| 00:00.19 | AreidY | i thought svn is there to keep the source up to date? |
| 00:00.33 | jim | let's assume "all" means a program like helloworld |
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| 00:00.39 | AreidY | k |
| 00:00.47 | jim | so there is helloworld.c |
| 00:00.59 | jim | so: |
| 00:01.17 | themill | jim: you should try explaining cricket.... |
| 00:01.40 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.11 | jim | I haven't yet told you what it means to "bring up to date", be patient. but: do you understand more or less, so far? |
| 00:02.21 | AreidY | more |
| 00:02.28 | jim | ok, good. |
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| 00:03.24 | lindenle | !coldfire |
| 00:03.45 | lindenle | Anyone know if there is a debian coldfire port gor non MMU chips? |
| 00:03.55 | jim | let's assume that the way make knows that bringing "all" up to date means bringing "helloworld" up to date, is that there is a file called Makefile, with this line: |
| 00:04.06 | jim | all: helloworld |
| 00:05.15 | jim | and that we have to tell make how to bring helloworld up to date. |
| 00:05.38 | AreidY | So when i normaly typed "make" it assumed "make all"? |
| 00:05.38 | jim | we make that statement to the make by putting this next in the makefile: |
| 00:05.43 | jim | yes |
| 00:05.51 | AreidY | ok |
| 00:06.15 | mhall | weird... gcc is a hardcoded symlink not managed through /etc/alternatives system |
| 00:06.16 | jim | helloworld: helloworld.c |
| 00:06.37 | jim | (hit tab)cc helloworld.c -o helloworld |
| 00:06.42 | jim | those two lines. |
| 00:07.00 | themill | !tell mhall about vmware compiler fix |
| 00:07.33 | jim | the first line says: "helloworld DEPENDS-ON helloworld.c" |
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| 00:07.48 | themill | jim: to be pedantic, it's the first target that make uses (not "all") if no target is specified on the command line. Most people put "all" first to save surprises though. |
| 00:08.17 | AreidY | Ah.... depency. Got a lot of them forgpac, had to fix them one by one via hand. |
| 00:08.26 | jim | the second line says: "when it's time to bring that uptodate, run this command" |
| 00:08.41 | RichiH | pressing the power button on this laptop doesn't shut it down. i know the xev code, but i don't know where to save it to.. ideas? |
| 00:09.29 | jim | now, my question to you is: when you run make, how does it figure out whether to run the cc command, which brings helloworld up to date? |
| 00:10.02 | themill | !tell RichiH about keytouch |
| 00:10.05 | AreidY | It checks the makefile i guess |
| 00:10.48 | jim | yes, and so then it reads in the dependency... but let's say it's already doing that, and it's just now at the point in the process where it sees helloworld and helloworld.c |
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| 00:10.56 | jim | how does it know whether to run the cc |
| 00:11.02 | umuench | !tell umuench about sane |
| 00:11.13 | jim | it |
| 00:11.19 | themill | RichiH: normally, the power button generates an acpi event though... it might be worth checking the logs for ignored acpi events. |
| 00:11.25 | jim | it's simple, maybe you can guess it |
| 00:12.02 | AreidY | Its in theline of that makefile would be my first guess |
| 00:12.17 | AreidY | my second: It opens helloworld.c for additional info |
| 00:12.38 | jim | hint: when it sees that line, it looks at something about the helloworld file, and it looks at something about the helloworld.c file |
| 00:13.01 | jim | what could it be that it's looking at (another hint: it's not the content of the file) |
| 00:13.16 | AreidY | a makefile for helloworl.c ? |
| 00:13.24 | umuench | !tell umuench about jigdo |
| 00:13.42 | jim | well ok, so this is a really oversimple example |
| 00:14.10 | themill | !tell umuench about selftell |
| 00:14.48 | jim | AreidY: say you're editing a file in emacs |
| 00:15.02 | jim | you screw up, you realize this after saving |
| 00:15.10 | AreidY | Dont know emacs. Used vi to edit files |
| 00:15.12 | jim | there is a backup file... |
| 00:15.21 | AreidY | k |
| 00:15.21 | jim | emacs makes it, |
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| 00:15.55 | jim | how would you know for sure if the backup is the last thing that was saved? |
| 00:15.56 | shib | vi pwns emacs true story |
| 00:16.07 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 00:16.09 | peterS | shib: yes but vi doesn't work for his example |
| 00:16.09 | shib | :P |
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| 00:16.15 | Nyle | vi sucks more than emacs does |
| 00:16.21 | Nyle | nano ftw! now shush. |
| 00:16.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:16.26 | AreidY | manually? ls -l and checking the timestamp |
| 00:16.31 | jim | YES |
| 00:16.32 | shib | i like to stir the pot |
| 00:16.41 | jim | guess what make does :) |
| 00:16.42 | peterS | shib: you and Nyle should talk about pot sometime |
| 00:16.44 | Nyle | shib: my boot likes to stir some ass |
| 00:16.50 | Nyle | peterS: no mean |
| 00:16.50 | AreidY | .. Checking timestamps?! |
| 00:16.51 | themill | peterS: vim makes backup files :) |
| 00:16.51 | Nyle | man* |
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| 00:16.53 | shib | I also enjoy pot petemc |
| 00:16.55 | shib | peterS, |
| 00:16.57 | peterS | themill: he didn't say vim |
| 00:17.06 | Nyle | peterS: how you gonna go around tellin people my bidnus dawg |
| 00:17.13 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:17.21 | jim | right again. |
| 00:17.23 | jim | so: |
| 00:17.30 | shib | Nyle, ganga... sensimillia... nawmean? *wink* |
| 00:17.35 | jim | say you have the Makefile and helloworld.c in a dir |
| 00:17.43 | Nyle | mhmm |
| 00:17.49 | jim | you run make, |
| 00:17.54 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 00:17.58 | Nyle | so far so good |
| 00:18.00 | jim | make sees no helloworld |
| 00:18.04 | jim | so it runs the cc |
| 00:18.08 | jim | with me so far? |
| 00:18.12 | AreidY | yes |
| 00:18.12 | Nyle | go on |
| 00:18.26 | jim | you run make again... |
| 00:18.32 | jim | and it DOES NOT run the cc. |
| 00:18.33 | jim | why? |
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| 00:18.53 | AreidY | Because the timestamp is too old? |
| 00:19.02 | chendo[work] | Really noob question, but how do I install an experimental version of a package? |
| 00:19.05 | RichiH | themill: true, it registers the press |
| 00:19.09 | RichiH | stupid crap |
| 00:19.20 | shib | -dev |
| 00:19.22 | jim | right, specifically, because helloworld is NEWER than helloworld |
| 00:19.25 | jim | err oops |
| 00:19.26 | themill | chendo[work]: if you have to ask, you shouldn't do it. |
| 00:19.28 | jim | right, specifically, because helloworld is NEWER than helloworld.c |
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| 00:19.49 | chendo[work] | themill, well, I'm comfortable with running experimental versions of certain packages |
| 00:20.03 | shib | chendo[work], -dev |
| 00:20.08 | shib | wget-dev |
| 00:20.40 | chendo[work] | ? |
| 00:20.40 | chendo[work] | Ah |
| 00:20.40 | shib | yourass-dev |
| 00:20.40 | themill | RichiH: an appropriate script in /etc/acpi might help you... some evens have recently been renamed. |
| 00:20.40 | peterS | shib: try and be constructive, please |
| 00:20.40 | themill | *events |
| 00:20.40 | jim | so if helloworld is newer than helloworld.c, then, according to the dependency rules you put in the makefile, it's up to date |
| 00:20.40 | shib | it's a program I made |
| 00:20.40 | jim | understand that part? |
| 00:20.40 | shib | never published it though |
| 00:20.42 | abrotman | !tell shib about enter |
| 00:20.49 | chendo[work] | shib, so.. what happens when the package doesn't exist with -dev on the end? |
| 00:20.53 | themill | chendo[work]: you can't just cherrypick a few packages from "experimental" though. |
| 00:20.53 | chendo[work] | The package in question is nginx |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | chendo[work]: ignore him |
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| 00:21.03 | chendo[work] | Oh. |
| 00:21.07 | AreidY | i think so. |
| 00:21.24 | abrotman | chendo[work]: installing stuff from experimental is usually considered a pretty bad idea unless you're pretty good with debian |
| 00:21.24 | chendo[work] | So..... |
| 00:21.29 | jim | ok, one more example. |
| 00:21.30 | abrotman | and linux in general |
| 00:21.34 | chendo[work] | I just want the latest nginx :/ |
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| 00:21.45 | jim | you edit helloworld.c, you make a change and you save the file. |
| 00:21.46 | abrotman | like that time i tried to use init-ng .. and my computer wouldn't boot anymore :) |
| 00:21.56 | AreidY | (= new timestamp?) |
| 00:22.00 | jim | which is newer, helloworld.c or helloworld? |
| 00:22.09 | AreidY | helloworld.c |
| 00:22.18 | jim | right, the timestamp gets updated. |
| 00:22.32 | themill | chendo[work]: There's usually a reason that things haven't even been uploaded into unstable and are still sitting in experimental. |
| 00:22.32 | AreidY | so if i run make again it will take helloworld.c |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | chendo[work]: here's the rub .. that package in experimental requires packages that are not in etch |
| 00:22.34 | AreidY | ? |
| 00:22.45 | peterS | it will assume that helloworld needs to be recompiled, yes |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | chendo[work]: including libc6 .. which is pretty major |
| 00:22.52 | chendo[work] | :/ |
| 00:22.53 | jim | so make sees that helloworld is out of date |
| 00:22.55 | chendo[work] | Damn |
| 00:22.58 | jim | and it will run the cc |
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| 00:23.18 | abrotman | chendo[work]: you could try using the source package ... |
| 00:23.32 | abrotman | chendo[work]: and 0.5.xx is in etch-backports |
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| 00:23.49 | chendo[work] | abrotman, so... how do I install using that? |
| 00:23.52 | chendo[work] | Never really used debian before |
| 00:23.52 | jim | so now you know what make does. |
| 00:24.05 | AreidY | Yeah : ) |
| 00:24.06 | abrotman | chendo[work]: using which ? |
| 00:24.14 | chendo[work] | apt-get? |
| 00:24.16 | AreidY | Thanks for that explanation! |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | chendo[work]: using etch-backports? |
| 00:24.22 | chendo[work] | Man, I'll just compile from source |
| 00:24.30 | chendo[work] | Yeah? |
| 00:24.42 | abrotman | chendo[work]: /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructions at the website .. it's fairly easy |
| 00:24.47 | peterS | the package description for nginx is pretty neat. it tells us that it was "kindly provided to the open-source community". |
| 00:24.54 | peterS | gee, I wouldn't have guessed that from the fact that it's in Debian |
| 00:25.04 | chendo[work] | I see |
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| 00:25.24 | abrotman | peterS: "it was violently provided" ? |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | grudgingly ? |
| 00:25.39 | AreidY | jim: According to the actuall problem (2 Versions of gpac), i can run makle and let make take the decision what to use? |
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| 00:25.48 | peterS | pried out of someone's cold dead fingers? |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | that's how the description for qmail will read "DJB got bored and grudgingly gave it a 'better' license" |
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| 00:26.42 | themill | abrotman: is it in backports? (it's not in my list) |
| 00:26.45 | jim | now the truth is, that some makes (gnu make is like this) have some built in rules... one of those rules says how to build a .o from a .c and how to build an executable whose name is the same as the basename of the .c |
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| 00:26.54 | abrotman | themill: which ? |
| 00:27.08 | themill | nginx |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | themill: http://packages.debian.org/nginx |
| 00:27.11 | peterS | AreidY: make is good at calculating dependencies based on what you tell it, and running commands that you provide in the makefile. that's all it does though. if you need it to know how to handle complex compilations, you have to put that stuff in the makefile |
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| 00:27.14 | abrotman | oh .. only for amd64 |
| 00:27.17 | LV-426 | ##java |
| 00:27.24 | LV-426 | oops. |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | chendo[work]: it's only in etch-backports for amd64 |
| 00:27.31 | abrotman | chendo[work]: are you on amd64 ? |
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| 00:27.44 | chendo[work] | No clue, it's dual xeons though |
| 00:27.45 | abrotman | themill: what a PoS package :) |
| 00:27.48 | chendo[work] | It's okay, just gonna compile from source |
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| 00:27.54 | abrotman | chendo[work]: dpkg-architecture .. what does it say ? |
| 00:28.17 | peterS | from the Depends line, I'm guessing it's a "trivial backport" though |
| 00:28.19 | chendo[work] | lol... i386 |
| 00:28.40 | RichiH | themill: if i don't talk anz more, it worked |
| 00:28.43 | RichiH | thanks :) |
| 00:28.47 | AreidY | peterS: Making a new makefile for my special Problem with gpac would be a bit too complex for me, i thought of using the makefile that gpac provides |
| 00:28.54 | jim | that's probably better because the compiler works more often in the i386 arcg |
| 00:28.56 | themill | RichiH: np... good luck with it ;) |
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| 00:29.13 | rokra | what is the difference between the netinst and the businesscard? |
| 00:29.27 | jim | I'm looking for RME hdsp card owners, to ask them for opinions |
| 00:29.28 | AreidY | jim: So that build in rules could caused that problem? |
| 00:29.41 | jim | maybe |
| 00:29.54 | peterS | rokra: the businesscard was originally supposed to fit in 50 MB so you could burn it to a business-card-shaped CD. the difference is that you have to download some of the installation components at install time. the netinst only needs a network connection after the base system is installed. |
| 00:30.15 | jim | but certainly you knowing how make works, causes you to be better at seeing what's wrong |
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| 00:30.34 | AreidY | Then my next best option is to give running make again a shot? But where do i find that makefile for gpac? The old version is deleted, the new version was installed via apt-get |
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| 00:31.22 | jim | so if you have the old source, the thing to do is rebuild it using make |
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| 00:31.55 | jim | and then run make install, and redirect output meant for stdout and stderr into a file |
| 00:32.07 | jim | maybe it will show all the files it installed |
| 00:32.16 | AreidY | I deleted the source. Following question: When i download them again they would have a new timestamp, then make would assume they are neweer then the new version that is installed, correct? |
| 00:32.21 | jim | and -maybe- it will show you where each is |
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| 00:32.47 | jim | well the thing is there will be intermediate files that are missing |
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| 00:32.58 | jim | so it will run the full make again |
| 00:33.04 | themill | jim: you're a hero of the revolution. Good work. |
| 00:33.28 | jim | told you guys I do good work :P |
| 00:33.36 | jim | thanks themill ;) |
| 00:33.45 | themill | !pony jim |
| 00:33.51 | rokra | peterS: ok ths so I need the netinst :) |
| 00:33.59 | AreidY | Mmmmh..... And when i know where every file is (of the old version), i dont tink i could just delete them right? |
| 00:34.06 | peterS | rokra: yeah I never download the businesscard format, I always use netinst |
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| 00:34.23 | jim | and everyone and their brother the op wants to ban me because I explain things a little differently than they do... maybe that's due to my 30 years of exp... |
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| 00:38.31 | rokra | peterS: okok , I m trying to simulate a hardware failure on disk 1using raid1 with debian |
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| 00:38.40 | rokra | peterS: to see recovery procedure |
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| 00:39.54 | whitehat | hello.I'm racking my brain on this one.I'm trying to setup password-less access between win->linux.I've copied the pub key generated in cygwin to authorized_keys on the linux box. yet I continue to get prompted for password. ideas? |
| 00:39.58 | Nostahl | what do i open programs like second life with? for some reason it auto set it up to run just as a text file? |
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| 00:40.46 | jim | whitehat: not pass -phrase-? |
| 00:40.52 | S4nD3r | Finally I got to install linux again. |
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| 00:41.08 | whitehat | jim: no pass phrase |
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| 00:41.18 | S4nD3r | I just got to install ubuntu... Iwas not possible to install lenny from netdisk |
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| 00:41.35 | S4nD3r | I had problem to install grub from netdisk lenny..... |
| 00:41.43 | jim | S4nD3r: so install etch from netinstall, then upgrade to lenny |
| 00:42.02 | jim | (not sure why you want lenny instead of etch tho) |
| 00:42.10 | rokra | whitehat: what is the permission on file? |
| 00:43.06 | jim | whitehat: if it asks for passWORD instead of passPHRASE, it's not seeing the key |
| 00:43.32 | jim | oh wait, you want to log in from what to what? |
| 00:43.48 | whitehat | rokra: 644 on authorized_keys |
| 00:43.50 | jim | (still, previous is true) |
| 00:43.58 | S4nD3r | the problem is in grub |
| 00:43.59 | rokra | whitehat: on the id_dsa? |
| 00:44.13 | S4nD3r | this is impossible to install on my HD... I dont know why |
| 00:44.30 | whitehat | rokra: 600 on id_rsa and 644 on id_rsa.pub on the dest machine |
| 00:44.33 | jim | what about grub is the problem? |
| 00:44.52 | jim | can we name these machines? the dest is named what? |
| 00:44.59 | S4nD3r | Now, I installed Ubuntu. Ubuntu got install grub on HD, but this takes almost 5 minutes to load grub |
| 00:45.00 | whitehat | rokra: which are the same permissions I have set on another linux box where it's working |
| 00:45.03 | rokra | whitehat: and your are the owner of the id_rsa? |
| 00:45.54 | whitehat | rokra: yes the user.group on the authorized_keys, id_rsa and id_rsa.pub on the dest machine (linux) are all set to the logged in user of that account |
| 00:45.57 | S4nD3r | I will upgrade from ubuntu to lenny!! |
| 00:46.14 | jim | wht happens when you try to install etch |
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| 00:46.31 | rokra | whitehat: try : ssh user@machine -1 |
| 00:46.33 | whitehat | rokra: the dir permission is 700 for .shh |
| 00:46.49 | S4nD3r | a message that is not possible to install grub |
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| 00:46.54 | S4nD3r | error on /target/ |
| 00:47.20 | whitehat | rokra: is that a one at the end? |
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| 00:47.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 00:47.44 | whitehat | rokra: I use ssh -l <user> <ipaddress> |
| 00:47.48 | rokra | whitehat: I think I m saying stupid thing wiat I m checking |
| 00:47.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a simple way to dump an iso from a CD in a drive? |
| 00:48.13 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe cat /dev/cdrom >file.iso |
| 00:48.15 | Kevin` | simpe |
| 00:48.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Oh, thanks |
| 00:48.25 | riot | uh, since my last kernel-upgrade, mount -t smbfs claims that smbfs were not supported by my kernel?! i'm running 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 00:48.30 | Kevin` | readcd dev=/dev/cdrom -vv -f file.iso - better error recovery |
| 00:48.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Is it that simple to get it ISO9660 compatible? :o |
| 00:49.16 | whitehat | riot: mount -t cifs .... |
| 00:49.27 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe it will have whatever filesystem the cd originaly had. since windows users use cds, it will be iso9660 compatible with a few extensions =p |
| 00:49.28 | riot | oh, thanks.. |
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| 00:49.35 | riot | whitehat: i missed the rename, as it seems :) |
| 00:49.48 | rokra | whitehat: authorized_keys should be 600 |
| 00:49.58 | S4nD3r | Its so strange.... |
| 00:50.06 | S4nD3r | 5 minutes to load grub menu !!! |
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| 00:50.07 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe but yes, simple. |
| 00:50.19 | Kevin` | bbl |
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| 00:50.39 | rokra | whitehat: is ti working? |
| 00:51.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Thanks, dude :) |
| 00:51.05 | ginoman | I have panic problems..... my computer has panic attacks at random times |
| 00:51.13 | whitehat | rokra: I know it works with perm of 644 because it is working on another test machine with 644 for authorized_keys |
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| 00:52.58 | S4nD3r | How solve it ?W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 00:53.10 | rokra | whitehat: try with -1 argument |
| 00:53.40 | whitehat | rokra: I did. it said. protocl major version differ: 1 vs. 2 |
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| 00:54.26 | whitehat | rokra: said remote protocol was 2.0 |
| 00:54.31 | rokra | okok |
| 00:54.33 | whitehat | rokra: i.e. the debian box |
| 00:54.43 | chendo[work] | I'm getting errors on a package that I have uninstalled every time I install or remove a package |
| 00:54.55 | chendo[work] | It's trying to set up a package that doesn't exist anymore |
| 00:54.59 | rokra | I woulg change the permission of the authorized keys to be sure to 600 |
| 00:55.10 | rokra | whitehat: http://www.sshkeychain.org/mirrors/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO-4.html |
| 00:55.41 | whitehat | rokra: I've been wading through docs all day :-( |
| 00:56.02 | Tramp | whitehat: what is the permission on your $HOME? |
| 00:56.02 | rokra | whitehat: hihihi |
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| 00:57.16 | S4nD3r | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 00:57.19 | S4nD3r | how solve this error ?? |
| 00:57.21 | whitehat | Tramp: 755 |
| 00:57.35 | S4nD3r | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:57.41 | S4nD3r | This didnt resolv |
| 00:58.25 | Tramp | whitehat: ok. then permissions should be fine. Run ssh with options -vv and pastebin the output |
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| 00:58.49 | whitehat | Tramp: yes. I've been running with -vvvv |
| 00:59.10 | RyanRyan52 | S4nD3r: download http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-multimedia-keyring_2007.02.14_all.deb |
| 00:59.31 | RyanRyan52 | and "sudo dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2007.02.14_all.deb" |
| 01:00.03 | rokra | whitehat: have you tried with the option -i .ssh/id_rsa in order to give him the key |
| 01:00.06 | Tramp | whitehat: well, that's 2v's too many. But anyways. Without seeing the output I will not be able to help you. |
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| 01:00.37 | whitehat | rokra: haven't tried that |
| 01:01.32 | whitehat | rokra: debug indicates it's looking at identity,id_rsa or id_dsa. it found id_rsa and sent the public key |
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| 01:02.58 | voltagex | hi, is there any way to run a debian install completely over ssh - i.e. on a headless box? |
| 01:03.21 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: No way to do it completely... |
| 01:03.40 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: You can start it and do a few steps to get it to the point of remote install |
| 01:03.58 | Strogg | I was wondering if there's anyone that can give me some monitor help? I've got an acer1916w and I can't get it to display in 1440x900 like it should be able to. How do I find out what resolutions my videocard will support? |
| 01:04.17 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: were u the person who wanted that one python thing in etch? Did u get it to work? I think I might have a working backport now... |
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| 01:04.28 | S4nD3r | RyanRyan52: thank you very much |
| 01:04.31 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: no, didn't get it to work |
| 01:04.33 | S4nD3r | now I will install lenny !!! |
| 01:04.39 | ``y7 | when i use 'man proftpd -v' it shows me all the settings, but then it has -C as confgure and i type 'man proftpd -C' and it shows me the same list. where am i going wrong? |
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| 01:05.14 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: one moment... |
| 01:06.40 | jim | ``y7: man doesn't work that way |
| 01:06.49 | y7 | how does it work? |
| 01:07.02 | y7 | i go into man proftp and it tells me to use -v for settings |
| 01:07.07 | jim | man proftpd |
| 01:07.07 | voltagex | y7: just man proftpd |
| 01:07.15 | jim | and then you read it :) |
| 01:07.19 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: add "deb http://rsn.no-ip.org:8000/test/ etch/" to your sources.list, install it, and then remove that from your sources.list (it has other crap too). It might work, I can't test it cause I don't know python :P |
| 01:07.19 | y7 | i did that, and it told me -v for settings |
| 01:07.43 | voltagex | yes, proftpd -v on the command line. |
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| 01:07.59 | y7 | y7deluxe@debian:/var/www$ proftpd -V |
| 01:07.59 | y7 | -bash: proftpd: command not found |
| 01:08.28 | jim | not good to (possibly) let the proftpd thing flood like that |
| 01:08.41 | y7 | what do you mean? |
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| 01:08.54 | jim | the ops will be sad, you'll be sad... |
| 01:08.56 | jim | sad! |
| 01:09.00 | Strogg | Anyone got any idea why I have no mouse cursor in X? even though there's a mouse and it's detected and useable ? |
| 01:09.19 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:09.20 | y7 | 2 lines = spam? |
| 01:09.25 | jim | no |
| 01:09.35 | DawnLight | Strogg: how is it usable if there's no cursor? |
| 01:09.35 | Nyle | thats not what he said |
| 01:09.38 | jim | it's not, but it could have been if you weren't watching :) |
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| 01:09.59 | Strogg | DawnLight: I can see different windows raising when I move the mouse around |
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| 01:10.04 | y7 | i see. so why doesn't proftpd -V work? |
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| 01:10.08 | Strogg | DawnLight: so I know that it works.. I just can't see the cursor |
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| 01:10.15 | DawnLight | Strogg: etch? |
| 01:10.18 | jim | is it -v or -V |
| 01:10.29 | y7 | -v = version, -V = settings |
| 01:10.32 | DawnLight | jim: rtfm |
| 01:10.39 | jim | what does the message say? |
| 01:10.39 | Strogg | DawnLight: if etch is testing, then yes |
| 01:10.48 | y7 | -bash: proftpd: command not found |
| 01:10.58 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: mind if I mirror that to my server? |
| 01:11.05 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: I do not care |
| 01:11.14 | DawnLight | Strogg: etch is stable. testing is not for users who do not know how to debug the cursor |
| 01:11.17 | jim | DawnLight: I'm not being the user... so I don't have to rtfm, he does |
| 01:11.19 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: what's your upstream bandwidth? |
| 01:11.29 | DawnLight | jim: tell him that |
| 01:11.30 | RyanRyan52 | 1.8kbps-ish |
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| 01:11.33 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: if it works please let me no and I'll see if I can get it into backports... |
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| 01:11.55 | Strogg | DawnLight: no.. unstable is for users that don't know how to debug a cursor.. |
| 01:11.58 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: I was going to wget -r that so the repository works |
| 01:11.59 | Strogg | but thanks for your help |
| 01:12.00 | RyanRyan52 | err, 1.8mbps-ish |
| 01:12.23 | jim | DawnLight: I'm hearing you say you want me to tell him to rtfm... |
| 01:12.26 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex, 1.8mpbs-ish, okay |
| 01:12.53 | DawnLight | jim: i'm getting confused |
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| 01:13.14 | DawnLight | someone needs to rtfm. maybe it's me |
| 01:13.15 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: ok |
| 01:13.19 | jim | oh, I'm trying to discover why you want that |
| 01:13.33 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: I'll tell you if that package works as soon as I find blueproximity again |
| 01:13.45 | y7 | so does anybody know how i can view the proftpd settings since 'proftpd -V' doesn't work? |
| 01:13.53 | Tramp | jim: if you'd prefix your statements with the nick of the person you're talking to, you help to minimize confusion |
| 01:14.00 | DawnLight | he asked you a trivial question that should be replied with rtfm |
| 01:14.14 | DawnLight | or rather you did |
| 01:14.18 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: okay, thanks |
| 01:14.18 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: got 403 forbidden on a few of those packages |
| 01:14.20 | DawnLight | but... never mind |
| 01:14.41 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: aaahhhh!!! 1 minute.... |
| 01:15.27 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: fixed... |
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| 01:15.36 | AreidY | jim: Thanks for the explanation... now i got it to work |
| 01:15.52 | Tramp | y7: it doesn't work probably, because it's in /sbin and thus not in your path. This also means that you're not root, which may or may not be ok, depending on what exactly you are trying to do |
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| 01:17.28 | y7 | Tramp, sudoing to root worked. thanks. |
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| 01:18.06 | jim | DawnLight, the thing is I had no idea whether he was aware what switches did what... it was right in that moment when we were all sorta confused and posting then, during that, he made it clear he did know... (the issue is different tho, back then I wanted to see whether it would be possible to get him to understand... I thought the message he got back was clear, but evidently not) |
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| 01:18.46 | DawnLight | jim: man, just let it go. help him, though. |
| 01:19.18 | jim | at the moment I'm trying to see what your needs are |
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| 01:21.36 | jim | y7: I'm wondering if you'd be willing to read the message you got back from trying to run proftpd -V to see whether you can see what the current problem is |
| 01:22.00 | rokra | how to install raid1 with debian? I can use entire disk or I need a partition /boot spearated? |
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| 01:22.23 | y7 | jim, it didn't give me any message back |
| 01:22.30 | y7 | it just told me the command didn't exist |
| 01:23.07 | jim | ahh... right, that message |
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| 01:23.50 | jim | but it's -almost- that the command doesn't exist, but not quite... |
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| 01:24.07 | jim | it's really the command couldn't be found in the defined $PATH |
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| 01:24.29 | jim | but why would that be? |
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| 01:26.24 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: package seems to work |
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| 01:27.03 | RyanRyan52 | Yay! |
| 01:27.26 | jim | y7, ahh... right, that message |
| 01:27.41 | jim | y7, but it's -almost- that the command doesn't exist, but not quite... |
| 01:27.55 | jim | y7, it's really the command couldn't be found in the defined $PATH |
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| 01:29.13 | Tramp | jim: we were thankfully able to resolve that. As a daemon in resides in (/usr)/sbin, which is not in a user's $PATH. As root he was fine. |
| 01:30.02 | jim | I was hoping to get him to think that thru, but good enuf |
| 01:30.07 | y7 | jim: well once i used sudo, the cmd worked fine |
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| 01:30.35 | y7 | Tramp: so when i use sudo, it changes the path? |
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| 01:31.34 | jim | yes, the path is implemented as a variable called PATH, which there is a (different) copy of in each process's environment |
| 01:31.41 | Tramp | y7: Well, aeh, yes. As root you have a different PATH. Are you sure you want to setup an FTP server? |
| 01:32.06 | jim | hmm, yes, that's another issue |
| 01:32.53 | Tramp | y7: Maybe you first want to read a bit about the general concepts of Unix? /msg dpkg grounding will give you some starting points |
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| 01:35.51 | Nyle | hi guys |
| 01:36.13 | dvs | booo! |
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| 01:36.40 | jim | j00 werd ju57 h3r3 |
| 01:36.52 | jim | but hi anyway :) |
| 01:37.07 | Nyle | apt-get install maturity |
| 01:37.09 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | pot/kettle |
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| 01:45.57 | rdz | how can i find out how the swiss german keymap is called? |
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| 01:46.14 | rdz | is there a way i can list all available keymap layouts? |
| 01:46.27 | dvs | ch_DE? ;-) |
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| 01:47.08 | rdz | dvs, however, i just found out, that just 'ch' seems to work ok |
| 01:47.28 | abrotman | swiss german ? |
| 01:47.34 | dvs | abrotman: yup |
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| 01:51.43 | Tramp | rdz: swiss-german is de_CH |
| 01:52.31 | aspect | I just installed squashfs-modules-2.6.18-6, which pulled in linux-image-2.6.18-6 .. cause I'm currently running 2.6.18-4. But the rest of my modules didn't get upgraded -- how do I upgrade them without installing the lot by hand? |
| 01:52.40 | aspect | (etch, in case you didn't guess) |
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| 01:53.02 | abrotman | what other modules? |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | aspect: your kernel is out of date |
| 01:53.50 | aspect | hm looks like ipw2100 is the only other package matching *-modules-2.6.18-4 |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | !info ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-5-686 etch |
| 01:54.18 | aspect | abrotman: I don't have a problem with an out of date kernel .. I'd install the out of date squashfs if I could find it |
| 01:54.38 | abrotman | aspect: your kenrel is subject to a very serious security issue |
| 01:54.42 | aspect | that's -4 to -6 |
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| 01:54.54 | abrotman | well .. |
| 01:54.55 | aspect | vmsplice is local only, I'm truly not concerned about that here |
| 01:55.03 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 01:55.03 | dpkg | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 01:59.25 | FilipeMendes | how do i do an exact match with sed s/match/replace/ ? |
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| 02:00.23 | RyanRyan52 | FilipeMendes: that should do it...I don't think I understand what you mean...what? |
| 02:00.59 | Xenguy | FilipeMendes: maybe 'g' on the end? |
| 02:01.04 | FilipeMendes | RyanRyan52 lets say i have a file with lines like: abc abcd and abcdf... i want to sed/abc/xxx/ -i file |
| 02:01.10 | aspect | abrotman: thanks for the help. I'll upgrade my kernel when I reboot, but for now I have squashfs :-) |
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| 02:01.14 | FilipeMendes | this would affect all lines i guess.. i want to affect only the exact line |
| 02:01.22 | FilipeMendes | Xenguy sed s/abc/xxx/g then? |
| 02:01.40 | Xenguy | FilipeMendes: yeah that looks right |
| 02:01.43 | FilipeMendes | thanks! |
| 02:01.58 | Xenguy | FilipeMendes: test it first before you say that :-) |
| 02:02.02 | FilipeMendes | lol |
| 02:02.41 | Xenguy | FilipeMendes: most of us just follow our noses most of the time - at least I know I'm no walking encyclopedia, heh |
| 02:02.42 | aspect | /g on sed? |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | why not? |
| 02:03.05 | Xenguy | aspect: I'd have to check to be sure |
| 02:03.07 | aspect | oh wait, ignore me. But it doesn't do what you want :-) |
| 02:03.30 | aspect | s/^foo$/bar will match an exact line |
| 02:03.53 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | i think he wanted to match one particular line .. not if it was the whole line ? |
| 02:04.26 | FilipeMendes | lets say i want to match ABC... if some line starts with ABCXXX then it should be ignored |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | FilipeMendes: but what if it is ABCXYZ ? |
| 02:05.25 | FilipeMendes | it should be ignored.. it should match only exact ABC |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | or if it is CBAABC ? |
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| 02:05.37 | abrotman | so the entire line is ABC ? |
| 02:05.39 | FilipeMendes | CBAABC should be ignored too |
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| 02:05.45 | FilipeMendes | the entire line must be ABC |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | then yes .. s/^ABC$/XYZ/ |
| 02:06.01 | FilipeMendes | cool, thanks! |
| 02:06.11 | abrotman | FilipeMendes: or ask #sed |
| 02:06.20 | FilipeMendes | wow |
| 02:06.25 | FilipeMendes | sed has a channel |
| 02:06.25 | FilipeMendes | hehe |
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| 02:09.03 | karsten | FilipeMendes: That's the good news. |
| 02:09.16 | karsten | FilipeMendes: The bad news, is you that you can only communicate using one-letter codes. |
| 02:09.24 | Xenguy | .oO(yes, remnants of the golden age still existed in arcane forums such as #sed! :-) |
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| 02:11.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:13.33 | rokra | hi |
| 02:13.37 | rokra | he ho |
| 02:15.35 | Dewi | is there an easy way to parse system or apache dates with, say, perl? |
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| 02:15.58 | Dewi | "20/Feb/2008:11:17:48 +1000" or "Wed Feb 20 12:15:13 EST 2008" strike me as absolutely horrible to parse |
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| 02:16.35 | Dewi | timezones identified by ambiguous names... months named instead of numbered... |
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| 02:17.06 | Dewi | being unable to do maths or even sorting with these dates is debilitating... anyone got a good approach to them? |
| 02:17.29 | karsten | Dewi: What do you want to do with them? |
| 02:17.33 | Dewi | in fact it's hard to even get the current time in a simple format other than epoch |
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| 02:17.57 | karsten | Dewi: #perl might be a better place to ask. |
| 02:18.04 | Dewi | karsten: at the moment, I want to measure how long ago "20/Feb/2008:11:17:48 +1000" was, but this is a general problem I have with dates |
| 02:18.38 | karsten | Dewi: Alternatively, just punt on shell with 'date': date -d 'Feb 24, 2007 EST' +%s |
| 02:19.27 | karsten | Dewi: It doesn't like the value you just tossed out, mind. |
| 02:19.49 | Dewi | karsten: no... that was from apache. But at least it seems to handle the dates linux itself generates |
| 02:20.34 | karsten | Dewi: If you turn it around a bit it works: date -d '11:17:48 +100 20 Feb 2008' +%s |
| 02:21.04 | Dewi | karsten: is it specified anywhere what 'date' is meant to accept? |
| 02:21.19 | karsten | Dewi: info document, sorta, or RTFS. |
| 02:21.20 | Dewi | karsten: 'described by string' isn't very specific documentation :P |
| 02:21.45 | karsten | Dewi: Feh, ye of little faith. |
| 02:21.48 | Dewi | oh, info pages. I wish I could find my way around that. |
| 02:22.23 | Dewi | is there a way to go back to what I previously was looking at in info? |
| 02:22.26 | karsten | Dewi: info () { /usr/bin/info $1 2>/dev/null | ${PAGER:-less}; } |
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| 02:22.53 | karsten | Dewi: Redefine info in a bash function to parse everything to one page and dump to less. |
| 02:22.55 | prey_alone | which dependencies do users need to run Glade-based programs? i'm setting up my first .deb package. |
| 02:23.42 | Dewi | karsten: so it drops the awkward UI if it's not talking to a terminal... I'll remember that |
| 02:23.48 | Dewi | karsten: thanks for all your help |
| 02:23.52 | karsten | Dewi: NP. |
| 02:24.00 | karsten | Dewi: Info sucks, yes. |
| 02:24.41 | Dewi | karsten: that seems to be the consensus even here, in the GNU-est place I know :P |
| 02:25.18 | Nyle | ganoo |
| 02:26.07 | karsten | Dewi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/12/msg04016.html |
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| 02:31.42 | Dewi | karsten: there should be a cgi/php script I can run that just provides all man/info on my system to me, in html |
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| 02:32.02 | karsten | Dewi: aptitude install dwww |
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| 02:36.11 | Dewi | karsten: oh wow, that's more than just another converter. Nice :) |
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| 02:36.57 | karsten | -) |
| 02:37.01 | karsten | ;-) even. |
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| 02:38.41 | jim | oh yeah, I remember dwww |
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| 02:48.16 | thorat | in Iceweasel (Firefox) some web pages have ugly, bitmapped fonts. How can I figure out what font is used and/or there is a package with a better alternative antialiased font which I should install? |
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| 02:48.30 | thorat | s/there/if there/ |
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| 02:50.38 | thorat | ok, I'll do that, thx |
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| 02:52.04 | thorat | I wish there was a good metapackage with such dependencies though. |
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| 02:54.09 | abrotman | !tell jerry22 about away |
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| 03:01.58 | thorat | nevyn: I removed xfonts-100dpi and it fixed the page I was viewing. |
| 03:02.41 | thorat | it seems that if one has bitmapped fonts installed, they may take precedance over the antialiased ones. |
| 03:02.46 | dewey | hello BaD_CrC |
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| 03:07.08 | thorat | *precedence |
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| 03:33.55 | shyam_k | hi how to access default applications in our program..like how can i start the default browser (whether its epiphany or iceweasal)using g_spawn_command_line_async() function? |
| 03:34.14 | abrotman | /etc/alternatives/ |
| 03:34.20 | abrotman | if i understand you correctly |
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| 03:35.40 | shyam_k | abrotman: cool...thanks a lott |
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| 03:35.44 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: in the case of the browser in Debian, you want sensible-browser |
| 03:35.51 | dondelelcaro | don't call the alternatives directly |
| 03:36.17 | shyam_k | hmm but i cant be sure whether a particular browser is there in a system..as i am calling it from my program.. |
| 03:36.18 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: almost everything that you'd normally need to call has a sensible-*; equivalent that you shoudl use. |
| 03:36.27 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: that's why you *use* sensible-browser. |
| 03:36.28 | shyam_k | oh ic |
| 03:36.44 | shyam_k | aha thats great |
