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| 00:01.12 | pablo | hi, what do you recommend ext3 or reiserfs? |
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| 00:01.23 | Guerin | !ext3 |
| 00:01.23 | dpkg | [ext3] the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>. |
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| 00:02.25 | ozzloy | ls |
| 00:02.25 | ozzloy | woops |
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| 00:03.42 | pablo | !ricerfs |
| 00:03.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 00:04.13 | pablo | !reiserfs |
| 00:04.13 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
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| 00:05.11 | pablo | !ext3 vs reiserfs |
| 00:05.12 | dpkg | ext3 vs reiserfs is, like, http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php |
| 00:06.04 | kgoetz | pablo: please message the boty |
| 00:06.08 | kgoetz | *bot |
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| 00:07.07 | voltagex | ok, with a new kernel the macbook fan does go, but I get an input/output error when I try to set fan1_input manually. |
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| 00:07.51 | x_link | enouf: Where are you hiding? =) |
| 00:08.08 | enouf | x_link: here i is ;-) |
| 00:08.41 | x_link | ;] |
| 00:08.45 | x_link | What's up? |
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| 00:09.05 | enouf | pablo: reiserfs 3.6 is fine, afaic |
| 00:09.21 | enouf | x_link: nada mucho, et tu ? |
| 00:09.29 | x_link | enouf: Not much either. |
| 00:09.36 | x_link | Trying out a "new" keyboard. |
| 00:09.41 | enouf | x_link: oh, gotta leave to go out to eat real soon |
| 00:09.49 | enouf | cool |
| 00:09.55 | enouf | usb? ps/2? |
| 00:10.04 | x_link | Hard to find comfortable ketyboards nowadays. |
| 00:10.09 | x_link | enouf: I got 3 =) |
| 00:10.10 | dkr | enouf: that latspanglish was painful to read :) |
| 00:10.19 | x_link | 2= USB and one PS/2 |
| 00:10.26 | enouf | i have a usb one, but i also have a usb->ps/2 adapter \o/ |
| 00:10.42 | x_link | enouf: I have a white Dell that I love, but it doesn't match with my black monitor and my black case. |
| 00:10.49 | x_link | enouf: Which keyboard do you have? |
| 00:10.51 | enouf | i can unplug it, and plug it into adapter randomly ;-) |
| 00:11.00 | x_link | Okey =) |
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| 00:11.04 | enouf | spray paint? |
| 00:11.10 | x_link | Baah, I must change keyboard now. This ain't nice. |
| 00:11.22 | enouf | x_link: the cheapest piece of crap that worstbuy had |
| 00:11.27 | x_link | enouf: I have 2 of this white Dell-keyboards. I spreyed on of them. Looks like shit! |
| 00:11.36 | x_link | enouf: Okey =) |
| 00:11.40 | enouf | hehe |
| 00:11.41 | x_link | enouf: Keyboard is really important for me. |
| 00:11.49 | x_link | But I don't like this keyboards with multimedia keys etc. |
| 00:11.55 | enouf | practice your spraying techniques |
| 00:11.56 | x_link | *spits* |
| 00:12.06 | dkr | attention gringos: "mucho" means "a lot" not "much". "nothing much" would be "nada mas" :D |
| 00:12.13 | x_link | enouf: Doesn't mather, this is the wrong "type" of color. |
| 00:12.43 | enouf | dkr: you are nuts .. but ok ;-) |
| 00:12.54 | enouf | nothing more. lol |
| 00:13.26 | dkr | hrm, I've been awake 23 hours |
| 00:13.31 | enouf | not-a-heck-of-a-lot |
| 00:13.32 | dkr | ;) |
| 00:13.40 | enouf | que passo amigo? |
| 00:13.50 | dkr | que pasta? |
| 00:13.58 | dkr | linguini! |
| 00:14.01 | enouf | er ¿que passo amigo? |
| 00:14.10 | beardy | Spaghetti bolognese. |
| 00:14.22 | enouf | penne ala vodka |
| 00:14.37 | voltagex | what would cause an input/output error trying to manually set fanspeed on a macbook? |
| 00:14.39 | enouf | linguine carbonara is nice ;-) |
| 00:15.07 | beardy | voltagex: The setting could. |
| 00:15.11 | enouf | x_link: hrm, maybe work in the dark, like i do ;-) |
| 00:15.20 | gourmand | voltagex: unprivileged user? |
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| 00:15.56 | enouf | voltagex: seen http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro?highlight=%28macbook%29 ? relative? |
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| 00:16.49 | voltagex | enouf: can't copy paste here |
| 00:16.59 | voltagex | enouf: no gpm yet, can you tinyurl that? |
| 00:17.08 | enouf | ok |
| 00:18.00 | enouf | http://tinyurl.com/22o5km |
| 00:18.18 | x_link | enouf: =) |
| 00:18.40 | enouf | !tell voltagex -about pastebin pipe |
| 00:19.29 | enouf | phone |
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| 00:21.57 | voltagex | what output though? it's just input/output error when i echo 6200 > fan1_speed |
| 00:22.00 | voltagex | as root |
| 00:22.38 | enouf | no file there? |
| 00:23.05 | enouf | gah nm .. later |
| 00:23.56 | voltagex | file is there |
| 00:24.02 | voltagex | or the device or whatever |
| 00:24.13 | voltagex | you go out to eat, I'll still be here with the burning macbook |
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| 00:24.50 | Kevin` | # apt-get install checkinstall |
| 00:24.50 | Kevin` | Reading package lists... Done |
| 00:24.50 | Kevin` | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 00:24.50 | Kevin` | E: Couldn't find package checkinstall |
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| 00:24.58 | Kevin` | eep |
| 00:25.00 | Nyle | Kevin`: should know better |
| 00:25.08 | Kevin` | anyway what should I use instead of that if it's not available? |
| 00:25.16 | voltagex | argh, how do you pipe stderr to stout again? |
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| 00:25.23 | voltagex | 2&1 or something? |
| 00:25.24 | Kevin` | voltagex 2>&1 |
| 00:25.34 | voltagex | ah, missed the > |
| 00:25.46 | Nyle | I am passing out |
| 00:25.59 | Nyle | but i have to stay up for 2 hours more |
| 00:27.30 | aslo | chi mi puo aiutatare sono nuovo?non ho mai usato questo programma |
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| 00:27.41 | themill | !it |
| 00:27.41 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
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| 00:27.55 | Nyle | themill: how di dyou know tht was italian? |
| 00:28.02 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/909260 - what should I do? :) |
| 00:28.03 | voltagex | themill: is that it or esp? |
| 00:28.07 | Gnurdux | it looks like italian |
| 00:28.15 | Gnurdux | its certainly not spanish |
| 00:28.17 | voltagex | I think that's es :/ |
| 00:28.24 | Gnurdux | voltagex, no |
| 00:28.27 | x_link | Good nigt folx! |
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| 00:28.28 | themill | Nyle: It is italian, and the /whois came up as being .it too. |
| 00:28.29 | Gnurdux | spanish has -ar, not -are |
| 00:28.31 | Nyle | x_link: g'night |
| 00:28.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:28.35 | voltagex | ok I fail |
| 00:28.35 | Gnurdux | por not per |
| 00:28.38 | Gnurdux | en not in |
| 00:28.50 | Gnurdux | doesn't have double letters |
| 00:28.51 | Gnurdux | etc |
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| 00:28.59 | voltagex | linguini? spaghetti? |
| 00:29.06 | voltagex | :P |
| 00:29.16 | Gnurdux | yeah, see spanish you don't have that kind of word ending with i |
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| 00:29.45 | TofuMatt | Hellooo... could I get a little help with pine? |
| 00:29.49 | TofuMatt | :S |
| 00:30.05 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 00:31.14 | dutchfish | Kevin`, its not in etch |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | TofuMatt: what about it? |
| 00:31.26 | Kevin` | dutchfish what should I use instead? |
| 00:31.55 | TofuMatt | abrot: Pretty simple... I just want it to point to ~/Maildir instead of ~/mail for folders like sent, trash, etc. |
| 00:32.19 | abrotman | Kevin`: stow perhaps ? |
| 00:32.30 | TofuMatt | I want to get it to play nice with OS X mail, which won't look in ~/mail |
| 00:32.31 | voltagex | ok, pasting the error I get to pastebin. |
| 00:32.42 | dutchfish | Kevin`, maybe debnest |
| 00:33.05 | abrotman | TofuMatt: you'd have to patch pine |
| 00:33.19 | voltagex | wtf, paste2pastebin says invalid argument |
| 00:33.25 | TofuMatt | :O No setting in the conf file? Darn |
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| 00:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, now that's what I call a great manpage ... written exclusivly for Debian: "BUGS: squiggle is currently broken in debian. Startup will fail with a security error." |
| 00:33.44 | Kevin` | dutchfish looks hard :) |
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| 00:33.52 | dutchfish | Kevin`, or gnome-apt |
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| 00:34.20 | Kevin` | gnome-apt looks like an.. apt tool |
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| 00:34.38 | Kevin` | I want a simple way to make packages |
| 00:35.01 | dutchfish | Kevin`, for that you dont need that |
| 00:35.13 | Kevin` | so, what should I use |
| 00:35.31 | dutchfish | Kevin`, what you try to achieve? |
| 00:35.41 | abrotman | Kevin`: stow ? |
| 00:35.52 | Kevin` | ./configure, make, "someprogram 'make install'" and get a package |
| 00:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... This manual page was written [...] for the Debian Project, but may be used by others.... ---> spread the word that it's broken in debian? |
| 00:35.55 | voltagex | echo 6200 > /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_input causes bash: write error: input/output error |
| 00:36.03 | Kevin` | instead of splattering files all over |
| 00:36.24 | \amethyst | Kevin`: take a look at checkinstall maybe |
| 00:36.39 | Kevin` | checkinstall isn't in etch main for some reason |
| 00:36.58 | voltagex | oh, that's because I fail, it's fan1_output :/ |
| 00:37.11 | abrotman | !info stow etch |
| 00:37.16 | dpkg | stow: (Organiser for /usr/local/ hierarchy), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.3.3-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | or just keep damn ignoring me |
| 00:37.32 | dutchfish | Kevin`, i use dpkg-deb to build the package |
| 00:38.09 | Kevin` | dutchfish can you provide an example use? |
| 00:38.24 | dutchfish | Kevin`, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 00:38.32 | voltagex | woot, macbook is not burning any more |
| 00:39.48 | voltagex | if I install rt2x00-source, how do I compile the module? |
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| 00:41.30 | PiousMinion | The mirror at GATech is being flaky. :/ |
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| 00:42.39 | dutchfish | is there some (small DNS server package) like bind9 that has the "view" option, and is suitable for "behind a firewall"? |
| 00:42.59 | Kevin` | dutchfish why do you need something smaller then bind? |
| 00:43.29 | dutchfish | Kevin`, memmory is not much on the "some embedded debian" device |
| 00:43.35 | Kevin` | k |
| 00:43.55 | dutchfish | Kevin`, i have to run lamp within 64mb |
| 00:44.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:44.35 | simonrvn | not bloody likely ;) |
| 00:44.44 | Kevin` | dutchfish you might consider lighttpd, I suspect bind is smaller then apache |
| 00:44.52 | dutchfish | Kevin`, and it needs inside lan caching with forwarding and be authoritive for 1 domain from the outside |
| 00:44.59 | simonrvn | lagp maybe, but not lamp |
| 00:45.02 | Kevin` | mysql.. well.. good luck. php should work. |
| 00:45.08 | simonrvn | Kevin`: bind isn't a web server... |
| 00:45.21 | dutchfish | Kevin`, yes, thats not the problem, i just need some small dns server |
| 00:45.22 | Kevin` | simonrvn he also wants dns |
| 00:45.59 | Kevin` | dutchfish the normal embedded dns server is dnsmasq but i'm not sure what kind of high end features it has. MIGHT work. definitely worth looking into |
| 00:45.59 | simonrvn | dutchfish: and... you can't provide that externally...? |
| 00:46.29 | simonrvn | i doubt it can do anything authoritative, but i've not used it |
| 00:46.40 | Kevin` | it can, not normal zone format though |
| 00:46.57 | simonrvn | *nod* |
| 00:47.02 | dutchfish | Kevin`, simonrvn, the 1 authoritive domain has ddns with ttl below 600 |
| 00:47.33 | Kevin` | dutchfish dnsmasq might work very well. |
| 00:47.49 | Kevin` | it's normal use is for dhcp+ddns |
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| 00:48.13 | dutchfish | Kevin`, i dont grasp that ... can it be authoritive? |
| 00:48.21 | voltagex | how can I make the mouse move faster in x? |
| 00:48.41 | Kevin` | dutchfish i've never tried it for a globally accessible internet domain. try :) |
| 00:49.00 | hologram | voltagex: wrist exercises? |
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| 00:49.26 | dutchfish | Kevin`, mm... i surely delve into that, never thought that dnsmasq could do that, oh well, debian still surprises me :) |
| 00:49.32 | Bushmills | dutchfish: maradns is quite nice |
| 00:49.51 | dutchfish | Bushmills, tahnk you , noted |
| 00:49.51 | Bushmills | auth + recursive. either or both |
| 00:49.56 | simonrvn | voltagex: xset m |
| 00:50.05 | nebM0ft | IDEA requires that JDK_HOME be set, debian puts all java binaries into /usr/bin is that what I should set JDK_HOME to? |
| 00:50.06 | dutchfish | Bushmills, thats exactly what i need |
| 00:50.11 | simonrvn | read the help |
| 00:50.23 | dutchfish | Bushmills, if it is small (mem consumption) |
| 00:50.39 | simonrvn | oh yeh, forgot about maradns |
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| 00:50.48 | Bushmills | dutchfish: for limited number of domains, yes. big number no, as they are mem cached |
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| 00:51.07 | simonrvn | 42244 <-- VIRT for bind9 |
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| 00:51.20 | dutchfish | Bushmills, 1 auth domain, and the rest is for caching for the internal clients |
| 00:51.25 | AussieHatter | how could gsambad be restricitng the password length of a user being added ? |
| 00:51.39 | Bushmills | dutchfish: about 4 mb here, for around 100 domains |
| 00:51.49 | AussieHatter | if smbpasswd -a doesnt |
| 00:51.52 | dutchfish | Bushmills, cool, very conservative! |
| 00:52.04 | simonrvn | Bushmills: nice, x86? |
| 00:52.09 | Bushmills | yes. |
| 00:52.16 | Guerin | AussieHatter: ask the gnometards on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:52.20 | dutchfish | running arm on 2 watts |
| 00:52.21 | Bushmills | dutchfish: zone server is separate process, if needed |
| 00:52.25 | simonrvn | hm, probably a bit more for ppc... |
| 00:52.26 | Kevin` | dutchfish yeah, bind isn't very big on my system either (smaller then apache and mysql by far), but it's still up there. most stuff is smaller then 4mb heh |
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| 00:52.47 | cmdln | mmm does anyone know how pam_mount passes authentication |
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| 00:52.52 | voltagex | xset m default, xset m 10000000000 doesn't do anything |
| 00:52.57 | voltagex | what number do I need? |
| 00:53.00 | Bushmills | simonrvn: yes, athlon 64, but running 32bit debian |
| 00:53.20 | simonrvn | voltagex: like i said, read the help |
| 00:53.26 | simonrvn | simonrvn> read the help |
| 00:53.46 | voltagex | simonrvn: yes, I've read it, it doesn't help |
| 00:53.57 | simonrvn | man it then |
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| 00:54.42 | AussieHatter | Guerin, yes i will |
| 00:55.11 | AussieHatter | anyone in this channel use gnome on etch much ? |
| 00:55.25 | simonrvn | nope |
| 00:55.47 | Bushmills | dutchfish: 770k with 1 domain |
| 00:56.02 | dutchfish | Bushmills, nice, and the package is also there for arm :) |
| 00:56.11 | voltagex | hmm, well xset m 100 1 doesn't help |
| 00:56.11 | Bushmills | likely, yes |
| 00:56.17 | FiendishFish | Why would an Linux system have port 25 open? |
| 00:56.20 | FiendishFish | If not hosting a SMTP server? |
| 00:56.32 | Bushmills | FiendishFish: smtp proxy? |
| 00:56.46 | dutchfish | FiendishFish, honeypot? |
| 00:56.47 | FiendishFish | Dunno. |
| 00:56.52 | FiendishFish | I didn't even know I had it open. |
| 00:56.55 | FiendishFish | z0mg h4x?! |
| 00:56.55 | Justin | FiendishFish: if the port is open, what happens when you connect to it? |
| 00:57.04 | FiendishFish | I haven't tried. |
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| 00:57.10 | Justin | FiendishFish: well, try! |
| 00:57.14 | Bushmills | FiendishFish: smtp server installed is not unusual |
| 00:57.15 | FiendishFish | I nmapped myself and it said: 25/tcp open smtp |
| 00:57.27 | FiendishFish | How would I connect to it? |
| 00:57.28 | Justin | !+open ports |
| 00:57.28 | dpkg | i guess open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
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| 00:57.35 | Bushmills | FiendishFish: telnet localhost 25 |
| 00:57.51 | Justin | FiendishFish: by 'myself' do you mean 'nmap localhost' or 'nmap externaladdress'? |
| 00:57.57 | nebM0ft | Which command lists where apt-get installed a pkg too? |
| 00:58.02 | FiendishFish | the former Justin. |
| 00:58.05 | Justin | nebM0ft: dpkg -L |
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| 00:58.15 | simonrvn | don't use nmap for localhost |
| 00:58.15 | nebM0ft | oh big L :) |
| 00:58.19 | Justin | FiendishFish: then it's probably not the kind of 'open' you are thinking of |
| 00:58.23 | rokra | what is the linux image K7 exactly? |
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| 00:58.33 | FiendishFish | I telnetted Justin and I got this message: 220 home ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:03:20 +0000 |
| 00:58.47 | simonrvn | so exim's running |
| 00:58.48 | bush | rokra: kernal image compiled for amd K7 processor |
| 00:58.48 | Bushmills | FiendishFish: exim is an smtp server |
| 00:58.56 | simonrvn | you do have an smtpd running |
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| 00:59.01 | FiendishFish | Does debian install it by default? :/ |
| 00:59.10 | FiendishFish | I'll rm the link in rc2.d |
| 00:59.12 | simonrvn | yes, cron needs it |
| 00:59.17 | rokra | bush: is it considered as k7 : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ |
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| 00:59.35 | beardy | !k7 |
| 00:59.35 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
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| 01:00.18 | beardy | rokra: So the answer for that one is, no. |
| 01:00.27 | FiendishFish | Is rpcbind nessceary to be open? Because I hear it's horribly exploitable? |
| 01:00.44 | rokra | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.19 | Justin | FiendishFish: if you aren't using nfs remove portmap and nfs-common |
| 01:01.23 | beardy | rokra: You're welcome :) |
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| 01:02.05 | FiendishFish | What is portmap for Justin? |
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| 01:02.08 | FiendishFish | And is it needed? |
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| 01:02.27 | FiendishFish | I understand what it's for* |
| 01:02.31 | FiendishFish | But Do I need it running? |
| 01:02.35 | joels | I've forwarded certain ports on my router to a debian box and a desktop, different ports. |
| 01:02.41 | joels | they are open on the desktop but not on the debian system |
| 01:03.00 | joels | I tried turning off any NAT filtering or firewalling completely and it seems ports are still closed on the debian box even with services running as root user |
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| 01:03.08 | rokra | beardy: If I install the linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 , is the system will be in 64 bits ? or it will be again in 32 bits? |
| 01:03.12 | nebM0ft | Is there any command available for etch that pastes stdin to one of the paste sites? (rafb.net/paste) |
| 01:03.13 | joels | is there any small stuff I can check on the debian box to see why the ports are still closed? |
| 01:03.17 | voltagex | I've tried everything I can see in the manpage, but xset isn't helping the mouse speed |
| 01:03.47 | joels | I'm checking with lynx and canyouseeme.org, as well as by checking if the httpd works from anything other than a local address |
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| 01:04.40 | spideRMonky | Hello, if im using 4 CPU's, how would be my average.. if im having 3.9? is it loaded ? |
| 01:04.42 | spideRMonky | with 4 cpus? |
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| 01:05.15 | Kevin` | spideRMonky almost fully loaded yes |
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| 01:06.38 | Nyle | man this router sucks |
| 01:06.40 | Kevin` | spideRMonky or rather, almost "ideally" loaded :) |
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| 01:07.18 | spideRMonky | Kevin` if i had 1 cpu.. and the load avergae is .9 |
| 01:07.24 | spideRMonky | is same saying almos ideally loaded ?? |
| 01:07.25 | joels | is it possible there's some NAT or firewall running I'm not aware of |
| 01:07.49 | spideRMonky | what i mean, if i have 4 cpus.. now i will worry when my load average is above 4.0 ? |
| 01:08.00 | spideRMonky | before... was 1.0 when i had 1 cpu. |
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| 01:08.07 | Kevin` | spideRMonky you should worry if it stays above 4 yes |
| 01:08.14 | joels | hmm |
| 01:08.20 | joels | I don't get this |
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| 01:08.46 | Kevin` | spideRMonky the number doesn't INCREASE because of the number of cpus remember, it increases because of load, but the system can handle more things at once |
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| 01:09.17 | Kevin` | hey |
| 01:09.32 | Kevin` | speaking of. is there a "load maximum" number or such? |
| 01:10.14 | joels | I compiled a lot of stuff into the kernel for making this boxz into a firewall which I am not actually using |
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| 01:10.15 | joels | could any of that be on without me knowing? |
| 01:10.18 | joels | is there a way to check |
| 01:10.23 | Kevin` | such that if you ran 100 while(1); processes for 1 second you would get a spike at 100 instead of 0.1 or such |
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| 01:11.02 | puff | Does this look right for a crontab line: 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /home/puff/foo/bar/cron.sh > /home/puff/foo/cron.log |
| 01:11.05 | Kevin` | joels most of that stuff will not have any/much effect without configuration |
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| 01:11.20 | joels | it's weird to me that the ports are closed then, Kevin` |
| 01:11.27 | puff | Or is there any way to have crontab tell me if it's bad? |
| 01:11.28 | Kevin` | puff you probably want >>, not > |
| 01:11.43 | joels | I tried opening them on the router to another machine on the network to rule out the router |
| 01:11.49 | joels | lighttpd and sshd aren't behaving :( |
| 01:12.13 | Kevin` | joels netstat -anp |
| 01:12.39 | puff | Kevin`: Good one... but otherwise it looks valid? 'cause I'm not seeing any change in the date/time stamp on the log file, nor on the output file from the cron.sh script. |
| 01:12.48 | Kevin` | puff looks ok to me |
| 01:13.11 | joels | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6083/lighttpd |
| 01:13.31 | puff | What perms does cron run udner? |
| 01:14.06 | Kevin` | puff yours |
| 01:14.17 | puff | That is, with that crontab line, I was assuming it woudl run under my... right. |
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| 01:14.47 | Kevin` | joels that looks right. odd port number. |
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| 01:14.55 | Kevin` | joels iptables-save |
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| 01:21.52 | puff | Does debian cron need a username in the crontab line? |
| 01:22.49 | abrotman | it has a man page |
| 01:22.54 | dondelelcaro | puff: depends on which crontab you're talking about. |
| 01:23.00 | click170 | Is there a way to redirect output from a program that is normally sent to the syslog? I was trying with 2>/dev/null but that's not giving me the affect I want. |
| 01:23.11 | borbus | I don't know because I just use cron.hourly etc |
| 01:23.16 | borbus | Even though that wasn't helpful at all |
| 01:23.22 | dondelelcaro | click170: programs that log to syslog call syslog(), so no. |
| 01:23.30 | dondelelcaro | borbus: cron.hourly runs as root. |
| 01:23.47 | dondelelcaro | (it's not even a crontab, it's just a set of scripts that /etc/crontab calls run-parts on by default) |
| 01:23.59 | click170 | dondelelcaro: Alright, but syslog does provide facilities to redirect it itself, yes? |
| 01:24.15 | dondelelcaro | click170: depends on the syslog implementation |
| 01:24.16 | Kevin` | how can I mark a package as uninstalled without doing anything? |
| 01:24.19 | puff | dondelelcaro: A user crontab. |
| 01:24.26 | puff | abrotman: I checked the man pages, they don't say. |
| 01:24.38 | dondelelcaro | puff: user crontabs don't have username fields. man 5 crontab; does tell you this... |
| 01:24.43 | click170 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Thats what I needed. |
| 01:24.53 | Kevin` | doing anything to the installed files, that is |
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| 01:25.07 | Cyr4x | anyone uses bmpx and can help me? |
| 01:25.13 | dondelelcaro | puff: see the difference beteween "example cron file" and "example system cron file" |
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| 01:25.50 | puff | dondelelcaro: Ah, I was trying "man crontab 5" and it was giving me the "man crontab" page. Thankis. |
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| 01:25.57 | lero | anyone experiencing problems burning iso to cd-r's on sid? |
| 01:25.58 | dondelelcaro | puff: time to man man; too. ;-) |
| 01:26.06 | dondelelcaro | lero: if someone was, there would be bugs filed. |
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| 01:28.00 | beardy | lero: You need to be more specific. Which program are you using, what error do you get? In what way don't you succeed? |
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| 01:29.59 | lero | beardy: wodim, sid. it starts and it don't pass from 0mb. i've tried with many medias and no success. it gives me errors like status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) or something like this |
| 01:30.24 | lero | gonna paste my erro on dpaste.com, wait |
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| 01:30.43 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:30.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 01:31.04 | streuner | !+tell lero -about sid faq |
| 01:31.04 | dpkg | told lero about sid faq. |
| 01:31.34 | streuner | Who cares about wodim much in future? |
| 01:31.40 | lero | http://dpaste.com/35841/ |
| 01:31.43 | puff | Ah, there we go... as it turned out it was the relative path in the cron.sh. |
| 01:31.48 | beardy | Check wodim for reported bugs, as the gentlemen pointed out above. |
| 01:32.01 | puff | Odd. |
| 01:32.08 | lero | yeah, i checked already, nothing related :~ |
| 01:32.21 | puff | Once I made that an absolute path, though, it all runs fine. |
| 01:32.33 | streuner | lero: what happens if you use the version out of etch? |
| 01:32.52 | FiendishFish | Hey, I have portmap running at startup, I dunno why, because I can't find the script which runs it in /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:33.16 | lero | streuner: i didn't tried yet :~ |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | FiendishFish: you can usually safely uninstall that |
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| 01:33.50 | beardy | lero: Try another iso. |
| 01:33.58 | dondelelcaro | FiendishFish: it's in /etc/rcS, because it's required to mount root nfs filesystems. |
| 01:34.28 | beardy | lero: "write track data: error after 1015808 bytes" after you tried another iso, to test it, try another burner |
| 01:35.02 | lero | beardy: it's the 4.0r3 iso i got right now, md5sum ok. i was trying to burn the 4.0r2, same problem |
| 01:35.10 | FiendishFish | 902/tcp open iss-realsecure-sensor |
| 01:35.10 | FiendishFish | # |
| 01:35.12 | beardy | lero: Ah. |
| 01:35.15 | FiendishFish | Does anyone have any idea what that service is? |
| 01:35.29 | beardy | lero: Well, speed 48? Try 4. |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | FiendishFish: cups ? |
| 01:36.32 | FiendishFish | abrotman, I can't see it in rc2.d or would it be in rcS.d |
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| 01:36.54 | abrotman | FiendishFish: fuser -n tcp 902 |
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| 01:37.16 | FiendishFish | 902/tcp: 2520 |
| 01:37.25 | FiendishFish | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.55 | FiendishFish | abrotman, Is it safe to rm S20openbsd-inetd link so it doesn't start at startup? |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | no |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | FiendishFish: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:38.19 | FiendishFish | abrotman, Stop the port 902 being open. |
| 01:38.24 | abrotman | FiendishFish: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:38.28 | FiendishFish | I'm closing all unnesscary ports. |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | on a server? |
| 01:38.36 | FiendishFish | On my pc. |
| 01:38.37 | FiendishFish | Yes. |
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| 01:39.07 | abrotman | FiendishFish: using vmware ? |
| 01:39.11 | FiendishFish | Na.w |
| 01:39.12 | FiendishFish | Naw. |
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| 01:39.33 | FiendishFish | home:/etc/rc2.d# apt-get remove vmware |
| 01:39.36 | FiendishFish | E: Couldn't find package vmware |
| 01:40.23 | SyntaXe | Hey folks, in the summer time I am going to administrate and setup the network to a LAN-party. And I need some help here, with DHCP and stuff. |
| 01:40.32 | FiendishFish | abrotman, the process inetd has port 902 and 113 open, and i've no clue why. |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | FiendishFish: what makes you think 902 is open ? |
| 01:40.53 | beardy | SyntaXe: #networking |
| 01:40.53 | FiendishFish | nmap. |
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| 01:41.31 | FiendishFish | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/909331 |
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| 01:42.03 | abrotman | FiendishFish: paste your /etc/inetd.conf |
| 01:42.26 | lero | beardy: same problem :~ |
| 01:42.41 | fiftysixer | FiendishFish, you figured out what the other port was? |
| 01:42.46 | beardy | lero: Do you have another burner to pop in? |
| 01:42.46 | FiendishFish | abrotman, I commented everything in it out, but hey. |
| 01:42.47 | fiftysixer | 11-something? |
| 01:42.51 | FiendishFish | fiftysixer, Yep. |
| 01:42.54 | FiendishFish | with fuser -n tcp 113 |
| 01:42.58 | fiftysixer | ah |
| 01:43.01 | FiendishFish | The process inetd is using it :/ |
| 01:43.03 | fiftysixer | :) |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | that's identd |
| 01:43.19 | abrotman | FiendishFish: did you restart inetd after commenting them out ? |
| 01:43.24 | FiendishFish | Meh. XD |
| 01:43.27 | FiendishFish | Let me try. |
| 01:43.51 | FiendishFish | There's no shell script to do so1? |
| 01:44.17 | abrotman | FiendishFish: kill -1 `pidof inetd` |
| 01:44.19 | beardy | lero: I'd try another burner, if that also fails, report a bug. Maybe report it even if you can't test it on another burner. |
| 01:44.50 | FiendishFish | abrotman, <3 |
| 01:44.55 | FiendishFish | Only ports open now are: 22/tcp open ssh |
| 01:44.55 | FiendishFish | 80/tcp open http |
| 01:44.55 | FiendishFish | 443/tcp open https |
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| 01:46.08 | lero | beardy: yeah. gonna try one dvd+rw, so i can see if it's my burner :~ |
| 01:47.19 | lero | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.29 | lero | dvd+rw is doing fine :~ |
| 01:47.41 | FiendishFish | Now the nmap troubles. |
| 01:48.03 | FiendishFish | Is anyone remotely skilled with nmap, because whenever I scan a network (apart from localhost) it shows EVERY possible port to be open :/ |
| 01:48.27 | beardy | lero: Well then, time for your burner to be made into robots or to spend it's retirement as cup holder permanently. |
| 01:48.57 | lero | beardy: it's new, about 6 months only :~ |
| 01:49.33 | cloakable | FiendishFish: Ever considered that you're just scanning some horribly insecure networks? ;) |
| 01:49.47 | FiendishFish | cloakable, I hope that was a joke. |
| 01:49.50 | lero | but anyway, i'll install etch and see if it burns fine, so i can define if it's unstable sid that has problems |
| 01:50.11 | cloakable | FiendishFish: Yes, as indicated by the ;) at the end |
| 01:50.16 | FiendishFish | xD |
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| 01:50.38 | lero | you guys runs etch on desktop? |
| 01:50.38 | nebM0ft | Can i remove a pkg with all of its dependencies? |
| 01:50.46 | cloakable | LP |
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| 01:50.52 | cloakable | :P |
| 01:50.57 | FiendishFish | lero, Yes. |
| 01:51.05 | azeem | lero: I have to deal with sarge on desktop at work |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | nebM0ft: how did you install it ? |
| 01:51.17 | nebM0ft | apt-get install |
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| 01:51.26 | abrotman | nebM0ft: you can't .. next time use aptitude |
| 01:51.28 | nebM0ft | but apt-get removes only removes the single pkg |
| 01:51.36 | lero | hmm, i like sid on desktop =] openoffice 2.4, pidgin 2.3, but i think i'll use etch + backports |
| 01:51.43 | beardy | nebM0ft: Run aptitude from now on. |
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| 01:51.56 | streuner | !deborphan |
| 01:51.56 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 01:52.00 | nebM0ft | I shall do as you say :) |
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| 01:52.10 | nebM0ft | dpkg aptitude |
| 01:52.10 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 01:52.37 | lontra | lero: oh ... oo.org2.4 is in sid ... sweet |
| 01:53.01 | lero | ii openoffice.org-writer 1:2.4.0~rc1-2 yeah =] |
| 01:53.14 | dvs | release candidate? |
| 01:53.20 | lontra | dvs: yp |
| 01:53.21 | lontra | yup |
| 01:53.36 | dvs | wouldn't touch it yet. |
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| 01:53.51 | nebM0ft | anyone knows what sun-java5-jdk comes with besides sun-java5-jre? |
| 01:54.17 | lero | dvs: it's working fine and have many new things against 2.0.4 that etch has |
| 01:55.55 | beardy | lero: Hmm, well, I hoep you can get a new one on warranty then. |
| 01:57.16 | beardy | lero: If the etch version can't use it either, that is. |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | nebM0ft: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 01:58.15 | nebM0ft | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:08.10 | DeathWolf | hum, how does find determine the last status change? |
| 02:08.23 | DeathWolf | (%C in find printf) |
| 02:08.34 | DeathWolf | I tried touch -c and touch -m, but both didnt change what that would print |
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| 02:10.54 | abrotman | DeathWolf: status change of what ? |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | DeathWolf: stat <file> ? |
| 02:11.10 | DeathWolf | right |
| 02:11.13 | DeathWolf | I forgot stat. |
| 02:11.49 | cleo | i want to install vga driver for laptop dell d400 |
| 02:11.50 | DeathWolf | any way to change the last change of stat? |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | cleo: which VGAcard is it ? |
| 02:12.29 | DeathWolf | *indicated by |
| 02:12.38 | cleo | i don't know |
| 02:13.33 | cleo | how can i know that abrotman |
| 02:13.40 | amphi | cleo: lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:14.26 | cleo | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
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| 02:15.12 | abrotman | cleo: did you install X yet? |
| 02:15.26 | voltagex | module-assistent is installing a whole lot of unneccessary stuff, is there any way to remove it? |
| 02:15.36 | cleo | no |
| 02:16.30 | cleo | abrotman |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | cleo: do you know which desktop environmnent you want to use > |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:17.15 | cleo | i'm using now kde |
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| 02:17.59 | abrotman | cleo: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 02:18.35 | cleo | abrotman |
| 02:18.38 | cleo | what is that |
| 02:18.43 | cleo | pakage |
| 02:19.20 | cleo | ??? |
| 02:19.20 | lontra | cleo: or you could run aptitude install kde-desktop |
| 02:19.47 | cleo | i'm using kde |
| 02:19.49 | cleo | now |
| 02:19.56 | voltagex | lontra: what's the difference between apt-get install kde and apt-get install kde-desktop? |
| 02:19.59 | lontra | cleo: so X works then |
| 02:20.07 | cleo | ok |
| 02:20.12 | lontra | cleo: why did you tell abrotman you didn't have X installed? |
| 02:20.27 | cleo | but when i run vlc to see some videos i don't see it very well |
| 02:20.27 | lontra | voltagex: kde-desktop is a task ... you can run it with either aptitude or tasksel |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | cleo: your video driver is already correct |
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| 02:21.02 | cleo | ok |
| 02:21.08 | voltagex | is there any way to remove all the unneeded -source packages that module-assistant installs? |
| 02:21.18 | lontra | voltagex: kde-desktop is installing what you'd get with the debian kde cd (extra desktop packages like gimp, iceweasel, and others) |
| 02:21.18 | cleo | and why the video have not all color |
| 02:21.32 | lontra | voltagex: apt-get install kde would just give you a full kde w/o the extra desktop goodies |
| 02:21.36 | voltagex | lontra: ah ok, thanks |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | voltagex: they are needed |
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| 02:21.54 | voltagex | abrotman: not if I don't have the hardware the drivers are for |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | then why did you install them ? |
| 02:22.38 | voltagex | I didn't - when I went to install linux-uvc, m-a complained that it didn't exist, and downloaded all this other stuff |
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| 02:23.33 | voltagex | and the build of linux-uvc failed anyway :( |
| 02:23.37 | voltagex | whole lot of errors |
| 02:23.44 | voltagex | no missing .h files or anything like that |
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| 02:29.00 | charzero | Is there a program that will attempt to write to and read from every block of a drive to check for hardware failure? |
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| 02:29.39 | Nyle | tbadblocks |
| 02:29.40 | Nyle | -t |
| 02:29.47 | Nyle | charzero: badblocks |
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| 02:32.59 | DeathWolf | okay... rather than tempering with the inode directly, changing the date worked fine. |
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| 02:33.03 | DeathWolf | (temporarily of course) |
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| 02:44.49 | Facedown | what's a good *GUI* ftp program? |
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| 02:45.09 | cizzi | Facedown - winscp |
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| 02:45.54 | abrotman | cizzi: in linux ? |
| 02:46.02 | cizzi | oh no.. windows |
| 02:46.05 | cizzi | linux i'm not sure |
| 02:46.07 | Facedown | this is #debian.. |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | he didn't ask that |
| 02:46.24 | Facedown | how do i ping in linux? |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | Facedown: most GUI file managers do ftp |
| 02:46.28 | abrotman | Facedown: ping |
| 02:46.43 | Facedown | wow |
| 02:46.47 | Facedown | wasn't using brain cells for a sec |
| 02:46.48 | Facedown | lmfao |
| 02:48.33 | akuwamari | hi |
| 02:48.46 | akuwamari | i need to print a pdf document using xpdf |
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| 02:49.09 | streuner | akuwamari: CUPS? |
| 02:49.16 | akuwamari | but when i try to print, i only see Print with command: lpr |
| 02:49.31 | akuwamari | there is no more options |
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| 02:50.11 | streuner | if you using CUPS install cupsys-bsd |
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| 02:52.37 | streuner | akuwamari: what kind of options do you want? |
| 02:53.28 | akuwamari | well |
| 02:53.35 | akuwamari | i have adobe reader |
| 02:53.58 | nepbabu | is there someone here who've used firefox beta3? |
| 02:53.58 | akuwamari | and with that i can see my printers installed using cups |
| 02:54.37 | gourmand | nepbabu: yes, played with it for an hour or two... |
| 02:55.02 | nepbabu | gourmand, cool. want to know sth from you. :) you have 5 mins? |
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| 02:56.07 | nepbabu | gourmand, it's not a poll if you think that's what it is. :P |
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| 02:56.57 | gourmand | nepbabu: what's up? |
| 02:57.10 | nepbabu | gourmand, i just got this fresh binary with checksum done from firefox website. it sends some packet to localhost:16001 and writes some fixed-bytes called 'NDNE'. if that works then only ff b3 starts. otherwise nada. it won't start |
| 02:57.15 | nepbabu | gourmand, can you confirm that? |
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| 02:57.33 | eshaase | is it normal for screen to take up 10MB using the default settings? |
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| 02:57.43 | nepbabu | i am wondering if this is some feature or bug |
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| 02:58.06 | streuner | akuwamari: ever tried apt-cache search pdf viewer? |
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| 02:59.13 | nepbabu | gourmand, are you with me? |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | nepbabu: irc.mozilla.com |
| 03:00.25 | nepbabu | abrotman, ok man.. i came here from #firefox.. but that's ok. <sigh> |
| 03:00.37 | gourmand | nepbabu: what's big deal if it is localhost? it is probably that brand new sqlite bookmarks manager backend or smth... |
| 03:00.46 | abrotman | nepbabu: it's their application .. if they can tell you that it's definitely debian .. that's great |
| 03:00.54 | nepbabu | abrotman, sure. |
| 03:01.09 | nepbabu | gourmand, what do you mean? |
| 03:03.29 | jamesrdorn | hey guys, installing debian on this nforce mb - the installer fails right when it runs grub-install, runing this manualy as "sudo grub-install --file-directory=/target /dev/sda gives me "grub-install: the file /target/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" any ideas? |
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| 03:04.32 | streuner | Whats the exact URL (download)? |
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| 03:06.36 | streuner | jamesrdorn: daily built? |
| 03:06.51 | Nyle | I just went to freebsd channel and asked them if they had a netinstall/netboot method similar to debian, and they all got pissed off at why i mentioned another os. I said well damn, the documentation doesn't list any install method like that, which is what I like. I never said anything negative about freebsd, just said, you know XXX can do this, can freebsd, I tried to search and couldn't find it |
| 03:07.11 | Nyle | that shit was crazy, I'm sorry, how is it my fault that you guys make a mean fucking OS? |
| 03:07.30 | streuner | and why do you wonder about? |
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| 03:07.44 | jamesrdorn | stackpointer, sorry, newest release |
| 03:07.53 | jamesrdorn | I get the same problem w/ ubuntu 7.10 |
| 03:08.20 | Nyle | what is it that you can't do with debian |
| 03:08.21 | amphi | Nyle: the answer was presumably 'no' ;) |
| 03:08.22 | jamesrdorn | a df shows /target is mounted as /dev/sda5 |
| 03:08.26 | streuner | Imagine someone comes here and would say, "Hey, there is an easy way in $random distro, do you have the same?" |
| 03:08.42 | Nyle | im sorry |
| 03:08.57 | Nyle | if an nix/nux based OS can't do a fucking simple netboot install method |
| 03:08.58 | Nyle | its not worth using |
| 03:09.00 | Nyle | fuck it. |
| 03:09.39 | streuner | Nyle: Debian is easy, only a few people dont know that :-) |
| 03:09.47 | Nyle | easy? |
| 03:09.49 | Nyle | c'mon man |
| 03:09.56 | streuner | yeah, easy |
| 03:09.58 | Nyle | for you maybe |
| 03:10.00 | Nyle | and me |
| 03:10.14 | Nyle | I asked them plese pretend for a second that I'm not a noob |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | wrong channel |
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| 03:10.39 | Nyle | but you see noobs in here all the time |
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| 03:10.46 | Nyle | debian isn't THAT easy dude |
| 03:10.55 | Nyle | sure apt-get makes thigns esy but c'mon |
| 03:10.59 | amphi | what's hard? |
| 03:11.06 | Bushmills | streuner, often enough questions of that kind are asked. like "is there a way to do this and that the way this prog does it in windows" for example |
| 03:11.12 | Nyle | what you don't know, is what is hard. |
| 03:11.19 | Nyle | when you know, its a piece of cake |
| 03:11.25 | Nyle | thats all i'm sayin |
| 03:12.02 | Nyle | plus not everyone has the same level of comprehension etc. |
| 03:12.16 | Nyle | you can't say debian is easy or hard, it just is.. depends on who is using it |
| 03:12.23 | streuner | Nyle: when i started to use Linux, we had to read plenty of docs in order to get a videocard to work, nowadays you just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, done |
| 03:12.58 | streuner | Nyle: and you have always google and plenty of docs in the web |
| 03:13.13 | Nyle | streuner: yes and that depends on the person |
| 03:13.22 | akuwamari | damm |
| 03:13.25 | Nyle | some noob tries drxx and then has no idea wtf the options mean |
| 03:13.28 | streuner | Nyle: if you using other OS you have to learn and read too... |
| 03:13.30 | Nyle | see.. hard for him |
| 03:13.32 | akuwamari | i have problems with Adobe Reader |
| 03:13.43 | akuwamari | it close when i seeing the last pages |
| 03:13.47 | Nyle | streuner: yeh.. of course |
| 03:13.51 | akuwamari | i scan the document again |
| 03:13.57 | Linuturk | akuwamari: everyone has problems with adobe reader ;p |
| 03:13.59 | akuwamari | but the problem is there again |
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| 03:14.12 | akuwamari | adobe reader in linux sock |
| 03:14.18 | Nyle | but its not that, its the fact that they were completely assholes cuz i happened to compare bsd to debian (innocently I might add) |
| 03:14.31 | akuwamari | is there any another viewer |
| 03:14.35 | akuwamari | i use xpdf |
| 03:14.41 | deadlyallance099 | is there a debian based distro for tablets ? |
| 03:14.44 | akuwamari | but is there another? |
| 03:14.48 | Bushmills | akuwamari: evince, xpdf, some more |
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| 03:15.13 | Nyle | and I still disagree. debian isn't easy, it just depends on who is using it. Is it easier to use than most distros because of the tools it has developed for system management, yes. |
| 03:15.28 | Nyle | i agree that it makes things easy, but its not easy |
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| 03:15.34 | akuwamari | installing evince |
| 03:15.41 | b0xt | hello |
| 03:16.07 | lontra | akuwamari: there's also kpdf and okular in kde4 (but that's in experimental) |
| 03:16.16 | Nyle | streuner: you want easy? try ubuntu |
| 03:16.30 | streuner | Nyle: i just installed Debian on my new Laptop (Toshiba L-40) |
| 03:16.30 | Bushmills | epdfview is a lighter one |
| 03:16.31 | Nyle | they try to make it really easy |
| 03:16.43 | akuwamari | streuner |
| 03:16.44 | lontra | and w/o the brown poo |
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| 03:16.58 | egypcio | Nyle; freebsd is easy....... the handbook helps a lot |
| 03:17.06 | Nyle | I never said it was har |
| 03:17.07 | abrotman | Nyle: FWIW .. ask them if you can use the "bootonly" to install |
| 03:17.12 | voltagex | I'm getting /usr/src/isight-firmware-tools-1.0.2/src/extract.c:387: undefined reference to `g_option_context_get_help' |
| 03:17.17 | Nyle | abrotman: does not serve my purpoe |
| 03:17.21 | streuner | Nyle: the only thing was the wlan NIC (Atheros) and its brandnew chipset (one of 1000.000 chipsets around...) |
| 03:17.25 | abrotman | to install ? |
| 03:17.25 | voltagex | when trying to compile isight-firmware-tools |
| 03:17.28 | Nyle | I only went in ther to ask because nowhere in the docs was a pure netboot listed |
| 03:17.33 | egypcio | you asked about some netinstall...... |
| 03:17.45 | egypcio | well.., you can use sysinstall to do that |
| 03:18.09 | egypcio | get some stuff from the main ftp site (example) |
| 03:18.14 | Nyle | and apparantly, they also confirmed it |
| 03:18.17 | streuner | egypcio: Wrong :-) - you *have* to read (handbook) and that isnt easy than :-) |
| 03:18.18 | akuwamari | ready |
| 03:18.29 | Nyle | and my thing is, if you can't netboot, then fuck it, cuz its a pos anyway. |
| 03:18.29 | akuwamari | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 03:18.59 | Bushmills | and pdfcube which changes pages mapped on a turning cube.. added value of that is very limited. |
| 03:19.17 | Nyle | openbsd supports a (hacked way) of doing netinstall but still it has something |
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| 03:19.21 | Bushmills | and that's not a great pdf viewer |
| 03:19.24 | egypcio | streuner; lol (: |
| 03:19.24 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 03:22.33 | deadlyallance099 | is there a debian based distro for tablet pc's ? |
| 03:22.40 | Nyle | in other words, hd installer, start the freebsd installer from the hd, and its not listed, so i went to go find out about it, then they this. |
| 03:22.43 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 03:22.57 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: debian should work on tablet pc |
| 03:23.09 | Nyle | im sure it support a tablet input method |
| 03:23.12 | Nyle | in X |
| 03:23.17 | Linuturk | deadlyallance099: no. debian should work though. It will take configuring though. |
| 03:23.24 | nevyn | dasher. |
| 03:23.58 | Nyle | streuner: and you know better than to tell me to read docs |
| 03:24.06 | Nyle | streuner: I always read docs :) |
| 03:24.10 | Bushmills | gok is a virtual keyboard for touch screens. gnomish, though |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | dunno .. seems like that bootonly can be used as an installer .. totally offtopic .. move on .. |
| 03:24.51 | deadlyallance099 | linuturk so far i am considering eather dreamlinux (morphix/debian) or gentoo what do you think ? |
| 03:25.02 | Nyle | abrotman: yeh well if they werent' dicks I might have considered it. I'm going to stick to debian, openbsd, and windows |
| 03:25.07 | Nyle | fuck the rest of em |
| 03:25.13 | abrotman | carry on |
| 03:25.15 | Nyle | Bushmills: wacom? |
| 03:25.32 | Nyle | i know ubuntu installs that wacom input method crap for tablet pc |
| 03:25.35 | Nyle | w/e that is |
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| 03:25.40 | Linuturk | deadlyallance099: well, I have a toshiba R15-S822. it used wacom. I used Ubuntu on it for the longest time, and it worked well after a little configuring |
| 03:25.54 | Bushmills | Nyle: should work with digitizer tablets, though I though of touchscreens. |
| 03:26.00 | Bushmills | thought |
| 03:26.02 | Nyle | i know |
| 03:26.04 | Linuturk | deadlyallance099: after a little fiddling, I even had the buttons and screen rotation working |
| 03:26.10 | Nyle | touchscren not same as tablet (kinda) |
| 03:26.22 | streuner | Linuturk; do you read /topic when you join a channel or do you ignore always that? |
| 03:26.23 | Linuturk | right Nyle |
| 03:26.29 | Killab33z | can i install a debian binary on a fedora system? |
| 03:26.39 | Nyle | Killab33z: alien might help |
| 03:26.46 | Nyle | Killab33z: why? |
| 03:26.46 | Linuturk | streuner: what are you talking about? |
| 03:26.50 | streuner | Killab33z: ask #fedora or such |
| 03:26.53 | Nyle | Killab33z: if you are on fedora please ask #fedora |
| 03:27.07 | Nyle | if you are not using debian, then please go elsewhere |
| 03:27.32 | deadlyallance099 | linuturk sweet i am waiting for my hp tx1000z to get hear and cant wait to wipe vista |
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| 03:27.50 | Linuturk | streuner: I was just talking about my experiences with a tablet pc, as deadlyallance099 was asking |
| 03:28.31 | deadlyallance099 | linuturk what did you have to do to get the rotation to work ? |
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| 03:29.02 | Linuturk | deadlyallance099: well, I used the xrandr command, but you have to make sure your video card (and driver) support it |
| 03:29.38 | deadlyallance099 | linuturk i got the nvidia go ...what did you have |
| 03:29.48 | Linuturk | deadlyallance099: intel intergrated |
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| 03:29.56 | Linuturk | i810 driver |
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| 03:30.11 | abrotman | *cringe* |
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| 03:30.55 | Nyle | I sold em acid |
| 03:31.06 | abrotman | Nyle: wrong channel ? |
| 03:31.09 | streuner | DOH |
| 03:31.13 | deadlyallance099 | linuturk yeah i figure i will have most problem with that and the whole webcam/mic/fingerprintscanner/tvtunner remote |
| 03:31.21 | Nyle | ohohohoh |
| 03:31.23 | Nyle | whoooops |
| 03:31.29 | Linuturk | lol |
| 03:31.31 | Nyle | this was supposed to be #music |
| 03:31.33 | Nyle | haha |
| 03:31.44 | abrotman | try to keep your illegal activities out of this channel |
| 03:32.18 | deadlyallance099 | i am sure nyle was talking about the music program acid |
| 03:32.19 | Nyle | ok, will do. |
| 03:32.26 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: yes, I was |
| 03:32.30 | deadlyallance099 | lol |
| 03:32.55 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: the choice was pro tools or acid |
| 03:33.09 | deadlyallance099 | acid any day of the week |
| 03:33.14 | Nyle | I prefer a linux based recording studio |
| 03:33.18 | b0xt | why no peyote? |
| 03:33.21 | deadlyallance099 | nyle have you tryed ubuntu studio ? |
| 03:33.26 | Nyle | no |
| 03:33.31 | deadlyallance099 | it rocks |
| 03:33.31 | diogenes_ | someone knows to say what happened with the servers of the debian, i am not update security.debian.org |
| 03:33.34 | Nyle | I have not, and will not. FUCK ubuntu. |
| 03:33.34 | deadlyallance099 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.43 | Nyle | I can setup everything on my own |
| 03:33.45 | Nyle | I don't need ubuntu |
| 03:33.49 | jetscreamer | i heard peyote or mescaline is legal in texas... like i believe them |
| 03:33.55 | Nyle | thank you though, I'll let others know about it |
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| 03:34.06 | b0xt | only if you posess the proper ethnic origin,.. i'd think. |
| 03:34.08 | deadlyallance099 | peyote is leagel in wyoming |
| 03:34.11 | roler | how do I undo an iptables -j DROP ? |
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| 03:34.17 | Nyle | dude |
| 03:34.18 | streuner | jetscreamer: well, the earth isnt round :-) |
