| 00:01.00 | enouf | heh, i recall someone showing us how to use bash as a browser O_o .. i forget precise entries though, but the GET and stuff was part of it ;-) |
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| 00:02.01 | dondelelcaro | enouf: actually, it would have probably been using something like /dev/tcp/foo.com |
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| 00:03.25 | enouf | i thought it was more like HTTP/1.1\n ; GET:\n ; Content-Type:blah\n etc |
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| 00:03.56 | enouf | i now that's way way off, but you get the idea |
| 00:04.20 | dondelelcaro | enouf: oh, it probably was using GET manually; I meant /usr/bin/GET the command |
| 00:04.38 | dondelelcaro | (which is lwp-request) |
| 00:04.48 | enouf | ahh, you know much much more about it than i old chap ;-) |
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| 00:05.10 | dondelelcaro | using GET in a shell script is kind of silly, 'cause you might as well just write it all in perl then. ;-) |
| 00:05.19 | enouf | hehe |
| 00:05.51 | dondelelcaro | though I think I do have a bunch of shell scripts that do... |
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| 00:05.54 | cosmodad | can anyone with some package-building expertise explain to me why pdebuild wants to satisfy the build-deps in the host system, instead of doing so in the chroot like pbuilder would do? |
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| 00:06.20 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: it sees if they're satisfied first because it has to run the clean target, but will continue even if they're not. |
| 00:06.46 | seth1248 | wols: I get nothing like that under /var/log . Something must not be installed properly. |
| 00:06.47 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: didn't happen here. |
| 00:06.54 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: show the full output, then |
| 00:07.04 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: hold on. |
| 00:07.05 | wols_ | astro76: dpkg -l |grep xserver |
| 00:07.15 | enouf | there was a long curl command that was part of one of the "pastewithoutx" factoids some time ago, replaced with the "pastebin pipe" one now, i guess |
| 00:07.18 | drwahl | how would i go about setting up an MOTD for an individual user? just stick it in their .bashrc? |
| 00:07.22 | enouf | which is a perl script ;-) |
| 00:07.24 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: I'd almost bet without seeing the output that you're missing cdbs, dpatch, or similar. |
| 00:07.49 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: in the chroot or host system you mean? |
| 00:08.11 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: the host system. But show me the output; I'll know for certian once I see it. |
| 00:08.23 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: sure, one sec. |
| 00:08.35 | dondelelcaro | drwahl: that's not a true MOTD, but that would work. |
| 00:08.55 | enouf | drwahl: look at /etc/default/rcS too? |
| 00:09.10 | drwahl | ah, ok. i will check. thanks |
| 00:09.27 | dondelelcaro | drwahl: however, you should be putting it in .bash_login or .bash_profile, not .bashrc (or if you're like me, and you use them all, check for PS1) |
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| 00:11.21 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: sorry I'm not familar with paster. I pasted the output, where did it go? |
| 00:11.33 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: just give me the url of wherever you put it |
| 00:12.06 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: my fault, hit upload instead of send. Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/49750 |
| 00:12.31 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: you don't have quilt installed |
| 00:12.43 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: but that's one of the build-deps. |
| 00:12.59 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: yes, but it's one of the build-deps that is required to run the clean target, which is what is failing. |
| 00:13.51 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: why can't pbuilder clean the sources within the chroot? |
| 00:14.15 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: because it has to run the clean target *before* it builds the source package |
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| 00:15.15 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: pdebuild is just a wrapper around pbuilder which runs fakeroot debian/rules clean; dpkg-source -b; and then calls pbuilder --build foo.dsc; |
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| 00:16.00 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: I understand that, but wonder why it's not feasible to integrate the clean procedure into the chroot'ed environment that pbuilder uses. Suppose there are programmatical reasons. |
| 00:16.42 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: because it would have to bind mount that directory, which is undesirable |
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| 00:17.09 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: one of the reasons to build in chroots is because it avoids having the compile stomp all over your filesystem |
| 00:17.29 | enouf | do i understand correctly? the target == host in this situation? |
| 00:17.40 | enouf | if not, just say no and ignore me |
| 00:18.09 | dondelelcaro | enouf: nah, it means a Makefile rule |
| 00:18.10 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 00:18.16 | dondelelcaro | enouf: they're sometimes called "targets" too |
| 00:18.25 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 00:18.28 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: thanks for helping out. |
| 00:18.31 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: np |
| 00:19.00 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: most packages that don't need patch systems or use cdbs don't require anything to run their clean target, so normally it's no big deal |
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| 00:19.09 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: that's probably why you haven't run into this before |
| 00:19.34 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: yeah apart from quilt, my system is pretty much package-building ready. |
| 00:19.46 | nollidj | wols_: did you suggest nspluginwrapper for use with 32-bit java plugins because you have know it to work with them? running nspluginwrapper on both the java5 and java6 plugins doesn't work, and the java plugin isn't listed on the nspluginwrapper site as one that is known to work |
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| 00:20.42 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: yeah, quilt is just one of those things like cdbs that people use; actually having the package installed on your normal system is useful too, because it has tools to deal with the patches in the quilt |
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| 00:21.53 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: good to know I can keep the package installed. |
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| 00:22.42 | akuwamari | i am happy to anounce the next radio program about free software and linux |
| 00:23.13 | Firefishe | akuwamari: time/url? |
| 00:23.31 | akuwamari | will be in spanish |
| 00:23.33 | akuwamari | Venezuela |
| 00:23.39 | akuwamari | :S |
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| 00:23.54 | akuwamari | but i think, this will be good for the movement |
| 00:24.15 | akuwamari | waiting for support, ideas, etc |
| 00:24.43 | akuwamari | for background music i choose Sebastien Leger |
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| 00:25.07 | minus198_ | Ehm.. Hi. Someone pulled a thread on 4chan with a link to my server and of course it went down. So I turned it off for a couple of minutes and when I started apache again, I cant connect to it from the outsid. |
| 00:25.11 | minus198_ | outside.. |
| 00:25.12 | Firefishe | ah, well I can't speak spanish, so I guess I'll have to pass. oh well, anything in any language about free/open source software is good, imho. |
| 00:25.19 | minus198_ | Does anyone have a clue whats wrong? |
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| 00:25.33 | minus198_ | or why don't you try: http://niobium.se |
| 00:26.24 | dondelelcaro | minus198_: uh... it can be accessed just fine |
| 00:27.07 | minus198_ | dondelelcaro, A passwordpromt I hope |
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| 00:27.23 | dondelelcaro | minus198_: yes |
| 00:27.26 | minus198_ | dondelelcaro, I guess there is something wrong with my routerconfigurations then.. Thanks for the info :) |
| 00:28.07 | benjamindees | are there any programs for sniffing (recording) VoIP phone calls in Debian? |
| 00:28.24 | karsten | " |
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| 00:30.44 | akuwamari | is there any free server to upload the radio program stream? |
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| 00:31.42 | benjamindees | hmm, vomit looks promising |
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| 00:33.03 | cusco | akuwamari: lice icecast? |
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| 00:34.46 | jorb | hey. can i have du follow symlinks? |
| 00:35.26 | minus198_ | dondelelcaro, Ah.. I had "filter internet NAT redirection" on |
| 00:35.34 | benjamindees | jorb, symlinks to other mounts? |
| 00:35.54 | jorb | yes benjamindees |
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| 00:36.04 | mosty | i have a machine that runs a little web application that is only accessible on the machine itself, how can i have the webapp open up nautilus so that it shows a particular directory? |
| 00:36.18 | heatman | Hello. Iam having difficulties with apache2.2. I keep getting the folloing errors: 1) apache2 could not reliably determine the server's full qualified domain name using, 127.0.0.1 // 2) httpd (no pid file) not running // 3) Using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName: failed! Anyone can help me with that? |
| 00:37.04 | mosty | i'm trying to use sudo to get apache to exec nautilus as the user that is running X, but i can't get it to not ask for a password. i'm wondering if there's a simpler way |
| 00:37.22 | mosty | heatman, 1 is just a warning that you can ignore |
| 00:37.24 | K_Dallas | Hi again! I am about to use netinst to install Debian as a virtual machine on an XP box which is already connected to the house wireless network. Would the installation see this connection or there would be a few steps beforehand which I have to perform? Thanks |
| 00:37.55 | mosty | K_Dallas, depends on the virtual machine |
| 00:38.05 | K_Dallas | mosty: using virtualbox |
| 00:38.24 | heatman | mostly: have any ideas for the rest? |
| 00:38.29 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: don't be suprised if your wireless nic can't spoof mac addresses, and thus not bridge the guest onto your network. |
| 00:38.31 | K_Dallas | mosty, ubuntu had no problem even though it was a much more complete installation |
| 00:38.36 | jorb | ? no |
| 00:38.40 | soblue | Is there a way to log the init.d startup / shutdown activity? I'm having a problem with LVM not being able to shut down a volume group when I shut down, and it never runs fsck on startup either. I want to get the exact error message so I can Google it. |
| 00:38.53 | mosty | heatman, when do you get the other two messages? |
| 00:38.56 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: it should work just as good or better than. |
| 00:38.59 | K_Dallas | Supaplex, ok i give it a try and if it didnt work, i get the CD version of debian |
| 00:39.09 | K_Dallas | Supaplex, good. thank you |
| 00:39.14 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: if bridgeing doesn't work, use nat |
| 00:39.20 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 00:39.25 | benjamindees | jorb, du -L ?? in the manpage... |
| 00:39.27 | heatman | mosty: when i try to start apache2 using /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 00:39.58 | mosty | heatman, is apache2 already stopped when you try to restart? that would give message #2 |
| 00:40.02 | heatman | mosty: also when using nmap 127.0.0.1 http does not appear |
| 00:40.11 | benjamindees | mosty, I don't suppose a file:// url would work? |
| 00:40.13 | jorb | oh, I had "No manual entry for du" |
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| 00:40.23 | jorb | cheers benjamindees |
| 00:40.36 | heatman | mosty: ok well i get the same message if i use apache2 -k start |
| 00:40.41 | mosty | benjamindees, hmm, perhaps if i can associate file:// url's with nautilus |
| 00:40.51 | Supaplex | heatman: what's in the apache error log? |
| 00:40.58 | mosty | heatman, what do you see when you do /etc/init.d/apache2 start ? |
| 00:41.07 | heatman | mosty: same |
| 00:41.07 | mosty | and what turns up in the error log when you do that? |
| 00:41.11 | enouf | soblue: "/msg dpkg bootlog" , but you likely need a serial console for what you want |
| 00:41.22 | heatman | supaplex: where would that log be contained? |
| 00:41.53 | soblue | enouf: okay, thanks. I'll msg and google serial console |
| 00:42.06 | enouf | soblue: tldp.org serial console howto |
| 00:42.34 | soblue | enouf: thanks again :) |
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| 00:43.14 | DawnLight | hello. how do i convert mp3 to something free? this is a speech recording |
| 00:44.00 | heatman | mosty: where is the error log located? |
| 00:44.18 | mosty | heatman, /var/log/apache2/ |
| 00:44.30 | heatman | mosty: just tried to start using the vary same command that u used and i only get the 3 error |
| 00:44.31 | DawnLight | sed s/mp3/something\ free/ doesn't seem to do it :P |
| 00:44.55 | mosty | heatman, is your lo interface up? |
| 00:45.21 | heatman | mosty: yes... its on this very same box that im on atm |
| 00:45.57 | heatman | mosty: there is nothing in the log file |
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| 00:47.45 | heatman | mosty: any more ideas? |
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| 00:49.04 | benjamindees | DawnLight, I like the idea of transcode so I recommend it, though there are probably a lot of other converters that are easier to use. You can convert to .wav or flac or anything really. |
| 00:49.17 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: dir2ogg may do it. |
| 00:49.41 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: or oggconvert; apt-cache search mp3 ogg convert; should give you the full list |
| 00:49.57 | Nyle | mp3 to ogg? |
| 00:49.58 | DawnLight | great |
| 00:50.04 | Nyle | why? |
| 00:50.13 | Nyle | isn't that gonna fuck up the sound? |
| 00:50.21 | mosty | heatman, there must be _something_ in the log files |
| 00:50.34 | Supaplex | heatman: is this a stock install? |
| 00:50.37 | benjamindees | Nyle, I would think a lossless codec would be better, especially for speech |
| 00:50.38 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: depends |
| 00:50.47 | heatman | mosty: check in apache and apache2 and there is nothing |
| 00:50.59 | heatman | supaplex: this was installed using apt-get |
| 00:51.02 | soblue | enouf: by the way, I do have an inkling about what the LVM problem might be. When I installed Debian, I set up the relatively small swap and /home partitions first, then the root partition with the remaining disk space. did I need to do the "/" partition first? |
| 00:51.03 | mosty | benjamindees, or a lossy speech codec |
| 00:51.06 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: speech is actually one of the things that can be compressed amazingly and still be inteligible |
| 00:51.34 | DawnLight | Nyle: speech |
| 00:51.36 | Supaplex | heatman: what release of debian is it? |
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| 00:51.48 | Nyle | well then it doesn't matter, have at it ;) |
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| 00:52.09 | heatman | supaplex: im using etch... r02 i think it is |
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| 00:52.43 | heatman | supaplex: i would i tell what r im using? |
| 00:53.15 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, you'd be suprised |
| 00:53.18 | Supaplex | it's all etch to me. |
| 00:53.29 | heatman | lol ok then etch! |
| 00:53.31 | benjamindees | s/suprised/surprised/ |
| 00:53.35 | Nyle | hehe what r hes usin |
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| 00:54.06 | heatman | nyle: lol dunno if it makes a diff! |
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| 00:56.00 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: at what, how much it can be compressed? |
| 00:56.42 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, at how crappy you can make poorly-recorded speech sound with a codec designed for music |
| 00:58.00 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: depends on the codec |
| 00:58.32 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, true |
| 00:58.54 | benjamindees | and nothing is probably worse than mp3 :) |
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| 00:59.05 | dondelelcaro | oh, there are far worse codecs |
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| 01:00.43 | heatman | bah finally got an error |
| 01:00.49 | heatman | mostly |
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| 01:01.45 | Miesco | How do I find out which device in /dev/ is my CD writable drive? |
| 01:01.58 | mosty | Miesco, dmesg | less |
| 01:02.29 | benjamindees | Miesco, dmesg|grep -i ' CD' |
| 01:02.50 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 01:05.41 | heatman | mosty: http://pastebin.com/m2f5b9288 thoses are the 2 errors i get... afk 2 mins |
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| 01:06.29 | mosty | i suspect that you are not giving us all the relevant logs |
| 01:07.05 | benjamindees | it looks like there are a couple of promising VoIP sniffing programs, voipong and vomit; any reason they are not in Debian? |
| 01:07.42 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: you haven't packaged them and gotten someone to upload them? ;-) |
| 01:07.56 | Hoxzer_ | Why would you like to voip sniff ? |
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| 01:08.39 | benjamindees | I just realized it would be a good feature to be able to record VoIP phone calls. |
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| 01:09.10 | benjamindees | just add an ethernet card and plug in your phone :) |
| 01:09.52 | mosty | benjamindees, i think wireshark can save some RTP streams |
| 01:10.55 | benjamindees | I'm assuming that sniffing is easy; decoding is the hard part |
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| 01:11.36 | K_Dallas | Q: Since the last time i installed debian from netinstal was a long time ago, i am wondering what it would install if i check 'desktop environment'? Would that be the minimal graphical desktop or it would be better if i selected my own packages? Thanks |
| 01:11.55 | mosty | benjamindees, it would be simpler to use asterisk as your sip client, and record the call in asterisk |
| 01:12.09 | benjamindees | mosty, not with a Cisco phone... |
| 01:12.21 | petemc | why not? |
| 01:12.24 | mosty | benjamindees, using SIP? |
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| 01:12.38 | benjamindees | they require special firmware to support SIP |
| 01:13.02 | mosty | of course, but are you using the cisco sip firmware? |
| 01:13.42 | benjamindees | no, and I'm not sure that other cisco hardware supports SIP at all |
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| 01:14.10 | mosty | i have used the sip firmware on a few different cisco phones |
| 01:14.11 | benjamindees | (the gateways or whatever they're called in Ciscospeak) |
| 01:14.16 | paul____ | hello, im interested in setting up openvpn where each client is issued a different external ip address off the server |
| 01:14.29 | paul____ | is the only way to do this to run multiple openvpn instances? |
| 01:14.41 | mosty | benjamindees, if your entire system is cisco proprietary crap, you're probably better off using a cisco proprietary solution |
| 01:15.03 | benjamindees | mosty, why :-/ |
| 01:15.25 | mosty | because cisco's protocols are only well supported by cisco |
| 01:15.40 | mosty | and if you can afford a cisco system, you can afford cisco support |
| 01:16.34 | benjamindees | nobody can really *afford* cisco support... |
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| 01:16.53 | mosty | if sccp/skinny or whatever their protocol is called uses RTP for the audio data, you should be able to sniff that easily, and extracting the audio is not difficult |
| 01:17.24 | heatman | mosty: what other log u want? |
| 01:17.48 | dob1 | hi, i have a strange problem, i have a pc connected to a gat, on a pc with i turn off the gateway ( i mean i shutdown the pc ) i can't do |
| 01:17.51 | dob1 | ops |
| 01:17.56 | dob1 | i rewrite |
| 01:17.56 | mosty | benjamindees, ask your callmanager admin if callmanager can do it for you, chances are you don't have to mess around |
| 01:18.36 | dob1 | hi, i have a strange problem, i have a pc connected to a gateway, that i use as dns server too, if i shutdown the gateway i can't do, for example, ls -la on that pc... |
| 01:18.43 | dob1 | i can't see the local files on that pc |
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| 01:19.06 | mosty | heatman, wherever your apache2 logs are, there must be more than those 2 lines you pasted before |
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| 01:19.10 | dob1 | maybe because there are some link to a shared directory on that gateway? |
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| 01:20.24 | S4nD3r | rox I came back |
| 01:20.44 | heatman | mosty: thats most i could find: http://pastebin.com/m687ff432 |
| 01:23.10 | benjamindees | mosty, oh I don't really want it I just thought it would be a neat feature. and I still think plugging in an ethernet card and running a program on your desktop is better than whatever way Cisco uses to record calls. |
| 01:24.04 | Nyle | ping |
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| 01:27.55 | S4nD3r | Which CD I must download to install basic lenny ??? |
| 01:28.00 | S4nD3r | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:29.18 | S4nD3r | anyone online ! |
| 01:29.20 | S4nD3r | ? |
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| 01:30.00 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: you just need the nstinst image, and those are the etch images. |
| 01:30.07 | dondelelcaro | s/nst/net/ |
| 01:30.24 | S4nD3r | this is a problem |
| 01:30.30 | S4nD3r | this netinst is with problm |
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| 01:30.33 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: unless you know why you're using lenny, you should start with the etch images. |
| 01:30.47 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: what's the problem? |
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| 01:31.22 | heatman | mosty: any ideas? |
| 01:31.35 | S4nD3r | The grub package failed to install into /target/. without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 01:31.41 | S4nD3r | this were the error message |
| 01:32.16 | dondelelcaro | heatman: what is your actual problem? |
| 01:32.37 | heatman | dondelelcaro: cannot start apache2 |
| 01:33.17 | heatman | dondelelcaro: its fails to associated with 127.0.0.1 as ServerName |
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| 01:33.20 | dondelelcaro | heatman: /etc/apache2/mime.typ$ <-- this is your problem. |
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| 01:33.41 | heatman | dondelelcaro: what needs to be done? |
| 01:33.56 | heatman | dondelelcaro: first time i get probs with apache! |
| 01:34.22 | dondelelcaro | heatman: make sure that /etc/mime.types exists and fix your apache configuration to use it, as it does by default. |
| 01:35.43 | heatman | dondelelcaro: well the file does exist. what apache file needs to be modify/fixed to point to /etc/mime.types? |
| 01:36.53 | dondelelcaro | heatman: anywhere you are specifying TypesConfig. By default it's /etc/apache2/mods-available/mime.conf, but you're probably mucking with it in some other config file. |
| 01:37.38 | heatman | dondelelcaro: there is no special way to tell if another file is mucking what u just cited? |
| 01:38.03 | dondelelcaro | heatman: sure, find /etc/apache2 -type f -print0|xargs grep TypesConfig |
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| 01:39.17 | dkr | xargs -0 |
| 01:39.20 | dkr | ;) |
| 01:39.27 | dondelelcaro | err, yeah, xargs -0 |
| 01:40.48 | heatman | dondelelcaro: lol i must be doing something wrong because all i get is apache2 is a directory |
| 01:41.10 | S4nD3r | where is rox ??? |
| 01:41.12 | dondelelcaro | heatman: with: find /etc/apache2 -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep TypesConfig? |
| 01:41.28 | rox | S4nD3r: im here |
| 01:41.39 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: there's an actual error on vt 4, which we'll need to see. |
| 01:42.11 | heatman | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m2d2e5d0b |
| 01:42.19 | rox | S4nD3r: i've /msg-ed you several tmes, but you seem to ignore it |
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| 01:47.12 | smultron | any good with regex? I need go grep a certain number range (1000-4999) |
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| 01:47.35 | smultron | go = to |
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| 01:49.28 | Pryon | [1-4][0-9]{3} ? |
| 01:50.33 | benjamindees | [1-4][0-9][0-9][0-9] is faster :p |
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| 01:51.03 | Arafangion | Hey, I just can't get DMA working (particularly for my CD/DVD drive), why might this be the case? |
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| 01:52.39 | Nyle | oh crap my lip split |
| 01:52.48 | Nyle | bleeding profusely too |
| 01:52.57 | Arafangion | Nyle: Congrates. |
| 01:53.00 | Nyle | benjamindees: how? |
| 01:53.11 | Arafangion | Nyle: Take better care next time. |
| 01:53.26 | smultron | benjamindees: do i need to quote it or something for grep to recognize it? |
| 01:53.34 | Nyle | yeh I have some chapstick i just woke up and opened my mouth and my lip split cuz it was too dry cuz of the weathe |
| 01:53.47 | Arafangion | Nyle: Weather has nothing to do with it. |
| 01:53.48 | doublehp_ | how to alter $PATH for root at login ? /root/.bashrc is not run, and sourcing from /etc/profile has effect only for user (variables exported from scripts called by /etc/profile are dropped ) |
| 01:54.05 | Nyle | Arafangion: /msg dpkg nyeet |
| 01:54.36 | Nyle | yeh come to think of it i didnt' drink water all day today |
| 01:54.37 | benjamindees | smultron, no: echo '4235' |grep [1-4][0-9][0-9][0-9] |
| 01:54.56 | Arafangion | Nyle: I'm guilty of hte same, actually. |
| 01:54.56 | doublehp_ | Nyle: sentence starts with your nicks ... |
| 01:55.12 | Nyle | benjamindees: how is that faster ? |
| 01:55.20 | doublehp_ | Nyle: adressing to me in private a sentence starting with your nick is not apropriate :) |
| 01:55.25 | smultron | benjamindees: cool. it worked... although two in the 10,000 range slipped through |
| 01:55.51 | Arafangion | So... How might I get DMA working? I have an Asus V6V laptop. |
| 01:56.04 | benjamindees | smultron, grep -x will give an exact match |
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| 01:56.33 | doublehp_ | how to alter $PATH for root at bash login ? |
| 01:56.44 | benjamindees | Nyle, in grep, basic regular expressions are faster than extended regular expressions |
| 01:56.58 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:57.03 | smultron | benjamindees: now nothing shows up. |
| 01:57.09 | benjamindees | Nyle, there are two sets of code |
| 01:57.31 | Nyle | Arafangion: hdparm -i /device |
| 01:57.37 | benjamindees | smultron, what kind of input are you parsing? does it have spaces or anything else? |
| 01:57.42 | Nyle | Arafangion: which dma modes you support |
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| 01:58.01 | smultron | yeah. it's the LDAP list. username [tab] UID |
| 01:58.03 | Arafangion | Nyle: DMA modes: sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 |
| 01:58.04 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:58.47 | Nyle | Arafangion: to turn it on try -d |
| 01:58.51 | Nyle | read manpage |
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| 01:59.12 | smultron | benjamindees: yeah. it's the LDAP list. username [tab] UID |
| 01:59.26 | Arafangion | Nyle: Wierd, the other days (which, incidentially, was with the latest kernel), I was unable to turn dma on. |
| 01:59.52 | Nyle | well I don't know about other days since I am too high to remember |
| 01:59.56 | peppe | Arafangion: isn't it already working? that star near udma2 means that that's the current dma mode |
| 02:00.02 | Nyle | but tonight, you will hopefully get DMA working |
| 02:00.05 | heatman | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
| 02:00.13 | Arafangion | peppe: Interesting. |
| 02:00.16 | Nyle | peppe: mhmmm |
| 02:00.33 | peppe | Arafangion: hdparm /dev/device what says? |
| 02:00.42 | peppe | using_dma=? |
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| 02:01.08 | Arafangion | peppe: Yeah, it succeeds, which it wasn't doing with my other kernel. Must be an incompatibility somewhere. |
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| 02:01.46 | peppe | Arafangion: succeeds what? hdparm without arguments shows the current modes |
| 02:02.02 | peppe | does it show that dma is in use? |
| 02:02.08 | Arafangion | peppe: Yes it does. |
| 02:02.32 | peppe | Arafangion: so? you are sure that actully dma isn't enabled? |
| 02:02.35 | Arafangion | peppe: The curiosity is... it's working _today_, hence the oddity, hence the investigation. |
| 02:02.53 | peppe | Arafangion: heh :) what did change from yesterday? :) |
| 02:03.03 | benjamindees | smultron, awk '{print $2}' |grep -x [1-4][0-9][0-9][0-9] |
| 02:03.21 | Arafangion | peppe: The kernel version. ;) |
| 02:03.38 | benjamindees | smultron, that depends on whether usernames can have whitespace in them |
| 02:03.46 | Arafangion | peppe: Incidentially, this was _why_ I upgraded to the latest kernel version, so something between upgrading the kernel, and my recent downgrade, changed something. |
| 02:04.05 | smultron | benjamindees: no whitespace. the result of that latest one only outputs UIDs, no usernames |
| 02:04.16 | peppe | Arafangion: huh? so you're still running the old version? and now it works? |
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| 02:04.50 | dondelelcaro | heatman: that should be TypesConfig /etc/mime.types. Is this actually a Debian apache config file? |
| 02:05.20 | heatman | dondelelcaro: i didnt modify anything and it was dl and installed via apt-get |
| 02:05.29 | Arafangion | peppe: Yeah, looks like I merely had a glitch that other time, perhaps. Mind you, I do play around alot with virtual machines and ati drivers, so perhaps that messed something up, the original issue I'm still investigating is jerky video. |
| 02:05.37 | Arafangion | peppe: Which again appears sound-related. |
| 02:05.52 | peppe | sound-related jerky video, amazing :) |
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| 02:06.21 | dondelelcaro | heatman: you may have had a pre-existing apache2.conf then, because the default is to use /etc/mime.types. [Unless this is a sarge install or something else old] |
| 02:06.40 | smultron | benjamindees: http://67.9.146.243/sample.txt |
| 02:06.42 | Arafangion | peppe: Yeah, by "jerky video", I mean "the second or third time I play a video, the entire system becomes jerky, including the mouse". |
| 02:07.05 | heatman | dondelelcaro: nah its not sarge.... in brandnew install... so what should i modify in that case? |
| 02:07.12 | benjamindees | smultron, if those are Linux usernames I don't know what characters are disallowed; but someone here probably does. |
| 02:07.25 | dondelelcaro | heatman: it should be TypesConfig /etc/mime.types, not TypesConfig /etc/apache2/mime.types |
| 02:07.33 | Arafangion | peppe: Ahh, I know why I got lead on this dma goose race... |
| 02:07.45 | dondelelcaro | smultron: if you're using adduser, it won't allow you to use bad names. man adduser; for details. |
| 02:07.49 | Arafangion | peppe: When running gxine, (I usually run totem), it claims I do not have dma turned on. |
| 02:08.07 | heatman | dondelelcaro: ok let me see if that file exists |
| 02:08.13 | dondelelcaro | smultron: the precise set of characters which are disallowed is rather complex, and depends on the precise set of software that you're actually using. |
| 02:08.25 | smultron | dondelelcaro: those aren't bad user accounts.... |
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| 02:08.42 | heatman | dondelelcaro: ok it does |
| 02:08.47 | smultron | dondelelcaro: they were made with adduser |
| 02:08.57 | peppe | Arafangion: disk dma? and how can it know that disk dma is turned off? maybe it detects that the system is too slow to play that movie, and says that perhaps you don't have dma enabled |
| 02:09.15 | Arafangion | peppe: It appears to explicitly check the first time it runs. |
| 02:09.40 | Arafangion | And you can re-run those same setup wizards. |
| 02:09.47 | heatman | dondelelcaro: where is this TypesConfig or locate where exactly? |
| 02:09.49 | dondelelcaro | smultron: what's the exact question, though? |
| 02:10.02 | dondelelcaro | heatman: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ... |
| 02:10.40 | smultron | dondelelcaro: i dunno. i originally was curious about number ranges in regex, not user accounts ;) |
| 02:10.48 | dondelelcaro | smultron: ah, ok. |
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| 02:11.34 | dondelelcaro | smultron: yeah, I couldn't figure out how you got from the number ranges to valid characters for usernames. [Pretty much every printable character but : has the potential to be valid, if you're wondering.] |
| 02:12.07 | smultron | dondelelcaro: ah, good to know ;) |
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| 02:13.28 | heatman | dondelelcaro: ok tyvm... no i just have to figure out the permissions since it says that i dont have the right to access the http! |
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| 02:13.55 | Arafangion | peppe: Looks like totem is just buggy, and gxine is incorrect. :) |
| 02:14.06 | benjamindees | smultron, dondelelcaro, I wondered about usernames because the command I gave would fail with a username containing whitespace. |
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| 02:14.52 | smultron | benjamindees: no whitespace in the username, but there is whitespace in the output (tab). |
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| 02:17.21 | eldiablo | Hi, I have a squid 2.6 with samba 3.0.24, with AD authenticate, but i get this message: Could not convert sid S-1-5-21-272887091-2703944714-83417551-2709 User (1) to gid at /var/log/squid/cache.log....Anybody here know about this ? |
| 02:17.24 | benjamindees | smultron, I'm just wondering if a valid username 'could' contain whitespace.. whether yours do or not is immaterial. |
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| 02:17.48 | smultron | benjamindees: ah, ok. i see now |
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| 02:19.25 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it'd probably break lots of things, but there's no intrinsic reason why it couldn't |
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| 02:22.27 | benjamindees | sed 's/.*\t\([1-4][0-9][0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/' would be more precise I think |
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| 02:23.22 | Arafangion | peppe: Turns out the issue was as simple as not having xv support turned on. |
| 02:23.27 | takisd | how can i see what version of gcc was used to compile a running kernel? |
| 02:23.49 | Arafangion | peppe: Confusing thing was the first or second time a video was played, it was fine - must be a subtle bug with the video drivers getting less efficient. |
| 02:24.31 | dondelelcaro | takisd: easiest way is to look at the modules corresponding to that kernel. |
| 02:25.05 | peppe | Arafangion: without xv, the video playback is dramatically less efficient |
| 02:25.21 | Arafangion | peppe: Yet it was only noticible the second or third time. |
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| 02:26.21 | peppe | Arafangion: well... actually you won't notice that if you have a fast CPU. but you will notice the huge CPU usage by players |
| 02:26.30 | takisd | dondelelcaro: how? i just did a modinfo on a module and there was no build info?? |
| 02:26.57 | Arafangion | peppe: I naively assumed that if it was indeed not efficient, it shouldl be _consistently_ not efficient. |
| 02:27.03 | peppe | takisd: dmesg | head -n 1 |
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| 02:27.52 | peppe | takisd: or look in /var/log/messages if your kernel ring buffer lost some message |
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| 02:29.53 | takisd | cool - found it in /var/log/messages |
| 02:29.59 | peppe | Arafangion: it depends on which video you want to play :) |
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| 02:31.13 | Arafangion | peppe: Heh, true, but in my testing, I was playing the same one. :) |
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| 02:32.03 | H4z3 | Guys, Im trying to cut down my processes, how many do you guys run no average? |
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| 02:32.28 | H4z3 | s/no/on/ |
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| 02:33.19 | peppe | H4z3: why do you want to cut down your processes? |
| 02:33.40 | benjamindees | cutting down on process is sort of antithetical to the unix philosophy... |
| 02:33.46 | minus198_ | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 02:33.48 | Arafangion | When trying to compile the vbox drivers, why do I get: |
| 02:33.53 | Arafangion | Makefile:86: *** Error: /usr/src/linux (version 2.6.18) does not match the current kernel (version 2.6.18-5-686). Stop.$ |
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| 02:34.00 | Arafangion | That *is* the matching kernel! |
| 02:34.03 | H4z3 | peppe: I feel my system is slower than it should be.. Others I know run less than 40 more then me |
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| 02:34.12 | godling | Arafangion: That is not an exact match. ;P |
| 02:34.26 | peppe | Arafangion: did you install linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 ? |
| 02:34.28 | H4z3 | 40 less than me** |
| 02:34.30 | peppe | or something like that? |
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| 02:34.36 | Arafangion | godling: Let me do that. :) |
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| 02:35.30 | Arafangion | godling: Yup, already installed |
| 02:36.00 | peppe | H4z3: I don't think that the number of processes has something to do with system slowliness |
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| 02:36.11 | godling | Arafangion: peppe asked you that, not me. |
| 02:36.21 | jetscreamer | what's something i can use to design the interior of my new house, like floorplan/furniture whatnot |
| 02:36.36 | godling | jetscreamer: pencil and a notebook? |
| 02:36.37 | Arafangion | peppe: I already had the headers instaled, but that doesn't appear to be sufficient for the modules to compile. |
| 02:36.45 | H4z3 | peppe: Heh ok, its just a wonder why I have 6 tty's running on /sbin/getty |
| 02:36.46 | godling | :D |
| 02:36.58 | H4z3 | amongst other stuff |
| 02:37.01 | godling | H4z3: you have virtual terminals |
| 02:37.09 | godling | six of them, I'm guessing. |
| 02:37.22 | godling | s/terminal/console |
| 02:37.33 | peppe | H4z3: if you don't know how a linux system is done and what consoles are... |
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| 02:37.50 | H4z3 | I know what consoles are.. I dont have 6 of them open.. |
| 02:37.59 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.16 | godling | H4z3: No. You're doing it wrong. |
| 02:38.19 | jetscreamer | H4z3: take some off if you don't like the default |
| 02:38.38 | jetscreamer | it's not a question of 'open' |
| 02:38.40 | jetscreamer | they exist |
| 02:38.51 | jetscreamer | man inittab if it bugs you |
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| 02:39.04 | H4z3 | jetscreamer: Right, that makes more sense, thanks |
| 02:39.12 | benjamindees | jetscreamer, qcad |
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| 02:39.36 | enouf | hi, back - Generally speaking, module params go in /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/* or /etc/modutils/* ? and then there's the warning comments, "Do Not edit this file ..." in various places and mentions of "update-modules" .. i am confused - i'd just like to know (btw, i'm on lenny/sid - and is it different for etch?) |
| 02:39.44 | jetscreamer | thanks benjamindees i'll check it out |
| 02:39.47 | peppe | oh yes, shut down six unused consoles are the right way to speed up a slow system >:P |
| 02:39.49 | godling | H4z3: Are you thinking of terminal emulators or a console? |
| 02:40.19 | peppe | Arafangion: how are you installing vbox exactly? m-a a-i vboxdrv should install the right headers etc. |
| 02:40.53 | godling | H4z3: It's usually a good idea to have more than one, in case you mess something up and need a way in to fix it. |
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| 02:41.05 | Arafangion | peppe: I'm using the official (proprietary) version from vbox. |
| 02:41.47 | H4z3 | godling: Ok, thanks |
| 02:42.05 | jetscreamer | enouf: i think it's the file name 'Alias' or 'alias' |
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| 02:42.11 | H4z3 | Just wondering why there were 6, makes sense now.. ty |
| 02:42.17 | Arafangion | peppe: And it says I need to do: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup |
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| 02:42.34 | jetscreamer | enouf: not sure, i've only done it once |
| 02:42.35 | peppe | Arafangion: oh. so maybe you need to set the linux header source directory to the right directory (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build) and not /usr/src/linux |
| 02:42.45 | enouf | jetscreamer: i've only ever toyed with older autocad versions, but besides qcad (2d) here's some 3d options if you're interested http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Blender and http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/K-3D |
| 02:42.56 | Arafangion | peppe: I'm able to tell it where the source is. |
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| 02:43.09 | enouf | jetscreamer: in which dir? i have a few of them, perhaps remnants? |
| 02:43.25 | godling | H4z3: You can hit ctrl-alt-function-key to switch between them |
| 02:43.48 | benjamindees | H4z3, removing process is really only useful on low memory machines; what kind of system do you have and what isn't as fast as you think it should be? |
| 02:43.49 | godling | nevermind |
| 02:44.12 | jetscreamer | enouf: i forget (can't look atm) ... i 'think' modprobe.d but not certain |
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| 02:44.38 | Arafangion | peppe: If I give it the path to what I believe is the correct location to the headers, I get: Makefile:266: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory |
| 02:44.48 | Arafangion | peppe: Which leads me to believe I actually need the kernel source. |
| 02:44.48 | peppe | jetscreamer: AFAIK there was a good tool for 3d modelling by google ...is it usual propriety crap? is it for windows only? |
| 02:44.49 | enouf | jetscreamer: thank you anyways, no prob - here's some ls http://pastebin.ca/raw/914691 and http://pastebin.ca/raw/914692 |
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| 02:45.05 | arooni-mobile | how do i get ack (perl grep wrapper) for debian |
| 02:45.24 | peppe | Arafangion: does that path exist? |
| 02:45.34 | arooni-mobile | i did sudo apt-get install ack... .but it doesnt seem to be the same ack for ubuntu (ack on debian is a kanji code converter) |
| 02:45.48 | jetscreamer | Arafangion: there are two subdirs under /usr/src: you want the /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) quite probably aka linux-headers-whatever-686 |
| 02:45.54 | Arafangion | peppe: Yup, but the kernel configuration is evidently invalid because autoconf.h and auto.conf are missing. |
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| 02:46.42 | enouf | peppe: well, in other non-free worlds people use maya and 3d studiomax and such, iinm |
| 02:46.48 | arooni-mobile | how do i get ack-grep the cool tool specified herE: http://packages.debian.org/sid/perl/ack-grep |
| 02:46.55 | peppe | Arafangion: first of all that path is wrong: you should have your _architecture_ headers installed in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 02:47.17 | peppe | and get that dir linked by /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build |
| 02:47.21 | klhrevolution | !debhelper |
| 02:47.28 | Aguu | hi |
| 02:47.36 | jetscreamer | enouf: seems to me it was /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ... looks familiar. all i know :/ hth |
| 02:47.48 | peppe | second, Kbuild.include exists into headers packages. so check your installation |
| 02:47.51 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: Ahh, it was the -686 part I had wrong. :) |
| 02:47.52 | enouf | jetscreamer: no worries, i think so too ;-) |
| 02:48.10 | Aguu | there is any form to dismount a partition automatically? |
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| 02:48.49 | jetscreamer | umount -a would unmount everything it can |
| 02:49.00 | jetscreamer | define form |
| 02:49.13 | peppe | arooni-mobile: apt-get install ack-grep (but in lenny or in sid only) |
| 02:49.17 | jetscreamer | !info xvmount |
| 02:49.27 | arooni-mobile | peppe, i cant have it in etch? |
| 02:49.28 | klhrevolution | I don't suppose one can password protect a dir for regular desktop ? |
| 02:49.31 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 02:49.32 | Aguu | ok thx |
| 02:49.35 | peppe | arooni-mobile: look in backports |
| 02:49.50 | peppe | jetscreamer: dpkg is missing ! :) |
| 02:49.51 | arooni-mobile | peppe, can you elaborate a bit? i'm not sure what backports are |
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| 02:50.17 | benjamindees | !tell arooni-mobile about simple sid backport |
| 02:50.23 | benjamindees | arooni-mobile, backports.org |
| 02:50.41 | peppe | benjamindees: dpkg is *still* missing :D |
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| 02:51.03 | Aguu | and why i cant play games like neverball? |
| 02:51.04 | enouf | Arafangion: yes, compare $ ls -l /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5/ with $ ls -l /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686/ |
| 02:51.05 | rdz | hi all. i captured network traffic using tcpdump and now i would like display the content again using tcpdump. however, i don't understand to dump the data immediately instead of 'replaying' it in realtime. i checked the man page for an 'immediate' option, but i couldn't find anything. any ideas |
| 02:51.11 | Aguu | i have the driver |
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| 02:51.51 | Arafangion | enouf: Quite different - what's the reason? |
| 02:51.51 | arooni-mobile | should i be pinning? |
| 02:51.56 | peppe | arooni-mobile: not at all |
| 02:52.09 | Aguu | nd why i cant play games like neverball? |
| 02:52.17 | peppe | !tell arooni-mobile about simple sid backport |
| 02:52.22 | peppe | !tell arooni-mobile about backport |
| 02:52.29 | arooni-mobile | peppe, i'm worried about conflicts between the debian version of something and the other versions of debian |
| 02:52.38 | benjamindees | peppe, apt will do it if you /msg her |
| 02:52.39 | enouf | Arafangion: you got me :-P but as peppe was saying as long as the symlink for /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build points correctly, usually all goes well |
| 02:52.40 | klhrevolution | !tell klhrevolution about password protected directories |
| 02:52.42 | arooni-mobile | peppe, it says you can pin if you want, but doesn't tell you why to do it or not |
| 02:52.58 | peppe | benjamindees: oh, sorry. I didn't know |
| 02:53.04 | enouf | Arafangion: readlink -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ |
| 02:53.07 | jetscreamer | !tell klhrevolution -about search |
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| 02:53.22 | kjs | Is there a way to stop a standard user from seeing other users processes |
| 02:53.24 | klhrevolution | ty |
| 02:53.30 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 02:53.35 | enouf | Arafangion: mine points to the -686 appended headers ;-) |
| 02:53.38 | arooni-mobile | apt-get -t etch-backports install ack-grep => E: Couldn't find package ack-grep |
| 02:53.41 | arooni-mobile | no dice? |
| 02:53.54 | peppe | rdz: you can dump data with -w option and read that using -r. what do you mean with "dump the data immediately"? |
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| 02:54.04 | jetscreamer | ~locate apt-grep |
| 02:54.05 | apt | ACTION whips the black sheet away from apt-grep showing the world apt-grep's evil plans |
| 02:54.11 | jetscreamer | ~locate ack-grep |
| 02:54.11 | apt | ACTION whips the black sheet away from ack-grep showing the world ack-grep's evil plans |
| 02:54.17 | Aguu | why i cant play games that uses hardware acceleration?? |
| 02:54.20 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 02:54.26 | jetscreamer | ~find ack-grep |
| 02:54.32 | jetscreamer | blame the admin |
| 02:54.35 | jetscreamer | what vid card |
| 02:54.58 | Aguu | geforce 4 mx |
| 02:54.58 | peppe | jetscreamer: it isn't in etch nor backports. only lenny and sid |
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| 02:55.13 | peppe | Aguu: you need nvidia closed (legacy?) drivers |
| 02:55.19 | jetscreamer | !simple sid backport |
| 02:55.19 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 02:55.24 | Aguu | i have already installed them |
| 02:55.25 | rdz | peppe, yeah, exactly.. but when i do 'tcpdump -r capturefile.cap' it replays the capture in the same time sequence as it was captured, i.e i have to wait until the packages are showing up. |
| 02:55.31 | jetscreamer | !tell Aguu -about nvrun |
| 02:55.36 | jetscreamer | read that Aguu |
| 02:55.38 | arooni-mobile | so can i not get ack-grep? |
| 02:55.39 | Aguu | and i have direct rendering |
| 02:55.41 | jetscreamer | use the legacy |
| 02:55.47 | rdz | peppe, do you see my problem? |
| 02:55.53 | Aguu | i have already the drivers |
| 02:55.53 | Arpa | Hi I installed ircd-irc2 and it runs correctly but I wan to add some IRC Services like ChanServ and set a user in IRC to be Operator what I have to ? |
| 02:56.03 | Aguu | but anyways dont work |
| 02:56.04 | jetscreamer | Aguu: try glxinfo... watch xorg die |
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| 02:56.17 | jetscreamer | Aguu: glxinfo |grep -i vendor |
| 02:56.23 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 02:56.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:56.33 | Aguu | it says that i have direct rendering |
| 02:56.51 | jetscreamer | no the command i gave you does not iirc |
| 02:57.03 | peppe | rdz: huh?? that sounds really strange! packets are timestamped, so there is no need to replay them in "real time"... |
| 02:57.05 | jetscreamer | paste the result |
| 02:57.06 | Arpa | !irc2 |
| 02:57.16 | jetscreamer | Aguu: glxinfo |grep -i vendor |
| 02:57.21 | rdz | peppe, but this is what happens.... |
| 02:57.21 | enouf | apt replied because of jetscreamer 's ~find yes? not the ~locate attempts? |
| 02:57.34 | peppe | rdz: with wireshark too? |
| 02:57.35 | jetscreamer | correct... |
| 02:57.41 | rdz | peppe, i captured the file using ethereal.. |
| 02:57.41 | jetscreamer | aka i fuxored it up |
| 02:57.45 | enouf | bingo |
| 02:58.05 | rdz | peppe, when i open the file with ethereal, i can display all of them without having to wait |
| 02:58.15 | benjamindees | arooni-mobile, of course you can; it's a perl module; backport the package from sid or install it as you would any other perl module: http://petdance.com/ack/ |
| 02:58.48 | peppe | rdz: I just tried, my tcpdump reads 60+ seconds of dump immediately. you have a strange problem |
| 02:58.49 | arooni-mobile | benjamindees, but i already added the backport to sources.list; did sudo apt-get update; and then did apt-get install grep-ack |
| 02:58.53 | peppe | rdz: wait! did you specify -n ? |
| 02:59.00 | rdz | peppe, no |
| 02:59.10 | rdz | peppe, lemme check |
| 02:59.10 | peppe | rdz: D'OH! :) |
| 02:59.12 | jetscreamer | Aguu: heck with all that: go to http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt read it all, do it all, (correctly) and it works. . <--period |
| 02:59.27 | Aguu | ok thx |
| 02:59.59 | jetscreamer | Aguu: if glxinfo |grep -i returns nvidia 3 times, you're ok you're right the driver is fine |
| 03:00.10 | jetscreamer | err |
| 03:00.15 | rdz | peppe, so you are saying, it wan't realtime, but i had to wait for all the resolves? |
| 03:00.18 | jetscreamer | Aguu: if glxinfo |grep -i vendor returns nvidia 3 times, you're ok you're right the driver is fine |
| 03:00.28 | rdz | *wasn't |
| 03:00.31 | Aguu | but it is not the direct rendering??? |
