| 00:01.26 | triptec | is there anyone who might point me in the right direction here.. my fakeraid sets doesn't show up in /dev/disk/by-label/ is there something i can do to update it or something? |
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| 00:02.17 | triptec | using e2label on the /dev/mapper/nvidia_* will show the labels |
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| 00:03.28 | triptec | well not with * but using it on all partitions there |
| 00:03.37 | deadlyallance623 | mabey i am why too newb but just wondering how does one go about creating his own debian based distro ? |
| 00:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, shouldn't the vmware factoid mention the free alternatives? |
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| 00:05.38 | triptec | is there anyone who knows anything about udev? |
| 00:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | deadlyallance623: that's a strange question for a noob... actually, that's a strange question independent of who asks :) |
| 00:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | triptec: I'm sure there must be :) |
| 00:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | triptec: scnr |
| 00:06.28 | gpm | !anyone |
| 00:06.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:06.41 | deadlyallance623 | cutmeownthroat well i have found meny distros i like but not all of any one of them |
| 00:08.02 | triptec | CutMeOwnThroat: scnr? |
| 00:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | deadlyallance623: I guess if you start building your own packages for debian, add them to the repository and ship that, you have a "debian based distro" |
| 00:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | triptec: "sorry, could not resist" |
| 00:08.31 | triptec | just googled it... |
| 00:09.31 | deadlyallance623 | cutmeownthroat i am thinking of doing it for education |
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| 00:10.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | triptec: you can also always ask dpkg like "/msg dpkg scnr" or "/msg dpkg message the bot" |
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| 00:11.26 | triptec | well, I don't thing I'll be around for that long, kinda quiet |
| 00:11.43 | deadlyallance623 | cutmeownthroat i am thinking about default packages, logos, default wallpaper and desktoptheme and stuff like thart |
| 00:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | triptec? |
| 00:11.58 | triptec | yeah |
| 00:12.47 | gpm | deadlyallance623: you don't need to make a whole new distro to set those |
| 00:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | triptec: you didn't ask a question |
| 00:13.01 | gpm | 16:01 < triptec> is there anyone who might point me in the right direction here.. my fakeraid sets doesn't show up in /dev/disk/by-label/ is there something i can do to update it or something? |
| 00:13.05 | gpm | yeah he did |
| 00:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, oh :) |
| 00:13.21 | gpm | 16:02 < triptec> using e2label on the /dev/mapper/nvidia_* will show the labels |
| 00:13.58 | gpm | unfortunately i know jack about raid |
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| 00:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I set one up on this computer recently... 1st time ever |
| 00:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | which also doesn't make me an expert |
| 00:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't have /dev/disk/by-label/ - just by-id and by-path |
| 00:15.04 | Nyle | gekki |
| 00:15.10 | Nyle | hello |
| 00:15.19 | gpm | label always seemed a little sketchy to me anyway |
| 00:15.22 | triptec | and there are some posts around about it but it include messing around with udev rules and stuff, and I don't have anything else but network access so I don't like boot errors |
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| 00:15.59 | triptec | CutMeOwnThroat: have you labeld any of your partitions? |
| 00:16.13 | Nyle | .ne yses yyud |
| 00:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | triptec: nope... and I guess that's why I don't have the directory |
| 00:16.15 | Nyle | oh ffs |
| 00:16.39 | triptec | Nyle: ? |
| 00:16.50 | enouf | iinm mdadm uses separate UUIDs and perhaps LABELs as well |
| 00:17.08 | triptec | Nyle: well it changes when I change dist from time to time |
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| 00:17.27 | triptec | oh well no it doesn't |
| 00:17.31 | triptec | but still |
| 00:18.13 | Nyle | man its fucking cold tonight |
| 00:18.14 | Nyle | damn |
| 00:18.29 | Nyle | triptec: lableing works too |
| 00:18.36 | triptec | I could just used /dev/mapper/nvidia_eccskd1 for example but I hate how it makes my fstab look |
| 00:18.37 | deadlyallance623 | myle i dont want to hear about cold ? |
| 00:18.50 | Nyle | deadlyallance623: than type /ignore nyle and stfu |
| 00:19.21 | Nyle | triptec: so what exactly is the issue you are having? |
| 00:19.39 | deadlyallance623 | lol |
| 00:19.56 | deadlyallance623 | i havent seen above freezing for 4 months |
| 00:20.06 | triptec | all my sata and ata I can find in /dev/disk/by-label/ but not the raid sets |
| 00:20.32 | enouf | fakeraid |
| 00:20.35 | triptec | yeah |
| 00:20.46 | enouf | tried dmraid? |
| 00:20.49 | Nyle | does raid make my disks fasterings? |
| 00:21.02 | enouf | according to linux-ata.org? |
| 00:21.19 | triptec | yeah, I don't think I would be able to use the fakeraid sets without |
| 00:21.20 | Nyle | just goofin around man |
| 00:22.39 | enouf | so, what do the docs say about it? |
| 00:22.50 | triptec | cmd to get uuid of part? |
| 00:23.03 | enouf | man mdadm.conf mentions how it deals with it's ARRAY uuids |
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| 00:24.58 | triptec | enouf: there should be no need for mdadm I don't seem to have the .conf |
| 00:24.58 | tsawolf | Out of curiousity, what's the current opinion on stable v. testing for production env.'s. |
| 00:25.34 | dkr | stable for servers, testing for workstations :) |
| 00:26.09 | triptec | I installed testing 2 weeks ago, got apache segfaulted for 3 days with only one post about it I'd say it sucks |
| 00:26.37 | enouf | triptec: well, mdadm hooks into dm-setup and such iinm, but i'm not clear on the exact details - i ony have mdadm pkg installed here for review, "dpkg -L dmraid" (or use locate or dlocate) and read the docs |
| 00:26.43 | tsawolf | triptec: Fair. |
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| 00:27.18 | triptec | enouf: thx |
| 00:27.25 | tsawolf | dkr: My only concern is how far behind stable lags. |
| 00:27.45 | tsawolf | And since you can't mix stable and testing on a per-package basis... |
| 00:28.05 | dkr | tsawolf: yes you can, that's what backports are for :) |
| 00:28.24 | tsawolf | Psh. If I'm backporting something, I'm kind of subverting the tree entirely. |
| 00:28.59 | tsawolf | I mean, I could compile it all myself. |
| 00:29.21 | triptec | tsawolf: stable isn't the shit it's more mellow I'd say, usually u can install config and not think about it for the next couple of months |
| 00:29.29 | dkr | well it's obviously a compromise. it's all about trade-offs ;) |
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| 00:30.48 | tsawolf | I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I understand, but I wouldn't want to backport, say, MySQL. |
| 00:32.39 | tsawolf | Yet mysql in stable is, oh, a major version behind. |
| 00:32.56 | tsawolf | Or are we up to 5.2 yet in MySQL... |
| 00:33.03 | tsawolf | Mm. I forget. |
| 00:33.14 | tsawolf | But my point stands. |
| 00:33.23 | dkr | when you have a few hundred thousand lines of production code,you would still be using mysql4 too :) |
| 00:33.49 | triptec | but do you get that much more from testing compaired to the hassle off this and that |
| 00:33.50 | triptec | ? |
| 00:34.04 | tsawolf | dkr: Whose saying I don't? ;) |
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| 00:34.43 | dkr | tsawolf: well,then stable is probably for you :) |
| 00:34.55 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.57 | tsawolf | Fair, fair. |
| 00:35.05 | tsawolf | Thanks for the input. :) |
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| 00:35.34 | triptec | tsawolf: I'd acually point you in the direction of ubunto or something rather than testing |
| 00:35.41 | triptec | ubuntu* |
| 00:36.14 | dkr | uhm, for a server? |
| 00:36.29 | nebM0ft | I generated the latest debian/etch fglrx pkgs using the official catalyst installer, but when i try to run xmoto it barely moves.. catalyst works great on my system in archlinux |
| 00:36.30 | triptec | oh, then no stable |
| 00:36.41 | nebM0ft | is there anything else i could do to get 3D acceleration? |
| 00:37.13 | triptec | have you checked wat driver u have in xorg.conf? |
| 00:37.25 | nebM0ft | triptec: i ran aticonfig to take care of that |
| 00:37.39 | nebM0ft | "aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
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| 00:37.54 | n3kl | It would seem that md raid or lvm or both don't care about the device number? Is this the case? |
| 00:38.30 | nebM0ft | triptec: anything else I could try? |
| 00:38.33 | n3kl | I just installed a sata controller, and for the drives detected it replaced my original onboard sda with the one that is plugged into the controller and the system still booted |
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| 00:38.42 | n3kl | wtf |
| 00:39.07 | triptec | nebM0ft: I actually only used aticonfig on ubuntu |
| 00:39.10 | AlohaCalifornia | when using USBView, what does it mean something shows up in text? |
| 00:39.36 | nebM0ft | triptec: And in debian? |
| 00:40.03 | triptec | no, I just run servern env now, no X |
| 00:41.19 | triptec | nebM0ft: what fps do you get in xglgears or what ever the name was |
| 00:41.20 | triptec | ? |
| 00:41.30 | triptec | fglgears |
| 00:41.36 | triptec | no |
| 00:43.12 | triptec | well good night |
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| 00:44.53 | adamb | Anyone know of a decent cmd line tool to load a remote http site and record load time? |
| 00:45.13 | dkr | ab |
| 00:45.21 | enouf | n3kl: that's your BIOS settings and your / filesystem is likely not on raid/lvm |
| 00:45.30 | jim | man time ; man wget |
| 00:45.44 | AlohaCalifornia | When using USBView, what does it mean something shows up in red text? |
| 00:46.16 | jim | n3kl: look into UUIDs |
| 00:46.25 | n3kl | enouf: right, its strange that it booted though. I have root=/dev/md1 er whatever for grub, but I would expect md to be looking for sda1+sdb1=md1 and not find it, thus not boot |
| 00:46.26 | jim | AlohaCalifornia: stop! :) |
| 00:46.41 | jim | I dunno, what's it saying?\ |
| 00:46.54 | jim | can I get usbview for etch? what's the package name |
| 00:47.03 | AlohaCalifornia | i think just usbview |
| 00:47.06 | enouf | n3kl: well if that |
| 00:47.08 | jim | ok |
| 00:47.24 | enouf | 's your root line /sda doesn't matter |
| 00:47.26 | n3kl | jim: I see them in the mdadm.conf. Is this what the identifer the md is using as opposed to device numbers? |
| 00:47.44 | enouf | n3kl: i mean what's your #groot= set to? |
| 00:47.46 | n3kl | jim: enouf: so could I expect this same type of behavior in the future |
| 00:47.56 | n3kl | enouf: /dev/mdx something |
| 00:48.00 | AlohaCalifornia | jim: It gives the name of the device and other information, but on the left hand side, the device explorer (I guess i can call it that), the name of the device shows up in red |
| 00:48.01 | enouf | right |
| 00:48.09 | jim | I'm not exactly sure. but I do know that you should be able to use UUIDs in places like /etc/fstab |
| 00:48.32 | nn64 | I need someone to create an account on linuxmain.net then use the email sent to them to validate the account then login so i know that my sight http://linuxmain.net works |
| 00:48.44 | n3kl | hmm. |
| 00:48.49 | nn64 | can some one please test that for me |
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| 00:49.02 | Supaplex | nn64: use temporaryinbox.com and do it yourself :) |
| 00:49.16 | jim | ok, I got a usbview winder goin |
| 00:49.26 | dkr | nn64: an optometrist can help with sight problems :) |
| 00:49.30 | Enf0rc3r | whats this mean: INIT: Id "S0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 00:49.35 | Enf0rc3r | I can't ssh into that box |
| 00:49.47 | n3kl | What I expect: bios boots first drive, loads grub, loads kernel, panic because can't find root, which contains the mdadm.conf. It appears however, that there is something on the drive that tells it to belong to mdx |
| 00:50.18 | enouf | n3kl: if you go into your BIOS perhaps you can change the device boot order, not the cdrom + floppy + HDD, but the controllers+network+HDD+removable media menu |
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| 00:50.25 | Enf0rc3r | I think it's fubar |
| 00:51.38 | jim | Enf0rc3r: entries in inittab spawn some things that are supposed to stay running... it tracks those by their PID and restarts if dies |
| 00:51.48 | jim | understand that part? |
| 00:51.54 | Enf0rc3r | its stuffed |
| 00:51.56 | Supaplex | Enf0rc3r: grep S0 /etc/inittab |
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| 00:52.06 | jim | it |
| 00:52.29 | jim | is probably a serial port, and the inittab says hang a getty on it |
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| 00:52.32 | jim | probably |
| 00:52.44 | jim | but he's not responding to me... oh well :) |
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| 00:53.17 | Supaplex | it's not a default debian setup. the S0 entry was added by someone. |
| 00:53.24 | jim | right |
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| 00:53.51 | jim | it's probably that example serial console setup, that is commented out by default |
| 00:53.57 | enouf | n3kl: IOW, grub doesn't know or care about raid, your root= is dependent upon your mdadm.conf and your initrd likely - so if you ever have to disassemble the array, those references would vanish - and you'd have troubles then, that's why it's recommended to atleast use a spearate /boot with which you can refer to with grub |
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| 00:54.53 | Supaplex | jw: that's T0 here |
| 00:54.55 | n3kl | enouf: a non-raid /boot is what you are saying? |
| 00:55.01 | enouf | n3kl: i'd be curious to see your /boot/grub/device.map - and above, i mean a small /boot partition |
| 00:55.12 | jim | oh ok, so this is an unknown addition? |
| 00:55.20 | enouf | well, you can mirror /boot too |
| 00:55.46 | jim | if you do that, how will you boot if the array is not up? |
| 00:55.50 | jw | Supaplex: eh? |
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| 00:56.01 | jim | jw: he ment me |
| 00:56.13 | AwesomeGuy | If I had a dialup modem, could I use it to call people and talk into my computers microphone to talk to them on the phone line |
| 00:56.27 | jim | maybe |
| 00:56.45 | jim | depends... on if the modem has that capability |
| 00:56.46 | n3kl | enouf: this is a raid1, fyi |
| 00:56.50 | enouf | n3kl: so if you ever have a disk failure, you can atleast access the survivors outside the array, just need some grub tweaking at that point |
| 00:57.06 | n3kl | (hd1) /dev/sdb |
| 00:57.06 | n3kl | (hd2) /dev/sdc |
| 00:57.09 | nevyn | AwesomeGuy: possibly but modem's typically introduce sufficient latency to cause problems with that strategy |
| 00:57.15 | n3kl | er |
| 00:57.28 | n3kl | enouf: right, thats what I expect |
| 00:57.40 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
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| 00:57.50 | nevyn | AwesomeGuy: a broadband connection typically has a latency in the order of 11ms where a dialup connection typically is an order of magnitude more. |
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| 00:58.13 | AwesomeGuy | I'm using a dsl modem |
| 00:58.13 | n3kl | my proble began when I zapped the partitions on the primary disk because I was thinking the device number would be something that it wasn't |
| 00:58.17 | AwesomeGuy | what does all that mean |
| 00:58.27 | n3kl | so I have a booted system, how can I add the device back into the raid |
| 00:58.36 | n3kl | mdadm --manage -a /dev/md1 /dev/sda1 |
| 00:58.38 | n3kl | ? |
| 00:58.53 | nevyn | AwesomeGuy: a DSL modem.. is not dialup. |
| 00:58.54 | jim | AwesomeGuy, what exactly are you trying to accomplish |
| 00:59.01 | n3kl | ps. ^^ doesn't work |
| 00:59.13 | enouf | something similar yeah , try --add, --build, whatever, man mdadm {mdadm.conf} |
| 00:59.15 | jim | ps works just fine! |
| 00:59.27 | n3kl | hehe |
| 00:59.37 | AwesomeGuy | get a dialup modem and be able to call people with it and talk to them with the computer microphone and be able to record it at the same time |
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| 01:00.00 | jim | why not get some vonage thing |
| 01:00.05 | nevyn | AwesomeGuy: if you have an ADSL connection you can use a sip client to connect to a voip provider and make telephone calls. (which would trivially allow you to record calls.) |
| 01:00.09 | Supaplex | JW: misdirect meant for jim. my bad. :) |
| 01:00.21 | AwesomeGuy | like with audacity? |
| 01:00.23 | jim | or why not get a sound card |
| 01:00.34 | AwesomeGuy | I have a sound card |
| 01:00.47 | jim | ok, how will you get the phone line into the sound card |
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| 01:01.14 | AwesomeGuy | idk |
| 01:01.32 | AwesomeGuy | cut the phone wire and put a 3.5mm jack at the end? |
| 01:01.36 | jim | look at what nevyn said :) |
| 01:02.05 | jim | well there are certain electrical conditions on a phone line... you might not want to do that :) |
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| 01:02.48 | AwesomeGuy | I'll just not plug it in until the call is connected |
| 01:02.49 | jim | but if you want it to dial and record, or even if you want it to be an answering machine, I think you can do those things |
| 01:03.15 | enouf | n3kl: don;t you have similar to # groot=(hd1,0) .. (you said something like /dev/mdX earlier) |
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| 01:03.47 | shad0w1e | Hey; If I plug in one of my SATA drives and it doesn't pick up until next reboot, what is missing? can this be fixed? |
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| 01:04.01 | jim | a reboot! |
| 01:04.11 | shad0w1e | i meant besides that. id like them hot pluggable , lol |
| 01:04.27 | jim | well is it hot pluggable electrically? |
| 01:04.32 | dvs | I thought SATA would pick up immediately. I guess it's something that the kernel guys will have to work on. |
| 01:04.46 | shad0w1e | it ought to be. my old server does it.. not sure why this doesn't. |
| 01:04.48 | jim | maybe there's some rescan command |
| 01:05.05 | shad0w1e | the old one is running a hunk of a distribution though |
| 01:05.20 | jim | shad0w1e, find out why the old one does it |
| 01:05.37 | shad0w1e | i dont know where to start. it can be the distro, or the hardware |
| 01:05.55 | jim | in enough detail to describe, document and duplicate it on the new one |
| 01:06.05 | jim | if this is a server, don't forget the document |
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| 01:06.46 | jim | if it serves a few thousand people and you have to solve a problem... you could be sorry if you don't |
| 01:06.52 | shad0w1e | this is a server... |
| 01:07.14 | shad0w1e | my concern is that I'm using a software RAID |
| 01:07.24 | shad0w1e | i'd at least like to be able to rebuild the raid without a reboot |
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| 01:07.39 | n3kl | enouf: I am not sure what groot is, I have never seen that before. grub.conf line of interest: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64 root=/dev/md1 ro |
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| 01:07.44 | shad0w1e | since, if I reboot, i dont know what'll happen to the booting status of the sofware raid |
| 01:07.48 | Kevin` | shad0w1e if your hardware supports hotswap, md raid does everything online |
| 01:08.02 | shad0w1e | meaning, i dont even need to tell it? |
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| 01:08.18 | jim | assuming the hardware supports it yes |
| 01:08.23 | dvs | That's a good question: how does software RAID deal with SATA drives that switch around? |
| 01:08.26 | shad0w1e | sick! but it didnt... |
| 01:08.28 | jim | are all sata controllers hotswappable? |
| 01:08.31 | enouf | n3kl: $ grep groot /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:08.44 | Kevin` | if you have a hot spare it will rebuild automatically. of course if you have to add a drive you would have to add it to the array |
| 01:09.00 | n3kl | enouf: ah, its not defined. |
| 01:09.01 | shad0w1e | when I popped out the second drive, sdb disappeared (theres some hot swap funcitonality there), but when I put it back in, sdb failed to show until i rebooted |
| 01:09.39 | enouf | n3kl: # groot=(hd1,0) <-- is considered defined - can't you just paste what you have? |
| 01:09.45 | jim | do you have / and /boot in the array or out of it? |
| 01:10.20 | shad0w1e | in it |
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| 01:10.31 | shad0w1e | everything is in it |
| 01:10.40 | shad0w1e | but its a raid 1 |
| 01:10.43 | jim | how do you go about working on it? |
| 01:11.01 | Kevin` | shad0w1e make sure your bios/bootloader will boot from the second drive |
| 01:11.03 | jim | if the array isn't up, aren't you pretty much screwed? |
| 01:11.13 | shad0w1e | well theres a few concerns |
| 01:11.20 | shad0w1e | first, i gotta make sure bios boots to the 2nd drive |
| 01:11.26 | shad0w1e | second i gotta make sure GRUB is on the second drive |
| 01:11.43 | shad0w1e | third, im not even sure what to do here, i want to configure GRUB slightly differently on the second drive, perhaps |
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| 01:12.02 | jim | btw what are the reasons to have a grub stage1.5? |
| 01:12.06 | n3kl | I am building a 2TB filesystem. What filesystem should i use? |
| 01:12.07 | shad0w1e | although i suppose not, because if the first drive is down, the second drive will now become the first drive, right? |
| 01:12.11 | AussieHatter | does an entry in crontab have to be /bin/sh ? |
| 01:12.14 | jim | why not just have a stage2? |
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| 01:12.18 | Kevin` | shad0w1e swap the drives in the bios setup, boot from a grub floppy, and do root (hd0,whatever), setup (hd0), and then everything will work |
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| 01:12.25 | AussieHatter | a script being run i mean |
| 01:12.55 | shad0w1e | so basically if one drive fails, my raid is down until someone does that |
| 01:13.04 | Kevin` | shad0w1e I mean do it now. |
| 01:13.07 | Kevin` | in advance |
| 01:13.10 | shad0w1e | oh |
| 01:13.26 | Kevin` | you can also do it while the system is running but you have to be careful about the bios-linux device mapping |
| 01:13.30 | shad0w1e | still.... each drive thinks its the first drive -- no? |
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| 01:13.41 | Kevin` | each drive should think it's the first drive, yes |
| 01:13.47 | Kevin` | since if one is down it will be |
| 01:13.49 | shad0w1e | ah, that would be the proper way? |
| 01:13.52 | shad0w1e | ahh |
| 01:13.54 | shad0w1e | making sense |
| 01:14.07 | shad0w1e | sooo can I just do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=446 ? |
| 01:14.33 | jim | well if you can do dd, can't you run grub? |
| 01:14.38 | billybobobo | totally off topic, but... does anyonew know of a live feed of the lunar eclipse tonight? |
| 01:14.41 | Kevin` | perhaps. grub has stuff in.. places. |
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| 01:14.45 | shad0w1e | grub gets confusing |
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| 01:14.57 | jim | more general question... how are people feeling about the new grub? |
| 01:15.00 | Kevin` | billybobobo WALK OUTSIDE |
| 01:15.02 | shad0w1e | since the bios mapping will be different |
| 01:15.08 | shad0w1e | and i want it to think its the first |
| 01:15.19 | billybobobo | LOL kevin, true enough |
| 01:15.21 | Kevin` | bbl, I have to do some work here |
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| 01:15.42 | jim | I'll be missing lunar eclipses that go late |
| 01:15.47 | AussieHatter | cron is showing me (root) CMD (/bin/backup.sh) |
| 01:15.52 | shad0w1e | will dd work? |
| 01:16.03 | shad0w1e | wait, cant i do this too: |
| 01:16.03 | jim | not sure. |
| 01:16.07 | shad0w1e | root (hd0,0) |
| 01:16.08 | AussieHatter | in /var/log/syslog, but is not running in ps xa, I cant see why |
| 01:16.09 | shad0w1e | setup (hd1) |
| 01:16.33 | jim | maybe. |
| 01:16.45 | jim | if you used setup to get it onto hd0 |
| 01:16.49 | n3kl | any large drive filesystem recomendations? xfs, jfs, reiserfs, ext3? |
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| 01:16.57 | shad0w1e | presumably setup got it onto hd0, yes |
| 01:17.01 | jim | it should work |
| 01:17.03 | shad0w1e | the system is booting |
| 01:17.23 | shad0w1e | the question is this: when you do root(hd0,0) |
| 01:17.27 | shad0w1e | it sets the root as whatever |
| 01:17.35 | jim | xfs will require you to have a UPS battery backup... if you don't and you lose power... you'll likely lose data |
| 01:17.41 | spockboy | n3kl: what are you storing on the filesystem? |
| 01:17.43 | shad0w1e | when you do the setup(), is that recorded in the boot setup, or is that simply just telling it where to set it up? |
| 01:18.01 | shad0w1e | since right now im setting it up as hd1, but in the event of a fail, itll be hd0 |
| 01:18.12 | n3kl | spockboy: junk mostly, |
| 01:18.33 | jim | see, I've been disliking stage1.5s lately, favoring stage2 only setups |
| 01:18.44 | jim | stage1.5 never works for me |
| 01:19.18 | jim | it's probably because I'm missing a piece of info |
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| 01:19.45 | jim | but I'm happy with the way my boxes are working |
| 01:20.38 | n3kl | spockboy: any ideas? |
| 01:21.17 | spockboy | n3kl: I'd just go with ext3 or reiser. something popular |
| 01:21.25 | spockboy | doesn't sound like you actually need anything specific |
| 01:21.38 | jim | so, my two general questions... why use a stage1.5? what do people think of the new grub? |
| 01:22.30 | shad0w1e | ok thanks everyone for the help |
| 01:22.41 | enouf | jim a) no reason to , b) not too much, it's different, new features, but as usual major changes are a bit hard sell ;-) |
| 01:22.55 | n3kl | spockboy: not really. I would like stability, like, *never* crash and not incredibly slow response. |
| 01:23.16 | enouf | jim: b) no stageX anymore, everything modular, can do emulation boots |
| 01:23.17 | spockboy | n3kl: *never* crash? wouldn't we all like that :-) |
| 01:23.28 | n3kl | spockboy: yeah =] |
| 01:23.48 | enouf | jim: hd0,0 == hd0,1 .. no more hd0,0 :-P |
| 01:23.56 | jim | enouf: are you using it on any box you have? |
| 01:24.10 | enouf | jim: no, but i compiled it and made a floppy |
| 01:24.18 | jim | I compiled it once |
| 01:24.19 | spockboy | n3kl: if you're worried about data loss, then you do backups. if you're worried about copying files slowly, then make sure you get a fast drive, SATAII or something :-) |
| 01:24.32 | shad0w1e | 10,000rpm :) |
| 01:24.32 | jim | when I was hanging on #grub last year sometime |
| 01:24.35 | enouf | i booted the floppy, got stuck .. gave up for now ;-) |
| 01:24.39 | jim | it built |
| 01:24.42 | enouf | same here |
| 01:25.00 | jim | I didn't go further because I like the grub shell too much :) |
| 01:25.30 | n3kl | spockboy: yeah, its built on a software raid with sata disks. Eventually I will expand this filesystem to over 1T |
| 01:25.33 | jim | I want to be able to do manual boots |
| 01:25.33 | enouf | as i said , familiarity breeds tradition ;-) (indirectly) |
| 01:25.46 | jim | and I'm not wanting to give that up |
| 01:25.51 | shad0w1e | ok my trick didn't work |
| 01:26.02 | jim | the setup thing? |
| 01:26.17 | shad0w1e | yep, setup (hd1) didnt work |
| 01:26.22 | shad0w1e | i took drive 0 out and drive 1 wont boot |
| 01:26.27 | shad0w1e | says GRUB ERROR |
| 01:26.32 | jim | which one? |
| 01:26.37 | shad0w1e | dont remmeber |
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| 01:26.47 | shad0w1e | but what im doing now is booting off a live cd and installing grub on that second drive |
| 01:26.49 | jim | oh, that could help, you know :) |
| 01:26.49 | enouf | not smart |
| 01:26.55 | shad0w1e | then ill stop |
| 01:26.55 | shad0w1e | why |
| 01:27.21 | shad0w1e | i was assuming the MBR isnt raided |
| 01:27.26 | jim | wuts knoght smartt? |
| 01:27.34 | enouf | oh, for failure testing, yes, then install grub on your remaining |
| 01:27.50 | shad0w1e | ahh i wasnt gona let the system completely boot, that would put the raids out of sync |
| 01:27.50 | enouf | it isn't |
| 01:28.03 | shad0w1e | just wanted to fix up that mbr on the second drive |
| 01:28.08 | enouf | right |
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| 01:28.16 | shad0w1e | oh wait |
| 01:28.23 | shad0w1e | my stupid live cd requires me to garrrr |
| 01:28.27 | shad0w1e | mount the drive |
| 01:28.33 | shad0w1e | and chroot |
| 01:28.35 | shad0w1e | to run grub |
| 01:28.37 | shad0w1e | is this a bad move? |
| 01:28.39 | jim | garrrr! |
| 01:28.41 | enouf | yeah, so? |
| 01:28.51 | shad0w1e | i was hoping to not mount that drive when the raid isnt together |
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| 01:29.01 | jim | I wan't required to garrrr... |
| 01:29.09 | shad0w1e | shud i do it!? |
| 01:29.29 | shad0w1e | oh wait i can mount it ro |
| 01:29.31 | shad0w1e | :) |
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| 01:29.55 | jim | is there any way you could peel off enough on each drive for a separate /boot? |
| 01:29.59 | enouf | well, be careful, if you let it install stage2 and stuff, it might overwrite what you have in /boot/grub .. or it might check for exisitng, i forget |
| 01:30.15 | shad0w1e | ill mount it ro |
| 01:30.21 | enouf | er |
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| 01:30.28 | tengulre | anybody use thttpd here? |
| 01:30.31 | enouf | try the grub shell |
| 01:30.40 | shad0w1e | ? |
| 01:30.42 | enouf | not grub-install |
| 01:30.55 | shad0w1e | i always use grub shell |
| 01:30.55 | enouf | make a grub floppy or cd, and use that |
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| 01:31.22 | jim | you should find out exactly what setup (thingy) does |
| 01:31.31 | shad0w1e | lol |
| 01:31.43 | jim | and/or you should consider using install |
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| 01:32.59 | shad0w1e | is the raid smart enough that if i take it apart and modify a peice , itll know |
| 01:33.00 | shad0w1e | ? |
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| 01:33.23 | n3kl | is it possible to resize xfs? |
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| 01:33.30 | enouf | shad0w1e: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/rootnoverify.html |
| 01:33.33 | akuwamari | how can i install GTK+ using Synaptic ? |
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| 01:33.45 | klhrevolution | heh |
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| 01:34.04 | klhrevolution | if your able to use synaptic you should have gtk installed already |
| 01:34.07 | shad0w1e | ohhh nice! |
| 01:34.10 | shad0w1e | too late for that tho |
| 01:34.11 | shad0w1e | :( |
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| 01:34.21 | pablo | hi, someone knows if there is a package with gtkspell for python? |
| 01:34.55 | akuwamari | how can i know if is installed, i am searching using synaptyc, but can't find |
| 01:35.08 | enouf | shad0w1e: oh, btw, likely for your dd command to suffice you'd want the 1st 63 sectors |
| 01:35.25 | shad0w1e | too late for that too :( |
| 01:35.31 | enouf | shad0w1e: bs=512 count=63 :-P |
| 01:35.42 | shad0w1e | ok so I booted off a live cd, chrooted into it, and fixed grub that way |
| 01:35.53 | shad0w1e | although i chrooted into sda1, not md0 |
| 01:36.09 | shad0w1e | linux shows the raid as still okay, should I trust it, or force a rebuild? |
| 01:36.10 | enouf | ok, right, you have no md0 at this point |
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| 01:36.37 | shad0w1e | meaning, i stuck both drives back in, and booted back in normally, and its showing my raid as being okay |
| 01:36.48 | enouf | wait, you said you removed one of two disks? put them back in correct order ;-) |
| 01:36.53 | enouf | good |
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| 01:36.59 | shad0w1e | i def put them back in correct order |
| 01:37.15 | shad0w1e | my concern is that since i mounted one drive by itself, as sda1, not md0, and installed grub, perhaps the disks are out of sync now |
| 01:37.32 | enouf | perhaps - it's your call |
| 01:37.43 | shad0w1e | i think i should rebuild :) |
| 01:37.44 | shad0w1e | thanlks |
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| 01:42.11 | enouf | i think i should stop watching this hot ballroom dancing when giving raid array advice, O.o |
| 01:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:42.38 | enouf | the blood is in all the wrong places :-p |
| 01:42.41 | jim | otherwise you'll be talking about hot swappable legs |
| 01:42.48 | amphi | 'hot ballroom dancing'? dear ghod |
| 01:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's ghod? :0 |
| 01:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | "mind speling"? |
| 01:43.22 | amphi | !:e |
| 01:43.22 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 01:43.36 | enouf | well, i had to throw hot in there, so you don't think it's old folks dancing to big band O_O |
| 01:43.59 | jim | there's even a ballad called "old folks" |
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| 01:44.32 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: it's pronounced 'fod' |
| 01:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be phod |
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| 01:45.04 | jim | so we can talk about ghodder for trollage... |
| 01:45.12 | enouf | these legs and hips are just .. well .. stupendous! ;-) |
| 01:45.14 | amphi | heh |
| 01:45.27 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: no, like 'ghoti' |
| 01:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, goth |
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| 01:45.45 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: pronounced 'fish', obviously |
| 01:46.00 | enouf | abe? |
| 01:46.13 | amphi | gbs iirc |
| 01:47.01 | enouf | ok, so does anyone else use a hair blow dryer as a portable heater? :-P |
| 01:47.43 | enouf | Nyle: 1875 watts can keep you cozy ;-) |
| 01:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, but a gas stove as a stationary one |
| 01:47.59 | enouf | right - but mine's a bit far ;-) |
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| 01:50.26 | Tramp | enouf: a bit noisy though, isn't it? |
| 01:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, nobody asked ANYTHING for minutes |
| 01:50.46 | enouf | Tramp: i have nice audio gear ;-) but yeah |
| 01:51.16 | whalesalad | Hey guys, having a hard time with apt-get right now. Keep running into a public key problem. Never seen this before. Any idea on how to fix it? |
| 01:51.33 | enouf | whalesalad: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 01:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't you use some of these noise-cancelling earthings make it apparently silent? |
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| 01:52.06 | enouf | i could just let the trolls out of the basement, and let their noise drown out all else :-P |
| 01:52.17 | whalesalad | I am playing with sid stuff, can't seem to get help from that bot re: sid |
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| 01:52.29 | enouf | s/basment/dungeon |
| 01:52.53 | enouf | how about an error message whalesalad |
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| 01:53.15 | whalesalad | W: GPG error: http://sidux.com sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: |
| 01:53.19 | enouf | whalesalad: /msg dpkg break me |
| 01:53.32 | enouf | er, sidux is not debian |
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| 01:53.40 | jim | whalesalad: sid is overrated, understable, unsupported and unsupportable, and not sidux! |
| 01:53.54 | whalesalad | oops, didn't know that, sorry. hate to be the noob in the channel |
| 01:54.06 | enouf | try #sidux maybe |
| 01:54.11 | jim | not like you're first or last |
| 01:54.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be "!based on debian", I guess |
| 01:54.29 | enouf | and atleast not a b0z0 once you find out ;-) |
| 01:54.31 | whalesalad | I have an old sarge server with layeredtech that I am about to cancel, and its partially etch right now. I am gonna cancel it soon so I thought it would be fun to do a massive update to see if it survives |
| 01:54.50 | whalesalad | I was looking around for sources.list crap and found that. Where can I get my hands on the etch stuff? |
| 01:55.10 | enouf | !sarge->etch |
| 01:55.11 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
| 01:55.19 | KL | hi everybody, i have a little question, can I makel in the master harddrive the partitions /, swap, /home and in ANOTHER disk (slave) the /usr one and use it normally once in the system? |
| 01:55.37 | enouf | KL: sure |
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| 01:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | KL: makes kind of more sense to have /home separate... |
| 01:56.07 | enouf | well, not for ro purposes :-P |
| 01:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatcha mean? |
| 01:56.36 | KL | CutMeOwnThroat : im thinking to /usr more than /home... |
| 01:56.38 | enouf | did i mention all the cute cheeks i've seen tonight? O.o |
| 01:56.38 | billybobobo | you could ro any drive or partition, tho |
| 01:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | cheeks? In their faces or on their backs |
| 01:57.19 | enouf | billybobobo: right - but /home wouldn't be ro, like .. ever ;-) not that /usr usually is |
| 01:57.31 | billybobobo | true enouf |
| 01:57.35 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll let you interpret ;-) |
| 01:57.53 | billybobobo | facial cheeks aren't generally cute enough to bother with |
| 01:58.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ro? == read-only? |
| 01:58.14 | billybobobo | yeah |
| 01:58.18 | enouf | legs+hips=face? nope ;-) |
| 01:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: you spoke of cheeks :) |
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| 01:58.33 | enouf | well, not as i was referring to ... oh nm |
| 01:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the cheek of it |
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| 02:00.55 | enouf | Tramp: forced hot air always sucked anyways, especially with a cold floor ;-) |
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| 02:01.30 | enouf | i might just have to rip all this up and install radiant floor heat \o/ |
| 02:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | or watch more hot chicks |
| 02:01.59 | jim | you mean put heatng elements in the floor? |
| 02:02.25 | Nyle | http://linuxlookup.com/linux_distributions <-- look where debian is |
| 02:02.38 | Nyle | and then try to find ubuntu |
| 02:02.45 | enouf | and where is it on distrowatch? |
| 02:02.51 | Tramp | enouf: yeah. Heated floor is the best! |
| 02:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: they're both in the poll to the right :-P |
| 02:03.00 | enouf | Tramp: f'ken A |
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| 02:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: it's sorted, what we technically call alpha-beti-cal |
| 02:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
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| 02:04.14 | Nyle | The success of Debian GNU/Linux can be illustrated by the following numbers. It is developed by over 1,000 volunteer developers, its software repositories contain more than 20,000 packages (compiled for 11 processor architectures), and it is responsible for inspiring over 120 Debian-based distributions and live CDs. |
| 02:04.20 | Nyle | beautiful |
| 02:04.40 | Nyle | thats beyond holy shit. |
| 02:05.16 | karsten | Nyle: At this point, if we keep up, there'll be more Debian-derived distros than RH packages.... |
| 02:05.23 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:05.31 | billybobobo | its as inspiring and bountiful as... dirt? |
| 02:05.33 | billybobobo | :) |
| 02:05.40 | Nyle | we're made of dirt |
| 02:05.44 | Nyle | aren't we? |
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| 02:05.53 | Nyle | according to some faiths |
| 02:05.55 | billybobobo | everything is but software, i think :) |
| 02:06.01 | Nyle | we are also software |
| 02:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | is mandrake redhat-based? |
| 02:07.00 | Nyle | everything has been programmed by He whos is called I Am |
| 02:07.02 | Nyle | muahaha |
| 02:07.07 | billybobobo | mandriva was once mandrake, which was once redhat-based... but its still RPMs, but its own thing |
| 02:07.42 | billybobobo | i don't know much about it, never spun it up |
| 02:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... then this list has debian + 2 debian based distros and redhat + 2 redhat-based distros and only 3 others... interesting selection... kind of |
| 02:08.12 | billybobobo | the 2008 desktop and 2007 desktop were supposed to be good tho. a real KDE distro, which is nice |
| 02:08.25 | SerajewelKS | OT: what kind of memory does a dell inspiron 4150 take? |
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| 02:08.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: got one? dmidecode |
| 02:08.44 | SerajewelKS | trying to purchase an upgrade and i can't find any websice^D^D111te with this info |
| 02:08.49 | enouf | or just google |
| 02:08.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's not running debian |
| 02:08.57 | Nyle | MEPIS Linux was first announced in 2003 by Warren Woodford and his company, MEPIS LLC. The idea was to turn the Debian unstable branch into a beginner-friendly distribution, complete with automatic hardware configuration, support for popular media formats, and latest software packages. |
| 02:08.58 | enouf | ... |
| 02:08.59 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i have been googling for a half hour |
| 02:09.05 | Nyle | what a horrible idea |
| 02:09.07 | Nyle | sid? |
| 02:09.08 | enouf | SerajewelKS: motherboard manual PDF |
| 02:09.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: 'just rtrying to get an upgrade on newegg |
| 02:09.13 | Nyle | I mean c'mon, testing even, but sid? |
| 02:09.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: not debian? windows? everest |
| 02:09.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: haha, right, i know wha t the motherboard mfg is :) |
| 02:09.38 | SerajewelKS | windows, yeah |
| 02:09.47 | SerajewelKS | i can ask ##harkware of course |
| 02:09.49 | SerajewelKS | hardware too |
| 02:09.50 | enouf | free everest, cpu-z, etc |
| 02:09.55 | SerajewelKS | damn OSX terminal |
| 02:10.06 | enouf | they'll just end up doing your work - you do it ;-) |
| 02:10.31 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i have no clue where to look... |
| 02:10.41 | enouf | i told you where |
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| 02:10.55 | Nyle | There is a saying in the Linux community that if you learn Red Hat, you'll know Red Hat, but if you learn Slackware, you'll know Linux. This is particularly true today when many other Linux distributions keep developing heavily customised products to meet the needs of less technical Linux users. |
| 02:11.04 | Nyle | I think this applies heavily to debian |
| 02:11.12 | Nyle | due to apt/aptitude/dpkg etc. etc. |
| 02:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and when you learn debian, you learn nothing... |
| 02:11.47 | billybobobo | ouch |
| 02:11.48 | enouf | SerajewelKS: 1st hit on google Dell Inspiron Memory - Inspiron 4150 Laptop Memory Upgrade Memory Upgrade for Dell Inspiron 4150, the Dell Inspiron 4150 takes the PC2100 DDR SDRAM SODIMMs Memory Type, and comes installed with 256 MB of Memory. ... |
| 02:12.00 | billybobobo | but you learn how easy it all can be :) ? |
| 02:12.02 | enouf | your google-fu is non-existant |
| 02:12.22 | Nyle | sometimes I get stumped too |
| 02:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | billybobobo: well, yes, that's why you learn nothing :) |
| 02:12.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: search phrase --> dell inspiron 4150 "specifications" DDR SDRAM |
| 02:12.28 | Nyle | I can't think of what to search for |
| 02:12.39 | Nyle | but error messages and obvious things are just given |
| 02:12.40 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 02:13.04 | Nyle | you wnna know what your pc has, look the model or serial # on gogole |
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| 02:13.48 | amphi | hmm, dead souls |
| 02:14.11 | enouf | add site:dell.com for max affect :-P |
| 02:14.34 | enouf | or reboot into BIOS setup :-) |
| 02:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | just one advice: "don't add 'mp3' to the search terms" |
| 02:15.27 | SerajewelKS | enouf: which meanddr sdram? |
| 02:15.29 | SerajewelKS | means* |
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| 02:15.59 | enouf | SerajewelKS: DDR is SDRAM, but not all SDRAM is DDR |
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| 02:16.07 | enouf | "the Dell Inspiron 4150 takes the PC2100 DDR SDRAM SODIMMs Memory " from above |
| 02:16.46 | enouf | there's DDR-SDRAM and SDR-SDRAM, the latter applying to my p2 with pc100/133 ;-) |
| 02:16.54 | enouf | ddr == double data rate |
| 02:17.01 | enouf | sdr == ? SerajewelKS |
| 02:17.39 | enouf | if you were using debian, i could show you some fun stuff with decode-dimms ;-) |
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| 02:17.48 | enouf | but sigh - you aren't - you weenie |
| 02:18.05 | hdevalence | is there a way to have one APT going and just downloading stuff (with -d ) and still be able to occasionally use another apt process to install minor things? |
| 02:18.21 | enouf | hdevalence: apt doesn't install |
| 02:18.28 | enouf | hdevalence: dpkg does |
| 02:18.53 | hdevalence | apt tells dpkg what to install though, right? |
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| 02:19.03 | enouf | but as to your question diretly? not sure |
| 02:19.16 | hdevalence | I'm guessing what I've asked is not possible |
| 02:19.20 | enouf | hdevalence: apt-get is a frontend to dpkg, so yeah |
| 02:19.42 | jim | hdevalence: yes, or libsomething |
| 02:19.50 | enouf | apt-get fetches things, basically |
| 02:19.53 | hdevalence | i see |
| 02:20.07 | jim | and figures out what to fetch in many cases |
| 02:20.15 | hdevalence | does apt-get also do dependencies or is that dpkg? |
| 02:20.25 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's my mom's laptop, i'm not the weenie :) |
| 02:20.27 | enouf | right, it is advanced after all ;-) |
| 02:20.31 | SerajewelKS | enouf: anyway i think i have the info i need |
| 02:20.45 | enouf | SerajewelKS: you behave as one though ;-) |
| 02:20.54 | enouf | no offense to your moms :-) |
| 02:21.12 | hdevalence | is there a difference between apt-get install package and aptitude install package (in the end result)? |
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| 02:21.26 | enouf | !aptitude |
| 02:21.26 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 02:21.37 | enouf | hdevalence: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 02:21.46 | enouf | hdevalence: /msg dpkg reference |
| 02:21.46 | hdevalence | ok |
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| 02:22.05 | hdevalence | is there a page where I can see all the things I can ask dpkg? |
| 02:22.12 | dkr | doh, upgraded an old remote sarge system to etch, rebooted and it never came back up. lol, and now it comes up right after Igave up hope |
| 02:22.18 | jim | well the end result of the aptitude one will include the group of packages what were installed as a result of installing the one package the user asked for |
| 02:22.20 | enouf | i personally am sticking with apt-get, but that's each users option |
| 02:22.32 | jim | err trying again |
| 02:22.40 | hdevalence | my main issue is not enough internets |
| 02:22.47 | zamez | hi, I'm trying to rescue a server with a broken lilo using an install CD, I'd like to just boot into it, I tried rescue root=/dev/hda1 but it runs the installer in rescue mode anyway |
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| 02:22.54 | enouf | not enough Bandwidth you mean? |
| 02:22.58 | SerajewelKS | enouf: how so? |
| 02:23.09 | zamez | is there a way to get it to boot using init etc. on the hard disk? |
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| 02:23.18 | enouf | SerajewelKS: how to t-shoot - only weenies don't know how ;-) |
| 02:23.33 | jim | well the end result of the aptitude one will include >>> a record of <<< the group of packages what were installed as a result of installing the one package the user asked for >>> stored somewhere so that aptitude can do things with that info <<< |
| 02:23.58 | hdevalence | enouf: I'm getting b/w 60 and 130 kB/s .. it's not too bad, but I'm impatient :) |
| 02:24.04 | enouf | SerajewelKS: please, let's drop it, but i just mean, when one tact isn't working try a different one |
| 02:24.20 | enouf | hdevalence: go do something else ;-) |
| 02:24.39 | jim | what's the normal rate you get? |
| 02:25.13 | enouf | hdevalence: or get better bandwidth ;-) |
| 02:25.28 | enouf | hdevalence: try local mirrors? |
| 02:26.13 | enouf | jim: iinm, recent apt versions also do that - maybe i'm mistaken |
| 02:26.54 | enouf | i know the recent versions install recommends as per default as aptitude does, again, iinm |
| 02:26.58 | jim | enouf: right, probably post etch |
| 02:27.04 | enouf | jim: definitely |
| 02:27.11 | enouf | post_etch |
| 02:27.25 | hdevalence | enouf: it's a problem on my end .. at my friend's it's better |
| 02:27.33 | jim | if you have a post etch, better see a doctor! |
| 02:27.34 | zamez | the broken lilo does L99 99 99 ... |
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| 02:27.54 | enouf | zamez: wow, haven't seen that in ages |
| 02:28.01 | enouf | !99 |
| 02:28.01 | dpkg | somebody said 99 was the number of the Deitys |
| 02:28.05 | enouf | haha |
| 02:28.16 | jim | zamez: so man lilo and see what that means... L means first stage loaded ok I think |
| 02:28.29 | jim | !deity |
| 02:28.30 | dpkg | [deity] a graphical package manager, or deity-curses is a non-graphical version (thank goodness) |
| 02:28.34 | enouf | heh - listvals 99 == Factoid search of '99' by value (15 of 1412) |
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| 02:29.44 | zamez | the man isn't much help |
| 02:29.54 | jim | try the woman |
| 02:30.00 | zamez | :> |
| 02:30.09 | zamez | 99 invalid second stage index sector (LILO) |
| 02:30.22 | jim | ahh, so it did say something |
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| 02:30.30 | hdevalence | thanks for the help and advice |
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| 02:30.46 | enouf | !qotd 199 |