| 03:34.31 | Nyle | streuner: what planet do you liv eon? |
| 03:34.38 | Nyle | ohohohohoho, burn! |
| 03:34.40 | jetscreamer | it's more ovaltine |
| 03:34.41 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 03:35.01 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: you have a studio? |
| 03:35.06 | Nyle | or a recording setup on computer? |
| 03:35.07 | amphi | oblate |
| 03:35.07 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:35.07 | dpkg | [ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:35.21 | deadlyallance099 | used to now i just play for fun |
| 03:35.27 | jetscreamer | ubuntu studio jus tdepends on stuff .. a metapackage, iirc |
| 03:35.29 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 03:35.31 | egypcio | roler; iptables -D (blablablabla) -j DROP |
| 03:35.35 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: in debian? |
| 03:35.41 | roler | thank you ;) |
| 03:35.47 | deadlyallance099 | yeah |
| 03:35.47 | Bushmills | roler, shouldn't do anything because not stated what to do (insert, add rule) |
| 03:35.48 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: which softwares did you use? |
| 03:35.59 | Bushmills | roler, thus no need to undo |
| 03:36.18 | deadlyallance099 | id have to look i had about 50 diff software all jack and alsa stuff |
| 03:36.29 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: any special hardware? |
| 03:36.43 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: hm. I use primarliy audacity for my multitracking |
| 03:36.46 | Nyle | btw I use sid |
| 03:36.49 | deadlyallance099 | i remember 1 i realey like let me scratch mp3's with the touchpad but cant remember the name |
| 03:36.59 | Nyle | and hydrogen for my drum programming |
| 03:37.10 | Nyle | I think thats about it |
| 03:37.23 | deadlyallance099 | hydrogen is so nice |
| 03:37.31 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: cool, I awa program that scratches with mouse too |
| 03:37.32 | roler | thanks guys got it |
| 03:37.37 | Nyle | apt-cache search scratch |
| 03:37.39 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:37.48 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 03:37.58 | Nyle | awa/saw |
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| 03:38.22 | deadlyallance099 | i mostly used the studio to make me sound better and make mash up's |
| 03:38.33 | Nyle | deadlyallance099: #music |
| 03:38.36 | deadlyallance099 | distort my bad voice |
| 03:38.48 | deadlyallance099 | join #music |
| 03:38.52 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:39.02 | egypcio | joint? |
| 03:39.07 | egypcio | =O |
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| 03:39.08 | deadlyallance099 | sorry forgot the slash |
| 03:39.32 | streuner | egypcio: hehe :-) |
| 03:39.41 | Nyle | of course |
| 03:39.44 | Nyle | just look at my ident |
| 03:40.12 | Nyle | :D |
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| 03:40.31 | egypcio | cheech and chong |
| 03:40.46 | abrotman | jesus .. enough .. take it elsewhere |
| 03:41.18 | Nyle | shoulda said that 2 thousand years ago |
| 03:41.21 | Nyle | might have been useful. |
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| 03:41.34 | abrotman | it's just as useful now .. |
| 03:41.39 | BIOSboiler | hi |
| 03:41.41 | streuner | poor abrotman, only a short time op and now _that_ |
| 03:41.47 | Nyle | nah, them jesus people aint goin no where |
| 03:41.54 | Nyle | BIOSboiler: hi |
| 03:42.14 | BIOSboiler | hey Nyle, have u ever installed an app called squirrelmail? |
| 03:42.39 | streuner | many webmailer sucks, because they are based on php |
| 03:42.59 | abrotman | streuner: do you think python makes webmail better? |
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| 03:43.00 | streuner | BIOSboiler: just use ilohamail |
| 03:43.07 | xlotlu | can a computer behave like a usb mass storage device? |
| 03:43.19 | streuner | abrotman: no idea |
| 03:43.29 | abrotman | streuner: so why does php make it magically worse? |
| 03:43.33 | Bushmills | I'm using squirrel |
| 03:43.38 | streuner | lots of security holes |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | xlotlu: why not just use a network filesystem |
| 03:43.52 | abrotman | streuner: that has nothing to do with making webmail worse |
| 03:44.00 | egypcio | NAS, xlotlu? |
| 03:44.01 | streuner | oh, sure :-) |
| 03:44.04 | xlotlu | abrotman: i was just wondering |
| 03:44.49 | abrotman | xlotlu: i guess you could if it showed up as a device instead of a host |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | BIOSboiler: there is a #squirrelmail |
| 03:45.20 | xlotlu | egypcio: no, i'm messing up with my future box, and sick of burning stuff to my only rewriteable... and can't find my usb pen |
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| 03:46.12 | b0xt | later all.. |
| 03:46.15 | Bushmills | xlotlu: then a usbnet cable may be just right for you |
| 03:47.39 | xlotlu | Bushmills: afai can tell that only does eth over usb |
| 03:48.21 | Bushmills | xlotlu: you mount an usbstick. you mount an nfs export. both are mounted. |
| 03:48.39 | xlotlu | Bushmills: i wanna boot from it |
| 03:48.44 | tomd123 | is debian a little harder then ubuntu to use, it looks the same to me. |
| 03:49.01 | abrotman | tomd123: for some things .. yes |
| 03:49.35 | Bushmills | xlotlu: considered net booting? |
| 03:49.56 | tomd123 | will it be worth my time to use debian to learn more linux or should I just go down a step harder? |
| 03:50.09 | xlotlu | Bushmills: i did -- to lazy to set it up |
| 03:50.34 | Bushmills | tomd123: no. debian is a complete waste of time |
| 03:50.36 | abrotman | tomd123: well .. we like debian :) |
| 03:50.36 | streuner | tomd123: if you have to ask just start with Debian ;-) |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | Bushmills: you forgot your smiley! |
| 03:51.16 | Bushmills | abrotman: would have given me away |
| 03:51.33 | streuner | tomd123: if you are machosist you could use LFS :-) |
| 03:51.34 | abrotman | !SDNWOTW |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | darn |
| 03:51.46 | abrotman | !SDNWOTN |
| 03:51.46 | dpkg | sdnwotn is, like, Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 03:51.47 | tomd123 | k streuner, + I'm guilty of overusing the synaptic pm that's why I was trying to try something harder |
| 03:51.48 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:52.16 | abrotman | oh .. we should have jetscreamer show him dselect ... |
| 03:52.22 | tomd123 | streuner, tried, it got to a point where I didn't understand the things I was typing in that's why I went to something easier |
| 03:52.29 | streuner | abrotman: haha |
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| 03:53.20 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 03:53.20 | dpkg | from memory, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see <fix-unmet> |
| 03:53.46 | streuner | tomd123: Debian is good, if you are able to read man pages and willing to learn |
| 03:54.01 | jetscreamer | man pages can be optional |
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| 03:54.10 | freezer_ | hi |
| 03:54.18 | jetscreamer | hi ubuntu guy |
| 03:54.22 | freezer_ | :D |
| 03:54.47 | streuner | freezer_: well, you are the one we missed much, specially with *bunt* |
| 03:54.53 | Bushmills | some seem to think "I don't need man pages - there are folks on #debian I can ask" |
| 03:55.00 | tomd123 | would you recommend a distro slightly harder to use other then debian? or should i just stick with it? |
| 03:55.00 | jetscreamer | freezer_: ok so you're running 'debian' on the other box, and... |
| 03:55.16 | freezer_ | have to resize my LUKS dmcrypt fs |
| 03:55.21 | Bushmills | but they fail to consider that any possibly answer will still have to be read |
| 03:55.37 | abrotman | tomd123: give it a whirl ... |
| 03:55.51 | jetscreamer | tomd123: well if you want it all, lfs |
| 03:56.09 | jetscreamer | !lfs |
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| 03:56.09 | dpkg | i guess lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch> |
| 03:56.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:56.18 | tomd123 | jetscreamer, " streuner, tried, it got to a point where I didn't understand the things I was typing in that's why I went to something easier" |
| 03:56.32 | jetscreamer | tomd123: debian is fine to learn |
| 03:56.33 | abrotman | tomd123: some people find debian pretty easy .. some think it's a horrific way to spend time on your computer .. try it .. it can't hurt |
| 03:56.47 | jetscreamer | tomd123: or try many at the same time |
| 03:56.48 | tomd123 | abrotman, k, This week will be known as D-Week |
| 03:57.04 | abrotman | tomd123: next week will be "WTF was i thinking"-week |
| 03:57.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:57.19 | tomd123 | Ill give Debian a try for a week :) |
| 03:58.22 | Bushmills | when I installed debian the first time, I was disappointed. |
| 03:58.32 | jetscreamer | i was kinda lost |
| 03:58.35 | jetscreamer | woody |
| 03:58.42 | Bushmills | read things like "hands on .." .. and ... |
| 03:58.45 | jetscreamer | gnome was so fugly |
| 03:58.52 | tomd123 | I don't feel disappointed, I just feel like it's the exact same thing as ubuntu |
| 03:58.54 | Bushmills | it had an *installation menu* |
| 03:59.12 | Bushmills | complete disillusion ... |
| 03:59.13 | abrotman | Bushmills: it can be hands on if you want .. |
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| 03:59.38 | Bushmills | abrotman: I came from SLS, manual floppy installation |
| 03:59.39 | freezer_ | how long does it take to shrink a FS 8gb? |
| 03:59.50 | jetscreamer | tomd123: no, ubuntu is just like debian except in a 'watered down fed to you in a spoon after they chew it for you' way |
| 03:59.55 | abrotman | Bushmills: i still install via floppy sometimes ... what's your point? |
| 04:00.20 | Bushmills | no installation scripts or support. manually everything |
| 04:00.41 | streuner | abrotman: he surely installed SLS with 10 base and 20 X floppies... |
| 04:00.44 | Bushmills | write boot loader with dd ... |
| 04:00.59 | Bushmills | streuner: right |
| 04:01.07 | streuner | abrotman: in 92-93... |
| 04:01.12 | abrotman | Bushmills: uh .. i've been using debian for a long time .. and it can be that basic .. but the normal isntaller has had more capability than that since i started using it |
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| 04:01.57 | Bushmills | abrotman: that's was the discrepancy between my expectations and the debian reality at that time |
| 04:02.11 | Bushmills | I looked for something more manual than SLS then .. |
| 04:02.15 | abrotman | Bushmills: rough life :) |
| 04:02.45 | Bushmills | not knowing that it couldn't get much more to the rocl bottom than that |
| 04:02.50 | freezer_ | anyone has a thinkpad T4x? |
| 04:02.59 | streuner | plenty |
| 04:03.12 | freezer_ | i bought a ultrabay CDRW |
| 04:03.14 | streuner | freezer_: ever tried linux-laptops.net |
| 04:03.25 | streuner | and? |
| 04:03.30 | streuner | it doesnt work? |
| 04:03.31 | freezer_ | but it turned out that it was a version for T6x |
| 04:03.34 | freezer_ | it still works |
| 04:03.59 | freezer_ | but the bezel is flat and not curved like the normal T4x ultrabay bezels |
| 04:04.11 | abrotman | freezer_: how is this relevant ? |
| 04:04.22 | freezer_ | i think it's more an optical issue |
| 04:04.48 | freezer_ | but i was wonderin if there could come some dust inside, since it's not 100% closed now |
| 04:06.23 | streuner | freezer_: what do you doing there (.au)? |
| 04:06.40 | freezer_ | at the moment looking for a new work |
| 04:06.45 | Bushmills | if it sits in a computer, and has slots to the outside through which the fan sucks in air - it will get dusty |
| 04:07.38 | tomd123 | Can someone give me some things that are harder for debian than ubuntu? configuration |
| 04:07.56 | Bushmills | seems to be a natural law. if something can be pushed in, dust will accumulate |
| 04:07.59 | abrotman | tomd123: it depends how you do stuff .. |
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| 04:11.39 | jetscreamer | how exciting |
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| 04:12.08 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 04:12.08 | streuner | netsplits happen, thats pretty normal on large irc servers |
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| 04:12.08 | jetscreamer | oh thank god, i thought the world was coming to an end |
| 04:12.08 | freezer_ | it shouldn't happen |
| 04:12.08 | freezer_ | what the fuck are we paying for |
| 04:12.09 | jetscreamer | or teh intarweb was crashing |
| 04:12.09 | jetscreamer | irc, pay? |
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| 04:12.09 | jetscreamer | you pay for irc? |
| 04:12.09 | jetscreamer | let me sell you some, cheaper |
| 04:12.09 | freezer_ | don't you pay the $5 fee per month? |
| 04:12.09 | jetscreamer | i'll give it to you for 4.95 |
| 04:12.09 | streuner | freezer_: no |
| 04:12.09 | freezer_ | IRC pirates!!!! |
| 04:12.10 | freezer_ | i will call the police |
| 04:12.10 | jetscreamer | and i'll even throw in a free month at the end of your 99year contract |
| 04:12.16 | dererk | jetscreamer, it's possible to make donations to PDPC |
| 04:12.34 | dererk | Which manages FreeNode |
| 04:12.37 | jetscreamer | well yeah, i know about the 1337 hostmasks dererk :) |
| 04:12.40 | dererk | But I guess you know that :P |
| 04:12.47 | dererk | jetscreamer, see :P |
| 04:12.51 | jetscreamer | i should get me one |
| 04:13.00 | Bushmills | I'll give it for 10$, but I'll pack a nice collection of URLs with it. |
| 04:13.19 | dererk | freezer_, hehe |
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| 04:13.48 | jetscreamer | at&t is taking over |
| 04:13.58 | freezer_ | ya |
| 04:14.07 | freezer_ | taking over all the coffee |
| 04:14.20 | jetscreamer | i see a lot more of those hostmasks |
| 04:14.31 | jetscreamer | lately |
| 04:14.34 | freezer_ | they kick tmobile out of Starbucks |
| 04:14.42 | dererk | jetscreamer, there's a easy way to do that |
| 04:14.42 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 04:14.53 | jetscreamer | yeah i read about the at&t hotspots |
| 04:14.55 | dererk | do same crappy shit for ubunters |
| 04:14.56 | dererk | :P |
| 04:15.05 | jetscreamer | dererk: donate? |
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| 04:15.22 | dererk | they throw away lots of group cloacks :P |
| 04:15.22 | Bushmills | plural of donut |
| 04:15.32 | jetscreamer | i help in ubuntu 'sometimes', when i'm bored |
| 04:15.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:15.40 | simonrvn | cloacas |
| 04:15.41 | jetscreamer | i have a cloak |
| 04:15.44 | jetscreamer | lilo gave it to me |
| 04:15.51 | simonrvn | same |
| 04:15.58 | dererk | *me sighs* |
| 04:16.02 | dererk | ehm :) |
| 04:16.13 | dererk | Me too :'( |
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| 04:16.21 | jetscreamer | i never met him even though i only lived a couple miles from |
| 04:16.28 | freezer_ | streuner: don't you ever sleep? |
| 04:16.31 | ubd | is there a way to manually set cpu frequency |
| 04:16.38 | jetscreamer | yes ubd |
| 04:16.47 | dererk | jetscreamer, to be honest, I never met my next door neighbour |
| 04:16.48 | jetscreamer | tweak the clock |
| 04:16.55 | dererk | besides he lives 10 meters from me :) |
| 04:17.10 | ubd | jetscreamer: is it distro specific and how do i do that |
| 04:17.16 | freezer_ | dererk: you avoid social interaction? |
| 04:17.20 | streuner | freezer_: later, i slept before |
| 04:17.28 | jetscreamer | dererk: i've only met two of my neighbors, and that's just cuz my wife did it |
| 04:17.29 | freezer_ | streuner: lol |
| 04:17.30 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:17.39 | freezer_ | streuner: what kind of work do u do? |
| 04:17.45 | dererk | freezer_, no, not really, Different working hours I guess |
| 04:17.58 | dererk | jetscreamer, lol |
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| 04:18.08 | dererk | freezer_, do you? :) |
| 04:18.14 | RyanRyan52 | virtualbox is broken on my system somehow: |
| 04:18.15 | RyanRyan52 | /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: undefined symbol: stat64 |
| 04:18.18 | jetscreamer | ubd: i really can't tell you how to do it under linux, i know it can be done in general, so must in linux |
| 04:18.28 | freezer_ | dererk: no no |
| 04:18.35 | RyanRyan52 | How do I fix it? |
| 04:18.38 | dererk | freezer_, :) |
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| 04:19.18 | freezer_ | just yesterday i spend an hour with my female-chinese-roommate and her chinese windows xp -- very exciting |
| 04:19.27 | ubd | i hate digital stuff!!!!! |
| 04:19.28 | jetscreamer | but isn't there some interface to cpu freq scaling somewhere |
| 04:19.36 | simonrvn | stat64... sounds like you're missing a library/wrong version |
| 04:19.44 | dererk | freezer_, ROTFL!!!!!!!! |
| 04:19.47 | ubd | jetscreamer: it says it does not support cpu freq |
| 04:19.56 | simonrvn | /sys and /proc |
| 04:20.01 | RyanRyan52 | I have a up-to-date debian sid install |
| 04:20.06 | Bushmills | ubd, there are analog computers. but they don't run linux |
| 04:20.06 | dererk | freezer_, did she speak chinese-only by chance, too :P |
| 04:20.07 | jetscreamer | ok. you can tickle your mb's clock |
| 04:20.12 | jetscreamer | i just don't know how |
| 04:20.30 | freezer_ | dererk: nah, she's a media student and speaks english as well :p |
| 04:20.34 | ubd | lemme check the bios then |
| 04:20.39 | dererk | freezer_, hehe |
| 04:20.39 | ubd | cya |
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| 04:20.49 | RyanRyan52 | ohhh....the mirror I am using failed to rsync...maybe there is a newer version... |
| 04:20.51 | jetscreamer | ubd: of course there's always the bios |
| 04:21.02 | tomd123 | #physics |
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| 04:22.59 | RyanRyan52 | lots of upgrades! including for virtualbox-ose |
| 04:23.04 | RyanRyan52 | thanks |
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| 04:23.13 | dererk | your welcome |
| 04:23.15 | dererk | [¿?] |
| 04:23.17 | freezer_ | lol |
| 04:23.29 | simonrvn | so... not really up to date... |
| 04:23.39 | simonrvn | "you're" |
| 04:23.52 | dererk | oh, you're right :D |
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| 04:27.11 | poe-t | hi |
| 04:27.22 | dererk | hika |
| 04:27.22 | freezer_ | hi |
| 04:27.33 | dererk | freezer_, I won :D |
| 04:27.35 | poe-t | please tell me what else do I need for a 'graphical login' besides kdm? |
| 04:27.42 | freezer_ | rofl |
| 04:27.42 | jetscreamer | gdm? |
| 04:27.49 | simonrvn | a working x |
| 04:27.50 | jetscreamer | poe-t: refine your question |
| 04:27.53 | Bushmills | poe-t: a computer |
| 04:28.01 | dererk | juaz |
| 04:28.19 | freezer_ | xserver-xorg |
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| 04:28.36 | dererk | poe-t, what everyone meant, is that you try to make the question straight to the point with more information |
| 04:29.02 | jetscreamer | the correct answer is probably 'nothing' |
| 04:29.02 | simonrvn | !smart questions |
| 04:29.03 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 04:29.21 | jetscreamer | if you have kdm installed everything else theo'srectumly is also |
| 04:29.31 | poe-t | I have Debian. I want to set it up so that I kdm starts when I start my computer. I installed kdm. but it wouldnt start.. |
| 04:29.35 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:29.37 | Bushmills | for using graph login on the same server, you'd need xserver |
| 04:29.41 | simonrvn | jet ^^ |
| 04:29.42 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
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| 04:29.50 | Bushmills | (that's only recommend, not depend) |
| 04:29.51 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 04:29.54 | jetscreamer | choose kdm |
| 04:30.02 | poe-t | thanks |
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| 04:30.10 | dererk | lol |
| 04:30.20 | jetscreamer | or uninstall gdm/xdm/whatever else you have |
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| 04:30.33 | jetscreamer | the other answer is fix your xorg |
| 04:30.56 | poe-t | fix it? |
| 04:30.58 | poe-t | why? |
| 04:30.58 | freezer_ | or use kubuntu |
| 04:31.03 | poe-t | it isnt broken |
| 04:31.11 | poe-t | I got id:2:initdefault: in /etc/inittab |
| 04:31.12 | freezer_ | how do u know? |
| 04:31.16 | poe-t | maybe I need 5? |
| 04:31.17 | jetscreamer | poe-t: there are two possible answers. i gave you both. |
| 04:31.22 | dererk | poe-t, did you use a minimal installation? |
| 04:31.25 | jetscreamer | try the one first. |
| 04:31.33 | jetscreamer | or give more information/data |
| 04:31.46 | simonrvn | poe-t: what does inittab have to do with kdm? |
| 04:31.47 | poe-t | jetscreamer, dpkg-reconfigure doesnot do anything |
| 04:32.09 | jetscreamer | as root, dpkg-reconfigure kdm did nothing? |
| 04:32.16 | poe-t | simonrvn, yeah. Deabian acts strange in this area ;-) |
| 04:32.20 | Bushmills | some other distros have text vs graphical login on different runlevels |
| 04:32.24 | simonrvn | poe-t: debian isn't redhat or fedora, or whatever |
| 04:32.26 | poe-t | jetscreamer, no,. nothing ;-) |
| 04:32.38 | simonrvn | maybe to you ;) |
| 04:32.41 | dererk | <dererk> poe-t, did you use a minimal installation? |
| 04:32.42 | jetscreamer | poe-t: try aptitude install xorg kdm kde |
| 04:32.42 | poe-t | simonrvn, I know |
| 04:32.42 | Bushmills | I suppose that's where the inittab suggestion came from |
| 04:33.01 | poe-t | dererk, I installed Debian like 3 years ago. I dont remember |
| 04:33.07 | warpzero | dudes my apt-get is segfaulting |
| 04:33.09 | warpzero | :-/ |
| 04:33.15 | jetscreamer | change kde to kde-desktop or something if you don't want it all |
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| 04:33.25 | simonrvn | warpzero: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 04:33.27 | dererk | warpzero, pool ram memory? |
| 04:33.29 | jetscreamer | that's a hell of an error report |
| 04:33.37 | jetscreamer | i ws getting to that... :) |
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| 04:33.48 | dererk | simonrvn, nice tip |
| 04:33.53 | jetscreamer | poe-t: anything? |
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| 04:34.06 | poe-t | jetscreamer, I just want to setup kdm for my mom. I've been ok with plain console login for ages ;-) |
| 04:34.17 | jetscreamer | poe-t: try aptitude install xorg kdm kde |
| 04:34.18 | simonrvn | apt-get + SIGSEGV == usually because of not enough mem for it |
| 04:34.24 | squisher | Hi, linux-image-2.6-xen-686 should be suitable for dom0, right? |
| 04:34.32 | squisher | apt-cache unfortunately doesn't reveal much info |
| 04:34.35 | jetscreamer | mom's deserve the full bown install |
| 04:34.36 | simonrvn | sometimes because of a corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/available file |
| 04:34.38 | poe-t | jetscreamer, I'm in kde ;-) |
| 04:34.41 | jetscreamer | err blowen |
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| 04:34.56 | jetscreamer | yeah.... so what about it, did you run that? |
| 04:35.02 | poe-t | yes I did |
| 04:35.04 | poe-t | startx |
| 04:35.09 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 04:35.12 | jetscreamer | poe-t: try aptitude install xorg kdm kde |
| 04:35.15 | poe-t | echo "startkde" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 04:35.19 | jetscreamer | ^^that |
| 04:35.31 | dererk | squisher, yes indeed, depending in which processor you have, of course |
| 04:35.56 | squisher | dererk, I'm just asking because the xen option included in vanilla is just for domU |
| 04:36.14 | squisher | dererk, and my xen boot hangs after xen transfers the console over to the kernel :-( |
| 04:36.15 | poe-t | jetscreamer, I've full install of those. no wonder 'aptitude install xorg kdm kde' wouldnt install anything |
| 04:36.26 | Rusty1 | poe-t: just apt-get --reinstall install kdm |
| 04:36.35 | freezer_ | do i have to reboot after i resized a FS? |
| 04:36.45 | dererk | squisher, when booting dom0 ? |
| 04:36.45 | freezer_ | becaue it still shows the old size |
| 04:36.53 | jetscreamer | umount it? |
| 04:36.57 | poe-t | jetscreamer, does Debian pay any attention to the runlevel@ /etc/inittab? |
| 04:36.58 | freezer_ | i did |
| 04:37.01 | freezer_ | no change |
| 04:37.06 | squisher | dererk, yup, hangs after (XEN) Xen is relinquishing VGA console. |
| 04:37.17 | jetscreamer | poe-t: yes but 2-5 are all the same by default |
| 04:37.23 | jetscreamer | you may change them |
| 04:37.25 | dererk | squisher, oh, that may probably not be a hang |
| 04:37.25 | poe-t | in Debian ;-) |
| 04:37.45 | dererk | squisher, just bad video controller detection, or sort of |
| 04:37.47 | jetscreamer | poe-t: are you saying you're not in runlevel2? |
| 04:37.48 | squisher | dererk, hmm, last time I tried Xen I got console output after that |
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| 04:37.57 | poe-t | jetscreamer, I'm in runlevel 2 |
| 04:37.59 | squisher | dererk, Hmm, could be? Any clue how to get around it? |
| 04:38.00 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:38.15 | jetscreamer | poe-t: do you have libncurses5-dev installed, and dialog? |
| 04:38.16 | dererk | squisher, do you see keyboard lights lightining ? :) |
| 04:38.40 | dererk | dpkg, x es en parpadeando |
| 04:38.41 | jetscreamer | poe-t: the fact that dpkg-reconfigure kdm does nothing sounds kinda important to me |
| 04:38.42 | dpkg | blinking |
| 04:38.52 | squisher | dererk, good question... not sure! I tried doing a blind login, but that didn't seem to work (typed reboot after login) |
| 04:38.55 | jetscreamer | dpkg isn't bilingual |
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| 04:39.13 | poe-t | jetscreamer, no dialog.. |
| 04:39.24 | dererk | a blink isn't this -> ;) ? |
| 04:39.48 | jetscreamer | that's a wink |
| 04:39.57 | jetscreamer | one eye |
| 04:39.59 | dererk | squisher, uhm, I'm afraid I don't understand what you did :P |
| 04:40.04 | jetscreamer | two would be blinking |
| 04:40.05 | dererk | jetscreamer, oh, thanks |
| 04:40.18 | jetscreamer | well i mean in r/l |
| 04:40.21 | poe-t | jetscreamer, installed dialog (have libncurses5-dev - allthough I dont need it ;-). dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do anything |
| 04:40.31 | dererk | Ahhh, got it |
| 04:40.31 | poe-t | do I need xdm? |
| 04:40.37 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:40.39 | dererk | squisher, do you have a keyboard plugged in? |
| 04:40.44 | squisher | dererk, you know even though I didn't get any console output doesn't mean the system is necessarily unresponsive. So I gave it enough time to finish booting, then just typed root, password, and reboot |
| 04:40.50 | jetscreamer | poe-t: do you have gdm installed, or xdm? |
| 04:40.53 | poe-t | oh. thats it! I needed xdm ;-) |
| 04:41.01 | jetscreamer | no you don't |
| 04:41.05 | warpzero | simonrvn, if i set it too low it gives me the mmap error |
| 04:41.06 | jetscreamer | not for kdm to function |
| 04:41.07 | poe-t | of course I removed them 5 yearas ago |
| 04:41.09 | poe-t | ;-) |
| 04:41.11 | dererk | squisher, oh, that confirms what I thought |
| 04:41.12 | warpzero | simonrvn, if i set it too high it seg faults |
| 04:41.19 | poe-t | bb. reboot to check |
| 04:41.28 | jetscreamer | ok well if kdm is the only one installed it 'shoule.. Noooo |
| 04:41.36 | simonrvn | warpzero: so tweak it |
| 04:41.37 | poe-t | it should |
| 04:41.45 | jetscreamer | wait. first, no reboot needed. |
| 04:41.49 | dererk | squisher, it's _probably_ a bad frequence or refresh rate of the monitor |
| 04:41.54 | poe-t | jetscreamer, I could choose kdm in xdm setup dialog |
| 04:42.00 | jetscreamer | second, less /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:42.02 | squisher | dererk, :-( read http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/e2cb988c2c2920c4 |
| 04:42.04 | jetscreamer | the what? |
| 04:42.06 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 04:42.12 | dererk | squisher, do you have a "vga=" field on your menu.lst grub file? |
| 04:42.19 | jetscreamer | poe-t: it wasn't doing anything because there was only one choice |
| 04:42.21 | squisher | dererk, I had, but I erased it |
| 04:42.30 | poe-t | jetscreamer, why no reboot? its faster this way... (I got install cd to boot from if someting is wrong) |
| 04:42.34 | jetscreamer | now there is a choice so it has something to do |
| 04:42.36 | dererk | squisher, ok, you did, but from where? |
| 04:42.44 | poe-t | jetscreamer, yeah.. I think so |
| 04:42.46 | jetscreamer | poe-t: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 04:42.46 | poe-t | bb |
| 04:42.49 | dererk | squisher, the file or at booting time? |
| 04:42.53 | jetscreamer | after you kill x |
| 04:42.57 | jetscreamer | or start |
| 04:42.59 | jetscreamer | or stop |
| 04:43.04 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 04:43.05 | squisher | dererk, I erased it from the kernel boot line in grub |
| 04:43.08 | jetscreamer | no reboot needed |
| 04:43.13 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 04:43.23 | jetscreamer | i won't be here |
| 04:43.24 | dererk | squisher, but at booting time, or you edited the file? |
| 04:43.31 | jetscreamer | even though i will |
| 04:43.33 | squisher | dererk, at boot time |
| 04:43.45 | squisher | sigh, I didn't want to go back to 2.6.18 :-( |
| 04:44.04 | dererk | squisher, you inmediatelly booted with that field erased, right? |
| 04:44.15 | squisher | dererk, yeah of course :) |
| 04:44.15 | jetscreamer | erased it? it gets recreated if you do update-grub |
| 04:44.26 | jetscreamer | you know you can edit it when you boot also, eh |
| 04:44.29 | squisher | jetscreamer, the xen entry is not managed by update-grub |
| 04:44.33 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:44.34 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 04:44.36 | squisher | jetscreamer, that's what I did :) |
| 04:44.37 | dererk | yeap, that's why I asked |
| 04:45.21 | dererk | squisher, that person seems to have exactly your problem |
| 04:45.26 | dererk | squisher, did you report that? |
| 04:46.02 | squisher | dererk, no not yet. I should request a note somewhere that it is only a domU kernel, and not a dom0 one, huh? |
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| 04:47.08 | poe-t | jetscreamer, great! its working.. thank you |
| 04:47.10 | dererk | domU? |
| 04:47.28 | dererk | squisher, I thought you said you where trying to start it as dom0 |
| 04:47.33 | kevind23 | ok I have programs that require the real (Sun) version of Java to run, and I have it installed, but how do I replace the free version that comes preinstalled with the Sun version? |
| 04:47.55 | squisher | dererk, yes, exactly my point -- the kernel included in debian is only for domU though, thus the hang |
| 04:48.07 | dererk | uhm |
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| 04:48.22 | Bushmills | kevind23: check /etc/alternatives |
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| 04:48.36 | dererk | squisher, I've no answer to your problem :( |
| 04:48.37 | poe-t | jetscreamer, do you by any chance know how to make a local user sign in without their password? |
| 04:48.45 | voltagex | is it at all possible to make a debian box act like a bluetooth headset, or at least appear like that to a phone? |
| 04:48.51 | squisher | dererk: the answer was in the bug report already :-) So no worries and thanks for your help |
| 04:49.03 | kevind23 | Bushmills: what about it? |
| 04:49.10 | dererk | squisher, it was? oh |
| 04:49.17 | squisher | kevind23, check update-alternatives |
| 04:49.19 | dererk | ahhhhh |
| 04:49.22 | dererk | squisher, I see |
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| 04:49.29 | squisher | dererk, :-) |
| 04:49.30 | dererk | squisher, well, it's a pitty indeed |
| 04:49.34 | squisher | Yup! |
| 04:49.43 | Bushmills | kevind23: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*java* |
| 04:49.45 | squisher | I think I hit an nfs bug in that kernel version, but oh well, I'll try |
| 04:49.53 | voltagex | heroxbd: wow, an IPV6 user. |
| 04:50.07 | dererk | squisher, good luck |
| 04:50.17 | heroxbd | voltagex: Yes, I like it. |
| 04:50.26 | squisher | dererk, thanks! |
| 04:50.41 | voltagex | heroxbd: now you just need to wait for the rest of the internet to catch up :D |
| 04:51.11 | dererk | Xen guys seems to can't follow linux-kernel team releasing times :P |
| 04:51.12 | warpzero | freenode has ipv6? |
| 04:51.20 | dererk | warpzero, Yes |
| 04:51.25 | hatter | which file decides the default desktop environment ? |
| 04:51.31 | warpzero | well thats cool |
| 04:51.33 | dererk | as all ipv6 routers, encapsulatted |
| 04:52.03 | kevind23 | Bushmills: so I'm supposed to remove them? |
| 04:52.05 | dererk | hatter, it depends on the Session Loader |
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| 04:52.13 | voltagex | anyone ever used gammu? |
| 04:52.19 | squisher | dererk, yup, unfortunately :-( |
| 04:52.21 | dererk | hatter, Kdm/Gdm/Xdm/Entrance/etc |
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| 04:52.30 | hatter | dererk, default is gdm isnt it ? |
| 04:52.36 | Bushmills | kevind23: nah, make them point to the executables you want to use |
| 04:52.42 | squisher | dererk, my guess is it'll suck unless it gets accepted into vanilla. DomU is a start, sure, but I'd really like to see dom0 too ): |
| 04:52.43 | dererk | hatter, im' Not sure |
| 04:52.44 | poe-t | dererk, it is |
| 04:52.49 | kevind23 | I don't know where those executables are, Bushmills |
| 04:52.50 | heroxbd | voltagex: Yeah :) |
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| 04:52.51 | poe-t | oops |
| 04:53.00 | poe-t | hatter, gdm is default |
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| 04:53.08 | poe-t | fair |
| 04:53.11 | poe-t | afair |
| 04:53.18 | hatter | poe-t, dererk, thx |
| 04:53.29 | Bushmills | kevind23: dpkg -L names-of-sun-java-package will tell you |
| 04:53.46 | dererk | squisher, I agree |
| 04:53.54 | hatter | for some reason a remote machine that usually has a vncserver running gnome is just displaying a grey screen and a gnome terminal |
| 04:53.54 | heroxbd | warpzero: I connect to ipv6.chat.freenode.net |
| 04:54.13 | poe-t | how to setup a local login without password? |
| 04:54.14 | kevind23 | Bushmills: I am aware of that command, but there's too much output to filter through to find the executable I'm looking for, especially without knowing what package it's in or much about java in general |
| 04:54.56 | Bushmills | kevind23: sorry, I also don't know which one your're looking for |
| 04:55.03 | kevind23 | :-( |
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| 04:56.28 | Bushmills | kevind23: maybe a point-and-shoot alternatives configger can help you. galternative (gnomish) or such. |
| 04:56.37 | Bushmills | galternatives |
| 04:57.02 | kevind23 | I use KDE but I'll install that :) |
| 04:58.10 | Bushmills | kevind23: let me know whether it does |
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| 05:00.08 | heroxbd | I am managing a proxy server using squid3 (from debian Sid i386). How can I configure it to filter according to destination ip? |
| 05:00.14 | kevind23 | thanks much Bushmills it worked |
| 05:00.24 | Bushmills | good to know |
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| 05:01.42 | frankr | I'm trying to access an ext3 partition from windows (w/ ext2 ifs) but it won't mount because the partition has been flagged with needs_repair; can I remove this flag easily w/o having to check the whole volume? |
| 05:02.15 | squisher | frankr, uhm, you probably do want to check it... don't you think? |
| 05:04.50 | xlotlu | i don't get why apt has a Clean directive only as a dselect method |
| 05:05.58 | Bushmills | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
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| 05:06.12 | hatter | apt-cache clean ? |
| 05:06.48 | xlotlu | you mean apt-get clean |
| 05:06.51 | Bushmills | I hope that's what clean is supposed to do .. remove the downloaded archives after they have been installed |
| 05:06.52 | hatter | ah |
| 05:07.15 | hatter | yah, apt-get clean |
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| 05:07.42 | xlotlu | i guess i can do a Dpkg::Post-Install clean.. or something |
| 05:09.17 | xlotlu | or not. there is no post-install |
| 05:09.59 | jetscreamer | !dselect++ |
| 05:10.17 | xlotlu | cron it is |
| 05:10.42 | xlotlu | kinda silly keeping the archives on the same machine running apt-proxy |
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| 05:11.39 | jeward_ | Say, what channel would I go to do discuss access restrictions on my Linksys router? |
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| 05:12.16 | hatter | jeward_, #networking is pretty god for routers and such |
| 05:12.29 | hatter | 'pretty good' |
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| 05:16.28 | JW | I'm trying to build some debian packages (ghostscript right now) and I'm getting some errors about "permission denied" which can't have anything to do with perms, becaus eI've tried it as root, too. Here's more output: |
| 05:16.58 | JW | http://paste.debian.net/49468 |
| 05:17.13 | JW | I'm not sure what's wrong, can someone look at it? |
| 05:17.33 | JW | I'm wondering if it's the bug about the epoch. |
| 05:18.11 | dondelelcaro | JW: debian/rules isn't executable. |
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| 05:18.39 | dondelelcaro | JW: you most likely applied the diff.gz manually instead of using dpkg-source -x, and consequently haven't chmod +x debian/rules. |
| 05:18.57 | JW | dondelelcaro: spot on |
| 05:19.36 | dondelelcaro | JW: yeah, you generally want to use dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; in the future, as that handles this automatically, as well as checking the signatures on the orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz |
| 05:19.52 | dondelelcaro | (not that you should trust it even if the signatures match, but it's YA step) |
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| 05:20.30 | JW | dondelelcaro: use that dpkg-source -x to appy the patch AND build after downloading? |
| 05:20.44 | JW | dondelelcaro: you are right I downloaded by hand |
| 05:20.46 | JW | (wger) |
| 05:20.49 | JW | er, wget |
| 05:21.32 | dondelelcaro | JW: no, just to apply the patch et all. If you're really lazy, you would just use dget -x http://blahblah/blah/foo.dsc |
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| 05:21.52 | at0m|c | i wonder, would wget support any kind of password db/file? now doing "wget http://user:pass@site" |
| 05:22.18 | at0m|c | but that's a lot of extra typing, and pass is avail from ~/.bash.history |
| 05:22.29 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: .wgetrc |
| 05:22.34 | dondelelcaro | at0m|c: man wget; for details |
| 05:22.44 | at0m|c | dondelelcaro, excellent, cheers! |
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| 05:23.01 | at0m|c | was just reading the man, re-reading eh |
| 05:23.36 | JW | Now dpkg-buildpackage is saying I /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk - how can I find what package shold provide that? |
| 05:23.43 | JW | (and a few other missing files, too) |
| 05:25.27 | dondelelcaro | JW: you need to apt-get build-dep foopkgthatyourbuilding; and probably apt-get install build-essential; along the way. |
| 05:26.44 | JW | dondelelcaro: I'll try, but I'm trying to build imagemagick from sid on etch (must have the 6.3 version) |
| 05:27.30 | dondelelcaro | JW: well, in general that will work. If it fails, you'll have to satisfy the build dependencies using the proper version from etch. |
| 05:27.35 | huhlig | hi don |
| 05:27.38 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: hey |
| 05:27.41 | huhlig | how goes |
| 05:27.45 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: good |
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| 05:28.03 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: BTW, I probably won't be able to get to LWCE this year, as it conflicts pretty directly with debcamp |
| 05:28.12 | huhlig | well that sucks |
| 05:28.24 | huhlig | anyone here know if there is a way to check for the tux kernel without breaking everything |
| 05:28.32 | dondelelcaro | tux kernel? |
| 05:28.44 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, its a patch used by virtuzzo |
| 05:28.49 | huhlig | and apparantly xen |
| 05:28.55 | huhlig | in its vps kernels |
| 05:28.58 | nevyn | tux was the name of the in kernel http server |
| 05:29.03 | huhlig | it breaks with glibc 2.7 |
| 05:29.04 | nevyn | at one point. |
| 05:29.36 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg37104.html |
| 05:29.40 | huhlig | this bug |
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| 05:29.53 | huhlig | my VPS just uploaded a new kernel a few days ago |
| 05:30.00 | huhlig | and I want to upgrade to lenny |
| 05:30.11 | huhlig | preferably without having to nuke my system afterwords |
| 05:30.14 | kgoetz | can someone help me out? what have i done wrong trying to add this user? :( http://paste.debian.net/49469 |
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| 05:31.59 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: you want --gid $(id -g fossy), not --group. |
| 05:32.22 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, any idea on the tux patch? |
| 05:32.27 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: and generally having a non-system user in a system group is insane. |
| 05:32.55 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro: from a security perspective? |
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| 05:33.10 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro: from a security perspective? |
| 05:33.16 | kgoetz | oops. sorry for double. |
| 05:33.21 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: from an administrative sanity standpooint |
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| 05:35.19 | ganesh | hai how to get reminder alarm in thunderbird |
| 05:35.40 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'll make them both non-system |
| 05:36.23 | voltagex | is it possible to emulate a bluetooth headset and make a phone think that your computer is an audio device? |
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| 05:37.55 | msshams | hi, i have a problem. i can't understand that why my X restart automatically! i think that because i install compiz+compiz fuzion! do anybody have a solution? |
| 05:38.12 | kgoetz | msshams: uninsstall compiz? |
| 05:38.18 | msshams | no |
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| 05:39.06 | msshams | kgoetz: do you think if i uninstall it my prob is solve?! |
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| 05:39.14 | kgoetz | msshams: no idea. |
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| 05:43.51 | JW | dondelelcaro: Now I'm up to this: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 05:44.06 | dondelelcaro | !b-e JW |
| 05:44.07 | dpkg | JW: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 05:44.15 | JW | that's unreal because I've compiled lots of packafes on tis system |
| 05:44.29 | JW | dondelelcaro: I did, as you suggested |
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| 05:44.46 | dondelelcaro | well, for whatever reason you don't actually have a real gcc installed, or whatever gcc it's got as CC doesn't exist. |
| 05:44.49 | JW | well I did apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:44.55 | JW | same difference |
| 05:45.06 | dondelelcaro | JW: ok; what does the config.log say? |
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| 05:45.46 | JW | dondelelcaro: ends with: configure: exit 77 |
| 05:45.59 | dondelelcaro | JW: and what does readlink -f /usr/bin/cc; and readlink -f /usr/bin/gcc; say? |
| 05:46.06 | dondelelcaro | JW: yes, need the bits above that. |
| 05:46.21 | dondelelcaro | (which cc; and which gcc; will also be informative) |
| 05:47.30 | JW | both say /usr/bin/gcc-4.1, which I think just got installed wehn I installed build-essential |
| 05:48.06 | JW | cc and gcc point to their counterpart under /etc/alternatives |
| 05:48.15 | dondelelcaro | JW: yes, what does which cc; and which gcc; return? |
| 05:48.27 | JW | right that's what I meant: |
| 05:48.57 | dondelelcaro | JW: I mean, I know where they point, but I want to know what those commands return. |
| 05:48.58 | JW | wich cc gives /usr/bin/cc |
| 05:49.02 | JW | oh sory |
| 05:49.11 | JW | cc: no input files |
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| 05:49.16 | dondelelcaro | right, that's fine. |
| 05:49.17 | JW | gcc: no input files |
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| 05:49.41 | dondelelcaro | JW: ok, the rest of it is just the config.log; the bit above will tell me why it thinks that gcc cannot create executables. |
| 05:50.01 | JW | in the end they both point to /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 05:50.09 | dondelelcaro | (the output of mount for the partition you're building this thing on may also be informative.) |
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| 05:50.48 | JW | dondelelcaro: the first thing that looks like an error is this: |
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| 05:50.56 | JW | dondelelcaro: do you want me to put it all in the pastebin? |
| 05:51.05 | JW | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.14 | JW | I think I'm missing a lib. |
| 05:51.16 | dondelelcaro | JW: ok, you haven't installed libpaper-dev |
| 05:51.21 | JW | Oh duh. I guess because I'm using - |
| 05:52.10 | JW | dondelelcaro: you are a very patient person, thank you. |
| 05:52.12 | dondelelcaro | JW: installing apt-get build-dep for that package; will get all of the build-dependencies; if any fail, you'll have to install them manually. |
| 05:52.31 | dondelelcaro | JW: they're listed in debian/control; if you're lost |
| 05:53.19 | JW | dondelelcaro: so run 'apt-get build-dep imagemagick' even though i'm on stable and the sources I'm installing are from Sid? |
| 05:53.24 | dondelelcaro | JW: right. |
| 05:53.37 | dondelelcaro | JW: most of the time it will do the right thing and you won't have to muck with it manually. |
| 05:53.38 | JW | ok. Seems to be doing much better now. |
| 05:53.46 | JW | I'll need that advice again in a minute. |
| 05:54.25 | JW | Actually I'm getting myself confused: this package is ghostscript, I'm installing it because the new imagemagick is demanding a newer ghostscript. There's another one it wants, too. |
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| 05:54.55 | dondelelcaro | JW: are you sure it needs a newer ghostscript? |
| 05:55.46 | JW | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure of anything anymore :-) been working on this forever, but yes, I'm pretty sure - oh, no I know what it was, There is no package named "ghostscript" available for Etch |
| 05:55.59 | JW | i searched on packages.d.o |
| 05:56.11 | dondelelcaro | JW: it's called gs |
| 05:56.18 | JW | and the only one that showed up was for either testing or unstable, I forget which |
| 05:56.32 | dondelelcaro | (the actual package is gs-gpl, but gs will get it for you) |
| 05:56.41 | JW | dondelelcaro: but imagemagick 6.3 was demanding "ghostscript" even though I did have gs installed |
| 05:57.23 | JW | wow ghostscript it still building. huge program. |
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| 05:57.40 | dondelelcaro | JW: what was the precise error it gave you? |
| 05:58.04 | JW | dondelelcaro: you mean the error imagemagick gave me? |
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| 05:58.22 | dondelelcaro | JW: yeah, because there's only a build-depends: on ghostscript, and it's not versioned. |
| 05:58.31 | dondelelcaro | JW: that usually means that any old version will work. |
| 05:59.18 | JW | right - becaiuse the package named gs - I guess it doesn't know that ghostscript is the same thing |
| 05:59.58 | dondelelcaro | JW: it shouldn't be checking directly for it, but I honestly haven't attempted to backport imagemagick recently. |
| 06:00.11 | JW | it's rougj, I tell you |
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| 06:00.19 | JW | rough |
| 06:00.29 | JW | sorry - one hand - holding baby :-( |
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| 06:02.09 | samuel | hello all |
| 06:02.38 | samuel | ive got an odd question: anyone know why a unionfs directory cannot be exported with nfs??? whats the problem with this? it just states "does not support nfs export" |
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| 06:03.20 | dondelelcaro | samuel: probably because of some in-kernel limitations. It may be possible that the userland NFS server will support it |
| 06:03.48 | samuel | dondelelcaro: thanks ill give that a try |
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| 06:04.43 | JW | dondelelcaro: sorry, internet connection dropped |
| 06:05.45 | JW | thank God for "screen" |
| 06:07.16 | JW | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to build imagemagick now with dpkg-buildpackage -d, it seems to be working at the moment |
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| 06:07.24 | JW | maybe I won't have to fight with ghostscript |
| 06:07.29 | dondelelcaro | JW: yeah, it works just fine with gs. |
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| 06:08.04 | JW | I hope it doesn't break down over the other package now |
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| 06:14.00 | muh2000 | when i login to a debian with ssh or shell prompt at the machine, there is a greeting text - where can i edit that? |
| 06:14.14 | cesman | howdy folks |
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| 06:14.33 | cesman | I've built a kernel (2.6.24) the Debian way |
| 06:14.34 | earthnative | muh2000: it's the message of the day - /etc/motd |
| 06:14.46 | muh2000 | earthnative: thnx :) |
| 06:14.52 | cesman | when I attempt to make LIRC, I've seeing http://pastebin.com/m6db422cb |
| 06:15.03 | earthnative | muh2000: there are also progrtams which will automate the changing of it (to ascii banners, etc too) |
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| 06:15.15 | cesman | however, those files are where LIRC is complaining about |
| 06:15.24 | cesman | any thoughts? |
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| 06:17.26 | earthnative | muh2000: for example, 'linuxlogo' (actually, that displays at the console login prompt pre-login |
| 06:18.02 | earthnative | muh2000: /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net are the pre-login-prompt texts |
| 06:18.04 | muh2000 | earthnative: hmmm i have issue.net edited for "pre loging" |
| 06:18.11 | muh2000 | ^^ |
| 06:18.49 | earthnative | yeah, linuxlogo alters issue/issue.net (by default it only displays once on boot I think, ages since I cared about console logins though |
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| 06:19.32 | earthnative | muh2000: if you do use textbased console alot though, imho it's worth knowing how to change the background colour of each console independantly. (I find it helps me keep track of each virtual console much easier :) |
| 06:20.36 | muh2000 | earthnative: yeah it is nothing important but i thought it might be funny, espacialle when someone is trying to hack that thing without a script and reads "hack elsewhere" it might bring the person to laugh - or make the person more interessted into hacking that thing ^^ |
| 06:20.51 | earthnative | lol, can be |
| 06:21.14 | earthnative | depends on the person trying to crack your system really |
| 06:21.31 | muh2000 | earthnative: that is what i maybe wanted to do as well, but could be bad when the console-txt already uses colors. |
| 06:22.01 | earthnative | muh2000: nah, it's safe - it just alters the vga colour palette in each consoles textmode independantly |
| 06:22.20 | earthnative | so if an application asks for 'yellow', they still get whatever you define yellow to be... |
| 06:22.35 | muh2000 | aahhh ok |
| 06:22.36 | earthnative | (either murky brown = default, or a real yellow, or some pastel washed out yellow, or whatever |
| 06:22.39 | JW | dondelelcaro: imagemagick build fine with the -d option, ignoring those other two dependancies |
| 06:22.48 | JW | dondelelcaro: Thank you very much for your help |
| 06:22.51 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 06:23.14 | earthnative | muh2000: if you're intgerested, drop me a line and I'll email you a script I wrote up years ago to shortcut it |
| 06:23.46 | muh2000 | earthnative: for changing colors ? |
| 06:23.52 | earthnative | yeah |
| 06:24.52 | dondelelcaro | err, -j LOG |
| 06:24.53 | muh2000 | is the script running in the background when i login and controling the colors? |
| 06:25.30 | earthnative | it just runs some control codes to alter the colours, takes an instant and then exits |
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| 06:26.03 | muh2000 | is it also working for ssh logins? |
| 06:26.11 | earthnative | nope, it's pure console only |
| 06:26.25 | earthnative | linux virtual console specifrically infact |
| 06:26.51 | muh2000 | oh hmm than i am not that much interessted :) on my workstation i use yakuake most of the time and other computers with putty :) |
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| 06:27.13 | muh2000 | yakuake lets me change the colors with an interface :) |
| 06:27.20 | muh2000 | green on black ftw :D |
| 06:27.27 | earthnative | echo -en "\e]P0000033 <-- will make your console bg a dark blue, for eg |
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| 06:27.49 | earthnative | yeah, I'm talking about original text-mode virtual consoles here. |
| 06:27.56 | earthnative | other terminals have their own methods |
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| 06:29.07 | muh2000 | hmmm meh i am fine with the black on a normale console :) but thnx anyway :) |
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| 06:29.41 | muh2000 | but maybe gpl the script code and publish it on sourceforge or somewhere :) i guess some ppl would be interessted :) |
| 06:30.05 | earthnative | me too, 90% of the time, but if I'm stuck on them for any lengthy time, and have to switch between them, I like differentiation |
| 06:30.21 | earthnative | lol, it's not that serious a script really |
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| 06:31.25 | voltagex | I'm getting E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 06:31.29 | voltagex | with apt-get update |
| 06:31.32 | voltagex | for backports |
| 06:31.52 | earthnative | voltagex: you have too many entries in your apt sources.list |
| 06:32.01 | earthnative | that's the simple solution |
| 06:32.07 | earthnative | there is a way to tell apt to use more memory too |
| 06:32.27 | voltagex | earthnative: I should *not* be running out of memory, I have 1gb here |
| 06:32.27 | muh2000 | i wonder how old that computer might be that runs out of memory ^^ |
| 06:32.38 | voltagex | shit, 15m free |
| 06:32.39 | earthnative | voltagex: no, apt has it's own internal memory limit |
| 06:32.39 | voltagex | wtf |
| 06:32.50 | earthnative | that'll be buffers and cache, don't worry about it |
| 06:33.01 | voltagex | I couldn't resize the partitons on this box so there's no swap |
| 06:33.17 | earthnative | run free -m, and look at the -/+buffers/cache line to see the 'real' free memory |
| 06:33.20 | earthnative | or at least, closer to real |
| 06:33.25 | voltagex | is there a way to use a big file as swap rather than a partition? |
