| 00:00.12 | koolhead17 | /dev/hdc1 259M 163M 83M 67% / |
| 00:00.18 | koolhead17 | abrotman: sexy |
| 00:00.21 | Nyle | what did you do? |
| 00:00.23 | abrotman | you only gave / 163MB?! |
| 00:00.34 | Nyle | koolhead17: yes we all love tig bittied women |
| 00:00.36 | abrotman | koolhead17: you have a separate /usr/ ? |
| 00:00.38 | Nyle | :D |
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| 00:00.45 | koolhead17 | abhmm |
| 00:00.49 | koolhead17 | abrotman: |
| 00:00.51 | koolhead17 | yes |
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| 00:01.05 | koolhead17 | Nyle: hehe |
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| 00:01.28 | abrotman | koolhead17: did your install work now ? |
| 00:01.49 | koolhead17 | abrotman: i don`t wanna install it now |
| 00:01.50 | koolhead17 | :P |
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| 00:02.39 | abrotman | koolhead17: uh .. okay |
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| 00:02.48 | Nyle | so you did what? |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | koolhead17: please don't msg without permission |
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| 00:03.16 | koolhead17 | abrotman: sorry |
| 00:03.19 | Nyle | koolhead17: /topic |
| 00:03.22 | abrotman | koolhead17: you're going to have this proboem going forward |
| 00:03.47 | koolhead17 | Nyle: abrotman i will keep the thing in mind |
| 00:03.50 | abrotman | koolhead17: so you have a separate /home/ /usr/ and /var/ ? |
| 00:03.58 | koolhead17 | abrotman: yes |
| 00:04.05 | klhrevolution | nice |
| 00:04.15 | abrotman | koolhead17: then stuff in / then is /etc/ / and /boot/ .. mostly |
| 00:04.19 | abrotman | oh .. and /lib/ |
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| 00:04.29 | abrotman | oh wait .. /bin and /sbin .. jeez |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | koolhead17: just keep an eye on what is going where |
| 00:04.52 | koolhead17 | yeah tht is prob:( |
| 00:05.02 | koolhead17 | abrotman: yes |
| 00:05.17 | koolhead17 | i will write an article on it |
| 00:05.20 | Nyle | how does the debian installer calculate the size of the partitions in guided partitioning option? is it set to a fixed % of a total disk size? or... |
| 00:05.20 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 00:05.35 | abrotman | an article ? |
| 00:05.48 | koolhead17 | blog i mean |
| 00:05.55 | Nyle | I don't remember, maybe its in the install guide |
| 00:05.57 | koolhead17 | ;) |
| 00:06.17 | abrotman | koolhead17: so everyone can laugh at you? :) |
| 00:06.37 | abrotman | koolhead17: did you check to see what is in /root/ ? |
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| 00:07.54 | koolhead17 | abrotman: so you won`t find stupid like me here askin similar question |
| 00:07.55 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 00:08.03 | koolhead17 | again |
| 00:08.15 | abrotman | !pal CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
| 00:08.30 | koolhead17 | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
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| 00:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | koolhead17: actually... the amount of partitions I use has decreased all the time |
| 00:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: you forgot about /tmp, btw |
| 00:09.30 | huhlig | how can I get a raid array to assemble prior to its being mounted in fstab |
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| 00:09.43 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i would hope he'd already looked in there |
| 00:10.03 | koolhead17 | CutMeOwnThroat: i have saperate /tmp |
| 00:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: I just mean - that also clutters up a bit over time, although stuff gets removed |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | really .. a 163MB / .. |
| 00:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | koolhead17: I don't...I only got /home |
| 00:10.26 | S4nD3r | Menu items of KDE is all in gnome menu... .How solve it ? |
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| 00:11.06 | koolhead17 | abrotman: but honestly.i gave up thinkin to format my box |
| 00:11.07 | koolhead17 | :P |
| 00:11.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !software raid |
| 00:11.17 | dpkg | it has been said that software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
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| 00:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | huhlig: actually, I used this one: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html - I think both howtos should describe it in detail |
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| 00:13.04 | huhlig | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, I will look it over, my biggest problem seems to be fstab tries to mount it prior to mdadm assembling it |
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| 00:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | huhlig: you need your own initrd |
| 00:13.32 | Nyle | I went through the install guide, but I found no mention of how the install determines how big the partitions will be when using the guided partitioning option |
| 00:13.36 | Nyle | anyone have an idea? |
| 00:13.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | huhlig: then the raid kernel modules will be loaded in time... |
| 00:13.54 | Nyle | or is it the partitioner program used by the installer that actually determines that? |
| 00:13.59 | huhlig | CutMeOwnThroat, this isnt a boot raid |
| 00:14.01 | Nyle | partman I think is it? |
| 00:14.13 | abrotman | Nyle: you can set that yourself with preseeding |
| 00:14.37 | S4nD3r | How to remove KDE, id like to have just gnome |
| 00:14.39 | Nyle | if not preseeding, how does it do it? |
| 00:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | huhlig: that means? |
| 00:14.54 | huhlig | CutMeOwnThroat, its in knoppmyth |
| 00:14.59 | huhlig | its the data drive |
| 00:15.42 | Nyle | abrotman: so the install is preseeded? preconfigured? because it seems to make no sense to me. Disks are not all the same size obviously, so it must somehow determine how big to make each partition |
| 00:15.47 | abrotman | Nyle: #debian-boot oftc .. askt hem |
| 00:15.52 | opensrcguru | if physical security was not possible, what steps would one take to secure a machine from local/physical threats? |
| 00:15.53 | Tramp | !remove kde |
| 00:15.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 00:15.53 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:15.54 | abrotman | Nyle: you can preseed percentages |
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| 00:16.46 | Nyle | so the install is using a preseed configuration of % ? (only logical assumption, though I will ask debian-boot) |
| 00:17.10 | Nyle | bhoot |
| 00:17.11 | vlt | Hmmm, I got two Debian Etch servers with absolut identical /etc/ssh/sshd_config. When I connect `ssh -X server1` I get an empty $DISPLAY, while on server 2 it's "localhost:10.0". `xeyes` for example on server 1 doesn't work, on server 2 it does. Any idea what could be missing there? |
| 00:17.11 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:17.13 | abrotman | Nyle: that i don't know .. but you can feed it percentages for the autopartitioning |
| 00:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | huhlig: well... then perhaps initrd might be a bit overkill - still it would solve the problem. and wtf is knoppmyth |
| 00:17.31 | koolhead17 | you guys are great |
| 00:17.35 | huhlig | CutMeOwnThroat, mythtv in a simple installable format |
| 00:17.40 | Jester45 | opensrcguru, put a lock on it and zip tie stuff in so if they breack the lock they have a hardtime getting stuff from it... or build a brick wall |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | koolhead17: just don't tell anyone .. the secret would get out |
| 00:17.50 | dondelelcaro | vlt: you don't have xauth installed. Install xbase-clients; to get it |
| 00:18.03 | opensrcguru | no kidding |
| 00:18.14 | vlt | dondelelcaro: Aah, thank you, I'll try. |
| 00:18.24 | koolhead17 | abrotman: hehe.i will share it with n00bs for sure.so that they don`t repeat it:) |
| 00:18.26 | dondelelcaro | vlt: at least, that's the most likely cause. |
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| 00:18.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | opensrcguru: remove the harddisks and shred them into little pieces... - and without kidding: if physical security is not possible, there is no security - screwdriver wins |
| 00:18.34 | dondelelcaro | (there are other things that could be missing) |
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| 00:19.12 | dondelelcaro | pretty much the most you can do in the case of questionable physical security is encryption, but even then, see the lastest article by Seth Schoen |
| 00:19.22 | Nyle | koolhead17: just tell everyone how awesome and clean debian is |
| 00:19.35 | opensrcguru | all satire aside, theres got to be afew things one can do to at least make it difficult...... |
| 00:19.40 | Nyle | koolhead17: when its a good product, people come around, you don't need to beat it into their heads like aol cds or ubuntu |
| 00:19.44 | opensrcguru | cryptofs? |
| 00:19.48 | koolhead17 | Nyle: am mad about debian. |
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| 00:20.18 | koolhead17 | i simply love it |
| 00:20.20 | Nyle | koolhead17: though don't just SAY its awesome, tell em why ;) |
| 00:20.37 | koolhead17 | thanx to my mentor who got me addicted to debian |
| 00:20.53 | opensrcguru | Nyle: i personally just like the logo. |
| 00:21.05 | koolhead17 | Nyle: i have walked 1 km with cpu to get debian installed in 40 degree celcius |
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| 00:21.06 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 00:21.14 | vlt | dondelelcaro: YES! It works, thank you! |
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| 00:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | opensrcguru: I think dondelelcaro said it all... perhaps you can do something with encryption if you are prepared to type a password on every reboot... |
| 00:21.40 | opensrcguru | kinda what i figured |
| 00:21.43 | Nyle | might not be a bad idea |
| 00:21.59 | Jester45 | Nyle, dont beat on ubuntu its getting a lot of people to switch to linux once they get cozy with it more they move to better distros plus ubuntu (i think) is geared to computer noobs not servers |
| 00:22.01 | koolhead17 | it`s 1 km from metro station to my intenship place |
| 00:22.02 | koolhead17 | :) |
| 00:22.02 | opensrcguru | which isnt entirely bad.....all boxen have serial console access |
| 00:22.04 | Nyle | how much more cpu overhead does an encrypted FS take? |
| 00:22.11 | Nyle | can it make an old system lag? |
| 00:22.11 | opensrcguru | beats me |
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| 00:22.26 | Nyle | i know it would depend on disk i/o |
| 00:22.47 | Maulkin | Nyle: yes. |
| 00:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "how big is a forest" |
| 00:22.55 | opensrcguru | these boxen don't do much for I/O so i don't think they would be affected "too" much. |
| 00:22.58 | Nyle | but still.. how much .. because you are still encrypting a lot, especially if its huge files, unless I misunderstand fs encryption |
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| 00:23.04 | koolhead17 | Nyle: am from india & we have debian veterans here |
| 00:23.18 | koolhead17 | my mentor is one of them |
| 00:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | opensrcguru: what's the problem with pyhsical security? |
| 00:23.21 | Maulkin | Nyle: the answer is still 'yes' |
| 00:23.26 | quentusrex | if I have a 64 bit Intel processor, do I need the i386 cd or the amd64 cd? |
| 00:23.32 | opensrcguru | i dont trust my coworkers |
| 00:23.36 | opensrcguru | ha |
| 00:23.45 | Nyle | Maulkin: my question was... 'how much?' |
| 00:23.56 | Nyle | is there an average? |
| 00:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | quentusrex: depends what you want - take i386 if you have no real reason for amd64 |
| 00:23.59 | Maulkin | Nyle: my answer is 'yes' |
| 00:24.07 | Maulkin | Nyle: No, no average :) |
| 00:24.18 | Nyle | ahh ok |
| 00:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell quentusrex about amd64 |
| 00:24.41 | Nyle | just wanted to see if i understand you correctly, and now I do ;) |
| 00:24.50 | koolhead17 | :-D |
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| 00:25.00 | Maulkin | Nyle: That's like saying 'will it be noticeable if I add a roofbox to my car?' |
| 00:25.09 | Nyle | I realized that. |
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| 00:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | opensrcguru: well, put a big lock on? |
| 00:25.49 | huhlig | what package is tzconfig in |
| 00:25.56 | huhlig | for some reason its not installed |
| 00:26.13 | Maulkin | !find tzconfig |
| 00:26.13 | Nyle | so.. is there a minimum system requirement for running an ecrypted fs? |
| 00:26.19 | opensrcguru | CutMeOwnThroat: the whole idea is that i don't want them to know....... |
| 00:26.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tzconfig' (1): (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/tzconfig.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 00:26.28 | Maulkin | right.... |
| 00:26.37 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:26.41 | Nyle | wrong fucking question again |
| 00:26.42 | Nyle | hang on |
| 00:26.45 | huhlig | Maulkin, ? |
| 00:26.52 | Maulkin | huhlig: search packages.debian.org |
| 00:26.58 | Maulkin | huhlig: box at the mottom |
| 00:27.03 | Nyle | I can go try to google the system requirements for running an ecrypted fs |
| 00:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | opensrcguru: so you think they wouldn't figure if you encrypt your whole system and they try to break in? |
| 00:27.48 | opensrcguru | i should make every boot be a manual process with lvm and software raid. |
| 00:27.56 | opensrcguru | at least i'll know when the fuck up |
| 00:28.03 | opensrcguru | hehehe |
| 00:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | opensrcguru: just set a boot password then |
| 00:28.29 | opensrcguru | too easy |
| 00:28.36 | opensrcguru | grub? |
| 00:28.44 | Nyle | bios |
| 00:28.53 | opensrcguru | hrmmm |
| 00:28.57 | opensrcguru | damn it. |
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| 00:29.07 | unlink | why does openoffice now have an extra hundred megs of deps? |
| 00:29.08 | Nyle | unless they have tools and can open the case and short the jumper/take the battery out |
| 00:29.17 | opensrcguru | sometimes i just cant see the forrest through the trees |
| 00:29.21 | Nyle | unless they will do that, you can protect a system with bios pw and it will be fine |
| 00:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if they can't open the case, a grub/lilo password does it as well |
| 00:29.47 | Nyle | sure |
| 00:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually every bootup should at least have a password for passing kernel options |
| 00:30.13 | Nyle | agreed |
| 00:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux init=/bin/bash |
| 00:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
| 00:30.30 | opensrcguru | CutMeOwnThroat: all of my prod systems do..... |
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| 00:30.39 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought you had ignored me |
| 00:30.47 | purpleposeidon | CutMeOwnThroat: How much for a sausage? |
| 00:31.02 | Nyle | "daddy would you like some sausages" |
| 00:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: trying... trying... :) |
| 00:31.11 | opensrcguru | ! ignored, its just a little toooo easy to bypass the average linux admin. |
| 00:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | purpleposeidon: only $1.99 and that's cutting me own nose off |
| 00:31.26 | Nyle | you know |
| 00:31.36 | Nyle | my skills are probably shitty and i don't know much |
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| 00:31.46 | Nyle | but i never thought i'd be a professional linux sysadmin |
| 00:31.48 | Nyle | its pretty cool man |
| 00:32.01 | blazer11 | trying to configure debian to authenticate against AD with 2003 server, i get schannel error, even after setting client schannel = no in smb.conf, any ideas? |
| 00:32.15 | Nyle | blazer11: #samba |
| 00:32.22 | Nyle | much better luck there |
| 00:32.25 | Nyle | or ##windows |
| 00:32.30 | blazer11 | thanks |
| 00:33.12 | Nyle | unless you need help with the debian packages of samba |
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| 00:33.25 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: don't try too hard buddy ;) I'm kinda useful at times |
| 00:33.54 | amphi | Nyle: you're a system eliminator? |
| 00:34.01 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 00:34.09 | amphi | Nyle: congrats - as of when? |
| 00:34.17 | Nyle | hoping to convince my boss to run a debian server instead of 2003 and rhel |
| 00:34.23 | Nyle | amphi: this week actually |
| 00:34.30 | unlink | why does openoffice depend on this whole java stack now? |
| 00:34.31 | amphi | excellent |
| 00:34.57 | Nyle | I applied two weeks ago, got an interview last week, saw about 20 people there, got the call on friday, started monday this week |
| 00:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: well... you're kinda annoying a lot of the other times... I'm talking to myself too much in here myself... but that's nothing compared to your ramblings... |
| 00:35.11 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: you have no idea, I even annoy my own self sometimes |
| 00:35.15 | Nyle | I just talk too fucking much man |
| 00:35.23 | Nyle | I try not to be annoying but I can't help being me |
| 00:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: try /ignore Nyle :) |
| 00:35.29 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 00:35.45 | Nyle | I'm just naturally a nuisance ;) |
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| 00:35.54 | Nyle | (well not really) |
| 00:36.00 | Nyle | amphi: pin |
| 00:36.06 | amphi | Nyle: what are your duties? apart from irc |
| 00:36.09 | amphi | pon |
| 00:36.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh.. I know another guy... you two should go together like a house on fire... |
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| 00:37.05 | Nyle | amphi: I found that compiz-fusion on debian is very very slow, as reported by many users, and from personal experience, I still say that on ubuntu it was running very smoothly. There could be a variety of reasons why, but thats what I experienced. (same fglrx version) |
| 00:37.20 | Nyle | amphi: and to my knowledge, same version of X too |
| 00:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi: heh - los on te line? |
| 00:37.48 | Nyle | amphi: developing, deployment of networks, hw, sw, servers, clients, just whatever |
| 00:37.55 | Nyle | amphi: I am through with residential |
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| 00:38.28 | amphi | Nyle: c-f works fine here on debian, both on old radeon and intel |
| 00:38.33 | Nyle | amphi: printers, routers, switches, admin work etc. etc. |
| 00:38.48 | Nyle | amphi: /me on amd64 lenny |
| 00:38.52 | amphi | Nyle: fglrx is probably to blame, especially if it's the one that 'supports' aiglx |
| 00:38.59 | Nyle | never tried 32bit debian in a long time |
| 00:39.05 | Nyle | since sarge i'd say |
| 00:39.08 | amphi | Nyle: fine here on amd64 |
| 00:39.13 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:39.15 | Nyle | no lag? |
| 00:39.18 | amphi | Nyle: amd64/intel |
| 00:39.21 | amphi | nope |
| 00:39.30 | amphi | from git |
| 00:39.33 | Nyle | amd64/x1900/fglrx latest |
| 00:39.40 | Nyle | me too, from git |
| 00:39.51 | Nyle | strange, you are on sid, or lenny? |
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| 00:40.40 | Nyle | amphi: well, the fglrx i used on kubuntu also is the one that supports aiglx, same driver version, latest on ati.amd.com |
| 00:40.59 | Nyle | amphi: so i'm trying to nail down the cause of my lag here when I use it |
| 00:41.10 | Nyle | amphi: actually, it happens with kde software shadow/transparency too |
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| 00:41.19 | Nyle | though I have dri enabled, and composite on |
| 00:41.24 | Nyle | glx is loaded |
| 00:41.36 | amphi | just blame fglrx, everyone does ;) |
| 00:41.39 | blazer11 | Nyle i think everyone is asleep in #samba :( |
| 00:41.48 | opensrcguru | Nyle: usually, when i have lag, i blame the pot |
| 00:41.54 | Nyle | blazer11: well buddy you can ask here as many times as you want :) |
| 00:42.05 | blazer11 | heehee |
| 00:42.05 | amphi | Nyle: fglrx/aiglx is known to be bloody slow - ask in #c-f |
| 00:42.13 | Nyle | blazer11: though there is no gaurantee you will find many samba guys |
| 00:42.44 | Nyle | amphi: yes i know, i've talked to them, but fglrx/aiglx is 100% no lag and super fast on kubuntu |
| 00:43.02 | Nyle | so where lies the problem? |
| 00:43.06 | amphi | Nyle: lies! lies! |
| 00:43.07 | Nyle | trying to figure that out for weeks |
| 00:43.15 | Nyle | amphi: I have no reason to lie damit |
| 00:43.30 | amphi | Nyle: I joke - I have no idea, I use no DEs |
| 00:43.44 | blazer11 | LOL |
| 00:43.48 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:43.53 | amphi | Nyle: did you try c-f standalone on both? |
| 00:43.59 | Nyle | amphi: I belive... |
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| 00:44.26 | Nyle | that I forgot what I was going to say |
| 00:44.28 | Nyle | damn. |
| 00:44.34 | amphi | heh |
| 00:44.37 | amphi | memento |
| 00:44.47 | Nyle | amphi: standalone? |
| 00:45.04 | Nyle | what did you mean by that question? |
| 00:45.17 | Nyle | what do you mean standalone on both? |
| 00:45.42 | amphi | Nyle: with no DE - just compiz as wm, from xinit perhaps, and see what difference there is; DEs can only cloud the issue |
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| 00:45.51 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:45.58 | Nyle | no I did not think about that |
| 00:46.10 | amphi | c-f makes a nice standalone wm, BTW |
| 00:46.14 | Nyle | but I don't want to not use kde |
| 00:46.24 | Nyle | I love kde, not just its apps, but kde |
| 00:46.26 | amphi | yeah you do |
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| 00:46.34 | Nyle | kdesktop/kicker |
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| 00:47.22 | Nyle | i'll try it though, to see whats up |
| 00:48.45 | amphi | Nyle: that's broken with c-f in any case, kde doesn't understand viewports, it seems |
| 00:48.56 | Nyle | tell me about it |
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| 00:49.05 | Nyle | I love kpager but can't use it |
| 00:49.06 | Nyle | :( |
| 00:49.18 | Nyle | well now I can |
| 00:49.33 | amphi | OTOH, xfce4-panel works well with c-f's viewports; I don't use that either, though |
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| 00:49.54 | Nyle | amphi: you know what rahul uses? |
| 00:49.59 | Nyle | a piece of shit |
| 00:50.13 | Nyle | hes been tellin' me hes gonna upgrade everytime I talk to him pretty much |
| 00:50.18 | Nyle | its been a year, its still a piece of shit |
| 00:50.29 | amphi | Nyle: what does he use? |
| 00:50.38 | rahul | don't poke me there, I'm not your gandoo |
| 00:50.52 | Nyle | amd old old cpu, like 128 or 256 ram, system swaps like every 10 secs |
| 00:50.59 | Nyle | I don't see how he can put up with that |
| 00:51.03 | Nyle | that shit would drive me nuts |
| 00:51.08 | rahul | I use 3 machines |
| 00:51.15 | Nyle | well your main desktop is lame |
| 00:51.19 | rahul | one of them is a dual opteron with 8GB RAM |
| 00:51.31 | Nyle | bullshit |
| 00:51.32 | amphi | heh |
| 00:51.34 | Nyle | when did you get that |
| 00:51.36 | Nyle | I never saw it |
| 00:51.44 | Nyle | hell you never mentioned it before |
| 00:51.45 | rahul | it's at work |
| 00:51.52 | Nyle | you work in hour home |
| 00:51.53 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:51.53 | amphi | I have old hw most of the time; as it happens, I have a newish laptop ATM |
| 00:51.59 | rahul | in the office |
| 00:52.01 | Nyle | you mean the server you access |
| 00:52.06 | Nyle | yeh thats not YOURs |
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| 00:52.13 | rahul | I'm the only one who uses it |
| 00:52.17 | Nyle | doesn't matter |
| 00:52.28 | rahul | model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 250 |
| 00:52.35 | Nyle | im happy for ya |
| 00:52.37 | rahul | MemTotal: 7685008 kB |
| 00:52.44 | Nyle | at my work i got some heavy artillary too |
| 00:52.54 | Nyle | actualy at home i do too hehehe |
| 00:53.26 | Nyle | I got 4gb ram, 3.5ghz core 2 e6300 w/ amd64 lenny |
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| 00:53.33 | Nyle | this thing is a fucking beast man |
| 00:53.53 | Nyle | I wonder if there is a super hero called beastman |
| 00:54.00 | rahul | my rear case fan is dead :\ |
| 00:54.03 | Nyle | here i go rambling again... im gonna go toke |
| 00:54.17 | rahul | I found a replacement on the street, but I need one that goes into a molex connector |
| 00:54.28 | Nyle | good god |
| 00:54.32 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:54.40 | Nyle | I KNOW you can afford a decent pc |
| 00:54.46 | Nyle | and you don't have to find parts on the fucking street |
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| 00:54.52 | rahul | I was all happy cause I saw a case sitting on the street and just ripped the fan out |
| 00:54.54 | Nyle | what are you doing? |
| 00:55.15 | rahul | and then in the morning, I went to plug it in and I was like, FUCK, this is the one with the molex connector |
| 00:55.21 | Nyle | hah |
| 00:55.29 | rahul | guess I'm gonna have to go to a store |
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| 00:55.46 | Nyle | that will never happen |
| 00:55.49 | rahul | heh |
| 00:55.57 | Nyle | am i gonna have to buy you a pc? |
| 00:56.08 | rahul | actually, it's still winter, so I don't really need the fan right now |
| 00:56.08 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 00:56.15 | rahul | I can just buy it with the rest of the parts |
| 00:56.26 | Nyle | gawd. |
| 00:57.11 | rahul | the need to buy a new video card is pissing me off |
| 00:57.16 | Nyle | agp? |
| 00:57.19 | rahul | yeah |
| 00:57.22 | Nyle | I have fx5200 |
| 00:57.25 | Nyle | want it? |
| 00:57.32 | rahul | I don't want no fucking nvidia |
| 00:57.40 | Nyle | well then go fuck yourself |
| 00:57.42 | Nyle | :( |
| 00:57.48 | rahul | heh |
| 00:57.56 | rahul | that reminds me of the birthday girls last night |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:58.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:58.31 | Nyle | amphi: still the same behavriour laggy as balls |
| 00:58.31 | rahul | are there actually going to be open source ati drivers? |
| 00:58.43 | amphi | maybe ;) |
| 00:58.53 | Nyle | right |
| 00:59.02 | Nyle | riiiight |
| 00:59.10 | amphi | rahul: get an old radeon that's supported by the xorg driver, perhaps |
| 00:59.21 | rahul | amphi: I hypothetically have one |
| 00:59.22 | Nyle | or just use an nvidia |
| 00:59.27 | Nyle | with nv |
| 00:59.39 | Nyle | nv works good too doesn't it? wtf yo ugonna do with 3d |
| 00:59.45 | Nyle | u don't do anything 3d related remotely |
| 00:59.48 | rahul | sure I do |
| 00:59.54 | Nyle | like what? |
| 00:59.59 | amphi | so why get nvidia? |
| 01:00.01 | rahul | I just can't actually do it now |
| 01:00.02 | Nyle | and hang on a second |
| 01:00.16 | Nyle | you have far cry sitting on your shelft, and your system sucks, how the hell do yo play it? |
| 01:00.24 | rahul | heh |
| 01:00.28 | rahul | magic :) |
| 01:00.32 | Nyle | thats right |
| 01:00.38 | et | far cry is not that nice |
| 01:00.41 | Nyle | so why so against nvidia? |
| 01:00.44 | rahul | I don't even have windows on my machine |
| 01:00.48 | Nyle | or just nvidia drivers |
| 01:00.53 | Nyle | nv works pretty godo man |
| 01:00.54 | Nyle | good* |
| 01:00.55 | rahul | because they're crap |
| 01:01.00 | Nyle | nv is crap? |
| 01:01.02 | rahul | yeah |
| 01:01.05 | rahul | it doesn't do 3d |
| 01:01.07 | Nyle | i think they did a good job of making an open source nv driver |
| 01:01.15 | Nyle | well you can't have everything |
| 01:01.20 | Nyle | go get a pos radeon then |
| 01:01.22 | rahul | that's like saying that they did a good job of making a PIO driver for IDE drives |
| 01:01.37 | amphi | nouveau would be nice |
| 01:01.44 | Nyle | rahul: its better than nothing |
| 01:01.50 | Nyle | you thankless bastidge |
| 01:02.01 | rahul | I can use onboard intel video if I want better than nothing |
| 01:02.07 | Nyle | there you go |
| 01:02.12 | Nyle | problem solved |
| 01:02.15 | Nyle | intel rocks |
| 01:02.17 | rahul | !penixstrike nyle |
| 01:02.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:02.21 | Nyle | oh god |
| 01:02.45 | Nyle | freak. |
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| 01:02.50 | amphi | heh |
| 01:02.58 | rahul | you say that like it's news |
| 01:04.02 | Nyle | cough*cough* |
| 01:04.08 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:04.12 | Nyle | word... |
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| 01:04.33 | Nyle | damn thats some good shit |
| 01:04.44 | blazer11 | pass dat shit |
| 01:04.49 | Nyle | document server |
| 01:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | why is "x11-common conflicts with xv (<= 3.10a-26)"? |
| 01:05.34 | Nyle | so the plan is to hookup my hp printer, install and configure hpoj, and have an interface where you put the document on the scanner, tell the interface to send it to blah@blah.blah and it scans and auto sends |
| 01:05.41 | Nyle | how would I go about planning that out... |
| 01:05.42 | Nyle | hmmm |
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| 01:07.05 | Nyle | hmm |
| 01:07.17 | Nyle | could use a diskless ltsp client |
| 01:07.33 | Nyle | hook it up to the scanner |
| 01:07.58 | Nyle | but what can interface with the scanner in debian that is just point/click |
| 01:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... xv is not even in debian - how can the maker of x11-common know such a package would conflict |
| 01:08.13 | Nyle | hm or would i have to write one |
| 01:08.25 | Nyle | in fact, its ijs |
| 01:08.28 | Nyle | not oj |
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| 01:08.40 | Nyle | man this is gonna take a lot of pot |
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| 01:09.06 | amphi | heh |
| 01:09.12 | Nyle | I meant |
| 01:09.14 | Nyle | lot of thought* |
| 01:09.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:10.11 | tudon | can not have both |
| 01:10.27 | Nyle | hmph, says who? |
| 01:10.36 | tudon | science |
| 01:10.40 | Nyle | not I. And I is all that matter. |
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| 01:11.40 | Nyle | tetrahydrocannibinol delta 9 only ataches itself to the cannibinoid receptors in the brain, incidentlly only located in in parts of the brain which are known to control the 5 perceptions/senses |
| 01:11.58 | Nyle | increased release of dopamine, and seratonin, and bit of norepanephrin |
| 01:11.59 | Nyle | I can't spell |
| 01:12.05 | Nyle | anyway, its highly ot |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | Nyle: go somewhere else |
| 01:12.09 | tudon | sounds bad |
| 01:12.22 | amphi | Nyle: soon you'll be telling us that you walk through life with the certainty of the somnabulist ;) |
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| 01:12.29 | Nyle | haha |
| 01:12.38 | Nyle | amphi: you want me to poke you again? |
| 01:13.55 | _fang | hello all. i'm experiencing some problems trying to run the ATI proprietary drivers on debian. for so, i need to know which file contains the list of modules to be loaded during boot time, and if it is done in order they appear in the file. thanks |
| 01:14.09 | Nyle | _fang: /etc/modules |
| 01:14.17 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.24 | Nyle | _fang: what exactly is the problem |
| 01:14.25 | _fang | Nyle: mine just shows loop |
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| 01:14.30 | amphi | and yes, they are loaded in order, AFAIK |
| 01:14.37 | Nyle | _fang: how did you install the drivers? |
| 01:14.45 | _fang | via module-assistant |
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| 01:16.03 | _fang | since /etc/modules just shows loop, i thought it should be somewhere else |
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| 01:18.21 | abrotman | persepolis: turn that off |
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| 01:18.47 | Nyle_ | what the hell was that |
| 01:18.50 | persepolis | ok, sorry |
| 01:18.55 | Nyle_ | for 30 seconds i couldn't resolve irc.freenode.net |
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| 01:20.21 | _fang | anyway, if my /etc/modules just shows 'loop', where can i find the actual place where the modules are listed? |
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| 01:21.10 | Nyle | then i think modules are not being loaded by that but by some other processes/programs during boot |
| 01:21.29 | Nyle | afaik, /etc/modules is the place where to specify which modules to load, how the rest of them are loade, I dunno |
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| 01:21.47 | Nyle | _fang: before I d/c I asked you something you p robably didn' tsee it |
| 01:21.59 | Nyle | _fang: does fglrx work for you when you modprobe fglrx? |
| 01:22.14 | _fang | indeed i didn't see =] |
| 01:22.18 | _fang | it loads |
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| 01:22.23 | _fang | i just can't get the DRI working |
| 01:22.39 | Nyle | _fang: just add a new line of fglrx in /etc/modules |
| 01:22.47 | _fang | i managed to get it working many times before, but after this new installation, it just won't go |
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| 01:23.00 | Nyle | _fang: as for the dri, make sure the 'dri' is loaded in xorg.conf |
| 01:23.05 | Nyle | _fang: which debian release? |
| 01:23.29 | _fang | i was thinking of loading the agpgart and the chipset agp before the fglrx. that was why i needed the modules |
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| 01:23.36 | _fang | it is loaded |
| 01:23.44 | _fang | stable. but i'm using apt-pinning |
| 01:23.45 | tecjas | hi all |
| 01:23.49 | _fang | so it is a bit of everything |
| 01:24.08 | persepolis | _fang: you need add too echo -e "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback">> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:24.25 | Nyle | persepolis: what? |
| 01:24.29 | _fang | Oo |
| 01:24.31 | _fang | sorry? |
| 01:24.37 | Nyle | _fang: disregard that |
| 01:24.41 | nepbabu | troll |
| 01:24.43 | Jester45 | can anyone help me figure out why when i try to set a essid it doesnt show up my network doesnt need wep or wpa |
| 01:24.46 | Nyle | !pinning |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 01:24.51 | _fang | Nyle: sure i will xD |
| 01:24.58 | Nyle | _fang: how about this |
| 01:25.09 | Nyle | _fang: REMOVE all fglrd related stuff from your box |
| 01:25.29 | Nyle | then proceed to sell your video card. |
| 01:25.31 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:25.35 | _fang | well. it was the first time i tried pin, it was just to see what came out |
| 01:25.46 | _fang | Nyle: man, i seriously think about that |
| 01:25.49 | _fang | lol |
| 01:25.56 | Nyle | btw, what model? |
| 01:26.09 | _fang | 9600pro |
| 01:26.19 | Nyle | aint nobody gonna buy that man |
| 01:26.25 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:26.25 | _fang | it works nice, when it works |
| 01:26.27 | _fang | lol |
| 01:26.38 | Nyle | ok, so why do you need to laod agpgart? |
| 01:26.39 | Nyle | etc. |
| 01:26.54 | Nyle | _fang: is this a fresh install? |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | Jester45: iwlist <interface> scanning |
| 01:27.18 | _fang | i'm getting a xf86_ENOMEM, and all the papers say that it is coz the agpgart is not loading correctly (i.e. is loading from the card) |
| 01:27.34 | persepolis | iwlist <interface> sca ,too |
| 01:27.40 | _fang | yes. installed by noon time (15 GMT) |
| 01:28.13 | Jester45 | http://pastebin.com/m6d733596 |
| 01:28.19 | Jester45 | im FETTER |
| 01:28.20 | abrotman | _fang: you can use module rules to have it load before the other |
| 01:28.30 | Jester45 | FETTER network |
| 01:28.32 | _fang | abrotman: how? |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | Jester45: looks like it shows up to me |
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| 01:29.04 | Nyle | _fang: also I bet the dri problem is due to the pinning |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | _fang: /etc/modutils/actions |
| 01:29.25 | Nyle | I have used etch and I know that fglrx in it works fine |
| 01:29.30 | Jester45 | abrotman, i know that works but dhcp doesnt connect and i cant set my essid to FETTER |
| 01:29.31 | _fang | Nyle: i bet the DRI problem is with my f*cking card lol xD |
| 01:29.40 | Nyle | _fang: no, your card supports it |
| 01:29.45 | Nyle | its a software issue |
| 01:29.55 | abrotman | Jester45: set it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:29.56 | _fang | Nyle: well, i was using testing before and everything was fine |
| 01:30.01 | Nyle | of course it was |
| 01:30.09 | Nyle | why don't you try this |
| 01:30.10 | Jester45 | abrotman, i was trying iwconfig |
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| 01:30.34 | _fang | i guess i'll download testing again |
| 01:30.41 | _fang | and do ANOTHER fresh install |
| 01:31.22 | abrotman | Jester45: i jsut set mine in the interfaces file |
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| 01:31.39 | _fang | those ati cards are such a pain in the ass on linux |
| 01:31.47 | Nyle | _fang: remove ALL fglrx related material from your etch system, download the latest ati drivers, run with --buildpkg Debian/etch , install the resulting debs, then use module-assistant to build the fglrx, and then it should automatically load it at startup, if not, use what abrotman said, but imo you need to do this inorder to get dri to work, plus its good to use the latest driver, as there are bugfixes etc. |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | _fang: just use the radeon driver? |
| 01:32.00 | amphi | _fang: is it too recent to be supported by the xorg driver? |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | amphi: i believe ati/radeon in etch supports it |
| 01:32.23 | Nyle | _fang: 9600pro ? |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | with 3d i mean |
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| 01:32.35 | Nyle | I'm not sure bout that card and open drivers |
| 01:32.39 | _fang | it gets the latest drivers, or at least it should |
| 01:32.44 | Nyle | or was it 9800 that they started at |
| 01:32.46 | Jester45 | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:32.47 | _fang | radeon driver sux |
| 01:32.52 | _fang | too sluggish for 3d |
| 01:32.55 | amphi | *shrug* |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | then why are you even fucking with fglrx |
| 01:33.10 | amphi | not at all - it works fine on my old 7500 32MB |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | _fang: try the radeon driver |
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| 01:33.30 | Nyle | radeon driver sucks, that WHY he is fucking with fglrx |
| 01:33.35 | Nyle | wtf kinda question was that? |
| 01:33.44 | _fang | sorry, the radeon driver (open one) sux |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | well .. how did he install fglrx ? |
| 01:33.47 | amphi | Nyle: it doesn't suck |
| 01:33.53 | Nyle | abrotman: debian way |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | does the one from ati.com even support a card that old anymore ? |
| 01:34.05 | Nyle | amphi: not my words |
| 01:34.13 | Nyle | amphi: :) |
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| 01:34.23 | abrotman | if i had to use ati cards .. i'd use one that works with radeon long before i messed with fglrx |
| 01:34.30 | Nyle | abrotman: that is a good question, I didn't think about that |
| 01:34.35 | amphi | Nyle: I expect man radeon was neglected, and useful options were not used |
| 01:34.39 | Nyle | I think latest fglrx will not work with his old card |
| 01:34.46 | _fang | it works man |
| 01:34.54 | _fang | as stated on their site |
| 01:34.57 | abrotman | _fang: /etc/modutils/actions |
| 01:35.00 | Nyle | oh ok then |
| 01:35.17 | Nyle | easy to just look than to speculate |
| 01:35.19 | Nyle | ffs |
| 01:35.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:35.22 | _fang | abrotman: i'll try it so =D |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | pre-install <module1> modprobe <module2> |
| 01:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there an equivalent do hdparm -d1 <dev> for sata disks? |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | does sdparm work on SATA ? |
| 01:36.03 | _fang | i'll need to restart X, so, if it works, i'll come back here |
| 01:36.08 | _fang | thank you guys |
| 01:36.15 | Nyle | faust__: run irssi in screen |
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| 01:36.22 | Nyle | _fang: ^^ |
| 01:36.36 | Nyle | restartX as many times as you want, you'll still be here |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | unless fglrx hoses your kernel ... |
| 01:37.13 | Nyle | could happen |
| 01:37.18 | Nyle | hasn't ever happend to me yet |
| 01:37.25 | Nyle | but who knows |
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| 01:38.10 | suwro | hello |
| 01:38.19 | Nyle | hi |
| 01:38.28 | suwro | anyone use debian 32 on amd64 ? |
| 01:38.35 | chops | suwro: Lots of people |
| 01:38.40 | suwro | i have a debian 64 and i get frustrated |
| 01:38.40 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 01:38.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: kind of no for me ( http://paste.debian.net/49712 ) but not a bad idea... |
| 01:39.05 | chops | suwro: If you don't have a specific need for a 64-bit userland, a 32-bit one may well work better for you |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i was just wondering .. didn't know |
| 01:39.09 | suwro | i want to ask about stability, usage etc... i use 64 version and i have problems |
| 01:39.13 | Nyle | suwro: because of flash/java browser plugins? |
| 01:39.18 | suwro | yes |
| 01:39.19 | Nyle | suwro: stability issues? |
| 01:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: was a good idea... didn't know sdparm |
| 01:39.28 | suwro | skype flash acroread |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | no one needs acroread |
| 01:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | there must be some possibility to enable dma for sata, though (or perhaps there is no way to disable it...(?)) |
| 01:39.50 | Nyle | suwro: use xpdf |
| 01:40.06 | Nyle | suwro: use nspluginwrapper for flash |
| 01:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but compiling something leads to freezes (possibly it's also swapping) - and I've only seen it that bad when DMA was off |
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| 01:40.22 | Nyle | suwro: as for skype, try with ia32libs, if not, might have to use a 32bit chroot |
| 01:40.25 | suwro | extor: skype does not show correctly the camera, acroread blends weird in the page, does not load libqtengine.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64, flash does not upload files etc... |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | suwro: then just use i386 etch |
| 01:40.46 | Nyle | suwro: easiest to make a partition, install 32 bit os there with all your tools and applications and chroot into it |
| 01:40.46 | suwro | Nyle: I have them installed - but problematic. |
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| 01:40.55 | abrotman | suwro: and flash in general sucks |
| 01:41.02 | Nyle | or just don't use amd64 |
| 01:41.13 | Nyle | 32bit is fine for todays desktop computing |
| 01:41.13 | Jester45 | abrotman, how can i have it restart/reload settings or the device |
| 01:41.14 | suwro | Nyle: I'll switch to 32. |
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| 01:41.20 | abrotman | Jester45: huh ? |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | Jester45: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:41.46 | Nyle | suwro: yeh bro, why get headaches that are not needed? |
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| 01:42.35 | extor | Err ok..thanks for the tip |
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| 01:43.05 | extor | Except why would I care what skype does? I don't use skype for anything right now. Maybe I should try it out? |
| 01:43.06 | suwro | Nyle: ah - also ati problems - fglrx is on mesa... :( |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | extor: i think he misfired |
| 01:43.17 | suwro | no video accell for me.. |
| 01:43.19 | Nyle | well dunno about that |
| 01:43.28 | Nyle | suwro: i got it |
| 01:43.29 | extor | I know I just wanted to annoy him into answering |
| 01:43.32 | Nyle | suwro: amd64 lenny |
| 01:43.33 | suwro | Nyle: no problem - thank you for you support |
| 01:43.37 | Nyle | suwro: to be honest with you |
| 01:43.46 | Nyle | suwro: amd64 etch is horribly unstable for me |
| 01:43.47 | suwro | Nyle: yes... |
| 01:43.55 | Nyle | but not lenny/sid |
| 01:44.04 | Nyle | and i don't condone the use of either of the latter |
| 01:44.10 | suwro | Nyle: well - I'm on lenny/sid. |
| 01:44.14 | Nyle | but thats what I experienced |
| 01:44.53 | suwro | I'll end my frustration today - switch to 34... I was soooo close to change debian with arch linux... |
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| 01:45.27 | amphi | Nyle: what's wrong with amd64 lenny? |
| 01:45.29 | Nyle | fuck arch linux man |
| 01:45.32 | Nyle | stick with debian |
| 01:45.36 | Nyle | amphi: absolutely nothing. |
| 01:45.40 | Nyle | its beautiful |
| 01:45.53 | amphi | Nyle: seems to work well here |
| 01:46.12 | amphi | no flash, which is good ;) |
| 01:46.30 | suwro | Nyle: I liked the packman method - compile package was so easy. I've made even my own packages - (1 or 2 yrs. ago) |
| 01:46.51 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:47.39 | suwro | Nyle: pacman on arch is like apt-get on debian. Packages handler - but much easy to make and maintain than .deb :( |
| 01:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha - and shouldn't a (software) RAID0 increase performance? htparm -tT gives (within error limits) the same values for sda and md0 :( |
| 01:48.32 | Nyle | impossible. |
| 01:48.43 | Nyle | nothing can beat deb in the linux world imo |
| 01:48.50 | suwro | Nyle: umm - should I use apt-get to switch to 64 to 32 or new-install ? |
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| 01:49.01 | Nyle | and my opinion is right and your opinion is wrong... its wrong. |
| 01:49.02 | Nyle | muahahaha |
| 01:49.04 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:49.12 | dvs | Nyle: who's paying you? ;-) |
| 01:49.17 | Nyle | suwro: as you wish |
| 01:49.24 | Nyle | dvs: hey dude man homie bro |
| 01:49.24 | chops | How do I name my interfaces consistently again? I'm following the instructions on http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm and udev is just complaining about my rules. |
| 01:49.26 | Nyle | how are ya |
| 01:49.26 | dpkg | Nyle: eh, ok |
| 01:49.31 | chops | I tried with both "KERNEL=" and "KERNEL==" |
| 01:49.35 | dvs | Nyle: cc-c-c-c-chillin |
| 01:49.40 | chops | Since it's inconsistent as to which is required :-/ |
| 01:49.45 | suwro | Nyle: .deb is an older packaging method (actually is tar.gz but renamed), being older has more packages on different distro. |
| 01:50.05 | chops | suwro: That is not correct |
| 01:50.12 | RyanRyan52 | My wireless does not work with Debian but it works with Ubuntu. My wireless light doesn't even come on. I am running Debian Sid and I installed the firmware-iwlwifi and it detects it fine and lets me configure it using iwconfig and everything. Its a intel pro 3945. Anybody know what I can do to fix this? |
| 01:50.20 | Nyle | not anymore |
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| 01:50.24 | suwro | Nyle: well - correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 01:50.28 | Nyle | !deb |
| 01:50.28 | dpkg | deb is, like, the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | suwro: it's an "ar" containing two tar.gz |
| 01:50.41 | Nyle | !pacakge basics |
| 01:50.54 | Nyle | dpkg: hi |
| 01:50.55 | dpkg | hola |
| 01:50.58 | dvs | !package basics |
| 01:50.58 | dpkg | i guess package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | suwro: and you can't switch from 64 to 32 without reinstalling |
| 01:51.17 | suwro | abrotman: ok - I |
| 01:51.20 | suwro | oops |
| 01:51.27 | RyanRyan52 | the bot should understand typos! :D |
| 01:51.32 | dvs | heh |
| 01:51.36 | suwro | accidentally enter touch... :) - i'll reinstall then |
| 01:51.46 | Nyle | abrotman: are you sure about that? |
| 01:52.02 | abrotman | Nyle: how are you going to do it? |
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| 01:52.34 | Nyle | bootstrap a 32bit chroot, umm... isntall grub, create device nodes etc. the whole shaban |
| 01:52.38 | Nyle | g |
| 01:52.43 | Nyle | no? |
| 01:52.44 | suwro | uh - when kde4 will be stable on debian? - do they have in mind to keep the look like 3.5 ? because the new kde look it seems unusable. |
| 01:53.01 | dkr | !kde4 |
| 01:53.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 01:53.06 | Nyle | suwro: it should not have been released yet |
| 01:53.09 | suwro | ty |
| 01:54.06 | Nyle | RyanRyan52: your address must be 420 UnderRock Ave. |
| 01:54.06 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:54.12 | suwro | hmm - where did i read that kde4 released... |
| 01:54.59 | suwro | on !kde4 result there's a comma in link at the end. |
| 01:54.59 | RyanRyan52 | ya...I don't use GUIs much...so I don't pay attention to that stuff |
| 01:54.59 | dkr | 4.0.1 released, heh |
| 01:55.06 | Nyle | RyanRyan52: just kiddinnngg... ;) |
| 01:55.14 | RyanRyan52 | I no |
| 01:55.31 | suwro | As you may know, KDE 4.0.0 is being released on the 11th of January |
| 01:55.40 | dkr | suwro: use a better irc client,mine doesn't include the comma on the url :) |
| 01:55.46 | suwro | copy paste... |
| 01:55.49 | Nyle | awe RyanRyan52 doesn't like gooey stuff |
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| 01:56.10 | suwro | lol |
| 01:56.18 | Nyle | kopete? |
| 01:56.23 | Nyle | is great |
| 01:56.31 | amphi | Nyle: just because you're a Kprevert |
| 01:56.47 | Nyle | That is correct. :) |
| 01:57.11 | Nyle | anything k is great, except special k, and the cereal too |
| 01:57.20 | suwro | Nyle: what's your position about kubuntu? |
| 01:57.31 | Nyle | included in exceptions |
| 01:57.48 | Nyle | they fucked kde pretty good in ubuntu |
| 01:57.59 | suwro | haha - that's pretty shure... |
| 01:58.06 | Nyle | and also many other issues |
| 01:58.13 | Nyle | I like debian because she keeps me happy |
| 01:58.34 | suwro | Nyle: so kubuntu ain't stable... uh oh - she? |
| 01:58.43 | suwro | debian is a she? |
| 01:58.45 | suwro | :) |
| 01:58.47 | Nyle | thats right |
| 01:59.08 | Nyle | if debian was a woman |
| 01:59.12 | suwro | Deborah/Ian ? |
| 01:59.14 | Nyle | it would be a big tittied woman |
| 01:59.18 | Nyle | cuz everybody loves a big tittied woman |
| 01:59.22 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:59.30 | suwro | Nyle: c'mon was or still is Ian's wife... |
| 01:59.34 | Nyle | suwro: im not talking about that |
| 01:59.37 | dkr | !debian name |
| 01:59.44 | suwro | or girlfriend? - whatever.. |
| 01:59.47 | Nyle | !silence |
| 01:59.51 | suwro | lol |
| 02:00.01 | Nyle | I'm just speaking metaphorically about 'debian' |
| 02:00.01 | dkr | !debian name origin |
| 02:00.01 | dpkg | i heard debian name origin is Debian is a name comprised of Ian Murdock's Wife's name, Deborah, and his name, Ian. |
| 02:00.06 | Nyle | not deborah or ian |
| 02:00.28 | Nyle | you know i get lost in translation |
| 02:00.33 | Nyle | I am always misunderstood |
| 02:00.37 | Nyle | always. |
| 02:00.46 | Nyle | I think in Urdu, even when I speak english |
| 02:00.51 | amphi | !comfort Nyle |
| 02:00.51 | dpkg | There, there, Nyle. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:01.02 | suwro | Nyle: ok - now you know :) |
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| 02:01.34 | Nyle | amphi: I don't know what is |
| 02:01.58 | amphi | Nyle: the lack of that all-important accessory? ;) |
| 02:01.59 | Nyle | well maybe cuz i talk too much? |
| 02:02.05 | suwro | ok - gone to download the deb 32 - thank you all for chatting - and making my morning beautifull - I'll stick with my beloved debian :) |
| 02:02.22 | Nyle | amphi: your sarcasm does not go unnoticed. I'm not a completely moron, mind you. |
| 02:02.33 | Nyle | bye |
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| 02:02.43 | amphi | Nyle: I never suggested you were |
| 02:03.12 | amphi | I just like to recall that beautiful brainfart |
| 02:03.15 | Nyle | so then what do you mean? |
| 02:03.23 | Nyle | yes, I recall |
| 02:03.36 | Nyle | that was funny |
| 02:03.51 | Nyle | I prefer to say 'cranial flatulance' |
| 02:03.58 | Nyle | it makes dumb people think. |
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| 02:04.49 | up_the_irons | hi guys |
| 02:05.02 | up_the_irons | how do I "back out" of a partially installed package: http://p.caboo.se/155726 |
| 02:05.05 | Nyle | i need to find a stanalone interface for scanners |
| 02:05.15 | Nyle | up_the_irons: apt-get -f install |
| 02:05.18 | Nyle | maybe |
| 02:05.22 | up_the_irons | i don't want to upgrade libc6 anymore |
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| 02:05.32 | BrutusLinux | New programming Forums up: www.hacker2hacker.com (make a name for yourself) |
| 02:05.39 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i tried that, but it just asks me whether i want to upgrade libc, and i don't |
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| 02:05.48 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i want to keep what i already have |
| 02:05.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-74-74-228-251.rochester.res.rr.com] by abrotman |
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| 02:05.59 | Nyle | so hold the package back |
| 02:06.02 | Nyle | !hold |
| 02:06.02 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | up_the_irons: you can't |
| 02:06.15 | abrotman | up_the_irons: if you' started the upgrade .. you have to finish it |
| 02:06.25 | up_the_irons | abrotman: oh man |
| 02:06.31 | Nyle | he just installed rsync |
| 02:06.33 | Nyle | he didnt' upgrade |
| 02:06.35 | Nyle | did ehe? |
