| 00:00.03 | totocool | hi all |
| 00:00.34 | totocool | I`ve instructions how to share my network, but i`ve to do them after every reboot |
| 00:00.59 | totocool | is there any way to do that at boot time with any script or program |
| 00:01.08 | magyar | hi, is 2.6.24 will make it to lenny? |
| 00:01.10 | rahul | aptitude install ipmasq |
| 00:01.17 | valdyn | totocool: dpkg told you, rahul told you |
| 00:01.22 | valdyn | totocool: how many more do you need? |
| 00:01.28 | totocool | iptables -F |
| 00:01.28 | totocool | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:01.28 | totocool | iptables -A FORWARD -o eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 00:01.28 | totocool | iptables -A FORWARD -o eth1 -j DROP |
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| 00:01.34 | valdyn | hahaah |
| 00:01.39 | Nyle | rahul: hey |
| 00:01.42 | rahul | yo |
| 00:01.48 | rahul | gotta run in like 5 |
| 00:01.53 | Nyle | go away |
| 00:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | FunctorSalad, you mean someting like apt-cache showsrc kdepim |grep uild-Dep |head -1 |sed 's/([^)]*),//g;s/\[[^\]*],//' ? |
| 00:01.56 | rahul | heh |
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| 00:02.19 | Nyle | sh4|Gast: I just ran screen -U irssi -n blahblahblah (irssi starts with blahblahblah as my nick) |
| 00:02.32 | Nyle | sh4|Gast: I don't know of any other way to pass arguments to a program launched with screen |
| 00:02.37 | Nyle | its just regular way, according to manpage |
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| 00:02.49 | FunctorSalad | CutMeOwnThroat: =) |
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| 00:03.21 | totocool | so is there any way to do that |
| 00:03.22 | totocool | ? |
| 00:03.41 | rahul | totocool: no, there's no way to do what we told you to do |
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| 00:03.57 | rahul | the command I gave you is impossible to type |
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| 00:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | rahul, I don't think that's true... |
| 00:06.07 | susanne-- | is there a way to take a running kernel's configuration and turn it into a .config for a new version? when i take /boot/config-foo and copy it to .config in my kernel source dir, run make oldconfig, and then compile, i get a kernel that won't mount root (waiting for sda apparently). i'm at a loss |
| 00:06.11 | Nyle | rahul doesn't know anything |
| 00:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | rahul, I think the government can do it... CIA or FBI... with supercomputers |
| 00:06.21 | sh4|Gast | Nyle: When I start screen like I've wrote, it daemonizes and screen -list is empty |
| 00:06.30 | Guerin | susanne--: that's the correct way, but you probably need an initrd |
| 00:06.35 | valdyn | susanne--: just compiling isnt enough when you need an initrd with the old config already |
| 00:06.46 | Nyle | susanne--: you need to build an ramdisk iamge |
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| 00:07.02 | Nyle | you can use yaird or mkinitramfs |
| 00:07.12 | susanne-- | Guerin, even if i remove initrd from /boot/grub/menu.lst and disable initrd in the new kernel? |
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| 00:07.40 | Nyle | disable? |
| 00:07.47 | Guerin | susanne--: you'd need to build in all the drivers for your root device - controller, filesystem, etc - for that to work. But it would. |
| 00:07.56 | cusco | susanne--: the initrd is required by boot before you can boot the kernel.. so nothing donw |
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| 00:08.13 | wols | susanne--: cause some part is only compiled as a module. your hdd controller drivre most likley |
| 00:08.25 | sh4|Gast | Nyle: If all doesn't work i'll write a little start script which starts the tunnel and point screen to this script - easiest way |
| 00:08.31 | wols | so you need to compile in the / filesystem, the / hdd controller and I always compile in the network driver |
| 00:08.40 | Nyle | sh4|Gast: no clue why its happening to you |
| 00:08.44 | wols | if you do that you can skip the --initrd in kernel-package but only then |
| 00:08.50 | sh4|Gast | ok thank you |
| 00:08.52 | Nyle | sh4|Gast: what are you trying to start inside screen... and i syour screenrc good? |
| 00:09.48 | sh4|Gast | screenrc is unchanged, I try to start a perl script |
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| 00:13.35 | sh4|Gast | screen works as it should when I first start screen, execute the perl script and detach it |
| 00:13.53 | Pinky | hehe |
| 00:14.01 | Pinky | I don't have those registered :( |
| 00:14.01 | Nyle | I wonder where Brain is? |
| 00:14.12 | Guerin | Nyle: taking over the world or something |
| 00:14.15 | Pinky | but I do have PinkyandtheBrain, and Pinky_Floyd |
| 00:14.20 | Pinky | lol |
| 00:14.31 | Nyle | my pinky hurts today |
| 00:14.39 | Nyle | I played guitar withour warming up first |
| 00:14.52 | mmlj4 | next time try heating the guitar? |
| 00:14.57 | Nyle | lol |
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| 00:15.01 | Nyle | what the hell |
| 00:15.03 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 00:15.32 | kevind23 | http://0332.023217707/ <-- how in the hell is that a domain (my friend got it in a spam email) |
| 00:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably not |
| 00:16.05 | kevind23 | well it loads in my browser |
| 00:16.07 | kevind23 | :| |
| 00:16.09 | Eulex | it's an ip |
| 00:16.18 | kevind23 | just without the dots? |
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| 00:16.42 | edju | Noone on my install problem? |
| 00:16.43 | Eulex | no, encoded differently than in the four-byte-integers form |
| 00:17.01 | FunctorSalad | CutMeOwnThroat: using aptitude, turns out it was a non-trivial dependency problem. I wonder why apt just gave up though, rather than proposing a solution |
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| 00:17.45 | sh4|Gast | Nyle: Ah.. Its not possible to start a perl script like perl /path/to/script. I have to change into the dir of the script and then perl tunnel.pl for example. Is there a workaround? |
| 00:17.46 | FunctorSalad | (I mean, I used aptitude to install the build-deps, so your script was helpful) |
| 00:17.53 | Nyle | heh |
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| 00:18.04 | Nyle | page has been reported as a web forgery deisnged to trick users.... |
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| 00:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 00:18.54 | sh4|Gast | I think its the same in Windows if the WorkDirectory is wrong |
| 00:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1st time I see that |
| 00:18.58 | sh4|Gast | hmm |
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| 00:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, no we all hate you :) |
| 00:19.30 | Nyle | sh4|Gast: not that I know of |
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| 00:19.42 | olejorgenb | Ok, how is the standard way of running multiple versions of the same deb package, or more generally how to choose install directory |
| 00:19.45 | olejorgenb | ? |
| 00:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, "press ctrl-c"? |
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| 00:21.00 | gnat_x | i have a site where i use awstats to analyize. i had been running the stats update script manually when i needed them, instead of making them part of a cron job, which worked fine until i put the site's logs into logrotate. anyway, i figure i can dig myself out of this one fairly easily. so i made a copy of the log files (access.log, access.log.1, access.log.2.gz) and now i want to string those all back together into one access.log file. i |
| 00:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, "is stuck" is not really something anyone can relate to... did you try to switch consoles (ctrl-F1 to ctrl-F12) |
| 00:22.34 | sh4|Gast | Nyle: ok, i'll write a little script which does the trick, thank you again |
| 00:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, I think the "standard way" is to have installs on multiple computers |
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| 00:22.34 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: you're kidding right? |
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| 00:22.51 | gnat_x | (my plan of attack is to chang the conf file temporarily to point at my frankenlog, recompile the stats, then set awstats up to run before logrotate, so i do not need to do this again). |
| 00:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdywtd |
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| 00:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 00:23.22 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: so if I want to try the new opera beta, I need to buy a new computer? |
| 00:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, no... what would anyone have the same packet multiple times for... |
| 00:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, but that's not the same package... |
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| 00:23.46 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: see question above |
| 00:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, no, you just install it |
| 00:24.29 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: or if you have a difficult windows program requiring a specific wine version? |
| 00:24.43 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: well, then it will overwrite the stable version, wont it? |
| 00:24.57 | Tramp | gnat_x: I think "zcat access.* >foo" is what you want to do, if I understand you correctly |
| 00:24.58 | petemc | gnat_x: have you checked awstats faq, this isnt a unique problem |
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| 00:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, I think in these cases you build your own package... or install it manually in a different directory |
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| 00:25.46 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: but how do I install it manually? |
| 00:26.07 | olejorgenb | I tried extracting the deb, but it didn't work very well |
| 00:26.13 | gnat_x | Tramp: thanks i'll give it a try. |
| 00:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, no. if it's a debian package, you just install it - and if it doesn't work, you can try to downgrade again (which is not so simple) |
| 00:27.00 | gnat_x | petemc: the awstats faq tells me how to avoid it in the future, but i didn't see anything that will help me get my missing days back. |
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| 00:28.14 | petemc | gnat_x: i would have thought it does, but ok |
| 00:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, doing what you want involves a lot of your work... essentially, you would download the source package, modify it so it doesn't intervene with the rest of the system, build it and install it |
| 00:28.35 | petemc | http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_faq.html#OLDLOG |
| 00:28.43 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: It seems kinda strange that it's no easy way of doing it... |
| 00:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, not if you consider, that packages are never made to not to work |
| 00:29.58 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: so we don't need police, considering people are not meant to be bad? |
| 00:30.10 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe a bad example, but you get my point |
| 00:30.25 | gnat_x | petemc: don't see how i missed that. thanks! |
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| 00:30.48 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: Testing of newer software and the wine example seems like valid resons to me |
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| 00:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, but i think to test new software, you would just install it not as a debian package (because there is none for really new software) and do the compile with something like --prefix=/usr/local/mplayer-0.0.3experimentalbeta0.1 |
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| 00:33.22 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: well, that rules out closed source |
| 00:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, then run it from /usr/local/XXX-version/bin/XXX |
| 00:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, not really - they have some type of installer that would allow you to choose where to install it normally |
| 00:34.00 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: you could argue that opera should've called the package opera-beta or somthing, but it's not really the point |
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| 00:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, but the point of packages is, that they put everything where it belongs and you still can keep track of it - what you want now, is to put things where they do not belong (kind of)... |
| 00:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, there are actually examples of the same software being present in different versions in debian |
| 00:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at python for example.. |
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| 00:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is python1.5 python2.2 python2.4 python2.5 python2.1 python2.3 |
| 00:37.22 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: I kinda get you point, but I still need the feature :P |
| 00:37.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and probably more |
| 00:37.28 | rahul | package managers are not really meant for people developing the software |
| 00:37.46 | rahul | if you're developing, run from your checkout |
| 00:37.59 | olejorgenb | I'm not developing |
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| 00:38.24 | rahul | then I'm not sure why you need two versions of the same package that is not used by any other package |
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| 00:39.06 | rahul | the new version either works for you or doesn't |
| 00:39.36 | olejorgenb | In this particular case it's because I want to test the new opera beta |
| 00:39.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | then install it... |
| 00:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | remove it and install the older deb if you don't like it |
| 00:39.59 | rahul | if it's too broken for you, downgrade |
| 00:40.07 | olejorgenb | rahul: yes, and to find out I need to install it, but I don't want it to mess up my stable install.... |
| 00:40.20 | rahul | how will a single package "mess" it up? |
| 00:40.25 | simond | how would I override the default version that a cdbs debian/rules file picks up for the .deb file from debian/changelog on the commandline? |
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| 00:40.54 | olejorgenb | I understand that it's possible to do, but I think it should be better way |
| 00:41.12 | rahul | olejorgenb: there can't be |
| 00:41.19 | rahul | olejorgenb: you'll have two packages with the same files |
| 00:41.22 | olejorgenb | rahul: hu? it's the same package, but a newer version |
| 00:41.40 | olejorgenb | rahul: last time I checked that could lead to problems |
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| 00:41.57 | rahul | olejorgenb: so why are you proposing something that leads to problems? |
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| 00:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what "better way" should there be? |
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| 00:42.39 | olejorgenb | rahul: I'm not, I'm asking for a a solution |
| 00:42.54 | rahul | olejorgenb: we gave you |
| 00:42.54 | rahul | one |
| 00:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, I told you it, rahul told you it... |
| 00:43.13 | rahul | you whined about some "messing up" that's not happening |
| 00:43.17 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean removing and installing? |
| 00:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean install the new version if you want to test it |
| 00:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you didn't answer the question how a single package will "mess up" your system |
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| 00:44.04 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here (i |
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| 00:44.45 | olejorgenb | I'm not a linux veteran) but if I install a new version of a package, wont it overwrite all kinds of files? |
| 00:44.54 | rahul | olejorgenb: no |
| 00:45.01 | rahul | it will upgrade the package... |
| 00:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could "mess up" your .opera (or whatever that is) - but how would a install somewhere else help you there? |
| 00:45.04 | olejorgenb | Maybe I also want to test it over a longer perios |
| 00:45.09 | olejorgenb | *period |
| 00:45.23 | olejorgenb | rahul: so I will end up with two binaries? |
| 00:45.26 | rahul | olejorgenb: well, you can't have both installed at the same time in the same installation |
| 00:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, it will only install the files that are in that package |
| 00:45.37 | rahul | olejorgenb: how would you end up with two binaries from one package? |
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| 00:45.54 | olejorgenb | rahul: doesn't that involve replacing files? |
| 00:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, and as it (naturally) conflicts with the older version of the package, that will be removed |
| 00:46.00 | rahul | olejorgenb: and if you wanted both installed, they'd put the binary in the same place, so how would you have two binaries in one file? |
| 00:46.19 | rahul | olejorgenb: the files from the old package are removed, and the files from the new one are created |
| 00:46.29 | rahul | (except for config files, which are handled specially) |
| 00:46.41 | rahul | (and are marked as such by the person who created the package) |
| 00:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, and really, nothing gets overwritten as such (except configuration files) - the old package is removed, then the replacement is installed |
| 00:47.00 | petemc | there are plenty of packages that can happily coexist with previous versions of the same package |
| 00:47.04 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: I can always specify where I want my .opera to be |
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| 00:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, not with the same name |
| 00:47.45 | benjamindees | can I fit Etch on a 128 mb flash disk with the standard installer? |
| 00:47.58 | rahul | olejorgenb: how can you specify that? |
| 00:48.14 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't see the difference between removing and creating, and replacing |
| 00:48.18 | rahul | petemc: and those packages usually have a version number appended to the package name |
| 00:48.37 | rahul | olejorgenb: the point is that you cannot have two files in the same directory with the same name! |
| 00:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, no, but with overwriting - if one file isn't in the new package, it will gone - if you just overwrite, it would stay |
| 00:49.06 | olejorgenb | rahul: I understand that I cant have two versions installed in the same place.. I want to be able to install them in different places |
| 00:49.13 | petemc | oh, i thought that was obvious |
| 00:49.28 | olejorgenb | I understand how this might be kinda hard to archive, given linux file structure |
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| 00:49.46 | rahul | it's not linux file structure |
| 00:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, it's not what he was asking then - and if you scroll up, I already explained that with the example of python |
| 00:50.02 | rahul | it's the fact that two different things can't have the same name and be referred to by that name |
| 00:50.22 | petemc | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 00:50.26 | rahul | if there's two people called "bob" in a room and I say "bob", how's anyone gonna know which I'm talking to? |
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| 00:50.53 | uso | hi |
| 00:51.01 | olejorgenb | But the main point is of course not that files will be replaced (I can always reinstall the old package) but that I can't run both at the same time |
| 00:51.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | rahul, you just look who you look at :) |
| 00:51.06 | petemc | one of them is deaf |
| 00:51.10 | Phusion | does anyone here know how to definitively make debian etch stop making its own motd (seemingly with bootmisc.sh)? ive removed the init.d script with update-rc.d.. then changed the file, and used update-rc.d defaults to put it back |
| 00:51.16 | Phusion | yet it still makes its own motd, which i dont want |
| 00:51.16 | petemc | and not looking at you |
| 00:51.19 | olejorgenb | But it's seems like this is not possible? |
| 00:51.20 | uso | can anybody tell me where dev remembers old devices? |
| 00:51.30 | rahul | olejorgenb: yes, it's not possible to have two files in the same file |
| 00:51.37 | olejorgenb | without messing around a lot |
| 00:51.41 | uso | i have vhanged my hardware and now i get eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 00:51.44 | rahul | no, you just can't have it |
| 00:51.52 | uso | *changed |
| 00:51.52 | rahul | one bit can't contain two different values |
| 00:51.54 | olejorgenb | rahul: yeah, that's not what I'm asking |
| 00:52.02 | rahul | olejorgenb: it is what you're asking, in the end |
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| 00:52.11 | olejorgenb | \/want |
| 00:52.13 | rahul | olejorgenb: you want to different files called /usr/bin/opera |
| 00:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, I think you can just unpack a debian package with "unp XXX.deb"; then unpack the tarfiles inside - and you can try running the binary in there if you want - but I doubt it will work effordless |
| 00:53.01 | rahul | it's gonna look in the wrong place for config files, etc |
| 00:53.11 | rahul | since that's probably hardcoded in the binary |
| 00:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it will probably find the libraries of the old opera installation, because that's in the default library path - so you can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to fix that |
| 00:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so on |
| 00:54.40 | olejorgenb | ok, it seems someone don't really listens... anyway thanks for an answer, now I don't have to wate hours searching for a non existent solution |
| 00:54.50 | olejorgenb | *waste |
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| 00:55.41 | Tramp | Phusion: what do you mean by "changed the file"? If you comment the line which creates the motd, it should not be created. And there is no reason to run update-rc.d. |
| 00:55.56 | Phusion | i commented those lines, yeah |
| 00:56.23 | Phusion | and if i replace the motd, its still re-created by that script somehow |
| 00:56.23 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I tried that, it kinda worked, but as you said, not flawlessly |
| 00:57.03 | Phusion | what a pain ;\ |
| 00:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, so to comprehensively answer that - it can be done, but it's somethings that developers are supposed to do (like for python) |
| 00:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, if the .deb is not made the way to support it, you will have to do the work of the developer |
| 00:57.43 | Tramp | Phusion: What gives "grep motd /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh"? Are there 3 commented lines? |
| 00:58.32 | Phusion | Tramp: yes, the comments are there.. apparently in /etc/rc.local there are some lines doing the same work as well |
| 00:58.40 | Phusion | going to remove those |
| 00:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/developer/packager/g |
| 00:59.03 | simond | ha, found it; you can override the version for cdbs rules files by doing something like: DEB_DH_GENCONTROL_ARGS="-- -v1.2.3-custom1" debian/rules binary |
| 00:59.27 | Tramp | Phusion: well, then i gues you editedt rc.local. Mine has just an "exit 0" - but it's lenny. However, I doubt that this changed from etch |
| 00:59.46 | Phusion | well this is a fresh install |
| 00:59.48 | Phusion | of etch |
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| 01:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, heh - and the reason unpacking&running didn't work flawlessly was that the things were not at the places where they belonged.... which is exactly the point of installing the package, as I told you some 100 lines above :-)=) |
| 01:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 01:08.17 | olejorgenb | CutMeOwnThroat: I understand that, as I believe I've made clear |
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| 01:09.23 | oaisdhf | when i used the install floppies from the unstable branch i somehow was able to choose my particular keyboard model (hp 2501 multimedia keyboard) during the install. but i switched to the stable floppies to avoid a separate problem and can't find how to reconfigure the appropriate package which will allow me to choose hp 2501. any ideas? |
| 01:09.38 | Tramp | Phusion: well, I don't know what you have there, but the rc.local of etch (2.86.ds1-38) is empty as well - but however. |
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| 01:10.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | olejorgenb, just trying to rub it in ;) |
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| 01:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | oaisdhf, perhaps it's not in stable... then you can only use whatever is closest to you... shouldn't make a real difference anyways |
| 01:14.50 | oaisdhf | is dpkg-reconfigure console-data the only way to choose my keyboard? |
| 01:15.17 | oaisdhf | i was all excited to finally use those blasted gummy keys on the upper right |
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| 01:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually wonder how a 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux Test Page' can be "designed to trick users into sharing personal or financial information" |
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| 01:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oaisdhf, hmm... how about if you just take pills against being over-easily excited? ;) |
| 01:17.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oaisdhf, and no, of course it's not the only way - you can do everything dpkg-reconfigure console-data does for you manually... |
| 01:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oaisdhf, so you have a multimedia keyboard, but you don't use X? |
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| 01:20.52 | Harley^ | Good evening |
| 01:22.08 | timob | that regex isnt going to match anything |
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| 01:22.52 | Harley^ | Is there an IRC channel that can help me with getting my Palm TX to connect to a Trentnet TBW-104UB Bluetooth USB dongle on my Debian etch AMD64 Linux box ? |
| 01:23.48 | dejones | CutMeOwnThroat: gratulates me? |
| 01:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^ is only interpreted as start of line when it's the first character in the regexp, afaik |
| 01:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dejones, yes... you were the 800th visitor to this channel at that moment :-P |
| 01:24.51 | dejones | yay |
| 01:24.51 | dejones | :) |
| 01:24.55 | dejones | hehe |
| 01:25.01 | dejones | I'm usually in here though. |
| 01:25.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but seems we're revolving around that number now, so I'm not gonna repeat it for every next "800th visitor" |
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| 01:26.04 | pablo | hi, how can i use mount as a user? |
| 01:26.13 | godwin2 | hi |
| 01:26.25 | pablo | or if i mount something as root then how can i open it as a user? |
| 01:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dejones, and of course, you have also won something..... it is... (drums) a damp handshake |
| 01:26.39 | godwin2 | how can i close a programm? |
| 01:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | pablo, with mount, if 'user' is given as an option in fstab, with pmount, if it's an usb stick |
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| 01:26.53 | godwin2 | kill dont work |
| 01:26.54 | peppe | pablo: do you want to mount removable storage or another partition etc.? |
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| 01:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | godwin2, kill -9 |
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| 01:28.05 | pablo | peppe: neither, it is something with fuse |
| 01:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | godwin2, kill -9 <pid> (if that wasn't obvious) |
| 01:28.20 | peppe | pablo: ntfs? sshfs? |
| 01:28.34 | dejones | lol, CutMeOwnThroat thanks. |
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| 01:29.08 | pablo | peppe: yes something like that |
| 01:29.11 | godwin2 | k, thx! |
| 01:30.26 | dejones | ;) |
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| 01:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !smart questions |
| 01:30.46 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 01:32.35 | peppe | pablo: AFAIK both have options to allow "other" users (not the one who mounted) to access the mount point, in order to mount as user modify fstab as needed |
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| 01:33.26 | olejorgenb | pablo: if it's sshfs, I think you need to add yourself to the fuse group, if I remember correctly |
| 01:35.18 | k-os | the key-ring fix does not work? |
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| 01:35.29 | k-os | i get the same error over and over again |
| 01:35.54 | k-os | ..as i am trying to use the multimedia repos |
| 01:37.18 | Nyle | k-os: add debian-multimedia to your sources.list, and then aptitude update; aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyrin; aptitude update; install mplayer w32codecs |
| 01:37.21 | Nyle | :D |
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| 01:37.35 | Nyle | s/keyrin/keyring* |
| 01:37.39 | k-os | i have done it, still the same key-ring error |
| 01:37.46 | Nyle | what error? |
| 01:37.49 | Nyle | pastebin |
| 01:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know... you could have just done that |
| 01:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 01:37.59 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 01:38.13 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: oh |
| 01:38.15 | Nyle | thank you |
| 01:38.21 | k-os | yes, that is what i've tried twice... |
| 01:38.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's more complete and without typos also |
| 01:38.23 | k-os | W: GPG error: http://mirror.home-dn.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 01:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 01:38.43 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:39.17 | k-os | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, thanks! :) |
| 01:39.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | "http://mirror.home-dn.net"? |
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| 01:39.49 | k-os | got it from debiantutorials.org |
| 01:39.54 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:39.59 | Nyle | wtf were you just told? |
| 01:40.06 | Nyle | can you not follow directions? |
| 01:40.26 | Nyle | I dunno wtf debiantutorials is, but apparantly it aint workin |
| 01:40.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not the marillat repository? |
| 01:40.38 | Nyle | I have no idea |
| 01:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean - if it was just a mirror, the same key should work |
| 01:40.46 | Nyle | I don't use anything except what is listed on the main page of !dmm |
| 01:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps this is seeing the keys protecting you from falling to an imposer |
| 01:41.30 | pablo | while using mount how do i specify the permision of read and write? |
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| 01:41.46 | Nyle | pablo: man mount |
| 01:41.55 | benjamindees | pablo, mount -orw |
| 01:41.56 | Nyle | pablo: -o ro, -o rw, etc. etc. |
| 01:43.17 | Phusion | could someone tell me what the expression for sed would be to pass all lines except commented ones (with #)? |
| 01:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he more wanted like -o othermask or so - but the details elute us, we just know he wants to do "<pablo> [...] something with fuse" |
| 01:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/^#// |
| 01:45.24 | e_mpika | am i daft? i have two installs on one box both on separate drives. I want to remove hda and leave hdb there, how would i do this? |
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| 01:45.26 | keck0f | hi. |
| 01:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps more s/^ *#// |
| 01:45.43 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: no. That removes comments. |
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| 01:46.21 | Phusion | well i need to remove the entire line as well |
| 01:46.23 | Phusion | thats commented |
| 01:46.24 | peppe | maybe s/^ *#.*// |
| 01:46.35 | keck0f | where is the best place on debian to export http_proxy as systemwide http_proxy? /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 01:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops... true |
| 01:46.49 | Phusion | that removed the line, but didnt get rid of the \n |
| 01:46.53 | Phusion | so its all blank now |
| 01:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phusion, egrep -v '^ *#' file |
| 01:47.15 | jeffwheeler | Will avahi work if it's in a different subnet? I've got two routers: one right before the internet, which leads to a server, and another router; the second router is where most computers are connected. If I'm using zeroconf on the server outside that router, will the ones inside see it? |
| 01:47.23 | Phusion | thx. |
| 01:47.25 | Phusion | :) |
| 01:47.36 | peppe | CutMeOwnThroat: but he asked "with sed" >;) |
| 01:47.49 | Phusion | haha it doesnt really matter, i just need to strip a config file of its comments |
| 01:47.52 | jeffwheeler | That seems unlikely to me, but I don't fully understand how avahi works in the first place, so I'm not really sure. |
| 01:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | peppe, yeah, sorry, and I really feel bad about that |
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| 01:48.18 | peppe | CutMeOwnThroat: lol, don't worry, I don't know sed :) |
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| 01:48.38 | peppe | I would have suggested using grep too :) |
| 01:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | e_mpika, you remove the hda disk and close the computer? :) |
| 01:50.12 | Tramp | for the records: sed -n '/^#/!p' file |
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| 01:50.17 | Phusion | :) |
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| 01:50.37 | Harley^ | hmmm... no recommendations, eh... |
| 01:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.49 | dpkg | i guess p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 01:50.51 | jeffwheeler | Also, will afpd/netatalk work much better if I worry about installing HFS on the drive? |
| 01:51.10 | Nyle | proton? |
| 01:51.20 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ! is the negation of the RE, "p" for print (since I use -n for "no autoprint" |
| 01:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... that space in front of the ! was actually to shut you up, dpkg :) |
| 01:51.48 | Nyle | you fail |
| 01:51.55 | Nyle | !lose CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:51.55 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: You Lose. |
| 01:52.09 | Nyle | =) |
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| 01:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I would like to do this... but I think I just lose again... oh, what the heck |
| 01:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ~delegatestrike Nyle |
| 01:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jepp :) |
| 01:52.40 | Nyle | hahahah wth |
| 01:52.42 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:52.49 | Tramp | actually simpler is "sed '/^#/d', I have to admit |
| 01:52.55 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: how come you have such a nickname bro? |
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| 01:53.03 | Tramp | that uses autoprint and deletes the comments |
| 01:53.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Nyle about dibbler |
| 01:53.50 | Nyle | that seems so very pointless |
| 01:54.07 | Nyle | I dislike terry pratchet, king, rice,...blahblahblah |
| 01:54.30 | Nyle | I think the only whacko author I do like to read is my own town's Poppy Z. Brite |
| 01:54.51 | Nyle | that is IF I ever read fiction |
| 01:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, but that is your problem and you'll have to deal with it |
| 01:55.53 | Nyle | its not a problem. |
| 01:56.06 | Nyle | but go ahead, get defensive. w/e |
| 01:56.18 | e_mpika | <CutMeOwnThroat> e_mpika, you remove the hda disk and close the computer? :) << yup, it dont boot though. grub seems to be installed on both disks... but hdb doesnt boot |
| 01:56.47 | pablo | how do i add me to fuse group? |
| 01:56.58 | Nyle | adduser |
| 01:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't feel like being defensive |
| 01:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't like them, neither me, nor #debian can help you with it... |
| 01:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a king rice? |
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| 01:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | e_mpika, bios...? |
| 01:57.29 | Nyle | stephen king, anne rice, terry pratchet |
| 01:57.48 | Nyle | same kinda of moronic fiction |
| 01:57.56 | e_mpika | yup |
| 01:57.58 | e_mpika | tried |
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| 01:58.05 | e_mpika | doesnt think there is a boot record |
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| 01:58.18 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: once again, I am misunderstood. |
| 01:58.26 | e_mpika | ive tried reinstalling grub and running install-mbr on it |
| 01:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | e_mpika, and actually, I remember times when you *had* to have a master disk in - but I've seen a slave disk happily work alone (to my surprise) pretty often... so I would have guessed it works |
| 01:58.58 | e_mpika | yeah, me too |
| 01:59.06 | e_mpika | ...if the option to boot off it is there |
| 01:59.27 | Nyle | e_mpika: hang on |
| 01:59.32 | e_mpika | i have tried making hdb the master with a jumper etc, still didnt work |
| 01:59.41 | Nyle | e_mpika: why can't you boot into the disk? |
| 01:59.58 | e_mpika | hmm, the install is on hdb3, if thats marked bootable i wouldnt have thought it wuold care :s |
| 02:00.21 | e_mpika | Nyle, syas theres not a valid boot device |
| 02:00.55 | Nyle | so what has that to do with grub? |
| 02:01.11 | Nyle | thats a bios problem |
| 02:01.20 | Nyle | why are you messing with grub install and install mbr |
| 02:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, stephen king <-> pratchett is like apples and... umbrellas |
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| 02:01.24 | e_mpika | nope, its a drive problem |
| 02:01.30 | DawnLight | hello. how can i see disk i/o activity? |
| 02:01.35 | e_mpika | drive/install |
| 02:01.46 | raz | DawnLight, iostat from the sysstat package |
| 02:01.49 | e_mpika | it wont boot if i swap the drive to be the master either |
| 02:01.54 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | e_mpika, probablyl hdb becomes hda (it certainly becomes when you make it master) |
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| 02:02.03 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: I read a book of short stories by terry pratchet, and it seemed to be some sort of weird mindfuck stories about surreal bullshit in real life |
| 02:02.30 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: I disliked what I read. Why are you still going on about it? |
| 02:02.36 | e_mpika | true CutMeOwnThroat but i should at least get a grub prompt right? |
| 02:02.37 | simonrvn | i've read a couple of pratchett books, it's the sort of thing where you use your imagination ;) |
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| 02:03.28 | Nyle | simonrvn: Unreal, just like a 7 dollar bill, voice my opinion regardless of how you feel, freak shit, thats right. |
| 02:03.38 | Nyle | simonrvn: *wave* |
| 02:03.43 | Nyle | kwe kwe |
| 02:03.45 | simonrvn | hi |
| 02:04.09 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: regardless of how you feal about pratchet, it's not on topic here. ##debian-offtopic exists for a reason. |
| 02:04.10 | simonrvn | more like "use your imagination". suspending disbelief sorta thing |
| 02:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | e_mpika, guess so... |
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| 02:04.34 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: I'm not going on an on about it. |
| 02:05.27 | e_mpika | bollocks, now hdb is chucking up SeekComplete errors... drive is on its way out anyway :( |
| 02:05.34 | e_mpika | waht a nightmare evening |
| 02:05.40 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 02:05.42 | Nyle | ouch |
| 02:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | e_mpika, well... that kinda solves your problem :) |
| 02:06.13 | e_mpika | lol |
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| 02:06.33 | e_mpika | would be nice to get working though, im only gonna have to go through this again when i get a new drive |
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| 02:07.48 | dondelelcaro | e_mpika: assuming you install grub to the proper drive, it should just work, assuming you're booting off of the same drive that has the parition that contains /boot |
| 02:08.04 | e_mpika | they both have boot |
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| 02:09.24 | S4nD3r | So... Which are the packages installed as Desktop by etch ?? |
| 02:09.30 | S4nD3r | Is there any list of packages ? |
| 02:09.38 | Nyle | man tasksel |
| 02:09.51 | Nyle | you can list what each task contains (pacakges) |
| 02:10.10 | e_mpika | hmm, seems like the the boot stuff on hda is pointing to hdb :s |
| 02:10.17 | S4nD3r | I installes the basic (just terminal) etch. |
| 02:10.23 | Nyle | S4nD3r: shouldn't really use tasksel |
| 02:10.31 | Nyle | S4nD3r: just install whatever you need with aptitude |
| 02:10.32 | S4nD3r | Then Id like to know which are the packages to install them manually |
| 02:10.34 | e_mpika | when i boot of hda i get the hdb grub menu, gah, this is confusing!! |
| 02:10.48 | Nyle | S4nD3r: nothing. |
| 02:10.59 | Nyle | S4nD3r: base system is all. |
| 02:11.11 | Nyle | S4nD3r: then you can add whatever else you want/need after that. |
| 02:11.12 | S4nD3r | but not install any WM |
| 02:11.24 | Nyle | if you dont' want to you don' thave to |
| 02:12.00 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 02:12.02 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 02:12.04 | Nyle | S4nD3r: what programs do you want to install? what are you going to do with this machine? |
| 02:12.22 | S4nD3r | using as desktop |
| 02:12.29 | Nyle | so you want graphical? |
| 02:12.40 | S4nD3r | I installed gnome |
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| 02:12.52 | Nyle | so whats the problem? |
| 02:13.29 | S4nD3r | Fonts |
| 02:13.33 | S4nD3r | sound card |
| 02:13.44 | S4nD3r | I dont know which fonts to install |
| 02:14.11 | Nyle | S4nD3r: most commonly, msttcorefonts, ttf-dejavu |
| 02:14.13 | Nyle | those are nice |
| 02:14.37 | Nyle | S4nD3r: for sound, install alsa |
| 02:14.38 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: learn how defoma works. istall some packages of the ttf-* variant and like Nyle said |
| 02:15.45 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: and install x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 02:15.45 | Nyle | hm |
| 02:15.58 | Nyle | DawnLight: hmm never used it |
| 02:16.04 | Nyle | !info x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 02:16.10 | dpkg | x-ttcidfont-conf: (TrueType and CID fonts configuration for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 27 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 02:16.34 | DawnLight | i've found that it works |
| 02:16.37 | Nyle | DawnLight: what does this do that fontconfig doesn't |
| 02:16.55 | Nyle | what kind of configuration does it provie? |
| 02:16.59 | DawnLight | Nyle: what is fontconfig? |
| 02:17.00 | Nyle | provide* |
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| 02:17.11 | Nyle | !info fontconfig |
| 02:17.13 | dpkg | fontconfig: (generic font configuration library - support binaries), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.5.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 02:17.41 | Nyle | !info fontconfig-config |
| 02:17.43 | dpkg | fontconfig-config: (generic font configuration library - configuration), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.5.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
| 02:17.45 | e_mpika | when did postgres become the default DB for deb? |
| 02:17.49 | e_mpika | madness |
| 02:17.54 | Nyle | madness? |
| 02:17.56 | Nyle | why ? |
| 02:17.58 | simonrvn | it's the new (not really, been around for several years) way to manage and install fonts |
| 02:17.59 | et | THIS IS SPARTA! |
| 02:18.05 | e_mpika | dunno |
| 02:18.07 | simonrvn | e_mpika: o_O |
| 02:18.15 | Nyle | et: hahaha |
| 02:18.21 | e_mpika | mysql was the standard for so long |
| 02:18.24 | Nyle | the gov. is here! run et run! |
| 02:18.35 | e_mpika | ya ya, i know postgres is better etc |
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| 02:18.38 | Nyle | !start a db war |
| 02:18.38 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 02:18.38 | dpkg | MySQL is l33ter than Informix |
| 02:19.17 | Nyle | DawnLight: sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 02:19.54 | S4nD3r | Running update-modules... |
| 02:20.02 | e_mpika | ah well, i get told at least once a day by a guy i work with that mysql and postgres are fisherprice |
| 02:20.04 | S4nD3r | FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 02:20.07 | S4nD3r | error |
| 02:20.17 | S4nD3r | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 02:20.25 | Nyle | !alsa checklist |
| 02:20.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 02:20.40 | Nyle | S4nD3r: dunno why you update-modules |
| 02:20.53 | Nyle | in fact i have no idea what you are doing to get sound to work |
| 02:20.59 | simonrvn | that's weird. update-modules is a noop in 2.6 kernels |
| 02:21.22 | simonrvn | er, the weird part being the error |
| 02:22.00 | S4nD3r | I will check it |
| 02:22.15 | DawnLight | Nyle: i think fontconfig-config doesn't do what x-ttcidfont-config does. i didn't have as many fonts in X clients before i installed it as i have now |
| 02:22.34 | Nyle | I don't much care for CID |
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| 02:22.36 | Nyle | fuck em |
| 02:22.55 | Nyle | I like my plain ol' DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf |
| 02:23.00 | simonrvn | *conf; and no, x-tt-blah manages CID fonts, but they integrate into fontconfig |
| 02:23.33 | simonrvn | people are moving stuff to unicode and opentype |
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| 02:24.04 | Nyle | I would like to see where opensource would be 100 years from now |
| 02:24.06 | Nyle | or 500 |
| 02:24.16 | simonrvn | so those cid fonts are going to go away eventually, unless you have an old os ;) |
| 02:24.28 | S4nD3r | Nyle: give me that steps to setup sound card again |
| 02:24.30 | S4nD3r | please |
| 02:24.36 | simonrvn | if computers are even around by then |
| 02:24.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | simple... it'll be gone, because humanity finally managed to extinguish themselves... |
| 02:25.00 | Nyle | S4nD3r: aptitude install alsa alsa-tools alsa-utils; alsaconf; |
| 02:25.35 | Nyle | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 02:25.48 | Nyle | !alsa install |
| 02:25.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 02:26.21 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:26.47 | DawnLight | i'm setting up a storage server with four different ide hdds. can i make them work faster using lvm or raid or anything else? |
| 02:26.49 | CrashSys | how do I tell apt-get to install all dependencies? |
| 02:26.56 | Nyle | CrashSys: you don't have to |
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| 02:27.03 | Nyle | CrashSys: use aptitude instead |
| 02:27.09 | Nyle | !why aptitude |
| 02:27.10 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 02:27.19 | CrashSys | ohh, ok... |
| 02:28.39 | S4nD3r | how to check if arts is loade |
| 02:28.43 | S4nD3r | loaded ? |
| 02:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about ps aux | grep arts ? |
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| 02:29.58 | S4nD3r | ok... |
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| 02:30.27 | S4nD3r | esound neither arts is installed |
| 02:30.29 | S4nD3r | neither running |
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| 02:30.34 | S4nD3r | which of them to install ? |
| 02:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | S4nD3r, I don't have any... |
| 02:31.06 | S4nD3r | ummm.... |
| 02:31.10 | S4nD3r | sound is not working] |
| 02:31.29 | S4nD3r | sound icon is with red x |
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| 02:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't have a sound icon either.... I don't believe in prayer as a solution to computer problems |
| 02:33.00 | DawnLight | the tldp lvm howto states that "In certain situations this strategy can improve the performance of the logical volume.". what conditions are those? |
| 02:35.21 | S4nD3r | no sound |
| 02:35.24 | S4nD3r | shit |
| 02:35.55 | DawnLight | S4nD3r: /usr/share/doc/alsa/* |
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| 02:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight, it would help when I knew what you're talking about -but I guess the condition generally would be that one file can be split on several disks - so that writes happen on all disks concurrently |
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| 02:36.48 | DawnLight | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm setting up a storage server with four different ide hdds. can i make them work faster using lvm or raid or anything else? |
| 02:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | S4nD3r, that's not useful - follow the instructions dpkg gave you and look out for errors... |
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| 02:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight, I read that... and I don't really know... if you manage to split the write operations such that every disk writes part of the file, it should get faster... right? |
| 02:39.27 | raz | DawnLight, raid0 (striping) is what you're looking for |
| 02:39.43 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:40.02 | Phusion | in etch, how do i disallow a user from seeing processes other than his own if it is not already enabled? |
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| 02:40.08 | raz | DawnLight, beware that if one disk fails you'll lose all your data. if you need redundancy you'll have to go raid10 or raid0+1 (stripe-on-mirror), that needs at least 4 disks. |
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| 02:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, I was just wondering about that... I set up a raid0 not so long ago - and when I run hdparm on a single disk and on the raid device - the raid device is normally slightly (perhaps within errormargins) slower... |
| 02:42.45 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, hdparm is the wrong tool (it measures bus speed) |
| 02:43.09 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, for disk benchmarks look into bonnie, bonnie++ or just run everyday stuff like a kernel-compile |
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| 02:43.45 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, a raid0 or raid10 usually gives an enormous speedboost for common access patterns |
| 02:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight, and raid0 means you lose 50% of your capacity, because everything is mirrored |
| 02:44.07 | Phusion | uhh thats raid1, no? |
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| 02:44.48 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, i just read that you actually have 4 disks. i'd suggest to go raid0+1 (a stripe over two mirrors). that gives you a huge speed boost and no tears when one drive fails. the cost is 50% capacity |
| 02:44.48 | dondelelcaro | yes, it's raid1 |
| 02:45.14 | dondelelcaro | if you've got hardware raid, raid5 is probably better. |
| 02:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, I dunno, with those sata disks... I sometimes feel performance is pretty low on them - and so I tried to see if udma is enabled, but the normal tools don't show that |
| 02:45.47 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, i think s-ata disks/controllers rarely have the dma problems that ide used to have. but if you want hard figures, try bonnie |
| 02:45.50 | dondelelcaro | (slightly lower performance, but a good raid card should mask it) |
| 02:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, wrong person for the last comment - dawnlight had 4 disks :) |
| 02:46.07 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, oops. well, DawnLight that raid0+1 comment was for you ;) |
| 02:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/last/penultimate/ |
| 02:46.58 | raz | actually s-ata disks are fairly fast nowadays (for desktop use). scsi is usually about 50% faster in latency (random access), the gap used to be much wider. |