| 06:33.29 | muh2000 | voltagex: linux uses all the time the mem. minus the buffers and cache and it is your free mem |
| 06:33.38 | voltagex | 605 free...phew |
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| 06:33.46 | earthnative | voltagex: yes, swapfiles have been done. in practice, haven't seen it in years |
| 06:34.03 | voltagex | soooo, how do I tell apt to use more memory then |
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| 06:34.29 | cesman | voltagex: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dynamic-mmap-out-of-room-160966/ |
| 06:34.37 | earthnative | http://www.yak.net/fqa/416.html |
| 06:35.04 | squisher | Hi everyone, is there a way to check system files for validity? I.e. is there an md5sum stored in the .deb, and I can verify the installed packages' content? |
| 06:35.16 | earthnative | google knows all :) |
| 06:35.31 | earthnative | squisher: apt-get install debsums |
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| 06:35.44 | squisher | earthnative, no, google finds all ;-) |
| 06:35.47 | voltagex | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dynamic-mmap-out-of-room-160966/ |
| 06:35.48 | squisher | earthnative, thanks |
| 06:35.50 | voltagex | wtf repaste |
| 06:35.59 | voltagex | terminal's extend repasted :/ |
| 06:36.30 | earthnative | squisher: it uses the info in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |
| 06:36.51 | squisher | earthnative, cool, sounds exactly like what I need. Just had a stupid kernel starting to hose my root fs... :-( |
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| 06:37.10 | earthnative | squisher: so if the .deb didn't provide a md5sums file, you;'re out of luck. also, you can use that md5sums file manually with `md5sum -c` |
| 06:37.34 | squisher | earthnative, I see... I wonder what percentage of packages does provide one. Oh well, better than nothing |
| 06:37.44 | earthnative | squisher: I think most :) |
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| 06:38.49 | squisher | since xen doesn't seem to like me, has anyone here tried virtualbox? |
| 06:40.19 | bujin | hi |
| 06:40.32 | bujin | how can i do for noticing if i have opengl enabled? |
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| 06:40.38 | voltagex | thanks, apt is fixed now |
| 06:40.53 | voltagex | is there a way to install one package+deps from sid without hosing the whole system? |
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| 06:41.13 | voltagex | err, that would be lenny now |
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| 06:42.34 | squisher | bujin, I think xdpyinfo tells you, but don't ask me where in its output... |
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| 06:47.46 | PaloAlto | how would i deny permisions for a certain group to a folder ? |
| 06:48.33 | cesman | PaloAlto: http://www.freeos.com/articles/3127/ |
| 06:48.44 | bujin | i have a ati mobility radeon igp 9000 |
| 06:48.45 | bujin | http://pastebin.com/m56448b89 |
| 06:48.59 | bujin | why i have this instead of ati in the configuration? |
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| 06:59.58 | RyanRyan52 | How do I report a bug without using reportbug? (just using my email client) |
| 07:00.51 | voltagex | I need python-gobject, is this possible to get in stable? |
| 07:01.22 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: backport it! |
| 07:02.04 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: from debian-backports? |
| 07:02.08 | voltagex | I'm not doing it myself |
| 07:02.35 | RyanRyan52 | yes...thats wat I meant...did u check there? |
| 07:02.41 | voltagex | nope, it's not in backports |
| 07:02.58 | voltagex | I don't know why on earth it isn't in stable |
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| 07:04.21 | PaloAlto | how do i change groups of a user ? |
| 07:04.35 | RyanRyan52 | PaloAlto: adduser some_user some_group |
| 07:04.46 | voltagex | :( |
| 07:05.28 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: let me see if I can backport it easily... |
| 07:05.51 | RyanRyan52 | I got really lucky once |
| 07:06.26 | PaloAlto | i want more to remove a user from a certain group |
| 07:07.29 | dondelelcaro | PaloAlto: deluser user group; man deluser. |
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| 07:10.02 | PaloAlto | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 07:10.50 | RyanRyan52 | it doesn't work! |
| 07:10.59 | RyanRyan52 | sorry... |
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| 07:18.27 | vinilios_ | i using debian testing and today it asked me to update 2.5.18 kernel while im using 2.5.22 should i make the update ? |
| 07:19.02 | nevyn | umm if you're using testing it shouldn't have a 2.5 kernel.... |
| 07:19.25 | vinilios_ | 2.5 = 2.6 sorry |
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| 07:20.47 | cesman | doesn't sound like much of an update to me ;) |
| 07:22.00 | vinilios_ | since i added many 3rd party repos the last week is there any way to check from which repository the packages get updated ? |
| 07:22.46 | vinilios_ | is dfsg keyword means something special in the name of a kernel-image package ? |
| 07:22.59 | liable | sounds like you still have etch security enabled |
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| 07:29.55 | pde | fun trying to lilo together a new system: EDBA is big: kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage |
| 07:30.17 | pde | erm, s/EDBA/EBDA |
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| 07:31.05 | pde | is this possibly caused by trying to clone a lilo setup from a smaller disk to a large one (40->160GB?) |
| 07:31.35 | pde | or possibly by the fact that i can't get lilo to chroot properly anymore |
| 07:31.41 | pde | it always chokes on /dev |
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| 07:41.55 | pde | now the kernel starts, and it does that strange waiting for sda devices thing |
| 07:42.05 | pde | I guess that would be an initrd problem... |
| 07:44.40 | bolt | How can I disable 3d acceleration in xorg? I think it's crashing my laptop and want to try without it |
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| 07:45.12 | dagit|lispy | When I booted I saw some message about activating swap, what init file is that in? |
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| 07:45.21 | dagit|lispy | I want to add a swapfile... |
| 07:45.38 | open_lad | how can i configure my touchscreen in debain |
| 07:46.21 | open_lad | the model of my touchscreen is : syncmaster510n samsung palas-microtouch |
| 07:46.22 | stylus | hi, is there a safe way to change my debian computers name? |
| 07:46.53 | theatro | dagit|lispy, as I see in /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 07:47.42 | dagit|lispy | hmm..maybe it's controlled by fstab then |
| 07:47.42 | dagit|lispy | thanks |
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| 07:47.50 | theatro | yes |
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| 07:51.40 | tckb | hi |
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| 07:54.52 | pde | stylus: changing /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts shoudl be enough |
| 07:55.07 | pde | it may require rebooting |
| 07:55.24 | pde | though maybe "/etc/init.d/hostname restart" would be enough |
| 07:55.25 | stylus | thanks |
| 07:55.31 | samuel | anyone know why nautilus cannot navigate a unionfs dir while the terminal seems to have no problems? |
| 07:55.31 | stylus | ah |
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| 07:57.26 | girija | hii |
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| 07:59.48 | enouf | samuel: heh, seems vserver can be for you too http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver check out the Sharing dirs amongst guests and rbind there |
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| 08:00.30 | enouf | as to nautilus issues? no - i don't use it |
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| 08:02.05 | theLichKing | what is the derivative of d/dx arcsec(5x+4)? |
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| 08:02.26 | samuel | enouf: thanks for the help again, but how can Vserver help? im still not sure if the problem is in nfs or unionfs, but im leaning to unionfs being the problem |
| 08:02.42 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:05.48 | enouf | samuel: i was just reasserting another diff option to your orig question ... i sent that above message to ##linux some hours ago |
| 08:06.44 | samuel | ah, thanks, ive been working on this for a while now, im tired and not really making sense any more --> usually a sign I need some sleep |
| 08:06.57 | samuel | thanks, but i think ill read this tomorrow |
| 08:07.00 | samuel | good night |
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| 08:10.38 | voltagex | is there a way to make a Debian install CD that automatically starts an ssh to let me do an install on a machine with no keyboard or screen at all? |
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| 08:15.06 | k-man_ | is there an xorg driver for ati radeon x700 cards? (not the binary one) |
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| 08:15.37 | enouf | k-man_: what? |
| 08:16.11 | k-man_ | i mean, is there an open source driver that supports the radeon r700 |
| 08:16.22 | k-man_ | for xorg |
| 08:16.36 | enouf | doesn't 'ati' or radeon' |
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| 08:16.52 | k-man_ | not according to the .deb description |
| 08:16.58 | enouf | man radeon, man ati |
| 08:17.08 | k-man_ | ok, ill check |
| 08:17.11 | voltagex | any ideas why I don't have sound on my macbook, even though hda-intel should support the sound chip? |
| 08:17.32 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 08:17.32 | dpkg | methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 08:26.21 | enouf | RV410 Radeon X700, M26 PCIE (2d only) <-- k-man_ ; from man radeon |
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| 08:27.39 | k-man_ | what is the difference between hibernate in the hibernate package, and the hibernate offered to me on the system/shutdown menu? |
| 08:28.08 | enouf | one is DE (Gnome?) oriented? |
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| 08:28.25 | santu | hello friends i am having problems installing ubuntu7.10 in my new desktop machine athlon Jetway 692 GDG 64 bot processor can anyone help me out? |
| 08:28.42 | k-man_ | enouf, well, i can hibernate using the hibernate package |
| 08:28.45 | enouf | k-man_: you know about apt-cache show? |
| 08:28.58 | k-man_ | but if i hibernate from gnome, it fails because i use the ati driver or something |
| 08:29.01 | enouf | k-man_: that's just peachey |
| 08:29.12 | enouf | k-man_: ati? |
| 08:29.16 | cesman | santu: perhaps #ubuntu |
| 08:29.22 | k-man_ | enouf, ati radeon |
| 08:29.44 | enouf | k-man_: Xorg? or 3D proprietary? |
| 08:29.47 | santu | yeah i have posted in ubuntu also but no response |
| 08:29.53 | k-man_ | 3d proprietry |
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| 08:30.35 | enouf | k-man_: ok .. well, checked BTS? there's always all sorts of issues, whether it |
| 08:30.44 | enouf | 's nvidia or ati |
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| 08:31.26 | k-man_ | ati |
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| 08:32.03 | enouf | k-man_: also please read the Description section in man ati(4) |
| 08:32.51 | stylus | hello, when I login via ssh I get a lengthy greeting message with uname -a output and other stuff. can I change that greeting message to something more useful? |
| 08:33.05 | stylus | if so, how :) |
| 08:34.19 | cesman | funny, someone asked something similar not too long ago |
| 08:34.23 | cesman | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.33 | stylus | thanks |
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| 08:36.25 | enouf | k-man_: though AMD/ATi has recently open sourced a big hunk of their code, so better things for them (and us) may be down the road a bit |
| 08:37.02 | PiousMinion | Are filesystems in /etc/fstab mounted prior to or during the execution of scripts in /etc/init.d ? |
| 08:37.26 | snakeoil | if i run "apt-get upgrade" i get a lot of "Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xterm/xterm_231-1_i386.deb Size mismatch" |
| 08:37.47 | PiousMinion | snakeoil: update first ? |
| 08:37.50 | enouf | PiousMinion: well / is done prior |
| 08:38.15 | stylus | also, I'd like to add myself to the sudoers file. what kind of setup should I use for my username? I hardly think I need the same as root in there. |
| 08:38.20 | snakeoil | PiousMinion, of course I did update first. I am using this in sources.list "deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" |
| 08:38.22 | PiousMinion | enouf: heh, figured that much. What about the others such as swap? |
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| 08:38.50 | egoleo | hello |
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| 08:38.53 | enouf | well, i think it's atleast scanned for it's existence .. not certain |
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| 08:39.46 | enouf | PiousMinion: might be a kernel check looks for a SWAPSPACE signature, again, not sure - i think my older fsck logs show it |
| 08:40.06 | egoleo | hello someone help me with using squid to block some sites or is there an graphic tool to manage sites to be visited and sites not to be visited by my clients? |
| 08:40.14 | enouf | er .. maybe it's bootlog ;-) one sec |
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| 08:41.42 | PiousMinion | enouf: I'm trying to do something like "mkswap /mnt/win/pagefile.sys" before it activates the swap so win and lin share swap file on a dual boot system. |
| 08:42.41 | enouf | PiousMinion: fwiw, do /msg dpkg bootlogd |
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| 08:42.43 | mass0ud | Hello |
| 08:42.49 | enouf | yeah, it's in /var/log/boot |
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| 08:43.12 | PiousMinion | enouf: thanks, will check there. |
| 08:43.37 | mass0ud | How can I save or download streaming files of realplay format? |
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| 08:45.43 | santu | hello friends i am having problems installing ubuntu7.10 in my new desktop machine athlon Jetway 692 GDG 64 bot processor can anyone help me out? |
| 08:46.05 | enouf | PiousMinion: well, /etc/fstab is where swap should be defined, not /etc/init.d/scripts - i mean, /etc/inittab, then /etc/rcS, then /etc/rc?.d runlevel symlinks (according to /etc/inittab) is the basic order, IINM - do /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 08:47.48 | enouf | PiousMinion: my bad, /sbin/init, then /etc/inittab, then /etc/rcS.d/ , then the rc?.d .. the debian reference also goes into detail about this |
| 08:48.16 | kubitz | santu I don't usually know the answers here but I'm guessing you'll need to narrow the question down a bit... |
| 08:48.27 | enouf | PiousMinion: /etc/default/rcS holds various defaults for /etc/rcS.d scripts |
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| 08:48.41 | egoleo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.48 | heroxbd | How to cvs access to sourceforge.net over ipv6? sf.net is banned on ipv4 in China. |
| 08:48.56 | kubitz | santu and I suppose you really ought to ask that question on the #ubuntu channel |
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| 08:49.18 | PiousMinion | enouf: of course, the swap will be defined in /etc/fstab, but on a dual boot system who knows what XP will do with this file. I want to call "mkswap loopback_file" to prepare the file to be mounted as swap and the best way I can think of to make sure this is done before is to include it in an init script. suggestions? |
| 08:49.24 | santu | kubitz:I am not getting respone from ubunt channel |
| 08:49.50 | kubitz | heroxbd weird - why the hell is sf banned - it's not exactly a capitalist stronghold :) |
| 08:49.57 | enouf | PiousMinion: no comment about Xpoop - not my bag ;-) |
| 08:50.03 | santu | kubitz: its coming and gettin struct at /etc/init.d/rc/local OK |
| 08:50.11 | santu | and after it it stops loading ubuntu |
| 08:50.34 | kubitz | santu are you using the livecd |
| 08:50.51 | heroxbd | kubitz: some anti-blocking project is held on sf.net |
| 08:51.00 | kubitz | heroxbd ah right |
| 08:51.05 | PiousMinion | enouf: not my computer. :P Just trying to minimize wasted space on a friend's laptop. |
| 08:51.19 | enouf | santu: if you're running ubuntu - this channel is not the correct place to ask - install Debian, we'll speak ;-) |
| 08:51.38 | PiousMinion | enouf: and yes, I know formatting the Xpoop drive would be a better method. ;) |
| 08:51.48 | heroxbd | kubitz: can I tunnel cvs request through http-proxy? |
| 08:51.50 | enouf | bingo |
| 08:51.57 | kubitz | perhaps you ought to look first at that localproxy list on freelists - if it's still there - I haven't read it in years - but they are pretty linux and dns savvy there - or used to be |
| 08:52.15 | santu | kubitz : I am a debian user , actually i am askin this question on behalf of my friend |
| 08:52.17 | santu | :) |
| 08:53.34 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 08:53.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 08:53.36 | kubitz | santu the trouble is although I use Ubuntu I'm getting more familiar with Debian because I'm using it more and I'll bet that's the same for a lot of us here - I've always found #ubuntu very helpful |
| 08:53.44 | enouf | PiousMinion: you'd think google would have info about setting up and utilizing a shared swap |
| 08:53.44 | heroxbd | kubitz: I can use ipv6-to-ipv4 proxy in Univ of Leipzig in Germany. |
| 08:54.00 | stylus | I'm having a problem upgrading debianutils. can anyone help if I provide some more details? |
| 08:54.16 | heroxbd | kubitz: Maybe I should tunnel cvs in http? |
| 08:54.33 | PiousMinion | enouf: I've been checking. It may yet save me. |
| 08:54.37 | streuner | stylus: which package and what branch are you running actually? |
| 08:54.46 | heroxbd | But it would be much better if sf.net is already reachable on ipv6 |
| 08:55.00 | stylus | streuner: apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:55.02 | streuner | stylus: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:55.36 | stylus | streuner: I'll check, one moment |
| 08:55.58 | kubitz | heroxbd I'm afraid it's too long since i looked into this - I'd only steer you wrong. The people on that freelist group used to really know their stuff and I'm betting its still here! |
| 08:56.24 | stylus | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:57.28 | stylus | streuner: there is an error message, if that doesn't provide enough information to you. |
| 08:57.35 | enouf | !break stylus |
| 08:58.00 | streuner | stylus: show us your sources.list and the whole message in paste.debian.net please. |
| 08:58.48 | stylus | arg. all the replies! Ok, one moment. |
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| 08:59.50 | stylus | where do I find sources.list? -_- |
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| 09:00.01 | streuner | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:00.02 | kubitz | heroxbd I always used to try and find a socks 4 proxy and do it that way - Is Tor banned in China? |
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| 09:00.32 | heroxbd | kubitz: Ah, I think I would use tor. It is ok here. |
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| 09:00.41 | pooja | ih |
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| 09:00.46 | pooja | hi |
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| 09:01.03 | kubitz | heroxbd well it's ok here - my "here" being the UK |
| 09:01.13 | stylus | streuner: rgr, one sec |
| 09:01.16 | gouthami | how to install debian using usb l |
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| 09:01.41 | heroxbd | kubitz: :) I will try tor. Thank you! |
| 09:01.42 | enouf | oh - 2.7 has migrated to testing, my bad |
| 09:01.57 | Shailu | How to boot from debian using pen drive |
| 09:01.58 | Shailu | ? |
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| 09:02.34 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 09:02.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 09:02.39 | enouf | Shailu: it's in the installer |
| 09:02.42 | enouf | er |
| 09:02.46 | vindhu | how to install debian using usb |
| 09:02.52 | enouf | !ig |
| 09:02.53 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 09:03.00 | enouf | Shailu: see that ^^^^^^^ |
| 09:03.13 | PiousMinion | dot matric and punch card reader. lmao |
| 09:03.21 | enouf | and this http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en particularly |
| 09:03.22 | kubitz | dpkg isn't there a business card version for that? |
| 09:03.39 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 09:03.40 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 09:03.44 | o2T7 | !tell Shailu about usb install |
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| 09:04.07 | stylus | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/49470 |
| 09:04.09 | mounika | hii |
| 09:04.33 | enouf | better read the news about r1 r2 r3 - here's some r1 diffs http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 09:04.43 | mounika | hiiii |
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| 09:05.17 | streuner | stylus: you are running prolly unstable now, so comment 5 + 6 (line) in your source.list with a # |
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| 09:06.16 | stylus | streuner: will do, thanks |
| 09:06.29 | streuner | stylus: non-us is history in Debian (line 5), you could just delete the whole line there |
| 09:07.14 | streuner | stylus: just run "aptitude update" and "aptitude debianutils" after that |
| 09:07.38 | streuner | stylus: erm, aptitude install debianutils |
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| 09:07.52 | stylus | alright |
| 09:08.05 | stylus | thanks for your help :) |
| 09:08.11 | streuner | !+tell stylus -about sid faq |
| 09:08.11 | dpkg | told stylus about sid faq. |
| 09:08.35 | Shailu | enouf : were could i fine that file |
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| 09:08.53 | enouf | that wiki usb boot article is a bit old now - USB-HD Boot Full Debian (last edited 2007-03-03 17:34:52 .. please point people to the installer -- and the d-i.pascal.net link even says to seethe Installation Guide (info integrated) |
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| 09:09.26 | stylus | streuner: ah, I see |
| 09:09.27 | girija | how to copy data to disk |
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| 09:10.18 | girija | from the debian |
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| 09:11.07 | theatro | girija, explain a little better; you want to get data from where and put them where? |
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| 09:11.58 | enouf | Shailu: see * other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc) section; here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 09:13.48 | Shailu | thank u enouf |
| 09:13.59 | girija | K y we convert the drives into fat32 |
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| 09:14.33 | mahi | guide me how to install debian from the pendrive stick |
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| 09:16.33 | enouf | mahi: i suppose you'll want to copy over the full ISO of the installer on the usb pen drive |
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| 09:17.19 | enouf | loop mount the ISO and copy over everything double check all - check sizes , etc |
| 09:17.20 | stylus | !ops clones, anudeep girija joe_ keith1 manju mounika mahi pooja rasinesh Shailu shanthi vindhu |
| 09:17.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stylus complains about: clones, anudeep girija joe_ keith1 manju mounika mahi pooja rasinesh Shailu shanthi vindhu |
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| 09:17.32 | mahi | enouf: ya i had did that thing do i need to change any syslinux boot options how to do that |
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| 09:17.48 | pooja | how can we install debian through usb? |
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| 09:18.09 | zinx | pooja: i think the install guide covers that |
| 09:18.22 | yash | how to install debian over network |
| 09:18.23 | o2T7 | !tell pooja about usb install |
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| 09:18.32 | clusty | hey |
| 09:18.38 | enouf | stylus: are all those people i see you mentioned spamming you in PM or something? |
| 09:18.45 | zinx | yash: i think the install guide covers that |
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| 09:18.54 | enouf | dpkg forget usb install |
| 09:18.54 | dpkg | i forgot usb install, enouf |
| 09:18.54 | clusty | can I make somehow apache use same authentification credentials as SSH? |
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| 09:19.03 | stylus | enouf: no, just joining the channel quickly. |
| 09:19.07 | clusty | it sucks having 2 sets of passwords overall |
| 09:19.14 | enouf | stylus: oh |
| 09:19.17 | stylus | all with the same IP. |
| 09:19.25 | stylus | probably a flood ahead |
| 09:19.25 | enouf | ok |
| 09:19.39 | enouf | stylus: yeah, well i already helped one of those |
| 09:19.58 | stylus | that was most likely an attempted distraction. |
| 09:20.08 | stylus | while they all joined |
| 09:20.13 | anudeep | what |
| 09:20.13 | zinx | heh |
| 09:20.18 | zinx | who cares |
| 09:20.19 | enouf | stylus: i have /join and /part messages off in my client due to all the netsplitting and crap |
| 09:20.28 | zinx | it's not like flooding actually does anything, even if that's what they're planning |
| 09:20.29 | stylus | that's fair enough |
| 09:21.02 | girija | how to copy data to disk |
| 09:21.07 | girija | from the debian |
| 09:21.08 | kloeri | flooding would get them kicked fairly quickly |
| 09:21.39 | yash | zinx which install guide |
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| 09:22.37 | zinx | !tell yash about ig |
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| 09:23.23 | nab | #translation |
| 09:23.45 | enouf | !usb install |
| 09:23.46 | dpkg | from memory, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Please find the details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images mentioned |
| 09:23.46 | yash | zinx i need details about install guide |
| 09:23.52 | yashwanth | tell me about installation of linux through net |
| 09:24.04 | nab | #translation |
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| 09:24.34 | zinx | yash: i've given you all the details anyone could ever give |
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| 09:24.55 | yash | where r u frm |
| 09:24.57 | appi | how to install debian thro network |
| 09:24.58 | pooja | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 09:25.13 | pooja | check out the previous link |
| 09:25.21 | yash | zinx what all the details did you give? |
| 09:25.29 | zinx | yash: the direct URL to the entire installation guide |
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| 09:26.18 | girija | how to compile gcc program |
| 09:26.24 | UNDERsoN | !kernel |
| 09:26.26 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.24.2, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.25-rc2-git2, 2.4: 2.4.36.1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc2-mm1 |
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| 09:26.59 | yash | zinx give me some sites which gives me informatin |
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| 09:27.14 | UNDERsoN | what is etch kurrent kernel version? |
| 09:27.23 | yash | zinx where r u frm |
| 09:27.29 | happla | UNDERsoN: 2.6.18 |
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| 09:28.12 | hotlildude619 | hi can anyone help me out in installing debian from a usb key |
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| 09:28.25 | beb | hello |
| 09:28.27 | UNDERsoN | happla: UNDERsoN: 2.6.18>> I need full version |
| 09:28.34 | yash | zinx hey are you there |
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| 09:28.45 | happla | UNDERsoN: pull it from kernel org? |
| 09:28.50 | UNDERsoN | is 2.6.18-5-686 the latest? |
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| 09:29.00 | UNDERsoN | for etch? |
| 09:29.18 | hotlildude619 | how do we boot from usb |
| 09:29.22 | happla | UNDERsoN: I dont understand your question |
| 09:30.23 | yash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.34 | pooja | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.41 | happla | UNDERsoN: what is it you are trying to do? |
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| 09:31.19 | enouf | stylus: i see - we have a bunch of b0z0s joining asking the same thing over and over - so, i just /ig ;-) (b0z0s belong in the b0z0 box ;-)) |
| 09:31.38 | yashwanth | appi arey appi em ra apple ani poorthi peru pettukovachu ga |
| 09:31.49 | UNDERsoN | happla: UNDERsoN: what is it you are trying to do?>>I'm not shure my crontab installed latest kernel |
| 09:31.52 | liable | huh? |
| 09:31.55 | enouf | ouryay othermay asway erehay astlay ightnay andway idday emay icenay ;-) |
| 09:32.03 | happla | UNDERsoN: ok, and now you need the source? |
| 09:32.07 | enouf | liable: ;-) |
| 09:32.15 | happla | UNDERsoN: really nice how you hilight yourself |
| 09:32.25 | enouf | liable: we have bots and nets and b0z0s .. oh my |
| 09:32.28 | beb | wat r u speaking?? |
| 09:32.29 | Udaya1 | how to install debian in a network |
| 09:32.48 | yashwanth | can any one give ma details of installation of debian through network or usb stick |
| 09:32.51 | Udaya1 | hi dis is udaya |
| 09:33.08 | vindhu | how to install debian using a network |
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| 09:33.46 | enouf | [04:30:10] Ignoring *!*@202.65.158.162 ... what a relief! see stylus ? easy ;-) |
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| 09:34.03 | yash | no one is there to give me details about dabian installation over network |
| 09:34.19 | zinx | yash: you've already been given a link to the entire installation guide, which covers that and many other topics |
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| 09:34.48 | mounika | hmmm |
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| 09:34.56 | yashwanth | yash no why shud some one give u the details u try it by urself |
| 09:35.06 | yash | zinx can you please send it once again |
| 09:35.35 | ere4si | how much hard drive space does the basic server install need? |
| 09:36.07 | zinx | !tell yash about ig |
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| 09:37.42 | yash | zinx can you send me some sites |
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| 09:37.44 | yashwanth | zinx do u know about installation of deb through network |
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| 09:38.19 | zinx | i could tell you all about it for $125/hr, or you could just read the installation guide |
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| 09:38.44 | ShredZ | Is apt-proxy the program to use or is there something 'better' ? |
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| 09:39.06 | yashwanth | zinx ok tell me i will pay u |
| 09:39.07 | zinx | shredz: depends on what you want to do |
| 09:39.34 | ShredZ | zinx lots of debian machines on this network and they all need about the same packages |
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| 09:39.42 | zinx | ShredZ: yeah, use apt-proxy |
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| 09:40.03 | zinx | shredz: the other option is a caching http proxy |
| 09:40.21 | zinx | ShredZ: like squid set up to cache or such |
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| 09:41.31 | naresh | heyyyyy |
| 09:41.36 | naresh | anybody from india |
| 09:41.54 | naresh | who know about bsnl |
| 09:42.29 | prakash | ya |
| 09:42.41 | beb | ya i'm 4rm bsnl |
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| 09:44.47 | yash | Zenton can you tell me hoe to install debian over network |
| 09:45.19 | naresh | hey beb |
| 09:45.28 | naresh | thanks for seeing u yaar |
| 09:45.30 | naresh | hey |
| 09:45.54 | naresh | can u tell me where can i get that option of typing username |
| 09:45.57 | naresh | n password |
| 09:46.25 | naresh | i m having that doubt from long time |
| 09:46.25 | beb | ver do u stay |
| 09:46.33 | naresh | hmmmm |
| 09:46.36 | naresh | hyderabad |
| 09:46.43 | wols | !tell yash about ig |
| 09:46.51 | wols | !tell naresh about enter |
| 09:46.51 | beb | ver r u nw |
| 09:47.06 | liable | guys, please take your talk elsewhere |
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| 09:49.28 | Manolo8 | Hi. I wanna download Debian Live CD for Intel Centrino Duo. 1) Debian has got Live CDs? 2) Why on debian website I can find i386 version, i64 version... and no way to understand for me which version is for my laptop? thanks |
| 09:49.36 | wols | !live cd |
| 09:49.36 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 09:49.59 | wols | Manolo8: ia64 is not for you |
| 09:50.11 | wols | Manolo8: you can either run i386 or amd64 |
| 09:50.54 | Manolo8 | wols: yeah... that's what I supposed... ia64 is not for me. Why amd64? |
| 09:51.08 | wols | cause it is. your cpu is 64bit capable |
| 09:51.29 | Manolo8 | wols: no... it's a 32bit processor |
| 09:51.35 | wols | but you probably need a newer kernel than on the etch installer |
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| 09:51.41 | naresh | i386 |
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| 09:51.44 | wols | !tell Manolo8 about kmuto |
| 09:51.53 | naresh | u can get that in debian site |
| 09:51.58 | wols | what cpu is it exactly? |
| 09:52.29 | Manolo8 | wols: Intel Centrino DUO |
| 09:52.44 | wols | centrino is a paltofrom. I asked about your CPU |
| 09:52.48 | enouf | ShredZ: zinx can't apt.conf be used to setup a proxy? maybe apt-proxy is designed for this specifically? never heard of it yet (ah $ apt-cache search apt-proxy shows some many things ;-)) |
| 09:52.49 | wols | there is no "centrino duo" cpu |
| 09:52.50 | wols | ever |
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| 09:53.03 | crumblenaut | what package is the dig command in? |
| 09:53.19 | Roobarb | crumblenaut: bind-utils |
| 09:53.21 | crumblenaut | thanks |
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| 09:53.28 | crumblenaut | would be nice if there was an easy way to find that |
| 09:53.35 | zinx | enouf: dunno, the last time i looked... was a very long time ago |
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| 09:53.47 | Manolo8 | wols... well... so I'm the only one having a Centrino Duo... at least it's what I read on a stamp om my laptop... |
| 09:53.51 | baz | hi guys, any idea why nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-k7 wants to install a 486 kernel? using etch. |
| 09:53.54 | crumblenaut | E: Couldn't find package bind-utils |
| 09:54.01 | enouf | crumblenaut: $ dlocate /usr/bin/dig |
| 09:54.01 | enouf | dnsutils: /usr/bin/dig |
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| 09:54.04 | wols | Manolo8: I asked about your CPU, not what laptop it is. answer the question |
| 09:54.18 | enouf | crumblenaut: install dlocate and apt-file ;-) |
| 09:54.56 | wols | there are core soloe. core duo and core2duo, so which is it? |
| 09:55.05 | Manolo8 | wols: sorry... I thought Centrino was a CPU :) well T2250 answer the question? |
| 09:55.13 | enouf | wols: don't allow yourself to be trolled |
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| 09:55.50 | enouf | Manolo8: go to processfinder.intel.com |
| 09:56.11 | enouf | Manolo8: er processerfinder.intel.com |
| 09:56.15 | Roobarb | Manolo8: Centrino Duo is probably 32bit x86 |
| 09:56.17 | pala | i added in the sources.list file a testing repository and run apt-get update. Now i try to install a package and a lot of other packages unrelated wants to get updated... how can i prevent that? |
| 09:56.25 | enouf | Manolo8: er processor? wtf? |
| 09:56.26 | wols | Manolo8: i386 only for you |
| 09:56.41 | wols | it's a yonah |
| 09:56.56 | wols | !tell pala about backports |
| 09:57.03 | wols | !tell pala about bobitt |
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| 09:57.06 | enouf | yeah, the early coreduos were 32bit |
| 09:57.07 | ggergely | hello |
| 09:57.07 | wols | pala: what you did was BAD |
| 09:57.15 | ggergely | i need some help about windowmaker |
| 09:57.25 | Manolo8 | Roobarb: yeah I know... It's a 32 bit processor... I was hardly trying to convince wols :) |
| 09:57.36 | Manolo8 | enouf: ? |
| 09:57.47 | enouf | your cpu flags would tell me |
| 09:57.49 | baz | hmm going round in circles here |
| 09:58.01 | ggergely | altough i use gentoo, one friend of mine has had a question, about ubunut :), and at shool we have debian, where i saw stuff working, that could help his problem |
| 09:58.03 | Manolo8 | so... If I have a 32bit processor I should chose i386 ... ? |
| 09:58.08 | enouf | Manolo8: yes |
| 09:58.11 | ggergely | he wants gnome menu under amker |
| 09:58.19 | ggergely | in debian i have seen a debian manu there |
| 09:58.22 | pala | wols, thanks |
| 09:58.24 | Manolo8 | ok! thanks a lot! |
| 09:58.25 | enouf | Manolo8: for 32bit x86 based , which is what you have ;-) |
| 09:58.30 | ggergely | where can i fond the apropriate piece of code? |
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| 09:59.54 | stylus | On the web, I see a lot of commands like "aptitude update" for example, yet -bash: aptitude: command not found. Is "aptitude" the same as "apt-get" etc.? |
| 10:00.42 | wols | stylus: what debian version? |
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| 10:01.09 | enouf | liable: wols i updated and reworded the "usb install" factoid just prior to these many simultaneous questions - have a look, i left the orig two URLs that were there tacked onto the end. |
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| 10:01.29 | Manolo8 | is it enough downloading that to run a Live CD and than install Debian? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 10:01.34 | baz | nm, figured it out myself |
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| 10:01.42 | enouf | (just so they weren't lost in case anyone had an issue with my updated info) |
| 10:01.43 | wols | Manolo8: that is no livecd |
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| 10:01.48 | pala | wols, is it possible to update package instead of a fresh install using this method? |
| 10:01.51 | wols | Manolo8: it's a debian install cd |
| 10:01.59 | wols | pala: yes |
| 10:01.59 | stylus | wols: an older one, I think |
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| 10:02.08 | stylus | wols: 2.6.11-co-0.6.4? |
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| 10:02.13 | wols | !tell stylus about version |
| 10:02.21 | wols | stylus: that is not debian |
| 10:02.21 | Manolo8 | wols: ok thanks... where can I find a Debian Live cd? |
| 10:02.35 | wols | Manolo8: I told you the factoid a few minutes ago. scroll up |
| 10:02.36 | stylus | wols: didn't think so >_> |
| 10:02.36 | enouf | !tell stylus about aptitude |
| 10:02.41 | stylus | will have a look. |
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| 10:04.21 | Manolo8 | wols: if you refer to http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ well it's not that clear how it's supposer to answer to "how to get a Live CD"? |
| 10:04.23 | Manolo8 | :S |
| 10:04.25 | stylus | wols: testing/unstable |
| 10:04.32 | stylus | that sounds like the problem. |
| 10:04.34 | enouf | you're welcome |
| 10:04.59 | wols | stylus: how old? |
| 10:05.06 | wols | stylus: what libc6? |
| 10:05.30 | wols | 10:49 < wols> !live cd |
| 10:05.47 | wols | and immediately after wards dpkg told you where to get a live cd |
| 10:06.05 | stylus | wols: 2.7-6 |
| 10:06.15 | wols | then you have aptitude |
| 10:06.34 | wols | Priority: important |
| 10:06.42 | Manolo8 | !live cd |
| 10:06.43 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 10:06.53 | Manolo8 | faster that way :) |
| 10:07.02 | ShredZ | When running apt-proxy, how can I add custom packages to its repository ? |
| 10:07.14 | stylus | wols: hmm, but the command 'aptitude' is not found. only apt-get etc. |
| 10:07.47 | wols | !tell stylus about installit |
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| 10:08.37 | stylus | wols: ok, thanks |
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| 10:09.27 | bgergo94 | hi |
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| 10:09.40 | bgergo94 | I have a problem with wmaker |
| 10:09.45 | Manolo8 | debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-CD.iso ; kde-CD.iso; standard-CD.iso; xfce-CD.iso ....the standard is command line only? |
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| 10:10.00 | reddy | hai |
| 10:10.12 | reddy | hai i am from hyderabad |
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| 10:10.30 | wols | the standard is gnome |
| 10:10.51 | wols | liable: another class found out about irc. this time from india |
| 10:11.05 | reddy | can any body give me the list of media playres in debian |
| 10:11.15 | wols | !tell reddy about search |
| 10:11.24 | wols | !tell reddy about dmm |
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| 10:11.39 | liable | wols: been a while since i have seen troll teamwork in here |
| 10:11.53 | reddy | wt is dmm |
| 10:12.05 | wols | reddy: read the PMs dpkg sent you |
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| 10:12.33 | reddy | ok |
| 10:12.39 | wols | wtf is wrong with freenodes clone policies? |
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| 10:12.58 | tralala | RichiH, around? 202.65.158.162 |
| 10:13.08 | themill | That's an awful lot of users from 202.65.158.162 |
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| 10:13.25 | Manolo8 | wols I see there's no live cd for the new debian release of february....is it? |
| 10:13.29 | wols | they're the same IP from a few days ago. that peruvian schoolclass |
| 10:13.50 | wols | Manolo8: there is no live release at all. it's alpha/beta |
| 10:14.00 | wols | and uszually the live cd is sid based, not etch |
| 10:14.08 | tralala | and this collective joins and parts are excersizes? |
| 10:14.17 | reddy | thanq wols |
| 10:14.43 | wols | tralala: unlikely |
| 10:15.12 | Manolo8 | wols: sorry... I'm quite confusing.... what am I supposed to download in here http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ do you call LIVE some alpha/beta? |
| 10:15.43 | wols | Manolo8: live is not officially released, period |
| 10:15.59 | wols | and you shouldn't download anything of those if you want to install debian on your harddisk. debian is NOT ubuntu |
| 10:16.42 | wols | if you want to install debian then read the install guide |
| 10:17.05 | wols | and download a debian installer. if you have ANY quetions about debian live, you have an IRC channel mentioned above where to ask |
| 10:17.08 | wols | not here |
| 10:17.17 | vindhu | can any one help me in installing debian over a network |
| 10:17.24 | wols | !tell wintix about ig |
| 10:17.28 | naresh | heyyyyy.......is any body there to clear my doubts |
| 10:17.32 | wols | !tell vw about ig |
| 10:17.41 | tralala | !typosmite wols |
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| 10:17.52 | tralala | vindhu, /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:17.54 | naresh | thankls wowls |
| 10:17.58 | naresh | hey |
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| 10:18.01 | Fereinor | hi |
| 10:18.02 | wols | tralala: rading it in the right order is even worse |
| 10:18.09 | Fereinor | does debian have any possibilities for vnc connection? |
| 10:18.12 | naresh | tell about that usename n password |
| 10:18.12 | reddy | is ir posible to connect internet with nokia mobile for debian OS |
| 10:18.20 | wols | naresh: lots. apt-cache search vnc |
| 10:18.31 | tralala | wols, maybe you've been typosmitten once too many ;) |
| 10:18.35 | wols | reddy: yes. depends on the mobile tho |
| 10:18.37 | Fereinor | wols, naresh? |
| 10:18.52 | wols | oops. |
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| 10:18.55 | wols | !tell Fereinor about vnc |
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| 10:19.06 | reddy | i am havaing nokia nseries |
| 10:19.12 | vindhu | i couldnt get you tralala |
| 10:19.13 | wols | Fereinor: apt-cache search vnc |
| 10:19.14 | Fereinor | I've been enlightened after using vnc on centos... It's like running a server on your home! |
| 10:19.27 | Manolo8 | wols: well... I hope so... I hope DEBIAN is not UBUNTU nor MANDRIVA... since i'm trying to get rid of them :) |
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| 10:19.30 | tralala | !+tell vindhu -about ig |
| 10:19.31 | dpkg | told vindhu about ig. |
| 10:19.39 | Manolo8 | !live |
| 10:19.39 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live, or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
| 10:19.43 | reddy | for windows they have given n19 drivers |
| 10:19.45 | wols | Fereinor: learn about remote X, ssh and all the fun stuff. vnc is a bad crutch |
| 10:19.52 | wols | !tell Manolo8 about selftell |
| 10:20.01 | Fereinor | I've been learning ssh enough for a while atm |
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| 10:20.12 | Fereinor | vnc gives me pleasure on other connection method can give |
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| 10:20.13 | Fereinor | :) |
| 10:20.29 | tralala | Fereinor, the ability to view porn remotely? |
| 10:20.44 | vindhu | tralala thank you |
| 10:20.47 | tralala | liable, ops, sorry |
| 10:20.47 | Fereinor | CAN I WATCH PORN REMOTELY WITH VNC?!?!?! |
| 10:20.57 | Manolo8 | wols thanks for selftell :) |
| 10:20.57 | Fereinor | omg, I think I'm gonna passout |
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| 10:21.18 | reddy | wols give me replay |
| 10:21.27 | tralala | vindhu, you're welcome |
| 10:21.30 | my007ms | is there option for lftp to exit once can not login |
| 10:21.36 | my007ms | and not keep try to reconnect |
| 10:21.41 | themill | !tell intelikey about root |
| 10:21.43 | wols | Fereinor: not really. unless you like your pr0n at 2fps |
| 10:21.55 | vindhu | ok i have seen the site before tralala |
| 10:22.03 | Fereinor | 2fps is fine for me! |
| 10:22.03 | Manolo8 | wols: well... "tell" dpkg that #debian-live does not exists.... |
| 10:22.07 | wols | reddy: demanding an answer gets you nowhere. FAST. go away |
| 10:22.11 | tralala | my007ms, if there is it would be in the manual |
| 10:22.18 | vindhu | may i know who are you |
| 10:22.20 | wols | Manolo8: you are wrong and are unable to read |
| 10:22.37 | reddy | i am just requesting |
| 10:23.23 | Fereinor | how often does ppl here use vnc connection? Or are you friends with ssh only? |
| 10:23.24 | my007ms | tralala there is no think do u know very advanced ftp client |
| 10:23.34 | vindhu | tralala are you from india |
| 10:23.36 | wols | my007ms: lftp |
| 10:23.37 | mosno | Fereinor: used it today |
| 10:23.44 | wols | vindhu: do you have a debian related question? |
| 10:23.46 | tralala | Fereinor, vnc can be used securely over ssh, read about port forwarding |
| 10:23.53 | Manolo8 | wols: ok sorry... since you're right and you're able to read... can you please tell me why you said "for live ask the channel above"? |
| 10:23.53 | Fereinor | My life has changed, totally |
| 10:23.54 | enouf | Manolo8: stop being idiotic please |
| 10:24.04 | wols | !live cd |
| 10:24.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 10:24.09 | tralala | vindhu, no |
| 10:24.18 | Fereinor | all newbies should be told about vnc instantly |
| 10:24.22 | wols | Manolo8: no read that until you understand it. I can see it could take a whikle |
| 10:24.22 | reddy | hai vindhu |
| 10:24.28 | my007ms | wols lftp is great but have very bad problem it's keep reconnect when it can not login this make me can not use it in script |
| 10:24.41 | wols | my007ms: ncftpget |
| 10:24.48 | reddy | bye every body |
| 10:24.54 | vindhu | yes wolf i wanted to know the installation of debian in a network |
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| 10:25.13 | Manolo8 | enouf: sorry... can you please tell me what's wrong? |
| 10:25.14 | wols | vindhu: and I gave you the link to the ig. if you don't read, it's your problem |
| 10:25.18 | tralala | vindhu, yes, and the installation guide explains this |
| 10:25.33 | vindhu | then to which country you belong tralala |
| 10:25.42 | Fereinor | vindhu: where do you live in india? |
| 10:25.47 | tralala | wols, well you would have given him a link had you succeeded doing a tab completion |
| 10:25.49 | wols | vindhu: this is a debian support channel. for smalltalk there is #defocus |
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| 10:26.19 | wols | tralala: good thing you were here to save me |
| 10:26.22 | enouf | i see no vindhu - must be in my b0z0 box ;-) |
| 10:26.28 | smallGnome | gnooooooooome power |
| 10:26.33 | dokma | hi guys |
| 10:26.36 | tralala | wols, oh, you're welcome - that's what friends are for ;P |
| 10:26.37 | Manolo8 | wols: ok... it sais "debian may one day have its own LiveCD"... that's clear... but you can do realize that channel is empty... at least for me :S |
| 10:26.41 | smallGnome | !greet dokma |
| 10:26.41 | dpkg | Wassup, dokma |
| 10:26.51 | wols | !moron Manolo8 |
| 10:26.51 | dpkg | Manolo8: You are moron #61 |
| 10:26.58 | Fereinor | !greet me |
| 10:26.58 | dpkg | Hi there, fereinor |
| 10:27.03 | Fereinor | intelligent |
| 10:27.08 | wols | Manolo8: and learn to read all of the factoid. not just the first line |
| 10:27.12 | Manolo8 | moron #61 ?!? |
| 10:27.15 | dokma | what is the best way to make apache2 start with niceness of -19? |
| 10:27.23 | tralala | it's sunday today, isn't it |
| 10:27.24 | wols | Manolo8: you've been given tat same factoid now 3 times already in this channel |
| 10:27.41 | liable | tralala: not even on mars |
| 10:27.42 | Fereinor | tralala: Yesterday I was living on saturday, for real |
| 10:27.54 | wols | and it CLEARLY says #debian-live on oftc.net |
| 10:28.25 | tralala | liable, no, of course, not on mars. Only in here on #debian |
| 10:28.37 | dokma | should I edit /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
| 10:28.39 | tralala | the sunday that never ends |
| 10:28.41 | themill | !permasunday |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 10:28.42 | enouf | there's some confusion about two separate factoids, "live" and "live cd" |
| 10:28.50 | Fereinor | lol |
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| 10:29.09 | wols | enouf: which is why I gave him the live cd one. every frigging time |
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| 10:29.15 | Manolo8 | wols: well I don't know what 'factoid' means... |
| 10:29.20 | enouf | wols: righto - thought so ;-) |
| 10:29.31 | wols | what dpkg bombards you with and what you ignore |
| 10:29.36 | enouf | wols: i think i'll update the other one .. hrm? |
| 10:29.43 | wols | enouf: good idea |
| 10:29.46 | enouf | ok |
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| 10:30.02 | Manolo8 | wols factoid: something resembling a fact; unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print |
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| 10:31.05 | wols | Manolo8: the factoid I gave you is right. 100% right. there is currently a channel on oftc named #debian-live with 20 presons or so. even if they are not as active as #debian |
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| 10:31.43 | wols | themill: I've seen this guy before I think. he wasn't as stupid then |
| 10:31.54 | enouf | wols: all i did was squeeze this text in "on oftc.net (irc.debian.org)" where the #debian-live comment is - i'm not sure about the URLS within the link and do not feel i am qualified atm, since i don't follow the live cd aspect much |
| 10:31.58 | wols | ernm, was as stpid. no negation |
| 10:32.25 | Manolo8 | wols: ok so my chatzilla sucks and opens a new channel with only me inside... |
| 10:32.29 | wols | alitoh url exists. I've been there. it gives you pointers where to go |
| 10:32.32 | bulibuta | hello, I've just created a custom debian cd for a client, and I want to give him the option of reconfiguring his network w/o manually editing /etc/network/*, is there any dialog-based tool or the like? |
| 10:32.39 | wols | Manolo8: it's on another server. OFTC |
| 10:33.00 | wols | bulibuta: there is gnome-network-manager |
| 10:33.14 | bulibuta | wols: thanks but I don't use X |
| 10:33.17 | wols | Manolo8: and while chatzilla is not the most featureful client it's not the client that sucks |
| 10:33.26 | wols | bulibuta: then start to learn vi |
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| 10:33.37 | bulibuta | I know vi :-) |
| 10:33.44 | wols | congrats then |
| 10:33.48 | o2T7 | Please, the command for building dlocate's database :) ? |
| 10:33.53 | petemc | bulibuta: there used to be a package called etherconf |
| 10:33.59 | bulibuta | wols: as I said its not for me, its for a coustomer |
| 10:34.00 | Manolo8 | wols... sorry... did't know OFTC was a server... |
| 10:34.02 | wols | o2T7: updatedb (usually as root) |
| 10:34.08 | bulibuta | petemc: found that but it seems its obsolete |
| 10:34.11 | Manolo8 | anyway try to relax all of you.... |
| 10:34.15 | bulibuta | petemc: and missing |
| 10:34.16 | wols | it gets called every 6:25 am on a debian box. if the box is not up then anacrn helps |
| 10:34.28 | o2T7 | wols: Thank You |
| 10:34.37 | petemc | bulibuta: right, im not aware of anything to replace it |
| 10:34.38 | wols | *anacron |
| 10:34.40 | tralala | bulibuta, netenv? |
| 10:34.51 | bulibuta | tralala: I'll check that, thanks |
| 10:35.07 | enouf | o2T7: man dlocate :-p |
| 10:35.45 | Manolo8 | smallGnome: wols: themill: relax |
| 10:35.58 | Manolo8 | see ya |
| 10:36.07 | Manolo8 | and thanks for your time |
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| 10:37.43 | o2T7 | oops, yes, it was in the "see also" section |
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| 10:44.41 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 10:45.24 | zwerg | I yesterday upgraded my SID system and my screen keeps blank when starting X. |
| 10:45.47 | enouf | o2T7: upon first installing a new pkg, use dpkg -S pkgname to see it's installed files = find the /usr/share/pkg and /doc stuff |
| 10:45.58 | zwerg | For a very short time I see something but then it goes blank. Tried both intel and vesa drivers. Any ideas? |
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| 10:46.36 | o2T7 | enouf: That's exactly what i was looking for. The problem is that i forget each time! |
| 10:46.45 | enouf | o2T7: rather than running updatedb everytime ;-) but once the /etc/cron.daily runs it's /find, your db should be updated ;-) |
| 10:47.06 | enouf | gah |
| 10:47.12 | enouf | dpkg -L pkgname |
| 10:47.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching pkgname |
| 10:47.47 | ShredZ | How do I add a .deb to a local apt repository ? |
| 10:48.02 | tralala | ShredZ, /msg dpkg local repo |
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| 10:48.33 | tralala | *own repo |
| 10:48.36 | o2T7 | Well, both things indeed: See which package does a command belong to, and see which files (and commands) does a package provide |
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| 10:51.47 | smallGnome | !tell zwerg about sid |
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| 10:53.00 | enouf | er silly question - can i presume if i grab .23 sources off of kernel.org that it'll be patched for the vmsplice thing? |
