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| 00:01.28 | aardvarq | In debian, what's the util for choosing alternatives? |
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| 00:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryty, from memory, aiglx is, like an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fe |
| 00:01.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | doraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 00:02.28 | xam | !op me |
| 00:02.28 | ravenbird | You wish! |
| 00:02.37 | xam | hahaha |
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| 00:03.23 | aardvarq | Anyone? Setting alternatives in /etc/alternatives? There's a util for this but I forget. |
| 00:03.51 | xam | aardvarq: update-alternatives? |
| 00:03.59 | aardvarq | xam: thanks |
| 00:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryty, from this, it seems to me you will not benefit from getting it to run with nvidia... |
| 00:04.06 | aardvarq | that's the one |
| 00:04.08 | Wowbagger_ | shamike: Well, I've got exactly that set up and it hangs. It must be a version thing, or a conflict, or something. |
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| 00:04.34 | shamike | must be sorry i couldn't help |
| 00:04.39 | ryty | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it doesn't work with ATI card, it doesn't work well with nvidia cards. Why have it? |
| 00:04.59 | shamike | worked for me i copied and pasted |
| 00:04.59 | Wowbagger_ | shamike: well it helps to know that's a valid setup for other people. |
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| 00:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, just a weird thought, have you ever tried as a different user with a blank configuration or even (ghasp) root? |
| 00:07.18 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Good plan. I'll give that a try a bit later. |
| 00:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just a fresh profile, for that matter |
| 00:07.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | supposing it works in principle, perhaps it collides with something in your personal configuration... |
| 00:08.22 | Wowbagger_ | just tried it with another account which hasn't been messed with hardly at all... no luck |
| 00:08.34 | Wowbagger_ | good idea though |
| 00:08.34 | shamike | it is a bitch to install for some reason |
| 00:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you could try something like strace -f -F (perhaps -e open) firefox .... but that'll be pretty painful |
| 00:09.39 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: trying that... dear god. |
| 00:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said it would be painful |
| 00:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | -e open should show you which plugin is indeed loaded |
| 00:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | with slightly less garbage |
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| 00:11.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or connect with gdb after it freezes and do a backtrace... |
| 00:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | for whatever good that does :-/ |
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| 00:12.39 | Wowbagger_ | it doesn't quite completely freeze |
| 00:12.50 | Wowbagger_ | Often it'll quit... or even the back button works and then I can keep using it. |
| 00:12.56 | Wowbagger_ | Sometimes it completely freezes |
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| 00:13.40 | Wowbagger_ | i see it loading the sun-1.5.0.14 plugin and then the libjavaplugin_nscp.so library |
| 00:14.03 | Wowbagger_ | (which is also in the sun java dir) |
| 00:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | nscp? |
| 00:14.16 | Wowbagger_ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so |
| 00:14.26 | shamike | CutMeOwnThroat: when i tried sym linking the libjava i would get a lock on the new link that was added could you tell me why that happened |
| 00:14.36 | oloughlin75 | Hello all, I am trying to set up my wireless network. I followed the ndiswrapper wiki. wlan0 shows, but it fails to connect. What else should I try? |
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| 00:15.12 | oloughlin75 | It sees networks, but won' t connect to them |
| 00:15.40 | ignu | help??? I did a basic Debian install w/o any packages... then I did 'aptitude install xorg fluxbox synaptic network-manager' ... I can't figure out how to get the network-manager going :-( |
| 00:16.10 | ryty | ignu: vi /etc/network/interfaces :-) |
| 00:16.22 | ignu | thx ryty |
| 00:16.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, got a page with java? |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | ryty: he doesn't know you were joking |
| 00:16.47 | ignu | true that |
| 00:16.50 | ryty | ignu: that brings up the interface config file |
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| 00:17.03 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I've been using the firs thing that comes up with googling java test |
| 00:17.15 | Wowbagger_ | http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml |
| 00:17.17 | iateadonut | nyle, patience was the problem with rtorrent. thanks for your help, though. |
| 00:17.29 | abrotman | ignu: did you install n-m ? |
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| 00:18.37 | ignu | yes ... I did 'aptitude install network-manager' |
| 00:19.07 | ignu | then I pulled up synaptic and installed a few other things related to network-manager (only NOT the kde one) |
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| 00:19.31 | Wowbagger_ | ignu: you running gnome? |
| 00:20.24 | ignu | I did 'vi /etc/network/interfaces' yes... I am not running full gnome, but I have the basic gnome desktop up |
| 00:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignu, if you did 'vi /etc/network/interfaces', you're now the network manager :)) |
| 00:21.22 | ryty | ignu: a better question, why do you need the network-manager? Are you having a network issue? |
| 00:21.40 | nix_chix0r | im having gentoo withdrawls |
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| 00:21.52 | ignu | ryty: laptop ... need it to find my signals |
| 00:21.54 | ignu | wifi |
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| 00:22.17 | ryty | ignu: when you installed network-manager, did it install successfully? |
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| 00:22.44 | ignu | ryty: I believe it did ... also appears to be all installed in synaptic |
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| 00:23.05 | abrotman | yay |
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| 00:23.51 | ignu | I take it I don't need the 'vi /etc/network/interfaces' thing ... I can close that |
| 00:23.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, don't cheer too fast :) |
| 00:23.58 | ryty | yes |
| 00:24.04 | ryty | ignu: that was a joke. |
| 00:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignu, well, you can setup your network editing /etc/network/interfaces - and I did that |
| 00:24.37 | ignu | Ignorant Newbies are extremely gullible, don't ya know |
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| 00:25.04 | yigal | if I want to connect (external computer) --> (dsl modem) --> (internal computer) with ssh, but the dsl modem has no ssh, can it be done any hints would be great |
| 00:25.32 | ryty | ignu: can you launch (as root) NetworkManager? |
| 00:25.38 | ignu | yes |
| 00:25.47 | yigal | I know the external i.p. of the modem, and all the internal i.p.s of course |
| 00:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal, you must forward port 22 to the internal computer on... |
| 00:26.02 | ignu | oh, I didn't understand the Q ... I thought you were asking if I had root access |
| 00:26.06 | ignu | sorry |
| 00:26.24 | ignu | I'll try |
| 00:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal, .... supposing you have a NAT, which you didn't tell us about in your description of the setup :) |
| 00:26.42 | ryty | ignu: keep in mind, it's case sensitive. |
| 00:26.47 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: so I have left port 22 open on the modem, this is about it. |
| 00:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal, which you have, if you have and "external ip" and "internal ips" |
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| 00:27.36 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, yes of course |
| 00:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal, that is not enough... so how should the NAT/firewall/router know to wich of the internal computers incoming port 22 should go? |
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| 00:28.02 | icesword | hiya |
| 00:28.21 | icesword | how to install chinese fonts ? |
| 00:28.27 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, should have said that, ok so forward to the internal computer, give it a try |
| 00:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal, look in the configuration of your NAT/firewall/router for something like port forwarding or somesuch. I nothing like that is present, perhaps the router can't do it and then it's not possible |
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| 00:29.45 | abrotman | !cn |
| 00:29.45 | ravenbird | somebody said cn was Choong |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | argh |
| 00:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, useful :) |
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| 00:30.17 | abrotman | China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 00:30.25 | ignu | ryty ... Okay, the newbie forgot about case sensitivity ... but now, when I do it with NetworkManager ... I'm not sure what happens ... seems to be doing something, but I still don't get an icon on my panel ... and it doesn't show up in the 'add to panel' thingy |
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| 00:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, was just going to paste it |
| 00:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, the last bit doesn't seem to transport well, though |
| 00:31.09 | ryty | ignu: which window manager do you run? |
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| 00:31.20 | ryty | (Gnome, KDE, ?) |
| 00:31.21 | ignu | fluxbox |
| 00:31.24 | ryty | k |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't speak it |
| 00:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously :) |
| 00:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's already garbeld on the website |
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| 00:32.06 | ignu | ryty: think fluxbox is my problem, even though I have the gnome desktop |
| 00:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | éè are not usually chinese characters afaik |
| 00:32.36 | icesword | i use gnome |
| 00:33.10 | icesword | ok |
| 00:33.12 | icesword | cn |
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| 00:34.15 | icesword | heheh,only myself in #debian-cn |
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| 00:35.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | chinese Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh |
| 00:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's NOT debian-cn |
| 00:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody ever said #debian-cn |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | must have moved it |
| 00:36.17 | ignu | okay, I'm ready to abandon that project, but I have another newbie question: After I run the basic Debian install (with no packages selected) ... Is it way too difficult for a newbie like myself to try and pull down a text file from a specific internet address (before installing xorg and a window manager and a desktop)? |
| 00:36.18 | icesword | coz i don't know to install what package,i run aptitude only got cli ,it is not easy to do that,i want gui of aptitude |
| 00:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | #debian-zh != #debian-cn |
| 00:37.34 | icesword | how to install the gui version of aptitude |
| 00:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignu, is your question how can I download a textfile from the internet only using the console? |
| 00:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignu, ... or with quotation marks: is your question "how can I download a textfile from the internet only using the console?"? |
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| 00:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, and I seem to use blackdown java |
| 00:39.01 | muh2000 | need help. ftp client says time zone differs 3600 seconds, but both have the same time and timezone. |
| 00:39.07 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: blackdown? |
| 00:39.12 | Wowbagger_ | never heard of that |
| 00:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html |
| 00:39.21 | ignu | CutMeOwnThroat: yes :) |
| 00:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, but that might be, because I set up this computer a long time ago and didn't bother much to update... |
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| 00:39.54 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: interesting. btw, that link no worky. |
| 00:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignu, wget http://domain.de/whatever.txt |
| 00:40.28 | ignu | that sounds easy enough ... gonna try that next ... thx much |
| 00:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, that one was from the dpkg-factoids :( seems it's not used a lot anymore :-/ http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=blackdown&term=key |
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| 00:41.41 | abrotman | icesword: please don't do that |
| 00:41.53 | Nostah1 | how do i un teather a terminal to an application after i open the application |
| 00:42.00 | icesword | abrotman, why |
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| 00:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wowbagger_, huh, interesting... blackdown.org itself seems empty to me... so ... perhaps the need for it disappeared, and the website disappeared together with it |
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| 00:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, you can't, afaik |
| 00:42.54 | Nostah1 | i thought you can? |
| 00:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, if you are talking about a controlling terminal... I don't think so |
| 00:43.26 | gordonjcp | Nostah1: nope, you can't |
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| 00:43.35 | gordonjcp | you can start screen and run it from within that |
| 00:43.40 | Nostah1 | i remmember people talking about doing it before and there was a way |
| 00:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, I don't |
| 00:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, but I'm ready to learn, if you ever find out |
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| 00:44.28 | Nostah1 | dosnt make much sence to make it so you have two have two windows open using resources when you only need one :P |
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| 00:45.09 | Tramp | Nostah1: help disown. Will not work if the application writes to stdout/stderr |
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| 00:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, oh... *un*-tether |
| 00:46.24 | Nostah1 | yea :) |
| 00:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... you know... "mind speling" sometimes has it's uses |
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| 00:46.48 | abrotman | Nostah1: a CLI app or GUI ? |
| 00:47.44 | Nostah1 | well i just opened nautilus so i had root privilages to move files around etc |
| 00:47.48 | Nostah1 | but now i dont need the terminal open |
| 00:47.58 | Nostah1 | so i want to get rid of it without loosing the nautilus program etc |
| 00:48.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, that un completely escaped me... (or I thought it's something like ur or u or whatever crap ppl sumtimz wr8 in here) |
| 00:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, as tramp said... ctrl-z, "bg", possibly "disown %1" |
| 00:49.33 | Nostah1 | dont quite understand? |
| 00:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont quite understand what? |
| 00:50.23 | Nostah1 | what do i ctr z |
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| 00:50.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | in the terminal |
| 00:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrl-z |
| 00:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | then bg <enter> |
| 00:51.06 | Nostah1 | nope that shut down nautilus |
| 00:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | then possibly "disown %1" |
| 00:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope |
| 00:51.14 | linux2 | anyone else here getting this error when trying to install KDE4? http://pastebin.com/d36d54dd8 |
| 00:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrl-z sends it to the background (and stops it) |
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| 00:52.30 | Nostah1 | where do i type disown %1 into |
| 00:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "help bg" and/or man bash (search for 'JOB CONTROL') |
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| 00:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | man bash chapter 'JOB CONTROL' explains in more detail than I could |
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| 00:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 00:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | man bash ; in there the chapter 'JOB CONTROL' explains in more detail than I could |
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| 00:55.48 | eimajenthat | hello, I'm having a little trouble with tee in a shell script. I have a whole bunch of commands in the script which execute and output to the screen, and then also to a text file using tee. Most of them work, except for this one: shred -n 3 -z -v /dev/$drive | tee -a $myfilename |
| 00:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nostah1, in short, "bg" lets the stopped process run again in the background. "disown %1" disowns it from the terminal (which is only necessary if you don't want output to go to that window anymore) |
| 00:55.57 | linux2 | anyone? |
| 00:55.57 | eimajenthat | it outputs to the screen, but not the text file |
| 00:56.02 | linux2 | http://pastebin.com/d36d54dd8 |
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| 00:56.34 | eimajenthat | what manner of stupidity have I committed this time? |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | linux2: we don't support kde4 here .. ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 00:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... "shred $drive" :) baaaad karma |
| 00:56.57 | Wowbagger_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, enough fighting with java for one day. thanks. |
| 00:57.02 | oloughlin75 | I am trying to install something (a kernal patch?) and I am getting this error: http://pastebin.org/21092 I have the latest kernal header. Does anone know what I am missing? |
| 00:57.18 | whitehat | can anyone recommend open source software similar to nessus and nagios. thank you. |
| 00:57.26 | linux2 | abrotman: since when? |
| 00:57.30 | eimajenthat | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean? |
| 00:57.37 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: No. If you have "output going to the window" disown will not help, as I mentioned before |
| 00:57.56 | OBcecado | hi, i'm running images on qemu, and i read there are some kind of "accelerators", kvm and kqemu |
| 00:58.00 | abrotman | linux2: it's not in etch/lenny/sid .. |
| 00:58.03 | OBcecado | which do you recommend ? |
| 00:58.12 | OBcecado | i'm on deb unstable latest kernel |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | kvm isn't for qemu .. |
| 00:58.38 | OBcecado | oh, i must've read wrong then |
| 00:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hm, it will not? Interesting.... but would kind of make sense.... |
| 00:58.47 | OBcecado | kqemu is the choice then |
| 01:00.09 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: try it. Run e.g. a find on /. Once to stdout, once to a file (including stderr). If it writes to a file, you can disown it, if it writes to the terminal, it will receive a SIGHUP (or SIGPIPE, don't remember) almost immediately (i.e. as soon as it writes to the closed terminal) |
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| 01:00.49 | hi__ | hi, i have a remote device configured to send it's activity log on a remote syslog server. I tryed to set a rule in syslog.conf but the messages are not redirected in the file i want. here is a log message example: 192.168.6.23 GS_LOG: [00:0B:82:22:33:11][000][FFFB][01010003] Ethernet link is up |
| 01:00.54 | hi__ | the config line i added to syslog.conf is: GS_LOG.* /var/log/gs |
| 01:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, no, that can't be true... I'll try. But a disowned process should never get SIGHUP/SIGPIPE |
| 01:01.08 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: that's why disown usually is not the answer to people's problems - but I mention it, if somebody asks if it "can be done" |
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| 01:01.58 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: It doesn't get the SIGHUP all jobs get, when the shell exits. It gets the SIG from the OS, when it tries to write to a closed FD |
| 01:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, my find still runs... |