| 02:30.58 | enouf | !qotd199 |
| 02:30.58 | dpkg | i heard qotd199 is <wols_> vzrb a devuab betubstakk CD <wols_> *burn a dbeian netinstall CD <jelly> wols_: you're drifting to the right... republican? <wols_> jelly: my equipment drifts to the left. anarchist |
| 02:31.00 | jim | so the lilo install probably got overwritten |
| 02:31.08 | jim | or files moved around or like that |
| 02:31.15 | zamez | tried re-running it |
| 02:31.25 | enouf | lilo -r ? |
| 02:31.32 | enouf | hold SHIFT at boot ? |
| 02:32.05 | enouf | like how you circumvent MPoop Autorun for CDs ;-) |
| 02:32.34 | zamez | don't think -r would help, I ran it with the real root |
| 02:32.44 | zamez | it doesn't get far enough for shift |
| 02:32.59 | zamez | I'm out of ideas what it could be |
| 02:33.08 | zamez | I think I will try installing grub instead |
| 02:33.24 | zinx | good move |
| 02:33.25 | zamez | unfortunately I don't have physical access |
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| 02:33.57 | enouf | how does it not get far enough for shift? lol |
| 02:34.15 | enouf | you reboot, and once POST completes, you press and hold SHIFT |
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| 02:34.28 | enouf | oh, remote? |
| 02:34.30 | enouf | nm |
| 02:34.42 | zamez | yeah, but even so it doesn't finish loading LILO |
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| 02:34.50 | zamez | only does the 1st stage or something |
| 02:34.57 | enouf | you should get a menu or something |
| 02:35.06 | enouf | tldp.org lilo |
| 02:35.43 | enouf | does your BIOS settings suck? what's the history man |
| 02:36.02 | enouf | i mean, you give no background whatsoever |
| 02:36.03 | zamez | is there a way to get an install CD to boot the kernel and then the rest from hard disk? |
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| 02:36.23 | enouf | it could be a FiberChannel Hardware RAID for all we know ;-) |
| 02:36.40 | zamez | ok, it's just one hard disk |
| 02:36.44 | enouf | more |
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| 02:36.51 | zamez | about a year ago that was upgraded |
| 02:36.59 | zamez | it's possible some mistake was made then |
| 02:37.01 | enouf | why and how did you end up with LiLo? |
| 02:37.03 | zamez | but it's been rebooted since |
| 02:37.11 | zamez | the machine is old, always had lilo |
| 02:37.17 | enouf | ok, so what's running? sarge? |
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| 02:37.43 | enouf | stand alone? server? desktop? |
| 02:37.45 | zamez | no, 4.0 |
| 02:37.46 | zamez | server |
| 02:38.21 | enouf | did you upgrade and not reboot fairly recently? |
| 02:38.23 | zamez | my theory is that sometime since the last reboot (maybe 1/2 year ago), I did apt-get upgrade which got a new lilo |
| 02:38.30 | zamez | and something went wrong |
| 02:38.49 | enouf | yesh |
| 02:39.43 | enouf | how about reviewing the Debian.README and whatever accompanying docs |
| 02:39.43 | Tramp | !rescue mode |
| 02:39.43 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 02:39.50 | Tramp | this does not help? |
| 02:39.56 | enouf | nice Tramp |
| 02:40.05 | zamez | tried that, and reinstalling lilo |
| 02:40.07 | enouf | forgot about rescue{gui} |
| 02:40.09 | zamez | that didn't help |
| 02:40.17 | Jrabbit | If I have some shoddy stuff going on with opengl 3d games whats going on? |
| 02:40.30 | Jrabbit | Like they blink to black every few miliseconds |
| 02:40.32 | dkr | the release notes say to "review the contents of your /etc/kernel-img.conf and make sure that you have do_bootloader = Yes in it. That way the bootloader will always be rerun after a kernel upgrade" |
| 02:40.35 | enouf | zamez: regular partitions? or raid, lvm, crypt? |
| 02:40.56 | enouf | yes, i heard one disk, but you never know ;-) |
| 02:40.59 | zamez | regular |
| 02:41.09 | Tramp | zamez: well but ... what are you expecting to achieve? Did you verify that your partitions are still there and the HW is ok? |
| 02:41.26 | enouf | well, did you have a power failure? |
| 02:41.27 | zamez | yes, they are there, hw seems ok |
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| 02:41.57 | Tramp | zamez: then you reinstalled lilo and had the same problem again? Well, in this case, it may be more than lilo which is broken |
| 02:42.00 | enouf | i mean, iirc, that error is also related to BIOS since LiLo is more intimately attached to it |
| 02:42.16 | zamez | yes, power failure |
| 02:42.21 | enouf | ugh |
| 02:42.44 | enouf | boot into BIOS, load setup defaults, clear and ESCD, etc |
| 02:42.52 | enouf | s/and/any |
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| 02:43.09 | zamez | I'll try that, thanks |
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| 02:43.13 | enouf | have you fsck your HDD? |
| 02:43.20 | zamez | no |
| 02:43.32 | enouf | well, that's what livecds and rescue are for ;-) |
| 02:43.41 | noseman | exist a way to install ossim-framework with php5? |
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| 02:44.34 | enouf | i mean, it's possible, i suppose your BIOS CMOS battery died and lost it's settings, but that's a last resort |
| 02:44.38 | enouf | and a long shot |
| 02:44.47 | enouf | especially with a power failure |
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| 02:44.55 | enouf | i mean - as the culprit |
| 02:45.02 | zamez | ok |
| 02:45.08 | voltagex | hi, trying to get my iSight in my MacBook to work... I've compiled linux-uvc and modprobed uvcvideo as well as grabbing the firmware, but I'm getting "no valid video chain" |
| 02:45.11 | pablo | hi, apt is installing more packages than specified in the dependencies. how can i solve this? |
| 02:45.19 | zamez | if only I had the machine here |
| 02:45.25 | zamez | doing it all over the phone is great |
| 02:45.30 | enouf | pablo: depends have depends |
| 02:45.47 | enouf | zamez: right .. consultant fees ftw \o/ |
| 02:46.21 | voltagex | any ideas on how to get my isight camera working? |
| 02:46.23 | zamez | :) |
| 02:46.32 | pablo | enouf: i know, it is instaling more packages anyway |
| 02:46.34 | enouf | pablo: and some of them wear diapers :-P |
| 02:46.50 | zinx | voltagex: did you try with luvcview? |
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| 02:47.02 | zinx | voltagex: the linux-uvc driver is pretty terrible, tbh |
| 02:47.03 | noseman | ossim-framework with php5, any ideas? |
| 02:47.05 | enouf | pablo: welcome to a binary package manager based system |
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| 02:47.12 | zinx | voltagex: luvcview is just about the only thing it works with |
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| 02:47.45 | voltagex | zinx: there is no /dev/video0 |
| 02:47.47 | enouf | pablo: do you really think you can resolve dependency issues better? |
| 02:48.10 | zinx | voltagex: ah, then it's probably not a uvc device |
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| 02:48.33 | voltagex | zinx: ermm, it's either a 1st or second gen Macbook with built in iSight |
| 02:48.46 | enouf | er /dev/raw ? i know nothing of gadgets Gidget |
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| 02:49.00 | enouf | ieee1394 ? |
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| 02:49.07 | zinx | voltagex: that or uvcvideo isn't properly hooking all video class devices.. which honestly wouldn't surprise me |
| 02:49.18 | Baco1 | My OpenGL doesn't recognize any hardware acceleration, I have an nvidia 8600GT and the latest official drivers. |
| 02:49.22 | ivan_ | hey.. i cant change my password it say sometime like Feb 21 03:19:27 vscientific03 passwd(pam_unix)[1051]: new password not acceptable on /var/log/messages |
| 02:49.30 | voltagex | zinx: ...:( |
| 02:49.56 | zinx | voltagex: what's the usb id on that thing? |
| 02:49.56 | voltagex | zinx: any options? other than buying a new camera which would be really dumb |
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| 02:50.01 | voltagex | zinx: err. |
| 02:50.14 | voltagex | Bus 005 Device 007: ID 05ac:8501 Apple Computer, Inc. |
| 02:50.38 | voltagex | I *think*. It says iSight just underneath that |
| 02:51.56 | zinx | voltagex: did you get isight-firmware-tools? |
| 02:52.11 | voltagex | zinx: yes, and isight-fw is in the /lib/firmware directory |
| 02:52.23 | voltagex | zinx: apparently the udev rule needs to be manually edited |
| 02:53.24 | voltagex | zinx: wtf... I don't have ift-load |
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| 02:53.55 | voltagex | no wonder. |
| 02:54.39 | pablo | enouf: how can it be i install pidgin, and it installs libvisual-0.4-0, later i remove libvisual-0.4-0, and pidgin continues ok |
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| 02:55.06 | H2S04 | pablo: its porbably a recommended pacakge |
| 02:55.12 | Jrabbit | Trying to install kde4 onto a testing machine |
| 02:55.35 | Jrabbit | It complains that the other packages are all 3.5 |
| 02:55.37 | voltagex | /usr/src/isight-firmware-tools-1.0.1/src/extract.c:381: undefined reference to `g_option_context_get_help' |
| 02:55.40 | Jrabbit | I added experimental |
| 02:55.40 | voltagex | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 02:55.43 | voltagex | oops |
| 02:55.46 | pablo | H2S04: and why is it installed? |
| 02:55.48 | voltagex | zinx: ^ any ideas? |
| 02:55.52 | Jrabbit | and pinned it below testing? |
| 02:55.59 | Jrabbit | Did i do something wrong? |
| 02:56.13 | H2S04 | pablo: because you haven't configured apt to not install recommended packages |
| 02:56.30 | pablo | H2S04: how do i configure it to do so? |
| 02:56.36 | zinx | voltagex: nope |
| 02:56.58 | H2S04 | pablo: man apt.conf |
| 02:57.44 | voltagex | zinx: :/ |
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| 02:59.50 | damog | :s |
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| 03:00.24 | pablo | H2S04: mm, do you have it configured in order to install recommended packages? |
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| 03:02.09 | voltagex | zinx: I found someone who built hardy packages, which has a newer libc than etch, any ideas how to build the package if I have the orig.tar.gz ? |
| 03:02.44 | Tramp | !tell JonathanX about away |
| 03:02.53 | pablo | hi, how can i do apt do nt install recommended packages? |
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| 03:03.21 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex: what are you people trying to accomplish? I am pretty good at this stuff... |
| 03:04.09 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: isight-firmware-tools for etch |
| 03:04.22 | voltagex | my glib dev package is too old apparently |
| 03:04.41 | RyanRyan52 | so why don't you update it? :P |
| 03:04.49 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: any ideas where from? |
| 03:05.10 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: would I break anything by compiling from source? |
| 03:05.34 | RyanRyan52 | compiling libc from source? yes' |
| 03:05.44 | RyanRyan52 | err, glib |
| 03:06.04 | RyanRyan52 | there are way too many programs who need that version |
| 03:06.47 | RyanRyan52 | If you;re talking about isight-firmware-tools from source, it would not hurt anything |
| 03:07.16 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: glib |
| 03:07.23 | RyanRyan52 | no... |
| 03:07.30 | pablo | hi, how can i do apt do nt install recommended packages? |
| 03:07.56 | voltagex | pablo: why on earth would you do that? |
| 03:08.05 | AlohaCalifornia | bleh, stupid usb crap |
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| 03:08.33 | voltagex | also, pablo what is your native language? |
| 03:08.45 | AlohaCalifornia | Anyone familiar w/ the D2XX drivers by FTDI? |
| 03:08.52 | pablo | voltagex: why? |
| 03:09.08 | voltagex | pablo: there is probably a debian channel in your native language |
| 03:09.46 | zinx | voltagex: if you have the .orig, the .dsc, and the .changes or whatever, dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo/ && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 03:09.59 | zinx | voltagex: you may need -b, not sure |
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| 03:10.20 | voltagex | zinx: bah, missing dsc and .changes |
| 03:10.22 | zinx | voltagex: but unless there are patches to make it not use the missing function, that's not going to help much |
| 03:10.40 | zinx | voltagex: by the naming, it's probably a glib function |
| 03:11.00 | pablo | debian didnt used to install recommended packages by default, when has this changed? |
| 03:11.13 | voltagex | zinx: yes, which is only in glib-2.14 or later |
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| 03:12.10 | RyanRyan52 | voltagex...see if the package is in dapper, that would a similar version of glib probably |
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| 03:13.34 | zinx | honestly, i wouldn't bother until linux-uvc is usable (it's totally not right now) |
| 03:15.18 | pablo | someone knows how to omit installing recommended packages? |
| 03:15.30 | voltagex | what the. |
| 03:15.30 | zinx | pablo: it's an option in aptitude |
| 03:15.32 | voltagex | WHAT THE! |
| 03:15.38 | voltagex | ld is gone. |
| 03:16.36 | pablo | zinx: and in apt? |
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| 03:16.42 | voltagex | I can't remove binutils to reinstall it :/ |
| 03:16.50 | zinx | pablo: apt-get? wouldn't know. i don't use that anymore. |
| 03:16.52 | voltagex | I need to remove and reinstall binutils to get ld back |
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| 03:18.35 | RyanRyan52 | YAY! I just got my brand new laptop!!! |
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| 03:18.47 | voltagex | RyanRyan52: what kind and what specs? |
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| 03:18.49 | piju | RyanRyan52; brand ? |
| 03:18.51 | RyanRyan52 | yuck...it has vista on it...not for long! |
| 03:19.05 | RyanRyan52 | ibm thinkpad 2.5 GHz core 2 due |
| 03:19.09 | RyanRyan52 | 2 GB ram |
| 03:19.12 | voltagex | oh, very nice |
| 03:19.14 | RyanRyan52 | 80GB hd |
| 03:19.19 | voltagex | not nice |
| 03:19.21 | voltagex | :P |
| 03:19.32 | voltagex | need to hook that sucker up to a NAS |
| 03:19.36 | stylus | hehe, get that doubled at least |
| 03:19.41 | RyanRyan52 | ya |
| 03:19.54 | voltagex | hmm, pablo gave up |
| 03:19.59 | voltagex | wonder what he was trying to do |
| 03:20.45 | RyanRyan52 | I don't use much...I have a server with 300GB that I usally put my stuff on (nfs) |
| 03:21.17 | GuilhermeBran1 | Does anibody know how to convert mp4 to mp3,or make xmms be able to play mp4? |
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| 03:28.11 | voltagex | http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2007-December/006871.html says I need to symlink the correct glib version, how would I do that - it's compiled and installed |
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| 03:29.16 | charzero | Am I confused, or are there no xen-enabled kernels in Lenny? |
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| 03:31.17 | ebonrai | hms.. I wonder which is revenance. |
| 03:32.32 | Baco1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.54 | ebonrai | aha, that's the one =P |
| 03:32.54 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: you do not have it installed...1 minute |
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| 03:33.35 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: sudo apt-get install mesa-utils |
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| 03:33.56 | taer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.07 | k-man | how can i find out my external ip address from the command line? |
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| 03:34.13 | Baco1 | Package mesa-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:34.13 | Baco1 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 03:34.13 | Baco1 | is only available from another source |
| 03:34.13 | Baco1 | E: Package mesa-utils has no installation candidate |
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| 03:34.41 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: etch, lenny, or sid? |
| 03:34.56 | ebonrai | he's new to irc, hangon |
| 03:35.01 | ebonrai | he got kicked >.< |
| 03:35.37 | RyanRyan52 | ohh...I don't pay attention to /joins and /part |
| 03:35.41 | ebonrai | he didn't know about the, uh, pastebin bit |
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| 03:35.59 | ebonrai | I was at a loss as to how to help him |
| 03:36.26 | ivan_ | is there anyway to make a .img file from a logical volume_ |
| 03:36.30 | ivan_ | on LVM? |
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| 03:36.55 | ebonrai | ah, he's back, RyanRyan52 |
| 03:37.22 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: etch, lenny, or sid? |
| 03:37.32 | Baco1 | Etch, as far as I know |
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| 03:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Baco1 about paste |
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| 03:38.22 | ebonrai | CutMeOwnThroat: beat you to it =P |
| 03:38.38 | ebonrai | this is pretty much his first time on IRC, as far as I know |
| 03:38.51 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: sudo apt-get update first |
| 03:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you did? privately? |
| 03:39.02 | ebonrai | CutMeOwnThroat: yes =) |
| 03:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ebonrai: ah, you're in the same room kind of? |
| 03:39.30 | ebonrai | not really. I have him in another window, using bitlbee =) |
| 03:39.39 | Baco1 | Same result |
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| 03:39.43 | ronsonol | This is beautiful... U3 offers an uninstaller for their software on USB pen drives. In order to get it from their site, you hafta go through a "what is your reason for uninstalling" survey, which includes "I use Mac OS or Linux." Once you check that, you can download the MS-ware uninstaller. |
| 03:39.58 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: what mirror are you using? |
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| 03:40.37 | Baco1 | RyanRyan52: Would that be in sources.list? |
| 03:40.44 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: yes |
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| 03:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ebonrai: anyways, there was really no reason to paste all this - it's one of the default messages and everybody using debian for a longer time has probably seen it a magnitude of times :) |
| 03:44.21 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: so....wanna pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:44.21 | ebonrai | CutMeOwnThroat: It wasn't my paste. |
| 03:44.47 | ebonrai | *I* wouldn't have pasted that =P |
| 03:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ebonrai: I'm aware of that |
| 03:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not the 2nd ... |
| 03:45.37 | Baco1 | http://paste.debian.net/49592 |
| 03:45.53 | Baco1 | Contents of my sources.list |
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| 03:46.34 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: you are only mirroring security updates! |
| 03:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the cdrom... |
| 03:47.10 | Baco1 | I'm relatively new to Linux. |
| 03:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mirrors |
| 03:47.14 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 03:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | get one close to you from that list and add it to your sources.list |
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| 03:48.14 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: use this one http://paste.debian.net/49593 |
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| 03:48.33 | kanzure | How do I forcefully upgrade libc6? |
| 03:48.37 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: then do the update and then try to install it |
| 03:48.47 | RyanRyan52 | kanzure: upgrade to lenny... |
| 03:48.58 | kanzure | RyanRyan52: how? |
| 03:49.08 | kanzure | I've done apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:49.17 | RyanRyan52 | kanzure: replace everything that says etch in /etc/apt/sources.list to lenny |
| 03:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure: but do you have lenny in your sources.list? |
| 03:49.22 | kanzure | okay |
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| 03:49.29 | RyanRyan52 | kanzure: then dist-upgrade |
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| 03:53.55 | S4nD3r | finally i came back online |
| 03:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | horay! |
| 03:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/o/oo/ |
| 04:04.28 | Baco1 | Well, I can run glxgears now and glxinfo, but no go on any 3d games, which is my end ambition |
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| 04:05.04 | nevyn | Baco1: vidcard? |
| 04:06.17 | Baco1 | 8600GT |
| 04:06.21 | S4nD3r | the netinst image is with problem when try to install grub on hd, please tell to one of developer member |
| 04:06.45 | RyanRyan52 | S4nD3r: etch or lenny? |
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| 04:07.04 | mikecc | whats the standard whois-server in the debian packaging system? |
| 04:07.09 | S4nD3r | lenny |
| 04:07.17 | RyanRyan52 | S4nD3r: known bug |
| 04:07.29 | S4nD3r | oh shit |
| 04:07.59 | S4nD3r | I must install another linux because I didnt have other CD instead this bugged image |
| 04:08.14 | S4nD3r | I installed ! |
| 04:08.39 | S4nD3r | now I have one kind of etch, I will upgrade it to lenny !!! |
| 04:11.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: don't know that exact card, but probably you need the non-free nvidia drivers |
| 04:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 04:12.19 | ebonrai | argh |
| 04:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, saves me typing the rest |
| 04:12.44 | ebonrai | I think he crashed |
| 04:12.52 | ebonrai | or.. vaguely |
| 04:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... he was in a plane? :) |
| 04:12.53 | ebonrai | i dunno |
| 04:13.07 | ebonrai | he essentially left /everything/ at once |
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| 04:13.33 | ebonrai | and.. is probably coming back, soon, I figure |
| 04:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you tell him about not touching that big button in front of his computer? :) |
| 04:13.49 | ebonrai | he's not that clueless =P |
| 04:14.11 | ebonrai | just new to linux, which isn't so much of a bad thing =P |
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| 04:14.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Baco1 about nvidia |
| 04:14.35 | lex | lol |
| 04:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: don't know that exact card, but probably you need the non-free nvidia drivers |
| 04:15.01 | ebonrai | he had actually installed them, appearantly |
| 04:15.04 | ebonrai | >.< |
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| 04:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:15.14 | ebonrai | but.. something broke, soemwhere |
| 04:15.17 | ebonrai | *somewhere |
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| 04:16.43 | Baco1 | If I run "opengl" my xserver restarts |
| 04:16.49 | ebonrai | O_o |
| 04:17.03 | ebonrai | that, my friend.. is what screen+irssi is for >.> |
| 04:17.16 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: install the nvidia driver |
| 04:17.26 | ebonrai | RyanRyan52: as far as he knew, he had |
| 04:17.40 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: how did you do it? |
| 04:17.41 | ebonrai | but, as I said, something seems to have gone.. odd. |
| 04:18.05 | Baco1 | I downloaded it from the nvidia website and ran the binary |
| 04:18.21 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: follow the debian instructions |
| 04:18.34 | RyanRyan52 | Baco1: that's the only way its ever worked for me |
| 04:18.44 | Baco1 | How do i go about removing the current installation? |
| 04:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: what does "glxinfo |grep direct" say? |
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| 04:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... I think he's caught in a revolving door kind of thingy |
| 04:21.14 | ebonrai | =P |
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| 04:21.27 | Baco1 | Killed my xserver |
| 04:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | getting dizzy? |
| 04:21.29 | ebonrai | velcome back, Baco1 =) |
| 04:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: what did? |
| 04:21.44 | ebonrai | hokay, something does not like you =P |
| 04:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: glxinfo? |
| 04:22.11 | Baco1 | Yep |
| 04:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well done, then |
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| 04:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: afaik, there is no way to remove the installation by the nvidia binary installer |
| 04:23.42 | RyanRyan52 | when I dist-upgraded my etch install to sid it gave this error when it tried to upgrade to libc6: http://paste.debian.net/49594 |
| 04:23.48 | RyanRyan52 | Anybody know what to do? |
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| 04:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: I think your only option is to follow the debian instructions... and hopefully everything will get either overwritten by that or is not accessed anymore |
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| 04:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | more revolving doors... |
| 04:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | RyanRyan52: /lib/tls?! |
| 04:27.29 | Baco1 | E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidat |
| 04:27.50 | hark | RyanRyan52: check the bts |
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| 04:28.07 | ebonrai | O_o |
| 04:28.13 | ebonrai | Baco1: you are having odd problems |
| 04:28.39 | hark | Baco1: do you have nvidia as the driver in your xorg.conf? |
| 04:28.52 | RyanRyan52 | ya...I found it...stupid bug |
| 04:29.10 | hark | !dbugs 466026 |
| 04:29.13 | dpkg | #466026:I[libc6] libc6: doesn't upgrade from etch; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:18:01 UTC |
| 04:29.29 | RyanRyan52 | I said I found it... |
| 04:29.40 | Baco1 | hark: Yes |
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| 04:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | RyanRyan52: did you see "A quick workaround is to remove /lib/tls/* and then continue the upgrade." |
| 04:33.06 | zerodamage | I have a question that hopefully someone knows what I am talking about. I recall some years ago when I used a few different version of linux and unix, I would log in and would be notified of some messages that I had received and the ability to send messages back to users locally on that machine. Is there such a thing for the debian based deals? such as ubuntu? |
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| 04:34.40 | hark | Baco1: try #nvidia |
| 04:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: what command did you use to send the messages? try apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search commandname to search for it |
| 04:35.38 | Baco1 | hark: In device section where it says driver? |
| 04:35.57 | zerodamage | cutmeownthroat: I hadn't sent any messages. I am looking for an app to handle that in the way I remember using some years ago. |
| 04:36.11 | JBstrikesagain | i upgraded from 3.1 to 4.0 now my php can't seem to connect to the mysql server. i have a phpinfo() i'm using to debug. i have no mysql section like on another server which works right. i tried uncommenting extension=mysql.so and setting the mysql socket. i can connect to the server using mysql -u root -p fine. how to check that php can connect properly? |
| 04:36.14 | hark | zerodamage: write, talk, wall ? |
| 04:36.44 | hark | Baco1: no, i meant the channel #nvidia :) |
| 04:37.13 | zerodamage | hark: huh? |
| 04:38.22 | Baco1 | hark: Oh, okay |
| 04:38.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: sounds like "email" to me... :) Never encountered someting like that |
| 04:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hark: write/talk/wall don't leave messages for users who are not present |
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| 04:39.56 | zerodamage | cutmeownthroat: What I recall most from this is that it was CLI and it would notify you via the CLI that you had messages as soon as you logged in so you could read them right away. That is what I am looking for and I imagine there has to be something like that for deb |
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| 04:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: well, the only thing like that that I know is the email notification you get from the shell... |
| 04:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: you fixed your sources.list - so you should have it... |
| 04:43.48 | zerodamage | cutmeownthroad: i've never got any such thing from the shell that I can recall. Can you elaborate? |
| 04:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hark: and I really wonder if #nvidia can tell him why nvidia-kernel-source is not found :) |
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| 04:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | JBstrikesagain: did you try to connect with the user/password combination used from PHP? |
| 04:45.22 | JBstrikesagain | CutMeOwnThroat, i figured it out it was php4-mysql wasn't installed |
| 04:45.39 | hark | CutMeOwnThroat: for his earlier problem with the nvidia driver |
| 04:45.47 | JBstrikesagain | Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20050606/mysql.so' |
| 04:45.57 | JBstrikesagain | that's what lead me to that finally |
| 04:46.06 | JBstrikesagain | i hadn';t updated this system for MONTHS |
| 04:46.13 | JBstrikesagain | so this actually went fairly smoothly |
| 04:46.17 | JBstrikesagain | i'm impressed with debian |
| 04:46.24 | JBstrikesagain | did apt-get update, upgarde, dist-upgrade |
| 04:46.32 | JBstrikesagain | and a kernel recompile |
| 04:46.46 | JBstrikesagain | i guess i can assume all my stuff is updated and not exploitable hopefully |
| 04:47.26 | hark | he probably doesen't have non-free or is running lenny |
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| 04:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: you log in and bash tells you "you got [new] mail" hm |
| 04:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hark: ah |
| 04:48.54 | zerodamage | cutme: how is that set up? I've never see it before. do I need postfix for this or something like that? |
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| 04:50.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco1: replace the "main" in your new lines in /etc/apt/sources.list by "main contrib non-free" |
| 04:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: no idea... I thought it was just part of bash(?) - but can't find any indication |
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| 04:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: oh, actually I can -> man bash ; search for MAIL |
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| 04:51.35 | voltagex | trying to get an isight going under debian, mplayer loads and the little light turns on on the camera but it spews hundreds of v4l2: ictl dequeue buffer failed: Invalid argument, idx = 0 |
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| 04:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: MAIL If this parameter is set [...] bash informs the user of the arrival of mail |
| 04:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: but I think, it should "just work" if you have a mailserver installed on the system |
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| 04:55.34 | Guerin | voltagex: #mplayer |
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| 04:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: and no, you don't need anything except bash for a shell and the MAIL variable set to the correct file |
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| 04:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | zerodamage: probably there is a tcsh equivalent to that, too, but bash seems more popular today |
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| 04:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's more than one Baco! |
| 04:57.40 | Baco2 | What? |
| 04:57.54 | Baco2 | No, my xserver died again |
| 04:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baco: so I sais: replace the "main" in your newly added lines in /etc/apt/sources.list by "main contrib non-free" - do apt-get update and it should be there |
| 04:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/sais/said |
| 05:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, night |
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| 05:02.30 | Baco2 | I got it to build from m-a auto-install nvidia, still doesn't function it seems |
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| 05:04.35 | clinton | Is there a command that will delay execution of another command until load averages reach a sane value? |
| 05:04.55 | Guerin | load averages mean nothing |
| 05:05.15 | Guerin | your box can be functionally idle with a load average of 10000 if conditions are right |
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| 05:05.41 | Baco2 | Oh dear. |
| 05:06.19 | Baco2 | I bet if I said OpenGL aloud my xserver would shutdown |
| 05:06.52 | clinton | Guerin: yes I'm aware of that. Is there a program that will monitor load levels and exit/execute when they reach certain levels? |
| 05:07.38 | Guerin | clinton: unsure. A better way would be to just run the process niced right up to 20 or something. |
| 05:07.43 | Guerin | i mean |
| 05:07.48 | Guerin | it depends what you want to achieve |
| 05:08.42 | clinton | Guerin: to execute certain programs when cpu load is low |
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| 05:09.13 | clinton | seems like a basic request... I could probably script it but I'd rather see if there is already a tool in place |
| 05:09.16 | kanzure | How do I upgrade just my kernel? |
| 05:09.59 | Guerin | clinton: it does seem basic, but my instinct is that nobody has bothered to make such a tool, because there are better ways of doing that than just measuring load average. |
| 05:10.07 | RyanRyan52 | kanzure: apt-get install linux-image-some_version |
| 05:10.19 | Guerin | kanzure: could be hazardous. |
| 05:10.25 | clinton | Guerin: can you point me in the direction of "better ways" ? |
| 05:11.14 | Guerin | clinton: yep; use nice. If you nice a process up to 20, it'll only get cpu time when nothing else wants cpu time; but if there's cpu time going free it'll use it all. |
| 05:11.38 | clinton | Guerin: that's just it, when the program starts I want it to have normal priority. |
| 05:11.46 | clinton | nice is not the right tool for this job |
| 05:12.18 | Guerin | hm, ok. |
| 05:12.19 | Baco2 | Okay, current state, I built my nvidia drivers the 'debian way' and now if I run opengl or do anything opengl related, my xserver dies/restarts |
| 05:13.15 | clinton | Guerin: no other ideas? |
| 05:13.45 | Guerin | clinton: I still don't get why. you could run into a race condition, then - cpu usage could trough for a few seconds, your process could start, and then it could begin peaking again, which wouldn't achieve what you want. |
| 05:13.52 | Guerin | or what I imagine you want. |
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| 05:14.10 | Guerin | anyway, no, other than scripting it I can't think of other methods ottomh |
| 05:14.18 | kanzure | Guerin: Looks like I messed up. I have to install libc6, but it doesn't want to because I don't have the right kernel, but I can't install the kernel because it wants to have a libc6 or something. |
| 05:14.33 | Guerin | kanzure: reinstall. libc6 is the heart and soul. |
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| 05:14.48 | kanzure | "Do you want to upgrade glibc now? .... errors were encountered while processing <glibc deb package's path here>" |
| 05:14.54 | kanzure | Guerin: is there any way for me to reinstall over ssh |
| 05:15.03 | Guerin | yes, but it's a hell of a job |
| 05:15.07 | kanzure | eh |
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| 05:15.12 | kanzure | well |
| 05:15.12 | f00f- | i just removed a pacakge and it didnt remove all its files in /etc so i deleted then. now when i try to install it, it doesnt recreate those files!!! what's wrong? |
| 05:15.17 | Guerin | and without ssh you're mostly fucked because very few things will run |
| 05:15.25 | beardy | !confmiss |
| 05:15.25 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:15.26 | Guerin | err, wiothout libc6 |
| 05:15.50 | beardy | f00f-: Read the manual of aptitude, keyword is purge. |
| 05:15.51 | kanzure | Guerin: yeah ... so any suggestions on where to start? |
| 05:16.34 | beardy | !tell f00f- -about grounding |
| 05:16.40 | Guerin | kanzure: first verify if things linked against libc6 are working. If they're not, call your colo, have them re-image. If they do work, keep asking in here, it might be fixable. |
| 05:16.50 | kanzure | Guerin: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html <--- this looks like it might be what I want ? |
| 05:16.57 | f00f- | thanks beardy |
| 05:17.01 | Guerin | kanzure: yep, something like that. |
| 05:17.16 | beardy | f00f-: You're very welcome. |
| 05:17.53 | kanzure | Guerin: okay, it looks like stuff still linked to libc6 is working, but my apt system is screwed up |
| 05:17.55 | kanzure | obviously. |
| 05:18.32 | Guerin | kanzure: ok. post the full output to paster. I can't help you, I'm off in a few minutes; but someone might. |
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| 05:21.02 | Baco3 | I give up |
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| 05:29.30 | blahdeblah | Hi - anyone here use amavis-stats? I upgraded from sarge to etch and it lost all the old data. |
| 05:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, kanzure left... |
| 05:30.13 | purpleposeidon | sw00t! It is installed! :D |
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| 05:31.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: I think he might have run into bug 466026 like the other guy at the same time... if he'd kept reading the other stuff, he might have seen the solution to his latest libc6 problem |
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| 05:36.11 | Guerin | ah, I see |
| 05:36.12 | screamingbytes | evening all |
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| 05:41.39 | eshaase | how can i create a file that takes up 5GB? |
| 05:42.00 | screamingbytes | i know this is a stupid question, but im gonna ask :), is there a command that will type out what version / name of deb your using like 'Debian Stable Etch 4.x' blah blah like the uname command? |
| 05:43.06 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: lsb_release |
| 05:43.40 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: that's actually the only thing that is distribution agnostic (though there probably are debian derivatives which don't properly set it up) |
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| 05:44.36 | RyanRyan52 | how do I use network-manager? |
| 05:44.48 | RyanRyan52 | how do I set it up? |
| 05:44.58 | RyanRyan52 | I don't have a normal GUI...I use ion. |
| 05:46.23 | dondelelcaro | you install it and start it, theoretically. |
| 05:46.29 | hark | too bad lsb_release can't be a part of the base install :/ |
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| 05:46.43 | RyanRyan52 | ya...but how do I configure it? |
| 05:46.51 | hark | RyanRyan52: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 05:47.01 | RyanRyan52 | thanks |
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| 05:48.12 | dondelelcaro | hark: assuming you've got lsb installed, it's there. |
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| 05:52.30 | n3kl | is nfs4 enabled in the debian kernel? |
| 05:52.59 | n3kl | how can I mount and or export using nfs4? |
| 05:53.04 | hark | n3kl: yes afaik |
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| 05:53.25 | n3kl | mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs4' |
| 05:53.30 | voltagex | well that was interesting, macbook just died, debian gave no low battery warning at all |
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| 05:54.38 | clinton | Guerin: http://rafb.net/p/OAJr1K66.html |
| 05:54.58 | RaymondX | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.31 | hark | oh, i just tried it again and gives me No LSB modules are available. used to work before IIRC. guess i need lsb .. i just have lsb-base installed |
| 05:55.31 | n3kl | unix? |
| 05:55.43 | tesla | hello, would anyone be so kind as to help me run starcraft with cedega on debian linux? i need to know what commands i need to run. |
| 05:56.09 | tesla | i mean how to run no cd, ive been looking through info on the internet with slack results. |
| 05:57.06 | hark | tesla: starcraft runs fine with WINE itself. no need to run cedega |
| 05:57.26 | tesla | nice |
| 05:58.00 | hark | n3kl: CONFIG_NFS_V4=y here |
| 05:58.09 | dondelelcaro | hark: lsb_release -a |
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| 05:58.41 | tesla | but since i got cedega already installed, and no cd worked also, but my friend set it up, and i restarted so no cd doesnt work anymore and ive been looking alot for instructions step by step on how to make it run again |
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| 05:59.43 | hark_ | tesla: check appdb.winehq.org for such things |
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| 06:00.07 | tesla | will do thx :) |
| 06:00.08 | RyanRyan52 | I can't get my wireless to work with my new laptop. It detects it and I configure it (I even tried using the gnome tool) and it tries to get a responce from my dhcp server but it doesn't get one. What might I be doing wrong? |
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| 06:01.17 | screamingbytes | RyanRyan52: WEP? |
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| 06:01.25 | RyanRyan52 | I turned that off |
| 06:01.55 | RyanRyan52 | I'm just trying to get it to work any possible way now... |
| 06:02.52 | RyanRyan52 | It is a intel pro 3945 |
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| 06:03.08 | RyanRyan52 | and I'm using debian sid so i'm using the iwlwifi |
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| 06:06.40 | jim_p | goodmorning ! |
| 06:08.27 | screamingbytes | beautiful, works perfectly dondelelcarlo, tyvm |
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| 06:10.46 | kanzure | I want to straight up reinstall Debian, but I really like my current apache configuration, data files, etc. How can I go about doing this? I have a netinstall image cd on hand, but I don't want to wipe the hard drive. Any ideas? |
| 06:11.02 | kanzure | a backup, obviously, are there any utilities to backup a list of files? |
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| 06:13.09 | RyanRyan52 | kanzure: put em on a floppy! u gotta find some use for them :P |
| 06:13.33 | RyanRyan52 | there is no way |
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| 06:13.38 | kanzure | alright |
| 06:13.41 | liable | huh |
| 06:13.58 | liable | kanzure: just tar up the files you want to keep |
| 06:17.08 | hark | click on start -> file and settings transfer wizard ;p |
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| 06:22.02 | saru | how to build a debian custom cd |
| 06:22.26 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 06:22.26 | dpkg | custom d-i is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 06:22.49 | valdyn | !preseed |
| 06:22.49 | dpkg | preseed is, like, a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 06:33.13 | RyanRyan52 | I can't get my wireless to work with my new laptop. It detects it and I configure it (I even tried using the gnome tool) and it tries to get a responce from my dhcp server but it doesn't get one. Its a intel pro 3945 so I am using the new iwlwifi thing. I installed the firmware-iwlwifi package and it detected my wireless card. What might I be doing wrong? |
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| 06:40.58 | fignew | I just did an apt-get update, I saw apt download a few dozen .pdiff - What are those? |
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| 06:42.40 | liable | !pdiff |
| 06:42.40 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 06:43.03 | fignew | ahh, thanks :) |
| 06:43.42 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. During the dist-upgrade to lenny some of my packages haven't been set up correctly. How do I find and fix them? |
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| 06:44.24 | RyanRyan52 | SchwarzeKrause: u could start by giving us more info |
| 06:44.32 | RyanRyan52 | SchwarzeKrause: pastebin the output |
| 06:44.41 | DarthJesus | come rock out with me at http://energyarizonafm.com/ (i just got $771) |
| 06:45.17 | liable | DarthJesus: we dont care. dont spam us. |
| 06:45.18 | SchwarzeKrause | RyanRyan52: The question was actually, whether the output is being logged somewhere in /log |
| 06:45.38 | DarthJesus | is xunbuntu better than debian? |
| 06:45.45 | liable | SchwarzeKrause: yes /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 06:46.06 | RyanRyan52 | DarthJesus: that's an opinion |
| 06:46.30 | DarthJesus | is there a debian distro that uses Gnome? |
| 06:46.46 | RyanRyan52 | DarthJesus: Its called Debian |
| 06:47.36 | DarthJesus | zomg IADS |
| 06:47.54 | DarthJesus | EPIC FAILURE |
| 06:47.56 | DarthJesus | lulz |
| 06:48.01 | SchwarzeKrause | liable: and how do I find packages that didn't install correctly? The problem is, that I forgot to write down the output of dist-upgrade and now I can't find any track of what went wrong |
| 06:48.20 | RyanRyan52 | SchwarzeKrause: apt-get install -f will try to fix stuff |
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| 06:48.28 | liable | SchwarzeKrause: look in your dpkg log |
| 06:48.32 | RyanRyan52 | SchwarzeKrause: and give you the errors if it fails |
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| 06:49.51 | DarthJesus | ZOMG FEDZ0RZ http://mediaplague.com/ |
| 06:50.03 | liable | !ops please get rid of DarthJesus |
| 06:50.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: please get rid of DarthJesus |
| 06:50.21 | liable | danke |
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| 06:50.29 | RyanRyan52 | LoRez: thanks |
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| 06:52.01 | liable | sigh |
| 06:52.04 | jetscreamer | next time don't take so long... |
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| 06:52.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:52.10 | Olgem | Eh, how do I correctly set the time with debian? During the netinstall I've tried UTC and local time within my timezone, both render incorrect time. If I set it with date apt breaks with "timestamp too far in the future", I can fix this by having it ignore it, but I don't know how I should have done it correctly |
| 06:52.23 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 06:52.45 | jim_p | how do i COMPLETELY disable a service from running? Or see if its running now or not? I installed virtualbox-ose and it left its services behind. I know its somewhere inside /etc/init , but where? |
| 06:52.47 | jetscreamer | note: this IS next time |
| 06:52.47 | DarthJesus | U all AQUERRES |
| 06:52.53 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 06:53.26 | Olgem | You know, I could probably have done a little more reading before asking this question :( |
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| 06:53.36 | jim_p | *I UNinstalled virtualbox-ose |
| 06:53.39 | DarthJesus | how do i fresh install debian on a virgin machine? |
| 06:53.50 | jetscreamer | Olgem: usually the case |
| 06:54.39 | DarthJesus | does redbox use debian? |
| 06:54.41 | jim_p | DarthJesus: By using the debian-...-cd1.iso? or the netinst.iso? |
| 06:55.17 | DarthJesus | how do i boot off the lan, for the debian to install, cdrom doesn't have driver |
| 06:56.08 | jim_p | DarthJesus: can't you boot of a floppy or sth? |
| 06:56.16 | DarthJesus | no floppy drive |
| 06:56.25 | liable | jim_p: dont bother, he is a troll |
| 06:56.43 | DarthJesus | :O |
| 06:56.51 | Olgem | Ah, I suppose its sudo that complains about the timestamp problem not apt |
| 06:57.25 | jim_p | DarthJesus: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst here are some instructions, on the bottom of the page |
| 06:57.58 | jim_p | DarthJesus: No usb i suppose... |
| 06:58.25 | DarthJesus | see i not troll http://mediaplague.com/boards/showthread.php?t=131 |
| 06:58.30 | DarthJesus | actual project |
| 06:59.34 | jim_p | nice |
| 07:00.14 | DarthJesus | hte bios is most likely no longer flashed too :/ |
| 07:00.42 | DarthJesus | i am up shit creek without a paddle on this project :| |
| 07:00.55 | jim_p | :( |
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| 07:02.07 | DarthJesus | how do i flash a bios on a virgin machine that has a blank bios chip? |
| 07:02.12 | DarthJesus | x.x |
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| 07:03.47 | jim_p | DarthJesus: do you know the m/b's specifications? |
| 07:03.50 | tralala | DarthJesus, using an eprom programmer |
| 07:04.08 | DarthJesus | let me take some photos of the machine and part nums |
| 07:04.11 | DarthJesus | bbl |
| 07:05.08 | DarthJesus | my god i fell into the stereo and crushed a bag of fritos with my foot due to hair tossing too hard to my own sites themesong x.x |
| 07:05.49 | DarthJesus | i have no idea where my camera went x.x |
| 07:05.50 | blahdeblah | Hi. After a few years out of it, i have started a job where i need to do a lot of configuring of serial devices (mostly switches & routers) from my laptop. Is there anything out there preferred over minicom nowadays? |
| 07:06.05 | DarthJesus | it may be buried until a foot tall pile of empty soda cans :| |
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| 07:07.01 | DarthJesus | found my cam,.,.,. |
| 07:07.13 | DarthJesus | going to go find the damn box and take some pics |
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| 07:08.52 | jim_p | how can find the runlevel my pc is running now? |
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| 07:10.08 | blahdeblah | jim_p: runlevel |
| 07:10.08 | tralala | jim_p, by typing "runlevel" |
| 07:10.17 | jim_p | thanks |
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| 07:12.45 | jim_p | it says "N 2", this means that anything running now is under /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 07:13.42 | jim_p | brb, i am doing a reboot |
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| 07:13.48 | jim_p | to check |
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| 07:13.57 | Jakubbb | hi |
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| 07:14.10 | Jakubbb | please i have big problem with virtualbox ose |
| 07:14.23 | Jakubbb | in guest operating system in virtualbox the network does not work |
| 07:14.55 | Jakubbb | ehm.. network yes, but prerouting not, if i write ifconfig on my computer, the virtualbox network is not shown here |
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| 07:15.43 | tralala | Jakubbb, /msg dpkg virtualbox |