| 10:53.21 | zwerg | smallGnome: Yep, thanks, I do know that. On my other system the upgrade went well that's why I'm asking. |
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| 10:55.04 | sauvin | I've recently updated debian etch - can I presume that a fix for the vmsplice exploit was included? |
| 10:55.21 | smallGnome | zwerg: it's just that the general consensus is that if you have problems with SID, especially after upgrading something, it's your problems. there's normally a huge chance of something being broken and you have to reinstall an earlier version |
| 10:55.37 | lenoblow | hey, i've got a ext3 partition that is painfully slow. I want to replace it with reiser. any pointers of how to do this? (like, how can i ensure ALL files are copied with correct permissions?) |
| 10:56.04 | themill | lenoblow: don't |
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| 10:56.27 | lenoblow | don't switch filesystems? |
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| 10:59.12 | themill | lenoblow: particularly not to reiser. It's the only filesystem that people ever come in here asking questions about how to recover their data. |
| 10:59.35 | lenoblow | hmm |
| 10:59.50 | lenoblow | see we had reiser on our old server, we lost data |
| 10:59.56 | lenoblow | that's why we switched to ext3 |
| 11:00.08 | themill | Once bitten, twice shy... |
| 11:00.14 | lenoblow | but we have multiple users access samba shares containing thousands of files, and it lags like a bitch with ext3 |
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| 11:00.42 | smallGnome | are you sure ext3 is your bottleneck? |
| 11:00.44 | themill | lenoblow: are you sure that ext3 has anything to do with that? the network protocol is more likely to be the hassle |
| 11:01.01 | zinx | reiser3 lagged even more for me locally, especially with small files and lots of files in a directory |
| 11:01.06 | lenoblow | well /var is the only ext3 partition, and /var is the only partition that is painfully slow |
| 11:01.27 | zinx | lenoblow: put noatime,nodiratime in the mount options |
| 11:01.43 | enouf | sauvin: yes |
| 11:01.53 | lenoblow | thanks zinx, i'll try that |
| 11:02.07 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of a dock type app like kxdocker, but not KDE based? |
| 11:02.22 | enouf | sauvin: debian kernels i know about ;-) http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/releases/linux-2.6/2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=10501&sc=1 |
| 11:02.44 | enouf | sauvin: you DO have security.debian.org repos listed, yes? |
| 11:03.14 | sauvin | I should... moment. |
| 11:03.32 | sauvin | yes, i do. |
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| 11:03.49 | zwerg | Is there no difference between intel and i810 drivers anymore or is it just that Debian has only one of them? |
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| 11:04.02 | smallGnome | sauvin: about vmsplice... try it. http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092 |
| 11:04.03 | smallGnome | :) |
| 11:04.20 | sauvin | Thank you, no. |
| 11:05.12 | danisahne | someone know to attach this options to update-initramfs? --with=xennet --preload=xenblk |
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| 11:08.47 | smallGnome | sauvin: it's not a dangerous exploit. you run the code as a normal user and you end up as root if it works. it doesn't break anything |
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| 11:10.00 | zinx | smallGnome: point them to the one that disables vmsplice instead :/ |
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| 11:10.18 | UNDERsoN | can't find debian 3.1 iso help me please |
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| 11:10.35 | smallGnome | ... |
| 11:10.54 | wols | !sarge |
| 11:10.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:11.46 | UNDERsoN | 3.1_r6a "a" mean alpha? |
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| 11:12.08 | snakeoil | i still have problems with ftp2.de.debian.org while ftp.debian.org works for "testing". i believe the index/checksums are broken on ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 11:12.12 | o2T7 | ancient? :) |
| 11:12.18 | lenoblow | zinx, themill: noatime+nodiratime has made my ext3 fs super fast :D thanks for your help :) |
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| 11:12.25 | zinx | UNDERsoN: you should strongly consider using etch rather than sarge |
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| 11:12.30 | zinx | lenoblow: :) |
| 11:12.48 | themill | lenoblow: good to hear it. Have fun ;) |
| 11:13.18 | sauvin | kk, I tried that sploit code... it spat out a table-like thing, including the line "vmsplice: bad address". |
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| 11:13.47 | UNDERsoN | zinx program which I need works better with sarge |
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| 11:15.34 | zinx | UNDERsoN: r6a is revision 6, with patch a (patch a included a minor patch that resolved some problems wrt kernel selection) |
| 11:15.47 | zinx | UNDERsoN: but you shouldn't use sarge |
| 11:16.37 | sauvin | Erm.. do the updates "update" etch users to KDE4? |
| 11:16.44 | zinx | UNDERsoN: erh, that was r5.. r6a solved a symlink issue :P |
| 11:17.18 | zinx | UNDERsoN: in any case, it's 100% obsolete and unsupported, and likely to contain a number of security problems that will get your box rooted, but it's not alpha |
| 11:17.31 | enouf | sauvin: poke around here for info about that http://times.debian.net/ see #debian-kde |
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| 11:18.04 | enouf | sauvin: oh .. heh, Etch will never have kde4 , but Stable might some day ;-) |
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| 11:21.16 | sauvin | I noticed something about kde4libs, I thought... |
| 11:21.22 | enouf | ok, i need a favor now |
| 11:21.31 | enouf | can someone pastebin your /etc/default/rcS for me? i did a bad sed to it ;-) |
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| 11:22.12 | sauvin | Do you promise my etch doesn't get "updated" to KDE4 without my actually subverting something on purpose? |
| 11:22.51 | enouf | sauvin: etch is frozen - learn about what the r1 2 3 are |
| 11:22.52 | sauvin | And what's this "vmsplice: bad address" when I run the exploit code? |
| 11:23.07 | enouf | http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 11:23.11 | enouf | for ex |
| 11:23.12 | sauvin | Mmkay, cool. "frozen" is what I wanted. |
| 11:23.27 | UNDERsoN | zinx: UNDERsoN: in any case, it's 100% obsolete and unsupported, and likely to contain a number of security problems that will get your box rooted, but it's not alpha>> On mirrow I find 3.1r7 |
| 11:23.53 | smallGnome | sauvin: i'd guess that means it doesn't work |
| 11:24.05 | smallGnome | sauvin: i'm not on a linux box right now, but i'll test it when i get home |
| 11:24.33 | sauvin | it means the currently running kernel isn't vulnerable? |
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| 11:26.57 | o2T7 | enouf: http://paste.lisp.org/display/56135 |
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| 11:27.07 | tralala | sauvin, that would depend on the version of the currently running kernel |
| 11:27.21 | badcfe | does the MemTotal line in /proc/meminfo say how much the machine has physically installed? |
| 11:27.38 | o2T7 | badcfe: I do think so |
| 11:27.56 | enouf | o2T7: thanks |
| 11:28.15 | sauvin | Folks, thanks for everything, but I think it's time for this old boy to head off to bed. Have to be up in six-point-five hours. |
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| 11:28.49 | o2T7 | np :) |
| 11:28.59 | zinx | UNDERsoN: http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ doesn't list revision 7 |
| 11:29.39 | stylus | I'm having a problem with exim. just ran "aptitude upgrade" and now I'm getting this when I use aptitude again: 2008-02-19 11:11:06 1JRQNO-0000AV-00 Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=8 egid=8 |
| 11:30.02 | badcfe | free shows Mem: 2076116 2032448 43668 0 52760 1870484 |
| 11:30.12 | stylus | any ideas what might be causing that? don't even know what exim is.. -_- |
| 11:30.15 | badcfe | and it shows that swap is used. should i install more memory? |
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| 11:30.32 | Grab | hello, do you think amule is better than emule on windows? |
| 11:30.33 | enouf | !exim4 |
| 11:30.33 | dpkg | hmm... exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 11:31.02 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:31.13 | Rada | How do I select a package of a different architecture to be installed on my system? |
| 11:31.20 | stylus | enouf: is that for me? :) |
| 11:31.25 | Rada | Eg, I'm running amd64 and want some 32bit libs installed. |
| 11:31.29 | enouf | man update-exim<tab><tab> |
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| 11:31.35 | enouf | if the shoe fits ;-) |
| 11:31.45 | stylus | thanks enouf |
| 11:31.48 | tralala | Rada, you can't. Read the amd64 howto to learn how to setup a 32bit chroot |
| 11:31.49 | petemc | stylus: chown Debian-exim /var/log/exim4/ |
| 11:31.52 | enouf | np |
| 11:32.18 | petemc | stylus: chown Debian-exim:adm /var/log/exim4/ , i mean |
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| 11:32.28 | tralala | Rada, /msg dpkg 32-bit chroot |
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| 11:32.52 | stylus | petemc: that allows the file to be opened, i guess? |
| 11:33.01 | Rada | tralala: thank you. |
| 11:33.06 | tralala | Rada, you're welcome |
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| 11:33.35 | o2T7 | !tell stylus about chown |
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| 11:34.06 | masus | hi ,im having a problem installing Debian etch in IBM xSeries 206m. it cant find my scsi drive. Does anyone have experience installing debian in xSeries 206m? |
| 11:34.09 | enouf | Access: (2750/drwxr-s---) Uid: ( 102/Debian-exim) Gid: ( 4/ adm) |
| 11:34.15 | stylus | o2T7: yes, I know about the command. |
| 11:34.54 | o2T7 | stylus: sorry :) |
| 11:34.55 | tralala | masus, is this newish hardware? |
| 11:34.57 | enouf | !tell masus -about laptop |
| 11:35.24 | enouf | masus: thinkwiki.org perhaps? |
| 11:35.30 | stylus | np, o2T7 |
| 11:35.43 | enouf | you sure it's not Sata? |
| 11:36.17 | enouf | gah - if it's not even a laptop - i apologize |
| 11:36.41 | Grab | is there a little simple linux distro? i just need it to run amule |
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| 11:37.44 | o2T7 | Grab: LFS? |
| 11:38.09 | Bushmills | Grab: aptitude install amule |
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| 11:40.04 | masus | enouf it's not a laptop |
| 11:40.12 | masus | it's a ibm server |
| 11:40.28 | tralala | Grab, there is - debian |
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| 11:41.18 | Grab | haha |
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| 11:42.40 | masus | tralala: 2 years old |
| 11:43.08 | masus | here is a link http://www.superwarehouse.com/IBM_xSeries_206m_8485_3.0_GHz_SATA-150_Server/848512U/p/643275 |
| 11:43.14 | enouf | masus: ok, find out the controller - add support - whether through a boot parameter or you might need a newer kernel |
| 11:43.41 | enouf | 2 years old sounds fine for etch though ;-) |
| 11:43.49 | DustyBin | if i swap my ATI graphics card with a nvidia card, i can just edit a few things in xorg and its sorted |
| 11:43.52 | DustyBin | however, what would happen to my windows install? |
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| 11:44.17 | Bushmills | DustyBin: for 2d, yes. edit one thing in xorg.conf |
| 11:44.34 | Bushmills | DustyBin: for accel 3d, you need to install extra stuff |
| 11:44.35 | DustyBin | would windows need re-installing? |
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| 11:44.43 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware heh, dated |
| 11:44.45 | Bushmills | windows? ask #windows |
| 11:44.54 | tralala | masus, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 11:45.07 | tralala | masus, try with a newer kernel ^^ |
| 11:45.19 | masus | ok thanks |
| 11:45.41 | liable | a two year old sata controller you would think would be supported. |
| 11:45.43 | tralala | sure |
| 11:46.24 | zinx | liable: not in etch :P (i wouldn't think it would be supported.. even though it probably should be) |
| 11:46.26 | tralala | liable, considering that the etch kernel is also that old, propbably not |
| 11:46.42 | enouf | masus: that should be a non-issue |
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| 11:47.13 | enouf | what a dump - IBm doesn;t even mention the Chipset in all the specs lol http://www.superwarehouse.com/IBM_xSeries_206m_8485_3.0_GHz_SATA-150_Server/848512U/ps/643275 |
| 11:47.14 | tralala | enouf, it only is if you need to use the hard disk |
| 11:47.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how do I give nm-applet permanent and automatic access to the default keyring ? |
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| 11:47.38 | zinx | enouf: unfortunately it's common these days to not give any details on the hardware at all |
| 11:47.47 | enouf | liable: especially a p4 CPU .. hehe |
| 11:48.06 | enouf | zinx: just plain stupid |
| 11:48.12 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: in the security preferences |
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| 11:48.26 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: set it to automatically unlock the default keyring when you log in |
| 11:48.39 | liable | zinx: huh, i havent searched for any mobos that i couldnt find chipset info on |
| 11:48.46 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: i doubt there's a way to do it per-application |
| 11:48.46 | enouf | sata 150 and ddr2 ? wtf? |
| 11:49.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | zinx, administration -> keyring manager? |
| 11:49.34 | zinx | liable: you haven't searched for the kinds of motherboards shrink-wrap computer makers use, then :P |
| 11:49.54 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: that may do it.. i think it will probably be something in the user prefs though, rather than under administration |
| 11:50.12 | liable | zinx: true |
| 11:50.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | zinx, dont have any security stuff there |
| 11:50.34 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: hmm |
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| 11:52.59 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: there's something to do it.. my desktop doesn't have it, though.. i would have to look on my laptop to see which package provides it :x |
| 11:54.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | zinx, ok |
| 11:54.16 | enouf | masus: try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" at the boot prompt (or "installgui .. " or "expert .. ") hit the Fn keys for options - enable AHCI in your BIOS if it's there under SATA/IDE config |
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| 11:54.56 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: going to boot it up, actually.. need to do some stuff on it anyway |
| 11:55.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | zinx, :p |
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| 11:56.02 | enouf | AHA! * Integrated Serial-ATA (SATA) and Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) controllers (model dependant) |
| 11:56.09 | enouf | SAS .. ;-) |
| 11:56.15 | Dave_is_sexy | can i instal debian on a machine with no keyboard? |
| 11:56.35 | zinx | enouf: that's a different type of controller, in case you're thinking that's the chipset |
| 11:56.47 | enouf | ... |
| 11:56.58 | enouf | i know what sas is ;-) |
| 11:57.11 | zinx | Dave_is_sexy: you can if you plug a keyboard in to it, or install it on another machine then swap it to the machine with no keyboard on it |
| 11:57.20 | enouf | and if you don't it's right there ;-) |
| 11:57.35 | zinx | Dave_is_sexy: but the installer itself requires a keyboard |
| 11:57.43 | zinx | Dave_is_sexy: somewhere, at least :P |
| 11:57.49 | Dave_is_sexy | oh :( |
| 11:58.03 | Dave_is_sexy | waht about ssh? or a network install? |
| 11:58.08 | zinx | Dave_is_sexy: that is possible |
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| 11:58.29 | Dave_is_sexy | and the installer wont say something retarded like "push any key to continue" |
| 11:58.49 | stylus | at the moment, whenever I use sudo I get this: sudo: unable to resolve host <mycomputername> |
| 11:58.53 | zinx | Dave_is_sexy: you have to follow a different procedure to do serial/network/ssh installs |
| 11:59.02 | stylus | the command still works, but what is causing this message? |
| 11:59.14 | zinx | Dave_is_sexy: and i'm not sure two of those are listed anywhere.. the other probably won't help you much :P |
| 11:59.37 | Dave_is_sexy | :( |
| 11:59.45 | zinx | stylus: i would imagine a lack of <yourcomputername> in /etc/hosts |
| 11:59.45 | tralala | stylus, missing record in /etc/hosts probably |
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| 12:00.58 | stylus | tralala, zinx: /etc/hosts does not even exist atm. |
| 12:01.03 | xand | what's the website with recent kernels for etch? |
| 12:01.13 | stylus | what should be in there? |
| 12:01.22 | Bushmills | Dave_is_sexy: it is possible, though a bit tricky, to install to a different system, configure that, and transfer the whole system to the target. I've been installing debian to machines where I only had ssh access too. but I doubt that you'd find a detailled how-to for this. |
| 12:01.25 | o2T7 | stylus: echo "127.0.0.1 localhost" at least |
| 12:01.34 | Bushmills | to |
| 12:01.34 | o2T7 | stylus: echo "127.0.0.1 localhost" > /etc/hosts at least |
| 12:01.37 | tralala | stylus, what are you doing? Why don't you have /etc/hosts? |
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| 12:01.46 | Dave_is_sexy | bushmills: oh :( |
| 12:02.06 | Dave_is_sexy | I jjust want to run Luxrender, but not on horrible xp |
| 12:02.13 | stylus | tralala: don't ask me. debian was installed with coLinux, so blame it. |
| 12:02.26 | Bushmills | problems are that you must be able to trust your configuration blindly. hardware support, and such. |
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| 12:03.18 | tralala | stylus, add "127.0.0.1 localhost yourhostname your.full.domain.name" in there |
| 12:03.20 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: seems the one under normal user prefs is something else.. try the keyring manager :x |
| 12:03.21 | stylus | tralala: I lied. it exists.. |
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| 12:03.28 | stylus | tralala: ok. thanks |
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| 12:03.33 | Bushmills | once done I kept me a small "install" image where I only needed to modify a few things for adapting that to a new system. |
| 12:03.52 | tralala | stylus, since it exists, just edit the localhost line, don't add a second one |
| 12:04.01 | xand | ok... if I have an etch install with kmuto kernel, how should I update the kernel to fix security holes? manually? |
| 12:04.17 | stylus | tralala: yep, no worries |
| 12:04.38 | o2T7 | stylus: in that line should appear also the host name returned by command `hostname` |
| 12:05.06 | stylus | o2T7: alright |
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| 12:08.10 | Dave_is_sexy | ok, lets say I have debian on an old disk already, which should still run, does it have an on screen keyboard? |
| 12:08.26 | enouf | xand: i got a better question - find me in www.kernel.org/pub/linux/ kernel/v2.6/ in any of the changelogs , the fix mentioned |
| 12:08.29 | Dave_is_sexy | or a mouse-only way of getting one, or instslling vnc? |
| 12:08.48 | xand | enouf: why? |
| 12:08.49 | enouf | fix the url |
| 12:09.05 | enouf | why? what do we do about vanilla sources? |
| 12:09.30 | enouf | i need point releases to apply other non vmsplice patches to |
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| 12:11.26 | tralala | Dave_is_sexy, what are you trying to do? |
| 12:12.29 | enouf | like the braille and speakup stuff - i found the Debian changelog info - etch was easiest http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/releases/linux-2.6/2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=10501&sc=1 , lenny a bit tougher = http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.22-6.lenny1/changelog |
| 12:12.30 | Dave_is_sexy | tralala: I want to use my powerful machine as a dedicated 3d renderer. |
| 12:12.36 | enouf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2008/msg00056.html |
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| 12:13.09 | Dave_is_sexy | However, I first have to set that up, without a keyboard |
| 12:13.23 | tralala | Dave_is_sexy, set it up over ssh |
| 12:13.25 | enouf | fuck it |
| 12:13.33 | Dave_is_sexy | I don't know how to do that |
| 12:13.44 | enouf | let the blind kid get rooted, why should i care |
| 12:13.56 | Dave_is_sexy | isn't ssh a protocol? don't i need a language? |
| 12:14.00 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, he ain't your kid |
| 12:14.36 | o2T7 | Dave_is_sexy: You just need an openssh client |
| 12:14.47 | enouf | no he isn't, but you are... so watch your tongue |
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| 12:15.17 | tralala | Dave_is_sexy, assuming your dedicated rendering machine is running sshd, you can connect to it from another machine, and set it up remotely |
| 12:15.48 | ktwilight[m] | enouf, stfu |
| 12:16.01 | enouf | blow me b0z0 |
| 12:16.06 | ktwilight[m] | o0o |
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| 12:16.38 | Dave_is_sexy | tralala: it'll just have a plain unchanged brand-new Debain 3.1 on it, and a mouse |
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| 12:17.45 | tralala | Dave_is_sexy, a plain, unchanged, brand-new debian might or might not have sshd running |
| 12:17.58 | Dave_is_sexy | can i turn it on with a mouse? |
| 12:18.33 | tralala | Dave_is_sexy, I doubt it |
| 12:18.34 | Dave_is_sexy | ..or if it comes with the gnome onscreen keyboard, problem solved |
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| 12:20.46 | dhe-` | Hello my clamav-daemon needs 10 minutes to start up. How can i pimp that? |
| 12:21.08 | o2T7 | Didn't 3.1 include sshd by default? |
| 12:21.43 | o2T7 | dhe-`: Perhaps you can look for the problem in the programs logs |
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| 12:22.10 | tralala | o2T7, my wetware db cannot access information that old |
| 12:22.38 | dhe-` | o2T7: it isnt a problem the cpu does 10 minutes 100% for the startup |
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| 12:23.20 | o2T7 | dhe-`: Couln't it be a configuration problem? |
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| 12:24.13 | dhe-` | o2T7 no its debian default |
| 12:24.57 | petemc | no it isnt |
| 12:25.26 | o2T7 | I mean that perhaps clamav is probing something skippable by configure options. Just an idea, i even didn't use that software before, sorry |
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| 12:26.33 | onur | Hi. I have 3 debian 4.0r2 DVD isos. If i download the update isos, can i make r3 dvd? |
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| 12:28.27 | tralala | onur, normally the updates are released on a separed cd, so you should be able to get it (aka service pack) |
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| 12:28.51 | gonzaloaf_laptop | zinx, did you found the pkg? |
| 12:29.38 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: doesn't exist |
| 12:29.45 | zinx | gonzaloaf_laptop: try the keyring manager, not sure what it does tbh |
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| 12:32.56 | DustyBin | if you want a cutting edge desktop what still resembles debian, is ubuntu a good way to go? |
| 12:33.51 | o2T7 | DustyBin: debian is a good way to go |
| 12:34.04 | DustyBin | o2T7: since when has debian been cutting edge? |
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| 12:34.20 | o2T7 | Since i know it :) |
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| 12:34.57 | tralala | DustyBin, you can go with debian unstable, but the cutting edge will cut you bleeding. |
| 12:34.57 | gourmand | DustyBin: try lenny -- it is more up-to-date than gutsy |
| 12:35.34 | DustyBin | gourmand: since when was a testing distro meant for normal desktop users? |
| 12:35.47 | DustyBin | testing is for people who will test it and submit bugs |
| 12:35.58 | o2T7 | ubuntu too |
| 12:36.12 | \amethyst | Debian is for people who will test it and submit bugs |
| 12:36.44 | gourmand | DustyBin: lenny actually has LESS bugs than etch, check it out: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 12:36.48 | DustyBin | if i install the default debian gnome desktop on etch, does it contain a desktop package update feature? |
| 12:36.49 | tralala | DustyBin, you can go with ubuntu, but you won't get ubuntu help here and from what I understand #ubuntu isn't all that helpful |
| 12:36.55 | o2T7 | By extending the aseveration: GNU/linux is for people who will test it and submit bugs :) |
| 12:37.17 | DustyBin | gourmand: lenny isnt meant to be installed by anyone |
| 12:37.41 | tralala | DustyBin, there are backports for etch, but it is not guaranteed to be cutting edge |
| 12:37.51 | DustyBin | yep |
| 12:38.18 | DustyBin | ive tried quite a few distros out, and the thing i find to be the most important feature is for the fonts too look the absolute best |
| 12:38.33 | DustyBin | out of all the desktop type distros ive installed, fedora 8 fonts look the best |
| 12:38.37 | DustyBin | why? |
| 12:38.45 | o2T7 | sorry: s/aseveration/assertion/ :) |
| 12:39.10 | o2T7 | DustyBin: fonts ??? |
| 12:39.24 | DustyBin | o2T7: more to do with the way the fonts are rendered |
| 12:39.25 | tralala | DustyBin, debian isn't focused on having the best look&feel. It's focused on getting the job done. |
| 12:39.57 | DustyBin | fonts IMO is the single most important thing for a desktop linux box, as you spend most of the time in the terminal |
| 12:39.59 | o2T7 | I don't think that default fonts are the criteria to determine a system or distribution quality of cutting-edge :P |
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| 12:40.18 | DustyBin | i think FC8 uses the latest freetype engine what renders the fonts perfectluy |
| 12:40.31 | DustyBin | lenny doesnt seem to achieve that |
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| 12:41.24 | DustyBin | if the fonts look good, im there |
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| 12:41.47 | gourmand | DustyBin: lenny has freetype library with bytecode interpreter turned on, and it is pretty modern: 2.3.5 |
| 12:42.16 | DustyBin | gourmand: i shall find out what version im running on FC8 |
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| 12:42.55 | gourmand | DustyBin: and you can pull MS core fonts with msttcorefonts package from the repo |
| 12:43.24 | DustyBin | gourmand: yes ive done all that, but on the whole, the fonts are not rendered like how they should be |
| 12:44.11 | DustyBin | Version: 2.3.5 <-- FC8 freetype |
| 12:44.15 | DustyBin | how strange |
| 12:44.43 | DustyBin | so why the hell do all the fonts render so much more nicer than lenny |
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| 12:44.58 | gourmand | DustyBin: try different options like hinting etc |
| 12:45.13 | DustyBin | gourmand: ive tried all that within XFCE |
| 12:45.26 | DustyBin | maybe because im using FC8 + gnome, gnome speaks to freetype in another way |
| 12:45.39 | DustyBin | maybe lenny + gnome would be the same |
| 12:45.52 | carl | hi guys, as of late i have been getting a strange dbus error whenever i connect my usb stick to my debian/gnome system. "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file |
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| 12:46.33 | carl | rejected message had interface "ord.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "mount" error name "(unset" destionation "ord.freedesktop.Hal" |
| 12:46.45 | carl | is there any way i can fix this? |
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| 12:50.04 | DustyBin | anyone here tried a kde4 live cd ? |
| 12:50.37 | gourmand | DustyBin: i recall that Fedora ships with smth like liberation fonts, they are available in lenny too; also consider customizing gtk theme settings/default app fonts |
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| 12:52.09 | Ab3l_ | hi goodies like touchpad gestures could be implemented via software or i relies on toupad hw characteristics ? |
| 12:52.22 | DustyBin | gourmand: it doesnt matter what font i use, they are render a lot nicer |
| 12:52.31 | DustyBin | all |
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| 12:52.55 | JonkoPA | Where can I get a free shell account? |
| 12:53.10 | tralala | JonkoPA, not from here |
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| 12:53.32 | JonkoPA | It has to be debian, and I need also webspace |
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| 12:55.37 | \amethyst | JonkoPA: have you tried googling? |
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| 12:56.32 | carl | anybody have any clue about my hal/dbus issue? |
| 12:57.24 | Roobarb | I have the three DVD ISO images of 4.0r2 - I want to turn them into an FTP tree as for LAN installs. How do I do this? |
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| 12:58.06 | tralala | Roobarb, /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 12:58.22 | DustyBin | this is a good read |
| 12:58.24 | DustyBin | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts |
| 12:59.14 | Roobarb | tralala: I've read that but I'm not sure it quite answers my question; it doesn't suggest which parts of the tree I need to make available via FTP |
| 12:59.43 | gourmand | Roobarb: try reprepro |
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| 13:00.53 | XoX | does IPP client in windows support kerberos |
| 13:00.59 | XoX | oops wrong window |
| 13:01.42 | tralala | Roobarb, just copy everything and create the package list |
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| 13:09.56 | ukh | XoX: don't know, but depending on the driver, the Windows IPP client may hang your explorer.exe hard, at least using standard etch CUPS server |
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| 13:10.31 | XoX | w00t? |
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| 13:10.54 | XoX | there is a new driver cups released for windows no? |
| 13:11.07 | XoX | CUPS Driver for Windows 6.0 |
| 13:11.18 | infinity0 | is there a way to get xmms2 or rhythmbox to watch folders for new media? |
| 13:11.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, I have enabled the cpu frequency scaling on my laptop, but is there a way to make the CPUs work together? because I have a SMP processor, so my system sees 2 cpus |
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| 13:13.02 | smallGnome | gonzaloaf_laptop: do you have a dualcore or just hyperthreading or somesuch? |
| 13:13.11 | FunctorSalad | hi. suddenly all packages are marked untrusted, but I do have the two keys the bot suggests to me. |
| 13:13.41 | FunctorSalad | (I think...) |
| 13:14.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | smallGnome, HT |
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| 13:15.02 | smallGnome | gonzaloaf_laptop: then it shouldn't be a problem... |
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| 13:16.16 | smallGnome | gonzaloaf_laptop: given your cpu supports frequency scaling in the first place. i didn't think mobile cpu's came with hyper threading, but they might |
| 13:16.25 | eth01 | some do. |
| 13:16.29 | eth01 | whats the processor? |
| 13:16.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | smallGnome, I'm using the gnome cpu scaling applet, and when I change the frequency in cpu0, cpu1 keeps another frequency |
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| 13:17.32 | smallGnome | gonzaloaf_laptop: that's impossible if it's a singlecore. the readouts are probably wrong. run some benchmarks to see which one. it might not be scaling at all |
| 13:17.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | smallGnome, I mean that with the applet I can make each cpu run in different frequencies, thats what I dont want, I want them to work as one |
| 13:18.52 | smallGnome | gonzaloaf_laptop: if you want them to work as one, disable hyperthreading in your bios. or ignore the wrong readouts |
| 13:19.42 | FunctorSalad | nvm my problem, it was solved by a simple apt-get update for some reason. |
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| 13:20.12 | FunctorSalad | I suppose something got stuck in the tubes or so ;) |
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| 13:21.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | smallGnome, http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2705/screenshotma4.png |
| 13:21.18 | tristian | Hi all - this may be something more for nvidia help, but can anyone think of a reason why I would have to reinstall the nvidia drivers (the latest from the nvidia website, not the debian packages) everytime I reboot? It's starting to drive me slightly crazy... |
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| 13:21.43 | sChaaa | hola |
| 13:22.30 | smallGnome | gonzaloaf_laptop: yes, i see the two readouts you mention, but if this is a singlecore cpu with hyperthreading, it can not run at two different frequencies at once, so one of the readouts are wrong |
| 13:22.47 | bragoon | tristian, me too |
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| 13:23.38 | FunctorSalad | if I do "apt-get build-dep something" and I don't like apts dependency resolution proposal, how can I change it? |
| 13:24.04 | smallGnome | gonzaloaf_laptop: as i told you, run some benchmarks to see if it is scaling at all. bogomips, perhaps? if it is, ignore and remove the second readout :) |
| 13:24.07 | tristian | bragoon I thought it might have something to do with the module in the rd... so I regenerated that but no such luck... another driver re-install :-( |
| 13:25.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | smallGnome, ok, another question, if I use powernowd daemon, I shouldt worry about changing the freq? what does exactly powernowd or another cpu freq daemon does? |
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| 13:26.01 | bragoon | tristian, so, I reload nvidia module in /etc/init.d/rc.local ( rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia) |
| 13:26.04 | o2T7 | !tell tristian about nvidia |
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| 13:30.17 | smhar | greetings |
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| 13:33.12 | smhar | I am trying to use virtualbox . I created a virtual box to run a LAMP server on debian but I got an error that 'vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason.' I installed virtualbox-ose-modules package for the running kernel and issued a 'modprobe vboxdrv' but got a module not found error |
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| 13:35.38 | piju_ | why doesnt swiftfox on debian updated ? |
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| 13:36.23 | smallGnome | piju_: your question does not make sense. be more specific |
| 13:36.43 | piju_ | smacnay; i mean, why swiftfox still 2.0.0.4 ? |
| 13:36.58 | piju_ | as u know, iceweasel already 2.0.0.12 |
| 13:37.11 | piju_ | ops |
| 13:37.11 | piju_ | 11 |
| 13:37.32 | stylus | I'm trying to use chfn to change my users full name entry. I get this: chfn: Permission denied. |
| 13:37.55 | stylus | now I don't have permission to change my own full name? |
| 13:38.15 | stylus | can this be fixed? :) |
| 13:38.22 | smallGnome | piju_: there's no *swiftfox* on pdo... |
| 13:38.35 | piju_ | no ? |
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| 13:38.59 | smallGnome | no. |
| 13:39.25 | piju_ | smallGnome; selena:~# apt-cache search swiftfox-prescott |
| 13:39.26 | piju_ | swiftfox-prescott - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 13:39.26 | piju_ | selena:~# apt-cache show swiftfox-prescott |
| 13:39.26 | piju_ | Package: swiftfox-prescott |
| 13:39.27 | piju_ | Status: install ok installed |
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| 13:39.50 | piju_ | sorri |
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| 13:40.01 | Bushmills | piju_: that's not a debian package |
| 13:40.11 | smallGnome | piju_: apt-cache policy swiftfox-prescott |
| 13:40.12 | piju_ | bush; then ? |
| 13:40.14 | Bushmills | piju_: why not ask the packager? |
| 13:40.53 | Bushmills | "Unable to locate package swiftfox" |
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| 13:41.48 | piju_ | selena:~# apt-cache policy swiftfox-prescott |
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| 13:41.49 | piju_ | swiftfox-prescott: |
| 13:41.49 | piju_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.10 | zinx | o_O |
| 13:42.16 | smallGnome | and that's all it says? |
| 13:42.44 | smallGnome | my apt cache shows me what repositories my packages come from |
| 13:43.18 | Bushmills | piju_: technically, the answer to your question is "because whoever made that package either hasn't updated it, or you haven't fetched the new package from wherever you got it from" |
| 13:43.29 | wols | piju_: apt-cache policy swiftfox |
| 13:43.49 | piju_ | Bushmills; i got from official repo |
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| 13:43.52 | smallGnome | wols: i told him to do that. either he doesn't get a complete answer or he's unable to paste it |
| 13:44.04 | wols | piju_: you didn't |
| 13:44.11 | wols | piju_: don't lie |
| 13:44.27 | Bushmills | piju_: there *is* no swiftfox in debian |
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| 13:44.41 | piju_ | sori |
| 13:44.41 | wols | especially not a package optimized for prescott. there is not a single such package in the debian repos. not one |
| 13:44.42 | piju_ | deb http://getswiftfox.com/builds/debian unstable non-free |
| 13:44.45 | piju_ | got from there |
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| 13:45.05 | wols | so now you know where to get it from. HAND |
| 13:45.08 | Grab | i want to use my shell as a proxy: what can i use/install ? |
| 13:45.10 | smallGnome | piju_: that's not an official debian repository. *AND* it's for unstable. ask the packagers |
| 13:45.22 | piju_ | smallGnome; i know |
| 13:45.32 | piju_ | sometimes, we use unstable for certain pkg |
| 13:45.33 | smallGnome | piju_: then what do you come here asking for, then? |
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| 13:45.55 | piju_ | just asking |
| 13:45.55 | wols | piju_: another stupidity. a grave one |
| 13:46.05 | piju_ | is it wrong for me to ask ? |
| 13:46.09 | exituz23 | hey |
| 13:46.17 | smallGnome | piju_: when you ask the wrong questions to the wrong people, then yes. |
| 13:46.19 | piju_ | is this community treat me ? when im asking ? |
| 13:46.31 | exituz23 | Does anybody here use the program "planner"? |
| 13:46.34 | piju_ | smallGnome; i already said sorry ok ? |
| 13:46.49 | piju_ | <piju_> sori |
| 13:46.51 | piju_ | <piju_> deb http://getswiftfox.com/builds/debian unstable non-free |
| 13:46.56 | piju_ | everybody made a mistake |
| 13:47.09 | smallGnome | piju_: just replying to your question. you asked if it was wrong to ask, and i answered. |
| 13:47.23 | nebM0ft | Is there any deb pkg available for vmware server? |
| 13:47.26 | piju_ | smallGnome; thanks for the answer |
| 13:47.34 | smallGnome | piju_: you're welcome |
| 13:47.34 | nebM0ft | Or can i install from the rpm? |
| 13:47.50 | o2T7 | stylus: sudo chfn -f $newname $username |
| 13:48.37 | smallGnome | nebM0ft: i wouldn't suggest using rpm's on debian. search apt-get.org for a repository or install from tar.gz |
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| 13:48.54 | nebM0ft | ah thanks. |
| 13:49.03 | wols | nebM0ft: there are debs |
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| 13:49.34 | nebM0ft | for IDEA as well? |
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| 13:50.07 | wols | !tell nebM0ft about search |
| 13:50.15 | wols | IDEA is an algorithm |
| 13:50.32 | smallGnome | nebM0ft: IDEA the java coding application? |
| 13:51.04 | nebM0ft | right |
| 13:51.06 | smallGnome | nebM0ft: if so, get the tar.gz for that. there's nothing to install. you can just extract to your ~/bin and run it |
| 13:51.31 | smallGnome | nebM0ft: installing a .deb would require root access. IDEA really doesn't. |
| 13:51.50 | nebM0ft | smallGnome: when i create a launcher from gnome it fails, only works from the shell |
| 13:51.51 | nebM0ft | I thought installing it would help :) |
| 13:52.01 | nebM0ft | nevermind. |
| 13:52.07 | smallGnome | nebM0ft: it wont. just correct your launcher :) |
| 13:52.28 | nebM0ft | well the command is the same exact as the one i use in shell |
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| 13:52.45 | nebM0ft | i think gnome might mess up the pathnames or some other system variables.. |
| 13:53.00 | smhar | I am trying to use virtualbox . I created a virtual box to run a LAMP server on debian but I got an error that 'vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason.' I installed virtualbox-ose-modules package for the running kernel and issued a 'modprobe vboxdrv' but got a module not found error |
| 13:53.02 | smallGnome | nebM0ft: what's the command you use in shell? it might be the $PATH variable. try using absolute paths |
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| 13:53.20 | nebM0ft | smallGnome: the path is absolute in the launcher |
| 13:53.32 | nebM0ft | it works in fluxbox menus :) |
| 13:53.44 | nebM0ft | F*in bloats |
| 13:53.49 | smallGnome | gnome sux |
| 13:53.50 | smallGnome | er. |
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| 13:55.55 | nebM0ft | ah its the jdk_home variable :) |
| 13:56.09 | nebM0ft | i only set it in ~/.bashrc and not /etc/profile... |
| 13:57.09 | ronr | hi, I try to get compiz to work on my debian stable box, I got a dual screen setup and the fglrx video driver and when I try compiz --replace it completely screws up my screen (shows a lot of garbage, black an white lines that vague look like the xterm it used to be) |
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| 13:58.27 | nebM0ft | Still not it.. |
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| 14:01.14 | smallGoblin | nebM0ft: try putting "env > /home/neb/foo" in a launcher :) |
| 14:01.17 | wols | ronr: does it work with only one screen? |
| 14:01.37 | ronr | wols: haven't tried that yet |
| 14:01.37 | smallGoblin | nebM0ft: or, put > /home/neb/foo behind your launcher as it is. look at the output |
| 14:01.39 | nebM0ft | smallGoblin: what does that do? |
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| 14:01.48 | ronr | wols: will try it later |
| 14:02.04 | smallGoblin | nebM0ft: redirects the output to the file specified. what you'd get in the console, basically |
| 14:02.28 | nebM0ft | env > does that? |
| 14:02.37 | smallGoblin | env prints environment variables |
| 14:02.42 | nebM0ft | oh |
| 14:02.45 | nebM0ft | ok smart :) |
| 14:02.56 | smallGoblin | nebM0ft: so if there's an error message, it'll end up there. like "launcher command long thing here > /home/neb/output 2>&1" |
| 14:03.07 | smallGoblin | then you'll probably catch whatever errors you get in that output file |
| 14:03.22 | zinx | ronr: make sure you have the latest release of fglrx, and try Xgl rather than AIGLX |
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| 14:03.30 | nebM0ft | smallGoblin: env > ~/file doesnt do anything at all |
| 14:03.32 | nebM0ft | :( |
| 14:03.40 | nebM0ft | i mean in a launcher |
| 14:03.53 | ronr | zinx: ok, I did see AIGLX in the logs |
| 14:04.31 | Farhadix | hi guys :D,i have a .asc file and a downloaded file, how check my file? |
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| 14:05.44 | Bushmills | Farhadix: less yourfile. |
| 14:05.44 | ronr | zinx: the AIGLX -> Xgl change, where do I configure that? |
| 14:05.54 | zinx | ronr: i don't know, but google might |
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| 14:06.18 | zinx | ronr: i would try upgrading fglrx to the latest release first, though |
| 14:06.21 | nebM0ft | smallGoblin: which WM do you use? |
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| 14:06.27 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 14:06.31 | wols | ronr: nowhere. either your dirvers can do it or they can't |
| 14:06.46 | gourmand | Farhadix: gpg --verify |
| 14:06.57 | SamuraiDio | what would be best: to have a mixed testing/unstable installation, or just unstable? |
| 14:07.01 | ronr | zinx: my drivers are pretty recent, but I'll check if there are any new ones |
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| 14:07.13 | zinx | SamuraiDio: just unstable, mixing is very bad |
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| 14:07.50 | Farhadix | gourmand, please full arguments :) |
| 14:08.01 | \amethyst | zinx: that's what my great-grandmother always told me, but I figured she was just a racist |
| 14:08.05 | wols | sometimes it'S poissible to mix testing/unstable but generally it's better not to mix ever |
| 14:08.07 | ronr | new ones were released 6 days ago... mine were not that recent |
| 14:08.11 | wols | backports only if need arises |
| 14:08.48 | SamuraiDio | zinx, but doesn't unstable has commonly broken packages? |
| 14:09.06 | zinx | SamuraiDio: testing does too, fwiw |
| 14:09.27 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: they will be even more broken if you have incompatible versions of other packages installed :) |
| 14:09.28 | wols | SamuraiDio: so does testing. less often but more complicated breakage if it does |
| 14:09.31 | zinx | SamuraiDio: stable has less problems than testing, which has less problems than unstable |
| 14:09.43 | zinx | SamuraiDio: but mixing packages will produce the worst combination of problems possible |
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| 14:10.14 | zinx | SamuraiDio: because you'll get problems from all the mixed releases PLUS problems introduced by mixing them, which can sometimes be severe enough to make your system unusable without repair. |
| 14:10.31 | SamuraiDio | zinx, i am using main testing packages, and some unstable (only when some package that i need is not avaiable,or buggy, on testing) |
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| 14:10.45 | zinx | SamuraiDio: you get to keep the pieces :) |
| 14:11.04 | SamuraiDio | better to update everything to unstable, then? |
| 14:11.21 | gourmand | Farhadix: gpg --verify YouFile.asc |
| 14:11.37 | Farhadix | gourmand, thanks |
| 14:11.52 | zinx | SamuraiDio: yeah, but be sure you know what you're doing when using either testing or unstable |
| 14:12.25 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: I would say that if you understand the packaging and dependency system well enough to run unstable, you know it well enough to mix testing and unstable (and vice versa). However, it will be more difficult to get help with a mixed-distribution system |
| 14:13.12 | \amethyst | you should definitely know how to inspect and compare dependencies and reverse dependencies, and how to manually deal with a package if it goes bad |
| 14:13.14 | SamuraiDio | ok, thanks |
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| 14:18.27 | Farhadix | i'm tired "gpg --import file.asc" but returns this "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found." why? |
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| 14:19.05 | felipe_ | hi |
| 14:19.10 | felipe_ | I have a little problem |
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| 14:19.21 | felipe_ | with permissions |
| 14:19.26 | felipe_ | I did something like |
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| 14:19.42 | felipe_ | chown -R mycaccount:myaccount /* |
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| 14:19.53 | felipe_ | and I have all my files in the computer with that permissions |
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| 14:20.53 | felipe_ | is there any way to restore the owners and permissions? |
| 14:20.57 | felipe_ | in all the files? |
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| 14:22.26 | ronr | wols zinx: unfortunately no change with the new fglxr drivers, I'll have to continue some other time, thx for the help anyway |
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| 14:23.49 | BrutusUnix | anyone know how to install flash plugin for amd64? |
| 14:24.06 | zinx | BrutusUnix: nspluginwrapper, which i think is no longer packaged |
| 14:24.31 | ktwilight[m] | BrutusUnix, debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:24.38 | BrutusUnix | ok thanks |
| 14:24.42 | abrotman | felipe_: your backup |
| 14:24.53 | ktwilight[m] | ronr, i've read that disabling Composite may help, as well as other options |
| 14:24.56 | \amethyst | nspluginwrapper is packaged in lenny, sid, and etch-backports |
| 14:25.05 | \amethyst | amd64-only, of course |
| 14:25.07 | abrotman | felipe_: you did that as root ? |
| 14:25.14 | ktwilight[m] | ronr, but not sure at all, maybe ask #ati |
| 14:25.26 | zinx | !info nspluginwrapper sid |
| 14:25.30 | ronr | ktwilight[m]: ok, thanks, will give it a try |
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| 14:26.13 | felipe_ | I did it like root |
| 14:26.20 | zinx | hmmm, i got no missing package reply yet |
| 14:26.20 | felipe_ | so I changed all the filesystem |
| 14:26.25 | abrotman | felipe_: you're kind of screwed |
| 14:26.26 | zinx | ah, there it is |
| 14:26.33 | zinx | [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Package 'nspluginwrapper' does not exist. |
| 14:26.38 | \amethyst | zinx: the bot only cares about i386 I think |
| 14:26.43 | zinx | oh, right, ok |
| 14:26.54 | felipe_ | is there anything I can do? |
| 14:27.00 | ronr | ktwilight[m]: disabling composite cause compiz to say it needs composite |
| 14:27.58 | zinx | aye it is packaged again |
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| 14:29.52 | kantor | why s that if I open a device (CD-ROM) with the O_DIRECT flag I can't read only just a few bytes, I must to read a whole page like 4096 bytes ? |
| 14:30.19 | \amethyst | hm, if ctrl-alt-{F#,kp+,kp-} stopped working all of a sudden, without X having been restarted, but other ctrl-alt-keypresses not handled by the X server work fine, what would I check? |
| 14:30.21 | azeem | kantor: please ask in an appropriate system programming channel |
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| 14:30.45 | wols | kantor: a cdrom is a BLOCK device |
| 14:31.08 | \amethyst | oh, just noticed my keyboard LEDs are non-working, too |
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| 14:31.16 | Grab | how do i see disk usage and quota of my shell? |
| 14:31.33 | wols | df, quota |
| 14:31.39 | ktwilight[m] | ronr, hm. not sure then :/ ATI is a PITA |
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| 14:32.07 | wols | ronr: ask Nyle when he's around |
| 14:32.13 | wols | he said he runs compiz on ati |
| 14:32.29 | zinx | \amethyst: only my numlock key works.... it was caused by an x.org update, which also broke a lot of other input things (really stupid mistakes, at that) |
| 14:32.46 | abrotman | wols: i believe the newer ATI drivers support AIGLX so you can use them with -fusion |
| 14:32.54 | zinx | \amethyst: the numlock LED and other problems were fixed, but not scroll lock/caps lock :P |
| 14:33.01 | kantor | wols, , os if I open a block device with the O_DIRECT flag to read and write directly yo device bypassing the kernel buffer I must to use whole blocks, not just a few bytes, no ? |
| 14:33.04 | wols | yes, but best ask nyle since he claims he uses it all |
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| 14:33.41 | wols | kantor: a CD has 2048 or 2336 bytes sectors. you always need to read full sectors |
| 14:34.02 | wols | the hardware can't do otherwise |
| 14:34.23 | kantor | ok |
| 14:34.24 | ktwilight[m] | though it still depends on the specific ATI card. some work some don't, unfortunately, even if yo're using the latest drivers |
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| 14:36.11 | russo | hi all |
| 14:36.21 | russo | how can i see the usage of my cores in cli |
| 14:36.26 | russo | i.e. with top |
| 14:36.29 | wols | ronr: top |
| 14:36.56 | russo | but what do i type in top |
| 14:37.02 | russo | how do i see the different cores |
| 14:37.03 | wols | man top |
| 14:37.04 | russo | and their usage |
| 14:37.21 | abrotman | russo: in etch ? |
| 14:37.33 | russo | abrotman: yup |
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| 14:37.51 | russo | i just want something that says core1: x% core2: y% |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | russo: in etch .. top shows aggregate .. 'atop' will show individually |
| 14:37.59 | abrotman | probably htop too |
| 14:38.21 | russo | what do you mean with aggreagte |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | summary of all CPUs/cores |
| 14:38.40 | abrotman | yes .. htop does also |
| 14:39.00 | russo | so do i type atop |
| 14:39.05 | russo | or is it an option |
| 14:39.06 | russo | or what |
| 14:39.12 | abrotman | you'd have to install it |
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| 14:41.06 | russo | Cpu(s): 87.0%us, 0.3%sy <- thats the 2 cores? |
| 14:41.18 | abrotman | which app is that? |
| 14:41.20 | russo | why isn't the sys one being used muche |
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| 14:41.21 | russo | top |
| 14:41.27 | abrotman | i just freaking told you |
| 14:41.35 | abrotman | russo: in etch .. top shows aggregate .. 'atop' will show individually |
| 14:41.47 | russo | oh right |
| 14:41.57 | muh2000 | is there a way to add more ipv6 addresses to a dev in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:42.27 | russo | but in reality top is showing the same information or no? |
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| 14:42.34 | russo | i mean i just wanted to see the percentages |
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| 14:48.01 | nebM0ft | which pkg installs all the man <c functions> pages? |
| 14:48.10 | nebM0ft | i already have build-essential |
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| 14:49.13 | wols | !tell nebM0ft about search |
| 14:50.35 | wols | another way to find out is the BIOS ID string it display on post on the bottom of the screen |
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| 14:50.44 | wols | oops |
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| 14:53.59 | Peanut | Hi all - could someone please tell me which package in Etch holds '/usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h" ? |
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| 14:54.16 | zamba | dpkg -S /usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h |
| 14:54.16 | dpkg | Package: /usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h: Status: install ok installed |
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| 14:54.50 | S4nD3r | How do check if my HD theres badblock? |
| 14:54.57 | zamba | S4nD3r: fsck |
| 14:54.59 | cusco | fsck |
| 14:55.16 | wols | no. smartmontools |
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| 14:56.37 | Peanut | zamba: does that work if you don't have the package installed yet? |