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| 01:02.55 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: and you closed the terminal it writes to? |
| 01:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, that is probably because the FD is not closed as long as it's used |
| 01:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, yes... I closed the xterm |
| 01:03.13 | Tramp | hmmmmm |
| 01:03.25 | fiyawerx | hey guys, just got done installing, it seemed to go ok / partitioning / net-installed and all, but now when its booting i get hdc: lost interrupt, never seen that before, normally the disks detect as sdx's |
| 01:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, if you're talking console-only here... I don't use console often enough as if it'd matter for me |
| 01:03.44 | fiyawerx | its just hanging after the usb saying waiting for root filesystem and keeps putting up hdc: lost interrupts |
| 01:04.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, and I'm pretty sure I knew if writing to a closed xterm would kill processes... I don't think that even happens without disown |
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| 01:04.39 | klhrevolution | greetings |
| 01:05.24 | enouf | fiyawerx: so grub is all ok, and the kernel and initrd start loading? |
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| 01:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, yes, I can run find, send it to the background and close the shell/xterm... |
| 01:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, and you? :) |
| 01:06.13 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll try again - give me a minute.... |
| 01:06.16 | fiyawerx | its just hanging after the usb saying waiting for root filesystem and keeps putting up hdc: lost interrupts (sorry if this came up 2x using cgiirc) |
| 01:06.17 | enouf | fiyawerx: did you install with a special boot param like generic.ide_all=1 or something? kmuto image? |
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| 01:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, ha - anyways, Nostah1 can tell us in a minute - right now he's reading the JOB CONTROL chapter of bash in detail... perhaps even learning it by heart ;) |
| 01:07.01 | enouf | fiyawerx: you need to answer the questions not repeat the same semi-useless information |
| 01:07.21 | enouf | er, if i'm going to be able to try and help that is |
| 01:07.37 | Nostah1 | heh |
| 01:07.39 | fiyawerx | enouf: yessir |
| 01:07.46 | fiyawerx | enouf: no special params, just all default |
| 01:07.53 | fiyawerx | sorry if my client is running slow as heck |
| 01:08.05 | enouf | slow is ok |
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| 01:08.39 | micalet | Buenas, una curiosidad: Alguien sabe quien escribió y como era el comentario exactamente, escrito en el código de Unix, que decia algo asi como: No pretendo que entiendas esto ????? |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:08.46 | ravenbird | from memory, es is For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 01:08.47 | amphi | !es |
| 01:09.03 | metaperl_ | where can I find libstdc++5 for Debian/etch? |
| 01:09.11 | fiyawerx | sorry, my connection seems to be lagging 30+ seconds after i send something, had repeated the useless info both before i even saw it come up |
| 01:09.38 | enouf | !find libstdc++5 |
| 01:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, ha! that's interesting " Background processes which attempt to read from (write to) the terminal are sent a SIGTTIN (SIGTTOU) |
| 01:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:10.26 | metaperl_ | That's odd ... wajig search libstdc++5 returns nothing even though wajig search libstdc++ returns the package I'm looking for |
| 01:10.40 | enouf | @tell metaperl_ -about search |
| 01:10.51 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++5' returned no results. |
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| 01:11.15 | enouf | !tell metaperl_ -about search |
| 01:11.27 | enouf | it's old, isn't it? |
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| 01:13.27 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm. Well for me even all disowned processes die immediately as soon as I close the term |
| 01:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, well, I like the behavior of my processes better... |
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| 01:16.13 | metaperl_ | I'm trying to install sun-java5-bin ... and I am required to choose "OK" but I dont know how to actually select it... wajig install was running from a normal gnome x-windows terminal |
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| 01:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, wonder what the difference is... perhaps I did something for that - but I really can't remember anything |
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| 01:18.07 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: ah. My mistake. I did stop the find (Ctrl-Z), disowned and closed the terminal before restarting. This does not work. It has to be restarted. |
| 01:18.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 01:18.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, well, that is only sane... if there are stopped processes, it wouldn't make any sense to let them live on a close |
| 01:19.02 | metaperl_ | oh I see, use TAB to get to the <OK> field... and then hit RETURN... |
| 01:19.14 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: but then I have the described behaviour. the find to file continues running (with ppid of 1), the find to (closed) terminal dies |
| 01:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | metaperl_, it's those little things... |
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| 01:20.21 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, but the "stopped processes" are already disowned, so why should you kill them? |
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| 01:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hm... you can disown stopped processes? |
| 01:21.33 | nebM0ft | dpkg isn't working? |
| 01:21.35 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Why not? Or do you get an error? |
| 01:21.38 | nebM0ft | which pkg installs mysql? |
| 01:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, hehe - I get ""-bash: warning: deleting stopped job 1 with process group 26507" on a stopped job |
| 01:21.59 | Tramp | yeah. "Warning" |
| 01:22.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, and yeah - that one is killed for me also on exit |
| 01:22.32 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe I don't really understand what this warning means though ... |
| 01:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, it means you're releasing control over a process that doesn't even run... so you can't make it run from/with the shell anymore |
| 01:24.00 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. But I can send a SIGCONT to make it continue. imho it doesn't mean "this job will die if you close the shell" |
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| 01:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, no, it doesn't really say that |
| 01:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, I wonder though, why your background processes die |
| 01:25.17 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: For me, the expected behaviour would be, that it gets adopted by init (still stopped) and then continues on SIGCONT. But most probably there is something here which I do not fully understand |
| 01:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, I remember having that problem a long time ago :) |
| 01:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean that processes in the background would be killed |
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| 01:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, "env" doesn't show anything unusual for me - does "ulimit -a" show anything that could make the difference on your system? |
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| 01:28.16 | oaishdf | what's the current Debian Way of selecting a particular video driver for xorg |
| 01:29.12 | oaishdf | it looks like my xorg.conf is virtually empty yet i'm in a vesa server (i think) |
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| 01:29.49 | amphi | !drxx |
| 01:29.57 | amphi | argh |
| 01:29.58 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing that catches my eye |
| 01:30.08 | amphi | oaishdf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:30.15 | oaishdf | thanks |
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| 01:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:31.10 | oaishdf | amphi: that didn't ask any questions about video |
| 01:31.14 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks - it was for oaishdf |
| 01:31.27 | bolt | why doesn't bash abbreviate $HOME to ~ in the prompt anymore? it stopped doing that after an upgrade (lenny). my prompt still includes \w, which is supposed to do just that. |
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| 01:31.56 | abrotman | bolt: echo $HOME doesn't work ? |
| 01:31.57 | bolt | I get /home/bolt instead |
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| 01:32.03 | oaishdf | how does xorg know which driver to use when one isn't specified in xorg.conf, anyway |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | oaishdf: probing |
| 01:32.30 | bolt | abrotman: echo $HOME works perfectly. I also tried doing "HOME=/etc bash" and tried going to /etc. still no ~ |
| 01:32.42 | abrotman | why the hell would you do that ? |
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| 01:32.50 | abrotman | and why does it matter if it is ~ |
| 01:32.54 | bolt | just to test if it would give me a ~ |
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| 01:33.07 | bolt | abrotman: because it's supposed to. i'm used to that |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | never seen it do that .. ever |
| 01:33.28 | abrotman | not that i recall |
| 01:33.29 | rhombus | I created a udev rule for my digital camera. It generates the symlink just fine, but it points to the wrong device node. |
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| 01:33.33 | abrotman | bolt: check your changelogs .. |
| 01:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, he means in the prompt, I think... |
| 01:33.41 | rhombus | are you good with udev? |
| 01:33.43 | bolt | abrotman: what I get or the abbreviation? |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: the PS1/2 stuff ? |
| 01:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | then he should say that |
| 01:34.13 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: "why doesn't bash abbreviate $HOME to ~ in the prompt anymore". prompt, yes. |
| 01:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, he did |
| 01:34.34 | abrotman | oh damn it .. i thought he meant like "echo $HOME" was supposed to return "~" |
| 01:34.34 | n3kl | Can someone tell me why when I mount and nfs4 export, all the permissions for the directory show up as 4294967294 user? |
| 01:34.47 | oaishdf | yeah, it looks like xorg listed my pci ids. fancy |
| 01:34.50 | bolt | abrotman: why the heck would i want that? |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | bolt: that's what i couldn't figure out :) |
| 01:35.06 | jelly-home | n3kl: because that's the uid nfs4 uses for nobody? |
| 01:35.22 | bolt | abrotman: anyway, bash doesn't act as expected anymore. i tried downgrading to bash from stable, but with the same result |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | so what is your PS1 setting ? |
| 01:35.47 | n3kl | jelly-home: How can I change this? I would like to match uid/gid accross different machines. |
| 01:36.00 | bolt | abrotman: currently it's just "\w", to debug |
| 01:36.06 | jelly-home | n3kl: I have 0 experience with nfs4, sorry |
| 01:36.10 | bolt | abrotman: also tried \W |
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| 01:36.21 | abrotman | bolt: on my box .. \w shows as ~ when i'm in $HOME |
| 01:36.31 | n3kl | jelly-home: no prob, thanks |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | bolt: and i'm on lenny |
| 01:36.42 | bolt | abrotman: it does on this machine as well. just not on my laptop, which is the lenny machine having problems |
| 01:36.58 | abrotman | bolt: right .. this box is lenny and up to date .. no issue |
| 01:37.35 | bolt | abrotman: so it's probably some weird thing i've done. i just have no clue what. the $HOME variable is set correctly, and that should be all that's needed |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | from man bash " \w the current working directory, with $HOME abbreviated with a tilde |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | " |
| 01:38.16 | bolt | abrotman: yep. but it doesn't do that. |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | you broked it |
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| 01:38.53 | bolt | abrotman: obviously. i just can't see how. the only thing i've compiled myself on that box is the kernel |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | bolt: the man page says you can experience substitution etc |
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| 01:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, what happens as root (with su -) |
| 01:39.59 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: same thing |
| 01:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and cd ~ works? |
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| 01:40.40 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: with csh, however, I get the ~ |
| 01:40.55 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: cd ~works |
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| 01:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, try bash --norc --noprofile |
| 01:43.11 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: still the same :/ |
| 01:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, did you set the PS1 after starting a bash with these options? |
| 01:44.49 | Tramp | bolt: Did you check in the bash manpage (search for \\w) if something has changed? Though I doubt that. |
| 01:45.45 | Tramp | ah, abrotman pointed that out already ... |
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| 01:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, perhaps even bash --norc --noprofile -i -l |
| 01:46.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | then all you can do more is unset all environment variables |
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| 01:47.15 | nekostar | hey anyone do any heavy network modeling? |
| 01:47.20 | nekostar | several vms etc? |
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| 01:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, anyone |
| 01:48.46 | ravenbird | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:50.19 | enouf | Just a FYI - if anyone recalls me talking to [fiyawerx] most recently above - he ended up on the OFTC.net channel after rejoining and we fixed it by having him go into BIOS and Enable AHCI mode under the IDE/SATA Config options - He had 1 SATA HDD + 1 SATA CDROM drive in a Desktop machine |
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| 01:52.49 | enouf | <fiyawerx_> sata ahci mode disabled <fiyawerx_> sata port0-3 native mode disabled <enouf> fiyawerx_: please enable AHCI mode <fiyawerx_> Onboard sata/ide device enabled :: Onboard sata/ide ctrl mode IDE (Options are: ide ahci raid/ide) <-- we changed Both to AHCI mode -- more about all that http://linux-ata.org/faq.html |
| 01:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, what was the problem? |
| 01:53.45 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: er ..."and we fixed it by having him go into BIOS and Enable AHCI mode under the IDE/SATA Config options" |
| 01:54.08 | amphi | enouf: ahci as opposed to 'compatibility' mode or some such> |
| 01:54.08 | amphi | ? |
| 01:54.08 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: he initially was getting boot errors about hda not being found, one second |
| 01:54.13 | enouf | amphi: yep |
| 01:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ahh, that one |
| 01:54.27 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: that didn't work either (the --norc --noprobile -i -l), but it is definately some environment variable, cause i just saw it work in the vty's |
| 01:54.34 | amphi | enouf: yeah, I've seen many people suffering from that on the stinkpad list |
| 01:54.38 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: <fiyawerx> hey guys, just got done installing, it seemed to go ok / partitioning / net-installed and all, but now when its booting i get hdc: lost interrupt, never seen that before, normally the disks detect as sdx's |
| 01:55.06 | enouf | <fiyawerx> its just hanging after the usb saying waiting for root filesystem and keeps putting up hdc: lost interrupts |
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| 01:56.42 | zu22 | where is dpkg? seems offline |
| 01:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... just checked lastlog... think I was talking to someone else... might check what bios sais on a machine I have whith sata |
| 01:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | zu22, day off |
| 01:57.04 | zu22 | trying to find what package dhclient belongs to (need to install it) |
| 01:57.07 | zu22 | Cut: ah |
| 01:57.08 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: I made a tunnel from (local computer) --> (remote computer), so it works now |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | zu22: you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org to find it |
| 01:58.04 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: now I have my Blackberry, which is an overly priced piece as a remote control using ssh |
| 01:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal, yes, I did the same when I couldn't configure the NAT... but it didn't really work - the connection got cut.... |
| 01:58.12 | bolt | how can I use an environment variable in sed? line "sed 's/$FOO/$BAR/' ? |
| 01:58.38 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: my interest is to use it as a remote control for my Blackberry which has ssh without forwarding :) |
| 01:58.39 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: "the mb is a gigabyte p965-ds3, e6300 core 2 duo" <-- the Mobo (which i entirely missed him tell me), then <fiyawerx_> enouf: if you mean me, no - sata cdrom/hd, thats it, sda1/2 are windows partitions, sda3 is /, sda4 is swap |
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| 01:58.53 | Tramp | bolt: ' quotes $, " doesn't |
| 01:59.02 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: <fiyawerx_> I got a message 'Alert! /dev/sda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! <--actual error message |
| 01:59.06 | bolt | Tramp: ah |
| 01:59.12 | amphi | zu22: install apt-file ;) |
| 01:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal, /etc/inittab: 9:23:respawn:/usr/bin/sudo -u <youruser> /usr/bin/ssh <outside host> -R 2000:localhost:22 |
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| 01:59.35 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: lastly; <fiyawerx_> I'm pretty sure during the actual install the hd's were detected as sdax's |
| 01:59.37 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: excuse me, Blackberry == remote, so that is nice, boy I love having all in one remotes |
| 01:59.40 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you |
| 02:00.04 | enouf | sorry if i flooded a bit folks |
| 02:00.54 | nekostar | bah |
| 02:01.20 | nix_chix0r | enouf: time out for you |
| 02:01.31 | enouf | amphi: yep, and the newer p35 intel chipset requires the kmuto .23 image, IINM |
| 02:01.40 | rhombus | I could use some udev help -- I've created a udev rule, but the symlink it generates points to the wrong device node |
| 02:01.46 | rhombus | the symlink and rule are posted here: http://pastebin.ca/916964 |
| 02:01.53 | nix_chix0r | i dont think i like apt get |
| 02:01.55 | nix_chix0r | :( |
| 02:02.14 | amphi | nix_chix0r: aptitude! |
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| 02:02.28 | enouf | wow - the internet is slowly crumbling, heh |
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| 02:02.52 | rektide_ | just started playing bioshock |
| 02:02.54 | enouf | nix_chix0r: hrm, you a GUI chiX0Rz? |
| 02:02.59 | zu22 | amphi: cool program thx |
| 02:03.04 | bolt | is there a command similar to pwd, which will include the trailing slash so I can just append some filename, for instance? |
| 02:03.05 | rektide_ | erp wrong channe lpardon |
| 02:03.08 | nix_chix0r | enouf: not always |
| 02:03.12 | amphi | zu22: very handy, I find |
| 02:03.13 | nix_chix0r | but i really dont like gnome |
| 02:03.19 | zu22 | abrotman: k, thx |
| 02:03.22 | amphi | nix_chix0r: who does? ;) |
| 02:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ok :) |
| 02:03.29 | enouf | nix_chix0r: i like apt-get - maybe you need a howto |
| 02:03.29 | nix_chix0r | well its the darn default on debian |
| 02:03.31 | gravity | I like gnome |
| 02:03.37 | nix_chix0r | enouf: 'm reading the apt-get howto |
| 02:03.41 | nix_chix0r | and the debian tutorial |
| 02:03.46 | enouf | ok |
| 02:04.01 | nix_chix0r | i'm just being emo because i'm not a big fan |
| 02:04.05 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:04.15 | nix_chix0r | it's like |
| 02:04.15 | yigal | bolt: like "echo $PWD/" ? |
| 02:04.17 | enouf | gravity: hola - any xorg news? ;-) how about ati news? |
| 02:04.18 | nix_chix0r | portage please |
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| 02:04.29 | nix_chix0r | well enough about that |