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| 02:48.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, I'll try... got a bit suspicious when I had lock-ups when compiling something - I've only ever seen lockups like that when the disks were accessed without dma... the compile seemed to use excessive amounts of ram, though, because I've seen kswapd blink up in top - but even then, I think that shouldn't freeze the gui as such.... |
| 02:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, what's the difference between bonnie/bonnie++ ... or simpler said, which one do you suggest? |
| 02:49.58 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, hm, profiling such stuff can be tricky. but swapping ofcourse kills everything. if you're low on ram, buy that first. it's cheap, even my home-boxes have 8g now :) |
| 02:50.46 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, i think bonnie++ is has more features. but for a quick-test both should be fine. |
| 02:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, I thought 2G should be plenty... I think I never even used the 1GB on an older computer |
| 02:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I got both installed on that machine :) |
| 02:51.12 | fiendishfish | Any idea why when I scan a IP with nmap, with various scans. it returns every port open? |
| 02:51.25 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, yea well, i saw the ram prices when i shopped and went "what the heck". it's just so cheap |
| 02:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, oh, but I can't run bonnie on the raw devices like hdparm, it seems? so I can only test the raid, not the single disk in comparison |
| 02:52.47 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, just create a fs on single disk, test, make raid, test |
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| 02:53.15 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, i guess there are also tools for blocklevel benchmarks but i don't know one off the top of my head |
| 02:53.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, eh, I used up all space on both disks in there with the sw-raid :) |
| 02:54.52 | S4nD3r | sound card didnt work |
| 02:54.54 | S4nD3r | snif |
| 02:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort S4nD3r |
| 02:55.08 | dpkg | There, there, S4nD3r. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:55.28 | S4nD3r | I tried to use his help |
| 02:55.36 | S4nD3r | but was not enough |
| 02:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | fiendishfish, could be a honeypot :) |
| 02:56.25 | bolt | how do I copy something from one drive to another making sure all permissions, owners and groups and such persist? |
| 02:56.31 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, well, if you have a fs on both the raid and individual disk, why not run bonnie on each? btw there's also iozone |
| 02:57.08 | fiendishfish | CutMeOwnThroat, Every Ip I scan :3 |
| 02:57.26 | raz | bolt, tar or rsync |
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| 02:59.13 | renato | hello |
| 02:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, all partitions on both disks are in the raid |
| 02:59.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | even the swap, as useless as that is |
| 03:00.03 | renato | is there anybody out there/ |
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| 03:01.07 | Nyle | pink floyd? |
| 03:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | renato, people are not sure, but seti@home tries to find out |
| 03:01.18 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: hahaha |
| 03:01.18 | renato | heheeh |
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| 03:01.44 | liberion | hey guys im trying to upgrade etch to sid ,but i keep get glibc6 error ,whats the fix for it??? |
| 03:01.53 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 03:01.53 | dpkg | [dnuts] Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
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| 03:01.59 | Nyle | !sid upgrade |
| 03:02.00 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 03:02.26 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 03:02.26 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 03:02.45 | renato | i have a doubt. we have a webserver, and now we win a new machine and today we finished the installation and configuration of the new machine. so we have to migrate the files to the new machine. how do we copy all the users created in the old machine? |
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| 03:03.03 | renato | we installed debian etch. |
| 03:03.05 | Nyle | Liberate tu te me, ex inferis la debian/unstable!! |
| 03:03.20 | Nyle | courtery of event horizon, tyvm. |
| 03:03.46 | liberion | u guys got any answer on fixing the glibc6 problem?? |
| 03:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late... I would say more like |
| 03:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 03:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, you killed him |
| 03:03.49 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 03:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, my damn network just borks |
| 03:04.08 | Nyle | awe |
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| 03:04.12 | nebM0ft_ | If i am extending a class, Is there any clever way to simply add one extra statement to each overidden method? |
| 03:04.38 | Nyle | nebM0ft_: #programming ? |
| 03:04.45 | renato | anyone? |
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| 03:04.52 | nebM0ft_ | Nyle: well i am coding in java.. |
| 03:05.00 | nebM0ft_ | It would be some fancy java syntax.. |
| 03:05.00 | Nyle | #java? |
| 03:05.01 | nebM0ft_ | :) |
| 03:05.05 | nebM0ft_ | oops |
| 03:05.06 | nebM0ft_ | :) |
| 03:05.09 | nebM0ft_ | sorry |
| 03:05.38 | Nyle | tokenize it. |
| 03:05.53 | nebM0ft | Wrong chan. |
| 03:06.00 | Nyle | indeed. |
| 03:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | renato, the users are in /etc/shadow and /etc/password - you probably keep the home directory.... and you should check to only take real accounts to the new machine and leave bin etc. as it is on the new machine... |
| 03:06.09 | godwin2 | what aptitude packed do i need for JRE6? |
| 03:06.13 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean /etc/passwd |
| 03:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, yes |
| 03:06.25 | Nyle | !info sun-java6-jre |
| 03:06.26 | dpkg | sun-java6-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-04-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6184 kB, Installed size: 14188 kB |
| 03:06.28 | nebM0ft | godwin2: check the backports |
| 03:06.33 | nebM0ft | or sid :) |
| 03:06.41 | godwin2 | !info sun-java6-jre |
| 03:06.42 | dpkg | sun-java6-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-04-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6184 kB, Installed size: 14188 kB |
| 03:07.01 | Nyle | godwin2: having fun? |
| 03:07.53 | renato | hm, very thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 03:09.13 | godwin2 | what are backports? |
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| 03:09.36 | Nyle | !packborts |
| 03:09.42 | Nyle | !backports |
| 03:09.42 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 03:10.12 | renato | so. the second doubt. if we only scp the /var and /home directories we will have a secure migration? |
| 03:10.24 | godwin2 | !woman |
| 03:10.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, woman is do a 'man woman' (apt-get install funny-manpages) |
| 03:10.40 | Nyle | try man condom too |
| 03:10.41 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:11.09 | godwin2 | :) |
| 03:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | renato, I meant you probably keep the disks with the home directory or an exact copy of it... so you need to keep the same user-userid combination in /etc/passwd as on the old machine... the real users normally start with uid 1000, so all accounts before 1000 are administrative - there might be some machine/administrative accounts with uid > 1000 also |
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| 03:12.05 | michael__ | is it possible to mount a new rootfs without rebooting in linux? |
| 03:12.16 | michael__ | to mount another partition as / i.e. |
| 03:12.25 | michael__ | i.e. using singleuser mode |
| 03:12.37 | Nyle | yes |
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| 03:12.41 | Nyle | !chroot |
| 03:12.41 | dpkg | from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 03:12.56 | michael__ | i know chroot, it just wont work out |
| 03:13.05 | michael__ | need to mount without chroot |
| 03:13.11 | Nyle | no |
| 03:13.16 | Tramp | michael__: man 8 pivot_root. Be careful |
| 03:13.20 | Seno1 | brasil ????????? |
| 03:13.22 | Nyle | dont |
| 03:13.29 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 03:13.50 | Nyle | !br |
| 03:13.50 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:13.57 | michael__ | ah nice Tramp , ill try it out |
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| 03:14.35 | Tramp | michael__: but afaik it's not meant to change a root-fs which is mounted rw. It's definitely not a "common" operation |
| 03:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | renato, only the future will show... - you could clone the machine... |
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| 03:15.05 | bolt | !woman |
| 03:15.05 | dpkg | from memory, woman is a great package but it doesnt come with Howto-seven with documentation, or an Emacs addon for browsing manpages. |
| 03:15.05 | michael__ | ill just remount it ro Tramp |
| 03:15.13 | michael__ | to be sure i dont get any problems wit corrupt fs |
| 03:15.26 | michael__ | enter init 1 and mount -o remount,rw / |
| 03:15.34 | michael__ | and then do the pivotting |
| 03:15.37 | Nyle | michael__: why? |
| 03:15.44 | S4nD3r | Nyle: |
| 03:15.51 | Nyle | S4nD3r: |
| 03:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | renato, and when you say 'scp /var and /home' you surely mean, tar it with options conserving permissions, then scp the tarfile and untar? |
| 03:16.01 | S4nD3r | I dont remember how to get packages installed from a file |
| 03:16.07 | S4nD3r | dpkg --set-selection |
| 03:16.08 | michael__ | i tried passing root,init,boot arguments to my kernel, no matter what i do i cant get it to make my sdc the root partition. |
| 03:16.10 | Nyle | S4nD3r: dpkg -i |
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| 03:16.17 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:16.18 | Nyle | that |
| 03:16.28 | Nyle | get |
| 03:16.31 | Nyle | instead of set |
| 03:16.34 | Nyle | !enter |
| 03:16.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 03:16.35 | Tramp | michael__: well, I dunno it it does what you want - it's just an answer to your question. If it is a solution for your problem I dunno 8) |
| 03:16.38 | michael__ | perhaps because of software raid md0, tried uninstalling mdadm temporary for my raid1 sw, also perhaps because i run xfs fs |
| 03:16.45 | michael__ | which lilo doesnt like |
| 03:17.00 | Seldaek | hmm.. I have a sed line a shell script that I would like to do sed 's/foo/$1/g' file, but it doesn't replace by the value of $1, it replaces by litteraly $1.. any idea? |
| 03:17.35 | S4nD3r | dpkg --get-selection < file.txt |
| 03:17.36 | S4nD3r | what else ? |
| 03:17.36 | S4nD3r | !enter |
| 03:17.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 03:17.43 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:17.48 | renato | wait a minute. i am documentating your answers in our wiki |
| 03:17.51 | Tramp | Seldaek: sed wants \1, not $1 iirc |
| 03:17.56 | michael__ | normally it should be enough to pass root=/dev/sdc1 to my kernel. |
| 03:18.00 | Seldaek | Tramp: okay let me try |
| 03:18.19 | Seldaek | Tramp: although that looks like a regex backreference.. |
| 03:19.00 | Seldaek | Tramp: indeed.. invalid reference \1 :) |
| 03:19.00 | Tramp | Seldaek: huh, I thought that's what you wanted |
| 03:19.00 | Nyle | S4nD3r: wait, you have a file of packages already generated? |
| 03:19.00 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 03:19.00 | Seldaek | Tramp: nope, I want to replace it by the shell script first argument |
| 03:19.00 | Nyle | S4nD3r: ohhh |
| 03:19.03 | Nyle | S4nD3r: ok, then do this |
| 03:19.22 | Tramp | Seldaek: ah. try " insted of '. |
| 03:19.31 | michael__ | Tramp: i've spent 2 days on it now :) |
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| 03:19.32 | Tramp | Seldaek: ' quotes the $ |
| 03:19.38 | renato | CutMeOwnThroat: right, i meant tar it. but i am afraid because our /var and /home together sum plus than 5gb |
| 03:19.49 | michael__ | setting up 8 partitions, in raid1, and xfs, getting lilo to like it. |
| 03:20.07 | renato | we are planning to do the migration on monday. |
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| 03:20.24 | Seldaek | Tramp: sed "s/foo/$1/g" outputs $1, did I miss something, |
| 03:20.33 | Nyle | S4nD3r: dpkg --get-selections > selections_file (you alread did?) then do dpkg --set-selections < selections_file; |
| 03:20.51 | michael__ | what is your /g for Seldaek ? |
| 03:20.54 | raz | renato, gnu tar has no problem with big files |
| 03:21.10 | S4nD3r | Nyle: Ok . done |
| 03:21.14 | S4nD3r | and now?? |
| 03:21.14 | Seldaek | michael__: to replace multiple entries in a big file |
| 03:21.14 | Tramp | Seldaek: hmm. can you pastebin the script somewhere? |
| 03:21.16 | Nyle | S4nD3r: ok |
| 03:21.17 | Nyle | now |
| 03:21.34 | jeffwheeler | Are hostnames usually capitalized? |
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| 03:21.57 | renato | and to mantain the dns configuration? wich files should we copy/ |
| 03:22.01 | renato | ? |
| 03:22.05 | Nyle | S4nD3r: apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 03:22.10 | renato | which. |
| 03:22.10 | Nyle | S4nD3r: man apt-get |
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| 03:22.24 | Nyle | I had to reference the manpage too |
| 03:22.25 | Seldaek | Tramp: well it's just : sed "s/-USER-/$1/g" test.sh and test.sh contains foo-USER-foo (simple test case setup) |
| 03:22.39 | renato | /etc/host* ? |
| 03:22.41 | S4nD3r | oh.. dselect... |
| 03:22.45 | S4nD3r | this I forgot |
| 03:22.48 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 03:22.48 | Seldaek | Tramp: oh shit wait |
| 03:22.59 | S4nD3r | see you |
| 03:22.59 | S4nD3r | bye |
| 03:23.20 | Nyle | ok bye |
| 03:23.44 | Seldaek | Tramp: okay neverimnd it works.. my mistake (put $1 in test.sh erm) |
| 03:23.47 | Nyle | !dselect |
| 03:23.47 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/dselect-beginner/ Also ask me about <aptitude>. see ... |
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| 03:24.46 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hello |
| 03:24.49 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:24.57 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | somebody have a good and fast sources.list/? |
| 03:25.02 | Nyle | !sources.list |
| 03:25.02 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:25.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hmmm |
| 03:25.13 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | i know that |
| 03:25.16 | Nyle | Kamus_H_Zwisch: you can generate one based on your geographic locations/continent |
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| 03:25.20 | Nyle | Kamus_H_Zwisch: use apt-spy |
| 03:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but we keep them secret to keep them fast |
| 03:25.24 | Nyle | !info apt-spy |
| 03:25.26 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-18 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 03:25.26 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Nyle, i used |
| 03:25.31 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | but the repos are too slow |
| 03:25.45 | Nyle | then I'm sorry, I don't know anything else to tell you. |
| 03:25.54 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :( |
| 03:26.02 | Nyle | which country are you in? |
| 03:26.02 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | don't have you one fast? |
| 03:26.07 | Tramp | Seldaek: ok. I take that as a "thanks". |
| 03:26.08 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | brazil |
| 03:26.10 | Seldaek | with userdel --force, the "removed files" means it will crush /home/$user, nothing else right? |
| 03:26.14 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | i tried deustch |
| 03:26.15 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | us |
| 03:26.18 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | argentina |
| 03:26.20 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | chile |
| 03:26.22 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | mexico |
| 03:26.26 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :( |
| 03:26.32 | Nyle | you should use apt-spy and test south america |
| 03:26.34 | Tramp | !tell Kamus_H_Zwisch about enter |
| 03:26.40 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ops |
| 03:26.46 | Seldaek | Tramp: you should indeed, sorry I was too pissed at myself it distracted my politeness, thanks ;) |
| 03:26.48 | DawnLight | the tldp lvm howto states that "In certain situations this strategy can improve the performance of the logical volume.". what conditions are those? |
| 03:26.55 | Tramp | Seldaek: np 8) |
| 03:27.11 | Nyle | Tramp: my, what big eyes you have |
| 03:27.21 | Seldaek | hah |
| 03:27.23 | Tramp | Nyle: Sorry? |
| 03:27.31 | Nyle | its so i can see you better dear. |
| 03:27.33 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | what spped you down? |
| 03:27.39 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | speed* |
| 03:27.45 | Nyle | me? 20 kb/s |
| 03:27.48 | Seldaek | Tramp: he was refering to the "8)" I guess |
| 03:27.54 | Nyle | my internet sucks major ballsacks |
| 03:27.55 | Tramp | ah. |
| 03:28.04 | Tramp | that's glasses. |
| 03:28.04 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | 6801kB in 2min11s (51,6kB/s), this isa repo?no :( |
| 03:28.09 | Nyle | Tramp: yes, yes I was. and the little red riding hood. |
| 03:28.20 | Nyle | "my, what big eyes/ears/teeth you have" |
| 03:28.20 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | my transfer rate is 200kb/s |
| 03:28.28 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | and i upgrading from etch to lenny |
| 03:28.28 | Nyle | "so i can see/hear/eat you better" |
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| 03:28.37 | Nyle | nm |
| 03:28.39 | debian | Hello |
| 03:28.41 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | i can't download at 8000b/s(yes, this happens) |
| 03:28.46 | Nyle | debian: hi |
| 03:28.52 | debian | Nyle: How do I kill x? |
| 03:28.59 | Nyle | debian: using a dm? |
| 03:29.06 | Nyle | kdm/gdm/xdm? |
| 03:29.10 | Seldaek | if I delete a group, all users in it won't be affected (beyond the fact they lose the group link) right? |
| 03:29.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | debian, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:29.20 | Nyle | debian: usually alt+ctrl+backspace |
| 03:29.20 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | or kdm |
| 03:29.23 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | fow xdm |
| 03:29.25 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | i don't know |
| 03:29.29 | Nyle | !enter |
| 03:29.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 03:29.33 | dondelelcaro | Seldaek: so long as it isn't a primary user, yes. |
| 03:29.39 | dondelelcaro | s/user/group/ |
| 03:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, http://pastebin.ca/915866 for bonnie++ without options on a directory in the raid - the problem as usual is to relate that :) |
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| 03:30.05 | Seldaek | dondelelcaro: primary ? what do you mean ? |
| 03:30.27 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | 50kb/s |
| 03:30.28 | Seldaek | like if a user is only in that group he will be removed or is it special groups ? |
| 03:30.28 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :( |
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| 03:30.34 | benjamindees | can anyone tell me how I can find out how the 'install a base system' option of the debian-installer goes about doing that? (in sarge) |
| 03:30.43 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | anyone know a reay faster mirror updated? |
| 03:30.47 | raz | CutMeOwnThroat, yea, you need to benchmark a single disk on the same machine if you want to compare |
| 03:30.51 | debian | Nyle: It automagicaly restarts! |
| 03:30.53 | Nyle | benjamindees: sure... install guide? |
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| 03:31.13 | Nyle | debian: then you have a dm |
| 03:31.25 | benjamindees | Kamus_H_Zwisch, you can install the latest version of netselect-apt (for testing) in stable and it will work |
| 03:31.26 | Nyle | debian: I asked you and you never answered me |
| 03:31.35 | Nyle | debian: in fact, Kamus_H_Zwisch told you too |
| 03:31.40 | Nyle | pay attention dude. |
| 03:32.03 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | benjamindees, i tried netselect-apt and apt-spy. they aren't so much smart |
| 03:32.03 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :( |
| 03:32.14 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Nyle, i read |
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| 03:32.30 | Nyle | Kamus_H_Zwisch: i didn't tell you to pay attention :) |
| 03:32.40 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | uhh |
| 03:32.43 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | yeh, this is right |
| 03:32.47 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :-p |
| 03:33.01 | debian | Nyle: I tryed ctrl alt backspace at once |
| 03:33.09 | debian | so I loost x in a few seconds |
| 03:33.13 | Nyle | debian: /etc/init.d/[g|k|x]dm stop |
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| 03:33.32 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | somebody who donwloads at 200kb/s+ can pass to me the sources.list? |
| 03:33.39 | Nyle | pick a letter, any letter, if you don't know, then try em all. |
| 03:33.42 | dondelelcaro | Kamus_H_Zwisch: the fastest mirrors are dependent on your network location. If you're close to them, they're fast. If you're far away, they're not. Look at the available mirrors, and choose one. |
| 03:33.43 | Nyle | cuz i sure as hell don't kow |
| 03:33.56 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | i selected usp |
| 03:34.05 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | but are slow |
| 03:34.08 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: or use apt-spy to scan south america (since he is in brazil) |
| 03:34.11 | dondelelcaro | Kamus_H_Zwisch: so pick a different one in brazil. |
| 03:34.32 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | maybe is my network connection. i'll check the cables later |
| 03:34.37 | dondelelcaro | I have mirrors that I get 8M/s to, but you won't, because you're not on calren2. |
| 03:34.45 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ok, dondelelcaro |
| 03:34.52 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: good lord |
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| 03:35.00 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | uhh, but can you pass then to me? |
| 03:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh no! debian has quit... and I had so many questions to him |
| 03:35.05 | Nyle | 8 friggn M/s |
| 03:35.09 | Nyle | goddamn man |
| 03:35.19 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | oO |
| 03:35.21 | dondelelcaro | Kamus_H_Zwisch: linux.csua.berkeley.edu FE. |
| 03:35.25 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | this is a little fast |
| 03:35.26 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :p |
| 03:35.40 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.47 | Nyle | what? |
| 03:36.07 | Nyle | dondelelcaro's connection? |
| 03:36.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.13 | Nyle | yeh thats freakin fast |
| 03:36.15 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | right? |
| 03:36.34 | Nyle | man, immagine me going from 20kb/s to 8mb/s |
| 03:36.41 | Nyle | wow |
| 03:36.43 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | this is good |
| 03:36.44 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :?p |
| 03:36.50 | Nyle | hehe beyond good |
| 03:37.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | dondelelcaro, whats the protocol?ftp or http? |
| 03:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, stop driveling |
| 03:37.32 | dondelelcaro | Kamus_H_Zwisch: uh... you know, the mirrors list is publicly available? You can find all of that out for yourself. |
| 03:37.37 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: drooling? |
| 03:37.40 | Nyle | w/e driveling means |
| 03:37.41 | dondelelcaro | Kamus_H_Zwisch: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 03:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that, too |
| 03:37.52 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | thanks |
| 03:38.16 | Nyle | I am most certainly not driveling. |
| 03:38.21 | dondelelcaro | driveling and drooling are synonyms |
| 03:38.27 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:38.28 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:38.55 | benjamindees | Nyle, any idea what program in d-i does all that great downloading and unpacking? |
| 03:39.08 | Nyle | benjamindees: yeh I had the bookmarks saved |
| 03:39.14 | Nyle | all the handy dandy debian docs |
| 03:39.18 | Nyle | hang on i know i read it soemwhere |
| 03:39.25 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | bye bye dudes, thanks for help |
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| 03:40.01 | benjamindees | I'm reading the doc; it's not really very specific; I'm thinking that udpkg is what I'm looking for but I'm not sure |
| 03:42.13 | Nyle | debootstrap |
| 03:42.26 | Nyle | I recall either appendix A, installer sections, or appendix D |
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| 03:42.35 | Nyle | where the fuck did I save my bookmarks file to |
| 03:42.54 | benjamindees | or debootstrap :p |
| 03:44.29 | benjamindees | okay I see some appendices; I think I can figure out debootstrap |
| 03:44.35 | Nyle | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/talks/debconf6/paper/ |
| 03:44.45 | Nyle | ebian Installer internals |
| 03:44.47 | Nyle | found it |
| 03:44.51 | benjamindees | yeah I'm looking at that |
| 03:44.53 | Nyle | developers references |
| 03:45.17 | Nyle | thats not linked in the install guide's appendix |
| 03:45.40 | benjamindees | I know; it's in the d-i wiki |
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| 03:46.55 | Nyle | ahh |
| 03:46.59 | Nyle | thats where I found the link |
| 03:47.10 | Nyle | i had forgot to bookmark the main site |
| 03:47.29 | Nyle | hey cool, thanks for reminding me |
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| 03:52.05 | jeffwheeler | If I wanted to compile a custom kernel (for experience, and HFS+) for my Sid system, where would the best spot to start be? Google found a lot of older articles that didn't seem to work well. |
| 03:52.32 | jeffwheeler | (It's a ppc system, if that makes any difference.) |
| 03:53.31 | Nyle | actually |
| 03:53.34 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:53.40 | Nyle | I believe you don't need to |
| 03:53.57 | Nyle | as I recently found out, mac partition table support is on by default in late kernels |
| 03:54.05 | Nyle | also, you need hfstools |
| 03:54.07 | Nyle | !info hfstools |
| 03:54.16 | Nyle | now as far you bein gon a ppc machine, I have no idea |
| 03:54.30 | Nyle | I have a basic sarge on powerbook 3400c |
| 03:54.35 | michael__ | how do i mount my /etc at boot by appending to the kernel? |
| 03:54.41 | michael__ | as init requires /etc/fstab on boot |
| 03:54.49 | michael__ | i got /etc on another disk. |
| 03:55.02 | michael__ | and start with boot=/dev/sdc1 , my /etc partition is /dev/sdc7 |
| 03:55.03 | Nyle | ahh, plus, utils, progs |
| 03:55.05 | Kevin` | jeffwheeler use darwin's hfs utilities and the kernel support for HFS+, more stabler then the old stuff. see gentoo wiki about it |
| 03:55.08 | Nyle | not tools |
| 03:55.46 | michael__ | /etc/inittab and /etc/fstab it needs |
| 03:56.10 | jeffwheeler | Kevin`: hmm, I was gonna play with the kernel support, but is it already in there? I assumed I would need to recompile with it (which I didn't really mind, the experience would be worth it!). |
| 03:56.16 | Kevin` | michael__ /etc should be part of / unless you mount it manually in a script |
| 03:56.22 | Nyle | jeffwheeler: no need to recompile |
| 03:56.29 | Kevin` | jeffwheeler probably already present |
| 03:56.40 | Kevin` | filesystem "hfsplus" |
| 03:56.42 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: oh, nifty; then I'll try to figure out why it was mounting as ro and telling me rw |
| 03:56.46 | Nyle | you need the following packages, hfsplus, hfsutils, hfsprogs |
| 03:57.00 | michael__ | which script, they normally are located in /etc/rc.x :) |
| 03:57.04 | michael__ | Kevin`: |
| 03:57.13 | Nyle | you MAY need to modprobe hfs/hfsplus |
| 03:57.18 | Nyle | I had to |
| 03:57.18 | jeffwheeler | Yeah, I have those three installed; it seems others have had a similar problem with it mounting as ro when it's supposed to be rw. |
| 03:57.33 | Nyle | jeffwheeler: mounting it as rw? |
| 03:57.35 | Kevin` | michael__ your own script that mounts it THEN loads init. your screwing with stuff you shouldn't be :) |
| 03:57.45 | Nyle | oh my stomach hurts |
| 03:58.05 | Nyle | oh blast that sesame chicken |
| 03:58.09 | Nyle | brb |
| 03:58.11 | michael__ | how do i create such a script, which runs before init Kevin` ? |
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| 03:58.18 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: yeah; "/dev/sda on /var/backups/mbp type hfsplus (rw)", but `touch /var/backups/mbp/test` returns `touch: cannot touch "/var/backups/mbp/test': Read-only file system" |
| 03:58.26 | michael__ | possible to append to kernel, to run /myscript for mount of /etc |
| 03:58.28 | michael__ | ? |
| 03:58.35 | Nyle | jeffwheeler: you got permissions? |
| 03:58.43 | Kevin` | michael__ text editor, init=/bin/myscript. should exec /sbin/init on the last line |
| 03:58.48 | Kevin` | exec not just load |
| 03:58.51 | Nyle | ow |
| 03:58.57 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: through sudo, I get the same error |
| 03:59.19 | michael__ | nice gonna try that out Kevin` :) |
| 03:59.27 | michael__ | how stupid, to forget an /etc :) |
| 03:59.35 | Nyle | jeffwheeler: well I dunno man, I've only used RO |
| 03:59.49 | Nyle | never bothered with writing to mac disk as my task was data recovery only |
| 03:59.53 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: no worries .... anybody else get it working? |
| 03:59.56 | Kevin` | michael__ if you just want the system to run to be able to fix things init=/bin/sh works |
| 04:00.16 | Kevin` | jeffwheeler check dmesg. you probably have to disable journalling on the partition |
| 04:00.17 | Nyle | !ppc |
| 04:00.17 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 04:00.22 | Nyle | jeffwheeler: try in that channel |
| 04:00.41 | jeffwheeler | Good idea, thanks. |
| 04:00.42 | Nyle | ...also |
| 04:01.01 | Kevin` | I want a ppc computer |
| 04:01.11 | jeffwheeler | It's an old Mac Mini in the closet. ;) |
| 04:01.23 | Nyle | jeffwheeler: i have a powerbook 3400c |
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| 04:01.35 | Nyle | system 9 |
| 04:01.39 | michael__ | Kevin`: its weird when i do it with /bin/sh and try to mount my / as xfs it says XFS mounting filesystem sdc1, but nothing is in df except for udev |
| 04:01.48 | Nyle | well its had sarge for years though |
| 04:01.59 | michael__ | normally it would list up in df, but perhaps because of missing /proc ? |
| 04:02.08 | jeffwheeler | Ah, I've got a MacBook Pro with Leopard on it too, but I'm thinking about Boot-Camping with Debian. I've never used a linux laptop. |
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| 04:02.18 | jeffwheeler | (This machine is an old Dell.) |
| 04:02.23 | Nyle | keep macn on it |
| 04:02.27 | Nyle | dualboot if you can |
| 04:02.33 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: yeah, that was my plan |
| 04:02.33 | Nyle | don't wipe os x |
| 04:02.33 | Kevin` | michael__ mount /proc then get your information from /proc/mounts (default is /etc/mtab which is confused in early boot) |
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| 04:02.47 | jeffwheeler | I can't: I need Photoshop. |
| 04:03.03 | michael__ | works Kevin` , funny that sdc7 shows up in df, but not sdc1 :) |
| 04:03.14 | jeffwheeler | oh, and it looks like whoever said journaling was right on the money |
| 04:03.15 | michael__ | sdc7 is /etc and sdc1 is / |
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| 04:03.26 | michael__ | they both show up in mounts |
| 04:03.41 | Kevin` | jeffwheeler that's because i've done it before :) |
| 04:03.56 | jeffwheeler | Kevin`: I can appreciate that. :P Thanks! |
| 04:03.57 | Nyle | Kevin` |
| 04:03.58 | Kevin` | jeffwheeler also the gentoo wiki knows everything, even if it's a silly distro |
| 04:04.01 | Nyle | da man |
| 04:04.17 | michael__ | gentoo wiki is often useful, even for debian. |
| 04:04.20 | atp | does anyone here use emacs-snapshot? i just installed it the other day and when i try to run it i get "Fatal error (6)Aborted" after it thinks for a bit |
| 04:04.38 | jeffwheeler | atp: I'm running it with no problems on Sid |
| 04:04.45 | x|e | what would be a reason for my system to lock up after installing new kernel? it works fine if im not putting any kind of load on it but once i do it locks up... i have checked most of my logs and i cant find anything thats wrong |
| 04:04.57 | atp | jeffwheeler: hm. 23.0.0.1? |
| 04:05.20 | jeffwheeler | atp: Nope; 23.0.60.1 |
| 04:05.24 | Kevin` | x|e that sounds like a hardware problem, but set up netconsole to report to another computer for better logging |
| 04:05.40 | jeffwheeler | atp: oh, there's probably one in the main repositories isn't there? |
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| 04:05.55 | jeffwheeler | I'm using the unofficial (but commonly-linked-to) one. |
| 04:05.57 | atp | jeffwheeler: oh, oops, yes, that's the one i have too. |
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| 04:06.04 | Nyle | x|e: memtest |
| 04:06.11 | atp | jeffwheeler: wait, just a sec... it seems i have two installed, that's probably not good |
| 04:06.11 | Nyle | x|e: do it now |
| 04:06.23 | Kevin` | (memtest86+) |
| 04:07.17 | atp | jeffwheeler: i think i compiled a version from cvs sometime back before learning about emacs-snapshot... could it be that the two versions are conflicting with each other? |
| 04:07.42 | jeffwheeler | atp: seems reasonable; how are you launching the new version? |
| 04:07.58 | K_Dallas | A quickie: Besides the usual repositories, which others are mostly used repositories for extra stuff? Thanks |
| 04:08.05 | Nasra | any1 know where to buy linux distros in toronto? |
| 04:08.10 | Nyle | !non-free |
| 04:08.10 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:08.28 | Nyle | !contrib |
| 04:08.28 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 04:08.34 | K_Dallas | thanks Nyle |
| 04:08.37 | Nyle | sure |
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| 04:08.41 | atp | jeffwheeler: ok, i've nuked the old version. now running either emacs or emacs-snapshot or emacs-snapshot-gtk all are version 23.0.60.1 |
| 04:08.55 | jeffwheeler | atp: same error? |
| 04:08.59 | atp | jeffwheeler: yes |
| 04:09.35 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, I'm not really sure. You can run the plain-jane Emacs from Debian fine? |
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| 04:10.39 | atp | jeffwheeler: i haven't actually tried. for a long time, chinese was broken in emacs and so i haven't been able to use it as my primary editor. i used (gasp) vim for quite sometime as a result. but i understand that emacs "works" now if you use the cvs version, so i'm trying to move back to it |
| 04:10.47 | Nasra | any1 know where to buy linux distros in toronto? |
| 04:10.54 | atp | jeffwheeler: or more specifically, unicode+chinese was broken. |
| 04:10.57 | Nyle | gogole knows |
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| 04:11.08 | Nasra | ok |
| 04:11.34 | Nyle | !vendors |
| 04:11.34 | dpkg | [vendors] at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 04:11.37 | Nyle | have fun |
| 04:11.51 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#ca |
| 04:12.27 | Nasra | ok Nyle.... |
| 04:13.10 | jeffwheeler | Is there any way to disable journaling without having the drive connected directly to the Mac? |
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| 04:13.46 | NetEcho | how would I uninstall programs installed by apt-get such as apache? |
| 04:14.02 | Nyle | Nasra: i told you only where debian vendors are. |
| 04:14.08 | Nyle | Nasra: rest is upto google and you |
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| 04:14.27 | Nyle | !uninstall |
| 04:14.31 | Nyle | eh |
| 04:14.51 | Nyle | NetEcho: apt-get remove (--purge also to remove config files as well) |
| 04:15.00 | NetEcho | so apt-get remove apache2? |
| 04:15.17 | Nyle | NetEcho: man apt-get /msg dpkg apt how-to, /msg dpkg grounding, /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 04:15.41 | Nyle | start using aptitude instead |
| 04:15.46 | Nyle | and yes, aptitude remove apache2 |
| 04:15.55 | Nyle | etc. apt/getblahalah |
| 04:16.11 | NetEcho | whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 04:16.21 | Nyle | I just told you how to find that out ;) |
| 04:16.36 | NetEcho | ah |
| 04:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, of course for fairness /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
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| 04:17.10 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:17.14 | Nyle | I was not aware of that |
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| 04:17.18 | Nyle | !why not aptitude |
| 04:17.18 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 04:17.30 | Nyle | !dbugs #299009 |
| 04:17.33 | dpkg | #299009:I[aptitude] aptitude: Different package status results from command line vs. interactive use; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:33:02 UTC |
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| 04:17.39 | NetEcho | lol |
| 04:17.41 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 04:17.42 | s2rth | hi |
| 04:17.47 | Nyle | thas a funny bug |
| 04:17.56 | s2rth | i'm having prob with cdebootstrap debian lenny |
| 04:18.01 | NetEcho | ugh my router fubard the connection to the server |
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| 04:18.36 | Nyle | s2rth: that sucks. |
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| 04:18.42 | s2rth | cdebootstrap -a i386 testing lfs http://192.168.0.6/debian |
| 04:18.45 | s2rth | ? |
| 04:18.50 | s2rth | why is it so |
| 04:18.58 | s2rth | it works fine for stable suite |
| 04:18.58 | icesword | hi,i got this damn thing,this day i installed debian,which ubuntu is based on,when i got to "install grub" power is off,then i restart after a while,i cannot boot into debian,but already have debian installed to the disk,anyway to fix this |
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| 04:19.09 | Nyle | icesword: no. |
| 04:19.19 | Nyle | er.. |
| 04:19.22 | icesword | Nyle, ? |
| 04:19.26 | Nyle | not you |
| 04:19.29 | icesword | plz help me |
| 04:19.39 | icesword | i am a new guy |
| 04:19.54 | Nyle | yes |
| 04:20.01 | icesword | then what? |
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| 04:20.06 | Nyle | you can fix this, but not really, hang on |
| 04:20.15 | icesword | how to |
| 04:20.18 | Nyle | yes you can, but i don't know how |
| 04:20.22 | icesword | use what |
| 04:20.35 | Nyle | I think you can boot from livd ubuntu cd |
| 04:20.47 | Nyle | chroot into your debian, and grub install |
| 04:20.50 | NetEcho | wtf |
| 04:20.57 | Tramp | !rescue mode |
| 04:20.57 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 04:20.58 | Nyle | and then finish off the rest of the steps manually |
| 04:21.00 | NetEcho | I was just using ssh and all of a sudden the SSHD died |
| 04:21.03 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 04:21.22 | s2rth | hi |
| 04:21.25 | s2rth | may i know |
| 04:21.30 | Nyle | Tramp: there are a few more steps after the grub step in the installer |
| 04:21.38 | s2rth | which is the gnome version in current stable debian |
| 04:21.43 | s2rth | is that 2.20 ? |
| 04:21.46 | Nyle | Tramp: what about them, grub is easy enough to install, but wouldn't he have to finish up the installer? |
| 04:21.49 | atp | jeffwheeler: just fyi, the error in emacs was because i had an old x resource somewhere that was trying to set the font |
| 04:22.01 | jeffwheeler | atp: oh, ha |
| 04:22.11 | jeffwheeler | atp: I'll be sure to check for that in the future |
| 04:22.14 | Tramp | Nyle: ah, ok. Was just a suggestion. Maybe it would be best to start over (with an UPS attached) |
| 04:22.26 | Nyle | Tramp: it would be best to restart yes |
| 04:22.45 | atp | jeffwheeler: i asked on #emacs and they knew immediately. i couldn't figure out what the problem was, because i wasn't trying to change the font, and my .emacs wasn't being read |
| 04:22.46 | Nyle | unless you search, and find the exact install steps and do them manually whiel chrooted |
| 04:22.59 | Nyle | but yes, it would be easier just to reinstall NetEcho |
| 04:23.09 | NetEcho | reinstall what Nyle? |
| 04:23.09 | jeffwheeler | atp: ah, yeah |
| 04:23.16 | atp | jeffwheeler: but then i checked my x resources and there it was, a '*font' entry. :) thanks for your help. |
| 04:23.19 | Nyle | s/ NetEcho /icesword |
| 04:23.26 | NetEcho | heh |
| 04:23.29 | jeffwheeler | atp: no problem; thanks fo the info |
| 04:23.35 | icesword | Nyle, ? |
| 04:23.41 | Nyle | icesword: reinstall |
| 04:23.46 | Nyle | get a ups |
| 04:23.48 | s2rth | heyy |
| 04:23.53 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:23.55 | s2rth | anyone tried lenny live |
| 04:23.56 | s2rth | ? |
| 04:24.00 | Nyle | lenny live? |
| 04:24.01 | s2rth | is there a lenny live cd |
| 04:24.07 | Nyle | !live cd |
| 04:24.07 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 04:24.42 | NetEcho | Nyle remember that network issue I had earlier? |
| 04:24.51 | Nyle | no |
| 04:24.55 | Nyle | I smoke weed.sorry |
| 04:24.59 | NetEcho | where nothing but local IPs were resolving |
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| 04:25.12 | Nyle | yes, it was your friggin interfaces file |
| 04:25.16 | Nyle | totally fuxed |
| 04:25.16 | NetEcho | and guess what |
| 04:25.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:25.24 | NetEcho | its doing it again with the config you gave me |
| 04:25.35 | Nyle | and it worked at the time |
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| 04:25.50 | NetEcho | sshd just randomly died then I had to reboot |
| 04:25.57 | Nyle | try to ping something through your router |
| 04:25.57 | NetEcho | cause I can't physicaly restart sshd |
| 04:26.00 | NetEcho | and now this is happening |
| 04:26.01 | icesword | i will not reinstall |
| 04:26.02 | Nyle | NetEcho: which distro/release? |
| 04:26.08 | NetEcho | Nyle stable netinst |
| 04:26.11 | NetEcho | of debian |
| 04:26.14 | icesword | there are a lot ways to fix this |
| 04:26.17 | icesword | i know |
| 04:26.29 | icesword | i guess |
| 04:26.31 | Aoshi | guys do you know a free vpn service to connect? |
| 04:26.31 | Nyle | icesword: then it will be really hard, as grub is easy enough to install, yet finishing off the rest of the config of the installer might be a pain as i don't recall exactly what it does after it installs grub on mbr |
| 04:27.05 | Nyle | NetEcho: check router WAN side settings |
| 04:27.10 | NetEcho | the router is fine |
| 04:27.15 | Nyle | make sure the router is getting the correct info from the cable modem/dsl etc. |
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| 04:27.21 | NetEcho | debian is the only system having issues with it |
| 04:27.27 | Nyle | can you ping something from the router and it resolves? |
| 04:27.31 | leonardo | what this error means: ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 04:27.31 | leonardo | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 04:27.31 | leonardo | opera: cannot connect to X server |
| 04:27.31 | leonardo | opera: Fatal error on creating Qt application object |
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| 04:27.37 | NetEcho | yes I certainly can |
| 04:27.42 | NetEcho | debian keeps doing random shit |
| 04:27.49 | NetEcho | like killing processes for no reason |
| 04:27.50 | Nyle | NetEcho: pastebin your interfaces file and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:27.59 | NetEcho | Nyle nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:28.07 | Nyle | NetEcho: then you've either been compromised or you are NOT using debian stable |
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| 04:28.26 | NetEcho | compromised on a non-production server without root login via ssh? |
| 04:28.27 | Nyle | NetEcho: debian doesn't just do that, especially stable, unless shit is happeneing cuz you have less ram and swap |
| 04:28.34 | Nyle | that could cause shit like that too, but not ps killing |
| 04:28.36 | leonardo | copied some 3 lines and was banned |
| 04:28.43 | icesword | coz i use this in virtual machine,i am not that silly |
| 04:28.43 | Nyle | leonardo: 4 |
| 04:28.52 | NetEcho | doesn't explain why SSHD would randomly die 2 seconds after logging in |
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| 04:29.05 | Nyle | NetEcho: checked the logs? |
| 04:29.11 | Nyle | any/all relevant log |
| 04:29.15 | Nyle | logs* |
| 04:29.25 | NetEcho | where would SSHD log to? |
| 04:29.25 | leonardo | but did you see the error nyle? |
| 04:29.37 | Nyle | I don' tuse opera |
| 04:29.42 | icesword | dpkg, thank you sir |
| 04:29.42 | dpkg | icesword: gern geschehen |
| 04:29.59 | Nyle | i guess libjvm is a java virtual machine of some sort |
| 04:30.08 | Nyle | leonardo: I don't know enough to help you, sorry. |
| 04:30.08 | icesword | dpkg, now i use dsl to boot into this computer |
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| 04:30.20 | icesword | dpkg, then i typed grub |
| 04:30.29 | Nyle | icesword: dpkg is a bot |
| 04:30.30 | Nyle | :) |
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| 04:30.37 | icesword | dpkg, now i am in grub,what to do next |
| 04:30.41 | icesword | :( |
| 04:30.46 | leonardo | ok nyle |
| 04:30.47 | wols_ | dpkg is a bot |
| 04:31.21 | Nyle | icesword: ok, once again. reinstalling grub to an incomplete install is hard, as well as finishing the installer off |
| 04:31.32 | icesword | oh,i see,it is trump tht guy called the bot |
| 04:31.32 | Nyle | icesword: just reinstall please and save time |
| 04:31.46 | icesword | tramp |
| 04:31.48 | Nyle | Tramp: and I think its a woman |
| 04:31.54 | Nyle | you don't call a guy a tramp |
| 04:31.55 | Nyle | :/ |
| 04:31.57 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: /var/log/daemon, but it depends on your syslog configuration |
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| 04:32.17 | icesword | Nyle, i just install grub to mbr,is that right |
| 04:32.23 | Nyle | sure |
| 04:32.28 | icesword | ok |
| 04:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, there are no woman on the internet, and if there are, they are men :-/ |
| 04:32.31 | icesword | how |
| 04:32.32 | icesword | ? |
| 04:32.39 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: haha |
| 04:32.52 | wols_ | icesword: install grub-doc and find out |
| 04:33.00 | Nyle | icesword: he isn't in debian |
| 04:33.07 | Nyle | wols_: he has an unfinished install |
| 04:33.15 | Joelito | hi all: How can I install gnome full without gnome-office? My idea is to use "apt-get install gnome" but without gnome-office. |
| 04:33.18 | Nyle | was on before the grub install step, and power failed |
| 04:33.31 | icesword | yeah,that is the thing |
| 04:33.42 | wols_ | !tell Joelito abouz install gnome |
| 04:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | abouz? |
| 04:34.09 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:34.17 | icesword | !install gnome | joelito |
| 04:34.22 | Nyle | !install gnome |
| 04:34.23 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 04:34.26 | wols_ | if he already has ubuntu installed he already has a grub installed |
| 04:34.37 | Nyle | wols_: he doesn't have ubuntu installed |
| 04:34.40 | wols_ | icesword: this debian. this doesn't work |
| 04:34.47 | Nyle | wols_: he is installing debian in a vm |
| 04:34.49 | Nyle | i think he said |
| 04:34.56 | Nyle | I just don't see why he doesn't reinstall it |
| 04:34.57 | icesword | yeah |
| 04:35.07 | icesword | i don't want to |
| 04:35.13 | wols_ | Nyle: stubborness |
| 04:35.20 | Nyle | well fine then. I don't wanna help you anymore. |
| 04:35.25 | wols_ | we don't want to hand hold when you are lazy either. we're even |
| 04:35.28 | Nyle | why should I waste my time. |
| 04:35.30 | Aoshi | guys do you know a free vpn service for networking tests? |
| 04:35.35 | Joelito | wols_, icesword: Thanks.. |
| 04:35.56 | wols_ | what is a vpn service? and how is a vpn service debian related? |
| 04:35.57 | icesword | Nyle, don't be angry:( |
| 04:36.02 | NetEcho | there goes SSHD again |
| 04:36.08 | Nyle | I'm very much not angry |
| 04:36.12 | Nyle | I am a peaceful pothead |
| 04:36.19 | icesword | sorry:( |
| 04:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | icesword, the general feeling is just, if you say you know there is a good way to fix it up without reinstalling.... well, then you will be able to find out everything in detail about it |
| 04:36.50 | Nyle | peace be with you, the lord give peace, you shall taketh thy peace and be peaceful, here is my peace i give my peace to you |
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| 04:37.01 | wols_ | Nyle: you are NOT peaceful :) |
| 04:37.07 | Nyle | heh, sure I am |
| 04:37.17 | Nyle | I'm just an asshole |
| 04:37.22 | Nyle | thats a diff thing. |
| 04:37.33 | wols_ | let's be peaceful assholes then :) |
| 04:37.39 | Nyle | word |
| 04:38.02 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
| 04:38.10 | Joelito | wols_: Do you know how can I preview the estimated download size of the package? |
| 04:38.18 | icesword | just give me a direction |
| 04:38.31 | wols_ | icesword: the gist is: we suggested something to you, you don't like it, so you gotta do everything on your own without our help. have fun |
| 04:38.42 | wols_ | Joelito: apt-get tells you |
| 04:38.54 | icesword | reinstall takes time |
| 04:38.57 | wols_ | "need to get XXX MB of files, they will take up 1GB of space" |
| 04:39.00 | Nyle | !fixmbr |
| 04:39.00 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
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| 04:39.04 | wols_ | icesword: so does whining here |
| 04:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | icesword, the direction was: "reinstall" people try to give definite help here - and a reinstall will definitely work, while patching it up will create problems over problems |
| 04:39.31 | wols_ | icesword: grub is not your only problem fyi |
| 04:39.33 | Nyle | icesword: /msg dpkg fixmbr to install grub. as for finishign off the remaining installer steps, good luck, you might still have a broken system after recoving the grub |
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| 04:39.54 | Nyle | what part of that do you NOT understand? |
| 04:40.02 | Nyle | I'll try my best to elaborate. |
| 04:40.18 | icesword | heheh,still have a broken system |
| 04:40.21 | wols_ | Nyle: don't. not worth the effort and prolongs his whining |
| 04:40.28 | icesword | yeah,you all are good man |
| 04:41.12 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 04:41.13 | Nyle | fuck it |
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| 04:42.27 | Nyle | I need 4gb more ram |
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| 04:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks! that's what I wondered all day - I woke up and thought "does Nyle need more ram"? |
| 04:43.13 | jeffspeff2 | i have a question, hopefully, somebody in here can help me out... |
| 04:43.17 | jeffspeff2 | with horde authentication set to use imap auth, you only have to login once and you have access to everything. my current config has horde auth set to sql, and the imap auth is set to the same sql, but you have to login twice. the first login is to get into horde, from there you click on the mail button and it requests another login (for the imap) after that you're good... but double logins is annoying. any ideas? |
| 04:43.38 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: with 4gb more I could have 8gb of ram! |
| 04:43.59 | Nyle | !horde |
| 04:43.59 | dpkg | [horde] The Horde Project is about creating high quality Open Source applications, based on PHP and the Horde Framework. |
| 04:44.06 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:44.39 | Nyle | well I don't have a freakin' clue |
| 04:44.52 | jeffspeff2 | i've asked there... they're all asleep or something... :( |
| 04:44.53 | Nyle | I would like to find out though, so ... |
| 04:45.07 | Nyle | jeffspeff2: I'm not sure how this is debian related |
| 04:45.29 | Nyle | jeffspeff2: are you having problems with debian packages of horse/php/mysql? |
| 04:45.30 | wols_ | Nyle: configuration of a debian package |
| 04:45.31 | jeffspeff2 | from what i've read, it seems to be used mostly on debian systems |
| 04:45.34 | Nyle | I see |
| 04:45.38 | Nyle | I figured as much |
| 04:45.48 | jeffspeff2 | i thought i'd ask, just a poke in the dark. |
| 04:45.54 | wols_ | Joelito: but the chance of you getting an answer here while not zero, is slim |
| 04:46.08 | icesword | !setup x |
| 04:46.08 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 04:46.14 | Nyle | !selftell |
| 04:46.14 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 04:46.19 | jeffspeff2 | it's really sweet, everything is using the same db... but you have to log in twice... :( |
| 04:47.26 | Nyle | wols_: actually, configuration of a debian package, or configuration of the software that was pacakged? because as much they would like, we can't provide support for how to configure/use the software |
| 04:47.39 | Nyle | that doesn't fall into #debian support |
| 04:47.43 | Nyle | imo anyway |
| 04:47.50 | jeffspeff2 | Nyle: the problem isn't with horde/php/mysql... i can't get imp to use the same session (at login) as horde... |
