| 00:00.00 | beefcake | hey hehe |
| 00:00.16 | borbus | Installing debian on a box with an 8800gt.. VGA signal goes dead |
| 00:00.23 | borbus | This happened with Ubuntu too actually, except that starts X by default |
| 00:00.32 | borbus | No tty signal though |
| 00:00.42 | Nyle | borbus: just curious |
| 00:00.45 | PinkFreud | enouf: dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.24.2mirkwood-i686' in `../linux-image-2.6.24.2mirkwood-i686_1_amd64.deb'. |
| 00:00.48 | Nyle | borbus: you plugged in the aux power? |
| 00:00.56 | borbus | To the 8800gt? |
| 00:01.07 | PinkFreud | enouf: as I thought the documentation said - it merely appends. |
| 00:01.18 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:01.18 | PinkFreud | the incorrect 'amd64' is still there. |
| 00:01.18 | enouf | well .. i see 686 in there :-P |
| 00:01.22 | borbus | Of course, it's been used to play games |
| 00:01.23 | borbus | It's not the card |
| 00:01.26 | Nyle | as I have installed it once for a customer, I remember it needs additional power |
| 00:01.28 | PinkFreud | yes, because I put it there |
| 00:01.31 | borbus | I used a hack to get mine to work with ubuntu ages ago |
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| 00:01.45 | borbus | I thought it was a new ubuntu crap, didn't think it would effect debian too |
| 00:01.50 | PinkFreud | enouf: If I put 'fred' there, it would appear in the package name - it doesn't mean 'fred' is an arch. :P |
| 00:01.53 | Nyle | well I don't have anything fancy like that |
| 00:02.15 | borbus | I've never even used debian with a monitor before :P |
| 00:02.15 | enouf | put j0m0mma in there ;-) |
| 00:02.23 | Nyle | well |
| 00:02.30 | Nyle | he prolly wouldn't fit |
| 00:02.38 | PinkFreud | enouf: So, I'm still back at where I started - is there a way to force it to use i386 or i686? |
| 00:02.44 | Nyle | yo momma so fat, she jumped up in the air and got suck! |
| 00:02.46 | Nyle | stuck* |
| 00:02.48 | Nyle | damit |
| 00:02.51 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 00:03.09 | PinkFreud | I would think, since I explicitly specified '--arch i386' on make-kpkg's commandline, that it would name it i386 or i686. :) |
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| 00:03.28 | PinkFreud | or am I looking at a make-kpkg bug? |
| 00:03.30 | DavoDinkum | How can I prevent a package from being upgraded when using apitude? I want to stop linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 from being upgraded. |
| 00:03.33 | enouf | PinkFreud: force the .deb to be named {686|i386.deb ? dunno |
| 00:03.40 | beefcake | http://www.pastebin.org/19987 |
| 00:03.46 | beefcake | it compiles fine on other systems |
| 00:03.47 | Wyzard | DavoDinkum: '=' |
| 00:03.51 | beefcake | might be my gcc is installed wrong? |
| 00:03.57 | beefcake | and if so which one should i install |
| 00:04.00 | enouf | man i messed that up |
| 00:04.08 | enouf | !blame abrotman |
| 00:04.14 | DavoDinkum | =? |
| 00:04.40 | DavoDinkum | Wyzard: "aptitude full-upgrade = |
| 00:04.41 | DavoDinkum | Wyzard: "aptitude full-upgrade =If I buy a cd; I should be able to do anything I want with it. I bought it. But if I rent it, then drm actually makes sense in this instance. Because the person giving it to me isn't purporting to give me any ownership rights, but instead is keeping them to himself and letting me borrow the content, with whatever restrictions he'd like to put on them. |
| 00:04.47 | DavoDinkum | oops |
| 00:05.05 | DavoDinkum | Wyzard: "aptitude full-upgrade =linux-image-2.6.22-3-686"? |
| 00:05.08 | Wyzard | DavoDinkum: oh, I thought you meant in aptitude's interactive mode |
| 00:05.09 | xand | DavoDinkum: that kernel has a nasty root exploit |
| 00:05.44 | DavoDinkum | so i hear |
| 00:06.11 | beefcake | can someone please look at my pastebin so i can try to figure out why its not working :) http://www.pastebin.org/19987 |
| 00:06.11 | enouf | PinkFreud: i'm sure there is, however , without using debian sources? perhaps not - might ask in #debian-kernel on oftc.net - it's a dev chan, so don't expect fast responses |
| 00:06.11 | xand | so why would you want to keep it? |
| 00:06.11 | DavoDinkum | but it's lenny's latest kernel |
| 00:06.11 | PinkFreud | enouf: alrighty. I'll try that. |
| 00:06.11 | PinkFreud | enouf: thank you. |
| 00:06.11 | enouf | np |
| 00:06.17 | DavoDinkum | i want to stop the upgrade to it xand |
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| 00:06.34 | themill | xand: the lenny update to fix that exploit doesn't bump the ABI |
| 00:06.37 | karmatronic | beefcake, i d say , check nuke.h |
| 00:06.52 | beefcake | checking |
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| 00:07.10 | Wyzard | DavoDinkum: so you're not trying to keep 2.6.22-3-686, you're trying to keep some older version instead of 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 00:07.10 | karmatronic | beefcake, looks like that s where you got the first error . On line 14 o 15 |
| 00:07.16 | Wyzard | DavoDinkum: Why? |
| 00:07.28 | beefcake | well its different packages |
| 00:07.31 | beefcake | they all error |
| 00:07.39 | beefcake | and dont error on other distros |
| 00:07.43 | beefcake | with make build |
| 00:07.44 | DavoDinkum | i already have linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 and it wants to install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686, so i might as well prevent that |
| 00:07.50 | DavoDinkum | and keep my current kernel |
| 00:07.52 | enouf | linux-2.6 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) stable-security; urgency=high bugfix/vmsplice-security.patch [SECURITY] Fix missing access check in vmsplice. See CVE-2008-0010, CVE-2008-0600 bugfix/all/vserver/proc-link-security.patch [SECURITY][vserver] Fix access checks for the links in /proc/$pid. |
| 00:07.53 | beefcake | might be a compiler error? |
| 00:08.01 | xand | !hold |
| 00:08.01 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 00:08.02 | abrotman | DavoDinkum: uh no .. that's a security fix |
| 00:08.08 | DavoDinkum | oh ok |
| 00:08.12 | DavoDinkum | :/ |
| 00:08.14 | Wyzard | DavoDinkum: It's trying to install an updated version of that package |
| 00:08.15 | xand | DavoDinkum: see. |
| 00:08.15 | abrotman | DavoDinkum: i think .. wait |
| 00:08.23 | beefcake | http://www.glhelp.org/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=522 |
| 00:08.25 | beefcake | its that file |
| 00:08.26 | Wyzard | DavoDinkum: presumably, the one with the root exploit patched |
| 00:08.30 | beefcake | can you see if it compiles for you? |
| 00:08.34 | abrotman | DavoDinkum: it's a new build .. same ABI |
| 00:08.39 | DavoDinkum | ah ok |
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| 00:08.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: that was -1- to -3- i think |
| 00:10.04 | karmatronic | beefcake, what s that stuff ? |
| 00:10.14 | beefcake | its tools for an ftpd |
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| 00:10.42 | karmatronic | beefcake, yes it compiled here |
| 00:10.50 | beefcake | no errors? |
| 00:10.58 | beefcake | i have a fresh install |
| 00:11.03 | beefcake | what might i be missing? |
| 00:11.23 | beefcake | that could cause the errors im encountering |
| 00:11.35 | karmatronic | beefcake, maybe you should install kernel-sources |
| 00:11.47 | beefcake | apt-get install kernel-sources? |
| 00:11.58 | karmatronic | beefcake, no no wait i got the same error |
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| 00:12.47 | beefcake | its weird |
| 00:12.51 | beefcake | worked fine on redhat and slackware |
| 00:12.51 | karmatronic | beefcake, there s a drawing in nukes.h !!!!!! |
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| 00:12.59 | beefcake | it uses that |
| 00:13.24 | beefcake | its within the " " |
| 00:13.28 | beefcake | so its just an output |
| 00:13.30 | beefcake | the code looks fine |
| 00:13.35 | beefcake | its the compiling where it goes wrong :x |
| 00:13.41 | karmatronic | beefcake, right. I m tired :) |
| 00:13.48 | beefcake | my c is decent but my linux is shit :) |
| 00:14.06 | brif8 | Using apt how do you downgrade to an earlier version, I can not get evolution 2.12.3 to work with SSL |
| 00:14.32 | karmatronic | beefcake, still i think there s an error there , cos color syntaxing show this as if it werent a string ... |
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| 00:14.36 | Wyzard | brif8: There was an SSL-related bug in evolution in unstable a few weeks ago IIRC, but it's been fixed |
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| 00:15.17 | brif8 | Wyzard: I have tried everything and not got it to work, Is there a newer .deb package somewhere then ? |
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| 00:15.33 | beefcake | karmatronic the package compiles on other systems though |
| 00:15.34 | Wyzard | brif8: just the normal updates |
| 00:16.03 | brif8 | Wyzard: used normal updates and it does not work not matter what packages I add SSL Unavailable |
| 00:16.41 | karmatronic | beefcake, did those systems use the same version ogf gcc |
| 00:16.51 | beefcake | how do i check which version i am using? |
| 00:17.00 | Wyzard | brif8: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461312 |
| 00:17.10 | meeero | i'd need an accurate command to compute a direcoty's disk usage, which contains several subdirectories with maxdepth=1 ...any commands (e.g. du in combination with sort) can do that, but they don't display them really in an ordered way. for example, 50M, 5G, 2k - is being displayed in this order, but not because 50MB is the largest, but because it has the highest number in the beginning |
| 00:17.16 | Wyzard | brif8: looks like evolution-data-server is where the bug really was |
| 00:17.38 | DawnLight | hello. i want to have the mpop program fetch mail regularly via cron. should i create an mpop user for this? |
| 00:17.58 | abrotman | DawnLight: run it from your own cron |
| 00:18.24 | DawnLight | abrotman: it is not my mail |
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| 00:18.31 | beefcake | gcc -version |
| 00:18.32 | beefcake | found it |
| 00:18.39 | abrotman | DawnLight: then the user that needs it should do it ? |
| 00:19.04 | DawnLight | abrotman: it fetches mail for an IMAP server to serve to an office |
| 00:19.12 | brif8 | Wyzard: yes and I have tried to build the evolution-data-server but it fails (when building from source) How do they get that list of libaries like that ? |
| 00:19.32 | beefcake | hrmz |
| 00:19.34 | meeero | any ideas? i really need that pretty much now |
| 00:19.37 | beefcake | other box it works on is debian too |
| 00:19.38 | beefcake | this is weird |
| 00:19.54 | Wyzard | brif8: Why are you building evolution-data-server from source? |
| 00:20.30 | DawnLight | meeero: do a sort on the MB/KB things? |
| 00:20.36 | enouf | meeero: one sec |
| 00:20.50 | beefcake | Linux version 2.6.23.1 (root@debian) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Oct 18 23:02:39 CEST 207 |
| 00:20.51 | beefcake | Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 |
| 00:20.53 | beefcake | top one works |
| 00:20.55 | beefcake | bottom one doesnt |
| 00:20.58 | brif8 | Wyzard: somewhere about the bug they talked about it having with-nss and nspr as being the problems and to remove those from ./configure (I commented them out ) and it would not build |
| 00:21.15 | enouf | $ du -ab . | sort -rng | less mee |
| 00:21.17 | meeero | hm, i could sort that by "bytes", which evades the problem that Mb/Gb/kb is displayed.... |
| 00:21.21 | Wyzard | brif8: There's already an updated package (in sid) that's been rebuilt with those changes |
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| 00:21.29 | Rui | hello |
| 00:21.34 | enouf | meeero: $ du -ab . | sort -rng | less <-- try that |
| 00:21.43 | meeero | yes, this is without -h ...hm, seems that i'll need to do it without -h |
| 00:21.54 | Wyzard | brif8: been there for weeks |
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| 00:22.09 | brif8 | Wyzard: I have don apt-get --reinstall install evolution-data-server and it has not worked either |
| 00:22.21 | Wyzard | brif8: Why not just apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:22.33 | brif8 | I have 1.12.2-1+b1 install |
| 00:22.49 | brif8 | done that too |
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| 00:22.50 | Wyzard | brif8: That's not the current version of evolution-data-server in unstable... are you running testing? |
| 00:23.04 | brif8 | lenny yes |
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| 00:23.29 | Wyzard | brif8: Then you might need to grab the updated evolution and/or evolution-data-server packages from unstable |
| 00:23.37 | Wyzard | brif8: or just wait for them to propagate normally |
| 00:23.51 | brif8 | Wyzard: how (I'm a newbie to debian and apt) |
| 00:24.09 | Wyzard | brif8: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 00:24.11 | beefcake | karmatronic: any ideas? |
| 00:24.18 | xsystemx | apache2.conf was missing, anyone know where I can get an example of apache2.conf fileÉ |
| 00:24.20 | Wyzard | brif8: You can look up individual packages and download .deb files there, and install them with dpkg |
| 00:24.48 | Wyzard | brif8: It's also possible to add unstable to your sources.list but have it not used by default, so you can pull individual packages from it with apt |
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| 00:25.11 | brif8 | Wyzard: thanks will try that now |
| 00:25.34 | themill | !tell xsystemx about confmiss |
| 00:25.41 | \amethyst | beefcake: do the two machines have the same gcc version? |
| 00:25.52 | Wyzard | brif8: (but don't put unstable in your sources.list unless you've configured apt not to use it by default, or you'll end up upgrading to unstable when you didn't intend to) |
| 00:25.59 | themill | xsystemx: or you can look in the relevant .deb using tools such as mc |
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| 00:28.08 | DawnLight | hello. i am setting up an IMAP server that will serve several maildirs to users at the LAN. the maildirs it serves are fetched using mpop via cron. my question is about paths and users. where should i make mpop dump the mail? should i create an mpop user and group that cron will run mpop as? |
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| 00:29.11 | xsystemx | themill - apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" apache2 |
| 00:29.14 | xsystemx | ? |
| 00:29.18 | \amethyst | beefcake: the first problem is that nukes.h contains a multi-line string literal, which hasn't been allowed since gcc 3.1 or so |
| 00:29.56 | themill | xsystemx: it's in apache2.2-common. There also a sample file in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common |
| 00:30.13 | \amethyst | beefcake: the second error (in spy_view.c) is because you need the ncurses development libraries (libncurses5-dev) |
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| 00:31.32 | \amethyst | beefcake: you can fix the first problem by replacing all the newlines in that literal (starting at line 14) with \n |
| 00:31.44 | \amethyst | beefcake: and the second by installing libncurses5-dev |
| 00:32.16 | Wyzard | hmm, fdisk has no type code for UDF |
| 00:32.21 | brif8 | Wyzard: Thank You those new .debs did the job at last :) Thank You |
| 00:33.29 | peleg | when I am trying to install websvn with aptitude, it tries to persuade me to install php4 as well - or php5 if I insist. but: I already have php5! what should I do? |
| 00:34.31 | Wyzard | peleg: What specific PHP package is it trying to install? |
| 00:34.37 | beefcake | f'\amethyst: yeah they do |
| 00:34.39 | peleg | moreover: aptitude says that my php5 is from untrusted source... |
| 00:34.50 | beefcake | (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) |
| 00:34.55 | peleg | the installed one. |
| 00:35.03 | \amethyst | beefcake: err, is that from gcc --version or uname -a? |
| 00:35.20 | beefcake | cat /proc/version |
| 00:35.22 | peleg | Wyzard: first, it tries to install "php4-cgi" from "dotdeb". |
| 00:35.33 | \amethyst | beefcake: try gcc --version instead |
| 00:35.35 | beefcake | ok |
| 00:35.36 | peleg | I am trying to use only debian original repositories, though. |
| 00:35.52 | Wyzard | peleg: hmm, that's not Debian's websvn package |
| 00:35.53 | \amethyst | beefcake: /proc/version tells you what compiler was used to compile your kernel, not which compiler you're currently using |
| 00:36.08 | themill | peleg: get rid of non-debian repos from your sources.list and sources.list.d |
| 00:36.16 | peleg | Wyzard: I see. Maybe I should remove dotdeb from my sources list? |
| 00:36.17 | peleg | oh |
| 00:36.28 | peleg | themill: where are those files? |
| 00:36.34 | Wyzard | peleg: If you don't want to use non-Debian sources, you shouldn't put non-Debian sources in your sources.list :-) |
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| 00:36.42 | beefcake | \amethyst: says same thing |
| 00:36.54 | beefcake | really strange that one does run it |
| 00:36.55 | Wyzard | peleg: Are you running etch? Or lenny? Or sid? |
| 00:36.56 | beefcake | other doesnt |
| 00:37.02 | peleg | etch |
| 00:37.13 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:37.16 | \amethyst | beefcake: hmm... because that nukes.c thing should not compile with any gcc package that's currently in debian |
| 00:37.24 | \amethyst | beefcake: nukes.h rather |
| 00:37.36 | peleg | /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:37.42 | Wyzard | peleg: If aptitude is trying to install php4 when php5 can also satisfy the dependency, you do not have php5 installed |
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| 00:37.53 | themill | peleg: yes |
| 00:38.10 | peleg | Wyzard: I promise you that I have. |
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| 00:38.27 | peleg | probably a different (and "untrusted') php package. |
| 00:38.32 | \amethyst | peleg: try apt-cache policy websvn php5 |
| 00:38.40 | \amethyst | peleg: also, is this etch? |
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| 00:39.10 | peleg | \amethyst: what should I see there? indeed, etch |
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| 00:39.30 | xsystemx | themill - apache2: Syntax error on line 29 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: ServerRoot takes one argument, Common directory of server-related files (logs, confs, etc.) |
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| 00:39.44 | peleg | \amethyst: it says: php5: Installed: (none) |
| 00:39.53 | \amethyst | peleg: there you go, php5 isn't installed |
| 00:39.55 | Wyzard | then you don't have it installed |
| 00:40.09 | Wyzard | And what about the version table? |
| 00:40.10 | peleg | \amethyst: but it is! I am using it!... and I have it in aptitude manager. |
| 00:40.19 | beefcake | compiles iwth no problems on the first box though |
| 00:40.25 | beefcake | and it compiled util functions fine too |
| 00:40.29 | beefcake | thats what makes it so strange |
| 00:40.32 | beefcake | i feel im lacking a package |
| 00:40.56 | peleg | \amethyst: probably only an "unfamiliar" package or so, no? |
| 00:40.59 | \amethyst | beefcake: the ncurses-dev package, but there is no package you can install to make nukes.h work |
| 00:41.03 | DawnLight | where can i read about debian's directory structure? |
| 00:41.09 | Wyzard | !give DawnLight fhs |
| 00:41.21 | \amethyst | peleg: Probably was from the other repository, and since you changed sources.list, apt-cache can't find it anymore |
| 00:41.42 | beefcake | amethyst its mainly about pre |
| 00:41.43 | peleg | \amethyst: I see. I will reinstall php5, it can't do too much harm. |
| 00:41.44 | beefcake | thats the one i need |
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| 00:41.51 | beefcake | nukes is just in there but not needed for me |
| 00:42.15 | DawnLight | what is this? |
| 00:42.23 | \amethyst | beefcake: pre is compiling correctly according to your pastebin |
| 00:42.34 | \amethyst | DawnLight: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
| 00:42.36 | \amethyst | !fhs |
| 00:42.36 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*) |
| 00:42.47 | beefcake | it seg faults though |
| 00:42.50 | Wyzard | DawnLight: It's the standard that describes the system's directory layout |
| 00:43.32 | DawnLight | very nice. nothing in the reference about this, afaict |
| 00:43.52 | \amethyst | beefcake: have you tried debugging it? |
| 00:44.04 | beefcake | gonna try that now :x |
| 00:44.11 | beefcake | but the thing is |
| 00:44.14 | beefcake | the code should be fine |
| 00:44.19 | beefcake | seeing it works on the other system |
| 00:44.24 | beefcake | works on 2 out of 3 boxes |
| 00:44.30 | beefcake | and this one box just keeps spitting errors |
| 00:44.47 | beefcake | so it must be hte install but for the life of me i cant figure out where exactly |
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| 00:45.40 | \amethyst | beefcake: how are you calling it? |
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| 00:45.54 | beefcake | calling what? |
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| 00:46.01 | beefcake | i gcc foo-pre.c -o foo-pre |
| 00:46.05 | \amethyst | beefcake: foo-pre, when it segfaults |
| 00:46.10 | beefcake | ./foo-pre |
| 00:46.17 | \amethyst | beefcake: that's not how you call it |
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| 00:46.21 | ubd | hello |
| 00:46.32 | beefcake | ./foo-pre |
| 00:46.32 | beefcake | Did not find environment for glftpd, please run only from within glftpd as 'site' command! |
| 00:46.35 | beefcake | works fine on the other box |
| 00:46.39 | ubd | can someone tell me how to check if acpi is working |
| 00:47.11 | \amethyst | beefcake: the code has a bug that makes it crash if you give fewer than two arguments |
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| 00:47.32 | \amethyst | beefcake: I guess you have a different version of libc on the two machines, and one of them is a little more forgiving about argv |
| 00:47.43 | \amethyst | err, about overrunning the argv array |
| 00:48.18 | peleg | ok, problem solved after reinstalling php5 - I have also uninstalled php4, but I still have /etc/php4 folder - any ideas why? |
| 00:48.29 | beefcake | gcc version shows the same how do i determine which gcc version i need? |
| 00:48.43 | \amethyst | peleg: you need to purge it (aptitude purge php4) |
| 00:48.52 | \amethyst | beefcake: it's not a gcc version problem, that only matters for nukes |
| 00:49.04 | beefcake | could i send over my foo-pre file from 1 box |
| 00:49.06 | beefcake | to the other |
| 00:49.07 | peleg | \amethyst: thanks. any way to do a global "purge" ? |
| 00:49.09 | beefcake | or would that not work? |
| 00:49.24 | \amethyst | beefcake: maybe, depending on library versions.... |
| 00:49.34 | \amethyst | beefcake: you have two different versions of the program |
| 00:50.31 | simonrvn | peleg: didn't do --purge |
| 00:50.37 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:50.54 | peleg | simonrvn: is there any way to do global purge ? |
| 00:51.01 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
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| 00:51.09 | simonrvn | "global purge"? |
| 00:51.58 | peleg | somonrvn: purge all removed packages. |
| 00:52.02 | peleg | ever... |
| 00:52.03 | \amethyst | peleg: aptitude purge ~c maybe |
| 00:52.19 | peleg | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 00:52.55 | \amethyst | beefcake: I say that because I don't see that error message anywhere in the source |
| 00:53.13 | beefcake | hrmz |
| 00:53.29 | jim | with my inspiron 5150 w/ ati radeon 7500 (drives laptop display and 15-pin D connector), is there a way to have both displays at once? someone told how to switch (Fn-F8) but I want both at once |
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| 00:53.51 | abrotman | jim: depends on your hardware and the driver |
| 00:54.01 | jim | ok |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | jim: look at xrandr |
| 00:54.21 | beefcake | i think you are right |
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| 00:54.30 | beefcake | thanks man i sent over the other source |
| 00:54.34 | beefcake | works |
| 00:54.35 | beefcake | ! |
| 00:54.37 | beefcake | you are the man |
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| 00:55.06 | jim | I did, in fact as I sat down today, I see I was looking at xrandr man page |
| 00:55.14 | jim | it's pretty short :)\ |
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| 00:56.16 | abrotman | jim: but it's complex! |
| 00:56.31 | jim | so I see... I just noticed --screen |
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| 00:56.37 | abrotman | jim: does it list both outputs ? |
| 00:56.50 | jim | you mean when I -q? |
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| 00:58.27 | jim | it doesn't seem to when I feed it no parameters or options |
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| 00:58.56 | xsystemx | Anyone know how I can use dpkg --force-confmiss to re-install and fix all missing apache configuration files? |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 00:59.09 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 00:59.13 | jim | oops :) I was running xrandr on the desktop :) |
| 00:59.16 | abrotman | xsystemx: you want apache2.2-common |
| 00:59.22 | abrotman | !smack jim |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | xsystemx: do not msg me |
| 01:00.11 | jim | it was an easy mistake to make: earlier I had the laptop using the desktop kbd/mouse/mon |
| 01:01.15 | xsystemx | abrotman - apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall apache2 apache2.2-common - invalid operation ? |
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| 01:01.55 | abrotman | you only need apache2.2-common |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | and you missed install |
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| 01:04.39 | jim | .X1iplay |
| 01:05.08 | jim | hmm, sorry bad paste |
| 01:06.10 | LunarCrisis | Hi, I just did the etch->lenny upgrade, and now I've got the 2.6.22-3 kernel. I rebuild the nvidia kernel module with "m-a a-i nvidia" but when I start X it complains that the nvidia module does not exist. What should I do? |
| 01:06.25 | xsystemx | abrotman - apache2: Syntax error on line 29 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: ServerRoot takes one argument, Common directory of server-related files (logs, confs, etc.) |
| 01:06.33 | xsystemx | thats after running dpkg |
| 01:06.43 | abrotman | xsystemx: did you move yours out of the way ? |
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| 01:06.55 | peleg | anyone knows about an option to add to nautilus fields of permissions etc. ? |
| 01:07.25 | jim | LunarCrisis: first figure out wht kernel you're running now, and figure out what kernel you built the module for |
| 01:07.47 | abrotman | peleg: in the Preferences .. on the Display tab .. there's a Permissions option |
| 01:08.21 | LunarCrisis | jim, I restarted into the 2.6.22 kernel after installing it, then ran the module-assistant command |
| 01:08.25 | xsystemx | abrotman - ? |
| 01:08.50 | peleg | abrotman: cool, thanks! |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | xsystemx: move your apache.conf out of the way before running the confmiss bit |
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| 01:09.22 | LunarCrisis | jim: the module exists in /usr/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/nvidia |
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| 01:09.39 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: what is the exact error? |
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| 01:09.58 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: maybe it's talking about the X module and not the kernel module? |
| 01:10.06 | jimm | NOW I'm on the laptop |
| 01:10.18 | LunarCrisis | ah, that's possible |
| 01:10.55 | \amethyst | nvidia-glx or something like that |
| 01:11.10 | \amethyst | and a version that matches your nvidia-kernel module, of course |
| 01:11.28 | LunarCrisis | \amethyst, (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) / (EE) No drivers available. |
| 01:11.52 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: yes, that's an error about the X module |
| 01:13.19 | LunarCrisis | nvidia-glx is listed in aptitude as installed with the same version as my module |
| 01:13.51 | LunarCrisis | However, it shows <none> in the last column. That's normal for the module I know, but should it be like that for nvidia-glx? |
| 01:14.55 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: In the *last* column? Or in the second-to-last column? |
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| 01:15.31 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: Anyway, nvidia-glx has nothing to do with whether you can modprobe nvidia |
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| 01:15.46 | LunarCrisis | Wyzard, in the last column |
| 01:15.53 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: (It's the xorg driver and OpenGL implementation, which depend on the kernel module, not the other way around) |
| 01:16.35 | LunarCrisis | Wyzard, right, it seems that the driver is the problem, according to \amethyst. |
| 01:16.44 | LunarCrisis | modprobe nvidia gives no output |
| 01:17.12 | LunarCrisis | I assume that means it's successful |
| 01:17.24 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: Probably, but you should check with lsmod |
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| 01:17.50 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: oh... what version? |
| 01:17.56 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: also, what version of xorg? |
| 01:18.06 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: oh, I see, I misread your message... that "failed to load module 'nvidia'" is indeed xorg trying to load a driver |
| 01:18.11 | LunarCrisis | Wyzard, lsmod | grep nvidia shows that it is running |
| 01:18.23 | LunarCrisis | Wyzard, it seems so, I was confused |
| 01:18.30 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: (dpkg -l nvidia-glx xorg) |
| 01:18.37 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: so you need nvidia-glx (of the same version as the kernel module you're using, but right now it seems you just don't have it at all) |
| 01:18.57 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: Are you running lenny by any chance? |
| 01:19.03 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: nvidia-glx must also be a version that is compatible with your X server |
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| 01:19.28 | \amethyst | ohh... right |
| 01:19.35 | \amethyst | nvidia's drivers still aren't in etch |
| 01:19.38 | jimm | LunarCrisis: did you install the resulting .deb? |
| 01:19.38 | \amethyst | err |
| 01:19.40 | \amethyst | in lenny |
| 01:19.45 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 01:19.56 | LunarCrisis | nvidia is 1.0.8776-4 and xserver-xorg is 7.2-5 |
| 01:19.57 | Wyzard | and at one point the driver in sid didn't work with the xorg in lenny |
| 01:20.02 | Wyzard | no idea whether that's still true though |
| 01:20.22 | LunarCrisis | Wyzard, yes, I just finished the etch->lenny upgrade |
| 01:20.49 | Wyzard | Actually, nevermind, I think it was that the xorg in lenny didn't support the driver format used by the nvidia-glx in *etch* |
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| 01:20.56 | Wyzard | which is probably still true |
| 01:21.06 | jimm | well I think you may have built it correctly and all, but probably for the wrong kernel |
| 01:21.11 | LunarCrisis | I upgraded to lenny and as far as I can tell all my packages are up to date |
| 01:21.15 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: 1.0.8776-4 is the etch version of the nvidia driver |
| 01:21.26 | LunarCrisis | ooh |
| 01:21.27 | xsystemx | abrotman - apache2.conf apache.conf doesn`t exist? |
| 01:21.29 | LunarCrisis | hmm |
| 01:21.39 | LunarCrisis | what can I do about that? |
| 01:21.40 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: lenny's xorg version has dropped support for the older ABI used by older versions of the nvidia driver |
| 01:21.47 | abrotman | xsystemx: do the confmiss thing |
| 01:21.48 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: You'll need to install the nvidia drivers from sid |
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| 01:21.57 | LunarCrisis | aah =( |
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| 01:22.15 | jimm | LunarCrisis: find out what the package name is for the driver itself (or the name of the .deb file) |
| 01:22.17 | Wyzard | LunarCrisis: It didn't get upgraded during your lenny upgrade because the nvidia packages don't exist in lenny (that's why you got that <none> in aptitude) |
| 01:22.24 | \amethyst | Wyzard: lenny xorg is definitely incompatible with the sid nvidia-glx, though :( |
| 01:22.30 | Wyzard | \amethyst: oh? |
| 01:22.40 | Wyzard | hmm, that'd mean nvidia is currently unusable in lenny |
| 01:23.12 | jimm | I don't think m-a does anything special that making sure your build system is installed, building the module package and installing it |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 01:23.13 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 01:23.30 | xsystemx | abrotman - apache2: Syntax error on line 29 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: ServerRoot takes one argument, Common directory of server-related files (logs, confs, etc.) |
| 01:23.34 | \amethyst | probably to make the xorg 7.3 transition in lenny easier |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | jelly-ho: did you email neilm yet? |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | xsystemx: that's the new one ? what's the line ? |
| 01:23.58 | jimm | I misread that as "did you smell snails yet" |
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| 01:24.11 | \amethyst | Wyzard: lenny xorg needs xserver-xorg-video-1, but nvidia-glx provides xserver-xorg-video-2 |
| 01:24.26 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:24.34 | xsystemx | abrotman - ran dpkg, then apache2 -k start and get that error |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | xsystemx: what is the line? |
| 01:24.48 | \amethyst | Wyzard: you can have them installed at the same time (if you have another driver installed, for example), but they're not ABI-compatible |
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| 01:25.01 | Wyzard | so lenny's xorg is caught between two different ABI changes |
| 01:25.09 | LunarCrisis | am I going to be stuck without the nvidia driver? |
| 01:25.09 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:25.19 | \amethyst | Well, I'm not sure why the etch version isn't working |
| 01:25.22 | Wyzard | and there's an nvidia driver for the old ABI and one for the new ABI, but none for the one in the middle |
| 01:25.34 | jimm | what purpose was served by upgrading to lenny? |
| 01:25.35 | Wyzard | \amethyst: The issue with the etch version is the object file format |
| 01:25.46 | LunarCrisis | jimm, having more up to date packages |
| 01:25.47 | xsystemx | abrotman - ran dpkg, then apache2 -k start and get that error |
| 01:26.06 | Wyzard | \amethyst: I helped someone troubleshoot that once before, and it turned out that xorg no longer has a loader for that format, or something to that effect |
| 01:26.14 | jimm | oh, =hello=, a specific reason :) |
| 01:26.14 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: one option is to go to snapshot.debian.net and find an intermediate version |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | xsystemx: what is the line? |
| 01:26.38 | LunarCrisis | pidgin and newer versions of pyqt off the top of my head |
| 01:26.43 | inv_arp[work] | I run etch.. yet want a package from sid .. how I tell aptitude to differentiate? |
| 01:26.48 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: since, when lenny's current xorg was in sid, I believe there was a working driver in sid |
| 01:26.55 | Wyzard | !tell inv_arp[work] about simple sid backport |
| 01:26.59 | abrotman | LunarCrisis: the gaim in etch works perfectly fine |
| 01:27.08 | jimm | which you needed for a specific purpose? |
| 01:27.08 | inv_arp[work] | thx |
| 01:27.10 | Wyzard | inv_arp[work]: Also, check backports.org first |
| 01:27.24 | jimm | you get the idea. I'm not continuing |
| 01:27.35 | LunarCrisis | well, I want to run anki |
| 01:27.41 | xsystemx | abrotman - ServerRoot "" |
| 01:27.45 | LunarCrisis | and anki does not run without a new version of pyqt |
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| 01:28.00 | jimm | you could try backporting the package, or just building the upstream source |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | xsystemx: that's it ? |
| 01:28.20 | LunarCrisis | jimm, is what you are trying to tell me that I should not use lenny? |
| 01:28.30 | jimm | well see... |
| 01:28.40 | peleg | should I reboot to refresh group permissions? |
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| 01:28.55 | jimm | the thing is, you're presently faced with a situation that came about because you upgraded |
| 01:28.57 | eldereko | can anyone tell me how to install debian over ssh? |
| 01:28.59 | Wyzard | peleg: permissions of what? |
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| 01:29.02 | jimm | for better or worse, it happened |
| 01:29.29 | peleg | Wyzard: I have added a user to a group, but it seems like it still not acting as if it is part of that group |
| 01:29.31 | xsystemx | abrotman - yup |
| 01:29.42 | peleg | though: "groups" shows that group name... |
| 01:29.42 | abrotman | xsystemx: change it to something usable |
| 01:29.53 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: I think version 100.14.11-1 will work |
| 01:30.10 | Wyzard | peleg: Group membership is applied at login time, so the user needs to log out and back in |
| 01:30.12 | jimm | people here will tell you "I'll be testing you to see if you know X Y and Z,,, if you don't, I'll claim you shouldn't do BLA" |
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| 01:30.17 | zwox | hi o/ |
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| 01:30.29 | jimm | and I do that sometimes... for example |
| 01:30.36 | Wyzard | peleg: but if "groups" shows the group, then the user is in the group |
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| 01:30.52 | peleg | Wyzard: it's www-data; should I restart apache, then? |
| 01:30.55 | LunarCrisis | ok, so you really do want to know if I had a specific reason =) |
| 01:30.58 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: you can download the nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from there, m-a a-i that nvidia-kernel-source, and install that nvidia-glx |
| 01:31.15 | Wyzard | peleg: You added a user to the www-data group? |
| 01:31.29 | jimm | I'll say: if you don't know how to find your own problems and solve them (in whatever language, just learn it and deal with the issue), then you should not run sid, further if you are going to try to do real work, sid is not stable enough for that. |
| 01:31.32 | LunarCrisis | \amethyst, so I will add those to my local repo and follow the same procedure as normal? |
| 01:31.51 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: should work |
| 01:32.06 | zwox | i've bootstraped a lenny on a fujitsu stylistic 2300 and i was wondering if there's any way other than recompiling the driver to get the pen-click to work |
| 01:32.24 | peleg | Wyzard: the full story is as the following: www-data belongs to svn group, and svn group owns "file"; "file" has "rwxrwx---", so www-data should be able to do anything with file. still, I get a permission error when - using the web - apache tries to do something with that file. |
| 01:32.28 | LunarCrisis | jimm, I'm not trying to use sid, I'm trying to use lenny |
| 01:32.44 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: if it doesn't work, you can try slightly older version (search for nvidia-kernel-source on snapshot.debian.net) |
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| 01:32.53 | jimm | LunarCrisis: but some people use some off kilter tests to see whether they think someone should or should not run something, I disagree strongly with that approach; I think people should run what they want |
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| 01:33.23 | sebas891 | hi, anyone got a problem similar the /etc/shadow disapeared at some point... |
| 01:33.29 | xsystemx | abrotman - example? |
| 01:33.32 | Wyzard | peleg: I don't know if group membership works like that for a daemon like apache, since it doesn't go through any sort of normal login process |
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| 01:33.41 | eldereko | can debian be installed over ssh? |
| 01:33.53 | peleg | Wyzard: I'll try restart.. |
| 01:33.55 | nevyn | eldereko: yes |
| 01:33.55 | sebas891 | I "lost" it on 2 systems. |
| 01:34.11 | sebas891 | eldereko: yes. |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | xsystemx: ServerRoot "/etc/apache2" |
| 01:34.26 | \amethyst | LunarCrisis: err, rather search for nvidia-glx |
| 01:34.27 | peleg | Wyzard: worked... now you know! :-) |
| 01:34.37 | jimm | but here, it -seems- like you have some pretty vague reasons to upgrade, and on top of that this upgrade has caused you a problem (solvable? sure, but you seem pretty loud about the complaint as of this point) |
| 01:34.52 | LunarCrisis | jimm, in this case, I'm helping my sister run what she wants =/ I run what I want on my laptop, but it's not debian, so I am a little less familiar with debian. |
| 01:34.57 | eldereko | can anyone tell me how to do it? I need to install on a remote box |
| 01:35.16 | LunarCrisis | jimm, I'm just trying to get the situation straight before I decide for sure what to do |
| 01:35.27 | jimm | so this calls into question whether you should have upgraded, HOWEVER that judgement should be yours |
| 01:35.30 | Wyzard | eldereko: Searching Google for "Debian SSH install" turns up "HOWTO - Install Debian Onto a Remote Linux System" as the third result |
| 01:36.04 | Wyzard | eldereko: but that assumes the target machine is already running some other Linux-based OS |
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| 01:36.16 | jimm | I'm just saying it's questionable, you'll have to tell us whether you think it's good or bad |
| 01:36.19 | LunarCrisis | \amethyst, thanks for the help |
| 01:36.25 | eldereko | right, I've actually read that but the issue is the remote computer has no OS at all |
| 01:36.47 | Wyzard | eldereko: In that case you need to boot something on it that can run an SSH server |
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| 01:36.52 | Wyzard | eldereko: You can't SSH into a machine with no OS |
| 01:36.58 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea if and how I can forcibly close an open file descriptor for a process which is not my own? |
| 01:37.11 | nevyn | do you have a remote console or a remote pair of arms and legs? |
| 01:37.11 | Wyzard | eldereko: I think there might be an option on the Debian install CD to run sshd, though I'm not sure |
| 01:37.16 | eldereko | I have the debian install cd in and booted and I have someone to run basic commands to get it started |
| 01:37.30 | nevyn | eldereko: do you have a scratch box nearby. |
| 01:37.38 | eldereko | sure |
| 01:37.55 | nevyn | step them through the process using a scratch system and the same install disk |
| 01:38.15 | nevyn | they should be able to get to a point where sshd is running before disk partitioning or any of the other hard stuff.. |
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| 01:38.25 | jimm | while I disagree with their approach, I agree with their reason: it's very difficult to support a moving target |
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| 01:38.47 | eldereko | is sshd loaded by default during the install process? |
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| 01:39.19 | nevyn | eldereko: there's a dynamically installed part of the installer that let's you ssh in and do the install |
| 01:39.36 | nevyn | but you need to probably get networkinging going.. and configure the console.. |
| 01:39.37 | Nyle | o |
| 01:39.37 | Nyle | no |
| 01:39.40 | sebas891 | Should I be worry if the /etc/shadow is not there anymore ? I can still login... |
| 01:39.51 | tvynr | eldereko: If what you're asking is whether or not sshd is installed by default from the Debian installer, the answer is no. |
| 01:40.18 | eldereko | how do I get ssh available during the install? |
| 01:40.24 | tvynr | Anyone know if I can close an OS level pipe if I'm not the process that opened it? |
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| 01:41.52 | jimm | why do I recognize that nic |
| 01:42.07 | o2T7 | hi |
| 01:42.49 | \amethyst | tvynr: no, but you can use gdb to attach to the process and force it to close the pipe |
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| 01:43.23 | jimm | sebas891: perhaps you're not running the -stable- branch of debian... |
| 01:43.36 | o2T7 | \amethyst: I guess that he didn't catch it :\ |
| 01:44.09 | sebas891 | jimm: is it a "new" thing not to have a /etc/shadow ? |
| 01:44.51 | sebas891 | I'm running a few vserver-guests with sarge and now etch. |
| 01:45.15 | Wyzard | sebas891: afaik, /etc/shadow should always exist |
| 01:45.34 | Wyzard | sebas891: unless you're not using shadow passwords, but that's a bad idea (and I don't think Debian even offers that option anymore) |
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| 01:45.51 | FiendishFish | What is the dir /opt/ for? |
| 01:47.28 | Wyzard | FiendishFish: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES |
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| 01:47.59 | Wyzard | FiendishFish: basically, self-contained applications |
| 01:48.07 | sebas891 | Wyzard: ok. could it be that the passwords are only store in /etc/passwd and not in shadow ... ? |
| 01:48.29 | Wyzard | sebas891: That's what I meant by "not using shadow passwords" |
| 01:49.08 | Wyzard | sebas891: Does /etc/passwd have an 'x' in the second field (i.e. after the username and first colon) on every line? |
| 01:49.08 | jimm | sebas891 no, it's quite old |
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| 01:49.50 | jimm | the shadow passwd suite came into debian around the time of bo or thereabouts |
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| 01:49.53 | sebas891 | Wyzard: I have a few debian running, I see on some that I have the passwd in shadow with a x in the second field in passwd |
| 01:49.55 | jimm | !codenames |
| 01:49.55 | dpkg | it has been said that codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 01:50.03 | jimm | or maybe hamm |
| 01:50.19 | Wyzard | sebas891: I mean on the machine where /etc/shadow doesn't exist |
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| 01:51.54 | sebas891 | Wyzard: where the shadow doesn't exist the second field doesn't have a x in has a ! or * |
| 01:52.18 | Wyzard | sebas891: then you're apparently not using shadow passwords |
| 01:52.49 | Wyzard | sebas891: The '!' or '*' mean accounts with login disabled, typically system accounts; presumably your human users have actual password hashes there instead |
| 01:52.50 | sebas891 | how is that a "'bad" thing ? |
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| 01:53.25 | Wyzard | sebas891: Any user can read /etc/passwd, so a malicious user can look at the password hashes and use them to crack other users' passwords |
| 01:53.27 | sebas891 | Wyzard: exactly, the user accounts have the hashes. |
| 01:53.51 | Wyzard | sebas891: /etc/shadow isn't readable by normal users, so malicious users can't see other users' password hashes |
| 01:53.51 | Hyphenex_ | I've just set up a computer running debian (and automatically log into X with a user account and host VNC on that connection) however, I'm just wondering now, because I've not got a monitor plugged into that computer, I can't change the screen resolution (leaving a res of 600x480 over VNC) very annoying |
| 01:54.08 | o2T7 | Do you know a way of assigning a different mac address to an already up NIC? |
| 01:54.25 | sebas891 | Wyzard: oh! that is a good reason not to have the hashes in /etc/passwd |
| 01:54.33 | Wyzard | sebas891: That's why shadow passwords have been in use for a long time |
| 01:54.37 | jimm | sebas891: exactly |
| 01:55.02 | Wyzard | sebas891: Apparently whatever set up your vservers didn't do that, though |
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| 01:55.52 | sebas891 | that is a "bad" setup! Well, I have the task of changing the situation now! |
| 01:56.06 | Hyphenex_ | can anybody tell me how to change the resolution? |
| 01:56.27 | o2T7 | I mean, having two virtual interfaces, say eth0 and eth0:1 but each one of them with a different hw address |
| 01:56.53 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: Assuming you're using Xvnc, there's probably some command-line option to specify the resolution it uses |
| 01:56.55 | o2T7 | Hyphenex: Did you try with your X config file? |
| 01:57.14 | o2T7 | Wyzard: Sorry |
| 01:57.30 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: so whatever setup you have to automatically launch Xvnc at startup, change it to pass an appropriate resolution option |
| 01:57.31 | sebas891 | Wyzard jimm: any hints on how to change location of the password from the /etc/passwd to the /etc/shadow ? |
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| 01:58.42 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: I think I'm using Gnomes VNC server, not Xvnc |
| 01:58.56 | jimm | isn't there a script that turns shadow passwds on and off, and also turns md5 or the crypt-style passwds on and off? look in your /etc/passwd file, look in the second column,,, do you see funny chars there? |
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| 02:00.28 | o2T7 | Is it possible to have different MAC addresses on several virtual interfaces? |
| 02:00.30 | Tramp | jimm: pwconv/pwunconv maybe |
| 02:00.44 | jimm | well yeah I suppose |
| 02:00.55 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: so you're running a "real" X server (driving a video card) and mirroring it to VNC with vino? |
| 02:00.59 | jimm | but I thought some debian maint wrote some script |
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| 02:01.21 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: On a headless box it'd make more sense to use Xvnc (which is an X server that's just a VNC server, with no video card involved) |
| 02:01.22 | jimm | those came in with the shadow passwd suite |
| 02:01.24 | magyar | hi, when will 2.6.24 make it to Lenny? |
| 02:01.27 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: that sounds exactly what I'm doing... but without a monitor plugged in :) |
| 02:01.56 | Nyle | !ping |
| 02:01.56 | dpkg | pong |
| 02:01.58 | jimm | magyar: when rootbeer loses bananas, peanutbutter, mayonaise, anchovies and pepperoni |
| 02:02.08 | jimm | I don't know :) |
| 02:02.13 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: I wanted a few programs to boot when I turn the computer on, then only have to worry about VNC'ing in to occasionally use/check things |
| 02:03.07 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: Makes sense, but using a regular X server to drive a video card means you have to deal with configuration for a video card even if you're not actually "using" the video card |
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| 02:03.20 | sebas891 | thanks jimm, Wyzard and Tramp ! man pwconv is the answer! |
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| 02:03.38 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: yep, that way I can plug in the monitor if/when I want to :) |
| 02:03.56 | jimm | sebas891: man shadowconfig |
| 02:04.14 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: ok |
| 02:04.27 | sebas891 | jimm: :) perfect! |
| 02:04.34 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: Well, you'll need to edit your xorg.conf to specify the resolution you want, then |
| 02:04.47 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: Perfect, Thanks :) |
| 02:04.53 | jimm | so -yes-, some maint -did- write some script... it's called shadowconfig |
| 02:05.10 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: With modern monitors, xorg can automatically figure out an approprite mode by asking the monitor (such as using an LCD monitor's native resolution), but that doesn't work if there's no monitor plugged in |
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| 02:05.35 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: yep, so I just need the settings set up first :) |
| 02:05.48 | Hyphenex_ | wait, maybe I should be asking one more question first. How do I enable remote ssh logins? |
| 02:07.29 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: Install sshd |
| 02:07.42 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: I thought it would already have been installed |
| 02:07.53 | Wyzard | It might be |
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| 02:08.28 | Wyzard | depending on what package sets you selected at the end of the installation procedure |
| 02:08.54 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: I have no idea what I'm editing here |
| 02:09.51 | Wyzard | In your xorg.conf? |
| 02:10.00 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: yep :) |
| 02:10.20 | Wyzard | I don't remember the details offhand of configuring modes in xorg.conf (I took all mine out and just use autodetection) but I'm sure you can find info with Google (or just man xorg.conf) |
| 02:11.11 | o2T7 | Well, this is the scenary. A production server, with a PCI interface connected to a LAN and using its original MAC address. A second NIC, which is temporarily down and obviously has a different MAC address. In order to test some firewall rules which rely on MAC addresses, i need to create a virtual NIC with the second card MAC address without changing the original card's one. Is it possible? |