| 02:04.29 | zu22 | portage? gtfo! :-P |
| 02:04.40 | nix_chix0r | lol |
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| 02:04.52 | jelly-home | bolt: what's wrong with append the slash yourself? |
| 02:04.55 | gravity | enouf: Um, you've heard about the docs release, right? |
| 02:05.00 | nix_chix0r | makes it so much easier |
| 02:05.05 | enouf | gravity: indeed ;-) |
| 02:05.05 | gravity | enouf: As for xorg, not much. People have been crazy at conferences lately |
| 02:05.10 | amphi | nix_chix0r: I like standalone WMs, I've never run a DE |
| 02:05.15 | jelly-home | appending, even |
| 02:05.25 | enouf | gravity: ok, just plugging along then - that's fine |
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| 02:05.31 | nix_chix0r | i usually use fluxbox or xfce |
| 02:05.49 | gravity | enouf: Yep |
| 02:05.55 | enouf | gravity: you explained to me here, not too long ago how the release of the docs would take time to implement, etc |
| 02:05.58 | yigal | bolt: I don't believe there is a specific function, you should either make a shell function or an alias |
| 02:06.02 | gravity | enouf: To be honest, I've been away for the past two weeks, so I'm not totally up to date |
| 02:06.16 | gravity | enouf: The main preparations for the 7.4 release have started tonight though |
| 02:06.20 | gravity | I guess that's sorta news |
| 02:06.21 | enouf | gravity: hey, no worries, just casual convo ;-) |
| 02:06.26 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:06.29 | enouf | that's cool |
| 02:06.47 | gravity | enouf: Well, to be fair, the ati driver just got lots of improved support due to the docs release already. Check out planet.freedesktop.org for the details |
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| 02:06.50 | gravity | textured video ftw |
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| 02:07.20 | enouf | gravity: nice - thanks for that - now i can watch/follow something ;-) |
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| 02:07.33 | gravity | enouf: Enjoy :-) |
| 02:07.58 | enouf | heh - lxr.linux.no is konked out - i wonder who cut the Undersea cable this time?! |
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| 02:08.52 | jelly-home | enouf: scandinavian terrorists! |
| 02:09.08 | amphi | enouf: those pesky lizard people again |
| 02:09.35 | enouf | haha |
| 02:09.58 | enouf | and they all work for the NSA and the FCC! |
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| 02:11.03 | amphi | enouf: the Veep |
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| 02:12.16 | enouf | please don't make me disparrage the D word :-P |
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| 02:13.56 | rhombus | Who here writes udev rules? |
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| 02:14.32 | enouf | hehe; CongressCritters Daily : Unless Bribes can be proven explicitly, so-called "Earmarks" are perfectly legal |
| 02:14.35 | Supaplex | !metaquestion |
| 02:14.40 | enouf | what a dump |
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| 02:16.20 | amphi | enouf: heh |
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| 02:18.11 | jelly-home | !test |
| 02:18.11 | ravenbird | Yes, jelly-home, you're still online. |
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| 02:20.11 | K_Dallas | Q: How do I activate compiz ? Installed the required packages, but I see nothing in the menu. I have a compiz command but is it the way to go? (btw, it is a virtualmachine under XP) thanks |
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| 02:21.03 | amphi | K_Dallas: I can't imagine compiz being too good in a vm |
| 02:21.39 | K_Dallas | amphi you are probably right, i was merely curious |
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| 02:21.58 | amphi | just start it from a term |
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| 02:22.30 | amphi | K_Dallas: or get fusion-icon to do it for you; you can grab it from gitweb.compiz-fusion.org |
| 02:22.45 | K_Dallas | thanks, will do just that |
| 02:23.05 | Penix | or just hit google and read one of the shite loads of compiz howtos |
| 02:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, would starting it from a "term"(?) work? it's a WM, right? |
| 02:23.16 | iateadonut | how do i get rid of gnome - apt-get remove ??? |
| 02:23.21 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesn't matter |
| 02:23.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just mean you normally already have a wm running.. |
| 02:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | does compiz go on top of that? |
| 02:23.52 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: that's why you tell it to replace the other one |
| 02:23.57 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
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| 02:24.21 | enouf | !remove gnome |
| 02:24.21 | ravenbird | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 02:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, not from a shell, though... you need to make the wm exec the new wm |
| 02:24.34 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 02:24.37 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: no, '[ENV VARS] compiz --replace [other args]' will work fine, and replace the current wm |
| 02:24.41 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: you give something like compiz a --reaplce arg |
| 02:24.43 | Penix | replace even |
| 02:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh |
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| 02:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and how is that supposed to work? |
| 02:25.04 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: by killing the current wm and starting compiz |
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| 02:25.06 | Penix | how else? |
| 02:25.06 | _ke | is something like this normal with my iptables firewall? http://home.cs.tum.edu/~siegel/files/Total-fw_conntrack-day.png |
| 02:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally X is tied to the WM process - killing it would end X |
| 02:25.15 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: no it's not |
| 02:25.30 | holwen | is there a way to recover what has been deleted with a 'rm' command? |
| 02:25.35 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: only if you execute the wm in the foreground of your .xsession or something |
| 02:25.40 | iateadonut | depends on the file system. |
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| 02:25.49 | rox | is there an usb key version of debian outthere? |
| 02:25.52 | iateadonut | holwen, what type of fs are you using? |
| 02:25.57 | iateadonut | if ext3, it's pretty tough. |
| 02:26.02 | holwen | iateadonut, ext2. |
| 02:26.05 | K_Dallas | amphi do i use gitweb.compiz-fusion.org as a repository? |
| 02:26.12 | Guerin | rox: debian can be installed on a usb key as-is. |
| 02:26.13 | Penix | holwen: then you might have a slight chance |
| 02:26.18 | iateadonut | try autopsy and foremost. |
| 02:26.21 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i've actually had kwin upchuck on me, not touch my x session or DE session , and was able to restart just the WM (kwin) |
| 02:26.23 | amphi | K_Dallas: no, git-pull it |
| 02:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, I don't even have a .xsession - but I'm sure if I exit the WM, I will exit my X session |
| 02:26.29 | iateadonut | holwen, what type of files did you delete? |
| 02:26.37 | path_ | !pr |
| 02:26.40 | holwen | iateadonut, just a .jpg file. |
| 02:26.41 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: then your X session is set up with your wm in the foreground |
| 02:26.43 | path_ | !po |
| 02:26.43 | ravenbird | it has been said that po is Piss Off or Post Office |
| 02:26.44 | K_Dallas | amphi, well, git-pull is all new to me. let me google it ;) |
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| 02:26.59 | path_ | !pt |
| 02:26.59 | ravenbird | pt is probably a Manuel |
| 02:27.01 | iateadonut | you should look into autopsy, definitely. learn how to use it just in case. |
| 02:27.11 | rox | Guerin: you are right |
| 02:27.13 | iateadonut | otherwise, foremost will recover every single .jpg you ever had. |
| 02:27.16 | Guerin | yes, I usually am |
| 02:27.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, yes... isn't that the default? - if it's not, what is the process it's tied to? From a distro point of view, only the wm makes sense |
| 02:27.19 | iateadonut | (and hasn't been written over) |
| 02:27.20 | susanne-- | so i've got a drive at /dev/sdj1, and i'm getting i/o errors committing writes to the journal, which makes the drive inaccessable. what might be causing this? it's a usb drive on ext3 |
| 02:27.22 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: all the window borders and Title bars go away, and clicking with mouse does nothing anywhere O_o hence; a relaunch of the WM only |
| 02:27.25 | holwen | iateadonut, is 'autopsy' a command or a program? |
| 02:27.26 | iateadonut | but, it recovers all of them, not just the one you want. |
| 02:27.33 | iateadonut | autopsy is a program. |
| 02:27.37 | iateadonut | let me see if it's in the repo's. |
| 02:27.39 | amphi | K_Dallas: git-pull git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/users/crdlb/fusion-icon |
| 02:27.50 | iateadonut | actually, autopsy is the html graphical interface to a set of forensic tools. |
| 02:27.52 | holwen | iateadonut, thks. |
| 02:27.55 | rox | Guerin: i have never done this, so i thought there might be some issues with bootability of such installation and maybe some other problems, which the debian installed doesn't solve |
| 02:27.58 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: something has to be the main foreground app in your session. *sometimes* it just happens to be the window manager |
| 02:28.02 | K_Dallas | amphi, thank you very much. i havent used debian in a few years ;) |
| 02:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, yes, I know that - when I let my WM exec an xterm, I get that behavior.. I know it - but it's not the default, afaik |
| 02:28.09 | iateadonut | once you run autopsy from the command line, it will tell you where to open up in your web browser. |
| 02:28.16 | iateadonut | foremost is really powerful too. |
| 02:28.19 | amphi | K_Dallas: you'll need to install git-core if you haven't |
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| 02:28.20 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: there is no 'default' for this |
| 02:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, yes... so what should it be, if not the WM? |
| 02:28.26 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: anything |
| 02:28.34 | K_Dallas | amphi, i will, thank you |
| 02:28.40 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: doesn't matter what it is. what matters is, if you kill it, X goes with it |
| 02:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, so you're saying, if someone just installs debian, it doesn't have any behavior in that regard... that's a joke? |
| 02:28.59 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: no. that's not a joke |
| 02:29.04 | iateadonut | i think apt-get install autopsy should install autopsy and sleuthkit for you, and then type autopsy as root in the command line, and you will get further instructions.s |
| 02:29.08 | enouf | holwen: other options maybe is testdisk and it's photorec util |
| 02:29.11 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: debian or X don't care what you run in the foreground in your X session |
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| 02:29.22 | holwen | enouf, thks. |
| 02:29.24 | enouf | !recover |
| 02:29.25 | ravenbird | it has been said that recover is http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, yes, but there must be SOMETHING - so what does a fresh debian install do? |
| 02:29.28 | enouf | gah |
| 02:29.29 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: it's up to the DE/WM or packager/package to decide |
| 02:29.41 | holwen | what is the risk of using unrelesed software like lenny? |
| 02:29.44 | rox | Guerin: do you have experience with such things? i was wondering, why usb key installations usually use a file mounted through loopback device to store changes, when they could have just used the regular filesystem |
| 02:29.47 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: a fresh install running what? gnome? kde? *box? |
| 02:29.51 | amphi | K_Dallas: it'll make a directory in $CWD called 'fusion-icon' - cd in there and read the destructions ;) |
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| 02:29.52 | enouf | holwen: i hear mc, midnight commander has an undelete feature for ext2 FS (ext3 == no way) |
| 02:30.13 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: it very well could be the case that gnome runs metacity in the 'foreground' |
| 02:30.14 | K_Dallas | i see. thanks amphi |
| 02:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, whatever... what's it in KDE or gnome, e.g. |
| 02:30.24 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: that doesn't stop you from changing that |
| 02:30.27 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i think it is the default behaviour |
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| 02:30.36 | holwen | enouf, i thought ext3 is supposed to be newer and therefore better than ext2. |
| 02:30.36 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: when using a DM too, that is |
| 02:30.52 | enouf | holwen: well, hehe, it is, but it's ext2 + journalling |
| 02:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, I know... I am fully aware you can change *anything* :) |
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| 02:30.54 | Guerin | rox: i've done it, but it was years ago, so i forget |
| 02:31.00 | enouf | holwen: and works differently |
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| 02:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, but metacity is the WM of gnome... |
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| 02:31.20 | enouf | holwen: fsck take much longer on ext2 - but, you can undelete files ;-P |
| 02:31.25 | Penix | well, this discussion *was* about whether it was *possible* to do what we were talking about |
| 02:31.35 | Penix | which is kill a wm and start a new one. regardless of bg/fg |
| 02:31.52 | amphi | K_Dallas: it's handy (assuming you have some sort of panel for it to live in), you can switch WMs, change decorators, and so on with it |
| 02:32.08 | Penix | CutMeOwnThroat: install a basic WM and try it out. start something besides the wm in the foreground, then kill the wm |
| 02:32.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, no, we weren't really - or you could say it depends... |
| 02:32.27 | Penix | *sigh* I'm off |
| 02:32.34 | _ke | is something like this normal with my iptables firewall? http://home.cs.tum.edu/~siegel/files/Total-fw_conntrack-day.png |
| 02:32.48 | enouf | gah - it's called /msg ravenbird undelete .. she left too :-( |
| 02:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, I have done that a lot... the point is, that by default, the WM is used to run in the foreground - it's the only sensible choice to present a user with (because the user probably exits the WM and expects the X session to end) |
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| 02:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, and so "replacing it" like that would not work - I never doubted it works when you change the config to run something else in the foreground |
| 02:33.36 | rox | Guerin: i was thinking of getting a usb key large and fast enough to hold a debian desktop installation that i could carry around and use when i need to use a computer that has some annoying OS installed. My idea was to partition it up and use something like 4G for / and the rest for /home and to use the thing like i use my own desktop machine. Do you see any issues i would have to deal with that i might not forsee? |
| 02:33.41 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: ps auxfwww and see if your WM is a subshell/child process of your X or DE or DM |
| 02:34.08 | enouf | (mine isn't) |
| 02:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Penix, but if the default is to run the WM in the foreground and you tell someone to do compiz --replace, then .... it should end X for him (if he didn't change the configuration to have the WM not run in the foreground) |
| 02:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, it is, I don't need to look it up |
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| 02:37.10 | Darkrift2 | anyone here know what ican do to fix apt-gets error "E: unable to determine a suitable packaging system type" ? |
| 02:37.20 | susanne-- | how long can i expect an e2fsck to take on a 750g drive? |
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| 02:37.40 | Darkrift2 | 3x as long as a 250g drive |
| 02:37.44 | Darkrift2 | how much did you pay for that thing |
| 02:37.47 | Darkrift2 | thats huge |
| 02:37.55 | susanne-- | nothing. ripped it off from work. |
| 02:38.01 | Darkrift2 | lol! |
| 02:38.04 | Darkrift2 | nice |
| 02:38.04 | susanne-- | i have four of them. |
| 02:38.08 | enouf | susanne--: try turning off write-caching .. somehow - maybe mounting using noatime would help too |
| 02:38.08 | Darkrift2 | wow |
| 02:38.17 | Darkrift2 | 3tb!! |
| 02:38.31 | rox | susanne--: half an hour |
| 02:38.41 | rox | susanne--: maybe a bit more |
| 02:38.45 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: mine isn't and no .xsession/.xinitrc here |
| 02:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, so what do you run in the foreground instead? |
| 02:39.08 | enouf | what foreground? |
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| 02:39.18 | susanne-- | enouf, eg defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime ? |
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| 02:39.24 | pete2 | i like this site |
| 02:39.25 | pete2 | http://neo-hk.myminicity.com/ |
| 02:40.04 | enouf | susanne--: in /etc/fstab, but certain options you can use -o remount,blah = or just umount, alter /etc/fstab and mount again |
| 02:40.43 | susanne-- | enouf, aye, as i'm running e2fsck on it, it's not currently mounted. so fstab is the way to go. :-) |
| 02:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... I remember when checking 250GB took... something in the hour range |
| 02:40.50 | enouf | susanne--: IINM , i think jffs2 is best for usb sticks/keys |
| 02:40.58 | enouf | susanne--: not sure - i don't do gadgets |
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| 02:41.14 | susanne-- | enouf, this isn't a stick, this is a drive, 750g. bit bigger than your average stick. |
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| 02:41.19 | enouf | susanne--: you go girl \o/ <snaps fingers + bobbles head> |
| 02:41.23 | enouf | oh |
| 02:41.25 | susanne-- | if it was a stick it would be vfat |
| 02:41.42 | enouf | susanne--: doesn't need to be - see ext2linux |
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| 02:41.59 | amphi | 750GB vfat partition doesn't bear thinking about ;) |
| 02:42.08 | enouf | (from those that brought you syslinux and isolinux) |
| 02:42.15 | susanne-- | enouf, i know, but when i've used that it's been horribly slow. |
| 02:42.22 | enouf | amphi: large stick eh? |
| 02:42.28 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:42.35 | susanne-- | stick it here? |
| 02:42.40 | susanne-- | sexwax, the best for your stick? |
| 02:43.04 | enouf | !confuse me |
| 02:43.05 | ravenbird | no them was their gerbil today ? |
| 02:43.06 | amphi | enouf: more of a club ;) |
| 02:44.25 | susanne-- | oh that's right the denizens of this channel wouldn't know about sexwax. |
| 02:44.29 | Darkrift2 | where could i go for soem help with apt? |
| 02:44.37 | enouf | O_o |
| 02:44.52 | bolt | How can I fix "echo $foo | sed 's/^\/a.//'" so that it will cut /a but still include the character the . matches, while still making sure it doesn't cut "/a" if "/a" is the only thing in there |
| 02:44.58 | Darkrift2 | ive tried 4 linux/debian channels and nobody seems to be able to help me, is there a chan for apt itself? |
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| 02:45.02 | rox | Darkrift2: just ask |
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| 02:45.11 | Darkrift2 | anyone here know what ican do to fix apt-gets error "E: unable to determine a suitable packaging system type" ? |
| 02:45.29 | enouf | wow |
| 02:45.31 | susanne-- | what are you doing when you get this error? |
| 02:45.33 | Darkrift2 | i installed apt on a very basic system |
| 02:45.41 | Darkrift2 | anything that starts with apt-get gives that error |
| 02:45.51 | enouf | Darkrift2: are you using debian? which release? |
| 02:46.00 | susanne-- | you installed apt on what kind of system? a debian box? what version of debian? |
| 02:46.03 | Darkrift2 | its a debian based distro, and its uncommmon |
| 02:46.10 | rox | Darkrift2: what does this "very basic system" mean? a very basic software installation=? |
| 02:46.13 | enouf | !based on debian |
| 02:46.14 | path_ | thats the problem |
| 02:46.14 | Darkrift2 | jlime |
| 02:46.16 | susanne-- | if it's not debian, no, we don't support it. |
| 02:46.20 | enouf | oh well |
| 02:46.25 | Darkrift2 | it is debian |
| 02:46.29 | Darkrift2 | it came with ipkg |
| 02:46.47 | Darkrift2 | and ive been converting .deb packages to ipkg, but dependancies are a p.i.t.a |
| 02:46.48 | susanne-- | it is, or it's not. you said it's based on, which means it's not. please check out the support offerings for your distribution. |