| 04:47.56 | wols_ | Nyle: we cannot do for all but we do if we can |
| 04:48.45 | Nyle | jeffspeff2: keep trying, though I doubt you'll find an answer here |
| 04:48.55 | jeffspeff2 | lol, thanks anyways |
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| 04:49.14 | Nyle | what about horde/php forums or mailing lists? |
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| 04:51.47 | martianixor | hi, guys what's the propability of getting same system on a different part of my HD, provided that I don't have the *.deb packages and ..... my system got too many things to reinstall/reconfigure |
| 04:52.03 | Nyle | !debian clone |
| 04:52.03 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 04:52.14 | Nyle | !aptitude clone |
| 04:52.14 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 04:52.26 | wols_ | martianixor: 100%, you can use e.g. gparted |
| 04:52.55 | Nyle | wols_: how do you mean? |
| 04:53.12 | wols_ | say you want to go from end of disk to beginning |
| 04:53.20 | Nyle | ohh |
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| 04:53.23 | Nyle | is that what he is trying to do? |
| 04:53.27 | martianixor | Nyle: thanks I knew there must be something like that :-), I even used the terms "Debian snapshot instead +of reinstalling" in my search |
| 04:53.27 | Nyle | I thought he was .. nm |
| 04:53.32 | martianixor | Ooh ! |
| 04:53.37 | martianixor | didn't know gparted can do that ! |
| 04:53.38 | Nyle | wtf do you want man |
| 04:53.39 | wols_ | you enlarge the dbeian partition to use the whole disk (from start to finish) then resize it by cutting the end |
| 04:53.39 | Nyle | I am confused |
| 04:53.43 | wols_ | eh voila moved |
| 04:53.55 | Nyle | WHAT DUZ HE WNT! |
| 04:53.59 | wols_ | at least on the same disk. and no even reinstall |
| 04:54.06 | Nyle | :/ *scratch head* |
| 04:54.18 | wols_ | he wants to move the debian around on his hdd. different place |
| 04:54.23 | Nyle | wols_: no |
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| 04:54.30 | Nyle | look what he smiled at |
| 04:54.36 | wols_ | " getting same system on a different part of my HD," |
| 04:54.46 | wols_ | then he should describe it differently |
| 04:54.49 | Nyle | martianixor: dude what do you want to do? |
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| 04:55.03 | wols_ | and your way defnitely is a reinstall which he doesn't want |
| 04:55.07 | rouisk | hello |
| 04:55.08 | martianixor | Nyle: wols_ is right |
| 04:55.25 | wols_ | warpzero: backing up costs money |
| 04:55.27 | Nyle | or create hdd dumps |
| 04:55.29 | martianixor | I want to move my installation somewhere else on the same HD |
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| 04:55.30 | wols_ | you need lots of space somewhere |
| 04:55.34 | martianixor | HDD* |
| 04:55.46 | Nyle | use gparted |
| 04:55.53 | amphi | wols_: yes - the space you use for backing up normally ;) |
| 04:56.02 | Nyle | i thought he wanted to clone the same debian install to anothe partition |
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| 04:56.08 | wols_ | amphi: no one backs up. least of all home users |
| 04:56.13 | Nyle | i backup |
| 04:56.24 | Nyle | raid 50 |
| 04:56.24 | wols_ | Nyle: in that case you'd use dd and not what you describe :P |
| 04:56.29 | Aoshi | guys do you know a free vpn service for networking tests? |
| 04:56.32 | martianixor | wols_: what if I don't have the same space for the system to be backed up? |
| 04:56.35 | wols_ | raid is no backup |
| 04:56.42 | Nyle | wols_: dd dumps? |
| 04:56.45 | wols_ | martianixor: you don't need to. I told you how |
| 04:56.51 | Nyle | its called taking a dump |
| 04:56.53 | wols_ | Nyle: to clone the install |
| 04:56.55 | Nyle | no |
| 04:56.59 | martianixor | besides I still have vfat FS on my HDD cause I've never had a chance to backup the data there |
| 04:57.03 | martianixor | for 2 years now ! |
| 04:57.10 | Nyle | to clone w/e |
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| 04:57.32 | rouisk | excuse me guys, I've got a problem ^^; can't start the Xserver (xinit: Server error) anyone can help me please? |
| 04:57.49 | Nyle | rouisk: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:57.58 | martianixor | wols_: even with the vfat FS cause I'm not sure yet how the method you proposed is going to work? |
| 04:57.59 | wols_ | rouisk: pastbein your Xorg.0.log |
| 04:58.25 | wols_ | martianixor: the space you need must be free in a way. no other way |
| 04:58.40 | wols_ | !tell rouisk about paste |
| 04:59.01 | martianixor | wols_: :-) thanks |
| 04:59.32 | rouisk | wols_: I'm using irssi and don't even know how to change "windows" to see private messages ^^ |
| 04:59.55 | wols_ | rouisk: /window goto <number> |
| 04:59.58 | rouisk | Nyle: what exactely should I look for in the Xorg.0.log ? |
| 05:00.07 | rouisk | wols_: thanx |
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| 05:01.44 | rouisk | wols_: oh, well, how can I "paste" the log in those URLS without a www-browser ? |
| 05:01.56 | wols_ | you have www browsers |
| 05:01.56 | martianixor | rouisk: you can also use CTRL with N for next window tell you reach whichever window you'd like |
| 05:02.01 | wols_ | !tell rouisk pastewithoutx |
| 05:02.06 | wols_ | !tell rouisk about pastewithoutx |
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| 05:04.09 | martianixor | rouisk: till you reach whichever window you'd like I meant |
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| 05:04.58 | icesword | wols_, do you have x on your machine |
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| 05:06.49 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 05:07.05 | icesword | hi |
| 05:07.08 | [Nige] | can anyone give me some guidelines applying patches? |
| 05:07.46 | icesword | applying patches? |
| 05:08.07 | [Nige] | yep, I have downloaded the vista network patch but its not working |
| 05:08.25 | wols_ | icesword: ask a real question |
| 05:08.29 | icesword | what?you want to install vista |
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| 05:08.42 | [Nige] | its the following patch: vista_backup_acl.diff |
| 05:08.44 | wols_ | NigelS: what patch is this? |
| 05:08.52 | wols_ | for what and what does it do? |
| 05:09.02 | wols_ | [Nige]: ^^ |
| 05:09.07 | [Nige] | it allows vista clients to backup their files via the network |
| 05:09.14 | [Nige] | its a fix for a vista bug |
| 05:09.21 | icesword | wols_, is this chan only for support,if it is,just let it pass,and nerver mind |
| 05:09.24 | wols_ | answer my question |
| 05:09.37 | wols_ | for what package is this patch? |
| 05:09.42 | wols_ | and what did you do so far? |
| 05:09.44 | [Nige] | oh, samba |
| 05:09.50 | [Nige] | its a patch for samba |
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| 05:10.13 | wols_ | have you read the patch manpage? |
| 05:10.15 | killown | there is any visual tool to create a gtkrc without knowing the syntax of gtkrc? |
| 05:10.17 | [Nige] | i have downloaded the patch, patch -p0 -i vista_backup_acl.diff |
| 05:10.26 | [Nige] | then i get a message about which patch file to apply |
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| 05:10.55 | [Nige] | I have no on how to get it to apply |
| 05:11.02 | x|e | k i was just in here about my system locking up.. told me to do memtest86, i booted it up let it run through 4 times and passed all four... as far as it goes its only this kernel that seems to lock my pc up when under heavy load.. the default kernel gives me no problems |
| 05:11.10 | wols_ | usually it's patch -p #numnber < patchfile |
| 05:11.30 | wols_ | x|e: which kernel is this? |
| 05:11.39 | x|e | 2.6.24.2 |
| 05:11.41 | [Nige] | okay, I can try that |
| 05:11.50 | wols_ | x|e: you run sid, you get what you get |
| 05:11.56 | martianixor | Aoshi: if you have some free space why don't you try using virtual machine? |
| 05:12.07 | wols_ | x|e: why do you insist on this kernel? |
| 05:12.09 | martianixor | Aoshi: like virtualbox for one ... |
| 05:12.11 | [Nige] | |Index: samba-3.0.24/source/smbd/posix_acls.c |
| 05:12.11 | [Nige] | |=================================================================== |
| 05:12.11 | [Nige] | |--- samba-3.0.24.orig/source/smbd/posix_acls.c 2007-02-08 08:11:29.000000000 -0600 |
| 05:12.11 | [Nige] | |+++ samba-3.0.24/source/smbd/posix_acls.c 2007-02-08 08:12:02.000000000 -0600 |
| 05:12.12 | *** kick/#debian [[Nige]!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 05:12.20 | x|e | wols_, i compiled it myself didnt get it from apt |
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| 05:12.30 | wols_ | x|e: same applies: why? |
| 05:12.33 | [Nige] | sorry, I get that message when I run the patch |
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| 05:12.51 | wols_ | [Nige]: you get kicked from the channel |
| 05:12.53 | [Nige] | then it asks me which file to patch |
| 05:12.58 | [Nige] | wols_, yes |
| 05:13.00 | wols_ | we don't see anything |
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| 05:13.03 | [Nige] | pasting :( |
| 05:13.06 | [Nige] | okay |
| 05:13.15 | rouisk | Nyle: done ^^ just sent the file |
| 05:13.17 | x|e | wols_, compile for nvidia's proprietary drivers |
| 05:13.20 | [Nige] | okay i get the following message: |
| 05:13.24 | wols_ | x|e: that is no reason |
| 05:13.31 | [Nige] | |Index: samba-3.0.24/source/smbd/posix_acls.c |
| 05:13.32 | invsblduck | ...when all other channels go quiet, /join #debian ! |
| 05:13.39 | [Nige] | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.40 | wols_ | x|e: and nvidia.com drivers are not supported here either |
| 05:13.46 | [Nige] | |--- samba-3.0.24.orig/source/smbd/posix_acls.c 2007-02-08 08:11:29.000000000 -0600 |
| 05:13.57 | x|e | yes i understand this.. but that wasnt my problem |
| 05:14.03 | [Nige] | +++ samba-3.0.24/source/smbd/posix_acls.c 2007-02-08 08:12:02.000000000 -0600 |
| 05:14.12 | wols_ | x|e: use the stock kernel. bye |
| 05:14.17 | x|e | wols_, i was asking why my system would lock up |
| 05:14.23 | [Nige] | buggah |
| 05:14.31 | wols_ | x|e: ask the lkml. or use a debian kernel |
| 05:14.34 | x|e | wow... wols_ do you use stock kernel? |
| 05:15.01 | wols_ | x|e: no. but I don't ask about why my kernel crashes. it's not debian software it's not a #debian problem |
| 05:15.12 | wols_ | debian can only support software it actually distributes |
| 05:15.29 | wols_ | and you have no valid reason to use 2.6.24 (there are some, yours isn't) |
| 05:15.32 | x|e | ok well i figured someone here would help me |
| 05:15.39 | wols_ | good luck |
| 05:15.48 | x|e | but thanks anyway.. i will figure it out |
| 05:16.02 | [Nige] | any ideas about the samba patch? |
| 05:16.23 | invsblduck | i'm certainly entertained! |
| 05:16.55 | wols_ | invsblduck: do you have a debian related question? |
| 05:17.06 | rouisk | ^^# |
| 05:17.07 | Tramp | [Nige]: try "-p1" instead "-p0" |
| 05:17.13 | [Nige] | thanks tramp |
| 05:17.31 | [Nige] | Tramp, it still asks me which file to patch |
| 05:18.19 | Tramp | [Nige]: are you in the top-level directory (samba 3.0.24) when you try this? |
| 05:18.20 | rouisk | wols_: I pasted the log file under the name rouisk ^^; could you please help me ? |
| 05:18.26 | [Nige] | no |
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| 05:18.49 | wols_ | rouisk: not unless you give us the URL |
| 05:18.53 | Tramp | [Nige]: then go there |
| 05:18.54 | martianixor | rouisk: provide the link to the pastebin where you pasted |
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| 05:19.43 | [Nige] | which one, /etc/samba ; /usr/lib/samba? |
| 05:19.53 | invsblduck | wols_: let me think. No. But I have some praise: I use gentoo, so I just built a Debian cluster for distcc, and apt-proxy kicks ass! Go debian!! w00t |
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| 05:20.03 | Tramp | [Nige]: I mean cd into the top-level directory of the source |
| 05:20.06 | invsblduck | very cool |
| 05:20.11 | wols_ | invsblduck: if you can't be on topic: please be quiet |
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| 05:20.20 | rouisk | wols_: there is no indication how to get the URL out of w3m O_o |
| 05:20.23 | [Nige] | i dont think I have the source, I used apt-get to install samba |
| 05:20.27 | [Nige] | i didnt compile it from source |
| 05:20.45 | wols_ | Tramp: good luck, you will need it :P |
| 05:20.51 | Tramp | [Nige]: Brilliant. This is a patch for the source. So you have to recompile |
| 05:20.51 | Daejeo | i deleted the file apache-modconf by mistake . is ther any way to fix it? |
| 05:20.57 | [Nige] | ahh okay |
| 05:20.58 | [Nige] | thanks |
| 05:21.02 | Tramp | wols_: It never pays to ask details .... 8) |
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| 05:21.29 | wols_ | Daejeo: apache-modconf is a binary... |
| 05:21.35 | wols_ | Daejeo: reinstall the package it came in |
| 05:21.36 | rouisk | wols_: it's in the recent posts of "#debian.de past zone" |
| 05:22.04 | wols_ | rouisk: there is no paste.debian.de |
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| 05:22.31 | wols_ | and I don't know what they use as a "paste zone" in that channel either, but YOU know what url you pointed w3m to |
| 05:22.48 | leonardo | when this app www.spicebird.com will be in debian repo? |
| 05:23.06 | wols_ | !tell leonardo about wir |
| 05:23.08 | wols_ | !tell leonardo about siyh |
| 05:23.45 | rouisk | wols_: please try http://paste.debian.net/49816 |
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| 05:24.18 | rouisk | wols_: if it's actually named rouisk, then that's it |
| 05:25.32 | Ryan52 | How much space would a mirror of all of the etch, lenny, and sid packages take? (include main, contrib, non-free, and all of the corresponding sources) |
| 05:25.35 | wols_ | your X looks alright. is there a ~/*xserver* file in your ~? |
| 05:25.40 | wols_ | what WM do you use? |
| 05:25.51 | rouisk | gnome |
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| 05:27.01 | wols_ | use a lighter WM for testing and run startx |
| 05:27.23 | Ryan52 | nvm |
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| 05:27.34 | rouisk | wols_: how to do that ^^ |
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| 05:27.48 | Daejeo | wols: how do i install the package? |
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| 05:28.11 | Daejeo | apt-get install apache-modconf? |
| 05:28.44 | rouisk | I think I better reinstall the whole thing .. ^^ thank you anyway :) |
| 05:29.29 | Daejeo | wols_: how do i install the package? |
| 05:29.53 | Tramp | Ryan52: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 05:30.06 | wols_ | Daejeo: man apt-get |
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| 05:37.24 | gigo | hi |
| 05:38.02 | gigo | $ hcitool scan - gives -> Device is not available: No such device. What may be the problem? how can i fix it? |
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| 05:43.42 | Daejeo | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/915951 |
| 05:44.07 | Daejeo | how do I fix it? |
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| 05:47.09 | ryty | Daejeo: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=apache-modconf&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 05:47.25 | ryty | I think the local channel bot can do it too, but debian.org was easier to use. |
| 05:48.37 | wols_ | !tell Daejeo about bat |
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| 05:49.13 | wols_ | Daejeo: FULL output incl. commandline this time |
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| 05:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | gigo, probably the kernel module is not loaded |
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| 05:58.49 | crazyfrog | is there any download tool can download file through rtsp protocol?thanks! |
| 06:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rtsp |
| 06:00.04 | dpkg | well, rtsp is "real time streaming protocol". A minimal TCP and mostly UDP based protocol for transporting /real media/ content. Some packages can be found with "apt-cache search realplay" or "... rtsp". Tell supaplex if you know of/find a rtsp client that can save streams to disk. |
| 06:00.11 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, hi,mani am doing netinstall |
| 06:00.42 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, after i install base system,then i install x and gnome,is it ok |
| 06:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | crazyfrog, actually I think mplayer can do it... |
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| 06:01.52 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, ?why the name btw |
| 06:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell icesword about dibbler |
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| 06:03.19 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, did you read my question |
| 06:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, in an online ball-kinda game, I had the tendency to lose by missing just a tiny little bit on a generally nice move, so I considered the name fitting |
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| 06:04.02 | icesword | ic |
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| 06:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only question was "why the name" - all others were statements... |
| 06:04.22 | Seldaek | any difference between echo "foo" > file and echo "foo" >> file ? |
| 06:04.37 | Seldaek | >> appends maybe? |
| 06:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seldaek, yes |
| 06:04.47 | Seldaek | okay cool |
| 06:04.48 | Seldaek | thanks |
| 06:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seldaek, now the final test... suppose bash: foo 2> file |
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| 06:05.35 | Seldaek | err what? :) |
| 06:05.54 | Seldaek | append or create? |
| 06:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Seldaek, 100 points! that puts standard error into file |
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| 06:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | 100 points for the "err" ;) |
| 06:06.49 | Seldaek | hehe, okay:p |
| 06:06.59 | Seldaek | no need for that though |
| 06:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and icesword, you can install whatever you like :) |
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| 06:11.03 | crazyfrog | CutmeOwnThroat :how to use mplayer download rtsp ? |
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| 06:12.44 | crazyfrog | dpkg : supaplex is a package? |
| 06:12.45 | dpkg | ...but supaplex is already something else... |
| 06:13.11 | Nyle | !supaplex |
| 06:13.11 | dpkg | supaplex is, like, a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has atleast 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
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| 06:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | crazyfrog, install mplayer, man mplayer.... hm, and I actually forgot how to make mplayer write the stream to a file |
| 06:14.51 | crazyfrog | thanks |
| 06:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... -dumpstream -dumpfile |
| 06:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | crazyfrog, -dumpstream -dumpfile filename |
| 06:15.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | might or might not work with realplayer stuff... that was always a bit difficult |
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| 06:16.46 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, which repositry of debian? |
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| 06:16.56 | icesword | is radically fast |
| 06:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 06:20.09 | icesword | sorry for my english |
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| 06:23.27 | Supaplex | crazyfrog: you rang? ;) |
| 06:23.42 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, you know that apt has a source.lst,what site is fast |
| 06:24.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | use apt-spy |
| 06:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-spy |
| 06:24.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and ... |
| 06:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, hehe - no, you did... with the rtsp factoid... kind of |
| 06:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, I think mplayer can do it... |
| 06:26.11 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, thx |
| 06:28.51 | Supaplex | I modded that factoid ages ago. I totally forgot about it :) |
| 06:28.57 | Supaplex | !factinfo rtsp |
| 06:28.57 | dpkg | rtsp -- created by Supaplex <supaplex@c1172167-c.provo1.ut.home.com> at Thu Oct 4 20:02:05 2001 (2333 days); it has been requested 7 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 28m 53s ago. |
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| 06:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, time to update |
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| 06:37.23 | icesword | CutMeOwnThroat, how to tune the character display,no it is in wrong type,i mean it is not rightly displayed |
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| 06:39.53 | crazyfrog | CutMeOwnThroat :your method seems work,mplayer can play the file ,but with -dumpfile filename,i can not find the file |
| 06:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | crazyfrog, -dumpstream -dumpfile xx |
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| 06:41.26 | crazyfrog | -mplayer rtsp://169.229.131.16:554/classes/f2007/cs61a/20071015.rm -dumpfile /data1/machinestructure/20071015.rm |
| 06:41.44 | crazyfrog | it is right? |
| 06:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I told you twice you need the -dumpstream option also |
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| 06:43.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | read up on it in the manpages... |
| 06:44.51 | Veeve1 | I'm unable to connect to internet in Debian lenny. My connection uses DHCP. I can connect using Windows XP. Please help. |
| 06:45.31 | Xenguy | !dhcp |
| 06:45.31 | dpkg | well, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 06:45.37 | Xenguy | meh |
| 06:46.09 | Rat409 | !dhclient |
| 06:46.09 | dpkg | hmm... dhclient is if it doesn't work you usually forgot to enable some kernel options. dhclient writes to your logfiles what you have to activate. check syslog and messages after running dhclient, or the kernel options you need are config_filter and config_packet |
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| 06:59.32 | iateadonut | what is your favorite bit torrent client for debian? |
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| 07:05.14 | hoxu | iateadonut, what do you want, CLI or GUI? |
| 07:07.07 | iateadonut | either way. |
| 07:07.21 | iateadonut | actually, CLI would probably be best if i can support multiple torrents. |
| 07:07.31 | iateadonut | i was on mandriva before and using utorrent and wine. |
| 07:08.21 | hoxu | for CLI, try btdownloadcurses (bittornado?) or rtorrent |
| 07:08.57 | iateadonut | apt-cache search turns up like 10 clients. what's your favorite? |
| 07:09.23 | hoxu | that's not relevant, I use azureus :p |
| 07:09.44 | CrashSys | torrentflux |
| 07:10.00 | iateadonut | i could get torrentflux to work before. |
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| 07:10.42 | iateadonut | i'm installing rtorrent now. if i can't get it working, then i'll go for other suggestions... that's why. i think it's better to ask what is someone's favorite than to just grab one from apt-get. |
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| 07:15.20 | godwin2 | hi |
| 07:16.01 | godwin2 | how much space should i use vor /var/log on a webserver? |
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| 07:16.40 | ryty | godwin2: how much you got? |
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| 07:17.19 | godwin2 | df |
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| 07:29.28 | susanne-- | when updating a crontab in /etc/cron.d, is it necessary to run crontab (eg crontab [crontabfile]) for the changes to take effect? |
| 07:29.37 | techbie | hello all |
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| 07:29.48 | susanne-- | goobye. |
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| 07:31.25 | hoxu | susanne--, invoke-rc.d cron restart maybe, but not sure if that's needed... check the manual :) |
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| 07:32.21 | hoxu | susanne--, "Like /etc/crontab, the files in the /etc/cron.d directory are monitored for changes." |
| 07:32.38 | susanne-- | ty |
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| 07:33.01 | susanne-- | now i just get to wait for the fool thing to run. |
| 07:33.16 | godwin2 | what you think of this; http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3132/dsc09044qf3.jpg |
| 07:33.16 | godwin2 | ? |
| 07:33.34 | godwin2 | following screen: http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1986/dsc09045jj7.jpg |
| 07:34.04 | riot | godwin2: hmmmm.. it must be a partition table! |
| 07:34.14 | godwin2 | yes |
| 07:34.31 | riot | godwin2: and a german one. Fine! |
| 07:34.37 | susanne-- | i think i can't read german, but i don't see any particular problems with it. |
| 07:34.42 | godwin2 | i mean - is this config usefull? |
| 07:34.49 | hoxu | godwin2, if you are using LVM... you can grow ext3 partitions while they are online |
| 07:34.52 | riot | godwin2: useful for what?? |
| 07:35.07 | godwin2 | webserver |
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| 07:35.19 | riot | i never really saw any use for lvms. Though, my machines tend to be very hand-designed |
| 07:35.21 | hoxu | godwin2, if it's a high traffic webserver, are you sure you want to keep logs? |
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| 07:35.56 | godwin2 | not for everything |
| 07:35.59 | hoxu | riot, if you never saw any use for LVM, you must be either a genius or a magician :) |
| 07:36.23 | riot | hoxu: uh. Yeah. |
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| 07:36.35 | riot | hoxu: can't decide. ;) |
| 07:36.53 | hoxu | hmm, maybe dpkg can help |
| 07:36.54 | hoxu | !truth about riot |
| 07:36.55 | dpkg | riot is a liar! |
| 07:37.00 | hoxu | ~v~ |
| 07:37.02 | riot | pffft |
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| 07:37.31 | riot | !riot |
| 07:37.31 | dpkg | i guess riot is apt |
| 07:37.43 | susanne-- | at the top of an sh shell script, setting a variable is just "export VAR=blah" yes? |
| 07:37.53 | riot | :P |
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| 07:38.18 | hoxu | susanne--, if you want to export it too, yes, you might want quotes as well, also #bash :P |
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| 07:39.11 | susanne-- | hoxu, this isn't a complicated enough question to go to a dead channel and ask. :-/ |
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| 07:39.55 | hoxu | just FYI |
| 07:39.57 | riot | hoxu: that is a cheap cheat :p It's not even documented. |
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| 07:40.28 | hoxu | riot, what's not documented? |
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| 07:40.33 | susanne-- | and i don't want the variable to be defined beyond the execution of the script in any event. |
| 07:40.37 | riot | hoxu: !truth about |
| 07:40.38 | godling | Hello. |
| 07:40.45 | valdyn | susanne--: you dont need "export" |
| 07:40.48 | godling | \amethyst: Hey, did you get my "thank you" message earlier? |
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| 07:41.49 | simonrvn | riot: do you expect all the factoids to de documented? |
| 07:41.52 | simonrvn | be*' |
| 07:42.18 | hoxu | susanne--, export decides whether the child processes carry that variable or not, it's not possible to define a variable in a script that would persist past the execution of it (as in, parent process) |
| 07:42.21 | Nyle | hi |
| 07:42.43 | hoxu | simonrvn, I think they are, if you twist your eyes hard enough while staring at the binary logs of the database :P |
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| 07:43.04 | susanne-- | hoxu, in this situation, i believe i do want child processes to inherit. thus if i understand you correctly, export is warranted. |
| 07:43.06 | simonrvn | some sql magic shows them too |
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| 07:43.27 | gold44 | how to config static ip? ifconfig eth0 x.y.z.q, is what i did. when rebooted, ip is lost |
| 07:43.30 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 07:43.32 | ravenbird | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 07:43.37 | valdyn | susanne--: i think he sais "impossible" |
| 07:43.39 | hoxu | gold44, man 5 interfaces |
| 07:43.39 | godling | simonrvn: Sorry If I was snarky towards you earlier. |
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| 07:44.13 | Nyle | hes fine |
| 07:44.25 | hoxu | gold44, then ifup/ifdown to bring those up/down manually, and see the auto keyword for bringin them up at boot |
| 07:44.27 | Nyle | mr rvn of the simon is good |
| 07:44.44 | Nyle | hehe |
| 07:45.11 | hoxu | godling, don't worry, simonrvn forgives |
| 07:45.16 | hoxu | godling, once |
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| 07:45.58 | simonrvn | godling: no biggie |
| 07:46.21 | gold44 | hoxu: thx |
| 07:47.19 | riot | simonrvn: oh, is this a general factoid? |
| 07:47.27 | riot | simonrvn: i didn't know. |
| 07:47.56 | simonrvn | there's 21K + factoids, i don't know anyone who knows them all by heart |
| 07:48.15 | riot | simonrvn: oh, thats an easy one. Dpkg knows! :) |
| 07:48.38 | simonrvn | i meant humans ;) |
| 07:48.54 | riot | oh, uh, erm. *hurries away* gotta sleep ;) |
| 07:49.10 | riot | good night :) |
| 07:49.14 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 07:50.29 | susanne-- | http://admin.goldblatt.net/mrtg i guess the thing to do now is let it run for a few hours and see what the graphs show, eh? |
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| 07:51.41 | godling | yay, graphs |
| 07:51.48 | vyrus001 | anybody know the deb that solvs the intltoolize: dependancy? |
| 07:51.48 | hoxu | susanne--, you might also want to have a look at rrdtool and serverstats |
| 07:51.55 | vyrus001 | ive been trying to hours now |
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| 07:52.22 | valdyn | vyrus001: state the problem / error message |
| 07:52.30 | susanne-- | hoxu, in my next life. what i have is sufficient to my need :-) |
| 07:52.32 | icesword | dpkg, give me something about custome cd |
| 07:52.34 | vyrus001 | ./autogen.sh: line 43: intltoolize: command not found |
| 07:52.45 | valdyn | !tell vyrus001 -about search |
| 07:53.08 | hoxu | susanne--, that's what you think now... did I mention you can graph your local weather? ;) |
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| 07:53.28 | vyrus001 | valdyn: search dosnt yeald anything |
| 07:53.35 | valdyn | vyrus001: it does. |
| 07:53.56 | vyrus001 | ?! |
| 07:53.57 | susanne-- | hoxu, where i live, the weather forecast is generally pretty stable. Today, HOT! Tomorrow, HOT! Forecast for the rest of the week: Continuing HOT! with scattered occasional DAMN HOT! |
| 07:54.04 | valdyn | !search |
| 07:54.05 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 07:54.23 | icesword | dpkg, give me something about customcd |
| 07:54.27 | vyrus001 | apt-cache search intltoolize gave me nothin, i updatted and made sure to check sources |
| 07:54.32 | vyrus001 | hm |
| 07:54.42 | valdyn | vyrus001: are you one of those people who cant read the whole factoid? |
| 07:55.39 | vyrus001 | valdyn: does file not search local files but all files in the repo? |
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| 07:55.57 | godling | susanne--: It's supposed to be hot here, but it's been raining lately. |
| 07:55.58 | valdyn | vyrus001: you mean "apt-file" ? |
| 07:56.04 | hoxu | susanne--, but with graphing, you can check what the weather was like in the past ;) |
| 07:56.04 | vyrus001 | yes |
| 07:56.11 | valdyn | vyrus001: searches the whole repo |
| 07:56.15 | vyrus001 | i thought that only searched for info from a local file |
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| 07:56.19 | vyrus001 | ahhh ok |
| 07:56.24 | godling | susanne--: Which is kind of irritating. :) |
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| 07:57.00 | susanne-- | godling, i believe that god didn't mean for humans to get up before the crack of noon, nor go outside. ever. so the weather outside my door is really sorta irrelevant to me. if i can't do it over an ssh tunnel, i don't care. |
| 07:57.23 | icesword | how to costom cd of debian |
| 07:57.30 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 07:57.30 | dpkg | custom d-i is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 07:57.37 | susanne-- | however, my graphs aren't updating correctly, and now i get to go find out why. |
| 07:58.39 | valdyn | susanne--: why do you think its not updating correctly? |
| 07:59.11 | godling | Maybe God didn't mean for it to? |
| 07:59.16 | godling | ;P |
| 07:59.39 | susanne-- | valdyn, because when i click through to the detail graphs, the web page indicates the last update time. for example, the cpu graph was last updated at 1:39, although system time is now 1:59 and the cron is set to run every five minutes. |
| 07:59.51 | susanne-- | deduction: the cron is not running as i intend :-) |
| 07:59.57 | godling | Yay, dangling particles! |
| 08:00.01 | valdyn | susanne--: yep |
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| 08:00.14 | valdyn | 5 minutes sounds like you modified it |
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| 08:00.54 | valdyn | susanne--: i.e. paste location of script, ls -l /path/to/script and contents on a paste site |
| 08:01.03 | valdyn | susanne--: ( if you cant figure it out ) |
| 08:02.11 | susanne-- | in the crontab, i assume a leading space is an error? " */5 * * blah" rather than "*/5 * * blah". Would this cause it to fail? |
| 08:02.19 | valdyn | i forgot how mrtg works exactly, but maybe your only looking at the data-gathering script, not the picture generating one |
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| 08:03.46 | susanne-- | the error is, i believe, with the crontab. when i manually run the intended scripts, they update. (eg, cpu load detail now shows update at 2:02, which i just pushed). |
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| 08:04.42 | susanne-- | so. /etc/cron.d/mrtg: */5 * * * * /bin/run-parts /etc/cron.mrtg 1> /dev/null is that semi-correct? |
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| 08:05.04 | susanne-- | well i'll know in a sec. time for another run. |
| 08:05.16 | valdyn | susanne--: cron.mrtg is a directory? |
| 08:05.55 | susanne-- | yes. /etc/cron.mrtg is a directory that contains update scripts for each graph. I intend for every script to be run every five minutes, and to be able to add additional graphs later (and additional scripts) without having to jack with the crontab. |
| 08:06.29 | valdyn | susanne--: is there an additionl line after the one you pasted? |
| 08:06.36 | susanne-- | valdyn, no. |
| 08:06.42 | valdyn | susanne--: but there has to be one |
| 08:06.58 | valdyn | susanne--: can be empty, but its probably good habit to just # it |
| 08:07.25 | susanne-- | okay. added. is this some obscure bug in cron? |
| 08:07.51 | valdyn | susanne--: working as intended |
| 08:07.59 | valdyn | susanne--: for legacy reasons i guess |
| 08:08.17 | susanne-- | okay. well i'll know in about a minute and a half. |
| 08:09.30 | susanne-- | watching top is boring. |
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| 08:09.55 | susanne-- | guess god intended that too. |
| 08:09.58 | godling | I don't think so. |
| 08:10.04 | fignew | htop makes it fun! |
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| 08:10.40 | susanne-- | something else is wrong. they again did not run. grrr. |
| 08:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | susanne--, not boring! Meditative! |
| 08:11.08 | valdyn | susanne--: remove the output redirection and read the mail you are getting |
| 08:11.14 | godling | watching fsck is annoying. watching top is interesting. |
| 08:11.19 | valdyn | susanne--: or check "mail" if you arent already getting mail |
| 08:11.38 | gold44 | apple talk slowing down my boot process, how to turn it off at boot time? |
| 08:11.42 | susanne-- | gah. i have no idea where the mail might actually land. yay for procmail logs. |
| 08:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, you haven't anacron installed, do you? |
| 08:12.16 | valdyn | anacron doesnt stop cronjobs from being run |
| 08:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it might not do so in time... |
| 08:12.41 | valdyn | uh? |
| 08:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least I had that impressioin |
| 08:12.48 | valdyn | no |
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| 08:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know... it's only supposed to run them later if the computer is shut down |
| 08:13.03 | valdyn | anacron manages cronjobs that never ran due to system being off |
| 08:13.51 | susanne-- | i'm using whichever is the default cron. the man page is for vixie cron, /etc/crontab shows anacron. yay. |
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| 08:14.18 | valdyn | susanne--: only used if its actually there, see test -x |
| 08:14.28 | jim_p | hi |
| 08:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l |grep cron |
| 08:14.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep cron |
| 08:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
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| 08:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | not you, dpkg |
| 08:15.28 | susanne-- | cron 3.0pl1-103. |
| 08:15.59 | jim_p | can someone suggest me a good firewall (iptables frontend) to install? I used to have firestarter, but it causes something buggy and i want to replace it |
| 08:16.25 | susanne-- | manually running run-parts --test /etc/cron.mrtg does indicate that it would run my scripts if it were getting called right. so. mail. |
| 08:16.25 | gold44 | is there a user interface so i can select what to start and what not to start at boot time? |
| 08:16.36 | susanne-- | gold44, there are a number of them. |
| 08:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just a weird idea :) |
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| 08:17.25 | jim_p | gold44: boot up manager (bum for short, graphical app) or sysvconf (cli app) |
| 08:17.31 | susanne-- | happy birthday from defensive driving.com. yay. they remembered so they could spam me. :-( |
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| 08:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 08:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !run-parts |
| 08:18.01 | dpkg | somebody said run-parts was a way or running a directory full of scripts and is used on your /etc/cron.(daily,hourly,weekly) directories. Note that run-parts is picky about the names of the scripts and will silently ignore filenames that it doesn't like, in particular, run-parts ignores files with "." in them. See "man 8 run-parts" for more details. Also ask me about <cron>. |
| 08:18.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have scriptXXX.sh or scriptYYY.pl, do you? |
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| 08:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no... you said |
| 08:18.42 | susanne-- | as i said, run-parts --test /etc/cron.mrtg indicates it would run my scripts. |
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| 08:19.02 | dto | what does this mean during an apt-get dist-upgrade? E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf |
| 08:19.03 | dto | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes.. which indicates I should go to bed :) |
| 08:19.19 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:19.31 | susanne-- | my allstate agent also remembered my birthday so he, too, could spam me. how fun. |
| 08:19.47 | jim_p | goodmorning dimir |
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| 08:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. where do you live, where the weatherforcast is in the range between "hot" and "damn hot"? |
| 08:20.06 | cahoot | susanne--: is this a hint? |
| 08:20.22 | susanne-- | cahoot, that i need to shoot my allstate agent? yes. |
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| 08:21.45 | susanne-- | is there a way to configure the address cron sends to? |
| 08:21.55 | gold44 | jim_p: sysvconf is what i need. |
| 08:22.43 | Dewi | susanne--: rather than root? |
| 08:22.43 | susanne-- | dewi: yes. |
| 08:22.43 | Dewi | susanne--: why doesn't it belong with root's stuff? |
| 08:23.03 | susanne-- | Dewi, because long ago i set root's stuff to go into some hole somewhere and i don't remember where, and i don't really feel like digging through ten tons of email configuration to find it. |
| 08:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | susanne--, it's the user who runs cron // root ... you may change where roots mail is delivered in /etc/aliases |
| 08:23.14 | Dewi | susanne--: what I'm trying to say is, you can (should) redirect root's mail to where root will see it |
| 08:23.29 | susanne-- | Dewi, except that under most circumstances i don't want to see it. |
| 08:23.35 | Dewi | susanne--: alternatively, each user has a crontab, and I imagine the mail will go to that user |
| 08:24.14 | Dewi | susanne--: but you should probably test my assumption |
| 08:24.32 | Dewi | susanne--: a user edits its crontab with 'crontab -e' |
| 08:24.42 | susanne-- | dewi: i'm doing this as root. |
| 08:25.33 | Dewi | susanne--: urgh. well... I guess you can pipe stdout and stderr to mail -s 'cron output' user@anywhere.com |
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| 08:26.21 | dimir | susanne--: MAILTO=addr@foo.bar |
| 08:26.27 | Dewi | susanne--: oh, but doing so simply will probably always email you even when there's no output |
| 08:26.46 | susanne-- | dimir, in the crontab? |
| 08:27.01 | jim_p | !iptables |
| 08:27.01 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 08:27.06 | dimir | susanne--: yes |
| 08:27.09 | Dewi | dimir: handy! |
| 08:27.10 | dimir | susanne--: in any cron job |
| 08:27.24 | dimir | man cron | col -b | grep MAILTO -B1 -A1 |
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| 08:27.52 | susanne-- | ty. i'll send it to my gmail address i use for such noise. hrm. |
| 08:27.57 | icesword | !gnome-core |
| 08:28.00 | dimir | no problemo ;) |
| 08:28.46 | Dewi | susanne--: if root is emailing you a lot... you have problems of some kind |
| 08:29.02 | Dewi | susanne--: or you're running one of those 'spam me to death' packages |
| 08:29.28 | susanne-- | Dewi, 99% of it is from mailer-daemon. that shit gets sent straight to /dev/null. |
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| 08:31.07 | gold44 | jim_p: sysvconf is not on my system. and bum command not found. anything else in my system i can use? or must i install? |
| 08:31.25 | valdyn | gold44: "mv" or "chmod" |
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| 08:36.01 | gold44 | valdyn: that's not good. chmod, but which files? |
| 08:36.19 | gold44 | want to prevent apple talk to load at boot time |
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| 08:38.01 | valdyn | gold44: mv /etc/init.d/<file> /etc/init.d/file.inactive |
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| 08:38.41 | susanne-- | okay, this cronjob should have run a couple times with the MAILTO inserted and did not do so. now where do i go? |
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| 08:40.14 | valdyn | gold44: sysvconf and bum are crap on a debian system, i dont have a fucking clue though as to why they keep being recommended |
| 08:42.36 | mbroeker | gold44, maybe echo "blacklist appletalk" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 08:44.20 | gold44 | mbroeker: haha |
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| 08:44.37 | gold44 | valdyn: sysvconf is good on fedora-ish system |
| 08:45.04 | mbroeker | gold44, i have no time for trolls. |
| 08:46.13 | gold44 | mbroeker: i am not trolling. |
| 08:46.55 | streuner | !listvals rcconf |
| 08:46.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rcconf' by value (8): rcconf sarge ;; sysv-rc ;; services ;; update-rc.d ;; rcconf ;; sysv-rc-conf ;; red hat tools ;; runlevel. |
| 08:47.53 | streuner | !red hat tools |
| 08:47.53 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; etc |
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| 08:52.53 | susanne-- | okay i'm still unable to get this crontab to run. i've got a crontab in /etc/cron.d/mrtg (a file), thus (edited from last time): * * * * * /etc/cron.mrtg/traffic ... but it doesn't run Running the script manually produces the expected result. With MAILTO=somevalidaddresshere in the crontab, I get no emails either. |
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| 08:55.30 | godwin2 | how can i know the name of md0 or md1? |
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| 08:55.41 | godwin2 | or how can i see the size of md0? md1? |
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| 09:05.05 | andrej__ | hello |
| 09:05.43 | andrej__ | can somebody tell me why certain keys on my keyboard stopped working ? and how can i fix that ? |
| 09:05.53 | andrej__ | what could be wrong ? |
| 09:05.58 | andrej__ | clear |
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| 09:09.06 | Coke | I'm on Testing, just upgraded Psi and the Qt4 libraries it depends on. I also upgraded the Qt TLS plugin (libqca and qca-tls), but Psi says there's now SSL plugin available. Is there an easy way to fix this? Psi version is 0.11-3, Qt4 is 4.3.3-2 and qca-tls is 1.0-4. |
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| 09:09.32 | Coke | (this worked up until Psi and Qt4 was upgraded) |
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| 09:10.47 | susanne-- | so the problem was ... there's a user field in crontabs in /etc/cron.d and i had the script name in that field. |
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| 09:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | susanne--, nice |
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| 09:13.44 | susanne-- | is there a way to change how often mrtg updates its graphs? |
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| 09:16.42 | icesword | !sudo |
| 09:16.42 | dpkg | i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 09:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I thought I could try an ebook from here http://www.baen.com/library/ - apart from html, which format would be easiest to use? (PDF is pretty nice for reading on-screen with scale to width and continuous view in xpdf, but it's not an option) |
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| 09:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell icesword about msg the bot |
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| 09:26.27 | unlink | when i run sudo -i, /usr/sbin is not in my path, but when i run sudo -s, it is. |
| 09:26.57 | unlink | this is on debian etch |
| 09:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is Ebookwise/Rocket Format Mobipocket/Palm/Kindle Format RTF Format Microsoft Reader Format ... and dpkg doesn't seem to know about any of them - or even about ebook |
| 09:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you failed me |
| 09:27.12 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | unlink, you're aware that what you said was not a question, I guess :) |
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| 09:30.45 | Coke | The Debian Testing Psi package is broken, it depends on qca-tls 1.0, but in REALITY the latest Psi in Debian Testing requires qca-tls 2.0. I'm trying to install it manually via sources, but trying to remove libqca2 will also remove psi. Is there any way I can make Debian remove libqca2 without removing Psi? |
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| 09:32.28 | unlink | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i realize. |
| 09:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Coke, a) use the bts to report the bug if you are sure, b) I think the simplest thing to do would be to get the source package, fix the dependencies and install that package... |
| 09:33.09 | unlink | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm fairly confident that most people in the channel understand my intentions nonetheless |
| 09:33.18 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: already reported. |
| 09:33.37 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: but I need Psi to work now, I cannot access any of my regular servers, they all use SSL. |
| 09:33.52 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm thinking of removing the Psi package and building Psi from source. |
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| 09:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Coke, did you read what I wrote above? |
| 09:34.09 | Coke | Now it's not broken OR outdated, now it's broken because it's outdated. :) |
| 09:34.20 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah yeah, sure "fix" the dependencies. |
| 09:34.34 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: how are dependencies "fixed"? |
| 09:34.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just change the file in hm, debian/rules, I think |
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| 09:35.40 | unlink | what's a file that gets changed very often on a debian system? |
| 09:35.42 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: problem is that what should I make it depend on? There's no qca-tls 2.0 available in Testing. |
| 09:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never had to do it yet... but I'd just look in the debian directory in the files for what looks like the dependencies (that apt-cache show package show) - or grep for them |
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| 09:36.38 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: actualy, I might be able to get away with only installing qca-tls from source. |
| 09:36.41 | valdyn | unlink: is that a trick question? |
| 09:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Coke, you can either remove the dependency, or build your own package of qca-tls 2.0 (with whatever name you wish) ... have a look at checkinstall for that (although that doesnt work perfectly) |
| 09:36.47 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: seems like the other dependencies are in order. |
| 09:36.54 | unlink | valdyn: no |
| 09:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | unlink, /var/log/messages |
| 09:37.17 | unlink | good thinking |
| 09:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | did I win something? |
| 09:37.42 | unlink | i'd say about .25 brownie points |
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| 09:37.59 | unlink | however they are only redeemable in whole quantities greater than 100 |
| 09:38.19 | Coke | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, it worked fine with just providing qca-tls 2.0 via sources. |
| 09:38.40 | Coke | The whole point of upgrading Psi was to see if they've finally added a "block user" function, alas they have not. |
| 09:38.57 | unlink | Coke: there are changelogs as well |
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| 09:39.15 | Coke | This means Psi is vulnerable to ye olde spam bomb. |
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| 09:39.44 | Coke | Maybe someone can suggest a replacement Jabber client that has a block feature? |
| 09:40.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | unlink, I am reconsidering in partaking any further of your quizzes... |
| 09:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... untile the price money is rised... |
| 09:41.19 | susanne-- | i can't imagine that pidgin can't block things. |
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| 09:42.51 | unlink | CutMeOwnThroat: each correct answer is worth exponentially more |
| 09:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | so.. any idea about which of those ebook formats above could be most useful either for transfer to pdf or for an ebook reader that is in debian (and that I just haven't seen yet) |
| 09:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | unlink, dangerous :) |
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| 09:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | unlink, remember the story about the guy whose only wish for reward was... the money that results from 1 pence on field 1 of a check-board, 2 pence on field 2, 4 pence on field 3....until every field is used |
| 09:46.23 | unlink | CutMeOwnThroat: (it's only marketing hype, really. score n = 1.01 * score (n-1)) |
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| 09:47.06 | nadar | hello |
| 09:47.24 | unlink | CutMeOwnThroat: (you have to answer a lot of questions correct to reap the exponential gains.) |
| 09:47.57 | nadar | i want to dl debian via bittorrent, but the only working one is debian-update-4.0r3-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 09:48.43 | nadar | with debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent to DEV-3 i get "Error: wrong Parametre" |
| 09:49.01 | nadar | s/wrong/invalid |
| 09:49.53 | nadar | s/DEV/DVD :( |
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| 09:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/Parametre/parameter/ |
| 09:51.32 | chemist | is there anyway I can see what options the kernel was compiled with? |
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| 09:52.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in /boot/config-´uname -r´ |
| 09:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting... I remember from other distros, that a copy of the kernel config would also be created in /proc - but such a file doesn't seem to exist in Debian |
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| 09:54.31 | SL | hello |
| 09:55.10 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: configurable - look in the file you mentioned above |
| 09:56.14 | nadar | *shrug* so i'll go DL via http. got enough others to seed ;/ |
| 09:56.17 | mbroeker | CutMeOwnThroat, i like this feature ... zcat /proc/config.gz ... |
| 09:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, I just wonder why it's switched off - did the debian maintainer of the kernel package just feel it's not needed because the config in /boot? ... still, it wouldnt really cost anything as such, right? |
| 09:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps a bit of memory... |