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| 07:16.24 | |EC|Jackal | is the xfce iso installable? |
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| 07:17.49 | krinns_ | how i convert .bin file to .iso |
| 07:17.55 | krinns_ | i want to write that file on cd |
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| 07:20.38 | beardy | !bin2iso |
| 07:21.33 | tralala | krinns_, /msg dpkg bin-cue |
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| 07:22.48 | krinns_ | no |
| 07:22.51 | krinns_ | it says nothing |
| 07:22.56 | beardy | Ah.. |
| 07:22.59 | beardy | Yes, it does. |
| 07:23.01 | krinns_ | what command should i use |
| 07:23.21 | beardy | Read it again. |
| 07:23.46 | krinns_ | dpkg bin-cue |
| 07:23.46 | dpkg | .bin and .cue files are part of a Golden Hawk Technology CDRWIN image. You can convert a CDRWIN image to ISO/WAV with "bchunk". You can also burn the image using cdrdao. |
| 07:23.46 | krinns_ | dpkg: need an action option |
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| 07:24.19 | liable | huh? |
| 07:24.23 | krinns_ | bchunk RHEL\ CD1\(2\).bin RHELcd1.iso |
| 07:24.24 | krinns_ | am doing |
| 07:24.30 | beardy | Wtf.. |
| 07:24.32 | krinns_ | it says invaild option |
| 07:24.44 | beardy | krinns_: Go away. #fedora or #redhat is not here. |
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| 07:25.43 | beardy | !installit |
| 07:25.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 07:28.53 | |EC|Jackal | any idea why the base-installer-package would fail? |
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| 07:30.05 | |EC|Jackal | vcon4 said the priority was set to "low" |
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| 07:36.24 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:47.53 | krinns_ | beardy |
| 07:47.58 | krinns_ | am using debain |
| 07:47.59 | krinns_ | ok |
| 07:48.04 | krinns_ | thats just the files |
| 07:48.12 | krinns_ | if u wont tel thats ok go to hell |
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| 07:59.36 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:59.36 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 08:01.35 | ddalton | enouf: hey, around? pm me if you are. channel is way to busy... and aren't you on coders any more? |
| 08:01.50 | ddalton | sorry for off topic I just need his help with a kernel thing... |
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| 08:02.50 | jim_p | hi again |
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| 08:03.58 | mentor | DarthJesus: Try not to let the caffeine control you, or something |
| 08:04.25 | DarthJesus | http://mediaplague.com/boards/showthread.php?p=112#post112 is the bios missing? sorry for the poor photo quality, the camera is glitched and judges autofocus off nearest object instead of center of pane |
| 08:05.02 | DarthJesus | there is no camera setting to fix that issue :| |
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| 08:05.28 | DarthJesus | it was one of the crappiest cameras HP ever made the photosmart215 -.- |
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| 08:05.47 | DarthJesus | even the battery compartment has issues with it |
| 08:06.36 | DarthJesus | i want to install Debian with Gnome enabled on that tower |
| 08:07.21 | jim_p | if i remove EVERY virtualbox-ose entry from /etc/rc?.d/ will i be right? I had the package removed yet the entries are still there. When i say remove I mean "sudo rm /etc/..." !!! |
| 08:07.27 | mentor | !dig |
| 08:07.27 | dpkg | dig is probably part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 08:07.37 | mentor | !install guide |
| 08:07.37 | dpkg | methinks install guide is The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual. For ETCH See http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html . Also ask me about IG </msg dpkg IG> |
| 08:07.47 | DarthJesus | but i need to know how to take out an already installed retention module, i need to get a new replacement socket 478 intel pentium4, and need a bios chip for the nic card :| |
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| 08:08.03 | DarthJesus | also as you can see from the pics, the mobo altitude is all fubar |
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| 08:09.18 | hark | jim_p: remove does just that.. it's 'purge' what you want |
| 08:09.22 | mentor | DarthJesus: Google is probably your friend |
| 08:09.56 | vaq | I keep getting two error's when I try to compile a few programes: libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration and libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag' ... Do i need some sort of package? |
| 08:10.45 | jim_p | hark: i did --purge it! yet the startup scripts are still there! I had to disable them from running using sysvconfig so that they dont load! |
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| 08:12.22 | jim_p | btw... what would you choose between vmware server and virtual box? |
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| 08:12.59 | beardy | !poll |
| 08:12.59 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 08:13.09 | sebastian^ | good morning folks |
| 08:13.21 | hark | jim_p: ah, that's not right, maybe check the bts? |
| 08:13.23 | maligor | jim_p, what would you choose? a sledge hammer or a screwdriver? |
| 08:13.25 | beardy | jim_p: But, that depends. |
| 08:13.26 | vaq | I keep getting two error's when I try to compile a few programes: libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration and libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag' ... Do i need some sort of package? |
| 08:13.26 | Arafangio1 | jim_p: Both are very good, with particular advantages and disadvantages. |
| 08:13.27 | jim_p | oooops sorry |
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| 08:15.38 | jim_p | i just asked because i cant find the .deb file from vmware and virtualbox-ose does not work! |
| 08:16.12 | Arafangio1 | jim_p: "does not work"? |
| 08:16.28 | jim_p | Arafangio1: i miss some module or something |
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| 08:16.42 | jim_p | note that virtualbox PROPIERTARY works! |
| 08:16.58 | Arafangio1 | jim_p: And? |
| 08:17.47 | maligor | compile the module? |
| 08:17.51 | DarthJesus | hit refresh http://mediaplague.com/boards/showthread.php?p=112#post112 |
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| 08:18.01 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 08:18.11 | jim_p | and since the propiertary version works, i think i must toss the virtualbox-ose stuff! |
| 08:18.28 | hark | jim_p: the ose works fine |
| 08:18.44 | hark | jim_p: modprobe vboxdrv and see |
| 08:18.49 | jim_p | it doesnt work for me then :( |
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| 08:19.11 | jim_p | modprobe vboxdrv = some fatal error |
| 08:19.39 | jim_p | i dont mind |
| 08:19.45 | hark | jim_p: what does uname -r say? |
| 08:20.16 | jim_p | in fact i need a virtualization to test the downloaded isos |
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| 08:20.19 | vaq | I keep getting two error's when I try to compile a few programes: libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration and libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag' ... Do i need some sort of package? |
| 08:20.49 | jim_p | 2.6.22-3-686 = uname-r .And YES i did install the proper -686 modules for virtualbox-ose |
| 08:21.02 | DarthJesus | how do i flash a bios if the bios is blank? i need to install Debian via netbios since the cdrom doesn't work without a kernel already installed it seems |
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| 08:21.36 | tralala | DarthJesus, you aren't making any sense |
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| 08:22.44 | hark | jim_p: ok, before trying vmware .. maybe do an 'm-a a-i virtualbox-ose' first. then modprobe vboxdrv |
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| 08:23.13 | jim_p | ok |
| 08:23.15 | Nazcafan | hello |
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| 08:23.43 | jim_p | but the thing is I REMOVED the -ose version to install the propiertary!!! |
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| 08:24.09 | Nazcafan | I noticed that in sid, linux-image-2.6-k7 has become a dummy transition package, depending on 2.6.xxxx.-686 |
| 08:24.16 | stegbth | hello everybody |
| 08:24.17 | vaq | Hello I am trying to install mod_auth_xradius from (http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_auth_xradius/) I got both apache2, gcc, g++ and make installed, however when i run make I keep getting theese errors: libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration and libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag' ... Do i need some sort of package? |
| 08:24.21 | jim_p | hello |
| 08:24.31 | Nazcafan | does it mean that debian kenrels are not optimised anymoure for amd k7 ? |
| 08:24.32 | hark | !k7 no more |
| 08:24.33 | tralala | Nazcafan, /msg dpkg k7 |
| 08:24.45 | DarthJesus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.52 | hark | ah, k7 dropped ;) |
| 08:25.18 | DarthJesus | Either that, or a lack of a functional CPU is preventing the CD-Rom and monitor from being supplied power by the power supply. |
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| 08:26.01 | DarthJesus | :/ |
| 08:26.02 | maligor | a pc bios? |
| 08:26.09 | stegbth | i am fighting with qos (cbq) with routed packet's, all classes get created, traffic get marked with iptables and ordered into the classes by the filter, but everything i do, the traffic will always jump over the limit and eat up all bandwith? |
| 08:26.25 | stegbth | tc class add dev eth1 parent 1:2 classid :3 est 1sec 3sec cbq bandwidth 9000kbit rate 5000kbit bounded allot 1500 prio 8 maxburst 5 avpkt 1500 weight 1500 |
| 08:26.33 | DarthJesus | on the mobo are two chips that stick out like a sore thumb, MSI and SiS |
| 08:26.42 | DarthJesus | :/ |
| 08:26.46 | DarthJesus | either MSI or MIS |
| 08:26.54 | DarthJesus | i think MSI tho |
| 08:27.06 | DarthJesus | what are those? |
| 08:27.21 | DarthJesus | SiS seems to be a built in silicon graphics knock off |
| 08:27.32 | DarthJesus | is MSI the bios? |
| 08:27.33 | Nazcafan | ok I won't question the decision to drop it as long as they provide some other solution ... 686 should be ok |
| 08:27.43 | maligor | welll.. MSI when regarding mb branded stuff would indicate Microstar International |
| 08:27.43 | nevyn | MSI is the motherboard manufacturer |
| 08:27.53 | stegbth | so with this tc statement i assume, all traffic which is queued there, must not eat up more then 5mbit?, but tc -s class show dev eth1 shows the traffic uses a rate of 9to10mbit |
| 08:28.01 | DarthJesus | it has a built in heat sink on that |
| 08:28.03 | nevyn | a really cheap motherboard manufacturer |
| 08:28.25 | nevyn | DarthJesus: that's on the northbridge |
| 08:28.31 | DarthJesus | well this is an on-the-cheap gnome tower :| |
| 08:28.33 | maligor | nevyn, I've seen cheaper |
| 08:28.38 | maligor | I think it's midrange |
| 08:28.43 | nevyn | maligor: asrock |
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| 08:29.21 | DarthJesus | i wasn't sure whether the bios had to be connected via AGP or whether there was one already built *into* the mobo :/ |
| 08:29.22 | maligor | DarthJesus, if you have the manual you can probably identify bios in the layout |
| 08:30.00 | maligor | err...? |
| 08:30.00 | nevyn | the bios usually a intel flash chip about | | that big |
| 08:30.00 | DarthJesus | i could not find a BIOS chip anywhere except in the NIC card where one was missing from a socket |
| 08:30.03 | Nazcafan | I need to blacklist a driver provided by the kernel and install one from a third part source ... what is the standard way ? |
| 08:30.12 | nevyn | DarthJesus: bioses have gotten smaller |
| 08:30.18 | DarthJesus | o.o |
| 08:30.19 | maligor | DarthJesus, what bios are you talking about exactly? |
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| 08:30.28 | DarthJesus | the mobo BIOS |
| 08:30.30 | nevyn | DarthJesus: it may also be a socketed square chip |
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| 08:30.43 | DarthJesus | i saw no socketed chips |
| 08:30.43 | nevyn | about the size of your index fingernail |
| 08:30.44 | maligor | yeah, if you're lucky it's a socketed square chip |
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| 08:30.59 | DarthJesus | all the chips were inlaid via solder |
| 08:31.05 | maligor | else it might be a very small surfacemounted square |
| 08:31.26 | nevyn | DarthJesus: then you're looking for a rectangle about 1.5cmx.5cm with leads on the shorter sides |
| 08:31.26 | maligor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phoenix_bios.jpg <- is what a socketed bios looks like more or less |
| 08:31.31 | DarthJesus | there were like 1200 tiny surface mounted squares that were too big to be pnp or npn's |
| 08:31.48 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 08:31.56 | nevyn | but if it's not posting.. then you're in a world of hurt. |
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| 08:32.52 | maligor | depending on the age of the mb, it might also have bios recovery systems |
| 08:33.05 | DarthJesus | when my family gets back from vacation thursday night or friday afternoon i will take better pics with a camera that actually works worth a damn |
| 08:33.17 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 08:33.30 | maligor | DarthJesus, you don't have a cpu? |
| 08:33.39 | DarthJesus | cpu was messed up |
| 08:33.54 | maligor | well, that'd be more problematic than the bios |
| 08:33.57 | DarthJesus | we ordered one from geeks.com that was refurbished and they used too short pins |
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| 08:34.29 | maligor | right.. |
| 08:34.33 | DarthJesus | but the packaging/shipment guy caught the prollem and gave us a free 160gb harddrive off the books to make up for it |
| 08:35.14 | maligor | well, the system won't start for sure if you don't have a cpu |
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| 08:35.34 | DarthJesus | he prolly figured if geeks.com is going to screw a customer that badly he might as well screw geeks.com |
| 08:35.45 | maligor | I'm not really sure how far it'd go without it |
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| 08:36.17 | DarthJesus | only the cpu fan and atx power supply fan turn on when the power button is pushed |
| 08:36.19 | DarthJesus | :( |
| 08:36.38 | DarthJesus | but holding down the power button doesn't turn it off |
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| 08:37.26 | DarthJesus | i had the retention module blow apart on me and i had to force shut off the machine by cutting the power to the entire system at the power bar |
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| 08:37.40 | DarthJesus | power strip* |
| 08:38.10 | DarthJesus | i was flipping for like 30 seconds as the machine blew to pieces literally :( |
| 08:38.31 | RaymondX | hope youre not hurt |
| 08:38.34 | DarthJesus | you can see in the last photo in the set for today that the pieces that shot off are laying on the carpet |
| 08:38.53 | DarthJesus | no not hury |
| 08:38.55 | DarthJesus | no not hurt* |
| 08:39.28 | DarthJesus | lucky only one of the two straps for the heat sink and fan blew apart |
| 08:39.48 | DarthJesus | otherwise the fan woulda flipped over and gnawed up the mobo :| |
| 08:40.15 | outlaw84 | how do I clear the list in 'apt-cache policy'? I have been changing release and sources which seam to have messed up the policy |
| 08:41.32 | DarthJesus | the pins on the socket 478 pentium4 were a half mm too short :( |
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| 08:43.33 | Kira__ | Hey all! I deleted some files from my iShuffle now i most format it or reformat a new database on it ... how i can do it on debian? |
| 08:44.23 | Arafangio1 | Kira__: A database? |
| 08:44.36 | Arafangio1 | Kira__: You're using very wierd terminology. |
| 08:45.04 | Coweater | Kira__: i'm pretty sure gtkpod will do it, i've never completely wiped mine to find out though |
| 08:45.26 | tralala | outlaw84, /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 08:46.43 | anxt | does the stock debian kernel need to be patched to use unionfs? |
| 08:47.15 | DarthJesus | Arafangio1 shuffles have a database they store config in, you accidently delete the database file you have to reformat it |
| 08:47.16 | Kira__ | yes on ipods is a database but this one is crashed and so i cant move musik on it with gtkpod |
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| 08:47.41 | Kira__ | how i can reformat it? |
| 08:47.56 | tralala | anxt, no, there are separate packages for the unionfs modules |
| 08:48.04 | achandrashekar_ | hello..i noticed on an old bug report that libnss caused a lock up of klog daemon on boot, when using ldap (and specifically with an entry in nsswitch). Has that been resolved? As an aside...it seems to be affecting my other Debian "variant" boxes. |
| 08:48.04 | DarthJesus | use gtkpod to reinitialized or repair |
| 08:48.20 | DarthJesus | if there is no 'format' option that may be what it is called |
| 08:48.25 | Coweater | Kira__: in the file menu there's two options near the bottom (create directories and check files), i think that's all that is needed, could be wrong |
| 08:48.28 | anxt | tralala: i saw that. i didn't know they would work without kernel patching k cool thx |
| 08:48.29 | DarthJesus | but i never used gtkpod sorry |
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| 08:49.03 | stegbth | no one with a qos idea? |
| 08:49.06 | webPrag\Laptop | any of you who use apache ever had to use Basic auth inside of <VirtualHost> |
| 08:49.17 | Kira__ | thanks |
| 08:49.21 | webPrag\Laptop | I am wondering how it is possible to do this without having to use a .htaccess file |
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| 08:49.32 | DarthJesus | apple uses words like initialize and repair instead of format often, so maybe gtkpod does too Arafangio1 |
| 08:50.14 | stegbth | #debian.at |
| 08:50.17 | stegbth | sorry |
| 08:50.31 | DarthJesus | remember apple products are senstive to whether a mass storage device is blank, virgin, or simply corrupt |
| 08:50.51 | DarthJesus | sensitive* |
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| 08:51.06 | anxt | now is the kernel prepatched? last 2.6.18 kernel i used i needed to patch for unionfs. |
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| 08:51.15 | anxt | i saw no options under menuconfig |
| 08:51.37 | jim | maybe unionfs has to be added (via a patch) |
| 08:51.50 | tralala | anxt, you don't need to compile anything, just install the packages and start using unionfs |
| 08:51.50 | DarthJesus | often apple products say initialize for blank mass storage device and repair for corrupt ones |
| 08:51.58 | anxt | tralala: ok cool. |
| 08:52.00 | jim | the menuconfig item will either be added by the same patch or else it will be enabled |
| 08:52.21 | DarthJesus | so gtkpod may follow in apple's footsteps |
| 08:52.26 | DarthJesus | ok Arafangio1? |
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| 08:52.45 | DarthJesus | but then again i only use iTunes, g4's, g5's, etc not gtkpod |
| 08:52.50 | jim | a lot of people have a copy of "Apple Human Interface Guidelines" |
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| 08:53.18 | DarthJesus | they made a book about it jim??? |
| 08:53.30 | jim | they pretty much wrote the book |
| 08:53.47 | webPrag\Laptop | anyone |
| 08:54.10 | webPrag\Laptop | AuthType in <VirtualHost> .... apache? heh |
| 08:54.34 | jim | while they're not the be-all and end-all of what human interface is supposed to be, they did perform very extensive research into what sorts of interface makes sense and what doesn't |
| 08:54.38 | DarthJesus | well would make sense apple doesn't want their systems shitted away like for example, how most apps on windows either use my documents as plain text, or look for its actual name in the registry 50% of the time |
| 08:55.25 | jim | the thing is, the major violators of the human interface guidelines were microsoft and apple themselves... |
| 08:55.30 | DarthJesus | i fouled up a win95 or 98 tower bad by renaming my documents using windows system prefs |
| 08:55.41 | DarthJesus | half my programs crashed on boot |
| 08:56.02 | tralala | jim, can you stay on-topic |
| 08:56.06 | DarthJesus | and i was forced to reinstall a third of those |
| 08:56.15 | jim | if you can |
| 08:56.25 | anxt | what is the topic? |
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| 08:56.38 | DarthJesus | DEbian :D |
| 08:56.39 | anxt | mount: unknown filesystem type 'unionfs' |
| 08:56.41 | moise7000 | Hi guys |
| 08:56.48 | anxt | so i assume i need to modprobe unionfs |
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| 08:56.55 | russo | hey guys |
| 08:56.59 | jim | you know my position. if you want, kick me, and there is A DAMN GOOD CHANCE I will NEVER return |
| 08:57.01 | anxt | which doesn't seem to be available on testing for 2.6.18 |
| 08:57.04 | DarthJesus | anxt i was just comparing apple guidelines as it applies to gtkpod to windows |
| 08:57.11 | anxt | heathen |
| 08:57.17 | anxt | it is all about sony walkmans |
| 08:57.23 | DarthJesus | :) |
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| 08:57.27 | tralala | jim, I'd love to see that |
| 08:57.35 | russo | how can i keep programs running in shell after i log off... so i mean i have a server that i access over ssh and i want stuff to keep running after i close the connection |
| 08:57.43 | jim | then what are you waiting for? |
| 08:57.49 | achandrashekar_ | hello...anyone run into a libnss boot issue when using ldap server..which causes a hang up during boot at the klog daemon? |
| 08:57.52 | anxt | russo: screen. apt-get install screen |
| 08:57.54 | tralala | sadly I'm not an op |
| 08:58.03 | moise7000 | We've encountered a little problem this on our name server, the named processes was eating waiting load, and no more responding on the DMZ side but well on then LAN. Someone has an idea? |
| 08:58.06 | anxt | russo: dtach works but screen is the best |
| 08:58.24 | jim | then (a) don't bother me, and (b) I was responding to a question, so see (a) |
| 08:58.32 | anxt | russo: screen is the cats pyjamas |
| 08:58.38 | russo | anxt: thanks a lot mate :) i was searching for display... :D i remember it had some sort of name like that |
| 08:58.48 | DarthJesus | btw church of satan had their apple approved site liscense revoked and were threatened legal action against them by apple if they continued to use the logo :) |
| 08:58.58 | anxt | russo: then quickly rebind the stupid ctrl-A to ctrl-T |
| 08:59.12 | anxt | since ctrl-a is beginning of line in many shells :) |
| 08:59.22 | DarthJesus | they followed every apple guideline to spec |
| 08:59.24 | jim | actually apple stole the apple records logo |
| 08:59.32 | DarthJesus | haha |
| 08:59.47 | anxt | didn't apple steal the logos from adam and eve? |
| 08:59.53 | jim | look at an original beatles 45 on apple records |
| 08:59.57 | anxt | i thkn Jesu shud sue them |
| 09:00.03 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 09:00.18 | jim | but whatever, he's right, we're pretty far afield at this point\ |
| 09:00.24 | DarthJesus | yes its true, apple stole their logo from the beatles own record company |
| 09:00.50 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 09:00.54 | maligor | the forbidden fruit wasn't an apple tho |
| 09:01.03 | anxt | it was eves booty |
| 09:01.07 | anxt | :P |
| 09:01.10 | DarthJesus | :P |
| 09:01.18 | anxt | she woulda been the hottest wimmins on the planet |
| 09:01.25 | maligor | undoubtedly |
| 09:01.28 | DarthJesus | cromagnon hawt |
| 09:01.32 | anxt | now did she have belly button |
| 09:01.50 | anxt | since she never got calved :) |
| 09:02.15 | DarthJesus | i thoguht she got pooped from adam's rib cage :O |
| 09:02.19 | russo | sweet :) |
| 09:02.23 | russo | thanks alot anxt |
| 09:02.27 | anxt | np runer |
| 09:02.30 | anxt | russo |
| 09:02.32 | russo | :P |
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| 09:02.38 | maligor | ah, insightful religious chats on irc |
| 09:02.45 | jim | I'll just close by saying read the book if you want to see what they come up with |
| 09:02.46 | anxt | i do 2 things on irc. 1) i annoy people 2) i provide answeres. |
| 09:02.50 | russo | i love having a name that everyone always tab-complete incorrectly :D |
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| 09:03.07 | maligor | anxt, we seem to be in the same business |
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| 09:03.16 | russo | ok i have to go study for an exam tomorrow |
| 09:03.17 | maligor | I sometimes jest aswell |
| 09:03.22 | russo | i'll see you guys around :) |
| 09:03.47 | jim | russo: someone named aaron had that as a last name... he produced "Trading Places" |
| 09:04.12 | DarthJesus | the horror |
| 09:05.01 | DarthJesus | the absolute horror you must feel is unfathomable to me russo |
| 09:05.13 | DarthJesus | damn tab complete incorrect even when i got it right x.x |
| 09:05.23 | jim | anxt: so did you get unionfs to work? |
| 09:05.32 | anxt | no |
| 09:05.38 | anxt | maybe i am not using testing |
| 09:05.52 | anxt | suing etch non lenny |
| 09:05.53 | jim | what's your uname -r |
| 09:05.54 | anxt | arghh |
| 09:06.00 | jim | ok |
| 09:06.02 | moise7000 | We've encountered a little problem this on our name server, the named processes was eating waiting load, and no more responding on the DMZ side but well on then LAN. Someone has an idea? |
| 09:06.09 | anxt | jim: using cutom kernel |
| 09:06.12 | anxt | custom |
| 09:06.17 | jim | hmm |
| 09:06.22 | anxt | well debian sources and debian config |
| 09:06.33 | anxt | i shud distuopgrade this |
| 09:06.38 | anxt | lenny is testing correct? |
| 09:06.42 | jim | yes |
| 09:06.48 | jim | presently |
| 09:06.51 | DarthJesus | moise7000 is this related to unrealircd? |
| 09:07.01 | anxt | i don't think i have enough space to dist-upgrade |
| 09:07.04 | DarthJesus | unrealircd sucks bc they fouled it all to hell |
| 09:07.10 | DarthJesus | use inspaircd |
| 09:07.37 | moise7000 | DarthJesus: Errr no... |
| 09:07.41 | moise7000 | juste a NS |
| 09:07.42 | DarthJesus | :P |
| 09:07.46 | moise7000 | lol |
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| 09:08.39 | moise7000 | No one? |
| 09:09.12 | DarthJesus | i bugged the unreal developers for so many hours back to back about how their ircd doesn't work on my machine even when using prefab tested 100% correct configs for absolutely everything they g-lined me :| |
| 09:09.12 | jim | I have no idea how to look at a problem like that |
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| 09:09.51 | moise7000 | Nothing in logs... :( |
| 09:09.52 | jim | so you complained to them 24/7? |
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| 09:10.04 | DarthJesus | bascially :P |
| 09:10.10 | anxt | hyrbid |
| 09:10.16 | anxt | hybrid |
| 09:10.19 | anxt | :P |
| 09:10.20 | DarthJesus | i wanted them to get off their duffs and make a working unreal ircd :P |
| 09:10.25 | jim | so you didn't try to solve your problem, you just complained? |
| 09:10.34 | ClimDan | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
| 09:11.29 | DarthJesus | for some reason the listen socket was using loop back 0.0.0.0 -.- |
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| 09:11.47 | DarthJesus | i don't know how something could be screwed up that badly |
| 09:11.50 | jim | that means listen on all addresses |
| 09:11.54 | ia-32 | what does this mean -- http://pastebin.com/m7534bec4 |
| 09:11.55 | jim | not loopback |
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| 09:12.26 | DarthJesus | apparently it was using that as loop-back as well |
| 09:12.37 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 09:12.58 | jim | ia-32: the http is the protocol... pastebin.com is the name and address of a machine... /m7534bec4 is a place on that site... |
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| 09:13.35 | DarthJesus | x.x |
| 09:13.39 | jim | together, the meaning is approximately "the resource is here" |
| 09:13.51 | Farhadix_ | hi guys :), is anyway to disable system beep in cli? |
| 09:13.52 | moise7000 | X) |
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| 09:13.56 | DarthJesus | forget what i was talking about |
| 09:13.59 | Alvo | hi comerades, my / partition (ext3 /dev/hda1) was remounted RO on error, how can i remount RW without rebooting? |
| 09:14.04 | DarthJesus | who was having NS trouble? |
| 09:14.09 | moise7000 | mount -o remount,rw |
| 09:14.15 | moise7000 | mount / -o remount,rw |
| 09:14.17 | moise7000 | sorry |
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| 09:14.36 | jim | DarthJesus: oh, actually you're right, it does include the loopback, because it includes all interfaces |
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| 09:14.54 | Alvo | moise7000: thanks |
| 09:14.57 | anxt | i am wanting to mount / (the only partition) ro, and unionfs mount /var on top of it to avoid ever having filesystem unmarked as clean. is this a reasonable idea? |
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| 09:15.53 | DarthJesus | yes but jim, i am pretty sure for loop-back alone, it was using 0.0.0.0 |
| 09:15.55 | ddalton | how do you turn off the pc speaker? |
| 09:16.00 | jim | you mean you want to force it to appear clean |
| 09:16.00 | ddalton | with alsa? |
| 09:16.04 | xk | Farhadix_: rmmod pcspkr, and add 'alias pcspkr off' to /etc/modprobe.d/arch-aliases, run update-modules |
| 09:16.17 | jim | 0.0.0.0 is an alias for "all addresses" |
| 09:16.31 | DarthJesus | with 3 different machines every time i attempted to connect to myself my lan went haywire |
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| 09:17.32 | DarthJesus | i damn near fried the firmware on the router :| |
| 09:17.41 | Farhadix_ | xk: this way turn off all sounds or only beeps? |
| 09:17.45 | anxt | i found tons of free pr0n at 127.34.31.212:/home/anxt/pr0n |
| 09:17.50 | xk | Farhadix_: _anything_ from the pc speaker. |
| 09:17.52 | anxt | i found tons of free pr0n at ftp://127.34.31.212:/home/anxt/pr0n |
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| 09:18.20 | jim | hmm, it seems to be connecting to myself... wonder why |
| 09:18.35 | Farhadix_ | thanks |
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| 09:19.47 | lbt | hi. Used Debian for ages. Just installed etch (for a friend) and I'm getting these locale errors during aptitude installs: http://rafb.net/p/fzlkln51.html |
| 09:20.34 | lbt | It was a simple 'download ISO, minimal install'. So I want to a) get rid of them and b) report them to the right place. |
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| 09:22.39 | maligor | lbt, mm.. I'm not really familiar with the locales stuff but my en_GB seems to only have ISO Latin1 |
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| 09:23.34 | maligor | locales-all seems to have en_GB utf-8 |
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| 09:24.24 | lbt | file /etc/locale.gen has one line: en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 09:24.46 | maligor | lbt, yeh, try installing locales-all |
| 09:24.49 | DarthJesus | i am a god, i taught my cat to come when i call him |
| 09:25.07 | DarthJesus | ^-^ |
| 09:25.20 | jim_p | when i logout from my account back to gdm, everything unloads and only the desktop wallpaper remains there! The only way to do something then is Alt+REISUB to reboot. The only way to logout without causing problems is Ctrl+Alt+backspace! |
| 09:25.33 | lbt | DarthJesus: my cat is called <audio>rattle the box</audio> |
| 09:25.34 | jim_p | why oh why? |
| 09:25.36 | lbt | apparently |
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| 09:26.12 | DarthJesus | haha |
| 09:26.16 | lbt | maligor: I'll try that - I guess I just want it done as part of the install |
| 09:26.42 | DarthJesus | no i taught him his name, 'mellow', 'come on', 'good boy', 'lets have dinner', etc |
| 09:26.48 | DarthJesus | :D |
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| 09:26.55 | maligor | lbt, well, it might also require something else (or locales-all) might be entirely something else |
| 09:26.56 | lbt | and I don't really want all locales ! It's a single (english) language box. |
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| 09:27.21 | DarthJesus | he even understands 'lets go outside' :D |
| 09:27.30 | anxt | lbt: wot if it gets hacked by a non english speaker? |
| 09:27.48 | anxt | i always include portugese man pages. |
| 09:27.52 | maligor | lbt, it could be you only have to run locale-gen or something |
| 09:27.59 | DarthJesus | i am still teaching him 'dont eat the birds' tho x.x |
| 09:28.40 | DarthJesus | what is min system requirements for gnome under debian? |
| 09:28.40 | DarthJesus | o.o |
| 09:28.50 | lbt | trying dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:28.59 | tralala | good choice |
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| 09:29.22 | DarthJesus | what is min system requirements for gnome under debian? |
| 09:29.22 | anxt | tralala: your nick sounds like my ringtone |
| 09:29.24 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 09:29.39 | anxt | DarthJesus: 486dx 256 Mb ram |
| 09:29.46 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 09:29.58 | anxt | 1mb vesa local bus card |
| 09:30.10 | DarthJesus | good i have 512 plus a pentium4 i am waiting on :/ |
| 09:30.12 | maligor | VLB... ah.. the days |
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| 09:30.33 | maligor | back in the good ol' days you could change irq's with jumpers |
| 09:30.43 | DarthJesus | i think the mobo has a 32mb SiS built in :| |
| 09:30.53 | maligor | DarthJesus, that should work fine |
| 09:30.58 | DarthJesus | but it could just be 8mb :| |
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| 09:31.02 | maligor | SiS is a bit annoying chipset tho |
| 09:32.06 | jayaraj | i have a Via chipset and on Etch i am not getting higher resolutions than 800x600. how can i get rid of this problem..... |
| 09:32.09 | DarthJesus | i want to see if my OAK gfx card isn't fried, it comes with a SiS onboard' |
| 09:32.32 | lbt | nope that didn't work... (generated the locales for en_GB.UTF-8). I logged out and back to be sure. |
| 09:32.40 | tralala | jayaraj, what video card? |
| 09:32.41 | DarthJesus | is debian compat with OAK using faux Silicon Graphics? |
| 09:34.50 | jayaraj | its onboard... no additional video card... VIA KM266 pro... does it make any sence... this one is an oldie... :) |
| 09:35.14 | DarthJesus | also, how do i integrate/import a mcalister, fat16, fat32, or ntsf hdd without accidently formatting it? |
| 09:35.20 | anxt | i have a NIC at work using tulip driver |
| 09:35.25 | anxt | beat that for old school |
| 09:35.45 | jayaraj | tralala: ^ |
| 09:35.47 | DarthJesus | i have a 9600 baud modem lying around |
| 09:36.28 | anxt | DarthJesus: you win. 1 don't even have a 14.4 external |
| 09:36.37 | anxt | might have an ISA 33.6 |
| 09:36.46 | DarthJesus | you haVE BEEN DEFEATED |
| 09:36.53 | DarthJesus | :P |
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| 09:37.00 | anxt | i jsut threw out about 80 lbs of computers the other day |
| 09:37.14 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 09:37.24 | tralala | jayaraj, paste the output of "lspci -v" to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:37.35 | maligor | DarthJesus, there's no format automation in linux aside from installers |
| 09:37.36 | DarthJesus | laying around * x.x |
| 09:37.41 | lbt | maligor: (or anyone with clean-ish etch install) what's the contents of /etc/environment ? |
| 09:37.47 | jayaraj | yep wait 30 sec |
| 09:37.53 | lbt | one machine has LANGUAGE set in there... |
| 09:38.14 | tralala | lbt, I've seen perl bitching during package installs too. I don't see why that's a problem. |
| 09:38.34 | maligor | lbt, I had a fairly clean sid and I don't have a environment |
| 09:38.54 | lbt | tralala: it shouldn't do it. It's a bug. It anoys me :) |
| 09:38.59 | DarthJesus | one planned project of mine is adding usb 2.0 to an 8088 :| |
| 09:39.06 | lbt | I *will* fix it !! |
| 09:39.11 | lbt | <grin> |
| 09:39.15 | anxt | DarthJesus: my mom is a bot. |
| 09:39.23 | DarthJesus | :D |
| 09:39.30 | maligor | DarthJesus, addressing would be painful I imagine |
| 09:39.50 | jayaraj | tralala: http://rafb.net/p/xbRN4d69.html |
| 09:39.52 | anxt | you would surely get fully bandwidth :) |
| 09:39.54 | tralala | lbt, heh |
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| 09:40.02 | anxt | 8mhz bus the ISA? |
| 09:40.07 | DarthJesus | i plan on rigging a custom card using a fancy 80mhz z80 with built in usb 2.0 |
| 09:40.18 | DarthJesus | they make em now |
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| 09:40.37 | maligor | I plan on designing my own 1bit cpu and integrating a EHCI controller on the die |
| 09:40.41 | anxt | use CP/M in xen |
| 09:40.45 | megasquid | anyone familiar with monit? |
| 09:41.32 | anxt | DarthJesus: i compiled qmail for 6502. |
| 09:41.42 | lbt | got it. LC_ALL needs to be set. To the same as LANG I think |
| 09:41.46 | DarthJesus | a serial bitslice 1bit opcode set would suck |
| 09:41.49 | DarthJesus | :| |
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| 09:42.22 | tralala | jayaraj, which video driver do you use? vesa? |
| 09:42.24 | erik2 | evolution: how do i edit message rules ? |
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| 09:43.04 | maligor | lbt, hmm.. I only have LANG set |
| 09:43.24 | lbt | what to? |
| 09:43.25 | DarthJesus | did microsoft really invent fortran? |
| 09:43.39 | maligor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.53 | lbt | on sid though? |
| 09:44.19 | maligor | I don't think microsoft existed back then |
| 09:44.21 | lbt | any LC_ variables in env? |
| 09:44.21 | ia-32 | can someone help me I have this backtrace can someone explain to me what they see happened? -- http://pastebin.com/m7534bec4 |
| 09:44.52 | maligor | lbt, no, I can only see LANG |
| 09:45.28 | lbt | ok - I have LC_TIME too. Could be that older perl is less LC_ aware... |
| 09:45.42 | maligor | I expect they default to C |
| 09:45.52 | lbt | tralala: if you do 'man dummy' |
| 09:46.00 | maligor | or the same as LANG |
| 09:46.18 | lbt | do you get an error about LC_*? |
| 09:46.20 | maligor | I'll try changing to GB |
| 09:46.26 | lbt | could be... |
| 09:46.33 | anxt | DarthJesus: no. fortran is much older than MS |
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| 09:46.37 | tralala | lbt, no |
| 09:46.58 | maligor | oh, locales-all just contains pre-generated locales |
| 09:47.03 | anxt | 1957 was frist fortran |
| 09:47.15 | lbt | Ok - ta. I did but LC_ALL fixed it too. Thought it was a quicker test than an install..... hmmm |
| 09:47.24 | anxt | why does autoconf make so many useless frotran checks |
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| 09:47.27 | lbt | could you do 'dpkg-reconfigure dummy' |
| 09:47.39 | lbt | that should trigger the dpkg perl complaints |
| 09:47.40 | anxt | i mean mdct and fourier transforms maybe |
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| 09:47.58 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all my debian box iis using a lot of dw bandwidth by downloading stuff from mirrors1.kernel.org and mirror2.kernel.org..it is accessing those mirrors through ftp |
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| 09:48.57 | tralala | lbt, I don't have a 'dummy' package |
| 09:49.01 | maligor | lbt, maybe testing locales are a bit broken |
| 09:49.11 | maligor | err.. stable |
| 09:49.16 | maligor | would be a bit odd tho |
| 09:49.18 | lbt | tralala: I know - that's the point :) |
| 09:49.30 | maligor | en_GB.UTF-8 works fine in sid |
| 09:49.48 | tralala | lbt, no perl complaints |
| 09:49.53 | lbt | maligor: that's why I'd like it to be working. I'm trying to get Mac users to use Debian as a server... |
| 09:50.01 | lbt | tralala: damn - thanks though :) |
| 09:50.15 | Crypticfortune | Is there some particular reason that Tomcat 6.x doesn't exist as a debian package? |
| 09:50.20 | tralala | lbt, sure |
| 09:50.31 | maligor | but if LC_ALL fixes it, just use that :P |
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| 09:51.01 | lbt | oh, I have - but next time I install I'll forget :) |
| 09:51.15 | lbt | I was going to log a bug if I could... |
| 09:52.04 | anxt | Object oriented programming support: type extension and inheritance, polymorphism, dynamic type allocation, and type-bound procedures. << fortran 2003 |
| 09:52.15 | anxt | wow it just won't die :) |
| 09:52.16 | steinchen | which forensic software would you recommend? tct? |
| 09:52.21 | maligor | I hope you the best in your holy quest converting macos users to the path of freedom ;) |
| 09:52.29 | maligor | next step is installing on their desktops |
| 09:52.44 | lbt | maligor: they will sucumb... |
| 09:53.00 | xk | hmm |
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| 09:53.09 | tralala | lbt, the problem should be somewhere else - I don't have any LC_ vars set |
| 09:53.17 | DarthJesus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog_eZ80 |
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| 09:53.23 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all my debian box iis using a lot of dw bandwidth by downloading stuff from mirrors1.kernel.org and mirror2.kernel.org..it is accessing those mirrors through ftp |
| 09:53.38 | DarthJesus | accroding to the movie, microsoft invented fortran and liscensed it to altair at 30% royalties |
| 09:53.40 | maligor | DarthJesus, it's pretty depressing that my cellphone has a faster cpu than that |
| 09:53.40 | lbt | tralala: do you have LANG? and LC_TIME? |
| 09:53.53 | anxt | macos is fairly tolerable |
| 09:53.58 | tralala | I do have LANG, but no LC_<anything> |
| 09:54.03 | DarthJesus | the movie in question being pirates of silicon valley |
| 09:54.03 | lbt | sysadmin-lb22: you said that last time... so what? |
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| 09:54.16 | sysadmin-lb22 | lbt, any suggestions |
| 09:54.23 | sysadmin-lb22 | I mean I did not initiate those downloads |
| 09:54.25 | lbt | tralala: try setting LC_TIME to en_GB |
| 09:54.29 | sysadmin-lb22 | they are the same that apt-get uses |
| 09:54.46 | maligor | DarthJesus, are you sure you're not mixing IBM with Microsoft |
| 09:54.50 | lbt | sysadmin-lb22: any cron jobs? |
| 09:55.13 | DarthJesus | its the equiv of 150mhz to 200mhz maligor |
| 09:55.18 | lbt | tralala: then the dpkg-reconfigure dummy is the easiest way for me to trigger the warnings? |
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| 09:56.18 | DarthJesus | compared to the original 3.7mhz z80 that is maligor |
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| 09:56.47 | anxt | my first outer was vic-20 |
| 09:56.53 | lbt | sysadmin-lb22: find out what processes are doing the downloads (netstat -p) then look at the open files for them (lsof -p <pid>) |
| 09:57.01 | anxt | then i got c-64 and it rocked vic-20's world |
| 09:57.15 | sysadmin-lb22 | which package contains lsof in debian ? |
| 09:57.31 | anxt | lsof iirc |
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| 09:57.40 | lbt | yup, lsof |
| 09:57.52 | anxt | great package too |
| 09:58.12 | anxt | netstat grep lsof some most important tools |
| 09:58.33 | anxt | worth statically linking and putting on a jump drive |
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| 09:58.47 | anxt | assuming kernel wasn't compromised |
| 09:59.25 | anxt | am i jsut on drugs or does turning of LKM break a lot of potential rootkits? |
| 09:59.46 | anxt | i don't see the need for modular drivers for anything that is a server |
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| 10:00.44 | onur | Hi. Does anyone tell me which color the swirl in the Debian's logo? I need html code of this color. (I am asking this, because i need to know now. I am running a celeron 333mhz computer, I dont have enough space to intall gimp.) |
| 10:01.09 | anxt | 33bb33 |
| 10:01.27 | onur | thank you very much anxt |
| 10:01.34 | anxt | i was just guessing |
| 10:01.36 | anxt | :( |
| 10:01.56 | anxt | the swirl has several cololurs |
| 10:02.01 | onur | it's not |
| 10:02.17 | anxt | i will ook for you if you want |
| 10:02.22 | anxt | i do have gimp |
| 10:02.32 | Assid | err does grub have a default password ? |
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| 10:02.36 | anxt | gime a link to image and where to select |
| 10:02.39 | onur | isn't 33bb33 |
| 10:02.50 | onur | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Debian.png |
| 10:03.07 | anxt | ahh i see |
| 10:03.11 | anxt | k gimme a min |
| 10:03.19 | onur | ok thanks |
| 10:03.20 | lbt | onour: http://www.us.debian.org/debian.css |
| 10:03.23 | DarthJesus | what does 3200+ mean? |
| 10:03.25 | Assid | i got a remote box.. had someone install r2 on it.. and did an apt-get dist-upgrade which updated the kernel. now they are reporting its asking for a password to start |
| 10:03.56 | DarthJesus | does that mean greater than equivalence of 3200mhz to an original i386? |
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| 10:03.57 | lbt | #navbar background: #BF1238; |
| 10:03.58 | maligor | DarthJesus, a performance comparison AMD created when Intel started to make processors that could do less per clock cycle |
| 10:04.05 | tralala | lbt, yes, LC_TIME brings up the warnings, but how did you end up having LC_TIME set? |
| 10:04.11 | maligor | DarthJesus, it's more like a equivalence of a P4 at that speed |
| 10:04.18 | DarthJesus | oh ok |
| 10:04.25 | lbt | tralala: dunno - standard install :) |
| 10:04.36 | anxt | d70751 |
| 10:04.41 | anxt | onur: d70751 |
| 10:05.01 | onur | Thanks for help anxt and lbt. |
| 10:05.07 | DarthJesus | i have a 900mhz athlon32 that is 1200+ i think :/ |
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| 10:05.15 | DarthJesus | in this laptop atleast |
| 10:05.22 | DarthJesus | i want to be able to use WINE |
| 10:05.30 | DarthJesus | does Debian distro come with WINE? |
| 10:05.30 | lbt | it looks like if any LC_ are set then it triggers the issue. |
| 10:05.34 | anxt | I USE VODAK EVERY DAY |
| 10:05.39 | anxt | oops caps |
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| 10:05.44 | maligor | DarthJesus, now both amd and intel have dropped mhz and speed references in model names |
| 10:05.48 | anxt | vodka is not a winodws emulator |
| 10:05.50 | jelly | DarthJesus: it does. |
| 10:05.59 | lbt | I've seen comments about language-pack-en-base so looking at that now |
| 10:06.14 | DarthJesus | what is min requirements for WINE under Gnome under Debian? |
| 10:06.19 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 10:06.25 | maligor | depends on what you want to run |
| 10:06.33 | jelly | DarthJesus: this will heavily depend on the app you want to run under wine |
| 10:06.33 | tralala | lbt, maybe it's an all-or-nothing thing |
| 10:06.36 | maligor | wine is quite efficent for many things |
| 10:07.06 | anxt | wine is good for starcraft and emule |
| 10:07.13 | DarthJesus | i want to run CHASM which is a simple Blitz BASIC 3D 1.99 compiled app that uses a windowed console display powered by direct x |
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| 10:07.24 | DarthJesus | CHASM is an assembler i am working on |
| 10:07.28 | maligor | it's surprisingly close to application performance on native windows |
| 10:07.29 | lbt | looks like it - grr |
| 10:07.40 | anxt | DarthJesus: what does it assemble? |
| 10:07.48 | DarthJesus | let me link you... |
| 10:08.03 | anxt | please do i am always interest4ed by geek projects |
| 10:08.12 | DarthJesus | http://mediaplague.com/boards/showthread.php?t=126 |
| 10:08.15 | jelly | DarthJesus: that sort of thing might work. If you have indication chasm works in wine, it can be made to work on Debian (with some version of wine) as well |
| 10:08.16 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 10:08.28 | maligor | I could never a hang of BASIC |
| 10:08.44 | DarthJesus | right now it doesn't assemble anything |
| 10:09.00 | jelly | 10 print "maligor must be joking" 20 goto 10 |
| 10:09.05 | DarthJesus | i plan on working more on it after my family gets back from our timeshare in Flagstaff :| |
| 10:09.23 | DarthJesus | i haven't been eating too well due to utter lack of food |
| 10:09.25 | maligor | jelly, I really mean it |
| 10:09.31 | DarthJesus | and it affects my programming |
| 10:09.37 | anxt | i have never like programming one bit except one language. |
| 10:09.41 | maligor | BASIC is just borked |
| 10:09.42 | anxt | ruby. |
| 10:09.48 | anxt | ruby is the shiznat |
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| 10:09.55 | DarthJesus | and it effects my programming * ? |
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| 10:10.06 | jelly | DarthJesus: affects was correct. |
| 10:10.12 | maligor | I know my way around C, C++, Java, Python, Ruby, Perl ect tho |
| 10:10.27 | anxt | ruby > * |
| 10:10.40 | maligor | yeah, ruby's pretty cute |
| 10:10.41 | DarthJesus | i have a themesong i listen to when i program |
| 10:10.43 | anxt | except C in some cases :) |
| 10:10.55 | maligor | I like object models |
| 10:11.00 | DarthJesus | Anthrax :: Attack of the Killer B's :: I'm The Man '91 |
| 10:11.01 | jelly | DarthJesus: 10 INPUT MONEY 20 GOTO SHOP SHOP: BUY FOOD |
| 10:11.03 | DarthJesus | :) |
| 10:11.09 | DarthJesus | that's my dev tune |
| 10:11.21 | steinchen | which forensic software would you recommend? tct? |
| 10:11.23 | anxt | i wear a sequin gown when i program |
| 10:11.32 | DarthJesus | hearing the music is like how mneumonic devices work |
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| 10:12.00 | anxt | DarthJesus: good music stimulates a part fo the brain higher than coding |
| 10:12.05 | DarthJesus | mneunonic * |
| 10:12.20 | DarthJesus | er nm |
| 10:12.24 | DarthJesus | mneumonic * |
| 10:12.24 | anxt | i like frank sinatra and small amounts of intoxicants |
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| 10:12.38 | DarthJesus | i drink dr pepper and listen to that sonhg |
| 10:12.44 | DarthJesus | in endless loop via headset |
| 10:12.52 | DarthJesus | boombox doesn't have the same effect |
| 10:12.59 | anxt | prolly usb headset damage yer brane |
| 10:13.01 | maligor | anxt, heh, that reminds me of that comic with the programming efficency/alcohol consumed chart |
| 10:13.09 | DarthJesus | listening to it from a boombox actually makes programming more difficult:/ |
| 10:13.12 | anxt | malakhi: do sahre |
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| 10:13.55 | smallGnome | bash suddenly no longer abbreviates my home directory to ~ when I specify \w as part of my prompt. how come? |
| 10:13.59 | maligor | anxt, if that misfired... http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 10:14.42 | anxt | lol |
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| 10:15.14 | anxt | aparent;y i am a programmer |
| 10:15.23 | anxt | i have a really amazing guy that took my job |
| 10:15.36 | anxt | he keeps folding me into new programming jobs |
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| 10:15.52 | anxt | first i coded a vorbis player applet in java |
| 10:16.09 | anxt | now we are doing some crazy database stuff |
| 10:16.11 | DarthJesus | are win 2k and win me the same thing? |