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| 02:06.42 | abrotman | he says libc6 |
| 02:06.45 | up_the_irons | Nyle: rsync wanted me to upgrade libc6 |
| 02:07.07 | Nyle | up_the_irons: which release? |
| 02:07.33 | up_the_irons | Nyle: a prime example of why packaging systems don't always make sense to me.. all i wanted was rsync but it tells me i have to upgrade my whole system |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | up_the_irons: which version of debian is it? |
| 02:07.49 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i'm running 3.1 |
| 02:07.49 | Nyle | !info rsync |
| 02:07.54 | dpkg | rsync: (fast remote file copy program (like rcp)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6.9-6 (sid), Packaged size: 254 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | up_the_irons: uh .. |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | up_the_irons: paste your sources somewhere |
| 02:08.16 | Nyle | there is a mixing problem definitely |
| 02:08.32 | Nyle | or screwed up mirrors, if you look at the package versions that need to be installed are lower than etch |
| 02:08.39 | up_the_irons | abrotman: http://p.caboo.se/155727 |
| 02:08.56 | abrotman | up_the_irons: stable is etch .. |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | up_the_irons: you're not using just sarge anymore |
| 02:09.07 | abrotman | besides the sid deb-src |
| 02:09.10 | Nyle | yeh |
| 02:09.11 | Nyle | ... |
| 02:09.16 | Nyle | you can't just refer to stable |
| 02:09.21 | Nyle | stable now is etch, not sarge |
| 02:09.25 | chops | up_the_irons: You shouldn't use 'stable' in sources.list; you should use release names like 'sarge' or 'etch' |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | up_the_irons: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:09.32 | up_the_irons | well, i've never changed this sources.list |
| 02:09.36 | Nyle | it is preferable to refer to that as names |
| 02:09.39 | Nyle | imo |
| 02:09.40 | chops | up_the_irons: This problem is a prime example of why |
| 02:09.45 | Nyle | up_the_irons: you didn't have to |
| 02:09.52 | Nyle | up_the_irons: sarge is oldstablw now |
| 02:09.54 | chops | up_the_irons: Yes, but in the interim etch released, and so the meaning of 'stable' changed |
| 02:10.03 | Nyle | up_the_irons: etch is the current 'stable' distribution |
| 02:10.09 | up_the_irons | ok, i c, i shoulda never had stable in there |
| 02:10.21 | Nyle | up_the_irons: which is why is it better imo opinion to use names |
| 02:10.23 | up_the_irons | should i change 'stable' to 'sarge' ? |
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| 02:10.29 | Nyle | if you specify sarge, you will always have sarge |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | yes .. or try to |
| 02:10.35 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i agree, i'm not sure why stable got in there |
| 02:10.44 | Nyle | auto generated |
| 02:10.50 | Nyle | upon sarge install from cd |
| 02:10.50 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i haven't really touched this system in a long time |
| 02:10.56 | mnabil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:11.21 | Nyle | up_the_irons: always be mindful of your sources.list, even if you don't touch it |
| 02:11.39 | Nyle | which makes me wonder |
| 02:11.58 | Nyle | debian installer refers to distributions as names or current states? |
| 02:12.07 | up_the_irons | Nyle: ok, i'll keep that in mind, thanks |
| 02:12.10 | Nyle | upon genertion of sources.list? |
| 02:12.16 | Nyle | initially I mean |
| 02:12.30 | Nyle | because I see unstable sources commented out there |
| 02:12.34 | Nyle | so you must have edited this file at some time |
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| 02:12.50 | up_the_irons | Nyle: yes, i have edited it a while ago |
| 02:13.00 | Nyle | ahh well anyway |
| 02:13.01 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i just looked at a new etch install I did, and it also put 'stable' in sources.list |
| 02:13.04 | Nyle | you know what to do now right? |
| 02:13.13 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i changed 'stable' to 'sarge' |
| 02:13.16 | Nyle | up_the_irons: that should be addressed imo |
| 02:13.31 | up_the_irons | Nyle: yeah, or else my etch system will have the same problem when the next version is out |
| 02:13.36 | Nyle | up_the_irons: you could file a bugreport on this? |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | why? |
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| 02:14.02 | abrotman | there's no bug there |
| 02:14.07 | Nyle | this is why. |
| 02:14.14 | Nyle | its not a bug, but a chagne of behavrious |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | because he doesn't know how to run the system ? |
| 02:14.19 | up_the_irons | Nyle: kinda seems to me the debian guys want it that way |
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| 02:14.38 | Nyle | up_the_irons: I know, but look what happened |
| 02:14.44 | dkr | mnabil: how is using a gentoo machine a debian question? |
| 02:14.46 | Nyle | so are we to say that debian is not for everyone? |
| 02:14.49 | chops | abrotman: Installing sources.list with 'stable' is a bug IMHO. Upgrading to the new stable release should be a deliberate decision if and when it happens. I realize that others feel differently, of course... |
| 02:14.57 | Nyle | it is only for people who were born with previous knowledge of debian? |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | good .. you can all file bugs |
| 02:14.59 | Nyle | wtf |
| 02:15.15 | Nyle | seriously, man this cat irritates me. |
| 02:15.19 | up_the_irons | Nyle: i agree with you, but guys like abrotman think i'm wrong b/c i don't know as much about packages than he does ;) |
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| 02:15.29 | Nyle | bah, fuck guys like him man |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | Nyle: smoke it .. you smoke everything else |
| 02:15.32 | Nyle | you wanna file a bugreport, do it |
| 02:15.36 | Nyle | he has no say over it |
| 02:15.38 | dkr | mnabil: but you likely want minicom :) |
| 02:15.43 | up_the_irons | Nyle: ok, where's the bug report form ? :) |
| 02:15.43 | Nyle | take it up with the debian installer guis |
| 02:15.46 | mnabil | dkr, sorry , i mean it's linux question |
| 02:15.48 | metbsd | split up conf file in conf.d makes it difficult to diagnose problem and find options, why.. |
| 02:15.48 | Nyle | also try #debian-boot |
| 02:15.52 | chops | If there's no already-closed bug for it, I'll file a bug |
| 02:15.54 | mnabil | dkr, thanks alot |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | up_the_irons: also .. sarge only likely has security support for another three months .. you sohuld seriously consider upgrading |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | mnabil: then ask ##linux |
| 02:16.19 | Supaplex | !tell mnabil about gentoo |
| 02:16.21 | Nyle | up_the_irons: that I will agree with, you should upgrade :) |
| 02:17.03 | up_the_irons | abrotman: noted |
| 02:17.49 | up_the_irons | Nyle: yeah, only thing i hate about that is, ya get a ton of new packages overwriting all your old stuff and if something doesn't work, you're screwed. I'm a big believer in if it ain't broke, you know the rest.. |
| 02:17.57 | Nyle | up_the_irons: i know |
| 02:18.08 | Nyle | up_the_irons: why the fuck is someone else deciding my shit for me, right? |
| 02:18.13 | Nyle | but still, be mindful |
| 02:18.23 | Nyle | its ultimately YOUR responsibility |
| 02:18.25 | Nyle | that I will say |
| 02:18.26 | up_the_irons | Nyle: this system runs great and i keep up with CERT, etc... If there's a vulnerability, i usually download the deb-src, apply the fix, and install it |
| 02:18.43 | up_the_irons | Nyle: yeah, and I like it to be *my* responsiblity :) |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | up_the_irons: so it's not really sarge anyays ? |
| 02:19.29 | up_the_irons | abrotman: you could say that; my systems tend to evolve away from the core packages as I customize them |
| 02:19.37 | Nyle | if something is missed by the debian security team, then yes, its a very good practice |
| 02:19.47 | Nyle | and yes, it is still sarge |
| 02:19.56 | mnabil | abrotman, if (dunno = "answer ") { mouse = "shut"; } |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | mnabil: ask #gentoo or ##linux .. |
| 02:20.25 | Supaplex | mouse? or mouth? :P |
| 02:20.43 | mnabil | Supaplex, oh :D bad english :D |
| 02:20.53 | Supaplex | :D |
| 02:20.57 | abrotman | and useless code |
| 02:20.58 | mnabil | abrotman, if (dunno = "answer ") { mouth = "shut"; } |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | mnabil: do you have a Debian question? |
| 02:22.45 | mnabil | abrotman, i'm askin about a package, may be some debian user, know it , debian is linux , so i dun have to join ##linux , so i can ask a question , and i followed a good way to ask the qeustion and i apologize for spacifing gentoo |
| 02:23.29 | dkr | mnabil: you do have to follow our conventions if you want help. though. it's not up to you |
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| 02:23.58 | Supaplex | mnabil: someone already told you. try /lastlog. anyway, if it's really debian, what's dpkg -l libc6 | grep libc6 say? |
| 02:24.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:24.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@196.205.192.43] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:24.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:24.17 | dondelelcaro | mnabil: let me know when you have a #debian related question. |
| 02:24.19 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:24.21 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:24.43 | Nyle | did he accidentally say gentoo instead of debian? |
| 02:24.52 | Nyle | might have just been a brainfart no? |
| 02:25.23 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: clearly not, and in any event, if you want to discuss the actions of operators, use /msg. |
| 02:25.33 | Nyle | oh no way man |
| 02:25.39 | Nyle | I am not discussing nothing. |
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| 02:26.06 | Nyle | (just wondering more like it) |
| 02:26.23 | Nyle | was* |
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| 02:27.27 | Supaplex | sed -i that is. :) |
| 02:27.37 | dondelelcaro | compat, most likely |
| 02:27.51 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: which makes me wonder why you were running sed instead of echo, anyway. ;-) |
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| 02:29.03 | up_the_irons | Nyle: ok, it's mostly cleaned up, except i can't seem to get libc6-dev happy: http://p.caboo.se/155742 |
| 02:29.15 | up_the_irons | Nyle: putting 'sarge' instead of 'stable' cleaned up most of the issues |
| 02:29.23 | Nyle | just upgrade dude |
| 02:29.54 | Nyle | only got a couple of months of security updates by the security team |
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| 02:30.03 | up_the_irons | yeah i never relied on those anyway ;) |
| 02:30.04 | Supaplex | !release-notes |
| 02:30.05 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 02:30.08 | Nyle | eh |
| 02:30.14 | ferret_0567_ | !find xfs |
| 02:30.15 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xfs' (7): obexfs ;; x11-xfs-utils ;; xfs ;; xfsdump ;; xfslibs-dev ;; xfsprogs ;; xfstt. |
| 02:30.16 | Nyle | well lets see then |
| 02:30.23 | up_the_irons | Nyle: even if you're right, i'd like to know, for my knowledge, how to handle a situation like this |
| 02:30.26 | ferret_0567_ | stupid dpkg wouldn't privmsg me |
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| 02:30.45 | dkr | are you registered with nickseev? |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | up_the_irons: your libc6 already is etch |
| 02:30.49 | dkr | nickserv |
| 02:30.50 | ferret_0567_ | yes |
| 02:31.10 | up_the_irons | abrotman: it isn't according to dpkg |
| 02:31.10 | Supaplex | !tell ferret_0567_ about msg |
| 02:31.15 | Supaplex | ferret_0567_: did that work? |
| 02:31.18 | up_the_irons | abrotman: unless this is it: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 02:31.34 | up_the_irons | abrotman: thought 2.3.2 was sarge |
| 02:31.42 | ferret_0567_ | Supaplex, yes |
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| 02:31.50 | Supaplex | !info libc6 sarge |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:31.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 02:32.11 | up_the_irons | Supaplex: oh that's a neat command |
| 02:32.31 | Supaplex | praise dondelelcaro for the cool bot. :) |
| 02:32.39 | Nyle | yeh I plan on adding that to the wiki sometime |
| 02:32.43 | Nyle | too lazy |
| 02:32.48 | up_the_irons | i mean, the -dev side of it is just headers and libraries.. would seem that i should be able to downgrade it |
| 02:32.53 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 02:32.53 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 02:33.00 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: love the dpkg bot |
| 02:33.04 | Nyle | feel free to add w/e in there |
| 02:33.36 | ferret_0567_ | (%:~/CLUTTER)- urxvt |
| 02:33.43 | ferret_0567_ | urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. |
| 02:33.51 | Nyle | thats all the effort I put into it, don't wanna link people to info/bloot documentation |
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| 02:34.03 | ferret_0567_ | if I use a X server on the local machine and get my font files together with xset, then it works... |
| 02:34.04 | Nyle | or should I |
| 02:34.08 | Nyle | yeh why not |
| 02:34.11 | ferret_0567_ | I need to use urxvt over SSH |
| 02:34.13 | up_the_irons | why can't I download the libc6-dev with just '-d' : apt-get -d install libc6-dev |
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| 02:34.28 | up_the_irons | it gives me same dependency error |
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| 02:34.36 | Supaplex | ferret_0567_: something like this? ssh -fX $host urxvt |
| 02:34.47 | ferret_0567_ | Supaplex, I am using winderz |
| 02:34.47 | Nyle | -C too |
| 02:34.48 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:34.52 | ferret_0567_ | just...junk |
| 02:34.59 | Supaplex | !tell up_the_irons -about why aptitude |
| 02:35.02 | Nyle | winDUH! ? |
| 02:35.03 | Nyle | ;) |
| 02:35.06 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 02:35.46 | Nyle | what u buildin |
| 02:35.51 | up_the_irons | Supaplex: oh man, i'm not a fan of aptitude ;) not really into gui's, even text ones. but i guess i'll try.. |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | up_the_irons: so don't use the GUI |
| 02:36.06 | scorche | you dont have to use aptitude as a gui |
| 02:36.17 | up_the_irons | abrotman: scorche : oh, ok |
| 02:36.54 | ferret_0567_ | (%:~/CLUTTER)- urxvt -fn '-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1' |
| 02:37.02 | ferret_0567_ | WTF? still not working... |
| 02:37.06 | ferret_0567_ | that was from xfontsel |
| 02:37.13 | ferret_0567_ | I'm going to install extra Xming fonts |
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| 02:37.37 | ferret_0567_ | Xming is an X server for W!n$hit |
| 02:37.54 | Nyle | xming is great |
| 02:37.57 | Supaplex | well, you're in dubious territory there. |
| 02:38.11 | Nyle | i got a sid box with no screen |
| 02:38.18 | Nyle | xming works pretty damn good |
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| 02:38.36 | Nyle | well now im done playing oblivion so back on debian amd46lenny |
| 02:38.42 | Nyle | yea baby, yea baby |
| 02:38.48 | ferret_0567_ | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Xming_running_gedit_on_windows_xp.png |
| 02:38.54 | ferret_0567_ | xming == awesome |
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| 02:39.38 | Supaplex | oh that's cute. http://xrl.us/bgkox says cp: cannot stat `./debian/install/usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/gutenprint': No such file or directory |
| 02:39.42 | Nyle | geg |
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| 02:39.45 | Nyle | ferret_0567_: hang on a second |
| 02:39.47 | up_the_irons | w00t: aptitude download libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
| 02:39.53 | up_the_irons | one step further... |
| 02:40.10 | chops | up_the_irons: Are you perhaps in need of an 'apt-get update'? Or do you have post-sarge lines in your sources.list? |
| 02:40.30 | chops | up_the_irons: (Sorry, haven't been paying attention earlier; I may be giving you crackbrained advice) |
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| 02:40.43 | Nyle | ferret_0567_: that aint nothing |
| 02:40.47 | up_the_irons | chops: no prob. i did apt-get update after replacing 'stable' with 'sarge' in sources.list |
| 02:40.53 | ferret_0567_ | Nyle, I know |
| 02:40.57 | ferret_0567_ | Xming can do a lot more |
| 02:41.07 | Nyle | ferret_0567_: http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?b695c78c09.jpg |
| 02:41.12 | Nyle | THATS what I call using Xming ;) |
| 02:41.16 | Nyle | and some ugly black themes |
| 02:41.20 | up_the_irons | chops: it fixed some probs and the only thing left is libc6-dev is reporting dependency errors. I'm going to beat it until it complies |
| 02:41.36 | chops | up_the_irons: Can you pastebin the dependency errors? |
| 02:41.40 | Supaplex | woops. my typescript has no r's. my sed -i fuu today is biting me hard :P |
| 02:41.55 | ferret_0567_ | Nyle, damn... |
| 02:42.00 | ferret_0567_ | are you using vista? |
| 02:42.07 | Nyle | nope |
| 02:42.12 | Nyle | windows xp x64 pro |
| 02:42.14 | up_the_irons | chops: some background: http://p.caboo.se/155742 |
| 02:42.15 | ferret_0567_ | wow |
| 02:42.18 | Nyle | I WAS using it |
| 02:42.25 | Nyle | I use debian lenny amd64 fulltime |
| 02:42.26 | ferret_0567_ | what shell? |
| 02:42.28 | Nyle | and I fucking love it |
| 02:42.33 | ferret_0567_ | I know |
| 02:42.36 | chops | up_the_irons: :-( |
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| 02:42.43 | ferret_0567_ | keep it down, there might be little kids in here... |
| 02:42.44 | up_the_irons | chops: latest error: http://p.caboo.se/155746 |
| 02:42.45 | ferret_0567_ | :( |
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| 02:42.52 | Nyle | ferret_0567_: explorer.exe |
| 02:42.53 | up_the_irons | chops: this seems really close though |
| 02:42.57 | Nyle | ferret_0567_: dont' you see the desktop icons |
| 02:42.59 | up_the_irons | chops: i think i'm almost there |
| 02:43.06 | ferret_0567_ | oh |
| 02:43.08 | chops | up_the_irons: So... basically you have a mostly etch system... you need sarge security updates, also, for one thing |
| 02:43.16 | ferret_0567_ | Nyle, how did you get them to look like that...? |
| 02:43.22 | chops | up_the_irons: Oh, sarge libc6 and etch libc6-dev. That's odd :-) |
| 02:43.28 | Nyle | ferret_0567_: registry hacking |
| 02:43.32 | up_the_irons | chops: hence my battle :) |
| 02:43.36 | ferret_0567_ | can I have your hacks? |
| 02:43.37 | chops | up_the_irons: Try adding sarge security updates and see if that helps |
| 02:43.40 | ferret_0567_ | I want all win xpee hacks |
| 02:43.43 | up_the_irons | chops: yeah, this is a sarge system |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:43.45 | dpkg | i heard ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:43.47 | ferret_0567_ | registry hacks that you use |
| 02:43.50 | Nyle | see... |
| 02:43.55 | Nyle | go to ##windows and ask there |
| 02:43.59 | ferret_0567_ | abrotman, I'll be back on topic in a min. |
| 02:44.02 | Nyle | show them the screenshot and ask em how to make it look like this |
| 02:44.03 | ferret_0567_ | Nyle, :( |
| 02:44.06 | Nyle | I can't help you :( |
| 02:44.06 | ferret_0567_ | that sucks |
| 02:44.09 | ferret_0567_ | they are SOBs |
| 02:44.09 | Nyle | i know i suck |
| 02:44.11 | Supaplex | !enter |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | ferret_0567_: not here |
| 02:44.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 02:44.15 | up_the_irons | chops: but i had 'stable' in sources.list and the guys in here informed me that 'stable' will change as new releases come out, so i should use 'sarge' instead. So this is how my pain started |
| 02:44.21 | up_the_irons | chops: all i wanted to do was install rsync ;) |
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| 02:44.48 | facedown | why is it sometimes when i run a program that uses a port, like a nzb program and then do ctrl-z, the port is still in use? |
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| 02:44.53 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: you need to add the sarge security updates line, and then also run aptitude install libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 libc6=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
| 02:44.58 | zerodamage | I want to ask this here again tonight just in case someone else knows. I used previous versions of nix in the past that had a messaging system built in. When I would log in, it would tell me right away if I had a message waiting for me or not and it would prompt me to read them and respond or not. Is there anything like this for ubuntu/debian/etc? |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | facedown: ctrl-z is not killing it |
| 02:45.13 | facedown | how do i kill it |
| 02:45.18 | facedown | by port |
| 02:45.23 | karsten | zerodamage: mesg y |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp <port> |
| 02:45.28 | facedown | i know its using 8760 |
| 02:45.30 | dondelelcaro | zerodamage: write, talk, etc. |
| 02:45.35 | up_the_irons | chops: dondelelcaro : this is my sources.list: http://p.caboo.se/155747 |
| 02:45.41 | facedown | ok |
| 02:45.45 | flacom | hey all... I need help :P.... my computer can't read the MBR, so grub can't start... I have a live CD.. how can I delete the grub installation on the mbr and re-install grub in the / partition ? |
| 02:45.46 | up_the_irons | chops: dondelelcaro : i believe it already has the security updates line, no? |
| 02:45.51 | facedown | now what? |
| 02:45.59 | chops | up_the_irons: Events got away from you while you weren't maintaining the system... Debian systems do require some amount of attention even if you're "not doing anything" with them, otherwise simple operations like rsync will suddenly hit you in the face with everything that's amiss |
| 02:46.02 | facedown | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.06 | zerodamage | dondelelcare: is that for offline messaging as well? |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | kill ? |
| 02:46.13 | facedown | kill ID? |
| 02:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does sata_mv do?! |
| 02:46.16 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: it does, so you need to run aptitude update, and then you need to run the install command that I gave you. |
| 02:46.18 | karsten | zerodamage: You can also set the variables MAIL, MAILCHECK, MAILPATH to enable mail checking on your shell. |
| 02:46.26 | chops | up_the_irons: So try aptitude upgrade to actually install all the security updates (though be careful; if it wants you to upgrade to etch, don't :-) |
| 02:46.32 | facedown | kill 6135 didnt work |
| 02:46.33 | zerodamage | karsten: is that spelled mesg y or mesgy? |
| 02:46.34 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: alternatively, you can start up the curses interface, and walk through the possible solutions until you get the right one. |
| 02:46.35 | facedown | thats the ID i got |
| 02:46.36 | facedown | hmm? |
| 02:46.41 | facedown | is there an advanced superkill command |
| 02:46.43 | flacom | kill -9 pid |
| 02:46.49 | Nyle | pkill? |
| 02:46.56 | karsten | zerodamage: These days, with the amount of mail most people get, you'd probably want some sort of GUI mailbox monitor or just monitor your mail app. |
| 02:46.57 | dondelelcaro | facedown: kill is the only command that you need to kill processes, and try not to overuse enter, please. |
| 02:47.00 | karsten | zerodamage: 'mesg y' |
| 02:47.04 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks. does 'aptitude update' do more than 'apt-get update' (which is what i've always used) |
| 02:47.07 | karsten | zerodamage: man mesg for more info. |
| 02:47.10 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: no, it's the same thing |
| 02:47.21 | zerodamage | karsten: thanks. I will look at that. |
| 02:47.22 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: ok, then i've done that already, i'll try your command |
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| 02:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | facedown: or "kill -9 -1" for maximum effect :-P |
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| 02:47.48 | facedown | dondelelcaro: i did a fuser -n tcp 8760 which gave me.. "8760/tcp 6136" then i did kill 6136 and it did nothing.. its still in use |
| 02:47.56 | karsten | zerodamage: That's pretty old-school BTW. If you're running a shell account you might use that. The classic messaging interfaces were what dondelelcaro said: mail, talk, write, wall |
| 02:48.06 | karsten | zerodamage: Things have evolved a bit since. |
| 02:48.10 | facedown | CutMeOwnThroat: if the ID is 6136 what do i do? lol |
| 02:48.10 | Nyle | Supaplex: who doesn't |
| 02:48.13 | dondelelcaro | facedown: so kill -9 6136 |
| 02:48.19 | Nyle | Supaplex: you don't learn til you use strace |
| 02:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | facedown: you were already told kill -9 PID |
| 02:48.26 | facedown | ah |
| 02:48.29 | dondelelcaro | facedown: because you've suspended the process, it can't handle signals until you fg it. |
| 02:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | facedown: twice now |
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| 02:48.32 | facedown | i didnt catch it |
| 02:48.35 | a133x | hello, could anyone tell me if it is possible to install packaged from debian unstable in debian etch? would I risk somethign by toidng this? |
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| 02:48.38 | zerodamage | karsten: I have somewhat of a shell. Is there something better out there now that you know of? |
| 02:48.41 | dondelelcaro | facedown: man kill; for details |
| 02:48.42 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: ok, your command produced: http://p.caboo.se/155748 |
| 02:48.43 | facedown | CutMeOwnThroat: i thought it was a 3rd number after.. im an idiot |
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| 02:48.57 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: if I hit 'Y', i'll get the latest sarge version of libc6? |
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| 02:49.01 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: yes. |
| 02:49.04 | quentusrex | what command can I type to find out what version of debian is on a server? |
| 02:49.05 | dkr | a133x: look for a backport |
| 02:49.07 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: ok, i can live with that |
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| 02:49.13 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: after that, just aptitude upgrade; to actually upgrade the security releases, and then install stuff. |
| 02:49.20 | dondelelcaro | quentusrex: lsb_release -a; |
| 02:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh. dpkg-buildpackage needs root? |
| 02:49.28 | karsten | zerodamage: shell system == system to which you log in remotely via ssh or similar, or locally to text console. Vs. running a local or remote X session (or VNC, or NX, or ...). |
| 02:49.31 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 02:49.40 | a133x | dkr, and if the needed package does nto have a backport? |
| 02:49.43 | dkr | !debian version |
| 02:49.43 | dpkg | To determine which version of debian you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>. |
| 02:49.49 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: so aptitude upgrade will upgrade all the other packages to the latest security releases? |
| 02:49.53 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: right |
| 02:49.57 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 02:50.01 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: you should be using fakeroot |
| 02:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: but it just stopped with /bin permission denied |
| 02:50.07 | karsten | zerodamage: Eg: I run a WindowMaker desktop, use mutt as my mail agent, Konqueror as my web browser, and have a mix of terminal and GUI apps running at any one time. |
| 02:50.12 | dkr | a133x: isn't it kind of silly to ask that *before* looking? |
| 02:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: I think I do: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b |
| 02:50.22 | karsten | zerodamage: mutt == a console-mode email client, but it's pretty damned cool. |
| 02:50.38 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: if it gives you permission denied, then your debian/rules are wrong, and the package is trying to install to /bin, which is just wrong |
| 02:50.57 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: this is a prime example of why you don't build things as root. ;-) |
| 02:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: very well... |
| 02:51.29 | Supaplex | another fine example why rpm is flawed |
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| 02:51.32 | dkr | !tell a133x about simple sid backport |
| 02:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: what should I look for in debian/rules, then? |
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| 02:51.53 | a133x | dkr, you are right, it is silly, let me see if can find it, thanks |
| 02:51.55 | zerodamage | karsten: I run CLI only and want it to be really simple. I log in or my classmate logs in and we are told we have a message from one or the other. We then can check the message and reply. |
| 02:52.19 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: odd, it still haunts me: http://p.caboo.se/155749 |
| 02:52.26 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: most likely you're doing something like $(MAKE) install PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp or similar; either you're not setting PREFIX right, or the upstream makefile doesn't obey PREFIX |
| 02:52.28 | zerodamage | karsten: is that what I want to use mesg for? or do I want to use write, talk, etc? |
| 02:52.45 | chaataka | hi there, could anybody tell me what the `i' command do and which package provides it (google was _totally_ reluctant to tell me, hheh) |
| 02:52.56 | karsten | zerodamage: mesg enables/disables various interactive messages at the shell. man msg for more info. |
| 02:53.17 | karsten | zerodamage: Interactive messages include 'write', 'talk', 'wall', and notices that you've got unread mail. |
| 02:53.18 | dkr | chaataka: mine is aliased to ifconfig |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | chaataka: in debian ? |
| 02:53.32 | Supaplex | chaataka: apt-file search bin/i | grep bin/i$ |
| 02:53.32 | Supaplex | iprint: usr/bin/i |
| 02:53.38 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: you want to append tzdata=2007j-1etch1; to that install line too. |
| 02:53.40 | dondelelcaro | err, sorry. |
| 02:54.08 | chaataka | Supaplex: yes, it must be dealing with ascii codes but i'm not sure |
| 02:54.15 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: oh ok |
| 02:54.17 | karsten | zerodamage: I'd set it to 'y'. You may find it doesn't particularly matter depending on how you're running yoru system. How _are_ you doing that BTW? Local, remote, X, what? |
| 02:54.26 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: wait just a second; that's not the right command |
| 02:54.34 | karsten | zerodamage: ... or are you just sounding out what Debian offers and doing this all as a gedankenexperiment? |
| 02:54.36 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: not that, you need to do something like aptitude install libc6-dev=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 libc6=2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 tzdata- |
| 02:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: it does, but not PREFIX= but DESTDIR= |
| 02:54.41 | Supaplex | chaataka: man /usr/share/man/man1/i.1.gz |
| 02:54.45 | tremby | some punk's been trying badly to get into my ftp server for the last two hours, still is. trying usernames like root, admin, test, testuser, oracle and so on. he's not going to get in, but what should i do with his ip? |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | chaataka: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:55.00 | dondelelcaro | tremby: you should install something like fail2ban |
| 02:55.04 | zerodamage | karsten: I am dong it remotely off of a limited resource VPS. |
| 02:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremby: apt-get install fail2ban |
| 02:55.15 | tremby | i'll look that up, never heard of it. cheers |
| 02:55.17 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, so the makefile isn't obeying DESTDIR most likely; what package is this? |
| 02:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: xv ... |
| 02:55.44 | zerodamage | karsten: I am using ssh terminal only. no graphical abilities. |
| 02:55.52 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: farther, but still no cigar: http://p.caboo.se/155750 |
| 02:56.01 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: why are you building xv? |
| 02:56.09 | karsten | zerodamage: OK. Set 'mesg y' then. |
| 02:56.17 | karsten | zerodamage: Better yet, learn screen. |
| 02:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: because it's not there as a binary package? |
| 02:56.20 | karsten | !tell zerodamage about screen |
| 02:56.35 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: repeat my question with emphasis |
| 02:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: and I'm too used to it to drop it.... |
| 02:56.53 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: what in particular about xv are you using? |
| 02:57.12 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: that's tzdata-, not tzdata=blahblah |
| 02:57.27 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: I made a mistake when I first gave you the command |
| 02:57.38 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: oh ok |
| 02:57.44 | tremby | dondelelcaro, CutMeOwnThroat: i'll install that. thanks. the ip trying to break into my system was 203.99.1.75 -- i see he's running ftp and ssh servers. not about to do anything with it. just in case someone else wants to! |
| 02:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: just that it resizes images when you load them, you can open a window that shows you a list of the images you have with something as simple as a mouseclick and you can browse through the stuff with spacebar and backspace... |
| 02:57.45 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: so append "tzdata-", and that's it? |
| 02:57.56 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: yes. |
| 02:58.06 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: you actually may want to give "feh" a try |
| 02:58.15 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it's far superiour to xv in all respects |
| 02:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: I did... |
| 02:58.34 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: yeah, tzdata doesn't to die |
| 02:59.00 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: ok, add at the beginning -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" |
| 02:59.02 | zerodamage | karsten: Is there a way for me to enable mesg globally for all users? |
| 02:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: I do use feh and display from imagemagick occasionally... but still I find xv does more often what I want quickly |
| 02:59.19 | chaataka | ok, so "i" is provided by "iprint", thanx |
| 02:59.25 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: actually, simply 'dpkg -r tzdata' removed it |
| 02:59.34 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: that will work too |
| 03:00.16 | karsten | zerodamage: Stick in /etc/profile |
| 03:00.18 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: *shrug*, then in any event, you'll have to check out the Makefile and see what it wants to specify to install in a particular location. If you can't figure it out, you'll need to put the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, and .diff.gz up somewhere. |
| 03:00.30 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: success! thanks for all your help -- http://p.caboo.se/155752 |
| 03:00.46 | up_the_irons | and thank you to everyone else too |
| 03:01.11 | up_the_irons | w00t, now rsync is installing w/o a hitch! |
| 03:01.49 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: that said, you really should be considering upgrading that entire machine to etch relatively soon. |
| 03:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: ok... I'll see - thanks so far |
| 03:03.40 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: i hear ya, but this is the thing -- my philosophy, which has worked quit well, is if it aint broke don't fix it. This system is a xen box, runs a lot of stuff for paying customers. If I upgrade it, and something goes wrong, there's no way to go back, and i'd be screwed. So many packages fly around when a whole system is upgrade that it makes me real nervous |
| 03:04.16 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: that's why you take your xen box, you snapshot it, and upgrade it. If it fails, you revert. |
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| 03:04.33 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: if i have another box that i can migrate the VMs to, and take load off this one, i could upgrade it |
| 03:04.50 | zerodamage | karsten: It doesn't seem to work for offline use. |
| 03:04.54 | a133x | dkr, unfortunately there are no ports for the pakkage i am looking for(btg), and I tried building the package from the unstable rep but that doesnt work either, I get a "Build-dependencies for btg-common could not be satisfied." error |
| 03:04.56 | dondelelcaro | (or duplicate it, test the upgrade, and then later in a maintenance window actually do the ugprade) |
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| 03:05.01 | up_the_irons | dondelelcaro: when you say snapshot, do you mean lvm snapshot, or me just dumping the filesystem to somewhere safe |
| 03:05.06 | chops | up_the_irons: Your users will also be unhappy if you stop being able to provide security updates and the box gets broken into... |
| 03:05.13 | dondelelcaro | up_the_irons: depends on how you've set up your machine |
| 03:05.22 | zzz | Hello, is there anybody who uses a 2.6.25 series kernel? |
| 03:05.25 | karsten | zerodamage: Sorry? |
| 03:05.30 | chops | !tell zzz about anyone |
| 03:05.44 | up_the_irons | chops: yeah, but IME, i've broken more boxes through automatic upgrades than hackers have broken into my un-upgraded boxes |
| 03:05.56 | up_the_irons | chops: neither scenario is perfect |
| 03:06.00 | abrotman | zzz: that kernel isn't in debian |
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| 03:06.05 | zerodamage | karsten: mesg does not seem to work or send messages to a user when they are offline. |
| 03:06.33 | chops | up_the_irons: Oh, I'm not saying you should casually upgrade to etch and screw the users if anything goes wrong -- I'm saying that a cautious upgrade to etch is something you should plan for eventually, even though it is more difficult than just ignoring the problem |
| 03:06.34 | zzz | abrotman: I having problems with suspend to disk which worked properly in 2.6.24.x. I was wondering if anybody else had the same problems. |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | zzz: in debian? |
| 03:06.54 | zzz | abrotman: Yes in Debian. I am using Sid actually. |
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| 03:07.17 | up_the_irons | chops: yeah, ok. if i can migrate all the VMs off, I could try an upgrade. It'd have to plan it all out |
| 03:07.27 | chops | up_the_irons: nod |
| 03:07.30 | up_the_irons | chops: if upgrade is good, then migrate the VMs back |
| 03:07.47 | chops | up_the_irons: It's a lot less difficult if you get time to plan it and do it slowly when nothing else is going on |
| 03:08.05 | up_the_irons | chops: yeah |
| 03:08.19 | up_the_irons | gotta get outta the office, bbl |
| 03:08.25 | chops | up_the_irons: Take care |
| 03:08.35 | up_the_irons | chops: you too, thanks for your help |
| 03:08.41 | chops | up_the_irons: np |
| 03:08.44 | shamike | hi, i have a internal sd card reader dose that work like a floppy disk? |
| 03:08.50 | chops | up_the_irons: Glad we got things worked out |
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| 03:11.15 | Supaplex | yay! success. my r260 prints the cups test page. I <3 <simple sid backport> |
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| 03:12.23 | shamike | do sd cards get auto mounted? |
| 03:12.38 | Supaplex | !pmount |
| 03:12.39 | dpkg | pmount is probably "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
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| 03:13.00 | zerodamage | karsten: I do not think "screen" will do what I am looking for either. I appreciate the help though. I do not think what I am looking for exists or I have yet to find it. |
| 03:13.07 | shamike | thx |
| 03:13.23 | kanzure | I just did a whole reinstall of debian, and previously and during the installation, /dev/hdb1 was detected. Now there's no /mnt/hdb1. How do I set it up? |
| 03:13.49 | chops | Hm... is it normal to strace modprobe and see _no_ system call currently blocked, when it's in D-state and not using CPU? |
| 03:14.03 | Supaplex | kanzure: cat /proc/partitions to see what the kernel thinks you have |
| 03:14.18 | chops | If you do, is it wise to kill modprobe? :-) |
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| 03:14.39 | Supaplex | chops: yes, because the D state is disk/io that's not returned yet. it's unkillable until it returns from the call/read. |
| 03:14.59 | chops | Supaplex: In modprobe's case, I don't think it's disk I/O. If it were I'd see a pending read()/write() call. |
| 03:15.07 | kanzure | Supaplex: ah, I just edited /etc/fstab instead |
| 03:16.06 | Supaplex | chops: any system i/o really. I don't recall what man pages I read about it so long ago. |
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| 03:17.07 | flacos | hey .. I install debian... but it never ask me for the root password... now how can I access to root account? |
| 03:17.08 | Supaplex | !tell zerodamage -about away |
| 03:17.37 | chops | I'm having a ton of trouble getting open-iscsi to behave. My current trouble is that it's hanging when it tries to log out of the disk array (e.g. on shutdown). |
| 03:17.52 | chops | flacos: Boot with init=/bin/sh, remount read/write, change root password |
| 03:18.09 | Supaplex | flacos: debian-installer should prompt for that. try logging in at the console, if it has no password, change it with passwd. failing that, /msg dpkg single |
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| 03:20.16 | abhi | how can I install the gdl-gnome1.0 in gnome4.0r3? pls help |
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| 03:20.45 | abhi | or how can i install gdl0.8? |
| 03:21.03 | aFlag | where's the original website for the program packaged as html2text? |
| 03:21.15 | Supaplex | !tell abhi -about search |
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| 03:21.22 | Supaplex | aFlag: dpkg -L package | grep share |
| 03:21.22 | piju | hello |
| 03:21.38 | piju | how can i enable scroll on touchpad ? |
| 03:21.39 | Supaplex | aFlag: aptitude install <whatever ...> |
| 03:21.44 | chops | aFlag: You can look in /usr/share/doc/html2text/copyright |
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| 03:22.06 | abhi | this package is not available in stable repo........... |
| 03:22.07 | aFlag | hm, I see |
| 03:22.52 | abrotman | aFlag: check the Copyright file |
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| 03:23.00 | kanzure | I had to reinstall my debian system and copied all of my mailman files like /usr/lib/mailman/ and the archives etc., do I just copy them back to reinstall? (I also did apt-get install mailman on the new system) |
| 03:23.04 | abhi | it is available in lenny. |
| 03:23.21 | piju | hello |
| 03:23.23 | piju | how can i enable scroll on touch pad? |
| 03:23.27 | flacos | chops: thks... that not work for grub? |
| 03:23.28 | quentusrex | Anyone know about the debconf bug in lenny? |
| 03:23.46 | quentusrex | or the iamerican bug related to the ispell bug? |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:24.27 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 03:24.42 | wols_ | abhi: what are its dependencies? |
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| 03:24.55 | wols_ | it might drag in all of gnome lenny or you might be able to backport |
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| 03:25.01 | Supaplex | !tell piju -about repeat |
| 03:25.08 | wols_ | in the first case: not really an option |
| 03:25.09 | lantius | Hello, who executes php scripts in Apache2.2 ? |
| 03:25.26 | wols_ | lantius: the php module of course |
| 03:25.27 | Supaplex | piju: some touchpads don't have that feature. your details so far are too lacking and too vague to know anything. |
| 03:25.28 | chops | flacos: It should work for all Debian packages |
| 03:25.37 | Supaplex | lantius: www-user? |
| 03:25.42 | lantius | wols_ and what is the name of the user? |
| 03:25.48 | piju | Supaplex; my touchpad have it,i can use it with ubuntu |
| 03:25.48 | wols_ | as Supaplex said |
| 03:25.49 | chops | flacos: "It was downloaded from ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/" |
| 03:25.50 | lantius | Supaplex I dont know |
| 03:26.03 | lantius | Supaplex www-user is the user of apache? |
| 03:26.06 | Supaplex | lantius: phpinfo should say |
| 03:26.21 | abhi | wols_: I added the lenny repo . but it shows system upgrade before I can install that package. |
| 03:26.27 | Supaplex | barring suexec or per-user, yes (otherwise it's the user you tell it) |
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| 03:26.59 | wols_ | Supaplex: www-data |
| 03:27.03 | wols_ | my bad. just woke up |
| 03:27.18 | wols_ | lantius: it's www-data |
| 03:27.19 | Supaplex | oh yeah. www-data. :P |
| 03:27.21 | abrotman | lazy germans! |
| 03:27.32 | wols_ | abhi: 4:27am? |
| 03:27.33 | abrotman | ps aux | grep apache ? |
| 03:27.35 | lantius | thanks |
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| 03:28.00 | abhi | wols_: it is part of gdl0.8. but gld0.8 is not available in stable repo. |
| 03:28.09 | piju | Supaplex; i can use it with ubuntu, but im now on debian lenny |
| 03:28.16 | wols_ | abhi: what is? |
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| 03:28.24 | quentusrex | can't I download a debian lenny netinstall cd? over bittorrent? |
| 03:28.25 | piju | Supaplex; any value to be add at xorg.conf ? |
| 03:28.36 | Supaplex | piju: me? nfc |
| 03:28.40 | abrotman | quentusrex: it's 150MB |
| 03:28.40 | wols_ | quentusrex: not really. use a etch one and upgrade |
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| 03:28.54 | wols_ | well, you can but shouldn't |
| 03:29.13 | piju | anybody ? |
| 03:29.21 | zerodamage | Is there anyone else that knows what I can use for a debian dist that will let me do offline communications via the terminal and will notify the user when they log on that they have messages waiting with the ability to write and reply? (I've seen such a thing on previous nix systems such as aix) |
| 03:29.44 | eldiablo | helo, does anybody here know about this error ? "checking the trust secret via RPC calls failed" it's ocurr when i give this command: wbinfo -t |
| 03:29.49 | quentusrex | what's the debian command to install gnome from a server install? |
| 03:29.51 | wols_ | zerodamage: define offline message |
| 03:29.54 | pickcoder | zerodamage: edit the user's .bash_profile? ;) |
| 03:30.07 | wols_ | or rather, offline communications. UUCP is offline for example. doubt you want that |
| 03:30.09 | lantius | wols_ You were right. Thanks a lot. |
| 03:30.10 | abhi | wols_: I want to say it is installed while installing gdl0.8. but gdl0.8 is not available in stable repo. |
| 03:30.27 | eldiablo | i have samba 3.024 |
| 03:30.30 | wols_ | abhi: you repeat yourself. and I already told you the choices |
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| 03:30.33 | zerodamage | wols: like a local email to another user on the system. |
| 03:30.45 | wols_ | zerodamage: so install a mailsystem |
| 03:30.46 | Supaplex | piju: maybe it's eaiser to break ubuntu and figure out if it's the same in debian. compare xorg.conf between the two |
| 03:31.02 | abhi | wols_: had you ever compiled anjuta2.2.3? |
| 03:31.16 | wols_ | abhi: no. why would I? |
| 03:31.21 | zerodamage | wols: which of the mail system will do what I want without a ton of modification and hacking? |
| 03:31.31 | wols_ | zerodamage: all of them |
| 03:31.46 | wols_ | zerodamage: or none. depends on your setup |
| 03:31.54 | zerodamage | wols: which ones do you recommend ? |
| 03:32.17 | zerodamage | wols: everything is done via terminal/cli. no gui |
| 03:32.33 | wols_ | depending on your wishes, you already have what you need witha debian base install |
| 03:33.12 | zerodamage | wols: I undestand that but which of the mail systems would be best or do you recommend multi options? |
| 03:33.25 | wols_ | zerodamage: you already have what you need |
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| 03:33.33 | pickcoder | zerodamage: mutt, mail, pine, etc |
| 03:33.46 | wols_ | pickcoder: a MUA is no mail system |
| 03:34.05 | Supaplex | install emacs and have all three </taunt> |
| 03:34.57 | pickcoder | wols_: he didn't ask about the MTA he asked about the command line client |
| 03:35.03 | zerodamage | *sigh* I am still more or less new to this. If I want my systems users to be notified when they log into the terminal that they have this or that message from so-and-so user, what do I want to install? |
| 03:35.07 | wols_ | pickcoder: no he didn't |
| 03:35.42 | Hiryu | I have /usr/sbin/s2ram but it's not from any package I've installed |
| 03:35.53 | wols_ | apt-cache search mail notification |
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| 03:36.26 | wols_ | Hiryu: unfrotunate but how can we do? search the internets for you until we actually find the lplace you got it from? |
| 03:37.04 | wols_ | s/how/what/ |
| 03:37.41 | Hiryu | wols_: dpkg said it's not in any package but my desktop has that file and a package for it... uswsusp. So I installed it on the laptop and then purged it |
| 03:37.55 | abrotman | !find sbin/s2ram |
| 03:38.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/s2ram' (1): (/usr/sbin/s2ram) in admin/uswsusp. |
| 03:38.17 | Hiryu | now I think I know why suspend wasn' working, it was using software suspend |
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| 03:39.24 | Hiryu | heh |
| 03:41.00 | zerodamage | wols: It looks like biff is what I want for notification. Any recommendation on mail server that is easy to configure and setup for local use? |
| 03:41.25 | Supaplex | just install biff FFS. it relies on the file in $MAIL |
| 03:42.06 | zerodamage | Wow, thanks for the kind response Supaflex. Perhaps you should not be here if you do not want to help without the attitude. |
| 03:42.21 | abrotman | zerodamage: exim and postfix are both easy to configure |
| 03:42.28 | zerodamage | Like I said above, this is new to me so I am trying to figure it out. |
| 03:42.40 | WormFood | has anyone else running sid been having the most fucked up problems with gnome lately? |
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| 03:45.30 | WormFood | I swear, every time I update debian, SOMETHING breaks! |
| 03:45.47 | abrotman | WormFood: then don't run unstable |
| 03:45.48 | hark | then don't run sid |
| 03:45.53 | Supaplex | uh, sid is meant to break :P |
| 03:46.13 | WormFood | or as I call it, "unusable" ;) |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | WormFood: then don't run unstable |
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| 03:47.27 | KL | hi everybody, I need help with setting up a bridge on a openbsd pc, I know this isnt openbsd channel, but im desperated and in this channel ive always obtained good solutions... |
| 03:47.53 | abrotman | KL: #openbsd or #obsd .. whichever it is these days |
| 03:48.00 | raz | WormFood, if you need bleeding edge desktop stuff then gentoo might be a better fit. using sid for that sounds like a nightmare |
| 03:48.01 | Supaplex | zerodamage: I appologize. feel free to ignore my unsolicited advice and do it your way. |
| 03:48.13 | WormFood | I haven't been having problems with gnome, until lately...and it just quits working for no reason...and when I restart X, I get no gnome...I just now figured out how to restart X with gnome without rebooting (by deleting files in /tmp) |
| 03:48.15 | Supaplex | lfs! ;) |
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| 03:48.53 | raz | WormFood, or, in other words, maybe you should look up the definition of "unstable" in a dictionary |
| 03:48.55 | WormFood | I tried gentoo, but after several hours of it compiling shit, it still didn't work |
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| 03:49.39 | WormFood | I don't like to wait forever for gentoo to compile shit....and then have it not work |
| 03:49.45 | raz | WormFood, a basic requirement for using gentoo (or debian unstable) is that you know quite a bit what you're doing. if you don't then do don't do either. |
| 03:49.47 | abrotman | WormFood: this is #debian |
| 03:49.52 | WormFood | I usually don't have too many problems with sid |
| 03:50.03 | abrotman | WormFood: you might be better suited for testing |
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| 03:51.05 | WormFood | raz, I've been using Linux since 1995, and I have compiled x11 and gnome from source before, so I do know quite a bit more than most users...however, I don't want to spend a lot of time to compile my stuff from source |
| 03:51.34 | piju | i cant use scroll on my touchpad |
| 03:51.39 | WormFood | I love to play with stuff, and try new things, I just don't have the time lately to compile everything from source |
| 03:51.44 | piju | anybody can help me ? |
| 03:52.09 | WormFood | thanks for the advice guys...I'll go crawl back into my hole now |
| 03:52.16 | piju | WormFood; do u know w? |
| 03:52.23 | pickcoder | piju: there's a synaptics package I think |
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| 03:52.37 | piju | pickcoder; i installed it |
| 03:52.46 | piju | pickcoder; but still cant use my scroll |
| 03:52.51 | abrotman | did you read the documentation ? |
| 03:52.58 | piju | pickcoder; i think its problem with compiz |
| 03:52.58 | dbmoodb | !rtfm |