| 09:57.20 | SL | I have a strange problem with aptitude. It seems to install additional packages, which are not necessary to fulfill the dependencies of a certain package. When I want to install gimp it wants to install portmap, deborphan? see http://hpaste.org/5856 |
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| 09:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 09:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why not aptitude |
| 09:58.01 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 09:58.37 | wols_ | SL: disable the recommends and suggested inside aptitude |
| 09:58.41 | wols_ | it's in the options |
| 09:58.57 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: not apt-get has the same "feature" by default at least in sid. probably lenny by now |
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| 09:59.09 | wols_ | but with apt-get it's harder to disable |
| 09:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
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| 09:59.56 | SL | sorry, forgot to mention, I have set Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false"; and Aptitude::Keep-Suggests "false"; |
| 10:00.05 | nix_chix0r | would it kill debian to update ethernet drivers |
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| 10:00.12 | nix_chix0r | so it detects for the netinstall |
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| 10:00.45 | nix_chix0r | now i remember why i dont ever use it |
| 10:01.07 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: yes it would |
| 10:01.16 | wols_ | !tell nix_chix0r about kmuto |
| 10:01.30 | wols_ | there was talk about "etch and a half" but so far that's loooong overdue) |
| 10:02.01 | nix_chix0r | hmm |
| 10:02.15 | nix_chix0r | all i know is that i've never been able to do the darn net install:p |
| 10:02.19 | wols_ | debian would have to ship a new kernel and new versions is the one thing stable doesn't do |
| 10:02.35 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: use kmuto unless ALL your hardware existed before stable was frozen |
| 10:02.36 | wols_ | only way |
| 10:02.44 | SL | wols_, I have disabled Recommends and Suggests already. Btw apt-get wants to install the same packages |
| 10:02.55 | wols_ | !tell SL about bat |
| 10:03.12 | nix_chix0r | lol wols_ it hasnt worked for me for years |
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| 10:03.40 | nix_chix0r | and i'm trying to find something to replace ubuntu on this laptop that doesn't have a cd drive either so i'm using flash drive |
| 10:03.43 | nix_chix0r | slackware just hangs |
| 10:04.13 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: what hardware? |
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| 10:05.00 | SL | wols_, ok, http://hpaste.org/5858 and http://hpaste.org/5856 |
| 10:05.01 | nix_chix0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.31 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: EEEK! |
| 10:05.58 | nix_chix0r | broadcom is the suck |
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| 10:07.08 | nix_chix0r | friend says it uses a tg3 driver |
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| 10:08.10 | wols_ | SL: you haven't disabled your recommends properly |
| 10:08.11 | xingu | nix_chix0r: seems to be yep. |
| 10:08.31 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: afaik he is right and sometimes you get big problems with it :( |
| 10:08.39 | wols_ | try kmuto's installer. best bet |
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| 10:09.02 | SL | wols_, I have set my apt.conf to http://hpaste.org/5859 |
| 10:09.06 | SL | wols_, whats missing? |
| 10:09.18 | wols_ | SL: go in your aptitude and disable it in the menu |
| 10:09.20 | nix_chix0r | i wish debian would be friendlier to me |
| 10:09.30 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: debian is very friendly |
| 10:09.35 | wols_ | #debian however... |
| 10:09.39 | nix_chix0r | to my hardware! |
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| 10:10.49 | SL | wols_, I already unmarked "Install recommended packages automatically" |
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| 10:11.54 | wols_ | sl cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99recommend |
| 10:11.55 | wols_ | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 10:11.57 | cmanns | Would a cpu around 75c cause slowdowns? |
| 10:12.02 | wols_ | is what I use but with apt-get |
| 10:12.13 | wols_ | cnwdup: depends on the CPU type |
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| 10:13.22 | enouf | add 'APT::Install-Recommends=False;' to /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 10:13.49 | Cromag | bah... |
| 10:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonderful... |
| 10:14.06 | cmanns | wols_, you mean cmanns? lol |
| 10:14.14 | Cromag | we thank quux for spamming. |
| 10:14.37 | ErrantEgo | Cromag: except thats not the real quux |
| 10:14.40 | cmanns | Anyways it's a socket 939 opteron 165 |
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| 10:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | why didn't he get kicked after line 4... must have been too slow :( |
| 10:15.05 | wols_ | cmanns: why is it so hot? |
| 10:15.17 | Cromag | ErrantEgo: well, i believe that quux is another decent person normaly. This one just wasnt that decent. |
| 10:15.17 | cmanns | Shit 2u case :-D |
| 10:15.29 | wols_ | cmanns: that's not really a reason imho |
| 10:15.43 | cmanns | I think the temp is the problem, whenever my server is under high constant load it starts to run funny |
| 10:15.51 | SL | wols_, I have created 99recommend in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d with content "APT::Install-Recommends "false";" |
| 10:15.54 | ErrantEgo | Cromag: well, just look at his host...the fact that moron didnt have a freenode staff host was a red flag from the get-go |
| 10:16.07 | wols_ | SL: again: use apt-get, not aptitutde |
| 10:16.14 | wols_ | apt-get update first too |
| 10:16.17 | SL | wols_, now aptitude gui calculates fewer dependencies |
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| 10:16.27 | wols_ | and check if those suggests aren't already installed so it'd need to upgrade them |
| 10:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might have been the "real quux" - this looked like an error at least |
| 10:16.44 | cmanns | I was just maybe using 50-100% of 1 cpu on avg, php started lagging more and more, now im doing maybe 20% on avg and the temp is 70c roughly |
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| 10:17.08 | wols_ | cmanns: check AMD specs for the CPU. it tells you max temps |
| 10:17.26 | wols_ | cmanns: also, temp via diode or via sensors outside? |
| 10:17.52 | cmanns | I herd cpu's run slower near the max temp threshold, temp via diode I assume, I'm using "sensors" to output it. |
| 10:18.12 | xingu | wols_: any idea if the debian tg3 has been tinkered with to remove the tg3Tso... firmware blob? |
| 10:18.18 | xingu | wols_: 5705m _needs_ it. |
| 10:18.21 | SL | wols_, I tought aptitude is a much superior package tool than apt-get |
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| 10:18.33 | oaisdhf | kurtism |
| 10:18.36 | wols_ | xingu: not etch yet that's for sure. no clue otherwise |
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| 10:18.45 | wols_ | !tell SL about why aptitude |
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| 10:19.33 | SL | wols_, I know that and thats the reason why I want to use aptitude. removal of unneeded packages |
| 10:20.00 | wols_ | SL: apt-get can do that too now |
| 10:20.11 | wols_ | auto-remove |
| 10:21.12 | at561 | how do i use apt-get to update a particular package without changing the package's status to something other than autoinstalled |
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| 10:24.08 | putridp | is it feasible to set up a software RAID 1 array with 2 external harddrives? (for low volume home use) |
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| 10:24.39 | xingu | wols_: do you have an etch kernel source installed anywhere within arms reach? drivers/net/tg3.c: tg3TsoFwText is what we'd be looking for |
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| 10:24.52 | l_lama | Hi all. Could someone point me - which video player in linux could utilize SMP for video decoding ? |
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| 10:25.00 | xingu | wols_: sorry to be a pain in the butt, but I'm curious now and caught short without my usual nest around me |
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| 10:27.08 | _have_no_nick_ | wouldn't it be cool if we had a program that knows the optins of every program and gives us the possibility to set/edit defaults. In a uniform way for every program. Not like now ENV variables and shell scripts |
| 10:27.21 | Asmooh | zondag >( |
| 10:27.35 | _have_no_nick_ | wouldn't it be cool if we had a program that knows the options of every program and gives us the possibility to set/edit defaults. In a uniform way for every program. Not like now ENV variables and shell scripts |
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| 10:28.54 | _have_no_nick_ | wouldn't it be cool if we had a program that knows the options of every program and gives us the possibility to set/edit defaults. In a uniform way for every program. Not like now ENV variables and shell scripts |
| 10:29.31 | _have_no_nick_ | anybody awake? |
| 10:30.30 | Guerin | _have_no_nick_: no, that would not be cool. |
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| 10:31.04 | xingu | _have_no_nick_: sounds like a gigantic interlock in the making to me; how would it stay current? |
| 10:31.12 | _have_no_nick_ | wouldn't it be cool if we had a program that knows the options of every program and gives us the possibility to set/edit defaults. In a uniform way for every program. Not like now ENV variables and shell scripts |
| 10:31.13 | Guerin | answer: it wouldn't |
| 10:31.25 | _have_no_nick_ | well |
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| 10:31.29 | _have_no_nick_ | that's the best part |
| 10:31.33 | Guerin | !ops _have_no_nick_ seems to be a trollbot |
| 10:31.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: _have_no_nick_ seems to be a trollbot |
| 10:31.47 | _have_no_nick_ | it can be done almost transparent for the app in its current way |
| 10:31.57 | RichiH | _have_no_nick_: please stop |
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| 10:32.05 | _have_no_nick_ | listen |
| 10:32.11 | _have_no_nick_ | it's so simple it's funny |
| 10:32.13 | troubled | grrr |
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| 10:32.32 | _have_no_nick_ | now we have libgetopt right |
| 10:32.35 | enouf | xingu: would it help if i d/l and install it and get it for you? :-) |
| 10:32.45 | xingu | enouf: nah it's not worth that much :) |
| 10:33.03 | xingu | enouf: another 30min or so and I'll be done here anyway |
| 10:33.04 | kloeri | _have_no_nick_: why don't you start a new project if it's that simple? |
| 10:33.09 | enouf | heh - well, i like nix_chix0r a bit - she's a groupie of mine somewhat ;-) |
| 10:33.40 | _have_no_nick_ | i rewrite it so that it has a stupid simple extra option give me uniform info of options and help |
| 10:33.41 | troubled | kloeri: why do I get the feeling you are talking to a wall atm :/ |
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| 10:33.54 | _have_no_nick_ | i can parse it easy and diplay it |
| 10:34.03 | kloeri | no idea but I like talking to walls |
| 10:34.04 | Ganneff | Hadaka: now, do you have something for topic (which is debian )? |
| 10:34.06 | _have_no_nick_ | then save it |
| 10:34.06 | xingu | enouf: if you're keen, looking for a direct patch to the source itself, or, a debian patch to it that strips out the firmware blobs; a proxy for this would be comparing sizes of tg3.ko between a strict kernel.org kernel build and the debianised version |
| 10:34.08 | Ganneff | err |
| 10:34.13 | Ganneff | _have_no_nick_: now, do you have something for topic (which is debian )? |
| 10:34.17 | _have_no_nick_ | no it is in topic |
| 10:34.19 | Ganneff | Hadaka: sorry, go to sleep again. |
| 10:34.20 | nix_chix0r | enouf, you think i'm your groupie? |
| 10:34.21 | enouf | xingu: i happen to have some .22-x debian source here - no help? |
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| 10:34.27 | _have_no_nick_ | it's the way you interact with your os |
| 10:34.28 | enouf | nix_chix0r: shush hon ;-) |
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| 10:34.45 | nix_chix0r | k |
| 10:34.55 | nix_chix0r | i'm donwloading fedora |
| 10:34.56 | enouf | !kiss nix_chix0r |
| 10:34.57 | Ganneff | _have_no_nick_: thats not on topic here. this is debian and helping users with problems. not developing something. so please go elsewhere. |
| 10:34.58 | nix_chix0r | not sure why |
| 10:35.04 | nix_chix0r | awww |
| 10:35.07 | xingu | nix_chix0r: just out of interest does dmesg say anything about uploading firmware - in relation to your bcm5705m? |
| 10:35.12 | xingu | get a room |
| 10:35.28 | nix_chix0r | xingu, i'm pretty sure broadcom is just lame |
| 10:35.29 | enouf | it was a friendly peck! ;-) |
| 10:35.29 | _have_no_nick_ | then a second chante in getopt when called to parse the args it'll load all the defaults also |
| 10:35.33 | nix_chix0r | i'm not even worried about it now |
| 10:35.44 | nix_chix0r | i know there is a driver for it though |
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| 10:36.25 | xingu | nix_chix0r: it's an interesting design, it's remarkable that it ended up in consumer gear; the tg3 driver is the right one, but the quirk about 5705m is that it's useless in its poweron state (I think it has no flash memory for its microcode) |
| 10:36.38 | enouf | xingu: i doubt i even built that module with my .22-x debian build, so sowwy |
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| 10:36.59 | xingu | nix_chix0r: ... so it needs it to be poked in during init; tg3 will do that, if it's recent enough and hasn't been butchered so that it won't |
| 10:37.13 | unlink | oh that's annoying, if you stop `nginx` before removing it, you can never remove the package without reinstalling |
| 10:37.31 | SL | why is aptitude influenced by APT configuration? like APT::Install-Recommends? arent they different system? |
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| 10:37.52 | xingu | nix_chix0r: in terms of the _hardware_ there's no flies on it; it's a tidy little net engine with _split_ rx and tx processors |
| 10:38.02 | icesword | what is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel?i am using debian now |
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| 10:38.33 | unenough | hi, how do i mark a package as NOT held back? |
| 10:38.37 | xingu | nix_chix0r: it's the sort of thing you'd want to put into switch fabric modules or gigE switch-router line cards |
| 10:38.40 | unenough | it is marked as hel |
| 10:38.42 | unenough | held |
| 10:38.54 | danand | SL - aptitude is a front end to apt - ncurses based gui and command line |
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| 10:39.12 | icesword | what is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel?i am using debian now |
| 10:39.21 | nix_chix0r | appriciate the help but i think i will pass on debian yet again. figured i'd give it one more try maybe i just like my things to work with out putzing with it so much |
| 10:39.26 | unlink | oh no, you simply cannot remove nginx. |
| 10:39.27 | nix_chix0r | appreciate* |
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| 10:39.41 | TASAIRES | Hello from Spain, And From Debian Etch (4,0r2) i386. Now i are Playing to Counter Strike (with gl Hardware Acceleration), on my Steam Client fo Windows ON Wine-HQ. |
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| 10:39.52 | TASAIRES | ;) |
| 10:40.17 | nix_chix0r | whos to say in another ten years it'll work out of the box;) |
| 10:40.18 | xingu | nix_chix0r: I'm intrigued enough to look at your dmesg if you've got the time to dump it/ pastebin it; otherwise, don't worry |
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| 10:40.32 | SL | danand, but then why has aptitude its own Recommends configuration? |
| 10:40.35 | nix_chix0r | for debian? |
| 10:40.48 | xingu | nix_chix0r: yup; in the booted-but-no-networking case. |
| 10:40.49 | nix_chix0r | i couldn't get past the install becuase the network issue hehe |
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| 10:41.27 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: that is wrong |
| 10:41.28 | xingu | nix_chix0r: heh ok; it's doable (switch to text console, mount a usb stick, etc) |
| 10:41.30 | unlink | how do i remove nginx? |
| 10:41.33 | wols_ | debian netinst isntalls fully without network |
| 10:41.45 | danand | SL - ?? No idea :) |
| 10:41.59 | nix_chix0r | wols_, then perpahs i was getting other user errors basically it just didnt' like what was in this craptop |
| 10:42.04 | wols_ | nix_chix0r: the only time you can't finish the install without network is the businesscard install |
| 10:42.22 | icesword | wols_, what is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel?i am using debian now |
| 10:42.22 | antoniojulio | hi channel , i find a free software based in java for admin helpdesk, include in mail and web tomcat, do you help me? what is the name? please |
| 10:42.28 | wols_ | granted it's a bare bones debian install with netinst without net but it is a full debian |
| 10:42.29 | enouf | (which is much smaller, atleast 2/3 so) |
| 10:42.31 | nix_chix0r | i know i shouldn't drink and install either |
| 10:42.38 | lkthomas | guys, does debian got anything like suse YaST ? |
| 10:42.40 | enouf | in most cases |
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| 10:42.44 | wols_ | icesword: dpkg -L <package> |
| 10:42.58 | wols_ | in your case <package> id the linux-header package oyu installed |
| 10:43.04 | wols_ | lkthomas: no |
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| 10:43.06 | icesword | wols_, i am installing vmware tools now |
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| 10:43.13 | danand | icesword - try /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 10:43.21 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 10:43.23 | wols_ | lkthomas: there is debconf for each package you install and there are tons of apt frontends |
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| 10:43.35 | lkthomas | hehe |
| 10:43.35 | icesword | sorry,/usr/src is bland |
| 10:43.37 | icesword | blank |
| 10:43.44 | lkthomas | I think YaST do a lot more than that |
| 10:43.49 | wols_ | unlink: U diBt care what you install, I told where to get what you asked for |
| 10:44.01 | wols_ | lkthomas: I told you : no |
| 10:44.12 | TASAIRES | icesword, VirtualBox Is Free, and give the most part to VMWare fuctions |
| 10:44.15 | wols_ | icesword: install the headers |
| 10:44.18 | lkthomas | hehe , ok |
| 10:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | thank god, no :) |
| 10:44.47 | icesword | wols_, sir if download headers is must,what version of linux headers should i download |
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| 10:45.00 | icesword | TASAIRES, thank you sir |
| 10:45.05 | wols_ | the one that match your kernel |
| 10:45.10 | enouf | icesword: dpkg -l linux-headers-* | grep ^.i |
| 10:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think yast was the reason why I so desperatly wanted to leave suse ... oh so many years ago |
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| 10:45.51 | icesword | wols_, sorry |
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| 10:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, m'm? :) |
| 10:46.25 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: you wanna see my glorious tits? |
| 10:46.51 | clone_ | wols_, you are a woman? with glorious tits no less? |
| 10:46.54 | enouf | m'am you mean? |
| 10:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, dunno... are they scary? |
| 10:47.28 | wols_ | very |
| 10:47.48 | icesword | enouf, didnot find any match |
| 10:47.54 | TASAIRES | icesword, follow the instrution to Debian from www.virtualbox.org for install virtualbox, there 2 Version one is OSE (Open Source Edition), the other Not, Install the Not OSE version |
| 10:47.55 | cmanns | did somebody say tits? |
| 10:47.58 | wols_ | !tell icesword about installit |
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| 10:48.17 | enouf | icesword: then none are installed |
| 10:48.33 | icesword | enouf, what to do then |
| 10:48.33 | TASAIRES | icesword, that is most complet version that OSE |
| 10:48.34 | wols_ | TASAIRES: he installs debian inside the VM |
| 10:48.39 | enouf | you can use apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 10:48.48 | enouf | for your running kernels' headers |
| 10:48.57 | icesword | yeah |
| 10:49.05 | icesword | i will do it now,is it big |
| 10:49.09 | TASAIRES | am, VirtualBox is a VM, multi - OS |
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| 10:49.23 | _Shade_ | hi there |
| 10:49.32 | wols_ | TASAIRES: yes but a howto for installing it in dbeian won't help when he probably runs windows as a host OS |
| 10:49.47 | icesword | TASAIRES, thank you for advice though,i am just working this vm tools |
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| 10:50.08 | unlink | wols_: ? |
| 10:50.18 | enouf | icesword: $ apt-cache show linux-headers-`uname -r` , then "/msg dpkg apt howto" |
| 10:50.22 | _Shade_ | i have no sound on my Toshiba satellite pro 4300 laptop. Can you help me? |
| 10:50.22 | icesword | TASAIRES, if install vm tools is easy in that,i will think about it |
| 10:50.39 | antoniojulio | in my box have windows xp, and have a iso debian testing, my box have a two harddisk, is possible install linux with no record anyone dvd,? is possible with virtual box software? |
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| 10:50.49 | TASAIRES | wols_, I have Double OS on my compute, Debian and Windows, And I have Innotek VirtualBox on Both Perfect Install On Both |
| 10:50.53 | enouf | !tell Shade -about latop |
| 10:50.59 | enouf | !+tell Shade -about laptop |
| 10:50.59 | icesword | thx |
| 10:51.00 | dpkg | told Shade about laptop. |
| 10:51.01 | icesword | wols_, |
| 10:51.08 | wols_ | icesword, |
| 10:51.21 | unlink | RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded |
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| 10:51.34 | _Shade_ | the sound device is YMF 744B |
| 10:51.48 | wols_ | _Shade_: I doubt that |
| 10:51.53 | TASAIRES | wols_, on Linux i use VirtualBox to not install any app on Wine, and use Real OS Windows Xp on vm |
| 10:51.55 | wols_ | _Shade_: what does lspci say? |
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| 10:52.23 | wols_ | TASAIRES: just drop it if you have no clue what's going on. please |
| 10:52.30 | enouf | antoniojulio: do you mean " is possible install linux without burning a dvd, and using the ISO only?" ?? |
| 10:52.38 | _Shade_ | wols_: 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller] (rev 02) |
| 10:52.54 | wols_ | _Shade_: check alsa-project.org then |
| 10:52.58 | enouf | antoniojulio: i don't know - i think Qemu can do that, not sure though about others |
| 10:53.21 | wols_ | hd-media install |
| 10:53.25 | _Shade_ | wols_: you mean i should install some packages? |
| 10:53.37 | antoniojulio | enouf: i need install linux in second hard-disk without record a dvd? is possible? please |
| 10:53.45 | enouf | !+tell Shade -about which driver |
| 10:53.45 | dpkg | told Shade about which driver. |
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| 10:53.52 | icesword | enouf, i did that last command ,it said didn't find any pack match 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 10:54.10 | enouf | icesword: apt-get update then try again |
| 10:54.27 | enouf | icesword: are you using Etch ? |
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| 10:54.34 | enouf | i guess so |
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| 10:54.40 | icesword | yes |
| 10:54.44 | wols_ | icesword: is the networking already set up? |
| 10:55.00 | icesword | yes |
| 10:55.04 | icesword | i use nat |
| 10:55.18 | wols_ | _Shade_: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ymfpci |
| 10:55.32 | enouf | !+tell antoniojulio about http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 10:55.33 | dpkg | i dunno what is 'http://goodbye-windows.com'. |
| 10:55.39 | wols_ | !goodbye |
| 10:55.39 | dpkg | Goodbye to you too, wols_ |
| 10:55.40 | enouf | !+tell antoniojulio about goodbye-windows.com |
| 10:55.41 | dpkg | told antoniojulio about goodbye-windows.com (http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com) |
| 10:56.09 | enouf | antoniojulio: or you can burn the ISO to CD or DVD, whichever you have |
| 10:56.32 | icesword | enouf, still that case,could i download from kernel.org |
| 10:56.44 | wols_ | icesword: only if you build your own kernel |
| 10:56.45 | enouf | antoniojulio: and install that way = there's many ways |
| 10:56.53 | enouf | !+tell antoniojulio -about ig |
| 10:56.53 | dpkg | told antoniojulio about ig. |
| 10:57.08 | enouf | icesword: what on earth? |
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| 10:57.17 | icesword | :( |
| 10:57.20 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 10:57.20 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 10:57.21 | antoniojulio | enouf: thanks you |
| 10:57.35 | enouf | antoniojulio: no problemo - try #debian-es ? |
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| 10:57.41 | enouf | antoniojulio: no problemo - try #debian-br perhaps ? |
| 10:57.53 | enouf | your english is ok though too ;-) |
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| 10:58.10 | antoniojulio | enouf: sorry :-( |
| 10:58.21 | enouf | no no no .. no worries antoniojulio |
| 10:58.24 | icesword | enouf, plz .sir |
| 10:58.29 | enouf | just letting you know about them |
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| 10:58.52 | enouf | icesword: i have no idea what you're saying |
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| 10:59.05 | wols_ | he says "plz |
| 10:59.16 | enouf | before that :-P |
| 10:59.19 | icesword | enouf, i mean what should i do, |
| 10:59.47 | wols_ | pastebin your sources.list |
| 10:59.54 | icesword | enouf, you mean i download form kernel.org that sentence? |
| 11:00.03 | enouf | icesword: are you running debian? is your internet broken? do you have security.debain.org in your sources.list? |
| 11:00.11 | enouf | icesword: download what? |
| 11:00.19 | antoniojulio | enouf: i find a free software for admin help-desk , the software based in java for install in tomcat, and can use mail for tickets? do you have a software name? |
| 11:00.33 | icesword | wols_, i won't paste coz i know i use ftp.tw.debian.org |
| 11:00.36 | enouf | icesword: kernel.org is not debian kernel sources, nor debian kernel headers |
| 11:00.42 | enouf | though debain starts with those |
| 11:00.57 | wols_ | icesword: you don#t do what we ask for, you fix your problems yoursef. have a nice day, goodbye |
| 11:01.23 | icesword | wait ,now icheck sources.lst |
| 11:02.23 | enouf | antoniojulio: i know nothing about java, sorry .. but others might - i know there's "ticketing" software , but can't recall the names at the moment |
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| 11:03.31 | antoniojulio | ok sir |
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| 11:10.59 | unenough | when doing a "dist-upgrade", it says that 3 packages are "kept back". how do i mark them for upgrade? |
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| 11:11.34 | michael-t | hello |
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| 11:13.30 | michael-t | how can i know what are the packages i have installed ? |
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| 11:13.57 | icesword | wols_, sorry for annoying you ,but it seems it is my sources.lst issue,so what should i add? |
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| 11:14.29 | enouf | !security |
| 11:14.29 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
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| 11:15.22 | enouf | icesword: see what dpkg said ^^^^ |
| 11:15.31 | icesword | yeah |
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| 11:16.37 | enouf | icesword: if you still have issues, i'll want to see outout of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 11:16.54 | enouf | s/outout/output |
| 11:17.44 | enouf | (at the least) |
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| 11:18.33 | icesword | first line) i i libc6 2.3.6.dsl-13etch5 gnu library : sha |
| 11:18.49 | icesword | 2 line)red libraries |
| 11:19.27 | icesword | wait ,that .dsl -l dont know if it is l or 1 |
| 11:19.37 | icesword | maybe it is 1 |
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| 11:20.31 | michael-t | does "dpkg -l" list all installed packages ? |
| 11:21.25 | icesword | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.13 | enouf | !selections |
| 11:22.14 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 11:22.21 | enouf | er |
| 11:22.37 | icesword | this is what i do before,first install that 180m cd,then install x,then install gnome-desktop-environmnet |
| 11:22.43 | enouf | !installed |
| 11:22.43 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 11:22.55 | enouf | michael-t: ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 11:24.38 | enouf | !tell icesword -about search |
| 11:24.51 | ericpersson | hey, anyone tried any face recognition packages? |
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| 11:24.58 | ericpersson | if there are any.. :) |
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| 11:27.26 | wols_ | icesword: you don't do what we ask for, you fix your problems yourself. |
| 11:27.51 | enouf | wols_: what is the issue anyway anymore? i forgot :-P |
| 11:28.00 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 ? |
| 11:28.01 | michael-t | i need a duplication because my / is full and the only free space is before my / on the hdd. it is not possible to expand a partition with this space ? |
| 11:29.20 | enouf | wols_: i did show up late perhaps - and icesword you should answer wols_ and others' questions and requests for more help |
| 11:29.24 | wols_ | enouf: probably a misconfigured sources.list |
| 11:29.34 | enouf | i see - yeah |
| 11:29.41 | Eulex | michael-t, try the gparted live-cd |
| 11:29.46 | wols_ | however where he got the -6 kernel from is beyond me if it is |
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| 11:30.07 | enouf | right |
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| 11:30.53 | icesword | enouf, sorry for boring you,but this is strange,when i ran "aptitude update" it said "neglect security.debian.org |
| 11:31.21 | wols_ | icesword: pastebin |
| 11:31.30 | enouf | icesword: i guess your /etc/apt/source.list is misconfigured |
| 11:31.39 | michael-t | Eulex: i will not lose my data because i think gparted will move my current partition and expand it after ? |
| 11:31.46 | enouf | icesword: i guess your /etc/apt/sources.list <-- correction |
| 11:32.23 | icesword | yes,but does pastebin need register?i thought it takes time |
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| 11:32.39 | enouf | michael-t: partition manipulation should be treated with reat care and only attempted after a full understanding and a FULL BACKUP of any important data PRIOR |
| 11:32.46 | Eulex | michael-t, it will. but what's the problem with that? |
| 11:32.47 | enouf | s/reat/great |
| 11:32.51 | wols_ | michael-t: you ALWAYS need ot backup before you use any form of partiton editor |
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| 11:33.03 | wols_ | if you don't backup: you own fault and problem if you lose data |
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| 11:34.18 | enouf | icesword: "/msg dpkg pastebin" try http://pastebin.ca if you have issues with others - or even sial.org/pbot or rafb.net/paste etc |
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| 11:35.10 | enouf | icesword: try to add a blank space after each comma (a ',') when typing, like this, and this |
| 11:35.11 | michael-t | ok i think i will not lose my time if i reinstall my debian on a new partition and duplicate it with dpkg, it will be more secure than moving my / |
| 11:35.21 | michael-t | thank you guys |
| 11:35.23 | michael-t | bye |
| 11:36.04 | icesword | enouf, yeah,i am trying to paste now,you are in great patience |
| 11:36.10 | enouf | icesword: also after a . or a ? or any of a number of others ;-) (sorry, not nitpicking, just trying to help) |
| 11:36.34 | liable_ | awsome, i can send and recieve sms from my inbuilt hsdpa card :) |
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| 11:37.00 | liable_ | sure you're not nitpicking.. :P |
| 11:37.02 | enouf | !acronym soup |
| 11:37.07 | putridp | It should be 2 spaces after a . ;-) (not that anyone does these days) |
| 11:37.25 | enouf | putridp: er ... oh nm |
| 11:37.58 | enouf | two is better than none, that's all i can say :-P |
| 11:38.05 | icesword | wols_, http://pastebin.com/ml8la7a32 |
| 11:38.18 | icesword | still not sure if it is "1" or l" |
| 11:38.24 | enouf | it's a 1 |
| 11:38.30 | enouf | numeral one |
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| 11:39.12 | enouf | icesword: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 gnu library |
| 11:39.54 | icesword | wols_, http://pastebin.com/m181a7a32 |
| 11:39.56 | enouf | The requested URL /ml8la7a32 was not found on this server. |
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| 11:40.00 | enouf | :-( |
| 11:40.01 | putridp | i think he means http://pastebin.com/m181a7a32 |
| 11:40.08 | icesword | click on that one |
| 11:40.10 | enouf | oh .. ffs |
| 11:40.22 | icesword | coz i cannot copy from vm |
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| 11:41.14 | enouf | icesword: comment out line 12 like you did all above it |
| 11:41.30 | enouf | comment out --> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 Etch - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15]/ etch contrib main |
| 11:41.57 | icesword | i don't know,i did a netinstall |
| 11:42.41 | putridp | icesword: you don't need that line anymore |
| 11:43.06 | enouf | deb http://mirrors.geekbone.org/debian/ etch main <-- no idea if that's even legit (official) - oh well |
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| 11:44.09 | enouf | icesword: exact errors and messages to a pastebin help a lot when diagnosing |
| 11:44.20 | icesword | yes |
| 11:44.41 | icesword | we don't use pastebin here,i don't know it is so good |
| 11:45.00 | icesword | putridp, how to edit it |
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| 11:45.43 | enouf | !+tell icesword -about grounding |
| 11:45.43 | dpkg | told icesword about grounding. |
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| 11:46.32 | liable_ | why use + then - ? :P |
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| 11:46.54 | liable_ | instead of spamming you, it spams the channel :P |
| 11:47.25 | Matlock | hi, does anybody know where are saved the passwords of ROUND CUBE webmail . i meian in which file ? |
| 11:47.26 | enouf | as root , nano /etc/apt/sources.list , add a # in front of the CDROM line, then CTRL-o , then <ENTER> , then CTRL-x |
| 11:47.31 | enouf | icesword: ^^^^ |
| 11:47.34 | vincentvikram | I've installed xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-amd64 on my Debian Lenny but no "xen-vmlinuz" was created. Do I have to do something special to get xen to work? |
| 11:47.58 | icesword | enouf, thank you ,you are trying hard to help me and also wols_ ,though it seems he don't want to talk to me right now |
| 11:48.04 | enouf | liable_: yeah, reduntant - duh |
| 11:48.41 | enouf | liable_: i do that only sometimes so the person sees the in channel message (reserved for serious n00bs ;-)) |
| 11:49.01 | enouf | liable_: in case PMs go to a different window in their client, etc |
| 11:49.30 | enouf | icesword: one helper should suffice for now - he's on coffee break at the moment :-) |
| 11:49.30 | liable_ | enouf: dont worry, we have fall back bastards in here to make sure teh n00bs get the message ;) |
| 11:49.41 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:50.10 | enouf | !tell icesword -about /msg the bot |
| 11:50.16 | enouf | gah |
| 11:50.19 | enouf | !tell icesword -about msg the bot |
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| 11:51.13 | szymon | i think that someone dont like me..... |
| 11:51.49 | liable_ | whyzat? |
| 11:52.16 | icesword | enouf, i have done what you told me to do |
| 11:52.57 | enouf | vincentvikram: no idea, if nobody replies soon, try #debian-amd64 is it? also #debian on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:53.28 | enouf | [06:49:31] -ChanServ- #debian-amd64 << ACTIVE >> created 2 years 34 weeks 4 days (11h 51m 44s) ago |
| 11:53.31 | enouf | yep |
| 11:53.53 | vincentvikram | enouf: thank you. Already tried #debian-amd64.. seems to be quiet |
| 11:54.02 | enouf | i see, no prob |
| 11:54.07 | putridp | icesword: does aptitude update work now? |
| 11:54.29 | icesword | now i do apt-cache show linux-headers- `uname -r` |
| 11:54.35 | icesword | i got a > |
| 11:54.39 | enouf | maybe aptitude isn't even installed? |
| 11:54.40 | icesword | ">" |
| 11:54.47 | enouf | icesword: ctrl-c |
| 11:55.04 | valdyn | icesword: whats the whitespace " " doing in linux-headers- `uname -r` |
| 11:55.14 | enouf | apt-cache show linux-headers- `uname -r` has a blank space, try apt-cache show linux-headers-$(uname -r) instead |
| 11:55.21 | enouf | icesword: ^^^^^ |
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| 11:55.41 | enouf | i said that poorly |
| 11:55.58 | enouf | icesword: headers- `uname -r` <--- has a blank space |
| 11:56.06 | enouf | and it shouldn't |
| 11:56.18 | putridp | what is icesword trying to achieve? Compile something from source that requires the kernel headers? |
| 11:56.26 | enouf | i have no idea |
| 11:56.37 | valdyn | putridp: yes |
| 11:56.38 | icesword | to install vmware tools |
| 11:56.43 | techouse | how do i compile real player? there's only a make file in it and when i execute it says it's not configured |
| 11:56.43 | enouf | all i know is, he asked for headers |
| 11:56.44 | techouse | :P |
| 11:56.57 | valdyn | techouse: why ask us? |
| 11:57.09 | enouf | what's real player? |
| 11:57.14 | enouf | don't answer that |
| 11:58.05 | icesword | i got |
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| 11:58.05 | techouse | valdyn: well....maybe some of you 800 guys did it :D it's worth a shot :D |
| 11:58.05 | icesword | w:cannot find package linux-headers- |
| 11:58.09 | valdyn | icesword: whats so hard about using cut & paste? |
| 11:58.12 | enouf | icesword: whenever you make changes to sources.list run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 11:58.18 | icesword | w:didnot find package 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:58.37 | valdyn | icesword: please use cut & paste, this is totally misleading what you are pasting |
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| 11:58.53 | icesword | yes,sir |
| 11:59.03 | putridp | icesword: what does your uname -r say? |
| 11:59.12 | techouse | valdyn: i'm having issues with mplayerplug-in; it plays sound but no video :P |
| 11:59.18 | icesword | wait |
| 11:59.24 | techouse | when a real media file is in question |
| 11:59.35 | valdyn | !w32codecs |
| 11:59.35 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 11:59.41 | snowman | does anybody uses openmailadmin? |
| 11:59.45 | icesword | uname -r got 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:59.52 | putridp | icesword: can you do apt-cache install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:59.58 | enouf | what's that new crappy ".rmvf" file type? |
| 12:00.03 | techouse | valdyn: does that work under 64bit? |
| 12:00.06 | putridp | sorry, apt-get install .. |
| 12:00.09 | valdyn | techouse: no |
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| 12:00.26 | techouse | well then...i'm screwed :D |
| 12:00.31 | valdyn | techouse: yes |
| 12:00.37 | gigo | hi |
| 12:00.55 | putridp | icesword: i meant: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 12:01.04 | icesword | yeah |
| 12:02.02 | icesword | putridp, that did it,i got 3 packages |
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| 12:03.22 | icesword | putridp, hehehe,you are great!and where do you think it will install to |
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| 12:03.48 | enouf | putridp: what i think happened is because cdrom was in sources.list, cache was never updated, ergo; prior attempts of apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` failed, though no idea how he got that kernel installed - unless a very recent netinstall, which ofcourse would contain the fixed vmsplice issued kernel, but not have headers on the netinst CD </guesses> |
| 12:04.24 | icesword | it will take 26m diskspace after extract |
| 12:04.32 | enouf | he's been told to do exactly what you posted many times prior |
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| 12:04.49 | putridp | enouf: yeah, that seems reasonable. I wasn't really following what was happening ;) |
| 12:04.59 | icesword | enouf, also ,you are good man ,in great patience |
| 12:05.04 | enouf | putridp: i showed up late originally as well |
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| 12:05.19 | enouf | icesword: no prob, many times, i'm not ;-) |
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| 12:06.40 | putridp | enouf: do you have to manually comment out the cdrom apt source on a fresh netinst? |
| 12:06.47 | icesword | and you guys just couldn't believe it ,that debian run inside my windows xp,i only give it 76m ram,it runs so fast though |
| 12:07.09 | enouf | icesword: and congratulations on remembering the comma issue ;-) though the space comes after it ;-) |
| 12:07.28 | enouf | putridp: i guess so - i haven't installed in a while |
| 12:08.21 | icesword | lalala,i just would like to sing ,i do find debian has some great point ,though it is not #1 |
| 12:08.40 | enouf | !lart icesword |
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| 12:09.57 | icesword | enouf, things are diff in diff area,coz unath***** w*** is widespread here,:( |
| 12:10.26 | enouf | icesword: oh, i think i misunderstood your comment |
| 12:10.30 | enouf | my bad |
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| 12:11.16 | icesword | if now again,it asks for headers,where is it |
| 12:11.26 | lkthomas | guys, let's assume I got a full backup of debian with bacula, and that server just crashed, so how could I restore the whole OS ? |
| 12:11.28 | putridp | icesword: /usr/src |
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| 12:11.33 | valdyn | icesword: it shouldnt ask |
| 12:11.43 | icesword | valdyn, yeah |
| 12:11.48 | enouf | icesword: dpkg -L <pkgname> , install dlocate, review all the stuff dpkg told you |
| 12:11.51 | icesword | it doesn't ask |
| 12:11.53 | icesword | heheheh |
| 12:12.23 | valdyn | icesword: but the canonical way to look them up is /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ |
| 12:12.35 | wols_ | icesword: apt-cache search linux-header |
| 12:12.45 | icesword | heheh,successful!enjoy,the vm team |
| 12:13.07 | icesword | wols_, thank you too.heheh |
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| 12:14.31 | wols_ | lkthomas: first ting to test with a new backup solution is the restore process |
| 12:14.49 | wols_ | lkthomas: onw way would be a livecd with bacula installed and restore from that |
| 12:15.18 | lkthomas | I got a question on this about rescue CD |
| 12:15.27 | lkthomas | how BIG is that iso actually ? |
| 12:15.40 | lkthomas | or it just contain bootable section for restore purpose ? |
| 12:15.53 | icesword | good night to you all,and god bless you! |
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| 12:16.29 | putridp | phew. _wipes sweat from brow_ |
| 12:16.47 | enouf | !customer |
| 12:16.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 12:22.05 | pablo | hi, how do i list all the ports that are being used? |
| 12:22.15 | wols_ | netstat -anp |
| 12:22.21 | wols_ | as root tho |
| 12:23.20 | pablo | wols_: ok, it worked as user |
| 12:24.09 | techouse | valdyn: i found a solution :D this --> essential-amd64-20071007.tar.bz2 |
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| 12:25.07 | pablo | how do i add a user to a group? |
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| 12:26.23 | liable_ | man adduser |
| 12:26.58 | pablo | liable_: i already have created a user |
| 12:28.09 | simonrvn | man adduser |
| 12:28.15 | liable_ | pablo: yeah, and to use a user to a group, read man adduser... |
| 12:28.36 | liable_ | s/use/add/ |
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| 12:29.43 | pablo | liable_: ok, and which is the file that contains this info? |
| 12:29.50 | HyperDevil | how can i make 46 out of +46°C using the command line? |
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| 12:30.14 | putridp | pablo: $man adduser |
| 12:30.16 | simonrvn | man pages are manual pages, written for a command, system call, kernel resource, admin command, or other stuff. they're not used to describe part of a command |
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| 12:30.55 | bolt | Is a pentium 3 mobile a pentium M? |
| 12:31.18 | simonrvn | (although sometimes it seems like it, they're just a few bare groffed text paragraphs sometimes) |
| 12:31.26 | liable_ | pablo: why do you need to know a file? why cant you just use that program? |
| 12:32.11 | pablo | liable_: ok |
| 12:32.20 | pablo | liable_: just wanted to check |
| 12:32.43 | simonrvn | regexp for digit |
| 12:33.03 | liable_ | pablo: check what? |
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| 12:33.30 | simonrvn | i thought i was being incoherent |
| 12:34.13 | liable_ | i was wondering that myself |
| 12:34.22 | liable_ | for me.. |
| 12:34.47 | Eulex | bolt, no |
| 12:34.49 | simonrvn | heh |
| 12:35.14 | Eulex | bolt, but the pentium Ms were based on the pentium 3 |
| 12:35.32 | pablo | liable_: the user has been added to the group |
| 12:35.46 | bolt | so what should i select as cpu type when compiling a kernel for a pentium 3 mobile? |
| 12:35.58 | liable_ | pablo: you need the user to log out and back for it to be usefull |
| 12:35.58 | Eulex | bolt, pentium 3 |
| 12:36.18 | bolt | ok. thanks |
| 12:36.48 | pablo | liable_: ok, which file is the one that saves this thigs? |
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| 12:37.14 | liable_ | pablo: /etc/group |
| 12:37.17 | liable_ | pablo: why? |
| 12:37.19 | simonrvn | man adduser |
| 12:38.10 | liable_ | pablo: you dont really have a need to edit that file, thats what adduser is for |
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| 12:43.11 | pablo | hi, i get this problem: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied Please make sure that user is added to the fuse group. (however i am on the fuse group) |
| 12:43.21 | liable_ | hmm, gnokii kills my modem when it exits |
| 12:43.54 | gourmand | pablo: re-login |
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| 12:44.26 | pablo | gourmand: i opened a new console |
| 12:45.19 | liable_ | kill your first login |
| 12:45.38 | liable_ | just log out and login again |
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| 12:46.06 | pablo | liable_: ok, there it worked, thank you very much |
| 12:46.13 | pablo | gourmand: thkx |
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| 12:51.22 | Fizzel | hello |
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| 12:51.36 | Fizzel | does anyone knows where to find this option in the menuconfig? |
| 12:51.37 | Fizzel | softirq-tasklet |
| 12:51.38 | bolt | HELLO FIZZEL! SO GOOD TO SEE YOU! WELCOME TO #DEBIAN! |
| 12:51.41 | pbn | greetings from the Debian room at FOSDEM |
| 12:52.04 | bolt | Fizzel: just find it in the .config file :) easier |
| 12:52.41 | bolt | LIABLE_: YOU GLUED IT WHILE I WAS HOLDING IT :/ |
| 12:52.49 | Fizzel | hmm |
| 12:52.52 | amphi | Fizzel: you can use '/' to search in make menuconfig |
| 12:53.23 | Fizzel | ahh great, thx! i hope that i find this one |
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| 12:54.54 | maxXxim | hi |
| 12:55.03 | maxXxim | how can i see if ethernet interface is up? |
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| 12:55.06 | Fizzel | search was successful |
| 12:55.08 | Fizzel | search was successfull |
| 12:55.11 | Fizzel | but |
| 12:55.15 | wols_ | maxXxim: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 12:55.24 | Fizzel | i cant see the expected thing via menuconfig |
| 12:55.34 | maxXxim | wols_? :D i'm not a lamer |
| 12:55.47 | maxXxim | wols_> more detail please |
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| 12:55.53 | wols_ | man ifconfig |
| 12:56.14 | maxXxim | anybody elsse, know how can i check if the cable is pluged into the ethernet interface? |
| 12:56.23 | wols_ | dmesg |
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| 12:56.41 | wols_ | and an interface being up is not "a cable is plugged in" |
| 12:56.42 | maxXxim | wols_> you want to tell me all commands that you know? :D |
| 12:56.46 | wols_ | but then it's sunday |
| 12:57.03 | maxXxim | i neeed to know if the cable is pluged in |
| 12:57.11 | amphi | maxXxim: ethtool <iface> | grep Link |
| 12:57.18 | wols_ | maxXxim: do you want to talk bullshit all day and constantly put your foot in mouth? |
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| 12:58.17 | maxXxim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:58.53 | maxXxim | amphi> great answer! what i need! |
| 12:58.57 | maxXxim | amphi> thanks a lot |
| 12:59.09 | maxXxim | wols_> take lessons from amphi how to answer |
| 12:59.52 | wols_ | !tell maxXxim about fish |
| 13:00.20 | amphi | maxXxim: as wols_ said, that has nothing to do with the interface being up |
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| 13:02.24 | maxXxim | amphi> interesting things |
| 13:02.28 | maxXxim | ifconfig eth1 up |
| 13:02.37 | maxXxim | Link detected: yes |
| 13:02.44 | maxXxim | pump -i eth1 |
| 13:02.49 | maxXxim | Operation failed. |
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| 13:02.57 | maxXxim | Link detected: no |
| 13:02.57 | maxXxim | - |
| 13:02.58 | maxXxim | why? |
| 13:03.16 | wols_ | checked your logs? |
| 13:03.25 | amphi | pump? that still exists? ;) |
| 13:03.37 | wols_ | amphi: maybe he runs sarge? :) |
| 13:03.42 | wols_ | I think pump is in some udeb |
| 13:03.42 | maxXxim | amphi> what do you recomend ? |
| 13:03.52 | wols_ | we recommend /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:03.56 | wols_ | amn ifup |
| 13:04.02 | wols_ | man ifup |
| 13:04.11 | wols_ | !tell maxXxim about interfaces |
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| 13:20.44 | solemnwarning | Do the etch netinstall floppies work in a USB floppy drive? |
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| 13:23.40 | redduck666 | http://rafb.net/p/BWqLpC33.html any ideas why my php code ain't interpreted? |
| 13:23.48 | liable_ | solemnwarning: if your bios supports booting from it, yes |
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| 13:25.33 | solemnwarning | Ok |
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| 13:28.57 | lkthomas | guys, do I have to umount ext3 partition before I use lvextended ? |
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| 13:30.46 | pumpkin0 | lkthomas: yes. |
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| 13:31.10 | lkthomas | I can't do that online ? |
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| 13:31.24 | XoX | in cups , i have Allowuser , under <DefaultPrinter foobar> </printer> , and i have another <Printer bah> </printer> entry with no AllowUser yet it still let's users print as they want to this bah printer |
| 13:32.55 | pumpkin0 | lkthomas: in theory yes, but the likelyhood of fatal crashs is high. So at least do a backup. |
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| 13:33.06 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 13:33.16 | lkthomas | so better unmount it first, hmm |
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| 13:37.06 | tymonn | my HD isnt recongnized in any of my distros :x |
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| 13:37.28 | theclaw | hi |
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| 13:37.38 | liable_ | what controller chipset? |
| 13:37.49 | theclaw | Is there a tutorial which explains how to encrypt my root partition with debian? |
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| 13:39.21 | enouf | Fizzel: the only thing i see about any tasklet is in ./drivers/atm/Kconfig |
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| 13:40.46 | enouf | Fizzel: which kernel version, my search was vanilla .24 |
| 13:40.57 | enouf | (and .23) |
| 13:41.18 | enouf | theclaw: sure |
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| 13:42.44 | enouf | theclaw: here's a couple of things http://feraga.com/node/94 http://encryptionhowto.sourceforge.net/Encryption-HOWTO-4.html also search wiki.debian.org |
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| 13:42.52 | hellues | heyh |
| 13:42.53 | theclaw | thanks |
| 13:42.55 | lkthomas | guys, anyone know how to tell debian startup all xen guest OS at bootup ? |
| 13:42.56 | hellues | i downloaded git |
| 13:43.11 | hellues | when i do git pull origin |
| 13:43.19 | hellues | fallowing mistakes occur |
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| 13:43.33 | hellues | fatal: Not a git repository |
| 13:43.33 | hellues | Failed to find a valid git directory. |
| 13:43.35 | enouf | one more perhaps relevant http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 theclaw |
| 13:43.39 | hellues | how can i fix ? |
| 13:44.05 | wols_ | !tell lkthomas about rc.local |
| 13:44.08 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 13:44.10 | enouf | lastly http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto?highlight=%28Raid%29 theclaw |
| 13:44.21 | assasukasse | i have the need to crypt a folder in my /home |
| 13:44.26 | assasukasse | what should i use |
| 13:45.29 | enouf | wols_: do you know if bootmisc.sh is now deprecated or should not be used any longer? |
| 13:46.09 | liable_ | rclocal can do its job, but it doesnt really matter which |
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| 13:47.10 | hellues | any answer |
| 13:47.21 | hellues | any suggestion |
| 13:48.29 | liable_ | hellues: have you even got a git repo copy on your drive? |
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| 13:48.47 | gourmand | assasukasse: encfs |