| 03:36.59 | dondelelcaro | shyam_k: it obeys BROWSER if it's set, which is why it's really uuuseful |
| 03:37.16 | ignu | What is the lightest way to install debian on my old laptop and still keep the basic look and feel of the standard install? I have less than 10G HD and 384 RAM. I want to keep the graphical window pretty much the same |
| 03:37.26 | dondelelcaro | (and if not, it falls back to /usr/bin/www-browser if DISPLAY is unset, or /usr/bin/x-www-browser if it is) |
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| 03:37.44 | dondelelcaro | ignu: you can install the desktop task on that just fine. |
| 03:37.59 | dondelelcaro | ignu: if there's anything in specific that you don't want, you can always remove it later |
| 03:38.03 | shyam_k | cool.. thanks dondelelcaro |
| 03:38.11 | rektide_ | if i own yoyodyne.com, should i be able to host dns1.yoyodyne.com and dns2.yoyodyne.com as the nameservers for that domain? |
| 03:38.47 | dondelelcaro | rektide_: yes, but you have to enter the glue records for them using your registrar. |
| 03:40.10 | rektide_ | i'm sure i'm not the firt to say it but |
| 03:40.12 | rektide_ | fuck go-daddy |
| 03:40.23 | ignu | dondelelcaro: Yeah, maybe that's my best approach. But when I did that before and tried to remove some items it didn't completely remove them. Maybe that's b/c I tried to remove them in terminal instead of synaptic |
| 03:40.43 | dondelelcaro | rektide_: well, it doesn't really matter what registrar you use, that's how it works. |
| 03:40.51 | dondelelcaro | ignu: you can use the terminal to remove them too |
| 03:41.08 | dondelelcaro | ignu: assuming by terminal you mean aptitude purge foo; not rm -f random things; |
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| 03:41.14 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:42.27 | rektide_ | it matters since your registrar has to somehow publish that glue record. godaddy makes it obscenely hard to track down. |
| 03:42.38 | rektide_ | and further it appears to be broken atm. :( |
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| 03:42.54 | ignu | dondelelcaro: I don't remember the exact command I used, but I don't think it was purge. I'll try that. |
| 03:43.07 | ignu | dondelelcaro: thx much |
| 03:43.22 | dondelelcaro | rektide_: it's easy to track. just whois dns1.yoyodyne.com |
| 03:44.15 | dondelelcaro | if it's not there, it either hasn't propogated to the whois servers, or you haven't added it. |
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| 03:44.25 | rektide_ | lol the record is on 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.3, 4.2.2.4, 4.2.2.6 but not the one this machine is running, 4.2.2.5 |
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| 03:48.25 | Obligatory | What's happened to bash command completion? I seem to have what Bugs #466140 & #444254 describe. No /etc/bash_completion ... |
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| 03:50.58 | abrotman | !find etc/bash_completion etch |
| 03:51.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/bash_completion' (7 of 50): (/etc/bash_completion) in shells/bash ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/nmh) in mail/nmh ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/mpc) in sound/mpc ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/bins) in web/bins ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/pon) in admin/ppp ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/mtx) in admin/mtx ;; (/etc/bash_completion.d/epix) in tex/epix1. |
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| 03:52.16 | Obligatory | abrotman, yeah, the '/etc/bash_completion.d/*' scripts are there on my system, but not '/etc/bash_completion'. |
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| 03:53.08 | beardy | It is here. But this box was originally sarge.. |
| 03:53.09 | abrotman | !find etc/bash_completion$ etch |
| 03:53.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/bash_completion' (1): (/etc/bash_completion) in shells/bash. |
| 03:53.24 | abrotman | much better |
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| 03:53.50 | abrotman | Obligatory: you could manually retrieve it |
| 03:54.34 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 03:54.35 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 03:58.01 | Obligatory | abrotman, I'm running 'unstable', is there anywhere in particular I should fetch it from? Preferably just that file, rather than a whole archive. |
| 03:58.23 | Obligatory | abrotman, thanks for the info, also! |
| 03:58.49 | abrotman | Obligatory: you can extract a .deb manually |
| 03:59.46 | beardy | Obligatory: Using dpkg-deb, 'man dpkg-deb'. |
| 03:59.48 | Obligatory | abrotman, right, but the 'unstable' .deb doesn't have it, I just checked my ''/var/cache/apt/archives/bash_3.1dfsg-9_i386.deb' |
| 04:00.01 | cesman | ar xf /path/to/file/deb |
| 04:00.03 | abrotman | !find etc/bash_completion$ sid |
| 04:00.10 | cesman | tar xzvf data.tar.gz |
| 04:00.14 | abrotman | Obligatory: you could get it from the etch .deb ? |
| 04:00.35 | abrotman | does anyone actually read what the screen flashes when they use the "v" option to tar? |
| 04:00.48 | beardy | Read and read.. |
| 04:00.53 | Obligatory | abrotman, also I'm wondering if there might be some good reason it's missing, or just maintainer oversight. I'll check the changelog... |
| 04:01.06 | abrotman | Obligatory: changelog and NEWS |
| 04:01.34 | beardy | abrotman: Nice to see that something is done. |
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| 04:02.05 | abrotman | beardy: i think i'll know when i do an ls ? |
| 04:02.46 | beardy | abrotman: You wont have to! Well, I don't know, I like it. |
| 04:03.11 | abrotman | beardy: i used to like it to ... til i was doing admin work remotely over a 56k modem :) |
| 04:04.31 | abrotman | beardy: and then you'd extract something you wanted to work on .. and it would stream on your screen for 20 minutes |
| 04:04.46 | beardy | abrotman: Hehe, well I have lived over 56k for a long time remember.. |
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| 04:04.56 | Obligatory | abrotman, the changelog says it was removed, and to "recommend" the 'bash-completion' package, only that package isn't available in 'sid', so far as I can tell. The current 'bash' package description also mentions the missing package. |
| 04:05.22 | abrotman | !info bash-completion |
| 04:05.29 | abrotman | beardy: and you watch stuff untar over that ? |
| 04:05.41 | beardy | abrotman: But yes, in those situations, it is not fun. |
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| 04:05.43 | abrotman | Obligatory: no exist! |
| 04:06.11 | beardy | abrotman: I'm sure I have, not any huge archives, not that takes 20 minutes.. |
| 04:06.35 | Obligatory | abrotman, hmm, Debian should automate that kind of thing better. It shouldn't be possible to recommend missing packages. |
| 04:06.49 | abrotman | Obligatory: it's called unstable for a reason ... have a nice day :) |
| 04:06.51 | Obligatory | (just venting.) |
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| 04:07.10 | beardy | abrotman: I hope I never will have to again. I did take out the modem at christmas though, had to get some mail account info, that is hosted at the dialup provider I use(d). |
| 04:07.53 | beardy | (that, I thought, had to be obtained by coming from their ip:s) |
| 04:08.08 | abrotman | Obligatory: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html .. you'll have to wait for an ftp-master to let it go through |
| 04:09.58 | beardy | Now I remember, I had to find out my own pop3 password.. that was why, and in the end I did anyway. |
| 04:09.59 | Obligatory | abrotman, thanks. It's a 2006 version. I should be able to use 'etch' then. |
| 04:10.15 | abrotman | Obligatory: can't imagine it changes much |
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| 04:10.43 | abrotman | wonder why they split it .. oh well |
| 04:11.21 | Obligatory | abrotman, argh, no results: http://packages.debian.org/bash-completion?suite=etch&keywords=bash-completion |
| 04:11.38 | abrotman | Obligatory: no .. it was one package in etch |
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| 04:12.37 | Obligatory | abrotman, odd, it's not even in 'all-suites' now. Have to look further... |
| 04:13.11 | abrotman | Obligatory: you'd have to download the etch bash package .. and extract it manually |
| 04:14.36 | Obligatory | abrotman, it's just one file in '/etc', right? |
| 04:14.59 | abrotman | and the /etc/bash_completion.d/* stuff i'd guess |
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| 04:19.13 | Obligatory | abrotman, aha, I think I'll try 'alien' with this: http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml#completion |
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| 04:19.33 | abrotman | uh .. total overkill .. but it's your box |
| 04:19.33 | Obligatory | But after dessert! Bye & tnx! |
| 04:20.41 | junix-other | i seem to be having some trouble getting OTRS (via web browser) to come up when i type in a DNS alias or the IP addy, it goes to the directory but not to the index.pl, what do i need to change?? |
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| 04:21.56 | beardy | junix-other: Whatever OTRS is, it's them you should ask, not us. |
| 04:22.05 | junix-other | why? |
| 04:22.11 | junix-other | this is a apache issue, isn't it? |
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| 04:24.05 | beardy | I don't know, didn't know what OTRS was. Sounded like you were trying to access someone elses site. |
| 04:24.39 | beardy | But ok. You need to have .pl as a possible index file. |
| 04:25.46 | beardy | In your apache config, sounds like you haven't, likely that it isn't by default. Only .html, .sgml, and one or two more is I guess. |
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| 04:27.51 | beardy | junix-other: Which apache version? |
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| 04:28.43 | junix-other | apache2 |
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| 04:31.03 | junix-other | beardy: what file do i need to edit? |
| 04:31.37 | beardy | junix-other: I'm trying to find it myself, for apache2. |
| 04:31.43 | junix-other | ok |
| 04:31.45 | junix-other | thanks |
| 04:31.46 | stylus | hi, what needs to be in /etc/pam.d/ so that the motd is displayed on ssh login? |
| 04:32.07 | stylus | it stopped showing after a dist-upgrade |
| 04:32.31 | beardy | stylus: /etc/issue.net or /etc/issue, is what is displayed on ssh login, probably says in the sshd config. |
| 04:32.51 | stylus | beardy: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 04:32.57 | beardy | stylus: If you mean, before the actual login. |
| 04:35.31 | stylus | beardy: oh, not sure. when the user logs in, I'd like /etc/motd to display as it used to. |
| 04:38.25 | junix-other | beardy: you find it? |
| 04:38.55 | beardy | junix-other: Check /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf, is index.pl in it? (It should be..) |
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| 04:39.36 | junix-other | yes |
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| 04:40.55 | beardy | junix-other: Also check that you load dir and perl, in mods-enabled. I don't know really.. Is this otrs installed from the debian package= |
| 04:41.00 | stylus | beardy: I have this in /etc/pam.d/login: session optional pam_motd.so |
| 04:41.25 | stylus | apparently that should make the /etc/motd display on ssh login. |
| 04:41.25 | junix-other | beardy: no |
| 04:41.31 | yarko | hi All... if I have UNIX socket /proc/10165/fd/10 -> socket:[572349], how to figure out who is listening at the other end??? it is just that 10165 consumes too much of CPU by communicating on that socket... trying to figur eout WTF |
| 04:41.31 | stylus | but it's not.. |
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| 04:42.20 | beardy | stylus: You most likely want to uncomment "#Banner /etc/issue.net" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:43.14 | insta | hey guys, i just want to make sure i'm doing this right ... i want to install etch from a flashdrive. i've found the "hd-media" files, my understanding is i zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/thumbdrive, then copy debian-etch-businesscard.iso over to it as well, right? |
| 04:43.31 | stylus | beardy: will give that a shot. |
| 04:44.02 | beardy | junix-other: Well then. It is up to you, and them to install it properly then, if you are not using the debian package (why not?), you can't expect anyone here to know what you have done, or not done. |
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| 04:44.23 | junix-other | beardy: debian package is too old |
| 04:44.31 | yarko | anyone could recommend a room to ask about sockets? |
| 04:44.34 | beardy | junix-other: Too old for what? |
| 04:44.39 | abrocadabro | what's the difference between mailq and qshape active? |
| 04:45.02 | beardy | !backport |
| 04:45.02 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 04:45.19 | junix-other | beardy: latest release from OTRS.org is 2.2.5, there is no backport, and deb package is 2.0.4 |
| 04:45.21 | beardy | junix-other: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:45.36 | beardy | junix-other: Atleast it's working, most likely. |
| 04:46.33 | beardy | junix-other: Have you followed the docs then, what exactly have you done when installing it? But I think you should ask them instead. |
| 04:47.08 | insta | i wonder if dpkg knows my question ... |
| 04:47.21 | beardy | Ask it and we'll see. |
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| 04:48.13 | insta | i don't know how to word my keywords |
| 04:48.22 | beardy | Ask here. |
| 04:48.22 | insta | meh, a simple yes/no would be nice :( |
| 04:48.25 | insta | i did |
| 04:48.32 | insta | hey guys, i just want to make sure i'm doing this right ... i want to install etch from a flashdrive. i've found the "hd-media" files, my understanding is i zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/thumbdrive, then copy debian-etch-businesscard.iso over to it as well, right? |
| 04:48.54 | beardy | Oh, sorry. |
| 04:49.52 | beardy | !tell insta -about usb install |
| 04:50.23 | insta | ty |
| 04:50.30 | beardy | No problem. |
| 04:51.28 | beardy | Ask it about "search" too. |
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| 04:55.23 | Seb | how do I change the font that firefox is using in its adress bar ? Is this a gtk thing ? |
| 04:55.45 | Seb | it's also using the same one for all the text-box and drop-down boxes, if that helps... |
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| 05:00.02 | beardy | Seb: http://ithacafreesoftware.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58 search engines are your friends |
| 05:00.54 | beardy | Seb: So, no, it seems to be a css thing. |
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| 05:12.48 | bujin | hi |
| 05:13.06 | bujin | how can increase the sensitiviry of the touchpad mouse of my laptop |
| 05:13.07 | bujin | ?? |
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| 05:21.47 | buu | Try lube |
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| 05:31.27 | iuri | hi everyone, how to change the idiom of my debian box? |
| 05:32.57 | cesman | anyone know the status of kernel-package and the changes in 2.6.24? |
| 05:33.41 | streuner | yes, use pdo :-) |
| 05:33.51 | streuner | !pdo |
| 05:33.51 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:34.23 | cesman | streuner: that doesn't mention anything about the changes |
| 05:34.33 | nevyn | iuri: You want to change how you express things to debian to make it do things for you? |
| 05:35.02 | iuri | not quite |
| 05:35.04 | nevyn | iuri: like reverse polish vs "normal" calculators |
| 05:35.19 | cesman | at the moment, kernel-package is build a headers package that is pdu |
| 05:35.19 | iuri | my debian show bash messages |
| 05:35.31 | iuri | i woquld lie to change to englisg |
| 05:35.32 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 05:35.55 | beardy | iuri: What is it now? |
| 05:35.59 | nevyn | you want to change the locale? |
| 05:36.00 | beardy | !locales |
| 05:36.01 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 05:36.17 | beardy | !locale |
| 05:36.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 05:38.11 | iuri | but even running dpkg-reconfigure locales to install english language will not be set up |
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| 05:39.48 | iuri | anyway the file /etc/defaults/locale has the line LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 05:40.03 | iuri | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.10 | nevyn | iuri: echo $LANG |
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| 05:40.30 | iuri | iuri@toronto:~$ echo $LANG |
| 05:40.31 | iuri | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:40.38 | iuri | :) |
| 05:41.10 | iuri | and here are the messages: iuri@toronto:~$ rm -r temp |
| 05:41.10 | iuri | rm: reguläre leere Datei (schreibgeschützt) âtemp/www/.svn/empty-fileâ entfernen? |
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| 05:42.27 | \amethyst | iuri: what does locale | grep MESSAGES say? |
| 05:43.32 | iuri | iuri@toronto:~$ locale | grep MESSAGES |
| 05:43.32 | iuri | LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 05:43.54 | iuri | it was suposed to be in english then |
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| 05:47.50 | streuner | iuri: did you log out and back in after you use "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 05:48.04 | streuner | s/use/used/ |
| 05:48.36 | streuner | apt, test |
| 05:48.36 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 05:48.46 | iuri | that's the thing |
| 05:48.56 | iuri | i havent eve installed |
| 05:49.04 | iuri | it was there since the begining |
| 05:51.03 | magikfingerz | ¬¬ |
| 05:51.40 | magikfingerz | streuner, ¬¬ |
| 05:53.30 | RyanRyan52 | every other reboot I get a error saying "Cannot mount root filesystem" cause it switches between sda and sde. I had it setup to do UUIDs but I forgot how. Can anybody help me? |
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| 05:53.39 | \amethyst | magikfingerz: unless you're an intuitionist, that's the same as "" |
| 05:53.52 | RyanRyan52 | nvm |
| 05:53.53 | \amethyst | without the quotes |
| 05:53.58 | RyanRyan52 | dpkg is a smart bot... |
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| 05:54.23 | ginoman | dpkg is beastly! |
| 05:54.36 | ginoman | 1 <3 dpkg |
| 05:54.49 | simonrvn | RyanRyan52: UUID=sdfghskjgfsjdgksjf /mountpoint fstype settings dump pass |
| 05:56.42 | nekostar | anyone tried copying root partition to ramdisc on boot and syncing every minute or so to hdd? |
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| 05:57.15 | Dewi | this might sound crazy, but... is there any way to switch, for *some* users, to passwords that are not hashed? |
| 05:57.35 | Dewi | for most of my users having hashed passwords does more harm than good |
| 05:57.37 | simonrvn | indeed it does sound crazy |
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| 05:59.37 | seba_ | hi |
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| 05:59.43 | streuner | some day i will remove abiword from my HD :-) |
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| 05:59.57 | seba_ | remove it now |
| 06:00.16 | seba_ | apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 06:00.23 | tckb | hello pp; |
| 06:00.42 | streuner | you print and after changed at this file it cannot print anymore... |
| 06:01.03 | streuner | you _have_ to quit abiword and restart new |
| 06:01.10 | tckb | is anybody there |
| 06:01.16 | streuner | no |
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| 06:01.16 | seba_ | me |
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| 06:01.29 | simonrvn | so file a bug |
| 06:01.31 | simonrvn | tckb: no |
| 06:01.31 | streuner | seba_: no, oo is to big |
| 06:01.44 | seba_ | but effective |
| 06:01.44 | Dewi | tckb: no the people talking *continuously all around you* are all bots |
| 06:01.57 | tckb | he he:) |
| 06:02.15 | streuner | simonrvn: i dont know its a bug, thats more a feature which stays in sid version since years :-) |
| 06:02.27 | simonrvn | sounds like a bug |
| 06:02.51 | ismael_ | Hello. I'm trying to setup XDMCP under kdm, Debian Lenny. Is there any guide I can follow? All I found referred to gdm. |
| 06:03.21 | seba_ | anybody have had problems mounting ntfs partitions as user?, because i cant, say Permission denied |
| 06:03.39 | tckb | try sudo mount |
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| 06:03.49 | streuner | seba_: 4 or 5? |
| 06:04.04 | seba_ | /dev/hda1/media/windowsntfs-3gdefaults,users00 |
| 06:04.22 | streuner | !listkeys nfts |
| 06:04.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nfts' by key returned no results. |
| 06:04.28 | streuner | !listkeys ntfs |
| 06:04.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 33): #debian captiventfs ;; #debian ntfs rw ;; #debian ro-ntfs ;; #debian user accessible ntfs ;; _default ntfs rw ;; _default ntfs-faq ;; _default ntfsro ;; _default ntfsrw ;; _default read-ntfs ;; _default user accessible ntfs ;; captiventfs ;; ntfs ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfs-3g ;; user accessible ntfs. |
| 06:04.30 | tckb | use as sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows |
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| 06:04.43 | streuner | !ntfsrw |
| 06:04.43 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. not as stable as they claim. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 06:05.07 | seba_ | but i want to mount it as user, not as root |
| 06:05.26 | tckb | mount as user ... or root same effect |
| 06:05.32 | simonrvn | try just 'user' |
| 06:05.44 | simonrvn | instead of 'users' |
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| 06:05.55 | seba_ | no, because i want rw for users |
| 06:05.56 | tckb | else add user in the sudoer's liost |
| 06:06.03 | Dewi | here's a saner question... is there some way to change auth so that each user has access to a defined set of services |
| 06:06.13 | tckb | u willhave r/w |
| 06:06.13 | dA_ShArP | My DPKG gives this error http://rafb.net/p/ZAdDGm59.html, I am trying to upgrade ti SID from Etch |
| 06:06.14 | seba_ | but with sudo i mount it as root |
| 06:06.16 | Dewi | some users might have mailboxes, some might be able to auth on a website... |
| 06:06.33 | simonrvn | seba_: you understand the difference? |
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| 06:07.24 | simonrvn | Dewi: there's pam modules for that; you could also do via ldap, and have auth be looked up in various parts of the DIT |
| 06:07.25 | dA_ShArP | can anybody help me in fixing | |
| 06:07.58 | \amethyst | seba_: you also needs to incude options to set the ownership and permissions of the files to something appropriate: uid=, gid=, fmask=, and dmask= |
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| 06:08.50 | \amethyst | also, you might need allow_other |
| 06:08.58 | Dewi | simonrvn: would ldap work... *via* pam? |
| 06:09.00 | seba_ | isnt supposed that "defaults" do that? |
| 06:09.09 | dA_ShArP | is anyone looking at my rpoblem? |
| 06:09.22 | tckb | <dA_ShArP> whats ur prob |
| 06:09.35 | dA_ShArP | I am trying to Upgrade to 'sid' my dpkg gives this error http://rafb.net/p/ZAdDGm59.html |
| 06:09.43 | dA_ShArP | tckb: ^^ |
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| 06:10.18 | liable | so learn how to fix it yourself then |
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| 06:10.35 | dA_ShArP | :P |
| 06:10.46 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: that much is overwhelmingly obviously |
| 06:10.49 | Dewi | -ly |
| 06:11.05 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: /etc/init,d/apache2 stop |
| 06:11.11 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 06:11.19 | dA_ShArP | seba_: I did that |
| 06:11.42 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: do you have some kind of extra manually installed thing listening as a web server? |
| 06:11.47 | dA_ShArP | seba_: but dpkg is tryton retsrt it... ans shows the error up |
| 06:11.53 | dA_ShArP | Dewi: NO |
| 06:11.55 | simonrvn | Dewi: of course |
| 06:11.56 | dA_ShArP | NOTHING! |
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| 06:12.20 | dA_ShArP | and when I am manually trying to restart it, its shows the sam erro to me :| |
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| 06:12.42 | dA_ShArP | I actually got QT4.4, Pidgin compiled |
| 06:12.48 | dA_ShArP | rest all are from etch repo |
| 06:12.54 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: well, there's no pidfile |
| 06:12.59 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: according to the message |
| 06:13.06 | dA_ShArP | now I am trying to Upgrade to 'sid' |
| 06:13.08 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: it is always difficult to uninstall apache, if you want to migrate i recommend to download sid images and start from ground |
| 06:13.19 | dA_ShArP | Dewi: what is that please ? |
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| 06:13.33 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: don't ask for sid support in here |
| 06:13.39 | dA_ShArP | seba_: SID INSTALL CD IMAGES? |
| 06:13.52 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: yes |
| 06:14.00 | zepmantra | hello there, i have succesfully configure my kde desktop to boot a normal user without the login manager, my problem is how do i automatically run a |
| 06:14.11 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: sid=lenny? |
| 06:14.13 | zepmantra | vnc player gui on bootup, rc.local won't work |
| 06:14.16 | dA_ShArP | seba_: I read that, USE OF SID INSTALL CD IS NOT RECOMMENDED! |
| 06:14.28 | dA_ShArP | seba_: no the unstable! |
| 06:14.30 | Dewi | seba_: sid is not lenny |
| 06:14.39 | dA_ShArP | lenny is just testing! |
| 06:14.46 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: ok, so you are crazy if you are doing that |
| 06:14.55 | dA_ShArP | or can somebody recommend me way to install SID |
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| 06:15.03 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: try lenny, it is very stable |
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| 06:15.17 | dA_ShArP | seba_: and the packages are lates? |
| 06:15.29 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: almost |
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| 06:15.36 | dA_ShArP | seba_: what the kernel that's used on lenny 2.6.22 or 23? |
| 06:15.38 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: no, new ones, example: gnome-2.20 |
| 06:15.52 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: they get to lenny only a week or two after they are working |
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| 06:16.05 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: 2.6.22 |
| 06:16.06 | dA_ShArP | Dewi: well, will I be able to install say KDE4 from repo? |
| 06:16.13 | zepmantra | hello there, how to run vlc gui program during startup, adding /usr/bin/vlc on rc.local won't work |
| 06:16.13 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: I have no idea |
| 06:16.21 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: what does netstat -plnt | grep 80 say? |
| 06:16.35 | seba_ | dA_ShArP: kde4 is very unstable, i compile the sources |
| 06:16.37 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: it should (if you run it as root) print process IDs in the last column |
| 06:16.59 | dA_ShArP | \amethyst: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2948/lighttpd |
| 06:17.01 | dA_ShArP | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2804/cupsd |
| 06:17.06 | dA_ShArP | Oops, |
| 06:17.06 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: you have lighttpd |
| 06:17.21 | dA_ShArP | ohh I need to stop it too? |
| 06:17.25 | \amethyst | err |
| 06:17.28 | niru | hi all |
| 06:17.30 | dA_ShArP | \amethyst: yes? |
| 06:17.31 | Dewi | zepmantra: that would probably fire before X starts, and also as root |
| 06:17.33 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: if you have two web servers installed you'll have to reconfigure the port on at least one of them |
| 06:17.41 | niru | I want to set a username and password for a normal user |
| 06:17.45 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: you can't run two things on port 80 at the same time |
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| 06:17.49 | Dewi | zepmantra: try finding something that runs after you log in, in X |
| 06:18.04 | seba_ | adduser |
| 06:18.06 | Dewi | 16:11:42 < Dewi> dA_ShArP: do you have some kind of extra manually installed thing listening as a web server? |
| 06:18.16 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: please stop wasting our time |
| 06:18.17 | dA_ShArP | \amethyst: apache is not running now |
| 06:18.19 | \amethyst | Dewi: maybe it's not manually installed |
| 06:18.24 | Dewi | \amethyst: heh :P |
| 06:18.27 | zepmantra | ok |
| 06:18.49 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: so you're going to have apache2 installed but not running? |
| 06:18.52 | dA_ShArP | \amethyst: Yes, Sorry Its only lightppd's problem! |
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| 06:18.55 | Dewi | \amethyst: doesn't the package manager stop both daemons autorunning at once? |
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| 06:19.09 | niru | password history should be masintained for last three passwords |
| 06:19.10 | \amethyst | Dewi: no, web servers don't generally conflict |
| 06:19.10 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: just stop lighttp while you are messing with apache then |
| 06:19.20 | \amethyst | Dewi: as long as you run them on different ports :) |
| 06:19.22 | niru | and the password should expire after every 30 days |
| 06:19.24 | niru | etc |
| 06:19.28 | niru | how can I do that |
| 06:19.34 | dA_ShArP | \amethyst: Actually I kinda forgot that I installed lightppd on last boot, its like 18 day That I rebooted, so it started on boot up which I didn't notic |
| 06:19.34 | dA_ShArP | e |
| 06:19.44 | lkthomas | guys, before I did ntpdate to sync with time server, the time is incorrect, but after sync, I can't do make as it complain that the code is from future |
| 06:19.45 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: this is why you reboot often |
| 06:19.47 | lkthomas | what should I do now ? |
| 06:19.54 | \amethyst | niru: man passwd |
| 06:20.04 | dA_ShArP | Dewi: yes, That's my Mistake SORRY for wasting you guy's time |
| 06:20.57 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: 'sokay. I really don't recommend sid though... but lenny might work out okay |
| 06:21.17 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: although maybe you're already halfway through upgrading |
| 06:21.18 | dA_ShArP | Dewi: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1297 not upgraded. , what does this mean? |
| 06:21.36 | dA_ShArP | 1279 not upgraded! |
| 06:21.38 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: it means aptitude has detected 1297 out of date packages |
| 06:21.51 | \amethyst | niru: at least you can set expiration that way... as for the other stuff I'm not sure |
| 06:21.57 | dA_ShArP | but why isn't it upgrading them! |
| 06:22.03 | dA_ShArP | Dewi: |
| 06:22.04 | Dewi | dA_ShArP: have you asked it to? |
| 06:22.07 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: what command are you running? |
| 06:22.15 | dA_ShArP | Dewi: apt-get upgrade :) |
| 06:22.24 | \amethyst | dA_ShArP: man apt-get, search for dist-upgrade |
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| 06:22.34 | dA_ShArP | Oops |
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| 06:23.08 | holycow | hey guys |
| 06:23.12 | dA_ShArP | actually, I was on gentoo for quite long while , now bach to debian, I forgot what apt-get does :P |
| 06:23.18 | dA_ShArP | anyways that's GUUUYS |
| 06:23.21 | dA_ShArP | GUYS** |
| 06:23.22 | holycow | i generated a default ssh2 rsa 1024 bit ssh key |
| 06:23.30 | holycow | it was generated nearly instantaneously |
| 06:23.42 | holycow | isn't this supposed to take a bit even on semi fast cpus? |
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| 06:24.11 | dA_ShArP | **anyways Thanks GUYS** |
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| 06:25.59 | niru | \amethyst, I saw the man page for passwd |
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| 06:26.15 | niru | it has all the features like lowercase letters ,6-12 etc |
| 06:26.22 | niru | but that never worked for me |
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| 06:27.32 | \amethyst | niru: for that you'll have to configure PAM |
| 06:27.57 | niru | \amethyst, you mean /etc/pam.d/common-account |
| 06:28.11 | \amethyst | niru: I was thinking /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 06:28.17 | niru | \amethyst, can you show be any documentation that I can follow |
| 06:28.36 | nekostar | anyone tried on boot creating ramdisk of say 4GB and copying / into it? and just sync between them now and then? |
| 06:28.41 | \amethyst | niru: man pam_unix |
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| 06:29.14 | \amethyst | niru: man pam_unix |
| 06:30.24 | \amethyst | niru: in particular, min= and remember= |
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| 06:31.57 | \amethyst | niru: also maybe man pam_cracklib (from package libpam-cracklib) |
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| 06:32.15 | niru | \amethyst, what is the difference if i set a username using adduser and useradd |
| 06:33.08 | fignew | useradd is better IIRC |
| 06:33.13 | fignew | they both do the same thing |
| 06:33.21 | fignew | just one is easier to use |
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| 06:33.44 | \amethyst | fignew: err, useradd is the more low-level of the two |
| 06:33.47 | niru | \amethyst, I was seeing the same libpam-cracklib |
| 06:34.03 | fignew | \amethyst: sorry, you're right... I always get them backwards :P |
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| 06:44.03 | purpleposeidon | hallo, I'm trying to install debian on virtualbox, but the installer keeps freezing, like right now, it's on 'Retrieving libpam0g' |
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| 06:46.28 | holycow | purpleposeidon: try the virtualbox people, perhaps its a known problem? |
| 06:46.39 | holycow | #debian wouldn't really keep data on problems like that |
| 06:46.57 | holycow | unfortunatley searching for a specific error message on google might actually be the best way to research that |
| 06:47.00 | holycow | sorry! |
| 06:47.57 | purpleposeidon | (well, I've given it several shots, and the text installer just freezes at random points in the install...) |
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| 06:49.31 | holycow | purpleposeidon: aha. nothing on google about virtual box and debian guest problems? |
| 06:49.49 | purpleposeidon | eh, I'll look it up in a moment... |
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| 06:56.04 | purpleposeidon | Ah, here we go, "validating vim-tiny"..... |
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| 07:02.23 | beardy | purpleposeidon: "worked for me" which installer? |
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| 07:03.01 | purpleposeidon | debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso, off of torrent, md5'd and etc. |
| 07:03.48 | beardy | purpleposeidon: Ok. I think I used the 4.0 netinstaller. |
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| 07:06.44 | fbn | Hi, I'm about to apt-get update my etch system and apache2, mysql, php5, libc6 will get updates. Is there a way to downgrade a special package afterwards if something goes wrong? |
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| 07:07.14 | beardy | fbn: Use aptitude. |
| 07:07.20 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 07:07.20 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 07:09.08 | beardy | fbn: Use aptitude from now on. You will not need to worry about that if you run stable, and only packages from the debian repositories. Everything is possible, but not always easy. |
| 07:09.22 | RyanRyan52 | Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude...oops |
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| 07:14.09 | stylus | what's the safest way to restart an sshd? /etc/init.d/sshd restart? |
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| 07:15.54 | cesman | stylus: yes |
| 07:16.35 | stylus | ok, thanks |
| 07:16.48 | cesman | you're welcome |
| 07:17.02 | purpleposeidon | Ah, debian's awesome... openssh by default! |
| 07:17.25 | lkthomas | anyone remember how to increase ipconntrack table size ? |
| 07:17.40 | purpleposeidon | Or maybe that was just openssh-client. :/ |
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| 07:18.31 | dondelelcaro | purpleposeidon: it's actually not necessarily installed by default, but the standard system task does install it. |
| 07:19.05 | dondelelcaro | (what "installed by default" means is pretty much undefined, unless you're talking about something which is Essential: yes or a dependency thereof) |
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| 07:21.12 | stylus | what could cause the last login to display before the motd, when one ssh's in |
| 07:21.22 | stylus | they're in the wrong order :< |
| 07:22.13 | purpleposeidon | stylus: Perhaps one of those things in /etc? |
| 07:22.36 | stylus | purpleposeidon: yes, but which is the question :) |
| 07:22.56 | purpleposeidon | I'm thinking of /etc/profile, but I'm not really sure |
| 07:23.31 | stylus | ok, will have another look. I tried switching the order in /etc/pam.d/login without any results. |
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| 07:23.46 | stylus | they stayed in that weird order. |
| 07:23.59 | stylus | this all happened since the dist-upgrade |
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| 07:24.59 | fbn | beardy: is it possible to downgrade a package after a system upgrade? |
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| 07:34.32 | Assid | heya |
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| 07:35.20 | Assid | i have a remote box (and some weirdo ended up loading debian for me).. so now i want to dpkg-reconfigure base-config but that seems to give me an error |
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| 07:36.34 | SPF | try updating dpkg first |
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| 07:36.42 | Assid | its updated |
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| 07:37.55 | Assid | pastebin.ca/910858 |
| 07:38.43 | Assid | the dummy puts one of the passwords we use as the hostname for the system |
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| 07:39.03 | Assid | too many stupid mistakes in there |
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| 07:40.04 | SPF | you could also try selecting an alternate apt-source, that's the last tip I can give you |
| 07:40.42 | purpleposeidon | Yeah, definitly frozen. Been "Configuring openssh-client" for a whiilllle now... |
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| 07:41.49 | Assid | SPF: how would an alternate apt source help me with that? |
| 07:43.08 | SPF | maybe the alternate apt source will have the base-config package |
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| 07:43.32 | SPF | or I mean, the installation candidate |
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| 07:44.22 | tralala | Assid, base-config is not in debian etch. What exactly do you want to configure? |
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| 07:45.16 | Assid | pretty much everything base-config had to offer |
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| 07:45.40 | Assid | the box was setup by a person who had no idea what he was doing |
| 07:45.57 | Assid | and trust me.. the guy just loaded it up cause he was the only one free inthe office to do so |
| 07:46.36 | tralala | Assid, /msg dpkg base-config |
| 07:46.40 | tralala | try that^^ |
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| 07:48.06 | Assid | err.. how do you reset the base name |
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| 07:48.45 | iateadonut | how do i know which version of a program is in the repositories? |
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| 07:49.34 | tralala | Assid, the hostname? |
| 07:49.53 | Assid | yeah besides /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts am i missing any other file? |
| 07:50.05 | Assid | i.e. to eidt |
| 07:50.08 | Assid | edit even |
| 07:50.35 | tralala | Assid, /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 07:51.42 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:54.45 | niru | hi all |
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| 08:04.26 | alexw | anybody have any idea how to use \ in console e.g. i wanna use the script "generate.sh mykey\dddds3 |
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| 08:08.40 | PINguAR | alexw: try double \? like mykey\\sfd |
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| 08:11.46 | iateadonut | !apt-spy |
| 08:11.46 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your ... |
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| 08:14.18 | iateadonut | is there any way for me to install a newer version of mysql on debian? |
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| 08:18.24 | tralala | iateadonut, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 08:18.31 | tralala | iateadonut, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 08:24.05 | fbn | is there a way to get the NEWS.Debian file from an older package? |
| 08:25.41 | tralala | fbn, /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 08:26.03 | lkthomas | guys, how could I config my nic duplex at boot up ? |
| 08:26.28 | fbn | tralala: is sdn correct? I get no reply ... |
| 08:26.36 | tralala | lkthomas, isn't this autodetected by the nic itself? |
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| 08:26.51 | tralala | !+tell fbn -about sdn |
| 08:26.52 | dpkg | told fbn about sdn. |
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| 08:27.13 | steinchen | hi |
| 08:27.21 | steinchen | how do i resend postfix mailqueue ? |
| 08:27.30 | fbn | tralala: thanks! |
| 08:27.34 | lkthomas | I want to force it |
| 08:27.59 | tralala | fbn, you're welcome |
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| 08:28.33 | spacix | How to display all users on a system? |
| 08:28.33 | tralala | lkthomas, add an "up" line in interfaces |
| 08:28.40 | spacix | incl not real world users |
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| 08:28.53 | tralala | lkthomas, or maybe pre-up |
| 08:29.20 | tralala | spacix, all logged in users or all existing? |
| 08:29.24 | spacix | all existing |
| 08:29.44 | tralala | spacix, they are listed in /etc/passwd |
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| 08:30.29 | spacix | tx |
| 08:30.51 | steinchen | how do i resend the postfix mailqueue ? |
| 08:31.55 | tralala | man mailq |
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| 08:33.41 | sander_m | Hello. I have a problem with gnome-session under Etch. Yesterday my laptop shut itself down when low on power. Since then, everytime I log in, the gnome-session splash screen (which shows you the applications it is loading) doesn't go away after I log in. |
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| 08:34.23 | tralala | hmm... I have the same problem with one of my pcs but I never bothered to try fixing it |
| 08:34.44 | sander_m | Well, it annoys the hell out of me so I'd like to fix it :-) |
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| 08:35.10 | sander_m | From what I gather it is caused by the session being saved when the laptop shuts down on low power |
| 08:35.25 | blue | how do i increase the number of pty's? |
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| 08:35.37 | tralala | blue, consider using screen |
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| 08:36.02 | tralala | sander_m, try moving .gnome to .gnomeold |
| 08:36.06 | blue | tralala: not really possible here. got more than 16 users that need to login |
| 08:36.18 | blue | from what i can see i only have 16 pty |
| 08:36.22 | sander_m | tralala: Thanks. I'll try. |
| 08:36.40 | tralala | blue, oh, ptys you say. Using ssh? |
| 08:36.44 | blue | yeah |
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| 08:37.22 | blue | it the max number of pty really a kernel config option? |
