about it |
| 14:56.15 | donald_ | hi all. i wrote some bash scripts in /etc/acpi/ and cannot run them when i reboot the computer. they will only run if i do "sudo /etc/init.d/acpi restart" |
| 14:56.23 | segfault- | tralala, look earlier, i said that using testing was risky and to not use a fsckin' backport, the only not stupid alternative was to use a local package |
| 14:56.44 | octo_ | abrotman, i guess you can always retrieve the keys manually by typing it in too right |
| 14:56.48 | segfault- | hi donald |
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| 14:56.52 | abrotman | backports are awesome! |
| 14:57.04 | donald_ | segfault-: hi |
| 14:57.04 | abrotman | !apt-key foo |
| 14:57.04 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys foo ; gpg --export foo | sudo apt-key add - |
| 14:57.17 | jelly-ho | abrotman: ew, sudo |
| 14:57.24 | abrotman | jelly-ho: i didn't write it |
| 14:57.28 | tralala | segfault-, look earliear - everybody told you that a backport is better then a local package any day. |
| 14:57.38 | _ergo_ | k, so i will install testing , and maybe i will be able to move the packages to stable after i learn why ( with your help ofcourse ) |
| 14:57.43 | segfault- | pumpkin0, by definition a backport is not official.. :) |
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| 14:57.48 | abrotman | tralala: you're stupid ..he's been using debian forever .. what do you know .. butthead! |
| 14:58.08 | donald_ | can anyone explain my situation? |
| 14:58.18 | segfault- | tralala, ohh god damn, the python programmers and users are not able to know when to use a stable package.. |
| 14:58.26 | Trollinator | _ergo_: please don't put spaces before your puctuation |
| 14:58.28 | tralala | abrotman, what do you mean? I've been running unstable for years and I've never had a problem!!11 |
| 14:58.29 | abrotman | _ergo_: the current estimate is that "lenny" will be released by the end of the year .. cross your fingers .. pray .. if we're lucky :) |
| 14:58.30 | segfault- | it's fscking /usr/local, not /usr ! |
| 14:58.31 | Trollinator | it's _wrong- |
| 14:58.38 | Trollinator | s/-/_ |
| 14:58.50 | abrotman | Trollinator: why ? |
| 14:58.56 | segfault- | bleh, i give up on this you got your own opinion, i got mine. |
| 14:58.57 | Trollinator | abrotman: basi typography |
| 14:59.09 | Trollinator | fsck, i can't type |
| 14:59.19 | Trollinator | basic typography, i mean |
| 14:59.22 | pumpkin0 | segfault-: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/pidgin . Which server do you think backports uses ? |
| 14:59.29 | Trollinator | you just don't do it, it kills kittens |
| 14:59.34 | segfault- | donald_, you need to update the rc.d |
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| 15:00.06 | octo_ | i read that backports are disabled by default, and i have to type apt-get -t etch-backports install "package" every time i want to install from the backports? |
| 15:00.07 | donald_ | segfault-: what has acpi scripts got to do with rc.d? |
| 15:00.10 | tralala | timonator, no ,it doesn 't |
| 15:00.13 | jarule2 | I do I do exact same thing or identical over and over and over again? does people get annoyed if I do as I am not serious and can people call police on me or want me to stop? :D thank you |
| 15:00.15 | tralala | bleh |
| 15:00.20 | abrotman | octo_: if you do pinning (whihc is wise) |
| 15:00.33 | octo_ | abrotman, pinning ? |
| 15:00.39 | segfault- | donald_, the rc.d links told the system what to start at what init level |
| 15:00.47 | pumpkin0 | octo_: yes. it is foolgard so people don't replace the whole packages in one go by running apt-get upgrade... |
| 15:00.48 | abrotman | donald_: ls /etc/rc2.d/ | grep acpi .. does it get started ? |
| 15:00.50 | tralala | octo_, they are not disabled by default. You have to disabled them by pinning. |
| 15:01.08 | tralala | octo_, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 15:01.12 | donald_ | what i did is that i tried to map the IBM Fn+F keys to do some xrandr stuff. obviously, acpid starts as root and wont let me use xrandr |
| 15:01.34 | segfault- | pumpkin0, /lastlog 'give up' |
| 15:02.22 | _ergo_ | is there a mini image for debian testing ? |
| 15:02.26 | donald_ | segfault-: S10acpid |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 15:02.37 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 15:02.47 | abrotman | _ergo_: the devel link .. but it may or may not be currently btroken |
| 15:02.52 | donald_ | i have to admit this is on ubuntu and not debian tho.. :( |
| 15:03.00 | jelly-home | segfault-: note that "backports" here is used in multiple ways, and often for packages that come from backports.org. Those are relatively safe. If you got burnt by a 3rd party provided kernel, well, life sucks, test first, deploy later, etc. |
| 15:03.15 | octo_ | tralala, im still not sure what pinning stands for? I typed what youhad though and i dont have a /msg dir lol |
| 15:03.17 | pumpkin0 | donald_: before we break that little install to pieces: go to the right channel. |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | donald_: please go to #ubuntu |
| 15:03.50 | _ergo_ | thanks, mates |
| 15:03.55 | segfault- | donald_, check dmesg |
| 15:04.00 | Trollinator | Is there a way to empty all disk caches? |
| 15:04.01 | tralala | octo_, this is an irc command, dpkg is the bot that will let you know about pinning when you msg her |
| 15:04.06 | segfault- | run : dmesg |grep acpi |
| 15:04.06 | donald_ | haha.. sad to say, no one in that channel knows what i'm talking abt |
| 15:04.11 | _ergo_ | downloading the iso now, you all have been a great helo |
| 15:04.11 | octo_ | lol |
| 15:04.17 | pumpkin0 | Trollinator: sync will at least empty the write cache. |
| 15:04.22 | _ergo_ | just be s/helo/help |
| 15:04.34 | tralala | donald_, do you think that's the channels fault? |
| 15:04.36 | Trollinator | pumpkin0: i need the read cache to be empty |
| 15:04.37 | _ergo_ | just be friendlier to ppl from tome to time :D |
| 15:04.44 | segfault- | donald_, if the acpi script has run, you'll see some string like this one : [ 3.976000] Time: acpi_pm clocksource has been installed. |
| 15:04.52 | pumpkin0 | donald_: asking here for ubuntu is like asking a VW-dealer to fix a opel car. |
| 15:05.19 | Trollinator | perhaps allocating 2 GB of RAM and memsetting it a few times would do the job? |
| 15:05.19 | _ergo_ | is there some channel on virtualisation ? |
| 15:05.23 | cahoot | analogies do suck |
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| 15:05.28 | abrotman | _ergo_: depends which app you use |
| 15:05.29 | pumpkin0 | Trollinator: read something very unimportant and big. |
| 15:05.34 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
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| 15:05.46 | pumpkin0 | Trollinator: like a DVD. clean 9 GB in one go. |
| 15:05.49 | _ergo_ | abrotman: what would be the best way to use debian on windows box ? so far im using vmware |
| 15:06.01 | segfault- | jelly-home, just the sameas i said before, seek inside your irc buffer for 'give up' |
| 15:06.06 | solemnwarning | What creates the /vmlinuz and /initrd.img symlinks? |
| 15:06.14 | abrotman | _ergo_: there is vmware .. and also colinux |
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| 15:06.27 | _ergo_ | so i guess ill stay with vmware |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | solemnwarning: the kernel packages |
| 15:06.36 | octo_ | tralala, i see, it is to mix sources so you can get new stuff too right |
| 15:06.44 | donald_ | segfault-: acpid started. i get different messages from /var/log/acpid. on a fresh boot, it says [Sat Feb 16 22:29:06 2008] executing action "/etc/acpi/lenovo-x61-fnf6.sh" |
| 15:06.44 | donald_ | [Sat Feb 16 22:29:06 2008] BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES |
| 15:06.44 | donald_ | (zenity:6742): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 15:06.44 | donald_ | [Sat Feb 16 22:29:06 2008] END HANDLER MESSAGES |
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| 15:06.45 | abrotman | solemnwarning: or one of the scripts postinst etc |
| 15:07.00 | abrotman | segfault-: if you want to continue with donald_ .. go to #ubuntu with him |
| 15:07.01 | solemnwarning | abrotman: So why do those links on my server point to the old kernel? |
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| 15:07.06 | solemnwarning | Do I need to reboot or somthing? |
| 15:07.10 | wols_ | emil|k: there also is virtualbox |
| 15:07.10 | timonator | will gnome-screensaver use the screensavers that get installed when i install "xscreensaver" and "xscreensaver-gl"? |
| 15:07.11 | abrotman | solemnwarning: they're not used anymore |
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| 15:07.18 | donald_ | sorry for the flood |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | donald_: please go to #ubuntu |
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| 15:07.41 | donald_ | abrotman: no help there |
| 15:07.53 | abrotman | donald_: ask segfault- to go with you .. ubuntu is offtopic here |
| 15:07.53 | pumpkin0 | donald_: switch to ubuntu. using the debian-way on ubuntu is a sure way to kill ubuntu. |
| 15:07.57 | segfault- | donald_, sounds like your script get executed, there is no more info on the log ? (/var/log/acpid) |
| 15:08.07 | wols_ | donald_: you certainly doesn't get any help here about ubuntu either |
| 15:08.32 | tralala | octo_, yes, it is to mix sources and give different priorities to the different sources. |
| 15:08.38 | segfault- | donald_, abrotman when acpi did get ubuntu specific ? |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | donald_: or ask segfault if you can /msg him .. but please don't continue here |
| 15:08.40 | donald_ | segfault-: on fresh boot, it says "cannot open display" for xrandr calls |
| 15:08.49 | donald_ | ok ok |
| 15:08.52 | wols_ | !tell segfault- about ubuntu |
| 15:08.55 | abrotman | segfault-: his acpi came from ubutnu .. |
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| 15:08.59 | donald_ | segfault-: shall we? |
| 15:09.10 | mirak | hi |
| 15:09.14 | segfault- | if you are registered we can |
| 15:09.25 | segfault- | abrotman, you still doesn't answer |
| 15:09.27 | abrotman | or you can both join #helpdonald_ :) |
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| 15:09.34 | abrotman | segfault-: yes i did .. you have reading issues |
| 15:09.38 | segfault- | when acpi did fuckin' get ubuntu specific ? |
| 15:09.43 | azeem | segfault-: please respect the channel policy |
| 15:09.57 | abrotman | segfault-: his distro is ubuntu .. we do NOT support ubuntu here .. if you don't like it .. leave |
| 15:10.00 | segfault- | speaking about acpi is not speaking about ubuntu, fyi |
| 15:10.14 | segfault- | so just continue to ignore me |
| 15:10.21 | azeem | Ubuntu did heavily modify/redo ACPI-related stuff from the beginning |
| 15:10.42 | segfault- | it's just a script that doesn't seem to work properly |
| 15:10.45 | wols_ | speaking about ubuntu is ubuntu. this is a debianb ONLY channel. if you want to speak about linux in gernal (acpi or otherwise) the channel is ##linux |
| 15:10.45 | mirak | I have a seagte disk that put itself in ATA 100 mode from the bios, while itshould support ATA 100, however self disk test are passing. Is there any tool that can reveal that error ? the self disk test are passing fine, I tried with smartmontools and from seaatools |
| 15:10.55 | segfault- | you'll tell me that init has gone wild too ? |
| 15:11.02 | azeem | segfault-: yes |
| 15:11.02 | abrotman | segfault-: drop it |
| 15:11.03 | tralala | segfault-, if you continue to break the channel's ways you'll get banned at the end |
| 15:11.04 | donald_ | my my.. arent we really anti-ubuntu? |
| 15:11.12 | azeem | segfault-: by chance, ubuntu is using a different init than debian |
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| 15:11.30 | pumpkin0 | mirak: ATA 100 ... BIOS ATA 100. ... now what is the problem ? |
| 15:11.33 | segfault- | donald_, imho, you should go to a generic linux channel or #bash |
| 15:11.37 | tralala | segfault-, also feel free to provide ubuntu support in #ubuntu |
| 15:11.40 | donald_ | shall we stop the hostilities? |
| 15:11.58 | abrotman | _ergo_: whats' up ? |
| 15:11.59 | segfault- | tralala, did i mentionned ubuntu ? |
| 15:12.03 | wols_ | donald_: as soon as you stop asking about ubuntu problems here. and we aren't hostile. trust me you notice when we are |
| 15:12.04 | _ergo_ | abrotman: : would you advise to use selinux over vmware ? |
| 15:12.07 | mirak | pumpkin0: the disk is not ATA100, it's a seagate 7200.8 and supports ATA133 |
| 15:12.09 | donald_ | i've been having hell with lenny on this laptop that is why i switched to ubuntu |
| 15:12.11 | segfault- | i spoke about the rc.d init system |
| 15:12.12 | wols_ | segfault-: we know you run ubuntu that's enough |
| 15:12.19 | segfault- | yeah for sure wol |
| 15:12.22 | abrotman | _ergo_: AIUI .. not even remotely the same |
| 15:12.28 | tralala | 17:10 < segfault-> speaking about acpi is not speaking about ubuntu, fyi |
| 15:12.30 | segfault- | none of my computers run ubuntu |
| 15:12.31 | azeem | donald_: please drop the Ubuntu stuff |
| 15:12.33 | _ergo_ | AIUI ? |
| 15:12.35 | pumpkin0 | donald_: everytime somebody from debian tries to fix a ubuntu something very nasty happens and the ubuntu-people are mad at us. That's why we send them to the right place. |
| 15:12.40 | abrotman | !aiui |
| 15:12.40 | dpkg | hmm... aiui is As I Understand It |
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| 15:12.47 | mirak | pumpkin0: that's what I don't understand, smart tools doesn't say there is a problem, but there is a problem |
| 15:12.50 | octo_ | segfault-, i know how you feel, I get kicked from Suse once in a while lol |
| 15:12.54 | pumpkin0 | mirak: are you sure the controller can do ATA 133. |
| 15:13.02 | segfault- | tralala, IN the manner of mentionning a specific related ubuntu topic ! |
| 15:13.06 | wols_ | mirak: what is the problem. ata100 sounds peachy to me for seagate disks |
| 15:13.14 | abrotman | _ergo_: selinux is for security stuff .. vmware is for virtualizatoin |
| 15:13.18 | mirak | pumpkin0: yes I have a maxtor drive that is in ATA 133 mode pluggued as well |
| 15:13.32 | _ergo_ | sht.. i was thinking about colinux :D |
| 15:13.37 | tralala | segfault-, support ubuntu users in #ubuntu, that's not difficult to understand, right? |
| 15:13.39 | segfault- | octo_, if you can identify the os, i'll let you nmap my servers, and you'll see that none of them use ubuntu |
| 15:13.41 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 15:13.41 | dpkg | colinux is, like, http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC virtualization ... |
| 15:13.45 | segfault- | getting back tothe subject |
| 15:13.45 | wols_ | mirak: seagate pata doesn't support anything faster thant pata 100 |
| 15:13.47 | mirak | pumpkin0: I have read on the net that this series have problems |
| 15:13.48 | abrotman | _ergo_: i've never used it .. i just know it exists |
| 15:13.50 | donald_ | what i'm curious to know is this. ubuntu ships with sudo by default as a means to get root privileges. debian doesn't. |
| 15:13.50 | pumpkin0 | mirak: does the system see the whole disc or just the first 128GB ? |
| 15:13.58 | abrotman | donald_: please ask #ubuntu |
| 15:14.01 | segfault- | speaking about resolving a script issue is not speaking about your personnal nighmares |
| 15:14.06 | mirak | pumpkin0: whole disk. what is pata ? |
| 15:14.22 | pumpkin0 | mirak: PATA = ATA = IDE. |
| 15:14.27 | wols_ | azeem: can you please stop this ubuntu talk once and for all? it gets too much |
| 15:14.48 | pumpkin0 | mirak: ATA 100 caps the size to 128GB. So if you have ATA 100 and a disc bigger then 128GB ... strange things happen. |
| 15:14.54 | donald_ | so if i were in debian, and i have sudo access. what is the difference between restarting a service using su to root and sudo <command> ? |
| 15:14.56 | wols_ | pumpkin0: no it does not |
| 15:14.58 | mirak | pumpkin0: I think it does, the maxtor is in ata 133 according to the bios |
| 15:15.17 | segfault- | donald_, sudo can have a range of specified commands |
| 15:15.21 | wols_ | mirak: can you please state your problem clearly once and concisely? |
| 15:15.29 | octo_ | segfault-, Im just saying, Ive been in your shoes before when people get all mad when they "think" im not fllowing rules lol |
| 15:15.31 | segfault- | su will just run it without checking anything |
| 15:15.40 | azeem | plus sudo never presents you with a root prompt inviting you to run more commands |
| 15:15.51 | octo_ | segfault-, i try to walk on egg shells now lol |
| 15:15.52 | segfault- | octo_, oh that, i just don't dare, egotic persons aren't my interest |
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| 15:17.21 | mirak | wols_: the problem is that my disk won't go in ata 133 mode, while it should and other disk I have can on ide as well. However smarttools test doesn't say there is a problem. smart seems to just test sectors, the problem seems deeper, but not test tools says this disk have a problem. The bios put this drive in ATA100 directly, it's not normal. |
| 15:17.27 | segfault- | donald_, i'd say i will install sudo if my system must have different administrators with different tasks |
| 15:17.42 | segfault- | donald_, but i will also install it for myself, to just never log as root |
| 15:17.46 | mirak | wols_: I should return it, but I am asking if it's not another issue |
| 15:17.49 | donald_ | AFAIK, sudo /etc/init.d/acpid is no different from if i had done it after i su |
| 15:18.04 | azeem | donald_: 16:15 < azeem> plus sudo never presents you with a root prompt inviting you to run more commands |
| 15:18.08 | wols_ | mirak: no seagate disk can go in ata133 mode since seagate never ever built a ata133 disk. ata133 is no standa either. it never was standardized. maxtor build ata133 disks, seagate never did |
| 15:18.28 | segfault- | donald_, speaking purely and clearly (i'm avoiding the trolls there) of scripting changes, what did you do your script ? |
| 15:18.39 | jelly-home | donald_: it's just that sudo isn't available by default. It als handles environment vars differently |
| 15:18.45 | segfault- | *what did youi do to |
| 15:18.47 | mirak | wols_: so seagate disk cannot use above UDMA4 ??? |
| 15:18.57 | wols_ | mirak: umda5 is ata100 |
| 15:19.04 | donald_ | segfault-: xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768 |
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| 15:19.14 | segfault- | donald_, instead of... ? |
| 15:19.16 | Yarcanox | without proper 3d acceleration drivers, opengl seems to be software emulated |
| 15:19.17 | mirak | wols_: so I still have a problem, |
| 15:19.30 | Yarcanox | is it posible to speed this software emulation up at the expense of worser quality? |
| 15:19.32 | wols_ | mirak: the problem is what? and what disk is it exactly? model number |
| 15:19.44 | Yarcanox | e.g. do the texture transformation with less accuracy but faster or something like that |
| 15:19.49 | pumpkin0 | wols_: you are right, the 128GiB-limit was on ATA-66 -> 100 switch. But ATA133 is a standard : http://www.t10.org/t13/project/d1532v1r4a-ATA-ATAPI-7.pdf http://www.t10.org/t13/project/d1532v2r4a-ATA-ATAPI-7.pdf and http://www.t10.org/t13/project/d1532v3r4a-ATA-ATAPI-7.pdf |
| 15:19.51 | wols_ | Yarcanox: no. ther is only mesa. what videocard/chip? |
| 15:19.55 | donald_ | segfault-: that was in the script which is triggered by a /etc/acpi/event/blabla |
| 15:20.07 | Yarcanox | wols_ sorry... err... now I'm confused |
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| 15:20.23 | Yarcanox | wine uses opengl to display things. and 3d acceleration is not activated. but in fact I see some software rendered 3d stuff here |
| 15:20.37 | wols_ | Yarcanox:sure. mesa. againb: what videocard |
| 15:20.42 | mirak | wols_: this disk doesn't go to udma5 unless I force it, and anyway I have errors |
| 15:20.43 | mirak | hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 15:20.43 | mirak | hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 15:20.55 | segfault- | donald_, hmmm and what say the log ? |
| 15:21.00 | donald_ | pumpkin0 told me to look in thinkwiki.. |
| 15:21.06 | gordonjcp | mirak: that sounds like a dying drive |
| 15:21.07 | jelly-home | wols_: he's already using mesa, and is asking how to speed it up (at the expense of quality/effects) |
| 15:21.07 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: you cannot make the software-3D go faster. But maybe you can enable hardware 3D for your card. which one do you have ? |
| 15:21.08 | wols_ | mirak: your disk is probably bad. did you do a smarctl test and if so which one? |
| 15:21.21 | hon | aptitude purge <something> purges the thing but it only *uninstalls* its unused dependencies. How can I purge them as well? |
| 15:21.26 | wols_ | jelly-home: and I ask what videocard he uses which he ignores. either he answers or I ignore him |
| 15:21.43 | segfault- | hon, aptitude remove --purge ? |
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| 15:21.47 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 technically it is possible to make the software-3d faster |
| 15:21.48 | mirak | wols_: I did the short and long self test but no errors where revealed. THat's what confuse me |
| 15:21.50 | donald_ | segfault-: on a fresh boot, /var/log/acpid said "can't open display" but if i used sudo to restart acpid, the script works |
| 15:21.52 | Yarcanox | and that's what I ask for |
| 15:21.58 | Yarcanox | I dunno if there are switches implemented for it |
| 15:21.58 | wols_ | mirak: change the cables |
| 15:22.01 | Yarcanox | that's why I came here |
| 15:22.11 | jelly-home | wols_: well, if he's already resigned to mesa, what purpose is in that question? |
| 15:22.20 | segfault- | donald_, are you on a console ? |
| 15:22.32 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: there are no switches that really make a difference.You will see ~0.1 fps more, max. |
| 15:22.35 | Yarcanox | software-3d can be way faster if you e.g. drop the perspective correct texture transformation, calculate multilayered textures with a lower resolution or something |
| 15:22.36 | mirak | wols_: it seems this series have issues http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0006FS2CM?filterBy=addOneStar |
| 15:22.49 | segfault- | donald_, if yes, kill your xserver and try to rerun the script, it's maybe related to x |
| 15:22.49 | donald_ | segfault-: console for what? i triggered the event using Fn+F6 |
| 15:22.50 | Yarcanox | and I just wanted to know if it is possible to activate something like this which does more than 0.1fps :p |
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| 15:22.59 | mirak | wols_: I already tried different cables, but well I can |
| 15:23.03 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: but you are free to hack these seepups into mesa yourself... |
| 15:23.04 | wols_ | Yarcanox: no. last time: what chip? |
| 15:23.16 | jelly-home | Yarcanox: you'll have to find a dri/mesa specific channel or mailing list for that answer ;-) |
| 15:23.17 | segfault- | donald_, shell console, you can go there by pressing alt+F1 for example to get to the first tty |
| 15:23.24 | Yarcanox | wols_ I won't tell ya because that's completely irrelevant for my question |
| 15:23.29 | hon | segfault-: yes. thanks. |
| 15:23.29 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 thanks |
| 15:23.33 | Yarcanox | I don't think I am going to hack it myself :p |
| 15:23.39 | segfault- | hon, it did work ? |
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| 15:23.44 | Yarcanox | probably installing the 3d acceleration then or just let the engine choose a lower resolution^^ |
| 15:23.52 | hon | segfault-: yes. |
| 15:23.58 | Yarcanox | just wanted to know if it is possible to get this faster without recoding everything, because that software thing is fun =P |
| 15:24.02 | segfault- | hon, glad to be of service :) |
| 15:24.08 | mirak | wols_: other drives are behaving fine on this cable |
| 15:24.09 | donald_ | segfault-: what difference of what i do in a console and a terminal box in gnome? |
| 15:24.11 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: run at 16 bit color can help too (depends on the textures used. |
| 15:24.32 | Yarcanox | hm I think that engine already runs at 16 bit colour |
| 15:24.37 | segfault- | hon, fyi, aptitude mostly use the same syntax as apt-get, you should always tell him what action to do (install, remove, show whatever) |
| 15:24.44 | Yarcanox | could depend on wine though |
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| 15:24.55 | Yarcanox | it is a windows directx engine using the wine directx emulation :) |
| 15:24.58 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: always match the display-depth to the engine depth. |
| 15:25.13 | segfault- | donald_, when you get a "can't open the display" message, it is often related to either a non-existent terminal or a xserver related problem |
| 15:25.19 | Yarcanox | hm. yes, I'll give it a try |
| 15:25.24 | donald_ | i'm trying to understand the difference between restarting a service using sudo and when it booted |
| 15:25.32 | hon | segfault-: I used to do an aptitude purge $(dpkg -l | grep '^rc' | awk '{print $2}') after a while |
| 15:25.46 | mirak | wols_: st3250823a is the reference of the drive. I have a segate drive that can't spinup also for yesterday to today, brutaly, I am doomed. though the one I am talking about have this issue since a long time |
| 15:25.52 | mirak | and on different machines |
| 15:25.57 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: that emu uses opengl on the linux-end, so hardware 3D will improve matters a lot. |
| 15:26.09 | segfault- | donald_, on boot, xserver is the last thing that start, if it works with sudo, it is maybe because your xserver is launched |
| 15:26.10 | Yarcanox | I know it will :) |
| 15:26.13 | Yarcanox | but software3d is just fun |
| 15:26.17 | segfault- | donald_, while it is not on the boot |
| 15:26.19 | Yarcanox | I always found this fascinating |
| 15:26.26 | jelly-home | donald_: environment variables; different services running at the time; possibly different mount points available |
| 15:26.28 | Yarcanox | you played one of the old 3d games back then? they were completely in software |
| 15:26.33 | Yarcanox | and ran so smooth even on those old computers! |
| 15:26.37 | hon | segfault-: I think it could be more intuitive if aptitude purge would purge unused deps as well. |
| 15:26.38 | donald_ | segfault-: i'm trying to understand why the script wont work when acpid is started at boot and after i restarted it using sudo |
| 15:26.41 | Yarcanox | and today's software renderers are just altogether so bloody slow :< |
| 15:27.05 | segfault- | hon, yeah, there is a reason for apt-get to stay in the system :p |
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| 15:27.14 | wols_ | donald, segfault- can you please do your troubleshooting in ubuntu? you are OT here |
| 15:27.23 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: no, thats not the problem. todays engines do no longer cull agressivly for themselfs and use big textures. These are the killers. |
| 15:27.28 | wols_ | donald_, segfault- not as anybody else talks to you about it |
| 15:27.30 | segfault- | hon, BUT you could launch aptitude alone, and like dselect remove the dependancies |
| 15:27.33 | donald_ | heck.. i could just hack around this by putting a restart script in rc.local |
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| 15:27.49 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 yes, probably, and that's why I hoped there would be a switch to make the opengl software emulation cut the effects a bit like that |
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| 15:28.03 | segfault- | wols_, i am sorry, aptitude is ubuntu too ? :) |
| 15:28.03 | mirak | wols_: it seems also other drives doesn't like to be on the same ide port than this drive |
| 15:28.07 | Yarcanox | lower the textures resolution, don't do such an extremely smooth texture filtering etc |
| 15:28.26 | Yarcanox | the engines back then didn't do that, so I wonder if that opengl software thingy can do it the same way |
| 15:28.36 | segfault- | donald_, prolly, or if you want my opnion, trash your ubuntu install and get a debian one :) |
| 15:28.43 | segfault- | (you'll get support there :P) |
| 15:28.45 | wols_ | Yarcanox: the engine is not the (software) opengl layer |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | donald_: please GO TO #ubuntu .. you've been told numerous times |
| 15:28.51 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: the software 3D does cull, but it takes a lot of time if you don't have the internals from the engine. culling based on 3D info alone is slower then culling inside the engine. |
| 15:28.54 | segfault- | (yeah i'm tickling the troll) |
| 15:28.54 | jelly-home | Yarcanox: totally unrelated, I get more frames with windows glxgears under wine than the native one |
| 15:29.04 | wols_ | the opengl layer takes what the engines deliver. and the engine delivers big textures and doesn't cull. |
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| 15:29.30 | Yarcanox | wols_ I know?? |
| 15:29.36 | Yarcanox | you're saying weird things from time to time :) |
| 15:29.40 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 the engine supports culling afaik |
| 15:29.58 | wols_ | Yarcanox: then hack the engine to actually DO some culling if you so desire |
| 15:30.00 | Yarcanox | but all the texture filtering is just expensive, and I wondered if it is possible to turn of such stuff. it can't be done using the engine itself, sadly |
| 15:30.01 | donald_ | ok. let's start a debian problem. how do i get rid of seeing 2 batteries in g-p-m on 2.6.24 kernels? |
| 15:30.04 | Yarcanox | there's no switch for it |
| 15:30.06 | segfault- | donald_, the advantages are indeed better, as i always say, use debian if you're ready to get your hands on the engine, else : don't. |
| 15:30.14 | Yarcanox | wols_ as I said, the engine supports culling |
| 15:30.22 | Yarcanox | don't you want to add something useful like the others? :-? |
| 15:30.24 | abrotman | donald_: please don't .. either install debian or go to #ubuntu |
| 15:30.25 | wols_ | Yarcanox: then USE IT! |
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| 15:30.28 | donald_ | segfault-: too many things dont work on this X61 as yet |
| 15:30.30 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 probably there's no way to get it faster |
| 15:30.37 | Yarcanox | without hacking the engine to deactivate all this texture filtering etc |
| 15:30.39 | segfault- | donald_, wich ? |
| 15:30.41 | Yarcanox | bilinear/trilinear stuff |
| 15:30.47 | Yarcanox | I am sure the emulation of that costs a lot of time |
| 15:30.48 | octo_ | how can i make iceweasle my defauly browser? |
| 15:30.53 | abrotman | octo_: in what? |
| 15:30.58 | wols_ | octo_: update-rc.d |
| 15:31.01 | octo_ | sorry, im not used to gnome |
| 15:31.05 | segfault- | octo_, in gnome ? kde ? fluxbox ? |
| 15:31.09 | donald_ | segfault-: emerald, compiz, hibernate |
| 15:31.11 | Yarcanox | as I already said, I just hoped it would be possible to tell opengl to ignore those texture filter settings and just don't do it :) |
| 15:31.15 | abrotman | octo_: Preferred Applications |
| 15:31.17 | cahoot | update-alternatives? |
| 15:31.19 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: culling and culling are 2 different things: you can cull everything behind you or you can cull based on the view... etc. nowadays it is faster to do simple culling in the engine and have the card deal with the rest. |
| 15:31.19 | Yarcanox | or do the lighting emulation much less accurate etc :) |
| 15:31.22 | mike1o | octo_, preferred applications |
| 15:31.24 | segfault- | donald_, that is so untrue :( i use compiz |
| 15:31.33 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 it's bsp culling |
| 15:31.37 | segfault- | (well maybe not on your achitecture) |
| 15:31.39 | donald_ | segfault-: emerald on lenny? |
| 15:31.42 | wols_ | Yarcanox: you've been told several times already it's not possible. do you think this changes when you ask often enough? do you know what the definition of insantiy is? |
| 15:31.45 | octo_ | what is the difference between iceweasle and firefox? |
| 15:31.48 | donald_ | on a GM965? |
| 15:31.53 | segfault- | donald_, check yourself : http://packages.debian.org |
| 15:31.54 | diafic | octo_, not a lot. |
| 15:31.55 | wols_ | !tell octo_ about iceweasel |
| 15:31.58 | Yarcanox | wols_ let me have some words with pumpkin0 please |
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| 15:32.00 | mike1o | octo_, none |
| 15:32.12 | diafic | mike1o, some graphic differences :P |
| 15:32.13 | Yarcanox | and it is possible of course, there are just no switches for it |
| 15:32.14 | segfault- | octo_, you can also use a temporary .xsession attached to youre user |