| 03:52.59 | dpkg | [rtfm] Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 03:53.08 | WormFood | piju, "w"? as in what was before "x"? |
| 03:53.37 | piju | WormFood; i got problem with my touchpad |
| 03:54.17 | piju | WormFood; i cant use my scroll |
| 03:54.19 | WormFood | piju, good luck, I hate touchpads :P |
| 03:54.29 | abrotman | piju: did you read the documentation ? |
| 03:54.57 | piju | abrotman; yes, but i failed to configure it |
| 03:55.01 | piju | anybody ? |
| 03:55.07 | abrotman | piju: read them again |
| 03:55.08 | Supaplex | ~lart touchpads |
| 03:55.08 | apt | takes out touchpads with the trash |
| 03:55.16 | WormFood | I suggest you try configuring it |
| 03:55.21 | raz | piju, what kind of response are you expecting? |
| 03:55.23 | piju | abrotman; ill paste my xorg.conf on pastebin |
| 03:55.30 | piju | raz; i want to use scroll |
| 03:55.55 | raz | piju, and i want to be a rich bastard with 10 top-model geishas |
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| 03:56.55 | raz | piju, if you google for "xorg synaptics howto" you'll find a ton of tutorials |
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| 03:58.27 | piju | raz; but i still cant configure it |
| 03:58.52 | dbmoodb | !touchpad |
| 03:58.52 | dpkg | it has been said that touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2 |
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| 03:59.27 | raz | piju, i have the same problem with becoming rich and getting these top-models laid. and *i have no tutorials*. so who of us is better off? |
| 03:59.59 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 03:59.59 | dpkg | i guess synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 04:00.00 | wols_ | raz: you. you have high dreams |
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| 04:00.39 | dbmoodb | i have a dell latitude my self - it has some dodgy thing where it has a touchpad and a thumbthing - i cannot be bothered with the touchpad ;) |
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| 04:01.41 | raz | wols_, well, but he's more likely to actually solve his problem during his lifetime ;) |
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| 04:03.02 | heatman | Hello. I keep getting the following error (what been just copied) when i restart apache2. Can anyone help me? |
| 04:03.27 | dbmoodb | just out of interest - i have an nas device here - it is running a modified version of debian etch atm- i want to debootstrap / produce a rootfs for it to load (get a nice compressed folder of it) but i need to load a few things onto it - such as a program so it doesn't reboot every 5 minutes and a openssh server (will change key after) is there a good tutorial of doing this ? |
| 04:03.42 | dbmoodb | for* |
| 04:04.10 | wols_ | dbmoodb: if it does have debian, just apt-get your openssh server |
| 04:04.22 | dbmoodb | well it does have debian etch sort of atm |
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| 04:04.43 | dbmoodb | - that is fine just wanted to know if you can load things into a rootfs and then just extract that :) |
| 04:04.45 | wols_ | there is no "osrt of". either it runs debian or it doesn't. it's not sort of pregnant either |
| 04:05.12 | wols_ | you can copy over a .deb one way or other and dpkg -i it |
| 04:05.13 | dbmoodb | wols |
| 04:05.19 | dbmoodb | it is an unofficial release of debian etch |
| 04:05.37 | dbmoodb | my alternative is to chroot it :) |
| 04:05.50 | wols_ | etch when it was testing. etch with non official kernel? |
| 04:05.53 | dbmoodb | - the extracted filesystem |
| 04:05.59 | raz | wols_, rm -rf /var/lib/{dpkg,apt} .. then you have "sort of" debian left ;) |
| 04:06.17 | dbmoodb | etch when it was etch - etch with an unofficial kernel - 2.6.16 with patches applied to allow it to run nicely |
| 04:06.32 | wols_ | raz: you have a borken linux left then. happy reinstall |
| 04:06.53 | raz | wols_, no, it will still work fine. just no more package management |
| 04:07.02 | wols_ | then it's simply etch with a custom kernel. like a kmuto installer ist oo |
| 04:07.19 | dbmoodb | sort of |
| 04:07.50 | dbmoodb | well it is a linkstation :) - getting some support in the mainline kernel of late (not sure it is complete yet) |
| 04:07.51 | raz | dbmoodb, do you want to keep the current install or replace it? |
| 04:08.00 | dbmoodb | ah replace it pretty much |
| 04:08.08 | dbmoodb | - this is just out of interest |
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| 04:08.39 | raz | dbmoodb, hmm, maybe you could just install a bog-standard debian and pull their old kernel over |
| 04:08.43 | wols_ | raz: /var/lib/ is more than just apt and dpkg. e.g. my samba would be VERY unhappy. |
| 04:08.45 | dbmoodb | - basically when i do a debootstrap on my computer - like i get the debian arm filesystem going - can i chroot into there and use that ? |
| 04:08.49 | piju | still cant use scroll here |
| 04:08.49 | wols_ | doubt my mail system would be happy either |
| 04:08.54 | piju | ill pastebin my xorg.conf |
| 04:08.59 | raz | wols_, read again, i didn't say *all* of /var/lib :) |
| 04:09.09 | piju | http://pastebin.org/20675 |
| 04:09.14 | piju | anybody can help me ? |
| 04:09.32 | dbmoodb | so like i can use the potential install system before i unpack it |
| 04:09.34 | wols_ | piju: you cannot read obviously. we cannot help.looks like a fair deal to me |
| 04:09.46 | wols_ | dbmoodb: do to what? |
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| 04:09.51 | piju | wols_; im just a beginner |
| 04:09.57 | piju | wols_; need guide here |
| 04:10.02 | wols_ | no you are lazy |
| 04:10.13 | wols_ | you will find we can be lazire than you if the need arises |
| 04:10.14 | dbmoodb | install a few things |
| 04:10.22 | raz | piju, your guide is RTFM. or try one of the ubuntu flavours (more beginner friendly). |
| 04:10.23 | wols_ | piju: you've been told guides to read |
| 04:10.53 | wols_ | !tell piju about fish |
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| 04:11.05 | piju | why u all are treating me like this ? |
| 04:11.06 | wols_ | we are NOT here to solve your problems for you. if you need that hire a sysamdin |
| 04:11.13 | wols_ | cause you are lazy? |
| 04:11.14 | dbmoodb | we are not please |
| 04:11.34 | dbmoodb | ok piju be patient - other distros will or can do it for you |
| 04:11.39 | raz | dbmoodb, for such custom jobs i sometimes install a debian to a vmware image, set it up how i like it, then copy the whole thing to the target device and replace the kernel... ofcourse if you have no way to boot the device with a hosed kernel then that's a risky process |
| 04:11.42 | dbmoodb | debian is not |
| 04:11.56 | wols_ | #ubuntu usually likes to handhold and do your work for you telling you explictitly what to type and when. if you like that run ubuntu and ask them |
| 04:12.12 | dbmoodb | - well i can simulate an 'arm' right ? i think using some emulation software |
| 04:12.33 | wols_ | dbmoodb: simulating the rest of the hw might prove difficult |
| 04:12.39 | wols_ | arms being embedded and all |
| 04:12.43 | dbmoodb | no i don't care about the other hardware :) |
| 04:13.05 | wols_ | there is so much different arm hardware out there no emulation software can capture it all |
| 04:13.13 | raz | dbmoodb, i don't think you have to. and in fact, extracting the exact kernel config could be difficult unless they provide the source or have enabled /proc/config.gz |
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| 04:13.32 | wols_ | raz: linux is GPLed |
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| 04:14.34 | dbmoodb | i just want to do a base configuration out of interest :) |
| 04:14.56 | raz | dbmoodb, then do it ;) |
| 04:15.18 | dbmoodb | will do :) |
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| 04:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems piju's problems can easily be solved - if he suspects compiz is the problem... "don't use compiz" |
| 04:28.03 | dbmoodb | oh he is having compiz problems |
| 04:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dbmoodb: not necessarily |
| 04:28.26 | dbmoodb | i thought he was on about his touchpad or something |
| 04:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I just marvel at "I am a beginner" and "I run compiz" |
| 04:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dbmoodb: yeah, but before it was about mplayer/vlc stuff which indeed is a problem with compiz |
| 04:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think the touchpad stuff is related either |
| 04:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said he thinks so... |
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| 04:30.36 | piju | CutMeOwnThroat; but i love compiz |
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| 04:30.53 | piju | CutMeOwnThroat; ive spend a week to install and comfigure compiz |
| 04:31.12 | piju | dbmoodb; when im not using compiz, the scroll just runs OK |
| 04:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then you're now not a beginner anymore... congratulations |
| 04:31.56 | sharp15 | does anyone know if there is a nxserver package for lenny? |
| 04:32.11 | dbmoodb | ok piju |
| 04:32.32 | piju | dbmoodb; can u help me ? |
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| 04:33.12 | dbmoodb | - what is not scrolling - please explain the mouse isn't no matter the application ? |
| 04:33.12 | SerajewelKS | sharp15: freenx or regular nx? |
| 04:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: yes, "apt-cache search nxserver" |
| 04:33.24 | piju | dbmoodb; touch pad |
| 04:33.33 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: that gives no results over here |
| 04:34.19 | dbmoodb | yes so in iceweasel and gedit / kedit / nautilus / ... etc. does it work or is it just in one application ? |
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| 04:34.44 | sharp15 | CutMeOwnThroat: i ran that search already. no package names came back. |
| 04:34.50 | sharp15 | SerajewelKS: either. |
| 04:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS: then I would interpret that as a "no" :) |
| 04:35.29 | sharp15 | CutMeOwnThroat: was that aimed at me? |
| 04:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was aimed at "no results" |
| 04:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like an interesting thing, though |
| 04:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: did you also try google? ... http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php |
| 04:37.14 | dbmoodb | ah what ? |
| 04:37.27 | dbmoodb | apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter or something like that no ? |
| 04:37.35 | dbmoodb | ops wrong thing |
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| 04:38.47 | heatman | Hello. Ive installed apache2 via apt-get. But when i want to start with the following command: apache2 -k start, i get the following error: apache2: apr _sockaddr_info_get() failed for debian.... Can anyone help me plz since I am unable to even connect locally. |
| 04:39.04 | dbmoodb | ah ... /etc/init.d/apache2 start ? |
| 04:39.10 | dbmoodb | how does that work :) |
| 04:39.16 | heatman | dbmoodb: give the same error |
| 04:39.35 | dbmoodb | mmm ...interesting |
| 04:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... there's no factoid for "google is your friend" yet :) |
| 04:40.02 | dbmoodb | !google |
| 04:40.02 | dpkg | methinks google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 04:40.05 | heatman | dbmoodb: oh actually i get the same error... then failed |
| 04:40.32 | sharp15 | CutMeOwnThroat: huh? i had already hit google. i missed freenx though. |
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| 04:43.38 | Tramp | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about giyf |
| 04:43.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: already seen it |
| 04:43.52 | Tramp | ah, ok 8) |
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| 04:45.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: but it would need a whacky message that answers to a question that are no1 hit of a simple 1 or 2 word search are wasting ppls time... which they could spend talking nonsense or giving advice not found in google (and I don't mean you now, sharp15) |
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| 04:46.46 | sharp15 | CutMeOwnThroat: lenny not etch. |
| 04:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: well, there's an nx directory and a Packages.gz... |
| 04:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: seems you have to take the sid-one, then |
| 04:48.17 | sharp15 | wait did you mean google? |
| 04:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: I meant this: http://packages.debianbase.de/lenny/i386/nx/ |
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| 04:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's sid equivalent |
| 04:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 04:49.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !slap CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean and _its_ sid equivalent, of course |
| 04:50.22 | sharp15 | i think you were right the first time. (it's = it is, its = ownership) |
| 04:50.49 | sharp15 | nevermind. i'm not sure. |
| 04:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant its |
| 04:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | the equivalent of that url for sid |
| 04:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | the url I pasted is for lenny, not for sid... |
| 04:51.34 | sharp15 | i get it. sorry. |
| 04:51.48 | telexicon | Is there a linux-mm package available? |
| 04:52.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | the sentence even makes sense ... but with a complete different meaning :( |
| 04:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: so a) this is not a package from the debian repository and b) seems you have to bite it and use the sid package (and its possible sid-dependencies) ... (or try if the etch package works and I didn't say that) |
| 04:54.08 | aspect | backports? |
| 04:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | aspect: ?? |
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| 04:54.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did that relate to? |
| 04:54.58 | aspect | backports.debian.org, if (b) |
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| 04:55.19 | aspect | I only read your last statement though, so it could be a complete non-sequitir |
| 04:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | aspect: yes :) read a) of it ... it's a 3rd party package and he's looking for a package for lenny, but there is none on the 3rd party website |
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| 04:56.33 | sharp15 | I just wanted to know if one existed. sorry about taking over the channel. |
| 04:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | aspect: anyways, aren't people (nearly) *always* mixing testing and unstable? |
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| 04:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... at least all people who (ever) update to unstable |
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| 04:58.26 | aspect | I managed to confuse apt by mixing stable/testing/unstable in a particularly baroque fashion a while ago |
| 04:58.33 | aspect | quite a feat -- I was proud of myself |
| 04:58.41 | aspect | but I tend to avoid it since then |
| 04:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: nah, you're not... I am ... with idle chatter (and it only works because everyone else shuts up) |
| 04:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but testing/unstable is necessarily mixed, right? |
| 04:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | because unstable doesn't have a full set of packages, but only packages that are in queue to go into testing |
| 05:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... if mixing there is ok, why is mixing stable and testing/unstable evil(TM)? |
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| 05:02.37 | sharp15 | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know if there is a recomended/documented method for how to mix testing and unstable? |
| 05:02.59 | streuner | sharp15: bobbitt |
| 05:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner: well, care to answer my question? |
| 05:03.32 | sharp15 | ? |
| 05:03.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: he means the factoid |
| 05:03.47 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 05:03.47 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 05:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | which sais that mixing is evil(TM) |
| 05:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | which doesn't explain anything |
| 05:04.36 | sharp15 | ok. then i've been on gentoo too long then. |
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| 05:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I see it everyone using unstable automatically "mixes" up to a point - and I'll stick with that until some enlighnted bobbitt fan here tells me why that should not be so |
| 05:06.24 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: mix with testing. Don't mix with stable. |
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| 05:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but where's the fundamental difference? |
| 05:07.16 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: testing and unstable are usually binary compatible and often quite close together. Stable and anything else are not. |
| 05:07.25 | Guerin | it's a difference in degree, not in kind. |
| 05:07.30 | streuner | you want loose support of stable, that's not evil, but insane :-) |
| 05:07.40 | Nyle | hey |
| 05:07.43 | Nyle | its Guerin |
| 05:07.46 | Guerin | it is |
| 05:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | "bobbitt" says it's evil, not insane |
| 05:07.52 | Guerin | and he's goiing fishing |
| 05:07.56 | Nyle | how does it go? |
| 05:08.00 | Guerin | it goes well |
| 05:08.01 | Nyle | oh it does, does it |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | i just got back from a 7500km road trip |
| 05:08.15 | Nyle | word |
| 05:08.18 | Guerin | we wore out the tyres on our car |
| 05:08.21 | Nyle | I just started a new job |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:08.30 | Guerin | i can trump that |
| 05:08.31 | jayaraj | can anybody help me installing Adobe reader on my Deb etch |
| 05:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as I see it, mixing stable and testing/unstable will make you lose the stability of stable, but will not make more problems than, say, daily updates to unstable |
| 05:08.35 | Nyle | trying to score another 2 year degree |
| 05:08.36 | sharp15 | streuner: testing (lenny) and unstable (sid) were the two i wanted to mix |
| 05:08.37 | Guerin | we're about to put in a tender on a house |
| 05:08.48 | Guerin | jayaraj: you don't need it. |
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| 05:09.00 | Nyle | xpdf |
| 05:09.05 | streuner | sharp15: not useful |
| 05:09.10 | Nyle | but if you must... |
| 05:09.11 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 05:09.11 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 05:09.15 | jayaraj | yea i know xpdf and gpdf is ther |
| 05:09.21 | Nyle | you can find mozilla-acroread there for a browser plugin |
| 05:09.29 | jayaraj | but still can i do that? |
| 05:09.40 | sharp15 | ok. i guess i'll get no where with this. |
| 05:09.58 | Nyle | defeated? |
| 05:10.24 | Nyle | gentoo is like... |
| 05:10.30 | Nyle | cute |
| 05:10.42 | Nyle | innit? |
| 05:10.45 | sharp15 | people keep telling me i don't want to do things and give no reason why. just some story about a woman named bobbitt. |
| 05:11.07 | streuner | sharp15: you didnt pay much attention |
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| 05:11.18 | sharp15 | Nyle: i don't follow. |
| 05:11.18 | streuner | scroll up what Guerin told you |
| 05:11.50 | Nyle | compile compile compile, all day long, compile compile compile, while I sing this song... gonna compile all day, gonna make it fast...gonna get old too real real fast |
| 05:11.56 | Nyle | la de da, da dum de da |
| 05:12.05 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 05:12.11 | Nyle | koolhead17: welcome back |
| 05:12.21 | koolhead17 | hi Nyle |
| 05:12.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: see, that's what triggers 350 ignores |
| 05:12.23 | sharp15 | streuner: i saw that. i was asking if there was any standard directions for how to mix testing and unstable. |
| 05:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: just apt-get install <package> |
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| 05:13.18 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: do you disagree? |
| 05:13.40 | sharp15 | Nyle: are you complaining about gentoo? |
| 05:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: no, I just don't enjoy reading compile songs |
| 05:13.53 | Nyle | point being, be glad you are using debian now that is a binary distrubion too not only source |
| 05:14.10 | Nyle | I'm not complaining at all, to each thier own |
| 05:14.18 | Nyle | I'm just doin a little dance ;) |
| 05:14.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: in general, it works pretty well (IMHO) and the dependencies take care of everything |
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| 05:14.34 | sharp15 | i'm using both. gentoo on my laptop. debian on my desktop. |
| 05:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: (if you don't overdo it) - just sometimes you run into unresolvable dependencies... |
| 05:14.45 | Nyle | and so you should |
| 05:14.59 | Nyle | I use a few diff ones here, the most arcane being windows 3.11 for workgrups |
| 05:15.00 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:15.45 | Nyle | I have amiga and c64 sitting in my parents attic |
| 05:15.45 | Nyle | I wonder, if you can use linux on those machines |
| 05:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: normally... if it's just a single package (or say e.g. 3 packages) - what can happen? At most these three packages are broken (normally, that is) so you remove them again |
| 05:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sharp15: if the package pulls 50 others behind it... then it's perhaps time to rethink |
| 05:17.13 | sharp15 | CutMeOwnThroat: oh. you're talking about mixing the versions of debian. |
| 05:17.35 | Nyle | sharp15: ooooh, horrible idea |
| 05:17.57 | Nyle | that is one thing you don't want to do in debian, as it can be disasterous |
| 05:18.06 | sharp15 | Nyle: see Guerin's comment above about mixing testing and unstable. |
| 05:18.20 | Nyle | indeed |
| 05:18.41 | Nyle | sharp15: so how long has it been on debian ? |
| 05:18.58 | Nyle | sharp15: some of the tools developed by debian are freaking awesome |
| 05:19.00 | Agiofws | dies anyone know what fu..... event uses sound when someone says your nick in a channel using xchat ? |
| 05:19.06 | Agiofws | does* |
| 05:19.13 | Nyle | Agiofws: #xchat does |
| 05:19.26 | Agiofws | Agiofws, |
| 05:19.41 | sharp15 | Nyle: my desktop has been on debian for about 2 months, mepis and k/ubuntu before that. |
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| 05:20.34 | streuner | Agiofws: are you able to play a file and why just use an extern app? |
| 05:21.02 | streuner | Agiofws: misread that |
| 05:21.09 | Agiofws | i know but fu.... xchat has 3948932983289 sound events i don't know which one it is |
| 05:21.19 | Agiofws | anyway i found it |
| 05:21.38 | Agiofws | wow code monkeys can become really stupid sometimes |
| 05:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws: hilight? |
| 05:22.13 | Agiofws | no i think it was beep |
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| 05:23.20 | mbac | vorrei fare una conzona che transmetta un ideale se le cose vanno male |
| 05:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, guess-the-language |
| 05:23.51 | streuner | !it |
| 05:23.51 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 05:24.41 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: dont be that quick, i rather doubt that was OnTopic :-) |
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| 05:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner: that was just for guessing the same language as I did |
| 05:25.30 | mbac | haha sorry, pasted to the wrong window |
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| 05:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... shall we enter the advanced competition of "what the heck does it mean"? |
| 05:26.01 | mbac | wow there's a #debian-it? |
| 05:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbac: if not, then there will be when you join :) |
| 05:26.32 | mbac | i think "i want to make a song that transmits an ideal if things go wrong" |
| 05:26.41 | mbac | wow, there is |
| 05:26.45 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 05:26.45 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:37.00 | MZM | wtf is 111/tcp rpcbind and why it's running on my Debian lenny/sid box? |
| 05:37.50 | streuner | MZM: grep 111 /etc/services |
| 05:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... ever asked dpkg about news? |
| 05:39.03 | MZM | streuner: still it leaves second part of my Q open - why it's running by default? |
| 05:39.34 | streuner | MZM: apt-get remove portmap |
| 05:40.06 | streuner | MZM: NFS |
| 05:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | MZM: are you running an nfs server by any chance? |
| 05:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
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| 05:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | beating me by typing something 3000% shorter is... unfair |
| 05:40.33 | MZM | nope. no nfs. I removed it. thanks for hints. |
| 05:40.54 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 05:40.54 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
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| 05:42.32 | MZM | streuner: not funny. On Gentoo I don't have any open ports unless I have started/enabled something. Not same in Debian :I( |
| 05:42.46 | mbac | that port's rather harmless |
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| 05:44.43 | MZM | mbac: there's no such thing as "open harmless port" |
| 05:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is such a thing as a computer without network, though |
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| 05:56.02 | dragonfly | hi all |
| 05:56.14 | telexicon | hi |
| 05:56.28 | dragonfly | what's goin' on tonight? |
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| 05:59.11 | andrej | Is there a known issue with current releases of debian and openntpd ? |
| 05:59.13 | MZM | dragonfly: it's morning here :) Wanna test my fail2ban setup? |
| 05:59.27 | RyanRyan52 | so mean...my shell script seg faulted... |
| 05:59.30 | andrej | I keep getting messages like this in messages |
| 05:59.32 | andrej | can't open /var/log/ntpstats/peerstats.200802 |
| 05:59.37 | dragonfly | mzb, not sure what a fail2ban is |
| 05:59.46 | andrej | permission denied |
| 05:59.55 | mzb | z/MZM |
| 05:59.57 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: run it as root? |
| 06:00.02 | MZM | dragonfly: You just need to try to login into my ssh box with wrong pass :P |
| 06:00.03 | mzb | *s! |
| 06:00.13 | dragonfly | and what will it do? |
| 06:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | MZM capital, eh? |
| 06:00.18 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: and if you want to know if a bug exists you check the bts |
| 06:00.20 | RyanRyan52 | !bts |
| 06:00.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 06:00.22 | andrej | RyanRyan52 : I guess that's that the init script does? |
| 06:00.47 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: what are typing thats giving you that output? |
| 06:00.48 | MZM | dragonfly: it should add You to my iptables with -j DROP :) |
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| 06:00.57 | andrej | RyanRyan52 : I found an issue from 2006 or so, I would have hoped it was fixed |
| 06:01.06 | andrej | thanks for the hint, tough |
| 06:01.23 | andrej | it's in /var/log/messages |
| 06:01.37 | andrej | though even |
| 06:02.08 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: oh...wierd...what are the permissions on the file its trying to right to? |
| 06:02.13 | andrej | Feb 22 18:53:31 server ntpd[6845]: can't open /var/log/ntpstats/peerstats.20080222: Permission denied |
| 06:02.21 | andrej | It doesn't exist |
| 06:02.34 | dragonfly | MZM, don' know if I want my IP gettin' logged :P |
| 06:02.36 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: ls -l /var/log/ntpstats/ |
| 06:02.41 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: pastebin the output |
| 06:02.52 | MZM | dragonfly: hehehe |
| 06:02.55 | andrej | ls -l ntpstats/ |
| 06:02.55 | andrej | total 4 |
| 06:02.58 | andrej | -rw-r--r-- 1 ntp root 168 2008-02-21 17:51 peerstats.20080221 |
| 06:03.00 | andrej | Heh |
| 06:03.02 | andrej | too late |
| 06:03.15 | andrej | it's only one file, I "touched" it yesterday |
| 06:03.27 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: ls -la /var/log/ntpstats/ |
| 06:03.46 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: specifically the "."'s permissions |
| 06:03.51 | andrej | ls -la ntpstats/ |
| 06:03.51 | andrej | total 8 |
| 06:03.51 | andrej | drwxr-xr-x 2 ntp ntp 88 2008-02-21 17:51 . |
| 06:03.51 | andrej | drwxrwxr-t 26 root ntp 4264 2008-02-22 01:35 .. |
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| 06:03.58 | andrej | -rw-r--r-- 1 ntp root 168 2008-02-21 17:51 peerstats.20080221 |
| 06:04.03 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: thats why I told you to pastebin it! |
| 06:04.05 | RyanRyan52 | !pastebin |
| 06:04.06 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 06:04.13 | RyanRyan52 | !pastebin > andrej |
| 06:04.20 | andrej | 4 lines? |
| 06:04.22 | andrej | *sigh* |
| 06:04.24 | RyanRyan52 | yes |
| 06:04.35 | RyanRyan52 | the bot is mean to people who don't do what it says |
| 06:04.41 | andrej | heh |
| 06:05.03 | dragonfly | hi dpkg |
| 06:05.13 | RyanRyan52 | dpkg: hi |
| 06:05.13 | dpkg | que tal, ryanryan52 |
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| 06:05.54 | dragonfly | ah, that's what it is, couldn't remember |
| 06:06.00 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: well...chmod 777 /var/log/ntpstats and try again just to see if it magically works... |
| 06:06.40 | dragonfly | RyanRyan52, of course that would work, the file would always be writable.....but might be a security issue of sorts |
| 06:07.14 | RyanRyan52 | the phrase "just to see" |
| 06:07.20 | dragonfly | yeah |
| 06:07.23 | RyanRyan52 | as in don't really use it |
| 06:07.31 | dragonfly | long as he remembers to change it |
| 06:07.52 | ^shark_ | very strange thing >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1882 |
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| 06:07.56 | ^shark_ | can someone help |
| 06:08.00 | andrej | http://paste.lisp.org/display/56293 |
| 06:08.06 | RyanRyan52 | well, I was planning on giving him more instructions after he did that to see what user created the thing |
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| 06:08.55 | dragonfly | ^shark_, what are we looking at? |
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| 06:09.18 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: ya, so do the chmod |
| 06:09.37 | romio | guten morgen |
| 06:10.17 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: restart ntp and see the owner of the file it creates. Then chown /var/log/ntpstats to that user and chmod it back to 755. |
| 06:10.19 | dragonfly | hello romio |
| 06:11.01 | JustSoul | Why in debian installer (cd netinstall ), when use "fb=false" boot option, language selection menu is smallest,than w/o "fb=false"? |
| 06:11.08 | JustSoul | morning |
| 06:11.14 | andrej | RyanRyan52 ... I thought this is why people are using debian and it's packages, so they don't have to fart around ;} |
| 06:11.30 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: but ur system is wierd... |
| 06:11.40 | andrej | It's a stock install. |
| 06:11.46 | andrej | nothing changed manually |
| 06:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | on a FAT file system :-/ |
| 06:12.05 | RyanRyan52 | I highly doubt that it doesn't work by default :P |
| 06:12.16 | andrej | heh |
| 06:12.28 | andrej | I can send you logs from the first day on |
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| 06:12.52 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: I do not think that would help anything... |
| 06:12.59 | andrej | I even went and removed (purged) ntp and openntpd and re0installed a couple of times |
| 06:13.14 | andrej | no it wouldn't |
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| 06:13.48 | romio | habe folgendes problem bzw. bitte: habe neben der alten festplatte (mit suse 10.0) auf einer neuen platte debian übers netzwerkinstallation (internet) installiert. das klappte auch gut. zum schluss wurde ich gefragt, ob der bootloader grub entsprechend aktualisiert werden soll - was ich mit ja bestätigt habe. dann aber, beim bootvorgang bleibt er hängen: grub - error 21. ich komme zur Zeit nur mit knoppix an das system. was ist da falsch gel |
| 06:13.59 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: did u follow my instructions yet? |
| 06:14.08 | dragonfly | romio, english please |
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| 06:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or |
| 06:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !de |
| 06:15.13 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 06:15.23 | dragonfly | dpkg: english |
| 06:15.23 | dpkg | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope) |
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| 06:17.19 | feysalus | Hi |
| 06:17.25 | dragonfly | hi feysalus |
| 06:17.28 | RyanRyan52 | feysalus: hi |
| 06:17.29 | feysalus | Im downloading the net install image |
| 06:17.43 | feysalus | will I be able to install it through wifi? |
| 06:17.46 | dragonfly | congratulations, welcome to the Debian side :D |
| 06:17.58 | dragonfly | feysalus, I think you would be much better off plugging in to the router |
| 06:18.01 | JustSoul | Why in debian installer (cd netinstall ), when use "fb=false" boot option, language selection menu is smallest,than w/o "fb=false"? |
| 06:18.05 | RyanRyan52 | feysalus: no |
| 06:18.18 | feysalus | ok |
| 06:18.24 | andrej | RyanRyan52 : no I didn't I just made it group writeable |
| 06:18.52 | dragonfly | did it work when u made it group writable andrej? |
| 06:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | romio: anyways, could be a couple of things... apart from the windows part, this is probably relevant for you |
| 06:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell romio about fixmbr |
| 06:19.26 | andrej | waiting for it to try and write stats after the restart |
| 06:19.34 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: That shouldn't make any difference...making it 777 is just so we can continue debugging, only temporary |
| 06:19.40 | andrej | so far no mention of it in daemon.log so far |
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| 06:20.27 | andrej | tired :/ |
| 06:20.42 | dullu | hii |
| 06:20.47 | RyanRyan52 | me too... |
| 06:20.56 | romio | cutmeownthroat: i have not installed windows; only suse-linux 10.0 on the old hard-disk and debian on the new harddisk |
| 06:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | aol, aol |
| 06:21.03 | dullu | i wanted 2 learn from the basics of lnux |
| 06:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | romio: I said apart from the windows thing... |
| 06:21.14 | dullu | i have dual boot |
| 06:21.20 | dullu | XP nd debian |
| 06:21.32 | dragonfly | what do u want to learn dullu? |
| 06:21.42 | dullu | i wanted 2 learn kernel programming nd shell scrpting |
| 06:22.02 | andrej | It's not that ntp isn't working as such. just the messages annoy me |
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| 06:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | romio: most of the rest still applies to you - although, it might be a bit more difficult in your case... |
| 06:23.09 | cahoot | dullu: lots of info on tldp.org |
| 06:23.11 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: I know the feeling...my router puts out messages to syslog a few times a second |
| 06:23.25 | dragonfly | dullu, i'm no expert on kernel programming, but to learn shell scripting, I'd suggest finding a script that does something simple and then play with it by changin and adding different things to make it do what you want....google will be your friend :) |
| 06:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you still need to put the kernel image somewhere at the start of the disk so that grub can find it? |
| 06:23.55 | ^shark_ | dragonfly: i seem to havea very confusing display of my gateway |
| 06:24.03 | dullu | but wen u try playing wid something u sometimes end up crashing ur system |
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| 06:24.28 | RyanRyan52 | dullu: for kernel hacking, get very good with c first (as in messing with non-kernel stuff) |
| 06:24.40 | dragonfly | dullu, to help prevent that, practice as an unprivledged user or using a live CD of some sort |
| 06:24.52 | romio | cutme..: i only can boot now with the knoppix-CD |
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| 06:25.13 | dragonfly | ^shark_, nice of you to check back in...i don't remember exactly what I saw before, but explain the situation and then post the link |
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| 06:25.24 | dullu | i have he debian 4.0 cd's but i do not have a live cd |
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| 06:25.43 | RyanRyan52 | How do I do the opposite of xargs? |
| 06:26.08 | dragonfly | dullu, for experimentation, I have been known to disconnect my hard drive and boot from a live CD, then I know there is no way I can do any permenant damage |
| 06:26.30 | RyanRyan52 | but its fun to do permanent damage :P |
| 06:26.34 | dragonfly | dullu, there are lots of live CD distros that work pretty good for experimentation, find one and use it |
| 06:26.47 | dragonfly | RyanRyan52, lol, only if I'm using the computer of someone I don't like :P |
| 06:26.57 | RyanRyan52 | ya |
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| 06:27.50 | dullu | can u tell me how 2 make a live cd |
| 06:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | romio: either that (and open a terminal and become root there) or you can boot up into a linux of the install disk... anyways, the commands the bot told you should work - try them and put any errors you get (and perhaps /boot/grub/menu.lst) into a pastebin and ask here again |
| 06:27.56 | valdyn | !u |
| 06:27.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | not me, though, because I'm going to bed |
| 06:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, I actually was much more tempted for a slight irritation... |
| 06:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate dullu |
| 06:28.24 | dpkg | dullu: wenas how does I run teh mouse U FUX0RZ |
| 06:28.27 | dragonfly | download the iso and burn it...may I suggest Knoppix and Damn Small Linux |
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| 06:30.02 | dullu | okkkkk thanq |
| 06:30.08 | andrej | ooonf... stats of clock adjustments are now being updated, the error messages have stopped, but it's not writing any file(s) either. *sigh* |
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| 06:31.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell romio -about paste |
| 06:31.33 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: do "ps aux" and see who owns the process |
| 06:32.23 | romio | cutme...: what do you mean? (my english ist not very good) |
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| 06:34.06 | Rat409 | !tell romio pastebin |
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| 06:34.19 | darius12_ | make-ssl-cert is being unnecessarily painful in version 1.0.15 |
| 06:34.20 | Rat409 | nope |
| 06:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | romio: I mean it's 0:30 am here and "gute nacht" :) |
| 06:34.30 | alpharhythm | hi...when i try to open synaptic from the main menu i get this error message: Could not grab your mouse. |
| 06:34.30 | alpharhythm | A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session or you may have just clicked a menu or some application just decided to get focus. |
| 06:34.30 | alpharhythm | Try again. |
| 06:35.03 | dullu | can anyone tell me how i can learn abt various commands |
| 06:35.03 | romio | good night!, cutme... :-) |
| 06:35.12 | Rat409 | !pastebin |
| 06:35.13 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 06:35.24 | darius12_ | why insist on using a blocking call to /dev/random for certificates nobody is probably going to use anyway |
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| 06:35.48 | ^shark_ | dragonfly: http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1882 is my routing table and i am seeing network 128.0.0.0 and two confusing 0.0.0.0 networks the later i get this other confusing warning >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1883 i have tried to google and i am told its b'se of memory |
| 06:35.56 | dragonfly | dullu, can you be more specific? |
| 06:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rat409: perhaps you can help him further... he installed debian with grub and it stops - I told him about !fixmbr - that plust /boot/grub/menu.lst should at least give some useful information (I guess) |
| 06:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 06:36.47 | dragonfly | who are we helping with the grub problem? |
| 06:37.57 | romio | i have the grub problem - but my english and my knowledge about linux ist not very well |
| 06:38.30 | darius12_ | romio: what exactly is your problem? (I just arrived) |
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| 06:38.41 | dragonfly | ok, romio, the problem is when you try to boot? |
| 06:39.11 | dragonfly | ^shark_, did you set up the IP tables manually? |
| 06:39.46 | dullu | dragonfly, u type many commands in the terminal for various processes, i wantd 2 lrn these commands |
| 06:40.13 | dragonfly | dullu, the easiest way I have found is to think of something you want to be able to do and then google for it |
| 06:40.31 | dullu | hmmm.... gud idea |
| 06:40.35 | dullu | but |
| 06:40.41 | dullu | i did the same |
| 06:40.52 | RyanRyan52 | dullu: Also, if you want to learn about some command, type "man command" (where command is a real command) |
| 06:41.01 | dullu | actually i couldnt get the sound working in ma debian |
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| 06:41.08 | dullu | so i googled it out |
| 06:41.17 | quentusrex | Why the heck am I getting this error: Fetched 98.5MB in 1m57s (837kB/s) |
| 06:41.17 | quentusrex | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata |
| 06:41.25 | dullu | i found that i had 2 install the alsa drivers |
| 06:41.26 | romio | dari..: i have a suse-linux 10.0 on one harddisk and yesterday i installed on a seperate new harddisk debian. it did wery well (network install about internet); but at the first boot: gurb-error 21 |
| 06:41.29 | dullu | nd i did that |
| 06:41.32 | quentusrex | I'm trying to dist-upgrade from a fresh etch install to lenny |
| 06:41.39 | dullu | nd i executed certain commands |
| 06:41.50 | dullu | but still i couldnt get the sound working |
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| 06:42.04 | RyanRyan52 | dullu: what did you try? |
| 06:42.19 | romio | excuse me, i meand grub-error 21 |
| 06:42.31 | baz | hi guys, having problems with dh-make-perl |
| 06:42.48 | dragonfly | romio, when you installed Debian, what the HD with suse connected to the computer? |
| 06:43.03 | baz | it seems to be telling me that I can't install my module without LWP::UserAgent, but I already have that installed |
| 06:43.18 | ^shark_ | ragonfly: no i only edited the /etc/network/interfaces file >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1884 |
| 06:43.42 | RyanRyan52 | baz: usually you can't get help for debian packaging on this channel...if nobody answers try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 06:43.47 | romio | suse ist on the old hd (master, ~20 GB); debian on the new hd (slave, ~ 250 GB) |
| 06:44.13 | baz | RyanRyan52: more of a perl question I thought but thanks |
| 06:44.17 | ^shark_ | dragonfly: no i only edited the /etc/network/interfaces file like this >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1884 |
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| 06:44.29 | quentusrex | anyone know why I'm getting this error? |
| 06:44.31 | quentusrex | Fetched 98.5MB in 1m57s (837kB/s) |
| 06:44.31 | quentusrex | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata |
| 06:44.45 | dragonfly | quentusrex, when are you getting the error? |
| 06:45.11 | RyanRyan52 | dragonfly: he is trying to dist-upgrade to lenny |
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| 06:45.25 | quentusrex | I just installed a fresh install of debian i386 etch |
| 06:45.28 | dragonfly | romio, when you installed Debian did you choose to install Grub to the MBR? |
| 06:45.32 | quentusrex | and I'm trying to dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 06:45.42 | quentusrex | I have done nothing else. |
| 06:46.52 | romio | dragenfly: yes i think so ( i think it was at least) |
| 06:47.17 | dullu | actually i couldnt get the sound working in ma debian so i googled it out |
| 06:47.22 | quentusrex | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg457043.html |
| 06:47.27 | dullu | i found that i had 2 install the alsa drivers |
| 06:47.32 | quentusrex | There is a bug in the upgrade path from etch to lenny |
| 06:47.36 | dullu | nd i did that |
| 06:47.49 | dullu | nd i executed certain commands as give in google |
| 06:47.51 | quentusrex | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg457043.html |
| 06:47.56 | dullu | but still i couldnt get the sound working |
| 06:48.41 | RyanRyan52 | quentusrex: did u try the workaround it said to do? |
| 06:48.59 | ^shark_ | dragonfly: i dont know why i am seeing this in my routing table, i dont get the logic >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1885 |
| 06:49.00 | alpharhythm | when i try to start synaptic i get this error message: http://rafb.net/p/MirlU457.html |
| 06:49.10 | dragonfly | ^shark_, I just checked my route -n and I also have a 0.0.0.0 entry and my system seems to be working fine...but I don't have as many things in my list as you do |
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| 06:49.40 | dragonfly | dullu, try purging all your alsa drivers and starting from scratch to see if that helps |
| 06:49.45 | ^shark_ | dragonfly: best idea is delete some entries |
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| 06:50.17 | dragonfly | romio, does it even let you get in to the grub menu to check/change anything? |
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| 06:50.27 | gk8 | should this work in /etc/pam.d/ssh: auth required pam_listfile.so item=group sense=allow file=/etc/sshgroups.allow onerr=fail ? |
| 06:50.35 | dullu | i have applied all the alsa drivers |
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| 06:50.56 | dragonfly | dullu, as root run alsaconf |
| 06:51.12 | romio | dragenfly: no, but i have a knoppix-cd, so that i can boot ang get to the disks hda and hdb |
| 06:51.24 | dragonfly | open a terminal and then su (get to root) and then type: alsaconf |
| 06:51.39 | dullu | nd then |
| 06:51.50 | quentusrex | The work around for the etch->lenny upgrade works. |
| 06:52.00 | dragonfly | dullu, then it will get to a screen where you can select your sound card |
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| 06:53.05 | dragonfly | romio, you have double checked the master-slave configuration I'm sure, if that is all correct, try setting the Debian drive (currently slave) to master and leaving the other one unhooked for the moment and see if that does anything different |
| 06:53.48 | dullu | after dat? |
| 06:54.10 | dragonfly | dullu, after you select your sound card it should auto-set everything and the sound *should* be working |
| 06:54.16 | telexicon | is there a package somewhere for linux-mm kernel? |
| 06:54.20 | romio | dragon excuse my bad english: what ist unhooked? take it from the cabel? |
| 06:54.51 | dragonfly | yes romio...shut the computer off before you do that, but then unplug the cable from the drive and plug in as if you were using only one HD |
| 06:55.09 | romio | ok, i'll try |
| 06:55.49 | andrej | RyanRyan52 : two processes ... one owned by root, one by ntp ... |
| 06:55.50 | dragonfly | if that does no good, you could also try taking the 2nd drive out (or unplugging it) and seeing if your system will still boot as it did before |
| 06:55.54 | andrej | how odd |
| 06:56.35 | dullu | okkk thanq dradon fly, i'll try it out |
| 06:56.42 | RyanRyan52 | andrej: then it should work...creepy... |
| 06:57.17 | gk8 | nevermind, it works |
| 06:57.27 | dullu | can u tell me whether the kernel source is available in the directory |
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| 06:57.53 | dragonfly | dullu, if that doesn't work, it may be a driver issue in which case I would recommend using a live CD such as Knoppix and seeing if sound works there and if it does to check what drivers and such are loaded in the live CD |
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| 06:59.25 | andrej | Oh well ... time to get off the comp. thanks for the patience |
| 06:59.52 | andrej | i'm more used to install & configure stuff myself. |
| 07:00.20 | darius12_ | romio, dragonfly: grub error 21 is "selected disk does not exist" |
| 07:00.31 | dullu | is Knoppix an OS |
| 07:00.42 | andrej | heh |
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| 07:00.50 | darius12_ | grub may be getting confused as to which drive is actually the boot disk |
| 07:00.52 | dragonfly | dullu, yes Knoppix is an OS (it is a LiveCD) |
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| 07:01.22 | dragonfly | darius12_, that is what I was thinking which is why I was suggesting he try each drive individually to see if it makes a difference |
| 07:01.41 | darius12_ | romio: so switching the boot order on the bios might also help |
| 07:01.49 | dullu | so 2 get it i just have 2 burn the ISO image |
| 07:01.51 | quentusrex | if I only have a server install, how do I install gnome desktop? |
| 07:01.52 | dullu | is dat all |
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| 07:02.37 | dragonfly | dullu, yes, download the iso, burn it to disk and have the disk in when you power-up and boot from the CD |
| 07:02.49 | dullu | <quentusrex, if u want dat ans, go 2 fsfap room |
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| 07:02.59 | dullu | they will tell u clerly |
| 07:03.07 | quentusrex | fsfap? |
| 07:03.07 | dullu | we have done it just yestrdy |
| 07:03.12 | dullu | ya |
| 07:03.24 | quentusrex | no thanks |
| 07:03.31 | Rat409 | lol |
| 07:03.34 | quentusrex | what the apt-get package for the gnome enviroment. |
| 07:03.38 | quentusrex | what's* |
| 07:04.01 | Guerin | !search |
| 07:04.01 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 07:04.07 | dragonfly | darius12_, it also reminds me of a situation I have encountered when upgrading kernel versions with SATA HD, but it always gets farther then that just sometimes switches from sda to sdb or sdc |
| 07:04.13 | dragonfly | quentusrex, apt-cache search gnome |
| 07:04.16 | dullu | <quentusrex>, they have done it just yesterday, nd it succeeded |
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| 07:04.43 | dullu | or it shold be apt-get install gnome |
| 07:05.00 | darius12_ | dragonfly: not sure about that, kernel update cause grub to fail this early (this is stage1_5 we are talking about) |
| 07:05.12 | dragonfly | dullu, aptitude install gnome would be better than apt-get install gnome |
| 07:05.21 | darius12_ | I meant "should not cause ..." |
| 07:05.41 | dragonfly | darius12_, I agree, I was just saying it seems somewhat similar |
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| 07:06.34 | dragonfly | darius12_, with that problem I can get to the menu and use the 'edit' option to try different disk and then edit menu.lst when i find the one that works |
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| 07:06.53 | darius12_ | yep, the beauty of grub :-) |
| 07:07.38 | darius12_ | It is amazing from how many screwups you can actually recover in grub's menu / command-line |
| 07:08.05 | dullu | ya dragon fly i forgot that |
| 07:08.23 | dullu | both works i suppose |
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| 07:09.51 | dragonfly | dullu, I used to use apt-get for everything, but I read something awhile back saying aptitude command is better (safer) or something |
| 07:10.28 | dullu | in wat way dude |
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| 07:11.02 | romio | dragon: i tryd, but it did not boot, when i made the new disk to the master |
| 07:11.54 | dragonfly | i don't remember all the details but there was a reason for it |
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| 07:12.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:12.17 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 07:12.29 | dragonfly | romio, and you also tried without the new disk at all and just hte old disk the way it was before? |
| 07:12.36 | romio | dragon: but i saw now, that the new (slave) disk was not activated in bios - i activated it with "auto" and now i get grub-error 18 instead grub-error 21 |
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| 07:13.14 | romio | yes, i tryd also only the old disk: grub-error 21 |
| 07:13.57 | darius12_ | Grub Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS |
| 07:14.16 | darius12_ | old bios? |
| 07:15.11 | dragonfly | if 18 is a bios issue, we would rather have 21 :) |
| 07:15.22 | puff | I'm trying to setup ffmpeg on debian. So far I found this pretty good tutorial for ubuntu (http://escapegoat.org/2007/11/11/installing-ffmpeg-php-on-ubuntu-7-10) is there a similar tutorial for debian? |
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| 07:15.45 | darius12_ | dragonfly: 21 looks like a bios issue too |
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| 07:16.03 | dragonfly | ubuntu is a Debian clone....pretty much anything that works on Ubuntu will work on Debian (in my experience anyway) |
| 07:16.29 | puff | dragonfly: Yeah, I tried it, but failed on the first step, liblame-dev. |
| 07:16.59 | dragonfly | what about liblame-dev |