| 08:37.23 | blue | xen11:~# grep CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 08:37.23 | blue | CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT=16 |
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| 08:39.45 | tralala | blue, do you have this mount: devpts on /dev/pts type devpts |
| 08:40.13 | blue | none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 |
| 08:40.15 | blue | in my fstab |
| 08:40.49 | blue | cant see it anywhere in the outout from "mount" though |
| 08:42.06 | tralala | is this a domU host? |
| 08:42.41 | blue | its both on the domU and dom0 |
| 08:42.54 | blue | but what i just pasted is from a domU |
| 08:43.13 | tralala | blue, and /dev/pts isn't mounted anywhere? |
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| 08:44.18 | blue | doesnt look like it |
| 08:44.34 | tralala | blue, I guess that's your problem |
| 08:45.12 | blue | ok, thanks. ill look into that |
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| 08:45.20 | tralala | blue, you're welcome |
| 08:45.56 | steinchen | tralala, postqueue -f doesnt trigger |
| 08:46.47 | tralala | steinchen, so there must be something else. Doesn't it have mailq command? |
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| 08:48.01 | steinchen | mailq -q .. but i still got 166 requests in the queue |
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| 08:48.32 | spoown | hello all |
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| 08:48.45 | tralala | steinchen, you might need to force them, including the frozen ones. There must be options to do that. |
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| 08:49.41 | steinchen | status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused) |
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| 08:50.32 | tralala | steinchen, wow, if local delivery isn't working something is seriously messed up |
| 08:50.41 | spoown | Does anyone use iscsi ? |
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| 08:51.10 | tralala | spoown, do you? |
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| 08:52.03 | steinchen | but those logs doesnt show anything i can use |
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| 08:53.15 | tralala | steinchen, of course they do - they show that postfix can't connect to localhost:smtp. It is up to you now to investigate the reasons. |
| 08:53.17 | spoown | tralala, yes but I have a strange problem ! |
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| 08:53.54 | spoown | When I share a drive with zfs on solaris, and try to use it with linux, my linux always reboot !! iscsi works properly between two linux host by the way ! |
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| 08:54.23 | tralala | spoown, how do you share the drive? |
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| 08:54.46 | tralala | and which linux would that be? |
| 08:55.25 | spoown | 1 create a volume, and then set the property to shareiscsi=on on solaris ! |
| 08:55.46 | spoown | the linux host can discover the new iscsi drive, but when i want to login, it reboots always !! |
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| 08:55.58 | steinchen | tralala, amavis was down ssomehow.. thanks |
| 08:56.11 | tralala | steinchen, you're welcome |
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| 08:58.14 | tralala | spoown, and which linux are we taling about? |
| 08:58.16 | tralala | talking |
| 08:58.38 | sander_m | tralala: moving ~/.gnome out of the way did not fix my session. In the end I took a chance and simply deleted the session "Default" that was listed in preferences>>sessions. Now it works and the gnome-session splash screen no longer lingers |
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| 08:58.44 | spoown | debian 4 of course :) |
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| 08:59.41 | tralala | spoown, sounds like a kernel bug. Could you try a newer kernel, just for the test? |
| 08:59.42 | sander_m | I think there's a bug in the gnome session preference handler though. I have "Save changes to session" unchecked, yet when Debian/gnome shuts down when the power is low, the session gets saved anyway. |
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| 08:59.52 | sander_m | Is that a bug or by design? |
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| 09:00.56 | tralala | sander_m, ah, good. I'll try that myself |
| 09:01.54 | spoown | tralala, yes I'll try with other kernel, right now, I tried with xen kernel, I will try now with the normal one !! |
| 09:01.59 | spoown | hang on |
| 09:02.27 | tralala | spoown, I mean newer, for example the one from backports. |
| 09:02.39 | tralala | (which is exploitable btw) |
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| 09:02.51 | spoown | will see which one is available from apt-get ! |
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| 09:03.22 | tralala | spoown, on a normal install you don't have newer kernels available. You need to add extra sources. |
| 09:03.39 | webPrag\Laptop | Does anyone know if it is possible to automatically set messages in a specific IMAP folder to read? |
| 09:04.03 | wols_ | check if sieve can do it |
| 09:04.09 | webPrag\Laptop | this is a rather random question I know |
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| 09:04.47 | asabil | hi all |
| 09:05.02 | spoown | tralala, more work to do prabably ! I switched from gentoo, and in debian still didn't try to compil my own kernel, so don't available in apt-get ! |
| 09:05.22 | asabil | anyone got packages for mspgcc ? |
| 09:05.30 | tralala | spoown, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 09:07.46 | HNS-I | dpkg mouse |
| 09:07.46 | dpkg | [mouse] if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG, or http://www.experiencescompany.com/SentImages/Bless%20This%20Mouse.jpg |
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| 09:08.34 | HNS-I | dpkg g5 |
| 09:08.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, g5 is a kick ass processor that will outperform everything else out there, or 64 bit, or http://gallery.colofinder.net/albums/tech-funny/powerbook_g5.thumb.jpg |
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| 09:09.01 | tralala | !+tell HNS-I -about msg the bot |
| 09:09.01 | dpkg | told HNS-I about msg the bot. |
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| 09:14.03 | UNDERsoN | how enable via /etc/network/interfaces eth0 device in promisc mode |
| 09:14.06 | UNDERsoN | ? |
| 09:14.27 | wols_ | UNDERsoN: why? the sniffer will do that for you on its own |
| 09:15.12 | UNDERsoN | wols it's not for snifer it's for bridging |
| 09:15.23 | wols_ | what for? |
| 09:15.36 | wols_ | why would a ridge need promiscuous mode? |
| 09:15.47 | wols_ | my bridges never did |
| 09:15.47 | tralala | UNDERsoN, add an "up" line with the appropriate promisc command |
| 09:15.48 | jelly-home | UNDERsoN: bridging will also do it automatically when you configure it right |
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| 09:16.14 | wols_ | jelly-home: in what case does it need to be? |
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| 09:16.31 | jelly-home | wols_: how else would a card capture frames destined for a virtual card's MAC? |
| 09:16.48 | UNDERsoN | iface inet eth0 manual up ifconfig 0.0.0.0 promisc up? |
| 09:16.55 | UNDERsoN | something like that? |
| 09:17.02 | jelly-home | UNDERsoN: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 09:17.14 | wols_ | well, I simply did what I had to with the bridgutils (combinging 2 interfaces) and I was done |
| 09:17.47 | wols_ | then I could capter the whole in/out network traffic to check for bad connections to russia (there was some phishing going on) |
| 09:17.50 | tralala | UNDERsoN, no, somthing like the examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ and man interfaces |
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| 09:17.57 | wols_ | worked well, never needed any promisc |
| 09:18.27 | wols_ | and the debian box did it's job very well |
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| 09:18.42 | jelly-home | wols_: so it put the card into promisc mode magically but you didn't notice, I guess |
| 09:18.58 | wols_ | probably. so UNDERsoN wouldn't need it either :) |
| 09:19.10 | wols_ | tho, the snifing I simply did by logging everything with iptables |
| 09:19.26 | wols_ | all I cared were IPs and ports |
| 09:19.47 | tralala | wols_, so you used bridging for transparent sniffig? |
| 09:19.56 | jelly-home | now that I've actually taken a look at my interfaces, I actually do put eth0 in promisc mode explicitely O:-) |
| 09:20.09 | tralala | jelly-home, ops ;) |
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| 09:20.48 | wols_ | tralala: yes. needed a totally uncompromised host in a windows env. debian was a good choice on a old PC |
| 09:21.08 | wols_ | then I logged to disk and check it once a week for a few weeks |
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| 09:22.26 | tralala | wols_, the debian pc being the router right? |
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| 09:23.05 | wols_ | no. the debian pc being in between the router and the switch |
| 09:23.19 | wols_ | listening in on ALL packets going in and out |
| 09:23.32 | tralala | ah, I see. That's why you needed bridging |
| 09:23.37 | wols_ | yes |
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| 09:25.43 | tralala | perhaps I should try to use briding to hack up my iptv box |
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| 09:28.44 | blue | tralala: installed udev, mounted devpts and i now have plenty of pty's. so thanks again :) |
| 09:29.17 | tralala | blue, welcome again :) |
| 09:30.09 | spoown | how can I check available package from backports ? apt-cache search give me the same things ... |
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| 09:30.28 | webPrag\Laptop | wols_: does sieve only filter incoming mail? |
| 09:30.35 | tralala | spoown, did you add them to your sources? did you update? |
| 09:30.56 | spoown | yes ! |
| 09:31.12 | spoown | I got an pkg error key, but thought that is perhaps normal ! |
| 09:31.18 | spoown | gpg error instead |
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| 09:31.35 | tralala | spoown, apt-cache search image-2.6.22 |
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| 09:32.17 | spoown | OK thanks, I only search with kernel keyword !! |
| 09:32.24 | spoown | good to known it ! |
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| 09:33.51 | tralala | spoown, since etch the kernel packages don't have kernel in their name |
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| 09:37.08 | xored | i have a mirror-raid. When i add a 3rd partition, which is bigger then the raid-size, what happens? Will the new partition be resized, or will it just stay and the partition wont be used fully ? |
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| 09:39.28 | SlayerXP | xored: the latter |
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| 09:43.48 | UNDERsoN | how I can save route table? i making route add.... 1o commands after reboot I should run script again |
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| 09:45.09 | webPrag\Laptop | UNDERsoN: search for articles slicehost on google |
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| 09:45.36 | webPrag\Laptop | or wait do you mean ip table? |
| 09:45.44 | doff | UNDERsoN, add your script to /etc/rc.local |
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| 09:47.31 | dondelelcaro | UNDERsoN: generally there's an appropriate /etc/network/interfaces option that will do whatever you're trying to do. |
| 09:47.47 | xored | UNDERsoN: what about making a bash script with route add commands, which build your table.. instead fo saving the result. |
| 09:47.49 | UNDERsoN | UNDERsoN, add your script to /etc/rc.local>> it's not best variant |
| 09:48.01 | dondelelcaro | UNDERsoN: what are these routes that you're adding for? |
| 09:49.16 | UNDERsoN | for other networks ( city lan) i have 10-15 routes I don't know why my provider could'n make it on router. He makes exe files wich add route table in windows I made script for linux |
| 09:49.49 | dondelelcaro | UNDERsoN: why doesn't the default gateway know what routes to use to get to those machines? |
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| 09:50.11 | UNDERsoN | dondelelcaro: UNDERsoN: why doesn't the default gateway know what routes to use to get to those machines?>> it's a question for my provider |
| 09:50.29 | dondelelcaro | UNDERsoN: right; that tells you that your provider has "issues" |
| 09:50.42 | wols_ | webPrag\Laptop: usually yes |
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| 09:50.51 | UNDERsoN | my provider admin -> /dev/hands not detected |
| 09:51.26 | UNDERsoN | He write an exe file for all clients every machine manualy adds route .... |
| 09:52.08 | dondelelcaro | UNDERsoN: in any event, the right way to do this sort of thing is to add 'up /sbin/route add blahbalh' lines to the appropriate stanza in /etc/network/interfaces so when the interface comes up, the routes come up too. |
| 09:52.47 | dondelelcaro | UNDERsoN: if it's truely an insane number, you can just call a little script that you shove in /etc/network/interfaces from one of the up lines in the interface stanza. man 5 interfaces; for details. |
| 09:53.35 | webPrag\Laptop | wols_: I got it after searching around..... thanks..... never though to use sieve |
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| 09:54.45 | eivind | Hey guys. Is there any faq somewhere about compiling mysql-applications on etch4? I am unable to find out where the headers are located... |
| 09:54.45 | UNDERsoN | dondelelcaro>> thank's it will do the same as manualy adding routes but in autostart? |
| 09:55.07 | UNDERsoN | Sometimes route that I add is going away from table |
| 09:55.17 | xored | eivind: get the mysql dev package ? |
| 09:55.51 | tralala | eivind, (almost?) all the headers in debian are located in -dev packages |
| 09:56.35 | dondelelcaro | UNDERsoN: yes, and most importantly, they'll come back if you bring down and bring back up the interface. |
| 09:56.49 | eivind | Yeah, I know about the dev packages, but my client-packages is libmysqlclient15off, and I can't find it's corresponding -dev package (or any other for that matter) with apt-cache search... |
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| 09:57.14 | dondelelcaro | eivind: it's 15-dev |
| 09:57.19 | wols_ | El_Guillermo: apt-cache search mysql |grep dev |
| 09:57.37 | dondelelcaro | eivind: (alternatively, if it's not unstable, it's probably called libmysqlclient-dev) |
| 09:57.40 | eivind | El_Guillermo: Yes, no luck with that... |
| 09:57.43 | tralala | wols_'s lame tab completion in action! |
| 09:58.04 | dondelelcaro | tralala: nah, it's the fact that il1 are fairly similar... |
| 09:58.09 | wols_ | no need for roses on stage. I be here all week |
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| 09:59.01 | wols_ | tralala: and I used two whole letters before pressing tab |
| 09:59.03 | eivind | Argh. got "libmysqlclient15-dev: Depends: libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.32-7etch5) but 5.0.32-7etch4 is to be installed"............ |
| 09:59.28 | tralala | wols_, s/lame tab completion/lame typing/ ;) |
| 09:59.40 | eivind | That is a repeating story on this system. Whats up with etch4 vs etch5...? Maybe my sources-list is sick... |
| 09:59.40 | wols_ | lazy typing! not lame |
| 09:59.40 | dondelelcaro | eivind: you don't have a security line, or you haven't run aptitude update; recently. |
| 10:00.09 | tralala | wols_, hitting L instead of i isn't lazy - it's lame |
| 10:00.26 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: why is ubuntu's ubotu so fast with !fino and dpkg so slow? |
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| 10:00.36 | eivind | I ran apt-get update 10 minutes ago... but that's right! No security line! |
| 10:00.46 | wols_ | tralala: I honestly read EL until now... |
| 10:00.53 | eivind | Oh no - it's there: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:00.53 | wols_ | maybe I need a bigger font or better glasses? |
| 10:01.07 | xored | is it normal that the partition numbers change, when i remove a parition in the middle ? |
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| 10:01.24 | dondelelcaro | wols_: dunno, I often have trouble telling il1I|! apart at a glance |
| 10:01.24 | wols_ | xored: yes |
| 10:01.30 | pbn | Hi there... the weekly builds of lenny aren't quite weekly, the last one on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ is from Feb 11 ... |
| 10:01.41 | xored | wols_: bad thing ( for raids ) |
| 10:01.42 | tralala | wols_, you better get a bigger font or you'll need stronger glasses soon |
| 10:01.51 | wols_ | !tell xored about uuid |
| 10:02.17 | wols_ | tho I dunno if you can use that with raid |
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| 10:02.21 | xored | wols_: i have just a faulty raid here, because of that |
| 10:02.26 | tralala | xored, not if you remove using fdisk |
| 10:02.37 | xored | wols_: hmm interesting thing. |
| 10:03.06 | tralala | or at least not in my experience |
| 10:03.17 | xored | tralala: ye iam on a suse crap system here, and i just wondered, i never faced that on my etch machines. But its yast, so nothing to wonder about |
| 10:03.19 | tralala | parted however renumbers the partitions |
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| 10:03.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to burn an ISO from the command line? I've gotten too used to K3b, forgot the command line stuff (growisofs etc...) |
| 10:03.53 | xored | maybe parted is used internaly, no idea. I dont care fully, wont touch that system anyway anymore |
| 10:03.59 | dondelelcaro | wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso |
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| 10:04.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | dondelelcaro: Thanks :) |
| 10:04.22 | dondelelcaro | man wodim for details |
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| 10:05.00 | tralala | xored, that would be the best :) |
| 10:05.28 | tralala | I haven't seen yast in action for many years now and I can't say I miss it. |
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| 10:05.42 | xored | does a raid resize automatically ( or after remount ) when i add 2 new bigger partition and remove the smaller ones ( raid 1 ) |
| 10:06.12 | xored | tralala: i saw it 3 times here. on a p III 333. Its like you calculate 400x400 matrix |
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| 10:06.51 | eivind | What is really the difference between etch4 and etch5? |
| 10:07.10 | xored | if you install a package, which is e..g vim with extras, and he fails to connect to his portage, he asks you on _each_ package, what he shall do, even if you skipped the first one ( because of no internets etc )..so its takse like 5 minutes to get out there :) |
| 10:07.18 | Tapout | there's a 4 in one, and a 5 in the other |
| 10:07.19 | tralala | eivind, pager /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog* |
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| 10:08.44 | tralala | xored, they are trying to bring the wormth of windows experience |
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| 10:09.09 | tralala | warmth |
| 10:09.32 | xored | tralala: yeah, great. I touched the suse things under "force" again, after traied smth like 4.x, now i tried 10.3 and i swear, i will really never ever get my hands on it. |
| 10:10.01 | Arafangion | Hey, with the latest version of Debian (stable), running Gnome, why might playing DVD's become very jerky if I had previously played a DVD before? (I have to actually reboot, restarting the X11 session is not sufficient) |
| 10:10.05 | Arafangion | I'm using Totem. |
| 10:10.12 | xored | but iam offtopic, sorry |
| 10:10.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | dondelelcaro: That line would be nice to have in dpkg's list of one-liners ;) |
| 10:10.28 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: you can add it... |
| 10:10.53 | tralala | xored, don't swear but you've got to hope :) |
| 10:10.57 | xored | Arafangion: DMA problem ? No glx support etc? |
| 10:11.02 | xored | tralala: :)= |
| 10:11.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | dpkg the bot, not the packaging system |
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| 10:12.02 | tralala | Arafangion, maybe you have leftover totem processes messing things up. Check the ouput of top on a second play |
| 10:12.23 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, yes, you can add there too |
| 10:12.28 | Arafangion | tralala: I've checked ps aux, and I could not see any remainng "totem" process. |
| 10:12.36 | Arafangion | tralala: That was indeed my first thought, though. |
| 10:12.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: oh? |
| 10:12.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: How? |
| 10:12.51 | Arafangion | xored: If that was the problem, then why was my first DVD movie just fine? |
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| 10:13.06 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, /msg dpkg help |
| 10:13.10 | xored | how do you remove a drive out of an array..i dont get the syntax. mdadm --manage --remove /dev/md0 #NUMBER ? |
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| 10:13.40 | tralala | Arafangion, check top, and sort by cpu usage |
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| 10:14.54 | Arafangion | tralala: Whatever it is appears to be io-bound. :( |
| 10:15.23 | tralala | Arafangion, "appears"? How? |
| 10:15.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | ! burniso |
| 10:15.44 | dpkg | somebody said burniso was wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso |
| 10:16.16 | tralala | !win Dark_Apostrophe |
| 10:16.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, Dark_Apostrophe! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 10:16.20 | Arafangion | tralala: Well, it's a periodic/intermittent freeze, and total CPU usage is rather low, and I have heaps of ram. |
| 10:16.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | haha, thanks, tralala |
| 10:16.31 | tralala | ;) |
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| 10:18.05 | tralala | Arafangion, anything in the logs? Which app is using the cpu during the freeze? What is strace showing during the freeze? |
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| 10:19.01 | Arafangion | tralala: How would I know which app is using the cpu during the freeze? Even the mouse pointer stops moving for 1/20th (or so) of a second. |
| 10:19.25 | tralala | Arafangion, with top |
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| 10:20.22 | Arafangion | tralala: I have already been monitoring top. |
| 10:20.37 | tralala | Arafangion, so what's on top during freeze? |
| 10:21.07 | Arafangion | tralala: Let me check again, Totem was using 30% of the cpu or something, usually. |
| 10:21.17 | tralala | and what about the sound? Do you have any sound daemons running? |
| 10:22.16 | tralala | do you get freezes if you play music with another app? |
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| 10:22.28 | xored | when does a raid-1 device resize, if i exchange one after another, each small partition with a bigger one ( syncing ) to have lets say 2x 100GB instead of 2x 50GB in the array |
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| 10:24.05 | Arafangion | tralala: Not sure about the sound. I'm deaf. |
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| 10:25.34 | tralala | Arafangion, let's try mplayer in this case. See if it will freeze. |
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| 10:27.42 | Arafangion | tralala: A better description is probably "everything gets jerky while totem plays a second DVD". |
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| 10:28.02 | asabil | I am having problems with the binutils cross package |
| 10:28.17 | asabil | it installs the files with the wrong permissions |
| 10:28.29 | asabil | anyone has an idea why this can happen ? |
| 10:29.38 | tralala | Arafangion, okay, this does look like an IDE IO problem. Anything in the logs? |
| 10:29.40 | wols_ | cauesw the maintainer did it wrong |
| 10:29.47 | wols_ | wo packaged the binutils? |
| 10:29.57 | Arafangion | tralala: Dmesg, you mean? |
| 10:30.07 | tralala | Arafangion, and /var/log/syslog |
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| 10:31.28 | Arafangion | tralala: Hmm, got a large bunch of io errors on hdb, according to dmesg, appears that totem kept trying to access the disk. |
| 10:31.40 | Arafangion | tralala: Not sure if they're still occuring, now that the window is actually closed. |
| 10:31.57 | Arafangion | Looks like the io errors have stopped. |
| 10:32.17 | tralala | Arafangion, paste it |
| 10:32.22 | asabil | it creates the /usr/msp430 with drwx------ root root |
| 10:32.24 | tralala | from the beginning |
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| 10:32.53 | matholio | hello all |
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| 10:33.18 | Arafangion | http://rafb.net/p/3Vzj8G28.html |
| 10:33.26 | matholio | is there an easy way to automatically run a python script when Etch boots ? |
| 10:34.00 | chandor | matholio: put it into /etc/rc.local |
| 10:34.00 | tralala | Arafangion, does this happen with other discs too? It might be a damaged disc. |
| 10:34.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell matholio -about run at boot |
| 10:34.17 | Arafangion | tralala: /var/log/syslog is much easier to monitor, it has similar errors to dmesg, but no new logs are being added. |
| 10:34.37 | Arafangion | tralala: Let me try running totem again, and this has occured on all my 'Without a Trace' disks. (Got the entire second season) |
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| 10:35.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, run at boot is <reply> see run at startup |
| 10:35.10 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 10:35.34 | steinchen | hi all .. running mm 1:2.1.9-7 (debian 4.0 / exim4) but not getting it to work .. i can create lists etc thru the webinterface and locally - but cant send to the lists. no errors in the logs etc. is there some good howto for exim? |
| 10:35.36 | matholio | coo ta |
| 10:35.41 | steinchen | mm=mailman |
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| 10:36.29 | Arafangion | tralala: And the I/O errors only occur briefly while the disk is in the process of ejecting. |
| 10:36.42 | Arafangion | tralala: With teh "push the button on the drive" method. |
| 10:37.05 | tralala | steinchen, does the mainlog show the mails being accepted? |
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| 10:38.39 | tralala | Arafangion, what does mount show (without a disc in the drive)? |
| 10:38.49 | steinchen | tralala, no i guess.. checked all logs (exim4/mailman).. but nothing |
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| 10:39.42 | tralala | steinchen, this means they are not arriving which is not a problem with the exim/mailman config |
| 10:39.42 | Arafangion | tralala: mount shows a whole bunch of entries, none of which refer to hdb in any form. |
| 10:39.43 | jayaraj | anybody home? |
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| 10:40.01 | tralala | Arafangion, and with the disc in? |
| 10:40.16 | Arafangion | tralala: The jerks only occur while the second (or later) instances during which totem is actually playing. Let me get mplayer working. |
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| 10:40.57 | tralala | Arafangion, this has nothing to do with the player - what you see are kernel messages. |
| 10:41.39 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.54 | tralala | steinchen, what's the mailing list address? |
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| 10:42.31 | jelly | tralala, steinchen: sounds like "forgot to set up aliases" |
| 10:42.33 | naxxatoe | hi guys, is there a way to find a maintainer for a given debian package? |
| 10:42.59 | tralala | jelly, shouldn't this result in some rejection logs? |
| 10:43.09 | naxxatoe | ie: you notice that a package hasnt been updated in the last mhh two years? and there are plenty new releases around? |
| 10:43.11 | steinchen | seems that port 25 is blocked? but its opened in iptables ... nc shows up "Connection refused" |
| 10:43.12 | jelly | tralala: yes, yes it should. |
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| 10:43.40 | jelly | steinchen: is your exim listening only on localhost? |
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| 10:44.38 | steinchen | doh seems so yes.. |
| 10:45.32 | steinchen | yes .. :/ "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 15249/exim4" .. where do i change that? |
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| 10:46.28 | tralala | steinchen, /msg dpkg exim4 reconfigure |
| 10:46.36 | Arafangion | tralala: Interesting, it could be an ATI driver issue. :( |
| 10:46.47 | tralala | Arafangion, mplayer does the same? |
| 10:47.06 | Arafangion | tralala: With mplayer, I still have jerks, but they are /much/ smoother |
| 10:47.47 | tralala | Arafangion, try also mplayer -vo null and mplayer -nosound to see which part is causing it |
| 10:48.38 | Arafangion | -nosound is an excellent idea. |
| 10:48.59 | Arafangion | Ok, that was the issue - no jerks whatsoever. |
| 10:49.10 | tralala | Arafangion, -nosound? |
| 10:49.14 | Arafangion | Yeah. |
| 10:49.30 | tralala | Arafangion, apparently there's a sound daemon messing the things up |
| 10:49.40 | Arafangion | Does look that way. |
| 10:50.14 | tralala | Arafangion, you can find it and disable it, or you can use mplayer to watch |
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| 10:51.02 | py_ | Hello |
| 10:51.17 | kunsi | hi |
| 10:51.32 | steinchen | ty |
| 10:51.40 | tralala | wc |
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| 10:52.39 | Arafangion | tralala: Quite possibly Totem's simply buggy. |
| 10:52.55 | tengulre | how to let apache support cgi with c language? |
| 10:53.11 | tralala | Arafangion, I doubt it, given that mplayer has the same problem. |
| 10:53.13 | py_ | I have a daemon I want to run from init.d. I've written a start-stop script which works quite well. However, I would like this daemon to get automagically restarted if it happens to crash (eg segfault). Are there some standard tools around providing this functionnaility, or am I on my own? |
| 10:53.26 | Arafangion | tengulre: If apache is setup to run cgi's, then it is completely and utterly langauge agnostic. |
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| 10:54.11 | Arafangion | tralala: Unless Totem started something that also competed for sound. |
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| 10:54.44 | tralala | py_, only things in inittab are restarted on crash |
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| 10:55.51 | xand | my007ms: we don't care |
| 10:55.52 | Roobarb | tralala: assuming the crash causes the program to cease running |
| 10:55.54 | tralala | Arafangion, if gnome is configured to use a sound daemon it's possible that this daemon is started on demand, i.e. when an app is trying to use it. In this case it should have some sort of timeout and it will stop. |
| 10:56.14 | tralala | Roobarb, right |
| 10:56.28 | tralala | !+tell my007ms -about away |
| 10:56.28 | dpkg | told my007ms about away. |
| 10:57.00 | Arafangion | tralala: "should". :( |
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| 10:57.31 | tralala | Arafangion, have you tried waiting for, say, 5 minutes before playing another dvd? |
| 10:57.39 | Arafangion | tralala: I notice that when poking around "System Preferences", the "Enable software sound mixing (ESD)" is disabled. |
| 10:57.46 | Arafangion | tralala: Yes. |
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| 10:58.16 | tralala | Arafangion, paste the output of ps axu to http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 10:58.32 | py_ | tralala: so I would have to get it invoked from inittab, with a "respawn" parameter? |
| 10:58.33 | Arafangion | (Though, it seems to be playing with sound now, yet it's no-longer jerking, I guess the sound daemon must've given up.) |
| 10:58.37 | Arafangion | It's definetly related to sound. |
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| 10:59.03 | steinchen | do i have to set those aliases? |
| 10:59.35 | tralala | py_, yes |
| 10:59.58 | lastpak | anyone hee allready synk'd a motorola with a debian box? |
| 11:00.26 | lastpak | here |
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| 11:03.10 | Arafangion | tralala: Well, thanks for your help. It's getting rather late (10pm already), and mplayer works perfectly fine, especially if I don't touch totem. |
| 11:04.58 | Arafangion | Totem doesn't display the DVD menu, though. |
| 11:05.01 | Arafangion | *mplayer, that is. |
| 11:05.07 | Arafangion | (totem does display the dvd menu) |
| 11:05.55 | tralala | yes, mplayer doesn't handle dvds very nice |
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| 11:10.42 | erik2 | openoffice 2.3 is still experimental on debian. However: is it working well ? |
| 11:10.59 | Arafangion | tralala: gxine is much better, it seems, it appears to report that I do not actually have dma enabled. |
| 11:11.17 | Arafangion | tralala: Though it's odd that the first time I watch a DVD it was fine, but anyway. |
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| 11:12.29 | Arafangion | :q! |
| 11:13.58 | tralala | Arafangion, maybe there is a problem with the controller/device too. Or maybe it's because you are ejecting dvds while they play. |
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| 11:14.41 | Arafangion | tralala: I distinctly remember everything working perfectly fine with Ubuntu - but ubuntu does use a much newer kernel by default. |
| 11:15.12 | tralala | Arafangion, is this a laptop? |
| 11:15.18 | Arafangion | tralala: Yes, it is actually. |
| 11:15.49 | tralala | Arafangion, in this case a newer kernel is a good idea. Your best bet currently seems to be a kmuto kernel. |
| 11:15.53 | Arafangion | Hmm, and this is the 2.6.18 kernel, it seems. |
| 11:15.55 | Arafangion | kmuto kernel? |
| 11:16.00 | liable | erik2: it still being in experimental should give some clue |
| 11:16.02 | tralala | Arafangion, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 11:17.55 | Arafangion | tralala: That site has mostly iso's. I'm happy with compiling my own kernels, though. |
| 11:18.53 | tralala | Arafangion, and the isos have kernel packages. But compiling is fine if you know what you're doing. |
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| 11:19.20 | Arafangion | tralala: I do, but since I started work, I've noticed I tend to come here alot more often. :) |
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| 11:21.16 | tralala | Arafangion, am I expected to see any connection between compiling kernels, starting work, and increased irc time? |
| 11:22.00 | Arafangion | tralala: Don't forget the port. |
| 11:22.11 | themill | !tell gener1x about root |
| 11:22.43 | tralala | !confuse Arafangion |
| 11:22.43 | dpkg | No, those is their bacon yesterday, Arafangion? trousers of the monarchy of micronesia with extra cream |
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| 11:22.59 | Arafangion | tralala: But I am indeed finding that I have alot less energy to deal with linux issues, as work exhausts me with dealing with issues all day. :( (Vista is pure crap!) |
| 11:23.01 | voltagex | on the macbook with modprobe applesmc, which temperature is which? |
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| 11:23.18 | voltagex | there are 12! http://pastebin.ca/910975 |
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| 11:24.32 | tralala | Arafangion, ah, I see. I find myself growing increasingly userish lately. I expect things to work and I'm not really willing to spend hours and days to fix stuff anymore. |
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| 11:25.16 | tralala | voltagex, is there no acpi on macs? |
| 11:25.20 | gener1x | god damn |
| 11:25.23 | gener1x | sorry |
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| 11:25.51 | gener1x | can someone answer my question please? |
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| 11:26.11 | tralala | gener1x, yes |
| 11:26.14 | tralala | next! |
| 11:26.18 | Arafangion | tralala: Likewise - people can only really handle so much learning in one day, and sometimes it's all just more of the same. |
| 11:26.31 | gener1x | i already asked it above |
| 11:26.49 | gener1x | the script quit |
| 11:26.54 | gener1x | and now im back |
| 11:27.13 | zulu | hi I'm trying to build my custom package |
| 11:27.23 | gener1x | ah ill ask it again |
| 11:27.25 | zulu | at installation I get : control info rmdir of `usr' didn't say not a dir: Directory not empty |
| 11:28.00 | zulu | somebody know what it's about ? |
| 11:28.01 | tralala | gener1x, you didn't because you can't post as root |
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| 11:28.25 | gener1x | should have copy pasted |
| 11:28.30 | gener1x | not as smart i presume |
| 11:28.32 | gener1x | anyways |
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| 11:30.04 | gener1x | i got error 15 from grub and i cant boot into the sys , so i am trying to fix the grub.conf but alas i cant find it nor the /boot in my debian partition , i am currently on a live cd |
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| 11:30.43 | tralala | Arafangion, it's not about learning anymore. I know how to fix stuff already and I don't find it challanging or worthed to spend time on things that should simply work. |
| 11:30.48 | pzn | Hi, if my ISP dns servers are "unstable", dnsmasq in my machine hangs. do you know any other dns caching program that is more reliable than dnsmasq? |
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| 11:31.08 | Arafangion | tralala: That is a more accurate assessment. |
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| 11:31.42 | Arafangion | tralala: Are you a programmer by any chance? |
| 11:32.16 | tralala | gener1x, maybe you have a separate /boot partition |
| 11:32.22 | gener1x | nope |
| 11:32.27 | tralala | gener1x, paste the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 11:32.34 | gener1x | i partitioned only /home separatly |
| 11:32.39 | tralala | Arafangion, yes |
| 11:32.54 | Arafangion | tralala: Me too. :) I'm doing Delphi dev atm, actually. |
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| 11:34.04 | gener1x | sda1 root sda2 extended > sda6 /home sda5 swap |
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| 11:34.49 | tralala | gener1x, and you don't have /boot? How did you install? |
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| 11:35.26 | gener1x | i installed debian on the sda1 and configured in the fstab the /home to sda6 |
| 11:35.28 | tralala | Arafangion, I never got attacted by the visual development tools. |
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| 11:35.46 | bulbulred | Hi, i have just installed a zabbix server, agent and frontend. Installaion worked fine. But my host (zabbix server itself) is monitored but the availability is UNKNOWN... my server log is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56731/ and my agent log is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56732/ |
| 11:35.52 | tralala | gener1x, how did you install? |
| 11:35.53 | Arafangion | tralala: When it comes to forms, they're nice, I've yet to find one as good as Glade, though. |
| 11:36.05 | gener1x | the installation worked fine man |
| 11:36.32 | gener1x | i suspect i did something to mess with the mbr brub that massed it up |
| 11:36.36 | Arafangion | tralala: The problem is when most people put significant logic into those forms, rather than keeping them as separate as possible. |
| 11:36.52 | gener1x | <tralala>i installed debian on the sda1 and configured in the fstab the /home to sda6 |
| 11:37.17 | tralala | gener1x, this is not what I'm asking. Which installation method did you use? |
| 11:37.19 | gener1x | the partitions were already there from my earlyer install |
| 11:37.37 | gener1x | the default one |
| 11:37.39 | gener1x | dvd1 |
| 11:37.39 | tralala | Arafangion, actually I never got interested in programming GUIs |
| 11:37.52 | gener1x | and then updated to texting |
| 11:38.00 | gener1x | tsting* |
| 11:38.03 | gener1x | ah!! |
| 11:38.06 | gener1x | testing* |
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| 11:38.11 | Arafangion | tralala: Likewise, incidentially. I tend to prefer program design issues. |
| 11:38.30 | Arafangion | tralala: I wish that delphi had generics, templates, or any sort of macro facility! |
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| 11:39.00 | tralala | Arafangion, tried python? |
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| 11:39.23 | Arafangion | tralala: Yup, nice language, but not about to rewrite it all in python just because it's better. :) |
| 11:39.29 | tralala | gener1x, and after the upgrade your /boot went missing? |
| 11:39.35 | gener1x | nope lol |
| 11:39.54 | gener1x | i tried to install bt3 to a usb i think that massed it up |
| 11:40.01 | gener1x | debian was fine |
| 11:40.35 | gener1x | instead of copying it to the usb boot it probably massed with my mbr |
| 11:40.51 | tralala | gener1x, well, from the live-cd chroot to debian and reinstall grub and linux-image* |
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| 11:41.13 | gener1x | why the linux-image? |
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| 11:41.36 | tralala | gener1x, because /boot contains the kernel and the initrd images |
| 11:41.42 | gener1x | ahhhhhhhh |
| 11:41.45 | gener1x | right :D |
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| 11:42.32 | gener1x | that is almost like reinstalling deb(effortwise) |
| 11:42.37 | Arafangion | Not really. |
| 11:42.49 | Arafangion | Basically a single dpkg -i. |
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| 11:43.06 | gener1x | ah |
| 11:43.10 | tralala | gener1x, effort wise it's nothing like reinstalling. |
| 11:43.13 | smallGoblin | raving giraffes! |
| 11:43.22 | tralala | and dpkg -i isn't the proper way - aptitude reinstall is |
| 11:43.24 | gener1x | i need to learn how to do it |
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| 11:43.49 | HNS-I | I've just busted a nut |
| 11:43.50 | gener1x | i us apt-get ... |
| 11:43.56 | gener1x | use* |
| 11:44.09 | Arafangion | gener1x: aptitude's got somewhat better dependency management. |
| 11:44.20 | gener1x | ok |
| 11:44.25 | HNS-I | felt like sharing it with you guys |
| 11:44.33 | gener1x | does it have backward support for apt? |
| 11:44.42 | tralala | HNS-I, thank you so much for sharing |
| 11:44.58 | Arafangion | gener1x: You could nearly just alias apt-get to aptitude. |
| 11:45.12 | gener1x | cool |
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| 11:45.15 | gener1x | thanks alot |
| 11:45.17 | tralala | gener1x, this question makes no sense. Both aptitude and apt-get are frontends for apt |
| 11:45.36 | gener1x | ah ok |
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| 11:45.38 | HNS-I | tralala:You know when you got one of those days when you just keep getting hard ons? |
| 11:45.43 | nevyn | sigh. |
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| 11:46.24 | Arafangion | !ops HNS-I has a peculiar facination with nuts and bolts. |
| 11:46.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: arafangion complains about: HNS-I has a peculiar facination with nuts and bolts. |
| 11:46.29 | nevyn | HNS do I need to get out the inappropriate for #debian stamp? |
| 11:46.44 | tralala | nevyn, too late |
| 11:46.53 | nevyn | tralala: obviously |
| 11:46.55 | HNS-I | haha |
| 11:47.20 | HNS-I | I'm sorry |
| 11:47.51 | Arafangion | What kind of irc nickname is '):', anyway? |
| 11:47.58 | nevyn | let's face it this is #debian where an op is never around when called... you're unlikely to recieve the punishment you deserve... |
| 11:48.01 | Arafangion | (Pretty cool, actually) |
| 11:48.57 | HNS-I | nevyn: I don't deserve any punishment |
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| 11:50.03 | Arafangion | HNS-I: That was never the point of discussion. |
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| 11:52.40 | smallGoblin | glooping blutenfoofers |
| 11:53.05 | liable | hah, wtf |
| 11:53.29 | mentor | HNS-I: You should have listened to nevyn |