| 13:48.49 | hellues | i dont know actually |
| 13:48.52 | liable_ | what exactly are you using git for? |
| 13:48.53 | theclaw | enouf: thanks! |
| 13:48.58 | hellues | i just download git from synaptic |
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| 13:49.18 | hellues | and i use this command git clone git://git.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/app/compiz |
| 13:49.32 | hellues | download somt i use git pull origin |
| 13:49.53 | assasukasse | gourmand: but is enchrypts whole fs, i just want a folder.. |
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| 13:51.42 | gourmand | assasukasse: no, read docs |
| 13:51.43 | liable_ | hellues: that command should get the repo. just use 'git pull' afterwards |
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| 13:51.58 | assasukasse | gourmand: thanks i found! |
| 13:51.59 | liable_ | in the directory |
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| 13:52.32 | hellues | oki |
| 13:52.55 | gourmand | assasukasse: as a bonus you can automount it at login time using pam |
| 13:52.55 | hellues | liable, |
| 13:52.58 | hellues | same mistake |
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| 13:53.03 | hellues | fatal: Not a git repository |
| 13:53.04 | hellues | Failed to find a valid git directory. |
| 13:53.16 | blop | hello |
| 13:53.18 | assasukasse | gourmand: for doing it i should learn how to do first :D |
| 13:53.19 | liable_ | hellues: are you in the compiz directory? |
| 13:53.32 | hellues | no |
| 13:53.38 | liable_ | well. |
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| 13:54.07 | hellues | hmm |
| 13:54.12 | blop | i'd like to convert a unstable .deb to install it on a etch .. would you have a link to learn how to do that? |
| 13:54.43 | enouf | blop: er, that's not how :-P |
| 13:55.08 | enouf | well, not the debian way - do a simple sid backport |
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| 13:55.14 | hellues | i fix |
| 13:55.22 | hellues | i enter copiz directory thanks |
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| 13:55.31 | enouf | you fix , i fix, we fix \o/ |
| 13:55.40 | enouf | !fix me |
| 13:55.41 | blop | well, i checked www.backports.org, but its not available |
| 13:55.48 | liable_ | damn, too slow |
| 13:56.03 | enouf | blop: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 13:56.19 | blop | k |
| 13:56.48 | iateadonut | has anyone had any luck with the stable rtorrent included with etch? (rTorrent 0.6.4 - libTorrent 0.10.4) - i'm pretty new to debian, but everything seems really stable, so i'm a little hesitant to install anything by source. |
| 13:57.02 | blop | uhm |
| 13:57.13 | liable_ | mmmm, cheeese |
| 13:57.14 | enouf | ahem |
| 13:57.18 | blop | not sure i've understand the whole thing , i'll try :) |
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| 13:57.50 | liable_ | must be time to sleep |
| 13:57.55 | enouf | indeed |
| 13:57.56 | balancin | I have problems to initialize tomcat5.5 on my debian, I start it on startup.sh but not up =( I set the JAVA_HOME (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/), how to I start the tomcat!? |
| 13:58.57 | blop | hum |
| 13:59.01 | iateadonut | has anyone used rtorrent? |
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| 14:02.15 | iateadonut | what's your favorite bit torrent client on debian? |
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| 14:04.27 | balancin | I have problems to initialize tomcat5.5 on my debian, I start it on startup.sh but not up =( I set the JAVA_HOME (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/), how to I start the tomcat!? |
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| 14:06.35 | teago | balancin: Set variable JAVA_HOME in your system, export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java |
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| 14:07.22 | RichiH | azeem: POKE |
| 14:07.38 | RichiH | azeem: poke poke poke |
| 14:07.57 | azeem | RichiH: peek |
| 14:08.25 | RichiH | azeem: where are you? |
| 14:08.55 | azeem | in Janson |
| 14:09.08 | azeem | will be going to the Debian deveroom to see the 15:30 talk though |
| 14:11.37 | azeem | RichiH: we could meet in front of the Debian devroom (or in front of the Debian booth) at 15:20 |
| 14:13.22 | tymonn | Does ANYONE know any PHYSICS ENGINE in C? |
| 14:13.47 | fiyawerx | tymonn: http://www.ode.org/? |
| 14:13.53 | fiyawerx | without the ? sorry |
| 14:14.13 | fiyawerx | looks like it may not have updated in a while |
| 14:14.23 | tymonn | fiyawerx: ;) thanks a lot |
| 14:14.36 | tymonn | i just wanted to do an open source game |
| 14:14.42 | tymonn | for gnome or kde |
| 14:14.52 | tymonn | :) |
| 14:15.17 | fiyawerx | looks like there's python bindings for ode too, so maybe thta will work for you, good luck :) |
| 14:15.45 | tymonn | thanks mate:) |
| 14:16.13 | RichiH | azeem: i am in debiandevroom, atm |
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| 14:16.33 | RichiH | azeem: i will head to BSD at 1530, so yah, we can meet at stairs or booth |
| 14:17.26 | azeem | RichiH: ok, so in front of the stairs downstairs once the talk in the devroom finishs |
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| 14:17.31 | azeem | am off now |
| 14:17.33 | peppe | tymonn: bullet is C or C++? |
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| 14:17.51 | Quibus | hi all |
| 14:17.58 | Quibus | anyone here who's at FOSDEM? |
| 14:18.24 | RichiH | Quibus: yes, a few |
| 14:18.32 | tymonn | peppe: i was lookin at it now :D |
| 14:20.08 | peppe | tymonn: havok is still proprietary and however unavailable for evalutation, isn't it? |
| 14:21.05 | Strogg | How do you get apt to download a package that is already installed without trying to install it? |
| 14:21.40 | tymonn | peppe: in may it will be released :) you only have to pay for it if u wanna sell ur game |
| 14:21.49 | RichiH | azeem: i will try and make it outside, soon |
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| 14:23.59 | valdyn | iateadonut: rtorrent is great. |
| 14:24.49 | valdyn | iateadonut: rtorrent is probably the most popular among those that at least know it and dont want something huge as azureus |
| 14:24.51 | iateadonut | valdyn, rtorrent on debian etch has no problems, yeah? |
| 14:25.05 | valdyn | iateadonut: no software ever has no problems |
| 14:25.17 | iateadonut | i shouldn't try to upgrade because i can't get it working, right...? |
| 14:25.27 | iateadonut | just stick with the debian version. |
| 14:25.32 | valdyn | iateadonut: etchs rtorrent is fine, yes |
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| 14:25.56 | valdyn | iateadonut: you can get a newer version and still keep the rest etch, but you probably dont need a newer version |
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| 14:26.03 | iateadonut | people in rtorrent told me variables that aren't even recognized. |
| 14:26.17 | iateadonut | so, i just figured it'd be easier to get help that way. |
| 14:26.18 | peppe | tymonn: well, good news :) let's hope that intel will adopt mysql/qt release model (GPL version for free / proprietary for a license fee) |
| 14:26.21 | valdyn | iateadonut: what are you trying to do? whats not working? |
| 14:26.31 | iateadonut | can't connect to trackers. |
| 14:26.32 | wols_ | enouf: no clue |
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| 14:26.51 | enouf | wols_: np, thanks for reply |
| 14:27.06 | valdyn | iateadonut: trackers just web servers, i dont think thats your issue |
| 14:27.12 | valdyn | iateadonut: trackers are just web servers, i dont think thats your issue |
| 14:27.16 | tymonn | peppe: that would be really great :D |
| 14:27.32 | iateadonut | i can't telnet the first one either. |
| 14:27.48 | valdyn | iateadonut: so the issue has nothing to do with rtorrent obviously |
| 14:27.53 | s-andy | hi. I've found that some outgoing packets get lost when forwarding from internal lan iface to external pppoe interface... tried turning off iptables - the same. tried playing with mtu/mss - the same. no errors in logs/dmesg. please help |
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| 14:28.43 | iateadonut | how can i get a list of trackers in rtorrent? |
| 14:28.44 | valdyn | !mssclamp |
| 14:28.46 | valdyn | !mss |
| 14:28.49 | iateadonut | i tried just one of the trackers. |
| 14:28.49 | valdyn | !mss clamp |
| 14:29.06 | valdyn | iateadonut: a tracker is specific to an rtorrent file, each file lists its trackers |
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| 14:29.15 | valdyn | iateadonut: theres no global list |
| 14:29.30 | peppe | s-andy: did you add a TCPMSS rule on your router? |
| 14:29.35 | valdyn | !tcpmss |
| 14:29.38 | valdyn | a wth |
| 14:29.40 | iateadonut | got it. |
| 14:29.51 | valdyn | !listkey mss |
| 14:29.55 | valdyn | !listkeys mss |
| 14:29.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mss' by key (5): msstandards ;; mssql ;; _default msstandards ;; ddos mssql ;; CMD: rmssmite (.*?). |
| 14:30.06 | valdyn | !listkeys clamp |
| 14:30.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clamp' by key returned no results. |
| 14:30.09 | peppe | man iptables -> look for TCPMSS. that's really simple :P |
| 14:30.31 | iateadonut | valdyn, so, am i telnetting correctly here: telnet http://www.minitalk.net:50555/announce - shouldn't i have to say something about my open port? |
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| 14:30.34 | peppe | iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu |
| 14:31.10 | valdyn | iateadonut: what the hell |
| 14:31.14 | valdyn | iateadonut: telnet is not http |
| 14:31.17 | balancin | My tomcat5.5 not starts.. I set java_home but it not works =/ |
| 14:31.28 | balancin | what I do!? |
| 14:31.48 | valdyn | iateadonut: rtorrent is configured to listen to specific ports, those ports need to be accessible from the internet obviously |
| 14:32.32 | valdyn | iateadonut: that tracker isnt open anyway |
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| 14:34.02 | s-andy | peppe: yes! does not help... |
| 14:34.21 | s-andy | peppe: I have several external pppoe links - others work good |
| 14:34.52 | s-andy | peppe: we tried to switch laptop directly to the modem - all worked good too |
| 14:35.13 | iateadonut | looks like i connected to one: Group: 4 Id: Focus: no Enabled: yes Open: no S/L: 33/4; what does that Open: no mean? |
| 14:35.32 | peppe | s-andy: wait, what's exactly your network configuration? |
| 14:36.06 | peppe | s-andy: dsl modem <-> nat router (linux box) <-> LAN ? |
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| 14:36.17 | s-andy | peppe: yes |
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| 14:36.39 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 14:37.08 | peppe | s-andy: what's the router configuration? (ifconfig, route, iptables, etc.) |
| 14:37.19 | s-andy | peppe: we have two lan ifaces, one openvpn iface, and three external pppoe links |
| 14:37.42 | s-andy | peppe: do you want me to paste all the rules somewhere? |
| 14:38.17 | s-andy | peppe: I use iproute (ip) + iptables |
| 14:38.17 | iateadonut | so, the problem is that i'm connect to a tracker, which should have a good download rate and it's not connecting to any peers. |
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| 14:38.42 | peppe | s-andy: yeah... paste them somewhere |
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| 14:40.25 | iateadonut | valdyn, do you set ip and bind variables in your config file on rtorrent? |
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| 14:41.58 | iateadonut | maybe my problem is patience? |
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| 14:43.08 | s-andy | peppe: sorry, never did this before... http://paste.debian.net/ would be good? |
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| 14:43.39 | peppe | s-andy: yes |
| 14:43.53 | spldart | I have a problem where 3d apps lockup and if I try to call glxinfo my X crashes and I'm dumped @ the gdm login > http://70.241.4.215:8080/logs.doc |
| 14:43.57 | spldart | Any ideas? |
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| 14:46.30 | tymonn | how do i know which debian i have installed? |
| 14:46.56 | cahoot | !version |
| 14:46.56 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 14:50.30 | akuwamari | hi |
| 14:50.36 | akuwamari | i have problems |
| 14:50.40 | akuwamari | /dev/hda6 2,8G 2,7G 0 100% /var |
| 14:50.57 | xand | akuwamari: apt-get clean |
| 14:51.00 | akuwamari | i have /dev/hda6 full |
| 14:51.16 | xand | that will empty the cache of packages |
| 14:51.17 | akuwamari | ok |
| 14:51.30 | akuwamari | hummm |
| 14:51.40 | akuwamari | thanks, is ok now 1.5GB |
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| 14:51.42 | iateadonut | anyone happen to know a good educational game for teaching a two-year old how to use the mouse? |
| 14:51.48 | aaguaron | hi everybody |
| 14:51.50 | akuwamari | yeah |
| 14:52.01 | akuwamari | iateandonut: |
| 14:52.05 | akuwamari | gcompris |
| 14:52.14 | spldart | ditto gcompris |
| 14:52.27 | iateadonut | she knows how to click and she knows she's supposed to move the mouse, but she doesn't seem to know what moving the mouse does. |
| 14:52.50 | akuwamari | use gcompris |
| 14:53.03 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.35 | aaguaron | I hope you can help me with this question... I'm developing a small application intentended for Debian-based distributions and I'd like to get all USB mass storage devices attached to the system |
| 14:53.53 | aaguaron | do you know if there is any command or so which scans the computer and return USB mass storage devices? |
| 14:54.46 | iateadonut | what else is good after she's done with gcompris? |
| 14:54.56 | s-andy | peppe: ok... here it is: http://rafb.net/p/d4dEEl98.html, http://rafb.net/p/AW87zI91.html, http://rafb.net/p/IumWdS66.html |
| 14:55.55 | reZo | hi, i'm trying to make xdm exec startfluxbox when i login, however it's starting gnome mysteryiously, i can't find where. how can i fix this? |
| 14:56.18 | s-andy | peppe: hope it helps... |
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| 14:57.11 | s-andy | peppe: I tried disabling firewall rules (all except NAT) - still the same |
| 14:57.35 | Nyle | good morning |
| 14:57.58 | bolt | I am trying to backup and restore my root filesystem to a new harddrive. When I compress it using tar/gz, I end up with a file which is larger than 2 gigs and makes tar stop, saying "file too large". What can I do about this? |
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| 14:58.19 | Nyle | bolt: span it across multiple files? |
| 14:58.25 | gourmand | aaguaron: /sys/bus/usb ; lsusb |
| 14:58.56 | bolt | Nyle: does tar have a spanning option? |
| 14:59.05 | Nyle | read the manpage |
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| 14:59.34 | aaguaron | gourmand, I think in lsusb, but problem is that is giving me all USB hardware connected to the computer... I don't really want that. I need to get USB mass storage device names, i.e. /dev/sdd or /dev/whatever |
| 14:59.45 | digits | how do i find out whish flags a .deb has been compiled with? |
| 14:59.59 | Nyle | digits: get the source look at the makefile |
| 15:00.00 | peppe | s-andy: your config is quite complicated... :) |
| 15:00.09 | Nyle | digits: debian/rules |
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| 15:00.21 | digits | Nyle: ok, thanks |
| 15:00.21 | Nyle | !tell digits -about package basics |
| 15:00.26 | s-andy | peppe: yeah... :) I know that |
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| 15:00.33 | peppe | aaguaron: try querying hal |
| 15:00.55 | s-andy | peppe: you can skip firewall rules as far as I believe they have nothing to do with the issue |
| 15:01.31 | aaguaron | peppe maybe with lshal? |
| 15:01.35 | spldart | Noone has any input on my aforementioned 3d/gl query? |
| 15:02.08 | gourmand | aaguaron: then you probably should scan pseudo-files in /sys/bus/usb |
| 15:02.18 | aaguaron | mmm ok gourmand |
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| 15:02.41 | aaguaron | I'm gonna boot Debian right now and I'll connect again |
| 15:02.46 | aaguaron | thanks a lot for your help |
| 15:02.56 | peppe | aaguaron: yes, something like that... and look at the HAL spec on freedesktop how to find out USB devices, then use hal-find-by-xxx stuff |
| 15:03.04 | peppe | d'oh :( |
| 15:03.08 | s-andy | peppe: I tried almost everything including making ppp2 a default ext. link and simplifying the config - nothing helps :( |
| 15:03.28 | s-andy | peppe: I want to show you also a tcpdump... |
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| 15:08.33 | s-andy | peppe: http://rafb.net/p/eGEFYC81.html |
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| 15:09.43 | s-andy | peppe: note that packet at line 5 which is received by internal iface is missing on external iface :( |
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| 15:10.42 | rouisk | hello |
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| 15:11.42 | peppe | s-andy: but that connection worked or what? |
| 15:11.54 | rouisk | I just activated the gnome system sounds, they work great, but I can't play anyother sound !! (Xmss, youtube, ....) nothing works |
| 15:11.55 | hellues | !paste |
| 15:11.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:12.03 | rouisk | can anyone help me please ? |
| 15:12.23 | s-andy | peppe: nope... some packets do not leave external iface and server sends F (finish) |
| 15:12.28 | Strogg | How do you get apt to download a package that is already installed? |
| 15:12.46 | Strogg | or is there a way to get apt to show a download link for a package in the repository? |
| 15:12.54 | s-andy | peppe: the strange thing that all works fine from the server connected through vpn to the server |
| 15:13.04 | Nyle | Strogg: apt-cache show pkgname|grep File: |
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| 15:13.20 | Nyle | Strogg: man apt-get |
| 15:13.28 | s-andy | peppe: I tried connecting through vpn too and it did not worked for me... very weird |
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| 15:13.50 | Nyle | Filename: |
| 15:13.52 | Nyle | oops |
| 15:13.53 | Strogg | Nyle: I know about -d.. but what if the package is already installed? I haven't found a "download it anyway" switch |
| 15:13.55 | rouisk | O_o |
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| 15:14.02 | aaguaron | hi |
| 15:14.06 | aaguaron | again |
| 15:14.10 | Nyle | Strogg: dunno |
| 15:14.25 | Strogg | Nyle: there is no Filename: in the apt-cache output for that packge |
| 15:15.07 | peppe | s-andy: that's strange, try debugging the iptables configuration, maybe there's something wrong in there (the packet gets dropped or redirected) |
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| 15:15.52 | s-andy | peppe: how to do this? |
| 15:16.34 | Nyle | Strogg: yes, there is. |
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| 15:17.01 | Nyle | append the value of that feild after a mirror/debian |
| 15:17.14 | peppe | s-andy: you can add, for instance, the LOG target that logs in syslog and/or ULOG + specter |
| 15:17.18 | Nyle | http://mirro.com/debian/<append here> |
| 15:17.22 | Nyle | thts the download link |
| 15:17.35 | peppe | the LOG target is a non-terminating target, so you can safely add it everywhere |
| 15:17.36 | Nyle | and ALL packages have that feild because all packages are downloadble |
| 15:17.54 | Strogg | lithium:~# apt-cache show libsocksd | grep "File" |
| 15:17.55 | Strogg | lithium:~# |
| 15:18.17 | Nyle | Strogg: its not a debian package |
| 15:18.23 | Nyle | is it? |
| 15:18.34 | peppe | Strogg: apt-get install --reinstall -d package-nme |
| 15:18.34 | Nyle | !+info libsocksd |
| 15:18.38 | dpkg | libsocksd: (SOCKS library for packages built using libsocksd-dev), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.18.dfsg-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 15:18.44 | s-andy | peppe: but I tried allowing all - removed all rules except nat. it was the same - packets still were dropped silently |
| 15:18.47 | peppe | Strogg: and you get it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:18.48 | Strogg | weird. packages.debian.org says it's in stable and unstable, but not testing. |
| 15:19.01 | Nyle | Strogg: yeh i have testing too, ot here |
| 15:19.07 | Nyle | i just checked here and its not in apt |
| 15:19.15 | peppe | Strogg: packages get removed from testing |
| 15:19.17 | Nyle | s/ot/not |
| 15:19.25 | Nyle | !why is libsocksd not in testing |
| 15:19.26 | dpkg | libsocksd is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libsocksd |
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| 15:20.51 | peppe | s-andy: if you can reproduce that with a "minimal" configuration, paste the results... it can be a bug |
| 15:21.05 | peppe | (paste the config too, of course) |
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| 15:22.33 | s-andy | peppe: ok, will play with it more |
| 15:22.43 | s-andy | peppe: thanks |
| 15:24.23 | y7 | i don't understand how manuals explain stuff. when it has all the -a -c -d -e etc.... does that mean i start the program with -a after the program name? |
| 15:24.57 | peppe | y7: yes |
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| 15:25.31 | y7 | so when i try to start the program with the -a after the program name and it tells me the command doesn't exist, does that mean i don't have the -a install or does that mean i'm doing it wrong? |
| 15:25.32 | clone_ | y7, look like you do understand |
| 15:26.00 | clone_ | y7, doing it wrong |
| 15:26.01 | peppe | y7: did you put a space between the command name and the option? |
| 15:26.06 | y7 | peppe: yes |
| 15:26.09 | peppe | y7: which command is that? |
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| 15:26.37 | y7 | proftpd -c |
| 15:27.55 | petemc | y7: what do you think that does? |
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| 15:28.32 | peppe | y7: maybe proftpd isn't in your path, it is a daemon and usually only root manages them |
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| 15:29.40 | blueD | where can I find a Debian lenny ISO for a netinstall? |
| 15:29.56 | Nyle | !d-i blueD |
| 15:29.56 | dpkg | blueD, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:30.19 | y7 | peppe: the manual says it'll open up the config |
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| 15:30.56 | peppe | y7: the manual says that with -c you can specify an alternate config file |
| 15:31.03 | y7 | peppe: using root allowed me to use the cmd. how am i supposed to know when i need root or not though? |
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| 15:31.42 | alfonso | hi gourmand peppe |
| 15:31.47 | RichiH | azeem: i am at the debian stand |
| 15:31.49 | kdallas | Hi guys! I have installed ntp but it does not show in Desktop>Admin>Services. How do I change that and how should i make it run when i boot? Thanks |
| 15:32.03 | clone_ | i have the wireless for my wireless router key.... is a WPA Key but Debian only have a WEP field, what can I do? |
| 15:32.05 | wols_ | !tell kdallas about rcconf |
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| 15:32.07 | alfonso | I think I've found a method to detect USB mass storage root devices with a small command sequence |
| 15:32.15 | peppe | y7: because proftpd is a systemwide daemon, and ftp by default listens on port 21 which is a priviliged port |
| 15:32.15 | wols_ | !tell k_dallas about rcconf |
| 15:32.17 | bolt | y7: you need root when running anything that your user doesn't have permission to do. this includes almost everything that affects files outside of your home directory, except logs |
| 15:32.24 | RichiH | azeem: i wiull move to the mozilla room, soon |
| 15:32.25 | wols_ | !tell alfonso about usb storage |
| 15:32.26 | K_Dallas | Thanks wols_ |
| 15:32.29 | blueD | Nyle, isn't there a netinstall image from lenny? |
| 15:32.29 | gourmand | alfonso: hi there |
| 15:32.31 | alfonso | could you check this? -> for i in `ls -al /dev/disk/by-id/ | grep usb | awk '{print $10}' | sed 's/..\/../\/dev/'`; do if [[ `echo $i | grep [0-9]` = "" ]]; then echo $i; fi; done |
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| 15:32.43 | Nyle | yes. |
| 15:32.44 | alfonso | you should be using udev for this command to work properly |
| 15:32.45 | y7 | bolt: ok.k |
| 15:32.52 | Nyle | blueD: look at what the bot told you |
| 15:33.09 | bolt | lenny netinstall is available |
| 15:33.22 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 15:33.22 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 15:34.00 | Nyle | once again.... |
| 15:34.02 | bolt | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- testing snapshots (lenny install cd's) |
| 15:34.30 | wols_ | bolt: only for testing the installer with a high chance of it being broken |
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| 15:34.51 | wols_ | if he needs a newer kernel for his hardware, he should use kmuto's |
| 15:34.55 | peppe | alfonso: there is *for sure* a simpler way, look at hal-find-by-xxx stuff |
| 15:34.56 | bolt | wols_: well, worked for me anyway. i think most basic functions should work in those |
| 15:35.06 | wols_ | no it doesn't |
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| 15:35.19 | wols_ | almost everyday someone comes in here with that installer which breaks for him |
| 15:35.36 | Nyle | huh? |
| 15:35.39 | blueD | daily build isn't testing, right? So I see only a netinstall for daily build, not for weekly snapshot |
| 15:35.40 | K_Dallas | Q: Iceweasle is FireFox? |
| 15:35.43 | Nyle | who complains about the daily builds? |
| 15:35.49 | Nyle | its all testing |
| 15:35.50 | wols_ | !tell K_Dallas about iceweasel |
| 15:35.53 | Nyle | sid is unreleased |
| 15:36.11 | Nyle | if its not stable, its testing. you can't download sid per se |
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| 15:36.38 | wols_ | blueD: all installers under /devel/ are testing |
| 15:36.45 | Nyle | unless you boot with a minimal netboot image with priority=low and tell it to use unstable to pick the base system from |
| 15:36.48 | K_Dallas | thanks wols_ i didn't know about this. hopefully i could install the few extensions that i need in iceweasel |
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| 15:37.07 | wols_ | K_Dallas: you can. no worries. only pictures are different |
| 15:37.11 | Nyle | so yeh actually you can install a sid from the getgo but you don't want to |
| 15:37.20 | Nyle | that would suck |
| 15:37.26 | peppe | alfonso: and that script is very complicated , you can just do something like "for i in /dev/disk/by-id/usb*; do readlink "$i" | sed...; done" |
| 15:37.39 | K_Dallas | wols_, good to know :) i did just install delicious ;) and seems to be working. thanks again |
| 15:37.39 | blueD | wols, thanks... no want testing not sid |
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| 15:38.24 | Nyle | why testing? |
| 15:38.34 | Nyle | wht reason do you have to not use stable? |
| 15:39.14 | blueD | Nyle, more recent software... being able to build up a mixed system with sid |
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| 15:39.33 | blueD | Debian is slow with new software versions |
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| 15:39.45 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 15:39.46 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 15:39.55 | Mohero_ | Hi all. I appear to have stuffed apt/dpkg and i'm now completely stuck |
| 15:39.58 | ignu | I have a question. In an effort to graduate from TOTAL ignorant newbie and become SOMEWHAT ignorant newbie, I've was reading http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_For_Newbies/How_Linux_Works today |
| 15:40.00 | ignu | So, I have loaded the basic Debian install with no software packages selected and booted to commandline. |
| 15:40.03 | ignu | It appears to me that this covers the Boot loader, the Kernel and the Shell ... am I right? Now, I am about to enter 'aptitude install xorg fluxbox gdm' |
| 15:40.06 | Nyle | do not mix packages from even testing/sid as you can have potential dependency conflics |
| 15:40.21 | DawnLight | Mohero_: sounds fun. debian etch? |
| 15:40.22 | wols_ | ignu: yes |
| 15:40.27 | Nyle | ignu: base system, yes. |
| 15:40.58 | Mohero_ | DownLight - Actually Ubuntu - but they seem pretty useless no one overly helpful in their rooms :( |
| 15:41.07 | Nyle | !ubuntu |
| 15:41.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:41.08 | Mohero_ | *DawnLight |
| 15:41.25 | wols_ | Mohero_: we cannot help you, sorry |
| 15:41.28 | Nyle | Mohero_: please go to #ubuntu |
| 15:41.29 | DawnLight | Mohero_: sorry |
| 15:41.30 | ignu | What I'm trying to figure out is "Desktop Environment". Does the fluxbox window manager make a desktop environment unnecessary? |
| 15:41.38 | wols_ | ignu: yes |
| 15:41.43 | Nyle | ignu: no need to use tasksel |
| 15:41.50 | wols_ | ignu: never ever use tasksel |
| 15:41.53 | wols_ | if you can avoid it |
| 15:42.01 | ignu | what is taskel? |
| 15:42.09 | Nyle | !tasksel |
| 15:42.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about ... |
| 15:42.12 | wols_ | ignu: run "tasksel" and you see |
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| 15:42.45 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 15:42.49 | Nyle | I seem to have misplaced my pipe |
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| 15:43.23 | Nyle | I must bake, now that I'm awake, for which I required the proper utensils, but I keep misplacing shit. |
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| 15:43.50 | Nyle | actually you can read the tasksel manpage and list what packages each task wants to isntall |
| 15:44.04 | Nyle | that way you know what is goin on, and if you want it, tasksel makes it easy |
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| 15:44.27 | Nyle | I wonder if you can easily customize tasksel to a list of custom packages for each task |
| 15:44.35 | Nyle | well, maybe not easily |
| 15:44.39 | Nyle | but relatively without bullshit |
| 15:44.46 | hellues | !paste |
| 15:44.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:45.03 | Nyle | !tell hellues -about msg the bot |
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| 15:46.34 | Nyle | tes |
| 15:46.36 | Nyle | yes*, yes you an |
| 15:46.48 | Nyle | cat /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc |
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| 15:47.22 | S4nD3r | The dpkg is the best helper !!!!! |
| 15:47.34 | Nyle | well, thats easy enough man |
| 15:47.46 | theclaw | I'm using iwlwifi. When trying "ifup eth2", it responds with "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not supported" - and hints? |
| 15:47.49 | theclaw | *any hints? |
| 15:47.55 | Nyle | so you could create your own tasksel configuration |
| 15:48.15 | Nyle | put it into the source package, recompile/rebuilt tasksel, and put it on a custom cd |
| 15:48.28 | Nyle | or a custom d-i |
| 15:48.30 | S4nD3r | I can be good create you tasksel !!! |
| 15:48.35 | S4nD3r | **I**It |
| 15:48.36 | Nyle | damn man, thats fucking cool |
| 15:48.40 | Nyle | tasksel aint all that friggin bad |
| 15:48.48 | Nyle | its actually quite useful |
| 15:48.58 | Nyle | now that I think about it |
| 15:49.00 | S4nD3r | What about use dpkg --get-selection |
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| 15:49.15 | iateadonut | connecting to trackers but not peers in rtorrent. anyone have this problem before. |
| 15:49.30 | iateadonut | also, gcompris is great. thanks for the suggestion. |
| 15:49.39 | Nyle | iateadonut: proper forwarded ports? |
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| 15:49.42 | Nyle | firewall rules? |
| 15:49.43 | S4nD3r | Nyle: What to ask to dpkg to have answer about dpkg --get-selection anyway. |
| 15:49.56 | Kurt2x | man why do I keep getting disconnected when I'm away from the computer? |
| 15:50.02 | Nyle | !listvals get-selections |
| 15:50.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'get-selections' by value (4): package reselect ;; reinstall ;; debian clone ;; list all packages. |
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| 15:50.08 | Kurt2x | is freenode got some kind of anti-idle kick? |
| 15:50.12 | Nyle | !reinstall |
| 15:50.12 | dpkg | reinstall is probably aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 15:50.17 | suppaman | hello |
| 15:50.17 | Nyle | !debian clone |
| 15:50.18 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 15:50.22 | Nyle | suppaman: hi |
| 15:50.35 | Nyle | Kurt2x: no idea, ask in #help or read the website |
| 15:50.50 | Nyle | !reselect |
| 15:50.52 | S4nD3r | I need to learn to use IRC resources !!! |
| 15:50.54 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 15:50.55 | iateadonut | ports are properly forwarded. |
| 15:50.56 | Nyle | hm |
| 15:51.00 | Nyle | S4nD3r: right here |
| 15:51.02 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 15:51.02 | dpkg | methinks dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:51.32 | Nyle | there is also a web based frontend for dpkg irc bot to search for factoids |
| 15:51.41 | Nyle | http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 15:51.51 | iateadonut | maybe i should test with azureus or utorrent/wine (this has worked best for me in the past) but those are both huge loads on my cpu. |
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| 15:52.03 | S4nD3r | thanks ... Later I will read that |
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| 15:52.17 | Nyle | dpkg dpkg.web is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database by stew @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 15:52.17 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 15:52.31 | Nyle | dpkg forget dpkg.web |
| 15:52.31 | dpkg | i forgot dpkg.web, Nyle |
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| 15:52.49 | Nyle | dpkg dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database by stew @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 15:52.49 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 15:53.16 | ignu | As I mentioned, I am about to run 'aptitude install xorg fluxbox gdm' QUESTION: is gdm my best bet for whatever it does (as far as I have been able to figure out, it gives me a graphical login screen ... don't really know what else) ... does anyone think SLiM is a good, lighter alternative? I'm going as light as possible. |
| 15:53.23 | S4nD3r | Great, you are talking to dpkg... |
| 15:53.28 | S4nD3r | thats fantastic |
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| 15:53.54 | NetEcho | Nyle php isn't setup properly on that website |
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| 15:54.08 | Nyle | S4nD3r: bug stew *when he is here* |
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| 15:54.21 | Nyle | !seen stew |
| 15:54.21 | NetEcho | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 15:54.21 | dpkg | stew <i=1413@unaffiliated/stew> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 39d 14h 12m 5s ago, saying: 'bwwww: then key="volume.fstype" might not be matching'. |
| 15:54.32 | NetEcho | anyone know what might cause the above error? |
| 15:54.38 | ignu | or does anyone recommend a good (lighter) alternative to gdm? |
| 15:54.43 | Nyle | !b-e |
| 15:54.43 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 15:54.52 | Nyle | NetEcho: ^^ |
| 15:54.54 | NetEcho | thanks Nyle |
| 15:54.57 | Nyle | sure |
| 15:55.04 | putridp | ignu: do you need a login screen? |
| 15:55.06 | Nyle | ignu: xdm |
| 15:55.21 | Nyle | putridp: sometimes people on multi user machines do |
| 15:55.28 | Nyle | single users don't need it |
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| 15:55.32 | ignu | putridp: I'm setting the laptop up for my daughter to take to college |
| 15:55.34 | Nyle | but like to have it |
| 15:55.47 | putridp | ignu: ah fair enough. |
| 15:56.12 | NetEcho | ahhh much better |
| 15:56.22 | Nyle | !got milk |
| 15:56.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, got milk is Fuck milk, got Debian?! |
| 15:56.28 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:56.37 | NetEcho | lol |
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| 15:57.46 | Nyle | NetEcho: why do you think php i snot setupcorrectly? |
| 15:58.15 | NetEcho | Nyle the file assoc is screwy it asks the user to download search.php instead of rendering it |
| 15:58.30 | Nyle | I need to make aliases in irssi and links |
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| 15:59.59 | Nyle | NetEcho: no, it works fine here |
| 16:00.14 | Nyle | it doesn't ask me to download anything |
| 16:00.33 | NetEcho | it loads the main page but if you hit search it opens up a download for search.php in mozilla |
| 16:00.46 | Nyle | nope |
| 16:00.56 | NetEcho | try searching * |
| 16:01.02 | Nyle | http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=stoned&term=author |
| 16:01.12 | Nyle | I am, I have been, for months, years |
| 16:01.13 | jeffwheeler | There's no way to get wmv files to play with only main and contrib, is there? |
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| 16:01.22 | Nyle | jeffwheeler: contrib non-free |
| 16:01.23 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 16:01.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 16:01.39 | NetEcho | http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=*&term=key |
| 16:02.11 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: eh, okay; thanks; I guess I'll infect my system with non-free :) |
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| 16:02.57 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 16:03.26 | Nyle | NetEcho: don't search for * |
| 16:03.31 | valdyn | most wmv files play fine w/o non-free |
| 16:03.46 | Nyle | wmv is not a codec... |
| 16:04.06 | NetEcho | it'd be nice to see a listing of all entries tho |
| 16:04.17 | Nyle | NetEcho: there are over 30k I believe |
| 16:04.23 | Nyle | or close |
| 16:04.26 | NetEcho | lol |
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| 16:05.02 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: oh, like mov? I didn't know that. |
| 16:05.08 | Nyle | well not REALLY |
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| 16:05.14 | Nyle | its weird |
| 16:05.34 | NetEcho | jeffwheeler try VLC I think it can play most all types of vid |
| 16:05.38 | NetEcho | and aud |
| 16:05.38 | Nyle | wmv is used for a few diff codecs |
| 16:05.44 | valdyn | jeffwheeler: ms has release various codecs, all of which they store in wmv containers |
| 16:05.58 | jeffwheeler | ah, I see |
| 16:06.01 | Nyle | vmb is not a container either |
| 16:06.05 | Nyle | wmv* |
| 16:06.23 | Nyle | wmv is stored INSIDE matroska, avi, asf, etc. etc. |
| 16:06.30 | Nyle | as those are containers |
| 16:06.51 | valdyn | Nyle: wmv is a codec and a container |
| 16:06.58 | valdyn | Nyle: but that is different things |
| 16:06.59 | Nyle | like I said its weird |
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| 16:07.42 | valdyn | .5.1.wmv: Microsoft ASF |
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| 16:09.52 | devkid | hi, I've the problem that my debian on my vserver swaps too much, I already tried `echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness` but nothing changed (sry, I'm german) |
| 16:10.15 | valdyn | devkid: paste the output of "free" on a paste site |
| 16:10.25 | Nyle | devkid: say sorry to the jews, not us ;) |
| 16:10.32 | Nyle | oof, bad joke? |
| 16:10.48 | gravity | >.< |
| 16:10.50 | Nyle | ok.. nm |
| 16:10.53 | gravity | Not cool |
| 16:11.00 | Nyle | sorry |
| 16:11.06 | devkid | valdyn, http://nopaste.biz/36342 |
| 16:12.32 | devkid | after a `swapoff -a; swapon /swap` e.g. apache reacts much faster, but after a few seconds there are 40mb in the swap-space again... |
| 16:12.49 | valdyn | devkid: you are running a load that is way huge for your actual available ram |
| 16:13.09 | valdyn | 262136 swap used |
| 16:13.26 | valdyn | when you just have 98 mb ram |
| 16:13.33 | devkid | oh no |
| 16:13.43 | devkid | this is the size of my swapfile :) |
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| 16:13.53 | valdyn | devkid: err, sorry |
| 16:13.54 | devkid | 40mb swap are used |
| 16:14.09 | Spee_Der | Grrrrrrrrr |
| 16:14.11 | NetEcho | interesting my motherboard cd has vista drivers yet I bought this motherboard like 7 months before vista was released |
| 16:15.11 | valdyn | devkid: processes die when you keep swap off? |
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| 16:16.25 | valdyn | devkid: your free ram and the used swap seem to indicate that you are having double digit mb fluctuation in memory needed |
| 16:16.27 | devkid | valdyn, may happen when i use webmin |
| 16:16.45 | Spee_Der | Hmmm. How to firce eject when dvd/cd seems locked and not responding pleae ? |
| 16:17.07 | Spee_Der | My 40 r3 DVD-3 isn't good, need re-burn. |
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| 16:17.10 | wols_ | check what process has files onpen on the optical drive |
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| 16:17.19 | Spee_Der | ok wols, thanks. |
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| 16:17.26 | wols_ | close these files, unmount the disk and then eject |
| 16:17.36 | valdyn | devkid: you could use the swap prefetch feature and swappiness at a low value |
| 16:17.54 | devkid | the swappiness value is at 0 |
| 16:18.15 | valdyn | devkid: but probably you just shouldnt use webmin on such a system or whatever is causing that high memory usage temporarily |
| 16:18.35 | enouf | devkid: http://koltsoff.com/pub/zerotools/ for you? |
| 16:18.51 | valdyn | devkid: swappiness at 0 does not make swap being brought back to memory |
| 16:19.16 | devkid | valdyn, i know, i did swapoff and swapon afterwards |
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| 16:19.42 | valdyn | devkid: sure, but even after that something asked for more memory than you had and it had to swap |
| 16:20.34 | devkid | i don't think that something needs over 80mb of ram for such a short time? |
| 16:20.50 | valdyn | devkid: how would i know |
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| 16:21.08 | valdyn | devkid: try vmstat or watch what gets killed if you leave swap off |
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| 16:21.28 | devkid | valdyn, k, i'll do so |
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| 16:22.11 | enouf | i usually do echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches O_o (always sync first anyways, and i never tried with a vm though) |
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| 16:25.02 | Corty | anyone using synce here? |
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| 16:26.22 | amphi | !anyone |
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| 16:28.23 | enouf | hrm |
| 16:28.56 | Talemon | hey i need help |
| 16:29.02 | Talemon | can someone help me? |
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| 16:29.08 | enouf | ahh she's offline, likely out with the other bot chicks getting nookie |
| 16:29.12 | amphi | a trick cyclist perhaps? |
| 16:29.22 | Corty | Talemon, maybe? |
| 16:29.32 | amphi | Talemon: just ask your question |
| 16:29.39 | jim_p | !gnome |
| 16:29.40 | Talemon | i downloaded debian netint package |
| 16:29.45 | Talemon | netinst |
| 16:29.54 | Talemon | i booted to the cd but |
| 16:29.55 | jim_p | !gnome-core |
| 16:29.57 | enouf | (oh, btw, maybe it was echo 3 > .. i forget offhand) |
| 16:30.08 | Talemon | my keyboard is wireless and it doesnt seem to recognize it |
| 16:30.32 | Talemon | i can use my kb on bios but i cant in the debian install boot screen |
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| 16:30.38 | Talemon | any suggestions? |
| 16:30.41 | enouf | ~gnome |
| 16:30.41 | apt | somebody said gnome was a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or a spatial file manager |
| 16:30.57 | jim_p | enouf: thanks |
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| 16:31.07 | enouf | np |
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| 16:31.18 | pingouin | once you have change your locales, with dpkg-reconfigure locales, how to tell the system to know it/read it ? (something else than reboot ? ) please, thank you very much |
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| 16:31.53 | enouf | pngwn: touch /etc/environment? |
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| 16:32.11 | enouf | pingouin: i meant you , not pngwn |
| 16:32.34 | enouf | does 'locale' show the changes? |
| 16:33.13 | Talemon | so no ideas, i suppose i should find a wired keyboard |
| 16:33.34 | enouf | it wouldn't kill ya :-P |
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| 16:33.38 | pingouin | enouf: no, locale still show me the 'old' locales |
| 16:33.47 | enouf | pingouin: logout, login |
| 16:34.00 | pingouin | enouf: ok |
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| 16:34.42 | pingouin | enouf: good ! ;) many thanks :D |
| 16:34.47 | enouf | np |
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| 16:34.58 | andrej_ | hey! |
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| 16:36.35 | andrej_ | can does anybody know which packages do you need that the keyboard works properly ? or which conf file are required to edit ? |
| 16:36.53 | enouf | !keymap |
| 16:36.57 | enouf | oh, heh |
| 16:37.00 | enouf | ~keymap |
| 16:37.01 | apt | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (or in potato, /usr/sbin/kbdconfig from the console-tools package). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps |
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| 16:37.48 | enouf | andrej_: in X, use setxkbmap <CC> to change country code |
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| 16:37.55 | enouf | for X that is |
| 16:38.03 | AbsintheSyringe | debian testing, kde 3.5.8, out of sudden my knetwork doesn't show that I'm connected (I am), wireless working fine |
| 16:38.06 | enouf | ~drxx |
| 16:38.07 | apt | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 16:38.09 | andrej_ | enouf: that don't work ... |
| 16:38.09 | AbsintheSyringe | http://foolcontrol.org/img/knetmanager-eth1/netmanager.png |
| 16:38.15 | AbsintheSyringe | http://foolcontrol.org/img/knetmanager-eth1/netmanager1.png |
| 16:38.16 | enouf | do that for overall X config |
| 16:38.28 | andrej_ | enouf: reconfig x dont work either |
| 16:38.40 | enouf | ~doesn't work |
| 16:38.40 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:39.24 | xingu | anyone have a quick/easy V/U level monitor for alsa input sources? |
| 16:39.38 | andrej_ | sorry i reconfigured x but the some buttons on my keyboard don't have respond if i press on them |
| 16:39.39 | xingu | need to work out whether or not this damn notebook actually has a mic fitted |
| 16:39.40 | enouf | AbsintheSyringe: wait a bit, then if nobody can help - try #debian-kde |
| 16:40.01 | enouf | but give it atleast 5 mins or so |
| 16:40.43 | enouf | xingu: hrm, maybe xspect might do it - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xspect/ |
| 16:40.55 | AbsintheSyringe | enouf, k, tnx |
| 16:41.04 | enouf | xingu: there's arecord and play and speaker-test :-) |
| 16:41.14 | enouf | er s/play/aplay |
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| 16:42.17 | enouf | xingu: just a fyi, xspect there ^^^ is renamed xspect3d now, and will have 3d functionality soon - he found out after the fact about the debian pkg named the same |
| 16:42.21 | albertz | hi |
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| 16:45.24 | enouf | andrej_: why not? what kind of keyboard is it? why did you reconfig it? when did problem start? |
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| 16:45.52 | enouf | andrej_: is it a laptop with multimedia keys and stuff? |
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| 16:48.23 | andrej_ | enouf: my problem started a cuple days ago when i updated my debian ... it could be that i autoremoved some packages... my laptop keyboard has 6 multimedia keys but they never worked ... not even in xev so... |
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| 16:49.49 | enouf | is that what you are concerned with? those 6 multimedia keys? |
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| 16:49.56 | enouf | andrej_: ^^^^ |
| 16:50.04 | Led_Zeppelin | If a process is running and I suspect its hung, is there a tool to see whats its trying to do? |
| 16:50.43 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: could try lsof ... and maybe look at /proc/$PID/* |
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| 16:51.36 | enouf | andrej_: is it a laptop? which debian release are you running?? |
| 16:51.38 | andrej_ | enouf: no multimedia key don't bother me... but some key i need right to P key |
| 16:51.43 | enouf | oh it is, sorry |
| 16:51.49 | andrej_ | and right to L key |
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| 16:52.10 | andrej_ | enouf: i'm running debian kde sid |
| 16:52.18 | enouf | andrej_: are you sure it only happens in your DE? Gnome? try Console |
| 16:52.29 | grendal_prime | hey im trying to get a count of files in a dir..without having to list them all is there a switch that will aloolw me to do that with ls ? |
| 16:52.36 | andrej_ | enouf: not even in console |
| 16:52.43 | enouf | andrej_: go ----> #debian-kde, and don't run sid :-P |
| 16:52.48 | dutchfish | hi, after many hours of hairpulling with kernel oopses, i have managed to lock it down to this: when i start a networked app in a screen, after some time the kernel oopses, reinstalled dif kernels, but all the same. Debian etch linux-image-2.6.18-6-486[686], also on xen. I made a testsetup with btlaunchmanycurses within a screen. See: http://pastebin.org/21032 Can someone help me? |
| 16:52.57 | andrej_ | enouf: that was before sid |
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| 16:53.05 | enouf | ~bat andrej_ |
| 16:53.17 | apt | ACTION takes his mighty clue bat and whacks andrej_ over the head many, many, many times |
| 16:53.17 | andrej_ | so i upgraded to sid that that would work D: |
| 16:53.19 | enouf | heh, nice thought |
| 16:53.33 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf, nice, any more tools? |
| 16:53.38 | enouf | andrej_: must be something with X then |
| 16:53.43 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf, looks like its sleeping, while I see it in /proc/pid/status |
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| 16:53.45 | enouf | er sorry, darnnit |
| 16:53.54 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf, how cna I check what system calls its tyring to call? like a stract |
| 16:53.59 | enouf | if console as well, something more then |
| 16:54.11 | andrej_ | enouf: yes but what even if i change to englis keyboard same sh** |
| 16:54.14 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.22 | dutchfish | wols_, yup |
| 16:54.25 | wols_ | dutchfish: memory known and tested good? |
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| 16:54.43 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: well strace usually but not on an already running process, i don't thiiink |
| 16:54.43 | wols_ | can you reproduce the error without Xen? |
| 16:54.45 | dutchfish | wols_, exchnaged mem and used 8 dif machines for testing it |
| 16:54.54 | wols_ | testing it how long? |
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| 16:54.59 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: lsof and fuser is all i know |
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| 16:55.09 | wols_ | and how long tested with memtest? |
| 16:55.11 | dutchfish | wols_, till it oopses, within 1 - 5 hours |
| 16:55.13 | wols_ | int this machine? |
| 16:55.24 | wols_ | with memtest? |
| 16:55.27 | dutchfish | wols_, ? |
| 16:55.30 | LetterRip | hi all is there a way for apt-get build-dep to output all dependencies instead of just the ones i don't have installed? |
| 16:55.44 | wols_ | dutchfish: you test memory with memtest. not by using it with your linux |
| 16:56.15 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: if it's net app, try netstat -tunap as root - lsof | |
| 16:56.23 | dutchfish | wols_, yes, i did run memtest, but it would be almost a change of 0 when in 8 different machines mem got broken |
| 16:56.27 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: if it's net app, try netstat -tunap as root - lsof | egrep 'ESTAB|LIST' |
| 16:56.40 | wols_ | dutchfish: could be the mem controller too |
| 16:57.04 | enouf | LetterRip: all deps of what? se apt-cache depends pkgname |
| 16:57.08 | enouf | use |
| 16:57.17 | LetterRip | enouf thanks |
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| 16:57.31 | bjwebb | hi |
| 16:57.34 | dutchfish | wols_, sorry but i tested it on 8 different machines with all kinds of different hardware |
| 16:57.46 | enouf | ~tell LetterRip about apt howto |
| 16:57.51 | enouf | lol |
| 16:58.02 | enouf | [apt] i dunno what is 'apt howto'. poor apt |
| 16:58.06 | LetterRip | well i googled apt and depends |
| 16:58.12 | dutchfish | wols_, i can now reproduce it every time with a clean setup, so how to file a bug this way |
| 16:58.17 | LetterRip | and didn't spot anything releveant |
| 16:59.00 | enouf | LetterRip: apt-get install apt-howto |
| 16:59.12 | dutchfish | wols_, if i run the networked app NOT in a screen everything is fine |
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| 16:59.42 | wols_ | dutchfish: all etch? |
| 16:59.50 | dutchfish | wols_, yup sir |
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| 17:00.35 | enouf | apt-howto-en i guess you could just choose a lang like that - apt-cache search apt-howto |
| 17:00.57 | enouf | dutchfish: screen the GNU screen? |
| 17:00.58 | dutchfish | wols_, reinstalling 2.6.18-5-686 give less oopses then 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 17:01.05 | dutchfish | enouf, yes |
| 17:01.10 | enouf | ok |
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| 17:01.52 | wols_ | dutchfish: and other kernels? backports or such? |
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| 17:02.28 | dutchfish | wols_, so for everything newer then debians 2.6.8 does this |
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| 17:02.50 | dutchfish | wols_, my sarge machines are not affected |
| 17:02.51 | wols_ | dutchfish: what NIC? |
| 17:03.00 | dutchfish | wols_, a sec |
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| 17:03.15 | wols_ | oh I see, SIS900 |
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| 17:03.22 | wols_ | I type this on a machine with that NIC |
| 17:03.31 | wols_ | and I run my irssi in screen |
| 17:03.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.07 | wols_ | k7s5a, athlon xp1700, 256MB DDR, both ran -18 before and rigt now a .20 for months. |