| 02:11.26 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: http://paste2.org/p/13716 |
| 02:12.26 | o2T7 | Hyphenex_: Those are the client's configs or the server ones? |
| 02:12.38 | Hyphenex_ | Server's configs :) |
| 02:12.39 | xsdg | o2T7: I believe you can spoof the MAC address of interface aliases, but I'm not positive |
| 02:12.52 | xsdg | o2T7: an alias, ftr, is something like eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. |
| 02:12.52 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: The Modes lines are the resolutions to use, with the first one being the default (there are hotkeys for switching to the others, on the server's keyboard) |
| 02:13.07 | o2T7 | xsdg: I tried with ifconfig and with macchanger with no luck :( |
| 02:13.19 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: but xorg will ignore modes that it thinks the monitor doesn't support, based on the monitor's horizontal and vertical sync frequency ranges |
| 02:13.33 | xsdg | o2T7: dunno then, sorry :o/ |
| 02:13.50 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: so how do I 'force' it to run at 1024x768 |
| 02:14.00 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: Since the file doesn't specify the monitor's supported ranges, and it can't autodetect from the monitor because there's none plugged in, it uses a set of conservative defaults |
| 02:14.05 | o2T7 | If i change the hw address of eth0:1 then eth0's one changes too |
| 02:14.20 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: The conservative defaults basically represent a very low-end monitor that can't do anything more than 640x480 |
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| 02:14.40 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: You'll need to specify a set of sync ranges that support higher resolutions |
| 02:14.46 | o2T7 | Perhaps with any other tool? (iptables or something?) |
| 02:14.56 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: sounds confusing |
| 02:15.36 | Wyzard | Hyphenex_: Well, all you need to do is add HorizSync and VertRefresh lines to the "Monitor" section (look up the details in the xorg.conf manpage) |
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| 02:15.51 | xsdg | o2T7: if that's true, it means you probably don't get to change eth0's and eth0:1's mac addies independently |
| 02:15.52 | Hyphenex_ | Wyzard: okies, Thanks |
| 02:15.57 | Wyzard | but you'll need to look up what values are appropriate for a generic 1024x768-capable monitor |
| 02:15.57 | xsdg | o2T7: just a guess, though |
| 02:16.07 | yaboo | stupid question trying to build a server to handle my dsl etc. currently packets do not travel from one end of the box out to the dsl, what do I need to do to make packets travel in and out |
| 02:16.57 | Wyzard | o2T7: I don't think that's possible, and in fact the whole "alias interfaces" feature (eth0:1, eth0:2, etc.) is deprecated in favor of just assigning multiple IPs to eth0 |
| 02:17.09 | o2T7 | Hyphenex: Also, if a card is not able to display a high resolution in a big depth of colors it falls down to a lower resolution. So if you lower the depth of colours you can raise the resolution. i.e. 16 bit at 1024x768 |
| 02:17.30 | Wyzard | o2T7: 2.4 kernels only supported one IP address per interface, so alias interfaces were a workaround to allow using multiple IPs on the same physical NIC |
| 02:18.00 | Wyzard | o2T7: They're not a full virtualization system for network cards, and the limitation that they were meant to work around is nonexistent these days |
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| 02:18.24 | Joelito | r3, yay :D |
| 02:18.30 | o2T7 | Wyzard: I had thought about an external tool which spoofed the MAC address field of the outgoing packets as if it was a NAT system |
| 02:18.39 | Wyzard | o2T7: You might be able to do it with dummy interfaces, by bridging your eth0 together with some dummy interfaces and assigning MACs to the dummy interfaces |
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| 02:19.22 | Wyzard | o2T7: Or you could use a tool like packeth to just generate frames with whatever source address you want |
| 02:20.01 | Nyle | clear |
| 02:20.07 | o2T7 | Does it manipulate packets in real time? |
| 02:20.48 | Wyzard | o2T7: I've never used packeth, but I believe it just generates packets based on options you specify; it doesn't intercept and manipulate existing packets |
| 02:21.10 | Wyzard | o2T7: There are some other packet-generator tools too; look around a bit |
| 02:21.59 | Wyzard | o2T7: or you could just plug in another machine to the network, and configure the MAC address on that |
| 02:22.44 | o2T7 | Yes :), you are right, or even a usb ethernet NIC. Thank you for you info ;) |
| 02:22.48 | Wyzard | o2T7: If the problem is temporary (a NIC that's damaged or whatever), a simple temporary workaround like that may be all you really need |
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| 02:23.24 | minus198 | Hi, I want to WGet a couple of files that are named the same with the difference of "Name_name-xxx.jpg" where "xxx" is a number from 001 to 295. How do I make a forloop for this? |
| 02:23.45 | o2T7 | minus: seq |
| 02:24.00 | Wyzard | minus198: bash has a feature for expanding number ranges |
| 02:24.16 | minus198 | Wyzard, ok.. |
| 02:24.16 | o2T7 | for in in `seq 100 295`;do wget Name_name-$i;done |
| 02:24.27 | xsdg | minus198: wget http://www.foo.com/bar/bat_{111,222,333,444}.jpg |
| 02:24.34 | xsdg | minus198: `man bash` is your friend |
| 02:24.51 | Wyzard | minus198: echo {1..10} |
| 02:24.58 | Wyzard | minerale: gives you "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10" |
| 02:25.17 | Wyzard | so you could write a forloop like "for num in {1..295}" |
| 02:25.28 | Wyzard | though if you need the leading zeros, it gets a bit more complicated |
| 02:26.03 | Wyzard | for num in {0{0{1..9},{10..99}},100..295} |
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| 02:26.46 | minus198 | hm.. " for in in `seq 100 295`;do wget Name_name-$i;done" Doesn't work.. Cause it goes from: "1 - 295" and not from "001 to 295" |
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| 02:27.08 | Wyzard | wget http://server/Name_name-{0{0{1..9},{10..99}},100..295}.jpg |
| 02:27.12 | o2T7 | That's why i put `seq 100 295` ;) |
| 02:27.16 | Tramp | printf "%03d $i |
| 02:27.22 | Tramp | printf "%03d" $i |
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| 02:28.03 | Wyzard | indeed, printf is a good solution if you need to generalize this (e.g. if the starting and ending numbers will vary) |
| 02:28.30 | Wyzard | If it's just a one-shot, you can use the command I mentioned |
| 02:30.24 | Joelito | anyone got url for r3 net install? |
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| 02:30.43 | minus198 | thanks tramp |
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| 02:31.31 | \amethyst | minus198: for i in $(printf "%03d " $(seq 100 295)); do ... done |
| 02:31.50 | minus198 | \amethyst, Well.. Its already solved. |
| 02:31.56 | minus198 | I did it in another way |
| 02:32.00 | \amethyst | ah |
| 02:32.36 | minus198 | in the "do wget" i did: "http://asdfdf.com/`printf "%03d" $i`.jpg |
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| 02:36.06 | DawnLight | !give wyzard fhs |
| 02:36.11 | DawnLight | read it |
| 02:36.31 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:38.10 | DawnLight | so i guess that i should make a directory in /var because "/var contains variable data files. This includes spool directories and files..." and i know that it will be safe because "Applications must generally not add directories to the top level of /var." |
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| 02:38.36 | DawnLight | i am setting up an IMAP server that will serve several maildirs to users at the LAN. the maildirs it serves are fetched using mpop via cron. my question is about paths and users. where should i make mpop dump the mail? should i create an mpop user and group that cron will run mpop as? |
| 02:38.42 | Wyzard | DawnLight: What are you trying to find a place for? |
| 02:38.49 | DawnLight | beat ya to it |
| 02:39.00 | r3m0t | hello. I want to create a small side-installation of Linux which boots as fast as possible and includes not much (but does have X). would Debian be appropriate? |
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| 02:39.16 | DawnLight | at least in my buffer. i have lag |
| 02:39.23 | Wyzard | DawnLight: There are packaged IMAP servers that already have good defaults for where to find the mailboxes |
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| 02:40.06 | DawnLight | Wyzard: so that about solves it :) i am thinking dovecot. recommendations? |
| 02:40.29 | Wyzard | DawnLight: /var/mail is the canonical place where mail for system users is stored |
| 02:40.37 | Wyzard | DawnLight: (/var/spool/mail is a symlink to /var/mail) |
| 02:40.49 | DawnLight | Wyzard: this isn't mail for local users |
| 02:41.14 | DawnLight | a slight semantic, but i think it changes things |
| 02:42.15 | Wyzard | DawnLight: It might, but rather than inventing your own location, it'd be best to read the documentation for your IMAP server software and see what they recommend for such a configuration |
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| 02:42.42 | DawnLight | Wyzard: aight. thanks |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | r3m0t: it's reasonable |
| 02:45.30 | r3m0t | abrotman: good because I got a bootable debian disk in this mag ;-) |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | r3m0t: that's a goo dstart |
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| 02:48.29 | pedro_mg | I want to disable an auto service startup: update-rc.d service stop 20 2 3 4 5 . |
| 02:48.42 | pedro_mg | wouldn't this be enough ? |
| 02:49.49 | liable | you have to use -f if the init script is still there |
| 02:49.53 | liable | !services |
| 02:49.53 | dpkg | from memory, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 02:51.35 | pedro_mg | but then to start the script manually i coulnd use invoke-rc.d again, right ? |
| 02:52.59 | liable | yeah |
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| 02:54.53 | pedro_mg | ok, so i'll go update-rc.d -f script remove |
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| 02:55.48 | pedro_mg | would it be wise to keep the /etc/init.d/script in case i want to make it active at startup again ? |
| 02:56.05 | liable | yes |
| 02:56.07 | pedro_mg | (default startup 20 prior) |
| 02:56.13 | pedro_mg | k thanks |
| 02:57.09 | Tramp | pedro_mg: if you do that, first read man update-rc.d and search for "error" |
| 02:57.44 | Tramp | pedro_mg: so you for sure know what you are doing |
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| 02:58.05 | bujin | i |
| 02:58.06 | bujin | hi |
| 02:58.07 | ignu | If '$PATH' gives the paths to each directory where apps (or packages) are, then what command would I use in order to find the path to a specific app? (in particular, I'm trying to find the path to mozilla (or iceape, actually) |
| 02:58.08 | bujin | a question |
| 02:58.31 | bujin | im going to install debian ... stable ... and i would like to install compiz |
| 02:58.35 | bujin | how can i do that? |
| 02:58.47 | Tramp | ignu: man which |
| 02:59.30 | pedro_mg | Tramp, i read it already, twice. I tested the "manual" remove and then the "auto" remove without -f just for checking. Backed up the init scripts and done the removal now. |
| 02:59.37 | pedro_mg | tx |
| 03:00.25 | Tramp | pedro_mg: fine. So you know the links will be restored when you update the package. |
| 03:01.05 | ignu | Tramp: thx much |
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| 03:01.15 | Tramp | np |
| 03:02.04 | pedro_mg | Tramp, the package is updated manually, it's TOR, thanks. |
| 03:04.43 | liable | bujin: check to see if its in backports. if not, you would have to use some third party repo, which we dont really support here. |
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| 03:07.13 | DawnLight | Wyzard: now i'm thinking that i should create a user named 'office' or something like that and follow debian/dovecot conventions. the default dovecot configuration suggests using each user's system password for imap authentication and each user's own maildir in his home. so this seems natural |
| 03:07.43 | Wyzard | DawnLight: I thought your mail users aren't system users though? |
| 03:09.33 | DawnLight | Wyzard: i have one 'mail user' and that is the entire office, which uses the same email address from one client in one computer. i'm setting up a mail fetcher and an imap server so that each could do it from his/her workstation |
| 03:10.13 | DawnLight | so i'll create a somewhat virtual user, that corresponds to the whole office |
| 03:10.30 | DawnLight | sounds right? |
| 03:10.31 | Wyzard | DawnLight: That seems like a strange mail setup to me, but creating an "office" system user sounds like a good way to implement it |
| 03:11.11 | DawnLight | i've suggested that they each have their own account, but their IT guy insists |
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| 03:11.26 | o2T7 | DawnLight: You still can do that, just using procmail or similar which organizes your emails and running a task wich rsync or moves them to their definitive location |
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| 03:12.10 | ignu | Any suggestions what to do with this? 'Oops Our new video player is only available for: Windows 2000/XP/Vista - Internet Explorer, Firefox Mac - Firefox, Safari' ... Can I actually get Firefox on a debian install? |
| 03:12.16 | Wyzard | DawnLight: What sort of competent IT person insists there be only one email account for an entire office? |
| 03:12.17 | DawnLight | o2T7: i don't know what you're suggesting, but using mpop/dovecot-imapd looks pretty simple |
| 03:12.28 | DawnLight | Wyzard: non of that sort |
| 03:12.48 | o2T7 | Yes, I use dovecot, fetchmail, procmail and my mail user agent |
| 03:13.04 | o2T7 | You can centralize you mail in one single account |
| 03:13.19 | o2T7 | Then use procmail to organize your emails in different mailboxes |
| 03:13.32 | DawnLight | o2T7: i am not centralizing. the fact is that there is only one email address |
| 03:13.48 | o2T7 | Easier then |
| 03:14.12 | o2T7 | Although no matters, i.e. fetchmail can do the job with one or mores email acconts |
| 03:14.17 | o2T7 | acoounts* |
| 03:14.26 | o2T7 | puf |
| 03:14.28 | DawnLight | 'office' user, mpop fetches, dovecot serves |
| 03:14.29 | o2T7 | accounts* |
| 03:14.37 | jim | DawnLight: they're asking why that's been decided, and why each person doesn't have their own email so they can conduct regular business using it |
| 03:15.04 | jim | and don't bother answering -me- because I don't particularly care |
| 03:15.14 | DawnLight | was about to |
| 03:15.59 | jim | they might as well hand you the docs and let you have at it |
| 03:16.14 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:16.14 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:16.27 | jim | abrotman: :P |
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| 03:17.24 | jim | I suppose I'm not in the greatest of moods atm given I am in the process of trying to support a friend who just suffered a catastrophic loss |
| 03:17.27 | ignu | As far as I have seen, this is the best Debian irc chat site. What is the 2nd best? |
| 03:17.39 | DawnLight | jim: a relative? |
| 03:17.54 | DawnLight | ignu: this is also the second best |
| 03:18.13 | ignu | Is there a 3rd best? :-) |
| 03:18.14 | jim | no, but a long time friend |
| 03:18.20 | abrotman | jim: i assume you don't mean hardware ... |
| 03:18.21 | DawnLight | jim: i meant the loss |
| 03:18.26 | jim | nope |
| 03:18.45 | jim | wish that could have been the case |
| 03:19.11 | DawnLight | does he/you beleive in reincarnation? |
| 03:20.35 | jim | sory but I can't really have this conversation; I'll deal as I can |
| 03:21.41 | DawnLight | my policy with death is that i would very much like to die and meet my maker and loved ones who have passed on and all that. but a little more than that, i want to live :) |
| 03:22.04 | jim | DawnLight: just do your thing... but I'd suggest you look at the things the others are saying and consider them as possibilities |
| 03:22.48 | DawnLight | thanks jim |
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| 03:35.56 | cire | damn, I used vlc on my media server to provide an mpeg2 stream of some clips directly to my satellite receiver. Now mpeg2 support semms to be dropped. Since when is this? Is there an unofficial repo with mpeg2 support? |
| 03:36.30 | abrotman | you could try xine ? |
| 03:36.58 | cire | my satellite receiver runs linux and expects the vlc http interface for controlling. |
| 03:37.17 | jetscreamer | htf could mpeg2 support be dropped. not going to do dvd's? |
| 03:37.31 | jetscreamer | maybe the support wasn't compiled in |
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| 03:37.55 | jetscreamer | which would be even more weird, since vlc's claim to fame is 'illl play anything' |
| 03:38.00 | jetscreamer | i'll |
| 03:38.22 | cire | actually I get this error from ffmpeg (does vlc use that?) |
| 03:38.27 | jetscreamer | mplayer |
| 03:38.32 | jetscreamer | not sure about vlc |
| 03:38.33 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 03:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignu: iceweasel is firefox in every regard... it seems your website complains it's not running on windows :) |
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| 03:39.37 | cire | I loved this feature... just running "vlc --intf=http" on my linux server, and I was able to control my whole media library with my receiver's remote... |
| 03:39.37 | jetscreamer | where did you get this vlc? |
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| 03:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | (in every regard for your problem) |
| 03:39.56 | cire | apt-get install vlc (unstable) |
| 03:40.23 | cire | google tells: this problem seems to be there since vlc 0.8.6c |
| 03:40.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.38 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 03:40.43 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 03:40.51 | jetscreamer | player rocks! |
| 03:40.53 | jetscreamer | err |
| 03:40.55 | jetscreamer | mplayer |
| 03:41.19 | cire | yeah, playing is not the problem. I have to ENCODE the clips to mpeg2 since my receiver has a mpeg2 hardware decoder |
| 03:41.31 | jetscreamer | just use mencoder |
| 03:41.37 | jetscreamer | send it to vlc |
| 03:41.40 | cire | I actually have to use vlc since my receivers software expects the vlc http interface |
| 03:41.52 | jetscreamer | encode it with mencoder i mean |
| 03:42.07 | cire | how do I tell vlc to use mencoder? |
| 03:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kick jetscreamer |
| 03:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: :-P |
| 03:42.25 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 03:42.31 | jetscreamer | not sure cire |
| 03:42.42 | jetscreamer | vlc is fugly so i never got into it :) |
| 03:42.56 | jetscreamer | eyecandy ftw... or cli |
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| 03:43.57 | jetscreamer | but some stdin/out i would imagine |
| 03:44.47 | jetscreamer | you probably want to figure out why it's not working like it did though |
| 03:45.09 | cire | read something about officially dropped mpeg2 encoding support |
| 03:47.10 | Facedown | vlc > * |
| 03:47.36 | cire | what does this mean? (vlc > *) |
| 03:47.57 | jetscreamer | pebkac |
| 03:48.02 | jetscreamer | he meant < |
| 03:48.06 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:48.07 | Facedown | vlc > * |
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| 03:48.15 | jetscreamer | do the math |
| 03:48.29 | jetscreamer | or basic programming |
| 03:48.42 | Facedown | finally.. the rock HAS COME BACK To atlanta |
| 03:48.45 | jetscreamer | eval arg |
| 03:48.48 | cire | vlc is bigger than all? |
| 03:48.56 | jetscreamer | greater than |
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| 03:49.19 | Facedown | wow. |
| 03:49.28 | jetscreamer | language probably |
| 03:49.35 | Facedown | must be the only person on irc i've met who doesn't know that |
| 03:49.36 | Facedown | ;p |
| 03:49.58 | cire | I'm not that often in irc. And english is not my native language. |
| 03:50.07 | jetscreamer | s'ok |
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| 03:50.29 | jetscreamer | so you admit that you don't waste months of your life on irc??? you n00b! |
| 03:50.49 | jetscreamer | that was yetanotherjetjoke if you couldn't tell |
| 03:50.56 | Math^ | jetscreamer: yes, whats up? :P |
| 03:51.25 | Math^ | ^^ |
| 03:51.57 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean lawl? |
| 03:52.36 | cire | Facedown: if you think vlc is greater than all, and you also think that pebkac, coukd you give me a hint how to get mpeg2 encoding support reenabled? Or perhaps whether this is a vlc or ffmpeg problem? |
| 03:52.39 | jetscreamer | lol is so passe |
| 03:52.39 | Math^ | lole |
| 03:52.59 | Nyle | I ate too much subway and now I feel sick |
| 03:53.07 | Nyle | damn that Jared |
| 03:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but lawl is very fit for the discussion you just had... |
| 03:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lawl |
| 03:53.10 | dpkg | from memory, lawl is the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle. |
| 03:53.18 | Nyle | !grow up |
| 03:53.18 | dpkg | Awwww, but it's fun to be a kid! |
| 03:53.29 | abrotman | stop playing with the damn bot |
| 03:53.33 | Math^ | !omg |
| 03:53.33 | dpkg | omg is, like, what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
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| 03:54.16 | Facedown | Nyle: i just ate 3 white castle burgers |
| 03:54.20 | Facedown | 2 regular chicken burgers |
| 03:54.25 | Facedown | and 1 regular salami sandwich |
| 03:54.27 | Facedown | and i'm hungry. |
| 03:54.38 | Facedown | <-- 6'1 140 lbs.. |
| 03:54.42 | b0xt | I've never even been to a white castle. |
| 03:54.43 | Facedown | wtf man |
| 03:54.47 | Facedown | my stomach is like |
| 03:54.48 | Facedown | acid |
| 03:54.50 | b0xt | we don't have them here. |
| 03:54.59 | Facedown | i bought a box of the frozen ones |
| 03:54.59 | ApTek | I don't think we have White Castle around here |
| 03:55.00 | Facedown | lol |
| 03:55.06 | ApTek | And I hear mixed reviews of it |
| 03:55.07 | Facedown | i dont have the actual restaurant around either |
| 03:55.12 | b0xt | how close are those to the real thing? |
| 03:55.13 | Facedown | i just wanted to try one |
| 03:55.14 | Facedown | thats all |
| 03:55.14 | Facedown | hehe |
| 03:55.16 | Facedown | dunno |
| 03:55.20 | ApTek | I think I recall seeing ads for them when I lived in PA |
| 03:55.23 | ApTek | or possibly MO |
| 03:56.16 | jetscreamer | beck's>* |
| 03:56.30 | ApTek | Never heard of it. |
| 03:56.41 | enouf | Facedown: you nick is turning me on |
| 03:56.44 | enouf | stop it |
| 03:56.54 | jetscreamer | s/you/your/ |
| 03:57.02 | Nyle | enouf: good lord |
| 03:57.11 | enouf | yeah, i miss the r a lot |
| 03:57.54 | jetscreamer | crap. i got a dvd and forgot the dvdrom isn't hooked up |
| 03:58.02 | Facedown | no homo |
| 03:58.07 | Facedown | please dont jack off because of my nick name |
| 03:58.08 | Facedown | . |
| 03:58.13 | abrotman | Facedown: stop it |
| 03:58.28 | enouf | jetscreamer: yeah, i'm about to find out just how much of a 80GB HDD a p150 award bios will see O.o |
| 03:58.29 | jetscreamer | yes you must use pc words |
| 03:58.31 | Nyle | tomorrow is off |
| 03:59.15 | jetscreamer | enouf: in the old ones you could set the stuff manually .. c/h/s |
| 03:59.26 | jetscreamer | some of the old bios' |
| 03:59.35 | Nyle | bios |
| 03:59.46 | jetscreamer | plural |
| 03:59.56 | Nyle | bioses |
| 04:00.11 | Nyle | biosii |
| 04:00.20 | Nyle | biosen |
| 04:00.21 | enouf | jetscreamer: actually, it's fairly updated for a p150 (1996/7 bios version) i recall seeing LBA even in there, IIRC - plus these 80GB Hitachis have limit jumpers |
| 04:01.45 | jetscreamer | my bios only supports up to 160, but autodetects my 200&350 np |
| 04:01.56 | jetscreamer | or was it 360 |
| 04:02.15 | enouf | it's a babyat, but it was upgraded at one point - but yep, there's the good ol' CHS in there too ;-) (though if i ever expect to see more than ~8.4GB of it, CHS is out) |
| 04:02.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.06 | Nyle | thats a lot of change |
| 04:03.24 | jetscreamer | no i meant manually set the chs |
| 04:03.32 | enouf | my p2 BIOS here that i'm on now only sees 65.535GB, but an exact same 80GB is seen fully by many OSes |
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| 04:07.27 | thasp | what are the basic packages I should have if I expect to compile anything successfully? |
| 04:07.32 | thasp | I think I am missing some basic stuff |
| 04:07.39 | thasp | rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar) |
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| 04:08.05 | enouf | jetscreamer: when i swapped out an old 200w PSU in this p2 for a spankin' new 600watter, the BIOS went a bit bonkers on 1st boot and both my Optical drives (CDRW + DVDRW) were not being even seen by BIOS - pissed me off - but finally i let it boot through and linux saw them both anyway ;-) |
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| 04:09.16 | fdjaudinesjr | thasp, sudo aptitude install build-essential |
| 04:09.35 | enouf | Johanna: turned out it was pebkac - i forgot about the silly +/- to cycle through the ide options (and consciously i knew this - subconsciously, i forgot O.o) - felt like a dope when i realized my pebkac |
| 04:09.36 | thasp | I tried apt-get build-essentials |
| 04:09.39 | thasp | I knew it was something |
| 04:09.42 | Johanna | o_o |
| 04:09.45 | thasp | thanks a lot fdjaudinesjr |
| 04:09.54 | enouf | Johanna: my bad tab, sry |
| 04:10.00 | Johanna | enouf, don't worry |
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| 04:10.22 | fdjaudinesjr | thasp, no prob |
| 04:11.10 | inFw | Hello. I'm trying to update an etch install, but it complains that libc6-i686 had non-complete dependencies. Specifically, libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2, with the currently installed version 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4. How can I fix this? |
| 04:11.25 | inFw | *non solved |
| 04:11.28 | thasp | hmm. I still get this though.. |
| 04:11.28 | thasp | rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar) |
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| 04:11.46 | enouf | thasp: if the binary is pkgd you could apt-get build-dep <pkgname>, but you likely need some rar-dev pkg from the looks of it there |
| 04:11.59 | enouf | or libc6-dev |
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| 04:12.26 | enouf | !find cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 04:12.27 | thasp | http://pastebin.ca/908142 |
| 04:12.31 | thasp | is what I get when trying apt-get |
| 04:12.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cmov/libc.so.6' (1): (/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6) in libs/libc6-i686. |
| 04:13.01 | enouf | !tell thasp -about search |
| 04:13.05 | enouf | !tell thasp -about msg the bot |
| 04:13.06 | abrotman | it's called unrar ? |
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| 04:14.24 | thasp | yes, abrotman |
| 04:15.10 | thasp | enouf, ? |
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| 04:15.34 | enouf | thasp: ? |
| 04:15.43 | thasp | hmm |
| 04:15.46 | thasp | unrar-free :D |
| 04:16.09 | enouf | !unrar |
| 04:16.09 | dpkg | well, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 04:16.15 | fdjaudinesjr | need help in configuring postfix-postgresql-web-cyradm... can't figure out what to do first in etch |
| 04:16.36 | fdjaudinesjr | anyone familiar with the setup? |
| 04:17.16 | enouf | inFw: some late mirror caching? tried other mirrors? i'm not familar at all with those specific pkgs |
| 04:17.58 | abrotman | fdjaudinesjr: probably get postfix to deliver mail .. |
| 04:18.27 | inFw | enouf, I tried an apt-get -f install (hadn't remembered) and it worked : ) |
| 04:18.33 | inFw | thanks, though :) |
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| 04:19.23 | enouf | i'm such a blind one - i completely overlooked the libc6 aspect there |
| 04:19.44 | fdjaudinesjr | abrotman, :) i'm stuck with pam and saslauthd... |
| 04:19.49 | enouf | that what i was going to suggest, but wanted to be sure 1st |
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| 04:20.09 | abrotman | fdjaudinesjr: so your postfix already works ? |
| 04:20.20 | abrotman | fdjaudinesjr: are you trying to get pam to use sasl ? |
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| 04:20.38 | thasp | Hmm, fixed it |
| 04:20.45 | enouf | heh, we're on etch5 now :-P libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13etch5) |
| 04:21.10 | thasp | removed unrar, copied unrar-free to /bin, /usr/local/bin, and /usr/bin as unrar so programs looking to use unrar would really be using unrar-free(which works) opposed to unrar, which gives the glibc error |
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| 04:22.50 | enouf | thasp: echo $PATH, does /usr/local/bin show prior in PATH to /bin ? if so, /usr/local/bin will be searched first (in order), that's why most built/compiled software should go in /usr/local (generally, by default settings) |
| 04:23.27 | enouf | $ echo $PATH |
| 04:23.29 | enouf | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
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| 04:26.05 | chant | The package xmms-flac doesn't appear to be in testing - anyone know where I can look to find out why not? It is in stable. |
| 04:26.25 | thasp | enouf: yes |
| 04:26.33 | enouf | !why is xmms-flac not in testing |
| 04:26.34 | dpkg | xmms-flac is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xmms-flac |
| 04:27.53 | abrotman | chant: packages in stable have no bearing on what is in testing |
| 04:27.54 | chant | Hm, while that is inconclusive, I'd guess that its because its source package (flac) decided to remove the plugin. |
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| 04:28.58 | chant | :( changelog confirms - xmms-flac is dead. |
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| 04:29.47 | chant | noooooooooooooo - they're slowly killing xmms! |
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| 04:32.01 | enouf | chant: maybe you don't need it? xmms2 maybe? http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/flac/flac_1.1.2-8/changelog <-- maybe follow those bug reports |
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| 04:32.38 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xmms2-plugin-flac |
| 04:33.26 | chant | xmms2 != xmms |
| 04:33.30 | chant | its all weird and different. |
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| 04:33.36 | chant | uses a server and stuff. |
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| 04:34.17 | chant | I'll migrate eventually to something else I guess. It's too bad - xmms was a great workhorse. |
| 04:36.14 | Wyzard | chant: Try Audacious |
| 04:36.22 | Wyzard | chant: It's basically an updated XMMS |
| 04:36.28 | chant | neat. |
| 04:36.58 | Wyzard | chant: though I use quodlibet for my "music library" |
| 04:37.46 | Nyle | amarok is pretty good too |
| 04:37.49 | enouf | chant: yeah, xmms was a small simple interface and all, but i guess i revert more to cli only when they bloat up the GUIs :-P |
| 04:37.54 | Nyle | though a bit heavier on the system |
| 04:38.10 | Nyle | beep media player is ok enough, lacks a lot |
| 04:38.18 | enouf | sox ftw |
| 04:38.23 | enouf | aplay .. heh |
| 04:38.27 | Nyle | what about that Songbird |
| 04:38.35 | Nyle | firefox based media player |
| 04:38.36 | enouf | cplay, etc |
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| 04:40.24 | chant | weee |
| 04:40.28 | chant | and my speakers come alive again. |
| 04:40.30 | chant | Thanks all. |
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| 04:59.35 | Hyphenex | What sources should I use in Debian? |
| 05:00.28 | abrotman | the ones for your version of debian |
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| 05:01.09 | Hyphenex | Why didn't it do it automatically? |
| 05:01.22 | abrotman | it asked you when you installed |
| 05:01.33 | Hyphenex | it asked me for a country |
| 05:01.43 | Hyphenex | ok, I can't find sources on the wiki |
| 05:01.49 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 05:01.50 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 05:01.55 | abrotman | !tell Hyphenex about mirrors |
| 05:01.58 | abrotman | !tell Hyphenex about sources.list |
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| 05:03.33 | Hyphenex | awesome, how do I add this into apt-get? |
| 05:03.46 | Hyphenex | I'm on sources.list |
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| 05:04.09 | Hyphenex | and I want the Australian (ftp.au.debian.org/debian/) mirror |
| 05:04.51 | DawnLight | Hyphenex: we don't tell you what to type |
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| 05:05.21 | Hyphenex | DawnLight: I'm almost there, I don't know what main and contrib are though |
| 05:05.46 | DawnLight | Hyphenex: read the debian reference |
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| 05:15.53 | freezer | is there dmcrypt support with kernel 2.4.31? |
| 05:16.28 | b0xt | later all. |
| 05:16.35 | DawnLight | laterz |
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| 05:23.02 | eldereko | someone please help, im not able to mount a smbfs share in fstab with permissions for everyone to r/w.... im using fmask=766,dmask=766 and I get "--- --- --- ? ? ? ?" for permissions? |
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| 05:23.35 | eldereko | I've been trying to do this for hours and its driving me crazy... please help! |
| 05:23.51 | heffay | my archive manager cant seem to unrar a file |
| 05:23.57 | heffay | even though i have unrar-free installed |
| 05:23.59 | heffay | =( |
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| 05:26.17 | asssasasasa | hi |
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| 05:27.37 | Kaiten4 | I just ordered a 4gb flash drive, would it be feasable to run an uncompressed debian system? |
| 05:27.45 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: sure |
| 05:27.56 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: people run Debian on far smaller devices. |
| 05:28.15 | Kaiten4 | what about hardware detection between various computers? |
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| 05:28.39 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: that's all handled via udev, so if the kernel supports it, it should just work. |
| 05:28.57 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: the only main thing you'll want to do is disable the persistence of some devices. |
| 05:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kaiten4: xorg.conf won't change, though... |
| 05:29.18 | Kaiten4 | Hm |
| 05:29.26 | dondelelcaro | you should actually be just fine without an xorg.conf |
| 05:29.35 | dondelelcaro | (or the very minimal one that Debian installs now by default) |
| 05:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh? and that'll detect the card automatically? |
| 05:30.04 | Kaiten4 | There is a debian live project, they make images for flash drives, but it is a single compressed image, could I run that system uncompressed? |
| 05:30.04 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. |
| 05:30.10 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: sure |
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| 05:30.37 | freezer | is there dmcrypt support with kernel 2.4.31? |
| 05:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's mostly either nvidia or ati these days - and both will only run properly with a lot of extra setting up |
| 05:31.01 | heffay | so, i guess my question is, how do i get archive manager to work properly? |
| 05:31.09 | Kaiten4 | Also, can the root partition be usable if it were fat32? |
| 05:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kaiten4: permissions, soft-links |
| 05:31.47 | Kaiten4 | My main thing is I'll have the nvidia at home and the onboard intel at school |
| 05:31.58 | Kaiten4 | Ok |
| 05:32.06 | Kaiten4 | I should be fine with the vesa driver |
| 05:32.10 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: that's why they do the compressed, so you can use fat32. |
| 05:32.23 | Kaiten4 | That makes sense |
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| 05:33.06 | ddalton | hey can someone help me out with a kernel question? |
| 05:33.32 | DawnLight | !tell ddalton about ask |
| 05:33.42 | Kaiten4 | but the ramifications of running compressed ill me, it seems potentially difficult to install programs and save file and settings information, or should I not be worried? |
| 05:33.59 | Kaiten4 | Also speed is a concern |
| 05:34.19 | ddalton | right. so what happens if I get a normal 686 kernel. is it different to the one on say fedora? do I need certain patches or kernels for debian? |
| 05:35.25 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: you don't need certain kernels, but using the ones we distribute is a good idea. |
| 05:35.34 | snewp | at some point my apache will respond well, but sometimes it takes to long to respond ... i have to restart teh service for it run again .. i tried disabling teh firewall but still no go .. any idea ? |
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| 05:35.49 | dondelelcaro | (the reasons why you should use them are 1) security 2) you're lazy 3) see #2) |
| 05:36.03 | ddalton | ok anyone heard of speakup? |
| 05:36.09 | dondelelcaro | snewp: you should look at http://localhost/server-status; when that's happening. |
| 05:36.11 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: what about it? |
| 05:36.13 | ddalton | ask dpkg about speakup save me explaining. |
| 05:36.39 | ddalton | well do I need to use a general kernel for that? or will a debian one work? |
| 05:37.00 | snewp | thanks dondelelcaro .. will do that |
| 05:37.03 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: you'll need a kernel with speakup enabled. It's a kernel patch, and we don't currently distribute kernels precompiled with it. |
| 05:37.52 | ddalton | yep so I need the source and I need to patch it right? |
| 05:37.52 | ddalton | so anyone know: |
| 05:37.52 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: yes. |
| 05:37.52 | DawnLight | ddalton: take the debian kernel source and patch it with your thing |
| 05:37.52 | ddalton | 1. What kernel I should use? (got an url or version number?) |
| 05:37.54 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: or you can download one of the kernel .debs that someone else has built; there are a couple of them around. |
| 05:38.02 | ddalton | 2. where I get the correct speakup patch for that kernel? |
| 05:38.21 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: depends on the speakup patch that you're using. unfortunatly, speakup isn't being terribly actively developed, so the versions that people have gotten to build are rather limited. |
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| 05:38.34 | ddalton | im using one now but its out of date and I want to try and compile my own kernel. |
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| 05:39.19 | ddalton | is 2.6.23 out of date? by a long time? |
| 05:39.39 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: no, it's only one revision out of date. |
| 05:40.00 | ddalton | oh so will it be ok if I use that? how much has change in 23 and 24? |
| 05:40.14 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: quite a bit has changed, but if your hardware works for .23, you can just use .23 |
| 05:42.01 | ddalton | ok and the author of speakup says "from git" what is git? |
| 05:42.26 | ddalton | 2.6.24.x from git repository. |
| 05:42.29 | ddalton | he says |
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| 05:43.37 | ddalton | doesn't make sense? |
| 05:43.58 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: then he means to get the newest version of the kernel from linus's (or someone else's) git branch. |
| 05:44.01 | dondelelcaro | !git |
| 05:44.02 | dpkg | well, git is version control system that was started by Linus Torvalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 05:44.37 | snewp | dondelelcaro: http://localhost/server-status .. file not found |
| 05:45.12 | ddalton | ok and do you know where I might find the latest speakup patch? |
| 05:45.23 | ddalton | or am I better off with .23 with the fedora patch? |
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| 05:46.30 | dondelelcaro | snewp: you need to enable mod_status, and then that will work. |
| 05:46.40 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: the speakup developer you were talking to should know. |
| 05:46.43 | snewp | thanks |
| 05:47.07 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: if I were to guess, I'd check their CVS repository, but they may be keeping it in git somewhere on kernel.org now |
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| 05:48.39 | Hyphenex | garrgh, I can't ssh into my debian box. I've tried 'apt-get install sshd' but it said it couldn't find the package |
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| 05:48.46 | Facedown | how can i delete a directory including everything inside? |
| 05:48.57 | snewp | dondelelcaro: it says mod_status does not exist |
| 05:49.01 | Hyphenex | Facedown: rm -R |
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| 05:49.13 | Facedown | rm -R directoryName ? |
| 05:49.16 | Hyphenex | Facedown: man rm |
| 05:49.21 | Hyphenex | Facedown: yep, should work |
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| 05:49.31 | snewp | but there's there's status no mod_status |
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| 05:49.55 | ddalton | ok ill just use .23 for the minute. where can I get this kernel from? I have the speakup patch and I am on debian lenny on i386 machine. |
| 05:50.02 | hoodlum_ | http://www.pastebin.us/?show=db5fa163 - reference to mdadm, on init mdadm cannot detect /dev/md0 thus i have to perform mdrun to complete the device |
| 05:50.06 | dondelelcaro | snewp: the module is called mod_status, but you just a2enmod status; |
| 05:50.10 | hoodlum_ | and when i check mdadm.conf there is nothing in the config |
| 05:50.12 | lispy | I tried to reinstall a package, that failed, so then I changed my apt sources to a CD because I have no network. But, apt won't let me install any new packages because it keeps complaining about that one package. How do I tell apt to give up on that package? |
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| 05:50.26 | hoodlum_ | any ideas on how i can retrieve config or this device |
| 05:51.21 | lispy | E: The package linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 05:51.39 | dondelelcaro | hoodlum_: use mdadm -E /dev/hda1; or similar. |
| 05:51.40 | lispy | How can I tell apt to stop caring about that package? |
| 05:51.49 | hoodlum_ | dondelelcaro mmmk |
| 05:51.50 | ddalton | why isn't .23 in lenny? |
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| 05:52.09 | dondelelcaro | lispy: just reinstall it; you can find it in snapshots.debian.net or similar. You may also have it in your apt cache. |
| 05:52.16 | dondelelcaro | hoodlum_: man mdadm; for details. |
| 05:52.21 | hoodlum_ | doing so now ^_^ |
| 05:52.27 | hoodlum_ | cause i was just gonna do a recreate |
| 05:52.29 | hoodlum_ | or create even |
| 05:52.33 | lispy | dondelelcaro: thanks no network access tho :( |
| 05:52.45 | lispy | dondelelcaro: plus it fails to install hen I try |
| 05:52.48 | snewp | dondelelcaro: mod_status enabled .. but it takes time to reply with http://localhost/server-status |
| 05:53.06 | lispy | (when I tried before that is) |
| 05:53.10 | dondelelcaro | snewp: that's fine, now look at what you see there. That'll tell you *why* it's slow. |
| 05:53.22 | dondelelcaro | lispy: if it fails to install when you try, then you need to tell us why it's failing so we can help you fix it. |
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| 05:53.36 | lispy | dondelelcaro: I no longer can try to install it |
| 05:53.48 | lispy | dondelelcaro: is there a way to make apt forget about it? |
| 05:53.52 | dondelelcaro | lispy: no. |
| 05:53.59 | lispy | that's what I really need to do. I need apt to move on with its life. |
| 05:54.03 | dondelelcaro | at least, not a way that I'm going to be responsible for explaining to you how to do it. |
| 05:54.16 | wlnet | why can't debian release be more frequent, what is holding it back? |
| 05:54.39 | snewp | dondelelcaro: this is what i get The requested URL /server-status was not found on this server. .. do i need to reload apache after enabling teh module ? |
| 05:54.46 | dondelelcaro | snewp: yes. |
| 05:55.00 | ddalton | anyone know where I get the kernel from? sorry if I missed the reply. |
| 05:55.04 | jhambo | hey folks I'm trying to install wordpress on etch. I'm following the guide at http://www.debianadmin.com/install-wordpress-in-debian-etch.html. When I try to go to my wordpress site (127.0.1.1/blog) with firefox, I get a "you have chosen to open a PHTML file... Open with or Save to Disk". What's going on?? |
| 05:55.05 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: there's nothing holding it back, besides the normal release cycle issues. We don't release more frequently, because those people who use Debian in production generally don't want faster releases. |
| 05:55.13 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: www.kernel.org |
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| 05:55.44 | user_ | has anyone here managed o get the eciadsl drivers |
| 05:55.52 | dondelelcaro | !php wants me to download still |
| 05:55.52 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
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| 05:56.11 | ddalton | you don't have a link to like 2.6.23 kernels or anything? |
| 05:56.26 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 05:57.12 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, how is that conclusion concerning people who use Debian in production? I notice Ubuntu is now top of the list in distrowatch while Debian is slipping down. |
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| 05:57.41 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: people who really use Debian in production can't do upgrades more often than every two years. |
| 05:58.30 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: and market share has never been particularly important to us either. We're more interested in technical excellence than popularity. |
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| 05:58.51 | hatter | at www.debian.org and other linux tutorials, what is used for the layout of this type of help file ? |
| 05:58.56 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, where to find info about people who use Debian in production, collective info such as the total number and the industries they cover. |
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| 05:59.05 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: there's no such thing |
| 05:59.06 | Hyphenex | apt-cache install webmin does not come up with anything. I can't install webmin with apt-get?? |
| 05:59.12 | Hyphenex | search webmin* |
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| 05:59.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell Hyphenex -about webmin |
| 05:59.22 | hatter | Hyphenex, /msg dpkg webmin |
| 05:59.26 | TwistedGenius | Hyphenex,apt-get install |
| 05:59.30 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: we only loosly track who is using Debian, and only know what people tell us about it. |
| 05:59.54 | Facedown | last question, i created a symlink for my 'html' folder residing in /var/www to /home/facedown/sitename.. but i want to update that symlink.. how can i do that |
| 06:00.03 | Facedown | do i have to rm html and then ln -s foo bar ? |
| 06:00.10 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: http://www.debian.org/users/ et al. |
| 06:00.13 | hoodlum_ | dondelelcaro so mdadm -E /dev/sda1 just gives info on the device that is a part of the raid conf |
| 06:00.19 | snewp | dondelelcaro: i noticed that when i restart apache www-data shows defunct .. once www-data will start apache .. it run but just for a matter of time .. i have to restart apache again |
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| 06:00.30 | Hyphenex | It's only for a local server, no cares for security, but I'd still like to use webmin :) |
| 06:00.35 | `ns` | debian is on my server, ubuntu is on my laptop .... different distros for different purposes |
| 06:00.40 | dondelelcaro | hoodlum_: that tells you about the superblock, which is what the kernel actually uses to assemble things. |
| 06:00.48 | hoodlum_ | yeah |
| 06:00.52 | hatter | Facedown, yes remove the old one |
| 06:01.01 | hoodlum_ | hrmm /dev/md0 has no superblock specified |
| 06:01.04 | dondelelcaro | snewp: yes, when it starts to fail, look at what server-status says. Odds area you've got children who aren't exiting properly. |
| 06:01.08 | Facedown | ln -s ONE TWO .. which is the real directory and which is the fake? |
| 06:01.12 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, would you not agree that we are talking about a technical product and popularity is based on technical excellence, in every sense of the word? |
| 06:01.14 | dondelelcaro | hoodlum_: uh... not /dev/md0. A device which is part of md0 |
| 06:01.18 | hatter | Facedown ONE is the real |
| 06:01.20 | Facedown | got it |
| 06:01.22 | Facedown | thanks |
| 06:01.27 | hatter | np |
| 06:01.28 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: if that was the case, windows wouldn't be popular. |
| 06:01.36 | hoodlum_ | dondelelcarohrmm |
| 06:01.46 | webPrag\Laptop | can anyone tell me why the last site I enable with "a2ensite" gets defaulted to all of my virtual hosts? |
| 06:01.50 | webPrag\Laptop | with apache |
| 06:02.01 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: it's actually done alphabetically. |
| 06:02.13 | hatter | webPrag\Laptop, virtual hosts are not on ? |
| 06:02.32 | webPrag\Laptop | hatter: I see Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 06:02.40 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: and that's because unless you specify an IP, one site is the site that gets visited when no other sites are listed. |
| 06:02.48 | hoodlum_ | dondelelcaro so what do you suggest i do now i have the superblock info? just rebuild the config? |
| 06:02.56 | user_ | has anyone here managed o get the eciadsl drivers working? |
| 06:03.17 | dondelelcaro | hoodlum_: using that information, you can rebuild the configuration. Though, you really shouldn't have to, as it should be assmebled on boot. |
| 06:03.27 | ddalton | will a 2.6.23 patch work with 2.6.23.1? |
| 06:03.33 | snewp | dondelelcaro: still file not found with /server-status |
| 06:03.33 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, why do you say that? new versions of windows keep coming out. 2000, nt, me, xp,.. |
| 06:03.34 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: possibly. |
| 06:03.38 | hoodlum_ | well yeah, it should but for some reason mdadm.conf has dissapeared |
| 06:03.42 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: I understand how "default" sites work.... but the site is listed as a <VirtualHost> |
| 06:03.54 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: reconsider what you said and my response to it. |
| 06:03.57 | hoodlum_ | thanks dondelelcaro :) |
| 06:03.58 | webPrag\Laptop | hatter: is there something else I should check? |
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| 06:04.04 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: that doesn't matter. |
| 06:04.13 | hatter | webPrag\Laptop, check that you have NameVirtualHost * somehwere |
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| 06:04.28 | hatter | I have it in /etc/apache2/conf.d/virtual.conf |
| 06:04.37 | webPrag\Laptop | OH yea that's what I had to do last time |
| 06:04.40 | webPrag\Laptop | I had to add that conf |
| 06:04.41 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: the first site that apache parses is the default site for a VirtualHost if no other site is specified. That's why 00_default is the name of the default site by default. |
| 06:04.47 | inst1 | are there old versions of debian available on the mirrors? (i've tried ~ 5 and i only see 4.0_r2) and/or would the current dist work well on a 400mhz p2 laptop |
| 06:04.48 | webPrag\Laptop | to the main apache2.conf |
| 06:05.06 | dondelelcaro | inst1: sarge is still there, and the ancient ones are on archive.debian.org |
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| 06:05.52 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: ... like I said I know how the default virtual hosts work... |
| 06:05.59 | aarm | Can anyone tell me what silc does on a debian system? |
| 06:06.08 | Killab33z | apt-get squirrelmail? |
| 06:06.14 | inst1 | dondelelcaro: hmm, so i guess i have to build it myself from the packages? :) |
| 06:06.18 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: uh... if you did, you wouldn't be asking here, because NameVirtualHost *; is in the default site. |
| 06:06.22 | Killab33z | apt-get squirrelmail? is that what i use to download this pacakge? |
| 06:06.32 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, i will find out more from the top people if they wouldn't mind their product losing popularity before i make a switch. |
| 06:06.53 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: well, you're actually talking to a "top person" now, so... |
| 06:06.58 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: well yes I would because I didn't read the default site last time I configured this and just put NameVirtualHost * in like httpd.conf or something |
| 06:07.11 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, how 'top' are u? |