| 15:32.14 | wols_ | Yarcanox: pumpkin0 told you the SAME thing |
| 15:32.16 | GuilhermeBrant | How to set konqueror my default file manager? |
| 15:32.19 | diafic | and some sites wierd out when they see iceweasel. |
| 15:32.20 | segfault- | your* |
| 15:32.26 | Yarcanox | wols_ he actually said a lot of useful stuff :) |
| 15:32.27 | wols_ | Yarcanox: yes it's possible. if you program mesa to do it. good luck |
| 15:32.29 | Yarcanox | or at least useful for me |
| 15:32.36 | donald_ | segfault-: last i tried compiz, 10 days ago, it was a nightmare |
| 15:32.39 | mike1o | diafic, trademark differences? |
| 15:32.40 | Yarcanox | wols_ yep, I know. I just like talking a bit more about it :) |
| 15:32.42 | mike1o | :) |
| 15:32.44 | Yarcanox | and not getting some strange suggestions |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: in what? |
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| 15:32.55 | segfault- | donald_, i do not say it's easy :p |
| 15:33.06 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 I think I won't change mesa to do it =P although it would be fun to have all those 3d games in software |
| 15:33.07 | GuilhermeBrant | abrortman Debian Etch |
| 15:33.15 | donald_ | i prefer .debs from debian and not from tuxfamily |
| 15:33.18 | Yarcanox | but I guess I just don't know enough about all this |
| 15:33.19 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: yes .. in what? kde? |
| 15:33.22 | Yarcanox | otherwise I'd try it^^ |
| 15:33.23 | GuilhermeBrant | gnome |
| 15:33.31 | segfault- | donald_, but hey, i even converted a gentoo bitch to debian and he can't leave it now, so why not you ? :D |
| 15:33.36 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: and i agree with wols: the mesa-software-version will no go faster. It cannot switch off texture filters, replace a good culler ... |
| 15:33.40 | wols_ | donald_: uagent-switcher |
| 15:33.59 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 why can't it switch off the texture filter? |
| 15:34.03 | wols_ | diafic: user-agent-switcher |
| 15:34.04 | mike1o | a want to meet a gentoo bitch once :-P |
| 15:34.06 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: but it has nautilus? you can just install konq and run it like normal ? |
| 15:34.11 | Yarcanox | and use some very near-distance mipmaps :) |
| 15:34.12 | donald_ | segfault-: i was/am a debian user on other machines. just this one is ubuntu. and my wife's laptop |
| 15:34.17 | Yarcanox | I am sure that would actually save a lot of performance |
| 15:34.26 | Yarcanox | the engine uses bilinear texture filtering afaik |
| 15:34.28 | donald_ | wols_: what is that for? |
| 15:34.30 | segfault- | donald_, augh |
| 15:34.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: um, nautilus is normal? |
| 15:34.37 | Yarcanox | and I guess this is very slow done on software |
| 15:34.37 | pumpkin0 | Yarcanox: It is build in. You have to recompile and dig deeply into mesa to change these things. if you want fast and good culling look at the tec-docs for the kyro and kyro II engines. |
| 15:34.38 | segfault- | donald_, i see the main problem, it's a laptop |
| 15:34.38 | wols_ | donald_: wrong nick. go to #ubuntu. please |
| 15:34.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: in gnome? |
| 15:34.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes. |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: if you install the gnome metapackage .. yes |
| 15:35.14 | donald_ | segfault-: and FYI, i been using debian since sarge |
| 15:35.16 | Yarcanox | pumpkin0 yes... sadly it's build in =P huh. I'll just install 3d acc |
| 15:35.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: that would be implied by "I'm running gnome", right |
| 15:35.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: so what's the question ? |
| 15:35.55 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman it has nautilus.I would like to when I open a folder,it opens on konqueror...nautilus keeps opening new windows for every folder I click |
| 15:36.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: <abrotman> GuilhermeBrant: but it has nautilus? you can just install konq and run it like normal ? # konq is not normal |
| 15:36.09 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: that is a setting you can change |
| 15:36.16 | donald_ | wols_: what's wrong with being here? u all just keen on pushing anyone who uses ubuntu out? i use debian elsewhere, especially on my servers |
| 15:36.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh .. |
| 15:36.24 | segfault- | donald_, well |
| 15:36.34 | segfault- | donald_, i started linux with slackware |
| 15:36.37 | wols_ | donald_: cause you constantly talk about ubuntu problems. and we don't and can't solve those |
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| 15:36.43 | segfault- | donald_, then i switched to rex |
| 15:36.47 | segfault- | and never stopped since |
| 15:37.16 | donald_ | i asked about 2 batteries in g-p-m on 2.6.24 in lenny and that's not a ubuntu specific issue is it? |
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| 15:37.27 | segfault- | hmmm |
| 15:37.29 | jarule2 | stop , enough, prince |
| 15:37.30 | abrotman | actually .. 2.6.24 is NOT in lenny |
| 15:37.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: that doesn't stop me from running it! |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | i know |
| 15:38.06 | donald_ | i ran lenny with pinning to get a kernel from unstable so my snd-hda-intel sound worked |
| 15:38.16 | octo_ | soeone should make a fork of a browser and name it fireice Dungbeatle |
| 15:38.25 | wols_ | octo_: you can |
| 15:38.28 | octo_ | lol |
| 15:38.30 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman I've already tried to search in the Nautilus' preferences,but it doesn't have an option for opening folders in the same window |
| 15:38.36 | segfault- | donald_, the problem is that the poor lenny have some kernels problems :/ |
| 15:38.41 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: let me find it |
| 15:38.42 | pumpkin0 | donald_: read thinkwiki and join ltp-mailing list. Your problems are common and well documented. But i cannot be a***d into googling for you. |
| 15:38.50 | segfault- | (had a wireless driver gone with last change) |
| 15:39.15 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: http://www.fedorafaq.org/fc2/#nautilus-spatial |
| 15:39.36 | segfault- | abrotman, do not speak about fedora there, we are on #debian ! (ironic). |
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| 15:40.08 | donald_ | pumpkin0: keywords would help. |
| 15:40.12 | abrotman | segfault-: go away |
| 15:40.19 | segfault- | donald_, see ? pumpkin is ready to help :) |
| 15:40.24 | GuilhermeBrant | abrotman thank you,I'll read it |
| 15:40.27 | esolli | i must ask, is ndiswrapper included in Debian 4.0? |
| 15:40.35 | segfault- | abrotman, what ? you don't like me humping on your leg ? |
| 15:40.39 | wols_ | !tell esolli about ndiswrapper |
| 15:40.40 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 15:40.40 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 15:40.42 | donald_ | esolli: yes. u just need to mod-ass it |
| 15:40.46 | pumpkin0 | donald_: multiple battery, 2.6.24, thinkpad, X60. Now go away. |
| 15:40.52 | GuilhermeBrant | just one more question....no firefox for debian? |
| 15:40.55 | abrotman | segfault-: don't you have something else to do? |
| 15:40.59 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: iceweasel |
| 15:41.05 | segfault- | GuilhermeBrant, it's named iceweasel |
| 15:41.06 | pumpkin0 | GuilhermeBrant: renamed to iceweasel. |
| 15:41.16 | donald_ | what? we cant even hang around and help what we know?? |
| 15:41.20 | octo_ | i am about to nstall the nvidia drivers, how do i drop to init 3 in Deb? |
| 15:41.28 | segfault- | abrotman, dunno, i'm trying to help users on some free time, and you ? :) |
| 15:41.37 | pumpkin0 | octo_: no need to drop into single-user. |
| 15:41.48 | wols_ | octo_: there is no such thing as "init 3" in debian. well there is but it'S not used or needed |
| 15:41.51 | wols_ | !tell octo_ about nodm |
| 15:42.03 | ben_goodger | octo_: you're only on init 2 anyway (by default) and you can just install the drivers from there |
| 15:42.03 | GuilhermeBrant | ah ok thank you |
| 15:42.09 | wols_ | octo_: to install nvidia drivers you don't need to be out of X |
| 15:42.12 | pumpkin0 | octo_: remove the nv-driver, remove all traces from that package in /etc/init.d. Then kill X and install the drivers. |
| 15:42.14 | jarule2 | respond to me or you are kicked out or will be beaten |
| 15:42.23 | abrotman | jarule2: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 15:42.25 | jelly-home | !confuse jarule2 |
| 15:42.26 | dpkg | Yes, those was their bacon today, jarule2? trousers of the monarchy of swaziland with extra ham |
| 15:42.27 | pumpkin0 | wols_: depends on the source... |
| 15:42.31 | wols_ | pumpkin0: there are no traces of nv in init.d |
| 15:42.45 | wols_ | pumpkin0: there is only ONE supported source here and that doesn't need it |
| 15:43.10 | segfault- | wols_, try a find.. |
| 15:43.18 | abrotman | tralala: what were you telling me the other day about rogers cable hostmasks ? |
| 15:43.24 | wols_ | segfault-: what for? |
| 15:43.27 | octo_ | pumpkin0, how can i kill x from ttyl , type xdm stop ? |
| 15:43.30 | segfault- | wols_, for any residual |
| 15:43.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: maybe it's a bot. |
| 15:43.50 | segfault- | octo_, /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 15:43.56 | pumpkin0 | octo_: if you use xdm: yes. Which nbvidia-package did you get ? apt-get-style or from nvidia.com ? |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: a very similar host got banned earlier this week |
| 15:44.17 | wols_ | segfault-: there are none. never are |
| 15:44.22 | wols_ | not for nv |
| 15:44.26 | octo_ | segfault-, well, im in gnome, im not sure what its using, not kdm right? |
| 15:44.29 | Sazpaimon | alright, how come apt's subversion doesnt support checking out over http(s) |
| 15:44.35 | segfault- | wols_, fine, go ahead with the install |
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| 15:44.39 | wols_ | octo_: I told dpkg to tell you how to stop it.r ad it |
| 15:44.44 | Sazpaimon | and how do i get svn to check out over these mediums |
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| 15:44.48 | jim | jarule2: your question would be better answered by your attorney |
| 15:44.51 | segfault- | octo_, it can be : gdm, xdm, kdm |
| 15:45.02 | segfault- | usually gdm by default |
| 15:45.11 | octo_ | pumpkin0, im going to let it compile the module, i downloaded it from nvidia |
| 15:45.19 | wols_ | octo_: then ask #nvidia |
| 15:45.27 | octo_ | segfault-, how do i check which one im using ? |
| 15:45.36 | Sazpaimon | I try to check out and I get "svn: Unrecognized URL scheme for 'https://...." |
| 15:45.39 | abrotman | dpkg -l *dm |
| 15:45.39 | dpkg | No packages found matching *dm |
| 15:45.41 | Sazpaimon | so yeah |
| 15:45.42 | Sazpaimon | help |
| 15:45.50 | pumpkin0 | octo_: you need to quit X, you need the kernel headers and b-e and you need to change the channel before wols_ explodes. |
| 15:45.54 | jarule2 | what t do when other scratch with you because you are better than them and wants to steal your energy from them? |
| 15:45.55 | wols_ | segfault-: check out WHAT, WHERE? |
| 15:45.55 | segfault- | octo_, ls /etc/init.d|grep dm |
| 15:46.01 | abrotman | jarule2: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 15:46.21 | Sazpaimon | wols_, i assume that was directed at me |
| 15:46.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh well. ban plz kthx |
| 15:46.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: one more chance? :) |
| 15:46.36 | Sazpaimon | check out anything off of svn usin g https and http URLs |
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| 15:46.53 | octo_ | so wols thinks that the nvidia drivers inthe debian repos didnt actuall at one point come from the nvidia website too ? lol |
| 15:46.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: I've just seen the ban list and there are multiple near-matches |
| 15:47.03 | segfault- | wols_, sec, getting a sure method to check |
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| 15:47.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh .. now i know why it's familiar .. he's the guy that was asking all kinds of odd stuff wednesday night |
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| 15:47.35 | wols_ | octo_: they did but they are not supported here. plus they break your packagemanagement. you've been warned |
| 15:47.37 | pumpkin0 | octo_: different installer. The 2 installer are more or less to war and installing one after the other f**ks the X-system. |
| 15:47.45 | jarule2 | what t do when other scratch with you because you are better than them and wants to steal your energy from them? |
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| 15:47.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: see that line by Maulk'n with the *.cable.rogers.com |
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| 15:48.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: tralala was saying something about CPE00012*.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com is all of his IPs |
| 15:48.27 | octo_ | wols_, ok, well i didnt know they break package manegment |
| 15:48.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: he only slightly changed the username from sadasd to asdasd or something |
| 15:48.51 | wols_ | octo_: what nvidia card? |
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| 15:49.11 | segfault- | wols_, don't have this answer, i know by the look & feel when facing |
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| 15:50.10 | Sazpaimon | so basicallyt I need to install ra_dav for my apt-get version of subversion |
| 15:50.11 | octo_ | wols_, gforce 6600, I have no problem installinghte repo ones, I am just used to compiling it myself in suse so iassumed it was prefferred here too :) |
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| 15:50.13 | Sazpaimon | how do I do this? |
| 15:50.41 | nvz | I've got some kinda weirdness here either usb port shorting or bad mouse or something but usually just fixes itself |
| 15:50.44 | octo_ | wols_, if you guys strongly recommend not doing that I will heed your warning lol |
| 15:50.50 | nvz | I tried to rmmod uhci-hcd and it hung |
| 15:50.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: he has an odd list of channels though |
| 15:51.01 | pumpkin0 | octo_: install the repo-version. With that card it is not worth the hassle to install nvidia.com drivers. |
| 15:51.03 | did | What should I 'apt-get install' in order to chat in this room? I installed a standard Debian configuration on my old computer and I don't see any chat program. (...or am I just not finding it?) |
| 15:51.04 | nvz | is there anything I can do possibly in /proc/ to reset it? |
| 15:51.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: or did |
| 15:51.17 | wols_ | octo_: newer nvidia cards don#t work with etch drivers which is why I was asking. sid backports work too, so you can still compile the newest nvidia drivers on your own. just do it "the debian way" |
| 15:51.34 | kunsi | did: irssi, if you like the shell :) |
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| 15:51.38 | xand | did: it's a channel not room... install irssi |
| 15:51.50 | wols_ | !irssi |
| 15:51.50 | dpkg | i guess irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 15:52.02 | octo_ | wols_, I know in suse, it just installs the module and changes your xorg file, which I change myself anyway |
| 15:52.11 | donald_ | does anyone have a good link to a howto for compiz/emerald on debian? |
| 15:52.18 | did | xand, what I mean is what package should I install in order to chat? |
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| 15:52.25 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, you checked your modules ? |
| 15:52.26 | wols_ | !compiz |
| 15:52.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 15:52.28 | octo_ | wols, I would actually like to just use the one in the repo if i can for now :) |
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| 15:52.30 | xand | did: I said, irssi |
| 15:52.39 | Sazpaimon | segfault-, svn --version right> |
| 15:52.42 | Sazpaimon | ra_dav isnt there |
| 15:52.46 | octo_ | what repo is it in, the standard ones, or the backports? |
| 15:52.49 | segfault- | hmmm |
| 15:52.51 | nvz | I guess I have to reboot then if nobody has any suggestions on how to reset a uhci controller forcefully |
| 15:52.56 | pumpkin0 | octo_: standard is OK. |
| 15:52.57 | Sazpaimon | segfault-, nor do I see ra_dav in apt-cache |
| 15:52.59 | wols_ | octo_: that has one slight drawback: no compiz possible. version to low :). sid s also "In the repos". sorta :) |
| 15:53.04 | did | xand: oh, sorry, thx |
| 15:53.10 | wols_ | octo_: sid contrib and non-free |
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| 15:53.12 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, searching with apt-file.. |
| 15:53.13 | Sazpaimon | segfault-, does etch's subversion include ra_dav or what? |
| 15:53.16 | wols_ | !tell octo about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:53.18 | octo_ | pumpkin0, is it ok to leave nv installed and just change it inthe xorg file? |
| 15:53.24 | donald_ | wols_: that wiki link is a bit outdated. didnt work to well with 965 chipsets |
| 15:53.29 | wols_ | octo_: or the etch one in etch contrib and non-free of course |
| 15:53.36 | Sazpaimon | segfault-, let me install apt-file then... |
| 15:53.45 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, lol na |
| 15:53.46 | pumpkin0 | octo_: yes. nv and repo-nvidia are not trying to kill each other. |
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| 15:53.50 | segfault- | wait, i'm updating my db |
| 15:53.59 | wols_ | donald_: some 965 IGPs have problems with compiz. driver problems |
| 15:54.11 | octo_ | wols_, I have compiz on my other pc anyway, and this is going to turn into a headless server soon too :) |
| 15:54.35 | donald_ | wols_: i have to say it works on another distro. why not debian also? |
| 15:54.50 | wols_ | donald_: do you know when debian etch was frozen? |
| 15:55.11 | segfault- | wols_, augh; not that troll again.. |
| 15:55.17 | donald_ | wols_: i read abt the timeline to the Sept2008 release but i dont remember dates |
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| 15:55.30 | octo_ | pumpkin0, I just want to thanks you guys for your help, you are more helpful than the #suse, and i seems to be having alot of fun with debian thanks to you guys |
| 15:55.37 | abrotman | donald_: no .. etch .. not lenny |
| 15:55.50 | wols_ | donald_: etch software is for all intents and purposes 18months+ old. so is compiz in etch |
| 15:56.07 | donald_ | woah.. mis-read |
| 15:56.09 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, got the filename of the module ? |
| 15:56.13 | abrotman | wols_: simonrvn says that should be "intensive purposes" :) |
| 15:56.21 | Sazpaimon | segfault-, libsvn1: usr/lib/libsvn_ra_dav-1.so.1 |
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| 15:56.31 | Sazpaimon | libsvn1 is already the newest version. |
| 15:56.33 | ben_goodger | hello again |
| 15:56.47 | Sazpaimon | let me reinstall subversion.. |
| 15:57.11 | ben_goodger | can anyone tell me why nvidia-graphics-drivers is missing from testing? I have looked at its page on packages.qa and I can't understand it |
| 15:57.12 | Sazpaimon | nope.. still not listed in svn --version |
| 15:57.12 | donald_ | there is a compiz package in lenny now but it works badly |
| 15:57.17 | ben_goodger | seems to have been dead for some time |
| 15:57.19 | Sazpaimon | segfault-, any ideas? |
| 15:57.26 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, you got it or not ? |
| 15:57.34 | Sazpaimon | ive got libsvn1 installed |
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| 15:57.39 | wols_ | ben_goodger: it is missing since forever bascally. backport from sid |
| 15:57.40 | Sazpaimon | i ran locate ra_dav |
| 15:57.42 | Sazpaimon | and found /usr/lib/libsvn_ra_dav-1.so.1 |
| 15:57.47 | wols_ | ben_goodger: or use the etch one. your choice |
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| 15:57.50 | segfault- | then you got to activate it |
| 15:58.03 | wols_ | segfault-: on what distro? |
| 15:58.04 | abrotman | wols_: i thought it was back again |
| 15:58.05 | segfault- | don't ask me how, i'm not an svn expert |
| 15:58.09 | ben_goodger | wols_: the backport works, contradictory to the "causes catastrophic kernel instability" bug reports? |
| 15:58.18 | poe-t | hi! are ther any Arabic person here? (how do you use scim in xorg to input S letter - the one you have in miSr - Egypt?) |
| 15:58.24 | abrotman | !ur |
| 15:58.24 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 15:58.28 | abrotman | if anyone is there |
| 15:58.33 | wols_ | abrotman: in sid it has changed sevreal verasions now but nothing in lenny. and frankly there is no good reason it's not |
| 15:58.33 | FiendishFish | Can I stop ext3 mounting in a journaling data mode permanently, and will it have any bad affects? as shred isn't efficient in journaling modes. |
| 15:58.34 | tongucyumruk | Hi, I have a network boot system that fails to boot since I updated to lenny. It loses it's connection to the NFS server when /etc/init.d/networking script starts. Can anybody help? |
| 15:58.40 | segfault- | wols_, debian, still, always. |
| 15:58.41 | octo_ | ok, so i am going to install nvidia-kernel 2.6.18-5amd64, nvidia-kernel-common, and nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig |
| 15:58.50 | abrotman | FiendishFish: mount it ext2 |
| 15:58.59 | wols_ | segfault-: then use dpkg -S to tell him which package it comes with |
| 15:59.03 | octo_ | if i run nvidia-xconfig , will it kill my xorg? lol |
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| 15:59.08 | FiendishFish | What abrotman ? |
| 15:59.10 | segfault- | wols_, we already know |
| 15:59.11 | wols_ | octo_: if you run 2.6.18, yes |
| 15:59.17 | FiendishFish | You can mount an ext3 partition as ext3? |
| 15:59.23 | FiendishFish | You can mount an ext3 partition as ext2* |
| 15:59.24 | abrotman | FiendishFish: as ext2 .. yes |
| 15:59.38 | wols_ | FiendishFish: simply say -t ext2 when you mount it to mount |
| 15:59.50 | Agiofws | i am trying to mount window share but its asking me for password ... but the xp machine does not have any password |
| 15:59.54 | ben_goodger | FiendishFish: ext3 is ext2 with a journal. they are back/forward compatible to a great extent |
| 15:59.56 | FiendishFish | Will it have any significant affects? and what's the main difference between ext3 and ext2. I'm talking about my main Linux partition though. |
| 15:59.58 | segfault- | wols_, Sazpaimon is trying to activate this svn module to use https (if i'm not wrong) |
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| 16:00.01 | octo_ | wols_, hmmm, im glad i asked lol. should i just go in and change it myself and reload x? |
| 16:00.01 | wols_ | !tell octo_ about drxx |
| 16:00.04 | donald_ | does anyone here use nexenta? |
| 16:00.11 | abrotman | FiendishFish: you're trying to turn off the journal anyway ... |
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| 16:00.19 | Agiofws | $mount -t smbfs //192.168.3.26/evan /mnt/2disk/Euan/ |
| 16:00.19 | Agiofws | Password: |
| 16:00.19 | Agiofws | 1535: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 16:00.19 | Agiofws | SMB connection failed |
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| 16:00.19 | wols_ | !tell donald_ about anyone |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | donald_: hi .. this is #debian |
| 16:00.35 | FiendishFish | Change: |
| 16:00.36 | FiendishFish | /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 16:00.41 | FiendishFish | /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 16:00.43 | FiendishFish | Like that? |
| 16:00.46 | abrotman | give it a try |
| 16:00.47 | wols_ | FiendishFish: yes |
| 16:01.05 | FiendishFish | You sure, it wont screw anything up? and do I have to restart? |
| 16:01.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:01.09 | Sazpaimon | yeah i have no idea how to activate modules |
| 16:01.10 | Sazpaimon | at all |
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| 16:01.18 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, google |
| 16:01.21 | Sazpaimon | i am |
| 16:01.27 | ben_goodger | FiendishFish: that will reduce reliability in the event of a crash, as you're disabling the journal |
| 16:01.27 | FiendishFish | modprobe |
| 16:01.31 | Sazpaimon | im getting a bunch of results on starting an svn server |
| 16:01.34 | ben_goodger | why do you want to use ext2 over ext3? |
| 16:01.36 | donald_ | well.. i'm just curious what opinions there are from people who have tried nexenta |
| 16:01.39 | FiendishFish | ben_goodger, shred. |
| 16:01.40 | Sazpaimon | i dont want to start an svn server |
| 16:01.45 | Sazpaimon | i want to CONNECT to an svn serve |
| 16:01.46 | gordonjcp | donald_: I tried nexenta |
| 16:01.47 | Sazpaimon | *server |
| 16:01.48 | ben_goodger | ah |
| 16:01.51 | gordonjcp | donald_: it's ok |
| 16:01.51 | FiendishFish | Shredding data, isn't effective in ext3 apparently? |
| 16:01.55 | gordonjcp | donald_: it's not on-topic though |
| 16:01.57 | octo_ | stupid question: what is the low down on dpkg? it seems to be used all over the place ? |
| 16:02.03 | ben_goodger | I wouldn't know |
| 16:02.21 | gordonjcp | octo_: dpkg as in the bot, or dpkg as in the packaging tool? |
| 16:02.21 | FiendishFish | There appears to be any particular advantages over using a journaling fs? |
| 16:02.21 | ben_goodger | I would presume, however, that if it works in ext2 it works in ext3 unless the journalling does something funny |
| 16:02.23 | wols_ | !dpkg |
| 16:02.23 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me. |
| 16:02.27 | segfault- | gordonjcp, warning, some people here can't tolerate you if you speak OOC |
| 16:02.27 | pumpkin0 | FiendishFish: shred fails in ext2 too so ... |
| 16:02.34 | octo_ | gordonjcp, the package tool |
| 16:02.39 | FiendishFish | pumpkin0, how come? |
| 16:02.41 | donald_ | gordonjcp: i know it's off-topic.. but some of the chatter here is too |
| 16:02.43 | wols_ | octo_: dpkg is also the resident bot here |
| 16:02.45 | abrotman | donald_: try ##nexenta |
| 16:02.47 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, as i said, i'm not an expert |
| 16:02.51 | wols_ | octo_: apt is simply a frontend to dpkg |
| 16:02.51 | FiendishFish | ben_goodger, http://rafb.net/p/S27hLd95.html |
| 16:02.52 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: yes, there are lots of advantages to journalling filesystems |
| 16:02.55 | gordonjcp | segfault-: "OOC"? |
| 16:03.00 | gordonjcp | octo_: 'cos it's really good |
| 16:03.06 | Sazpaimon | segfault-, well Im at the end of my rope |
| 16:03.10 | Sazpaimon | ive been googling all day |
| 16:03.11 | octo_ | wols_, lol yea, dpkg is a binary itself |
| 16:03.12 | asg | Sazpaimon: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 16:03.13 | segfault- | Out Of Context, you're not a roleplayer :) |
| 16:03.15 | Sazpaimon | and irc was the last place for help |
| 16:03.19 | pumpkin0 | FiendishFish: shred just overrwrites but does not check if the writes go the to right cluster. ext2 can change the cluster on writes (just like ext3). |
| 16:03.20 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, #svn then ;) |
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| 16:03.24 | asg | Sazpaimon: has all the information you need to do everything you want |
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| 16:03.39 | FiendishFish | pumpkin0, the shred man appears to tell me it's the journaling part of ext3, that is the problem, so if I take journaling away tis fine right? |
| 16:03.42 | Sazpaimon | asg, so I need to read the entire svn book to lean how to activate one single module |
| 16:03.43 | Sazpaimon | what |
| 16:03.44 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:04.04 | wols_ | Sazpaimon: indexes on books are a wonderful thin. table of contents are great too |
| 16:04.06 | pumpkin0 | FiendishFish: the journal is the first part of the problem, but not all the problem... |
| 16:04.07 | octo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.09 | FiendishFish | gordonjcp, I'll give you a low down: Someone sent me a _bad_ file, and I want to shred it from my computer. |
| 16:04.11 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 16:04.12 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:04.12 | asg | Sazpaimon: no, that's why books have an index and TOC |
| 16:04.16 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: delete it |
| 16:04.20 | FiendishFish | pumpkin0, So, what can I do to get around it. |
| 16:04.21 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, i'll be more clear : there is a #svn channel |
| 16:04.25 | FiendishFish | gordonjcp, Just normal rm? Lol |
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| 16:04.28 | segfault- | and they can help with your very specific problem |
| 16:04.52 | segfault- | (i guess so) |
| 16:04.52 | Sazpaimon | last time i was in #svn it was pretty dead |
| 16:04.52 | Sazpaimon | i'll try again |
| 16:04.52 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: yeah |
| 16:04.52 | FiendishFish | No. |
| 16:04.53 | FiendishFish | It's an ILLEGAL file. |
| 16:04.53 | segfault- | Sazpaimon, try on other networks too |
| 16:04.54 | FiendishFish | Some ass decided to send me. |
| 16:04.58 | pumpkin0 | FiendishFish: delete the file (all copies, cached versions, then fill the disc of nonsense data (like /dev/urandom) |
| 16:04.58 | segfault- | there is other networks than freenode |
| 16:05.01 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: just normal rm will completely get rid of it beyond the ability of any normal person to recover it |
| 16:05.02 | donald_ | alright.. now another bad question.. i'm using ubuntu 7.10 now and have a separate /home. if i reinstall everything in / with debian, will i have problems with leftover files /home ? |
| 16:05.10 | FiendishFish | gordonjcp, i.e. police? |
| 16:05.13 | pumpkin0 | gordonjcp: thats wrong. |
| 16:05.13 | wols_ | FiendishFish: use dd to zero it, them rm it |
| 16:05.17 | asg | FiendishFish: then use the 'shred' utility |
| 16:05.20 | FiendishFish | If I ever get my box confiscated or checked for any reason, then I'm screwed. |
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| 16:05.25 | FiendishFish | asg, this is the topic of conversation. |
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| 16:05.35 | FiendishFish | It doens't work fully on ext3 or journaling fs |
| 16:05.36 | gordonjcp | pumpkin0: no, it's not wrong |
| 16:05.47 | gordonjcp | pumpkin0: there is no way to undelete a file in ext2 or ext3 |
| 16:05.55 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: why would the police care? |
| 16:05.57 | segfault- | FiendishFish, try an erase programm and let it run for 2000 000 passes on your hdd |
| 16:06.00 | octo_ | donald, if /home is on the same disk, and you format it, everything will be toast |
| 16:06.05 | FiendishFish | gordonjcp, Because it's illegal. |
| 16:06.05 | pumpkin0 | gordonjcp: rm just removes the link-info, not the file itself. Any recover-tool can get the data back. |
| 16:06.10 | gordonjcp | pumpkin0: lol |
| 16:06.17 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: <shrug> |
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| 16:06.25 | FiendishFish | If I ever get my box tooken off me for whatever reason, people will think i'm an disgusting pedophile. |
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| 16:06.26 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: so don't tell them you had it |
| 16:06.31 | segfault- | donald_, you can keep /home |
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| 16:06.39 | ben_goodger | FiendishFish: copy of the quran or some such? |
| 16:06.42 | segfault- | donald_, you will just need to add back the users |
| 16:06.43 | Sazpaimon | well a quick look through the svn book index didnt help, nor did the TOC |
| 16:06.44 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: if you've rm-ed it, no-one will ever find it |
| 16:06.46 | FiendishFish | ben_goodger, rofl. |
| 16:06.53 | Sazpaimon | it seems that most tutorials are on how to set up an SVN server |
| 16:06.58 | Sazpaimon | and not set up your svn client |
| 16:06.58 | jelly-home | FiendishFish: umount, remount as ext2, shred or wipe it |
| 16:06.59 | asg | FiendishFish: what journaling mode do your ext3 filesystems use? |
| 16:07.01 | octo_ | donald_, you still have a/home directory, it just wont me mounted on a seperate partition anymore |