| 07:17.43 | puff | dragonfly: sudo aptitude search lame doesn't turn up liblame-dev. |
| 07:18.55 | dragonfly | puff, what happens when you try "aptitude install ffmpeg" |
| 07:18.55 | darius12_ | romio: Here is a suggestion: Boot from knoppix, make sure that grub is installed in the first (old) disk and that this disk is first in the boot sequence (before the other one anyway) |
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| 07:19.03 | puff | There's libtwolame-dev |
| 07:19.43 | darius12_ | romio: then just configure the menu.lst of this grub to also boot the partitions of the other disk |
| 07:20.09 | darius12_ | romio: this way you avoid error 18 and you can boot both distros. |
| 07:20.13 | dragonfly | puff, you can aptitude install that as well |
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| 07:21.27 | darius12_ | I 'm sorry that I don't have the time to spell this in more detail, but my guess is that grub is installed in both disks or only in the second (new) at the moment |
| 07:21.46 | darius12_ | and this is the cause of your grief |
| 07:22.17 | dragonfly | darius12_, I was thinking so too, but he said he tried with each one individually to no avail |
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| 07:22.40 | loll | Is there anyone here experienced at sipts? |
| 07:22.44 | loll | scripts? |
| 07:22.46 | puff | dragonfly: Well, it's about decoders. |
| 07:22.56 | dragonfly | loll, scripts for what? |
| 07:23.01 | darius12_ | dragonfly: yep, but when he tried only the old disk the only feedback was "It didn't boot" I.e., no error |
| 07:23.02 | lymeca | I just installed sshfs and fuse on my Debian etch server and I want to use it |
| 07:23.04 | dragonfly | puff, what about them |
| 07:23.10 | lymeca | Do I have to reboot for /dev/fuse to be created though? |
| 07:23.20 | quentusrex | can someone help me track down the ssl-cert bug? |
| 07:23.22 | dragonfly | if it's not here then yes |
| 07:23.30 | dragonfly | a reboot never hurt anything |
| 07:23.32 | romio | darius12_, dragonfly: darius12_: you are right, i think, grub ist installed in both disks |
| 07:23.36 | lymeca | dragonfly: Was that to me? |
| 07:23.40 | quentusrex | During the dist-upgrade from etch to lenny it hangs at ssl-cert |
| 07:24.02 | loll | dragonfly: Sorry I shouldnt say scripts. I have some source code and have identified an error i how it tries to identify PAGE_SIZE, however I do not know if my workaround actually solves it, and need a hand |
| 07:24.09 | darius12_ | romio: when you reboot with only the old disk. what happens exactly |
| 07:24.15 | darius12_ | ? |
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| 07:24.23 | simonrvn | lymeca: no. modprobe those modules |
| 07:24.36 | simonrvn | lymeca: reboot is rarely necessary |
| 07:24.40 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 07:24.40 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 07:24.43 | romio | darius12_: grub-error 21 |
| 07:25.08 | lymeca | simonrvn: What modules do I need to modprobe? |
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| 07:25.23 | lymeca | I tried "modprobe fuse" and it still complains that /dev/fuse doesn't exist |
| 07:25.25 | darius12_ | romio: but It *used* to boot with only this disk before you installed the new one, right? |
| 07:25.30 | simonrvn | fuse and sshfs |
| 07:25.52 | lymeca | # modprobe sshfs |
| 07:25.52 | lymeca | FATAL: Module sshfs not found. |
| 07:26.30 | darius12_ | romio: so I suggest to use knoppix to reinstall grub on this disk. |
| 07:26.39 | romio | it worked well, but since yesterday i changed a litte .../grub/menu.lst manually |
| 07:27.07 | darius12_ | romio, at the stage where it is failing it hasn't read the menu.lst yet |
| 07:27.13 | simonrvn | lymeca: depmod -aA |
| 07:27.18 | dragonfly | loll, if it's source for a programming language, go to a room for that language |
| 07:27.22 | darius12_ | so this can't be it |
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| 07:28.00 | quentusrex | how do I install an unstable module on a testing system? |
| 07:28.10 | quentusrex | or install a stable module on a testing system? |
| 07:28.15 | darius12_ | romio: this is why I suggest reinstallation of grub to this disk |
| 07:28.28 | lymeca | simonrvn: That didn't appear to do anything |
| 07:28.40 | quentusrex | I have to install either ssl-cert 1.0.14 or 1.0.16, because 1.0.15 is broke. |
| 07:28.46 | darius12_ | romio: You can boot from knoppix, chroot to the old distro and do the install from there |
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| 07:28.59 | simonrvn | lymeca: wouldn't, and my bad, sshfs isn't a module =) |
| 07:29.10 | romio | coult this be a problem: when i put the new disk in the system, i did not activat it in bios? |
| 07:29.23 | darius12_ | romio: I really wish I could provide some more hand-holding but I really should leave now. |
| 07:29.25 | romio | but i could install on the new dixk |
| 07:29.57 | romio | ok, much thanks darius12_ :-) |
| 07:30.01 | simonrvn | lymeca: now you just gotta mount whatever host to wherever |
| 07:30.02 | lymeca | simonrvn: Any idea on how to get sshfs t owork then? |
| 07:30.24 | simonrvn | lymeca: the readme in /usr/share/doc/sshfs will tell you what you to do |
| 07:30.28 | lymeca | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 07:30.30 | darius12_ | romio: you seemingly cannot boot from the new disk because of your bios (the error 18). CU |
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| 07:31.01 | simonrvn | meh. lymeca, check lsmod, do you see fuse at the top? |
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| 07:31.48 | puff | Weird, aptitude can't find checkinstall. |
| 07:32.32 | puff | Hm, /etc/apt/sources.list contains a single line: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian etch main |
| 07:32.37 | puff | Could that be the issue? |
| 07:32.55 | simonrvn | um. you need security too. no |
| 07:32.57 | lymeca | simonrvn: yes fuse is up top, used by 0 |
| 07:33.01 | simonrvn | !security |
| 07:33.02 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 07:33.02 | puff | This box was set up by a friend of mine to be a production system. |
| 07:33.41 | simonrvn | unless checkinstall is in non-fe (i doubt it), i don't think so |
| 07:33.45 | simonrvn | free* |
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| 07:34.08 | simonrvn | lymeca: ok, so still no /dev/fuse (check with ls ;)? |
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| 07:36.48 | lymeca | simonrvn: Still no /dev/fuse |
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| 07:39.10 | puff | So that apt server I pasted earlier, is that the full apt repository or some sort of limited apt repository? |
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| 07:40.38 | simonrvn | lymeca:you running udev right? |
| 07:41.13 | lymeca | simonrvn: It's not in my process list or lsmod output |
| 07:41.15 | simonrvn | puff: your sources.list is incomplete, you need security there (and adding non-free won't hurt, to the first one) |
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| 07:41.31 | streuner | lymeca: dpkg -l udev |
| 07:41.35 | simonrvn | lymeca: wouldn't be in lsmod |
| 07:42.01 | lymeca | I got a weird output for that command |
| 07:42.10 | lymeca | The package is uninstalled |
| 07:42.11 | simonrvn | if you're not, then you make the device file yourself |
| 07:42.18 | simonrvn | ah ok, ^^^ |
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| 07:43.09 | bogu | does any .deb exists for openssh-hpn? I tried to rebuid it but it fails miserably on my system |
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| 07:43.38 | simonrvn | lymeca: mknod -m 660 /dev/fuse c 10 229; chgrp fuse /dev/fuse |
| 07:44.09 | lymeca | simonrvn, streuner: should I install udev or execute that command? |
| 07:44.23 | puff | Which backports should I be using with etch? |
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| 07:44.28 | simonrvn | lymeca: don't bother with installing it, it's not necessary |
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| 07:44.56 | streuner | udev is nowadays pretty painless |
| 07:45.02 | simonrvn | puff: see backports.org; and it's optional, you know ;) |
| 07:45.31 | simonrvn | streuner: yeh, i'm rather shocked my server booted |
| 07:45.46 | puff | Hm, odd, so even with non-free and contrib, checkinstall ins't there. |
| 07:45.54 | puff | Oh, update. |
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| 07:45.57 | simonrvn | some stupid dep pulled it in, and decided to give it a chance |
| 07:46.02 | streuner | simonrvn: well, me too, it just worked since a long time here *without* any problems :-) |
| 07:46.11 | puff | Nope, sitll no chekcinstall. |
| 07:46.20 | simonrvn | !info checkinstall |
| 07:46.29 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 07:46.33 | simonrvn | !info checkinstall lenny |
| 07:46.36 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 07:46.39 | jim | puff: apt-get update doesn't install anything |
| 07:46.45 | simonrvn | !info checkinstall etch |
| 07:46.57 | jim | what it does is pull in files that identify and locate packages |
| 07:47.01 | simonrvn | ah, it's missing from etch |
| 07:47.04 | puff | jim: Hm? No, but it updates apt's database so search will find it if it's there. |
| 07:47.24 | jim | oh, you know that already :) cool :) |
| 07:47.30 | simonrvn | it's in the other two. must've been a bad enough bug to keep it out for the release |
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| 07:47.44 | puff | so, back to the topic of backports :-) |
| 07:47.54 | jim | what's checkinstll supposed to do? |
| 07:47.56 | simonrvn | yeh, do the backports ;) |
| 07:48.19 | simonrvn | makes a very rough .deb of a home built source tree |
| 07:48.25 | jim | ahh |
| 07:48.42 | jim | sorta like dh_make without any further effort |
| 07:48.47 | simonrvn | it's not very elegant, but does the job |
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| 07:50.01 | puff | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 07:50.03 | simonrvn | instead of doing ./configure --foo --bar; make; make install; you do ./configure --foo --bar; make; checkinstall (or whatever, been a while...) |
| 07:50.19 | jim | ok so get that key |
| 07:50.36 | jim | and then feed it to apt-key |
| 07:50.39 | puff | jim: How? |
| 07:50.48 | jim | umm :) I forgot :) |
| 07:50.59 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 07:51.04 | puff | apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 07:51.36 | jim | what's debian-backports? that have to do with backports.org? or did debian decide to house backports? |
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| 07:52.02 | streuner | etch-backports are part of pdo now |
| 07:52.23 | jim | nice |
| 07:52.30 | streuner | backports.org is almost official |
| 07:53.22 | jim | so now you can report a bug to b.d.o against a backport? |
| 07:53.41 | simonrvn | streuner: oh it is? |
| 07:53.47 | simonrvn | i need to go check this |
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| 07:54.21 | streuner | jim: no idea, there is a channel (backports devel) |
| 07:54.39 | streuner | or simply mail the maint, but wait :-) |
| 07:54.48 | trombo | Please: I put the home partition to another system and then remote backup scripts could not login to user "bk" automatically any more. 2 interactive messages blocked: " WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED!" and "authenticity of host 'r84.ath.cx (85.178.69.121)' can't be established." I fixed it manually. |
| 07:54.53 | trombo | Are there any sshoptions to avoid them in future (on my own risk)? |
| 07:55.32 | simonrvn | your ssh key changed? |
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| 07:56.16 | gkk | etch, modified /etc/pam.d/su to enable pam_wheel. for group=wheel, but I can't su when user is in wheel group |
| 07:56.19 | gkk | any ideas? |
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| 07:56.36 | puff | Dangit, *still* no checkinstall... |
| 07:56.41 | jim | dpkg likes it when you say any ideas |
| 07:56.50 | trombo | simonrvn: new sys new key I suppose |
| 07:56.58 | jim | dpkg: any ideas? |
| 07:56.58 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 07:57.25 | puff | Argh. |
| 07:57.27 | gkk | auth.log says pam_authentication: Authentication failure\n FAILED su for root by myUser |
| 07:57.53 | simonrvn | trombo: for this sort of thing "I suppose" isn't good enough. you need to know this |
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| 07:58.25 | jim | bbl |
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| 07:59.29 | quentusrex | why am I getting this error: |
| 07:59.38 | quentusrex | Package python-paramiko is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 07:59.38 | quentusrex | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 07:59.38 | quentusrex | is only available from another source |
| 07:59.38 | quentusrex | E: Package python-paramiko has no installation candidate |
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| 07:59.54 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:59.58 | gkk | because there is no installation canditate for this package |
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| 08:00.05 | tralala | !+tell quentusrex -about paste |
| 08:00.06 | dpkg | told quentusrex about paste. |
| 08:00.07 | quentusrex | oops |
| 08:00.11 | quentusrex | sorry |
| 08:00.19 | quentusrex | why am I getting the error though? |
| 08:00.27 | gkk | because there is no installation canditate for this package |
| 08:00.29 | simonrvn | gkk> because there is no installation canditate for this package |
| 08:00.41 | gkk | packages.debian.org |
| 08:00.44 | streuner | jim: it depends on the issue (problem) |
| 08:00.57 | quentusrex | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-paramiko |
| 08:01.10 | trombo | simonrvn:RSA host key for host.dyndns.org has changed. |
| 08:01.18 | gkk | as you can see it's in lenny |
| 08:01.21 | gkk | and not in etch |
| 08:01.29 | quentusrex | my OS is lenny now |
| 08:01.36 | gkk | are you sure ? |
| 08:01.39 | quentusrex | I just finished the upgrade |
| 08:01.40 | gkk | you did dist-upgrade? |
| 08:01.42 | quentusrex | yup |
| 08:01.58 | quentusrex | I even had to install the unstable package for ssl-cert to make lenny work. |
| 08:02.01 | puff | Okay, so i'm trying to get ffmpeg, ffmpeg-php lib, and various extra decoders (wma, etc). |
| 08:02.09 | simonrvn | trombo: host being your box, right? so it's safe to remove the line it's whining about in ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
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| 08:02.37 | puff | ffmpeg installs no prob. To get the ffmpeg-php lib I'll need to download ffmpeg source from cvs and then build the library, then checkinstall it and install via apt. |
| 08:02.46 | simonrvn | trombo: you don't want some asshole doing a MitM attack or such |
| 08:02.59 | gkk | quentusrex, i don't belive that you have lenny |
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| 08:03.12 | gkk | paste your sources.list somewhere |
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| 08:03.38 | quentusrex | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 08:04.34 | trombo | simonrvn: its a trade off, I need to avoid that automatic-backup is blocked-. |
| 08:04.36 | gkk | mind putting contrib and non-free there too ? |
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| 08:05.42 | trombo | simonrvn: would like to put "whining" off, at own risk. |
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| 08:07.14 | gkk | is there a way to log pam.d ? |
| 08:07.19 | quentusrex | if I have the .deb file, how do I install it? |
| 08:07.20 | gkk | other than auth.log' |
| 08:07.22 | gkk | i need more output |
| 08:07.27 | quentusrex | apt-get ??????? *.deb |
| 08:07.32 | gkk | dpkg -i some.deb |
| 08:07.39 | gkk | )) |
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| 08:08.37 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:08.57 | quentusrex | why the heck am I able to download the paramiko package for python from debian packages, but apt-get can't get it. |
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| 08:09.15 | quentusrex | And why is it that it requires python-crypto, but apt-get can't get that one either. |
| 08:09.55 | gkk | apt-get update |
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| 08:11.50 | quentusrex | why is it that all new packages don't have install candidates? |
| 08:11.54 | quentusrex | I can't install anything.... |
| 08:12.03 | gkk | did you do apt-get update ?? |
| 08:12.15 | gkk | and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:12.19 | quentusrex | aah, sec |
| 08:13.23 | quentusrex | my apt/preferences file was f'ed up |
| 08:13.24 | gkk | but still' |
| 08:13.27 | gkk | see |
| 08:13.59 | tsrepadmin | Hi there. Does anybody success to install libapache2-mod-python with apt? my apache always serves my .py files for download |
| 08:14.13 | gkk | is there a better way to trace su sequence? |
| 08:14.48 | gkk | tsrepadmin, after installing did you enable the mod ? |
| 08:15.01 | tsrepadmin | how? |
| 08:15.04 | gkk | tsrepadmin, by makind symlinks of load and conf to mods-enabled |
| 08:15.08 | gkk | making* |
| 08:15.12 | tsrepadmin | you mean in apache2.conf ? |
| 08:15.15 | gkk | no |
| 08:15.23 | tsrepadmin | oh, yeah it's enabled there |
| 08:15.38 | petemc | tsrepadmin: look in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 08:15.44 | tsrepadmin | but there is no .conf in mods-available |
| 08:16.19 | rox | how would one copy a tarball over scp on the fly, without writing it to a local disk? |
| 08:16.44 | joltcan | rox: http://ultra.ap.krakow.pl/~bar/DOC/ssh_backup.html |
| 08:16.45 | gkk | tsrepadmin, then you |
| 08:16.48 | petemc | rox: you would pipe it through ssh |
| 08:16.52 | gkk | 'll have to create conf i thinkg |
| 08:16.53 | tsrepadmin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72 Sep 5 2005 mime_magic.load |
| 08:16.53 | tsrepadmin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64 Mar 9 2007 mod_python.load |
| 08:16.53 | tsrepadmin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 74 Mar 27 2007 negotiation.load |
| 08:16.54 | gkk | think* |
| 08:17.00 | rox | petemc: ssh you say? |
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| 08:17.14 | tsrepadmin | petemc thats whats in mods-available |
| 08:17.36 | rox | petemc: you mean no scp, but rather ssh |
| 08:17.38 | petemc | tsrepadmin: sounds like you need a handler for .py |
| 08:17.43 | petemc | rox: no, i mean ssh |
| 08:17.48 | petemc | erm, right |
| 08:18.04 | rox | petemc && joltcan: thank you for the info |
| 08:18.11 | petemc | google for tar ssh |
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| 08:18.54 | joltcan | petemc: Or he can just read the link I pasted |
| 08:19.14 | petemc | joltcan: he could indeed |
| 08:19.35 | tsrepadmin | petemc: i have a handler. but it seems like the browser is caching the old style. i opened a new browser instance now - now the requestet .py file doesn't get found |
| 08:19.44 | rox | petemc && joltcan: i got it, it works |
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| 08:22.00 | gkk | tsrepadmin, try this http://pastebin.com/m42e3bac0 |
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| 08:23.01 | simonrvn | trombo: mm, there's a way to do this this safely, but i can't remember how. i'd suggest you go read the ssh manuals, that's where i think i saw it |
| 08:23.14 | troubled | simonrvn |
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| 08:23.56 | codeblock | I want to make a svn server.. already have everything else, ssh, httpd, sql, etc... just need svn.. I tried following here: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn and it works but you need an ssh password to retreive files.. How do i make it so users can anonymously check out files from the svn server? |
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| 08:25.19 | tsrepadmin | gkk: i have this already. now the problem is the following: [Fri Feb 22 08:24:26 2008] [notice] [client 87.234.28.66] Publisher loading page /var/www/firecode/hello.py |
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| 08:25.38 | tsrepadmin | The DocumentRoor is /var/www/firecode |
| 08:25.59 | gkk | so? publisher doesnt display it ? |
| 08:26.17 | tsrepadmin | gkk: yes |
| 08:26.29 | tsrepadmin | publisher return 404 |
| 08:26.36 | gkk | and nothing more echoed than this notice ? |
| 08:26.41 | gkk | check permissions |
| 08:26.56 | trombo | simonrvn: k thx |
| 08:27.51 | tsrepadmin | gkk: 775 www-data ftponly |
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| 08:29.17 | gkk | hello.py perms |
| 08:29.17 | simonrvn | trombo: good luck; oh, adding each host to that, and giving each host a unique hostname will help ;) |
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| 08:29.56 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
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| 08:30.05 | metbsd | hi budy |
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| 08:30.29 | uzbek | is there a small application where i can visually choose a color and get its hex value? |
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| 08:30.52 | gkk | yes there is |
| 08:30.52 | uzbek | very light |
| 08:30.56 | tsrepadmin | gkk: that are the hello.py perms |
| 08:30.57 | troubled | uzbek: possible any OS backgroun color picker |
| 08:30.59 | gkk | but i can |
| 08:31.03 | gkk | 't recall the name |
| 08:31.18 | troubled | uzbek: unless you mean a teardrop type tool, in which case gimp? |
| 08:31.26 | gkk | tsrepadmin02c7, and no other info in apache2.log ? |
| 08:31.44 | troubled | uzbek: actually, i think i mean eyedrop, but still |
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| 08:31.59 | uzbek | gimp background/foreground color picker does the job, but i wanted something lighter |
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| 08:32.18 | Miranda | uzbek: like? |
| 08:32.26 | Miranda | uzbek: you can use web colors |
| 08:32.56 | Miranda | HTML... well later.. :-D |
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| 08:32.59 | tsrepadmin | gkk: it runs, it was a fault test script |
| 08:33.08 | troubled | uzbek: ever try set your desktop background to a solid color before? |
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| 08:33.16 | tsrepadmin | seems that i cannot run every pythin script with mod_pythin |
| 08:33.35 | uzbek | troubled, no |
| 08:34.03 | uzbek | troubled, i use xfce4 |
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| 08:34.37 | troubled | uzbek: ive not really used X as much as I would like, but sometimes they can give you a hex color, although its manual selection, no fancy tools to select a macthing color from an image that ive seen |
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| 08:34.50 | tsrepadmin | gkk: do you also know how to enable mailman in apache? |
| 08:35.08 | uzbek | troubled, thanx anyway! |
| 08:35.15 | troubled | uzbek: np, gl with it |
| 08:35.24 | uzbek | :) |
| 08:36.55 | need-help | hi |
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| 08:37.18 | troubled | need-help: let me guess, you need some help? ;) |
| 08:37.22 | troubled | heya |
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| 08:37.51 | need-help | i would like to put messages wehn my debian is booting up |
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| 08:38.08 | need-help | which is visible on console |
| 08:38.14 | need-help | any idea |
| 08:38.15 | troubled | can you elaborate? |
| 08:38.37 | need-help | yes |
| 08:39.00 | need-help | when my debian has finished boot up |
| 08:39.16 | troubled | you mean /etc/issue? |
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| 08:39.19 | need-help | i would like to show messages |
| 08:39.24 | need-help | ahh maybe |
| 08:39.29 | need-help | let me see |
| 08:39.32 | need-help | thank you |
| 08:39.34 | troubled | well, issue file wont show images, its text only |
| 08:39.49 | need-help | text enough |
| 08:39.50 | troubled | for images you need a frame buffer console mode on boot |
| 08:40.00 | need-help | i dont use gui |
| 08:40.27 | tsrepadmin | does anybody installed mailman ? i dont't know how to use it in aoache configuration |
| 08:40.30 | tsrepadmin | apache |
| 08:40.31 | troubled | FB console is like SVGA text console. slightly slower usually, but amazing quality text and background images |
| 08:41.13 | troubled | need-help: example of a FB console: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=2241 |
| 08:41.52 | need-help | i see |
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| 08:42.22 | troubled | usually great since you get more space to use |
| 08:42.25 | gkk | hmm |
| 08:42.30 | troubled | ie: > 80x25 |
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| 08:42.40 | need-help | ahh i see |
| 08:42.44 | gkk | how can I default (etch) all files in /etc/pam.d/ ? |
| 08:42.52 | need-help | but i really dont use graphics |
| 08:42.59 | need-help | only shell |
| 08:43.01 | troubled | !conf-miss |
| 08:43.05 | troubled | !confmiss |
| 08:43.05 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 08:43.18 | troubled | gkk: try that on the pam package perhaps ^^^^ |
| 08:43.32 | gkk | its not missing :D I messed those up :P |
| 08:43.37 | gkk | and can't su anymore |
| 08:43.46 | need-help | ok i will to troubled |
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| 08:43.54 | troubled | gkk: cant you just login as root? |
| 08:43.55 | need-help | thank you very much |
| 08:43.59 | need-help | for help |
| 08:44.04 | troubled | need-help: np |
| 08:44.10 | need-help | :-) |
| 08:44.12 | gkk | troubled, yes and changed all back as default |
| 08:44.14 | gkk | but still can't su' |
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| 08:44.54 | troubled | sorry, dont really do pam |
| 08:45.07 | troubled | it gives you heaven at the cost of hell imho |
| 08:45.27 | gkk | ) |
| 08:46.16 | Penix | gkk: what's "can't su" mean? it tells you 'incorrect password' or something when you give it the right one? |
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| 08:47.26 | Penix | troubled: heh. wenas |
| 08:47.30 | troubled | heh |
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| 08:48.06 | gkk | Penix: Authentication failure |
| 08:49.17 | Penix | gkk: paste the output of ls -l /bin/su |
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| 08:53.17 | gkk | Penix: -r-xr-x---1 root wheel 27000 2007-02-27 9:53 /bin/su |
| 08:53.29 | Penix | gkk: the suid bit isn't set |
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| 08:53.41 | gkk | indeed |
| 08:53.45 | gkk | thanks :) |
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| 08:56.11 | kantor | I know that this is a C related question, but maybe somebody can help me: how can I detect if a kernel uses the sg, SCSI driver dynamically ? I mean not using macros |
| 08:56.15 | troubled | Penix: good catch |
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| 08:57.04 | troubled | kantor: you mean module vs. compiled in directly? |
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| 08:58.52 | kantor | trombo, I mean that if a program detects with the #ifdef SG_IO macro if a kernel uses the sg driver and you compile it on that kernel, on a older kernel where there is no sg driver the program won't run, so I want to detect the sg driver dynamically at runtime, not at compile time |
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| 08:59.19 | troubled | ah, no idea |
| 08:59.47 | troubled | why not just check for min kernel version? |
| 08:59.56 | Penix | kantor: you could read /boot/config-foo I guess |
| 09:00.00 | troubled | surely they have a define for the kernel major ver? |
| 09:00.06 | Penix | pretty sure |
| 09:00.26 | kantor | Penix, ok thanks ;-) |
| 09:00.45 | ivant | hi |
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| 09:02.26 | gkk5 | thanks Penix |
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| 09:02.30 | ivant | I'm trying to install debian from testing netinst iso and I've got a problem with mounting lvm partitions which are in the encrypted container (cryptsetup) |
| 09:02.33 | gkk5 | didn't notice that myself |
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| 09:03.07 | ivant | The error message I get from mount is: "mount: Mounting /dev/mapper/volumes-root on /target failed: Invalid argument" |
| 09:03.30 | Penix | gkk: np |
| 09:03.31 | ivant | how can I figure out what's going wrong? There are no messages in log |
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| 09:04.02 | suwro | !mailscanner |
| 09:04.03 | ivant | before mounting I did mkfs.xfs /dev/mapper/volumes-root and it worked just fine |
| 09:04.09 | suwro | hello |
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| 09:04.54 | suwro | anyone has problem with mailscanner after curent dist-upgrade ?? |
| 09:04.59 | suwro | Global symbol "$FIELD_NAME" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Message.pm line 6367.Global symbol "$FIELD_NAME" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Message.pm line 6370. |
| 09:05.00 | troubled | ivant: cryptsetup luksDump /dev/<vg>/root |
| 09:05.10 | suwro | Variable "$FIELD_NAME" is not imported at /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Message.pm line 6367 |
| 09:05.27 | suwro | I can't uninstall mailscanner or re-install-it - same error. |
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| 09:07.11 | Penix | suwro: http://bugs.debian.org/465095 |
| 09:07.27 | ivant | troubled, nothing specific there: one key enabled, aes. I have physical volume encrypted, not logical volumes |
| 09:07.43 | ivant | troubled, it was "cryptsetup luksDump /dev/hda3" for me |
| 09:08.04 | troubled | ivant: long as it files a luks :) |
| 09:08.18 | troubled | ivant: what does file -s /dev/mapper/volumes-root say? |
| 09:09.24 | troubled | ivant: word of advice? put crypto on lv's. gives the option to store stuff that doesnt need crypto in the vg without the performance impact. and gpg sig's on the file contents can help deal with offline tampering |
| 09:09.32 | ivant | troubled, argh, there is no "file" in the netinst image |
| 09:09.53 | troubled | :( |
| 09:10.23 | troubled | ivant: could always dd the first few bytes to a file and run the check on another machine |
| 09:10.24 | ivant | troubled, then it would be harder to use — you need to unlock all of the encrypted volumes |
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| 09:10.48 | troubled | ivant: or you can put the keys in the crypted root and use cryptab |
| 09:10.56 | Free-Thinker | hey guys. anybody uses here oracle sql developer? the problem that they have only rpm version to download? anyone tryed to convert it to deb? thanks |
| 09:11.15 | suwro | Penix: Thank You! |
| 09:11.46 | Penix | suwro: you're welcome. the bts is your friend. use it wisely |
| 09:12.00 | suwro | Penix: i'll keep that in mind. |
| 09:12.31 | ivant | troubled, I have the same setup working on another laptop — there were no problems. I have a feeling that mount in the netinst image cannot see use some module (because it's not loaded) or something |
| 09:13.15 | troubled | ivant: i assume you are attempting a rescue? |
| 09:13.32 | troubled | ivant: have you tried activating the vg etc? |
| 09:14.00 | ivant | troubled, I mean, I really believe that partition contents is good: mkfs.xfs says that it is already formatted when I run it again. VG is activated (otherwise mkfs wouldn't have worked) |
| 09:14.29 | ivant | troubled, no, setting up Debian on an empty disk on a new (or rather old) laptop |
| 09:14.36 | troubled | ah |
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| 09:15.04 | troubled | ivant: have you tried just mkfs.ext2/3 and mount it? |
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| 09:15.56 | ivant | troubled, let me try |
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| 09:16.57 | embkas | I'm trying to chose mplayerplug-in as mediaplayer to play wmv-video in firefox - I try to browse for it, but can't find it - where do i find mplayerplugin? |
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| 09:17.32 | ivant | troubled, okay, after I formatted it as ext3, mount worked |
| 09:17.35 | suwro | Penix: damn - i can't remove mailscanner - still same error |
| 09:17.44 | ivant | troubled, xfs module is loaded |
| 09:17.48 | troubled | ivant: *shrug* dont use xfs |
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| 09:17.54 | suwro | invoke-rc.d: initscript mailscanner, action "start" failed. |
| 09:18.10 | ivant | troubled, what do you suggest? I won't use ext2/3 and reiserfs for sure |
| 09:18.14 | troubled | ivant: *I* dont use xfs i mean... |
| 09:18.23 | ivant | troubled, ah |
| 09:18.26 | troubled | ivant: im an ext man myself |
| 09:18.44 | Penix | suwro: I thought you wanted to keep mailscanner... |
| 09:19.01 | troubled | ivant: do you really need / fs to have xfs? or do you want it more for /var and /home? |
| 09:19.25 | suwro | Penix: i do - but i downgrade libmailtools-perl ans I still have the error |
| 09:19.51 | suwro | Penix: before downgrading - I had mailscanner on dpkg hanged for removal |
| 09:20.10 | piju | ShredZ; hello there |
| 09:20.26 | piju | ShredZ; #piju plz |
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| 09:21.01 | freezer | hi |
| 09:21.03 | Penix | suwro: so, mailscanner was going to be removed before you touched libmailtools-perl? |
| 09:21.20 | freezer | i enabled HPET support in the kernel, but it looks like it's not active, how can this be? |
| 09:21.29 | suwro | yes |
| 09:21.37 | ivant | troubled, I have decided to use single partition for everything except /var/log and /tmp on this laptop (person who's going to use it doesn't want lvm resizing hassles) |
| 09:21.49 | suwro | Penix: I commented init.d script start and stop and mailscanner is now removed |
| 09:21.55 | troubled | ivant: kinda defeats the purpose of lvm imho |
| 09:21.59 | suwro | Penix: i'll try a reinstall |
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| 09:22.22 | Penix | suwro: yeah, remove mailscanner, then install the old libmailtools-perl, then reinstall the new mailscanner |
| 09:22.44 | troubled | ivant: although etch lvm isnt as good as sarge was for resize. used to be automatic with ext2/3, not its fubar so badly its a manual job last time i checked :/ |
| 09:22.46 | suwro | Penix: I am doing it right now... |
| 09:22.53 | ivant | troubled, thus I can have all the partitions encrypted |
| 09:22.54 | troubled | s/not/now/ |
| 09:23.12 | troubled | ivant: i do mine on a per lv basis as I need encryption. works good here |
| 09:23.33 | troubled | ivant: plus i can properly urandom the dev's instead of zeroing like netinstall does |
| 09:23.52 | ivant | troubled, well, you still have lvm then :-) |
| 09:23.57 | troubled | less hassle, easier recover if you have a few non crypto lv's with recovery data etc |
| 09:24.14 | ivant | troubled, I urandom'ed the contents before :-) |
| 09:24.48 | troubled | ivant: how hard is it to: lvcreate -L 1G -n test volmes ; cryptsetup luksFormat .... ; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/volumes/test? |
| 09:25.40 | ivant | troubled, it's arguably easier to dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda, but we digress :-) |
| 09:25.58 | troubled | ivant: theres a program called gen-ssl-key that you can use for luks as well to save and use in /etc/cryptab |
| 09:26.10 | kgoetz | i have a question about iceweasels rules file. is here an apropriate place to ask about it? |
| 09:26.41 | ivant | troubled, well, anyway, the problem is not in luks or lvm now, it's in xfs. Just checked, jfs works too |
| 09:26.49 | troubled | ivant: sure, but its a longer install. with per lv i can do it as needed |
| 09:27.26 | troubled | ivant: wonder if mount has detection issues with xfs? |
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| 09:31.14 | ivant | troubled, I tried mount -t xfs, didn't help. I'm continuing with jfs |
| 09:31.24 | ivant | troubled, thanks for help |
| 09:31.30 | Penix | ivant: excellent choice sir |
| 09:31.31 | troubled | np, gl with it |
| 09:31.53 | troubled | Penix: a fan of jfs are we? |
| 09:32.00 | Penix | indeed |
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| 09:32.13 | troubled | wasnt that the one that had link issues or something? |
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| 09:32.43 | Penix | *shrug* never had any problem with it in...~5 years or so |
| 09:32.45 | ivant | Penix, is it possible to resize the jfs partition (extend at least)? |
| 09:32.48 | Penix | ivant: yes |
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| 09:32.53 | troubled | seem to recall haveing a fancy fs for a mirror repo once, it was limited somehow |
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| 09:37.22 | gan | i am getting error while booting the livecd |
| 09:38.52 | Penix | how does that make you fell? |
| 09:38.56 | Penix | or feel even |
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| 09:40.59 | gan | i am trying to make a live cd for the kernel 2.6.22-3-486, through qemu i bootd it is not able to detect the aufs module |
| 09:41.17 | JustSoul | What package works with pdf (edit) ? |
| 09:42.20 | gan | what to do |
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| 09:45.02 | wols_ | JustSoul: define "works with" |
| 09:45.32 | jelly | "edit" |
| 09:45.49 | gan | i am trying to make a live cd for the kernel 2.6.22-3-486, through qemu i bootd it is not able to detect the aufs module |
| 09:45.52 | wols_ | editing pdf is kinda hard. at most you have pdf forms |
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| 09:46.13 | wols_ | GeorgeA: how did you make it? |
| 09:46.21 | wols_ | and did you find your aufs.ko module? |
| 09:46.37 | jelly | gan: what's that module supposed to do? |
| 09:46.54 | jelly | wols_: your tab key fails |
| 09:47.04 | gan | jelly, it has to uncompress the compressed data |
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| 09:47.55 | jelly | gan: and is it available with that kernel package at all? if it is, did you make sure it's available in the initrd as well? |
| 09:48.02 | maligor | JustSoul, I think scribus can open them, never tried tho |
| 09:48.21 | jelly | no /aufs.ko in my 2.6.23-1-686 |
| 09:48.42 | wols_ | jelly: auto fs. it combines a read only fs and some file storage or other fs to make his live cd appear to be writable |
| 09:48.44 | gan | before compressing we should install the deb pkg , it is there in the compressed data |
| 09:49.09 | freezer | compress ur ass |
| 09:49.17 | gan | jelly, before compressing we should install the deb pkg of aufs , it is there in the compressed file |
| 09:49.32 | wols_ | !info aufs-modules-2.6-486 |
| 09:49.35 | dpkg | aufs-modules-2.6-486: (Driver for a stackable unification filesystem modules for Linux 2.6 on x86), section admin, is optional. Version: 2:2.6.24-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 09:50.05 | jelly | gan: did you remake the initramfs image to include that module? Note, I have no idea about the procedure to make a livecd, just guessing |
| 09:50.22 | jelly | wols_: there is an aufs-modules-2.6.22-3-486 |
| 09:50.24 | tsrepadmin | how can i see how many open files in system are allowed? |
| 09:50.58 | ShredZ | any really good pdf viewer in lenny ? (I need it professionally) |
| 09:51.01 | freezer | looks like mc crashed while copying some file? |
| 09:51.10 | jelly | tsrepadmin: first number in output of `cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr` |
| 09:51.26 | jelly | tsrepadmin: oh, allowed... last number. |
| 09:51.37 | wols_ | ShredZ: xpdf, kpdf, ghostview,... reader from adobe.com |
| 09:51.47 | tsrepadmin | jelly: for sure? |
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| 09:52.11 | gan | ya i ran update-initrd also |
| 09:52.12 | jelly | tsrepadmin: that, or /proc/sys/fs/file-max, same thing |
| 09:52.26 | tsrepadmin | what about: cat /proc/user_beancounters |
| 09:52.29 | JustSoul | wols_: create, edit... |
| 09:52.47 | Math^ | hello, im not realy familiar to printers in linux, but I've a hp deskjet 5150, what do I need to install to be able to use it? |
| 09:52.53 | jelly | tsrepadmin: no such thing on a normal kernel |
| 09:53.15 | tsrepadmin | jelly: on a vserver maybe |
| 09:53.28 | wols_ | !tell Math^ about printing |
| 09:53.28 | jelly | no idea about vserver |
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| 09:53.37 | tsrepadmin | jelly: there are 4256 open files allowed. |
| 09:54.26 | tsrepadmin | resource held maxheld barrier limit failcnt |
| 09:54.26 | tsrepadmin | numfile 2525 4256 4256 4256 65178 |
| 09:54.35 | tsrepadmin | i hate my vserver :-( |
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| 09:55.22 | jelly | you'll probably have to rtfm vserver docs about vserver-specific /proc entries |
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| 09:56.10 | tsrepadmin | yeah maybe. it's just that i finished to install mailman now, and i always gets too many open files in system errs if starting it up |
| 09:56.22 | JustSoul | maligor: no, not with pdf (( |
| 09:57.32 | jelly | tsrepadmin: stop other, less important stuff? pay for more "beans", whatever those may be? |
| 09:57.35 | Math^ | wols_: it seems like there's no 5150 support, but there's 5000 support, but where can I find instructions to install drivers/software for debian lenny? |
| 09:57.56 | tsrepadmin | jelly: no way :-) |
| 09:58.08 | tsrepadmin | jelly i guess i will catch a real server |
| 09:58.20 | tsrepadmin | jelly: too many problems with vserver stuff till now |
| 09:59.02 | hark | JustSoul: pdfedit, but not in etch |
| 09:59.16 | wols_ | Math^: read the factoid again |
| 09:59.30 | JustSoul | hark: where I can find it? |
| 09:59.40 | wols_ | Math^: and if you run leenny you are supposed to know where to look for docs |
| 09:59.44 | hark | !info pdfedit |
| 09:59.48 | dpkg | pdfedit: (Editor for manipulating PDF documents), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 2714 kB, Installed size: 7596 kB |
| 09:59.54 | Math^ | wols_: not realy |
| 10:00.01 | wols_ | Math^: not really what? |
| 10:00.14 | Math^ | i dont know where to find the docs, wols :) |
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| 10:00.31 | wols_ | then uninstall testing. best for you and us |
| 10:00.31 | JustSoul | wols_: thx |
| 10:00.52 | Math^ | wols_: thank you very much for your help |
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| 10:01.07 | Lawkie | Hello! I am using Damn SMall Linux and I need some packages from the "Woody" debian distribution, however I cant find an old repository nowhere. Does anyone know one? |
| 10:01.17 | wols_ | !woody |
| 10:01.17 | dpkg | methinks woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 10:01.26 | wols_ | !tell Lawkie about sdn |
| 10:02.05 | Lawkie | Holey Crap, Thanks a bunch Wols! :) |
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| 10:02.15 | ronr | I'm looking for a gui tool on debian to design relational databases with, anyone has a suggestion? |
| 10:02.16 | mic_p | Hi all. I need a single file that I found inside a packages, but I don't want to download entire soruce package from packages.debian.org. Is there a solutions for fetch it? Thanks |
| 10:02.27 | Math^ | anyone else can help? |
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| 10:03.15 | ronr | mic_p: download the .deb and extract it? |
| 10:03.31 | mic_p | ronr: which db? |
| 10:03.47 | mic_p | ronr: the same :) I don't want to download 60 MB |
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| 10:04.19 | ronr | mic_p: I'll be using mysql, but it doesn't have to be able to communicate with the db, I just want to make a graphical view of what tables I'm gonna make and how they are related |
| 10:04.36 | ronr | mic_p: maybe upstream has a cvs or svn or something like that |
| 10:05.36 | jelly | Math^: apart from generic "install cups, foomatic-filters-ppds and hplip and hope there's a driver in there"? |
| 10:06.02 | Math^ | jelly: ok, that sounds already a bit more usefull thnx :) |
| 10:06.29 | jelly | !find /HP-DeskJet_5150-hpijs.ppd |
| 10:06.30 | mic_p | ronr: http://www.fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/index.php or something like thid? |
| 10:06.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/HP-DeskJet_5150-hpijs.ppd' (1): (/usr/share/ppd/hpijs/HP/HP-DeskJet_5150-hpijs.ppd) in utils/hpijs-ppds. |
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| 10:07.41 | Math^ | :) |
| 10:07.47 | jelly | Math^: looks like you'll be wanting hpijs-ppds and possibly hpijs as well |
| 10:07.48 | mic_p | ronr: Does the source packages have a cvs/svn ? |
| 10:07.57 | Math^ | jelly: yes |
| 10:08.19 | ronr | mic_p: yeah, I used that one before, I think it's ok but not great (I'd prefer something in the debian repository) |
| 10:08.24 | ronr | mic_p: what package |
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| 10:08.45 | vlt | Hello. I got an aes encrypted container file from crosscrypt here. It must be plain aes ecryption, no extra headers added. The container file was mounted on Windows using `echo PASSPHRASE | filedisk.exe /mount container 8G x: /aes256`. Any idea what's the equivalent linux shell command? I tried `aespipe -d -e aes256 < containerfile | hd`, had to enter the passphrase but that doesn't look like a file system yet. |
| 10:08.46 | mic_p | ronr: linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 in sid |
| 10:08.49 | jelly | Math^: then you don't need the other huge package with ppds I mentioned earlier |
| 10:08.59 | ronr | mic_p: and what file do you need? |
| 10:09.10 | Math^ | jelly: ok, thank you :) |
| 10:09.48 | vlt | How can I tell aespipe to read a file as passphrase source? Do I need some more options like hash algo? Did anyone tried to use a crosscrypt container on linux before? |
| 10:10.04 | mic_p | ronr: config-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 10:10.49 | ronr | mic_p: I'd guess that's in the diff file, so you don't have to download everything |
| 10:10.49 | mic_p | ronr: trying with apt-cache search , but give me no results for a db designer... I don't know where looking for :( |
| 10:11.08 | mic_p | ronr: good idea! I'll look inside |
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| 10:12.33 | vlt | Can "cryptsetup" on Debian Etch handle plain aes encrypted files? If I remember right, there's no extra header added when NOT using LUKS, right? |
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| 10:13.58 | hark | mic_p: /msg dpkg kernel config |
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| 10:17.30 | rushadrenaline | Can anybody pls help on on -- how to port debain on mipsel box. My host distro is mandriva-2008. And im downloading debian-mipsel-cd.iso |
| 10:19.59 | ShredZ | How does one fix the ugly non-aa helvetica font again ? |
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| 10:22.18 | nevyn | dpkg --purge xfonts-100dpi |
| 10:22.48 | DarthJesus | are any of you a phramacist? |
| 10:22.57 | mic_p | hark: yes! It was! |
| 10:23.26 | DarthJesus | out of 766 other people atleast one of you has to be a pharmacist |
| 10:24.46 | DarthJesus | is Debian one of the older distros? |
| 10:24.52 | DarthJesus | elder rather |
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| 10:26.59 | DarthJesus | was Debian the first actual 'distro'? |
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| 10:27.26 | ronr | dpkg: what do you know about debian history? |
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| 10:27.44 | DarthJesus | i laugh at your epic name complete failure |
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| 10:28.00 | sep | DarthJesus, http://www.kde-files.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/57722-1.png |
| 10:28.17 | sep | !history |
| 10:28.18 | dpkg | history is, like, old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 10:28.19 | puff | DarthJesus: Yeah, debian's fairly old, though not the first. |
| 10:28.31 | JustSoul | Is it possible to compile pdfedit for etch. |
| 10:28.46 | wols_ | !tell JustSoul about simple sid backport |
| 10:28.48 | puff | DarthJesus: It's probably one of the earliest things that we think of as a distro today, with installers and package management and etc. |
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| 10:29.37 | JustSoul | wols_: there is no pdfedit (or I don't find it) |
| 10:29.54 | wols_ | JustSoul: where isn't? |
| 10:30.02 | JustSoul | wols_: backports |
| 10:30.14 | wols_ | JustSoul: read ALL of the factoid |
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| 10:30.19 | DarthJesus | oh i see |
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| 10:30.20 | XoX | what does O-matic mean in "CUPS-O-Matic’" |
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| 10:30.42 | DarthJesus | so mentioning xubuntu versus debian in here isn't actually heresy |
| 10:30.55 | DarthJesus | due to xubuntu being branched off from debian |
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| 10:31.17 | petemc | its not on topic |
| 10:32.03 | wols_ | DarthJesus: we don't support any form of ubuntu here |
| 10:32.07 | DarthJesus | apparently ubuntu was the most recent branch from Debian |
| 10:32.10 | wols_ | !tell DarthJesus about based on dbeian |
| 10:32.17 | wols_ | !tell DarthJesus about based on debian |
| 10:33.06 | wols_ | DarthJesus: and if you want to compare any other distro and debian, all you will get is the "why debian" factoid |
| 10:33.07 | maligor | XoX, it serves cups |
| 10:33.14 | marfunc | what applications are available for debian? |
| 10:33.15 | DarthJesus | i want to multi-boot Debian and xubuntu, so mentioning both isn't entirely off topic |
| 10:33.25 | wols_ | XoX: part of the word aut"omatic" |
| 10:33.39 | wols_ | marfunc: run aptitude and you will know |
| 10:34.01 | wols_ | DarthJesus: which ones bootloaded will you use? |
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| 10:34.23 | DarthJesus | i don't even know what bootloaded means |
| 10:34.26 | jelly | DarthJesus: setting up your debian system to for multiboot is not offtopic. discussing origins of xubuntu is. |
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| 10:34.30 | marfunc | do you typically use the command line and only run services or is there desktop stuff too? |
| 10:34.31 | wols_ | *bbotloader rather |
| 10:34.43 | DarthJesus | only linux i have ever used is via ftp uploading modules and executing them via php |
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| 10:34.54 | DarthJesus | call me a newbie |
| 10:35.01 | wols_ | marfunc: you usually never call "services" (which don't exist anyways) manually |
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| 10:35.44 | puff | Anybody familiar with ffmpeg and such? |
| 10:35.55 | DarthJesus | i have two machines i plan on using multi-boot with Debian and xubuntu on |
| 10:36.14 | wols_ | DarthJesus: answer our question |
| 10:36.22 | DarthJesus | one machine i will simply swap out the hdd for when i want to use something other than linux |
| 10:36.22 | wols_ | !tell puff about anyone |
| 10:36.27 | marfunc | wols_: NM, if i get the hardware i'll give debian a fair and good go |
| 10:36.35 | DarthJesus | what question wols_? |
| 10:36.40 | wols_ | marfunc: packages.debian.org |
| 10:36.52 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.31 | XoX | anyone know if the different GPL ppd files made for cups to be used with PostScript printers , work on windows too? |
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| 10:38.09 | DarthJesus | wols_ i was told they have equivalent bootloaders and it doesn't matter, just use the same boot loader from one or the other to multi-boot both and there would be no issues as long as i use two different swap partitions one for each to prevent corruption when i hibernate |
| 10:38.12 | wols_ | XoX: ask windows users |
| 10:38.18 | wols_ | DarthJesus: it DOES matter |
| 10:38.22 | puff | DarthJesus: Any system has a bootloader - a program stored on the first few bytes (first 446, if I recall correctly) of the main drive. This is the program that is loaded and run at startup, and is in charge of doing the rest. |
| 10:38.28 | tralala | XoX, the windows .ppd files should work with cups. |
| 10:38.34 | puff | DarthJesus: Getting the rest of the system up and running, etc. |
| 10:38.54 | puff | DarthJesus: Including, if you're running multiboot, letting you choose what "the rest" means for this boot. |
| 10:38.57 | wols_ | DarthJesus: it very much does matter if your question is on topic in here for example |
| 10:39.11 | tralala | and as far as I understand every windows driver for a postscript printer should have a .ppd file |
| 10:39.14 | DarthJesus | i was planning on having Debian be loaded first |
| 10:39.18 | DarthJesus | then xubuntu |
| 10:39.24 | wols_ | and th bootloader and how it's used determines how you set it all up too |
| 10:39.32 | tralala | so there is no point in using cups' |
| 10:39.50 | wols_ | tralala: printing without a spooler sucks |
| 10:40.02 | marfunc | wols: hrm looks like thats just the link i needed, thank you! :-) |
| 10:40.03 | puff | DarthJesus: Whichever distro you install first will probably be the install that sets up the bootloader. If it's debian, then this is probably the place to ask about it. |
| 10:40.05 | XoX | tralala: yes , i want to do more than just print to the printer |
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| 10:40.11 | XoX | like access control |
| 10:40.11 | DarthJesus | from personal experience ubuntu isn't as stable as Debian, that's why i plan on having Debian be loaded first during multi-boot |
| 10:40.13 | XoX | and monitoring |
| 10:40.18 | tralala | wols_, cups' != cups (not the apostrophe) |
| 10:40.20 | tralala | note |
| 10:40.26 | keitherz | hmmm |
| 10:40.27 | eth01 | eh |
| 10:40.38 | puff | DarthJesus: Honestly, I'd suggest that you ask on #ubuntu. #ubuntu is fairly used to newbies and debian-friendly, so you should be able to get help on how to set it up. I can't think of any particular reason why installing debian first in this situation would be better. |
| 10:40.40 | XoX | tralala: but there are some vendors that provide ppd files for cups and they look a bit different from the windows ver |
| 10:40.46 | DarthJesus | so would i use the boot module from Debian then? |
| 10:40.55 | puff | DarthJesus: Well, you could if you instlaled debian first. |
| 10:40.58 | wols_ | tralala: now you want me to read what you write and even check apostrophes? that's too mcuh! have you nevre seen how I type? and you expect me tor ead? |
| 10:41.06 | DarthJesus | i plan on installing Debian first |
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| 10:41.16 | DarthJesus | the original ubuntu installer is crap imo |
| 10:41.23 | puff | DarthJesus: Whatever. |
| 10:41.23 | tralala | !confuse wols_ |
| 10:41.24 | dpkg | Yes, those is their badger tomorrow, wols_? pants of the monarchy of mongolia with extra cheese |