| 17:04.15 | dutchfish | wols_, on this test machine atm SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (but i used other too) |
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| 17:05.39 | dutchfish | wols_, so you didnt update the latest kernel (vmsplice issue) |
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| 17:06.54 | wols_ | dutchfish: not so far |
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| 17:07.07 | wols_ | it's a local exploit last I checked |
| 17:07.15 | dutchfish | wols_, yup |
| 17:07.16 | wols_ | and I'm behind a NAT for a reason |
| 17:07.24 | wols_ | single user: me and NAT |
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| 17:07.39 | wols_ | so while it's important for debian to update, it's not so for me |
| 17:08.15 | dutchfish | wols_, so what exactly should i look for, i mean what is the oops related too ... userspace or kernel? |
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| 17:08.39 | wols_ | dutchfish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futex |
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| 17:08.57 | enouf | oh no3z, not futex |
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| 17:09.42 | wols_ | enouf: why? |
| 17:10.16 | enouf | just a self joke - it's fairly newer no? |
| 17:10.42 | wols_ | 2.6.18 apparently has it |
| 17:10.45 | enouf | i just recall reading about some uncertaintly, or maybe lacking docs a bit |
| 17:10.53 | dutchfish | i understand futexes are userspace right? |
| 17:10.55 | enouf | rusty? |
| 17:10.59 | wols_ | "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futex" |
| 17:11.47 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/robust-futex-ABI.txt |
| 17:11.48 | dutchfish | unless it needs arbitration ... mmmm |
| 17:12.12 | enouf | well, you might want to track back to .18 there ;-P |
| 17:12.22 | wols_ | enouf: he has problems with .18 |
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| 17:12.58 | enouf | i forget sometimes which kernel is on which page |
| 17:13.07 | dutchfish | hi, after many hours of hairpulling with kernel oopses, i have managed to lock it down to this: when i start a networked app in a screen, after some time the kernel oopses, reinstalled dif kernels, but all the same. Debian etch linux-image-2.6.18-6-486[686], also on xen. I made a testsetup with btlaunchmanycurses within a screen. See: http://pastebin.org/21032 Can someone help me? |
| 17:13.21 | enouf | i got many different ones loaded here |
| 17:13.55 | dutchfish | enouf, so that is why i find this very strange |
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| 17:14.39 | enouf | dutchfish: i really don't know .. i wish i could help - i'd be more of a confuser here |
| 17:14.47 | dutchfish | is there a maximum a userspace process can ask for more pages |
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| 17:14.50 | wols_ | dutchfish: have you removed Xen from the equation for testing? |
| 17:15.03 | dutchfish | enouf, no problem, thank you so far |
| 17:15.11 | enouf | ;-) |
| 17:15.11 | wols_ | of course there is a maximum. depends ont he kernel split set |
| 17:15.25 | wols_ | 3GBuser/1GB kernel is norm I think |
| 17:15.53 | wols_ | tho it seems due to the place it occurs for you it's 2/2 with yours |
| 17:15.58 | wols_ | check .config to see |
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| 17:16.08 | Chipzz | 18:15 < Chipzz> someone forgot his camera in the debian developer room at fosdem |
| 17:16.09 | dutchfish | wols_, yes, this test machine is minimal etch netinstall with only setup for networking with screen and the btlaunchmanycurses because it gives me an oops very fast |
| 17:16.11 | Chipzz | 18:15 < Chipzz> Kodak EasyShare ZD710 |
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| 17:16.13 | Chipzz | 18:15 < Chipzz> it's at the infodesk right now |
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| 17:16.31 | dirk_ | how much gb do I need for the root and partition? Ive 40gb total and have 1gb+256mb RAM |
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| 17:16.44 | wols_ | dutchfish: great but eliminate Xen from the equation |
| 17:16.46 | Spee_Der | Is there a problem with the Debian (Etch) 4.0 r3 DVD-3 md5 please ? I have burned two dvd's and can not add to repository. Both DVD's fail. I am re-downloading #3 DVD now. |
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| 17:16.57 | cht | how do I install debian on a head-less box |
| 17:16.58 | dutchfish | wols_, i did (as i tried to explain) |
| 17:17.00 | valdyn | dirk_: which parts are not on / ? |
| 17:17.10 | Spee_Der | DVD's 1, 2 & 4 were added no problem. |
| 17:17.23 | dirk_ | valdyn, /home and swap |
| 17:17.40 | valdyn | dirk_: probably 10G for / |
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| 17:17.42 | cht | or is it possible to install debian/or any other distro on a headless -box |
| 17:18.03 | wols_ | cht: yes |
| 17:18.13 | cht | how ? |
| 17:18.15 | dirk_ | 10 of 40 Gb for root? And for swap? |
| 17:18.18 | wols_ | !tell cht about ig |
| 17:18.20 | dutchfish | wols_, the testbox is a non-xen setup |
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| 17:18.22 | enouf | dutchfish: curious, what's your CPU? and Chipset/Mobo ? arch is obviously i386 (from your kernel), but is the CPU an AMD64 ? |
| 17:18.38 | wols_ | enouf: intel from the looks |
| 17:18.39 | cht | ig ? |
| 17:18.41 | wols_ | sis chipset |
| 17:18.42 | valdyn | dirk_: 512-1G is what i would do |
| 17:18.43 | dutchfish | enouf, this tesbox has P4 Celeron 2.4 |
| 17:18.49 | enouf | ~ig |
| 17:18.49 | apt | methinks install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 17:18.49 | wols_ | ~tell cht about ig |
| 17:18.54 | valdyn | dirk_: for swap |
| 17:19.09 | dirk_ | valdyn, thanks! |
| 17:19.12 | dutchfish | enouf, same with dell 2870, and some supermciro servers |
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| 17:19.33 | cht | ahh install guide :) |
| 17:19.36 | dutchfish | enouf, i am hard to believe this is an hardware issue |
| 17:19.39 | valdyn | digits: use filesystems you can grow / move later, like ext3, but you shouldnt need that |
| 17:19.41 | enouf | Spee_Der: i thought there were only 3 DVDs :-( |
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| 17:20.00 | valdyn | digits: ops |
| 17:20.03 | Spee_Der | enouf, there is a 4th. It is named Update. |
| 17:20.09 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm, ok, thanks |
| 17:20.18 | enouf | Spee_Der: i see |
| 17:20.24 | dutchfish | enouf, it came into the picture after last 2.6.18 security fixes |
| 17:20.34 | dutchfish | enouf, etch |
| 17:20.35 | Spee_Der | enouf, see here please -->> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 17:20.53 | valdyn | Spee_Der: why are you even using those dvds? |
| 17:20.57 | Spee_Der | The 4.0 r2 4 DVD set works fine. |
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| 17:21.15 | Spee_Der | valdyn, why not ? Is there something else i should be using instead |
| 17:21.25 | valdyn | Spee_Der: the internet |
| 17:21.34 | enouf | hrm, there were no massive changes i know of for the vmsplice security fix .. weird |
| 17:21.37 | deLiyurek | Spee_Der Kmsn La.. |
| 17:21.40 | cht | I don't have a monitor ..how do I install |
| 17:21.44 | valdyn | Spee_Der: the complete difference between r2 and r3 could be as few as 50mb for you |
| 17:21.58 | valdyn | Spee_Der: doesnt really make sense to download 13G for that |
| 17:22.21 | Spee_Der | Well, I need the CD's & DVD's in case someone her local wants to try it out and maybe does not have high speed service like i have. |
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| 17:22.44 | valdyn | Spee_Der: the first dvd is enough for probably 95% of all installations, i guess |
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| 17:23.07 | dutchfish | wols_, enouf mm... i can recall that on my amd64 machines i havent this issue |
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| 17:23.18 | dutchfish | only on 32 bit machines |
| 17:23.20 | enouf | Spee_Der: tried the sha1sum ? |
| 17:23.21 | Spee_Der | valdyn, I have scientific research projects here also. Some of the required files are spread over the first three dvd's. |
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| 17:23.43 | enouf | dutchfish: hrmm </me scratches head> |
| 17:23.44 | Spee_Der | enouf, I did not, but thnks for the reminder. |
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| 17:24.18 | deLiyurek | Www.cehre.net |
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| 17:27.46 | Arelis | dpkg is gone |
| 17:28.04 | Arelis | !dpkg |
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| 17:30.38 | Eulex | ~test |
| 17:30.39 | apt | Failed! |
| 17:30.39 | dutchfish | wols_, what libc6 version do you have installed? |
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| 17:31.11 | Eulex | apt is alive, though |
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| 17:31.37 | wols_ | dutchfish: sid's |
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| 17:31.49 | dutchfish | wols_, ok, wich version? |
| 17:32.07 | wols_ | ii libc6 2.7-3 |
| 17:32.15 | dutchfish | wols_, thx! |
| 17:32.18 | wols_ | I had various libc6 so far |
| 17:32.22 | wols_ | up to this one |
| 17:32.52 | dutchfish | wols_, on this testmachine using libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 17:33.07 | dutchfish | wols_, gone exchange that one |
| 17:33.15 | albertz | how can i see which files were changed/added by a package i have installed? |
| 17:34.10 | wols_ | albertz: dpkg -L |
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| 17:34.34 | albertz | wols_: ah thanks |
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| 17:35.04 | dirk_ | what is the consequence of choosing a mirror server when doing the netinstall? should I choose a mirror server? |
| 17:35.12 | dutchfish | wols_, looking good, running with 2.7-3 now, no oopses so far |
| 17:35.32 | wols_ | dirk_: yes you should |
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| 17:35.46 | wols_ | the mirror determines where you get your packages from |
| 17:35.50 | wols_ | you can change it anytime tho |
| 17:35.59 | wols_ | ~tell dirk_ about sources.list |
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| 17:36.40 | Wuju | Hello guys, I am trying to boot up the third hard drive which has grub in it, i am not sure if a chainloader is the correct way to do it. http://www.pastebin.ca/L4PWUQ3Z the password is "grub" |
| 17:36.42 | dirk_ | wols_, I want to install a minimal system... and install kde-core by myself and upgrade my sources.list to testing |
| 17:36.45 | Iceshadow | what is the package containing nmake as i would have to install it from aptitude? |
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| 17:36.52 | wols_ | dirk_: sure |
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| 17:37.06 | wols_ | you only get a package listing not any packages if you select one |
| 17:37.08 | enouf | Wuju: are you running Debian? you were just in ##linux asking |
| 17:37.17 | wols_ | just don't use tasksel to download anything at the end of the installation |
| 17:37.18 | Wuju | ;p ill leave. |
| 17:37.19 | salvin | ' is an apex? |
| 17:37.22 | Pretto | does anyone has successfuly instaled an atheros ar2413 wireless card? |
| 17:38.01 | wols_ | enouf: it isn't |
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| 17:38.12 | wols_ | Pretto: as a real question |
| 17:38.20 | dutchfish | wols_, so far no oopses, i am not sure yet but it looks like libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is the culprit |
| 17:38.25 | Pretto | wols_, yes... |
| 17:38.26 | enouf | wols_: ? he isn't i guess |
| 17:38.39 | salvin | what's the english name of '? |
| 17:38.41 | wols_ | apt: "yes" is not a real question either |
| 17:38.42 | apt | wols_: what are you talking about? |
| 17:38.50 | wols_ | salvin: apostrophe |
| 17:38.54 | enouf | wols_: i passed him a biscuit over there now though |
| 17:39.09 | Pretto | wols_, i just asked to see if someone can show me some direction on how to get it to work |
| 17:39.09 | salvin | wols_, thanks |
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| 17:39.16 | enouf | what? |
| 17:39.18 | wols_ | !tell Pretto about madwifi |
| 17:39.30 | Pretto | wols_, i tryied it |
| 17:39.33 | wols_ | Pretto: so you did ask auseless question and STILL haven't asked the real one |
| 17:39.41 | Pretto | wols_, sorry |
| 17:39.44 | wols_ | Pretto: google smart questions |
| 17:39.48 | nix_chix0r | owned |
| 17:40.16 | dirk_ | wols_ what does graphical environment install and standard system? |
| 17:40.42 | wols_ | dirk_: it installs a full gnome and lots of othre packages. don't do it if you want a minimal install |
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| 17:41.02 | wols_ | ~tell dirk_ abiut tasksel |
| 17:41.11 | dirk_ | wols_ ok, should I select nothing there, or only graphical environment |
| 17:41.11 | wols_ | ~tell dirk_ about tasksel |
| 17:41.18 | Pretto | wols_, when i do iwlist wlan0 scan i got wlan0 No scan results |
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| 17:41.25 | wols_ | dirk_: I already told you. if you are unable to read, it's not my problem |
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| 17:41.39 | wols_ | Pretto: ifconfig -a |
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| 17:42.02 | enouf | dirk_: i bet gui relates to Xorg packages and maybe more |
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| 17:42.39 | enouf | dirk_: you might be able to tasksel --task-packages <taskname> |
| 17:42.52 | wols_ | enouf: not really in the installer |
| 17:43.01 | enouf | right |
| 17:43.06 | dutchfish | enouf, wols_ thank you very much guys, i narrowed it down to libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5, i am not sure how to file this bug ... |
| 17:43.06 | enouf | udebs ftw |
| 17:43.24 | Linfreak | does anyone have i am in dire need of the kernel-headers package in knoppix5.1 dvd |
| 17:43.24 | Linfreak | <Linfreak> can anyone send it to me?? |
| 17:43.24 | Linfreak | <Linfreak> name of the package is linux-headers-2.6.19_2.6.19-10.00.Custom_i386.deb... |
| 17:43.26 | dirk_ | wols_ sorry, I didn t use xchat before |
| 17:43.27 | wols_ | dutchfish: better run it a night or so to make sure |
| 17:43.34 | dutchfish | wols_, aye sir |
| 17:43.43 | wols_ | dirk_: reading has nothing to do with using x-chat |
| 17:43.49 | wols_ | it's a skill learnt in elementary school |
| 17:44.03 | enouf | dutchfish: me neither .. excellent work on yours and wols_ part though - i did nothing :-P |
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| 17:44.10 | wols_ | Linfreak: this is #debian, not #knoppi |
| 17:44.11 | wols_ | x |
| 17:44.26 | wols_ | enouf: he did it himself |
| 17:44.31 | Linfreak | ya but u didnt answer me there :-( |
| 17:44.31 | bolt | !tell Linfreak about knoppix |
| 17:44.38 | wols_ | bolt: missing dpkg |
| 17:44.46 | bolt | O.o |
| 17:44.48 | Pretto | wols_, http://pastebin.com/m4f495fc3 |
| 17:44.52 | enouf | Linfreak: does knoppix even have headers available? lol Linfreak see #knoppix |
| 17:45.02 | dirk_ | wols_ you have to know what ! tell dirk about means and you should notice a new chat channel |
| 17:45.12 | albertz | arg, why is the sourceforge ssh server down now? :) |
| 17:45.12 | Linfreak | i m there too but no one seems to be responding |
| 17:45.18 | enouf | wols_: aye |
| 17:45.22 | wols_ | Pretto: do you use ndiswrapper? |
| 17:45.28 | wols_ | ~they don't know |
| 17:45.29 | apt | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 17:45.43 | Pretto | wols_, i tried it too |
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| 17:45.53 | wols_ | Pretto: I asked you something |
| 17:45.55 | wols_ | answer it |
| 17:46.13 | Linfreak | i m here as the last resort... |
| 17:46.22 | Linfreak | plz dont mistake me |
| 17:46.23 | wols_ | Linfreak: go away. you are offtopic here |
| 17:46.27 | Pretto | wols_, i tryied to make it work using ndiswrapper, but no success, so i am trying madwifi now |
| 17:46.35 | wols_ | we don't: you are not a debian user, goodbye |
| 17:46.38 | enouf | Linfreak: try ##linux |
| 17:46.46 | enouf | Linfreak: try #linuxhelp |
| 17:46.49 | enouf | both |
| 17:46.54 | enouf | and #knoppix |
| 17:47.00 | Linfreak | i m a die hard debian fan and my sys runs jus etch and sid |
| 17:47.00 | bolt | Linfreak: google is the first and last resort. irc help channels are what you use after googling extensively, before googling all night |
| 17:47.05 | enouf | and other netrworks |
| 17:47.27 | wols_ | Linfreak: you don't ask a debian question so you are not welcome here with your problme. come back when you have a debian related question again, then you are |
| 17:47.57 | Pretto | wols_, the unswer is NO, i am not using it, but it is installed |
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| 17:48.11 | wols_ | Pretto: use madwifi and try to use its ath0 |
| 17:48.13 | enouf | Linfreak: i have a win9 cd i can send you .. would that help? O_o |
| 17:48.21 | wols_ | Pretto: check madwifi.org first if your card is supported |
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| 17:48.29 | Linfreak | ok then here's my question in debian form... is there a kernel-headers package for kernel 2.6.19 in any of the deb repos?? |
| 17:48.30 | Pretto | wols_, yes.. it is |
| 17:48.33 | xingu | hmm, pita, alsa capture is being a total moo |
| 17:48.35 | wols_ | enouf: that's copyright infringement!! |
| 17:48.54 | wols_ | !tell Linfreak about search |
| 17:49.02 | enouf | wols_: shush! i won;t tell the NSA if you don't tell the Fed |
| 17:49.13 | wols_ | enouf: deal. but I tell MS. muhahahaha |
| 17:49.20 | enouf | haha |
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| 17:49.26 | Pretto | wols_, but there isn't any ath0, just wlan0 as you can see in that paste |
| 17:49.29 | wols_ | enouf: be afraid, very afraid |
| 17:49.42 | wols_ | Pretto: what drievr? madwifi? |
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| 17:49.50 | Pretto | wols_, yes |
| 17:49.55 | wols_ | check your dmesg and syslog |
| 17:50.05 | Pretto | wols_, ok... thank you |
| 17:50.08 | enouf | xingu: i guess my little blattherings mattered not -- alsa capture? omg |
| 17:50.09 | wols_ | Pretto: it's not a usb wlan, is it? |
| 17:50.24 | xingu | enouf: arecord I've been mucking with |
| 17:50.27 | nix_chix0r | enouf, wana know my evil plan |
| 17:50.31 | enouf | ahh |
| 17:50.43 | xingu | enouf: seems as if the audio routing is just screwed |
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| 17:51.40 | nix_chix0r | in theory it should work but what i'm going to do being the laptop has an extra slot for ethernet buddy has one he knows works . i'm gona boot off the flash, install and then recompile with the one that i already have on here with the crappy tg3 driver |
| 17:51.43 | nix_chix0r | phew |
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| 17:52.09 | enouf | xingu: hrm, got all your pkgs installed, modules loaded - dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base as a last resort (not even sure if it does anything anymore) - and lsof | egrep 'esd|artsd' to see if something else is hogging stuff |
| 17:52.11 | nix_chix0r | i was thinking about this when i went to sleep last night |
| 17:52.11 | cypher | how do you check to what packages are installed? |
| 17:52.15 | dutchfish | wols_, last q do i use memtest86 or memtest86+ in 32bit intel? |
| 17:52.28 | wols_ | plus |
| 17:52.36 | wols_ | debian should have installed it by defauilt iirc |
| 17:52.40 | nix_chix0r | hoi fishy |
| 17:52.43 | dutchfish | wols_, thanks again |
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| 17:53.32 | xingu | enouf: nothing being hogged; and yeah, far as I can tell it's all installed; playback is fine; just capture is bung. |
| 17:53.52 | b0xt | bye everyone. |
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| 17:54.33 | dryrot | how do i make debian work with two monitors ? |
| 17:54.41 | enouf | xingu: $ cat /proc/asound/* and $ ls -l /dev/snd .. and hrm with capture .. what is it? a Skype? lol |
| 17:55.41 | enouf | apt: say she's dead jim |
| 17:55.42 | apt | she's dead jim |
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| 17:56.13 | xingu | enouf: even arecord is mute |
| 17:56.14 | enouf | dryrot: xinerama ? |
| 17:56.38 | enouf | xingu: dmix/dsnoop are the tag lines there |
| 17:56.41 | xingu | enouf: fuser in /dev/snd looks fine, nothing blocking on the ...c capture channels |
| 17:56.48 | enouf | no JAck or PulseAudio in the way? |
| 17:56.56 | xingu | nuthin |
| 17:57.04 | enouf | strace the sucker :-) |
| 17:58.13 | enouf | what kind of capture are you doing? -dumpstream from mplayer? which app? live feed through mic? |
| 17:58.34 | roe | is there a debian distro tuned to running on flash? |
| 17:58.57 | xingu | enouf: arecord -f S16_LE -c 2 -r 48000 |
| 17:59.12 | xingu | enouf: -D hw:0,0 just for added flavour |
| 17:59.13 | enouf | try 44.1 ? |
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| 17:59.37 | enouf | no no hw0:0 ... use 'default' |
| 18:00.08 | enouf | not that i know what it's for, but does lshal | grep devices list /dev/adsp ? |
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| 18:00.14 | xingu | default gives me the thick end of nuthin |
| 18:00.26 | enouf | did you dr lsb ? |
| 18:00.29 | xingu | ie, it's not even streaming garbage reads |
| 18:00.43 | Iceshadow | what is the package containing nmake as i would have to install it from aptitude? |
| 18:01.00 | enouf | $ lshal | grep /dev/adsp |
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| 18:01.28 | xingu | enouf: nope, nothing bound to it |
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| 18:01.56 | enouf | heh- is AC'97 codec an issue? |
| 18:01.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.03 | xingu | enouf: pretty sure it's bung codec routing; reality vs rlc880/intel-hda mismatch |
| 18:02.15 | enouf | gAH |
| 18:02.26 | enouf | tried a .24 ? |
| 18:02.39 | xingu | enouf: yep that's what I'm running - 2.6.24.2 |
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| 18:03.01 | enouf | someone in another channel mentioned snd-hda-intel is fixed, better in .24 |
| 18:03.06 | enouf | oh |
| 18:03.21 | enouf | http://slackwiki.org/Dell_Latitude_D630_Slack12 that guy |
| 18:03.38 | enouf | iiirc |
| 18:03.51 | naom | hi folks |
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| 18:04.19 | naom | can anyone tell me how to put colors on the boot process? |
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| 18:04.25 | naom | like gentoo for example |
| 18:04.38 | naom | im running lenny |
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| 18:07.56 | enouf | thanks xingu $ arecord -f S16_LE -c 2 -r 48000 |
| 18:07.58 | enouf | Recording WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Stereo |
| 18:07.58 | enouf | RIFF$WAVEfmt »îdataøúÿû×ÿû´ÿûÍÿû½ÿû¢ÿ*û·ÿGûÄÿzûÉÿÝûÇÿ3üÜÿTüÖÿ_üÿ9ü[ÿDü$üþû9þû1þgûçý3ûþûþûþôûMþ¨üßþý9ÿìýÿäþ |
| 18:08.09 | gourmand | naom: bootsplash |
| 18:08.13 | enouf | how's that for gibberish |
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| 18:08.26 | xingu | enouf: yeah, mine stalls just before starting to read anything worthwhile |
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| 18:08.41 | enouf | i couldn't stop it .. almost ;-) |
| 18:08.45 | xingu | enouf: unless I point it toward say -D hw:0,0 or whatever; but I'll take a look at that... |
| 18:09.01 | naom | gourmand: but bootslash work with background images right? |
| 18:09.09 | enouf | xingu: which release? newest stuff? |
| 18:09.27 | naom | gourmand: i just want to see the text with colors.. |
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| 18:09.36 | xingu | enouf: sid |
| 18:10.09 | enouf | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/raw/916474 |
| 18:10.38 | enouf | xingu: lenny/sid mix here - old hardware (p2 350) .16 kernel O_o |
| 18:10.44 | spinodal | hi, the ehci_hcd module does not work with my external hard drive, and i want to blacklist it. i have placed the line "blacklist ehci_hcd" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-usb, but it still loads when i reboot. i have checked to be sure it is not also in /etc/modules. can anyone help me get this module blacklisted? |
| 18:11.05 | enouf | ugh |
| 18:11.20 | enouf | ~blacklist initramfs |
| 18:11.59 | enouf | spinodal: for kicks, not sure if it matters, place that entry in /blacklist too |
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| 18:12.17 | spinodal | enouf: ok, thx. i'll give it a try |
| 18:12.25 | enouf | spinodal: one sec |
| 18:12.51 | Ryan52 | !ping |
| 18:13.01 | Ryan52 | !hi |
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| 18:13.14 | enouf | she's napping |
| 18:13.23 | Ryan52 | heh |
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| 18:14.57 | ross` | im trying to add email accounts on my server but i don't want to give the users shells how do i give a user an account for just email disabling shell/ftp and anything else |
| 18:15.38 | Pretto | wols_, no... |
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| 18:16.37 | spinodal | enouf: 12:12 < enouf> spinodal: one sec <-- was there something else you were going to add? |
| 18:16.46 | pand0ra | Hi, In my .xinitrc I'm showing whos logged in and the temp(from sensors) I want to know how I could go about coloring the text outputted? How can I have this displayed LightGreen/ |
| 18:16.47 | enouf | spinodal: yes |
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| 18:17.04 | enouf | spinodal: sorry, thought the info i wanted to point you to was easy to find |
| 18:17.31 | enouf | spinodal: oh, run update-modules ! |
| 18:17.38 | xsdg | it seems that logrotate is only keeping a year's-worth of logs, even though I told it to keep 1000. Does this match anyone else's experience, and if so, how can I get around that? |
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| 18:17.55 | spinodal | enouf: oh, heh. thx! |
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| 18:18.23 | enouf | yeah, well, it says, obsoleted in my man page, but i'm on lenny/sid |
| 18:18.40 | ross` | im trying to add email accounts on my server but i don't want to give the users shells how do i give a user an account for just email disabling shell/ftp and anything else? |
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| 18:18.53 | [BT]JaC | hi there |
| 18:19.16 | [BT]JaC | when i go to my servers ip in http, it forwards me to the /apache2-default dir |
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| 18:19.23 | [BT]JaC | how do i disable that |
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| 18:22.32 | jim_p | hi. I just noticed that every ~20-30 minutes something is checking up my cdrom drive. It is turned on, the mount icon appears on the gnome-applet and if there is something inside it starts spinning. 10 seconds later or less, it stops |
| 18:22.42 | enouf | for x in ehci-hcd ohci-hcd uhci-hcd usbhid usb-storage ext2 \ ext3 isofs jfs nfs reiserfs xfs af_packet atkbd i8042; do manual_add_modules "${x}" |
| 18:22.56 | enouf | file:///usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions |
| 18:22.58 | mbroeker | [BT]JaC, edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
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| 18:23.26 | enouf | there's your ehci-hcd |
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| 18:24.00 | cahoot | jim_p: hal polling it? |
| 18:24.04 | spinodal | unfortunately it still loads |
| 18:24.14 | spinodal | ehci_hcd is invincible |
| 18:24.19 | jim_p | cahoot: i dont know |
| 18:24.19 | enouf | spinodal: one moment again |
| 18:24.32 | jim_p | it NEVER happens in windows though |
| 18:24.35 | cahoot | jim_p: laptop? |
| 18:24.39 | jim_p | desktop |
| 18:24.55 | jim_p | 600W psu by tagan |
| 18:25.13 | jim_p | if there is a power consumption matter |
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| 18:26.14 | maligor | you don't have any indexers running, do you? |
| 18:26.17 | dryrot | poor nina |
| 18:26.36 | jim_p | nope, i manually updatedb every 2-3 days |
| 18:26.54 | jim_p | maligor: is there something else that may index? |
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| 18:27.06 | jim_p | oh |
| 18:27.15 | maligor | Wouldn't make sense for hal to go around poll, shouldn't the cdrom drive provide media change events or something like that |
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| 18:27.31 | maligor | beagle, tracker, ect |
| 18:27.58 | maligor | Couldn't say why they'd go around attempting to index the cdrom |
| 18:28.04 | jim_p | no beagke, and tracker as in "bittorrent tracker"? |
| 18:28.23 | maligor | no, tracker the indexer program :P |
| 18:28.24 | [BT]JaC | thank you mbroeker |
| 18:28.29 | jim_p | oh ok |
| 18:28.44 | maligor | I have it running myself, seems to be better than beagle |
| 18:29.05 | enouf | spinodal: it's in your initrd that it's loading from - just trying to figure out best way to kill it there for you |
| 18:29.21 | maligor | jim_p, checked your dmesg or syslog for odd messages that could be related? |
| 18:29.28 | jim_p | plus SOMETIMES, after this stupid "check", the icon stays there on the gnome-panel mount applet and mentions I have an audio cd inside |
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| 18:29.44 | jim_p | maligor: can you help me a bit? |
| 18:30.05 | maligor | maybe the mount applet checks it? |
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| 18:30.21 | jim_p | can i paste 2 lines here? |
| 18:30.24 | maligor | I've never used that myself |
| 18:30.27 | Spiritus55 | I need a good VNC server, anyone recommend one? |
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| 18:30.35 | jim_p | hda: drive not ready for command |
| 18:30.35 | jim_p | hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
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| 18:30.46 | jim_p | hda= my cdrom drive |
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| 18:31.00 | maligor | well, try googling for that |
| 18:31.07 | jim_p | ok |
| 18:31.09 | jim_p | brb |
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| 18:31.32 | maligor | probably requires some obscure kernel option |
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| 18:31.46 | spinodal | enouf: i think i could put in a `modprobe -r ehci_hcd` in a boot script somewhere, but that would be annoying since it will happen after everything else loads |
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| 18:32.08 | n0mad | uuu so many :) |
| 18:32.18 | Spiritus55 | Anyone recommend a good VNC server? |
| 18:32.28 | [BT]JaC | TightVNC |
| 18:32.42 | [BT]JaC | BUT |
| 18:32.47 | Spiritus55 | [BT]JaC, I tried it, didn't work out for me.. compiling errors.. |
| 18:32.50 | [BT]JaC | i personally recommend |
| 18:32.55 | enouf | spinodal: i'm thinking more a boot param in grub like modprobe.ehci_hcd=0 |
| 18:32.57 | Spiritus55 | Unless you wanna help me out with the compiling errors.. |
| 18:33.03 | [BT]JaC | NoMachine |
| 18:33.09 | spinodal | enouf: ah, that's a good idea |
| 18:33.10 | [BT]JaC | NoMachine is Very good |
| 18:33.10 | jim_p | one more thing... the cd rom does not mount itself at boot and can me mounted my any user (as said in fstab) |
| 18:33.15 | Spiritus55 | NoMachine? VNC server? |
| 18:33.19 | [BT]JaC | not VNC |
| 18:33.21 | enouf | spinodal: but i'm looking at updating your initramfs correctly |
| 18:33.23 | [BT]JaC | burt very much like it |
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| 18:33.39 | Spiritus55 | Well, I need a VNC server.. |
| 18:34.04 | enouf | spinodal: file:///usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions show me how and why it's loaded - the line for x in ehci-hcd ohci-hcd uhci-hcd usbhid usb-storage ext2 \ ext3 isofs jfs nfs reiserfs xfs af_packet atkbd i8042; do manual_add_modules "${x}" . notice the comments above it |
| 18:34.20 | n0mad | server ? not player ? |
| 18:34.25 | Spiritus55 | server. |
| 18:34.33 | [BT]JaC | Spiritus55 X11VNC |
| 18:34.36 | jim_p | how can i turn dma on or off?? |
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| 18:34.56 | Spiritus55 | I'll check it out. |
| 18:34.58 | jim_p | one of the suggested solutions in google |
| 18:34.59 | [BT]JaC | ok |
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| 18:35.49 | spinodal | enouf: i see |
| 18:35.52 | enouf | spinodal: If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 18:36.46 | enouf | spinodal: run that AFTER doing what you did eariier - but this time try /blacklist.local -- again, no idea where all these freaky files are coming from |
| 18:37.04 | spinodal | enouf: much thx. i will give it a shot |
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| 18:37.08 | enouf | spinodal: my run that above means , run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' |
| 18:37.28 | [BT]JaC | how can i change the hostname of my server |
| 18:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spiritus55, now explain to us how you can get compile errors on a debian package, please |
| 18:37.46 | CharminTheMoose | what's the minimal needed to compile a kernel module? do I really need the entire kernel source or could I just apt-get the linux-headers package or something? |
| 18:37.58 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: headers |
| 18:38.00 | enouf | only |
| 18:38.07 | Spiritus55 | CutMeOwnThroat, I was compiling from source.. |
| 18:38.12 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: for any all in kernel tree modules |
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| 18:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Spiritus55, use the package, problem solved... |
| 18:38.30 | enouf | ~tell CharminTheMoose about module-assistant |
| 18:38.36 | Spiritus55 | I looked, and it didn't show up under apt. |
| 18:38.38 | enouf | ~tell CharminTheMoose about ma |
| 18:38.42 | Spiritus55 | Just the java package for it.. |
| 18:38.45 | [BT]JaC | how can i change the hostname of my server |
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| 18:38.48 | enouf | omg O-o |
| 18:38.56 | CharminTheMoose | milliamperes |
| 18:39.25 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 18:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, neither aptitude nor dpkg there? |
| 18:39.53 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: which module you m00sh? |
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| 18:40.18 | [BT]JaC | anyone, how can i change the hostname of my server? |
| 18:40.33 | n0mad | read manuall of that server |
| 18:40.37 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, mah good old e1000 network adapter thang. |
| 18:40.43 | enouf | [BT]JaC: man host? man hostname? |
| 18:40.52 | CharminTheMoose | gonna see if I can compile from Moose Linux.. |
| 18:40.56 | enouf | ahhh |
| 18:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | [BT]JaC, /etc/hostname ... and/or something else, which dpkg knows :) |
| 18:41.12 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: i'm pretty sure kmuto images do it |
| 18:41.30 | CharminTheMoose | kmuto images? |
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| 18:42.05 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.27 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: the .23 or was it the.24 goes into detail |
| 18:42.50 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: * etch-custom-1013.iso - kernel version 2.6.23 + experimental e1000e driver ... (more details) |
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| 18:43.33 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, cool, thanks |
| 18:43.42 | CharminTheMoose | how mind blowingly interesting! |
| 18:43.52 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: no prob m005|-| |
| 18:44.16 | HardDisk_WP | !info phpbb etch |
| 18:44.33 | HardDisk_WP | argh, how does this work? |
| 18:44.43 | HardDisk_WP | if i want to know what version phpbb is in etch |
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| 18:45.31 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, so just linux-headers? |
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| 18:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, he's gone |
| 18:45.43 | HardDisk_WP | oh, IC |
| 18:46.02 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: well, for kmuto, you d/l his premade linux-image and install it, it's a .deb, iinm |
| 18:46.11 | MZM | anyone running b43 wireless with WPA2 on sid? |
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| 18:46.26 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: it's like any backport basically - see backports.org |
| 18:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, "apt-cache show phpbb2" should do it... look for "Version:" |
| 18:47.07 | HardDisk_WP | i have only testing here |
| 18:47.25 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: if you want to try yourself - and you use a debian kernel (linux-image-version pkg), then yes, module assistant - his image should already have support |
| 18:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, and "/msg dpkg msg the bot" whenever dpkg is back |
| 18:47.55 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: but then you use the "simple sid backport" instructs .. ala; |
| 18:48.05 | HardDisk_WP | i found out manually with packages.debian.net |
| 18:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, ? if you run testing, you normally have stable+testing in your sources.list |
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| 18:48.19 | HardDisk_WP | who runs the bot, btw? i want to know where i can get its source |
| 18:48.25 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: ergo; First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 18:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, it's in debian |
| 18:48.32 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, i have only testing... |
| 18:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, search for blootbot |
| 18:48.39 | HardDisk_WP | should i put etch also in it? |
| 18:48.47 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: easy as pie ;-) |
| 18:49.13 | leonardo | hi, tried to install gnash on debian lenny by debian repositories, but this miss gnash-common. Is this a known problem or just happen with me? |
| 18:49.21 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, thanks man! oh btw, the next live cd distro i'm gonna do, which'll be more desktop orientated will be called after you! Sheep Linux! |
| 18:49.25 | enouf | ~info phpbb etch |
| 18:49.33 | CharminTheMoose | or Sheeple. :P |
| 18:49.36 | xingu | hmmmmm |
| 18:50.02 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: O_o |
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| 18:50.04 | Supaplex | !test |
| 18:50.09 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 18:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, I don't think it makes a (big?) difference... but you'd definitely see what versions packages in etch have :) |
| 18:50.12 | enouf | apt is now stuck |
| 18:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, test failed |
| 18:50.27 | enouf | ~find phpbb etch |
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| 18:51.03 | CharminTheMoose | Enouf Linux already! |
| 18:51.05 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, well...some packages arent in testing (vlc)...does apt use then stable packages? |
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| 18:51.16 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: \o/ |
| 18:51.16 | Supaplex | phpbb seems to be the 'we fix security bugs, not prevent them' attitude. |
| 18:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, yes, I'd think so |
| 18:51.32 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 18:51.48 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: Enouf: Linux Already! [TM] |
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| 18:51.59 | leonardo | hi, tried to install gnash on debian lenny by debian repositories, but this miss gnash-common. Is this a known problem or just happen with me? |
| 18:52.28 | Supaplex | ~why is gnash-common not in testing |
| 18:52.28 | apt | why not? |
| 18:52.30 | enouf | ~find phpbb testing |
| 18:52.37 | enouf | gah |
| 18:53.04 | leonardo | i would like to know why is not |
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| 18:53.10 | Supaplex | @why is gnash-common not in testing |
| 18:53.11 | ravenbird | gnash-common is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnash-common |
| 18:53.22 | leonardo | will see |
| 18:53.42 | albertz | i try to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage. at the end i get "gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available". why? |
| 18:53.58 | jetscreamer | you don't have that top secret clearance |
| 18:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, as I understand it, testing just contains all packages that were more than a fixed time in unstable, not necessarily a complete set of packages. So if something is not packaged after a release, there is no testing package of it... and hence "testing" really is stable+testing. But that's just what I figured |
| 18:54.07 | albertz | ah sorry i think i know the problem |
| 18:54.43 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: not necessarily, and many times just not |
| 18:55.12 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: well, the 1st half is pretty much on |
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| 18:55.34 | enouf | ~hug Supaplex |
| 18:55.35 | apt | ACTION sneaks up on Supaplex and suddenly hugs Supaplex tightly |
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| 18:57.20 | enouf | albertz: if you followed the "simple sid backport" factoid, that wouldn't happen (IINM) |
| 18:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, so... care to correct the 2nd part if you disagree? (I mean I know testing containst packages that have been in unstable for N days without bugreport - the rest just follows logically from that fact, I think) |
| 18:57.55 | enouf | you didn't pass dpkg-buildpackage the -uc option (and another one) |
| 18:57.58 | albertz | enouf: have found already the mistake, i just used the wrong mail adress. i am using dh_make |
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| 18:58.40 | amphi | albertz: -us -uc |
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| 18:58.52 | andrej_ | hello |
| 18:59.03 | albertz | amphi: but i want to sign the file as i want to upload it to mentors |
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| 18:59.12 | amphi | albertz: ah |
| 18:59.31 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: what i meant was; many times pkgs become old, broken , deprecated. .. so basically what comes from unstable is either a fork, a rewrite, or an entirely different pkg that might provide the same functionality an oldr removed one did, but it's better built, more secure, and a new name |
| 18:59.41 | andrej_ | does anyone know how to reset all the ethernet config files to default ? |
| 19:00.03 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: (concerning already existant pkgs, like in stable / oldstable) |
| 19:00.21 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: (but for some reason, were removed from testing) |
| 19:00.39 | jetscreamer | andrej_: yes, you restore that backup you made before you started messing with it |
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| 19:01.08 | enouf | albertz: whoa, seen the {new}maintainers guide |
| 19:01.16 | andrej_ | jetscreamer: where is that backup stored ? |
| 19:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, yes, but then there will be a "replaces" dependency which tells apt-get... so if you have stable+testing in your sources.list, you would get the testing package... right? |
| 19:01.36 | albertz | enouf: i am following this guide: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-intro |
| 19:01.42 | jetscreamer | andrej_: it's where you saved it when you created the backup... manually. |
| 19:01.50 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, now you're getting into mixing releases |
| 19:02.13 | Supaplex | @bobbitt |
| 19:02.13 | ravenbird | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. see also apt-get --force remove bobbitt |
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| 19:02.31 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: but if Both releases aer listed as default priorities, usually 500 then testing would supercede any stable, iinm |
| 19:02.35 | dryrot | running testing isnt going to kill me will it |
| 19:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, dont cite that usless piece of factoid, pls |
| 19:02.58 | enouf | andrej_: exactly why do you need to? |
| 19:03.15 | jetscreamer | andrej_: what you might try is figuring out which package supplies that and reinstalling with the confmiss idrective |
| 19:03.18 | enouf | dryrot: no, it's usable for desktop |
| 19:03.30 | enouf | or servers not run by n00bs |
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| 19:03.40 | enouf | not mission-critical though |
| 19:03.42 | jetscreamer | andrej_: there's also examples in man 5 interfaces, iirc |
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| 19:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, but there are/can be packets in stable that are not in testing, because they never became old, broken or deprecated |
| 19:03.54 | enouf | @interfaces |
| 19:04.08 | andrej_ | jetscreamer: my friend installed ppoe device and now he is not using it and the wants to configure other settings but the old ip somehow always shows .... he deleted pppoe and pppoe.config.... do you know what could be the problem ? |
| 19:04.17 | jetscreamer | andrej_: they usually just say allow-hotplug eth0 and iface something something dhcp |
| 19:04.23 | Supaplex | @be dpkg |
| 19:04.27 | Supaplex | !test |
| 19:04.27 | jetscreamer | !interfaces |
| 19:04.32 | Supaplex | meh |
| 19:04.33 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 19:04.34 | enouf | packages, not packets ;-) -- and huh? |
| 19:04.39 | jetscreamer | ~interfaces |
| 19:04.39 | apt | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man ... |
| 19:05.03 | Supaplex | ~be dpkg |
| 19:05.09 | Supaplex | humph... |
| 19:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, isn't that "wantnick"? |
| 19:05.35 | jetscreamer | apt was the usual when i first started /joining here... he got sick one day and dpkg just took over |
| 19:05.55 | Supaplex | I don't want the nick to change |
| 19:06.18 | Supaplex | afaik, it worked a long time ago. *shrug* |
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| 19:06.33 | enouf | andrej_: if he's not using the device, perhaps apt-get remove --purge <pppoe-pkgname> (perhaps) |
| 19:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer, hehe, you're saying this could be apts big moment? :) |
| 19:06.45 | enouf | @pppoe |
| 19:06.46 | ravenbird | somebody said pppoe was ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
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| 19:07.04 | andrej_ | enouf: we puged the files ... |
| 19:07.11 | xingu | woah |
| 19:07.22 | xingu | ok, handy thing for the day - lspci -k |
| 19:07.27 | jetscreamer | ~greet xingu |
| 19:07.28 | apt | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on xingu |
| 19:08.13 | Supaplex | lspci in etch refuses -k |
| 19:08.17 | jetscreamer | i wanted the ircdom one |
| 19:09.09 | jetscreamer | and i don't want to have to do the labor, when i move to my new house |
| 19:09.22 | jetscreamer | i hate moving |
| 19:09.26 | enouf | $ lspci -k |
| 19:09.26 | enouf | lspci: invalid option -- k |
| 19:09.31 | jetscreamer | least it's only the other side of the block |
| 19:09.35 | Rusty1 | works in sid |
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| 19:10.41 | jetscreamer | !wb Adys |
| 19:10.43 | jetscreamer | ~wb Adys |
| 19:10.50 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 19:10.57 | jetscreamer | ~die |
| 19:10.58 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 19:11.00 | Adys | hi |
| 19:11.22 | Adys | apt, hello! |
| 19:11.22 | apt | Howdy Bub |
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| 19:11.42 | Supaplex | xingu: what's lspci -k do? rafb.net/paste it :) |
| 19:11.46 | Adys | ~emulate purl |
| 19:11.46 | apt | Mwhaha, fear my spam! |
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| 19:12.01 | xingu | Supaplex: -kShow kernel drivers handling each device |
| 19:12.04 | enouf | nothing about -k in the changelogs either :-( Reading changelogs... Done |
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| 19:12.50 | enouf | nice Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel |
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| 19:13.03 | jetscreamer | so is -k a new alias for --some-kernel-thingy-directive ? |
| 19:13.04 | Supaplex | ouuu neato |
| 19:13.06 | Rusty1 | http://rafb.net/p/ULrV5o30.html |
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| 19:13.19 | enouf | lshal could show you a lot of that though lshal | grep driver |
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| 19:13.51 | enouf | though it's not a nice match as a result, like lspci -k |
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| 19:14.23 | Supaplex | sorta like my !pciid ...[xxxx:yyyy] ... factoid (too bad dpkg is offline) |
| 19:14.25 | enouf | i think hwinfo even shows the modprobe command explicitly for each device and associated driver |
| 19:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, seems now you are into mixing distributions |
| 19:14.36 | Supaplex | @pciid [0000:1111] |
| 19:14.37 | ravenbird | egrep -i --color `echo 0000:1111 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 19:14.55 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i have been on testing/unstable for quite awhile |
| 19:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, but you don't upgrade often, because that repeatedly breaks stuff... |
| 19:15.47 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: well, not lately |
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| 19:16.05 | danilom | WYSIWYG .tex editor? |
| 19:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, and would you agree one could call it "mixing", when you are on testing/unstable and have the lspci of etch? |
| 19:16.28 | dirk_ | where can I get a RT-kernel from for debian testing/ sid? |
| 19:17.19 | dirk_ | or is there a repo for it, from which I also can update it? |
| 19:17.24 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: funny thing, though when i did, yes stuff would break, but the fix is kinda like an art and very specific to each case, if you know your way around the pkg management and how things work and dependencies and suych, usually i can fix it fairly easily and quick |
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| 19:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | danilom, not really... lyx, there is something for emacs/xemacs that provides something like that |
| 19:18.00 | danilom | ok |
| 19:18.04 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: call it mixing? call it whatever you like - it's my box ;-) |
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| 19:19.17 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: testing and unstable still have many of the same versions of a lot of software -- and? are you now going to try and play den mother or something? |
| 19:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, was just asking in case you are one of the mixing-is-so-evil guys... |
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| 19:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I myself think mixing is just a way to test if the dependencies are all correct :) |
| 19:20.46 | talemon | hey how can i change my boot loader settings? |
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| 19:21.09 | enouf | i am - if said mixer comes back and whines like a schoolgirl (20% of unsuccesful mixers) - or doesn't know enough about debian and how it works (the rest - n00bs) |
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| 19:21.43 | enouf | otherwise, Shake-n-Bake babay! |
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| 19:22.39 | cahoot | talemon: looking for /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 19:22.58 | rektide_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thats not mixing |
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| 19:23.09 | rektide_ | the term for running multiple distros is pinning |
| 19:23.15 | rektide_ | you pin on additional repositories |
| 19:23.36 | rektide_ | i highly suggest reading up on it to prevent absolute and certain system death from lack of priorities |
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| 19:24.24 | enouf | whoa ... multiple distros? |
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| 19:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... debian and red hat? |
| 19:25.07 | enouf | we're talking "releases" |
| 19:25.31 | andrej_ | what could be the problem if debian automaticly force me some ip ? |
| 19:25.36 | enouf | and only people who know about pinning, do so - and even then it's tricky ;-) |
| 19:25.56 | enouf | @a25 |
| 19:25.59 | enouf | @z25 |
| 19:25.59 | ravenbird | as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 19:26.18 | enouf | well .. hrm, perhaps, perhaps not a z25 issue |
| 19:26.22 | rektide_ | its the same thing you newb |
| 19:26.25 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.43 | rektide_ | i used to pin ubuntu packages back when debian was minor releases behind on X |
| 19:26.43 | sepski | andrej_, perhaps read /etc/network/interfaces and man interfaces |
| 19:26.58 | Supaplex | Agiofws: nvidia dual head here |
| 19:27.05 | Agiofws | nope |
| 19:27.07 | Agiofws | fgrlx |
| 19:27.10 | andrej_ | sepski: where can i find the manual ?? |
| 19:27.11 | enouf | force an IP is odd - unlesss you never read whatthe bot told you about interfaces (the networking) and the pppoe factoid |
| 19:27.14 | Agiofws | fu.... king ati |
| 19:27.26 | amphi | !pal Agiofws |
| 19:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray... |
| 19:27.33 | sepski | andrej_, type man interfaces in a command line |
| 19:27.51 | enouf | !penixsmite rektide_ |
| 19:27.55 | rektide_ | is there a way to either a) attach a mouse to Xvfb or b) run a "detached" X that I can move between displays |
| 19:27.58 | andrej_ | sepski: thx |
| 19:28.22 | enouf | !be a reading barbie to rektide_ |
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| 19:28.33 | Agiofws | i tell you these drivers couldn;t be worse |