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| 11:53.47 | HNS-I | i did |
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| 11:54.12 | shecki | hi, i've a strange problem |
| 11:54.19 | shecki | installed amd64 netinst-CD |
| 11:54.29 | shecki | apt-get update no errors |
| 11:54.41 | shecki | apt-get install anything doesn't trust |
| 11:54.42 | Arafangion | shecki: That's strange indeed - most people would've just installed the 32-bit version. ;) |
| 11:54.47 | mentor | Or at least, he should have been contrite |
| 11:54.52 | shecki | not on a server ;) |
| 11:55.07 | Arafangion | shecki: Ahh, indeed, continue. :) |
| 11:55.19 | shecki | on which we want to test the new win2008 server in VM |
| 11:55.22 | shecki | ok |
| 11:55.29 | Arafangion | shecki: Which VM? |
| 11:55.30 | pijubuntu | Arafangion, im using amd64 |
| 11:55.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 11:55.39 | shecki | VMware, but this isn't just installed |
| 11:55.55 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@s559188e8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by mentor |
| 11:55.56 | shecki | now only the base system is installed |
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| 11:56.16 | tralala | shecki, /msg dpkg key |
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| 11:58.25 | shecki | got someone on the german channel, thats much easier for me :) |
| 11:58.45 | HNS-I | debian-germany ? |
| 11:58.56 | gener1x | febian-de ? |
| 11:59.03 | themill | !de |
| 11:59.03 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 11:59.14 | gener1x | !il |
| 11:59.14 | dpkg | methinks il is Israel, home of some truly great people |
| 11:59.23 | gener1x | :P |
| 11:59.25 | gener1x | thanks |
| 11:59.39 | gener1x | !be |
| 11:59.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. |
| 11:59.46 | HNS-I | !nl |
| 11:59.46 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 11:59.50 | themill | !tell gener1x about msg the bot |
| 12:00.17 | gener1x | ~_~ all the fun is gone |
| 12:00.18 | apt | gener1x: okay |
| 12:00.29 | themill | apt: shut up |
| 12:00.30 | apt | i'm sorry, master themill |
| 12:00.43 | tralala | apt, forget _~ all the fun |
| 12:00.44 | apt | tralala: i forgot _~ all the fun |
| 12:00.59 | gener1x | lol |
| 12:01.24 | gener1x | is ~ an operator for that bot? |
| 12:01.55 | HNS-I | no ~ is for people that have too much time on their hands ;) |
| 12:01.56 | Cr3ature | safgds |
| 12:01.59 | themill | gener1x: yep. ~ triggers apt, ! dpkg, @ ravenbird. |
| 12:02.07 | Cr3ature | what does -> do in C? |
| 12:02.08 | gener1x | soz |
| 12:02.22 | Cr3ature | points to something inside of an array? |
| 12:02.26 | themill | gener1x: dpkg is the main bot, the others are backups in case dpkg goes walkabout on us |
| 12:02.36 | gener1x | hah |
| 12:02.36 | gener1x | cool |
| 12:02.39 | Arafangion | Cr3ature: foo-> is syntatic sugar for (*foo). |
| 12:02.48 | Arafangion | Cr3ature: For other questions, refer to ##c. |
| 12:02.54 | Cr3ature | they don't know |
| 12:03.05 | Cr3ature | that channel is only for complex C problems |
| 12:03.08 | HNS-I | oc they do |
| 12:03.13 | Arafangion | Cr3ature: Bullshit. |
| 12:03.25 | gener1x | i am afraid they are stuck ups |
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| 12:03.31 | Cr3ature | there is not a single person that would care to explain that |
| 12:03.35 | themill | Cr3ature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operators_in_C_and_C%2B%2B |
| 12:03.52 | Arafangion | gener1x: Granted, they do suggest that people actually read their books, but other than that... |
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| 12:04.21 | HNS-I | Arafangion: With some verbal abuse |
| 12:04.39 | gener1x | did you mean RT@M? |
| 12:04.46 | HNS-I | *textual |
| 12:04.48 | gener1x | nah no way! |
| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/bash_completion' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.27 | HNS-I | If you have a pointer to a struct you can access a member with ptr->memberA |
| 12:05.43 | liable | funny that the bot seems to quit when thee seems to be cross channel factoid fuckups |
| 12:05.47 | gener1x | ruby is way smarter than that |
| 12:06.04 | Arafangion | gener1x: But C is /faster/. |
| 12:06.12 | gener1x | got a point there |
| 12:06.29 | liable | lets not start a language war.. |
| 12:06.40 | gener1x | i like hebrew!! |
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| 12:06.49 | gener1x | :P |
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| 12:07.08 | liable | hrm, i prefer perculated |
| 12:07.13 | Arafangion | liable: You'd be hard-pressed to find a faster mainstream language than Ruby, though. |
| 12:07.18 | HNS-I | c and ruby are like apples and pears |
| 12:07.20 | gener1x | hebrew is like the true assambly |
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| 12:07.31 | liable | Arafangion: STFU |
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| 12:07.49 | HNS-I | c is 3gpl and ruby 4gpl |
| 12:08.05 | gener1x | lets stop! |
| 12:08.22 | HNS-I | Arafangion: Found:python |
| 12:08.24 | my007ms | hey i was setway and now need to set my status to be back without announce this in channel |
| 12:08.28 | gener1x | and who cares about the public licens ? |
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| 12:08.59 | liable | my007ms: dont use away in this cannel |
| 12:09.07 | liable | +h |
| 12:09.29 | my007ms | liable yes i use it b4 and i know it's not good |
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| 12:10.02 | liable | my007ms: /msg dpkg away .. explains it all |
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| 12:10.12 | gener1x | and then God made the Away Message and so that it was not good.. |
| 12:10.16 | HNS-I | gener1x: gpl in this case stands for generation programminglanguage ;) |
| 12:10.27 | gener1x | hah :P |
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| 12:11.04 | HNS-I | and 3gpl and 4gpl aren't compatible ;) |
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| 12:11.33 | gener1x | so you need to compare ruby to cpp? |
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| 12:14.53 | HNS-I | gener1x: I wouldn't |
| 12:15.11 | HNS-I | but it's better than with c |
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| 12:15.30 | TASAIRES | hola Gent, estais |
| 12:15.51 | HNS-I | gener1x: you could maybe compare it to perl |
| 12:16.11 | HNS-I | gener1x: But anyway ruby, who cares. |
| 12:16.19 | gener1x | lol |
| 12:16.29 | steinchen | postfix/mailman is easier to setup? not getting behind the problem here with exim4 |
| 12:16.34 | cusco | !spanish |
| 12:16.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:17.08 | tralala | steinchen, what problem? |
| 12:17.13 | cusco | what is wrong with exim steinchen ? |
| 12:17.20 | cusco | :p |
| 12:18.58 | steinchen | :) |
| 12:19.37 | steinchen | just cant get it to work correctly with mailman .. think i messed up the configs totally. but i purged everything and started from zero aswell - no way to get is working |
| 12:19.44 | wasynyt | where does debian store its fonts |
| 12:20.42 | tralala | steinchen, why don't you get exim to work correctly first and then deal with mailman |
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| 12:21.52 | tralala | wasynyt, debian has a font management system - defoma. You might want to read about it |
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| 12:22.27 | wasynyt | hmm.. i only need to copy one font (.ttf) file |
| 12:22.31 | gener1x | i wonder |
| 12:22.38 | gener1x | how do you maintain the bots |
| 12:22.49 | wasynyt | and some fonts appeared to be in /usr/share/fonts |
| 12:22.51 | wasynyt | :D |
| 12:22.54 | themill | wasynyt: you can stick it in ~/.fonts and then run fc-cache |
| 12:22.59 | HNS-I | !botsnack |
| 12:22.59 | dpkg | :), HNS-I |
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| 12:23.10 | tralala | wasynyt, maybe it's in mscorefonts already |
| 12:23.43 | gener1x | lol |
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| 12:23.58 | HNS-I | nothing to it |
| 12:24.04 | wasynyt | thanks |
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| 12:26.10 | steinchen | tralala, exim worked fine.. but cant glue them together .. with postfix it seems to work like a charm |
| 12:27.29 | pbn | Hi there... the weekly builds of lenny aren't quite weekly, the last one on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ is from Feb 11 ... would be nice if they could be updated ... |
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| 12:28.45 | tralala | pbn, you can update daily if you want, using apt |
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| 12:29.55 | themill | pbn: the weekly builds are currently broken, iirc. Check the d-i wiki pages |
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| 12:31.07 | embrik | my distro is etch and my kernel is 2.6.18-6-686, I'd like to upgrade it to a newer kernel because I have problems with sound on a laptop of mine - should I do it? |
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| 12:31.52 | deoks | Is it possible to gain a minimal installation of Debian. I get this huge mess of gnome applications, open office suite, blurry aa-fonts and such |
| 12:32.03 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:32.12 | wols_ | get the netinst ISO and install from that |
| 12:32.13 | tralala | embrik, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 12:32.24 | deoks | wols_: Im using the netinst iso right now. |
| 12:32.27 | themill | embrik: 2.6.22 is in backports which helps with a lot of snd_hda_intel problems |
| 12:32.37 | wols_ | pretty much at the end of the install it asks you if you want to install a desktop, astandard packages, a webserver, etc. diable everything there |
| 12:32.45 | r3m0t | I have a crossplatform problem. I'm running Ubuntu and I have a 27G compressed ntfsclone image. I don't have enough space to store the decompressed image even if I delete the compressed version. I want to transfer all the files in the image to a new Macbook Pro. can anybody help? |
| 12:32.47 | wols_ | then you have a pretty clean and minimal debian |
| 12:33.09 | wols_ | r3m0t: #ubuntu |
| 12:33.18 | themill | !tell r3m0t about ubuntu |
| 12:33.49 | r3m0t | yeah but you guys are more technical :P |
| 12:34.04 | wols_ | but we don't support ubuntu |
| 12:34.19 | r3m0t | there's nothing on my Ubuntu to support, it's just a linux. but fine. |
| 12:34.24 | embrik | themill: thanks |
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| 12:35.13 | dA_ShArP | Hi all , I am dist-upgrading to sid :), I have a problem.. |
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| 12:35.37 | dA_ShArP | all the things that are required are dowloaded, now its unpacking and trying to upgrade glibc |
| 12:35.45 | tralala | r3m0t, there's nothing debian to it either. Try ##linux |
| 12:35.45 | Bushmills | often, support seeking people claim "ubuntu is just debian" - I always wonder when, why don't they install debian if it's the same? |
| 12:35.49 | deoks | wols_: Hm. I think I have to check that one out again. Because I don't have any memory of a "Desktop"-checkbox |
| 12:36.05 | wols_ | deoks: run "tasksel" |
| 12:36.12 | wols_ | this is what you see at the end of install |
| 12:36.18 | wols_ | at least with netinst |
| 12:36.19 | r3m0t | Bushmills: actually I am trying to turn a Debian installation on the side into a low-functionality super-fast-booting manic monster |
| 12:36.24 | dA_ShArP | the problem is ... it says kdm is running , but i dont have /var/run/kdm.pid |
| 12:36.25 | wols_ | if you don't select anything there, nothing gets installed |
| 12:36.45 | dA_ShArP | I am stuck at here since yesterday plz help :( |
| 12:36.57 | wols_ | Bushmills: best don't feed him |
| 12:37.01 | dA_ShArP | not yesterday but 6 hours or more =-O |
| 12:37.15 | wols_ | dA_ShArP: ps aux |grep kdm |
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| 12:37.52 | tralala | r3m0t, that's easy - don't shut it down and you have the fastest booting imaginable - 0 |
| 12:37.54 | Bushmills | r3m0t: fact is, they're not the same. often, suggestions which work for debian don't for ubuntu. and the other way around, problems occuring with ubuntu are not reproducable with debian. |
| 12:38.06 | dA_ShArP | wols_: root 7805 0.0 0.0 2948 620 ? Ss 12:55 0:00 /usr/bin/kdm -config /var/run/kdm/kdmrc |
| 12:38.10 | sebbs | how can i force dpkg/apt to extract all files for a package even though it has been installed once before? |
| 12:38.13 | wols_ | dA_ShArP: so stop it |
| 12:38.17 | dA_ShArP | :| |
| 12:38.22 | wols_ | sebbs: dpkg -x |
| 12:39.08 | tralala | sebbs, extract or reinstall? |
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| 12:39.18 | dA_ShArP | damn that killed my X :( |
| 12:39.19 | r3m0t | tralala: ha ha ha haven't thought of that... but I'de rather not. Bushmills: I have working ntfsclone, openssh-server, and gzip2. there's nothing more to it. |
| 12:39.35 | sebbs | reinstall with all that it means would be better i guess |
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| 12:39.56 | tralala | sebbs, aptitude reinstall |
| 12:40.13 | sebbs | even though i've purged the package and removed it via apt it doesnt put all files the second time |
| 12:40.18 | sebbs | ahh, that might do it! thanks :) |
| 12:40.39 | tralala | sebbs, which package doesn't put which files? |
| 12:40.47 | sebbs | tralala: is that a feature not available from apt-get? |
| 12:41.18 | tralala | sebbs, the manual would know |
| 12:41.41 | sebbs | i'm installing the nvidia-drivers, i had a former installation done before with nvidias-installer, but it didnt work better after installing them the deb-way, so i thought id uninstall them from the nvidia-bin and go again... bad idea! :) |
| 12:41.46 | Bushmills | r3m0t: look at this dA_ShArP guy now, I haven't read what advice he got, but he seems to have a problem now. there is a tiny chance that the problem is caused by using debian advice on ubuntu - but that's just guessing. |
| 12:41.46 | sebbs | yea |
| 12:42.25 | dA_ShArP | Bushmills: :| |
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| 12:43.21 | steinchen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:43.52 | tralala | dA_ShArP, you need kdm to run if that's how X is started |
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| 12:44.17 | dA_ShArP | tralala: I know |
| 12:44.22 | dA_ShArP | My Problem is.. |
| 12:44.31 | dA_ShArP | I am trying to upgrade to SID ;) |
| 12:44.49 | enouf | !break dA_ShArP |
| 12:45.06 | tralala | oh, yes - I agree - that's your problem |
| 12:45.07 | Bushmills | oh, that's a nice factoid |
| 12:45.24 | dA_ShArP | so d/l is done, it unpacking and installing, the first thing that is being done is replacing glibc with sid' one |
| 12:45.34 | dA_ShArP | its asking for some processes to stop |
| 12:45.39 | dA_ShArP | like kdm gdm xdm |
| 12:45.48 | dA_ShArP | and detected that kdm is running |
| 12:45.58 | r3m0t | dA_ShArP: less lines please |
| 12:46.04 | dA_ShArP | so what i did is... booted from a gentoo minimal live cd |
| 12:46.15 | dA_ShArP | chrooted to debain |
| 12:46.20 | dA_ShArP | and try to upgrade |
| 12:46.20 | wols_ | enouf: you there? you tried recenty 2.6.25-rc2 right? does it come with acx wlan drivers? and how went it? |
| 12:46.24 | themill | dA_ShArP: sid is not an upgrade. |
| 12:46.34 | dA_ShArP | themill: pardon? |
| 12:46.44 | themill | !sid |
| 12:46.45 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 12:46.54 | wols_ | dA_ShArP: what he wants to say, you are not fit at all to run sid |
| 12:46.56 | dA_ShArP | themill: I want to use sid, I read that , change sources and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:47.03 | salvin | why do the package flashplugin-nonfree change version in sid when flash player has the same version? |
| 12:47.08 | tralala | dA_ShArP, you stop kdm by running /etc/init.d/kdm stop. Then you login from console and you upgrade. No need to play with live-cds |
| 12:47.12 | themill | dA_ShArP: you need to upgrade to lenny first. And sid is not an upgrade. |
| 12:47.24 | themill | dA_ShArP: sid is only a staging area |
| 12:47.36 | dA_ShArP | ohh I was on etch |
| 12:47.38 | dA_ShArP | :( |
| 12:47.44 | Bushmills | salvin: that's the package, not the flash player. package only cause player to download. |
| 12:47.44 | dA_ShArP | so first to lenny? |
| 12:47.54 | Bushmills | salvin: that is, the "installer" changes version |
| 12:47.55 | themill | !tell dA_ShArP about etch->lenny |
| 12:48.09 | wols_ | dA_ShArP: usually not. but: stop X, do a upgrade on console |
| 12:48.10 | tralala | themill, what? There's no such thing |
| 12:48.35 | steinchen | and o: shouldnt be the listname@domain but the real recipient |
| 12:48.37 | deoks | wols_: Im at the dialog who asks me if I want to use a network mirror. It also tells me that I will end up with a very minimal base system if im not using one. Is it specified somewhere which packages the debian installer will install into my system if I say "Yes" to "Use a network mirror?" ? |
| 12:48.38 | dA_ShArP | wols_: doing it chrooted from anothe console should also not make difference right? |
| 12:48.39 | steinchen | To: |
| 12:49.15 | wols_ | dA_ShArP: it does. we support debian, not gentoo. ask gentoo if it werks. we don't know and we don't care |
| 12:49.22 | enouf | wols_: it went not so good, but it seems it's the patch i'm applying from a .23 that's causing me grief (other than that - the menuconfig interface is a bit screwy looking - some ncurses borkage i guess) .. wlan? i'll check |
| 12:49.30 | dA_ShArP | wols_: hehe |
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| 12:49.37 | wols_ | deoks: use the network mirror. what debian installer do you use? |
| 12:49.53 | deoks | wols_: The netinstaller for amd64. |
| 12:50.11 | wols_ | enouf: acx chipset in the new mac80211 stack. which hopefully supporta WPA now for it :) |
| 12:50.17 | deoks | wols_: 4.0r3 |
| 12:50.20 | dA_ShArP | wols_: and If I want to use all sid's packages , i need to upgrade to lenny and then use sid repos?? |
| 12:50.23 | wols_ | deoks: then you want to choose the mirror |
| 12:50.41 | wols_ | dA_ShArP: imho no. etch to sid usually works. as much as sid actually does work |
| 12:50.43 | deoks | wols_: Ok |
| 12:50.45 | deoks | wols_: Why? :) |
| 12:50.46 | enouf | wols_: looking |
| 12:50.53 | deoks | wols_: What will I get from the mirror? |
| 12:51.08 | wols_ | deoks: your gnome and anything else you will install in the future |
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| 12:51.11 | pumpkin0 | deoks: anything you ask for. It will give you a list of tasks to pick from. |
| 12:51.25 | wols_ | you don't have to install it but if you need it it's the place to get it. same for security updates |
| 12:51.27 | dA_ShArP | brbr |
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| 12:51.37 | Bushmills | dA_ShArP: no, don't install all of them. put your installed packages on hold, and install the sid packages you want to work on only |
| 12:51.46 | wols_ | deoks: in the tasks to pick from, disable everything. |
| 12:51.46 | deoks | wols_: Oh. So apt-get will use these mirrors later? |
| 12:51.53 | wols_ | yes it will |
| 12:51.55 | tralala | deoks, at this stage you won't get anything from the mirror but (probably) a package list |
| 12:52.02 | deoks | Anyway, I did deselect the Desktop environment now. |
| 12:52.08 | wols_ | good |
| 12:52.10 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to setup bind so that it asks the result of certain queries to another DNS server? |
| 12:52.18 | wols_ | and standard too tho it's not much. if you want to |
| 12:52.22 | Knight_Lord | Even if that server has some of the records for that domain |
| 12:52.30 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: it is but why? |
| 12:52.42 | wols_ | a caching DNS proxy with bind is a bit overkill. use dnsmasq or such |
| 12:52.46 | enouf | wols_: i don't think so :-( http://pastebin.ca/raw/911024 |
| 12:52.58 | Knight_Lord | wols_ because i have screwed up domain |
| 12:52.59 | wols_ | enouf: fuck! :P |
| 12:53.24 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: yes. possible. but check out maradns, 3 lines config for that. |
| 12:53.24 | wols_ | lets hope their patches are good enough... |
| 12:53.32 | enouf | aye |
| 12:53.34 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills thank |
| 12:54.15 | sebbs | how can i check which package supplies the file nvidia.ko? |
| 12:54.29 | wols_ | sebbs: dojg -S |
| 12:54.34 | wols_ | *dpkg -S |
| 12:54.43 | sebbs | thanks |
| 12:54.50 | pumpkin0 | sebbs: did you install everything debian-style or is there a nvidia.com-driver somewhere on your system ? |
| 12:54.52 | wols_ | sebbs: dpkg -l |nvidia helps too in this case |
| 12:55.16 | Knight_Lord | My problem is that there are certain hosts which are not in the real DNS of the domain which are DHCP hosts we manage, and there are hosts which are in the real DNS but which we don't have |
| 12:55.25 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: http://maradns.org |
| 12:55.26 | Knight_Lord | Is there anyway i can hack this so it kinda works? |
| 12:55.39 | sebbs | pumpkin0: first i installed the nvidia.com-driver, then the deb-driver, then i installed the nvidia.com-one, now i'm stuck :) |
| 12:55.59 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: C records to, say, dyndns A records can be one solution |
| 12:56.05 | wols_ | sebbs: you fucked up the first time you installed nvidia.com drivers already |
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| 12:56.21 | sebbs | yea, i guess i did |
| 12:56.31 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: probably the easiest one |
| 12:56.41 | pumpkin0 | sebbs: the nvidia.com driver does not work if you ever installed the debian-nvidia driver. You have to remove all nvidia-files from /etc/init.d first (or pruge all debian-nvidia packages). |
| 12:57.17 | sebbs | oh, but i do want the deb-ones |
| 12:57.21 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills what do you mean with C records to dyndns? |
| 12:57.42 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: a c record works a bit like a hostname-to-hostname alias |
| 12:57.55 | pumpkin0 | sebbs: just install them. They overwritte the nvidia.com ones just fine. |
| 12:57.59 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills yes i understand what a C record is, i just don't see how it can help me |
| 12:58.05 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: so rather than to an ip address, it "resolves" to another hostname |
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| 12:58.21 | Bushmills | ah. well, that way you can make those hosts "part" of your domain |
| 12:58.34 | sebbs | pumpkin0: alright, i did, but i thought they didnt overwrote them because i still had issues, so i removed the nvidia module... trying to get it back now |
| 12:58.38 | Bushmills | just let them point to any other, they actual, hostname |
| 12:58.44 | Bushmills | their |
| 12:58.51 | wols_ | sebbs: what nvidia card? and what dbeian version? |
| 12:59.14 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills I have a computer A.Domain that is on my local DNS |
| 12:59.14 | sebbs | wols_: nvidia geforce go 7300, sid |
| 12:59.28 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills the real DNS for the domain Domain doesn't know about A |
| 12:59.28 | wols_ | !tell sebbs about nvidia_post_etch |
| 12:59.36 | sebbs | (i suspect it was my framebuffer setup which caused the issues when restarting x-server btw) |
| 12:59.52 | wols_ | and I'd suggest to uninstall and purge everything that shows up in dpkg -l |grep nvidia first. all of it |
| 12:59.54 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills I want any computer to be able to resolve both A.Domain and the other computers under .Domain. Is this possible? |
| 13:00.07 | sebbs | alright, thanks |
| 13:00.19 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills (so basically they would have to query both DNS servers and combine the results) |
| 13:00.25 | themill | tralala: sid is not guaranteed to have sane deps or non-broken packages etc. It was never really designed for people to use but as a staging area for things to then progress into testing when the deps were all satisfiable etc. Most people who are actually running "sid" aren't -- they have older sid package too that have been superceded but the newer ones can't be installed. |
| 13:00.41 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: that is, having your dns work both recursively and authoritatively at the same time? yes, possible |
| 13:00.45 | themill | tralala: that's all I was meaning |
| 13:01.01 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills but for the *same* domain |
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| 13:02.03 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: if you have your local domain resolved by your local dns, you can add the published hosts (those from remote dns). |
| 13:02.06 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills so if a computer queries for A.Domain it would get "no such hosts" from the Main DNS , but it would get a positive result from My DNS server and would use that positive result |
| 13:02.09 | Bushmills | then your local dns will resolve both |
| 13:02.21 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills yes, that's what i've been using by hand |
| 13:02.33 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills but yes there a way to do it automatically? |
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| 13:02.38 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: you can a use zone transfer to "import" remote dns zone to your local dns |
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| 13:03.02 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills if the Real DNS allows such things as zone imports right? |
| 13:03.09 | tralala | themill, the same is true for testing |
| 13:03.22 | tralala | when not frozen |
| 13:03.23 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: depends how its set up, whether you have permission to. |
| 13:03.45 | Knight_Lord | Bushmills thanks, I guess it's worth a try |
| 13:03.54 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: give me the domain name, and I can try it |
| 13:03.58 | Bushmills | you can query me |
| 13:04.11 | themill | tralala: no, testing is guaranteed to have sane deps etc. Bugs, perhaps, but it should never be broken (i.e. it's always releasable and in a coherent state). |
| 13:04.22 | wols_ | enouf: lets hope. last acx driver on sf.net is from feb 10th 2008 :) |
| 13:05.04 | enouf | wols_: go for it ;-) |
| 13:05.18 | tralala | themill, okay sane deps is the only difference. But you can upgrade to unstable just as easily from stable. |
| 13:05.27 | enouf | though that's on the vmslice cusp, that shouldn't matter |
| 13:05.33 | enouf | er splice |
| 13:06.06 | tralala | themill, because if there are missing deps they won't get installed/upgraded in any case. |
| 13:06.15 | sebbs | wols_: i still wont get my nvidia.ko-file back, which comes with the nvidia-kernel-2.6.23-package |
| 13:06.35 | themill | tralala: as long as you let apt pick up packages from lenny as well to plug the holes. |
| 13:06.55 | sebbs | and it wont reinstall with aptitude reinstall nvidia-kernel-2.6.23, "could not find any file for package" |
| 13:07.11 | wols_ | sebbs: I told you to uninstall and purge ALL nvidia related packages |
| 13:07.17 | sebbs | i did |
| 13:07.19 | RichiH | i klined archeens, btw |
| 13:07.31 | wols_ | sebbs: and wha command did you try to install it again? |
| 13:08.33 | sebbs | from the methinks way: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source i guess its a symlink |
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| 13:08.54 | wols_ | did you compile the source you got? |
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| 13:09.33 | wols_ | reald the nvidia_post_etch factoid again until you understand it |
| 13:09.33 | sebbs | no, great idea :$ |
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| 13:09.50 | tralala | sebbs, ls /usr/src/*deb |
| 13:09.59 | themill | tralala: But really, my point was that sid is not an "upgrade". It's not a newer version of debian that one should be clammering to use. There's a certain "gentooism" about using sid that seems to be going around... if things aren't in lenny, they're kept out for a reason. |
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| 13:10.56 | tralala | themill, if you ask me an "upgrade" is only oldstable->stable but nobody appears to be asking me |
| 13:11.09 | sebbs | right, there we had it |
| 13:11.29 | tralala | so dpkg -i it |
| 13:11.39 | sebbs | yea i did |
| 13:11.47 | sebbs | and got it extracted to /usr/src/modules/ |
| 13:11.51 | sebbs | thanks alot, got the module now |
| 13:11.51 | themill | tralala: agreed. I can also cope with stable->testing as being an upgrade (particularly quite some time after a release goes out). |
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| 13:14.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how do I see how much video memory do I have? |
| 13:15.35 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:17.19 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, grep VideoRAM /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:19.21 | Borg- | hi |
| 13:19.26 | abchirk | hi |
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| 13:19.35 | abchirk | na du |
| 13:19.47 | Borg- | im looking for SVN (prefered) or GIT debian repository that have all the patches for stable debian kernels. |
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| 13:19.56 | Borg- | is such thing is accessible for mere mortals? |
| 13:20.24 | tralala | Borg-, linux-image-*diff from any mirror |
| 13:21.13 | Majuk | Hiya. Got Debian rolled out on a file/http/dns/dhcp server. I'm trying to get iptables up, but there's not init.d script for it, no config folder in /etc/ and it certainly isn't running currently... how does one get the thing started? |
| 13:21.30 | wols_ | Borg-: apt-get source linux-image version and you have the debian kernel source |
| 13:21.46 | wols_ | the full one |
| 13:21.58 | tralala | Majuk, I'd recommend shorewall, but if you insist on iptables - man interfaces (see the "up" lines) |
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| 13:23.03 | tralala | Majuk, debian doesn't handle iptables with init script |
| 13:23.13 | sebbs | tralala / wols_ thanks alot, everything works again, although the driver messes up my screen when i close X for example, but since i use sid i guess ill have to live with that :) |
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| 13:23.18 | Borg- | wols_: im not using debian kernel sources thats why im looking for repository (where I can pull diffs) or *.diff files itselfs |
| 13:23.28 | tralala | sebbs, you're welcome |
| 13:23.28 | Bushmills | Majuk: decouraged is the iptable-save, provided. better write your rules set and have it run on start yourself. different mechanisms suggest themselves |
| 13:23.34 | Bushmills | tables |
| 13:23.36 | wols_ | apckages.debian.org has a diff file |
| 13:23.51 | Majuk | tralala: I already have existing iptable scripts for my rule-sets I used on my Gentoo box, I just need to get the damn daemon started. |
| 13:24.04 | wols_ | easiest when you don't run debian. bur if you want to build a kernel with debian patches applied, just get the full dbeian kernel source |
| 13:24.08 | Bushmills | Majuk: there is no daemon |
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| 13:24.14 | tralala | Majuk, there's no daemon. man interfaces |
| 13:24.15 | wols_ | Majuk: there is no iptables daemon anywhere |
| 13:24.34 | wols_ | why would any linux need a daemon for iptables? |
| 13:24.46 | tralala | Majuk, and iptables-restore |
| 13:25.01 | deoks | Im looking for a good resource and complete coverage of the apt- packaging system. Any tips? |
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| 13:25.08 | tetraedr | hi everyone |
| 13:25.08 | Majuk | Sorry, /s/daemon/service |
| 13:25.18 | Bushmills | does gentoo use a daemon for for iptables? *boggle* |
| 13:25.19 | Borg- | wols_: okey.. this is good for start. but when something appear.. downloading new full kernel is a mistake. |
| 13:25.22 | tralala | deoks, debian.org |
| 13:25.37 | Bushmills | how odd |
| 13:26.07 | wols_ | !apt howto |
| 13:26.07 | dpkg | hmm... apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or aptitude install apt-howto-en |
| 13:26.15 | Majuk | My terminology isn't perfect here obviously. |
| 13:26.23 | tetraedr | I want to set up debian on ARM (model AT91RM9200). It already has loader, flash memory (32MB) and SDRAM (32MB). where should I start? are there any ready solutions? |
| 13:26.34 | Borg- | I found something like this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel-svn-changes |
| 13:26.35 | tralala | Majuk, anyway your question was answered, wasn't it? |
| 13:26.40 | Borg- | so seems there is a repo somewhere :) |
| 13:26.52 | Majuk | tralala: Hell is I know, I don't know what a 'man interface' is. |
| 13:26.57 | Majuk | Trying to google around now. |
| 13:27.05 | Majuk | /s/is/if |
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| 13:27.12 | Bushmills | man interfaces? |
| 13:27.13 | wols_ | !arm |
| 13:27.13 | dpkg | from memory, arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
| 13:27.18 | Bushmills | you type it in, on the command line |
| 13:27.25 | tralala | !+tell Majuk -about interfaces |
| 13:27.25 | dpkg | told Majuk about interfaces. |
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| 13:27.37 | tetraedr | wols_ thnx, will try there |
| 13:27.48 | Bushmills | and then your press <Enter> |
| 13:27.53 | Borg- | okey.. nevermind.. I found something |
| 13:27.54 | wols_ | Majuk: if you don't know what a manpage is I am very skeptical about any linux sysadmin task you reform |
| 13:28.06 | wols_ | VERY skeptical, specially on securuity relevant things like a firewall |
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| 13:28.14 | Majuk | Jesus fucking christ it was a mistake to unmute you wols. |
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| 13:28.36 | wols_ | Bushmills: would you trust a firewall admin who doesn't know what man is? |
| 13:28.49 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I see the X font too small, xdpyinfo tells me that I have set resolution: 75x75 dots per inch, is it too low? |
| 13:28.49 | Bushmills | wols_: I don't need to |
| 13:29.06 | tralala | wols_, anybody who does deserves the results they'll get |
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| 13:29.42 | wols_ | tralala: the trouble is, his users probably don't know |
| 13:29.43 | Bushmills | wols_: yes, I would trust such an admin |
| 13:29.49 | wols_ | Bushmills: why? |
| 13:29.51 | Bushmills | wols_: trust him to never tell me "read the man page" |
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| 13:31.25 | tralala | wols_, the risks of life. |
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| 13:32.54 | leonardo | hi all, i have a problem, when i insert the phone audio on my lenovo, i listen the sound on phone audio and on notebook sound too |
| 13:33.02 | leonardo | how to fix this problem |
| 13:33.18 | leonardo | i want to listen only on phone audio |
| 13:33.41 | Bushmills | leonardo: notebook audio is internal speaker? |
| 13:34.10 | leonardo | if i play a song for example |
| 13:34.20 | leonardo | i think it's internal speaker |
| 13:34.34 | Bushmills | sounds like the connector is broken to me |
| 13:34.53 | leonardo | i can listen on phone audio too |
| 13:34.57 | leonardo | the oth |
| 13:35.00 | leonardo | both |
| 13:35.03 | Bushmills | should disconnect internal sound when plugging in head phone plug |
| 13:35.08 | leonardo | on notebook and audio phone |
| 13:35.15 | leonardo | yes |
| 13:35.17 | leonardo | right |
| 13:35.20 | leonardo | should |
| 13:35.24 | Bushmills | warranty, or open and fix it |
| 13:35.50 | leonardo | didn't understand |
| 13:35.52 | Bushmills | hardware issue, by the sound of it |
| 13:36.10 | leonardo | with windows i don't have this problem |
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| 13:36.21 | Bushmills | hmm |
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| 13:37.06 | Bushmills | you may need a lenovo-specific mixer then? |
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| 13:37.27 | tralala | driver |
| 13:37.32 | tralala | maybe just a newer driver |
| 13:37.41 | tralala | leonardo, which debian do you run? |
| 13:37.45 | leonardo | lenny |
| 13:37.56 | sebbs | tralala: fyi apt-get --reinstall install does the job aswell as aptitude reinstall |
| 13:38.03 | tralala | leonardo, try a .24 kernel from sid |
| 13:38.23 | leonardo | i don't know how to install it |
| 13:38.28 | tralala | sebbs, fyi I don't use apt-get anymore |
| 13:38.42 | sebbs | alright ^ |
| 13:38.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I see the X font too small, i have reconfigured xorg settings but the X font is still too small, how can I solve that? |
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| 13:39.12 | tralala | except for apt-get source. Funny, aptitude doesn't have source |
| 13:39.17 | mass_ | hi |
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| 13:40.01 | leonardo | tralala: how to install a new kernel version |
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| 13:40.52 | mass_ | How it`s possible that open office starts in 2 seconds on debian, and on other distros (fedora, ubuntu, suse), windows it takes much more time? |
| 13:40.52 | themill | and build-dep, aptitude can't do build-deps either ;( |
| 13:40.54 | tralala | leonardo, it's not so easy. You need to add sid sources and pin sid with a lower priority than lenny. In your case this (probably) means a day of reading and trying |
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| 13:41.12 | leonardo | so it's better no |
| 13:41.17 | leonardo | will wait new releases |
| 13:42.13 | tralala | themill, yep that too. What a pity. |
| 13:42.38 | themill | tralala: yeah :( |
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| 13:44.03 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 13:44.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | tralala, I've already did that |
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| 13:46.36 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, btw I'm not sure that playing with the dpi is the right way |
| 13:46.39 | Noboru | i need help please |
| 13:46.59 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, try setting up your desktop environment |
| 13:47.09 | Bushmills | Noboru: sorry, quite short in cash myself |
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| 13:47.12 | Noboru | i made a simple rule of iptables and plan to use iptables-restore < it, so please check http://ja.pastebin.ca/911064 is ok ? |
| 13:47.14 | gonzaloaf_laptop | tralala, I have set the gnome fonts to Sans 11 |
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| 13:48.02 | tralala | Noboru, it isn't. use iptables-save to save the rules |
| 13:48.10 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, and? |
| 13:48.23 | Noboru | tralala, it isn't ??? |
| 13:48.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | tralala, still small |
| 13:48.37 | tralala | make them 14 |
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| 13:49.01 | gregory_working | I am a Debian User! |
| 13:49.13 | tralala | gregory_working, so say we all! |
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| 13:49.33 | gregory_working | tralala: realy? |
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| 13:50.42 | Bushmills | Noboru: you are away that returning packets are also "INPUT"? |
| 13:50.44 | Bushmills | aware |
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| 13:51.49 | tralala | Bushmills, he's soon to be aware of many things - after locking himself out of the box |
| 13:51.52 | Noboru | Bushmills, forget it,sorry |
| 13:55.22 | telelvis | Hello everyone. I am trying to relocate old BIND server running on FreeBSD4.10 to new Debian Etch-r3 setup. So I transferred all named.conf and zones (about 300) to new server and starts bind - it's starts and works perfectly. But when I assign to this new installation ip address of old DNS - so users may query it without changing their conf - it actually doesnt work, here are syslog: http://paste.debian.net/49536. System has about dns 200 queries/sec |
| 13:55.22 | telelvis | snt help. Hardware is Xeon2.40GHz x 2 with 1 Gb ram and 2 Gb swap. Thanks for any advice |
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| 13:56.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | tralala, can you tell me the value that yo have in system -> appearance -> Fonts -> Details -> Resolution ? |
| 13:56.50 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, I don't have access to gnome right now |
| 13:56.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ooh |
| 13:57.03 | tralala | but I haven't changed the defaults |
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| 13:57.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | anybody that has access to gnoeme, can you tell me the value that yo have in system -> appearance -> Fonts -> Details -> Resolution ? |
| 13:58.49 | riz_ | Does someone know something about release of drupal 6 in debian repository? |
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| 13:59.08 | ghatak | how do i find which processes are using cpu on my box using ps ? |
| 13:59.23 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_108 dpi |
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| 14:00.25 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Bushmills, whats your monitor size? |
| 14:00.37 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_17" |
| 14:00.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ok thanks |
| 14:00.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I need the value for 15.4 |
| 14:01.05 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_calculate it |
| 14:01.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how? |
| 14:01.20 | pumpkin0 | size / pixel |
| 14:01.33 | Bushmills | you know length/height of display, and resolution |
| 14:01.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I had 75x75, now I'm trying 96x96 |
| 14:01.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Bushmills, nop |
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| 14:02.05 | Majuk | Later guys. Hope you all choke on your respective egos. |
| 14:02.09 | Bushmills | one you can measure with a ruler, the other is set in you xorg.conf |
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| 14:02.25 | tralala | you shouldn't play with the dpi - you'll get wrong image scaling |
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| 14:03.06 | wols_ | Bushmills: widescreen? |
| 14:03.29 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf_if you don't have a ruler. calc it from diagonal and sides ratio, using pythagoras |
| 14:03.38 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: do you have a widescreen? |
| 14:04.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, yep, 15.4 widescreen |
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| 14:04.15 | wols_ | what driver? |
| 14:04.42 | wols_ | you basically have two choices IIRC to make it display right: either a proper modeline or proprietary drivers |
| 14:05.22 | grulll | Hi I did a fresh install of debian etch. Everytime I try to boot I get hang on this "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." then it waits and a shell appears (initramfs) how can I fix this |
| 14:05.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, ati |
| 14:05.34 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: what chip? |
| 14:05.40 | Bushmills | that calc gives me that I should have 97 dpi ... |
| 14:05.49 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: set the proper device for your / |
| 14:06.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9100 IGP AGP Bridge |
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| 14:06.15 | wols_ | ocuh |
| 14:06.18 | wols_ | !modeline |
| 14:06.18 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
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| 14:07.09 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, paste the output of "xrandr; xdpyinfo | grep inch" to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 14:08.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/I9ZYKE80.html |
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| 14:08.45 | enouf | grulll: you broke your kernel? |