| 06:07.25 | aarm | any takers? |
| 06:07.25 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: Debian is flat. I'm a Developer. There's no one more exaulted. |
| 06:07.43 | dondelelcaro | aarm: apt-cache show silc; |
| 06:07.50 | wlnet | dondelelcaro, no, there is a hierarchy. |
| 06:07.57 | dondelelcaro | wlnet: uh... no, there isn't. |
| 06:08.01 | hatter | hail, dondelelcaro :) |
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| 06:08.14 | wlnet | thks, bye. |
| 06:08.33 | webPrag\Laptop | hatter: tanks |
| 06:08.34 | aarm | dondelelcaro : funny that doesn't say anything possible something else is running on port 706? |
| 06:08.35 | webPrag\Laptop | thanks* |
| 06:08.41 | hatter | np |
| 06:08.46 | dondelelcaro | aarm: sure, netstat -plunt; as root for details. |
| 06:08.49 | Hyphenex | how do I install a .deb file? |
| 06:08.52 | `ns` | heheheh gotta luv people who feel the need for hierarchy, gotta be able to kiss up and kick down :) |
| 06:08.53 | hatter | and... dondelelcaro is tops :) |
| 06:08.55 | inst1 | dondelelcaro: think sarge might run on that laptop? |
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| 06:09.06 | inst1 | Hyphenex: dpkg -i <debfile> |
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| 06:09.18 | webPrag\Laptop | hatter: is httpd.conf used for anything specific? |
| 06:09.37 | dondelelcaro | inst1: how much memory does it have? if it's got more than 32M, you can run etch on it no problem. |
| 06:09.46 | aarm | hmm ok this is wierd....nmap shows port 706 open but a netstat shows nothing running on that port |
| 06:09.49 | hatter | it's there for a reason, but i haven't used it |
| 06:10.00 | webPrag\Laptop | oh it's user specific confs |
| 06:10.07 | webPrag\Laptop | so i should probably put that name server thing in there |
| 06:10.15 | inst1 | dondelelcaro: i was moreso thinking hardware incompatibilities |
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| 06:10.17 | inst1 | it's got 128M |
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| 06:10.32 | dondelelcaro | inst1: oh, no. old hardware (for the most part) works just fine on the newest versions of Debian. |
| 06:10.37 | webPrag\Laptop | actually i'll just kill it and save reading another file |
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| 06:11.13 | aarm | dondelelcaro: nvm thanks for the pointer...perl is running there odd |
| 06:11.18 | dondelelcaro | generally you just stick NameServerHost *; in the file that you load as the default in 00_default. [That's what the default is, anyway.] |
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| 06:11.41 | dondelelcaro | s/server/virtual/ |
| 06:12.10 | aarm | thanks for the help |
| 06:12.25 | hatter | dondelelcaro, I wasnt aware of that, I have had it wrong a few times by having the NameVirtualHost somewhere wrong |
| 06:12.26 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: well the only problem I see there is that what if by chance you wanted to change the default |
| 06:12.49 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: you just edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 06:13.17 | hatter | dondelelcaro, does it matter if you change the name of the default file ? |
| 06:13.32 | dondelelcaro | hatter: so long as the symlink is first, no. |
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| 06:13.50 | hatter | dondelelcaro, but 'default' has to be there ? |
| 06:13.53 | dondelelcaro | hatter: no |
| 06:13.55 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: well that's considering you name your site default site lol |
| 06:14.40 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: doesn't really matter what you name it, actually... |
| 06:14.58 | dondelelcaro | if it's really something that you're going to be doing, you can just drop in a config snippit in conf.d or similar. |
| 06:14.59 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: I thought you had to do 00_blah |
| 06:15.07 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: it just has to be first. |
| 06:15.19 | dondelelcaro | the default is 00_default, but you can do your own insane thing if you want. |
| 06:15.48 | Hyphenex | damn it, why is it so hard to install webmin? |
| 06:16.02 | hatter | dondelelcaro, is it Debian policy for a developer to be on irc ? |
| 06:16.14 | dondelelcaro | hatter: no |
| 06:16.22 | hatter | there is always someone knowledgaeble on this channel |
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| 06:16.44 | dondelelcaro | there are about 4 or 5 developers who help out here, but it really depends what's going on. |
| 06:17.09 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: well it has to be alphabetically correct |
| 06:17.10 | webPrag\Laptop | er |
| 06:17.13 | webPrag\Laptop | in order |
| 06:17.14 | hatter | are there improvments on the dev cycle happening ? |
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| 06:17.28 | dondelelcaro | (and there are loads of people who aren't developers who are just as knowledgeable and helpfull) |
| 06:17.36 | hatter | yes |
| 06:17.45 | dondelelcaro | hatter: all the time, actually. |
| 06:17.53 | hatter | that's good |
| 06:18.00 | hatter | Debian is great |
| 06:18.28 | dondelelcaro | most of them probably won't cause the release to happen faster, but when it does happen, it'll be even higher quality. |
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| 06:20.52 | hatter | Do you think development will be less necessary in a few years because most things have been done already ? |
| 06:21.31 | dondelelcaro | hatter: nope |
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| 06:21.46 | dondelelcaro | hatter: it'll never be optimal |
| 06:21.56 | godling | development of what? |
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| 06:22.16 | mbostwick | hello |
| 06:22.19 | hatter | I think that there only so many things... and it will peak out soon |
| 06:22.32 | godling | hatter: Development of what? |
| 06:22.44 | hatter | of a distro like Debian |
| 06:22.46 | godling | mbostwick: Good evening. |
| 06:22.52 | mbostwick | I am new to debian and am not able to ./configure files |
| 06:22.53 | hatter | which is vast now |
| 06:23.25 | dondelelcaro | mbostwick: you probably need build-essential, and possibly other things. |
| 06:23.55 | mbostwick | when I do i am given an error saying error c compiler cannot create executable |
| 06:24.09 | mbostwick | i have apt-get gcc |
| 06:24.09 | mbostwick | and the files needed there |
| 06:24.23 | mbostwick | do I need to do further config in the gcc config files |
| 06:24.34 | godling | hatter: It may slow to a crawl if we enter a technological ice age wherein no new technologies are created. |
| 06:24.36 | mbostwick | the system is up and running just need to compile somethings from source |
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| 06:25.52 | mbostwick | does anyone one know what needs to be done so I will be able to create executable |
| 06:25.53 | dondelelcaro | !b-e mbostwick |
| 06:25.54 | dpkg | mbostwick: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 06:26.33 | mbostwick | do I need to download the entire cd or is there a way to use apt-get |
| 06:26.39 | dondelelcaro | mbostwick: just run that command. |
| 06:26.55 | dondelelcaro | mbostwick: though what exactly are you trying to build? |
| 06:27.09 | mbostwick | yakuake and htop |
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| 06:27.45 | dondelelcaro | mbostwick: just aptitude install yakuake htop; |
| 06:27.52 | dondelelcaro | mbostwick: they're already built for you. |
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| 06:28.31 | godling | I've had it with this touchpad. |
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| 06:28.55 | ddalton | ok I patched the kernel. now how to I compile/install it? |
| 06:29.02 | ddalton | do |
| 06:29.10 | mbostwick | thank you |
| 06:29.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell ddalton -about kp mantra |
| 06:29.54 | hatter | wow |
| 06:29.59 | hatter | kp mantra is cool :) |
| 06:30.20 | ddalton | and in english how do I do this? |
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| 06:30.40 | mbostwick | aptitude is not finding htop |
| 06:30.43 | hatter | how many entries are in dpkg ? |
| 06:30.44 | mbostwick | or yakuake |
| 06:30.58 | dondelelcaro | mbostwick: what does apt-cache policy; output? |
| 06:31.10 | sChaaa | hola |
| 06:31.26 | hatter | mbostwick, maybe you just have the cd entries in sources.list |
| 06:31.34 | ddalton | so can someone tell me commands I should run from with in my source root? |
| 06:32.06 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: sorry what i was getting at was that if I wanted my default site to be foo i would have to name it 00_foo (if there is a bar) ... and then if I wanted zor to be my default I wouldn't have to take NameVirtualHost * out of 00_foo and put it in zor and then name it 00_zor |
| 06:32.07 | mbostwick | there are 3 entries listed in package files |
| 06:32.11 | webPrag\Laptop | if that make ANY sense lol |
| 06:32.14 | webPrag\Laptop | makes* |
| 06:32.50 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: if you're going to do that, you can just echo 'NameVirtualHost *' > /etc/apache2/conf.d/name_virtual_host; and then go crazy with the rest of the sizes. |
| 06:33.22 | hatter | mbostwick, deb: http://something.debian.org/ etch main ? |
| 06:33.38 | hatter | or 'deb cdrom...' |
| 06:33.42 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: I think that is what I am accomplishing by putting it in apache2.conf |
| 06:33.53 | mbostwick | hatter, I dont understand what you are asking ?, I see deb cdrom |
| 06:34.09 | hatter | mbostwick, you need to add repositories |
| 06:34.17 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: the reason why I suggested not putting it there is because you'll have to deal with upgrades to the system apache2.conf manually. |
| 06:34.23 | mbostwick | oh how do I do that? |
| 06:34.36 | maelstrom | i am unable to open an external hard drive in konqueror ... i get a strange mount error ... but my windows laptop can pull it up fine |
| 06:34.36 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: oh ok so putting it in httpd.conf is more suitable? |
| 06:34.38 | maelstrom | what is going on ? |
| 06:34.39 | mbostwick | (i am new to debian, I normally run fedora and slacks) |
| 06:34.47 | webPrag\Laptop | or another suitable include |
| 06:34.47 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: I'd stick it in conf.d, personally. |
| 06:34.50 | godling | slacks? |
| 06:34.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell mbostwick -about sources.list |
| 06:34.56 | godling | As in Slackware? |
| 06:35.07 | dondelelcaro | ddalton: dpkg (the bot) gave you the commands. |
| 06:35.18 | mbostwick | yep |
| 06:35.24 | webPrag\Laptop | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 06:35.42 | mbostwick | thanks |
| 06:36.02 | mbostwick | my slackware machine is in the shop as the video card went out :) |
| 06:36.04 | dondelelcaro | webPrag\Laptop: np |
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| 06:36.07 | DawnLight | what's the command to clear the screen? |
| 06:36.17 | godling | dondelelcaro: Have you heard of many issues with laptop touchpads? |
| 06:36.25 | dondelelcaro | godling: not with the synaptics ones |
| 06:36.33 | dondelelcaro | (and that's really the only ones that I know much about) |
| 06:36.37 | DawnLight | my screen's real dirty |
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| 06:38.20 | mbostwick | thanks everyone and bye |
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| 06:38.37 | hatter | maelstrom, it's ntfs ? |
| 06:39.11 | piecesandbits | Just out of idle curiosity, what will the new name for testing be? |
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| 06:39.23 | DragoraN | hi |
| 06:39.58 | godling | dondelelcaro: I've been halfway around the internets, rifling through bug reports and trying to decipher German in order to find out why this thing is giving me trouble. |
| 06:40.24 | hatter | godling, cheaper to buy a mouse |
| 06:40.49 | godling | hatter: I still wouldn't be able to disable the touchpad. |
| 06:40.57 | Facedown | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.01 | Facedown | LOL |
| 06:41.41 | dondelelcaro | godling: is this the G3 one? |
| 06:42.12 | dondelelcaro | (or was that someone else asking about a G3 touchpad?) |
| 06:42.21 | hatter | godling, dondelelcaro, can the touchpad be disabled with udev ? |
| 06:42.30 | godling | It must have been someone else, dondelelcaro. |
| 06:42.34 | Wyzard | Facedown: It's not really a holiday, it's just the day after Thanksgiving when many people begin doing their Christmas shopping, and stores hold big discount sales to encourage people to come and buy stuff |
| 06:42.35 | dondelelcaro | hatter: depends on the touchpad |
| 06:42.47 | hatter | ah |
| 06:43.00 | dondelelcaro | godling: what type of touchpad do you have? |
| 06:43.13 | Facedown | Wyzard: notice the 'LOL' ? |
| 06:43.41 | maelstrom | hatter, it is FAT32 |
| 06:43.48 | maelstrom | and i have loaded it countless times previously with no hitches |
| 06:43.56 | godling | Facedown: It wasn't funny. |
| 06:44.15 | hatter | maelstrom, have you tried from the command line ? |
| 06:44.34 | Facedown | oh yeah. no comedy in #debian. forgot. |
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| 06:44.40 | maelstrom | no |
| 06:45.18 | godling | dondelelcaro: Popular opinion seems to go with Alps (those are popular in Dells, I hear), but it only shows up in the lsusb output as a ps/2 device. |
| 06:45.27 | godling | Facedown: Comedy is funny. |
| 06:45.28 | hatter | maelstrom, you'll get more of a clue from the cli |
| 06:45.45 | dondelelcaro | godling: huh. I have an alps burried somewhere, but it's ADB, so no help to you. |
| 06:46.01 | snewp | dondelelcaro: i got server-status up .. what would i look in it ? |
| 06:46.01 | hatter | godling, have tried from a distro with newer drivers ? |
| 06:46.15 | dondelelcaro | snewp: when things start going slow, see what all of the children are doing. |
| 06:46.37 | dondelelcaro | snewp: most likely you've got some script or something that is tying up apache children. |
| 06:46.40 | godling | hatter: I'm running sid amd64 |
| 06:46.42 | maelstrom | here is the error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 06:47.07 | hatter | godling, have you tried knoppix or kanotix ? |
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| 06:47.16 | hatter | live-cd ? |
| 06:47.56 | godling | Oh. No, I had thought about doing just that (just to see if the touchpad worked in Linux). |
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| 06:48.34 | hatter | maelstrom, which means its probably not fat32 or its faulty |
| 06:48.44 | hatter | try mount -t vfat /dev/... |
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| 06:49.31 | hatter | dondelelcaro, do you know if the ntfs drivers are installed by default in etch ? |
| 06:49.48 | maelstrom | it is fat32. i specifically made sure it was |
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| 06:50.02 | dondelelcaro | hatter: depends on what you select, I think. |
| 06:50.05 | maelstrom | and i've been using this same drive for months, including earlier today on this very machine and debian install |
| 06:50.10 | hatter | maelstrom, can you fdisk /dev/... and see the partition ? |
| 06:51.17 | maelstrom | yes it says: The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 10010. | There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, |
| 06:51.40 | hatter | then 'p' to see the partition |
| 06:52.20 | Wyzard | maelstrom: That's only an issue with old BIOSes |
| 06:52.35 | Wyzard | maelstrom: Modern systems should have no problems with things past cylinder 1024 |
| 06:53.11 | maelstrom | okay. yeah it appears to be there |
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| 06:54.28 | maelstrom | Disk /dev/sda1: 82.3 GB, 82343245824 bytes | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 10010 cylinders | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes | Disk identifier: 0x00000000 |
| 06:57.41 | hatter | and 'p' shows you the fat32 partition |
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| 06:59.01 | hatter | I have just discovered cygwin and X forwarding, how cool is that :) |
| 06:59.10 | maelstrom | that is all that 'p' shows me |
| 06:59.26 | hatter | maelstrom, then it hangs there ? |
| 06:59.40 | maelstrom | it just doesn't say anything else |
| 07:00.05 | maelstrom | i still can input other letters |
| 07:00.35 | hatter | maelstrom, you are checking /dev/sdc ? not sdc1 ? |
| 07:00.43 | maelstrom | sda1 |
| 07:00.53 | hatter | you can't fdisk the partition |
| 07:00.58 | hatter | use fdisk /dev/sda |
| 07:01.11 | maelstrom | oh. duh |
| 07:01.45 | maelstrom | it says NTFS. but Windows XP thinks it is a FAT32 drive. and i am nearly certain I made it FAT32 |
| 07:02.05 | hatter | not certain enough :) |
| 07:02.25 | hatter | so you probably need to install the ntfs drivers |
| 07:03.01 | hatter | then mount -t ntfs |
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| 07:03.50 | maelstrom | why would i need to do that if i was using this same drive on this same system just a few hrs ago ? |
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| 07:05.14 | hatter | maelstrom, maybe you inadvertently changed the drive from fat32 to ntfs in between coffee breaks |
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| 07:05.38 | hatter | or ms did it in the background is a windows update ploy to make you suffer |
| 07:05.55 | maelstrom | so are the ntfs drivers in apt ? |
| 07:06.04 | hatter | you'll have to check |
| 07:06.16 | hatter | i haven't used ntfs for a whil |
| 07:06.31 | hatter | the world should boycott it |
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| 07:06.53 | hatter | and ms should use something os independant |
| 07:07.14 | hatter | maybe the next thing for the EU :) |
| 07:08.28 | maelstrom | oh i think i might have inadvertently uninstalled ntfs drivers earlier |
| 07:08.31 | hatter | how do I check what the package vncserver is using as its 'vncserver' ? |
| 07:08.36 | hatter | maelstrom, or that |
| 07:08.54 | hatter | I like the conspiracy theory better |
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| 07:42.13 | enouf | what? |
| 07:42.21 | jmut | hi. anyone know which package I need for basic fonts? I don't have Arial, Times New Roman, etc... |
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| 07:43.01 | enouf | apt-cache search xfonts? |
| 07:43.22 | enouf | <hatter> how do I check what the package vncserver is using as its 'vncserver' ? <-- what? |
| 07:43.41 | enouf | maelstrom: file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 07:44.04 | jmut | enouf: I thought so but seems tons of them :D |
| 07:44.16 | webPrag\Laptop | jmut: xfonts-base ? |
| 07:44.16 | enouf | i know - |
| 07:44.29 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.40 | webPrag\Laptop | msttcorefonts ? |
| 07:44.47 | jmut | webPrag\Laptop: I have it installed |
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| 07:48.30 | webPrag\Laptop | sorry I am just throwing out guesses |
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| 07:49.22 | Haris | How do I check what files a package installs? |
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| 07:51.07 | jmut | with apt-file I find tahoma for example only in some specific packages...like cinelerra-data: picon-usenix: libwine: squirrelmail: |
| 07:51.34 | Haris | nothing of the sort on etchr2 |
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| 07:52.35 | godling | Haris: dpkg -S <package name> |
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| 07:55.02 | Haris | hmm |
| 07:55.12 | Haris | this package doesn't install man pages. It installs html files |
| 07:55.17 | Haris | godling: Thanks! |
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| 07:59.04 | Ryan52 | In debian postgres stores all of its database stuff in /var/lib/postgresql, right? |
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| 08:05.44 | edhel | hello, is there any reason why installing wacom-tools wants to remove xserver-xorg? |
| 08:07.03 | edhel | (and a bunch of other worg packages, and nvidia-glx, ...) |
| 08:07.10 | edhel | s/worg/xorg/ |
| 08:07.51 | Haris | I installed courier- packages |
| 08:08.14 | Haris | yet I don't have their man pages |
| 08:08.31 | Haris | for eg courier-authdaemon |
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| 08:10.19 | Haris | yet I can find some on google -> http://linux.die.net/man/8/authdaemon |
| 08:10.36 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:12.21 | wols_ | Haris: there is no such binary as courier-authdaemon in debian |
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| 08:12.38 | liable | theres a similar one |
| 08:12.44 | wols_ | saslauth? |
| 08:12.48 | wols_ | saslauthd |
| 08:12.55 | simonrvn | Haris: ithink they split out the docs, or go see their site |
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| 08:14.14 | simonrvn | courier-authdaemon |
| 08:14.22 | simonrvn | !info courier-authdaemon |
| 08:14.25 | dpkg | courier-authdaemon: (Courier authentication daemon), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.60.1-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 08:14.33 | simonrvn | !info courier-authdaemon etch |
| 08:14.36 | dpkg | courier-authdaemon: (Courier authentication daemon), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.58-4 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
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| 08:15.08 | simonrvn | Haris: it's the package name |
| 08:15.24 | wols_ | simonrvn: /usr/sbin/authdaemond |
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| 08:16.12 | simonrvn | yeh, figured it'd be somethign like that |
| 08:16.14 | wols_ | simonrvn: but still no manpage forthe binary |
| 08:16.41 | simonrvn | should have a bug filed on it because of that |
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| 08:17.48 | kasra | hi , anyone know about mpic++ ? |
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| 08:18.40 | simonrvn | google does |
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| 08:20.13 | kasra | simonrvn:I get an error , and there was nothing about it ; have you worked with mpi ? |
| 08:20.59 | simonrvn | i very much doubt i have |
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| 08:26.15 | Haris | wols_: That's authdaemond |
| 08:26.25 | Haris | simonrvn: Yes, I am looking at them |
| 08:27.14 | Haris | we need docs with authdaemond so we know what to do with the package. This ( http://linux.die.net/man/8/authdaemon ) tells me what I can do with it |
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| 08:30.21 | XenTix | hello. i was installing debian and i got a strange error that i've never seen before. can someone help me? i pasted the dmesg here: http://refpaste.notlong.com |
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| 08:30.51 | wols_ | XenTix: that a nonsene url for a paste |
| 08:30.54 | wols_ | !paste XenTix |
| 08:30.54 | dpkg | XenTix: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 08:31.46 | wols_ | !ops XenTix is a spammer. some vampire trick site redirect |
| 08:31.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: XenTix is a spammer. some vampire trick site redirect |
| 08:33.15 | simonrvn | i'd call it a phishing site |
| 08:33.34 | wols_ | simonrvn: it'S called "bitefight". what do you think it phishes? |
| 08:33.42 | wols_ | says something bout a popup tho. can't say |
| 08:33.50 | kottlett | hi! general question concerning network boot / pxe (via nfs): does the driver of the network card need to be compiled into the kernel, or can it be loaded as module? |
| 08:34.21 | wols_ | it needs to be in te initrd at least |
| 08:34.37 | kottlett | ah, that could be the problem... thx |
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| 08:35.00 | wols_ | the nfs client setup needs to be in initrd too of course |
| 08:35.56 | kottlett | wols_: I can boot already... but I get a kernel panic because it can't find eth0 |
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| 08:36.43 | roxazer | why do i get "-bash: compl: command not found" when im ssh:ing to my server or starting a screen? |
| 08:36.44 | wols_ | nfs comesd AFTER eth0 is up |
| 08:36.46 | simonrvn | kernel panic caused by not finding an interface? oh, netboot, nm |
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| 08:37.22 | wols_ | roxazer: more info needed |
| 08:37.53 | roxazer | wols_: it isnt more, i type "ssh IP -p port -l login" and then the password for my account, then i says that. i dont do anything |
| 08:37.58 | roxazer | -bash: compl: kommando hittades inte |
| 08:37.59 | roxazer | christoffer@Hertz:~$ |
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| 08:38.20 | roxazer | "kommando hittades inte" means "command not found" |
| 08:38.27 | kottlett | wols_: I'm not sure how far the boot gets... but it already displays e.g. USB devices - but then stops at finding the network device |
| 08:38.50 | wols_ | Akatemik: it loads the kernel that's it |
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| 08:38.53 | roxazer | kottlett: did you also get a kernel panic last night? |
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| 08:39.40 | kottlett | roxazer: yeah... I thought a kernel upgrade may solve it... but didn't |
| 08:40.04 | XenTix | the problem is between the keyboard and the chair |
| 08:40.12 | roxazer | okey, but you got no network ont he machine now? |
| 08:40.17 | roxazer | on the* |
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| 08:41.03 | roxazer | woooo |
| 08:42.02 | stylus | hey man_in_shack |
| 08:42.11 | PriitM | hi, I got trouble configuring wifi card which drivers are used via ndiswrapper. Does wifi card settings come from /etc/networking/interfaces or somewhere else? |
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| 08:42.52 | wols_ | the network related settings are in interaces yes |
| 08:43.56 | PriitM | wols_, my interfaces file contains needed info, but it doesn't seem to take it |
| 08:44.13 | wols_ | more info needed |
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| 08:44.16 | roxazer | wols_: a "friend" told me to loook in .bashrc and .bash_profile if their was something that was not running that shoukld be, do you know? |
| 08:44.54 | DawnLight | i've a question! i've a setup where messages are fetched from an address provided by the ISP using pop3 and put in a maildir for dovecot to serve via imap to several clients in the lan. these clients send mail using smtp via the isp's smarthost. i'd like these messages that they send to get stored in a maildir for dovecot to serve so that there will be an archive of sent messages, also. how can i do that? |
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| 08:45.37 | wols_ | roxazer: what is "compl"? |
| 08:45.50 | XenTix | complain |
| 08:46.10 | wols_ | XenTix: you are a spammer and as soon as an op comes you are anned |
| 08:46.19 | wols_ | *banned. so fuck off now |
| 08:46.29 | XenTix | who cares? |
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| 08:46.52 | simonrvn | XenTix: your problem is certainly |
| 08:47.06 | XenTix | i have dynamic ip |
| 08:47.25 | wols_ | XenTix: fiy ban evasion brings k-lines |
| 08:47.40 | XenTix | they won't know who i am either... |
| 08:48.26 | roxazer | wols_: o dont know, the command dowsnt exist |
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| 08:48.37 | simonrvn | XenTix: you can run, but you can't hide |
| 08:48.46 | XenTix | of course we can :) |
| 08:48.57 | wols_ | roxazer: somewhere the command gets called |
| 08:49.06 | XenTix | and i do not run. every step of mine is coldly calculated. |
| 08:49.09 | roxazer | the computer tryes to start compl but it can't, and now i dont know how to turn that off |
| 08:49.11 | wols_ | btw: haveing a username "Login" is kinda... stupid? |
| 08:49.11 | XenTix | are |
| 08:49.19 | roxazer | wols_: exactly |
| 08:49.31 | wols_ | then why do you have such a username? |
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| 08:49.50 | XenTix | stupid and confusing :D |
| 08:50.45 | XenTix | so, wols_, talk about your interestingly awkard gay experiences. |
| 08:50.52 | simonrvn | mistake #1: bragging which leads to #2 getting caught. which then leads to the conclusion that you're a moron |
| 08:51.05 | roxazer | wols_: do ypu knwo if it is something in .bashrc or .bash_profiles ? |
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| 08:51.18 | XenTix | simonrvn that doesn't mean your mom doesn't likes morons |
| 08:51.18 | wols_ | roxazer: it could be anywhere |
| 08:51.38 | simonrvn | XenTix: she never met you |
| 08:51.44 | roxazer | wols_: ok.. |
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| 08:52.10 | XenTix | simonrvn that's what your daddy thinks |
| 08:52.45 | simonrvn | XenTix: you're a very lame troll, that doesn't even make sense |
| 08:52.52 | robboplus | evening/morning everyone |
| 08:52.58 | robboplus | oh hi simon lol |
| 08:53.00 | simonrvn | robboplus: hi |
| 08:53.00 | hatter | how many factoids does dpkg have ? |
| 08:53.07 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 08:53.14 | XenTix | is it supposed to make sense? did you look at the hole where you came from? that is SENSELESS! |
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| 08:53.27 | wols_ | hatter: two less than the amount needed to become sentient |
| 08:53.43 | hatter | wols_, yup , those last two are a doozy |
| 08:53.50 | robboplus | hm am i this retarded yet or installing aclocal-1.4 isn't so easy as i thought? i can't find the damned package that contains it |
| 08:53.58 | simonrvn | XenTix: just means you're not even trying. sad, really |
| 08:54.12 | simonrvn | wols_: hehehe |
| 08:54.17 | XenTix | i wouldn't try to go there. i don't wanna be sucked into a blackhole |
| 08:54.31 | wols_ | !tell roxazer about search |
| 08:54.55 | XenTix | simonrvn your mom was responsible for the black mesa incident |
| 08:55.00 | Tapout | what's the method to see what version of software apt-get install will .. actually install... i forgot |
| 08:55.01 | robboplus | simonrvn the thing i learned from jengelh last night is incredible... like a whole new world to me! |
| 08:55.03 | wols_ | simonrvn: pretty pleae ignore him. he thrives on feeding |
| 08:55.13 | simonrvn | robboplus: indeed |
| 08:55.21 | robboplus | !tell robboplus about search |
| 08:55.34 | simonrvn | wols_: i'm just playing with him. i was about to :) |
| 08:55.36 | wols_ | !tell roxazer about selftell |
| 08:55.42 | wols_ | d#oh |
| 08:56.13 | XenTix | simonrvn always doing everything he is told... |
| 08:56.26 | robboplus | a troll? please don't kill it, the last time there was a serious troll here was like hm 2 months ago? it's rare and delicious :) |
| 08:56.49 | simonrvn | yeh, which is why i was playing, but it quickly gets boring |
| 08:56.57 | robboplus | oh it does. |
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| 08:57.20 | XenTix | simonrvn i'm getting bored because your brain is not sufficiently large to understand mom jokes |
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| 08:59.09 | robboplus | wols: fixed! thank you |
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| 08:59.23 | PriitM_ | XenTix, for your mom jokes, please join some runescape channel |
| 08:59.31 | robboplus | rofl |
| 09:00.02 | XenTix | i'm gonna get some sleep |
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| 09:00.11 | robboplus | your mom so fat that she can't fit in #runescape ;) |
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| 09:00.19 | XenTix | :| |
| 09:00.58 | XenTix | OPERATORS, robboplus is making mom jokes |
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| 09:15.55 | Haris | Hello people |
| 09:16.17 | Haris | Do we have a package with which we can monitor if a remote server is up/down? |
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| 09:18.09 | wols_ | Haris: anything that does snmp |
| 09:18.22 | wols_ | and various other network monitor packages |
| 09:18.59 | jelly | Haris: nagios? mon? apt-cache search monitoring? |
| 09:19.57 | niru | I have a nokia mobile |
| 09:20.10 | niru | I have connected it to the system using a usb cable |
| 09:20.14 | niru | it is not detected |
| 09:20.17 | niru | how to make it detect |
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| 09:21.32 | Haris | !package watchdog |
| 09:21.35 | Haris | hmm |
| 09:21.40 | Haris | !watchdog |
| 09:21.46 | Haris | hmm |
| 09:21.46 | Kiirani | Hi there, I'm a gentoo user considering putting debian on a new laptop (arriving soon).. Are there any compelling reasons for me to use stable rather than testing? I'm used to sorting out minor.. issues... |
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| 09:22.26 | wols_ | Kiirani: if the lappy is new hardware wise you will most probably need newer kernel than is in etch to even install |
| 09:22.29 | Haris | !info watchdog |
| 09:22.32 | wols_ | !tell Kiirani about kmuto |
| 09:22.34 | dpkg | watchdog: (A software watchdog), section admin, is extra. Version: 5.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 09:22.36 | Haris | hmm |
| 09:22.38 | wols_ | !tell Haris about selftell |
| 09:22.46 | Haris | is this a relevant pakage? |
| 09:22.48 | Haris | package+ |
| 09:22.49 | Kiirani | Oh, I was intending to handle the kernels myself. |
| 09:23.03 | Kiirani | Configure, compile, etc. |
| 09:23.10 | wols_ | sure but for installing at least you will need a dbeian installer kernel. and etch one probably won't work |
| 09:23.27 | wols_ | also, if yu compile your own kernel, we STRONGLY suggest to use kernel-package |
| 09:23.38 | Kiirani | Ah.. This page here.. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en won't allow me to use my own? |
| 09:23.49 | pocketsnooker | or to compile and link by hand which is also fun |
| 09:23.54 | Kiirani | That's my planned installation method, purely out of habit. |
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| 09:24.10 | General_Tso | Hello. I have saved a iptables ruleset, and now I am seeing what I would guess is iptables logging traffic as my machine starts up and shuts down. Does anyone know what could cause this? |
| 09:24.15 | Kiirani | wols_ - I'm having a look at that page now |
| 09:24.23 | wols_ | with debootstrap you can use your own directly howevre: how do you make the linux-image.deb without a running debian? |
| 09:24.36 | wols_ | !tell Kiirani about kernel-paclage |
| 09:24.40 | wols_ | !tell Kiirani about kernel-package |
| 09:25.02 | Kiirani | Ah, thanks :D I was planning to install from knoppix, grab any needed tools that aren't on there as necessary and uh.. Pray? |
| 09:25.20 | wols_ | why would you install from knoppix and how? |
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| 09:25.33 | wols_ | note: knoppix is NOT debian. if you install knoppix on hdd you doN#t have debian |
| 09:26.08 | pocketsnooker | Gnu is not unix |
| 09:26.09 | Kiirani | Because that's how I usually install gentoo systems, and I've used a menu based installation for debian before and found it frustrating. The plan was to follow the installation from an existing linux system guide while booted into a knoppix 5 livecd. |
| 09:26.43 | wols_ | even with debootstrap, the install menu will look the same |
| 09:26.54 | Kiirani | Curses, it demands an install menu? |
| 09:26.58 | wols_ | and debian installers have a gui mode now :) |
| 09:26.58 | Kiirani | I was supposed to -skip- that part. |
| 09:27.05 | Kiirani | Oh, even worse! :P |
| 09:27.13 | wols_ | what do you mean by "install menu"? |
| 09:27.16 | jetscreamer | you can automate it iirc |
| 09:27.23 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 09:27.23 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 09:27.32 | wols_ | e.g. when you install debian will need to ask you stuff like what's your network, what keyboard settings will you use and such |
| 09:27.43 | jelly | Kiirani: you could boot a livecd and then do a debootstrap install. |
| 09:27.45 | Kiirani | I can set that up myself. |
| 09:28.05 | wols_ | while you can,every debian installer will ask you about it. always |
| 09:28.05 | jelly | oh, you were already told that. /me gets coffee |
| 09:28.15 | Kiirani | I'd like to configure the system myself frmo the start. The main reason I'm choosing debian is it has a binary based package manager. Gentoo is something laptops (in my experience) don't like |
| 09:28.25 | jelly | wols_: preseed! |
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| 09:28.56 | wols_ | jelly: sure but what'S the point. you don't lose anything by going though the menu.it's not as if through the menu you get anything bloatier thasn with presseed |
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| 09:29.11 | jelly | well, it skips the interactive parts |
| 09:29.17 | Kiirani | The page (which is pretty light) seems to claim that debootstrap copies files, not so much handing you the semi-graphical environment I was handed last time |
| 09:29.18 | wols_ | all you have is more work to do setting up presseed and making it work. preseed sif ine i you have to install a lab. not a single machine |
| 09:29.18 | jetscreamer | if you do the menu take every check box off in tasksel |
| 09:29.23 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks |
| 09:29.31 | wols_ | of course tasksel sucks donkeyballs |
| 09:29.33 | jetscreamer | tasksel selections rather |
| 09:29.40 | wols_ | but you don#t have to use it. debian installer won't mind if you don't |
| 09:30.01 | Kiirani | So.. I'll go with testing then? |
| 09:30.07 | jelly | Kiirani: so you don't click anything in tasksel, and end up with a base system. This is what I almost always do anyway |
| 09:30.13 | wols_ | there is one or two checkboxes in tasksel to turn or or better yet just prss cancel there and you are done and have a shiny debian bas system |
| 09:30.14 | jetscreamer | unless you like stable |
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| 09:30.25 | wols_ | Kiirani: you always install etch. always |
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| 09:30.33 | jelly | Kiirani: if it's a server, go with stable |
| 09:30.37 | jetscreamer | unless you don't want to |
| 09:30.38 | Kiirani | Well, I like stable, but "stable" tends to be "old", not just stable. |
| 09:30.45 | wols_ | Kiirani: you can install testing by upgrading from stable |
| 09:30.55 | Kiirani | wols_, yes, that's what I thought |
| 09:30.59 | wols_ | you still start with stable installer |
| 09:31.06 | wols_ | jelly: you don#t |
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| 09:31.09 | jetscreamer | why d/l everything then update it |
| 09:31.24 | wols_ | anbd the testing installer usually has bugs. you might be lucky or you might be not. and then you DO installtwice |
| 09:31.26 | Kiirani | jelly - I would definitely go with stable for a server, unless I found it had something majorly outdated compared to what I'm used to |
| 09:31.39 | Kiirani | I wasn't intending to _use_ an installer.. |
| 09:31.47 | wols_ | Kiirani: get a debian netinstall image for stable. I'd suggest kmutos |
| 09:31.52 | wols_ | !tell Kiirani about kmuto |
| 09:32.02 | jetscreamer | !dfebootstrap |
| 09:32.07 | jetscreamer | !debootstrap |
| 09:32.08 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 09:32.12 | wols_ | Kiirani: install it then upgrade to testing, then build your new kernel as you wish |
| 09:32.23 | wols_ | Kiirani: that's the fastest and most supported way for dbeian |
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| 09:32.38 | jetscreamer | fastest my ass |
| 09:32.45 | jetscreamer | no offence |
| 09:32.51 | Kiirani | Right. But.. if I successfully install by configuring myself and skipping the installer, I still get supported, right? :P |
| 09:32.57 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 09:32.57 | wols_ | jetscreamer: it is the debian way, period |
| 09:33.07 | wols_ | Kiirani: if it's a real debian, yes |
| 09:33.13 | jetscreamer | debian refuses to refuse innovation |
| 09:33.15 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 09:33.18 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 09:35.47 | General_Tso | Hello. I have saved a iptables ruleset, and now I am seeing what I would guess is iptables logging traffic as my machine starts up and shuts down. Does anyone know what could cause this? Here is my ruleset saved to /etc/firewall.conf: paste.debian.net/49398. Here is my /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables: paste.debian.net/49399/ |
| 09:35.47 | Kiirani | wols_ - let's say I set up everything as real debian but dumped a generic kernel in temporarily to get it running, then did it the debian way afterwards.. would that work? |
| 09:35.47 | niru | can anybody help me in detecting a nokia phone in debian using usb cable |
| 09:35.47 | jetscreamer | should |
| 09:35.47 | wols_ | Kiirani: you can put in a generic kernel anytime you like |
| 09:35.47 | jetscreamer | should function... |
| 09:35.57 | Kiirani | niru - does it show up in lsusb, dmesg, etc? Does the phone support ums? |
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| 09:36.56 | jetscreamer | i have compiled kernel.org and it works better than the .24 source in debian :o |
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| 09:37.11 | jetscreamer | pf-net module sucks? |
| 09:37.14 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 09:37.18 | Kiirani | wols_ - Okay then, cool.. as long as I'm not stuck like I was last time (a fair while ago, less experienced) when I found my very basic grub.conf wasn't compatible with the kernel the installer gave me. :D |
| 09:37.22 | jetscreamer | it scrolls by too fast |
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| 09:37.38 | niru | Kiirani, Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0421:0445 Nokia Mobile Phones |
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| 09:37.41 | Kiirani | (I did set it up to point at the right image, it was an init thing or something) |
| 09:37.50 | jetscreamer | hahahaha |
| 09:37.53 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 09:37.53 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 09:38.13 | jetscreamer | grubshell rocks btw |
| 09:38.14 | wols_ | Kiirani: you can get vnailla kernel.org sources asnd compile a working and fine debian kernel with kerne-pakcage from it (kernel-package gives you a deb you can isntall and uninstall. config is totally yours tho= |
| 09:38.42 | wols_ | e.g. I always do vanilla.org kernels without initrd |
| 09:38.45 | Kiirani | niru - then it's detected, try dmesg | tail after plugging it in. It should probably mention what device it's on. Mine tends to be /dev/sdf1, but that's a gentoo system |
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| 09:38.55 | wols_ | tho if you do raid or such you might need one |
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| 09:39.17 | Kiirani | wols_ - without initrd is the whole idea. |
| 09:39.25 | jetscreamer | you'll want root=UUID= instead of root=/dev/whatever also probably at some point |
| 09:39.29 | Kiirani | I'm probably very undebianlike, I started out on gentoo, it's the only system I've used |
| 09:39.42 | jetscreamer | in grub menu.lst and fstab |
| 09:39.58 | jetscreamer | just hack at it as usual but in a diff way |
| 09:40.26 | Kiirani | Hmm, why would that be different? |
| 09:40.32 | jetscreamer | you can build from source too |
| 09:40.40 | jetscreamer | the methods i mean |
| 09:41.18 | niru | Kiirani, http://pastebin.ca/908320 |
| 09:41.22 | pocketsnooker | you mean you can go to hell |
| 09:41.41 | msn | lol |
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| 09:42.36 | Kiirani | Hmm. That's odd. niru - Can you give me a moment, I don't know how similar the systems are but I'll plug mine in and give you something to grep for. If that doesn't give results, I'll have to hand you to somebody who actually uses debian :P |
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| 09:43.21 | jetscreamer | define hell |
| 09:43.23 | Kiirani | niru - try dmesg | grep 'usb-storage' |
| 09:43.56 | niru | Kiirani, dmesg | grep "usb-storage" |
| 09:43.56 | niru | usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage |
| 09:43.56 | niru | usb-storage: device found at 3 |
| 09:43.56 | niru | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 09:43.56 | niru | usb-storage: device scan complete |
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| 09:44.20 | niru | Kiirani, did you get that |
| 09:44.29 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 09:44.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:44.35 | `13k | jetscreamer: huge exothermic object |
| 09:44.54 | Kiirani | Okay then. So ls /dev/sd*, if any of them have a 1, mount /dev/sd#1 /mnt/usb (or whatever you want to mount it on) (replacing # with th drive letter) |
| 09:45.06 | Kiirani | Actually, I'm not certain if debian puts them on sd |
| 09:45.13 | Kiirani | does debian put them on /dev/sd*? |
| 09:45.17 | jetscreamer | nowadays lately |
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| 09:45.32 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l should show it if it acts like a drive |
| 09:45.43 | Kiirani | Ooh! |
| 09:45.46 | Kiirani | That's a smart idea. |
| 09:46.03 | Kiirani | My next choice was going to be to read dmesg from the start. Learn something new every day I guess. |
| 09:46.11 | niru | Kiirani, usually it puts them on sdb |
| 09:46.21 | niru | Kiirani, and all harddisk on sda* |
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| 09:46.24 | Kiirani | niru - Ah okay. So what's the problem then? It's detected |
| 09:46.28 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid is my favorite maybe |
| 09:46.32 | niru | Kiirani, and at present I dont find any sdb |
| 09:46.40 | Kiirani | Ah. |
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| 09:47.10 | Kiirani | niru - Hmm. The usb-disconnect bit in the first paste. Was that because you actually disconnected the device? |
| 09:47.10 | jetscreamer | niru: did you try fdisk -l |
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| 09:47.32 | niru | Kiirani, no I didnot disconnect |
| 09:47.36 | Kiirani | Hmm! |
| 09:47.45 | Kiirani | That'll be the problem then. Can you pastebin the whole of dmesg? |
| 09:47.51 | niru | jetscreamer, it shows harddisk details |
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| 09:48.31 | niru | Kiirani, ok |
| 09:48.57 | Kiirani | By the way, I like this place |
| 09:49.11 | jetscreamer | it's kinda slow atm |
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| 09:49.42 | Kiirani | Sure, but I uh, like the people so far. |
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| 09:50.09 | niru | Kiirani, http://pastebin.ca/908325 |
| 09:51.05 | niru | Kiirani, when I select the pcsuite |
| 09:51.12 | niru | i get the following in demesg |tail |
| 09:51.14 | niru | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 8 |
| 09:51.14 | niru | usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 09:51.14 | niru | cdc_acm 2-2:1.8: ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 09:51.14 | niru | usb 2-2: bad CDC descriptors |
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| 09:51.44 | Kiirani | stop doing that, yeah, looks like you have some kind of issues. |
| 09:52.23 | niru | Kiirani, what issues |
| 09:52.24 | Kiirani | To state the obvious... :P |
| 09:52.29 | Kiirani | Haha, damned if I know. |
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| 09:52.32 | Kiirani | I'm reading |
| 09:52.32 | jetscreamer | and ow omg quit turning the power off on your box |
| 09:52.38 | jetscreamer | shutdown normally! |
| 09:52.52 | niru | jetscreamer, you are asking me to shutdown my machine |
| 09:52.52 | jetscreamer | at least i guess that's where the fsck'ing is coming from |
| 09:52.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:53.05 | niru | jetscreamer, then |
| 09:53.13 | jetscreamer | i'm saying why so many fs errors |
| 09:53.30 | jetscreamer | PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:1d.7 |
| 09:53.43 | Kiirani | Ooh. niru - nokia phone you said? |
| 09:53.53 | niru | Kiirani, yes |
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| 09:53.58 | Kiirani | You're not the only one with that problem |
| 09:54.04 | Kiirani | there's no solution though http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/usb-2-2-bad-cdc-descriptors-605362/ |
| 09:54.16 | jetscreamer | usb 2-2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 09:54.29 | jetscreamer | do phones need usb2.0?> |
| 09:54.36 | jetscreamer | that would be ehci |
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| 09:55.31 | Kiirani | Hmm. Wouldn't the system/device/hardware handle that better? |
| 09:55.53 | Kiirani | Although I suppose all the background errors would just be interpreted as quiet failing on other systems |
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| 09:56.55 | zeitsofas | hello @ all - i have problems in xfac4 sound control - i can switch capture control to 100% but it shwitch down automaticly at the same time :( i use lenny - anny ideas to fix it ? |
| 09:57.28 | zeitsofas | ? |
| 09:57.29 | niru | Kiirani, what can i do now to make it detected |
| 09:57.36 | Kiirani | It _is_ detected |
| 09:57.37 | niru | Kiirani, wait a sec |
| 09:57.39 | Kiirani | it's just dying |
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| 09:59.06 | Kiirani | Hmm.. My phone is "using uhci_hcd" too, so that possibly isn't it |
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| 09:59.52 | niru | Kiirani, ? |
| 10:00.19 | jetscreamer | wth is sda10 |
| 10:00.37 | niru | jetscreamer, its one of the hard disk partitons |
| 10:00.48 | Kiirani | niru - what type of phone is it exactly? Have you looked to see if other people have used it with linux? Have you had it work successfully under linux before? (this is an indication that I can't read any further into dmesg) |
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| 10:02.06 | niru | Kiirani, its nokia N80 |
| 10:02.06 | niru | and we are testing it first time in linux here |
| 10:02.06 | niru | jetscreamer, join #jetscreamer |
| 10:02.06 | kirillov | wols_: i've solved the GDM problem |
| 10:02.30 | kirillov | it was a splashy bug |
| 10:02.35 | niru | Kiirani, I am able to use the same nokia mobile for bluetooth file transfer |
| 10:02.45 | kirillov | remove and purge any splashy stuff |
| 10:02.48 | Kiirani | Hm! |
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| 10:02.59 | Kiirani | So I take it you're using usb just for the sake of getting it to work? |
| 10:03.00 | kirillov | and all is ok |
| 10:03.20 | Kiirani | (I did that with the microphone in my webcam, turned out to be better than my desk mic) |
| 10:04.11 | kirillov | take this info for the others noobs like me :) |
| 10:04.15 | kirillov | byee |
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| 10:04.40 | jetscreamer | usb hard drives want usb 2.0 |
| 10:04.49 | jetscreamer | guess phones are different |
| 10:05.06 | Kiirani | I can't imagine the system not having ehci support anyway.. |
| 10:05.12 | jetscreamer | it does |
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| 10:05.37 | jetscreamer | mine only a couple of the ports are 2.0 iirc |
| 10:05.49 | niru | jetscreamer, so what I need usb 2.0 |
| 10:05.56 | jetscreamer | his should all be i think |
| 10:06.09 | jetscreamer | niru: i don't know. i just know about usb hds |
| 10:06.33 | jetscreamer | i would try to make sure it was on one personally, but i know nothing. |
| 10:06.39 | Kiirani | Ahh I see.. Hmm, that's a good question, I wonder what mine are |
| 10:06.42 | EdLin | USB 2.0 is 40 times faster, but that's irrelevent for some things and very relevant for others. |
| 10:07.19 | jetscreamer | thus spake zarathrustra |
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| 10:07.53 | Kiirani | Hmm. Fascinating problem, or bed. |
| 10:07.56 | EdLin | what's the application? Lots of data transfer? You need 2.0. A keyboard? Heck, even 1.0 will do. |
| 10:07.58 | Kiirani | Fascinating problem / Bed. |
| 10:08.08 | jetscreamer | phone |
| 10:08.17 | jetscreamer | niru's |
| 10:11.15 | Kiirani | niru - you could always check what type of port it's in and move it if you have.. both.. I mean, it can't hurt? |
| 10:11.15 | jetscreamer | ehci is loaded, i saw it in his dmesg |
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| 10:11.16 | jetscreamer | don't know how to tell which port(s) it is |
| 10:11.16 | Kiirani | Mine are labelled "USB 2.0" |
| 10:11.16 | Kiirani | Prebuilt machines are like that. |
| 10:11.16 | cybermad | do you know how to auto turn on server at 8:30 am ? i have some servers, but i'm not on site every day. |
| 10:11.16 | jetscreamer | oh no idea... |
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| 10:11.16 | EdLin | Kiirani: depends on how old the prebuilt machine, mine came with 1.1, I had to add 2.0 with a PCI card. |
| 10:11.16 | jetscreamer | !wol |
| 10:11.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wol is wake-on-lan |
| 10:11.16 | Kiirani | EdLin - I was referring to the labelling, not the fancy stuff coming in it :P |
| 10:11.16 | Kiirani | I'm allergic to usability |
| 10:11.17 | Polleke | cyberjames, some pc have the abbility to do that in their bios |
| 10:11.26 | Polleke | that was for cybermad |
| 10:11.55 | EdLin | brb |
| 10:12.34 | Polleke | other trick is that some will auto turn on when they have power |
| 10:12.54 | jetscreamer | that's usually settable in the bios also |
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| 10:13.21 | EdLin | next time, fire up in a screen session. (Note to self.) |
| 10:13.25 | jetscreamer | kick the kk guy |
| 10:13.49 | cybermad | Polleke so, where i should put the trigger? i want to have low watt device to do that.. |
| 10:14.17 | jetscreamer | your machines don't support wake on lan? |
| 10:14.52 | Kiirani | So much for an hour and a half away from the computer before bed |
| 10:14.54 | gordonjcp | cybermad: why do you want your servers to turn on at a specific time? |