| 19:28.40 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 19:28.40 | Agiofws | can you believe i've had 20 reboots with ati... + lock ups in 1h ? |
| 19:28.40 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
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| 19:29.17 | rektide_ | girls dig turing complete bots, right dpkg? |
| 19:29.19 | enouf | rektide_: what's the same thing? |
| 19:29.28 | rektide_ | "mixing" and pinning |
| 19:29.34 | enouf | haha |
| 19:29.48 | Supaplex | rektide_: the kinky side of debian ;) |
| 19:29.49 | enouf | i got no pinning here n00b |
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| 19:31.46 | rektide_ | hm i guess i just need to try and setup freenx again. |
| 19:31.58 | rektide_ | this Xvfb crap doesnt seem to be viable |
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| 19:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | good idea... you could make a freenx package for everyone... several guys asked for something like that |
| 19:33.33 | saimazoon | Hello |
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| 19:33.52 | saimazoon | I was given an ATI HD 2400 graphics card, but after following the whole process pointed in their website, the card does not work |
| 19:34.03 | saimazoon | I was unable to find any information regarding this subject on the internet |
| 19:34.15 | saimazoon | So I don't have any idea whether this is caused by the card, or from a software problem |
| 19:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there are (unofficial) packages |
| 19:34.23 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to tell the kernel to re-scan for new IDE/SATA devices? When I connect my noteook to the docking station the cdrom drive isn't recognized until I reboot. |
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| 19:35.09 | rektide_ | yeah usually theres an unofficial release somewhere |
| 19:35.33 | rektide_ | they never seem to last more than 8 months though |
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| 19:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, come to think of it - I think the berlinos website had some also |
| 19:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | which was a different url than this: |
| 19:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freenx |
| 19:36.18 | dpkg | i guess freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
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| 19:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | vlt, I don't know if hotplugging works for IDE... |
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| 19:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hotplug |
| 19:37.49 | dpkg | [hotplug] a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 19:38.11 | enouf | vlt: try udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 19:38.14 | usser | what's the latest debian etch release r3 right? |
| 19:38.28 | vlt | CutMeOwnThroat, enouf: Thank you. |
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| 19:39.00 | enouf | vlt: another option is an echo to a certain place in /sys i'd have to dig out |
| 19:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | vlt, /msg dpkg udev also... |
| 19:39.35 | enouf | vlt: udevtrigger --verbose is another option |
| 19:39.36 | rektide_ | when i do a make-kpkg, if i change anything, i boost my --revision flag. make-kpkg throws some retarded error at me that its confused by the discrepancy in versions and is halting. given that i only enabled a single module, it doesnt seem like i shouldnt have to run a make-kpkg clean and wipe the whole kernel |
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| 19:40.04 | rektide_ | is there any way to rebuild the kernel and change the --revision of make-kpkg, without having to clean first? |
| 19:40.36 | DarthJesus | You Tube is down! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD aiieeyiyiyiyiyiyi. |
| 19:40.38 | DarthJesus | sup |
| 19:40.39 | enouf | you don't have to run clean if you don't make a serious error |
| 19:41.00 | rektide_ | the omission of a non-critical module is not a serious error |
| 19:41.05 | rektide_ | you are useless go die |
| 19:41.07 | usser | don't panic |
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| 19:41.19 | enouf | heh - nice try weenie ;-) |
| 19:41.19 | Eulex | *plonk* |
| 19:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | rektide_, isn't the version put into modules to make it impossible to load modules of the wrong version into the kernel? that would mean --> you have to recompile everything |
| 19:41.55 | enouf | see CutMeOwnThroat , this is what i mean by a 'whiner' ;-) |
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| 19:42.14 | amphi | rektide_: why not just make-kpkg clean? |
| 19:42.16 | rektide_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i dont believe modules are tagged by the debian --revision flag |
| 19:42.37 | rektide_ | amphi: because then i have to rebuild the entire kernel when all i want to do is build one more module |
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| 19:43.01 | amphi | rektide_: so what? it's just a few minutes, unless you have ancient hw |
| 19:43.03 | usser | damn debian feels like a breath of fresh air after ubuntu |
| 19:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, who - the youtube guy, or the kernel compiler :) |
| 19:43.22 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: spoilt for choice, eh? ;) |
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| 19:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, "lawl" |
| 19:43.55 | enouf | !sunday |
| 19:43.56 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 19:44.03 | rektide_ | CutMeOwnThroat: onfirm, the --append-to-version is tagged onto the kernel name, the --revision part is not |
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| 19:44.40 | rektide_ | amphi: depends on how big your kernel and how slow your system. my primary linux box is a 800mhz crusoe which i'm usually using for other things, a kernel recompile is ~3 hours and slows my system down enormously |
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| 19:45.27 | enouf | haha, i run a p2 350 and i compile kernels with no slowdown .. mwahahahah |
| 19:45.33 | rektide_ | and frankly the kernel compilation package knows how to compile only what is necessary, its just kpkg being special that prevents things from working |
| 19:45.33 | amphi | rektide_: ah - if you niced the process, you would probably have less slow down, depending on disk contention |
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| 19:49.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | 830 channels and nothing on... |
| 19:49.51 | rektide_ | and no youtube to ease the pain |
| 19:50.09 | eth01 | patience is a virtue. |
| 19:50.17 | xbaez | jeje |
| 19:50.18 | eth01 | or at least it would seem so in this context. |
| 19:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually wonder how life can continue in the US with the writers strike on... |
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| 19:50.32 | eth01 | !topic |
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| 19:51.08 | bkw- | how do I mime64 encode a string in debian? |
| 19:51.15 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: life without tv? oh, the horror ;) |
| 19:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, I don't have one... but heard ppl on the radio how "excited" they are about the new series after the strike is over.... |
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| 19:52.45 | Supaplex | amphi: no youtube *sniff* |
| 19:52.47 | amphi | pitiful |
| 19:52.54 | amphi | Supaplex: no flash here ;) |
| 19:53.00 | gerel | Hey, I'm trying to update to a kernel with the vmsplice() fix, what package should I try ? |
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| 19:53.11 | die7 | hi there |
| 19:53.28 | Supaplex | amphi: gnash almost works. *sigh* |
| 19:53.39 | gerel | I'm in Debian Etch |
| 19:53.52 | die7 | i'm looking for help by geting automtaix2 working on etch 4.0 |
| 19:53.56 | amphi | Supaplex: yeah, it'll be nice, although I don't actually miss youtube at all |
| 19:54.08 | amphi | die7: automatix is a horror |
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| 19:54.35 | amphi | !automatix |
| 19:54.35 | dpkg | automatix is probably a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). You SHOULD NOT use it with Debian. Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against it. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html |
| 19:54.36 | die7 | i know but i do not have mouch time |
| 19:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | bkw-, there is no mimeencode , but mimedecode... try that |
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| 19:54.47 | mbroeker | bkw-, uuencode -m test.txt < test.txt |
| 19:54.53 | die7 | ochh com on freinds |
| 19:55.00 | amphi | die7: read http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html, and be afraid, be very afraid |
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| 19:55.18 | Supaplex | !wb dpkg |
| 19:55.18 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 19:55.22 | die7 | im using debian and linux over 10 y , i just need solution |
| 19:55.37 | amphi | die7: I know nothing about automatix, other than it should be avoided like the plague |
| 19:55.39 | rektide_ | what do you need a solution for? |
| 19:55.53 | die7 | becouse i do not have time |
| 19:55.58 | amphi | die7: automatix is not a solution, but rather a raft of problems |
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| 19:56.06 | rektide_ | what do you want automatix for |
| 19:56.09 | rektide_ | "time" is not an answer |
| 19:56.17 | amphi | die7: then you certainly don't have time to clean up the mess that automatix will make |
| 19:56.21 | enouf | amphi: make allmodconfig ; done ;-) |
| 19:56.33 | die7 | i can not find what i should edit in distro_helpers.py |
| 19:56.42 | Supaplex | !tell die7 -about smart questions |
| 19:56.58 | Supaplex | context... what's distro_helpers.py for? |
| 19:57.02 | die7 | bescuse i have 4.0 |
| 19:57.13 | Supaplex | you already established etch. |
| 19:57.18 | rektide_ | he wants it for automatix |
| 19:57.23 | rektide_ | its some bullshit for automatix |
| 19:57.23 | die7 | yes |
| 19:57.24 | Supaplex | if automatix is your means to an end, what's the END |
| 19:57.29 | vlt | `echo 0 0 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan` if anyone is interested in hotswapping an IBM UltraBay ... |
| 19:57.35 | rektide_ | die7 shut the fsck up and tell us what you want automatix to install for you |
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| 19:57.39 | rektide_ | and we will consider helping you install that |
| 19:57.41 | amphi | Supaplex: weeping and wailing and ganshing of teeth, duh ;) |
| 19:57.56 | die7 | hahah ok dude , i do not need help tnx |
| 19:57.56 | rektide_ | but no one here is going to do anything but laugh and point at you if you ask automatix questions |
| 19:58.15 | enouf | vlt: echo - - - > works there too |
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| 19:58.26 | amphi | vlt: using ata_piix for the bay drive? |
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| 19:58.43 | vlt | amphi: Yes |
| 19:58.44 | Supaplex | we're at a loss to, die7. if we knew more about why you were using it (as in the task at hand), we might have a clue. |
| 19:58.49 | Supaplex | s/to/too/ |
| 19:58.55 | amphi | vlt: cool |
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| 19:59.55 | enouf | vlt: but yes, that's what i was referring to with the 2nd option i mentioned |
| 20:00.04 | die7 | like i say help not needed anymore, i hate pseudo geeks |
| 20:00.15 | amphi | die7: don't be a moron |
| 20:00.28 | die7 | ughh tnx |
| 20:00.39 | amphi | die7: "don't use automatix" is the best help you can be given at this stage |
| 20:00.49 | amphi | die7: you are free to ignore it *shrug* |
| 20:01.05 | gordonjcp | die7: "lol automatix" |
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| 20:01.33 | die7 | amphi: i think i do not talk any more at this point |
| 20:01.48 | enouf | vlt: curious, did you ever try the reload_rules? |
| 20:01.51 | amphi | suits me |
| 20:01.58 | gordonjcp | die7: whatever you're trying to install with automatix, there's probably a better way to do it |
| 20:02.09 | vlt | enouf: Didn't work. |
| 20:02.09 | die7 | oooooo myfuckiggod |
| 20:02.21 | enouf | vlt: and the 3rd option? |
| 20:02.42 | amphi | die7: everyone is wrong but you - what a high and lonely destiny is yours! |
| 20:02.59 | die7 | geeks and geeks and they noob and noobs |
| 20:03.03 | Supaplex | lol psuedogeeks vs automatic. oh the irony |
| 20:03.11 | die7 | if you think so |
| 20:03.22 | Nyle | freaks |
| 20:03.26 | amphi | !moron die7 |
| 20:03.26 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:03.30 | simonrvn | Supaplex: not just my imagination then :P |
| 20:03.35 | die7 | ccc |
| 20:03.56 | die7 | thank you amphi and others for so nice words |
| 20:03.58 | Nyle | wth is goin on here? |
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| 20:04.08 | gordonjcp | die7: what thing are you trying to install? |
| 20:04.17 | die7 | not important |
| 20:04.17 | Supaplex | Nyle: the book of Revelations in action. ;) |
| 20:04.34 | Nyle | oh |
| 20:04.37 | Nyle | damn. |
| 20:04.43 | helo_ | why isn't dpkg replying? |
| 20:04.50 | Supaplex | !test |
| 20:04.54 | streuner | in vacation |
| 20:04.55 | Nyle | dpkg: hi |
| 20:04.59 | Supaplex | maybe he's busticated. |
| 20:05.15 | Supaplex | @test |
| 20:05.16 | ravenbird | Yes, supaplex, you're still online. |
| 20:05.19 | Supaplex | yay! |
| 20:05.30 | helo_ | is aptitude clone instrs on the destination machine xargs aptitude --schedule-only < package-list; aptitude install? |
| 20:06.13 | gordonjcp | die7: well, in general, automatix is the wrong way to install stuff, and if you tell us what you want to install we'll tell you the proper way to do it |
| 20:06.32 | enouf | hey, if i watch all 3 movies of the Matrix Trilogy while driving in my car; do i get to call it the pope mobile? (why pope-mobile you ask?, because it sounds a lot better than automatrix-mobile) |
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| 20:06.40 | XzEn | Hello! ppl click here to make my city grow plz! http://xzen.myminicity.com/ |
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| 20:06.46 | wols_ | gordonjcp: automatix is the fast way to break debian. |
| 20:06.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:06.51 | Nyle | wth |
| 20:06.52 | gordonjcp | wols_: yes |
| 20:07.06 | gordonjcp | wols_: it really does belong more to the problem set than the solution set |
| 20:07.09 | wols_ | !ops please kline the myminicityspammer XzEn [n=XzEn@a213-22-231-49.cpe.netcabo.pt] |
| 20:07.17 | streuner | XzEn: stop that |
| 20:07.19 | wols_ | ~ops please kline the myminicityspammer XzEn [n=XzEn@a213-22-231-49.cpe.netcabo.pt] |
| 20:07.20 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please kline the myminicityspammer XzEn [n=XzEn@a213-22-231-49.cpe.netcabo.pt] |
| 20:07.33 | roe | is there a debian distro tuned to running on flash? |
| 20:07.37 | gordonjcp | we should make a "hammer myminicity into submission" script |
| 20:07.44 | Nyle | !usb |
| 20:07.48 | Nyle | doh |
| 20:07.50 | wols_ | roe: there is a livecd... |
| 20:07.52 | die7 | it's not a wrong way and it's easyer annd quicker solution for instaling some things like codecs and onother stuff, but like i say i do not need to fight here for my statement |
| 20:07.56 | wols_ | you can put it on flash too |
| 20:08.03 | streuner | Nyle: dpkg is in vacation..., just use ravenbird instead |
| 20:08.04 | gordonjcp | die7: uhm, not really |
| 20:08.04 | Nyle | there is a debian based linux dor usb flash |
| 20:08.15 | gordonjcp | die7: it tends to install a lot of very badly-packaged shite |
| 20:08.20 | wols_ | die7: it breaks your debian. as soon as you used it, no one in here or any debian related channel will help you anymore. you have been warned |
| 20:08.22 | die7 | a comm dude |
| 20:08.26 | gordonjcp | die7: it's pretty much guaranteed to break something |
| 20:08.26 | Eulex | die7, *shrug*, then go ahead and break your system. you won't get any automatix help in here anyway. |
| 20:08.45 | gordonjcp | die7: automatix is a pretty common n00b mistake ;-) |
| 20:08.47 | Nyle | automatix is ubuntu thing |
| 20:08.49 | Nyle | not debian |
| 20:08.51 | wols_ | Eulex: usually people on automatix don't get any help. not even in #ubuntu for their ubuntu distro |
| 20:08.52 | die7 | cccc |
| 20:08.52 | Nyle | why you are here even? |
| 20:08.59 | Nyle | beyong me, it is |
| 20:09.03 | wols_ | Nyle: no it's not. they target debian too unfortunately |
| 20:09.09 | Eulex | wols_, right |
| 20:09.12 | Nyle | oh |
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| 20:09.32 | die7 | what a time loosing diskus |
| 20:09.57 | Eulex | *plonk* |
| 20:09.58 | Alarm | hello, i want to buy a usb webcam , but i am aware of debian to be able recognize the device |
| 20:10.00 | streuner | yes, so feel free to leave us |
| 20:10.03 | Nyle | let him learn the hard way |
| 20:10.03 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 20:10.04 | Nyle | yo |
| 20:10.06 | Nyle | go ahed man |
| 20:10.07 | Alarm | or it wont be any problem with any usb camera ? |
| 20:10.09 | die7 | who are "us" |
| 20:10.10 | roe | wols_, needs to be a little more permanent than a live cd |
| 20:10.10 | Nyle | install using automatix |
| 20:10.13 | Nyle | we won't help you |
| 20:10.15 | wols_ | die7: this channel |
| 20:10.15 | gordonjcp | what would I use to chop a text file into 16-character blocks with a \n in between? |
| 20:10.20 | gordonjcp | cut? |
| 20:10.34 | die7 | 4 ppl are chanel |
| 20:10.46 | wols_ | die7: we are all regulars. we know the channel policies |
| 20:10.50 | Eulex | Alarm, find out the chipset use in the webcam, alternatively the driver needed for it. |
| 20:10.54 | Nyle | ~automatix |
| 20:10.55 | die7 | ahhaha |
| 20:11.07 | Eulex | ~test |
| 20:11.07 | apt | Failed! |
| 20:11.07 | die7 | and automatix2 thema is against channel polices |
| 20:11.12 | streuner | we should get rid of this troll |
| 20:11.19 | Alarm | any suggestions of an allready tested webcam / |
| 20:11.20 | Alarm | ? |
| 20:11.37 | jintxo | gordonjcp, maybe split, but don't know about the \n at the end (I guess you could always append it afterwards) |
| 20:11.50 | rektide_ | automatix2 makes your system no longer debian, and this channel is only for helping debian |
| 20:12.00 | rektide_ | go away already |
| 20:12.03 | Nyle | die7: if 4 people are convincing enough for you, then pleae feel free to ask this question in here from time to time. Sooner or later you will get kicked out. |
| 20:12.06 | rektide_ | we wont help you destroy your system |
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| 20:12.18 | Nyle | a/are/are not* |
| 20:12.47 | Eulex | Alarm, check out http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_a_webcam |
| 20:12.47 | die7 | you will kicekd me for what? |
| 20:12.57 | Alarm | thank you :) |
| 20:13.15 | Eulex | Alarm, (yes, most of the information is not gentoo-specific) |
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| 20:13.31 | Eulex | whatever you think about gentoo, their wiki is good. |
| 20:13.40 | Supaplex | Eulex: I agree :) |
| 20:13.52 | streuner | Eulex: i agree too, but... ;-) |
| 20:14.15 | helo_ | dpkg: you suck! |
| 20:14.18 | Nyle | a big but |
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| 20:14.49 | simonrvn | not all the articles are good, but they do have more content. well, one of these days the debian one will fill out more |
| 20:15.14 | gordonjcp | jintxo: split did it, and then a one-liner to recombine the files with a \n in between ;-) |
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| 20:15.23 | jintxo | :-) |
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| 20:16.09 | die7 | i using debian for over 6 years and do translating in my language but i feel shame if i read something like last 5 min conver , that is against brain and debian plitic |
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| 20:16.25 | die7 | *politic |
| 20:16.31 | sumfvm | hi @ll |
| 20:16.42 | simonrvn | your grammar needs work too :P |
| 20:16.46 | sumfvm | looking for help on B#sh |
| 20:16.49 | die7 | sure |
| 20:17.04 | simonrvn | i'm just teasing you ;) |
| 20:17.11 | rektide_ | we can leave out the language commends simonrvn, there's plenty enough to laugh at him for without being a moron that picks on people for not having english as their first langauge |
| 20:17.13 | die7 | but like u can read eng is not my mlanguage |
| 20:17.34 | simonrvn | rektide_: english isn't my first either. please be quiet |
| 20:17.45 | rektide_ | haha simonrvn sucks |
| 20:17.50 | rektide_ | english isnt his first language |
| 20:17.52 | rektide_ | what a looser |
| 20:17.53 | rektide_ | loser |
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| 20:18.15 | simonrvn | is that supposed to bother me? |
| 20:18.21 | Nyle | guys |
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| 20:18.32 | Nyle | please. |
| 20:18.59 | Spee_Der | Hey Nyle. When changing the cpU do I need also to change kernel to match ? |
| 20:19.09 | simonrvn | please what? you want something Nyle? :P |
| 20:19.12 | gordonjcp | rektide_: let's please not be so insular as to assume that anyone using English here speaks it as a first language |
| 20:19.16 | Nyle | Spee_Der: depends |
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| 20:19.21 | Spee_Der | Ok |
| 20:19.33 | Spee_Der | My K3B is writing awefully slow. |
| 20:19.36 | Nyle | Spee_Der: what do you have and what are you changing it with? |
| 20:19.55 | Nyle | Spee_Der: enable DMA on the burner? |
| 20:19.58 | Spee_Der | I moved it up to 2.66 from a 1.8 Ghz cpu. |
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| 20:20.14 | Spee_Der | My grub has added dma to start file |
| 20:20.14 | Nyle | just the cpu? |
| 20:20.21 | Spee_Der | Yeh cpu only. |
| 20:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you guys decide to stay off-topic anyways, we can also keep talking about the writers strike..... |
| 20:20.24 | Nyle | so its the same arch/chipset etc. |
| 20:20.28 | Spee_Der | Yes. |
| 20:20.30 | Supaplex | Spee_Der: which cpu's? |
| 20:20.31 | Spee_Der | Same same |
| 20:20.31 | Nyle | no need to install another kernel |
| 20:20.32 | teclo | Hm, hello, could somebody point me to some page about what kind of Debian installation you can do on very old and slow machines (100 MHz and such) ? |
| 20:20.37 | Spee_Der | Ok, cool. |
| 20:20.41 | Ace2016 | didn't the writer strike end? |
| 20:20.46 | Spee_Der | Pentium 4 2.66 G |
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| 20:20.58 | helo_ | is it possible to unschedule packages set to be installed with aptitude install --schedule-only? |
| 20:21.10 | Nyle | if your p4 supports em64t then try amd64 (64bit) |
| 20:21.20 | Ace2016 | i used to have a 90mhz system with win95 it was surprisingly stable and nice to use |
| 20:21.22 | simonrvn | teclo: ram is the key more than anything actually. etch has minimum 16 MB |
| 20:21.28 | Spee_Der | Ok, will do. Not sure yet. Need to read more about it. |
| 20:21.37 | [BT]JaC | Hi, My problem is, my website is in /var/www/vhosts/SecureShells.Net/httpdocs, but when i go to my servers ip, it takes me to /var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs. how can i fix this? |
| 20:21.38 | teclo | simonrvn: yeah I know RAM is the more important issue, yes |
| 20:21.39 | [BT]JaC | oops |
| 20:21.42 | [BT]JaC | sorry for bold |
| 20:21.47 | Spee_Der | If I use lshw will that tell me Nyle ? |
| 20:21.49 | Ace2016 | it was slow, and it was the first system i ever upgraded, 16mb of ram to 64, massive improvement |
| 20:21.57 | simonrvn | what bold? :) |
| 20:22.07 | Ace2016 | no wait it was 8mb or 32mb i think |
| 20:22.10 | Nyle | Spee_Der: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:22.14 | Ace2016 | yea it was 8mb, or was it 15 |
| 20:22.17 | Ace2016 | 16* |
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| 20:22.18 | Spee_Der | Thanks Nyle. |
| 20:22.26 | Nyle | Spee_Der: google and learn about the /proc filesystem |
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| 20:22.29 | rektide_ | [BT]JaC: what webserver are you using |
| 20:22.31 | simonrvn | teclo: i.e., that's the only real issue |
| 20:22.35 | Spee_Der | Ok, will do. |
| 20:22.38 | Spee_Der | Thanks again. |
| 20:22.44 | Eulex | Ace2016, with 32mb ram you'd be able to install sarge, but not etch, iirc |
| 20:22.46 | [BT]JaC | rektide_ apache2 |
| 20:22.52 | rektide_ | pastebin your config somewhere |
| 20:22.53 | [BT]JaC | but Plesk is installed |
| 20:22.56 | rektide_ | ohhhhh |
| 20:23.10 | rektide_ | thats a special special world you are in |
| 20:23.13 | Spee_Der | Grr, not in here, yet. |
| 20:23.16 | rektide_ | #plesk may be able to help you |
| 20:23.18 | simonrvn | plesk isn't supported here |
| 20:23.26 | Ace2016 | Eulex: that was over 8? 10? years ago i think |
| 20:23.32 | Nyle | hgmm |
| 20:23.34 | Ace2016 | omg i'm 8 years older |
| 20:23.35 | Nyle | no |
| 20:23.36 | Ace2016 | damn |
| 20:23.39 | gordonjcp | pleskfail |
| 20:23.41 | Eulex | haha |
| 20:23.41 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 20:23.44 | Nyle | Spee_Der: its not listed in cpuinfo |
| 20:23.47 | simonrvn | too many differences |
| 20:23.56 | die7 | now I go vomit , I come again if nazi kinds not more are there or sleep |
| 20:24.07 | Spee_Der | Nyle, I need to install cpuinfo, it does not come up in terminal. |
| 20:24.15 | simonrvn | Eulex: not etch you can, just more comfy with 32+ |
| 20:24.21 | simonrvn | Eulex: no* |
| 20:24.25 | Nyle | Spee_Der: no |
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| 20:24.28 | die7 | *kidds |
| 20:24.35 | Spee_Der | Ok |
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| 20:24.38 | rektide_ | i hoep you puke up lung |
| 20:24.40 | Eulex | simonrvn, ok, thought you needed 48mb for etch |
| 20:24.42 | Spee_Der | couldn't find package anyway. |
| 20:25.06 | Nyle | die7: rektide_: shut the fuck up already. |
| 20:25.17 | simonrvn | Eulex: not at all. sarge was like 8 mb, etch is 16 |
| 20:25.25 | Nyle | Spee_Der: its not a package |
| 20:25.26 | die7 | Nyle: you to dude |
| 20:25.30 | helo_ | is there some way to uninstall all packages that would be installed when typing "aptitude install gnome"? |
| 20:25.33 | Ace2016 | no wait it was 5 years ago, i remember 5 years ago, that guy tried to sell me xp for £5 if i went with the 300mhz p2 system instead, all i was there for was a couple of ram sticks for the pc i got out of the dumpster of this office |
| 20:25.35 | Spee_Der | oic |
| 20:25.42 | simonrvn | i suggest some /ignores |
| 20:25.44 | Nyle | Spee_Der: don't worrya bout amd64 |
| 20:25.48 | Eulex | simonrvn, oh, but I just checked, and the installation manual states 48mb |
| 20:25.52 | streuner | simonrvn: yeah... |
| 20:26.01 | Nyle | I don't think a 2.66ghz p4 prescott would support that |
| 20:26.12 | Nyle | well it does, and has, but intel never turned it on afaik |
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| 20:26.14 | Eulex | simonrvn, but perhaps you're not referring to the installation, but to the running of debian on one? |
| 20:26.14 | simonrvn | Eulex: yeh? i could've sworn... oh well |
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| 20:26.26 | Nyle | its only later version of p4 extreme that has it |
| 20:26.29 | simonrvn | Eulex: installation |
| 20:26.30 | Nyle | so Spee_Der nevermind |
| 20:27.10 | chemist | running debian on my slug but I want to recompile the kernel and I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/916623 |
| 20:27.17 | Spee_Der | Nyle, thanks. I'll keep digging as always...... Thank you. |
| 20:27.21 | Eulex | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html |
| 20:27.25 | mbroeker | [BT]JaC, http://www.onlinehowto.net/Tutorials/52/Change-DocumentRoot-folder-in-Apache-with-Plesk/175/1 |
| 20:27.32 | Nyle | Spee_Der: but whats the problem |
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| 20:27.47 | amphi | Nyle: damn, I was away for die7's incurring the wrath of Godwin ;) |
| 20:27.47 | [BT]JaC | mbroeker thank you |
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| 20:28.04 | Eulex | chemist, emh... linux-headers-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx? |
| 20:28.18 | simonrvn | "The actual minimum memory requirements are a lot less then the numbers listed in this table. Depending on the architecture, it is possible to install Debian with as little as 20MB (for s390) to 48MB (for i386 and amd64)." |
| 20:28.19 | war9407 | Have several servers, Slack/Debian, on a Debian testing box when I SSH to it every time I get a 5-10 second delay before it lets me in-- but the Slackware hosts don't have this delay, which option in the sshd_config is responsible for this? |
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| 20:28.36 | chemist | Eulex: it is a NSLU2 |
| 20:28.46 | Spee_Der | Nyle, well. Everything seems to be running so much slower than before is all. I had also to add extra cooling for the new CPU as it was sending many messages to root. |
| 20:28.48 | simonrvn | ok, i sit corrected |
| 20:28.54 | die7 | hugh like i allways say kidds and pseudo geeks |
| 20:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | helo_, haha... all the packages that would be installed if []... are not installed - so there is no way to uninstall them. as for unused dependencies, aptitude should keep track of them and suggest removing the packages anyways |
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| 20:29.13 | Spee_Der | I have fifteen desktops most of the time and each desktop has several projects working. |
| 20:29.18 | amphi | die7: wtf is wrong with you? |
| 20:29.18 | Eulex | chemist, you need the kernel source to compile a kernel, not the headers |
| 20:29.23 | simonrvn | Eulex: sarge's and woody's reqs were a lot smaller |
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| 20:29.46 | Eulex | simonrvn, 32mb for sarge installation iirc, dunno about woody, I never used it |
| 20:29.51 | die7 | i think here are some ppl that have problem , i do not dude |
| 20:29.52 | chemist | Eulex: what a plum:) thanks |
| 20:29.55 | simonrvn | etch's reqs is due to the 2.6 kernel IIRC, it requires a bit more RAM than 2.4 or 2.2 |
| 20:30.04 | vooduhal | Can anyone point me to docs on using debian as an iscsi target? I haven't been able to find much on google. Apparently my google fu is not so good. |
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| 20:30.34 | Eulex | Ace2016, two possible ways of getting etch onto a box with 32mb ram: either first install sarge and then upgrade to etch, or put the hdd into another box, install etch, then simply transfer the hdd to the box in question |
| 20:30.50 | Supaplex | or install more ram ;) |
| 20:30.53 | simonrvn | amphi: he's a wannabe geek so to cover that up he accuses everyone else of being that |
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| 20:31.15 | Ace2016 | i wish i still had that but i don't, not anymore, although, could you put sid onto say a wifi enabled palm or windows mobile pc? |
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| 20:31.22 | Eulex | simonrvn, yeah, and because the base packages are bigger, more ram is needed to install it |
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| 20:31.46 | amphi | simonrvn: ah |
| 20:31.47 | Eulex | is what I heard. |
| 20:31.47 | enouf | you can still pass etch the lowmem option IINM, as a boot param, but still, it needs ~48MB iinm |
| 20:31.49 | up_the_irons | greetings |
| 20:31.50 | Ace2016 | is sarge ultra secure now, since its sooo old, all those bug reports and stuff |
| 20:31.56 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 20:31.57 | up_the_irons | anyone know what program gnome uses to set up your fonts at the beginning of a session? I'm trying to run wmii, but the fonts for things like firefox, all gtk programs, etc... are too big |
| 20:32.14 | Supaplex | sounds like your dpi is whack |
| 20:32.19 | enouf | it'll just take a l-o-n-g time to install with all that swapping :-P |
| 20:32.20 | teclo | yeah Iw as thinking etch would not install under 48 MB |
| 20:32.23 | helo_ | is there some way to uninstall all packages that would be installed when typing "aptitude install gnome" on a standard install? |
| 20:32.34 | simonrvn | enouf: fuck yeh hehe |
| 20:32.49 | Eulex | oh, yeah, you might be able to install with less ram if you enable swap before the actual install |
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| 20:32.52 | ryty | helo_: aptitude uninstall gnome? |
| 20:32.53 | die7 | simonrvn: ohh i'm not a geek im just noob but i'm not brainless like some seudo freakks |
| 20:32.55 | ryty | lol |
| 20:33.00 | vooduhal | So any directions for doing an iscsi target? |
| 20:33.02 | ryty | not really though |
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| 20:33.08 | rektide_ | have we not learned that trolls feed on attention? |
| 20:33.13 | Eulex | ~tell helo_ about uninstall gnome |
| 20:33.27 | Eulex | argh, not uptodate db |
| 20:33.30 | helo_ | dpkg is dead :( |
| 20:33.32 | Eulex | &uninstall gnome |
| 20:33.33 | die7 | well "we" is big Term |
| 20:33.34 | Eulex | I know |
| 20:33.39 | simonrvn | rektide_: nope, we're all dumb and brainless ;) |
| 20:33.41 | enouf | might want to try and start with sarge and upgrade throught the net - i have a p150 that i just added a nice off-the-shelf PCI NIC to ;-) |
| 20:33.47 | amphi | die7: nothing wrong with noobs, your problem is that you're a deaf noob |
| 20:33.49 | die7 | i read just 4 morons |
| 20:33.51 | enouf | 10/100 even |
| 20:33.54 | rektide_ | oh i see were all psuedo freaks too |
| 20:33.58 | rektide_ | ah that clairifies |
| 20:34.09 | Eulex | helo_, you _should_ be able to just remove the libgnome package (dunno exact name), and that will remove 99% of gnome |
| 20:34.10 | amphi | suede freaks? |
| 20:34.12 | die7 | scribe to channel |
| 20:34.30 | Eulex | @test |
| 20:34.31 | ravenbird | No, eulex, you're not online any more. |
| 20:34.35 | die7 | *pseudo freaks |
| 20:34.36 | Eulex | @uninstall gnome |
| 20:34.40 | die7 | pseudo geeks |
| 20:34.41 | Eulex | bleh |
| 20:34.44 | enouf | @remove gnome |
| 20:34.45 | ravenbird | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 20:34.48 | Eulex | aaaah |
| 20:34.56 | enouf | bingo :-) |
| 20:34.56 | helo_ | thanks |
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| 20:35.09 | Eulex | sorry for the spam, someone should alias that :) |
| 20:35.27 | simonrvn | i would if i remembered how |
| 20:35.29 | enouf | i think it is in dpkg already |
| 20:35.42 | rektide_ | im curious why you, a self confessed noob, would assume we're all fakers because we wont help you install some dumb system that will take over your system and pretend to do a better job than apt-get |
| 20:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone should update the other bots :) |
| 20:35.49 | chemist | Eulex: do I just need to download linux-source-2.6xxxxx adn compile from that? |
| 20:35.52 | Oryn | anyone seen the new opengl stuff in xine? |
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| 20:36.09 | Eulex | chemist, yes. |
| 20:36.14 | chemist | thanx |
| 20:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rektide_, didn't you yourself suggest to not feed trolls? It's tiresome... |
| 20:36.19 | Oryn | serious eye candy |
| 20:36.26 | efaistos | anyone knows an alternative to windesign under our debian ? |
| 20:36.30 | simonrvn | it's simple to do, just do remove ! put @ or ~ or change /msg dpkg to /msg ravenbird or /msg aptitude |
| 20:36.36 | Eulex | rektide_, avoid feeding the trolls, please |
| 20:36.44 | rektide_ | yeah but i'm a psuedo freak i dont know any better |
| 20:36.48 | enouf | no it's not aliased in dpkg Eulex |
| 20:36.57 | die7 | hahahah |
| 20:37.01 | consfearacy | YOUTUBE IS DOWN!!! INTERNET IS UNDER ATTACK!!! |
| 20:37.07 | Eulex | ... |
| 20:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rektide_, so we're here to teach you :) |
| 20:37.09 | Eulex | enouf, yeah |
| 20:37.15 | streuner | use ignore |
| 20:37.17 | ryty | consfearacy: uhh, opened fine forme. |
| 20:37.25 | consfearacy | ryty, where you? |
| 20:37.26 | enouf | (i just checked - or at the source - but perhaps i'm mistaken about how the aliases and linking works ) Eulex |
| 20:37.41 | ryty | consfearacy: about 100 miles away from Youtube's HQ |
| 20:37.42 | ryty | lol |
| 20:37.47 | die7 | do not ignore me ppl that's hurt |
| 20:37.47 | Supaplex | consfearacy: their 'migration' plan turned into 'cut and run' |
| 20:37.47 | consfearacy | hmm |
| 20:37.57 | enouf | @permasunday |
| 20:37.58 | ravenbird | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 20:38.11 | Eulex | enouf, didn't say that is _is_, just that it should :) but it's no use until dpkg is up again... |
| 20:38.26 | enouf | Eulex: right |
| 20:38.41 | Eulex | because all the other bots sync from dpkg, right? |
| 20:38.45 | enouf | Eulex: can i PM you one sec? |
| 20:38.48 | die7 | if you ignore me (i talk abot this 4 poor ppl) that's make me happy |
| 20:38.51 | Supaplex | simonrvn: can't you reconfig ravenbird to answer to ! while dpkg is gone? |
| 20:38.52 | Eulex | sure |
| 20:39.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:39.20 | Supaplex | simonrvn: next q. will you please? :) |
| 20:39.20 | Eulex | or wait, I have to look up whether I'm authed, I may not be |
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| 20:39.37 | simonrvn | in process |
| 20:39.42 | Supaplex | kk |
| 20:39.47 | kanzure | Hi all. I just plugged in a second monitor to the back of my laptop. What config settings do I have to go through? I'd like to be able to add this second monitor without rebooting KDE/X. |
| 20:40.19 | itchi | Hi, after an upgrade, my fonts are ways to big |
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| 20:40.31 | simonrvn | !test |
| 20:40.31 | ravenbird | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 20:40.33 | streuner | itchi: gtk-based? |
| 20:40.41 | die7 | !test |
| 20:40.42 | ravenbird | No, die7, you're not online any more. |
| 20:40.42 | itchi | streuner: Well, it's a fresh install |
| 20:40.43 | rektide_ | how do i add this to sources.list? http://packages.debianbase.de/testing/i386/nx |
| 20:40.46 | simonrvn | Supaplex: ^^^ |
| 20:40.50 | Supaplex | yay! |
| 20:40.55 | rektide_ | apt-get keeps munging the name and throwing binary-i386 into the path |
| 20:41.06 | streuner | itchi: use gtk-change fonts of gnome or such |
| 20:41.41 | streuner | !info gtk-chtheme |
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| 20:41.50 | Supaplex | kanzure: afaik, there's no way to do that. |
| 20:41.52 | itchi | dpkg is with holiday |
| 20:41.57 | simonrvn | every once in a while i update the factoids or add new ones, so not so stale, but i'm not on irc all the time, contrary to appearances ;) |
| 20:41.59 | kanzure | Supaplex: Sucks. |
| 20:42.08 | kanzure | Supaplex: I have about 50 windows open. I do *not* want to restart all of these programs. |
| 20:42.09 | ravenbird | gtk-chtheme: (GTK+ 2.0 theme changer and previewer utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 20:42.36 | die7 | !test |
| 20:42.37 | ravenbird | Yes, die7, you're still online. |
| 20:42.39 | Eulex | kanzure, what X driver are you using? |
| 20:42.44 | simonrvn | note that ravenbird tracks powerpc and not i386 |
| 20:42.54 | kanzure | Eulex: I have no idea. How can I check? |
| 20:43.01 | die7 | ok, can someone help me with automatix2 or not :) |
| 20:43.05 | Eulex | kanzure, you look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:43.15 | streuner | simonrvn: didnt know that, but this tool is in i386 as well |
| 20:43.23 | ryty | die7: as I recall, "not" |
| 20:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryty, s/,/emphatically,/ |
| 20:44.02 | Eulex | kanzure, you can do this (enable a second monitor) either if your driver is xrandr 1.2-capable or you use a proprietary driver that has it's own tools to do so. |
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| 20:44.10 | die7 | haha that was jut a joke |
| 20:44.17 | simonrvn | yes, just things like microcode.ctl and such arch-specific stuff won't be findable |
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| 20:44.24 | kanzure | Eulex: ATI Tech Inc RV350 Radeon 9600 |
| 20:44.30 | itchi | simonrvn: The fonts are to big on gdm and even when i log in fluxbox |
| 20:44.41 | Eulex | kanzure, that's your graphics card, what does the Driver line say? |
| 20:44.42 | itchi | I guess arround 42 or somethings like that |
| 20:44.50 | simonrvn | itchi: you tracking what? etch, lenny, sid? |
| 20:44.51 | kanzure | Eulex: "ati" |
| 20:44.56 | itchi | simonrvn: lenny |
| 20:45.00 | Eulex | kanzure, sorry, you're out of luck |
| 20:45.18 | Eulex | I believe. |
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| 20:45.37 | itchi | simonrvn: But got the same problem in sid |
| 20:45.39 | kanzure | Eulex: I plugged in the second monitor and it's currently displaying this screen. So, it's working at least, though not configured properly. |
| 20:45.47 | itchi | simonrvn: With a fresh home, still the same |
| 20:45.51 | Supaplex | kanzure: you could start a second instance until you know it's working right. |
| 20:45.56 | simonrvn | itchi: what's ps auxw | grep bin/X spit out? i run mine with -dpi 75 |
| 20:46.01 | kanzure | Supaplex: that's an interesting idea |
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| 20:46.13 | kanzure | Supaplex: How can I do that? I always thought xserver was a "one per machine" proc |
| 20:46.24 | simonrvn | nope, per vt |
| 20:46.28 | Supaplex | I forget :) |
| 20:46.33 | kanzure | so how would I do that? |
| 20:46.35 | simonrvn | startx -- :1 |
| 20:46.36 | Supaplex | startx -- :1 or something? |
| 20:46.37 | itchi | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/49851 |
| 20:46.39 | kanzure | okay |
| 20:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 20:46.43 | Eulex | kanzure, it's not, but only one can do 3d acceleration currently |
| 20:46.51 | kanzure | ah, not a big problem :) |
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| 20:47.25 | enouf | kanzure: see if xrandr can help |
| 20:47.46 | Supaplex | kanzure: two tips. make a backup of your xorg.conf, and though not normally advised, start as root or some other user so your sessions don't collide (stuff like iceweasel might get annoyed and ask for a new profile while the existing one is in use). just for texting mind you. |
| 20:47.47 | kanzure | uhh |
| 20:47.50 | kanzure | it then shut down |
| 20:48.20 | Supaplex | did you startx from a console tty? not in x right? |
| 20:48.24 | simonrvn | itchi: add that -dpi XX to it, in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 20:48.24 | kanzure | heh, oops :) |
| 20:48.31 | enouf | kanzure: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 20:48.39 | kanzure | enouf: yeah, I've been reading that in the background |
| 20:48.40 | simonrvn | itchi: decent values are 75 and 100 |
| 20:48.42 | kanzure | but 'ati' is not supported IIRC |
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| 20:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, ?? you can do the startx -- :1 easily from an xterm within X... there's no problem with that |
| 20:49.14 | eth01 | hmm, dig? |
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| 20:49.48 | dutchfish | wols_, this is what is causing my trouble: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460226 |
| 20:49.54 | kanzure | and now I have two different x sessions running |
| 20:49.57 | kanzure | one with gnome and the other with KDE |
| 20:50.03 | eth01 | whats dig again? |
| 20:50.03 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: never tried it :) just assumed it would not work *shrug* |
| 20:50.06 | eth01 | (package) |
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| 20:50.13 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: that's cool though. |
| 20:50.14 | streuner | dnsutils |
| 20:50.16 | enouf | kde can easily fire up more Xservers with it's kmenu > switch user > start new session , which fires up on F8 |
| 20:50.18 | eth01 | ty |
| 20:50.18 | itchi | simonrvn: That file contains exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 20:50.25 | simonrvn | itchi: this is mine, configured via gdmsetup: /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 vt7 -dpi 75 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp |
| 20:50.33 | kanzure | woah, I was about to say "hi eth01" -- but then I realized that I know eth01 from the port on my computer ... not in person ... err. |
| 20:50.36 | simonrvn | itchi: change the 100 to 75 |
| 20:50.41 | enouf | F9, F10, etc |
| 20:51.18 | streuner | eth01: just use /bin/dig or such for apt-file search (less results) |
| 20:51.30 | itchi | simonrvn: Still same problem after restarting gdm |
| 20:51.34 | simonrvn | itchi: i just added the "vt7 -dpi 75" to it, that's all |
| 20:51.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, I wonder... why did you assume that? :) |
| 20:51.48 | simonrvn | itchi: you'll need to edit gdm's conf |
| 20:51.59 | kanzure | enouf: yeah, xrandr requires a reboot of x |
| 20:52.05 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought it had something to do with /dev/tty *shrug* |
| 20:52.13 | Supaplex | no matter |
| 20:52.17 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 20:52.28 | enouf | night |
| 20:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, see, now you can start a 3rd X session with ratpoison or something :) |
| 20:52.46 | kanzure | So now I have screen 7 as the x session w/ kde and screen 8 as another x session with gnome. The |
| 20:52.47 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, I get X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 20:52.57 | enouf | @Xession |
| 20:53.02 | simonrvn | same args, "startx -- :2" instead of :1 |
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| 20:53.05 | enouf | @xsession |
| 20:53.10 | streuner | enouf: ! |
| 20:53.12 | kanzure | How do I now make the second monitor only display the second xsession? |
| 20:53.13 | enouf | ok |
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| 20:53.18 | simonrvn | use ! |
| 20:53.21 | streuner | enouf: simonrvn just change it to ! |
| 20:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, you don't get that on the console? |
| 20:53.25 | die7 | ok i solve the issue with automatix2, i just add debian_version to check script, if somone from geeks need help i can help |
| 20:53.29 | Supaplex | nope |
| 20:53.31 | enouf | doh!@ |
| 20:53.37 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:53.37 | enouf | !xsession |
| 20:53.37 | ravenbird | ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\n. $HOME/.bash_profile\n. $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 20:53.44 | enouf | !dpi |
| 20:53.53 | enouf | er |
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| 20:54.13 | simonrvn | oh, dpkg will be back soon |
| 20:54.19 | streuner | yeah |
| 20:54.21 | simonrvn | debhelper's back |
| 20:54.25 | enouf | oh, some are non-existant |
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| 20:54.33 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: there's some auth'd users, where 'console' is anyone logging in from /dev/tty |
| 20:54.36 | enouf | i see, you just altered the shebang |
| 20:54.43 | Supaplex | !test |
| 20:54.43 | ravenbird | No, supaplex, you're not online any more. |
| 20:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, uh, there is a simple way to allow all users to start X and I did that, but forgot the file |
| 20:55.03 | streuner | Supaplex: wait, he need to restart the bot |
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| 20:55.22 | enouf | itchi: when you can, "/msg dpkg dpi" |
| 20:55.26 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 20:55.33 | itchi | enouf: ok, thanks |
| 20:55.34 | enouf | right |
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| 20:55.42 | simonrvn | @tell datachild -about root |
| 20:55.49 | itchi | I don't know if this will be usefull, but with xdm, i got the same problem |
| 20:55.50 | enouf | man Xwrapper.config |
| 20:56.01 | enouf | not you necessarily itchi |
| 20:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, and I don't see why a user on X using :0 shouldn't be authed as well... but I guess that's just one of these things :) |
| 20:56.15 | enouf | itchi: not sure |
| 20:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, yes, that was it :) |
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| 20:57.02 | enouf | i was just looking at that file, the ssh-agent and dbus stuff |
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| 20:58.04 | simonrvn | the default is to audit for mit magic cookies and such, you have to explicitly turn that off |
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| 20:58.42 | itchi | Did you all got the same dpi trouble? |
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| 20:58.54 | simonrvn | used to, until i fixed it ;) |
| 20:58.55 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: something like sudo sed -i.bak s/allowed_users=/allowed_users=$(whoami),/ /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config :) |
| 20:58.57 | Crocodile | any sendmail gurus around? |
| 20:59.07 | itchi | Well, i'm still stuck :-p |
| 20:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, or "anybody" :) |
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| 20:59.48 | simonrvn | allowed_users=console; dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 20:59.52 | simonrvn | /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 21:00.05 | Supaplex | Crocodile: metaquestion for the fail. |
| 21:00.25 | enouf | itchi: while you're waiting ;-) .. here, do this; rgrep -i xsession /etc/X11 <--learn about your X ;-) |
| 21:00.31 | Supaplex | ravenbird: anyone |
| 21:00.31 | ravenbird | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:00.53 | cizzi | when i try to use "talk <username>" i get "Error on read from talk daemon: Connection refused" |
| 21:01.02 | itchi | enouf: ok, thanks |
| 21:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Crocodile, yes, I think they hang out in #sendmail |
| 21:01.18 | ktwilight | is there a difference in kernel code between debian stock and the original? |
| 21:01.29 | ktwilight | itchi, simonrvn also gave you a fix ;) |
| 21:01.31 | streuner | sure |
| 21:01.37 | streuner | ktwilight: read changelog |
| 21:01.39 | enouf | itchi: your DM files are likely in /etc/kde3, /etc/kdm (kdm) - /etc/gdm (gdm) amd who knows |
| 21:01.46 | ktwilight | streuner, ah *goes read* |
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| 21:02.15 | itchi | ktwilight: Well, tried it but no changes :-( |
| 21:02.36 | Crocodile | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll give it a try |
| 21:02.45 | Ace2016 | meh, i didn't update for one week now i have 888mb of uploads, although i like how its 888 |
| 21:02.50 | enouf | itchi: rgrep -l xsession /etc/X11 <--will just list the files so you can then just less/view/cat them (or a file viewer or browser even) |
| 21:02.56 | itchi | ktwilight: Bad, are you not a bit ill? Shitty hamburgers at the fosdem. |
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| 21:03.13 | ktwilight | streuner, but those changes aren't in the upstream? or...? |
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| 21:03.31 | ktwilight | itchi, haha nah, no problem for me. :) i'm very tired though |
| 21:03.35 | kanzure | so uhh |
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| 21:03.38 | kanzure | how is this supposed to work |
| 21:03.39 | itchi | ktwilight: Yeah :-p |
| 21:03.39 | enouf | debian stock and what? |
| 21:03.42 | kanzure | I do not want to reboot. |
| 21:03.52 | ktwilight | kanzure, ? |
| 21:04.03 | itchi | ktwilight: That font problem is also on lenny, just reinstalled the laptop |
| 21:04.19 | kanzure | ktwilight: I am trying to do dual monitors. I have 50 windows open right now. I do not want to have to reboot x. |
| 21:04.22 | ktwilight | itchi, i have no problem :) maybe 'cuz i don't use *dm? |
| 21:04.41 | itchi | ktwilight: Without i got the same issue |
| 21:04.43 | enouf | kanzure: look |
| 21:04.43 | ktwilight | kanzure, *shrugs* never play with dual monitors |
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| 21:04.50 | enouf | you have kde ? kanzure ? |
| 21:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizzi, did you install / start / enable a talkd? |
| 21:04.55 | kanzure | enouf: indeed |
| 21:05.00 | ktwilight | itchi, strange, i don't have hte issue |
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| 21:05.10 | itchi | ktwilight: Fresh install now |
| 21:05.17 | ktwilight | have fun :P |
| 21:05.21 | enouf | kanzure: i told above - [15:46:25] <enouf> kde can easily fire up more Xservers with it's kmenu > switch user > start new session , which fires up on F8 |
| 21:05.28 | kanzure | oh |
| 21:05.47 | enouf | kanzure: fireup another xserver on your newly attached monitor |
| 21:06.09 | enouf | then use the multiple desktop functions and send half the windows over to the new Desktop |
| 21:06.15 | kanzure | I went to 'start new session' and nothing happened, enouf |
| 21:06.22 | enouf | doh |
| 21:06.28 | enouf | Mine works here :-) |
| 21:07.08 | enouf | kanzure: play around in KXontrol Center |
| 21:07.10 | enouf | gah |
| 21:07.13 | enouf | kanzure: play around in KControl Center |
| 21:07.17 | ktwilight | ah ok, now i get how kernel works, i think. |
| 21:07.25 | kanzure | enouf: is there any particular reason why KControl isn't starting |
| 21:07.27 | kanzure | hmm |
| 21:07.27 | ktwilight | why is the world so complicated :( |
| 21:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizzi? |
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| 21:07.44 | enouf | kanzure: do kdeinit kcontrol in xterm |
| 21:07.49 | kanzure | okay |
| 21:07.52 | enouf | i think Gnome stole your thunder |
| 21:08.08 | kanzure | aha, thanks enouf |
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| 21:08.17 | enouf | np |
| 21:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, because everytime someone figures out how the world and universe function, it disappears and is replaced by something more complicated |
| 21:09.58 | kanzure | enouf: where should I check in kcontrol? |
| 21:10.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do people ask something, and when you answer 4 minutes later, they don't react at all? |
| 21:10.11 | kanzure | enouf: I'ver tried peripherals -> Display, but that doesn't do anything |
| 21:10.15 | kanzure | and Desktop -> Multiple Desktops |