| 14:08.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, whats the problem with my chip? |
| 14:09.18 | grulll | enouf, I just did a fresh install. I have not login even once |
| 14:09.19 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, hmm... the dimensions of the display are not reported. Old laptop? |
| 14:09.38 | enouf | grulll: well what kind of install? raid? lvm? crypt? |
| 14:09.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | tralala, toshiba satellite 175-s229, not that old |
| 14:09.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | a75-s229 |
| 14:09.51 | tralala | grulll, how did you install? |
| 14:10.21 | grulll | intall generic.all_generic_ide=1, I have a ide cdrom and sata hd, that was the only way the cdrom was detected |
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| 14:11.30 | enouf | grulll: did you get that from kmuto? if not just make sure your HDD controller is in /etc/modules and maybe you need to run update-initramfs -u once you add it also to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 14:11.55 | enouf | grulll: what's your hardware exactly? |
| 14:12.16 | tralala | gonzaloaf_test, and you use the "radeon" driver? |
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| 14:12.28 | enouf | and answer all the other questions please |
| 14:12.40 | tralala | gonzaloaf_laptop, and you use the "radeon" driver? |
| 14:12.41 | grulll | intel dual core 3.0, intel mainboard, sata disk, and ide dvd burner, all else is integrate to the mainboard |
| 14:12.48 | enouf | the ati driver is a wrapper, so it says in man ati |
| 14:12.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | tralala, ati |
| 14:13.24 | enouf | grulll: well Chipset also was looking for ICH8/9 ? |
| 14:13.38 | enouf | 975x? P35? |
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| 14:15.22 | grulll | right now, I mount the / partition on a folder, |
| 14:15.26 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: no fglrx driver and the open source ati driver doesn't care properly about your screensize |
| 14:15.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, what do I have to do now? |
| 14:16.08 | wols_ | I told you: modeline |
| 14:16.10 | wols_ | enouf: drivers/net/wireless/acx/common.c:4225: error: 'struct ieee80211_if_init_conf' has no member named 'vif' |
| 14:16.13 | wols_ | :/ |
| 14:16.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, I never used that before |
| 14:16.26 | grulll | well this is wat I am seeing on fstab |
| 14:16.28 | enouf | ouch .. :-( |
| 14:16.36 | grulll | /dev/hde3 / |
| 14:16.47 | grulll | /dev/hde1 / |
| 14:17.08 | grulll | when I format the hd it appears as sda3 and sda1 |
| 14:17.12 | wols_ | grulll: fdisk -l |
| 14:17.12 | enouf | wols_: want to switch issues? rofl |
| 14:17.13 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.13 | enouf | drivers/char/keyboard.c:134: error: redefinition of '__kcrctab_k_handler' |
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| 14:17.39 | grulll | fdisk is not built on initramfs |
| 14:17.41 | wols_ | first I look at the code |
| 14:17.46 | wols_ | maybe I can fudge it |
| 14:17.51 | perfector | hey |
| 14:17.59 | wols_ | grulll: but you can boot otherwise |
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| 14:18.05 | enouf | sure - i need to investigate further myself |
| 14:18.21 | grulll | I have the hd in this format |
| 14:18.32 | tralala | grulll, do you have the same option you used for the installation in your menu.lst? |
| 14:19.07 | enouf | you should not have two separate '/' entries in fstab |
| 14:19.28 | perfector | does adding extra modules into my kernel slow it down or reduce performance by any chance?? |
| 14:19.31 | vaq | Is this only me or are the security.debian.org mirror VEERRRY slow atm!? |
| 14:19.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, can you tell me something about modeline? |
| 14:19.38 | enouf | perfector: no |
| 14:19.45 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: I did. half an hour ago |
| 14:20.06 | perfector | enouf: will it slow the time to load my modules that are required |
| 14:20.09 | perfector | ? |
| 14:20.11 | grulll | well kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.5-686 root=/dev/hde3 ro |
| 14:20.13 | enouf | perfector: it makes it a bit bigger is all - only an issue for embedded and special devices |
| 14:20.25 | grulll | I guess that might be the problem |
| 14:20.41 | grulll | I think that /dev/sda3 != /dev/hde3 wait do you said? |
| 14:20.46 | enouf | perfector: yes, boot up? yes, likely , but who cares about boot times? only insane people do ;-) |
| 14:21.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, just gave me the calculator page |
| 14:21.31 | perfector | enouf: hmm, does boot times slow drastically? |
| 14:21.34 | fluxdude | I've got a 20TB box coming in today that I'm considering formatting with ext3. I recon xfs is not really stable enough, does anyone have an input on the suitability of ext3 for this? |
| 14:21.42 | enouf | grulll: boot to a grub shell and do root <tab><> |
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| 14:21.53 | grulll | ok |
| 14:21.59 | perfector | fluxdude: im using xfs for maybe a year without a problem |
| 14:22.00 | enouf | perfector: hrm, not sure, i doubt it, it depends |
| 14:22.01 | Justin | fluxdude: 1 20TB partition? that's a bad idea :) |
| 14:22.17 | voltage | Hy all |
| 14:22.20 | voltage | *Hey |
| 14:22.21 | vaq | Is this only me or are the security.debian.org mirror VEERRRY slow atm!? - Getting 5523B/s |
| 14:22.28 | perfector | fluxdude: ii'd sure reccomend it over ext3 for a partition that size |
| 14:22.28 | abrotman | fluxdude: if you use xfs, make sure you have an UPS (though i'm guessing with 20TB there's an UPS anyways) |
| 14:22.33 | abrotman | vaq: it happens |
| 14:22.34 | enouf | grulll: better, use "find /boot/grub/stage_1" |
| 14:22.40 | vaq | nano |
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| 14:22.49 | perfector | enouf: depends on what? |
| 14:23.05 | grulll | ok |
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| 14:24.24 | enouf | grulll: then check with /boot/grub/device.map that hd0 says your correct /dev/name - ensure #groot= entry in menu.lst equals, and finally /etc/fstab - if necessary you can use LABEL= or UUID= eventually |
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| 14:24.40 | perfector | will choosing the >4gb ram option if i dont have more than 4gb ram, while compiling the kernel slow it? |
| 14:24.46 | grulll | ok, thanks |
| 14:24.50 | grulll | ;) |
| 14:24.54 | enouf | perfector: are you compiling? |
| 14:25.02 | perfector | enouf: yeah |
| 14:25.24 | perfector | enouf: using kpkg |
| 14:25.30 | enouf | perfector: well, then might as well add in what you know you need - make anything else modules or no |
| 14:25.55 | enouf | don't do the 64G option if you don't need it |
| 14:25.55 | perfector | enouf: i want max.. performance.. any tips? |
| 14:26.02 | fluxdude | perfector: see I'm sticking with ext3 for safety because of support and the trodden path, more tools support it and I think it's safer.... |
| 14:26.07 | enouf | use gentoo and rice away ;-P |
| 14:26.22 | fluxdude | Justin: you think 1x20TB partition is a bad idea? |
| 14:26.26 | fluxdude | why? |
| 14:26.46 | moyix | I tried to set a memory limit using ulimit -m 1024, but a small test prog. that mallocs and zeroes 70M of memory still works just fine. any idea what's going on? |
| 14:26.51 | fluxdude | If I have a huge Raid array, it wastes less space to have it all as one big disk |
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| 14:27.04 | perfector | enouf: how is it better on gentoo? |
| 14:27.10 | fluxdude | and then there really isn't much point to partitioning it up... |
| 14:27.16 | enouf | nm ;-) |
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| 14:27.20 | Narada | hi guys; where can i find the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list for a fresh etch install |
| 14:27.44 | Justin | fluxdude: sure, unless you ever have to repair the fs |
| 14:27.46 | Linuturk | anyone have a good article on setting up a mailer for php to use to send mail? |
| 14:28.00 | Linuturk | isn't there an exiam or sendmail or something? what would you recommend? |
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| 14:28.31 | tralala | Narada, in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:28.36 | enouf | perfector: you just have to know your hardware intimately if your goal is building a kernel for performance - the gentoo thing was a joke - also learn about HZ and Preemption and that stuff |
| 14:28.48 | enouf | oh, schedulers, I/O ones too |
| 14:28.53 | Narada | tralala: i don't have one of those; can i get that from somewhere |
| 14:28.58 | fluxdude | Justin: yeah but how often does that happen... |
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| 14:29.16 | fluxdude | perhaps I should carve it up in to 2x10TB anyway though |
| 14:29.25 | Narada | tralala: do you have the contents of sources.list for etch that can you paste on rafb perhaps |
| 14:29.42 | enouf | perfector: kernel /Documentation is great for learning ;-) |
| 14:29.48 | fluxdude | this will help if I do lose one partition and will also help to separate one data source using up all the space against another... |
| 14:29.53 | wols_ | enouf: don't wanna trade. mine seems to have been a bad #ifdef. if it works.... |
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| 14:30.06 | enouf | wols_: wow - you da man |
| 14:30.12 | enouf | !pony wols_ |
| 14:30.15 | wols_ | a bad kernel version check where it did stupid things if kernel vesion is 2.6.24 |
| 14:30.26 | tralala | Narada, http://rafb.net/p/br9hOW16.html |
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| 14:30.49 | perfector | enouf: yeah but it speaks less abt optimization |
| 14:30.59 | deoks | I get "unable to execute post-installation script: Permission denied" and "unable to execute pre-removal script: ...." when using apt-get. Where do I find this scripts? What could be the error? |
| 14:31.01 | enouf | wols_: don't feel bad i was originally getting ARCH=Xen on my p2 compiles .. O.o |
| 14:31.33 | enouf | perfector: not really - read deeper ;-) |
| 14:31.47 | Justin | deoks: /var/lib/dpkg/info/nameofpackage.* |
| 14:31.51 | perfector | enouf: k |
| 14:31.51 | Narada | tralala: thanks; what the hell is lenny |
| 14:32.01 | enouf | !lenny |
| 14:32.01 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
| 14:32.02 | abrotman | deoks: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 14:32.11 | Narada | hmm ... interesting |
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| 14:32.31 | Narada | btw is there a package like 'banner' which creates ascii text? can't find it |
| 14:32.39 | abhi | hi |
| 14:32.39 | abrotman | cowsay! |
| 14:32.48 | Narada | haha |
| 14:32.59 | tralala | Narada, you don't need anything but the etch repos from my sources.list |
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| 14:33.09 | Maulkin | Narada: figlet |
| 14:33.14 | abhi | I am using debian 4.0rc3. what is repo address for this release? |
| 14:33.17 | enouf | wols_: fortunately, i figured out it was just one precise menuconfig param causing it - weird though |
| 14:33.21 | Narada | ah yeah that's the one thanks Maulkin |
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| 14:34.12 | Narada | Maulkin: E: Package figlet has no installation candidate |
| 14:34.21 | deoks | Justin, abrotman: Thanks. But the scripts are executable and owned by root:root and I am running apt-get as root. Why is apt-get outputting me "Permission denied" ? :S |
| 14:34.21 | Narada | doesn't exist either! :-/ |
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| 14:34.50 | Maulkin | Narada: needs non-free |
| 14:35.04 | abrotman | deoks: that is an error from inside the script most likely .. put a "set -x" after the shebang in the prerm script |
| 14:35.06 | Justin | deoks: one of the commands that the script is running is doing that |
| 14:35.11 | jelly | deoks: is your /tmp mounted with noexec option? |
| 14:35.38 | deoks | jelly: Yes. is apt-get using executables in the tmp directory? |
| 14:35.45 | Narada | hmm got damn i'm confused about what i need to add now |
| 14:35.46 | enouf | hrm .. what about /var ? |
| 14:35.50 | jelly | deoks: bingo |
| 14:36.05 | enouf | Narada: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 14:36.15 | deoks | jelly: hehe, allrighty. I guess I'll remount it without the "noexec" option then :) |
| 14:36.16 | abhi | guys pls help..... |
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| 14:36.21 | poppycock | http://s1.gladiatus.lt/game/c.php?uid=42948 |
| 14:36.21 | jelly | deoks: you need to remount with exec, do your installing, then put it back |
| 14:36.30 | Narada | k |
| 14:36.38 | Maulkin | !mirrors |
| 14:36.38 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 14:36.45 | Maulkin | abhi: see that |
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| 14:37.09 | abhi | ok |
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| 14:37.35 | enouf | SkyNet is italian based? |
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| 14:37.52 | jelly | enouf: LT != IT |
| 14:37.55 | abrotman | enouf: that's LT |
| 14:37.56 | enouf | darned fonts are too small |
| 14:38.07 | enouf | i'm like 6' from my screen :-P |
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| 14:38.26 | jelly | enouf: they have laser correction surgery now, ya know |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | enouf: but you have a 42" screen! :) |
| 14:38.33 | grulll | enouf, I change what you told me from hde to sda and it works fine, thanks |
| 14:38.39 | jelly | oh, 6 feet. |
| 14:38.43 | enouf | my vision is 20/20 though :-) |
| 14:38.52 | enouf | well, mabe not now actually |
| 14:38.53 | deoks | jelly: "do your installing" as in Install my package with apt-get which i tried before? |
| 14:39.03 | enouf | abrotman: haha, i wish |
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| 14:39.18 | abrotman | deoks: yes |
| 14:39.29 | jelly | deoks: yes. you can clean up first, with "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" before rerunning |
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| 14:40.26 | mike1o | I just lost sound after boot... I get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found" when I try to open volume control |
| 14:40.41 | mike1o | for no apparent reason |
| 14:41.38 | Justin | mike1o: cat /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| 14:42.33 | tralala | mike1o, do you run testing/unstable? |
| 14:42.50 | mike1o | tralala, testing |
| 14:42.56 | mike1o | Justin, --- no soundcards --- |
| 14:43.02 | tralala | mike1o, have you installed new kernels lately? |
| 14:43.16 | mike1o | tralala, nope |
| 14:43.30 | tralala | new alsa versions? |
| 14:43.48 | mike1o | tralala, I update my packages frequently |
| 14:44.08 | mike1o | tralala, didn't pay too much attention to which packages I upgraded |
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| 14:44.27 | Justin | mike1o: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:45.07 | tralala | mike1o, an upgrade in testing would qualify as an apparent reason for anything to stop working (sound included) |
| 14:45.43 | mike1o | Justin, recently upgraded gstreamer plugins |
| 14:45.51 | outlaw84 | how do I clear the list in 'apt-cache policy'? I have been changing release and sources |
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| 14:46.12 | deoks | jelly: Works now, thanks |
| 14:46.33 | tralala | mike1o, the problem isn't gstreamer related |
| 14:46.55 | tralala | outlaw84, aptitude update |
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| 14:50.27 | enouf | grulll: sweet |
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| 14:52.45 | wols_ | enouf: ERROR: "acxpci_s_reset_dev" [drivers/net/wireless/acx/acx-mac80211.ko] undefined! |
| 14:53.05 | enouf | !nopony wols_ |
| 14:53.05 | dpkg | wols_: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 14:53.36 | wols_ | enouf: computers are for the dogs |
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| 14:54.13 | enouf | wols_: bah, you just dissapated my inspirational charge .. |
| 14:54.21 | Slap_Stick | hmm, what is the best way of transferring sparse files? |
| 14:54.23 | enouf | er dissipated |
| 14:55.18 | wols_ | enouf: what does it mean if a symmbol is undefined in a kernel? |
| 14:55.29 | wols_ | I know about nromal apps/libs but how to fix it in kernel? |
| 14:55.43 | deoks | Hm. Which mirrors should I use in my sources.list to get up to date-software? I just noticed that apt-get installed Xorg 7.1 for me, and 7.3 is the latest version. |
| 14:56.02 | wols_ | 7.1 is the latest version for debian stable |
| 14:56.19 | wols_ | !tell deoks about sources.list |
| 14:56.21 | ghatak | how do i check io operation on nfs mounts ? |
| 14:56.36 | enouf | wols_: you got me .. i mostly guess :-P |
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| 14:57.13 | damdalf | hey :) |
| 14:58.09 | wols_ | enouf: which would be the right channel to ask for missing symbols? |
| 14:58.22 | jetscreamer | #kernel? |
| 14:58.36 | enouf | wols_: i mean heck, as far as my error "__kcrctab_k_handler" isn't even mentioned/found in the kernel .. only "kcrctab" finds like 7 hits |
| 14:58.44 | enouf | wols_: maybe ##kernel |
| 14:59.07 | timonator | debian is making me crazy... i'm a junkie for program updates :x |
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| 14:59.20 | jetscreamer | sid will give you your fix |
| 14:59.30 | jetscreamer | twice a day |
| 14:59.35 | timonator | i heard it breaks |
| 14:59.39 | wols_ | enouf: loose the leading underscores |
| 14:59.48 | jetscreamer | even more thrilling... |
| 14:59.52 | timonator | hah |
| 15:00.12 | enouf | wols_: maybe even ##linux-coders (though that channel is small and sometimes way off topic and not serious) .. i don't want to say #kernelnewbies on oftc.net :-P .. but i guess since it's not debian related explicity, #d-k is out? yeah |
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| 15:00.30 | enouf | wols_: yes, but where? |
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| 15:01.07 | enouf | wols_: it's (kcrctab even) nowhere in the patch either |
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| 15:01.27 | TuxCrafter | hi there |
| 15:01.42 | TuxCrafter | i am looking for a way to boot a debian cli only system from usb stick |
| 15:01.45 | wols_ | ##linux is a bust so far, trying ##kernel |
| 15:01.59 | TuxCrafter | is there a howto somewere |
| 15:02.00 | enouf | just in case i never posted the error http://pastebin.ca/raw/910979 |
| 15:02.14 | TuxCrafter | enouf: nice to see you here |
| 15:02.17 | enouf | wols_: yeah, i could've told you that ;-) |
| 15:02.25 | enouf | TuxCrafter: hiya ;-) |
| 15:02.28 | Maulkin | 8/wi43 |
| 15:02.31 | Maulkin | FAIL |
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| 15:05.12 | jrails | How do I configure debian aptitude to install ruby1.8.6 instead of ruby1.8.5 |
| 15:05.53 | enouf | well, line 104 and 134 in "drivers/char/keyboard.c:134:" are exactly the same--> 104 EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(k_handler); |
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| 15:06.30 | UNDERsoN | how flush route table? |
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| 15:07.21 | HNS-I | ahh |
| 15:07.44 | sebastian^ | moin zusammen |
| 15:08.02 | HNS-I | debian installation, almost as rigid as windoze |
| 15:08.08 | _Krieger_ | where to look first if debian box does not make my tcp connection, for example in netcat? iptables -L, iptables -L -t nat shows that no rules set |
| 15:08.16 | jrails | how do I get apt-get to installs somthing from testing instead of stable? |
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| 15:08.49 | enouf | !+tell Krieger -about interfaces |
| 15:08.51 | dpkg | told Krieger about interfaces. |
| 15:08.55 | Ratty_ | On Debian if I do ~/foo<TAB> it replaces ~ with my home directory, is there an option to disable that? |
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| 15:09.42 | _Krieger_ | enouf, what did you mean? |
| 15:09.49 | UNDERsoN | how clean my route table? |
| 15:10.02 | UNDERsoN | route flush? |
| 15:10.03 | enouf | _Krieger_: can you ping an address? like ping google.com ? check /etc/resolv.conf for DNS issues - make sure ifconfig -a lists your eth0 or whatever, and a lo interface |
| 15:10.27 | TuxCrafter | hmm grub will not install |
| 15:10.32 | TuxCrafter | i get a red screen |
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| 15:10.44 | _Krieger_ | enouf, of course network is correct |
| 15:10.57 | enouf | Ratty_: mine too, dunno |
| 15:11.03 | _Krieger_ | enouf, apt installs pkgs normally |
| 15:11.07 | shailu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.33 | enouf | _Krieger_: oh you only have an issue using netcat and such? |
| 15:11.41 | _Krieger_ | yes |
| 15:11.47 | enouf | apologies |
| 15:12.37 | enouf | netcat is basically like ftp, but without the frills, so .. hrm... |
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| 15:12.59 | enouf | no LAN access? |
| 15:13.02 | enouf | try nmap? |
| 15:13.09 | TuxCrafter | somebody know an how to to get a debian usb cli boot |
| 15:13.15 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 15:13.15 | dpkg | usb install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 15:13.16 | TuxCrafter | so i can do a debbootstrab |
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| 15:13.38 | psycodad_ | if on is starting to use postgres, should he use 7.4 or 8.x on debian etch ? I realize both are installable, but by default i get 7.4 and I wonder if there are reasons not to use 7.4 |
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| 15:13.48 | psycodad_ | s/on/one/ |
| 15:13.57 | UNDERsoN | does somebody know how delete all routing tables? route flush... what more? |
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| 15:14.09 | abrotman | psycodad_: 8.x |
| 15:14.17 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: man route |
| 15:14.22 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: and stop repeating |
| 15:14.30 | HNS-I | Netinstallation choked at 87% can I just continue after reboot? |
| 15:14.42 | enouf | UNDERsoN: i don't think there's a nix equiv to an MPoop ipconfig /flush .. man ip maybe? |
| 15:14.46 | psycodad_ | abrotman: thx, is there a reason 7.4 is the default ? |
| 15:14.55 | enouf | er /flushdns |
| 15:15.20 | psycodad_ | abrotman: i was fearing that drivers, tools and such only work with 7.4 (i.e. perl or python modules) |
| 15:15.22 | S4nD3r | I had a problem when tried to install lenny |
| 15:15.25 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/49548 |
| 15:15.30 | S4nD3r | Please, help me. |
| 15:15.33 | enouf | HNS-I: choked? maybe .. well , up to a point nothing is written to HDD |
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| 15:15.50 | abrotman | psycodad_: it's not the "default" it's installed by the metapackage .. which is what happens when you upgrade from sarge .. |
| 15:15.51 | UNDERsoN | abrotman man route | grep flush is empty |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: READ THE WHOLE THING |
| 15:16.25 | abrotman | psycodad_: 8.x has been out long enough that all tools should have caught up |
| 15:16.28 | HNS-I | enouf: What do you mean? |
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| 15:16.45 | psycodad_ | abrotman: ok, thx, will install 8 |
| 15:16.50 | ihtraum | jrails: read about the file: /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 15:16.59 | enouf | HNS-I: i guess i mean try it |
| 15:17.06 | enouf | what do you mean by choked? |
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| 15:17.13 | HNS-I | stoppped |
| 15:17.29 | HNS-I | nothing happened anymore |
| 15:17.41 | enouf | was it installing software? |
| 15:17.50 | HNS-I | yes |
| 15:18.07 | HNS-I | I allready had selected packages |
| 15:18.08 | UNDERsoN | abrotman: UNDERsoN: READ THE WHOLE THING>> if grep can't find I can't find to. In help there is word flush in manual - no |
| 15:18.23 | S4nD3r | When I tried dist-upgrade.... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit-utils_2.86.ds1-53_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:18.33 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: fine .. do whatever you want .. |
| 15:18.35 | ihtraum | jrails: there you define your priorities of releases |
| 15:18.52 | enouf | i see - not sure .. offhand .. you should atleast have the partitions and FS laed out and formatted by now - you might need a fsck though |
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| 15:18.59 | UNDERsoN | may be because i'm using sarge? |
| 15:19.02 | enouf | laid out |
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| 15:19.45 | RaymondX | ,xdm? |
| 15:19.55 | enouf | UNDERsoN: nope |
| 15:20.06 | S4nD3r | When I tried dist-upgrade.... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit-utils_2.86.ds1-53_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:20.10 | S4nD3r | HOw solve it ? |
| 15:20.18 | wols_ | enouf: makefiles suck |
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| 15:20.37 | UNDERsoN | I read manual in man route there is no syntax of command route flusj |
| 15:20.41 | UNDERsoN | flush |
| 15:20.45 | wols_ | enouf: however: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 87376 2008-02-20 16:20 acx-mac80211.ko |
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| 15:21.02 | S4nD3r | wols_: give me a tip to solve it |
| 15:21.08 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: maybe if you actually read the words .. you'll find what you're looking for |
| 15:21.09 | enouf | wols_: hrm, progress? |
| 15:21.21 | ihtraum | someone has generic references about installation and configuration of web-cams in linux? |
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| 15:22.05 | wols_ | enouf: sorta |
| 15:22.10 | zinx | ihtraum: the generic way is "ensure you have the drivers installed" |
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| 15:22.28 | enouf | $ man ip | grep flush | wc -l |
| 15:22.28 | enouf | 22 |
| 15:22.29 | wols_ | S4nD3r: learn to do proper error description. it's not the first time you asked |
| 15:22.31 | enouf | hah |
| 15:22.46 | UNDERsoN | abrotman I have 20 toutes if I wanna tell me that I should delete ich manualy... it's bad. I read manual and I can't find solving of my problem |
| 15:22.58 | UNDERsoN | /toutes/routes |
| 15:23.13 | S4nD3r | wols_: I was trying to use apt-get dist-upgrade, Then came this error, and the upgrading process stopped |
| 15:23.41 | wols_ | S4nD3r: apt-get gave you a shitton more output |
| 15:23.44 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: if you flush your routes remotely .. you'll have none left .. and the box will be useless |
| 15:23.45 | abhi | dpkg: I have added , deb ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r3/ main contrib non-free to my sources.list file . while update it shows "Failed to fetch " |
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| 15:23.54 | S4nD3r | Its here http://paste.debian.net/49548 |
| 15:24.03 | enouf | is there an air of trollfish about ? .. or should i wash my moustache .. |
| 15:24.08 | ihtraum | zinx: thanks |
| 15:24.11 | abrotman | abhi: "deb http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" |
| 15:24.21 | UNDERsoN | abrotman I know it |
| 15:24.46 | abhi | abrotman: etch is required |
| 15:24.47 | enouf | ip route flush - flush routing tables |
| 15:25.05 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about bat |
| 15:25.09 | ihtraum | zinx: Thinking better, Web-cams are just usb devices (majority) ... Then just the specific driver is loaded |
| 15:25.10 | abrotman | abhi: i just did it for you |
| 15:25.26 | abhi | abrotman: let me try |
| 15:25.30 | enouf | iproute: /bin/ip |
| 15:26.35 | ihtraum | zinx: but thanks anyhow |
| 15:26.39 | zinx | ihtraum: the driver should automatically load if you've got it installed |
| 15:26.52 | UNDERsoN | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.05 | ihtraum | zinx: My difficulty is identifying the correct driver through the output of lsusb |
| 15:27.07 | zinx | ihtraum: i.e., when you plug in the device |
| 15:27.11 | wols_ | !tell UNDERsoN about installit |
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| 15:27.21 | S4nD3r | wols_: Here is http://paste.debian.net/49550 |
| 15:27.24 | zinx | ihtraum: then you need specific information, not generic information |
| 15:27.31 | enouf | UNDERsoN: iproute pkg |
| 15:27.37 | abhi | abrotman: thanks it worked |
| 15:27.50 | zinx | ihtraum: it's not easy to identify which webcam it is unless you know the usb id, and possibly the serial number of your device |
| 15:28.00 | wols_ | tell S4nD3r about bat |
| 15:28.04 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about bat |
| 15:28.12 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:28.28 | zinx | ihtraum: there's certainly no generic way to do so |
| 15:28.42 | wols_ | S4nD3r: and I will say this only until you actaully read it and follow it |
| 15:28.46 | enouf | welp, make clean ; make .. for fun (i disabled all the stuff the patch is to offer) .. let |
| 15:28.47 | wols_ | ALL of it |
| 15:28.50 | enouf | 's see |
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| 15:29.00 | abhi | someone should post some good documentation for apt-get .... it is very difficult for a ubuntu user. |
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| 15:29.12 | wols_ | !tell abhi about apt howto |
| 15:29.16 | S4nD3r | wols_: I read |
| 15:29.18 | UNDERsoN | wols_: !tell UNDERsoN about installit>> I don't have internet on that machine to install it... |
| 15:29.28 | abrotman | but it has 20 routes ? |
| 15:29.35 | S4nD3r | do you mean to me, to run apt-cache policy ?? |
| 15:29.35 | UNDERsoN | because route table is bad |
| 15:29.39 | enouf | !tell abhi about reference |
| 15:29.40 | wols_ | UNDERsoN: that is not our problem. you have internet now so you can download it and you can copy it over with a usb stick, cd, etc |
| 15:29.48 | Phil4 | there was an apt upgrade of proftpd today, however it spits out some "--------- IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR XINETD USERS ----------" which I belive apt thinks is an error and therefore stops |
| 15:29.56 | Phil4 | is there any way to supress this error? |
| 15:30.01 | Phil4 | well, not error |
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| 15:30.04 | abhi | wols: I am ubuntu user. where adding a repo. is childs play. |
| 15:30.11 | Phil4 | but force apt to continue regardless of the text |
| 15:30.21 | wols_ | abhi: then learn to read docs. and adding a repo in debian is exactly the same |
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| 15:30.36 | abhi | not at all |
| 15:30.37 | enouf | indeed |
| 15:30.48 | UNDERsoN | wols yeah I understand that this is not your problem. Machine is virtual on remote machine (((( |
| 15:30.57 | S4nD3r | wols_: Here is output policy http://paste.debian.net/49551 |
| 15:31.00 | enouf | if you can't open and edit a config file, go back to wintendo |
| 15:31.02 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: so add one good route? |
| 15:31.06 | ihtraum | zinx: my system recognize perfectly... it indicated in the output of lsusb |
| 15:31.20 | UNDERsoN | ok... I'll try |
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| 15:31.36 | enouf | or better, unplug and bury that POS electronic box |
| 15:31.40 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:31.54 | ihtraum | zinx: I will read the man-page of the lsusb, to seek more information |
| 15:32.11 | zinx | ihtraum: being listed in lsusb does *NOT* mean you have a driver for it |
| 15:32.25 | zinx | ihtraum: if you want any help at all, you're going to have to tell us what the USB id is |
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| 15:33.18 | zinx | ihtraum: lsusb merely lists the connected devices - it doesn't anything at all about drivers |
| 15:33.25 | enouf | wols_: would compile times on an amd64 s754 be much less painful than this p2? O_o |
| 15:33.30 | zinx | doesn't know anything at all, rather |
| 15:34.44 | rjp | wow enouf! |
| 15:34.50 | rjp | !beer enouf |
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| 15:35.07 | enouf | !thank rjp |
| 15:35.08 | dpkg | enouf: bitte |
| 15:35.11 | rjp | :D |
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| 15:35.53 | enouf | oh crap, i need some sort of HSF .. almost forgot - hehe |
| 15:36.07 | enouf | (bought the cpu, oem style) |
| 15:36.22 | ihtraum | zinx: ok, i understand |
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| 15:38.06 | ihtraum | zinx: then, for some information about driver, can I look at this file? http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids |
| 15:38.35 | zinx | ihtraum: you can search the internet for it |
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| 15:39.06 | zinx | ihtraum: (for the USB id, most likely.. searching for the model is somewhat less reliable) |
| 15:40.02 | zinx | ihtraum: webcam makers don't typically tell you what chipset they use, and sometimes they sell completely different hardware under the same name as their other hardware |
| 15:41.01 | DawnLight | does anyone know whether this can be of use to anyone today? i don't know what it is, exactly. http://picpaste.com/snapshot001.jpg |
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| 15:41.24 | enouf | haha prciegrabber shows a midtower @ 27.99 .. shipping = $37.98 .. O.o |
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| 15:41.49 | zinx | enouf: that's typical.. some costing that much even come with a power supply (though it is a useless power supply) |
| 15:42.26 | zinx | enouf: #hardware or such might be a better place, though |
| 15:42.28 | enouf | zinx: yeah - i got nice spanking new coolermaster 600 watters here though ;-) |
| 15:42.36 | enouf | well, i know how to shop ;-) |
| 15:42.45 | Phil4 | anyone know how to make an apt install continue regardless of errors/what it thinks are errors? |
| 15:42.55 | zinx | Phil4: correct the errors |
| 15:43.03 | Phil4 | zinx, it's not an error |
| 15:43.04 | zinx | Phil4: apt doesn't make mistakes in that area |
| 15:43.18 | zinx | Phil4: which error is it claiming it is, then? |
| 15:43.22 | ihtraum | zinx: lack of transparency of the webcam makers |
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| 15:43.49 | enouf | but thanks - maybe i'll march over to WorstBuy and try to find a broken cardboard box (open container) for cheap .. like i did with this keys+mouse dealio :-P |
| 15:43.52 | zinx | ihtraum: yes.. not uncommon in the hardware industry |
| 15:43.54 | Phil4 | zinx: http://pastebin.com/m45c9c8cb |
| 15:44.08 | Phil4 | it thinks that text thrown out by the installer about inetd is an error, I belive |
| 15:44.29 | zinx | Phil4: the package is broken |
| 15:44.37 | zinx | Phil4: no, it uses the exit code to determine that |
| 15:45.15 | zinx | Phil4: you can force it to not run the installation script, but that's probably not a good idea |
| 15:45.25 | zinx | Phil4: you should report a bug on whichever version of the package that is |
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| 15:47.05 | ShredZ | I'm dist-upgrading a sarge 3.1 with 2.4 kernel to an etch, do I have to check something before I can install a 2.6 kernel or will it almost certainly go one way or the other ? |
| 15:47.11 | rehana | how do i make a .deb pkg with out any scripts?? |
| 15:47.18 | rehana | can any one help me? |
| 15:47.26 | XTZGZoReX | I can use "mv folder destionation/to/move/to" to move a folder, right? |
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| 15:47.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:47.40 | ihtraum | zinx: thanks for explanation... I had a wrong idea about output of the lsusb |
| 15:47.40 | Phil4 | guess I have to wait it out with no ftpd until they fix it, zinx? |
| 15:47.50 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: OK, thanks. |
| 15:48.05 | zinx | XTZGZoReX: yes, but if you don't include the / in the destination path, it will rename the directory as well |
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| 15:48.44 | leonardo | hi, anyone knows any PIm software that is able to add custom fields " add, delete and edit fields" |
| 15:48.46 | sint | hey, is anyone here using phpmyadmin and mysql? |
| 15:48.53 | zinx | Phil4: possibly, yes |
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| 15:49.01 | Phil4 | urgh |
| 15:49.12 | DawnLight | !anyone |
| 15:49.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:50.28 | sint | DawnLight: hm |
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| 15:51.42 | sint | so the question is about collations in phpmyadmin or mysql! i need help to set them up correctly. i was searching in google and other irc channels. but #phpmyadmin is almost sleeping and #mysql is not answering about it! :( |
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| 15:52.06 | DawnLight | sint: documentation isn't helping? |
| 15:53.53 | sint | DawnLight: haven't found much about it in the docs |
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| 15:54.13 | DawnLight | sint: sorry, i don't know these programs |
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| 15:55.01 | sint | ya no problem |
| 15:55.06 | ronr | sint: what is the problem with collations? |
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| 15:56.58 | sint | ronr: i've set up my db to work with utf8. but maybe i've done it wrong. i've coded a small website with a backend. everything i put into db is working fine. but if i look at the db with phpmyadmin all the non-english chars are messed up. so i don't know if its the phpmyadmin, mysql or my code?! |
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| 15:58.47 | rehana | how do i make a .deb pkg with out any scripts?? |
| 15:58.50 | sint | i would love to know, how to find out where to change collations to work fine with the db, phpmadmin or my website |
| 15:59.20 | sint | and there are over 10 different utf8 types to choose from. :( |
| 15:59.20 | ronr | sint: I guess it's probably one of these: phpmyadmin doesn't support utf8 well (pretty likely), your browser doesn't have the required fonts, your code is bad (if your code fetches the content and shows it, is it ok again?) |
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| 16:01.18 | enouf | ShredZ: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" and "/msg dpkg dbse" |
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| 16:02.03 | sint | ronr: i don't think it is the browser since it is displaying every other website very well. maybe its just phpmyadmin cause the stuff looks like this: "Für Anfänger" which should look like: "Für Anfänger" |
| 16:03.19 | sint | ronr: i had similar problems once, when i was switching from another db into my local one. the other db had iso stuff and i was trying to convert it into utf8 |
| 16:03.40 | sint | but this has nothing to do with my website i'm coding right now |
| 16:03.41 | zinx | sint: character set issues |
| 16:03.55 | ronr | sint: that's like utf8 being displayed like it's ascii / iso-8859-1 alright, you can check with php cli: php -r 'print utf8_decode("Für Anfänger") . "\n";' |
| 16:04.11 | zinx | sint: it's possible your database is iso8859-1, but you're storing UTF-8 in it, so phpmyadmin is converting it from iso8859-1 to UTF-8 |
| 16:04.44 | zinx | sint: which will produce the weird characters instead of what you want |
| 16:04.45 | sint | zinx: how to find out if it is iso8859-1? |
| 16:04.59 | zinx | sint: should be listed somewhere in phpmyadmin |
| 16:05.09 | zinx | sint: database/table properties somewhere |
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| 16:06.27 | sint | ronr: let me check for zinx idea, i will go after yours in a minute |
| 16:06.42 | cab46 | i have buy a second disk ( 500gb) for my server , what is the best chooise xfs or ext3 ? |
| 16:06.50 | jetscreamer | jfs |
| 16:07.08 | dcnoye | xfs |
| 16:07.33 | jetscreamer | do the research |
| 16:07.41 | cab46 | what is better in xfs respect ext3 ? |
| 16:07.41 | mishok13 | fat16 ;) |
| 16:07.42 | jetscreamer | learn about the xfs grubbug |
| 16:07.52 | jetscreamer | know if it will affect you |
| 16:08.00 | cab46 | the disck is for file server data |
| 16:08.15 | enouf | i don't know, i like the way mini towers are so squat (mATX ofcourse) - and i think i'd rather have one of those instead of a mid tower, if i can't get a full tower for cheap - i mean this babyAT is just so cute O_o |
| 16:08.19 | ronr | cab46: minix |
| 16:08.30 | jetscreamer | well then there's filesize considerations... xfs is good for ??? files... |
| 16:08.35 | jetscreamer | do the research |
| 16:08.43 | jetscreamer | look at jfs also, it's very stable |
| 16:08.45 | enouf | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=SubCatDeals&SubCategory=7&StoreType=2&N=2000090007 much better choices |
| 16:08.49 | jetscreamer | at least for me |
| 16:08.57 | zinx | sint: meh, looks like phpmyadmin makes you choose a character set/language when you log in.. doesn't actually support the database's idea of character set |
| 16:09.38 | abhi | bye everyone. |
| 16:09.43 | enouf | jetscreamer: IIRC, xfs also allows for online resizing? also has xattr .. good for very large files? |
| 16:09.49 | abhi | thanks for help |
| 16:10.16 | sint | zinx: ok, its english utf-8 when i log in |
| 16:10.21 | jetscreamer | enouf: i didn't do the research that far, i would have been affected by the xfs grubbug... (that's why i said 'do the research') |
| 16:10.33 | jetscreamer | one of the reasons |
| 16:10.35 | enouf | jetscreamer: ahh .. i see, ok |
| 16:10.42 | sint | zinx: and the tables are in utf-8_general_ci |
| 16:10.48 | zinx | sint: ah, hmm |
| 16:11.02 | zinx | sint: check what your browser detected as the charater set, maybe force it to utf-8 |
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| 16:11.17 | zinx | sint: in iceweasel, it's view -> character encoding |
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| 16:11.24 | jetscreamer | i do know that there are enough resources out there to make an intelligent decision |
| 16:11.37 | dcnoye | cab46: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 16:11.50 | zinx | sint: if that's right... whatever's putting the values in to the database probably has the wrong encoding :x |
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| 16:11.51 | enouf | wols_: my compile pooped again - even after i disabled the stuff the patch was meant for - so .. i guess it's the way it's applying poorly :-) |
| 16:12.03 | sint | firefox tells me the encoding is utf8 |
| 16:12.11 | zinx | sint: then the values in the db are probably wrong |
| 16:12.23 | cab46 | thank guys |
| 16:12.31 | sint | zinx: hm :( |
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| 16:12.45 | zinx | sint: you can try select * from x where foo LIKE '%Ã%' |
| 16:12.53 | mplex | is logrotate the only thing that rotates logs on debian? |
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| 16:12.56 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 16:13.05 | sint | zinx: in phpmyadmin? |
| 16:13.10 | zinx | sint: yeah.. if it returns something, it's in the db the wrong way |
| 16:13.21 | zinx | sint: using the proper table / field name of course |
| 16:13.25 | Haris1 | We have cisco vpn client for windows and linux (redhat). Do we have any vpn client I can configure on etch r2 with 2 level auth? |
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| 16:14.19 | Haris1 | !info vpnclient |
| 16:14.23 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 16:15.46 | sint | zinx: it returns lots of stuff like i thought |
| 16:15.51 | zinx | sint: :( |
| 16:16.00 | DawnLight | does anyone know whether this can be of use to anyone today? i don't know what it is, exactly. http://picpaste.com/snapshot001.jpg |
| 16:16.13 | sint | zinx: but why it is running correct on the website itself?! |
| 16:16.21 | zinx | sint: that.. i do not know |
| 16:16.22 | Haris1 | Do we have a vpn client app on etch? |
| 16:16.30 | zinx | sint: i suspect evil hacks are at work |
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| 16:17.15 | ronr | sint: most likely your site actually does utf8_decode somewhere on whatever the db returns |
| 16:17.35 | jelly | Haris1: apt-cache search vpn doesn't return anything? |
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| 16:17.48 | mplex | I added a logfile under syslog.conf for a facility, and it keeps rotating once a week, now I added an entry to logrotate.conf that says dont rotate it (its not even in /var/log), and I run logrotate in debug mode and notice that it knows not to rotate the file, but once a week at a time that logrotate is not scheduled to run under cron.daily, the log is rotating, any ideas what is doing it? |