| 10:16.25 | cryndes | no lol |
| 10:16.25 | anxt | DarthJesus: yep. branding difference. |
| 10:16.43 | maligor | winme is the last of the win9x breed |
| 10:16.50 | maligor | 2k is NT |
| 10:17.00 | anxt | 2k pwns |
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| 10:17.16 | maligor | the windows NT's are quite usable, win 9x are completely useless trash |
| 10:17.25 | azeem | anxt: is there a particular reason you replied to that question? |
| 10:17.38 | DarthJesus | 98Dn rocks |
| 10:17.46 | DarthJesus | its a custom distro |
| 10:17.54 | anxt | azeem: i don't follow. of course there is a reason. everything is even driven |
| 10:18.13 | cryndes | that isnt a windows 9x/2k channel! ;) |
| 10:18.25 | DarthJesus | i used to have a copy of 98dn until i blew the mobo and hdd and entire power supply et all using either oem or non oem ram |
| 10:18.41 | azeem | anxt: if the reason was that you (i) fed a troll or (ii) like being off-topic, then kindly stop |
| 10:18.47 | azeem | if it was by mistake, then stop as well |
| 10:18.50 | DarthJesus | 98dn is a 98se that doesn't suck |
| 10:18.59 | azeem | DarthJesus: please keep it on topic |
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| 10:19.11 | DarthJesus | sorry :| |
| 10:19.16 | anxt | azeem: what troll feed? that w2k was the only non POS os ms released? |
| 10:19.25 | anxt | meh i won't defend them hahaha |
| 10:19.55 | azeem | DarthJesus' question was either an attempt to troll or totally off-topic |
| 10:20.00 | DarthJesus | win 1.0 was bascially a kernel modeled after qbasic's ide :| |
| 10:20.15 | azeem | 11:18 < azeem> DarthJesus: please keep it on topic |
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| 10:20.20 | DarthJesus | x.x |
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| 10:21.28 | DarthJesus | how does dosbox perform under debian in comparison to xp? |
| 10:21.41 | DarthJesus | dosbox runs like shit under xp for me |
| 10:22.03 | AdrianB | Hi all. Wondering if someone has experienced a similar problem with Macmedia flash player in Firefox: I've installed the plugin and embedded videos like youtube work, but the frame rate is *slow*, as in 1 or 2 FPS. Sound moves along fine. Any clues what the problem might be? |
| 10:22.06 | azeem | 11:19 < azeem> 11:18 < azeem> DarthJesus: please keep it on topic |
| 10:22.13 | DarthJesus | how does dosbox perform under debian in comparison to xp? |
| 10:22.17 | DarthJesus | ^ |
| 10:22.22 | onur | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.22 | azeem | DarthJesus: WTF do you assume anybody knows how something on XP performs? |
| 10:22.23 | DarthJesus | totally on topic |
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| 10:25.02 | DarthJesus | for example gwbasic 3.22 running as 8286 MS-DOS 4.x in dos box with a 350 line ega 320x200 program ends up running at 1/50th the speed it does on the original system, when using my 900mhz athlon32 with 1gb ram, and shitass gfx card |
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| 10:25.16 | DarthJesus | how would the same perform under Debian? |
| 10:25.33 | azeem | I doubt anybody in here tried that |
| 10:25.39 | azeem | so I suggest you try it yourself |
| 10:25.50 | DarthJesus | ok |
| 10:26.24 | DarthJesus | i am just curious tho, is it possible to multi-boot between xubuntu and debian without any issues? |
| 10:26.31 | maligor | sure |
| 10:26.53 | azeem | DarthJesus: don't share the swap partition if you plan to hibernate |
| 10:26.58 | azeem | otherwise, no problems |
| 10:27.06 | DarthJesus | because i am currently in question as to whether i should stick to one or the other or multi-boot |
| 10:27.15 | azeem | unless you plan to share other partitions like /home |
| 10:27.17 | maligor | hibernate to disk is stored in swap huh? |
| 10:27.35 | smallGnome | er. no. |
| 10:27.36 | azeem | maligor: usually, yes |
| 10:27.46 | smallGnome | ... |
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| 10:27.51 | DarthJesus | do there exist multi-boot distros? |
| 10:27.54 | smallGnome | i thought there was usually a partition, or a large file for that |
| 10:27.59 | azeem | DarthJesus: that is a non-sensical question |
| 10:28.09 | cryndes | btw, hows the hibarnate command? ;) |
| 10:28.10 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: what's a multi-boot distro? |
| 10:28.13 | smallGnome | bash suddenly no longer abbreviates my home directory to ~ when I specify \w as part of my prompt. how come? |
| 10:28.14 | azeem | smallGnome: you can use the swap partition for that though |
| 10:28.15 | DarthJesus | cuz i'd be interested in a pre-fab xubuntu/debian multi-boot |
| 10:28.25 | azeem | smallGnome: I guess you can also assign a different (empty) partition |
| 10:28.27 | cryndes | hibernate |
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| 10:28.57 | smallGnome | azeem: but what about the data that's in swap at the time? that might be data from running programs that they will expect to be there when the computer wakes up... |
| 10:29.14 | azeem | smallGnome: well, all is getting compressed |
| 10:29.33 | azeem | if compressed RAM + compressed swap doesn't fit, hibernate fails and you're back on your desktop |
| 10:29.44 | azeem | kill your web browser, and repeat ;) |
| 10:29.52 | smallGnome | azeem: i wouldn't trust that |
| 10:29.58 | jelly | compressed swap? |
| 10:30.04 | fluxdude | I've got a 17TB partition on a raid array that I've formatted with xfs like so "mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb1" |
| 10:30.05 | DarthJesus | do pre-fabricated mutli-boot distros exist? |
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| 10:30.12 | azeem | jelly: well maybe not |
| 10:30.19 | azeem | DarthJesus: 11:27 < azeem> DarthJesus: that is a non-sensical question |
| 10:30.22 | smallGnome | azeem: if you can't spare harddrive space the size of your memory, you need another harddrive, i say |
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| 10:30.25 | fluxdude | but when I got to mount it like so "mount -t xfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/raid" I get the following error: |
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| 10:30.29 | telexicon | Is there a way to have debian prefer one version of a kernel module over another? |
| 10:30.31 | azeem | DarthJesus: please think a bit before you ask, or do the proper research yourself |
| 10:30.34 | fluxdude | mount: Argument list too long |
| 10:30.36 | DarthJesus | o.o? |
| 10:30.38 | fluxdude | any ideas? |
| 10:30.54 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: what the heck is a multi-boot distro? what do you want? |
| 10:30.59 | DarthJesus | why can't a multi-boot rig be pre-fab then? |
| 10:31.02 | azeem | DarthJesus: you were told that a "mult-boot distro" does not exist |
| 10:31.13 | maligor | DarthJesus, multi-boot with what? |
| 10:31.21 | jelly | fluxdude: which kernel version? |
| 10:31.43 | DarthJesus | xubuntu multi-booting with Debian |
| 10:31.45 | maligor | both lilo and grub support booting selectable targets |
| 10:31.47 | fluxdude | 2.6.19 on Knoppix 5.1 |
| 10:32.02 | jelly | fluxdude: you might have to use a newer one than what's in stable; support for huge blockdevs (>2TB? >4TB?) was added recently |
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| 10:32.12 | jelly | fluxdude: ask #knoppix |
| 10:32.13 | DarthJesus | i was wondering if there was a combined installer that automatically sets up the multi-boot stuff |
| 10:32.15 | azeem | DarthJesus: that's two seperate distros |
| 10:32.23 | azeem | DarthJesus: no |
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| 10:32.29 | DarthJesus | :( |
| 10:32.30 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: "the multiboot stuff" takes 5 seconds to set up... |
| 10:32.34 | azeem | each installer sets up the multi-boot stuff for them selves |
| 10:32.40 | DarthJesus | ok |
| 10:32.55 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: just install both separately |
| 10:32.59 | DarthJesus | how do i install Debian without erasing xubuntu? |
| 10:33.14 | jelly | DarthJesus: having them use a single /boot might or might not help |
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| 10:33.56 | DarthJesus | so i need to make 6 different partions? |
| 10:34.07 | DarthJesus | 2 swap, 2 os, 2 filesystem? |
| 10:34.12 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: no. they use the same swap. and the same boot |
| 10:34.25 | DarthJesus | ok |
| 10:34.32 | jelly | smallGnome: unless one wants to hibernate one OS and switch to another |
| 10:34.36 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: you need a minimum of 3. 1 swap, one partition for each |
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| 10:35.11 | smallGnome | jelly: sure, you can always make 10 partitions too if you want and try and use the same /etc or something. there's always ways to complicate stuff |
| 10:35.15 | DarthJesus | so 1 boot sector, 2 swap partitions, and 2 os partitions? |
| 10:35.31 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: 1 swap, dammit |
| 10:35.44 | telexicon | DarthJesus, 1 boot sector? |
| 10:35.47 | DarthJesus | but jelly says something about hibernate |
| 10:36.03 | azeem | DarthJesus: boot sectors aren't partitions |
| 10:36.04 | maligor | do you really intend to use hibernate? |
| 10:36.05 | telexicon | DarthJesus, i didnt know you could have more than one |
| 10:36.13 | DarthJesus | most likely |
| 10:36.39 | jelly | smallGnome: same /etc is unlikely. but same /boot makes sense IMO |
| 10:36.40 | DarthJesus | i used to have 2 boot sectors with 98dn |
| 10:36.43 | azeem | then use seperate swap partitions |
| 10:36.43 | debian_ | Would open-ttd run on an 600mhz, 377MB ram? |
| 10:37.01 | smallGnome | debian_: yes |
| 10:37.29 | maligor | DarthJesus, perhaps you've misunderstood how pc systems boot? |
| 10:37.31 | debian_ | smallGnome: Tried it? |
| 10:37.45 | smallGnome | debian_: yes. on 400mhz |
| 10:37.52 | DarthJesus | 98dn instead of bluescreening for the same issue every time, used some method to resolve the issue so it would never occur again |
| 10:38.01 | debian_ | smallGnome: Did you have the video-card driver? |
| 10:38.07 | azeem | DarthJesus: if you don't stop talking about Windows in here, you'll get silenced |
| 10:38.12 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 10:38.14 | smallGnome | debian_: unreal tournament runs on 400mhz. open-ttd can run on a toaster. yes, i had the video card driver |
| 10:38.28 | debian_ | smallGnome: Do you think I need it? |
| 10:38.39 | smallGnome | debian_: no |
| 10:38.47 | DarthJesus | o.o |
| 10:38.50 | maligor | DarthJesus, the bootloader is a small program that lives on your mbr or partition head, the pc bios loads it (or another bootloader) and executes it |
| 10:39.20 | debian_ | maligor: Do I need an mbr partition? |
| 10:39.25 | debian_ | Can I delete it? |
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| 10:39.44 | smallGnome | ?! |
| 10:39.45 | tralala | debian_, there is no such thing |
| 10:39.53 | maligor | debian_, no, but you can install tetris on it! |
| 10:40.03 | smallGnome | debian_: or open-ttd |
| 10:40.03 | debian_ | On my mbr? |
| 10:40.16 | debian_ | smallGnome: Howto? |
| 10:40.19 | smallGnome | debian_: if you have a partition named that, then yes |
| 10:40.21 | debian_ | What file should I wget? |
| 10:40.21 | DarthJesus | is it possible to set up multiple mbr on the same partition in Debian? for redundancy sake? |
| 10:40.37 | smallGnome | debian_: http://www.fgi.org/ |
| 10:40.43 | maligor | debian_, well.. space invaders anyway, grub doesn't have tetris |
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| 10:41.22 | smallGnome | grub has space invaders? |
| 10:41.23 | smallGnome | cool |
| 10:41.31 | maligor | DarthJesus, mbr is always on the disk beginning |
| 10:41.51 | DarthJesus | strange |
| 10:42.00 | DarthJesus | nm |
| 10:42.00 | smallGnome | quite logical, i'd say |
| 10:42.06 | debian_ | smallGnome: Fashion Group INternational? |
| 10:42.07 | azeem | DarthJesus: not if you would've done research on it |
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| 10:42.15 | azeem | I guess there's a long wikipedia on MBRs |
| 10:42.19 | azeem | +article |
| 10:42.24 | debian_ | smallGnome: I wanted an howto for open-ttd |
| 10:42.27 | DarthJesus | not really considering i had a second one 1/4th thru a partition before :| |
| 10:42.41 | maligor | partitions can have bootloaders installed on them also, that's how grub chainloader is able to load windows anyway |
| 10:42.46 | smallGnome | !tell debian_ about fgi |
| 10:43.31 | maligor | smallGnome, yes, well, I've never got around to testing invaders in grub, but it has a nice package in sid atleast |
| 10:43.53 | debian_ | I forgott what my text based browser was named! What is its name? |
| 10:43.58 | DarthJesus | the second mbr was physically located 1/4th into the hdd |
| 10:44.05 | DarthJesus | x.x |
| 10:44.06 | smallGnome | debian_: lynx? links? |
| 10:44.06 | maligor | lynx, links, w3m? |
| 10:44.16 | debian_ | Links make my console die, why? |
| 10:44.24 | DarthJesus | but the hdd only had one partition according to the os x.x |
| 10:44.40 | smallGnome | debian_: read log. find error. smash error. |
| 10:45.05 | DarthJesus | must have been some special kernel magic |
| 10:45.11 | DarthJesus | : |
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| 10:45.13 | DarthJesus | :| |
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| 10:45.36 | maligor | who knows with windows |
| 10:45.43 | smallGnome | maligor: wrong channel |
| 10:45.50 | smallGnome | maligor: oh. nvm |
| 10:46.04 | Crypticfortune | what's the appropriate way to set logical names for nics? (say i want to refer to eth1 as 10g or something)? googling is turning up a bunch of esoteric and obsolete methods... |
| 10:46.32 | debian_ | Does inks support js? |
| 10:46.40 | debian_ | /inks/links |
| 10:46.50 | azeem | to some extent, yes |
| 10:46.54 | smallGnome | Crypticfortune: perhaps in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules ? |
| 10:46.58 | azeem | elinks or links2 might do better |
| 10:46.59 | debian_ | s/inks/links/s/inks/links |
| 10:47.00 | smallGnome | Crypticfortune: mind you, i'm not sure |
| 10:47.21 | DarthJesus | anyone ever try running defrag on a cdrom? |
| 10:47.28 | DarthJesus | its crazy |
| 10:47.32 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: ... |
| 10:47.33 | debian_ | azeem: It wont let me configure the modem, it refuses to follw js links! What has full JS support? |
| 10:47.43 | azeem | debian_: firefox |
| 10:47.48 | smallGnome | debian_: opera |
| 10:48.25 | DarthJesus | only reason to run defrag on a cd-rom is to map out the partition's layout and that is it :| |
| 10:48.47 | maligor | I dare say there are better ways to do that |
| 10:49.05 | smallGnome | seconded |
| 10:49.07 | DarthJesus | i once found two mbr's on a single cd-rom using defrag that way |
| 10:49.17 | DarthJesus | :O |
| 10:49.18 | debian_ | azeem: Not text based |
| 10:49.24 | debian_ | smallGnome: Not tex based! |
| 10:49.40 | debian_ | Cannot run them in the console! |
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| 10:50.57 | smallGnome | debian_: there is some fork of links that supports it, methinks |
| 10:51.08 | DarthJesus | lynx not links |
| 10:51.15 | maligor | Crypticfortune, maybe the mapping in interfaces? |
| 10:51.18 | debian_ | DarthJesus: Lybx supports it? |
| 10:51.32 | smallGnome | DarthJesus: lynx doesn't even do tables well |
| 10:51.42 | DarthJesus | obviously someone would have forked lynx to handle js by now |
| 10:51.52 | DarthJesus | ouy of the 1billion unix users on earth |
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| 10:52.08 | smallGnome | links, links, links |
| 10:54.00 | Crypticfortune | maligor: the mapping? but yes, ideally some setting in network/interfaces would be perfect |
| 10:54.23 | maligor | well, I'm not too sure what the mapping directive does really |
| 10:54.50 | DarthJesus | i first used the internet in 1992 or 1994 :| |
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| 10:54.57 | DarthJesus | :( |
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| 10:56.05 | azeem | DarthJesus: don't worry, you appear very young |
| 10:56.12 | smallGnome | !cookie DarthJesus |
| 10:56.14 | DarthJesus | that means i am like 112 years old in net years |
| 10:56.36 | debian_ | I have a program setup for vnc server, or similar. What migth it be named? |
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| 10:56.51 | smallGnome | debian_: dpkg -l | grep vnc |
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| 10:57.10 | smallGnome | debian_: and get a notebook :) |
| 10:57.26 | DarthJesus | someone needs to refill the damn cookie jar, :| |
| 10:57.48 | smallGnome | <.< |
| 10:57.50 | smallGnome | >.> |
| 10:57.58 | debian_ | smallGnome: I have an notebook (laptop?) |
| 10:58.15 | smallGnome | debian_: an analogue notebook. for writing down package names |
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| 11:00.48 | maligor | Crypticfortune, oh, it just allows multiple configurations for a interface |
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| 11:02.04 | debian_ | How can I open ports? |
| 11:02.17 | maligor | on what? |
| 11:02.17 | debian_ | without haveing js on an thopson speedtoutch! |
| 11:02.18 | smallGnome | debian_: read your router manual |
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| 11:02.40 | smallGnome | debian_: maybe via telnet. google it |
| 11:02.48 | maligor | very few have telnet |
| 11:02.50 | debian_ | smallGnome: I can usually, but I need to do it without JS, I dont have graphical! |
| 11:03.03 | pzn | Hi! is there any debian based rescue iso cd (small, preferably that fits in a card-cdrom-60Mb)? I use bbc-linux, but it is obsolete and does not have recent drivers |
| 11:03.04 | smallGnome | maligor: i said "maybe" :) |
| 11:03.41 | smallGnome | debian_: if your router doesn't support telnet, you can't do it without supporting whatever technologies the web interface uses |
| 11:03.46 | debian_ | pzn: Net inst! |
| 11:03.54 | rwp_ | IIRC all of the debian install disks have a rescue mode. |
| 11:04.01 | debian_ | smallGnome: I have an box I'm sshing inside the network! |
| 11:04.11 | rwp_ | But DSL (damn small linux) is debian based and designed to be a small rescue disk. |
| 11:04.20 | maligor | well.. with custom firmwares one can use ssh too :P |
| 11:04.31 | smallGnome | debian_: then use the browser on your local machine |
| 11:04.51 | debian_ | smallGnome: But it is an remote modem! |
| 11:05.01 | smallGnome | debian_: port forwarding |
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| 11:05.25 | debian_ | smallGnome: I'm trying to! |
| 11:05.31 | smallGnome | debian_: good luck, then |
| 11:05.55 | debian_ | smallGnome: How+ |
| 11:05.56 | debian_ | ? |
| 11:06.03 | smallGnome | debian_: ssh port forwarding. bloody google it |
| 11:06.45 | Crypticfortune | maligor: I think I'll give ifrename a shot. |
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| 11:09.57 | pzn | debian_, rwp thanks! |
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| 11:14.28 | debian_ | pzn: It worked? |
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| 11:15.26 | pzn | debian_, downloading iso image... it will take time, 128kdsl... |
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| 11:20.47 | ia-32 | what is a good wireless pcmcia card to mod with a better antenna? |
| 11:21.41 | martian67 | buy one with an antenna |
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| 11:22.02 | gordonjcp | ia-32: Lucent Orinoco |
| 11:22.04 | martian67 | like why go to the trouble really, if you are already buying one |
| 11:22.21 | gordonjcp | you can get new Orinocos from Proxim, as the "Orinoco Classic" |
| 11:22.53 | ManuP | do you recommend to compile programs by yourself? i need ffmpeg with amr support. so i suppose, i have no choice other than compile by myself |
| 11:23.16 | gordonjcp | ManuP: needs must... |
| 11:23.59 | ManuP | is there an other way to convert videos to 3gp/mp4 for mobile phones? |
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| 11:27.35 | XoX | where does one find drivers for PostScript printers for cups |
| 11:28.05 | ManuP | other question: do i have to run make install? all this does, is copying files to restricted dirs, doesnt it? |
| 11:28.22 | jelly | XoX: vendors web pages? |
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| 11:29.43 | tralala | XoX, postscript printers don't need drivers |
| 11:30.02 | jelly | XoX: decent vendors (say, Kyocera) already have .ppd files for CUPS on the driver cdrom |
| 11:30.03 | XoX | they need a .ppd file though no? |
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| 11:31.46 | tralala | can't cups just use a generic ps printer? |
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| 11:33.15 | XoX | tralala, each vendor has a different .ppd file |
| 11:33.32 | ilreds | hi to all |
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| 11:35.44 | ilreds | inserting configuration of two ethernet cards into /etc/network/interfaces, only one go up at boot time. The second one hasn't gateway and dns information. Can you help me? |
| 11:35.54 | liable | cups can use postscriptif the printer vendor isnt a retard |
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| 11:36.34 | cryndes | ilreds: u need to define the auto ethx option, to get up at boot time |
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| 11:37.11 | cryndes | ilreds: for each interface, maybe the second interface doesnt have the auto ethX option ;) |
| 11:37.41 | cryndes | liable: and u dont need the dns server or gateway, address and netmask should be enougth |
| 11:38.26 | XoX | "For the printing system getting access to the printer-specific features the manufacturer supplies a PPD file for every PostScript printer. Use this PPD file instead of a Foomatic-generated one to get all functionality of your PostScript printer working. " |
| 11:38.36 | ilreds | cryndes, thanks, i'm applaying modifications |
| 11:38.46 | cryndes | np |
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| 11:39.15 | DeFirence | sigh, i wish i knew more about nix :/ |
| 11:39.23 | cryndes | ilreds: before u reboot try the configuration with ifup ethX or first ifdown ethX |
| 11:39.51 | DeFirence | im running 10 windows virtual machines, which im gonna have to change to 50 and i know nix could do the same with 1 |
| 11:39.57 | DeFirence | :( |
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| 11:41.07 | ManuP | if i make install sth. do i have to save the output or is saved automatically? |
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| 11:42.12 | gordonjcp | ManuP: yes, but bear in mind that some of these files may be libraries that need to be in a specific place |
| 11:42.20 | gordonjcp | ManuP: look into "checkinstall" |
| 11:42.40 | liable | ManuP: in what context? |
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| 11:43.03 | ManuP | gordonjcp, i do not have checkinstall |
| 11:43.18 | ManuP | gordonjcp, assuming you ment a file in the dir. |
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| 11:43.34 | gordonjcp | ManuP: google... |
| 11:44.00 | ManuP | liable, i just make installed three things and i need now to see the output of the first... |
| 11:44.04 | ManuP | !checkinstall |
| 11:44.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 |
| 11:44.12 | ManuP | :) |
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| 11:44.33 | ManuP | i think this is enough, tanks so far. |
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| 11:45.21 | DustyBin | what tool(s) would one use to rip a audio cd into flac format? |
| 11:45.24 | dererk | !blame Holborn |
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| 11:46.29 | tralala | DustyBin, a cd ripper and a flac encoder |
| 11:47.10 | liable | thanks mr obvious! |
| 11:47.16 | danisahne | i want to use an existing Windows Active Directory account under Linux |
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| 11:47.24 | danisahne | i have set up kerberos and get a ticket |
| 11:47.28 | tralala | !shoot liable |
| 11:47.33 | danisahne | but winbindd says cant get SID |
| 11:47.55 | danisahne | do i have to join again? |
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| 11:52.45 | cmanns | What causes sendmail-mta to use like 8% cpu? |
| 11:53.54 | streuner | MTA diseases? |
| 11:54.16 | streuner | cmanns: Why do you use sendmail at all? |
| 11:54.25 | cryndes | cmanns: use postfix ;) |
| 11:54.36 | cmanns | dunno the difference but ok lol |
| 11:54.48 | streuner | !sendmail |
| 11:54.48 | dpkg | i guess sendmail is a huge bloated insecure <Mail Transfer Agent>. Also me ask about <sendmail rant> and <mta comparison>. |
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| 11:55.36 | voltagex | hi, if I want something to run at 6am every 3rd day, how would I do that? |
| 11:55.37 | streuner | cmanns: or exim |
| 11:55.38 | voltagex | in cron |
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| 11:56.01 | petemc | that sendmail rant is a stupid factoid |
| 11:56.11 | petemc | !factinfo sendmail rant |
| 11:56.11 | dpkg | sendmail rant -- created by mhall <n=mhall@uop-14-62.pacific.edu> at Wed Jan 18 17:50:27 2006 (763 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by ronr, 24s ago. |
| 11:56.20 | streuner | !sendmail rant |
| 11:56.20 | dpkg | sendmail rant is probably using sendmail is like driving a mercedes, at first it's all luxury and the status quo of saying "hey I drive a luxury car despite what people say about driving a german car," but when it breaks down and then you can't track down a mechanic and parts cost a lot and it takes a lot to repair and it gets stolen a lot you sort of get tired of it. --maq0r |
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| 11:56.47 | streuner | !forget sentmail rant |
| 11:56.47 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'sentmail rant' to forget, streuner |
| 11:56.54 | streuner | hm |
| 11:57.02 | petemc | problem with tense |
| 11:57.10 | streuner | !forget sendmail rant |
| 11:57.10 | dpkg | i forgot sendmail rant, streuner |
| 11:57.26 | cmanns | So which should I go with? |
| 11:57.29 | streuner | petemc: hm, i thought you removed the factoid already |
| 11:57.36 | petemc | negative |
| 11:57.42 | petemc | cmanns: exim4 is goode, as is postfix |
| 11:57.43 | liable | roger |
| 11:57.47 | streuner | cmanns: that's up to you |
| 11:58.03 | cmanns | Only php scripts use mail so idk :/ |
| 11:58.12 | streuner | cmanns: exim is default, but many people use postfix in Debian as well |
| 12:00.04 | Llama | Hi. How could I run two instances of dhcp server on different interfaces ? |
| 12:00.44 | gordonjcp | hm |
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| 12:00.54 | Llama | I set up both dhcpd3 to start on specified interface, but it fail to bind to 0.0.0.0 |
| 12:00.57 | gordonjcp | offtopic I know, but I wouldn't agree with the sendmail rant |
| 12:00.59 | xored | having the damain-name set in the DHCP configuration means, that when i use "test" as url, and domain name is mydomain.tld, its getting translated to test.mydamain.tld? |
| 12:01.19 | gordonjcp | for one thing Mercedeses break down *a lot*, but bits are cheap |
| 12:01.27 | deoks | Llama: You've probably have to specifiy a different network interface for the second dhcp server. |
| 12:01.30 | gordonjcp | but it's often as easy just to replace the whole car and keep the bits you like |
| 12:01.33 | simonrvn | test there is called subdomain, not url |
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| 12:01.40 | ManuP | what do i do with a command/adress like this: svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg ? |
| 12:02.06 | ManuP | do i have to add this to sources.list? |
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| 12:02.21 | Llama | deoks, I do. I start both dhcpd with dirrerent interfaces. |
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| 12:02.38 | pablo | hi, is there any way to list packages that have been installed as recommended? |
| 12:02.42 | gordonjcp | ManuP: no, read the instructions carefully |
| 12:02.58 | simonrvn | ManuP: means you're checking out code from an svn repo. if you have to ask that, use a backport instead if this is for etch |
| 12:02.58 | ManuP | gordonjcp, i wish i had instructions :) |
| 12:03.24 | simonrvn | actually, just use their packages... |
| 12:03.46 | ManuP | simonrvn, i wish i could use backport. 1. i use lenny 64bit, 2. i didnt find ffmpeg with arm support in backport :/ |
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| 12:03.52 | gan | how to develop the kernel in debian |
| 12:03.58 | ManuP | !ffmpeg |
| 12:03.58 | dpkg | Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer |
| 12:04.14 | tralala | ManuP, /msg dpkg multimedia |
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| 12:05.10 | simonrvn | ManuP: be easier for you to get the source package then and build it |
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| 12:05.20 | gan | hai how to find out the difference between the two kernel version , it means by feature or something else |
| 12:05.30 | ManuP | simonrvn, so i should download a tar file of ffmpeg ? |
| 12:06.07 | simonrvn | ffmpeg has packages there, get source package (apt-get source whatever) a la simple sid backport |
| 12:06.11 | tralala | gan, by reading the changelog |
| 12:06.18 | simonrvn | and follow those inst. |
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| 12:07.20 | gan | tralala, kernel is a tar only, in that how i will get the changelog file |
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| 12:08.33 | simonrvn | !tar |
| 12:08.33 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
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| 12:09.02 | rdz | hi all. is it possible to specify separate IP ranges for accessing different ssh accounts? |
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| 12:09.55 | Ramattack | Helo! |
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| 12:10.07 | consfearacy | gan, the changelogs are probably available on the kernel website |
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| 12:10.19 | Ramattack | I'm trying to install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql in debian etch or libapache-mod-auth-mysql |
| 12:10.38 | Ramattack | and have seen they aren't in repositories because they're buggy |
| 12:10.51 | gan | tralala, k, if i want to develop something ,how to |
| 12:10.54 | Ramattack | in sarge the package has become buggy too? |
| 12:11.18 | Ramattack | I say because I'm running some debian sarge machines with this module... and wanted to know if something could happen |
| 12:11.33 | Ramattack | in debian package site of sarge package doesn't say nothing... |
| 12:11.51 | liable | gan: if you really have an interest in that sort of thing, you should subscribe to the lkml and see what you think after reading that for a while |
| 12:11.54 | Ramattack | is it ok this package? or just sarge packages are not advised of bugs now that etch is stable? |
| 12:12.31 | simonrvn | sarge isn't going to be supported for much longer... |
| 12:12.36 | gan | liable, lkml is a site |
| 12:13.02 | liable | gan: it hosts the mailing list. subscribe to it. |
| 12:13.17 | simonrvn | !lkml |
| 12:13.17 | Ramattack | simonrvn, I know but... |
| 12:13.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 12:13.19 | gan | liable, ok thanks |
| 12:13.25 | Ramattack | if a package becomes buggy in sarge |
| 12:13.44 | simonrvn | then it's buggy |
| 12:13.52 | Ramattack | in the packages.debian.org web is advised? and removed too from sarge repositories? |
| 12:14.24 | Ramattack | no I mean... when something becomes buggy in sarge is it advised in packages.debian.org? |
| 12:14.32 | Ramattack | if it's not actual stable? |
| 12:14.39 | Ramattack | for example sarge packages? |
| 12:14.40 | jelly | Ramattack: noone cares about oldstable that much any more, only critical and security bugs are fixed |
| 12:14.56 | Crypticfortune | smallGnome: after tinkering around with ifrename i decided just using z25_persistent-net.rules was definitely the way to go. thanks |
| 12:15.28 | jelly | Ramattack: and by this time there's little chance that one will stumble onto a previously unknown critical bug in oldstable |
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| 12:16.52 | rdz | i would like to create an ssh account, that is accessible only from one IP, while all other accounts should remain accessible by any IP address. is that setup possible? or is there a better way to limit ssh access to this account? |
| 12:17.31 | tralala | rdz, what's the purpose of having such an account? |
| 12:17.58 | martian67 | rdz, perfectly possible |
| 12:18.10 | martian67 | is this on a local network? |
| 12:19.00 | rdz | tralala, there is a computer in a local network running a servive and a server with a public ip. i would like to write a script that keeps a tunnel alive, so that the service on the local computer is accessible over the server with t he public ip |
| 12:19.09 | rdz | martian67, how? |
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| 12:19.46 | rdz | martian67, i would like to create an 'ssh -R' tunnel for portforwarding |
| 12:19.58 | deoks | What's your opinion on running a stable release with testing and/or unstable packages? |
| 12:20.08 | martian67 | rdz, hmmm |
| 12:20.13 | liable | deoks: stupid idea |
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| 12:20.16 | Ramattack | ok so you advise me not to use sarge because non-critical bugs can appear and nobody to take account of it.... but my main question is if some package in sarge becomes buggy today will be advised in debian.org web for nobody to use it or automatically to upgrade? |
| 12:20.24 | martian67 | how are addresses assigned on your network? |
| 12:20.25 | deoks | liable: Why? |
| 12:20.35 | martian67 | is the forced DHCP? |
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| 12:20.38 | martian67 | *is it |
| 12:20.48 | rdz | martian67, in order to keep the tunnel alive, the local computer needs ssh access, but at the same time i don't want to make this account publicly accessible |
| 12:20.49 | azeem | Ramattack: what do you mean with "becomes buggy today" |
| 12:21.02 | Ramattack | I have two servers running mod-auth-mysql |
| 12:21.03 | azeem | Ramattack: software which does not change does not magically become buggy |
| 12:21.13 | Ramattack | no but can appear bugs |
| 12:21.17 | liable | deoks: because you lose security support, its likely to break in the future, and we wont want to help you with it. |
| 12:21.21 | Ramattack | and this servers run sarge |
| 12:21.22 | rdz | martian67, the local computer get's his address by a dhcp server, the server has it's own ip |
| 12:21.30 | Ramattack | this package has been removed from etch |
| 12:21.40 | Ramattack | so my question is... |
| 12:21.50 | Insolit | anyone here using xrandr can tell me how to put the desktop menu in my laptop monitor, instead of being in the external monitor? |
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| 12:22.05 | martian67 | rdz, but is it authenticated? |
| 12:22.05 | Ramattack | perhaps this package is buggy on sarge or is failure that has known now... but not before.... |
| 12:22.14 | deoks | liable: What do you mean by "security support"?. Running old packages from the stable release may contain loads of security holes and bugs anyway |
| 12:22.18 | Ramattack | and would like to know if sarge package is too buggy or not... |
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| 12:22.43 | rdz | martian67, sorry, what does 'authenticated' mean in that context? |
| 12:22.44 | liable | deoks: wtf? stable is exactly that, and supported by debian security |
| 12:22.54 | liable | deoks: do you know how debian works? |
| 12:23.00 | Ramattack | because if it's buggy what could I do? I can't upgrade to etch because it's not package for that |
| 12:23.06 | martian67 | rdz, to obtain a DHCP address you have to authenticate |
| 12:23.16 | martian67 | an address from dhcp rather |
| 12:23.26 | deoks | liable: I've started to read about it yes. I've been using freebsd systems before. But I wouldn't say Firefox 2.0.0.6 is "stable". |
| 12:23.30 | Ramattack | so how I know if mod-auth-mysql old sarge package is not buggy? looking at packages.debian.org and seeing if something is set there? |
| 12:23.35 | deoks | liable: And it is included in the "stable" release. |
| 12:24.06 | liable | deoks: dude, dont go throwing around release numbers untill you actually understand the way stable works. |
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| 12:24.16 | azeem | Ramattack: if it's not in sarge, you can assume that it either did not exist back then, or was/is too buggy |
| 12:24.19 | tralala | martian67, you do? I've never used any dhcp authentication. |
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| 12:24.26 | ManuP | !3gp |
| 12:24.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 3gp is a simplified version of the MPEG-4 Part 14 (MP4) container format, designed to decrease storage and bandwidth requirements in order to accommodate mobile phones. It stores video streams as MPEG-4 or H.263 or H.264, and audio streams as AMR-NB or AAC-LC. A 3GP file is always big-endian, storing and transferring the most significant bytes first. It also contains descriptions of image sizes and bitrate. |
| 12:24.57 | ManuP | !big-endian |
| 12:24.58 | dpkg | big-endian is, like, a way of storing data in memory with the most significant bits first. It is used by most platforms except Intel, or optional on alpha, alpha's default is little-endian |
| 12:25.10 | liable | deoks: and i suggest you see why debian renamed firefox to iceweasel as a good example of this |
| 12:25.14 | rdz | martian67, sorry, i can't quite follow you.. i don't see in which direction you're trying to go.. the local computer gets an ip assigned from the dhcp (router), so i think it does authenticate |
| 12:25.15 | Ramattack | azeem, it exists in sarge today, but not in etch |
| 12:25.20 | ManuP | where do i get gp3 codec? |
| 12:25.25 | Ramattack | in etch has discovered a bug |
| 12:25.28 | rdz | however, the server and the local computer do _not_ run in the same network |
| 12:25.29 | deoks | liable: Well. I've read that Debians stable releases are considered as tested and all that. But still im using programs which doesn't work so well. |
| 12:25.30 | ManuP | s/gp3/3gp |
| 12:25.34 | Ramattack | this bug is too in sarge package? how could I see it? |
| 12:25.39 | azeem | Ramattack: then either the bug got introduced between sarge and etch |
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| 12:25.56 | deoks | liable: That is the reason I would like to use apt-get -t distrubution .. |
| 12:25.56 | Ramattack | so sarge package is fine...? |
| 12:25.56 | rdz | martian67, there is no way i can access the local computer from the server, that is why i have to the other way. |
| 12:25.58 | azeem | Ramattack: or the bug was not considered severe enough or not detected for sarge |
| 12:26.03 | rdz | *go |
| 12:26.05 | deoks | liable: ..for some packages. |
| 12:26.18 | tralala | rdz, so basically you want a local computer to provide a service, exposed via the servers public IP, where the local computer IP is changing? |
| 12:26.19 | azeem | Ramattack: if you run sarge, why don't you just try to reproduce the bug? |
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| 12:26.25 | Ramattack | so in sarge in packages.debian.org would be noticed it then am I wrong? |
| 12:26.38 | azeem | would be noticed it what? |
| 12:26.50 | azeem | you totally cannot generalize this |
| 12:26.50 | rdz | tralala, actually the ip of the local computer is not changing, but yeah that is the case |
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| 12:26.56 | liable | deoks: so use whatever you want, i was just explaining the reasons not to.. |
| 12:26.57 | azeem | it's a very package-specific thing |
| 12:27.03 | Ramattack | in packages.debian.org in the web of this package in sarge... say something as package buggy in red or something... |
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| 12:27.14 | deoks | liable: Allright. Why do you think it will broke? |
| 12:27.17 | azeem | Ramattack: dude, what do you think "something is buggy" means? |
| 12:27.21 | rdz | tralala, the local dhcp is configured in a way that it assigns always the same adresses to the same computers |
| 12:27.26 | azeem | Ramattack: *every* program has bugs |
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| 12:27.37 | deoks | liable: Isn't there lots of stable packages in the testing and unstable release? |
| 12:27.44 | azeem | Ramattack: the question is whether the bugs are severe enough to warrant it not shipping in Debian or not |
| 12:27.49 | Ramattack | azeem, I mean some critical failure wich could hack you're machine for example |
| 12:27.53 | liable | deoks: if you dont understand how it can break, then i really dont suggest you do it. |
| 12:27.54 | Ramattack | or discovers things of it |
| 12:28.09 | azeem | Ramattack: that'd be a security issue and would be addressed by the security team |
| 12:28.14 | azeem | for either sarge or etch |
| 12:28.17 | rdz | tralala, the problem is, that when the tunnel is not used, the connection is closed (probably by the firewall of the local network?). so i need to write a script to keep the tunnel alive |
| 12:28.22 | liable | deoks: dependancy hell is one thing many people from other distros might understand |
| 12:28.41 | Ramattack | azso sarge is nowadays supported in security? |
| 12:28.57 | liable | for the moment |
| 12:29.04 | Ramattack | sorry azeem |
| 12:29.08 | Ramattack | that was for you |
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| 12:29.42 | deoks | liable: I guess I have to try it out. Im running the whole distribution as "testing" now. |
| 12:29.43 | azeem | Ramattack: it's still supported but support will end soonish (next few months I think) |
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| 12:30.08 | doublehp | where to read documentation about X drivers ? I need to learn about evdev and mouse driver options. |
| 12:30.19 | liable | deoks: why bother asking then if you arent running stable anyway? |
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| 12:30.27 | Ramattack | ok so if any bug or critical problem would be fixed then by security |
| 12:30.40 | deoks | liable: Because I was curious about peoples opinions and experiences. |
| 12:30.59 | azeem | Ramattack: critical problems which are security relevant |
| 12:31.01 | liable | deoks: but why did you ask about stable to start with? |
| 12:31.16 | Ramattack | liable, for knowing what to do... I can't have a bug in my server wich could cause the server to have security problems or my dmz... |
| 12:31.20 | azeem | Ramattack: other critical problems might get addressed for a point release, or the package might get removed from the distribution |
| 12:31.28 | tralala | rdz, I thought you wanted to limit the access to this account. |
| 12:32.06 | liable | Ramattack: why are you still running sarge? |
| 12:32.07 | deoks | liable: Why? Because I was curious |
| 12:32.17 | Ramattack | so in sarge if a package can run you into problems nowadays it's removed too? |
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| 12:32.28 | azeem | Ramattack: eh |
| 12:32.31 | RichiH | so,who will attend fosdem? |
| 12:32.37 | Ramattack | liable, because those servers can't have stopped |
| 12:32.39 | azeem | Ramattack: did you purposedly overead the "might"? |
| 12:32.46 | azeem | RichiH: I will |
| 12:32.49 | Ramattack | ok... |
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| 12:33.01 | azeem | RichiH: it'd be totally hilarious if we met at FOSDEM for the first time you know |
| 12:33.20 | Ramattack | If I would upgrade to etch now I won't have a package for this purpose... |
| 12:33.30 | Ramattack | so upgrading perhaps is worst this time... |
| 12:33.35 | liable | Ramattack: thats a pretty silly reason to run a soon not to be supported release |
| 12:33.40 | rdz | tralala, ah sorry, i misunderstood your question.. .. the public ip of the local network isn't changing as well.. and yeah, i want to limit access to this account to only the public ip of the local network, where the computer running the service is part of.. sorry for the confusion |
| 12:33.54 | RichiH | azeem: unless you have the same flight, that is what will happen, though :) |
| 12:34.12 | liable | Ramattack: once sarge is no longer supported you will be in for a hell of a time if you have to upgrade through two releases |
| 12:34.32 | Ramattack | liable, when you have hundreds of users it's not easy to stop a machine... |
| 12:34.47 | liable | Ramattack: excuses.. |
| 12:35.05 | RichiH | azeem: when & how do you arrive? |
| 12:35.07 | liable | Ramattack: every other debian admin manages it. i guess they mustn't have many users.. |
| 12:35.32 | Ramattack | or perhaps yes... but it depends on several things |
| 12:35.38 | tralala | rdz, I can't see an easy way to limit the accessibility of the account |
| 12:35.44 | rdz | tralala, the local computer has always the same public ip and only from this local network the ssh access to the server should be allowed. however the same server is running other ssh accounts as well and i don't want to limit those |
| 12:35.57 | Ramattack | one the users, two the time for testing all that in etch, three other jobs.... |
| 12:36.00 | Ramattack | it's not easy |
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| 12:36.26 | liable | Ramattack: then tell your boss you need a second machine for migration. |
| 12:36.29 | rdz | tralala, is it possible to create a user account without password, and i only give the key to the local computer, so that it's the only computer that can access this account? |
| 12:36.49 | azeem | RichiH: by train, Friday 5PM |
| 12:37.01 | azeem | RichiH: I'll be at the beer event on Friday evening |
| 12:37.09 | RichiH | same |
| 12:37.12 | Ramattack | liable, lol... that's easy to say when you're company gives you all you need as an admin... |
| 12:37.17 | Ramattack | that's not the real world... |
| 12:37.30 | RichiH | azeem: i will be the guy in the black t-shirt |
| 12:37.32 | RichiH | :p |
| 12:37.41 | liable | Ramattack: yes, and its easy to whine in #debian rather than do what you should.. lol |
| 12:37.46 | azeem | RichiH: scribble "RichiH" on it in Deckweiss |
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| 12:38.34 | Ramattack | should go now... liable I'm not whining just asking... |
| 12:38.40 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates |
| 12:38.41 | Ramattack | see u |
| 12:39.00 | ronr | I use dovecot for my local mail delivery and got quota support enabled, which uses maildir++, but somehow sometimes the maildirsize gets screwed up, causing message to be rejected while there's plenty of free quota, what can I do about this? |
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| 12:41.17 | tralala | rdz, you can put a manual password hash in /etc/shadow - one that is highly unlikely to match any password. But this is not limiting the access to this account any more than having a good randomly generated password. |
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| 12:42.15 | rdz | tralala, ok.. thanks for your help |
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| 12:42.36 | Insolit | no one here uses xrandr? :( |
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| 12:43.34 | ia-32 | no what is it insolit? |
| 12:43.43 | Zoup` | How can i change keyboard repeat speed in console ? |
| 12:43.48 | rdz | Insolit, i used it a bit, but i missed your question |
| 12:43.52 | Zoup` | How can i scroll up in console ? |
| 12:44.34 | tralala | rdz, you're welcome |
| 12:44.42 | Insolit | well can't find no where how to put the desktop menu showing up in the laptop monitor |
| 12:44.48 | Insolit | instead of the external monitor |
| 12:44.58 | Insolit | i can't believe this ain't a possibility :S |
| 12:45.05 | Insolit | *possible |
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| 12:50.40 | damdalf | hi :D |
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| 12:54.07 | ManuP | !libx264 |
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| 12:54.14 | ManuP | !x264 |
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| 12:55.38 | liable | !h264 |
| 12:55.44 | liable | meh |
| 12:57.01 | mahesh | can any one how to update my kernel |
| 12:57.13 | ManuP | !x264-bin |
| 12:57.15 | ManuP | :( |
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| 12:57.36 | liable | ManuP: apt-get install new-kernel |
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| 12:57.50 | consfearacy | mahesh, you need to download the newest kernel first, then untar it and read its INSTALL file |
| 12:58.03 | consfearacy | err, liable's solution seems better |
| 12:58.12 | cloakable | heh |
| 12:58.25 | mahesh | i've tried that!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 12:58.26 | ManuP | liable, video-encoding has sth. to do with kernel? |
| 12:58.44 | mahesh | shall i need to add any repositories? |
| 12:58.48 | liable | ManuP: not really, no. |
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| 12:59.08 | ManuP | liable, what do you mean then with new-kernel? |
| 12:59.11 | liable | ManuP: sorry, i meant to say that to mahesh |
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| 12:59.32 | ManuP | liable, oh, k |
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| 13:00.07 | ManuP | does someone know where i can get h264 codecs? |
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| 13:00.28 | liable | !debian-multimedia |
| 13:00.29 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 13:00.29 | azeem | ManuP: you can buy them from Fluendo I think |
| 13:00.35 | azeem | or debian-multimedia |
| 13:00.52 | smhar | greetings, |
| 13:01.11 | ManuP | for ubuntu there is a package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/sound/x264-bin |
| 13:01.21 | ManuP | !debian-multimedia |
| 13:01.22 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 13:01.37 | liable | why do you need to repeat that? |
| 13:01.56 | ManuP | liable, oh, i am sorry. didnt read that |
| 13:02.13 | ManuP | but dpkg is nice and told me again :D |
| 13:02.23 | pablo | hi, is there any way to list packages that have been installed as recommended? |
| 13:02.40 | smhar | I am trying to use virtualbox on my debian testing to install a virtual LAMP debian server. when trying to run the newly created vm I got this error: 'he vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root. |
| 13:03.01 | smhar | I did that but I always get 'FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.' error |
| 13:03.04 | cloakable | I'm having trouble with VPN and knetworkmanager |
| 13:04.57 | smhar | I am running kernel 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 13:04.59 | doublehp | where to read documentation about X drivers ? I need to learn about evdev and mouse driver options. |
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| 13:05.57 | nebM0ft | What's the package name for acroread? |
| 13:06.00 | cloakable | I've installed network-manager-gnome to get the vpn configuration, but trying to add a network fails, as it can't find vpnc, presumably. |
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| 13:09.40 | dresstein_ | hello |