| 16:07.02 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: not without grovelling through the disk for *hours* specifically looking for that file |
| 16:07.19 | FiendishFish | asg, I dunno, what's the defau;t? |
| 16:07.20 | segfault- | FiendishFish, if you run a safe eraser programm for 2 000 000 passes |
| 16:07.23 | FiendishFish | default* |
| 16:07.25 | jelly-home | FiendishFish: if paranoid, backup the whole partition, then shred it and restore |
| 16:07.29 | abrotman | FiendishFish: ordered |
| 16:07.31 | segfault- | FiendishFish, i doubt there will be anything left |
| 16:07.35 | piju | hello all debian user!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:07.37 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: if you're that worried about it, you can overwrite the entire partition with /dev/urandom |
| 16:07.38 | piju | ;) |
| 16:07.39 | FiendishFish | shred -v -f -n100 -u -z /home/fiendishfish/.mozilla/firefox/wc17tvw1.default/Cache/* <-- that's what I used on my cache. |
| 16:07.41 | pumpkin0 | gordonjcp: a sleuthkit-scan takes 45 min on a 400GB disc and does sort by filetype, like jpg or avi ... |
| 16:07.43 | donald_ | octo_: i suppose all will be fine. forget the question |
| 16:07.43 | piju | greeting from malaysia |
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| 16:07.52 | donald_ | hi piju |
| 16:07.55 | gordonjcp | pumpkin0: sci-fi |
| 16:08.03 | asg | FiendishFish: data=ordered which apparently works just fine with shred per the manpage |
| 16:08.05 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 16:08.10 | piju | hi donald_ , i love mc D |
| 16:08.11 | piju | ;) |
| 16:08.15 | FiendishFish | per se. |
| 16:08.23 | Nyle | tokens?] |
| 16:08.25 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: is there any particular reason why the police would be poking about in your disks? |
| 16:08.27 | octo_ | donald_, oh, you were going to leave that partiontion alone? i think i see what you are saying now |
| 16:08.27 | FiendishFish | No. |
| 16:08.28 | Nyle | tokenized output? |
| 16:08.28 | FiendishFish | Lawl. |
| 16:08.31 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:08.32 | donald_ | bot here hate anything non-Debian |
| 16:08.35 | FiendishFish | Just incase, for other reasons :PO |
| 16:08.37 | pumpkin0 | gordonjcp: i run it everytime somebody kills a disc around here. |
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| 16:08.59 | pumpkin0 | gordonjcp: install and test it yourself, it is in etch and nice to use. |
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| 16:09.00 | FiendishFish | asb002, mine hasn't got an data option :/ |
| 16:09.02 | FiendishFish | /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 16:09.05 | FiendishFish | asg* |
| 16:09.10 | gordonjcp | pumpkin0: yes, I'm testing it just now |
| 16:09.13 | segfault- | FiendishFish, there's another solution |
| 16:09.18 | abrotman | FiendishFish: the default is ordered .. unless you specify otherwise .. man mount |
| 16:09.21 | Sazpaimon | yeah, #svn is just as dead as I remember it |
| 16:09.22 | segfault- | the mechanical one |
| 16:09.22 | Nyle | I worked out last night, and now I can't even straighten my arms or lift em up even |
| 16:09.26 | Nyle | ow |
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| 16:09.28 | gordonjcp | pumpkin0: so far it's found lots of files that haven't been deleted, and nothing that has been deleted |
| 16:09.29 | segfault- | get the hdd out of the comp. |
| 16:09.29 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:09.30 | dpkg | i guess ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:09.33 | arturaz | hey. does default debian etch kernel support 2gb memory? it seems that it only shows ~800MB available. |
| 16:09.33 | FiendishFish | segfault-, no. |
| 16:09.36 | Nyle | piece of shit |
| 16:09.36 | segfault- | get a sledghammer of 1kg |
| 16:09.36 | Sazpaimon | and flipping through the book was completely unhelpful |
| 16:09.39 | FiendishFish | I don't care. |
| 16:09.44 | Sazpaimon | so you know what |
| 16:09.44 | FiendishFish | About your shitty psyhical way. |
| 16:09.44 | jelly-home | Nyle: #debian-offtopic? |
| 16:09.45 | Sazpaimon | screw it |
| 16:09.48 | segfault- | slap it around 10 times |
| 16:09.48 | Nyle | no |
| 16:09.51 | Nyle | im done |
| 16:09.52 | Sazpaimon | im just going to check out this package on my local computer |
| 16:09.53 | segfault- | and you'll be done :P |
| 16:09.54 | FiendishFish | segfault-, I _DONT_ care. |
| 16:09.55 | Sazpaimon | then upload it to my server |
| 16:09.56 | abrotman | arturaz: install the -686 one |
| 16:09.59 | pumpkin0 | arturaz: it handles them nicely. |
| 16:10.00 | Nyle | just wanted to share that I can't quite type well today |
| 16:10.07 | Sazpaimon | its faster than waiting for an answer for hours |
| 16:10.16 | segfault- | FiendishFish, can't you take a joke ? |
| 16:10.16 | FiendishFish | So by default abrotman It should work fine? |
| 16:10.19 | FiendishFish | segfault-, xD |
| 16:10.24 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: you do know that for the most part overwriting a disk even *once* with random data will make it impossible for all but the most determined to recover any old data? |
| 16:10.25 | arturaz | abrotman, it's amd sempron. will it play nicely? The server is like in other side of the world :) |
| 16:10.27 | abrotman | FiendishFish: i don't know why asg was asking |
| 16:10.29 | FiendishFish | I'm just kinda freaked dude. The pics i've just saw! |
| 16:10.34 | abrotman | arturaz: yes .. or use the -k7 |
| 16:10.37 | gordonjcp | FiendishFish: assuming the disk was built some time in the last ten years |
| 16:10.45 | donald_ | if i have 4GB RAM, which kernel should i use? |
| 16:10.49 | abrotman | -686 |
| 16:10.51 | Nyle | 32bit |
| 16:10.53 | segfault- | FiendishFish, get paste the sci-fi |
| 16:11.06 | segfault- | after 500 passes of erasing your hdd & filling it with zeros |
| 16:11.09 | segfault- | nothing can be read |
| 16:11.10 | jelly-home | -686 gives only 3.4 GB useful :-| |
| 16:11.11 | Nyle | I wonder if bigmem i sturned on by default |
| 16:11.14 | \amethyst | donald_: -686-bigmem |
| 16:11.21 | octo_ | what happend to FiendishFish, he found some bad stuff on his disk ? |
| 16:11.23 | Nyle | wel.. there you go |
| 16:11.26 | \amethyst | donald_: or -amd64 if you want a 64-bit kernel |
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| 16:11.28 | gordonjcp | octo_: apparently |
| 16:11.29 | FiendishFish | octo_, I got sent some cp. |
| 16:11.36 | abrotman | \amethyst: but doesn't that still reserve a fair amount for PAE ? |
| 16:11.36 | segfault- | octo_, some abnormal sent it pedo crap or so |
| 16:11.42 | Nyle | ok |
| 16:11.47 | Nyle | I see where this is going |
| 16:11.53 | Nyle | FiendishFish: keep that shit to yourself, please. |
| 16:11.55 | jim | octo_: yeah, and now he has to get it amputated |
| 16:11.55 | donald_ | \amethyst: looking at the .config file. it says up to 4GB |
| 16:11.57 | FiendishFish | Nyle, what? |
| 16:12.06 | Nyle | FiendishFish: we dont' care about the pics you saw. |
| 16:12.14 | FiendishFish | Nyle, whatever. |
| 16:12.14 | Nyle | don't mention it again. |
| 16:12.19 | \amethyst | abrotman: it reserves a fair amount of virtual space, anyway.. I don't know about physical |
| 16:12.20 | segfault- | Nyle, you do not always control what your users send to your ftp |
| 16:12.25 | FiendishFish | I don't care what to hear your bollocks. |
| 16:12.30 | FiendishFish | Oh dear. |
| 16:12.35 | FiendishFish | The grammatical structure! |
| 16:12.38 | Nyle | I don't want to hear you talk about child porn in fucking debian |
| 16:12.38 | arturaz | so -686 supports amd semprons? u're sure of that? |
| 16:12.41 | abrotman | \amethyst: i'm just asking because the regular -686 goes to 4GB .. but reserves a bunch for PAE |
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| 16:12.41 | Nyle | so go fuckyourself. |
| 16:12.43 | abrotman | arturaz: yes |
| 16:12.44 | Nyle | goddamn |
| 16:12.45 | abrotman | Nyle: stop |
| 16:12.47 | wols_ | segfault-: but you control what you talk about |
| 16:12.48 | jelly-home | arturaz: yes. |
| 16:12.50 | FiendishFish | Nyle, It's more technical than that you retard. |
| 16:12.56 | arturaz | does -k7 support them? |
| 16:12.59 | FiendishFish | I'm not talking about it as enjoying or anything. |
| 16:13.00 | abrotman | arturaz: yes |
| 16:13.01 | wols_ | arturaz: we are very very sure |
| 16:13.01 | segfault- | wols_, ffs what ? |
| 16:13.04 | octo_ | FiendishFish, if you dont care about that disk, i would destroy it, even if you right all zeros to that drive, there is software out that that can somehow change the sensativity of the reader and get old writen data off of the drive if they are trying to |
| 16:13.07 | wols_ | arturaz: k7 doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:13.10 | segfault- | i said he was the victim of an asshole |
| 16:13.10 | jim | just call the police and report his hostname |
| 16:13.17 | jim | that should do it |
| 16:13.19 | FiendishFish | Report me? ROFL. |
| 16:13.20 | abrotman | wols_: it does in etch/lenny still |
| 16:13.30 | arturaz | wols_, Package: linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 16:13.32 | Nyle | doesn't matter, just say it was something else, you don't need to tell us what you were a victim of |
| 16:13.35 | Nyle | thats just disturbing shit |
| 16:13.42 | FiendishFish | Ignore me then. |
| 16:13.43 | FiendishFish | simple. |
| 16:13.43 | donald_ | abrotman: that's my question. can the normal -686 support exactly 4GB? meaning i would only need another kernel if i have 5G or more |
| 16:13.46 | jelly-home | arturaz: to be more precise, it won't exist after etch |
| 16:13.49 | Nyle | anyway get back to removing it, fill your hdd with zero 7 times |
| 16:13.51 | FiendishFish | jim, My first worry isn't reporting anyone. It's that i'm in possession of it. |
| 16:13.54 | octo_ | FiendishFish, I would take it apart and destroy the platters, Do i sound paranoid guys? I think you can get jail time if you are caught with stuff like that |
| 16:14.05 | ben_goodger | k7 is the last 32-bit AMD generation, i.e. athlon xp, early semprons. 64-bit semprons are probably better off on k8, i.e. amd64 architecture |
| 16:14.05 | abrotman | donald_: i don't know how ubuntu does it .. if that's the OS |
| 16:14.08 | FiendishFish | That's why I'm worried. |
| 16:14.08 | Nyle | definitely jail time |
| 16:14.10 | FiendishFish | Meh. |
| 16:14.11 | pumpkin0 | FiendishFish: you do know the mailserver has seen a copy ? |
| 16:14.12 | Nyle | just remove |
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| 16:14.15 | Nyle | totally wipe the hdd clean |
| 16:14.16 | donald_ | abrotman: lenny |
| 16:14.18 | FiendishFish | I've overwrote it with 100 times etc. |
| 16:14.19 | Nyle | shred? |
| 16:14.20 | segfault- | Nyle, it is normal to be concerned to delete that crap, in our days of stupidity anyone can be convicted of anything, he want to NOT be convicted for something he did not do |
| 16:14.22 | FiendishFish | pumpkin0, eh? |
| 16:14.22 | \amethyst | FiendishFish: If you don't report it, you're in illegal possession |
| 16:14.33 | abrotman | donald_: try the -686-bigmem .. but that's what i was trying to ask \amethyst about PAE |
| 16:14.35 | segfault- | Nyle, hence and therefore you've been rude for nothing |
| 16:14.36 | Xenguy | Can't 'wipe' just fix/clean the problem files? |
| 16:14.52 | pumpkin0 | FiendishFish: you got it by mail, right ? Then the mailserver has has it on disc for a wihle. |
| 16:14.52 | \amethyst | FiendishFish: Shave your goatee before you talk to the cops, that helps :) |
| 16:14.53 | Nyle | segfault-: I was born an asshole. |
| 16:14.59 | arturaz | ok. i'm installing -686 and rebooting. Any tips how to avoid total loss of the server if something goes wrong? like to make grub only boot THAT kernel one time and if i do hard reboot on server it would boot the old one? |
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| 16:15.05 | segfault- | Nyle, as i, but i can still be nice when needed |
| 16:15.07 | FiendishFish | \amethyst, I'm 15, I've not got one! |
| 16:15.07 | donald_ | abrotman: aye. my question too. i mean 4Gb is at the exact point for -686 kernel |
| 16:15.12 | Bronsky | hi ! |
| 16:15.15 | Nyle | \amethyst: hmmm.. you've beent talking to cops lately have ya |
| 16:15.16 | FiendishFish | ;) |
| 16:15.18 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:15.23 | Bronsky | i try to copy all package to a debian to another debian |
| 16:15.25 | abrotman | donald_: send me the box .. i'll let you know :) |
| 16:15.28 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 16:15.28 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 16:15.29 | jelly-home | Xenguy: care needs to be taken running wipe/shred/etc on journalized filesystems |
| 16:15.29 | Bronsky | dpkg --get-selections > simpson_paquets |
| 16:15.31 | octo_ | FiendishFish, Disks are cheap, you can buy a 320 gig seagate for 80 buck, just totally physically destroy that disk lol |
| 16:15.34 | donald_ | abrotman: har har |
| 16:15.35 | segfault- | ok stop all |
| 16:15.37 | Bronsky | dpkg --set-selections < simpson_paquets |
| 16:15.42 | segfault- | FiendishFish, fill the hard drive with 0 |
| 16:15.42 | octo_ | FiendishFish, I would love to do that anyway |
| 16:15.44 | Bronsky | but apparently don't work |
| 16:15.47 | Xenguy | jelly-home: how so? |
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| 16:15.48 | segfault- | a dozen times |
| 16:15.51 | segfault- | and you'll be ok |
| 16:15.54 | wols_ | Bronsky: you've just given a way that does work |
| 16:15.55 | Bronsky | apparently the system just deinstall few packages |
| 16:15.55 | FiendishFish | octo_, I'm 15. I can't really afford it and if I've overwrote it enough, people seem to think it's efficient. |
| 16:15.56 | abrotman | Bronsky: apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 16:15.57 | segfault- | /end of debate |
| 16:16.03 | \amethyst | FiendishFish: oh, then you can cry and say you're scarred for life and whoever sent it to you will get an enhancement to their sentence :) |
| 16:16.08 | Bronsky | abrotman, yes i do that |
| 16:16.12 | abrotman | Bronsky: and? |
| 16:16.12 | FiendishFish | Rofl. |
| 16:16.15 | Bronsky | then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:16.19 | abrotman | Bronsky: or ... /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 16:16.24 | FiendishFish | pumpkin0, Instant messaging. |
| 16:16.26 | Bronsky | but system just desinstall packages |
| 16:16.33 | Bronsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.35 | octo_ | FiendishFish, ok :) |
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| 16:16.41 | FiendishFish | So I don't know how it stands with files? IT's a direct connection? |
| 16:16.45 | segfault- | FiendishFish, sci-fi if forensics can find anything after filling a dozen time your hard drive with zeros and ones. |
| 16:16.47 | pumpkin0 | FiendishFish: ok, no server-side copy. |
| 16:16.54 | jelly-home | Xenguy: info coreutils shred |
| 16:16.54 | octo_ | FiendishFish, how did it get sent to you anyway? |
| 16:16.54 | FiendishFish | :) |
| 16:16.59 | FiendishFish | Instant messaging. |
| 16:17.01 | octo_ | FiendishFish, you are in debian ? |
| 16:17.04 | arturaz | ok. i'm installing -686 and rebooting. Any tips how to avoid total loss of the server if something goes wrong? like to make grub only boot THAT kernel one time and if i do hard reboot on server it would boot the old one? |
| 16:17.10 | FiendishFish | "in debian"? |
| 16:17.14 | asg | FiendishFish: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/shred-tip-securely-remove-multiple-files-so-no-one-can-recover-file-again.html (number of tips there to fit the bill) |
| 16:17.18 | abrotman | arturaz: is it remote ? |
| 16:17.21 | arturaz | yes |
| 16:17.23 | jim | why did it get sent to you? |
| 16:17.25 | abrotman | arturaz: pray? |
| 16:17.28 | FiendishFish | What do you mean by that octo_ ? |
| 16:17.28 | segfault- | FiendishFish, kid, rule one on internet : NEVER EVER trust anyone |
| 16:17.30 | Nyle | see |
| 16:17.31 | Xenguy | jelly-home: OK. BTW do you prefer 'shred' to 'wipe', and if so, why? |
| 16:17.33 | arturaz | abrotman, not a believer |
| 16:17.34 | FiendishFish | segfault-, I know. |
| 16:17.37 | Nyle | this shit is going to continue for a while |
| 16:17.43 | FiendishFish | i was nieve. |
| 16:17.43 | FiendishFish | :< |
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| 16:17.51 | Nyle | every 10 min someone is going to get curious and ask him again.. what happened, how di dyo guet it |
| 16:17.56 | Nyle | just delete it and ge over it alrady |
| 16:17.56 | segfault- | rule 2 : when you use anything that allow to chat, check the file transfer settings |
| 16:17.56 | Nyle | ffs |
| 16:18.00 | segfault- | and remove the auto accept |
| 16:18.03 | abrotman | arturaz: ideally nothing should go wrong .. just keep the old -486 installed .. and the colo number handy |
| 16:18.03 | segfault- | that's all. |
| 16:18.15 | arturaz | abrotman, colo number? |
| 16:18.23 | abrotman | arturaz: it's not a colo server? |
| 16:18.24 | wols_ | arturaz: people who remotely admin hosts need a deity. it doesn't matter which but a deity is needed or you can't sacrifice the goats to it |
| 16:18.26 | jelly-home | Xenguy: I don't. shred has a nicer name |
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| 16:18.37 | kie27 | last time i posted here i got help with getting my new lappy to recognise a flash drive for installing linux. after it eventually recognised it, the installation was painless, and i can confirm the the sony g2 runs debian stable without problems (apart from going into sleep state). thanks for all the help. |
| 16:18.41 | segfault- | wols_, i've got a deity |
| 16:18.52 | octo_ | FiendishFish, I was just wondering what operating sys you are using |
| 16:18.52 | jelly-home | !win kie27 |
| 16:18.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, kie27! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:18.58 | segfault- | i sacrifice 2 kilograms of caffeine to it every week |
| 16:19.05 | FiendishFish | octo_, Linux, Distribution: Debian |
| 16:19.11 | FiendishFish | Etch. |
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| 16:19.48 | FiendishFish | So a technical question regarding mounting here: If fstab mounts your hdd as data:ordered by default, it's not journaling right? |
| 16:19.50 | octo_ | FiendishFish, youjsut have me a little freaked out on how something like that can get on your sys. Did it just appear? |
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| 16:20.06 | FiendishFish | octo_, I've went over this. |
| 16:20.07 | FiendishFish | >_> |
| 16:20.14 | segfault- | kie27, hey i made a misstake too, i installed debian on a palm m500, i can feel your pain. |
| 16:20.19 | abrotman | octo_: read your backlog .. don't make him explain again |
| 16:20.19 | Xenguy | jelly-home: I see the comments you are referring to in 'info coreutils shred'. Do you know offhand if debians default ext3 configuration would match the warnings mentioned in that passage, or not? |
| 16:20.23 | FiendishFish | octo_, <FiendishFish> Instant messaging. |
| 16:20.31 | octo_ | FiendishFish, ok, i guess i jumped in late |
| 16:20.34 | FiendishFish | :) |
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| 16:20.35 | segfault- | octo_, FiendishFish stop. |
| 16:20.48 | segfault- | let's start another ubuntu troll instead |
| 16:20.51 | Xenguy | jelly-home: It looks like it depends on how the journalling is configured? |
| 16:20.55 | Nyle | DEBIAN SUCKS! |
| 16:20.59 | Nyle | vista is better. |
| 16:21.01 | FiendishFish | >_> |
| 16:21.07 | Nyle | no?.. anyone? |
| 16:21.08 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 16:21.08 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 16:21.08 | segfault- | Nyle, roflcopter |
| 16:21.12 | Nyle | eh.. /me sits back donw |
| 16:21.13 | megasquid | i just got a hosted dedicated with a raid config, how would i verify that the disks are indeed raid 10? |
| 16:21.32 | abrotman | software or hardware ? |
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| 16:21.49 | did | Is there a chat package that I can 'apt-get install' that is easier to use than irssi? I'm just not figuring out how to connect in here with irssi. |
| 16:22.01 | Nyle | abrotman: #irssi |
| 16:22.03 | abrotman | did: in CLI ? |
| 16:22.04 | Nyle | oh fuck me runnin |
| 16:22.06 | pumpkin0 | did: try xchat. |
| 16:22.08 | segfault- | did, BitchX |
| 16:22.15 | Nyle | did: #irssi is great I can help you get started |
| 16:22.15 | segfault- | in console |
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| 16:22.22 | abrotman | did: start irssi .. /server irc.freenode.net ... /join #<channel> |
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| 16:22.28 | abrotman | !irssi |
| 16:22.28 | dpkg | methinks irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 16:22.30 | Nyle | Xenguy: /me joins you |
| 16:22.30 | abrotman | bah .. wtf |
| 16:22.34 | megasquid | abrotman, its a raid card so i'm guessing thats hardware? |
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| 16:22.43 | abrotman | http://irssi.org/documentation |
| 16:22.53 | wols_ | Xenguy: you should be stabbed when you have bx around so you can stab it |
| 16:22.57 | jelly-home | Xenguy: from what man mount says about data= options for ext3, it would seem that the default data=ordered is shred-safe |
| 16:22.58 | segfault- | as long it's not mirc or kvirc, any irc client is fine. |
| 16:22.59 | abrotman | megasquid: if the card has monitoring tools for linux .. then yes .. otherwise no |
| 16:23.03 | Xenguy | did: just learn irssi, you'll be glad you did :-) |
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| 16:23.19 | Nyle | man |
| 16:23.22 | did | nyle: I'm happy to keep trying as long as I don't have to keep trying to follow the instructions at irssi.org ... they're not working for me |
| 16:23.25 | Nyle | you know how great irssi is |
| 16:23.27 | jelly-home | Xenguy: however I have not verified this in any way. :-) |
| 16:23.35 | Nyle | did: they worked for me |
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| 16:23.41 | Xenguy | jelly-home: OK, thanks for the feedback |
| 16:23.42 | FiendishFish | So a technical question regarding mounting here: If fstab mounts your hdd as data:ordered by default, it's not journaling right, and when does it enable journaling? |
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| 16:23.51 | megasquid | abrotman, if it has monitoring tools its considered hardware raid, or i can very the config? |
| 16:23.51 | Nyle | shit I've only been in #irssi asking forhelp once on statusbar |
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| 16:23.55 | Nyle | I only read docs mostly |
| 16:23.57 | abrotman | FiendishFish: why isn't it journaling ? |
| 16:23.59 | Nyle | 11:21 mp3 /exec - -o echo "`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player title`" |
| 16:24.06 | Nyle | oops, goddamn middle click |
| 16:24.14 | FiendishFish | abrotman, I mean data=journal mode. |
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| 16:24.15 | abrotman | megasquid: you can verify the config |
| 16:24.16 | Nyle | thats in #music |
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| 16:24.25 | FiendishFish | Default it's data=ordered right? SO when does it set itself as journal? |
| 16:24.26 | did | nyle: I guess I too much of an ignorant noob. I've been trying to follow them and I don't have a clue what I have done or what to do next |
| 16:24.39 | Nyle | did: its ok, just take it easy |
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| 16:24.42 | segfault- | did, syntax : irssi <server.address.tld> to start |
| 16:24.43 | asg | FiendishFish: if you change it |
| 16:24.49 | FiendishFish | asg, otherwise never? |
| 16:24.52 | megasquid | abrotman, ok - can you point me int he right directions for how i'd go about finding that out? |
| 16:24.54 | asg | FiendishFish: man tune2fs |
| 16:24.55 | donald_ | bye kids. gonna reboot to test some script edits |
| 16:24.58 | segfault- | did, then inside the client : /join #debian |
| 16:25.02 | Nyle | segfault-: start irssi and type /server irc.freenode.net |
| 16:25.05 | abrotman | megasquid: can you point me to your card model ? :) |
| 16:25.09 | Nyle | segfault-: once connected use /join #debian |
| 16:25.12 | Nyle | oops segfault- |
| 16:25.17 | Nyle | did: * |
| 16:25.29 | segfault- | Nyle, think he get it now :p |
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| 16:25.47 | Nyle | hey wanna see my irssi theme? |
| 16:26.11 | segfault- | go ahead.. |
| 16:26.11 | megasquid | abrotman, :) guess i gotta get that from the host - so there's no way to verify the config wihtout it? |
| 16:26.18 | abrotman | megasquid: lspci |
| 16:26.29 | segfault- | megasquid, asking the hardware installator ? :) |
| 16:26.38 | segfault- | oups |
| 16:26.40 | segfault- | lspci too |
| 16:27.10 | abrotman | megasquid: when using hwraid .. the OS basically just sees a drive .. you need the tools to look at the controller firmware to see the config |
| 16:27.16 | Nyle | segfault-: ok uploading screenshot now |
| 16:27.29 | did | segfault: I closed the terminal and opened another. I typed in a terminal command 'irssi freenode' |
| 16:27.29 | Nyle | my internet is slow as balls |
| 16:27.29 | segfault- | 'kay |
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| 16:27.34 | megasquid | abrotman, i see |
| 16:27.44 | Nyle | segfault-: you use irssi right/ |
| 16:27.45 | Nyle | ? |
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| 16:27.54 | segfault- | Nyle, i can feel the pain, got a big con at home and a crap one on offices |
| 16:28.00 | arturaz | guess what |
| 16:28.02 | Nyle | con? |
| 16:28.08 | segfault- | Nyle, at offices i use bx & irssi, depend when |
| 16:28.09 | did | segfault: it's telling me 'connecting to irc.kpnqwest.fi' |
| 16:28.10 | segfault- | connection. |
| 16:28.13 | bolt | how can I switch from OSS to ALSA after installing ALSA with the one-liner from dpkg? |
| 16:28.16 | Nyle | an |
| 16:28.17 | Nyle | conn. |
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| 16:28.33 | segfault- | i'm keyboard polio today.. |
| 16:28.35 | did | segfault: nothing else is happening |
| 16:28.36 | Nyle | http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?b5e610bcd9.jpg |
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| 16:28.39 | Nyle | check it out |
| 16:28.39 | megasquid | abrotman, looks like lspci isn't installed, can i get it from an apt-get package? |
| 16:28.45 | abrotman | pciutils |
| 16:28.49 | nightelf_omfg | eth01, hry :) |
| 16:28.49 | nightelf_omfg | hey* |
| 16:28.51 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 16:28.51 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 16:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 807] by debhelper |
| 16:29.04 | segfault- | did, tried /server command with another server ? like irc.gnu.org ? |
| 16:29.25 | Nyle | for multiserver use /connect not /server |
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| 16:29.37 | cahoot | bolt: what does speaker-test run in a term report? |
| 16:29.41 | segfault- | megasquid, are you root ? |
| 16:29.45 | Nyle | i took off the red bar at the bottom from my irssi theme |
| 16:29.47 | nightelf_omfg | wtf |
| 16:29.51 | megasquid | segfault-, yeah |
| 16:29.53 | segfault- | (lspci should be installed by default o_0) |
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| 16:29.57 | Nyle | segfault-: did you see it? |
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| 16:30.07 | bolt | cahoot: lots of playback errors saying "no such device" |
| 16:30.14 | did | segfault: the command '/server irc.gnu.org' seemed to have worked. |
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| 16:30.26 | segfault- | Nyle, loading the page |
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| 16:30.39 | abrotman | !tell root___ about root? |
| 16:30.41 | abrotman | whoops |
| 16:30.41 | cahoot | bolt: ok so you probably have to unload any oss modules first - then restart alsa |
| 16:30.51 | segfault- | Nyle, yep nice one :D |
| 16:30.53 | Nyle | segfault-: also I have a very simple desktop |
| 16:31.01 | segfault- | Nyle, fluxbox ftw |
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| 16:31.03 | Nyle | segfault-: thanks, people said it was ugly cuz of the red bar |
| 16:31.05 | Nyle | so i took i tout |
| 16:31.07 | abrotman | segfault-: it's a Standard package .. not required |
| 16:31.13 | Nyle | segfault-: I make kde behave like boxwm |
| 16:31.16 | did | segfault: then I entered '/join #debian' and I'm in with a bunch of other debian junkies ... good sign... thanks |
| 16:31.16 | octo_ | is there a way to open something a root from command in grub like in kde you can use "kdesu kate" for example |
| 16:31.21 | bolt | cahoot: and then blacklist oss and put alsa in /etc/modules ? |
| 16:31.23 | segfault- | abrotman, usually installed everytime i got a box installed :/ |
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| 16:31.32 | Nyle | right click on desktop for application menu, left click for windowlist(taskswitch) menu |
| 16:31.42 | segfault- | Nyle, i do like fluxbox |
| 16:31.46 | Nyle | but I love kde man, can't be bothered with little wms |
| 16:31.48 | segfault- | don't like those elephants |
| 16:31.53 | tralala | abrotman, nah, it wasn't me |
| 16:31.54 | segfault- | maybe enlightement |
| 16:31.57 | Nyle | I don't have a 3.5ghz core 2 and 4gb ram so i can run fluxbox |
| 16:32.02 | cahoot | bolt: if you have alsa-utils installed I don't think you need put any alsa modules anywhere |
| 16:32.02 | FiendishFish | I messed up my /home/fiendishfish/.local/share/Trash when wiping it before, and whenever I try delete a file it says "Could not write to file /home/fiendishfish/.local/share/Trash/info/l1.png.trashinfo." |
| 16:32.06 | Nyle | c'mon now, kde aint bloatware like taht |
| 16:32.14 | segfault- | Nyle, i just do not like them |
| 16:32.17 | did | segfault: I don't know what my nick is in that channel. How do I find out and how would I change it? |
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| 16:32.23 | abrotman | segfault-: because you probably leave the "Standard" bit in tasksel and let it get installed |
| 16:32.24 | segfault- | Nyle, i liked the feel & look of the old kde |
| 16:32.29 | Nyle | did: /nick something |
| 16:32.33 | abrotman | tralala: must have been troubled |
| 16:32.42 | megasquid | abrotman, LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID (rev 02) |
| 16:32.43 | Nyle | segfault-: I like how you can easily configure it |
| 16:32.55 | bolt | no wm beats ratpoison. flame me. |
| 16:32.57 | Nyle | segfault-: i love the of MY kde |
| 16:32.59 | octo_ | i dont actually have to open a terminal and su and then run gedit every time do i ? |
| 16:33.02 | Nyle | the look |
| 16:33.02 | abrotman | megasquid: skip over to the LSI site .. see if they have a .tar.gz for their tools |
| 16:33.07 | segfault- | did, should be your shell user name |
| 16:33.14 | megasquid | abrotman, k thanks |
| 16:33.17 | tralala | abrotman, sounds close enough :) |
| 16:33.19 | segfault- | abrotman, prolly |
| 16:33.24 | abrotman | tralala: my memory is faulty :) |
| 16:33.47 | wols_ | abrotman: run memtest! |
| 16:33.55 | tralala | hehe |
| 16:33.57 | segfault- | Nyle, i mean, really the old kde |
| 16:34.01 | Nyle | 2.x? |
| 16:34.05 | segfault- | Nyle, like 1.x |
| 16:34.17 | Nyle | yeh... kde 3 comes with the themes |
| 16:34.25 | abrotman | wols_: probably wouldnt' even get through a single pass |
| 16:34.26 | Nyle | make it look like w/etf you want |
| 16:35.01 | segfault- | Nyle, bleh, the only themed ones wm i can tolerate are enlightenment & xfce |
| 16:35.14 | Nyle | enlightenment i give ya |
| 16:35.16 | wols_ | we already know your hardware is faulty. but we hoped you'd take the test and then replace it. our hope springs eternal |
| 16:35.18 | Nyle | xfce can kiss my nuts |
| 16:35.19 | segfault- | but i'm usually on fluxbox/blackbox |
| 16:35.26 | Nyle | so can anything gtk2/gnome |
| 16:35.35 | segfault- | rofl |
| 16:35.36 | Nyle | flux is the shizboo, I can't disagree there |
| 16:35.46 | did | segfault: apparantly, I don't have a /nick or a shell username. I tried to type something in and there's no name between the < > brackets and my message doesn't come in here. |
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| 16:35.48 | segfault- | it's sexy also :D |
| 16:35.55 | segfault- | did o_0 |
| 16:35.56 | Nyle | I like humans... |
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| 16:36.08 | abrotman | did: it may not have finished connecting yet |
| 16:36.13 | segfault- | did, pastebin your screen |
| 16:36.31 | did | segfault: how do I do that? |
| 16:36.46 | segfault- | did, select the text in your console |
| 16:36.55 | segfault- | did, find a pastebin board somewhere |
| 16:36.57 | segfault- | and send the link |
| 16:37.04 | Nyle | screen -U irssi + wierd char theme + nicklist.pl (which seems useless) |