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| 14:58.46 | zamba | Peanut: you have to have the package installed, yeah |
| 14:59.10 | zamba | Peanut: if not, try googling for the file with some debian related keywords |
| 14:59.31 | avtobiff | or use badblock |
| 15:00.00 | nebM0ft | Is there any helper app that pastes stdin to some pasting site like rafb.net/paste? |
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| 15:01.19 | wols | pasting stdin will be very very hard |
| 15:01.56 | blueD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.06 | badcfe | wols: not if its a tty |
| 15:02.19 | avtobiff | why? just collect everything from stdin and then create a http-request and then send it. |
| 15:02.22 | badcfe | wols: hirhirhe |
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| 15:02.59 | \amethyst | blueD: the more packages you pull in from a different distribution, the more likely you are to get breakage (now or in the future when upgrading one of the dependencies) |
| 15:03.50 | blueD | \amethyst, ok |
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| 15:09.22 | Joelito | hi guys |
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| 15:11.18 | enouf | actually, i think google recently showed the uselessness of relying on S.M.A.R.T. analysis |
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| 15:11.27 | Joelito | I can't edit my xorg.conf, when I use vi, or nano or gedit the file is open as blank or new..any tips? |
| 15:11.39 | enouf | wrong file |
| 15:11.54 | enouf | !drxx |
| 15:11.54 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:12.00 | \amethyst | Joelito: what are you typing exactly? |
| 15:12.12 | \amethyst | Joelito: you are giving the whole path /etc/X11/xorg.conf, right? |
| 15:12.37 | tomd123 | Well I plugged in my speakers to my laptop (audio out jack) and they didn't work, they worked w/ every other os and they aren't broken (ipod is playing with them) anyways, how do I find out the driver for the audio out jack? |
| 15:12.52 | Joelito | \amethyst: Sure, from my account: sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf |
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| 15:12.59 | \amethyst | Joelito: capital X11 |
| 15:13.01 | enouf | tomd123: try alsamixer |
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| 15:13.15 | \amethyst | Joelito: (lowercase xorg.conf) |
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| 15:13.36 | enouf | tomd123: /msg dpkg alsa checklist <-in your irc client |
| 15:13.57 | enouf | man speaker-test tomd123 |
| 15:14.09 | Joelito | \amethyst: capital X :p |
| 15:14.32 | enouf | yep, wrong file ;-) |
| 15:14.45 | Joelito | ^^, thanks |
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| 15:16.38 | Joelito | brb |
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| 15:16.57 | russo | exit |
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| 15:17.00 | russo | oops :) |
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| 15:17.47 | stylus | What could cause /etc/motd to not display when I login via ssh now? |
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| 15:17.59 | stylus | It stopped after the dist-upgrade |
| 15:18.02 | blueD | how do I isntall a *.deb package from usb using only the terminal? |
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| 15:18.38 | anvesh | can anyone help me how to use QEMU |
| 15:19.02 | enouf | here we go, concerning SMART http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
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| 15:19.21 | nebM0ft | wols: archlinux has a package names nopaste: cat file.c|nopase ->pastes to rafb.net/paste |
| 15:19.23 | enouf | blueD: man dpkg |
| 15:19.25 | nebM0ft | :) |
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| 15:19.37 | nebM0ft | let me just grab that package its probably just a shell script |
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| 15:20.06 | enouf | nebM0ft: /msg dpkg pastebin pipe |
| 15:20.29 | blueD | enouf, thanks |
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| 15:20.37 | tomd123 | k, well my speakers work, the audio out doesn't, what could be the problem? |
| 15:20.46 | enouf | i have a customized one ;-) (paste2pastebin.pl) |
| 15:20.53 | enouf | aliased too |
| 15:21.02 | enouf | mine also shows the command i ran ;-) |
| 15:21.27 | nebM0ft | thanks |
| 15:21.29 | enouf | tomd123: alsamixer - muted buttons |
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| 15:21.45 | enouf | pcm, cdrom, etc |
| 15:22.05 | tomd123 | enouf, unmuted |
| 15:22.46 | enouf | tomd123: which app? any KDE involved? |
| 15:22.55 | tomd123 | rhythmbox |
| 15:23.01 | anvesh | guys can anyone help me out in using QEMU |
| 15:23.02 | knyttr | I have problems removing package libghc6-xmonad-doc and libghc6-xmonad-contrib-doc. apt-get -f install is not able to fix the problem either. I can't install anything as it keeps saying the same problem with those packages. Can't paste the exact output as it is in Czech and noone would understand :-) |
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| 15:23.31 | tomd123 | enouf, I'm playing it on my laptops speakers with rhythmbox as we speak, it's just that when I plug in the jack to the audio out, it doesn't work |
| 15:23.33 | enouf | in rythymbox prefs/config - tell it to use "default" as output card, not hw0:0 |
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| 15:24.19 | enouf | is another module responsible for external out, as opposed to internal spkrs? |
| 15:24.31 | kubitz | Can I be stupid and ask you a why does it work question? What I mean is Debian is able to shutdown this old computer properly but I've tried almost every other major distros and they can't do it - not even Ubuntu. What is Debian doing right - I want to understand this - Where do I read about this kind of thing? |
| 15:24.42 | kubitz | Can I be stupid and ask you a why does it work question? What I mean is Debian is able to shutdown this old computer properly but I've tried almost every other major distros and they can't do it - not even Ubuntu. What is Debian doing right - I want to understand this - Where do I read about this kind of thing? |
| 15:24.50 | tomd123 | It looks like it cause it doesn't work, enouf |
| 15:24.58 | kubitz | Sorry about dittography |
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| 15:25.23 | enouf | go KMenu - > K Control Center > sound > find the drop down menu , select ALSA |
| 15:25.35 | tomd123 | I have gnome, |
| 15:25.41 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:25.56 | iateadonut | i think it's called a dittogram |
| 15:26.06 | tomd123 | i tried alsamixer and some galsamixer, both displayed the same, everything maxed out and unmuted |
| 15:26.08 | abrotman | kubitz: it's likely the apm or acpi stuff |
| 15:26.09 | kubitz | iateadonut I think your right there |
| 15:26.12 | enouf | tomd123: is snd_mixer_oss loaded? lsmod |
| 15:26.40 | iateadonut | good luck with that though. that is pretty interesting. |
| 15:26.49 | enouf | tomd123: you realize the screen scrolls far right , right? |
| 15:26.52 | tomd123 | enouf, yes |
| 15:26.52 | kubitz | abrotman so is Debian just configured better - what doe sit mean in practical terms? |
| 15:27.05 | abrotman | kubitz: maybe not "better" .. differently |
| 15:27.09 | kubitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.23 | iateadonut | what does MTA mean during bootup? |
| 15:27.43 | enouf | tomd123: i'm going to have to guess some missing dmix alsa stuff .. not sure, it works, but it don't |
| 15:27.56 | o2T7 | iatedonut: mail transfer agent |
| 15:28.23 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 15:28.32 | o2T7 | s/transfer/transport/ |
| 15:28.46 | tomd123 | how do I do the dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:28.53 | tomd123 | it says dpkg-reconfigure not found |
| 15:29.01 | enouf | kubitz: does you debian boot params include acpi=force like mine? |
| 15:29.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.37 | kubitz | enouf yes but then so did Ubuntu hen I had it on here and it couldn't shutdown |
| 15:29.44 | enouf | tomd123: er, as root |
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| 15:29.56 | kubitz | Although apparently it is aknown issue with Ubuntu and they're working to fix it i read |
| 15:30.11 | kubitz | But that means the other distros don't see it as an issue right? |
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| 15:30.29 | abrotman | might want acpi=off |
| 15:30.52 | enouf | kubitz: must be the cleanup of the shutdown process and/or the scripts in /etc/rc6.d/ and rc0.d/ .. and or any /etc/apm stuff |
| 15:31.16 | tomd123 | enouf, should i pick default in the reconf? |
| 15:31.35 | enouf | well, there's a date one can set in compile options about for when ACPI should be considered too old |
| 15:31.37 | kubitz | enouf right I'll look at those |
| 15:31.45 | enouf | tomd123: yes, default |
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| 15:32.30 | tomd123 | enouf, nope |
| 15:32.37 | blazer11 | im having trouble installing debian etch 3ware netinstall it hangs at retrieving files at 132 of 132 |
| 15:32.43 | enouf | kill esd? |
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| 15:33.06 | enouf | please tell me that's not ubuntu tomd123 |
| 15:33.11 | enouf | it'll never work |
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| 15:33.48 | tomd123 | enouf, it actually worked on ubuntu ;P, guess again, (hint: the channel) |
| 15:34.05 | enouf | ahh crap; make: *** [debian/stamp-build-kernel] Error 2 |
| 15:34.21 | wols | enouf: what debian branch? |
| 15:34.25 | enouf | tomd123: well, we have alsaconf ;-) |
| 15:34.26 | kubitz | enouf those scripts are different in Ubuntu I just looked but it's going to take me more time than I have today to learn thanks for the pointers though |
| 15:34.28 | enouf | they don't |
| 15:34.43 | enouf | sure, np |
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| 15:35.07 | enouf | kubitz: i mean to get a real close up view, hoook up a serial console and strace the shutdown scripts O.o |
| 15:35.14 | enouf | and process |
| 15:35.15 | felix_da_catz | Is it possible to set a package to never update through apt-get? |
| 15:35.22 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 15:35.23 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 15:35.28 | felix_da_catz | thx |
| 15:35.31 | ignu | I was just now asking dpkg about aptitude (as opposed to apt-get)... I was sold on aptitude until I got to the line in 'why not aptitude' saying that it has many bugs... the phrase 'many bugs' scares me :-) |
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| 15:35.46 | anvesh | guys i have asked ques two times |
| 15:35.47 | tomd123 | hold on let me reboot |
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| 15:35.50 | anvesh | how to use qemu |
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| 15:36.12 | kubitz | My trouble is i considered myself - perhaps arrogantly - a knowledgeable windows user and now i want to be a knowledgeable linux user :) |
| 15:36.14 | kubitz | Seeya |
| 15:36.15 | enouf | anvesh: tried wiki.debian.org ? |
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| 15:36.28 | blazer11 | wols can you help me :) |
| 15:36.33 | XoX | anyone know of a cups irc channel |
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| 15:36.37 | XoX | cups seems empty |
| 15:36.43 | wols | !help |
| 15:37.16 | \amethyst | ignu: did you look at the title of that bug? "Different package status results from command line vs. interactive use" |
| 15:37.29 | blazer11 | wols im having trouble installing debian etch 3ware netinstall it hangs at retrieving files at 132 of 132 |
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| 15:37.44 | \amethyst | ignu: of course that isn't going to be an issue with, say, apt-get, because apt-get doesn't *have* an interactive mode |
| 15:37.49 | wols | retrieving which files? basi install or what? |
| 15:38.02 | wols | ie. has tasksel already be shown and is it installing tasksel stuff? |
| 15:38.03 | blazer11 | curious is there a limit on partition size swap size? |
| 15:38.27 | blazer11 | wols ya just base system plus web server files |
| 15:38.29 | wols | blazer11: probably normal partition size with MBRs. 4TB or so. possibly depending on CPU too |
| 15:38.42 | wols | blazer11: answer my question |
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| 15:39.22 | blazer11 | wols its 2TB, swap is set to 2.7gb |
| 15:39.24 | \amethyst | ignu: anyway, you can look up bugs in aptitude and in apt at bugs.debian.org |
| 15:39.37 | ignu | \amethyst: my name (ignu) stands for ignorant newbie. I didn't understand much of what you said, but it gives me some food for thought as well as something to try and understand. (by the way, amethist is probably my wife's favorite gemstone) |
| 15:39.40 | blazer11 | wols i thought i did? base system plus web services |
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| 15:40.14 | tomd123 | ya, the audio out jack still isn't working, grrr |
| 15:40.23 | wols | no you did not |
| 15:40.27 | ignu | \amethyst: so, thanks much for the reply :-) ... I'll research it some more |
| 15:40.35 | wols | 16:38 < wols> ie. has tasksel already be shown and is it installing tasksel stuff? |
| 15:40.42 | aeshyamae | hi i am using PKG_CHECK_MODULES to check for a program..though its installed through synaptic,autoconf is not getting that..but when i manually install the dependency with configure prefix /usr, my program is detecting it...what could be the problem? |
| 15:40.59 | \amethyst | ignu: the bug there is that if you do something in the graphical interface the result might be different from doing it on the command line |
| 15:41.18 | \amethyst | ignu: the one mentioned in 'why not aptitude' |
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| 15:41.50 | ignu | \amethist: oooohhhh, so as long as i run aptitude from terminal, I'm okay?... |
| 15:42.17 | \amethyst | ignu: even if you run the full-screen interface, you'll be okay |
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| 15:42.21 | blazer11 | wols ooops sorry i missed that, i belive so, it install base system just fine then on last stage it hangs |
| 15:42.41 | \amethyst | ignu: it's just that aptitude might choose to resolve conflicting packages differently |
| 15:42.42 | ignu | \amethyst: cool, I think I'll start using aptitude instead of apt-get ... thx much |
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| 15:43.13 | smallGoblin | there is some tool to restore default permissions, at least for the most important stuff |
| 15:43.23 | smallGoblin | or. wrong channel |
| 15:43.31 | blazer11 | wols i used this install on identical server minus harddrive config, and it worked fine that was about a week ago |
| 15:44.01 | blazer11 | i wonder if some security update has hosed the custom netinstall |
| 15:44.55 | wols | blazer11: talk back to me when you can actually answer my question not before. good day |
| 15:44.56 | \amethyst | smallGoblin: except for the conffiles, you could reinstall the packages they belong to |
| 15:45.04 | aeshyamae | how can i know where PKG_CHECK_MODULES is searching for files |
| 15:45.22 | smallGoblin | \amethyst: i was answering a question in another channel :) |
| 15:45.31 | blazer11 | its 3wares install image including the 9650se drivers |
| 15:45.49 | \amethyst | smallGoblin: oh, I thought you were asking if this was the wrong channel. My bad |
| 15:45.50 | wols | blazer11: then you are in the wrong channel. ask 3ware |
| 15:45.53 | blazer11 | wols, im not sure how to check :( |
| 15:46.06 | wols | blazer11: doesn't matter. it's no debian |
| 15:46.14 | wols | ask 3ware for support |
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| 15:47.06 | blazer11 | really so if someone repackages debian install with drivers its no longer debian? hmmm |
| 15:47.16 | helo | i'm looking for a system that will edit my dhcpd.conf file to enable/disable pxe imaging on a per-mac basis... |
| 15:47.36 | wols | it's their software, their problem |
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| 15:50.10 | blazer11 | its still open to the community avail for all, i dont see your point, it should be appreciated that they took the time to include drivers, but anyway thanks, i will research tasksel |
| 15:50.54 | wols | is their driver free software? |
| 15:51.18 | wols | if it is: why aren't they distributing it in the main kernel? driver that shitty? |
| 15:51.25 | wols | and if it's not: why are they violating the gpl? |
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| 15:51.44 | helo | when a machine gets its dhcp address, is there a way to run a script that has access to the requesting mac address and ip given? |
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| 15:52.12 | smallGoblin | helo: you could just tail the logs, i guess, and react to that |
| 15:52.20 | Reemo | Hi I'm running Debian lenny with 2.6.16-2-486 kernel. I tried to set up a callofduty 4 dedicated. Running pbsetup.run (for setting up punkbuster) or cod4_lnxded always returns a "Bus error" |
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| 15:52.23 | smallGoblin | helo: if possible, make your dhcpd log to a special file |
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| 15:52.40 | abrotman | Reemo: lenny has a 2.6.22 kernel in it |
| 15:52.52 | blazer11 | the source is avail, good point on the later |
| 15:53.02 | smallGoblin | Reemo: search the forums for cod4. and update your kernel. |
| 15:53.45 | Reemo | so this is probably the kernel? |
| 15:53.57 | Reemo | I already thought about a hardware 'bus' being damaged -.- |
| 15:54.15 | smallGoblin | Reemo: probably not, but it might help. try their forums |
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| 15:54.52 | grulll | is there a way to monitor the cpu temperature from the bash |
| 15:54.58 | Reemo | lm-sensors |
| 15:55.04 | Reemo | or mbmon |
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| 15:57.20 | stylus | how can I use fortune to randomize the motd for when users login? |
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| 15:57.57 | smallGoblin | stylus: put it in their login script? |
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| 15:59.01 | stylus | smallGoblin: will I need to do that manually for everyone? or can I set it up so that when a new user is added, the code is added to their login script automatically. |
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| 16:00.43 | amphi | grulll: or acpi -t |
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| 16:04.39 | Grab | how can i use my remote shell as a web proxy ? |
| 16:04.48 | smallGoblin | stylus: /etc/skel/ |
| 16:04.58 | smallGoblin | stylus: that's what ends up in a new users home directory |
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| 16:05.24 | smallGoblin | stylus: it's normal to put, for instance, a public_html directory in there. or modify the scripts |
| 16:05.54 | smallGoblin | Grab: ssh + dynamic port forwarding. google. |
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| 16:06.52 | stylus | smallGoblin: thanks a ton :) |
| 16:07.00 | smallGoblin | stylus: no problem :) |
| 16:07.57 | GuilhermeBrant | Hey,ESounD is conflicting somehow here in my pc.I have to killall it everytime so I can watch videos and flash animations with sound.How to fix it? |
| 16:08.16 | Reemo | So, updated to 2.6.22-3-486, Problem remains |
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| 16:09.08 | smallGoblin | Reemo: check dod forums. you are probably not the first guy with those problems, but you may very well be the only guy active in #debian at this time who's had them. |
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| 16:09.20 | Reemo | damn |
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| 16:09.33 | smallGoblin | Reemo: s/dod/whatevergameitwas/g |
| 16:09.41 | Reemo | jo |
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| 16:10.50 | Miesco | Whats a good video encoder/decoder, there is ffmpeg, transcode, and mencoder, what one do you recommend for converting files to mpeg2 for DVD |
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| 16:20.15 | gordonjcp | Miesco: mencoder |
| 16:21.01 | rdz | hi all. how can i see which groups i am part of? |
| 16:21.20 | Grab | how can i know what port ssh is listening to ? |
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| 16:21.35 | rdz | Grab, usually it is port 22 |
| 16:22.10 | jetscreamer | id iirc rdz |
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| 16:22.22 | jim_p | hi |
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| 16:24.34 | abrotman | rdz: groups |
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| 16:24.57 | jim_p | i have just installed the fglrx drivers for my ati, rebooted, and conky does not show up any more when i login! moreover glxgears works but fgl_glxgears doesn't ( i don't really care about that) |
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| 16:26.10 | jim_p | any help will be apreciated and any further specification will be given |
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| 16:28.31 | tckb | hello pp; |
| 16:28.37 | tckb | is any body der |
| 16:28.42 | jim_p | i am! |
| 16:28.59 | kunsi | tckb: please dont ask meta questions |
| 16:29.02 | Supaplex | I'm not 'der'. |
| 16:29.09 | tckb | i have a serious prob in booting into ubuntu |
| 16:29.16 | Supaplex | tckb: topic |
| 16:29.28 | tckb | sorry am new to irc sorry for that |
| 16:29.29 | Supaplex | !tell tckb -about ubuntu |
| 16:29.48 | Supaplex | tckb: common pitfall. how did you end up here instead? |
| 16:29.50 | kunsi | !mell me about ubuntu |
| 16:29.53 | kunsi | !tell me about ubuntu |
| 16:29.54 | tckb | i dont get any splash screen while booting |
| 16:30.08 | Bushmills | tckb: we can help you. but I suppose most people here will suggest to install debian, so you actually can be helped |
| 16:30.10 | rdz | abrotman, thanks a lot |
| 16:30.13 | Supaplex | tckb: sorry, ubuntu is off topic here. |
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| 16:30.47 | tckb | yess i agree but ubuntu is a distro based on debian |
| 16:30.51 | Bushmills | tckb: and most people here know very little about ubuntu |
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| 16:31.03 | jetscreamer | jim_p: fglrxinfo|grep vendor , i think |
| 16:31.07 | jim_p | tckb: may i propose something? |
| 16:31.17 | tckb | every thing that work with debian will work with ubuntu |
| 16:31.27 | buscon | Hi, how can I upload a directory with sftp client ? |
| 16:31.28 | tckb | as far as i know |
| 16:31.52 | tckb | <jim_p>: you are welcome |
| 16:31.54 | jim_p | jetscreamer: it outputs "OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc." |
| 16:31.54 | jetscreamer | tckb: but you don't know all or you'd fix it yourself |
| 16:32.09 | jetscreamer | jim_p: no glx? |
| 16:32.14 | Bushmills | tckb: that's not our experience |
| 16:32.16 | tckb | i tried to fix it myself but i failed |
| 16:32.23 | jetscreamer | jim_p: how about glxinfo|grep vendor |
| 16:32.37 | jim_p | jetscreamer: you mean inside xorg.conf? |
| 16:32.53 | jim_p | i dont use compiz or something |
| 16:32.55 | tckb | no not in Xorg.conf |
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| 16:33.04 | tckb | in menu.lst |
| 16:33.30 | Miesco | gordonjcp: Okay, and what about mpeg2enc, should I just use that or would it be better to use mencoder |
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| 16:33.50 | jetscreamer | jim_p: no in xterm |
| 16:34.09 | jetscreamer | just like fglrxinfo |
| 16:34.19 | jim_p | tckb: inside menu.list there are several options next to your kernel, Is there a "splash" and a "quiet" option? |
| 16:34.21 | gordonjcp | Miesco: I've only ever used mencoder for it |
| 16:34.35 | jetscreamer | oh. jim_p i meant no glx in the return of flgrxinfo |
| 16:34.38 | gordonjcp | Miesco: that's not to say that mpeg2enc isn't any good, I just haven't used it ;-) |
| 16:34.41 | jetscreamer | return/output |
| 16:34.43 | tckb | its says splash |
| 16:34.54 | tckb | but i dont get the splash screen |
| 16:35.07 | tckb | just a blank screen at boot up |
| 16:35.16 | jim_p | jetscreamer: no just that one line |
| 16:35.18 | Miesco | gordonjcp: Okay, does transcode just use other encoders to encode? |
| 16:35.30 | jetscreamer | jim_p: how about glxinfo|grep vendor in an xterm |
| 16:35.33 | tckb | of course not... |
| 16:35.55 | tckb | at the end of the line |
| 16:36.12 | jim_p | tckb: there has to be splash AND quiet |
| 16:36.21 | Supaplex | tckb: /join #ubuntu they may be related, but they're not similar enough to support it here. |
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| 16:36.33 | tckb | ohh.. is it |
| 16:36.47 | jim_p | jetscreamer: am i wrong that i issue these commands inside gnome-terminal? |
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| 16:37.00 | jetscreamer | no you are correct jim_p |
| 16:37.03 | tckb | its not matter of the specific distro isnt it |
| 16:37.17 | jetscreamer | xterm/gnometerm, whichever |
| 16:37.34 | Supaplex | why should we be responsible for distros that deviate from us? that's an insane amount of work to keep track of all our child distros, ANNNNDDDD all the stuff they change. we have plenty of work to do with our own :) |
| 16:37.45 | tckb | generally for ubuntu or debian the working of menu.list |
| 16:37.46 | jetscreamer | tckb: why don't you ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:37.49 | jim_p | tckb: yes , in fact it must say "ro quiet splash" in the end |
| 16:38.12 | tckb | yess ur right jim_p |
| 16:38.17 | jim_p | jetscreamer: i only get that one line! |
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| 16:39.15 | jim_p | jetscreamer: is there something else i should see? |
| 16:39.16 | jetscreamer | jim_p: afaict your fglrx has been hosed. you should at least get one omore line, saying glx vendor ati... probably 2 more, server glx and client glx, both provided by ati |
| 16:39.27 | jim_p | :( |
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| 16:39.32 | jetscreamer | jim_p: reinstall is what i usually do.. i have nvidia though |
| 16:39.41 | jetscreamer | reinstall fglrx i mean |
| 16:39.41 | jim_p | i installed it 10 minutes ago! |
| 16:39.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:40.08 | jim_p | jetscreamer: fisrt time with linux and ati |
| 16:40.20 | jetscreamer | ok then you need to tell the ati installer where the xlibraries are and such... i don't know the ati installer so i can't help you. |
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| 16:40.33 | jim_p | ok thank you |
| 16:40.38 | jim_p | i will google it |
| 16:40.38 | jetscreamer | jim_p: what vid card is it |
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| 16:40.54 | jim_p | jetscreamer: its an ati 3850HD |
| 16:41.09 | jetscreamer | jim_p: i can show you what to supply for the switches that tell the ati installer where those are, i don't know the ati switches |
| 16:41.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:41.18 | jim_p | its not even in the supported list at amd's site! |
| 16:41.24 | jetscreamer | ugh |
| 16:41.30 | jim_p | ok |
| 16:41.41 | jim_p | let me google it a sec |
| 16:42.06 | dkr | heh, we should tell the newbuntus that following the reasoning that it is ok to ask ubuntu questions in #debian, that they should actually be asking questions in ##linux since debian is based on linux :) |
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| 16:42.33 | tckb | haha :0 |
| 16:42.36 | tckb | :) |
| 16:42.47 | jetscreamer | !dkr++ |
| 16:42.52 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 16:43.03 | jim_p | jetscreamer: these xlibraries are located (or their paths) somewhere inside my xorg.conf? |
| 16:43.08 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:43.18 | jetscreamer | --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 16:43.18 | jetscreamer | all 3 rolled into one long command, to cut&paste if you wish: |
| 16:43.19 | jim_p | tckb: ???? |
| 16:43.21 | jetscreamer | copyoops |
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| 16:43.23 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 16:43.26 | jetscreamer | ignore that |
| 16:43.32 | jim_p | ok |
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| 16:44.07 | jetscreamer | --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 16:44.24 | jetscreamer | you would want the equiv ati installer switches |
| 16:44.29 | jim_p | jetscreamer: the xlbraries are the dbe, glx, record, etc? |
| 16:44.40 | tckb | yess jim_p |
| 16:44.43 | tckb | amhere |
| 16:44.47 | jetscreamer | jim_p: no, those are modules iirc |
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| 16:45.25 | jim_p | oh well! |
| 16:45.32 | jetscreamer | jim_p: so you would want to figure out the equiv of --x-module-path and --x-library-path, in the fglrx installer |
| 16:45.45 | jetscreamer | and suppy the stuff after the = to it |
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| 16:45.50 | jim_p | ok i will find it |
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| 16:47.00 | tckb | am restarting my box.. will be back in few min |
| 16:47.17 | jetscreamer | don't threaten us |
| 16:47.22 | jim_p | lmao! |
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| 16:47.35 | tckb | hey chill.... am not threating anybody |
| 16:47.39 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 16:47.51 | jetscreamer | !poke tckb |
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| 16:48.25 | tckb | what is !poke??? |
| 16:48.31 | beardy | tckb: Why restart? |
| 16:48.56 | beardy | tckb: As you noticed, you got poked. |
| 16:48.56 | dkr | must be an ex-windows user |
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| 16:49.05 | jim_p | jetscreamer: one thing that may be handy to you perhaps... I installed the fglrx-driver and fglrx-source packages and then i used module-assistant to do something ( compile something perhaps) |
| 16:49.08 | Supaplex | beardy: grub, splashy |
| 16:49.11 | dkr | they think they have to restart/reboot for everything :) |
| 16:49.12 | beardy | Oh. |
| 16:49.15 | Supaplex | something like that. |
| 16:49.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:49.27 | tckb | sorry couldnt understand |
| 16:49.28 | Linuturk | current stable is etch, right? |
| 16:49.31 | jetscreamer | that's different |
| 16:49.34 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 16:49.34 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:49.35 | dkr | yes |
| 16:49.39 | jetscreamer | yes linkslice |
| 16:49.44 | jetscreamer | errlinuturk |
| 16:49.49 | jim_p | he may want to restart in order to see if the bootimage is restored |
| 16:50.01 | jetscreamer | jim_p: yeah that's different... not sure how different |
| 16:50.03 | tckb | surely right |
| 16:50.12 | tckb | so will b back |
| 16:50.14 | beardy | tckb: You can check several splashscreenimages when you reboot. I don't remember how exactly, dont use it, but check grub's manpage. |
| 16:50.27 | tckb | okie |
| 16:50.30 | jetscreamer | tckb: try bga=normal |
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| 16:50.33 | jetscreamer | err vga |
| 16:50.58 | dkr | !release names |
| 16:50.58 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 16:51.41 | jetscreamer | heh he's running windows |
| 16:51.47 | jetscreamer | me to |
| 16:51.49 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:51.57 | jim_p | jetscreamer: well... i dont mind having to run conky through the terminal each time... but it is a bit annoying since i have the time displayed there and i NEED to know the time! |
| 16:52.07 | jim_p | lol |
| 16:52.18 | jim_p | i am no better, i dual boot |
| 16:52.32 | jetscreamer | i keep meaning to put my ati card in and learn the secrets of fglrx, but... i'm lazy i guess |
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| 16:53.20 | jim_p | jetscreamer: i leave it as it is and i add the time to the gnome-panel then |
| 16:53.37 | Miesco | How do you find out information on the codecs in a video file? |
| 16:53.51 | jim_p | and time will bring me the answers |
| 16:54.06 | Miesco | Like what audio codec its using |
| 16:54.26 | amphi | Miesco: file(1 |
| 16:54.28 | dkr | Miesco: right-click menu in nautilus has a media properties tab. or you could mplayer -v file to get lots of details |
| 16:54.29 | jetscreamer | mplayer will tell you when you play it Miesco , in an xterm |
| 16:54.35 | jim_p | Miesco: if you start the playback of a file through the terminal using mplayer, it will show all sorts of info |
| 16:54.38 | jetscreamer | file will tell you the codec? cool |
| 16:54.39 | amphi | Miesco: file(1) should tell you |
| 16:54.45 | Miesco | Thanks |
| 16:54.51 | dkr | file will tell you the container format,not the codec |
| 16:55.08 | jetscreamer | what is file(1) then |
| 16:55.21 | dkr | mu |
| 16:55.28 | jetscreamer | the file inside the file? |
| 16:55.33 | jim_p | lol |
| 16:55.38 | amphi | dkr: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 336, 25.00 fps, video: XviD, audio: Dolby AC3 (6 channels, 48000 Hz) |
| 16:55.51 | jetscreamer | i'm assuming amphi knows what she's talking about |
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| 16:55.58 | jetscreamer | she, right? |
| 16:56.10 | amphi | dkr: xvid and ac3 are not the codeces? |
| 16:56.11 | jim_p | Miesco: mplayer example.avi and it will show loads of stuff |
| 16:56.12 | dkr | funky, I didn't know libmagic delved that deeply |
| 16:56.19 | dkr | amphi: yeah, stand corrected |
| 16:56.21 | dkr | I |
| 16:57.10 | Insolit | guys do you know how i can send with one command an email? i know the "mail" command, but don't know how to use it "automatically" |
| 16:57.42 | dkr | Insolit: echo body |mail -s subject recipenet@foo.com |
| 16:57.58 | jim_p | :O |
| 16:58.01 | dcsimon | anyone know anything about ata throwing errors and locking up? |
| 16:58.03 | Insolit | thanks dkr :) |
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| 16:58.41 | Supaplex | dcsimon: ata as in telephony adapter? |
| 16:58.42 | ronr | dcsimon: yeah, had that too, replacing the hd worked (if you're lucky you're just using a wrong kernel / driver) |
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| 16:59.04 | jetscreamer | dcsimon: lenny? |
| 16:59.11 | dcsimon | Supaplex: ata as in sata/pata |
| 16:59.20 | jetscreamer | i suspected the new libata stuff of hosing my old drives |
| 16:59.30 | jetscreamer | it 'seems' to have been fixed in sid |
| 16:59.34 | dcsimon | jetscreamer: yes, lenny |
| 16:59.51 | jetscreamer | well... |
| 16:59.55 | dcsimon | jetscreamer: i'm running a custom 2.6.24 kernel |
| 16:59.59 | jim_p | one more question |
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| 17:00.46 | dcsimon | ronr: the drive has been working perfectly, it's new |
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| 17:01.29 | dcsimon | jetscreamer: do you know what fixed it in sid? |
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| 17:02.09 | jetscreamer | dcsimon: no idea at all. i still get the damn thing telling me it can't spin down my dvd .. it thinks it's a hard drive afaict |
| 17:02.10 | drwahl | wouldnt the drive be giving CRC errors if it were the drive? i would have to assume that is must be libata if you have no CRC errors in dmesg |
| 17:02.16 | jetscreamer | during shutdown |
| 17:02.21 | manju | I am installing debian using USB |
| 17:02.32 | manju | i followed t inst given in http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html |
| 17:02.49 | jetscreamer | drwahl: i got smart errors that i almost knew for certain were false |
| 17:03.06 | dcsimon | drwahl: what do I need to do to fix libdata? |
| 17:03.20 | jim_p | when i shutdown or reboot i get the well-known red msg of "Please wait... System is rebooting" or something. Since my debian is in greek, some characters like the T's, A's, E's etc that are common appear normally, while the different ones appear as squares . why?? |
| 17:03.32 | jetscreamer | fonts |
| 17:03.35 | jetscreamer | you need fonts |
| 17:03.50 | manju | my installation got stuck up in the step "Load installer components from an installer ISO" |
| 17:03.52 | jetscreamer | language specific fonts |
| 17:04.01 | manju | can any1 help me??? |
| 17:04.05 | drwahl | dcsimon: i have no idea how you check, i just thought it might help troubleshoot... |
| 17:04.21 | drwahl | manju: hit Alt+F4 during the installer to bring up the debug |
| 17:04.26 | jetscreamer | restart it manju .. if it keeps doing it, burn a new cd... got windows? use http://goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 17:04.48 | jim_p | jetscreamer: ok thanks |
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| 17:07.24 | linkslice | i need to upgrade my kernel how do i do that? google keeps giving me instructions on installing kernel source |
| 17:07.26 | manju | ok ..I ll chk it out!!! |
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| 17:07.45 | jim_p | I just noticed that glxgears gives my 2 processors a lot of work! When one cpu is on low usage, the other one is at 95+%. This thing is reversed every second. Shall I be concerned? Its a core2duo |
| 17:08.20 | drwahl | linkslice: what release are you using? etch? |
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| 17:08.40 | linkslice | drwahl, some etch some sarg |
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| 17:09.02 | dcsimon | drwahl: did you mean libata or libdata? |
| 17:09.03 | manju | actually v r conducting a workshop where v ll b porting win to debian but those sys doesnt hav cdrom |
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| 17:09.36 | jetscreamer | jim_p: it's doing software 3d |
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| 17:09.38 | manju | so v got stuck to installing debian from usb |
| 17:09.40 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 17:09.49 | drwahl | linkslice: the easiest way to update the kernel (that i can think of) would be to change your sources.list to lenny instead of etch/sarge and: sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 17:10.01 | dkr | I found funky gaim/jabber behaviour. whenever I make a typo and send this character it disconnects me from jabber. I'm not even sure what character it is, actually, can't paste it to console. |
| 17:10.13 | jetscreamer | drwahl: that won't do a kernel unless he has one of those metapackages |
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| 17:10.19 | drwahl | dcsimon: i'm not sure. i was kinda following jetscreamer's lead on that one. he mentioned something about a libata library |
| 17:10.38 | dcsimon | drwahl: gotcha |
| 17:10.40 | drwahl | jetscreamer: ah, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then? |
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| 17:10.51 | jim_p | jetscreamer: thanks. I googled it a bit and some say its normal! |
| 17:11.04 | jim_p | its not choppy though |
| 17:11.11 | craigevil | probably cant just upgrade the kernel from sarge/etch to lenny, things like libc6 will most likely need upgraded as well |
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| 17:11.46 | Bushmills | dkr, looks likes ctrl-C |
| 17:12.08 | jetscreamer | you have to explicitly install a new kernel unless you have one of those kernel metapackages installed |
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| 17:12.50 | jim_p | jetscreamer: glxinfo | grep vendor = server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 17:12.50 | jim_p | client glx vendor string: SGI |
| 17:12.50 | jim_p | OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. |
| 17:12.55 | jim_p | sorry! |
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| 17:13.09 | Bushmills | dkr: but could also be ctrl-l |
| 17:13.11 | Bushmills | L |
| 17:13.18 | jetscreamer | jim_p: you need that to be supplied by ati and your 3d will be blazing |
| 17:13.27 | dkr | Bushmills: ah-ha, it is shift-^C |
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| 17:14.00 | jim_p | jetscreamer: i tried to install from the ati-*.run package but i failed |
| 17:14.19 | jazzcat | hello. does someone if oprofile package is included in the testing repositories? I think it is, but I can't find it with apt-cache |
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| 17:14.38 | jim_p | jetscreamer: why slower? |
| 17:14.44 | dkr | Bushmills: it happens most often when I try to type " I" and the location of space and i character are the gesture for ^c if hit them at same time, so am typing a little too fast for kb to understand correctly sometimes |
| 17:14.52 | jetscreamer | jim_p: my ati card is slower than my nvidia |
| 17:14.56 | jetscreamer | is all i meant |
| 17:15.06 | drwahl | jazzcat: search http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 17:15.26 | jetscreamer | jim_p: when nyle wakes his lazy ass up he might be able to help you with fglrx... |
| 17:15.46 | jazzcat | drwahl: I did and I found it there... but I can't find it in my oficial spanish repository.. |
| 17:15.48 | drwahl | jazzcat: you might need something like "contrib non-free" in your sources.list and make sure that you apt-get update before you apt-cache search |
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| 17:15.53 | jim_p | jetscreamer: oh ! but my nvidia was less troublesome with configuring that this ati ! |
| 17:16.02 | jetscreamer | jim_p: much less |
| 17:16.14 | Bushmills | dkr: won't disconnect me here, using the keyboard. gestures disabled. |
| 17:16.29 | jetscreamer | jim_p: just to learn the ways of the ati-installer, not cuz i want to... :) |
| 17:17.12 | jetscreamer | jim_p: i want to make one of these for fglrx http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 17:17.13 | jim_p | jetscreamer: ok i will... in fact i went step by step from an ATI GUIDE i found online... and still failed |
| 17:18.29 | dkr | Bushmills: thanks for test. (by gesture I meant using a funky zero-force keyboard thingy, but I used regular kb also for shift-^C and that's definatelh it. so maybe a bug in my jabber server causing the disconnect when it sees that |
| 17:18.59 | Bushmills | dkr: using ejabberd here |
| 17:19.07 | dkr | Bushmills: jabberd2 |
| 17:19.20 | Bushmills | can try too, have that on another server |
| 17:20.29 | Bushmills | dkr: no effect. the ctrl-c won't even become part of the sent string, |
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| 17:21.28 | dkr | left shift down,control down, c,control up,left shift up? |
| 17:21.58 | Enf0rc3r | Is it possible to embed a virus / trojan in a .jpg image? someone told me you can and not to click some image links |
| 17:22.14 | jim_p | may i ask a non-debian , non-linux related question? |
| 17:22.17 | Polleke | Enf0rc3r, ehmm yes and no |
| 17:22.29 | Enf0rc3r | on windows |
| 17:22.30 | dkr | Enf0rc3r: very, very small possibility |
| 17:22.34 | xsdg | Enf0rc3r: yes, it is possible. Whether or not it will do anything depends on if your JPEG parsing library sucks or not |
| 17:22.40 | jim_p | Enf0rc3r: depends |
| 17:22.46 | Enf0rc3r | I want to open an image but im scared |
| 17:22.59 | Enf0rc3r | is there some way to find out?> |
| 17:23.03 | xsdg | Enf0rc3r: do you distrust the image for some reason? |
| 17:23.17 | Enf0rc3r | the link was pasted in a channel |
| 17:23.21 | Enf0rc3r | but it looks sus |
| 17:23.21 | xsdg | Enf0rc3r: also, you could just open it in the GIMP or IrfanView or something like that |
| 17:23.21 | jim_p | lol! save it to your drive and scan it then! |
| 17:23.34 | ezguy | hi, i got this error message - kernel: EDAC k8 MC0: Failed to translate InputAddr to csrow for address 0x488e83b0 |
| 17:23.38 | Enf0rc3r | ok |
| 17:23.45 | ezguy | when we get EDAC errors, what slot those errors translate to? |
| 17:23.55 | jazzcat | drwahl: no way... now I have this line in my sources.list "deb ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free", and another one similar for deb-src, and I still can't find it |
| 17:24.39 | jazzcat | drwahl: though oprofile is in debian.org packages list |
| 17:25.03 | Enf0rc3r | I've started using frostwire instead of limewire, it's nice |
| 17:25.18 | ezguy | would this be translate to error addess size $echo $((0x488e83b0)) equal to 1217299376 bytes? |
| 17:25.21 | Polleke | Enf0rc3r, how is that related to debian? |
| 17:25.36 | Enf0rc3r | can you get it for debian? |
| 17:26.04 | jim_p | i THINK limiwire is a java based app |
| 17:26.24 | jim_p | so if you have the java runtime... |
| 17:26.32 | drwahl | jazzcat: hmm, that was my best guess. maybe someone else has more info for ya. sorry |
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| 17:28.32 | Polleke | ezguy, where does this second message come from? |
| 17:29.02 | dcsimon | how does one go about enabling NCQ on a sata drive? |
| 17:29.42 | dcsimon | does a kernel option need to set? |
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| 17:30.55 | gourmand | jazzcat: oprofile is not a package; there are num of files with tihs name in linux-headers though |
| 17:31.03 | XTZGZoReX | Might you guys be able to help me here? |
| 17:31.04 | XTZGZoReX | xtzgzorex1:/home/wowserv/mangos5# cd etc |
| 17:31.04 | XTZGZoReX | -bash: cd: etc: Not a directory |
| 17:31.04 | XTZGZoReX | xtzgzorex1:/home/wowserv/mangos5# |
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| 17:31.19 | XTZGZoReX | Eh. |
| 17:31.31 | gourmand | XTZGZoReX: cd /etc |
| 17:31.41 | bujin | hi i just install compiz but when i try to run compiz-manager i get this http://pastebin.com/m41db22ee |
| 17:31.43 | Polleke | dcsimon, I dont have a sta drive.. quick google search did: http://linux-ata.org/faq.html |
| 17:31.48 | bujin | somewbody knows how to fix it? |
| 17:31.48 | XTZGZoReX | that takes me to the etc directory, the one with system stuffs |
| 17:31.53 | dcsimon | yea, been there, done that |
| 17:32.01 | dcsimon | @Polleke |
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| 17:32.27 | Polleke | dcsimon, and dmesg | grep ncq did? |
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| 17:32.50 | XTZGZoReX | gourmand: that takes me to the etc directory, the one with system stuffs |
| 17:32.53 | dcsimon | Polleke: as root, I cat 31 > /sys/disk/... : error, permission denied |
| 17:32.59 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: can you give us a little more info about what you are trying to accomplish? |
| 17:33.02 | jazzcat | gourmand: yes it is, or al least I think so. I found that : http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=oprofile&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all. Oprofile is not included in lenny distro, only etch an sind |
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| 17:33.05 | jazzcat | sid, sorry |
| 17:33.22 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: trying to enter a directory.. thats about it. I even moved a zip file into it, yet it wont let me in |
| 17:33.26 | Polleke | dcsimon, what does that grep give you? |
| 17:33.40 | dcsimon | Polleke: dmesg: ata1.00: 312581808 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32) |
| 17:34.11 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: is there a directory called /home/wowserv/mangos5/etc/ ? it seems as though the system does not believe there is |
| 17:34.12 | dcsimon | Polleke: looks like it's supported by the drive, but not enabled at boot |
| 17:34.21 | Polleke | dcsimon, suggests to me that is enabled |
| 17:34.24 | jim_p | does anyone now about virtualbox and its modules? |
| 17:34.41 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: There is, though, it might appear it's a textfile. Let me look into it, a sec. |
| 17:34.43 | Polleke | dcsimon, oh wait I see |
| 17:34.43 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: verify by: ls /home/wowserv/mangos5 |
| 17:34.58 | XTZGZoReX | xtzgzorex1:/home/wowserv/mangos5# ls /home/wowserv/mangos5 |
| 17:34.59 | XTZGZoReX | etc shared |
| 17:35.15 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: try: ls -al /home/wowserv/mangos5 |
| 17:35.15 | manju | did any1 installed debian from usb?? |
| 17:35.42 | dutchfish | manju, yes |
| 17:35.54 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: http://rafb.net/p/v1ou8499.html |
| 17:36.20 | Polleke | dcsimon, so.. you know which sdX you need to have? |
| 17:36.20 | ezguy | Polleke: from kernel log reported by edac. |
| 17:36.23 | gourmand | chmod +rX etc |
| 17:36.29 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: ya. etc is not a directory, niether is shared. they are both files, which is why you cannot cd to them |
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| 17:36.37 | XTZGZoReX | what the.. |
| 17:37.05 | dcsimon | Polleke: yes, I've tried the cat 32 > ... command (as root), I get a permission denied error, |
| 17:37.06 | XTZGZoReX | Oh great.. "nano shared" gave me nothing but a blackscreen |
| 17:37.19 | dcsimon | s/32/31/ |
| 17:37.45 | Polleke | dcsimon, echo 31 right? |
| 17:37.52 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: is it safe for me to assume you are setting up a WoW Server on that box? (i have done the samething myself a few times) |
| 17:38.02 | dcsimon | Polleke: yes, echo 31 |
| 17:38.03 | Polleke | dcsimon, I dont think cat 31 > is doing what it is supposed to do |
| 17:38.07 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: Very true. |
| 17:38.10 | \amethyst | dcsimon: what is the part after > ? |
| 17:38.11 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:38.12 | \amethyst | oop |
| 17:38.19 | \amethyst | XTZGZoReX: what is the part after > ? |
| 17:38.27 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: are you following some walkthrough? |
| 17:38.41 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: The official Mangos linux compile tutorial. |
| 17:38.48 | XTZGZoReX | \amethyst: What > ? |
| 17:38.53 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:39.01 | \amethyst | XTZGZoReX: sorry, wrong nick |
| 17:39.03 | jim_p | brb |
| 17:39.08 | XTZGZoReX | \amethyst: lol ok |
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| 17:39.22 | Polleke | dcsimon, yeah what \amethyst tries to ask you? What is after the > exactly |
| 17:39.49 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: I might have done the ./configure part wrong? |
| 17:40.08 | dcsimon | \ameythyst: /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth @Polleke: I did use echo, not cat, sorry for the typo |
| 17:40.23 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: I wanted it to throw the compiled Mangos into /home/wowserv/mangos5, do you remember what the ./configure syntax for that is? |
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| 17:40.31 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: i'm not really sure where you went wrong (of _if_ you went wrong) but i believe that it is not the ./configure part |
| 17:40.35 | Polleke | dcsimon, sda is correct? |
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| 17:40.57 | dcsimon | Polleke: yup |
| 17:40.59 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: I see. Hold on for asec. |
| 17:41.02 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: its been about a year since i last installed a WoW server, so i do not recall the syntax |
| 17:41.43 | \amethyst | dcsimon: and you're running it from a root or with sudo |
| 17:41.51 | \amethyst | s/a root/a root shell/ |
| 17:41.51 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: Oh. well, I tried moving scriptdev2.conf into /etc, while i was in /home/wowserv/sources/src/bindings/ScriptDev2/, with the command: cp scriptdev2.conf ../../../../mangos5/etc |
| 17:41.55 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: Was that unwise? |
| 17:42.24 | dcsimon | Polleke: should be as root, I used a sudo -i command |
| 17:42.50 | \amethyst | dcsimon: oh, sudo -i is fine, that's a root shell |
| 17:42.57 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: checking something.... |
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| 17:43.10 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: Roger :o |
| 17:43.21 | \amethyst | dcsimon: however, sudo echo 16 > /sys/blah won't work because the redirection is done before calling sudo |
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| 17:43.44 | dcsimon | \amethyst: gotcha, good to know for the future |
| 17:43.51 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: did you delete something? because it appears that all the files you had in ~/sources/* are gone |
| 17:43.52 | \amethyst | dcsimon: is it possible that the device don't let you set the queue depth? |
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| 17:44.32 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: I assume you meant ~/mangos5/* ? |
| 17:44.41 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: My /sources/ is fine |
| 17:44.42 | dcsimon | \amethyst: it is possible, anything is possible I suppose, just trying to debug this sata problem |
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| 17:44.53 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: err... ya |
| 17:45.00 | manju_ | i hav followed t instructions in http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 17:45.13 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: Yup, they're gone now. I think I might have overwritten something when I did the copy of scriptdev2.conf? |
| 17:45.16 | helo | what's then dpkg (bot) trigger for generating a list of all installed packages on a host that can be used to install the same packages on another? |
| 17:45.21 | kbase101 | hello. i am trying to install xmms in debian using apt but i get this error as seen in my blog after installing. can anyone help me? http://blog-kbase101.notlong.com <-- is this normal to happen? |
| 17:45.32 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: And overwritten shared when I copied my maps.zip to it |
| 17:45.41 | Polleke | dcsimon, random suggestion, could you give a ls -l of /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth |
| 17:45.45 | manju_ | i downloaded debian businesscard any copied in mypendrive.... |
| 17:46.01 | manju_ | but its not detecting tat iso image..... |
| 17:46.02 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: i would start from scratch. it seems that some important files might be missing. i'm not sure where to even begin with troublshooting that other than start over |
| 17:46.10 | manju_ | wat could b t reason?? |
| 17:46.23 | jetscreamer | kbase101: wtf is that site |
| 17:46.25 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:46.27 | \amethyst | kbase101: is that the wrong URL or are you spamming? |
| 17:46.29 | dcsimon | Polleke:-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-02-19 12:37 /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth |
| 17:46.31 | jetscreamer | i saw no error |
| 17:46.36 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: Guess I'll try recompiling then. |
| 17:46.50 | dcsimon | Polleke: I'll try a chmod, hold on a sec |
| 17:46.54 | XTZGZoReX | drwahl: Thanks for the help.. I got to go now. I'll finish my stuffs tomorrow. |
| 17:46.55 | jetscreamer | kbase101: was it dynamic mmap? |
| 17:46.57 | Polleke | dcsimon, chmod +w perhaps? Dont know if thats even possible |
| 17:46.58 | drwahl | manju_: you need to extract the iso onto the usbpen. you computer will not just boot a file called "debian.iso" |
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| 17:47.05 | drwahl | XTZGZoReX: np, good luck |
| 17:47.22 | jetscreamer | the installer can use a .iso |
| 17:47.33 | Grab | hey guys, sorry for the noob question: i just installed tinyproxy, but i dont find the way to start it: where should i look ? |
| 17:47.45 | jetscreamer | but of course you need to boot the installer |