| 03:00.46 | rdz | however, it spits out everything now... |
| 03:00.51 | rdz | peppe, many many thanks.. |
| 03:00.57 | peppe | rdz: yeah, it was exactly that |
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| 03:01.06 | benjamindees | arooni-mobile, then it has not been backported; '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' and follow those instructions or download it from CPAN |
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| 03:01.37 | rdz | peppe, this is ironic... the it kind of matched the timestamps in the file.... |
| 03:01.52 | jetscreamer | Aguu: you want 3d. dri is a tad different somehow... . also, make sure you do not have glcore in your xorg.conf grep glcore /etc/X11/xorg.conf or was it the other way.. i always forget |
| 03:02.12 | rdz | i really had to wait 20s for the first packet to show up.. and that was also the timestamp in the file... |
| 03:02.15 | Aguu | ok |
| 03:02.26 | rdz | peppe, i really was fooled by that.. :-) |
| 03:02.42 | paul____ | hi |
| 03:02.52 | rdz | peppe, it's the first time i am using tcpdump... |
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| 03:03.12 | paul____ | i want to install a socks proxxy - can anyone recomment something better than dante/sockd? |
| 03:04.13 | arooni-mobile | benjamindees, what is CPAN |
| 03:04.25 | kgoetz | !z45 |
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| 03:04.48 | peppe | paul____: squid? |
| 03:04.53 | kgoetz | !ping |
| 03:04.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:04.56 | kgoetz | hm. |
| 03:05.05 | kgoetz | whats teh udev rules factoid ? |
| 03:05.08 | benjamindees | arooni-mobile, http://search.cpan.org/dist/ack/ |
| 03:05.16 | kgoetz | !z25 |
| 03:05.16 | dpkg | from memory, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 03:07.32 | arooni-mobile | benjamindees, is cpan for all distros? and not just debian? |
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| 03:07.37 | debian | Hello |
| 03:07.49 | debian | Howto make respos automagicaly apear+ |
| 03:07.52 | debian | ? |
| 03:07.57 | benjamindees | arooni-mobile, yes |
| 03:08.52 | debian | What standard can I add3?? |
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| 03:14.53 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hello |
| 03:15.06 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | the etch repos are too slow, have alternatives?/ |
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| 03:15.19 | debian | I want any respos! |
| 03:15.20 | Aguu | im back |
| 03:15.22 | debian | In etch |
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| 03:15.32 | debian | Can you see what I write_ |
| 03:15.34 | debian | ? |
| 03:15.41 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | debian, yes |
| 03:15.46 | Aguu | but it still dont work |
| 03:15.48 | Aguu | :S |
| 03:15.53 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ps |
| 03:15.54 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | orry |
| 03:16.08 | debian | Can you tell me what respos to use? |
| 03:16.10 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | the etch repos are too slow, have alternatives?/ |
| 03:18.04 | Aguu | if i dont have the glcore line at xorg.conf do i add it under the modules subsection? |
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| 03:18.43 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | the etch repos are too slow, have alternatives?/ |
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| 03:18.52 | beoba | hi, ive started getting daily system mail for things in my crontab, how do i disable this? |
| 03:19.15 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | remove it from crontab |
| 03:19.16 | beoba | the mail doesnt appear to mention any sort of errors |
| 03:19.25 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | dor a grphical interface, use KCron |
| 03:19.33 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | for |
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| 03:19.35 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | * |
| 03:19.37 | beoba | xorg isnt installed on this machine |
| 03:19.43 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | so |
| 03:19.45 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | cd /etc |
| 03:19.54 | beoba | the mails are announcing events that have been performed by other scripts in cron.daily |
| 03:20.06 | beoba | like "ntp offset 1.xkghd seconds" |
| 03:20.07 | benjamindees | debian, wget http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect_0.3.ds1-10_i386.deb && wget http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-10_all.deb && sudo dpkg --install netselect*.deb |
| 03:20.07 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | cd cron.[hourly/daily/etc] |
| 03:20.09 | beoba | as an example |
| 03:20.20 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | cdd cron.daily |
| 03:20.25 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | and remove the file |
| 03:20.38 | beoba | no, that would only disable the daily execution of ntpdate |
| 03:20.42 | beoba | which is what i want |
| 03:20.44 | Aguu | if i dont have the glcore line at xorg.conf do i add it under the modules subsection? |
| 03:20.49 | beoba | i just dont want emails telling me about it |
| 03:20.50 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | benjamindees, the etch repos are too slow, have alternatives?/ |
| 03:21.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | what kind of e-mails? |
| 03:21.17 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | is a e-mail server? |
| 03:21.21 | beoba | like "you have mail" on ssh login |
| 03:21.28 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | if positive, wha'ts the e-mail serv? |
| 03:21.37 | paul____ | peppe - i didnt think squid did socks? |
| 03:21.59 | beoba | like this: |
| 03:22.00 | beoba | No mail. |
| 03:22.00 | beoba | Last login: Fri Feb 22 22:15:51 2008 from 10.0.0.49 |
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| 03:22.13 | beoba | except it'd be "you have mail" if i hadnt already deleted today's automatic mail |
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| 03:22.39 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hmmm |
| 03:22.42 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | remove the program |
| 03:22.49 | Aguu | if i dont have the glcore line at xorg.conf do i add it under the modules subsection? |
| 03:22.57 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | apt-get remove package -f --purge |
| 03:22.59 | Joelito | hi, all: does anyone try to install full gnome from the DVDs set, a got a few "but it is not installable" errors? |
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| 03:23.10 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | the etch repos are too slow, have alternatives?/ |
| 03:23.39 | benjamindees | Kamping_Kaiser, use netselect to choose a faster one |
| 03:23.45 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Joelito, added more repos? |
| 03:23.48 | raz | or setup a local mirror |
| 03:23.58 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | benjamindees, this is for me? |
| 03:24.17 | benjamindees | Kamus_H_Zwisch, yes |
| 03:24.21 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hmmm |
| 03:24.25 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | apt-get install netselect? |
| 03:24.29 | Joelito | Kamus_H_Zwisch: My idea is to install in a PC without internet connection. |
| 03:24.40 | benjamindees | Kamus_H_Zwisch, apt-get install netselect-apt |
| 03:24.56 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Joelito, you need the right versions of the gnome dependencies |
| 03:25.07 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | thanks |
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| 03:25.41 | iateadonut | apt-spy:apt-get:: ? :ntp |
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| 03:25.50 | Joelito | Kamus_H_Zwisch: I know, isn't debian DVDs got them? |
| 03:26.14 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Joelito, i don't know, i did my install from cd 1 and added what i need later |
| 03:26.36 | Joelito | Kamus_H_Zwisch: That would be cool If I got internet :( |
| 03:26.41 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :( |
| 03:26.57 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | tried to like as a cdrom repository? |
| 03:27.01 | iateadonut | does anyone know a good program that automatically sets up ntp? |
| 03:27.05 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | add* |
| 03:27.08 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | like=add |
| 03:27.12 | iateadonut | the way apt-spy sets up apt-get? |
| 03:27.59 | Joelito | Kamus_H_Zwisch: I'm usig etch because I use stable :), but is there like "aptoncd" tool in eatch? |
| 03:28.20 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | yes |
| 03:28.26 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | but you need internet for that |
| 03:28.31 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | i use etch too |
| 03:28.32 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :p |
| 03:28.41 | Joelito | Kamus_H_Zwisch: I can use it from here :) |
| 03:28.59 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hmmm |
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| 03:29.07 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | try to acces the debian repos |
| 03:29.37 | Joelito | Kamus_H_Zwisch: I mean use this pc, install debian from repos and use that tool so I can backup new stuff |
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| 03:33.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | benjamindees, netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 03:33.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 03:33.27 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | i already deactivated traceroute protect but get the same |
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| 03:35.31 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | benjamindees, here? |
| 03:35.44 | benjamindees | Kamus_H_Zwisch, yes I noticed... |
| 03:36.54 | benjamindees | Joelito, you may be able to use jigdo to do what you want, which will run on windows |
| 03:38.05 | jetscreamer | !repository |
| 03:38.05 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 03:38.26 | jetscreamer | where's that damn factoid |
| 03:38.28 | jetscreamer | !mirror |
| 03:38.28 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 03:38.35 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 03:39.57 | jetscreamer | !debian repository |
| 03:39.57 | dpkg | hmm... debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 03:40.15 | rox | hello, my system became unbootable and playing with grub revealed that it is unable to read the initrd image, barfing out this error: Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure |
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| 03:40.25 | rox | does anybody have a clue about this? |
| 03:40.39 | freezer | hi |
| 03:41.24 | enouf | rox: restore a woking initrd? |
| 03:41.29 | enouf | working even |
| 03:42.00 | jetscreamer | rox: are you sure it's the initrd and not your fs that the initrd is on? |
| 03:42.14 | wooden | rox: Boot from a rescue CD and see if you can mount your disk. |
| 03:42.22 | jetscreamer | rox: can you boot another kernel |
| 03:42.40 | rox | wooden: yes, i can mount it |
| 03:42.41 | jetscreamer | like the previous one |
| 03:43.01 | rox | enouf: the initrds are working, they have been booting all until now |
| 03:43.03 | wooden | rox: Did you try chrooting to your disk and reinstalling grub? |
| 03:43.16 | rox | jetscreamer: i can not boot any kernel, because they all use an initrd |
| 03:43.30 | freezer | what does it mean if table-water tastes like earth? |
| 03:43.42 | enouf | then why did you say "playing with grub revealed that it is unable to read the initrd image,"? |
| 03:43.45 | wooden | freezer: You will never be able to sire children. |
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| 03:43.57 | freezer | wooden: haha.. |
| 03:44.14 | rox | wooden: i am in linux-mint now, my rescue disk. you say i should reinstall grub? |
| 03:44.35 | freezer | rox: ya exec 'grub' |
| 03:44.45 | jetscreamer | rox: you should know what the problem is before you blindly go around doing stuff |
| 03:44.47 | freezer | then root (hdx,x) |
| 03:44.47 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 03:44.58 | freezer | and then setup (hdx,x) |
| 03:44.58 | wooden | Yeah, slow down. |
| 03:45.03 | rox | jetscreamer: don'+t patronize me, please |
| 03:45.11 | jetscreamer | fine |
| 03:45.13 | jetscreamer | have fun |
| 03:45.29 | enouf | Joelito: jetscreamer did he want apt-cdrom? |
| 03:45.33 | jetscreamer | i wasn't patronizing i was being dead serious |
| 03:45.37 | rox | freezer: if i reinstall grub from linux-mint, will it screw up my debian grub? |
| 03:46.01 | rox | jetscreamer: i installed a kernel image and rebooted, how was i supposed to know grub was corrupt |
| 03:46.01 | wooden | rox: No no no. |
| 03:46.07 | freezer | rox: it should take the files it finds in the root, so its the debian |
| 03:46.16 | jetscreamer | rox: boot the old kernel and fix it |
| 03:46.33 | wooden | man chroot |
| 03:46.36 | rox | freezer: ok, so i mount the root filesystem, chroot to it and install grub? |
| 03:46.36 | jetscreamer | enouf: i though he wanted a mirror/repo on a cd but i wasn't paying much attention |
| 03:46.48 | jetscreamer | you gotta mound /proc weirdly before you chroot in |
| 03:46.56 | freezer | i fixed my debian grub with DSL iirc |
| 03:47.04 | rox | jetscreamer: no kernel boots, because they are all initrd kernels |
| 03:47.08 | enouf | jetscreamer: i saw your frustration, and scrolled up to read - /me shrugs ;-) |
| 03:47.14 | freezer | rox: don't you have a seperate boot partition? |
| 03:47.17 | rox | jetscreamer: grub barfs on initrd command |
| 03:47.35 | freezer | you don't need to chroot or mount anything |
| 03:47.38 | rox | freezer: no, i only partition / and /home |
| 03:47.40 | jetscreamer | rox: if it's all of them you might wanna fsck the hd while you have the livecd booted |
| 03:47.54 | enouf | !fixmbr |
| 03:47.54 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 03:47.58 | rox | jetscreamer: i have, fsck says they are fine |
| 03:48.00 | freezer | rox: just start 'grub' and set root (hdx,x) |
| 03:48.01 | jetscreamer | s/hd/partition |
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| 03:48.35 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 03:48.35 | freezer | better (hdx,y) x = nr. of hd and y nr of partition |
| 03:48.38 | enouf | this is one can of worms i will walk away from gladly ;-) |
| 03:48.42 | jetscreamer | fixmbr eh |
| 03:48.50 | jetscreamer | good facktoid |
| 03:48.51 | rox | let's see |
| 03:48.59 | jetscreamer | !factinfo fixmbr |
| 03:48.59 | dpkg | fixmbr -- last modified at Fri Jul 7 20:04:31 2006 by stew!n=stew@mudskipper.vireo.org; it has been requested 206 times, last by enouf, 1m 5s ago. |
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| 03:50.02 | rox | freezer: so, you are saying i should install grub to mbr again? |
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| 03:50.24 | freezer | rox: if that is what u need to do |
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| 03:50.31 | jetscreamer | !ops Joeyyooo is like spammage |
| 03:50.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: Joeyyooo is like spammage |
| 03:50.38 | freezer | rox: im not sure what exactly ur problem is |
| 03:50.43 | jetscreamer | [21.51.32] <-- Joeyyooo (n=Joey@c-69-244-235-31.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has left #debian |
| 03:51.04 | jetscreamer | i've seen that |
| 03:51.12 | jetscreamer | grub can't read shit afaicr |
| 03:51.40 | jetscreamer | you can boot a grubshell, but when you do kernel /boot/whatever it's like .. file not found or whatever |
| 03:51.48 | jetscreamer | i think it's a lame version of grub |
| 03:51.55 | freezer | no |
| 03:52.02 | freezer | you have to set root correctly |
| 03:52.04 | freezer | then it works |
| 03:52.05 | jetscreamer | no i mean the behaviour i'm describing |
| 03:52.10 | jetscreamer | been there done that |
| 03:52.32 | rox | ayayayay |
| 03:52.33 | freezer | i killed my grub recently with winxp installation |
| 03:52.40 | Arpa | Hi I installed ircd-irc2 and it runs correctly but I wan to add some IRC Services like ChanServ and set a user in IRC to be Operator what I have to ? |
| 03:52.57 | rox | grub> setup (hd0) |
| 03:52.57 | rox | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.57 | rox | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.57 | rox | Error 15: File not found |
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| 03:53.01 | freezer | booted from cd with grub on it -- booted with it into my debian with root encyrpted with dmcrypt |
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| 03:53.12 | rox | this was my stupid problem |
| 03:53.24 | freezer | rox: set root (hdx,y) first |
| 03:53.33 | freezer | where root is your / partition |
| 03:53.39 | rox | freezer: i have |
| 03:53.48 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ping |
| 03:53.53 | Arpa | No wha wanna help me ?:( |
| 03:53.54 | freezer | for sda1 it should be hd0,0 |
| 03:54.10 | rox | freezer: my root is /dev/sda1 or hd0,0 in grub |
| 03:54.17 | freezer | ya |
| 03:54.32 | rox | and the stage1 file is actually missing |
| 03:54.36 | freezer | what do you get after root command? |
| 03:54.37 | Arpa | Hi I installed irc2(IRCNET Irc server) and it runs correctly but I wan to add some IRC Services like ChanServ and set a user in IRC to be Operator what I have to ? |
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| 03:54.55 | rox | freezer: Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 |
| 03:55.11 | rox | freezer: the kernel command seems to be fine too |
| 03:55.15 | rox | freezer: the initrd command barfs |
| 03:55.22 | enouf | rox: do 'find /boot/grub/stage1' |
| 03:55.44 | rox | freezer: i should put it into /boot/grub , right? |
| 03:56.01 | enouf | use tab completion too |
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| 03:56.32 | enouf | i wonder if that's even debian |
| 03:56.37 | jetscreamer | !tell nyle -about nyeet |
| 03:56.53 | rox | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 03:56.57 | freezer | rox: i have a seperate /boot partition .. and type the root and setup command |
| 03:57.11 | freezer | +only |
| 03:57.25 | rox | freezer: i have |
| 03:57.32 | jetscreamer | Arpa: this probably isn't the channel to ask that.. you can ask it in here, but someplace also, like ##linux might have more of a chance of being able to answer |
| 03:57.54 | jetscreamer | i think it's probably ubuntu |
| 03:58.18 | Arpa | thanks |
| 03:58.19 | enouf | or one of many bastardized mutant offspring |
| 03:58.21 | oxi | hi |
| 03:58.38 | freezer | rox: maybe chroot to your / and try the update-grub command |
| 03:58.47 | oxi | can anyone please explain me: if I want to use subdomains with tomcat, ... do I need to install apache? |
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| 03:58.52 | jetscreamer | Arpa: you can ask in as many channels as you can /join :) |
| 03:59.04 | rox | freezer: no, i think the problem is that my grub package got uninstalled on one of the upgrades |
| 03:59.17 | freezer | rox: update-grub should fix it |
| 03:59.22 | rox | freezer: and i didn+'t even notice |
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| 03:59.29 | Arpa | :(( no one know the answer |
| 03:59.37 | Arpa | becuase I'm using debian and I installed it |
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| 03:59.43 | Arpa | and It works correctly |
| 03:59.44 | rox | freezer: i'll check for the package first |
| 03:59.44 | freezer | rox: reinstall it under chroot then? |
| 03:59.57 | Arpa | but I don't know how can I set myself as a operator in my channels:O |
| 03:59.58 | Arpa | :d |
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| 04:00.45 | SpookyET | sup? |
| 04:02.04 | SpookyET | I have changed the prompts http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=archlinuxscreenshotpk1.png |
| 04:02.05 | Supaplex | stuff |
| 04:02.05 | enouf | Arpa: i doubt ##linux-ops or maybe even #networking or even #freenode are correct for you - but they might point you to somewhere better |
| 04:03.12 | jetscreamer | man ircd comes to mind |
| 04:03.55 | enouf | look in /usr/share/doc/ ;-) |
| 04:04.13 | rox | freezer: i have installed grub in chroot, it was indeed uninstalled |
| 04:04.21 | enouf | dpkg -L pkgname | egrep 'html|READ|gz' :-P |
| 04:04.21 | dpkg | ii pkgname | egrep 'html|READ|gz' :-P 1.7-12.3 enouf's private stamp collection |
| 04:04.28 | enouf | heh |
| 04:04.53 | freezer | rox: ^^ |
| 04:07.52 | rox | freezer: grub install still fails for the same reasons |
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| 04:08.06 | jetscreamer | the reason being you didn't read wtf the bot said |
| 04:08.11 | jetscreamer | !fixmbr |
| 04:08.11 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 04:08.12 | freezer | rox: try the update-grub i told u |
| 04:08.24 | jetscreamer | did you do it that way? |
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| 04:09.23 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite somebody |
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| 04:10.53 | oxi | is it possible to install apache 2.2 by aptitude? |
| 04:11.05 | Nyle | illogic-al: yes yes i did |
| 04:11.08 | Nyle | er.. |
| 04:11.09 | Nyle | oops |
| 04:11.38 | Nyle | so virtualbox is useless |
| 04:11.44 | Nyle | im downloading vmware now |
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| 04:12.51 | Supaplex | !annoy jetscreamer |
| 04:12.51 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME jetscreamer!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:13.06 | rox | freezer && jetscreamer: i still get the same error |
| 04:13.12 | Nyle | death |
| 04:13.27 | S4nD3r | vmware is simply the best |
| 04:13.29 | Nyle | to the macleods |
| 04:13.58 | Supaplex | xen > vmware |
| 04:14.03 | Nyle | nah |
| 04:14.08 | Nyle | xen is a pos to setup |
| 04:14.09 | Nyle | :( |
| 04:14.28 | benjamindees | ugh how can netselect-apt be so damn broken... |
| 04:15.21 | Supaplex | technology ;) |
| 04:15.22 | jetscreamer | the macleods lived across the street from me when i grew up... |
| 04:16.18 | jetscreamer | rox: it always works better to hit e when the cd boots and get a grubshell and boot your install that way... works a lot better for me at least |
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| 04:16.34 | jetscreamer | if it's graphical you need to hit esc then e |
| 04:16.38 | jetscreamer | err c |
| 04:16.42 | jetscreamer | not e, c |
| 04:16.47 | jetscreamer | e is for edit |
| 04:16.56 | cizzi | is there a log file that keeps track of packagesa installed and removed with apt-get? |
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| 04:17.10 | jetscreamer | no but there is with aptitude i hear, cizzio |
| 04:17.18 | rox | jetscreamer: this was the first thing i tried before booting into rescue disk, it didn+'t work, because grub got messed up |
| 04:17.41 | rox | jetscreamer: but i'll try it again, sice i reinstalled grub in between |
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| 04:17.51 | jetscreamer | rox: no i mean boot a cd that has grub on it and use that grubshell |
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| 04:17.55 | drowner | g'day everyone |
| 04:18.06 | jetscreamer | the debian install cd's don't use grub iirc they use syslinux |
| 04:18.11 | mounika | thank u and same 2 u |
| 04:18.19 | drowner | have you guys seen this: http://goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 04:18.26 | jetscreamer | there is also a grub image for a floppy online i think? |
| 04:18.29 | Supaplex | I has :) |
| 04:18.31 | jetscreamer | !grub floppy |
| 04:18.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub floppy image is http://packages.debian.org/grub-disk, or http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html |
| 04:18.41 | drowner | you can install debian with an .exe now? :D |
| 04:18.42 | jetscreamer | that's not the factoid |
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| 04:18.51 | Supaplex | !goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 04:18.52 | jetscreamer | drowner: yes that method rox |
| 04:18.54 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:19.01 | jetscreamer | rox: got windows? |
| 04:19.03 | Supaplex | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 04:19.03 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 04:19.20 | drowner | oh ok. |
| 04:19.23 | drowner | it seemed sus |
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| 04:19.56 | jetscreamer | hey Supaplex that needs a linux method also... being able to do that in windows or linux(ubuntu/redhat) would be cool |
| 04:20.26 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: that's already in the install-guide |
| 04:20.32 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:20.38 | Supaplex | installing on existing linux systems |
| 04:20.40 | jetscreamer | i never read docs :) |
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| 04:20.46 | rox | jetscreamer: you are being a real asshole |
| 04:20.53 | jetscreamer | thanks |
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| 04:21.08 | enouf | ^fives Supaplex |
| 04:21.38 | rox | freezer: thanx for your help |
| 04:21.54 | rox | jetscreamer: thanx for your help && screw you for being obnoxious |
| 04:21.59 | enouf | rox: stfu please |
| 04:22.19 | jetscreamer | but you appreciated the help, right? that's all that matters |
| 04:22.26 | noohgodno | i just got a new computer today |
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| 04:22.32 | noohgodno | am instalilng debian on it right now, who's happy for me |
| 04:22.39 | noohgodno | it was free |
| 04:22.51 | enouf | !congratulate noohgodno |
| 04:22.52 | dpkg | Yay noohgodno, you did it! |
| 04:23.12 | jetscreamer | !\o/ |
| 04:23.12 | dpkg | i heard \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 04:23.31 | enouf | or touchdown! :-P |
| 04:23.58 | jetscreamer | dpkg: no \o/ is <reply> w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! touchdown! or... gooooooooooaaaaaaaaall! |
| 04:23.58 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 04:24.16 | enouf | yeah, was going to say score too |
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| 04:25.20 | feysalus | Hi |
| 04:25.21 | enouf | what's that me me me mine mine nownownow .. oh yeah ;-) |
| 04:25.24 | enouf | !hurry |
| 04:25.24 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
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| 04:27.39 | feysalus | I installed debian yesterday, and had trouble mounting an NTFS partition with ntfs3g, it said the partition wasnt a valid NTFS, and when I booted using the ubuntu liveCD it gave me the same error - I installed ubuntu now and the partition is working perfectly, do these 2 handle partitions differently? could it be that the etch partitioner is causing problems? |
| 04:28.51 | enouf | feysalus: perhaps but unlikely - was it Vista? |
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| 04:29.02 | feysalus | no, windows xp |
| 04:29.12 | enouf | oh, odd then for sure |
| 04:29.18 | enouf | perhaps a controller issue |
| 04:29.21 | spockboy | feysalus: was there any chance the NTFS filesystem wasn't in a clean state? I |
| 04:29.22 | feysalus | I have been using only linux for the past 2 weeks |
| 04:29.36 | jetscreamer | i would personally guess a flaky ntfs-3g but no idea |
| 04:29.37 | enouf | is the NTFS partition on a separate HDD? |
| 04:29.47 | feysalus | nope, on the same HDD |
| 04:30.00 | enouf | ok, and you have an Ext'd partition? |
| 04:30.09 | feysalus | my partition table is as follows (some crude ascii coming up) |
| 04:30.14 | jetscreamer | nonono |
| 04:30.16 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 04:30.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 04:30.21 | feysalus | ok |
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| 04:30.43 | jetscreamer | who has that paste script |
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| 04:31.01 | feysalus | my first partition is a linux swap partition, then there's a logical partition, with a hda5 (ext3) and hda6 (ntfs) |
| 04:31.06 | jetscreamer | i saw somebody with one.. sounds cool |
| 04:31.11 | enouf | I can only think since even the ubuntu livecd initially also had issues that you somehow did something wrong during the installation of Etch |
| 04:31.20 | enouf | maybe not intentionally i mean, but |
| 04:31.29 | jetscreamer | or it was trying to mount the hda4 |
| 04:31.48 | feysalus | yeah, I deleted one partition and recreated it using the ubuntu partitioner just to 'refresh' it |
| 04:31.49 | enouf | all of that is usually never an issue |
| 04:32.11 | enouf | oh, heh, you fixed it then ;-) |
| 04:32.13 | jetscreamer | i detest extended partitions so no idea |
| 04:32.24 | enouf | you could've done the same thing with etch |
| 04:32.39 | jetscreamer | i wanna delete partition#2 ... OOOPS! |
| 04:32.44 | enouf | jetscreamer: yeah, ext'd suck |
| 04:32.50 | jetscreamer | byebye4,5,6 |
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| 04:33.43 | feysalus | does anyone here have a ntfs partition mounted in debian? |
| 04:33.44 | Nyle | man |
| 04:33.47 | Nyle | this is pissin me off |
| 04:33.51 | enouf | you know the ext'd is just 1024bytes and acts only as a pointer to each logical's boot sector .. heh |
| 04:34.22 | Nyle | vmware says kernel was built using 4.1.3 gcc, while I have 4.2.2 and I can't build the vmmon module |
| 04:34.26 | enouf | feysalus: i know many many people who do - not me though, i won;t touch it ;-) |
| 04:34.45 | enouf | Nyle: i've seen others complain about that |
| 04:34.53 | Nyle | I'm on testing |
| 04:34.55 | enouf | one sec - let me see if my brain can recall |
| 04:35.00 | craigevil | vmware almost always needs the any any patch |
| 04:35.01 | Nyle | and I don't have gcc4.1 available |
| 04:35.39 | Nyle | hmm |
| 04:35.42 | Nyle | !info vmware-pacakge |
| 04:36.09 | feysalus | could it be because etch is using another driver? in ubuntu the partitions are sda# , in etch it was hda# |
| 04:36.14 | enouf | you could install 4.1.3 and point your /usr/bin/gcc symlink to that - or export CC and / or HOSTCC |
| 04:36.24 | enouf | aski n #vmware? |
| 04:36.48 | enouf | i think the export CC=gcc-version fails, iirc |
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| 04:37.06 | Nyle | make-vmpkg |
| 04:37.08 | Nyle | enouf: it does |
| 04:37.18 | Nyle | it fails |
| 04:37.27 | enouf | well, you atleast need it installed :-P |
| 04:37.28 | Nyle | im gonna see what this is all about |
| 04:37.33 | Nyle | yeh |
| 04:37.38 | Nyle | enouf: snapshots? |
| 04:37.45 | enouf | erm, hrm |
| 04:37.49 | enouf | !sdo |
| 04:37.52 | enouf | !sdn |
| 04:37.52 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 04:37.53 | jetscreamer | feysalus: no that's different |
| 04:37.58 | jetscreamer | the sda/hda |
| 04:38.37 | enouf | !info gcc-4.1.3 etch |
| 04:38.52 | enouf | no idea what etch uses |
| 04:39.10 | feysalus | ok, so should I get lenny or try reinstalling etch? |
| 04:40.00 | enouf | feysalus: reinstalling etch perhaps, which command mode did you use? install? installgui? expert? expertgui? |
| 04:40.01 | Supaplex | feysalus: how stable does it have to be? :) |
| 04:40.04 | enouf | prior |
| 04:40.12 | feysalus | i used netinst |
| 04:40.37 | enouf | !+find gcc-4.1.3 |
| 04:40.39 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:40.42 | feysalus | Supaplex, very stable :) but with new version packages |
| 04:40.47 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gcc-4.1.3' returned no results. |
| 04:40.51 | enouf | heh |
| 04:41.43 | enouf | * etch (stable) (devel): The GNU C compiler 4:4.1.1-15: alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
| 04:41.46 | feysalus | does the DVD image of 4r3 have the packages upto date as of 18th feb? |
| 04:41.48 | Supaplex | contradiction in terms... :P |
| 04:41.52 | enouf | horses mouth - pdo |
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| 04:42.46 | feysalus | ok , I'll try installing etch again, hope it works this time |
| 04:42.47 | feysalus | bbl |
| 04:45.50 | enouf | wtf? |
| 04:45.55 | enouf | Nyle: hrm .. what about chkinstall to make like a phony pkg exist? |
| 04:46.20 | enouf | there's no chkinstall factoid and checkinstall isn't it, is it? |
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| 04:46.46 | enouf | wtf am i thinking of .. hrm |
| 04:46.55 | Nyle | yeh apparantly 'expert CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1' is not correct ;) |
| 04:46.55 | enouf | not confmiss, nope |
| 04:47.38 | enouf | heh, well, it's export, not expert ;-) and you need something like that version installed too ;-) |
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| 04:47.50 | enouf | you can have multiple versions installed |
| 04:48.09 | Nyle | I had already had it |
| 04:48.14 | Nyle | I just didn't type export |
| 04:48.17 | enouf | oh |
| 04:48.24 | Nyle | and never bothered to look in the window I typed it in |
| 04:48.26 | Nyle | figuring i did it right |
| 04:48.29 | Nyle | typo heh |
| 04:48.32 | Nyle | its done |
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| 04:49.23 | enouf | Nyle: might want to use full version name |
| 04:49.25 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/914782 |
| 04:49.56 | enouf | not the pkgname |
| 04:50.09 | enouf | gcc --version :-P |
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| 04:51.57 | enouf | guess not $ ls -l /usr/bin/gcc* |
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| 04:58.45 | jetscreamer | yes expert would be wrong |
| 04:58.51 | jetscreamer | export maybe |
| 05:00.42 | fas3r | with nagios it's possible to execute script in the notification file ? |
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| 05:05.20 | freezer | howto add a user to a certain group? |
| 05:05.44 | michael | my debian install freezes at 0% both using rescue and install mode, with an adaptec aic7xxx driver and adaptec 3210s controller, and 2400a controller + external arrays |
| 05:05.55 | michael | sarge works, however |
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| 05:06.05 | michael | seems something changed in etch |
| 05:06.18 | michael | tried passing the aicxxxxx arguments to install |
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| 05:06.42 | michael | but sarge wont install lilo or grub as i use xfs fs:( |
| 05:07.19 | michael | anyone know how to fix this freezing error in etch? |
| 05:07.40 | Nyle | yeh its fine |
| 05:07.53 | Nyle | I am installing XP Pro x64 right now inside this |
| 05:07.57 | Nyle | haha haha |
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| 05:09.31 | Spiritus55 | I need to update three versions of different programs, and I haven't used my computer in about a year.. so I can't really remember all the apt-get commands to update them. |
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| 05:10.13 | Spiritus55 | I'm trying to install libgpod3, but a few dependencies aren't being met. |
| 05:10.21 | Spiritus55 | Anyone wanna help me out? |
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| 05:13.03 | noohgodno | if you love everyone your love is pretty worthless |
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| 05:13.21 | noohgodno | swap are you in here |
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| 05:18.32 | litage | when i use fdisk to display this particular HD's partition table, it says that /dev/sda3 is formatted "Linux". however, parted says /dev/sda3 has no FS. when i try to mount /dev/sda3 , mount fails with this error message: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 05:18.50 | litage | i'm guessing that the partition table is corrupt. how can i fix this without affecting the data on sda3 ? |
| 05:19.18 | wols | it is not corrupt |
| 05:19.28 | wols | the partition type in the table is meaningless. |
| 05:19.52 | wols | alsways was. just that some stupid OSes *cough* rely on its data |
| 05:19.56 | noohgodno | why on earth does it say "linux" and not, oh "ext3" |
| 05:20.03 | noohgodno | or whatever type it is |
| 05:20.07 | litage | noohgodno: no idea |
| 05:20.16 | wols | litage: file /dev/device |
| 05:20.39 | Spiritus55 | wols, you think you could help me out? |
| 05:20.50 | wols | what debian branch? |
| 05:20.54 | Spiritus55 | etch |
| 05:21.05 | wols | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 05:21.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 05:21.17 | wols | dpkg: shuddup |
| 05:21.17 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 05:22.05 | wols | Spiritus55: tat libc6 dpkg command was for you |
| 05:22.09 | litage | wols: here's the output from ``file /dev/sda*'' : http://rafb.net/p/vUBpeZ86.html |
| 05:22.12 | Spiritus55 | kk |
| 05:23.10 | wols | litage: file -s then |
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| 05:23.21 | Spiritus55 | wols: my output from the command is: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:23.22 | wols | and only for the partition you want to know about |
| 05:23.42 | wols | Spiritus55: then do a security update and and then |
| 05:23.46 | wols | !tell Spiritus55 about bat |
| 05:23.59 | wols | !info libc6 etch |
| 05:24.02 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 4592 kB, Installed size: 11036 kB |
| 05:24.12 | litage | wols: a-hah! awesome, thanks. it turns out that sda3 has LVM on it |
| 05:25.05 | litage | wols: this is a USB HD that a friend wants to boot from and gave to me because "it doesn't work".. |
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| 05:25.20 | litage | so i had no idea what's on it |
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| 05:25.40 | Spiritus55 | wols: join #flood for my output I get when trying to install libgpod3 |
| 05:25.51 | wols | Spiritus55: use a pastebin |
| 05:25.53 | litage | Spiritus55: it's easier to use a pastebin |
| 05:26.00 | litage | Spiritus55: eg: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 05:26.03 | Spiritus55 | kk |
| 05:26.28 | wols | !info löibgpod3 |
| 05:26.32 | wols | !info libgpod3 |
| 05:26.35 | dpkg | libgpod3: (a library to read and write songs and artwork to an iPod), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 191 kB, Installed size: 400 kB |
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| 05:26.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
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| 05:27.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to install an x86 package on a 64-bit debian system? |
| 05:27.30 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: chroot mainly |
| 05:27.40 | Supaplex | which package? |
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| 05:27.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | winff |
| 05:27.54 | Supaplex | what's that? |
| 05:27.56 | wols | winff? |
| 05:27.57 | Spiritus55 | wols:http://rafb.net/p/hIVQc125.html |
| 05:28.03 | Spiritus55 | wols: http://rafb.net/p/hIVQc125.html |
| 05:28.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://biggmatt.com/winff/downloads/ <-- This |
| 05:28.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a frontend to FFmpeg |
| 05:28.21 | wols | !tell Spiritus55 about simple sid backport |
| 05:28.58 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: http://biggmatt.com/files/winffv033-source.zip |
| 05:29.02 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: well, there's source |
| 05:29.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's pascal |
| 05:29.16 | wols | !info lazarus etch |
| 05:29.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Tried compiling it before, couldn't figure out how to use lazarus |
| 05:29.18 | Supaplex | gnu has a pascal compiler |
| 05:29.31 | noohgodno | when you say "hello" to dpkg he says "privet" |
| 05:30.04 | Supaplex | !literal hello |
| 05:30.05 | dpkg | "hello" is "<reply> Hi, $who!" |
| 05:30.14 | loslalfos | and then there's always freepascal around... |
| 05:30.14 | jetscreamer | !love noohgodno |
| 05:30.22 | noohgodno | oo |
| 05:30.25 | freezer | in which package is PyGTK? |
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| 05:30.38 | wols | !tell freezer about search |
| 05:31.26 | Supaplex | ffmpeg - multimedia player, server and encoder |
| 05:31.36 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-get install ffmpeg? :) |
| 05:31.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a GUI :P |
| 05:31.59 | wols | Supaplex: he wants purrty frontend for ffmpeg |
| 05:32.39 | Supaplex | sorry, I read the readme.txt wrong. |
| 05:32.54 | bahadunn | anyone know what package the ip program is in? |
| 05:33.06 | Supaplex | !tell bahadunn -about apt-file |
| 05:33.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or I just want something that'll remember the settings that work with my MP3 player, rather than having to type a two-lines long command every time to get video files that rockbox doesn't hate. |
| 05:33.20 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.30 | wols | !tell bahadunn about search |
| 05:34.15 | Supaplex | sounds like a shell script |
| 05:34.22 | bahadunn | Supaplex: have you ever tried apt-file search ip? |
| 05:34.33 | Supaplex | apt-file search bin/ip |
| 05:34.36 | wols | bahadunn: have you ever tried to think? |
| 05:35.11 | Supaplex | apt-file search bin/ip | grep bin/ip$ |
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| 05:35.21 | Supaplex | looks clear to me what package it's in. |
| 05:35.25 | bahadunn | Supaplex: I get nothing for that |
| 05:35.36 | Supaplex | you have to apt-file update first |
| 05:35.40 | wols | bahadunn: then use pdo |
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| 05:35.56 | freezer | http://paste.debian.net/49759 |
| 05:36.01 | freezer | what does this error mean? |
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| 05:37.20 | wols | freezer: it means you should ask the write of phctool.sh not us |
| 05:37.32 | wols | it's not debian software after all |
| 05:37.43 | wols | it's a simple file not found in your python app for something or other |
| 05:37.44 | freezer | wols: i did but no answer yet |
| 05:38.06 | wols | you won't get the answer here |
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| 05:38.09 | freezer | i created .phcstore.phc but no change |
| 05:38.16 | jeffwheeler | What good alarm clock software is available for Debian? |
| 05:39.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | kalarm |
| 05:39.44 | jetscreamer | !comfort wols |
| 05:39.44 | dpkg | There, there, wols. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:39.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | jetscreamer: Wow...how...personal |
| 05:40.00 | freezer | isn't there a way to debug this?? |
| 05:40.15 | jeffwheeler | Nobody uses Debian as an alarm clock, I guess? That's weird. |
| 05:40.19 | jetscreamer | jeffwheeler: xmms-alarm works for me |
| 05:40.30 | jetscreamer | krank it up |
| 05:40.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | jeffwheeler: apt-get install kalarm ? |
| 05:41.09 | jetscreamer | then there's always cron and a nice script |
| 05:41.15 | jetscreamer | zomg! |
| 05:41.40 | jeffwheeler | jetscreamer: hmm, isn't xmms a music player? I'm gonna try that |
| 05:41.46 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 05:41.57 | Xenguy | jeffwheeler: kalarm |
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| 05:41.59 | jetscreamer | i think it's going missing from sid |
| 05:42.08 | jetscreamer | still in etch at least |
| 05:42.13 | jetscreamer | !info xmms-alarm etch |
| 05:42.15 | jeffwheeler | I don't use kalarm, so I'm gonna try xmms-alarm first |
| 05:42.17 | dpkg | xmms-alarm: (xmms general plugin for using xmms as an alarm clock), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.7-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 86 kB |
| 05:42.20 | jeffwheeler | (I'm using sid.) |
| 05:42.25 | jetscreamer | !info xmms-alarm |
| 05:42.30 | dpkg | xmms-alarm: (xmms general plugin for using xmms as an alarm clock), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.7-1.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 05:42.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:42.52 | jetscreamer | omg 2kb larger!!! |
| 05:42.56 | loslalfos | anybody here tried (and succeeded) to restore 10-12 year old qic-80 backups from a floppy streamer using linux? ;) |
| 05:43.12 | jeffwheeler | really, a banshee alarm would be ideal, but meh |
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| 05:43.40 | wols | loslalfos: I remember there was linux software for them |
| 05:43.52 | jetscreamer | cron/script , script kranks all the alsa mixer levels up and cats /dev/urandom into /dev/dsp |
| 05:44.00 | wols | but if they were bad back then no matter what software. shitty hw |
| 05:44.06 | wols | -if |
| 05:44.30 | noohgodno | ok i'm started on a new computer right now |
| 05:44.35 | noohgodno | for a dedicated server |
| 05:44.39 | noohgodno | any tips on distros? |
| 05:44.53 | wols | noohgodno: just look where you are... |
| 05:44.58 | jetscreamer | since you ask, you had best use ubuntu-server |
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| 05:45.12 | jetscreamer | ooooooo |
| 05:45.18 | wols | jetscreamer: windows2000 professional! |
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| 05:45.55 | loslalfos | wols: yeah (shitty hardware). thanks anyway. :) |
| 05:46.15 | jetscreamer | i mean, if you gotta go... |
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| 05:46.31 | jetscreamer | at least it doesn't control you as much as xp |
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| 05:49.01 | loslalfos | wols: did you mean ftape-tools by any chance? |
| 05:49.02 | Spiritus55 | wols: been trying for a while now, still can't get libgpod3 to install.. |
| 05:49.09 | jeffwheeler | thanks for your help, everybody; kalarm seems to be the best, but I'm gonna stick with my Mac until I have a bit more time to play with them |
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| 05:50.49 | wols | info ftape-tools etch |
| 05:50.52 | wols | !info ftape-tools etch |
| 05:51.10 | VoltageX | hi, trying to get Debian set up on a Toshiba A200/K00 laptop - ethernet is not being detected or set up - it shows in lspci as an unknown Intel device but I believe it's a Realtek PCIE card... any ideas? |
| 05:51.13 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.32 | wols | !tell VoltageX about kmuto |
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| 05:51.34 | Spiritus55 | wols: think you could help me out real quick? |
| 05:51.39 | wols | VoltageX: lspci -n |
| 05:51.52 | wols | Spiritus55: ask a real question |
| 05:52.36 | VoltageX | wols: what am I looking for? remember I don't have internet so I can't copy paste from that box |
| 05:52.51 | Spiritus55 | wols, I'm trying to install libgpod3, but it has unment dependencies, and I can't seem to upgrade (or rather, I forgot how) to upgrade the certain programs on my machine that don't meet the dependencies.. |
| 05:52.53 | wols | loslalfos: lspci -n |
| 05:53.10 | wols | Spiritus55: I told you already what to do |
| 05:53.15 | wols | !tell Spiritus55 about simple sid backport |
| 05:53.29 | wols | mixing sid and etch breaks your debian. not supported |
| 05:53.44 | Spiritus55 | wols, that didn't work.. |
| 05:53.47 | Spiritus55 | I tried. |
| 05:53.53 | Spiritus55 | Or I did it wrong, I don't know.. it's late. |
| 05:53.55 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.00 | wols | !tell Spiritus55 about doesn't work |
| 05:54.02 | VoltageX | 03:00.0 0280: 8086:4229 (rev 61) is the network card wols |
| 05:54.12 | wols | VoltageX: it's not realtek it is intel |
| 05:54.12 | loslalfos | wols: won't help any because it (the hardware) s still laying on the table right in front of me... ;) |
| 05:54.29 | wols | loslalfos: what won't help? |
| 05:54.30 | Spiritus55 | wols, I put in the package name, and it didn't update or do anything. |
| 05:54.35 | VoltageX | ok, it's intel |
| 05:54.37 | VoltageX | now what? |
| 05:54.41 | Spiritus55 | "the child process failed" is the error message I got, wols. |
| 05:54.43 | wols | VoltageX: I already told you |
| 05:54.46 | wols | Spiritus55: and I told you too |
| 05:54.47 | loslalfos | wols lspci |
| 05:55.01 | VoltageX | wols: debian is already installed. |
| 05:55.25 | wols | loslalfos: srry was for someone else. also it wouldn't show up on lspci :) |
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| 05:55.39 | loslalfos | wols: exactly :D |
| 05:55.40 | wols | VoltageX: get a backports kernel |
| 05:56.28 | VoltageX | wols: 2.6.22 new enough? |
| 05:56.41 | wols | possibly., maybe, maybe not |
| 05:57.01 | VoltageX | wols: 2.6.22 is the newest in backports |
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| 05:57.23 | wols | yes, newer ones you have to backport yourself |
| 06:00.37 | loslalfos | wols: but it wouldn't surprise me if suddenly floppy streamers would be recognized as pci streamers. long live scsi emulation... ;) |
| 06:01.03 | wols | loslalfos: they never were, had their own devices |
| 06:01.23 | wols | and no one will write drivers for them anymore. you are luicky if the drivers are still in 2.6 kernels |
| 06:02.05 | loslalfos | wols: no luck needed. can compile on my own. ;) |
| 06:02.39 | wols | but etch doesn't support 2.4 anymore :) |
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| 06:04.10 | loslalfos | good point. if it's about some very old backups to restore i wouldn't even mind to install an old linux on a stand-alone computer... ;) |
| 06:04.57 | wols | loslalfos: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Ftape-HOWTO.html |
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| 06:05.45 | loslalfos | thank you very much! i didn't find *this* one yet... |
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| 06:06.48 | Obligatory | Kernel question: kernel modules versus kernel patches. Is there an advantage to a patch over a module? |
| 06:07.09 | loslalfos | wols: i know, i know. it's on tldp. shame on me! :) |
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| 06:11.46 | enouf | Obligatory: er, huh? if a module works and is not a security issue, why patch? |
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| 06:12.21 | Obligatory | enouf, well I was looking at some 'atop' kernel patches, and wondering why they aren't modules. |
| 06:12.49 | Obligatory | Aren't available as modules, that is. |
| 06:12.53 | enouf | because modules need first to be accepted into mainline? |
| 06:13.03 | Obligatory | enouf, mainline? |
| 06:13.08 | enouf | IOW, to become a module, that is, iinm |
| 06:13.20 | enouf | Y/n/m |
| 06:13.42 | enouf | mainline == stable kernel release |
| 06:13.45 | Obligatory | enouf, "iinnm"? |
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| 06:13.50 | enouf | !iinm |
| 06:13.50 | dpkg | iinm is, like, If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 06:14.12 | Obligatory | Why lower case? |
| 06:14.29 | enouf | i'm lazy? |
| 06:14.30 | Obligatory | Most acronyms are upper, oh well. |
| 06:15.12 | Supaplex | ymmv is why ;) |
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| 06:16.15 | Obligatory | enouf, well I'm down on patches because I'd need the kernel source, and updating that on dialup is slow. Alas... |
| 06:16.36 | enouf | you go girl |
| 06:17.15 | enouf | wget has a nice resume option ;-) |
| 06:17.48 | enouf | -c == continue , IIRC |
| 06:17.50 | Obligatory | enouf, you said modules need to be accepted in 'mainline', which is some kernel team term. What about stuff like nvidia? |
| 06:17.53 | enouf | better? |
| 06:18.21 | enouf | Obligatory: ya know, i really don't know, so ignore what i said |
| 06:18.31 | Obligatory | enouf, OK. |
| 06:19.14 | loslalfos | Obligatory, I always thought that nvidia and ati "drivers" aren't really kernel modules but "extensions" for the x server... |
| 06:19.29 | enouf | but afaik, nvidia only has some in kernel support due to NDAs? oh crap, i'll shutup now |
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| 06:19.48 | aghaster | Hi |
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| 06:20.17 | enouf | i just never thought any of this through really, not to mention i don't use, nor support 3rd party things like that |
| 06:20.37 | Obligatory | So anyway, it's easier for users to DL modules than kernel patches, so I'm wondering why some functions (like for 'atop') are distributed via patch. |
| 06:21.07 | Obligatory | Not saying the should be, just wondering why... |
| 06:21.13 | Obligatory | s/the/they/ |
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| 06:21.14 | aghaster | has anybody encountered the problem of having glxinfo saying Direct Rending: Yes while glxgears simply displays a black window, while outputting good FPS rates in the terminal? |
| 06:21.32 | Obligatory | aghaster, never that, no. |
| 06:21.43 | aghaster | any 3D application I try to run goes black :S |
| 06:22.27 | Obligatory | aghaster, just 3D, or openGL as well? |
| 06:22.39 | aghaster | how can I see the difference |
| 06:22.49 | Obligatory | Do you have 'gliv'? |
| 06:22.57 | loslalfos | Obligatory: I would say so, yes. (re: modules/patches) |
| 06:23.19 | Obligatory | loslalfos, "yes" to what? |
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| 06:23.35 | michael | damn im tired of patching lilo everytime i do a debian install |
| 06:23.53 | loslalfos | Obligatory: in direct answer to your last question. ;) |