| 16:17.57 | Haris1 | sorry! to pester you guys |
| 16:17.57 | Haris1 | vpnc - Cisco-compatible VPN client |
| 16:18.34 | sint | ronr: i've never done that line into my code! |
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| 16:18.50 | sint | sint: its so annoying :( |
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| 16:20.06 | ronr | sint: do you use some third party layer between your code and the db (an orm maybe) |
| 16:20.54 | sint | ronr: i'm using pdo from php to put stuff into db and also read from db |
| 16:20.55 | sint | thats it |
| 16:21.53 | XTZGZoReX | 16:48… zinx: XTZGZoReX: yes, but if you don't include the / in the destination path, it will rename the directory as well |
| 16:21.53 | XTZGZoReX | Meaning, I should do: destionation/path/here/ ? |
| 16:21.53 | zinx | XTZGZoReX: yes |
| 16:21.53 | sint | ronr: but i'm running a second website on the same db with usual mysql php functions and i have the same problem there |
| 16:21.53 | XTZGZoReX | zinx: OK, thanks. :) |
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| 16:22.01 | zinx | XTZGZoReX: that way even if 'here' doesn't exist, it will just say "not a directory" or somesuch |
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| 16:22.17 | XTZGZoReX | zinx: Oh, good thing, that. |
| 16:22.18 | zinx | XTZGZoReX: otherwise it'll rename it to 'here' |
| 16:22.19 | sint | ronr: maybe its my webservers fault, but i doubt that |
| 16:22.29 | ronr | sint: ok, that shouldn't be it, do you build up the output with a DomDocument? |
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| 16:22.55 | sint | ronr: never heard about DomDocument |
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| 16:23.13 | sint | ronr: so, no .. i don't use it |
| 16:23.20 | jirka | hello all, could somebody help me with this strange problem please? I've got mounted samba network volume with windows files copied on it. There are international characters in filenames there and gnome-terminal displays it correct, but when i try to look at it with gnome commander or nautilus (gnome file manager), there are exclamation marks on place of those international characters ... |
| 16:23.31 | sint | ronr: just a sql statement and a simple echo ""; from php |
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| 16:24.19 | ronr | sint: if you ever want to make sure you make proper xhtml you should look at it, don't know what it could be then, if I were you I'd start var_dump-ing stuff in my code to figure out where utf8 is decoded |
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| 16:24.40 | Haris1 | It works! IT WORKS! |
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| 16:25.46 | sint | ronr: thanks. i'm usually trying to make good xhtml stuff but never heard about domdocument. |
| 16:25.52 | sint | i will check it out |
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| 16:26.43 | ronr | sint: domdocument is the php implementation of w3's document object model, that boils down to: it won't allow you to make anything that's not valid xml |
| 16:27.01 | sint | ronr: sounds cool :) |
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| 16:27.32 | sint | ronr: ok than ... i'm off to check for it. and i hope i get this utf8 issue fixed soon |
| 16:27.43 | sint | ronr: thanks alot |
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| 16:33.14 | holycow | hey guys |
| 16:33.16 | holycow | is it possible to block all websites using the hosts file EXCEPT say 2 or 3? |
| 16:33.30 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 16:34.01 | enouf | abrotman: it's a wintendos thing to blacklist sites |
| 16:34.06 | jirka | hello all, could somebody help me with this strange problem please? I've got mounted samba network volume with windows files copied on it. There are international characters in filenames there and gnome-terminal displays it correct, but when i try to look at it with gnome commander or nautilus (gnome file manager), there are exclamation marks on place of those international characters ... |
| 16:34.07 | drwahl | i'm trying to fix the ncurses errors that 'screen' is causing. the most that i know so far is that printenv differs from a non-screened term and a sreened term. anyone know what i need to change to fix this? |
| 16:34.38 | enouf | though usually in reverse , seems he wants a very small whitelist abrotman ;-) |
| 16:34.46 | ronr | holycow: use iptables for that, not your host file |
| 16:34.51 | Polleke | holycow, I think it would.. normal approach would be a couple of iptables rules |
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| 16:36.43 | abrotman | enouf: hi, i'm a firewall |
| 16:36.45 | holycow | damn phone |
| 16:36.48 | holycow | aha okay *nod* |
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| 16:37.00 | holycow | right that makes sense |
| 16:37.01 | holycow | thanks! |
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| 16:37.33 | enouf | abrotman: hi there red :-p |
| 16:37.55 | abrotman | enouf: how'd you know my beard came in red-ish ? |
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| 16:38.23 | Polleke | o.O |
| 16:38.26 | holycow | lol |
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| 16:39.28 | enouf | (refrains from mentioning anything even remote about carpet matching the drapes) O_o |
| 16:39.30 | jetscreamer | abeardrotman? |
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| 16:39.58 | jetscreamer | mine comes in like that too, cept for the grey |
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| 16:40.27 | ronsonol | A friend gave me a PNY Attache 1 Gb flash drive. I know these have worked for others on Linux, but mount identifies this one as write-protected. Whatdya do to correct that? |
| 16:40.38 | jetscreamer | !ru |
| 16:40.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 16:41.15 | CharminTheMoose | how do I view what files are created by installing what debian packages via the CLI? |
| 16:41.26 | CharminTheMoose | ala synaptic? |
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| 16:42.02 | jetscreamer | CharminTheMoose: you want to know what files are in a given package? |
| 16:42.19 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 16:42.23 | CharminTheMoose | jetscreamer, yeah, from the one's currently installed |
| 16:42.42 | CharminTheMoose | oh right. thank you Eulex |
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| 16:44.09 | Eulex | yw |
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| 16:53.45 | shailender__ | dpkg |
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| 16:54.28 | CharminTheMoose | how would I go about manually installing .deb files? arj? |
| 16:55.07 | SlayerXP | CharminTheMoose: pkdig -i filename.deb |
| 16:55.09 | SlayerXP | errr |
| 16:55.14 | SlayerXP | CharminTheMoose: dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 16:58.11 | nakeee | is there a way to be notified on mouse disconnect? |
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| 16:58.52 | dante_2core | nakeee, do you mean if you physically unplug a mouse device? |
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| 16:59.01 | drwahl | i'm trying to fix the ncurses errors that 'screen' is causing. the most that i know so far is that printenv differs from a non-screened term and a sreened term. anyone know what i need to change to fix this? |
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| 16:59.26 | chilly | guys , wha is the program on debian to format a disc |
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| 16:59.33 | nakeee | dante_2core, yes, I want to now when someone disconnect the mouse of the keyboard (usb) |
| 16:59.39 | the_sniff | anyone knows something about a website exploit using "/z/static.php" ? |
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| 17:00.03 | jetscreamer | nakeee: it usually comes up in the console, you want a gtk popup or something? |
| 17:00.05 | dante_2core | nakeee, well, look at what happens to the output of dmesg | tail |
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| 17:00.38 | nakeee | jetscreamer, I want email:) |
| 17:01.00 | nakeee | dante_2core, I want to be notified not busy wait on the log |
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| 17:01.53 | dante_2core | nakeee, well, you asked if there's a way to be notified |
| 17:02.15 | dante_2core | nakeee, I said yes there is one, because it is logged, which makes you able to monitor it somehow |
| 17:02.19 | jetscreamer | you 'could' have some script constantly monitoring for such an event, and have it email you, but that's way beyond me |
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| 17:02.52 | jetscreamer | they probably have such scripts on the web as examples but i'm guessing |
| 17:02.54 | dante_2core | and nakeee, I am aware of you not wanting to sit there and refresh the log view 24/7, thanks |
| 17:03.02 | nakeee | I was hoping someone could save me the time of looking at inotify/dbus :) |
| 17:03.11 | jetscreamer | what he said i think |
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| 17:03.36 | jetscreamer | nakeee: maybe they know of such in #bash or #perl |
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| 17:03.40 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 17:07.01 | Jooon | is there an apt-get dep to install only the dependencies for a package like there is apt-get build-dep to install build dependencies for a source package? |
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| 17:08.17 | ltsampros | hello guys |
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| 17:08.39 | ltsampros | i have a small and quick regading apt-get and sources.list |
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| 17:09.05 | ltsampros | I have added some unofficial repositories (3) to install various development packages |
| 17:09.25 | nebM0ft | When I click on "Layout view" in gnomes keyboard-layout panel plugin i see nothing in an empty window, can install anything to see tha actual layouts? |
| 17:09.44 | ltsampros | is it possible to remove all those packages installed from these unofficial repositories easily with some dpkg/apt-get magic ? |
| 17:10.42 | nebM0ft | ltsampros: reinstall debian? :) |
| 17:11.12 | ltsampros | goux goux... |
| 17:11.16 | ltsampros | this is not windos :P |
| 17:11.29 | chandor | ltsampros: synaptic/left pane/origin |
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| 17:12.29 | rahul | hmm |
| 17:12.37 | rahul | I don't think people can get intothe channel |
| 17:12.37 | Eulex | ltsampros, it is not, you'll need to perform that manually. there is not really any way of knowing from where the package was installed. |
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| 17:12.49 | nebM0ft | ltsampros: well if you used unofficial repos which are usually more up to date than debians offical repos then theres not downgrading possible.. |
| 17:12.52 | nebM0ft | :) |
| 17:12.55 | rahul | !ops methinks the channel limit is b0rked |
| 17:12.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rahul complains about: methinks the channel limit is b0rked |
| 17:13.04 | azeem | rahul: what |
| 17:13.23 | Eulex | ltsampros, or rather, no way of knowing that you can apply to be automatic |
| 17:13.33 | rahul | I'm seeing +l with no number |
| 17:13.43 | Dave2 | your client must be broken then |
| 17:13.45 | kloeri | rahul: channel limit is fine |
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| 17:13.47 | Eulex | rahul, I see 865 |
| 17:13.48 | ltsampros | hm no that's a problem |
| 17:14.02 | rahul | maybe it's different on different servers... |
| 17:14.08 | chronic1 | any idea on if ebtables-restore is included with the ebtables package...and if not; why not? |
| 17:14.25 | azeem | rahul: no need to call the ops before you haven't established there is an actual problem |
| 17:14.34 | Eulex | ltsampros, I once wrote a script that checked all installed packages for whether they are the newest from the currently used repos, though, but I believe I've lost it. |
| 17:14.36 | kloeri | rahul: channels can't be +l without a limit |
| 17:14.56 | kloeri | the limit can be screwed up but it can't disappear completely |
| 17:15.00 | ltsampros | Eulex: if i just remove the repos from sources.list and update/upgrade |
| 17:15.09 | ltsampros | won't have the packages installed from these repos removed ? |
| 17:15.11 | Eulex | ltsampros, that won't fix it |
| 17:15.14 | Eulex | ltsampros, no |
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| 17:15.23 | ltsampros | i see. |
| 17:15.29 | ltsampros | actually i could remove all those packages |
| 17:15.46 | ltsampros | as they do not exist on main |
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| 17:21.22 | fluxdude | arg! My 17TB partition will not format! I have got the following error while trying to use mke2fs -j -n /dev/sdb1 |
| 17:21.29 | fluxdude | mke2fs: File too large while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 17:21.36 | fluxdude | any ideas on how I can get around this quick??!! |
| 17:21.42 | fluxdude | I want to stick with ext3 if possible |
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| 17:23.14 | Maulkin | fluxdude: use a block size of 8KiB |
| 17:23.24 | hark | ltsampros: aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' |
| 17:23.32 | Maulkin | Though that may not be available on your architecture... |
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| 17:25.05 | wilsonr | does anyone know what "eth0:avah" means in an ifconfig dump? |
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| 17:25.30 | wilsonr | I'm having trouble getting my wired connection back up after being on wireless. |
| 17:25.39 | shad0w1e | which kernel package is intalled by default on 64bit version? |
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| 17:26.23 | USN1520 | hello, any idea where I can get a pre-compiled package for madwifi? |
| 17:26.32 | azeem | !madwifi |
| 17:26.32 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net |
| 17:27.04 | USN1520 | madwifi-install |
| 17:27.25 | tralala | USN1520, /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 17:28.27 | USN1520 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.40 | USN1520 | ok am I stupid or what |
| 17:28.42 | azeem | without the leading space |
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| 17:29.23 | shad0w1e | is there any point to changing off the default kernel? |
| 17:29.39 | shad0w1e | I'm running 64 bit version on a dual opteron (so 4 CPUS) |
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| 17:30.28 | jetscreamer | i don't know about the 64bit kernels but the -686 ones are optimized for pentium pros |
| 17:30.50 | shad0w1e | I plan on using this mahcine JUST to run VM's |
| 17:31.09 | USN1520 | the dpkg is helpful but if you have no wired internet connection on you debian system you are hosed |
| 17:31.59 | jetscreamer | well you could get all the dvd's |
| 17:32.37 | jetscreamer | and dpkg's db is available for d/l |
| 17:32.40 | USN1520 | not to mention that base installs do not include kernel src to compile |
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| 17:34.48 | hark | USN1520: you don't need the source, just the headers for m-a |
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| 17:34.59 | JasonF | Hi all, I have a question about sarge... I have a box that is running a backported kernel due to newer hardware, and I'm trying to find a version that's patched for the kernel vuln... any leads as far as sources for that? |
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| 17:35.25 | USN1520 | hark, I don't understand |
| 17:35.38 | aDocuhe | USN1520, shut up dirty ape |
| 17:36.03 | JasonF | Okay. I'm running a sarge box, which is running a backported kernel... I need a newer backported kernel, and I'm curious if anyone has a source for one? |
| 17:36.17 | azeem | aDocuhe: do you ahve a Debian question? |
| 17:36.18 | azeem | have* |
| 17:36.26 | USN1520 | aDocuhe, ah typical geek speak |
| 17:36.30 | aDocuhe | USN1520, shut up dirty ape |
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| 17:36.39 | azeem | d'oh |
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| 17:37.08 | USN1520 | and folks wonder why more people do not come here to ask questions |
| 17:37.26 | azeem | USN1520: what can we do, he just joined |
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| 17:37.32 | USN1520 | true |
| 17:37.37 | amphi | USN1520: aDocuhe was not particularly alarming |
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| 17:37.53 | JasonF | it's a flipped letter away from "a douche" |
| 17:38.03 | USN1520 | good point |
| 17:38.41 | beardy | IIRC the same nick has done the same once before. |
| 17:38.44 | USN1520 | good day gents |
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| 17:38.55 | beardy | G'day. |
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| 17:42.30 | fluxdude | Maulkin: yeah 8K block size is not available on my system, do I need to compile a new kernel with some option to enable it? |
| 17:44.01 | bluequijote | I am trying to install debian on a laptop dv2710... but the installer can't install grub... somebody can help me please? Tky |
| 17:44.11 | Maulkin | fluxdude: now, you need to buy a new processor architecture. Try alpha. |
| 17:44.30 | bluequijote | grub-pc in /target/ |
| 17:45.18 | Buzer | hey. Is it possible to build a custom kernel with Xen dom0 support on Debian without recompiling whole Xen? |
| 17:46.30 | Buzer | (2.6.18 kernel doesn't support AHCI (&there isn't newer -amd64 on backports), so I'm pretty much forced to use custom one) |
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| 17:48.19 | grulll | enouf, hehe, I made the changes of the sata disk like you told me earlier. The problem I am getting is this one. It boot the first time without any problem but now, When I configure it as sda it is detected as hde and when I configure it as hde it is detected as sda |
| 17:48.32 | grulll | don't know why, is like a game without end |
| 17:49.15 | grulll | is there a way to say grub that don't boot sda or hde install partition label 1 or 2 or something like that |
| 17:49.36 | enouf | yes, use root=LABEL=labelname |
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| 17:50.11 | enouf | man e2label (for ext2/3), ls -l /dev/disk/* note the /by-label |
| 17:50.20 | enouf | or do the same using UUIDs instead |
| 17:51.16 | grulll | rather use uuid |
| 17:51.26 | grulll | what do you recommend |
| 17:51.41 | enouf | whatever ;-) |
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| 17:52.08 | hmmhesays | is there something in debian like /etc/sysconfig/vncservers in centos? |
| 17:52.43 | wols_ | what does this file do? |
| 17:53.25 | hmmhesays | gives arguments to vncserver |
| 17:53.52 | fluxdude | Maulkin: huh? I've actually got an AMD64 if this makes any difference... |
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| 17:59.06 | Maulkin | fluxdude: Just use a smaller filesystem. Split it into two |
| 17:59.13 | th0ger_ifa | When I use 'dpkg -l "*<regex>*"' how can I find packages matching foo AND bar? |
| 17:59.19 | rjp | hmmhesays, /etc/vnc/config or ~/.vnc/config |
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| 17:59.48 | XTZGZoReX | Ey. |
| 17:59.50 | XTZGZoReX | xtzgzorex1:/home/wowserv# cp mangospvp ../ |
| 17:59.50 | XTZGZoReX | cp: omitting directory `mangospvp' |
| 17:59.54 | XTZGZoReX | What exactly does that mean? |
| 18:00.11 | XTZGZoReX | I want to copy a directory to a directory. |
| 18:00.23 | themill | it means it didn't do anything. Use -R |
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| 18:00.29 | th0ger_ifa | XTZGZoReX: use cp -r to copy recusively |
| 18:00.36 | th0ger_ifa | recursively |
| 18:00.38 | XTZGZoReX | Oh, I see. |
| 18:00.40 | XTZGZoReX | Thanks. |
| 18:00.50 | xingu | th0ger_ifa: foo.*bar|bar.*foo ? |
| 18:01.54 | dkr | dpkg -l|grep foo|grep bar |
| 18:01.56 | hmmhesays | I'm trying to get vnc to load a different windows manager rather than the default one when I start vnc server |
| 18:02.21 | enouf | wols_: well, atleast i'm homing in on where he failure is; 5 out of 10 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file ./drivers/char/keyboard.c.rej |
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| 18:02.34 | xingu | oh, it's just a simple glob, not ere |
| 18:03.09 | xingu | th0ger_ifa: either dpkg -l '*foo*bar*'; dpkg -l '*bar*foo*' ... or use grep. |
| 18:03.58 | xingu | enouf: whatcha playing with? |
| 18:04.04 | th0ger_ifa | xingu: ok |
| 18:04.06 | rjp | hmmhesays, echo yourwm > ~/.xinitrc; restart vnc |
| 18:04.17 | enouf | dpkg -l \* | egrep 'foo|bar' ? |
| 18:04.17 | dpkg | ii \* | egrep 'foo|bar' 3.5-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:04.24 | enouf | heh |
| 18:04.28 | themill | dpkg: shut up |
| 18:04.28 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 18:04.39 | rjp | dpkg, shut |
| 18:04.44 | enouf | xingu: some mess with kernel patching |
| 18:04.46 | hmmhesays | can I do this on a per user basis? |
| 18:04.48 | rjp | dpkg, up |
| 18:04.49 | dpkg | the *ceiling* moron, or a direction directly opposing the pull of gra-vity |
| 18:04.51 | rjp | :P |
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| 18:04.54 | xingu | enouf: I gathered that much. :) |
| 18:04.58 | Buzer | So, no one has any expierence of building a custom kernel with Xen support without rebuilding Xen? :( |
| 18:05.04 | Perfector | what happens if you reboot a debian system while one of it's sw-raid1 partition is resyncing? |
| 18:05.16 | enouf | xingu: well, sit tight - more detail - thanks ;-) |
| 18:05.17 | dkr | is the ceiling moron the satan to oppose ceiling cat as god? |
| 18:05.33 | XTZGZoReX | What's the command to rename a directory, again? |
| 18:05.37 | enouf | mv |
| 18:05.51 | Perfector | should it boot just normally? |
| 18:05.53 | rjp | XTZGZoReX, info bash |
| 18:06.01 | themill | !tell XTZGZoReX about general cli tutorial |
| 18:06.21 | dkr | Perfector: should be ok, yeah. will just have to start over |
| 18:06.47 | Perfector | dkr: For some reason my server isn't coming up anymore :/ |
| 18:07.11 | XTZGZoReX | Eh well |
| 18:07.11 | dkr | Perfector: at what step. error messages? |
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| 18:07.18 | XTZGZoReX | That tutorial is fine but I don't see anything "rename files" or something similar. |
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| 18:07.32 | Perfector | dkr: remote server |
| 18:07.39 | jrails | how do I define the priority of releases in apt? |
| 18:07.43 | dkr | Perfector: the advantage to rqid1 is you always boot from one of the member devices directly instead of the raid device |
| 18:07.49 | dkr | you can |
| 18:07.49 | enouf | xingu: basically, i'm getting this http://pastebin.ca/raw/910979 , after trying to patch both/either .24 and .25-rc2 vanilla with a patch meant for and works with .23 ftp://ftp.SpeakupModified.Org/speakupmodified/speakup/ |
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| 18:08.04 | dkr | jrails: edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:08.10 | themill | jrails: man 5 apt_preferences |
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| 18:08.17 | insider- | wlist wlan0 scan no results!! prism2.5 with hostap..! any suggestion ??? |
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| 18:08.46 | dkr | XTZGZoReX: you were given an answer: mv |
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| 18:09.03 | XTZGZoReX | dkr: Didn't see. OK. |
| 18:09.07 | dkr | XTZGZoReX: moving to the same directory with qdifferent name is the same as renaming |
| 18:09.39 | XTZGZoReX | oh, thanks. |
| 18:09.42 | xingu | enouf: I'll take a 5s look too just for shits'n'giggles |
| 18:09.49 | themill | XTZGZoReX: it's also section 2.2 of that tutorial. |
| 18:09.52 | enouf | xingu: and here's one area of the patchset (when applied manually) |
| 18:09.53 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/911410 |
| 18:09.58 | rjp | !beer Rothgar |
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| 18:10.17 | dkr | xingu: laughing in the bathroom can be dangerous |
| 18:10.18 | shailu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.24 | XTZGZoReX | themill: yeah apparently |
| 18:10.36 | jrails | dkr, preferences file doesn't exist .... do I create it? |
| 18:10.41 | dkr | yes |
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| 18:12.40 | Shadur | Gah. For some reason one of my servers refuses to boot; it can't load udev. When I try to run it manually with debug enabled I get "address family not supported" |
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| 18:13.05 | Shadur | Trying lsmod or modprobe gives me QM_MODULES: Function not implemented. |
| 18:13.05 | enouf | dkr: you're not a Minnesota Senator are you? |
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| 18:13.48 | Shadur | I'd try to google for the error message but right now all I've got is a text screen. |
| 18:14.14 | k-os | got a problem with some keys it seems as i try to add the multimedia repo; W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 - any ideas? |
| 18:14.29 | enouf | Shadur: er, what udev module? afaik, udev isn't part of the kernel - or am i brainfarting |
| 18:15.07 | enouf | k-os: see /topic |
| 18:15.08 | xingu | enouf: the first reject in drivers/char/keyboard.c.rej is already merged |
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| 18:15.21 | Eulex | Shadur, is that a kernel you compiled yourself? |
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| 18:15.58 | hmmhesays | vncserver seems to not be reading my xstartup file |
| 18:16.07 | Shadur | Eulex: Yes, 2.6.24.2, compiled and rebooted into last week. |
| 18:16.15 | BadRobot | hi there |
| 18:16.18 | enouf | xingu: ok .. got it - i think it's the 2nd one --> + + EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(kbd); + EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(k_handler); |
| 18:16.29 | Shadur | enouf: No, I don't modprobe udev, I tried modprobing anything else. |
| 18:16.44 | Eulex | Shadur, try a debian kernel? |
| 18:16.59 | enouf | xingu: when i searched the kernel code http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/+code=k_handler like that |
| 18:17.02 | BadRobot | is there any way to install suse w/o touching /home? |
| 18:17.02 | xingu | enouf: the second one is looking a little more fiddly - it's evidently been reworked to use a notifier chain |
| 18:17.08 | Shadur | Eulex: I tried swapping back to previous kernels already - same result. |
| 18:17.09 | xingu | enouf: "it", ie keyboard.c |
| 18:17.14 | BadRobot | sorry I mean Debian |
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| 18:17.34 | enouf | xingu: ahhh, i think ;-) |
| 18:17.43 | Shadur | BadRobot: Sure. During install, tell it to mount but not format it. |
| 18:17.47 | Eulex | Shadur, have you examined the logs? |
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| 18:18.00 | enouf | Shadur: erm, did you have auto-loading of modules enabled in kernel? |
| 18:18.10 | k-os | enouf, thanks, but i gave the same error.. |
| 18:18.36 | xingu | enouf: you're looking around line 1268-1271 or so for the insertion point of the second hunk |
| 18:18.42 | enouf | k-os: you followed the steps exactly as outlined in /msg dpkg no public key ? |
| 18:18.55 | BadRobot | how do i do that? |
| 18:19.07 | xingu | enouf: without knowing what exactly the (new) keyboard_notifier_list actually did, I'd be hesitant to merge that lot |
| 18:19.18 | k-os | enouf, then it told me to install something, and do an update, the same error appeared after that |
| 18:19.22 | xingu | enouf: git should have some intel... 2s I'll link you up. |
| 18:19.24 | enouf | xingu: wow, it's actually bringing back memories now - been a while since i even applied it to .23 |
| 18:19.35 | Shadur | Eulex: Not yet - I just got onsite and the system isn't remotely accessible anymore. I had the onsite techs try a few things but they're the next best thing to nearly ignorant when it comes to linux. |
| 18:19.42 | enouf | xingu: cool, take your time |
| 18:19.48 | BadRobot | i am using linux mint now and /home it's my partition |
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| 18:19.55 | Shadur | BadRobot: Once you get to the partitioning part debian'll give you the options. |
| 18:19.55 | enouf | k-os: one sec |
| 18:20.01 | Eulex | Shadur, oh |
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| 18:20.19 | xingu | enouf: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=tree <-- starting point; drill down to drivers/char/keyboard.c and lets look at the history |
| 18:21.07 | BadRobot | so can i select what to format during the install(like usr/var/tmp and so on)? |
| 18:21.08 | enouf | k-os: that appears to be a dmm key |
| 18:21.12 | Shadur | Anyway, the system in question is about a minute away from this terminal, so I'll be back in a bit. |
| 18:21.16 | Shadur | BadRobot: Yes. |
| 18:21.27 | xingu | enouf: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ab4396e19fba338baf28044d3e48385744b930 |
| 18:21.33 | enouf | k-os: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch |
| 18:21.34 | xingu | enouf: speakup is already merged in mainline? |
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| 18:22.11 | BadRobot | thx shadur |
| 18:22.19 | enouf | xingu: ya know - someone mentioned that some of it might be in .24 - but searching the kernel for "speakup" yielded me like 2 ppc files |
| 18:22.25 | k-os | enouf, thanks alot! it worked |
| 18:22.32 | BadRobot | i will try to install debian w/o touching my /home |
| 18:22.35 | enouf | k-os: np |
| 18:22.51 | xingu | enouf: I get the impression that the notifier chains are merged; what you need is a new diff and I _think_ I've seen some kernel traffic about that - calling them "adapters" |
| 18:23.27 | enouf | xingu: excellent - you have done me good, given me a direction to go -- i was lost ;-) |
| 18:23.53 | xingu | enouf: I'm not done yet ;) |
| 18:23.58 | dkr | is there a way to have dpkg tell you the other keys with listkeys if it just shows you 15 of 45? help just says listkeys <regex> |
| 18:24.01 | enouf | hehe ;-) |
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| 18:24.50 | enouf | xingu: you're too kind .. i was about to pass out - but i'd never be that rude - ergo; you have my attention, as long as needed ;-) |
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| 18:25.14 | enouf | dkr: i did listvals 1F41B907 |
| 18:25.18 | blairsooley | What's the max amount of RAM allowed on Debian Etch 32-Bit? |
| 18:25.25 | enouf | dkr: taken from his error originally |
| 18:25.26 | Perfector | 32 mb |
| 18:25.36 | Perfector | => |
| 18:26.04 | Perfector | not funny? |
| 18:26.05 | crem0r | 4gb i think |
| 18:26.05 | abrotman | blairsooley: depends on the kernel .. |
| 18:26.07 | Perfector | ok, I go back |
| 18:26.08 | maligor | 4gb |
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| 18:26.18 | abrotman | blairsooley: 960MB for some .. 4GB for some .. 64GB for some |
| 18:26.27 | maligor | yeah, unless you use pae |
| 18:26.28 | enouf | dkr: maybe that's not what you asked - i'm punchy over here |
| 18:26.36 | abrotman | !punch enouf |
| 18:26.37 | blairsooley | :/ |
| 18:26.41 | abrotman | blairsooley: why? |
| 18:26.42 | enouf | O_o |
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| 18:27.04 | maligor | pae's a bit flaky from what I understand tho |
| 18:27.19 | dkr | enouf: yeah, my question was unrelated. I was querying dpkg on my own |
| 18:27.21 | blairsooley | Well I'm building a server (to colocate) for my business and I'm going to sell Virtual Private Servers off of it, though, I wasn't too sure if Linux would support 4GB on 32-Bit. |
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| 18:27.31 | abrotman | blairsooley: yes it does |
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| 18:27.47 | maligor | blairsooley, you mean like windows 32bit memory handling crappiness? |
| 18:28.06 | blairsooley | Alright because the motherboard I'm getting only has 2 memory banks and I was going to do 1x2GB and 1x1GB or 2x2GB, depending on the limit for Linux. |
| 18:28.13 | JasonF | I have a question about sarge... I have a box that is running a backported kernel due to newer hardware, and I'm trying to find a version that's patched for the kernel vuln... any leads as far as sources for that? |
| 18:28.21 | blairsooley | Yes maligor, except for Linux, not Windows. ;) |
| 18:28.26 | enouf | dkr: you want to know how to see the rest of 15->45 rather than just the 1st 15 ? |
| 18:28.31 | k-os | do you recommend installing nvidia drivers through debian, or from nvidia itself? |
| 18:28.41 | Shadur | k-os: Debian. |
| 18:28.52 | dkr | enouf: right |
| 18:29.01 | nocho | Hi |
| 18:29.06 | nocho | I have not found a way to change the tags from my audio files. |
| 18:29.06 | enouf | dkr: we've been asking for years ;-) |
| 18:29.13 | dkr | heh |
| 18:29.21 | enouf | dkr: i never found out - not sure if it's available |
| 18:29.24 | nocho | My player battle is rhythmbox throws me when I try to change an error GStreamer |
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| 18:29.34 | nocho | I tried to do with xmms, so that leaves changed in the rhythmbox but still without success |
| 18:29.52 | enouf | dkr: might find out something via /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
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| 18:30.10 | k-os | Shadur, i am sure they both have pro's and cons :) |
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| 18:30.37 | chandor | nocho: easytag |
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| 18:31.25 | dkr | enouf: that worked. :) it led me to a faq which led me to http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 18:31.46 | enouf | dkr: haha :-) |
| 18:31.47 | maligor | blairsooley, googling seems to indicate that you get 4gb - kernel size (to next power of two size) |
| 18:31.55 | abrotman | i already answered him five minutes ago |
| 18:32.50 | slashtom_ | anyone around, who knows how to handle exim and sa-exim? |
| 18:33.00 | dkr | carefully |
| 18:33.10 | xingu | enouf: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=120342616630309&w=2 , http://eklhad.net/linux/jupiter/guide.html#patch |
| 18:33.30 | xingu | enouf: I can't find any rebased/notifier-ed speakup patch yet, still looking. |
| 18:33.52 | enouf | xingu: right - i might have some text, one sec |
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| 18:34.59 | xingu | enouf: #speakup, right here. |
| 18:35.18 | BadRobot | ok |
| 18:35.23 | themill | !tell Magnetophon about root |
| 18:35.43 | enouf | xingu: heh .. never knew :-( . .anyway http://pastebin.ca/raw/911449 |
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| 18:36.27 | blairsooley | Ok maligor, thanks. |
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| 18:37.19 | xingu | enouf: allegedly there's a git repo (run by kirk reiser I'd imagine) |
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| 18:37.48 | enouf | xingu: i'd have to check ther mailing lists - i don't think so - but perhaps |
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| 18:37.50 | weggpod | hy |
| 18:37.59 | xingu | enouf: http://www.linux-speakup.org/speakup.git/ |
| 18:38.08 | weggpod | how can i know the patch use in a precompiled package ? |
| 18:38.11 | enouf | oh yeah - right .. duh |
| 18:38.15 | xingu | enouf: and they're tracking 2.6.24 there apparently (from their list archives) |
| 18:38.21 | enouf | there's not much in there though, is there? |
| 18:38.26 | enouf | xingu: ^^^^^ |
| 18:38.29 | k-os | the best way to get gnome, is it by installing "gnome-desktop", "gnome-core" or just "gnome"? |
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| 18:39.14 | enouf | k-os: tasksel --list-packages gnome-desktop ? |
| 18:39.32 | enouf | !install gnome |
| 18:39.32 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
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| 18:39.35 | maligor | blairsooley, I'm sure with some creative kernel bloat drivers you can push the kernel size to 800MB to emulate windows |
| 18:39.51 | k-os | enouf, thanks, yet again |
| 18:39.51 | abrotman | weggpod: get the source package and inspect |
| 18:39.58 | abrotman | weggpod: or perhaps the Changelog |
| 18:40.03 | enouf | k-os: no prob ;-) |
| 18:40.18 | dashs | the last etch iceweasel update disabled my java jvm plugin -- I replaced it -- still doesn't work -- where is iceweasle looking? |
| 18:40.31 | hmmhesays | I cannot get ratpoison to start when I start vnc |
| 18:40.46 | k-os | i noticed thay by installing "gnome" i could not remove apps i dont use, like ekiga, without losing the whole desktop environment.... |
| 18:41.02 | enouf | k-os: fwiw, the correct command is $ tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop |
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| 18:41.41 | dkr | or aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment ? :) |
| 18:41.43 | k-os | if i install gnome-desktop-environment, i get less stuff, and i can install basically what i want without creating too many deps that will remove the whole d/e? |
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| 18:42.23 | enouf | k-os: i dont know, i don't use it - but see dkr 's above comment |
| 18:42.39 | xingu | enouf: sure there is, it's their HEAD; would take a wild guess that you could pull from that right into a git repo |
| 18:42.48 | dkr | well, I missed that he is removing stuff |
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| 18:43.08 | k-os | what is the least i can get, without creating too many deps? |
| 18:43.15 | xingu | enouf: I bet their irc channel will help a bit more; looks like you've dropped between the cracks of last-stable-monolithic-patch and wa-hey-notifiers-merged-party-party-party |
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| 18:43.36 | enouf | haha |
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| 18:44.15 | slashtom_ | anyone around, who knows how to handle exim and sa-exim? |
| 18:44.29 | abrotman | slashtom_: ask a better question |
| 18:44.42 | weggpod | abrotman in the source they are specials folders wich contain a list of patchs? |
| 18:44.52 | slashtom_ | ok - what do I have to do to turn off greylisting in exim? |
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| 18:45.13 | abrotman | weggpod: nope .. they've been applied already .. i thought you were looking for a specific one to see if it had been applied .. your next stop is probably the changelog |
| 18:45.18 | dkr | slashtom_: find the instructions for configuring greylisting and undo them? |
| 18:45.27 | enouf | xingu: well thank you kindly - i don't even know how to git yet, just i recall poking around in the speakup repo and not seeing much .. but i suppose i can ask in their channel now - i'm squatting there as we speak ;-) |
| 18:45.39 | k-os | one more ting, if i want to remove the whole Xfce and its libs and deps, is there a single command i can use that will do the work? |
| 18:45.57 | enouf | !remove xfce |
| 18:46.14 | k-os | i should talk to dpgk instead ;) |
| 18:46.16 | abrotman | jeez .. why not just remove libgtk |
| 18:46.16 | weggpod | abrotman, no i want compile a vanilla kernel but with the debian patch |
| 18:46.22 | xingu | enouf: there's one big blob in there from what I can see (in the git repo, haven't looked at the cvs one, yes there is a cvs repo too) |
| 18:46.28 | dkr | k-os: that happens by default when you aptitude remove if its deps aren't required by any other packages |
| 18:46.30 | abrotman | weggpod: that doesn't make sense .. debian has linux-source pacakges |
| 18:46.33 | weggpod | abrotman, but i don't know how to do this |
| 18:46.39 | enouf | k-os: well, i know we have KDE and GNOME, don't recall seeing xfce |
| 18:46.56 | abrotman | weggpod: why would you want to compile a new kernel but with debian achanges? why not just use the debian kernels ? |
| 18:46.57 | enouf | xingu: big blobs are good |
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| 18:47.26 | weggpod | abrotman, i know i just want to test, and to know what patchs are apply in dbian-kernel |
| 18:47.37 | abrotman | weggpod: tons |
| 18:47.54 | weggpod | abchirk, ? |
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| 18:48.02 | Magnetophon | themill: did you know by my username or is there another way to see that? |
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| 18:48.23 | RaymondX | nvidia-glx is missing |
| 18:48.27 | abrotman | in lenny? |
| 18:48.43 | abrotman | Magnetophon: --> Magnetophon (n=root@a82-95-56-99.adsl.xs4all.nl) has joined #debian |
| 18:48.50 | themill | Magnetophon: when you join the channel, we all see: Magnetophon has joined this channel (n=root@a82-95-56-99.adsl.xs4all.nl). |
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| 18:49.04 | RaymondX | i cant find nvidia-glx in etch |
| 18:49.06 | garo | I'm running lenny and after i upgraded my kernel (2.6.21->2.6.22) i lost my sound: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 18:49.20 | weggpod | abrotman, can you help me |
| 18:49.26 | abrotman | do what? |
| 18:49.33 | abrotman | RaymondX: you need contrib and non-free sources |
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| 18:49.45 | dkr | !tell weggpod about kp |
| 18:50.03 | themill | Magnetophon: That isn't actually your username, it's what's called your ident, but most of the time, the ident and username are the same unless you've deliberately change them. |
| 18:50.32 | garo | I noticed that I don't have the module snd-hda-codec anymore |
| 18:50.36 | enouf | xingu: i guess you mean like the 200K stuff beneath the /info and /object dirs (IIRC) like the .pack file |
| 18:50.45 | xingu | enouf: exactly so |
| 18:50.56 | enouf | xingu: thank you - carry on ;-) |
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| 18:51.04 | weggpod | dkr i know to make a kernel in .deb under debian |
| 18:51.16 | enouf | xingu: i will pass out now for a few - see you later gator |
| 18:51.17 | Magnetophon | themill: gaim calls it username. thanks anyway! |
| 18:51.26 | xingu | enouf: ciao |
| 18:51.27 | Magnetophon | Is there a way to compile a program on one etch system and install it on another? |
| 18:51.34 | weggpod | i just want a list of patchs applied to a precompiled debian kernel |
| 18:51.58 | dkr | weggpod: when you get the source, you get a patches dir |
| 18:52.00 | enouf | !pony xingu |
| 18:52.16 | xingu | woo! a real live pony! |
| 18:52.26 | dkr | !tell Magnetophon about source |
| 18:52.51 | dkr | Magnetophon: once you rebuild it,you have a shiny .deb you can scp to other machine and install |
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| 18:54.20 | Magnetophon | dkr: thanks! |
| 18:55.09 | cmanns | Hey guys, I got a problem with dns. I'm using opendns and I have high php execution which I traced to the dns of my mysql/memcache servers taking along time, it never cached I thought the os would.. so I installed pdnsd I think its called which checks localhost first? Now whenever the dns isnt cached the name resolve fails the first time causing things like sending mail via php to hang :( what should I do I've never had this issue w |
| 18:55.09 | cmanns | ith debian before |
| 18:55.38 | frog | hi, how can i do a screenshot (under metacity)? how can i assign it as a shortcut? |
| 18:56.03 | themill | !screenshot |
| 18:56.04 | dpkg | it has been said that screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 18:56.36 | jelly-home | cmanns: hm, would nscd help? |
| 18:56.59 | frog | aaa, ok, i wanna save it in a clipboard |
| 18:57.07 | dkr | screenshot is also push your "PrtScr" keyboard key in gnome |
| 18:57.34 | frog | but not to clipboard |
| 18:57.46 | dkr | I always confuse which bot commands work with which bots. :) |
| 18:57.49 | cmanns | hmm I'm using nscd on my other server cuz I couldn't find pdnsd I'll give it a try pdnsd seems fast but the first failed resolve sucks :( sendmail starts using like 10-20% cpu and such |
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| 18:58.07 | abrotman | dkr: you didn't use any command ? |
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| 18:58.57 | dkr | for some bots "is also" is all you need to add to a factoid |
| 18:59.20 | AreidY | Hi guys.. very newb question but i dont have a point to start. Where do i have to put a /bin/bash script that i can start it from everywhere? Could some !tell me pls? : ) |
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| 18:59.40 | amphi | AreidY: ~/bin ? |