| 17:47.47 | drwahl | jetscreamer: the installer can, but if that is the only file on the usbpen, then the computer will not be able to boot it |
| 17:47.51 | manju_ | i installed t installer on my pendrive |
| 17:47.59 | Polleke | Grab, how did you install it? |
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| 17:48.10 | jetscreamer | i thought so |
| 17:48.18 | themill | !ops kbase101 is spamming |
| 17:48.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: kbase101 is spamming |
| 17:48.18 | Grab | Polleke, ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 17:48.22 | dcsimon | Polleke: after chmod +w, I get this: -bash: echo: write error: Input/output error |
| 17:48.22 | jetscreamer | !ops kbase101 is ... that |
| 17:48.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: kbase101 is ... that |
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| 17:48.43 | kbase101 | !ops themill is spamming that i am spamming |
| 17:48.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kbase101 complains about: themill is spamming that i am spamming |
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| 17:48.49 | jetscreamer | yay team |
| 17:48.55 | \amethyst | Grab: is the debian package too old for you? |
| 17:48.57 | jetscreamer | !ganneff++ |
| 17:48.58 | dcsimon | Polleke: the chmod worked, the echo 31 > /sys/bla throws the above error |
| 17:49.00 | themill | thanks, Ganneff |
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| 17:49.10 | Grab | \amethyst, ? |
| 17:49.22 | \amethyst | Grab: there is a tinyproxy debian package |
| 17:49.25 | Grab | \amethyst, i dl'ed the package and installed it on my shell |
| 17:49.29 | \amethyst | apt-get install tinyproxy |
| 17:49.30 | Grab | i m not root |
| 17:49.32 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 17:49.45 | jetscreamer | never even seen the nick |
| 17:49.46 | Polleke | Grab, how did make install work then? |
| 17:49.49 | \amethyst | Grab: well, we can't generally help you with non-debian packages |
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| 17:49.59 | \amethyst | Polleke: configure --prefix=${HOME} maybe |
| 17:50.06 | Polleke | \amethyst, perhaps... |
| 17:50.07 | Grab | Polleke, i can do make install |
| 17:50.10 | helo | a apt-user would be pretty handy |
| 17:50.18 | Grab | yes with the prefux |
| 17:50.21 | Grab | i used the prefix |
| 17:50.23 | Polleke | Grab, ah kk |
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| 17:50.46 | \amethyst | Grab: maybe look at the init script from the debian package |
| 17:51.05 | Polleke | Grab, tried README or INSTALL |
| 17:51.07 | \amethyst | Grab: that is how debian starts it |
| 17:51.08 | blazer11 | wols what is an ideal size swap partition? |
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| 17:51.23 | felipe_ | hi |
| 17:51.27 | Polleke | dcsimon, hmmm weird... |
| 17:51.33 | \amethyst | Grab: also, note that, without being root, you can't sit on a port under 1024 |
| 17:51.33 | Grab | Polleke, theyu dint say how to start |
| 17:51.39 | felipe_ | is there a way to restore uid/owner of all the files? |
| 17:51.48 | themill | jetscreamer: http://people.debian.org/~joerg/ |
| 17:51.49 | jetscreamer | chown |
| 17:51.55 | Polleke | felipe_, restore? |
| 17:51.56 | wols | blazer11: does not exist. dpends on your workload |
| 17:52.07 | \amethyst | felipe_: for files from a package, you can reinstall the package |
| 17:52.12 | jetscreamer | chown -R user:user /home/user |
| 17:52.20 | Ganneff | themill: thats a pretty old page :) |
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| 17:52.36 | jelly | jetscreamer: that's not restoring, that's wishful thinking. |
| 17:52.44 | felipe_ | I did the /home |
| 17:52.51 | PaulTT | hi all, how do I set a script to start a program as a daemon running a specific user/group instead of the user that started the program via /etc/init.d/script? |
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| 17:52.58 | helo | why is this not producing any output: dpkg --get-selections | grep '[[:space:]]install$=' |
| 17:52.59 | felipe_ | but I need the restore ALL the filesystem to the original uid |
| 17:53.04 | dcsimon | Polleke: you are telling me, this works fine with the debian 2.6.22 kernel, I can't seem to find what is going wrong in the 2.6.24 I've build |
| 17:53.14 | themill | Ganneff: *I* can't do much about that :) (actually, p.d.o seems to be titsup atm anyway) |
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| 17:53.20 | jetscreamer | i did that once.. it's mostly root with a couple suid's |
| 17:53.20 | felipe_ | and permissions |
| 17:53.22 | \amethyst | helo: because of the equal sign? |
| 17:53.33 | dcsimon | Polleke: s/this/drive/ |
| 17:53.33 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 17:53.42 | jetscreamer | you could try reinstalling everyting |
| 17:53.44 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 17:53.49 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 17:53.49 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
| 17:53.49 | helo | hmm... http://www.debianadmin.com/clone-your-ubuntu-installation.html |
| 17:53.56 | jetscreamer | the first one |
| 17:53.58 | jelly | felipe: similar to /home, you can do /var/mail/* and /var/spool/cron/{crontabs,atjobs}/* |
| 17:54.42 | blazer11 | wols i have 4gb of mem so 1gb swap should be plenty dont you think? |
| 17:55.04 | jetscreamer | blazer11: unless you think you need more |
| 17:55.12 | jetscreamer | do you use swap a lot? |
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| 17:55.31 | jetscreamer | modeling or other very instensive apps? |
| 17:55.36 | jetscreamer | intensive |
| 17:55.44 | themill | blazer11: if you have a laptop and want to suspend to disk, you'll want more swap than that. |
| 17:55.57 | jetscreamer | yeah you'll need 4 to hibernate eh |
| 17:56.10 | jelly | jetscreamer: compression! |
| 17:56.13 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 17:56.18 | blazer11 | jetscreamer is 2gb still max for swap? im going to be doing mainly backups and some vmware |
| 17:56.22 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 17:56.30 | jetscreamer | never heard of a max swap before |
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| 17:56.41 | wols | blazer11: at 4GB, chances are you don't need any swap |
| 17:56.46 | themill | jetscreamer: well... the hibernate image is limited to 1/2 physical RAM at present... and caches aren't stored, they are dropped. |
| 17:56.46 | jelly | blazer11: you can have bigger swap. |
| 17:56.54 | felipe_ | what uid do I have to change for glpi |
| 17:56.58 | blazer11 | jetscreamer this is a server no desktop env |
| 17:57.02 | felipe_ | and apache |
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| 17:57.12 | blazer11 | thanks wols |
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| 17:57.24 | wols | but it all depends on workload... |
| 17:57.29 | jelly | themill: btw, TuxOnIce saves cache as well |
| 17:57.31 | blazer11 | K jelly thanks |
| 17:57.42 | jetscreamer | hey no dynamic swap, like that other os? |
| 17:57.44 | ross` | cp -what directotry coys directory's cp directory lists opitting directory |
| 17:57.46 | jetscreamer | duh nm |
| 17:58.04 | jetscreamer | blazer11: you can always add swapfiles if you want |
| 17:58.29 | jetscreamer | or leave enough room to resize your swap partition if you think you need to later |
| 17:58.54 | themill | jelly: yeah, but I cbf compiling a kernel for that.... |
| 17:59.17 | PaulTT | how can I specify what user a service runs as? isn't there a flag I can set on the executable? I remember doing this long ago, but I've forgotten |
| 17:59.20 | jelly | I can, it tends to work better than in-tree suspend |
| 17:59.22 | dcsimon | ok, I'll have to come back to the NCQ problem, what do I need to do to get the update-grub script to use a uuid instead of /dev/sdX |
| 17:59.40 | jetscreamer | you just edit menu.lst dcsimon |
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| 18:00.12 | dcsimon | jetscreamer: but every time I install a new kernel, all that is erased |
| 18:00.15 | jetscreamer | look for the debian automagic stuff, and the default options, iirc |
| 18:00.21 | themill | jelly: I just have this at the end of the restore scripts which reloads the caches... crude but mostly effective: cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
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| 18:00.31 | cahoot | kopts? |
| 18:00.32 | jetscreamer | dcsimon: you add to the options, not edit the lines |
| 18:00.37 | jetscreamer | yeah kopts i think |
| 18:00.55 | jetscreamer | add/change |
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| 18:01.51 | \amethyst | dcsimon: you need to edit the commented-out lines in the "AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST" section (and leave them commented) |
| 18:01.52 | fjfalcon | hello, etch-stable, laptop, cardreader, inserting mmc card, nothing happen, no message in dmesg also. Maybe i need to install some packages? |
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| 18:02.20 | Polleke | dcsimon, damm phone got me |
| 18:02.33 | jetscreamer | yes i do |
| 18:02.35 | Supaplex | fjfalcon: anything in /proc/partitions? |
| 18:02.37 | dcsimon | \amethyst: thanks |
| 18:02.38 | jetscreamer | dcsimon: # kopt=root=UUID=e56ffbde-0944-4e92-bc2d-6d89d24e544a ro |
| 18:02.43 | jetscreamer | do not uncomment it |
| 18:02.48 | jetscreamer | ## is a comment |
| 18:02.55 | dcsimon | Polleke: no problem |
| 18:03.05 | \amethyst | why does debian do it that way instead of using a template file? |
| 18:03.10 | Polleke | dcsimon, I would say do a diff on both configs and see whats different. Or did \amethyst say something else |
| 18:03.13 | \amethyst | it seems horribly confusing |
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| 18:03.44 | \amethyst | dcsimon: the uncommented lines are automatically generated from the commented ones |
| 18:03.47 | fjfalcon | Supaplex: only sda - hdd |
| 18:03.59 | jetscreamer | dcsimon: http://linux.hfds.com/files/menu.lst |
| 18:04.12 | dcsimon | Polleke: that was going to be my next step, thanks for the help |
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| 18:07.16 | jetscreamer | dcsimon: i've just got to say, even though i know you know better, that your uuid is different from mine |
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| 18:07.42 | dcsimon | jetscreamer: lol, yes, i know, understood |
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| 18:09.16 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid to find them out |
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| 18:09.29 | dcsimon | \amethyst, jetscreamer:are you telling me that there is no simply way to get update-grub to automatically use uuid (i know how to setup ment.lst manually) |
| 18:09.39 | dcsimon | s/simply/simple/ |
| 18:09.48 | jetscreamer | dcsimon: you edit the kopt line. that is simple to me. |
| 18:10.21 | jetscreamer | you edit that line and it's just magic |
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| 18:10.44 | dcsimon | jetscreamer: wow, sorry, must have missed that |
| 18:10.52 | jetscreamer | way up there... :) |
| 18:11.30 | dcsimon | jetscreamer,\amethyst: thanks, that will save lots of time |
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| 18:13.11 | jetscreamer | /lastlog jetscreamer |
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| 18:21.19 | ServerSide | what is the kde's .deb packages manager? |
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| 18:24.06 | mlclm | adept? |
| 18:24.24 | ServerSide | Mh, I mean, I remember when I was on KDE, I simply d/l a .deb package, and it install the software easily by clicking on a button |
| 18:24.33 | ServerSide | That's it? |
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| 18:25.24 | avtobiff | ServerSide, or use some apt frontend and download from debians repos |
| 18:25.27 | mlclm | yes, Adept is a package manager for KDE. |
| 18:25.56 | Laaa | Hi, I am a newbie with Debian |
| 18:26.00 | jetscreamer | i think you can use adept in anything |
| 18:26.12 | jetscreamer | there's also synaptic |
| 18:26.18 | avtobiff | Laaa, hi. i have used debian for some years. |
| 18:26.19 | Laaa | How can I remove a package completely? |
| 18:26.26 | ServerSide | opera isn't on my debian repots, and I don't want to "un-clear" my src.list |
| 18:26.28 | avtobiff | Laaa, aptitude purge package |
| 18:26.39 | avtobiff | Laaa, or apt-get remove --purge package |
| 18:26.46 | avtobiff | Laaa, or dpkg --purge package |
| 18:27.04 | Laaa | Yes, that's what I tried( apt-get remove --purge package) |
| 18:27.13 | avtobiff | Laaa, it works. |
| 18:27.41 | Laaa | but it does not seem to be remove completely |
| 18:27.43 | ServerSide | mlclm: err, adept isn't on my debian repots -_-" |
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| 18:27.51 | umuench | is here anyone from germany? |
| 18:27.54 | Laaa | for example Apache2 |
| 18:27.55 | jetscreamer | !de |
| 18:27.56 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 18:28.00 | turf_ | hello ! |
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| 18:28.14 | jetscreamer | !info adept etch |
| 18:28.15 | ServerSide | turf? :) |
| 18:28.18 | jetscreamer | !info adept lenny |
| 18:28.19 | Laaa | or MySQL |
| 18:28.23 | turf_ | does any one have kde 4 on etch ? |
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| 18:28.32 | turf_ | ServerSide x) |
| 18:28.37 | Grab | guys: how can i read channel logs in psybnc? i added a channel log with: addlog #chan :*, but how do i read the chan log when i come back ? |
| 18:28.47 | turf_ | pouet :) |
| 18:28.53 | avtobiff | Laaa, it depends. it only purges the package you explicitely put on the command line (this means, packages that purgepackage needed for depencies isn't purged, or maybe not even removet with apt-get) |
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| 18:29.01 | jetscreamer | a text editor is one way grab |
| 18:29.06 | jetscreamer | less is another |
| 18:29.12 | avtobiff | Laaa, e.g. apache has packages apache2 apache2-common blabla |
| 18:29.14 | ServerSide | turf_: I had it, but only from experimental repos man ;) |
| 18:29.29 | dpkg | adept: (package management suite for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 2.1.2 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 18:29.30 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get autoremove |
| 18:29.39 | ServerSide | avtobiff: what's wrong? http://pastebin.ca/910038 :S |
| 18:29.41 | jetscreamer | it's in etch serverside |
| 18:29.51 | ServerSide | Ah. Fuck. |
| 18:30.07 | ignu | help anyone?: I can't get adobe flash to install for iceweasel ... I've been following the instructions at 'http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash' and get locked up whenever it asks me to 'Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla)' ... /usr/bin doesn't get it done |
| 18:30.14 | Laaa | avtobiff:Thank you for the explanation .So If I want to remove Apache2 |
| 18:30.19 | Laaa | what must I do? |
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| 18:30.35 | turf_ | so compiz-fusion is integrated ServerSide ? |
| 18:30.38 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge apache* maybe |
| 18:30.39 | helo | if i'm using "aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list" to get a list of packages to install somewhere else, and a few of those packages were compiled by myself (quick backport), can i put the .debs into /var/cache/apt/archives/ before telling aptitude to install all packages in that file? |
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| 18:30.47 | ServerSide | nope |
| 18:30.52 | jetscreamer | yes helo |
| 18:30.52 | drwahl | ignu: try: find / | grep mozilla to locate its path |
| 18:31.21 | turf_ | what's new in the 4.0 versions |
| 18:31.25 | turf_ | ? |
| 18:31.38 | jetscreamer | i mean adept not compiz, ServerSide |
| 18:31.43 | ServerSide | kernel panixs ;] |
| 18:31.44 | \amethyst | ignu: /usr/lib/iceweasel is the directory it's talking about |
| 18:31.45 | Grab | <jetscreamer> a text editor is one way grab <= the problem is i cant find the logs |
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| 18:31.47 | chandor | ignu: copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins and restart iceweasel |
| 18:31.52 | helo | kernel penix? |
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| 18:32.07 | ServerSide | panic, if you prefer ;) |
| 18:32.07 | lurch | what command is used to search file names within a folder |
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| 18:32.11 | Grab | <jetscreamer: the log dir doesnt have a file with channel log |
| 18:32.16 | jetscreamer | Grab: updatedb and locate name_of_log (or a portion of the name) |
| 18:32.19 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:32.28 | solar_sea | lurch, ls | grep filename |
| 18:32.33 | jetscreamer | well no idea how to make it work |
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| 18:32.41 | lurch | doesnt grep search within a file |
| 18:32.47 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:32.50 | jetscreamer | or many files |
| 18:32.54 | Grab | jetscreamer, im not root |
| 18:33.00 | jetscreamer | sudo ? |
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| 18:33.07 | solar_sea | ls lists the content, | passes its output to grep, so grep searches it's output |
| 18:33.09 | Haris | I have a problem |
| 18:33.13 | jetscreamer | Grab: but if the log isn't there your client didn't create the log? |
| 18:33.14 | Grab | jetscreamer, it's a shell |
| 18:33.15 | Haris | syslog dies every hour |
| 18:33.15 | ignu | \amethyst: thx that worked |
| 18:33.30 | ignu | chandor: I may need to try that one also |
| 18:33.30 | Haris | after I put -m 0 in /etc/defaults/syslogd |
| 18:33.31 | lurch | im naming backuptars with a date and i wanna search and grab one that 7 days old from the current date |
| 18:33.41 | jetscreamer | Grab: my find skills suck... you can use find though |
| 18:34.27 | ServerSide | yo luti |
| 18:34.28 | Grab | ?? |
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| 18:34.55 | Haris | http://pastebin.ca/910046 |
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| 18:35.41 | ed` | turf_, I think you are gay |
| 18:36.12 | luti | lol |
| 18:36.19 | Laaa | avtobiff:Can you please let me know how what must I do to remove Apache2? |
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| 18:36.37 | abrotman | Laaa: aptitude purge apache2 |
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| 18:36.41 | Haris | Laaa: aptitude purge apache2 |
| 18:36.41 | ServerSide | powanet is "débarqu'ing" here for you turf_ ;D |
| 18:36.43 | Haris | lol |
| 18:36.48 | Haris | *laugh* :p |
| 18:36.57 | manfre | I'm trying to apt-get ssl-cert, but it just hangs during the configuration |
| 18:37.10 | manfre | version 1.0.15 |
| 18:37.16 | Haris | that reminds me of a problem I had with cpan the other day |
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| 18:37.34 | luti | turf_ powanet need you, we are so disapointed when you are not here... :( |
| 18:37.40 | Haris | I was installing Authen::PAM and I got error |
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| 18:37.44 | jetscreamer | Laaa: apt-get remove --purge apache* ? |
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| 18:38.01 | turf_ | i m not geeking anymore , i m working |
| 18:38.11 | Haris | --purge is not an option, I tried that once. |
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| 18:38.27 | jetscreamer | Haris: you did it wrong then |
| 18:38.33 | jetscreamer | with apt-get |
| 18:38.39 | jetscreamer | aptitude purge maybe |
| 18:38.42 | luti | turf_ what did you say? you're working? :o where is the really truf, my favorite geek? XD |
| 18:38.47 | Haris | well, I ran it in the same fashion |
| 18:39.00 | turf_ | i think he's death |
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| 18:39.03 | Haris | cpan thung: http://pastebin.ca/910053 |
| 18:39.06 | Haris | thing+ |
| 18:39.18 | jetscreamer | that's the perl thingy eh |
| 18:39.25 | turf_ | if i m logged on irc , i mggeking all day/night long |
| 18:39.26 | luti | turf_ oh my god... I requiere a silence's minute please |
| 18:39.34 | turf_ | geeking* |
| 18:39.48 | Haris | asking in #cpan |
| 18:39.48 | ed` | where is my favourite red hair man x'[ ? |
| 18:39.50 | Laaa | Thank you all for help. I will try aptitude purge apache2 |
| 18:40.02 | turf_ | lol ed` |
| 18:40.06 | jetscreamer | ed`: you mean Guerin ? |
| 18:40.13 | ed` | maybe |
| 18:40.14 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:40.23 | luti | Qay surement, mais rein... |
| 18:40.27 | luti | *Gay |
| 18:41.04 | ed` | turf_, your job is good ? |
| 18:41.04 | ServerSide | Have fun withnew life turf_ ;] |
| 18:41.10 | ServerSide | letz eat |
| 18:41.12 | luti | Guerin it's when you have red hair? |
| 18:41.19 | turf_ | xD |
| 18:41.27 | turf_ | <ell , i m working a lot |
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| 18:41.35 | turf_ | so yeah , quite good |
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| 18:41.57 | turf_ | customers are happy |
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| 18:42.00 | luti | turf_ you found a job? :o or is it the job what I already knew? ^^ |
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| 18:42.20 | turf_ | somehow yeah i m still doing what-you-know |
| 18:42.21 | leonardo | hi all. i'm with gnome, but i can't change my clock and date |
| 18:42.31 | leonardo | when i click on it nothing appear |
| 18:42.45 | leonardo | do i miss any package, what i need to do? |
| 18:42.50 | turf_ | but i m working for little companies as informatic technician |
| 18:42.54 | luti | leonardo gnome is not very beautiful, I prefere kde, so, sorry, I can't help you |
| 18:43.07 | leonardo | kde is heavy |
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| 18:43.17 | luti | ho, congratulations turf_:) |
| 18:43.37 | mlclm | man date? once change, and forgiven |
| 18:43.37 | luti | heavy? what is it in french? i juste know "heavy" metal ^^ |
| 18:43.44 | dirkson | Not /entirely/ sure if this is on-topic or not, but does anyone know of a few nice low-cpu usage games that are in the debian repositories? I've got a 900mhz laptop that I cart about with me. |
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| 18:44.12 | drwahl | dirkson: The Mana World (i think the package might be tmw) |
| 18:44.17 | drwahl | and liquid wars |
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| 18:44.43 | ed` | so turf_ the girlfriend's next step is coming soon ? |
| 18:44.49 | dirkson | drwahl: I always liked liquid wars. Is TMW actually anywhere near playable yet? (I think I last checked it when it was 0.17 or so) |
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| 18:45.33 | turf_ | yeah |
| 18:45.46 | drwahl | dirkson: its playable. its now at 0.0.24. TMWServ, their server they are developing, is getting close to beta release as well, so that will allow MANY more features in the "near" future |
| 18:45.46 | turf_ | i got a catch on a beautifull one |
| 18:46.08 | dutchfish | apropos whats th ename of packman game in debian? |
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| 18:46.21 | RaymondX | what's the command name for openoffice writer? |
| 18:46.32 | drwahl | dirkson: you could also run Wine and Starcraft with that machine |
| 18:46.40 | drwahl | RaymondX: soffice |
| 18:46.44 | dirkson | drwahl: Neato : ) |
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| 18:47.06 | drwahl | dirkson: or i believe a similar one is lincraft |
| 18:47.08 | manfre | is there a way to tell why a package is hanging during an install? |
| 18:47.09 | dirkson | drwahl: I think I've eeked out as much enjoyment as I can from starcraft. |
| 18:47.29 | drwahl | dirkson: i still play it on a weekly basis. you know, to get a break from WoW :) |
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| 18:48.12 | pols33 | anyone help me switch my keyboard layout from dvorak to standard? it's getting really tiresome since i havent bothered to learn dvorak.. |
| 18:48.18 | dutchfish | manfre, 1 pos is that it tries to restart a service, and looks through debconf the wrong way |
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| 18:48.25 | dirkson | drwahl: *laughs* I see. |
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| 18:49.15 | manfre | dutchfish, any way of telling if that is the case? The package is ssl-cert |
| 18:49.22 | DawnLight | pols33: dpkg-reconfigure console-data perhaps |
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| 18:49.34 | dirkson | Oh! As long as I'm here: Does Debian have a tool for editing initscripts, like Gentoo's rc-update? |
| 18:49.42 | dutchfish | manfre, did it install depending packages that contain a daemon? |
| 18:50.19 | manfre | i did apt-get for an mta that needed it...it hung on that step |
| 18:50.34 | manfre | trying to install that package specifically hangs |
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| 18:50.44 | dutchfish | manfre, only openssl |
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| 18:50.49 | manfre | it's installed |
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| 18:51.07 | dutchfish | manfre, etch? |
| 18:51.08 | Supaplex | dirkson: what's rc-update do? is it like update-rc.d? or /etc/default/ ? |
| 18:51.12 | manfre | sid |
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| 18:51.29 | totocool_ | how can i do that |
| 18:51.29 | totocool_ | ? |
| 18:51.35 | dutchfish | manfre, cant help you with that, sorry its prolly broken atm |
| 18:52.10 | manfre | dutchfish, okay. no worries. I took the gamble with sid since I needed a lot of newer packages to support the hardware |
| 18:52.27 | dirkson | Supaplex: Right, sorry. I call it to either A: Add scripts to a particular runlevel, B: Remove scripts from a particular runlevel, or C: List all currently enabled scripts and which runlevels they're associated with. |
| 18:52.34 | dutchfish | manfre, i use backports with a vanilla kernel, much safer |
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| 18:54.19 | dutchfish | manfre, if you are really determened you could unpack the package and look at its installer and preconfig scripts, its prolly there where it mucks up |
| 18:54.22 | Supaplex | !update-rc.d |
| 18:54.23 | dpkg | i guess update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 18:54.27 | Supaplex | dirkson: ^^^^ |
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| 18:54.57 | manfre | dutchfish, okay. I'll give that a shot |
| 18:55.00 | Agiofws | hey guys |
| 18:55.03 | bdadmin2w | hello, I am setting up a brand new server with two SATA drives in RAID 1. This machine's purpose it ONLY to run VMware, it will be a minimal debian 64 install. This machine has 8GB of ram. two questions: 1) Should I set up any SWAP? 2) Should I use LVM? |
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| 18:55.09 | dutchfish | manfre, specially never ending loops that wait on some daemon that wasnt started |
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| 18:55.18 | Agiofws | can someone tell me how to disable ipv6 on debian lenny ? |
| 18:55.33 | Supaplex | dirkson: ahh, looks like rcconf is suggested over update-rc.d (as to use/modification by you) |
| 18:55.52 | dirkson | Supaplex: Yay! Thanks : ) Can either one list things? |
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| 18:56.06 | Agiofws | bdadmin2w, 1)set up swap .... |
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| 18:56.12 | dutchfish | Agiofws, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 18:56.30 | lymeca | I run an Etch server but would like to install the mediawiki package in lenny. What's the best/safest way to go about doing this? |
| 18:56.45 | Supaplex | dirkson: no idea. update-rc.d is best used by other things. I recall someone mentioning why, but I'm just starting to change my ways. :) |
| 18:56.51 | wols | !tell lymeca about simple sid backports |
| 18:56.53 | dirkson | Supaplex: Alrighty |
| 18:56.57 | Agiofws | dutchfish, disableing ipv6 speed up net right ? |
| 18:57.01 | bdadmin2w | swap? really? I was thinking I would only set up swaps in the guest VM's. 1) why? 2) How much? |
| 18:57.06 | wols | tho mediawiki is a php only package IIRC so simply using etch php5 should be enough |
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| 18:57.14 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 18:57.14 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:57.14 | Haris | Guys! |
| 18:57.15 | Haris | configure: error: cannot find the pam_appl.h file |
| 18:57.17 | dutchfish | Agiofws, not really |
| 18:57.22 | Haris | this is when building Authen::PAM in cpan |
| 18:57.31 | jetscreamer | manfre: ^^ kmuto |
| 18:57.32 | Haris | I believe I'm missing pam-dev kind of package? |
| 18:57.36 | pi3 | I'm not new to Linux though I want to give Debian 4.0 a try. I booted the netinst but the Network Configuration is having some trouble with the DHCP |
| 18:57.38 | Haris | which one is it on etch? |
| 18:57.40 | dirkson | Supaplex: *boots up rcconf* DEAR GOD IT'S GUI-FIED! ^.^ As long as it's ncurses, I don't mind the gui. |
| 18:57.46 | rdz | hi all. i have a server with a public ip and a computer in a private network. the computer runs a service, that i would like to make accessible from outside. how can i create a tunnel, that redirects port XXX on the server to port YYY on the local computer? |
| 18:57.50 | Agiofws | dutchfish, how can i check if ipv6 is on now ? |
| 18:57.54 | wols | pi3: do you have a network interface? |
| 18:58.06 | dutchfish | Agiofws, netstat -nlp |
| 18:58.09 | wols | rdz: yes. port forwarding |
| 18:58.10 | pi3 | wols: yes, eth0 and eth1, I'm using eth0 |
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| 18:58.29 | wols | go to vty2 and use dhclient eth0 |
| 18:58.34 | rdz | wols, i don't have access to any router.. can't i do that by using an ssh-tunnel? |
| 18:58.34 | Supaplex | dirkson: new territory for me. I hope it's like modconf, ncurses tui |
| 18:58.41 | wols | if you actually have a eth0 |
| 18:58.52 | chops | So I'm planning to make an ext3 filesystem on an LVM volume which is striped across two RAID5 volumes |
| 18:58.57 | manfre | jetscreamer, i started with those and then dist-upgrade to sid |
| 18:59.01 | dirkson | Supaplex: Thank you /VERY/ much. Now I can get rid of things I don't need. Bye HAL. If I need something to mount, I'll do it myself. |
| 18:59.07 | pols33 | dl: thank crap, it worked. |
| 18:59.10 | wols | rdz: if you have a linux pc router you have access to iptables and therefore can port forward |
| 18:59.15 | Supaplex | heh heh :) |
| 18:59.21 | manfre | jetscreamer, i'd rather tinker and learn than reconfigure everything from scratch again |
| 18:59.22 | rdz | wols, i tried: ssh -N -R 8022:localhost:80 user@domain.org (running on the local comp, where domain.org is the server) |
| 18:59.28 | Haris | libpam-* has alot of packages |
| 18:59.31 | Haris | not sure which is it |
| 18:59.37 | pi3 | wols: were you talking to me? |
| 18:59.42 | jetscreamer | manfre: ah ok |
| 18:59.44 | chops | Does anyone happen to know if just specifying the stripe sizes all as the same will make everything just work (TM)? Or will I have to worry if LVM (or something else) is going to offset my stripes by 2k or something? |
| 18:59.49 | pi3 | wols: "go to vty2 and use dhclient eth0" |
| 18:59.52 | Agiofws | dutchfish, ixus:/home/agiofws# netstat -nlp | paste |
| 18:59.53 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/7wjXsg39.html |
| 18:59.54 | wols | rdz: localhost cannot work of course |
| 18:59.59 | wols | pi3: yes |
| 19:00.03 | Agiofws | what am i looking for some specific line ? |
| 19:00.07 | rdz | wols, you are saying that i can portforward on my server? |
| 19:00.11 | rdz | wols, got it |
| 19:00.14 | manfre | jetscreamer, besides. If i can figure out how to fix it than I can save others from suffering through it |
| 19:00.15 | wols | rdz: if it's a linux server: yes |
| 19:00.18 | chops | Also, is stride length preserved by online ext3 resizes? |
| 19:00.27 | dutchfish | Agiofws, no ipv6 int there |
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| 19:00.31 | rdz | wols, yeah.. debian etch and i have full access |
| 19:00.36 | Agiofws | int ? |
| 19:00.41 | wols | rdz: and your ssh line is useless. you doN#t want to portforward localhost. you want to forard a public IP. man ssh |
| 19:00.41 | Agiofws | as in interger ? |
| 19:00.53 | Agiofws | initialize ? |
| 19:00.55 | chops | Agiofws: interface, presumably |
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| 19:01.14 | rdz | wols, it works from the server, but of course, not from outside when accessing the server |
| 19:01.20 | jetscreamer | manfre: where's the error pasted? and did apt-get -f install do anything for you |
| 19:01.20 | pi3 | wols: so I select not to configure the network at this time and after installing I run that? |
| 19:01.25 | wols | Rothgar`: obviously |
| 19:01.30 | Agiofws | ok thanks |
| 19:01.31 | rdz | wols, what commands am i interested in when doing portforwarding? |
| 19:01.37 | wols | !tell pi3 about interfaces |
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| 19:01.47 | wols | rdz: in ssh |
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| 19:02.15 | rdz | wols, don't get it... would you like to write me an exxample line? |
| 19:02.31 | dutchfish | brb |
| 19:02.46 | wols | no. you need to listen on ALL interfacs. not just localhost |
| 19:02.47 | manfre | jetscreamer, it hangs. The most time i've given it was 15 minutes. Even if it were waiting for random entropy...it should finish in less time than that. |
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| 19:02.54 | wols | there are enough ssh portforward howtos out there |
| 19:02.55 | rdz | wols, got it.. |
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| 19:03.10 | insider- | iwlist wlan0 no results!! how could this happend ? at the same time that my second card show me results! |
| 19:03.11 | rdz | wols, ok.. i think portforward is the keyword |
| 19:03.13 | rdz | wols, thanks |
| 19:03.36 | manfre | after i kill it, "dpkg: error processing ssl-cert (--configure): subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)" |
| 19:03.38 | wols | rdz: ssg portforwarding is probably better for your scenario. use a light cypher. like blowfish |
| 19:03.51 | chops | manfre: It's possible that it's waiting for random entropy but none is arriving |
| 19:04.01 | wols | manfre: press mor keys. do more disk activity |
| 19:04.09 | chops | manfre: Does it start to make progress if you start 'find / > /dev/null' in another terminal? |
| 19:04.14 | wols | generate entropy |
| 19:04.32 | manfre | i've got 2 torrets, streaming music, rdesktop and a virtualbox running |
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| 19:04.55 | manfre | like i said, 15 minutes should have been more than enough entropy |
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| 19:04.56 | dutchfish | chops, manfre or run updatedb in another terminal |
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| 19:05.43 | chops | manfre: Well, since you obviously know better than we do, I'll give up trying to help you :-/ |
| 19:05.54 | insider- | hello.. some help here? |
| 19:06.43 | umuench | maybe |
| 19:06.45 | manfre | chops, i have no intentions to sound ungrateful. I'm willing to try anything and just doing my best to point out what i've already tried |
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| 19:07.24 | jeward | Hi, I'm trying to get LDAP authentication working on etch apache 1.3. |
| 19:07.56 | chops | manfre: Even if you know _for_sure_ that you've got enough entropy, running 'find /' or updatedb and then reporting back "tried it, it didn't work, any other ideas?" is a better way to show that you're grateful for the help than just saying it :-) |
| 19:08.04 | umuench | php4 or 5? |
| 19:08.05 | jeward | I must be using the wonrg directives? Invalid command 'LDAP_OpenLDAP_Initialize', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 19:08.26 | chops | manfre: And, of course, who knows, you might be surprised... |
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| 19:08.32 | manfre | true |
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| 19:09.01 | chops | manfre: Refusing to provide information or try the things that people suggest is an excellent way to get stuck in "Hello? Can anyone help with my problem?"-land |
| 19:09.04 | umuench | ldap 2.2 (or earlier) or 2.3? |
| 19:09.05 | jeward | i libapache-mod-ldap - Apache authentication via LDAP directory |
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| 19:09.54 | jeward | umuench: How do I tell? |
| 19:10.44 | manfre | chops, understood. tried "updatedb" and "find / > /dev/null" with no luck |
| 19:10.45 | bdadmin2w | Hey. I've got a cheapie raid-1 set up (Supermicro on-board). Debian is seeing it as two drives. What can I do? |
| 19:10.58 | ignu | any help on this one?: I'm trying to get my puter to watch whole episodes at abc.com ... First step I finally accomplished (getting flash to work), but now I'm getting 'ABC uses a plug-in you don't currently have ... Instructions for Windows People ... installing, please follow steps 1-4' |
| 19:11.07 | manfre | currently trying "cat /dev/random" |
| 19:11.17 | chops | manfre: How long did you wait? |
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| 19:11.23 | Miesco | I am using vsftpd, how come when ever I try to upload this 24gig file it timesout after like 10 seconds? |
| 19:11.39 | chops | manfre: Can you repro the hang and then use pstree and strace to track down what's hanging and why? |
| 19:11.48 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, you did setup it correctly in the bios for raid 1? |
| 19:12.04 | bdadmin2w | dutchfish, yes, and Debian is still seeing it as two drives |
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| 19:12.35 | bdadmin2w | when I boot, it says "detecting raids... healthy" |
| 19:12.43 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, and its hardware raid? if so post your lspci -v please |
| 19:13.07 | bdadmin2w | It's set up in the BIOS, but I get the impression it's a hybrid software/hardware raid |
| 19:13.23 | bdadmin2w | so I should boot the debian install disc, alt+left, and run lspci? |
| 19:13.38 | jetscreamer | alt+F2? |
| 19:14.37 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, do you see, a post line of the raid bios? |
| 19:14.46 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, on boot |
| 19:14.49 | bdadmin2w | yes |
| 19:14.57 | bdadmin2w | it says "detecting arrays.... healthy" |
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| 19:15.17 | bdadmin2w | i pressed F10 to go into the raid, and it shows two drives associated with the raid (server only has 2 drives) |
| 19:15.30 | bdadmin2w | yes debian shows two drives, ignoring the raid set up |
| 19:15.30 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, they are initialized? |
| 19:15.47 | bdadmin2w | um.... perhaps? |
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| 19:16.01 | bdadmin2w | i saw this article: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/480097.html somebody seems to have my same problem |
| 19:17.22 | bdadmin2w | there is no option to initialize in the raid bios. there's rebuild, delete, and clear MBR |
| 19:17.22 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, mm... could be |
| 19:17.39 | manfre | chops, http://pastebin.com/d371795ca It appears that 8321 is reading entropy, except only from mouse movement |
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| 19:18.09 | manfre | when the mouse moves, it slowly adds more read lines. If the mouse is still then it stalls |
| 19:18.13 | chops | manfre: Does the strace do anything interesting if you start a 'find /' in another terminal? |
| 19:18.29 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, i suspect -soft-raid, if so you will be better of, in using mdm |
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| 19:18.44 | bdadmin2w | ahh |
| 19:18.52 | bdadmin2w | how can I confirm this? |
| 19:19.16 | chops | manfre: The fact that the mouse adds entropy doesn't mean that entropy can't be added from any other sources. All that you've demonstrated is that it is not _currently_ being added from any other sources (which is exactly what I and wols told you). |
| 19:19.25 | capiira | hi all i have a prob with gnome, when i open vlc or iceweasel it shows a strange border above the applications menu |
| 19:19.25 | pols33 | got a lucrative weasel!! |
| 19:19.28 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, your mainboard manual or consult super micro, i use them too, but always along with 3ware raid cards |
| 19:19.35 | manfre | chops, didn't get a chance....looks like i moved the mouse enough for it to finish. Odd that it only grabbed entropy from mouse movement only |
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| 19:19.48 | razza | ImportError: No module named xrandr |
| 19:19.50 | chops | manfre: What did you try to do to add entropy other than move the mouse? |
| 19:19.52 | razza | why do i get that? |
| 19:19.57 | bdadmin2w | ahh the card would help.... I suppose I shall call them. thank you |
| 19:20.03 | razza | what should i install |
| 19:20.12 | capiira | see my prob http://roflsaurus.com/users/public/i38707nocompizz134.jpg |
| 19:20.13 | jetscreamer | !find xrandr |
| 19:20.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xrandr' (5 of 6): (/usr/bin/xrandr) in x11/x11-xserver-utils ;; (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/xrandr.pc) in libdevel/libxrandr-dev ;; (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/X/_xrandr) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/fpcsrc/packages/extra/x11/xrandr.pp) in devel/fpc-source ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/X/_xrandr) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 19:20.29 | razza | ? |
| 19:20.34 | bdadmin2w | is RAID1 performance worse than no-raid, using mdm? |
| 19:21.01 | capiira | i noticed it with compiz running because it creates a shadow around that border,see: http://roflsaurus.com/users/public/r27336Screenshott64.jpg |
| 19:21.06 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, hardware raid is always supirior to softraid |
| 19:21.07 | jetscreamer | x11-xserver-utils maybe |
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| 19:21.11 | manfre | chops, mouse movement, network IO, disk io (updatedb), random typing in gedit with clipboard activity. The only one that seemed to have an effect was moving the mouse. |
| 19:21.12 | Miesco | I set vsftpd to have no timeout, and it still timesout |
| 19:21.13 | jetscreamer | hsould be installed though |
| 19:21.19 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install xorg |
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| 19:21.22 | manfre | that was during the strace |
| 19:21.28 | razza | anyone who can help |
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| 19:21.46 | bdadmin2w | dutchfish, that I know. i was wondering how soft-raid-1 compares to no-raid, and how much performance loss there is, if any |
| 19:21.55 | \amethyst | manfre: network isn't used AFAIK because it's theoretically exploitable |
| 19:22.06 | chops | manfre: Odd. updatedb should have done it (though the others I'd be a bit doubtful about). Maybe it was updatedb'ing out of cache from the previous updatedb run (when you didn't have strace running). |
| 19:22.08 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, hold on a sec i give you a link |
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| 19:23.39 | dutchfish | bdadmin2w, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
| 19:24.00 | bdadmin2w | dutchfish, thanks! |
| 19:24.22 | manfre | \amethsyt, that makes sense. chops, the updatedb caching makes sense. I probably did run it a short while ago. it's one of those things I do out of habit |
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| 19:25.12 | nios | 4.0r3 = lenny ? |
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| 19:25.34 | zinx | nios: no, lenny isn't released |
| 19:26.01 | zinx | nios: and it wouldn't be 4.0anything.. would at least be 4.1, though i don't know what version it's going to get |
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| 19:26.14 | zinx | nios: 4.0 is etch |
| 19:26.24 | nios | okay |
| 19:26.55 | manfre | thank you all for the help. finished just in time for a meeting |
| 19:27.10 | chops | manfre: np |
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| 19:27.56 | Miesco | If you just put drag AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS to a DVD, will it work? |
| 19:28.16 | Miesco | Like drag, then write to it |
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| 19:30.08 | crumblenaut | erm, latest debian testing kernel is vulnerable to vmsplice? wtf? linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 is the latest apt is telling me about, yet its vulnerable to vmsplice :/ |
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| 19:30.33 | Miesco | Thats not the latest kernel... |
| 19:30.38 | Miesco | for etch |
| 19:30.38 | cusco | crumblenaut: so? |
| 19:30.47 | cusco | crumblenaut: disable vmsplice memory thingie |
| 19:30.54 | \amethyst | Miesco: he said 'testing' |
| 19:30.55 | \amethyst | crumblenaut: as you just noticed, testing is usually the last to get security updates |
| 19:30.59 | Miesco | wait nvm lol |
| 19:31.16 | \amethyst | crumblenaut: however, there should be a 2.6.22-6.lenny1 |
| 19:31.31 | peppe | testing security? |
| 19:31.36 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 19:31.37 | \amethyst | that's it |
| 19:31.56 | \amethyst | crumblenaut: you're probably missing the testing updates in your sources.list |
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| 19:33.25 | \amethyst | !testing security |
| 19:33.25 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 19:33.34 | \amethyst | crumblenaut: do that ^^^^ |
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| 19:33.38 | crumblenaut | ok, thanks |
| 19:33.57 | dutchfish | http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/linux-2.6 |
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| 19:35.21 | \amethyst | yeah, it will be package linux-image-2.6.22-3-flavour but the version of that package should be 2.6.22-6.lenny1 |
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| 19:38.02 | helo | is there a command to only clean out packages from /var/cache/apt/archives if there is a newer version of that package there as well? |
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| 19:38.28 | bahadunn | what is the stable updates repository called? |
| 19:38.34 | hoxu | helo, man apt-get, see autoclean |
| 19:38.36 | helo | like "domybidding --sell soul" or somesuch |
| 19:39.18 | hoxu | !sources.list |
| 19:39.18 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:40.03 | themill | !tell antixogh about root |
| 19:41.41 | bahadunn | no one knows what the stable updates respository is called? |
| 19:41.49 | xingu | helo: autoclean |
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| 19:42.29 | nios | why are all mirrors so damn lazy with debian 4.0r3 |
| 19:42.35 | nios | .se |
| 19:43.06 | jelly-home | bahadunn, afaik repos don't have names. What are you trying to do? |
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| 19:43.44 | bahadunn | jelly-home: there is a repo for debian stable for packages that get updated like clamav with virus definitions and snort rules for example but I cannot remember what it is called |
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| 19:43.59 | Jakubb | hi |
| 19:44.00 | jelly-home | bahadunn: volatile? |
| 19:44.02 | Jakubb | please i need help with sth |
| 19:44.04 | Jakubb | gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv 9072870B |
| 19:44.06 | bahadunn | jelly-home: ah yeah |
| 19:44.09 | bahadunn | jelly-home: thats it thanks |
| 19:44.09 | Jakubb | eee sorry :) |
| 19:44.18 | Jakubb | moblock: error while loading shared libraries: libnetfilter_queue.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:44.26 | Jakubb | i installed moblock but it writing this to me |
| 19:44.33 | Jakubb | i have libnetfilter in /lib directory |
| 19:44.51 | jelly-home | bahadunn: though you don't need virus definitions from volatile if you have clamav-freshclam running |
| 19:45.06 | Jakubb | in /usr/lib |
| 19:45.27 | Linuturk | I've installed apache mysql-server php5 php5-mysql ; and I see apache2, but apache is loading instead of apache2 . . . |
| 19:45.40 | vyrus001 | can i get some alsa help? i have alsa installed and the krenel mod for my card in my lsmod, alsamixer shows playback and capture options and mplayer THINKS its playing sound... but i hear nothing... ideas? |
| 19:45.44 | bahadunn | jelly-home: yes but I am looking because of updated snort rules |
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| 19:47.15 | Gyde | I have a usb hdd, which wont mount, any tool/automount i can use or do I have to do it the hard way? |
| 19:47.44 | wols | !tell Gyde about usb storage |
| 19:47.52 | bahadunn | hhmm seems snort rules is not in volatile though |
| 19:47.55 | bahadunn | oh well |
| 19:48.22 | jwl | Jakubb: a search on packages.debian.org suggests you don't have libnetfilter-queue1 installed |
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| 19:51.10 | Jakubb | jwl: i have it installed |
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| 19:51.53 | Jakubb | and i have library too, i dont know why it wants library which i have in my system |
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| 19:53.05 | jetscreamer | it wants to read new books |
| 19:53.41 | pi3 | I've successfully installed Debian 4.0 without networking. Now I configured /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp but pinging my gateway returns "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 19:53.44 | peppe | After unpacking 191MB of additional disk space will be used. <-- with an apt-get dist-upgrade, is there a way to figure out which packages are causing this? |
| 19:54.12 | pumpkin0 | pi3: did you restart the dhcp-client ? |
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| 19:54.35 | peppe | pi3: paste that file, ifconfig, route -n, the tests you've made (ping etc.). did you restart your networking? |
| 19:54.37 | Nyle | hi |
| 19:54.46 | peppe | pi3: also, what is your network configuration? |
| 19:54.55 | pi3 | I did ifup -a as dpkg told me |
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| 19:55.01 | xingu | Jakubb: what does file /usr/lib/libnetfilter_queue.so.1 say? |
| 19:55.12 | pi3 | is that enough? |
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| 19:55.34 | pumpkin0 | pi3: does ifconfig show a vaild IP ? |
| 19:55.34 | peppe | pi3: 1) which is your network configuration? 2) do what I said |
| 19:55.58 | grulll | Hi, I have done a fresh install of debian etch but it hangs on Begin: Waiting for root file system... ... |
| 19:56.31 | pi3 | pumpkin0: yes, 192.168.1.100 and I can ping that ip and localhost but I can't ping either the gateway or any other host in the net |
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| 19:57.13 | pumpkin0 | pi3: and that IP comes from the dhcp-server or did you put it in there ? |
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| 19:57.32 | pi3 | peppe: I'll have to copy manually everything as I'm in another box |
| 19:58.03 | pi3 | pumpink0: from the dhcp-server |
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| 19:58.30 | pumpkin0 | pi3: does that DHCP-server work for other clients ? |
| 19:58.32 | peppe | pi3: ifconfig >> file , route -n >> file , cat /etc/network/interfaces >> file, ping .. >> file, then copy that file on an usb flash :) |
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| 19:59.14 | pi3 | pumpkin0: yes, for this fedora 8 |
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| 19:59.50 | pi3 | peppe: the package route is not installed |
| 20:00.21 | pumpkin0 | pi3: ok, do "ifconfig eth<whatever-you-have> down" and then a "/etc/init.d/networking restart". |
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| 20:01.18 | peppe | pi3: almost impossbile since it is in the same package of ifconfig |
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| 20:02.14 | pi3 | peppe: well I'm in the small possible probability then :( |
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| 20:03.09 | peppe | pi3: /sbin/route |
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| 20:03.23 | ForgeAus | how do I manually install a .deb? |
| 20:03.32 | pi3 | pumpkin0: now I don't get a IP; restarting the networking says No DHCPOFFERS received after some seconds trying |
| 20:03.33 | peppe | ForgeAus: dpkg -i, come on, google it! |
| 20:03.38 | drwahl | ForgeAus: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 20:03.38 | LSAd | my raid-1 is not mirroring, md0 is active, but last update is yesterday... any help? |
| 20:03.42 | ForgeAus | without dpkg? |
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| 20:03.54 | peppe | ForgeAus: why do you want to do that without dpkg? |
| 20:04.13 | pumpkin0 | pi3: how many ethX do you have ? |
| 20:04.15 | ForgeAus | hehe I have apt and a few things but dpkg isn't working |
| 20:04.28 | ForgeAus | it downloads the packages just doesn't install them |
| 20:04.30 | pi3 | peppe: /sbin/route -n returns no rows |
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| 20:04.53 | Gyde | I just had to restart, the usb hdd is mount, but when I click it it says: <dpkg> wols wants you to know: Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". |
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| 20:04.58 | Gyde | dooh |
| 20:04.58 | pi3 | pumpkin0: one, eth0 |
| 20:05.02 | Gyde | wrong paste |
| 20:05.10 | nios | how can i change back to normal firefox from icedove? |
| 20:05.20 | ForgeAus | the command dpkg works it just doesn't complete the installation |
| 20:05.23 | peppe | pi3: don't you have a floppy, an usb disk, something to exchange data with the world? |
| 20:05.27 | dondelelcaro | nios: there's really no difference. |
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| 20:05.33 | Guerin | ForgeAus: you're not doing it right |
| 20:05.37 | dondelelcaro | nios: and it's iceweasel, actually. |
| 20:05.41 | peppe | ForgeAus: saying what? what are you doing? |
| 20:05.50 | dondelelcaro | icedove is the thunderbird rename |
| 20:05.55 | Gyde | trying again-- |
| 20:06.10 | pumpkin0 | pi3: OK, now we need the /etc/networking/interface file to debug. whatever you did to that file, it was not funny. |
| 20:06.11 | nios | hehe |
| 20:06.17 | nios | i prefer firefox and thunderbird |
| 20:06.26 | mid5 | Hi, anyone know how to write a route permanently, because if I use route command, when i restart the network service or restart my computer the route is lost |
| 20:06.28 | nios | so how can i get back it? |
| 20:06.30 | peppe | nios: they are the *same*, just with a different name and icon |
| 20:06.35 | Gyde | this is the error I get then I when click the mount: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 |
| 20:06.37 | ForgeAus | for example dpkg -i nano_2.0.6-2+1interix.1_interix-i386.deb gives me errors like saying stuff isn't found in PATH |
| 20:06.50 | Guerin | nios: are you also one of these people who buys products on the strength of the packaging? |
| 20:06.58 | dondelelcaro | nios: The only real difference is the name. That's it. If you don't believe me, you can look at the diff.gz |