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| 06:23.57 | michael | i always forget that it doesnt support xfs so i end up spending a week of hard work, till i remember it |
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| 06:24.01 | aghaster | okay, I installed gliv |
| 06:24.12 | michael | it just refuses to mount the rootfs |
| 06:24.47 | aghaster | if it is supposed to be able to load a picture, it just crashed |
| 06:24.53 | Obligatory | loslalfos, I can't remember my last question... Is there a way in 'xchat' to list only what my own lines, like for as long as it takes to check what I wrote? |
| 06:25.12 | Obligatory | aghaster, oy! |
| 06:25.23 | aghaster | well, gliv didn't crash, it simply isn't able to display it |
| 06:25.34 | aghaster | it is as if I saw what was behind the app instead of the pic |
| 06:25.50 | aghaster | so yeah something is wrong here |
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| 06:26.34 | loslalfos | Obligatory: i almost never use IRC so i'm almost an IRC virgin. maybe grep might help? ;) |
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| 06:27.02 | aghaster | http://rafb.net/p/CtqtY748.html here is my xorg.conf |
| 06:27.09 | Obligatory | loslalfos, too much work, I want a keystroke. |
| 06:27.27 | loslalfos | hehe |
| 06:27.37 | aghaster | http://rafb.net/p/CM6pnK95.html |
| 06:27.42 | aghaster | and here my Xorg.0.log |
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| 06:28.43 | Obligatory | aghaster, kinda short Module section, only 6 items. |
| 06:28.59 | aghaster | yeah but they still show up in Xorg.0.log |
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| 06:31.21 | Obligatory | aghaster, 'fglrx', well glad to see it's not 'nvidia'. Re Module section, mine has: bitmap dbe ddc extmod freetype glx int10 record type1 vbe v4l |
| 06:31.35 | aghaster | okay, I'll add those right away |
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| 06:34.19 | Obligatory | loslalfos, I scrolled back, so you were saying "yes I think there's an advantage to patches over modules"? |
| 06:34.29 | tlp | Hi. If unicode is enabled on my Debian console, line drawing characters break on FreeBSD via ssh (mutt threading shows mq>). If I disable it, it fixes the FreeBSD problem, but breaks line drawing characters on the local console. Any ideas? |
| 06:35.44 | Obligatory | tlp, wouldn't FreeBSD's ssh client also have to be unicode ready? |
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| 06:36.27 | tlp | you mean the terminal? I'm using Debian as the ssh client. |
| 06:36.58 | Obligatory | tlp, so freebsd is the ssh server. |
| 06:37.03 | tlp | right |
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| 06:38.22 | Obligatory | tlp, hmm, I was guessing as to what the ssh protocol sends. I don't know if its7-bin ASCII, or whether that can be configured to send different fonts or charsets or what. |
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| 06:38.43 | Obligatory | s/its7-bin/it's 7-bit/ |
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| 06:39.09 | voltagex | the backport .22 kernel still doesn't detect whatever this intel network card is |
| 06:39.36 | Obligatory | tlp, maybe it has nothing to do with BSD then, maybe it's an ssh client thing? |
| 06:40.10 | tlp | not sure where the problem is |
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| 06:40.56 | voltagex | what's with the clones? |
| 06:41.16 | Obligatory | voltagex, clones? |
| 06:41.45 | voltagex | fubu16s |
| 06:42.10 | Obligatory | voltagex, too telegraphic. |
| 06:42.23 | Obligatory | Oh. |
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| 06:42.36 | voltagex | there is fubu16_, __, ___, ____ etc |
| 06:42.36 | Obligatory | Is that a clone? |
| 06:42.45 | voltagex | do a /names |
| 06:44.23 | Obligatory | voltagex, aha, there are a bunch of those. What's with the clones? |
| 06:44.33 | voltagex | :P |
| 06:44.36 | voltagex | not mine |
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| 06:45.21 | voltagex | hmm, kernel panic on my idle box |
| 06:45.22 | Obligatory | 'chatzill'? Is it a chatzilla misconif/worm? |
| 06:45.48 | Obligatory | voltagex, bad memory? |
| 06:46.03 | voltagex | Obligatory: no, brand new box, had vista running fine |
| 06:46.27 | voltagex | Obligatory: it's a Toshiba A200/K00, hardly any of the hardware is supported :/ |
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| 06:46.36 | voltagex | something to do with acpi |
| 06:46.50 | voltagex | wait... not a kernel panic... some kind of debug after it disabled an IRQ? |
| 06:46.52 | Obligatory | oh, that'll be fun... |
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| 06:47.40 | Obligatory | Admin where are thee? |
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| 06:49.39 | Obligatory | voltagex, it occurs to me you're a pioneer! I get these old laptops at recycling, and then look up how to configure things online. The first generation owners really pave the way... |
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| 06:50.25 | voltagex | Obligatory: oh this isn't that new, been on the market for about a year |
| 06:50.35 | voltagex | Obligatory: but it seems to need the .24 kernel |
| 06:50.48 | voltagex | I *hope* I get an eth0 this time |
| 06:51.26 | Obligatory | I'm only used to 5 year old laptops. Last night I had Puppy Linux on an old thinkpad, and even the wifi card worked. |
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| 06:52.46 | voltagex | Obligatory: with the work going on for the rt2x00 wifi chipsets, a lot more wifi cards will work soon |
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| 06:53.49 | Obligatory | Sounds good to me... I think I'll write a "whoa" util. |
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| 06:55.01 | loslalfos | GNU whoa? ;) |
| 06:55.06 | Obligatory | Which is why that 'atop' kernel thing was of interest, come to think of it. |
| 06:55.24 | Obligatory | loslalfos, is there a 'whoa' already? |
| 06:55.43 | loslalfos | no, not that i know of... ;9 |
| 06:55.46 | loslalfos | ;) |
| 06:56.05 | Obligatory | good, I like that name. |
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| 06:58.25 | Obligatory | How it should work: some user process hogs 100% CPU. You type 'whoa', and hoggy process goes down to 50, 33, 25, haven't decided, but something like that. |
| 07:00.32 | loslalfos | shouldn't that either belong in the kernel or a cron job which runs 1000 times a second? ;9 |
| 07:00.38 | loslalfos | :9 |
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| 07:01.37 | Obligatory | loslalfos, nah, all the hard work has been done. It'll be a shell script that calls 'ps' or 'atop' to check which proggie is the pig. Once it gets that, it runs 'cpulimit'. Presto! (In thoery) |
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| 07:02.36 | noohgodno | gonna down a 40 before i start my DSL install |
| 07:04.00 | Obligatory | noohgodno, skoal. |
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| 07:04.28 | noohgodno | skoal? |
| 07:04.38 | noohgodno | like the tobacco? |
| 07:04.46 | Obligatory | "To your health!" |
| 07:07.14 | Obligatory | Is 'viewglob' worthwhile? |
| 07:07.39 | loslalfos | ask mark shuttleworth ;) |
| 07:09.22 | Obligatory | I'm asking YOU. |
| 07:10.41 | Obligatory | I'll just try it then... |
| 07:11.11 | loslalfos | i should really shut up but that "gag" was too good to not use it. you know... view globe... whatever... :) |
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| 07:12.13 | Obligatory | Beats me, but Mark & viewglob show up a lot together on a search. |
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| 07:16.37 | ciphernaut | hi is ipw2200 depereacted for 2.6.22 onwards? |
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| 07:21.47 | empiric | hi all to kill al process run by vmail |
| 07:21.48 | empiric | any idea |
| 07:21.49 | empiric | how |
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| 07:23.34 | marc7 | hey, since 4.0r1, have there been any changes to debian-installer that would wreck a preseeded install? |
| 07:23.54 | abchirk | HEy all. |
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| 07:29.38 | empiric | helo |
| 07:30.05 | shib | shalom |
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| 07:30.28 | Obligatory | empiric, maybe: 'killall -g vmail' |
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| 07:30.47 | empiric | if root is running some process then |
| 07:30.55 | empiric | i want to kill those |
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| 07:32.39 | loslalfos | empiric: you want to kill any of roots processes? |
| 07:33.03 | empiric | see root is running script in particular partition |
| 07:33.08 | empiric | thats partition is currupt |
| 07:33.17 | empiric | now i want to kill all those process |
| 07:33.24 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 07:33.32 | empiric | root 12509 0.0 0.1 2356 1028 ? Ss 12:22 0:00 /bin/sh -c /share/www/vhosts/eventum/data/misc/downup.sh |
| 07:33.42 | empiric | this script is running 100 times on my machine |
| 07:33.45 | empiric | want to kill that |
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| 07:35.07 | gold44 | . |
| 07:35.20 | Obligatory | empiric, 'man killall' |
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| 07:35.51 | gold44 | in /etc/apt/source.list, will 3 lines that refer to 3 dvd iso work for an non-internet machine? |
| 07:37.09 | Phil|ZZZzzz | yes, gold44 |
| 07:37.16 | Phil|ZZZzzz | providing you have the DVDs |
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| 07:38.47 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:39.04 | gold44 | Phil4: the 3 iso are located on /home |
| 07:39.21 | Phil4 | oh, right |
| 07:39.24 | Phil4 | then I don't know |
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| 07:39.40 | Obligatory | Big weirdness, this used to work: echo $PATH | tr : '\n' | rgrep -v '^\.$' |
| 07:39.53 | Obligatory | ...but right now it's eating gobs of memory. |
| 07:40.07 | loslalfos | dimir: who says it's morning wherever we live? ;) |
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| 07:42.57 | TheoDeRaadt | AceLan: Ping. |
| 07:43.00 | TheoDeRaadt | amphi: Ping. |
| 07:43.02 | TheoDeRaadt | ApEtc: Ping. |
| 07:43.07 | Notapingbot | o.O |
| 07:43.07 | TheoDeRaadt | CHC: Ping. |
| 07:43.09 | TheoDeRaadt | chii: Ping. |
| 07:43.13 | Notapingbot | Is he making fun of my name? |
| 07:43.13 | TheoDeRaadt | ddma: Ping. |
| 07:43.17 | TheoDeRaadt | Droolio: Ping. |
| 07:43.18 | Obligatory | Dang, even this acts strange: echo hello | rgrep -v '^\.$' |
| 07:43.20 | TheoDeRaadt | duckx: Ping. |
| 07:43.26 | TheoDeRaadt | DustyDingo: Ping. |
| 07:43.30 | TheoDeRaadt | fas3r: Ping. |
| 07:43.32 | TheoDeRaadt | ferret: Ping. |
| 07:43.33 | Notapingbot | \amethyst: Ping? |
| 07:43.34 | TheoDeRaadt | ewet: Ping. |
| 07:43.36 | TheoDeRaadt | elky: Ping. |
| 07:43.38 | Obligatory | TheoDeRaadt, get a room. |
| 07:43.41 | TheoDeRaadt | iiriix: Ping. |
| 07:43.46 | TheoDeRaadt | jmspeex: Ping. |
| 07:43.50 | enouf | wtf with the drive-bys? |
| 07:43.51 | TheoDeRaadt | kelt: Ping. |
| 07:43.55 | Notapingbot | a-atwood: ping? |
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| 07:43.56 | TheoDeRaadt | loxley_: Ping. |
| 07:44.01 | TheoDeRaadt | mikecc: Ping. |
| 07:44.02 | Notapingbot | Jaif: Ping? |
| 07:44.04 | TheoDeRaadt | mmirko: Ping. |
| 07:44.05 | enouf | STOP |
| 07:44.08 | TheoDeRaadt | path_: Ping. |
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| 07:44.14 | TheoDeRaadt | enouf: You're a virgin. |
| 07:44.17 | Notapingbot | regis1: Ping? |
| 07:44.18 | TheoDeRaadt | rahul: Ping. |
| 07:44.21 | TheoDeRaadt | riot: Ping. |
| 07:44.22 | enouf | !ops TheoDeRaadt is being an asshat |
| 07:44.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: TheoDeRaadt is being an asshat |
| 07:44.22 | Obligatory | Argh. |
| 07:44.23 | TheoDeRaadt | rmacd: Ping. |
| 07:44.28 | TheoDeRaadt | Saar: Ping. |
| 07:44.31 | TheoDeRaadt | sauvin: Ping. |
| 07:44.31 | Notapingbot | bob2: Ping? |
| 07:44.33 | TheoDeRaadt | ryty: Ping. |
| 07:44.37 | TheoDeRaadt | Strogg: Ping. |
| 07:44.38 | Notapingbot | HardDisk_WP: Ping? |
| 07:44.42 | TheoDeRaadt | stylus: Ping. |
| 07:44.42 | sauvin | What the frack? |
| 07:44.46 | TheoDeRaadt | vaq: Ping. |
| 07:44.47 | Notapingbot | Frack: Ping!! |
| 07:44.51 | TheoDeRaadt | XSoul: Ping! |
| 07:44.56 | TheoDeRaadt | {devil}: Ping. |
| 07:44.57 | TheoDeRaadt | Zygo: Ping. |
| 07:45.00 | TheoDeRaadt | zumbi: Ping. |
| 07:45.00 | Obligatory | Must be some script gone wrong. |
| 07:45.03 | TheoDeRaadt | zarac: Ping. |
| 07:45.07 | TheoDeRaadt | zwox: Ping. |
| 07:45.11 | TheoDeRaadt | yure: Ping. |
| 07:45.12 | Notapingbot | Obligatory: I doubt it. |
| 07:45.12 | sauvin | Whatever, how are ops in this channel paged? |
| 07:45.14 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.15 | TheoDeRaadt | y7: Ping. |
| 07:45.18 | troubled | TheoDeRaadt: please stop |
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| 07:45.34 | TheoDeRaadt | tdn: Ping. |
| 07:45.36 | TheoDeRaadt | SlackDeb: Ping. |
| 07:45.38 | TheoDeRaadt | slummer: Ping. |
| 07:45.41 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:45.42 | TheoDeRaadt | Wait, what? |
| 07:45.42 | Obligatory | Notapingbot, virus/worm? |
| 07:45.42 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:45.52 | TheoDeRaadt | Son1c: Ping. |
| 07:45.55 | Notapingbot | Nope, just general assholery. |
| 07:45.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.01 | TheoDeRaadt | row: Ping. |
| 07:46.05 | TheoDeRaadt | pipeline: Ping. |
| 07:46.08 | TheoDeRaadt | piju: Ping. |
| 07:46.10 | sauvin | Never attribute to viruses/worms what can be adequately explained by an idiot with a scriptable client. |
| 07:46.13 | troubled | enouf: still doesnt solve the underlying problem :/ |
| 07:46.16 | TheoDeRaadt | p0g0_: Ping. |
| 07:46.20 | TheoDeRaadt | omry: Ping. |
| 07:46.21 | Notapingbot | enouf: You'll now ignore everyone from mibbit. =S |
| 07:46.25 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:46.35 | enouf | troubled: why do you think i did ops |
| 07:46.36 | piju | TheoDeRaadt; hey |
| 07:46.38 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:46.39 | TheoDeRaadt | n3kl: Ping. |
| 07:46.41 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:46.43 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:46.45 | TheoDeRaadt | muh2000: Ping. |
| 07:46.48 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:46.49 | TheoDeRaadt | Notapingbot: WHAT?! |
| 07:46.50 | troubled | enouf: i know. just carrying on the conversation :) heya |
| 07:46.55 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Hello. |
| 07:46.59 | TheoDeRaadt | Hey! |
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| 07:47.02 | omry | TheoDeRaadt,, are you a bot? |
| 07:47.02 | Obligatory | TheoDeRaadt, hey. |
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| 07:47.09 | TheoDeRaadt | Phusion: Ping. |
| 07:47.11 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Hello. |
| 07:47.13 | Notapingbot | TheoDeRaadt: Ping |
| 07:47.15 | rox | oops, this is not good at all |
| 07:47.28 | Notapingbot | (Fighting fire with fire) |
| 07:47.41 | troubled | Notapingbot: please don't |
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| 07:47.55 | Notapingbot | Well, I'm bored. |
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| 07:47.58 | Obligatory | Is it over? |
| 07:48.04 | troubled | Notapingbot: a staffer coming in here might just hit you in a kick ban accidently |
| 07:48.06 | streuner | use ignore |
| 07:48.07 | dimir | \o/ |
| 07:48.11 | piju | ;) |
| 07:48.14 | streuner | dont feed the troll |
| 07:48.17 | marc7 | streuner: agreed. |
| 07:48.52 | omry | or better yet, poison it. |
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| 07:49.05 | Obligatory | Anyway, I'm getting endless output with: echo hello | rgrep -v '^\.$' |
| 07:49.31 | omry | try a different shell. |
| 07:50.16 | Obligatory | omry, nope, zsh, dash, bash all do it. |
| 07:50.27 | omry | so try a different grep :) |
| 07:50.31 | sauvin | (echo hello) | rgrep -v '^\.$' |
| 07:50.33 | Obligatory | When I pipe it to 'wc -l' it runs out of memory. |
| 07:50.40 | troubled | Obligatory: ? |
| 07:50.49 | Obligatory | troubled, yah? |
| 07:50.50 | marc7 | any idea why I'm getting MD5 mismatches from mirrors.kernel.org on a debian-installer? the whole process seems to have been wrecked recently somehow |
| 07:50.50 | sauvin | I got precisely ONE 'hello' and an immediate termination. |
| 07:50.53 | troubled | Obligatory: did you copy/paste it here 100% accurately? |
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| 07:50.55 | loslalfos | ... you could control the frequency/amount of output if you cat from /dev/random... ;) |
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| 07:51.31 | Obligatory | troubled, yes. |
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| 07:52.07 | marc7 | seriously... what is this "no kernel modules were found" error that's started coming up recently? |
| 07:52.11 | Obligatory | sauvin, yeah that's what it sould do. |
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| 07:52.27 | sauvin | Obligatory, that's what I got. I didn't try it without the parens. |
| 07:52.29 | jnguy | Hello everyone. I'm having a weird problem. When I hold down a key, it doesn't repeat... Is there some setting I need to change in Xorg? |
| 07:52.41 | troubled | Obligatory: debian stable? |
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| 07:52.51 | Obligatory | troubled, unstable. |
| 07:53.01 | troubled | nouf said |
| 07:53.10 | sauvin | Wow... when I tried that WITHOUT the parens, evil things happened! |
| 07:53.14 | enouf | (echo hello) | rgrep -v '^\.$ or echo hello | rgrep -v '^\.$ == 1 hello |
| 07:53.15 | troubled | Obligatory: try take out the extra space on the pipe? |
| 07:53.21 | enouf | not here |
| 07:53.25 | Obligatory | sauvin, what are you getting? Tell me more! |
| 07:54.06 | sauvin | And now I can't duplicate it. |
| 07:54.14 | troubled | marc7: got a specific file thats failing for us to check? |
| 07:54.20 | enouf | try yes hello ;-P no don't |
| 07:54.27 | sauvin | It works the way I'd have thought it should. The only reason I gave a version with parens was because I'm not certain how echo works. |
| 07:54.45 | Obligatory | troubled, why would a space change anything? |
| 07:55.01 | marc7 | troubled: i have a more accurate question, was debian-installer recently updated as part of 4.0r2? it's introduced several problems for me. |
| 07:55.05 | enouf | Obligatory: bash --version |
| 07:55.13 | piju | anyone can offer me debian tshirt ? |
| 07:55.25 | troubled | Obligatory: it should work to begin with, just curious if it was sort of bash parse error/bug, but i see you tried other shells so nm |
| 07:55.25 | Obligatory | enouf, 3.1.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 07:55.28 | enouf | GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 07:55.53 | enouf | your SHELLOPTS or something is screwy, set or something |
| 07:56.05 | enouf | ask in #bash |
| 07:56.07 | Obligatory | troubled, it's /usr/bin/rgrep |
| 07:56.15 | enouf | symlink |
| 07:56.20 | Obligatory | enouf, you asked the version #, not the whole line. |
| 07:56.31 | troubled | marc7: every time a new rev comes out, you would get a new set of packages, else its not a new rev |
| 07:56.37 | enouf | eww, it isn't |
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| 07:56.42 | enouf | it's a hardlink? |
| 07:57.00 | marc7 | troubled: so I need to take up my issue with the debian-installer guys |
| 07:57.05 | enouf | $ find /usr/bin -samefile /usr/bin/rgrep |
| 07:57.07 | enouf | /usr/bin/rgrep |
| 07:57.10 | enouf | nope |
| 07:57.17 | Obligatory | sauvin, so what one-shot evil did you see before? |
| 07:57.33 | sauvin | Lockup. |
| 07:57.36 | troubled | marc7: if you give an exact error paste, someone here might be able to help. or at least verify the checksum mismatch |
| 07:57.52 | cmanns | How do I move files server to server recrusive so i dont have to tar gz the data |
| 07:57.55 | enouf | marc7: somewhat yes |
| 07:58.20 | enouf | see if you can track down your issue http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 start with that one i guess |
| 07:58.25 | cmanns | I only have ftp btw |
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| 07:58.44 | marc7 | troubled: the "MD5 mismatch" isn't as pressing an issue, I pointed to ftp.us.debian.org and that sorted the problem. the issue at hand is that I'm netbooting debian-installer to deploy across a server environment, nothing has changed on my end, and it's stopped working with the recent revision. specifically it won't detect my SCSI disks anymore. |
| 07:58.46 | Obligatory | enouf, my 'rgrep' passed 'debsums'. "crc32 /usr/bin/rgrep" returns 6949d8db |
| 07:59.09 | Obligatory | sauvin, any output, or just lockup? |
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| 07:59.14 | marc7 | which probably has to do with the 2.6.18-6 kernel. |
| 07:59.18 | enouf | ask in #bash |
| 07:59.34 | enouf | i don't even know what you're seeing |
| 07:59.45 | Obligatory | enouf, why in #bash? 'rgrep' isn't bash. |
| 08:00.11 | Obligatory | Furthermore it's shell independent. |
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| 08:00.21 | troubled | Obligatory: what happens when you try something like: echo test | grep -v "foo" ? |
| 08:00.24 | enouf | how about readlink -f /bin/bash |
| 08:00.32 | enouf | how about echo $SHELL |
| 08:00.40 | Obligatory | troubled, works fine. |
| 08:00.44 | troubled | Obligatory: just making sure its rgrep, thats all |
| 08:01.03 | enouf | you're likely using dash or somesuch |
| 08:01.16 | troubled | Obligatory: strace echo test | rgrep ....? |
| 08:01.20 | enouf | how about readlink -f /bin/sh too |
| 08:01.24 | enouf | and on ubuntu |
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| 08:01.33 | troubled | Obligatory: if its stuck in a loop, strace should flood you with pages of it prolly |
| 08:01.41 | Obligatory | enouf, it's not a shell thing. |
| 08:01.59 | Jygzygyzel | lol VNC protocol has a 8 character password limit |
| 08:02.00 | enouf | sauvin: you're on Etch? |
| 08:02.01 | Obligatory | troubled, is there a way to limit ... wait I know a way, hold on... |
| 08:02.03 | Jygzygyzel | nice security! |
| 08:02.13 | sauvin | enouf: yes. |
| 08:02.21 | enouf | ok, so you don't count ;-) |
| 08:02.34 | troubled | Obligatory: aside from some pipe/redirect voodoo, strace has lots of options for that kinda stuff |
| 08:02.39 | sauvin | When does lenny release? |
| 08:02.57 | troubled | Obligatory: generally i find it nice to 2>&1 | tee /tmp/log, or similar |
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| 08:03.19 | Obligatory | troubled, gimme a minute... |
| 08:03.25 | troubled | np, hope it helps |
| 08:04.59 | enouf | sauvin: besides, echo is /bin/echo not the bash builtin, well atleast for when find calls echo :-P |
| 08:05.07 | enouf | marc7: and troubled "(for example netboot and floppy images) included with the original Etch release will no longer work" |
| 08:05.17 | enouf | i told you to read |
| 08:05.29 | marc7 | enouf: read from where? |
| 08:05.41 | enouf | [02:54:12] <enouf> marc7: somewhat yes |
| 08:05.42 | enouf | [02:54:38] <enouf> see if you can track down your issue http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 start with that one i guess |
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| 08:05.48 | marc7 | i'm having trouble reaching times.debian.net. |
| 08:06.27 | enouf | there's changelogs elsewhere i'm sure |
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| 08:06.38 | sauvin | I'm not having trouble. I'm just not able to reach times.debian.net at all. |
| 08:06.41 | gold44 | i have all three dvd iso files in |
| 08:06.42 | gold44 | /home/disk/dvd1.iso |
| 08:06.44 | gold44 | /home/disk/dvd2.iso |
| 08:06.46 | gold44 | /home/disk/dvd3.iso |
| 08:06.48 | gold44 | how do i tell apt-get install to use them? |
| 08:06.58 | enouf | gold44: where'd you go? |
| 08:07.03 | enouf | apt-cdrom |
| 08:07.15 | enouf | i tried telling you this and you left |
| 08:07.20 | enouf | !apt-cdrom |
| 08:07.20 | dpkg | i heard apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
| 08:07.22 | gold44 | enouf: oh... sorry |
| 08:07.35 | gold44 | i ran off to fix the machine |
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| 08:07.46 | enouf | ok |
| 08:07.54 | Obligatory | troubled, aha! It's gotta be a bug. You need grep v2.5.3~dfsg-4 for it. 2/16 Changelog says: rgrep: Make . the default when no file or directory names given. |
| 08:08.00 | troubled | enouf: apt-cdrom handles iso's? neat, didnt know that |
| 08:08.04 | gold44 | enouf: do i need to edit /etc/apt/source.list? |
| 08:08.06 | Obligatory | So breaks piping. |
| 08:08.08 | enouf | wait |
| 08:08.17 | enouf | yea, debian ones, what else? |
| 08:08.26 | troubled | Obligatory: i dont run sid unfortunately |
| 08:08.31 | gold44 | enouf: i didn't burn all 3 to dvdr(s). only the 1st dvd |
| 08:08.34 | enouf | wait what? |
| 08:08.37 | Obligatory | Call for SID users! |
| 08:08.54 | enouf | oh, i dunno for sure, i guess you might be able to loop mount the isos |
| 08:08.55 | Obligatory | Any 'sid' users here? |
| 08:09.01 | troubled | Obligatory: have you tried strace though? might give you a lower level understanding of the problem |
| 08:09.52 | gold44 | enouf: well, i still need some sort of way to tell source.list right? |
| 08:10.01 | enouf | sure |
| 08:10.02 | Obligatory | troubled, look at the changlog I quoted. No need to go low level. |
| 08:10.27 | enouf | man apt-cdrom, just tell it your /mnt/point2 and /mnt/point3 |
| 08:10.28 | Obligatory | Guess nobody runs 'sid'... |
| 08:10.32 | enouf | i suppose |
| 08:10.40 | troubled | Obligatory: sorry, didnt know what to make of what "." meant |
| 08:10.55 | enouf | PWD |
| 08:11.02 | Obligatory | troubled, it's shell for current dir. |
| 08:11.09 | troubled | Obligatory: have you tried something like: echo test | rgrep -v "^\.$" - ? |
| 08:11.15 | enouf | echo $PWD |
| 08:11.22 | enouf | or just `pwd` |
| 08:11.55 | troubled | Obligatory: i know what "." means in the context of a fs, just not sure if they were refering to file descriptors etc. |
| 08:12.11 | Obligatory | troubled, not a hyphen, but if you do this you'll see how it goes: echo test | rgrep -v "^\.$" `pwd` |
| 08:12.27 | enouf | aha! |
| 08:12.29 | troubled | Obligatory: try -, see if that works too, curious |
| 08:12.47 | Obligatory | troubled, no a hyphen doesn't do anything bad. |
| 08:12.58 | troubled | Obligatory: did it work as expected though? |
| 08:13.10 | Obligatory | Thanks though, it'll get me by in the meantime. |
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| 08:13.23 | Obligatory | troubled, Yes, the hyphen works as expected. |
| 08:13.37 | troubled | Obligatory: ok, now i understand the context of the changelog :) |
| 08:13.50 | Obligatory | I'm off to the BTS... |
| 08:13.57 | troubled | Obligatory: file a bug report....nm :) gl |
| 08:14.25 | Obligatory | will do. |
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| 08:15.43 | gold44 | enouf: thx |
| 08:15.55 | sauvin | times.debian.net is down. |
| 08:16.26 | piju | anyone can offer me debian tshirt ? |
| 08:16.26 | troubled | sauvin: pings fine, you mean http? |
| 08:16.39 | sauvin | Yes. |
| 08:16.41 | enouf | gold44: working? |
| 08:17.10 | gold44 | enouf: i didn't try yet reading more stuff. machine is down stairs |
| 08:17.26 | troubled | sauvin: i concur |
| 08:20.33 | enouf | gold44: should be fine |
| 08:20.34 | enouf | SYNOPSIS |
| 08:20.34 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.43 | enouf | see /mnt/point ? |
| 08:21.09 | enouf | do you know how to -o loop mount ISOs? |
| 08:21.13 | enouf | !loop |
| 08:21.13 | dpkg | loops are BAD! |
| 08:21.17 | enouf | haha |
| 08:21.28 | gold44 | enouf: yes, i know -o loop |
| 08:21.28 | enouf | !mount cdrom |
| 08:21.28 | dpkg | If everything is working well, then just "mount /dev/cdrom"; otherwise, you can "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /media/cdrom" where /dev/hdX (or /dev/sdX) is your cd-device. See man mount for more information or ask me about <automount> or <iso mount>. |
| 08:21.36 | enouf | ok ;-) |
| 08:21.50 | troubled | hehe @ loops are BAD! |
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| 08:22.07 | enouf | but fruityloops == good O.o |
| 08:22.21 | gold44 | enouf: but how do i know if it's actually working? i don't know what's in dvd1.iso, like i want to install an apt from dvd1 |
| 08:22.27 | troubled | !losetup |
| 08:22.33 | troubled | :/ |
| 08:22.49 | enouf | gold44: it doesn't matter what's where, and all 3 are mounted |
| 08:23.02 | enouf | as long as all 3 are mounted i mean |
| 08:23.20 | enouf | !cd contents |
| 08:23.20 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 08:23.39 | troubled | gold44: anyways: losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/dvd1.iso ; mount /dev/loop0 /mnt ; <use....> ; umount /mnt ; losetup -d /dev/loop0 |
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| 08:24.21 | gold44 | ok, i run down stairs now to try |
| 08:24.33 | troubled | lrn2network.... |
| 08:24.34 | enouf | troubled: he needs to feed that info to apt-cdrom |
| 08:24.51 | enouf | troubled: not to mention he needs some mkdir /mnt/points |
| 08:25.00 | troubled | enouf: thats where <use....> part was for :) |
| 08:25.08 | gold44 | probably sshd is on dvd1 |
| 08:25.35 | troubled | enouf: why dont i make him up a nice ncurses gui in 4lines or less while im at it too.... ;) |
| 08:25.37 | enouf | he doesn't need to umount though troubled |
| 08:25.43 | enouf | he needs 3 mounts |
| 08:26.07 | troubled | i gather that, but i was hoping he could figure it out from there and save me extra typing |
| 08:26.10 | enouf | 3 different /mnt/points and 3 loop devices 0 1 2 |
| 08:26.25 | gold44 | troubled: please whip up a script just incase, now i run downstairs |
| 08:26.33 | troubled | lol |
| 08:26.47 | troubled | git goin' |
| 08:26.50 | enouf | troubled: i know - you're just being helpful, i'm trying to clarify :-P |
| 08:27.00 | troubled | enouf: leave me alone! ;p |
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| 08:27.34 | troubled | *tear* |
| 08:27.59 | marc7 | enouf: found the link to the lenny debian-installer image as part of the etch-4.0r3 installation docs... threw that on our jumpstart server and the install is now carrying out as it previously did. your advice warmed my heart. thank you for pointing me in the right direction :) |
| 08:28.24 | enouf | gold44: make sure loop is modprobed and isofs and iso9660 are too , lsmod will tell you |
| 08:29.15 | enouf | marc7: ok ;-) |
| 08:29.15 | simonrvn | troubled: kwe kwe |
| 08:29.15 | troubled | simonrvn: chaiyya chaiyya! |
| 08:29.16 | simonrvn | :D |
| 08:29.16 | troubled | XD |
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| 08:30.24 | loslalfos | why exactly are 'loops' bad? |
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| 08:30.44 | troubled | possibly refering to infinite loops in code |
| 08:30.57 | enouf | heh, might as well mount something unrelated on loop0 just to keep loop1 with dvd.iso1 , etc O_o |
| 08:31.26 | enouf | tastes just like grub ~ |
| 08:31.37 | troubled | enouf: i swear were going to have a full blown app made for him if you dont cut it out! |
| 08:31.40 | enouf | for loops |
| 08:31.46 | enouf | hehe |
| 08:32.01 | kunsi | hmm, i set up a backup-mailserver, how to test it? |
| 08:32.15 | troubled | kunsi: mail command? |
| 08:32.28 | enouf | pull the plug on the main one? |
| 08:32.41 | Obligatory | Maybe I'm wrong, but that 'rgrep' thing seems like a feature. I was rereading bug 414168, and realized I'd always thought the 'r' in 'rgrep' meant 'regular expression', but it's 'recursive' instead. |
| 08:32.42 | troubled | or that... |
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| 08:32.57 | enouf | Obligatory: yes, grep -r |
| 08:33.07 | kunsi | yeah the simplest way would be stopping the main server |
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| 08:33.12 | enouf | the r in grep means regex |
| 08:33.31 | troubled | -R is the recursive iirc |
| 08:33.37 | troubled | s/the/teh/ ;) |
| 08:33.38 | enouf | grand reg ex parser -- so the r and e :-) |
| 08:33.49 | enouf | er, grand? er global |
| 08:34.03 | troubled | enouf: always wondered what that stood for, ta |
| 08:34.12 | enouf | Global Regular Expression Parser |
| 08:34.25 | troubled | make up your mind |
| 08:34.26 | Obligatory | Well the point is it's not a bug -- rather I was using 'rgrep' like it was 'egrep'. |
| 08:34.40 | enouf | dpkg say i'm sticking to it! |
| 08:34.40 | dpkg | i'm sticking to it! |
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| 08:34.52 | troubled | Obligatory: sorry, your example was so simple, we didnt know :) |
| 08:34.57 | loslalfos | sooo... loopback mounts aren't evil, i knew it! ;) i always shiver when people state that such and such is so and so without further explanation. like "xfs can't be dd'ed... :) |
| 08:35.09 | troubled | Obligatory: see, it _is_ a feature, not a bug ;) |
| 08:36.01 | troubled | loslalfos: why cant you dd xfs? |
| 08:36.12 | enouf | loop mounts are safe - always were - it's file seen as a block device - make sure when doing that, you mount ro though ;-O |
| 08:36.21 | troubled | loslalfos: on nm, you meant as an example, my bad |
| 08:36.26 | loslalfos | i didn't say i can't... |
| 08:36.31 | enouf | ISOs always are ro |
| 08:36.35 | loslalfos | exactly ;) |
| 08:36.35 | rox | i installed compiz and configured fce and kde to use it, but in neither DE compiz functions. furthermore, it doesn't even make windows title bar and window decorations are missing |
| 08:36.46 | rox | s/fce/xfce/ |
| 08:36.47 | enouf | even though my 'mount' output shows rw |
| 08:37.13 | enouf | if you pass hte ro option at mount time, it'll show correctly |
| 08:37.14 | Obligatory | troubled, I didn't know either. Well I'll go change my script instead of reporting a feature. |
| 08:38.08 | troubled | Obligatory: would have been something to laugh about down the road for sure ;) |
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| 08:38.18 | rox | has anybody installed compiz in sid and has solved the problem of no window decorations |
| 08:38.52 | enouf | troubled: haha |
| 08:38.53 | enouf | 0000000: 2321 2f62 696e 2f73 680a 0a65 7865 6320 #!/bin/sh..exec |
| 08:38.54 | enouf | 0000010: 6772 6570 202d 7220 2224 4022 0a0a grep -r "$@".. |
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| 08:38.59 | loslalfos | enouf: you bet i will. how else could i work with data which are "insde" of an encrypted file... ;) |
| 08:39.10 | enouf | that's hex of /usr/bin/rgrep |
| 08:39.15 | Obligatory | Well, it's not my first false alarm... |
| 08:39.16 | troubled | enouf: lol |
| 08:39.46 | troubled | enouf: maybe Obligatory should submit a patch and fix it? ;) |
| 08:40.00 | enouf | dpkg what do you think? |
| 08:40.01 | dpkg | Here's 30 cents. Go ask someone who cares. |
| 08:40.06 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:40.08 | troubled | heh |
| 08:40.29 | troubled | enouf: tbh, i think the hexdump was bigger than the file |
| 08:42.28 | enouf | i actually know what Obligatory feels like i guess - i always seem to find bugs that only affect me .. that is, until i talk to others about it in great detail, and after much pain |
| 08:42.52 | simonrvn | printf "%b" '\0057var\0057cache\0057apt\0057archives' |
| 08:43.06 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 08:43.25 | troubled | enouf: i think thats anyone who uses computers tbh |
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| 08:43.32 | simonrvn | THAT'S A BUG U FUX0RZ!!!111!!!!11!! |
| 08:43.49 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 08:44.19 | troubled | simonrvn: potty mouth... |
| 08:44.22 | enouf | rox: maybe since compiz is a WM you need to tell your other ones to bugger off? |
| 08:44.34 | simonrvn | --replace IIRC |
| 08:44.36 | enouf | rox: maybe #compiz-fusion can help? |
| 08:44.39 | rox | enouf: i did |
| 08:45.20 | enouf | rox: not sure if your DM matters, but to reconfigure that, dpkg-reconfigure dm where is x or k or g or w or |
| 08:45.40 | Obligatory | Many computer (and general) complaints are from using the wrong name. |
| 08:45.47 | simonrvn | no it doesn't |
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| 08:46.49 | enouf | simonrvn: printf "%b" '\0057var\0057cache\0057apt\0057archives\n' ? |
| 08:46.54 | rox | enouf: i do not use a DM |
| 08:47.10 | enouf | rox: oh, then perhaps all your X stuff |
| 08:47.14 | enouf | !Xsession |
| 08:47.14 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 08:47.21 | enouf | !Xinit |
| 08:47.25 | enouf | !xinit |
| 08:47.28 | enouf | !xinitrc |
| 08:47.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 08:47.34 | simonrvn | enouf: i was kidding, hence the skript kiddie typing |
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| 08:47.48 | enouf | simonrvn: doh |
| 08:48.13 | simonrvn | @comfort enouf |
| 08:48.15 | rox | enouf: i have reconfigured both xfce and kde to use compiz, but it functions in neither - i ditched kde then |
| 08:48.15 | ravenbird | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:48.36 | enouf | rox: attaboy \o/ |
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| 08:48.48 | enouf | !beer simonrvn |
| 08:48.51 | rox | is anybody here who has successfully used compiz in sid? |
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| 08:49.02 | simonrvn | kde will do it on its own... set that up in window behaviour iirc... xfwm4 can also do it |
| 08:49.39 | simonrvn | though they're not compiss-confuzzled |
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| 08:50.15 | simonrvn | er, s,kde,kwin, |
| 08:50.17 | rox | if compiz is known to be broken in sid, it would be nice if somebody told me |
| 08:50.29 | simonrvn | rox: that's why the bts exists |
| 08:50.36 | simonrvn | !btssmite rox |
| 08:50.57 | rox | simonrvn: don't you think i have searched it? |
| 08:51.05 | enouf | !break rox |
| 08:51.11 | simonrvn | no, since you're bitching in here |
| 08:51.26 | Obligatory | Well I just tried 'viewglob', and it's not so bad, but after closing it my backspace doesn't work. (Only in the launcing terminal tab tho'.) |
| 08:51.28 | rox | simonrvn: i am not bitching, i am asking for information |
| 08:51.32 | enouf | well, not really bitching, until ,... oh nm |
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| 08:52.30 | rox | enouf: that's better |
| 08:53.22 | Obligatory | Aha, it started a new shell, and exiting that my backspace works again. |
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| 08:55.02 | simonrvn | rox: not until "...it would be nice if somebody told me" anyway :) |
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| 08:56.13 | rox | simonrvn: why can't you just be quiet if you (can't|won't) answer a question? |
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| 08:56.28 | jim_p | !mplayer |
| 08:56.28 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html, or http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html, http://wiki.multimedia.cx/?title=MPlayer_FAQ, #mplayer on irc.freenode.net |
| 08:56.56 | simonrvn | rox: how about you fuck off then, instead. |
| 08:57.00 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
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| 08:57.38 | rox | simonrvn: oh, how kind of you |
| 08:58.17 | loslalfos | how to filter out non-grownup-stuff here? ;) |
| 08:58.22 | jim_p | anyone knowing how can i change mplayer's font for osd and subtitles? I tried through the preferences menu but the font remains the same |
| 08:58.42 | Obligatory | loslalfos, what'd be left? |
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| 08:59.14 | loslalfos | Obligatory: a faint LOL in my own mind, I guess. :) |
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| 08:59.41 | rox | jim_p: you set it in the config file in ~/.mplayer |
| 08:59.56 | Obligatory | loslalfos, how can you laugh out LOUD in you own mind? That's kinda Tony Perkins man... |
| 08:59.57 | GhostlyDeath | If I run an app that uses malloc and it segfaults, will the memory it allocated be free? |
| 09:00.14 | GhostlyDeath | freed* |
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| 09:00.32 | loslalfos | Obligatory: There is no spoon... :) |
| 09:00.37 | simonrvn | jim_p: the config file is how you you do it, IIRC |
| 09:00.47 | xingu | GhostInTheShell: yes |
| 09:00.53 | enouf | jim_p: iirc, it's ~/.mplayer/mplayer.conf - one sec - there's an ex file somewhere installed - you copy that to ~ and edit to your liking |
| 09:01.00 | jim_p | i set it from the user interface |
| 09:01.12 | GhostlyDeath | xingu: thanks |
| 09:01.17 | GhostlyDeath | =P |
| 09:01.31 | VoltageX | hi, just installed .24, now debian kernel panics on boot saying cannot mount root fs |
| 09:01.38 | enouf | $ ls ./.mplayer/config it is jim_p |
| 09:01.45 | VoltageX | I've compiled in filesystem support... no idea what's going wrong |
| 09:01.48 | xingu | GhostInTheShell: detail's a bit complicated; have a look at brk(2) |
| 09:01.56 | Obligatory | VoltageX, how was the 40? |
| 09:02.03 | rox | jim_p: you can also use the -subfont command line parameter. see the manpage |
| 09:02.20 | simonrvn | loslalfos: no one tells me to shut up, especially when i was trying to make it clear that i made an error in over-generalising |
| 09:02.34 | simonrvn | rox: *hint* ^^^ |
| 09:02.34 | VoltageX | Obligatory: what? |
| 09:02.43 | troubled | simonrvn: tempting ;) |
| 09:02.44 | jim_p | font_name = "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial.ttf" |
| 09:02.53 | enouf | jim_p: look at /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf.debconf-old if you have one |
| 09:02.54 | loslalfos | simonrvn: oh, c'mon. just shut up! :D |
| 09:03.10 | simonrvn | dpkg-old |
| 09:03.17 | xingu | GhostInTheShell: the cliff notes version is that the allocation is attached to the _process_; once the process goes, so too does its address map; the kernel deals with mapped, unmapped, and shared _virtual_ addresses - mapped/unmapped/shared-into, physical ones. |
| 09:03.57 | xingu | GhostInTheShell: so once the process is gone, so is its address map, and any _physical_ allocation is at that point reclaimable |
| 09:04.13 | xingu | GhostInTheShell: ... because the corresponding page table entries are dropped |
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| 09:05.00 | enouf | you know too much :-P |
| 09:05.03 | legendi | re, I want to create a cvs user that is not a real system user, just can access the cvs repo |
| 09:05.08 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 09:05.11 | jim_p | enouf: t says SANS :| |
| 09:05.20 | GhostlyDeath | xingu: btw, I am GhostlyDeath |
| 09:05.24 | simonrvn | xingu: damn, that's from so long ago it's not even in my /lastlog |
| 09:05.27 | legendi | created a passwd file in CVSROOT but it seems I can't make it working ;] |
| 09:05.43 | enouf | eww , i don't know - i suppose you also have gmplayer? |
| 09:05.44 | xingu | GhostlyDeath: whoops. :) |
| 09:06.02 | VoltageX | what have I missed that would make debian unable to boot? |
| 09:06.09 | enouf | go to #mplayer, they'll tell you to grab their svn and compile it |
| 09:06.12 | enouf | have fun ;-) |
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| 09:06.24 | simonrvn | !gentoosmite enouf |
| 09:06.28 | loslalfos | xingu: a beer at 10 am? ;) |
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| 09:07.01 | GhostlyDeath | The new Clearlooks is nice! |
| 09:07.12 | GhostlyDeath | Always had to use another theme because it looked bad |
| 09:07.20 | enouf | O_o |
| 09:07.26 | rox | VoltageX: can you tell anything more about the error you get? |
| 09:07.39 | webPrag\Laptop | where is stuff like ab.exe located on debian for apache? |
| 09:07.41 | jim_p | i am not that good in compiling stuff |
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| 09:08.03 | troubled | simonrvn: im curious, is 0.7% a realistic value? or they just pull it out of a hat i wonder? |
| 09:08.06 | simonrvn | webPrag\Laptop: go install windows |
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| 09:08.20 | simonrvn | troubled: it's random |
| 09:08.23 | gold44_ | enouf: still have little more work to do |
| 09:08.35 | webPrag\Laptop | simonrvn: smartass much? |
| 09:08.45 | simonrvn | webPrag\Laptop: not often, no |
| 09:08.49 | webPrag\Laptop | oh ok cool |
| 09:08.52 | webPrag\Laptop | ab.whatever |
| 09:08.57 | gold44_ | enouf: can you paste your /etc/apt/source.list on the web? or anyone |
| 09:08.58 | troubled | !literal cmd: gentoosmite (.*?) |
| 09:08.58 | dpkg | "cmd: gentoosmite (.*?)" is "($1): <action> spends (5|6|7|8|9) (days|weeks) recompiling $1, and when it's all done, $1 runs ((1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10)% slower|no faster|0.(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)% faster) than previously" |
| 09:09.04 | troubled | so it is |
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| 09:09.28 | enouf | jim_p: you know, i've been meaning to read this too file:///usr/share/doc/fontconfig/README.Debian |
| 09:09.37 | VoltageX | rox: it says cannot mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) or "sda1" |
| 09:09.40 | enouf | gold44_: you don't want mine ;-) |
| 09:09.44 | Obligatory | VoltageX, sorry I had you confused with 'noohgodno', never mind... |
| 09:09.48 | jim_p | ok i will |
| 09:09.53 | enouf | gold44_: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 09:09.55 | simonrvn | webPrag\Laptop: *.exe only exists for windows apps and mono apps; you won't find anything in the apache packages named that way |
| 09:09.58 | enouf | gold44_: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 09:10.04 | gold44_ | !source.list |
| 09:10.07 | VoltageX | rox: debian is on /dev/sda1 so I don't know what's up |
| 09:10.11 | enouf | gold44_: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 09:10.19 | rox | VoltageX: seems like you compiled in your filesystem but forgot to add block device drivers |
| 09:10.23 | gold44_ | !hey best friend |
| 09:10.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:10.37 | VoltageX | rox: sata -_- |
| 09:10.39 | enouf | !+tell gold44_ -about msg the bot |
| 09:10.39 | dpkg | told gold44_ about msg the bot. |
| 09:10.43 | gold44_ | ? is he out to lunch or something? |
| 09:10.46 | gold44_ | oh.. |
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| 09:10.53 | rox | webPrag\Laptop: it's in apache2-utils |
| 09:11.40 | webPrag\Laptop | rox oh so a separate package? |
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| 09:12.10 | rox | !pdo |
| 09:12.10 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:12.12 | Obligatory | Nnnnite laddies. |
| 09:12.41 | rox | webPrag\Laptop: check pdo or use apt-file to learn about contents of packages |
| 09:13.04 | gold44_ | debian have like, main, multiverse, non free and etc.... ? |
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| 09:13.24 | simonrvn | not multiverse, that's an ubuntuism |
| 09:14.03 | rox | gold44_: official repositories have main, contrib and non-free |
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| 09:14.39 | VoltageX | rox: does etch-backports count? |
| 09:15.00 | gold44_ | rox i have all 3 dvd iso, so what should i use to include everythng from the disks? |
| 09:15.12 | rox | VoltageX: count for what? |
| 09:15.19 | enouf | jim_p: i have fontconfig = yes\n font = "Bitstream Vera Sans"\n subfont-text-scale = 3\n in my conf - but i don't use subtitles, though i se OSD |
| 09:15.24 | VoltageX | rox: as a repository |
| 09:15.43 | rox | VoltageX: i don't know, i don't use it |
| 09:16.03 | enouf | # get a default OSD font from fontconfig |
| 09:16.10 | VoltageX | rox: I really can't see anything important that isn't compiled in |
| 09:17.09 | xingu | ok who wants to tell me why glut is all hardwired to pull _helvetica_ of all things? |
| 09:17.14 | enouf | gold44_: all three |
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| 09:17.41 | enouf | gold44_: /msg dpkg contrib :-) |
| 09:17.48 | rox | VoltageX: clearly something is missing. if you don't want to recompile your kernel again, then make an initrd image |
| 09:18.10 | xingu | I mean it's a sexy font and all that sort of nonsense and of course panther ships with it but it's sort of not "free" in the sense of "freeglut" being well erm tautological. |
| 09:18.12 | VoltageX | rox: I tried that, it just hangs at "waiting for root fs" |
| 09:18.31 | gold44_ | thanks |
| 09:18.36 | enouf | VoltageX: which controller? |
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| 09:18.59 | enouf | and which backport are you using? |
| 09:19.17 | simonrvn | xingu: lack of forethought, and probably some weird preference of one of the coders |
| 09:19.43 | jim_p | enouf: i changed the fontconfig=0 line in the file you suggested and now it rocks! |
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| 09:19.57 | enouf | jim_p: w00h00 :-p |
| 09:20.46 | enouf | jim_p: what was it before? 1 or Yes/No ? mine's weird here |
| 09:21.07 | enouf | (nm, guess the manpage would tell me) |
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| 09:25.38 | jim_p | 1 |
| 09:26.11 | jim_p | enouf: sorry i am messing up with the settings to find whats best |
| 09:26.41 | reZo | % sudo date -s "2/23/2008 10:28:00" |
| 09:26.41 | reZo | sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb 24 10:17:02 2008 |
| 09:26.44 | reZo | whats wrong? |
| 09:27.48 | debian | Can someone tell me what to put int he sources list to get an standard debian respo_ |
| 09:27.51 | debian | ? |
| 09:27.55 | xingu | reZo: at a guess, date uses adjtimex, and that's way too much of an offset to slew to. |
| 09:28.01 | jelly-home | reZo: you have run sudo while the date was tomorrow |
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| 09:28.36 | xingu | aah, yes, jelly's right |
| 09:28.40 | xingu | silly me. |
| 09:28.46 | enouf | jim_p: no worries |
| 09:29.00 | jelly-home | reZo: it's an error from sudo. use su or login as root, remove the sudo lock manually |
| 09:29.12 | xingu | reZo: sudo uses a ticketing system to work out whether or not to challenge for a password; using sudo to muck about with your time-of-day is insane |
| 09:29.21 | xingu | reZo: ie, don't |
| 09:29.23 | reZo | ah right, |
| 09:29.33 | reZo | makes sense |
| 09:29.59 | jelly-home | "oh dear, the user has last ran sudo ... tomorrow?" |
| 09:30.00 | reZo | changed, thanks |
| 09:30.08 | reZo | lawl :P |
| 09:30.11 | jelly-home | er, run* |
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| 09:31.29 | jelly-home | this is where an OS that only gives you access to root via sudo would be less than fun |
| 09:32.09 | xingu | any OS that can't get basic book-keeping like keeping your seconds labelled correctly is less that fun per term |
| 09:32.57 | xingu | it's not as if there's some 30y or so worth of published prior art on the subject or anything |
| 09:33.57 | debian | I want an fun multiplayer game for debian, does it exist? |
| 09:33.59 | kottlett | hi! If I want my debian kernel to run at 1000Hz instead of 250Hz - I got to recompile it, don't I? or is there a flag I could set in the kernel line of grub.conf? |
| 09:34.14 | enouf | so xingu ; would you say in general, it's safer to leave a root term open for when one needs root, vs just having the user use sudo, on a per command basis ? |
| 09:34.36 | enouf | (/me wagers the answer is "neither") |
| 09:34.40 | rox | kottlett: what you said doesn't make sense |
| 09:34.44 | jelly-home | kottlett: it's a compile time only option |
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| 09:35.20 | kottlett | jelly-home: thx, just wanted to be sure |
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| 09:35.35 | debian | kottlett: Norsk? |
| 09:35.47 | xingu | enouf: sudo's good at what it does; it'd be better if it were kerberised in so far as using kerberos grants rather than its own private ticketing scheme |
| 09:35.53 | kottlett | debian: nope, german |
| 09:36.01 | enouf | xingu: oh, and thank you tremendously for your help with that speakup stuff - i told wols (atleast someone) O_o - anyways, the person i was helping decided to try the .23 version w/ .23 patch ;-) it worked out after i guided him for hours ;-) |
| 09:36.21 | tuntun | Does anyone know why Audacity creates lame (v3.97) mp3s around %10 larger than those made by MediaCoder for the same vbr level? |
| 09:36.53 | xingu | enouf: I wouldn't say it's a cunning plan to leave a root terminal open at all (think session intercept vectors), but I'm as guilty of it as the next guy |
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| 09:37.03 | jelly-home | tuntun: a good question for lame and mediacoder authors! |
| 09:37.13 | clever[rev] | how would i feed apt thru a http based proxy(squid in this case) ? |
| 09:37.19 | enouf | xingu: yeah, some pluses, some minuses, the need to do/remember to do sudo sh -c "command ..." for certain situations, and yet, without it /var/log/auth becomes a bit .. er vacant ;-) |
| 09:37.29 | kottlett | jelly-home: is there a getconf option which shows me the Hz of the currently running kernel? "getconf CLK_TCK" shows 100 - however, /proc/conf.gz shows 250Hz :-/ |
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| 09:37.47 | gold44 | i got it to work =| enouf |
| 09:38.05 | enouf | xingu: righto - i am NOT going to not use sudo and then only open a root term when needed , which == always ;-) |
| 09:38.07 | jelly-home | kottlett: hmm, there might be but I don't know what it is off the top of my head |