| 10:15.06 | cybermad | i haven't test it jetscreamer, but i must do it.. |
| 10:15.18 | jetscreamer | !wake on lan |
| 10:15.18 | dpkg | wake on lan is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN et al |
| 10:15.30 | jetscreamer | useless maybe |
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| 10:15.35 | Polleke | cybermad, ehmmm... there are those time clocks... but they are made mostly for home enviroments |
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| 10:15.51 | Kiirani | Good question, why can't you just leave them on and have cron jobs to start and stop tasks as necessary? |
| 10:16.00 | cybermad | gordonjcp i work as outsource IT Support on several office, i manage their servers, router, fax server, etc.. i already did auto shutdown with task scheduller or crontab |
| 10:16.16 | gordonjcp | cybermad: right, so why are you shutting them down and starting them up |
| 10:16.18 | gordonjcp | ? |
| 10:16.18 | Kiirani | but.. _why_ auto shutdown? |
| 10:16.33 | \quit | after downloading some porn |
| 10:16.39 | \quit | just do some bash scripting |
| 10:16.42 | \quit | script |
| 10:16.50 | cybermad | Kiirani it's all about saving money for power consumption |
| 10:16.50 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN seems useful |
| 10:16.55 | \quit | wget blablabla.com (crlf) shutdown now |
| 10:17.04 | gordonjcp | cybermad: it won't save money |
| 10:17.09 | Kiirani | cybermad - oh, I take it they use an enormous amount of power then? |
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| 10:17.16 | jetscreamer | hey you seem to know how to do it quitkkk guy |
| 10:17.25 | gordonjcp | cybermad: unless you need to run your servers off a generator running on single malt whisky |
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| 10:17.40 | cybermad | sorry my english not fluent.. |
| 10:18.01 | Polleke | gordonjcp, why won't it save power if you turn off something for 40% of the time? |
| 10:18.04 | jetscreamer | turn off computer needlessly bad |
| 10:18.22 | gordonjcp | Polleke: it won't be a worthwhile saving |
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| 10:18.32 | DawgPower | but computers can be noisy |
| 10:18.34 | cybermad | yes it really can save monthly electric charge.. because i running about 6 server (PCs) at 400 - 500 watt each |
| 10:18.35 | EdLin | because you'll have to buy new computers a lot sooner |
| 10:18.38 | DawgPower | and disturb sleep |
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| 10:19.00 | EdLin | power cycles cause thermal stress, power surges, etc. |
| 10:19.05 | Hyphenex | how come I can't 'apt-get install torrentflux' |
| 10:19.14 | gordonjcp | cybermad: so you're rather replace all the hard disks and power supplies every six months? |
| 10:19.43 | Kiirani | Hehe. My whole family turns their computers off at night. I wonder if i should tell them that one. |
| 10:19.51 | cybermad | gordonjcp what is the relation of my question? sorry.. |
| 10:19.55 | Polleke | gordonjcp, desktop pc are turned on and off every day aswell... doesnt make sense |
| 10:19.58 | cybermad | i don't get it |
| 10:19.59 | EdLin | Kiirani: they don't run servers. |
| 10:20.00 | jetscreamer | Hyphenex: because you're not worthy |
| 10:20.07 | SlayerXP | Hyphenex: because your hands have been amputated. |
| 10:20.08 | Kiirani | True |
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| 10:20.09 | jetscreamer | Hyphenex: or it's not in your sources |
| 10:20.12 | gordonjcp | cybermad: severs aren't designed to be turned on and off all the time |
| 10:20.28 | jetscreamer | !info torrentflux etch |
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| 10:20.33 | jetscreamer | !info torrentflux lenny |
| 10:20.37 | EdLin | Kiirani: even so, they will have longer computer lifetimes if they reduce power cycling to only if the computer will be off for many hours. |
| 10:20.40 | dpkg | torrentflux: (web based, feature-rich BitTorrent download manager), section web, is optional. Version: 2.3-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 443 kB, Installed size: 2537 kB |
| 10:20.48 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 10:20.48 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 10:20.53 | jetscreamer | [04.21.19] <dpkg> Package 'torrentflux' does not exist. |
| 10:21.01 | jetscreamer | in etch |
| 10:21.01 | Kiirani | EdLin - Hmm, I think that fits then. |
| 10:21.16 | Kiirani | Myself.. it's hardly worth taking all my files down for 9 hours |
| 10:21.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg lart themill |
| 10:22.00 | Kiirani | Anyway, I'm off to bed #debian, nice meeting you all and I hope to join you soon :) |
| 10:22.00 | jetscreamer | yay! klined! |
| 10:22.04 | Hyphenex | so I can't install it using apt? |
| 10:22.04 | EdLin | Kiirani: well, if you have a heavier hard-drive load than a typical desktop system, you'll need constant power. Preferably with a UPS. |
| 10:22.14 | jetscreamer | Hyphenex: backports maybe |
| 10:22.18 | jelly | jetscreamer: stuff happens? |
| 10:22.18 | Kiirani | Urk, yes. |
| 10:22.21 | jetscreamer | !tell Hyphenex -about backports |
| 10:22.23 | Hyphenex | jetscreamer: backports? |
| 10:22.25 | themill | !tell Hyphenex about simple sid backport |
| 10:22.28 | cybermad | gordonjcp this is just for office use, not for 24 hours on server.. when there is no activity in office, so no need to keep on all servers |
| 10:22.39 | cybermad | because the servers is not use too.. |
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| 10:22.49 | gordonjcp | cybermad: you may as well leave them on |
| 10:22.50 | jetscreamer | jelly: i don't like racism. so good. |
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| 10:22.56 | Kiirani | EdLin - I suppose that depends on how you define 'typical'. A lot of linux users will have more load than typical just by running. I don't think my needs require a UPS, i'm doing okay with just leaving it plugged in |
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| 10:23.13 | gordonjcp | cybermad: you're not planning on doing any backups overnight then? |
| 10:23.14 | EdLin | cybermad: yes, but servers, even if not being used, have a heavier load than what's on their desk. Leave them on. |
| 10:23.26 | Kiirani | (I say linux users because we seem to have the monopoly on computer-obsessed geeks) |
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| 10:23.44 | Kiirani | (In fact, I'll shut up now) |
| 10:23.59 | jetscreamer | no there are fans of the other os just as into it |
| 10:24.14 | jetscreamer | ##windows for starters |
| 10:24.29 | EdLin | jetscreamer: yes, and people with lobotomies are happy too. |
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| 10:24.35 | jetscreamer | eh |
| 10:24.40 | gordonjcp | meh |
| 10:24.42 | Kiirani | Yeah, I've met ##windows |
| 10:24.43 | jetscreamer | i think it's all just as good as the admin |
| 10:24.50 | gordonjcp | why would Linux users have all the power consumption? |
| 10:25.11 | EdLin | jetscreamer: well, I'm sure, for that matter, that Windows admins are quite raving mad. |
| 10:25.16 | jelly | jetscreamer: ah, it really was an idiot |
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| 10:25.25 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 10:25.46 | jetscreamer | yeah to both :) |
| 10:25.47 | cybermad | the basic question: does 6 servers at 450 watt / 500 watt each.. and turn off about 14 hours every day will save your pocket? |
| 10:25.51 | EdLin | gordonjcp: because we have l33t sever$ |
| 10:25.51 | Kiirani | Ufff. I was just merely trying to convey that the use of a lot of people who tend to use linux would be greater than typical (although not great enuogh to warrant a ups) due to more time spent doing more intensive tasks. |
| 10:25.56 | EdLin | server$ |
| 10:26.06 | cybermad | because you will just use them for 8 - 10 hours |
| 10:26.11 | jetscreamer | and they don't have powersave? |
| 10:26.12 | quirim | are you able to bind specific keys to a specific command? |
| 10:26.12 | wols_ | cybermad: how is this debian related? |
| 10:26.16 | gordonjcp | bloody linux users with their n00b operating system and low-power equipment |
| 10:26.19 | jetscreamer | suspend? |
| 10:26.22 | wols_ | quirim: xmodmap? |
| 10:26.42 | quirim | ok thanks I will check that out |
| 10:26.47 | Kiirani | Aanyway. I'm going to bed, goodnight |
| 10:26.54 | jetscreamer | he wants to know how to do it in debian i guess |
| 10:26.56 | EdLin | cybermad: and have them fail at the beginning of that 8-10 hours, no doubt. |
| 10:27.03 | cybermad | wols_ not debian related... just an IT that use debian as server and have question about manage their server |
| 10:27.04 | jetscreamer | or has debian on them |
| 10:27.22 | wols_ | cybermad: if it's not dbeian related then go away please |
| 10:27.29 | cybermad | wols_ :) ok |
| 10:27.30 | jetscreamer | boo |
| 10:27.44 | Polleke | EdLin, where does this "servers can't be power cycled like desktops" come from? Do you have a source for it? It seems so unlikely to me |
| 10:27.46 | wols_ | server management != debian management or support. #hardware is the palce to ask |
| 10:28.00 | cybermad | ok no problem :) take it easy |
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| 10:28.38 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN |
| 10:28.40 | EdLin | Polleke: well, I don't power cycle my desktop either.... |
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| 10:29.10 | cybermad | thanks jetscreamer |
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| 10:30.16 | ringo999 | hi. im trying to find a backport for the uswsusp package (http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=uswsusp&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports). search wont find it, however, I get the message "Some results have not been displayed due to the search parameters." what does that mean? |
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| 10:30.49 | cybermad | btw, does debian support suspend mode? |
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| 10:32.31 | ringo999 | cybermad: uswsusp works (almost) for me..., sometimes it hangs when resuming, but that might be a problem with the x-server... |
| 10:32.48 | dogbait | if you can afford to run your servers only half the day, chances are you're not utilising them at 100% capacity? One option to save power is to migrate a few to virtual machines and run fewer servers as a result |
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| 10:32.57 | ringo999 | and by hang i mean the system still works, just the keyboard / mouse doesnt respond... |
| 10:33.01 | EdLin | cybermad: suspend mode is even worse than powering down on a computer, from what little I know. |
| 10:33.06 | niru | Kiirani, r u there |
| 10:33.11 | niru | jetscreamer, and you |
| 10:33.27 | themill | !tell ringo999 about suspend troubleshooting |
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| 10:33.44 | EdLin | !r u |
| 10:33.48 | dogbait | suspend's a pita and not worth the trouble unless you're using Linux on a laptop |
| 10:34.03 | EdLin | !r |
| 10:34.03 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 10:34.06 | EdLin | !u |
| 10:34.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:34.48 | ringo999 | dogbait: I do. and i would love to have it working. as a commuter you just need it... |
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| 10:35.23 | ringo999 | themill: thx |
| 10:35.27 | vlt | Hello. How do I add a locale to a system? |
| 10:35.45 | vlt | Is there a dpkg-reconfigure command? |
| 10:35.55 | RichiH | anyone running sid recently lost all their window decorations? |
| 10:36.09 | et | using compiz? |
| 10:36.20 | themill | !locales |
| 10:36.20 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 10:39.44 | vlt | themill: Do you know how to call the dpk-reconfigure "menu"? The command just prints the installed locales and exits here. |
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| 10:41.16 | themill | vlt: cat /etc/locale.gen might be what you are looking for |
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| 10:41.40 | vlt | themill: Thank you. |
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| 10:42.02 | efdeeIDLE | after performing a apt-get upgrade, mysql is complaining that it can't find "check_root_accounts" when starting (actually, /etc/mysql/debian-start is). where do i get these scripts ? |
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| 10:43.24 | RaymondX | hello, how can i customize gdm's login screen? i want to change it with my own wallpaper |
| 10:43.56 | YouBucky | Hey All, Running Debian Etch and I have ntfs support cimplied in my kernel but I cannot write to an external NTFS USB drive, accoring to mount the drive is rw. Any suggestions? |
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| 10:44.54 | RaymondX | YouBucky: did you install smb? |
| 10:45.10 | YouBucky | RaymondX: Thanks, yes i did |
| 10:45.31 | YouBucky | RaymondX: Wait, I installed Samba |
| 10:45.42 | YouBucky | Not smb if thats differant |
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| 10:46.03 | RaymondX | samba is used for networking with windows machines |
| 10:46.37 | zinx | Samba is a server that implements the SMB/CIFS protocol |
| 10:46.44 | zinx | also has some client stuff |
| 10:46.52 | RaymondX | smb allows access to ntfs drives |
| 10:46.54 | zinx | so it's the same |
| 10:47.02 | zinx | no, SMB is a generic file transfer protocol |
| 10:47.20 | zinx | like NFS |
| 10:47.26 | jetscreamer | vlt: you running debian? |
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| 10:47.36 | YouBucky | so are you saying I need to install smb or should this be in the packae smbclient? |
| 10:47.45 | nevyn | zinx: but slower. |
| 10:47.48 | zinx | YouBucky: smbclient will connect to windows shares |
| 10:48.10 | zinx | YouBucky: the samba server (smbd) will allow you to share.. if you want to share files, you'll need that |
| 10:48.50 | YouBucky | zinx: thanks, I have samba working correctly but I simply want to write to an external USB drive. Currently I'm unable to even though mount states its rw |
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| 10:49.07 | zinx | YouBucky: is it attached via USB? |
| 10:49.09 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 10:49.09 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 10:49.11 | YouBucky | zinx: yes |
| 10:49.18 | zinx | YouBucky: then you don't need samba/smbclient at all |
| 10:49.23 | zinx | YouBucky: is it formatted NTFS? |
| 10:49.26 | jetscreamer | you want that or ntfs-3g |
| 10:49.30 | zinx | !tell YouBucky about ntfs-3g |
| 10:49.54 | RaymondX | YouBucky: it should ask a password when you attempt to mount it for the first time |
| 10:50.08 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 10:50.09 | zinx | yeah, vfat for ntfs.. usually FAT mounts as read/write by default |
| 10:50.32 | zinx | the kernel ntfs driver has difficulty writing files even with R/W support and mounted read/write |
| 10:50.33 | YouBucky | RaymondX: There was no prompt for a password and yes the drive is NTFS |
| 10:50.34 | zinx | i think it can't create new files yet |
| 10:50.43 | zinx | ntfs-3g can create new files |
| 10:50.45 | jetscreamer | YouBucky: ntfs-3g |
| 10:51.02 | zinx | RaymondX: it's not a network share, it's a USB drive |
| 10:51.17 | jetscreamer | for instance, #/dev/sdb2 /home/sdb2 ntfs-3g auto,users,exec,rw,umask=022,fmask=002,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
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| 10:51.26 | jetscreamer | but you have to install it |
| 10:51.38 | zinx | or just ntfs-3g /dev/sdg1 /foo |
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| 10:51.47 | YouBucky | jetscreamer: Cheers, I'll try that now |
| 10:52.05 | zinx | and fusermount -u /foo when you're done |
| 10:52.06 | jetscreamer | yeah i had to learn that when ntfs-3g mountint in fstab fuxored up |
| 10:52.14 | zinx | given that it's a USB drive, not putting it in fstab may be the better option |
| 10:52.20 | RaymondX | zinx: i know it's not a network....but i have a secondary drive that runs on xp. it prompts for a password everytime i double-click on it |
| 10:52.35 | erik2 | looking for a color picker for debian... a package name ? |
| 10:52.44 | jetscreamer | that's probably a gnome thing or kde |
| 10:52.48 | zinx | RaymondX: you probably don't have permission to mount it, and gksu or something is running :) |
| 10:53.17 | zinx | erik2: there's always gimp... though perhaps a bit overkill for only color-picker functionality |
| 10:53.33 | YouBucky | seems ntfs-3g isnt available through apt.... damn it!! :) |
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| 10:53.43 | zinx | YouBucky: see what i had dpkg tell you |
| 10:53.49 | jetscreamer | http://www.colourlovers.com/ |
| 10:53.51 | zinx | YouBucky: or /msg dpkg ntfs-3g? |
| 10:53.57 | erik2 | zinx: yeah.... |
| 10:53.59 | jetscreamer | it's not in etch? |
| 10:53.59 | zinx | gcolor2 - Simple GTK2 color selector and picker |
| 10:54.05 | zinx | jetscreamer: nope |
| 10:54.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 10:54.11 | zinx | jetscreamer: but it's on backports |
| 10:54.21 | jetscreamer | yeh i figured |
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| 10:55.58 | YouBucky | zinx: Sorry Im not really an IRC user, did you want me to do something? (haha you're probably thinking, irc user?? its english tool!!) |
| 10:56.31 | RaymondX | YouBucky: it's easier if you just boot into the ntfs drive and install ext2ifs |
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| 10:56.36 | jetscreamer | he wants you to type /msg dpkg ntfs-3g in your irc client |
| 10:56.39 | zinx | YouBucky: yeah, type "/msg dpkg ntfs-3g?" |
| 10:56.46 | zinx | RaymondX: eh, not really |
| 10:56.48 | jetscreamer | and look at the msg the bot tells you in that other window |
| 10:57.10 | zinx | RaymondX: ntfs-3g is on backports, so it's not exactly the hardest thing to install in etch |
| 10:57.31 | zinx | it's in lenny/sid, but you folks shouldn't be running those ;) |
| 10:57.32 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 10:57.40 | YouBucky | Cheers guys, appreciate thehelp |
| 10:57.49 | jetscreamer | why would booting windows help connect a usb drive in linux |
| 10:57.58 | YouBucky | zinx/RaymondX: Thanks |
| 10:58.52 | jetscreamer | guess he didn't like my explanation |
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| 11:07.23 | smallGnome | l |
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| 11:10.05 | coolbhavi | hello I am an ubuntu member who is on debian presently... have installed the timeoutd package.. how to configure it to display messages at certain intervals of time? |
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| 11:11.07 | ceil420 | Debian does install with a GUI by default, right? (or it's at least a noticable option during install?) |
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| 11:11.30 | liable | ceil420: not unless you choose desktop during task selection |
| 11:12.31 | ceil420 | so yeah, during install? |
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| 11:13.00 | liable | ceil420: yes, if you chose desktop during install |
| 11:13.11 | ceil420 | thanks :) |
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| 11:15.29 | tuxie_bob | any body wokred in xen in debian |
| 11:15.33 | tuxie_bob | need help in config file |
| 11:15.34 | tuxie_bob | :( |
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| 11:17.02 | bony | i am unable to setup proxy auth in debian system wide. what are the configuration options that i need to look through |
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| 11:21.52 | tuxie_bob | hi |
| 11:21.56 | tuxie_bob | any xen helpers here around |
| 11:22.02 | tuxie_bob | i need basic config file |
| 11:22.09 | tuxie_bob | im not able to work out with,, |
| 11:22.45 | tuxie_bob | i m trying using the vmlinuz file in guest iso.. but not able to start xen guest os installation |
| 11:22.51 | tuxie_bob | any help please... |
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| 11:23.15 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'd like dhclient to automatically sync with an ntp (pool.ntp.org) server when I request an IP with dhclient. How do I do that ? |
| 11:23.40 | wols_ | lord_rob: ipup.d |
| 11:23.44 | wols_ | lord_rob: ip-up.d |
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| 11:24.57 | Rada | O hai |
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| 11:25.06 | Rada | Failed to fetch http://ftp.dkuug.dk/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.1/g++-4.1_4.1.1-21_amd64.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
| 11:25.09 | Rada | HALP? |
| 11:25.12 | tuxie_bob | hi rada |
| 11:25.34 | Rada | =/ |
| 11:25.39 | wols_ | Rada: delete the g++ deb if one already exists on the system and use the official dk mirror |
| 11:25.47 | Rada | hmm.... thanks. |
| 11:25.53 | Rada | =) |
| 11:26.04 | Rada | Where are downloaded packages saved? |
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| 11:26.41 | lord_rob | ok thanks wols |
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| 11:26.47 | tuxie_bob | any xen users... |
| 11:28.31 | Rada | wols_: Hey, it worked! :D |
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| 11:29.49 | liable | Rada: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 11:31.53 | lwarne | hello ! |
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| 11:32.16 | xstasi | hail :) |
| 11:32.21 | xstasi | anyone using makejail here? |
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| 11:33.27 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 11:33.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:33.38 | lwarne | can someone explain me, briefly the differences between debian and ubuntu please ? |
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| 11:33.41 | xstasi | mg |
| 11:33.42 | xstasi | mh |
| 11:33.44 | xstasi | ok |
| 11:33.45 | microtux | hi |
| 11:33.50 | wols_ | why debian |
| 11:33.52 | xstasi | makejail won't make me a jail for apache |
| 11:33.54 | wols_ | !why debian |
| 11:33.54 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 11:34.00 | Rada | lwarne: Ubuntu has some sexy extras that make it that much worthwhile having on your desktop. |
| 11:34.05 | xstasi | he says "/usr/lib/apache2/modules/httpd.exp is a script run with the interpreter ." |
| 11:34.08 | wols_ | !jail |
| 11:34.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, jail is only in bsd. see <vserver> |
| 11:34.22 | xstasi | ...? |
| 11:34.31 | lwarne | it's only about desktop ? |
| 11:34.58 | xstasi | what? |
| 11:34.58 | lord_rob | wols_: I don't use ppp but ifplugd |
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| 11:34.58 | wols_ | lord_rob: so? |
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| 11:35.21 | microtux | i'm trying to install these packages : libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common |
| 11:35.25 | vaq | !vserver |
| 11:35.25 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
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| 11:35.28 | xstasi | well anyway, makejail is trying to resolve the dependencies for the file "/usr/lib/apache2/modules/httpd.exp", which is not a script, but he thinks it is. |
| 11:35.30 | lord_rob | wols_: so I should change my way to solve the problem ? |
| 11:35.37 | xstasi | what can i do? |
| 11:35.43 | microtux | but apt-get install was unable to retireve them from repositories |
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| 11:35.56 | microtux | and i can't found them on any repos |
| 11:36.27 | microtux | was they deleted from debian etch ??? |
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| 11:36.45 | wols_ | !tell microtux about sdo |
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| 11:36.53 | wols_ | !tell microtux about sdn |
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| 11:39.52 | tuxie_bob | no xen users now??? |
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| 11:41.28 | chris_abyi | hey! I've got an intel wifi 3945 agn card in my notebook and I'm currently searching for the best driver. is the iwl3945 the right one? |
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| 11:41.45 | chris_abyi | (running lenny) |
| 11:42.24 | microtux | wols_, can't found it on sdn too; does it mean that i will never get this package ?? :( |
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| 11:44.53 | wols_ | !info libgtk1.2 |
| 11:44.56 | dpkg | libgtk1.2: (The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-18.1 (sid), Packaged size: 853 kB, Installed size: 1824 kB |
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| 11:45.27 | wols_ | microtux: libgtk 1.2 is in main in every debian branch |
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| 11:46.23 | microtux | strange; i'm using etch and apt-get install can't retrieve .deb from repos; hhmm |
| 11:46.45 | wols_ | microtux: your sources.list is most probably broken |
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| 11:47.33 | microtux | wols_, do you have some repos that i can't add to my sources.list |
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| 11:47.48 | microtux | wols_, apt-get update does not exist |
| 11:47.51 | wols_ | !tell microtux about sources.list |
| 11:48.02 | wols_ | what do you mean "does not exist"? |
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| 11:48.37 | torrr | hi |
| 11:48.58 | microtux | when i run apt-setup it tells me "command not found" |
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| 11:49.13 | torrr | I have two nics one 10Mbps, and one 1000Mbps, and for some reason both operate in 10Mbps |
| 11:49.18 | torrr | how can I solve this? |
| 11:49.34 | wols_ | who told you to run apt-setup? |
| 11:49.55 | wols_ | torrr: ethtool or mii-tool might help |
| 11:49.56 | sep | torrr, they should autonegotiate to the speed of the switchport |
| 11:50.24 | torrr | sep the switch is 1000Mbps capable |
| 11:50.36 | microtux | wols_, when i was using sarge i used to update my sources.list with apt-setup |
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| 11:50.56 | wols_ | !tell microtux about apt-setup |
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| 11:50.58 | microtux | wols_, apt-setup was removed with etch |
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| 11:51.09 | _Ergo_5850 | hello |
| 11:51.12 | wols_ | I know. and if you know too, why do you try to run itß |
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| 11:51.36 | torrr | are these two lines in interfaces ok? allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:51.36 | torrr | iface eth0 inet static |
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| 11:51.57 | Zharf | static needs an ip |
| 11:51.58 | wols_ | sure. IF there is more after the iface line |
| 11:52.11 | microtux | i knew that it was removed just when i tried it :) |
| 11:52.35 | microtux | wols, anyway thank u very much |
| 11:52.40 | microtux | wols_, have a nice day |
| 11:52.48 | _Ergo_5850 | im running a debian in virtualbox , and moved it to another virtual machine on different pc, now eth0 is lost and i cant get it working , on #vbox support i got a hint like that " Debian has some file where it remembers the MAC address of the ethernet and refuses to show it if the MAC address changes." does anyone know what is that about ? or when i can force os to rescan my hardware for new NIC ? |
| 11:52.50 | margiolas | what i have to do in order kde automount cdroms? when i click on cdrom at media i take the message "operation only with hal" but i have the hal installed |
| 11:52.52 | torrr | Zharf, wols_ there is an ip, gateway and submask after |
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| 11:53.22 | chris_abyi | hey, has your bot any information about iwl3945? |
| 11:53.39 | Zharf | torrr, netmask you mean? :) |
| 11:53.40 | wols_ | _Ergo_5850: grep eth0 /etc/udev/rules.d/* |
| 11:53.48 | torrr | Zharf, yes |
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| 11:54.07 | wols_ | torrr: that's all fine but what has it to do with yur network running at 10MBI? |
| 11:54.35 | wols_ | margiolas: is HAL running? |
| 11:54.51 | margiolas | wols_: yes |
| 11:54.59 | torrr | wols_, I don't know, I think maybe I did something wrong when I defined the interface, so I wanted to check if what I did was OK |
| 11:55.22 | _Ergo_5850 | wols_ : thanks that returned a result to me , but what should i do with it ? |
| 11:55.22 | torrr | ethtool eth0 shows "Speed 1000Mb/s" |
| 11:55.50 | wols_ | _Ergo_5850: delete the line |
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| 11:56.17 | wols_ | erik2: or use eth1 from now on. you have that reight now |
| 11:56.19 | torrr | I check by connecting to the firewall on the eth0 and downloading a file from an other PC |
| 11:56.23 | tuxie_bob | hi ... |
| 11:56.28 | tuxie_bob | any xen user here |
| 11:56.37 | tuxie_bob | i need help in xen config file |
| 11:56.38 | wols_ | !tell tuxie_bob about anyone |
| 11:57.09 | tuxie_bob | im installing suse 10 in Debian 4 |
| 11:57.09 | torrr | and then the speed is just 1MByte/s |
| 11:57.34 | _Ergo_5850 | wols_ : i commented it out , thank you for help |
| 11:57.45 | tuxie_bob | vmlinuz image file is copied from iso image |
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| 11:59.05 | tuxie_bob | im getting error as invalid argmenta |
| 11:59.09 | torrr | maybe it is the ftp server that use only one of the interfaces? |
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| 12:00.00 | erik2 | wols: huh ? |
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| 12:00.49 | wols_ | erik2: _Ergo_5850 uses a asutpid underscore as first lettet |
| 12:00.56 | wols_ | thros off tab complete |
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| 12:01.35 | segfault- | hi/salut. |
| 12:02.18 | tuxie_bob | any help? |
| 12:02.27 | Ergo^ | wols_ : happy ? |
| 12:02.54 | DustyBin | is there any linux software around what can control touch screen displays? |
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| 12:10.42 | Ergo^ | DustyBin: : i saw at least one movie on youtube that demonstrated compiz controlled by touch screen so there should be something for that |
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| 12:10.54 | earthian | Hello |
| 12:11.26 | Ergo^ | and i worked at post where we had linux controlled machines and it was touch screen enabled but it was more or less siemens properietary software i guess |
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| 12:12.31 | earthian | I have two laptops configured for ad-hoc network in /etc/network/intefaces: http://www.hashphp.com/84, however on laptop2 it fails to set wireless things up. iwconfig shows no changes made after any network restart or ifup ifdown etc.. |
| 12:12.42 | earthian | any idea how to fix this or where to look for a problem? |
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| 12:15.32 | chuckkh | ok here goes... is there a java for Debian 64 bit testing that handles .jar files correctly? |
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| 12:15.46 | chuckkh | I have tried... hold on |
| 12:15.53 | Enf0rc3r | how much in kb is 128MB? |
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| 12:16.11 | et | Enf0rc3r: how many kilobytes are in one megabyte? |
| 12:16.20 | Enf0rc3r | nfi |
| 12:16.24 | Enf0rc3r | 1000? |
| 12:16.36 | themill | chuckkh: define "correctly" |
| 12:16.36 | et | well, ask wikipedia if you have no idea :) |
| 12:16.42 | Enf0rc3r | I can't |
| 12:16.53 | Enf0rc3r | he doesn't like me |
| 12:16.57 | chuckkh | java-6-sun-1.6.0.00, ia32-java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14, java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14 |
| 12:17.47 | Enf0rc3r | I must know this |
| 12:17.52 | Enf0rc3r | it is very important |
| 12:18.01 | chuckkh | themill: without this stack overflow SIGSEGV |
| 12:18.13 | segfault- | earthian, card is recognised in lspci output ? |
| 12:18.20 | earthian | segfault-, yes |
| 12:18.27 | chuckkh | "the crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code" |
| 12:18.27 | earthian | and is listed in iwconfig/ifconfig |
| 12:18.28 | segfault- | you use wpa ? |
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| 12:18.40 | earthian | segfault-, probably.. the "key" part |
| 12:18.58 | segfault- | earthian, wpa is the encryption.. |
| 12:19.01 | Ergo^_ | wols_: , after i took out that line what can i do to make os search for my new nic ? |
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| 12:19.07 | earthian | ok then I use it. |
| 12:19.08 | chuckkh | and that old truism applies, that it works in Windows |
| 12:19.16 | themill | chuckkh: where are these java packages from? directly from sun or from the debian repo? |
| 12:19.25 | segfault- | earthian, some wireless cards have problems handling it, tried with wep setting ? |
| 12:19.28 | chuckkh | themill: both, tried both |
| 12:19.32 | earthian | wep? |
| 12:19.35 | chuckkh | vs. 5 and 6 |
| 12:19.42 | segfault- | yes wep |
| 12:19.44 | earthian | alirght... i will try without encryption maybe? |
| 12:20.03 | segfault- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_Equivalent_Privacy |
| 12:20.07 | earthian | My network is safe anyway as it wont reach the public places.. |
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| 12:20.31 | earthian | ok thanks... standby i will try it |
| 12:20.40 | segfault- | dpkg, wep OR Wep is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_Equivalent_Privacy |
| 12:20.41 | dpkg | segfault-: okay |
| 12:20.53 | segfault- | dpkg, what is wep ? |
| 12:20.55 | dpkg | segfault-: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:20.59 | segfault- | hmm |
| 12:21.01 | segfault- | stupid bot ;p |
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| 12:21.16 | themill | ! wep or wep |
| 12:21.16 | dpkg | hmm... wep or wep is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_Equivalent_Privacy |
| 12:21.22 | themill | segfault-: fail |
| 12:21.31 | themill | dpkg: forget wep or wep |
| 12:21.31 | dpkg | themill: i forgot wep or wep |
| 12:21.47 | jelly | segfault-: 1. it's case insensitive 2. use /msg 3. read infobot or blootbot documentation |
| 12:21.54 | segfault- | themill, my bad on this one |
| 12:21.59 | themill | !wep |
| 12:21.59 | dpkg | from memory, wep is Wired Equivalent Privacy, the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. As secure as rot13. Ask me about <wpa>. |
| 12:22.20 | earthian | segfault-, i removed the wep/wpa keys and it still does not change the essid and channel... |
| 12:22.25 | themill | dpkg: wep is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_Equivalent_Privacy |
| 12:22.26 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 12:22.26 | chris_195 | hey.. could anyone tell me what's missing when I get this message with "make" ? "Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/source'" |
| 12:22.39 | segfault- | earthian, is the channel hidden ? |
| 12:22.40 | liable | huh |
| 12:23.04 | segfault- | (and what your log messages say ?) |
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| 12:23.17 | liable | ad-hoc doesnt do wpa |
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| 12:23.28 | segfault- | chris_195, tried ;:configure ? |
| 12:23.41 | earthian | segfault-, no. I have both cards set up with iwconfig <interface> essid xxx channel 3 and one card does the change in iwconfig <card> while other shows no change.. |
| 12:23.55 | themill | chuckkh: hmm... never had any problems with java like that. Can you use any of the free java implementations? |
| 12:23.56 | peleg | This is really against my will... but still: is it available to use *.mdb files as a small database on Debian, instead of mysql ? |
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| 12:24.17 | chuckkh | brb |
| 12:24.25 | chris_195 | segfault-, configure not found |
| 12:24.42 | earthian | peleg, you could use MS access for that through WINE |
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| 12:25.38 | peleg | earthlan: oh, I don't want to... PHP alone is not good enough for that? can't PHP read mdb files? |
| 12:25.58 | earthian | oh.. you want that with php |
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| 12:26.09 | earthian | peleg, try #php then |
| 12:26.10 | earthian | :) |
| 12:26.12 | peleg | earthian: yes, sorry I didn't mention... |
| 12:26.21 | segfault- | chris_195, you are sure that you are in the equivalent of /usr/src/linux ? |
| 12:26.21 | peleg | earthlan: yes, I will try. thanks! |
| 12:26.59 | chris_195 | segfault-, hm? I'm trying to make an iwl3945 driver source, lying on my desktop |
| 12:27.17 | chris_195 | segfault-, or did I misunderstood? |
| 12:27.36 | segfault- | chris_195, unknown to me, got the proper howto link ? |
| 12:27.37 | themill | !tell chris_195 about iwlwifi |
| 12:27.57 | Ergo^_ | hmm i have lspci showing me that there is a network adapter present |
| 12:28.19 | Ergo^_ | but there is no device like eth0 , what can be the cause of that ? |
| 12:28.47 | themill | Ergo^_: is it listed in "ifconfig -a" |
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| 12:29.04 | chris_195 | segfault-, yes, it's the right howto here, but it just says "make the source" and this is what I did. I guess theres probably some package missing because I just installed this system freshly. any idea? |
| 12:29.06 | Ergo^_ | arghhh |
| 12:29.13 | Ergo^_ | its listed as eth6 |
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| 12:29.50 | liable | !z25 |
| 12:29.50 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 12:30.28 | smegal | has anyone had experience with ardour freezing? |
| 12:30.33 | themill | chris_195: What kernel are you running? (etch's 2.6.18?) |
| 12:30.34 | segfault- | chris_195, did you ever compile a kernel before ? |
| 12:30.44 | smegal | cause, it just frooze, and now my whole system is froozen along with it :( |
| 12:30.54 | smegal | how long does it take to unfreeze? |
| 12:31.13 | Ergo^_ | heh i had a kernel panic yesterday on my system and there was nothing special going on :D |
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| 12:31.26 | themill | chris_195: If you're currently running the 2.6.22 from lenny (which it seems you are), then just follow the howto that dpkg just told you about. |
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| 12:31.54 | chris_195 | themill, I'm running lenny 2.6.22-3-686. I compiled a kernel but its already a long time ago. And I dont know for what I should do so because there isnt anything written about compiling the kernel anew in the tutorial about iwlwifi |
| 12:32.28 | themill | chris_195: gah... someone's edited that factoid and put in a completely useless tutorial. |
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| 12:33.24 | chris_195 | themill: ah okay, fine. just wondered why there wasnt something useful |
| 12:33.31 | liable | chris_195: get the 2.6.24 deb from sid, and install it and be happy |
| 12:33.40 | themill | chris_195: http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 12:33.46 | chris_195 | I got this here: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=HOWTO-iwlwifi |
| 12:34.03 | chris_195 | liable: I don't want to mix anymore. but thanks. |
| 12:34.05 | themill | liable: as long as you don't mind broken acpi tools |
| 12:34.26 | liable | themill: iwl breaks acpi anyway |
| 12:34.34 | themill | liable: ? |
| 12:34.58 | liable | themill: from what i have heard, suspend is borked with it |
| 12:35.09 | chris_195 | themill, thank you. Ill try this how-to. |
| 12:35.13 | themill | liable: never had any problems with mrs themill's laptop |
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| 12:35.47 | liable | carry on then |
| 12:35.56 | themill | liable: But there's a chance that I have it blacklisted so it gets removed before suspend. |
| 12:37.02 | liable | themill: only going on what i have read. i am still too lazy to get around to making my suspend to work |
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| 12:37.38 | Ergo^ | themill : , wols_ : thank you , your hints helped me get this working |
| 12:38.27 | themill | liable: Whereas having all your acpi tools completely screwed up because of the changes to /proc |
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| 12:41.46 | earthian | segfault-, it works now... kwifimanager somehow (only god knows how) made the two laptops communicate... |
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| 12:42.25 | zibi9797 | Hello |
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| 12:42.38 | Johnnuru | Hello! I have a Lenovo T61 with Debian Etch installed, can someone tell me how to install sound drivers and get some sound from it ? |
| 12:42.51 | wols_ | !laptop |
| 12:42.55 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 12:42.56 | wols_ | see the thinkwiki |
| 12:43.10 | wols_ | !tell Johnnuru about thinkpad |
| 12:44.26 | zibi9797 | I wonna to change my mandriva 2008 to debian |
| 12:44.43 | zibi9797 | wghich version is good for newbie |
| 12:45.10 | sep | zibi9797, start with etch (stable) and be comfortable there first |
| 12:45.16 | wols_ | zibi9797: stable/etch |
| 12:45.26 | wols_ | zibi9797: what hardware do you have? |
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| 12:45.34 | wols_ | especially chipset, soundcard and vga card |
| 12:45.40 | S4nD3r | how solve it ?? glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: invalid ELF header |
| 12:46.01 | wols_ | dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 |
| 12:46.01 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1! |
| 12:46.27 | zibi9797 | a duron processor with 1,2 mhz 384 mg ram geforce 4 64 mb |
| 12:46.42 | wols_ | zibi9797: etch should work fine |
| 12:46.47 | torrr | can someone help me figure out why my nic does only 10mbps? |
| 12:47.15 | zibi9797 | some links? |
| 12:47.25 | wols_ | zibi9797: links for what? |
| 12:47.28 | zibi9797 | i found some 4.0 r2 |
| 12:47.36 | wols_ | that wil work, yes |
| 12:47.42 | S4nD3r | wols_, dpkg: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 not found. |
| 12:47.43 | wols_ | !tell zibi9797 about d-i |
| 12:47.44 | zibi9797 | oki thanks |
| 12:47.48 | jelly | zibi9797: 1.2GHz? Debian stable (4.0) ought to work, yes. |
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| 12:48.43 | wols_ | S4nD3r: where is the file from then? |
| 12:48.51 | liable | themill: the 24 kernel does that on lenny? |
| 12:49.01 | S4nD3r | I guess is it from nvidia driver |
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| 12:49.16 | S4nD3r | I was trying to install nvidia driver |
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| 12:49.24 | themill | !2.6.24 acpi |
| 12:49.24 | dpkg | The debian package for kernel 2.6.24 does not supply the /proc interface for acpi which means that many battery monitoring tools won't work. Either look out for new versions of these tools or recompile your kernel with ACPI_PROCFS_POWER enabled. See http://bugs.debian.org/462305 |
| 12:49.25 | wols_ | S4nD3r: you have a SIS card. why is there a nvidia driver? |
| 12:49.39 | wols_ | S4nD3r: you used the nvidia.com drivers? |
| 12:49.47 | themill | liable: that bug is still open so it's still a problem in sid too |
| 12:49.51 | S4nD3r | lol... Yes. |
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| 12:50.08 | wols_ | S4nD3r: then don't ask #debian, ask nvidia.com |
| 12:50.08 | Schmidt | How do I create a new raid disk array on a Proliant DL380 from the command line? Or just in general what commands covers RAID creation? |
| 12:50.09 | S4nD3r | nvidia is a card at work !!! Sis, is card at home !! |
| 12:50.10 | liable | themill: hrm, acpi works on my 24 eee |
| 12:50.40 | wols_ | S4nD3r: we only support nvidia drivers in debiabn. and when you install those, they show up in dpkg -S |
| 12:50.52 | S4nD3r | neither tutorial to install nvidia on my linux box works untill now |
| 12:51.02 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt#L201 |
| 12:51.15 | themill | dpkg: 2.6.24 acpi =~ s/462305/463111/ |
| 12:51.15 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 12:51.24 | wols_ | S4nD3r: it does work. pebkac is not our problem. and nvidia.com drivers are totally not our problem |
| 12:51.29 | liable | themill: battery monitoring is hardlt the end of the world.. :P |
| 12:51.45 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.52 | wols_ | end of computing rather |
| 12:51.56 | S4nD3r | then, told me how to install this driver anyway |
| 12:51.58 | chris_195 | themill, : thank you for the link. now everything went fine. thanks. |
| 12:52.03 | S4nD3r | please ! |
| 12:52.13 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about nvidia |
| 12:52.14 | themill | chris_195: no worries! Good luck with it. |
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| 12:52.21 | wols_ | S4nD3r: what videocard, what krenel, what debian? |
| 12:52.24 | themill | liable: it is if you can't get your machine to turn on because it automatically hibernates because it thinks it has 0% battery left.... |
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| 12:53.25 | S4nD3r | GeForce MX 440, kernel 2.6.22, lenny |
| 12:53.40 | liable | my laptop still show battery life ok on 24 |
| 12:53.42 | tuxie_bob | any xen helper |
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| 12:53.48 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:53.57 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about nvidia_post_etch |
| 12:54.13 | themill | liable: I gather some hal-based monitors are OK because hal has been using the sysfs interface for a while. |
| 12:54.25 | S4nD3r | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:54.39 | liable | themill: powertop shows it ok, and i think it uses proc |
| 12:54.39 | wols_ | I just told you: installed from ETCH |
| 12:54.57 | S4nD3r | Oh.. I will need to change source.list, right ? |
| 12:55.05 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 12:55.08 | themill | liable: hmmm.... powertop is also supposed to suffer from that problem. |
| 12:55.26 | wols_ | you should know how to do it when you want to run lenny. if you can't: run etch instead |
| 12:55.33 | themill | liable: did you recompile the kernel or are you using the one in sid? |
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| 12:55.51 | liable | themill: works here. its a vanilla kernel though |
| 12:56.07 | S4nD3r | Do downgrade now ?! |
| 12:56.19 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 12:56.19 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 12:56.21 | themill | liable: all... so you've not turned off the deprecated interface that Debian apparently has. |
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| 12:57.01 | liable | themill: i see |
| 12:57.02 | S4nD3r | Theres or not a tutorial to install nvidia driver in lenny??? But, that really works |
| 12:57.28 | themill | liable: actually.... Debian has turned it back on for the time being: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.24-4/changelog#versionversion2.6.24-3 |
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| 12:58.28 | Majuk | Hey guys. Is there any reason I can't install Debian with a Gentoo minimal isntallation CD following the Debian net installation directions? Or possibly even through my current Gentoo environment? |
| 12:58.47 | wols_ | "debootstrap |
| 12:58.51 | wols_ | !debootstrap |
| 12:58.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 12:59.18 | S4nD3r | Maybe this works ! http://sonique54.free.fr/compiz-fusion/compiz-fusion.html |
| 12:59.19 | liable | themill: i see, my ee with 24 doesnt show battery in powertop |
| 12:59.30 | chris_195 | hey, is there already a way to install compiz fusion under lenny? I saw some packages in aptitude but no real bin file. And there were some tutorials around but these were for the unstable sid version |
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| 12:59.47 | Majuk | wols_: Was that directed at me? Because it reads something like Greek. |
| 13:00.29 | wols_ | Majuk: it's the way to install debian while running gentoo |
| 13:00.38 | wols_ | if you don't like it: have fun downloading a netinstall CD |
| 13:00.56 | liable | or just add a hd-media kernel to menu.lst |
| 13:01.16 | Majuk | wols_: Wow, you're a touchy guy aren't you. |
| 13:01.47 | themill | dpkg: no, 2.6.24 acpi is <reply>The early debian packages for kernel 2.6.24 did not supply the /proc interface for acpi which meant that many battery monitoring tools wouldn't work. The latest kernel packages (from 2.6.24-3) have reenabled ACPI_PROCFS_POWER for the time being. See http://bugs.debian.org/462305 |
| 13:01.48 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 13:02.55 | liable | themill: so, he can install that and use iwl :P |
| 13:03.28 | themill | liable: yep. :) |
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| 13:04.05 | themill | liable: BTW do you find iwlwifi keeps unassociating if you're using WEP/WPA? |
| 13:04.24 | Ergo^ | what are the main differences between centos and debian ? |
| 13:04.38 | Ergo^ | and what is more friendly to a new user as a VPS system ? |
| 13:04.48 | themill | !tell Ergo^ about why debian |
| 13:04.57 | liable | themill: nah, its been pretty good for me for quite some time now. it does occasionaly unassociate, but not enough to be annoying. |
| 13:05.30 | themill | Ergo^: I only use centos under sufferance. It has so little packaged for it you end up having to do a lot of work that our wonderful Debian Developers would otherwise have already done for you. |
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| 13:06.00 | Ergo^ | i was thinking it looks this way |
| 13:06.12 | Majuk | !tell Majuk about why debian |
| 13:06.14 | themill | liable: I blame hal then. mrs themill's laptop keeps jumping off our network and onto the neighbour's (unsecured) network. pita. |
| 13:06.18 | themill | !blame hal |
| 13:06.37 | Ergo^ | and i wondered if i dont have to compile anything , and jsut apt-get stuff i need |
| 13:06.39 | liable | themill: with nm? |
| 13:06.44 | Ergo^ | and have a working secured box |
| 13:06.48 | themill | liable: yeah |
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| 13:07.03 | liable | themill: i use wpasupp with a config. its pretty good. |
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| 13:07.28 | themill | liable: nm has a very high WAF as she needs to jump on and off different VPNs too and having it all through the same interface is nice. |
| 13:07.44 | liable | themill: ya, it certainly has its benifets |
| 13:08.01 | liable | swap the e and i around in that last word.. |
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| 13:10.05 | themill | liable =~ s/(i)([^ ]+)(e)/$3$2$1/ |
| 13:10.25 | liable | themill: my statement hurts the brain less ;) |
| 13:10.31 | Cripps | I'm running debian etch, and I tried to install QNX's momentics IDE ... it failed without giving me an uninstall ... I've removed the directory it tried to install to and /etc/qnx, but when I try to run the installer again it says that the program is installed. Can anybody give some hints in trying to figure out how to remove the program, or trick the installer? |
| 13:10.45 | Cripps | (the installer is packed into a *.jar) |
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| 13:11.11 | themill | liable: you should be happy that I didn't try putting a negative lookahead assertion too :) |
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| 13:11.17 | dhe-` | hello where can i find the kernel image for etch, where the last local root exploit is fixxed? |
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| 13:11.33 | themill | dhe-`: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 13:11.33 | dhe-` | 2.6.18-5-686 isnt fixxed |
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| 13:12.01 | dhe-` | themill: doesnt make anything |
| 13:12.07 | Cripps | then again, I'm running lenny. |
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| 13:12.24 | tralala | dhe-`, do you have the security sources? |
| 13:12.39 | darius12 | can I use systemtap with debian kernels? (i.e., do they include debug information?) |
| 13:12.51 | themill | dhe-`: 2.6.18-6 is the current kernel. Do you want to pastebin your sources.list so we can check it? |
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| 13:13.43 | S4nD3r | wols_, Tell me, how do I clean my installation of nvidia driver?? |
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| 13:14.15 | wols_ | S4nD3r: ask nvidia, not us |
| 13:14.20 | S4nD3r | When I try to run NVIDIA using sh, I have extraction failed message |
| 13:14.43 | wols_ | again: when you run nvidia.com dirvers. don't expect any help from this channel about them |
| 13:14.43 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 13:14.45 | S4nD3r | sorry |
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| 13:15.15 | wols_ | !tell dhe-` about security |
| 13:15.19 | dhe-` | themill: http://rafb.net/p/ILpaR233.html |
| 13:15.38 | dhe-` | wols_:http://rafb.net/p/ILpaR233.html |
| 13:15.45 | dhe-` | this is my sources.list |
| 13:16.27 | wols_ | adpkg told you something. read it |
| 13:16.40 | themill | dhe-`: that looks fine to me |
| 13:16.51 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: did you ever install the nvidia-drivers from etch or lenny ? |
| 13:17.23 | S4nD3r | I tried to install, but this didnt work |
| 13:17.30 | themill | dhe-`: But since the kernel has an ABI jump, you'll probably need to use dist-upgrade to upgrade it. And any modules you have compiled yourself you will need to recompile. |
| 13:18.04 | dhe-` | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:18.10 | dhe-` | is this the kernel you have? |
| 13:18.29 | dhe-` | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 13:18.38 | dhe-` | if not which from that list you have? |
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| 13:18.53 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: tehy leave 2 files in /etc/init.d. These 2 files kill all nvidia-com installs at each reboot. |
| 13:19.09 | gordonjcp | wols_: re nvidia drivers, that's a bit short-sighted isn't it? |
| 13:19.28 | gordonjcp | wols_: why wouldn't you help people with it? |