| 20:07.02 | ForgeAus | I'm a little cagy about overwriting stuff too |
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| 20:07.10 | peppe | ForgeAus: as root, of course |
| 20:07.19 | nios | i beleive you guys |
| 20:07.22 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I don't know, you can use build some useful stuff with strong packaging... |
| 20:07.27 | pi3 | pumpkin0: heh, I did nothing but adding "auto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 20:07.27 | ForgeAus | yeah well I don't even have sudo yet |
| 20:07.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:07.35 | ForgeAus | but bash installed with the debootstrap |
| 20:07.42 | ForgeAus | (that one I'm happy about) |
| 20:07.45 | nios | but i prefer firefox |
| 20:07.47 | mid5 | pumpkin0, Ok, thanks you, I'll do |
| 20:07.49 | peppe | ForgeAus: and no root account? |
| 20:07.53 | nios | with original icon |
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| 20:08.05 | dondelelcaro | nios: so call it firefox. If you want it, we don't support it here. |
| 20:08.08 | pumpkin0 | pi3: well, you removed lo (local loopback) if route -n shows nothing at all... |
| 20:08.08 | ForgeAus | um.. not sure how do I find out if theres a root account? |
| 20:08.18 | peppe | nios: "original icon" that is not free. so donwload it from mozilla site and be happy |
| 20:08.22 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: there's always a root account. However, by default with debootstrap, it's not given a password. |
| 20:08.40 | peppe | pumpkin0: route does not show the loopback route |
| 20:08.46 | ForgeAus | doesn't root have a /root folder? |
| 20:08.54 | LSAd | can anyone helpme with mdadm? |
| 20:08.59 | pi3 | pumpkin0: I didn't, I'm seeing the interfaces file |
| 20:09.02 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: yes, and one is created. |
| 20:09.03 | ForgeAus | there isn't one here |
| 20:09.12 | jetscreamer | su |
| 20:09.16 | jetscreamer | then change the pw |
| 20:09.19 | ForgeAus | yeah I am su |
| 20:09.30 | g0rAngA | LSAd what do you need help with, specifically? |
| 20:09.34 | ajavid | hi |
| 20:09.45 | jetscreamer | then log in |
| 20:09.52 | ForgeAus | I'm already logged in |
| 20:09.54 | chops | !tell LSAd about anyone |
| 20:09.58 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: then change the password; if you've chrooted into the debootstrap'ed partition, then /root should exist, as base-files installs it. |
| 20:10.12 | ForgeAus | no /root |
| 20:10.16 | jetscreamer | ForgeAus: i mean su, change root's pw, then feel free to login as root whenever you want |
| 20:10.25 | pi3 | pumpkin0: /etc/network/interfaces is as follows: auto lo\n iface lo inet loopback\n auto eht0\n iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:10.44 | ForgeAus | root already has a pass and I can use su to log in and exit from su access anytime I want |
| 20:10.51 | ForgeAus | (although I prefer sudo) |
| 20:10.56 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: how did you debootstrap? Did you chroot into the debootstraped partition that you created? |
| 20:11.07 | jetscreamer | ForgeAus: i thought you said there was no root. ok nm. |
| 20:11.09 | ForgeAus | um no |
| 20:11.12 | ForgeAus | was I supposed to chroot? |
| 20:11.19 | pumpkin0 | pi3: if that is true and you really only have 1 network-card then a /etc/init.d/networking restart has to get a IP from DHCP. |
| 20:11.21 | LSAd | g0rAngA: my raid level 1 is not mirroring |
| 20:11.25 | ForgeAus | there isn't a /root |
| 20:11.34 | ForgeAus | and I don't think theres a user called root either |
| 20:11.34 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: if you didn't chroot into the partition that you created, then you're not actually doing anything on that chroot. |
| 20:11.35 | jetscreamer | try logging in sheesh |
| 20:11.46 | ForgeAus | I didn't create a partition |
| 20:12.02 | ForgeAus | I copied the ftp files |
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| 20:12.07 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: start by answering my first question: How did you debootstrap? What are you actually doing? |
| 20:12.10 | chops | LSAd: More details, please? |
| 20:12.24 | morphiu | How to change my debian architecture? i installed i386 but i'm now running an amd64 kernel and would like to change all packages to amd64 aswell. |
| 20:12.27 | ForgeAus | thats it I copied the debootstrap stuff into /debootstrap |
| 20:12.28 | ForgeAus | and ran it |
| 20:12.34 | ForgeAus | with ./setup |
| 20:12.36 | chops | morphiu: You basically have to reinstall |
| 20:12.38 | jelly-home | morphiu: no way, you have to reinstall |
| 20:12.39 | ajavid | jetscreamer: you better run |
| 20:12.42 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: what debootstrap and what setup? |
| 20:12.46 | g0rAngA | LSAd: has it ever been working properly? did it suddenly stop mirroring? need more info |
| 20:12.51 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: debootstrap doesn't come with a setup script |
| 20:12.54 | ajavid | I just installed etch 4.0r3 |
| 20:12.55 | ForgeAus | brb finding the ftp again |
| 20:13.00 | pi3 | pumpkin0: why I would be lying; I'm just telling you what happens.. :( |
| 20:13.01 | ForgeAus | well this one did |
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| 20:13.08 | LSAd | chops: /dev/md0 is active, the array is started, but last update is yesterday |
| 20:13.20 | morphiu | chops & jelly-home okay thanks :) would you recommend it, or are there many packages missing for amd64? will it be a performance improvement? |
| 20:13.24 | jetscreamer | you sure it wasn't debtakeover? |
| 20:13.28 | ForgeAus | from here: ftp://debian-interix.net/debian-interix/install/ |
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| 20:13.51 | LSAd | chops g0rAngA : http://pastebin.ca/910183 |
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| 20:13.54 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: uh... that's not Debian. That's some random interix thing |
| 20:14.09 | Bubbletoes | how do i add a user WITH a hoem directory? i cant figure this out |
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| 20:14.11 | chops | morphiu: It should be a performance improvement, it'll be especially good if you have big-memory-footprint applications (>=2-3 gigs). It will be some amount of PITA; if you don't have a particular need for amd64, it's probably better to stick with 32-bit. |
| 20:14.12 | ForgeAus | its not random and it is mostly an apt-get package management system |
| 20:14.16 | chops | Bubbletoes: adduser |
| 20:14.17 | ForgeAus | for interix |
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| 20:14.32 | chops | LSAd: What's /proc/mdstat say? |
| 20:14.43 | LSAd | chops: a second please |
| 20:14.45 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: yes, for interix. This is #debian, not interix. |
| 20:14.52 | ForgeAus | there is no #interix |
| 20:15.09 | dondelelcaro | ForgeAus: well, then you'll have to contact them for support. We don't support things which are not Debian here. |
| 20:15.11 | pumpkin0 | ForgeAus: You are asking a ford-dealer to fix a opel car ... |
| 20:15.22 | LSAd | chops: same url updated |
| 20:15.34 | ForgeAus | hmmm distro's distro's distro's I use kubuntu |
| 20:15.35 | morphiu | chops the machine has 4 gb ram and a 3.5 tb luks-encrypted soft raid 5 and shall mainly serve files - so would amd64 make sense? |
| 20:15.52 | Guerin | !lose ForgeAus |
| 20:15.52 | dpkg | ForgeAus: You Lose. |
| 20:16.02 | ForgeAus | lol |
| 20:16.02 | themill | ForgeAus: no it's not. And we don't support kubuntu here either. |
| 20:16.10 | chops | morphiu: As long as you use a bigmem or amd64 kernel, you should be fine with 32-bit. |
| 20:16.11 | ForgeAus | I don't need any help with kubuntu |
| 20:16.16 | ForgeAus | but thats debian-based |
| 20:16.19 | pumpkin0 | ForgeAus: so ? ubuntu has about 10% orignal Debian and edited almost every critical script in /etc. |
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| 20:16.37 | dondelelcaro | in any event, it's not on topic here; moving on. |
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| 20:16.49 | chops | LSAd: When was the last time data was written to the array? |
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| 20:17.09 | chops | LSAd: Also, I don't see the /proc/mdstat contents at that same URL... |
| 20:17.35 | LSAd | chops: only when i created the array, the discs sync and after that never updates |
| 20:17.42 | morphiu | okay thank you chops, i'll continue to use 32bit then :) |
| 20:17.48 | chops | morphiu: np |
| 20:17.55 | jetscreamer | i'm not trying to get in the middle but i don't think he deserved a ban, unless he kept doing what he was asked not to (i wasn't paying attention) |
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| 20:18.42 | LSAd | chops: http://pastebin.ca/910191 |
| 20:18.42 | Linuturk | I've installed apache mysql-server php5 php5-mysql ; and I see apache2, but apache is loading instead of apache2 . . . |
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| 20:19.12 | chops | LSAd: What I mean is, are you writing any data to the array? It's possible that the update time only gets changed when data is actually written (I'm not sure how it works). Anyway, it looks to me like it's doing fine... if you write data to the array, does the time change? Do both HD lights come on? |
| 20:19.30 | g0rAngA | LSAd it looks normal to me. how do you know its not syncing up? |
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| 20:20.43 | LSAd | g0rAngA: beacause i move some files on hde and is not moved on hdg |
| 20:21.01 | pumpkin0 | LSAd: how did you check ? |
| 20:21.09 | chops | LSAd: ... |
| 20:21.40 | LSAd | pumpkin0: i mount hdg and check files |
| 20:21.44 | chops | LSAd: You should not use hde and hdg directly once you've set up RAID. |
| 20:22.09 | ajavid | jetscreamer: ping |
| 20:22.11 | chops | LSAd: You should use /dev/md0 instead. If you write directly to /dev/hde, it won't automatically sync things to /dev/hdg. You should probably remake your RAID array. |
| 20:22.14 | LSAd | chops: hde is my root partition, cant i mirror my root disco? |
| 20:22.29 | g0rAngA | LSAd: a nice way to make absolutely sure that its all working is to simulate disk failure on one of the disks |
| 20:22.35 | chops | LSAd: You can mirror your root partition, but not like that. |
| 20:22.54 | pumpkin0 | LSAd: i think you should backup everything onto WORM media now. NOW, w/o restarting first. |
| 20:23.06 | Linuturk | where would I setup apache2 to load instead of apache ? |
| 20:23.06 | chops | LSAd: Once you've created the RAID array, you must access it only via the RAID device (e.g. /dev/md0), and _never_ by the individual disks (e.g. /dev/hde, /dev/hdg). |
| 20:23.15 | chops | LSAd: Do you have a backup? |
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| 20:23.26 | LSAd | chops: ok, i see i need to read some more |
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| 20:23.32 | LSAd | chops: yes, i have it |
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| 20:23.56 | chops | LSAd: I'd recommend to recreate the RAID array, restore your root partition from backup, and start booting from /dev/md0 instead of /dev/hde |
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| 20:24.32 | chops | Linuturk: Configure apache not to boot, and apache2 to boot. The easiest way to do that is to uninstall apache :-) |
| 20:24.43 | LSAd | chops: will grub can boot from /dev/md0? |
| 20:24.45 | ultratotor | hello |
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| 20:24.57 | chops | Linuturk: I think there's something in /etc/default that allows you to have apache installed but not started on boot, also |
| 20:25.06 | pumpkin0 | LSAd: yes. |
| 20:25.16 | Linuturk | chops: well, the debian wiki says to install the apache package for a Lamp stack. I guess the apache package pulls both? |
| 20:25.28 | pi3 | pumpkin0: I figured out the problem :) |
| 20:25.33 | chops | Linuturk: The apache package is for apache 1.3, the apache2 package is for apache 2.x |
| 20:25.39 | pumpkin0 | pi3: loose cable ? |
| 20:25.41 | chops | Linuturk: Which page is that? It might be out of date. |
| 20:25.43 | Linuturk | chops: there is an apache2 file in /etc/default that lets you stop apache2 from starting |
| 20:25.57 | Linuturk | I just searched for Lamp chops |
| 20:26.18 | chops | Linuturk: Do you still have the page URL around? |
| 20:26.18 | Linuturk | lol |
| 20:26.35 | chops | Linuturk: ? |
| 20:26.38 | Linuturk | http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp << chops |
| 20:26.44 | pi3 | pumpkin0: hardware issue but not my fault, I guess this is a bug: debian used the IEEE 1394 (FireWire) card as if it was a NIC |
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| 20:26.58 | LSAd | pumpkin0: its necessary to receate my array ? |
| 20:27.07 | pi3 | pumpkin0: so I'm reinstalling using the actual NIC that is a Realtek blah blah |
| 20:27.10 | chops | LSAd: Yes, absolutely. |
| 20:27.13 | pumpkin0 | pi3: it is a NIC. firewire makes a very find network. |
| 20:27.16 | Linuturk | so, remove the apache package chops ? |
| 20:27.21 | pumpkin0 | LSAd: YES. |
| 20:27.42 | pumpkin0 | LSAd: your system will not surviv the next reboot. Thats why i asked for backups right now. |
| 20:27.48 | Linuturk | chops: it seems that removing apache will also remove apache-common |
| 20:27.53 | pi3 | pumpkin0: well but whatever it is, it was not usable |
| 20:27.56 | chops | Linuturk: Yes, this page is out of date. You should install apache2 instead. |
| 20:28.10 | pumpkin0 | pi3: you need to connect somthing to it. |
| 20:28.16 | LSAd | pumpkin0: what should i change in my grub conf? |
| 20:29.03 | pumpkin0 | LSAd: restart from scratch. Afterwards you can worry about grub. (and the tutorials have example grub-configs) |
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| 20:29.29 | pi3 | pumpkin0: don't you think debian should not default the NIC to a FireWire card if you already have a NIC that has no other function? |
| 20:30.12 | LSAd | pumpkin0: |
| 20:30.15 | LSAd | g0rAngA: |
| 20:30.18 | LSAd | chops: |
| 20:30.18 | Linuturk | thanks chops |
| 20:30.22 | LSAd | thankz all |
| 20:30.23 | chops | Linuturk: np |
| 20:30.27 | chops | LSAd: np |
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| 20:30.35 | pumpkin0 | pi3: it does not default to a NIC. It lists them all and gives them numbers, starting at the first available NIC. The firewire module got loaded first so it won and got eth0... and so on. |
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| 20:31.29 | Linuturk | what's the best way to keep a server up to date besides logging in everyday and aptitude update && aptitude upgrade? |
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| 20:32.18 | jelly-home | Linuturk: keep the ssh session open, duh! |
| 20:32.26 | pumpkin0 | Linuturk: having a cron-script that does aptitude,... |
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| 20:32.33 | drwahl | Linuturk: i would imagine having a cron script to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade would do the trick |
| 20:32.39 | chops | Linuturk: Don't do the cron script |
| 20:32.41 | drwahl | pumpkin0: beat me to it :) |
| 20:32.48 | g0rAngA | in a semi-related matter (to RAID), a few of you may remember a week or so ago I asked for help about slow writes to a RAID5. we never did figure it out. it turns out it was a dead/dying disk that wasn't detected as dead yet. a few days later, it died and I went "now it all makes sense" |
| 20:32.48 | pols33 | Jacson sees the reaper! |
| 20:33.01 | chops | Linuturk: Is it that much a hardship? Subscribe to debian-security-announce and do updates once a week or so |
| 20:33.04 | jelly-home | I would imaging a cron script that did upgrades would make a system fragile |
| 20:33.10 | chops | Linuturk: Setting it to go automatically is a bad idea |
| 20:33.20 | ajavid | jetscreamer: ping |
| 20:33.24 | ben_goodger | hello |
| 20:33.33 | Linuturk | ok, that' sounds reasonable I guess chops. What would I do if I had 100's of servers to do like that though? |
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| 20:33.59 | chops | Linuturk: There's a utility that lets you batch-issue commands on several servers over ssh IIRC |
| 20:34.22 | ben_goodger | my tetex is quite badly wrong. babel [which I'm not using] is complaing that I haven't defined the language "swedish" yet [which is correct but irrelevant, as I'm not using swedish]; the default in language.dat is english |
| 20:34.23 | chops | Linuturk: The issue is that you really should be around to answer questions from debconf and watch for errors |
| 20:34.37 | ben_goodger | can anyone offer a solution to suppress these errors at least? |
| 20:34.51 | Linuturk | chops: ok, that's a good point. Thanks :) |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | g0rAngA: those things should just have a dead/alive switch .. that mushy bit in the middle isn't any good :) |
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| 20:36.23 | Justin | Linuturk: if you know the upgrade is going to ask you a question you can pre-answer it using debconf |
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| 20:37.06 | Linuturk | Justin: thanks :) you know, that's actually my name (Justin) |
| 20:37.15 | denken | mine too |
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| 20:39.11 | chops | Linuturk: As for what people who actually run hundreds of Debian servers in production do, I have no idea :-) |
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| 20:39.39 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 20:41.36 | Magnetophon | Hello. Can you install any package in /usr/local without disurbing the distro at all? |
| 20:41.46 | abrotman | checkinstall or stow |
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| 20:42.00 | ajavid | jetscreamer: ping |
| 20:42.13 | bony | how to create am .img file of a cd image so that i can write this image to a usb stick and boot form it? |
| 20:42.24 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 20:42.27 | ajavid | hi |
| 20:42.30 | ajavid | jetscreamer: how are you? |
| 20:42.42 | jetscreamer | same as last time? |
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| 20:42.47 | ajavid | jetscreamer: thats great |
| 20:42.51 | jetscreamer | !wb dererk |
| 20:42.51 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dererk has returned! |
| 20:43.02 | Rat409 | lol |
| 20:43.10 | ajavid | jetscreamer: you doin ok? |
| 20:43.17 | jetscreamer | yes Magnetophon |
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| 20:43.33 | jetscreamer | yes ajavid, tryig to do stuff.. wassup? |
| 20:43.34 | abrotman | bony: mount it and copy it off ? |
| 20:43.42 | ajavid | jetscreamer: not much, wassup wid u |
| 20:44.00 | jetscreamer | work... kinda. |
| 20:44.02 | ajavid | jetscreamer: using my brother's nickname, don't want to disturb Nyle |
| 20:44.13 | ajavid | I keep having to ghost/identify |
| 20:44.18 | jetscreamer | i was going to ask if you were nyle |
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| 20:44.21 | ajavid | yes |
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| 20:44.27 | jetscreamer | but i saw Nyle_ so i didn't |
| 20:44.36 | ajavid | oh its not tailed_ |
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| 20:44.38 | hetOrakel | hi, how can i show the firmware of my dvd-burner |
| 20:44.45 | ajavid | now* |
| 20:44.55 | jetscreamer | you don't feel like nyle |
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| 20:45.16 | jetscreamer | just forget all the jokes about that btw :p |
| 20:45.22 | bony | abrotman, well right now i have an cd iso image of 600+mb now i want to make this iso file to .img file so that i can write it to usb and make the usb as a install usb. will zcat .iso > /dev/sda work? |
| 20:45.33 | ajavid | jetscreamer: should I swear profusely and/or toke? |
| 20:45.34 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 20:45.36 | ajavid | would that help? |
| 20:45.48 | ajavid | img of a cd iso? |
| 20:45.53 | jetscreamer | you just burn the .iso to cd |
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| 20:45.57 | jetscreamer | or dvd |
| 20:46.01 | abrotman | bony: an ISO isn't a zipped archive |
| 20:46.11 | dererk | jetscreamer, thanks :) |
| 20:46.11 | jetscreamer | or extract it to usb stick |
| 20:46.20 | ajavid | wouldn't you just put the iso on a usb stick, along wise grub (to make usb bootable) and then take the initrd/kernel from the cd iso and put it in / |
| 20:46.20 | jetscreamer | then make the stick bootable |
| 20:46.24 | ajavid | that could work |
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| 20:46.35 | ajavid | thats how knoppix works |
| 20:46.40 | ajavid | anyway |
| 20:46.46 | jetscreamer | !grub stick |
| 20:46.50 | Justin | ajavid: knoppix has a special initrd that checks for that |
| 20:46.55 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 20:46.56 | ajavid | Justin: I was about to say that |
| 20:47.01 | jetscreamer | tehre's a memstick howto |
| 20:47.09 | ajavid | it has a certain boot param |
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| 20:47.14 | jetscreamer | ahhh isn't there a usb stick image? |
| 20:47.18 | ajavid | yes |
| 20:47.28 | Justin | there is, but is is only 20M or so, it doesn't have all the debs |
| 20:47.38 | ajavid | hmm |
| 20:47.43 | ajavid | to install debian? |
| 20:47.43 | Justin | there is a script in ubuntu or fedora that turns the install cd into a usb disk image |
| 20:47.47 | ajavid | its in the install guide |
| 20:47.47 | bony | how to make the usb bootable with grub? is it there in wiki.debian if so i will just go throught it. i tried a lot with the documentation that is avialable in debian.org doc usb section |
| 20:47.49 | jetscreamer | burn the .sio to hd and use it as medium.. boot the stick with the stick image |
| 20:47.51 | jetscreamer | .iso |
| 20:47.57 | Justin | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick |
| 20:48.00 | ajavid | bony: the debian instal guide shows how ot make a bootable usb |
| 20:48.02 | jetscreamer | tell the stick's installer to use the .iso |
| 20:48.08 | ajavid | wow |
| 20:48.10 | Justin | mentions the 'isotostick.sh' script, that is probably what you want |
| 20:48.20 | ajavid | we're referring people to ubuntu docs |
| 20:48.23 | ajavid | wow |
| 20:48.30 | jetscreamer | we? |
| 20:48.31 | Justin | lol |
| 20:48.33 | ajavid | I never thought I'd see that |
| 20:48.36 | ajavid | damn, man, wow |
| 20:48.37 | hetOrakel | any hardware expert insinde? |
| 20:48.42 | ajavid | hetOrakel: ##hardware |
| 20:48.47 | jetscreamer | #hardware may... |
| 20:48.49 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 20:48.55 | ajavid | I'm an export |
| 20:48.59 | ajavid | in ##hardware ;) |
| 20:49.14 | ajavid | (yes i meant export) |
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| 20:49.26 | dondelelcaro | Justin: the install guide explains how to use a usb stick. |
| 20:49.32 | jetscreamer | so you're the cut down approved for export version of the real thing? |
| 20:49.40 | ajavid | lol |
| 20:49.43 | ajavid | yeh bro |
| 20:49.45 | dondelelcaro | Justin: it's as simple as formating, droping in the image, running syslinks, and droping in a .iso. |
| 20:49.55 | Justin | dondelelcaro: oh, it supports that now? cool :) |
| 20:50.04 | ajavid | Justin: yes, I said that as well |
| 20:50.09 | dondelelcaro | Justin: it's supported it since woody. How do you think ubuntu supports it? ;-) |
| 20:50.11 | jetscreamer | thank god for goodbye-windows.com |
| 20:50.14 | Justin | dondelelcaro: I've installed from usb all the time, but I have a local mirror :) |
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| 20:50.18 | ajavid | Justin: in fact I found out myself while trying to get amd64 on this box via usb |
| 20:50.19 | jetscreamer | need a dos version.. j:) |
| 20:50.32 | ajavid | unfortunately, my damn usb key is not bootable, or my bios sucks a fat one |
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| 20:50.46 | bony | well its all confusing to me i will just go throught on how to make the usb bootable with grub and then extract initramfs and vmlinuz of the cd iso cpy them to the pen drive cpy the cd iso too and check. |
| 20:50.47 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: generally it's the bios |
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| 20:50.50 | ajavid | apparantly I have usbhdd, usbfloppy, usbcdrom and usbzip options in the bios |
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| 20:50.55 | jetscreamer | could be the bios, but i think smartbootmanager could boot it for you |
| 20:51.04 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: usbhdd is what you want, usually. |
| 20:51.06 | jetscreamer | should work then |
| 20:51.08 | ajavid | dondelelcaro: still.. no boot, bios supports it, other GA 965P S3 users with latest bios also get the same result |
| 20:51.25 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: does it try to boot at all? |
| 20:51.26 | ajavid | dondelelcaro: I tried them all, no dice. Other users of the motherboard also have the same problem |
| 20:51.31 | ajavid | dondelelcaro: not at all |
| 20:51.37 | Justin | oh anyway |
| 20:51.37 | ajavid | its like usb doesn' even exist |
| 20:51.39 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: buggy bios then, most likely. |
| 20:51.45 | ajavid | dondelelcaro: definitely |
| 20:51.50 | Justin | bony: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 20:51.52 | ajavid | I tried f13, latest bios for it, still nothing |
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| 20:52.06 | ajavid | I just debootstrapped from ubuntu amd64 live cd |
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| 20:52.20 | bony | Justin, yes i went through this section |
| 20:52.37 | Justin | bony: ok... what's the problem then? |
| 20:52.49 | ajavid | I gotta learn exchange server for work |
| 20:52.54 | dondelelcaro | bony: you don't zcat the iso to the usb key. You put the iso on the fat32 filesystem on the usb key. |
| 20:52.56 | ajavid | ahh boy what a treat |
| 20:53.13 | ajavid | zcat doesn't automatically create the vfat |
| 20:53.13 | ajavid | ? |
| 20:53.16 | dondelelcaro | bony: the install guide explains this bit if you read it carefully. |
| 20:53.16 | jetscreamer | him say you just copy the .iso |
| 20:53.19 | ajavid | if you zcat the img? |
| 20:53.28 | ajavid | I dunno that right |
| 20:53.37 | ajavid | i just followed the install guide and 100% success |
| 20:53.38 | Justin | ajavid: it does, if you zcat the boot image instead of the iso |
| 20:53.40 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: the .img creates it if you've got the right size, but then you have to mount it and stick the iso you want on it. |
| 20:53.42 | jetscreamer | you think it's vfat in there, ajavid ? |
| 20:53.55 | ajavid | Justin: dondelelcaro: ahh yes now i remember |
| 20:54.01 | jetscreamer | nm i'm stupid |
| 20:54.03 | bony | the problem is that when i follow the easy way and zcat the boot.img.gz file every thing works good but my 4G pen drive comes down to 250M |
| 20:54.09 | jetscreamer | must be this windows i'm running |
| 20:54.12 | bony | so i am unable to copy the iso |
| 20:54.12 | ajavid | jetscreamer: have you had to budd today? |
| 20:54.20 | ajavid | had your* |
| 20:54.25 | jetscreamer | no notyet |
| 20:54.27 | dondelelcaro | bony: right, that's because it's a 250M image. Use the manual instructions that call for you to make the filesystem and run syslinux. |
| 20:54.33 | ajavid | thats probably why, you need fuel |
| 20:54.42 | ajavid | I get to go home in 1 hour, plus 1 hour drive in traffic |
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| 20:55.04 | jetscreamer | ajavid: pm my as nyle for some reading material on your studies |
| 20:55.09 | jetscreamer | s/my/me |
| 20:55.12 | jetscreamer | / |
| 20:55.14 | ajavid | jetscreamer: when i get home |
| 20:55.16 | ajavid | ok |
| 20:55.24 | bony | dondelelcaro, ok i will check it out |
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| 20:55.41 | ajavid | jetscreamer: i was busing warezing ebooks on mininova regarding IIS and exchange |
| 20:55.47 | jetscreamer | i have about a gig in zip, 3g unzipped |
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| 20:55.50 | ajavid | oh |
| 20:55.53 | ajavid | did i say that out loud |
| 20:55.54 | ajavid | :D |
| 20:55.55 | nios | can anyone please help me with this apt-get instlal error -> http://pastebin.com/m1b11ee1a |
| 20:56.01 | nios | glibc and stuff |
| 20:56.11 | ajavid | i can take a look |
| 20:56.31 | ajavid | sorry dunno |
| 20:56.34 | cafuego | Yes, you broke etch with a non-etch sources.list entry |
| 20:56.37 | dondelelcaro | nios: you appear to be upgrading to unstable or testing, but have only half way gone there. |
| 20:56.49 | bony | i get an error saying the version of the iso and the running one don't match |
| 20:56.54 | ajavid | s/can/can't |
| 20:57.02 | jetscreamer | nios: did you run apt-get -f install as it says? |
| 20:57.07 | dondelelcaro | bony: what image and what iso are you sticking on the system? |
| 20:57.11 | nios | jetscreamer: yes |
| 20:57.11 | jetscreamer | if that doesn't/didn't work i know what will |
| 20:57.20 | cafuego | nios: Did you *want* to update to testing or unstable? |
| 20:57.20 | jetscreamer | !tell nios -about fix-unmet |
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| 20:57.36 | chops | nios: Can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of 'apt-cache policy libc6'? |
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| 20:58.03 | peppe | apt-get dist-upgrade says "After unpacking 191MB of additional disk space will be used.". how can I find which packages are going to use that space? i.e. for each upgraded package, its size before and after the upgrade? |
| 20:58.07 | bony | dondelelcaro, i followed the daily mirror of cdimage.debian.org and http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/ |
| 20:58.41 | chops | peppe: 'apt-cache show' shows unpacked disk size, I believe |
| 20:58.48 | nios | deb http://ftp.port80.se/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:58.50 | dondelelcaro | bony: the precise urls are needed if I'm to see what's going on |
| 20:58.53 | nios | deb-src http://ftp.port80.se/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:58.57 | bony | dondelelcaro, i mean i got the boot.img from people... and netinst.iso from cdimage |
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| 20:59.02 | cafuego | !paste |
| 20:59.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:59.02 | chops | !tell nios about pastebin |
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| 20:59.08 | jetscreamer | anybody who doesn't love me either doesn't know me very well or has extremely bad taste in people... |
| 20:59.16 | nios | 2 lines guys :p |
| 20:59.16 | dondelelcaro | bony: which boot.img from joeyh, which netinst.iso from cdimage? |
| 20:59.19 | chops | nios: Are you intending to run stable, or unstable? |
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| 20:59.29 | nios | i want to run unstable |
| 20:59.31 | cafuego | nios: Ok, so if you want to upgrade to unstable, you need to run 'sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' first. |
| 20:59.36 | chops | nios: It's still more polite (and easier for us to read) if it goes in a pastebin |
| 20:59.36 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: you've removed the brain/keyboard filter |
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| 20:59.39 | synic | how do I exclude dm_mod from my initrd with initramfs.conf? |
| 20:59.39 | jetscreamer | nios: i suggest testing first |
| 20:59.50 | jetscreamer | nios: i strongly suggest testing first |
| 20:59.52 | cafuego | nios: However, do keep in mind these kinds of problems can occur in unstable, so you'll bneed to be able to fix them. |
| 21:00.04 | nios | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:00.06 | nios | didnt work |
| 21:00.10 | jetscreamer | nios: i extremely strongly suggest testing first |
| 21:00.14 | chops | !wtem |
| 21:00.14 | dpkg | What's the error message? |
| 21:00.16 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 21:00.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:00.18 | nios | sec |
| 21:00.32 | jetscreamer | nios: try the fix-unmet instructions that dpkg told you in that other windows |
| 21:00.35 | jetscreamer | window |
| 21:00.39 | AreidY | Hi... I want to install GPAC 0.4.4. but i am getting a lot of cross references. How can i deal with them?! http://pastebin.com/m432d9a60 and next http://pastebin.com/m60fdd466 |
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| 21:01.06 | nios | http://pastebin.com/m8839c50 |
| 21:01.26 | chops | AreidY: (a) use LANG=C so people can understand the error messages (b) use apt instead of 'dpkg -i', that's what it's for. |
| 21:01.35 | jetscreamer | and hurry up so you can get on with your life |
| 21:01.45 | chops | nios: Welcome to unstable :-) |
| 21:01.50 | AreidY | chops: apt wont find gpac |
| 21:01.54 | chops | nios: I recommend running testing for a while first |
| 21:02.10 | chops | AreidY: Where'd you get the package? |
| 21:02.10 | nios | i want my apt-get to work |
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| 21:02.23 | bony | dondelelcaro, i am sorry these are the urls. http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ > boot.img.gz. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/lenny_d-i/current/i386/iso-cd/ > netinst.iso |
| 21:02.26 | jetscreamer | nios: try what i said and it will |
| 21:02.43 | chops | nios: apt-get works, just unstable is in a state such that things are broken right now. Try what jetscreamer advised, or switch to testing, or wait a few days for unstable to unwedge itself. |
| 21:03.10 | jetscreamer | i didn't notice much being broken in sid atm |
| 21:03.18 | jetscreamer | i could be totally wrong of course |
| 21:03.42 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 21:03.42 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 21:03.54 | chops | jetscreamer: I thought that problems like the one he quoted were due to packages' dependencies having not yet migrated into unstable... no? |
| 21:04.00 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 21:04.09 | Rat409 | me either,full sid here;other than k3b still has issues |
| 21:04.10 | chops | jetscreamer: He's not going to be able to upgrade only selected packages, since he's currently on stable for some things |
| 21:04.18 | dondelelcaro | bony: and what's the md5sum of the cdimage? |
| 21:04.24 | nios | you guys doesnt use unstable ? |
| 21:04.28 | chops | nios: I use unstable |
| 21:04.32 | jetscreamer | my factoid will take care of that leftover etch :o |
| 21:04.51 | ajavid | your factoid? |
| 21:04.52 | dondelelcaro | nios: a lot of us use unstable, but you'll notice that most of the people here who do don't ask many questions |
| 21:04.59 | jetscreamer | yes, MINE |
| 21:05.03 | ajavid | so /msg dpkg jetscreamer |
| 21:05.04 | ajavid | :) |
| 21:05.09 | jetscreamer | !factinfo fix-unmet |
| 21:05.10 | dpkg | fix-unmet -- last modified at Sun Apr 22 09:08:31 2007 by jetscreamer!n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer; it has been requested 31 times, last by jetscreamer, 1m 27s ago. |
| 21:05.12 | bony | dondelelcaro, this is the md5 of the iso image 4de9cf5f6d5fc44a188ac4e2664feab2 |
| 21:05.39 | dondelelcaro | bony: yeah, that's today. I'd check the wiki of debian-boot then to see if there's a known issue |
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| 21:06.02 | chops | jetscreamer: Re: your factoid... isn't aptitude supposed to be able to resolve those situation without involving dselect nowadays? |
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| 21:06.12 | jetscreamer | btw thanks you for dpkg dondelelcaro |
| 21:06.16 | bony | dondelelcaro, ok mean while i will give another try |
| 21:06.19 | chops | jetscreamer: (Unless someone's in a situation where upgrade is temporarily impossible, like nios) |
| 21:06.27 | dondelelcaro | bony: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 21:06.27 | bony | dondelelcaro, thanks for help |
| 21:06.30 | TurboBee | is there a way for someone to be using an ip address on their server, but have it not show up in ifconfig? I have a customer whose server is using a certain ip but when i check ifconfig it only reports the other ip addresses |
| 21:06.43 | dondelelcaro | bony: you'll probably have best luck with the etch images, unless there's some reason why your hardware won't boot with that kernel |
| 21:06.51 | jetscreamer | chops: i tested it previously. a while ago. aptitude and apt-get -f didn't. mine did. work that is. |
| 21:06.55 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: run ip addr; |
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| 21:07.02 | jetscreamer | Guerin was a witness, but doesn't remember |
| 21:07.03 | chops | jetscreamer: Odd |
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| 21:07.25 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: ifconfig may miss things if you're running weird configurations. |
| 21:07.29 | jetscreamer | but like i said, a while ago.. maybe they fixed aptitude to be as good as dselect |
| 21:07.39 | jetscreamer | nios: did you try that? |
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| 21:07.41 | TurboBee | dondelelcaro, run ip addr? what do you mean |
| 21:07.43 | TurboBee | poh |
| 21:07.50 | jetscreamer | nios: or are you still trying other stuff |
| 21:07.54 | Bubbletoes | is there a way to list which packages i have installed with apt-get? |
| 21:07.59 | nios | im reinstalling |
| 21:08.00 | bony | dondelelcaro, after give this trial i will get back to the room |
| 21:08.00 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:08.02 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l |
| 21:08.06 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: the command 'ip' with the option 'addr'; man ip; for details |
| 21:08.09 | Bubbletoes | thx! |
| 21:08.10 | jetscreamer | nios: foo on you then |
| 21:08.13 | jetscreamer | thanks for trying |
| 21:08.15 | TurboBee | dondelelcaro, i see the ip that it is using |
| 21:08.26 | TurboBee | dondelelcaro, how do i tell it to stop using it. the ip isn't even in the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:09.03 | jetscreamer | it's all a secret plot to discredit dselect! and you're all in on it!!! |
| 21:09.04 | pols33 | SECET MAN@@ |
| 21:09.05 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: ip addr del IFADDR dev STRING |
| 21:09.14 | TurboBee | thanks |
| 21:09.16 | jetscreamer | secret plot |
| 21:09.17 | pols33 | SECET MAN@@ |
| 21:09.21 | nios | foo? |
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| 21:09.31 | jetscreamer | shame |
| 21:09.35 | nios | hehe k |
| 21:09.53 | Bubbletoes | how do you pipe something through a text editor when the output is too large to see in the terminal? |
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| 21:10.11 | dondelelcaro | Bubbletoes: you mean like cat foo |less? |
| 21:10.15 | jetscreamer | Bubbletoes: you mean like ls / |less? |
| 21:10.19 | jetscreamer | oops too slow |
| 21:10.24 | dondelelcaro | Bubbletoes: usually you use a pager, not a text editor |
| 21:10.25 | chops | jetscreamer: I still love dselect for anything where the ncurses interface is required... aptitude's has always seemed assy to me. aptitude as a replacement for apt-get has taken over most of my package management workflow, though. |
| 21:10.37 | Bubbletoes | i think, i dont know. i've never done it |
| 21:11.03 | dondelelcaro | Bubbletoes: well, try it. This is basic shell stuff though, so if it's unfamiliar, you may want to check out some of the introductory documentation. |
| 21:11.05 | TurboBee | dondelelcaro, what do i put in place of STRING |
| 21:11.07 | jetscreamer | chops: when aptitude first came into debian i tried it of course.. and then i tried it with --with-recommends --with-suggests ... i never touched it again. |
| 21:11.15 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: the name of the device |
| 21:11.17 | chops | jetscreamer: Hahaha |
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| 21:11.38 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: man ip; has the full explication. |
| 21:11.38 | TurboBee | dondelelcaro, thank you for your help, that worked :) |
| 21:11.46 | chops | jetscreamer: Yeah, I kept filing bugs about faulty Recommends: for a while. They actually got responded to pretty reliably. Then I configured it to ignore Recommends: and moved on with my life :-) |
| 21:11.57 | TurboBee | dondelelcaro, is there a config file in debian that would add those entries ? |
| 21:12.12 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: not really.. |
| 21:12.18 | TurboBee | sneaky bastards :/ |
| 21:12.24 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: it's probably got some kind of custom init script to add them or similar. |
| 21:12.28 | jetscreamer | dselect just works for me, i need nothing else. all i know. |
| 21:12.45 | dondelelcaro | you just can't drop dselect on someone who is unsuspecting |
| 21:12.50 | dondelelcaro | they'll die |
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| 21:13.00 | chops | dondelelcaro: It's almost as bad as making vi the default editor :-) |
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| 21:13.16 | jelly-home | "ed is the default editor" |
| 21:13.20 | jetscreamer | the fix-unmet factoid is pretty simple... ppl do mess it up though |
| 21:13.22 | dondelelcaro | at least vi is hard to kill yourself in. You can get really frustrated, but you'll be hard pressed to destroy things |
| 21:13.40 | chops | dondelelcaro: FWIW, I agree |
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| 21:13.51 | jetscreamer | "what part of only press enter did you not understand?" :) |
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| 21:17.06 | dios_mio | in debian install, is there X in the first install CD? |
| 21:17.16 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:17.28 | dios_mio | cool |
| 21:17.32 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks though |
| 21:17.40 | dios_mio | what that? |
| 21:17.55 | jetscreamer | that package selector thingy you'll see with the checkboxes |
| 21:17.57 | chops | Okay, I see why http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp still refers to the 'apache' package |
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| 21:18.24 | chops | apache2 in Debian is so complex to configure that it's actually sort of difficult to summarize it in the same kind of one-page document :-/ |
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| 21:18.31 | jetscreamer | i always take them off and install whatever after the installation is finished.. tasksel will work though |
| 21:18.33 | dante_2core | jetscreamer, ed > * ^^ |
| 21:18.37 | jetscreamer | i just don't like the selections |
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| 21:18.47 | jetscreamer | nano or mcedit is my choice |
| 21:19.01 | dante_2core | jetscreamer, sorry, wrong hilite, meant to quote jelly-home |
| 21:19.13 | jelly-home | ? |
| 21:19.33 | dante_2core | <22:11> < jelly-hom> "ed is the default editor <-- this made me smile |
| 21:19.33 | ``y7 | how do i figure out what version of apache i have? i tried "man apache", but that didn't work and now i'm trying to find a doc online with a manual inside, but it wants to know what version i have and i can't seem to figure it out |
| 21:19.45 | chops | ``y7: dpkg -l apache apache2 |
| 21:19.48 | ``y7 | ty |
| 21:19.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l... what he said |
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| 21:20.09 | jetscreamer | omg double vision |
| 21:20.10 | ``y7 | dpkg -l apache apache2 |
| 21:20.10 | dpkg | No packages found matching apache apache2 |
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| 21:20.23 | Rat409 | or apt-cache show apache? |
| 21:20.25 | dante_2core | aptitude find apache2 |
| 21:20.26 | jetscreamer | you don't seem to have it then ``y7 |
| 21:20.32 | dante_2core | search* |
| 21:20.45 | ``y7 | jetscreamer, what do you mean? |
| 21:20.46 | drwahl | wait.. did he type it in here? |
| 21:20.51 | drwahl | and dpkg responded? |
| 21:21.00 | jetscreamer | ``y7: you don't seem to have apache installed |
| 21:21.02 | deoks | hell |
| 21:21.02 | deoks | o |
| 21:21.05 | chops | ``y7: What does 'wget -O /dev/null -S http://localhost/' say? |
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| 21:21.10 | chops | ``y7: Use pastebin |
| 21:21.15 | jetscreamer | drwahl: he typed dpkg first |
| 21:21.23 | kenjy | some one here know about awstats? |
| 21:21.30 | ``y7 | Connecting to localhost|127.0.0.1|:80... failed: Connection refused. |
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| 21:21.39 | chops | ``y7: Why do you believe you have apache installed? |
| 21:21.43 | ``y7 | i installed lampp |
| 21:21.56 | ``y7 | and when i locate apache, i find it in opt/lampp/ |
| 21:22.01 | jetscreamer | opt? |
| 21:22.07 | deoks | kenjy: I've seen the directory of a couple of ftp servers yes :). But not more. |
| 21:22.09 | drwahl | i think that the apache installed by lamp is not known by dpkg |
| 21:22.09 | chops | ``y7: How did you install lamp? |
| 21:22.19 | drwahl | i believe it is installed from source, so dpkg do not know about it |
| 21:22.26 | ``y7 | chops, i don't remember, it was a couple of weeks ago |
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| 21:22.40 | jetscreamer | well there ya go |
| 21:22.45 | chops | ``y7: You'll get a lot better support from here if you install it the Debian way |
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| 21:22.54 | ``y7 | ok |
| 21:23.01 | chops | ``y7: We can't effectively support packages that aren't provided by Debian |
| 21:23.10 | ``y7 | i wasn't aware it wasn't |
| 21:23.19 | jetscreamer | magic? |
| 21:23.23 | jetscreamer | hacker? |
| 21:23.27 | jetscreamer | brother? |
| 21:23.37 | jetscreamer | trying to figure out how you woudln't know |
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| 21:23.46 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:23.51 | dante_2core | jetscreamer, ^^ |
| 21:24.29 | ``y7 | i used apt-get install apache and i'm good to go now. sorry for wasting your time. i wasn't aware that lampp wasn't supported by debian. thanks for the help. |
| 21:24.33 | jetscreamer | i always forget to smile when i'm ripping somebody a new one... maybe that's why ppl don't like me :) |
| 21:24.36 | deoks | Hoho. Im installing Debian on my new laptop right now. The first time I am installing it. I've been using FreeBSD before. |
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| 21:24.49 | deoks | Lack of hardware support for it in FreeBSD thou :( |
| 21:24.52 | jetscreamer | ``y7: a lamp installation is..how you installed it isn't |
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| 21:25.06 | ``y7 | jetscreamer, yes |
| 21:25.20 | chops | ``y7: No problem. LAMP, the conceptual entity comprising Linux and apache and etc., is supported by Debian if you install it with apt. LAMP, the package you download that installs into /opt, isn't supported by Debian. |
| 21:26.01 | ``y7 | apt-get remove lamp? |
| 21:26.06 | jetscreamer | probably not |
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| 21:26.12 | jetscreamer | manually |
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| 21:26.24 | wols | !lap |
| 21:26.24 | dpkg | methinks lap is a place for a really cool portable computer. |
| 21:26.31 | jetscreamer | make uninstall maybe |
| 21:26.34 | wols | !lamp |
| 21:26.34 | dpkg | from memory, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 21:27.34 | ``y7 | will it do any harm other than take up HD space if i leave it? |
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| 21:27.47 | jetscreamer | i don't think it will |
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| 21:27.51 | jetscreamer | i don't know for sure |
| 21:27.52 | chops | ``y7: Depends on how it got installed... my guess would be no |
| 21:28.07 | jetscreamer | i did that with a game once |
| 21:28.12 | jetscreamer | worked fine |
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| 21:28.24 | chops | ``y7: I keep a ~/trash directory around for these situations. 'mv /opt/lamp ~/trash', see if anything breaks or I need anything from there in the next month... if I don't, I delete it |
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| 21:28.35 | jetscreamer | or just rename it |
| 21:28.38 | TheOnly | has anyone tried uvesafb with 2.6.24? |
| 21:28.55 | jelly-home | uwhatnow? |
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| 21:29.13 | DJOrtley_ | question, I've got Debian installed on Parallels on my Mac. When it comes up, I have to manually connect it to the network. My Mepis image doesn't need that to be done, its automatically on the network. |
| 21:29.14 | jetscreamer | what is uvesa... new in the kernel? |
| 21:29.25 | TheOnly | the successor of the vesafb-tng framebuffer support |
| 21:29.30 | DJOrtley_ | is there some sort of configuration somewhere that I can set to make it automatically connect at startup? |
| 21:29.35 | morphiu | chops we talked ago about amd64/i386. now i wanna encrypt my hard disk with cryptsetup and with default settings (aes, 128 bit key) i can't get more than 80 mb / s read speed - would migrating to amd64 arch help here? and is there a cheaper encryption algorithm or how can i make that faster (it wouldn't matter if its less safe) |
| 21:29.37 | DJOrtley_ | this is Debian 4.0 |
| 21:29.59 | jelly-home | > uvesafb, aka “vesafb-tng done right”, fixes these two problems. It uses a userspace daemon to run x86 Video BIOS calls |
| 21:30.32 | pumpkin0 | morphiu: how fast is your HD ? |
| 21:30.33 | TheOnly | i noticed that |
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| 21:30.38 | TheOnly | i wonder if there are any issues regarding it |
| 21:30.39 | morphiu | pumpkin0: 280 mb / s, raid 5 |
| 21:30.46 | chops | morphiu: 80 mb/s read speed? What were you getting without encryption? |
| 21:30.47 | TheOnly | cuz i'm now compiling 2.6.24.2 |
| 21:30.58 | morphiu | chops: 280 mb / s, raid 5 |
| 21:31.08 | jelly-home | TheOnly: I was just answering my own question, btw |
| 21:31.11 | chops | morphiu: That's a lot of read speed :-) |
| 21:31.12 | deoks | Biss mess of communication in this place. |
| 21:31.16 | deoks | s/Biss/Bigg/ |
| 21:31.19 | deoks | err |
| 21:31.20 | jetscreamer | hey TheOnly when you're done tell me if you get a runaway loop caused by the net-pf-1 module |
| 21:31.25 | deoks | s/Bigg/Big/ |
| 21:31.28 | deoks | haha |
| 21:31.34 | chops | morphiu: Are you running an amd64 kernel? What shows in 'top' when you're reading very heavily? |
| 21:31.42 | jetscreamer | iirc net-pf-1... net-pf-something |
| 21:31.50 | TheOnly | jetscreamer, during compiling or after running the kernel |
| 21:32.01 | chops | morphiu: Offhand I would guess that moving to an amd64 kernel might speed it up, but changing your userspace won't... but I could be wrong. |
| 21:32.06 | morphiu | chops yes its an amd64 kernel and top shows the 2 processes and both cpu cores 0% idle |
| 21:32.10 | jetscreamer | TheOnly: when you boot, right after... the initrd is loading i believe.. the box still boots though |
| 21:32.15 | chops | morphiu: What two processes? |
| 21:32.28 | TheOnly | okay, i'll keep that in the background |
| 21:32.28 | ajavid | man this AD is not hard, I remember this from 2000 back when I did my MCSE |
| 21:32.36 | jetscreamer | i do not get that with vanilla kernel source, only the debian source |
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| 21:32.38 | TheOnly | lets see if it boots at all |
| 21:32.43 | jetscreamer | same .config |
| 21:32.48 | simonrvn | eeew AD |
| 21:32.50 | simonrvn | @ad |
| 21:32.52 | ravenbird | i guess ad is andorra |
| 21:32.53 | TheOnly | since i've been out of the loop for a while |
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| 21:32.57 | ajavid | hey how come it says I'm in #debian-overflow? |
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| 21:33.02 | TheOnly | i passively sticked to 2.6.18 for my server |
| 21:33.10 | simonrvn | @active directory |
| 21:33.10 | ravenbird | A bloated multi-purpose piece of software calling itself a directory. Lives in Microsofts world, making it generally incompatible with standards. |
| 21:33.11 | morphiu | chops krcyptd/1 and /0 |
| 21:33.17 | TheOnly | but after that root exploit i chose to upgrade |
| 21:33.18 | jetscreamer | it mentions #debian-overflow.. i don't know why |
| 21:33.23 | jetscreamer | here also i mean |
| 21:33.30 | ajavid | simonrvn: :( gotta learn it for work |
| 21:33.49 | chops | morphiu: Yeah, I would expect changing kernel architectures to affect that (though I'm not sure how much improvement you can expect), but not changing userspace architecture. |
| 21:33.51 | ajavid | simonrvn: lots of companies use it |
| 21:33.53 | jetscreamer | TheOnly: it's fixed in debian |
| 21:34.00 | jetscreamer | even etch |
| 21:34.05 | ``y7 | after install apache with apt-get install, and do sudo updatedb, htdocs should show up on my locate list, correct? |
| 21:34.06 | simonrvn | doesn't mean it's good ;) |
| 21:34.11 | morphiu | chops i'm already running amd64 kernel |
| 21:34.16 | chops | morphiu: You might experiment with encryption algorithms, too... |
| 21:34.16 | ajavid | of course not |
| 21:34.18 | TheOnly | jetscreamer, i compile kernels by myself |
| 21:34.29 | ajavid | simonrvn: and I just saw your email in my box too |
| 21:34.30 | jetscreamer | i used to also |
| 21:34.33 | TheOnly | i have tons of options to disable in the kernel configuration |
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| 21:34.36 | jetscreamer | got tired of my slow box |
| 21:34.37 | TheOnly | that's the only reason |
| 21:34.39 | ajavid | hehe i just put it to my gmail archive |
| 21:34.50 | simonrvn | ajavid: good luck not going nuts with it. i wouldn't wish that on anyone |
| 21:35.05 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: he says he's nyle btw fyi :) |
| 21:35.07 | chops | morphiu: 80 mb/s is pretty fast, though. Add more cores? :-) |
| 21:35.12 | ajavid | simonrvn: yeh.. well right now the main deal is learning to deploy exchange server |
| 21:35.23 | simonrvn | i know he is |
| 21:35.26 | ajavid | the rhel shit is easy, its the windows crap giving me shit |
| 21:35.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:35.42 | TheOnly | i'm now compiling a generic 2.6.24.2 with some basic processor and driver adjustments just to see if it will work... |
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| 21:35.52 | TheOnly | if it does I'll disable some more modules |
| 21:36.00 | simonrvn | (admittedly took me a min. to figure it out ;) |
| 21:36.07 | TheOnly | i'm quite subjective to the 2.6.20 series |
| 21:36.18 | morphiu | chops can't i switch to 64bit encryption or something to get more speed? (but with -s 64 it doesn't work, it gives errors) |
| 21:36.30 | ajavid | Nyle_: you suck. |
| 21:36.31 | ajavid | :D |
| 21:36.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:36.42 | TheOnly | i've also noticed a slower boot up in 2.6.22 than in 2.6.18 |
| 21:36.46 | jetscreamer | i'm partial to it also |
| 21:36.54 | chops | morphiu: Did you reencrypt your disk? I would expect switching algorithms without reconstructing the disk image to give... unsuccessful results, at best :-) |
| 21:36.57 | aMoRPHeouS | what the hell |