| 09:38.07 | gold44 | enouf: apt-cdrom crap is useless |
| 09:38.15 | enouf | gold44: roflmao |
| 09:38.32 | kottlett | jelly-home: not a command ran every day ;) |
| 09:38.41 | enouf | !fix gold44 |
| 09:38.42 | gold44 | enouf: i just manually mount the dvd rom, and edit the /.../source.list |
| 09:39.04 | enouf | you have 3 DVD drives? ;-P |
| 09:39.12 | gold44 | enouf: you are so sick =) |
| 09:39.19 | jelly-home | kottlett: it's linux kernel specific, not much need for it to be exposed I guess |
| 09:39.29 | enouf | though most things i bet are on DVD 1 |
| 09:39.33 | enouf | !popcon |
| 09:39.33 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 09:39.37 | clever[rev] | kottlett: also the kernel tick freq isnt used for anything outside of kernel space |
| 09:39.45 | clever[rev] | !proxy |
| 09:39.45 | dpkg | well, proxy is This is commonly a form of Internet security. You can use a proxy or proxy server to pass data between your internal network and the Internet. A machine on your network sends a request to the proxy. The proxy sends the request to a server on the Internet. Thus, it stands in for the computer on your network. The server on the Internet never knows that the request is coming from anywhere but the proxy. Thus 100 machines on your network ... |
| 09:40.05 | clever[rev] | :( |
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| 09:43.41 | clever[rev] | how would i feed apt thru a http based proxy(squid in this case) ? |
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| 09:49.40 | xinming | How do I know the repository server last rsync time? |
| 09:50.54 | jelly-home | clever[rev]: using the http_proxy env.variable as usual, or man apt.conf |
| 09:51.27 | xinming | hmm, I have a local mirror, and It's sync'ed manually, So, Just want to know when the server is sync'ed last time. |
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| 09:52.12 | samba-share | Hello |
| 09:52.30 | samba-share | What is the simple program that allows debian to browse windows shares? |
| 09:53.11 | samba-share | I know I heard about it, I have it at home, but I lost its name! |
| 09:53.16 | susanne-- | there are many programs, for varying values of "simple." |
| 09:53.24 | rox | samba-share: depends on what your desktop is, kde and gnome have mounting of samba shares integrated into their file managers |
| 09:53.29 | Coweater | xsmbrowser, komba2, sinneighborhood, tksmb |
| 09:54.00 | Coweater | !search |
| 09:54.00 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 09:54.23 | clever[rev] | jelly-home: ahh, didnt see proxy when i skimed over man apt.conf |
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| 09:56.45 | samba-share | I couldnt find it, and it is none of the above |
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| 09:58.18 | samba-share | smb4k was what I was looking for! |
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| 10:17.03 | dutchfish | is lenny froozen, so kernel 2.6.24 is not making it into it? Or am i mistaken? |
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| 10:18.09 | liable | its not frozen |
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| 10:20.44 | Xteven | hello |
| 10:20.51 | dutchfish | its a soft freeze, i just discovered: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html |
| 10:21.05 | Xteven | can someone tell me whether debian has a running project involving grsecurity ? except for d:sbd |
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| 10:21.59 | dutchfish | liable, i am concerned about the excellent 2.6.24 kernel: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 10:22.25 | liable | dutchfish: i did hear it may not make it, but i havent heard anything official |
| 10:23.06 | dutchfish | liable, i hope not, many old code has been swepped out and cleaned in the 2.6.24 |
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| 10:23.25 | dutchfish | liable, i mean security wise |
| 10:24.18 | dutchfish | liable, i really not satisfied with the 2.6.23 branche |
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| 10:24.52 | liable | dutchfish: security will always get fixed. not much you can do if they dont include it other than compile one |
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| 10:26.07 | dutchfish | liable, of coarse i already did, and i am running for 3 month already on some machines, apart from the better performance it is more stable too, got lots of oopses with the 2.6.22 & 2.6.23 |
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| 10:27.52 | dutchfish | liable, ok, thank you |
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| 10:31.47 | suppaman | hello |
| 10:32.06 | dutchfish | where can i find info on the vmsplice issue for the 2.6.18-5 branch? |
| 10:32.32 | wols | !dsa |
| 10:32.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 10:33.15 | dutchfish | wols, thank you i have thoroughly searched that, the only hint is, we are investigating it ... nothing else |
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| 10:33.39 | wols | the vmsplice issue has been fixed |
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| 10:33.53 | checkers | hi all, I noticed some user accounts in `w` show the action as '[priv]'. How do I make my own login show this? |
| 10:34.03 | dutchfish | wols, yes, for the 2.6.18-6 but not for the 2.6.18-5? |
| 10:34.21 | wols | of course not |
| 10:34.24 | liable | uh, thats why you upgrade to -6.. |
| 10:34.30 | wols | there is no more -5 |
| 10:34.36 | wols | at least none you should use |
| 10:35.07 | dutchfish | wols, its still in the repos (confused now) my main concern is for the xen kernels |
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| 10:36.07 | wols | dutchfish: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1_i386.deb |
| 10:36.20 | dutchfish | wols, yes and it oopses a lot |
| 10:36.27 | wols | then file a bug! |
| 10:36.39 | dutchfish | wols, ok, thank you |
| 10:36.55 | wols | also there are CVE links on that page where the problem is described |
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| 10:37.24 | dutchfish | wols, i will reroll a fix the 2.6.18-5 for now and report bugs and my findings |
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| 10:38.06 | Legality | Hi, should SWAP-partition be sw-raided? |
| 10:38.10 | Legality | sw-raid1? |
| 10:38.29 | joltcan | Legality: Yes, it is in a matter of fact a good ida |
| 10:38.39 | Legality | damn |
| 10:38.49 | Legality | everyone says the different thing |
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| 10:39.02 | enouf | what? |
| 10:39.06 | Legality | couple of days ago these guys said that swap should not be sw-raided |
| 10:39.11 | wols | joltcan: why would it be a good idea? |
| 10:39.20 | liable | i just made a swap file once the array was running |
| 10:39.20 | wols | Legality: it shouldn't |
| 10:39.21 | joltcan | Legality: Well, if you have swap space over two drives |
| 10:39.34 | wols | Legality: you can simply make a swap partition on each drive and mount both |
| 10:39.38 | Legality | ok |
| 10:39.42 | Legality | nice |
| 10:39.42 | Legality | thanks |
| 10:39.45 | joltcan | that are not raid1, if one of the disk dies while reading, then I promise that bad things will happen |
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| 10:40.00 | dutchfish | wols, and that would be better performance wise too |
| 10:40.07 | wols | dutchfish: exactly |
| 10:40.09 | joltcan | if you do raid1, it doesn't matter if one drive dies, it is still possible to read from the swap space |
| 10:40.33 | joltcan | if you make a swap partition on each drive and mount both, they will not be mirrored, they will be striped |
| 10:40.42 | enouf | you causing unecessary i/o reads/writes |
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| 10:40.52 | wols | joltcan: and you do a simple restart, something you have to do anyways to replace the dead drive |
| 10:41.05 | joltcan | and just like reading from a raid0 file system when one of the drives fail, this will have the same impact with swap |
| 10:41.51 | joltcan | wols: Well, your computer wont die beause the memory is fucked up. You can reboot and bring down the system in a more convinient time than after a kernel/program crash |
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| 10:41.56 | bullgard4 | How to explain that systool considers acpi a sysfs bus? |
| 10:42.29 | joltcan | reading from corrupted swap area won't have a nice impact of the system, that is all I'm saying |
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| 10:43.55 | enouf | swap goes away upon reboot - or should |
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| 10:48.04 | Phil4 | what's a lighter alternative to proftpd? |
| 10:48.09 | Legality | lightftp? |
| 10:48.17 | dutchfish | !vsftpd |
| 10:48.17 | dpkg | vsftpd is probably a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org ... |
| 10:48.18 | Legality | dunno :/ |
| 10:48.32 | Phil4 | !proftpd |
| 10:48.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt., down, something, dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... try using vsftpd if you don't need any proftpd specific features. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
| 10:48.43 | Phil4 | ah, ic |
| 10:48.44 | Phil4 | alright |
| 10:48.44 | Phil4 | thanks |
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| 10:50.30 | Phil4 | # Uncomment this to allow local users to log in. <-- that means /etc/passwd users? |
| 10:50.56 | dutchfish | Phil4, on a default system yes |
| 10:51.12 | Phil4 | thanks |
| 10:51.18 | liable | you dont want people using their user logins in the clear over the net for ftp |
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| 10:51.59 | dutchfish | Phil4, consider using a mysql backend or other |
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| 11:12.05 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. How do I enable support fo Intel 3945 wi-fi card under Lenny? |
| 11:12.19 | VoltageX | SchwarzeKrause: I *think* the driver is in the repo |
| 11:12.30 | amphi | !3945 |
| 11:12.34 | VoltageX | SchwarzeKrause: something like iwl3945 |
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| 11:13.28 | liable | SchwarzeKrause: iwl3945 is in the 23 kernel apparently |
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| 11:13.46 | liable | !iwlwifi |
| 11:13.46 | dpkg | iwlwifi is, like, the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 ("modprobe iwl4965") and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
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| 11:15.22 | liable | modprobe iwl3945 for the 3945.. |
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| 11:16.04 | Cr3ature | how do you set the port in lynx? |
| 11:16.07 | Cr3ature | or in links2 |
| 11:16.54 | liable | dpkg: iwlwifi =~ s/("modprobe iwl4965")/(modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945)/ |
| 11:16.54 | dpkg | OK, liable |
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| 11:17.33 | simonrvn | set the port? that's what :portNum is for |
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| 11:17.53 | Cr3ature | simonrvn: how? |
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| 11:19.47 | simonrvn | protocol://hostname:port/subdir/file |
| 11:20.06 | SchwarzeKrause | What should I do to get network-manager working? |
| 11:20.13 | simonrvn | (and that ^^^ isn't totally correct, but clear enough) |
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| 11:26.51 | simonrvn | Cr3ature: when you're doing say http://somehost/ in a browser it's really http://somehost:80/ . the *default* port for http is 80, so it's assumed, and usually not displayed. same goes for other protocols |
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| 11:47.54 | alfatau | hello! i would want to script apt-get downloads because my connection is really slow and often disconnetcts. is there a way to get a return value from apt-get to catch the failed download istances and cycling schedule new istances after a few minutes? |
| 11:47.56 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:47.56 | dpkg | <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
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| 11:51.03 | blueD | how large should be my swap when I've 2 Gb RAM? |
| 11:52.35 | SPF | 2-4 Gb |
| 11:52.41 | pikudo | it depends on what you want to do... is a desktop setup? |
| 11:53.15 | pikudo | how many users?... how mush hd space? |
| 11:53.15 | SchwarzeKrause | Err. Do people really need a swap in such situations? Unless they run Gentoo or are into coding? |
| 11:53.35 | pikudo | much * |
| 11:53.43 | blueD | pikudo, desktop, 1 user, 30Gb |
| 11:55.08 | pikudo | it seems 1GB swap its far from enough... fyr i use icewm on a 128 mb ram with 256 mb swap very fast ... no problems at all |
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| 11:55.28 | jelly-home | SchwarzeKrause: desktop use? they don't |
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| 11:56.21 | pikudo | forgot to mention it's on a p2 400 mhz ... sounds nice? |
| 11:57.11 | liable | wow, 2G of ram in a p2 |
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| 11:58.02 | pikudo | nope 128 mb ram with 256 mb swap |
| 11:58.19 | liable | oh, confused my nicks.. |
| 11:58.41 | pikudo | its far from enough... (i use office xp under crossover) |
| 11:58.48 | jelly-home | blueD: you'll need ~half the amount of RAM or so if you want to hibernate. Might as well be safe and put in the same amount as RAM. |
| 12:01.28 | blueD | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 12:02.36 | pikudo | ou plan to use cad /cam or video editing ...it is another history |
| 12:03.14 | [1]alfatau | hello! i would want to script apt-get downloads because my connection is really slow and often disconnetcts. is there a way to get a return value from apt-get to catch the failed download istances and cycling schedule new istances after a few minutes? |
| 12:03.15 | pikudo | if you* |
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| 12:13.19 | cusco | hey dudes |
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| 12:13.37 | cusco | is there a way I can know what memory is installed on my machine ithout opening it? |
| 12:13.50 | cusco | I jsut wanted to know the standart! pc2300 or something like that |
| 12:14.53 | azaghal | Hello. Is there a console-based command/utility/hack to generate a download script for packages like the one Synaptic can? |
| 12:15.14 | wols | cusco: lshw, dmidecode |
| 12:15.22 | wols | cusco: what chipset do you run? |
| 12:15.23 | RaymondX | have you heard of the "power-on self test" system? That should tell you how much memory your pc has |
| 12:15.35 | wols | !tell azaghal about apt-zip |
| 12:15.37 | cusco | wols: I was looking at dmidecode but it doesn't show much of the ram info |
| 12:15.48 | wols | cusco: answer my question |
| 12:15.53 | cusco | wols: hold |
| 12:15.55 | cusco | amd |
| 12:16.01 | azaghal | wols: Thank you ;) |
| 12:16.02 | cusco | if that is what you're asking |
| 12:16.06 | wols | amd is not a chipset but a chipset maker |
| 12:16.15 | cusco | ok hold |
| 12:16.15 | wols | what cpu? |
| 12:16.29 | wols | especially: what socket? |
| 12:17.15 | cusco | how do I check that on dmidecode? :/ |
| 12:17.22 | wols | you don't |
| 12:17.25 | wols | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:17.26 | cusco | ot where |
| 12:17.28 | cusco | ah |
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| 12:18.06 | cusco | I don't know aht Im looking for |
| 12:18.11 | cusco | cpu MHz: 1244.477 |
| 12:18.14 | cusco | oops |
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| 12:18.18 | wols | pastebin your lspci and your cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:18.26 | cusco | k |
| 12:18.47 | cusco | http://rafb.net/p/nwpZRL26.html |
| 12:20.05 | wols | lspci? |
| 12:20.34 | cusco | http://rafb.net/p/BKPICG23.html |
| 12:20.49 | cusco | I gotta go and have lunch, I will be back in a few minutes |
| 12:21.23 | wols | cusco: could be SDR or DDR |
| 12:21.35 | wols | dmidecode and lshw will tell you |
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| 12:25.04 | enouf | wols: fwiw, i use i2c-tools pkg (sid only?) from the branch off of i2c stuff from lm-sensors, and use decode-dimms, after modprobe eeprom, nice specs for RAM, like aida style almost ;-) |
| 12:25.22 | wols | good to know |
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| 12:25.31 | wols | didn't know it can rad out SPD eeoprms |
| 12:25.56 | enouf | yep |
| 12:25.59 | enouf | $ dlocate /usr/bin/decode-dimms |
| 12:25.59 | enouf | i2c-tools: /usr/bin/decode-dimms |
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| 12:26.14 | enouf | lemme paste some output, one sec |
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| 12:27.27 | enouf | wols: http://pastebin.ca/raw/915002 |
| 12:28.20 | wols | installing i2c-tools myself right now |
| 12:28.20 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 12:28.20 | dpkg | from memory, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
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| 12:28.50 | frog | hi, where is/are shortcuts file(s) for metacity? |
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| 12:29.37 | liable | somewhere in ~/.gnome i would imagine |
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| 12:30.10 | enouf | wols: right, i think the functionality is there in lenny and even etch, but in the lm-sensors pkg and file placement is all diff, i think there's an decode-dimms.pl or /example file or something only |
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| 12:32.02 | gigo | hi |
| 12:32.15 | gigo | what is the command to print a list of all the files that a package from the repository has installed? |
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| 12:32.54 | reloop | hi, is there any useful howto for setting up eicon diva isdn pci cards? |
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| 12:33.39 | enouf | wols: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/i2c/chips/eeprom and http://ornellas.apanela.com/dokuwiki/pub:spd for some extraneous info |
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| 12:33.57 | wols | gigo: dpkg -L <package> |
| 12:34.02 | vigneswari | hello all... |
| 12:34.22 | vigneswari | where to ask doubt abt syncing with debian repo |
| 12:34.34 | wols | vigneswari: english please |
| 12:34.34 | blj | syncing? |
| 12:34.41 | enouf | footballs? |
| 12:34.49 | enouf | syncing bacon? |
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| 12:35.29 | vigneswari | how to sync (synchronise) with debian repository? |
| 12:35.46 | wols | !tell vigneswari about apt howto |
| 12:35.51 | wols | !tell vigneswari about grounding |
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| 12:36.04 | gigo | vigneswari: syncing your Debian repo with the main debian repo? or keeping your debian up to date? |
| 12:36.14 | vigneswari | wols, using rsync. |
| 12:36.34 | wols | vigneswari: you don't do it that way |
| 12:36.51 | wols | !tell vigneswari about apt-mirror |
| 12:36.52 | doublehp_ | why are X-1.3 and X-1.4 from Gentoo capable to use 1280x1024@60 on my LCD screen, and can't I get Debian do it ? it's 2h I am playing modlines ... any one can help ? I can even provide GEntoo Xorg.0.log if it can help |
| 12:37.21 | vigneswari | wols, i want to do as daemon kind.. |
| 12:37.28 | wols | doublehp_: what videcard, what driver, what dbeian version what xorg.conf? |
| 12:37.37 | wols | vigneswari: and I want a pony |
| 12:37.42 | wols | man rsync |
| 12:37.43 | vigneswari | gigo, syncing my local repo with debian main repo. |
| 12:37.52 | wols | debian apt ros are ftp/http serves like any other |
| 12:37.57 | enouf | !pony wols |
| 12:38.02 | wols | vigneswari: that's what apt-mirror is for |
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| 12:38.43 | bruce_ | Hello. Who do I speak to about being unbanned from this channel? |
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| 12:39.00 | enouf | doublehp_: are you sure it's debian and not a *buntu version you have? |
| 12:39.07 | doublehp_ | wols: Matrox Millenium PCI, MGA, testing testing installed begin 2007, xorg.conf I copied from /mnt/gentoo/etc/X11 ... (tested for X 1.3 and 1.4 ) |
| 12:39.15 | doublehp_ | enouf: yes |
| 12:39.26 | wols | I don't know what gentoo writes in xorg.conf |
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| 12:39.30 | enouf | hrm , matrox |
| 12:39.39 | doublehp_ | wols: Gentoo does not; users do. |
| 12:39.42 | wols | and I don't care either. all I care is about what dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xprg dpes |
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| 12:39.58 | wols | doublehp_: I don't give a rats ass what you did in gentoo either |
| 12:40.16 | vigneswari | wols, so i cant use rsync? |
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| 12:40.32 | wols | also: update your testing. e.g you could update it to a real etch (back in early 2007 etch was testing) |
| 12:40.35 | doublehp_ | wols: dpkg would be the best case to break my system, and get nothing to work: xinerama, 7 video cards, dpkg is just roughly able to get 1024x768 on one screen, no magick. |
| 12:40.45 | wols | vigneswari: man rsync. now go and read the docs |
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| 12:40.53 | enouf | doublehp_: that is odd, my old nvidia tnt POS 32MB can even do that |
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| 12:41.12 | wols | enouf: of course it can. but he didn't tell us about the dual head before |
| 12:41.19 | enouf | right |
| 12:41.23 | wols | and he STIL: hasn't answered my first question |
| 12:41.29 | wols | &/me feels unday approaching |
| 12:41.29 | enouf | righto |
| 12:41.35 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:41.43 | enouf | but you atleast got a pony ;-) |
| 12:41.54 | doublehp_ | wols: I have ansewered the question where you HLed me. |
| 12:41.59 | wols | I got a damn picture of pony! that's no pony |
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| 12:42.15 | wols | doublehp_: no you haven't. I am NOT psychic and doN#t know of give a damn what do you did in gentoo |
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| 12:43.15 | hoxu | etch & apparently broken clock (dead battery?), just booted and the year was set four years in the past. Is there anything I can do apart from ntp? |
| 12:43.25 | hoxu | (it's a laptop) |
| 12:43.45 | doublehp_ | ok, so, how to get Debian show 1280x1024@60 for my LCD on Matrox Me card when dpkgrecnfigure only cares about first AGP, and when default modilne is something like 1400x960 ? |
| 12:43.50 | wols | hwclock |
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| 12:44.14 | hydra | someone using testing? |
| 12:44.20 | wols | doublehp_: go away until you can answer questions |
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| 12:44.26 | wols | !tell hydra about anyone |
| 12:44.39 | hydra | i have this problem whenever I use apt.. |
| 12:44.59 | wols | !tell hydra about bat |
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| 12:45.16 | hydra | at package configuration time, apt locks in "Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.15) ..." |
| 12:45.20 | doublehp_ | wols: I have read 3 times the log, and, I cant see any question from you I did not answer |
| 12:45.30 | blj | when does the .subversion/config gets created for a user? |
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| 12:45.42 | wols | I still don't know anything about your xorg.conf |
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| 12:46.19 | hoxu | blj, why do you want that information? strace whatever svn command you run? |
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| 12:47.00 | blj | hoxu: not important, its just that am missing that file, and i want to change it. wondering if that will be created on the first usage |
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| 12:47.30 | hoxu | blj, did you read the documentation or svnbook? |
| 12:47.47 | blj | hoxu: yes, could not find it |
| 12:48.07 | hydra | ssl-cert package is locking apt in every use |
| 12:48.08 | wols | abchirk: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 12:48.16 | hydra | (testing from 21/02) |
| 12:48.19 | wols | hydra: I asked you something |
| 12:48.32 | hoxu | blj, ask #svn maybe |
| 12:48.44 | blj | hoxu: thanks |
| 12:48.51 | doublehp_ | wols: doublehp.free.fr/xorg.conf search for screen identified as "Screen_0_-1_scr" working on card Matrox_Me_c1 |
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| 12:49.01 | frog | how can capture screen or window and save it to the clipboard? |
| 12:49.14 | hydra | wols: there's not much to paste... |
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| 12:49.21 | hydra | i execute, for example, $ sudo apt-get install ssl-cert |
| 12:49.44 | hydra | and apt-get locks saying: "Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.15) ..." |
| 12:49.47 | doublehp_ | wols: associated actual log: http://doublehp.free.fr/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:50.12 | enouf | frog: many ways |
| 12:50.23 | enouf | frog: xvidcap is one |
| 12:50.41 | wols | wow what a bullshit xorg.conf |
| 12:50.44 | enouf | got a DE, you got a tool |
| 12:51.04 | doublehp_ | wols: tell that to Sun who force us to use very custom modlines |
| 12:51.26 | wols | doublehp_: how ,many screens do you have? |
| 12:51.26 | doublehp_ | wols: and to MGA not maintaining properly their Linux drivers |
| 12:51.32 | wols | !tell doublehp_ about drxx and start from there |
| 12:51.33 | frog | enouf : thx |
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| 12:52.43 | sickonnet | how to search samba file on nautilus its seems only search local file system |
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| 12:52.57 | doublehp_ | wols: only 3 work on debian; Gentoo get 4, only 4 because of Xorg regression bugs since they move to X-1 ; if drivers were maintained, I could get 6 screen as I want on only 2 cards. (G45x4 + G400 ). |
| 12:53.03 | voltagex | distcc is working and compiling but distccmon-text doesn't show anything |
| 12:53.07 | voltagex | any ideas? |
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| 12:53.20 | wols | doublehp_: change to testing |
| 12:53.56 | enouf | sickonnet: try some gnome oriented channel |
| 12:54.06 | doublehp_ | wols: 13:39 < doublehp_> wols: Matrox Millenium PCI, MGA, testing |
| 12:54.26 | voltagex | matrox still makes cards? |
| 12:54.31 | wols | doublehp_: you do not run testing. not if you updated last in early 2007 |
| 12:54.38 | wols | you don#t even run stable then |
| 12:54.57 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/fb/matroxfb.txt i doubt applicable, but wth |
| 12:55.01 | doublehp_ | thus, you are not asking to switch for testing, but to update |
| 12:55.26 | enouf | update != upgrade |
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| 12:55.30 | wols | depends what you have in your sources.list, another thing I cannot know |
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| 12:55.55 | cusco | back |
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| 12:56.46 | doublehp_ | wols: just ask : http://doublehp.free.fr/sources.list |
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| 12:56.56 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 12:57.03 | lkthomas | is there have any gui tools for lvm2 |
| 12:57.10 | enouf | no |
| 12:57.25 | enouf | not that i know of |
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| 12:57.48 | enouf | why would there be anyway? |
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| 12:58.04 | enouf | !webmin |
| 12:58.04 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 12:58.21 | wols | doublehp_: if you dist-upgrade now you get X 7.2 |
| 12:58.28 | cusco | wols: dmidecode tells me I have two DIMMS SDRAM - one 128 and other 516 |
| 12:58.44 | wols | cusco: so now you know |
| 12:58.45 | cusco | wols: doesn't tell me the standart tho eg. pc3200 |
| 12:58.55 | cusco | that is what I was looking for initially |
| 12:59.08 | cusco | I want to buy another dimm |
| 12:59.12 | enouf | cusco: you want the speed? |
| 12:59.13 | lkthomas | I found one |
| 12:59.16 | wols | cusco: you can only buy PC3200 and it doesn't matter which one you currently have if you buy PC3200 |
| 12:59.17 | lkthomas | it call openfilter |
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| 12:59.38 | wols | doublehp_: with sid you get X 7.3 btw |
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| 13:00.19 | cusco | enouf: yes I want the speed... |
| 13:00.24 | cusco | wols: you sure? |
| 13:00.30 | wols | yes I am sure |
| 13:00.41 | wols | your system will only use PC2100 but that's ok |
| 13:00.50 | wols | PC2100 speeds that is |
| 13:01.01 | wols | the athlon you run and the chipset you run don't support more |
| 13:01.13 | enouf | cusco: 1st off, right as wols says the range is 2100-3200 |
| 13:01.24 | wols | but it will be vey hard to impossibly to find pc2100 ram and it is the same price or somethimes higher than pc3200 |
| 13:01.50 | enouf | some do only 2700 b/c of crappy OWM mobos, but 3200 would just clock down then |
| 13:01.51 | cusco | oh... |
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| 13:02.21 | cusco | thanks then |
| 13:02.27 | enouf | cusco: your motherboard PDF would tell you as would likely your BIOS |
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| 13:02.47 | cusco | enouf: I don't even know what mobo I have... :P |
| 13:02.49 | wols | enouf: his mobo won't do more than PC2100 |
| 13:02.59 | wols | at least it usually won't boot with any higher speed |
| 13:03.01 | doublehp_ | wols: what's bullshity in my xorg.conf ? |
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| 13:03.12 | enouf | wols: ahh . you kknow the CPU, me, i missed that |
| 13:03.15 | wols | doublehp_: way too much stuff imho |
| 13:03.32 | wols | enouf: athlon 1200mhz and sis730 chipset |
| 13:03.32 | enouf | cusco: dmidecode tells you |
| 13:03.46 | wols | and the BIOS stringon POST does too |
| 13:03.49 | enouf | aye , you know more than i about them wols |
| 13:03.54 | doublehp_ | wols: I dropped 2/3 of it last month ... and left the strict minimum with comments and URL for all tips |
| 13:04.15 | doublehp_ | wols: note tha 1/5 of it is just modelines for one Sun screen |
| 13:04.24 | cusco | on dmidecode Base Board Information comes blank |
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| 13:04.32 | enouf | wols: i'm just concerned if they too can suffer from DRAM chips that are too dense, like the PC133 ones can be (old) |
| 13:04.40 | cusco | but nevermind that then... I will get a pair of pc2300 dimms |
| 13:04.41 | enouf | well, new chips, on old mobos |
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| 13:05.07 | wols | so far I never had the problem with my k7s5as |
| 13:05.11 | wols | theyuse SIS735 |
| 13:05.26 | enouf | cusco: finding the cpu specs and chipset specs can also tell you |
| 13:05.44 | enouf | ok, cool |
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| 13:09.19 | doublehp_ | wols: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg left me choose the PCI address of the card I want to use, thus, I could specify the MGA Me ... and produced working conf for "just my LCD"; importing those settings in my Xinerama xonf let me write a working compleet layout. Thanks. That feature offering to choose the PCI address is quiet new to me, did not exist in 2004. |
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| 13:09.47 | TheInfinity | hello ... one question ... I have a server in internet with postfix and static ip and a server in a local network with a dynamic ip changing every 24h. server1 is relay of server 2, and server1 gets mail for server2 which server2 gets via pop3 request every minute |
| 13:10.02 | TheInfinity | is there any way to send mails direct from server 1 to server 2? |
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| 13:11.11 | TheInfinity | just directing to server2s dnsndns adress does not work, what if my isp gives the old ip to another computer with a mta? |
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| 13:22.48 | doublehp_ | wols: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg could not setup |
| 13:23.20 | wols | it cannot do dualhead no |
| 13:23.23 | doublehp_ | wols: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg could not setup second head of G450 ... and to test this, I need an old Debian, because all recent X have known bugs |
| 13:23.28 | wols | but it's a good starting point imho |
| 13:23.31 | doublehp_ | so, the older is the better to test this card |
| 13:23.52 | wols | soon, etch is the oldest supported |
| 13:24.01 | wols | X 7.1 I think |
| 13:24.07 | wols | sarge uses xfree86 still |
| 13:24.19 | wols | otherwise, feel free to browse sdn |
| 13:24.20 | wols | !sdn |
| 13:24.21 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 13:24.28 | doublehp_ | I meant that, even configuring just one head, the 2nd of G450 ... it fails => there is a bug in either MGA driver, or X, or both |
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| 13:24.34 | wols | !tell doublehp_ about dualhead |
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| 13:25.22 | doublehp_ | a year lost due to HDD failures ^^ |
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| 13:25.54 | doublehp_ | SDN could let me try potatoe ? Xfree ? |
| 13:26.04 | wols | potato |
| 13:26.07 | wols | !potato |
| 13:26.07 | dpkg | well, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 13:26.49 | doublehp_ | I am just asking if I could download Potatoe from SDN ... I got an old machine that cant hold Sarge. I need Potatoe floppies |
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| 13:27.06 | wols | see the factoid |
| 13:27.11 | wols | sdn only hands out old packages |
| 13:27.15 | wols | not install media |
| 13:27.17 | doublehp_ | :( |
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| 13:28.05 | slimboifat | Tach zusammen. |
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| 13:29.25 | slimboifat | Hab einfach in der /etc/apt/sources.list etch gegen lenny ausgetauscht jetzt geht hal nicht mehr und auch einige andere sachen konnte er nicht installieren |
| 13:29.47 | doublehp_ | slimboifat: english please |
| 13:29.54 | slimboifat | sorry wrong channel |
| 13:30.05 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying to get apache to display .chm files, I installed the packages suggested in this guide: http://ayaz.wordpress.com/2006/10/27/reading-chm-chm-files-on-linux/ ( archmage_0.0.7-2 libchm1_2%3a0.39-1_i386 python-chm_0.8.4-0.1_i386 ), but it's not working yet, any ideas on what I am missing? |
| 13:30.13 | cusco | !de |
| 13:30.13 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 13:33.24 | peppe | dromer: that archmage version is old... did you try with the latest version? |
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| 13:33.32 | pingouin | which software can i use to record the sounds comming out from my soundcard ? |
| 13:34.22 | wols | dromer: we do not support packages from outside debian |
| 13:34.25 | cahoot | areord, ecasound f ex |
| 13:34.33 | wols | mixing distros will break your OS, pure and simple |
| 13:34.39 | cahoot | arecord, ecasound f ex - pingouin |
| 13:35.15 | dromer | wols: these are from the stable repositories |
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| 13:35.23 | dromer | peppe: well .. latest in stable anyway .. |
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| 13:35.43 | XoX | hi |
| 13:35.44 | XoX | what's cups raster data? |
| 13:36.22 | vlt | Hello. I use Debian Etch as OpenVPN gateway. Is it possible to receive ovpn packets on one device (ppp0) and send all answers through another (ppp1)? |
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| 13:37.37 | peppe | pingouin: just set the "mixer" as capture device, that's all |
| 13:37.47 | peppe | dromer: have you tried a backport? |
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| 13:38.32 | pingouin | cahoot: ok, thanks for the clues |
| 13:38.42 | pingouin | peppe: ok thanks, but.... |
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| 13:39.21 | pingouin | peppe: ...how record ?! in what put 'mixer' ?! |
| 13:39.41 | dromer | peppe: ehm, what are those again? (been out of debian for a while :P) |
| 13:41.17 | flokuehn | hi. iam using debian testing and try to install my 5.1 surround sound system. i already tried alsa one-liner and after this there is sound but not all speakers. speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -l1 -twav tells me that just front left and right are in use. also checked alsamixer and the levels necessary are all up. are there any further steps i can do to check whats wrong ? |
| 13:41.24 | peppe | pingouin: open alsamixer, kmix, etc. go to the "capture" tab (F4 in alsamixer), select as capture device "Mix" (the device you want to record from) and "Capture" (to enable capturing), raise Capture volume as needed |
| 13:42.03 | peppe | !tell dromer about backport |
| 13:42.06 | peppe | !tell dromer about simple sid backport |
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| 13:42.59 | dromer | so, what packages should I check for backports? |
| 13:43.05 | ignu | . |
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| 13:43.24 | wols | dromer: the ones you want? |
| 13:43.39 | xand | !cpufreq |
| 13:43.39 | dpkg | hmm... cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 13:46.07 | flokuehn | ok. now i additionaly installed kmix and now five of six are working. what is still not working is lfe. any suggestions? |
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| 13:48.16 | peppe | flokuehn: you need a 5.1 source. have you tried with mplayer -channels 6 and a 5.1 source? (dvd, etc..) |
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| 13:49.37 | flokuehn | peppe: thank you anyway. i recently tried amarok and it works. |
| 13:49.42 | pingouin | peppe: many thanks |
| 13:50.16 | ignu | Any help for an ignorant noob on getting fluxbox running? Right now I have no graphical interface at all and would like to try fluxbox on this old laptop. So far, I just finished loading Debian 4.0 r2 and ONLY selected *Laptop for stuff to install. |
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| 13:51.58 | flokuehn | peppe: maybe you can tell me why after installing kmix the rest of the speakers worked as they didnt with alsamixer ? |
| 13:52.00 | peppe | ignu: ... did you install fluxbox? |
| 13:52.13 | NetEcho | does debian have any apt mirrors with the University of Waterloo? |
| 13:52.23 | wols | !mirrors |
| 13:52.23 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 13:52.28 | peppe | flokuehn: that's odd, maybe some volume or some switch were turned off? |
| 13:52.39 | NetEcho | thx wols |
| 13:52.47 | NetEcho | wols: I got that raid array working nicely |
| 13:52.59 | flokuehn | peppe: no. they werent i checked it more than five times in alsamixer. its really strange |
| 13:53.15 | NetEcho | now I'm setting my mini-itx system up as a server |
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| 13:54.14 | dromer | peppe: ok, trying to backport archmage (0.1.9-1), but uppon dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot I get: dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 13:54.23 | dromer | should I backport the packages mentioned? |
| 13:54.37 | wols | have you installed build-deps? |
| 13:54.45 | ignu | peppe: I tried to install fluxbox. I added contrib and non-free (I don't know if that affected this process) to sources.list and I did 'aptitude install fluxbox' |
| 13:55.18 | hoxu | wols, thanks for the hwclock tip, "hwclock --directisa --systohc" seemed to help for now... |
| 13:55.27 | dromer | wols: oh .. hmm .. |
| 13:55.28 | hoxu | wols, isn't that saved on shutdown though? |
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| 13:56.01 | wols | hoxu: the problem is, debian doesn't use the --directisa by default when many newer PCs and notebooks need it... |
| 13:56.14 | wols | imho there should be a bts entry for it if there isn't already |
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| 13:56.32 | wols | and considering the many releases we had of etch recently it should be fixed |
| 13:56.43 | hoxu | wols, ah, so it's a debian problem and not broken hardware? That's reassuring :) |
| 13:57.05 | wols | open to debate if it's debian that is broken or the new hardware :) |
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| 13:59.50 | DawnLight | what should i use for frequency scaling in my k8 workstation? |
| 14:00.06 | dromer | wols: ok, now I get: http://debian.pastebin.com/m2ff0a5f3 |
| 14:00.35 | ignu | I don't know what to do next ... help??? ... I'm booting only to commandline. So far all I've been able to figure out is how to use nano to edit sources.list and how to install and use irssi to get in here for some help. I am an ignorant newbie, after all :-) |
| 14:01.00 | dromer | ignu: what is the problem? X not starting on boot? |
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| 14:01.26 | ignu | maybe I don't have X ... what do I need to aptitude install? |
| 14:01.45 | dromer | well, first figure out what window-manager you want |
| 14:01.54 | dromer | or desktop-environment if you will |
| 14:01.59 | hark | ignu: aptitude install fluxbox xorg |
| 14:02.00 | ignu | I want fluxbox |
| 14:02.28 | ignu | hark: okay, maybe my problem is I didn't do the 'xorg' part |
| 14:02.31 | ignu | thx |
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| 14:02.32 | dromer | hark: just fluxbox should do it, not? |
| 14:02.47 | ignu | I'll exit now and try that |
| 14:02.48 | peppe | DawnLight: nothing, install cpufrequtils and make sure that powernow-k8 is loaded at boot |
| 14:02.48 | dromer | I mean, fluxbox is dependend on xorg |
| 14:02.59 | dromer | ignu: just take another tty :) |
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| 14:03.15 | hark | dromer: it isn't :) |
| 14:03.20 | dromer | ok |
| 14:03.21 | wols | dromer: it isn't |
| 14:03.24 | dromer | lol |
| 14:03.49 | spanther | daaaamn >.< |
| 14:03.54 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 14:03.56 | hark | DawnLight: modprobe powernow-k8 probably |
| 14:03.57 | dromer | wols: any idea if the install is finished or do those warnings indicate otherwise? |
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| 14:04.23 | spanther | debian cant find my network chip onboard so i have no internet .. |
| 14:04.44 | wols | check ../*.deb |
| 14:04.51 | wols | spanther: what chip is it? |
| 14:05.01 | spanther | wols some MSI thingy |
| 14:05.11 | wols | MSI doesn't make network chips. try again |
| 14:05.46 | dromer | wols: ok, there is a .deb generated, I now install it? |
| 14:05.54 | wols | dromer: obviously |
| 14:05.54 | spanther | Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC <-- thats what device manager says |
| 14:06.03 | wols | !tell spanther about backports |
| 14:06.06 | wols | get a newer kernel |
| 14:06.09 | dromer | wols: sorry, I thought dpkg would do this for me ;) |
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| 14:06.25 | dromer | some* |
| 14:06.26 | wols | dromer: it does |
| 14:06.28 | spanther | wols there is no way to get a newer kernel or even install debian without network |
| 14:06.37 | wols | spanther: you are very very wrong |
| 14:06.48 | wols | you are on the internet right now you cang et a newer kernel |
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| 14:07.01 | spanther | wols i am on WinXP actually |
| 14:07.05 | wols | !tell spanther about kmuto |
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| 14:07.21 | wols | spanther: yes but you are on the internet and can download a kernel |
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| 14:07.45 | spanther | wols and how can i use it while i reboot and use the install disc 1 ? |
| 14:08.02 | wols | by copying it overy and using dpkg to install it |
| 14:08.08 | dromer | wols: ok, archmage is set-up .. now I also need to backport those other 2 packages? |
| 14:08.22 | wols | dromer: dunno. I odn't know why you backport them |
| 14:08.36 | spanther | wols you mean baking my own CD with modifications? |
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| 14:08.44 | dromer | wols: I haven't yet |
| 14:08.45 | wols | no I don't mean this |
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| 14:09.19 | spanther | wols oh btw. its AMD64 :) |
| 14:09.37 | wols | doesn't matter. same applies |
| 14:10.19 | spanther | are there kernels as .deb packages to download and install later? |
| 14:10.38 | wols | yes |
| 14:10.47 | wols | !tell spanther about backports |
| 14:10.51 | spanther | nice :D |
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| 14:11.59 | spanther | didnt know there were ready kernels without need of compiling ready to install as packages thought only software would be shipped as .deb hehe |
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| 14:12.28 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 14:12.56 | SamuraiDio | how do i make my thunar use totem-thumbnailer to make video thumbs |
| 14:12.58 | SamuraiDio | ? |
| 14:13.17 | spanther | wols well do you know which kernel supports my network connection? |
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| 14:13.28 | dromer | wols: ok, I can view .chm-files when I add a trailing slash to the url :) |
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| 14:14.26 | wols | almost any backpiort should 2.6.22 should for examnple |
| 14:14.46 | DawnLight | cpufreq |
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| 14:15.23 | Lawkie | Hi |
| 14:15.40 | spanther | wols i search at packages.debian.org but cant find one above 2.6.18 :( here http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=kernel%20amd64 |
| 14:15.44 | Lawkie | Will Debian Etch 4.0r3 be able to run smoothly on 128MB memory Minit-ITX machine? |
| 14:15.46 | enouf | xand: you looking for cpufreqd info? |
| 14:15.57 | enouf | Lawkie: sure |
| 14:15.58 | dromer | ok, another thing: I want to install a new kernel atm, but there somehow are 2 kernels going te be installed: linux-image-2.6-486 linux-image-2.6-686 << I only need the first one |
| 14:16.06 | Lawkie | enouf: Great.. |
| 14:16.07 | dromer | so howcome the 686 kernel is in there? |
| 14:16.09 | xand | enouf: it's ok, I just modprobe'ed and edited /etc/default/blah |
| 14:16.16 | enouf | Lawkie: going to load it up with bloated DEs? |
| 14:16.27 | wols | dromer: what cpu and how much RAM? |
| 14:16.27 | Lawkie | enouf: What is DEs? |
| 14:16.35 | enouf | xand: hrm, for cppufreqd stuff? |
| 14:16.41 | wols | Lawkie: desktop environment aka gnome or kde |
| 14:16.46 | xand | enouf: yes. |
| 14:16.51 | Lawkie | enouf: I am doing a minimalistic Netinstall and then want to reduce it even further, I dont need Xwindows, just console |
| 14:16.54 | dromer | wols: http://mrtoasted.com/phpsysinfo/ |
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| 14:17.00 | enouf | Lawkie: attaboy \o/ |
| 14:17.07 | wols | spanther: read the factoid dpkg gave you again until you understand it |
| 14:17.07 | xand | (powernowd-k8 module, /etc/default/cpufrequtils) |
| 14:17.10 | Lawkie | enouf: Nope, I just use console, so I guess it should be oke right? |
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| 14:17.31 | enouf | xand: ahh .. i don't have this => /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 14:17.34 | wols | dromer: you don't want the -486 kernel |
| 14:17.44 | enouf | xand: no craptops here ;-P |
| 14:17.50 | dromer | wols: ok, so the 686 is fine for my system? |
| 14:17.54 | enouf | Lawkie: perfect |
| 14:18.03 | xand | :P |
| 14:18.04 | dromer | wols: then how do I get rid of the 486 one? :P |
| 14:18.14 | wols | remove it |
| 14:18.49 | dromer | you mean remove all the images from /boot ? (don't know how they got in there anyway ..) |
| 14:18.50 | enouf | xand: some older info http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html but nice echo commands if needed, also man acpi and man cpufd is it? |
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| 14:19.20 | enouf | !thank amphi |
| 14:19.20 | dpkg | enouf: no problem |
| 14:19.57 | xand | enouf: modprobe powernowd-k8, enable cpufreqd in the defaults file (and set min/max speed), start /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils :) was easy |
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| 14:20.04 | dromer | wols: I'm not sure what you mean by "remove it" because it hasn't been installed yet (I get these 2 on apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 14:20.13 | wols | dromer: I mean uninstall it with apt-get |
| 14:20.15 | rox | dromer: if you installed it as a debian package, then use apt-get to remove it |
| 14:20.23 | enouf | xand: aye ;-) good to know |
| 14:20.27 | wols | dromer: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 14:20.29 | rox | dromer: or another package-management front-end |
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| 14:21.34 | dromer | eh: The following packages will be REMOVED kernel-image-2.6-386 linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 14:21.36 | Azzco | I want to keep kde3 but install kd4 aswell.. Is it possible, I'm trying to follow the debian kde maintainers page.. |
| 14:21.38 | enouf | xand: your cpu is? |
| 14:21.44 | wols | kde4 |
| 14:21.47 | wols | !kde4 |
| 14:21.47 | dpkg | somebody said kde4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 14:21.51 | dromer | when I: $ sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 14:22.10 | Azzco | Thanks wols |
| 14:22.10 | wols | dromer: answer my question |
| 14:22.22 | dromer | wols: what is your question? |
| 14:22.30 | enouf | show output |
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| 14:22.44 | enouf | <wols> dromer: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
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| 14:22.49 | dromer | ah ok |
| 14:23.21 | enouf | dromer: use a pastebin, no channel floods |
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| 14:23.38 | dromer | http://debian.pastebin.com/md5e27e0 |
| 14:23.42 | dromer | enouf: I know ;) |
| 14:23.46 | enouf | ok ;-) |
| 14:24.26 | chops | What's the trick in a Makefile to do string substitution in a dependency? Like "foo depends on $x.o for every $x in $x.c" |
| 14:24.27 | dromer | what I don't understand is why I have 486 kernels on my system in the first place .. |
| 14:24.39 | dromer | /boot is filled with them :P |
| 14:24.46 | rox | dromer: somebody must have installed them |
| 14:24.54 | wols | cause they are install kernels |
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| 14:25.20 | rox | dromer: and you really only have one -486 kernel |
| 14:25.29 | wols | uninstall the 486 kernels |
| 14:25.29 | chops | Ah, got it, NM |
| 14:25.37 | wols | and updat the -4 2.6.18 one |
| 14:25.41 | dromer | contents of my /boot: http://debian.pastebin.com/m25bb1189 |
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| 14:26.15 | enouf | chops: why you bust our chops man? :-P |
| 14:26.17 | wols | 2.4.27 is from sarge, 2.6.18 is from etch |
| 14:26.21 | chops | enouf: Heh |
| 14:26.32 | rox | dromer: that is still only one kernel |
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| 14:26.51 | dromer | ok, so what do I do know? |
| 14:27.17 | wols | you remove the old kernels and update the 2.6.18 or even isntall a testing kernel |
| 14:27.20 | wols | -686 only |
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| 14:27.29 | dromer | and how do I do this? |
| 14:27.49 | Seldaek | howdy, may someone tell me how to I install an unstable package ? |
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| 14:28.04 | Seldaek | couldn't find an apt source url |
| 14:28.04 | wols | !wayttd Seldaek |
| 14:28.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Seldaek? |
| 14:28.26 | Seldaek | wols: upgrading lighttpd to the latest version, which is still in unstable state |
| 14:28.42 | chops | Huh, now why doesn't this work? |
| 14:28.51 | chops | FW_BOOT_SRCS = $($(wildcard ../utils/fwparam_ibft/*.c):%.c=%.o) |
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| 14:29.30 | chops | If I explicitly set the value of that variable to the .o files generated by all the .c files in that directory, it all works okay... |
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| 14:29.37 | rox | dromer: use apt-get or aptitude or synaptic to uninstall the -486 kernel |
| 14:29.41 | zeld | hi |
| 14:29.49 | rox | dromer: use the same tool to upgrade the 2.6 kernel |
| 14:29.51 | wols | !tell Seldaek about simple sid backport |
| 14:29.58 | Seldaek | danke |
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| 14:30.50 | dromer | rox: so, I apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-486 ? |
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| 14:31.06 | NetEcho | wow the debian formater must do a good job |
| 14:31.24 | enouf | dromer: try apt-get -s --purge remove linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 14:31.29 | NetEcho | its been formating this drive for a long time |
| 14:31.43 | rox | dromer: no, you should remove the other one, 2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 14:31.48 | enouf | dromer: the -s is for simulation , to see what will occur |
| 14:31.55 | chops | Huh, using $patsubst instead worked fine for some reason |
| 14:31.57 | enouf | oh, nm |
| 14:31.59 | dromer | enouf: thnx, lemme pastbin what happened |
| 14:32.04 | dromer | hmm .. |
| 14:32.20 | rox | dromer: the 2.6-486 package is a meta package and it is there for easier upgrade of the other package |