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| 10:41.34 | DarthJesus | atleast for when booting off last year's live cd |
| 10:41.46 | wols_ | DarthJesus: which means xubuntu will probably overwrite the debian bootloader which means you probably have to use the ubuntu bootloader and its a ubuntu problem |
| 10:42.01 | DarthJesus | :/ |
| 10:42.10 | puff | DarthJesus: For someobdy whose "only linux i have ever used is via ftp uploading modules and executing them via php", you seem to be espousing pretty strong opinions. |
| 10:42.11 | DarthJesus | ok |
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| 10:42.32 | wols_ | tralala: I take the extra cheese please. but gouda only. you can keep the kingdom. yak milk tastes terrible |
| 10:42.34 | DarthJesus | i've only seen Debian on the machines of other people |
| 10:42.43 | tralala | XoX, probably they have some filters, which is the only extra feature cups supports in .ppd |
| 10:42.58 | light | Hello |
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| 10:43.36 | light | Can anyone help me for a problem with Xen on debian etch |
| 10:43.37 | light | ? |
| 10:43.49 | wols_ | !tell light about anyone |
| 10:43.50 | DarthJesus | one of my machines the ubuntu live cd from last year was mostly non-functional, due to being a very rare computer, however where can i download the Debian live cd from this year? |
| 10:43.51 | wols_ | !tell light about ask |
| 10:44.05 | wols_ | DarthJesus: there is no live cd debian release |
| 10:44.12 | DarthJesus | :( |
| 10:44.25 | wols_ | !tell DarthJesus about live cd |
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| 10:44.29 | DarthJesus | will there ever be? |
| 10:44.36 | wols_ | yes there will |
| 10:45.09 | DarthJesus | how would the boot-loader work for live-cd? |
| 10:45.17 | DarthJesus | is it possible to multi-boot off a live-cd? |
| 10:45.39 | puff | So I'm on etch, there's no checkinstall in the apt servers. What should I do if I need to checkinstall a custom package? |
| 10:45.48 | wols_ | it is possible but OT here |
| 10:45.58 | DarthJesus | ok |
| 10:46.06 | jelly | DarthJesus: if you have grub on your livecd, you can do whatever you can with grub. |
| 10:46.06 | wols_ | !tell puff about simple sid backport |
| 10:46.16 | wols_ | puff: what package? |
| 10:46.19 | XoX | tralala: no , no filters , PS printers |
| 10:46.34 | DarthJesus | is grub something i can ask what exactly it is in here? |
| 10:46.44 | puff | wols_: Is that supposed to be sending me a private message? Because I'm not seeing it. |
| 10:46.44 | XoX | and windows dosen't use .PPD files for filters |
| 10:46.45 | DarthJesus | is grub for Debian the same as on other distros? |
| 10:46.53 | puff | wols_: ffmpeg-php wrapper. |
| 10:47.00 | XoX | or do they? |
| 10:47.11 | telexicon | DarthJesus, yes |
| 10:47.20 | DarthJesus | .PPD is an image format too btw |
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| 10:48.01 | DarthJesus | an image editing format, basically like a workspace for a single image |
| 10:48.03 | wols_ | wit did: 11:46 <dpkg> told puff about simple sid backport (First: Se... |
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| 10:48.29 | DarthJesus | bbl |
| 10:48.49 | light | I search for a Xen Guru |
| 10:49.37 | puff | wols_: Oh weird, something changed when I upgraded emacs, private messages now get their own buffer per user. |
| 10:49.39 | light | DarthJesus: yeah it's the same |
| 10:49.41 | wols_ | light: search for "smart question" on google first. you need it |
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| 10:50.28 | tralala | light, do you hire? |
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| 10:50.46 | rushadrenaline | Pls any body ,, |
| 10:50.59 | rushadrenaline | I need help on porting debian on mipsel |
| 10:51.11 | wols_ | rushadrenaline: that's already been done IIRC |
| 10:51.18 | wols_ | mipsel is a supported debian platform |
| 10:51.20 | wols_ | !mips |
| 10:51.20 | dpkg | i heard mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
| 10:51.29 | wols_ | !mipsel |
| 10:51.30 | dpkg | mipsel is probably one of the supported debian architectures http://www.debian.org/ports/mipsel/ |
| 10:51.42 | puff | wols_: Blah, no checkinstall in the etch backports. DAngit. |
| 10:52.20 | puff | wols_: Lemme clarify something; if I'm on etch, then I should be checking the etch-backports, right? |
| 10:52.21 | wols_ | why don't ANY of the morons read the FULL factoids |
| 10:52.25 | wols_ | are they THAT stupid? |
| 10:52.41 | tralala | wols_, more than that |
| 10:53.30 | tralala | which is why my ignore list is becoming difficult to manage |
| 10:53.54 | puff | wols_: Hey, I read the factoids, once I found the buffer emacs was shunting them into. |
| 10:54.16 | wols_ | puff: if you actually read it, then no you wouldn't have asked me the followup question |
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| 10:54.34 | puff | The one I just asked? |
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| 10:54.49 | tralala | puff, if you're using emacs for the package management as well I'm not surprised you're having problems |
| 10:54.59 | puff | tralala: No, just for irc. |
| 10:55.01 | puff | wols_: I did read it, and I did ask, so yes, obviously I would have, and did ask. |
| 10:55.32 | wols_ | puff: you didn't cause there is lots more written there |
| 10:55.52 | puff | wols_: The reason I asked was because nothing in the factoid, nor on backports.org, explicitly says one way or the other. Since I"m on etch, and abackported package, by definition, comes from a different release, and the package I'm looking for doesn't show up in etch-backport, I asked to make sure I wasn't making a stupid mistake. |
| 10:56.21 | DarthJesus | i noticed the people in #ubuntu aren't as helpful as to technical issues as the people in #Debian are :| |
| 10:56.27 | tralala | puff, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:57.13 | wols_ | DarthJesus: we aremuch fiercer and flame people who like to ask ubuntu questions too. we also don't like if we ask questions to clarify the initial question and people don't answer |
| 10:57.39 | wols_ | tralala: while repeating it for him is nice, I have doubt he will get it the 2nd time |
| 10:57.46 | DarthJesus | i already told you what i knew about boot loaders |
| 10:57.57 | puff | tralala: Yeah, that's note quite the same thing as using the backport apt repositories. It's also kinda risky, hence my desire to try finding it in the backport apt repositories first. |
| 10:58.05 | puff | wols_: I got it the FIRST time. |
| 10:58.07 | wols_ | DarthJesus: that's not what I asked |
| 10:58.14 | wols_ | puff: there you are very very wrong |
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| 10:58.38 | DarthJesus | you have to realize i am not staring at the irc console, every 5 or 15 minutes i am off doing other things |
| 10:58.42 | puff | wols_: In what way? |
| 10:58.48 | tralala | puff, it's just as risky as using a ready backport, only requireing more work. |
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| 10:59.04 | light | list |
| 10:59.10 | alessandro | hey there, i just recompiled squid with enable-ssl and it still doesnt recognize https_port as configvalue |
| 10:59.15 | wols_ | DarthJesus: so do I. also you do realize that you etiher do some research on your own or you hire a (paid) admin |
| 10:59.16 | alessandro | do I miss something? |
| 10:59.42 | alessandro | obviously? ;-) |
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| 11:00.24 | wols_ | alessandro: dpkg -l |grep ssl |grep dev |
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| 11:00.44 | DarthJesus | i am not hiring a paid admin to handle my own operating system on my own computer, that is rediculous |
| 11:00.52 | alessandro | wols_, huh? it compiled succesfully |
| 11:01.00 | alessandro | and squid -v told me ssl is enabled |
| 11:01.01 | wols_ | alessandro: we don't teach sysadminning either |
| 11:01.17 | wols_ | alessandro: is that what I asked? |
| 11:01.31 | wols_ | alessandro: the sysadminning comment was for DarthJesus actually |
| 11:01.41 | alessandro | i see |
| 11:01.44 | nevyn | DarthJesus: so educate yourself sufficiently to admin it. |
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| 11:02.47 | alessandro | wols_, libssl-dev appears |
| 11:03.10 | alessandro | as installed |
| 11:03.13 | DarthJesus | having an 'admin' for a personal computer sounds ludicrous when only one person is using it |
| 11:03.15 | tralala | alessandro, there are other important things on this line, besides the package name |
| 11:03.15 | jelly | DarthJesus: this is the point when you realize linux crap isn't that ready for desktop yet, and you really need to invest either time or money to figure out a nontrivial setup like multiple Linux OS installed |
| 11:03.35 | alessandro | tralala, u mean like, version? |
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| 11:03.44 | alessandro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.45 | wols_ | alessandro: grep you squid binaries for the missing config option or check the squid docs. maybe the option's name changed |
| 11:03.47 | puff | DarthJesus: Or take the easy way out, buy a spare hard drive and install debian on one and ubuntu on the other :-). |
| 11:03.58 | Penix | DarthJesus: that's why you teach yourself enough to be your own admin |
| 11:04.09 | alessandro | wols_, i already checked it hasnt changed |
| 11:04.16 | wols_ | DarthJesus: there always is a "root" on any linux system so there always is an admin |
| 11:04.23 | tralala | alessandro, I mean, paste the whole line |
| 11:04.26 | alessandro | and there is people with same config, and working squid |
| 11:04.31 | DarthJesus | my original plan for my Gnome Tower project was to have two 250gb hdds, one with xubuntu and one with Debian |
| 11:05.24 | tralala | alessandro, also, paste the exact error messages you get (on a web paste) |
| 11:05.39 | puff | wols_: I'm still waiting for an answer as to how I'm wrong. You referred me to the simple sid backport factoid. That factoid said check the backports first. I did so. I asked for clarification to make sure an assumption I had made (that I should be looking in the etch backports) was correct. You take issue with this, for some so-far-unexplained reason. |
| 11:06.25 | jelly | puff: if you run stable (codename etch) then yes, etch-backports is where you want to look at |
| 11:06.38 | puff | jelly: Thanks. |
| 11:06.38 | alessandro | tralala, http://pastebin.com/m787d32db |
| 11:06.52 | wols_ | puff: and it tells you how to backport on your own. |
| 11:07.06 | wols_ | puff: that you don't want to do it is irrelevant |
| 11:07.17 | puff | wols_: Sure, and that's what I'll pursue, once I'm sure I checked the right existing backports repository. |
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| 11:07.36 | enouf | hey wols_ how did that wifi stuff in .25-rc2 ever work out? |
| 11:07.39 | wols_ | puff: there are only 2 backport repos max. and either one would work for you |
| 11:07.42 | enouf | or it didn't? :-( |
| 11:07.46 | wols_ | enouf: badly so far |
| 11:07.51 | enouf | ouch |
| 11:08.03 | tralala | alessandro, you have compiled squid yourself, right? |
| 11:08.08 | alessandro | tralala, exactly |
| 11:08.18 | tralala | alessandro, as a .deb package? |
| 11:08.22 | alessandro | nope |
| 11:08.27 | wols_ | their code is a mess. but I haven't given up (yet). will manually copy my special .ko over and pray. but I need to create a boot cd with the new kernel now. and I want to use my usb stick too |
| 11:08.37 | tralala | alessandro, do it as a .deb package now |
| 11:08.39 | alessandro | just overwritten the old bin |
| 11:08.52 | alessandro | tralala, whats the diffrence? :-) |
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| 11:09.13 | wols_ | alessandro: the difference is, this is debian where we use the package management |
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| 11:09.18 | puff | Anyway, good night, and remember wols, decaf tastes *just* as good. |
| 11:09.19 | tralala | alessandro, the same as the difference between working and broken |
| 11:09.35 | enouf | wols_: well, with xingu 's awesome help, i am on my way to finding out how to solve my issue, it seems .24 and up added some things to the kernel (that will help a ton, and no need for the custom patch i was applying, though a git blob might be needed) and changed other things |
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| 11:09.38 | wols_ | puff: haven't drunk coffee for probably 20 years. gives me heartburn |
| 11:09.48 | puff | Ah, now I begin to see the problem :-) |
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| 11:09.54 | puff | G'night all. |
| 11:09.57 | feysalus | 1 |
| 11:09.58 | DarthJesus | when you switch between Debian and something else using multi-boot, does Debian still run in the background? |
| 11:10.00 | feysalus | Hi |
| 11:10.05 | alessandro | tralala, how should that make a diffrence, its cleaner for sure, but the result cant be different? |
| 11:10.06 | wols_ | DarthJesus: no |
| 11:10.09 | puff | DarthJesus: See my earlier comments about multiboot. |
| 11:10.10 | DarthJesus | :( |
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| 11:10.30 | feysalus | I just installed debian, but I can't access my NTFS partitition, anyone using an NTFS partition or know how to set it up here? |
| 11:10.41 | wols_ | DarthJesus: you can do it with virtual machines but that brings different sets of problems (like missing 3D for the guest OS) |
| 11:10.46 | tralala | alessandro, as wols_ said in debian we work with packages. If you don't want to work with packages, ask ##linux for help |
| 11:10.50 | wols_ | !tell feysalus about ntfs3g |
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| 11:10.59 | enouf | "the same as the difference between working and broken" <-- bash.org worthy almost. ;-) |
| 11:11.02 | Assid | hey |
| 11:11.20 | alessandro | tralala, so ill be back in 10 min and ask the same question again? |
| 11:11.24 | Natilous | feysalus: you must install ntfs-3g package to access or write NTFS partitions |
| 11:11.30 | Assid | anyopne here using ejabberd ? for some strange reason i cant get registrations to take place NOR the web administration |
| 11:11.31 | feysalus | ah, ok |
| 11:11.37 | alessandro | but if you want so |
| 11:11.39 | Assid | i am using the default config file |
| 11:11.45 | DarthJesus | i guess i will have to make a Gnome LAN instead of tower then :| |
| 11:11.47 | wols_ | alessandro: if you don't like the answer, ask #squid or such |
| 11:12.10 | Natilous | how can I free RAM ? |
| 11:12.19 | tralala | alessandro, just build the .deb package, install it and if you have any problems, come back and ask |
| 11:12.20 | enouf | pull out a stick or two? |
| 11:12.21 | wols_ | Natilous: run less processes |
| 11:12.29 | wols_ | Natilous: but why would you want to free RAM? |
| 11:12.36 | wols_ | !tell Natilous about free RAM |
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| 11:12.56 | wols_ | Natilous: free ram is wasted ram |
| 11:12.57 | Natilous | wols_: when close a program, it can't free ram ! |
| 11:13.05 | enouf | Vmwarez? |
| 11:13.09 | wols_ | Natilous: read the factoid |
| 11:13.39 | tralala | Natilous, do you get excessive swapping? Do you have performace problems? |
| 11:13.46 | enouf | are you even running debian? |
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| 11:14.08 | Natilous | tralala: yes i have swap ! |
| 11:14.18 | alessandro | tralala, alright ill be back |
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| 11:14.23 | tralala | enouf, right - I should've started with that |
| 11:14.26 | wols_ | Natilous: that is not what tralala asked |
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| 11:14.44 | enouf | wow |
| 11:14.46 | tralala | Natilous, which debian do you run? |
| 11:15.05 | DarthJesus | the free one *shot* |
| 11:15.15 | enouf | it's snowing like maddogs here ;-) |
| 11:15.41 | Natilous | I use an debian based Distro ... (PARSIX-r0) |
| 11:15.50 | Assid | anyone here running an ejabberd server ? and can help me set it up.? |
| 11:15.51 | wols_ | !tell Natilous about debian based |
| 11:16.05 | wols_ | Natilous: ask the parsix folks. #debian is the wrong place for you to ask |
| 11:16.13 | Assid | i just cant figure out whats wrong.. registration doesnt work. NOR the http administration |
| 11:16.36 | wols_ | Assid: have you checked your logs? maybe check what you need to enable for ejabberd to log in the first place? |
| 11:16.43 | andyp__ | yesterday i installed on the wrong partition (hd2) it should have been (hd0,2) what is the diffrence between (hd2) and (hd0,2)? |
| 11:16.47 | tralala | Natilous, try debian - it has no problems with free memory |
| 11:17.14 | Natilous | tralala: ok ,,, tahnx for your help:-D |
| 11:17.17 | Assid | wols_: shows me that im connecting to it.. thats it (when i try to register) |
| 11:17.26 | wols_ | andyp__: totally different disks. (hd0,2) is the third partiotn of the first disk, (hd2) is simply they MBR of the 3rd sisk |
| 11:17.29 | enouf | andyp__: hd2 is a HDD, hd0,2 is 1st HDD, 3rd partition |
| 11:17.40 | enouf | hd2 would be your 3rd HDD |
| 11:18.07 | wols_ | Assid: try to make the log more verbose and check what it's saying if you try to register or login |
| 11:18.14 | enouf | man grub, install grub-doc |
| 11:18.15 | andyp__ | ok thanks |
| 11:18.17 | feysalus | ok |
| 11:18.33 | feysalus | I installed ntfs-3g, and I successfully mounted my partition using that "Disks" utility |
| 11:18.54 | feysalus | but I cannot access it through nautilus/terminal through my non-root account |
| 11:18.56 | enouf | is that how cochlear is spelled? hrm |
| 11:19.09 | wols_ | DarthJesus: does the implant have a 32bit cpu with mmu and ~48MB or more RAM? |
| 11:19.10 | DarthJesus | spell check says it is |
| 11:19.12 | Assid | wols_: the http administration doesnt work either :( |
| 11:19.14 | enouf | heh |
| 11:19.28 | wols_ | Assid: check if it listens on any port |
| 11:19.35 | feysalus | I get this error message "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "disks-conf-hda6"." |
| 11:19.41 | DarthJesus | cochlear comes with 64mb upgradeable to 16gb |
| 11:19.53 | enouf | no, c'mon |
| 11:19.56 | wols_ | !tell feysalus about vfatrw |
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| 11:20.05 | wols_ | feysalus: the permissions issues are basically the same |
| 11:20.14 | enouf | ram helmet? |
| 11:20.22 | DarthJesus | cochlear is 64bit i think |
| 11:20.22 | wols_ | enouf: better than tinfoil! |
| 11:20.30 | enouf | hehe |
| 11:20.37 | Assid | wols_: yes, in the logs it shows that the client is trying to connect |
| 11:20.42 | enouf | does it come with horns too? |
| 11:20.44 | feysalus | hmm, should I have downloaded lenny instead of etch? |
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| 11:21.10 | wols_ | DarthJesus: a DSP is no general purpose CPU |
| 11:21.14 | DarthJesus | a person can have up to two independent Cochlear bionic implants |
| 11:21.16 | wols_ | feysalus: no |
| 11:21.47 | wols_ | Assid: that's not what I asedk |
| 11:21.50 | DarthJesus | i think Cochlear owners are too afraid to mess with them to set up personal theme songs and stuff |
| 11:22.37 | DarthJesus | but i am pretty sure they have minimum specs to run Debian |
| 11:23.43 | feysalus | wols_: ok, it's an ntfs partition, so should I still enter 'vfat' ? |
| 11:23.55 | wols_ | do you actually know the CPU type? how big is a cochlear implant? and do you know how much power 64MB RAM use? |
| 11:24.03 | wols_ | feysalus: no you should not |
| 11:24.15 | wols_ | feysalus: I said the permissions issue is the same only |
| 11:24.19 | enouf | !vfat |
| 11:24.19 | dpkg | from memory, vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
| 11:24.20 | feysalus | oh |
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| 11:24.45 | DarthJesus | cochlear uses an uninteruptable power supply that recharges while you sleep but has enough juice to run fullsteam for 6 days or so |
| 11:25.15 | wols_ | DarthJesus: that doesn't answer my question. actually none of them at all |
| 11:25.20 | DarthJesus | :| |
| 11:25.23 | wols_ | DarthJesus: great reading comprehension |
| 11:25.28 | enouf | oh wait, isn't that the one that plugs into like a belt battery pack? |
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| 11:27.18 | DarthJesus | i am pretty sure the Cochlear bionic implant technically uses solid-state wrom rather, has a custom core processor, and is the size of a half-dollar and as thick as a sugar cube |
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| 11:28.19 | DarthJesus | however the actual neurode portion looks exactly like a blue tooth |
| 11:28.30 | Assid | wols_: yes port 5280 and 5222 and 5223 are all listening |
| 11:28.34 | DarthJesus | except green instead of blue led |
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| 11:32.22 | Assid | im wondering if it has something to do that the server is behind a NAT and has portforwarding |
| 11:32.25 | DarthJesus | obviously the io system for aCochlear bionic implant for Debian would have to be voice recognition based, also newer models are something similar to broadband capable |
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| 11:33.25 | wols_ | Assid: try to connect to the interfaces from localhost |
| 11:33.39 | DarthJesus | the portion that looks like blue tooth is a permanent non-replaceable par, but the half-dollar to silver-dollar sized sugar-cube thick portion of the implant is replaceable i think, and attaches using a snap-on device |
| 11:34.05 | DarthJesus | non-replaceable part* |
| 11:34.16 | DarthJesus | the system is fully water proof i think |
| 11:34.51 | DarthJesus | it would have to be or people wouldn't be able to swim or take showers |
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| 11:35.51 | DarthJesus | now back on topic to debian, because obviously the channel has lost the plot with the Cochlear implant versus Debian concept taking their full attention span to the point of their pupils dialating to saucers |
| 11:36.03 | DarthJesus | :) |
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| 11:40.31 | DarthJesus | as far as i know when a Cochlear Bionic Implant runs out of power, due to being solid-state wrom based for memory, when it regains power, it starts where it left off\ |
| 11:40.53 | wols_ | !tell DarthJesus about ot |
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| 11:41.00 | DarthJesus | main reason the uninteruptable power supply lasts 6 days, and that is enough of that |
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| 11:43.07 | feysalus | Hi again, my NTFS partition is working and I can read it, but when I try to write to it, it says "Error "Operation not permitted" " |
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| 11:44.02 | feysalus | is anyone here using an ntfs partition? |
| 11:44.08 | wols_ | !tell feysalus about permissions |
| 11:44.18 | wols_ | feysalus: you've been answered several times by now |
| 11:44.27 | feysalus | thanks wols_ |
| 11:44.32 | SlayerXP | feysalus: writing to an ntfs partition under linux either a) very brave or b) very stupid |
| 11:44.43 | wols_ | SlayerXP: not really |
| 11:44.46 | feysalus | but I set the permission to rwxrwxrwx. still can't write to it |
| 11:44.53 | SlayerXP | umm, yes, really. |
| 11:44.54 | tralala | SlayerXP, or you have never heard of ntfs3g |
| 11:44.59 | wols_ | your MOUNT permissions |
| 11:45.24 | feysalus | oh |
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| 11:45.50 | wols_ | feysalus: I didn't tell you the vfatrw factoid to toy with you |
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| 11:46.50 | enouf | shouldn't he see "/msg dpkg ntfsrw" ? |
| 11:47.16 | tralala | feysalus, are you running etch? |
| 11:47.47 | enouf | SlayerXP: umm no, not really, not even not really |
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| 11:48.24 | DarthJesus | wols_ did you see the query? |
| 11:48.24 | feysalus | yes I am tralala |
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| 11:48.37 | enouf | Mpoop recently released 30K pages of something - go EU |
| 11:48.39 | tralala | feysalus, i386 or amd64? |
| 11:48.44 | feysalus | ok, I think I fixed the permissions in fstab, I'll reboot and see if it works |
| 11:48.48 | feysalus | i386 |
| 11:48.55 | tralala | feysalus, /msg dpkg reboot |
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| 11:51.02 | wols_ | DarthJesus: a) you are not identified to services you can't query b) do NOT query anyone in here unasked |
| 11:51.27 | tralala | rebooting on fstab change... I blame Microsoft |
| 11:51.30 | wols_ | enouf: they did a "stragey change" want to be more open and stuff :) |
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| 11:51.54 | enouf | wow, that food needed a helluva lot of pepper to make it taste decent ;-) |
| 11:51.54 | wols_ | *strategy change |
| 11:52.08 | enouf | wols_: yeah, new koolaid |
| 11:52.22 | enouf | ballmer had a baby |
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| 11:52.58 | erik2 | epdfview is available as .deb ? |
| 11:53.07 | DarthJesus | wols_ that query i sent you has the info you need to know if you intend on making a Debian distro for it |
| 11:53.19 | wols_ | enouf: a company can give you a baby now? miraacle tech! I thought he only "loves this company"? |
| 11:53.40 | enouf | oh and thanks to all the wintendo weenies who use flashcrappoopshit on youtube and support it, Google has decided to lace all videos with Banner ads and overlay ads everywhere .. |
| 11:53.48 | wols_ | !tell erik2 about search |
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| 11:55.31 | enouf | wols_: i think he shat himself a baby .. O_o |
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| 11:56.10 | wols_ | Parthogenesis? |
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| 11:56.25 | DarthJesus | btw Cochlear is now accepted as a correctly spelled word by most up-to-date mainstream spell check software, Debian hasn't reached that status yet |
| 11:56.27 | enouf | and Guerin would love to hear the latest about the Google, youtube, flashcrapshit nonsense i'm sure ;-) |
| 11:57.05 | enouf | DarthJesus: there isn't a decent spell checker anywhere, so it's a moot point |
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| 11:57.28 | DarthJesus | the spell-check software i have installed on my server is pretty decent |
| 11:57.45 | DarthJesus | there are only a few words i have come across that it doesn't recognize |
| 11:58.38 | XoX | how do i change my terminal type |
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| 11:58.48 | DarthJesus | one being any possible spelling of configurability |
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| 11:59.58 | DarthJesus | bludgeon is another word it doesn't recognize |
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| 12:00.35 | enouf | how's it do with necrophelia? |
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| 12:00.53 | DarthJesus | it claims it is spelled necrophilia |
| 12:01.05 | enouf | haha .. nice |
| 12:01.09 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.49 | DarthJesus | if i find out the name of the module i will let you know so you can include it in future Debian distros |
| 12:02.14 | enouf | i bet it gets taser wrong :-P |
| 12:02.26 | DarthJesus | actually it accepts either taser or tazer |
| 12:02.44 | enouf | very accomodating |
| 12:03.12 | enouf | try this; antidiestablishmentarianism |
| 12:03.17 | enouf | oops |
| 12:03.20 | DarthJesus | by sheer coincidence that is one of the few thousand words i testing it with |
| 12:03.23 | enouf | antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 12:03.28 | DarthJesus | i tested it with* |
| 12:03.46 | DarthJesus | i will test that one now... |
| 12:04.15 | tralala | enouf, please address your replies to DarthJesus so my /ignore will cover them |
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| 12:04.31 | enouf | sure, no prob |
| 12:04.43 | tralala | thanks |
| 12:05.14 | DarthJesus | just a sec, my server just hiccuped due to rebalancing load or smth |
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| 12:05.51 | DarthJesus | yes it claims that is spelled correct |
| 12:06.50 | DarthJesus | next generation of the software is supposed to pop-up altnernative spellings |
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| 12:06.58 | DarthJesus | when hovered or right clicked |
| 12:07.18 | DarthJesus | alternative* |
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| 12:07.58 | DarthJesus | originally i used my own module to spell check documents |
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| 12:08.45 | DarthJesus | was slow as a bastard tho and eventually the server i was using blocked me due to hitting them over 10million queries a day |
| 12:08.53 | DarthJesus | :/ |
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| 12:09.51 | DarthJesus | you basically could surf an online dictionary by navigating from any word in a definition to any other definition |
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| 12:19.46 | DarthJesus | enouf i decided to take it to query with you |
| 12:19.54 | DarthJesus | sorry pngwn |
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| 12:21.01 | raz | erm, what is the synonym for "to claim control" again? |
| 12:21.13 | raz | i'm looking for the other word, not claim :) |
| 12:21.19 | tralala | assume |
| 12:21.23 | raz | aah thx! |
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| 12:31.05 | chlue | Hello. I have trouble with the current version of fglrx-driver in lenny. There is a new one, but it seem to be stuck in incomming: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/fglrx-driver_8.45.5-1.html How does this stuff works? Does the package maintainer needs to fix everything what is colored there to allow a package to proceed to unstable? |
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| 12:42.23 | feysalus | meh |
| 12:42.41 | feysalus | $#!7 has hit the fan :( , I think I ruined my 45GB ntfs partition |
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| 12:53.52 | voltagex | is it possible to use a debian laptop as a "virtual" headset and have a phone send audio to it? |
| 12:55.21 | wols_ | ekiga? VoIP? |
| 12:55.41 | voltagex | no, bluetooth phone |
| 12:55.55 | Polleke | voltagex, with a bluetooth receiver on the laptop? |
| 12:56.17 | voltagex | Polleke: yes, I have a built in bluetooth tranceiver that works quite well |
| 12:56.37 | Polleke | yes should be possible then |
| 12:56.45 | voltagex | Polleke: any idea how? |
| 12:57.33 | wols_ | start with installing the bluez stuff |
| 12:57.41 | voltagex | wols_: all installed |
| 12:57.44 | wols_ | !bluetooth |
| 12:57.45 | dpkg | [bluetooth] , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 12:57.53 | voltagex | wols_: I can send, receive, probe etc |
| 12:58.01 | voltagex | what I want to do is non standard |
| 12:58.07 | wols_ | then all you need to have is the proper BT profiles on each end |
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| 12:58.16 | voltagex | ... |
| 12:58.22 | wols_ | bt is simply a shit spec like that |
| 12:58.23 | voltagex | wols_: in layman's terms? |
| 12:58.46 | voltagex | wols_: I get the feeling this is not simply a make && make install job |
| 12:59.06 | wols_ | voltagex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile |
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| 13:00.12 | voltagex | wols_: ah yes, I've seen that article today - still doesn't get me closer to doing this though |
| 13:00.20 | voltagex | ooh, it's tomorrow already. |
| 13:00.34 | wols_ | you wanted to know what a BT profile is |
| 13:00.43 | voltagex | wols_: ;) |
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| 13:00.58 | voltagex | wols_: now I need to know how to get this working, if it's even possible |
| 13:00.59 | wols_ | you need to find out which profile correpsonds to what you want and pray it's supported on both ends |
| 13:01.48 | voltagex | wols_: my phone is looking for a Handsfree protocol or an Audio Sink, and my laptop doesn't know what that is |
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| 13:04.56 | Assid | wols_: okay got evertthing working EXCEPT for the web administration :( |
| 13:05.03 | Assid | i keep getting a not found on the page |
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| 13:05.14 | Assid | wols_: err. this is for the ejabberd btw |
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| 13:05.52 | wols_ | Assid: can you connect from localhost to it? |
| 13:06.02 | wols_ | WHAT not found? |
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| 13:06.32 | Assid | wols_: ejabberd has a web server "5280 port". however when you connect to it. it says not found |
| 13:06.44 | wols_ | answer my questions |
| 13:06.47 | voltagex | Assid: so localhost:5280 ? |
| 13:06.59 | Assid | voltagex: thats right |
| 13:07.24 | Assid | wols_: yes. i tried localhost. over the wire.. everything. i get a "not found" |
| 13:07.39 | wols_ | Assid: "not found" is not an error message you get |
| 13:07.39 | Assid | btw. its the text "not found" written in big bold btw |
| 13:07.48 | wols_ | and you STILL haven't told us what you exactly do either |
| 13:08.13 | wols_ | what is the html you receive |
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| 13:09.47 | Assid | okay heres the thing. ejabberd lets you manage through a web interface. I can get the clients to connect (was a stupid naming problem). so no problem here . the web interface however lets you manage over port 5280. I did try over localhost, and over the wire . i get the html "Not found" |
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| 13:11.11 | acemi | Assid: netstat -tanp | grep 5280 do you see ejabberd? |
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| 13:11.36 | Assid | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5280 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8535/beam |
| 13:11.49 | Assid | acemi: ejabberd uses beam |
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| 13:12.07 | acemi | Assid: localhost:5280/admin/ from web browser |
| 13:12.20 | Assid | aah got it |
| 13:12.45 | Assid | that was it. needed /admin |
| 13:13.07 | voltagex | wols_: am I SOL? |
| 13:13.12 | Assid | thanks acemi, wols_ |
| 13:13.19 | acemi | np |
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| 13:14.20 | Petfrogg | hello! |
| 13:14.53 | Petfrogg | i was thinking of installing one of those mysqlclienttools but the thing is that they seems to depend on a load of gnomestuff.... |
| 13:15.10 | Petfrogg | is there a good client that does not use gnomestuff and still is visual??? |
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| 13:17.37 | voltagex | wols_: so, I want to send audio to my laptop from my bluetooth phone... will I have to code this myself or is there something available? |
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| 13:19.24 | nilux17 | hi |
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| 13:20.02 | wols_ | check the available BT profiles with bluez |
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| 13:21.20 | voltagex | ok |
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| 13:21.45 | wols_ | and read the docs. cause I'm sure you haven#t done this |
| 13:21.55 | voltagex | how'd you ever guess! |
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| 13:22.30 | wols_ | cause people like you I privately label as "lazy morons" |
| 13:22.36 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.39 | wols_ | and that is the one of the nicer labels |
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| 13:22.44 | wols_ | DawnLight: iconv |
| 13:22.52 | DawnLight | wols_: that converts file names |
| 13:23.03 | DawnLight | ah no |
| 13:23.11 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 13:23.15 | voltagex | wols_: I figured what I'm trying to do is non-standard and therefore not in the docs |
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| 13:23.20 | wols_ | DawnLight: huh Convert encoding of given files from one encoding to another. |
| 13:23.47 | wols_ | voltagex: is is. using a BT device as a headset |
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| 13:26.22 | et | are there other zip extractors in debian other than 7z and unzip? |
| 13:26.34 | voltagex | wols_: I never thought of it like that -_- |
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| 13:26.53 | voltagex | et: do you mean for the zip format or for all archives? |
| 13:27.05 | et | zip format |
| 13:27.30 | et | i have an archive where the mentioned extractors fail ... |
| 13:28.35 | joltcan | et: do "file the_file.zip" so we can see what it is really done with |
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| 13:29.03 | wols_ | et: what for? |
| 13:29.09 | wols_ | fail HOW? |
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| 13:30.20 | et | 7z: "error: Can not open file as archive", unzip: "unsupported compression method 99" |
| 13:30.30 | joltcan | et: What does file say? |
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| 13:30.45 | et | "data" |
| 13:31.12 | wols_ | then it's no zipfile |
| 13:31.31 | et | well, unzip does get a list of filenames out of it |
| 13:31.39 | wols_ | do a "less file.zip" |
| 13:31.44 | wols_ | does it start with "PK"? |
| 13:32.00 | wols_ | it'S probably badly encrypted. with a non standard format |
| 13:32.09 | wols_ | winzip did something like this not long ago |
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| 13:32.22 | et | no, does not start with "PK" |
| 13:32.29 | joltcan | What does it start with? |
| 13:32.37 | joltcan | First line |
| 13:32.45 | et | <BE>b<AD>... |
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| 13:33.00 | andrej_ | hello! |
| 13:33.00 | wols_ | definetly no ZIP |
| 13:33.13 | DustyBin | are there any noticable differences in sound quality between a apple encoded 256kbps AAC file and a lame encoded 256kbps mp3 file? |
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| 13:33.34 | wols_ | DustyBin: unlikely |
| 13:33.35 | et | it's a split zipfile, in case that matters |
| 13:33.48 | leonardo | example: i installed SIM IM from sin packages on lenny debian, will sim im updates be possible on my lenny debian? |
| 13:33.52 | DustyBin | wols_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Design_limitations |
| 13:33.53 | wols_ | not even with absolute hearing. at 256kB it's unnoticeable in blind tests |
| 13:33.57 | et | well, as i said, unzip can do at least something with it ;) |
| 13:34.04 | wols_ | Convert encoding of given files from one encoding to another. |
| 13:35.10 | DustyBin | wols_: so the only advantage of using AAC is at lower bit rates where it does perform better than a mp3 using the same bit rate |
| 13:35.11 | wols_ | oops. that was still in the buffer |
| 13:35.25 | kellis | Hi all, could anyone advise on a touchpad problem. I got a alps touchpad (configured using synaptics) I have issues with the 4-way scroll button. Up goes down. Left does nothing, and Right or down cause all kinds of random behaviour. |
| 13:35.27 | wols_ | pretty much. at least in real world |
| 13:35.43 | wols_ | especially considering on what you play the mp3 and aac files |
| 13:35.56 | wols_ | not as if your ipod earphones would give you hifi quality |
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| 13:36.22 | DustyBin | wols_: i have a Cambridge Audio digital reciever connected to my MythTV box, what is connected to £1000 5.1 quad-lite speakers |
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| 13:38.39 | wols_ | note that mp3 is not created equal |
| 13:38.56 | wols_ | lame vbr encoded files are different than some shitty musicmatch ones |
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| 13:39.36 | kellis | Anyone? could anyone advise on a touchpad problem. I got a alps touchpad (configured using synaptics) I have issues with the 4-way scroll button. Up goes down. Left does nothing, and Right or down cause all kinds of random behaviour. |
| 13:39.42 | DustyBin | wols_: if i do encode all my music into the AAC format using itunes, i can play back AAC files on linux using libfaac, would the linux decoding process of a AAC file be exactly the same as how a Ipod / Itunes would do it |
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| 13:40.06 | wols_ | dunno. don't use AAC |
| 13:40.12 | leonardo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.22 | wols_ | but decoding is usually no biggie |
| 13:40.30 | DustyBin | decoding is absolute? |
| 13:40.34 | wols_ | only tghe encoding where you decide whatto remove and encode |
| 13:40.40 | DustyBin | yep |
| 13:41.14 | wols_ | leonardo: sin packages`? |
| 13:41.29 | leonardo | from debian sin |
| 13:41.34 | wols_ | !sid |
| 13:41.35 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 13:41.35 | leonardo | i'm on debian lenny |
| 13:41.38 | leonardo | yes sid |
| 13:41.50 | wols_ | so you did a backport or what? how did you install it? |
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| 13:42.23 | DustyBin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#AAC.E2.80.99s_improvements_over_MP3 |
| 13:42.32 | leonardo | by a package from sid . i downloaded the package and installed |
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| 13:42.41 | wols_ | installed HOW? |
| 13:42.51 | wols_ | and downloaded HOW? |
| 13:42.55 | leonardo | dpkg -i file name i downloaded |
| 13:43.22 | wols_ | leonardo: no |
| 13:43.25 | leonardo | downloaded from sid packages |
| 13:43.28 | wols_ | won't get updated |
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| 13:43.35 | leonardo | why? |
| 13:43.47 | wols_ | how would it know there is a newer package in sid? |
| 13:43.58 | wols_ | it will be updated as soon as lenny has a newer package |
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| 13:44.49 | leonardo | on lenny doesn't exist the program, when be exist this will replace? |
| 13:45.00 | leonardo | will i have problems? |
| 13:45.54 | wols_ | it is sid and testing: there are always problems |
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| 13:47.18 | need-help | hi all debian gurus |
| 13:47.36 | leonardo | i didn't understand wols |
| 13:47.48 | leonardo | so i never can add sid packages on lenny |
| 13:47.51 | leonardo | ? |
| 13:48.05 | wols_ | you can but it's not advisable |
| 13:48.12 | wols_ | !tell leonardo about bobbitt |
| 13:48.23 | wols_ | it's a good way to break your debian sooner or later |
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| 13:48.45 | need-help | can someboday tell me if there is any other file in debial accept /etc/issue |
| 13:48.58 | need-help | to add information after boot up |
| 13:49.09 | wols_ | motd |
| 13:49.17 | wols_ | !motd |
| 13:49.18 | dpkg | motd is probably the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
| 13:49.23 | leonardo | crazy thing |
| 13:49.38 | leonardo | i thought i'll not have problems |
| 13:49.44 | wols_ | !tell leonardo about simple sid backport |
| 13:50.04 | tralala | leonardo, funny isn't it - only debian stable is actually stable |
| 13:50.04 | leonardo | so all plackages i installed by dpkg -i it's a problem |
| 13:50.28 | wols_ | ALL your packages are installed with dpkg, every single one of them except maybe the base package |
| 13:50.44 | wols_ | the question is where are the packages from |
| 13:51.24 | need-help | dpkg: is there an other |
| 13:51.27 | need-help | file |
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| 13:51.44 | wols_ | dpkg: what are you |
| 13:51.44 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:51.57 | wols_ | !wayttd need-help |
| 13:51.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, need-help? |
| 13:52.05 | DawnLight | how do i grep for a space at the end of the line? |
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| 13:52.20 | need-help | look |
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| 13:52.36 | Nyle | good morning guys |
| 13:52.38 | leonardo | but is it possible to create or update debian package to be added on debian lenny |
| 13:52.41 | wols_ | DawnLight: using a regex |
| 13:52.46 | need-help | i have a spcial configured debian installation from company |
| 13:52.49 | DawnLight | wols_: i'm sure |
| 13:52.53 | need-help | after startup |
| 13:52.58 | wols_ | need-help: define specially configured? |
| 13:53.02 | need-help | there is a meassage from that company |
| 13:53.11 | wols_ | grep for the message |
| 13:53.21 | need-help | i want to delete it but cannot finde where the put the message |
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| 13:53.35 | wols_ | grep -r "message" /* |
| 13:53.38 | wols_ | as root |
| 13:53.52 | need-help | ahh cool |
| 13:53.55 | need-help | thank you |
| 13:54.04 | need-help | this chanell is really helpfull |
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| 13:54.36 | wols_ | leonardo: I already told you |
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| 13:55.01 | leonardo | didn''t see sorry |
| 13:55.28 | wols_ | you do a simple sid backport |
| 13:55.42 | leonardo | backport |
| 13:55.48 | leonardo | what is this? |
| 13:56.41 | wols_ | read what dpkg told you |
| 13:56.49 | wols_ | only 7 minutes ago |
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| 13:59.52 | mike1o | !italian |
| 13:59.52 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
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| 14:21.52 | mike1o | !winmodem |
| 14:21.52 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 14:22.07 | mike1o | !winmodem-trick |
| 14:22.07 | dpkg | well, winmodem-trick is Curious whether you have a winmodem or not? su or login as root and type: grep 16550 /var/log/messages If you get something back, then you DONT have a winmodem, the 16550 is the UART which controls certain things about the modem. Winmodems dont have UARTs because all r/t work is done by the cpu. |
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| 14:22.22 | abrotman | !tell mike1o about msg the bot |
| 14:22.24 | abrotman | again ... |
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| 14:23.26 | mike1o | sorry |
| 14:23.29 | doublehp_ | which package contains fsck.ntfs ? |
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| 14:24.17 | abrotman | !tell doublehp_ about search |
| 14:24.32 | mike1o | !tell mike1o about modem |
| 14:24.39 | need-help | dpkg |
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| 14:24.49 | abrotman | mike1o: you're not learning .. /msg dpkg foo |
| 14:24.50 | need-help | i grepd |
| 14:25.06 | need-help | grep -r "message" / |
| 14:25.06 | doublehp_ | abrotman: "fsck /dev/hdb1" => "fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found" ... why does the distro complain about a missing application it does not provide ? nonsens to me :s |
| 14:25.18 | abrotman | !find fsck.ntfs |
| 14:25.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fsck.ntfs' returned no results. |
| 14:25.44 | need-help | but it was showing me /dev/vcs1 |
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| 14:26.16 | doublehp_ | abrotman: I installed ntfsprogs ntfs-3g before coming here, but as you say, obviously none of them contains what fsck; I tried a dozen of apt-cache search also ... |
| 14:26.17 | need-help | but this is showing me something not readable |
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| 14:26.56 | peppe | AFAIK there's no fsck for ntfs. there is a ntfsfix which fix only trivial errors, and marks filesystem "dirty" in order to force windows to check it |
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| 14:27.46 | doublehp_ | abrotman: so, how can any distro complain I am missing a file that I cant have any way ? it d be like complaining a 4y child to not measure 1m80 yet ... I am really disturbed by this error message |
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| 14:28.11 | doublehp_ | this means ... fsck is going to fail anyway, and thus, I consider fsck to have a bug |
| 14:28.43 | abrotman | doublehp_: i don't use linux to touch ntfs except via cifs |
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| 14:29.22 | doublehp_ | abrotman: I just ask Linux to boot every day; and, for now, Debian halts at every boot because of fsck complaining about "this" disk. |
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| 14:29.35 | abrotman | doublehp_: then don't set that partition to auto |
| 14:30.20 | doublehp_ | peppe: thanks; tried, gotta reboot to check if worked. abrotman thanks. Bye. |
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| 14:34.30 | mounika | hi |
| 14:34.56 | mounika | i download xchat in my system |
| 14:35.06 | mounika | and trying to chat |
| 14:35.15 | mounika | can others see my msgs |
| 14:35.30 | althaser | sure :) |
| 14:35.31 | maligor | yes, and your username looks questionable, heh |
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| 14:36.40 | mike1o | what window manager do u suggest for a 32MB RAM box? |
| 14:37.14 | maligor | mike1o, wmaker maybe? |
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| 14:38.34 | maligor | mounika, and by username I mean the ADMINIST, not the nick :) |
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| 14:42.11 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 14:42.26 | dazjorz | Is it normal that when I su and then type w, root isn't showed in the list? |
| 14:42.37 | dazjorz | But my normal user is? |
| 14:43.24 | cheetahw26 | anyone know how i can connect to a vnc server from debian client using limited colors/bits.. i was to use like 8 colors.. |
| 14:43.30 | cheetahw26 | the connection is really really slow |
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| 14:44.34 | cheetahw26 | i have tried.. -quality 0 -depth 8... |
| 14:44.48 | cheetahw26 | but they dont seem to have any change at all |
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| 14:46.08 | Aprendiz | Hello, I want to use ALT+TAB like in window$. This works sometimes only. Someone knows what I have to do to put it in work (sorry about my English) |
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| 14:47.40 | cyzie | hello, how do i setup apache to use https(tls) ? |
| 14:47.54 | Roobarb | cyzie: install and configure mod_Ssl |
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| 14:48.32 | edthefox | is alsa the only was to set up sound in debian? |
| 14:48.57 | mounika | hmm thank u |
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| 14:49.05 | cyzie | Roobarb, any good url ? |
| 14:49.06 | dazjorz | Aprendiz: that isn't related to Debian :) |
| 14:49.09 | Dewi | in my ppp config I have the options 'persist' and 'maxfail 0' |
| 14:49.13 | Dewi | but sometimes it still gives up |
| 14:49.16 | Dewi | the daemon dies |
| 14:49.20 | Dewi | and my ADSL never comes back up |
| 14:49.24 | dazjorz | Aprendiz: I think you'll find more help in your display managers' channel |
| 14:49.35 | dazjorz | Aprendiz: such as #gnome, #fluxbox, #kde, #xfce, [...] |
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| 14:50.01 | dazjorz | edthefox: there are several sound daemons, like oss and more |
| 14:50.06 | dazjorz | including alsa :) |
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| 14:52.11 | edthefox | everytime i try to acces the mixer i get this message ->alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
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| 14:52.48 | dnanar | hi all |
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| 14:53.48 | abrotman | edthefox: do you have the mixer stuff loaded ? |
| 14:53.58 | Roobarb | cyzie: a2enmod ssl to start with |
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| 14:54.33 | cyzie | Roobarb, yea, i did tried that before asking here. |
| 14:54.34 | dnanar | when i'm laynching xdvi, i have got some Warning messages (Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct \n Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct ), even if i do "xdvi a.dvi >> /dev/null". Does anyone know how to silence those messages please ? |
| 14:54.50 | cyzie | Roobarb, that is just create a symlink from the mods-available to mods-enabled. |
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| 14:55.11 | asdf | hi all how can I know when a process started ? |
| 14:55.11 | edthefox | abrotman: i think so i ran alsaconf and it apeared to install correctly |
| 14:55.13 | Roobarb | cyzie: you'll probably have to add "Listen 443" to /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 14:55.35 | doublehp_ | peppe: abrotman was PEBCAK : wrong fs type in fstab, hang on boot was not due to this partition but a broken ext3 ... but still, I consider that fsck asking for fsck.ntfs not proposed in the distro is nonsens/bug. |
| 14:55.40 | cyzie | Roobarb, yes, did that as well. |
| 14:56.01 | Roobarb | cyzie: then you'll need to configure an SSL Vhost - http://www.linux-corner.info/httpd/httpd.conf has an example config |
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| 14:56.20 | Roobarb | cyzie: perosnally I don't use the debian httpd configurations, I roll my own |
| 14:56.23 | peppe | doublehp_: report a "wishlist" bug :) |
| 14:56.33 | abrotman | doublehp_: all your fault! |
| 14:56.55 | doublehp_ | thanks for help , have nice day :) |
| 14:57.13 | dnanar | anyone may help me please ? :-) |
| 14:57.47 | cyzie | Roobarb, thanks for the e.g. might have been stuck at the sslcertificatefile |
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| 15:05.55 | dnanar | does anyone know how to redirect messages sent to stderr please ? |
| 15:07.19 | pa7iQ`` | dnanar: you mean command 2> /whatever ? |
| 15:07.45 | dnanar | pa7iQ``: yes it works , thanks :D |
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| 15:08.08 | jim_p | hi |
| 15:08.38 | jim_p | does anyone use gmail with icedove? i experience some weird problems today |
| 15:09.21 | jim_p | !icedove |
| 15:09.21 | dpkg | somebody said icedove was a fork to replace thunderbird. Debian is unable to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name due to trademark restrictions. See also DFSG, iceweasel, or gnuzilla http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. |
| 15:10.13 | pa7iQ`` | how can I specify a kernel paramenter in grub to load 2 modules? |
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| 15:11.29 | gourmand | pa7iQ``: you put these modules into initrd.img |
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| 15:13.04 | gourmand | pa7iQ``: or, if these modules are not necessary for the early boot, list them in /etc/modules |
| 15:13.42 | pa7iQ`` | these are necessary, they are ata_piix and jmicron |
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| 15:14.38 | gourmand | pa7iQ``: so, update-initramfs is your friend |
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| 15:15.26 | pa7iQ`` | gourmand: what do you mean I put into initrd.img? I put it there with update-initramfs? |