| 13:10.37 | dresstein_ | I can not get jack sound server to work; when ever I start it and try to play a sound file I get the error "The audio output is being used by an other application" |
| 13:12.00 | cryndes | !jack |
| 13:12.00 | dpkg | hmm... jack is http://jackit.sf.net/, or http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/, or a low latency audio server, or a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything.... |
| 13:12.09 | dresstein_ | my plan is to use brutefir to make an electronic crossover on my computer; but I can not get that to work with ALSA, so I am going to try using JACK |
| 13:12.50 | cryndes | try esd |
| 13:13.20 | dresstein_ | cryndes, is esd not an older standard? or does that not matter? |
| 13:13.40 | dresstein_ | dpkg, jack is http://jackaudio.org/ |
| 13:13.40 | dpkg | ...but jack is already something else... |
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| 13:14.08 | aspect | isn't jack betterer? |
| 13:14.11 | eth01 | hiya |
| 13:14.12 | cryndes | dresstein_: dunno, most people are using esd or artd |
| 13:14.34 | dresstein_ | dpkg, as I have understood the jack sound server can be used to send audio output from one application to another |
| 13:14.48 | dresstein_ | I need Amarok to send to brutefir :-) |
| 13:15.29 | cryndes | dresstein_: man u talking with a bot lol |
| 13:15.33 | cryndes | !esd |
| 13:15.33 | dpkg | somebody said esd was the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 13:16.38 | dresstein_ | cryndes, dpkg is a bot? |
| 13:16.51 | cryndes | yes lol |
| 13:17.02 | dresstein_ | doh! lol |
| 13:17.19 | smhar | anyone using virtual box? |
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| 13:19.35 | eth01 | i suspect. |
| 13:19.48 | nebM0ft | Is there anything better than apt-get.org? It is very slow and never finds anything useful |
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| 13:20.00 | rdz | i would like to create a permanent ssh tunnel. however, after some time unused, the connection is closed. what is the best strategy to keep it alive? |
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| 13:20.01 | eth01 | google is your friend :p |
| 13:20.19 | eth01 | rdz, keep the session open between you and the server? |
| 13:20.25 | nebM0ft | eth01: I need a vmware deb pkg can't find it anywhere |
| 13:20.35 | nebM0ft | I am sure someone made it... |
| 13:20.38 | eth01 | nebM0ft, check there website. |
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| 13:21.20 | rdz | eth01, how? |
| 13:21.35 | nebM0ft | eth01: They only have a tarball and an rpm |
| 13:21.38 | eth01 | rdz, is that a sourceforge server by any chance? |
| 13:21.45 | rdz | eth01, after some time the connection is closed by the firewall. |
| 13:21.47 | rdz | eth01, no |
| 13:21.52 | nebM0ft | can i convert rpm's to debs? |
| 13:21.54 | eth01 | rdz, you got root? |
| 13:22.02 | rdz | eth01, yo, on both machines |
| 13:22.10 | rdz | eth01, why? |
| 13:22.15 | eth01 | change the timeout limit in sshd_config? |
| 13:22.52 | rdz | eth01, and what if someone plugs on computer out of the network and after sometime plugs it in again? |
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| 13:23.25 | rdz | eth01, what is the best strategy to recreate the tunnel again, no matter what happens? |
| 13:24.30 | eth01 | rdz, use a vpn as oppose to using a SSH tunnel. |
| 13:24.41 | dresstein_ | hmm... I have just read about ESD, it is an alternative to JACK; but as I understand JACK is to prefer |
| 13:24.52 | eth01 | you'll find it has more advantages. |
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| 13:25.23 | rdz | eth01, thanks.. i'll check that |
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| 13:26.04 | dresstein_ | what puzzles me is that a friend of mine using the Gentoo distro could install JACK using emerge jack (similar to aptitude install jack in debian) and he got the JACK sound server in the list of audio outputs strait ahead |
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| 13:26.54 | disposable | how do i enable logging with tftpd-hpa? does it even support it? |
| 13:27.07 | disposable | google does not reveal much |
| 13:27.54 | Daviey | disposable: it can log to syslog iirc |
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| 13:28.22 | Hoxzer | Somebody here tried Flava I have cupple of questions of its features |
| 13:28.25 | Hoxzer | ? |
| 13:28.45 | disposable | Daviey, thank you |
| 13:28.56 | eth01 | disposable, ls /var/log/* ? |
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| 13:30.14 | disposable | eth01, it uses syslog as Daviey said. |
| 13:30.23 | disposable | eth01, /var/log/syslog |
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| 13:32.39 | DustyBin | would libfaad2 decode a AAC as well as the original apple decoder? |
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| 13:34.58 | cryndes | rdz: u whant a permanent tunnel, then try openvpn ;) |
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| 13:35.14 | need-help | hi |
| 13:35.16 | need-help | all |
| 13:35.16 | rdz | cryndes, thanks.. i am lookint at it |
| 13:35.26 | need-help | i am new with debian |
| 13:35.33 | cryndes | hi need-help |
| 13:35.55 | need-help | can zou tell me how to configure mz network |
| 13:36.06 | cryndes | mz? |
| 13:36.20 | need-help | my |
| 13:36.22 | need-help | sorrz |
| 13:36.26 | cryndes | need-help: first set your keyboard layout, dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 13:36.46 | need-help | ok |
| 13:36.48 | need-help | sorry |
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| 13:37.21 | need-help | can you help me configure my network |
| 13:37.31 | cryndes | need-help: what u exactly mean ;) |
| 13:37.36 | amphi | need-help: man 5 interfaces |
| 13:37.38 | cryndes | did u tried google? |
| 13:37.41 | cryndes | !google |
| 13:37.42 | dpkg | [google] a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 13:37.49 | need-help | yes |
| 13:38.01 | need-help | i am now editing that interface |
| 13:38.06 | need-help | but |
| 13:38.35 | need-help | i did iface eth1 inet static |
| 13:38.50 | need-help | i put my addree |
| 13:38.57 | need-help | then netmask |
| 13:38.59 | need-help | right |
| 13:39.18 | need-help | then i have item called network |
| 13:39.27 | need-help | which ip to put for that? |
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| 13:40.18 | cryndes | need-help: need-help: what ip do u have? is it in lan or not? |
| 13:40.21 | amphi | you don't really need that |
| 13:40.33 | need-help | ahh |
| 13:40.35 | cryndes | need-help: u need the address and netmask and the gateway |
| 13:40.43 | need-help | :-) |
| 13:40.51 | cryndes | and broadcast ;) |
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| 13:40.57 | need-help | i have netmask and gateway |
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| 13:41.05 | cryndes | need-help: whats the problem then? |
| 13:41.08 | need-help | but i didn´t know what is network |
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| 13:41.54 | ShredZ | How does one install vmware console on lenny ? |
| 13:42.11 | need-help | so i need only : addres, netmask and gateway |
| 13:42.23 | amphi | that'll do |
| 13:42.26 | cryndes | and broadcast |
| 13:43.33 | cryndes | !man interfaces |
| 13:43.33 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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| 13:45.22 | simmerz | can etch be made to run on 16MB RAM? |
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| 13:45.59 | aspect | etch can run on a cardboard box |
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| 13:46.22 | aspect | wait, that's netbsd. etch might |
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| 13:48.15 | simmerz | all I want to do is run a syslog-ng server. nothing else |
| 13:48.24 | simmerz | in a Xen domU |
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| 13:49.23 | chairmeleon | Hello |
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| 13:49.41 | chairmeleon | Just switched to debian lenny full-time, and I'm having a minor annoyance |
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| 13:50.37 | chairmeleon | I can't automount my local non-system ext3 partitions even though they are visible in Konqueror. Neither can I change the mounting options for the only thing that DOES automount correctly, my external USB hard drive |
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| 13:50.52 | chairmeleon | any clues as to what the problem might be? |
| 13:50.52 | ksv | anyone use debmirror for etch-backports/contrib ? |
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| 13:53.41 | creature | Hello. I have a Debian laptop that's running a custom-compiled kernel. How do I tell Debian that I want to use a packaged kernel instead? |
| 13:53.56 | idimmu | shout at it |
| 13:54.10 | valdyn | !installit |
| 13:54.11 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 13:58.26 | shinobi2 | there used to be screen shot of how to install debian, where is it? |
| 14:00.16 | DawnLight | shinobi2: wtf? |
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| 14:01.13 | shinobi2 | DawnLight: yeah, there was, even though it's easy, it was there before |
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| 14:02.12 | DawnLight | !tell shinobi2 about i-g |
| 14:02.32 | ManuP | ffmpeg gives me [libamr_nb @ 0xa92aa0]bitrate not supported: use one of 4.75k, 5.15k, 5.9k, 6.7k, 7.4k, 7.95k, 10.2k or 12.2k Error while opening codec for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height. |
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| 14:02.46 | ManuP | i dont know what i have to do to make this work. |
| 14:02.48 | DawnLight | !give shinobi2 an installation guide |
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| 14:02.51 | ManuP | can someone hel? |
| 14:03.19 | DawnLight | ManuP: using etch? |
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| 14:03.35 | ManuP | DawnLight, no. lenny 64bit |
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| 14:03.53 | shinobi2 | DawnLight: i don't need installation guide. i know how to install it. i want to see screen shot. screenshot gone =( |
| 14:03.59 | DawnLight | ManuP: you should be using etch. check bug reports |
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| 14:04.34 | DawnLight | shinobi2: i guess this is for showing it to someone |
| 14:05.08 | DawnLight | there are some screenshots in the debian.exe site, iirc. note that debian.exe isn't supported here |
| 14:05.41 | ManuP | DawnLight, oh... is this a bug? |
| 14:05.49 | DawnLight | ManuP: don't know |
| 14:05.58 | shinobi2 | oh...i found screen shot |
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| 14:07.27 | ManuP | ffmpeg tells to use other bitrate, but with other bitrate it doesnt work either. |
| 14:07.50 | ManuP | but on many pages i found -b 64.... |
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| 14:10.49 | need-help | hi all |
| 14:11.00 | gold44 | will debian-dvd1.iso have all the stuff in there , so i get gnome desktop in the end? |
| 14:11.04 | need-help | if i would like to set a static ip |
| 14:11.10 | need-help | in interface |
| 14:11.24 | need-help | do i use eth0 |
| 14:11.27 | need-help | or eth1 |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | either |
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| 14:11.37 | abrotman | whichever you have |
| 14:11.40 | abrotman | or both |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | gold44: it has a lot of stuff ... /msg dpkg cd contents .. if you want to know more |
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| 14:12.44 | need-help | and waht is lo |
| 14:12.45 | gold44 | !dpkg |
| 14:12.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me. |
| 14:13.03 | gold44 | abrotman: thx |
| 14:13.07 | cryndes | need-help: loopback device |
| 14:13.15 | need-help | ??? |
| 14:13.28 | cryndes | need-help: lo is = loopback device |
| 14:13.35 | need-help | i need a static ip |
| 14:13.39 | airtonarantes | need-help, loopBacj, 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:13.50 | need-help | i see |
| 14:13.55 | cryndes | need-help: look on google man |
| 14:14.01 | need-help | i need only static ip |
| 14:14.09 | cryndes | need-help: dont ask questions like this |
| 14:14.17 | need-help | how to find out on eth0 or eth1 |
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| 14:15.05 | need-help | ok thank you anyway |
| 14:15.13 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 14:15.13 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 14:15.52 | gold44 | want to verify, after i downloaded all 3 dvd iso(s), i will have everything. will not need to connect online to install apts? |
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| 14:16.05 | need-help | thak you dpkg |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | gold44: if you want stuff from contrib or non-free .. you will need http/ftp apt sources |
| 14:17.03 | gold44 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:17.19 | abrotman | gold44: but do you really want to download all three? |
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| 14:17.39 | abrotman | gold44: most people get along fine with the netinst and then use http sources for the rest |
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| 14:17.52 | gold44 | abrotman: why not just incase. it's for an non-internet machine |
| 14:18.24 | mplex | how can I find out if debian will support my raid controller? |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | gold44: ah .. makes sense then |
| 14:18.34 | abrotman | mplex: does linux? |
| 14:18.36 | mplex | its a perc 6/i |
| 14:18.38 | mplex | yea |
| 14:18.39 | gold44 | abrotman: probably i will get by 1st month with just dvd1 and later download dvd2 and 3 , just for the kicks |
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| 14:19.06 | mplex | if worst came to worst and it was not supported on the mainline etch install, what could I do? |
| 14:19.15 | cryndes | mplex: www.kernel.org |
| 14:19.28 | cryndes | it isnt a debian thing, its a kernel thing ;) |
| 14:19.31 | mplex | sure |
| 14:19.32 | cryndes | or try in #kernel |
| 14:19.45 | mplex | but how would I get debian to install if I couldnt use the installers kernel? |
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| 14:20.24 | cryndes | mplex: u can load drivers from floppy, or from cd throu installation |
| 14:20.33 | abrotman | mplex: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:20.40 | aspect | this is probably the wrong place to ask, but: how do I alter thunar's associations with various file-types? |
| 14:20.46 | abrotman | mplex: kmuto are etch installers with newer kernels |
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| 14:20.52 | mplex | sweet, thanks |
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| 14:23.34 | alpaco | hi, how do i get emacs for my debian shell? |
| 14:23.50 | cryndes | !apt-get |
| 14:23.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
| 14:23.55 | alpaco | there are some 10 packages which have emacs in their name |
| 14:24.08 | alpaco | i donno which one to apt-get |
| 14:24.45 | gold44 | abrotman: midnight commander and sun java are non-free? i am reading the list but i dont see it. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/list-dvd/ |
| 14:25.17 | alpaco | gold44: the wikipedia has info on whether they are free and licensing terms |
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| 14:25.50 | gold44 | alpaco: thx |
| 14:26.12 | alpaco | gold44: midnight commander is under the gpl |
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| 14:26.55 | gold44 | alpaco: yes, i just found out |
| 14:27.22 | alpaco | gold44: wow! i didn't know sun java was dual licensed under the gpl |
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| 14:27.43 | gold44 | alpaco: sun java to is gpl |
| 14:28.01 | tralala | not completely I think |
| 14:28.11 | gold44 | i think i have to search with hyphen --> sun-java instead of sun java |
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| 14:31.13 | alpaco | Sun's goal is to replace the parts that remain proprietary and closed-source with alternative implementations and make the class library completely free and open source. |
| 14:31.18 | alpaco | coooooooooooooool |
| 14:31.29 | abrotman | gold44: i don't think mc is .. java is non-free |
| 14:31.34 | gold44 | i searched the list for the 3 dvds, but i can't find midnight commander and sun java. can someone verify? |
| 14:32.02 | alpaco | abrotman: please tell us why java is non-free? |
| 14:32.04 | tralala | gold44, mc is in main |
| 14:32.22 | gold44 | tralala: in ubuntu mc is in multiverse |
| 14:32.42 | gold44 | crap, does that mean, i have to compile it myself? |
| 14:32.50 | tralala | gold44, in fedora it might be in extras, so what? |
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| 14:32.53 | gold44 | or apt-zip the bugga |
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| 14:34.17 | alpaco | abrotman: java is under the gpl so is mc |
| 14:35.18 | alpaco | abrotman: or am i missing something? |
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| 14:35.40 | abrotman | alpaco: it is not fully GPLed yet |
| 14:35.51 | abrotman | gold44: the package is called "mc" |
| 14:35.52 | gold44 | http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=midnight i am trying the web interface now, but can't find mc and sun-java |
| 14:35.59 | alpaco | abrotman: hmm, that's right |
| 14:36.00 | amelia | is it possible to install packages for debian 3.1 on debian 4.0 without breaking anything? |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | !info mc etch |
| 14:36.07 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 2087 kB, Installed size: 5396 kB |
| 14:36.15 | gold44 | abrotman: mc-4 or something |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | amelia: maybe .. depends on the package |
| 14:36.29 | abrotman | gold44: huh? it's 4.6.x |
| 14:36.32 | amelia | abrotman: ok... |
| 14:37.02 | alpaco | which package do i have to apt-get in order to run emacs under the shell? |
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| 14:37.45 | tralala | alpaco, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:38.07 | gold44 | abrotman: ok, so i search "mc" at http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=mc but found nothing when i do a filter "midnight" |
| 14:38.21 | alpaco | tralala: there are many packages which have emacs in their name, i'm not sure which one to download! |
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| 14:39.03 | tralala | alpaco, look at the descriptions. You can use aptitude interactively to do so. |
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| 14:40.08 | alpaco | tralala: thx |
| 14:40.14 | tralala | alpaco, wc |
| 14:40.35 | DawnLight | exim question: if my smarthost is gmail-smtp.l.google.com and the number bit changes, what would be correct syntax for the smtp client password line? i've tried several and "Connecting to gmail-smtp.l.google.com [66.249.91.109]:465 ... connected" is the last line before i don't get further output from a queue run |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | gold44: let me find it |
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| 14:41.15 | abrotman | gold44: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=&l=http%3A%2F%2Fcdimage.debian.org%2Fcdimage%2Frelease%2F4.0_r3%2Fi386%2Fjigdo-dvd%2Fdebian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.jigdo |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | gold44: that's every package on DVD1 |
| 14:41.29 | abrotman | gold44: and mc is on there |
| 14:41.36 | debian_ | abrotman: You always have an answer! Jay! |
| 14:41.47 | tralala | DawnLight, I use two lines *.gmail.com and *.google.com |
| 14:42.04 | DawnLight | tralala: thanks |
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| 14:43.08 | debian_ | Hello |
| 14:43.12 | debian_ | Dohj |
| 14:43.19 | tralala | DawnLight, you're welcome |
| 14:43.22 | gold44 | abrotman: i can find "emelfm" |
| 14:43.51 | abrotman | can or cannot ? |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | and i have no idea what emelfm is |
| 14:44.47 | gold44 | abrotman: ah... it's "mc_4.xxxx" not "mc-4xxx" and not "midnight" ... |
| 14:45.06 | abrotman | gold44: i said that five minutes ago |
| 14:45.13 | gold44 | you did? |
| 14:45.24 | abrotman | scroll up a bit |
| 14:45.32 | chomwitt | hi from greece, i have lenny as repositorie and i cant find filezilla, but i found that there is a deb package in etch http://packages.debian.org/etch/filezilla , How can it be only in etch and what would should i do to get it smoothly (dependencies resolved etc) ? |
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| 14:46.00 | abrotman | !why is filezilla not in testing |
| 14:46.00 | dpkg | filezilla is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=filezilla |
| 14:46.28 | abrotman | gold44: and emelfm is on DVD3 |
| 14:46.33 | gold44 | abrotman: i am talking about the underscore part |
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| 14:46.44 | abrotman | gold44: i'm not sure why that matters .. but okay |
| 14:46.45 | gold44 | abrotman: yeah, emelfm, i found |
| 14:47.12 | abrotman | gold44: there are other X file managers like xfe and gentoo and a few others .. they might be on DVD1 |
| 14:47.18 | gold44 | abrotman: after i search "mc" i use firefox to filter by using "mc-" and not "mc_" |
| 14:47.23 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 14:47.42 | gold44 | no, mc kicks ass!!! |
| 14:47.55 | abrotman | i meant instead of emelfm |
| 14:48.30 | gold44 | oh... emelfm is my 2nd best friend, next to mc |
| 14:48.33 | chomwitt | thanks for the info , must i change sources.list in order to install filezilla from etch ? |
| 14:49.14 | n3kl | I am unable to mount an md raid partition. I get a message saying that it is already mounted or is busy. I just rebooted, and I checked /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab. The filesystem is not mounted. |
| 14:50.03 | tralala | chomwitt, /msg dpkg shake |
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| 14:52.12 | dave007 | Hi, does anyone have experience with webcams under linux, and the gspca module? |
| 14:52.18 | n3kl | correction, I *can* mkdir tmp; mount -t xfs /dev/bla tmp. I just can mount -a to get the filesystem mounted. |
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| 14:52.32 | tralala | dave007, I have a "works fine" experience |
| 14:52.33 | chomwitt | tralala: so i basically messed things up? should i stick to stable only? I chose lenny before i could find some packages about wifi cards in etch :-( .. |
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| 14:52.57 | abrotman | chomwitt: which version of debian are you on now ? |
| 14:53.02 | chomwitt | tralala: could->couldn't |
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| 14:53.17 | chomwitt | abrotman: lenny |
| 14:53.19 | tralala | chomwitt, yes, you should stick to stable. There are various ways to address hardware/software problems in etch, without the need to go to lenny |
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| 14:54.23 | chomwitt | tralala: i thought that being in lenny i'd never have to upgrade because i would have always the latest packages! |
| 14:54.45 | dave007 | tralala, I'm using unstable, and a 2.6.24-1 kernel with the gscpa and sn9c102 modules and when I run camorama I get a "Could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) Please check connection". But /dev/video0 does exists, and it has the right permissions, so I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
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| 14:55.11 | totocool | hi all how can i get info abouth my VGA |
| 14:55.12 | totocool | ? |
| 14:55.19 | gold44 | abrotman: can you search sun java for me please =) ? |
| 14:55.35 | piju | gold44, java on debian ver ? |
| 14:55.44 | tralala | totocool, lspci -v should give you plenty (although probably not all) |
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| 14:56.04 | gold44 | piju: debian 4r3 |
| 14:56.19 | piju | gold44, arch ? |
| 14:56.23 | gold44 | either java 1.5 or java 1.5 |
| 14:56.31 | gold44 | piju: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=java+1.6 |
| 14:56.36 | piju | gold44, apt-get install |
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| 14:56.44 | tralala | chomwitt, you were wrong. Also you didn't think that you'll have the latest bugs too. |
| 14:57.27 | gold44 | piju: i am not on debain yet. on ubuntu. plan to install non-internet box with debian 4r3. want to make sure everything i need are in the 3 dvd iso(s) |
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| 14:57.57 | piju | gold44, carry on |
| 14:58.00 | tralala | dave007, try mplayer -tv <optionlist> tv:// (see the manual for the options) |
| 14:58.25 | ShredZ | I seem to be missing something to make my i965 run glx accelerated in lenny :/ |
| 14:58.45 | gold44 | tired... |
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| 14:58.53 | piju | ShredZ, me too, i got problem same with u |
| 14:58.57 | piju | ShredZ, lenny amd64 |
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| 14:59.09 | piju | ShredZ, same chipset |
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| 14:59.16 | AreidY | I got a strange error-MSG when addin 2 Streams with MP4Box, has someone an idea to that error? ( *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0806f070 *** ) |
| 14:59.26 | totocool | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 29c2 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 14:59.41 | chomwitt | but, if i have etch, there is no smooth transition to the next stable version (lenny) but whene lenny is released i'd have to download many many packages..(if i got the dist upgrade procedure right..) |
| 14:59.59 | totocool | hmm is there any way to identify it and ged a driver working or it`s inposoble |
| 15:00.00 | totocool | ? |
| 15:00.04 | tralala | totocool, /msg dpkg pciids |
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| 15:00.40 | tralala | chomwitt, and why is this a problem? |
| 15:00.43 | ShredZ | piju, I got it working :) |
| 15:00.58 | piju | ShredZ, can i private msg u ? |
| 15:01.03 | ShredZ | piju, sure |
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| 15:01.49 | totocool | tralala, what sould that do ? |
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| 15:02.05 | totocool | except to send msg to dpkg |
| 15:02.05 | totocool | ? |
| 15:02.24 | tralala | totocool, you should follow the instruction dpkg will give you |
| 15:02.59 | ShredZ | Is there no emerald in debian lenny ? |
| 15:03.10 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.27 | piju | ShredZ, * Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
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| 15:04.43 | piju | ShredZ, got ym id ? |
| 15:05.21 | piju | ShredZ, i already got emerald here on my lenny |
| 15:05.40 | piju | ShredZ, * Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 15:06.25 | piju | ShredZ, got ym id ? |
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| 15:06.40 | piju | ShredZ, i cant reply ur msg on private, i didnt register |
| 15:06.56 | ShredZ | piju, go to #piju then :) |
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| 15:11.54 | piju | ShredZ; are u therE? |
| 15:11.54 | ivalladt | upgrading to sid, libc6 breaks, "readlink invalid option", "relocation error", any ideas? |
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| 15:12.28 | RyanRyan52 | ivalladt: rm -fr /lib/tls/* |
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| 15:12.38 | RyanRyan52 | ivalladt: maybe... |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:12.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 15:12.43 | ShredZ | if I install libc6-i686 will it be used automatically ? |
| 15:12.57 | ivalladt | RyanRyan52: uhm... risky? |
| 15:13.10 | RyanRyan52 | don't do it |
| 15:13.22 | RyanRyan52 | nvm...I didn't read your thing completely |
| 15:14.16 | ivalladt | version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined (...) ld-linux.so.2 etc. any ideas? |
| 15:14.57 | abrotman | ivalladt: have you checked the BTS ? |
| 15:15.06 | RyanRyan52 | last night I tried to get wireless working and I installed the firmware-iwlwifi package and started configureing it but it did not work. (My wireless light never even came on) so I finally said screw it and got out the ubuntu disk. It works fine with ubuntu. but I really want Debian. Did I forget to do sometihing? |
| 15:15.08 | ivalladt | abrotman: querybts also breaks :) |
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| 15:17.12 | ivalladt | abrotman: found bug #465844 |
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| 15:17.21 | debian_ | Can an linux computer send shutdown to an windows computer? |
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| 15:18.36 | ivalladt | kRyan52: |
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| 15:18.52 | debian_ | abrotman: I'm sure you knwo. |
| 15:18.56 | ivalladt | RyanRyan52: worked removing /lib/tls/* thanks! |
| 15:20.31 | Roman123 | I running debian etch and since I'm always getting in trouble with wrong charset encodings in context with mysql I'm trying to figure where the problem is. Why is no "character-set-server = <whatever>" in my.cnf on debian? |
| 15:20.46 | RyanRyan52 | ivalladt: ohh....I guess it was the same problem as I had last night :D |
| 15:20.50 | Roman123 | My guess it that many problems are caused by this missing entry. |
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| 15:25.43 | abrotman | debian_: never tried .. google may know |
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| 15:26.11 | debian_ | abrotman: Something you dont know Oo? |
| 15:26.20 | abrotman | debian_: i don't know your shoe size either |
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| 15:26.35 | debian_ | abrotman: Sure you do, it is 44 |
| 15:26.41 | debian_ | ish |
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| 15:31.17 | flokuehn | 16:20 < Roman123> I running debian etch and since I'm always getting in trouble with wrong charset encodings in context with mysql |
| 15:31.26 | ronr | I use dovecot for my local mail delivery and got quota support enabled, which uses maildir++, but somehow sometimes the maildirsize gets screwed up, causing message to be rejected while there's plenty of free quota, what can I do about this? |
| 15:31.50 | Roman123 | flokuehn: yes? |
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| 15:31.53 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 15:32.13 | Maxfactor | where will I ge a good image of debian in cd tobuy? |
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| 15:32.44 | Alexismoy | Is there a guy here who is good in configuring amavisd-new and spamassassin with debian package? (because I'v got a problem :s) |
| 15:33.00 | flokuehn | hmm. sorry. mistake. just moved the mouse while getting some chips. sorry |
| 15:33.15 | Roman123 | hehe |
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| 15:34.08 | Oaks | Does anyone here have experience with the Intel 915GM chipset and displaying X in a widescreen format? |
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| 15:35.01 | tesla | thats what she said. |
| 15:35.22 | debian_ | abrotman: How can I tunell all ports from windows box, to linux box? |
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| 15:37.06 | Oaks | debian_: I'd suggest an SSH tunnel, but what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 15:38.17 | debian_ | Oaks: Make all my data become encrypted and sent throught my home computer |
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| 15:38.36 | t04no | where do i have to put an xmodmap call in debian ? .(x|X)session is not working |
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| 15:39.06 | Akatemik | t04no: .xinitrc? |
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| 15:39.25 | Oaks | debian_: are you trying to do this for web browsing? using chat clients? |
| 15:39.26 | Akatemik | It depends on whether you are using an dm or running X directly |
| 15:40.03 | t04no | Akatemik: i'm using gdm |
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| 15:41.05 | ronr | !tell Alexismoy about ask |
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| 15:45.16 | Assid | err does grub have a default password ? |
| 15:45.19 | Assid | i got a remote box.. had someone install r2 on it.. and did an apt-get dist-upgrade which updated the kernel. now they are reporting its asking for a password to start |
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| 15:45.52 | ronr | Assid: no, grub doesn't maybe they think the console login is scary? |
| 15:46.48 | Assid | err no.. i dont see the box on their network.. i asked them whats on the screen.. they said its asking for a password.. no login nothing.. just password |
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| 15:48.18 | Assid | sounded like a bios password.. but it cant be that .. cause i was just working on it and after the dist-upgrade.. it started asking for the password |
| 15:48.30 | Assid | (after the reboot for that i.e.) |
| 15:48.32 | ronr | Assid: maybe the disk check went bad and they're now in maintaining password (alternative for CTRL+D)? |
| 15:49.01 | Assid | thought of that.. he says its plain blank.. and asking for password |
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| 15:49.16 | debian_ | Oaks: Yes everythin |
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| 15:49.55 | ronr | Assid: let him take a picture of it so you can see for yourself |
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| 15:50.05 | Assid | no camera |
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| 15:50.28 | Assid | i keep asking them to get me a damn kvm/ip |
| 15:50.40 | S4nD3r | When I hit ctrl+alt+f1 I dont have access to terminal, just monitor gives a message that the resolution is too high... Where change it ? |
| 15:50.47 | curz0r | anyone else noticing degrading performance from today's frame-buffer lib update? |
| 15:51.00 | Oaks | debian_: for web/chat traffic, I'd suggest setting up a proxy on the linux system, setup an SSH tunnel to that system, then configure your browser and chat client to use 127.0.0.1 as the proxy, which will then forward all your traffic through that tunnel |
| 15:51.24 | Oaks | debian_: if you want a place to store files and the like, use an SFTP client to connect to your linux box |
| 15:51.58 | ronr | Assid: how many kilometers (or miles if you prefer) are we talking about? |
| 15:52.31 | Assid | err continents.. |
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| 15:53.19 | xlotlu | is it possible to have a sata disk get its device letter based on the port it's plugged into? |
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| 15:53.52 | Assid | ronr: distance between mumbai/bombay -> new york ? |
| 15:54.01 | felix_da_catz | So does anyone know of any issues with ucarp I should be wary of? I want to setup a failover pop3/imap server. |
| 15:54.12 | ronr | Assid: ok, so going there is not an option, could you let them boot from some live cd, mount / and manually check grub for a password? |
| 15:55.07 | ronr | Assid: about 8000 I guess |
| 15:55.15 | ronr | (miles) |
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| 15:55.20 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.17 | curz0r | S4nD3r: terminal |
| 15:56.29 | S4nD3r | Where do I setup those terminals ? |
| 15:56.56 | curz0r | S4nD3r: define "setup"? What do you want to do? |
| 15:57.05 | S4nD3r | Id like to use them. |
| 15:57.16 | S4nD3r | When I hit ctrl+alt+f1 I dont have access to terminal, just monitor gives a message that the resolution is too high... Where change it ? |
| 15:57.29 | curz0r | resolution is too high? |
| 15:57.35 | curz0r | that might be a bootloader issue. |
| 15:57.44 | S4nD3r | ummm |
| 15:57.47 | S4nD3r | grub ?! |
| 15:57.50 | curz0r | yeah |
| 15:57.58 | Assid | i think its the bios password |
| 15:58.22 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.31 | curz0r | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:58.33 | S4nD3r | put it off this vga=791, right ? |
| 15:58.38 | curz0r | yeah |
| 15:58.41 | curz0r | give that a shot. |
| 15:58.46 | curz0r | just remove it all together. |
| 15:58.51 | curz0r | "vga=791" |
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| 15:59.03 | curz0r | 791 is standard though, so I don't know why that would matter. |
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| 15:59.17 | curz0r | try it anyway |
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| 16:09.29 | jim | hi. where in konsole do I say "run shells as login shells"? |
| 16:09.34 | cheetahw26 | sorry stupid ?... but what install should i use for 64bit on intel ? |
| 16:09.36 | cheetahw26 | ia64 ? |
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| 16:10.40 | amphi | cheetahw26: amd64 |
| 16:10.43 | cheetahw26 | or what does the ia stand for ? |
| 16:10.53 | amphi | cheetahw26: ia64 is for itanic |
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| 16:11.52 | jim | you might want to consider sticking with 32bit, it's a failing of the compilers, they don't work with every package yet, this is being worked on. meanwhile, I had a 64b (amd64) debian which was nice but I reformatted (all but my separate /home partition) and went back to i386 where the compilers have worked well since 1994 or so |
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| 16:13.08 | jim | hi. where in konsole do I say "run shells as login shells"? |
| 16:13.21 | cheetahw26 | i have 6GB of ram... |
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| 16:13.36 | cheetahw26 | will the 32 bit recognize.. patch or something ? |
| 16:15.58 | jim | I believe you could run amd64 kernel while still having 32b userland |
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| 16:16.34 | chandor | cheetahw26: install -bigmem kernel |
| 16:16.58 | jim | how big is big for that? |
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| 16:17.34 | chandor | !bigmem |
| 16:17.35 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
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| 16:18.47 | io2 | i am having some problems with synching my palm TX to pilot-link... it just doesn't find the device, although it's listed on lsusb.. |
| 16:18.53 | io2 | how can i find out what port it uses? |
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| 16:19.16 | cheetahw26 | with bigmem i should still install the 32bit version ? |
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| 16:20.52 | chandor | cheetahw26: yes |
| 16:21.05 | cheetahw26 | great... thats perfect |
| 16:21.13 | cheetahw26 | thank you for the help, installing now |
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| 16:23.25 | xalanthyr | can i use other de than gnome in debian? |
| 16:23.53 | drwahl | xalanthyr: there are many desktop environments you can use in debian |
| 16:24.05 | drwahl | such as kde, e17, fluxbox, just to name a few |
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| 16:24.26 | xalanthyr | which one are the lightest? |
| 16:24.37 | xalanthyr | flux? |
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| 16:24.56 | helo | of those, yes |
| 16:25.09 | drwahl | i'm no expert in this realm of things, but flux seems to be prefered when it comes to a lightweight DE, also e17 is pretty light |
| 16:25.49 | io2 | there's xfce too, if you like gtk but want something light |
| 16:26.03 | drwahl | ah, yes. cant forget xfce :) |
| 16:26.15 | xalanthyr | i'd like to install debian in few days, but my computer isn't powerful that's why i want to install debian with light de |
| 16:26.31 | xalanthyr | can i use fluxbox alone? |
| 16:26.37 | io2 | xalanthyr, yes, you can |
| 16:26.38 | n3kl | woot flux! |
| 16:26.43 | drwahl | define "not powerful" we talking a 300MGhz system? |
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| 16:26.53 | io2 | a 486? xD |
| 16:27.05 | xalanthyr | 950MHz |
| 16:27.17 | n3kl | xalanthyr: dood, run anything |
| 16:27.23 | drwahl | meh, that isnt bad. depending on what you are trying to acomplish, kde would be fine |
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| 16:27.34 | sysadmin-lb22 | what does this process do /usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp |
| 16:27.48 | xalanthyr | but i want also to play (form time to time) games under wine and i want the de to be light |
| 16:28.34 | helo | if you haven't used linux before, know that the more lightweight choices will likely be more different than what you are used to using |
| 16:28.59 | drwahl | xalanthyr: i have not issue with light DEs, but i am most familiar with kde, as would most newbies to linux |
| 16:29.09 | helo | unmitigated, fluxbox tends to piss off windows users, in my experience |
| 16:29.19 | Fah | xalanthyr: I had a similar setup for similar reasons. I used fluxbox for gaming sessions and changed window managers for a more 'traditional' desktop shell type environment otherwise. It's pretty trivial to do |
| 16:29.19 | io2 | xalanthyr, i think the best thing you do is google around for different GUIs and look some of their screenshots.. go for something you like :) |
| 16:29.32 | xalanthyr | i'm already using ubuntu for about 2 months and i tried alredy fluxbox |
| 16:29.40 | Fah | In fact, at one point I was using a .xinitrc to run the game under wine as thecontroling process for X |
| 16:29.55 | Fah | at that point there was no window manager, just the game running |
| 16:30.11 | helo | so how is your addiction to wow doing these days? :) |
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| 16:30.47 | Fah | wow? this was to play unreal back in the day :) |
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| 16:30.49 | xalanthyr | i don't like wow ;), just wanted to play some old good euo |
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| 16:31.30 | xalanthyr | Fah: how did you do that? |
| 16:31.32 | Fah | honestly wow is way less sensitive to performance/fps than shooters are |
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| 16:32.15 | Fah | xalanthyr: I used startx to start up X rather than a login manager. Then I just put the command to launch the game in my $HOME/.xinitrc |
| 16:32.30 | leonardo | hi anyone know a PIM software that are able to add custom fields? |
| 16:32.50 | Fah | if you're using a login manager like xdm or whatever, youc an do something similarwith $HOME/.xsession (which should be a shell script and set executable) |
| 16:33.04 | rahul | uh |
| 16:33.14 | rahul | Fah: it's the same for startx and login managers |
| 16:33.15 | io2 | usb 1-8: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 25 <- do anyone know if it's possible to know what /dev/ this is identified by only this line? |
| 16:33.17 | Fah | when I was done gaming, I'd rename it, restore the standard one |
| 16:33.20 | Roman123 | Is this a bug in the debian package of phpmyadmin? The collation of a mysql table is utf8, the mysql default charset and connection charset is set to utf8, the page info in the browser says also utf8. If I insert an umlaut using phpmyadmin into a database, browse to the site (page info in the browser says utf8), the character is screwed up. When I switch the browser mode to iso-8859-1, the umlaut is shown correct. It seems that phpmyadmin inserts the |
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| 16:33.26 | rahul | Fah: you should be using .xsession for startx, too |
| 16:34.09 | xalanthyr | Fah: can you explain it more simply - like for newbie? ;D |
| 16:34.09 | Fah | rahul: It used to be that .xinitrc worked for startx and .xession was for xdm |
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| 16:34.09 | rahul | xalanthyr: man xsession |
| 16:34.09 | rahul | Fah: hmm, that was about a decade ago |
| 16:34.15 | Fah | rahul: ut came out about that long ago |
| 16:34.31 | Fah | but, it's good to know. either way, the concept is the same |
| 16:34.42 | rahul | yeah, maybe right when it came out, the scripts were all wacky like that |
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| 16:35.11 | Fah | yeah, this was long before the xorg stuff came about and fixed a lot of weirdness |
| 16:35.33 | rahul | xorg has nothing to do with this |
| 16:35.40 | rahul | it's the debian xinit scripts |
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| 16:35.58 | rahul | it was changed at least 5 years ago, I'm sure |
| 16:35.59 | Fah | xalanthyr: The simplest thing for you to do is probably run a lightweight window manager while you get familiar with how X works |
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| 16:36.34 | Fah | rahul: oh, ok. I'm not %100 sure if I was runnig debian at the time, but I'm pretty sure I was |
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| 16:38.57 | t04no | hi. i'm using gdm and trying to figure out what init-script to use for my x-window session. .xsession, .xinitrc didn't work .Xclients either. what to try next ? |
| 16:38.59 | xalanthyr | Fah: i'll give it a try right away |
| 16:39.26 | pzn_lunch | I need something similar to a reverse-vnc-connection (listen mode of vnc), but for ssh. Is there any debian package for doing that? |
| 16:39.48 | pzn_lunch | It maybe telnet/unencripted, if there is no ssh option for that |
| 16:40.00 | Fah | t04no: my understanding is that you need to use $HOME/.xsession and make it executable. I can't test this now though |
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| 16:41.31 | t04no | Fah: i made .Xclients executable but forgot with .xsession. will try that ... |
| 16:42.01 | Fah | make sure the command you put in it are in your path when it gets executed also |
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| 16:44.14 | t04no | Fah: thx, i'll be back if doesn't work :) |
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| 16:46.39 | rahul | you don't need to make .xsession executable |
| 16:46.40 | rahul | man xsession |
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| 16:47.20 | rahul | if you have a .xinitrc, it will override the debian xinitrc and .xsession won't get used |
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| 16:47.48 | jim_p | hi |
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| 16:56.10 | norrsken | i have an issue with the Nvidia 8600 GT graphics card driver and Debian. The first time i installed it and i was about to choose nvidia in X server it seem to crash? The whole screen became black and X/gdm didnt start?? |
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| 16:56.57 | norrsken | i could not log in or do anything |
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| 16:58.03 | Yarcanox | how can I get glib2.0 to a newer version? |
| 16:58.10 | Yarcanox | I came across many programs that need 2.1 or 2.4 |
| 16:58.16 | Yarcanox | why does debian still use old 2.0? |
| 16:58.28 | eth01 | try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:58.32 | norrsken | doesnt debian have support for that driver or? |
| 16:58.33 | streuner | Yarcanox: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:58.33 | Yarcanox | and what is the easiest way of installing 2.4? there are no packages for it, and I am pretty unexperienced with that |
| 16:58.52 | Yarcanox | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 16:59.11 | streuner | !+tell Yarcanox -about backports |
| 16:59.13 | dpkg | told Yarcanox about backports. |
| 16:59.31 | Yarcanox | backport? |
| 16:59.33 | Yarcanox | why backport? |
| 16:59.44 | Yarcanox | my version is too old, not too new |
| 17:00.04 | Yarcanox | i A libglib2.0-0 - The GLib library of C routines <= this is the installed lib, and that's what I'm talking about |
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| 17:00.30 | Yarcanox | or is my version too old? I don't think so, it more seems to me like I have 2.0 installed and that program tells me it needs 2.1 |
| 17:00.48 | streuner | what app? |
| 17:00.57 | Yarcanox | GTK radiant |
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| 17:01.19 | Yarcanox | it's a modified version of the original q3 level editor from id software |
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| 17:04.53 | streuner | Yarcanox: wait, there is no 2.1 version |
| 17:05.00 | abcd | hi to all ,how to know the cuurent using ext3 filesystem capacity limit? |
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| 17:05.08 | Yarcanox | streuner sure? I am pretty sure I had 2.4 on ubuntu |
| 17:05.28 | streuner | Yarcanox: show us the whole error message in paste.debian.net |
| 17:05.29 | Yarcanox | I compiled SDL to 2.4 which complained here about having a too old glib version |
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| 17:05.40 | Yarcanox | This installation doesn't support glibc-2.1 on Linux / x86 |
| 17:05.47 | Yarcanox | Please contact Id software technical support at bugs@idsoftware.com |
| 17:05.52 | Yarcanox | pretty simple |
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| 17:06.26 | abcd | Yarcanox:i am using ext3 filesystem,i want to know its limit..any command?? |
| 17:06.35 | zinx | 'limit'? |
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| 17:06.46 | Yarcanox | why do you ask me? :D I have no idea^^ |
| 17:06.48 | zinx | df will show free/used space |
| 17:06.57 | zinx | for all mounted filesystems |
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| 17:07.08 | chops | Does anyone have a recommendation for which iSCSI initiator utilities to use on a Debian system? |
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| 17:07.22 | abcd | zinx : in tera byte or giga byte..how much it can support? |
| 17:07.41 | jim | chops: I'd personally recommend ones that work! |
| 17:07.41 | gamag | is there any desktop widget for GNome in Debian that will let me monitor the CPU temperatures, memory, CPU usage, etc.? |
| 17:07.42 | chops | I'm planning to use clvm and add an LVM physical volume... but I'm not familiar with the various options. |
| 17:07.46 | chops | jim: Thanks :-) |
| 17:07.55 | zinx | abcd: ext3 in general? i think it can go up to a few petabytes, but you'll run in to partitioning problems at 2TB (due to the use of DOS partitions) or so |
| 17:08.13 | jim | what's clvm? |
| 17:08.15 | chops | jim: I was just wondering if anyone happened to have experience with the various options... |
| 17:08.17 | zinx | abcd: it may go higher than a few petabytes.. that number was accurate for ext2 |
| 17:08.44 | streuner | Yarcanox: care to show us the whole error? |
| 17:08.47 | chops | jim: According to the package description, it allows the creation of LVM volumes on iSCSI volumes |
| 17:08.51 | abcd | zinx:to amke support for more size what i have to do?? |
| 17:08.52 | Yarcanox | streuner it *is* the whole error |
| 17:09.12 | jim | you mean PVs? |
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| 17:09.26 | abcd | zinx: i want to change my ext3 capacity up 8 TB |
| 17:09.27 | zinx | abcd: more than a few petabytes? what are you trying to do? |
| 17:09.28 | Yarcanox | http://paste.debian.net/49626 streuner view here the shell script code which seems to be the part that detects the glib |
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| 17:09.39 | zinx | abcd: is it on a hardware RAID array? |
| 17:09.46 | chops | jim: The description says LVs... PVs make more sense. |
| 17:09.46 | Yarcanox | but it really seems like the debian glib package is just too old, because some ubuntu guy appearently has a newer version of it in his packages |