| 21:10.34 | ktwilight | CutMeOwnThroat, 'cuz people like to cut out people :) |
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| 21:11.00 | enouf | ask in #debian-kde maybe - my start new session works here kanzure |
| 21:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, I don't under stand that one... 't was too complicated for me :) |
| 21:11.32 | enouf | kanzure: i need to run - see ya |
| 21:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, running is healthy... good luck |
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| 21:12.18 | ktwilight | CutMeOwnThroat, *pats* it's ok it's ok...i understand. |
| 21:12.31 | b_jonas | hello. how can I tell the type and size of the optical media (cd* or dvd*) with wodim or some other program? |
| 21:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, having a hard time without dpkg, eh? :) |
| 21:12.51 | ktwilight | ? |
| 21:12.57 | b_jonas | I've found options that print data about the drive, but I'd like to get info about the disk that's put it |
| 21:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, comfort ktwilight |
| 21:13.21 | ravenbird | There, there, ktwilight. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:13.35 | ktwilight | :'( oh thanks~ |
| 21:13.38 | b_jonas | like, is it a cd or dvd, is it read-only, writable once, rewriteable, ram, plus or minus, single or double layer, what size in bytes |
| 21:13.47 | ktwilight | i know my brain can only handle so much |
| 21:14.06 | b_jonas | thanks in advance |
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| 21:14.31 | OmiKrOn | hi any links on how I can create custom .deb files? |
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| 21:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | b_jonas, hm, perhaps k3b tells you before it lets you burn to it? |
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| 21:16.33 | b_jonas | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, that's a gui interface for cdrecord. yes, cdrecord used to be able to tell this |
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| 21:16.49 | b_jonas | but for license reason cdrecord is normally replaced with wodim now |
| 21:16.51 | b_jonas | hmm |
| 21:16.57 | tymonn | How do i change the ICE WEASEL to FIREFOX ? |
| 21:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | b_jonas, it's a gui interface to cdrecord + dvdrtools etc. |
| 21:17.36 | wols_ | tymonn: you can't |
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| 21:17.46 | ktwilight | dpkg is dead? |
| 21:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | b_jonas, so it could pull information from more than just cdrecord... but I don't recall seeing it tell me what type exactly is in there |
| 21:17.51 | wols_ | yes# |
| 21:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, you're a quick one ;) |
| 21:18.02 | tymonn | wols_: cant even remove it and install a .deb? |
| 21:18.08 | b_jonas | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll try to look at dvd+rw-tools then |
| 21:18.11 | ktwilight | :| |
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| 21:18.21 | ktwilight | and debian mailing lists don't allow admin@*?! |
| 21:18.24 | wols_ | tymonn: you already did install a .deb. why do you want to get rid of iceweasel? |
| 21:18.36 | kanzure | alright, screw it |
| 21:18.37 | ktwilight | so i need to be spammed to my personal email, great. |
| 21:18.40 | simonrvn | meh |
| 21:18.44 | kanzure | I can get gnome to display in a new x session on the new monitor |
| 21:18.52 | kanzure | but I can't get it to display it while I am in screen 7 |
| 21:18.56 | simonrvn | ok, i'll change it back then |
| 21:18.58 | kanzure | where KDE extends it over to the new monitor |
| 21:19.00 | tymonn | wols_: its ugly |
| 21:19.02 | DarthJesus | does mIRC run under WINE and is |
| 21:19.04 | DarthJesus | W |
| 21:19.06 | DarthJesus | does mIRC run under WINE and is WINE included in the Debian distro? |
| 21:19.07 | kanzure | so is there a way that I can use a virtual screen or something ? |
| 21:19.10 | wols_ | tymonn: what's ugly about it? |
| 21:19.11 | kanzure | I don't know what to call it. |
| 21:19.22 | tymonn | wols_: there is a way to change the icon and the name? |
| 21:19.23 | kanzure | but that wouldn't be helpful, nevermind |
| 21:19.23 | Xenguy | DarthJesus: migrate to irssi |
| 21:19.25 | wols_ | arsenip: appdb.winehq.com |
| 21:19.31 | simonrvn | DarthJesus: why would you want to run that POS? |
| 21:19.33 | ktwilight | DarthJesus, xchat |
| 21:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, and not dead, but on holidays - he dropped in to tell us about the fun he had shagging robot-chicks, answered some questions and disappeared again exhausted. |
| 21:19.39 | Xenguy | DarthJesus: or xchat (GUI) |
| 21:19.48 | DarthJesus | is there an irc client for Debian that mimicks mirc script flawlessly? |
| 21:19.55 | ktwilight | CutMeOwnThroat, he sure had more fun than us now :( |
| 21:20.11 | Xenguy | DarthJesus: just let it go :-) |
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| 21:20.14 | b_jonas | CutMeOwnThroat: dvd+rw-mediainfo worked |
| 21:20.14 | wols_ | DarthJesus: no |
| 21:20.15 | b_jonas | nice |
| 21:20.15 | DarthJesus | all i care about is being able to run mirc script |
| 21:20.19 | b_jonas | thanks for the hint |
| 21:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | b_jonas, great |
| 21:20.24 | simonrvn | !test |
| 21:20.25 | ravenbird | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 21:20.33 | b_jonas | I hope it also works for cds (I now have a dvd disk in) |
| 21:20.33 | DarthJesus | and i suck at making a eggdrop from scratch that parses mirc script\ |
| 21:20.34 | b_jonas | let me try |
| 21:20.49 | DarthJesus | i mean i can get my own flavor of mirc script to parse |
| 21:20.57 | DarthJesus | i just can't seem to make an irc bot client |
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| 21:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, look at www.spamgourmet.com - but it's probably not fit for a high-volume mailinglist (because you get lots of mail from more than one or two addresses) |
| 21:21.32 | DarthJesus | is it possible to load a module into eggdrop on Debian that parses mirc script that i made myself? |
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| 21:22.36 | DarthJesus | i am sorry if i don't make much sense, i woke up at 1am |
| 21:22.37 | rox | DarthJesus: it is |
| 21:22.39 | simonrvn | DarthJesus: there's much better software than mirc around to have irc bots running |
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| 21:23.23 | chemist | I am trying to compile a kernel, I have downloaded and unpacked the source, apt-get'ed build-essential but when I try make menuconfig I get a massive list of errors |
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| 21:23.26 | DarthJesus | i want to use mirc script, but in a more stable system such as eggdrop via Debian |
| 21:23.47 | fengor | DarthJesus: get eggdrop and learn tcl |
| 21:23.53 | rox | DarthJesus: in debian you have a pallette of irc bots available, you just apt-get install them, add a bit of configuration and off you go with your new irc bot |
| 21:23.53 | fengor | or get perlbot and learn perl |
| 21:23.57 | DarthJesus | i can make an mirc script parser myself if its possible to import C modules into eggdrop |
| 21:24.02 | fengor | or get blootbot and learn whatever it is written with |
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| 21:24.25 | fengor | jsut forget the atroocity that is mirc |
| 21:24.28 | DarthJesus | issue is, mirc script is pretty easy to tame |
| 21:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehehe |
| 21:24.44 | fengor | so is almost any scripting language |
| 21:24.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, mirc |
| 21:24.46 | DarthJesus | despite it's wild behavior |
| 21:24.46 | ravenbird | methinks mirc is a wretched Windows(tm) shareware IRC client!, or resembles an High school kids VB project gone bad. |
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| 21:25.04 | b_jonas | hmm, it seems to work for a dvd, but not a cd |
| 21:25.12 | b_jonas | though the distinction might be somewhat different |
| 21:25.27 | jelly-home | @dpkg |
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| 21:25.41 | b_jonas | <rant>why can't wodim just have such a command</rant> |
| 21:25.43 | simonrvn | ! |
| 21:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | b_jonas, but that's why I suggested k3b.... that communicates with cd-burner and dvd-burner |
| 21:25.50 | simonrvn | jelly-home: ! |
| 21:25.54 | jelly-home | simonrvn: it answers to !? |
| 21:26.00 | simonrvn | for now |
| 21:26.03 | OlaX | DarthJesus: Can you read and understand the mirc scripts? If so, it should be easier to re-impliment them in a real programming language. irssi (which is awesome) can use perl scripts! xchat can also interpret a variety of languages. |
| 21:26.23 | simonrvn | just someone ping me when dpkg is back so i can switch it back |
| 21:26.36 | jelly-home | !seen dpkg |
| 21:26.38 | ravenbird | jelly-home: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
| 21:26.51 | Supaplex | ~seen dpkg |
| 21:26.52 | apt | dpkg <n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 31m 34s ago, saying: 'O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned!'. |
| 21:27.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, liar |
| 21:27.19 | simonrvn | .:15:12:33:. ==> dpkg n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 21:27.26 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: ravenbird is tEh blind. :) |
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| 21:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, figures |
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| 21:38.09 | nelf | How to java plugin + iceweasel amd64? |
| 21:38.24 | nelf | surely dpkg knows something, if only I knew what to ask |
| 21:39.31 | nelf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.44 | nelf | now that was smart |
| 21:40.10 | simonrvn | i'd suggest a password change ;) |
| 21:40.15 | nelf | :) |
| 21:40.28 | nelf | But that was the only pet I ever had |
| 21:40.37 | nelf | I'll never think of another |
| 21:40.40 | simonrvn | and maybe having your client do that instead |
| 21:40.53 | nelf | It did, I just thought it didn't |
| 21:41.00 | nelf | making me twice as dumb |
| 21:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | nelf, hurry, or someone'll change it for you :) |
| 21:43.09 | up365 | why are all the other icon choices "grayed out" except the ones in usr/share/pixmaps in etch ? |
| 21:43.52 | nelf | How to java plugin + iceweasel amd64 (without telling everyone your password)? |
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| 21:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nelf, and dpkg has a free day today... and I think he knows - might be not possible like flas+iceweasel on amd64 |
| 21:44.18 | Supaplex | ravenbird: java |
| 21:44.24 | simonrvn | nspluginwrapper |
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| 21:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, true |
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| 21:45.00 | simonrvn | dunno if it works for the java plugin, but that'd be the thing to try it with |
| 21:45.42 | simonrvn | wewt |
| 21:45.49 | Airbottle | isnt it possible to install wine and execute a windows-firefox with all those windows-plugins under wine, in a amd64 box? |
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| 21:46.01 | nelf | Airbottle: It is, yes |
| 21:46.18 | simonrvn | why? ;) |
| 21:46.39 | Supaplex | you'd get more performance by recompiling it with winetools :) |
| 21:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what an evil idea, though |
| 21:46.54 | nelf | Fairly tortuous |
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| 21:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | a bit like running windows in something like vmware and only using debian to browse in the web while doing the numerous reboots needed for windows... |
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| 21:48.19 | jelly-home | Airbottle: it should be, depending on current state of wine |
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| 21:48.54 | simonrvn | ii wine 0.9.55-1 |
| 21:49.06 | nelf | I was think more of a "add XXX to your sources list" and do an "apt-sort my_life_out" kind of thing |
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| 21:49.41 | nelf | Not that I'm averse to a bit of cross compilation of a sunday evening |
| 21:49.46 | nelf | The angry sort, that is |
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| 21:50.34 | nelf | So is dpkg on a course/visiting parents or something? |
| 21:50.46 | nelf | Maybe on a date! |
| 21:50.56 | Eulex | it's out partying with bot chics |
| 21:50.58 | simonrvn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 21:51.07 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 21:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nelf, about 2 h ago: <dpkg> I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 21:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | nelf, I think the strain was just too much :( |
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| 21:52.33 | nelf | I can imagine, CutMeOwnThroat. |
| 21:52.35 | simonrvn | and yes, i'd have to do it manually |
| 21:52.45 | Supaplex | simonrvn: so write a tool :) |
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| 21:53.05 | simonrvn | i don't trust a tool to do it for me |
| 21:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | nelf, aptitude is also missing... go figure |
| 21:53.30 | simonrvn | stew isn't here |
| 21:53.40 | beardy | apt is here. |
| 21:53.44 | nelf | Hey, these are the noughties, that's just par for the course |
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| 21:54.12 | Supaplex | ravenbird: ping |
| 21:54.12 | ravenbird | pong |
| 21:54.19 | simonrvn | where has stew been anyway? |
| 21:54.25 | beardy | Btw, such a tool would be interesting.. maybe if noone else will make it, I will, some time, maybe.. |
| 21:54.35 | suw | hello - I accidentally formated my xfs partition - is there any method to retrieve the data back? |
| 21:55.00 | simonrvn | i should probably at least dump rb's db out |
| 21:55.07 | beardy | Depends what you mean with "formatting". |
| 21:55.11 | beardy | !testdisk |
| 21:55.11 | ravenbird | i heard testdisk is an alternative to gpart. Try gpart first. http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html, or see also gpart, or or if that url doesn't work: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html |
| 21:55.22 | beardy | Not sure it supports xfs though. |
| 21:55.30 | suw | beardy mkfs.xfs -f /dev/sda2 |
| 21:55.54 | simonrvn | yeh i'd call that formatted |
| 21:56.05 | Supaplex | sid's mplayer is still from 12/2007? ouch. |
| 21:56.17 | simonrvn | sid's? |
| 21:56.24 | sepski | have anyone experienced that a nfs booting machine have the nfs root fs mounted read only ? |
| 21:56.31 | simonrvn | *cough* debian-multimedia *cough* |
| 21:57.13 | suw | that partition was sda4 - but i was re-installing debian on 32 and removed the linux partition, installed windows to be able to upgrade my bios - dam dell - can;t upgrade form linux - then i removed windows partition and reinstall debian... - The partition number changed - so... |
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| 21:57.32 | suw | all my work flushed away... |
| 21:57.41 | megasquid | how would i specify a different output directory other than the current dir when doing a wget? |
| 21:57.54 | beardy | simonrvn: May the absg be with you. |
| 21:58.04 | suw | i tryed testdisk - but testdisk does not find xfs files - only ext2/3 |
| 21:58.16 | simonrvn | megasquid: -O IIRC; man wget |
| 21:58.56 | Supaplex | yes dmm/sid *g* |
| 21:59.09 | minus198 | how do I count how many files there are in a directory? I want to count the files in subdirectories too |
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| 21:59.30 | Supaplex | find dir -type f | wc -l |
| 21:59.31 | beardy | minus198: find piped through wc -l. |
| 21:59.58 | suw | so = i've heared about xfs_repair, xfs_dump... etc- but google give only crap... about those... |
| 22:00.16 | megasquid | smonrvn, i've looked at the man can't figure it out, -O doens't seem to be it |
| 22:00.23 | megasquid | simonrvn |
| 22:01.07 | suw | anyone? |
| 22:01.52 | Spee_Der | Nyle, nope. I can't do 64 bit with this cpu. But! I do have a spare 2.8G and will try that later in the week..... |
| 22:03.49 | Spee_Der | I used lshw-gtk to confirm the width, it is 32 bit for this 2.66 G cpu. |
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| 22:05.53 | Deformati | Uh, how do I get my internal ip? |
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| 22:06.03 | Deformati | Debian does not seem to have ifconfig |
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| 22:06.41 | nelf | Deformati: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:06.57 | Deformati | Why is that not in my path? |
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| 22:07.40 | nelf | Deformati: normal users don't have it in their path by default |
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| 22:08.01 | Deformati | Oh. |
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| 22:08.53 | nelf | Deformati: you can add it (and /usr/sbin/) to ~/.bash_profile if you want to. |
| 22:09.01 | Deformati | Yep. |
| 22:09.03 | Deformati | I did that. |
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| 22:10.31 | Deformati | Thankyou. |
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| 22:14.02 | minus198 | So I have a webserver, but when I am on the webservers network, I don't want to use the external address to it. In other words: I want to use IP addresses. But then comes the issue: how do I make 192.168.1.111/home/ go to the same place as: www.mydomain.com. Or 192.168.1.111/subdomain/ go to the same place as subdomain.mydomain.com ? |
| 22:14.15 | Throat | gee, xchat just stopped showing input .. and the lagbar increased all over |
| 22:14.23 | Throat | it actually still does |
| 22:14.40 | Nyle | sweet |
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| 22:14.59 | Nyle | I don't need to worry about any more about playign my w32codec stuff in amd64 |
| 22:15.28 | Nyle | geekbox has a upnp sharing thing called ushare, which i put on my server, and I just run a vmware geexbox |
| 22:15.37 | Nyle | custom iso with non-free codecs etc. |
| 22:15.43 | Nyle | works fucking flawlessly |
| 22:16.07 | Nyle | (for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to get my samba shares on geexbox) |
| 22:16.33 | petemc | i use ushare on debian |
| 22:16.40 | Nyle | me too |
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| 22:17.23 | Nyle | it plays without lag too |
| 22:17.24 | Nyle | its nice |
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| 22:18.06 | petemc | yup, works well with the 360, and it would work fine with the ps3 too, if only it could play common formats |
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| 22:19.28 | Nyle | man I feel dirty |
| 22:19.38 | Nyle | I got so many boxes with so many dirty hdds and crap etc. |
| 22:19.45 | Nyle | I need to rebuild my entire network |
| 22:20.00 | minus198 | pwned |
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| 22:20.20 | Nyle | but I'll do that when i move out of this apt in few months |
| 22:20.25 | [BT]JaC | hi can anyone tell me why its doing this: http://69.60.123.72/index.php |
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| 22:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so I have a forgotten vi in one xterm... of the many I have open and it's probably in the background any simple way to pop up the right xterm to exit vim without having to kill it? |
| 22:22.42 | [BT]JaC | hi can anyone tell me why its doing this: http://69.60.123.72/index.php |
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| 22:23.18 | DeathWolf | does anyone if debian's pureftpd can support utf-8? |
| 22:23.19 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: fg ? |
| 22:23.24 | DeathWolf | since pure ftpd has had it for quite some time now. |
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| 22:23.41 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: did you install the apache php5 plugin ? |
| 22:23.46 | Spee_Der | I'm really having a *heck* of a time with the Etch v4.0 r3 DVD # 3 for some reason. Four burns of it, and man o man, it is hard. |
| 22:23.58 | [BT]JaC | yes abrotman |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | Spee_Der: so use http sources ? |
| 22:24.10 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: a2enmod php5 |
| 22:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes, fg... after I figured in which xterm it is ... |
| 22:24.23 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: ps ef .. check the ps tree |
| 22:24.48 | Spee_Der | abrotman, I will try. But I was trying to add them to the Synaptic repo list. |
| 22:25.10 | abrotman | Spee_Der: trying to add the DVDs or the http sources? |
| 22:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, hm, then is there a kill switch to let the parent window pop up? |
| 22:25.29 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: pop up? don't think so |
| 22:25.37 | [BT]JaC | abrotman |
| 22:25.39 | [BT]JaC | apache php5 |
| 22:25.45 | [BT]JaC | what packages? |
| 22:26.10 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:26.21 | Spee_Der | abrotman, the dvd's. It hangs big time on the 3rd dvd. This time it did work. |
| 22:26.26 | [BT]JaC | and any others? |
| 22:26.32 | abrotman | Spee_Der: i'd still use http sources |
| 22:26.43 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: i thought you said you had installed it ? |
| 22:26.50 | Spee_Der | abrotman, ok. I will drop the dvd's for now. |
| 22:27.03 | [BT]JaC | turns out Plesk uninstalled it |
| 22:27.18 | abrotman | stupid plesk |
| 22:27.19 | Spee_Der | abrotman, fyi. I'm using Etch v4.0 r3 |
| 22:27.38 | Spee_Der | bbiab |
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| 22:28.24 | raggi | does an install of ssl-cert just take a long time? |
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| 22:28.55 | abrotman | raggi: move your mouse a bunch |
| 22:29.00 | raggi | it seems like it's frozen up here (apt-get install ssl-cert) (version 1.0.15) |
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| 22:29.13 | raggi | from testing |
| 22:29.23 | raggi | abrotman: over ssh? |
| 22:29.35 | abrotman | raggi: your server runs lenny ? |
| 22:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, ok... just wondered happens quite often - got perhaps 10-20 xterms open, often on multiple virtual desktops and see I have vi still open in one of them of a file I want to edit again... so I can look through all of them... or kill vi and try to figure from the swapfile if I really saved it (which I normally do) |
| 22:30.02 | raggi | etch |
| 22:30.10 | abrotman | 1.0.15 isn't in etch |
| 22:30.15 | abrotman | !info ssl-cert etch |
| 22:30.20 | raggi | o0 |
| 22:30.31 | raggi | taht might explain a lot |
| 22:30.31 | Eulex | you're running testing |
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| 22:30.39 | abrotman | bot? |
| 22:30.53 | ravenbird | ssl-cert: (Simple debconf wrapper for openssl), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.14 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 22:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, holidays |
| 22:31.00 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i noticed already |
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| 22:31.22 | raggi | Eulex: yes |
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| 22:32.12 | Spee_Der | How do I stop the message Running in modulated clock mode please ? |
| 22:32.35 | Spee_Der | I have added lot'sa fans and still this error? message |
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| 22:33.05 | jnguy | Is it possible to make a symbolic link that always points to the newest file, or file last created/modified/etc |
| 22:33.06 | jnguy | ? |
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| 22:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jnguy, do you know what a softlink is?! |
| 22:34.58 | jnguy | yeah |
| 22:35.20 | jnguy | I mean automatically updating symbolic link. |
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| 22:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jnguy, and yes... it kind of is - when whatever makes the "newest file" resets the soft-link :-/ |
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| 22:35.30 | jnguy | eg, I want to ln -s latest someargs |
| 22:35.43 | jnguy | of different file names? |
| 22:36.04 | jnguy | so I have a directory of logs, and I want a symlink called latest |
| 22:36.16 | abrotman | jnguy: logrotate ? |
| 22:36.56 | jnguy | I think that would be it |
| 22:36.58 | simonrvn | no use for symlinking crap if you use the proper tools |
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| 22:37.08 | jnguy | except the program doesn't write to the same log file everytime. |
| 22:37.22 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 22:37.32 | abrotman | jnguy: so what is the naming scheme? |
| 22:37.34 | jnguy | it writes to a logfile with the date appended to the end of the filename. |
| 22:37.49 | jnguy | (Its pidgin if anyone else uses it) |
| 22:37.53 | simonrvn | postrotate script |
| 22:38.14 | simonrvn | do a ln -s whatever whatever in the logrotate script |
| 22:38.21 | simonrvn | easy as shit |
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| 22:38.46 | jnguy | hm? |
| 22:38.57 | simonrvn | man logrotate |
| 22:39.04 | jnguy | looking at it right now. |
| 22:39.12 | jnguy | I thought it was intended for log files with the same name. |
| 22:39.34 | simonrvn | yes, that's where you'll need some creativity |
| 22:39.48 | dserban | hmm, after all these years of using linux I have a lot to learn about xterm... :o. I've looked in the man page for xterm (5000 lines holy crap). Anyway it states that if you hold control and button 2 on your pointer you get a menu. Which is true and you have a few options to set your VT102 emulation. Now, how do I set those defaults? For example, I want the huge font to be set as the default, I can't seem to decipher/find a way in |
| 22:39.56 | jnguy | and it appears that it is run by cron daily. |
| 22:40.06 | jnguy | not fast enough. Meh. I give up. |
| 22:40.09 | jnguy | :D |
| 22:40.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, .Xresources |
| 22:40.28 | simonrvn | no, you can run it manually... |
| 22:40.37 | simonrvn | or via your crontab |
| 22:40.39 | abrotman | dserban: man xterm |
| 22:40.39 | jnguy | it was a silly thing anyways. I just wanted a symlink called latest in my purple logfile |
| 22:40.44 | jnguy | haha |
| 22:40.45 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat: is there a man page for that file? So I know what to declare? |
| 22:40.51 | simonrvn | (think outside the box ;) |
| 22:40.55 | jnguy | yeah, but I would have to set it for every minute |
| 22:41.02 | jnguy | or something in order for it to be effective. |
| 22:41.04 | jnguy | thanks anyways guys. |
| 22:41.15 | dserban | abrotman: heh :) I have no idea what to look for through the crazy man page ;) |
| 22:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, might not be exactly the same as the thing with the middle mousebutton, but something like xterm*font: -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal-*-13-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1 |
| 22:41.29 | abrotman | dserban: the FILES section would have been a good start |
| 22:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, you can choose the exact font with xfontsel |
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| 22:42.27 | DeathWolf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409713 doh... Seems it's indeed not there:/ |
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| 22:42.36 | dserban | abrotman: yep, ,Xresources isn't there. :o |
| 22:42.47 | abrotman | dserban: man xterm then /FILES |
| 22:42.57 | abrotman | dserban: the last bit menitons about .Xresources |
| 22:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, load with xrdb - look at xrdb manpage |
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| 22:43.58 | dserban | abrotman: oh? not on mine ... and I'm serious ;) |
| 22:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, also check out /etc/X11/Xresources/ to see the system wide configuration |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | dserban: do you have a "FILES" section at all ? |
| 22:44.23 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, will check it out. |
| 22:44.27 | dserban | abrotman: yep I do. |
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| 22:44.58 | dserban | .Xdefaults is only mentioned, Xterm Xterm-color and .Xdefaults are mentioned. That's it. |
| 22:45.27 | f00bar80 | how to search if an installed package using apt ? |
| 22:45.31 | abrotman | dserban: etc ? |
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| 22:45.41 | abrotman | f00bar80: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 22:45.52 | dserban | abrotman: etc? hmm? |
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| 22:46.01 | abrotman | etch |
| 22:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I think Xresources and Xdefaults are identical in function... |
| 22:46.10 | kingsley2 | When I try to run a newly installed version of "blender", a 3D modelling and rendering package, it complains with "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." and "intern/ghost/intern/GHOST_WindowX11.cpp:105: X11 glxChooseVisual() failed for OpenGL, verify working openGL system!" |
| 22:46.20 | kingsley2 | How should one check for a working openGL system? |
| 22:46.33 | gravity | kingsley2: Run something that uses opengl? |
| 22:46.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yes in etch there is only Xdefaults |
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| 22:46.55 | gravity | kingsley2: If you want to check for hardware acceleration, do glxinfo | grep direct |
| 22:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/$/mentioned/ |
| 22:47.29 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: silly man pages ... |
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| 22:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, but arent the two files doing the same anyways? Never used Xdefaults, so I'm not sure |
| 22:48.24 | kingsley2 | gravity, Thanks. "glxinfo | grep direct" confirmed that I don't have a working openGL system. |
| 22:48.37 | kingsley2 | How should one install openGL? |
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| 22:48.54 | gravity | kingsley2: You probably do have openGL. GL and direct rendering are different concepts |
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| 22:49.24 | gravity | kingsley2: If you can run glxgears and get the program running, then you do have OpenGL |
| 22:49.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley2, direct rendering only means you have hardware acceleration - which means openGL can still work correctly as software emulation, it will just be slow |
| 22:49.48 | kingsley2 | gravity, For what it's worth, glxinfo reported: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 22:50.12 | gravity | Wow, that's different |
| 22:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, that's different :) |
| 22:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | gravity, hehe, two idiots, one thought |
| 22:50.23 | sebas891 | hi folks, I'm looking to install the java-plugin for firefox (I'm on etch ppc). I got lost... what I have found so far are stuff for ubuntu. |
| 22:50.34 | gravity | kingsley2: Can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin? |
| 22:50.39 | kingsley2 | gravity, "glxgears" fails with: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:50.39 | kingsley2 | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 22:50.46 | minus198 | sebas891, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 22:51.01 | abrotman | !tell sebas891 about install java |
| 22:51.10 | abrotman | minus198: not everyone uses sudo .. this isn't ubuntu |
| 22:51.14 | gravity | Yeah, lacking GLX is surprising |
| 22:51.27 | reZo | how stable is lenny at the moment, since it's still in testing, does it crash much and support qt4.2? |
| 22:51.30 | simonrvn | gravity: hey there, LTNS |
| 22:51.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: your bot isn'y synced! |
| 22:51.45 | gravity | simonrvn: Heya! Yeah, I've been busy with work and stuff lately |
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| 22:51.49 | gravity | Trying to graduate |
| 22:51.52 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 22:51.54 | sebas891 | minus198: not working a dependency is not there... |
| 22:51.58 | simonrvn | gravity: oh cool :) |
| 22:52.00 | minus198 | abrotman, So? It's installed by default. And if he doesn't use it he probably knows how to get into super-user mode |
| 22:52.14 | kingsley2 | gravity, Thanks for asking. I'll try to, and let you know what happens. |
| 22:52.17 | minus198 | sebas891, Show me the exact output please. |
| 22:52.22 | reZo | never mind about qt, checked the repository, supports qt4.3.3-2 right now, |
| 22:52.26 | simonrvn | abrotman: write a sync module then |
| 22:52.29 | abrotman | minus198: no .. it's not |
| 22:52.30 | sebas891 | minus198: you read french ? ;) |
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| 22:52.38 | sebas891 | sun-java6-jre: Dépend: sun-java6-bin (= 6-00-2) mais il n'est pas installabl |
| 22:52.43 | reZo | anyone tested out lenny here? cause i'm thinking of upgrading today, don't want to if it's not that stable right now though |
| 22:52.53 | minus198 | abrotman, It was for me.. so.. |
| 22:53.04 | minus198 | sebas891, Strange.. |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | minus198: then you did it .. it's NOT installed by default |
| 22:53.08 | simonrvn | blah depends on blah (foo) but is not installable |
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| 22:53.14 | sebas891 | minus198: on ppc... the java stuff is a pain. |
| 22:53.31 | minus198 | abrotman, Well.. I've never done: "sudo apt-get install sudo", in other words: it was definately by default. |
| 22:53.43 | simonrvn | !kill sun java |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | minus198: only for your special version of debian apparently |
| 22:53.50 | minus198 | sebas891, Ah.. That is proably the issue.. |
| 22:53.57 | minus198 | abrotman, Netinst of Lenny.. |
| 22:54.04 | sebas891 | minus198: yes it is :) |
| 22:54.05 | abrotman | minus198: i have lenny .. i don't have sudo |
| 22:54.18 | simonrvn | it's not installed with the full cd either... |
| 22:54.25 | abrotman | sebas891: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 22:55.00 | sebas891 | any one know a debian repo, like this http://packages.medibuntu.org/ (they have the java for ppc in there ) ? |
| 22:55.04 | sebas891 | abrotman: etch |
| 22:55.05 | minus198 | abrotman, I had two systems with debian lenny just recently, and sudo worked from start. I just had to change the sudoers file.. |
| 22:55.12 | simonrvn | ok, now i have a dump of rb's db, run daily, symlinked to LATEST |
| 22:55.13 | abrotman | minus198: it's something you did .. |
| 22:55.14 | sebas891 | would it help to run lenny ? |
| 22:55.16 | minus198 | And no I did not install it manually |
| 22:55.27 | abrotman | sebas891: java6 isn't in etch |
| 22:55.33 | abrotman | minus198: something you installed pulled it in |
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| 22:55.45 | minus198 | possibly.. |
| 22:55.51 | abrotman | so .. not standard .. |
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| 22:56.01 | kingsley2 | gravity, OK, the log file is at http://pastebin.ca/916811. Please let me know what you think. |
| 22:56.35 | gravity | urgh, nvidia-glx |
| 22:56.36 | sebas891 | abrotman: ah ok, then java5 ( I just want the firefox java-plugin to work) |
| 22:56.48 | gravity | kingsley2: Sorry, I don't know anything about this driver, I only know the Free ones. |
| 22:56.52 | gravity | kingsley2: I'm afraid I can't help you |
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| 22:56.59 | sebas891 | http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/i/ibm-j2sdk1.6/ibm-j2sdk1.6_1.6.0-0medibuntu1_powerpc.deb I want that but for etch |
| 22:57.34 | abrotman | sebas891: but there is no PPC java for etch |
| 22:58.02 | sebas891 | abrotman: sure of that ? I should upgrade to lenny ? |
| 22:58.38 | kingsley2 | gravity, I'm surprised that the box is evidently using an nvidia driver. Are you sure it's actually using it, and not just installed? |
| 22:58.52 | gravity | Oh, I see |
| 22:58.53 | sebas891 | I had it in sarge a long time ago... |
| 22:59.04 | abrotman | sebas891: as much of a pain as it is .. i'd probably use make-jpkg and get the stuff from sun |
| 22:59.08 | gravity | kingsley2: Yeah, you're using the nv driver, with nvidia's custom glx implementation. You need to get rid of that |
| 22:59.29 | gravity | kingsley2: If you installed nvidia-glx via the debian-supplied .deb, just remove it |
| 22:59.55 | gravity | kingsley2: If not, then you'll have to do something else. dpkg -i'ing xserver-xorg-core should do the trick |
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| 23:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley2, how come you use nvidia-glx, but the nv X module... |
| 23:01.23 | simonrvn | sebas891: fetch ibm's java, then use java-package to make a deb |
| 23:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 23:01.30 | simonrvn | sebas891: that's what i used to do |
| 23:01.31 | kingsley2 | gravity, As I think you suspected, several nvidia packages are installed: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.19.2-slh-smp-4, nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source. |
| 23:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | gravity, only looked at it right now :-/ |
| 23:01.53 | kingsley2 | CutMeOwnThroat, I don' |
| 23:02.09 | sebas891 | abrotman: I'm thinking of upgrading to lenny anyway... |
| 23:02.26 | kingsley2 | CutMeOwnThroat, The short answer appears to be that it's just a mistake. |
| 23:02.31 | dserban | ok so CutMeOwnThroat you suggest I use xfontsel? ... in .Xdefaults/.Xresources? (sorry I just re-read the above convo and it came out unclear to me ) |
| 23:02.34 | abrotman | sebas891: just make sure it has the java you want before you do it |
| 23:02.35 | sebas891 | simonrvn: I was reading about that. |
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| 23:03.08 | sebas891 | !tell sebas891 about install java |
| 23:03.22 | simonrvn | i don't run stuff like tomcat so i don't need java on my ppc boxen |
| 23:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley2, you do :) - either use the "nvidia" module in the X server, or use the nv module with glx from ...hm, something like libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 23:03.35 | sebas891 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.36 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, sebas891 |
| 23:03.50 | sebas891 | hehehe! ravenbird ;) |
| 23:03.53 | simonrvn | !java |
| 23:04.02 | kingsley2 | gravity, Unless you object, I think I'll try "dpkg --purge nvidia-glx", restart X and try running "blender" again. |
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| 23:04.22 | dserban | !java! |
| 23:04.25 | dserban | :( |
| 23:04.27 | sebas891 | !tell sebas891 about java |
| 23:04.31 | gravity | kingsley2: That sounds ok |
| 23:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, I wrote a line you have to add to Xresources above... it includes a font which might not be on your system or which you might not like. Use the program xfontsel to choose a font from your system |
| 23:04.40 | gravity | kingsley2: I'm not sure the --purge is necessary though |
| 23:04.44 | simonrvn | wth did you add the ! at the end? |
| 23:04.44 | sebas891 | that worked ! |
| 23:04.54 | simonrvn | sebas891: /msg |
| 23:04.59 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh, thanks, that makes good sense. |
| 23:05.29 | kingsley2 | CutMeOwnThroat, libgl1-mesa-glx is already installed. |
| 23:06.10 | kingsley2 | So, I suppose I'll try restarting X, which means I'll leave #debian, at least momentarily. |
| 23:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley2, you could put "nvidia" instead of "nv" in your xorg.conf and try if everything works with the nvidia stuff (need an nvidia kernel module also, though) - generally nvidia gives better hardware support/acceleration |
| 23:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley2, and you can start a 2nd X-server with startx -- :1 (but when I did, that sometimes didn't give me hw-acceleration in the 2nd Xserver, when it was already used in the 1st Xserver...) |
| 23:07.07 | kingsley2 | CutMeOwnThroat, Yes, I've used nvidia's driver in the past, but found it difficult to maintain. |
| 23:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley2, hehe - just don't touch it ;) |
| 23:08.13 | kingsley2 | CutMeOwnThroat, ;-) What if I try adjusting nvidia's driver just like... |
| 23:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har |
| 23:08.59 | gravity | hrmpf, I need to find the time to get our nouveau on |
| 23:09.07 | fiyawerx | Hey guys, I'm about to give Debian a shot, but was wondering if there are any articles on why to go with debian over ubuntu? or if anyone could point something out for it without starting an argument or anything, im just curious |
| 23:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, why debian |
| 23:09.52 | ravenbird | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 23:09.57 | fiyawerx | ravenbird: thanks |
| 23:09.57 | ravenbird | sure thing, fiyawerx |
| 23:10.00 | fiyawerx | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks rather |
| 23:10.02 | fiyawerx | :) |
| 23:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure thing, fiyawerx |
| 23:10.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:10.23 | fiyawerx | heh |
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| 23:11.45 | fiyawerx | http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html is no longer valid I think |
| 23:12.21 | fiyawerx | hm, most of them sound good as to why debian, but don't really answer why debian over ubuntu, guess i'll keep googling around |
| 23:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not the bot thats normally here... |
| 23:12.30 | fiyawerx | ah |
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| 23:12.57 | abrotman | fiyawerx: less handholding is an advantage for some |
| 23:13.25 | gravity | fiyawerx: The differences are pretty subtle these days. Debian doesn't make as many choices for you, and also has a deeper commitment to software freedom |
| 23:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, that's really sad: |
| 23:14.05 | fiyawerx | currently my first choice has been slackware, but something about *buntu (usually k for me) just kinda irks me when I use it |
| 23:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt, why debian |
| 23:14.06 | apt | why not? |
| 23:14.06 | sebas891 | is it possible to install rpm packages in debian ? |
| 23:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | sebas891, "alien" |
| 23:14.34 | sebas891 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 23:14.36 | abrotman | sebas891: alien |
| 23:14.46 | sebas891 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:15.34 | fiyawerx | eh, guess i'll give it a shot and see what happens, thanks guys see you in a bit (hopefully) |
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| 23:22.40 | kingsley2 | gravity & CutMeOwnThroat : I'm happy to report that removing nvidia's gl package allowed glxgears and blender to run. |
| 23:22.50 | gravity | Excellent |
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| 23:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I admit that dpkgs disapperence was my fault... |
| 23:23.22 | kingsley2 | gravity & CutMeOwnThroat : As an aside, I had to upgrade libgl1-mesa-glx for cinlerra. |
| 23:23.29 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: hardly |
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| 23:23.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tought it how to do real miracles and it probably founded something like scientology now somewhere to get rich and powerful :( |
| 23:23.39 | kingsley2 | gravity & CutMeOwnThroat : Thank you. |
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| 23:24.01 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 23:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure thing, kingsley2 |
| 23:24.17 | saimazoon | Has anybody noticed any issues between ATI graphics driver and programs making use of ALSA? |
| 23:24.17 | facedown | is Azureus a memory hog on linux/debian? or in general? |
| 23:24.26 | simonrvn | in general |
| 23:24.31 | facedown | aw |
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| 23:24.42 | facedown | any GUI add-ons for RTorrent? |
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| 23:25.28 | kingsley2 | saimazoon, Your question might be answered with yet another google research project |
| 23:25.36 | simonrvn | bittornado is ok |
| 23:25.42 | saimazoon | That's what I thought, but I found nothing |
| 23:25.51 | saimazoon | So that's the reason I came here, in search of help |
| 23:25.56 | kingsley2 | Bye for now. |
| 23:26.11 | saimazoon | But you haven't got the faintest idea of what I'm talking about, worst you can do is pointing myself to google |
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| 23:26.57 | wols_ | saimazoon: what other soundcard do you have? |
| 23:27.03 | saimazoon | It's an onboard card |
| 23:27.37 | simonrvn | saimazoon: frankly, that would be weird |
| 23:27.43 | wols_ | answer my question and don't whine again! |
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| 23:28.30 | simonrvn | the only correlation i can see is the sound hogging cpu and putting a drag on the video or x |
| 23:28.39 | reZo | would i386 lenny work on a i686 laptop, i've got an intel laptop, currently i686 arch, or do i need to choose another arch from the list? |
| 23:28.42 | reZo | if so, which? |
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| 23:28.47 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 23:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:29.15 | wols_ | reZo: run etch i386 |
| 23:29.33 | reZo | wols_: i'm going to test lenny, but i'll download i386 then |
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| 23:29.58 | reZo | currently on etch 4.0 |
| 23:30.00 | wols_ | reZo: you will be on your own when you have troubles. this installer is for testing the installer only. good luck, you'll need it |
| 23:30.06 | simonrvn | i386 has some i686 optimised stuff like libc6... |
| 23:30.31 | Wowbagger_ | Any tips for getting java to work in Iceweasel. I've tried sun-java6-plugin and sun-java5-plugin, but with both iceweasel hangs when loading a page with java (sun's java test page) |
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| 23:30.35 | reZo | wols_: looks to me as if there is a lot of support out there for lenny already, lot's of people have it, i'm sure there will be people to help with troubles |
| 23:30.37 | wols_ | libc6 and the kernel "only" |
| 23:30.38 | reZo | if any |
| 23:31.03 | simonrvn | not for the installer, for running systems |
| 23:31.07 | wols_ | reZo: what videocard? |
| 23:31.19 | reZo | wols_: onboard intel, not sure on the model |
| 23:31.57 | reZo | it's good enough to run compiz + gnome pretty smoothly, though i prefer cli + fluxbox |
| 23:32.55 | Wowbagger_ | Java + iceweasel anyone? |
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| 23:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | groan, yes, dpkg knows |
| 23:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, java-plugin |
| 23:35.19 | ravenbird | well, java-plugin is netscape-java-477, or get Java SDK from http://www.javasoft.com then alien to deb, install, cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, ln -s /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.0/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji140.so . add deb http://http.demudi.org/debian woody local to /etc/sources.list and apt-get install j2re1.3 java-common . a complete waste of time. |
| 23:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and this looks kind of outdated |
| 23:35.59 | Wowbagger_ | ravenbird? |
| 23:36.32 | reZo | Wowbagger_: it's a bot |
| 23:36.52 | Wowbagger_ | Oh. And it made no sense to me. |
| 23:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but not the one usually used in here.. so it's a bit behind on events |
| 23:38.02 | Wowbagger_ | It bugs me that Java always seems to be an incredible pain to get going in linux browsers. |
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| 23:38.29 | gordonjcp | Wowbagger_: s/linux // |
| 23:38.33 | gordonjcp | there, fixed that for you |
| 23:38.38 | Wowbagger_ | heh |
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| 23:39.33 | strykr | hey |
| 23:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | sun-java5-plugin should actually work |
| 23:40.12 | Wowbagger_ | I've tried sun-java5-plugin and java6. both hang. |
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| 23:41.10 | Wowbagger_ | if i do a ps, firefox-bin is hogging the cpu when I try to load a java page. |
| 23:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, interesting, I must have made softlinks myself... none of the java...plugin things seem installed |
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| 23:41.49 | simonrvn | !tell oloughlin75 -about root |
| 23:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, do you have java-gcj-compat-plugin installed also? |
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| 23:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if tehy don't conflict, which they should) |
| 23:42.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nickometer fubu16__________ |
| 23:42.48 | ravenbird | 'fubu16__________' is 99.989% lame, cutmeownthroat |
| 23:42.56 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: no... but i might have had previously and uninstalled in a attempts to make work |
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| 23:43.13 | ravenbird | Welcome back damog, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chloroform. |
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| 23:43.24 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i have java-common installed.. |
| 23:43.30 | damog | simonrvn: heh |
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| 23:44.07 | Wowbagger_ | !nickometer Wowbagger_ |
| 23:44.10 | ravenbird | 'Wowbagger_' is 0.000% lame, wowbagger_ |
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| 23:46.00 | nix_chix0r | :D |
| 23:46.02 | nix_chix0r | enouf: oi |
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| 23:47.03 | nix_chix0r | wols_: guess what |
| 23:47.46 | Spee_Der | Good night folks, time for shower and some zzz's..... Good luck ya'll...... |
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| 23:48.04 | hellues | hey |
| 23:48.10 | hellues | i am using emerald |
| 23:48.29 | hellues | i am choosing a theme export it |
| 23:48.37 | hellues | but i cannot use this theme |
| 23:48.42 | hellues | how can i ust it |
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| 23:49.26 | hellues | anything |
| 23:49.51 | ryty | okay I'm trying to get aiglx going on my X.org config |
| 23:50.05 | ryty | I've got sid running, and I can't seem to get the Xorg logs to say "AIGLX Enabled" |
| 23:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, I wonder... there was some issue with iceweasel being compiled with gcc3 - and the plugin not... that could make the plugin hang - but I think that's resolved by now(?) |
| 23:50.18 | ryty | how do I force AIGLX to enable? |
| 23:50.43 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: no idea... I did a dist-upgrade a couple days ago (debian-version says Lenny/sid)... mostly lenny afaik |
| 23:51.05 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it's never worked for me on this machine as far as i can remember |
| 23:51.28 | nix_chix0r | well anyway |
| 23:51.31 | nix_chix0r | i got debian installed |
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| 23:51.41 | nix_chix0r | after fighting with nic support |
| 23:52.31 | minus198 | WohO!! happy birthday to FLASHBACK! 25 Years today! |
| 23:52.46 | gravity | Flashback? The game? |
| 23:53.02 | minus198 | Swedens biggest internet forum. Swedens biggest underground magazine. |
| 23:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is a Sweden |
| 23:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
| 23:53.31 | minus198 | 96'th biggest forum in the world too |
| 23:53.41 | Wowbagger_ | heh |
| 23:54.19 | nix_chix0r | not trying to gloat or anything |
| 23:54.21 | minus198 | CutMeOwnThroat, what? I didn't hear that.. I CANT HEAR YOU FOR SOME REASON *Zckhhzzzx* *click* |
| 23:54.24 | nix_chix0r | just been working on it for hours |
| 23:54.35 | minus198 | Working on what? |
| 23:54.47 | nix_chix0r | getting ubuntu off this laptop and throwing debian on there |
| 23:54.50 | nix_chix0r | to support broadcom |
| 23:54.52 | nix_chix0r | heh |
| 23:54.55 | minus198 | I see |
| 23:55.19 | nix_chix0r | minus198: on a flash drive |
| 23:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | minus198, yeah, swedens internet connections suck :) |
| 23:55.44 | minus198 | CutMeOwnThroat, Ehm.. Not really. |
| 23:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | minus198, ah, so you CAN hear me! gotcha |
| 23:56.20 | minus198 | Well.. I didn't hear that other part.. |
| 23:56.30 | nix_chix0r | ah well |
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| 23:57.19 | shamike | Wowbagger_:this tutorial helped me with java http://beginnerslinux.org/dell.html |
| 23:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, beer nix_chix0r |
| 23:57.40 | Phusion | could anyone here tell me what flags i should use with rsync to maintain an *exact* mirror of a remote filesystem? eg: if i delete a file on the main system, the system rsyncing off of the main also deletes the file |
| 23:57.45 | Wowbagger_ | shamike: I'll take a look. thx |
| 23:57.48 | ryty | does anyone have aiglx running in sid with the nvidia drivers? |
| 23:57.55 | nix_chix0r | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i need one |
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