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| 15:16.59 | gourmand | pa7iQ``: yes, google or man it |
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| 15:17.12 | Bushmills | 'morning |
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| 15:25.37 | pa7iQ`` | so I list the 2 modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules then run update-initramfs -u |
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| 15:25.41 | madclicker | hi, looking for a IT support helpdesk system |
| 15:25.52 | abrotman | i don't do phones |
| 15:26.07 | abrotman | madclicker: you're going to have to be more specific |
| 15:27.11 | madclicker | abrotman, to be able to create workorder tickets and so forth through a web interface |
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| 15:27.49 | Spec | madclicker: trac? |
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| 15:28.06 | damdalf | hey |
| 15:28.24 | damdalf | anybody know anything about "Quanta Plus"?? |
| 15:29.15 | madclicker | Spec, that is for software developers, I need something for regular IT support |
| 15:29.19 | Spec | madclicker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue_tracking_systems |
| 15:29.24 | Spec | madclicker: i use TRAC for IT support sir. |
| 15:30.12 | gourmand | pa7iQ``: yes, but backup your original initrd.img first and use it if the new one fails |
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| 15:30.26 | Spec | I think "Request Tracker" is a very popular IT ticket tracker |
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| 15:31.53 | madclicker | Spec, its email request like otrs, i need more of a workorder ticket system |
| 15:32.00 | gourmand | pa7iQ``: you can edit your grub line at boot time in the case of the emergency |
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| 15:32.23 | Spec | madclicker: work order ticket system? |
| 15:32.40 | gourmand | pa7iQ``: or you can add the duplicate entry to your /boot/grub/menu.lst with the old initrd |
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| 15:34.34 | LoPMX | hi guys |
| 15:35.13 | pa7iQ`` | gourmand: ok thanks. |
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| 15:36.10 | LoPMX | is it possible to keep few versions with apt-get and switch between them? |
| 15:36.28 | valdyn | LoPMX: versions of what? |
| 15:36.46 | XoX | is it possible to upload adobe PostScript windows drivers to windows via IPP instead of samba ? |
| 15:37.00 | LoPMX | valdyn: i'd like to upgrade ruby to new version, but i'd like to revert back to current version in case sth breaks |
| 15:37.18 | valdyn | LoPMX: that is downgrading, which you can try, but its not supported |
| 15:37.28 | valdyn | LoPMX: apt-get install packagename=version |
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| 15:37.41 | valdyn | LoPMX: you cant have both installed at a time |
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| 15:38.08 | valdyn | i suppose a fs snapshot would be neat for that |
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| 15:40.58 | LoPMX | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 15:41.17 | heatman | Hello. When trying to install apache2 i get the following error: E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 15:41.17 | heatman | E: Unable to lock the download directory. Ive tried to kill apt-get but that does not work. any idea of what can be done? |
| 15:41.27 | valdyn | heatman: kill how? |
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| 15:42.04 | heatman | valdyn : killall -w apt-get or killall apt-get |
| 15:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | heatman: well, and is it gone? |
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| 15:42.22 | valdyn | heatman: any dpkg process still running? |
| 15:43.04 | heatman | valdyn: possibly my pc crashed maybe it was still doing updates... how would i go to kill a dpkg process? |
| 15:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ps aux |egrep 'apt|dpkg' |
| 15:43.13 | heatman | sec |
| 15:43.20 | valdyn | heatman: same way as any other process |
| 15:44.02 | valdyn | heatman: only dpkg locks that directory, dpkg can be used by apt-get or aptitude or synaptic or whatever, killing dpkg addresses the issue directly, killing apt-get does not |
| 15:44.21 | valdyn | heatman: but if its a stale lockfile from a crash, just delete it |
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| 15:45.24 | heatman | cutmeownthr: 11608 0.0 4.0 13556 10480 pts/1 T 10:19 0:00 apt-get install |
| 15:45.43 | valdyn | !tab completion |
| 15:45.44 | dpkg | Hit <tab> to complete the nick ( on irc ), the program- or filename ( in bash ) or various program parameters ( in bash with tab-completion scripts enabled ) |
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| 15:46.37 | heatman | valdyn: well seems like i cant kill those process |
| 15:46.53 | valdyn | heatman: killall -5 apt-get |
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| 15:48.28 | heatman | valdyn: hmmm |
| 15:48.55 | pa7iQ`` | gourmand: thanks again, module loads, system boots! |
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| 15:50.14 | heatman | valdyn: it still wont kill it because when i use cutmeownthr's command i still have a few dpkg process stalled in the background even after using killall -5 |
| 15:50.30 | rela | hi :) |
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| 15:52.49 | Synchronized | '/dev/hda3 has been mounted 21 times without being checked, forcing check..' why is it checking hda3? |
| 15:53.11 | SPF | it's sceduled |
| 15:53.14 | SPF | every 120 days or sp |
| 15:53.16 | SPF | *so |
| 15:53.29 | beardy | It says quite clearly.. |
| 15:53.35 | Synchronized | single user mode is more fun then using it with graphics |
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| 15:55.11 | abrotman | Synchronized: it tells you why |
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| 15:56.40 | onechar | you can change that using tune2fs |
| 15:56.52 | tymonn | Hei :D |
| 15:57.06 | tymonn | sombury has an ATI GRAPHIC CARD? |
| 15:58.05 | Synchronized | heh it looks cool when you do cat /* |
| 15:58.12 | ronr | tymonn: many people do |
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| 15:59.30 | tymonn | :) |
| 15:59.41 | tymonn | how do you install the driver? |
| 15:59.55 | tymonn | i was tryin to install the ATI with the fglrx |
| 16:00.06 | tymonn | but i didnt succeed |
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| 16:00.21 | CandleCandle | Right: so X was working juwst fine yesterday, I don't think I've changed anything (but blatently have!) Now when X tries to start, I'm getting 'XIO: fatel error (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.' -- a) what's broken, and b) how do I fix it? |
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| 16:00.45 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 16:00.46 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 16:00.58 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
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| 16:01.24 | tymonn | ronr: do you have one? |
| 16:01.30 | ronr | tymonn: yes |
| 16:02.13 | abrotman | tymonn: which one do you have? |
| 16:02.27 | tymonn | HD2400 |
| 16:02.33 | tymonn | mobility |
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| 16:04.28 | tymonn | ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400 |
| 16:04.48 | andrej__ | hello! i got a problem some keyboard buttons don't work how can i fix this i got all updated to sid can someone help me ? |
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| 16:04.50 | Synchronized | my laptop has an ati rage mobility something |
| 16:04.58 | asmarin | hi im trying to install a new kernel on sarge |
| 16:05.13 | asmarin | but has dependecies and cant make a dist-upgrade because im on a production server |
| 16:05.18 | asmarin | how i can solve it? |
| 16:05.20 | asmarin | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686: Depende: coreutils (>= 5.96) pero 5.2.1-2 va a ser instalado |
| 16:05.20 | asmarin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.20 | asmarin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.20 | asmarin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.33 | chops | !tell asmarin about backports |
| 16:05.45 | chops | !tell asmarin about paste |
| 16:05.51 | andrej__ | =) |
| 16:06.08 | Daveman | Hey Abrotman :) |
| 16:06.10 | Daveman | enjoying the SNOW? |
| 16:06.14 | andrej__ | !hell andrej__ about backports |
| 16:06.18 | Daveman | THE GLORIOUS WHITE POWDER OF THE GODS! |
| 16:06.23 | chops | !tell asmarin to upgrade to etch already |
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| 16:06.28 | abrotman | yes .. except i was supposed to drive up north tonight .. not going to happen |
| 16:06.38 | Daveman | rut roh |
| 16:06.40 | hoxu | What should I use for local DNS caching? I live in a suppressed country (Finland), so I'd like to use OpenDNS but I'm afraid of the performance impact |
| 16:06.44 | abrotman | !tell andrej__ about selftell |
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| 16:06.50 | chops | hoxu: dnsmasq is good |
| 16:06.50 | Daveman | Kind of like I was supposed to go to work this morning |
| 16:06.56 | Daveman | but hell, that's not happening now! :D |
| 16:06.57 | abrotman | slacker |
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| 16:07.08 | tymonn | ronr: i am tryin to install xorg-driver-fglrx |
| 16:07.10 | hoxu | another option would be to ignore certain bad DNS answers and query OpenDNS for those only, but I don't think that's possible? |
| 16:07.28 | tymonn | ronr: what do i do to put it on my repositories |
| 16:07.54 | hoxu | chops, I'll have a look at it, thanks :) |
| 16:08.01 | chops | hoxu: np |
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| 16:11.39 | alvin_lee | Hi. |
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| 16:12.17 | alvin_lee | I want to install qt3 to compile a program here... what package must I to install? |
| 16:12.56 | ronr | tymonn: I just download the driver from ati and use the buildpackage option it has, there are debian packages in etch as well I think but I never use those |
| 16:14.02 | chops | alvin_lee: I'd start with qt3-apps-dev |
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| 16:14.39 | alvin_lee | chops: it comes with *.h files? |
| 16:14.47 | tymonn | ronr: hmm :) but u cant play anything 3D withe those right? |
| 16:14.53 | alvin_lee | or only .so files? |
| 16:14.55 | chops | alvin_lee: Generally the -dev packages provide the headers, yes |
| 16:15.14 | chops | alvin_lee: You might also try libqt3-mt-dev |
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| 16:15.20 | abrotman | alvin_lee: qt3-dev |
| 16:15.22 | alvin_lee | hum... right... |
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| 16:15.53 | gaoyu | i want to compile c programe,i inatalled build-essential ,that is enough? |
| 16:16.06 | chops | gaoyu: If it doesn't depend on any libraries, then yes. |
| 16:17.15 | alvin_lee | chops: what is -headers? |
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| 16:17.37 | chops | alvin_lee: .h files are headers |
| 16:18.10 | alvin_lee | well here have libqt3-headers |
| 16:18.47 | alvin_lee | -dev == -headers? |
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| 16:19.11 | chops | alvin_lee: That might work as well, yes. -dev is a more standard idiom; I'm not sure why qt would provide headers in a separate package. |
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| 16:19.37 | abrotman | alvin_lee: apt-cache -- search qt3 -dev |
| 16:19.39 | chops | alvin_lee: You could also try it and see, of course. It might be quicker than asking here about each package :-) |
| 16:20.06 | alvin_lee | heh ok |
| 16:20.13 | alvin_lee | well thanks by help |
| 16:20.20 | chops | alvin_lee: np |
| 16:20.24 | Daveman | goddamn, synching 1000 repos is boring |
| 16:20.46 | CandleCandle | Daveman: pipe 'yes' into it? |
| 16:21.10 | Daveman | hahahaha |
| 16:21.16 | Daveman | shit man, you made me choke on my chocolate |
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| 16:23.58 | chops | Problematic support question of the day: A member of a development mailing list wants to know how to change the base class of a C++ object at runtime, after it's been created. |
| 16:24.01 | chops | :-/ |
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| 16:25.05 | ronr | tymonn: dunno, didn't try to use it (glxgears is current broken but used to work, haven't had time nor need to figure out why) |
| 16:25.10 | cizra | chops: heh heh. |
| 16:25.11 | jelly | chops: the correct response to that is probably wayttd |
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| 16:26.47 | ManuP | !curl |
| 16:26.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, curl is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, TFTP, Telnet, DICT, FILE and LDAP. supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, Kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password authentication, file transfer resume, http proxy tunneling. distributed under MIT License; apt-get install curl; |
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| 16:31.24 | jelly | has anyone successfully made sshfs to work with autofs, and if so, how? |
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| 16:32.42 | YodaYoda | CandleCandle: Pastebin your xorg.conf |
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| 16:37.12 | vlt | Hello. I got an aes encrypted container file from crosscrypt here. It is plain aes ecrypted, no extra headers added. The container file was mounted on Windows using `echo PASSPHRASE | filedisk.exe /mount container 8G x: /aes256`. Any idea what's the equivalent linux shell command? I tried `aespipe -d -e aes256 < containerfile | hd`, had to enter the passphrase but that doesn't look like a file system yet. |
| 16:37.24 | vlt | How can I tell aespipe to read a file as passphrase source? Do I need some more options like hash algo? Did anyone tried to use a crosscrypt container on linux before? |
| 16:37.36 | vlt | Can "cryptsetup" on Debian Etch handle plain aes encrypted files? If I remember right, there's no extra header added when NOT using LUKS, right? |
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| 16:39.22 | gourmand | vlt: it depends on how crosscrypt hashes passwords |
| 16:39.23 | chops | vlt: openssl may be able to make a decrypted copy for you if you give it the right arguments; that's what I use for dealing with that sort of raw encrypted data |
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| 16:39.59 | CandleCandle | YodaYoda: http://pastebin.com/m63912669 |
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| 16:40.59 | vlt | I hoped to find someone here who has experience with crosscrypt and had to do the same after switching to Debian ... |
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| 16:45.16 | dunking | Hello |
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| 16:48.05 | bthornton | Are there any ways to make NFSv4 more "low bandwidth friendly"? I've currently got some NFSv4 mounts going over a VPN which is going over a 768 Kbps DSL line and it is painfully slow (much slower than sftp, for example). |
| 16:48.05 | smhar | what is the latest kernel available in testing? |
| 16:48.49 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 16:48.55 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+11 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 16:49.49 | piju | hello all debianista |
| 16:49.49 | smhar | chops, then why I only see 2.6.22.3 in my apt-cache? |
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| 16:50.23 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6.22-686 lenny |
| 16:50.33 | chops | Er |
| 16:51.16 | chops | smhar: What you say does not contradict the latest version of the 2.6 metapackage being 2.6.22+11 |
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| 16:52.01 | chops | smhar: So you asked apt-cache what the latest kernel in testing was, and you didn't like the answer, so you asked here? :-) |
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| 16:52.58 | rela | lol |
| 16:53.09 | smhar | I have my this in my sources: ftp.be.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 16:54.05 | alex__ | sup lads, what would be the best package for a shoutcast relay? would icecast be one of the better ones? |
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| 16:55.34 | chops | smhar: FWIW, that looks to me like a security updates line, not a standard testing source line. |
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| 16:58.11 | karrotx__ | webalizer says it requires dbopen, there doesn't seem to be a package like that |
| 16:58.24 | karrotx__ | is there some substitute i can use? |
| 16:58.56 | xlotlu | how can i pin something that has nothing pinnable in the Release file? |
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| 17:02.08 | need-help | hi all again |
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| 17:02.19 | chops | karrotx__: webalized is in Debian, so what it needs must be provided somewhere in Debian |
| 17:02.22 | chops | *webalizer |
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| 17:02.35 | chairmeleon | hello. anyone else having trouble with automounting of local ext3 partitions in Debian Lenny/KDE? |
| 17:02.37 | need-help | how con i grep for conntents in files |
| 17:02.37 | andrej__ | where can i find the kpackage log ? |
| 17:02.48 | karrotx__ | chops: the webalizer that came with etch does NOT work properly, everytime i make a change to "TitleName" nothing happens |
| 17:02.49 | abrotman | !tell need-help about grounding |
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| 17:02.58 | karrotx__ | i rebuilt webalizer; now it's working as it should |
| 17:03.15 | ks | what is debian os tree url ? |
| 17:03.17 | karrotx__ | but it does not have the countries resolved, so i need to enable dns |
| 17:03.38 | chops | karrotx__: Did you try the simple sid backport? How did you rebuild it? |
| 17:03.39 | Daveman | :] |
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| 17:03.52 | karrotx__ | chops: grabbed it from source |
| 17:03.56 | chairmeleon | I really need help with getting local automounting to work. Is there anyone that has it working in KDE? |
| 17:04.14 | karrotx__ | chops: it's complaining that it needs a db that's v1.85 compatible |
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| 17:04.22 | chops | karrotx__: I would strongly recommend starting with a simple sid backport first. Then, if it's still buggy, you can file a bug and/or investigate the bug yourself. |
| 17:04.33 | StylusEater | hi. I'm trying to establish a tunnel from my host to a server and I keep getting a "channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" |
| 17:04.39 | chops | karrotx__: That's exactly the sort of problem that package management was invented for :-) |
| 17:05.04 | karrotx__ | right |
| 17:05.17 | karrotx__ | chops: but i'm tired of dealing with headaches over this debian package |
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| 17:05.41 | karrotx__ | i think a simple berkley db will be fine, but i'm not sure what package name it is |
| 17:06.14 | chops | karrotx__: Okay. Good luck with the headaches over _not_ using it :-). You might take a look through the sid webalizer's build dependencies to get an idea of what packages provide the things it needs. |
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| 17:06.28 | chops | karrotx__: Bear in mind that you may have to upgrade something beyond what's in etch (not necessarily, but it's possible). |
| 17:06.49 | karrotx__ | where can i view this? |
| 17:07.00 | chops | !source |
| 17:07.00 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us - uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 17:07.38 | chops | karrotx__: Add a sid sources line, do all of that up to and including 'apt-get source', and examine webalizer-*/debian/control |
| 17:07.47 | abrotman | a sid deb-src line |
| 17:08.05 | chops | karrotx__: In fact, after you've done the build-dep step, webalizer may simply compile. Also, yes, what abrotman said. |
| 17:08.10 | karrotx__ | this wont effect anything with regular apt, right? |
| 17:08.18 | abrotman | chops: he doesn't need a regular sid deb line |
| 17:08.18 | chops | karrotx__: Be careful not to add a sid deb line and upgrade to sid accidentally :-) |
| 17:08.22 | StylusEater | anyone? :-) |
| 17:08.28 | abrotman | karrotx__: show us your sources before yu do anything else |
| 17:08.29 | chops | abrotman: Yes, I was unclear. Thanks. |
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| 17:08.45 | karrotx__ | should i remove my previous deb-src lists for etch? |
| 17:08.57 | abrotman | karrotx__: no |
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| 17:09.23 | karrotx__ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:09.25 | karrotx__ | that look right? |
| 17:09.47 | chops | karrotx__: You should use http.us.debian.org (or whatever your country is) instead of security.debian.org, but yes |
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| 17:13.21 | karrotx__ | i'm getting errors saying: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/dists/sid/non-free/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 17:14.14 | chops | karrotx__: Argh, sorry: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:14.41 | chops | karrotx__: I missed the /debian at the end of the URL |
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| 17:14.52 | karrotx__ | has to be /debian for sid? |
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| 17:15.23 | madhuras | karrotx__: are you behind a proxy? |
| 17:15.25 | chops | karrotx__: It is on my system |
| 17:15.59 | Jake[work] | Trying to get quota working... |
| 17:16.03 | Jake[work] | IVRUNX01:/etc# mount -o remount /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 |
| 17:16.05 | karrotx__ | no |
| 17:16.09 | Jake[work] | mount: / not mounted already, or bad option |
| 17:16.14 | Jake[work] | any ideas? |
| 17:16.35 | karrotx__ | uh... |
| 17:16.39 | mbroeker | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/non-free/source/Sources.gz |
| 17:16.47 | karrotx__ | "The following packages are unused and will be removed?" |
| 17:16.53 | karrotx__ | why the hell does it need to remove packages? |
| 17:17.03 | chops | karrotx__: Can you pastebin your entire sources.list? |
| 17:17.11 | chops | karrotx__: And the exact command you're running and its output? |
| 17:17.12 | karrotx__ | sure |
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| 17:18.07 | Jake[work] | i changed fstab already |
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| 17:18.30 | roddersg | what would be the fastest method of backing up files across the network? samba/ftp/nfs/ssh? |
| 17:18.32 | need-help | hey debian freaks |
| 17:18.44 | need-help | really need help |
| 17:18.46 | karrotx__ | http://www.pastebin.ca/914124 |
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| 17:19.15 | madhuras | roddersg: fastest in terms of deployment or transfer rate? |
| 17:19.28 | Jake[work] | samba is neither |
| 17:19.33 | lurch | how do i check log files to see why a cron job didnt execute? |
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| 17:20.01 | roddersg | madhuras, transfer rate (other than using tftp) |
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| 17:20.16 | roddersg | I know that ssh and samba have large overheads |
| 17:20.32 | petemc | they do? |
| 17:20.38 | madhuras | roddersg: Haven't tried much but I'll go for ftp, although some of the people in my university use NFS too |
| 17:21.14 | roddersg | I have a nas and would like to backup my files and was looking at alternatives for a fast backup |
| 17:21.38 | roddersg | I remember someone using netcat and tar, but can't remember how that is done |
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| 17:22.12 | madhuras | roddersg: I think some experts here will have a better idea than me in this regard :) . Keep trying |
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| 17:22.33 | pleed_ | Does someone use irssi-proxy here? i have problems connecting to it |
| 17:22.44 | karrotx__ | chops: http://www.pastebin.ca/914124 |
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| 17:23.24 | Jake[work] | aarge - spelling error in fstab!!! |
| 17:23.54 | chairmeleon | does ANYONE in here autmount their local partitions in kde? |
| 17:24.13 | chops | roddersg: tar c / | nc -l -p 6060 (on machine to be backed up) |
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| 17:24.36 | chops | roddersg: nc servername 6060 | tar x (on machine to take backup, from the directory where the backup should go) |
| 17:24.39 | mounika | hi |
| 17:24.41 | roddersg | ohhhh chops thats great |
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| 17:25.04 | roddersg | that's what I was looking for |
| 17:25.10 | chops | roddersg: Or you can do nc servername 6060 > backupfile.tar on the machine to take the backup. You probably want a few more options to tar on the server, too, obviously |
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| 17:26.02 | chops | karrotx__: What's the output of 'apt-cache policy libc6' and 'apt-cache policy apache-common'? |
| 17:26.13 | pleed_ | roddersg: rdiff-backup will do incremental backup over scp |
| 17:26.30 | karrotx__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.30 | karrotx__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.32 | roddersg | scp and ssh have encryption overheads |
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| 17:27.52 | chops | karrotx__: So it looks like aptitude is concluding that you don't need some libraries anymore and that you should take some security upgrades. I'm inclined to agree with it on both counts (though you may want to keep resolvconf installed). You can try 'aptitude dist-upgrade' and sort out anything surprising that it wants to do before continuing. |
| 17:28.12 | chops | karrotx__: Those operations aren't directly related to the webalizer issue, though; it looks like you just haven't used aptitude in a while. |
| 17:28.30 | karrotx__ | there is no way in hell i'm doing that on a production box |
| 17:28.58 | chops | karrotx__: As always, YMMV -- if you've got a locally-build apache 1.3 that needs libapr0, you should tell aptitude to keep those packages around. |
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| 17:29.51 | pleed_ | My problem is that my irssi-proxy behaves like an irc server when connecting from outside the LAN (VPN) |
| 17:29.53 | chops | karrotx__: You can say +libapr0 +libasn1-6-heimdal +libdb4.1 (and so on...) at aptitude's [Y/n/?] prompt to tell it not to automatically remove those packages if you'd prefer to keep them. |
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| 17:30.31 | karrotx__ | chops: i use apt-get, would aptitude be any different? |
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| 17:30.46 | chops | karrotx__: You're using aptitude in that pastebin |
| 17:30.49 | karrotx__ | after taking out the deb-src and running apt-get update; packages don't complain |
| 17:31.03 | karrotx__ | i know, that's what's in the help for getting sid packages |
| 17:31.08 | chops | karrotx__: Packages don't complain using aptitude, or they don't complain using apt-get? |
| 17:31.15 | karrotx__ | apt-get |
| 17:31.31 | chops | karrotx__: Well, that's the issue -- it's nothing to do with the deb-src line. |
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| 17:31.47 | chops | karrotx__: You can use apt-get for that 'install build-essential etc.' line if you'd prefer that |
| 17:32.41 | chops | karrotx__: Better IMHO to get used to using aptitude, since for the functionality that it duplicates from apt-get it almost always does a better job, but there's no specific reason not to just keep using apt-get. |
| 17:33.34 | karrotx__ | ah, apt-get doesn't complain like the other |
| 17:33.34 | chops | karrotx__: Installing the security updates (particularly for apache and php) is absolutely something that you want to do, though. |
| 17:34.09 | chops | karrotx__: It's not "complaining", it's making a recommendation to you (which I agree with, as I mentioned). You can override its recommended actions if you don't like them. |
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| 17:34.51 | karrotx__ | apt-get build-dep should actually take care of everything for me |
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| 17:36.51 | chops | karrotx__: nod |
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| 17:39.13 | smhar | oops, this is the line: ftp.be.debian.org/ lenny main non-free contrib . in fact I have other similar lines with ftp.de and ftp.at as well |
| 17:39.26 | smhar | chops, oops, this is the line: ftp.be.debian.org/ lenny main non-free contrib . in fact I have other similar lines with ftp.de and ftp.at as well |
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| 17:41.06 | tymonn | ronr: i quit this ENVY install, can you please tell me the commands u use to install ur graphic card? |
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| 17:44.05 | wols_ | tymonn: depens how far along you went with the envy installaton |
| 17:44.18 | tymonn | i just need to install DKMS |
| 17:44.19 | wols_ | tymonn: what card/chip? |
| 17:44.25 | wols_ | and what debian? |
| 17:44.37 | wols_ | DKMS is? |
| 17:44.38 | tymonn | ATI MOBILITY HD2400 radeon |
| 17:44.44 | tymonn | debian lenny |
| 17:44.51 | tymonn | a ENVY dependency |
| 17:44.54 | wols_ | !tell tymonn about fglrx one-liner |
| 17:45.06 | wols_ | envy is not supported here |
| 17:45.13 | tymonn | crap :x |
| 17:45.27 | wols_ | !info fglrx lenny |
| 17:45.43 | karrotx__ | hah! |
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| 17:45.54 | abrotman | i don't think fglrx supports the 2400 ? |
| 17:46.06 | piju | wols_; can X1200 ATI runs compiz ? |
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| 17:46.14 | karrotx__ | chops: unknown dpkg-buildpackage/debuild option: - |
| 17:46.29 | chops | karrotx__: Can you pastebin your exact command and the full output, please? |
| 17:46.37 | karrotx__ | ah, it's supposed to be -us -c? |
| 17:46.43 | karrotx__ | er -us -uc, not -us - uc |
| 17:46.48 | Wyzard | On a modern Debian system (with udev, z25_persistent-net.rules, etc.), what's a good way to set up MAC address cloning on a particular interface? |
| 17:46.57 | maligor | tymonn, the ati installer can create debs with ati-blabla.run --buildpkg Debian/testing |
| 17:47.15 | wols_ | piju: probably but some low level ati cards are incompatible even if they meet dx9 specs |
| 17:47.16 | humbolto | I have no tun interface on my system |
| 17:47.18 | humbolto | how can I create one? |
| 17:47.18 | maligor | the packages it builds aren't very clean but they work |
| 17:47.19 | wols_ | there is some blacklist |
| 17:47.20 | humbolto | I need it for my openvpn server |
| 17:47.22 | humbolto | have no udev on my system |
| 17:47.37 | chops | karrotx__: I use 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b'. I've not used debuild, though I can't imagine that what's specified in the factoid doesn't work. |
| 17:47.44 | piju | anyone have configured compiz on ATI X1200 here ? |
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| 17:47.49 | wols_ | humbolto: modprobe tun.ko |
| 17:47.57 | wols_ | !tell piju about anyone |
| 17:48.02 | karrotx__ | chops: run 'debuild -us - uc'. |
| 17:48.06 | karrotx__ | it's not - uc, it's -uc |
| 17:48.11 | wols_ | piju: ask #compiz-fusion |
| 17:48.18 | humbolto | wols_: tun modules is loaded |
| 17:48.26 | wols_ | humbolto: ifconfig .a |
| 17:48.27 | chops | humbolto: For the tap interfaces I believe openvpn creates them; not sure about tun. |
| 17:48.29 | wols_ | humbolto: ifconfig -a |
| 17:48.30 | humbolto | wols_: As I said, I have no udef |
| 17:48.41 | chops | karrotx__: With -uc it works? |
| 17:48.45 | wols_ | humbolto: udev. and it's irrelevant |
| 17:48.52 | karrotx__ | yes |
| 17:48.53 | tymonn | thanks a lot |
| 17:48.54 | tymonn | BRB! |
| 17:49.02 | chops | karrotx__: Hm, the factoid should be updated |
| 17:49.39 | chops | k, factoid updated |
| 17:49.43 | chops | !source |
| 17:49.43 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
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| 17:49.52 | humbolto | wols_: Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such file or directory (errno=2) |
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| 17:51.35 | karrotx__ | is there a way to clean to sources? |
| 17:51.56 | wols_ | humbolto: MAKEDEV |
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| 17:52.14 | chops | karrotx__: Do you mean like 'make clean', or do you want to blow away the source tree and .deb components entirely? |
| 17:52.15 | karrotx__ | ls |
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| 17:52.39 | karrotx__ | chops: well everythings going good until the make install part of the debuild |
| 17:52.51 | karrotx__ | i get: /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/users/home/stevea/webalizer-2.01.10/debian/webalizer//usr/local/bin/webalizer': No such file or directory then it errors |
| 17:53.10 | karrotx__ | my prefix=/usr/local for the package |
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| 17:53.27 | chops | karrotx__: Debian packages should not be built with a prefix like that |
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| 17:53.39 | karrotx__ | i understand, this one needs it |
| 17:53.43 | chops | karrotx__: Did you modify the source after you unpacked it, or did you just build it as-is? |
| 17:53.44 | wols_ | akuwamari: no it doesn't |
| 17:53.48 | humbolto | wols_: eventhough I have no udev installed there is still a mount udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 17:54.01 | karrotx__ | chops: i edited debian/rules and changed the prefix to /usr/local |
| 17:54.05 | wols_ | humbolto: us udevd running? |
| 17:54.07 | humbolto | wols_: and MAKEDEV is telling me udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 17:54.09 | chops | karrotx__: But you were using the etch package before, right? You described a bug it had. That wasn't installed in /usr/local. |
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| 17:54.15 | karrotx__ | deleted some of the other unnecessary garbage |
| 17:54.22 | blazer11 | hello all |
| 17:54.25 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible to convert a mac package to linux? i want to connect an airport extreme to my debian network |
| 17:54.26 | chops | karrotx__: Well, then, you'll take responsibility for the results of that change :-). |
| 17:54.26 | wols_ | humbolto: then oyu have UDEV installed. end of story |
| 17:54.32 | humbolto | wols_: ps ax does not show any udev process |
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| 17:54.40 | wols_ | humbolto: are you root? |
| 17:54.45 | humbolto | yes |
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| 17:55.05 | humbolto | this is a xen instance created on debian etch |
| 17:55.10 | wols_ | ls /sbin/udevd |
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| 17:55.50 | humbolto | wols_: believe me there is no udev. ls: /sbin/udevd: No such file or directory |
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| 17:56.20 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.29 | humbolto | wols_: looks like it |
| 17:56.43 | humbolto | wols_: what do you recommend? |
| 17:56.54 | wols_ | for giggles modprobe tun in the host |
| 17:57.01 | karrotx__ | chops: how do i install the package? |
| 17:57.06 | humbolto | did that, does not help |
| 17:57.13 | wols_ | or try and run udev in the guest |
| 17:57.20 | wols_ | karrotx__: dpkg -i it |
| 17:57.35 | karrotx__ | wols_: debuild makes a .deb? |
| 17:57.39 | humbolto | wols_: as udev is not installed, the tun dev is not created on module load |
| 17:57.42 | karrotx__ | where would it have made it? |
| 17:57.52 | wols_ | humbolto: then install it! |
| 17:57.57 | wols_ | karrotx__: in .. |
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| 17:59.22 | humbolto | wols_: sorry if I still bother you. just installed udev, then rmmod tun and modprobe tun. no /dev/net/tun still. |
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| 17:59.50 | humbolto | I'll try a reboot |
| 18:00.04 | humbolto | the udev system process does not show up yet. |
| 18:00.05 | fubu16 | hi all |
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| 18:00.52 | fubu16 | how can i put my system to the older version after apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:00.55 | blazer11 | is there a debain etch netinstall with 2.6.19 kernel? |
| 18:01.08 | wols_ | blazer11: no |
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| 18:01.13 | fubu16 | how to find out |
| 18:01.15 | wols_ | there is one with 2.6.24 or so |
| 18:01.25 | wols_ | !tell fubu16 about downgrade |
| 18:01.35 | chops | fubu16: In general it's not easy or well-supported. See what wols_ sent you though. |
| 18:01.40 | wols_ | !tell blazer11 about kmuto |
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| 18:02.57 | blazer11 | thanks wols |
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| 18:04.54 | blazer11 | wols which kern do you suggest for stability i need atleast 2.6.19 or higher? |
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| 18:05.28 | epsilon | take the debian kernel package |
| 18:05.53 | chops | blazer11: Unless you have special needs, you should use the one packaged with etch. |
| 18:06.14 | Supaplex | !info 400858: |
| 18:06.17 | Supaplex | !info 400858 |
| 18:06.44 | ganapathy | blazer11: Try 2.6.21. I have tried it. It works well with etch. |
| 18:06.44 | chops | blazer11: Why do you need 2.6.19 or higher? |
| 18:06.49 | blazer11 | chops i need atleat 2.6.19 which is not included in install |
| 18:07.05 | blazer11 | 3ware 9650se |
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| 18:07.23 | Supaplex | uh, it's not !bug or !bts or even !buginfo? wut the ?!? |
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| 18:08.09 | tymonn | ronr: can you please do that thing again so the bot can tell me in PVT about that fglrx ? |
| 18:08.15 | tymonn | sorry for bothering you mate :x |
| 18:08.28 | Supaplex | !tell tymonn -about msg |
| 18:08.35 | Supaplex | tymonn: just /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 18:08.58 | blazer11 | wols suggested kmuto custom, but not sure which kernel to pick 2.6.21 is earliest |
| 18:09.25 | whitehat | can someone tell why ssh -vvv <ssh stuff> | tee /tmp/file1.txt produces no debug output in file.txt |
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| 18:09.52 | ganapathy | blazer11: but 2.6.21 works well. Also, 2.6.20 coming with ubuntu fiesty is god |
| 18:09.52 | Synchronized | anyone here know how to crack a md5? 209b9ac4af23a9bb78ccef202b0 |
| 18:09.58 | chops | whitehat: Try ssh -vvv <ssh stuff> 2>&1 | tee /tmp/file1.txt |
| 18:10.12 | Synchronized | the original string was 30 chars |
| 18:10.21 | whitehat | chops: ah! muchos thank you. :-) |
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| 18:10.36 | chops | Synchronized: If anyone does, the NSA would probably be interested to hear :-) |
| 18:10.37 | maligor | Synchronized, you mean create the original string from a md5 hash? |
| 18:10.40 | lurch | where do cron events get logged to? |
| 18:10.41 | chops | whitehat: np |
| 18:10.51 | Synchronized | ya |
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| 18:10.57 | humbolto | does a bigger swap partition make my laptop resume faster from hibernation? |
| 18:11.03 | blazer11 | ganapathy, so you saying 2.6.21 is most stable as far as custom goes? |
| 18:11.21 | whitehat | chops: the other should theoretically work, shouldn't it? |
| 18:11.27 | ganapathy | blazer11: yes. We tried it in our college. It worked fine. |
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| 18:11.45 | chops | whitehat: No, it won't redirect stderr |
| 18:11.52 | blazer11 | ganapathy in production or test? |
| 18:11.55 | maligor | Synchronized, if it's a alphabets, then you can just write a bruteforce approach |
| 18:12.00 | Supaplex | Synchronized: crack in what way? Ever here of md5 collisions? |
| 18:12.09 | Supaplex | s/here/hear/ |
| 18:12.24 | ganapathy | blazer11: I dont get you. |
| 18:12.39 | whitehat | chops: ah. I assumed output from -v was not standard error. must be a friday! |
| 18:12.47 | ganapathy | blazer11: We upgraded our kernels to 2.6.21 some 2 months back. |
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| 18:13.18 | maligor | you just need 5.3*10^51 tries |
| 18:13.22 | maligor | that'll probably take a while |
| 18:13.27 | ganapathy | blazer11: the current version is 2.6.23.x right? |
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| 18:14.09 | blazer11 | ganapathy ok thanks, just wasnt sure if you were still in testing, or if you had moved into production |
| 18:14.52 | blazer11 | ganapathy 2.6.24 i believe |
| 18:14.58 | SNKorea | . |
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| 18:15.24 | ganapathy | blazer11: Oh. ok ok |
| 18:16.10 | blazer11 | ganapathy Thanks :) |
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| 18:16.39 | ganapathy | blazer11: np. it is alright :) |
| 18:16.56 | blazer11 | afk |
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| 18:27.33 | Pete_B_ | I configured 2 disks in an Adaptec SATA RAID controller as a RAID1 array. The Debian Installer partitioner sees the 2 separate disks. Is Debian not working with the controller properly? |
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| 18:28.55 | wols_ | Pete_B_: fakeraid? |
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| 18:29.56 | Pete_B_ | wols_: I didn't think so but am not entirely sure on the matter, it's a dedicated card, Adaptec SATA HostRAID HostRAID-8130 |
| 18:30.24 | Pete_B_ | in a HP ProLiant ML150 G2 |
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| 18:31.22 | wols_ | "Beware of Adaptec's term "HostRaid": This means fakeraid, not real hardware RAID. Adaptec offers proprietary drivers (binary-only)." |
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| 18:31.35 | wols_ | from the linux sata faq at http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 18:32.06 | wols_ | just use linux software raid and be done with it |
| 18:32.18 | dutchfish | when will 2.6.24-1, if i am correct its build on vanilla 2.6.24-2 enter testing? |
| 18:32.19 | [GNU]Order | what fs does debian use for it's initrd.gz? From googling it seems like it should be either ext2 or cramfs but neither work. |
| 18:32.44 | tymonn | whats WRONG with this sintax |
| 18:32.46 | tymonn | ./ati-driver-installer-8-02-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/testing |
| 18:33.01 | Pete_B_ | wols_: brilliant, thankyou. I thought it was bad news when I found just 1 Maxtor disk in it when I came to the job. I'm happy using Linux RAID. |
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| 18:34.00 | tymonn | ./ati-driver-installer-8-02-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/testing // whats wrong with this sintax wols_ ? |
| 18:35.08 | fubu16 | hi all |
| 18:35.14 | fubu16 | need help again |
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| 18:35.33 | nameless` | hi i've got a big problem |
| 18:35.41 | dutchfish | !help |
| 18:35.41 | nameless` | i ave to fix it in the next 30mn |
| 18:35.42 | CandleCandle | don't we all? |
| 18:35.50 | wols_ | tymonn: what's wrong is we don't support that installer |
| 18:35.58 | Eulex | tymonn, ...can the ati driver installer even build debian packages ? |
| 18:36.01 | wols_ | we ONLY supprt the packages you get from debian.org. ask ati |
| 18:36.10 | nameless` | i've got debian installed on my powerbook g3 pismo, i just made an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 18:36.11 | tymonn | hmm i see.. |
| 18:36.16 | wols_ | tymonn: fyi this package will most probably break your dbeian. have fun |
| 18:36.23 | nameless` | a blue screen told me to reboot just after the upgrade of the kernel |
| 18:36.26 | nameless` | i do that |
| 18:36.26 | fubu16 | SSLCertificateFile takes one argument, SSL Server Certificate file (`/path/to/file' - PEM or DER encode |
| 18:36.27 | fubu16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.29 | fubu16 | grep: /etc/apache/httpd.conf: No such file or directo |
| 18:36.35 | nameless` | result, my keyboard is crazy |
| 18:36.36 | wols_ | nameless`:blue screen? this is not windows here |
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| 18:36.49 | asg | wols_: the blue screen of debconf |
| 18:36.58 | tymonn | wols_: someone told me above that i can do this, he was wrong then, |
| 18:36.59 | wols_ | fubu16: apache2 would NEVER check /etc/apache/ |
| 18:37.01 | nameless` | and i can't put my fuck** password for my crypted hard disk |
| 18:37.12 | wols_ | tymonn: who did? |
| 18:37.27 | wols_ | nameless`: cold boot |
| 18:37.33 | nameless` | wols_: yes, blue screen exist on linux, when you dpkg-reconfigure something and the dpkg wants you to warn you about something |
| 18:37.36 | tymonn | the guy just before this: |
| 18:37.38 | tymonn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.38 | tymonn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.50 | nameless` | what can i do ? |
| 18:37.57 | wols_ | tymonn: you mean piju did? |
| 18:38.02 | tymonn | yeah |
| 18:38.33 | wols_ | tymonn: how many hours ago ca? |
| 18:38.34 | nameless` | what is the problem ? |
| 18:38.40 | nameless` | just a clue |
| 18:38.42 | nameless` | ^^ |
| 18:38.42 | wols_ | nameless`: do what I told you |
| 18:38.45 | tymonn | wols_: +- a hour ago |
| 18:38.49 | nameless` | what s a cold boot ? |
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| 18:39.12 | wols_ | tymonn: not in dhis channel. services you right to ask debian questions outside |
| 18:39.19 | fubu16 | wols_ : how can i fix this |
| 18:39.20 | wols_ | nameless`: cut ALL power |
| 18:39.33 | nameless` | wols_: and then ? |
| 18:39.38 | wols_ | fubu16: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 18:39.42 | dutchfish | nameless`, can ssh in to the box from another station, and is the keyb working then correct? |
| 18:39.51 | wols_ | nameless`: then boot up again and see if there are any errors |
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| 18:41.12 | tymonn | wols_: so, there is ATI drivers on debian packages or do i have to use something else like FGLRX |
| 18:41.15 | nameless` | dutchfish: no, because i can't start the computer, because i've got a crypted partition |
| 18:41.29 | nameless` | dutchfish: and i can't enter it my password because the keyboard is crazy |
| 18:41.32 | fubu16 | ok |
| 18:41.37 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.42 | nameless` | wols_: nothing different |
| 18:41.46 | AlienWareContest | Fileplanet and AlienWare contest, win latest computer in #kelebek ! |
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| 18:41.59 | fubu16 | it shows all apache related installations |
| 18:42.00 | dutchfish | nameless`, is your bios time correct and/or changed biossettings? |
| 18:42.00 | AlienWareContest | Fileplanet and AlienWare contest, win latest computer in #kelebek ! |
| 18:42.01 | wols_ | nameless`: when does the keyboard go crazy? |
| 18:42.02 | jelly | AlienWareContest: spamming bad kthx |
| 18:42.06 | tymonn | wols_: :) thanks |
| 18:42.39 | nameless` | wols_: just after loading modules something like that |
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| 18:42.57 | SL | hello |
| 18:43.06 | wols_ | nameless`: so boot from another medium like the dbeian CD |
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| 18:43.39 | vampirefrog | is there a way to list installed packages by size on disk? |
| 18:43.45 | dkr | yes |
| 18:43.50 | SL | I am trying to debootstrap a debian testing, but there currently no script for that. Is there a workaround? |
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| 18:44.05 | vampirefrog | and it is...? |
| 18:44.14 | wols_ | SL: install etch and upgrade |
| 18:44.17 | nameless` | wols_: i'm wrong |
| 18:44.30 | nameless` | wols_: keyboard became crazy at "loading essential drivers" |
| 18:44.32 | wols_ | nameless`: thought as much |
| 18:44.41 | dutchfish | SL, debootstrap etch and distupgrade? |
| 18:44.44 | nameless` | or at "running script" |
| 18:44.48 | nameless` | one of them |
| 18:44.49 | wols_ | nameless`: what debian bracht is this that says "loading essential drivers"? |
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| 18:45.00 | nameless` | because the enter key became a "!" just after these two lines |
| 18:45.01 | wols_ | *branch |
| 18:45.07 | nameless` | wols_: lenny |
| 18:45.52 | wols_ | do what I told you |
| 18:46.01 | wols_ | or boot the old kernel |
| 18:46.01 | nameless` | what did you told me ? |
| 18:46.06 | nameless` | i can't ^^ |
| 18:46.10 | nameless` | because i've got a powerbook |
| 18:46.14 | wols_ | I told you to boot from CD |
| 18:46.20 | nameless` | :o |
| 18:46.21 | nameless` | ok |
| 18:46.22 | wols_ | you don't have bootloaders on powerbooks? |
| 18:46.23 | nameless` | i do that |
| 18:46.29 | nameless` | yes but it sucks |
| 18:46.31 | wols_ | only the kernel from CD btw |
| 18:46.34 | wols_ | rest from your disk |
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| 18:46.43 | nameless` | ok i boot from the cd |
| 18:46.47 | nameless` | and then ? |
| 18:46.54 | nameless` | what should i do ? |
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| 18:47.12 | wols_ | fix your kernel on disk |
| 18:47.26 | nameless` | wols_: what do you means by "fix" |
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| 18:47.33 | nameless` | i have no idea where the bug came from |
| 18:47.43 | SL | wols_, yes, but I would like to have more a solution to get lenny without distupgrading |
| 18:47.49 | nameless` | it's the first time i have this kinda error |
| 18:48.09 | jimm | nameless`: do you want to have to solve these kinds of problems as they come up? |
| 18:48.15 | wols_ | SL: and I would like to have a pony. seems we both are disappointed |
| 18:48.17 | wols_ | life sucks! |
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| 18:49.24 | nameless` | do you have an idea where the problem can be born ? |
| 18:49.32 | jim | SL: what would be the difference? |
| 18:50.22 | jim | if you can show me how the resulting installation on your box would be different, I'll try to get you a pony! |
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| 18:50.31 | wols_ | nameless`: in your botched kernel config |
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| 18:50.56 | nameless` | my kernel config |
| 18:51.11 | wols_ | jim: easy: the disrect testing installer probably creates a botched debian since it still has bugs pretty often |
| 18:51.14 | wols_ | now I want my pony! |
| 18:51.32 | nameless` | i'm down... |
| 18:52.13 | jim | knew I'd have to do actual work if I came here... |
| 18:52.24 | tymonn | wols_: how can i change my operating system language? |
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| 18:52.41 | nameless` | locale |
| 18:52.47 | dkr | !locales |
| 18:52.47 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 18:53.18 | tymonn | thanks :) |
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| 18:53.35 | wols_ | tymonn: env tells it |
| 18:53.41 | jim | there's a small problem with that maybe... kde's konsole will not run bash as a login shell |
| 18:54.12 | wols_ | jim: it still has a set LC_ALL or LANG |
| 18:54.19 | wad | Would you guys recommend Debian for 4000 quad-cpu servers, for a massive java-based web application? The organization I'm working for is querying developers for our opinions. I'm considering Debian Etch 4.0 for my recommendation. |
| 18:55.02 | wols_ | we ALWAYS recommend debian, duh! |
| 18:55.09 | asg | wad: I'd recommend what you are comfortable administrating in volume and can secure. Java will run on anything so it's really a moot question. |
| 18:55.30 | wad | wols_: Well, yeah, but I figured I'd ask anyway. |
| 18:55.42 | abrotman | wad: etch officially only has java5 .. but you can put your own java on there |
| 18:55.52 | wad | abrotman: We'd definitely do that. |
| 18:56.05 | abrotman | wad: i'd say the application server you're deploying on is more important than the underlying OS |
| 18:56.06 | jelly | wad: for some reason people in this channel are havily biased towards Debian |
| 18:56.24 | abrotman | jelly: i prefer beer |
| 18:56.33 | jim | wad: having considered you've entered the debian denisen, I believe it's always your choice (and you have to make that choice with a balance between options). otherwise you could be depending on someone else who made a recommendation for additional support when said support isn't coming without arrangement |
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| 18:56.36 | asg | I prefer OpenBEERSD |
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| 18:56.47 | wols_ | jelly: lies! all lies! |
| 18:56.53 | asg | because the best BEERSD is an open one |
| 18:56.57 | pvasquez | Hi. Anyone know the use of $* in a shell script ? ? ? ? ? ? |
| 18:57.04 | wad | Thanks guys, for the input. |
| 18:57.07 | asg | pvasquez: #bash does |
| 18:57.31 | abrotman | asg: oh come on .. so does man bash |
| 18:57.39 | pvasquez | thanks |
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| 18:57.42 | wols_ | jelly: I only have 2 FCBs. you can't open the device :P |
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| 18:57.51 | asg | abrotman: but then greycat won't get to spank him |
| 18:57.53 | wad | Personally, even if I was a big fan of 18-wheeler trucks, and hung out in the 18-wheeler truck channel, and someone came in asking about the best solution for a vehicle to take their kids to school, I'd tell them not to buy an 18-wheeler. |
| 18:58.04 | wad | I might even recommend a Honda Odyssey. |
| 18:58.11 | wad | See my point? |
| 18:58.13 | jelly | wols_: your system sucks. Go MP/M! |
| 18:58.26 | [GNU]Order | How do I mount initrd? Type cramfs and ext2 dont seem to work anymore. |
| 18:58.34 | asg | wad: the Odyssey doesn't have enough juice to run Java |
| 18:58.34 | jim | wad: with the understanding that you'll have to arrange for support, I do recommend debian etch under the assumption that there are people who will be trained in most of its aspects, including relations with the debian developers, especially the bug tracking system |
| 18:58.35 | abrotman | asg: he might be at lunch anyway |
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| 18:58.46 | wols_ | jelly: if you dis my FCBs I gotta update to DOS 2.0 and that would really suck. please don't do it |
| 18:58.51 | Spec | wad: what's wrong with an 18 wheeler truck for shufflin' around kids? |
| 18:58.52 | peppe | [GNU]Order: an initrd is just a cpio gzipped archive |
| 18:58.53 | wols_ | what would I do with my Z80 then? |
| 18:58.53 | wad | Some of our admins are debian developers already. :) |