| 17:09.50 | abcd | zinx:yes |
| 17:09.52 | zinx | abcd: i think you need to use parted to make the partition |
| 17:10.08 | zinx | abcd: do note that GRUB and LILO won't boot from that partition, however |
| 17:10.17 | chops | jim: This sort of uncertainty is exactly why I'm curious as to which approach(es) is(are) recommended... looking at open-iscsi now |
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| 17:10.34 | abcd | zinx:but is it require to change in kernel to make support fore bigger size?? |
| 17:10.34 | zinx | abcd: if it's a secondary drive that shouldn't be an issue |
| 17:10.39 | zinx | abcd: not that i know of |
| 17:10.43 | jim | you would need a PV and a VG, then you would be able to define LVs in the VG |
| 17:10.45 | chops | My experience with IPSEC has taught me to be very careful when selecting an implementation of something like this, rather than just picking one and saying "it's Debian, it'll go well" :-) |
| 17:10.46 | jim | OK? |
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| 17:10.52 | chops | jim: Nod |
| 17:10.57 | Yarcanox | so how can I get a newer glib now?? I *never* installed any lib or an update of it, I have really no idea where to start |
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| 17:11.11 | chops | jim: I have a VG on my host system already; I'm going to want to add the PV that I ultimately get set up on the iSCSI target |
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| 17:11.31 | abcd | zinx:by any command can we find out exact file system size limit supported by kernel? |
| 17:11.40 | zinx | abcd: no |
| 17:11.47 | zinx | abcd: it shouldn't have any limits |
| 17:11.55 | zinx | abcd: especially if you're running a Debian kernel |
| 17:12.05 | jim | abcd: read the docs on the filesystem |
| 17:12.07 | zinx | abcd: why do you think it has a limit? |
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| 17:12.26 | chops | jim: Hm... open-iscsi.org says " Stable releases: not available yet." Moving right along... :-) |
| 17:12.32 | jim | yes, there are limits to filesystems, both max size of the filesystem itself and files in it |
| 17:12.41 | chops | abcd, zinx: There are certainly limits to filesystem size in Linux |
| 17:12.48 | krinns | guy am trying to convert .bin file to .iso |
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| 17:13.05 | krinns | its seems working but i wont see the coverted iso file |
| 17:13.13 | krinns | where it should be? |
| 17:13.26 | zinx | chops: not at the size he's wanting - 8TB |
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| 17:13.27 | chops | abcd: No command, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 17:13.38 | zinx | chops: and i already mentioned the partitioning issues |
| 17:14.14 | abcd | chops,zinx:because i read on red hat that they are supporting in some TB size,then how much exactly my debian system is supporting that only i want to know |
| 17:14.21 | chops | abcd: That said, you shouldn't run into problems at any size you're likely to encounter. ext3 is probably the lowest, and its limit in typical use on a 32-bit system is 16 TB. |
| 17:14.23 | zinx | i assume that he's having a problem with making the filesystem, but since he won't tell anyone what said problem is, instead inquiring about finding imaginary limits, he's going to have a hard time getting help |
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| 17:14.49 | zinx | abcd: it supports as big of filesystems as redhat. Debian doesn't castrate the kernel, and redhat doesn't alter it that much. |
| 17:14.58 | zinx | abcd: and if you really want to, you can run a redhat patched kernel on debian. |
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| 17:16.00 | zinx | abcd: there are no options to limit the filesystem size further than the filesystem is capable of, to my knowledge |
| 17:16.10 | abcd | zinx:is it good to use red hat patch on debian kernel? |
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| 17:16.30 | chops | abcd: It's not recommended. |
| 17:17.15 | zinx | abcd: there should be no need to |
| 17:17.23 | zinx | abcd: and we can't support a redhat kernel in here, obviously |
| 17:17.30 | zinx | abcd: i was just saying it's entirely possible |
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| 17:18.15 | abcd | zinx,chops:i want to know the what particular things are in debian kernel are enabled and disabled comparing to vanilla kernel |
| 17:18.44 | abcd | chops,zinx : how debian kernel differs than vanilla kernel? |
| 17:18.48 | CharminTheMoose | anyone want to point to a sample inetd.conf? |
| 17:18.56 | chops | abcd: You can take a look through the config and patch then. If you have specific questions about the differences, you can ask here. |
| 17:19.02 | CharminTheMoose | this debootstrap install doesn't seem to have one |
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| 17:20.10 | abcd | chops:how to configure cluster in debian??/ |
| 17:20.30 | chops | abcd: You'll have to give more detail than _that_. :-) |
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| 17:20.46 | chops | abcd: Storage cluster, Beowulf cluster, load-balanced http cluster? What hardware? What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:21.22 | krinns | helo |
| 17:21.25 | krinns | guys any idea |
| 17:22.41 | abcd | chops:in my company we are going to buy differant clusters,i want to make sure that what are those are supported by debian before buying it..and how to configure it? |
| 17:23.07 | drwahl | i found something about copying the packages that one box has and storing them in a file so that you can take it to another box and replicate the system using the packages from the file. does anyone have a link/more info about this? |
| 17:23.10 | chops | abcd: What products are you looking at? What kind of cluster? |
| 17:23.46 | abcd | chops: i am trying for stoarge and load balance http cluster both |
| 17:24.17 | abcd | load balance http cluster for grid application |
| 17:24.44 | abcd | stoarge cluster for sharing and storing .. |
| 17:25.12 | piju | got bugs here |
| 17:25.13 | piju | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 17:25.14 | piju | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.14 | piju | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.14 | piju | COMM_FAILURE |
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| 17:25.44 | abcd | chops :particul;ar products i not decided ..whatever is supported by debian that only i will buy |
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| 17:26.05 | chops | abcd: This is a much bigger question than can really be answered over IRC (and I'd recommend against investing $x0000 in answers you get over IRC anyway :-)... I would recommend poking around on google and experimenting with some of the software side before fooling with picking hardware. FWIW, I'm setting up an external iSCSI array for a server here... but I'm only beginning the setup now, so I can't really share any wisdom with you :-). |
| 17:26.29 | S4nD3r | Is possible to see output from remote terminal ??? |
| 17:26.57 | Phil4 | anyone know what's wrong with this proftpd package: http://pastebin.ca/912803 |
| 17:26.58 | chops | abcd: I would recommend going with established standards (iSCSI, FC) for the hardware when possible; both of those standards should be well-supported by Debian (although YMMV). I'm not aware of any master list of compatible hardware, unfortunately, and hardware vendors don't seem too keen on claiming Debian support on their end. |
| 17:27.15 | S4nD3r | At home, is installing some packages, then I connected there using ssh, Id like to know if installation finished, is possible ?? |
| 17:27.50 | jim | S4nD3r: man screen |
| 17:28.02 | drwahl | screen isnt installed by default |
| 17:28.12 | jim | !installit |
| 17:28.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 17:28.13 | drwahl | plus the install process doesnt use a "screen" to install |
| 17:28.25 | drwahl | but he is looking for something to check it right now |
| 17:28.41 | abcd | chops:any good document to refer for configuring differant server on debian? |
| 17:28.41 | drwahl | it does no good if it was not installed before |
| 17:28.43 | jim | "installing some packages" <-- quote from original poster :) |
| 17:28.51 | S4nD3r | Is running a aptget command |
| 17:29.01 | jim | is it downloading? |
| 17:29.04 | idimmu | S4nD3r: they're talking shit |
| 17:29.09 | idimmu | ps aux | grep apt-get |
| 17:29.12 | idimmu | see if its still running |
| 17:29.13 | Phil4 | S4nD3r: ps aux | grep -v 'grep' | grep -c 'apt-get install' |
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| 17:29.30 | chops | abcd: There are :-). You'll have to google for them to suit your particular needs, though. |
| 17:29.34 | drwahl | yes, ps will tell u if it is running, but that does not answer his question, which was "can i see the output" |
| 17:29.35 | idimmu | also see if /var/lib/apt/lists/lock exists |
| 17:29.39 | drwahl | maybe it is hanging on something... |
| 17:29.44 | idimmu | if it is that should mean its still running |
| 17:30.01 | idimmu | well he wants to know if its finished :) |
| 17:30.02 | chops | !tell abcd about manuals |
| 17:30.07 | jim | the answer is no if he didn't make arrangements originally |
| 17:30.14 | drwahl | there we go |
| 17:30.15 | drwahl | :) |
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| 17:30.32 | S4nD3r | :) |
| 17:30.37 | jim | unless -all- you want to know is if it's done |
| 17:30.41 | idimmu | ps will show you if its finished |
| 17:30.48 | idimmu | problem solved |
| 17:30.52 | drwahl | the only methods i know are 'screen' but there are ways to see if its still processing, then ps will do the trick |
| 17:31.08 | S4nD3r | rsss.... really no idimmu !!! |
| 17:31.21 | S4nD3r | I will kill the remote process |
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| 17:31.32 | S4nD3r | and starts again.. how to use this screen ?? |
| 17:31.34 | jim | S4nD3r: be very careful with that |
| 17:31.42 | jim | I would not do that. |
| 17:31.46 | abcd | chops:i am having one more doubt ,is it possible to configure grid server on debian? |
| 17:31.50 | jim | it could screw things up |
| 17:31.56 | Phil4 | anyone know what's wrong with this proftpd package: http://pastebin.ca/912803 |
| 17:32.04 | drwahl | jim: you talking about screen or killing the process? |
| 17:32.14 | jim | killing the install process |
| 17:32.23 | jim | it's safe if it's downloading packages |
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| 17:32.29 | chops | abcd: What do you mean by "grid server"? |
| 17:32.32 | S4nD3r | yes, its safe |
| 17:32.34 | jim | it's NOT safe if it's installing them |
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| 17:32.52 | S4nD3r | its installing kde |
| 17:32.55 | XoX | does etch have a lib64 directory |
| 17:32.57 | XoX | i dont see it |
| 17:33.06 | S4nD3r | and its downloading yet |
| 17:33.13 | jim | are you sure? |
| 17:33.16 | chops | XoX: No |
| 17:33.19 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 17:33.25 | XoX | where are the 64 libs kept |
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| 17:33.42 | S4nD3r | It will takes 3h to finish |
| 17:34.11 | chops | XoX: If you install a 64-bit userspace, then they're in /lib. A small handful of 32-bit libraries are handled specially if you want them. If you install a 32-bit userspace, then they're not available. |
| 17:34.13 | jim | ok, so as long as you are absolutely sure it's downloading them, then it's safe to kill it. |
| 17:34.17 | abcd | chops:grid computing or Distributed computing |
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| 17:34.58 | jim | btw, konsole does not seem to be able to run shells as login shells |
| 17:35.00 | chops | XoX: Debian doesn't support full biarchitectural installations; at one point there was a plan to support generalized multi-architectural installations, but I'm not sure what the status of it is. It's not finished right nwo. |
| 17:35.04 | S4nD3r | ok, now its just to give commands. |
| 17:35.07 | S4nD3r | great !!! |
| 17:35.20 | chops | abcd: Conceptually? Debian can certainly support that concept :-). |
| 17:35.24 | S4nD3r | now all output is in remote terminal |
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| 17:36.30 | jim | btw, what kind of term did you connect to the remote with? |
| 17:36.30 | iwkse | hi all, i have a question about licenses. There's anything under develop to allow dpkg to show the license(s) of selected package(s)? |
| 17:36.48 | abcd | chops: like in red hat there is globus tool kit is available for grid ..wehat is in debian?? |
| 17:36.50 | jim | iwkse: it's already done |
| 17:36.58 | iwkse | jim: oh cool..what's that? |
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| 17:37.05 | jim | the commands you need are: cd cat less more |
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| 17:37.32 | jim | and possibly zcat zless |
| 17:37.33 | chops | abcd: I'm not sure offhand. I could go look on google and then type the answer back to you... but I'd prefer that you do it for yourself :-). |
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| 17:37.43 | iwkse | jim: i don't need whole the license... |
| 17:37.59 | iwkse | jim: but if it's GPL, LGPL, BSD...ecc |
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| 17:38.01 | abcd | chops:ok i will do |
| 17:38.12 | iwkse | jim: i know i can open the copyright |
| 17:38.13 | jim | give me an example of a package |
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| 17:38.37 | jim | what's wrong with that? the copyright file will tell what license |
| 17:38.41 | XoX | chops, how can i tell if my libs are 32bit or 64 |
| 17:38.42 | Phil4 | anyone know what's wrong with this proftpd package? http://pastebin.ca/912803 |
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| 17:38.55 | chops | iwkse: Many packages have more complex licensing than that; in general it's not possible to summarize it in a single word. |
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| 17:39.02 | jim | it's a pretty serious bug if the copyright file does not say what license |
| 17:39.05 | iwkse | chops: yes, i'm talking about that.. |
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| 17:39.20 | chops | XoX: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 17:39.20 | shad0w1e | hey, if I want to bridge connections, is there a better way than using brctl, such as configuring it in the interfaces file? |
| 17:39.22 | akuwamari | can linux be infected by virus? now or in the future? |
| 17:39.33 | iwkse | chops: grepping is not the way for this reason, so that i was asking of there's anything about that with dpkg |
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| 17:39.43 | ericpersson | is it possible to setup a vpnserver on linux? |
| 17:39.49 | jim | akuwamari: ##linux |
| 17:39.53 | shad0w1e | is brctl the current/best way of bridging connections? |
| 17:40.01 | chops | iwkse: I just told you why what you're asking for is not, in general, possible. |
| 17:40.02 | XoX | chops, there is also another way , with ldd or similar? |
| 17:40.09 | iwkse | chops: ok |
| 17:40.14 | chops | XoX: 'file' on a particular library should tell you. |
| 17:40.24 | chops | shad0w1e: Usually it's better to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:40.29 | jim | iwkse: grepping may be the only way available to you |
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| 17:40.42 | shad0w1e | chops, i was thinking that, so I assume you can config that file to bridge? |
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| 17:40.49 | iwkse | jim: yes but it can't be precise in case of complex licenses |
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| 17:41.00 | XoX | chops, thanks |
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| 17:41.58 | chops | XoX: np |
| 17:41.59 | jim | for that, there is the copyright file, which is a file... about files: some can be bigger than others :) |
| 17:42.01 | shad0w1e | chops, do I need any packages installed to bridge? |
| 17:42.03 | chops | shad0w1e: Yes |
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| 17:42.24 | Skeniol | noob |
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| 17:42.49 | jim | qoov |
| 17:43.08 | chops | shad0w1e: You should install bridge-utils, and then configure your bridged interfaces without IP addresses, and then have the br0 interface appear in /etc/network/interfaces with a line "bridge_ports eth0 eth1" (or whatever). |
| 17:43.17 | jim | qoou |
| 17:43.24 | shad0w1e | chops, awesome, thank you |
| 17:43.33 | chops | shad0w1e: np |
| 17:43.38 | shad0w1e | if i mess up, ill have to drag a keyboard and screen into the networking closet ! |
| 17:43.51 | drwahl | ayone have a link to a web interface for dpkg's factoids? |
| 17:43.55 | chops | shad0w1e: Remote administration is fun :-). At least your server's at your site. |
| 17:44.09 | shad0w1e | true.. if it wasn't I'd have a networking KVM tho |
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| 17:44.33 | shad0w1e | is that what they call it? a networking KVM? |
| 17:44.58 | jim | you mean like screen? |
| 17:45.05 | jim | or just ssh? |
| 17:45.28 | shad0w1e | no i meant something that gives me access to keyboard/video mouse to the extent that even if networking is down on the box, aka, i can watch linux boot using this device |
| 17:45.29 | zinx | that would be a kvm device that exports the keyboard/video over the network.. even BIOS is generally done, for those |
| 17:45.34 | drwahl | the closest project i know of to a "network kvm" is synergy (sp?) |
| 17:45.40 | shad0w1e | zinx, yep :) |
| 17:45.44 | zinx | drwahl: they're hardware devices |
| 17:45.47 | shad0w1e | no this would be a peice of hardware |
| 17:45.52 | chops | shad0w1e: Serial console is close to what you describe |
| 17:46.01 | drwahl | zinx: ah, not a software solution... i'm with ya now :) |
| 17:46.05 | shad0w1e | ah. if it's connected over the network |
| 17:46.17 | zinx | serial console still requires Linux to boot :) |
| 17:46.30 | jim | if the local is debian and the remote has the equivalent of xbase-clients installed (with everythng that needs) then you can run remote X programs (X clients) which display on the local |
| 17:46.40 | chops | shad0w1e: Some servers have a remote "virtual console" that operates over TCP/IP with a special hardware device, but I've never felt like putting in the effort to make it actually work |
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| 17:46.58 | shad0w1e | ah, thats what I was thinking of, perhaps |
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| 17:47.58 | chops | Maybe it's an iSCSI limitation, but I doubt it |
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| 17:48.17 | simonrvn | seems unlikely |
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| 17:48.59 | shad0w1e | hey, anyone know, off-hand, if a software RAID1 is slower than no raid, and by roughly how much? |
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| 17:49.29 | chops | shad0w1e: Are you mostly reading or writing? |
| 17:49.33 | shad0w1e | reading |
| 17:49.40 | chops | shad0w1e: For reading, it'll be faster; for writing, slower. |
| 17:49.57 | chops | shad0w1e: How much faster/slower is heavily dependent on your hardware, configuration, and usage pattern. |
| 17:50.02 | shad0w1e | ah, I assume linux soft-raid is smart enough to read half the bits from each drive? |
| 17:50.18 | shad0w1e | makes sense. |
| 17:50.20 | chops | shad0w1e: I can't imagine that it isn't, though I just realized I have no specific experience with it. |
| 17:50.30 | shad0w1e | lol. okay, let's hope for the best! |
| 17:50.35 | chops | shad0w1e: :-) |
| 17:50.38 | shad0w1e | wait is that word forbidden? |
| 17:50.46 | phusion | hey |
| 17:50.51 | jim | what word? |
| 17:51.02 | jim | specific? |
| 17:51.04 | phusion | does 32bit debian support more than 4GB of ram if the CPU is 64bit capable? |
| 17:51.09 | shad0w1e | the three letter word that internet whores cant make a sentence without including it at least 3 times |
| 17:51.13 | simonrvn | i do, and that sounds about right |
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| 17:51.26 | simonrvn | "LOL"? |
| 17:51.34 | chops | phusion: It does, if the CPU has PAE (which most on which this would come up do) |
| 17:51.38 | jim | phusion: -bigmem kernels support 64g |
| 17:51.43 | shad0w1e | phusion, if the CPU is 64-bit capable but running a 32-bit OS, then as far as the OS is concerned, it is a 32-bit CPU |
| 17:51.48 | chops | phusion: You can also run a 64-bit kernel and a 32-bit userland, which is probably best for that scenario |
| 17:51.52 | gh0zt | yo |
| 17:52.06 | shad0w1e | i was wrong? |
| 17:52.17 | chops | phusion: As jim says, you'll want a -bigmem kernel if you are running a 32-bit kernel |
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| 17:52.37 | shad0w1e | I *think* the 32-bit kernel tops out at 8gb... |
| 17:52.47 | phusion | really? |
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| 17:53.00 | shad0w1e | ive got a server with 6gb of ram and 32bit kernel |
| 17:53.06 | shad0w1e | using a big kernel tho |
| 17:53.23 | cizra | Hi. How does the kernel-patch-badmem work? Do I need to compile my own kernel? |
| 17:53.26 | gh0zt | don't know |
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| 17:53.32 | phusion | could you elaborate on what a big kernel is? |
| 17:53.45 | phusion | is that just some type of option i'd select during installtime? |
| 17:53.51 | jim | the -bigmem kernels support 64g of ram |
| 17:53.59 | shad0w1e | depends on the OS, i wasnt running debian. |
| 17:54.03 | jim | it's just how it was compiled |
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| 17:54.07 | phusion | kernelwise |
| 17:54.15 | simonrvn | hence bigmem ;) |
| 17:54.16 | phusion | is this option readily available/seen when installing debian? |
| 17:54.17 | shad0w1e | you can change the kernel once its installed too, not sure if you even have the option during install anyway |
| 17:54.22 | phusion | oh really? |
| 17:54.26 | jim | no, you'd replace the kernel after |
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| 17:54.39 | jim | like shad0w1e said |
| 17:54.40 | phusion | would it be hard to modify? |
| 17:54.44 | chops | cizra: You do, but there are scripts to help. See the docs that come with kernel-patch-badmem; it should just be a couple of commands. |
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| 17:54.48 | linuxopjemac_ | can someone pls help me |
| 17:54.56 | shad0w1e | phusion, it's something like an apt-get uninstall / apt-get install |
| 17:54.57 | cizra | chops: Thank you! |
| 17:55.02 | phusion | oh, great |
| 17:55.16 | linuxopjemac_ | I want to make a launcher for my girlfriends PC, she has to just click on it and then it will run a command as root |
| 17:55.18 | chops | cizra: np |
| 17:55.18 | jim | well you don't actually have to uninstall the old one |
| 17:55.24 | linuxopjemac_ | like ifdown eth1 |
| 17:55.30 | cizra | linuxopjemac_: sudo |
| 17:55.34 | linuxopjemac_ | how can I do such a thing |
| 17:55.37 | jim | in fact it's a good idea to keep it until you're sure the new one's good |
| 17:55.38 | linuxopjemac_ | I tried |
| 17:55.42 | cizra | linuxopjemac_: or SUID |
| 17:55.43 | linuxopjemac_ | cizra: I tried |
| 17:56.00 | cizra | Make that script SUID root, executable by that girl. |
| 17:56.01 | phusion | ok thanks for the help |
| 17:56.04 | linuxopjemac_ | but it didn't ask for a pass |
| 17:56.05 | cizra | *poof* instant solution. |
| 17:56.16 | cizra | SUID executables don't ask for password. |
| 17:56.50 | linuxopjemac_ | cizra: how would I do with SUID ? |
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| 17:57.06 | cizra | linuxopjemac_: First, create a shell script that does what you want. Do you have it already? |
| 17:57.13 | linuxopjemac_ | nope |
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| 17:58.19 | cizra | linuxopjemac_: Well, then make it. After that run 'chmod u+s /your/script/here' |
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| 17:59.10 | t04no | Fah: so, tried putting xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc in .xsession, .xsessionrc, .xinitrc, .Xclients.all made executable. didn't work. this whole xsession thing seems to be an anoying pattern in debian. didn't have this prob in fedora or suse. |
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| 17:59.34 | cizra | t04no: Do you run KDE or something? |
| 18:00.16 | t04no | cizra: gdm. that's why i tried .Xclients. |
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| 18:00.42 | cizra | t04no: gdm is not important. Do you run KDE? Gnome? Something other? |
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| 18:00.53 | t04no | cizra: xfce |
| 18:01.03 | cizra | You can configure both KDE and Gnome to suck in xmodmaps at startups. You can also have them execute scripts at startup. |
| 18:01.12 | cizra | You can most probably do the same in xfce as well. |
| 18:01.19 | Eulex | t04no, xfce4-autostart-editor |
| 18:01.31 | weggpod | they are some ops which speak french ? |
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| 18:01.42 | Eulex | t04no, create a script, add it to the list of stuff to autostart. |
| 18:01.55 | simonrvn | .Xresources is the supported one |
| 18:02.12 | simonrvn | and doesn't need to be exec... |
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| 18:02.26 | n3kl | Doods, I had a gentoo box that I was working with for a while that I setup vpnc on to connect to a cisco vpn and everything worked *mostly* good. I am using the same config file now in debian and I am getting: ISAKMP_N_INVALID_EXCHANGE_TYPE. Anyone know why? |
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| 18:03.10 | cizra | No such nick! |
| 18:03.23 | cizra | Is Doods a he or she? |
| 18:03.28 | piju | hello |
| 18:03.30 | tictac | maybe an it. |
| 18:03.31 | piju | need help here |
| 18:03.44 | tictac | piju: dont ask to ask. just ask. |
| 18:03.48 | piju | i can see any moving pictures here on my mplayer, |
| 18:03.55 | piju | tictac; im now using compiz |
| 18:03.56 | tictac | codecs? |
| 18:04.01 | piju | on my lenny |
| 18:04.02 | n3kl | For all those who perfer a pc world: Folks(?) |
| 18:04.02 | piju | not the codecs |
| 18:04.10 | n3kl | Any ideas? |
| 18:04.12 | piju | when i off the compiz, i just runs ok |
| 18:05.12 | piju | tictac; can u help me ? |
| 18:05.24 | tictac | piju: no. im reading. go away. |
| 18:06.23 | cizra | piju: I would, but I don't know how. |
| 18:06.37 | t04no | cizra, Eulex: i know these things, but it's a shame this simple xsession mechanism is not working in debian. |
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| 18:07.23 | simonrvn | t04no: works fine, if you set it up properly |
| 18:07.23 | hark | t04no: try with the full path in .xsession |
| 18:07.29 | n3kl | piju: I remember some performance enhancing settings you can inject into compiz to make it run properly. SOunds like a compiz issue to me, tried google? |
| 18:07.57 | zinx | n3kl: sounds a bit too vague for a google attempt to me |
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| 18:08.26 | simonrvn | .Xresources is what you're after. .xsession and .xsessionrc are the "startx scripts" |
| 18:08.27 | piju | n3kl; i can play video with mplayer |
| 18:08.36 | piju | but i have to mplayer -vo x11 files.avi |
| 18:08.47 | zinx | piju: what video drivers? |
| 18:08.47 | simonrvn | (the last applies only to more recent X installs) |
| 18:08.52 | piju | intel |
| 18:08.57 | n3kl | zinx: mplayer compiz performance ? |
| 18:08.59 | piju | zinx; intel |
| 18:09.03 | zinx | piju: get a real video card? :P |
| 18:09.05 | tsrepadmin | Hi there. Does anybody success to install libapache2-mod-python with apt? my apache always serves my .py files for download |
| 18:09.08 | zinx | piju: try mplayer -vo gl2 |
| 18:09.12 | simonrvn | .xsessionrc support isn't in etch |
| 18:09.34 | zinx | piju: if it works you can put it in ~/.mplayer/config as vo=gl2 |
| 18:10.19 | piju | zinx; its better using vo=x11 than gl2 |
| 18:10.35 | piju | zinx; what about other player? totem ? how can i set it up ? |
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| 18:11.12 | zinx | piju: normally you just install it |
| 18:11.40 | piju | zinx; i have it installed |
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| 18:11.47 | t04no | simonrvn: i have this in .xsession (made executable): /usr/bin/xmodmap /home/t4o/.xmodmaprc. and this should work ? |
| 18:11.56 | piju | zinx; but i cant play the files using default config of totem |
| 18:12.00 | simonrvn | valdyn: make up your mind already ;P |
| 18:12.00 | zinx | piju: you may try setting the Unredirect Fullscreen Windows option to true, and playing videos with mplayer fullscreen |
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| 18:12.35 | piju | zinx; where can i set it ? |
| 18:12.38 | simonrvn | t04no: sure, but add a & and you don't need full path (maybe except for the file, but not the exec.) |
| 18:12.38 | piju | zightx; path ? |
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| 18:12.56 | zinx | piju: /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/unredirect_fullscreen_windows |
| 18:13.01 | zinx | piju: or you can use ccsm |
| 18:13.02 | Phil4 | anyone know what's wrong with this proftpd package? http://pastebin.ca/912803 |
| 18:13.18 | piju | zinx; there is /apps |
| 18:13.19 | zinx | piju: you may need to swap screen0 with allscreens |
| 18:13.20 | piju | no |
| 18:13.24 | zinx | piju: it's a gconf path |
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| 18:13.30 | hark | t04no: i have that in my .xsession and it works. It's also not set executable |
| 18:13.38 | zinx | piju: you can use gconf-editor |
| 18:13.39 | S4nD3r | This is the image that comes in my bootloader gfxmenu (hd0,0)/boot/grub/message.dream , Id like to have the default screen of grug.. |
| 18:13.48 | S4nD3r | How to get it? |
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| 18:14.00 | zinx | piju: is that an i965 card? |
| 18:14.33 | piju | zightx; i have ticked on the path u gave |
| 18:14.39 | piju | zinx; yes |
| 18:14.47 | zightx | piju: what? |
| 18:14.47 | zinx | piju: ah, that card is known to have problems with Xv+compiz |
| 18:14.47 | piju | zinx; i945 |
| 18:14.55 | zinx | piju: erh, 945 != 965 |
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| 18:15.05 | piju | zinx; how can i check it ? |
| 18:15.13 | piju | dmsg ? |
| 18:15.48 | t04no | simonrvn, hark: thx. i'll try that. |
| 18:15.55 | valdyn | piju: you can use -vo gl |
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| 18:16.16 | piju | zinx; Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5450 @ 1.66GHz stepping 0d |
| 18:16.17 | piju | agpgart: Detected an Intel 965GM Chipset. |
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| 18:16.45 | S4nD3r | I may just copy a message and put into /boot/grub ???? |
| 18:16.46 | shad0w1e | chops, thanks for all your help, bridging worked like a charm. I followed this: http://www.openmaniak.com/inline_bridge.php |
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| 18:17.18 | piju | valdyn; done with mplayer, how about totem ? |
| 18:17.22 | piju | valdyn; vlc ? |
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| 18:17.38 | valdyn | piju: vlc can select output method in its preferences |
| 18:17.49 | valdyn | piju: i dont know about totem |
| 18:17.57 | chops | shad0w1e: \o/ |
| 18:18.03 | xerophytev | does anybody know why does ssh -l dnsadmin -p 8822 -N -f -L 4444:127.0.0.1:3306 not return pid when i say $! |
| 18:18.15 | valdyn | piju: for totem its probably a gconf key |
| 18:18.34 | piju | valdyn; where is vlc output preferesne ? |
| 18:18.36 | hark | S4nD3r: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 18:18.42 | chops | Well, with open-iscsi, logging in to my iSCSI target caused udevd to seg fault and crashed my server |
| 18:18.44 | chops | :-( |
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| 18:19.17 | Eulex | xerophytev, after the command has been executed? hasn't it, like, been terminated then? |
| 18:19.17 | valdyn | piju: its a gui, im sure you can find it yourself |
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| 18:19.40 | piju | valdyn; i dont have a clue |
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| 18:19.47 | hark | S4nD3r: for a custom grub splash |
| 18:19.55 | S4nD3r | I will use dpkg grub |
| 18:19.58 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 18:20.01 | valdyn | piju: me neither, and im not going to open vlc now to do what you can do yourself |
| 18:20.07 | tudon | piju select the advanced options thingy otherwise you wont see it |
| 18:20.23 | piju | tudon; ok, |
| 18:20.45 | tudon | video output modules |
| 18:20.58 | piju | ok |
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| 18:21.17 | tudon | in preferences |
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| 18:21.32 | piju | ok |
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| 18:22.40 | piju | tq |
| 18:22.47 | piju | how about totem ? |
| 18:23.26 | tictac | anyone know something i can use to edit a pdf? |
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| 18:24.18 | hark | there's pdfedit |
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| 18:28.13 | xerophytev | if i run a command and how can i get the process id of the last run command in the bash ? |
| 18:28.18 | xerophytev | not using ps |
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| 18:29.26 | tictac | xerophytev: if you use the command & disown it will show you the pid |
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| 18:29.46 | tictac | xerophytev: such as.. dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/null & disown |
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| 18:29.54 | wing|work | if i installed openoffice.org-gtk but i don't actually get the gtk interface when it runs, what might i have done wrong? |
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| 18:30.29 | Eulex | xerophytev, $! , but you need to start the process into the background with & |
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| 18:31.05 | Fah | xerophytev: jobs -p |
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| 18:31.19 | Fah | assuming it is still running |
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| 18:31.47 | torrr | does any one have an idea why a 1Gbps nic perform at about 10Mbps ? |
| 18:32.09 | torrr | (The switch is connected at 1Gbps) |
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| 18:34.11 | wing|work | i wonder what the openoffice.org-gtk actually does |
| 18:34.16 | abrotman | torrr: how are you measuring? |
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| 18:34.52 | AbsintheSyringe | does anyone have anything, I "aim" it to certain directory and it counts number of all the lines within the that specified dir or whatever |
| 18:35.00 | S4nD3r | May I delete this line from menu.list bootloader gfxmenu (hd0,0)/boot/grub/message.dream ?? |
| 18:35.02 | xerophytev | does anybody know why does this work ssh -l dnsadmin -p 8822 -N -f -L 4444:127.0.0.1:3306 ip but ssh -l dnsadmin -p 8822 -N -L 4444:127.0.0.1:3306 ip & does not |
| 18:35.28 | wing|work | AbsintheSyringe: what do you mean by the number of "lines" of a directory? |
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| 18:36.11 | Assid | mke2fs -j /dev/hdb5 |
| 18:36.19 | Assid | do i need any other flags to format? |
| 18:36.26 | mbac | nope |
| 18:36.28 | mbac | (Assid) |
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| 18:37.47 | AbsintheSyringe | wing|work, let's say I want to know how many php lines are written in my latest "/Project" dir |
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| 18:38.35 | proc | howdy |
| 18:38.49 | mbac | hi |
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| 18:39.10 | cizra | chops: kernel-patch-badmem docs aren't helpful at all. Moreover, I can't even find a package for kernel sources! |
| 18:39.20 | proc | I've got an mcp65 high definition audio from nforce, in the net I found that I need the hda_intel driver for it. I compiled and loaded it, but it still doesn't work. is my kernel maybe too old? (2.6.18) |
| 18:39.52 | cahoot | that's a good guess |
| 18:40.02 | Assid | didnt there used to be a mke2fs.ext3 ? |
| 18:40.20 | proc | cahoot: are you talking to me? |
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| 18:40.30 | cahoot | proc: yes - sorry |
| 18:40.33 | proc | gnah |
| 18:40.41 | proc | I don't want to update my kernel now -.- |
| 18:40.50 | mbac | no one ever does :( |
| 18:40.54 | AbsintheSyringe | wing|work, wc :) |
| 18:40.59 | AbsintheSyringe | tnx anyways |
| 18:41.00 | cahoot | proc: you *could* update only alsa |
| 18:41.00 | DawnLight | hello. exim question: how can i debug this: http://pastie.org/155506 ? the process doesn't finish. |
| 18:41.32 | jelly-ho | does dpkg, the bot, know about !info foo etch-backports? |
| 18:41.33 | proc | cahoot: by installing alsa-source? |
| 18:41.57 | wols | jelly-ho: try it |
| 18:41.58 | proc | I tried that too, but while loading the hda_intel it complains that it can't find some other sounddrivers |
| 18:42.04 | cahoot | proc: I'm not really sure of the correct debian method |
| 18:42.16 | chops | cizra: Where are you getting this kernel-patch-badmem package? |
| 18:42.29 | cizra | debian etch repository |
| 18:42.41 | cizra | Oh, I discovered kernel-patch-scripts |
| 18:42.42 | cahoot | proc: I just pulled in the src from alsa-opensource.org - but ... |
| 18:42.50 | chops | cizra: ... I don't see it available in my etch repos... |
| 18:43.04 | proc | cahoot: I guess it's the same |
| 18:43.09 | proc | it's just an tar.bz2 file |
| 18:43.21 | cahoot | yes |
| 18:43.22 | chops | !info kernel-patch-badmem |
| 18:43.27 | wols | cizra: there is no badmem patch in debian anyhwere |
| 18:43.29 | cizra | chops: p kernel-patch-badram - Kernel patch allowing to use partly-bad RAM modules |
| 18:43.45 | cizra | Well, badram then. I'm sorry. |
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| 18:43.49 | chops | cizra: Pastebin 'apt-cache policy kernel-patch-badmem' please |
| 18:43.59 | chops | cizra: Ah, nm. I see. |
| 18:44.00 | piju | http://kaki5.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/installing-compiz-fusion-on-debian-lenny-amd64/ |
| 18:44.03 | piju | ;) |
| 18:44.13 | cahoot | proc: you could try m-a and see if it offers the option to get alsa-1.0.15 |
| 18:44.15 | jelly-ho | !info clamav-base etch-backports |
| 18:44.23 | proc | cahoot: m-a? |
| 18:44.31 | cahoot | module-assistant |
| 18:44.34 | jelly-ho | !info clamav-base etch |
| 18:44.37 | dpkg | clamav-base: (base package for clamav, an anti-virus utility for Unix), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.90.1dfsg-3etch9 (etch), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 18:44.43 | wols | cizra: and what is it you can't find? |
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| 18:44.52 | cizra | wols: information about how to apply this. |
| 18:44.55 | jelly-ho | wols: meh, it lies. *dpkg* Package 'clamav-base etch-backports' does not exist. |
| 18:45.00 | proc | cahoot: oh, never used that - what should I do with it? |
| 18:45.09 | cizra | wols: I reckon I must build a kernel. But I can't even find a kernel source package. |
| 18:45.14 | wols | cizra: /usr/share/doc/kernel-patch-badram/ |
| 18:45.15 | cahoot | proc: try /msg dpkg m-a |
| 18:45.26 | cizra | wols: Look into it. There's nothing interesting. |
| 18:45.39 | wols | cizra: the linux sources are a suggests of that package |
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| 18:46.12 | cizra | Oh, thanks. |
| 18:46.18 | proc | cahoot: 1.0.16-1 installed |
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| 18:46.29 | chops | cizra: Quite right, this package doesn't seem to contain docs on how to compile a patched Debian kernel. That's impolite. |
| 18:46.36 | cahoot | proc: and kernel 2.6.18? |
| 18:46.48 | proc | yeah |
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| 18:47.10 | chops | cizra: (There's a standard way to do it, but generally patch packages will tell you how to do it, because it's a weird process if you've never done it. Some of the fancier ones will even offer to create a patched kernel package when they install/upgrade.) |
| 18:47.13 | proc | cahoot: it complains about not finding manye modules in sound/core |
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| 18:47.18 | cizra | Does Debian standard kernel come with custom patches already applied? Gentoo used to patch its software heavily. |
| 18:47.31 | chops | cizra: There are some patches applied, yes |
| 18:47.56 | cahoot | proc: try (as root) alsa force-reload |
| 18:47.58 | cizra | make-kpkg with some additional bells and whistles? Or what "standard way"? |
| 18:48.21 | chops | cizra: Yes, make-kpkg with some bells and whistles... sec... |
| 18:48.28 | abrotman | cizra: yes it is patched |
| 18:48.36 | proc | cahoot: I just checked - actually the whole sound/ directory in the modules is gone |
| 18:48.55 | proc | really strange |
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| 18:49.26 | cahoot | proc: and m-a doesn't cooperate? |
| 18:49.33 | francis | hiya |
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| 18:49.46 | francis | dpkg is winding me up |
| 18:49.49 | proc | cahoot: nope |
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| 18:49.59 | chops | cizra: At first glance, it looks like just installing the package and then running 'PATCH_THE_KERNEL=yes make-kpkg' will apply the patch. I'm not completely familiar with the Debian way of applying kernel patches, but I'm sure if you give it a shot people here will help if you have trouble. |
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| 18:50.19 | francis | trying to create debs with auto-created control files, im getting missing newline errors |
| 18:50.23 | cahoot | proc: what debian version is this? |
| 18:50.30 | proc | cahoot: but the avail version is the same as the cur version |
| 18:50.37 | proc | cahoot: sid |
| 18:50.46 | francis | "EOF during value of field `Description' (missing final newline)" |
| 18:50.50 | cizra | chops, wols: thanks for helping. I'll try to manage. |
| 18:50.57 | chops | cizra: np. Good luck. |
| 18:50.57 | francis | any idea wat thats telling me |
| 18:51.06 | xand | what package should I install for the kernel if I want to use a non-debian one? (because the etch kernel won't work for my hardware) |
| 18:51.25 | xand | (i.e. I'll install a custom kernel manually, but don't want apt to get upset) |
| 18:51.47 | chops | xand: If you just install your custom kernel (and, if you like, remove the Debian kernel images), apt should be fine |
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| 18:52.09 | cahoot | proc: you definitely don't want to upgrade kernel? |
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| 18:52.14 | ajavid | hello hello |
| 18:52.14 | xand | chops: there aren't dependencies on the kernel packages? |
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| 18:52.25 | chops | xand: That said, people here will be reluctant to help if your next step is "help, I removed my Debian kernels and my custom-compiled kernel doesn't boot, please help thanks" :-) |
| 18:52.25 | LinuxKids | hi all |
| 18:52.39 | proc | cahoot: I first had to check all of the differences between 2.6.18 and the latest |
| 18:52.43 | proc | I heard there are many of them |
| 18:52.44 | chops | xand: Not that I know of, and if there are they're probably there for a reason (e.g. nvidia X drivers) |
| 18:52.50 | xand | chops: I'm not that stupid :P will test the new one first |
| 18:52.56 | xand | that's fine, no X |
| 18:52.57 | ajavid | LinuxKids, you may wish to take your kids out of #debian |
| 18:53.20 | ajavid | LinuxKids, unless you don't care that people swear in here. This isn't strictly a family friendly channel... just a heads up. |
| 18:53.22 | xand | it's a server but it has an insecure kmuto kernel |
| 18:53.38 | xand | swearing is not a bad thing. |
| 18:53.43 | ajavid | absolutely not |
| 18:53.50 | ajavid | but it IS inappropriate for kids |
| 18:53.55 | Assid | mbac: mke2fs -j /dev/hdb5 make it ext3 right ? |
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| 18:54.05 | ajavid | we won't stop swearing, so if you give a shit, take your kids out |
| 18:54.09 | ajavid | :) |
| 18:54.15 | Assid | same as what the system installs ? |
| 18:54.20 | xand | ajavid: perhaps |
| 18:54.29 | proc | cahoot: I once tried to, but it could not find my harddisk anymore (it's a laptop and the disk is identified as sda) - that's why I had to check the changes first |
| 18:54.43 | ajavid | man xchat2 nickcompletion sucks compared to irssi |
| 18:54.47 | xand | if you don't like swearing, try #gentoo :) |
| 18:54.53 | ajavid | or #ubuntu |
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| 18:55.02 | DawnLight | or #nothere |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | ajavid: stop |
| 18:55.09 | cahoot | proc: sd* is default with later kernels |
| 18:55.25 | ajavid | stop what? |
| 18:55.32 | dkr | ajavid: there is an option to have xchat sort nick completion by last spoke order instead of alphabetic |
| 18:55.34 | francis | fuck shit dick suck |
| 18:55.35 | DawnLight | stop swearing |
| 18:55.38 | ajavid | dkr, I'm looking |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | ajavid: stop being an ass |
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| 18:55.54 | dkr | ajavid: prefs...interface...input box |
| 18:55.59 | ajavid | abrotman I am not being an ass. |
| 18:56.00 | francis | goddamn what the hell is up with dpkg |
| 18:56.08 | ajavid | bot down? |
| 18:56.09 | abrotman | ajavid: yes .. you are |
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| 18:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid: stop writing off-topic nonsense then |
| 18:56.41 | DawnLight | exim question: how can i debug this: http://pastie.org/155506 ? the process doesn't finish. |
| 18:56.50 | ajavid | abrotman, listen dude, I don't want to get into it with you again or anyone else, but do go on... I'm done. |
| 18:56.53 | proc | cahoot: yeah, but the new kernel I tried a few weeks ago didn't recognize my harddisk - I'm sure something important changed in the .config |
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| 18:57.08 | proc | whoops |
| 18:57.09 | abrotman | ajavid: you're segfault- ? |
| 18:57.09 | ajavid | and it wasn' tofftopic nonsense |
| 18:57.18 | ajavid | Nyle yaar |
| 18:57.19 | cizra | chops: oh my. Compile failed. |
| 18:57.21 | ajavid | just shush. |
| 18:57.32 | abrotman | LinuxKids did nothing to deserve that |
| 18:57.33 | cizra | make-kpkg --initrd --added-patches baram buildpackage |
| 18:57.39 | cizra | produces a compilation error. |
| 18:57.44 | ajavid | i saw someone had linuxkids nickname, gave em a heads up that this isn't a particularly child safe channel |
| 18:57.46 | proc | cahoot: do you maybe know what the changes are I should keep in mind for my disk? |
| 18:57.48 | ajavid | there is nothing wrong with that |
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| 18:58.02 | abrotman | ajavid: just shut up |
| 18:58.03 | ajavid | you misunderstand me, that is your problem |
| 18:58.15 | chops | cizra: Time for a bug :-) |
| 18:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid: I really wonder what part of "stop" it was that you didn't understand |
| 18:58.16 | ajavid | w/e |
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| 18:58.24 | dbpatterson | how is the stability of xorg 7.3? (resist the obvious answer of, it's in unstable, idiot, please) |
| 18:58.28 | chops | cizra: The package doesn't look particularly well-maintained, FWIW |
| 18:58.44 | cizra | Seems so. |
| 18:58.48 | cahoot | proc: no useful answer to that |
| 18:58.59 | ajavid | Kjikaqawej, hi |
| 18:59.02 | gh0zt | Hello |
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| 18:59.08 | ajavid | Kjikaqawej, kew kew |
| 18:59.13 | ajavid | er.. kwe kwe? |
| 18:59.21 | Kjikaqawej | hi (kwe kwe) |
| 18:59.23 | Kjikaqawej | heh |
| 18:59.24 | ajavid | ahh word |
| 18:59.26 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:00.18 | Nyle- | man I got this machien with 2.4 celeron D, and installed vbox + debian etch |
| 19:00.34 | Nyle- | it is painfully slow |
| 19:00.39 | Nyle- | boss won't let me run debian :( |
| 19:01.11 | xand | fire him! |
| 19:01.16 | Nyle- | that makes me sad... my router at the house is a piece of shit, and for some reason I can't ssh to my box at home |
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| 19:01.57 | dkr | oh, Nyle is ajavid. no wonder |
| 19:02.42 | Maulkin | jelly-ho: Please just pick a nick and stick with it. |
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| 19:03.11 | Nyle- | and he was once again misunderstood. if i see someone who has the nickname kids, I assume its kids so i warn/give them a heads up, saying that this isn't a family friendly channel like many othes becuase sometimes people do swear here. how abrotman things I'm being an ass to linux kids by giving him a heads up about that, is beyond me. |
| 19:03.27 | chops | jelly-ho: See http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html, particularly the section "Changing your nick is not ok, either." |
| 19:03.44 | Nyle- | I was just trying to be nice to the guy, lettin him know |
| 19:03.45 | Nyle- | :( |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | Nyle-: you're an idiot .. ever think perhaps he makes a Linux distro geared towards kids? |
| 19:03.52 | Nyle- | no |
| 19:03.55 | Nyle- | I did no |
| 19:03.58 | simonrvn | oh ffs people, get off it, he's trying to get his nicks linked |
| 19:04.04 | Nyle- | but even if so, there is nohting I said that makes me seem like an ass |
| 19:04.07 | Nyle- | so shush. |
| 19:04.07 | dkr | Nyle-: you said "i'm done" 10 minutes ago. please follow your word. (and please quit nick hopping to avoid my /ignore :) |
| 19:04.38 | Nyle- | w/e, i was done, but i wanted to clear it up since im a regular here, and not a troublemaker or a troll |
| 19:04.43 | jelly-ho | eh, forgot to exit other channels, sorry |
| 19:05.12 | chops | jelly-ho: No worries |
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| 19:05.41 | proc | cahoot: alright, I'll try a new kernel now ;) |
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| 19:06.13 | cahoot | proc: out of interest - what laptop? |
| 19:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr: hehe |
| 19:06.34 | proc | cahoot: a hp pavillion dv |
| 19:06.43 | proc | *an |
| 19:06.51 | Oaks | Since the channel is more alive now |
| 19:06.51 | cahoot | proc: haha - know your pain |
| 19:07.03 | proc | cahoot: what were you problems? |
| 19:07.08 | cahoot | proc: got myself a hp dv9000 |
| 19:07.13 | Oaks | Does anyone in here have experience getting the Intel 915GM chipset to display widescreen on a laptop? |
| 19:07.36 | Oaks | I can get it to happen in Slackware, but not in Debian |
| 19:07.41 | proc | cahoot: I'm fighting with the wlan (broadcom) too. it's supposed to work with bcm43xx, but I don't find the right firmware ;) |
| 19:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Oaks: no... worked find ca. 2-3 years ago |
| 19:08.31 | cahoot | proc: the new b43 in 2.6.24 works very fine here |
| 19:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Oaks: package 915resolution |
| 19:08.33 | Oaks | Heh. I had to compile a new kernel and include the right modules in Slack. When I do it in Debian, X could care less |