| 02:46.54 | enouf | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 02:46.55 | Darkrift2 | so im trying to get apt working |
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| 02:47.00 | enouf | Darkrift2: ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:47.14 | Darkrift2 | ok... |
| 02:47.29 | Darkrift2 | so i ask where i could go, you tell me to just ask, then when i ask, you tell me to go elsewhere |
| 02:47.35 | Darkrift2 | thanks for all the usefull information |
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| 02:47.47 | enouf | Darkrift2: we will support debian ;-) |
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| 02:48.03 | enouf | Darkrift2: tried ##linux and #linuxhelp ? |
| 02:48.24 | susanne-- | sucks to be him i guess. |
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| 02:50.14 | Nyle | lol |
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| 02:50.48 | Nyle | @hi |
| 02:50.53 | Nyle | ~hi |
| 02:50.54 | apt | hello, nyle |
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| 02:50.56 | Nyle | &hi |
| 02:51.04 | Nyle | only apt? |
| 02:51.08 | susanne-- | what i really want to do is put the four 750s into a single raid5 array. |
| 02:51.14 | woarpaj | what is the main diff between released and unreleased version of debian? |
| 02:51.22 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:51.38 | Nyle | can release/unreleased be any more obvious? |
| 02:51.40 | susanne-- | woarpaj ... the software included in them? the level of breakedness in it? uh ... |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | !hi |
| 02:51.44 | ravenbird | Many greetings, abrotman, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 02:52.03 | rox | woarpaj: the released one has been tested and fied up enough to satisfy debian standards for release |
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| 02:52.12 | rox | woarpaj: the unreleased one hasn't |
| 02:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, wow, you're greeted with more splendor than most |
| 02:52.21 | jmoncayo | hello guys anyone here has installed and configured psybnc |
| 02:52.22 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 02:52.23 | woarpaj | Nyle: the diff in words is obvious but not the diff in substance. |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | Nyle: it's ravenbird .. he doesn't sync to dpkg |
| 02:52.35 | ravenbird | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 02:52.41 | Nyle | abrotman: hm |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | so some stuff is there .. some is not |
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| 02:53.14 | Nyle | woarpaj: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=sid+faq&term=key |
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| 02:53.23 | Nyle | er. |
| 02:53.31 | Nyle | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 02:53.36 | woarpaj | rox, is unrelease less secure? |
| 02:53.42 | Nyle | very much so |
| 02:53.48 | Nyle | ~unstable |
| 02:53.48 | apt | well, unstable is http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l |
| 02:53.56 | Nyle | wtf, thats OOOOOLD |
| 02:54.14 | Nyle | no one is sync'd |
| 02:54.28 | Nyle | badgers, aptitude |
| 02:55.12 | jetscreamer | ~lart nyle |
| 02:55.12 | apt | strangles nyle with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | aptitude is ... but isn't here .. |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | !mhallsmite jetscreamer |
| 02:55.31 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite abrotman |
| 02:55.38 | jetscreamer | yes that is the one |
| 02:55.51 | jmoncayo | no one uses psybnc |
| 02:55.58 | woarpaj | is it safe to base a commercial system on unreleased lenny? |
| 02:56.03 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:56.50 | woarpaj | jetscreamer: why? |
| 02:57.01 | jetscreamer | !testing |
| 02:57.02 | ravenbird | from memory, testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. |
| 02:57.03 | rox | woarpaj: no |
| 02:57.12 | jetscreamer | sarge is now testing? |
| 02:57.15 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 02:57.18 | susanne-- | that's out of date. |
| 02:57.22 | jetscreamer | you think? |
| 02:57.35 | rox | woarpaj: for production system use stable and nothing other then stable |
| 02:58.10 | woarpaj | rox, stable is so old. |
| 02:58.15 | rox | woarpaj: and if you get tempted to use another distribution, because debian stable seems outdated, think again |
| 02:58.44 | woarpaj | rox, why? |
| 02:58.46 | susanne-- | in a commercial production system, latest greatest ghee-whiz is often not the operational requirement. the operational requirement is ... stability. |
| 02:58.47 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hi |
| 02:58.58 | rox | woarpaj: debian stable packages are so old, because it took so much time to test them thoroughly enough so they satisfy debian release standards |
| 02:59.02 | susanne-- | i.e., set it up, forget about it. if you have to jack with it, you've done something wrong. |
| 02:59.27 | Nyle | rox: why think again? |
| 02:59.28 | rox | woarpaj: other distributions are about as good as debian unstable or in best case testing |
| 03:00.31 | rox | Nyle: becaue you want a stable and secure system for your production environment and only debian stable provides that. debian testing or unstable doesn't and other distributions also don't |
| 03:00.44 | woarpaj | rox, what is against debian having only two versions, stable and unstable, where stable is as current as testing? |
| 03:00.51 | Nyle | rox: the point is... there was no thought to begin with ;) |
| 03:01.16 | Guerin | woarpaj: because then it would be testing, and just as broken as testing. |
| 03:01.52 | Guerin | woarpaj: if you want to use testing for your production kit, be our guest - just don't expect us to do so, or to have very much sympathy when it all comes tumbling down. |
| 03:02.09 | rox | woarpaj: what do you intend to use your system for? |
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| 03:02.25 | woarpaj | rox, e-commerce. |
| 03:02.34 | susanne-- | then you want stable. |
| 03:02.54 | rox | woarpaj: then don't even think about anything other then debian stable |
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| 03:03.22 | Guerin | <sigh> |
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| 03:03.36 | enouf | woarpaj: in case you haven't seen /topic, Etch == Stable |
| 03:03.39 | woarpaj | rox, stable means no more package update? |
| 03:03.50 | rox | woarpaj: age of most of the packages doesn't matter at all, if there is a specific package for which you need a newer version then that in stable, get a backport and install that |
| 03:03.52 | Slurpee_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.52 | Slurpee_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.52 | Slurpee_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.01 | Guerin | woarpaj: it means only security updates. |
| 03:04.07 | rox | woarpaj: only security updates go into stable |
| 03:04.12 | abrotman | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 03:04.15 | enouf | (and any major bug fxes) |
| 03:04.22 | susanne-- | stable means that it is supported for security updates, but you generally will not see software upgrades ported into stable. |
| 03:04.58 | wd | sorry guys.. where is the channel for debian for ppc/nubus mac please? |
| 03:05.10 | enouf | but backports exist -- and so do your own |
| 03:05.16 | jetscreamer | !ppc |
| 03:05.16 | ravenbird | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
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| 03:05.27 | wd | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 03:05.38 | enouf | wow, nubus |
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| 03:05.39 | susanne-- | i tried installing debian on an old world mac once. it was awful. |
| 03:05.44 | enouf | old world :-p |
| 03:05.49 | wd | susanne--, lol |
| 03:05.53 | susanne-- | wouldn't boot off cd. :-( |
| 03:05.56 | susanne-- | i gave up. |
| 03:06.03 | woarpaj | is there a definite guideline to determine when 'testing' has become 'stable'? |
| 03:06.17 | wd | well i'm installing debian sarge now.. don't laugh. |
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| 03:06.19 | enouf | !WIR |
| 03:06.19 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 03:06.23 | susanne-- | woarpaj, when a new release is pushed. |
| 03:07.04 | rox | woarpaj: don't get into the marketing mentality where newest means best. It is not so, in software the tried and tested things are best. Many tijmes people fall for marketing tricks and get the latest and greatest, but they end up with having to deal with bugs, which were introduced by the latest features while they only really needed features that have been in the software for years |
| 03:07.05 | enouf | wd: might want tosearch lists.debian.org (ppc or powerpc list?) |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | woarpaj: when the number of RC bugs has reached zero |
| 03:07.43 | wd | ? is installation says just install base, don't use X11 from cd.. i guess i'll have to use net to apt get X11.. base = console right? |
| 03:07.43 | wd | enouf, ok |
| 03:07.44 | rox | woarpaj: testing has become stable when it has been released |
| 03:07.45 | woarpaj | to put it another way, why can't things be tried and tested faster? |
| 03:07.58 | rox | woarpaj: because testing takes time |
| 03:08.14 | rox | woarpaj: look at it from this persoective: what latest features do you need? |
| 03:08.17 | susanne-- | wd, yes. base is enough to give you a text editor, fundamental networking, and so on. real productivity comes from other packages. netinst is your friend. |
| 03:08.34 | rox | woarpaj: or rather - what needs of yours are not met by debian stable? |
| 03:08.39 | woarpaj | rox, in the case, more people involved will shorten it. |
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| 03:09.31 | wd | susanne--, yes ok.... it's like a minimal install in gentoo i guess... sorry for cursing.. lol |
| 03:09.49 | wd | susanne--, can i apt-get using pcmcia modem. say yes. |
| 03:10.03 | woarpaj | rox, like new devices. |
| 03:10.06 | rox | woarpaj: you are building an e-commerce system, you will probably be needing some databases, maybe a webserver, perhaps a file server, some script interpreters and so on |
| 03:10.12 | pingouin | someone can tell me what are those log : /USR/SBIN/CRON[15695]: (root) CMD (/usr/local/rtm/bin/rtm 46 > /dev/null 2> /dev/null) |
| 03:10.16 | rox | woarpaj: new devices onyl need new kernels |
| 03:10.33 | rox | woarpaj: and kernels are allways backported |
| 03:10.57 | woarpaj | rox, will backport not contravene the security of stable? |
| 03:11.07 | rox | woarpaj: if you have new hardware you will porbably need a recent kernel and you will get that for debian stable allways |
| 03:11.09 | wiebel | hi, I'm having some dependency problems here, I do need liblablgtk2-ocaml which depends on ocaml-base-3.10.0 which does no longer exist but is (or should be) provided by ocaml-base, which is installed, but I still cant install liblablgtk2-ocaml. |
| 03:11.15 | wd | susanne--, still with me? |
| 03:11.27 | rox | woarpaj: a lot less then using a whole unstable system |
| 03:12.09 | woarpaj | rox, got a better picture of things, thks. |
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| 03:12.16 | rox | woarpaj: because then you will only have one package, that hasn't been tested thoroughly, as opposed to the whole disctibution of packages, which haven't been tested well |
| 03:12.30 | ross` | chmod 777 * on a directory isnt chmodding everythign inside it 777 |
| 03:12.42 | ross` | its not chmodding the other directories inside that directory |
| 03:12.44 | ross` | and their contents |
| 03:12.55 | ross` | its only doing the file contents of that 1 directory |
| 03:13.05 | ross` | its not doing sub folders |
| 03:13.39 | wiebel | is there an half-elegant way to make aptitude ignore that dependancy? |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | you don't want to |
| 03:14.19 | wiebel | right i don't want to, but I will if I have to ;) |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | no .. you really don't want to |
| 03:15.02 | badNIC | wait : 'chmod 777 *' does change directories in the current directories it just doesn't recurse into them! |
| 03:15.17 | jetscreamer | no shit |
| 03:15.23 | jetscreamer | -R |
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| 03:16.23 | wiebel | abrotman, ok, i really don't want to, then is there a way to make that ocaml-base-3.10.0 look like it is installed? (like inject in old gentoo) |
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| 03:16.52 | abrotman | wiebel: aptitude install ocaml-base ? |
| 03:17.02 | motin_0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.17 | wiebel | abrotman, ocaml-base is installed fine |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | so everything is perfect! |
| 03:18.02 | rox | wiebel: you probably have a versions problem. What are you running? |
| 03:18.03 | wiebel | no libablgtk2-ocaml doesnt belive ocaml-base to be ocaml-base-3.10.0 |
| 03:18.20 | wiebel | sid |
| 03:18.34 | rox | wiebel: that stuff happens in sid |
| 03:18.46 | wiebel | i knew you would say that :P |
| 03:18.48 | rox | wiebel: if you are running sid you should be able to deal with that |
| 03:18.57 | abrotman | wiebel: paste the error somewhere |
| 03:19.56 | wiebel | abrotman, is LANG=DE ok? |
| 03:20.13 | Supaplex | try LANG=C :) |
| 03:20.16 | Supaplex | otherwise, |
| 03:20.18 | Supaplex | !de |
| 03:20.18 | abrotman | LANG=C <command> |
| 03:20.18 | ravenbird | desktop environment like KDE, Gnome, or CDE. |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | wiebel: guess how many german words i know ... |
| 03:20.47 | Supaplex | NIN :P |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | the beer related ones ;) |
| 03:21.54 | wiebel | abchirk, http://rafb.net/p/nyQBgU24.html |
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| 03:22.02 | abrotman | oh .. abchirk can read it! |
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| 03:22.19 | abrotman | wiebel: there's more than that ... but whatever |
| 03:22.25 | wiebel | sry abchirk:abrotman |
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| 03:23.37 | abrotman | wiebel: which architecture ? |
| 03:23.46 | wiebel | x86 |
| 03:23.49 | wiebel | 586 |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | i386 :) |
| 03:24.06 | wiebel | ack ;) |
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| 03:24.27 | Supaplex | 386sx16 with 512k ram! |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | wiebel: you did an aptitude update .. right ? |
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| 03:24.30 | Supaplex | not. :P |
| 03:24.51 | wiebel | abrotman, yes but i must admit that i didn't do a full-upgrade lately |
| 03:25.19 | abrotman | wiebel: what could possibly go wrong |
| 03:25.46 | wiebel | that is a question i fear to find the answer to ;) |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | wiebel: apt-cache policy ocaml-base .. do the candidate and installed differ ? (make sure you do an aptitude update first) |
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| 03:28.16 | wiebel | abrotman, both are 3.10.1-1 |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | wiebel: and liblablgtk2-ocaml ? |
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| 03:31.42 | K_Dallas | Q: running debian as VM in XP (virtualbox) I have some problem with sound. Preferences -> sound, i have selected the system sound and it works fine, i hear them all but when i play a wav file either by mplayer or vlc, ... they all ways no sound, cannot initialize sound ... what am i missing? Thanks |
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| 03:32.09 | wiebel | abrotman, none installed, Candidate 2.10.0-4 |
| 03:32.15 | icesword | how could i upgrade gnome 2.14 to 2.18? |
| 03:32.40 | abrotman | !info liblablgtk2-ocaml sid |
| 03:32.45 | K_Dallas | icewo |
| 03:32.53 | icesword | K_Dallas, |
| 03:33.11 | ravenbird | liblablgtk2-ocaml: (runtime libraries for OCaml bindings for Gtk+ version 2), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 146 kB, Installed size: 492 kB |
| 03:33.22 | K_Dallas | icesword, if i sm not midtskrn you might want to add repositories for sid, ... to get the new gnome |
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| 03:33.34 | K_Dallas | but i might be totally wrong. |
| 03:33.39 | abrotman | wiebel: you're slightly out of date |
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| 03:34.11 | icesword | K_Dallas, your debian is in vm,how much mem you give it |
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| 03:34.25 | K_Dallas | icesword, about 1G |
| 03:34.46 | icesword | :) |
| 03:34.48 | icesword | great |
| 03:34.57 | icesword | i give it 76m,hahah |
| 03:34.59 | K_Dallas | :) seems to be working really well |
| 03:35.00 | rox | K_Dallas: maybe you are running something that is locking your sound device, like ESD or something similar |
| 03:35.37 | K_Dallas | rox, i hear the sounds when i go to the preferences but i cannot play anything else if i run them thru vlc for insstance |
| 03:35.45 | K_Dallas | which is weird for me |
| 03:36.13 | rox | K_Dallas: that is what i am talking abuot, are you running gnome or kde? |
| 03:36.19 | K_Dallas | gnome |
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| 03:36.57 | abrotman | K_Dallas: please don't ever do that |
| 03:37.33 | rox | K_Dallas: then maybe you have a problem with your sound daemon. try logging out and removing the ~/.esd_xxx file |
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| 03:37.56 | K_Dallas | rox ok i will try that |
| 03:38.01 | rox | K_Dallas: i don't know the exact file name, it's ~/.esd_<something> |
| 03:38.10 | K_Dallas | let me check |
| 03:38.37 | wiebel | abrotman, made update again,but no change, maybe ftp2.de.debian.org is not that up-to-date |
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| 03:38.48 | abrotman | wiebel: it's possible |
| 03:39.04 | K_Dallas | rox i have .esd_auth |
| 03:39.23 | K_Dallas | rox so i delete this and reboot? |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | just kill esd/esound |
| 03:39.31 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 03:39.38 | rox | K_Dallas: no need to reboot |
| 03:39.44 | K_Dallas | all right |
| 03:40.59 | wiebel | you wouldn't believe how much better sound works with a hardware mixer, i highly recommend a sound card with that feature. *g* |
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| 03:41.35 | Penix | very true |
| 03:41.43 | K_Dallas | oh boy! abrotman, rox why does it work like this? What is that esd doing which stops vlc from using the sound driver? Now it works by the way |
| 03:41.46 | abrotman | wiebel: maybe if there weren't 4525 sound systems for linux ... |
| 03:41.47 | wiebel | no more fighting against arts/esd/jack whatever |
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| 03:42.14 | abrotman | K_Dallas: esd is the enlightenment sound daemon .. it's something gnome uses .. it's really just a pain in the neck |
| 03:42.26 | abrotman | esd is short bus special |
| 03:42.28 | wiebel | abrotman, if they would at least stop locking the dsp after use much would be won |
| 03:42.34 | K_Dallas | i see. how can i stop it from running in the first place? |
| 03:42.45 | abrotman | uninstall it ? |
| 03:42.52 | Penix | or disable it in the prefs dialog |
| 03:42.59 | K_Dallas | oh, good answer :) let me try just that |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | K_Dallas: please do not ever recommend that someone should use unstable |
| 03:44.26 | rox | K_Dallas: so your sound is functioning now? |
| 03:44.43 | K_Dallas | abrotman, my bad. even though a few years back i only used it for the latest tetex but all right, wouldnt do it again |
| 03:44.48 | K_Dallas | rox yes it does |
| 03:44.57 | abrotman | wiebel: are you trying another mirror ? |
| 03:45.58 | icesword | will gnome 2.18 run in 76m ram? |
| 03:46.09 | Penix | no |
| 03:46.15 | Penix | icesword: not gnome as we all know it |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | it might run .. but it will be slow |
| 03:46.33 | K_Dallas | which package is responsible for ESD ? when i search synaptic, there are too many packages containing esd. thanks |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | esound i believe |
| 03:46.51 | icesword | hehe,yes i will upgrade my 2.14 to 2.18 |
| 03:47.07 | K_Dallas | gstreamer, is that the one and if i uninstall that, would the system still function, audio-wise? |
| 03:47.11 | abrotman | icesword: why? |
| 03:47.15 | rox | icesword: try something lighter, like dwm ion or something |
| 03:47.17 | abrotman | K_Dallas: not that one |
| 03:47.19 | Penix | K_Dallas: no, like abrotman said, it's esound |
| 03:47.25 | wiebel | K_Dallas, the "higher" DEs (Gnome,Kde) want to stay in touch with the sound HW to mak e sounds whenerver they want (like "whoah you now really know you maximized that window") so to make it possible for other apps to play sounds while they do those thing the introdused those daemons. But not every app is aware of those daemons so .... |
| 03:47.28 | icesword | coz 2.14 is ugly |
| 03:47.43 | abrotman | icesword: so use a theme .. 2.18 isn't really any better looking |
| 03:47.45 | K_Dallas | no esound for me |
| 03:47.59 | icesword | ok,what about mac4lin |
| 03:48.09 | Penix | wth is that? |
| 03:48.24 | icesword | that is mac theme for linux (gnome) |
| 03:48.25 | wiebel | abrotman, no I'll delay that problem until thuesday, maybe I'll be back then, but thanks so far |
| 03:48.29 | Penix | icesword: what about it? |