| 16:37.15 | Nyle | i use nickcolor.pl instead |
| 16:37.19 | Nyle | what am I even talking about? |
| 16:37.30 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
| 16:37.43 | segfault- | (a pastebin is a collaborative tool that you can use to share text) |
| 16:37.50 | Sazpaimon | im looking for a bittorent tracker software that doesnt use any interface or database at all |
| 16:38.01 | Sazpaimon | i plan to be the only one that can upload to it |
| 16:38.03 | Nyle | azeurus |
| 16:38.06 | Nyle | I think |
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| 16:38.07 | Sazpaimon | but anyone can download it |
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| 16:38.19 | Sazpaimon | oh god not azeurus |
| 16:38.24 | Sazpaimon | i was about to say lightweight |
| 16:38.25 | Nyle | then I don't know |
| 16:38.25 | did | segfault: 1) how much of my console should I copy? 2) How do I find a pastbin board somewhere? ... Like I said, I'm an ignorant noob :-) |
| 16:38.41 | Nyle | !pastebin-cli |
| 16:38.46 | Nyle | anyone |
| 16:38.52 | segfault- | did, 3-4 lines or so |
| 16:38.54 | asdf | HI ALL |
| 16:38.57 | segfault- | did, http://www.pastebin.biz/ |
| 16:39.02 | segfault- | a one a friend did |
| 16:39.05 | Nyle | did: first if you work in console, install gpm |
| 16:39.08 | segfault- | (with symfony) |
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| 16:39.29 | asdf | NOOBS |
| 16:39.30 | Nyle | 2nd, I also don't know how to pastebin a full irssi screen |
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| 16:39.44 | arturaz | abrotman, seems that server didn't boot afterall :( |
| 16:39.52 | abrotman | arturaz: oh come on |
| 16:40.16 | arturaz | abrotman, hm? |
| 16:40.24 | rdz | hi all. how can i have a terminal talk to a serial device? |
| 16:40.27 | abrotman | arturaz: it really didn't come back ? |
| 16:40.32 | arturaz | abrotman, yeah :| |
| 16:40.33 | abrotman | rdz: minicom |
| 16:40.39 | rdz | abrotman, thank oyu a lot |
| 16:40.43 | segfault- | did, anyway if you are too newbiish, i'd consider installing xchat |
| 16:40.47 | abrotman | arturaz: that's just silly |
| 16:40.49 | segfault- | you will save your ass alot of time |
| 16:40.58 | did | segfault: When I hilight something (in order to copy it) it doesn't stay highlighted for me to copy it. |
| 16:41.02 | Nyle | good idea |
| 16:41.09 | Nyle | but he said he in console |
| 16:41.10 | arturaz | abrotman, does mobile sempron and sempron differ? |
| 16:41.11 | Nyle | not X |
| 16:41.22 | abrotman | arturaz: they should both work with -686 or -k7 AFAIK |
| 16:41.27 | segfault- | did, ahhh you're in pure console mode ? |
| 16:41.37 | Hoxzer | if I have a source package which has debian directory can I somehow see ./configure options that will be using when creating .deb package ? |
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| 16:41.51 | Nyle | Hoxzer: yes |
| 16:41.59 | arturaz | well, i installed -686 and it just didn't come up :| it doesn't respond to pings :( |
| 16:42.02 | segfault- | Hoxzer, dpkg-buildpackage is also the tool |
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| 16:42.17 | segfault- | arturaz, wich family the processor use ? |
| 16:42.26 | Nyle | Hoxzer: you HAVE read the new maintainer guide, and the package basics guide? |
| 16:42.32 | did | segfault: apparantly, how do I get it out of "pure console mode"? |
| 16:42.38 | arturaz | segfault-, it was a mobile amd sempron 3100+ AFAIK |
| 16:42.40 | Nyle | Hoxzer: are you familiar with that documentation? |
| 16:42.44 | segfault- | did, i mean, are you in kde or what ? |
| 16:42.54 | segfault- | (or gnome or whatever) |
| 16:42.57 | Nyle | !package basics |
| 16:42.57 | dpkg | package basics is probably The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 16:43.23 | segfault- | arturaz, should be 686 o_0 |
| 16:43.33 | did | segfault: my machine is a default debian O/S load. I don't think that includes any kde anything, does it? |
| 16:43.44 | Nyle | did: you can easily get it! |
| 16:43.46 | segfault- | arturaz, got anything in dmesg ? |
| 16:43.58 | arturaz | segfault-, i can't look, because it's remote :| |
| 16:44.16 | segfault- | did, by default : no, but you can use tasksel to install a basic system |
| 16:44.16 | Nyle | did: aptitude install x-window-system-core kde-core |
| 16:44.23 | Nyle | segfault-: dude.. NO |
| 16:44.27 | segfault- | arturaz, not even a busybox ??? |
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| 16:44.29 | Nyle | bad segfault- |
| 16:44.32 | Nyle | thats a bad segfault- |
| 16:44.38 | Nyle | say no to tasksel |
| 16:44.45 | segfault- | Nyle, =) |
| 16:44.50 | segfault- | bas-config then :D |
| 16:44.52 | arturaz | segfault-, how i should access that? :| |
| 16:44.53 | segfault- | base* |
| 16:44.58 | Nyle | no, why? |
| 16:45.15 | did | segfault and Nyle: Am I to understand that you recommend that I should have KDE? |
| 16:45.25 | Nyle | did: I do, I dunno about anyone else |
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| 16:45.34 | Nyle | did: I could give you many reasona for/against |
| 16:45.41 | Nyle | but the only way to find out is to use em all |
| 16:45.41 | segfault- | arturaz, depend on the network setup |
| 16:45.43 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 16:45.43 | dpkg | it has been said that xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 16:45.48 | Nyle | did: ^^ |
| 16:45.54 | segfault- | i always plugs subservers with a serial concentrator |
| 16:45.57 | did | Nyle: the machine is old with very limited resources |
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| 16:46.07 | Nyle | did: then you definitely do NOT want kde |
| 16:46.08 | Nyle | or gnome |
| 16:46.15 | segfault- | hmmmm |
| 16:46.15 | Nyle | please see the website I told you just now |
| 16:46.23 | Nyle | did: how much ram do you have? |
| 16:46.26 | did | Nyle: that was my understanding |
| 16:46.30 | segfault- | checking if there is a way to boot on busybox |
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| 16:46.40 | segfault- | without a serial conn. |
| 16:46.42 | Nyle | did: you are not that bad of a noob |
| 16:47.06 | did | Nyle 10G HD, less than 512 RAM, (whatever the one between 256 and 512 is :-) |
| 16:47.12 | segfault- | did, fluxbox will fill perfectly your case |
| 16:47.13 | RaymondX | did: fluxbox is one of the lightest window managers |
| 16:47.14 | Nyle | 384? |
| 16:47.18 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 16:47.20 | segfault- | it's light, fun, sexy |
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| 16:47.46 | segfault- | arturaz, and you can't boot at all ? |
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| 16:47.56 | did | segfault: should I 'apt-get install fluxbox' ... is that a different chat program? |
| 16:48.14 | leonardo | hi, i tried to uninstall evolution email client, but if i select this the other files of evolution are not marked automatically |
| 16:48.19 | leonardo | why |
| 16:48.21 | segfault- | did, yep |
| 16:48.24 | arturaz | segfault-, it seems so, the machine doesn't respond to ssh or ping |
| 16:48.28 | Nyle | did: I suggest you go to http://xwinman.org and look around.. I suggest fluxbox, openbox, blackbox, windowmaker, twm, pekwm etc. the lightweight kind |
| 16:48.30 | did | segfault: thx much |
| 16:48.32 | leonardo | do i need to select is manual |
| 16:48.33 | segfault- | arturaz, :( |
| 16:48.48 | segfault- | arturaz, probably frozen in a kernel panic |
| 16:48.51 | Nyle | leonardo: learn to use aptitude |
| 16:49.09 | segfault- | leonardo, aptitude remove --purge <package> |
| 16:49.11 | DawnLight | does anyone know who sordid is? |
| 16:49.18 | Nyle | leonardo: for this problem I think aptitude install deborphan && aptitude remove `deborphan` |
| 16:49.34 | Nyle | apt-get --purge remove deborphan w/e |
| 16:49.39 | arturaz | fuck fuck fuck |
| 16:49.41 | DawnLight | this channel is splendid |
| 16:49.42 | Nyle | Xenguy: heh |
| 16:49.46 | segfault- | arturaz, +1 |
| 16:49.57 | DawnLight | i don't regret what i did... |
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| 16:50.18 | DawnLight | i don't like dido's music |
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| 16:50.18 | segfault- | ROFL |
| 16:50.22 | segfault- | irc client foremacs |
| 16:50.36 | Nyle | I am listening to 311 - Transistor - Beautiful Disaster |
| 16:50.44 | Nyle | oh man.. thats oldschool shit |
| 16:50.46 | abrotman | no one cares |
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| 16:51.02 | PaulTT | Hi all, could someone please point me to a HOWTO for installing debian remotely on a machine with RHEL. I've done this long ago with woody, but I'd like to do the same with etch and have had some difficulty finding an appropriate howto. |
| 16:51.03 | Nyle | back from the mid 90s |
| 16:51.09 | Nyle | thats when I got on linux |
| 16:51.48 | Nyle | for emacs? |
| 16:51.53 | Nyle | c'mon man ofcourse. |
| 16:51.57 | Nyle | emacs is the shiz nit |
| 16:51.59 | RaymondX | I'm looking for an "htop" program that runs directly off X, is there one in debian? |
| 16:52.02 | asg | PaulTT: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 16:52.41 | leonardo | Nyle: why on package manager do not uninstall the other files |
| 16:52.46 | leonardo | like aptitude |
| 16:52.52 | arturaz | segfault-, fuck, it seems i have used /etc/fstab from old server and forgot to change it.. i wonder how to fix that now :| |
| 16:52.54 | Xenguy | I seriously wonder sometimes if people's brains are just hardwired for either vim or emacs, but not both... |
| 16:53.08 | segfault- | arturaz, boot into single user mode |
| 16:53.10 | Nyle | leonardo: because aptitude is better |
| 16:53.12 | segfault- | edit fstab |
| 16:53.12 | Xenguy | Does anyone know anyone who uses both vim and emacs, regularly? |
| 16:53.14 | segfault- | reboot |
| 16:53.19 | Nyle | !tell leonardo -about why aptitude |
| 16:53.23 | arturaz | segfault-, yeah, ONLY if had local access |
| 16:53.37 | Nyle | Xenguy: I do... NOT! hehe |
| 16:53.38 | segfault- | arturaz, that's going to be call to support |
| 16:53.48 | leonardo | -about why aptitude |
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| 16:54.08 | segfault- | leonardo, maybe because you did not specify it |
| 16:54.18 | Xenguy | Nyle: I decided awhile back that I wanted to learn both, but my brain exploded when I tried emacs ;-) Oh well |
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| 16:54.29 | segfault- | leonardo, it's a PEBKAC |
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| 16:54.31 | Nyle | hmm |
| 16:54.34 | Nyle | brain explosion |
| 16:54.41 | Xenguy | messy |
| 16:54.44 | Nyle | I saw some of that in dawn of the dead |
| 16:54.48 | leonardo | so instead of apt-get on terminal i should use aptitude |
| 16:54.55 | leonardo | when installing |
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| 16:55.01 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:55.08 | Nyle | start using aptitude now and always use it |
| 16:55.13 | Xenguy | leonardo: that's what people keep telling me, but I ignore them cos I'm oldschool ;-) |
| 16:55.16 | segfault- | apt-get will go deprecated one day or another |
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| 16:55.27 | Nyle | segfault-: so will you |
| 16:55.27 | leonardo | thanks nyle |
| 16:55.30 | Nyle | ahhhhh burn! |
| 16:55.32 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:55.35 | segfault- | Nyle, :p |
| 16:55.35 | abrotman | segfault-: not likely .. it does things aptitude can't |
| 16:55.37 | abrotman | or doesn't |
| 16:55.51 | dsf | !help |
| 16:55.59 | Nyle | !tell dsk -about ask |
| 16:56.00 | segfault- | abrotman, like deselect, deprecated doesn't mean not removed :p |
| 16:56.09 | segfault- | doesn't mean removed* |
| 16:56.15 | segfault- | ffs stupid fingers.. |
| 16:56.29 | Nyle | sure, blame the fingers |
| 16:56.37 | segfault- | yeah |
| 16:56.38 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:56.39 | koolhead17 | segfault-: |
| 16:56.42 | GarryFre | Vim + Emac = Brain overload. |
| 16:56.45 | segfault- | that the coffee the vodka and the girls |
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| 16:56.59 | Nyle | alcohol sucks |
| 16:57.10 | segfault- | life too |
| 16:57.22 | Nyle | coffee and women are great. |
| 16:57.26 | Nyle | life too |
| 16:57.32 | octo_ | ok, so, i installed the nvidia kerel modules, but when i ran xserver-xorg, i didint have an option for nvidia for a driver ? |
| 16:57.46 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:57.46 | dpkg | hmm... ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:57.47 | Nyle | octo_: modprobe nvidia |
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| 16:57.55 | Nyle | octo_: do it as sudo/root |
| 16:58.06 | Nyle | octo_: then /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:58.10 | GarryFre | More than likely it's just when you are feeling the best about yourself, that your zipper is down. - Tom Vizzinni |
| 16:58.21 | Xenguy | GarryFre: yeah, my brain supports vim easily, but not emacs |
| 16:58.25 | leonardo | why we don't have aptitude graphical |
| 16:58.30 | Nyle | leonardo: we do! |
| 16:58.35 | octo_ | Nyle, thanks, i forgot about that part lol |
| 16:58.36 | Nyle | well.. ncurses gui |
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| 16:58.41 | segfault- | leonardo, it's called synaptic |
| 16:58.44 | Nyle | leonardo: type aptitude in command line by itself |
| 16:58.53 | wols_ | leonardo: we do. we acl it synaptic |
| 16:58.56 | Nyle | leonardo: :) you get a nice menu/dialog driven ncurses interface |
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| 16:59.03 | leonardo | yes, but that doesn't remove like the graphical |
| 16:59.09 | Xenguy | segfault-: but I think synaptic is a front-end for apt-get (i.e. not aptitude) ? |
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| 16:59.21 | Nyle | leonardo: if you learn how ot use it |
| 16:59.22 | wols_ | Xenguy: no |
| 16:59.27 | Nyle | it will do w/e the fuck you want it to |
| 16:59.32 | Nyle | it could even have your kids if you wanted |
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| 16:59.35 | Nyle | just give it a shot |
| 16:59.37 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 16:59.38 | Xenguy | wols_: synaptic is a front-end for aptitude? |
| 16:59.42 | wols_ | Xenguy: no |
| 16:59.48 | segfault- | Xenguy, aptitude show synaptic. |
| 16:59.55 | kie27 | any recommendations for webcams? there are many in the markets in HK priced at about US$10 but none of the vendors know which ones are supported under linux (so they just say linux, no sorry). |
| 16:59.55 | leonardo | i typed aptitude on terminal |
| 17:00.08 | Nyle | leonardo: congrats |
| 17:00.09 | Nyle | hehe |
| 17:00.09 | segfault- | it will tell you what it is :p |
| 17:00.10 | Xenguy | wols_: you don't say much :-) |
| 17:00.14 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.21 | Nyle | stop |
| 17:00.22 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.24 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.26 | Nyle | here we go |
| 17:00.27 | segfault- | !kick dsf ? |
| 17:00.28 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.28 | wols_ | kie27: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ |
| 17:00.29 | leonardo | a no graphical program |
| 17:00.30 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.32 | jelly-home | in the name of love |
| 17:00.32 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.33 | segfault- | :D |
| 17:00.34 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.38 | Nyle | another one is abou tto bite the dust |
| 17:00.38 | wols_ | !Ops please rmeove dsf |
| 17:00.38 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: please rmeove dsf |
| 17:00.40 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.42 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.42 | octo_ | man, what is up with unknown keypresses comming up all of the time at the console in ttyl? is it just me?. I was in VI editor and it kept over writing my screen so i couldnt see what i was doing lol |
| 17:00.44 | dsf | . |
| 17:00.48 | *** kick/#debian [dsf!i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] by tomaw (tomaw) |
| 17:00.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 17:00.49 | segfault- | !kick dsf ! |
| 17:00.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 17:00.53 | Xenguy | .oO(must be the cat) |
| 17:00.59 | segfault- | thank tom |
| 17:01.00 | peterS | thanks tomaw |
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| 17:01.02 | jetscreamer | !peters++ |
| 17:01.05 | tomaw | np |
| 17:01.06 | kie27 | wols_ thanks |
| 17:01.10 | segfault- | !love tomaw |
| 17:01.11 | Nyle | jetscreamer: why give him ++ |
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| 17:01.16 | segfault- | rofl |
| 17:01.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: doesn't that mean smartass? |
| 17:01.25 | jetscreamer | !karma peterS |
| 17:01.25 | dpkg | peters has karma of 29 |
| 17:01.25 | wols_ | balibalo: sucking up to ops: good :P |
| 17:01.30 | segfault- | i will always love bots |
| 17:01.32 | jetscreamer | no nyle, that^^ |
| 17:01.33 | wols_ | Nyle: ^^ |
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| 17:01.39 | Nyle | huh |
| 17:01.41 | Nyle | dudes |
| 17:01.46 | jetscreamer | !karma nyle |
| 17:01.46 | dpkg | nyle has karma of 2 |
| 17:01.53 | Nyle | last time y'all told me that if you do ++ it means someone was being a smartass |
| 17:01.59 | Nyle | like two three days ago you told me that |
| 17:02.06 | jetscreamer | wasnt me |
| 17:02.07 | segfault- | !karma |
| 17:02.07 | dpkg | segfault- has neutral karma |
| 17:02.09 | Xenguy | "Synaptic is a graphical package management tool based on GTK+ and APT." |
| 17:02.10 | jelly-home | Nyle: no, that was me being tongue-in-cheek |
| 17:02.16 | Nyle | oh |
| 17:02.18 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 17:02.19 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:02.23 | segfault- | Xenguy, then you have your answer :) |
| 17:02.43 | Xenguy | segfault-: yes, and I believe I was correct the first time :p |
| 17:02.44 | Nyle | jelly-home: did you see my gooey tr |
| 17:02.48 | Nyle | not jelly |
| 17:02.56 | Nyle | jetscreamer: did you see my guitar im sellin |
| 17:03.00 | segfault- | Xenguy, did not deny |
| 17:03.05 | balibalo | wols_: do you know the legend of THE balibalo ? |
| 17:03.16 | Xenguy | segfault-: yeah, not you, others |
| 17:03.16 | segfault- | balibalo, huhu |
| 17:03.17 | jetscreamer | no not yet.. i never told you about me and valentine's day did i |
| 17:03.17 | wols_ | balibalo: no. but do you know my legendary typos? |
| 17:03.28 | jetscreamer | i make money then too |
| 17:03.30 | Nyle | prolly no there isn't a good idea |
| 17:03.40 | segfault- | balibalo dans son berceau.. etc, on la connais va :) |
| 17:03.45 | jetscreamer | i'm a holiday slut! |
| 17:03.54 | Nyle | eh |
| 17:04.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer: http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d33c9b8905.jpg |
| 17:04.03 | Nyle | the white one |
| 17:04.07 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 17:04.07 | wols_ | balibalo: "four young men race aklong a road, totally drunk and have an accident killing someone"? |
| 17:04.09 | Nyle | '71 les paul |
| 17:04.15 | balibalo | wols_: no, I don t know your typis |
| 17:04.15 | Nyle | screamingbytes: hey there |
| 17:04.21 | segfault- | wols_, french subculture |
| 17:04.24 | wols_ | balibalo: now you do :) |
| 17:04.37 | screamingbytes | Nyle: howdy :) |
| 17:04.38 | kunsi | !webmin |
| 17:04.38 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 17:04.49 | Nyle | !selftell |
| 17:04.49 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 17:05.00 | segfault- | wols_, it's a bawdy song |
| 17:05.01 | jetscreamer | i just noticed... TABLE KNIVES DON'T FIT IN SOCKETS |
| 17:05.08 | Nyle | jetscreamer: goddamit go look at it |
| 17:05.12 | octo_ | how do i restart again, /etc/init.d gdm restart ? |
| 17:05.18 | jetscreamer | nyle.. it's uploading atm.. ok down |
| 17:05.28 | jetscreamer | still going |
| 17:05.33 | et | jetscreamer: if you push hard enough, they do |
| 17:05.37 | jetscreamer | (bandwidth is saturated here atm) |
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| 17:05.44 | Nyle | np |
| 17:05.46 | aMoRPHeouS | Hi. Can someone help me fix sound in Debian. It used to work under Fedora using model=acer option, but that's not the case under Debian |
| 17:05.54 | GarryFre | Strangely other day I could not recieve tells from the bot, but could from others. |
| 17:05.57 | Nyle | !sound |
| 17:05.57 | dpkg | methinks sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 17:05.57 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: depends on what kind of socket. They'll fit in a light bulb socket just fine |
| 17:06.08 | segfault- | aMoRPHeouS, hello |
| 17:06.10 | balibalo | segfault-: french subculture ? ma main dans ta gueule, crapaud |
| 17:06.11 | Nyle | aMoRPHeouS: ok whas goin on |
| 17:06.15 | segfault- | balibalo, :D |
| 17:06.18 | aMoRPHeouS | hi segfault- |
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| 17:06.35 | segfault- | aMoRPHeouS, is the module loaded ? |
| 17:06.38 | balibalo | ok segfault- |
| 17:06.42 | peterS | GarryFre: maybe at some point the bot was not identified to services? by default in freenode, you can't receive messages from people who aren't identified |
| 17:06.54 | peterS | GarryFre: this can be changed with a usermode flag - +6, is it? |
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| 17:07.16 | GarryFre | !tell me about nvidia |
| 17:07.17 | aMoRPHeouS | Nyle: I used alsa under Fedora with an option for modprobe. The option was "model=acer". However, doing the same under Debian doesn't enable the sound |
| 17:07.20 | aMoRPHeouS | segfault-: ^ |
| 17:07.21 | GarryFre | works now.. |
| 17:07.23 | wols_ | aMoRPHeouS: hda-intel? |
| 17:07.27 | aMoRPHeouS | yes, it is loaded |
| 17:07.28 | aMoRPHeouS | wols_: yes |
| 17:07.30 | Nyle | aMoRPHeouS: alsaconf |
| 17:07.37 | Nyle | aMoRPHeouS: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 17:07.45 | aMoRPHeouS | ok |
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| 17:07.47 | wols_ | aMoRPHeouS: what alsa version under fedora, what alsa version under debian? |
| 17:07.57 | Nyle | aMoRPHeouS: tell us how that turns out after doing all that |
| 17:08.04 | Nyle | making sure to check things off |
| 17:08.07 | GarryFre | best help I ever got recently was when wols said to tell about nvidia_post_etch |
| 17:08.08 | wols_ | aMoRPHeouS: usually you need a newer alsa. that means newer kernel or newer alsa |
| 17:08.11 | aMoRPHeouS | wols_: 1.0.15 on both |
| 17:08.15 | wols_ | hda-intel is under heavy development |
| 17:08.20 | aMoRPHeouS | Nyle: ok, thanks |
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| 17:09.13 | Nyle | hda-inetel here |
| 17:09.15 | Nyle | intel* |
| 17:09.36 | wols_ | Nyle: hda-intel isn't created equal |
| 17:09.46 | wols_ | hda is such a shitty thing everyone can their own version |
| 17:09.52 | wols_ | see model=acer, model=hp and what not |
| 17:09.58 | bungnugget | wols_: i know |
| 17:10.00 | wols_ | fuck intel. with a broomstick |
| 17:10.02 | bungnugget | but I don't have them |
| 17:10.05 | bungnugget | :) |
| 17:10.22 | bungnugget | wols_: fuck intel? |
| 17:10.24 | bungnugget | man fuck you |
| 17:10.27 | bungnugget | intel is king baby |
| 17:10.35 | wols_ | they are fucking morons |
| 17:10.43 | bungnugget | ahhhhh boy *sigh* |
| 17:10.43 | jetscreamer | hail to the king, baby |
| 17:10.45 | GarryFre | Shall I have you arrested for cruelty to broomsticks? |
| 17:10.54 | bungnugget | GarryFre: aohhhh you didn't |
| 17:11.02 | jetscreamer | yeah intel is a moron, that's why they have so much market share |
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| 17:11.16 | GarryFre | Ahhh!! |
| 17:11.37 | jetscreamer | btw your pic is sideways |
| 17:11.41 | bungnugget | yeh inkow |
| 17:11.50 | bungnugget | I couldn't get it in the whole manaca |
| 17:11.51 | segfault- | bungnugget, could you replace fu** by using fsck or something less agressive ? |
| 17:11.55 | bungnugget | carame |
| 17:11.58 | bungnugget | camera*(fuck |
| 17:12.17 | bungnugget | segfault-: I never said fu** |
| 17:12.19 | bungnugget | I said fuck |
| 17:12.24 | bungnugget | and yes I suppose I could. |
| 17:12.31 | jetscreamer | youbroke the tuning key |
| 17:12.37 | bungnugget | segfault-: anything for you baby |
| 17:12.38 | jetscreamer | it doesn't say gibson on the head |
| 17:12.40 | bungnugget | jetscreamer: tone. |
| 17:12.45 | bungnugget | jetscreamer: of coure it doesn't |
| 17:12.52 | RaymondX | <<<trying to watch youtube with dillo |
| 17:12.53 | bungnugget | it was never meant for sale |
| 17:12.56 | segfault- | bungnugget, "<bungnugget> man fuck you" |
| 17:13.09 | segfault- | hmm k |
| 17:13.12 | bungnugget | segfault-: don't worry about it, thats between me an wols |
| 17:13.20 | jetscreamer | you notice nobody would complain if it was... |
| 17:13.29 | jetscreamer | <bungnugget> woman fuck you" |
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| 17:13.30 | segfault- | sure thing |
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| 17:13.43 | bungnugget | jetscreamer: #music yaar |
| 17:14.17 | bungnugget | oh man I have this sudden urge to start speaking punjabi |
| 17:14.49 | GarryFre | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.55 | segfault- | stoned, have.. fun |
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| 17:15.14 | jetscreamer | nyle, wtf is up with that door.. crapy paint job |
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| 17:15.26 | stoned | jetscreamer: its a 900$mo apt |
| 17:15.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: in queens no less |
| 17:15.31 | segfault- | bleh brb |
| 17:15.32 | stoned | wtf do you expect |
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| 17:15.46 | segfault- | gona get airsoft stuff ready, i play tommorrow |
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| 17:16.14 | jetscreamer | real men have bb gun wars, not paintball |
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| 17:16.32 | segfault- | jetscreamer, :d |
| 17:16.36 | Gnurdux | wouldnt that be very dangerous :P |
| 17:16.52 | jetscreamer | and painful :/ |
| 17:17.09 | Gnurdux | GarryFre, where did you buy the laser? |
| 17:17.09 | segfault- | Gnurdux, well, you got little red smacks on your skin from time to time :) |
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| 17:17.48 | segfault- | jetscreamer, you do airsoft? |
| 17:17.52 | GarryFre | Some kid was outside my apartment shooting humminbirds. I came down saw 17 dead humming birds. I rushed him emptied his gun on him, the police came and comfiscatd his gun. |
| 17:18.00 | GarryFre | Gnurdux Ebay |
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| 17:18.23 | Gnurdux | GarryFre: is it actually 150mW? |
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| 17:18.32 | segfault- | GarryFre, in france no kid is allowed to get a bb gun unless 18 |
| 17:18.51 | segfault- | the only ones they can get is lowered to 0.07 joules and are manual only |
| 17:19.01 | segfault- | we also refuse any minor on our games |
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| 17:19.06 | GarryFre | Gnurdux It's claimed to be. There are power meters one can get but I don't have one. It does pop baloons and cut electric tape |
| 17:19.09 | segfault- | (mostly) |
| 17:20.32 | GarryFre | segfault- Where I live now, you can't fire one within city limits. It's considered a firearm though its only air pressure. |
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| 17:21.12 | segfault- | GarryFre, same here |
| 17:21.36 | segfault- | since we do not have a federal regulation as usa (they mark it with orange inalienable paint) |
| 17:21.45 | GarryFre | Gnurdux I found it by searching burning laser or wicked laser or 150mw laser |
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| 17:22.22 | segfault- | btw the only stupid thing i did was to shoot my associate with it :P |
| 17:22.29 | stoned | uh |
| 17:22.37 | stoned | why? |
| 17:22.38 | segfault- | (he then bought one and he now play with me ^^) |
| 17:22.45 | stoned | oh nm |
| 17:22.51 | segfault- | he wanted to know how it feel |
| 17:22.56 | stoned | I glanced and saw the word firearm |
| 17:23.05 | segfault- | "on my back only" he said |
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| 17:23.14 | GarryFre | that reminds me of that hilarious video about why you should beware things made in October. |
| 17:23.16 | segfault- | (i went auto and ... :P) |
| 17:23.25 | stoned | or Trainspotting |
| 17:23.32 | segfault- | let's say he repayed me a revenge :D |
| 17:23.35 | stoned | this dude shot a bbgun at this little dog's asshole |
| 17:23.42 | stoned | and the dog jumped around going crazy |
| 17:23.46 | stoned | that was hilarious |
| 17:23.53 | segfault- | stoned, that is stupid :( |
| 17:24.00 | stoned | well I found it amusing |
| 17:24.03 | segfault- | knowing how much the pain can be |
| 17:24.05 | stoned | watch Trainspotting sometime |
| 17:24.06 | stoned | great movie |
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| 17:24.07 | segfault- | even at 10 meters |
| 17:24.30 | segfault- | and knowing animals don't deal conscienslously with pain.. |
| 17:24.34 | segfault- | it's stupid |
| 17:24.39 | GarryFre | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjN8opj7aM |
| 17:24.47 | jetscreamer | segfault-: no, there was no paintball back in the stoned ages |
| 17:24.59 | jetscreamer | 70's |
| 17:25.08 | segfault- | yep |
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| 17:25.12 | segfault- | but there was airsoft |
| 17:25.27 | segfault- | airsoft was born slightly after ww2 |
| 17:25.30 | theatro | hi Greek-Boy |
| 17:25.31 | segfault- | on japan |
| 17:25.42 | segfault- | (i let you wikipedia it for the full story) |
| 17:26.10 | segfault- | GarryFre, :D |
| 17:26.12 | abrotman | !ot |
| 17:26.12 | dpkg | hmm... ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 17:26.34 | huhlig | arrgh |
| 17:26.43 | huhlig | could someone help me get WPA working |
| 17:26.43 | segfault- | i've got a video of our last short play, you'll hear one guy.. he's hilarious, screaming like a girl :D |
| 17:26.44 | huhlig | please |
| 17:26.45 | segfault- | sec |
| 17:26.54 | segfault- | wpa ? |
| 17:26.58 | segfault- | wap ? |
| 17:27.04 | huhlig | no WPA |
| 17:27.08 | segfault- | ahhh |
| 17:27.10 | huhlig | Wireless Security |
| 17:27.12 | segfault- | wireless issue |
| 17:27.15 | huhlig | yea |
| 17:27.19 | huhlig | I know it works on windows |
| 17:27.29 | huhlig | I know the card works in linux without WPA |
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| 17:27.43 | huhlig | but this is driving me nuts |
| 17:27.47 | segfault- | card model please |
| 17:28.12 | jetscreamer | i had an acx1000 or so that did that |
| 17:28.16 | huhlig | intel Pro Wireless 3945ABG |
| 17:28.25 | jetscreamer | i used ndiswrapper to get the wpa |
| 17:28.43 | segfault- | crap |
| 17:28.45 | huhlig | why hasnt the WPA stuff been rolled into iwconfig anyhow |
| 17:28.47 | segfault- | it's an intel one |
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| 17:29.09 | huhlig | segfault-, is that bad? |
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| 17:29.30 | peppe | huhlig: because WPA configuration is much more compliated than WEP one |
| 17:29.42 | huhlig | peppe, I understand that |
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| 17:30.07 | huhlig | however, trying to help people convert to linux and still have security is a royal paint in the rump and deterrant to migration |
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| 17:30.49 | segfault- | huhlig, ok so |
| 17:30.53 | segfault- | i'll not be polite |
| 17:30.56 | huhlig | peppe, I would have thought control of that would have been integrated into the wireless tools a while back |
| 17:30.57 | segfault- | but fsck yourself |
| 17:31.01 | segfault- | wpa is not secure |
| 17:31.06 | segfault- | wep is not too |
| 17:31.07 | huhlig | segfault-, ok? |
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| 17:31.14 | segfault- | you've got to secure your box |
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| 17:31.16 | huhlig | neither is WPA2 |
| 17:31.19 | huhlig | no shit |
| 17:31.20 | segfault- | if you want it secure |
| 17:31.40 | huhlig | nothing is secure with enough time |
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| 17:31.58 | segfault- | have you tried to set it up with kwlan ? |
| 17:32.01 | huhlig | a sealed bsd box is unsecure given enough time |
| 17:32.16 | huhlig | kwlan? lemmie look, Ive tried several packages |
| 17:32.29 | simonrvn | unplug the cat5 and turn it off ;) |
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| 17:32.51 | huhlig | simonrvn, nah, give me a screwdriver, I can hack it |
| 17:32.53 | segfault- | huhlig, (enough about the secure thing, it was more lioke to tell you to not make useless statements like that) |