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| 21:37.15 | aMoRPHeouS | hilights galore >_< |
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| 21:37.26 | simonrvn | well so far 2.6.24.2 doesn't have any serious bugs, which is a relief |
| 21:37.26 | chops | morphiu: I'm not familiar with what options there are for changing the encryption to speed it up, though I'd expect there to be some |
| 21:37.59 | TheOnly | simonrvn, i hope so |
| 21:38.18 | morphiu | yeah, but is there something that would forbid AES 64bit? isn't it compiled into the kernel by default? |
| 21:38.35 | TheOnly | and I hope the damn vmware workstation will work on 2.6.24 |
| 21:38.50 | morphiu | chops 128bit and 256bit works, but 64 gives an error that looks like some kernel module is missing |
| 21:38.58 | jetscreamer | i get that runaway loop with -2 |
| 21:39.03 | simonrvn | i have it on both still running linux boxen, and the server's been up 3 days... fs or other bugs would've crept up by now |
| 21:39.04 | chops | morphiu: Hm |
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| 21:39.28 | vlt | Hello. Is there kind of -via option in ssh (like vncviewer has)? It would be nice just to type `ssh host.behind.firewall -via firewall` instead of `ssh -L 2222:host.behind.firewall:22 firewall` and `ssh -p 2222 localhost -o NoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost=yes`, wouldn't it? |
| 21:39.33 | morphiu | chops or is it the same kernel module for all key lengths? |
| 21:39.42 | jetscreamer | hmm so ppl doing it remote wouldn't have a clue, huh. they can't watch the box boot. |
| 21:39.49 | chops | morphiu: I'm not sure, sorry. |
| 21:40.11 | jetscreamer | vlt: why don't you just alias whatever in .bashrc |
| 21:40.14 | simonrvn | (this is homebrew stuff, not debian kernels) |
| 21:40.14 | jetscreamer | or script it |
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| 21:40.37 | chops | morphiu: One option would be to increase the amount of RAM in the box if you can't fix it any other way. Satisfying more requests from the RAM cache is a way to decrease the effect that a too-slow disk has on a system (sometimes by quite a bit). |
| 21:40.38 | ajavid | if you know how, why would you use a stock kernel? |
| 21:40.41 | ajavid | ;) |
| 21:40.52 | ajavid | cuztomize baby, cuztomize. |
| 21:40.55 | jetscreamer | ajavid: same reason i do now, usually |
| 21:41.01 | morphiu | okay chops i'll subscribe the luks mailing list and hope to find answers there :) |
| 21:41.02 | ajavid | jetscreamer: lazy? |
| 21:41.06 | jetscreamer | got tired of it, no noticealble difference |
| 21:41.10 | chops | ajavid: Because you're not a raving nutter? :-) Same as the reasons for not compiling everything else on your system by hand. |
| 21:41.15 | jetscreamer | and they implemented the uuid= stuff |
| 21:41.27 | ajavid | chops: hey man... this is why I'm not in #gentoo |
| 21:41.44 | jetscreamer | ajavid: however, with 2.6.24 i had a reason to do my own |
| 21:41.50 | vlt | jetscreamer: Yes, right, could script it. Do I have to add "&" to the first command then? |
| 21:41.57 | chops | morphiu: k, good luck |
| 21:42.09 | jetscreamer | & or && ... && waits on the first to finish, & doesn't |
| 21:42.34 | vlt | jetscreamer: so && would be quite useless here |
| 21:42.34 | jetscreamer | vlt: #bash would be more helpful than me on that |
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| 21:42.44 | vlt | jetscreamer: Ok, thank you. |
| 21:42.45 | jetscreamer | a lot more |
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| 21:42.53 | jetscreamer | my bash-fu is weak |
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| 21:44.45 | ajavid | than UI * |
| 21:44.47 | ajavid | I* |
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| 21:47.46 | Rat409 | lol |
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| 21:54.20 | weller | is there something wrong with the apt mirrors? |
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| 21:54.34 | weller | im getting lots of "file not found" and "bad header" errors |
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| 21:55.01 | porncake | where do i put sometihng if i want it to execute on startup |
| 21:55.01 | weller | doesnt seem to matter what mirror i try |
| 21:55.03 | azeem | weller: which mirror do you use? |
| 21:55.05 | pumpkin0 | weller: which of the > 5000 mirrors do you use. |
| 21:55.13 | porncake | like i have startup.sh and the stuff in there i want executed when my box is restarted |
| 21:55.45 | drwahl | porncake: check out init |
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| 21:56.30 | weller | us.debian, mirrors.kernel, uwsg.indiana.edu |
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| 21:57.01 | deoks | If i re-enter the debian installation through the installation cd and change my root account from the menu "Set up users and password". Do the installation software write it to my existing /etc/shadow ? |
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| 21:57.11 | pumpkin0 | weller: did you run apt-get update first ? |
| 21:57.23 | weller | pumpkin0: yes |
| 21:57.33 | weller | thats when i get the errors |
| 21:57.49 | pumpkin0 | weller: do you have trouble with other sites too ? |
| 21:58.31 | maligor | deoks, you mean using the recovery function? |
| 21:58.46 | morphiu | a simple question: how can i split a file after like each 100 lines into seperate files? |
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| 21:58.56 | deoks | maligor: Uhm. No, I think it is an ordinary installation. |
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| 21:59.32 | weller | pumpkin0: those are the 3 biggest sites to me bandwidth wise, do you have a deb line thats known working? |
| 21:59.43 | simonrvn | morphiu: man split |
| 22:00.00 | maligor | deoks, the installation cd media has a recovery function that'll give you a root console |
| 22:00.09 | maligor | to the existing system |
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| 22:00.18 | maligor | you can change passwords with that |
| 22:00.28 | deoks | maligor: Are you sure? Im installing from the amd64-netinstall image? |
| 22:00.37 | maligor | I think.. I've never had to do that, I've fixed boot a few times |
| 22:00.44 | ajavid | ALRIGHT! |
| 22:00.46 | ajavid | time to go home |
| 22:00.50 | maligor | deoks, yes, I belive so |
| 22:00.52 | ajavid | see ya guys |
| 22:01.05 | maligor | deoks, I think it was 'recover' that you put to the boot prompt |
| 22:01.21 | maligor | press the helps and it'll tell you the correct word in some of them |
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| 22:01.40 | maligor | it'll ask a few questions and then give you a chrooted root prompt |
| 22:01.54 | CarLuva | how can I install an individual package that is included in a different version of debian than the one I'm using? I.e. I'm running lenny, and the package is included in sarge and sid, but not etch or lenny... |
| 22:02.10 | deoks | maligor: Allright. Do I need to mount my partitions? |
| 22:02.24 | maligor | deoks, it'll ask which partition you want to use automagically |
| 22:02.36 | deoks | Oh. Linux magic :) |
| 22:02.49 | maligor | debian-installer magic more like |
| 22:02.53 | Nostahl | does gparted have its own room? |
| 22:03.08 | chops | CarLuva: If you're running lenny, you may be able to simply install the sid package |
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| 22:03.13 | chops | CarLuva: What's the package? |
| 22:03.21 | CarLuva | kbibletime |
| 22:03.33 | chops | Is there a standard in Debian for GB versus GiB and the like? |
| 22:03.59 | simonrvn | chops: what? see wikipedia entry, that illustrates standard |
| 22:04.15 | chops | CarLuva: kbibtletime is not available in Debian |
| 22:04.29 | CarLuva | it was when I used to run unstable |
| 22:04.32 | Nostahl | what would cause gparted to scan for ever and ever before it finds the only flash drive thats pluged into the system (there's not even a hd or anything in here) |
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| 22:04.50 | CarLuva | and the kbibletime website says it is in sarge and sid |
| 22:05.29 | Omnistegan | Hello all, it seems that on this computer webpages take a long time to connect. It's a simple DHCP router/swtich combination and windows computers don't have trouble. Any suggestions? |
| 22:05.34 | sofr | CarLuva: I think it's just bibletime |
| 22:05.37 | chops | CarLuva: It doesn't seem to be in Debian at all; see http://packages.debian.org/kbibletime |
| 22:05.43 | TheOnly | doh that kernel's still compiling |
| 22:05.50 | CarLuva | sofr: I've checked both |
| 22:05.55 | Tramp | maybe it's just "bibletime" |
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| 22:06.06 | Tramp | A bible study tool for KDE |
| 22:06.11 | TheOnly | ooh goodie! it just went on to step 2 |
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| 22:06.54 | CarLuva | Tramp, sofr: yeah, sorry, you're right, it's just bibletime |
| 22:07.07 | chops | simonrvn: Hm, the wikipedia entry notes that GB is ambiguous... the reason I ask is that I see that dd outputs GB=1000^3, which was surprising to me, and I wondered if it was worth a wishlist bug (though it's starting to look like not) |
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| 22:07.37 | CarLuva | Tramp, sofr, chops: So how can I install the sid package? |
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| 22:07.56 | chops | CarLuva: Add sid to /etc/apt/sources.list, install just that single package, remove sid from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:08.11 | chops | CarLuva: Make sure you look at the list of what's being upgraded when you install the package to make sure you're okay with it |
| 22:08.20 | CarLuva | chops: ah, okay...I'll try that, thanks |
| 22:08.27 | chops | CarLuva: np. Good luck,. |
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| 22:08.53 | Tramp | CarLuva: I doubt it. It has tons of dependencies. |
| 22:08.54 | sofr | CarLuva: I am not sure but I am afraid it will want to upgrade KDE libraries |
| 22:10.13 | sofr | CarLuva: I switched to GnomeSword |
| 22:10.45 | drwahl | sofr: have you checked out OpenSword ? |
| 22:10.59 | simonrvn | chops: admittedly it is, but on another page it does statee what xB and xiB are. i suppose some apps haven't fixed on that newer standard |
| 22:11.01 | sofr | drwahl: no |
| 22:11.04 | CarLuva | sofr: I've been using GnomeSword, but it keeps crashing when I try to use the commentaries module |
| 22:11.19 | drwahl | sofr: that might be of some interest to you, and i thought there was a deb package for it |
| 22:11.56 | \amethyst | chops: looks like 15G is for gibibytes, 15GB for gigabytes |
| 22:12.00 | chops | simonrvn: Yeah, it seems like fixing a standard around an ambigious term is kind of asking for trouble... but at least using GB and GiB consistently is a big step up from using GB all the time :-) |
| 22:12.03 | drwahl | err... not sofr... i mean CarLuva |
| 22:12.06 | chops | \amethyst: ! |
| 22:12.15 | simonrvn | chops: for sure |
| 22:12.20 | chops | \amethyst: GiB should be for gibibytes... |
| 22:12.36 | simonrvn | er, GiB for gibibytes |
| 22:12.37 | CarLuva | drwahl: I didn't come across that one when I looked through my sources |
| 22:12.40 | simonrvn | like ^^^ |
| 22:12.50 | chops | \amethyst: Also, having G and GB have distinct meanings is almost worse to me than using GB inconsistently :-) |
| 22:13.13 | drwahl | CarLuva: upon further research, it looks like gnomesword might be using the opensword source |
| 22:13.16 | simonrvn | i use 'G' (or whatever) to mean GB |
| 22:13.17 | \amethyst | chops: in the Posix standard for dd, 'k' is for kilobytes, 'b' for blocks, and 'M', 'G' etc aren't useed |
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| 22:15.15 | \amethyst | chops: err, 'k' is for kibibytes in Posix |
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| 22:15.44 | CarLuva | sofr, Tramp, drwahl: fortunately, the sid package doesn't rely on any newer kde libs, so I think it'll work...thanks for your help! |
| 22:16.21 | \amethyst | chops: I suspect the decimal versions were added later, and the use of M G T etc for the binary version are to be consistent with 'k' |
| 22:16.29 | \amethyst | s/are to/is to/ |
| 22:17.06 | jetscreamer | ah gahd the mb/mib war |
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| 22:17.13 | drwahl | CarLuva: np, you may also be interested in the Ubuntu CE project |
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| 22:18.02 | \amethyst | chops: info '(coreutils)Block size' describes how GNU software (at least coreutils) handles block sizes |
| 22:18.08 | Farhadix | hi guys, is any way to edit my real name in an uid in gpg? |
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| 22:19.02 | Synchronized | I have this wifi card, and it was only meant to be used with windows, will it work in debian? |
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| 22:19.13 | deoks | Maybe. |
| 22:19.16 | chops | \amethyst: Interesting |
| 22:19.25 | deoks | Synchronized: But you should rather check for the Linux hardware support. |
| 22:19.29 | chops | \amethyst: Good to know that GNU tools know about yottabytes :-) |
| 22:19.33 | chops | \amethyst: Thanks |
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| 22:20.52 | \amethyst | chops: oh, looking at that, KiB does work |
| 22:21.00 | chops | \amethyst: nod |
| 22:21.22 | chops | \amethyst: I still maintain that having distinct meanings for K and KB is wrong |
| 22:21.44 | chops | \amethyst: But at least they bothered to support KB and KiB, and to write it all down :-) |
| 22:21.45 | \amethyst | chops: so you think KB should be 1024 ? |
| 22:21.50 | \amethyst | chops: or that K should be 1000? |
| 22:21.55 | hatter | anyone know what this means in syslog ? kernel: rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz. |
| 22:22.24 | chops | \amethyst: Realistically, I guess I prefer KB = 1000, KiB = 1024, and K is unsupported |
| 22:22.41 | \amethyst | chops: 'k' has to be supported because of the standard, though |
| 22:22.57 | chops | \amethyst: Ideally I'd prefer if KB were not supported, with only KiB and some alternative that was also unambiguous meaning 1000 |
| 22:23.03 | \amethyst | chops: 'M' and 'G' don't have to be, but as I said I figure they're for consistency |
| 22:23.10 | chops | \amethyst: nod |
| 22:23.21 | chops | \amethyst: That's what POSIXLY_CORRECT is for :-) |
| 22:23.30 | jetscreamer | chops: i read a thing about that that made me change my mind about that |
| 22:23.46 | \amethyst | chops: but how many scripts out there assume that '1k' means 1024 bytes? |
| 22:23.53 | jetscreamer | a kilo is not 1024 it's 1000 |
| 22:24.02 | jetscreamer | kilogram... |
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| 22:24.08 | chops | \amethyst: It's a nasty problem, and surely my shooting-from-the-hip solutions are not as well-thought-out as the actual dd maintainers' |
| 22:24.50 | chops | jetscreamer: That's the standard for grams, but for bytes it's ambiguous and always has been. That's why I like KiB, and why I wish there was a similarly-unambiguous way to say '1000 bytes' |
| 22:24.56 | jetscreamer | a plea for sanity, or a cry for sanity, was the webpag's title |
| 22:25.03 | kallix | does anyone else have weird things with mouse pointer display ? |
| 22:25.11 | \amethyst | chops: 'siKB' maybe? :) |
| 22:25.18 | chops | \amethyst: Yeah |
| 22:25.20 | jetscreamer | no they actually explained it to where i had an epiphany or whatever |
| 22:25.27 | chops | \amethyst: You'll notice I didn't propose any examples :-) |
| 22:25.31 | jetscreamer | i felt the same as you |
| 22:26.02 | chops | jetscreamer: http://meta.ath0.com/2005/02/23/a-plea-for-sanity/ ? |
| 22:26.14 | jetscreamer | chops: this was just last week i'm a new convert.. yeah probably that one |
| 22:26.34 | jetscreamer | i still won't use the weird stuff though |
| 22:26.38 | jetscreamer | i just agree :) |
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| 22:26.59 | chops | jetscreamer: Oh, I am 100% sold on the wisdom of KiB |
| 22:26.59 | jetscreamer | it wil probably always be 1024 to me |
| 22:27.11 | jetscreamer | o |
| 22:27.13 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 22:27.27 | jetscreamer | /end gilda radner imitation |
| 22:27.32 | S4nD3r | Just a question... I will need to format my PC, and I will install linux again... Is possible to know which package are installed to install again ??? |
| 22:27.42 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 22:27.42 | dpkg | reinstall is probably aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
| 22:27.47 | jetscreamer | the second one |
| 22:27.58 | chops | jetscreamer: I was just saying that since KB is so entrenched in ambiguosity, it feels wrong to me even to use it to mean 1000 |
| 22:28.07 | AreidY | I want to install faac and got a dependency problem: faac needs libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is installed. My Problem: cant find a version above 2.3 ( http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/libc6/download ) ?! |
| 22:28.08 | jetscreamer | yeah me too |
| 22:28.09 | Kevin` | S4nD3r why do you need to reinstall |
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| 22:28.23 | jetscreamer | AreidY: try marillat's |
| 22:28.24 | S4nD3r | partitions problems |
| 22:28.25 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 22:28.25 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 22:28.41 | Kevin` | S4nD3r sounds like something that doesn't need a reinstall |
| 22:28.41 | AreidY | jetscreamer: What is marillats? |
| 22:28.46 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 22:28.53 | AreidY | :D |
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| 22:29.07 | wols | !dmm |
| 22:29.08 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 22:29.17 | jetscreamer | spam! |
| 22:29.18 | AreidY | I tried marillats! But Marillat doesn have libc6 |
| 22:29.30 | OlaX | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 22:29.30 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 22:29.37 | jetscreamer | o |
| 22:29.37 | AreidY | and i need libc6 for faac |
| 22:29.44 | wols | AreidY:backport or sdn backport |
| 22:29.48 | jetscreamer | !tell AreidY -...that |
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| 22:29.50 | Onyx | Does anyone know of a way to get gedit to use html syntax highlighting for files with a .shtml extension? |
| 22:30.00 | S4nD3r | Linux was installed on second partition, on slave HD |
| 22:30.20 | CarLuva | !tell CarLuva -...that |
| 22:30.22 | S4nD3r | now, master HD was to trash... Then, I just have 1 HD |
| 22:30.23 | jetscreamer | you can manually instruct it when you have the file open, Onyx .. not sure about all the time, but that would probably be in gconf |
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| 22:30.34 | S4nD3r | To load grub this takes almost 5 minutes |
| 22:30.49 | Kevin` | S4nD3r why would that need a reinstall? this isn't windows :). most you would have to do is reinstall grub and change fstab |
| 22:30.59 | S4nD3r | then, I think its necessary to format to put linux on first partition of HD ! |
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| 22:31.08 | AreidY | jetscreamer: I dont know what you mean by that |
| 22:31.25 | jetscreamer | !tell AreidY -about backports |
| 22:32.03 | AreidY | nothing happens, jet. Bot not working correctly? |
| 22:32.04 | S4nD3r | I dont know |
| 22:32.14 | jetscreamer | AreidY: different window |
| 22:32.15 | S4nD3r | its so slow to load grub |
| 22:32.17 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 22:32.18 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 22:32.53 | Onyx | jetscreamer: Thanks -- I'll look around a bit for a permanent fix |
| 22:32.56 | AreidY | thx, ill start reading.... |
| 22:33.12 | Kevin` | S4nD3r have you ever run a smart test on your hard drives? |
| 22:33.28 | bdadmin2w | how do I rebuild an array with dmraid? |
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| 22:33.49 | S4nD3r | Sure. |
| 22:33.53 | Kevin` | bdadmin2w dmraid, not md raid? |
| 22:34.05 | S4nD3r | Now I have HD working good. |
| 22:34.07 | bdadmin2w | dmraid, i believe |
| 22:34.11 | S4nD3r | The other was damaged |
| 22:34.12 | Kevin` | S4nD3r could you post the current results to pastebin? |
| 22:34.17 | bdadmin2w | this is a 'FakeRaid' |
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| 22:34.33 | S4nD3r | Of this HD ? |
| 22:34.38 | Kevin` | S4nD3r yes |
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| 22:35.08 | spacix | Does anyone know where on linux the php.ini file is located |
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| 22:35.31 | \amethyst | spacix: for command-line PHP or for Apache? |
| 22:35.41 | S4nD3r | umm... |
| 22:35.57 | S4nD3r | use fsck on mounted partition dont work |
| 22:36.13 | Kevin` | S4nD3r so? smart check, not fsck |
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| 22:36.20 | \amethyst | spacix: /etc/php5/cli/ and /etc/php5/apache2/. |
| 22:36.24 | spacix | thanks |
| 22:36.29 | \amethyst | spacix: for PHP4, /etc/php4/whatever |
| 22:36.43 | spacix | I mean for apache2 |
| 22:36.43 | spacix | yea |
| 22:37.01 | spacix | so when I run apache2 for the changes to take effect I need to alter /etc/php5/apache2 |
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| 22:38.18 | AreidY | GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: Signature Error. Signate not found[...] |
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| 22:39.32 | ska | can I do "dpkg --set-selections < file.txt" to ADD some packages? WIll that remove the ones it doesn't list? |
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| 22:43.13 | Tramp | AreidY: Read the "Instructions" page if this error bothers you. Reading a page called "Instructions" is always highly recommended |
| 22:43.31 | AreidY | Read that, nothing about a signate there |
| 22:44.03 | dcnoye | does anyone have experience working with cfengine ? |
| 22:44.13 | chops | AreidY: Read it again :-) |
| 22:44.23 | S4nD3r | Here is http://rafb.net/p/jmij3C15.html |
| 22:44.33 | chops | !tell dcnoye about anyone |
| 22:44.40 | Tramp | AreidY: so you installed the keyring, as the "Instructions" page says? |
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| 22:44.52 | S4nD3r | This is from "new" HD I will use to backup http://rafb.net/p/yXFYEF21.html |
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| 22:45.42 | AreidY | argh, made a typo |
| 22:45.44 | AreidY | sry |
| 22:46.42 | bdadmin2w | how do I rebuild a 'FakeRaid' array? |
| 22:46.50 | pzn | Hi! I intend to install a new debian computer in a 250gb HD. if I don't have problems with users filling up all HD (I'm the only user), is it good to partition HD only in three (one small for boot, one for root, one for swap)? any good efect to add more partitions than these three? |
| 22:47.17 | chops | pzn: Fewer partitions is almost always better |
| 22:47.37 | chops | pzn: I use a separate /boot when I have to, but often use just a single / with a swapfile instead of a swap partition |
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| 22:49.27 | pzn | chops, any performance increase in using one partition for squid cache? |
| 22:50.02 | chops | pzn: There might be (especially if you put it at the fast end of your disk). |
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| 22:51.24 | Nostahl | how come when i open up a program with root privilages it cant see anything from my desktop? |
| 22:51.37 | Nostahl | ie im tyring to open a tar file with file-roller with root privlages |
| 22:51.45 | chops | Nostahl: Copy .Xauthority from your home directory to /root and see if that helps |
| 22:51.49 | Nostahl | but if i just open file rolleer regularly it can see the stuff on my desktop |
| 22:51.51 | Nostahl | k |
| 22:51.58 | chops | Nostahl: Wait, what do you mean "see"? |
| 22:52.19 | chops | Nostahl: Can you navigate to your desktop in the filesystem (/home/Nostahl/desktop) or whatever when running as root? |
| 22:52.20 | Nostahl | k i have my home folder and some folders in it |
| 22:52.33 | Nostahl | but when i open up a prgram in root mode it dosnt let me see my home folder to select files in it |
| 22:52.41 | Nostahl | nope |
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| 22:53.05 | chops | Nostahl: Can you pastebin a screenshot of the file roller refusing to let you open your home directory? |
| 22:53.23 | themill | Nostahl: you probably shouldn't be using fileroller as root anyway.... |
| 22:53.46 | chops | What does it do when you try to navigate to your home directory as root? |
| 22:53.51 | pzn | chops, ok, I'll think about using a single partition or more. thanks for the hints. |
| 22:53.56 | chops | pzn: np |
| 22:53.58 | Nostahl | it dosnt show me the home directory as root in the program |
| 22:54.15 | chops | Nostahl: What _does_ it show you? Again, feel free to use an image pastebin. |
| 22:54.17 | \amethyst | Nostahl: is home directory on NFS or some other network FS? |
| 22:54.19 | chops | !tell Nostahl about pastebin |
| 22:54.20 | AreidY | Installed new Version of GPAC but MP4Box says its still in the old version?! Why is that? http://pastebin.com/m6f0bec51 |
| 22:54.35 | themill | Nostahl: root's home is /root, your user's home is /home/username .... something tells me that might be the problem here |
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| 22:54.53 | obnauticus | http://digg.com/security/Wait_What <-- lulz. |
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| 22:55.37 | pzn | Nostahl, try clicking "archive", "open", then click "filesystem", then click "/home" then your username |
| 22:55.51 | Nostahl | just did restart and its showing up now |
| 22:55.52 | Nostahl | weird |
| 22:55.57 | Nostahl | gparted's being weird too |
| 22:56.06 | Nostahl | where it wont let me do vfat just ext2 / 3 and swap |
| 22:56.22 | themill | Good on it. |
| 22:56.53 | pzn | Nostahl, when something is weird, I boot with memtest86+ to check if there is some hardware malfunction |
| 22:56.56 | S4nD3r | 4.0r3 is lenny?? |
| 22:57.15 | azeem | S4nD3r: no |
| 22:57.27 | pzn | S4nD3r, etch |
| 22:57.29 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: no, it's the third point release of etch |
| 22:57.33 | S4nD3r | Im looking for netinst of lenny |
| 22:57.49 | chops | S4nD3r: google? |
| 22:57.50 | azeem | S4nD3r: wait for the beta1 which is supposed to come out RSN |
| 22:58.03 | themill | !tell S4nD3r about installing lenny |
| 22:58.06 | \amethyst | !testing netinst |
| 22:58.06 | dpkg | testing netinst is probably see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for daily built netinst images for <testing>. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller and <custom netinst> |
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| 22:59.30 | S4nD3r | thank you |
| 22:59.35 | S4nD3r | I had lenny installed |
| 22:59.41 | S4nD3r | But I will need to reinstall |
| 22:59.47 | S4nD3r | format my HD |
| 22:59.59 | Nostahl | gah! im trying to untar a slax image to my usb drive and its erroring saying cannot change ownership of item |
| 22:59.59 | azeem | the testing snapshots are not guaranteed to work |
| 23:00.08 | azeem | in fact, they are rather guarenteed to not work right now |
| 23:00.09 | themill | azeem: aren't we still waiting for etch-and-a-half? Or is this going to be a very very early beta? |
| 23:00.12 | S4nD3r | Kevin' are you over there? |
| 23:00.23 | \amethyst | Nostahl: you have to untar as root if you want the files to have the correct ownerships |
| 23:00.28 | azeem | themill: ethnahalf will actually use the lenny beta1 |
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| 23:00.30 | azeem | d-u |
| 23:00.32 | azeem | d-i* |
| 23:00.59 | pzn | I have the "root" filesystem in one partition (100Gb) that is raid1 (2x SATA), I do external tape full-backup weekly. does it make sense to create another partition with daily incremental backups (raid1) in the same HDs? |
| 23:01.30 | themill | azeem: ahh... nice touch. I had expected just a new kernel in the installer rather than a newer installer too. |
| 23:01.57 | chops | pzn: I find daily incrementals offsite over the network to work quite well. At least, I did until my storage requirements blew up and it took longer than a day to push them... |
| 23:02.16 | \amethyst | chops: rsync can avoid that problem |
| 23:02.39 | azeem | themill: http://teams.debian.net/lurker/message/20080204.005343.c4b38e5d.en.html |
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| 23:02.48 | chops | \amethyst: It wasn't the lack of incrementalism that killed me, it was just that the amount of churn was more than my entwork could conveniently handle |
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| 23:02.54 | \amethyst | chops: ah |
| 23:03.05 | themill | azeem: thanks |
| 23:03.08 | chops | \amethyst: It was a sad day when that happened |
| 23:03.14 | pzn | I can make daily incremental by rsync over the network, however, do you think that it makes sense to do daily incremental in the same HD, another partition? |
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| 23:03.25 | drwahl | i am trying to use finch in "screen" but instead of having solid lines for the window borders, it has "@" signs. i assume this is a "feature" of screen? is there some way to change/verify this? |
| 23:03.32 | S4nD3r | Which tool to use to mark badblock of hd ??? and keep use hd !! |
| 23:03.53 | chops | pzn: It depends on your needs... it might make sense. You might also consider LVM snapshots. |
| 23:04.40 | S4nD3r | I have a HD, but this is not working good.... then Id like to mark badblocks to keep using it |
| 23:04.40 | chops | drwahl: I have missing 'alias'es in screen due to its different way of launching the login shell... you might compare the output of 'printenv' in screen and out of it to try to track down what's different in screen. |
| 23:04.42 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: fsck -c or badblocks > file; fsck -l file |
| 23:04.49 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: but you can't do that while it's mounted |
| 23:04.53 | chops | drwahl: IIRC screen does something that avoids loading /etc/profile |
| 23:05.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, I see my application's font too short, where can I check and correct that? In gnome appearance fonts are set to 11 |
| 23:05.04 | drwahl | chops: i'll check that, thank you |
| 23:05.08 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: also, if your hard drive is more recent than 1990 or so, you really don't want to be doing that |
| 23:05.09 | chops | drwahl: np |
| 23:05.10 | Nostahl | im running the untar program as root so its doing it as root isnt it? |
| 23:05.40 | S4nD3r | This HD, Ive used since 2006 or 2005 |
| 23:05.41 | AreidY | Installed new Version of GPAC but MP4Box says its still in the old version?! Why is that? http://pastebin.com/m6f0bec51 <- Could please give someone a hint how to solve? |
| 23:05.42 | \amethyst | Nostahl: you're untarring to a FAT filesystem then I bet |
| 23:05.51 | Nostahl | aye that i am |
| 23:05.58 | Nostahl | is there a special way to do that or something? |
| 23:06.15 | \amethyst | Nostahl: well, you can't preserve ownership and permissions... FAT doesn't have them |
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| 23:06.43 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: the drive itself automatically remaps bad blocks... if the OS is seeing a bad block, that means that there have been enough bad blocks that the disk ran out of remapping space |
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| 23:06.45 | chops | Nostahl: What exactly are you trying to do? What is 'slax'? |
| 23:07.02 | Nostahl | its a little distro |
| 23:07.06 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: meaning it's likely that you'll be getting more and more bad blocks as time goes on |
| 23:07.07 | Nostahl | i was going to try for a usb distro |
| 23:07.31 | chops | AreidY: You may have to recompile mp4box against the new gpac library; I'm not familiar with either piece of software (and IIRC they're not provided by Debian), so I'm not sure. |
| 23:07.43 | S4nD3r | Ok then !! |
| 23:07.45 | chops | Nostahl: It's more complex than untarring it as root onto a USB stick |
| 23:07.51 | S4nD3r | I will need to buy a new one |
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| 23:07.53 | Nostahl | not quite |
| 23:08.02 | Nostahl | your supose to just untar it and run a script for syslinux |
| 23:08.03 | chops | Nostahl: Does it not come with an installer or something? |
| 23:08.04 | Nostahl | and its set |
| 23:08.13 | chops | Nostahl: Not to a FAT filesystem, certainly... |
| 23:08.15 | AreidY | chops: Since i didnt compiled it (and got no folder for the source), where can i finde that stuff i need to recompile? |
| 23:08.21 | Nostahl | thats what there instructions say |
| 23:08.24 | drwahl | chops: it seems as if that was the issue, but i'm not sure how to go about defining what i need for ncurses stuff to work. i will have to tackle that one on a different day |
| 23:08.34 | loca|host | how to know if my iptables support the string matching ? |
| 23:08.39 | chops | AreidY: Where did you get the package? |
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| 23:08.47 | chops | drwahl: Makes sense |
| 23:08.56 | chops | Nostahl: What instructions are you following? Do you have a link? |
| 23:09.01 | AreidY | chops: Debian-Multimedia |
| 23:09.22 | Nostahl | http://www.slax.org/get_slax.php |
| 23:09.25 | chops | AreidY: Where'd you get the gpac library? What's the output of 'apt-cache show mp4box'? |
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| 23:10.11 | themill | azeem: my reading of that is that they're talking about a beta of the lenny d-i not a beta of lenny itself. Or am I barking up the wrong tree... |
| 23:10.44 | azeem | well, that's generally considered more or less equal |
| 23:10.48 | drwahl | is there anyway to limit the amount of users allowed to be logged in at one time? (i am assuming init here...) |
| 23:10.48 | chops | Nostahl: I would seek support from the slax people then... I can't immediately see anything Debian-related that may be going wrong |
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| 23:11.10 | azeem | there's no special care taken by the release managers to have testing in a super-great state for beta1 though |
| 23:11.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, how can I correct the size of my X applications? I see the font too small |
| 23:11.23 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: Check your DPI settings |
| 23:11.33 | AreidY | chops: gpac library from debian-multimedia.org / apt-get show: http://pastebin.com/m3f5beccd |
| 23:11.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, where? |
| 23:11.42 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: xdpyinfo |
| 23:11.45 | themill | azeem: Didn't the etch d-i hit beta long before anyone was thinking about actually releasing etch? |
| 23:12.06 | azeem | yeah |
| 23:12.10 | JW | Hey there's a command to make dpkg list the full name of the installed packges, does anyone know what it is? |
| 23:12.16 | azeem | sorry, I was talking about d-i beta, not lenny beta |
| 23:12.32 | drwahl | JW: dpkg -l ? |
| 23:12.37 | abrotman | JW: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 23:12.42 | JW | drwahl: no, that truncaes names |
| 23:12.46 | chops | AreidY: You'll have to upgrade libgpac0.4.4. Is there a reason you're using 'dpkg -i' instead of apt? |
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| 23:12.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, what value should I look for? |
| 23:13.00 | chops | AreidY: Ordinarily you're not supposed to have to worry about things in this much detail... |
| 23:13.11 | themill | azeem: thanks. It will be interesting to see.... might have to find a box to monkey with it.... :) |
| 23:13.25 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: dpi; I'm not sure what it's called. Try 'xdpyinfo | grep -i dpi' |
| 23:13.39 | AreidY | chops: Ill try to do the upgrade. Will it automatically work after i updated? / I use dpkg -i because apt-get didnt found the packages, so i downloaded them manually |
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| 23:14.10 | chops | AreidY: Fix /etc/apt/sources.list instead of downloading by hand. It'll be much easier. |
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| 23:14.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, nothing |
| 23:14.40 | AreidY | Tryed to fix it, added debian-multimedia to it etc etc, still didint found gpac |
| 23:15.13 | chops | AreidY: Where did you download it from? Can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:16.21 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: I don't have an X session handy to check, sorry. DPI is the first thing to check if your fonts are too small, though. |
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| 23:16.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, 75x5 dots per inch |
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| 23:18.04 | Nyle | hi |
| 23:18.08 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: (Assuming 75x75 is what you mean :-) Yes, that's much too small for a modern monitor. You can use xrandr --dpi 100x100 (or whatever) to set it within one session, or try to debug whatever it is that's going wrong in the X configuration that's leading it to select the wrong one. |
| 23:18.22 | themill | gonzaloaf_laptop: there's a "DisplaySize width height" directive you can include to change the dpi (man 5 xorg.conf) |
| 23:18.24 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: It's supposed to query the monitor information... but especially on a laptop, it can get it wrong sometimes. |
| 23:18.35 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: Also, what themill said |
| 23:18.51 | chops | Later all, gtg |
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| 23:19.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | themill, could you tell me your value? or the common value? |
| 23:19.46 | asfixia | Hello all: I have a Quad 2 Core (4 procs 64bits) with a Debian etch using a linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 debian kernel 32bits, is it possible to upgrade to a sid kernel linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 and then restore sources.list to etch (stable) safely to keep stable packages? |
| 23:19.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I have a LCD laptop monitor 15.4" |
| 23:19.55 | pzn | lvm how-to says that "root" filesystem on lvm is for experts only (it can stop working at a kernel upgrade), except when your distro already had mkinitrd compatible with lvm. is it safe to use lvm on root for debian etch? |
| 23:20.17 | Nyle | if you have to ask... |
| 23:20.18 | themill | gonzaloaf_laptop: for DisplaySize? It's a measurement in millimetres (mine is 333mm x 212mm) |
| 23:20.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | themill, for dpi |
| 23:21.30 | abrotman | asfixia: why would you ? |
| 23:21.56 | Nyle | asfixia: build your own from kernel sources |
| 23:21.58 | themill | gonzaloaf_laptop: I think mine is set to 100dpi. If you know the resolution of your monitor, get a ruler out and measure it yourself ;) |
| 23:22.37 | Nyle | asfixia: and you don't just want to upgrade the kernel |
| 23:22.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | themill, I wanted the dpi man |
| 23:22.49 | Nyle | you will need to probably install amd64 from scratch |
| 23:23.02 | Nyle | I don't think you can 'upgrade' from 32bit to 64bit |
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| 23:23.39 | azeem | Nyle: you can just upgrade the kernel |
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| 23:23.46 | azeem | that's better than reinstalling |
| 23:23.53 | Nyle | hm |
| 23:23.55 | pzn | I have two partitions needs, one of reliable data (I'll use raid1), one with size needs (using raid0) - for security camera ciclic images. in this case is it better to use lvms on top of raids or raids on top of lvms? I'm a lvm newbie |
| 23:23.57 | Nyle | I would like to know also |
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| 23:24.11 | asfixia | all: that's my problem, remote server with configured debian |
| 23:24.30 | themill | gonzaloaf_laptop: dpi = dots per inch = dots per millimetre * 25.4 = get a ruler and measure your screen and get a calculator.... |
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| 23:25.38 | asfixia | all: just want to know if it's safe to switch ONLY the kernel from 32 to 64 bits with the provided one in sid, then switch back the sources.list to etch for future packages to be in stable |
| 23:25.53 | azeem | sid is never safe |
| 23:26.09 | azeem | and you can't switch ONLY the kernel |
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| 23:26.12 | asfixia | stable kernel just won't work on a quad 2 core, as far as I could see |
| 23:26.24 | azeem | the package depends on the initramfs generator, which pulls in the new glibc, AFAIK |
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| 23:26.31 | asfixia | I'm actually using a sid 32bits kernel with etch distro |
| 23:26.56 | asfixia | azeem: i'll check that |
| 23:26.57 | Nyle | core 2 quad |
| 23:27.02 | Nyle | not quad 2 core |
| 23:27.06 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:27.26 | asfixia | Nyle: tx |
| 23:27.29 | FiendishFish | My computer keeps freezing, completely, resulting in me having to reset it, where would the error log be contained? |
| 23:27.45 | Nyle | FiendishFish: memtest it |
| 23:27.46 | Nyle | NOW |
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| 23:28.02 | FiendishFish | Nyle, how? |
| 23:28.04 | Nyle | FiendishFish: I bet its memory related |
| 23:28.05 | Nyle | !memtest |
| 23:28.05 | dpkg | somebody said memtest was http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn> |
| 23:28.18 | FiendishFish | Nyle, Do you think it could be because I'm trying to run an IRC bot I coded? |
| 23:28.24 | Nyle | your memory maybe be going bad |
| 23:28.39 | Nyle | FiendishFish: does the system freeze when you don't run that irc bot? |
| 23:28.41 | asfixia | all: no ne had to move a hardisk from a 32 bits to a 64 bits computer? and upgraded it? my problem is that is remote machine, can't play too much |
| 23:28.46 | FiendishFish | Nyle, I dunno yet. |
| 23:28.57 | FiendishFish | But how would a SIMPLE 40 line script, freeze a computer? |
| 23:28.58 | Nyle | FiendishFish: find out. don't run it, and stress test the system |
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| 23:29.11 | Nyle | FiendishFish: you can do a lot with 40 lines |
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| 23:31.32 | Nyle | uptime 2 days, no swap usage |
| 23:31.34 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 23:31.58 | FiendishFish | Nyle, memtest86+ is already the newest version. |
| 23:32.03 | FiendishFish | I tried which memtest86+ |
| 23:32.07 | FiendishFish | But it didn't find anything ;/ |
| 23:32.11 | Nyle | FiendishFish: you won't |
| 23:32.16 | moparisthebest | how would I tell what version of debian I have? |
| 23:32.17 | Nyle | FiendishFish: read the documentation on it |
| 23:32.28 | themill | moparisthebest: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:32.45 | moparisthebest | thanks themill :) |
| 23:32.46 | Nyle | (it should create an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst for memtest, which you should run instead of debian from the bootloader) |
| 23:32.50 | Nyle | FiendishFish: ^^ |
| 23:33.03 | FiendishFish | Nyle, ah. |
| 23:33.12 | FiendishFish | I think it must be the php script, because I haven't had another freeze. |
| 23:33.15 | FiendishFish | Nyle, Do you know any php? |
| 23:33.25 | Nyle | not for you. |
| 23:33.34 | Nyle | try #php |
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| 23:33.55 | Nyle | (nothing personal, I'm very tired) |
| 23:34.00 | FiendishFish | Heh, np. |
| 23:34.01 | moparisthebest | 4.0 is the latest version of debian right? |
| 23:34.05 | FiendishFish | Yep |
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| 23:34.20 | Nyle | moparisthebest: that is correct, latest stable |
| 23:34.21 | themill | !etch |
| 23:34.21 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 23:34.49 | moparisthebest | oh ok, maybe I should have looked at that before attempting to upgrade from sarge :/ |
| 23:34.55 | moparisthebest | either way, it worked |
| 23:35.02 | themill | !tell moparisthebest about sarge->etch |
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| 23:35.14 | Nyle | themill: you are too friggin' fast buddy |
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| 23:35.26 | themill | !win themill |
| 23:35.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:35.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:35.47 | moparisthebest | I just ended up doing 'aptitude dist-upgrade', hmmm |
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| 23:37.03 | AreidY | Has someone an idea how to fix that "Version"-Conflict? http://pastebin.com/m3fb7c0cd |
| 23:38.02 | abrotman | the actual error might be useful |
| 23:38.45 | Nyle | i see the same package in two versions |
| 23:39.03 | Nyle | AreidY: 4.0, 4.4... what exactly is the issue you are having? |
| 23:39.04 | AreidY | MP4Box Version of GPAC should display 0.4.4, but it says 0.4.0 |
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| 23:39.20 | abrotman | AreidY: according to what ? |
| 23:39.27 | Nyle | apt-cache policy mp4box |
| 23:39.31 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:39.38 | Nyle | find out |
| 23:39.47 | \amethyst | mp4box isn't a Debian package is it? |
| 23:39.53 | Nyle | not in main |
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| 23:39.59 | AreidY | MP4Box is in gpac |
| 23:40.22 | Nyle | is it? |
| 23:40.30 | Nyle | oh no wonder |
| 23:40.32 | AreidY | And gopac 0.4.4 is installed. But MP4Box is referencing gpac 0.4.0 |
| 23:40.56 | Nyle | !info gpac etch |
| 23:40.58 | \amethyst | AreidY: what does which MP4Box say? |
| 23:41.06 | \amethyst | Nyle: it's from debian-multimedia |
| 23:41.07 | themill | Nyle: this is all dmm stuff. |
| 23:41.10 | rcbarnes | I installed libc6-dbg and libc6-dev, and I built mplayer with --enable-debug=3, but my backtraces in 'gdb mplayer' ('which mplayer' shows I'm using the right one) still shows no symbol tables. I'm trying to get good info for a bug report, but these backtraces are useless. Can anyone help me? |
| 23:41.17 | snewp | hi, i got an error in my apache and when i try to access my website all i can see is plain white page, but i can see in the error log saying: # |
| 23:41.17 | snewp | [Tue Feb 19 05:14:59 2008] [notice] child pid 5437 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 23:41.22 | AreidY | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/m3fb7c0cd |
| 23:41.32 | Nyle | themill: yeh that is what I was figuring |
| 23:41.39 | Nyle | I had originally thought that due to mr. marillat |
| 23:41.40 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: sounds like it is being stripped |
| 23:41.48 | Nyle | but I wanted to be sure |
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| 23:42.02 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: how do I prevent that? I'm building mplayer from source. |
| 23:42.15 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: from the debian package? |
| 23:42.21 | \amethyst | debian source package |
| 23:42.22 | rcbarnes | no, from the site |
| 23:42.26 | themill | AreidY: it's possible that the mp4box program is just misreporting the version of the library it's using. |
| 23:42.37 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: no idea how their makefile is set up :( |
| 23:43.01 | ``y7 | in my protfpd manual, it says use -h for help, how do i do that though? "proftpd -h" doesn't work |
| 23:43.16 | rcbarnes | I can't imagine that when I specify --enable-debug it would still strip it, right? |
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| 23:43.39 | AreidY | themill: But the Programm is not working correctly according to the docs i read about it. And someone said to me 0.4.0 is buggy, go update. so i updated GPAC (Mp4Box is in gpac), but MP4Box still displays the old version |
| 23:44.02 | kb3llm | how do you start something as a user (i.e not root) automatically at startup (this is a server.. no x)? |
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| 23:44.52 | \amethyst | AreidY: what does which MP4box say? |
| 23:45.11 | jim | kb3llm: start-stop-daemon will start something as any user... but to alter anything about that process (like add something to do) will require root |
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| 23:45.16 | \amethyst | err, which MP4Box |
| 23:45.21 | AreidY | /usr/local/bin/MP4Box |
| 23:45.24 | Nyle | AreidY: jump off a bridge. |
| 23:45.26 | \amethyst | AreidY: that's the problem |
| 23:45.37 | \amethyst | AreidY: you're running the old version that you manually installed |
| 23:45.49 | \amethyst | AreidY: not the version from the debian-multimedia package, which is in /usr/bin |
| 23:45.51 | themill | AreidY: marillat's packages don't install into /usr/local/ |
| 23:45.52 | Nyle | see... see... not gonna do it are ya |
| 23:45.53 | AreidY | Nyle: And how can that be a solution? |
| 23:45.56 | Nyle | didn't think so. |
| 23:46.07 | Nyle | look up what bug it has before you decide to upgrade |
| 23:46.18 | AreidY | \amethyst: How can i choose which version he has to use? |
| 23:46.29 | kb3llm | jim, well i have root -- i just dont want it started as root.. so.. how would i do it? |
| 23:46.46 | Nyle | always be aware. |
| 23:46.50 | \amethyst | AreidY: run /usr/bin/MP4Box |
| 23:46.54 | jim | look at the man page for start-stop-daemon (this is a daemon right) |
| 23:47.10 | AreidY | \amethyst: Will try that |
| 23:47.10 | Nyle | I'm sorry that kinda sounded assholish, but I was trying to make a point |
| 23:47.10 | \amethyst | AreidY: or uninstall the version that you manually compiled (which might be tricky) |
| 23:47.23 | kb3llm | jim, yes |
| 23:47.24 | AreidY | \amethyst: I uninstalled it, i thought! |
| 23:47.35 | abrotman | wrong |
| 23:47.42 | jim | left |
| 23:47.48 | AreidY | \amethyst: I did: cd gpac / make clean / make uninstall / make clean / cd .. / rm -r gpac |
| 23:48.11 | \amethyst | AreidY: apparently make uninstall didn't work, then |
| 23:48.28 | themill | AreidY: then their "make uninstall" target is crap and you should file a bug with the upstream authors on that. |
| 23:48.34 | AreidY | /usr/local/bin/MP4Box -version |
| 23:48.34 | AreidY | MP4Box - GPAC version 0.4.0 |
| 23:48.34 | AreidY | GPAC Copyright: (c) Jean Le Feuvre 2000-2005 |
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| 23:48.50 | themill | !tell AreidY about paste |
| 23:48.51 | AreidY | argh, sry |
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| 23:49.37 | jim | AreidY, that might do it, might not... what you can try is run the make install and redirect all output to a file, and look at that file,,, the hope I'm thinking about is that file will tell you where everything it installed is |
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| 23:50.14 | spacix | How can I Set chmod 777 on a dir and all its sub files dirs? |
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| 23:50.22 | jim | man chmod |
| 23:50.26 | themill | spacix: you really don't want to do that |
| 23:50.27 | jim | it's right there |
| 23:50.27 | AreidY | jim: Uhmm... but i do not have the source, i downloaded the precompiled version |
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| 23:50.48 | peder_ | When I try to start X. (tried with just X, startx and gdm) the computer freezes. It makes a beep when it starts and just freezes. ctrl+alt+del doesnt work either. Neither does the window swopping (ctrl+alt+1 etc) |
| 23:50.59 | themill | AreidY: then what were you "make uninstall"ing on? |
| 23:51.13 | AreidY | On the old version |
| 23:51.33 | jim | AreidY: then I don't understand why make uninstall would ever work; you probably don't have even the makefile, not to mention the configure script and everything it generated |
| 23:52.11 | jim | so you installed a precompiled version... that what you said, right? |
| 23:52.32 | AreidY | I got the source of the old version, compiled etc and it was running. THEN deinstalled it for an upgrade |
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| 23:52.54 | jim | thats what I meant before |
| 23:53.07 | AreidY | The upgrade with precompiled |
| 23:53.14 | AreidY | jim: Now i cant follow you |
| 23:53.40 | jim | if you rerun the OLD version's make install, and redirect the err output of make into a file, you could look at that file |
| 23:54.17 | jim | it looks like this deinstaller thing didn't do the job |
| 23:54.35 | themill | They rarely do... |
| 23:54.39 | jim | true |
| 23:54.41 | mhall | What do I need to do to rebuild a Debian kernel source deb in such a way that the GCC on the system matches the GCC used to make the deb? |
| 23:54.53 | themill | mhall: not usually. |
| 23:54.54 | AreidY | OK ... And then delete all the files that installer produced manually? |
| 23:54.59 | themill | !wayttd mhall |
| 23:54.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mhall? |
| 23:55.01 | jim | install the gcc used to make the deb :) |
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| 23:55.16 | jim | wait, you're pullin my leg :) |
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| 23:55.35 | AreidY | jim: Was that to me? If yes, cant understand it |
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| 23:56.06 | jim | AreidY, some of it was |
| 23:56.18 | jim | AreidY, what does make do? |
| 23:56.29 | mhall | No kidding... but the trouble is, VMWare Tools is pissed because GCC 4.2 was replaced with 4.3, but the kernel deb was built with 4.2 and the kernel has not been upgraded since GCC has been upgraded to cause the needed rebuild to happen on its own. |
| 23:56.46 | mhall | So then it won't build 3/4ths of the VMWare Tools suite. |
| 23:56.49 | AreidY | jim: Dont know what you mean with that question |
| 23:56.49 | chronic1 | if i apply some patches to a source tree obtained by 'apt-get source <package>' why is dpkg-buildpackage not recognising the changes? when I compile the patched source via 'make' the changes are all good?? new to debian packaging |
| 23:57.09 | jim | what does make do, at its essence? |
| 23:57.37 | AreidY | compiling?! ... |
| 23:57.38 | \amethyst | mhall: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.3" make-kpkg perhaps |
| 23:57.40 | jim | ok, backtracking: do you program? |
| 23:58.02 | AreidY | ActionScript3 sometimes, not more |
| 23:58.03 | dkr | !source |
| 23:58.03 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us - uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 23:58.29 | jim | so you never use make to build your projects? |
| 23:58.48 | jim | because there is no building involved in your projects? |
| 23:58.49 | dkr | chronic1: put the patch in debian/patches for debuild to apply itself? |
| 23:58.56 | AreidY | Oh, used it the last few days often for installing, but normally im windows user. thas my problem |
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| 23:59.29 | jim | here is what make does: |
| 23:59.43 | themill | mhall: You can swear at the vmware installer and get it to finish off, or you can just install gcc-4.2, but you'll need to monkey around with which compiler the vmware scripts use. |
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