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| 18:59.13 | wad | Bug tracking system! |
| 18:59.13 | jim | interesting... which ones? |
| 18:59.20 | peppe | [GNU]Order: gunzip < initrd | cpio -i |
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| 18:59.22 | jim | bugs.debian.org |
| 18:59.24 | SL | I installed my debian root on lvm with an initramfs initrd image. When booting it does not detect the volume group which breaks the boot process. I have to manually do a "vgchange -a y volgrp" in the initramfs shell to get the root parition mountet. Whats wrong? |
| 18:59.25 | asg | wad: as I said before, stick with what you know and are comfortable with. |
| 18:59.27 | abrotman | wad: i'd say that's a good reason .. and they'd be mroe qualified than a bunch of people on IRC (admittedly some of them admin large installations of debian) |
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| 19:00.03 | jim | if you're going to switch to something, test test test test test first :) |
| 19:00.05 | dutchfish | wad, i am running debian, redhat & suse systems, but on the server side, when it comes to mission critical i choose debian, for its stability and excellent packagemanagement |
| 19:00.08 | abrotman | jim: about the Odyssey ? |
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| 19:00.16 | wad | I really hope they choose debian. I just need some compelling arguments. |
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| 19:00.19 | jim | 2001? |
| 19:00.20 | [GNU]Order | peppe: Hmm, ok. I didn't know that but will give it a try. But that means the kernel must come with cpio as well? |
| 19:00.23 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 19:00.24 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:00.35 | wad | dutchfish: Package management! Another good piece of ammo. |
| 19:00.50 | wad | thanks, abrotman! |
| 19:00.52 | pandrew | hello! i have an older keyboard with 'turbo, power, sleep, and wake keys' they produce nothing in xev, messages, dmesg... i suppose i need another kernel module to get them somehow? do you guys have any suggestion? |
| 19:01.07 | wols_ | [GNU]Order: how did you create your kernel? |
| 19:01.24 | asg | pandrew: buy a supported mega-funtabulous keybord instead? |
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| 19:01.56 | jim | wad: lots of maintainers, the best stability in the business, we reveal bugs (never hide them)... having said that, there are learning curves in many areas, some steeper than others |
| 19:02.23 | jim | asg: is there a list of those? |
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| 19:02.26 | pandrew | asg - are you saying, that there is no way to get those keys to work? |
| 19:02.37 | asg | wad: another suggestion is to try a number of different systems and decide which works best for your operations. |
| 19:02.54 | asg | pandrew: there may be. Googling for linux + keyboard make and model is a start |
| 19:03.43 | jim | asg: what about watching ev while hitting those keys? |
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| 19:04.03 | wad | asg: I'm just a grunt. There are Important People making these choices. But since they asked, I may as well try to lead them in the right direction. :) |
| 19:04.25 | wad | Thanks for your answers, guys! I'd submitted my recommendation for DEbian, and included that "why_debian" link that abrotman provided. |
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| 19:05.05 | darius12 | how can I provide a custom changelog entry for make-kpkg? |
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| 19:05.17 | jim | there's a program that does that |
| 19:05.30 | darius12 | besides just hacking /usr/share/kernel-package/changelog |
| 19:05.39 | jim | I forget its name |
| 19:05.44 | darius12 | if I do make-kpkg ... debian |
| 19:05.46 | abrotman | wad: i think Manoj's talk has quite a few selling points |
| 19:05.54 | dutchfish | wad, and what about support ;) try to find a so active forum! |
| 19:06.14 | wols_ | dutchfish: "support" for business comes in big $$$$ support packages |
| 19:06.19 | wols_ | not irc and mailinglists |
| 19:06.26 | darius12 | and then change it manually, it overrides my file with the "stub" when I do make-kpkg ... buildpackage |
| 19:06.28 | [GNU]Order | wols_: I'm modifying the netinstall CD. cpio did work. That's been driving me nuts for months because everything I found had it a fs image of some sort that you mount with loop. |
| 19:06.31 | jelly | darius12: um, do a build, edit debian/changelog, do a kernel_image? |
| 19:06.39 | dutchfish | wols_, did i say free? |
| 19:06.49 | [GNU]Order | peppe: thanks, that worked. |
| 19:06.58 | jim | dutchfish: it would be nice if he hired someone, or a group of someones... but as he said before, he's got debian maints on staff so he may or may not need to do that |
| 19:07.12 | wols_ | dutchfish: what I said is: this channel doesn't qualify as support for "rhem" usually |
| 19:07.18 | abrotman | jim: they're probably paid to develop .. not admin |
| 19:07.27 | darius12 | jelly: yes, this is what I 'm trying to do, but I have the impression that it changes it again when I do make-kpkg buildpackage |
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| 19:07.43 | wols_ | and since you can't go to debian.ocm and pay for support as you can do with redhat.com, some PHBs get a bit uneasy and debian is out of the running by default |
| 19:07.50 | dutchfish | wols_, still |
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| 19:07.57 | abrotman | wols_: you can ask ibm.com how much their support is |
| 19:07.58 | jim | the developers could train the admin staff... or they could hire trainers or admins |
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| 19:08.34 | dutchfish | wols_, my point was that it reflects a living community, not a free one |
| 19:08.37 | wols_ | abrotman: yes, but this is not debian.com support for debian. as redhat.com support for redhat. see the how similar the names there are and what I want to say? |
| 19:08.52 | jim | I have yet to see a debian developer who actually likes users |
| 19:08.58 | abrotman | wols_: try to get support from RH .. i dare you :) |
| 19:09.18 | wols_ | abrotman: if you pay them enough money... (money I don't have), I doubt it's a problem |
| 19:09.24 | jim | and I've been on this network and its predecessor since their inception |
| 19:09.25 | wols_ | after all, it's how they make their money, no? |
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| 19:09.39 | darius12 | yes |
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| 19:09.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, where to get paid support for debian anyway, tell me |
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| 19:10.26 | wols_ | abrotman: it's the same with getting support from MS: you and me won't get a chance. but if say GM knocks, MS does fall over itself and gets $$$ in their eyes |
| 19:11.18 | wols_ | dutchfish: http://www.debian.org/consultants/index.en.html |
| 19:11.29 | dutchfish | wols_, thank you |
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| 19:13.00 | abrotman | dutchfish: i just did |
| 19:13.27 | rdz | i have a serial device on /dev/rfcomm0 . what is the _simplest_ program to talk to it manually? i tried minicom, but i seem to be not able to connect to that device... |
| 19:14.01 | rdz | isn't there something as simple as telnet, but for devices instead of ports? |
| 19:14.27 | jelly | rdz: cat? |
| 19:14.57 | rdz | jelly, hm.. |
| 19:15.09 | rdz | and talk to it with echo? |
| 19:15.19 | rdz | jelly, i'll try. thanks.. i haven't thought of that |
| 19:15.22 | jelly | cat < /dev/foo > /dev/foo |
| 19:15.34 | rdz | jelly, wow.. cool |
| 19:16.06 | dkr | cat /dev/foo |
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| 19:16.33 | jelly | might have to massage the serial device settings with stty first |
| 19:16.37 | dkr | setserial to modify serial options |
| 19:16.51 | xingu | mmm, massage |
| 19:17.14 | rdz | jelly, what does 'massage' mean? |
| 19:17.22 | jim | alter |
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| 19:17.47 | jelly | rdz: what he said, change the settings |
| 19:17.54 | rdz | it works with echo and cat... but not with 'cat < /dev/foo > /dev/foo' |
| 19:18.01 | rdz | jelly, yo thank |
| 19:18.03 | rdz | thank you all |
| 19:18.51 | jim | rdz: while that last one is functional in some way (i.e., it does something) it's almost never what you want |
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| 19:18.53 | jelly | rdz: see eg. this crappy script to get files to and from a HP calculator: http://paste.debian.net/49742 |
| 19:19.47 | rdz | jelly, thanks |
| 19:20.05 | jim | rdz: cat < /dev/foo > /dev/bar would work assuming /dev/bar exists |
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| 19:20.11 | jelly | my bad, obviously there would be no way to enter anything with cat < /device |
| 19:20.17 | tictac | doh. i cant remember the correct umode for stopping queries. |
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| 19:21.19 | rdz | jim, how can i create a node? frankly, i don't quite know what kind of file a device is. would it also work with a pipe? |
| 19:21.52 | dutchfish | ha, i just discovered thats possible to ssh into an airport extreme ... |
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| 19:22.50 | jim | sure... having said that, I noticed after I said that, that we were talking about device nodes... it doesnt' change my statement, but it makes me wonder what you're doing |
| 19:23.11 | jim | there's a command mknod |
| 19:23.13 | madclicker | hi, how can i update lcpsi database? |
| 19:23.14 | jelly | rdz: mknod. udev usually creates devices automatically, watch out for obsolete docs |
| 19:23.28 | vampirefrog | I'm asking again :) is there a way to list installed packages by size on disk? |
| 19:23.35 | jim | man lcpsi |
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| 19:23.46 | jelly | vampirefrog: there is. grep-dctrl |
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| 19:24.09 | madclicker | update-pciids |
| 19:24.17 | jim | vampirefrog: I tried to lobby for something like that years ago, they didn't want to do it |
| 19:24.17 | vampirefrog | jelly: thanks :) |
| 19:24.28 | jelly | !tell vampirefrog about sort by size |
| 19:24.54 | vampirefrog | ok |
| 19:24.56 | moogle | Is there any disadvantages to using debian etch as a web/mysql server versus a red hat server or cent os (or some other flavor of yum/rpm)? |
| 19:25.06 | jelly | there's probably an aptitude way to do it too |
| 19:25.09 | moogle | in a commercial setting |
| 19:25.18 | vampirefrog | ok |
| 19:25.28 | vampirefrog | I just want to free up some space, basically :) |
| 19:25.30 | thelostbutler | moogle: what do you mean by commerical setting ? |
| 19:25.31 | jelly | moogle: do you need a supported OS for your hardware? |
| 19:25.32 | jim | the thing I lobbied for was for dpkg or apt to be able to say "this is going to be the change on your /usr partition, this for /var, this for / and this for /boot" |
| 19:25.44 | Fizzel | "You need to be identified to join that channel" |
| 19:25.52 | moogle | jelly: No outside of taking support into account |
| 19:25.52 | jim | so |
| 19:25.55 | Fizzel | what exactly do i have to do? |
| 19:25.56 | jim | identify :P |
| 19:26.05 | moogle | into consideration* |
| 19:26.05 | Fizzel | yes, but how? |
| 19:26.09 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.11 | Fizzel | just registering? |
| 19:26.16 | vampirefrog | jim: nah, I just need a flat list :) |
| 19:26.24 | Fizzel | M Unknown command |
| 19:26.26 | Arc4nuS | jim, use /ns help |
| 19:26.31 | jelly | moogle: provided you have equal know-how of all the alternatives, I don't see an immediate disadvantage. |
| 19:26.37 | jim | why? I don't have a command ns |
| 19:26.56 | gourmand | Fizzel: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 19:26.59 | jim | oh, sorry, /msg nickserv help |
| 19:27.00 | Fizzel | yes but ns works |
| 19:27.08 | jim | oh, cool |
| 19:27.08 | Arc4nuS | oh, maybe /msg nickserv help |
| 19:27.08 | jelly | moogle: if anything, I find Debian's package portfolio and upgrade system superior to RHEL. |
| 19:27.17 | Arc4nuS | ^_^ |
| 19:27.23 | moogle | jelly: So do you know of any references that show how much debian is actually used in commerical environments? I know it's probably not as popular as i.e red hat but am just curious |
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| 19:27.39 | jim | yeah, /m is an abbrevation that works on my client and not many other |
| 19:27.41 | jim | s |
| 19:27.55 | zinx | it works on a number of clients |
| 19:27.59 | Fizzel | thx, now it's working |
| 19:28.02 | Arc4nuS | ohh cool, what client are you using? |
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| 19:28.24 | zinx | but it's always best to use the full-ish standard IRC client commands when giving help :P |
| 19:28.43 | Arc4nuS | zinx, yea, i think the same |
| 19:28.44 | dkr | moogle: if you judge how good/useful something is based on popularity wouldn't you be using windows? ;) |
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| 19:28.52 | jim | I always tell people /help newusers |
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| 19:29.10 | valdyn | moogle: large companies usually use their own distro, based on whatever |
| 19:29.17 | jim | but then freenode didn't decide to implement that, so that too is dependent |
| 19:29.22 | valdyn | moogle: or maybe i should say often instead of usually |
| 19:29.27 | jelly | moogle: not really. my employer uses it everywhere except on the machines where vendor drivers and hardware support is needed. |
| 19:29.31 | tymonn | wols_: i run dpkg-reconfigure locales CHANGE my language to ENGLISH and this error comes up update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE ("pt:pt_BR:en") is not compatible with LANG (en_US.UTF-8) |
| 19:29.32 | valdyn | moogle: that would just be a debian derivative |
| 19:29.33 | dutchfish | moogle, this is prolly due to the fact that debian is the most purest form of linux and open source |
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| 19:29.38 | jim | moogle: sometimes it's froogle when you use google! |
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| 19:29.43 | Arc4nuS | jim, yea, that's true |
| 19:29.43 | jelly | valdyn: or just own customized installation setup |
| 19:29.45 | moogle | dkr: No, I was just curious how much debian is used in comparison to red hat in commercial environment (approx.). I hate windows and everyone else i know does too heh |
| 19:29.50 | dkr | valdyn: I don't think that is the case. the PHBs like to use software from big names they can blame if something goes wrong :) |
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| 19:30.09 | valdyn | moogle: and debian is most suitable for that, becuase of the dfsg |
| 19:30.09 | Arc4nuS | where are you from jim? |
| 19:30.11 | moogle | thx guys |
| 19:30.14 | jelly | dkr: that's the "support" clause |
| 19:30.29 | jim | just above the floor! |
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| 19:30.43 | Arc4nuS | lol |
| 19:30.51 | dkr | moogle: nod, we just don't know, though. it's not the type of thing you caneasily survey |
| 19:30.53 | jim | sf bay area |
| 19:31.03 | valdyn | dkr: companies like ibm will support anything |
| 19:31.03 | jelly | Stallman doesn't think so! <dutchfish> moogle, this is prolly due to the fact that debian is the most purest form of linux and open source |
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| 19:31.20 | dutchfish | jelly, oh? |
| 19:31.33 | Arc4nuS | jelly, that sounds dogmatic |
| 19:31.42 | jim | well stallman doesn't make linux, so whether debian is pure or not is independent of what stallman thinks |
| 19:31.43 | dkr | Arc4nuS: lol |
| 19:31.43 | moogle | dkr: thx |
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| 19:32.00 | wols_ | jelly: so what does he use nowadays? |
| 19:32.11 | dkr | hurd! |
| 19:32.15 | jim | also the second part of that doesn't follow from the first, but I'd say they're both true |
| 19:32.16 | tymonn | wols_: i run dpkg-reconfigure locales CHANGE my language to ENGLISH and this error comes up update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE ("pt:pt_BR:en") is not compatible with LANG (en_US.UTF-8) |
| 19:32.18 | dutchfish | thats hurts |
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| 19:32.32 | wols_ | tymonn: then choose a compatible locale |
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| 19:32.51 | wols_ | "pt:pt_BR:en" really sounds screwy btw |
| 19:32.52 | jim | stallman is jealous because all the kernel hacks want to work on linux instead of hurd, so it's not all that quick yet |
| 19:32.56 | wols_ | what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 19:33.16 | bwlang_ | i need to archive an 11G directory structure into chunks suitable for writing on a cd... - i'll compress about 70% so it's not as bad as it sounds... i thought i'd use zip and zipsplit , but there is some upper file size limit. tried 7z but that segfaulted 10 minutes in . Is there some tar option to build chunks of size X? |
| 19:33.21 | jelly | dutchfish: http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions |
| 19:33.51 | jim | bwlang_, yes |
| 19:34.15 | jelly | wols_: dunno, it was an old flame on an openbsd list that got brief media coverage (= lwn.net) |
| 19:34.19 | wols_ | bwlang_: tar --multi-volume |
| 19:34.23 | jim | plus you could tar into one big thing then split the tar |
| 19:34.41 | dutchfish | jelly, thx cool link! but i am still not convinced (i like debian too much ... ;) |
| 19:34.46 | dkr | use portuguese if avail. if not use brazilian portuguese, if not use english. makes sense :) |
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| 19:35.00 | edthefox | bwlang_: or rar works nicely too |
| 19:35.14 | wols_ | !rar |
| 19:35.14 | dpkg | methinks rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar> |
| 19:35.18 | dkr | tymonn: the folks in #debian-br might be better able to help with language issues |
| 19:35.21 | tymonn | wols_: i installed debian in PT, now i want to change to EN.. i run dpkg-reconfigure locale, choose en-US-UTF8 and this error comes up |
| 19:35.40 | tymonn | :) thank you dkr im not brasilian but it fits :P |
| 19:35.45 | wols_ | tymonn: you want your debian talk english to you? |
| 19:36.04 | jim | me want talk pretty |
| 19:36.04 | tymonn | yes wols_ exact i dont like my language, i want english |
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| 19:36.29 | wols_ | tymonn: I do it by using LANGUAGE="en_GB:en" in /etc/environment that's all |
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| 19:37.20 | wols_ | en_US:en would work too I guess. but their spelling is ugly |
| 19:37.56 | tymonn | :) thanks a lot |
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| 19:38.32 | dkr | wols_: less typing without those extra "u"s and double letters :) |
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| 19:39.03 | tymonn | i dont have the file /etc/environment :x |
| 19:39.59 | jelly | tymonn: create it! |
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| 19:40.44 | wols_ | dkr: ugly |
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| 19:41.04 | wols_ | jelly: might be that /etc/environmentis deprecated now. got an old install here |
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| 19:41.10 | wols_ | but it does work |
| 19:41.30 | wols_ | and you want it all to be utf8 of course |
| 19:41.34 | jelly | it sure does. So does /etc/rc.boot/ |
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| 19:42.10 | wubrgamer | hey guys |
| 19:42.30 | wubrgamer | i just made the jump from ubuntu finally... |
| 19:42.30 | wubrgamer | but i'm having some wireless woes |
| 19:42.31 | wubrgamer | any help ? |
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| 19:43.27 | wols_ | wubrgamer: never ask to ask |
| 19:43.54 | wols_ | !enter |
| 19:43.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 19:44.23 | wubrgamer | ...thanks...anywho...i just ran lspci and i got this : Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 19:44.44 | wubrgamer | so, what driver do i need ? i am alright with running non-free software... |
| 19:44.47 | wols_ | !madwifi |
| 19:44.47 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net |
| 19:45.28 | wols_ | madwifi is nonfree btw |
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| 19:46.11 | bwlang_ | ach - this should be an easy problem tar -cvzf -M -L (cannot create zipped archives!) |
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| 19:46.19 | edthefox | anyone have experience getting 1440x900 resolution on an intel i9xx integrated vid card?? |
| 19:46.34 | bwlang_ | jim: do you know how to get tar to compress while using that -M flag? |
| 19:46.34 | wubrgamer | yeah, i can't find madwifi in synaptic |
| 19:46.49 | bwlang_ | jim: if so will you tell me ;) |
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| 19:48.28 | edthefox | bwlang_: have you tried z ?? |
| 19:49.17 | tymonn | wols_: do you use any init :D for faster boot? |
| 19:49.25 | dkr | !tell wubrgamer about non-free |
| 19:49.59 | wols_ | what "init"? |
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| 19:50.50 | wubrgamer | why doesn't debian have something like the restricted drivers management in ubuntu ? |
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| 19:51.01 | tymonn | boot init, to run the process's in parallel so the computer boots faster |
| 19:51.21 | bwlang_ | edthfox: tar -z? what z? |
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| 19:51.37 | pzn | I received a file by e-mail with extension .xps, that "file" identifies as zip file. Inside it contains a structure similar to openoffice document. is there any package in debian to open xps files? what does xps means? |
| 19:51.52 | wols_ | bwlang_: it gzips. -j uses bzip2 for even better compression |
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| 19:52.09 | danand | wubrgamer - thats against Debian policy / ethics. Debian tries to stick to things that are free rather that proprietry |
| 19:52.28 | wols_ | pzn: http://filext.com/file-extension/xps |
| 19:52.38 | pep | what must I do in order to have a resolv.conf file not overwritten every I boot the PC? I want static IP, and I need a "static" resolv.conf file... |
| 19:53.14 | wubrgamer | huh, okay... |
| 19:53.20 | pzn | wols_, hell... it is ms file format! |
| 19:53.48 | bwlang_ | wols_: did you read my command ? tar -cvzf -M -L ... (see the z in there), tar says "Cannot use multi-volume compressed archives" |
| 19:54.05 | wubrgamer | so, if i install madwifi-tools and reboot ? should my wireless card work ? |
| 19:54.43 | wols_ | bwlang_: then it obviously can't for some reason. bad luck |
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| 19:54.55 | dkr | wubrgamer: read the documentation /usr/share/doc/madwifi*/README before rebooting.likely you have to configure it |
| 19:54.59 | wols_ | !tell pep about man interfaces |
| 19:55.04 | Rui | yo tymonn |
| 19:55.05 | Rui | :) |
| 19:55.11 | tymonn | do you know any program that records parts of the monitor? |
| 19:55.15 | tymonn | yo Rui :D muahahah |
| 19:55.18 | wols_ | pzn: or take the cheap way out and make the file immutable |
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| 19:55.32 | edthefox | bwlang_: dude, chill just tar it up in one big file, THEN zip it up to whatever size you need |
| 19:55.53 | tymonn | wols_: do ya know? for kinda film girls taking her clouth of :D |
| 19:56.03 | tymonn | on msn x) |
| 19:56.17 | pep | wols_, thanx but I know this part. What I want is avoid resolv.conf being overwritten. Changing to static in /etc/network/interfaces does not do the trick |
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| 19:56.25 | bwlang_ | edthefox: hmm that'll be a file of about 5G, zip can't handle that i dont think. |
| 19:56.40 | wubrgamer | are there any real advantages to running debian over ubuntu ? |
| 19:56.43 | wols_ | pep: it does. unless you run addtional software like network manager or such |
| 19:56.52 | wols_ | !tell wubrgamer about why debian |
| 19:56.54 | bwlang_ | wubrgamer: it's more Free |
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| 19:57.21 | edthefox | bwlang_: or you could just use rar and be done at that, people may not like the file format, but it _works_ |
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| 19:58.15 | wols_ | edthefox: is rar 64bit capable? |
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| 19:58.30 | bwlang_ | edthefox: i may have to... but this is for archive purposes, i'd like to use something that is likely to be usable in 10 years |
| 19:59.01 | cosmodad | can anyone with some package-building expertise explain to me why pdebuild wants to satisfy the build-deps in the host system, instead of doing so in the chroot like pbuilder would do? |
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| 20:00.18 | tymonn | wols_: do you know any "FRAPS" like software for linux |
| 20:00.20 | edthefox | wols_: unknown i'll look & see, it maynot do the x64 thing |
| 20:00.32 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 20:00.32 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 20:00.58 | pzn | wols_, what is "make it imutable"? |
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| 20:01.04 | wols_ | tymonn: answer your question yourself in the future. especially pr0n questions |
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| 20:01.11 | wols_ | pzn: man chattr |
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| 20:01.42 | pzn | wols_, ???? I want to open the file and print its content... |
| 20:01.54 | wols_ | pzn: man cat |
| 20:02.02 | dkr | wols_: heh, fraps is just software to record video from your screen |
| 20:02.04 | wols_ | pzn: and I answered you LONG ago |
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| 20:02.19 | wols_ | dkr: if you keep it up I ignore you too |
| 20:02.38 | dkr | wols_: uhm, what is wrong with you? |
| 20:03.05 | dkr | wols_: looks like you are on support burn out. time for q break :) |
| 20:03.28 | cloakable | Heh |
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| 20:04.45 | dkr | wols_: fraps has nothing to do with porn. he wants software to record his desktop image buffer like for a video tutorial of how to use software or a game run-through |
| 20:05.01 | pzn | wols_, sorry... not a native english speaker, I coudn't understand your answers. What I asked is what package can I install to view/print a .xps file... I don't want to use chattr to make imutable... |
| 20:05.11 | wols_ | pzn: none |
| 20:05.24 | wols_ | 20:52 < wols_> pzn: http://filext.com/file-extension/xps |
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| 20:05.56 | dkr | tymonn: istanbul - Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video |
| 20:06.21 | tymonn | dkr: :D thanks a LOT |
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| 20:06.27 | tymonn | Rui: :) |
| 20:06.37 | tymonn | Fraps-like project" tb anda aà |
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| 20:07.21 | tymonn | http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ there is this one too |
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| 20:08.14 | dkr | oh, now I see what wols_ was whining about. <tymonn> wols_: do ya know? for kinda film girls taking her clouth of :D I missed that |
| 20:08.35 | tymonn | haha dkr :P |
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| 20:09.13 | tymonn | ho, i missed that one too :x |
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| 20:09.53 | pzn | wols_, ok, thanks |
| 20:09.59 | tymonn | i tought if i talk bout naked girls he would answer quickcly i was joking |
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| 20:10.21 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am trying to build mysql deb package from source. there is a debian directory with all the required info in it.however when i build the packages, libmysqlclient5.0 is not built. can someone shed light on that. i am trying to do this on a sarge system. i tried the packages in the backports apparently my system has older version of libc hence can't use the binary packages |
| 20:10.38 | dkr | I had an impression of him as a sane guy. I think he is just having a bad day |
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| 20:11.39 | dkr | thelostbutler: are you aware that sarge won't be maintained in 2 more months? might want to upgrade to stable version |
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| 20:12.11 | dkr | thelostbutler: libmysqlclient is the package you are rebuilding? |
| 20:12.12 | thelostbutler | dkr: yes i am aware. it will gonna take time to migrate a whole lot of systems from sarge -> etch -> lenny |
| 20:12.29 | tymonn | wols_: i am sorry man, i was just joking :x |
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| 20:13.24 | dkr | thelostbutler: using debuild? |
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| 20:13.29 | Nostahl | hi all what package do i need to apt-get for setting up my wireless? |
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| 20:13.48 | dondelelcaro | Nostahl: depends on the wireless. wireless-tools for a starter. |
| 20:13.53 | thelostbutler | dkr: nope. i am trying to build mysql-5.0. i got the source from mysql's site and the source has the debian subdirectory with all the control files etc. so just ran dpkg-buildpackage. it build the binary and libmysqlclient5.0-dev package but notlibmysqlclient5.0 |
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| 20:15.10 | Nostahl | what does wireless-tools give me exactly |
| 20:15.21 | dondelelcaro | !pdo |
| 20:15.22 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 20:16.16 | dondelelcaro | (specifically http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/wireless-tools/filelist ) |
| 20:16.18 | dkr | thelostbutler: maybe use the etch mysql5 source package instead? |
| 20:16.23 | wols_ | !tell Nostahl about search |
| 20:16.38 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: why are you building it from source? |
| 20:16.46 | wols_ | thelostbutler: there is an error if that is not built. |
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| 20:16.55 | dkr | he is on sarge |
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| 20:17.03 | John-Pine_ | hi |
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| 20:17.36 | dondelelcaro | dkr: repeat my question with emphasis. |
| 20:17.43 | dkr | heh |
| 20:17.44 | John-Pine_ | is it possible to do a net install without any launch cd? |
| 20:17.56 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: why are you building it from source when you can install the version from backports.org? See http://packages.debian.org/mysql-server-5.0 |
| 20:18.10 | Nostahl | dpkg isnt responding to me whats up? |
| 20:18.36 | dkr | Nostahl: works for me |
| 20:18.56 | sofr | John-Pine_: you can boot using floppy, usb-flash or whatever your machine supports |
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| 20:19.13 | Nostahl | can you tell dpkg to tell me about wireless-tools :) |
| 20:19.21 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: the sarge systems have not been updated since the first release. they have an old libc. the binary packages on sarge-backports depends on another version. the installation had failed |
| 20:19.26 | John-Pine_ | sofr: i'd like a pure net install |
| 20:19.35 | John-Pine_ | using tftp / dhcp |
| 20:19.53 | dkr | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'wireless-tools'. |
| 20:19.58 | sofr | I believe it's possible, but i have never tried |
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| 20:20.05 | John-Pine_ | but i don't know how to know if my box support this kind of boot |
| 20:20.06 | wols_ | thelostbutler: then update the libc? the only reason it was updated is security flaws |
| 20:20.08 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: uh... you need to upgrade them, and if you're having problems with the backports install, give us the output from the failed install, and we'll walk you trhough it. |
| 20:20.17 | John-Pine_ | (ie: boot with dhcp/tftp) |
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| 20:20.21 | wols_ | John-Pine_: do you have a debian question? |
| 20:20.25 | Nostahl | how does dpkg not know what wireless-tools is if its the actual package you get from apt heh |
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| 20:20.42 | wols_ | !info wireless-tools etch |
| 20:20.49 | Nostahl | im on lenny |
| 20:20.49 | dpkg | wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 28-1 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 20:20.55 | dkr | he doesn't have factoids about every package |
| 20:20.56 | wols_ | !info wireless-tools lenny |
| 20:21.03 | dpkg | wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is optional. Version: 29-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 20:21.14 | dkr | have to use the package search features,like info |
| 20:21.18 | jim | John-Pine_: do you have an integrated net card |
| 20:21.47 | John-Pine_ | jim: unfortunately, no |
| 20:21.54 | wols_ | John-Pine_: "does my box support network booting" is not a debian support problem. it's a hardware question |
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| 20:22.04 | John-Pine_ | and my BIOS only shows CD/DVD or IDE install |
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| 20:22.20 | jim | John-Pine_: so can you burn CDs? |
| 20:22.21 | John-Pine_ | wols_: please, don't bother yourself with my stupid questions |
| 20:22.30 | John-Pine_ | jim: neither :( |
| 20:22.39 | thelostbutler | wols_: can't update sarge. let me not get into the management upstairs hassle i would run into. |
| 20:22.40 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:22.40 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 20:22.57 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: i guess, i will use the source package from backports. |
| 20:23.01 | wols_ | thelostbutler: tell them if they want their sites to get hacked? |
| 20:23.07 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: you have to; surely your management has the capability of allowing security updates? |
| 20:23.11 | dkr | thelostbutler: how is installing mysql5 not updating? |
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| 20:23.19 | wols_ | John-Pine_: please don't ask off topic questions in here then |
| 20:23.24 | Roman123 | In the debian standard configuration of mysql there are not character settings regarding mysqld. Currently I've to deal with some character encoding problems of my database. :-( Consequentially, I've a question to the database administration experts. Are there any drawbacks if I force the database to use UTF-8 by inserting "collation_server=utf8_unicode_ci", "character_set_server=utf8", and "init-connect='SET NAMES utf8'" into my.cnf? |
| 20:24.00 | John-Pine_ | wols_: i don't think its not debian related, as i first needed to know what kind of installations debian provides |
| 20:24.01 | wols_ | Roman123: by default debian uses utf8 and sos hould your DB |
| 20:24.04 | thelostbutler | wols_: they don't care about the internal systems security. it is an uphill battle we are fighting. |
| 20:24.12 | jim | John-Pine_: you're going to have to figure out a way to do this, perhaps the easiest for you at this point is floppies, IF you can lay your hands on any good working floppies |
| 20:24.17 | wols_ | !tell John-Pine_ about ig |
| 20:24.19 | thelostbutler | dkr: welcome to my world of convoluted management thinking :D |
| 20:24.33 | wols_ | John-Pine_: and asking about your hardware capabilities is STILL not on topic |
| 20:24.34 | Roman123 | wols_: sos? |
| 20:24.51 | wols_ | Roman123: *so should |
| 20:24.56 | jim | John-Pine_: that document is pretty detailed, it gives pretty much all possible paths |
| 20:25.15 | jim | so do you have a cdrom drive in that machine? |
| 20:25.17 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make multi-monitor setup in xorg? |
| 20:25.19 | John-Pine_ | sure |
| 20:25.22 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: yes we maintain local mirrors of intial sarge/etch releases that don't get updated , security updates are not applied to dev systems. it is a fight i am fighting. |
| 20:25.22 | jim | if not, we're done here :) |
| 20:25.24 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: manually :( |
| 20:25.28 | HardDisk_WP | my nv6600 gt has dvi and vga out |
| 20:25.28 | wols_ | !tell HardDisk_WP about xinerama |
| 20:25.34 | jim | ok, can you get someone else to burn you a netinst cd? |
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| 20:25.42 | dkr | !tell HardDisk_WP about ... damn, wols_ too fast :P |
| 20:25.55 | jim | (because as near as I can tell, your machine is not set up to do netboot) |
| 20:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, thanks! does this apply also to notebooks? |
| 20:26.01 | John-Pine_ | jim: i think i can't atm .. i'll do this later then |
| 20:26.03 | abrotman | dkr: I don't know about ... damn, wols_ too fast :P |
| 20:26.05 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: the manual part? yes |
| 20:26.12 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 20:26.22 | Roman123 | wols_: Entering my posted statements in my.cnf seems the only way to get really consistent utf8 db entries. |
| 20:26.25 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: I mean, if you need someone with credentials to impress your managers, it's not a big deal for me to talk to them. |
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| 20:26.40 | wols_ | Roman123: does your php code or whatever client use utf9? |
| 20:26.43 | jim | John-Pine_: ok, good enough. wols_ referred you to the install guide; you should check it out |
| 20:26.47 | wols_ | utf8 |
| 20:26.52 | jim | ttyl, I'm going out |
| 20:27.13 | thelostbutler | anyway digging around more apparently libmysqlclient15off is the new name for libmysqlclient15, i guess i would need to inject a dummy package to just satisfy the dependencies |
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| 20:27.34 | Roman123 | wols_: the situation is pretty complicated. Let me give you a short example explaining the problem. |
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| 20:28.51 | en0000_ | hi guys |
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| 20:29.18 | cyberjames | hi en0000_ |
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| 20:30.24 | Roman123 | wols_: If I use my CMS system, which is fully utf-8 compatible, to insert an umlaut into the website, it displays well on the site (browser says utf8). But if I use phpmyadmin to take a look at the database entry inself it is not utf8 encoded. |
| 20:30.24 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i don't have two gfx cards in my system, but how should xorg differ between the two outputs as the PCI ID is the same? |
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| 20:30.25 | ratamahatta | hi |
| 20:30.26 | ratamahatta | i want to run opengl |
| 20:30.30 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: why would it need to "differ" |
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| 20:30.41 | wols_ | X is quite capable of dealing with videocards with two outputs |
| 20:30.49 | wols_ | ratamahatta: what videochip? |
| 20:31.11 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, hm...let's try it :p |
| 20:31.12 | wols_ | ratamahatta: to what is your locale set? |
| 20:31.17 | ratamahatta | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 20:31.45 | ratamahatta | my locale ? i dont know |
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| 20:31.59 | ratamahatta | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 20:32.46 | wols_ | ratamahatta: sorry, that was for Roman123 |
| 20:32.56 | wols_ | ratamahatta: what debian branch? |
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| 20:33.25 | ratamahatta | im trying to run a fps game but it just keeps on complaining about that i dont have hardware opengl enabled |
| 20:33.33 | ratamahatta | unstable wols_ |
| 20:33.50 | wols_ | you need the nvidia legacy drivers. only available in stable |
| 20:34.00 | pixel | hey guys, i'm having trouble getting sound working. i've checked the online documentation, but i still can't get it. can anyone help? |
| 20:34.00 | ratamahatta | ay ! |
| 20:34.05 | wols_ | abrotman: what did you expect? it's a permasunday |
| 20:34.15 | wols_ | pixel: what soundcard? |
| 20:34.52 | ratamahatta | nvidia legacy drivers are not supported for unstable then ? and what if i get the drivers from the nvidia site ? |
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| 20:35.02 | ratamahatta | damn that sux |
| 20:35.06 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:35.13 | edthefox | pixel: I had to go to the #alsa channel to get help, no one seemed to know here when i asked this morning |
| 20:35.24 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: how would i build from the sources on backports, since i had to download the packages individually, how do i patch the mysql*orig* directory to have the debian subdirectory. i don't have a local mirror of backports hence couldn't do apt-get |
| 20:35.25 | DexterF | convert ogg to mp3 - there a cli tool? lame only takes wav input, right? |
| 20:35.53 | maligor | edthefox, the magic of updating your drivers, eh :P |
| 20:35.55 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: you're really better off convincing your management to do it right, I'm not entirely interested in helping you walk down the wrong path. |
| 20:35.57 | pixel | nothing's working, i can't even do cat /dev/sndstat |
| 20:36.10 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 20:36.10 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is probably 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 20:36.17 | Roman123 | wolfs: ie, by using phpmyadmin the umlaut in the database looks skewed up. |
| 20:36.24 | wols_ | pixel: answer the question |
| 20:36.28 | edthefox | maligor: heh! yeah |
| 20:36.28 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: okay. thank you |
| 20:36.29 | pixel | one sec |
| 20:36.37 | wols_ | Roman123: nvidia.com drivers are not supported here |
| 20:36.47 | Roman123 | wols_: ? |
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| 20:37.01 | wols_ | Roman123: then phpmyadmin itself doesn't use the right codepage |
| 20:37.09 | edthefox | pixel: let me guess, you get an error when you run alsamixer?? |
| 20:37.17 | JshWright | 'lo all |
| 20:37.35 | wols_ | let me guess it's a HDA intel soundcard |
| 20:37.39 | pixel | yeah, i'm running alsaconf right now |
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| 20:37.46 | Roman123 | wols_: no, phpmyadmin works correct. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-connection.html |
| 20:37.51 | wols_ | chops: define "by hand" |
| 20:37.55 | maligor | the people who designed HDA Intel should burn in hell |
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| 20:38.05 | chops | wols_: make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install |
| 20:38.08 | edthefox | pixel: alsaconf did not fix mine |
| 20:38.09 | pixel | it says, ess es1896 sound card |
| 20:38.14 | wols_ | chops: eeeeek! |
| 20:38.17 | pixel | *1869 |
| 20:38.23 | chops | wols_: I'm eager to see how much fun I'm in for :-) |
| 20:38.35 | chops | wols_: I want to test the 2.6.25-rc2 kernel... is there an easy Debianized way to do that? |
| 20:38.36 | wols_ | pixel: lspci does? that's an OLD soundcard which has been supported for a long time |
| 20:38.41 | JshWright | How do I get apt to "forget" about a file? I want to overwrite a file owned by one package with one owned by another... |
| 20:38.54 | wols_ | chops: maybe make-kpkg from unstable? |
| 20:38.57 | chops | wols_: (I guess I should have asked that before I spent half an hour in 'make oldconfig' :-) |
| 20:39.17 | pixel | when i do alsaconf, it finishes ok, and says everything's working, but i still can't get sound |
| 20:39.23 | chops | wols_: Hm, it's on an etch system that's in production (setting up to test something during downtime) |
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| 20:39.38 | wols_ | chops: make a VM or chroot with sid then :) |
| 20:39.40 | pixel | alsamixer works now |
| 20:39.42 | chops | wols_: I just made a sid partition with debootstrap... maybe it would have been better to use that. |
| 20:39.44 | Roman123 | wols_: it seems that only a few people know how this mysql - character encoding work in detail :-( I'm not of them :-( |
| 20:39.53 | wols_ | and no one ever said you had to make-kpkg on the system you intend to run the kernel on |
| 20:40.06 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: good luck convincing them; if someone with real credentials is needed, feel free to have them e-mail me. |
| 20:40.09 | chops | wols_: Hm, good point |
| 20:40.10 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: don@debian.org |
| 20:40.15 | TeraBoy | Im finding that bind9 is ignoring the entries in my /etc/hosts file even though "order" in /etc/host.conf is set to "hosts,bind". Anyone have any experience with this? |
| 20:40.57 | wols_ | chops: note I doN't say it will work. but it's reasonable to try |
| 20:41.02 | chops | wols_: nod |
| 20:41.14 | chops | wols_: And kernels are such complex beasts now that I'm sure this way will turn into a big hassle |
| 20:41.37 | expose | Why isnt "find ." listing everything alphabethically? Where does it have the order from? (reiserfs) |
| 20:41.37 | pixel | yeah, alsaconf says its fine, mixer shows max volume, but there's no sound |
| 20:41.38 | gourmand | DexterF: lame understands ogg format as input |
| 20:41.38 | wols_ | with kernel-package, managing them is child's play now :) |
| 20:41.42 | Purdy | i'm doing a dist-upgrade (sarge -> etch) and the "aptitude ... dist-upgrade" has been running for > 40 min and the latest is "open: 390046; closed: 251979; defer: 0; conflict: 29" (resolving dependencies) ... is this normal? |
| 20:41.49 | dondelelcaro | TeraBoy: bind doesn't obey that configuration file |
| 20:41.52 | expose | oh no - ext3. |
| 20:41.59 | Roman123 | wols_: The problem seems to be related to this one "If you are wondering why -despite all UTF8 settings- you still don't get non-ASCII characters right, it might be the case that the _connection_ character set is still standard latin1." |
| 20:42.17 | pixel | there we go, got it |
| 20:42.21 | wols_ | Roman123: yes. in which case your CMS is to blame |
| 20:42.29 | pixel | now i just need to make it so i don't have to do alsaconf every time i turn on the tower |
| 20:42.40 | pixel | how do i auto load sound drivers? |
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| 20:42.52 | wols_ | pixel: put them in /etc/modules |
| 20:42.58 | TeraBoy | dondelelcaro, how do I tell it to search hosts first? |
| 20:42.58 | pixel | kk |
| 20:43.04 | chops | wols_: How would I go about compiling 2.6.25-rc2 from a sid chroot? Is it possible to just point make-kpkg at the vanilla kernel tarball, or do I need to do some sort of elaborate fakery to get it to work? |
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| 20:43.32 | DexterF | gourmand: do I need to specify? first try results in 700k sized fiels |
| 20:43.34 | wols_ | chops: make-kpkg works fine with vanilla sorces (unpacked) |
| 20:43.39 | wols_ | I always use vanilla ones |
| 20:43.44 | chops | wols_: k, I'll try that. Thanks! |
| 20:43.56 | wols_ | unpack the sources, menuconfig them, run make-kpkg inside it |
| 20:44.17 | pixel | how can I get a list of the sound modules i need to put in /etc/modules? |
| 20:44.24 | wols_ | don't forget to make binary_arch. you want image and headers |
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| 20:44.32 | pixel | i know if i do alsaconf it unloads the drivers, but then i've gotta go through that whole process again |
| 20:44.39 | chops | wols_: Oh... for some reason I always assumed it was like dpkg-buildpackage where it needed to have debian-specific information in the directory. |
| 20:44.50 | wols_ | pixel: due to the magic of modrpobe you generally only need the driver for your card and possibly the oss ones |
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| 20:45.02 | wols_ | chops: no. kernel-package is better |
| 20:45.05 | wols_ | much better |
| 20:45.17 | Roman123 | wols_: btw, thanks for the help. I've tried wordpress as well as drupal. They show exactly the same behavior. Inserting "collation_server=utf8_unicode_ci" and "character_set_server=utf8" seems to fix this problem but I'm not sure if this setting will cause any serious drawbacks to other mysql related things. |
| 20:45.18 | Purdy | pixel: you may be able to find it from 'lsmod' |
| 20:45.20 | chops | wols_: (afk for a bit, coffee, thanks for your assistance, I'll let you know how it goes) |
| 20:45.38 | wols_ | gl |
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| 20:45.57 | dondelelcaro | TeraBoy: I'm not aware of any way to have it search /etc/hosts. You should use full zones instead. |
| 20:46.05 | pixel | would it be soundcore? |
| 20:46.31 | Roman123 | wols_: workpress from debian and drupal from the website (since etch does not deliver drupal packages). |
| 20:46.38 | Roman123 | wordpress |
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| 20:47.29 | leonardo | hi I'm a home user using testing version, but as i can see i will not have problems using sid |
| 20:47.42 | leonardo | would like to install it |
| 20:47.51 | Purdy | pixel: it depends on your sound card and its chipset |
| 20:47.57 | dondelelcaro | leonardo: you upgrade to sid, you don't install it. |
| 20:47.57 | leonardo | but many people say that it's not a good idea |
| 20:48.05 | pixel | i'm pretty sure that's it. i just add 'modprobe soundcore' to /etc/modules? |
| 20:48.11 | leonardo | i say upgrade |
| 20:48.13 | Purdy | no |
| 20:48.18 | Purdy | pixel: no, just put 'soundcore' |
| 20:48.33 | pixel | ok, i'm gonna have to go back to the documentation some more, but i'll do that, thanks |
| 20:48.38 | dondelelcaro | leonardo: when you're ready for sid, you'll be able to tell yourself exactly what the problems are with using it, and what you can do to solve them. |
| 20:48.39 | leonardo | do you think i can upgrade to s‎id without many problems |
| 20:48.44 | wols_ | pixel: no |
| 20:48.46 | Purdy | pixel: then reboot and do a 'dmesg' and read thru and see if loaded/detected properly |
| 20:48.50 | leonardo | what maximum can happen with me |
| 20:48.58 | pixel | kk |
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| 20:49.05 | gourmand | DexterF: sorry, just checked, i was wrong. use: oggdec <infile> -o - | lame - <outfile> |
| 20:49.08 | dondelelcaro | leonardo: that's a question that only you can answer, unfortunatly. The maximum is that a package could wipe your entire drive. |
| 20:49.09 | TeraBoy | dondelelcaro, well, Im using hosts to blacklist certain domains, might get messy :/ |
| 20:49.17 | wols_ | leonardo: you debian can break and your data get lost if you don't backup |
| 20:49.23 | leonardo | bad |
| 20:49.35 | leonardo | will not update |
| 20:49.36 | pixel | and reboot... |
| 20:49.39 | pixel | exit |
| 20:49.47 | edthefox | what's a good media player for general linux desktop usage?? |
| 20:50.06 | Purdy | edthefox: i like amarok |
| 20:50.20 | maligor | edthefox, depends on the features you want |
| 20:50.33 | dondelelcaro | TeraBoy: ah, if this is just for a lan, dnsmasq is probably what you want |
| 20:50.44 | leonardo | i know people here don't like to listen ubuntu, but that use last version? |
| 20:50.46 | craigevil | edthefox: vlc plays just about anything |
| 20:50.53 | Purdy | tho lemme clarify - that's specifically/only an *audio* media player |
| 20:50.53 | piju | ya |
| 20:50.58 | thelostbutler | edthefox: gmplayer, vlc, totem |
| 20:51.00 | piju | i love vlc, mplayer, audacious |
| 20:51.12 | piju | mplayer rawks |
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| 20:51.20 | dondelelcaro | leonardo: yes, but they do a lot to it; the problem with unstable is that it's constantly changing, and can break in almost any way imagineable. |
| 20:51.32 | dondelelcaro | leonardo: it may be perfectly fine today, and hideously broken tomorrow. |
| 20:51.48 | leonardo | ok understand |
| 20:51.50 | craigevil | like the qt3 update a couple of weeks ago that frakked kde |
| 20:51.52 | leonardo | thanks |
| 20:51.54 | TeraBoy | dondelelcaro, yeah, just using it for caching for a lan, but that part has worked for a while. Guess I'll look into dnsmasq |
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| 20:51.57 | DexterF | gourmand: yup, thanks |
| 20:52.00 | Purdy | any advice/input on my prev. q? how long a dist-upgrade should take trying to resolve dependencies? |
| 20:52.18 | chairmeleon | Please, could anyone help me with getting automounting of my local ext3 partitions to work? |
| 20:52.20 | dondelelcaro | TeraBoy: yeah, dnsmasq is one of the better ones; by default it doesn't do dhcp, so it should just be a drop in replacement. |
| 20:52.35 | chairmeleon | It worked flawlessly in ArchLinux kernel 2.6.22, no policies added to hal |
| 20:52.39 | dondelelcaro | chairmeleon: you just need to add them to /etc/fstab. man 5 fstab for details; |
| 20:52.39 | edthefox | maligor: well, typical utubeage, windows media, wav's and mp3s and such, you see, today is my first day after leaving windows for the desktop so i'm kinda green on the linux desktop side |
| 20:52.48 | wols_ | chairmeleon: internal harddisk partition? |
| 20:53.03 | andrej | RyanRyan52 : in case you remember my funny issue with openntp yesterday ... turns out that (despite the fact that installation of openntp said it would purge ntp) ntp was still up & running ... go figure |
| 20:53.07 | wols_ | !tell edthefox about dmm |
| 20:53.15 | chairmeleon | wols_: indeed, my external (USB) hdd is the only one that DOES indeed automount |
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| 20:53.30 | maligor | edthefox, for music banshee is pretty nice ;) |
| 20:53.35 | wols_ | if it's internal you simply add it to fstab |
| 20:53.37 | maligor | edthefox, assuming you use gnome |
| 20:54.14 | edthefox | wols_: THANK YOU! |
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| 20:54.30 | dondelelcaro | chairmeleon: if you're still lost after reading man 5 fstab; you can paste /etc/fstab and the output of /proc/mount after you've manually mounted the drives and your best guess of what you should be adding to /etc/fstab to a pastebin. |
| 20:54.31 | Miesco | How do I enable a printer? |
| 20:54.36 | chairmeleon | donelelcaro: yeah well that's what I wanted to avoid. I haven't had to in other distros, and the partitions are fully visible in Konqueror. it just complains about insufficient privileges |
| 20:54.37 | wols_ | !tell Miesco about printing |
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| 20:54.57 | edthefox | maligor: i'm using gnome-core but I like the coolness of openbox |