| 17:32.54 | ice63 | lol |
| 17:33.03 | huhlig | segfault-, point |
| 17:33.07 | simonrvn | not remotely |
| 17:33.07 | huhlig | anyhow no I havent |
| 17:34.06 | segfault- | try then. |
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| 17:34.58 | segfault- | got the wpasupplicant installed ? |
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| 17:37.14 | timonator | when i try to start vim it takes ~15 seconds before anything at all happens, what did i do wrong? |
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| 17:37.34 | bolt | timonator: weird. check your system logs. |
| 17:37.35 | fundies | how do i check which app is sing a port? |
| 17:37.52 | segfault- | netcat, tcpdump, nmap. |
| 17:37.52 | cahoot | lsof -i |
| 17:38.11 | fundies | segfault-, i need full command |
| 17:38.12 | timonator | which log? :/ |
| 17:38.30 | timonator | anyway, dinner. |
| 17:38.32 | segfault- | fundies, nvm, cahoot command is the one |
| 17:38.43 | simonrvn | fundies: that's what the manual is for |
| 17:38.55 | fundies | link me to man page on it |
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| 17:39.00 | segfault- | man lsof |
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| 17:39.02 | fundies | i cant find it |
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| 17:39.24 | segfault- | remi:~# man lsof |
| 17:39.24 | segfault- | Reformatting lsof(8), please wait... |
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| 17:39.55 | segfault- | brb |
| 17:40.11 | segfault- | got to finish this airsoft stuff and take painkillers (headache) |
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| 17:40.25 | aMoRPHeouS | ok, been through the alsa checlist... none of it solved the problem :/ |
| 17:40.30 | segfault- | huhlig, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/wiki/doku.php?id=testing |
| 17:40.47 | segfault- | aMoRPHeouS, you runned alsaconf ? |
| 17:40.54 | aMoRPHeouS | yes |
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| 17:41.40 | segfault- | and it did not found your card ? |
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| 17:41.46 | aMoRPHeouS | it did |
| 17:41.51 | dvs | but...? |
| 17:41.53 | segfault- | then .. ? |
| 17:41.54 | aMoRPHeouS | but I'm not gettins sound |
| 17:41.58 | aMoRPHeouS | *getting |
| 17:42.10 | segfault- | tried to raise the volume with alsamixer ? |
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| 17:42.15 | aMoRPHeouS | yes |
| 17:42.32 | cahoot | unmuted? |
| 17:42.36 | aMoRPHeouS | yep |
| 17:42.50 | segfault- | lsmod show the module is loaded ? |
| 17:42.54 | cahoot | only one card to choose from? |
| 17:42.54 | dvs | Turn off the KDE/Gnome sound system to start? |
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| 17:43.26 | jinzo | hello |
| 17:43.28 | aMoRPHeouS | dvs: I'm only using tty 1 and 2 at the moment |
| 17:43.45 | jinzo | any idea why there's no xen patched kernel image in testing, but there is xend in there ? |
| 17:43.46 | aMoRPHeouS | and I'm using speaker-test to test |
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| 17:44.05 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: no error? |
| 17:44.06 | abrotman | !ALSA checklist |
| 17:44.06 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 17:44.25 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: no |
| 17:44.33 | cahoot | hda-intel? |
| 17:44.48 | aMoRPHeouS | segfault-: lsmod shows the module is loaded |
| 17:44.51 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: yets |
| 17:44.53 | aMoRPHeouS | *yes |
| 17:44.58 | cahoot | figures |
| 17:44.58 | anAngel | Hello. I am having problems installing Compiz on Debian Testing. I have working drivers and 3D system. but compiz isn't working. Somebody for help? |
| 17:45.20 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: heh, I mentioned that from the beginning ;D |
| 17:45.30 | dvs | aMoRPHeouS: which kernel? |
| 17:45.38 | aMoRPHeouS | latest on Lenny |
| 17:45.42 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: for completeness - cat /proc/asound/cards - onyl one listed? |
| 17:46.13 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: affirmative |
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| 17:46.47 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - nothing returned? |
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| 17:47.24 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: nope. nothing |
| 17:47.34 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: cat /proc/asound/version - 1.0.14 or .15? |
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| 17:48.11 | aMoRPHeouS | ... it says 14 >_< |
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| 17:48.24 | dvs | aMoRPHeouS: that's not the lenny one. |
| 17:48.30 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: I strongly suspect .15 would do better |
| 17:48.32 | aMoRPHeouS | I was sure it was 15 when I checked aptitude show |
| 17:49.08 | et | i need to hand-compile alsa for my laptop sound to work on testing, and i have no idea why |
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| 17:49.27 | cahoot | why or how? |
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| 17:49.38 | anAngel | Can someone help me install Compiz please. i am Using Debian testing and my video is Intel g965 . |
| 17:49.39 | aMoRPHeouS | yep, just checked "aptitude show alsa-base" ... it shows as 1.0.15 o_O |
| 17:49.48 | octo_ | if i want nvidia from the repos, do i also need to install nvidia-glx? |
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| 17:50.25 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: try alsa force-reload and check version again |
| 17:50.58 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: still showing 14 |
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| 17:51.29 | Hilary_ | segfault-, wicd should run on debian no problem right |
| 17:51.50 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: wonder if m-a would let you upgrade alsa |
| 17:52.07 | aMoRPHeouS | m-a? |
| 17:52.14 | cahoot | !m-a |
| 17:52.14 | dpkg | it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 17:52.18 | jetscreamer | if the source is > why not |
| 17:52.24 | jetscreamer | but you'd have to do the kernel |
| 17:52.37 | cahoot | ? |
| 17:52.42 | muramasa | Hello. I'm looking for higher versions of python-qt4, python-sip4, python-sqlalchemy and python-pysqlite2 than what is included in etch. Doesn't seem to be any backports that has the versions I want, so what I'm wondering is, if it's possible to use testing packages, as the correct versions are found there? |
| 17:52.44 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: I'll give it a shot |
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| 17:53.25 | segfault- | huhlig, ? |
| 17:53.31 | segfault- | given you a compatibilty list |
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| 17:54.03 | wols_ | Noven: not possible. yo can try and backport the stuff you want tho |
| 17:55.00 | muramasa | wols_, was that meant for me?:-) |
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| 17:56.23 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: installed m-a and done "m-a prepare". What now? |
| 17:56.47 | cahoot | run m-a |
| 17:56.50 | abrotman | m-a a-i alsa |
| 17:56.52 | segfault- | huhlig, i'm not sure that your card can run wpa |
| 17:57.00 | segfault- | under debian |
| 17:57.03 | cahoot | then select, get, buils, install IIRC |
| 17:57.11 | Seldaek | howdy, I was wondering if it's possible to put the shell in "record" mode so it saves every command I do in a text file, so I can "replay" the script afterwards to redo the setup if I want ? |
| 17:57.21 | aMoRPHeouS | ok |
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| 17:57.37 | wols_ | muramasa: actually yes |
| 17:57.43 | wols_ | !tell muramasa about simple sid backport |
| 17:57.45 | Seldaek | it might be possible to do it with putty but I think it saves input as well as output in log mode |
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| 17:58.13 | chandor | Seldaek: ~/.bash_history ? |
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| 17:58.17 | muramasa | wols_, hehe, still having problem with name completion have we ;) thanks mate! will look into it! |
| 17:58.59 | Seldaek | chandor: well if you say so, maybe, I'm barely above level 0 as far as linux is concerned:) anyway thanks I'll check that out |
| 17:59.13 | muramasa | wols_, if the versions I need are in lesting, can I do same to backport testing? |
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| 17:59.23 | xingu | Seldaek: script(1) |
| 18:00.19 | chandor | Seldaek: it is in your home dir |
| 18:00.25 | wols_ | muramasa: yes |
| 18:00.25 | aMoRPHeouS | bah, I hate waiting for compilation |
| 18:00.40 | muramasa | wols_, thank you once again mate |
| 18:00.40 | wols_ | aMoRPHeouS: buy more CPUs |
| 18:00.41 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: did it offer a later alsa? |
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| 18:01.13 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: no idea. it just went off and started compiling stuff |
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| 18:01.29 | aMoRPHeouS | wols_: wish I could :) |
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| 18:02.12 | aMoRPHeouS | ooh, it's done. cahoot it's 1.0.15 |
| 18:02.26 | abrotman | oohhh .. shiny! |
| 18:02.34 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: ok install and reload alsa + pray |
| 18:03.11 | Seldaek | chandor: does that .bash_history works with ssh ? |
| 18:03.28 | aMoRPHeouS | lol abrotman |
| 18:03.52 | abrotman | xingu: kde .. oh wait .. nevermind |
| 18:04.08 | aMoRPHeouS | w00t! cahoot, it works :D |
| 18:04.14 | abrotman | i helped too! |
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| 18:04.20 | aMoRPHeouS | hehe |
| 18:04.24 | aMoRPHeouS | thanks guys :) |
| 18:04.30 | segfault- | bleh |
| 18:04.38 | segfault- | irc is a fsckin orgy |
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| 18:04.48 | aMoRPHeouS | lol segfault- |
| 18:05.02 | segfault- | it was true 15 years ago and is still today :p |
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| 18:05.13 | aMoRPHeouS | "Front left, front right..." |
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| 18:05.41 | jmut | where can I read on howto enable/disable daemons in debian, like cups, apache etc etc... currently I just chmod 644 of the /etc/init.d/stuff* but doesn't seem the debian way |
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| 18:06.11 | cahoot | see the README in said dir? |
| 18:06.40 | jmut | ha, there's readme :) thanks |
| 18:06.45 | cahoot | else man update-rc.d |
| 18:06.53 | chandor | Seldaek: or you can follow xingu's advice and use script |
| 18:07.55 | Seldaek | okay so script setup.log then exit when I'm done |
| 18:08.43 | abrotman | jmut: update-rc.d |
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| 18:10.41 | jmut | abrotman: cahoot mentioned it. thanks |
| 18:10.48 | Seldaek | chandor / xingu: just another thing, how do I run the captured script when it's done ? |
| 18:10.52 | abrotman | jmut: huh ? |
| 18:10.54 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 18:12.44 | valdyn | jmut: that is an excellent way, the chmod |
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| 18:13.18 | octo_ | does gnome have any opengl screensavers ? |
| 18:13.22 | valdyn | jmut: most other tools are more complex and fail easier and are less easy to maintain |
| 18:13.27 | krlos | hi every body .. i have a problem with the installer of lenny |
| 18:13.31 | xingu | Seldaek: script will capture input as well as output; so you'll need to separate the two before you can think about using it script; if you just want to replay the log (ie, view it), there's scriptreplay(1) |
| 18:13.47 | anAngel | Hello can someone help me with compiz. Everything is installed but i have problems running it. |
| 18:14.09 | ``y7 | after downloading a file in wget, my terminal doesn't take me back to a prompt, it seems to leave me inside of wget. am i supposed to wait for it to return me to my prompt or am i supposed to exit out of wget with ctrl+c? |
| 18:14.17 | Seldaek | xingu: oh well, the purpose was to save my input only so if I fubar the server I just format and then replay the script up to a certain point.. no can do ? |
| 18:14.17 | krlos | the installer no find the apt files |
| 18:14.27 | krlos | it cant istall grub |
| 18:14.48 | valdyn | jmut: oh and update-rc.d is very bad for this too |
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| 18:15.41 | valdyn | wish people would look at manpages.. |
| 18:15.44 | xingu | Seldaek: autoexepect, from expect suite might help with that |
| 18:16.20 | xingu | Seldaek: your scope is nontrivial though (session replay) |
| 18:17.37 | xingu | valdyn: heh heh heh update-rc.d(8) said "bum" |
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| 18:17.52 | valdyn | xingu: that manpage is evil too |
| 18:17.54 | valdyn | xingu: indeed |
| 18:17.57 | Seldaek | xingu: bah okay.. I guess I'll just log all of it and go through it afterwards if I screw it up.. guess that will make me more careful |
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| 18:18.19 | octo_ | is there a package of screensavers to install for people using gnome ? |
| 18:18.24 | valdyn | like chmod or mv is hard |
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| 18:18.34 | xingu | octo_: rss-glx if you've got a hairy chest |
| 18:19.07 | octo_ | lol |
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| 18:19.19 | valdyn | !sysvinit |
| 18:19.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 18:19.30 | valdyn | !init |
| 18:19.30 | dpkg | i heard init is the init daemon |
| 18:19.35 | valdyn | !init scripts |
| 18:19.52 | azzco | I'm having some problem with sound, amarok can run with oss but not with alsa. I'd like to be able to run it with alsa but how can I trace what's wrong? |
| 18:19.58 | Bushmills | "gnupg depends on libusb" ... how odd... |
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| 18:20.44 | jmut | valdyn: so you suggest I stick with my chmod solution? |
| 18:21.01 | valdyn | jmut: yes |
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| 18:21.09 | xingu | octo_: don't bother unless you've got a few spare shader units though; like it says on the tin, it's designed to hammer the crap out of modern-ish hardware. |
| 18:21.14 | valdyn | jmut: its the only good solution |
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| 18:21.30 | jmut | valdyn: glad to hear. thanks :D |
| 18:21.36 | valdyn | jmut: or mv naturally |
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| 18:21.58 | jmut | I never minded the errors, but thought to go debian way. will stick to this well known to work solution |
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| 18:22.13 | jmut | dinner time :p |
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| 18:22.20 | valdyn | jmut: this IS a debian supported way because init scrripts are config files |
| 18:23.02 | jmut | valdyn: well but if all is smooth I doubt you should see permission deined errors.. |
| 18:23.11 | jmut | valdyn: and thats what you see if change to 644 |
| 18:23.16 | valdyn | jmut: you can use mv if you dont like the errors |
| 18:23.21 | jmut | :) |
| 18:23.29 | valdyn | jmut: i.e. mv apache2 apache2.disabled |
| 18:23.33 | jmut | like it spicy |
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| 18:25.04 | cl1 | howdy folks |
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| 18:25.30 | cl1 | i was installing debian and it puked when it tried to install grub, i was installing it onto my macbook with the boot camp thingy |
| 18:25.48 | cl1 | not sure where to go from that |
| 18:25.49 | blueD | Hi, I want to try sidux, is there a iso which I can download? |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | blueD: ask the sidux channel |
| 18:27.29 | scrash08 | HI. I understand the diffs bet Debian & other distros for full-servers/desktops. |
| 18:27.30 | scrash08 | Question -- for a *stripped-down* distro that'll run as a headless netfilter firewall, what would you say is the primary pro-Debian argument? |
| 18:27.32 | blueD | there was only one person at # sidux (freenode) |
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| 18:29.09 | Bushmills | internet search engines often do a good job finding download sites |
| 18:30.09 | wols_ | scrash08: debian is very small if you want it to be. it's totally free, has great stability record |
| 18:30.21 | cl1 | anyone? |
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| 18:30.34 | wols_ | !efi |
| 18:30.42 | wols_ | !macbook |
| 18:30.42 | dpkg | hmm... macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse |
| 18:30.57 | wols_ | macs don't use BIOS. grub likes bios |
| 18:30.59 | Bushmills | otherwise I'd suggest to have a look at http://membrane.com/synapse/library/searchin.html |
| 18:31.10 | octo_ | what version of xorg are we using now? |
| 18:31.18 | scrash08 | wols_: hi. playing devil's advocate (got 'suits' around here ...) -- "Stripped-down, Fedora's small too & free ..." |
| 18:31.22 | cl1 | i see, thought grub worked with efi too |
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| 18:31.40 | abrotman | blueD: read the topic there |
| 18:32.19 | blueD | abrotman, fine |
| 18:32.31 | wols_ | scrash08: fedora changes constanlty. with debian you install and you are done (except security for 2-3 yrears) |
| 18:32.41 | wols_ | time needed to admin, debian is a LOT better |
| 18:32.57 | wols_ | you don#t get support for a 2 year old fedora. as soon as the new one is out, it's over |
| 18:33.12 | cl1 | dpkg .. thanks for the link, that should help ALOT |
| 18:33.12 | octo_ | does debian us xorg7.2 ? |
| 18:33.13 | wols_ | and whenever you got a problem, fedora will say "update". |
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| 18:33.25 | wols_ | octo_: some branches do |
| 18:33.41 | octo_ | how do you determin what ver you have? |
| 18:33.47 | elirips | Hello. I'm trying to import a key for apt-key. But i get: gpg: no writable keyring found: eof anyone got me a hint? |
| 18:33.49 | wols_ | scrash08: and if you want real support they say "buy RHEL". and that is NOT free |
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| 18:33.59 | wols_ | octo_: man dpkg |
| 18:34.03 | abrotman | elirips: as root? |
| 18:34.06 | wols_ | octo_: what debian branch do you run? |
| 18:34.08 | elirips | abrotman, yes |
| 18:34.16 | elirips | abrotman, omg, no |
| 18:34.21 | wols_ | hehe |
| 18:34.27 | octo_ | etch |
| 18:34.33 | elirips | abrotman, thanks for the hint |
| 18:34.33 | wols_ | octo_: then ther is no xorg 7.2 |
| 18:34.54 | wols_ | !info xorg etch |
| 18:34.58 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 18:35.23 | octo_ | wolz, that might explain why it seems the windows dont move smooth when i grab and shake them around i think :) |
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| 18:35.33 | wols_ | interesting. sid is already running 7.3 |
| 18:35.40 | wols_ | octo_: what driver? |
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| 18:35.53 | screamingbytes | anyone know a doc i can read specifying the files and output of the boot up so i can colorize the output of the boot process? |
| 18:36.13 | scrash08 | wols_: good points. tbh, tho, Debian doesn't have "real" redhat-like commercial support ... apples & oranges. still, you're right. |
| 18:36.13 | scrash08 | re: admin, agreed. which is why *i* generally am using/moving_to Debian for *my* stuff. but, if "all" i have is a core/base install using iptables/netfilter, there's really not that much of an admin argument. |
| 18:36.14 | scrash08 | whcih, come to think of it, may be the argument i should use ... |
| 18:36.17 | octo_ | wols nvidia 3d |
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| 18:36.43 | wols_ | then there shouldn't be any problem. grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:37.10 | octo_ | wolz the opengl screensavers are working ok |
| 18:37.30 | wols_ | that's not what I asked a and my nick is not "wolz" |
| 18:37.35 | aMoRPHeouS | anyone using xmms2? |
| 18:37.38 | wols_ | type wo or wol and then tab |
| 18:37.42 | wols_ | !tella muramasa about anyone |
| 18:38.01 | muramasa | wols_, you really love me :-) |
| 18:38.10 | muramasa | !tell aMoRPHeouS about anyone |
| 18:38.19 | octo_ | wols_, sorry lol |
| 18:38.31 | wols_ | octo_: you still haven't answeered |
| 18:38.42 | wols_ | "sorry" won't give me an answer |
| 18:39.17 | aMoRPHeouS | oh, well I seem to have sound working now, but I'm not getting any sound from xmms2 |
| 18:39.23 | octo_ | wols_, kdb mouse and nvidia |
| 18:39.26 | octo_ | lol |
| 18:39.37 | wols_ | aMoRPHeouS: what output plugin for xmms2? |
| 18:39.41 | aMoRPHeouS | alsa |
| 18:39.48 | wols_ | aMoRPHeouS: also, lsmod |grep -i oss |
| 18:40.20 | RaymondX | aMoRPHeouS: xmms2 is not really a newer version of xmms1 right? |
| 18:40.38 | Bushmills | entirely different |
| 18:40.43 | aMoRPHeouS | wols_: gives me a list of 5 modules or so |
| 18:40.48 | aMoRPHeouS | RaymondX: no |
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| 18:40.52 | maligor | yeah, it doesn't even play sound, it controls toasters |
| 18:40.58 | aMoRPHeouS | haha |
| 18:40.59 | wols_ | aMoRPHeouS: just checking |
| 18:42.14 | RaymondX | xmm2 is a remote client i think |
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| 18:42.32 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: start xmms2 and run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - what output does it use? |
| 18:44.00 | bolt | How can I know what to write after Pin: to pin a package to a specific repository (wine, in this case) with apt? |
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| 18:45.00 | aMoRPHeouS | cahoot: /dev/snd/controlC0 |
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| 18:45.16 | cahoot | aMoRPHeouS: ok so it uses plain alsa |
| 18:46.15 | DawnLight | where in debian sources is the build script? |
| 18:46.22 | RaymondX | xmms2 plays music over the network so it could be just a network problem |
| 18:46.41 | aMoRPHeouS | RaymondX: running both player and daemon locally |
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| 18:50.02 | a4ndr3c | hi all |
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| 18:51.07 | a4ndr3c | if i instal from a debian netinstall i need a internet connection? or i can configure it later? |
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| 18:51.18 | andrej_ | hey |
| 18:51.34 | andrej_ | i have a problem: when i use patch it does nothing :( |
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| 18:52.05 | Eulex | andrej_, it expects a patch to be sent to it via stdin |
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| 18:52.59 | bolt | How can I know what to write after Pin: to pin a package to a specific repository (wine, in this case) with apt? |
| 18:53.07 | octo_ | wols_, did you see my answer before? |
| 18:53.07 | andrej_ | Eulex: and how do i see the output? i tried on my box and remotely |
| 18:53.27 | Eulex | andrej_, which output? |
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| 18:54.12 | andrej_ | Eulex: emm...patching balabla.c etc... |
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| 18:54.52 | chandor | a4ndr3c: if it is not businesscard image, then yes, you can complete minimal install offline |
| 18:54.55 | Eulex | andrej_, what exact command are you trying to use? |
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| 18:55.22 | andrej_ | Eulex: patch -p0 [patch loaction] |
| 18:55.27 | andrej_ | location* |
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| 18:55.33 | andrej_ | same with -p1 |
| 18:56.09 | Eulex | andrej_, that's incorrect. it does not take a filename, it takes a patch sent to it via stdin |
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| 18:56.14 | chandor | andrej_: it is patch -p1 -i ... |
| 18:56.19 | Eulex | or that |
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| 18:56.28 | Eulex | but normally you'd do patch -p0 < [patch loaction] |
| 18:56.53 | andrej_ | oh...lol....yeah, i forgot < |
| 18:56.55 | andrej_ | haha! |
| 18:56.57 | andrej_ | stupid me |
| 18:57.06 | andrej_ | thanx guys! |
| 18:57.28 | andrej_ | <3 you! |
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| 19:00.09 | octo_ | should this command work? dpkg-deb -I nvidia-glx |
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| 19:02.35 | abrotman | for what? |
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| 19:03.21 | octo_ | abrotman, lol, im just trying to see version info for packages |
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| 19:03.48 | abrotman | octo_: apt-cache show nvidia-glx |
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| 19:04.13 | octo_ | oh, so you dont want to use dpkg then ? |
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| 19:05.48 | octo_ | abrotman, so when i asked before how to see package versions, and someone typed man dpkg, I guess they werent really trying to help much were they lol |
| 19:05.58 | abrotman | octo_: dpkg -l nvidia-glx also works |
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| 19:07.18 | octo_ | abrotman, thank you, the first time i looked through the man , i didnt notice the query actions :) |
| 19:07.48 | JordiGH | Feel free to direct me to another channel, but I'm wondering if mp32ogg is a good tool. I can't hear any difference in sound quality after transcoding with mp32ogg, but perhaps someone else can? I want to know if it's safe to delete the original mp3s. |
| 19:07.51 | vile_maxim | anyone know how to share the INBOX folder of an account using courier-imap? Got the subfolders, but not the actual INBOX. |
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| 19:08.36 | wols_ | octo_: I saw it. was just checking |
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| 19:09.07 | wols_ | octo_: dpkg -l <package name> is a standard way to check package versions |
| 19:09.20 | abrotman | vile_maxim: did you ask #courier |
| 19:09.42 | JordiGH | Which gives a little more information... |
| 19:09.48 | vile_maxim | abrotman: no answer yet |
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| 19:10.29 | octo_ | wols_, I see that now, I just missed the query action part of the man file and started trying stupid crap lol |
| 19:10.47 | EvilGuru | I am just looking at /var/log/auth.log and see that www-data often runs a cron job. How do I find out what job this is? |
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| 19:11.50 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 19:12.19 | octo_ | wols_, well, either way, I just remember trying kubuntu a long time back and remember the window movement not seeming very smooth even with the 3d drivers in. At the time, I remember people saying it was becasue they werent using xorg 7.2 yet |
| 19:12.20 | DawnLight | i'm trying to grep for the string "4.2" by using "grep 4\.2" where's my mistake? |
| 19:12.35 | JordiGH | octo_: You're using nvidia? |
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| 19:12.56 | octo_ | JordiGH, yea |
| 19:13.02 | JordiGH | octo_: Sorry to hear that. :-/ |
| 19:13.08 | dazjorz | I've installed the new kernel which is supposed to fix the vmsplice problem, but the proof of concept still works |
| 19:13.11 | octo_ | JordiGH, lol |
| 19:13.41 | dazjorz | I'm planning to compile my own kernel with vmsplice disabled |
| 19:13.46 | octo_ | JordiGH, you dont llike nvidia I take it :) |
| 19:13.49 | dazjorz | or > 2.6.24 |
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| 19:13.54 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Hm, doesn't look like grep needs to escape . |
| 19:13.57 | dazjorz | is this a good idea for a semi-critical server? |
| 19:14.01 | dazjorz | (e.g. running etch for a reason) |
| 19:14.11 | JordiGH | octo_: Their blob always breaks for me. Utter crap. |
| 19:14.39 | JordiGH | octo_: And when your kernel updates but the blob doesn't, well, then you're in for some fun as you try to get the stupid blob working again. |
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| 19:15.14 | octo_ | JordiGH, yea, ive been through all of that :) |
| 19:16.16 | lantius | Hello, I am trying to change the language of my whole system. I have tried typing dpkg-reconfigure locales. Nevertheless, message of apt are showed in spanish. |
| 19:16.25 | JordiGH | octo_: I've been using compiz with the intel chipset quite happily. There's a minor snag where they still haven't figured out a good way to get video and compiz working at once with this intel chipset, so I switch to metacity when I want to watch videos. |
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| 19:16.35 | octo_ | if i install all of the kde packages, will i get a choice of which desktop to load on the login screen ? |
| 19:16.42 | JordiGH | octo_: Yes. |
| 19:17.04 | chandor | DawnLight: it is either grep 4.2 or egrep 4\.2 |
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| 19:17.15 | JordiGH | octo_: Btw, you may want to use kdm if you want to use kde and gdm for Gnome. |
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| 19:17.38 | octo_ | JordiGH, I have Compiz working quite well on my other box that also has nvidia and It is ok. |
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| 19:18.13 | JordiGH | octo_: Yeah, until it breaks and freezes the whole box. The nvidia blob works, but when it doesn't, it takes everything else with it. |
| 19:18.23 | octo_ | JordiGH, dont have to use xgl or aiglx either as the nvidia drivers support the opengl extentions now to |
| 19:19.03 | JordiGH | octo_: It may work, but it's still not the best solution. I'm eager to see how the free drivers for ATI come along. |
| 19:19.11 | octo_ | JordiGH, if i ever have probs, i just change the driver to nv so i can get back into X while i figure it out lol |
| 19:19.21 | JordiGH | octo_: Yeah, pain in the butt. |
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| 19:19.42 | octo_ | JordiGH, yes it is. |
| 19:19.47 | JordiGH | octo_: Btw, I've also used the free radeon drivers with compiz. Also work blissfully. |
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| 19:19.55 | octo_ | JordiGH, how can I change to kdm from gdm ? |
| 19:20.00 | JordiGH | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 19:20.14 | JordiGH | Once you install kdm, that is. |
| 19:20.31 | octo_ | hmmmmm sweeeet, im going to try now |
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| 19:21.27 | Bushmills | dselect |
| 19:21.37 | octo_ | do we have kde4 in the repos yet? |
| 19:22.02 | maligor | experimental is where I last saw it |
| 19:22.08 | octo_ | i havent even tryed kde4 yet |
| 19:22.19 | octo_ | i heard it wasnt too great though |
| 19:22.23 | JordiGH | !info kde4 |
| 19:22.26 | maligor | it's buggy |
| 19:22.42 | JordiGH | !info kde4 experimental |
| 19:22.42 | maligor | incredibly buggy.. and not complete I think |
| 19:22.46 | dpkg | kde4: (the K Desktop Environment 4), section kde, is optional. Version: 1 (experimental), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
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| 19:24.56 | netdaemon | maligor, indeed, i just uninstalled it |
| 19:24.57 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 19:25.13 | JordiGH | Why did you do it, lol? |
| 19:25.16 | octo_ | 409 packages to install haha |
| 19:25.24 | JordiGH | What kind of bugs are in it, lol? |
| 19:25.28 | netdaemon | JordiGH, pretty much the same reasons he stated |
| 19:25.56 | netdaemon | no administrater mode in systemsettings, kopete crashes randomly, no ability to modify the plasma panel |
| 19:26.14 | octo_ | my brother tryed kde4, and bugs or no bugs, it seemed functionless compared to kde3 |
| 19:26.22 | netdaemon | that too |
| 19:26.27 | netdaemon | i'm waiting for 4.1 |
| 19:26.29 | maligor | I did say 'not complete' |
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| 19:26.38 | gasnet | hello |
| 19:26.47 | maligor | aside from that tho, I liked it better than kde 3 |
| 19:26.53 | netdaemon | there is plenty of potential there though so keep an eye on it :P |
| 19:27.08 | octo_ | does that mean things are missing by design, or that they havent been implimented into kde4 yet? |
| 19:27.11 | gasnet | i'm having debian 4.0r2, and i just installed lighttpd... but i can't find the packages for php lighttpd and mysql lighttpd .... can u help me? |
| 19:27.18 | netdaemon | octo_, both |
| 19:27.21 | maligor | might actually move to kde 4 from gnome if they fix it |
| 19:27.27 | netdaemon | eh |
| 19:27.32 | netdaemon | not implemented rather |
| 19:27.37 | JordiGH | netdaemon: I see, lol. That's pretty bad, lol. I hope they get it fixed soon, lol. I've switched to Gnome right now, lol, after many faithful years of KDE usage, lol. Gnome is a little short on features, lol, but it does have an attractive simplicity, lol. |
| 19:27.38 | netdaemon | i read that wrong :X |