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| 19:08.42 | Oaks | 915resolution doesn't do it |
| 19:08.44 | proc | cahoot: ah, cool |
| 19:08.47 | Oaks | not for me, at least |
| 19:09.02 | proc | cahoot: did you use the firmware dpkg tells us? |
| 19:09.19 | cahoot | proc: IIRC yes |
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| 19:09.30 | proc | cahoot: alright, hopefully it work for me then too |
| 19:09.36 | chops | Oaks: There was a new intel X driver; is it possible that Slack has the i810 driver (versions <2.0) and Debian has the intel driver (versions >=2.0)? |
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| 19:09.55 | proc | cahoot: did those jerks deliver your laptop too with pre-installed windows vista and this fscking recovery partition? |
| 19:10.04 | chops | Oaks: The driver has been substantially rewritten, and IMHO it did not benefit from the rewrite :-/ |
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| 19:10.41 | Oaks | chops: I honestly don't know. I dont' really know much about the intel driver |
| 19:10.57 | chops | Oaks: What version of Slackware? |
| 19:11.06 | Oaks | chops: I've tried to compile i810 support, and other intel support into the kernel in debian, it didn't take it |
| 19:11.24 | Oaks | chops: version 12 of slackware, but with a custom 2.6.22.9 kernel |
| 19:11.30 | chops | Oaks: Oh! You mean the framebuffer driver? I thought you were talking about X. |
| 19:11.42 | Oaks | chops: I am talking about X |
| 19:11.45 | ajavid | well |
| 19:11.48 | ajavid | he is still an asshole |
| 19:11.51 | chops | Oaks: Why were you fooling with the kernel, then? |
| 19:11.52 | Oaks | chops: All I had to do in slack was compile a new kernel with the right modules |
| 19:11.55 | ajavid | going back on my ignore list, fuck it |
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| 19:12.02 | ajavid | dunno why i let jetscreamer talk me into this. |
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| 19:13.40 | ajavid | wing|work, what do you mean? |
| 19:13.40 | ajavid | wing|work, gtk interface for open office org? isn't it a gui ? :) |
| 19:13.40 | wing|work | ajavid: i installed the openoffice.org-gtk package, but that does not seem to do anything |
| 19:13.40 | chops | Oaks: Huh. Slackware 12 has the >=2.0 version of the Intel driver. Were you using Debian etch? |
| 19:13.45 | ajavid | wing|work, what does that package do? |
| 19:13.52 | wing|work | ajavid: i have no idea |
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| 19:14.05 | Oaks | chops: IIRC, yes, I was using etch |
| 19:14.05 | wing|work | ajavid: i remember it used to change OpenOffice's GUI to GTK |
| 19:14.17 | ajavid | i see |
| 19:14.18 | wing|work | in some distant past |
| 19:14.22 | ajavid | I thought it used gtk to begin with |
| 19:14.34 | wing|work | i'd be happy if it uses gtk |
| 19:14.41 | wing|work | then GTK_IM_MODULE would work |
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| 19:14.51 | ajavid | i hate gtk anyway, I use only kde now |
| 19:14.57 | ajavid | havn't used any gtk stuff in years |
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| 19:15.08 | chops | Oaks: Ah, okay. My first guess would be that your problem is that etch uses the <2.0 intel driver, but Slackware uses >=2.0. You could see if there's a backport of the newer driver (the simple sid backport actually won't work easily for that package, for odd reasons). |
| 19:15.20 | wing|work | qt doesn't work nicely with scim either. so if it's possible i choose gtk apps |
| 19:15.26 | chops | Oaks: I'm still not sure what you mean about fooling with the kernel, though... |
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| 19:15.27 | pumpkin0 | which debian edition contained the zlib1g version 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-1 ? |
| 19:15.37 | ajavid | !ch |
| 19:15.37 | dpkg | [ch] Switzerland, or #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica |
| 19:15.47 | jelly-ho | wing|work: forcing the issue with OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP doesn't work? |
| 19:15.47 | wing|work | it's not nice to use an app for some time and then thekeyboard stops working |
| 19:15.48 | ajavid | ahh |
| 19:16.11 | ajavid | scim? |
| 19:16.12 | Oaks | chops: In Slack, to get X to play nice, I had to compile a new kernel and include the Intel modules. Once I booted into this new kernel, X would display 1280x800 |
| 19:16.13 | Eulex | pumpkin0, none. etch has 1:1.2.3-13. |
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| 19:16.26 | ajavid | oh |
| 19:16.40 | chops | Oaks: Were you using the framebuffer output or something? What led you to try recompiling the kernel? |
| 19:16.47 | Eulex | pumpkin0, but unstable and perhaps testing did contain it |
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| 19:17.15 | Oaks | chops: After attempting everything else, such as using 915resolution, it was a last ditch attempt. |
| 19:17.17 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: nice, so somebody f**ked this system by installing lenny ... |
| 19:17.33 | chops | pumpkin0: See snapshots.debian.net |
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| 19:17.38 | ajavid | !sdn |
| 19:17.38 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 19:17.56 | jelly-ho | 2002? riight. |
| 19:18.03 | N`Kr1pt | hi guys, logcheck is sending me some emails lately with out of memory messages |
| 19:18.04 | ajavid | thats what they say... |
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| 19:18.11 | chops | Oaks: Huh. Anyway, I would try seeing if you can get a >= 2.0 intel driver installed on your system and see how that works for you. |
| 19:18.18 | chops | jelly-ho: Why do you say that? |
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| 19:18.32 | ajavid | so with a amd64 kernel, I can have over 4gb ram and all of it would show in linux? |
| 19:18.37 | chops | ajavid: Yes |
| 19:18.38 | N`Kr1pt | will anyone be so kind to take a quick look at it, maybe yuo can figure out what is wrong/ can be done: http://pastebin.org/20604 |
| 19:18.40 | ajavid | its not like windows is it where you only get 3.5? |
| 19:18.45 | westside | so I'm looking for xrandr version 1.2 how can I find out whether it's in sid and/or testing? I thought my sys was at sid but I only get v 1.1 |
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| 19:18.50 | jelly-ho | chops: last time I looked, there were days from ~2005 onwards |
| 19:18.58 | Oaks | chops: Are there any deb packages available? or would I have to find/compile/install them my self? |
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| 19:19.11 | pumpkin0 | chops: no use. all installs, up and downgrades fail with the nice msg "To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'". I will format and start from scratch. |
| 19:19.23 | chops | Oaks: There are packages available, but they might not be straightforward to install on an etch system (though they might be). |
| 19:19.27 | chops | !tell Oaks about backports |
| 19:19.30 | wing|work | jelly-ho: thanks for the hint. exactly the bit of info i'm missing =] |
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| 19:19.47 | chops | pumpkin0: Not a bad idea |
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| 19:20.12 | jelly-ho | wing|work: yeah, it's hidden somewhere inside /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org-gtk/README.Debian.gz I think |
| 19:20.58 | ajavid | may i ask why debian docs are gz? |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | save space ? |
| 19:21.13 | ajavid | what like 2 bytes? |
| 19:21.15 | SerajewelKS | cause there's a lot of them |
| 19:21.18 | SerajewelKS | ajavid: haha |
| 19:21.22 | cizra | ajavid: adds up |
| 19:21.22 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:21.26 | ajavid | i know i know |
| 19:21.29 | SerajewelKS | ajavid: do some research before criticizing |
| 19:21.33 | cizra | Also, text compresses well. |
| 19:21.42 | ajavid | i'm not criticizing I am asking |
| 19:21.50 | wing|work | thanks everyone. have a nice day |
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| 19:21.54 | ajavid | that was 2 legit questions |
| 19:21.59 | SerajewelKS | your first question was asking, the second was criticism |
| 19:22.11 | SerajewelKS | cleverly disguised critisicm but still :) |
| 19:22.12 | cizra | find / -name \*.gz -exec gunzip \{\} \; |
| 19:22.13 | ajavid | sarcasm != criticism |
| 19:25.44 | Fah | actually, sarcasm is quite often complimentary to criticism, as is satire. |
| 19:25.51 | Fah | so who's going to draw the cartoon? |
| 19:26.11 | cizra | Fuck you. I got ARP spoofed by a goddamn soapbox router. |
| 19:26.14 | cizra | Assholio. |
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| 19:26.29 | zinx | ajavid: they're only compressed if they'll save at least one block |
| 19:26.41 | ajavid | zinx, makes sense. |
| 19:26.42 | zinx | ajavid: which i believe is assumed to be 4k |
| 19:26.56 | ajavid | lots of pacakges I saw contained an uncompressed debian.readme |
| 19:27.05 | zinx | (there's no way for debian to know the actual block size of the fs) |
| 19:27.09 | proc | ah |
| 19:27.17 | proc | cahoot: I guess I found it - sata_nv |
| 19:27.19 | ajavid | of course not, thanks for clearing that up for me |
| 19:27.23 | zinx | ajavid: yeah, they weren't large enough for the packager to care about compressing it |
| 19:27.23 | ajavid | zinx |
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| 19:28.21 | SerajewelKS | zinx: actually the build scripts will compress things automatically if they are large enough and in the docs folder, the maintainer doesn't have to do anything |
| 19:28.38 | zinx | SerajewelKS: that's actually what i meant by packager; sorry for being so vague |
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| 19:28.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx: ah, thought you meant the maintainer |
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| 19:29.09 | michielo | hola, when I use any app like mc for instance that uses ncurses (I think), all I get are ascii characters, what's the package I need to install to get extended ascii support? |
| 19:29.16 | ajavid | SerajewelKS, so the maintainer debian/rules etc. has nothing to do with that... the scripts are coded in dh_make to compress a docs over a particular size? |
| 19:29.38 | SerajewelKS | ajavid: it's been a while since i've packaged anything, but yes, something like that |
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| 19:32.03 | dkr | ;/ignoreword add ajavid |
| 19:32.28 | ajavid | ;/gofuckyourself dkr |
| 19:32.33 | ajavid | kthx. |
| 19:33.55 | SerajewelKS | i think i missed something |
| 19:33.59 | ajavid | people will be people, fuck em. |
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| 19:34.11 | proc | erm |
| 19:34.11 | ajavid | SerajewelKS, I'm interested in debian packaging |
| 19:34.39 | ajavid | SerajewelKS, I packaged up a game called SMC, unfortunately never filed an ITP, and voila, another guy uploaded the packages 2 days before I went to do it |
| 19:34.44 | proc | cahoot: do you use bcm43xx or b43? because I can only find bcm43xx in 2.6.24.2 |
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| 19:35.09 | ajavid | 2nd try, doomsday game engine, get it packaged up and working, find out it is DFSG incompatible, due to 3 files in the source code under Raven Inc. EULA |
| 19:35.17 | ajavid | now 3rd try... dunno what to package |
| 19:35.19 | ajavid | :( |
| 19:35.20 | abrotman | ajavid: you could ask to be a co-maintainer on smc |
| 19:35.30 | ajavid | abrotman, yes I tried, but the guy never replied |
| 19:35.34 | ajavid | at first he seemed really nice |
| 19:35.40 | SerajewelKS | ajavid: virtualbox! |
| 19:35.48 | abrotman | ajavid: maybe he'll just disappear and you can take oveR? |
| 19:35.49 | ajavid | SerajewelKS, already in |
| 19:36.01 | ajavid | abrotman, possibly |
| 19:36.18 | abrotman | ajavid: i think tarzeau orphaned a bunch of games he'd done .. |
| 19:36.28 | ajavid | frozen bubble? |
| 19:36.32 | ajavid | something along those lines |
| 19:36.37 | SerajewelKS | ajavid: huh, not in testing yet |
| 19:36.37 | ajavid | bubs n bros |
| 19:36.43 | ajavid | ajavid, yes it is |
| 19:36.44 | ajavid | doh |
| 19:36.46 | ajavid | SerajewelKS, yes it is |
| 19:37.00 | ajavid | SerajewelKS, I am on testing amd64 and I've got vbox running |
| 19:37.02 | ajavid | from testing |
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| 19:37.14 | abrotman | ajavid: briqolo maybe? check the wnpp page |
| 19:37.14 | ajavid | !info virtualbox-ose lenny |
| 19:37.20 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose: (PC virtualization solution), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.5.4-dfsg-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 5901 kB, Installed size: 18772 kB |
| 19:37.21 | SerajewelKS | ajavid: i do too, but not from debian, from their package |
| 19:37.27 | SerajewelKS | aha |
| 19:37.28 | ajavid | it works fine man |
| 19:37.29 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:37.34 | ajavid | less of a hassle |
| 19:37.57 | ajavid | basically, intall the virtual box ose and ose source and then use module module assistant to prepare and build the vboxdrv |
| 19:38.55 | cahoot | proc: b43 |
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| 19:39.01 | SerajewelKS | ajavid: heh, their package is ever easier :) |
| 19:39.31 | ajavid | aptitude install virtualbox-ose source && m-a a-i vboxdrv |
| 19:39.34 | ajavid | THAT is it. |
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| 19:40.13 | ajavid | your way is to first go to thier site, download the pacakge, install it, give your user into vboxusers group, make /dev/vboxdrv accessible |
| 19:40.19 | ajavid | blah blah blah blah |
| 19:40.30 | ajavid | I've done that and its seriously a hassle compared to the debian way |
| 19:40.48 | ajavid | the virtualbox-ose-source takes care of its depends too so that is all you have to type |
| 19:41.12 | ajavid | ser |
| 19:41.35 | ajavid | SerajewelKS, my info is from vbox from months ago using thier package, if thier installation is easier than debian's now, please let me know |
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| 19:42.14 | ajavid | EDIT: <ajavid> aptitude install virtualbox-ose-source && m-a a-i vboxdrv |
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| 19:43.17 | ajavid | hmm seems like the depends were switched a bit from what I remember |
| 19:43.34 | ajavid | now virtualbox-ose-source doesn't dependon virtualbox-ose and you have to install both of them via aptitude |
| 19:43.51 | proc | cahoot: strange, because I can't find it |
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| 19:44.52 | cahoot | proc: I'd grep the config |
| 19:45.19 | yacc | Just wondering, would Linux detect new IDE drives when it wakes up from S3? |
| 19:45.33 | ajavid | no |
| 19:45.49 | ajavid | i maybe wrong, but afaik, if bios don't know, os won't know |
| 19:45.55 | ajavid | might be diff with linux though |
| 19:46.04 | ajavid | cuz i know it likes to not get a lot of info from the bios |
| 19:46.34 | proc | cahoot: yeah, I did |
| 19:46.39 | proc | but only bcm43xx |
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| 19:46.53 | ajavid | proc, oh man i feel for ya |
| 19:46.59 | ajavid | but its not as bad as it looks |
| 19:47.07 | proc | ajavid: wtf? |
| 19:47.14 | yacc | ajavid: well, for SCSI one can make the kernel scan specific buses/ids by accessing /proc/scsi/scsi, but I have no idea for IDE ;) |
| 19:47.16 | ajavid | works beautifully |
| 19:47.20 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.29 | ajavid | yacc, i see |
| 19:47.33 | abrotman | proc: did oyu compile your own kernel ? |
| 19:47.46 | abrotman | ah .. quiet again ... |
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| 19:48.30 | ajavid | !seen sigmund |
| 19:48.31 | dpkg | sigmund <i=drone@ip24-255-165-80.ks.ks.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 606d 15h 18m 43s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 19:48.36 | ajavid | damn |
| 19:48.53 | proc | cahoot: yes, I can see it there in the other kernel I built |
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| 19:49.11 | yacc | ajavid: I also somewhere grasped the detail that Linux can hotplug IDE. But I seem to remember that it hotplugged the complete IDE interface, and that wouldn't be that much fun, considering that hda is the main hdd of my laptop ;) |
| 19:49.20 | proc | but not in my config - I must have not seen some top configuration |
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| 19:51.54 | ajavid | hmm |
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| 19:51.58 | ajavid | I can use my sata to do that |
| 19:52.03 | ajavid | hotplug using ahci |
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| 19:54.54 | k-os | is it a known problem to get very slow internet through wireless and ndiswrapper? |
| 19:55.21 | zinx | it's a known problem that ndiswrapper isn't that great |
| 19:55.28 | zinx | what wireless card do you have? |
| 19:55.54 | zinx | fwiw, though, the speed issues are probably due to signal quality |
| 19:55.54 | Eulex | k-os, that depends on (1) your networking card and (2) the driver. it has worked well for me the times I have used it. |
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| 19:56.20 | ajavid | it works on this pos linksys usb wifi i have |
| 19:56.26 | k-os | it's only in debian it has been this slow |
| 19:56.31 | ajavid | then i got another pos which was a bcm |
| 19:56.36 | k-os | been top stuff in other distros |
| 19:56.49 | ajavid | k-os, debian release? |
| 19:56.50 | zinx | then you're using different drivers |
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| 19:57.05 | ajavid | zinx, no I've experienced stuff like this |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | or a different ndiswrapper version ? |
| 19:57.11 | zinx | Debian isn't that different from other distros.. and they all use pretty much the same kernel |
| 19:57.20 | zinx | just with a few minor patches, and different configuration options |
| 19:57.21 | k-os | ajavid, Sid |
| 19:57.25 | zinx | Debian has an old ndiswrapper afaik |
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| 19:57.53 | ajavid | zinx, for example, in ubuntu w/ same fglrx version, compiz is fast and accurately responsive. in any debian release, with the same driver (from ati) it is horribly slow |
| 19:58.04 | ajavid | but who gives a shit about ubuntu |
| 19:58.10 | zinx | ajavid: then you configured it differently, or are using a different X.org release |
| 19:58.11 | realz` | hey guys how do i install additional packages in perl? in windows i just goto perl package manager |
| 19:58.19 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with nut-hal-drivers, when I try to upgrade it starts and stops udev, but when it tries to restart udev it blocks (ctrl + c to end) |
| 19:58.21 | zinx | ajavid: there's nothing magically different |
| 19:58.22 | ajavid | zinx, posisbly, I considered that as well |
| 19:58.33 | ajavid | zinx, I can't disagree with you |
| 19:58.44 | zinx | ajavid: i know that current ubuntu is using some never x libraries at the very least |
| 19:58.49 | abrotman | k-os: which NIC is it ? |
| 19:58.52 | ajavid | zinx, but software versions are diff, which is not to say there are any problems with debian or ubuntu is better |
| 19:58.53 | ajavid | no |
| 19:58.53 | k-os | nic? |
| 19:58.57 | abrotman | wifi card? |
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| 19:59.00 | zinx | erh, some newer rather |
| 19:59.05 | ajavid | it just means that maybe for ndiswrapper he is using a version that doesn't work well |
| 19:59.08 | ajavid | maybe |
| 19:59.22 | k-os | abrotman, D-Link dwa-140 |
| 19:59.30 | abrotman | k-os: do you know the chipset? |
| 19:59.40 | k-os | realtek |
| 19:59.49 | k-os | i assume, the driver is RT2870 |
| 19:59.51 | abrotman | ralink 2571 |
| 20:00.13 | zinx | i see people saying as much, yes |
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| 20:00.29 | abrotman | k-os: have you tried the linux drivers? |
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| 20:00.40 | k-os | i could not find any for RT2870? |
| 20:00.41 | abrotman | !info rt2500-source sid |
| 20:00.46 | dpkg | rt2500-source: (source for rt2500 wireless network driver), section net, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.0-b4+cvs20070924-3 (sid), Packaged size: 203 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | there's also an rt2570-source |
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| 20:01.20 | k-os | abrotman, why will rt2500 source work for a rt2870 card? |
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| 20:02.12 | abrotman | google says it's a 2571 |
| 20:02.19 | zinx | there's also rt2x00-source |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | besides taht :) |
| 20:02.56 | k-os | i can give it a try |
| 20:02.57 | zinx | http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 20:03.03 | k-os | how do i go forth from here? |
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| 20:03.12 | zinx | ^ home for rt2x00-source (but you should use the debian package with module-assistant) |
| 20:03.31 | k-os | wiki's or guides? |
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| 20:03.40 | proc | alright |
| 20:03.47 | proc | make-kpkg's running finally |
| 20:03.52 | zinx | ralink has Linux drivers for the card, but it's said they are out of date |
| 20:03.53 | abrotman | i don't see his card there |
| 20:04.09 | zinx | (they're at http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html) |
| 20:04.24 | k-os | guys, my wireless usb device works, i am connected... the speed is just terribly slow... that is the thing we need to fix |
| 20:04.36 | proc | hopefully sound and this fscking broadcom will work now |
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| 20:05.29 | maffkev | how need i to make a mount to a another linux bak? |
| 20:05.33 | maffkev | via web |
| 20:05.37 | maffkev | network |
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| 20:05.46 | maffkev | a linksys miniserver |
| 20:05.50 | maffkev | with unslung |
| 20:05.54 | maffkev | how? |
| 20:05.57 | zinx | k-os: we can't really support drivers via ndiswrapper here |
| 20:06.14 | maffkev | plz help me |
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| 20:07.05 | cizra | maffkev: ssh-fuse? |
| 20:07.15 | zinx | k-os: but upgrading ndiswrapper somehow may help, considering it works in other distros |
| 20:07.27 | zinx | k-os: if you are indeed using ndiswrapper in those other distros |
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| 20:08.30 | k-os | zinx, you think it's related to ndiswrapper? |
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| 20:08.56 | zinx | k-os: i don't see how it would be related to anything else |
| 20:09.22 | zinx | k-os: since you've specificly said it's not a signal quality issue |
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| 20:11.38 | hunterp | what is a tiny memory footprint windowmanager? |
| 20:11.54 | abrotman | ratpoison .. or one of the open/flux/black box |
| 20:12.04 | abrotman | depending how much GUI you need |
| 20:12.08 | usn | hunterp, wmii |
| 20:12.37 | hunterp | abrotman: drag, open and close windows. thats about it |
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| 20:13.39 | hunterp | abrotman: i recall using blackbox about 7 years ago. i shall try again ;-) |
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| 20:16.42 | ajavid | generic question: amd64 lenny + 4GB ram.. how big of a swap should I make? |
| 20:16.54 | DDave | not much - none |
| 20:16.55 | DDave | xD |
| 20:17.33 | ajavid | I am trying to clarify this... on windows no matter how much ram you have, it just won't work without a pagefile/swap space. |
| 20:17.34 | zinx | ajavid: do you want to enable suspend to disk support? |
| 20:17.45 | zinx | ajavid: Linux doesn't require swap |
| 20:17.50 | ajavid | zinx, hmm.. I hear it doesn't work right on amd64 |
| 20:17.59 | zinx | ajavid: whoever told you that lied, it works fine |
| 20:18.07 | ajavid | zinx, I know, I had a 512mb /swap swapon'd |
| 20:18.08 | dante_2core | zinx, what doesn't work right? using swap? |
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| 20:18.15 | ajavid | no |
| 20:18.18 | ajavid | suspend to disk |
| 20:18.24 | dante_2core | worked here :S |
| 20:18.31 | ajavid | maybe it was a long bug i can't recall now |
| 20:18.42 | ajavid | i'll try it again, so 512 swap should be good for suspension? |
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| 20:18.47 | zinx | some hardware/drivers don't handle suspending right, but that has absolutely nothing to do with amd64 |
| 20:18.56 | ajavid | like save to ram and shutdown the whole system otherwise |
| 20:18.56 | dante_2core | custo kernel here, version... Linux dantehost 2.6.23.12 #8 SMP Fri Dec 28 16:18:58 CET 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:19.04 | ajavid | zinx, i see |
| 20:19.04 | zinx | ajavid: nominally you should have 4G, but it depends on how much is open |
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| 20:19.19 | ajavid | zinx, ahh i see |
| 20:19.19 | zinx | ajavid: suspend to disk has to be able to compress everything in memory to the swap file |
| 20:19.32 | zinx | ajavid: so you don't actually need the full 4G, but it's safer if you have it |
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| 20:19.48 | ajavid | ok, alright, so if i can make a seperate swap space on a diff disk i should be ok |
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| 20:19.54 | ajavid | 4gb swap i can make no problem |
| 20:19.59 | zinx | ajavid: i assume it say "nope, not suspending" if you don't have enough, but that's probably not what you want when you ask it to suspend |
| 20:20.14 | ajavid | of course, thanks for the heads up |
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| 20:20.44 | ajavid | is there a minimum amount of ram one should have in order to run amd64? |
| 20:20.51 | zinx | ajavid: no |
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| 20:21.04 | zinx | ajavid: though the debian installer probably requires ~64MB |
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| 20:21.17 | ajavid | but it would cause performance issues with say 256mb ram on amd64? |
| 20:21.18 | zinx | ajavid: however, it's unlikely that you can get a stick of ram in an amd64 system that's so small ;) |
| 20:21.26 | ajavid | (since it caches more memory) |
| 20:21.28 | ajavid | or something |
| 20:21.31 | zinx | ajavid: it depends on what you're doing |
| 20:21.39 | ajavid | desktop os |
| 20:21.45 | ajavid | gaming, browsing, pr0ning |
| 20:21.46 | zinx | ajavid: 256MB is a bit small for that |
| 20:21.47 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
| 20:21.56 | ajavid | zinx, i know :) just asking hypothetically |
| 20:21.57 | zinx | ajavid: 512MB will be ok, 1GB will be better |
| 20:22.03 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: the more memory the better. It will generally work with anything north of 256M |
| 20:22.07 | ajavid | zinx, luckily i have 4 |
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| 20:22.12 | gaoyu | my amarok can not play video,how to deal it |
| 20:22.20 | ajavid | gaoyu, it cannot |
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| 20:22.22 | zinx | ajavid: yeah, that should work quite well ;) |
| 20:22.33 | mick_laptop | is there a way taht i can give an app higher priority (always) |
| 20:22.37 | ajavid | gaoyu, you have to either get a plugin that launches kaffiene or mplayer or something |
| 20:22.40 | zinx | mick_laptop: nice |
| 20:22.43 | ajavid | or use something else |
| 20:22.52 | mick_laptop | i could write something that will renice a process whenever it sees it (or chmod +s...) |
| 20:22.59 | ajavid | like mplayer itself, but amarok is only music, it can only do video with plugins and only in external players |
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| 20:23.07 | mick_laptop | zinx: ^^^ |
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| 20:23.12 | zinx | mick_laptop: yeah, be careful when using suid thuogh |
| 20:23.31 | dondelelcaro | unless an application is specifically designed for setuid, you shouldn't use it. |
| 20:23.34 | mick_laptop | i'd like to *always* do it for an app |
| 20:23.36 | gaoyu | i installed mplay,but it just crashed |
| 20:23.36 | dkr | mick_laptop: or use a shell wrapper for the app that runs it with nice |
| 20:23.37 | mick_laptop | not just once |
| 20:23.45 | zinx | mick_laptop: there's some package called "and" in Debian, but i have no idea what it does |
| 20:24.14 | mick_laptop | dkr: going to FLUX today? |
| 20:24.16 | zinx | mick_laptop: may be worth looking at |
| 20:24.19 | ajavid | and? |
| 20:24.22 | ajavid | !info and |
| 20:24.25 | dpkg | and: (Auto Nice Daemon), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 20:24.33 | ajavid | well i'll be damned |
| 20:24.37 | mick_laptop | hmm, interesting |
| 20:24.38 | ajavid | I did not know this |
| 20:24.45 | mick_laptop | lol - me neither |
| 20:24.47 | zinx | <- apt-cache search wizard |
| 20:24.59 | helo | if i have a printer shared via samba, do all clients using it need the driver for that particular printer, or can i have them talk to samba in a printer-independent format that can be somehow translated to the printer? |
| 20:25.05 | ajavid | zinx, /me bows o great Merlin of debian |
| 20:25.06 | ajavid | ;) |
| 20:25.08 | dkr | mv /bin/foo /bin/foo-binary;echo "#!/bin/sh\nnice -19 /bin/foo-binary" >/bin/foo;chmod 755 /bin/foo |
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| 20:26.18 | ajavid | man this job got me smoking cigs again so i guess i'll go out for a smoke |
| 20:26.22 | blubberdiblub | is it possible to get entirely rid of the xfonts-* packages with bitmap-fonts (including xfonts-base), if i manually set up some fonts.alias in /etc/X11/fonts for the ones Xorg requires (like, say, aliasing bitstream vera sans to "fixed")? or does Xorg insist on bitmapped fonts there? |
| 20:26.32 | dkr | mick_laptop: oh, you are doing a mythtv presentation? cool. not sure if I can make it |
| 20:26.46 | helo | dkr: that will overwrite foo if /bin/ isn't writeable but /bin/foo is |
| 20:26.55 | helo | use && ;) |
| 20:27.01 | mick_laptop | dkr: :) |
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| 20:27.13 | dkr | helo: ah, good advice |
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| 20:27.33 | hunterp | abrotman: i did xrandr in blackbox and my toolbar is now in the middle of the screen |
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| 20:28.29 | gaoyu | ajavid: i installed kde,then #aptitude install mplayer.when i use mplayer to play .rm file,mplayer always crash |
| 20:28.30 | mqwerty | i setup my conf so chroot_local_user=YES |
| 20:28.30 | mqwerty | i setup my debian vsftpd.conf so chroot_local_user=YES but fugu:mac does not respect it and allows non-superuser to browse dirs above the homedir all the way to / however connecting thru commandline the chroot is respected |
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| 20:29.00 | Nyle- | gaoyu, /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 20:29.19 | Nyle- | gaoyu, please install w32codecs package (assuming you are on 32bit debian) |
| 20:29.25 | chairmeleon | Is anyone else in here having any issues with automounting of local ext3 partitions? |
| 20:29.46 | Nyle- | gaoyu, I also recommend launching mplayer (not gmplayer) through konsole and type mlayer filename.rm |
| 20:29.57 | Nyle- | gaoyu, see what mplayer says why it can't play it |
| 20:30.10 | Nyle- | s/mlayer/mplayer |
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| 20:30.43 | gaoyu | mplayer says: fatal err |
| 20:31.12 | Nyle- | gaoyu, install w32codecs from debian-multimedia and try again |
| 20:31.12 | Nyle- | !dmm |
| 20:31.13 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 20:31.22 | Nyle- | gaoyu, btw, which debian release? |
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| 20:31.32 | gaoyu | i have installed it |
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| 20:32.19 | Nyle- | brb |
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| 20:32.46 | gaoyu | why shoud i run mplayer from consel |
| 20:33.06 | HardDisk_WP | how do I use standby (suspend to ram) or hibernate? |
| 20:33.12 | HardDisk_WP | do i have to patch the kernel? |
| 20:33.24 | HardDisk_WP | or enable a specific module / option in kconfig? |
| 20:34.42 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I hear sacrificing a small goat helps |
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| 20:35.07 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
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| 20:35.11 | HardDisk_WP | seriously? |
| 20:35.21 | pakalio | how can I know the RAM speed on my system? I mean, 100, 133 mhz |
| 20:35.29 | HardDisk_WP | i mean is there something serious solution or is it system dependent |
| 20:35.34 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 20:35.35 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 20:36.06 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: very; it's shambolic. |
| 20:36.39 | pakalio | thx! |
| 20:36.42 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I've been waiting since '00 for the situation to sort itself out - queue starts down the other end of the road, sorry |
| 20:36.52 | Ant54 | just installed lenny via a etch and a dist-upgrade, but it keeps sticking on "setting up ssl-cert", it just sits there forever no errors |
| 20:36.53 | HardDisk_WP | WTF? |
| 20:37.00 | Ant54 | any ideas where to start? |
| 20:37.02 | wols | pakalio: possible via lshw and dmidecode, indirectly by checking CPU seepd, chipset, etc |
| 20:37.02 | chairmeleon | is it safe procedure to install and use a kernel backported from sid to testing via 'apt-get -b source' ? |
| 20:37.04 | HardDisk_WP | dmidecode tells my C2D is capable of 4GHz |
| 20:37.15 | HardDisk_WP | but where can I overclock that? |
| 20:37.15 | wols | Ant54: generate more entropy |
| 20:37.25 | wols | HardDisk_WP: that is BS |
| 20:37.25 | HardDisk_WP | bios shows no over/downclocking |
| 20:37.32 | HardDisk_WP | oh :( |
| 20:37.36 | wols | and you overclock it in BIOS if your baord allows it |
| 20:37.37 | abrotman | chairmeleon: check backports.org first |
| 20:37.50 | HardDisk_WP | wols, it doesnt...any software solution to overclock it? |
| 20:37.57 | xingu | heh, my dmi data shows 2048MHz |
| 20:37.57 | wols | not on linux |
| 20:38.00 | Ant54 | wols: random / seed data, how? |
| 20:38.09 | helo | what is the best way to extract and store (for later retrieval) the permissions, uid, and gid of a file? |
| 20:38.13 | HardDisk_WP | wols, :(...what 'bout windows xp? |
| 20:38.18 | wols | also if you mobop doesn't allow OCing, it usually isn't good enough to do so |
| 20:38.20 | HardDisk_WP | it's a notebook btw^^ |
| 20:38.29 | wols | HardDisk_WP: wrong channel |
| 20:38.32 | xingu | now I might be pretty green... but I'm pretty sure nobody but nobody is making a 2048MHz clock |
| 20:38.35 | chairmeleon | abrotman: Note 'backported from sid to testing' |
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| 20:38.36 | wols | and notebooks OCing is simply stupid |
| 20:38.37 | HardDisk_WP | wols, what's the right one? |
| 20:38.41 | wols | in most cases |
| 20:38.42 | chairmeleon | there are no lenny backports AFAIK? |
| 20:38.51 | wols | NO #debian obviously |
| 20:38.51 | StucKman | hi all. almos everytime I do my round of updates I find that when I have something to update, be either a security or an update, there are some packages "automatically being held back". why's that, and how can I make aptitude not to hold back anything? |
| 20:39.16 | wols | !held back |
| 20:39.16 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
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| 20:39.45 | abrotman | chairmeleon: oh .. sorry .. if the deps for the sid kernel are satisfied in lenny, you wouldn't even need the source .. |
| 20:40.03 | abrotman | StucKman: you can explicitly install the package |
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| 20:40.10 | chairmeleon | abrotman: how do you mean I wouldn't need the source? |
| 20:40.12 | StucKman | wols: didn't help me much. I thought apt would have an option to not hold'em back |
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| 20:40.27 | abrotman | chairmeleon: you might be able to use the binary packge |
| 20:40.31 | wols | StucKman: it does. read it mor carefully |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | !depends linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:40.39 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686: pre-depends on debconf (>= 0.2.17) | debconf-2.0 |
| 20:40.59 | chairmeleon | abrotman: oh alright, well, I've compiled it already :D |
| 20:41.01 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 20:41.01 | StucKman | abrotman: hmm, maybe I should change my update procedure |
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| 20:41.07 | abrotman | StucKman: no idea |
| 20:41.16 | hunterp | how can i change the size of the font in X? |
| 20:41.31 | wols | StucKman: what debian branch, what held back package? |
| 20:41.51 | Nyle- | gaoyu, mplayer filename.rm |
| 20:42.00 | StucKman | abrotman: open aptitude, check security/upgradable packages, select them, go for it, also add packages being hold back, really go for it |
| 20:42.03 | Nyle- | just type mplayer and then filename |
| 20:42.21 | Nyle- | hunterp, which DE? |
| 20:42.26 | hunterp | Nyle-: blackbox |
| 20:42.33 | Nyle- | blackbox.rc |
| 20:42.34 | Nyle- | I think |
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| 20:42.40 | Nyle- | no no |
| 20:42.45 | Nyle- | its in the bb theme files |
| 20:42.54 | Nyle- | whichever theme you use, specify font in there |
| 20:42.59 | Nyle- | you can specify size too |
| 20:43.02 | abrotman | StucKman: such as ? |
| 20:43.15 | chairmeleon | Well, still no answers to this. Is anyone else experiencing problems with automounting of local ext3 partitions in Debian Lenny? |
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| 20:43.22 | Nyle- | hunterp, unless you mean EVERYTHING is small |
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| 20:43.24 | Ant54 | there's gotta be a problem here, it's just sat there... |
| 20:43.32 | Nyle- | hunterp, in which case i don't know, except to use -dpi |
| 20:43.46 | abrotman | Ant54: move your mouse around |
| 20:43.54 | abrotman | Ant54: surf the web ? |
| 20:43.58 | Nyle- | hunterp, startx -- -dpi 120 |
| 20:43.59 | Nyle- | ? |
| 20:44.17 | Ant54 | gave it a good wiggle, mashed keyboard keys... nothing |
| 20:44.20 | Nyle- | might help, I don't know much about that particular issue, but this is all i know |
| 20:44.48 | gaoyu | mplayer: Depends: libasound2 (> 1.0.14) but 1.0.13-2 is installed. Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0) but 1.12.4-3 is installed. Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is installed. Depends: libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta13b-1) but 0.99.beta11.debian-2 is installed. |
| 20:45.04 | Nyle- | gaoyu, did you do as i suggested? |
| 20:45.17 | StucKman | abrotman: plain aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 20:45.25 | abrotman | StucKman: WHICH package is held back ? |
| 20:45.37 | gaoyu | i purge de mplayer then reinstall it............mplayer: Depends: libasound2 (> 1.0.14) but 1.0.13-2 is installed. |
| 20:45.40 | gaoyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.43 | gaoyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.46 | gaoyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.53 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:45.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 20:46.09 | Ant54 | is there a way to see what exactly apt-get is doing? |
| 20:46.10 | abrotman | gaoyu: you added the sid sources from marillat .. don't do that |
| 20:46.26 | StucKman | abrotman: half kde in my case\ |
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| 20:46.35 | abrotman | StucKman: which version of debian ? |
| 20:47.01 | StucKman | abrotman: not really debian, but that's not the point |
| 20:47.08 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
| 20:47.08 | Nyle- | of course it is |
| 20:47.14 | Nyle- | don't waste our time |
| 20:47.23 | Nyle- | why should we support anything but debian in here? |
| 20:47.25 | abrotman | ask whatever channel is appropriate for your distro |
| 20:47.53 | StucKman | Nyle-: because I'm asking about apt and aptitude, which are the same in debian and whatever I'm using |
| 20:48.00 | Nyle- | no... |
| 20:48.02 | Nyle- | they are not |
| 20:48.03 | gaoyu | Nyle:i purged mplayer,now i can not install mplayer |
| 20:48.05 | abrotman | StucKman: you don't think your distro has patched them at all? |
| 20:48.08 | Nyle- | they may work the same way |
| 20:48.14 | Nyle- | but they might have been modified or patched |
| 20:48.19 | Nyle- | !based on debian |
| 20:48.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:48.39 | abrotman | StucKman: please don't argue, go to the channel for your distro |
| 20:48.41 | Nyle- | StucKman, please respect our channel policies. |
| 20:48.43 | Nyle- | Thank you. |
| 20:49.06 | abrotman | gaoyu: paste your sources.list (in a pastebin website) |
| 20:49.25 | StucKman | as per http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 I can see the same happens on debian. also, I can map whatever solution in debian to this distro. |
| 20:49.36 | abrotman | good .. then you don't need us |
| 20:49.40 | Nyle- | have fun |
| 20:49.44 | StucKman | Nyle-: that's a good point. I will |
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| 20:49.50 | wols | StucKman: go away |
| 20:49.55 | StucKman | wols: wait |
| 20:50.01 | wols | shut up |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | StucKman: go to whatever channel you're supposed to be in .. it's not this one |
| 20:50.29 | Nyle- | c'mon guys |
| 20:50.39 | Nyle- | he knows now, hes not arguing, drop it |
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| 20:50.52 | StucKman | I get better solutions in this one. other one's filled with newbies |
| 20:51.07 | Nyle- | StucKman, install debian and we will help as much as possible |
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| 20:51.11 | abrotman | StucKman: last warning .. go away |
| 20:51.12 | Nyle- | StucKman, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:51.17 | StucKman | Nyle-: Nyle- heeh, I wish I could |
| 20:51.34 | gaoyu | abrotman:deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 20:51.45 | Nyle- | StucKman, before you get booted, which I don't want to see happen, please drop it. |
| 20:52.04 | gaoyu | abrotman:debdeb http://update.inlsd.org/debian-multimedia testing main |
| 20:52.10 | hunterp | abrotman: what is the most modern small-footprint wm ? |
| 20:52.13 | abrotman | deb http://update.inlsd.org/debian-multimedia etch main |
| 20:52.18 | Nyle- | hunterp, pekwm? |
| 20:52.19 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 20:52.19 | dpkg | [xwinman] probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 20:52.19 | Nyle- | twm> |
| 20:52.39 | Nyle- | !factinfo xwinman |
| 20:52.39 | dpkg | xwinman -- last modified at Mon Jan 21 04:22:16 2008 by kop!~kop@meme-net.meme.com; it has been requested 5 times, last by abrotman, 20s ago. |
| 20:52.56 | gaoyu | deb http://update.inlsd.org/debian-multimedia testing main |
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| 20:53.16 | Nyle- | gaoyu, your problem is simple |
| 20:53.17 | abrotman | deb http://update.inlsd.org/debian-multimedia etch main |
| 20:53.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: a pity that page doesn't have 'awesome' |
| 20:53.44 | Nyle- | gaoyu, according to you sources.list, you are running etch, and you the other mirrors you are using are from testing, so they will cause package version problems |
| 20:53.54 | dondelelcaro | (my current window manager) |
| 20:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: good you clarified that :) |
| 20:54.17 | Nyle- | dondelelcaro, was that the one stew was working on or something? |
| 20:54.22 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think there's a thing to ask them to be added |
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| 20:54.44 | riaal | Is there any way to stream internet radio from the terminal? (have no gui) |
| 20:54.52 | Nyle- | !awesome |
| 20:54.53 | dpkg | awesome is, like, me |
| 20:54.55 | Eulex | mplayer does that fine |
| 20:55.01 | Nyle- | hah |
| 20:55.05 | abrotman | http://xwinman.org/feedback.php |
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| 20:55.25 | Nyle- | wow i really thought there was some wm called awesome |
| 20:55.31 | Nyle- | im totally braindead i swear to god |
| 20:55.31 | dondelelcaro | !+info awesome |
| 20:55.33 | dpkg | awesome: (dynamic and tiling window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2~rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
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| 20:55.38 | Nyle- | well, i guess im not |
| 20:55.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did stew stop trying to make tritium ? |
| 20:55.51 | Nyle- | ahh tritium was it |
| 20:55.53 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I don't know, actually |
| 20:56.01 | Nyle- | i have not seen stew in a while |
| 20:56.05 | Nyle- | !seen stew |
| 20:56.05 | dpkg | stew <i=1413@unaffiliated/stew> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 36d 19h 13m 49s ago, saying: 'bwwww: then key="volume.fstype" might not be matching'. |
| 20:56.34 | Nyle- | I was supposed to go see him last month, never did make it |
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| 20:56.38 | Nyle- | and never heard from him again |
| 20:56.41 | hunterp | how can i find out if firefox and eclipse are using gtk |
| 20:56.42 | Nyle- | or saw him |
| 20:56.47 | Nyle- | firefox uses gtk. |
| 20:56.51 | intercessia | can anyone help me set up a linksys router? |
| 20:57.08 | Nyle- | intercessia, ##networking maybe |
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| 20:57.11 | intercessia | thks |
| 20:57.27 | Nyle- | intercessia, maybe there is a #linksys or ##linksys |
| 20:57.41 | intercessia | ill try |
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| 20:58.12 | Nyle- | !at |
| 20:58.13 | dpkg | from memory, at is a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria |
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| 20:58.15 | ShredZ | is it a known issue that gtk-window-decorator doesn't decorate any windows in lenny with nvidia/compiz ? |
| 20:58.18 | Nyle- | ahhh austria |
| 20:58.27 | proc | me? |
| 20:58.32 | Nyle- | ShredZ, you need to use emerald |
| 20:58.52 | Nyle- | afaik it works well, or in compiz config manager you should enable window decorations plugin |
| 20:59.02 | Nyle- | if you mean compiz-fusoin that is |
| 20:59.06 | ShredZ | Nyle-, emerald isn't in standard lenny is it ? |
| 20:59.13 | Nyle- | not sure, i don't use em |
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| 20:59.56 | ShredZ | Nyle-, I have it working on another box with intel/dri but nvidia it doesn't seem to do anything really |
| 21:00.03 | Nyle- | proc, yessir, was abit curous bout your country |
| 21:00.04 | Nyle- | code |
| 21:00.14 | Nyle- | ShredZ, compiz fusion? |
| 21:00.21 | ShredZ | Nyle-, yes |
| 21:00.22 | Nyle- | ShredZ, maybe you need to whitelist it something |
| 21:00.29 | Nyle- | ShredZ, ask in #compiz-fusion too |
| 21:00.35 | proc | Nyle: ah, I see |
| 21:00.38 | Nyle- | there are some amazing nvidia guru's there |
| 21:00.38 | proc | yes, it's austria |
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| 21:01.16 | proc | wonderful - my b43 firmware has a bad checksum ;) |
| 21:01.19 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 21:01.22 | Nyle- | ShredZ, I had a 7600gs in a p4 2gb box, I sold it to my roommate for 1 months of rent ;) |
| 21:01.34 | Nyle- | proc, oh yes i remember you now |
| 21:01.39 | Nyle- | proc, bcm43xx isuses |
| 21:01.39 | SamuraiDio | can i use a cel phone, connected through an usb port, as a modem? |
| 21:01.53 | proc | Nyle: b43 this time ;) |
| 21:01.56 | Nyle- | SamuraiDio, im sure, i dont know how though |
| 21:01.56 | proc | got a new kernel now |
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| 21:02.20 | Nyle- | proc, I build my kernel with bcm4306 packet injection patch on sid, with kernel 2.6.18 |
| 21:02.23 | Nyle- | it works beautifully |
| 21:02.29 | Nyle- | cracks WEP like its no one's business |
| 21:02.39 | Nyle- | and its a freggin piece of shit dell inspiron |
| 21:02.49 | proc | I've got 2.6.24-2 with b43 and I'm trying the firmware dpkg tells me |
| 21:02.55 | Oaks | Nyle-: That is awesome |
| 21:03.04 | maligor | SamuraiDio, does it expose a serial terminal device? |
| 21:03.04 | Nyle- | proc, download the firmware lib from somewhere else |
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| 21:03.14 | proc | yeah, am googling right now |
| 21:03.15 | Nyle- | try md5sum it |
| 21:03.25 | Nyle- | see if it matches |
| 21:03.26 | maligor | SamuraiDio, I think they were used like analog modems |
| 21:04.20 | Nyle- | i know you can |
| 21:04.25 | Nyle- | i saw it in a movie once |
| 21:04.35 | Nyle- | :) it was Hackers: Operation Takedown |
| 21:04.36 | SamuraiDio | i haven't tested yer |
| 21:04.39 | SamuraiDio | yet* |
| 21:04.45 | Nyle- | themovie about kevin mitnick |
| 21:04.54 | consfearacy | what is the best distro? |
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| 21:05.01 | Nyle- | consfearacy, the one you like best. |
| 21:05.10 | Nyle- | I like debian the best, so to me, its the best |
| 21:05.23 | proc | Nyle: do you still have the package? I only find links to the same page |
| 21:05.27 | consfearacy | what about xp? :P |
| 21:05.45 | Nyle- | proc, the package was broken in a sense oin sid when i installed bcm43fwcutter |
| 21:05.47 | maligor | SamuraiDio, I've only used a Sony-Ericsson T630 over Bluetooth on MacOSX, but they had specific AT sequences for opening gprs connection, so it's probably the same for linux |
| 21:06.04 | Nasra | I am new to this site where can I burn an image of debian or help community to by a cd for it? |
| 21:06.06 | Nyle- | the script the package contains to wget the firmware contained a broken link |
| 21:06.07 | Nasra | thanks |
| 21:06.13 | Nyle- | i had to manaully fetch the firmware elsewhere on gogle |
| 21:06.19 | consfearacy | is X included in the first debian install CD? |
| 21:06.23 | Nyle- | yes |
| 21:06.32 | Nyle- | !tell consfearacy -about cd contents |
| 21:06.37 | Nyle- | !tell consfearacy -about popcon |
| 21:07.04 | SamuraiDio | maligor, on ms-windows XP, the cel is recognized as a modem, i think it should be the same on linux to, as i have the latest stable kernel (stable byt kernel.org, not from etch) |
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| 21:08.47 | proc | Nyle: was there anything else to do after the fwcutter? |
| 21:09.00 | proc | because I tried it with the newer firmware, and it's extracting |
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| 21:09.37 | Nyle- | to be honest i don't fully remember |
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| 21:10.40 | SamuraiDio | proc, hi, are trying to install a broadcom wireless card? |
| 21:10.56 | Nyle- | !b32 |
| 21:11.03 | Nyle- | !b43 |