| 13:19.47 | gordonjcp | especially since NVidia make the only graphics cards with any meaningful Linux support |
| 13:20.05 | wols_ | gordonjcp: help them with what? nvidia.com drivers? |
| 13:20.17 | S4nD3r | There was just nvidia-kernel pumpkin0 |
| 13:20.22 | wols_ | I helped him installing debian nvidia drievrs for quite some time now |
| 13:20.23 | themill | dhe-`: no. 2.6.18-6-686 is the current etch kernel. It is in both main and on security.debian.org (because r3 was just released). |
| 13:20.28 | S4nD3r | Then I killed |
| 13:20.36 | wols_ | but he ignored that and wants to run nvidha.com drivers |
| 13:20.53 | S4nD3r | Look at tutorial, I will follow this one http://sonique54.free.fr/compiz-fusion/compiz-fusion.html |
| 13:20.54 | gordonjcp | wols_: ah, ok |
| 13:20.56 | wols_ | if he wants to that is his problem |
| 13:21.00 | S4nD3r | please pumpkin0 |
| 13:21.05 | Majuk | lol, wols, you really sound like you're not having a good day. :-P |
| 13:21.11 | gordonjcp | wols_: the packaged debian ones were a bit out of date last time I looked though |
| 13:21.24 | pumpkin0 | gordonjcp: there are 2 soucres: debian repos (works, but older) and nvidia.com (does sometimes work, sometimes not and nvidia does not care a lot). |
| 13:21.31 | wols_ | gordonjcp: nevertheless that is what is supported here. and they are perfectly fine for a gf4 |
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| 13:22.07 | wols_ | I have told many people now how to do a backport from sid for their 8600 and the likes but that's not needed |
| 13:22.21 | wols_ | and frankly, S4nD3r is not capable fo such a backport |
| 13:22.24 | dhe-` | themill: ah ok thanks, with this information i find it |
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| 13:22.28 | Majuk | wols_: Also, FYI, debootstrap is in the Gentoo Portage's repository. :) |
| 13:22.37 | S4nD3r | So, I just would like to have nvidia working. |
| 13:22.41 | pumpkin0 | S4nD3r: please what ? get rid of all files starting with nvi* in /etc/init.d so the packaged version doesnot kill the .com-version at reboot. |
| 13:22.44 | wols_ | Majuk: I doN#t give a flying fuck what is in gentoo. this is not #gentoo |
| 13:22.56 | themill | dhe-`: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade should be all you need to do with that sources.list |
| 13:23.01 | S4nD3r | Im following a lot of tutorials, but neither worked until now. |
| 13:23.04 | Majuk | wols_: LOL, God you're bitchy. /ignore ftw |
| 13:23.16 | themill | !pony wols_ |
| 13:23.27 | themill | wols_: does that make the world a happier place for you today? |
| 13:23.30 | Majuk | ROFL |
| 13:23.45 | wols_ | no. that pony has not black spots |
| 13:24.20 | Majuk | liable: You saw that too! I want a ti-liger! |
| 13:24.37 | liable | heh |
| 13:25.12 | Majuk | Title of the page should have been "When zoo-breeders get drunk" |
| 13:25.36 | dhe-` | themill: no it this it says there is nothing to do, but i have installed it via dpkg now |
| 13:26.01 | gordonjcp | wols_: a deep hole somewhere quiet is the best thing for a GF4 |
| 13:26.21 | gordonjcp | wols_: just push it in, fill the earth back in on top, and try to forget it... |
| 13:26.27 | wols_ | doN't dis GFF4s. good cards those! with the exception of the gf4mx |
| 13:26.47 | gordonjcp | true |
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| 13:26.56 | themill | dhe-`: sounds like aptitude update isn't doing anything then. Either that or you had actually installed it but not booted into it. What's the output of "dpkg -l libc6" |
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| 13:27.25 | Majuk | ...wtf? "No manual entry for debootstrap" No info page either. |
| 13:27.52 | pumpkin0 | !tell S4nD3r about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:28.03 | dhe-` | themill: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 13:28.29 | wols_ | pumpkin0: fyi he runs lenny |
| 13:28.45 | enouf | !nopony gordonjcp |
| 13:28.46 | dpkg | gordonjcp: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 13:28.56 | themill | dhe-`: ok, that's updated OK. |
| 13:29.10 | gordonjcp | enouf: lol |
| 13:29.13 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching linux-image |
| 13:29.32 | themill | dpkg: shut up |
| 13:29.32 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 13:29.36 | pumpkin0 | wols_: he tries to install v169 on a GF1. The driver dropped GF1 support a long time ago ... |
| 13:29.51 | wols_ | pumpkin0: I long told him he needs nvidia legacy |
| 13:29.57 | wols_ | if he doesn't listen, what can I do? |
| 13:30.08 | themill | dhe-`: you can check what kernels you have installed using: dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 13:30.16 | gordonjcp | can I just say, and I realise that this is woefully off-topic |
| 13:30.18 | wols_ | and your one-liner won't work for him either |
| 13:30.23 | pumpkin0 | wols_: legacy is the same in etch and lenny, right ? |
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| 13:30.37 | gordonjcp | but whoever decided that conductive rubber buttons for equipment front panels were a good idea |
| 13:30.38 | wols_ | there is no nvidia driver in lenny. anywhere. legacy or otherwise |
| 13:30.42 | gordonjcp | deserves to be stabbed |
| 13:31.18 | themill | gordonjcp: conducting rubber? that's a nice trick and a fairly expensive material |
| 13:31.23 | pumpkin0 | i mean you can use the legacy-driver package in etch and lenny ? Or were there major Xorg changes ? |
| 13:31.35 | gordonjcp | themill: it's just carbon-loaded silicone |
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| 13:32.03 | gordonjcp | themill: like remote control buttons |
| 13:32.03 | themill | gordonjcp: yep... still fairly expensive compared to the other materials you could use for such a thing |
| 13:32.05 | wols_ | pumpkin0: you can. and I told him to use it. but there are a few subtle problems: first, he's to ignorant to understand what to do and 2nd, etch nvidia packages won't work with compiz |
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| 13:32.38 | o2T7 | hi |
| 13:32.50 | gordonjcp | themill: can't be that expensive or it wouldn't be as common |
| 13:33.07 | gordonjcp | themill: and I wouldn't be soldering dozens of little clicky switches onto front panel PCBs |
| 13:33.16 | o2T7 | Do you know any free 3d garden design tool? |
| 13:33.29 | themill | gordonjcp: sounds fun |
| 13:33.49 | pumpkin0 | wols_: OK, so it's a totally lost case. oh well... |
| 13:34.05 | gordonjcp | o2T7: not offhand |
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| 13:34.23 | gordonjcp | o2T7: maybe you could use some 3d drawing program and create a set of objects for gardens? |
| 13:34.35 | tsurko | hello |
| 13:35.01 | tsurko | i have to limit about 300-400 networks with iptables. Is there a way to keep the networks in text file and load them from there? |
| 13:35.12 | wols_ | pumpkin0: it is not lost cause. it works very well. if you follow what I said. if you don't: you are stuck. like S4nD3r |
| 13:35.24 | wols_ | noth sid and etch have nvidia drivers for his card |
| 13:35.32 | wols_ | working ones. some even allow compiz |
| 13:35.36 | o2T7 | gondonjcp: Thank You, I was wondering if there would be something done, since it is for a big set of plants for a production business |
| 13:36.06 | Majuk | tsurko: Might try #iptables |
| 13:36.25 | tsurko | Majuk, ok sorry |
| 13:36.30 | pumpkin0 | wols_: he only cares about compiz. You cannot run compiz on the available drivers. so why even bother ? |
| 13:36.37 | wols_ | you can |
| 13:37.16 | pumpkin0 | wols_: the sid drivers support GF1 again ?? |
| 13:37.47 | wols_ | !info nvidia-legacy-glx |
| 13:38.05 | S4nD3r | !info nvidia-legacy-glx |
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| 13:40.41 | wols_ | pumpkin0: there was nvidia-elgacy 96.xx packages in sid |
| 13:41.19 | enouf | o2T7: i don't know; but perhaps things such like http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Blender and maybe http://www.aqsis.org/xoops/modules/news/ |
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| 13:47.34 | arturaz | what things i should backup if i don't wanna do full filesystem backup? dpkg selections, mysql databases, /etc, /home... ? |
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| 13:48.32 | enouf | o2T7: more http://www.k-3d.org/wiki/Main_Page and for 2d only http://www.qcad.org/qcad.html |
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| 13:50.18 | wols_ | alfanick: /var/ /etc/ /home/ |
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| 13:50.41 | wols_ | not everything in /var but fairly much. e.g. webpages, mail, dpkg DB,etc |
| 13:51.26 | themill | mysql dbs |
| 13:51.57 | ManuP | how do i change the little logo/icon at the upper right (next to Applications)? |
| 13:52.06 | Python1320 | !seen imgrey |
| 13:52.07 | dpkg | imgrey <n=Dorian@132-44-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 245d 22h 42m 24s ago, saying: 'wols_, there is silence'. |
| 13:52.15 | Python1320 | lol |
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| 13:52.47 | stddoubt | where can I get tinyX? |
| 13:53.11 | segfault- | themill, you were speaking earlier of knowledge/speaking bots, remember wich ? (the only one i do know is darkbot) |
| 13:53.50 | themill | segfault-: I was? Do you mean text-to-speech? |
| 13:54.05 | segfault- | nah |
| 13:54.09 | segfault- | like dpkg does |
| 13:54.20 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 13:54.21 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:54.24 | themill | ahh. dpkg is a blootbot or infobot. |
| 13:54.30 | segfault- | k thx |
| 13:54.37 | segfault- | themil. |
| 13:54.41 | themill | !infobot |
| 13:54.41 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
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| 13:55.11 | my007ms | is there any option make lftp exit script if it can not login |
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| 13:55.45 | timonator | hello folks. recently i tried installing the closed source nvidia drivers "the debian way" with module assistant and all, from the instructions on the wiki, but that failed horribly. apparently the version that "the debian way" gives me is too old or something and starting X hardlocks my system |
| 13:56.18 | timonator | so i used the nvidia official installer "NVIDIA-blergh.run" but now upon boot or shutdown or some time else debian still does *something* to my stuff, so that i have to reinstall the drivers each time i boot the comp |
| 13:56.34 | timonator | how can i cleanly remove all stuff left over from "the debian way" to get rid of this problem? |
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| 13:58.37 | pumpkin0 | timonator: you have to remove the nvidia-files from /etc/init.d |
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| 13:59.09 | pumpkin0 | timonator: these files are installed by the debian-nvidia driver and kill the nvidia.com driver at each startup. |
| 13:59.21 | segfault- | timonator, aside pumpking0 check the rc.*d |
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| 13:59.47 | toad_ | how do i tell my system to use the sun java not gij java? it's switched from gij to sun ... is it a matter of changing the /etc/alternatives symlinks, or is there a more "official" option? |
| 13:59.47 | abrotman | rc*.d ? |
| 14:00.09 | abrotman | toad_: update-alternatives |
| 14:00.11 | timonator | so, how can i find out what package provides these init scripts? |
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| 14:00.31 | abrotman | timonator: dpkg -S |
| 14:01.02 | timonator | thanks |
| 14:01.04 | pumpkin0 | timonator: the 2 files are named: nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx. |
| 14:01.23 | timonator | yes |
| 14:01.45 | pumpkin0 | timonator: chmod -x is OK too. |
| 14:02.02 | segfault- | timonator, i did misexplained myself, i did mean to check for any residues on the rc.*d (in case there is any AND IF ONLY the error persist) |
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| 14:02.17 | toad_ | abrotman: thanks, that worked |
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| 14:02.28 | segfault- | pumpkin0, gruiiik |
| 14:02.38 | abrotman | rc*.d |
| 14:02.44 | segfault- | (the pig cried in joy seeing your solution ;)) |
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| 14:04.33 | timonator | oh, interesting. "aptitude remove nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx" does nothing at all |
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| 14:04.57 | abrotman | timonator: dpkg -L <pkg1> <pkg2> |
| 14:05.01 | abrotman | erm .. -P |
| 14:05.14 | pumpkin0 | timonator: it does remove the files, but it does not remove the config (read: anything under /etc) |
| 14:05.22 | timonator | aah |
| 14:05.38 | pumpkin0 | timonator: there is a switch to remove the config too. |
| 14:05.40 | timonator | so i can just delete the two init scripts and links to them in the rc*.d folders? |
| 14:05.55 | RaymondX | timonator: reconfigure the xserver-xorg i think |
| 14:06.02 | abrotman | timonator: you could .. but the system will still think they are there |
| 14:06.57 | timonator | wait, how can it think that? what references the files? |
| 14:07.28 | abrotman | timonator: dpkg -l nvidia* .. do they say "rc" for their status ? |
| 14:07.36 | pumpkin0 | timonator: apt keeps track of all installed config files. (even if it does not remove them at uninstall. |
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| 14:08.11 | RaymondX | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <<< releases the xserver from nvidia |
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| 14:08.19 | timonator | it says rc for those |
| 14:08.36 | abrotman | timonator: "rc" means the package has been removed but conf files remain |
| 14:08.53 | abrotman | timonator: so if you want the conf files gone, you must purge the package |
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| 14:09.06 | timonator | will it utterly fail if the conf files are already missing? |
| 14:09.28 | abrotman | timonator: likely .. but you can just "touch <missing file>" to remedy that |
| 14:09.44 | timonator | the only problem is with the tls stuff |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | it doesn't check file contents .. just removes the file |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | tls? nvidia? |
| 14:10.04 | timonator | yes |
| 14:10.12 | abrotman | secure graphics drivers? |
| 14:10.34 | timonator | no |
| 14:10.38 | timonator | it's some weird stuff they have |
| 14:10.47 | timonator | in the init script there was an explanation and a link |
| 14:11.07 | abrotman | timonator: okay .. so try to purge the packages, what's the error? |
| 14:11.27 | timonator | dir /usr/lib/tls is not empty and will therefor not be deleted |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | that's not a problem |
| 14:12.00 | timonator | great :) |
| 14:12.19 | timonator | apparently the day is saved now, thanks a big lot! :) |
| 14:12.47 | abrotman | timonator: you won't know til you reboot :) |
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| 14:15.32 | segfault- | timonator, it's an informative message. |
| 14:15.46 | timonator | well, this is a linux box, so the next reboot will be... well... shutdown when i go to bed and power up when i get back home :) |
| 14:15.55 | segfault- | timonator, the remove process would have stop or asked you a question in case of a problem |
| 14:16.02 | timonator | all right |
| 14:16.07 | arturaz | wols_, why do i need dpkg db if i have selections? :) |
| 14:17.00 | tuxie_bob | any help in xen? |
| 14:18.01 | tuxie_bob | how to integrate kernel image.. |
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| 14:21.43 | blueD | hi, what the command to see which motherboard I have? |
| 14:21.57 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 14:21.57 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 14:22.07 | abrotman | i'm not sure it will show you the actual model though |
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| 14:23.21 | blueD | what does the command ! mean? |
| 14:23.56 | jeremy_c | blueD: reads from history (in bash) |
| 14:23.59 | abrotman | blueD: that's a shortcut for the bot |
| 14:24.04 | abrotman | !hi |
| 14:24.05 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 14:24.13 | jeremy_c | Oh. |
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| 14:24.27 | tuxie_bob | Hey dpkg |
| 14:24.47 | tuxie_bob | !did u see my prev messages |
| 14:25.03 | themill | !permasunday |
| 14:25.03 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 14:25.08 | abrotman | tuxie_bob: yes .. we saw .. maybe try ##xen or #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:25.36 | tuxie_bob | oh ok |
| 14:26.12 | susanne-- | is there a tool i can use that will allow me to graph/quantify (eg mrtg) bandwidth usage by user? |
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| 14:27.11 | Polleke | susanne--, define user |
| 14:27.34 | susanne-- | eg, user account on a debian box. |
| 14:28.27 | Polleke | susanne--, how would that user use traffic? |
| 14:28.44 | segfault- | susanne--, define "wich tools i must install first to know what user use what traffic" |
| 14:29.41 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:29.43 | segfault- | seriously, out of the bad joke, i only seen to this day pf doing that, you'd better go #iptables |
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| 14:30.30 | themill | segfault-: are you "helping" again? |
| 14:32.53 | segfault- | themill, seriously, how the f*ck it is the problem of debian helpers ? network filtering tool is a whole subject. |
| 14:33.35 | segfault- | themill, especially if it's for system users and not ftp/www/whatever |
| 14:33.47 | Polleke | segfault-, this might not need complicated iptables logging.. it might be estimating www usage |
| 14:34.07 | themill | segfault-: of course, and there is a lot of help that we *should* be able to give for people to find such things in our own repos. We are not just an install service that gets people up and running and then tells to fuck off should they ask anything more complicated. |
| 14:34.07 | Polleke | segfault-, hence my question what kind of traffic a user would use |
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| 14:34.49 | segfault- | Polleke, the problem is sorting wich packets from wich users and what tools to be used to trap that from eth0 and / or the specific kernel modules. |
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| 14:35.05 | segfault- | (or any eth in facts) |
| 14:35.27 | segfault- | themill, your treat if you want to do networking. |
| 14:36.07 | themill | segfault-: We should at least try to help a user until they exceed our ability to help or the breadth of the topic of this channel. How far we go depends on how busy we are. We're not that busy at the moment so we have time to help. We shouldn't push people away immediately, especially without trying to understand their problem first. |
| 14:36.46 | susanne-- | and so an appropriate, helpful response might be, for example, a url with a doc, or perhaps keywords the person asking might google for, or packages to check out that might point in the right direction. i can see that's too complicated for you, tho, so you'll resort to being snide, which is fine too. it would be even more helpful, however, if you'll be slightly more obvious about your being snide. |
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| 14:37.12 | segfault- | themill, on advanced subjects like that it's your teast. |
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| 14:37.34 | segfault- | susanne--, since iptables guys do network stuff they are more than able to answer you |
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| 14:37.57 | segfault- | susanne--, later back on we can give you specific debian help on those tools (if they exist, the syntax, etc) |
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| 14:38.20 | themill | segfault-: To give wrong advice or no advice or just push people away would turn us into #ubuntu or the ubuntu forums. I think I probably speak for all our regulars here in saying that we'd like to think we can do better than that. |
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| 14:38.35 | Grab | hello, im using psybnc and i typed: /addserver irc.freenode.org :6668, but no new server window opens: what to do? i waited for 10 mins |
| 14:39.33 | segfault- | themill, it's a wrong advice to tell people who seek for an advanced networking solution to tell he/Her to go on an approriate channel ? i do not think so. |
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| 14:40.16 | segfault- | anyway i'm not here to debate, you do what you want, i'll do the same; i'm not judging what you do i ask the same since my reasons are fine. |
| 14:40.18 | Polleke | segfault-, not before we know the exact thing a user wants |
| 14:40.47 | themill | segfault-: asking for help about this in #iptables is a bit like asking about how to modprobe in #kernel. Probably overkill. |
| 14:41.26 | segfault- | Polleke, she did explain she wanted a mrtg alike monitor for bandwidth that users on system that does consumate it. |
| 14:42.12 | segfault- | themill, ok then, nilda: go on #networking, it is maybe more appropriate. |
| 14:42.13 | themill | susanne--: "apt-cache search network|grep monit" throws up some interesting ideas. You might also want to ask here again tomorrow when some of the US-based admins are online and a bit later in the day (a lot aren't today). They might have some better ideas. Also, the signal/noise on channel might be better. |
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| 14:42.34 | Polleke | segfault-, she might have wanted to track vhost apache usage for domains that have files in the home dir of that usage. Normal approach would be to track apache logs |
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| 14:42.48 | segfault- | Polleke, she did specify it was for system users |
| 14:42.57 | Species84723414 | Hi. I think i have an hardwareissue, my linux server restarts every few hours. I need help with diagnostics. Can anyone help me? |
| 14:43.02 | Polleke | I give up |
| 14:43.14 | segfault- | system users aren't apache / ftp; or else her question is not properly formatted. |
| 14:43.40 | nebM0ft | If I have 1 gig ram, is a swap space still recommended? |
| 14:43.47 | nebM0ft | I dont think it will ever be used.. |
| 14:43.54 | Polleke | nebM0ft, it always is |
| 14:43.56 | themill | nebM0ft: yes. And required if you want to be able to suspend to disk. |
| 14:44.02 | nebM0ft | ohh |
| 14:44.22 | nebM0ft | does it matter if its primary or logical? |
| 14:44.33 | themill | nebM0ft: I have 2GB of ram on my laptop and some 4GB of swap and I'm currently using 2GB of that swap. |
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| 14:44.41 | nebM0ft | wow |
| 14:44.44 | segfault- | susanne--, Polleke themill oh and please, remember the guidelines tell you to use google to help yourself, look the first link i found is http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/330, and my keywords where : debian system bandwith usage. |
| 14:44.55 | nebM0ft | themill: you must be running a ton of servers there :) |
| 14:44.56 | segfault- | so please, watch what you say newbs |
| 14:45.21 | nebM0ft | themill: whenever i run htop swap is always empty |
| 14:45.28 | susanne-- | !tell segfault- about stfu because he's being holier than thou and fucking rude. |
| 14:45.42 | themill | nebM0ft: no, just thrashing the machine with some simulations at present. |
| 14:45.51 | themill | !prize susanne-- |
| 14:45.57 | themill | :) |
| 14:46.01 | segfault- | !tell susanne-- guidelines |
| 14:46.03 | segfault- | <dpkg> 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. |
| 14:46.09 | BigTuna_ | hi, a few quick questions about apt-get. First is there a good reference website on how to manage packages on your system properly? best practices? should an apt-get upgrade be done regularly or just install the security updates through aptitude? |
| 14:46.09 | Polleke | Species84723414, restarts? /var/log would be the place to start |
| 14:46.09 | nebM0ft | themill: whats the difference between a primary and logical partition? |
| 14:46.18 | segfault- | so YOU go fuck yourself. |
| 14:46.23 | nebM0ft | WOW :) |
| 14:46.35 | BigTuna_ | what do you guys do? |
| 14:46.43 | azeem_ | segfault-: please watch your language |
| 14:46.53 | themill | segfault-: debian-administration.org is a great site. That's a good link. |
| 14:46.57 | segfault- | BigTuna_, i'm trying to help when not having debate with persons who think they rule the channel. |
| 14:47.01 | deny[all] | hi, when i'm trying to make an update i get this error: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
| 14:47.04 | deny[all] | ani ideas? |
| 14:47.07 | deny[all] | any |
| 14:47.08 | Polleke | nebM0ft, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_partition is pretty complete on that I think |
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| 14:47.25 | sep | nebM0ft, the primary partition table can only contain information for 4 partitions. so usualy they make 1 partitino to boot from, and a huge second partition called extended. then they can make virtual partitions inside the extended one. |
| 14:47.29 | segfault- | themiill and she could find it with google, as i said i used simple keywords debian system bandwith usage |
| 14:47.32 | themill | deny[all]: the real error is probably further up. Can you pastebin the entire output? |
| 14:47.52 | deny[all] | themill: yes sure |
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| 14:48.33 | DawnLight | i've a question! i've a setup where messages are fetched from an address provided by the ISP using pop3 and put in a maildir for dovecot to serve via imap to several clients in the lan. these clients send mail using smtp via the isp's smarthost. i'd like these messages that they send to get stored in a maildir for dovecot to serve so that there will be an archive of sent messages. how can i do that? |
| 14:48.58 | deny[all] | themill: http://rafb.net/p/8yWydm96.html |
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| 14:49.32 | themill | segfault-: true. And it doesn't hurt to give both the link and the keywords you used. It's part of a learning process. When helping here, I spend a lot of time googling and searching apt-cache etc for other people. Perhaps my research skills are better than others (since it's what I do for a living) and I'm also a native english speaker which gives me an advantage on that front. Just because you found it with google doesn't (always) mean you can |
| 14:49.32 | themill | be rude to people about it. |
| 14:50.00 | Polleke | DawnLight, make a smarthost out of your own server that routes the messages to the smarthost of the isp but also makes a copy of the msg |
| 14:50.04 | sep | DawnLight, i'd make them use your own machine as a smarthost, run postfix on it, and have postfix use your isp's mailserver as smarthost.... and use the allways_bcc option in postfix. |
| 14:50.15 | segfault- | themill there is guidelines, aren't they are asked to follow them as i am ? yes, and of the debate. |
| 14:50.36 | themill | deny[all]: further back up. Right from the command you ran (right from apt-get update or aptitude update onwards) |
| 14:50.38 | pngwn | any chance you two could get past this? |
| 14:50.42 | BigTuna_ | in my sources.list should I have "stable" in there or should I specifically have "sarge"? |
| 14:50.51 | BigTuna_ | or does it matteR? |
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| 14:50.57 | Nyle | well hello |
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| 14:51.01 | themill | BigTuna_: you shouldn't use stable at all. and sarge != stable any more |
| 14:51.05 | sep | BigTuna_, yes it matters. |
| 14:51.15 | Nyle | were there some netplits or something |
| 14:51.16 | Nyle | ? |
| 14:51.20 | azeem | segfault-: as you said yourself, they are guidelines, not laws |
| 14:51.24 | deny[all] | themill: i use apt |
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| 14:51.51 | sep | you'd be the only one splitting in that case |
| 14:51.56 | Nyle | hm |
| 14:51.58 | Nyle | ok |
| 14:52.05 | DawnLight | Polleke: sep: i wonder why this isn't implemented in the IMAP protocol |
| 14:52.09 | Nyle | I'm bored here at work |
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| 14:52.16 | Nyle | first day at job as IT admin |
| 14:52.16 | susanne-- | themill: while i appreciate it, you can let it go. it's obvious he thinks he's got a bigger penis than the rest of us, and he apparently feels compelled to wave it at us. |
| 14:52.17 | BigTuna_ | alright |
| 14:52.18 | Nyle | heh |
| 14:52.26 | BigTuna_ | how is sarge no stable any more? |
| 14:52.26 | sep | DawnLight, imap is not about sending mail |
| 14:52.27 | BigTuna_ | not |
| 14:52.30 | Nyle | hey |
| 14:52.33 | Nyle | MY penis is big |
| 14:52.35 | azeem | susanne--: please also drop the ad hominems |
| 14:52.40 | Nyle | can i wave it... oh.. nm |
| 14:52.42 | sep | DawnLight, you can ofcourse instruct every client to "store sent mail in this imap folder" |
| 14:52.43 | segfault- | azeem, i was asked to abid by them recently, so why they should not ? and i also give her directions to get help from experience people who help on these specifics. |
| 14:52.45 | themill | BigTuna_: sarge is "oldstable". Feel free to pastebin your sources.list if you want someone to look over it. |
| 14:53.06 | sep | but that involves having to depends on each and every client/user to do the right thing |
| 14:53.08 | DawnLight | sep: don't want to rely on the clients too much |
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| 14:53.17 | azeem | segfault-: I don't care about the previous stuff, but "fuck you" is entirely inappropriate here |
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| 14:53.44 | vovka__ | hi all |
| 14:53.51 | BigTuna_ | so i should be changing my source list to point to etch and that will bring me there.. or do I have to do something else? |
| 14:53.52 | segfault- | azeem hey, watch it ! |
| 14:53.53 | Polleke | DawnLight, then go with what we said |
| 14:53.58 | sep | azeem, you should mention the same to susanne-- too then since singeling out segfault- to use the word is not fair either |
| 14:54.01 | segfault- | azeem she insulted me first |
| 14:54.04 | vovka__ | i need help with installation debian on ich7r raid 1 =\ |
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| 14:54.28 | Polleke | vovka__, ask the question, dont ask to ask |
| 14:54.37 | segfault- | azeem as you may not remember stfu means something, i just not used an acronym instead of her |
| 14:54.48 | DawnLight | Polleke: sep: should i make the mta put those outgoing messages in a different maildir? |
| 14:54.51 | themill | susanne--: no worries. Good luck with it.... |
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| 14:55.00 | vovka__ | well debian installer found 2 seperate SATA drivers, not raid1 |
| 14:55.01 | azeem | segfault-: stfu is quite different from fu |
| 14:55.16 | wols_ | DawnLight: a postfix transport might do the trick. and I'm sure exim can do something similar |
| 14:55.40 | wols_ | !dmraid |
| 14:55.40 | dpkg | methinks fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). |
| 14:55.41 | azeem | as might have escaped you, I also asked susanne-- to drop it |
| 14:55.43 | segfault- | azeem <dpkg> susanne-- wants you to know: SHUT THE FUCK UP because he's being holier than thou and fucking rude.! |
| 14:55.48 | wols_ | vovka__: like yours |
| 14:56.07 | sep | DawnLight i would |
| 14:56.08 | vovka__ | Polleke, q : how to install debian on ich7r fakeraid ? |
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| 14:56.24 | wols_ | vovka__: are you dualbooting with windows raid? |
| 14:56.28 | segfault- | azeem, no discrimination, she insulted me, i told her to go away in a "very not polite way". |
| 14:56.39 | wols_ | segfault-: please, stfu |
| 14:56.40 | azeem | segfault-: drop it |
| 14:56.50 | segfault- | wols_, do it to. |
| 14:56.55 | segfault- | azeem no. |
| 14:57.02 | Nyle | yo man |
| 14:57.04 | Nyle | relax |
| 14:57.05 | azeem | segfault-: then move it to another chan |
| 14:57.06 | segfault- | i've got right three times |
| 14:57.08 | Nyle | go do it, if you wanna go do it |
| 14:57.21 | segfault- | 1 : i given a good channel to help |
| 14:57.22 | Nyle | relax! go do it.. if you wanna go throug it, RELAX! |
| 14:57.23 | pngwn | segfault-, please be quiet |
| 14:57.25 | segfault- | 2 : i got insulted |
| 14:57.42 | BigTuna_ | there must be a website somewhere that tells you have to manage this |
| 14:57.47 | chomwitt | hi from greece. Is there an official user manual for debian ? |
| 14:57.55 | wols_ | !manual |
| 14:58.00 | themill | !tell BigTuna_ about sarge->etch |
| 14:58.02 | sep | !reference |
| 14:58.02 | wols_ | !tell chomwitt about ig |
| 14:58.02 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 14:58.04 | vovka__ | wols_, no .. it is clean install |
| 14:58.08 | segfault- | so you maybe admit it or not and i do not care, but she did not enforce the guidelines and i did not start the insults. |
| 14:58.14 | wols_ | vovka__: then use linux software raid |
| 14:58.23 | themill | BigTuna_: sorry... missed your question in amongst the noise |
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| 14:58.27 | azeem | segfault-: drop it |
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| 14:58.32 | abrotman | chomwitt: not in greek |
| 14:58.54 | vovka__ | wols_, how then to install software raid? ) |
| 14:58.58 | abrotman | chomwitt: do you know any other languages ? like italian? |
| 14:58.59 | wols_ | !raid |
| 14:58.59 | dpkg | well, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray |
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| 14:59.04 | segfault- | azeem, i asked to end the debate you wanted the prologation. |
| 14:59.09 | wols_ | doh. vovka__ read the install guide |
| 14:59.17 | vovka__ | wols_,ok thx |
| 14:59.18 | chomwitt | thank you very much. |
| 14:59.23 | wols_ | vovka__: the expert install cann install via raid |
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| 14:59.28 | abrotman | chomwitt: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 14:59.29 | segfault- | azeem and I will not move since I did nothing bad but tried to help her. |
| 14:59.41 | azeem | segfault-: drop it |
| 14:59.45 | azeem | I won't say it again |
| 14:59.53 | segfault- | azeem so what ? |
| 14:59.58 | segfault- | i'll not drop it |
| 15:00.03 | Nyle | dude |
| 15:00.06 | Nyle | you gonna get booted |
| 15:00.06 | segfault- | i got insulted and you let it pass |
| 15:00.09 | Nyle | azeem is an op |
| 15:00.12 | segfault- | fuck |
| 15:00.12 | Nyle | eitherway |
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| 15:00.16 | Nyle | let it go and get support |
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| 15:00.22 | vovka__ | wols_, expert?) |
| 15:00.25 | abrotman | that was some chanserv lag |
| 15:00.30 | wols_ | vovka__: read the install guide |
| 15:00.31 | azeem | segfault-: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 15:00.31 | Nyle | get what you came here for man, fuck other people, do what YOU need to get done, its YOUR time |
| 15:00.34 | susanne-- | <snigger> |
| 15:00.34 | Nyle | oh boy, nm |
| 15:00.44 | wols_ | susanne--: unwise |
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| 15:03.28 | BigTuna_ | alright so i should keep "sarge" in my source list for now. Upgrade to etch and then put "etch" in my source list... then I'm all set? or atleast in better shape? |
| 15:04.19 | wols_ | !tell BigTuna_ about sarge->etch |
| 15:04.28 | wols_ | BigTuna_: read it unless you like a unbootable system |
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| 15:04.46 | chomwitt | abrotman: i know only english. I'm asking because i'am writing a wikibook (from a user point of view) and i didnt wont to create more chaos in greek documentation |
| 15:04.55 | BigTuna_ | i will |
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| 15:06.12 | BigTuna_ | but for now keep sarge in my source list correct? until i'm done the upgrade procedure? I guess my question from the beginning was that if I have "stable" will it start getting packages from etch leaving me with a mixed up system? |
| 15:06.35 | abrotman | chomwitt: oh .. there's the debian wiki .. and http://debian.org/doc/ .. /msg dpkg grounding .. for some other references that might be helpful |
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| 15:07.52 | doublehp_ | how to change the keyboard layout within X using CLI ? got US, need FR. |
| 15:08.18 | sep | BigTuna_, yes having stable will mix up your system |
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| 15:08.30 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 15:08.30 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 15:08.45 | BigTuna_ | k, thanks |
| 15:09.03 | Species84723414 | Hello, i think i have an hardwareissue, that my system reboots every few hours. I need help finding out what it is... could anyone help me? |
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| 15:10.24 | abrotman | Species84723414: check all your logs in /var/log/ .. see if the time coincides with a cron task |
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| 15:11.24 | Species84723414 | abrotman: i checked the messages log and i found no errors or no issues which are indicating, that the server reboots / shuts down |
| 15:11.27 | Nyle | species84 something (this damn client has no tab complete), you may want to stress test yoru system. |
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| 15:11.48 | Nyle | species, run a memtest, most importantly, get a $5 psu tester and test your psu |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | what kind of crappy irc client doesn't have tab complete? |
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| 15:12.16 | Nyle | its called Boxirc |
| 15:12.27 | Nyle | opensource windows irc client |
| 15:12.49 | streuner | if you have to use windows, use X-Chat |
| 15:12.52 | Nyle | (me at new job IT admin, don't know the exactly policies.. so using somthing i didn't have to install |
| 15:12.59 | Nyle | i have not yet setup my ssh server at the house |
| 15:13.07 | joltcan | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 15:13.12 | abrotman | i thought you stopped using that |
| 15:13.16 | joltcan | Nice free windows x-chat |
| 15:13.17 | abrotman | windows i mean :) |
| 15:13.22 | Nyle | im at work |
| 15:13.35 | abrotman | pidgin? xchat? |
| 15:13.38 | joltcan | ssh and irssi in screen! |
| 15:13.39 | Nyle | abrotman, why are you talking to me? I thought I was ignored. |
| 15:13.42 | streuner | joltcan: no, X-Chat is limited, but there are forks |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | Nyle: at home you're not .. at work you are :) |
| 15:14.00 | joltcan | streuner: That is a nice fork. However, I don't run windows |
| 15:14.04 | Nyle | anyway, I'm done holding grudges |
| 15:14.17 | Nyle | fat ass |
| 15:14.19 | streuner | joltcan: that's better :-) |
| 15:14.19 | abrotman | streuner: that was the fork .. |
| 15:14.30 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:14.42 | streuner | Nyle: Dont forget abrotman is now op... |
| 15:14.49 | Nyle | yeh don't give a shit |
| 15:14.55 | abrotman | why do you think i had to take him off ignore :) |
| 15:15.00 | streuner | argh |
| 15:15.11 | Nyle | actually i didn't have to take you off, but jetscreamer convinced me |
| 15:15.17 | Nyle | i had no idea you were op until few days ago |
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| 15:16.17 | cemc | can somebody help me with vmware configuration on debian 4.0 ? |
| 15:16.23 | Nyle | but you've been professional mostly and polite enough, so its all good |
| 15:16.41 | Nyle | everyone grows up, I'm glad we both did |
| 15:16.46 | perfector | i want to upgrade to lenny... can i revert back to etch in case of problems?? |
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| 15:16.56 | Nyle | perfector, why upgrade? |
| 15:17.04 | Nyle | pefector, you can use backports |
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| 15:17.15 | Nyle | unless you know WHY you need/want to upgrade, don't |
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| 15:17.34 | perfector | Nyle: to use the newer packages.. i know it will be buggy |
| 15:17.43 | Nyle | but why? |
| 15:17.44 | abrotman | perfector: no you can't go back |
| 15:17.48 | Nyle | !downgrade |
| 15:17.48 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 15:18.38 | perfector | dpkg: even if the package exists only on etch nad not on lenny? |
| 15:18.38 | Nyle | ahh, here comes the security policies and guidelines |
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| 15:18.45 | nacer | oi |
| 15:18.46 | Nyle | now i have some heavy reading and coffee drinking to do |
| 15:18.49 | nacer | hi |
| 15:18.52 | Nyle | hi |
| 15:18.56 | nacer | gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error |
| 15:18.56 | nacer | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 15:18.56 | nacer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.01 | limpio | hi, build-essential is not in Etch, only in lenny and sid, is there another place where i can get a .deb for it? |
| 15:19.07 | nacer | i have a probleme or secoritty.debian.org have one ? |
| 15:19.28 | nacer | security |
| 15:19.40 | Nyle | what problem? |
| 15:19.41 | Polleke | nacer, my french isnt that good.. re run the command with english locale |
| 15:19.43 | Nyle | broken mid |
| 15:19.43 | streuner | limpio: heh? |
| 15:19.45 | Nyle | mirror |
| 15:19.53 | Nyle | i need to get a better irc client |
| 15:19.56 | streuner | !info build-essential etch |
| 15:19.57 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.3 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:19.58 | perfector | btw guys im really amazed at kpkg.. its changed the way i looked at a kernel recompile.. any more tips i cud use? |
| 15:20.34 | nacer | Polleke, oups i didn't notice the french locale |
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| 15:22.55 | xstasi | question: if i modify something under /etc/init.d, and upgrade the packages, will my modify get overridden? |
| 15:22.56 | limpio | streuner: thx bud |
| 15:23.06 | xstasi | or i will have the "What should i do?" question? |
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| 15:23.35 | alturiak | xstasi: you will be prompted with said question |
| 15:23.40 | xstasi | okay, thanks :) |
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| 15:25.45 | Species84723414 | Nyle: how do i get membtest for debian? |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | Species84723414: apt-cache search memtest |
| 15:26.03 | Species84723414 | and what's a $5 psu tester? |
| 15:26.09 | abrotman | Species84723414: or get the ISO from the memtest website and boot it |
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| 15:26.50 | Species84723414 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:27.26 | Species84723414 | how can i see how many memory i have? |
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| 15:27.40 | bwlang_ | Species84723414: free |
| 15:27.52 | Species84723414 | thanks |
| 15:28.14 | Species84723414 | bwlang_: are this bytes? |
| 15:28.23 | xsdg | Species84723414: yes |
| 15:28.35 | xsdg | Species84723414: err.... no... kilobytes |
| 15:28.40 | nacer | Polleke, 99% [3 Packages gzip 188416] [Waiting for headers] 15.9kB/s 0s |
| 15:28.40 | nacer | gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error |
| 15:28.40 | nacer | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 15:28.40 | nacer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.41 | xstasi | alturiak, what instead if i modify /usr/bin/something? |
| 15:28.41 | bwlang_ | I have just moved my root file system to an lvm volume... but update-initramfs doesn't seem to be starting the lvm stuff during boot |
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| 15:28.54 | Species84723414 | woops right :D |
| 15:28.55 | nacer | re |
| 15:28.57 | jwl | Species84723414: free -m might be more readable then |
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| 15:29.21 | Polleke | nacer, that looks very weird |
| 15:29.28 | Species84723414 | i try now membtest 386980K ^^ |
| 15:29.31 | pablo | hi, how can i remove knetattach? |
| 15:29.40 | nacer | Polleke, its not my plateform |
| 15:29.45 | nacer | Polleke, perhaps thereis some proxy |
| 15:29.59 | nacer | Polleke, i have try on other server its work fine |
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| 15:30.03 | alturiak | xstasi: binaries will probably just get overwritten but I'm not sure on that one :-) |
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| 15:30.05 | nacer | Polleke, tks anyway |
| 15:30.08 | Species84723414 | got following error with memtest: Allocated 396267520 bytes...trying mlock...Killed |
| 15:30.21 | xstasi | alturiak, this is bad |
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| 15:30.35 | xstasi | i'm modifying /usr/bin/mysqld_safe to make mysql run from within a chroot |
| 15:30.39 | alturiak | you might want to ask someone who *knows* it, though :-) |
| 15:31.12 | robboplus | hm how do i generate a diff file? |
| 15:31.56 | xstasi | robboplus, with diff |
| 15:32.12 | robboplus | doh |
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| 15:38.07 | pablo | hi, how can i close the 6 ttys that the system open in order to save resources? |
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| 15:38.31 | karmatronic | pablo: in /etc/iniitab |
| 15:38.45 | karmatronic | pablo: /etc/inittab |
| 15:39.05 | pablo | karmatronic: ok thx |
| 15:39.29 | karmatronic | pablo: comment the line with tty2,... but be aware tty5 is your X11 display |
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| 15:40.17 | derjohn | hi, is there currently some kind of overload at the debian ftp seveers ? |
| 15:40.20 | pablo | karmatronic: really ah ok |
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| 15:41.20 | leonardo | hi , i added cable connection to my pc, but now i use wireless, but when linux is inicializing, take a long time because i don't use cable connection, the dhcp and starting mta take long time |
| 15:41.21 | Polleke | derjohn, there was someone a few mins ago getting weird gzip errors from packages from security.debian.org |
| 15:41.31 | leonardo | how to disable this |
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| 15:42.15 | craigevil | gzip errors are usually when the servers are syncing |
| 15:42.27 | wols_ | !tell leonardo about interfaces |
| 15:42.42 | alturiak | !tell alturiak about interfaces |
| 15:42.52 | wols_ | !tell alturiak about selftell |
| 15:43.06 | pablo | karmatronic: isnt that tty7? |
| 15:43.13 | alturiak | sorry :) |
| 15:43.45 | Crusade | Hello, any1 can help me in Optimize Mysql? dunno why i have alot memory use, i dont have any db also none conection on mysql, the process current i have 80MB |
| 15:44.15 | leonardo | hi wols, didn't understand |
| 15:44.53 | wols_ | leonardo: it clearly says "man interfaces". do it and read it |
| 15:45.07 | xstasi | erm... how do i regenerate a /etc/init.d script? |
| 15:46.02 | wols_ | xstasi: which one? |
| 15:46.24 | xstasi | mysql's |
| 15:46.51 | wols_ | atry to dpkg-reconfigure. if that doesn't help /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 15:47.39 | xstasi | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install |
| 15:47.42 | xstasi | this worked :) |
| 15:47.42 | xstasi | thanks |
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| 15:48.59 | nebM0ft | Is there any DM like slim for debian? |
| 15:49.41 | cloakable | nebM0ft: slim is in debian Lenny |
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| 15:49.54 | robboplus | and is there a way to compare local dir with svn dir? to find what has changed |
| 15:50.02 | nebM0ft | cloakable: anything similar in etch? :) |
| 15:50.18 | cloakable | nebM0ft: xdm :P |
| 15:50.23 | nebM0ft | thats crap |
| 15:50.31 | dkr | robboplus: svn diff ? |
| 15:50.32 | cloakable | I know. |
| 15:51.19 | BigTuna_ | exit |
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| 15:53.33 | nebM0ft | Can renaming a *.deb pkg screw it up in any way? |
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| 15:53.57 | dkr | no |
| 15:53.59 | segfault- | nebM0ft, in the installation pprocess ? |
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| 15:54.24 | struo | Hello, what is the way to do ssh portworwarding but using 'client' instead, I wan to export local port 3306 to a remote_machine:3306 so that remote machine can use my local port, what is the way? |
| 15:54.34 | nebM0ft | segfault-: mv somepkg.deb otherpkg.deb && dpkg -i otherpkg.deb |
| 15:54.53 | nebM0ft | I just compiled the kernel and the name is huge.. |
| 15:54.56 | nebM0ft | i want to shorten it |
| 15:54.59 | nebM0ft | :) |
| 15:54.59 | segfault- | nebM0ft, very unlikely |
| 15:55.00 | karmatronic | struo: -r |
| 15:55.06 | karmatronic | struo: -R i mean |
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| 15:55.39 | karmatronic | struo: ssh -R 3306:mysql_server:3306 your_ssh_server |
| 15:55.40 | segfault- | nebM0ft, but do you know about shell completion ? |
| 15:56.12 | karmatronic | struo: will allow anyone connecting to your_ssh_server on port 3306 to reach mysql_server |
| 15:56.15 | nebM0ft | segfault-: of course, i just dont like to have huge file names in my directories.. |
| 15:56.16 | segfault- | nebM0ft, if you type the first starting letter of a file or command, it will autocomplete. |
| 15:56.23 | segfault- | nebM0ft, 'kay |
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| 15:56.33 | nebM0ft | its pretty redundent, it says linux-image like 3 times.. |
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| 15:57.36 | waltz | how can I allow only the workstations on my LAN to access telnet and ftp daemons? |
| 15:57.52 | waltz | while allowing internet access to my ssh daemons et al |
| 15:57.53 | waltz | ? |
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| 15:58.15 | nebM0ft | Anyone knows when kernel-2.6.24 will be available in the backports? |
| 15:58.16 | Akatemik | waltz: Google "linux firewall" |
| 15:58.18 | waltz | I assume edit /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny? |
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| 15:58.51 | karmatronic | waltz: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -s 192.168.2.0/24 -j ACCEPT |
| 15:58.52 | Akatemik | waltz: Linux uses iptables, which by itself is a bit tricky. I recommend shorewall |
| 15:58.52 | segfault- | nebM0ft, heh |
| 15:58.57 | waltz | :| |
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| 15:59.21 | karmatronic | waltz: to allow ftp on your local machines , providing 192.168.2.0 is your network mask |
| 15:59.39 | bkw- | Is it possible to get the cd/dvd device detected on a DP965LT(ich8) running 2.6.18-6? |
| 15:59.40 | waltz | gotchya |
| 15:59.41 | karmatronic | waltz: and the same with port 21 for telnet |
| 15:59.48 | segfault- | nebM0ft, etch 4.0r3 today .. so .. wild guesses are on the next kernel update |
| 15:59.51 | manfre | is there a way to instruct grub to use device LABELS or UUIDs after update-grub instead of it always reverting to /dev/sda# format? |
| 15:59.55 | waltz | karmatronic: you mean port 23 for telnet :P |
| 16:00.03 | karmatronic | waltz: and iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT for ssh from the web |
| 16:00.12 | karmatronic | waltz: yes :) |
| 16:00.14 | dhe-` | how is the kernel.org source called? |
| 16:00.23 | waltz | kk thanks karmatronic :) |
| 16:00.26 | segfault- | dhe-`, linux. |
| 16:00.31 | dhe-` | there was is specific name for that unpatched kernels |
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| 16:00.38 | Schiz0 | dhe-`: vanilla? |
| 16:00.46 | dhe-` | yes thanks :) |
| 16:00.51 | segfault- | vanilla and .. another specifics |
| 16:00.54 | segfault- | iirc |
| 16:01.24 | struo | karmatronic: lots of thanks :) |
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| 16:01.52 | slept | I have problems with intel 945 graphics adapter, it is displaying two lines of pixles which are wrong, they even appear on a screenshot which I find quite strange. But I am not sure how the screenshot is obtained. Now the question is for me against what I should file the bug report ... xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
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| 16:02.15 | nebM0ft | What does "standard" in taskel install? |
| 16:02.49 | segfault- | slept, reproduced on an upgraded distro ? |
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| 16:03.21 | Hydroxide | nebM0ft: everything that has a priority of standard or more important |
| 16:03.21 | slept | segfault-, yes |
| 16:03.21 | Hydroxide | nebM0ft: you can see priorities with aptitude or synaptic or apt-cache show or your favorite package frontend |
| 16:03.22 | segfault- | slept, tried a screenshot with gimp ? |
| 16:03.29 | slept | it seems to be completly random ... sometimes reboot helps sometimes it doesn't |
| 16:03.32 | segfault- | (just to be sure xorg is faulty) |
| 16:04.01 | nebM0ft | Hydroxide: i just skipped everything in taskel leaving only the base :) |
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| 16:04.10 | nebM0ft | feel much better that way |
| 16:04.11 | slept | so far I used the print key in gnome , should I get a different result with gimp ? |
| 16:04.26 | nebM0ft | slept: scrot? |
| 16:04.39 | Hydroxide | nebM0ft: standard has a lot of things that are very useful to have, but it's certainly up to you. you can always add it later with 'tasksel install standard' |
| 16:04.40 | nebM0ft | nevermind |
| 16:04.51 | nebM0ft | Hydroxide: anything in particular? |
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| 16:05.10 | Hydroxide | nebM0ft: you can see the exact list of packages it would install by 'aptitude search `tasksel --task-packages standard`' |
| 16:05.27 | nebM0ft | Hydroxide: ok thanks, will do |
| 16:05.48 | Hydroxide | nebM0ft: (some of those are installed anyway, but that can be determined by looking at the letter at the beginning of each line) |