| 14:32.20 | enouf | dromer: sorry, i wasn't following closely enough |
| 14:32.24 | dromer | ok hehe |
| 14:32.25 | Seldaek | wols: no backport it seems, my only question is how do I add a "deb-src line for sid" ? what's the url for it? |
| 14:32.42 | wols | !tell Seldaek about sources.list |
| 14:33.46 | dromer | enouf/rox: http://debian.pastebin.com/m7fc0217c |
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| 14:35.28 | rox | dromer: you upgraded the-486 package, you were supposed to do that with the other package, the -686 |
| 14:36.08 | dromer | rox: ey, you told me to remove and purge it, this is just the simulated output of that command (wel actually enouf gave it) |
| 14:36.09 | Seldaek | wols: again, thanks, I'll try to work my way from there |
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| 14:36.31 | dromer | rox: I understand I shouldn't update the 486 kernel, but somehow it happens .. |
| 14:36.40 | enouf | dromer: yes, nothing happened, it was simulated |
| 14:36.48 | wols | dromer: update all kernels, then remove the 586 one |
| 14:36.52 | wols | 486 ones |
| 14:37.04 | dromer | I'm so confused right now .. |
| 14:37.13 | rox | dromer: either something is very wrong on your box or this shouldn't happen |
| 14:37.17 | Seldaek | wols: just a detail, should I do apt-get build-dep lighttpd or add -t unstable to that? |
| 14:37.17 | dromer | haha |
| 14:37.50 | dromer | rox: i'm really wondering what could be wrong that it's doing this .. |
| 14:37.51 | enouf | Seldaek: the former |
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| 14:37.54 | rox | dromer: if you issue just this command # apt-get --purge remove linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 14:38.06 | dromer | I'll -s it though ;) |
| 14:38.11 | Seldaek | enouf: seems like it's not getting the unstable one though :/ |
| 14:38.13 | wols | Seldaek: don#t add -t unstable when getting build-deps |
| 14:38.20 | Seldaek | okay |
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| 14:38.36 | Seldaek | I'll wait for it to complete see what happens next |
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| 14:39.04 | dromer | rox: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4dc423dc |
| 14:39.22 | rox | dromer: that's the correct behaviour |
| 14:39.23 | Nyle | enouf: vmware does kick ass |
| 14:39.27 | Nyle | Goodmorning btw |
| 14:39.31 | Nyle | rox: you are a great FM |
| 14:39.35 | dromer | rox: ok, I'll execute that command then |
| 14:39.46 | lopwe | Anybody knows what are the best MTU setting for pptp over a vireless link with POPTOP? |
| 14:40.03 | rox | Nyle: ecuse me? |
| 14:40.03 | Nyle | 1500? |
| 14:40.07 | Nyle | 1492? |
| 14:40.14 | dromer | rox: ok, so how do I get the proper kernel installed now? |
| 14:40.19 | Nyle | lopwe: ##networking |
| 14:40.20 | lopwe | Nyle: this is the big issue! |
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| 14:40.31 | wols | Adrian: install a linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:40.33 | enouf | Nyle: hrm, vmwarez? .. ugh |
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| 14:40.42 | Nyle | enouf: no man, trial |
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| 14:40.44 | rox | dromer: you install the latest 2.6 kernel |
| 14:40.44 | enouf | Nyle: good morning too |
| 14:40.49 | Nyle | if I like it, I might buy it |
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| 14:40.55 | Nyle | and so far it hasn't pissed me off |
| 14:40.59 | wols | enouf: don't knock it. found vmware serve on windosw is exactly the answer to my problen |
| 14:41.02 | rox | dromer: or, better, you upgrade the 2.5.-686 kernel |
| 14:41.09 | enouf | Nyle: oh, does, hehe, i thought you said docs |
| 14:41.11 | Nyle | except for the fact that nonroot can't use a physical disk |
| 14:41.13 | wols | would be on linux too if the box there had 512 or more RAM |
| 14:41.14 | rox | 2.6-686 i mean |
| 14:41.29 | Maulkin | lopwe: 1500 minus PPTP tcp header. |
| 14:41.29 | Nyle | I got 4gb ram |
| 14:41.39 | wols | dromer: do you want to stay with testing or go etch now? |
| 14:41.39 | Nyle | I gave my xp pro x64 1gb ram to play with inside the vm |
| 14:41.40 | Nyle | :D |
| 14:41.44 | enouf | wols: well, i have my issues with them as GPL violators .. but nm |
| 14:41.46 | dromer | rox: I'm doing the dist-upgrade, it get's linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 14:41.58 | Maulkin | lopwe: for more info, see ##networking |
| 14:41.59 | wols | enouf: same applies to nvidia and various others |
| 14:42.06 | dromer | wols: I'm not in testing afaik .. |
| 14:42.07 | wols | enouf: how do they violate it? |
| 14:42.08 | rox | dromer: you should do just install |
| 14:42.14 | enouf | wols: my issues extend deep ;-) |
| 14:42.18 | wols | dromer: you said you were according to your sources.list |
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| 14:42.26 | rox | dromer: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:42.28 | wols | unless I think of someone else which is possible |
| 14:42.43 | dromer | wols: have you seen my sources.list? |
| 14:42.48 | rox | dromer: to be honest, i am not sure how dist-upgrade will behave if you give it a package parameter |
| 14:42.50 | enouf | wols: http://blog.gobanquet.com/index.php/the-vmware-house-of-cards |
| 14:42.55 | wols | I've seen -someones_ list |
| 14:42.58 | wols | probably not yours then |
| 14:42.58 | dromer | brb |
| 14:43.24 | lopwe | Maulkin: thanks |
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| 14:44.22 | chops | Hm... so I'm compiling a program that uses bison, and I get "undefined reference to 'yylex'". Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 14:45.12 | Nyle | chops: assuming that you've already googled the error message? |
| 14:45.31 | chops | Nyle: I have, and briefly looked at the results... what I've seen so far didn't help. |
| 14:45.46 | Nyle | keep trying :) |
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| 14:45.51 | spanther | wols do you know the kernel version debian testing amd64 is shipped with? |
| 14:46.02 | Nyle | 2.6.22-4 |
| 14:46.04 | Nyle | or -3 |
| 14:46.08 | Nyle | which one do I have |
| 14:46.19 | Nyle | Linux desktop 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 09:22:35 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:46.37 | spanther | nice :D so this should support my network connection then |
| 14:46.44 | Nyle | no clue |
| 14:46.47 | Nyle | what do you have/ |
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| 14:47.05 | spanther | Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC <-- this :) |
| 14:47.39 | spanther | its a new comp with nforce520 chipset |
| 14:47.47 | Nyle | spanther: try /msg dpkg hcl, try the kmuto link, paste the output of lspci -n there, find out the driver name, and then see if this kernel has it |
| 14:47.57 | Nyle | more than likely it should since it is a fairly recent kernel |
| 14:48.09 | Nyle | but just be aware of which driver you need exactly |
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| 14:50.26 | Nyle | spanther: please do not /msg without permission |
| 14:50.31 | Nyle | spanther: /topic |
| 14:50.50 | spanther | sorry :( |
| 14:51.10 | dromer | wols: ok, want me to pastebin my sources.list first? |
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| 14:53.17 | dromer | heh, I think pastbin is not accepting any pastes from me anymore (been flooding them the last hour ;) ) |
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| 14:54.01 | dromer | wols: my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/915114 |
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| 14:55.43 | spanther | dromer go get a new ip then hehe :) |
| 14:55.57 | dromer | spanther: meh :P |
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| 14:56.23 | chops | Argh -- the problem with yylex() was that I hadn't installed flex :-/ |
| 14:56.32 | rox | dromer: why do you have source repositories from unstable and testing there? |
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| 14:56.41 | Nyle | chops: and how did you find that out? |
| 14:56.47 | rox | dromer: and you are missing the etch contrib repos |
| 14:56.47 | chops | For some confused reason I thought that flex and bison were alternatives instead of complements... |
| 14:56.58 | Nyle | see |
| 14:57.01 | dromer | rox: heh, had to add those for installing the latest archmage |
| 14:57.02 | Nyle | you didn't even need us :) |
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| 14:57.11 | Nyle | chops: good job buddy |
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| 14:57.32 | Nyle | !day |
| 14:57.32 | dpkg | methinks day is 24 hours or 1,440 minutes or 86,400 seconds. |
| 14:57.35 | chops | Nyle: I happened to see the statement "lex/bison/byacc were on board" in one of my google results, and took another think back to school (which was the last time I used those tools :-) |
| 14:57.38 | dromer | rox: hmmm, I am, so, I should comment out the testing and unstable ones and add contrib? |
| 14:58.23 | Nyle | dromer: you need only one sources imo |
| 14:58.23 | rox | dromer: it's just source repositories, you probably aren't going to install any source packages, are you? |
| 14:58.52 | Nyle | either testing or etch, if you have both, sid precedes testing due to higher package version number |
| 14:58.56 | rox | dromer: and you really need only one distribution, be it stable, testing or unstable |
| 14:58.59 | Nyle | afaik which is very limited |
| 14:59.10 | Nyle | rox: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:59.17 | rox | dromer: so yes, comment out the testing and unstable sources |
| 14:59.24 | Nyle | you can keep the unstable sources |
| 14:59.27 | Nyle | if you need to |
| 14:59.37 | jerome | hi there, I have some problems at resume time on a hp nc2400 lappy after suspending to RAM with pm-suspend. Suspend seems OK, but the keyboard doesn't wake up the system. Pressing the power button seems to do so, but then, it remains all unresponsive (display, disks, ...). I'm using an up to date debian sid, I don't have any problematic module loaded (nvidia, wireless or such). Suspend to disk (pm-hibernate) works nicely. Any idea or f |
| 14:59.47 | dromer | rox: so do I don't I need the contrib ? |
| 15:00.09 | rox | dromer: it will not hurt you |
| 15:00.13 | dromer | hehe |
| 15:00.20 | TheInfinity | hmm. one question. how can i prevent mail.* logging into syslog? |
| 15:00.22 | rox | dromer: if you have non-free, why not have contrib |
| 15:00.25 | Nyle | jerome: its unstable. check the bts on acpi etc. |
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| 15:01.07 | Nyle | jerome: sid is not officially supported here afaik, it is too brittle for users |
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| 15:01.33 | Nyle | jerome: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 15:02.00 | dromer | rox: ok, so I updated apt .. now what kernel do I need? :# |
| 15:02.44 | rox | dromer: i told you before, but i'm going to tell you again |
| 15:02.46 | Nyle | !sid |
| 15:02.46 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 15:02.52 | spanther | dromer for server you should use stable and for desktop and multimedia testing for more hardware compatibilities ^^ |
| 15:03.00 | jerome | Nyle: actually, I'm quite a long time sid user :) I'm looking for feedback as google is pretty poor about nc2400. |
| 15:03.11 | rox | dromer: either specifically install the highest version 2.6 kernel for the -686 arch |
| 15:03.18 | Nyle | jerome: really, nothing at all? |
| 15:03.19 | dromer | sorry, 15:42.26 < rox> dromer: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:03.33 | rox | dromer: or just install the package 2.6-686 and it will upgrade your kernel |
| 15:04.00 | jerome | Nyle: well, nc2400 seems well supported for many users. there are even some specific quirks for hal. |
| 15:04.08 | rox | dromer: it depends on whether you want your upgrades to upgrade yaour kernel too or not |
| 15:04.20 | Nyle | check the bugs on the related debian packages? |
| 15:04.20 | dromer | i do :) |
| 15:04.20 | jerome | Nyle: hal / pm-suspend / uswswp |
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| 15:04.29 | rox | dromer: then use the later option |
| 15:04.32 | dromer | rox: hmm, I get a recommended package: libc6-i686 |
| 15:04.59 | jerome | Nyle: my main problem is that I don't have any logs / error messages on resume, which make debugging pretty tough. |
| 15:04.59 | rox | dromer: the 2.6-arch packages are just metapackages, which are useful for upgrading |
| 15:05.28 | rox | dromer: why not, have it installed |
| 15:05.34 | dromer | I will :) |
| 15:05.59 | Nyle | jerome: you are using debian unstable. I would absolutely love to help you, but not as much as I'd like not to. |
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| 15:06.16 | dromer | wewt, finally a 2.6 kernel on my server ;) |
| 15:06.22 | jerome | Nyle: glad you tried :) |
| 15:06.24 | rox | dromer: the point of architecture specific packages is performance optimization and performance optimization is onyly sensible for kernel and a few most used libs |
| 15:06.33 | Nyle | np |
| 15:06.52 | rox | dromer: meaning the kernel, linc and maybe a few script interpreters |
| 15:07.02 | dromer | rox: hehe, not according to Gentoo-philosophy ;) |
| 15:07.02 | rox | s/linc/libc/ |
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| 15:07.28 | rox | dromer: 99% of the time you machine runs the kernel and a few libs |
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| 15:07.38 | dromer | running gentoo for the first time on my laptop btw, but that's for some other discussion ;) |
| 15:07.53 | spanther | dromer omg your poor laptop :) |
| 15:07.59 | rox | dromer: if gentoo people want to optimize everything, i don't mind, as long as they don't consume my time for it |
| 15:08.08 | spanther | gentoo = compiling = heat death for notebook cooling xD |
| 15:08.11 | dromer | spanther: what :P |
| 15:08.14 | dromer | haha |
| 15:08.28 | Nyle | heat death means a lack of heat |
| 15:08.33 | Nyle | not too much heat ;) |
| 15:08.47 | Nyle | "the universe will die a heat death when the hydrogen runs out" |
| 15:08.49 | Nyle | etc. |
| 15:08.49 | spanther | uh no i mean cpu burns because of heat :x |
| 15:08.52 | dromer | haha |
| 15:09.26 | rox | dromer: what kernel did you get installed, when you upgraded the 2.6-686 package? |
| 15:09.44 | NetEcho | anyone here ever used debian to setup a NAS? |
| 15:09.53 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 15:09.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:10.08 | dromer | rox: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:10.11 | rox | NetEcho: ask specific questions |
| 15:10.18 | tdn | Firefox is using 50% CPU all the time, when it is just idling. I think it is the Flash plugin that is causing problems. How do I fix this? It is extremely annoying on my laptop, because it drains the laptop battery. |
| 15:10.22 | NetEcho | that was a specific question |
| 15:10.23 | rox | dromer: wasn't that installed before? |
| 15:10.35 | NetEcho | I don't see how much more specific it can be |
| 15:10.42 | NetEcho | either you have or haven't |
| 15:10.47 | rox | dromer: ah, two minor versions higher |
| 15:10.49 | maligor | I think NSLU people use debian |
| 15:10.59 | spanther | well yeehaa some seconds later i'll have my testing CD burned and can start :x *happy* |
| 15:11.04 | Nyle | NetEcho: what will be your next question if anyone does, or doesn't? |
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| 15:11.04 | maligor | would that qualify? |
| 15:11.11 | Nyle | NetEcho: ask that instead. |
| 15:11.13 | rox | dromer: if you wish so, you can get 2.6.24 kernel source and compile it |
| 15:11.29 | dromer | ah well, it's a big step from 2.4 to 2.6 now already ;) |
| 15:11.35 | Nyle | !ask |
| 15:11.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:11.44 | Nyle | !sicco |
| 15:11.44 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 15:11.44 | NetEcho | ah i see |
| 15:11.47 | peppe | tdn: don't use flash :) and hope for a better JS engine in firefox3 |
| 15:11.52 | spanther | is Hauppauge DVB-T Nova-T PCI TV card supported by testing? its conexant chip |
| 15:12.05 | dromer | rox: hmm, my menu.lst is still dirty as hell, all those other kernels are still in there .. |
| 15:12.08 | chlue | Hello I tried to sync kde's kontact with google calender with kitchensync and opensync, but now I understand, that the version in stable...unstalbe are all outdated and dont work anymore with current kde. Is there another framework in Debian, that should work? |
| 15:12.11 | NetEcho | Nyle I'm trying to determin how to setup a NAS using debian cause the pre-made NAS os's remove my ability to run stuff like webservers |
| 15:12.25 | rox | NetEcho: many of us have, but that was not what you came here to ask, was it? |
| 15:12.34 | Nyle | rox: . |
| 15:13.06 | Nyle | NetEcho: that is a good question, and you can definitely try debian-administration as I recall seeing a few tutorial articles there regarding SAN/NAS (network storage) |
| 15:13.24 | Nyle | NetEcho: google is also a good starting point, "how to setup debian NAS/SAN" |
| 15:13.24 | NetEcho | debian-administration being a package, irc channel or website? |
| 15:13.25 | Nyle | etc. |
| 15:13.29 | Nyle | NetEcho: website |
| 15:13.31 | NetEcho | k |
| 15:13.32 | NetEcho | thx |
| 15:13.43 | rox | NetEcho: so you need a file server - get some disk, install NFS and/or samba and away you go |
| 15:14.13 | NetEcho | rox I don't just need a fileserver I also use this system for other servers too |
| 15:14.19 | Nyle | NetEcho: what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 15:14.21 | dromer | hmm, another note on starting my server: every time I boot when the kernel is leaded during boot there appears a root-shell that has to be disabled with Control-D .. very anoying |
| 15:14.30 | dromer | loaded* |
| 15:14.45 | NetEcho | Nyle its a Mini-ITX system |
| 15:14.46 | Nyle | NetEcho: you are working with an actual NAS server? |
| 15:14.47 | dromer | how can I disable this permanently? |
| 15:15.05 | NetEcho | the CPU is a celeron version of a core 2 duo |
| 15:15.11 | NetEcho | 1.2ghz and 1gb of ram |
| 15:15.18 | rox | dromer: your default runlevel is 1? |
| 15:15.38 | Nyle | depending on usage, it might get bottlenecked due to disk/net i/o |
| 15:15.53 | Nyle | but seeing as even they have 1mb l2 |
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| 15:15.57 | dromer | rox: how can I check this? |
| 15:15.58 | Nyle | well anyway |
| 15:16.05 | NetEcho | yea the usage won't be over extended |
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| 15:16.08 | rox | dromer: let me get this straight - you boot and you get a prompt saying that you should give root password for single user or ctrl-d for further booting? |
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| 15:16.17 | dromer | yah |
| 15:16.18 | Nyle | NetEcho: what exactly do you not like about file server? |
| 15:16.38 | Nyle | NetEcho: what kind of setup are you trying to do? |
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| 15:17.04 | NetEcho | well I have debian setup in a ext3 environment |
| 15:17.06 | rox | dromer: can you show me your /etc/inittab file? |
| 15:17.16 | NetEcho | gonna be running my webserver and possibly a low end game server off it |
| 15:17.17 | Nyle | NetEcho: what all the services you want on this? |
| 15:17.22 | NetEcho | mysql apache |
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| 15:17.31 | Nyle | NetEcho: so basically a lamp |
| 15:17.40 | NetEcho | lamp? |
| 15:17.43 | Nyle | !lamp |
| 15:17.43 | dpkg | i guess lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 15:18.08 | dromer | rox: http://mrtoasted.com/~dreamer/inittab |
| 15:18.12 | NetEcho | ah |
| 15:18.20 | Nyle | and you also want to share a specific location? |
| 15:18.21 | NetEcho | yea pretty much |
| 15:18.24 | NetEcho | no |
| 15:18.28 | Nyle | ok |
| 15:18.34 | dromer | rox: runlevel is 2 ? |
| 15:18.34 | Nyle | NetEcho: now you know what to google for |
| 15:18.34 | NetEcho | I also need the system to store backups over the network |
| 15:18.40 | Nyle | debian lamp server |
| 15:18.41 | NetEcho | with the most efficient manner possible |
| 15:18.50 | Nyle | NetEcho: what is your target OS over the net? |
| 15:18.54 | Nyle | NetEcho: you can use rsync |
| 15:18.54 | NetEcho | WinXp |
| 15:18.57 | Nyle | for backups |
| 15:19.08 | NetEcho | so I need a rsync server setup? |
| 15:19.20 | asg | NetEcho: look at backuppc or bacula if you are backing up XP |
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| 15:19.27 | Nyle | NetEcho: you will have to install samba, smbfs, mount the samba share, and save your backups there |
| 15:19.41 | Nyle | asg: i think he wants to backup linux stuff on windows share |
| 15:19.47 | NetEcho | no |
| 15:19.50 | asg | Nyle: ewww, why? |
| 15:19.53 | NetEcho | backup windows to linux |
| 15:20.02 | Nyle | still, samba |
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| 15:20.05 | NetEcho | ok |
| 15:20.07 | Nyle | !samba |
| 15:20.07 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
| 15:20.25 | NetEcho | so just use samba to setup a home dir as a drive on the network? |
| 15:20.30 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 15:20.34 | dromer | rox: ? |
| 15:20.36 | NetEcho | sounds easy enough thankyou |
| 15:20.37 | Nyle | install samba server, in windows, map network drive |
| 15:20.42 | rox | dromer: your inittab seems to be in good order, then perhaps it's your booting parameters, what does your /boot/grub/menu.lst look like? |
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| 15:21.15 | feysalus | Hi, I have an idea on what kind of response Im going to get, but which is more hassle-free and overall, less prone to breakage in a dual boot system, a common FAT32 partition, or a common ext3 partition that is mounted in windows with ext2ifs ? |
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| 15:22.10 | Nyle | install samba in debian, aptitude install samba; sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf (setup shares here and other options, security level = user); sudo smbpasswd -a <username> ;sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 15:22.24 | dromer | rox: http://mrtoasted.com/~dreamer/menu.lst |
| 15:22.30 | Nyle | NetEcho: ^^ and then in windows map network drive |
| 15:22.33 | rox | feysalus: fat32 is probably more hassle free, while ext3 is probably less prone to breakage |
| 15:22.40 | NetEcho | I remember doing a samba setup for printer sharing a while back |
| 15:22.46 | cusco | my debian system did not bring sudo installed |
| 15:22.48 | Nyle | NetEcho: also #samba |
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| 15:22.57 | cusco | this is not ubuntu |
| 15:22.57 | Nyle | cusco: it does not default to sudo |
| 15:22.57 | dasss | hi. can i install applications by compiling the source code instead of using apt and install the binaries? |
| 15:23.11 | NetEcho | yea deb doesn't install sudo by default but I'm configuring it right now |
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| 15:23.15 | wols | dasss: you can but it's not supported here |
| 15:23.19 | Nyle | NetEcho: its good |
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| 15:23.46 | dasss | wols: what do you mean 'here'? on the debian distribution? |
| 15:23.50 | Nyle | NetEcho: debian DOES install sudo for you, but only with priority=medium or low, and only when you select don't let root login option |
| 15:23.50 | spanther | 2.6.22-3-amd64 still cant find network device (DHCP) |
| 15:23.57 | rox | dromer: most probably you are booting to recovery mode, which offers you single user login |
| 15:23.59 | RichiH | azeem: i am in the debian room, atm |
| 15:24.02 | Nyle | cusco: this is not ubuntu, and you are still a penis. |
| 15:24.11 | cusco | no. you are |
| 15:24.11 | wols | dasss: #debian |
| 15:24.21 | RichiH | anyone else @ fosdem? |
| 15:24.46 | dromer | rox: not that I know of .. |
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| 15:24.58 | dromer | rox: I'm pretty sure I didn't |
| 15:25.00 | dasss | wols: where can i get some help on that then? |
| 15:25.17 | wols | dasss: from whoever wrote the source you want to compile |
| 15:25.22 | rox | dromer: perhaps you only once booted to recovery mode and it saved the default |
| 15:25.29 | jchlg | hello, i got a dell D820 laptop running Debian Etch, my synaptic touchpad is damn slow, hwo to fix it? |
| 15:25.33 | rox | dromer: on boot,, manually choose the first option |
| 15:25.35 | Nyle | 10:23 Ignoring ALL from cusco |
| 15:25.40 | dromer | rox: can't recal ever doing it |
| 15:25.52 | cusco | Nyle: finally |
| 15:25.57 | wols | spanther: grep r8169 /boot/config* |
| 15:25.58 | dromer | rox: ok, shall I try the new kernel? ;) |
| 15:26.08 | rox | dromer: do it now, manually select first option from grub menu |
| 15:26.12 | dasss | wols: oh, i see. does debian support that type of installing process? |
| 15:26.14 | rox | dromer: of course |
| 15:26.16 | wols | spanther: or what network chip is it |
| 15:26.21 | dromer | rox: heh, I'm running irssi from my server :( |
| 15:26.23 | wols | dasss: what kind? |
| 15:26.31 | Nyle | man debian supports so many methods of install its not even funny |
| 15:26.32 | spanther | wols grep? what do you mean? |
| 15:26.36 | feysalus | rox: I read through the ext2ifs FAQ, so I think ext2 would be a better option - but how does it compare to fat32? |
| 15:26.49 | wols | spanther: I mean: DO IT |
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| 15:26.59 | rox | feysalus: compare in what areas? |
| 15:27.00 | spanther | do what i just dont know what you want |
| 15:27.06 | Nyle | feysalus: not stable, even though they claim it to be |
| 15:27.08 | feysalus | rox: performance |
| 15:27.11 | dasss | wols: source-based |
| 15:27.12 | feysalus | oh |
| 15:27.14 | wols | spanther: output of the command |
| 15:27.23 | dreamer | rox: ok, just to stay online from my other machine :) |
| 15:27.24 | spanther | wols i have no terminal.... |
| 15:27.28 | wols | dasss: that is no "installing process" |
| 15:27.32 | Nyle | feysalus: ext2ifs turned my ext2 disk into unreadable on linux, and in windows it started showing up as ext3/ntfs |
| 15:27.33 | rox | feysalus: ext2 is a fully featured filesystem, fat is just barebone files with nothing |
| 15:27.42 | wols | spanther: BS |
| 15:27.55 | Nyle | bachelors in science? |
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| 15:27.57 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:28.10 | wols | Nyle: you talk a lot of BS too and you know it |
| 15:28.14 | feysalus | ok |
| 15:28.17 | wols | bachelor of science = BSc |
| 15:28.20 | Nyle | BS? |
| 15:28.23 | Nyle | namely? |
| 15:28.27 | cusco | wi honours |
| 15:28.27 | rox | feysalus: fat32 does not support unix file attributes, you have no file ownership, no permissions, no nothing |
| 15:28.28 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know what package contains bsd.h? |
| 15:28.35 | wols | !BS |
| 15:28.35 | dpkg | it has been said that bs is Bullshit. Bahamas, or an annoying pain in the ass, so be smart: /ignore bs |
| 15:28.45 | Nyle | wols: yeh, which bs? |
| 15:28.52 | wols | !tell CharminTheMoose about search |
| 15:28.54 | wols | Nyle: first |
| 15:28.57 | rox | feysalus: but it is supported by default in both operating systems |
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| 15:29.04 | wols | you can't "talk bahamas" |
| 15:29.08 | dasss | wols: what do you mean? i'm referring to, for example, the way gentoo or freebsd install software |
| 15:29.13 | Nyle | wols: no idiot. you accused me ot talking a lot of bullshit. what bullshit am I talking? |
| 15:29.14 | dreamer | rox: ok, i'm in grub now |
| 15:29.14 | wols | dasss: no |
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| 15:29.29 | rox | dreamer: select the top option |
| 15:29.31 | wols | Nyle: like "bachelor of science" |
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| 15:29.55 | feysalus | rox: ok, I dont think I'll need permissions, I just need it as backup storage, thanks for the information |
| 15:29.56 | Nyle | wols: ;) was a dead giveaway of "im just kidding" |
| 15:30.19 | wols | yes ut was a dead giveaway: "I was talking bullshit". QED |
| 15:30.21 | Nyle | wols: thats not bullshit.. and if so, then all jokes are bullshit. |
| 15:30.30 | jchlg | ok i got it, alps synaptic |
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| 15:30.44 | Nyle | wols: and as such, you are also full of bullshit. |
| 15:31.02 | spanther | its r8169 chipset and dhcpdiscover searchs for 255.255.255.255 at eth0 on port 67 but nothing happens |
| 15:31.03 | cahoot | Nyle: you actually expect a sense of humor in #debian? |
| 15:31.09 | dreamer | rox: still get: * A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and resume system boot. Give root password for maintenance |
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| 15:31.18 | wols | spanther: lsmod |grep r8169 |
| 15:31.28 | rox | dreamer: then i have no idea why it happens |
| 15:31.36 | dreamer | weird |
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| 15:31.47 | wols | dreamer: there was a message before that one |
| 15:31.54 | spanther | wols r8169 36488 0 |
| 15:32.05 | dreamer | wols: ah yes: * File system check failed. |
| 15:32.10 | wols | spanther: then your dhcp is not working or cable not plugged in or something |
| 15:32.23 | wols | dreamer: press ctrl+d and when you did fsck your / |
| 15:32.26 | spanther | wols LOL yeah thanks i didnt know that before... |
| 15:32.31 | wols | by accessing it via its device name |
| 15:32.31 | dreamer | log is in /var/log/fsck/checkfs |
| 15:32.36 | spanther | and btw. cable is of course plugged in ! |
| 15:32.38 | wols | spanther: that is not a debian problem |
| 15:32.43 | spanther | it is ! |
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| 15:32.51 | peet | spanther, dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 15:32.52 | wols | spanther: a missing dhcp server isn't |
| 15:32.53 | spanther | openSuSE10.3 gives me ethernet |
| 15:32.58 | dreamer | wols: weird, my keyboard layout is reset or something .. back to qwerty ;/ |
| 15:32.59 | spanther | but i wont use .rpm packages |
| 15:33.01 | Nyle | cahoot: actually that wasn't bullshit, it was a query, see the ? at the end, and on the next line, ;) smiley ... if you think im purposefuly lying/bullshittin, then whoever can go fuck themsevles |
| 15:33.05 | peet | spanther, ethernet even? |
| 15:33.05 | wols | dreamer: not weird |
| 15:33.10 | doublehp_ | can someone help me fixing this: "firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 2.0.0.12-1 is to be installed" ? |
| 15:33.18 | spanther | peet huh? |
| 15:33.26 | Nyle | doublehp_: which release? |
| 15:33.29 | wols | peet: r8169 NIC |
| 15:33.47 | Nyle | doublehp_: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 15:33.47 | wols | !tell doublehp_ about firefox |
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| 15:34.04 | Nyle | doublehp_: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 15:34.04 | wols | !tell doublehp_ about iceweasel |
| 15:34.17 | doublehp_ | Nyle: http://doublehp.free.fr/sources.list installed feb 2007 |
| 15:34.26 | spanther | wols eth0: RTL8168b/8111b at 0xffffc20001462000, 00:19:db:f9:10:e0, IRQ 19 r8169: eth0: link down |
| 15:34.37 | spanther | cable is plugged in and router is working fine |
| 15:34.47 | Nyle | doublehp_: thats fine |
| 15:34.53 | wols | spanther: link down. your NIC is fucked |
| 15:34.54 | Nyle | doublehp_: try aptitude, and iceweasel |
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| 15:34.57 | Polleke | spanther, ehmmm... "eth0: link down" |
| 15:35.02 | Polleke | spanther, it's NOT plugged in |
| 15:35.05 | jchlg | :> |
| 15:35.12 | jchlg | or just "ifconfig eth1 up" |
| 15:35.12 | spanther | Polleke yeah ....... lol |
| 15:35.21 | wols | spanther: is the router LED for it on? |
| 15:35.24 | spanther | sure you know its not plugged in i just have it here and you say me it isnt rofl xDD |
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| 15:36.04 | dreamer | rox: ok, booted |
| 15:36.40 | spanther | wols stop that damn i've used windowsXP the whole day before and it WORKED there is nothing wrong with me or this cable or something else openSUSE10.3 x86_64 like i said before has no problems with that and can use DHCP to find my linux router so i have no clue where's the problem here |
| 15:36.43 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. Do I get it right, that sources for nvidia modules can only be found in sid, not in lenny? |
| 15:36.53 | rox | dreamer: did you expect anything else? |
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| 15:37.52 | doublehp_ | Nyle: nice, aptitude downgraded as required so that it can install Firefox; nice, thnks :) my link is good, but if you are in USA or China, the IP range may be banned or blocked. Note that it's not my own link, the file is hosted by my provider, try www.free.fr ... Link is up for me, hosted by my provider, but my provider may be banned by other ones. Not *my* fault. |
| 15:37.58 | Polleke | spanther, can you paste the output of ifconfig -a |
| 15:38.11 | spanther | Polleke eth0 and lo |
| 15:38.24 | Polleke | spanther, rafb.net/paste |
| 15:38.31 | Nyle | doublehp_: cool, glad i could help. what the fuck are you talking about? |
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| 15:38.48 | spanther | lol i have to type everything manually by hand then |
| 15:38.55 | spanther | well....okay |
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| 15:39.25 | doublehp_ | Nyle: I misreaded a line, saying my NIC is down, just between 2 of your lines |
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| 15:39.39 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:39.51 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:39.57 | Polleke | spanther, good point.. nevermind then... |
| 15:40.43 | SchwarzeKrause | Hellooo, can anyone help me? |
| 15:40.52 | Polleke | spanther, try setting an ip manually without dhcp |
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| 15:41.36 | Polleke | SchwarzeKrause, dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 15:42.32 | SchwarzeKrause | Polleke: I did, but no one noticed) I asked, whether it is possible to use module-assistant under Lenny to get nvidia kernel modules |
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| 15:43.17 | doublehp_ | Nyle: wols : I readed dpkg's messsages: does this mean I should stop using FireFox on Debian and prefer iceweasel ? |
| 15:43.43 | rox | doublehp_: firefox on debian IS iceweasel |
| 15:43.52 | spanther | Polleke http://rafb.net/p/QNxo3H55.html |
| 15:44.00 | jchlg | ;> |
| 15:44.10 | doublehp_ | I gotta check program versions ... |
| 15:44.53 | doublehp_ | rox: FF is proposed 1.5, when IW is proposed 2.0 ... I need latest ... |
| 15:44.54 | rox | spanther: do you configure eth0 through dhcp? |
| 15:45.02 | Polleke | SchwarzeKrause, I would say so... if not there is always the manual way |
| 15:45.08 | spanther | rox normally yes since my router is linux based and has DHCP by default |
| 15:45.19 | spanther | its an 180euro thingy |
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| 15:45.40 | rox | spanther: well, your interfac is not configured, meaning it's either nic, cable of dhcp got screwed |
| 15:45.54 | rox | doublehp_: install latest |
| 15:46.13 | spanther | rox some minutes ago i was still on XP and it was running well so cable and nic is okay :) |
| 15:46.13 | rox | doublehp_: iceweasel is firefox minus the feature of autoupgrade |
| 15:46.42 | Polleke | spanther, do you know your ip range and netmask dhcp would configure? |
| 15:46.45 | dreamer | wols: hmm, can't run fsck on that disk atm, since it is mounted (can't umount since it's /home ) |
| 15:47.04 | doublehp_ | rox: Debian still got strange names to call things, but, after bit of help in here, things work :) |
| 15:47.16 | spanther | Polleke it would normally set it to IP 192.168.178.25 Mask:255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.178.1 |
| 15:47.39 | rox | doublehp_: it was a legal issue, the mozilla foundation refused to allow debian the use of the name firefox |
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| 15:47.46 | tdn | peppe, what to use instead of Flash? Can Gnash handle youtube videos and stuff? |
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| 15:47.58 | Polleke | spanther, ok: ifconfig eth0 192.168.178.25 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 15:48.03 | rox | spanther: what is in your interfaces file? |
| 15:48.14 | Polleke | spanther, then: ping 192.168.178.1 |
| 15:48.16 | spanther | rox because of to many changes cause mozilla foundation had fear that they could get a bad name because of changes what can make errors "maybe" :) |
| 15:48.38 | rox | spanther: can you drop your /etc/network/interfaces into pastebin? |
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| 15:49.03 | spanther | Polleke no error message in busybox :) |
| 15:49.09 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, Is there a way to find out which kernel module maps to eth0 ? |
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| 15:49.11 | rox | spanther: well, their decision makes sense from the marketing point of view, but it is far from the spirit of freee software |
| 15:49.21 | spanther | rox nope since its not installed |
| 15:49.35 | cahoot | rubymonk: try the info in /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 15:49.41 | doublehp_ | rox: same mess for Thunderbird ? |
| 15:49.48 | Polleke | rubymonk, dmesg | grep eth0 is a good one |
| 15:49.49 | rox | spanther: do you mean that the file /etc/network/interfaces does not eist? |
| 15:49.57 | rubymonk | cahoot, I didn't ask about udev |
| 15:49.59 | rox | doublehp_: i think so |
| 15:50.02 | spanther | rox i know but they want to have high quality standards so firefox has to be tested that there cant occur problems :) they think more as foundation hehe |
| 15:50.17 | spanther | rox right it doesnt exist the system is still on CD and booted the installer |
| 15:50.30 | cahoot | rubymonk: well the answer is probably there |
| 15:50.37 | spanther | i have busybox enabled and DHCP wont find anything :) |
| 15:50.37 | rubymonk | Polleke, hum, it's not saying :( |
| 15:50.52 | rubymonk | cahoot, Right, what if i don't use udev ? |
| 15:50.52 | rox | spanther: ahh, then when you get to the "configure network" part, just select dhcp |
| 15:51.13 | cahoot | rubymonk: sorry - my bad |
| 15:51.22 | spanther | rox i did but DHCP cant find network |
| 15:51.35 | Polleke | spanther, did you say that the ifconfig returned with no error? What did the ping do? |
| 15:51.50 | spanther | polleke didnt try ping yet sorry hehe |
| 15:51.54 | spanther | lets check :) |
| 15:52.07 | rubymonk | cahoot, Sorry, maybe been a bit rude... I just hate udev, it's certainly linux's most pittyfull thing |
| 15:52.19 | spanther | well -sh: ping: not found <-- i think ping wont work in busybox |
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| 15:52.30 | rubymonk | ... and one of the why's I switched to *bsd |
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| 15:53.14 | rox | rubymonk: i was really sad when they dropped the debian/openbsd project |
| 15:53.34 | rox | rubymonk: it was openbsd with apt-get instead of bsd packages + ports |
| 15:53.54 | rubymonk | I see |
| 15:54.01 | rubymonk | good one |
| 15:54.06 | Polleke | spanther, ok... thats just great... |
| 15:54.06 | rubymonk | Why was it dropped ? |
| 15:54.17 | doublehp_ | is it normal I have iceweasel 2.0 and thunderbird 1.5 ? I'd love to have TB-2 ... |
| 15:54.37 | spanther | Polleke i know xD |
| 15:54.38 | wols | !info thunderbird lenny |
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| 15:54.48 | rox | rubymonk: because they realized that the systems were about equally secure, so there was no reason to use debian/openbsd over debian/linux |
| 15:54.48 | Polleke | spanther, ok.. do: route add default gw 192.168.178.1 |
| 15:54.48 | Polleke | <rox> doublehp_: it was a legal issue, the mozilla foundation refused to allow debian the use of the name |
| 15:54.53 | Polleke | whoops |
| 15:54.55 | wols | doublehp_: install iceape |
| 15:54.59 | Polleke | yay for paste |
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| 15:55.09 | rubymonk | rox, Funny how I doubt that |
| 15:55.19 | wols | damn, whatever they called tbird |
| 15:55.25 | hark | rubymonk: readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module |
| 15:55.26 | rox | rubymonk: that was the explaination |
| 15:55.46 | spanther | Polleke says "route: SIOC[ADD|DEL]RT: file exists |
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| 15:56.35 | rox | spanther: wait a minute, even in the install OS you should have the interfaces file |
| 15:56.46 | rox | you are in the middle of an install now? |
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| 15:57.05 | spanther | well there was "configure network manually" and i did that funny thing was all settings were preset in there |
| 15:57.41 | rubymonk | hark, Good idea, thanks but I don't have device/ |
| 15:57.43 | rox | spanther: press alt-f3 to get the terminal and check /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 15:58.00 | Polleke | spanther, huh, that error is beyond weird... whatever is happening... it's not normal |
| 15:58.12 | spanther | rox i have no console its just BuysBox |
| 15:58.19 | spanther | Polleke yeah i know rofl |
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| 15:58.48 | spanther | well debian testing hehe :) |
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| 15:58.55 | spanther | weekly build |
| 15:59.12 | TimothyA | what is a recommended (full) mailserver for debian? |
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| 15:59.31 | wols | TimothyA: debian already installs one by default. exim4 |
| 15:59.44 | petemc | TimothyA: debian comes with exim4, postfix is popular too |
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| 15:59.57 | wols | spanther: don't use the weekly build to install debian |
| 15:59.59 | TimothyA | well, exim4 didn't allow me to receive/send mail at all |
| 16:00.05 | petemc | you didnt configure it right |
| 16:00.07 | wols | TimothyA: pebkac then |
| 16:00.09 | TimothyA | sendmail at least got me sending mail now...but not receiving it |
| 16:00.17 | TimothyA | wols; some DOCUMENTATION INCLUDED would be nice... |
| 16:00.23 | wols | TimothyA: getting sendmail support here is pretty much impossible |
| 16:00.28 | wols | !info exim4-doc |
| 16:00.29 | petemc | TimothyA: /usr/share/doc/exim4/base/ |
| 16:00.32 | rox | TimothyA: that is not a matter of MTA, it's a matter of configuration |
| 16:00.36 | Polleke | TimothyA. there are tons of exim4 docs |
| 16:00.37 | petemc | erm, exim4-base |
| 16:00.38 | hark | rubymonk: really? what kernel? |
| 16:00.49 | TimothyA | petemc: folder does not exist |
| 16:00.52 | rox | TimothyA: all MTAs will let you send and recieve mail, that's the reason for their existence |
| 16:01.12 | rox | TimothyA: that's their job in the world, sending and recieveing mail |
| 16:01.14 | TimothyA | then I'll try my luck with postfix |
| 16:01.15 | petemc | TimothyA: ls /usr/share/doc/exim4* |
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| 16:01.32 | hark | rubymonk: or maybe try .. udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 |grep -i driver |
| 16:01.41 | TimothyA | petemc; does not exist |
| 16:01.53 | rox | TimothyA: don't be stupid |
| 16:01.53 | petemc | i find that hard to believe |
| 16:02.05 | rox | TimothyA: pick one and learn how to configure it |
| 16:02.05 | TimothyA | rox; i'm not, it just says so |
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| 16:02.15 | wols | petemc: he installed sendmail. that removes exim |
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| 16:02.21 | TimothyA | okay, postfix is running now |
| 16:02.23 | TimothyA | wols; exactly |
| 16:02.32 | rox | TimothyA: all MTAs have the functionality you need, you just need to configure them properly |
| 16:02.41 | TimothyA | ah, finally something that tells me wHERE the configuration files are |
| 16:02.44 | Daejeo | can any help me? i want to set eth1 - |
| 16:02.49 | rox | TimothyA: none of them will come configured the way you want it to be |
| 16:02.49 | TimothyA | that's a relief |
| 16:02.56 | wols | TimothyA: config files are ALWAYS under /etc. ALWAYS |
| 16:02.57 | Daejeo | static ip addess |
| 16:03.06 | wols | !tell Daejeo about interfaces |
| 16:03.07 | TimothyA | wols; sendmail hid them somewhere else |
| 16:03.18 | Agiofws | hey guys |
| 16:03.20 | Agiofws | bash: ./test: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 16:03.22 | wols | TimothyA: no it didn't. it's debian policy to have it under /etc |
| 16:03.23 | rox | Daejeo: read the interfaces(5) manpage |
| 16:03.25 | TimothyA | in /var/d/mail/blabla/config something :| |
| 16:03.31 | Agiofws | whats wrong ? |
| 16:03.39 | TimothyA | but then again, the datacenter it's hosted at is retarded >.> |
| 16:03.46 | Agiofws | i know its stupid ubuntu though |
| 16:03.52 | TimothyA | i actually wanted freebsd instead of debian |
| 16:03.58 | rox | Agiofws: your script has a bad interpreter line |
| 16:03.58 | wols | !tell Agiofws about ubuntu |
| 16:04.04 | rox | Agiofws: that's wrong |
| 16:04.21 | wols | what's wrong is he asks about a ubuntu problem in #debian |
| 16:04.57 | nebM0ft | TimothyA: is freebsd as stable as debian? |
| 16:05.00 | rox | wols: i was refering to my answer above |
| 16:05.05 | Agiofws | rox #!/bin/bash is this a bad interpreter line ? |
| 16:05.15 | doublehp_ | wols: iceape looks like a browser ... what I was looking for was Thunderbird mail reader in version 2.0 ... is possible. |
| 16:05.23 | rox | Agiofws: it could be |
| 16:05.34 | consfearacy | Agiofws, obviously you dont have the permission to run that file.. you need to run it as root, or become root and change its mod: chmod 755 test |
| 16:05.44 | spanther | lol now it says i have to put in the CD1 but its still inside the drive -.- |
| 16:05.48 | spanther | i hate it .... |
| 16:05.55 | Agiofws | why could" |
| 16:05.57 | Agiofws | hmm ok |
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| 16:06.04 | asg | Agiofws: does it work if you use /bin/bash ./test? |
| 16:06.05 | wols | doublehp_: it is, sorry. but tbird got renamed just like iceweasel |
| 16:06.07 | rox | spanther: yes, the installer can be stupid sometimes |
| 16:06.17 | rox | spanther: one more reason to do netinst |
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| 16:06.33 | spanther | rox well yes but without network no netinst :) |
| 16:06.34 | wols | spanther: use a etch netinst isntaller. NOTHING else |
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| 16:06.41 | wols | !tell spanther about kmuto |
| 16:06.42 | wols | use that one |
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| 16:06.48 | spanther | whats kmuto? |
| 16:06.50 | doublehp_ | wols: do u know the new name of TB ? |
| 16:06.58 | rox | spanther: |
| 16:07.03 | hark | doublehp_: icedove is thunderbird.. 2.0 is in lenny/sid |
| 16:07.09 | rox | doublehp_: i think it's icemonkey or something like that |
| 16:07.21 | hark | !icelizard |
| 16:07.21 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey), IceOwl(Sunbird). |
| 16:07.24 | doublehp_ | I try those ... |
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| 16:09.01 | Agiofws | rox, it does work like this /bin/bash ./test |
| 16:09.20 | Agiofws | so does she have to change the perms on test or on /bin/bash ? |
| 16:09.30 | asg | Agiofws: is './test' on a partition that is mounted noexec? |
| 16:09.51 | asg | Agiofws: oh, wait, rename test to something else |
| 16:10.05 | Agiofws | huh ? |
| 16:10.09 | wols | asg: head -n 1 <scriptfile> |
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| 16:10.15 | doublehp_ | hark: rox : icedove is the one I want: replacement for TB, actually 1.5, but upgrading to 2.0 :) |
| 16:10.16 | asg | Agiofws: never mind, brain fart |
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| 16:10.42 | pleed | I m searching for an irc-proxy since my irssi-proxy doesnt work anymore. any ideas? |
| 16:10.50 | wols | irssi |
| 16:10.59 | wols | and irssi does work as bouncer |
| 16:11.08 | pleed | wols: yes but not for me anymore |
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| 16:11.16 | spanther | okay downloading kmuto etch-custom-0215.iso with 2.6.24 hope that works :) |
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| 16:11.20 | wols | pleed: then fix your config |
| 16:11.28 | Agiofws | rox, asg /dev/sda4 on /media/differentreality type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 16:11.32 | Agiofws | ^^ ? |
| 16:11.37 | Agiofws | noexec |
| 16:11.43 | asg | Agiofws: that's why |
| 16:11.52 | Agiofws | ok edit it and take it out ? |
| 16:11.55 | pleed | wols: tried that, deleted the whole conf, created a new with the tutorial and so on... i can connect but it behaves like a server and doesnt redirect me. |
| 16:11.57 | Agiofws | fstab ? |
| 16:12.13 | asg | Agiofws: if that fits in with your security policy, yes |
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| 16:13.12 | Agiofws | asg |
| 16:13.14 | Agiofws | UUID=ddabdf20-4f06-4b83-a78a-8bb65774354a /media/differentreality ext3 defaults,user 0 2 |
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| 16:13.21 | rox | doublehp_: right |
| 16:13.23 | Agiofws | UUID=ddabdf20-4f06-4b83-a78a-8bb65774354a /media/differentreality ext3 defaults,user,exec 0 2 |
| 16:13.27 | Agiofws | like that ? |
| 16:13.41 | rox | Agiofws: noexec is the culprit then |
| 16:13.44 | asg | Agiofws: try it and see |
| 16:13.47 | Agiofws | will it overide defaults |
| 16:13.50 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 16:14.46 | spanther | wols funny thing at ubuntu 7.10 amd64 after choosing boot/install it boots the kernel then the screen goes dark then out of range and then the whole PC freezes and resets |
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| 16:15.52 | pleed | wols: or do you know where to get some example conf oder documentation about the proxy module? i dont understand it because it worked great. |
| 16:15.53 | wols | ask ubuntu about their problems. not us |
| 16:16.01 | wols | irssi.org |
| 16:16.03 | wols | #irssi |
| 16:16.08 | spanther | wols i didn't ask for anything about ubuntu here :P |
| 16:16.18 | pleed | wols: in #irssi, no one answers my question |
| 16:16.20 | wols | spanther: you talke about ubuntu here. that is OT |
| 16:16.32 | wols | pleed: they do. wait around a bit |
| 16:16.34 | rox | spanther: the installer isn't a good friend of yor hardware then |
| 16:16.36 | pleed | wols: irssi.org is just poor documented |
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| 16:16.52 | cusco | pleed: Im using irssi proxy it works great - irssi.org shows how to set it up |
| 16:16.54 | spanther | rox hehe yeah its quite new hardware bought one week ago :) |
| 16:16.59 | wols | http://irssi.org/documentation/proxy |
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| 16:18.09 | rox | spanther: then it would be a good idea to get the most recent netinst CD |
| 16:18.24 | rox | spanther: the installer might be a bit buggy, but it will have the latest hardware support |
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| 16:18.30 | cuco | hi all, i am trying to build a new debian package, and i have the manpage in the debian dir, but it's not installed on the target debian. can any one help me? |
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| 16:18.48 | spanther | rox do you mean sid ? |
| 16:18.48 | asg | cuco: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 16:19.12 | rox | spanther: yes, just for installation |
| 16:19.26 | rubymonk | Can I force I mean _force_ a given driver to be associated with a mac address ? |
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| 16:19.40 | cuco | asg: thanks, i have read the debian maintainer guide several times in my life, and i am not sure which part is broken in my package. |
| 16:19.44 | rox | spanther: or you could build yourself a netinst with a custom kernel |
| 16:19.46 | spanther | rox but how can i use sid installer but then choosing testing repositorys ? :) |
| 16:19.48 | wols | rox: don't tell people to use sid installers. things that don't exist can't be used |
| 16:19.59 | wols | rox: he already uses a 2.6.24 kernel now |
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| 16:20.27 | rox | wols: better to use sid installer then to install windows |
| 16:20.29 | wols | rubymonk: what has a driver to do with a mac address? |
| 16:20.39 | wols | rox: there is no sid installer! |
| 16:20.52 | rox | spanther: maybe it would be better for you to build your own install disc |
| 16:21.04 | wols | and the only installed one uses is the table one. if you want a working install that is |
| 16:21.11 | wols | rox: why? |
| 16:21.17 | rubymonk | wols, Say you use udev, and udev finds out a driver to be the one that's ok for your eth card... but he's wrong, how to tell it to use the other driver ? |
| 16:21.18 | rox | spanther: take a usb dong installer, change the kernel on it and away you go |
| 16:21.27 | wols | !tell rubymonk about blacklist |
| 16:21.40 | wols | rox: have you ever heard of kmuto? |
| 16:22.20 | spanther | well my hardware is MSI K9N Neo-F/V2/V3 (V2 i got) nForce520/560 (520 i got) with 4096MB PC2-6400 CL$ ddr2 and amd athlon64 X2 6400+ so i need software working on that :) |