| 03:48.36 | rox | K_Dallas: sound daemons were an ugly workaround for when linux kernel sound didn't support stream interpolation yet |
| 03:48.41 | abrotman | wiebel: http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ .. your mirror seems slightly out of date |
| 03:48.50 | rox | K_Dallas: they are useless since alsa got out |
| 03:49.08 | icesword | it is in sourceforge.net,a package makes your debian very much like mac os x |
| 03:49.20 | Penix | icesword: that's nice. go use it then |
| 03:49.22 | K_Dallas | rox i remember about linux and sound problems. it was not good ;) |
| 03:49.40 | icesword | Penix, but i don't know how to install it, |
| 03:49.47 | Penix | icesword: then learn how to |
| 03:49.49 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 03:49.53 | Penix | icesword: we're not gonna do it for you |
| 03:50.04 | rox | K_Dallas: linux has no rpoblems with sound any more, it's just the gnome people, who for some idioic reason refuse to bury their esd idiotic thing |
| 03:50.08 | icesword | abrotman, do you have anything better |
| 03:50.10 | K_Dallas | rox but i fail to find a package to uninstall to remove esd! all i have got are the gstreamer-esd and libesd |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | rox: it's not just gnome |
| 03:50.16 | Penix | icesword: buy a copy of OS X |
| 03:50.19 | abrotman | icesword: use gnome 2.14 |
| 03:50.36 | icesword | os x is over priced |
| 03:50.40 | rox | abrotman: i thought kde ditched artsd |
| 03:50.50 | Penix | icesword: then use a normal gnome desktop and be happy |
| 03:50.56 | icesword | k |
| 03:50.56 | abrotman | rox: maybe in 4.x .. but 4.x isn't in debian officially |
| 03:51.16 | rox | K_Dallas: find the package that contains it |
| 03:51.19 | fsmunoz | icesword: http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac seems to offer good advice... just hsaring because I wwnt looking for what it was. |
| 03:51.25 | abrotman | rox: and apparently 4.x is a pretty buggy |
| 03:51.46 | fsmunoz | Not my cup of tea in any event |
| 03:51.51 | icesword | fsmunoz, yes,sir ,coz i am using gnome 2.14 now,it is not easy |
| 03:51.58 | K_Dallas | rox that is what i did, i searched by synaptic (title and context) and got some 9 packages installed which have something to do with esd |
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| 03:52.07 | rox | K_Dallas: i think the package is esound |
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| 03:52.26 | fsmunoz | icesword: oh,ok, you already had said that, they seem to require 2.18. |
| 03:52.36 | icesword | :( |
| 03:52.41 | rox | K_Dallas: use apt-file for searching of particular files |
| 03:52.52 | K_Dallas | rox my bad. i assumed esound had esd in it description ;) |
| 03:53.02 | fsmunoz | Anyway,these "lookalike" themes are rather, er, lame IMO, but horses for courses I suppose. |
| 03:53.06 | K_Dallas | but esound it there and installed. going to remove it right away |
| 03:53.07 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 03:53.09 | Penix | another reason not to use synaptic |
| 03:53.26 | icesword | another question,i don't have synaptic now,could i "apt-get install synaptic" |
| 03:53.29 | abrotman | or to listen to me when i told him it was esound 10 minutes ago :) |
| 03:53.55 | fsmunoz | icesword: I don't see why not... |
| 03:53.58 | K_Dallas | abrotman, :) you are right but i was looking into my synaptic search result to find esound, that is why i didnt see it |
| 03:54.10 | abrotman | i told you what it was! |
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| 03:54.16 | Penix | and I reminded you |
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| 03:54.25 | icesword | coz when i lanuch aptitude ,it is a cli one |
| 03:54.35 | wiebel | abrotman, ok i just changed to esslingen now it actually works, amazing ;) |
| 03:54.36 | Penix | icesword: because that's aptitude, not synaptic |
| 03:54.37 | abrotman | icesword: aptitude install syntaptic |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | wiebel: yeah .. ftp2.de hasn't synced since thursday |
| 03:54.55 | icesword | yes,i just dunno the command |
| 03:55.00 | abrotman | icesword: aptitude install syntaptic |
| 03:55.06 | icesword | k |
| 03:55.11 | Penix | bah. it's still sunday in places. got me again |
| 03:55.35 | icesword | abrotman, thank you and penix and all |
| 03:55.36 | abrotman | ist amlsot lkie i tpye porloy |
| 03:56.24 | K_Dallas | now, if i try to remove esound in synaptic, it wants to remove a whole lot of other packages such as webbrowser etc. would that be safe? or i have to do it commandline? |
| 03:56.26 | jetscreamer | you do |
| 03:56.31 | jetscreamer | very poorly |
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| 03:56.54 | Penix | you should be able to remove esound without removing important stuff. it's just esound-common that's needed afaik |
| 03:57.03 | Penix | but, I don't use synaptic, so.... |
| 03:57.19 | wiebel | K_Dallas, it depends, do you really need a web-browser? *duck* |
| 03:57.22 | K_Dallas | Penix, yes but to remove esound-common it lists over 10 other packages |
| 03:57.25 | abrotman | if he used aptitude .. it will remove gnome .. and then other stuff will think you don't want gnome anymore ... |
| 03:57.29 | K_Dallas | wiebel, nah, i use lynx ;) |
| 03:57.32 | beardy | Use aptitude. |
| 03:57.42 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | eww |
| 03:57.59 | beardy | Since that is one of the only 10 or so lines of me today, I mean it. |
| 03:58.01 | rox | tasksel is all you ever need |
| 03:58.02 | Penix | I know I've got no esound with esound-common installed to keep the deps happy |
| 03:58.03 | K_Dallas | dselect, dont remembr having tried it before |
| 03:58.11 | jetscreamer | thus spake teh_skillless |
| 03:58.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, god? |
| 03:58.20 | ravenbird | god is probably Knuth, Turing, Gödel. the Truth of Righteousness; the Eternal entity and The Good that only few recognize; find His Love and His Light. Go now, and learn his ways, my friend. And oh, cafuego! |
| 03:58.22 | liable | K_Dallas: you dont want to either |
| 03:58.34 | jetscreamer | K_Dallas: you won't want to unless you like ugly and morst functional..aka work best |
| 03:58.36 | Penix | jetscreamer: potato must be your god ;) |
| 03:58.40 | jetscreamer | looks worst |
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| 04:04.57 | optraz1 | hi, when we mount the partition with noatime and nodirtime, how do we actually test it? |
| 04:06.02 | susanne-- | noatime didn't solve ext3's failure to write to the journal and the subsequent disconnection of the drive. i imagine at this point i should be backing the drive up? |
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| 04:07.25 | optraz1 | susanne--: ? |
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| 04:08.08 | susanne-- | optraz1, usb drive formatted ext3 disconnecting for some unknown reason. dmesg log at http://pastebin.com/d2fac97d5 |
| 04:08.23 | iateadonut | how do you install flash? |
| 04:08.48 | susanne-- | !flash |
| 04:08.57 | iateadonut | !flash |
| 04:10.23 | optraz1 | susanne--: so you are using noatime for the usb drive? |
| 04:10.32 | susanne-- | optraz1, yes. |
| 04:10.41 | susanne-- | that was the previous suggestion |
| 04:11.06 | optraz1 | mmm. then that is different case than mine. |
| 04:11.29 | optraz1 | mine mounted just fine. im thinking on how to test the noatime for a file. |
| 04:12.05 | optraz1 | this is the definition in man 8 mount, noatime, Access timestamps are not updated when a file is read. |
| 04:12.18 | optraz1 | but how do actaully test this? |
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| 04:14.08 | susanne-- | well time to back up the drive just in case. rsync here i come. and this will take HOW MANY DAYS? |
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| 04:19.22 | Phusion | how can i limit users from seeing processes other than their own, as well as users logged in etc in etch? |
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| 04:20.09 | jonka | i got an internal sata disk and an external usb disk, linux sees them as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb respectively, and allways has seen them so until recently. From last kernel upgrade onwards, the kernel sometimes switches order, so it sees the external usb disk as /dev/sda and tries to mount /deb/sda1 it as root filesystem, so boot fails. What can i do to prevent that from happening? |
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| 04:21.00 | fignew | jonka: you can set fstab to identify the drives based off of uuid |
| 04:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | welcome back, dpkg |
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| 04:21.21 | fignew | uuid = unique drive identifer :) |
| 04:21.44 | fignew | Phusion: why would you want to do that? |
| 04:21.58 | fignew | Phusion: you might be able to do that with SELinux |
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| 04:22.09 | Phusion | fignew: it happens by default in etch, no? |
| 04:22.23 | Phusion | for some reason my server install has it disabled |
| 04:22.29 | fignew | Phusion: what happens by default? |
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| 04:22.46 | Phusion | users not being able to see processes other than their own, even if they run a ps aux or something... |
| 04:23.08 | fignew | no way. |
| 04:23.12 | Phusion | yaway |
| 04:23.38 | fignew | I've never even heard of that being done... and I've been on Bigiron unix systems with 200+ people logged in at once |
| 04:23.43 | Phusion | wtf, impossible |
| 04:24.00 | Phusion | someone please step in on this, someone has to know what im talking about lol |
| 04:24.17 | Phusion | i have debian 4.0 installed on a few boxes and they do that by default |
| 04:24.18 | jonka | fignew: where do i find a drive's UUID ? |
| 04:24.25 | Phusion | i just came across this one now that doesn't have it enabled, so i want to enable it |
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| 04:24.37 | wols | !label |
| 04:24.41 | wols | ~uudi |
| 04:24.43 | susanne-- | it's not by default. |
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| 04:24.53 | icesword | wols, hi |
| 04:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phusion, definitely not... |
| 04:25.01 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.04 | Phusion | perhaps the OS that was installed by my provider is modified then, but it is their "standard" debian install |
| 04:25.17 | Phusion | how would i go about doing it on a system that has it disabled then? |
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| 04:25.22 | susanne-- | then you might ask them how they rolled it. stock debian doesn't do that. |
| 04:25.25 | fignew | jonka: right, what they said: here's a howto: http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/321/fstab-with-uuid/ |
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| 04:25.41 | Phusion | hmm |
| 04:25.47 | liable | stock debian does let a user see even roots processes |
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| 04:26.05 | Phusion | ahh shit. |
| 04:26.08 | fignew | Phusion: (told ya so :P) are you sure that it wasn't a virtual computer? |
| 04:26.08 | Phusion | it must be grsec doing that |
| 04:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phusion, perhaps it's just obscure... and uses a hacked ps :) |
| 04:26.16 | jonka | fignew: thank you |
| 04:26.21 | NetEcho | Does anyone here who uses VLC media player know how to solve region issues for some reason the linux version of vlc shoots back a region error |
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| 04:26.40 | Phusion | yeah, grsec does it. my bad folks |
| 04:27.00 | NetEcho | http://debian.pastebin.com/m45068072 <-- this is the vlc error |
| 04:27.27 | susanne-- | usb drive disconnects mysteriously. output log here: http://pastebin.com/d2fac97d5 is this drive in need of a format or something? or is it, like, going to sleep because of inactivity? |
| 04:28.12 | fignew | NetEcho: that's a pretty deep error |
| 04:28.27 | fignew | only a VLC dev/guru will know what that means ;P |
| 04:28.34 | NetEcho | it says suspected region protection right before that |
| 04:28.52 | NetEcho | linux doesn't seem to recognize that my dvd+/-rw drive can read both region 1 and 2 |
| 04:29.11 | fignew | If I understand correctly... linux shouldn't care :P |
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| 04:29.42 | NetEcho | well I'm guessing it requires some form of library to be able to properly decode it |
| 04:29.48 | fignew | susanne--: can you hear the drive going to sleep? |
| 04:29.58 | fignew | VLC has that all built in |
| 04:30.05 | NetEcho | no it has codecs built in |
| 04:30.09 | NetEcho | not actual libraries |
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| 04:30.17 | jonka | damnit, somebody stole my nickname |
| 04:30.19 | susanne-- | fignew, too much other noise around. i've got 7 other drives plus the mac next to it. |
| 04:30.21 | NetEcho | see VLC and Totem can't play a standard dvd |
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| 04:30.44 | jonka | and seems to be having a script which takes it as soon as i have nickserv release it |
| 04:30.46 | susanne-- | fignew, and it's only done this today. i've had this drive up in this configuration for at least a week |
| 04:30.53 | fignew | VLC has always been able to play DVDs out of the box for me: linux, windows, mac |
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| 04:31.25 | fignew | jonka: /msg nickserv ghost mynick mypass |
| 04:32.00 | fignew | then /nick quickly into it before it can reconnect |
| 04:32.57 | susanne-- | is there a way to get rsync to calculate an overall transfer eta, not just per-file? |
| 04:33.21 | fignew | susanne: smartctl -a /dev/sdj |
| 04:33.35 | susanne-- | fignew, can this be done while mounted? |
| 04:33.39 | fignew | yes |
| 04:33.57 | fignew | do you see any failures? |
| 04:34.10 | rox | fignew: thanx |
| 04:34.17 | susanne-- | fignew: not installed. |
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| 04:34.34 | fignew | apt-get install smartmontools |
| 04:35.12 | fignew | rox :) |
| 04:35.22 | fignew | I can see why that nick would be taken |
| 04:35.35 | wols | susanne--: do a long test |
| 04:35.56 | fignew | wols: drive has to be unmounted for a long test right? |
| 04:36.01 | wols | no |
| 04:36.05 | fignew | ok |
| 04:36.17 | susanne-- | usb drives don't support smart? |
| 04:36.22 | wols | yes |
| 04:36.38 | susanne-- | so smartctl will not tell me anything useful, correct? |
| 04:36.43 | fignew | they don't? |
| 04:36.49 | wols | well they do but the usb transport doesn't relay smart info |
| 04:36.58 | fignew | well that's stupid as hell |
| 04:37.08 | wols | it is but that#s hardware for you |
| 04:37.14 | susanne-- | yeah the bare drive does, but i don't want to crack the case and i don't have a place to hang it if i did. |
| 04:37.44 | susanne-- | cizzi, ask in the channel, not in msg. |
| 04:37.56 | rox | fignew: why, what is so special about it? |
| 04:38.00 | cizzi | susanne-- are you running debian? |
| 04:38.24 | fignew | well, there's a filemanager by that name, and short names are always in demand :) |
| 04:38.41 | Tramp | susanne--: I had this problem with an usb drive too (yes, it goes to sleep, but it also wakes up again). But sometimes it also disconnected completely. I only could fix it by moving it to a different usb controller (away from an USB hub) |
| 04:39.00 | wols | fignew: rox is a whole suite. not just rox-filer |
| 04:39.11 | fignew | wols: right |
| 04:39.16 | susanne-- | cizzi, no i participate here and ask questions about debian that i pull out of my ass. i actually run yggdrasil. |
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| 04:39.25 | fignew | it's been years since I last used rox-filer |
| 04:39.32 | fignew | 4? |
| 04:39.36 | cizzi | susanne-- watch your language please |
| 04:39.53 | wols | cizzi: wat flying monkey fuck do you mean? |
| 04:40.03 | fignew | lol, I'm not running debian ;) |
| 04:40.10 | susanne-- | okay. i retrieve questions from the recesses behind my anal sphincter. now go away. |
| 04:40.11 | fignew | well... not on this computer at least |
| 04:40.25 | rox | fignew: i don't use it either, it's my name |
| 04:40.31 | wols | fignew: as long as you don't ask about these evil other OSes it's all good |
| 04:40.46 | fignew | I HAV UBUNTUU QUESTION |
| 04:41.00 | wols | fignew: II have a stick to beat you senseless with |
| 04:41.12 | fignew | :) |
| 04:41.17 | susanne-- | Tramp, what kinda errors were you seeing? What I'm getting is posted at http://pastebin.com/d2fac97d5, was yours anything similar? |
| 04:41.51 | rox | fignew: you forgot to append an arbitrary number of exclimation marks |
| 04:41.56 | wols | susanne--: did the usb drive go to sleep? seagate or such brand name drive? |
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| 04:42.11 | fignew | hah :) |
| 04:42.30 | wols | susanne--: looks more like a usb interface problem than a drive problem |
| 04:42.38 | fignew | wols: ohhh yea! good point... those segate drives are really bad! |
| 04:42.41 | fignew | seagate* |
| 04:42.43 | icesword | i met a guy the other day,he started from ubuntu server ,after a "sudo apt-get upgrade",it turned into "ubuntu desktop",he just showed up for asking how to uninstall desktop,hahahha |
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| 04:42.54 | Tramp | susanne--: I remember the "rejecting I/0 to dead device" for sure. The FS-errors were different, since I'm running xfs, not ext3 |
| 04:43.10 | fignew | XFS <3 |
| 04:43.58 | susanne-- | wols: dunno. it's not a seagate, it's branded accomdata i believe, but i have no idea who made the internal unit. i'm currently doing an rsync copy of the data, i can jack with it once the data is preserved, but as there are 290g on it, that may take a few minutes. however, this is something new, within the last 24 hours, and this drive has been running in this configuration for a while. |
| 04:44.30 | susanne-- | but i can certainly try moving the plug directly to the mac and off the usb hub. |
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| 04:45.51 | Tramp | susanne--: in my case it was definitely the USB crap. Since I moved it, it runs flawlessly |
| 04:46.20 | susanne-- | as i say once the data is secure, i'll give it a shot. |
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| 04:51.22 | susanne-- | i guess this means i have to trace the cable too. damn. |
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| 04:57.00 | Rusty1 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/09/0651200 susanne-- theres other stuff out there on this |
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| 05:00.46 | martian67 | how do i use setgid and setuid on files in debian? |
| 05:01.06 | martian67 | i tried chmod 6755 file.sh |
| 05:01.13 | martian67 | but it still says i am not root when i exec it |
| 05:01.32 | oiahsdf | how do i get the borders of text dialogs to show up right in X terminals? also, some characters (such as quotes) are rendered as boxes or question marks |
| 05:02.37 | Penix | oiahsdf: check what TERM is set to while inside the X terminal |
| 05:03.59 | oiahsdf | it's set to xterm or Eterm, depending on which one i want to not see glyphs on |
| 05:04.22 | icesword | !tell icesword about chinese site |
| 05:04.29 | rox | martian67: maybe you are on a noexec filesystem |
| 05:04.31 | Penix | icesword: /msg the bot |
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| 05:04.45 | martian67 | rox, no.. |
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| 05:06.37 | rox | martian67: see chmod manpage |
| 05:06.51 | martian67 | rox, you are not being helpful |
| 05:07.04 | Penix | neither are you |
| 05:07.06 | martian67 | ive set the mode properly |
| 05:07.10 | rox | martian67: oh, btw, if it's a shellscript, then it will not run setuid no matter what you do |
| 05:07.16 | icesword | how to rebuild my sources.lst,now i have only ftp.tw.debian.org and security.debian.org in it |
| 05:07.19 | martian67 | :/ |
| 05:07.33 | ryty | icesword: try apt-spy |
| 05:07.35 | martian67 | rox, no way to change that? |
| 05:07.53 | rox | martian67: no, it's hardcoded in the kernel |
| 05:07.57 | icesword | ryty, i have downloaded it,but dunno how to use it |
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| 05:08.10 | ryty | icesword: man apt-spy |
| 05:08.10 | rox | martian67: or at least it has been last time i checked |
| 05:08.11 | Penix | icesword: what makes you think you need to 'rebuild' anything? |
| 05:08.19 | Penix | icesword: what other repo's do you want? figure it out, then add them |
| 05:08.43 | icesword | coz tw is not latest and it is slow:( |
| 05:08.43 | martian67 | rox, any suggestions? |
| 05:08.55 | rox | martian67: make it a binary |
| 05:08.56 | oiahsdf | actually, it looks like Eterm can display characters over 160, but screen somehow fattens them into strings of three characters looking like � |
| 05:08.59 | Penix | icesword: then change it to ftp.whateveryouwant.debian.org |
| 05:09.01 | martian67 | rox how? |
| 05:09.12 | rox | martian67: adjust permissions elsewhere |
| 05:09.25 | Penix | oiahsdf: ah, so screen's involved. I've come across the same thing, but I've never bothered to fix it |
| 05:09.50 | rox | martian67: rewrite it in c and compile it - then you can set the suid bit |
| 05:10.02 | martian67 | wow |
| 05:10.03 | martian67 | -_- |
| 05:10.23 | ryty | here's a thought "sudo <script.sh>" |
| 05:10.34 | oiahsdf | Penix: it worked fine for me before my hd burned up, which is frustrating |
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| 05:11.07 | Tramp | martian67: write a c-wrapper around the script. Google for something like "suid c wrapper" or similar |