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| 16:07.32 | nebM0ft | Hydroxide: yeah the list seems like something that a base system would need :) |
| 16:07.51 | segfault- | slept, you could get a different result yep |
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| 16:08.18 | segfault- | slept, and if you got one, then xorg is pretty much the convicted |
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| 16:08.51 | slept | segfault-, I am downloading scrot right now |
| 16:09.41 | segfault- | k |
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| 16:10.17 | Enf0rc3r | I still use the default 2.4.27-2-386 kernel, is it safe? |
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| 16:10.48 | nebM0ft | Which command changes the group of a file/dir? |
| 16:11.03 | manfre | chgrp |
| 16:11.03 | Enf0rc3r | nebM0ft: chown |
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| 16:11.16 | nebM0ft | Enf0rc3r: isn't chown only for users? |
| 16:11.19 | Enf0rc3r | yeah |
| 16:11.21 | Enf0rc3r | sorry |
| 16:11.26 | Enf0rc3r | im a bit tired |
| 16:11.33 | nebM0ft | "chown - change file owner and group |
| 16:11.36 | nebM0ft | :) |
| 16:11.44 | slept | segfault-, same result with scrot |
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| 16:12.05 | nebM0ft | slept: scrot rox :) |
| 16:12.49 | slept | how is a screenshot generated ? |
| 16:13.19 | S4nD3r_ | Id like some help to add icon to awn (avant-window-navigator) |
| 16:13.23 | dkr | by copying the current video buffer to a file |
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| 16:13.25 | nebM0ft | slept: man scrot :) |
| 16:13.58 | dkr | and usually encoding it in some image format |
| 16:14.17 | nebM0ft | Hydroxide: does taskel use the same directories as apt? |
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| 16:14.47 | dkr | if running gnome you can just push your print screen(prntscrn) key on your kb |
| 16:14.57 | slept | dkr, nebM0ft thanks |
| 16:15.00 | nebM0ft | slept: 'scrot screen.jpg' takes the full screen, and 'scrot -s screen.jpg' lets you select the area you want |
| 16:15.10 | ignu | can someone help me understand what it's saying at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing under the heading Getting the driver |
| 16:15.36 | ignu | I followed the instructions up to that point, but I don't know what the next instructions mean |
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| 16:16.29 | hoxu | !tell ignu about svn |
| 16:16.32 | Enf0rc3r | I want to setup a dialup server so people can call my landline and get patched into my adsl connection |
| 16:16.38 | ignu | I fall under the last line of instructions where it says, 'If you just have rtl8187 and you want use last rev under Debian...' |
| 16:16.40 | Enf0rc3r | how do I do that? |
| 16:17.04 | nebM0ft | Hydroxide: taskel freezes after isntalling iamerican? "Installed iamerican 100%" |
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| 16:19.37 | slept | If I don't get broken graphics in console I can be sure that its not the kernel module but the xserver-xorg-video-intel part ? Any suggestions to be sure which part is not working propperly ? |
| 16:21.40 | nebM0ft | slept: do lspci and check which video card you got and install that driver |
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| 16:21.50 | nebM0ft | and stop sleeping :) |
| 16:21.52 | grabbb | how do i connect to multiple servers on pxybnc? |
| 16:23.46 | slept | nebM0ft, no , its the right driver, the problem is that when you connect a second display to the laptop it starts breaking the graphics ( line of false, bright pixles) |
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| 16:24.22 | nebM0ft | slept: sorry not sure about that |
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| 16:24.33 | nebM0ft | try playing around with /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:24.47 | hoxu | grabbb, you google for "psybnc multiple servers" |
| 16:25.05 | karmatronic | slept: debian lacks a simple dual screen tool... |
| 16:25.15 | slept | it's a bug i am sure , I am not sure where it is ... |
| 16:25.16 | karmatronic | slept: good idea of dev btw |
| 16:25.34 | karmatronic | !dual screen |
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| 16:26.08 | Enf0rc3r | y0 |
| 16:26.14 | slept | cloning is fine for me ... 12" don't add much to 22" :) |
| 16:26.15 | Enf0rc3r | how do I set my ip to dhcp ? |
| 16:26.29 | nebM0ft | Enf0rc3r: dhclient |
| 16:26.42 | karmatronic | Enf0rc3r: man /etc/network/interfaces to do it permanent |
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| 16:27.02 | dryrot | which window manager is best for using/configuring more than one monitor attached to my computer ? |
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| 16:27.23 | karmatronic | dryrot: it s a X11 issue anyway |
| 16:27.33 | slept | dryrot, has nothing to do with that , it's the xserver who does that |
| 16:27.42 | ignu | hoxu: thx for the dpkg lead... is there a significance to the little pictures of a padlock at the ends of the lines of code at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing |
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| 16:31.18 | hoxu | ignu, uh, yes? Secure/HTTPS links? |
| 16:31.37 | ignu | ooo, thx |
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| 16:36.04 | ignu | hoxu: when it says, 'comment the line `obj-m += rtl818x-newstack/´ in file Makefile.', I'm guessing there is a textfile somewhere on my computer called Makefile that I am suposed to edit. 1) is that a correct assumption? 2) how do I find that file? |
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| 16:38.26 | Enf0rc3r | I installed Linux Logo but it doesnt work |
| 16:38.31 | Enf0rc3r | apt-get install linuxlogo |
| 16:38.35 | Enf0rc3r | it wont show |
| 16:38.39 | Enf0rc3r | and I cant find it eather |
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| 16:41.38 | dkr | Enf0rc3r: ctl-alt-f1 ? |
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| 16:42.15 | Enf0rc3r | nope |
| 16:42.21 | Enf0rc3r | it should show when server boots up |
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| 16:42.28 | dkr | oh,it is a boot splash progrqm, only shows at login prompt if you configure it that way |
| 16:42.29 | wols_ | S4nD3r: stop messaging people unasked! |
| 16:42.43 | Enf0rc3r | ModelPentium 75 - 200 |
| 16:42.43 | Enf0rc3r | Chip MHz165.96 MHz |
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| 16:43.10 | dkr | you could try bootsplash or splashy I've never bothered since I leave my systems running for months at a time |
| 16:43.22 | Enf0rc3r | Physical Memory 97% 2.07 MB66.99 MB69.06 MB |
| 16:43.28 | Enf0rc3r | its just when you login |
| 16:43.35 | Enf0rc3r | it shows a nice debian logo |
| 16:43.38 | Enf0rc3r | at command line |
| 16:43.42 | Enf0rc3r | but its not anymore |
| 16:43.55 | dkr | oh. it used to work? |
| 16:44.08 | Enf0rc3r | yeah about 2 years ago |
| 16:44.10 | Enf0rc3r | I used to use it |
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| 16:44.43 | S4nD3r | I got to install nvidia driver (NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.05-pkg1.run) worked as installation. But theres a problem... When gdm starts... the login screen disappears, and the monitor turn off alone... Does anybody know what is happening? |
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| 16:45.09 | dkr | S4nD3r: look at your xorg error log |
| 16:45.13 | nebM0ft | Which resolution looks good on a 14.1 lcd screen? 1280x800 doesnt seem to do the job. |
| 16:45.25 | Schmidt | nebM0ft, 1440x900 ? |
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| 16:45.34 | nebM0ft | hmm |
| 16:45.35 | Schmidt | WS that is |
| 16:45.40 | bolt_ | After upgrading a few packages, I can no longer type the norwegian letters æøå in xterm running bash. I can type them in xterm running irssi and in the vty's. What's up with that? |
| 16:45.41 | nebM0ft | thats not a bit to high? |
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| 16:45.49 | wols_ | nebM0ft: widescreen or 4:3? |
| 16:45.56 | nebM0ft | yeah |
| 16:46.02 | nebM0ft | widesecreen |
| 16:46.07 | wols_ | what monitor is it? |
| 16:46.15 | nebM0ft | lcd-laptop |
| 16:46.25 | wols_ | S4nD3r: ask nvidia |
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| 16:46.37 | wols_ | then what laptop is it? |
| 16:46.47 | nebM0ft | Gateway mt3707 |
| 16:46.50 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 16:46.54 | S4nD3r | this wols_ loves me !!! |
| 16:47.03 | bolt_ | wols loves everyone |
| 16:47.09 | bolt_ | he splits oceans too |
| 16:47.13 | nebM0ft | let me try what shmidt said |
| 16:48.30 | wols_ | 1280x800 |
| 16:48.32 | nebM0ft | wols_: what do you suggest? |
| 16:48.41 | Enf0rc3r | IDE Deviceshda: QUANTUM BIGFOOT_CY2160A (Capacity: 1.97 GB) |
| 16:48.45 | Enf0rc3r | damn this is old skewl |
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| 16:48.58 | Enf0rc3r | my nagios server |
| 16:49.00 | Enf0rc3r | box* |
| 16:49.03 | nebM0ft | wols_: well i put 1280x800 and its strectched horizontally :( |
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| 16:49.55 | wols_ | http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Gateway%20MT3707%20Laptop%20Computer:1994777879:page=details;_ylt=AhAyrbIt.IH3bWf_Nep7ew4ambsF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5ZW01N2htBHNlYwNiZ3NpYg-- |
| 16:50.02 | wols_ | nebM0ft: what drivers? |
| 16:50.36 | dkr | <wols_> S4nD3r: stop messaging people unasked! |
| 16:50.42 | nebM0ft | wols_: vesa |
| 16:50.45 | nebM0ft | figures.. |
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| 16:50.51 | wols_ | nebM0ft: that's the problem. use fglrx if you can |
| 16:51.01 | wols_ | if you have to use the ati/radeon you will need a modeline |
| 16:51.11 | wols_ | dkr: what about it? |
| 16:51.18 | nebM0ft | wols_: whats a modeline? |
| 16:51.34 | wols_ | !modeline |
| 16:51.35 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 16:51.35 | S4nD3r | How solve this error? Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 16:51.36 | dkr | wols_: I'm reminding him because he did it to me, too |
| 16:51.43 | nebM0ft | wols_: would you suggest using catalyst from ati.com over the fglrx from etch? |
| 16:51.54 | wols_ | nebM0ft: no I don't |
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| 16:52.17 | wols_ | if you must use another fglrx, use a sid backport |
| 16:52.39 | nebM0ft | ah |
| 16:52.53 | dkr | S4nD3r: there are some factoids in dpkg for help with nvidia |
| 16:53.10 | nebM0ft | wols_: any clue what its name is? |
| 16:53.13 | dkr | !nvidia |
| 16:53.13 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 16:53.24 | nebM0ft | *pkg name |
| 16:53.27 | wols_ | nebM0ft: name of what? |
| 16:53.35 | nebM0ft | sid backport fglrx |
| 16:53.58 | wols_ | it is fglrx like any other fglrx driver |
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| 16:54.18 | wols_ | there is no googling |
| 16:54.24 | wols_ | !tell nebM0ft about simple sid backport |
| 16:54.59 | hotwired__ | how do you purge the aptitude cache ? |
| 16:55.04 | nebM0ft | wols_: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 16:55.41 | bolt_ | After upgrading a few packages, I can no longer type the norwegian letters æøå in xterm running bash. I can type them in xterm running irssi and in the vty's. What's up with that? |
| 16:55.45 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.15 | nebM0ft | nothing :) |
| 16:56.15 | wols_ | hotwired__: which cache? |
| 16:56.16 | abrotman | hotwired__: aptitude clean |
| 16:56.32 | hotwired__ | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:57.02 | nebM0ft | wols_: problem fixed :) |
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| 16:57.14 | nebM0ft | Now I need some nice fonts installed |
| 16:58.17 | nebM0ft | wols_: do you know if etch's fglrx driver support 3D acceleration? |
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| 16:58.32 | nebM0ft | for radion M200 express |
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| 16:58.54 | nebM0ft | *Radeon Xpress 200M |
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| 17:01.41 | wols_ | of course it does |
| 17:02.01 | wols_ | if fglrx works it supports 3D |
| 17:02.05 | bolt_ | For some reason, xterm no longer allows me to type norwegian characters, nor see them in filenames. They all display as ?, and I get nothing when I try to type them. I can type them in the vty's, and I can type them in applications. How can I get them back into xterm? |
| 17:02.07 | wols_ | !msttcorefonts |
| 17:02.07 | dpkg | msttcorefonts is, like, add contrib (ask me about it) to sources and install the package. Or go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net |
| 17:02.29 | wols_ | bolt_: what X fonts and keyboard setting? |
| 17:02.39 | nebM0ft | wols_: xmoto works slow as hell |
| 17:02.48 | wols_ | nebM0ft: glxinfo |
| 17:03.25 | nebM0ft | wols_: -bash: glxinfo: command not found and its not in apt-get |
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| 17:03.58 | wols_ | installit |
| 17:04.00 | wols_ | !installit |
| 17:04.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 17:04.01 | nebM0ft | fglrx-driver-dev ? |
| 17:04.05 | bolt_ | wols_: my X font is Terminus, size 16, as it has always been. and this used to work on etch. I now run Lenny. I have that same font in irssi, so it can definately display the characters. My keyboard is set to norwegian in xorg.conf. Nothing changed there. xterm is the only thing where it suddenly doesn't work. |
| 17:04.19 | nebM0ft | wols_: how do i check which pkg owns another? |
| 17:04.29 | wols_ | !tell nebM0ft about search |
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| 17:06.19 | bolt_ | public away... in spanish! great |
| 17:07.13 | abrotman | !tell Conhe about away |
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| 17:10.24 | bolt_ | xterm seems to run in a different locale from everything else. norwegian letters show up in the vty's, opera, irssi, vim... just not xterm/bash |
| 17:10.34 | nebM0ft | wols_: can xbindkeys block keyboard input? xbindkeys' hot keys work but when i type in xterm or firefox it doesnt |
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| 17:10.44 | Yarcanox | anyone knows an alternate ftp mirror to ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 17:10.53 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 17:10.53 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 17:11.33 | Yarcanox | thanks very much |
| 17:11.37 | Yarcanox | German mirror (de) seems to be down |
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| 17:14.06 | bolt_ | Yarcanox: the norwegian one (no) has also been going down lately. try sweden (se). it's always been up |
| 17:14.38 | bolt_ | can anyone help me with my xterm problem? |
| 17:14.46 | bolt_ | or is it a bash problem... i dunno |
| 17:15.33 | wols_ | sounds a bit like a bash problem |
| 17:15.39 | wols_ | since ffox and such still work as intended |
| 17:15.46 | wols_ | e.g. no 8bit chars in bash or whatever |
| 17:16.03 | bolt_ | wols_: i use bash in the vty's though, and it works there |
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| 17:16.54 | themill | bolt_: quite possible a font problem rather than a locale problem. |
| 17:17.04 | themill | or encoding. |
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| 17:18.03 | bolt_ | themill: the font is definately not the problem. i use the same font everywhere. even in the vty's |
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| 17:20.36 | bolt_ | hm.. |
| 17:20.46 | bolt_ | the LANG variable is unset in xterm |
| 17:21.01 | bolt_ | setting it, exporting it, then launching a new xterm fixes the problem |
| 17:21.09 | bolt_ | where is the proper place to set it |
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| 17:21.14 | bolt_ | it is set in the vty's |
| 17:21.21 | bolt_ | sorry for all the enters. i know, i know. |
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| 17:22.23 | themill | bolt_: that might change the encoding (iso8859 vs unicode) which would munge characters. |
| 17:23.26 | bolt_ | themill: probably. the default encoding is probably unicode, but that screws up everything on this system. |
| 17:23.37 | bolt_ | themill: but where's the proper place to set the lang variable? |
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| 17:23.48 | bolt_ | themill: .xsession? .bashrc? |
| 17:24.08 | themill | bolt_: if you want to set it system-wide, /etc/environment |
| 17:24.11 | lymeca | So I installed the vnc4server package on sid and I'm trying to use vncviewer client to access it but it's not working. |
| 17:24.11 | themill | !locales |
| 17:24.11 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 17:24.40 | lymeca | I'm getting all these perl locale warnings |
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| 17:25.34 | bolt_ | lymeca: updating? ignore them. reconfigure locales afterwards |
| 17:25.57 | themill | !tell lymeca about doesn't work |
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| 17:27.22 | lymeca | My vnc client returns this error |
| 17:27.23 | lymeca | main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111) |
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| 17:27.38 | SlayerXP | lymeca: at a guess, I'd say the connection was refused. |
| 17:27.42 | themill | !connection refused |
| 17:27.42 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 17:31.36 | ignu | Is there any way to get debian to quit asking me to insert my CD everytime I want to add a package? Can't it get what I need from the net? |
| 17:31.49 | SlayerXP | ignu: edit your sources.list |
| 17:31.56 | lymeca | I'm fairly certain I don't have the corrent packages installed to have a fully functioning VNC server even though I have all dependencies of the vnc4server package. |
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| 17:32.51 | FiendishFish | Is the hotplugging service started automatically in debian? |
| 17:33.21 | lymeca | http://www.pastebin.ca/908656 |
| 17:33.24 | ignu | slayerXP: 1) where do I find my sources.list? and 2) What sort of editing should I do to it? (ignu means ignorant newbie) |
| 17:33.26 | lymeca | This is from my VNCserver log |
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| 17:33.49 | lymeca | ignu: It's located at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:33.50 | FiendishFish | ignu, /etc/apt/sources.lst |
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| 17:34.00 | lymeca | You need to remove the line specifying the CDROM,or just comment it out. |
| 17:34.02 | FiendishFish | ignu, Comment out the cd lines. |
| 17:34.06 | FiendishFish | lymeca, god damn you! |
| 17:34.09 | lymeca | ;-] |
| 17:34.12 | FiendishFish | You're ahead of me by like 0.1 second |
| 17:34.13 | FiendishFish | xD |
| 17:34.23 | SlayerXP | and once you've done that, run "aptitude update" |
| 17:34.36 | FiendishFish | Do you know if the hotplugging service starts automatically on Debian, because i'm trying to install my Creative zen |
| 17:34.36 | ignu | lymeca, FiendFish, SlayerXP: thanks so much :-) |
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| 17:35.07 | themill | !tell FiendishFish about automount |
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| 17:35.48 | FiendishFish | themill, Should it just appear in my /dev/ under sda? |
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| 17:36.30 | themill | FiendishFish: /dev/sd?1 (might be a or b depending on what else you've got). But yes. It should just work. |
| 17:37.14 | FiendishFish | themill, When I put it in, it doesn't appear in /dev/ and dmesg says: cat nomad.usermap >> /etc/hotplug/usb/usb.usermap ; cp nomadjukebox /etc/hotplug/usb/ ; chmod a+x /etc/hotplug/usb/nomadjukebox |
| 17:37.16 | FiendishFish | oops. |
| 17:37.17 | FiendishFish | Not that. |
| 17:37.20 | FiendishFish | usb 4-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13 |
| 17:37.20 | FiendishFish | usb 4-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:37.23 | abrotman | assuming it's a mass storage device |
| 17:38.18 | FiendishFish | Any idea what to do? |
| 17:38.21 | FiendishFish | IT tells me that in dmesg ^ |
| 17:38.31 | themill | abrotman: iirc, the creative zen is as mrs themill has one. |
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| 17:38.44 | abrotman | can we just call her mrs mill ? |
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| 17:39.01 | themill | that would be a bit weird ;) |
| 17:39.13 | FiendishFish | Any idea what to do now themill ? |
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| 17:39.49 | themill | FiendishFish: so there's nothing appeared in /dev? Try "fdisk -l" to see if you can turn it up easily. |
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| 17:40.12 | FiendishFish | When I set my zen as storage device it does, but thats for using it as storage. |
| 17:40.36 | themill | FiendishFish: But that's what you want to do.... store music files on it :) |
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| 17:40.47 | FiendishFish | No, storage is for storing OTHER things i think. |
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| 17:41.22 | FiendishFish | What fs type do I have to give the zen? |
| 17:41.23 | FiendishFish | fat? |
| 17:41.27 | themill | FiendishFish: there is some other braindead protocol for DRMd transfers to media devices, but you can just copy the music on to the zen and it works. |
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| 17:41.47 | themill | You shouldn't need to specify the fs type, auto should work that out for you. |
| 17:41.54 | FiendishFish | Not with sdb :< |
| 17:42.35 | FiendishFish | Oh it worked :D |
| 17:42.38 | webusers | Has any body bought re-certified SATA (Seagate brand) harddrives and had good luck with them? |
| 17:46.20 | abrotman | refurbed |
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| 17:46.30 | General_Tso | Hello. I'm seeing iptables logging at startup and shutdown. Does anyone know what could cause this? |
| 17:46.42 | ignu | When someone says to "comment out" lines, does that mean to just place an exclamation point (!) before the line? |
| 17:46.43 | dkr | logging what? |
| 17:46.46 | webusers | abrotman: yes |
| 17:46.53 | dkr | ignu: depends on the context |
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| 17:47.13 | susanne-- | ingu: depends on the file. -usually- it means # but sometimes it can be ; ... depends on the file. |
| 17:47.15 | abrotman | General_Tso: logging that it's loaded? or logging the dropped packets? |
| 17:47.19 | ignu | dkt: if I'm editing a text file (like the sources list) |
| 17:47.22 | dkr | ignu: # is more popular for comment lines, ! is used in certain types of files though |
| 17:47.38 | dkr | ignu: # then |
| 17:47.43 | abrotman | so is // and ; and a bazillion other things |
| 17:47.50 | General_Tso | dkr and abrotman, looks like dropped packets, let me see if I can nopaste it. |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | General_Tso: google "iptables stop console logging" |
| 17:48.28 | dkr | ignu: the man page of whatever conf file you are editing will say what the comment character is |
| 17:48.51 | abrotman | General_Tso: IIRC it's in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 17:49.14 | General_Tso | Cool, abrotman. I appreciate the help. |
| 17:49.34 | abrotman | General_Tso: if you can't find it .. ask #iptables |
| 17:49.35 | blubberdiblub | that's the usual place to configure it, yeah |
| 17:49.39 | linkslice | where does debian keep the iptables rules? |
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| 17:50.08 | wols_ | no specific place |
| 17:50.53 | FiendishFish | Where is the hotplug service located |
| 17:51.13 | abrotman | linkslice: wherever you put them |
| 17:51.16 | valdyn | FiendishFish: "service" ? |
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| 17:51.59 | linkslice | abrotman, do the debian init files look any specific place for them though? or I just drop them in /etc/rc ;) |
| 17:52.15 | ignu | dkr, susanne--: thx much |
| 17:52.26 | abrotman | there is no init script for iptables in debian .. have to make your own .. so you can have it look wherever you'd like |
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| 17:59.03 | Bronsky | hi ! |
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| 18:00.56 | sts | hello folks. i wondered if exim4 -bh 1.2.3.4 a@b.c should show me any mysql lookups which are made by exim. |
| 18:01.28 | lymeca | abrotman: I can't get my VNC client to connect to my VNC server. Both are sid. I though at first my server didn't have enough X11-related packages (even though I had all vnc4server dependencies isntalled) so I installed gdm and xfce4. My client still says connection refused. I can SSH into the server. |
| 18:01.54 | abrotman | lymeca: uh .. is the vnc port listening? |
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| 18:02.39 | themill | Do vnc3 and vnc4 use the same port? |
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| 18:02.41 | lymeca | Oh weird |
| 18:02.51 | lymeca | I had to specify :2 after the IP |
| 18:02.56 | wols_ | lymeca: netstat -anp |grep 5900 |
| 18:02.56 | lymeca | specify the X11 session I guess |
| 18:03.42 | themill | lymeca: you can run several vnc sessions on the same machine, so yes, you need to specify which one to connect to. |
| 18:04.00 | baloo | And to that, all I have to say is "Don't spammers remember when 32 million people were wrong for choosing AOL?" |
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| 18:04.25 | tralala | and "stay on topic" is all I have to say |
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| 18:07.04 | abrotman | !ot |
| 18:07.04 | dpkg | from memory, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 18:12.24 | leonardo | hi is it possible go from lenny to etch by command |
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| 18:12.38 | leonardo | or do i need to install all again |
| 18:12.38 | sepski | !downgrade |
| 18:12.39 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 18:13.01 | sepski | leonardo, install again i'd say |
| 18:13.15 | leonardo | bad thing |
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| 18:15.10 | abrotman | leonardo: what's wrong with lenny? |
| 18:16.01 | sepski | leonardo, your free to add the support for it if you want to |
| 18:16.01 | leonardo | i can't install newer version of wine |
| 18:16.02 | leonardo | many programs require etch version |
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| 18:16.34 | leonardo | i don't know why but on repo the wine version is old |
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| 18:16.52 | sepski | leonardo, use the wine deb from winehw |
| 18:16.56 | sepski | winehq |
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| 18:17.25 | leonardo | yes |
| 18:17.32 | leonardo | there say need etch |
| 18:17.36 | leonardo | to add in repo |
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| 18:17.57 | leonardo | do you see |
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| 18:18.00 | oxi | hi |
| 18:18.34 | oxi | I tried: apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk : |
| 18:18.41 | oxi | ...E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre |
| 18:18.58 | wols_ | !install java |
| 18:18.58 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
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| 18:20.04 | abrotman | oxi: amd64 or etch? |
| 18:20.12 | oxi | abrotman: etch |
| 18:20.18 | abrotman | java5 in etch |
| 18:20.43 | oxi | abrotman: is there no java6? |
| 18:21.01 | abrotman | maybe at backports.org |
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| 18:21.43 | oxi | isn't etch newer than sarge? |
| 18:21.51 | wols_ | ay |
| 18:21.53 | wols_ | it is |
| 18:22.01 | oxi | weird, I'm confused |
| 18:22.01 | wols_ | and sarge definitely has no java6 |
| 18:22.03 | dkr | yeah, it's a backport, the wiki has it. I should add a factoid |
| 18:22.32 | oxi | well, how should I continue, if I want java6? |
| 18:22.36 | dkr | http://wiki.debian.org/SunJava |
| 18:22.39 | oxi | this is my package.list: deb http://build.nine.ch/deb pub all |
| 18:22.39 | oxi | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:22.39 | oxi | deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 18:22.50 | oxi | dkr: thanks |
| 18:22.59 | dkr | !bpo |
| 18:22.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && ... |
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| 18:23.37 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | hi all I have removed some files from a full partition it should be 50% usage now..however it is still reporting as full ...anything I missed here ? |
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| 18:24.30 | cahoot | not still in .Trash or such? |
| 18:24.46 | dkr | !sunjava |
| 18:24.46 | dpkg | well, sunjava is sun java5 is in etch, sin java6 is in etch backports, see http://wiki.debian.org/SunJava for instructions |
| 18:24.58 | dkr | I can't type. :) |
| 18:25.00 | oxi | is there any drawbacks in using backports? |
| 18:25.00 | abrotman | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: what does df say ? |
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| 18:25.39 | oxi | *are there |
| 18:25.54 | Polleke | oxi, not really... |
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| 18:25.58 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | abrotman, 100% full |
| 18:26.05 | oxi | Polleke: okay, thanks |
| 18:26.08 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | but I have deleted the files and du assures that |
| 18:26.25 | Polleke | oxi, it could make your system unstable.. for whatever that means |
| 18:26.37 | themill | dpkg: sunjava is also Ask me about <install java> and <backports.org>. |
| 18:26.37 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: sync ? |
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| 18:27.04 | up365 | oxi, http://www.java.com/en/ downloaded installed on etch ,easy to follow instructions, and verify install afterwards |
| 18:27.05 | oxi | Polleke: okay, but I hope it's okay for installing java and tomcat, hope that won't make it unstable |
| 18:27.05 | abrotman | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: paste the output of `df -h` and `df -i` |
| 18:27.40 | Polleke | and perhaps `mount` |
| 18:27.48 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | abrotman, you mean execute sync ? |
| 18:27.48 | oxi | up365: what's better, using apt-get with backports or downloading from java and installing? |
| 18:27.53 | abrotman | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: yes |
| 18:27.58 | oxi | sorry, for my newb questions |
| 18:28.06 | themill | up365: yes, and a broken package management system |
| 18:28.13 | themill | oxi: use the debian sources every time. |
| 18:28.14 | tralala | laylaaaaaaaaaaa, is there any chance that you've deleted files on another partition? |
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| 18:28.25 | oxi | themill: right, thx for suggestion |
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| 18:28.28 | dkr | oxi: backports better than compiling yourself |
| 18:28.41 | oxi | dkr: alright, thx for advice |
| 18:28.51 | dkr | easier,too. :) |
| 18:28.57 | up365 | oxi, I followed instructions there installed on etch with no problems and instucts on how to make links |
| 18:29.13 | up365 | *instructs |
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| 18:29.47 | oxi | ok, I trust the backport devs, I'll try the apt'ing |
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| 18:31.41 | Miesco | I run: tightvncserver :0 (cause thats the displa my gui is on) and it says: A VNC server is already running as :0 |
| 18:32.22 | wols_ | then check what listens on port 5900/tcp |
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| 18:33.47 | themill | Miesco: I think you want x11vnc for that rather than tightvncserver |
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| 18:34.34 | Miesco | themill: Whats tightvncserver? |
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| 18:35.31 | themill | Miesco: It creates a *new* display for use with vnc rather than sharing your existing display (which is what x11vnc does). |
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| 18:37.54 | Miesco | themill: Does it create a new displa with gdm? |
| 18:38.28 | Miesco | themill: Well my computer at home has the gdm greeter right now... |
| 18:38.34 | themill | Miesco: No, tightvncserver creates a new display that has nothing in it. Maybe an xterm. |
| 18:39.18 | AwesomeGuy | Debian uses the Bourne shell, right? |
| 18:39.36 | themill | AwesomeGuy: bash by default |
| 18:39.40 | xsdg | AwesomeGuy: what do you mean by that? |
| 18:39.46 | AwesomeGuy | idk.. |
| 18:39.47 | xsdg | AwesomeGuy: the default user shell is bash, the Bourne Again shell |
| 18:39.51 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
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| 18:40.00 | aedion | gkremml |
| 18:40.01 | xsdg | AwesomeGuy: bash implements the Bourne shell, though |
| 18:40.03 | AwesomeGuy | I got a book about unix shells I was wondering wich one I had |
| 18:40.10 | xsdg | aedion: gkrellm? |
| 18:40.20 | S4nD3r | lol... Im here again !! |
| 18:40.24 | themill | xsdg: /bin/sh is also linked to bash by default although changing that to dash is on the cards, iirc. |
| 18:40.27 | aedion | aedion: yes - search this package |
| 18:40.36 | xsdg | AwesomeGuy: echo $SHELL |
| 18:40.55 | xsdg | themill: I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that bash behaved differently when invoked as /bin/sh rather than /bin/bash |
| 18:40.59 | wols_ | themill: when will that change and why? |
| 18:40.59 | AwesomeGuy | /bin/bash |
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| 18:41.43 | aedion | where can i find gkremml? i found no website and no nothing. damn small linux uses it to show load level and so on |
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| 18:41.52 | xsdg | aedion: as I said, it's gkrellm |
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| 18:41.55 | xsdg | gkrellm.net |
| 18:42.01 | abrotman | wols_: i think it's a lenny release objective that dash and bash should both work |
| 18:42.02 | themill | xsdg: I have vague memories about that too, but I'm not sure if that is still the case. |
| 18:42.10 | aedion | xsdg: oh my fault |
| 18:42.28 | xsdg | aedion: it's packaged, btw |
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| 18:43.07 | aedion | xdg: i think it's a problem for germans to hold this word in mind. we would never name anything gkrellm - that would get problems with speaking :D |
| 18:43.21 | xsdg | :o) |
| 18:43.27 | wols_ | abrotman: what's wrong with bash? |
| 18:43.37 | abrotman | wols_: it has bash-isms ? :) |
| 18:43.38 | themill | wols_: I think it's a lenny release goal. The reason is that for the startup scripts in particular, bash is a lot slower to get going on each of the thousands of shell scripts that are run. Ubuntu changed to dash a while ago and they found that startup time improved a lot (that was at the same time they changed to upstart... so people think that upstart was the saviour not dash) |
| 18:43.41 | xsdg | wols_: I would guess "it's big" |
| 18:43.43 | aedion | xsdg: thanks, works |
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| 18:44.00 | xsdg | wols_: that's one of the first things most installers get rid of |
| 18:44.16 | wols_ | true it is big |
| 18:44.52 | rdz | hi all. i am in a local network and i can access all local computers, but i cannot access computers from the internet. i assume, it's because the gateway is set wrongly (does that make sense?). how can i change the gateway? |
| 18:45.08 | abrotman | !tell rdz about interfaces |
| 18:45.09 | rdz | (i can talk to you over an ssh-tunnel to a local computer right now.. ) |
| 18:45.13 | themill | wols_: and process startup and tear down is the slowest part of starting up the machine, according to the analyses that have been done. |
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| 18:45.48 | rdz | abrotman, the strange thing is, that dns requests are resolved.. |
| 18:46.22 | xsdg | rdz: you might try posting `route -n` output somewhere |
| 18:46.25 | abrotman | rdz: is your DNS server a local network machine or not ? |
| 18:46.29 | xsdg | rdz: rafb.net/paste/, for example |
| 18:46.58 | rdz | abrotman, ooh sorry for the noise. i just found out that it's a different problem |
| 18:47.09 | abrotman | rdz: you better be sorry! |
| 18:47.27 | rdz | i actually can access the web, but not computers from another subnet |
| 18:47.36 | AwesomeGuy | ftp.debian.org is a bit laggy right now |
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| 18:48.07 | rdz | however, when i reboot, it will work.. the thing is that whenever i set eth1 (wireless) manually, i cannot access those computers.. |
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| 18:48.46 | rdz | it'd probably be still a gateway problem. i am not sure.. could be that there are two different gateways for different ranges of ip's? |
| 18:48.59 | themill | wols: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2007/07/msg00027.html |
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| 18:49.22 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: use an actual mirror .. like you're supposed to |
| 18:49.33 | AwesomeGuy | O.o |
| 18:49.42 | AwesomeGuy | I'm not getting naything I'm just looking around |
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| 18:50.36 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: are you in pittsburgh ? |
| 18:50.55 | AwesomeGuy | wtf? |
| 18:51.05 | AwesomeGuy | no pghk stands for poughkeepsie |
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| 18:51.16 | abrotman | oh .. not even close! |
| 18:51.17 | AwesomeGuy | I'm accross the hudson river from it |
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| 18:51.38 | abrotman | http://debian.ams.sunysb.edu/debian/ |
| 18:51.41 | abrotman | yay suny! |
| 18:51.48 | AwesomeGuy | it's foggy over here |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | there's also a mirror at columbia IIRC |
| 18:52.01 | rossMoHaX | what does it mean if usertime + systime = 0.6*realtime? system is in idle state |
| 18:53.28 | dkr | rossMoHaX: or running other processes during that time |
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| 18:53.47 | xsdg | rossMoHaX: that could be caused by a lot of IO wait, I believe |
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| 18:54.18 | rossMoHaX | xsdg: app do a lot of reads from disk. maybe you are right |
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| 18:54.52 | dkr | the kernel and system daemons have to use some user and sys time also |
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| 18:55.13 | debian | aptitude is being annoying |
| 18:55.32 | dkr | doubtful |
| 18:55.33 | abrotman | no .. you are! |
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| 18:57.39 | manu_hack | hi, where could I check what is the name of interface for my wireless card? |
| 18:58.36 | zinx | manu_hack: /sbin/iwconfig ? |
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| 19:00.00 | rdz | abrotman, can you have a look at this: http://rafb.net/p/YcPWcd75.html . how can i change the table to set it to the second one in the paste? |
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| 19:00.16 | rdz | !tell rdz about interfaces |
| 19:00.45 | abrotman | rdz: show us your interfaces file |
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| 19:01.36 | rdz | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/XhOwoj62.html |
| 19:02.00 | manu_hack | zinx: I'm using the rtl8187 module, however, ifconfig -a doesn't give anything for the wireless card ... |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | rdz: uh .. eth0 isn't configured .. at all |
| 19:02.45 | debian | I want these packages: compiz compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-extra libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig, aptitude refuses... |
| 19:02.45 | debian | I'm etch stable |
| 19:02.45 | debian | How to install them anyways? |
| 19:02.48 | rdz | abrotman, actually i am using eth1 |
| 19:02.52 | rdz | wireless |
| 19:02.57 | debian | And m,y ssh server stopped, how tro fix? |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | still not configured |
| 19:03.05 | debian | !ping |
| 19:03.05 | dpkg | pong |
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| 19:03.29 | rdz | abrotman, the problem i have is that it works when i boot and start nm-applet. however when i change the wifi network manually and then back again, it won't work anymore |
| 19:03.50 | shyam_k | hi i wish to see some videos from open course ware but they are available in nasty rm format..whats the best way to see them in lenny? |
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| 19:03.59 | rdz | abrotman, does it need to be configured at all, if i use nm-applet? |
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| 19:04.16 | abrotman | rdz: i don't use nm-applet .. NFC |
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| 19:04.32 | shyam_k | i have debian-multimedia enabled in the repo..and what next? |
| 19:04.33 | rdz | abrotman, fyi: this is a laptop and i change the network a lot.. |
| 19:04.38 | debian_ | Any answers for debian? |
| 19:04.43 | minus198 | Does anyone know the command for that Ascii network usage graph? |
| 19:04.51 | minus198 | I always forget the command |
| 19:05.00 | jetscreamer | ntop? |
| 19:05.00 | debian_ | Does anyone know why aptitude refuses to install compiz? |
| 19:05.08 | abrotman | debian_: coommand and error ? |
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| 19:05.26 | debian_ | abrotman: It says keep in current state, and dont install it |
| 19:05.27 | minus198 | jetscreamer, That doesn't work.. There must be something else |
| 19:05.37 | abrotman | debian_: coommand and error ? |
| 19:05.39 | debian_ | It even removed some packages |
| 19:05.56 | zinx | manu_hack: then it's probably not detected. |
| 19:06.00 | rdz | abrotman,ok.. how is nm-applet going to screw my settings? do you have recommendations for a replacement? |
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| 19:06.04 | AwesomeGuy | If I try mounting my C drive it just gives me errors |
| 19:06.16 | minus198 | AwesomeGuy, What error? |
| 19:06.18 | abrotman | rdz: i |
| 19:06.21 | rdz | abrotman, what do you recommend to do on a laptop? |
| 19:06.29 | abrotman | rdz: i'm always connecting to the same .. my networks don't change often |
| 19:06.30 | debian | command: aptitude install -f install compiz compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-extra libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig |
| 19:06.30 | debian | Leser pakkelister ... Ferdig |
| 19:06.37 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:06.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:06.38 | rdz | abrotman, mine do.. |
| 19:06.45 | AwesomeGuy | http://pastebin.com/de274136 |
| 19:06.56 | debian_ | abrotman: debian pasted the command |
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| 19:07.55 | rdz | abrotman, i'd love to do it manually (write scripts with ifconfig, iwconfig dhclient etc.) but in order to do that i need to understand how to set the gateway correctly.. (at home it just works, but here it doesn't) what is a good place to read about it? |
| 19:08.10 | abrotman | debian_: pasted where ? |
| 19:08.21 | abrotman | rdz: route add default gw <IP> |
| 19:08.32 | rdz | abrotman, thanks a lot |
| 19:08.33 | debian_ | abrotman: Above, before you told him about pastebin |
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| 19:09.15 | abrotman | debian_: it gives you a URL when you finish pasting |
| 19:09.34 | debian_ | abrotman: The command is allready pasted in the channel here... |
| 19:09.39 | AwesomeGuy | can anyone help me with mounting my windows filesystem? |
| 19:09.59 | rdz | AwesomeGuy, is it a fat32 system? |
| 19:10.07 | dkr | AwesomeGuy: only if you tell us what the error you are getting is |
| 19:10.08 | AwesomeGuy | ntfs |
| 19:10.12 | AwesomeGuy | I just did |
| 19:10.13 | abrotman | debian_: in a pastebin .. paste the command, the error, and your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy compiz |
| 19:10.14 | AwesomeGuy | http://pastebin.com/de274136 |
| 19:10.17 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 19:10.17 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 19:10.34 | debian | debian_: Is this http://pastebin.com/m3be5e50 your link? |
| 19:10.38 | debian_ | debian: Yes |
| 19:10.38 | AwesomeGuy | it's /dev/hda1 on mine |
| 19:10.44 | debian_ | abrotman: Thats it |
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| 19:10.52 | dkr | heh, usually people *start* with the "anyone" type question. :) |
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| 19:11.22 | abrotman | debian_: you're using ubuntu .. please go to #ubuntu |
| 19:11.32 | debian_ | abrotman: Why would you think so? |
| 19:11.50 | abrotman | compiz-kde: Avhenger av: libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1) men 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 er installert. |
| 19:12.11 | debian_ | See |
| 19:12.41 | hoxu | !localized errors |
| 19:12.41 | dpkg | i guess localized errors is it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else |
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| 19:12.49 | abrotman | hoxu: it doesn't matter .. it's ubuntu .. |
| 19:12.57 | azeem | it means debian_ is trying to install some Ubuntu packages on a Debian box, from that line |
| 19:13.01 | Nyle_ | hm |
| 19:13.05 | debian_ | In english: Depndency: libc6(>= 2.5-0ubuntu) but [numbers] ETCH is installed- |
| 19:13.19 | Tar-Get | hi, I have 2 folders (svn-repos) which are both owned by the groups 'subversion' and 'www-data' and each folder has its user (owner) |
| 19:13.19 | Tar-Get | both subversion users can see their own and also the other user its repository |
| 19:13.19 | Tar-Get | how can I make both users only see their own repository? |
| 19:13.20 | debian_ | I have etch not ubuntu |
| 19:13.21 | abrotman | debian_: you cannot mix different distros |
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| 19:13.40 | debian_ | abrotman: I only want compiz-fusion |
| 19:13.51 | abrotman | debian_: you cannot mix different distros |
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| 19:13.56 | Nyle | debian_: #compiz-fusion |
| 19:13.57 | hoxu | debian_, did you put ubuntu sources in sources.list? |
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| 19:14.10 | abrotman | compiz is at backports.org |
| 19:14.15 | Nyle | I have debian lenny amd64 and I use compiz-fusion successfully |
| 19:14.23 | Nyle | for etch, see compiz-fusion or bpo |
| 19:14.32 | Nyle | #compiz-fusion * |
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| 19:14.57 | debian_ | hoxu: No |
| 19:14.58 | Nyle | debian_: and do not install ubuntu packages on debian |
| 19:15.16 | Nyle | debian_: you'll end up shooting yourself in the foot |
| 19:15.16 | debian_ | Nyle: I havent, stupid aptitude wouldnt let me :P |
| 19:15.22 | Nyle | stupid? smart |
| 19:15.47 | lymeca | alsa is being silly for me. I have a Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro |
| 19:15.49 | lymeca | But when I boot up every once in a while alsa sees "VIA 8237" as my card and since I have my onboard mobo sound card disabled in BIOS no sound plays |
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| 19:16.13 | Nyle | they let me off work |
| 19:16.33 | Nyle | something about president's day |
| 19:17.09 | Nyle | you don't need it |
| 19:17.11 | Nyle | you WANT it |
| 19:17.17 | debian_ | I NEED it |
| 19:17.33 | debian | don't want it |
| 19:17.34 | hoxu | debian_, then stop lying and/or continuing the attempt of shooting yourself in the foot |
| 19:18.05 | debian_ | hoxu: When did I lie? |
| 19:18.14 | Nyle | lets not get into confrontations |
| 19:18.20 | debian | ok |
| 19:18.22 | Nyle | get back on the topic |
| 19:18.34 | Nyle | debian_: what have you done so far to your box? |
| 19:18.42 | Nyle | (concerning compiz-fusion) |
| 19:18.47 | abrotman | tried to install ubuntu packages on etch |
| 19:18.47 | AwesomeGuy | I'm trying to mount the swap partition but it sais it's an unknown filesystem O.o |
| 19:18.53 | AwesomeGuy | why can't I mount it |
| 19:18.53 | jetscreamer | you don't use apt to install .debs |
| 19:19.00 | debian_ | Nyle: I ran the posted command, but it couldnt meet dependecies. |
| 19:19.06 | jetscreamer | are you joking AwesomeGuy ? |
| 19:19.13 | AwesomeGuy | ..no.. |
| 19:19.13 | Nyle | debian_: stop right here. Remove that line from sources.list |
| 19:19.20 | Nyle | apt-get -f install if you have to |
| 19:19.23 | jetscreamer | you don't mount swap awes` |
| 19:19.27 | jetscreamer | you don't mount swap AwesomeGuy |
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| 19:19.29 | AwesomeGuy | why not |
| 19:19.34 | debian | Nyle: Where is sources.list? |
| 19:19.39 | cloakable | AwesomeGuy: You use swapon |
| 19:19.42 | Nyle | debian: /etc/apt |
| 19:19.42 | jetscreamer | no need and it's not an fs |
| 19:19.47 | Nyle | !sources.list |
| 19:19.48 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 19:19.52 | AwesomeGuy | !swap |
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| 19:19.58 | jetscreamer | well i dont' really know what swap is |
| 19:20.00 | Nyle | debian: THEN. |
| 19:20.05 | jetscreamer | i just know it's swap and you don't mount it |
| 19:20.06 | Nyle | !tell debian -about backports |
| 19:20.07 | AwesomeGuy | I'll set it as ext3 see if that works. |
| 19:20.11 | Nyle | !tell debian -about bpo |
| 19:20.16 | jetscreamer | AwesomeGuy: nonono |
| 19:20.25 | jetscreamer | it's swap :) |
| 19:20.26 | AwesomeGuy | what couldp ossibly go wrong |
| 19:20.27 | Nyle | debian: check the messages sent to you by the bot |
| 19:20.36 | jetscreamer | AwesomeGuy: just waste of time.. go for it |
| 19:20.41 | cloakable | AwesomeGuy: Use swapon, not mount |
| 19:20.55 | jetscreamer | swapon /dev/sda4 or swapon -a |
| 19:20.57 | hoxu | debian_, pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:21.01 | Nyle | debian: first, you will remove the ubuntu packages line from sources.list. Then you will add the ones for backports, then follow the directions there |
| 19:21.05 | jetscreamer | or swapon -s to see current swap |
| 19:21.06 | AwesomeGuy | I'm gonna mount it and if it messes it up I'll reinstall debian, I have nothing better to do |
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| 19:21.26 | jetscreamer | AwesomeGuy: it won't mess stuff up you just will have fun |
| 19:21.37 | debian_ | Nyle: How to remove all non wanted packages? Like all from beryl, launchpad, and ubuntu respos? |
| 19:21.45 | AwesomeGuy | heh sais it's already mounted or its busy |
| 19:21.53 | jetscreamer | swapon -a |
| 19:21.56 | jetscreamer | for a list |
| 19:21.56 | Nyle | debian_: oh boy |
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| 19:22.05 | jetscreamer | oos |
| 19:22.09 | jetscreamer | swapon -s |
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| 19:22.21 | jetscreamer | -a is like mount -a |
| 19:22.21 | AwesomeGuy | sais it's empty. |
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| 19:22.27 | Nyle | debian_: if you remember the package names, apt-get --purge remove |
| 19:22.32 | jetscreamer | ok so swapon /dev/whatever |
| 19:22.37 | debian_ | Nyle: Not really |
| 19:22.40 | jetscreamer | or swapon -a |
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| 19:23.13 | Nyle | debian_: tsk tsk tsk |
| 19:23.17 | jetscreamer | i think it's -u to turn the swap off |
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| 19:23.21 | Nyle | I'm not going to take the time to help you |
| 19:23.23 | Nyle | sorry |
| 19:23.27 | simonrvn | swapoff |
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| 19:23.38 | Nyle | but I will say this.. go do a fresh etch reinstall, come back, and i'll help you get compiz-fusion |
| 19:23.42 | debian | Nyle: Please |
| 19:23.43 | jetscreamer | debian: get a list edit it and reinstall as the bot sayis |
| 19:23.46 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 19:23.46 | dpkg | [reinstall] aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
| 19:23.49 | hoxu | Nyle, wise men know when to abandon an (impossible) task :) |
| 19:23.52 | jetscreamer | the second one |
| 19:23.56 | simonrvn | seperate command |
| 19:23.58 | Nyle | hoxu: of course :) |
| 19:24.03 | Nyle | done tech support long enough |
| 19:24.04 | Nyle | :) |
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| 19:24.21 | hoxu | debian_, see what abrotman told you few times before, you can't mix distros. You can't mix distros. Duh! |
| 19:24.32 | abrotman | debian_: you cannot mix different distros |
| 19:24.37 | debian | Can I remove all packages and then get new ones? |
| 19:24.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: so then I guess it will crap out when it can't find the ubuntu packages in debian repos |
| 19:24.42 | hoxu | abrotman, :P |
| 19:24.45 | bolt | My laptop hard-locks when playing games! Everything from xoids to Starcraft in wine makes it lock up. Strange thing is it doesn't seem to lock up *while* playing the games, it locks up 1-5 minutes *afterwards*! How the heck should I start debugging this? I run the stock 2.6.22 kernel, the xserver-xorg-video-i810 driver for the i830 graphics card and alsa for the Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 audio card. It does *not* crash while doing regular |
| 19:24.45 | bolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.47 | Nyle | jetscreamer: we'll know what to do, but will he? |
| 19:24.49 | jetscreamer | i've tried taking an ubuntu install and just changing sources to debian... doesn't work all the way. |
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| 19:25.08 | jetscreamer | locales and a couple others just wouldn't go away |
| 19:25.11 | jim_p | hi |
| 19:25.18 | debian | jetscreamer: What should I do? |
| 19:25.26 | Nyle | reinstall. |
| 19:25.30 | debian | oO |
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| 19:25.35 | hoxu | bolt, made sure your cooling is good enough for starters? |