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| 18:59.53 | AreidY | That easy?! :D |
| 19:00.09 | jelly-home | AreidY: it doesn't matter, as long as you update your own PATH variable |
| 19:00.09 | amphi | AreidY: or /usr/local/bin if you want other users to be able to run it also |
| 19:00.12 | themill | dkr: prefix that last statement with "dpkg: " or "!" and dpkg would have added that onto the end of the factoid. |
| 19:00.12 | ShiftOnYou | hey there |
| 19:00.36 | ShiftOnYou | is there any help channel or site fo installing a bf2 gameserver on debian etch==? |
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| 19:00.39 | dkr | ah, I was looking through help again. :) |
| 19:00.46 | AreidY | amphi: Thx, that was exactly what i meant. |
| 19:00.52 | dkr | dpkg: screenshot is also push your "PrtScr" keyboard key in gnome |
| 19:00.52 | dpkg | okay, dkr |
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| 19:01.00 | themill | !win dkr |
| 19:01.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, dkr! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:01.02 | drcode | hi all |
| 19:01.10 | drcode | is there light ver of debian |
| 19:01.16 | drcode | like ubuntu alternate? |
| 19:01.33 | jelly-home | drcode: yes. install just the base system. |
| 19:01.52 | steinchen | AreidY, or mkdir in your home, and set path with PATH="~/bin:${PATH}" .. |
| 19:01.56 | drcode | from regular debian? |
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| 19:02.45 | jelly-home | drcode: correct. that will install only the bare minimum. very light. (and not very usable ;-) |
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| 19:03.07 | dkr | drcode: yeah, just don't choose "desktop" or "web server" tasks during install |
| 19:03.12 | drcode | k |
| 19:03.14 | drcode | thanx |
| 19:03.18 | MrRoland | hello, any chance installing debian ( neinstall ) on an wireless laptop |
| 19:03.20 | MrRoland | ? :P |
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| 19:04.31 | drcode | what ver to download? |
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| 19:04.37 | drcode | all isos? |
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| 19:05.00 | drcode | there is dvd and cds |
| 19:05.04 | cmanns | jelly-home, how do I ensure nscd is working? |
| 19:05.40 | cmanns | google's not being much of a help :( |
| 19:05.47 | jelly-home | cmanns: install it? |
| 19:05.58 | MrRoland | I guess not |
| 19:06.00 | cmanns | I did, do I need to add anything to resolve.conf? |
| 19:06.07 | cmanns | erm resolv.conf lol |
| 19:06.12 | jelly-home | cmanns: nope |
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| 19:06.31 | dkr | drcode: netinst |
| 19:06.55 | abrotman | MrRoland: depends on the wifi card in it |
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| 19:07.18 | jelly-home | cmanns: you can run "nscd -g" and see whether there are any cache hitsw |
| 19:07.48 | MrRoland | abrotman it's Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
| 19:07.53 | cmanns | ahh |
| 19:07.57 | MrRoland | most common intel wireless card for laptops |
| 19:07.59 | cmanns | Thanks man php |
| 19:08.05 | cmanns | grr |
| 19:08.09 | cmanns | php is running great now |
| 19:08.15 | abrotman | MrRoland: no .. that requires non-free bits .. no wired LAN available ? |
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| 19:08.38 | MrRoland | abrotman I can do wired lan but that means for me to reconfigure alot of things |
| 19:09.35 | MrRoland | which dvd shalt I download for basic laptop use? I mean I can install wireless later, can I ? |
| 19:09.46 | drcode | any link? |
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| 19:10.19 | steinchen | who may help with mailman? i would like to modify the "To:" header, in order to use the recipient emailadress as the "To:" header - not the list@url adress |
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| 19:13.08 | jelly-home | steinchen: that would require Mailman to send a separate customized message for each recipient |
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| 19:13.29 | ShiftOnYou | what does it mean if a process under ps -ax is listed as stopped? |
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| 19:14.05 | jim | SIGSTOP was sent to it, and the effect of that signal was applied |
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| 19:14.28 | ShiftOnYou | hmmm ... ok |
| 19:14.39 | jim | something that sends SIGSTOP: ctrl-z |
| 19:15.21 | jelly-home | steinchen: I don't know whether this is possible without changing the code. #mailman might know more |
| 19:15.32 | ShiftOnYou | but that appears just after i started the process :/ |
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| 19:16.29 | steinchen | thanks.. tried there already ;) yet no reply :( |
| 19:16.32 | jim | ShiftOnYou: hmm, is there a log file associated with whatever it is you're trying to run? |
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| 19:16.40 | becki | hi. i have some problems compiling c++ programs using qt. i installed the qt-dev packages, qmake runs well but make give me errors. it says fr example "hallo.cpp:7: error: no matching function for call to ?QPushButton::QPushButton(const char [13])?". But i have got my program (a hello world program) from that hwoto: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/tutorial-t1.html and i think this program is correct (ok i had to write the headers with .h |
| 19:16.40 | becki | ). how could i get it work? perhaps a lib is missing or something |
| 19:16.59 | ShiftOnYou | i think not... but i can try to start it on a other way... |
| 19:17.06 | simonrvn | go debhelper |
| 19:17.25 | jim | what's ?QPushButton? |
| 19:17.38 | jim | why is there a ? before it? |
| 19:17.52 | maligor | unknown symbol? |
| 19:17.53 | becki | jim, where are "?" ? |
| 19:18.07 | becki | QPushButton::QPushButton(const char [13]) |
| 19:18.07 | steinchen | jelly-home, but mm sends single messages - if i can believe the logs and network traffic |
| 19:18.08 | jim | in the message you posted |
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| 19:18.28 | becki | a, seems like i've got the wron charset here... |
| 19:18.37 | maligor | didn't you have to convert the strings with something in qt |
| 19:18.39 | jim | oh, ok |
| 19:18.50 | jim | could it be ~? |
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| 19:19.03 | simonrvn | jim: it's the one marked "push only in case of emergency" |
| 19:19.23 | jim | oh, right, I pushed that one already... |
| 19:19.25 | jim | and it said |
| 19:19.29 | maligor | becki, try adding tr() around the const char string |
| 19:19.36 | jim | "NOT NOW STUPID, in case of emergency!" |
| 19:19.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:20.01 | jelly-home | steinchen: not here it doesn't :-) |
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| 19:20.14 | becki | maligor, ok, the rror is now smaller ;) |
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| 19:20.39 | ignu | Any suggestions?: I removed Nautilus and added Thunar. Before that my usb flash drive automatically mounted when I plugged it in. Now I cannot get it to mount. |
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| 19:20.44 | steinchen | jelly-home, how do you check that? |
| 19:20.48 | becki | a, not good. hallo.cpp:7: error: ?tr? was not declared in this scope |
| 19:21.27 | jelly-home | steinchen: looking at the smtp log |
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| 19:21.39 | jelly-home | steinchen: that is, /var/log/mailman/smtp |
| 19:21.40 | maligor | haven't used qt for ages, might be better to ask on some qt or programming channel |
| 19:22.02 | becki | kay. thank you anyway |
| 19:22.09 | jelly-home | steinchen: (my mailman isn't on Debian, so I'm just guessing the log path) |
| 19:22.17 | jim | becki: maybe utf-8 is what to use here |
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| 19:22.29 | jelly-home | !utf-8++ |
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| 19:23.03 | maligor | yeah, you can do cool symbols with utf-8, like radioactivity signs |
| 19:23.17 | becki | hehe |
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| 19:24.08 | jelly-home | maligor: hammer and sickle! |
| 19:24.24 | maligor | yeah, that too |
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| 19:25.48 | steinchen | jelly-home, ok thanks i checked postfix logs aswell so i was just wrong. |
| 19:26.19 | maligor | a rogue clone in utf-8 charset might make for extensive symbol use :P |
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| 19:27.32 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehe |
| 19:28.13 | ignu | any help for a relative noob having trouble mounting a usb flash drive? |
| 19:28.31 | simonrvn | like a recent changelog entry said "playing with UTF-8 gadgets" |
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| 19:29.00 | kjs | Is there an easy way i can create a user that has read access to the whole system? this is for backups. |
| 19:29.22 | kjs | or some how alow them read access to files not owned by them? |
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| 19:29.53 | simonrvn | ignu: usbmount package |
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| 19:30.59 | ignu | simonrvn: thx... I'll try that now. I guess it'll be 'aptitude install usbmount' |
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| 19:31.44 | jrails | I just need to add the testing repos to /etc/apt/sources.list .... but I'm not having a lot of luck |
| 19:32.02 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 19:35.18 | steinchen | jelly-home, the smtpds log shows them as outgoing mails.. and they are sent as single mails |
| 19:35.29 | wols_ | can someone tell me if default debian smb.conf has socket options = set? |
| 19:35.39 | wols_ | mine had |
| 19:36.04 | wols_ | and apparently this leads to slow speeds and a non saturated network link |
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| 19:37.19 | abrotman | wols_: i would try to tell you .. but i wrote mine by hand :) |
| 19:37.35 | becki | (ok, thanks... it runs :)) |
| 19:37.51 | jrails | how do I add lenny to my aptitude sources .... /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:37.52 | Christoph_vW | I am trying to get vnc access to my debian box - but all I get is a black screen :/ |
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| 19:38.00 | Christoph_vW | any ideas? |
| 19:38.02 | abrotman | !tell jrails about etch->lenny |
| 19:38.22 | Christoph_vW | at first try I got an error msg in x-mode - something with kdeinit failed |
| 19:38.43 | jrails | abrotman, ? |
| 19:38.52 | abrotman | jrails: see what the bot told you |
| 19:38.58 | abrotman | jrails: why are you trying to move to lenny ? |
| 19:38.59 | Christoph_vW | debian 4, x11vnc |
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| 19:39.23 | jrails | abrotman, I don't want everything from lenny ... just ruby1.8.6 |
| 19:39.27 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:39.53 | jim | then the best thing to do is build the package yourself or get it from backports if it's there |
| 19:39.57 | abrotman | !tell jrails about simple sid bacport |
| 19:39.59 | abrotman | !tell jrails about simple sid backport |
| 19:40.04 | jelly-home | jrails: there's no easy way to get "only X" from testing |
| 19:40.28 | jelly-home | !info ruby etch-backports |
| 19:40.35 | abrotman | jrails: but for something like that .. you'll likely end up wanting tons of other stuff |
| 19:40.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: not there |
| 19:41.01 | abrotman | and dpkg still doesn't know about etch-backports |
| 19:41.09 | jrails | jrails, a bot isn't telling me anything |
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| 19:41.32 | rjp | jrails, is getting the src from their website too hard for you? |
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| 19:41.59 | jrails | abrotman, I compiled ruby1.8.6 from source |
| 19:42.03 | abrotman | ok ... |
| 19:42.16 | abrotman | jrails: i smell a but coming |
| 19:42.16 | jrails | rjp, but now I neede ruby1.8-dev |
| 19:42.47 | jrails | I want http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ruby1.8-dev |
| 19:42.49 | CharminTheMoose | 491kB/s is what apt-get is showing even though I only have a 210kb/s download limit and i'm using the wondershaper script to cap my download to 100kb/s. why can apt-get be ignoring the values set by wondershaper? |
| 19:43.07 | rjp | !install package | jrails |
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| 19:43.24 | ignu | I did 'aptitude install usbmount' and couldn't mount it. Then as an additional noob effort, I ran 'updatedb' and even shut the computer down and still couldn't mount the usb flash drive... I get 'Failed to mount "sda1". mount: can't find /media/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab.' |
| 19:44.07 | rjp | jrails, grab the *-dev and do dpkg -i *-dev as root |
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| 19:44.36 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: it can't |
| 19:45.05 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-home, so what, wondershaper is b0rked? |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: is that sustained ? |
| 19:45.17 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman, nope |
| 19:45.27 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: dunno, works fine here. Which kernel? |
| 19:45.31 | CharminTheMoose | it goes down to the 80kb/s then. |
| 19:45.41 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-home, a custom. :-P |
| 19:45.48 | jelly-home | version? |
| 19:45.50 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: the measuring bit isn't always right .. i've done apt downloads over a 56k modem .. sometimes it would report stuff like 10kbps |
| 19:46.00 | CharminTheMoose | 2.6.23.12 |
| 19:46.10 | jrails | rjp, is that a .deb file? |
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| 19:46.13 | wols_ | abrotman: I did a test socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 gives about 50% link utilization and is VERY erratic |
| 19:46.18 | wols_ | ups and downs from 40-60 |
| 19:46.26 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: I'm on 2.6.23.9 and wondershaper works fine |
| 19:46.31 | wols_ | no socket options at all gives me 60-70% and quite linear |
| 19:46.44 | rjp | jrails, it's a debian package |
| 19:46.47 | Christoph_vW | got kde running now - but it is somehow fusked up |
| 19:46.52 | wols_ | so the verdict is clear. no socket options for me |
| 19:46.54 | Christoph_vW | no startmenu and no window captions |
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| 19:47.05 | abrotman | wols_: i wonder what the default is if you don't have the option listed at all |
| 19:47.20 | simonrvn | wondershaper is cool. i took its script and made it into an init script |
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| 19:47.29 | wols_ | I had the option and my smb.conf says I should use it "on Linux systems" |
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| 19:47.48 | CharminTheMoose | also jelly-home and abrotman fyi, oddly enough, whenever I do download stuff, It appears to also mess up my brother's wireless download speeds, basically giving him pings of 300ms which is baaad |
| 19:47.51 | rjp | jrails, heh.. i read that as 'what' is .deb file. yes. install that. |
| 19:48.07 | CharminTheMoose | as if it's sucking up the entire 210kb/s.. |
| 19:48.07 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: you've set your limits too high, then |
| 19:48.50 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: for my 2016/256 kbps line, I need to set "wondershaper eth0 1700 200" to get reasonable pings |
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| 19:49.21 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-home, shouldn't 1000 700 specify 100kb/s download and 7kb/s upload? |
| 19:49.28 | simonrvn | i use the htb one |
| 19:49.49 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: both values are kb afaik? |
| 19:50.07 | simonrvn | had more consistent behaviour for me |
| 19:50.10 | jelly-home | that is, kbps. kilobitspersecond |
| 19:50.15 | simonrvn | kb/s |
| 19:50.20 | CharminTheMoose | oh no |
| 19:50.24 | CharminTheMoose | as in KB |
| 19:50.25 | CharminTheMoose | sorry |
| 19:50.33 | wols_ | stragenly my linux based avm router does a very good job. wondershaper didn't work as good tho better than nothing when my debian box was the router |
| 19:51.18 | CharminTheMoose | oops |
| 19:51.27 | jelly-home | I have a new router now that does its own shaping, to get voice in the same band, and it acts rather strange |
| 19:51.37 | CharminTheMoose | my startup script set my device to be '1000 70' |
| 19:51.44 | CharminTheMoose | :-P fail upload |
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| 19:52.04 | jrails | rjp, I seem to be having luck with "apt-get -t testing install ruby1.8-dev" after adding "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main" to my /etc/aptitude/sources.list |
| 19:52.14 | leonardo | command to install java is? |
| 19:52.33 | wols_ | jrails: how many other packages is that testing package dragging in? |
| 19:52.40 | wols_ | !install java |
| 19:52.40 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 19:52.42 | jelly-home | jrails: noone said it wouldn't work, but you will basically have half a system from testing and won't get support here |
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| 19:53.17 | simonrvn | brb, restarting x session |
| 19:53.22 | jrails | wols_, The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 19:53.22 | jrails | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.22 | jrails | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.22 | jrails | 13 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 to remove and 730 not upgraded. |
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| 19:53.35 | johmathe1 | hi guys |
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| 19:54.08 | wols_ | jrails: congratulations. you just broke your debian! and managed to get kicked. all in 5 minutes |
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| 19:54.12 | wols_ | jrails: congratulations. you just broke your debian! and managed to get kicked. all in 5 minutes |
| 19:54.24 | wols_ | jrails: great achievement |
| 19:54.38 | jrails | wols_, :( |
| 19:55.10 | johmathe1 | I'm looking for some help on postfix : I'm trying to avoid any bounce when a local filedelivery fails for a disk issue. I took a look to the local manpage, but I didn't found anything... |
| 19:55.23 | abrotman | a disk issue? |
| 19:55.28 | abrotman | and probably ask #postfix |
| 19:55.34 | wols_ | abrotman: "disk full" |
| 19:55.37 | johmathe1 | i tried but no one responded |
| 19:55.47 | johmathe1 | abrotman: or a nfs server is down |
| 19:55.49 | wols_ | johmathe1: if you silently discard mail then you lose mail |
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| 19:56.28 | johmathe1 | I would prefer to put it in a queue untill the disk issue is repaired |
| 19:56.29 | maffkev | hoi |
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| 19:56.34 | maffkev | have qeust |
| 19:56.39 | abrotman | wols_: if your disk is full .. mail isn't your major problem ? |
| 19:56.42 | jrails | wols_, am I beyond repair? |
| 19:56.43 | maffkev | how can i restart mysql |
| 19:56.48 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 19:56.52 | maffkev | ty |
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| 19:56.58 | johmathe1 | abrotman: no but I don't want the mail to be bounced |
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| 19:57.37 | abrotman | johmathe1: have a backup MX ? |
| 19:57.39 | johmathe1 | by the way a more global question would be to avoid any return to the user who sent the mail |
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| 19:58.01 | abhi | how can I use wget in apt-get to download files? |
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| 19:58.24 | johmathe1 | abrotman: it is not a regular mail server but just a backup mail server for mailing list archival purposes |
| 19:58.43 | Linuturk | where is the security mailing list for etch? |
| 19:58.48 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 19:58.49 | dpkg | dsa is, like, Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 19:59.02 | johmathe1 | and obviously I don't want the mail to be returned to all the ML if a backup fails for a while |
| 19:59.26 | Bushmills | johmathe1: mail should only bounce after 5 days or such. most sending smtp servers are set to retry for that period |
| 19:59.57 | Bushmills | johmathe1: but users will get a notification after usually 4 hours of failure to deliver |
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| 20:00.06 | johmathe1 | Bushmills: yes that would be perfect but when the directory for filedelivery doesn't exists, it's returned with a 550 error |
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| 20:00.38 | Bushmills | johmathe1: change to a different disk / directory |
| 20:00.53 | Bushmills | johmathe1: or shut down smtp |
| 20:01.21 | johmathe1 | yes but the failure can append at any time cause the destination is on nfs |
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| 20:01.34 | Bushmills | ah. |
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| 20:01.51 | Bushmills | that's probably what one has to live with when chosing such a setup |
| 20:02.06 | johmathe1 | 550 5.0.0 /my/path : ... Can't create output |
| 20:02.09 | Bushmills | maybe a different netwerk file system? |
| 20:02.20 | abhi | how can I use wget in apt-get to download files? |
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| 20:02.42 | tanner | does there exist a bootloader capable of booting ISO images? |
| 20:02.43 | johmathe1 | Bushmills: :-D |
| 20:03.12 | Bushmills | johmathe1: coda, maybe? |
| 20:03.20 | jelly-home | tanner: if you find one, please report |
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| 20:03.38 | tanner | :-\ |
| 20:03.49 | Bushmills | johmathe1: should be able to locally cache until remote server is available again, and sync then |
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| 20:04.23 | leonardo | what is the best free flash plugin? |
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| 20:04.29 | johmathe1 | Bushmills: I was just taking the filedelivery as example, I don't want any mail to be return to the end users |
| 20:04.34 | leonardo | as i use 64 bits |
| 20:04.36 | abrotman | leonardo: only one i know of .. gnash |
| 20:04.46 | abrotman | you can use adobe flash with nspluginwrapper |
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| 20:04.59 | leonardo | so with gnash i can see youtube videos |
| 20:05.12 | leonardo | yes but it's a hack |
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| 20:05.55 | abrotman | just like flash ? |
| 20:06.01 | Bushmills | johmathe1: ah. well. in that case I hope that my answer works for the example you gave. |
| 20:06.15 | leonardo | libswfdec |
| 20:06.19 | leonardo | i installed this |
| 20:06.27 | leonardo | and are able to open flash |
| 20:06.34 | amphi | leonardo: cvs gnash may support youtube by now, not sure - ask in #gnash, perhaps |
| 20:06.38 | leonardo | but you need to click on the banner to start |
| 20:06.48 | leonardo | ok will go there |
| 20:06.48 | Buzer | <tanner> does there exist a bootloader capable of booting ISO images? | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/grub_intro#comment-12900 |
| 20:06.49 | Bushmills | abrotman: grats to your dad./ |
| 20:06.50 | Buzer | maybe? |
| 20:06.55 | abrotman | Bushmills: ? |
| 20:06.59 | Bushmills | birthday? |
| 20:07.11 | abrotman | uh .. okay :) |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | it was yesterday |
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| 20:08.08 | Bushmills | ah. |
| 20:09.27 | tanner | Buzer: hmmm |
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| 20:11.06 | abrotman | xingu: you haven't packaged it ? |
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| 20:11.27 | xingu | pah, that's no excuse ;) |
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| 20:14.01 | jelly-home | Buzer: looks promising |
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| 20:16.41 | shad0w1e | hey, does it make sense that I cant install GRUB from a 32 bit live disc, onto a 64-bit userspace? |
| 20:17.04 | shad0w1e | aka. if i install grub from a 32bit livecd, will the 64bit OS boot? |
| 20:17.06 | abhi | how can I use wget in apt-get to download files? |
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| 20:18.12 | deoks | Anyone who have experiences using Intel X3100 (Intel GM965 chipset) with xinerama? Im trying to use both my external tft monitor and the monitor at my laptop |
| 20:19.02 | tanner | anyone know how to make a live cd persistent? |
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| 20:22.55 | alexIdoia | hi what is the name of the package equivalent to glibc-locales |
| 20:24.48 | xingu | heh, pretty impressive to see perl flinging the old teapot around with a fragment and vertex shader applied - at 0 cpu hit |
| 20:25.49 | Justin | alexIdoia: locales? |
| 20:26.05 | Justin | xingu: opengl does all the hard work |
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| 20:27.39 | xingu | Justin: yeah; but it's still neat to see |
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| 20:28.08 | Eulex | xingu, with a good opengl library the actual work done with perl approaches zero |
| 20:28.28 | ribnitz | hello there. |
| 20:28.31 | jim | info locales |
| 20:28.37 | jim | !info locales |
| 20:28.38 | xingu | Eulex: does nvidia's count? ;) |
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| 20:28.41 | jim_p | hi |
| 20:28.56 | ribnitz | xingu: depends on the card. |
| 20:29.07 | dpkg | locales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]), section libs, is standard. Version: 2.7-8 (sid), Packaged size: 4325 kB, Installed size: 11736 kB |
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| 20:32.44 | jim_p | I have the 2.6.22-3-686 kernel and i am about to install virtualbox on my pc. Do i need to install the virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-686 as well as the virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-486? |
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| 20:33.23 | Justin | jim_p: only the one that matches the kernel you are using |
| 20:35.02 | jim | jim_p: look at your uname -r |
| 20:35.16 | jim | wha'ts a virtualbox? |
| 20:35.25 | ribnitz | Since 2.6.23/2.6.24 one of my DVD drives no longer works; |
| 20:35.43 | jim_p | Justin: yes but apt also suggests installing the virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-3-486 AND linux-image-2.6.22-3-486!!! Note that i have linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 already installed and its sources |
| 20:35.45 | ribnitz | does not recognise media (if no media is in there) |
| 20:36.08 | jim_p | jim: uname -r = 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 20:36.09 | leonardo | strange but my gnash instalation from repositories doesn't have gnash-common |
| 20:36.19 | leonardo | and with you? |
| 20:36.25 | jim | jim_p: take a look at your ls /boot to see if you have -486 also installed |
| 20:36.31 | leonardo | i think has something wrong with the package |
| 20:36.37 | leonardo | i'm on lenny |
| 20:36.40 | jim | it's possible due to the installer |
| 20:36.47 | jelly-home | jim_p: suggests are not really relevant; you might want to build the modules with m-a instead |
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| 20:37.11 | jim_p | jim: only the -686 is installed and used |
| 20:37.40 | jim | especially if you built the kernel yourself... otherwise very good chance the -686 virtualbox modules will work |
| 20:37.50 | jim_p | brb go get sth to eat |
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| 20:38.36 | jim | where are the xeyes-like toys for kde? |
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| 20:38.50 | jim_p | jim: I am sure that the -686 modules will work!!! the thing is I dont want to install the -486 ones! |
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| 20:38.57 | jim_p | brb |
| 20:39.07 | nevyn | jim_p: there's an xeyes applet for kde |
| 20:39.25 | jim | yeah, that's probably what I want :) |
| 20:39.44 | jim | xeyes-kde-applet? |
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| 20:40.06 | jim | applet-kde-xeyes? |
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| 20:40.52 | jim | can we ever really know the names of packages given the names of their external source distributions? |
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| 20:41.21 | dondelelcaro | jim: generally, but there are exceptions |
| 20:41.41 | jim | how would they be known without asking a person? |
| 20:41.54 | dondelelcaro | asking apt-cache search? |
| 20:42.08 | dondelelcaro | if the upstream name isn't in the description or the actual name of the package, it's a bug. |
| 20:42.25 | jim | aha. so the exceptions are bugs. right? |
| 20:43.04 | jelly-home | unless it's "iceweasel" |
| 20:43.21 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: even iceweasel isn't an exception |
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| 20:43.42 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: "based on Mozilla" isn't really the upstream name of the app |
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| 20:44.05 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: "This browser is based on the Firefox source-code" |
| 20:44.07 | jelly-home | oh, the long description has Firefox |
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| 20:45.09 | dondelelcaro | jim: the exceptions I was really talking about are the cases where the package name isn't actually the upstream name; I'm not aware of any cases where the description doesn't mention the upstream name in those cases |
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| 20:46.18 | jim | cool :) |
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| 20:50.12 | jim | what would be really nice is to have a function (and its inverse) which takes the upstream name and outputs the debian package source name (since there could be many binaries based on one source) |
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| 20:55.33 | jim_p | so... how will i install the -686 modules for virtualbox WITHOUT installing the -486 ones? |
| 20:56.42 | Justin | jim_p: by not installing the 486 ones |
| 20:57.17 | jim_p | how? apt AUTOMATICALLY installs them! |
| 20:57.23 | jim | jim_p: it does? |
| 20:57.32 | jim_p | Justin: yes |
| 20:57.52 | jim | what happens when you remove the one you don't want after that? |
| 20:58.03 | jim_p | Justin: The follotin packets will be installed: |
| 20:58.03 | jim_p | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.03 | jim_p | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.09 | jim_p | sorry |
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| 20:58.25 | jim | hmm, wonder why it's doing that |
| 20:58.41 | jim | oic |
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| 20:58.45 | Justin | jim_p: what command did you run? |
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| 20:59.14 | jim_p | Justin: apt-get install virtualbox |
| 20:59.32 | Justin | jim_p: try apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-ose-moddules-`uname -r` |
| 20:59.35 | jim | so it's installng both the linux-image*-486 and the virtualbox*modules*-486 |
| 20:59.47 | jim_p | yes! |
| 20:59.49 | Justin | I think it's because it depends on ANY one of the module packages, but the 486 one is first |
| 21:00.04 | Justin | and you didn't tell it to install the 686 one, so it picked one on its own |
| 21:00.30 | Justin | so actually telling it to install the package you want makes it work, imagine that :) |
| 21:00.30 | jim | well notice it's also installing the image which is already installed (or is there a problem with that installation?) |
| 21:00.55 | jim_p | i also get the same result if i issue :apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-modules-686 |
| 21:00.55 | Justin | jim: it isn't doing that |
| 21:01.02 | jim | Justin: it should know based on the running kernel |
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| 21:01.06 | Justin | jim: should, yes |
| 21:01.08 | Justin | jim: doesn't |
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| 21:01.33 | jel | hi all. I'm logged into a remote server, that's suddenly spewing "input/output error" everywhere. ls is reporting it, for instance, and showing file permissions as ?????????. This is on a percraid 2/si controller, which I just added two drives to, today. Basic commands like dmesg are failing, so it's pretty unusable. Can't even reboot as shutdown and co give the same i/o error. Any ideas? Can I reboot somehow, perhaps forcing fsck? modify something in |
| 21:01.33 | jel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.36 | kyusswren | is it possible to use DirectX in linux? |
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| 21:01.46 | jim | with all the effort debian developers go through, and then after that toot their own horn, get arrogant and etc, THIS SHOULD WORK. |
| 21:01.53 | jel | Also got a bus error message during /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop |
| 21:02.00 | jim | I'm sorry, but there is no excuse |
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| 21:02.18 | Justin | jim: file a bug |
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| 21:02.50 | Justin | aptitude might be smart enough to install the right package, apt-get clearly isn't |
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| 21:03.02 | Justin | jel: sysrq maybe |
| 21:03.14 | jim | consider this my filing; I shouldn't need to do anything further. I don't really want to deal with maints |
| 21:03.15 | jim_p | i will give it a shot |
| 21:03.16 | jel | Justin: over ssh? Can that be done? |
| 21:03.18 | jim_p | please wait |
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| 21:03.29 | Justin | jel: /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 21:03.39 | kyusswren | Is it possible to install directX on linux? |
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| 21:03.45 | Justin | jel: you can echo letters there and I think it has the same effect |
| 21:03.51 | Justin | jel: so s then u then b should reboot |
| 21:03.55 | Justin | kyusswren: wine |
| 21:04.02 | jel | Justin: ok, thanks :) |
| 21:04.29 | jel | Justin: one at a time? One per line, or a "sub"? |
| 21:04.40 | jim | directx is a microsoft thing, that runs under microsoft software and which supports software written for microsoft OSes... |
| 21:04.47 | kyusswren | I meant like natively so that you could program an SDL app to use direct 3d |
| 21:05.01 | Justin | jel: dunno, one at a time should work |
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| 21:05.30 | jim | I'm guessing that microsoft considers it proprietary... afaic, they can have it |
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| 21:06.21 | maligor | yeah, wine just supports a api that happens to be rather similar, but in no way is it DirectX |
| 21:06.30 | jel | lol... well, it's either rebooting, or now it's really screwed :) |
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| 21:07.04 | Justin | jel: did you get up to b? b is what reboots |
| 21:07.13 | jel | Justin: yeah :) |
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| 21:07.24 | jel | Justin: seemed to do the right things along the way too |
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| 21:07.46 | ks | how do I set variable, so that it is available after reboot ? |
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| 21:07.58 | jel | ks: edit /etc/environment? |
| 21:08.22 | ks | jel thanks |
| 21:08.32 | maligor | kyusswren, what would be the point using SDL with Direct3D? |
| 21:08.59 | maligor | kyusswren, if you can use Direct3D, you can use it's own bindings |
| 21:09.06 | jel | wow... it came back :D |
| 21:09.22 | jim | jel: lucky you :) |
| 21:09.27 | kyusswren | http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article2249.asp |
| 21:09.31 | Justin | jel: heh, there is a sysrqd that lets you telnet in and enter commands |
| 21:09.35 | kyusswren | I don't know, but there is a nice article on it |
| 21:09.50 | Justin | jel: though I accidentially typed 'quit' or 'exit' when using it once, and it doesn't understand that :) |
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| 21:10.18 | maligor | kyusswren, heh, someone doesn't like directx's glue I guess |
| 21:11.18 | jel | Hmm. Everything looks fine now. Interesting. |
| 21:11.54 | Justin | jel: I've had a perc shit itself once |
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| 21:12.11 | Justin | jel: one drive was having problems and it knocked the whole controller offline |
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| 21:12.30 | Justin | jel: the box had 2G of ram though so most of the binaries were cached, but nothing else worked |
| 21:12.57 | jel | Justin: a quick google revealed some perc horror stories like that. Hard to believe a raid controller can't handle bad drives. |
| 21:12.58 | jel | :( |
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| 21:14.08 | jel | But it might be the case here too. One of the two I installer was a new drive for the array; other was an older one for less important stuff. Colleague gave it to me, and assured me it was OK, but I guess it wasn't in use for a reason. |
| 21:14.13 | jelly-home | there's raid controllers and raid controllers |
| 21:14.31 | jel | yep, guess so. |
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| 21:14.45 | jel | Well, it's booted up with a newer kernel now, so maybe that'll help. |
| 21:15.02 | jel | I see it's also using write-caching, so I'll turn that off |
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| 21:15.41 | drwahl | i'm trying to fix the ncurses errors that 'screen' is causing. the most that i know so far is that printenv differs from a non-screened term and a sreened term. anyone know what i need to change to fix this? |
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| 21:16.43 | xuser | what is usually the name of a serial port in Debian? |
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| 21:17.01 | jim_p | what is that {a} here "libxalan110{a} libxerces27{a}"? |
| 21:17.28 | jim_p | i issued a :aptitude install virtualbox |
| 21:17.57 | deoks | I need a good resource of information about using an external tft monitor simultainously with the integrated lcd monitor on my laptop. Any suggestions? It works, but not exactly as I want. |
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| 21:18.24 | bujin | hi |
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| 21:18.45 | mick_home | is there a way to view a filesystem as a tree? (like how ps axf works) -- i'm rearranging stuff and i'd like to know how everything branches out atm |
| 21:18.47 | bujin | a question why there is no package of autopackage in the stable sources ? |
| 21:18.57 | bujin | how can i install autopackage in debian? |
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| 21:19.31 | mick_home | i don't need the whole "/" -- i just have a subdirectory that i'd like to see everything under |
| 21:19.38 | jelly-home | jim_p: installed {a}utomatically, perhaps? Do the docs say nothing? |
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| 21:19.54 | mick_home | graphical or not -- i just want to see the tree and print it :) |
| 21:20.07 | kLinGo | mick_home: you can try the tree view in mc |
| 21:20.15 | drwahl | mick_home: sudo apt-get install tree |
| 21:20.34 | drwahl | then run the command "tree" from the dir. you want to see displayed |
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| 21:21.24 | mick_home | sweet -- thanks |
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| 21:23.10 | anna | anyone: if anyone in here likes a particular graphical program for unpacking tar.gz files, which one would you recomend? |
| 21:23.40 | Roman123 | I'm running debian etch and my apache seems to ignore the "charset-declaration" of a website. Apache seems to always deliver UTF-8. "AddDefaultCharset Off" does not seem to work too. Is the problem related to the change of the standard charset in apache to utf8? |
| 21:24.12 | xuser | anna: DEs do that. |
| 21:24.14 | JasonF | Roman123: are these pages php or perl or the like? |
| 21:24.30 | JasonF | Roman123: a lot of times php will have a default charset |
| 21:24.32 | Roman123 | no, I'm trying plain html |
| 21:24.36 | JasonF | hrm. |
| 21:24.42 | JasonF | Roman123: check your vhost file configurations |
| 21:25.06 | Roman123 | the same site works on my gentoo box but it does not at this (new) debian box. |
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| 21:25.25 | JasonF | Debian boxes are never new ;) |
| 21:25.28 | Roman123 | JasonF: there is nothing important at the vhosts hilfe |
| 21:25.45 | JasonF | Roman123: rgrep -i 'utf' /etc/apache2/* |
| 21:25.49 | Roman123 | well, the gentoo box is 2 years old |
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| 21:25.59 | JasonF | Roman123: nothing? |
| 21:26.22 | kLinGo | Roman123: also check you dont have any UTF8 chars in your html, or, if the file isnt in UTF8 anyway |
| 21:26.36 | Roman123 | oh, what the hell |
| 21:26.39 | Roman123 | /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset:AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 |
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| 21:27.10 | Roman123 | why is this in conf.d |
| 21:27.10 | JasonF | Roman123: grep is your friend :) |
| 21:27.10 | JasonF | Roman123: that's certainly not a debian default thing iirc |
| 21:27.23 | JasonF | Roman123: I am mistaken, it must be |
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| 21:27.46 | ignu | I'm not diggin' the xterm terminal ... I kind of like gnome terminal ... any other recommendations? |
| 21:28.02 | JasonF | ignu: eterm aterm |
| 21:28.05 | JasonF | there are lots |
| 21:28.13 | JasonF | plus xterm is customizable by putting stuff in .xsession |
| 21:28.17 | JasonF | with colors, fonts, etc |
| 21:28.20 | jelly-home | rxvt-unicode-lite |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | ignu: gnome-terminal ? |
| 21:28.34 | ignu | JasonF: thx |
| 21:28.42 | JasonF | ignu: np |
| 21:29.03 | Roman123 | JasonF: Does not fix the problem :( |
| 21:29.28 | JasonF | Roman123: you changed that to what you want your default charset to be and it didn't fix it? |
| 21:29.42 | JasonF | you restarted apache, I presume? apache2ctl graceful |
| 21:30.20 | Roman123 | JasonF: I removed the file conf.d/charset |
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| 21:30.44 | chandor | Roman123: don't forget to clear the browser cache |
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| 21:31.42 | bujin | hu |
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| 21:32.07 | Roman123 | Now it seems to work |
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| 21:33.42 | mick_home | thanks again drwahl |
| 21:33.48 | mick_home | and kLinGo :) |
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| 21:35.56 | bujin | a question im tryin to configure my atheros wireless network and i dont see an ath entry in my dmesg why? |
| 21:36.09 | abergman | anybody who can share a sources.list for etch? |
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| 21:38.07 | bujin | hi |
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| 21:38.44 | jim | abergman: mirror lists are on www.debian.org |
| 21:38.52 | bujin | a question why i can see my wireless card when i do a ifconfig or iwlist |
| 21:38.53 | k-os | i was doing an upgrade, but the whole process stopped setting ssl-cert. can i close the terminal and upgrade again? |
| 21:39.12 | jim | abergman: what country are you in |
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| 21:39.36 | ignu | I did 'aptitude install eterm' ... it appeared to have installed it, but I can't figure out how to run it |
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| 21:39.47 | ignu | I did 'aptitude install eterm' ... it appeared to have installed it, but I can't figure out how to run it |
| 21:39.54 | abergman | jim: sweden |
| 21:40.10 | ignu | oops, sorry for double entering my message :( |
| 21:40.29 | jim | find a sweden mirror :) |
| 21:40.35 | xuser | TPB |
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| 21:41.51 | DexTer` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.00 | DexTer` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.03 | DexTer` | sry :)) |