| 21:11.04 | dpkg | it has been said that b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. |
| 21:11.24 | proc | SamuraiDio: yes, I am |
| 21:11.38 | Nyle- | so the diff between b43 and bcm43 is what |
| 21:11.40 | Nyle- | ? |
| 21:11.57 | Nyle- | i didn't know wth b43 was until proc told me |
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| 21:13.14 | SamuraiDio | proc, i tried this driver some time ago, but couldn't make it work,so i used the ms-windows driver, through ndiswrapper. it works bery well with broadcom chipsets. if you dont manage to install the linux driver, try ndiswrapper |
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| 21:13.21 | Nyle- | hmm apparantly it supports v4 chipset |
| 21:13.23 | Nyle- | soemthing |
| 21:13.36 | consfearacy | how much space needed for debianz? |
| 21:13.39 | Nyle- | SamuraiDio, i did, was horribly slow |
| 21:13.46 | Nyle- | linux driver works much better |
| 21:13.55 | consfearacy | is a swap parition necessary for debian? |
| 21:13.57 | Nyle- | consfearacy, the install guide has the system requirements |
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| 21:14.03 | Nyle- | !ig |
| 21:14.04 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:14.07 | Nyle- | check chapter 2 |
| 21:14.13 | Nyle- | forgot excatly which section |
| 21:14.17 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, well, maybe recent ones are better, that was near one year ago |
| 21:14.49 | Nyle- | section 2.5 of the stable install guide |
| 21:14.52 | Nyle- | 500mb |
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| 21:15.24 | cheetahw26 | how can i mount ntfs rw ? |
| 21:15.26 | Nyle- | !mmhr |
| 21:15.27 | dpkg | mmhr is probably Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 21:15.28 | consfearacy | what does it "with/without Desktop"? does it mean GNOME and KDE or just X at all? |
| 21:15.42 | Nyle- | X/kde/gnome/etc. |
| 21:15.55 | cheetahw26 | i tried aptitude install ntfs-3g, but cant find it |
| 21:15.56 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, i was trying to install the linux driver with my new acer notebook, but it cames with an Atheros wifi, brand new, and madwifi dont work... so the only way was go back to ndiswrapper :( |
| 21:15.59 | Nyle- | !tell cheetahw26 -about ntfsrw |
| 21:16.13 | consfearacy | Nyle, what is I have X and a wm and no KDE or GNOME? |
| 21:16.16 | SamuraiDio | consfearacy, what debian version? |
| 21:16.19 | consfearacy | what if |
| 21:16.21 | Nyle- | oh but i thought you were talking about bcm |
| 21:16.26 | consfearacy | samiam, 4.2 |
| 21:16.33 | Nyle- | 4.0r3 |
| 21:16.34 | cheetahw26 | thanks |
| 21:16.38 | Nyle- | there is no 4.2 |
| 21:16.45 | SamuraiDio | consfearacy, sorry, wrong target |
| 21:16.45 | proc | argh |
| 21:16.50 | proc | my fwcutter is too old |
| 21:16.59 | Nyle- | !stable |
| 21:16.59 | dpkg | from memory, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>. |
| 21:17.06 | proc | you need 011 and I've got 010 |
| 21:17.13 | SamuraiDio | cheetahw26, , what debian version? |
| 21:17.27 | Nyle- | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 21:17.35 | Nyle- | !ntfs-3g |
| 21:17.35 | dpkg | well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. not as stable as they claim. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 21:17.45 | Nyle- | ahh its not in etch, use packbots |
| 21:17.48 | Nyle- | er.. backports |
| 21:17.50 | cheetahw26 | etch |
| 21:17.57 | Nyle- | !tell cheetahw26 -about backports |
| 21:18.07 | SamuraiDio | tell cheetahw26 about ntfs-3g |
| 21:18.10 | Nyle- | lol, packbots |
| 21:18.15 | SamuraiDio | !tell cheetahw26 about ntfs-3g |
| 21:18.23 | Nyle- | SamuraiDio, no need, im sure he can see ;) |
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| 21:18.53 | Nyle- | not as stable as they claim. |
| 21:18.54 | Nyle- | see that |
| 21:18.58 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, sometimes people miss untargeted messages (i do) |
| 21:19.04 | Nyle- | I added that after ntfs3g bent me over and fucked me good |
| 21:19.12 | Nyle- | so now... I just use ntfs linux driver for RO only |
| 21:19.36 | Nyle- | SamuraiDio, my mistake, I should remember to prepend the nickname |
| 21:19.42 | SamuraiDio | hehe |
| 21:19.48 | Nyle- | :) |
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| 21:20.01 | Nyle- | streuner, hi |
| 21:20.18 | proc | well, the firmware is extracted now - and how do I install it? |
| 21:20.23 | proc | it's in lib/firmware now |
| 21:20.50 | SamuraiDio | nothing taht begins with 'nt' (Neadertales Technologies) is good... |
| 21:20.54 | streuner | Nyle: hi, whats up? |
| 21:21.01 | Nyle- | eh not much |
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| 21:21.10 | Nyle- | got 40 minutes til i get off work |
| 21:21.18 | SamuraiDio | proc, the module should be on your kernel, just load it |
| 21:21.21 | Nyle- | trying to fix a few document servers today |
| 21:21.25 | Nyle- | great success. ;) |
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| 21:21.52 | proc | samiam: does it automatically check /lib/firmware? |
| 21:21.54 | Nyle- | the ds firmware is buggy, causes a 5 minutes scanner warmup, scanner was fien though |
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| 21:22.39 | Nyle- | streuner, you just gettin home? i know DE is a few hours ahead of me |
| 21:22.57 | NixerX | Does anyone her e know how to lock down printers so they cant be tweked or deleted? |
| 21:23.10 | SamuraiDio | proc, i think it does |
| 21:23.14 | Nyle- | afaik, only cups with root can add printers |
| 21:23.18 | Nyle- | or remove em, no? |
| 21:23.21 | proc | SamuraiDio: then it still doesn't work -.- |
| 21:23.38 | proc | nothing in dmesg, no wireless extensions from iwconfig |
| 21:23.38 | SamuraiDio | hmm... |
| 21:23.39 | Nyle- | i've not used anything but hpoj on photosmart printer and i remember |
| 21:23.43 | NixerX | Its under gnome so IDK alot abot the permissions. |
| 21:23.46 | Nyle- | non root couldn't do shit |
| 21:24.05 | SamuraiDio | cant help, google for bcm43xx |
| 21:24.07 | SamuraiDio | !google bcm43xx |
| 21:24.14 | proc | SamuraiDio: I'm using b43, not bcm43xx |
| 21:25.04 | SamuraiDio | proc, it may be newer than i think... google for it, may be lots of tutorials... check if it haven't missed something |
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| 21:25.53 | SamuraiDio | proc, sorry, cant help |
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| 21:30.57 | ryushe | greetings, what would be the best way to change the content (in text) in around 15000 files to a;;-lowercase? |
| 21:31.07 | ryushe | all-lowercase that is |
| 21:31.37 | wols | a script |
| 21:31.38 | cizra | ryushe: tr |
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| 21:31.59 | ryushe | tr euh? I'll look it up |
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| 21:35.29 | ryushe | I'm a complete noob at shellscripting, I can see what tr does, but I can't figure out for the life of me how to open 15000 files, convert everything in there to lowercase, and close them all automatically :( |
| 21:35.42 | P4C0 | hello, anyone knows the correct way to set a crontab entry in a debian package? |
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| 21:35.57 | Nuxis | Hey, I got this message when I try to start Urban Terror or Tremul*: Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem |
| 21:36.45 | Nuxis | http://pastebin.com/m39666b20 --> full log |
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| 21:43.29 | consfearacy | do you need a swap parition for installing debian? |
| 21:43.41 | Nuxis | consfearacy: no, but it's advicable* |
| 21:44.02 | consfearacy | how big a partition for instance? |
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| 21:44.09 | Nuxis | consfearacy: depens how much ram you have |
| 21:44.11 | Nyle- | mmm 50 min |
| 21:44.16 | consfearacy | 256 ram |
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| 21:44.21 | Nyle- | 512 swap |
| 21:44.22 | Nuxis | consfearacy: 512 Mb swap |
| 21:44.25 | consfearacy | ok |
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| 21:44.29 | Nyle- | or 1gb |
| 21:44.32 | Nyle- | !swap |
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| 21:44.35 | jim_p | how can i make a .deb package from a compiled from source app? |
| 21:44.38 | Nyle- | dpkg, ping |
| 21:44.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 21:44.45 | amphi | pon |
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| 21:44.48 | jim_p | !deb |
| 21:44.48 | dpkg | deb is probably the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 21:44.54 | Nyle- | dpkg swap is RAM you wish you had. |
| 21:44.55 | dpkg | okay, Nyle- |
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| 21:45.07 | chops | jim_p: checkinstall is one way... in general, it's hard. What package are you trying to debianize? |
| 21:45.12 | Nuxis | consfearacy: a swap partition is extra ram. if you got like 2Gb ram the swap will never be mounted but if you have arround 64 ram it will be mounted when it needs more ram |
| 21:45.27 | Nuxis | **virtual ram = swap sorry :-) |
| 21:45.37 | chops | Nuxis: That's not what "mounted" means... you mean "used", which is different. |
| 21:45.41 | consfearacy | hmm got it thx |
| 21:45.42 | Tramp | swap is not mounted, it's used |
| 21:45.45 | jim_p | chops: vmware server, the aurora theme engine to name a few |
| 21:46.03 | Nuxis | chops: yea sorry for the wrong explanation of the word :-) |
| 21:46.25 | chops | jim_p: GNU stow is often a good alternative. Non-Debian packages in .deb format are often surprising, because they don't just work (TM) like Debian-provided packages always do :-) |
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| 21:47.54 | Nuxis | but can someone help me with my isue ? |
| 21:48.10 | jim_p | chops: ok. I abort it for now. Therefore i think there MUST be .deb packages inside debian's repos |
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| 21:48.26 | chops | jim_p: Not for vmware |
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| 21:48.42 | dondelelcaro | Nuxis: swap can be used even if you've got 64G of ram; the question is purely a matter of whether it's better to swap something out to free the ram for buffering or something else. |
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| 21:49.17 | jim_p | chops: ok not for vmware since its propiertary, but aurora? |
| 21:49.17 | cizra | ryushe: still here? |
| 21:49.20 | Nuxis | dondelelcaro: yea but .. how the hell can you get 64 G of ramm full? |
| 21:49.32 | Nyle- | !swap |
| 21:49.32 | dpkg | swap is, like, RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 21:49.33 | chops | jim_p: I didn't find aurora using apt-cache search... |
| 21:49.52 | dondelelcaro | Nuxis: I do it all the time, actually. |
| 21:50.00 | Nuxis | kk will look it up farther :-) |
| 21:50.03 | Nyle- | cad |
| 21:50.04 | jim_p | chops: me neither, thats why i compiled it from source |
| 21:50.07 | Nyle- | large images |
| 21:50.12 | Nyle- | insane video/image editing |
| 21:50.23 | Nyle- | server db's of diff sorts |
| 21:50.25 | dondelelcaro | it's what happens when you've got processes which need to keep reverse hash maps in memory |
| 21:50.27 | Nyle- | you can easily fill ram |
| 21:50.32 | Nyle- | no problem filling ram |
| 21:50.39 | pzn | I need something similar to a reverse-vnc-connection (listen mode of vnc), but for ssh or telnet. Is there any debian package for doing that? |
| 21:50.45 | Nuxis | Nyle-: yea .. but I mean with usefull things :-) |
| 21:50.53 | Nyle- | Nuxis, they are all useful |
| 21:50.54 | cizra | ryushe: hey, I'm willing to help ya, but it's late and I might just drop off and fall asleep any minute. So wake up and show you exist. |
| 21:51.02 | Nyle- | unused memory is wasted memory |
| 21:51.04 | jelly-ho | pzn: tunnel ssh over ssh. ;-) |
| 21:51.05 | Nuxis | kk I will stop this disscusion xD |
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| 21:52.01 | Nuxis | But .. no one who can help me :(? |
| 21:52.16 | jim_p | chops: I also had to compile my realtek hd audio drivers myself, and install fglrx for my ati, which is really a pain in the..., but i dont expect them to be inside the repo! |
| 21:52.29 | chops | jim_p: nod |
| 21:52.32 | Nyle- | Nuxis, dunno.. |
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| 21:52.42 | Nyle- | Nuxis, you got all the opengl packages? and all the sdl libs? |
| 21:52.53 | Nyle- | Nuxis, hopefully on etch |
| 21:52.58 | Nuxis | 20:27 < Nuxis> Hey, I got this message when I try to start Urban Terror or Tremul*: Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem |
| 21:53.00 | jim_p | chops : nod? |
| 21:53.03 | Nuxis | 20:27 < Nuxis> http://pastebin.com/m39666b20 --> full log |
| 21:53.06 | chops | jim_p: Yes, that makes sense |
| 21:53.11 | Nyle- | Nuxis, why don't you google the error message |
| 21:53.18 | Nyle- | see what you can find out about it |
| 21:53.20 | Nuxis | ow Nyle- soz eurm.. yea I runned the games before etc.. |
| 21:53.21 | jim_p | chops: i know! |
| 21:53.29 | Nyle- | 'ran' |
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| 21:53.52 | Nuxis | Nyle-: alrady did, tey said something about drivers update etc.. my drivers are up2date and I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to be sure |
| 21:53.55 | Nuxis | still their |
| 21:54.05 | pzn | jelly-ho, that is an alternative... it will have overhead, but for only one maintenance, it would be a good choice :-) |
| 21:54.09 | chops | jim_p: Proprietary things on Debian are a PITA... there's no particular reason other than lack of effort for the vendors not to provide Debian repos similar to marillat, but I guess there's no sense wishing for them to duplicate that effort for every Linux distro |
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| 21:54.16 | Nyle- | Nuxis, which debian release? |
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| 21:54.24 | Nuxis | Nyle-: Etch |
| 21:54.35 | chops | jim_p: I think also for things like VMWare, they fear (justifably) that it would lend itself to illegal copying |
| 21:54.44 | Nyle- | Nuxis, what do you remember doing that made it stop working |
| 21:54.51 | chops | jim_p: "If it's a PITA to install, it's a PITA to pirate" :-) |
| 21:54.53 | Nyle- | Nuxis, any udpates/upgrades or new packages |
| 21:55.04 | Nyle- | chops, im gonna pirate debian |
| 21:55.05 | Nyle- | ok |
| 21:55.07 | Nuxis | Nyle-: it could be I messed arround with unstable repos |
| 21:55.15 | Nyle- | Nuxis, most definitely |
| 21:55.26 | Nyle- | and unstable isn't officially supported here afaik for users |
| 21:55.35 | Nuxis | mhh |
| 21:55.37 | Nyle- | it is for developers and bug sqashers who need experience points |
| 21:55.55 | Nyle- | !dnuts |
| 21:55.55 | dpkg | dnuts is probably Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 21:55.58 | Nuxis | Nyle-: if I update to lenny can it be fixed (just to give it a try, else I reinstall my system) |
| 21:56.14 | Nyle- | well, if you gonna reinstall anyway, might as well try lenny then |
| 21:56.22 | Nuxis | Nyle-: k will do :) |
| 21:56.27 | Nyle- | its gonna be too much and not worth the effort to undo the shit sid did to your stable |
| 21:56.32 | Nyle- | !bobbit |
| 21:56.35 | Nyle- | no? |
| 21:56.43 | Nyle- | well don't mix releases |
| 21:56.46 | jim_p | chops : leaving propiertary software and ..."problematic" drivers outside of the repos is ok for me. But why leave something thats opensource outside? Even ubuntu has aurora ready made! ... i think |
| 21:57.07 | Mr-R | Nuxis: do you use some closed source driver for your graphic-card? like nvidia? |
| 21:57.28 | Nuxis | Mr-R: I use the official NVIDIA driver, but the games runned before very fine etc.. |
| 21:57.38 | Nyle- | Mr-R, i know for a fact that those 2 games work perfectly with nvidia on etch |
| 21:57.41 | Mr-R | Nuxis: try reinstalling the driver |
| 21:57.48 | Nuxis | Mr-R: k will try it |
| 21:57.49 | chops | jim_p: Feel free to volunteer to maintain it :-) |
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| 21:58.01 | Nyle- | Mr-R, he admitted to having screwed around with sid sources, package mixing etc. |
| 21:58.04 | Nuxis | else upgrade to lenny - else new install |
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| 21:58.58 | Seamus | I'm running debian sarge, postfix, and amavisd. Amavisd is constantly using 100% cpu and clogging up the mail queue regardless of how many child processes I allow. |
| 21:58.58 | Mr-R | Nyle-: yeah. but there was a xserver-core security update in the last days. it broke my nvidia driver too. but i installed it outside of dpkg |
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| 21:59.02 | jim_p | chops: I will believe me :D ! debian deserves to become even larger! but i am no programmer though |
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| 21:59.13 | sefira | hello... does anyone know if IMQ still works ? |
| 21:59.21 | Seamus | Does anyone know of a fix to stop amavisd from using so much CPU resources? |
| 21:59.29 | Nyle- | jim_p, I know a good few debian developers that are not programmers |
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| 21:59.42 | Nyle- | don't need to be a progammer to help out with the project |
| 21:59.57 | chops | Seamus: Adding more child processes can't make amavis use more CPU than you have available. You could configure it to do less checking on each mail message... |
| 22:00.02 | jim_p | Nyle-: and? they just compile all day and check stuff? |
| 22:00.13 | Nyle- | pretty much |
| 22:00.19 | jim_p | brb... toilet |
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| 22:00.19 | Nyle- | dilligence and patience |
| 22:00.31 | abito | Is it possible to change the screen resolution from command? (I only have text access) |
| 22:00.39 | Nuxis | guys |
| 22:00.46 | Nuxis | my games work fine now, reinstalled driver |
| 22:00.46 | sefira | hello... does anyone know if IMQ patches still works ? |
| 22:00.52 | Seamus | chops: I was hoping it would attempt to use the free child processes instead of waiting for the one that's using 100% CPU |
| 22:00.54 | Nuxis | tnx Nyle- and Mr-R |
| 22:00.59 | jim_p | what is the IMQ? |
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| 22:01.02 | Nyle- | wasn't much help, but yw |
| 22:01.03 | Nyle- | ;) |
| 22:01.12 | Nyle- | time to go home |
| 22:01.14 | Seamus | chops: how do I make it do less checking? It seems to hang up on files without attachments. |
| 22:01.19 | sefira | i tried version 2.6.21 and 24 |
| 22:01.20 | Nuxis | :-) well prob I didn't messed with unstable repos etc.. |
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| 22:01.33 | Mr-R | Nuxis: happy gaming... :) |
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| 22:02.03 | chops | Seamus: It's possible that a bug is making it consume more CPU than it should. I ran a pretty heavily-trafficked postfix server with amavis+clamav without much difficulty. How many messages do you generally get per second? |
| 22:02.15 | hesco | I'm trying to remember the name of a cli web spider, it was httrack or something like like. Anyone know what it is I'm looking for, please? |
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| 22:02.31 | chops | hesco: htdig maybe |
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| 22:02.46 | Seamus | chops: No more than 1. |
| 22:02.49 | JarekMk | hi |
| 22:02.51 | chops | hesco: htcheck |
| 22:03.16 | JarekMk | I'm looking driver for Lexmark X3530, can anyone help me, please? :) |
| 22:03.25 | chops | Seamus: It shouldn't take a full second for a message without an attachment. Can you try straceing the offending process and/or check the logs for why it might be taking so long? |
| 22:03.44 | Seamus | chops: this is a rather small ISP, but we get enough messages for it to seriously screw things up |
| 22:03.58 | cizra | JarekMk: Check the Linux printing database |
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| 22:04.12 | Seamus | chops: I'll look in the logs, I don't think I found anything the last time I looked |
| 22:04.38 | Seamus | chops: any idea where it would be logging to? |
| 22:04.39 | Nuxis | Mr-R: tnx :) |
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| 22:05.05 | Seamus | I see clamav logs. |
| 22:05.13 | hesco | chops: thanks. found it with apt-cache search |
| 22:05.14 | chops | Seamus: /var/log/daemon.log? /var/log/amavis? You can always do ls -l /proc/???/fd and find the logfile that way if it's not using syslogd |
| 22:05.17 | chops | hesco: np |
| 22:05.28 | hesco | httrack - Copy websites to your computer (Offline browser) |
| 22:05.50 | hesco | I was confused because which was not finding it. |
| 22:06.00 | hesco | Apparently I haven't used it recently. |
| 22:06.16 | JarekMk | cizra: thanks but there's no driver there |
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| 22:06.50 | hesco | JarekMk: the lexmark site has some cups drivers, but not all of them |
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| 22:07.15 | hesco | I usually advise clients that lexmarx tends to be e-waste new out of the box. |
| 22:07.51 | Seamus | chops: looks like it's sending some output to mail.log |
| 22:07.56 | JarekMk | hesco: yes, but I can't find it ;/ |
| 22:08.03 | chops | Seamus: Cool. You can also turn up the log level. |
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| 22:08.19 | JarekMk | my parents bought me this sheet on christmas... |
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| 22:08.54 | JarekMk | and lexmark get driver only for windows and mac... |
| 22:09.06 | Jester45 | could somone help with connecting to my wireless network? i have the card working (i can scan all the networks) |
| 22:09.16 | \amethyst | hesco: I'm quite happy with my 4039, but their quality seems to have gone down since then :) |
| 22:09.31 | \amethyst | hesco: and the 4039 was around before they split with IBM |
| 22:09.36 | \amethyst | s/with/from/ |
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| 22:09.47 | Jester45 | but i dont know what to do now i have tried iwconfig wlan0 essid but i cant tell if its working or not |
| 22:09.57 | Seamus | chops: I'm not seeing any errors in here, just a bunch of messages that passed. |
| 22:10.27 | cizra | Jester45: iwconfig wlan0 will show you which ESSID it has currently. |
| 22:10.40 | cizra | Jester45: The next thing would be running a dhcp client or setting up IP. |
| 22:10.50 | Jester45 | it says off/any |
| 22:10.58 | cizra | Then you need to set it, I guess |
| 22:11.06 | Jester45 | my network doesnt have wep/wpa right now |
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| 22:11.26 | Jester45 | i tried it doesnt do anythg |
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| 22:12.07 | Seamus | chops: according to the log it's using an internal clam scanner and a secondary called clamscan, would this have anything to do with it? |
| 22:12.08 | cizra | What was the exact command? You can substitute some crap for ESSID, if you want privacy |
| 22:12.24 | chops | Seamus: It could easily, yes |
| 22:12.28 | Jester45 | iwconfig wlan0 essid FETTER |
| 22:12.37 | chops | Seamus: If you strace it or turn up the log level, you might start seeing more of what's going on |
| 22:12.39 | cizra | Hm. I don't know then. |
| 22:13.08 | cizra | Jester45: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 22:13.10 | Jester45 | should i ifup or ifdown before i try to set it |
| 22:13.30 | cizra | Do this ^ before trying to set essid. Maybe it helps. |
| 22:14.08 | Jester45 | oo |
| 22:14.17 | Jester45 | the essid is shoing now |
| 22:14.24 | Jester45 | now i will try dhcp |
| 22:14.50 | Jester45 | sweet it got an ip |
| 22:15.27 | cizra | Try pinging next. |
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| 22:15.51 | Jester45 | thanks cizra but one more question how can i share this connection out so on my other wired computers can access the internet from it |
| 22:16.01 | cizra | Read up on NAT |
| 22:16.25 | cizra | Also called routing or masquerade or something. |
| 22:16.49 | Jester45 | so you dont know or just getting me to learn about it |
| 22:17.19 | cizra | The latter. |
| 22:17.35 | Jester45 | k |
| 22:17.55 | cizra | It's not so trivial, actually. You'll need to get a script that does things for you, or get some pretty deep understanding on things. |
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| 22:18.03 | Tramp | !ipmasq |
| 22:18.03 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 22:18.04 | cizra | Jester45: Google for "gentoo home router" or something. |
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| 22:21.05 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 22:21.05 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 22:21.18 | valdyn | Jester45: ^^ |
| 22:21.56 | Jester45 | i got http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml#doc_chap5 and it looks simple so far |
| 22:22.00 | Jester45 | but i will look |
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| 22:26.55 | cosmodad | I'm in need of adding a switch to the nfs-utils package, so I apt-get'ed the source package, adjusted the rules file and ran pbuilder on the .dsc file. |
| 22:26.56 | cosmodad | The result, however, does not seem to include the changes, e.g. modifications to the version made with dch aren't reflected by the final .deb filename. What did I do wrong? |
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| 22:29.10 | Seamus | chops: log level 5 doesn't seem to be helping much. |
| 22:29.28 | chops | Seamus: strace? |
| 22:30.02 | chops | Seamus: You can also try disabling both of the clamav-related processing steps, making sure that that makes it pass messages quickly, and then reenabling them one at a time |
| 22:30.11 | chops | And then proceed to debug whichever one turns out to be slow :-) |
| 22:30.24 | lukaszg | hi all. I've installed ndiswrapper and it behaves a bit strange. I've sucessfully connected to WPA network but: 1. after modprobing new wlan0 interface is present 2. network manager cant see any wireless networks. 3. I have to run wpa_supplicant (it can not connect to network, it stops at some moment) 4. i have to kill wpa_supplicant, now network manager can connect. |
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| 22:31.21 | Seamus | chops: it seems to get held up at "CALLING SA check" |
| 22:31.29 | Seamus | do you know what that is? |
| 22:31.33 | chops | Seamus: SA... spamassassin? |
| 22:31.50 | Seamus | ohhh. SA is run through amavis? |
| 22:31.54 | chops | Seamus: It can be. |
| 22:32.26 | Seamus | shit, I didn't even know we were running spamassassin. I hate managing servers I don't setup myself. |
| 22:32.49 | chops | Seamus: It's an inevitable fact of life sometimes :-) |
| 22:33.34 | Saar | i was curious if anyone knows how to set up ipsec (using setkey command) to use a second IP, on interface eth0:0 for example. I did configure the eth0:0 and I can ping it. Also the setkey config file appears correct. Is there some special routing need to have traffic to and from the ipsec tunnel to use th0:0? |
| 22:33.47 | chops | Seamus: Look at this way: You'll have a chance to show your employer how much better a job you're doing than your hapless predecessor :-) |
| 22:34.33 | Saar | does the second ip of eth0:0 have to be in the same network as eth0? |
| 22:34.58 | Seamus | chops: yeah I'm just not sure how I'm going to speed this up any, they need spamassassin. |
| 22:35.01 | chops | Saar: No |
| 22:35.03 | Seamus | the thing is, we're also running pyzor |
| 22:35.08 | Seamus | so wtf is going on here? |
| 22:35.17 | chops | Seamus: You can look at the tests spamassassin is doing, maybe disable some of the slower ones |
| 22:35.26 | chops | Seamus: Is pyzor another spam filter? |
| 22:35.38 | Seamus | pyzor seems to also run spamassassin, lol |
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| 22:35.50 | chops | Seamus: That could present performance problems, yes... |
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| 22:36.33 | chops | Seamus: Especially with grotty-to-set-up things like spam/virus filtering, I find a lot of admins have a "throw it all at the wall, once something sticks never look back" approach that could easily lead to that configuration :-) |
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| 22:38.09 | Seamus | chops: Yeah no kidding. It probably doesn't help that he's a gentoo user, hehe |
| 22:38.26 | chops | Seamus: I maintained a gentoo server once |
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| 22:39.06 | chops | Seamus: They asked my boss what kind of Linux he wanted. He said Debian. They said, "is gentoo okay?" He said, "As long as it's Debian, that's fine." |
| 22:39.18 | chops | Seamus: He's a good guy. It's not his fault. :-) |
| 22:39.19 | Seamus | chops: he actually switched to debian because the gentoo server was difficult to maintain |
| 22:39.25 | Seamus | hahaha, nice |
| 22:39.27 | chops | Seamus: Imagine that |
| 22:40.04 | chops | Seamus: I remember discovering that security updates were basically impossible on an old system (just as in Debian sid) |
| 22:40.11 | chops | Seamus: That was a sad day |
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| 22:42.56 | Saar | we use solely debian for linux servers and got rid of the last few redhat servers about 6 months ago |
| 22:43.24 | Saar | nothing beats debian for ease of maintenance |
| 22:44.05 | chops | Saar: Now if only the iSCSI implementation worked without crashing the server... :-) |
| 22:44.19 | Saar | deatils... ;-) |
| 22:44.23 | Saar | details |
| 22:44.59 | chops | Saar: I have to say I agree, though. I tried to use RHEL after years of Debian, and it was a pretty eye-opening experience. |
| 22:45.45 | Saar | in what way? |
| 22:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saar: hehe... as you just demonstrated, details matter :) |
| 22:45.51 | chops | Saar: It's okay. My experience with Debian on new hardware is generally that you need to use a backported kernel when you buy the hardware, and then the _next_ Debian release will support your hardware out-of-the-box |
| 22:46.13 | Saar | I started out with redhat as my first x86 linux install, redhat5, just cause i could buy the cd in a bookstore |
| 22:46.24 | Saar | CutMeOwnThroat: ack ;-) |
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| 22:47.09 | chops | Saar: It felt like they didn't care if my life was difficult. The firewall setup tool had a booby trap that locked me out of the server. The package management tools told me the "Red Hat Network" was down for maintenance and to try again later. SELinux required constant hand-holding and soothing before it would let me get my work done. |
| 22:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: so what did your RHEL experience open your eyes for? |
| 22:47.18 | Saar | chops: hm I didn't notice that with servers, since they use more standard hardware, but some dell desktops sometimes have unrecognised ethernet |
| 22:47.31 | chops | Saar: Maybe that's the problem is that I'm buying Dell hardware. |
| 22:47.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 22:47.51 | Saar | chops: yeah i noticed similar things with rh |
| 22:48.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they got yum now for managing rpm dependencies, don't they? |
| 22:48.40 | Saar | chops: well, adding a netgear ethernet fioxed that, after final install often the kernel does recognise the onboard ethernet |
| 22:48.49 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: The PHP mailparse extensions had a 64-bit portability bug that had been known for a year or so. htdig crashed randomly, until I recompiled it after installing some random compat C++ library that wasn't a build depedency, at which point the _index generation_ started crashing but the searching worked okay. |
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| 22:49.09 | mqwerty | chroot on sftp login seems not to work properly with a mac sftp client |
| 22:49.13 | Saar | ah yes, sometimes the sata wouldn't work well unless i set it to legacy mode in bios |
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| 22:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it work work anywhat close to as well as apt does? |
| 22:49.56 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: It was just sort of generally a distressing experience. There wasn't any moment when I said, "well, thank god they did _that_, that makes my life easier!" and a lot where I had to roll up my sleeves for one reason or another. |
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| 22:50.38 | Saar | i never quite got the hangt of rpm, apt/dpkg and such are much more intuitive |
| 22:50.59 | chops | Saar: I liked urpmi a lot when I first encountered it in Mandrake way back when |
| 22:50.59 | Saar | probably cause rpm annoyed me so i ddn't want to bother |
| 22:51.30 | Saar | i dont know urpmi but i never used mandrake |
| 22:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: heh, sounds nice.... - perhaps it was just because you were not so familiar with it, though... I think Debian can become pretty tough if you "work/fight against it" because you expect doing things like in a different distro... |
| 22:51.51 | Saar | i went from redhat to linux from scratch, then debian after a few years |
| 22:53.27 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: Could be, yeah. I still hate make-kpkg a little. I try not to but I do. |
| 22:53.29 | cosmodad | I'm in need of adding a switch to the nfs server packages, so I apt-get'ed the source package, adjusted the rules file and ran pbuilder on the .dsc file. |
| 22:53.31 | cosmodad | The result, however, does not seem to include the changes, e.g. modifications to the version made with dch aren't reflected by the final .deb filename. What did I do wrong? |
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| 22:54.03 | chops | cosmodad: Tried dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 22:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: I'm with you there :) Generally now I try to stick with the distributed kernels... asking myself do I *really* need that feature :) |
| 22:54.21 | cosmodad | chops: I used pbuilder because I didn't want to install all the build-deps. |
| 22:54.32 | chops | cosmodad: (Not that I know that pbuilder won't work; I've just done what you described using dpkg-buildpackage any number of times and it's always worked for me.) |
| 22:54.40 | mqwerty | is chroot_local_user=YES all i need to do to keep local users who ftp in from accessing dirs outside their own home? |
| 22:54.42 | chops | cosmodad: 'apt-get build-dep foo' too time-consuming? :-) |
| 22:55.08 | cosmodad | chops: no, it just clutters my system with packages I won't need afterwards. |
| 22:55.24 | cosmodad | chops: apart from having a clean build environment, that's just what pbuilder is helpful with. |
| 22:55.36 | chops | cosmodad: nod |
| 22:55.41 | chops | ?layers |
| 22:55.44 | chops | Whoops, sorry |
| 22:56.29 | vlt | Hello. Is there an "inverse option" in rsync? I have dir A/ and Copy_of_A/. I did some changes to A/ and now only want to keep the different files in the copy. Any idea? |
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| 22:57.18 | Miesco | Okay I have a DVD image, but its .img, what does this mean? |
| 22:57.42 | vlt | Miesco: Looks like the bit by bit image of the DVD |
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| 22:58.32 | Miesco | vlt: Could it be a macosx image? |
| 22:58.46 | vlt | Miesco: It could be anything. |
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| 22:59.07 | Miesco | vlt: How do I open it? |
| 22:59.15 | vlt | Miesco: Open? |
| 22:59.28 | chemist_ | i have 2 mic's on my box, at the moment they both think they are the default gateway and my box is extremely confused, how can I set one to default? |
| 22:59.30 | vlt | Miesco: If there's a file system on it you can mount it |
| 22:59.47 | Miesco | Okay |
| 22:59.53 | kjs | How do i display the size / amount of free space left in LG with LVM ? |
| 23:00.09 | chops | chemist_: Edit /etc/network/interfaces, only define one interface with a 'gateway' line |
| 23:00.15 | ingoo | also, when I tried going ahead and burning the iso (skipping the md5sum), 'cdrecord -v speed=XX dev=/dev/cdrom0 -data fluxbuntu.iso' gave me 'wodim: Bad Option: speed=XX' |
| 23:00.23 | vlt | Miesco: `mount -o loop dvd.img /mnt/some/mountpoint` |
| 23:00.38 | kjs | vgdisplay |
| 23:00.39 | kjs | ahh |
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| 23:02.46 | Miesco | vlt: I get audio_ts and video_ts |
| 23:03.00 | Miesco | vlt: Could I treat it as a iso? |
| 23:03.16 | chemist_ | chops: this my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.ca/913296 |
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| 23:03.34 | chops | chemist_: Ah |
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| 23:04.03 | vlt | Miesco: If you could mount it then it's an ISO. |
| 23:04.12 | chops | chemist_: You could try defining metrics for both interfaces so that the gateway you generally want is always used... |
| 23:04.17 | vlt | Miesco: You can check with `mount`. |
| 23:04.25 | Miesco | vlt: So I could changes itx extention to .iso? |
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| 23:04.28 | chops | chemist_: You could try switching one of them to a static IP :-) |
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| 23:04.43 | chops | chemist_: I'm not sure how to have a DHCP interface overridden not to add a gateway route |
| 23:04.50 | Miesco | vlt: udf |
| 23:04.53 | vlt | Miesco: You can change anything to anything. Extensions and names mean nothing. |
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| 23:05.17 | Miesco | vlt: udf mean its an iso? |
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| 23:07.40 | vlt | Miesco: Why is it important how you name it? |
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| 23:07.43 | Miesco | vlt: Not, just wondering if I burn it to the disk if Rambo will play |
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| 23:09.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Miesco: sure... but... this may sound stupid... but do not burn the iso-file onto a disk... |
| 23:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 23:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
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| 23:16.37 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
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| 23:16.53 | rysiek|pl | whoa... |
| 23:16.58 | rysiek|pl | was it something I said? |
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| 23:20.13 | Jester45 | cizra, i restarted the machine and now its not taking the essid agin i tried up/down and its not helping |
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| 23:20.14 | Jester45 | lsmod |
| 23:20.14 | Jester45 | oops |
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| 23:20.16 | rysiek|pl | guys, where/how can I get a newer bzr on my debian 4.0 server? |
| 23:20.21 | rysiek|pl | some backports or something? |
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| 23:21.17 | AwesomeGuy | irssi is cool |
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| 23:21.46 | proc | captain planet is cool as well |
| 23:21.54 | ks | help: http://pastebin.ca/913317 |
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| 23:24.10 | AwesomeGuy | I'm trying to run this perl thing but it's saying I don't have DBI.pm O.o |
| 23:24.15 | AwesomeGuy | brb |
| 23:24.17 | AwesomeGuy | exit |
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| 23:24.49 | mqwerty | chroot_local_user=YES but a mac ftp client fugu can browse anywhere in the fs - any idea whats wrong |
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| 23:27.14 | Alexismoy | Is there someone here who have problems with the tag of headers of amavisd-new on debian etch? |
| 23:28.04 | Nyle | !ping |
| 23:28.04 | dpkg | pong |
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| 23:28.20 | Hoxzer | !ping |
| 23:28.21 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:28.21 | rahul | !ding |
| 23:28.22 | dpkg | i heard ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/, or dong |
| 23:28.32 | dkr | !volatile |
| 23:28.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
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| 23:29.47 | dkr | Alexismoy: are you using that? ^^^ |
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| 23:29.59 | Alexismoy | yes I am |
| 23:30.25 | dkr | I don't have anything else to offer since I use mimedefang :) |
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| 23:30.29 | Nyle | rahul: gandoo |
| 23:30.30 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:30.32 | Phil4 | anyone know what's wrong with this proftpd package? http://pastebin.ca/912803 |
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| 23:31.57 | streuner | Phil4: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:31.58 | Nyle | Phil4: check the bts |
| 23:32.07 | Phil4 | Nyle, bts? |
| 23:32.19 | Nyle | !bts |
| 23:32.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 23:32.21 | Supaplex | !btssmite Phil4 |
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| 23:32.29 | Phil4 | oh, right |
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| 23:32.43 | Nyle | ping |
| 23:32.53 | Supaplex | !pong |
| 23:32.53 | dpkg | it has been said that pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 23:33.15 | koolhead17 | http://pastebin.ca/913328 <---- does formattin is the only solution? |
| 23:33.15 | streuner | Phil4: are you running unstable on that server? |
| 23:33.29 | Phil4 | streuner, testing |
| 23:33.55 | streuner | why? Who want testing on a server? |
| 23:34.02 | Nyle | streuner: he does. |
| 23:34.03 | Phil4 | me |
| 23:34.03 | Phil4 | lol |
| 23:34.08 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:34.14 | Phil4 | can't see anything on the bts about this particular problem |
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| 23:34.29 | Nyle | koolhead17: what did you do? |
| 23:34.55 | koolhead17 | Nyle: tried installing quanta one day |
| 23:34.56 | koolhead17 | :( |
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| 23:35.17 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.26 | rysiek|pl | koolhead17: df -h |
| 23:35.32 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.40 | Nyle | koolhead17: you could try to read a bit ;) |
| 23:35.44 | Supaplex | imo you're on your own if you want to use testing for a server. <kp> and very selective <backports> is okay, but lenny === testing != stable is merly truth in advertising |
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| 23:35.52 | FelipeSouza | I'm using debian sid, what's the program that automatically mounts my disk when i put a cd-rom into it? (gnome-volume-manager?) |
| 23:36.01 | Nyle | FelipeSouza: pmount? |
| 23:36.05 | Supaplex | you're better off with a chroot install for most testing purposes on a server |
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| 23:36.08 | Nyle | !info pmount |
| 23:36.12 | dpkg | pmount: (mount removable devices as normal user), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.17-2 (sid), Packaged size: 98 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
| 23:36.27 | Nyle | I wonder, optical isn't considered removable is it? |
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| 23:36.40 | Nyle | you can remove the media, but not the drive |
| 23:36.43 | koolhead17 | Nyle: agree |
| 23:36.44 | Nyle | terminology confuzzulement |
| 23:36.55 | koolhead17 | i will do that before reinstallation |
| 23:36.56 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 23:37.07 | Nyle | koolhead17: though here is something you can try |
| 23:37.20 | koolhead17 | Nyle: tel me |
| 23:37.22 | Nyle | koolhead17: apt-get autoclean; apt-get clean w/e |
| 23:37.26 | Nyle | koolhead17: install deborphan |
| 23:37.37 | FelipeSouza | Nyle: ok, thx |
| 23:37.38 | Nyle | koolhead17: apt-get --purge remove (all the packages you don't want) |
| 23:37.46 | Nyle | koolhead17: apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` |
| 23:37.53 | Nyle | do that a few times until all shit is removed |
| 23:37.56 | koolhead17 | trying right away |
| 23:37.57 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 23:37.57 | Nyle | then apt-get clean |
| 23:38.01 | Nyle | and then try to install quanta again |
| 23:38.04 | Supaplex | kiss your configs goooooodbye with --purge :) |
| 23:38.07 | Nyle | you will have to redown the packages |
| 23:38.13 | Nyle | Supaplex: :D |
| 23:38.39 | Nyle | I have all my important confs backed up |
| 23:38.51 | Nyle | I assume people do the same, and if they don't they should |
| 23:38.58 | Nyle | but you are right, my mistake |
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| 23:39.05 | Nyle | koolhead17: do not use --purge |
| 23:39.14 | Nyle | if you don't want to. |
| 23:39.32 | Nyle | koolhead17: you can get a bigger hdd |
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| 23:40.11 | koolhead17 | Nyle: cleaned everything |
| 23:40.15 | AwesomeGuy | when i turn on debian it sais soemthing about a bittorrent tracker O.o |
| 23:40.18 | AwesomeGuy | whatst his about |
| 23:40.25 | AwesomeGuy | i dont have bittorrent on debian |
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| 23:41.47 | rysiek|pl | guys, is there a way to upgrade just a single. selected packet from the backports repo? |
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| 23:42.12 | streuner | read the instructions on the website carefully |
| 23:42.14 | streuner | again |
| 23:42.42 | moparisthebest | I installed the php5 package, and I have a /etc/php5 and /etc/php5.0 folder, which one is it using? |
| 23:42.45 | rysiek|pl | pinning. got it |
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| 23:44.07 | koolhead17 | Nyle: unable to install deborphan |
| 23:44.08 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 23:44.40 | koolhead17 | moparisthebest: php5 |
| 23:44.47 | rysiek|pl | streuner: hmm... nope. didn't get it. I did pinning as on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 23:44.53 | streuner | of course not, there is no space on that device :-) |
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| 23:45.08 | rysiek|pl | streuner: (instead of mutt I did bzrtools) |
| 23:45.18 | moparisthebest | thanks koolhead17 |
| 23:45.19 | koolhead17 | streuner: ne optoion? |
| 23:45.39 | rysiek|pl | streuner: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade do *not* try to upgrade that package, though |
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| 23:45.40 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 23:45.50 | solemnwarning | How can I get a samba.schema for slapd under etch? |
| 23:46.02 | solemnwarning | packages.debian.org doesn't show any packages that contain it |
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| 23:46.51 | rysiek|pl | oh. doesn't seem to be any such package in backports |
| 23:46.54 | rysiek|pl | that's odd |
| 23:46.55 | abrotman | solemnwarning: google? |
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| 23:47.16 | eshaase | i have some files that are magically disapperaing on my system, is there a way to track the removal of files on a system? |
| 23:47.37 | koolhead17 | Nyle: any other trick? |
| 23:48.20 | Nyle | nope |
| 23:48.29 | Nyle | get a bigger disk |
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| 23:48.46 | abrotman | koolhead17: did you clean up old logs ? |
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| 23:49.35 | Jester45 | or lookin /tmp |
| 23:49.38 | Nyle | ahh good idea |
| 23:49.46 | Nyle | tmp and logs too |
| 23:49.52 | abrotman | koolhead17: dpkg -l linux-image* .. how many kernels do you have installed ? |
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| 23:50.15 | Jester45 | o ya kernels are big |
| 23:50.41 | koolhead17 | 3 |
| 23:50.52 | koolhead17 | :-P |
| 23:51.01 | abrotman | koolhead17: clean up old logs first |
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| 23:51.22 | koolhead17 | abrotman: i have saperate space for /var |
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| 23:51.26 | koolhead17 | & /tmp |
| 23:51.30 | abrotman | koolhead17: then in a pastebin .. paste the output of `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* && uname -a` |
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| 23:53.09 | vlt | Hello. Is there an "inverse option" in rsync? I have dir A/ and Copy_of_A/. I did some changes to A/ and now only want to keep the different files in the copy. Any idea? |
| 23:53.39 | koolhead17 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/913348 |
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| 23:53.50 | Nyle | eshaase: that happened to me with ntfs3g |
| 23:54.00 | Nyle | eshaase: shit was randomly gone |
| 23:54.16 | Nyle | ever since I stopped using it and only ntfro, no problems *after having restored from backup* |
| 23:54.21 | moparisthebest | I installed php5, and it works with apache2, but where is the standalone php executable? :S |
| 23:54.22 | Nyle | why linux would do that to you, I have no idea |
| 23:54.23 | abrotman | koolhead17: your kernel is out of date .. but `aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 && aptitude install deborphan` |
| 23:54.36 | abrotman | moparisthebest: php5-cgi |
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| 23:55.21 | Nyle | btw, I have a general question regarding debian |
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| 23:55.24 | moparisthebest | still no php abrotman :/ |
| 23:55.34 | abrotman | moparisthebest: did you install php5-cgi ? |
| 23:55.39 | moparisthebest | yes |
| 23:55.44 | Nyle | I know we dont' have a live cd, but... is it because no one has bothered to make one, or because debian is against it? |
| 23:55.47 | Nyle | what gives? |
| 23:55.54 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 23:55.55 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 23:55.59 | Nyle | (not counting unofficial livd cds of debian) |
| 23:56.04 | abrotman | moparisthebest: there's also php5-cli |
| 23:56.14 | Nyle | abrotman: thats not debian |
| 23:56.23 | abrotman | don't tell them that |
| 23:56.29 | Nyle | lol |
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| 23:56.52 | moparisthebest | that was the one abrotman, thanks :) |
| 23:57.05 | abrotman | moparisthebest: php5-cgi installs a /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 23:57.15 | moparisthebest | oh, alright |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | koolhead17: any luck ? |
| 23:57.25 | koolhead17 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/913352 |
| 23:57.26 | moparisthebest | wonder what the difference is |
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| 23:58.07 | abrotman | koolhead17: dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:58.18 | Nyle | I think my next project is to make a hpoj document server with etch |
| 23:58.33 | Nyle | complete with netfax and email support |
| 23:58.48 | Nyle | I recently came across an Axis 70u document server unit |
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| 23:59.01 | Nyle | and I wish to emulate its capabilities on debian, but I'm not sure where to begin |
| 23:59.07 | Nyle | (google wasn't much help in this regard) |
| 23:59.27 | Nyle | and I'm fairly stumped trying to find keywords or phrases to search for |
| 23:59.39 | koolhead17 | abrotman: removed |
| 23:59.40 | koolhead17 | :P |
| 23:59.54 | abrotman | koolhead17: do you have some free space now ? |