| 19:25.35 | jetscreamer | debian: what you want to do. if debian is the goal, get a netinst |
| 19:25.35 | Nyle | and don't EVER mix distros again |
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| 19:25.46 | AwesomeGuy | http://ftp.gnome.org/conspiracy/ lol |
| 19:25.59 | jetscreamer | debian: or you could try hacking on the reinstall list maybe |
| 19:26.00 | debian | Will I loose my 80gb encrypted disk? It is luks and I cannot remember the password? |
| 19:26.06 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 19:26.09 | bolt | hoxu: it is. it's definately cool enough. I can compile a kernel for an hour or run glxgears overnight with no problem |
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| 19:26.28 | jetscreamer | no idea, probably... you can just live with the ubuntu packages being stuck if you can't get rid of them |
| 19:26.34 | jetscreamer | for a while at least |
| 19:26.38 | borbus | What's the best place to mount a partition full of data for all users? |
| 19:26.45 | hoxu | bolt, you can't ssh remotely in or anything? Is it just after using wine? |
| 19:26.50 | debian | borbus: Home? |
| 19:26.53 | jetscreamer | /mnt? /media/? |
| 19:27.14 | oxi | is it possible to install tomcat6 with apt? |
| 19:27.14 | borbus | You mean just in /home or in a home dir? |
| 19:27.19 | oxi | on Etch |
| 19:27.21 | jim_p | borbus: in /mnt/something thtough fstab |
| 19:27.26 | debian | borbus: Anywhere |
| 19:27.27 | jetscreamer | a dir under home gets messy looking |
| 19:27.40 | borbus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.45 | bolt | hoxu: it's completely locked. no ssh, no ctrl+alt+f1, no nothing. it's not only after using wine, but after playing most linux games as well, like the mentioned xoids (asteroids clone) |
| 19:27.48 | jetscreamer | under /media/whatever is usual |
| 19:27.53 | debian | borbus: Make the folder /user-data/ |
| 19:28.02 | jetscreamer | it used to be /mnt/whatever |
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| 19:28.06 | jetscreamer | either will function |
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| 19:28.21 | vasco | hello |
| 19:28.28 | debian | jetscreamer: How can I recover my luks password before I reinstall? |
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| 19:28.51 | borbus | When I say data for all users I mean just general data but not specific to one user, that's why I didn't think putting it in /home was right |
| 19:29.02 | borbus | And putting stuff on / is technically wrong |
| 19:29.06 | hoxu | bolt, could it be something with graphics card drivers, nvidia/ati/...? |
| 19:29.08 | jetscreamer | debian: crack it i guess... burteforce it. or back up the data to an unencrypted disk |
| 19:29.13 | debian | borbus: Just make one with suitabole name. |
| 19:29.14 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 19:29.28 | hoxu | bolt, /mnt/data, there, decided ;P |
| 19:29.38 | bolt | hoxu: I run the stock 2.6.22 kernel, the xserver-xorg-video-i810 driver for the i830 graphics card and alsa for the Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 audio card |
| 19:29.45 | bolt | hoxu: ? |
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| 19:29.48 | debian | jetscreamer: It is a 33 sipher password containg letters upper and lowerr, signs, numbers... |
| 19:29.49 | oxi | how can I search if tomcat6 is available with apt? (...using backports)..? |
| 19:29.56 | hoxu | borbus, /mnt/data, there, decided ;P |
| 19:30.02 | simonrvn | you should have that 30 character alphanumeric password memorized |
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| 19:30.05 | borbus | But /mnt is meant for temporary mounts |
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| 19:30.13 | borbus | Isn't it a bit bad to put stuff there |
| 19:30.14 | jetscreamer | debian: then you better get started it will take a loooong time... |
| 19:30.18 | borbus | Because any user can mount there |
| 19:30.19 | hoxu | bolt, sorry, wrong target... I'm assuming nothing was in system logs? |
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| 19:30.31 | bolt | hoxu: nothing at all |
| 19:30.36 | jetscreamer | debian: back the data up to another hd |
| 19:30.39 | debian | simonrvn: I thought I'd never need to reinstall/reboot |
| 19:30.45 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 19:30.49 | AwesomeGuy | I tried uploading something to ftp.debian.org and it said permission denied >:( |
| 19:30.57 | vasco | how can i download the kernel source with apt-geT? |
| 19:31.05 | hoxu | borbus, hum, users can't mount there, unless /etc/fstab or some other thingy explicitly allows them to, and even then they can't just mount anywhere there |
| 19:31.10 | jetscreamer | AwesomeGuy: ok so you're not authorized |
| 19:31.11 | vasco | i don t have any src in /usr/src |
| 19:31.27 | jetscreamer | vasco: you should, but just mkdir /usr/src |
| 19:31.41 | AwesomeGuy | I wanted to put up a page that redirects to a shock site called debian.html, people would probably click it and it would be hillarious |
| 19:31.43 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 19:31.46 | borbus | So it is pretty safe to mount permenantly at /mnt? |
| 19:31.50 | debian | Is it dangerous to flash bios? |
| 19:31.52 | jetscreamer | vasco: you have to untar the source |
| 19:32.03 | mutante | vasco: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 19:32.05 | bolt | hoxu: i assume that if it was an actual hardware error it would lock up *while* playing, not a seemingly random time afterwards, so i think it has something to do with drivers. i've tried the i810 drivers from stable, testing and unstable, though, all with the same result |
| 19:32.10 | jetscreamer | vasco: tar xvjf linux-source-whatever.bz2 |
| 19:32.15 | vasco | jetscreamer, ls /usr/src return nothing |
| 19:32.19 | hoxu | borbus, yep, nothing magical about it, some people might fancy mounting elsewhere but bleh |
| 19:32.28 | jetscreamer | vasco: ok you have to install it first |
| 19:32.31 | jetscreamer | of d/l it |
| 19:32.32 | lymeca | What is the Debian version of /etc/modprobe.conf? |
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| 19:32.40 | simonrvn | AwesomeGuy: moron |
| 19:32.45 | jetscreamer | it's /etc/modprobe.conf iirc |
| 19:33.10 | borbus | hoxu, yeah I know there's nothing magical, I just thought it might be in the hierarchy standard for a reason |
| 19:33.19 | lymeca | jetscreamer: I don't have that file |
| 19:33.20 | lymeca | hmm |
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| 19:33.28 | AwesomeGuy | your a moron >:( |
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| 19:33.32 | vasco | i used apt-get install linux-source-2.-.18 |
| 19:33.37 | vasco | it s installing right now |
| 19:33.48 | pumpkin0 | debian: if you flash the wrong file => dead motherboard. power lost during flash => dead motherboard. system crash during flash => dead motherboard. unless you have a good motherboard with several BIOSs. |
| 19:34.02 | jetscreamer | err modules.conf |
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| 19:34.04 | debian_ | Should I use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 19:34.12 | jetscreamer | yes you should debian |
| 19:34.17 | simonrvn | AwesomeGuy: what are you, 12? |
| 19:34.20 | hoxu | borbus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - feel free to make your pick ;) |
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| 19:34.28 | mutante | lymeca: maybe something inside /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 19:34.35 | debian_ | jetscreamer: Can you be less spesific? |
| 19:34.41 | AwesomeGuy | 13 moron. |
| 19:34.49 | thebanana | hi folks, i'm wondering if anyone's using alternatives to nfs for purely linux networks - any success stories? |
| 19:34.56 | PaulTT | simonrvn: ooo he told you |
| 19:35.14 | simonrvn | oooh, i'm sooo scared *SNORE* |
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| 19:35.17 | pumpkin0 | debian_: aptitude is OK for most people. apt-get tends to leave more junk in the system. But stick to one, do not switch to often. |
| 19:35.29 | jetscreamer | hey wasn't there a modules.conf ? wtf! |
| 19:35.30 | amphi | Nyle: lo! a moron for you |
| 19:35.38 | simonrvn | AwesomeGuy: go eat your lunch in the caf already |
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| 19:35.45 | debian_ | pumpkin0: I just switched... And I have junk ubuntu packages installed... |
| 19:35.52 | AwesomeGuy | no school today for presidents weekend. |
| 19:35.54 | susanne-- | he can't, his mommy forgot to give him milk money. |
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| 19:36.14 | pumpkin0 | debian_: apt-get ist better at sorting out these problems. |
| 19:36.17 | buffdaemon | what package do i have to install for the "system" command ??? |
| 19:36.27 | jetscreamer | i can't remember if i'm going to be 46 or 47 this week |
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| 19:36.30 | jetscreamer | 47 i think |
| 19:36.34 | AwesomeGuy | losers |
| 19:36.37 | vasco | a light file explorer can i have a name? |
| 19:36.43 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: do you have a debian question? |
| 19:36.47 | jetscreamer | vasco: i like xfe |
| 19:36.50 | debian_ | pumpkin0: Can it automagicaly remove packages for other distros? |
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| 19:36.55 | simonrvn | obviously not |
| 19:36.55 | dkr | vasco: mc |
| 19:36.56 | AwesomeGuy | I did before |
| 19:36.59 | vasco | lol mc |
| 19:37.00 | jetscreamer | vasco: another is rox-filer iirc |
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| 19:37.05 | hoxu | jetscreamer, ha! I bet you aren't even midway through the manpages ;) |
| 19:37.05 | jetscreamer | mc is nice in console |
| 19:37.15 | vasco | jetscreamer, thank you i m tchecking |
| 19:37.20 | buffdaemon | what package do i have to install for the "system" command ??? |
| 19:37.21 | vasco | dkr, thank you |
| 19:37.35 | madroach | Hi! Is anyone here using the kvm etch-backport? I'm wondering how to create the /dev/kvm device file. |
| 19:37.37 | jetscreamer | hoxu: not even 1% |
| 19:38.09 | pumpkin0 | debian_: no, but it does not produce further problems by trying to keep the system clean. |
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| 19:38.09 | amphi | mc is the only one I've bothered with |
| 19:38.09 | thebanana | what distributed fs couples nicely with nis/ldap? |
| 19:38.09 | debian_ | pumpkin0: It made me install ubuntu stuff |
| 19:38.13 | hoxu | jetscreamer, sounds like you are cheating with your $PAGER's '/' command :P |
| 19:38.20 | pumpkin0 | debian_: onyl because you told you to do it. |
| 19:38.56 | debian_ | pumpkin0: It is the compilators fault |
| 19:39.11 | jetscreamer | always blame the admin |
| 19:39.29 | simonrvn | debian_: no, this one's layer 8 |
| 19:39.38 | hoxu | !blame debian_ |
| 19:39.47 | pumpkin0 | debian_: you have to activly change the /etc/apt/sources... file to get anything from outside the debian world. |
| 19:39.48 | debian_ | simonrvn: tplbtck? |
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| 19:40.02 | simonrvn | debian_: pebkac |
| 19:40.04 | madroach | or maybe someone could look up the major/minor device numbers of his /dev/kvm? |
| 19:40.13 | debian_ | pumpkin0: The truecrypt did it for it self |
| 19:40.32 | hoxu | pumpkin0, just ignore the troll, he was told everything he needed to know already |
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| 19:40.53 | pumpkin0 | hoxu: long time troll under a new name ? |
| 19:41.16 | debian_ | pumpkin0: What other name have I used? |
| 19:41.19 | debian_ | hoxu: ditto |
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| 19:41.32 | simonrvn | @wb themill |
| 19:41.32 | ravenbird | Welcome back themill, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 19:41.48 | themill | Hi Simon! |
| 19:41.51 | simonrvn | heh, appropriate too ;) |
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| 19:42.53 | vasco | arf i DL the src but i can t compile |
| 19:43.04 | jetscreamer | vasco: did you unpack it? |
| 19:43.28 | jetscreamer | ah where's that howto |
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| 19:43.33 | vasco | it can t find stdio.h |
| 19:43.40 | azeem | !installit |
| 19:43.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 19:43.41 | vasco | yes i untar it |
| 19:44.08 | simonrvn | newbiedoc.sf.net IIRC |
| 19:44.30 | vasco | it can t find my header file |
| 19:44.37 | vasco | the common header file like stdio.h |
| 19:44.49 | themill | vasco: libc6-dev. (apt-file is your friend) |
| 19:44.50 | azeem | vasco: because it's not installed, maybe? |
| 19:45.00 | jetscreamer | vasco: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 19:45.09 | vasco | yeah probably libc6-dev then |
| 19:45.13 | vasco | tryin |
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| 19:46.25 | simonrvn | @kernel compile etch is <reply>http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 19:46.26 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 19:47.06 | magyar | hi, is there a /etc/rc.local in debian? |
| 19:47.14 | vasco | yes it works with the libc6 |
| 19:47.24 | Jason_23 | hi all ;=) |
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| 19:48.18 | vasco | nice it works |
| 19:48.23 | vasco | thank you all |
| 19:48.50 | jetscreamer | yes magyar |
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| 19:49.03 | jetscreamer | not sure about etch though |
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| 19:50.13 | leonardo | could someone update wine version in the repositories |
| 19:50.23 | debian_ | I want an ssh adress I can remember, howto? |
| 19:50.35 | jetscreamer | j/k leonardo |
| 19:50.58 | jetscreamer | check your bash history maybe debian |
| 19:51.00 | pumpkin0 | debian_: dyndns.org |
| 19:51.06 | leonardo | i can't chat on english channel |
| 19:51.08 | leonardo | why |
| 19:51.22 | jetscreamer | leonardo: i was kidding! i know you speak english! |
| 19:51.31 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 19:51.47 | leonardo | bad english but ok |
| 19:51.49 | leonardo | hehehe |
| 19:51.54 | debian_ | pumpkin0: Can I use it from command line without compuling or instaling ubuntu software? |
| 19:51.57 | jetscreamer | better than my portuguese... |
| 19:52.06 | leonardo | maybe |
| 19:52.06 | dkr | don't worry,his english is bad, too. :) |
| 19:52.09 | jetscreamer | much better than my spanish and i know a little spanish |
| 19:52.13 | pumpkin0 | debian_: that is a website, not a program. |
| 19:52.38 | debian_ | pumpkin0: but it contains software? |
| 19:52.43 | dkr | there is a debian package to interface with the website though |
| 19:52.46 | Kiirani | Morning |
| 19:52.48 | leonardo | but a boring question: why wine is not the new version in repositories |
| 19:53.04 | jetscreamer | that's debian for you |
| 19:53.06 | dkr | dyndns-client |
| 19:53.12 | jetscreamer | seriously |
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| 19:53.28 | simonrvn | leonardo: winehq.org they have recent etch packages |
| 19:53.30 | azeem | leonardo: which version do you want it to be? |
| 19:53.34 | debian_ | dkr: Do I have to register? |
| 19:53.42 | dkr | debian_: yes, for free |
| 19:53.57 | jetscreamer | ssh!=dyndns |
| 19:54.05 | leonardo | but is etch version |
| 19:54.05 | jetscreamer | long as you know |
| 19:54.09 | leonardo | i have lenny |
| 19:54.09 | pumpkin0 | leonardo: debian likes stable and reliable and bug-free software. If we know a packages works pretty well, has no security problems ... |
| 19:54.16 | leonardo | i'll not have problems |
| 19:54.17 | leonardo | ? |
| 19:54.30 | leonardo | ha understood |
| 19:54.40 | jetscreamer | with the winehq package? we don't know |
| 19:54.43 | simonrvn | leonardo: works ok on sid, it'll work ok on lenny |
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| 19:54.49 | leonardo | so will need to see if has no security problem to update to last version |
| 19:54.50 | jetscreamer | ah ok nm |
| 19:54.54 | jetscreamer | 'we' know |
| 19:54.58 | simonrvn | *i* know |
| 19:55.02 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:55.20 | leonardo | so take time |
| 19:55.23 | leonardo | right? |
| 19:55.26 | jetscreamer | man i tried to set up wine one.... not very hard, but... |
| 19:55.27 | Kiirani | Problem with wine of course is it's never really stable or bug free and you need the latest version to run anything reliably |
| 19:55.31 | simonrvn | leonardo: the debian stuff will override it if the version is higher |
| 19:55.32 | jetscreamer | s/one/once/ |
| 19:55.46 | zinx | Kiirani: not the latest version.. you need a specific version depending on which specific thing you want to run |
| 19:55.59 | simonrvn | anyway, enough blah blah, i gtg |
| 19:55.59 | leonardo | ok |
| 19:56.08 | leonardo | i'll let debian version of wine |
| 19:56.20 | leonardo | until a new version is updated in repositories |
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| 19:56.28 | Kiirani | Hmm. That's true. I've a tendency to stick with whatever the latest is and pray my stuff works, but I only run games in it. I've been having better results keeping up to date though |
| 19:56.35 | jetscreamer | leonardo: that will be a while if you're running stable |
| 19:56.49 | leonardo | i'm on lenny |
| 19:56.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:56.54 | dkr | maybe wine should go in volatile :D |
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| 19:57.09 | leonardo | same thing for lenny? |
| 19:57.15 | leonardo | will take time? |
| 19:57.24 | jetscreamer | no lenny updates a lot |
| 19:57.31 | pumpkin0 | leonardo: no lenny gets updates. But it will take time. |
| 19:57.32 | jetscreamer | no telling how long but a lot quicker than etch :) |
| 19:57.37 | themill | !why is wine not in testing |
| 19:57.37 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
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| 19:57.47 | jetscreamer | is wine not in testing? |
| 19:57.57 | themill | not the most recent version |
| 19:57.58 | azeem | an old version is |
| 19:58.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:58.04 | dkr | jetscreamer: that tells why specific version is not |
| 19:58.58 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
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| 19:59.51 | darius12 | do initramfs-tools support kdump? or is there any documentation/howto on kdump automation in debian? |
| 20:00.33 | booray | is there a reason I can't resolve zen.spamhaus.org today? |
| 20:01.07 | booray | oh, duh |
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| 20:01.45 | dondelelcaro | darius12: they don't, but it will work if you install one of the lkcd patches and dumputils. |
| 20:03.00 | darius12 | dondelcaro: I 'm interested in kdump, which is in the mainline kernel |
| 20:03.40 | darius12 | and I shouldn't need dumputils since "dumping" is just something like cp /proc/vmcore /var/crash |
| 20:04.53 | EldKatt | I'm running lenny amd64 on a Zepto laptop, and I can't get the sound (Realtek ALC268) working. Tried compiling Realtek's drivers, as well as adding "options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba" or "...model=acer" to /etc/modprobe.d/sound and /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base as suggested in various forums. I got it working earlier (without compiling any drivers, though I don't remember what exactly I did), using lenny with Gnome, but ye |
| 20:04.53 | EldKatt | sterday I made a fresh install with Xfce and now I can't get it to work. There might be something I did last time that I'm just forgetting; or else there's something else that's going wrong. The only difference I can think of right away is Xfce. Does it treat sound differently from Gnome? |
| 20:05.06 | EldKatt | Apologies for the long message. |
| 20:05.11 | darius12 | I was just wondering if the necessary scripts that do a "dump then reboot" from the initramfs exist in debian |
| 20:05.29 | pumpkin0 | EldKatt: the default volume is 0. Did you check that ? |
| 20:06.10 | EldKatt | pumpkin0, if that would show up in xfce4-mixer, then yes. Or is there some other volume I'm missing? |
| 20:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: sound-device == kernel - the windows manager has nothing to do with it |
| 20:06.33 | darius12 | but since you say there is no support, I guess I 'll have to figure it out myself |
| 20:06.49 | darius12 | thanks anyway :-) |
| 20:07.03 | debian_ | ddclient says: cannot find ip adress, how to make it fix my auto ip? |
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| 20:07.11 | pumpkin0 | EldKatt: open a player (like xmms) and play something. Does it work (seconds ticking away) or is there a error-msg ? |
| 20:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: does the kernel module load? what does it say? how did you test sound working/not? |
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| 20:07.52 | jetscreamer | darius12: fyi, he would know. hth. |
| 20:08.12 | jetscreamer | EldKatt: got alsa-utils ? |
| 20:08.26 | jetscreamer | if not your levels may be being reset to 0 |
| 20:08.28 | versuchsanstalt | pumpkin0: cat anything >/dev/_sounddevice_ ? |
| 20:09.08 | EldKatt | pumpkin0, ticking, no sound. |
| 20:09.24 | pumpkin0 | EldKatt: OK, installed alse or oss ? |
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| 20:09.56 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, not sure how to answer your first question. Tested with xfmedia and speaker-test. |
| 20:10.02 | dondelelcaro | darius12: kexec-tools may have the right stuff for that support, but I haven't personally tested it. |
| 20:10.16 | EldKatt | jetscreamer, yes. |
| 20:10.28 | darius12 | dondelelcaro: you are right in that |
| 20:10.36 | dondelelcaro | darius12: almost everything additional that initramfs would do is done by adding other packages which install hooks. |
| 20:10.56 | darius12 | ah, right |
| 20:10.56 | EldKatt | pumpkin0, not sure what you mean? |
| 20:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: cat some.wav >/dev/dsp (or /dev/<your alsa device>) is more appropriate - for testing you want to have as few layers as possible |
| 20:11.47 | pumpkin0 | EldKatt: there are 2 different sound system layers: oss and alsa. Did you pick one or did it just install something ? |
| 20:11.48 | flokuehn | hi. i recently installed an debian etch on my machine. i connected my ipod via usb and now it seems the ipod crashed. i cant do anything to it. any suggestions what i could do ? |
| 20:12.04 | darius12 | dondelelcaro: nope, kexec-tools doesn't seem to install any initramfs-tools hooks |
| 20:12.27 | EldKatt | pumpkin0, can't say I made a conscious choice, but alsa. |
| 20:12.31 | darius12 | but I could do that myself I guess :-) |
| 20:13.05 | pumpkin0 | EldKatt: do you have a file named /dev/dsp ? |
| 20:14.02 | EldKatt | pumpkin0, yes, but it's empty. |
| 20:14.28 | pumpkin0 | EldKatt: (don't open it). cat something into it like CutMeOwnThroat said, |
| 20:14.30 | Eulex | it's a device file, it's not supposed to be readable by normal ways, Firekittie |
| 20:14.45 | AwesomeGuy | how do I unmount hda1? I tryed umount but it sais it's busy |
| 20:15.13 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, you'll need to make sure that no application has any file open on it and that no application has a current directory that is on it |
| 20:15.14 | jetscreamer | lsof|grep -i hda ? |
| 20:15.21 | cizzi | AwesomeGuy - boot from another fs |
| 20:15.41 | AwesomeGuy | heh i had a terminal in it |
| 20:15.47 | AwesomeGuy | k ty |
| 20:15.53 | jetscreamer | or lsof|grep -i mountpoint |
| 20:16.25 | EldKatt | pumpkin0 etc, not familiar with cat, sorry |
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| 20:17.23 | pumpkin0 | El_Guillermo: as root: "cat any-large-file > /dev/dsp" and listen. |
| 20:17.30 | pumpkin0 | EldKatt: ^^ |
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| 20:18.44 | AwesomeGuy | when i mount my windows drive it sais I don't have permission to change any of it's contents wtf |
| 20:18.59 | jetscreamer | !tell AwesomeGuy -about ntfsro |
| 20:19.05 | jetscreamer | !tell AwesomeGuy -about ntfs-3g |
| 20:19.32 | craigevil | apt-get remove --purge windows :) |
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| 20:19.40 | EldKatt | pumpkin0 / CutMeOwnThroat, cat into /dev/dsp gives no result |
| 20:19.44 | AwesomeGuy | I already put it in /etc/fstab like dpkg said to |
| 20:19.59 | abrotman | that was RO |
| 20:20.01 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 20:20.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:20.06 | wols_ | AwesomeGuy: paste your fstab line for it |
| 20:20.08 | jetscreamer | paste the line |
| 20:20.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: what does "no result" no sound, or an error message? |
| 20:20.28 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry, no sound. Waits a while, then quits. |
| 20:20.29 | AwesomeGuy | /dev/hda1 /mnt/drv3_vol1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 |
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| 20:20.46 | jetscreamer | you need ntfs-3g to write |
| 20:20.57 | AwesomeGuy | ok.. |
| 20:21.07 | jetscreamer | ntfs is just for ro.. it 'says' it writes, but don't try this at home |
| 20:21.19 | jetscreamer | or only try it at home, not at work... |
| 20:21.32 | AwesomeGuy | I have windows and debian dualbooting |
| 20:21.38 | jetscreamer | me 3 |
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| 20:21.57 | AwesomeGuy | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' |
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| 20:22.08 | jetscreamer | install it |
| 20:22.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: sounds as if it's working - would give an error if the module was not loaded... check if it's muted with... alsamixer (if you use alsa) ... dunno what the oss mixer would be |
| 20:22.21 | jetscreamer | !info ntfs-36 |
| 20:22.24 | jetscreamer | err |
| 20:22.26 | jetscreamer | !info ntfs-3g |
| 20:22.30 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.2129-2 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 20:22.31 | SamuraiDio | HI |
| 20:22.35 | flokuehn | hi. i know this is maybe offtopic but i didngt get any help in other debian channel so maybe you can help me. i installed an debian etch system yesterday. today i wanted to reload the battery of my ipod (80gb) and connected it via usb and didnt mount it. after disconnecting i cant do anything to the ipod. it seems as if it crashes. does anybody have any suggestions what to do? |
| 20:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: hehe... so at home it works, only at work it's bad? :) |
| 20:23.05 | peppe | flokuehn: does it work in itunes under macosx? |
| 20:23.06 | jetscreamer | CutMeOwnThroat: more like you don't want to get fired for hosing the fs |
| 20:23.09 | SamuraiDio | is there a 'how to' make a i686 chroot under my amd64 installation? |
| 20:23.16 | peppe | SamuraiDio: yes |
| 20:23.30 | flokuehn | peppe: i dont have any macosx machine. but i does not work too under win |
| 20:23.45 | AwesomeGuy | how do I recompile the kernel? |
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| 20:24.22 | peppe | flokuehn: oh sorry, ok, under win |
| 20:24.40 | peppe | flokuehn: huh, that's weird. did you try an hard reset of the ipod? (look at apple docs) |
| 20:24.48 | jetscreamer | @kernel compile etch |
| 20:24.49 | ravenbird | http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 20:24.55 | jetscreamer | AwesomeGuy: ^^ |
| 20:25.07 | flokuehn | peppe: no i didnt until now. but it seems to be only solution to me too. |
| 20:25.23 | SamuraiDio | ... |
| 20:25.26 | SamuraiDio | :s |
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| 20:25.35 | jetscreamer | + |
| 20:25.43 | SamuraiDio | peppe, will you send me an url? |
| 20:25.46 | peppe | flokuehn: but did you use your ipod under linux? with amarok or other programs... |
| 20:26.16 | jetscreamer | him say: did it ever work? |
| 20:26.45 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, alsamixer shows Master and PCM sliders, both nice non-zero volumes. |
| 20:26.56 | flokuehn | peppe: no i just connected it via usb |
| 20:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: look for "MM" == mute |
| 20:27.14 | peppe | SamuraiDio: google for it, I think there are lots of howtos |
| 20:27.50 | peppe | flokuehn: that it's pretty strange since ipod uses its own protocol, so it doesn't get automagically mounted or so. have you tried an hard reset? |
| 20:28.11 | flokuehn | peppe: ok i hard reset it |
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| 20:28.13 | SamuraiDio | yes, but i prefer the ones that dpkg links here |
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| 20:28.26 | flokuehn | puhh now it works again |
| 20:28.28 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, nothing like that visible. However, "m" key does not seem to be doing anything, which I assume it should. |
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| 20:28.41 | flokuehn | peppe: thank you for the tip with hard reset |
| 20:29.07 | xai | Anyone know how to get cups to authenticate from a md5 Digest for admin? |
| 20:29.17 | flokuehn | peppe: but do you have any idea what i can do to prevent this happening again ? |
| 20:29.27 | xai | I can't even set the password on etch, lppasswd gives permission denied. |
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| 20:29.38 | xai | cups is such a disaster. |
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| 20:29.59 | peppe | flokuehn: keep in mind the hard reset procedure :)) |
| 20:30.10 | peppe | and don't forget it :P |
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| 20:30.31 | peppe | SamuraiDio: dunno which howto dpkg knows. http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html ? |
| 20:30.43 | peppe | (how can I search in dpkg's factoids?) |
| 20:31.00 | gonzaloaf_work | hello, I have a server with a CPU Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz and 4G of RAM, what kernel do I have to use tiwh it? |
| 20:31.04 | gonzaloaf_work | with* |
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| 20:31.47 | SamuraiDio | !test |
| 20:31.47 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:31.48 | Tramp | !tell peppe about factoids |
| 20:31.56 | peppe | gonzaloaf_work: do you use a 32bit or a 64 bit system? |
| 20:32.02 | SamuraiDio | !tell peppe about amd64 |
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| 20:32.11 | SamuraiDio | peppe, the link you send me is there |
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| 20:32.39 | peppe | SamuraiDio: ok, now I know the right factoid. thanks :P |
| 20:32.42 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_work: -686 or -amd64 , depending |
| 20:32.43 | SPF | hi, I have trouble with grub (error 2). I have no hda hdb hdc hdd, only hde and hdf (in raid 1). I tried to install grub using hd0,0 and hd4,0 but it doesnt work (results always in error 2) root=/dev/hde1 vmlinuz and imitrd files exist and match those in menu.lst |
| 20:33.11 | SamuraiDio | hehe |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: -686 |
| 20:33.23 | afrosheen | hi, real quick question...I installed some stuff via apt-get, broke the permissions on it, then when I apt-get removed it and reinstalled it, the conf files are missing and won't reappear..any ideas? |
| 20:33.29 | nicholas_ | Hi everyone, I'm trying to setup OSSIM (Open Source Security Information Management) on a Dell Poweredge downstairs, dont have much experience with Debian and theirs no one in the ossim support chan, I get this error: "/build/buildd/cdebconf-0.114/src/debconf.c:135 (main) Cannot initialize debconf template database. Anyone have any ideas what this is or how i can fix it? |
| 20:33.40 | jetscreamer | you might want grub-install hd0, not hd0,0, but i know nothing about raid, SPF |
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| 20:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: yes... m key should toggle it - the MM should be below the sliders |
| 20:34.37 | SPF | jetscreamer: it's grub-install /dev/hdxx right? not hd0? |
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| 20:34.39 | jetscreamer | SPF: you can also do it grub-install /dev/hda .. or hda4... |
| 20:34.50 | jetscreamer | SPF: depends if you want it in the mbr or not |
| 20:34.51 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, peppe, jetscreamer: http://pastebin.ca/908927 |
| 20:35.07 | jetscreamer | SPF: mbr would be hd0, partition would be hd0,0 |
| 20:35.12 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: i just told you |
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| 20:35.23 | SPF | jetscreamer: I know, but I dont have hda b c or d |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: so did jetscreamer |
| 20:35.24 | jetscreamer | either functions... but like i said i know nothing of raid so ymmv |
| 20:35.29 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, ok... so could m not working be a clue as to the problem, or should I ignroe that? |
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| 20:35.33 | bertvdp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.38 | jetscreamer | SPF: so just use hde |
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| 20:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: if that's not it, the only thing left to do is unload the kernel module (rmmod <module name>), reload it (modprobe <module name>) and check for any error messages/warnings coming up (dmesg |tail -30) if that doesn't give a hint, I don't know |
| 20:35.58 | jetscreamer | SPF: you might look at /boot/grub/device.map and check it |
| 20:36.09 | SPF | jetscreamer: I tried grub-install /dev/hde every time, always resulted in error 2 |
| 20:36.27 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, but there is a bigmem kernel too |
| 20:36.32 | abrotman | or use that |
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| 20:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: dunno, it could just mean that the device cannot be muted (which is a bit funny, never seen that for a normal sound device) |
| 20:36.41 | jetscreamer | SPF: must be something to do with the raid then that i'm not qualified to help with |
| 20:37.10 | jetscreamer | i thought bigmem was for >4g |
| 20:37.21 | AwesomeGuy | people say hackingi s only possible on linux but I've seen people do it on windows before. |
| 20:37.27 | AwesomeGuy | like then etbios thing |
| 20:37.31 | AwesomeGuy | * netbios |
| 20:37.44 | gonzaloaf_work | I have 4G of RAM |
| 20:37.50 | jetscreamer | > |
| 20:38.18 | jetscreamer | i think the regular ones do <=4g |
| 20:38.22 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 20:38.25 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, ok... and can you give me a clue as to what kernel module we're talking about? My lack of know-how is catching up. |
| 20:38.35 | peppe | jetscreamer: bigmem is for 4-64 gb |
| 20:38.35 | jetscreamer | lsmod|grep snd_ |
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| 20:38.56 | eth01 | . |
| 20:39.01 | jetscreamer | buddy! |
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| 20:39.03 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 20:39.08 | eth01 | hiya |
| 20:39.32 | eth01 | do you do this everytime i join? :p |
| 20:39.44 | jetscreamer | no just when i see you are active |
| 20:39.49 | eth01 | oic |
| 20:39.55 | eth01 | why?! |
| 20:39.58 | jetscreamer | it's not automated |
| 20:40.09 | afrosheen | I already tried using apt-get clean then reinstalling the package but the configuration files are still MIA |
| 20:40.17 | jetscreamer | because i'm an elephant and i never forget :/ which is a pita |
| 20:40.17 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 20:40.17 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 20:40.38 | afrosheen | thanks \amethyst |
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| 20:40.42 | jetscreamer | afrosheen: apt-get clean just cleans out your cache of .debs |
| 20:40.52 | flokuehn | peppe: sorry for late answer but i had to reboot. i will keep it in my mind for sure |
| 20:40.57 | jetscreamer | afrosheen: you wanted apt-get remove --purge |
| 20:41.02 | flokuehn | peppe: thank you for the hint. |
| 20:41.27 | Nihilist_Ner1 | I've been trying to install an NVidia driver so that I can play 3D games, but I couldn't find it in my repository. The install failed. It couldn't find the right kernel interface, looked on the site, still couldn't find it, tried to compile it, realised that i had gcc 4.1 not gcc 4.2 and whined, I said not to abort and then it failed to do something to a source tree. Here is the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log file: http://pastebin.com/m64a88a9d. Th |
| 20:41.32 | afrosheen | thanks jetscreamer. I'm a debian noob but not entirely retarded with linux. |
| 20:41.38 | bolt | What is the "nice" way of writing lines to /var/log/messages from a cron script run by root at regular intervals? can I just send output to it using "foo >> /var/log/messages" or is there a better way? |
| 20:41.48 | jetscreamer | !tell Nihilist_Ner1 -about nvrun |
| 20:42.00 | nicholas_ | Nevermind, a reboot & retry seems to have fixed it. Gave a good day everyone. |
| 20:42.07 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: Thanks. |
| 20:42.23 | jetscreamer | afrosheen: didn't mean to imply that you were |
| 20:42.31 | jetscreamer | just --purge takes the conffiles |
| 20:42.36 | afrosheen | jetscreamer, you didn't at all, just throwing that out there :) |
| 20:42.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:43.14 | peppe | bolt: not at all. you have to use syslog properly |
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| 20:44.18 | jetscreamer | eth01: 'maybe' it's my way of saying 'i'm not as bad as i seemed on first impression' but i'm not sure |
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| 20:46.19 | Tramp | bolt: man logger |
| 20:46.20 | themill | jetscreamer: how does that nvrun factoid fit with the "nvidia installer breaks package management and eats your children" advice that is normally given here in #d? |
| 20:46.56 | \amethyst | bolt: man logger |
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| 20:46.59 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:47.11 | \amethyst | Tramp: you suck :) |
| 20:47.21 | Tramp | \amethyst: I know 8) |
| 20:47.24 | eth01 | something more people should do ;) |
| 20:47.25 | jetscreamer | themill: it doesn't. doesn't fit, and doesn't bork. |
| 20:47.25 | \amethyst | Tramp: more likely, I suck :) |
| 20:47.27 | eth01 | RTFM! |
| 20:47.34 | kelt | hahaha... |
| 20:47.56 | jetscreamer | themill: i forgot the 'xorg breaks nvidia installer' disclaimer, thanks :) |
| 20:48.01 | \amethyst | bolt: look in your syslog configuration to determine which priority/tag combinations go to /var/log/messages |
| 20:48.21 | bolt | \amethyst: will do. thanks |
| 20:48.22 | kelt | 15:51 <kelt> exit |
| 20:48.22 | kelt | 15:51 <dpkg> /quit you fool! |
| 20:48.23 | \amethyst | err, priority/facility |
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| 20:48.32 | themill | jetscreamer: yeah... watch out for xorg upgrades etc. |
| 20:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.46 | kelt | hilarous... whoever did that |
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| 20:49.13 | afrosheen | by the way, which would you guys recommend, ViewCVS/ViewVC or Horde-based Chora? |
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| 20:49.37 | tralala | exit |
| 20:49.38 | jetscreamer | sung to the tune of 'the government totally sucks' |
| 20:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: check with lsmod |grep snd_ as suggested by jetscreamer... |
| 20:49.48 | jetscreamer | it would fit well |
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| 20:55.48 | andresj | hello, for packaging an svn snapshot of a program, what name should the .orig.tar.gz have? blender_2.45...? |
| 20:56.01 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, unloaded and reloaded module, dmesg doesn't show anything new. Seems like I'm stuck, but thanks very much for the help so far. |
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| 20:56.31 | xai | Anyone have a cupsd.conf file that allows a Digest type user (passwd.md5) to control printing from http? |
| 20:56.56 | efaistos | any idea why when trying to rsync a directory with an external hd it copies everything from start ? I used rsync -avz option |
| 20:56.57 | xai | the etch version is really different from my old version so of cups. |
| 20:57.31 | EldKatt | and this is something I ought to research myself, but is it theoretically possible for something to be confused about oss/alsa, like trying to use oss when it should use alsa? Or is it just me being paranoid/confused about that? |
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| 20:58.21 | blazer11 | should i have any prob installing etch on 2tb volume? its hang on last part of install 132 0f 132 3ware 9650, using the 3ware debian image, this installed worked fine on identical server besides harddrive config was different |
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| 21:00.02 | efaistos | nobody ? |
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| 21:01.16 | CarlFK | trying to get transcode source from www.debian-multimedia.org experimental and get dependency for transcode: libfaad-dev |
| 21:01.24 | CarlFK | where can I get that? |
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| 21:02.04 | jetscreamer | MIGHT BE ON MARILLAT'S NOT SURE |
| 21:02.07 | jetscreamer | oosps |
| 21:02.15 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 21:02.15 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 21:02.18 | bolt | O.o |
| 21:03.12 | \amethyst | CarlFK: it's in sid and lenny |
| 21:03.20 | bolt | efaistos: try the size only option. if that works, try with time as well, then with checksums and whatnot |
| 21:03.52 | bolt | efaistos: rsync syncs everything it thinks is different |
| 21:04.01 | jetscreamer | disclaimer added |
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| 21:04.16 | CarlFK | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 21:05.26 | bolt | hm.. |
| 21:06.07 | bolt | running xoids for 2 hours straight in a 2 player duel with no keyboard input (just leaving it there to debug my graphics driver) caused it to quit, saying "Segmentation Fault" |
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| 21:06.21 | bolt | would that be a xoids error or the graphics driver fucking up again? |
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| 21:11.07 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscream: Sorry to be a fool, but I pasted a load of trash into the command from the website you gave me a link to - please can I have the link again? |
| 21:11.21 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: Sorry, forget that. I found it. |
| 21:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: alsa should emulate oss sound, I think the snd-pcm-oss module does that - that enables you to use /dev/dsp (which is the oss shound device) while using alsa |
| 21:12.26 | jetscreamer | glad i added that stuff |
| 21:12.27 | rjent | greetings, wanting advice for best offline install options? |
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| 21:12.44 | efaistos | bolt: i think it comes fro the -a option because it's a fat partition where i try to copy |
| 21:12.53 | jetscreamer | d/l the dvd iso to hd and use it for install medium. no need to burn one. |
| 21:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe I typed "shound" |
| 21:13.12 | EldKatt | I see. |
| 21:13.27 | jetscreamer | no need to burn multiples rather.. you need to boot the installer somehow though |
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| 21:14.55 | jetscreamer | memstick works |
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| 21:16.56 | rjent | jetscreamer: ok. thx |
| 21:17.02 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: Thanks very much - with a bit of modification the the command, I succeeded. Good fun, too. |
| 21:17.16 | jetscreamer | np |
| 21:17.18 | Tramp | efaistos: man rsync, check the --modify-window option, see if it helps |
| 21:17.45 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: note that xorg updates break it (don't know if you saw that i just added it) |
| 21:18.12 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Thanks |
| 21:18.38 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Hmm, my games are still a little slow. Shall I try giving them a different priority with gnome-system-monitor? |
| 21:18.52 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 21:19.02 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Oh, by the way, I have a good spec computer - 2gb RAM, AMD 5000+ X2 et al |
| 21:19.06 | jetscreamer | i get a few more fps in linux than win |
| 21:19.09 | efaistos | Tramp: i reformated the external hd in xfs ;) |
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| 21:19.14 | Nihilist_Ner1 | thought the graphics card is an NVidia 7300 |
| 21:19.45 | Tramp | efaistos: good idea |
| 21:20.03 | Nihilist_Ner1 | OpenSUSE and ubuntu are faster than Debian for games for me. |
| 21:20.37 | Nihilist_Ner1 | though now it's at least running supertuxkart acceptably... wait, it's not. |
| 21:20.37 | jetscreamer | i did suse10.. die yast die i said.. hope they made it better |
| 21:20.38 | Nihilist_Ner1 | hmm |
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| 21:20.48 | Nostahl | what is the archive manager command to open it from terminal? |
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| 21:21.20 | jetscreamer | there may or may not be a conflict with running compiz and gaming... not sure i've seen stuff that may suggest it. all i know. |
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| 21:21.31 | Nihilist_Ner1 | gzip, bzip, gunzip, bunzip... |
| 21:21.44 | Nihilist_Ner1 | well, they're some command line utilitis. |
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| 21:21.51 | efaistos | Tramp: and just put some samba share on it ;) |
| 21:21.51 | jetscreamer | then there's tweaking the xorg.conf... enabling fastwrites and sideband addressing... o/c'ing the gpu... |
| 21:21.52 | Nostahl | whats the actual utility |
| 21:22.01 | Nostahl | the gui for it |
| 21:22.05 | CarlFK | can I /msg dpkg to ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> or do I have do it in the channel? |
| 21:22.10 | efaistos | bacuse have to share files between OSX and debian |
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| 21:22.11 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 21:22.12 | efaistos | boxes |
| 21:22.14 | jetscreamer | just /msg |
| 21:22.21 | Nihilist_Ner1 | ark? |
| 21:22.24 | cmdln | Im having problems getting pam_mount to pass the password on when mounting volumes. |
| 21:22.28 | Nihilist_Ner1 | maybe? for kde? |
| 21:22.41 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, any idea of how I could go on here? Like, places to ask? I seem to have reached a dead end. Frustrating, since I actually got it to work not long ago. |
| 21:22.42 | jetscreamer | CarlFK: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch |
| 21:22.47 | CarlFK | I did. it ignroed me... Ill try rephrasing my qeustion.. |
| 21:22.54 | CarlFK | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 21:22.56 | jetscreamer | file-roller |
| 21:23.00 | CarlFK | msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch |
| 21:23.02 | CarlFK | doh |
| 21:23.09 | CarlFK | there we go. |
| 21:23.10 | jetscreamer | i like file-roller better than ark |
| 21:23.31 | cmdln | using volume user cifs serverip share /home/user/share user=user,uid=user - - in pam_mount.conf I get cifs_mount failed return code =-13 in syslog, but if I specify the password it works. volume user cifs serverip share /home/user/share user=user,password=pass,uid=user - - |
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| 21:23.36 | cmdln | Any ideas? |
| 21:23.49 | jetscreamer | EldKatt: did anybody ask you if that user is in the audio group? |
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| 21:24.15 | jetscreamer | !alsa checklist |
| 21:24.16 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 21:25.10 | Karamon | I have a client that wants to be able to transfer large files over HTTP for clients that don't know how to operate a FTP client, is there a FOSS way to handle this elegantly? |
| 21:25.32 | EldKatt | jetscreamer, no, I was unaware of that. Will go through that checklist, looks very interesting. Thanks! |
| 21:25.32 | cmdln | Karamon: apache? |
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| 21:25.59 | Karamon | cmdln: Can apache restart broken uploads, or be instructed to? |
| 21:26.07 | cmdln | uploads? |
| 21:26.12 | cmdln | not to my knowledge |
| 21:26.28 | blubberdiblub | sury, it can. it supports range requests |
| 21:26.29 | Karamon | cmdln: Maybe I should rephrase, I need FTP functionality with a HTTP user interface.. is this possible? |
| 21:26.32 | blubberdiblub | sure even |
| 21:26.47 | cmdln | Karamon: webdav maybe |
| 21:26.51 | devicenull | is there a list of servers anywhere that I can use for sources.list? |
| 21:26.53 | cmdln | then they need a webdav client i think |
| 21:26.55 | jetscreamer | a webshell |
| 21:27.31 | cmdln | FTP isnt hard. write a screenshot tutorial with filezilla and have your client give that to customers |
| 21:27.52 | Karamon | cmdln: Sounds nice, but customers are always right, this is what they want. |
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| 21:28.19 | gourmand | cmdln: have you added "@include common-pammount" to your /etc/pam.d/{login,gdm} ? |
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| 21:28.48 | ubd | hello |
| 21:28.58 | Karamon | blubberdiblub: Do you know of any open source solution to this problem that may be already enacted? Its hard for me to believe that no one else hasn't thought of this.. |
| 21:29.02 | cmdln | Being that you cannot control what his customers have on their client machines you cant gaurentee anything wont have configuration. regarless if you used ftp or webdav .... btw if they cant get over using IE have them do ftp://username:password@ftphost |
| 21:29.06 | cmdln | that would work in IE |
| 21:29.13 | cmdln | gourmand: I did |
| 21:29.18 | ubd | i want to setup a ftp server |
| 21:29.35 | ubd | i am newbie can u recommend some programs |
| 21:29.46 | cmdln | ubd pureftpd |
| 21:29.54 | blubberdiblub | Karamon: i am sorry .. i was thinking of downloads not of uploads. i misread your question |
| 21:30.01 | abrotman | ubd: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 21:30.13 | ubd | ok which of them are for newbies |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | ubd: vsftpd or proftpd |
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| 21:30.30 | jetscreamer | Karamon: a web based file manager |
| 21:30.32 | ubd | which one abrotman |
| 21:30.38 | abrotman | either should be fine |
| 21:30.38 | Karamon | jetscreamer: Exactly |
| 21:30.53 | jetscreamer | Karamon: the one my host provides you just click 'upload' and 'browse' |
| 21:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: #alsa? |
| 21:31.07 | jetscreamer | it's called webshell, made by p-soft |
| 21:31.11 | Karamon | jetscreamer: Do you mainly deal with smaller files, or have you tried uploading a ~100MB file? |
| 21:31.14 | jetscreamer | there are bound to be many others |
| 21:31.28 | Karamon | jetscreamer: I have thought the same, and done many google searches with little fruitfulness |
| 21:31.41 | ubd | abrotman i installed vsftp how do i run / configureit do you know |
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| 21:31.44 | jetscreamer | Karamon: it really runs over ftp, it's just a web interface... and we have a limit on the size of http uploads.. none with ftp |
| 21:31.55 | EldKatt | CutMeOwnThroat, I tried, and was firmly told that it was a distro problem, not an alsa problem. Maybe I was unlucky, though. |
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| 21:32.24 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Thanks, I now have my games working at a semi-acceptable speed, but there is still lag. What can I do? Shall I play with nice numbers? Which processes should I make nastier? |
| 21:32.33 | cmdln | gourmand: any other ideas? |
| 21:32.38 | Nihilist_Ner1 | That was aimed at jetscreamer, by the way. |
| 21:32.45 | jetscreamer | Karamon: any moron can use webshell (like me) |
| 21:32.54 | abrotman | ubd: look at the config file |
| 21:33.05 | felix_da_catz | So is it possible to load only one package from a certain repository. |
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| 21:33.15 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: not sure, i don't nice games, never needed to. tweak configs is about all i'm good for |
| 21:33.38 | cmdln | gourmand: actually i only added it to gdm under pam.d .... and when i login it asks me to reenter my password for pam_mount |
| 21:33.54 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Well, what would be obvious solutions? bearin mind that my games run okay in OpenSUSE and Ubuntu... that gives me an idea, shall I take some from my installations fo those? |
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| 21:33.56 | cmdln | so it appears pam_mount is getting the password .... just not using it? |
| 21:34.04 | bolt | leaving xoids on in two player mode segfaults after about an hour. how can I tell if that's xoids' fault or something else? |
| 21:34.10 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: if it was me, seriously, i'd jack around with trying to get debian to work better, since debian IS >*, but after a while i'd start getting tired of it and run whatever works best for me |
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| 21:34.30 | Karamon | jetscreamer: I assume webshell is the name of a product? |
| 21:34.39 | jetscreamer | it's called webshell, made by p-soft |
| 21:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | EldKatt: hm... perhaps someone else in here has some more suggestions.. |
| 21:34.53 | Linuturk | main contrib extra are the standard base repos, right? |