| 19:27.44 | jinzo | KDE4 is a step closer to GNOME imo |
| 19:27.46 | gasnet | i'm having debian 4.0r2, and i just installed lighttpd... but i can't find the packages for php lighttpd and mysql lighttpd .... can u help me? |
| 19:28.00 | octo_ | netdaemon, ok that is good to know. Then things should continue to get better :) |
| 19:28.15 | netdaemon | gnome already has some of the things that kde4 is working towards though |
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| 19:28.26 | octo_ | netdaemon, I thought the designers were just digressing |
| 19:28.36 | netdaemon | simplicity, building on frameworks (ex: gstreamer) |
| 19:28.52 | maligor | dbus! |
| 19:28.58 | netdaemon | that too |
| 19:29.20 | cloakable | JordiGH: Nah, metacity is meant to be boring by design. |
| 19:29.24 | netdaemon | some another annoying things about kopete, the taskbar dosn't flash, you get a notification box |
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| 19:29.46 | JordiGH | cloakable: Yeah, but the theming does make it look a little bit prettier. |
| 19:29.59 | cloakable | JordiGH: But still boring :P |
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| 19:30.29 | JordiGH | It sounds like KDE4 is still beta, then. I guess the KDE devs were too eager to make the release. |
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| 19:30.32 | maligor | why should a window manager be exiting? |
| 19:30.45 | netdaemon | JordiGH, dot 0 releases are always like this |
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| 19:30.49 | JordiGH | maligor: Because it can! http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ImW0-MgR8I |
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| 19:31.07 | netdaemon | JordiGH, they released it to get people writting software for it, people dont write software for betas |
| 19:31.10 | bolt | How can I know what to write after Pin: to pin a package to a specific repository (wine, in this case) with apt? |
| 19:31.10 | maligor | I prefer windowmanagers that are rock stable |
| 19:31.20 | JordiGH | netdaemon: I've been recently following Octave development, and a lot of painstaking bugsquashing went on before jwe finally decided to label it 3.0 :-) |
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| 19:31.26 | octo_ | crap, i dont have flash installed lol |
| 19:31.30 | maligor | most of the effects just make use slower |
| 19:31.30 | JordiGH | maligor: compiz is pretty stable. |
| 19:31.39 | JordiGH | octo_: You don't need flash. youtube-dl |
| 19:31.40 | netdaemon | not familiar with octave |
| 19:31.44 | cloakable | maligor: Perhaps not exciting, but the 3D features in KWin make working easire. |
| 19:31.47 | JordiGH | netdaemon: Numerical software. |
| 19:31.47 | cloakable | *easier |
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| 19:32.02 | JordiGH | cloakable: What 3d does kwin do? |
| 19:32.05 | maligor | some compositor effects are nice tho, like windows shadows |
| 19:32.43 | cloakable | JordiGH: I forget :P Not much at the moment, but there is an API defined for extensions. |
| 19:33.09 | JordiGH | Window shadows I can do without. But the mental image of the cube is helpful for sorting your windows when you have too many of them. The expose effect is useful. I also like the ring switcher. Grouping and tabbing windows also is useful. Some of the things are purely useless but fun, like the firepaint. |
| 19:33.15 | octo_ | JordiGH, youtube-dl ? |
| 19:33.22 | JordiGH | !info youtube-dl |
| 19:33.27 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2008.01.24-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 19:33.45 | netdaemon | i should install compiz |
| 19:33.47 | rdz | hi all. i have a bluetooth device and i would like to establish connection to it. how is that done? i found rfcomm and hciattach, but i am not sure, how they work and if they make sense at all for what i want |
| 19:33.50 | netdaemon | metacity is rather boring |
| 19:33.51 | maligor | JordiGH, I've never found expose useful, a simple workspace switcher is enough |
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| 19:34.04 | maligor | or cube |
| 19:34.04 | rdz | i mean: i'd like to establish a serial connection to it |
| 19:34.18 | JordiGH | maligor: Try working with gimp and qt designer at once. Or other apps that open tons of windows. It's useful for sorting them. :P |
| 19:34.24 | maligor | window shadows just give visual cue to separating windows |
| 19:34.36 | JordiGH | maligor: Or sometimes you have 10 windows or more in the same workspace; the ring switcher is also useful for that. |
| 19:35.00 | maligor | usually I try to avoid that |
| 19:35.15 | JordiGH | Why avoid when you can have software do the hard work for you? :-) |
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| 19:36.06 | maligor | the gadget lover's solution to the problem, eh |
| 19:36.27 | maligor | each to his own |
| 19:36.47 | JordiGH | s/entends/entend/ |
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| 19:40.06 | Yarcanox | hello |
| 19:40.07 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. Is there any way to report some package in sid as outdated? |
| 19:40.12 | Yarcanox | how should I install the nvidia driver the best way? download it from nvidia.com or use some package? |
| 19:40.37 | SchwarzeKrause | Yarcanox: use module-assistant tool for that |
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| 19:41.10 | JordiGH | !tell Yarcanox about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:41.24 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: Outdated? What do you mean with "outdated"? |
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| 19:42.28 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: I mean, there are two packages: maxima and wxmaxima. They aren't system-critical, but they get updated really slowly, and at the moment they are old in comparison to official sites versions |
| 19:42.55 | HyperDevil | hi guys, i have a Gbit network and running a local ftp server...... is 18.8 MegaByte a second a good transfer speed? |
| 19:43.20 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: You can submit a bug to nag the packager (is it still Cam Maguire?) to package a newer version. |
| 19:43.35 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Oh, thanks a lot |
| 19:43.53 | octo_ | when you istall kde, shoulding it install kdm too ? |
| 19:44.07 | octo_ | can you actually run kde from gdm ? |
| 19:44.16 | JordiGH | octo_: Only if you want to be able to shutdown, suspend, and such from KDE without having to log out to the desktop manager. |
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| 19:44.34 | JordiGH | octo_: Yeah, you can, but you won't be able to shut down from inside KDE if you run it from gdm. |
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| 19:45.04 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: It's only two minor versions behind, no? Has much changed in the meantime? |
| 19:45.08 | LukeLM | 18.8MB/s sounds more like 100mbit |
| 19:45.20 | octo_ | JordiGH, ok, well, when i installed kdm, it poped up and asked if i want to use kdm or gdm, and i picked kdm. So is that all i have to do then right? |
| 19:45.26 | Yarcanox | !nvidiaoneliner yarcanox |
| 19:45.35 | Yarcanox | can anyone please make this bot tell me the stuff again |
| 19:45.35 | JordiGH | octo_: Yes. |
| 19:45.43 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: There are some changes, at least in the wxMaxima |
| 19:45.47 | JordiGH | !tell Yarcanox about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:45.52 | Yarcanox | thx :) |
| 19:46.04 | Yarcanox | ok |
| 19:46.12 | Yarcanox | which package repositories do I need for this oneliner? |
| 19:46.19 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: Are you a dev for it? I still use the TeXmacs interface (which right now segfaults in lenny). |
| 19:46.21 | maligor | LukeLM, not quite, 100mbit would be 12.5MB/s |
| 19:46.38 | LukeLM | still far from gbit ^^ |
| 19:46.40 | JordiGH | Yarcanox: Just enable contrib and non-free sources. |
| 19:46.56 | maligor | yeh, gigabit should be 125MB/s |
| 19:47.11 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: No, just a regular user) I am currently switching from ArchLinux and that's one of my basic apps |
| 19:47.14 | maligor | but you can't get that from a single harddrive even |
| 19:47.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got a few MPEG files I'd like burned in the DVD format |
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| 19:47.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think the files are MPEG_TS, hence already compatible with DVD |
| 19:47.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just need to structure them so that an average DVD player doesn't go "WTF is this?".. can anyone help me out? |
| 19:48.04 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: I think I looked at the wm interface and wasn't positively impressed. TeX output ftw. |
| 19:48.11 | LukeLM | isn't dvd MPEG_PS? |
| 19:48.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | LukeLM: Err... something like that, I don't remember :P |
| 19:48.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | LukeLM: Is there an app that can output details about the files? |
| 19:48.47 | LukeLM | there is TS and PS so you may want to make sure |
| 19:49.04 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Well, that's a matter of habit. I always wanted to try using emacs for all my studying needs and finally learn TeX - never had time for that. |
| 19:49.05 | maligor | yeah, dvd's should be PS |
| 19:49.06 | LukeLM | Not that I know of off the top of my head sorry |
| 19:49.18 | maligor | TS is used for broadcasting |
| 19:49.22 | biopyte | hi folks. i'm curious. for more than a week there were almost no updates in lenny. thats unusual. whats the reason? |
| 19:49.27 | maligor | over unreliable links |
| 19:49.29 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: You don't know TeX but you work with mathematics? Are you an undergrad? |
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| 19:50.06 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Well, I am a first year student) |
| 19:50.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Opening video decoder: [mpegpes] MPEG 1/2 Video passthrough Selected video codec: [mpeg12] vfm: libmpeg2 (MPEG-1 or 2 (libmpeg2)) Selected audio codec: [a52] afm: liba52 (AC3-liba52) |
| 19:50.16 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: LaTeX is unavoidable. You'll have to learn it. It takes about a day of dedicated effort while you absorb the not-so-short introduction to LaTeX. |
| 19:50.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's what mplayer says ^ |
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| 19:51.32 | LukeLM | have you tried the program 'q'dvdauthor ? |
| 19:51.43 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Could you recommend some guideline for that? I mean, some books or like that. I always wanted to learn TeX, and I understand, that I'll need that as soon as I'll have to make any kind of mathematics-related article |
| 19:51.44 | LukeLM | it's a frontend to dvdauthor may help you out |
| 19:51.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | LukeLM: Ok, where can I find it? Is it in apt? |
| 19:52.02 | LukeLM | Yeah, it should be in apt |
| 19:52.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cool, thanks. |
| 19:52.15 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: I already said, the not-so-short introduction. :-) |
| 19:52.43 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: It's in texlive-doc-en |
| 19:53.17 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: It might also be translated to the the -bg, -fr, -ti, and -nl packages. If you want -de, it looks like it's not there yet. :P |
| 19:53.30 | LukeLM | when I last used it, I had a few problems so try virtual burning to iso's before you waste any dvd's :P |
| 19:53.52 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Thanks a lot. BTW, I am from Russia, disregard my nick) |
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| 19:54.38 | octo_ | kde is nice lol, i feel at home now |
| 19:54.55 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: Ah, no -ru either. I can't imagine how you would type stuff in Russian. You would have to switch keyboard layouts every five keystrokes or so, and if you're an Emacs user, I understand it's better to use Emacs' keyboard switching than the environment's. |
| 19:54.57 | segfault- | back |
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| 19:55.47 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Why don't you ask how would we learn any Western language? =) |
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| 19:56.19 | Yarcanox | anyone knows a good deb repository for games? stuff like nexuiz, sauerbraten, aleph one/marathon etc |
| 19:56.55 | treKrem | JordiGH: there is lshort in german! Actually, the english version is kind of a translation. |
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| 19:58.55 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: Я говорю очень немножко по-русски, но я некогда не написал по-латеху. |
| 19:59.09 | JordiGH | treKrem: Is the original in German? |
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| 19:59.46 | peppe | at boot time my hard disk gets detected by ide_generic and not by via82cxxx (which is loaded later). this makes impossible for me to use dma etc. is there a way to fix this? (apart from rip off ide_generic from the initrd ;) |
| 19:59.47 | treKrem | JordiGH: well, that is what is says in a thank you note in the english version |
| 19:59.49 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Oh, that was cool! Where are you from? |
| 19:59.59 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: .mx |
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| 20:00.16 | JordiGH | treKrem: Never noticed. :-) |
| 20:00.49 | romeo1 | DEBIAN SUCKS AND IS UGLY NOW KICK ME I DARE YOU YOU'LL LOSE 10 OF YOUR CUSTOMERS |
| 20:00.55 | bolt | gah. somebody please help me with this. i added the wine repositories from http://winehq.org/site/download-deb, but I can't figure out how to pin them to a higher priority than my current repositories. I added the pinning lines from http://wiki.winehq.org/APTRepository, but they have no effect. Help? |
| 20:01.14 | LukeLM | lol |
| 20:01.33 | SchwarzeKrause | JordiGH: Interesting. Never knew that anyone speaks Russian in Mexico. Although I naturally know about Soviet-Mexican relations in the past |
| 20:01.36 | bolt | our customers? |
| 20:01.43 | romeo1 | bolt that's right |
| 20:01.45 | maligor | romeo1, I'll sell you Windows Vista for 5000 EUR |
| 20:01.58 | romeo1 | maligor i don't care stop debian |
| 20:01.58 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: There are a few Russians here, but very scarce. One of them happened to be my girlfriend, a while ago. |
| 20:02.23 | SchwarzeKrause | Another question: does Debian's netinstall cd allow installing over a wi-fi connection in case I have a intel 3945 card? |
| 20:02.26 | jim | SchwarzeKrause: do some people speak russian in hawaii? |
| 20:02.47 | jim | (hmm, forgot what my point was; nm) |
| 20:03.01 | romeo1 | debian is bad |
| 20:03.07 | SchwarzeKrause | jim: Err... I really can't imagine that, except for the tourists) |
| 20:03.08 | jim | ok |
| 20:03.11 | LukeLM | What's so bad about it? |
| 20:03.20 | krim | LukeLM: Don't feed the trolls |
| 20:03.25 | JordiGH | SchwarzeKrause: No. :-/ No netinstall over wireless. You'll have to use an ethernet cable for the install and wrestle wireless later. You should be fine with the almost free iwlwifi driver, though. |
| 20:03.28 | romeo1 | what do you do when people send you mixed messages? |
| 20:03.41 | romeo1 | oops |
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| 20:03.45 | romeo1 | that was offtipic |
| 20:03.51 | bolt | romeo1: sod off |
| 20:03.54 | jim | doesn;t matter,,,, if he thinks it's bad, he can run anything he wants, and if that doesn't end the discussion it's time for a troll intervention |
| 20:04.00 | romeo1 | STOP DEBIAN PLS |
| 20:04.13 | jim | !ops romeo1 troll |
| 20:04.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jim complains about: romeo1 troll |
| 20:04.14 | romeo1 | POLICE IS GOING TO CALLED ON DEBIAN |
| 20:04.17 | bolt | !ops romeo1 == troll |
| 20:04.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bolt complains about: romeo1 == troll |
| 20:04.22 | LukeLM | what about all the packages based on debian |
| 20:04.32 | romeo1 | LUKELM THEY SUCKS TOO |
| 20:04.36 | maligor | romeo1, we'll press the stop button if you go away |
| 20:04.50 | maligor | non-negotiable condition. |
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| 20:04.51 | romeo1 | DEBIAN IS ONE UGLY MOTEHR FUCKER |
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| 20:05.03 | jim | romeo1: you can run anything you want. now if you don't have anything useful, shut up |
| 20:05.07 | romeo1 | KICK DEBIAN OFF FREEENODE |
| 20:05.12 | Yarcanox | http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/ how can I add those to my apt-get :/ |
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| 20:05.40 | jim | Yarcanox: probably they already are |
| 20:05.46 | Yarcanox | no |
| 20:05.50 | SchwarzeKrause | Yarcanox: You don't have to, if your Debian box is connected to any of the official Debian repos |
| 20:05.52 | Yarcanox | or probably yes :-? |
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| 20:06.10 | SchwarzeKrause | Just check whether all branches (main, contrib, non-free) are added |
| 20:06.18 | JordiGH | Yarcanox: You don't have to do anything special. If you have sources for everything else, you'll also have sources for the game. "aptitude install nexuiz", and I'll kick your butt. |
| 20:06.27 | jim | Yarcanox: test and see... if not I'll help. pick a game from that list, try apt-get install <thatgame> |
| 20:06.28 | Yarcanox | ah |
| 20:06.56 | jim | if that doesn't work we'll fix it |
| 20:06.56 | jim | in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 20:08.07 | leonardo | hi i'm with a printer hp laserjet 3050 installed with usbport, how to make this work |
| 20:08.34 | epsilon | cups? |
| 20:08.51 | jim | leonardo: locate linux printing howto, and read up on your printer |
| 20:09.07 | jim | check for usb printing help anywhere on the internet |
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| 20:09.27 | epsilon | hm, the printer DB on linuxprinting is down |
| 20:09.32 | jim | Yarcanox: so how's it going |
| 20:09.33 | epsilon | *.org |
| 20:10.16 | maligor | wouldn't it probably be supported by hplip? |
| 20:10.46 | epsilon | yeah, want to check that, but the site is down... |
| 20:10.53 | maligor | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/color_laser.html |
| 20:11.08 | maligor | doesn't list that specific model tho |
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| 20:11.51 | Yarcanox | you should add morgana's revenge based on the aleph one engine |
| 20:11.51 | maligor | unless it's not a color laser |
| 20:12.02 | Yarcanox | it is a nice shooter and runs even with no 3d acceleration |
| 20:12.55 | maligor | leonardo, monochrome multifunction? |
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| 20:13.05 | ``y7 | if you're modify a config file, what does the # at the front of each line mean? |
| 20:13.08 | peppe | maligor: it is here http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/combined.html |
| 20:13.09 | bolt | gah. somebody please help me with this. i added the wine repositories from http://winehq.org/site/download-deb, but I can't figure out how to pin them to a higher priority than my current repositories. I added the pinning lines from http://wiki.winehq.org/APTRepository, but they have no effect. Help? |
| 20:13.13 | leonardo | laserjet multifunction |
| 20:13.14 | danilom | is still popular teh podcasting? |
| 20:13.19 | peppe | ``y7: usually that is a comment |
| 20:13.20 | leonardo | 3050 |
| 20:13.37 | jim | Yarcanox: that's not my question... my question is: is it working as I described? I'm kinda busy and cannot keep my attention on you |
| 20:13.43 | peppe | ``y7: of course it depends on the config file syntax :) |
| 20:13.50 | Yarcanox | oh sorry :) yes jim it works |
| 20:13.57 | jim | nice :) |
| 20:14.02 | maligor | leonardo, the hplip package will support it |
| 20:14.07 | jim | glad it worked out |
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| 20:14.28 | leonardo | it's installed |
| 20:14.34 | leonardo | but do not work |
| 20:14.42 | leonardo | need any configuration |
| 20:14.47 | maligor | do you have it configured in cups? |
| 20:14.50 | ``y7 | peppe, the whole config file has # in front of every line. does this mean nothing is configed and everything is a comment? |
| 20:15.23 | jim | leonardo: "does not work" is what was assumed the first moment you complained about it... to say that again is therefore NO information |
| 20:15.32 | leonardo | how to know if is configured in cups |
| 20:15.34 | leonardo | what is cups |
| 20:16.01 | jim | it accepts and holds print jobs and sends them to the printer all nice and pretty |
| 20:16.33 | maligor | leonardo, try running hp-setup |
| 20:16.46 | maligor | I don't have a hp printer so I'm not entirely sure if it's nessesary tho |
| 20:17.08 | leonardo | 1 minute |
| 20:17.54 | maligor | anyway, if you have gnome installed for one, you can just add printers with a nice gui |
| 20:17.55 | peleg | does anyone knows what "ttf2tfm" command should be, or when can I find it? |
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| 20:18.18 | peleg | it is something about true type fonts, and I should run it, but I get "command not found"... |
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| 20:19.12 | leonardo | maligor: i see this |
| 20:19.16 | leonardo | configuring |
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| 20:19.33 | leonardo | choose the driver you want to use printer |
| 20:19.37 | leonardo | 3 options |
| 20:19.45 | leonardo | postscript |
| 20:19.54 | leonardo | hpijs |
| 20:20.04 | peppe | ``y7: yes, maybe it's just a "stub" file, and the program uses the defaults |
| 20:20.45 | leonardo | which one choose |
| 20:21.03 | maligor | you listed 2, but said you had 3 |
| 20:21.22 | leonardo | the last is recommended |
| 20:21.25 | leonardo | but failed |
| 20:21.28 | leonardo | i tried |
| 20:21.40 | peleg | found it: freetype1-tools |
| 20:21.48 | maligor | try another then, I couldn't really say |
| 20:22.12 | leonardo | tried the first |
| 20:22.59 | Supaplex | !ping |
| 20:22.59 | dpkg | pong |
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| 20:23.28 | Supaplex | awesome. I just swapped out a 24port 10/100 switch to the other one on the other end of the room, and I didn't get disconnected. :) |
| 20:24.10 | leonardo | maligor: didn't work |
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| 20:28.37 | maligor | leonardo, did you use hp-setup? |
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| 20:29.16 | vlt | Hello. Is there a start script that is executed when a user logs in via XDMCP? I need to put its current source IP somewhere for later usage. |
| 20:29.26 | leonardo | maligor: worked here |
| 20:29.38 | leonardo | but was not with hp-setup |
| 20:29.58 | leonardo | was with printer configuration |
| 20:30.00 | leonardo | in gnome |
| 20:30.07 | leonardo | thanks for help me |
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| 20:31.41 | DawnLight | vlt: #ltsp know about these things |
| 20:33.53 | vlt | DawnLight: Thanks |
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| 20:37.30 | segfault- | from ##php |
| 20:37.38 | segfault- | i did a tell user about ubuntu |
| 20:37.44 | segfault- | this is what the bot said : |
| 20:37.46 | segfault- | <wolfybot> told Descention about ubuntu (an ancient african word that means "i dont know how to configure Debian" |
| 20:38.02 | segfault- | roflcopter :D |
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| 20:38.35 | consfearacy | lol |
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| 20:42.04 | mcgrof | I have a old debian unstable box I have sitting at home to which I just really left a lone for a *long* time |
| 20:42.43 | jelly-home | !start a distro war |
| 20:42.43 | dpkg | i guess start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
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| 20:42.50 | mcgrof | now, I want to upgrade apache2 but its telling me it wants linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 as it seems it was trying to install it and never finished (maybe I pulled the power off or something) |
| 20:43.14 | mcgrof | to try to install anything new though its asking for that package |
| 20:43.29 | mcgrof | I've tried messing with dpkg, like dpkg --forget-old-unvail |
| 20:43.31 | mcgrof | but no luck |
| 20:43.34 | mcgrof | any other tips? |
| 20:43.36 | jelly-home | mcgrof: how old was it? |
| 20:43.37 | segfault- | mcgrof, apt-get -f install |
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| 20:43.58 | mcgrof | jelly-home: heh, its on 2.6.16 days |
| 20:44.00 | jelly-home | mcgrof: the usual dpkg --configure -a; an update followed by what segfault- said |
| 20:44.00 | ross` | what's the package for python 2.4 |
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| 20:44.19 | valdyn | !info python |
| 20:44.21 | jelly-home | mcgrof: I'd put stable in sources.list then, do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:44.24 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-6 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 20:44.25 | mcgrof | segfault-: no luck with that either, tried with -m too |
| 20:44.29 | valdyn | !info python etch |
| 20:44.33 | mcgrof | jelly-home: tried that too, no luck :-P |
| 20:44.33 | segfault- | mcgrof, sed -e s/unstable/stable/g > /tmp/sources.tmp ; cat /tmp/sources.tmp > /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update |
| 20:44.35 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 20:44.44 | valdyn | mcgrof: ^^ |
| 20:44.55 | ross` | hmmm |
| 20:44.57 | abrotman | segfault-: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 20:44.58 | segfault- | mcgrof, give me a shell, i'll fix it =) |
| 20:45.03 | bolt | I added the wine repositories from http://winehq.org/site/download-deb, but I can't figure out how to pin them to a higher priority than my current repositories. I added the pinning lines from http://wiki.winehq.org/APTRepository, but they have no effect. Help? |
| 20:45.27 | valdyn | segfault-: dont ask for shell access |
| 20:45.37 | jelly-home | mcgrof: well then start with a pastebin of complete output of what happens with apt-get -f install after you have stable in sources.list |
| 20:45.39 | segfault- | abrotman, dude i'm getting sick of your instructions about what i can and what i can't, i gotten into adulthood a long time ago and i do not need you. |
| 20:45.39 | chronic1 | I made my own debian kernel using the `make-kpkg` command. If I just want to add a couple of modules will `make-kpkg` automatically install those for me without a need to reinstall the package via dpkg -i? |
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| 20:45.47 | segfault- | valdyn, it's for helping ffs |
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| 20:45.58 | mcgrof | segfault-: heh, much appreciated, I want to learn the inner working of this too though, so if you point me in the right direction I think I might be able to sort it out. What type of db does apt use for this? |
| 20:46.02 | valdyn | segfault-: I understand, its against this channels policy |
| 20:46.03 | abrotman | segfault-: then try to do something correct for once |
| 20:46.21 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg kernel_modules or so maybe |
| 20:46.26 | segfault- | abrotman, just GO FUCK YOURSELF AND FINALLY IGNORE ME AS YOU SAID YOU'LL DO |
| 20:46.28 | jelly-home | segfault-: you'll have an easier life if you follow the channel's written and unwritten rules |
| 20:46.31 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets |
| 20:46.38 | abrotman | segfault-: if you don't like it .. go away |
| 20:46.48 | ktwilight[m] | what's the command to output the current version of a package? |
| 20:46.50 | segfault- | abrotman, when you sentence something |
| 20:46.52 | segfault- | explain it |
| 20:46.55 | segfault- | or silence yourself |
| 20:47.02 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l packagename iirc |
| 20:47.02 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename iirc |
| 20:47.03 | valdyn | ktwilight[m]: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 20:47.04 | jetscreamer | or -L |
| 20:47.11 | abrotman | segfault-: you have serious anger issues |
| 20:47.27 | ktwilight[m] | hm, i asked the wrong question... |
| 20:47.27 | abrotman | mcgrof: which version of debian are you trying to run? |
| 20:47.28 | segfault- | abrotman, no, i have a morons issue. |
| 20:47.33 | jetscreamer | !praise abrotman's way with people |
| 20:47.38 | abrotman | segfault-: self-loather eh ? :) |
| 20:47.45 | segfault- | mcgrof, try to remove the faulty package & use deborphan. |
| 20:48.01 | segfault- | abrotman, still better than being a wanker. |
| 20:48.27 | valdyn | ktwilight[m]: did you try apt-cache policy ? |
| 20:48.32 | bolt | How can I figure out what I have to put in the Pin: statement in /etc/apt/preferences to pin a package to a specific repository I've added to apt? |
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| 20:48.46 | ktwilight[m] | valdyn, well, i know about dpkg -l, so that's not it |
| 20:48.54 | ktwilight[m] | i also know about apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 20:48.58 | valdyn | ktwilight[m]: read what i said above |
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| 20:49.01 | segfault- | abrotman, whatever you say right now anyway, if it's not explained, i'll treat it like if /dev/null was speaking to me. |
| 20:49.06 | mcgrof | jelly-home: the error is small, its : The package linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it |
| 20:49.13 | jetscreamer | bolt did you /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:49.19 | jetscreamer | or was it apt-pinning |
| 20:49.26 | abrotman | segfault-: i don't care what you do with regard to me .. try not to screw up other people's machines |
| 20:49.31 | jetscreamer | 22 died |
| 20:49.35 | jetscreamer | get it from pdo |
| 20:49.38 | valdyn | mcgrof: explicitely removing it should fix this |
| 20:49.39 | jetscreamer | or ado |
| 20:49.41 | abrotman | mcgrof: which version of Debian are you trying to run ? |
| 20:49.42 | jetscreamer | !ado |
| 20:49.42 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 20:49.46 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 20:49.46 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:49.50 | mcgrof | abrotman: unstable |
| 20:49.53 | ktwilight[m] | valdyn, and if i want to compare that with sid's version? i just need to have sid in my sources.list? |
| 20:49.58 | abrotman | mcgrof: and what is your current kernel `uname -a` |
| 20:50.00 | mcgrof | valdyn: I tried to remove it using dpkg |
| 20:50.14 | valdyn | ktwilight[m]: yes, or /msg dpkg or http://packages.debian.org |
| 20:50.16 | mcgrof | abrotman: 2.6.16-1-686 |
| 20:50.16 | segfault- | abrotman, doing an update of package list is not screwing people, i said update in the end not upgrade |
| 20:50.17 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
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| 20:50.26 | valdyn | mcgrof: no, use aptitude |
| 20:50.31 | segfault- | mcgrof, what is the version of debian on this box ? |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | mcgrof: your kernel is *very* out of date |
| 20:50.49 | jetscreamer | heh sarge? |
| 20:50.51 | ktwilight[m] | valdyn, using dpkg, what commands do i use? |
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| 20:51.02 | valdyn | ktwilight[m]: you cant use dpkg for this |
| 20:51.04 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge packagename |
| 20:51.06 | ktwilight[m] | uh, i meant /msg dpkg |
| 20:51.09 | ktwilight[m] | :) |
| 20:51.11 | abrotman | mcgrof: you can get that package from snapshot.debian.net or we can try to remove it |
| 20:51.15 | jetscreamer | dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:51.22 | mcgrof | segfault-: 4.0 |
| 20:51.23 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: etch while it was testing. |
| 20:51.29 | segfault- | jetscreamer, he tried that |
| 20:51.30 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:51.33 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: actually, he explicitely said it was a very old unstable |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | mcgrof: if your sources are pointing at unstable .. you're not runnign 4.0 |
| 20:51.39 | segfault- | mcgrof, tried to locate it on the local cache ? |