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| 05:12.43 | rox | martian67: i was joking, what ryty said is probably the best, cleanest and easiest solution |
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| 05:12.48 | susanne-- | i reversed the positions of /dev/sdc and /dev/sdj. sdc has just died with the same error. is this a HUB problem, or a SLOT problem? i've got other drives on this hub that don't have this error. |
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| 05:15.34 | susanne-- | i can replace the usb hub, but i've got way too many drives to be plugging them all into the main unit. |
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| 05:16.35 | c`alin | Anyone know what encryption type mkpasswd uses? |
| 05:17.07 | dondelelcaro | c`alin: depends on what hash method you tell it to use. |
| 05:17.39 | dondelelcaro | c`alin: it's manpage tells you how to find that out. |
| 05:18.00 | Malf | c`alin: mkpasswd -H help |
| 05:18.07 | c`alin | Ok, thanks :) |
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| 05:19.35 | susanne-- | Tramp, did you wind up replacing the usb hub? i just got the same behavior on a different drive, which leads me to the hub as you suggested. but i can't do without a hub, i have too many drives. |
| 05:20.00 | internat85 | not having much experience with the find command, si there a way of searching for files created between a specific time?> |
| 05:21.22 | radius | susanne--, for my own reference what type of usb hub are you using? |
| 05:21.45 | Tramp | susanne--: yeah, I see the problem. I just have a disk and 1 8-port hub (and 3 slots on the system itself) - so I don't have this problem. I now only use the Hub for low-speed devices. and have the 3 on-board slots occupied. Next time I buy an external drive, I will go for Firewire 8/ |
| 05:22.22 | radius | susanne--, i'm using a 7 port usb hub with 3 external drives - so curious to know if the issue can be duplicated |
| 05:22.40 | susanne-- | a belkin. i have 8 drives and four slots on the mac. |
| 05:22.55 | Malf | internat85: Look in the man pages for flags like -atime and -ctime. Some of the information in that area seems helpful. |
| 05:22.59 | Tramp | internat85: no. Creation time of a file is simply not stored. |
| 05:23.01 | radius | are the usb slots on your mac the same speed? ie. 1.0 or 2.0? |
| 05:23.22 | Malf | internat85: or -mtime for modified times |
| 05:23.40 | susanne-- | radius, should be. i've never seen anything that suggests they aren't. it's a mac mini, so they're 2.0. |
| 05:23.48 | Tramp | internat85: if you want access/modify/inode-change time, do as Malf suggested |
| 05:24.10 | radius | aye i sold my mac mini due to incompatibility issues but new mini's are better |
| 05:24.32 | susanne-- | this is second generation one, the first model that uses intel chips |
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| 05:24.46 | Malf | internat85: Yeah it's not really create times but it's the closest thing I saw within find |
| 05:25.06 | internat85 | bugga :/ |
| 05:25.12 | radius | susanne--, usb hubs are cheap enough - no way to get a d-link hub - it's what i use and it works 100% all the time |
| 05:25.12 | internat85 | thanks for that |
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| 05:28.23 | Nyle | !freevo |
| 05:28.23 | dpkg | methinks freevo is software to turn a linux box + tv tuner into a TiVo. freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better |
| 05:28.24 | ravenbird | somebody said freevo was software to turn a linux box + tv tuner into a TiVo. freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better |
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| 05:28.34 | spacix | Does anyone know if it's possible to set some sort of a timer that someone cannot login to his screen -r session until time's over |
| 05:28.40 | susanne-- | i may wind up with a d-link or two. the wiring is a mess tho and downing the machine is really going to be the only option to do it without a lot of misery and pain. |
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| 05:38.31 | moparisthebest | if I understand correctly |
| 05:38.34 | moparisthebest | 0,1 ** * *root /root/ddoschk1.sh |
| 05:38.48 | moparisthebest | that in /etc/crontab will cause that script to be executed every minute? |
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| 05:39.16 | moparisthebest | I want to make sure its doing what I want done :/ |
| 05:40.17 | Math^ | anyone know which file to edit, to fix this: http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7183/2timescompizoz0.png |
| 05:40.27 | Math^ | got two times compiz to choose |
| 05:40.42 | susanne-- | moparisthebest, it's * * * * * to execute every minute. |
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| 05:42.09 | moparisthebest | thanks susanne-- , I swear I am never going to figure that out... |
| 05:42.10 | oiahsdf | Penix: actually, it looks like Eterm and other terminals still have a problem with printing triple characters in place of quotes or dashes, such as in manual pages |
| 05:42.23 | oiahsdf | i still have no idea what's causing this |
| 05:42.23 | piju | got women here ? |
| 05:42.28 | piju | cook me this http://www.nul-unu.com/blogs/bleeding-edge/uploads/070208_1941.jpg |
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| 05:42.47 | susanne-- | piju, if you had a dick, this is where i'd tell you to suck it. |
| 05:43.17 | piju | susanne--; are u girl ? |
| 05:43.37 | moparisthebest | wouldn't it be more disturbing if the answer was no? |
| 05:45.32 | oiahsdf | however, Penix, xterm works fine. gnome-terminal and Eterm are the ones sucking |
| 05:45.57 | susanne-- | oiahsdf, i bet mej can solve anything with eterm. you can find him in #e and his nick is usually KainX. |
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| 05:55.08 | oiahsdf | thanks susanne-- but it looks like it's this problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=128509&highlight=&sid=d060fa875ac9a6c3a7b5bcb56ed24cc1 |
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| 06:01.15 | reZo | hey, i'm having huge hal problems, it errors out whenever i use dpkg, or apt-*, "invoke-rc.d initscript dbus-1, action "start" failed. how can i resolve this? |
| 06:01.38 | reZo | i've also done a dist-upgrade / upgrade to lenny/sid from etch |
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| 06:04.47 | Penix | major dejavu... |
| 06:05.04 | reZo | hmm? |
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| 06:08.48 | Penix | reZo: what's "hal problems" supposed to mean? you're trying to install the hal package and the installation fails because dbus couldn't be started for some reason? |
| 06:09.22 | fiyawerx | enouf, thanks again earlier, ended up redoing with a net-install of testing, everythings working great now |
| 06:09.52 | oiahsdf | wmaker also seems to be devolving into bug-land |
| 06:10.12 | fiyawerx | now to get a nice theme set up |
| 06:11.09 | omry | hmm, just did apt-get install git (on lenny) and git binary was not installed. what's up with it? |
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| 06:11.25 | reZo | Penix: the error is "invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. |
| 06:11.36 | Penix | omry: called something else maybe? dpkg -L git |
| 06:11.38 | reZo | is that to do with dbus not starting? |
| 06:11.48 | oiahsdf | keyboard shortcuts no longer exist and the menu doesn't seem to be tracking debian's menus on wmaker |
| 06:11.55 | Penix | reZo: you said dbus-1 last time instead of hal |
| 06:12.14 | reZo | oh oops, sorry |
| 06:12.17 | reZo | it's hal, not dbus |
| 06:12.28 | Kevin` | omry there's more then one thing called git, and the one you want i later unfortunately |
| 06:12.33 | Kevin` | omry apt-get install git-core |
| 06:12.43 | reZo | Penix: must have had dbus-1 in the back of my mind |
| 06:12.47 | omry | ahh, thanks. |
| 06:14.48 | reZo | i think my problem could be to do with the pcsx emulator? |
| 06:15.10 | reZo | however, when i try to apt-get remove that, it errors out with that hal error above :S |
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| 06:15.34 | reZo | i'll pastebin the full error in a moment |
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| 06:16.51 | Hyphenex | I wanted to install asterisk, I went apt-get install asterisk, but it gave me an older version |
| 06:17.07 | Penix | Hyphenex: it gave you the version that your debian branch contains |
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| 06:17.30 | Hyphenex | Penix: How do I change to a debian branch that doesn't contain such old versions of things? |
| 06:17.36 | Penix | Hyphenex: you don't |
| 06:17.43 | salierix | I'm running debain in vmware and I want to reduce the used diskspace as much as I can. What are some big ticket items that I can remove? |
| 06:17.45 | Penix | Hyphenex: if you want a newer version of 'asterik', look for a backport |
| 06:17.48 | Hyphenex | debain sucks :P |
| 06:17.51 | Penix | !tell Hyphenex about backports |
| 06:17.57 | Penix | Hyphenex: don't use it then |
| 06:18.57 | o2T7 | Isn't it weird that cron executed both tasks just a while ago?? "16 7 30 Feb Mon task1.sh" and "16 7 25 Feb Mon task2.sh" |
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| 06:19.38 | o2T7 | Doesn't cron check the "Day of Month" value? |
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| 06:20.18 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 06:20.24 | lkthomas | mkinitrd not found on my system |
| 06:20.27 | lkthomas | what should I install ? |
| 06:20.32 | o2T7 | Hyphenex: What do you recommend? |
| 06:20.45 | greenmang0 | how to patch kernel to avoid vmsplice exploit |
| 06:21.04 | o2T7 | initrd-tools ? |
| 06:21.05 | Penix | o2T7: being an idiot obviously |
| 06:21.07 | Hyphenex | o2T7: I have no idea, I just wanted things to be easy :P |
| 06:21.22 | guk | How do I set the priority of an IP ... I manually added a second ipv6 wan address too my debian machine but now that new IP address takes over ... how I set it up so it's only used when requested ? |
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| 06:21.50 | Penix | I want a package version that was released *after* my debian version was released. why can't you people time travel? debian sucks! lolz kthx |
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| 06:22.02 | o2T7 | Hyphenex: The "debian sucks" is simply wrong ;) |
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| 06:23.51 | godling | aptitude has a crappy search function :/ |
| 06:24.05 | Penix | godling: use apt-cache search if you don't like it |
| 06:24.08 | fiyawerx | not too bad if you don't actually go into it |
| 06:24.31 | fiyawerx | i've been able to find most of what i need with just aptitude search foo |grep bar |
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| 06:25.10 | godling | sure, I was just trying to use aptitude so it would prompt me to install the recommended packages for something. |
| 06:25.45 | Hyphenex | Garrgh, the new asterisk not not building from source, is there any easy way to install asterisk 1.4? |
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| 06:26.32 | o2T7 | Hyphenex: apt ? |
| 06:27.03 | greenmang0 | !vmsplice exploit fix |
| 06:27.28 | Penix | Hyphenex: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:27.54 | o2T7 | In testing it is (1:1.4.17~dfsg-2+b1 Debian:testing) |
| 06:28.22 | Hyphenex | oahh great, 1.4. How do I get that? |
| 06:28.29 | Penix | Hyphenex: msg the bot and do what it tells you |
| 06:28.32 | Penix | like I said |
| 06:28.42 | Hyphenex | I hate bots |
| 06:28.43 | o2T7 | Shouldn't cron check "Day of Month"? |
| 06:28.56 | Penix | Hyphenex: then go figure everything out yourself, moron |
| 06:29.01 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 06:29.14 | Hyphenex | Penix: can you make the bot say that thing again? :P |
| 06:29.15 | reZo | think i fixed my hal problem |
| 06:29.31 | o2T7 | !moron |
| 06:29.32 | dpkg | moron is probably someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
| 06:29.32 | ravenbird | is like, a person of subnormal intelligence, such as GWB |
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| 06:30.41 | Hyphenex | !tell Hyphenex about backports |
| 06:30.50 | Penix | Hyphenex: /msg the bot |
| 06:30.55 | o2T7 | Could it be a cron error?? |
| 06:35.44 | o2T7 | My cron has executed a while ago a task programmed for a future ("Day of Month" value). Do you think it is a cron error, os simply i am misunderstanding how it works? |
| 06:35.53 | o2T7 | or* |
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| 06:40.16 | simonrvn | man 5 crontab; bottom of the thing best way is to look atit |
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| 06:41.29 | David_ | Can debain run on good on my dinosaur of a computer? 500 mhz with 192 mbs of ram? |
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| 06:41.44 | nevyn | David_: yeah |
| 06:41.54 | David_ | Will Gnome run? |
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| 06:42.03 | David_ | or will i have to use fluxbox? |
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| 06:42.17 | nixbox | hi all |
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| 06:42.51 | nevyn | you can run gnome it may suck if you start doing lots of stuff tho |
| 06:42.57 | nixbox | i am trying to run an application which returns an error saying GLIBC_2.4 not found, required by the application, I am using etch |
| 06:43.05 | o2T7 | simonrvn: so this line "16 7 30 Feb Mon task1.sh" shouldn't have run today |
| 06:43.33 | nixbox | it appears that I only have Glibc 2.3.6, how can I install glibc 2.4? |
| 06:43.44 | Dewi | does dpkg track dependancies at all? |
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| 06:43.55 | Dewi | I installed a package manually today with 'dpkg -i' |
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| 06:44.08 | Dewi | and it didn't even warn me about a bunch of unmet dependancies |
| 06:44.47 | Dewi | is that because the package sucks, or is tracking libs etc left up to the apt layer? |
| 06:44.54 | Guerin | Dewi: yes. |
| 06:45.15 | nevyn | Dewi: tracking libs is apt's problem |
| 06:45.42 | Guerin | run aptitude -f install; to see what broke |
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| 06:46.19 | Dewi | well, I got the basic libs it needed through trial and error... |
| 06:46.35 | Dewi | note error, aptitude install some_lib, repeat... |
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| 06:47.13 | nixbox | can anyone tell me how do i install glibc 2.4 ? |
| 06:47.18 | bushblows | I have been trying for awhile, I installed the nvidia driver on debian etch with a nvidia Geforce 8600 GT dual DVI out, and on my second screen my resoltion is not correct, nvidia-settings shows that monitor as 640x480 when it should be 1680x1050, and thoughts? |
| 06:47.22 | bushblows | here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/d39ab6baa |
| 06:47.33 | Dewi | Guerin: it seems happy |
| 06:49.03 | Dewi | Guerin: ... even after I remove a known dependancy |
| 06:49.17 | liable | dpkg should refuse if depends arent met |
| 06:49.27 | liable | unless you use --force-depends |
| 06:49.30 | Dewi | liable: so this is just a bad package |
| 06:49.52 | Dewi | liable: I got it in a hurry from sourceforge because I didn't have time to backport it |
| 06:50.04 | liable | Dewi: how did you work out it had missing depends? |
| 06:50.10 | Dewi | liable: crash on run |
| 06:50.24 | liable | ya, thats bad packaging |
| 06:50.44 | Dewi | I guess this is what happens when they try to make it distro-neutral? |
| 06:51.13 | Dewi | (targetting various ubuntu and debian releases at once...) |
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| 06:51.18 | liable | dunno, sounds like a fuckup to me |
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| 06:56.49 | reZo | is there any way to reset all debian fonts back to there defaults? |
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| 06:56.58 | reZo | cause, in fluxbox, my fonts are about 100 times the size they should be :S |
| 06:57.32 | bushblows | could I just add another screen section to that, and tie it together in the serverlayout section? |
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| 07:01.43 | o2T7 | reZo: did you try with the option in ~/.fluxbox/startup ? |
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| 07:03.45 | o2T7 | bushblows: nothing in your logs? |
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| 07:08.44 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:09.47 | techbie | hello all |
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| 07:12.52 | salierix | How do I install a more recent version of fluxbox with apt-get? |
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| 07:13.14 | streuner | salierix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 07:14.21 | up_the_irons | hi guys, where can i set the "search domain1.com domain2.com ..." part of /etc/resolv.conf *permanently* ? (I'm running ubuntu 7.10, but I figure it'd be similar for debian; the guys in #ubuntu don't seem to know) |
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| 07:14.21 | up_the_irons | NetworkManager (i believe) always overwrites it |
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| 07:14.37 | salierix | streuner: Why? |
| 07:14.41 | Dewi | liable: okay, built my own .deb, now it won't let me uninstall necessary deps. Much better. |
| 07:14.57 | liable | Dewi: good |
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| 07:15.17 | liable | Dewi: you might want to tell the site you got the other from how to build one ;) |
| 07:15.44 | streuner | salierix: if you dont answer our questions, we cannot help then |
| 07:16.33 | salierix | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
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| 07:16.44 | streuner | !backports |
| 07:16.44 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 07:16.49 | ravenbird | a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port , http://backports.org/ , http://www.apt-get.org/ , ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 07:16.54 | bushblows | o2T7: ya, this is one of them '(WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device DFP-1 |
| 07:16.59 | Penix | bleh |
| 07:17.00 | Dewi | liable: heh. Well, it uses Qt and libpng... maybe the packaging differs between the various .deb distros and releases too much for them to refer to dependancies in a neutral way? |
| 07:17.08 | streuner | salierix: read what the bots told you (backports) |
| 07:17.09 | Penix | hmm. didn't come out right |
| 07:17.14 | bushblows | that is with a new modified xorg.conf from what I pasted. |
| 07:17.32 | streuner | simonrvn: ping |
| 07:17.47 | liable | hah |
| 07:18.05 | susanne-- | i'm trying to connect to a vnc server on a box behind a firewall. there's a hole in the firewall, but i've put it on the wrong port. i have ssh access to the box. is there a way to port-forward from 5900 to 5901 without restarting the vnc server? |
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| 07:19.01 | liable | Dewi: dunno, quite often a package can just have depends on a version or greater than version of a package |
| 07:19.09 | Dewi | susanne--: with ssh forwarding the open port is on your local machine |
| 07:19.12 | Kevin` | susanne-- you could use -L to forward a local port to it |
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| 07:19.27 | simonrvn | woot |
| 07:19.30 | Dewi | susanne--: so you don't need any ports open on the firewall (other than the ones that allow you to ssh) |
| 07:19.42 | streuner | simonrvn: dpkg is back... |
| 07:20.00 | simonrvn | !wb |
| 07:20.00 | dpkg | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 07:20.01 | susanne-- | dewi: this is set up in an ssh client (eg putty)? |
| 07:20.04 | Kevin` | susanne-- or iptables match connections to port 5900 and REDIRECT to 5901 |
| 07:20.10 | Dewi | susanne--: yup |
| 07:20.17 | streuner | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 07:20.51 | susanne-- | dewi ty i'll dick with that a bit. kevin, i'm no good with iptables and i suspect it would require a system reboot to fix. in this application, it's better for me to just go home and get on a web browser and manipulate the router directly through its web interface (which links and lynx can't handle). |
| 07:20.52 | Dewi | susanne--: go to the tunnels pane, type any local port you want that's free, then for destination use: localhost:5900, click add, then connect |
| 07:21.11 | Dewi | susanne--: or 5901... whichever the server is actually on on the remote end |
| 07:21.21 | Kevin` | susanne-- iptables doesn't need rebooting. |
| 07:21.37 | Kevin` | susanne-- only craprouters need to reboot for changes :) |
| 07:21.48 | susanne-- | Kevin` but the support isn't in my (custom, would likely require rebooting, yes i suck) kernel |
| 07:21.58 | Kevin` | ah |
| 07:22.06 | o2T7 | bushblows: Try it with 'Option "IgnoreEDID" "true"' in your nvidia card's section |
| 07:22.33 | Kevin` | susanne-- you can also use ssh to forward a port to the router's web interface |
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| 07:22.56 | susanne-- | Kevin` if i can reach the existing vnc server i can open konq :-) |
| 07:23.00 | Kevin` | susanne-- then do http://localhost in whatever on windows ( :( ) to configure it |
| 07:23.32 | susanne-- | port forward ftw thank you. |
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| 07:23.44 | Kevin` | what model is your router? |
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| 07:23.55 | susanne-- | Kevin` linksys wrt54gs i believe |
| 07:24.14 | susanne-- | the last time i tried to install dd-wrt on one i bricked it, so i haven't gotten around to it on this one. |