| 21:34.59 | jetscreamer | lemme try my google-fu |
| 21:35.13 | jetscreamer | i've already been to the psoft site though.. different-fu |
| 21:35.22 | CarlFK | how do I ask dpkg about libjpeg-dev ? |
| 21:35.22 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: I can't see that working - http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=e521+linux&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 21:35.33 | blubberdiblub | Nihilist_Ner1: which xorg gfx card driver are your currently using? what does "grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf" give? nvidia, nv, vesa? nv and vesa are bound to give you inferior performance with opengl based games ... |
| 21:35.35 | Nihilist_Ner1 | My computer, an E521, HATES Linux. |
| 21:35.36 | EldKatt | repost question? |
| 21:35.36 | gourmand | cmdln: i use pam_mount for the encrypted /home so i can help if your case is cifs-specific. but i recall that i had to edit common-pammount too. |
| 21:35.54 | jetscreamer | Karamon: http://www.google.com/linux?q=web+based+file+manager+ftp&restrict=linux |
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| 21:36.06 | x86-eax | can anyone explain how this is happening |
| 21:36.07 | gourmand | cmdln: /can/can't/ |
| 21:36.07 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Do I use a pastebin for four lines of code? |
| 21:36.08 | x86-eax | http://www.networksecurityarchive.org/html/Vuln-Dev/2008-01/msg00347.html |
| 21:36.10 | x86-eax | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.13 | x86-eax | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.29 | Nihilist_Ner1 | http://pastebin.com/d17d2d655 |
| 21:36.57 | blubberdiblub | nvidia .. that would be correct, tho |
| 21:37.01 | jetscreamer | yes Nihilist_Ner1 |
| 21:37.11 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Okay, see above. |
| 21:37.16 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Cheers. |
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| 21:37.35 | gourmand | cmdln: changed from "optional" to "required" |
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| 21:37.45 | cmdln | gourmand: ill give that a shot |
| 21:37.56 | cmdln | gourmand: on bouth auth and session |
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| 21:38.05 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: cheers2u2 http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf |
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| 21:38.37 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: :-), are you saying I can just copy and paste that?! |
| 21:38.42 | jetscreamer | nonon |
| 21:38.49 | Nihilist_Ner1 | ah |
| 21:38.49 | jetscreamer | just a cribsheet |
| 21:39.18 | jetscreamer | some if not most you probably can copy/paste Nihilist_Ner1 |
| 21:39.26 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 21:39.27 | dpkg | it has been said that hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 21:39.35 | Nihilist_Ner1 | !cribsheet |
| 21:39.41 | jetscreamer | cheatsheet |
| 21:40.08 | Nihilist_Ner1 | What does 'cribsheet' mean? |
| 21:40.08 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Ah, cheers. |
| 21:40.16 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: Ah good. I'll make a backup, yeah? |
| 21:40.22 | blazer11 | did anyone have thoughts to my question above? |
| 21:40.39 | jetscreamer | i always apt-get install read-edid, for the monitors, but no idea if it really helps |
| 21:41.10 | blubberdiblub | Nihilist_Ner1: http://pastebin.ca/909029 <- that's my conf. i don't have very good hardware and didn't really tweak nvidia's setting. still i have quite good 3d graphics performance |
| 21:41.51 | jetscreamer | blazer11: i know there are kernel modules that enable those (>=2tb?) volumes, but that's all i know |
| 21:41.57 | EldKatt | ok, gone through alsa checklist, all correct, still no sound |
| 21:42.31 | felix_da_catz | Why is debian still on clamav 0.90.1? |
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| 21:42.48 | jetscreamer | proably because it's etch |
| 21:43.02 | Fabio_Como | from which configuration files are taken the devices I get typing "iwconfig" ? thanks |
| 21:43.04 | blazer11 | jetscreamer, do you think this is why it hangs on last part of install, how can i enable some sort of debug on install? |
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| 21:43.23 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: I don't think copying and pasting this would be a good idea. Most of it is pretty inappropriate for my system. |
| 21:43.27 | jetscreamer | blazer11: that's really all i know, and i don't even know enough to guess |
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| 21:43.36 | x86-eax | every gdb session for any user no matter what you are debugging every time you press enter 3 times 100+ pages of overflowing characters happen. |
| 21:43.47 | Nihilist_Ner1 | Though... ooh] |
| 21:43.57 | HaMMiE_ | hola buenas |
| 21:43.58 | eldowan | Can someone help me get my time in order? tzconfig shows the correct TZ, but My system is not showing the correct time. I'm UTC -6hr, and my system is showing UTC -12Hr. I think the bios is set to the local time, and the system is showing -6Hr from that. hwclock doesn't work. Any help would be lovely |
| 21:43.58 | Nihilist_Ner1 | A lot of modules in this chetsheet, but of what? |
| 21:43.59 | peppe | Fabio_Como: no config file, it lists the available wireless interfaces |
| 21:44.02 | HaMMiE_ | visteis al debugg ??? |
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| 21:44.13 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: ok. but the nvidia section is all that really matters for tweaking |
| 21:44.15 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 21:44.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:44.27 | jetscreamer | o !br para portuguese |
| 21:44.41 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscramer: ah ok |
| 21:44.45 | infernix | i have a dual xeon E5420 system that seemingly performs at 25% of its capabilities. in order to test this, I need some benchmark tool that can bench either CPU, RAM or both, that's preferably multithreaded due to the 8 cores. does anyone have a suggestion? |
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| 21:45.54 | Fabio_Como | peppe: i tryed to use ndiswrapper, that installed 2 devices.. but they seeemed not to work, so i tryed to compile a kernel module and I executed #make install and now I see it with modprobe -l, the problem is that when I execute iwconfig i continue to see the devices created by "ndiswrapper" and not the ones created by the kernel module.. |
| 21:46.05 | Karamon | jetscreamer: Thanks, digging through |
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| 21:46.10 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: the is not Section "NVidia" |
| 21:46.29 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.09/README/appendix-b.html |
| 21:46.38 | Nihilist_Ner1 | cheers |
| 21:46.44 | peppe | Fabio_Como: uninstall ndiswrapper and remove it modules first |
| 21:46.56 | abrotman | felix_da_catz: maybe check the volatile.debian.net |
| 21:47.15 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: Section "Device" with the Identifier"6600gt" |
| 21:47.21 | Fabio_Como | peppe: i already apt-get removed ndiswrapper-common -utils, but if i execute modprobe -l i still see its module... |
| 21:47.27 | peppe | Fabio_Como: rmmod |
| 21:47.33 | jetscreamer | at the top |
| 21:47.48 | torrr | hi |
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| 21:48.13 | Fabio_Como | $ sudo modprobe -l | grep ndisw |
| 21:48.20 | torrr | did someone ban torrrgggg? |
| 21:48.33 | Fabio_Como | -> /lib/modules/2.6.17-12-generic/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko |
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| 21:48.57 | ubd | i have read the manual of vsftpd but i didnt understand hot to create a user nor how to select folders. does anyone use vsftpd |
| 21:48.57 | Fabio_Como | sudo rmmod ndiswrapper |
| 21:48.57 | Fabio_Como | ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 21:49.02 | azeem | torrr: why do you think so? |
| 21:49.37 | torrr | azeem, I tried to connect as torrrrgggg and I got that message that I am banned |
| 21:49.42 | azeem | torrr: there's a ban on the uid "opera" |
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| 21:50.06 | RyanRyan52 | Today I was trying to test some new code, and when I tried to run virtualbox it crashed: |
| 21:50.09 | RyanRyan52 | ryan52@frederick:~$ virtualbox |
| 21:50.12 | RyanRyan52 | /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: undefined symbol: stat64 |
| 21:50.13 | Spee_Der | eldowan, anyone helping with the time problem ? |
| 21:50.19 | Fabio_Como | peppe, is it ok: sudo rmmod ndiswrapper |
| 21:50.20 | RyanRyan52 | what should I do ? |
| 21:50.21 | eldowan | Spee_Der: nope |
| 21:50.26 | peppe | Fabio_Como: modprobe -l shows *all* matching modules, man modprobe |
| 21:50.41 | Spee_Der | eldowan, open synaptic and search for ntp. add it |
| 21:50.56 | Fabio_Como | peppe: mmm yes, but why when I execute "iwconfig" i still see the devices created by ndiswrapper? |
| 21:51.05 | Spee_Der | eldowan, once you have added ntp program, right click your clock icon and set preferences. |
| 21:51.06 | torrr | azeem, ah, I indeed used opera |
| 21:51.15 | peppe | Fabio_Como: maybe there are other modules still around |
| 21:51.17 | torrr | azeem, why is it banned? it is a nice client |
| 21:51.21 | eldowan | Spee_Der: I'm running over ssh right now |
| 21:51.35 | azeem | torrr: not opera the client, opera the uid |
| 21:51.39 | peppe | infernix: why do you say that you're running at 25%? did you see already some MPI / ACE / ... benchmark test suite? |
| 21:51.47 | Spee_Der | eldowan, I do not know ssh, yet. |
| 21:51.47 | azeem | or 22:48 -!- 146 - #debian: ban *!?=opera@* [by sagan.freenode.net, 414197 secs ago] |
| 21:51.55 | azeem | or whatever that is called |
| 21:52.06 | eldowan | Spee_Der: ssh is just running on the command line. I just don't have access to GUI |
| 21:52.23 | Spee_Der | eldowan, ok. then apt-get install ntp |
| 21:52.23 | infernix | peppe: x264 test benchmark. on my overclocked Q6600 at 3ghz, i get 150FPS. on this two quadcore E5420 at 2.5GHz, i get 55fps. Remove one cpu from it, i get 52FPS. |
| 21:52.56 | torrr | azeem, i don't know if my uid was opera :S my user name wasnt |
| 21:53.02 | infernix | unless quadcore xeons are *really* that different, something is very wrong with that picture |
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| 21:53.38 | infernix | and if they really are that different in performance, they suck so bad that it'd be scandalous. but i can't believe any of that, and i've no idea what's wrong with the box |
| 21:53.45 | eldowan | Spee_Der: installed. |
| 21:53.50 | Fabio_Como | peppe: lsmod | grep ndis -> gives no results.., I just see with lsmod the "rt73" and "rt73usb" modules that are the ones i just compiled |
| 21:54.12 | Spee_Der | eldowan, ok. I'm not sure how to set time from command line, yet. I'm working on that. |
| 21:54.32 | Spee_Der | eldowan, but the system requires ntp to sync your clock to known source. |
| 21:54.38 | peppe | Fabio_Como: unload and reload them too |
| 21:54.46 | Fabio_Como | ok |
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| 21:56.49 | Spee_Der | eldowan, in a terminal window use man date and see of that does the trick for you. It should. |
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| 21:57.14 | spee | my nick is getting highlighted every time for Spee_Der ! |
| 21:57.14 | spee | haha |
| 21:57.18 | spee | thats funny, Spee_Der |
| 21:57.28 | Spee_Der | spee, sorry. |
| 21:57.29 | Fabio_Como | -> /sbin/depmod -a |
| 21:57.29 | Fabio_Como | *** Update /etc/modprobe.d/ralink alias for wlan* |
| 21:57.29 | Fabio_Como | *** Install firmware in /lib/firmware ... |
| 21:57.29 | Fabio_Como | *** Check old config ... |
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| 21:57.41 | spee | i made up the word spee as a name for a ferret where did you get the word spee from Spee_Der |
| 21:57.47 | Spee_Der | spee, I've had this nick for many years. |
| 21:57.51 | spee | pff |
| 21:57.57 | ubd | q |
| 21:58.10 | Spee_Der | spee, I am a race nut. I love racing LARGE trucks or anything else that moves. |
| 21:58.22 | Fabio_Como | peppe: on this line, what means the "*" at the end of wlan* ?: *** Update /etc/modprobe.d/ralink alias for wlan* |
| 21:58.30 | Spee_Der | eldowan, did that help please ? |
| 21:58.55 | dvs | large trucks? |
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| 21:59.27 | Spee_Der | Yeh. My truck weighs in at 100,000 most of the time. |
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| 21:59.49 | Spee_Der | Empty it weighs only 47,500 lbs. |
| 21:59.56 | peppe | Fabio_Como: any character? 0, 1, 2... |
| 22:00.10 | Fabio_Como | yes i supposed it too |
| 22:00.25 | Fabio_Como | it means that on the same device are mapped wlan0,1,2 and so on? |
| 22:00.38 | Fabio_Como | i thought there is 1to1 relationship |
| 22:00.39 | Fabio_Como | ehhe |
| 22:00.44 | spee | PISS |
| 22:00.51 | Spee_Der | I did |
| 22:01.20 | eldowan | Spee_Der: when I use date the time change is only good until reboot |
| 22:01.42 | Spee_Der | eldowan, that is the best I can do for now. Sorry. |
| 22:01.44 | eldowan | Spee_Der: date -u shows the local time as UTC. I need date -u to show UTC time. |
| 22:01.51 | eldowan | Spee_Der: No worries, thanks for the help. :D |
| 22:01.55 | Spee_Der | Ok |
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| 22:02.04 | Spee_Der | I'll keep digging tho. |
| 22:02.42 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: it means that when you try to bring up wlan0, wlan1 or whatever, it will automatically insert (modprobe) the ralink module. well, that's a guess ... you'd have to look at the corresponding file in /etc/modprobe.d/ to be sure ;) |
| 22:02.48 | Spee_Der | eldowan, see if you have hwclock. This will I think allow you to set time properly. |
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| 22:03.11 | Fabio_Como | $ cat ralink |
| 22:03.11 | Fabio_Como | alias wlan* rt73 |
| 22:03.21 | eldowan | Spee_Der: This is the only return I get trying hwclock: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 22:03.46 | blubberdiblub | yeah, exactly. it will use the rt73 module then for any interface named wlan* |
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| 22:04.09 | Spee_Der | eldowan, Ok. Again, use the man command, man hwclock to finger it out. |
| 22:04.10 | Fabio_Como | well.. however i still get the same problem that I got with ndiswrapper.. the wlan usb card get on.. but when it scans, doesn't found anything even if the router is few meters far.. |
| 22:04.13 | hughw | hi all. Is there a command-line FTP client that allows me to recursively upload a whole bunch of directories and files in one go? |
| 22:04.13 | infernix | okay. make bzImage on 2.6.24 with equal .config. my Q6600 at 3ghz (4x3=12ghz): real 18.158s, user 56.897s, sys 8.937s. a single xeon E5420 (quadcore at 2.5ghz, 4x2.5=10ghz): real 52.411s, user 2m57.987, sys 19.649s. thats 2Ghz difference in total, yet its taking more than twice the time on the xeon. |
| 22:04.28 | infernix | xeons cant be that shit, can they? |
| 22:04.50 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: have you brought the interface up before scanning? |
| 22:05.15 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: and have you set a non-empty essid before bringing it up? |
| 22:05.36 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: grep -i glcore /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... if you have it comment it out |
| 22:06.17 | Spee_Der | eldowan, my versions of Debian can't locate hwclock for install, but I do have the manual for it. |
| 22:06.33 | eldowan | Spee_Der: It seems that ntpdate -u did the trick. hwclock needs root privelages to run |
| 22:06.51 | Spee_Der | eldowan, Ok. Best I can do for now my friend. |
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| 22:07.20 | warpzero | what package /join #netfilter |
| 22:07.24 | warpzero | whoa |
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| 22:07.43 | Fabio_Como | wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"" |
| 22:07.44 | Fabio_Como | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.17 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: please try with a non-empty essid. some cards/modules don't like to scan with an empty essid |
| 22:08.40 | Fabio_Como | ok i try |
| 22:09.09 | jetscreamer | Nihilist_Ner1: and glxinfo |grep vendor ... should say nvidia |
| 22:09.11 | eldowan | Spee_Der: ntpdate -u worked. Thanks for the help. |
| 22:09.42 | Spee_Der | eldowan, welcome. |
| 22:09.43 | Nihilist_Ner1 | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 22:10.28 | Nyle | hm |
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| 22:10.45 | Nihilist_Ner1 | http://pastebin.com/m4e236058 |
| 22:11.02 | jmoiron | is there any way to use apache2-mpm-worker & mod-php5 at the same time? apt doesn't seem to want to let their powers combine (lenny) |
| 22:11.24 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: "iwconfig wlan0 essid foobar ; ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" does it for me |
| 22:11.26 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:11.33 | Nyle | powers combine... |
| 22:11.41 | jmoiron | :) |
| 22:11.51 | Nyle | captian planet |
| 22:12.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:12.15 | jetscreamer | my brother was the one into captain planet |
| 22:12.20 | Nyle | sunchips and orange soda is calling tome |
| 22:12.23 | Nyle | is that healthy food jetscreamer ? |
| 22:12.28 | x86-eax | n every gdb session for any user the same over flowing of 100+ pages happends every time enter is pressed 3 times no matter what user is debugging any program, even if you reboot and use gdb as another user it still happends. |
| 22:12.30 | jmoiron | i'm no great fan of php but i don't want to have it unavailable to other users, either |
| 22:12.45 | jetscreamer | sunchips taste lame imo |
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| 22:12.59 | Nyle | what? |
| 22:13.05 | Nyle | man, sit down. |
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| 22:13.10 | jetscreamer | i just ate half a can of shoestring potato sticks |
| 22:13.15 | jetscreamer | a large can |
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| 22:13.42 | jetscreamer | give me ruffles or give me death |
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| 22:13.49 | Nyle | jmoiron: you're running a testing server? |
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| 22:14.04 | Nyle | allow me to quote the 25th letter of the English alphabet |
| 22:14.07 | jetscreamer | and my wife is the orange soda fan :) |
| 22:14.07 | Nyle | WHY? |
| 22:14.22 | jetscreamer | only sunkist |
| 22:14.31 | Nyle | same here |
| 22:14.44 | jetscreamer | heh cool she'll get a giggle out of that |
| 22:14.47 | jmoiron | Nyle: going to testing was the best way to get a few packages that i needed that were not backported |
| 22:14.58 | jmoiron | i only have a few things pinned to testing though |
| 22:15.00 | Fabio_Como | blubberdiblub: this is my interfaces: i think it's ok, |
| 22:15.03 | Fabio_Como | http://pastebin.ca/909080 |
| 22:15.29 | Nyle | jmoiron: what kind of issue does apt report |
| 22:15.31 | abrotman | jmoiron: you know you can backport your own right ? |
| 22:15.32 | Fabio_Como | but if I execute sudo iwconfig i still get: wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"" |
| 22:15.41 | Fabio_Como | it seem it doesn't get the ESSID |
| 22:16.06 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: try it manually first, without going through ifup/ifdown |
| 22:16.07 | Nyle | just out curiosity, which packages? |
| 22:16.09 | Fabio_Como | I already tryed many times sudo ifconfig wlan0 down / sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 22:16.13 | Fabio_Como | ok |
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| 22:16.41 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 22:17.25 | Nyle | i hate having to type in the down and then up |
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| 22:17.56 | Nyle | Fabio_Como: if you manually set the essid what happens? |
| 22:17.59 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: and pay close attention to any error messages the modules may produce through kernel logging. use "dmesg" if in doubt |
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| 22:19.43 | Fabio_Como | i noticed a stupid thing, if I execute "sudo ifconfig" the wlan0 box has only the inet6 line and not the inet4.. is it normal? |
| 22:19.49 | peppe | Fabio_Como: did you read dmesg? did you read the readme of those drivers? did you put their firmware in place? |
| 22:20.04 | Fabio_Como | dmesg: |
| 22:20.05 | Fabio_Como | [17180640.880000] wlan0: starting scan |
| 22:20.05 | Fabio_Como | [17180642.412000] wlan0: scan completed |
| 22:20.10 | balzac5000 | Greetings! I have gcc 3.3 and 3.4 installed on a box. I'm trying to specific the latter to a script before it begins compiling but the script always seems to use 3.3 I've tried "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" but a "gcc -v" still gives me version 3.3.5 - anyone have any hints? |
| 22:20.21 | cmdln | grummund: I tried setting the common-pammount options to required, still no success. |
| 22:20.29 | Fabio_Como | [17180251.384000] wlan0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 22:20.54 | Fabio_Como | (now i set manually the essid) |
| 22:20.59 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: scanning should work, even when no ipv4 address is configured to the interface yet |
| 22:21.09 | Fabio_Como | wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"Edinburgh" |
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| 22:21.29 | Fabio_Como | wlan0 No scan results |
| 22:22.12 | Fabio_Como | currently i'm trying with the self-compiled kernel module as explained on this page: http://www.atlink.it/~conti/articles/d-link-dwl-g122-and-linux/ |
| 22:22.25 | blubberdiblub | then i'm out of ideas, sorry |
| 22:22.38 | Fabio_Como | I see that the led of the USB wifi car get on when I execute ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 22:23.24 | extor | Does Quanta give you a "preview" of the html somewhere? Or an editing mode where you can directly edit text on the previewed rendition of a web page? |
| 22:23.40 | gourmand | balzac5000: are you sure that script honors $CC ? |
| 22:23.41 | Nyle | extor: #kde |
| 22:23.57 | Nyle | extor: in konq |
| 22:24.10 | cmdln | gourmand: i accedentially quit my irc session, did you have any other ideas? |
| 22:24.11 | balzac5000 | gourmand: Oooh good point. |
| 22:24.23 | extor | is there anything else besides quanta that does wyswig html development, nicely? |
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| 22:24.27 | extor | I run gnome btw |
| 22:24.32 | Nyle | !nvu |
| 22:24.33 | dpkg | nvu is, like, a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
| 22:24.38 | gourmand | cmdln: nope, sorry |
| 22:24.41 | balzac5000 | gourmand: Hmm - no "CC" variable declared or used. Can I hack it with a temporary symbolic link to the other version? |
| 22:24.50 | Fabio_Como | peppe: about the firmware, the "#make install" should do that job |
| 22:25.08 | Fabio_Como | peppe: *** Update /etc/modprobe.d/ralink alias for wlan* |
| 22:25.08 | Fabio_Como | *** Install firmware in /lib/firmware ... |
| 22:25.27 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: i'm using the rt2x00 modules here, build from the rt2x00-source package with module-assistant. it's a card based on a rt2561 chipset here, and it's working fine (had to fiddle a bit for setting it up, tho) |
| 22:25.28 | extor | hrmm..so nvu is better than quanta in that respect? |
| 22:26.07 | gourmand | balzac5000: you can symlink the desired gcc binary to gcc in ~/bin and prepend ~/bin to your $PATH |
| 22:26.08 | peppe | Fabio_Como: ok, now paste your dmesg on pastebin |
| 22:26.17 | craigevil | extor: nvu creates crappy code though, you might want to take a look at aptana |
| 22:26.26 | balzac5000 | gourmand: good call - many thanks! |
| 22:26.38 | Nyle | extor: use them both, find out what suits you best |
| 22:26.41 | gourmand | balzac5000: yw |
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| 22:27.09 | extor | anything else besides nvu and quanta? Im dling nvu now |
| 22:27.19 | dvs | bluefish? |
| 22:27.20 | Fabio_Como | peppe: my dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/909097 |
| 22:27.23 | jetscreamer | nvu was taken out of debian for some reason iirc |
| 22:27.40 | jetscreamer | but i did seem to like it best |
| 22:27.48 | Nyle | I did not |
| 22:27.50 | jetscreamer | there are many others |
| 22:27.56 | Fabio_Como | I noticed a thing.. the firmware (placed by #make install) is in /lib/firmware, but in that folder i have specific "kernel version" subfolders, maybe the firmware shoudl be place inside my specific kernel subfolder? |
| 22:27.59 | peppe | Fabio_Como: not the last 50 lines, all the output |
| 22:28.01 | Nyle | I looked at the code it generated based on my visual layouts |
| 22:28.04 | extor | bluefish is horrible |
| 22:28.05 | Nyle | fucking horribl |
| 22:28.07 | jetscreamer | vs baybee |
| 22:28.10 | craigevil | komposer is the fork of nvu that is still being updated |
| 22:28.12 | jetscreamer | :o did i say that?? |
| 22:28.17 | Nyle | man I don't like nvu |
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| 22:28.23 | Nyle | I love blufish but i hate gtk |
| 22:28.32 | Nyle | I just use any ol' syntax hilighting editor now |
| 22:28.37 | Nyle | quanta is good |
| 22:28.42 | jetscreamer | there's one called screem also |
| 22:28.42 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: no, it's really fine in the /lib/firmware/ directory. that's the place where it's supposed to be |
| 22:28.50 | jetscreamer | i've seen others |
| 22:28.56 | abrotman | craigevil: i think you mean Composer ? |
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| 22:29.12 | jetscreamer | !tell whoeveritwas -about search |
| 22:29.14 | Nyle | komposer is i think kde-apps |
| 22:29.16 | infernix | what does dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null measure exactly? cpu > ram speed? |
| 22:29.19 | craigevil | nope kompozer its not in the debian repos but there is a deb |
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| 22:29.27 | Nyle | is it? |
| 22:29.29 | infernix | on the dual xeon box I get 6.6GB/s, on my Q6600 i get 36GB/s |
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| 22:29.31 | abrotman | i thought you meant the Mozilla Composer |
| 22:29.57 | craigevil | theres that as well, works at least as well if not better than nvu |
| 22:29.58 | extor | Ok I have not even started using nvu yet but I can almost say that it kicks everything else's ass |
| 22:30.00 | jetscreamer | yeh the moz one is good for like simple pages |
| 22:30.06 | nebM0ft | What file does gdm run when opening a WM other than gnome, that runs my preferred startup apps? |
| 22:30.15 | extor | by the looks of it..it seems modelled on dreamweaver and frontpage |
| 22:30.15 | peppe | infernix: hm, maybe just cpu speed. why ram? |
| 22:30.21 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: rt73.bin would be the name of your firmware in there, i assume |
| 22:30.25 | jetscreamer | nebM0ft: it's not a gdm thing |
| 22:30.27 | infernix | peppe: or bus perhaps, rather |
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| 22:30.39 | Nyle | nebM0ft: dunno |
| 22:30.40 | jetscreamer | it's a WMotherthangnome thing nebM0ft |
| 22:30.42 | infernix | but this is definitely wrong |
| 22:30.47 | nebM0ft | jetscreamer: .xprofile .gnomerc dont work |
| 22:30.50 | infernix | 6.6gb on a dual xeon box |
| 22:30.52 | craigevil | extor: if you like nvu take a look at http://www.kompozer.net/ |
| 22:30.53 | nebM0ft | is .xprofile only for kdm? |
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| 22:31.03 | Fabio_Como | blubberdiblub: exactly |
| 22:31.09 | Fabio_Como | peppe: full dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/909101 |
| 22:31.11 | Nyle | nebM0ft: start gnome.. kill the window managet you don't want, launch the window manager you want, save session. |
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| 22:31.14 | Nyle | call it a day |
| 22:31.18 | extor | kompozer looks good too |
| 22:31.18 | Nyle | have a beer or two |
| 22:31.29 | jetscreamer | kde uses ~/.kde/Autostart or so nebM0ft |
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| 22:31.41 | nebM0ft | ok so i guess its WM specific.. |
| 22:31.43 | nebM0ft | thanks.. |
| 22:31.54 | jetscreamer | i said that... |
| 22:32.00 | peppe | infernix: dd isn't multithreaded :P and why bus? there aren't many cpu<->ram transfers. are you sure your bios is OK on your dual xeon? paste dmesg, cpuinfo, lshw, dmidecode |
| 22:32.08 | Fabio_Como | :/lib/firmware$ ll rt* |
| 22:32.08 | Fabio_Como | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2048 2008-02-18 22:57 rt73.bin |
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| 22:32.19 | Nyle | nebM0ft: a lot of wm support --replace |
| 22:32.30 | infernix | peppe: ive already tried many different bios settings, but still tweaking. |
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| 22:32.42 | nebM0ft | Nyle: can gdm pass args to WM's? |
| 22:32.43 | blubberdiblub | that's correct, Fabio_Como |
| 22:32.54 | Nyle | nebM0ft: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 22:32.57 | Nyle | nebM0ft: man gdm |
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| 22:33.36 | extor | kompozer looks good but it doesnt nest itself nicely in my applications menu like nvu did |
| 22:33.38 | nebM0ft | ok thanks |
| 22:33.43 | Fabio_Como | isn't something to change in /etc/wlan ? |
| 22:33.48 | nebM0ft | Is there any gui app that changes the cursor? |
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| 22:34.04 | Fabio_Como | i checked wlan.conf |
| 22:34.14 | Nyle | nebM0ft: apt-cache search cursor |
| 22:34.14 | nebM0ft | I know I could do it through .Xdefaults, but that means I have to restart a bunch of times. |
| 22:34.28 | extor | wait a sec---is kompozer based on nvu? It looks identical |
| 22:34.42 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: when doing "{ ifconfig wlan0 ; ifconfig wmaster0 ; } | grep HWaddr", do both lines hwaddresses start with the same hex numbers? (ignoring case and the delimiters) |
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| 22:34.52 | Nyle | nebM0ft: not really |
| 22:34.55 | craigevil | extor: yes its considered to be a bug fix for nvu |
| 22:35.04 | peppe | Fabio_Como: why do you have both rt73 and rt73usb? |
| 22:35.06 | nebM0ft | Nyle: i am sure gnome can do it.. |
| 22:35.07 | Nyle | nebM0ft: iirc they go into ~/.icons/ |
| 22:35.15 | Nyle | nebM0ft: you use gnome? |
| 22:35.23 | extor | hrmm....just off the top of your head, which bugs did it fix? |
| 22:35.28 | Nyle | nebM0ft: oh yeh |
| 22:35.28 | nebM0ft | I prefer fluxbox :) |
| 22:35.39 | nebM0ft | I just have the base.. |
| 22:36.03 | jetscreamer | flux is bound to have some autostart thingy |
| 22:36.04 | Nyle | nebM0ft: i think instructinos are on gnome-look.org |
| 22:36.05 | jetscreamer | icewm does |
| 22:36.15 | Nyle | they have a variety of X cursors that are DE independant |
| 22:36.15 | Fabio_Como | blubberdiblub: the second is longer |
| 22:36.18 | Fabio_Como | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1B:11:1C:BD:50 |
| 22:36.18 | Fabio_Como | wmaster0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-1B-11-1C-BD-50-E0-E3-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 22:36.19 | Nyle | and how to isntall |
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| 22:36.23 | blubberdiblub | peppe: i suppose he needs both. rt73 is the general interface and rt73usb is the usb backend. rt73pci would probably be the one with the pci backend |
| 22:36.30 | jetscreamer | !info crystalcursors |
| 22:36.32 | dpkg | crystalcursors: (X11 mouse theme with the crystal look&feel), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 246 kB, Installed size: 2868 kB |
| 22:36.37 | Nyle | jetscreamer: it does |
| 22:36.55 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: well, the first 6 bytes are the same, so this is correct |
| 22:36.58 | Nyle | debian has quite a few cursor themes |
| 22:37.05 | peppe | blubberdiblub: I just compiled the latest legacy rt73 drivers. no rt73usb driver |
| 22:37.06 | Nyle | with lots of diff cursors in them |
| 22:37.10 | jetscreamer | i personally like that one |
| 22:37.10 | Nyle | apt-cache search cursor |
| 22:37.13 | Nyle | I like comix |
| 22:37.24 | peppe | *** Module rt73.ko built successfully <- and that's all |
| 22:37.56 | jetscreamer | i didn't care too much for the futuristic one |
| 22:37.56 | Nyle | jetscreamer: and which one do you impersonally like? |
| 22:37.56 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 22:37.56 | Nyle | word |
| 22:37.56 | Fabio_Como | peppe: i followed this guide: http://www.atlink.it/~conti/articles/d-link-dwl-g122-and-linux/ |
| 22:38.14 | peppe | Fabio_Como: that guide mentions only "rt73", not rt73usb |
| 22:38.33 | peppe | > usbcore: registered new driver rt73 |
| 22:38.34 | blubberdiblub | peppe: ah, then you might very well be correct. i was thinking in terms of the rt2x00 suite |
| 22:38.41 | peppe | what is rt73usb? |
| 22:39.08 | peppe | blubberdiblub: yeah... I still use rt2570 (rt2500usb from rt2x00 is broken :(((( ) |
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| 22:39.55 | Fabio_Como | peppe: you're right, maybe that rt73usb is still something from my ndiswrapper try.. |
| 22:40.00 | blubberdiblub | peppe: it seems to work for me ... it doesn't produce any errors at least. didn't try scanning yet, tho (i have several wlan cards based on different rt chipsets) |
| 22:40.24 | _lurch | anyone have any reasources on how to do differential backup in debain with a cron job |
| 22:40.25 | _lurch | ? |
| 22:40.45 | peppe | blubberdiblub: i've a linksys usb dongle ... with rt2750 I had no problem, with rt2x00 nothing works :P |
| 22:41.01 | blubberdiblub | Fabio_Como: remove both modules and then insert only the correct one |
| 22:41.18 | drwahl | _lurch: check "dump" and "rdisk" or "bacula" |
| 22:41.44 | Fabio_Como | rmmod r73 - rmmod rt73us, insmod rt73 ok? |
| 22:42.05 | peppe | Fabio_Como: modprobe |
| 22:42.10 | blubberdiblub | peppe: well, with rt2x00 you really have to pay attention that the wmaster* interfaces get assigned the correct names ... you don't want udev to go rogue on them. that's at least what happened to me. as soon as i behaved udev, as was working nicely |
| 22:42.34 | blubberdiblub | s/as/all/ |
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| 22:43.47 | Fabio_Como | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.50 | Fabio_Como | i did this |
| 22:44.30 | peppe | Fabio_Como: maybe is a good idea too to unplug and replug your wifi dongle |
| 22:44.57 | Fabio_Como | here dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/909113 |
| 22:46.05 | Fabio_Como | i replug the wifi dongle |
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| 22:47.01 | Fabio_Como | i updated pastebin with the recognizing message from dmesg http://pastebin.ca/909118 |
| 22:47.35 | Fabio_Como | it's when i plugin that device that it loads rt73usb |
| 22:47.39 | Fabio_Como | you can see it from dmesg |
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| 22:49.18 | blubberdiblub | peppe: well, it's an rt2500 chipset on my other box, usb. and i just verified that it's working great using the rt2x00 stuff |
| 22:49.54 | peppe | blubberdiblub: I'm unlucky :) |
| 22:50.16 | Jygzygyzel | any tools you can use to make an animated gif? |
| 22:50.17 | Fabio_Como | i retry to iwconfig? |
| 22:50.22 | Jygzygyzel | from seriest of pictures |
| 22:50.25 | infernix | is there anyone else with a Xeon E5420 in a server that could tell me the result of dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10000? |
| 22:50.29 | beardy | Jygzygyzel: The GIMP. |
| 22:50.36 | peppe | Fabio_Como: remove ndiswrapper stuff, find that module path (modinfo rt73usb) and find out which package owns it (dpkg -S) |
| 22:50.40 | peppe | Jygzygyzel: gimp-gap |
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| 22:50.43 | Jygzygyzel | beardy in console |
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| 22:51.03 | beardy | Jygzygyzel: Yes, if you know it. |
| 22:51.14 | Jygzygyzel | what? |
| 22:51.20 | Fabio_Como | " sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper " is enough? |
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| 22:51.24 | peppe | Fabio_Como: no |
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| 22:51.26 | themill | Jygzygyzel: I suspect imagemagick can do it too. |
| 22:51.45 | beardy | Jygzygyzel: The GIMP is fully scriptable via several interfaces. Maybe what themill said aswell. |
| 22:51.48 | Fabio_Como | i also did apt-get remove *ndiswrapper stuff* |
| 22:52.08 | Fabio_Como | and i removed the ndiswrapper file from /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 22:52.23 | Fabio_Como | i don't know what to do more :D |
| 22:52.25 | peppe | Fabio_Como: maybe you left shit around, find that rt73usb module!! |
| 22:52.34 | peppe | Fabio_Como: I told you what to do |
| 22:52.59 | Fabio_Como | :/$ sudo find -name rt73usb |
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| 22:53.18 | peppe | infernix: 10485760000 bytes (10 GB) copied, 0.771126 seconds, 13.6 GB/s on "Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz" |
| 22:53.26 | peppe | infernix: dunno the exact model... |
| 22:53.36 | infernix | good enough, thanks |
| 22:53.47 | Fabio_Como | ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic/include/config/rt73usb |
| 22:53.49 | infernix | im getting varied results |
| 22:53.51 | nebM0ft | I downloaded the vanilla-dmz cursors and i am trying to install it. When i go to /etc/X11/cursor, all the files end with *.theme but nothing of that sort id in the vanilla dir. how can i install it? (dpkg has nothing on xcursors) |
| 22:54.01 | Fabio_Como | ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-12-generic/include/config/rt73usb |
| 22:54.10 | Fabio_Como | ./sys/module/rt73usb |
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| 22:54.15 | infernix | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5320 @ 1.86GHz: 10485760000 bytes (10 GB) copied, 0.382363 seconds, 27.4 GB/s |
| 22:54.18 | Fabio_Como | ./sys/bus/usb/drivers/rt73usb |
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| 22:54.25 | voltagex | help! how do I turn on my Macbook's fans in Debian? |
| 22:54.30 | peppe | Fabio_Como: do not paste HERE |
| 22:54.34 | peppe | Fabio_Como: and I told you: modinfo |
| 22:54.41 | themill | Fabio_Como: is that an ubuntu kernel? |
| 22:54.48 | infernix | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 3.0GHz: 10485760000 bytes (10 GB) copied, 0.288607 seconds, 36.3 GB/s |
| 22:54.48 | Fabio_Como | yes |
| 22:55.17 | blubberdiblub | *cough* |
| 22:55.27 | peppe | infernix: I won't say dd is a valid benchmark for multicore cpus |
| 22:55.32 | themill | Fabio_Como: On a debian machine? Or are you actually running Ubuntu? |
| 22:55.33 | peppe | Fabio_Como: is this #ubuntu or #debian? |
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| 22:55.49 | Fabio_Como | #debian |
| 22:56.03 | infernix | peppe: thats beside the point |
| 22:56.21 | voltagex | ...my macbook is burning :/ |
| 22:56.32 | infernix | peppe: my multicore q6600 is 6 times faster than a E5420, and thats odd |
| 22:56.47 | peppe | Fabio_Como: and you're running ubuntu or an ubuntu kernel on debian? |
| 22:57.04 | Fabio_Como | xubuntu |
| 22:57.36 | themill | Fabio_Como: If you are running Ubuntu then we just can't help you with wireless stuff. Ubuntu does a lot of that stuff differently -- you will have to ask in #ubuntu. Anything we tell you here could be wrong for ubuntu. |
| 22:58.17 | Fabio_Como | oh ok |
| 22:58.33 | Fabio_Como | i thought they work the same way, just debian is more secure |
| 22:58.58 | themill | Fabio_Como: mostly they are the same. But wireless and kernel module handling are quite different. |
| 22:59.01 | Gnurdux | debian isnt more secure, its more stable |
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| 22:59.21 | Gnurdux | anyway, you shouldnt ask about ubuntu in #debian |
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| 22:59.23 | Gnurdux | read the topic |
| 22:59.41 | themill | Jygzygyzel: iirc mencoder can also make animated gifs |
| 23:00.15 | peppe | actually mplayer, -vo gif89a |
| 23:00.43 | themill | peppe: can mplayer do it without mencoder installed? |
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| 23:00.57 | peppe | themill: sure |
| 23:00.58 | diafic | I am aware that this is debian support only. But this is just gnome being wierd: for some reason, instead of listing ~/Desktop on my desktop, its listing ~/. I have no idea why or how to fix it. Help? |
| 23:01.13 | themill | peppe: nice. Will file that away for future reference ;) |
| 23:01.37 | maher | how do i run realplayer on one box and have the sound appear on a different box? |
| 23:01.47 | voltagex | .......... |
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| 23:02.27 | voltagex | fans anyone? |
| 23:02.54 | SPF | maher: connect the sound out of box1 to sound-in of box2 |
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| 23:03.11 | themill | voltagex: it should turn do that it's self. else poke around in /proc/acpi |
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| 23:03.36 | Fabio_Como | uh,, i received some bytes |
| 23:03.40 | Fabio_Como | on that wlan |
| 23:03.48 | Fabio_Como | i blacklisted that rt73usb |
| 23:03.48 | voltagex | themill: it hasn't it's getting very hot |
| 23:03.58 | maher | SPF: :) my cable is too short - the other box is two miles away |
| 23:04.19 | diafic | maher, dunno. Try running mpg123 on the target box :P |
| 23:04.22 | voltagex | themill: nothing in /proc/acpi/fan :/ |
| 23:04.30 | peppe | voltagex: do you have a very recent kernel? |
| 23:04.32 | themill | maher: perhaps look at mas. Never used it, but heard of others using it. |
| 23:04.38 | voltagex | peppe: no, one off the 4.0 cd |
| 23:04.40 | diafic | OR set up a stream server on source and a streaming audio player in the destination |
| 23:05.06 | Fabio_Como | thank you all guys |
| 23:05.15 | Fabio_Como | if is there will be an happy ending |
| 23:05.18 | Fabio_Como | i'll come back |
| 23:05.27 | themill | Fabio_Como: good luck with it! |
| 23:05.29 | Fabio_Como | i need to restart my router |
| 23:05.42 | Fabio_Como | maybe with blacklist rt73usb |
| 23:05.46 | Fabio_Como | i can do the trick |
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| 23:06.11 | voltagex | peppe: any ideas? |
| 23:06.18 | ozzloy | i'm trying to install ssl, but apache2-ssl-certificate is missing. google just shows people with the same problem |
| 23:06.30 | peppe | voltagex: really dunno, I don't owe a mac :( sorry |
| 23:06.47 | ozzloy | how do i set up ssl w/o apache2-ssl-certificate / how do i get apache2-ssl-certificate? |
| 23:07.13 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 23:07.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
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| 23:08.10 | peppe | voltagex: I suggest you to upgrade your kernel, however. |
| 23:08.23 | _fmarinho_ | caio |
| 23:09.50 | voltagex | peppe: applesmc seems to do it |
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| 23:10.19 | xxx | hi guys! |
| 23:10.29 | Fabio_Como_ | hi guys! |
| 23:10.32 | crn | ozzloy, check /usr/share/doc/apache2 also /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples ssl.conf.gz and ssl-std.conf.gz |
| 23:10.34 | Fabio_Como_ | it works!! |
| 23:10.43 | Fabio_Como_ | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1B:11:1C:BD:50 |
| 23:10.43 | Fabio_Como_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.54 | Fabio_Como_ | you're really great :) |
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| 23:13.23 | voltagex | anyone know where to get the applesmc module? |
| 23:13.52 | voltagex | :/ |
| 23:13.58 | _fmarinho_ | ?/ |
| 23:14.11 | Fabio_Como_ | peppe I blacklisted that rt73usb you told me |
| 23:14.13 | _fmarinho_ | the is module |
| 23:14.34 | Fabio_Como_ | peppe: thank you |
| 23:14.43 | _fmarinho_ | thanks |
| 23:15.18 | Fabio_Como_ | and thanks to the oother guy i don't remember the name |
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| 23:16.43 | voltagex | _fmarinho_: what? |
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| 23:17.08 | _fmarinho_ | ghost |
| 23:17.19 | Wardie | Is there a selective booting or safe mode for debian? |
| 23:17.24 | Wardie | And how do i get to it if there is? |
| 23:17.46 | _fmarinho_ | ?? |
| 23:17.52 | dondelelcaro | Wardie: there is a safe mode, and it's listed as a grub option. |
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| 23:18.10 | dondelelcaro | Wardie: if you need something more "safe", then you'll have to pass specific options to the kernel to just start a shell or go to single user mode. |
| 23:18.32 | voltagex | I need the applesmc module but it isn't listed in any packages |
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| 23:19.14 | peppe | voltagex: it is in a newer kernel, as I said :) |
| 23:19.32 | voltagex | peppe: I don't think I want to compile a new kernel here in case this burns |
| 23:19.52 | peppe | voltagex: backports? |
| 23:20.10 | voltagex | peppe: thanks |
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| 23:20.23 | voltagex | it's debian-backports in apt-source yes? |
| 23:20.29 | voltagex | in sources.list* |
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| 23:21.13 | themill | !bpo |
| 23:21.14 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 23:22.29 | _fmarinho_ | I am experiencing problems in installing debian in my notebook |
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| 23:23.51 | drwahl | _fmarinho_: can you be more specific? |
| 23:24.10 | _fmarinho_ | Someone help me |
| 23:24.11 | _fmarinho_ | Someone help me |
| 23:24.33 | drwahl | _fmarinho_: we can not help unless you tell us what the problem is |
| 23:25.04 | themill | !br |
| 23:25.05 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:25.06 | wiebel | Is there an elegant way to use a key-file stored on a crypted fs via luks to be used by another fs during bootup? |
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| 23:25.39 | _fmarinho_ | ok |
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| 23:27.05 | wiebel | would it be clean to mount the first "luks" fs by the keyscript of the second, before mountall.sh tekes place? |
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| 23:29.46 | voltagex | peppe: which kernel package do I install from backports? |
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| 23:32.10 | k-man_ | is there a way to list the new upgrades with aptitude? |
| 23:32.47 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:32.51 | jetscreamer | i don't know it, but yes |
| 23:33.07 | jetscreamer | that's one of the selling points |
| 23:33.08 | k-man_ | jetscreamer, i think i can just do aptitude safe-upgrade and see the list |
| 23:33.28 | k-man_ | but wajig presents a much nicer way of seeing it |
| 23:33.36 | jetscreamer | there is a --dry-run option ... diff name i'm sure |
| 23:33.45 | jetscreamer | but the effect is the same |
| 23:33.54 | k-man_ | whats that gnome package that shows you there are upgrades to install? |
| 23:34.11 | Tramp | wiebel: I patch do_start in cryptdisks_functions to mount the "keystore" - and of course avoid to update the cryptsetup package |
| 23:34.12 | jetscreamer | starts with an a .. adept? |
| 23:35.12 | peppe | voltagex: the latest available, i'd say linux-image-....-686 |
| 23:35.19 | jmoiron | abrotman: i know i can backport my own but it was a significant number of packages |
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| 23:35.37 | jmoiron | anyway, it seems like php needs some experimental multi-threading option built in to have a prayer of working w/ worker |
| 23:35.59 | jmoiron | but worker reduces the load on my server from 1.5 -> 0.03 |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | jmoiron: way delayed! :) |
| 23:36.11 | jmoiron | abrotman: i had to make dinner ^_^; |
| 23:36.21 | abrotman | jmoiron: wtf did you make? roast duck? |
| 23:36.45 | jmoiron | home fries, baked flounder & bok choi |
| 23:37.00 | voltagex | peppe: doesn't seem to be in backports? |
| 23:37.33 | jmoiron | but seriously for people who want to use worker mpm and php, looks like they are basically SOL and completely on their own |
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| 23:40.06 | peppe | voltagex: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 23:40.16 | peppe | voltagex: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:40.25 | peppe | voltagex: I assume you have an intel macbook |
| 23:41.13 | voltagex | peppe: of course ;) |
| 23:41.13 | peppe | oh, well. maybe "macbook"s has only intel cpus... /me is not an apple-addicted |
| 23:41.13 | voltagex | peppe: ok, that will do to get the fans up, then I'll need to compile for some extra drivers |
| 23:41.13 | voltagex | thanks |
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| 23:41.13 | pablo | hi, i installed kde-i18n-es and k3b didnt change its language. what may the problem be? |
| 23:41.13 | peppe | voltagex: install the headers too, then |
| 23:41.18 | voltagex | peppe: neither am I, bought this for a macintosh only school :P |
| 23:41.33 | voltagex | peppe: nah, I'll need .24 |
| 23:41.38 | peppe | pablo: install k3b-i18n |
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| 23:42.10 | pablo | peppe: that package doesnt exist |
| 23:42.45 | voltagex | peppe: erm, seems to be a transitional package |
| 23:42.57 | voltagex | peppe: not an actual image |
| 23:43.26 | peppe | voltagex: which package? |
| 23:44.09 | peppe | pablo: what are you running? |
| 23:44.09 | voltagex | peppe: never mind me, was trying to install the meta package, got it now |
| 23:44.22 | peppe | pablo: http://packages.debian.org/k3b-i18n |
| 23:45.23 | pablo | peppe: yeah thanks |
| 23:45.44 | ozzloy | crn: i installed apache2-doc, still don't have /usr/share/doc/apache2/ |
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| 23:46.17 | ozzloy | wait, it's apache2.2-common |
| 23:46.28 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.44 | pablo | hi, i am trying to compile somethig with ant but it says Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK. |
| 23:47.26 | jetscreamer | !jdk |
| 23:47.39 | jetscreamer | a lacking |
| 23:48.27 | peppe | ozzloy: I'm not a DD (=> I don't know the policy), but usually a package called X has a /usr/share/doc/X folder |
| 23:48.54 | jetscreamer | maybe #java |
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| 23:49.38 | pablo | jetscreamer: how can i see what does the variable JAVA_HOME contains? |
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| 23:49.51 | themill | pablo: debian packages shouldn't require environment variables to be set. (echo $JAVA_HOME) |
| 23:49.57 | ozzloy | peppe: hmm... |
| 23:50.07 | peppe | pablo: echo $JAVA_HOME. but you usually don't need to set it manually |
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| 23:50.21 | themill | pablo: You could check that you have the jdk selected in update-java-alternatives |
| 23:50.36 | pablo | themill: yeah, it is setted there |
| 23:50.45 | themill | pablo: Or set it yourself: JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ant |
| 23:50.56 | doschdn | hi. i did an apt-get update and i'm getting the following error: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 23:50.58 | peppe | themill: I think that argouml or eclipse needs it ... :| |
| 23:51.08 | themill | pablo: Use /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun if you are using java5. |
| 23:51.12 | peppe | doschdn: retry after a while |
| 23:51.32 | pablo | themill: so i should set the variable? |
| 23:51.37 | doschdn | i already got this yesterday |
| 23:51.45 | jetscreamer | try a diff mirror |
| 23:51.52 | doschdn | okay |
| 23:51.59 | doschdn | thanks :) |
| 23:52.01 | themill | pablo: you may as well try. If that works then investigate further. |
| 23:52.04 | jetscreamer | change the de to uk or whatever |
| 23:52.38 | themill | pablo: For debian-specific java things, you could also ask #debian-java on oftc. |
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| 23:53.25 | pablo | themill: ok, how do i set the variable JAVA_HOME? |
| 23:53.54 | doschdn | it seems to work now. thanks a lot :) |
| 23:54.01 | themill | pablo: If you want to set it just for one invocation of ant, then at your shell prompt type: JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ant |
| 23:54.42 | themill | pablo: If it's something that you want to make permanent, stick "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun" in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 23:55.57 | themill | pablo: you do have the JDK installed, don't you? |
| 23:56.46 | jetscreamer | where do i learn how to use my phone as an internet gateway, with it's unlimited data plan? |
| 23:56.59 | pablo | themill: yes |
| 23:57.14 | jetscreamer | from my laptop i mean |
| 23:57.20 | themill | pablo: :) just checking |
| 23:57.27 | dkr | jetscreamer: google "tethered modem" |
| 23:57.33 | jetscreamer | thx |
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| 23:57.58 | dkr | adding linux or debian to the search may help :) |
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| 23:58.50 | techouse | hey guys! a simple question: would 2.6.24-1-686 run on an AMD Sempron 3100+ that runs 2.6.18-5-k7 at the moment? |
| 23:59.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | it should anyway |
| 23:59.12 | techouse | thank you! |
| 23:59.14 | techouse | ;) |
| 23:59.23 | techouse | well it's a remote seedbox |
| 23:59.46 | techouse | and i was afraid it wouldn't work after i restarted it |
| 23:59.57 | abrotman | have fun with your garden |