| 20:51.44 | valdyn | ktwilight[m]: ops, "/msg dpkg info <packagename> [debian_release_codename]", default is sid |
| 20:51.47 | mcgrof | abrotman: I know the kernel is old, I had the box sitting on a corner for a looong time hehe |
| 20:51.48 | segfault- | mcgrof, (in /var/cache/apt/archives) |
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| 20:52.00 | abrotman | segfault-: if it were there .. it'd be able to find it |
| 20:52.01 | mcgrof | abrotman: I haven't upgraded in ages |
| 20:52.02 | ktwilight[m] | valdyn, awesome! thanks! |
| 20:52.05 | jetscreamer | mcgrof: did you say you did apt-get update but not upgrade? change sources to stable |
| 20:52.10 | jelly-home | mcgrof: dpkg -l libc6 linux-image-2.6.22-1-686|tail -2 |
| 20:52.12 | abrotman | mcgrof: dpkg --configure -a .. says what ? |
| 20:52.14 | valdyn | mcgrof: this isnt even supposed to work |
| 20:52.17 | peleg | Many tex tutorials include the execution of pdfelatex. I have pdftex and pdflatex, but I don't have a bin file of pdfelatex (though I have pdfelatex.ini somewhere) - anyone, any idea where to find that file? |
| 20:52.20 | mcgrof | segfault-: I had already done apt-get clean, so all local packages are gone |
| 20:52.24 | ktwilight[m] | very nice. |
| 20:52.30 | segfault- | abrotman, you weren't the object of my message. |
| 20:52.41 | abrotman | useless ... |
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| 20:52.43 | jetscreamer | but he is the object of your desires |
| 20:52.44 | segfault- | mcgrof, runned deborphan ? |
| 20:52.45 | BrutusUnix | If I enter in CHOST, CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS in /etc/make.conf will this be applied with any application I build and install? |
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| 20:52.50 | jelly-home | segfault-: plz play nice with the ops |
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| 20:52.54 | valdyn | mcgrof: your system *might* upgrade cleanly to etch, if you are lucky |
| 20:52.59 | jim | ktwilight[m]: if you care to see a complete list of dpkg's little tricks... try typing dpkg --help into your shell |
| 20:52.59 | segfault- | jelly-home, same goes for you. |
| 20:53.15 | jetscreamer | if it was sid before etch, it should |
| 20:53.16 | ktwilight[m] | ah cool, thanks jim |
| 20:53.16 | jelly-home | segfault-: I'd like to think I am playing nice. |
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| 20:53.18 | mcgrof | segfault-: didn't know about it, lets see if I have it |
| 20:53.19 | abrotman | mcgrof: what is the output of `dpkg --configure -a` ? |
| 20:53.27 | mcgrof | abrotman: nothing, no output |
| 20:53.30 | abrotman | deborphan won't help either |
| 20:53.38 | ktwilight[m] | jim, hm, seems like i can't do e.g. help info |
| 20:53.39 | mcgrof | valdyn: heh, I tried to move to stable but no luck still the same error |
| 20:53.46 | ktwilight[m] | to get descriptions about info |
| 20:53.47 | jetscreamer | mcgrof: why not just do a clean install |
| 20:53.57 | mcgrof | jetscreamer: last resort measure, yeah... |
| 20:53.59 | peleg | Do you know how to ask the bot of this channel to look for a file/package? |
| 20:53.59 | jim | ktwilight[m]: not totally sure I understand |
| 20:54.00 | valdyn | mcgrof: you cant keep this system with just upgrading apache |
| 20:54.01 | segfault- | jelly-home, i had enough of 'play nice' for today coming from kids that doesn't even know whom they're speaking about and using rules that aren't in topic, if a rule isn't in a topic it's not to be applied. |
| 20:54.03 | jetscreamer | probably much quicker |
| 20:54.09 | mcgrof | I just was having fun and figured why not see if this can be fixed |
| 20:54.10 | jetscreamer | or about the same as an upgrade |
| 20:54.10 | valdyn | mcgrof: you need to get etch first |
| 20:54.15 | jetscreamer | with a netinstall |
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| 20:54.21 | valdyn | mcgrof: or stable, yes |
| 20:54.21 | chandor | BrutusUnix: debian is not gentoo |
| 20:54.28 | ktwilight[m] | jim, e.g. in irc, you do /msg nickserv help register, and it displays the help for the register command. dpkg can't do that. |
| 20:54.30 | abrotman | segfault-: when you join the channel .. it says this isn't #ubuntu .. and tells you to /msg dpkg guidelines .. try it |
| 20:54.32 | mcgrof | because I bitch about RPM and what a mess it can get into all the time, I want to see if these type of strange isseus can be fixed somehow heh. |
| 20:54.34 | jetscreamer | can't be very much valuable data if it's that old of an os? |
| 20:54.39 | jim | peleg: you could ask the bot (you can /msg dpkg whatever) but you can also go to http://packages.debian.org |
| 20:54.42 | segfault- | abrotman, same as before. |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | you can't read? |
| 20:54.55 | BrutusUnix | chandor yea, just trying to customize and install for the processor I have |
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| 20:54.57 | peleg | Jim: thanks. |
| 20:55.04 | wols_ | mcgrof: dpkg -r <whatever package that complaisn" won't work? |
| 20:55.04 | valdyn | mcgrof: do edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update, run apt-get dist-upgrade, tell us errors |
| 20:55.22 | jelly-home | segfault-: you're telling an op to GFY... doesn't warrant an explicit rule in my book. |
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| 20:55.26 | jetscreamer | mcgrof: what valdyn said, then |
| 20:55.28 | abrotman | mcgrof: dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image-2.6.22 |
| 20:55.30 | segfault- | abrotman, while (abrotman == is_useless_speaking) do repeat last_message; |
| 20:55.34 | jim | if you want to talk to dpkg at length, two choices, you can /query it and you can join #debian-bots |
| 20:55.38 | wols_ | !gentosmite BrutusUnix |
| 20:55.49 | valdyn | wols_: hes mixing todays unstable packages with pre-etch unstable |
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| 20:55.50 | mcgrof | valdyn: the error is the same, it says: The package linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 needs to be reinstalled, bu I can't find an arvhive for it |
| 20:56.07 | jetscreamer | mcgrof: go to pdo d/l the package dpkg -i it manually |
| 20:56.12 | jim | segfault-: how many people are on this channel? |
| 20:56.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's not there |
| 20:56.13 | segfault- | jelly-home, so ?, if someone SHOUT on you, you anwer the ay you want. |
| 20:56.13 | jetscreamer | problem solved |
| 20:56.16 | wols_ | valdyn: yes. and some packages are now fucked up. so the first order of business is remove the bad ones to make apt happy again |
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| 20:56.21 | valdyn | mcgrof: ok, what jetwscreamer sais |
| 20:56.27 | valdyn | wols_: ok, yep |
| 20:56.28 | wols_ | valdyn: afer that, do the dist upgrade to etc as you suggested |
| 20:56.32 | mcgrof | abrotman: on the right column it says deinstall |
| 20:56.38 | segfault- | jim, you'll notice thee is only 2 persons being ... what they are. |
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| 20:56.54 | alturiak | hmm... can anyone recommend a PIM for linux which features emails, contacts, calendar, todo and syncing to mobile devices? :-) |
| 20:56.58 | mcgrof | jetscreamer: I tried google'ing for the package before coming here but no luck |
| 20:56.59 | mcgrof | hehe |
| 20:57.02 | abrotman | mcgrof: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 .. what's the version number ? |
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| 20:57.05 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.22&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 20:57.10 | jetscreamer | 2.6.22-3? |
| 20:57.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's not there |
| 20:57.13 | wols_ | segfault-: pretty much anything with half a clue about #debian says you are a moron and a troll. deal with it. fyi: many more than 2 |
| 20:57.14 | abrotman | he's on -1- |
| 20:57.16 | jetscreamer | ah -1 |
| 20:57.28 | bolt | jetscreamer: i have, and I've tried providing Pin: release o=winehq and Pin: release l=winehq, since that's the origin and label listed in http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/dists/etch/Release. It has no effect on the result of apt-cache policy wine though |
| 20:57.28 | jim | segfault-: if there are say 10 people on the channel, what does that do to server load? when you send one line, the server has to send ? lines |
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| 20:58.23 | Adys | What's the best (terms of speed and security) ftp server to run on a Debian server? |
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| 20:58.34 | mcgrof | abrotman: it says, version table: *** 2.6.22-3 0 then new line and then it has 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 20:58.39 | wols_ | Adys: none. use ssh |
| 20:58.42 | segfault- | wols_, i pretty much don't dare since i do not get my life & choice of doing what i want based on a "i'm saying something, obey". |
| 20:58.44 | abrotman | mcgrof: and the Installed ? |
| 20:58.48 | jim | Adys: any ftp server suffers from the fact that passwords are sent in cleartext |
| 20:58.49 | krim | Adys: vsftpd is supposed to be the most secure... apparently |
| 20:58.50 | bush | ftp != security |
| 20:58.56 | mcgrof | abrotman: Installed: 2.6.22-3 |
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| 20:59.16 | Adys | wols_: Yeah I know, but I have to use ftp in this case :p |
| 20:59.17 | jim | plus ftp isn't all that good of a protocol given it needs two ports instead of one |
| 20:59.17 | abrotman | mcgrof: so you're running 2.6.16 .. you have 2.6.22 installed ? |
| 20:59.21 | mcgrof | jetscreamer: sthanks for the link |
| 20:59.21 | segfault- | jim, what are you trying to prove ?. |
| 20:59.28 | jelly-home | segfault-: whatever, have it your way. You're going to get silenced and I think you have something to offer. |
| 20:59.29 | wols_ | Adys: zse vsftpd then |
| 20:59.29 | Adys | krim: thanks, been using it so far - i see its not been updated since summer 2006 tho :/ |
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| 20:59.37 | mcgrof | abrotman: hehe, I think the install for that package didn't complete |
| 20:59.40 | mcgrof | let me check the /boot/ dir |
| 20:59.41 | Adys | Aight cheers all |
| 20:59.42 | segfault- | mcgrof, tried to remove the package with --force option ? |
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| 21:00.00 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 21:00.02 | wols_ | mcgrof: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 21:00.07 | krim | Adys: version 2.0.6 was released this month. |
| 21:00.12 | mcgrof | abrotman: nothing of 2.6.22 in /boot/ |
| 21:00.13 | jetscreamer | why don't you just boot a different kernel and nuke that package |
| 21:00.17 | Adys | seriously? |
| 21:00.21 | messju | hi. since I upgraded clamav the /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl socket is gone. is this a known problem? (I'm running debian etch here) |
| 21:00.23 | segfault- | jelly-home, all i want is that he ignore me like he said he will, i'm not speaking to him and i do not want anything from him |
| 21:00.30 | krim | Adys: Yes. |
| 21:00.33 | segfault- | jelly-home, isn't that's clear ? |
| 21:00.41 | jim | segfault-: that when you send lines here, you need to be cognizant of whether most of the 800 people here are interested in what you have to say... most of them are here to understand/hear about debian; any argument you have with an op isn't all that interesting to most of the people here. |
| 21:00.42 | mcgrof | wols_: right, 2.6.22-1-686 comes out there |
| 21:00.44 | krim | Adys: check the website |
| 21:00.45 | wols_ | messju: and it's a debian etch clamav? |
| 21:00.46 | jetscreamer | segfault-: seriously, who cares.. just /ignore whoever |
| 21:00.50 | Adys | wow i installed it two weeks ago |
| 21:00.56 | segfault- | jim, and ? |
| 21:00.56 | messju | wols_: yep, everything from apt |
| 21:00.57 | wols_ | mcgrof: there is more than that. full line for it |
| 21:00.59 | mcgrof | jetscreamer: I cannot nuke the package, its in some strange state |
| 21:01.04 | wols_ | messju: that's not what I asked |
| 21:01.13 | mcgrof | segfault-: yes, I tried to remove it with force options using dpkg |
| 21:01.22 | wols_ | mcgrof: and what happens? |
| 21:01.24 | jim | segfault-: and you're asking for something that you may or may not get, because you cannot control what another does. |
| 21:01.34 | jetscreamer | did you try --force-all |
| 21:01.47 | mcgrof | wols_: rHR |
| 21:01.52 | jetscreamer | you don't really want to do that to a running kernel imo but i dunno |
| 21:01.56 | segfault- | jim, if people are not used to irc authoritarists especially on geeky channels, then they're not on what they expected. |
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| 21:02.06 | mcgrof | jetscreamer: yeap, I did |
| 21:02.09 | wols_ | mcgrof: something doesn't add up. and this is NOT the full line |
| 21:02.09 | mcgrof | oh wait |
| 21:02.11 | messju | wols_: Version: 0.90.1dfsg-3etch10 |
| 21:02.15 | mcgrof | I don't think I tried force-all |
| 21:02.27 | jim | given that my messages aren't of interest to everyone, I'll take them out-of-band. if/as/when you talk to me here about this, I will reply to you in priv msg. |
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| 21:02.42 | jetscreamer | !love jim |
| 21:02.44 | mcgrof | yay |
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| 21:02.47 | jetscreamer | !comfort jim |
| 21:02.47 | dpkg | There, there, jim. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:02.48 | segfault- | mcgrof, what is the status of the package ? |
| 21:02.49 | mcgrof | I think that worked |
| 21:02.55 | mcgrof | segfault-: it was rHR |
| 21:03.02 | wols_ | mcgrof: what is the current one? |
| 21:03.04 | dimsuz | is it safe to mount my partitions with "noatime" mount option? or should I expect some "surprises"? :) |
| 21:03.19 | segfault- | mcgrof, i was half on the proper way :) |
| 21:03.28 | BrutusUnix | what do I need to do in apt to get flashplayer? |
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| 21:03.30 | mcgrof | ok sweet, dpkg --remove --force-all linux-image-2.6.22-1 did the job |
| 21:03.41 | mcgrof | segfault-: yeah, you were |
| 21:03.43 | valdyn | dimsuz: its ok for most things |
| 21:03.44 | jetscreamer | BrutusUnix: contrib non-free and marillat's |
| 21:03.44 | bolt | jetscreamer: any ideas? |
| 21:03.49 | mcgrof | IIRC the --force-all is not documented |
| 21:03.53 | segfault- | mcgrof, don't forget to install a new one unless you want to have a box not booting :D |
| 21:04.10 | jetscreamer | mcgrof: dpkg --force-help |
| 21:04.17 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 21:04.19 | mcgrof | yeap, --force-all not in dpkg man page |
| 21:04.25 | mcgrof | jetscreamer: heh.. thanks, ok |
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| 21:04.46 | mcgrof | what type of db does dpkg use? BDB? |
| 21:04.50 | jetscreamer | bolt: i did pinning once about 2 years ago... iirc i think it worked |
| 21:04.51 | mcgrof | and where is the db file? |
| 21:05.04 | mcgrof | I was considering going in a changing things manually before :-P |
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| 21:05.10 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/something... or /var/cache/something |
| 21:05.14 | xingu | dimsuz: last thing I saw that was atime-sensitive was inn, and that was a while back now... |
| 21:05.18 | netdaemon | any reason why the libGL.so symlink is not created? |
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| 21:05.34 | jim | mcgrof: you mean for the database of installed packages? it's basically an ad hoc text database |
| 21:05.35 | jetscreamer | netdaemon: it's not a symlink with xorg, just nvidia and ati afaik |
| 21:05.43 | mcgrof | lets see if this works :D |
| 21:05.43 | valdyn | netdaemon: why would it be? |
| 21:05.43 | netdaemon | hm |
| 21:05.48 | jetscreamer | it's a file |
| 21:05.49 | segfault- | mcgrof, flat text files iirc, and they are on /var/list something |
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| 21:05.54 | xingu | jetscreamer: and mesa afaik |
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| 21:05.56 | dimsuz_ | oops. reconnect. if someone answered me, please repeat |
| 21:05.58 | mcgrof | jim: oh, no I mean for the db of package status, and stuff like that |
| 21:06.07 | jetscreamer | [15.05.49] <xingu> dimsuz: last thing I saw that was atime-sensitive was inn, and that was a while back now... |
| 21:06.10 | netdaemon | well a friend of mine said his was already made, i'm just wondering if i have anything missing |
| 21:06.27 | valdyn | netdaemon: its made by the -dev package, but you dont need it to run programs |
| 21:06.29 | xingu | jetscreamer: which in recent xorg is probably a dep since glx went into it |
| 21:06.30 | netdaemon | libgl1-mesa-dev <---that file is installed |
| 21:06.31 | jim | mcgrof: it'll work if you're upgrading; downgrading is unsupported (but works for simple packages) |
| 21:06.35 | segfault- | mcgrof, warning: do a simple upgrade before a dist-upgrade |
| 21:06.41 | dimsuz_ | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 21:06.47 | jetscreamer | netdaemon: that symlink (and maybe others) is how xorg breaks the nvidia-installer (and ati i guess) |
| 21:06.52 | netdaemon | valdyn, i'm trying to build mumble right now |
| 21:07.01 | mcgrof | segfault-: thanks, I'll try that |
| 21:07.03 | netdaemon | ah, so thats why its not made |
| 21:07.05 | dimsuz_ | xingu: sorry, lack of my good English :) what do you mean by "was inn"? :) |
| 21:07.14 | mcgrof | its saying I don't have PGP key |
| 21:07.21 | jetscreamer | mcgrof: /topic |
| 21:07.22 | mcgrof | is there a way to install it using apt? |
| 21:07.25 | mcgrof | thanks |
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| 21:07.46 | segfault- | mcgrof, if the version is 4.0 anyway you'll not have alot to do |
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| 21:08.03 | jim | mcgrof: what dist are you coming from? |
| 21:08.18 | jetscreamer | think of it as etch beta |
| 21:08.21 | segfault- | mcgrof, think so, but you can also use gpg --receive-key |
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| 21:08.30 | jim | so it's a prerelease etch? |
| 21:08.32 | segfault- | mcgrof, or install debian keyring |
| 21:08.32 | netdaemon | jetscreamer, that would make since, my buddy uses the binary from the nvidia site for his driver |
| 21:08.40 | dabreegster | On lenny, every time I restart xorg by logging out of xdm or ctrl+alt+backspace, the screen gets broked, my cursor disappears, and no keys work. Which package should I consult for bug reports on this? |
| 21:08.44 | netdaemon | and i imagine that would place that symlink |
| 21:08.51 | dabreegster | It's not xdm since gdm used to do the same thing |
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| 21:09.17 | jetscreamer | dabreegster: see if vga=normal helps |
| 21:09.26 | mcgrof | segfault-: sweet thanks, yeah I was hoping I would be able to just not-reinstalla and fix this mess manually. It seems like it so far! |
| 21:09.37 | dabreegster | jetscreamer: an xorg option? |
| 21:09.50 | jetscreamer | dabreegster: no, boottime/grub menu.lst |
| 21:10.02 | dabreegster | jetscreamer: ok, thanks. i'll try it out |
| 21:10.04 | segfault- | mcgrof, the pgp keys were an issue in freezing state iirc// |
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| 21:10.13 | segfault- | s/ // / / |
| 21:10.16 | segfault- | oups |
| 21:10.20 | segfault- | wrong chan |
| 21:10.28 | jetscreamer | the keys are a warning, it will still function/install/upgrade |
| 21:10.29 | segfault- | sorry |
| 21:10.39 | mcgrof | ok beign fair, I guess the main issue I've seen with RPM is not the db they use or format of stuff, its just the damn lack of lots amount of packages and the need for people to seek external packages from strange sites |
| 21:10.48 | mcgrof | I wonder if things have gotten better with fedora |
| 21:10.49 | segfault- | jetscreamer, i'm not sure about that, i had softwares that refused to install iirc :/ |
| 21:11.19 | mcgrof | segfault-: freezing state? as in for the next release of debian? |
| 21:11.19 | segfault- | mcgrof, don't mention another distro than debian, the gurus will else give you 100 years of damnation |
| 21:11.26 | jetscreamer | centos, mcgrof |
| 21:11.27 | jelly-home | mcgrof: well, Dag Wieers repo is nice. |
| 21:11.27 | mcgrof | oh :-P |
| 21:11.33 | segfault- | mcgrof, as in for the pre-release of etch :D |
| 21:11.34 | jim | mcgrof: I would advance that the availability of software from outside sources is a form of freedom |
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| 21:11.56 | jim | mcgrof: and it's in common to any linux and any unix |
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| 21:12.05 | MrRoland | hey, question: is there any emulation software like qemu to emulate something via ssh ? I have no X |
| 21:12.23 | jetscreamer | what you say? |
| 21:12.30 | jim | do you want an X? |
| 21:12.40 | jelly-home | !wayttd MrRoland |
| 21:12.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, MrRoland? |
| 21:12.42 | jim | (just break up with someone :) |
| 21:12.46 | jetscreamer | what are you trying to emulate maybe |
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| 21:12.55 | jetscreamer | !emulate abrotman |
| 21:12.55 | MrRoland | no no it's an webserver and I would like a virtual machine built in but I have no X window system |
| 21:13.00 | mcgrof | jim: sure, but if I would also argue that if you're software is good and a lot of people should use it, distributions should package it themselves. |
| 21:13.08 | abrotman | MrRoland: but what do you want the virtual machine to do ? |
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| 21:13.23 | MrRoland | run debian ? :P |
| 21:13.25 | jim | mcgrof: there is that, and debian has an awful lot of packages |
| 21:13.26 | jetscreamer | your |
| 21:13.26 | MrRoland | backup MX |
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| 21:13.43 | mcgrof | jim: sometimes some software is package not by the authors of the original software but by third-party users who just want to get things to work and sometimes.. they do a not-so-good job in dealing with dependencies or maintaining it |
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| 21:13.54 | mcgrof | jim: ACK, and hence why I <3 debian |
| 21:14.04 | abrotman | MrRoland: you could use qemu in a bridge setting and set it up (qemu has an option to render in ncurses) .. |
| 21:14.32 | MrRoland | so I can use qemu to start another virtual machine via remote ssh, right? |
| 21:14.56 | abrotman | MrRoland: i've installed win2k in qemu on a remote machine |
| 21:15.19 | MrRoland | do you know any doc/tutorials about it ? |
| 21:15.48 | abrotman | MrRoland: you'll have to google for the qemu bridging stuff .. the rest you should be able to get from the qemu docs |
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| 21:15.59 | MrRoland | alright thank you |
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| 21:16.50 | MrRoland | and btw I failed to install debian at home |
| 21:16.58 | MrRoland | problems using nvidia geforce 8600 gts |
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| 21:17.04 | mcgrof | haha, I still can't believe this worked :) |
| 21:17.12 | abrotman | that's an X problem .. |
| 21:17.16 | MrRoland | yeah |
| 21:17.19 | mcgrof | so far, /me crosses fingers |
| 21:17.30 | MrRoland | everything just fails :P |
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| 21:19.19 | bolt | I pasted the output of "apt-cache policy wine", "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf", "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "cat /etc/apt/preferences" here: http://pastebin.com/m9508cb8 ... could someone please take a look at it and tell me why wine isn't getting 999 pin-priority from winehq as I specified? |
| 21:19.47 | jetscreamer | MrRoland: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt change stuff |
| 21:20.34 | MrRoland | yes easy but the problem is: the screen went blank :) |
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| 21:20.48 | abrotman | MrRoland: how did you install the nvidia stuff? |
| 21:20.57 | jetscreamer | MrRoland: ctrl alt F1 |
| 21:21.08 | jetscreamer | MrRoland: or boot single |
| 21:21.17 | jetscreamer | MrRoland: or disable/remove gdm |
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| 21:21.20 | jetscreamer | et al |
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| 21:21.59 | dabreegster | vga=normal didn't help. I tried launching xdm from a normal VT instead of within screen, no difference. What else could affect xorg not restarting properly? |
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| 21:22.16 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i don't think he did. i think he just installed debian. |
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| 21:22.40 | peleg | Ok, I try and I try and I just can't find pdfelatex... I have found pdflatex and pdftex, and even pdfetex, but not pdfelatex. I really need it; any advice where to look? |
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| 21:23.40 | valdyn | peleg: you dont need it |
| 21:24.08 | valdyn | peleg: "latex" already does it |
| 21:24.18 | leonardo | my memory card gate is not working in my lenovo notebook. how make this work |
| 21:24.29 | peleg | valdyn: why? many tutorials have said that I need it... I get low quality PDFs, and I thought it might be the reason. |
| 21:24.40 | valdyn | peleg: the tutorials are just a little old |
| 21:24.48 | peleg | (I am trying to make it true-type) |
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| 21:24.50 | valdyn | peleg: add \pdfoutput=1 on top |
| 21:24.56 | dabreegster | I'm not using proprietary drivers or anything. the xserver-xorg-video-ati package. |
| 21:25.00 | valdyn | peleg: and you will get perfectly fine pdf |
| 21:25.19 | peleg | valdyn: I am using lyx; should I add a costume tex command? |
| 21:25.34 | leonardo | how make my memory card gate work with debian |
| 21:25.37 | valdyn | peleg: probably, i dont know lyx |
| 21:25.49 | peleg | valdyn: I see. do you use TTF ? |
| 21:25.57 | abrotman | !br |
| 21:25.57 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:26.08 | jim | mcgrof: maybe you want to learn to package things that don't yet have packagings |
| 21:26.12 | valdyn | peleg: i dont even use latex regularily |
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| 21:26.16 | edistar_ | leonardo: 'lspci', then google the device+debian |
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| 21:26.26 | peleg | valdyn: I see, thanks... |
| 21:26.29 | jetscreamer | actually there's a webpage |
| 21:26.33 | valdyn | peleg: try this.. pdflatex is integrated in tex live. |
| 21:26.34 | jetscreamer | i forget the factoid |
| 21:26.37 | peleg | any regular tex user here? |
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| 21:26.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: for what? |
| 21:27.00 | jetscreamer | !which driver |
| 21:27.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 21:27.00 | jetscreamer | that |
| 21:27.00 | GuilhermeBrant | Flash in iceweasel doesn't work,has anybody had the same problem? |
| 21:27.00 | peleg | valdyn: but I have pdflatex... what should I try? |
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| 21:27.15 | valdyn | peleg: it doesnt make a difference to using the command i told you |
| 21:27.16 | GuilhermeBrant | I've already downloaded and installed it |
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| 21:27.28 | leonardo | edistar_: lspci didn't work on termoinal |
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| 21:27.31 | leonardo | terminal |
| 21:27.49 | peleg | valdyn: yes, but should I use tex-live to check that? I didn't understand. |
| 21:27.54 | krim | Is there any difference between iceweasel and icecat? |
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| 21:28.05 | jetscreamer | leonardo: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 21:28.24 | edistar_ | leonardo: what does it tell you? |
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| 21:28.35 | jetscreamer | leonardo: then do update-pciids |
| 21:28.44 | leonardo | now worked |
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| 21:29.19 | jim | krim: one's more weasely than the other! |
| 21:30.24 | leonardo | jetscreamer |
| 21:30.25 | leonardo | : |
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| 21:30.31 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 21:30.34 | leonardo | i did this but nothing |
| 21:30.42 | jetscreamer | ok.. |
| 21:30.51 | jetscreamer | so dist-upgrade had nothing to do? |
| 21:31.06 | leonardo | no |
| 21:31.14 | leonardo | nothing to do |
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| 21:31.36 | jetscreamer | leonardo: aptitude install pciutils |
| 21:31.51 | jetscreamer | !info pciutils |
| 21:31.55 | dpkg | pciutils: (Linux PCI Utilities), section admin, is standard. Version: 1:2.2.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 704 kB |
| 21:32.01 | leonardo | will see |
| 21:32.21 | jetscreamer | should be already installed though |
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| 21:32.32 | jetscreamer | might not be in your path? |
| 21:32.37 | jetscreamer | are you using gdm? |
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| 21:33.04 | leonardo | -su: !info: event not found |
| 21:33.09 | leonardo | i use gdm |
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| 21:33.37 | fluoblack | hi everybody! |
| 21:33.51 | Maulkin | Hi Dr Nick! |
| 21:33.59 | leonardo | with aptitude install pciutils no packages weere updated or installed |
| 21:34.01 | jetscreamer | gdm changes your path. you might need to supply the full path.. /usr/bin/lspci maybe... not sure |
| 21:34.18 | jetscreamer | leonardo: that is probably because it's already installed |
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| 21:34.34 | leonardo | so |
| 21:34.37 | leonardo | what to do |
| 21:34.44 | jetscreamer | locate lspci |
| 21:34.50 | jetscreamer | then supply the path |
| 21:34.51 | fluoblack | can someone help me to set up a rsync command via ssh, I never used this program and I have a hard time with the syntax |
| 21:34.58 | jetscreamer | locate lspci|grep bin |
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| 21:35.06 | edistar_ | leonardo: try running it as root? |
| 21:35.17 | leonardo | lspci works |
| 21:35.29 | leonardo | i see it |
| 21:35.40 | leonardo | the driver is richo |
| 21:35.54 | leonardo | ricoh |
| 21:35.55 | edistar_ | so now you can look up the device |
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| 21:36.13 | jetscreamer | !which driver |
| 21:36.14 | dpkg | i heard driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
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| 21:36.39 | GuilhermeBrant | Sorry,I just asked it,but my IRC client closed.I've already installed adobe-flash e the flash-mozilla packages...But I still can't watch flash movies in iceweasel,it says I have to install flash |
| 21:37.12 | edistar_ | GuilhermeBrant: follow it's instructions! |
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| 21:37.25 | edistar_ | s/it's/its |
| 21:37.26 | leonardo | ricoh |
| 21:37.48 | leonardo | jetscreamer: ricoh |
| 21:37.55 | mcgrof | jim: I already have packaged a few things for debian but I was a lousy maintainer, so just try to work on software instead :P |
| 21:37.56 | GuilhermeBrant | edistar_ wich instructions? |
| 21:38.04 | alex2222 | hello i want make a server game what is better for me Ubuntu Debian or OpenSuse ? |
| 21:38.20 | abrotman | alex2222: you're in #debian .. we're going to tell you Debian |
| 21:38.40 | alex2222 | :P |
| 21:38.46 | jetscreamer | alex2222: the one you can administer better |
| 21:38.58 | bopols | hello, where can i put a script that gets executed whenever a new ip is assigned to my gateway. |
| 21:39.00 | bopols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.01 | jetscreamer | or, the one with the best help |
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| 21:39.07 | alex2222 | ty all |
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| 21:39.27 | edistar_ | GuilhermeBrant: iceweasel instructions |
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| 21:40.33 | delmonico | hi. whats the best place to store an ssl certificate thats going to be used by several services? /etc/ssl/perms is intended for ca certificates I think |
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| 21:44.25 | leonardo | jetscreamer: i tried this but didn't work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636867 any idea |
| 21:44.37 | jim | alex2222: either is fine. you should choose yourself |
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| 21:45.04 | leonardo | only this worked on terminal First of all you must unload sdhci module with this code |