| 16:22.21 | rubymonk | wolffc, Right, back then to my first question, how do I figure out which driver is used with eth0 ? |
| 16:22.29 | rubymonk | crap |
| 16:22.33 | loslalfos | what's the deal with the exclamation mark anyway? i'm new to irc... |
| 16:22.33 | wols | rubymonk: lsmod? |
| 16:22.40 | rubymonk | wols, Right, back then to my first question, how do I figure out which driver is used with eth0 ? |
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| 16:22.52 | rubymonk | lsmod just give a list of drivers, not the association |
| 16:22.58 | rox | wols: why are you asking me this? |
| 16:23.03 | rubymonk | dmesg wasn't of great help |
| 16:23.10 | wols | rox: lspci and lsmod together will tell you |
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| 16:23.20 | wols | rox: cause you are talking lots of crap |
| 16:23.21 | TimothyA | could i get some help with postfix then? |
| 16:23.25 | S4nD3r | Hello rox |
| 16:23.28 | wols | !tell TimothyA about ask |
| 16:23.37 | rox | wols: what lots of crap? |
| 16:23.40 | rox | S4nD3r: hello |
| 16:23.46 | wols | rox: about sid installers for example |
| 16:23.48 | S4nD3r | Upgrading is almost finished. I had a problem with ssl-cert |
| 16:23.58 | S4nD3r | this do not finishes never... |
| 16:24.00 | S4nD3r | is stopped |
| 16:24.06 | TimothyA | once i finished installing postfix, is it unusual to not be able to telnet on localhost to port 110? |
| 16:24.08 | wols | S4nD3r: generate more entropy |
| 16:24.17 | wols | TimothyA: 110 is pop3 |
| 16:24.22 | TimothyA | and postfix uses... |
| 16:24.22 | wols | postfix has nothing to do with pop3 |
| 16:24.26 | rox | wols: of course, you don't care, it's not your new hardware rotting away |
| 16:24.31 | wols | 25, being a SMTP server |
| 16:24.31 | TimothyA | so, how do i receive email then? |
| 16:24.38 | wols | rox: you talk even more shit |
| 16:24.41 | S4nD3r | entropy ? |
| 16:24.44 | wols | a nforce 5xx is not new |
| 16:25.25 | wols | newly bought but it's not new hardware |
| 16:25.25 | wols | we're up to nf7 now |
| 16:25.25 | rox | wols: mind your own damn business, i wasn't even talking to you |
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| 16:25.25 | wols | rox: telling people to install non existing stuff is not business it's stupid |
| 16:25.25 | S4nD3r | Those packages got errors: ssl-cert cupsys hplip cupsys-driver-gutenprint hal gnome-mount gnome-power-manager gnome-volume-manager hpijs hpijs-ppds network-manager network-manager-gnome sound-juicer update-notifier |
| 16:25.31 | spanther | wols nf7 lol? Oo |
| 16:25.34 | wols | !tell S4nD3r about errors |
| 16:25.35 | TimothyA | wols; smpt is for sending mail, right? |
| 16:26.04 | rox | wols: oh, what was the non existent stuff that i suggested? |
| 16:26.05 | wols | rox: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5236&Itemid=37 |
| 16:26.06 | spanther | wols i've seen nf6 boards at some onlinestores but never nf7 before |
| 16:26.10 | wols | rox: sid installers |
| 16:26.11 | loslalfos | time for a collective hug, no? ;) |
| 16:26.14 | S4nD3r | ssl-cert process of installation do not finished |
| 16:26.19 | S4nD3r | it keeps stopped |
| 16:26.25 | S4nD3r | nothing happens |
| 16:26.25 | wols | TimothyA: and receiving yes |
| 16:26.26 | rox | wols: i never mentioned a sid installer, i mentioned the latest netinst image |
| 16:26.40 | xingu | rubymonk: if you're lucky ethtool -i eth0 will do the hard yards for you. |
| 16:26.48 | wols | !tell rox about kmuto |
| 16:26.51 | TimothyA | wols; then I'm wondering why it keeps sending me back 'Relay access denied' |
| 16:27.02 | S4nD3r | E: Some packages could not be authenticated |
| 16:27.06 | wols | TimothyA: cause your didn't configure it properly |
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| 16:27.23 | S4nD3r | Is the error when i tried to install that packages I told before |
| 16:27.26 | wols | TimothyA: pastebin your main.cf and tell us the domain you want to accept mail for |
| 16:27.49 | spanther | wols burned now lets check |
| 16:27.53 | TimothyA | wols; gee, i got that far on my own, it would be helpful saying what i could have configured not properly |
| 16:27.53 | wols | gl |
| 16:28.09 | wols | TimothyA: mynetworks for a start |
| 16:28.16 | TimothyA | set it up correctly |
| 16:28.19 | rubymonk | Thank you xingu |
| 16:28.29 | spanther | thank you |
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| 16:28.38 | wols | TimothyA: either you pastebin the main.cf or fuck off. your choice |
| 16:28.38 | S4nD3r | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 16:28.49 | wols | !topicsmite S4nD3r |
| 16:28.50 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon S4nD3r. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:28.51 | TimothyA | wols; I'm currently trying to tell vi to do that -_- |
| 16:28.53 | S4nD3r | What to do to do not have this question |
| 16:28.58 | wols | TimothyA: man less |
| 16:29.05 | wols | S4nD3r: read the topic |
| 16:29.06 | TimothyA | but it isn't playing nice |
| 16:29.09 | spanther | WORKED ! :D |
| 16:29.13 | spanther | dhcp runs well |
| 16:29.33 | wols | spanther: never ever use anything but stable installers again |
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| 16:29.47 | spanther | wols like i said it was debian not my pc or cables |
| 16:29.57 | TimothyA | http://pastebin.ca/915178 |
| 16:30.02 | wols | it was your stupidity to use a lenny installer |
| 16:30.15 | spanther | lol? |
| 16:30.24 | S4nD3r | Its impossible to install that packages because them is not authenticated. How to authenticate them??? |
| 16:30.27 | spanther | when etch didnt work surely i try lenny cause its newer |
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| 16:30.58 | loslalfos | wols: i know you can do better than that! ;) |
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| 16:31.05 | wols | than what? |
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| 16:31.24 | wols | loslalfos: I know S4nD3r from before. he's a special moron |
| 16:31.31 | loslalfos | than using cusswords :) |
| 16:31.35 | wols | fuck off |
| 16:31.39 | spanther | but like i said all cables are fine and i am not an idiot there was nothing wrong everything was fine just the kernel was old crap |
| 16:31.47 | S4nD3r | wols: You really knows me ?! |
| 16:31.58 | S4nD3r | When we took some beer? |
| 16:31.58 | wols | S4nD3r: more than I want to |
| 16:32.00 | loslalfos | oh, i see. i did not kno wthat. :) |
| 16:32.09 | TimothyA | hrm, that didn't work either |
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| 16:32.20 | NetEcho_ | what package is it to have debian install sshd? |
| 16:32.23 | wols | TimothyA: describe in more detauil what you are doing |
| 16:32.28 | NetEcho_ | for some reason a server install didn't install it |
| 16:32.30 | wols | !tell NetEcho_ about search |
| 16:32.32 | gordonjcp | NetEcho_: openssh-server |
| 16:32.37 | gordonjcp | NetEcho_: it's left out on purpose |
| 16:32.40 | loslalfos | i hope this "fuck off" wasnt meant towards me... ;) |
| 16:32.40 | TimothyA | wols; I'm trying to setup a mailserver which can send and receive emails. BASIC |
| 16:32.47 | rox | S4nD3r: package manager issues a warning on unauthenticated packages, it doesn't fail to install them |
| 16:32.48 | S4nD3r | NetEcho: opensshd |
| 16:32.49 | NetEcho_ | now why would it do something like that? |
| 16:32.55 | wols | TimothyA: I mean when you are trying to send mail right now |
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| 16:33.08 | wols | e.g from where do you connect? |
| 16:33.08 | TimothyA | i whip open gmail.com and compose a mail to send to root@nlshare.nl |
| 16:33.17 | Airbottle | anyone running debian lenny amd64 as a desktop? i have purchased a newer (and bigger, and faster :p) HD, and i want to put debian lenny on it (now running debian etch i386), is there a benefit of running the 64 bit version instead of the 32 bit, and are there many problems related to this 64 bit environment, such as java, flash? |
| 16:33.24 | NetEcho_ | wtf irssi just screwed up |
| 16:33.27 | Polleke | TimothyA, this server on a home connection? |
| 16:33.32 | S4nD3r | rox : Thank you so much for your helpful patience. |
| 16:33.32 | TimothyA | Polleke: no |
| 16:33.40 | NetEcho_ | brb |
| 16:33.41 | TimothyA | it's on a 1gbit in a datacenter |
| 16:33.49 | rox | NetEcho_: to find specific files within packages, user apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 16:34.04 | spanther | wols sorry for not being god :) but i dont know everything existing so i never heard about kmuto before and debian.org didnt point to that so yeah where the hell should i know? i am not an idiot when i try to use lenny installer then for have a newer kernel and "maybe" more luck |
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| 16:34.32 | Polleke | TimothyA, don't use root for testing your mail. Exim4 for example has some default rules to not accept root mails. Might be the same with other MTAs |
| 16:34.54 | S4nD3r | This wols is so nervous, I dont know why he/she keeps here |
| 16:34.56 | wols | Polleke: his mailserver doesn't even accept ehlo localhost |
| 16:34.59 | TimothyA | i thought root was allowed everything.. |
| 16:35.11 | TimothyA | wols; ehlo? it's helo ain't it? |
| 16:35.15 | Polleke | TimothyA... |
| 16:35.20 | rubymonk | xingu, Actually, big thank you, this fixed my issue |
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| 16:35.50 | loslalfos | ... i always think that the glas is half-full and people are dancing over blossoming fields of joy... :) |
| 16:35.53 | rox | TimothyA: if you are testing mail manually, you should know the protocol at least |
| 16:35.53 | TimothyA | ehlo works |
| 16:36.03 | TimothyA | rox; a slight mixup, ffs >.> |
| 16:36.23 | wols | TimothyA: you have mail (in root@) |
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| 16:36.38 | Daejeo | rox: thank you |
| 16:36.43 | TimothyA | wols; i don't |
| 16:36.52 | Polleke | TimothyA, your mx record doesnt look ok |
| 16:36.55 | rox | TimothyA: the thing about it is, we are all trying to help you and you are being stubborn |
| 16:36.59 | Daejeo | i have installed dnsmasq |
| 16:37.00 | wols | 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 5AB5E4A78663 |
| 16:37.03 | wols | TimothyA: check your syslog |
| 16:37.06 | Daejeo | how can i restart |
| 16:37.06 | wols | Daejeo: good |
| 16:37.07 | TimothyA | Polleke; time to strangle the higherups then |
| 16:37.15 | wols | Daejeo: /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart |
| 16:37.21 | Polleke | TimothyA, is this your server: 62.212.72.21 |
| 16:37.32 | TimothyA | o.O |
| 16:37.36 | TimothyA | that is DEFINITELY not okay |
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| 16:37.47 | wols | nlshare.nl. 86400 IN MX 10 mailfilter.leaseweb.com. |
| 16:37.55 | wols | is your mx record |
| 16:38.00 | TimothyA | yep, gotta strangle a couple of people |
| 16:38.00 | Airbottle | anyone running debian lenny amd64 as a desktop? i have purchased a newer (and bigger, and faster :p) HD, and i want to put debian lenny on it (now running debian etch i386), is there a benefit of running the 64 bit version instead of the 32 bit, and are there many problems related to this 64 bit environment, such as java, flash? |
| 16:38.08 | Daejeo | wols: thanks again |
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| 16:38.14 | TimothyA | he said he changed everything to the right host already |
| 16:38.25 | wols | Airbottle: how much ram do you have? |
| 16:38.31 | Airbottle | 2G |
| 16:38.38 | wols | Airbottle: then i386 is fine |
| 16:38.39 | Airbottle | oops no 1G |
| 16:38.57 | wols | and there are problems with flash and pdf and java |
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| 16:39.11 | Airbottle | ah ok thanks wols |
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| 16:39.26 | TimothyA | wols; should sending with just the IP as the domain work? |
| 16:39.37 | Polleke | TimothyA, it's got a refresh time of a day... it might be still updating |
| 16:39.38 | wols | rox: messaging people unasked is another thing againt "channel policy" |
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| 16:39.48 | Polleke | TimothyA, it can work |
| 16:39.50 | wols | not to mention you are too ignorant what to do in those cases |
| 16:40.01 | wols | like using kmuto's installer |
| 16:40.17 | Polleke | TimothyA, emphasising can |
| 16:40.31 | wols | rox: stop the messaging! |
| 16:40.36 | ericpersson | how come sudo echo "1" > /proc/someplace doesnt work? Seems to me that the redirect happens after the sudo command, I would like it all to be sudo, any hints? |
| 16:40.51 | Polleke | ericpersson, sudo -u |
| 16:40.52 | TimothyA | okay, that didn't work either... |
| 16:40.52 | rox | wols: then leave me a-fucking-lone |
| 16:41.00 | wols | you are messaging ME |
| 16:41.04 | Polleke | ericpersson, ehhh I mean sudo -i |
| 16:41.07 | wols | and you work against chennel rules |
| 16:41.10 | TimothyA | different error though |
| 16:41.15 | TimothyA | Bad recipient address syntax |
| 16:41.31 | wols | TimothyA: for what syntax exactly? |
| 16:41.33 | hoxu | !lart rox |
| 16:41.55 | Polleke | ericpersson, and yes the redirect happens after the sudo command thats why it fails |
| 16:42.03 | TimothyA | i did Bad recipient address syntax |
| 16:42.06 | TimothyA | root@81.171.35.30 |
| 16:42.21 | wols | TimothyA: who said that exactly? |
| 16:42.27 | TimothyA | gmail's servers :/ |
| 16:42.30 | ericpersson | Polleke: i see, but the -i doesnt seem to help.. |
| 16:42.34 | wols | note you can check your postfix via syslog |
| 16:42.41 | loslalfos | wols, rox: i think you really do love each other so much that you can't see how great you are. or something... ;) |
| 16:42.45 | TimothyA | my server's ip is nowhere in the headers |
| 16:42.49 | wols | loslalfos: shut up |
| 16:42.56 | TimothyA | and the syslog is just too dang big (20G) |
| 16:43.04 | wols | seems gmail doesn't like it then. bad luck |
| 16:43.13 | wols | TimothyA: tail -f helps |
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| 16:43.22 | wols | and if it'S 20GB your dbeian is broken |
| 16:43.25 | loslalfos | wols: are you really telling me to shut up like in aggressively telling me to shut up? :( |
| 16:43.30 | wols | no way to generate 20GB syslog per day |
| 16:43.36 | wols | loslalfos: yes I do |
| 16:43.37 | TimothyA | ah, thanks |
| 16:43.44 | TimothyA | wols; it gets rotated once a month |
| 16:43.49 | wols | I have no illusions you gonna comply, but I still say it |
| 16:43.56 | wols | TimothyA: why so rarely? |
| 16:44.03 | TimothyA | and somehow ntop puts all errors in there about packet truncation |
| 16:44.05 | ericpersson | Polleke: so its not possible to redirect "within" the sudoed command, seems like I need to enclose in a script.. |
| 16:44.09 | loslalfos | wols: hmm... that wasn't nice at all... |
| 16:44.16 | NetEcho | where is the config file that debian uses so I can set eth0 to use a static ip? |
| 16:44.21 | xingu | I think we've already established that TimothyA is barely using debian; it's a datacenter install that's been screwed with |
| 16:44.27 | wols | if you want nice, go to #ubuntu. they don't even swear there |
| 16:44.28 | xingu | I mean, /var/b, what's that all about? |
| 16:44.35 | rox | NetEcho: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:44.38 | TimothyA | xingu: i did not do that |
| 16:44.41 | NetEcho | rox thanks |
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| 16:44.51 | TimothyA | i already found it to be odd as i saw it |
| 16:44.59 | wols | TimothyA: what kernerl version? what does dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 say? |
| 16:45.07 | xingu | sure, not blaming you, but it explains some of the other screwiness |
| 16:45.13 | Polleke | TimothyA, root's got mail |
| 16:45.15 | TimothyA | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:45.24 | TimothyA | Polleke; root's not got mail |
| 16:45.30 | ignu | what is a good lightweight graphical file manager (I think I asked that question correctly ... after all I'm an ignorant newbie) |
| 16:45.31 | wols | xingu: at least he runs _some_ etch :) |
| 16:45.35 | loslalfos | wols: no i don't need fucking nice all the time. but i appreciate a reasonable amount of it from time to time... |
| 16:45.42 | xingu | TimothyA: suggest you also test to something _other_ than root@, like maybe uid==1001@ |
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| 16:45.45 | wols | TimothyA: how did you check? |
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| 16:45.58 | TimothyA | wols; with 'mail' |
| 16:46.01 | s2rth | hi |
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| 16:46.12 | s2rth | i wud like 2 know abt dfsbuild |
| 16:46.14 | wols | TimothyA: grep postfix /var/log/syslog |
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| 16:46.21 | TimothyA | wols; thanks |
| 16:46.31 | s2rth | i'm getting error while running it |
| 16:46.35 | wols | also, maybe check mail.log |
| 16:46.40 | wols | !tell s2rth about errors |
| 16:46.43 | TimothyA | well...now that's some weird errors |
| 16:46.52 | wols | TimothyA: pastebin is awsome |
| 16:46.59 | wols | last few errors are enough |
| 16:47.02 | ericpersson | Polleke: solved it with an alias instead.. |
| 16:47.17 | s2rth | D: Init suite lenny |
| 16:47.18 | s2rth | E: Unknown suite lenny |
| 16:47.35 | wols | s2rth: tried "testing"? |
| 16:47.40 | s2rth | yes |
| 16:47.45 | Polleke | ericpersson, it's weird sudo -i didnt work.... but whatever :p |
| 16:47.57 | TimothyA | http://pastebin.ca/915200 |
| 16:47.59 | wols | s2rth: are you using etch packages? |
| 16:48.12 | s2rth | i'm running ubuntu |
| 16:48.24 | s2rth | but i'm using lenny mirror |
| 16:48.24 | TimothyA | hurray for hack attempts.. |
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| 16:48.33 | Polleke | TimothyA, thats my ip in your logs |
| 16:48.45 | TimothyA | oops |
| 16:48.46 | wols | TimothyA: my mail was delivered to procmail as seen in the log (from t-dialin.net) |
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| 16:48.53 | wols | so whatever procmail did with it... |
| 16:48.58 | wols | check procmail's config |
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| 16:49.51 | TimothyA | if i knew where those were |
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| 16:50.00 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.01 | Polleke | TimothyA, and yes it's also not uncommon to see loads of relay attempts in your MTA logs.. I get arround 200 a day |
| 16:50.03 | wols | or ~/.procmailrc |
| 16:50.18 | TimothyA | wols; does not exist :/ |
| 16:50.52 | wols | mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" |
| 16:50.53 | loslalfos | wols: once again, i'd like to emphasize that i'm a reasonable human being who thinks we had some kind of a misunderstanding. but if not: screw you! ;) |
| 16:51.10 | wols | loslalfos: once again I empasisze fuck off and welcome to my /ignore |
| 16:51.13 | TimothyA | wols; i know it says that, but i can't find where the config files are |
| 16:51.24 | wols | TimothyA: probably not configured at all |
| 16:51.31 | TimothyA | and it obviously is not /etc/mail/smrsh/procmail |
| 16:52.31 | loslalfos | wols: are you really *that* aggressive? no sense of humor whatsoever? |
| 16:53.15 | wols | TimothyA: how do you want to acces mail in the future |
| 16:53.25 | TimothyA | wols; through the mail command |
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| 16:53.29 | TimothyA | i don't want anything fancy just yet |
| 16:55.57 | loslalfos | oh, what a poor world with bad people who keep sewearing... ;) |
| 16:56.05 | loslalfos | swearing |
| 16:56.38 | wols | TimothyA: I suggest an imap server |
| 16:56.58 | wols | mail only works with mail and stores in /var/spool/mail/<username> |
| 16:57.17 | wols | that's very limited |
| 16:57.31 | wols | and you'd be the first guy ever using /usr/bin/mail for mail |
| 16:57.40 | wols | so what is your "Normal" mailclient? |
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| 16:58.15 | wols | we need to change the mailbox command in main.cf and it's easier if we change to the "proper" thing direclty insteasd of changing it over several iterations |
| 16:58.30 | TimothyA | wols; thunderbird :x |
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| 16:58.57 | wols | good |
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| 16:59.06 | wols | I'd suggest either dovecot or courier |
| 16:59.11 | wols | but definitely an imap client |
| 16:59.40 | spanther | wols this kmuto install um when i use etch repos what i do well...will an apt-get dist-upgrade change my kernel back to this old etch one? |
| 16:59.46 | TimothyA | i havn't had good experiences with them on freebsd |
| 16:59.53 | wols | TimothyA: note, mail setup is NEVER easy |
| 17:00.02 | wols | define "haven't good experiences" |
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| 17:00.17 | wols | spanther: no it won't and you shouldn't change |
| 17:00.22 | Polleke | TimothyA, what wols said... setting up is non trivial, always |
| 17:00.23 | TimothyA | it wouldn't run at all, and displayed no errors |
| 17:00.35 | TimothyA | and it pretty much killed off the kernel somehow |
| 17:00.45 | spanther | wols lol i know that i shouldn't change :) i mean will it auto change? |
| 17:00.48 | TimothyA | and that was before it was done installing |
| 17:00.50 | wols | courier and dovecot are about the easiest mail storage servers to use |
| 17:00.57 | spanther | because etch repos dont have this newer kernel |
| 17:01.05 | wols | if it did the *bsd is shit, sorry to say that |
| 17:01.08 | TimothyA | k, dovecot is installed |
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| 17:01.34 | wols | TimothyA: I have to admit I use cyrus21 for mail storage so I'm not totally firm how to use dovecot :) |
| 17:01.35 | TimothyA | no manual entry for dovecot |
| 17:01.49 | wols | TimothyA: ls /etc/rc2.d/dove* |
| 17:01.55 | wols | TimothyA: ls /etc/rc2.d/*dove* |
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| 17:02.02 | wols | it shows up there and is started |
| 17:02.17 | wols | server process is either named imapd or "dove" somehow |
| 17:02.20 | TimothyA | S21dovecot |
| 17:02.39 | wols | so you see how it's started |
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| 17:02.45 | wols | it'S started on bootup |
| 17:02.54 | wols | you can check by telnet localhost 143 for example |
| 17:03.23 | TimothyA | it's not started, would restarting inetd do the trick? |
| 17:03.28 | wols | no |
| 17:03.33 | wols | unless you start it over inetd |
| 17:03.43 | TimothyA | isn't that the prefferred way? |
| 17:03.44 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.46 | wols | as root |
| 17:04.02 | wols | no. as S21dovecot shows it's started by itself on bootup |
| 17:04.07 | TimothyA | i can deal with that until the next update build |
| 17:04.22 | spanther | wols well....are you a lil bit agressive? i don't know how i come to this but yeah well :> |
| 17:04.44 | TimothyA | wtf is clamav doing on this distro.. |
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| 17:04.55 | wols | TimothyA: who installed all that shit? :) |
| 17:05.08 | wols | clamav is a virus scanner |
| 17:05.11 | spanther | clamAV = antiVir :) |
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| 17:05.18 | wols | but probably not configured as well |
| 17:05.22 | spanther | omfg next bad word "shit" omg xD |
| 17:05.27 | wols | probably procmails hould scall it |
| 17:05.48 | TimothyA | wols; I don't know who installed clamav, i just saw it in my top :| |
| 17:06.03 | spanther | TimothyA lol :> |
| 17:06.05 | Polleke | spanther, we dont care |
| 17:06.10 | wols | yes. kick them hard. until they squeal |
| 17:06.14 | TimothyA | well, i manually started dovecot...and it's still not running |
| 17:06.32 | wols | TimothyA: if it doesn't start it give a message |
| 17:06.42 | TimothyA | it didn't |
| 17:06.42 | spanther | Polleke but it sounds a bit rude :) |
| 17:06.48 | wols | netstat -anp |grep LIST |
| 17:06.48 | wols | pastebin the output of that please |
| 17:07.05 | TimothyA | at least, port 143 returns connection refused |
| 17:07.06 | wols | spanther: we don't care shit or give a fuck. we are adults here |
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| 17:07.22 | wols | also check syslog perhaps |
| 17:07.24 | radius | without opening the case - what app can i use to determine which cpu chip i have ie. 775? |
| 17:07.34 | wols | radius: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:07.36 | spanther | but i ever thought adults would talk more adult'ish xD |
| 17:07.38 | radius | thanks wols |
| 17:07.52 | wols | spanther: watch more R rated movies mothafucka |
| 17:07.59 | spanther | omg lol |
| 17:08.01 | TimothyA | nothing with 'dove' in the syslogs |
| 17:08.14 | TimothyA | http://pastebin.ca/915216 |
| 17:08.15 | wols | TimothyA: grep all of /var/log :) |
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| 17:08.18 | loslalfos | wols: you might want to step back a bit from your asshol-ness a bit. seriously! you are not as important as you might think you are... |
| 17:08.20 | spanther | wols where are you from i really wanna know it xD |
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| 17:08.34 | spanther | loslalfos thats what i wanted to say gently :) |
| 17:08.44 | wols | what is the output of /etc/init.d/dovecot restart ? |
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| 17:08.48 | wols | spanther: germany |
| 17:09.00 | spanther | omg...........now i am ashamed since i am from germany too -.- |
| 17:09.14 | loslalfos | me too! ;) |
| 17:09.15 | TimothyA | wols; only user creation and installation messages... |
| 17:09.18 | wols | spanther: I am as far as I can see the only on help and answering questions |
| 17:09.24 | wols | you can happily go elsewhere |
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| 17:09.30 | TimothyA | oh, it finally shows an error |
| 17:09.35 | wols | TimothyA: answer my question |
| 17:09.36 | TimothyA | Restarting mail server: dovecotError: No protocols given in configuration file |
| 17:09.45 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 17:09.47 | spanther | wols easier way is that you just start being more gentle :) |
| 17:09.48 | TimothyA | i am trying to answer them all in order >.< |
| 17:10.18 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.34 | wols | TimothyA: from now on ask spanther about your questions. he's "gentler". ahve fun. bai |
| 17:10.35 | S4nD3r | If I hit y, it try to install |
| 17:10.43 | S4nD3r | but do not finish the installation |
| 17:10.56 | TimothyA | wols; but i was just starting to like you :O |
| 17:11.13 | Eulex | S4nD3r, that warning has nothing to do with whether it will succeed or fail to install the package |
| 17:11.34 | S4nD3r | Ok. But the installation do not go on |
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| 17:11.45 | spanther | TimothyA what's the nameserver you want to setup :) |
| 17:11.49 | wols | Eulex: good luck explaining the concept of entropy to him |
| 17:11.52 | spanther | oops mailserver i mean lol |
| 17:12.08 | Eulex | S4nD3r, could we please get the error message you get? |
| 17:12.16 | Eulex | wolffc, :) |
| 17:12.19 | Eulex | *wols |
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| 17:12.35 | TimothyA | spanther; dovecot |
| 17:12.53 | S4nD3r | Eulex: I didnt get error message |
| 17:13.12 | S4nD3r | the ssl-cert package do not finish the installation |
| 17:13.15 | loslalfos | wols: i know i'm already on your ignore-list but i hope to remedy that problem by telling other people about it who in turn will tell you and in the end we will hug each other... ;) |
| 17:13.19 | spanther | loslalfos thats what i hate about some people as more they know they start to be rude because they think they can talk to others like that because they know more...just sad |
| 17:13.25 | Eulex | S4nD3r, why? what is happening? |
| 17:13.38 | S4nD3r | Unpacking ssl-cert (from .../ssl-cert_1.0.15_all.deb) ... |
| 17:13.40 | spanther | TimothyA lets search the net for you then hehe :) |
| 17:13.42 | S4nD3r | Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.15) ... |
| 17:13.48 | S4nD3r | and nothing more happens |
| 17:13.56 | S4nD3r | its waiting... waiting |
| 17:14.03 | TimothyA | spanther; uh? |
| 17:14.07 | spanther | TimothyA do you want an IMAP server? |
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| 17:14.27 | loslalfos | spanther: errm... what do you mean exactly? |
| 17:14.41 | TimothyA | TimothyA; sure |
| 17:14.48 | Eulex | S4nD3r, did you check with top whether it actually isn't doing anything? |
| 17:14.51 | spanther | loslalfos that sometimes knowledge is not everything and that people should stay serious :) |
| 17:14.59 | amphi | !permasunday |
| 17:14.59 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 17:15.12 | loslalfos | spanther: i see ;) |
| 17:15.16 | TimothyA | spanther; current error: Restarting mail server: dovecotError: Can't use mail executable /usr/lib/dovecot/imap: No such file or directory |
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| 17:16.05 | S4nD3r | Theres process running, but never finishes |
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| 17:16.19 | Eulex | S4nD3r, does it use any cpu? |
| 17:16.39 | S4nD3r | No cpu |
| 17:17.05 | S4nD3r | is just at process output |
| 17:17.46 | loslalfos | spanther: the funny thing is that he *really* helped my hours ago. i really do not have an idea why the situation is like it is. seriously! :) |
| 17:17.51 | spanther | what the.....debian boots but then screen goes in "standby" mode when starting X |
| 17:18.01 | loslalfos | my=me |
| 17:18.08 | S4nD3r | so... Eulex look it |
| 17:18.17 | S4nD3r | when I tried to restart the process |
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| 17:18.19 | S4nD3r | this stopped |
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| 17:18.32 | S4nD3r | /usr/sbin/make-ssl-cert: line 92: 4311 Hangup openssl req -config $TMPFILE -new -x509 -days 3650 -nodes -out /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem -keyout /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:18.34 | spanther | loslalfos yep same here but i dont like this rude slang he uses |
| 17:18.58 | Eulex | S4nD3r, ah. |
| 17:19.25 | TimothyA | okay, receiving mail works :) |
| 17:19.25 | amphi | spanther: don't you think that's enough whining? |
| 17:19.30 | TimothyA | and it doesn't does it through dovecot :x |
| 17:19.47 | spanther | amphi yes :) |
| 17:19.53 | Eulex | S4nD3r, could you try banging around on the keyboard a bit, or cause i/o in some other way? I assume that that needs entropy. without entropy, /dev/random will not output anything. which is what the process is waiting for. |
| 17:20.06 | spanther | TimothyA grats :D |
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| 17:20.49 | Heoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.53 | Heoz | hi all |
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| 17:21.32 | Polleke | spanther, config your window x properly... it probably tries to use a vsync that your monitor doesnt support |
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| 17:22.09 | spanther | Polleke but it wants to start X directly so i cant abort it and with this my screen goes in standby mode |
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| 17:22.29 | Polleke | spanther, search for runlevels |
| 17:22.32 | amphi | spanther: stop your ?dm, and reconfgure X correctly |
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| 17:23.03 | spanther | amphi cant stop it since it boots directly and then i cant press ctrl + alt + F1 cause nothing happens its like the pc is freezed |
| 17:23.22 | Mark20 | is it possible to specify an email adres to where all messages from the system for the root user should go? this email adres is on an other server |
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| 17:23.30 | Mark20 | it is mainly needed for the cron |
| 17:23.36 | Mark20 | cronjob |
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| 17:23.45 | amphi | Mark20: /etc/aliases |
| 17:23.47 | Daejeo | how can save iptables active? |
| 17:23.53 | Nyle | amphi: pin |
| 17:23.59 | amphi | Daejeo: iptables-save > some_file |
| 17:24.01 | amphi | Nyle: pon |
| 17:24.02 | amphi | ;) |
| 17:24.21 | Nyle | messin around with xp pro x64 inside vmware on lenny amd64 |
| 17:24.32 | Nyle | I don't even notice a slight lag on my system |
| 17:24.33 | amphi | pervert |
| 17:24.48 | Nyle | I love this pos I built man |
| 17:25.09 | amphi | so why abuse it with redmondian horrors? |
| 17:25.13 | Nyle | amphi: I'm actually trying to find server 03 and exchange 07 |
| 17:25.15 | Mark20 | amphi: do i have to change anything else/restart something? |
| 17:25.17 | Nyle | for work |
| 17:25.21 | Polleke | spanther, as I said.. search for runlevels and how to edit them in your bootloader.. thats probably easiest |
| 17:25.27 | maligor | find? |
| 17:25.34 | Nyle | I haven't messed MS products in a while and few IT depts we maange use that stuff |
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| 17:25.41 | Nyle | !runlevels |
| 17:25.41 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
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| 17:25.58 | amphi | Nyle: ah, the curse of the salt mines |
| 17:26.06 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 17:26.16 | Nyle | amphi: where are you from, if you don't mind my asking? |
| 17:26.27 | amphi | Mark20: as man 5 aliases says, you need to run newaliases after editing the aliases file |
| 17:26.34 | amphi | Nyle: .ie |
| 17:26.39 | Nyle | !ie |
| 17:26.39 | dpkg | i guess ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer |
| 17:26.45 | Nyle | ahh |
| 17:26.48 | Nyle | cousine. |
| 17:26.50 | loslalfos | dpkg, that's conventional. one is able to define his/her own runlevels as he/she pleases... ;) |
| 17:26.50 | dpkg | loslalfos: what are you talking about? |
| 17:27.14 | et | loslalfos: you're talking to a bot |
| 17:27.22 | loslalfos | i'm talking about runlevel in general. :) |
| 17:27.27 | OBcecado | i loled |
| 17:27.40 | Nyle | levels that be runnin |
| 17:27.56 | spanther | !runlevels startup |
| 17:28.13 | spanther | !startup |
| 17:28.14 | dpkg | well, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel> |
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| 17:28.21 | loslalfos | i'm shutting up already... :) |
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| 17:29.09 | Nyle | falafel |
| 17:29.43 | Nyle | I will get sesame chicken, eggroll, and white rice with lots of soy sauce |
| 17:30.08 | Nyle | I wonder what virtualization of hw means exactly |
| 17:30.15 | Nyle | my cpu supports it I guess |
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| 17:30.32 | Nyle | and virtualbox has an option for it, I didn't see one in vmware, to use hw virtualization if possible |
| 17:30.57 | rox | Nyle: virtualization of hardware means that you run virtual hosts in xen of vmware |
| 17:31.20 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:31.25 | wols | Nyle: what you have is memory/cpu virtualization only |
| 17:31.28 | Nyle | i need to learn what hw virtualization is |
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| 17:31.35 | Nyle | wols: oh? |
| 17:31.38 | wols | it means the VM doesn't have to perform costly software emulation for some things |
| 17:31.49 | wols | or needs a special guest kernel |
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| 17:32.00 | Nyle | but it doesn't mean that for example, 3d would work inside a vm |
| 17:32.05 | wols | yes oh. Conroe doesn't dupport I/O virtualization for videocards or other pci devices |
| 17:32.05 | Nyle | using gfx card |
| 17:32.11 | wols | penryn hoever does |
| 17:32.21 | Nyle | ahh |
| 17:32.27 | Nyle | so... conroe sucks? |
| 17:32.28 | wols | yes. 3D doesn't work inside VM since no I/O virtualization |
| 17:32.35 | Nyle | i see |
| 17:32.40 | wols | well better than no VT like mine :) |
| 17:33.04 | wols | kinda like MMX: it sucked too but it was better than what was before |
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| 17:33.08 | Nyle | so where can I find this penryn ;) |
| 17:33.14 | wols | the wolfdale cpus |
| 17:33.19 | Nyle | released yet? |
| 17:33.22 | wols | E8xxx and E9xxx |
| 17:33.23 | wols | yes |
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| 17:33.32 | Nyle | i see |
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| 17:33.42 | wols | has some issues still tho. heat sensors is screwy. but very OCable |
| 17:33.45 | billybobobo | I just installed Etch onto my EeePC's external drive; when I boot it says it cannot find the kernel: "Error 15: File not found" Any tips? |
| 17:33.54 | wols | the quads aren#t really out yet iirc and the wolfdales are in short supply |
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| 17:34.06 | wols | billybobobo: fix your grub |
| 17:34.07 | seik | I just bougth a network card (w-lan) but debian does not communicate with it. what to do? |
| 17:34.11 | Nyle | time go go pick up my sesame chicken |
| 17:34.19 | wols | billybobobo: does your BIOS see the external drive? |
| 17:34.29 | billybobobo | yes; it gets to the Grub boot screen |
| 17:34.31 | wols | seik: what chip does it use? |
| 17:34.43 | billybobobo | I pick the first kernel, and it gives me that error |
| 17:34.46 | seik | wols, how do I check that? |
| 17:34.49 | wols | billybobobo: that's not what I was asking. where is grub installed? |
| 17:34.55 | wols | seik: pci card? lspci |
| 17:35.02 | seik | ok |
| 17:35.03 | k-os | what is the name of the program that install .deb files automatically when you click on it? (no, not automatix or synaptic) |
| 17:35.08 | billybobobo | ah; installed on /deb/sdb and its a boot option |
| 17:35.22 | jchlg | k-os, dpkg ? |
| 17:35.31 | wols | bli |
| 17:35.35 | k-os | without using the command line jchlg ? |
| 17:35.39 | wols | billybobobo: what does your menu.lst say? |
| 17:35.45 | jchlg | k-os, never used "gui" :/ |
| 17:35.55 | limpio | hi, i just installed lenny, what's the name of the app for the public key? it gives me the error: public key is not available |
| 17:35.58 | k-os | hmm, i know ubuntu has it? |
| 17:36.00 | billybobobo | k-os gdebi ? |
| 17:36.05 | seik | wols: it came many things there |
| 17:36.07 | wols | !topicsmite limpio |
| 17:36.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon limpio. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:36.14 | wols | seik: pastebin it |
| 17:36.18 | k-os | thanks a lot billybobobo :) |
| 17:36.30 | billybobobo | wols not sure, lemme boot into the regular Xandros to check it. |
| 17:36.37 | rox | billybobobo: /boot/grub/menu.lst, throw it in pastebin |
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| 17:36.52 | billybobobo | ok gimme a minute |
| 17:38.15 | seik | wols: http://pastebin.com/m506e2134 |
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| 17:38.57 | wols | seik: there is only a wired NIC showing. No wlan |
| 17:39.01 | wols | is it really a PCI card? |
| 17:39.08 | seik | yes |
| 17:39.18 | wols | then you hanve't plugged it in correctly |
| 17:39.19 | billybobobo | wols http://pastebin.ca/915266 is my Debian Etch on EeePC SDcard install |
| 17:40.15 | wols | billybobobo: it is on sdb1 your denian? |
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| 17:40.45 | wols | and the xandors boots with this thing fine but debian doesn't? |
| 17:40.46 | billybobobo | yes AFAIK |
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| 17:41.01 | karrotx_ | does debian have a /var/crash or /var/dump |
| 17:41.07 | karrotx_ | or somewhere that would tell me the core file |
| 17:41.14 | karrotx_ | i had a box go down and i know nothing about it |
| 17:41.18 | wols | !corefile |
| 17:41.28 | billybobobo | Xandros boots fine when I use its HD's Grub; the Xandros option in the Debian/sdb1 Grub doesn't boot (line 138+ in that pastebin) |
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| 17:41.38 | wols | karrotx_: you have logs but when this happens usually at most you see something on console and that's it |
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| 17:41.54 | Eulex | karrotx, if you have core files activated, they will be dumped into the working directory of the program that crashed. |
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| 17:42.06 | wols | billybobobo: then something is wrong in your setup. maybe change debian to be hd0,0 |
| 17:42.19 | mmnicolas | hi people |
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| 17:42.35 | billybobobo | mmm... wouldn't it be hd1,0 at least, since its an 'external' card? |
| 17:42.48 | wols | no. whatever the bios things is first, it is |
| 17:43.03 | wols | you can also use grub's shell and look for it yourself |
| 17:43.04 | billybobobo | ah.. |
| 17:43.33 | wols | that is if grub is working as intended and shows the menu |
| 17:43.44 | billybobobo | so change that root line, also should i change the kernel line below it? |
| 17:43.45 | mmnicolas | im looking for a known way to make a bootable dvd with a minimal install inside a 4.4gb iso, so i can put a 3.2gb tarball containing my / backup, then just boot the dvd and extract the tarball to restore, anyone heard of this ? |
| 17:44.18 | karrotx_ | wols: would it be named "core?" |
| 17:44.31 | wols | mmnicolas: copy a netinst image onto it |
| 17:44.41 | wols | karrotx_: that is only if a userspace app crashes |
| 17:44.46 | Eulex | karrotx, yes, it would be called "core" |
| 17:44.59 | karrotx_ | anything else specific? |
| 17:45.00 | wols | that would be a core file in the apps current working directory if you have set corefiles to be created, yes |
| 17:45.04 | mmnicolas | wols: hrm.. or even the 32mb business card iso ? |
| 17:45.21 | karrotx_ | i inherited this box; so i have no idea what was peviously set |
| 17:45.23 | wols | mmnicolas: wouldn't use that. it requires network access for the base install |
| 17:45.33 | wols | the normal netinst gives you a fully working dbeina without any network access |
| 17:45.34 | mmnicolas | i dont want to install with it |
| 17:45.41 | mmnicolas | i juste want to be able to extract a tarball |
| 17:45.44 | wols | then create a live cd |
| 17:45.55 | wols | !tell mmnicolas about live cd |
| 17:45.56 | mmnicolas | and cfdisk |
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| 17:47.08 | spanther | i cant find a tutorial to boot as runlevel 3 |
| 17:47.21 | billybobobo | wols :) yes just changing the (hd1,0) to (hd0,0) worked great, thank you!! |
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| 17:47.43 | seik | wols: I would bet my life on that it is correctly plugged inn |
| 17:48.04 | jchlg | seik, gimme your life :> |
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| 17:48.17 | loslalfos | spanther: just change the default runlevel in /etc/inittab... |
| 17:48.17 | seik | :X |
| 17:48.27 | wols | don't lose your life |
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| 17:48.42 | wols | seik: as long as lspci doesn't see anything about it it isn't |
| 17:49.09 | seik | okay |
| 17:49.25 | wols | on bootup some BIOSes give a list of pci devices with PCI IDs |
| 17:49.29 | wols | just before grub is loaded |
| 17:49.34 | wols | can you see it there? |
| 17:49.43 | wols | it's a "network controller" you should have two of those |
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| 17:49.49 | spanther | yay found it out :D |
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| 17:50.20 | sander | So.. I came back |
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| 17:52.33 | spanther | debian was preconfigured at graphics card driver "vesa" but this made problems now changed to "radeon" and it works and i have login screen :) |
| 17:52.52 | seik | wols: no |
| 17:54.10 | karrotx_ | hmm, how do i convert blocks to mb? |
| 17:54.25 | sander | dpkg: error processing ssl-cert (--purge): |
| 17:54.25 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 17:54.32 | sander | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 17:54.32 | wols | karrotx_: df output? |
| 17:54.44 | sander | Its so hard to solve it |
| 17:54.46 | karrotx_ | wols: no, quotas |
| 17:54.55 | et | erm |
| 17:54.57 | wols | 1kB usually |
| 17:54.58 | karrotx_ | i'm trying to figure out the current quota on a user; but i can only read it in blocks |
| 17:55.00 | wols | is one block |
| 17:55.05 | karrotx_ | ok, that's what i thought |
| 17:55.10 | NetEcho | Anyone know why debian can communicate perfectly with internal network hosts but can't connect to sources beyond the router when other machines can? |
| 17:55.18 | fastperfekt | spanther: I am curious, have you been on euirc recently as well? |
| 17:55.38 | rox | wols: actually it's anything from 512 bytes to 4k |
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| 17:55.43 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 17:56.01 | dazjorz | What do you guys think about applying bastille on a running Debian server? |
| 17:56.10 | spanther | fastperfekt no? Oo |
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| 17:56.22 | fastperfekt | ok, sry |
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| 17:56.29 | dazjorz | A reboot is possible, but unwanted |
| 17:56.31 | fastperfekt | there's another user with the same nickname |
| 17:56.43 | fastperfekt | yours isn't really common, so i thought... |
| 17:56.45 | spanther | fastperfekt i havent visit euIRC for 2 years now |
| 17:57.17 | dazjorz | anybody? :) |
| 17:57.30 | fastperfekt | ok, nvm spanther |
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| 17:59.25 | Nyle | why does debhelper constantly set limits? |
| 17:59.47 | rox | Nyle: to prevent join floods |
| 17:59.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:00.12 | Nyle | rox: you are named after rox filer? |
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| 18:00.33 | rox | Nyle: no, i am named after my grandfather |
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| 18:00.38 | Nyle | oh |
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| 18:00.50 | Nyle | his name was 'rox'? |
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| 18:01.06 | dazjorz | haha |
| 18:01.18 | NetEcho | ok this is weird |
| 18:01.20 | rox | Nyle: actually it's Rok, i use rox on irc and what cultural stuff i do |
| 18:01.28 | Nyle | cool |
| 18:01.32 | Nyle | just curious :) |
| 18:01.33 | NetEcho | my deb box can contact my router but nothing beyond the internal network |
| 18:01.45 | fastperfekt | NetEcho: Check out the nameserver |
| 18:01.52 | Nyle | NetEcho: dns |
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| 18:01.54 | NetEcho | it had my ISP nameservers |
| 18:02.03 | fastperfekt | choose another one |
| 18:02.03 | NetEcho | but i can't contact IPs either |
| 18:02.04 | Nyle | ping the dns server |
| 18:02.10 | fastperfekt | In /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:02.13 | NetEcho | I can't contact anything but internal IPs |
| 18:02.23 | fastperfekt | A Nameserver from a university near you often fits your needs |
| 18:02.29 | NetEcho | anything beyond the 192.168 range I get network unreachable |
| 18:02.31 | fastperfekt | ok.... |
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| 18:02.44 | NetEcho | rox just had me fiddle with nameservers |
| 18:02.50 | Nyle | NetEcho: router isn't getting WAN side ip/dns? |
| 18:02.55 | Nyle | check router WAN settings |
| 18:03.01 | NetEcho | Nyle I'm connected to that router |
| 18:03.08 | Nyle | I repeat. |
| 18:03.30 | seik | wols: do I have to restart when I plug in a PCI card? |
| 18:03.42 | Nyle | login to router, go to admin mode, if it has a console, or an option, try to ping something from the router. |
| 18:03.49 | NetEcho | any idea how to check wan settings on a linksys wrt45g? |
| 18:03.53 | NetEcho | the router works fine |
| 18:03.57 | NetEcho | I can ping anything and everything |
| 18:04.02 | Nyle | from the router? |
| 18:04.07 | NetEcho | both from this system and from the admin console on the router |
| 18:04.10 | billybobobo | seik: a CI card, inside the computer? for sure! Not a PCM/CIA card tho |
| 18:04.26 | Nyle | NetEcho: ok, then check your gateway/nameserver in linux |
| 18:04.32 | billybobobo | seik: i meant, a PCI card |
| 18:04.34 | NetEcho | gateway is fine |
| 18:04.42 | seik | billybobobo: yes or no? |
| 18:04.43 | rox | NetEcho: my guess is still that the router refuses to do NAT for your box, becaues your box has a static IP and the router will only route for those it gave dhcp to |
| 18:04.48 | seik | do I have to restart? |
| 18:04.49 | NetEcho | nameservers have been changed to 192.168.1.1 because they didn't work as the ISP ns's |
| 18:05.03 | NetEcho | rox but howcome this box can do it with static |
| 18:05.04 | Nyle | rox: wrt54g isn't known to do that. |
| 18:05.10 | Nyle | regardless of firmware used |
| 18:05.19 | NetEcho | I'm using the standard vxworks |
| 18:05.26 | rox | NetEcho: og, yoou have another gbox with a static ip? |
| 18:05.27 | NetEcho | used to run dd-wrt tho |
| 18:05.37 | NetEcho | rox these are the only 2 systems turned on |
| 18:05.41 | rox | NetEcho: but you have some dynamic IPs on the network, right? |
| 18:05.48 | NetEcho | this one has 1.105 the server has 1.100 |
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| 18:06.06 | NetEcho | all other computers are unpluged |
| 18:06.10 | NetEcho | and have been this entire time |
| 18:06.14 | rox | netqif thsat is the case, then i have no idea |
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| 18:06.29 | sander | what ? |
| 18:06.32 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 18:06.36 | screamingbytes | or mornin |
| 18:06.38 | Nyle | NetEcho: using dhcp? |
| 18:06.42 | NetEcho | Nyle it just randomly crapped out after I configured sudo and tired to do apt-get update |
| 18:06.46 | NetEcho | Nyle static ip |
| 18:06.59 | Nyle | but you CAN ping internet nodes? |
| 18:07.03 | Nyle | internal* |
| 18:07.10 | TimothyA | could anyone recommend me any good network analyzers that make fancy statistics? |
| 18:07.11 | NetEcho | yes I can ping the router and this computer |
| 18:07.17 | Nyle | NetEcho: ok |
| 18:07.18 | dazjorz | How do you write 192.168.1.x in the ICANN way, again? (something like 192.168.1.0/24) |
| 18:07.19 | NetEcho | before I did apt-get update I had access to everything |
| 18:07.27 | jchlg | TimothyA, mtr? |
| 18:07.33 | screamingbytes | dazjorz: yes |
| 18:07.34 | rox | dazjorz: exactly |
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| 18:07.38 | TimothyA | jchlg: just 1 computer |
| 18:07.39 | NetEcho | I was even using IRSSI to chat |
| 18:07.44 | TimothyA | and i don't know how the SNMP stuff works |
| 18:07.48 | dazjorz | ah, thanks :P |
| 18:07.49 | Nyle | NetEcho: bring the if down and then bring it up |
| 18:07.49 | jchlg | tcpdump so |
| 18:07.51 | NetEcho | andromeda:~# ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 18:07.51 | NetEcho | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 18:07.59 | NetEcho | Nyle I rebooted |
| 18:08.00 | TimothyA | jchlg: tcpdump so? |
| 18:08.00 | rox | dazjorz: the /number is the number of significant bits |
| 18:08.10 | NetEcho | rebooting didn't even do it |
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| 18:08.15 | jchlg | TimothyA, network analyser is so "vast" |
| 18:08.16 | Nyle | NetEcho: pastebin /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:08.21 | NetEcho | Nyle k |
| 18:08.23 | jchlg | TimothyA, what is your need ? |
| 18:08.40 | JoeThomas | Hi, I wanted to know how I could put my computer in front of my router and have the connection still go to the router itself. |
| 18:08.43 | TimothyA | just to make neat looking statistics for my boss :P |
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| 18:08.53 | Nyle | NetEcho: along with any other info you have regarding your setup. Can you even at least ping the dns server? |
| 18:08.55 | jchlg | TimothyA, cacti + snmpd |
| 18:09.03 | NetEcho | Nyle nope |
| 18:09.04 | rox | JoeThomas: then your computer will have to be the router |
| 18:09.14 | Nyle | anyway gimme pastebin url |
| 18:09.16 | NetEcho | 4.2.2.2 is a very reliable dns server that is running right now |
| 18:09.18 | TimothyA | jchlg; like i just said, i have no idea how snmpd works |
| 18:09.20 | NetEcho | cause the router uses it too |
| 18:09.25 | JoeThomas | rox: Well it's a wireless router also. |
| 18:09.25 | NetEcho | and the system can't reach it |
| 18:09.26 | jchlg | TimothyA, easy :> |
| 18:09.27 | NetEcho | or any other ip |
| 18:09.34 | TimothyA | jchlg; then explain it to me |
| 18:09.34 | Nyle | NetEcho: just for the fuck of it |
| 18:09.36 | screamingbytes | NetEcho can u pastebin your ifconfig? |
| 18:09.38 | Nyle | NetEcho: reboot router? |
| 18:09.39 | TimothyA | because the 95 before you couldn't |
| 18:09.44 | jchlg | TimothyA, google would do it beter for mi |
| 18:09.44 | NetEcho | Nyle already did |
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| 18:09.46 | NetEcho | 2 mins ago |
| 18:09.47 | Nyle | screamingbytes: yeh i asked him that |
| 18:09.48 | jchlg | mi/me |
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| 18:09.55 | rox | jowhy do you want to put it in front opf the oruter anyway? |
| 18:09.55 | TimothyA | jchlg; no it won't |
| 18:09.59 | Nyle | NetEcho: pastebin your stuff |
| 18:10.03 | jchlg | damn 822 user in channel isn't it to follow :) |
| 18:10.05 | NetEcho | http://debian.pastebin.com/m3fd942fc |
| 18:10.09 | NetEcho | there you go Nyle |
| 18:10.19 | screamingbytes | NetEcho: ty |
| 18:10.24 | NetEcho | and screamingbytes |
| 18:10.26 | NetEcho | l0ol |
| 18:10.28 | NetEcho | -0 |
| 18:10.36 | Nyle | iface eth0 inet static netmask 255.255.255.0 address 192.168.1.100 |