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| 21:42.08 | DexTer` | worong channel :) |
| 21:42.21 | jim | DexTer`: say it isn't so! |
| 21:42.22 | Getty | is there a special channel for the xen front, or just asking here should be fine? i'm a bit confused how i could now best get the testing xen kernel fitting to the 3.2 packages |
| 21:42.58 | DexTer` | what jim ?? |
| 21:43.43 | jim | that the channel is worong! |
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| 21:44.17 | asarch | What do I need to encode MP3 files with GNOME Sound Juicer? |
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| 21:44.55 | DexTer` | :)) |
| 21:46.21 | jim | here's a mirror close to you |
| 21:46.30 | jim | abergman |
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| 21:47.01 | Getty | i get wild... i want to run xen on my nano-itx :) |
| 21:47.06 | jim | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:47.29 | jim | put DAT in yo sources.list and smoke it! |
| 21:47.35 | abergman | jim: thx! |
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| 21:47.46 | jim | welcome. |
| 21:47.48 | jim | btw... |
| 21:47.59 | jim | ftp.COUNTRYCODE.debian.org |
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| 21:48.52 | dutche- | I installed subversion in debian and subversion-tools but there's no hook-script hot-backup.py, and it should be there. Does anybody knows if Debian has something special with it? |
| 21:49.18 | asarch | Nevermind, I find it: gst-plugins0.8-lame |
| 21:50.04 | dondelelcaro | dutche-: it's called svn-hot-backup |
| 21:50.15 | dondelelcaro | dutche-: dpkg -L subversion-tools; will help you. |
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| 21:54.25 | dutche- | dondelelcaro, thanks man |
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| 21:54.40 | dondelelcaro | dutche-: np |
| 21:54.55 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one find out which application is either issueing or which driver is accessing interrupt, say interrupt 10 |
| 21:55.27 | AbsintheSyringe | is there any way to combine nvidia ati support as modules, want to just get vesa and vega as compiled in, except recompiling whole kernel all over again? |
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| 21:56.31 | Justin | thelostbutler: cat /proc/interrupts? |
| 21:56.54 | dondelelcaro | AbsintheSyringe: uh... nvidia and ati are totally separate, but yes, you compile them as modules. Debian's kernel already has the ones in the tree compiled, and you can build the proprietary ones using the nvidia-kernel packages. |
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| 21:57.33 | thelostbutler | Justin: there was no info on irq 10 on the system i am looking at |
| 21:57.44 | thelostbutler | Justin: in /proc/interrupts |
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| 21:59.34 | whitehat | can anyone recommend a reasonable portknocking daemon/client |
| 22:00.06 | AbsintheSyringe | dondelelcaro, no, listen to this. when I turn on my computer, after grub it takes some 10seconds to start booting so I can see services and all that, because I set vga=791 in grub, to change resolution, but it's figuring this out as framebuffer |
| 22:00.12 | AbsintheSyringe | so I figured to just leave vga and vesa compiled in kernel, but exclude nvidia and ati support by compiling it as modules |
| 22:00.20 | AbsintheSyringe | is there a way to do that, except recompiling kernel |
| 22:01.49 | jel | white: isn't there one called knockd in debian? Is it broken somehow? |
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| 22:02.50 | ManuP | i need some help with bluetoot on hp nx6325. which programs do i need? modprobe bluetooth works so far. |
| 22:03.16 | whitehat | jel: yes. you are correct. thank you. have you used it? |
| 22:03.24 | beardy | AbsintheSyringe: Use vga=ask too, so you more easily can test. |
| 22:03.24 | ManuP | hcitool scan says, that i have no such device :( |
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| 22:03.59 | dante_2core | ManuP, |
| 22:04.04 | Getty | ok then i got another question, some chance to get the 2.6.23 kernel to testing? |
| 22:04.14 | dante_2core | what kind of bluetooth adaptor do you have? |
| 22:04.17 | dante_2core | what does lspci say? |
| 22:04.19 | dante_2core | (pastebin) |
| 22:04.39 | dante_2core | Getty, I'm on testing, and... I have 2.6.24 |
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| 22:04.47 | ManuP | dante_2core, i think i have an integrated bluetooth in my broadcom-wlan-card. |
| 22:04.48 | AbsintheSyringe | beardy, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html ? |
| 22:04.54 | Getty | dante_2core: custom made, eh? |
| 22:05.00 | dante_2core | Getty, no, package |
| 22:05.04 | Getty | where? |
| 22:05.09 | dante_2core | lemme see... |
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| 22:05.16 | Getty | gimme your sources.list, gimme wareZ ;) |
| 22:05.21 | dante_2core | (it's on my notebook which I have not booted yet, brb booting it) |
| 22:05.26 | dante_2core | should be in the normal repo |
| 22:05.26 | Getty | thx |
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| 22:05.47 | AbsintheSyringe | beardy, or just add vga=ask and grub-update see what it offers me? |
| 22:05.53 | Getty | nope |
| 22:05.56 | ManuP | dante_2core, my lspci: http://pastebin.ca/911733 |
| 22:05.57 | dante_2core | Getty, aptitude search 2.6.24 - tell me if it says anything |
| 22:06.14 | onur | Hi. I am trying to compile a program. When i do ./configure It's saying: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables What can i do? |
| 22:06.15 | Getty | it says anything aehm nothing :) |
| 22:06.28 | Getty | ftp.de.debian.org |
| 22:06.47 | dante_2core | Getty, what's your /etc/debian_version? |
| 22:06.50 | dkr | onur: aptitude install build-essential |
| 22:06.52 | dante_2core | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:06.55 | Getty | lenny/sid |
| 22:07.07 | onur | 5~build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 22:07.22 | onur | dkr: i think i need my unstable kernel's headers |
| 22:07.35 | dante_2core | Getty, you see, I don't like giving my sources.list as a whole because I have tons of sources, that conflict, if not commented or uncommented the right way. |
| 22:07.37 | Getty | sources.list has testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:07.39 | Getty | apt-get update (fresh install yesterday with stable then dist-upgrade) |
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| 22:07.44 | dante_2core | wait, i'll drop you the line you need |
| 22:07.52 | dante_2core | Getty, ManuP, brb |
| 22:07.53 | Getty | dante_2core: thats what i need :) nothing more |
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| 22:07.56 | Getty | thx |
| 22:07.57 | dkr | onur: the unstable release is not stable? shocker. :) |
| 22:08.05 | ManuP | k |
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| 22:08.30 | jim_p | hi! |
| 22:08.34 | onur | dkr: I am using debian stable but my kernel from debian unstable :) |
| 22:08.37 | mrcheeks | I have an issue with exim4, there is a file called exim4 which I cannot delete. rm: cannot remove `/etc/exim4': Invalid argument |
| 22:08.55 | mrcheeks | it's like the file doesn't even exists... |
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| 22:10.04 | mrcheeks | I can't find a way to install or remove exim4. Anyone? |
| 22:10.25 | jel | whitehat: sorry, was away for a sec there. No, never used it. I know some people who find port knocking useful, and I presume that's what they use as they're mostly debian folk, but I've never asked them. It's a simple enough concept, so implementation shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 22:11.11 | abrotman | mrcheeks: why are you trying to remove that ? |
| 22:11.17 | whitehat | jel: np. yes. concept is simple |
| 22:11.38 | jim_p | I just installed virtualbox-ose and i get an error. I dont mind that. It seems that i need to get the proper virtualbox package from Innotek, BUT inside the repo the only versions that exist are for 3 ubuntu versions, debian etch and xandros. If i install the etch one , will i run into trouble? |
| 22:11.41 | jel | mrcheeks: if you can't remove it, something needs an mta. you can replace it with postfix or some other mta, or some very simple replacement like ssmtp, maybe. |
| 22:11.54 | mrcheeks | thanks jel |
| 22:11.54 | dante_2core | Getty, architecture? |
| 22:12.04 | dante_2core | ManuP, does the network chip work? |
| 22:12.06 | mrcheeks | abrotman: because the upgrade failed, leaving me with exim4 issues |
| 22:12.23 | jel | mrcheeks: or you can find out what needs it, and remove that. |
| 22:12.25 | Getty | dante_2core: i386 |
| 22:12.31 | abrotman | mrcheeks: aptitude reinstall exim4 ? |
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| 22:13.05 | dante_2core | Getty, you mean i686? or real i386? :D |
| 22:13.28 | Getty | no no :) 32bit VIA 1GHz |
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| 22:13.34 | Getty | dont know should be 686 |
| 22:13.34 | Getty | right |
| 22:13.35 | Getty | sorry |
| 22:13.35 | mrcheeks | ~pastebin |
| 22:13.36 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 22:13.36 | ManuP | dante_2core, yes, it does. it is somehow awkward because it doesnt work when i resume from suspend... but i rebooted my machine just 5 minuites ago :) |
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| 22:13.48 | Getty | was choosing debian architecture in brain ;) |
| 22:13.50 | jim | !eeente3eerrr |
| 22:13.52 | dante_2core | ManuP, suspend thing -> just reload the modules |
| 22:14.31 | mrcheeks | abrotman: here's a log http://pastebin.ca/911750 |
| 22:14.33 | jim | Getty: compilers work best on i386 arch (as compared to amd64) |
| 22:14.46 | Getty | jim: hehe :) |
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| 22:14.49 | ManuP | dante_2core, oh, didnt try yet. only tryed with ifup/down thing. |
| 22:14.52 | mrcheeks | jel:I don't see how to purge or reinstall it or uninstall it... |
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| 22:15.08 | whitehat | offtopic. anyone know of something to parse skype chat logs |
| 22:15.21 | ManuP | dante_2core, i installed some bluez-applications and gnome-vfs-obexftp. but still bluetooth doesnt work |
| 22:15.54 | jim | Getty: but they're working on it; pretty soon all packages will be compilable for amd64 |
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| 22:16.05 | dcsimon | how does one go about using the sata/pata for ide drives? |
| 22:16.14 | jim | think he was a pim_p? |
| 22:16.32 | dante_2core | Getty, got mine from... deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ unstable main |
| 22:16.35 | dcsimon | (i may have my terminology wrong there) |
| 22:16.47 | jel | mrcheeks: try apt-get install --reinstall exim4-config. If that doesn't work, try dpkg -i on the exim4-config package in /var/cache/apt/ |
| 22:16.54 | dante_2core | Getty, linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 22:17.04 | mrcheeks | jel:that's what I tried, it didn't work |
| 22:17.08 | mrcheeks | I'll try again |
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| 22:17.28 | jim | the --reinstall can't be between install and exim4-config |
| 22:17.30 | dante_2core | ManuP, wait... what does hcitool dev output? pastebin |
| 22:17.41 | Getty | oh unstable.... |
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| 22:17.46 | Getty | then i must do pinning.... |
| 22:17.56 | mrcheeks | jim: I get the error unable to stat `./etc/exim4' (which I was about to install): Invalid argument |
| 22:17.57 | dante_2core | Getty, oh wait, but I have lenny/sid too in debian_version |
| 22:17.58 | jel | right, it's been a while since I had to do that. |
| 22:18.15 | Getty | dante_2core: then you just destroyed your debian ;) |
| 22:18.26 | mrcheeks | jim:while try dpkg -i exim4-config_4.69-2_all.deb |
| 22:18.28 | ManuP | dante_2core, ahm.. it outputs nothing expect "Devices:" |
| 22:18.34 | dante_2core | Getty, don't think so - I used that mixture of unstable/testing for long now |
| 22:18.48 | dante_2core | Getty, multiple boxes, lots of updates, all works flawlessly |
| 22:18.53 | jim | mrcheeks: you want to redo the whole config? |
| 22:19.05 | ignu | Is it simple enough to add a launcher to the gnome-panel from a terminal? |
| 22:19.13 | mrcheeks | jim:I just want it to install. I don't really use exim4 |
| 22:19.19 | Getty | yeah but its not the clean way i would suppose... |
| 22:19.20 | mrcheeks | whatever works is fine to me |
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| 22:19.36 | Getty | i guess i reinstall with stable |
| 22:19.38 | dante_2core | ManuP, then your bluetooth stuff is not correctly loaded yet anyway - the device is not seen |
| 22:19.39 | abrotman | mrcheeks: mkdir /etc/exim4/ ? |
| 22:19.44 | jel | mrcheeks: you could also try just doing mkdir /etc/exim4. Remove that if it doesn't help though, as it might screw up the install later |
| 22:19.56 | mrcheeks | abrotman: it is telling me that the file doesn't exists |
| 22:20.01 | dante_2core | Getty, well, we can't talk about clean anyway, because I'm using non-free stuff too and external sources... so why bother |
| 22:20.10 | abrotman | mrcheeks: i realize that .. mkdir will make it |
| 22:20.14 | jel | mrcheeks: he's telling you to make it exist :) |
| 22:20.21 | mrcheeks | for example mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/exim4': Invalid argument |
| 22:20.23 | ManuP | dante_2core, okay. how do i enable it? bluetooth, rfcomm, l2cap ist loaded |
| 22:20.37 | abrotman | it is 755 root:root |
| 22:20.41 | dante_2core | ManuP, wait, lemme see what modules I have loaded for bluetooth stuff to work. |
| 22:20.46 | abrotman | mrcheeks: do you have a /etc/ at all ? |
| 22:20.52 | mrcheeks | abrotman: yes I do |
| 22:21.12 | mrcheeks | I didn't reboot, didn't have a kernel issue, so the filesystem should be clean |
| 22:21.16 | dante_2core | ManuP, note: my bluetooth _only_ works if the wireless lan switch is turned on, my hp notebook does that hardware-ish |
| 22:22.15 | ManuP | dante_2core, oh, my wlan-button is on, too. it is just a button, no switch... so i dont know if wlan is activated by hardware... |
| 22:22.54 | dante_2core | ManuP, if wlan works, it's activated :P anyway if hcitool dev does not show any devices, then you don't need to bother with applications such as gnome assistants - bluetooth is not working on a lot lower level, look for that |
| 22:23.00 | dante_2core | what did you say was your chipset? |
| 22:23.33 | ManuP | dante_2core, a broadcom... wlan is bcm43xx stuff. |
| 22:23.45 | ManuP | bcm4312 |
| 22:23.53 | dante_2core | ManuP, and what's your notebook serial number? |
| 22:23.55 | abrotman | mrcheeks: you could touch /forcefsck and double check |
| 22:24.12 | ManuP | dante_2core, you mean model number? |
| 22:24.27 | ManuP | dante_2core, nx6325 |
| 22:25.31 | dante_2core | ManuP, ubuntu detects it, so it works in linux (their page told me) - now let's find out how. you have your wlan card modules loaded, right? bluetooth and rfcomm too |
| 22:25.38 | Agiofws | is anyone working on cairo ? |
| 22:26.04 | mrcheeks | brb rebooting |
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| 22:27.08 | ManuP | so, what do you mean with "how wlan modules loaded"? |
| 22:27.38 | dante_2core | ManuP, the modules needed for your card, bm<something> you said before |
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| 22:27.57 | jim | !anyone |
| 22:27.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:28.01 | ManuP | dante_2core, ah, it is bcm43xx |
| 22:28.15 | ManuP | modprobe bcm43xx .. but it happens automatically |
| 22:28.20 | ManuP | at startup i think |
| 22:28.35 | dante_2core | ManuP, bcm43xx it was. try n' reload both of them (modprobe -r <modules>; modprobe <modules>) and then look at dmesg | tail output |
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| 22:29.13 | ManuP | dante_2core, wlan-led gone off at remove :) |
| 22:29.19 | dante_2core | ManuP, ^^ |
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| 22:30.40 | jim | is there a dns server that has an easy way to set up fwd and rev zones? this would be for an internal net, the dns won't be listening to the "rest of the internet" |
| 22:31.00 | ManuP | dante_2core, http://pastebin.ca/911779 |
| 22:31.03 | jim | a nice gui edit thingy would be nice |
| 22:31.04 | abrotman | bind ? |
| 22:31.09 | abrotman | !guismite jim |
| 22:31.09 | dpkg | Adds 3438 widgets to jim, and replaces nice text interface with mouse-only windoze-style GUI |
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| 22:31.17 | abrotman | close enough |
| 22:31.24 | ManuP | dante_2core, i removed bcm43xx and bluetooth, and added them again |
| 22:31.40 | abrotman | oh go figure .. raf256 made it .. no wonder it doesn't work right |
| 22:31.51 | jim | what can I say... I'm lazy :P |
| 22:32.05 | dante_2core | ManuP, still no devices at hcitool dev? |
| 22:32.06 | ManuP | dante_2core, hmm... hcitool dev still doesnt output anything |
| 22:32.13 | dante_2core | bah |
| 22:32.24 | dante_2core | ManuP, stupid question but... is bluetooth enabled in bios? |
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| 22:33.01 | ManuP | dante_2core, dont think that i can choose if i want bluetooth or not. |
| 22:33.27 | ManuP | dante_2core, lsmod | grep blue just tells me, that bluetooth is loaded, not rfcomm and l2cab. |
| 22:33.34 | ManuP | are the other modules important? |
| 22:33.38 | dante_2core | ManuP, sure? :D my notebook has those options, too, and I did not think so before |
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| 22:34.05 | dante_2core | ManuP, ... | grep blue will only show things containing "blue" and thus rfcomm and l2cab won't appear |
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| 22:34.13 | ManuP | dante_2core, i will look then. but i once used bluetooth in windows and never changed a thing after that in bios |
| 22:34.24 | hmm-home | I'm getting no sound devices showing up in my skype client with debian and gnome |
| 22:34.26 | dante_2core | ManuP, mmh, double-check anyway. |
| 22:34.40 | ManuP | dante_2core, they are used by bluetooth, so they would appear. |
| 22:34.53 | dante_2core | hmm-home, but they do show up in other programs? or in volume controls? |
| 22:35.23 | dante_2core | ManuP, hmmn ok sorry then. well I don't know if they're important... |
| 22:35.24 | mrcheeks | how could I delete my /etc/exim4 file? I get the error ls: cannot access /etc/exim4: Invalid argument |
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| 22:36.41 | dante_2core | hmm-home, and... no sound devices for both oss and alsa chosen? |
| 22:36.53 | ManuP | dante_2core, i read on http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Gentoo_on_HP_Compaq_nx6325#Onboard_Bluetooth that kdebluetoothd would fully support bluetooth... but not on my machine :/ |
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| 22:37.32 | ManuP | reboot, brb |
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| 22:38.13 | abrotman | mrcheeks: ls -ld /etc/exim4/ |
| 22:38.35 | mrcheeks | sorry to paste |
| 22:38.38 | mrcheeks | mrcheeks-desktop:/etc> sudo ls -ld /etc/exim4/ |
| 22:38.38 | mrcheeks | ls: cannot access /etc/exim4/: Invalid argument |
| 22:38.38 | mrcheeks | mrcheeks-desktop:/etc> |
| 22:38.40 | abrotman | should be one line |
| 22:38.56 | abrotman | mrcheeks: and if you `mkdir /etc/exim4/` .. what's the error ? |
| 22:39.01 | mrcheeks | same |
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| 22:39.13 | mrcheeks | I am going insane |
| 22:39.15 | abrotman | sounds like your filesystem is seriously buggered |
| 22:39.17 | jim | touch /etc/hello |
| 22:39.55 | jim | that do bad things too? |
| 22:40.09 | abrotman | bad touch! |
| 22:40.24 | jim | don't touch me THERE! |
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| 22:41.45 | dante_2core | jim, abrotman, any idea about the other guy not having his bluetooth device show up? |
| 22:41.53 | abrotman | bluetooth sucks ? |
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| 22:42.42 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.43 | Nyle | oops |
| 22:42.47 | dante_2core | bluetooth is useful to talk to gadgets on the go, no cables required. also for calling with headsets wireless. firstly. secondly, usually those bluetooth thingies are paired with the wlan devices |
| 22:42.54 | Nyle | sorry just got home i guess my blanket pressed space while I was at work |
| 22:43.00 | ManuP | dante_2core, there was indeed an option for wlan/bluetooth in bios. but both were on. |
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| 22:43.19 | Nyle | man I messed with a server cluster today and 10TB SAN |
| 22:43.25 | dcsimon | how can I get an IDE drive to show up as an sdX device in /dev? |
| 22:43.36 | Nyle | document scanning/imaging company, that shit was wicked |
| 22:43.57 | Nyle | RHEL though |
| 22:43.59 | Nyle | :( |
| 22:43.59 | dante_2core | ManuP, good then. now, you see, kbluetoothd is on the application layer, just as gnome-bluetooth stuff is. but things here are not working on the driver level, which is lower |
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| 22:44.40 | dante_2core | ManuP, kbluetoothd and so on can only look at devices that are seen by the kernel/udev system (guys, correct me if i'm wrong please) - so if that's not happening, the apps can't do anything about it |
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| 22:44.53 | mrcheeks | I guess I have to try xfs_repair |
| 22:45.01 | mrcheeks | must be a inode issue |
| 22:45.23 | ManuP | dante_2core, hmm... i loaded modules bluetooth, rfcomm, l2cap and started kbluetooth (not with a d), but nothing. |
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| 22:45.37 | ManuP | hcitool dev doesnt list a device |
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| 22:45.56 | dante_2core | ManuP, if hcitool dev does not show anything, the system does not see any bluetooth device, thus the apps building upon it can't either |
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| 22:46.15 | dante_2core | we need to look for something to change about the thing being not recognized |
| 22:46.36 | dante_2core | ManuP, could you dmesg | tail, then switch wlan off and on again, and then dmesg | tail again, and pastebin? |
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| 22:46.54 | dante_2core | to see what was newly added to the log if you "unplug" and "replug" wlan/bt devices |
| 22:47.05 | ManuP | dante_2core, of course. a tail -n20 would be better, wouldn't it? |
| 22:47.18 | dante_2core | ManuP, as many lines as you like :D more is better, yea |
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| 22:49.53 | ManuP | dante i think 30 are even better... argh |
| 22:50.40 | dante_2core | ManuP, just paste as much as you find relevant - I just found something, too - is hci_usb loaded? |
| 22:50.42 | holycow | how do you change the locale in debian again? |
| 22:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !locales |
| 22:51.25 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 22:51.45 | holycow | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you v v muchly |
| 22:52.29 | ManuP | dante_2core, http://pastebin.ca/911779 |
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| 22:53.42 | ManuP | dante_2core, sorry, i forgot sth. reload the pastebin. its in now |
| 22:53.43 | dante_2core | ManuP, do you paste lspci always again or do I look at the wrong link? |
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| 22:54.01 | ManuP | dante_2core, i dindt delet it yet |
| 22:54.11 | ManuP | maybe you need some information of it again |
| 22:54.16 | bujin | hi |
| 22:54.23 | ManuP | hi |
| 22:54.23 | bujin | how can i install autopackage in debian etch? |
| 22:54.34 | abrotman | what is autopackage ? |
| 22:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg knows.. |
| 22:54.54 | ManuP | !autopackage |
| 22:54.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, autopackage is http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/autopackage_designed_by_monkeys-2005-03-28-14-20.html or http://autopackage.org, or http://www.netsplit.com/blog/tech/autopackage.html |
| 22:54.57 | dante_2core | I don't like autopackages... too auto for me. |
| 22:55.12 | ManuP | ^^ |
| 22:55.29 | dante_2core | ManuP, looks normal as far as bluetooth and driver loading goes, but there's nothing about "new bluetooth device found" |
| 22:55.30 | ManuP | apt-get install autopackage?! |
| 22:55.38 | dante_2core | ManuP, try and load "hci_usb" module |
| 22:56.01 | ManuP | dante_2core, did load without error |
| 22:56.13 | dante_2core | look in dmesg and at hcitool dev |
| 22:56.15 | ManuP | no device in hcitool dev |
| 22:56.20 | dante_2core | bah |
| 22:56.35 | ManuP | Bluetooth: HCI USB driver ver 2.9 and usbcore: registered new interface driver hci_usb |
| 22:56.36 | dante_2core | dmesg nothing special either, I guess? |
| 22:56.45 | ManuP | that was in dmesg |
| 22:57.05 | dante_2core | ManuP, that sounds good. now turn wlan off / on, and look again (sorry for the trial-and-error process) |
| 22:57.16 | ManuP | np |
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| 22:57.35 | ManuP | i would do it the same and after 100 errors, i would give up |
| 22:57.37 | ManuP | ^^ |
| 22:58.32 | ManuP | dante_2core, i can not remove the bluetooth module since in use of hci_usb |
| 22:58.38 | dante_2core | ManuP, well, I don't sit in front of the thing, so it's rather hairy to figure things out - anyway, you're using a debian kernel I guess? |
| 22:58.48 | dante_2core | ManuP, I mean turning wlan on and off with the wlan button-thingy |
| 22:59.07 | ManuP | dante_2core, ahhh... with the button. k |
| 22:59.13 | ManuP | dante_2core, yap, debian lenny |
| 22:59.14 | bolt | During heavy I/O operations (taring a few gigs for instance) my computer suddenly pauses for a second or so, and these lines show up in the logs. http://pastebin.com/m5d9e16aa ..then it continues the operation. What the hey is a dma_timer_expiry? |
| 22:59.14 | dante_2core | and look at dmesg and make sure it's "on" |
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| 23:00.16 | dante_2core | bolt, DMA is something harddrive-related, maybe your drive does not support it and it's turned on? or it does not support it at heavy operation or something? |
| 23:00.30 | ManuP | dante_2core, if i push the radio-button, dmesg tells: bcm43xx: Radio hardware status changed to disabled/enabled |
| 23:00.46 | dante_2core | lawl, that's much info - "disabled/enabled" |
| 23:00.49 | dante_2core | OMG |
| 23:00.58 | dante_2core | press it again and look until it's enabled/enabled |
| 23:01.00 | ManuP | i guess dmesg says radio turned off because i have no "connection" |
| 23:01.15 | ManuP | dante_2core, oh, no. sorry. it tells enabled or disabled. |
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| 23:01.20 | dante_2core | no, connections are not being put into dmesg for wlan stuff |
| 23:01.24 | ManuP | i just wanted to show you both |
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| 23:01.31 | chendo[work] | Apt keeps trying to set up a package that doesn't exist.. like the install never completed properly |
| 23:01.32 | ManuP | k |
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| 23:01.35 | chendo[work] | How would I make it stop that? |
| 23:01.39 | dante_2core | ManuP, darn. ok, then make it enabled, see if hci_usb stuff says anything |
| 23:01.55 | dante_2core | chendo[work], what is the output it makes? installation failed? |
| 23:02.02 | dante_2core | chendo[work], pastebin some output for us to see. |
| 23:02.07 | chendo[work] | kk |
| 23:02.42 | chendo[work] | http://pastie.caboo.se/155074 |
| 23:02.46 | ManuP | dante_2core, no, nothing |
| 23:02.48 | debian_ | I want open-ttd, how? |
| 23:03.14 | dante_2core | chendo[work], do you need that package? |
| 23:03.20 | chendo[work] | dante_2core, nope |
| 23:03.25 | chendo[work] | Compiled from source |
| 23:03.41 | dante_2core | ManuP, put it on the debian forums or something, I can't help I think :( |
| 23:03.51 | dante_2core | or ask again if more competent people are here than me :D |
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| 23:03.59 | dante_2core | chendo[work], what is compiled from source? |
| 23:04.03 | chendo[work] | nginx |
| 23:04.06 | chendo[work] | The package that keeps failing |
| 23:04.14 | dante_2core | and why is it compiled from source? |
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| 23:04.31 | chendo[work] | dante_2core, because I wanted to run the latest version |
| 23:04.36 | groton | how to install debian on just partitioned hd while running a linux/debian from the primary hd? |
| 23:04.50 | dante_2core | chendo[work], aaah I see - I think you compiled it and installed it, and then wanted to uninstall the package |
| 23:05.09 | chendo[work] | dante_2core, nah, I've already uninstalled the package |
| 23:05.12 | ManuP | dante_2core, okay. thanks anyway. will again google on it :/ |
| 23:05.12 | chendo[work] | Or so I thought |
| 23:05.14 | dante_2core | chendo[work], but you overwrote the init script with the installation of the compiled one and now the script seems to fail for apt, because it's changed |
| 23:05.27 | chendo[work] | dante_2core, actually, that was the error when I first installed nginx with apt |
| 23:05.28 | dante_2core | ManuP, sorry I couldn't help :( you need hci_usb, anyway. |
| 23:05.38 | chendo[work] | Hence me wanting to try the compiled one |
| 23:05.49 | chendo[work] | nginx doesn't come with init scripts ;o |
| 23:06.08 | dante_2core | chendo[work], now... move /etc/init.d/nginx to somewhere else, do "touch /etc/init.d/nginx", and re-uninstall it again |
| 23:06.53 | ManuP | dante_2core, yeah, that's something i didnt know before. |
| 23:06.55 | ManuP | :) |
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| 23:07.17 | dante_2core | chendo[work], well then try to make a script, just an empty file named /etc/init.d/nginx |
| 23:07.49 | chendo[work] | dante_2core, worked, thanks |
| 23:07.52 | dante_2core | ManuP, well, good then :D I would now prolly custo-compile a kernel with verbose output, but that's too much work |
| 23:07.55 | dante_2core | chendo[work], no problem |
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| 23:09.09 | dante_2core | ManuP, well, as I said, post it somewhere and look if anyone replies... maybe test the bluetooth subsystem with a usb-bluetooth-stick, if you have any of those... |
| 23:09.29 | ManuP | dante_2core, i did already compile my own kernels. but not this time :) just standard kernel. hadnt time for that jey |
| 23:09.33 | ManuP | s/jey/jet |
| 23:09.45 | dante_2core | s/jet/yet :P |
| 23:09.54 | ManuP | ^^ |
| 23:09.56 | ManuP | thanks |
| 23:09.59 | dante_2core | np |
| 23:10.15 | ManuP | dont have bluetooth stick. maybe one of my friends has.. |
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| 23:10.18 | dante_2core | mmh, anyway, i'll google a bit, too - if you get any further, tell me, i'm here frequently |
| 23:10.33 | dante_2core | (actually, every day.) |
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| 23:13.15 | ManuP | dante_2core, k |
| 23:13.35 | dante_2core | i'll be afk now, gotta do something quiet before going to sleep |
| 23:13.39 | dante_2core | bye guys, good luck |
| 23:14.53 | ManuP | "Note that this chipset does not appear to work with headsets (at all). Broadcom is not very friendly to the open source community so keep that in mind next time you see their brand name on a product you're thinking about purchasing." LOL |
| 23:15.03 | YouBucky | I have a problem where when a log file reaches 2GB the accosiated service no longer works correctly, I assume this is a Linux file system issue. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? |
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| 23:15.54 | enouf | YouBucky: fat32 likely |
| 23:16.17 | nevyn | YouBucky: log to a filesystem that supports files larger that 2gig |
| 23:16.49 | enouf | (maybe smbfs) use cifs for 2k/xpoop and up |
| 23:17.08 | YouBucky | Thanks guys the file system is EXT3 so large file support shoud be fine I thought? |
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| 23:18.13 | enouf | actually 2GB is not, kernel large file support for ext3, 2TB or 4 and up or something ..maybe :-P |
| 23:18.19 | enouf | !fat32 |
| 23:18.19 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 23:18.23 | enouf | gah |
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| 23:18.24 | hunterp | is xmodmap the easiest way to remap my double quote key which is producing the wrong character? |
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| 23:19.20 | enouf | hunterp: in X? perhaps - also maybe your DE might have some funky thing for rempapping |
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| 23:19.39 | hunterp | enouf: do you know how to use xmodmap |
| 23:19.48 | enouf | just a tad |
| 23:19.50 | YouBucky | enouf: You lost me there, are you saying ext3 does not have large file support? |
| 23:19.58 | ManuP | dante_2core, oh, i am working on 64bit system. should i hve told you that? |
| 23:19.59 | dante_2core | afk, studying biology |
| 23:20.08 | enouf | YouBucky: i'm saying 2GB never was an issue for ext3 |
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| 23:20.30 | AwesomeGuy | I have a .pl perl script, how do I execute it? |
| 23:20.34 | Djangoo | someone want to recommend a decent webcam utility and an ubuntu repo to find it in? ucview doesn't seem to want to display my preview window |
| 23:20.43 | hunterp | enouf: what character is this ¨ |
| 23:20.54 | bolt | !tell Djangoo about ubuntu |
| 23:21.01 | dante_2core | ManuP, mmmmmmh, should not be a problem, yet can be a problem :D (I know this won't bring you any further, but it is as I said) |
| 23:21.28 | dante_2core | Djangoo, for ubuntu specific stuff go to #ubuntu |
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| 23:21.43 | Djangoo | well it doesn't have to be specific |
| 23:21.48 | Djangoo | whatever |
| 23:21.52 | Djangoo | thanks anyway |
| 23:21.52 | enouf | hunterp: all i see is two boxes/rectangals ;-) |
| 23:21.53 | AwesomeGuy | !perl |
| 23:21.53 | dpkg | perl is, like, the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ or #perl |
| 23:21.55 | ManuP | dante_2core, i think i download a brand new ubuntu and test there. maybe this tells me more |
| 23:21.55 | dante_2core | afk, studying biology |
| 23:22.01 | dante_2core | lawl sry, bind |
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| 23:22.06 | enouf | rectangles even - is that chinese, or japanese? |
| 23:22.06 | dante_2core | re,/away |
| 23:22.09 | dante_2core | re, btw |
| 23:22.12 | AwesomeGuy | .. |
| 23:22.14 | hunterp | enouf: as i suspected. its pissing me off... i cant write code without double quotes |
| 23:22.36 | dante_2core | ManuP, ... you're on ubuntu? |
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| 23:22.56 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. I've installed Etch, but X.org doesn't seem to start. Anyways, I need to upgrade to Lenny. I've changed the strings in the configs. How do I upgrade the system then, in the most correct way? |
| 23:22.57 | dante_2core | hunterp, bump, darn rite. '"' ftw. |
| 23:23.03 | enouf | hunterp: setxkbmap <cc> would set your contry code, iinm |
| 23:23.04 | AwesomeGuy | I have a .pl perl script, how do I execute it? |
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| 23:23.06 | ManuP | dante_2core, no. |
| 23:23.08 | Onyx | I'm trying to install an application via wine, but I keep running into an error: "The installShield Engine (iKernel.exe) could not be launched". Does anyone know what may cause this? |
| 23:23.14 | enouf | country even |
| 23:23.23 | gpm | AwesomeGuy: perl script.pl |
| 23:23.26 | hunterp | dante_2core: i totally have no clue what you said |
| 23:23.31 | dkr | !tell SchwarzeKrause about etch->lenny |
| 23:23.31 | dante_2core | ManuP, ah, ok then. well, give it a try, and look at what's different from here, write it down, and then make it work here :D |
| 23:23.35 | gpm | AwesomeGuy: or if you have a nice shebang and it's +x, ./script.pl |
| 23:23.45 | ManuP | dante_2core, but i think i will download me a bootable cd and then i see if bluetooth works there. |
| 23:23.45 | hunterp | enouf: WIN!!!!!!!1 |
| 23:23.57 | dante_2core | hunterp, you said you can't code without double quotes. I kinda said "ye man, I understand your feelings." |
| 23:23.57 | hunterp | enouf: """"""""""""""""""""" |
| 23:24.02 | enouf | hunterp: some info for xmodmap usage http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html |
| 23:24.13 | enouf | hunterp: oh .. hehe, what happened |
| 23:24.15 | enouf | ? |
| 23:24.16 | AwesomeGuy | it's named hacktheplanet!.pl, is that why it wont work? |
| 23:24.24 | hunterp | enouf: setxkbmap us |
| 23:24.31 | enouf | hunterp: heh |
| 23:24.32 | SchwarzeKrause | dkr: Thanks! How do I get the list of all those topics bot can automatically explain to me? |
| 23:24.33 | dante_2core | ManuP, gogo :D |
| 23:24.40 | ManuP | ^^ |
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| 23:25.18 | beardy | !factoids |
| 23:25.18 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 23:25.27 | beardy | SchwarzeKrause: ^^^ |
| 23:25.31 | dkr | SchwarzeKrause: /msg dpkg help you can use listkeys command to search factoid keys |
| 23:25.41 | dkr | or there :) |
| 23:26.23 | dante_2core | leavin'... bye guys, good luck with everything. ManuP, talk to you ^^ |
| 23:26.27 | dkr | SchwarzeKrause: also the lenny release notes explain the upgrade procedure from etch in better detail |
| 23:26.27 | gpm | AwesomeGuy: maybe? try using doublequotes |
| 23:26.49 | AwesomeGuy | k |
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| 23:27.14 | gpm | or rename it |
| 23:27.16 | gpm | if you like |
| 23:27.34 | AwesomeGuy | k |
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| 23:33.19 | gholm | does anyone know of any web interfaces to the locate database? It would be good to be able to use "locate" facility on a WinXp client |
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| 23:33.41 | Grunt | Hi ! Does somebody knows how to use libmtp to copy files from a Mp3 device? libmtp is installed (on Debian testing), and now what should I do to mount the device? |
| 23:34.14 | gpm | gholm: seems like it might be easy to do with CGI. |
| 23:34.30 | gpm | if the *nix box is a webserver, of course |
| 23:34.47 | gholm | gpm: easy is a relative term and yes, the *nix box is the server |
| 23:35.04 | gpm | gholm: well, i don't know much about CGI and bash |
| 23:35.09 | gpm | but |
| 23:35.25 | gpm | seems like you could have a form with action to a bash script |
| 23:35.25 | gholm | gpm: me neither |
| 23:35.43 | gpm | that runs "locate" on the input |
| 23:35.45 | beardy | gholm: ssh to the machine, and just do it? |
| 23:35.50 | gpm | haha |
| 23:35.56 | gpm | putty, the ultimate interface! |
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| 23:36.16 | gpm | beardy has a point |
| 23:36.31 | gholm | beardy: I just don't think our Winxp people will take to Putty |
| 23:36.44 | beardy | It will save some trouble, if he doesn't want to write what he needs. |
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| 23:36.55 | gholm | beardy: not a clean nor simple way to search |
| 23:37.19 | gholm | beardy: I reckon gpm is right tho. a CGI script with some bash wrangling |
| 23:37.26 | beardy | gholm: What's not clean? |
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| 23:37.38 | gpm | yeah, locate "somestuff" seems pretty simple and clean to me |
| 23:37.49 | gpm | another way would be to add a samba share |
| 23:37.56 | devilwolf | hi all |
| 23:38.01 | gpm | then they can search from within their pretty little windows search |
| 23:38.01 | beardy | gholm: Sure. Or python, php or perl, or something else, to wrap it with. If it's local only it's no problem, if it's not, think of security. |
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| 23:38.13 | devilwolf | i'm facing a problem to install debian 4.0r3 |
| 23:38.17 | raz | hrm. can anyone explain to me why sometimes when i start something in the background, as in "foo &", then i cannot exit that shell anymore? (only by closing the xterm hard) |
| 23:38.34 | gholm | gpm: windows search doens't use databaseing so it indexes as it searches. |
| 23:38.41 | devilwolf | installation stop at cups configuration fail |
| 23:38.44 | beardy | gholm: I disagree that it's not clean, because it can not be cleaner than a shell, one running bash too. |
| 23:38.47 | gpm | gholm: ok. |
| 23:38.50 | gholm | gpm: and that is stupid if you are searching gigs of data |
| 23:39.24 | gpm | gholm: oh i'm so sorry for offering a suggestion. don't let my stupid suggestions get in your way anymore. |
| 23:39.36 | enouf | YouBucky: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/block/Kconfig lines 23 and 44 is what i thought you meant, i know smbfs might also have some 2GB limit, perhaps it (smbfs) could be compiled to enable larger, but just use cifs instead |
| 23:39.38 | beardy | raz: Because you have processes running. |
| 23:40.24 | beardy | raz: Processes that has your shell as parent. |
| 23:40.27 | gholm | beardy: there's just toomany steps to make it user friendly...open a preconfigured putty, type pwd, type locate " blah", see where it exists, go back into windows to find it based on what you read in the putty window |
| 23:40.43 | gholm | It's just too long and wieldy |
| 23:40.43 | enouf | YouBucky: but fat/fat32 has a max 2GB file size limit with and windows below win2K, and 4GB limit in 2K and up |
| 23:40.46 | gholm | for WinXp |
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| 23:41.08 | beardy | gholm: We aren't here to make it easy for stupid user idiots. But go ahead, you got suggestions. |
| 23:41.18 | gholm | gpm: no I didn't mean your suggestion was stupid, it's a comment on WinXp's search facility |
| 23:41.59 | enouf | YouBucky: iirc. fat16 has a 2GB partition size limit, even making it worse the fat32/vfat in that respect |
| 23:42.02 | gholm | beardy: aren't stupid user idiots the average? where I work they are |
| 23:42.09 | enouf | s/the/than |
| 23:42.32 | raz | beardy, hmm. but doesn't "&" do an explicit fork(), how do they still depend on the parent shell? i've been wondering about this for a long time and recently noticed it never happens under solaris (using bash there, too). |
| 23:43.24 | gpm | gholm: oh i see. sorry, a little cranky. anyway i am out of suggestions. seems like bash/cgi would be the way to go...that or telling your users how easy it is to putty in and locate |
| 23:43.31 | beardy | raz: I see. Sounds like a difference between solaris and linux then. I don't know enough about it at that level to give a good answer. Try ##linux too. |
| 23:43.44 | enouf | try #bash too? |
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| 23:43.52 | beardy | Why? |
| 23:44.05 | raz | beardy, enouf ok will try there. i know its not really a debian question :) |
| 23:44.05 | enouf | they only deal with GNU bash? |
| 23:44.09 | beardy | It's about how the fork is done, as I understand it. |
| 23:44.37 | gholm | gpm: yeah, not sure about Putty but will def investigate the CGI/perl script option |
| 23:44.57 | gpm | it might take a day, but it'll work |
| 23:45.01 | beardy | gholm: Most things have a system(dosomething), use that, and a html form. |
| 23:45.29 | gholm | beardy: yeah cool. |
| 23:46.24 | enouf | Grunt: no idea, but do you have mtp-tools installed? |
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| 23:52.04 | rNode | Is the procedure for installing Debian on VMware any different then installing it on any terminal? |
| 23:52.32 | Grunt | enouf: I'll try this, thanks for the information |
| 23:53.17 | enouf | Grunt: sure, docs are usually in /usr/share/docs/ and do /msg dpkg grounding in your irc client :-) |
| 23:53.30 | SPF | rNode: it's the same |
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| 23:55.12 | Supaplex | rNode: the only difference is how all vmware guests are treated. custom drivers to accelrate the guest etc |
| 23:55.12 | Grunt | enouf: lol.. shame on me, I thank that mtp was a bitch under GNU/Linux but it seems to have been quickly developed since the last time I encountered a MTP device |
| 23:55.19 | Supaplex | !tell rNode about vmware |
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| 23:57.17 | enouf | Grunt: should i surmise that the pkg helped then? ;-) |
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| 23:57.44 | Grunt | enouf: aptitude search seems to have done enough :) |
| 23:58.03 | enouf | heh, ok ;-) |
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