| 21:45.06 | leonardo | Code: |
| 21:45.06 | leonardo | sudo modprobe -rv sdhci mmc_core mmc_block |
| 21:45.14 | jim | delmonico: somewhere where all of the "several services" would have access to |
| 21:45.27 | jim | at minimum, read access |
| 21:46.00 | bolt | I pasted the output of "apt-cache policy wine", "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf", "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "cat /etc/apt/preferences" here: http://pastebin.com/m9508cb8 ... could someone please take a look at it and tell me why wine isn't getting 999 pin-priority from winehq as I specified? |
| 21:46.10 | abrotman | leonardo: and what was the error ? |
| 21:46.59 | leonardo | abrotman: debian:~# sudo setpci -s 07:09.2 0xCA=0x57 |
| 21:47.01 | leonardo | setpci: Warning: No devices selected for `0xCA=0x57'. |
| 21:47.01 | leonardo | debian:~# sudo setcpi -s 07:09.1 0xCB=0x02 |
| 21:47.01 | leonardo | sudo: setcpi: command not found |
| 21:47.01 | leonardo | debian:~# sudo setpci -s 07:09.1 0xCA=0x00 |
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| 21:47.20 | abrotman | he's already root ... |
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| 21:47.56 | delmonico | jim: sure :) just thought there is a "good" way to do it, like a standard place |
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| 21:48.56 | jetscreamer | wonder if he has sudo installed |
| 21:49.11 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
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| 21:49.21 | GuilhermeBrant | Didn't find the instructions to install flash in iceweasel |
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| 21:49.29 | jetscreamer | try sources |
| 21:49.30 | stoned | estern union doesn't work in konqueror |
| 21:49.32 | stoned | hah |
| 21:49.37 | stoned | western* |
| 21:49.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 21:49.55 | stoned | GuilhermeBrant: /msg dpkg flash |
| 21:49.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just installed 2.6.24.1 from sid |
| 21:50.00 | jetscreamer | stoned: try the konq useragent swithcher thing |
| 21:50.05 | stoned | jetscreamer: i know |
| 21:50.08 | GuilhermeBrant | i've done it already |
| 21:50.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | For some reason, nVidia's blob refuses to be installed properly with the new kernel |
| 21:50.09 | jetscreamer | o |
| 21:50.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please give me a hand? |
| 21:50.25 | edistar_ | jetstreamer: i suppose not, as it isn't standard..he tried to run '!info <command' in the shell as you could see from his paste.. |
| 21:50.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Here's the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log http://pastebin.ca/906653 |
| 21:50.30 | jetscreamer | Dark_Apostrophe: http://linux-hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 21:50.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | stoned: That's an old joke... |
| 21:50.40 | jetscreamer | err |
| 21:50.45 | jetscreamer | Dark_Apostrophe: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 21:50.46 | jim | delmonico: well one thing, debian packaging "owns" certain areas, like /usr (but not /usr/local), /etc, /var... so maybe those are not good places because it's possible for debian packages to replace/remove them |
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| 21:50.57 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 21:50.57 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:51.00 | leonardo | sorry was disconnected |
| 21:51.07 | jetscreamer | you were kicked |
| 21:51.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: don't do that |
| 21:51.10 | jetscreamer | for pasting |
| 21:51.14 | jetscreamer | i will do that |
| 21:51.23 | jetscreamer | until you have a better way |
| 21:51.24 | leonardo | oh i didnt't know |
| 21:51.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: how about not doing that.. |
| 21:51.45 | jetscreamer | ok no more !br's... |
| 21:51.53 | abrotman | you know what i mean |
| 21:52.04 | leonardo | so any idea about the problem |
| 21:52.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | jetscreamer: The same version worked fine with 2.6.22 |
| 21:52.19 | jetscreamer | seriously, i've thought about what you say. i don't see debian's method as functional or intuituve at all. |
| 21:52.36 | jetscreamer | err intuitive |
| 21:53.05 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's fine .. then you're responsible for supporting everyone that uses your method |
| 21:53.27 | jetscreamer | i need to make it a lot more idiot proof, i agree |
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| 21:54.34 | edistar_ | jetscreamer:whats your method? |
| 21:54.37 | jetscreamer | but when done properly, and it's not all that hard, in 3 minutes you're up and running |
| 21:54.39 | jetscreamer | that link |
| 21:54.59 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and the next time your kernel or X gets updated ? |
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| 21:55.07 | jetscreamer | you redo the command |
| 21:55.18 | jetscreamer | actually i just run the script again |
| 21:55.54 | jetscreamer | i might see what chattr on the syimlink does, come to think of it : |
| 21:55.57 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:56.11 | jetscreamer | but only for personal use |
| 21:57.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | jetscreamer: Thanks for that link, it worked |
| 21:57.46 | abrotman | and next time he updates his kernel or X .. down it goes .. |
| 21:58.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yep, I know, abrotman |
| 21:58.29 | bolt | I pasted the output of "apt-cache policy wine", "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf", "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "cat /etc/apt/preferences" here: http://pastebin.com/m9508cb8 ... could someone please take a look at it and tell me why wine isn't getting 999 pin-priority from winehq as I specified? |
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| 21:59.36 | abrotman | bolt: is the release really "wine" ? |
| 21:59.46 | abrotman | eh .. ignore |
| 22:00.05 | jetscreamer | pardon |
| 22:00.09 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 22:00.09 | dpkg | [apt-pinning] read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
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| 22:00.25 | bolt | abrotman: the package is wine, the label and origin, as stated in the Release file, is winehq. I can't get why it isn't affecting the policies. |
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| 22:00.56 | abrotman | bolt: that's why i said ignore :) |
| 22:01.17 | bolt | jetscreamer: I have, afaik, done it exactly as the apt_preferences manpage states. |
| 22:01.25 | abrotman | i still don't think you're doing it quite right |
| 22:01.31 | jetscreamer | bolt: no that was for me |
| 22:01.36 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 22:01.37 | bolt | jetscreamer: and my other, similar pins, have no problems |
| 22:03.17 | bolt | abrotman: the example at http://wiki.winehq.org/APTRepository says I should put "Pin: release l=WineHQ APT Repository", but that had no effect, so I looked at the releases file and that says the label is "winehq". That has no effect either, though. |
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| 22:03.49 | abrotman | bolt: tried asking #winehq ? |
| 22:04.26 | bolt | abrotman: nope. didn't know it existed. however, apt-pinning should be quite universal, shouldn't it? |
| 22:04.54 | abrotman | bolt: but they'd know if their wiki was wrong |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | looks like bolt stole jetscreamer's sources |
| 22:05.29 | bolt | ? |
| 22:05.38 | jetscreamer | not mine |
| 22:05.55 | jetscreamer | i haven't tried apt-pinning for at least a year |
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| 22:06.05 | abrotman | bolt: maybe try origin instead of l= |
| 22:06.24 | bolt | abrotman: i did. no effect with that either |
| 22:06.32 | jetscreamer | i think i was trying to pin experimental though :) |
| 22:07.03 | jetscreamer | i am so frickin BORED |
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| 22:08.03 | jim | I really want to go out and get a RME hammerfall setup... I'd like to hear from people who own them and especially had trouble |
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| 22:08.37 | bolt | jetscreamer: help me figure out pinning then? :) |
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| 22:11.10 | yy | is 0 an invalid gid? |
| 22:11.17 | MrRoland | nope |
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| 22:11.34 | abrotman | yy: that is root's group |
| 22:11.44 | DawnLight | root rulez |
| 22:12.03 | MrRoland | root is th3 shlt |
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| 22:12.23 | MrRoland | root can do ANYTHING |
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| 22:12.57 | aMoRPHeouS | haha |
| 22:12.58 | DawnLight | can't grab your balls and squeeze, can it? |
| 22:13.01 | leonardo | i installed libccid to see if memory stick works |
| 22:13.03 | leonardo | but nothing |
| 22:13.14 | leonardo | the driver is ricoh |
| 22:13.22 | aMoRPHeouS | Do I need to install something extra in order to get mp3 support? |
| 22:13.27 | leonardo | searched on google but no information |
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| 22:13.55 | DawnLight | leonardo: ahm... do you know how to mount stuff? |
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| 22:14.04 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: in what? |
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| 22:14.23 | leonardo | dawnlight: i don't know |
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| 22:14.35 | leonardo | do i really need libccid or no |
| 22:15.02 | yy | Where would I look in the files to see of a client machine saw/connected to LDAP (sorry, #ldap is a ghosttown) |
| 22:15.02 | leonardo | How to mount stuff |
| 22:16.02 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: xmms2, rhytmbox... anything |
| 22:16.10 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: nope .. mp3 should work just fine |
| 22:16.14 | jim | how to mount? first you climb on... |
| 22:16.24 | aMoRPHeouS | strange. nothing plays in any of my players |
| 22:16.30 | leonardo | jim: didn't understand |
| 22:16.39 | jim | never mind ;) |
| 22:17.00 | jim | first, what is your concept of what a mount is? |
| 22:17.01 | edistar_ | leonardo: you don't really expect to have everything automagically mounted, do you? man mount |
| 22:17.15 | craigevil | aMoRPHeouS: try installing ffmpeg if you dont already have it installed or the various gstreamer plugins |
| 22:17.19 | leonardo | i thought yes |
| 22:17.24 | leonardo | what i need to do |
| 22:17.24 | jim | and your concept of what it is, to mount |
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| 22:17.33 | aMoRPHeouS | ok craigevil |
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| 22:17.56 | tristezo2k | Hello averybody |
| 22:18.03 | tristezo2k | I have the following issue |
| 22:18.04 | edistar_ | leonardo:'man mount' |
| 22:18.14 | tristezo2k | I can dig google.com @192.168.22.1 |
| 22:18.23 | tristezo2k | but if I dig google.com |
| 22:18.27 | tristezo2k | does not work |
| 22:18.30 | tristezo2k | even if |
| 22:18.31 | leonardo | edistar_:will add |
| 22:18.36 | tristezo2k | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:18.39 | internat85 | does ur /etc/resolv.conf have 192.168.22.1? |
| 22:18.47 | tristezo2k | has a nameserver 192.168.22.1 |
| 22:18.51 | tristezo2k | yes... |
| 22:18.55 | tristezo2k | it is strange... |
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| 22:19.05 | jim | can you ping 192.168.22.1 |
| 22:19.13 | chandor | bolt: line #20 => 990 (man apt_preferences) |
| 22:19.14 | tristezo2k | yes, It works, and pings |
| 22:19.22 | DawnLight | i like backporting packages |
| 22:19.41 | edistar_ | tristezo2k: gateway maybe? |
| 22:19.44 | jim | is nameserver 192.168.22.1 the -first- line that has nameserver? |
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| 22:19.56 | DawnLight | i'm backporting the wengophone package... fun |
| 22:20.04 | tristezo2k | my machine is 192.168.22.50 |
| 22:20.17 | tristezo2k | no, first is domain wircom |
| 22:20.29 | tristezo2k | seba:/etc# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:20.33 | bolt | ChanServ: what? |
| 22:20.34 | tristezo2k | domain wircom |
| 22:20.38 | tristezo2k | search wircom |
| 22:20.42 | tristezo2k | nameserver 192.168.22.1 |
| 22:20.46 | bolt | chandor: what? |
| 22:21.09 | tristezo2k | wircom is my localdomain |
| 22:21.10 | edistar_ | tristezo2k: try having only nameserver 192.168.22.1 |
| 22:21.16 | tristezo2k | ok, let´s see |
| 22:21.19 | jim | try commenting those lines |
| 22:21.47 | tristezo2k | :O |
| 22:21.52 | tristezo2k | now it works |
| 22:21.57 | tristezo2k | mmmm |
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| 22:22.04 | edistar_ | good |
| 22:22.04 | jim | tristezo2k: ok put one back |
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| 22:22.13 | jim | see if it still works |
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| 22:22.30 | internat85 | ive never seen domain as an entry. ive seen search though |
| 22:22.36 | leonardo | edistar_: crazy thing. i just would like to see the data like windows |
| 22:22.42 | jim | domain is older |
| 22:22.47 | leonardo | make this step by step |
| 22:22.47 | tristezo2k | woa! |
| 22:22.52 | tristezo2k | Puting domain |
| 22:22.56 | tristezo2k | and then search |
| 22:23.00 | tristezo2k | _under_ nameserver |
| 22:23.03 | tristezo2k | works ok :-S |
| 22:23.10 | jim | interesting |
| 22:23.25 | tristezo2k | and it still resolves localdomain names.. |
| 22:23.44 | tristezo2k | ok.... thanks guys :) |
| 22:23.50 | jim | ok, so the next thing on your research, is to find out whether "man 5 resolv.conf" tells why |
| 22:23.51 | tristezo2k | Every day learn something. |
| 22:23.54 | tristezo2k | yes... |
| 22:23.59 | tristezo2k | and then report if not. |
| 22:24.14 | jim | or just use the info it does provide |
| 22:24.32 | tristezo2k | well, in fact it names the words in this order.. |
| 22:24.53 | tristezo2k | It apears, first nameserver, then domain and then search |
| 22:25.08 | tristezo2k | but it does no says to put the woirds |
| 22:25.10 | tristezo2k | words |
| 22:25.12 | tristezo2k | in that order.. |
| 22:25.32 | jim | does it say anything about the effect of ordering? |
| 22:25.39 | tristezo2k | not at all... |
| 22:25.53 | jim | hmm. evidently there is some sort of effect |
| 22:26.15 | tristezo2k | http://linux.die.net/man/5/resolv.conf |
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| 22:26.45 | tristezo2k | That is the exact copy of my man 5 resolv.conf |
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| 22:30.02 | tristezo2k | How do I find wich package includes resolv.conf ? |
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| 22:31.50 | Xenguy | tristezo2k: dpkg -S resolv.conf |
| 22:31.55 | internat85 | !search resolv.conf |
| 22:31.56 | borbus | Hi, I want to move my home directory to a different partition, is it as simple as just moving everything from the directory to the new partition then mounting it in place. Will that cause any problems? |
| 22:31.59 | Tarfai | Hi, hey, we're running debian etch and we have a bit of a problem with SSH. For some reason yesterday night I tried to connect SSH and I wasn't able to connect. After a couple of reboots I was able to connect and saw that my hdd was full. It was caused by an error of my client. I removed loads of unused data and made the hdd almost emphty. Then again tonight I'm not able to connect to our server via SSH again |
| 22:32.14 | edistar_ | borbus: no |
| 22:32.22 | Tarfai | I really doubt this cant be a full hdd question now. Could this be a hacker attack etc? |
| 22:32.31 | tristezo2k | borbus: move it and then ln -s |
| 22:32.39 | tristezo2k | from where it was to the new place |
| 22:32.47 | tristezo2k | it is the easy way. |
| 22:32.50 | borbus | Why do that instead of mounting? |
| 22:33.17 | tristezo2k | oh, well, I usually do that to move *some* user, |
| 22:33.22 | borbus | The whole partition will be my home dir anyway so if I do that I'd have a pointless moust |
| 22:33.24 | tristezo2k | not the whole /home/ |
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| 22:33.45 | borbus | Well I am the only user really so I might as well do the whole home |
| 22:33.55 | tristezo2k | That will work, sure. |
| 22:33.59 | Tarfai | has anyone heard of this kind of a problem before? |
| 22:34.07 | tristezo2k | Just make sure that cd /home/user |
| 22:34.11 | tristezo2k | is still there. |
| 22:34.35 | yy | how can I verify is a client machine is checking itself against an LDAP server for authentication? |
| 22:34.41 | yy | (onstartup) |
| 22:34.51 | borbus | Well if I just have borbus in a new partition and mount the partition at /home it will work right |
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| 22:35.18 | borbus | I was just wonder if bash would not like having no home directory for a little while or something |
| 22:35.30 | tristezo2k | Tarfai: what was the data you deleted? |
| 22:35.33 | tristezo2k | log files? |
| 22:35.44 | tristezo2k | If the /tmp/ or /var/log/ fs are full |
| 22:35.50 | tristezo2k | you will not be able to login. |
| 22:36.03 | tristezo2k | telnet host 22 |
| 22:36.05 | borbus | Also I have a question about rsync: If I use the --delete option will that just delete anything in the destination that isn't in the source? |
| 22:36.05 | tristezo2k | works? |
| 22:36.23 | borbus | Or will it only delete stuff I deleted from the source since the last sync? |
| 22:36.35 | tristezo2k | with --delete |
| 22:36.36 | Xenguy | Tarfai: are you getting any particular error message(s) ? |
| 22:36.42 | tristezo2k | it will clear the dst directory |
| 22:36.49 | tristezo2k | if the files are not in the src. |
| 22:37.07 | yy | where is the log of failed logins? |
| 22:37.19 | tristezo2k | yy: /var/log/auth |
| 22:37.39 | Tarfai | Xenguy: I just can't access SSH at all |
| 22:37.52 | Tarfai | Xenguy: otherwise the servers works fully, apache, mail and mysql |
| 22:38.13 | leonardo | mount /mnt/flash |
| 22:38.32 | Xenguy | Tarfai: but what actually *happens* when you try to ssh in ? |
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| 22:40.37 | Tarfai | Xenguy: I'm not sure what you mean. For example when connecting via WinSCP I get "Searching for host" then "connecting to host" and then it terminates the connection instantly |
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| 22:41.33 | Tarfai | Xenguy: our servers cp shows that SSH in port 22 is working normally |
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| 22:42.00 | DawnLight | hello. i am writing a bash script that runs a process that downloads messages. this script is to be run by cron. it should check whether this process is currently running and if it is, then do not run it. how can this check be done? note that this process is a python script that acts upon a configuration file and that there will be several of these acting upon different configuration files. |
| 22:42.13 | Xenguy | Tarfai: hrm, sounds like maybe you're getting a 'connection refused' response then - maybe. Have you tried ssh'ing in with 'putty' ? |
| 22:42.42 | Xenguy | Tarfai: putty may show you more information when you try to connect |
| 22:42.51 | Tarfai | Xenguy: I have, there I get the connection refused instantly |
| 22:42.59 | Tarfai | it shows no information at all :/ |
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| 22:43.16 | yigal | can msmtp send mail via the command line with an attached file? |
| 22:43.25 | Xenguy | Tarfai: OK, so this is what I'm asking - what error or response are you getting... so it's 'connection refused' |
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| 22:43.50 | heatman | Hi. When i connect to my router using ndiswrapper, I have to enter a password so that the Network Manager connect. Is there a way that the password can be remembered or bypassed so that when I log into etch I do not have to type in that for me to be able to connect to the internet |
| 22:43.54 | th0ger_ifa | DawnLight: probably man ps? |
| 22:43.59 | Tarfai | Xenguy: with Putty I get "Server unexpectedly closed network connection" |
| 22:44.22 | Xenguy | Tarfai: hrm, OK. Have you googled that error message? |
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| 22:46.18 | Xenguy | Tarfai: another idea is to try connecting with the equivalent of 'ssh -vvvv' to get verbose output that might give more information about what the problem is |
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| 22:46.46 | Tarfai | Xenguy: how can I do that? |
| 22:46.49 | Xenguy | Tarfai: I'm not sure how that would be done with putty off the top of my head though |
| 22:47.10 | yigal | can msmtp send mail via the command line with an attached file? |
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| 22:47.16 | Xenguy | Tarfai: if there is an option in putty to increase logging, or verbosity, then that is worth a try |
| 22:47.19 | wad | Installing a new hard drive. It appears in /proc/partitions as sdd. I used fdisk to create an ext3 partition on it, sdd1. Now I want to use mkfs on it, but I don't have a /dev/sdd1, just a /dev/sdd. What should I do next? |
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| 22:50.06 | Tramp | wad: In fdisk, are you sure you wrote the new partition-table (w) and did not just quit (q) after creating the partition? |
| 22:50.06 | killfill | hi |
| 22:50.29 | wad | Tramp: Yes, 100% positive. |
| 22:50.35 | wad | Maybe I need to reboot? |
| 22:50.44 | killfill | guys. how do i fix this? http://pastebin.ca/906740 |
| 22:50.53 | killfill | ssh wont purge.. :S |
| 22:51.21 | Tramp | well, usually this should not be necessary. But if it's not a big problem, then yes, reboot. Maybe the new partition table was not read back correctly for some reason |
| 22:51.31 | wad | ok |
| 22:51.33 | wad | I'll do that. |
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| 22:53.17 | Tramp | killfill: huh - what kind of environment ist that? rmdir should not be linked to busybox |
| 22:53.50 | wad | Yep, I just needed to reboot. :) All happy now. Thanks, Tramp! |
| 22:53.51 | killfill | its maemo |
| 22:54.03 | killfill | Tramp: is there a way to remove that broken script manually? |
| 22:54.06 | Tramp | wad: ok. So it was something "weird" 8) |
| 22:54.08 | killfill | where does it live?... |
| 22:54.11 | wad | :-D |
| 22:54.16 | killfill | (sorry.. im not use to dpkg.. :P) |
| 22:54.23 | killfill | used |
| 22:54.24 | tsrepadmin | Hi - is it possible to block certain GET requests? I have a domain listed on a Bagle Virus and getting lots of requests for files zoo.jpg and zo2.jpg |
| 22:54.27 | Tarfai | Xenguy: ok, I rebooted the server a couple times again and got connected |
| 22:54.37 | wad | Mmmmm.... busybox..... my best friend is one the authors of busybox. He's smaaaart. |
| 22:54.47 | Tarfai | Xenguy: I gotta start going trough the logs, do you have any other places to check out? |
| 22:55.28 | Xenguy | Tarfai: see /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/syslog come to mind |
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| 22:56.40 | yy | how do I echo my own uid? |
| 22:57.03 | Xenguy | Tarfai: you may want to leave your ssh connection open indefinitely until you feel confident that SSH is working reliably again. I tend to paranoia around servers so I'd run some diagnostics with 'rkhunter' and 'chkrootkit' for instance |
| 22:57.09 | bolt | I pasted the output of "apt-cache policy wine", "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf", "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "cat /etc/apt/preferences" here: http://pastebin.com/m9508cb8 ... could someone please take a look at it and tell me why wine isn't getting 999 pin-priority from winehq as I specified? |
| 22:57.21 | Tramp | killfill: I think its /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-*.prerm or something like that |
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| 22:58.05 | killfill | nice. |
| 22:58.07 | killfill | thx |
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| 22:58.57 | Tarfai | wow, I think I might be under an attack |
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| 22:59.38 | killfill | iF ssh |
| 22:59.40 | killfill | whats F? |
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| 23:00.41 | aMoRPHeouS | flashplugin isn't in Lenny yet? |
| 23:00.59 | abrotman | !info flashplugin-nonfree lenny |
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| 23:01.06 | killfill | 'i' i guess installed... is F= fucked up?... :P |
| 23:01.12 | abrotman | aMoRPHeouS: nope |
| 23:01.33 | aMoRPHeouS | abrotman: can I install from elsewhere? |
| 23:01.57 | abrotman | you can get it from packages.debian.org .. or from adobe.com if you want to do the work yourself |
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| 23:02.17 | aMoRPHeouS | ok |
| 23:02.45 | Tarfai | Feb 16 23:31:39 mail named[2227]: lame server resolving '9.184.188.220.broad.nb.zj.dynamic.163data.com.cn' (in '163data.com.cn'?): 202.97.7.17#53 |
| 23:03.07 | Tarfai | does anyone have any information on this kind of a log entry in auth.log |
| 23:03.41 | leonardo | hehe, can't make smart card work in my lenovo |
| 23:03.46 | leonardo | it's ricoh driver |
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| 23:03.51 | heatman | Hi. When i connect to my router using ndiswrapper, I have to enter a password so that the Network Manager connect. Is there a way that the password can be remembered or bypassed so that when I log into etch I do not have to type in that for me to be able to connect to the internet |
| 23:03.54 | leonardo | and i don't know how to mount it |
| 23:04.03 | leonardo | i thought was automatically |
| 23:04.23 | leonardo | would like to know step by step how make this work |
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| 23:06.18 | Xenguy | Tarfai: could be a DNS and/or bind error |
| 23:06.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I heard that enabling CONFIG_NO_HZ in the kernel would speed up the computer during gaming, but what does that actually do? And is it true? |
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| 23:06.47 | killfill | # modprobe fuse |
| 23:06.48 | killfill | modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep |
| 23:06.57 | killfill | whats modules.dep?.. (sorry. not used to linux..) |
| 23:07.25 | killfill | cannot find it. where should it be? |
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| 23:08.05 | abrotman | did you install fuse ? |
| 23:08.17 | killfill | yyes |
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| 23:11.18 | abrotman | killfill: depmod -a ? |
| 23:11.33 | xlotlu | just lost my cursor on the second xinerama display |
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| 23:12.18 | valdyn | DawnLight: thats neither its purpose nor side effect |
| 23:12.33 | valdyn | DawnLight: no_hz is a powersaving feature |
| 23:12.36 | abrotman | misfire ? |
| 23:12.41 | valdyn | ops |
| 23:12.49 | valdyn | DarkCow: no_hz is a powersaving feature |
| 23:12.52 | valdyn | geez |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:12.59 | DawnLight | aight |
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| 23:20.20 | anna | test |
| 23:20.52 | tristezo2k | what happent? |
| 23:20.58 | tristezo2k | happened, I mena :P |
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| 23:27.07 | andrej_ | i updated the kernel to 2.6.24-1 and i don't have any graphics anymore on my XGM (using sis direvr) graphics card; i know how to fix this with nvidia, but i have no idea for xgm |
| 23:27.55 | abrotman | probably have to reinstall it ? |
| 23:28.03 | ignu | test |
| 23:28.08 | abrotman | ignu: yes .. we see you |
| 23:29.53 | ignu | abrotman: thanks much. I was in here earlier today as "did". I finally got irssi working (just now). Also, I have been playing with xchat, which I like. I think my problem earlier today was that I was running irssi from a root terminal |
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| 23:30.18 | abrotman | ah .. probably |
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| 23:37.46 | ciphernaut | info file bug |
| 23:37.48 | ignu | question: How can I get 'dpkg -l | grep ^.i' to save the list of my installed packages directly into a text file? |
| 23:38.18 | valdyn | ignu: > file.txt |
| 23:38.20 | ignu | and remember, ignu (my name) stands for ignorant newbie, so I'm a little slow :-) |
| 23:38.45 | ignu | valdyn: 'dpkg -l | grep ^.i > file.txt' ? |
| 23:38.51 | valdyn | ignu: yes |
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| 23:39.51 | ciphernaut | help file bug |
| 23:39.57 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 23:39.57 | dpkg | methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 23:40.00 | ignu | valdyn, it seems to have worked, but now I can't find file.txt |
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| 23:43.03 | bolt | Is there a way to use wildcards in the /etc/apt/preferences Package: statement? I've tried using exim4* as the package to cover all packages starting with exim4, but it seems I must type in each package manually. is there a way around this? |
| 23:44.32 | ignu | valdyn: sorry, I found it... thx ... I've got to get more comfortable navigating folders and finding stuff |
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| 23:44.46 | DiAzEpAn | :) |
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| 23:45.28 | DawnLight | is there a reliable way to know an executed process' pid at the time of execution? |
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| 23:46.37 | heliconius | bonsoir. quelqu'un parle français, ici ? |
| 23:46.40 | abrotman | !fr |
| 23:46.40 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:54.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | How does apt decide which packages are obsolete? |
| 23:54.14 | zightx | hello |
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| 23:54.49 | zightx | how do i change charset in debian? |
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| 23:55.33 | ciphernaut | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14.k3 ro root=/dev/sda6 bigphysarea=206667 elevator=deadline |
| 23:55.40 | ciphernaut | sorry wrong window |
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| 23:56.18 | heliconius | Hello to everyone. I want install ScramDisk_1.2-0_Debian-4.0_2.6.18_i386.deb (from sourceforge.net) on a system under Debian Etch 4.0rc2 (kernel: vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686) updated each time updates are available. During the installation (dpkg -i <package>) an error message is displayed : "the package linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 isn't installed". Is it right ? Can I force the installation with -f without problem ? Thank you for |
| 23:56.22 | sier | I need to setup java in my amd64 system :( Any help? the plugin is not available , right? |
| 23:56.50 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: obsolete just means that its in in any of the repostories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list* |
| 23:57.08 | DawnLight | what happens when a pop3 client starts to fetch mail from an account while another is in the middle of it? |
| 23:57.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: ...but just about every package is in there. :/ |
| 23:57.42 | abrotman | heliconius: not likely |
| 23:57.55 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: so your /etc/apt/sources.list contains no valid repositories? |
| 23:58.17 | valdyn | DawnLight: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:58.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, it contains valid ones :/ |
| 23:58.28 | heliconius | what can I to resolve the problem ? |
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| 23:58.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe you meant to write that it's in no repo? |
| 23:58.46 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: show it to someone who can tell if that is true and also show us what is being obsolete |
| 23:58.47 | abrotman | heliconius: ask them to update their package |
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| 23:59.03 | heliconius | ok. thanks very much... |
| 23:59.28 | heliconius | abrotman: from where are you ? |
| 23:59.43 | DawnLight | valdyn: i want to make cron run getmail and i want to prevent it from running it while the previous run is still downloading messages |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | heliconius: likely it's compiled to work against the -4- kernel |
| 23:59.46 | zightx | test... can you see what i write? |
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