| 07:24.26 | Kevin` | susanne-- openwrt > dd-wrt |
| 07:24.44 | Kevin` | nice clean design, and a good web interface in latest versions |
| 07:25.02 | Kevin` | susanne-- do you still have the old one? |
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| 07:25.27 | Kevin` | (i'll take if off your hands for free and use it) |
| 07:25.34 | susanne-- | Kevin` really the plan is to install dd-wrt on it, and use openvpn on that one, and openvpn on my office one, to tunnel them together into one happy network so i can get that stupid resume i left at the house and suck it over to the office without a lot of hassle. no, i returned it because it was new. :-) |
| 07:25.47 | Kevin` | aww |
| 07:25.50 | enouf | gah .. pink! |
| 07:26.21 | susanne-- | best buy will get over it. ;-) |
| 07:26.36 | Kevin` | no, I mean aww because I wanted it to use :) |
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| 07:27.02 | Kevin` | fixing those kind of things is trivial with the right hardware |
| 07:27.05 | susanne-- | oh lol i likely trashed it by trying to short pins on the chips (some of the support threads indicated that might be a solution) |
| 07:27.09 | simonrvn | @test |
| 07:27.11 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
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| 07:27.41 | Kevin` | susanne-- yeah, that's why the openwrt wiki no longer has documentation on the pin shorting method. people do stupid things to try to get it working :) |
| 07:27.58 | Kevin` | (it CAN work) |
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| 07:28.43 | susanne-- | Kevin` i knew i could return it so it didn't matter. the monkeys would have plugged it in, said, yeah it's dead, and given me a new one if they'd been curious. i know it was recoverable, but there was also the question of the value of my time and the value of having a router in place that functioned over the geek factor of recovering the brick. i chose the weasel way out i know :-) |
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| 07:29.18 | Kevin` | susanne-- well, messing with software can't really brick it easily. shorting stuff CAN damange the hardware |
| 07:29.56 | susanne-- | i think my mistake was that i didn't leave it on long enough after the first flash. |
| 07:30.25 | jetscreamer | wuss |
| 07:30.32 | Kevin` | is that one of those models with only 8mb ram? if so I'm not sure I would want it anyway :) |
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| 07:34.28 | susanne-- | yeah it's pretty crappy, but they're all pretty crappy. if you want a real router at this point, you pretty much have to cram two nics into a 486 or pentium 1 |
| 07:34.55 | susanne-- | unless you want to, you know, buy a real router |
| 07:35.20 | Kevin` | susanne-- there's still plenty of devices on the openwrt tableofhardware that take less power then a 486 :) |
| 07:35.42 | Kevin` | susanne-- or a wrt54gl, but there's still better |
| 07:35.55 | susanne-- | i couldn't find a gl in my local stores or i'd have gotten one |
| 07:36.15 | Kevin` | susanne-- "buy a real router" would mean paying for smartnet support. I prefer a half-real router with good software :D |
| 07:36.31 | up_the_irons | so no one knows how to make certain things in /etc/resolv.conf permanent? (always gets overwritten by NetworkManager I believe) |
| 07:36.50 | Kevin` | (smartnet is cisco if you don't know) |
| 07:37.12 | susanne-- | i've been sorta curious to figure out if i could tunnel my two networks through the unmodified router at the house, with a linux box as an endpoint rather than the linksys. i don't think that would be possible tho, the packet routing wouldn't work. |
| 07:37.40 | Kevin` | susanne-- why not? |
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| 07:38.24 | susanne-- | windows boxen generally only have a default route. unless i set up a secondary route in the linksys? is that possible? eg, pointing traffic to 192.168.1.0/24 back to the linux box? |
| 07:38.37 | susanne-- | the home network is 10.100.1.0/24 |
| 07:38.57 | Kevin` | susanne-- you can give out routes via dhcp, but why not use the linux box as the default route? |
| 07:40.08 | Kevin` | (breaking the "stock router" thing, but who needs that if you already have bigger things running next to it) |
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| 07:42.50 | susanne-- | set it up how? dsl modem on one hub port, and then pppoe on the linux box, driving it at ppp0, and eth0 with an internal address or something, and have it be the router? i could, but i really don't want it doing all that. single point of failure. |
| 07:43.21 | Kevin` | susanne-- put two network cards in it |
| 07:43.28 | susanne-- | it's a mac mini. can't. |
| 07:44.44 | Kevin` | also, you already have a single point of failure (dsl modem AND linksys router, single ethernet cables, ..) |
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| 07:45.20 | susanne-- | no, i mean, if the mac mini dies, i want to be able to still connect to the net independent of, say, the failure of my file server. |
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| 07:46.15 | Kevin` | susanne-- you could set it up cleanly by using vlans on the linksys router to split lan/wan traffic to the mini, but you'd need openwrt or ddwrt for that, and at that point it would be pointless to do :) |
| 07:47.23 | susanne-- | for tonight, the ssh tunnel in putty is sufficient to my need :-) my MOST pressing issue is that i need a new usb hub apparently, based on previous discussions. |
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| 07:50.23 | susanne-- | i wonder if there's a place where i can get a big one at this hour. prob not. |
| 07:50.47 | Kevin` | big one? |
| 07:51.10 | susanne-- | usb hub. i have 8 usb drives plus a couple other peripherals hanging on this mac. |
| 07:51.16 | Kevin` | ah |
| 07:51.45 | susanne-- | it's crap running os/x ... but it does okay with debian ;-) |
| 07:51.58 | Kevin` | you COULD use usb ethernet, btw |
| 07:52.00 | tnks | the MS culture at work is in the habit of using NetMeeting. Is VNC the best alternative to include Debian? |
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| 07:52.36 | Kevin` | I think some of the IM clients have netmeeting-like functionality |
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| 07:53.33 | susanne-- | i've been thinking about retiring my dell server but i dunno what to do with it. it's a behemoth. |
| 07:53.51 | tnks | Actually, I don't really need them to have access to my desktop. Something along the lines of live streaming video of my desktop would be fine. |
| 07:53.55 | Kevin` | is it modern enough to be useful? |
| 07:54.01 | Kevin` | (is it faster then your router) |
| 07:54.43 | Kevin` | for a video of your desktop vnc is an easy, clean method. i'd just use it |
| 07:55.32 | Kevin` | also consider using a virtual desktop instead of sharing your main desktop. so you keep your stuff and your demomstration seperate |
| 07:55.42 | susanne-- | yeah but it's huge. it's a two-proc penitum 3 with like 64 megs of ram, and a raid controller that drives a 4-drive raid5 array that totals about 100g. |
| 07:56.01 | susanne-- | these are big SCA drives, huge things. the machine's name is "monster" for a reason. |
| 07:56.09 | Kevin` | hehe |
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| 07:56.21 | susanne-- | it's got one pci slot in it |
| 07:56.31 | susanne-- | so i could pop a second nic in it, assuming i could get the first one to work. |
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| 07:56.48 | susanne-- | actually i do have a second nic in it, because the first isn't working. |
| 07:57.01 | Kiirani | Hello, I'm waiting for debootstrap to finish grabbing stuff and I need something to do, figured I'd come in here. :) |
| 07:57.08 | Kevin` | hi |
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| 07:57.59 | Kevin` | susanne-- well, if it's on anyway I suppose it's a reasonable use. what a pig though, wants to be retired :) |
| 07:58.31 | susanne-- | yeah it does but i hate to waste boxes. i could put a usb2 nic in it and use IT as my file server instead of the mac mini, and i could use the mini as a desktop machine. |
| 07:58.42 | susanne-- | i prob should do that. |
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| 07:58.44 | Dewi | does a vmware guest need to have two processors to take advantage of both processors on my host machine? |
| 07:58.51 | susanne-- | !vmware |
| 07:58.52 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 07:59.13 | Kevin` | Dewi directly, yes. indirectly by the host having more resources no |
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| 07:59.29 | Kevin` | to run more then one process at a time it needs the two cpus |
| 07:59.33 | Dewi | Kevin`: thanks |
| 07:59.43 | metbsd | why do we need conf and conf.d to split conf file and confuse administrator? waht's the motivation behind this? |
| 07:59.47 | Kevin` | I would keep it at one personally |
| 07:59.55 | Kevin` | unless your host isn't doing much |
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| 08:00.12 | susanne-- | i run vmware on the mac. it runs windows 2000 so i can run dc++ to do file sharing. ;-) |
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| 08:00.30 | Test786 | hi |
| 08:00.31 | Test786 | ; |
| 08:00.31 | Test786 | '; |
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| 08:00.35 | Kevin` | running several vms with 2 cpus each or using the host for a lot, it would be better to go with 1 |
| 08:00.37 | garo | I can see the crontab from the user 'foobar' with "crontab -u foobar -l" but i can't seem to find which file hosts this crontab, does anyone know where it's stored ? |
| 08:00.57 | susanne-- | garo it's determined by the user. |
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| 08:01.05 | Kevin` | susanne-- there's probably a linux dc++ client |
| 08:01.38 | Kevin` | *linux direct connect client |
| 08:01.49 | susanne-- | there are several but they all have suckage issues in one way or another, the most obvious being that most totally fail (or refuse) to limit upload bandwidth. on a dsl connection this is unacceptable -- i need SOME bandwidth for my own use. |
| 08:01.52 | Kevin` | obviously wouldn't be called the same name as a windows-only client |
| 08:01.56 | susanne-- | you know, so my http requests to the porn site gets through. |
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| 08:02.06 | Kevin` | lol |
| 08:02.07 | garo | And is there a way for root to find which file the user uses ? |
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| 08:02.23 | susanne-- | you could grep his home directory |
| 08:03.04 | Kevin` | there MUST be a top-down way of doing it, otherwise how does cron itself know what to run. but I don't know how cron works :( |
| 08:03.30 | garo | but then i need a term to grep, i tried 'locate -i cron | grep the-username' which couldn't find anything |
| 08:03.41 | susanne-- | the user generates a file, eg mycron, and then runs, eg crontab mycron to install it |
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| 08:03.54 | susanne-- | the customary name is ~/crontab but there's no technical reason this needs to be so. |
| 08:04.22 | susanne-- | thus, grep is likely the quickest option |
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| 08:05.16 | Kevin` | garo /var/spool/cron/crontabs/username |
| 08:05.18 | susanne-- | that strikes me as a cheap, effective solution, even if it isn't the RIGHT solution :-) |
| 08:05.38 | Kevin` | garo for future reference: strace crontab -l |
| 08:05.41 | garo | ah, idd, thanks ! |
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| 08:05.57 | susanne-- | see but if you change that, the next time the user updates his crontab, it'll overwrite the changes in /var/spool |
| 08:06.35 | garo | strange that locate couldn't find that file... is there something 'special' about /var/spool ? |
| 08:06.48 | susanne-- | garo: you just didn't think to look there. |
| 08:07.35 | Kevin` | garo I think the files are only readable/editable by root, could be wrong as i've never looked in detail how cron works. 'crontab' is an suid-root program though |
| 08:07.52 | susanne-- | crontab writes to /var/spool |
| 08:08.02 | Kevin` | it also reads from it |
| 08:08.08 | susanne-- | it essentially copies the user's hand-generated file into /var/spool |
| 08:08.47 | susanne-- | man these mp3s i'm listening to suck |
| 08:09.19 | garo | hm idd, /etc/updatedb.conf tells me that /var/spool is excluded from it's database. Is /var/spool ramfs ? |
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| 08:09.51 | susanne-- | garo, shit i hope not. that's a fantastic way to lose your mail spool. |
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| 08:10.54 | Hotwire | Hi, if a debian system halted at "Setting the system clock." what would you expect the problem to be? |
| 08:10.58 | lkthomas | hmm, something I don't understand, I use make-kpkg --initrd, but when I install that image, it shows "Please install initrd image manually" |
| 08:11.00 | lkthomas | why is it ? |
| 08:11.13 | garo | Hotwire: i'm guessing network connection |
| 08:11.24 | garo | it's probably trying to set it's clock with ntp |
| 08:11.35 | streuner | Hotwire: do you use ntp stuff which connect to i-net? |
| 08:12.11 | streuner | Hotwire: dpkg -l | grep ntp |
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| 08:12.45 | streuner | !test |
| 08:12.45 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 08:12.48 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: what does your /etc/kernel-img.conf say? |
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| 08:13.33 | Hotwire | streuner: ah, it's a xen vps, so it could well be a network issue. I've heard there has been a few bugs in this area |
| 08:13.35 | garo | try booting with a live cd, mount your root partition and do "chroot /wherever/you/mounted/your/root/partition" |
| 08:13.36 | Hotwire | nice one guys |
| 08:15.23 | lkthomas | do_initrd = yes |
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| 08:20.34 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: surely it has more than that in it? |
| 08:21.17 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: you should also look at the postinst for the package; specifically look at the $do_initrd line. |
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| 08:25.44 | lkthomas | for all |
| 08:25.45 | lkthomas | do_symlinks = yes |
| 08:25.45 | lkthomas | relative_links = yes |
| 08:25.45 | lkthomas | do_bootloader = no |
| 08:25.45 | lkthomas | do_bootfloppy = no |
| 08:25.45 | lkthomas | do_initrd = yes |
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| 08:25.55 | lkthomas | postrm_hook = update-grub |
| 08:25.59 | lkthomas | got it ? |
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| 08:26.10 | streuner | yes, but why flooding us? |
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| 08:26.37 | streuner | you are long enough here to know about, aren't you? |
| 08:27.03 | susanne-- | !tell lkthomas about flood |
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| 08:29.36 | lkthomas | streuner: I do actually :) |
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| 08:29.52 | lkthomas | don: what do you think ? |
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| 08:34.16 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: and what does the postinst for the generated package say? |
| 08:34.34 | dondelelcaro | (the first hundred lines or so is what I need to see) |
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| 08:37.39 | manju | I am using lenny.i created a new user(System>>Administration>>users & Groups ) and gave all the permissions.it asked me to specify the home directory i gave /home/newusername |
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| 08:38.04 | manju | when i restart my system i was unable 2 start gdm |
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| 08:38.22 | manju | by somehow i am able 2 start gdm...but |
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| 08:39.02 | manju | if i type su and give the password ...it is saying user not authenticated |
| 08:39.53 | manju | if i try to open synaptic its saying user root doesnt exist |
| 08:40.01 | manju | please help me |
| 08:40.46 | Penix | manju: you selected 'Administer the system' in the privileges section?... |
| 08:41.22 | Penix | wait..nm |
| 08:42.45 | manju | yes |
| 08:43.06 | streuner | so you arent able to login as root? |
| 08:43.14 | streuner | at all |
| 08:43.16 | manju | yes...... |
| 08:43.28 | streuner | very evil |
| 08:43.37 | manju | i am not able to install any thing !!!!!:( |
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| 08:44.01 | streuner | just backup the data and reinstall Debian |
| 08:44.19 | manju | is there no other way??? |
| 08:44.36 | manju | i hav installed so many packages...................... |
| 08:44.45 | manju | which r need 4 my proj |
| 08:45.09 | Penix | manju: there most certainly is a way, but it doesn't involve any silly gnome apps |
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| 08:53.14 | msshams | how can i search into files with "find" command? |
| 08:53.24 | Penix | msshams: man find |
| 08:53.45 | manju29 | find -name <file name> |
| 08:54.38 | streuner | http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind?highlight=%28find%29 |
| 08:55.17 | streuner | msshams: search into files or just find a file on the HD? |
| 08:55.24 | theatro | into files? use grep |
| 08:55.28 | streuner | yes |
| 08:56.55 | msshams | streuner: i want find some files that themselves content are "test" |
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| 09:01.03 | ukh | msshams: "find . -type f | xargs grep test" |
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| 09:07.13 | vlt | msshams: `grep -r test ./` should work too. |
| 09:07.41 | lkthomas | dan: how could I check ? |
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| 09:09.19 | tralala | seen Braunmann |
| 09:09.30 | tralala | ops, sorry |
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| 09:28.07 | KemrinH | Hey, if anyone's bored, they should take a look at my blog. It's new, and the layouts one of the basic Blogger Template's. I'm looking for input about what anyone thinks of the layout, content, ect. You can find it at http://duchaine.blogspot.com if you care to take a look. You could leave comments there or use the call button to call my phone using Grand Central if you read this after I'm gone, but if you read this immediately, I'd much rather discus |
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| 09:29.57 | KemrinH | I'm looking for input on the layout because I'm considering upgrading it's look. I like how simple it is, but I don't like the fact that there are probobly a million other blogs with identical theme, so I want to change it up a bit without over complecating it. |
| 09:30.16 | bolt | KemrinH: how is this debian-related? |
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| 09:31.15 | KemrinH | I would say it's not at all, but since no one else had anything to say, I figured I'd use the high population to look for people willing to talk about what I wanted. (Since there doesn't seem to be a blog design room anywere) |
| 09:31.47 | harpal | Hey how can I know at what time I have shutdown my machine? |
| 09:32.01 | KemrinH | :) Hope I didn't make anyone mad by being off topic. |
| 09:32.10 | Kevin` | harpal 'last' has the simplest log of it |
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| 09:33.00 | harpal | Kevin`: Thanks |
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| 09:35.43 | Penix | KemrinH: it's called #web |
| 09:36.30 | metbsd | why do we need conf and conf.d to split conf file and confuse administrator? waht's the motivation behind this? |
| 09:36.53 | tralala | !confuse metbsd |
| 09:36.53 | dpkg | Yes, them was your mushroom yesterday, metbsd? pants of the people's republic of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 09:37.08 | KemrinH | ^_^ Thanks Penix. |
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| 09:38.42 | RudyValencia | Hi, how do I set up my server to provide time synchronization to my LAN? |
| 09:38.51 | Penix | RudyValencia: google for a howto on NTP |
| 09:39.01 | Penix | RudyValencia: a debian related one |
| 09:39.06 | Arpa | Hi have downloaded a folder for unrealirc , and I decomperesed that and I'm tryin to install that how can I do that with command like "make install" ? |
| 09:39.25 | Penix | Arpa: how can you make install with make install? |
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| 09:39.38 | Penix | Arpa: with make install of course |
| 09:39.40 | RudyValencia | I can't find it |
| 09:39.44 | Arpa | there is no any make install on debian |
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| 09:40.07 | Penix | Arpa: what are you talking about? apt-get install make |
| 09:40.12 | Penix | Arpa: have you even installed build-essential? |
| 09:40.27 | Arpa | no I didn't , |
| 09:40.34 | Penix | RudyValencia: that's funny. I've found more than 5 already. look harder |
| 09:40.46 | RudyValencia | I'm searching for 'debian ntp server howto' |
| 09:41.05 | Penix | then try something else |
| 09:41.26 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.07 | Penix | doesn't *have* to be a debian specific one either |
| 09:42.21 | RudyValencia | I want my server to provide time to the other clients on my LAN, while keeping itself in sync with the NTP.org pool |
| 09:42.41 | Penix | RudyValencia: that's why you want an NTP server |
| 09:42.44 | RudyValencia | right |
| 09:42.45 | lkthomas | guys, I try to recompile my kernel, but then x86-64 arch wouldn't boot |