| 20:55.25 | wols_ | chairmeleon: si ut us nizbted but it's an old partition made by archlinux and your user there? |
| 20:55.29 | wols_ | !tell chairmeleon about permissions |
| 20:55.32 | maligor | heh, I could never stand *box's myself, used to use wmaker before gnome |
| 20:55.56 | chairmeleon | dondelelcaro: I know perfectly well how to add partitions to /etc/fstab, automounting is my issue |
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| 20:56.25 | stegbth | hello everybody |
| 20:56.35 | chairmeleon | wols_: what exactly do you mean? |
| 20:56.36 | stegbth | what is the opposite of ago for -d in date ? |
| 20:56.40 | dkr | chairmeleon: auto is a default option in fstab |
| 20:56.42 | wols_ | chairmeleon: mount |
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| 20:56.48 | wols_ | chairmeleon: does the partition show up? |
| 20:56.54 | wols_ | without mounting it manually? |
| 20:57.15 | Miesco | Would I use `enable`? |
| 20:57.16 | dondelelcaro | chairmeleon: if it's an internal drive, adding it properly to /etc/fstab will cause them to be automounted at boot. |
| 20:57.23 | dkr | chairmeleon: if you specified non-default options and didn't include auto it won't get auto mounted at boot |
| 20:57.29 | chairmeleon | wols_: the partitions were made in..I guess debian etch, ages ago, and have all mounted flawlessly in all distributions, except for the latest debian lenny. yes, the partition shows up |
| 20:57.34 | stegbth | so i want to get the days in day's |
| 20:57.38 | stegbth | future |
| 20:57.48 | chairmeleon | it's when I try and click it in Konqueror that it complains about privileges/permissions |
| 20:58.05 | dondelelcaro | chairmeleon: so it's mounted, but the permissions are wrong? |
| 20:58.24 | wols_ | chairmeleon: if is already mounted and you have a permission error it's not automounting problem |
| 20:58.33 | wols_ | it is a permissions problem then |
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| 20:58.44 | chairmeleon | dedelelcaro: nope, it's not mounted, it's when I try and click it in konqueror, to mount it, that it complains about permissions |
| 20:58.55 | wols_ | chairmeleon: then put it in fstab |
| 20:59.11 | chairmeleon | I don't have any permission problems when mounted manually, the problem seems to be the permissions to actually mount it |
| 20:59.22 | wols_ | chairmeleon: what is your fstab line? |
| 20:59.34 | Nyle | I dont know if this is kde specific or not, but I have a USB >< IDE > HDD, and it reads just like a usb device would, however the IDE disk can have any type of FS, not restricted to usb/vfat. is there a way to autodetect the type of fs and auto mount using pmount or something ? |
| 20:59.45 | wols_ | and why can't you simply mount it on bootup when it's internal? |
| 20:59.49 | chairmeleon | wols_: well I tried to avoid that...or rather figure out why I'd have to put it in fstab, since I haven't had to in any other distro |
| 20:59.59 | Miesco | How do I enable my cups printer, says its disabled |
| 21:00.01 | Nyle | I mentioned kde because that is what I use, but I do'nt ue the kde specific features of media:/ etc. |
| 21:00.16 | chairmeleon | of course I can mount it via fstab, it |
| 21:00.17 | Miesco | Like from the command line, I can do it from the GUI |
| 21:00.20 | TeraBoy | dondelelcaro, found my problem. Evidently nslookup does look in /etc/hosts first, but the dig command goes straight to my bind server.....perplexing indeed. All that matters though is that firefox is indeed not seeing any ad-servers anymore |
| 21:00.46 | chairmeleon | it's not a huge problem, but I'm still curious as to why this automounting does not work in debian as opposed to virtually any other distro |
| 21:00.55 | chops | TeraBoy: That's exactly what dig is supposed to do |
| 21:01.07 | Nyle | how can I find out the file system type using commandline(something I can use in a script) |
| 21:01.07 | andrej | stegbth : date --date='2 weeks ago' and its counterpart is date --date='2 weeks' |
| 21:01.11 | tralala | chairmeleon, which automounting doesn't work? |
| 21:01.15 | chairmeleon | mainly because, I like debian a lot, and having partitions mount without text file editing is a huge matter of usability for many potential converts |
| 21:01.16 | andrej | just drop the ago |
| 21:01.28 | wols_ | Nyle: man file |
| 21:01.39 | ox1 | hi |
| 21:01.49 | TeraBoy | chops, figured it would use the resolver library |
| 21:02.06 | ox1 | does anyone know: do I need to setup apache to be able to use subdomains with tomcat? |
| 21:02.12 | chairmeleon | tralala: clicking local ext3 partitions in Konqueror (or Nautilus/Gnome) for that matter, and having them show up mounted and accessible |
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| 21:02.21 | ox1 | and... what's the best way to install apache with debian? |
| 21:02.34 | wols_ | ox1: aptitude apache2 |
| 21:02.38 | wols_ | ox1: aptitude install apache2 |
| 21:02.45 | ox1 | wols: ok, thanks |
| 21:02.58 | ox1 | and do I really need it? |
| 21:03.03 | chairmeleon | this has been doable in a number of other distros, without any extra configuration. among them: ArchLinux, Zenwalk, Ubuntu, Mandriva and SuSE |
| 21:03.06 | tralala | chairmeleon, automounting local partitions? I don't see much use for that. |
| 21:03.11 | ox1 | I mean for using subdomains with tomcat |
| 21:03.27 | ox1 | wols: what if I want to use php after? no problem? |
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| 21:04.13 | wols_ | of coursew no. if you install it via debian's package management like everything else |
| 21:04.16 | chairmeleon | tralala: well maybe not for anyone comfortable with editing /etc/fstab, but for the potential WIN-->LIN converts I have among my friends, it's a huge usability plus to have that ability |
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| 21:05.10 | Braunmann | well, i am no longer a k9 virgin per se, i had my very first penetration last night with a black lab, he wasn't as big as i expected and he didn't want to hump me but he was really excited and licked me after he came inside of me:), we ended up having to dilldog with him because he was very excited, he just didn't know what to do with it once it was hard-poor thing lol...i am definitly happy with my experience and i can |
| 21:05.10 | chairmeleon | and problem or not, I'd like to find out why this functionality is not present in debian, but in other distros with the same version of software components, same /etc/fstab and hal policy setup |
| 21:05.10 | tralala | chairmeleon, potential converts are likely to start with another distro |
| 21:05.10 | chops | TeraBoy: dig is a client from BIND, it queries name servers with various options. |
| 21:05.13 | ox1 | wols: okay, thanks |
| 21:05.15 | chops | !ops Braunmann |
| 21:05.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chops complains about: Braunmann |
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| 21:05.27 | abrotman | easy enough |
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| 21:05.49 | maligor | chairmeleon, well, configuration is the primary difference between distroes |
| 21:06.07 | chairmeleon | tralala: Yeah and that's what I'd be very keen on changing. But still..there's something strange. Because, ArchLinux has even less (virtually no) automatic preconfiguration of things, and still it works on first boot |
| 21:06.09 | maligor | if they were all the same, there wouldn't be anything to choose from |
| 21:06.41 | Purdy | follow-up: i killed the dist-upgrade and took out the testing/unstable lines in sources.list and re-ran it and it was much better |
| 21:06.55 | wols_ | Purdy: duh! |
| 21:06.56 | Purdy | the only thing it complained about was that it was installing libdsp from an untrusted source |
| 21:07.06 | Purdy | *grin* |
| 21:07.26 | tralala | chairmeleon, newbie friendliness and power user friendliness are confilicting goals in my experience |
| 21:07.49 | chairmeleon | tralala: well..you wouldn't really call archlinux newbie friendly, eh? |
| 21:08.16 | chairmeleon | it has less preconfiguration then debian, but still this automounting works, so it can't be the result of a complicated manual setup, really |
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| 21:09.00 | snorky | hi |
| 21:09.10 | tralala | chairmeleon, I also wouldn't call local automounting one of the biggest stumbling blocks for newbs |
| 21:09.22 | tralala | (in debian) |
| 21:09.51 | wols_ | tralala: I simply don't get why he needs to automount a internal partition. simply baffles me |
| 21:10.01 | wols_ | and why he can't put it into fstab |
| 21:10.14 | wols_ | heck the installer should have done it automatically |
| 21:10.18 | tralala | 23:04 < chairmeleon> tralala: well maybe not for anyone comfortable with editing /etc/fstab, but for the potential WIN-->LIN converts I have among my friends, it's a huge usability plus to have that ability |
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| 21:12.43 | HyperDevil | how can i easily make some "fake" cpu usage= |
| 21:12.45 | HyperDevil | ? |
| 21:12.49 | tralala | wols_, but I wouldn't recommend debian to a newb unless I intend to configure it myself |
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| 21:12.59 | wols_ | HyperDevil: for what reason? |
| 21:13.02 | dkr | HyperDevil: run top and set refresh to 0 second |
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| 21:13.23 | wols_ | tralala: I wouldn't recommend ANY PC to a newb unless I do |
| 21:13.30 | wols_ | bei it windows ubuntu or debian |
| 21:13.36 | HyperDevil | wols_: i made a cpu usage RRD graph, i want to know what happen when the load goes to 100 ;) |
| 21:13.46 | wols_ | cpuburn |
| 21:14.04 | HyperDevil | wols_: is that a linux apt package? |
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| 21:14.25 | dkr | well,just usong cpu won't push load all that high, you need to fork lots of different procs waiting on cpu to do that |
| 21:14.32 | snorky | My /etc/init.d/gdm script fail if I don't use zsh to launch it, but I can't figure why. It seems that start_daemon can't be found without the 'zsh'. I can't find start_daemon (only a start-stop-daemon). where should I found start_daemon ? |
| 21:14.39 | tralala | wols_, good point. Too bad people just go and buy pcs without asking. |
| 21:14.40 | wols_ | !info cpuburn |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-27 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 21:15.09 | HyperDevil | wols: yeah how can i fork a lott of processes? |
| 21:15.19 | dkr | snorky: check your path? |
| 21:15.23 | maligor | tralala, yeah, there should be a computer users license, just like a drivers license |
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| 21:15.57 | wols_ | HyperDevil: a fork bomb. but what for? |
| 21:16.07 | wols_ | and sngle process can load the cpu just as much |
| 21:16.09 | snorky | dkr > my path seems to be ok, but I don't know where should be this start_daemon |
| 21:16.17 | tralala | maligor, this will certainly help - it will make internet as safe as the public roads. Err... wait, they aren't any safer than the internet... |
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| 21:16.21 | chairmeleon | wols_: problem is not that I can't put things in /etc/fstab, I'm just curious as to why debian lacks a 'feature' present in all other distributions I've ever tried, newb and power user-geared ones alike |
| 21:16.27 | Deepa|Away | I get a (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 21:16.34 | Deepa|Away | though netstat and lsof could not find anything running at port 80 |
| 21:16.39 | ShereKhan | I am trying to setup Etch to boot from a USB key. One of the things I'd like to get working is wifi. I am testing on a computer with ipw3945, but when I try to start ipw3945d it only says "ipw3945d failed!". Any tips? |
| 21:16.39 | HyperDevil | wols_: haha fork bomb :) ok i will try cpuburn |
| 21:16.56 | wols_ | Deepa|Away: are you root while using netstat? and what netstat command did you use? |
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| 21:17.10 | Deepa|Away | netstat -ap and netstat -vpla, yes as root |
| 21:17.23 | wols_ | !tell ShereKhan about ipw3945 |
| 21:17.31 | wols_ | ShereKhan: also check your logs |
| 21:17.52 | wols_ | Deepa|Away: netstat -anp |grep 80 |
| 21:18.39 | Deepa|Away | since when do I have IPv6 support? lots of tcp6 204 0 ::ffff:80.244.90.117:80 ::ffff:80.244.90.1:3438 CLOSE_WAIT - |
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| 21:19.12 | chops | Deepa|Away: Are you root when you try to bind to port 80? Only root can bind to that port. |
| 21:19.19 | wols_ | Deepa|Away: since etch |
| 21:19.39 | wols_ | Deepa|Away: netstat -anp |grep 80|grep LISTEN |
| 21:19.43 | Deepa|Away | I did a /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 21:20.03 | ShereKhan | wols_: I have all those packages. I have the modules and the firmware, and the card is detected just fine by the kernel. I obviously also have the daemon, since it fails to start :o\ |
| 21:20.25 | susanne-- | where are the kernel header files stored for the running kernel? |
| 21:20.27 | wols_ | check your logs |
| 21:20.38 | wols_ | ShereKhan: dpkg -L will tell you |
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| 21:20.55 | Deepa|Away | Nothing is listening on port 80 according to netstat -anp |grep 80|grep LISTEN |
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| 21:21.02 | andrej | !tell andrej about ipw3945 |
| 21:21.08 | tesmar | hey all |
| 21:21.09 | thelostbutler | susanne--: linux-headers-<kernelversion> page |
| 21:21.13 | thelostbutler | **package |
| 21:21.16 | ox1 | which version of apache should I install with etch? |
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| 21:21.20 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 21:21.23 | ShereKhan | wols_: No single log mention anything about the nic, except three lines about the kernel detecting it |
| 21:21.24 | wols_ | !tell andrej about selftell |
| 21:21.25 | tesmar | what is the easiest way to stop a program from loading on startup in 4,0? |
| 21:21.35 | SamuraiDio | where ca i get help on xmame and xmess? |
| 21:21.40 | thelostbutler | tesmar: update-rc.d |
| 21:21.44 | wols_ | tesmar: depends where it'S started |
| 21:21.52 | andrej | thx wols |
| 21:21.56 | wols_ | !tell ShereKhan about aask |
| 21:21.59 | tesmar | I have a web server that starts automaticsally, and I would like to stop it, and instead put my own version on |
| 21:22.00 | wols_ | !tell ShereKhan about ask |
| 21:22.02 | wols_ | oops. |
| 21:22.10 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: ask a real question |
| 21:22.25 | wols_ | tesmar:rcconf |
| 21:22.30 | tesmar | thanks for the xommand advice |
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| 21:22.32 | wols_ | it's started in rc2.d |
| 21:22.38 | SamuraiDio | that's a real, clear, question |
| 21:23.05 | andrej | in that case: try the respective mailing list? |
| 21:23.32 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: good luck then |
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| 21:24.31 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
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| 21:25.09 | thelostbutler | ox1: search on packages.debian.org and you have a list of versions 1.3 /2.x make your pick based on needs |
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| 21:25.37 | ShereKhan | Got it! :o) |
| 21:26.02 | ShereKhan | The daemon script failed because /var/log/ipw3945d/ was missing |
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| 21:33.00 | dkr | ooh, a sarge kernel security update |
| 21:33.04 | S4nD3r | how to solve problem with soundcard |
| 21:33.11 | S4nD3r | its installed, but do not play sounds |
| 21:33.20 | susanne-- | does the debian kernel team apply patches to the kernel before build and release? or do they just use the stock kernel and don't futz with it like the redhat guys? |
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| 21:33.43 | wols_ | susanne--: they do patch it |
| 21:33.47 | wols_ | not as badly as rh people tho |
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| 21:34.00 | susanne-- | wols_: is the linux-source-<version> package the patched source? |
| 21:34.13 | wols_ | susanne--: yes |
| 21:34.44 | chops | susanne--: The Redhat guys futz with the kernel quite a bit |
| 21:34.55 | S4nD3r | loop, snd-pcm-oss, snd-mixer-oss and gspca is in my modules file |
| 21:35.02 | S4nD3r | I dont know what is wrong |
| 21:35.05 | susanne-- | chops: amount of futzing isn't really the question, i'm just looking for the right package to grab the code :-) |
| 21:35.12 | chops | susanne--: nod |
| 21:35.29 | wols_ | susanne--: that is no driver iirc |
| 21:35.34 | S4nD3r | user is in audio group |
| 21:35.53 | susanne-- | wols_, ? that is no driver? |
| 21:36.11 | wols_ | susanne--: was for S4nD3r |
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| 21:36.52 | susanne-- | is there a metapackage that will install the necessary bits for kernel compilation? my make menuconfig is bombing, which leads me to believe i'm missing a package. :-) |
| 21:37.11 | chops | susanne--: kernel-package will do it I believe |
| 21:37.28 | S4nD3r | driver is ok |
| 21:37.32 | S4nD3r | just a second |
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| 21:37.38 | S4nD3r | let me check alsaconf |
| 21:37.54 | susanne-- | oh it was just ncurses i was missing. okay. |
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| 21:39.13 | chemist | I have a box with2 nic's with their own internet connection, I want all internet traffic to go through one of them except for a specific program, I wan to route that through the other nic |
| 21:39.37 | chemist | my question, do I use route or iptables for this? |
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| 21:39.41 | abrotman | does that program always go to the same destination ? |
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| 21:39.49 | bujin | hi |
| 21:39.52 | chemist | yes |
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| 21:39.56 | abrotman | you can use routes |
| 21:40.57 | chemist | as in setting routes up in the kernel rather than using iptables? |
| 21:41.17 | bujin | a question a found this guide of encryption online http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/428 but it says debian etc I wonder if i can do the same using testing? |
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| 21:42.00 | bujin | the encryption works the same in stable as in testing? |
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| 21:42.31 | chemist | abrotman: using the route command? |
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| 21:42.53 | abrotman | chemist: it's possible |
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| 21:43.45 | chops | wols_: make-kpkg on the vanilla sources worked a treat, even outside the sid chroot. Thanks again! |
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| 21:45.14 | mrec__ | hi is it somehow possible to install an older version of a package with aptitude? |
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| 21:45.42 | m1ke_l | anyone know how to parition a 7tb drive? |
| 21:45.49 | chops | m1ke_l: Use LVM |
| 21:45.57 | m1ke_l | no other way? |
| 21:46.05 | TeraBoy | sledgehammer |
| 21:46.08 | Joelito | hi all: Is there anyone here tried to install a full gnome from the DVDs set and returned an error saying that is missing some dependencies that aren't going to be installed? |
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| 21:46.16 | chops | m1ke_l: Well, you probably want to anyway. I would definitely not use DOS partition tables for such a disk. |
| 21:46.20 | bujin | how length a boot partition should be? |
| 21:46.47 | m1ke_l | loosk like the only way....thanks |
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| 21:46.59 | peppe | bujin: are you installing on a pre-1996 pc? |
| 21:47.24 | limpio | bujin, i gave mine 75 MB |
| 21:47.44 | S4nD3r | I know that here is about debian... Id like to know what package to install to have sound themes playing in gnome!!! |
| 21:47.46 | bujin | no peppe |
| 21:47.56 | peppe | bujin: so you don't need a separate boot partition :) |
| 21:48.35 | odder | S4nD3r: there's #ubuntu as well here on Freenode |
| 21:48.38 | bujin | peppe Im encrypting my all partitions but the boot partition thats why im creating one boot partition |
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| 21:49.16 | peppe | bujin: ah ok, so make it large enough for a couple of kernels. 30-40Mb should be enough |
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| 21:49.24 | S4nD3r | ahahaha odder |
| 21:49.49 | bujin | ok thanks peppe |
| 21:50.54 | chops | bujin: I'd actually recommend larger (1 GB or so), just so you won't have to worry about it |
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| 21:51.20 | chops | bujin: But you should be able to get away with quite a small one if you have some reason to want one as small as possible |
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| 21:53.17 | bujin | ok thanks chops |
| 21:53.22 | chops | bujin: np |
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| 21:56.14 | ServerSide | can I get the src of a binary with objdump? |
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| 21:57.32 | wols_ | ServerSide: no |
| 21:57.45 | wols_ | there is no way you can get the original source from a binary usually |
| 21:57.52 | wols_ | too muhc information is thrown away |
| 21:58.16 | wols_ | you can reconstruct it manually with disassemblers and the like |
| 21:59.27 | ServerSide | mh. Ok. thanks. |
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| 22:02.28 | bujin | hi |
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| 22:03.25 | S4nD3r | so |
| 22:03.34 | S4nD3r | at ubuntu neither gnome, nobody answers me |
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| 22:03.55 | S4nD3r | Id like to know if theres sound theme to install in gnome. |
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| 22:04.46 | chops | S4nD3r: Google shows several results for "gnome sound theme" |
| 22:04.49 | bujin | whats the most secure encryption algorithm? |
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| 22:05.17 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 22:05.25 | wols_ | bujin: no one knows. possibly something like aes 256bit |
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| 22:05.27 | chops | bujin: In any security system that includes encryption that isn't a joke, the encryption will not be the weak link, and you're better off strengthening something else than fretting about the encryption. |
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| 22:05.45 | Zap-W | hello |
| 22:05.50 | S4nD3r | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-k7 root=/dev/hda1 reboot=b ro quiet splash vga=791 splash |
| 22:05.51 | reloop | the password for example :) |
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| 22:06.13 | S4nD3r | ITs impossible to get to use ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3/f4 terminals... |
| 22:06.17 | S4nD3r | how solve it !! |
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| 22:06.38 | bujin | ok |
| 22:06.45 | S4nD3r | Id like to reset grub to default, how to do ?? |
| 22:06.47 | stybba | hola alguno a administrado RAID 1 en debian???? |
| 22:06.50 | wols_ | S4nD3r: looks like ubuntu |
| 22:06.51 | chops | !es |
| 22:06.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:06.56 | itchi | Cool, fosdem tomorrow :-) |
| 22:07.02 | piju | !ms |
| 22:07.02 | dpkg | hmm... ms is MicroSoft (icky) (see also microsoft) or milliseconds, or multiple sclerosis. Montserrat |
| 22:07.05 | S4nD3r | really ?? wols_ |
| 22:07.14 | wols_ | yes really |
| 22:07.22 | stybba | sorry i miss the -es |
| 22:07.24 | wols_ | too much "quiet" and "splash" for debian |
| 22:07.28 | piju | !my |
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| 22:07.28 | dpkg | Look, it's not "my Windows", "my Debian", "my ncurses", or "my <whatever else>"; It's Windows, Debian, ncurses, and <whatever else>. The only time this doesn't apply is when you are maintaining your own source tree of whatever you're talking about, which you almost certainly aren't. |
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| 22:07.37 | S4nD3r | I wondered that was that line in grub menu.lst |
| 22:07.46 | itchi | There's one place left in the car, if there's someone from Antwerpen (Belgium) that want's to go to Fosdem tomorrow, give a sign |
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| 22:07.51 | S4nD3r | Id like to reset grub to default |
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| 22:08.19 | itchi | Between Antwerpen and Brussels, if you are on the way, it's ok |
| 22:08.21 | S4nD3r | is possible ?? |
| 22:08.23 | wols_ | uodateö-grub, dpkg-reconfigure grub, etc |
| 22:09.14 | S4nD3r | dpkg-reconfigure is not installed,,,, |
| 22:09.17 | itchi | I hope there's some new Debian T-shirts :-) |
| 22:09.28 | itchi | abrotman: Are you up? |
| 22:09.32 | odder | S4nD3r: try man dpkg, then |
| 22:09.55 | wols_ | S4nD3r: then you don't run debian |
| 22:09.55 | S4nD3r | this is ok |
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| 22:10.08 | S4nD3r | with grub to not works |
| 22:10.31 | itchi | tarzeau: Go you to the Fosdem this week-end? |
| 22:10.36 | S4nD3r | Im installing grub... lol |
| 22:10.44 | S4nD3r | I dont know ... its strang |
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| 22:11.22 | S4nD3r | dpkg-reconfigure grub do not answer nothing |
| 22:11.49 | abrotman | itchi: what's my timezone? |
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| 22:12.05 | itchi | abrotman: -9 ? |
| 22:12.11 | odder | S4nD3r: show us your uname -a -.- |
| 22:12.15 | mintee | ok, i donno where i went wrong, but i got apache13 installed via apt-get as well as php5. i've checked in modules.conf as well as httpd.conf and everything seem fine, but it's still not parsing the php |
| 22:12.16 | abrotman | itchi: uh no .. |
| 22:12.27 | S4nD3r | Linux matrix 2.6.22-3-k7 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 21:04:14 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:12.30 | abrotman | itchi: -5 .. anyways .. what's up ? |
| 22:12.44 | itchi | abrotman: Did you go previous year to the Fosdem? |
| 22:12.53 | itchi | abrotman: It's this week-end :-) |
| 22:12.56 | abrotman | itchi: nope .. never been to FOSDEM |
| 22:13.03 | itchi | arg :-( |
| 22:13.12 | abrotman | itchi: but there are DDs there |
| 22:13.29 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, sure, but i don't remember who :-p |
| 22:13.37 | abrotman | itchi: just go to the debian booth and see |
| 22:13.46 | itchi | abrotman: yup :-) |
| 22:14.02 | mintee | so... |
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| 22:14.12 | S4nD3r | odder: and ? |
| 22:14.19 | mintee | any halp on my LAMP install |
| 22:14.51 | abrotman | !ask |
| 22:14.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:14.54 | abrotman | oh .. ignore |
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| 22:15.07 | abrotman | mintee: did you install libapache-mod-php5 ? |
| 22:15.12 | mintee | yep |
| 22:15.19 | abrotman | mintee: and it prompts you to download the file ? |
| 22:15.23 | mintee | done |
| 22:15.26 | abrotman | mintee: and it prompts you to download the file ? |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | it's a yes/no question |
| 22:15.38 | mintee | done == yes |
| 22:15.50 | abrotman | mintee: clear your browser cache and restart it .. try again |
| 22:15.54 | mintee | nope |
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| 22:16.20 | mintee | i've installed lamp on slackware for about 5-6 years now.. |
| 22:16.26 | mintee | from src... |
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| 22:16.35 | mintee | i've never really dealt with debian and the packages... |
| 22:16.38 | fisxoj | does anyone know how good stock debian kernels are vs. tuxonice as far as reliability and speed for suspend and hibernate? |
| 22:16.44 | mintee | so as far as I can tell, everything should be setup fine. |
| 22:16.55 | mintee | abrotman, so it's not my browser cache. |
| 22:17.04 | abrotman | mintee: check the apache logs .. |
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| 22:17.45 | mintee | what logs? access logs just say what's been accessed and the error.log just tells me the errors, neither of them complain, or say anything about php |
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| 22:18.04 | abrotman | mintee: try another browser ? |
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| 22:18.13 | mintee | already done |
| 22:18.17 | mintee | hehe... |
| 22:18.30 | abrotman | mintee: checked the server line to see if it says the php5 module is loaded ? |
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| 22:19.30 | mintee | whoa! |
| 22:19.37 | mintee | just started working |
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| 22:22.49 | drwahl | how would i go about setting up an MOTD for an individual user? just stick it in their .bashrc? |
| 22:22.56 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. I've installed a fresh Debian 4.0 r3 on my laptop and then tried to dist-upgrade to Lenny. At the moment the proccess hung while trying to set up ssl-cert. No error logs, nothing. It just says "setting-up ssl-cert' and stays, although the system itself is still responsive to my actions |
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| 22:25.53 | simonrvn | SchwarzeKrause: probably just buggy postinst |
| 22:26.05 | ugly | what's the proper way of changing a Debian installation's default language settings? is it enough to set the LANG variable in /etc/environment or is there a "Debian Way"? |
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| 22:26.23 | ugly | I'm already using utf-8 |
| 22:26.37 | simonrvn | !locales |
| 22:26.38 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 22:26.44 | chops | ugly: I believe that setting LANG in /etc/environment is the "Debian way" |
| 22:26.57 | SchwarzeKrause | simonrvn: And what can I do? |
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| 22:27.44 | drwahl | how would i go about setting up an MOTD for an individual user? just stick it in their .bashrc? |
| 22:27.48 | gourmand | ugly: also, /etc/default/locale |
| 22:28.01 | ugly | thanks |
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| 22:31.47 | ugly | yeah, that dpkg-reconfigure worked well - everything is spanish now :D |
| 22:31.54 | ugly | Dios mío! |
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| 22:32.41 | ugly | figure that's the best way to learn the names for nerd stuff in other languages |
| 22:33.12 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 22:42.56 | S4nD3r | in /etc/lsb-release there is DISTRIB_ID=ProLinux DISTRIB_RELEASE=1.0 DISTRIB_RELEASE=1.0 DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="ProLinux" |
| 22:43.03 | S4nD3r | How to put lenny here !!! |
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| 22:43.31 | simonrvn | install debian |
| 22:43.51 | S4nD3r | how to do without format ? |
| 22:43.56 | odder | simonrvn: hah ;> |
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| 22:44.13 | odder | I've been confused when I saw that on priv, honestly... |
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| 22:44.27 | mintee | I'm back.... :D So, it seems mysqlclient from apt doesn't have the bin mysql_config? |
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| 22:45.12 | basri_potur | hi all |
| 22:45.28 | jim_p | hi |
| 22:45.34 | simonrvn | mintee: it's part of the -dev packages |
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| 22:45.59 | kakalto | if my filesystem fails the automatic check every 39 mounts, remounting / readonly, what do I do? |
| 22:46.01 | S4nD3r | I did apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday !!! But this Prolinux is here yet |
| 22:46.04 | kakalto | etch. |
| 22:46.09 | S4nD3r | how to do ? Just formating ? |
| 22:46.25 | odder | never heard of that distro, looks like they're here: http://www.fluxsoftwares.com/ and available only in Brazil |
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| 22:46.43 | S4nD3r | Yes, is this !!!! |
| 22:47.15 | simonrvn | kakalto: fsck it |
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| 22:47.23 | kakalto | just "fsck" ? |
| 22:47.36 | kakalto | simonrvn: ^ |
| 22:47.57 | simonrvn | i use the right tool specific to the fs type, but you can run that |
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| 22:48.49 | S4nD3r | How to get rid off this prolinux, and have lenny without need to format.??? I changed source.list to sources of lenny, and runned apt-get dist-upgrade.... but this prolinux is here yet |
| 22:49.56 | rox | S4nD3r: depends on what you count as prolinux |
| 22:50.16 | S4nD3r | is a king of debian |
| 22:50.19 | S4nD3r | its based on etch |
| 22:50.41 | rox | S4nD3r: ok, but you have to realize, that not all the packages got upgraded, just the newer ones did |
| 22:50.45 | basri_potur | which port is the using by the vnc server ? |
| 22:51.18 | rox | S4nD3r: i do not know prolinux, but derived distributions usually have some distribution specific packages which will not get upgraded |
| 22:51.49 | rox | S4nD3r: plus package upgrades in debian preserve your configuration, meaning you still got all of the prolinux configuration |
| 22:51.52 | wols_ | S4nD3r: the only way is to reformat to get properly rid of it |
| 22:51.58 | S4nD3r | Im using this mirror deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main non-free contrib |
| 22:52.13 | rox | S4nD3r: why do you need to change your OS without format? |
| 22:52.15 | S4nD3r | And I did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:52.31 | rox | S4nD3r: have you been reading what i was telling you? |
| 22:52.36 | simonrvn | S4nD3r: yes. just because sources.list has debian doesn't mean it is |
| 22:53.04 | S4nD3r | I read |
| 22:53.21 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 22:53.25 | rox | S4nD3r: upgrade will 1. not upgrade all of your packages, 2. it will not upgrade distributiion specific packages and 3. it will preserve configuration |
| 22:53.30 | susanne-- | bah, where did all my drives go! oh, ssh'd into the wrong machine. hate it when i do that. |
| 22:53.32 | S4nD3r | which CD to download ?? |
| 22:53.47 | S4nD3r | I just need gnome as WM |
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| 22:54.28 | simonrvn | !cds |
| 22:54.34 | odder | rox: looks like he's not realizing the system he's using it's not Debian |
| 22:54.41 | odder | is not* |
| 22:54.55 | rox | odder: that is what i have been telling him |
| 22:55.08 | S4nD3r | I understood |
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| 22:55.42 | simonrvn | he understands, he wants to install debian without reformatting his drive |
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| 22:55.58 | simonrvn | debian won't touch /home if that's what you're asking |
| 22:57.48 | susanne-- | is sifting through dmesg my best bet on figuring out what drivers to enable for a custom kernel on a mac mini? |
| 22:58.24 | simonrvn | also lspci |
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| 22:58.40 | susanne-- | ah great ty |
| 22:59.10 | jelly-home | susanne--: or lsmod |
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| 23:01.30 | heatman | Hello. Iam having difficulties with apache2.2. I keep getting the folloing errors: 1) apache2 could not reliably determine the server's full qualified domain name using, 127.0.0.1 // 2) httpd (no pid file) not running // 3) Using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName: failed! Anyone can help me with that? |
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| 23:02.02 | simonrvn | fix your dns |
| 23:02.02 | blazer11 | follwoing guide to update kernel source using update-initrdramfs -c -k <your-new-kernel> is this a valid command i cant seem to find it? |
| 23:02.31 | simonrvn | initramfs, it's a typo |
| 23:02.49 | blubbi | hi all, just installed debian from the netinstall-cd, now I want to remove the CD database, so apt-get does not complain about the missing cd, how can I do that? |
| 23:03.23 | simonrvn | comment it out or remove it from sources.list |
| 23:03.24 | gourmand | blubbi: comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 23:03.28 | heatman | blubbi: modify /etc/apt/sources.list. put a # in front of the CD |
| 23:03.30 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 23:03.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 23:03.34 | blubbi | gourmand: fund it right now |
| 23:03.35 | blubbi | ;-) |
| 23:03.38 | blubbi | thx anyway |
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| 23:04.20 | blazer11 | simonrvn thanks it worked :) |
| 23:04.35 | blubbi | are there any 3. party reps with vmware-tools in it? |
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| 23:05.41 | simonrvn | vmware site might. ask in #vmware |
| 23:05.48 | blubbi | k thx |
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| 23:07.28 | CSlime | well, i am no longer a k9 virgin per se, i had my very first penetration last night with a black lab, he wasn't as big as i expected and he didn't want to hump me but he was really excited and licked me after he came inside of me:), we ended up having to dilldog with him because he was very excited, he just didn't know what to do with it once it was hard-poor thing lol...i am definitly happy with my experience and i can |
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| 23:07.52 | wols_ | ops CSlime can the 2nd time in a few hours |
| 23:07.58 | wols_ | !ops CSlime can the 2nd time in a few hours |
| 23:07.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: CSlime can the 2nd time in a few hours |
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| 23:09.10 | wols_ | !ops the hostmasks were CSlime [i=c9a0a5bd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9c6c3973cf9002bd] Braunmann [i=c9a0a5bd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-27c169f7478917f3 |
| 23:09.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: the hostmasks were CSlime [i=c9a0a5bd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9c6c3973cf9002bd] Braunmann [i=c9a0a5bd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-27c169f7478917f3 |
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| 23:09.38 | tomaw | wols_: better? :) |
| 23:09.46 | wols_ | much! thank you |
| 23:10.14 | wols_ | now of course he will simply change his hostmask... :) |
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| 23:10.55 | mvfeinstein | is there something like authconfig-tui for debian? |
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| 23:11.07 | tomaw | wols_: it's a hash of his IP address, so hopefully not |
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| 23:14.21 | basri_potur | simonrvn: thanx |
| 23:14.21 | cloakable | o.o |
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| 23:21.48 | ushdfgakk | hi |
| 23:21.58 | ushdfgakk | i spent all day scavenging computers from my uni's basements |
| 23:22.01 | ushdfgakk | and now on this one |
| 23:22.05 | ushdfgakk | mid debian install |
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| 23:22.10 | ushdfgakk | it hangs on "detecting network hardware" |
| 23:22.11 | ushdfgakk | any ideas? |
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| 23:22.38 | susanne-- | !tell ushdfgakk about enter |
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| 23:22.52 | susanne-- | looks like it can't figure out what kind of nic you have. |
| 23:22.52 | ushdfgakk | i pressed enter |
| 23:22.59 | wols_ | ýes. too much |
| 23:23.02 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 23:23.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of three-legged platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:23.08 | susanne-- | yeah you didn't read what dpkg told you. |
| 23:23.15 | ushdfgakk | yeah i read what dpkg told me |
| 23:23.16 | wols_ | ushdfgakk: what network card? |
| 23:23.32 | ushdfgakk | haven't the slightest, lemme check |
| 23:24.21 | ushdfgakk | can't tell without ripping it out |
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| 23:24.30 | ushdfgakk | as far as i can tell, it's the one that came with the computer...so... |
| 23:24.37 | wols_ | !what's my hardware |
| 23:24.38 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 23:24.49 | k-os | where can i download an ISO that will only give me the basic installation, no x or desktop? |
| 23:24.50 | ushdfgakk | you people are so rude |
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| 23:24.58 | ushdfgakk | the comptuer's already open |
| 23:25.02 | wols_ | !tell k-os about netinstall |
| 23:25.03 | susanne-- | so then you'll need to stop pressing enter instead of using real punctuation and find out before we can help you much more. |
| 23:25.04 | ushdfgakk | can't make out any text |
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| 23:25.33 | k-os | wols_: yeah, i thought of that, but i thought there was a full iso for only the base? |
| 23:25.40 | wols_ | ushdfgakk: and you are sto stupid. I think we're even |
| 23:25.56 | susanne-- | What you're telling us is, doctor, doctor, it hurts when I go like THAT. So, don't go like that. You're not giving us any useful diagnostic information, and so we fall back onto our stock FAQ answers. |
| 23:25.57 | wols_ | k-os: that IS the ISo for only the base |
| 23:26.22 | k-os | wols_ : ok, thank you very much :) always a pleasure to ask things in here! |
| 23:26.29 | ushdfgakk | i'm so stupid? for what, what makes me stupid? an unwillingness to use punctuation in online chat |
| 23:26.38 | ushdfgakk | prescriptive grammar is _bullshit_ |
| 23:26.38 | susanne-- | Yes, that's a start. |
| 23:26.52 | ushdfgakk | language evolves constantly |
| 23:26.56 | wols_ | the unwillingness to provide answers to questions so your questions can problems can actually be solved |
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| 23:27.17 | ushdfgakk | i'm looking up the specs |
| 23:27.21 | wols_ | and either you follow the rules here o you won't get help. that's the end of it |
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| 23:27.50 | grendal_prime | hey where is the snmpconf perl script? |
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| 23:28.06 | grendal_prime | i thought it was part of the snmpd pkg but i dont see it anywhere. |
| 23:28.16 | ushdfgakk | where in the MOTD does it say 'use good grammar" |
| 23:28.27 | wols_ | !tell grendal_prime about search |
| 23:28.28 | ushdfgakk | i mean, for god's sake |
| 23:28.29 | ushdfgakk | who cares |
| 23:28.41 | wols_ | enter misuse is not bad grammar |
| 23:28.42 | seth1248 | I just did a new install via netinstall. I had no problems except I cannot seem to configure the graphics. How can I use the network while in "single user" mode? |
| 23:28.49 | susanne-- | The people you're asking for help care. Now go away. |
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| 23:29.04 | wols_ | it's simply stupid spam. now answer our questions and don't write until you can. and stop the whining please |
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| 23:29.55 | wols_ | seth1248: why would you be in single user mode for using the network or configuring X? |
| 23:30.07 | simonrvn | ushdfgakk: excusing your misuse of the enter key with the evolution of languages is BS |
| 23:30.27 | wols_ | seth1248: wat videocard? |
| 23:30.32 | ushdfgakk | my misuse of the enter key? using it to separate clauses is not misuse |
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| 23:30.44 | simonrvn | hey |
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| 23:30.47 | simonrvn | this is |
| 23:30.50 | simonrvn | a clause |
| 23:31.00 | ushdfgakk | i know what a clause is |
| 23:31.02 | simonrvn | see? i can do it too |
| 23:31.05 | seth1248 | wols: because if I try booting normal It goes to a grey screen and crashes. |
| 23:31.08 | susanne-- | use a comma for that. return to second grade english. do not pass go. do not get the root password. |
| 23:31.14 | simonrvn | and you weren't doing that |
| 23:31.17 | ushdfgakk | i'm not a troll, i have some dignity |
| 23:31.17 | wols_ | seth1248: don't load a DM then |
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| 23:31.44 | ushdfgakk | there's a crucial difference |
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| 23:31.51 | susanne-- | yeah. you're too stupid to see it. |
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| 23:32.10 | ushdfgakk | good one |
| 23:32.17 | wols_ | susanne--: there are many many people hzere who don't speak english as a first language often their grammar is atrocious: just look at mine. but: as long as we can understand what they want it's all fine |
| 23:32.22 | ushdfgakk | who died and made you op |
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| 23:32.24 | wols_ | so please ignore grammar if possible |
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| 23:32.33 | wols_ | and ignoring a missing comma IS possible |
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| 23:32.47 | wols_ | susanne--: and stop feeding him |
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| 23:32.50 | susanne-- | wols_: I was suggesting he uses commas instead of the enter key. :-) |
| 23:32.54 | seth1248 | wols: It has an nvidia graphics card. |
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| 23:33.00 | simonrvn | complete setence, grammar or not, is a lot easier to read in a busy channel |
| 23:33.01 | wols_ | seth1248: which one? |
| 23:33.09 | ushdfgakk | suggesting? |
| 23:33.13 | simonrvn | (mind my typos) |
| 23:33.20 | wols_ | simonrvn: it is. but as long as you can understand what the asker wants it's all good |
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| 23:33.47 | wols_ | simonrvn: we aren't english majors here writing the great american novel :P |
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| 23:34.03 | simonrvn | no =) |
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| 23:34.04 | susanne-- | wols: speak for yourself. (scratch scratch) |
| 23:34.13 | ushdfgakk | someone here somehow screwed in the network card behind some huge goddamn metal bar |
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| 23:34.26 | wols_ | susanne--: then you are in the wrong channel |
| 23:34.39 | k-os | is there much difference if i put "testing" or "unstable" in my sources, ir it it the same pretty much? |
| 23:34.53 | wols_ | there is a lot of difference. things break there. often |
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| 23:35.06 | wols_ | you can keep the pieces and solve it on your own then however |
| 23:35.07 | SchwarzeKrause | I try to run aptitude safe-upgrade and it says that 'this version of aptitude doesn't have super cow powers'. What does it mean? |
| 23:35.10 | k-os | the difference between testing and stable is big? |
| 23:35.22 | Gun_Smoke | No seeds on DVD disk 3?? |
| 23:35.29 | seth1248 | wols: lspci gives me: nvidia corporation C51 pci express |
| 23:35.34 | wols_ | SchwarzeKrause: it means you don't read the aptitude docs. there is no "safe-upgrade BS |
| 23:35.36 | ushdfgakk | i want super cow powers |
| 23:35.59 | wols_ | seth1248: that is no video card but your mobo chipset |
| 23:36.21 | wols_ | !tell k-os about testing faq |
| 23:36.25 | ushdfgakk | god these 1998 computers are weirder than i remember |
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| 23:36.45 | wols_ | but nv and nvida should both work |
| 23:37.05 | wols_ | seth1248: and vesa definitely works |
| 23:37.25 | ushdfgakk | wtf |
| 23:37.25 | mvfeinstein | Is there any app that would let me connect to apple remote desktop? |
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| 23:37.55 | wols_ | mvfeinstein: on which port does it listen? |
| 23:38.09 | petur | exit |
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| 23:38.39 | Gun_Smoke | Anyone care to seed dvd disk 3 please? |
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| 23:38.44 | ushdfgakk | ok, my network card is a 3com 10/100 managed NIC (3c905cx-tx-m) |
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| 23:38.55 | ushdfgakk | now why's my debian install hang |
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| 23:39.34 | wols_ | Gun_Smoke: why can't you download it over ftp |
| 23:39.57 | wols_ | Gun_Smoke: any why downlaod it in the first place fully? |
| 23:40.15 | seth1248 | wols: xorg seems to detect: Geforce 6150 Go |
| 23:40.16 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Q: Which small installation image of Debian shold I use to install Debian as a virtual machine on a core-uo laptop? Thanks |
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| 23:40.36 | wols_ | !tell K_Dallas about netinst |
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| 23:40.46 | ushdfgakk | is core-uo anything like the marine corps |
| 23:40.59 | K_Dallas | thanks wols but shold i still use the i386 one? |
| 23:41.06 | wols_ | K_Dallas: yes |
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| 23:41.29 | K_Dallas | wols_, thanks. i have used netinstal but many years ago. |
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| 23:41.49 | nollidj | hi. i'm in an amd64 environment and looking to get a working java applet browser plugin. blackdown looks dead, and the sun java packages haven't got a browser plugin. how screwed am i, and what do i need to do to get a working plugin? |
| 23:41.53 | Gun_Smoke | wols_: I am now.. I was hoping to catch a torrent for no other reason because I hoped it would be there.. I will seed it to 1.0.. And I'm guessing that will take forever.. |
| 23:42.07 | wols_ | !tell nollidj about nspluginwrapper |
| 23:42.10 | Gun_Smoke | wols_: I am grabbing all of them for a friend on dialup. |
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| 23:42.21 | nollidj | wols_: if that's the suggested solution, then ok |
| 23:43.01 | wols_ | nollidj: 4 choices: no java plugin, browser in a 32bit chroot, nspluginwrapper with sun java, or gcjwebplugin |
| 23:43.11 | wols_ | none is actually "suggested" |
| 23:43.14 | nollidj | yeh, ok |
| 23:43.19 | wols_ | all depends on what your wants and needs are |
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| 23:43.40 | ushdfgakk | nollidj: nsplugginwrapper is the bitchiest to install |
| 23:45.08 | enouf | i wonder how to link one factoid to another, so say nspluginw -> nspluginwrapper (or even nspw ->) |
| 23:45.16 | nollidj | wols_: where should i get the 32-bit plugin, though? it doesn't look like the sun java6 jdk or jre that i have installed through apt provided any .so files |
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| 23:45.36 | wols_ | nollidj: you'd use a 32bit java |
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| 23:45.52 | enouf | nollidj: which release? etch? |
| 23:46.09 | nollidj | i'm in lenny |
| 23:46.21 | ushdfgakk | my debian installer's caught in an infinite loop... |
| 23:46.29 | enouf | ok (not that i know anything about this java crap) |
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| 23:49.30 | enouf | mvfeinstein: doesn't the netatalk pkg do/allow for that? |
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| 23:49.42 | Nostahl | how do i change with sound device debian uses it is defaulting my onboard atm |
| 23:49.54 | seth1248 | wols: I tried with vesa but I got the same grey screen and crash. |
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| 23:50.28 | enouf | Nostahl: maybe man asoundrc.conf |
| 23:50.31 | wols_ | seth1248: check your Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:51.21 | enouf | Nostahl: sorry, i mean man asoundconf, but perhaps you can select which in just alsaconf |
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| 23:52.16 | akuwamari | Hi |
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| 23:53.04 | akuwamari | i installed ubuntustudio-feisty-art, then i choose one theme, but now all is a little slow, i dpkg -r but when i want to choose the old theme, is not there |
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| 23:53.56 | ustunozgur | ushdfgakk: did you try switching to other ttys with alt-f1 alt-f2 |
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| 23:54.07 | ustunozgur | maybe there is some info there |
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| 23:54.22 | ushdfgakk | ok my problem seems to be that my computer isn't assigned an IP |
| 23:54.28 | ushdfgakk | because my stupid resnet wants me to register first |
| 23:54.34 | ushdfgakk | and registration depends on mac addresses |
| 23:54.44 | ushdfgakk | any ideas as to how i can do a netinst here, or am i screwed |
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| 23:55.02 | cusco | ushdfgakk: what is resnet? |
| 23:55.19 | ushdfgakk | university network, basically, a load of shit |
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| 23:55.34 | cusco | don't they use dhcp? |
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| 23:55.41 | ustunozgur | ushdfgakk: then skip the network install |
| 23:55.41 | ushdfgakk | don't believe so |
| 23:55.54 | cusco | can't you set a static network ip? |
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| 23:55.58 | dondelelcaro | ushdfgakk: if you've got the full first cd, you can do an install without a mirror, and then register |
| 23:56.00 | ustunozgur | you may do the other package installation when you have connections later on |
| 23:56.03 | cusco | getting teh netmask and gateway values correct... |
| 23:56.14 | dondelelcaro | cusco: no, it's something that a lot of uncontrolled networks require |
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| 23:56.22 | cusco | hm.. |
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| 23:56.53 | dondelelcaro | ushdfgakk: I think you can even do the very base install without a mirror with the netinst image as well. |
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| 23:57.18 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: you can |
| 23:57.31 | seth1248 | wols: I cannot find Xorg.0.log |
| 23:57.35 | cusco | how do you register then? with the base install? |
| 23:57.37 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it's been so long since I've installed without a full mirror. |
| 23:57.38 | wols_ | seth1248: /var/log |
| 23:57.43 | dondelelcaro | cusco: run links or lynx or GET or similar. |
| 23:58.14 | cusco | isn't lynx available on the netinstall (while installing) |
| 23:58.31 | ustunozgur | how does one make sure if a mirror is healthy? up2date |
| 23:58.36 | wols_ | cusco: utÄs not. wget is tho |
| 23:58.43 | dondelelcaro | cusco: I don't remember it being there, though there may be a udeb for it. |
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| 23:59.08 | enouf | curl? w3m? |
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