| 18:10.37 | Nyle | yeh |
| 18:10.38 | jchlg | TimothyA, google for netsnmp or snmpd (windows, unix, ...) |
| 18:10.41 | Nyle | thats all fucked up |
| 18:10.43 | JoeThomas | rox: for playing with :) |
| 18:10.49 | NetEcho | is it? |
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| 18:10.51 | Nyle | NetEcho: your interfaces file is incomplete |
| 18:10.52 | voraistos | im rolling-up my own kernel, and i dont know what module i need to get dpufrq working.. know how do i get this info ? -the menuconfig help doesnt say much- |
| 18:10.57 | Nyle | no wonder you can't access shit |
| 18:11.00 | Nyle | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\;0 |
| 18:11.03 | voraistos | cpufreq* |
| 18:11.03 | Nyle | gimme a second |
| 18:11.07 | S4nD3r | Every thing I try to install, ssl-cert gives error: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6fa46283 |
| 18:11.09 | rox | JoeThomas: then like i said, then your box would have to be the router for the router |
| 18:11.21 | JoeThomas | rox: alright thanks. |
| 18:11.30 | rox | JoeThomas: install ipmasq and dhcp server and you'r done |
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| 18:11.36 | HyperDevil | can anybody help with rrdtool? i have a problem with some datavalues in the graph. they are now 220.75746, i want to cut them to 220.7 .... |
| 18:12.17 | Nyle | NetEcho: http://debian.pastebin.com/m453c5fdd |
| 18:12.27 | Nyle | NetEcho: notice the last 4 lines |
| 18:12.36 | Nyle | append those and restart networking |
| 18:12.38 | NetEcho | Nyle howcome it worked earlier? |
| 18:12.45 | Nyle | I don't know |
| 18:12.51 | Nyle | but the file was edited |
| 18:13.02 | NetEcho | nope |
| 18:13.09 | NetEcho | it looks exactly as I set it when it was working |
| 18:13.21 | NetEcho | then I rebooted and went on irc with it |
| 18:13.22 | Nyle | debian static ip config *not manual, but through installer option for static* does not stop at just 2 lines under static |
| 18:13.23 | NetEcho | then it crapped out |
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| 18:13.30 | Nyle | i know that |
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| 18:13.34 | Nyle | well try what i said and fix your issue |
| 18:13.40 | NetEcho | the man pages only had 2 lines |
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| 18:13.46 | NetEcho | for static |
| 18:14.17 | billybobobo | Anyone know why kdebase won't install for me today, from Lenny? |
| 18:14.20 | screamingbytes | Nyle: resolv.conf doesnt have a server or domain line either |
| 18:14.34 | screamingbytes | Nyle: pardon, a search |
| 18:14.35 | NetEcho | it worked |
| 18:14.43 | NetEcho | I guess something else was interfearing |
| 18:14.43 | Nyle | screamingbytes: not required afaik, check dns-nameservers entry under static |
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| 18:14.52 | Nyle | NetEcho: what worked? |
| 18:14.54 | NetEcho | Nyle something like dhclient mighta ended up running |
| 18:15.10 | NetEcho | that config you gave me worked |
| 18:15.14 | screamingbytes | Nyle: it is needed for incomplete names isn't it? |
| 18:15.22 | NetEcho | everything resolves now |
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| 18:15.26 | Nyle | screamingbytes: resolv.conf could sit empty for all I care (though I might just be high( |
| 18:15.35 | Nyle | screamingbytes: no |
| 18:15.41 | NetEcho | weird that it worked for a while there |
| 18:15.43 | screamingbytes | Nyle: kk |
| 18:16.00 | Nyle | NetEcho: /topic |
| 18:16.04 | Nyle | NetEcho: do not msg people please. |
| 18:16.15 | NetEcho | sorry |
| 18:16.52 | NetEcho | back to setting up apache |
| 18:17.00 | Nyle | have fun :) |
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| 18:17.32 | Nyle | screamingbytes: btw, look at line 2, he is using routers dns server |
| 18:17.34 | NetEcho | oh I will |
| 18:17.53 | screamingbytes | Nyle: yes i noticed but I am just a perfectionist |
| 18:18.00 | Nyle | of course |
| 18:18.01 | billybobobo | !multimedia |
| 18:18.02 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 18:18.08 | Nyle | screamingbytes: ever used opendns |
| 18:18.12 | NetEcho | yea I configure the router to either use ISP or the 4.2.2.2 - .6 NS's |
| 18:18.44 | screamingbytes | Nyle: my dns server uses local domain, local wins (for the darn windows box's) then external ISP dns |
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| 18:18.55 | Nyle | daisy |
| 18:19.01 | Nyle | from 14 miles away |
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| 18:20.58 | Nyle | ugh |
| 18:21.04 | Nyle | i hate meat and cheese together |
| 18:21.14 | k-os | how can i kill the graphic x server, without ctrl-alt-bakc? |
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| 18:21.27 | libertad | Morning |
| 18:21.30 | libertad | I want to DVD Multibootable with Linux and Windows, some idea? |
| 18:21.30 | screamingbytes | k-os you can use telinit |
| 18:21.35 | k-os | telinit? |
| 18:21.36 | Nyle | k-os: telinit 1 |
| 18:21.42 | Nyle | er.2 |
| 18:21.42 | k-os | ok, thanks :) |
| 18:21.46 | k-os | telinit 2? |
| 18:21.46 | Nyle | not 1 |
| 18:21.51 | Nyle | !runlevels |
| 18:21.51 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
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| 18:22.20 | Nyle | k-os: man telinit |
| 18:22.21 | Eulex | telinit 2 will do nothing, and he certainly doesn't want to do telinit 1 |
| 18:22.22 | obnauticus | What's a good usenet client for linux |
| 18:22.26 | obnauticus | i found one that was nammed after a dog |
| 18:22.37 | Nyle | Eulex: which is why i referenced that |
| 18:22.37 | Eulex | k-os, /etc/init.d/[xgk]dm stop |
| 18:22.46 | Nyle | Eulex: assuming he has a dm |
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| 18:22.52 | Eulex | Nyle, yes. |
| 18:22.57 | obnauticus | i found one that was nammed after a do |
| 18:22.59 | obnauticus | dog* |
| 18:23.09 | Nyle | k-os: you use gdm? kdm |
| 18:23.11 | Nyle | xdm |
| 18:23.12 | k-os | gdm |
| 18:23.13 | Nyle | anything like that |
| 18:23.21 | Nyle | do what Eulex said |
| 18:23.24 | k-os | ok |
| 18:23.28 | Nyle | try /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 18:23.30 | Nyle | as root |
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| 18:23.38 | Mark20 | how can i change the location where the messages from the cronjob go to? it should go to an other server |
| 18:23.43 | Mark20 | i cannot find the solution |
| 18:24.04 | Nyle | Eulex: brainfart i had forgotten i was on debian, been using rhel at work for a solid week |
| 18:24.20 | Nyle | Eulex: confused my run levels ;( |
| 18:24.21 | Eulex | Nyle, ok |
| 18:24.25 | wols | seik: you can only plug it in when you have turned off the PC or you could kill your PC or the card |
| 18:24.34 | seik | ye |
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| 18:26.12 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 18:26.16 | dazjorz | psad seems to require a `mail` cmd |
| 18:26.18 | dazjorz | I don't have that, I think |
| 18:26.24 | S4nD3r | dpkg from channel didnt get help me to solve this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6fa46283 |
| 18:26.32 | dazjorz | /usr/bin/mail, it should be |
| 18:26.33 | e_mpika | hey folks |
| 18:27.57 | e_mpika | im trying to install deb from a usb stick, my usb stick wont boot so i need to run install-mbr, is there a windows equivilent of this as I dont have a debian machine to run install-mbr from |
| 18:28.34 | libertad | I'm searching a software packer for to make a AutoInstall for Mysql-Apache-PHP applications, creating a direct access in the start menu for run http://localhost |
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| 18:29.06 | screamingbytes | Nyle: sorry I just caught your question, I misread it. No I havn't |
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| 18:29.49 | voraistos | e_mpika: to boot from the usb disk, you could use syslinux, which probably has a windows port. |
| 18:30.00 | screamingbytes | Nyle: I have used bind from isc and thats about it |
| 18:30.18 | e_mpika | hmm, i have the files on the stick but it just wont boot |
| 18:30.31 | e_mpika | quite annoying |
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| 18:30.41 | Nyle | screamingbytes: its not a software |
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| 18:30.59 | Nyle | screamingbytes: its just a public/free DNS server |
| 18:31.08 | voraistos | e_mpika syslinux would do the job without destroying the data |
| 18:31.22 | e_mpika | i have to other deb machines but neither have install-mbr on and i cant get it on them for various reasons |
| 18:31.51 | Mark20 | libertad: just make a small .sh file (doing apt-get update && apt-get install apache2 php5 mysql-server-5.0 phpmyadmin etc.) |
| 18:31.55 | Mark20 | it should work |
| 18:31.55 | Nyle | screamingbytes: I use it when isp dns starts to fuck up |
| 18:32.21 | libertad | Mark20: But I need a autoinstall for my applications to |
| 18:32.35 | libertad | Mark20: A packet application |
| 18:32.46 | screamingbytes | Nyle: ahh, dyndns works pretty well too |
| 18:32.57 | Mark20 | libertad: you could start your own mirror with own packages for apt-get |
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| 18:33.01 | e_mpika | hmm, i dont think syslinux is what im after. thanks anyway though voraistos |
| 18:33.07 | Mark20 | that is probably the easiest way |
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| 18:33.25 | libertad | Mark20: Oh ok, thanks |
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| 18:33.47 | voraistos | e_mpika: it is the easy way to boot from usb. i dont see what you want ?! |
| 18:33.48 | HyperDevil | can anybody help with rrdtool? i have a problem with some datavalues in the graph. they are now 220.75746, i want to cut them to 220.7 .... |
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| 18:34.58 | Mark20 | so the systems that have to be installed just need 1 extra line in /etc/apt-get/sources.list (just for your apt-get mirror) and after that run apt-get update && apt-get install [your program] |
| 18:35.08 | Mark20 | it isnt the best way, but it is an option |
| 18:35.37 | k-os | how do i exactly compile my kernel to get the sources and headers? |
| 18:35.38 | Mark20 | and for your clients it is the easiest way |
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| 18:36.15 | e_mpika | voraistos, i just need to install an mbr on my stick |
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| 18:38.15 | eimajenthat | hello all, I have a machine running just a command line shell (no X) and the screen blanks out when I'm idle for a few minutes to provide a low-budget screensaver. For my purposes, I'd rather not have it do this. How do you turn it off? |
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| 18:39.14 | S4nD3r | About entropy... To solve it, I will need to format and reinstall pc wols, Eulex, rox /???? |
| 18:39.54 | Eulex | S4nD3r, no, you will need to cause i/o. bang your keyboard, move your mouse around, make it read a few files, download stuff from the net etc... |
| 18:41.01 | Eulex | S4nD3r, but the last error you got has nothing to do with entropy. what you should do to solve _that_ one is to fix the post-removal script. the simplest way is to add exit 0; at the top of it |
| 18:41.18 | voraistos | e_mpika: if your disk doesnt have an mbr, then you will need a partition recovery tool. Because without an mbr, i dont see how you could ever access your data. |
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| 18:42.01 | e_mpika | you can read a disk without an mbr, just not boot off it |
| 18:42.07 | S4nD3r | its so complicated |
| 18:42.12 | hoxu | eimajenthat, setterm -blank 0 maybe |
| 18:42.29 | rox | S4nD3r: if i emember correctly, you killed post install scriot, so now uninstall fails exactly because the package was not installed correctly |
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| 18:42.59 | S4nD3r | The problem is... how to get uninstall this one |
| 18:42.59 | Eulex | S4nD3r, such scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/. |
| 18:43.11 | Eulex | S4nD3r, I just _told_ you how |
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| 18:43.27 | Eulex | fix the script, try again, success! |
| 18:44.03 | eimajenthat | hoxu: thx |
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| 18:44.43 | voraistos | e_mpika: the mbr contains the table of primary partitions. creating an mbr involves using fdisk on windows. |
| 18:45.05 | S4nD3r | The script now is ok !!! thanks Eulex |
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| 18:45.22 | S4nD3r | I will try the installation again |
| 18:45.42 | voraistos | what you need seems to be a bootloader and maybe the boot flag on a partition e_mpika |
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| 18:46.14 | ignu | There's a little widget that comes with the standard Debian desktop ... it's at the top right and looks like a little mouse and you use it to connect to the internet. What is that widget called and how do I get it? |
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| 18:47.39 | S4nD3r | I just got to remove ssl-cert |
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| 18:48.29 | S4nD3r | the installation problem, is the same |
| 18:48.35 | voraistos | e_mpika: check your friends google and wikipedia. |
| 18:50.05 | edju | Is lenny updated regularly - do newer progs come in from sid? Or is it like etch - once a year or so? |
| 18:50.47 | voraistos | lenny is testing and seems to be updates quite regularly |
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| 18:51.44 | voraistos | edju: yes, a lot of updates, i just checked. |
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| 18:51.50 | voraistos | however things might break |
| 18:52.00 | amphi | voraistos: new stuff moves into testing all the time, until it's frozen before a stable release\ |
| 18:52.03 | voraistos | and you will need to run dist-upgrades |
| 18:52.36 | S4nD3r | running dist-upgrade that I had trouble with this "entropy" |
| 18:52.42 | voraistos | amphi: edju was the interested one :P |
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| 18:53.07 | simonrvn | edju: packages get moved to testing once every ten days, barring serious enough bugs, 2 days if it's a security issue |
| 18:53.10 | S4nD3r | Now is a crazy process to get install certificate package that is need to install cups and some others |
| 18:53.28 | edju | voraistos, dist-upgrade rather than atpt-get update/upgrade? |
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| 18:53.57 | edju | *atpt*apt* |
| 18:54.08 | S4nD3r | apt-get update I'll do after each change in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:54.25 | S4nD3r | apt-get dist-upgrade is to update all your box ! |
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| 18:55.29 | edju | One more question before I run the installer - will it install to an external usb hard drive? |
| 18:55.51 | rox | edju: no reason not to |
| 18:56.14 | rox | edistar: provided that the install kernel sports the drivers needed to mount the thing |
| 18:56.15 | S4nD3r | !!! |
| 18:56.15 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 18:56.30 | rox | edju: i ment you |
| 18:57.08 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 18:57.19 | edju | OK - thanks all - I'm off to do it! |
| 18:57.24 | S4nD3r | I didnt see anybody with ssl-cert problem before |
| 18:57.28 | rox | edju: but if your intention was making a bootable external usb thing, then i am not sure that you will achieve it with just a regular installer |
| 18:58.36 | S4nD3r | edju: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
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| 18:58.45 | voraistos | edju: because this is testing, some packages wont update until you run dist-upgrade. so you may have to apt-get update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade. I just cheacked and it seems i have to do so too... because of directfb it seems |
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| 18:59.44 | godling | Why would my system hang when I try to stop network services? |
| 18:59.47 | S4nD3r | rox |
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| 19:00.05 | rox | S4nD3r: yes? |
| 19:00.08 | obnauticus | Where do i set how lage the framebuffer is for screen |
| 19:00.18 | S4nD3r | Are you getting my msgs??? |
| 19:00.28 | edju | S4nD3r, thanks for that link. |
| 19:00.38 | S4nD3r | edju: ok |
| 19:01.05 | S4nD3r | rox Are you getting my msgs??? |
| 19:01.12 | godling | Whenever I try to start a new command in the terminal, it hangs. My ps output shows a bunch of processes in uninterruptible sleep. |
| 19:01.17 | godling | S4nD3r: Quit being annoying. |
| 19:01.17 | rox | msgs to where? |
| 19:01.27 | edju | voraistos, You mean run that sequence just once after installation, or every time I want to update? |
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| 19:02.11 | S4nD3r | to you rox |
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| 19:03.27 | voraistos | edju, everytime you want to update and it tells you you cant :P |
| 19:03.27 | voraistos | update just discovers any new package updates, upgrade applies the updates, and dist-upgrade is like upgrade, but more hardcore :P |
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| 19:03.54 | rox | S4nD3r: no, you must be sending them to somebody else |
| 19:04.32 | edju | OK - now I'm really off to do it. |
| 19:05.23 | S4nD3r | I need all your help to solve my problem. |
| 19:05.33 | S4nD3r | I do everything you want |
| 19:05.50 | billybobobo | I am getting an error in Lenny after a clean install and dist-upgrade, than an install of xorg and kdebase from lenny: "Fontconfig error: cannot load default config file" Is this bad? |
| 19:06.20 | drwahl | i think i messed up my users groups. when i log in, i get "Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)" and i have no permisions when i glxinfo | grep render. anyone know what i need to do to fix these errors? |
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| 19:06.53 | S4nD3r | drwahl: Is the user in audio group ?! |
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| 19:06.58 | Vorbote | drwahl: add yourself to the audio and video groups |
| 19:07.00 | therandom- | hello people, anyone has any idea how to install X windows using apt-get |
| 19:07.07 | Nyle | !setup x |
| 19:07.07 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 19:07.09 | billybobobo | apt-get install xorg |
| 19:07.20 | therandom- | it says Broken package at the end.. |
| 19:07.24 | jchlg | apt-get install compiz :o |
| 19:07.27 | drwahl | sudo usermod -G audio drwahl is what i did last time. was that incorrect? |
| 19:07.30 | therandom- | compiz owns:) |
| 19:07.37 | billybobobo | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install xorg |
| 19:07.40 | jelly-home | drwahl: sudo? |
| 19:07.54 | drwahl | i cant do usermod as drwahl, i have to sudo to do it |
| 19:08.06 | therandom- | thank you billy. |
| 19:08.06 | Nyle | jelly-home: yes, su do |
| 19:08.07 | jelly-home | drwahl: are you running debian? |
| 19:08.11 | drwahl | ya |
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| 19:08.16 | S4nD3r | what you tell me rox ?? |
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| 19:08.22 | jelly-home | drwahl: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:08.28 | Nyle | why are people shocked when others use sudo on debian? |
| 19:08.29 | luckyshot | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120223684616&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=002 |
| 19:08.50 | jelly-home | Nyle: common idiom on ubuntu, not so common on debian. |
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| 19:08.58 | Vorbote | Nyle: those are the ones that never have worked as BOfH |
| 19:09.00 | Nyle | just because ubuntu defaults to sudo, doesn't mean debian users can't use it |
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| 19:09.00 | ruied | is there any debian package to migrate shadow, passwd and group to LDAP ldif ????? |
| 19:09.01 | rox | S4nD3r: i am telling you that in case you have been sending me /msg, i didn't receive any, so you must have sent them to somebody else |
| 19:09.05 | drwahl | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:09.20 | Nyle | cusco was being a to me cuz i told someone to type sudo |
| 19:09.30 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 19:09.33 | S4nD3r | no problem |
| 19:09.40 | Nyle | (not gonna insult, no point) |
| 19:09.47 | Nyle | but he was being .. anyway, now jelly-home |
| 19:09.56 | Nyle | so must distrust. |
| 19:10.01 | drwahl | what is the name of the video group? |
| 19:10.38 | drwahl | nm |
| 19:10.38 | drwahl | i'm an idiot |
| 19:10.38 | jelly-home | drwahl: in any case usermod -G would clear all the other extra groups you might have added yourself to. use adduser instead |
| 19:10.38 | Nyle | so much* |
| 19:11.07 | Nyle | and fyi, debian installer will install sudo and disable root, if you want it to. |
| 19:11.37 | S4nD3r | ?? |
| 19:11.38 | drwahl | jelly-home: so what do i do if i did -G before? :) is there quick way to get it back to how it was before? |
| 19:11.38 | Nyle | Vorbote: hey dude what is bofh |
| 19:11.39 | jelly-home | Nyle: I've never seen that option, is it in etch? |
| 19:11.50 | Nyle | jelly-home: I'm sure it is in etch as well |
| 19:11.54 | Vorbote | Nyle: a Bastard Operator from Hell |
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| 19:12.05 | Nyle | jelly-home: not priority=high/critical |
| 19:12.12 | Nyle | jelly-home: it depends on 2 debconf levels |
| 19:12.24 | Nyle | jelly-home: priority=low and/or medium |
| 19:12.28 | drwahl | useradd -g users drwahl |
| 19:12.28 | drwahl | useradd: user drwahl exists |
| 19:12.35 | godling | Is there a way to wake a process from uninterruptible sleep? |
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| 19:12.48 | drwahl | i get the same error when i do audio and video as well |
| 19:12.55 | hoxu | drwahl, don't use useradd, use adduser |
| 19:12.55 | jelly-home | drwahl: did I say useradd? I'd swear I said adduser... |
| 19:13.19 | drwahl | gah... details!!! |
| 19:13.24 | drwahl | its too early for this... |
| 19:13.26 | S4nD3r | rox |
| 19:13.27 | Vorbote | Nyle: I went trough grad school working as BOfH. Managing multiuser systems, you have very careful when and where you type root's password. sudo is a blessing. |
| 19:13.30 | Nyle | jelly-home: you can seed the debian installer any which way you like |
| 19:13.30 | jelly-home | !be a reading barbie |
| 19:13.30 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
| 19:13.38 | Nyle | jelly-home: oh |
| 19:13.51 | rox | S4nD3r: yes? |
| 19:13.59 | Nyle | Vorbote: of course, but I guess debian people go instane when sudo is mentioend |
| 19:14.14 | Vorbote | Nyle: and you can read more about being a bofh at http://www.theregister.co.uk/ :-P |
| 19:14.15 | S4nD3r | Could you please, help step-by-step to solve this entropy problem ?! |
| 19:14.15 | Nyle | why? i have no fucking idea. |
| 19:14.19 | jelly-home | Nyle: it's a red flag here, is what it is |
| 19:14.25 | Nyle | jelly-home: oh |
| 19:14.35 | Nyle | jelly-home: cuz of those lyin ubuntu users asking support here |
| 19:14.37 | Nyle | I get it |
| 19:14.46 | godling | Has anyone here had problems with avahi? |
| 19:14.51 | Nyle | its just.. too much distrust in the world of ... well here |
| 19:14.53 | jelly-home | !tell Nyle -about enter :-P |
| 19:14.58 | Nyle | oh god |
| 19:15.05 | Nyle | ;) |
| 19:15.52 | S4nD3r | Could you please, help step-by-step to solve this entropy problem ?! rox |
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| 19:15.59 | jelly-home | godling: yes. One of the things I do after an installation is to get rid of any mdns mention in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 19:16.04 | rox | S4nD3r: tell me about it |
| 19:16.05 | drwahl | finally got it. thanks! |
| 19:16.08 | rox | S4nD3r: what entropy? |
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| 19:16.31 | S4nD3r | wols told me I would need to entropy |
| 19:16.46 | Mark20 | how can i change the location where the messages from the cronjob go to? it should go to an other server (/etc/aliasses newaliasses isnt solving the problem) |
| 19:17.05 | S4nD3r | I didnt get to install ssl-cert yet |
| 19:17.16 | S4nD3r | I need to install cupsys, but this do not installs |
| 19:17.21 | S4nD3r | this ask to install ssl-cert |
| 19:17.21 | hoxu | Mark20, man 8 cron, /MAILTO |
| 19:18.36 | godling | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 19:19.06 | godling | what avahi packages are there besides avahi-daemon? |
| 19:19.19 | hoxu | !tell godling about search |
| 19:19.30 | godling | if I try to sudo aptitude or synaptic, my terminal hangs. :( |
| 19:19.34 | godling | oh right, on the debian site |
| 19:19.35 | S4nD3r | !tell ssl-cert |
| 19:19.46 | therandom- | E: Sorry, broken packages |
| 19:19.49 | therandom- | I get this when I apt-get xorg |
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| 19:19.58 | S4nD3r | !tell certificate |
| 19:20.22 | godling | holy crap, that's a lot of crap. |
| 19:20.33 | S4nD3r | rox S4nD3r, no, you will need to cause i/o. bang your keyboard, move your mouse around, make it read a few files, download stuff from the net etc... |
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| 19:20.39 | S4nD3r | someone told me |
| 19:21.07 | rox | S4nD3r: sudo apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd |
| 19:21.12 | S4nD3r | Im almost formating PC again |
| 19:21.13 | rox | S4nD3r: this doesn't do the job? |
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| 19:21.31 | therandom- | anyone knows a way to install X windows (I use aptitude install xorg, and I get a few packages that are uninstallable, Broken Package, etc)... |
| 19:21.33 | hoxu | therandom-, that isn't helping, pastebin the whole output |
| 19:21.48 | therandom- | second |
| 19:21.53 | therandom- | whats the site |
| 19:21.58 | S4nD3r | Selecting previously deselected package cupsys. |
| 19:22.01 | S4nD3r | Unpacking cupsys (from .../cupsys_1.3.5-1+b1_i386.deb) .. |
| 19:22.07 | S4nD3r | Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.15) ... |
| 19:22.10 | S4nD3r | Stop here !!!! |
| 19:22.22 | hoxu | !pastebin |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 19:22.24 | jelly-home | !!!! |
| 19:22.24 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 19:22.27 | S4nD3r | Now, do not go on |
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| 19:22.42 | andrej__ | hello! |
| 19:22.56 | therandom- | http://pastebin.com/m3708fad |
| 19:23.52 | andrej__ | how can i upgrade kernel form etch to lenny ? |
| 19:24.08 | tictac | umode +C |
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| 19:24.33 | jelly-home | andrej__: if you want to use a newer kernel with etch, look at backports.org |
| 19:24.37 | rox | andrej__: point your sources to a lenny repository and install the aprotriate kernel |
| 19:24.51 | jelly-home | rox: very unwise |
| 19:24.58 | andrej__ | how is the kernel image called? |
| 19:24.59 | therandom- | anyone..? |
| 19:25.02 | rox | jelly-home: i answered his question |
| 19:25.03 | andrej__ | or the upgrade ? |
| 19:25.08 | zinox | has anyone yet used garnome to compile gnome packages? |
| 19:25.21 | S4nD3r | You know to use apt-get andrej__ |
| 19:25.25 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 19:25.27 | jelly-home | rox: have fun supporting his mixed etch/lenny installation. |
| 19:25.29 | rox | jelly-home: the kernel doesn't poull any deps so he would tecnhically end up with etch with a lenny kernel |
| 19:25.50 | jelly-home | rox: unfortunately it does pull dependencies |
| 19:25.58 | rox | andrej__: make sure you point your sources back to etch after the kernel install |
| 19:26.00 | S4nD3r | andrej__: Use dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:26.16 | S4nD3r | andrej__: Use /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:26.18 | rox | andrej__: and what jelly-home said is a cleaner and safer way |
| 19:26.29 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: don't suggest that to people who only want a newer kernel, kthx |
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| 19:26.55 | S4nD3r | Sorry jelly-home |
| 19:27.06 | godling | who |
| 19:27.08 | godling | a |
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| 19:27.18 | S4nD3r | Using /msg dpkg <keywords> you can have some important tips |
| 19:28.04 | godling | awesome. apt-get assumes I want to uninstall qt and openoffice because I want to remove libavahi-qt3-1. |
| 19:28.15 | godling | <3 |
| 19:28.21 | andrej__ | or the upgrade ? |
| 19:28.22 | jelly-home | godling: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:28.24 | andrej__ | sorry |
| 19:28.25 | andrej__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.27 | godling | jelly-home: uninstall avahi |
| 19:28.31 | zophy | how do i configure dhcpd to ignore a particular interface ? |
| 19:28.32 | jelly-home | godling: why? |
| 19:28.37 | S4nD3r | rox when try to install cups |
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| 19:28.48 | S4nD3r | The following extra packages will be installed: ssl-cert |
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| 19:29.01 | S4nD3r | then, this do not go on and keeps waiting |
| 19:29.11 | S4nD3r | here: Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.15) ... |
| 19:29.21 | S4nD3r | its waiting... waiting... waiting |
| 19:29.23 | rox | S4nD3r ok, wait for it to finish |
| 19:29.24 | godling | jelly-home: If I told you why I dislike avahi I would have to resort to epithets and profanity. I would rather not. |
| 19:29.36 | rox | S4nD3r: do you by any chance know what it is doing? |
| 19:29.38 | godling | :) |
| 19:29.50 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 19:29.56 | rox | S4nD3r: and - is the ssl-cert a dependency or just a suggested package? |
| 19:29.56 | S4nD3r | it tooks half hour |
| 19:29.58 | S4nD3r | and nothing done |
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| 19:30.30 | S4nD3r | its dependency |
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| 19:30.58 | rox | S4nD3r: there is something wrong with your installation then |
| 19:31.00 | zinox | has anyone yet used garnome to compile gnome packages? |
| 19:31.01 | S4nD3r | before, tooks half hour, and nothing happened |
| 19:31.14 | rox | S4nD3r: look into the installation of the package and find out what goes wrong |
| 19:31.34 | S4nD3r | ?? |
| 19:31.50 | godling | jelly-home: I turned off avahi in rc-sysv-conf yet it still seems determined to load. When it loads, it tries to (naturally) do stuff with wlan0, which I am having a problem with. So it goes into a deep, coma-like state from which I cannot awaken it. |
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| 19:32.13 | rox | S4nD3r: install the package ssl-cert with dpkg on verbose, look into logs, see where it stops |
| 19:32.16 | godling | but what the hell, I'll remove all this kde stuff. |
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| 19:32.30 | S4nD3r | I will need to download manually |
| 19:32.52 | rox | S4nD3r: no, you already have the package in your apt cache |
| 19:33.00 | godling | HAHA |
| 19:33.02 | rox | !apt cache |
| 19:33.11 | rox | bah |
| 19:33.21 | S4nD3r | I will go there |
| 19:33.29 | godling | what the holy hell does stardict have to do with avahi? |
| 19:34.03 | rox | S4nD3r: it is in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:34.09 | S4nD3r | ok |
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| 19:34.42 | rox | S4nD3r: stop package installation, remove the semi installed package, then try installing it with dpkg in very very verbose mode, to see what happens |
| 19:34.59 | S4nD3r | how to do dpkg with verbose mode? |
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| 19:35.14 | jchlg | -v ? |
| 19:35.17 | masus | does anyone know the firebird channel ? |
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| 19:35.24 | S4nD3r | I guess so |
| 19:35.27 | rox | S4nD3r: man dpkg |
| 19:35.29 | NetEcho | firebird? |
| 19:35.33 | godling | apt-get remove libavahi-common3 # wants to remove pidgin, stardict, cupsys |
| 19:35.33 | rox | S4nD3r: start reading manpages |
| 19:35.40 | masus | yes firbird database |
| 19:35.57 | CLIdiot | Anybody have a solution for GRUB loader to bypass the keyboard check? |
| 19:35.57 | NetEcho | for a second I thought you were refering to the old Mozilla Firebird |
| 19:36.08 | zinox | has anyone yet used garnome to compile gnome packages? |
| 19:36.11 | wols | CLIdiot: what keyboard check? |
| 19:36.13 | wols | there is none |
| 19:36.22 | masus | NetEcho: :) |
| 19:36.27 | NetEcho | CLIdiot that would be the bios check |
| 19:36.28 | wols | I have a PC that has never a keyb attached, works fine |
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| 19:36.33 | CLIdiot | aha |
| 19:36.34 | zeld | hi to all |
| 19:36.35 | CLIdiot | that makes sense |
| 19:36.42 | jelly-home | godling: so why not just remove the avahi-* packages. |
| 19:36.43 | wols | yes, you need to set the bios to ignore all errors |
| 19:36.44 | NetEcho | some BIOS's allow you to turn it off |
| 19:36.47 | wols | including missing keyb |
| 19:36.58 | CLIdiot | I'll poke around there - thank you |
| 19:37.06 | NetEcho | I just leave a keyboard attatched to my itx sys |
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| 19:37.49 | godling | jelly-home: I have. apt-get tells me they are uninstalled and yet the files remain on my system. :/ |
| 19:38.10 | jelly-home | godling: inconceivable! |
| 19:38.56 | zeld | i've an ultra sparc 5 ... and i've installed debian lenny , but i get this error when i try to start xserver-xorg : http://rafb.net/p/6YY84c18.html |
| 19:39.00 | godling | it's too early for this. I'm making tea. |
| 19:39.25 | S4nD3r | rox - its here the output |
| 19:39.27 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.ca/915394 |
| 19:39.33 | zeld | i've deleted the font cyrillic line on xorg.conf but doesnt work |
| 19:39.43 | wols | zeld: no error |
| 19:40.09 | zeld | wols: but goiing in crash ... |
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| 19:41.28 | wols | check your Xorg.0.log |
| 19:41.46 | wols | use a simple WM (twm is good) and run startx |
| 19:42.22 | S4nD3r | I removed |
| 19:42.27 | S4nD3r | and installed using dpkg |
| 19:42.31 | rox | S4nD3r: now find the packages that these missing files were supposed to belong to |
| 19:42.34 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/49784 the output is here rox |
| 19:42.39 | rox | S4nD3r: use pdo or apt-file |
| 19:42.59 | zeld | wols: i've cecked my xorg...and i'havent not found error... (EE) |
| 19:43.21 | zeld | wols: openbox is not good? |
| 19:43.49 | wols | if the WM crashes, X shuts down again quick |
| 19:43.57 | wols | so try another one for testing purpose |
| 19:44.06 | zeld | uhmm.. |
| 19:44.12 | zeld | i try peak or wmaker.. |
| 19:44.42 | simonrvn | obox is fine... |
| 19:44.45 | godling | jelly-home: I swear, all this just started as me trying to get on my home wireless network this morning when I woke up. Now, this... |
| 19:45.20 | godling | HOLY SHIT |
| 19:45.26 | zeld | yes i know.. |
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| 19:45.33 | zeld | also peakwm is fine... |
| 19:45.34 | godling | apt-get remove avahi-* wants to remove mpd? |
| 19:45.35 | godling | WHY? |
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| 19:46.02 | zeld | but i think is not a wm problem... |
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| 19:46.09 | zeld | but the problem is in the fontconfig... |
| 19:46.19 | godling | Who decides on package dependencies? |
| 19:46.30 | valdyn | godling: its not a matter of deciding |
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| 19:46.41 | godling | valdyn: Please extrapolate. |
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| 19:46.55 | simonrvn | godling: library and binary dependencies |
| 19:46.55 | godling | er |
| 19:46.57 | Nyle | you mean elaborate? |
| 19:47.01 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:47.01 | godling | yeah |
| 19:47.01 | valdyn | godling: "depends" means that it wont work at all or core functionality depends on it |
| 19:47.06 | godling | it's early :( |
| 19:47.24 | S4nD3r | rox I installed apt-file |
| 19:47.40 | valdyn | godling: this goes as far as most depends being autogenerated anyway, because that is straightforward |
| 19:47.41 | S4nD3r | now i willl try to find the package |
| 19:47.57 | rox | so, now find out what was that file that was missing and find out to what package it brlongs |
| 19:48.02 | godling | Can you tell me why the core functionality of mpd might require avahi? |
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| 19:48.18 | \amethyst | godling: mpd in debian is linked against the avahi libraries |
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| 19:48.32 | simonrvn | network discovery of other mpds doing multicast |
| 19:48.39 | \amethyst | godling: you can uninstall the avahi daemon, but without the libraries mpd won't run |
| 19:48.49 | S4nD3r | theres no file missed |
| 19:48.50 | \amethyst | (as it is compiled in Debian, that is) |
| 19:48.54 | godling | Is there an mpd package that is not linked to avahi? |
| 19:49.11 | valdyn | godling: not in debian |
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| 19:49.14 | godling | great |
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| 19:49.22 | simonrvn | (and of course you should be blocking that stuff if you have no business doing that ;) |
| 19:49.24 | valdyn | godling: whats the problem? |
| 19:49.36 | \amethyst | godling: the libraries in question are less than half a meg |
| 19:50.06 | \amethyst | godling: it needs libavahi-client3 libavahi-common3 and (indirectly) libavahi-common-data |
| 19:50.26 | godling | apparently stardict is linked against avahi libs as well |
| 19:50.41 | valdyn | godling: dont tell us |
| 19:50.55 | valdyn | godling: but you could tell us what the problem with linking against libavahi is |
| 19:51.19 | \amethyst | godling: most GNOME stuff depends on the avahi libraries |
| 19:51.27 | \amethyst | libgnomevfs2-0 depends on it |
| 19:51.43 | simonrvn | avahi == *nix implementation of "zeroconf", fyi |
| 19:51.56 | godling | valdyn: The problem is that avahi keeps trying to configure my laptop at boot to access my home network, when I don't want it to. |
| 19:52.09 | \amethyst | godling: you can uninstall most of avahi while still leaving the libraries |
| 19:52.09 | DustyBin | can Nero AAC encode a AAC file as well as Itunes? |
| 19:52.26 | simonrvn | sounds more like network-manager |
| 19:52.29 | valdyn | godling: so you want to leave the interface unconfigured? |
| 19:52.38 | godling | valdyn: I will configure it manually. |
| 19:52.45 | valdyn | simonrvn: avahi does that circumstantially |
| 19:52.57 | \amethyst | godling: do you have avahi-autoipd installed? |
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| 19:53.03 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 19:53.09 | valdyn | godling: avahi doesnt infterfere once you configured it manually |
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| 19:53.22 | \amethyst | godling: if so, that's probably the one you want to get rid of (maybe avahi-discover as well) |
| 19:53.41 | \amethyst | valdyn: except that it sets up a link-local address that can really confuse some programs |
| 19:54.05 | valdyn | \amethyst: link local? isnt that ipv6 only? |
| 19:54.08 | godling | \amethyst: apt-get remove avahi-autoipd reports it is not installed, however when I did the apt-get remove avahi-* wildcard, avahi-autoipd was selected. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 19:54.19 | godling | valdyn: Says you. |
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| 19:54.19 | xingu | valdyn: no; 169.254/16 |
| 19:54.35 | valdyn | godling: yea, im running it for years, the avahi stuff |
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| 19:55.07 | valdyn | godling: if its really getting in the way, disable it |
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| 19:55.20 | \amethyst | godling: what does it select to uninstall when you do apt-get remove 'avahi-*' ? |
| 19:55.31 | godling | valdyn: I did, using the sysv-rc-conf utility |
| 19:55.33 | \amethyst | godling: also, you might want --purge on that command-line too |
| 19:55.41 | k-os | how do i upgrade to the latest kernel (unstable) as well as getting the headers and sources? |
| 19:55.43 | \amethyst | (that removes conffiles like the /etc/init.d script) |
| 19:55.53 | \amethyst | k-os: you're running unstable right now? |
| 19:55.56 | valdyn | godling: the symlinks are going to be back on each upgrade |
| 19:56.08 | k-os | \amethyst, yes |
| 19:56.20 | godling | valdyn: each upgrade of what? |
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| 19:56.40 | valdyn | godling: each upgrade of the package that you modified by using sysv-rc-conf |
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| 19:57.10 | godling | valdyn: I'm sorry, I don't follow. |
| 19:57.20 | andrej__ | can someone tell me if you change the kernel you must upgrade some packages on the kernel version like sid ? |
| 19:57.22 | \amethyst | k-os: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 (or -amd64 or -686-bigmem depending on what you need) |
| 19:57.28 | bolt | I have a new harddrive for my laptop. How can I transfer my old system in a reliable way? Is there some good free disk imaging software I can try? |
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| 19:57.42 | godling | \amethyst: I get the same results. |
| 19:57.49 | valdyn | godling: sysv-rc-conf manipulates symbolic links in /etc/rc*.d/ those links get restored as soon as the package providing the specific links is reinstall or upgraded |
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| 19:58.12 | \amethyst | godling: could you pastebin the output of 'apt-get remove avahi-*' |
| 19:58.12 | \amethyst | ? |
| 19:58.15 | k-os | \amethyst, did you have any clue? |
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| 19:58.23 | faus | hi to all |
| 19:58.31 | godling | \amethyst: unfortunately, no. This is on my laptop, which isn't connected to the internet. |
| 19:58.33 | faus | i have one problem :) |
| 19:58.47 | \amethyst | k-os: then for the source and headers: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.24 linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 19:58.52 | faus | how i can get a new source list ? |
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| 19:59.06 | asdada | faus: go buy a book and lear ;) |
| 19:59.12 | godling | \amethyst: What is it that you are looking for? |
| 19:59.14 | k-os | faus, edit /etc/apt/soruces.list |
| 19:59.40 | \amethyst | godling: wondering exactly what packages it was trying to uninstall... because that shouldn't remove the libraries, meaning it shouldn't affect mpd |
| 19:59.47 | asdada | how i can force lilo.conf to boot debian too not only slackware |
| 19:59.54 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 19:59.54 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:59.55 | \amethyst | godling: the libraries start with 'libavahi', not 'avahi' |
| 20:00.16 | godling | \amethyst: it's selecting those library packages (eg. libavahi-qt3-1) for the regex |
| 20:01.24 | simonrvn | fix your regexp then ;) |
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| 20:02.13 | godling | simonrvn: Thanks for the highly constructive advice. |
| 20:02.14 | \amethyst | godling: what about aptitude purge ^avahi |
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| 20:02.43 | S4nD3r | rox |
| 20:02.45 | S4nD3r | look it |
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| 20:02.48 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/49786 |
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| 20:03.00 | simonrvn | godling: thank for being no more sarcastic than necessary |
| 20:03.07 | simonrvn | thanks* |
| 20:03.18 | beoba | hi, i'm having issues installing a samsung ml-1740 printer -- both usb and parallel don't work |
| 20:03.30 | beoba | this has worked fine in the past, i'd just go through the cups http://localhost:631 interface |
| 20:03.59 | beoba | but this time, when selecting the location of the (locally installed) printer, i am given neither the parallel interface nor the usb interface as options |
| 20:04.04 | S4nD3r | rox what do you think ? |
| 20:04.07 | beoba | only given pseudo-interfaces |
| 20:04.15 | rox | S4nD3r: ok, so this creates a certificate |
| 20:04.23 | beoba | is there some obscure package that im supposed to have installed to allow for parallel or usb interfaces? |
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| 20:04.46 | rox | S4nD3r: meaning that there must be something wrong with the installation of certificate generating stuff |
| 20:04.56 | S4nD3r | Yes. ! |
| 20:05.09 | cusco | 19:14:54 < Nyle> just because ubuntu defaults to sudo, doesn't mean debian users can't use it |
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| 20:05.15 | cusco | nor does it mean that they must |
| 20:05.17 | rox | S4nD3r: ok, now i will give you a crash course into dissecting deb packages |
| 20:05.17 | cusco | 19:15:14 < Nyle> cusco was being a to me cuz i told someone to type sudo |
| 20:05.22 | xingu | about bloody time; the root's got AAAA's! yay! |
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| 20:05.33 | cusco | you were beeing a bigger "" just for paying so much atention to me |
| 20:05.48 | gigo | hi |
| 20:05.50 | gigo | is there any good FTP client that will let me upload folders to my FTP server recursively? |
| 20:05.53 | rox | S4nD3r: a deb package is an ar archive of two tarballs, one containst files to be installed, the other contains scrupts to be run |
| 20:05.58 | cusco | gigo: lftp |
| 20:06.10 | rox | S4nD3r: it stops in post-install scripts, we have already determined that |
| 20:06.11 | S4nD3r | OK ! |
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| 20:06.28 | S4nD3r | Sure !!! |
| 20:06.29 | rox | S4nD3r: open up the deb package and find the install script that fails |
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| 20:07.16 | S4nD3r | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ssl-cert.postinst |
| 20:07.33 | S4nD3r | here is one error chgrp ssl-cert /etc/ssl/private |
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| 20:07.48 | S4nD3r | here is another chmod g+x /etc/ssl/private |
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| 20:09.39 | rox | S4nD3r: so the missing file is what? the /etc/ssl/private ? |
| 20:10.40 | S4nD3r | theres no this directory |
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| 20:12.41 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: so... mkdir it? |
| 20:13.17 | S4nD3r | I created, but this is not the solution |
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| 20:13.52 | CrashSys | do I just need the first Etch DVD for install? Are the other two just sources? |
| 20:13.55 | CrashSys | for x86 |
| 20:14.18 | S4nD3r | look it rox http://paste.debian.net/49787 |
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| 20:15.09 | S4nD3r | line 13 do not finish to run |
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| 20:17.14 | rox | S4nD3r: S4nD3r so what is missing? |
| 20:17.23 | rox | S4nD3r: what happens there? |
| 20:17.35 | S4nD3r | make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil this never finish to run |
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| 20:22.24 | S4nD3r | oh.... |
| 20:22.27 | S4nD3r | its strange |
| 20:23.02 | rox | S4nD3r: mate, it's not hard, you are already there |
| 20:23.10 | rox | S4nD3r: find out what fails and fi it |
| 20:23.20 | eimajenthat | do shell scripts support arrays? |
| 20:23.31 | S4nD3r | this command do not works |
| 20:23.34 | rox | S4nD3r: what happens if you run the make-ssl-cert thing manually? |
| 20:23.34 | godling | \amethyst: 'Couldn't find package "^avahi".' |
| 20:23.36 | eimajenthat | nevermind, I can probably look that up |
| 20:23.43 | rox | eimajenthat: they do |
| 20:23.44 | S4nD3r | nothing |
| 20:23.45 | godling | \amethyst: IT gives me a list of packages with avahi- in the name, though. |
| 20:23.47 | S4nD3r | I tried |
| 20:24.20 | rox | eimajenthat: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 20:24.23 | godling | \amethyst: although when I try to apt-get remove these packages, it reports them as not being installed. |
| 20:24.34 | godling | Sorry for the delay, I was helping someone get on my network. |
| 20:24.59 | rox | S4nD3r: what dio you mean niothing? |
| 20:25.09 | S4nD3r | it stays running |
| 20:25.17 | S4nD3r | do not give any error |
| 20:25.19 | S4nD3r | any message |
| 20:25.54 | rox | S4nD3r: run it in verbose mode |
| 20:26.18 | godling | \amethyst: btw, thanks for the help |
| 20:26.38 | extor | What is a good p2p client I can run on a shell that can grab donkey, kad and torrents? |
| 20:26.42 | eimajenthat | rox: badass! |
| 20:27.13 | CrashSys | TorrentFlux |
| 20:27.20 | CrashSys | ohh, on a shell... |
| 20:27.22 | godwin | how to delet a user in debian? |
| 20:27.23 | CrashSys | nevermind |
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| 20:27.32 | gigo | is there a tool that can apply a diff patch over ftp? |
| 20:27.44 | ruied | godling, userdel |
| 20:27.53 | S4nD3r | neither all commands have verbose mode |
| 20:27.57 | S4nD3r | this one do not have |
| 20:28.09 | jelly-home | gigo: download the tree locally, apply patches, upload? |
| 20:28.36 | rox | S4nD3r: is it a binary or a script? |
| 20:28.45 | S4nD3r | its a script |
| 20:28.57 | rox | disect the scriot, see where it fails |
| 20:29.21 | rox | S4nD3r: you could have thought of some of this yourself, you know, it's not rocket science |
| 20:29.40 | extor | yeah shell without exporting x session |
| 20:30.09 | extor | I got rtorrent all nicely set up but for rare rare files sometimes you got half the pieces on donkey and half on torrents...helps to merge em at times |
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| 20:32.12 | k-os | how do i get kernel-source and kernel-devel installed? it's not easy to find any guides around... |
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| 20:32.29 | simonrvn | LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT: and annoying. do you have a debian question? |
| 20:32.31 | chops | k-os: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:32.44 | k-os | install nvidia drivers, not the debian way |
| 20:32.53 | chops | k-os: Good luck then :-) |
| 20:32.55 | k-os | it always complains about no compiled kernel being found |
| 20:32.59 | k-os | ah, thanks. |
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| 20:33.17 | chops | k-os: You're supposed to compile it against linux-headers-foo instead of a compiled source tree |
| 20:33.31 | k-os | i can not find any guides on that... |
| 20:33.32 | chops | k-os: You'll not get support for the non-Debian way here, though; you'll have to talk to nvidia if you have trouble |
| 20:34.00 | S4nD3r | compare it with yours rox |
| 20:34.20 | k-os | the problem is the kernel-source and kernel-devel. not the nvidia driver itself... |
| 20:34.36 | godwin | shall i install apache2 on a new debian sys with root or another user? (with aptitude) |
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| 20:35.06 | gnoe|laptop | k-os: apt-get install linux-source |
| 20:35.08 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/49789 |
| 20:35.12 | S4nD3r | look it rox |
| 20:35.14 | n3kl | Hi |
| 20:35.26 | n3kl | Anyone know how to split a screen session vertically? |
| 20:35.30 | chops | gnoe|laptop: He wants a _compiled_ source tree, since for some reason unrelated to Debian linux-headers-foo isn't working for him |
| 20:35.40 | chops | gnoe|laptop: Not that I am biased in favor of the Debian way or anything :-) |
| 20:35.44 | rox | S4nD3r: compare with what? |
| 20:35.50 | S4nD3r | this file is as the first line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/ssl-cert.postinst |
| 20:35.55 | S4nD3r | compare with yours |
| 20:35.57 | rox | S4nD3r: compare what with what? |
| 20:36.05 | e_mpika | hey |
| 20:36.14 | S4nD3r | compare it http://paste.debian.net/49789 with yours |
| 20:36.32 | chops | godwin: aptitude will not work as a non-root user |
| 20:36.39 | rox | S4nD3r: i do not run debian lenny, i run sid, so there is no use in comparing it, because we run different systems |
| 20:36.49 | godwin | k, thx |
| 20:36.56 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 20:37.03 | e_mpika | how can i install deb on a machine that has no cd or floppy drive |
| 20:37.05 | rox | S4nD3r: if i was running the same system as you, i would have looked at it already |
| 20:37.05 | S4nD3r | good.. then Ill never get to solve this |
| 20:37.18 | e_mpika | it already has deb installed on it... thats about it |
| 20:37.23 | rox | S4nD3r: but i don't so you have to solve the problem yourself |
| 20:37.36 | rox | S4nD3r: all i can do is direct you towards the solution |
| 20:37.48 | S4nD3r | I know |
| 20:37.51 | S4nD3r | I thank you |
| 20:38.09 | chops | e_mpika: debootstrap may be useful |
| 20:38.10 | S4nD3r | but, as we saw, this maybe a bug |
| 20:38.38 | LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong |
| 20:38.40 | e_mpika | cool, thanks, ill look into that :) |
| 20:38.55 | chops | e_mpika: np |
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| 20:39.11 | LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT | loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong |
| 20:39.13 | amphi | short bus, eh? |
| 20:39.30 | simonrvn | !ops LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT |
| 20:39.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT |
| 20:39.37 | LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT | loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong |
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| 20:39.44 | LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT | simonrvn stop being a narc |
| 20:39.58 | simonrvn | in the mean time, i'd suggest an /ignore |
| 20:39.59 | S4nD3r | . |
| 20:40.00 | amphi | LOOOOOOOOOONGCAT: stop being a moron (assuming you have the option) |
| 20:40.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff |
| 20:40.15 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 20:40.31 | cusco | hi! I am having weird stuff with locales.. I had thise mensages complaining about no locale detected before, but I just locale-gen and it would be over |
| 20:41.05 | simonrvn | narc? i'm not a cop, so i couldn't possibly be |
| 20:41.13 | e_mpika | crap, this looks more hassle than i was hoping for :( |
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| 20:41.31 | simonrvn | cusco: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:41.35 | cusco | simonrvn: I did |
| 20:41.41 | cusco | several times already |
| 20:41.48 | e_mpika | is it possible to boot an iso from grub? |
| 20:41.56 | cusco | I just noticed, my user cusco has diferent locales than root? |
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| 20:42.19 | cusco | e_mpika: no |
| 20:43.46 | simonrvn | locale-gen isn't dr locales |
| 20:43.49 | S4nD3r | rox |
| 20:43.54 | S4nD3r | If I change source.list to etch |
| 20:44.00 | cusco | isn't what? |
| 20:44.06 | S4nD3r | and run apt-get install ssl-cert |
| 20:44.13 | S4nD3r | this will can install this package? |
| 20:44.25 | rox | S4nD3r: then you will have some weird hybrid |
| 20:44.30 | simonrvn | you also need to configure your shell env. run 'locale' you'll see what i mean |
| 20:44.33 | rox | S4nD3r: i doubt it will efven install |
| 20:44.43 | cusco | its only user cusco... :/ I don't understand why |
| 20:44.49 | rox | S4nD3r: but since you hit a dead end, you might aswel try it out |
| 20:45.01 | rox | S4nD3r: next time stick to stable |
| 20:45.14 | rox | S4nD3r: now you know why testing is testing and it is not for newbies |
| 20:45.24 | godwin | when i install debian and use raid1 with 2 harddisks it is not possible to create 2 partitions on 1 raid "partition". is this normal? |
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| 20:45.53 | valdyn | godwin: you mean that the debian installer does not support it? |
| 20:45.59 | AwesomeGuy | can I make the test in debian be green instead of while while it's in single user mode |
| 20:46.13 | AwesomeGuy | * text |
| 20:46.25 | valdyn | godwin: reason might be that grub would not be able to boot from such a raid |
| 20:46.49 | godwin | dont know, it doesnt show the option to partition the rest of the free space |
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| 20:47.19 | S4nD3r | Ok... |
| 20:47.21 | S4nD3r | so... |
| 20:47.25 | godwin | so i make 2 raids - one for swap and one for the system - is it possible to raid the swap? |
| 20:47.31 | S4nD3r | I will download new installation |
| 20:47.33 | S4nD3r | AGAIN |
| 20:47.36 | S4nD3r | to etch |
| 20:47.37 | S4nD3r | stable |
| 20:47.39 | godwin | sry for my english btw |
| 20:47.44 | valdyn | godwin: yes, will give you a minor error message on booting, but it works |
| 20:48.03 | rox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.17 | valdyn | godwin: s/will/might/ |
| 20:48.22 | godwin | whats with this boot-flag on setting up raid. should i use this? |
| 20:48.28 | S4nD3r | Sure !!! |
| 20:48.41 | rox | S4nD3r: remember what the warreanty says - you get it as it is, it's free, but if it breaks, you get to keeo all the pieces |
| 20:48.47 | AwesomeGuy | my laptop makes a horrible high pitched whine when I close it O.o |
| 20:48.47 | valdyn | godwin: irrelevant |
| 20:48.54 | AwesomeGuy | from the speaker |
| 20:49.02 | godwin | ok, thx |
| 20:49.06 | S4nD3r | ok then. |
| 20:49.11 | AwesomeGuy | indeed. |
| 20:49.20 | S4nD3r | Unfortunately is impossible to downgrade... !!! |
| 20:49.26 | rox | S4nD3r: if you would really want to helop, you'd go and file a bug report against the package in testing |
| 20:49.48 | valdyn | godwin: a raid with a partition table on it will be from grub perspective: a harddisk with partitions, whith partitions AGAIN containing a partition table |
| 20:50.07 | rox | you S4nD3r it is possible, it is just an unsupported procedure |
| 20:50.32 | godwin | ah, ok |
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| 20:51.04 | AwesomeGuy | my laptop makes a horrible high pitched noise when I close it |
| 20:51.09 | AwesomeGuy | how do I fix that |
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| 20:52.10 | godwin | let it fall down from about 20cm, somtimes works :) |
| 20:52.42 | S4nD3r | so... |
| 20:52.50 | S4nD3r | thank you so much for all help |
| 20:52.52 | S4nD3r | all tips |
| 20:53.04 | S4nD3r | im so sorry for my stupid questions |
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| 20:55.24 | TimothyA | how does on run a program in the background? with 2&> ? |
| 20:55.36 | valdyn | TimothyA: a program like what? |
| 20:55.55 | TimothyA | shoutcast for example |
| 20:56.06 | valdyn | TimothyA: thats a network server |
| 20:56.08 | TimothyA | and no, i don't want to give it a service just yet, just make it run in the background |
| 20:56.26 | TimothyA | it's a piece of software! who cares what kind of software |
| 20:56.48 | valdyn | TimothyA: you not understanding that this is relevant is telling ;= |
| 20:56.55 | simonrvn | what? give it a service? |
| 20:57.04 | S4nD3r | rox . You are an angel |
| 20:57.09 | TimothyA | Simoneloco: no, i just want to run it in my shell while i can do other things at the same time |
| 20:57.11 | S4nD3r | thank you so much !!! |
| 20:57.13 | valdyn | TimothyA: & will not background the output and it will not avoid the program terminating as soon as you close the terminal |
| 20:57.16 | TimothyA | without opening ANOTHER friggin shell |
| 20:57.21 | valdyn | TimothyA: maybe you want "nohup", see manpage |
| 20:57.27 | TimothyA | valdyn; yes, which & should i use |
| 20:57.34 | simonrvn | go back to your #redhat channel, kthx |
| 20:57.36 | valdyn | TimothyA: just & |
| 20:57.40 | S4nD3r | byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:57.41 | bolt | What is the simplest http server in debian? I just need to transfer a few files though http |
| 20:57.44 | TimothyA | i don't care if the program closes when i close the terminal, i want it that way |
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| 20:57.59 | peppe | TimothyA: with & you put a process in background, man bash |
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| 20:58.15 | TimothyA | am i not supposed to do & > /dev/null ? |
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| 20:58.38 | valdyn | TimothyA: > is output redirection it has nothing to do with putting in background |
| 20:58.42 | peppe | TimothyA: if you want its output to be dropped |
| 20:58.51 | TimothyA | k |
| 20:58.54 | peppe | instead of be printed on your terminal |
| 20:58.58 | TimothyA | good |
| 20:59.56 | chops | bolt: apache is probably the best bet, quite honestly |
| 21:00.05 | TimothyA | well, sending the output to /dev/null didn't get rid of the output... |
| 21:00.24 | chops | bolt: Install apache2, put files in /var/www (or wherever the default web root is nowadays), make them world-readable, bingo bango bongo |
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| 21:00.39 | Pyro | bolt, I'd use lighttpd if I were you |
| 21:00.41 | chops | TimothyA: Run it in a 'screen' session |
| 21:01.09 | godwin | whats wrong with my debian-installation? it seems it stopped at 70% alt+f4 console shows this: http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9886/dsc09014sdh5.jpg |
| 21:01.10 | Pyro | it'll serve your purpose just fine, and it'll run lighter than apache |
| 21:01.11 | valdyn | bolt: all are easy for this, since you can get along fine with the default install |
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| 21:01.23 | fasta | _ |
| 21:01.28 | TimothyA | chops: what are those? |
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| 21:01.59 | godwin | or isnt it done yet? |
| 21:02.02 | valdyn | godwin: disk broken |
| 21:02.05 | Pyro | !screen |
| 21:02.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 21:02.06 | chops | TimothyA: Google 'gnu screen' to find out more. Install the 'screen' package on Debian to get it. |
| 21:02.25 | bolt | chops, Pyro, valdyn: thanks :) |
| 21:02.26 | TimothyA | apparently i already have it |
| 21:02.35 | valdyn | godwin: your hde, which seems to be an atapi cdrom has faulty block(s) |
| 21:02.56 | godwin | oh, can i remove it and enter a new one? |
| 21:03.05 | chops | bolt: np |
| 21:03.25 | godwin | or must i restart the whole installation process? |
| 21:03.29 | valdyn | godwin: no idea |
| 21:03.35 | godwin | ok |
| 21:03.48 | godwin | the settings here are ok? http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/240/dsc09008cy8.jpg |
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| 21:04.40 | valdyn | godwin: sure |
| 21:04.53 | godwin | k, thx |
| 21:05.25 | valdyn | godwin: i would really really seperate /home out to have an easy way to keep stuff when doing a reinstall |
| 21:05.25 | chops | Random question: I see links /etc/rc0.d/S50lvm, /etc/rc6.d/S50lvm, and /etc/rcS.d/S50lvm. Wouldn't it make more sense for those in rc0.d and rc6.d to be K links (shutting down LVM) instead of S links (starting LVM again right before reboot)? |
| 21:05.35 | valdyn | godwin: but thats just me, your setup is ok. |
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| 21:05.57 | ryty | chops: yes, it would make more sense that way |
| 21:06.15 | chops | ryty: k, checking sid and filing a bug if appropriate |
| 21:06.29 | valdyn | chops: how the hell did you get those links? |
| 21:06.46 | zeld | people where is the xinitrc file? |
| 21:06.56 | ryty | zeld: ~/.xinitrc |
| 21:06.58 | valdyn | zeld: why would you need that file? |
| 21:06.59 | zeld | if i i've an .xinitrc file |
| 21:07.10 | valdyn | zeld: you dont need that file, most likely |
| 21:07.14 | zeld | in my home the wm won't start... |
| 21:07.16 | chops | valdyn: I installed lvm-common on etch :-) |
| 21:07.33 | zeld | if i remove the .xinitrc the wm start!! |
| 21:07.41 | zeld | why this???? |
| 21:07.46 | zeld | my xinitrc is ok... |
| 21:07.53 | ryty | pastebin your .xinitrc |
| 21:07.57 | zeld | ok.. |
| 21:08.08 | ryty | there's got to be something there |
| 21:08.36 | zeld | http://rafb.net/p/Mrd2Qd83.html |
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| 21:08.43 | zeld | this is my xinitrc |
| 21:09.00 | valdyn | chops: to bad i got no etch here |
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| 21:09.20 | chops | valdyn: The behavior's the same in lvm2 in sid |
| 21:09.31 | valdyn | chops: not here |
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| 21:09.43 | zeld | ryty: is ok my xinitrc ? |
| 21:09.43 | chops | Not that I think that failing to shut down LVM on shutdown is a noticeable failing... but it should still be correct. |
| 21:09.48 | chops | valdyn: ? |
| 21:09.48 | yigal | is it reasonably simple to construct a local debian repos. of all the packages one is currently using, list obtained via dpkg --get-selections? |
| 21:09.52 | ryty | zeld: comment out a line at a time and see which one is causing problems |
| 21:10.18 | zeld | ok |
| 21:10.19 | yigal | chops: I have this error |
| 21:10.40 | valdyn | chops: im going to look at etch |
| 21:10.48 | valdyn | chops: ops, lenny |
| 21:11.03 | yigal | lvm, I don't it is avoidable, or is it? |
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| 21:11.20 | yigal | s/it/that & |
| 21:11.20 | chops | valdyn: Hm... /var/lib/dpkg/info/lvm2.postinst contains "update-rc.d lvm2 start 26 S . start 50 0 6 . >/dev/null || exit $?" |
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| 21:11.54 | oaisdhf | when i used the install floppies from the unstable branch i somehow was able to choose my particular keyboard model (hp 2501 multimedia keyboard) during the install. but i switched to the stable floppies to avoid a separate problem and can't find how to reconfigure the appropriate package which will allow me to choose hp 2501. any ideas? |
| 21:11.58 | yigal | oh, how awesome I am glad I came in on this discussion as it would be nice to stop this problem |
| 21:12.01 | chops | valdyn: Version 2.02.33-1. You don't see that? |
| 21:12.07 | valdyn | chops: S50lvm2 is there on lenny |
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| 21:12.38 | valdyn | chops: i use insserv on sid so that postinst script doesnt do a thing |
| 21:12.41 | chops | yigal: Which problem? The failure to shutdown LVM on shutdown/reboot? |
| 21:12.43 | valdyn | chops: but the bug is there on lenny |
| 21:12.45 | yigal | I am using lvm2 2.02.29-1 |
| 21:12.49 | chops | valdyn: Ah, that explains it. |
| 21:12.51 | AwesomeGuy | I use the keyboard that came with my dell |
| 21:13.15 | yigal | that when I halt the system to go down lvm2 fails |
| 21:13.17 | zeld | ryty: |
| 21:13.20 | zeld | the ~/ |
| 21:13.25 | zeld | is the problem |
| 21:13.33 | chops | valdyn, yigal: Filing a bug... |
| 21:13.34 | yigal | zeld: right |
| 21:13.35 | zeld | feh --bg-scale |
| 21:13.36 | zeld | etc... |
| 21:13.37 | chops | yigal: Fails how? |
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| 21:13.44 | zeld | :) ok.. now work! |
| 21:13.45 | Agiofws | does debian have java 6 in its repos |
| 21:13.46 | zeld | thanks |
| 21:13.49 | yigal | chops: it can't unmount partitions |
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| 21:14.12 | yigal | chops: is this the same error? |
| 21:14.27 | yigal | or similar? |
| 21:14.37 | chops | yigal: Oh, bollocks -- I remember seeing a similar error on my server as well! I sort of wrote it off, since everything's shut down and the filesystem's journaling... but this might explain that error, yes. |
| 21:14.50 | yigal | chops: exactly I did the same thing |
| 21:15.10 | yigal | chops: I figured it can't unmount a partition that is being used to shut the machine off |
| 21:15.21 | valdyn | additionally you are SUPPOSED to get one lvm error |
| 21:15.29 | valdyn | yigal: thats right, thats supposed to be |
| 21:15.46 | yigal | valdyn: ok, good, I was hoping so but wasn't sure with the logic |
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| 21:15.53 | bkw_ | If I do cvs diff new.file > patch can that patch be applied to the old file using patch? |
| 21:16.05 | valdyn | yigal: chops bug seems to be there and / on lvm will yield error |
| 21:16.34 | keram | how can i figure out how maybe Mbps my nic card is? |
| 21:16.48 | yigal | valdyn: so the idea would be to have 2 logical partions / and the rest if I didn't want to see the error ? |
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| 21:17.02 | gigo | any tool that will compare my files in the ftp directory with that in the local directory and put only the modified files to the ftp server? |
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| 21:17.21 | valdyn | yigal: thats insane, the solution would be to modifiy the script to not throw an error |
| 21:17.21 | yigal | no, I would still see the error, I'm not going to worry about it at all |
| 21:17.29 | yigal | right |
| 21:17.35 | keram | lspci isnt working |
| 21:17.38 | keram | it says command not found |
| 21:17.40 | valdyn | yigal: as the kernel will deal with it on its own at the very end, you just dont see it |
| 21:17.42 | chops | Jesus -- how 'bout that #311057. I could be missing something, but it looks like the last two emails are "this bug has an obvious solution which people might try which can cause massive data loss because of something very subtle, so it definitely needs to be fixed properly" "that's okay, it only happens to yaird users" |
| 21:18.26 | valdyn | hah |
| 21:19.21 | Agiofws | does debian support java 6 ? |
| 21:19.36 | chops | I hate looking at bug pages for critical system components like lvm |
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| 21:20.00 | chops | They're always filled with data loss and machine freezes and such, and it makes me bite my fingernails :-) |
| 21:20.37 | valdyn | chops: data loss is no big deal normally |
| 21:20.54 | valdyn | chops: this is very specific data loss |
| 21:21.21 | chops | valdyn: It is kind of a farfetched case |
| 21:21.24 | chops | valdyn: But still |
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| 21:22.59 | chops | And then there's the guy in another bug who files a bug against sid and then says he can't provide more information or investigate because "I need this machine to be running" :-) |
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| 21:24.18 | oaisdhf | i just lost my 185gb hitachi deskstar myself. it just makes a kerchink-kerchink noise. and it looks like it'd be $1500 for drivesavers to perform a raw dump of its platters |
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| 21:24.37 | valdyn | !backup |
| 21:24.37 | dpkg | backup is, like, something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1> |
| 21:25.06 | valdyn | !lolcat1 |
| 21:25.06 | dpkg | [lolcat1] http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1174324818-oh_noes.jpg |
| 21:25.13 | oaisdhf | the great irony is that i had just installed the new 500gb drive to back it up onto in the case |
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| 21:25.29 | oaisdhf | so there is a god and he opposes me |
| 21:26.43 | yigal | for my personal use I do a daily incremental backup up on a remote server, a dvdrw, and on the a partition of my laptop, I feel much better - patting myself on the back |
| 21:27.08 | oaisdhf | i think what might have done it is the fact that i reoriented the old hd in an upside down position. or that it tapped against the side of the case as i was moving it. |
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| 21:27.55 | oaisdhf | it would take 30 something dvds to back up all my crap and probably still a good number if i managed to pare that down to what was really important |
| 21:28.00 | DeathWolf | anyone knows how to tell sort to do a pure ascii value sort? |
| 21:28.04 | oaisdhf | how do people do that |
| 21:28.14 | DeathWolf | (instead of ignoring non a-zA-Z0-9 chars) |
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| 21:28.43 | valdyn | oaisdhf: backup storage does cost more than main storage, either in time or in money or both |
| 21:28.50 | valdyn | oaisdhf: thats a fact of life |
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| 21:29.28 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.34 | oaisdhf | why not buy a second hd for the dirt cheap price that hds sell at? |
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| 21:30.09 | valdyn | oaisdhf: i do that, why ask me? |
| 21:30.18 | oaisdhf | deathwolf: are you sure it's ignoring non alphanumeric characters? what does --ignore-nonprinting exist for? |
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| 21:30.32 | valdyn | oaisdhf: but thats not a good backup, overwriting the only old backup while you create a new one |
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| 21:30.34 | aedion | postfix returns that john is not known. (john@myhomesystemurl.selfip.net <- database knows him). i followed this tutoiral: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ (#postfix-guys won't talk the whole day with nobody. wth?) |
| 21:30.53 | oaisdhf | a second hd costs about exactly the same as main storage, but i guess a little bit more in time |
| 21:30.54 | DeathWolf | oaisdhf: no idea, but I see no difference |
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| 21:31.24 | DeathWolf | I'm having paths to sort and some of them contain [ in the filenames |
| 21:31.32 | DeathWolf | and it's ignoring the [ |
| 21:31.37 | DeathWolf | which is very unnerving |
| 21:31.44 | oaisdhf | is there a solid backup program which does incrementals and compression to a harddrive? |
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| 21:32.04 | oaisdhf | deathwolf: you could probably do it in perl easily |
| 21:32.10 | DeathWolf | but much slower |
| 21:32.54 | DeathWolf | I'm of piping 4+MBs everytime... so... speed does matter:/ |
| 21:32.55 | oaisdhf | much? if you less than a few megs of data, probably not |
| 21:33.02 | oaisdhf | ah |
| 21:33.15 | yigal | oaisdhf: I use duplicity, not sure if that's useful but you might want to check it out |
| 21:33.18 | DeathWolf | One 4+MB file every few minutes... |
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| 21:33.25 | AwesomeGuy | yello |
| 21:33.38 | AwesomeGuy | are there any internet browsers that work in single user mode? |
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| 21:33.43 | AwesomeGuy | I need to find one |
| 21:33.53 | yigal | AwesomeGuy: does w3m ? |
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| 21:34.49 | AwesomeGuy | japanese browseR? wtf |
| 21:34.53 | Schiz0 | How can I find out if my processer supports 64 bit? It's a intel dual core, but I'm not sure if it's EM64 or not |
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| 21:35.35 | maligor | Schiz0, Intel Core or P4? |
| 21:36.41 | yigal | Schiz0: probably "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
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| 21:36.44 | valdyn | Schiz0: what's the output of "grep address /proc/cpuinfo" ? |
| 21:36.45 | yigal | should do it |
| 21:36.45 | Schiz0 | Not sure exactly, it's not my computer and I don't know the hw specifications....I was hopign something in proc would tell me |
| 21:37.06 | yigal | Schiz0: did you read what I wrote? |
| 21:37.13 | Schiz0 | yep. Thanks. |
| 21:37.24 | yigal | ;) |
| 21:37.55 | yigal | Schiz0: what is it? |
| 21:37.55 | maligor | I guess I have a 36bit cpu |
| 21:38.09 | valdyn | maligor: sure, in a way |
| 21:38.11 | AwesomeGuy | any other test browsers besides w3m? w3m is sorta hard to use |
| 21:38.14 | maligor | I guess intel ran out of bits |
| 21:38.15 | Rusty1 | oaisdhf: rsync |
| 21:38.27 | yigal | AwesomeGuy: use links or elinks or links2 |
| 21:38.50 | yigal | Rusty1: I think duplicity really is a step above rsync, but rsync is good at what it does |
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| 21:39.24 | AwesomeGuy | cool |
| 21:39.34 | AwesomeGuy | and can I make the text green in single user mode instad of white? |
| 21:39.53 | yigal | AwesomeGuy: I am not sure - but probably |
| 21:40.08 | valdyn | AwesomeGuy: cut 2 of the 3 RGB wires |
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| 21:40.21 | AwesomeGuy | um, no |
| 21:40.24 | yigal | lol :) |
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| 21:41.26 | maligor | you could also buy a green on black monochrome display |
| 21:42.25 | AwesomeGuy | how much would that be |
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| 21:42.56 | valdyn | i think you might have to higher some archeologists for that |
| 21:43.09 | AwesomeGuy | lol |
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| 21:45.22 | chops | Hm... is there a way to make dh_installinit make /etc/rc{S,0,6} links like for the lvm package, or do I have to do it by hand instead? |
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| 21:46.21 | chops | Ah, I see. I want -u. It helps to read the documentation somtimes. |
| 21:46.24 | chops | :-) |
| 21:46.50 | xlotlu | what are the odds i hit a kernel bug with memory corruption if memtesting the hell out of my memories is ok, but a simple test like checksumming some 50M files on tmpfs does this: http://dpaste.com/36537/ ?? |
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| 21:49.46 | valdyn | xlotlu: not small |
| 21:50.11 | xlotlu | will try some other kernels |
| 21:50.14 | valdyn | xlotlu: any issue coming from overheating will hardly be triggered by memtest86 |
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| 21:50.48 | xlotlu | valdyn: actually after memtesting for > 24 hours my memories were hot like hell. now they're just cool |
| 21:50.55 | valdyn | xlotlu: try compiling kernels, looking for internal compiler errors, that finds issues easily if they are heat related |
| 21:51.26 | valdyn | xlotlu: the cpu adds a huge amount of heat if its loaded |
| 21:51.39 | valdyn | xlotlu: but not in memtest86 |
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| 21:52.07 | xL0Gic | does anyone know if it's possible to boot debian from an SD card? |
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| 21:53.23 | valdyn | xlotlu: i have had exactly your issue on a machine where i did not notice that it was slightly overclocked. Memtest86 showed nothing ever. |
| 21:53.45 | achandrashekar | Hello, I am in the process of setting up an LTSP environment and read about skolelinux. Is the proper place to be asking about it? |
| 21:54.09 | valdyn | achandrashekar: no, this is a debian support channel |
| 21:54.16 | valdyn | achandrashekar: distros based on debian are not covered |
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| 21:54.57 | achandrashekar | I see.. can perhaps point me in the right direction..minus the ltsp channel, im looking for a bit more information on such a variant. |
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| 21:55.09 | valdyn | !skolelinux |
| 21:55.09 | dpkg | http://www.skolelinux.no/ | A derivative of debian for Norwegian schools. | Not supported here. | Ask me about <based on debian> |
| 21:55.21 | achandrashekar | great thanks |
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| 21:56.22 | achandrashekar | damn..no such channel present...hmmm. |
| 21:56.26 | chops | Hm, now this is an odd problem |
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| 21:56.53 | chops | I want to change the time at which an init script is run in a Debian package |
| 21:57.14 | chops | But if I just change the arguments to dh_installinit, it has no effect, because update-rc.d see there are already startup links |
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| 21:58.10 | chops | Is there a way to say "if upgrading from a version of the package <= such-and-such, and the startup links are exactly as they were by default, then remove them before calling update-rc.d"? |
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| 21:58.37 | chops | Or is there a better way to handle this? |
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| 22:00.20 | Rusty1 | achandrashekar: there is a #ltsp channel |
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| 22:03.26 | achandrashekar | Rusty1: yes..Im on it..Im looking for one specific to skolelinux.. There is a "relationship" that exists that allows such questions on the debain mail list but there seems to be no such IRC channel. |
| 22:05.34 | Guerin | achandrashekar: many of the skole devs are also debian devs, however they're not normally on irc. |
| 22:07.02 | enouf | wols: just a fyi, concerning .25-rc2, before i forget to mention; remember i said the menuconfig was a bit screwed up (funky characters - noticeable in alsmixer as well - so an ncurses issue i guess), anyways, a terminal "reset" fixes it all up nicely. Maybe it was just something i did odd, but i hadn't installed anthing other than kernel source, all my ncurses stuff has been here awhile. |
| 22:08.11 | chops | Ugh |
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| 22:09.12 | chops | I have an LVM volume which is going to require networking before it gets brought up... but S40networking is after S26lvm |
| 22:09.14 | chops | :-( |
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| 22:10.02 | xlotlu | valdyn: my cpu was indeed overclocked. set everything to default timings, but i'm getting exactly the same.. |
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| 22:11.29 | fasta | How can I see the "Trash" Gnome talks about when I want to unmount a USB-stick? |
| 22:11.47 | Guerin | fasta: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 22:13.39 | godwin | germans here? |
| 22:14.23 | alturiak | probably quite some but the channel language is english |
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| 22:15.17 | Ganneff | !de |
| 22:15.17 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 22:15.41 | chemist | how can I create 2 routing tables in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables? |
| 22:15.45 | godwin | "You need to be identified to join that channel: #debian.de" |
| 22:15.52 | godwin | ? |
| 22:16.20 | alturiak | godwin: try /msg nickserv help |
| 22:16.24 | alturiak | register and identify |
| 22:16.33 | godwin | how? |
| 22:16.35 | godwin | k |
| 22:17.03 | edistar | godwin: wird dir gesagt mit /msg nickserv help |
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| 22:19.12 | Nyle | I just made a partition and its showing in fdisk -l, /dev/sda3, however the device node in /dev/ doesn't exist |
| 22:19.15 | Nyle | what gives? |
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| 22:22.40 | enouf | Nyle: touch /proc/partitions |
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| 22:23.08 | godwin2 | this is from the debian installation: http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/518/dsc09037zz9.jpg |
| 22:23.12 | godwin2 | whats wrong here? |
| 22:23.44 | enouf | Nyle: run udevtrigger --verbose, also try udevcontrol reload_rules, |
| 22:24.18 | Nyle | enouf: nah i got it |
| 22:24.32 | Nyle | i forgot to save the partition table entry ;( |
| 22:24.33 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 22:24.34 | enouf | (or just listen to fdisk messages - and do what it says - if partition is on same disk as / , i think you might need to reboot) |
| 22:24.40 | enouf | doh |
| 22:24.48 | Nyle | hehe, yes little things like that man |
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| 22:25.07 | enouf | Nyle: busy tonight? http://romaniannights.com/ :-P |
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| 22:25.58 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. Can anyone help me on creating custom actions for Nautilus? I want to assign an action that should be invoked upon the directory I'm currently in, not the selected one! |
| 22:26.22 | Guerin | SchwarzeKrause: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:26.24 | enouf | Nyle: i was watching nyctv and they were airing a romanian show - basically was like an mtv vid, 3 hot female strippers lip-syncing to some music in a night club :-O |
| 22:26.40 | drwahl | anyone use Customize from spicychicken? it seems to not be saving the changes i make. am i doing something wrong? |
| 22:26.54 | Guerin | !anyone use Customize from spicychicken? |
| 22:26.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses Customize from spicychicken, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:27.19 | drwahl | err.. wrong window... |
| 22:27.48 | Guerin | :) |
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| 22:28.33 | RichiH | anyone use 'air' to 'breathe'? |
| 22:29.00 | Guerin | !anyone use 'air' to 'breathe'? |
| 22:29.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses 'air' to 'breathe', not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:34.12 | valdyn | xlotlu: hardware issues arent always straightforward to fix, you could have anything of numerous things failing: psu unit, cooling fan, heatsink <-> cpu seating, dust |
| 22:34.25 | valdyn | xlotlu: just to name a few... |
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| 22:34.32 | per_ | Hello Debian folks! Im compiling Mplayer to a deb-package. But cant figure out, howto set a costum version. Any ideer how? |
| 22:34.58 | Eulex | per_, did you know of debian-multimedia.org before you started with that? |
| 22:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, straightforward to fix == buy a new computer? |
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| 22:35.24 | per_ | Eulex: yes, and I wanto keep apt-udate to overwrite my own |
| 22:35.25 | xlotlu | valdyn: i know that, since mostly everything in this machine is new. that's why it's so annoying.. |
| 22:35.38 | valdyn | xlotlu: custom built? |
| 22:35.44 | xlotlu | valdyn: yeah |
| 22:35.50 | valdyn | xlotlu: i you really know what you are doing if you built it yourself? |
| 22:35.56 | SchwarzeKrause | How do I get a default "Desktop" package set in case I want a KDE-based environment? Just as if I installed from CD1-KDE |
| 22:35.58 | xlotlu | oh c'mon |
| 22:36.04 | valdyn | http://www.dau-alarm.de/ ( for fun ) |
| 22:36.08 | Eulex | per_, you'd basically want to modify the control file. it depends on the type of package, but this can either be just a normal file, or generated during the build. |
| 22:36.25 | rahul | SchwarzeKrause: install kde |
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| 22:36.48 | rahul | SchwarzeKrause: I think it's a metapackage that pulls in the "typical" set of kde apps people use |
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| 22:36.59 | per_ | Eulex: I want to set the version (on my costum Mplayer) to higher than multimedias.deb |
| 22:37.02 | valdyn | xlotlu: maybe something is just badly seated |
| 22:37.16 | rahul | !pinning |
| 22:37.16 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 22:37.32 | SchwarzeKrause | rahul: You didn't get me. A 'desktop' set is not only the environment, but all the basic apps like OpenOffice, Adept and so on. |
| 22:37.38 | fasta | Guerin: ~/.Trash-<username> was meant (hidden by default in UI) |
| 22:37.41 | rahul | per_: you can pin based on the download source of a pakcage |
| 22:37.48 | per_ | was pinning the awnser for me? |
| 22:37.51 | rahul | SchwarzeKrause: install what you want |
| 22:37.54 | Eulex | per_, prefix it with 1: |
| 22:37.57 | Guerin | fasta: yay gnome hiding things! |
| 22:38.02 | rahul | SchwarzeKrause: there's no aptitude read-my-mind command yet |
| 22:38.13 | Eulex | per_, oh wait, 2:, as it already uses 1: |
| 22:38.17 | fasta | Guerin: oversimplications making things more difficult. |
| 22:38.21 | rahul | SchwarzeKrause: and openoffice wouldn't be kde |
| 22:38.52 | fasta | Guerin: if they just included a hyperlink to this "Trash"... that would be usability. |
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| 22:39.29 | Guerin | fasta: but now that you've suggested it, it'll never happen. |
| 22:39.47 | valdyn | why the hell is it even .Trash instead of Trash |
| 22:39.50 | per_ | agh |
| 22:39.58 | Guerin | valdyn: because it's gnome! |
| 22:40.06 | SchwarzeKrause | rahul: If I download CD1 for gnome, it would install gnome, OpenOffice, pidgin, synaptics and so on - in case I choose a 'Desktop' package set. If I download CD1 with KDE, it would install KDE and the other apps that are not dependant upon KDE. I am asking how can I get the same set without reinstalling debian |
| 22:40.08 | Guerin | valdyn: easy is hard, anid hard is easy. |
| 22:40.16 | fasta | Guerin: I must be missing some golden rule... |
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| 22:40.18 | valdyn | Guerin: im not sure thats just gnome, probably freedesktop.org standard or somesuch |
| 22:40.26 | rahul | SchwarzeKrause: it's probably some set of tasks |
| 22:40.36 | rahul | SchwarzeKrause: they're listed in the bottom in aptitude |
| 22:40.38 | fasta | Guerin: users are not entitled to suggest features ;) |
| 22:40.57 | Eulex | valdyn, freedesktop is .local/share/Trash |
| 22:41.07 | valdyn | Eulex: ah, thanks |
| 22:41.10 | valdyn | thats even worse |
| 22:41.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:41.36 | Eulex | *shrug*, it's not supposed to be used from the command line |
| 22:41.38 | valdyn | like i hide my trashbin to make it harder to use it |
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| 22:41.54 | valdyn | Eulex: yea, so i need an extra trash folder for command line |
| 22:42.16 | fasta | I wonder what breaks when I delete the files in .local/share/Trash.... |
| 22:42.31 | fasta | (I'd hope nothing...) |
| 22:42.34 | valdyn | fasta: inside Trash ? |
| 22:42.37 | fasta | valdyn: yes |
| 22:42.42 | Eulex | the directory doesn't really just contain files that have been trashed either, it also contains metadata about them |
| 22:42.46 | valdyn | fasta: thats the same as emptying trash from GUI |
| 22:43.07 | fasta | valdyn: see Eulex, I think |
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| 22:43.46 | Eulex | fasta, nothing should break, as long as you delete everything or keep yourself to the standard if you don't delete everything |
| 22:44.06 | timob | has anyone tred the upgrade prodedure in the etch release notes ? |
| 22:44.24 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 22:44.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:44.28 | valdyn | !tell timob -about ask |
| 22:44.44 | Eulex | timob, I'd be _very_ surprised if somebody hasn't |
| 22:45.07 | timob | my keyboard sucks |
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| 22:46.05 | Eulex | hmm, reading the trash spec, appears that .local/share/Trash is the default but that .Trash is used if it exists |
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| 22:52.47 | frog | how can i automatically disabling the margin for pictures if they are too width in latex? |
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| 22:52.52 | frog | i am cenetring them , the left margin seems to be present, whereas the right seems to vanish. and the pictures are shifted. i woud like too center them and turnig margins off if necessary. |
| 22:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | shared Trash? |
| 22:55.57 | SmallR2003 | oh deities of debian, knowest thou a way in which i canst move a process from a bash session unto a screen session? |
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| 22:56.47 | cusco | you would have to stop the process and restart it ina screen session :P |
| 22:56.57 | SmallR2003 | :( |
| 22:57.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | afaik, prayers are normally never answered by the deity in question |
| 22:57.06 | SmallR2003 | i will sacrifice goats if needed |
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| 22:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the goats will tell you when you press a knife to their throat :) |
| 22:58.46 | SmallR2003 | i didn't think there was a method |
| 22:58.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there is no way to transfer the parent of a process that I know of |
| 22:58.54 | SmallR2003 | but i was hoping/praying there might be |
| 22:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use "disown" in bash to get rid of them from the list of started jobs |
| 22:59.23 | SmallR2003 | can i then own again? |
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| 22:59.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't think there is a way to "adopt" them |
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| 23:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe even for good reasons... |
| 23:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | could be a security risk |
| 23:00.28 | SmallR2003 | i should have done it from screen in the first place |
| 23:00.36 | SmallR2003 | but i wanted a quick fix |
| 23:00.37 | DA-Laptop | SmallR2003! |
| 23:00.48 | SmallR2003 | waaah! it's Dark_Apostrophe |
| 23:00.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | My desktop died! :P |
| 23:00.57 | SmallR2003 | did you escape V8d again? |
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| 23:01.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or rather, it still works.. except for the fan in the PSU :P |
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| 23:03.27 | SmallR2003 | Dark_Apostrophe, did you escape V8d again? |
| 23:03.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Pretty mch |
| 23:03.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | much* |
| 23:03.51 | SmallR2003 | i'll have to tag you |
| 23:03.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got you, Carla and Salah on MSN |
| 23:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | is V8d an extremele 1334 way of writing fate? :) |
| 23:04.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Don't have any more reason to be on v8d |
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| 23:04.14 | o2T7 | hi |
| 23:04.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | CutMeOwnThroat: no, it's an IRC network |
| 23:04.18 | SmallR2003 | no CutMeOwnThroat, it's an irc network |
| 23:04.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | CutMeOwnThroat: irc.v8d.org |
| 23:04.36 | SmallR2003 | Dark_Apostrophe, but you don't have the wonderful social company of #Yami :p |
| 23:04.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | haha |
| 23:04.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yami...gotta love making fun of christian fundies |
| 23:06.30 | chemist | does ip route work with standard 2.6 kernel? I keep getting invalid argument when trying to do ip rule add |
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| 23:07.44 | chemist | I hear that certain options have to be enabled in the kernel for ip route to work |
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| 23:12.46 | e_mpika | crap, anyone know if i can use a loopback device to install the installer components from when installing from netinst? |
| 23:13.22 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: why would you need to use one? |
| 23:13.26 | e_mpika | lol |
| 23:13.32 | e_mpika | good question |
| 23:13.37 | e_mpika | i have no cd drive |
| 23:13.47 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: what do you have? |
| 23:14.02 | e_mpika | hold tight, its a long story |
| 23:14.34 | dondelelcaro | if you've got a usb device that can boot, use that. The whole set of valid installation methods is covered in the installation manual if you want to do something weird. |
| 23:15.21 | e_mpika | i have an existing old machine that has no cd and wont let me boot off usb. so i have gotten the netinst iso, extracted it to a small partition on a new hard drive an have booted off it with grub... now its asking where the cd is |
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| 23:16.44 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: if you've got a machine that you could use to do that, you might as well just rip the old drive out and install on it using some other machine. |
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| 23:17.58 | e_mpika | its the only machine i have spare |
| 23:18.12 | e_mpika | im trying to install "over" the old install |
| 23:18.28 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: otherwise, you could follow the instructions here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 23:18.53 | e_mpika | uh huh |
| 23:18.54 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: since most likely you extracted the iso, when you should just have stuck it on the partition. |
| 23:18.58 | e_mpika | ive gotten that far |
| 23:19.12 | e_mpika | i have the installer booted |
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| 23:19.35 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: right, but you didn't follow them very carefully. You don't extract the iso. You just stick it on the harddrive. |
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| 23:19.57 | e_mpika | it just fails at the "detect and mount CD-ROM" as there isnt acctually a cd rom |
| 23:20.16 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: the iso *is* the cdrom. |
| 23:20.35 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: the detecting and mounting it's doing is looking for the .iso, and trying to mount it when it finds it. |
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| 23:20.57 | godwin2 | what you think about this partition config of 2x200GB harddisks?: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8144/dsc09043we6.jpg |
| 23:21.06 | e_mpika | aaah ok |
| 23:21.07 | godwin2 | screen is bevore configuring lvm |
| 23:21.38 | godwin2 | root and home goes to lvm |
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| 23:22.33 | e_mpika | dondelelcaro, your a legend. ive been working on trying to get this up and running for too long. cant see the forest through the trees as it were. many thanks for the guidance :) |
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| 23:23.48 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: the instructions are a little confusing, but once you reread them they make perfect sense. ;-) |
| 23:24.06 | e_mpika | i was using another guide |
| 23:24.27 | e_mpika | i was acctually trying to do exactly this but booting off a usb stick |
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| 23:24.42 | GhostlyDeath | !damn peer |
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| 23:24.57 | e_mpika | makes sense now :) |
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| 23:25.20 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 23:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostlyDeath ? |
| 23:25.47 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: ah, yeah, the installation guide is the thing to use for any installation of debian. |
| 23:26.05 | GhostlyDeath | CutMeOwnThroat: Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). |
| 23:26.21 | e_mpika | lol |
| 23:26.33 | e_mpika | yeah man, i know i know. rtfm and all |
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| 23:26.50 | e_mpika | haha, been a while since ive done any debian dabbling |
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| 23:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostlyDeath, don't be too harsh on him - it's just his job... imagine how boring it must be to reset connections all day... and does anyone thank him for it? |
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| 23:29.39 | GhostlyDeath | CutMeOwnThroat: Noone thanks him for it, he's a mean guy behind a killswitch |
| 23:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostlyDeath, he probably just does it to support is wife and the 3 little kids |
| 23:30.02 | FunctorSalad | hmm, apt-get could be a bit more verbose here :) "E: Build-dependencies for kdepim could not be satisfied" |
| 23:30.14 | FunctorSalad | (after "apt-get kdepim") |
| 23:30.25 | FunctorSalad | sorry, "apt-get build-dep kdepim" |
| 23:30.30 | GhostlyDeath | CutMeOwnThroat: he gets $1 everytime he resets someone's connection |
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| 23:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | GhostlyDeath, the barstud! |
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| 23:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, I get "92 newly installed" packages :) |
| 23:36.46 | bolt | is there a reason why the debian installer prefers to make only one primary partition when auto-partitioning a drive and let the rest be logical ones? is there anything wrong with making 3 primary partitions for /, home and swap? |
| 23:37.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, I think you cannot build it with stable... |
| 23:37.38 | valdyn | bolt: thats just for compatibility with microsoft stuff |
| 23:37.47 | valdyn | bolt: and it doesnt hurt, does it? |
| 23:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, only, if after the you got free space left (which I have seen!) |
| 23:38.19 | FunctorSalad | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, but I'm running testing |
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| 23:38.52 | FunctorSalad | (and have all three in my sources.list) |
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| 23:40.40 | xlotlu | valdyn: funny site that german one |
| 23:40.51 | valdyn | xlotlu: yea |
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| 23:42.27 | ddalton | how do i join debian-users mailing list? |
| 23:42.28 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 23:42.39 | valdyn | ddalton: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 23:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, look for Build-Depends in apt-cache showsrc kdepim |
| 23:43.04 | ddalton | thats kind of not very helpful. |
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| 23:43.26 | valdyn | ddalton: i was assuming you could read and actually find the support section |
| 23:43.40 | ddalton | whats it called on lists.debian.org? |
| 23:43.59 | valdyn | ddalton: do you have a webbrowser at hand? |
| 23:44.07 | ddalton | only lynx |
| 23:44.18 | valdyn | http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 23:44.22 | valdyn | so use that one |
| 23:44.23 | ddalton | cause im blind and ff isn't much good for us. |
| 23:44.28 | valdyn | ok |
| 23:44.32 | FunctorSalad | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, should I try to install that list by hand? // maybe the problem is that kdepim is a meta-package, but then why does it work for you :) |
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| 23:44.40 | valdyn | so you actually dont want to read the website? |
| 23:44.51 | Nyle | valdyn: hes almost blind |
| 23:44.54 | Nyle | or is |
| 23:44.55 | ddalton | ok what is it called on there? kind of hard to find stuff on long pages with speech. |
| 23:45.04 | valdyn | ddalton: yea, i was trying to figure that |
| 23:45.41 | ddalton | oh so could I search for debian-users on debian.org/mailinglists.html? |
| 23:45.51 | valdyn | ddalton: send mail to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with "subscribe" in the subject to subscribe to debian-user mailing list |
| 23:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, that's what I would do... on the way you will probably figure, why they cant be installed (mind the versions also...) |
| 23:46.06 | xlotlu | valdyn: i find it rather disturbing though that all those cpus are amds :) |
| 23:46.13 | edju | I've been tring to install lenny on an hp lap. Strange, but it wouldn't load the kernel - a-c-d did nothing, so I pushed the power button. Instead of shutting down, the kernel loaded and I was in the isntall. Now, however, it's stuck at "Confiduring ssl-cert". Anybody with a hint, pointer, whatever? |
| 23:46.16 | ddalton | ah thank you very much. is it very busy out of curiosity? |
| 23:46.23 | valdyn | ddalton: yes |
| 23:46.33 | Agiofws | can some one please tell me how to f... bind a command to a key in gnome i'm on this for 2 h now |
| 23:46.44 | edju | Confiduring*configuring. |
| 23:46.59 | FunctorSalad | CutMeOwnThroat: one last (I hope) question, what do the build-deps that start with an "!" mean? |
| 23:47.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, I would think "not" |
| 23:47.16 | ddalton | ok. anyone know if there are filters in alpine? |
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| 23:48.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, but search me, why it's not in Build-Confilcts, then |
| 23:48.28 | ddalton | ok thx. im going. |
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| 23:49.43 | jheronimus | Can anybody help me with network-manager under kde? It doesn't allow me to enable wireless networking, although my card is enabled in the system. It's Lenny |
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| 23:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, ah, it's actually libbluetooth2-dev [!hurd-i386 ... so it seems that package isn't needed (isn't present) in these ports |
| 23:50.22 | FunctorSalad | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. though on second thought this probably isn't worth it for trying to apply a patch that is meant for KDE 3.5.1 anyway =) |
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| 23:50.45 | FunctorSalad | (thought I'd try anyway, but...) |
| 23:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... now you're chickening out :) |
| 23:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh "thorat" - looks like the shortform of my nick |
| 23:53.32 | Nyle | Brave Sir Robin, bravely ran away away, he bravely chickened out, brave brave brave brave Sir Robin... |
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| 23:54.02 | Nyle | man I'm gonna put that movie on and listen to that song |
| 23:54.05 | Nyle | hilarious stuff |
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| 23:54.14 | FunctorSalad | the problem is that the output of "apt-cache showsrc" apparently isn't apt-get parseable because of the version numbers, so I'd have to hand-edit it for a slim chance of the patch working :) |
| 23:54.16 | Nyle | bravely chickened out hehehe |
| 23:54.48 | FunctorSalad | CutMeOwnThroat: but thanks anyway |
| 23:56.38 | sh4|Gast | hi, how can I start a command with arguments in screen? atm my rc.local looks like: screen -dmS Tunnel perl /server/tunnel/perlserver/http_tunnel.pl |
| 23:56.52 | FunctorSalad | actually the whole thing is an exercise in procrastination. adding tagging support to kmail isn't reaaaally the most urgent thing in my life right now, *g* |
| 23:57.09 | sh4|Gast | I think it doesnt work because of the space between command and argument.. |
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| 23:58.46 | Nyle | brave sir robin ran away, bravely ran away, when danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned he tail and chickened out lol |
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| 23:59.12 | Nyle | sh4|Gast: hmm |
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| 23:59.40 | sh4|Gast | I know I need something like abostrophs but they dont work already tested |