| 09:42.53 | Penix | RudyValencia: apt-get install openntpd |
| 09:43.09 | tralala | RudyValencia, install an ntp server and an ntp client, read the docs, set them up and if you experience any problems, ask here |
| 09:43.23 | Penix | RudyValencia: it *should* come with fantastic documentation, being an openbsd project and being a debian package |
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| 09:44.08 | tralala | lkthomas, what a better lesson of dont-compile-kernels? |
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| 09:44.38 | Penix | lkthomas: try giving us a tiny bit of useful info |
| 09:44.45 | lkthomas | our job is to fix the problem, not to escape problem |
| 09:45.22 | tralala | that's right, our difference of opinion is what the real problem is |
| 09:45.25 | lkthomas | Penix, when I cat /proc/cpuinfo, I can't find EM64T, does it means it don't support it ? |
| 09:46.03 | Penix | lkthomas: no idea. did you even build a kernel for x86_64 with all the appropriate options enabled? |
| 09:46.14 | lkthomas | https://xen.privatepaste.com/8ezGHTw0Ai |
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| 09:46.22 | lkthomas | top one wouldn't boot |
| 09:46.24 | lkthomas | bottom one does |
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| 09:46.57 | Penix | read that output again |
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| 09:47.10 | lkthomas | huh |
| 09:47.20 | Penix | lkthomas: read what 'file' thinks the top one is |
| 09:47.57 | lkthomas | I still don't get it |
| 09:48.07 | lkthomas | what do you have in your mind |
| 09:48.11 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 09:48.24 | Penix | one of them is reported as a proper, bootable Linux kernel |
| 09:48.36 | Penix | the other one is supposedly a normal binary |
| 09:49.06 | Penix | probably the first thing that'd make me think twice |
| 09:49.40 | lkthomas | how does it appear like that |
| 09:49.49 | lkthomas | I think I did follow all guide line |
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| 09:50.17 | Penix | lkthomas: why are you building your own kernel? what's wrong with the stock 2.6.18? why do you need 2.6.18.8? |
| 09:50.40 | lkthomas | I need xen 3.2 |
| 09:51.48 | Penix | good luck with that if you can't even figure out a simple kernel |
| 09:52.00 | lkthomas | I don't think it is simile enought |
| 09:52.06 | Penix | lkthomas: you didn't use make-kpkg to build your kernel, did you? |
| 09:52.09 | lkthomas | even you don't have any idea what's going on |
| 09:52.15 | lkthomas | Penix: I use both |
| 09:52.28 | lkthomas | both fail to boot |
| 09:52.33 | lkthomas | well ? |
| 09:52.34 | Penix | I don't have any idea what's going on because *I* didn't build your kernel |
| 09:52.41 | Penix | it's up to you to figure out what *you* screwed up |
| 09:53.02 | Penix | if it was a normal debian kernel, someone might be able to help |
| 09:53.34 | lkthomas | 64bit is cracking |
| 09:53.48 | lkthomas | couple days ago I was dealing with freebsd 64bit version, having other problem |
| 09:54.44 | wols | lkthomas: why don't you just install the missing binary? |
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| 09:55.09 | tralala | Penix, it can't be *that* difficult to address your sentences |
| 09:56.02 | RudyValencia | I can't get my Windows box to sync up,. |
| 09:56.02 | wols | as for cpifno: what cpu model number? |
| 09:56.19 | lkthomas | what the hell |
| 09:56.23 | wols | RudyValencia: more info needed. so far it doesn't sound like a debian problem |
| 09:56.24 | lkthomas | I already told you EM64T |
| 09:56.35 | Penix | tralala: yeah, must've been confusing for all those other people talking at the time |
| 09:56.38 | wols | 10:45 < lkthomas> Penix, when I cat /proc/cpuinfo, I can't find EM64T, does it means it don't support i |
| 09:56.39 | RudyValencia | I have installed openntpd and configured it on my server |
| 09:56.52 | RudyValencia | and I tell Windows to use my server as a time server. |
| 09:56.58 | lkthomas | wols: lm flag tells me that is em64t |
| 09:57.24 | tralala | Penix, or bypassing ignore filters... |
| 09:57.56 | RudyValencia | Windows won't sync up with it and reports that "An error occured while synchronizing with (servername). The time sample was rejected because: The peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum." |
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| 09:58.21 | RudyValencia | What does that mean? |
| 09:58.37 | tralala | RudyValencia, does linux sync from your server? |
| 09:58.56 | RudyValencia | What do you mean? |
| 09:59.00 | wols | RudyValencia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol |
| 09:59.13 | wols | it explains it |
| 10:00.00 | RudyValencia | My server should supposedly be synchronizing with pool.ntp.org |
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| 10:02.21 | vlt | Hello. In what deep trouble am I when I can't connect to Debian Etch via ssh pubkey anymore? I tested from two different clients (different keys) which still worked yesterday. Restarting sshd didn't help. |
| 10:02.48 | wols | !tell vlt about errors |
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| 10:07.03 | vlt | wols: Aah, thank you!!! I checked auth.log. It complains about bad ownership for /root (which was probably caused by a carelessly typed rsync command this morning). |
| 10:07.24 | jelly | woohoo, nickname completion in xchat 2.8.4 works almost sensibly! |
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| 10:10.18 | lkthomas | anyone compile kernel on a 64bit debian ? |
| 10:10.31 | wols | !tell lkthomas about ask |
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| 10:10.42 | vlt | wols: I restored /root permissions and now it works fine. Thanks again. |
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| 10:12.15 | adinc_ | hello, i would like to ask how i can add a variable into a file in the /etc/skel directory which will be replaced with the username, is this possible_ |
| 10:13.31 | RudyValencia | wols: I still don't understand why Windows doesn't want to synchronize with my server |
| 10:13.47 | RudyValencia | ("An error occured while synchronizing with (servername). The time sample was rejected because: The peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum.") |
| 10:14.19 | vlt | adinc_: hmmm, I don't know if there's a way to replace when adding the new user ... but maybe the program using this file later can handle $USER |
| 10:14.38 | adinc_ | vlt it is going to be procmail |
| 10:15.13 | tralala | RudyValencia, ask #windows |
| 10:15.22 | wols | RudyValencia: do you know what a stratum now is? |
| 10:15.33 | RudyValencia | It's a level of server in the NTP hierarchy |
| 10:15.45 | wols | so that answers it |
| 10:15.47 | RudyValencia | but what is Windows claiming here? |
| 10:16.02 | wols | that its level is as high as your debian one so it won't speak to it |
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| 10:16.20 | wols | in short: configure your windows properly and don't ask #debian how to do it |
| 10:16.35 | RudyValencia | It's not something I think can be changed in Windows. |
| 10:16.44 | wols | that's not our problem |
| 10:17.06 | cryndes | RudyValencia: that channel is called #debian not #windows ;) |
| 10:17.40 | cryndes | RudyValencia: try ##windows |
| 10:17.44 | RudyValencia | I am. |
| 10:18.08 | wols | persoanlly I'd try google. unlikely they know. not impossible but unlikely |
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| 10:18.43 | turneralex | How do I make a HOST in debian. |
| 10:18.45 | turneralex | ? |
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| 10:19.12 | vlt | turneralex: Can you explain a bit more detailed? |
| 10:19.43 | turneralex | a host so i can forward www.whatever.com to 123.123.123.123 without setting up a dns server |
| 10:19.44 | cryndes | turneralex: check /etc/hosts maybe thats what u are looking for |
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| 10:20.14 | cryndes | turneralex: yep, /etc/hosts |
| 10:20.26 | cryndes | that was a google thing ;) |
| 10:20.39 | cryndes | !google |
| 10:20.39 | dpkg | i guess google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 10:20.51 | wols | turneralex: for what DSN clients? |
| 10:21.00 | wols | *DNS. |
| 10:21.18 | wols | ie. which clients where need to use this www.example.com pointing to 123.123.123.123? |
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| 10:26.02 | gioele | hi |
| 10:26.05 | Kiirani | I'm installing debian (etch) from a gentoo system using this guide http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en . Around "D.3.4.4 Configure Apt", it says to use the commands 'deb' and 'deb-src'. They don't exist. Have they been removed? Are they important? Should I fetch them from somewhere. |
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| 10:26.42 | Kiirani | (dpkg, apt etc are all there, so I suppose the system will run fine) |
| 10:26.42 | gioele | hello |
| 10:26.49 | Kiirani | Hi |
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| 10:27.16 | wols | read it more carefully. deb and deb-src are config file entries as it clearly says |
| 10:27.21 | asn | oggenc can't encode flac files even after adding every flac library in apt. Which one do we need? |
| 10:27.38 | Guerin | asn: flac |
| 10:27.39 | gioele | is there a cmdline command to find which non installed package could give me a certain file once installed? |
| 10:27.53 | Guerin | gioele: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:27.53 | asn | Guerin: done that, and it still doesn't do it. |
| 10:27.58 | Guerin | asn: yes, it does. |
| 10:28.43 | wols | isn't oggenc only capable of decoding flac and /usr/bin/flac does the encoding? |
| 10:28.50 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:28.59 | Guerin | flac can use ogg as a transport layer |
| 10:29.15 | Kiirani | wols - Oh. Well, that would explain it. Sorry, I've had to do a lot of things differently, so I've been skimming. :$ |
| 10:29.16 | gioele | apt-file is what I'm looking for |
| 10:29.20 | wols | !tell asn about pdo |
| 10:29.26 | gioele | thank you Guerin |
| 10:29.31 | Guerin | gioele: welcome |
| 10:30.11 | Kiirani | wols - Ah, I see.. It says it created a very basic config file.. However you may want to add some additional sources. I took it to mean that those were tools for adding to the file, rather than entries in the file. Simple mistake. |
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| 10:30.33 | catenaccio | .............................................................................................. |
| 10:30.54 | Guerin | catenaccio: bugger off |
| 10:31.13 | wols | Guerin: you can't say bugger off to cats or spiders |
| 10:31.23 | Guerin | of course you can |
| 10:31.23 | catenaccio | .0.0.0.0.0.00000 |
| 10:31.30 | Kiirani | I'm not sure that they'd listen |
| 10:32.04 | catenaccio | .0.0.0.0.00 |
| 10:32.05 | wols | catenaccio: please stop it before you are forcefully removed |
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| 10:33.11 | tralala | wols, I think he's trying to say something, but his keyboard has only two working keys. Maybe it's binary encoded... |
| 10:33.51 | wols | 111111 and so one is a great encryption method |
| 10:34.17 | Knight_Lord | How can I make kmail call xpdf for opening pdfs instead of acroread? |
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| 10:34.43 | tralala | Knight_Lord, kmail uses kde's default reader |
| 10:34.53 | Knight_Lord | How can I change that? |
| 10:35.19 | Knight_Lord | (I'm not using KDE) |
| 10:35.19 | gioele | Knight_Lord: kcontrol -> preferred applications |
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| 10:35.50 | Knight_Lord | thanks :) |
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| 10:36.18 | _ke | is something like this ok when running a restrictive firewall? http://home.cs.tum.edu/~siegel/files/Total-fw_conntrack-day.png |
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| 10:37.21 | wols | how should WE know how much traffic you generate per day yourself? |
| 10:39.31 | tralala | wols, did you come unprepared again? How many times do I have to tell you - always have your crystall ball with you! |
| 10:39.34 | _ke | wols, just look at the percentage of connections in state waiting to connections established |
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| 10:52.50 | smellydog | hi, I'm trying to install Etch in a virtualbox, I selected use LVM, but how can I resize the LV during installation? |
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| 10:53.55 | Hal9000 | when running screen, i get this error: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/3' - please check. why? :( |
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| 10:55.56 | kfiggle | anybody out there - need help installing debian withut network form the r3 dvd |
| 10:56.38 | kfiggle | i cant get a kernel since apt cant reach the net...shouldnt there be one on the dvd ? |
| 10:57.18 | LimCore | hello |
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| 10:57.28 | XoX | hi |
| 10:57.29 | kfiggle | my hardware still is to new for 2.6.18 install kernel and so the net doesnt work...and i am trying to workaround this |
| 10:57.29 | LimCore | how to record sound on: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) via alsa? |
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| 10:58.48 | Ejdes|Lap | a (hopefully) simple Q: how do i se the ver. of a program trough apt ? |
| 10:58.51 | peope | Is it possible to do remote port forwarding via ssh to another port than localhost? |
| 10:58.59 | XoX | if i make a tmpfs of size 247M does it reserve 247M of memory from the main memory , so it can't be used for anything else or does it borrow from the main memory only as the tmpfs directory grows with more data? |
| 10:59.16 | Ejdes|Lap | found out.... |
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| 11:01.20 | haydar_hodja | hi all |
| 11:01.52 | haydar_hodja | how to start console in grub interface ? |
| 11:02.07 | Rapp | does anyone know how to get an intel ICH9 sound chip to run? i only get a "hda-intel: no codecs found!" message in syslog |
| 11:02.09 | Rapp | using alsa... |
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| 11:04.22 | nevyn | it's probably ac97 |
| 11:04.44 | jetscreamer | hit c haydar_hodja |
| 11:05.07 | jetscreamer | if you mean the menu when you boot |
| 11:05.07 | Rapp | nevyn, hm? |
| 11:05.15 | Kiirani | Tell me it isn't true, the system doesn't come with gcc? or make? |
| 11:05.38 | jetscreamer | try aptitude install build-essential Kiirani |
| 11:05.39 | nevyn | Kiirani: apt-get install build_essential |
| 11:05.45 | nevyn | bleh build-essential |
| 11:05.47 | Kiirani | Ooh. build-essential. That's much better. |
| 11:05.54 | Kiirani | I was going to just install individual packages as I got errors. |
| 11:05.56 | Kiirani | Cheers :) |
| 11:06.35 | jetscreamer | ~b-e |
| 11:06.45 | jetscreamer | ~die |
| 11:06.45 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 11:06.57 | LimCore | sound recording works on ubuntu but fails on debian, any one can help? |
| 11:07.21 | jetscreamer | dpkg: test |
| 11:07.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:07.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | lifeless must find that factoid quite anoying when hes here :D |
| 11:07.52 | jetscreamer | head must also |
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| 11:08.59 | jetscreamer | did you check the mixer |
| 11:09.12 | jetscreamer | it's usually on 0 by default |
| 11:09.23 | jetscreamer | esp if you didn't install alsa-utils |
| 11:09.29 | Kiirani | Oh well, I guess I'll leave this installing and go to bed. I've stayed up an extra half hour preparing to get my kernel done. |
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| 11:09.47 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 11:10.05 | jetscreamer | did you check the mixer it's usually on 0 by default esp if you didn't install alsa-utils |
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| 11:13.35 | ukh | I need a user-friendly, simple Access-like tool, for very simple data entry. I'd do it with Gnumeric if it wasn't that I'd rather not use a spreadsheet for text data. OO.org Base is a joke - it randomly eats my records and insults me. Suggestions? |
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| 11:16.17 | mosno | ukh: kexi? |
| 11:17.35 | ukh | mosno: thanks, I'll have a look at it! |
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| 11:17.45 | mosno | ukh: their www site is down |
| 11:17.47 | mosno | for me |
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| 11:17.56 | mosno | ukh: but try it anyway :) |
| 11:18.39 | ukh | mosno: ah... it even allows me to specify unique fields! |
| 11:18.48 | mosno | ukh: woohoo |
| 11:19.19 | mosno | ukh: KDE apps tend to rock |
| 11:19.30 | mosno | ukh: ie. fine-grained control wise |
| 11:19.58 | ukh | mosno: well, I'm a Gnome die-hard, but OO.org Base was just a cruel joke |
| 11:20.09 | ukh | kexi looks like what I need |
| 11:20.17 | mosno | ukh: aah yes, I remember my Gnome die-hard days |
| 11:21.13 | ukh | mosno: :-) |
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| 11:21.42 | mosno | ukh: my next adventure is slackware + dm-crypt on LVM VG + KDE4 built from SVN |
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| 11:23.37 | ukh | mosno: wow. if I'm to be honest, the main reason I never looked at KDE is that I hate C++. But that's okay, since C++ usually doesn't like me either. :-) |
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| 11:23.47 | LimCore | so... noone knows how to record sound? |
| 11:23.51 | LimCore | it worked on ubuntu :/ |
| 11:23.54 | mosno | ukh: i figured, "hey i'm not CODING my Desktop, I'm USING it" |
| 11:23.57 | LimCore | with this card |
| 11:24.15 | mosno | i think of it as like an appliance |
| 11:24.32 | mosno | besides, its GPLv3, so meh |
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| 11:25.34 | ukh | mosno: you're absolutely right. I really should give KDE a proper try. Maybe next time gconfd zzaps my .gconf settings (which it does ever so often)... |
| 11:26.28 | mosno | ukh: i find that $HOME Gnome stuff causes my user's Gnome session to become more HDD intensive over time |
| 11:26.44 | mosno | ukh: i'd find myself creating a new user every few months |
| 11:27.33 | mosno | ukh: i can't really vouch for KDE4 (yet), but KDE 3.5.8 is quite nice. |
| 11:27.59 | ukh | mosno: well, I'm running $HOME over NFS, with several client machines. It can be a real adventure! ;-) |
| 11:28.02 | mosno | ukh: however, since i've got my backup OS on external HDD, i'm free to fiddle with KDE4 without screwing something up on my main system |
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| 11:28.30 | mosno | ukh: why NFS? aren't there better network file systems now? |
| 11:28.53 | wols | mosno: care to tell us which ones? |
| 11:29.06 | mosno | wols: no, i've never dabbled |
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| 11:29.32 | ukh | mosno: not really. smb is still a single user affair, and well, AFS is kind of overkill |
| 11:29.57 | mosno | ukh: i was just googling AFS (i'd briefly read about it once) |
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| 11:31.22 | ralf_ | !find atime |
| 11:31.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'atime' (2): kteatime ;; teatime. |
| 11:31.24 | ukh | mosno: AFS is really cool, but it requires some hacking to set up properly. |
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| 11:32.32 | kfiggle | has noone a clue to help me out ? i allways get stuck when the installer wants so configure the apt sources... |
| 11:32.56 | kfiggle | but thats not possible without network |
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| 11:33.11 | mosno | all good things in linux require some hacking, i'm finding |
| 11:33.21 | mosno | well, not all |
| 11:33.27 | kfiggle | whenever i try to circumvent this i dont get a kernel nor grub installed |
| 11:34.40 | kfiggle | hacking ...well...i'll try to changeroot and get a kernel |
| 11:35.19 | catenaccio | hay goys |
| 11:36.13 | mosno | ukh: how do you mean single user for smb? file locking? |
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| 11:38.30 | ukh | mosno: no, it won't (at least not what I'm aware of) work if you use cifs to mount a volume, and have say two users on the machine. Either you mount it as root, and *everyone* has access to the fs, or you mount it for a single user, and *only* that user has access to it. But that might have changed now. |
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| 11:40.42 | ukh | mosno: but don't take my word for it - I'm no CIFS/smb expert |
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| 11:45.23 | sChaaa | hola |
| 11:46.03 | mosno | ukh: maybe there's a fuse module which mounts private per-user *shrug* |
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| 11:47.03 | mosno | ukh: i'm no CIFS expert either, despite spending hours hacking smb.conf |
| 11:47.42 | kfiggle | is there a way to boot into an installed system from dvd ? don't see any switch at the prompt or in help? |
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| 11:49.06 | ukh | mosno: I'm no NFS expert either, but it usually works out of the box... |
| 11:50.11 | Winkie | ukh: you should be able to mount with group permissions on a smb share and assign a 'smbusers' group? |
| 11:50.12 | mosno | where box = tarball in linux-land :P |
| 11:50.19 | icesword | ukh, what os u you use |
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| 11:50.36 | mosno | Winkie: that adds complications |
| 11:51.05 | Winkie | mosno: in what manner? |
| 11:51.20 | ukh | icesword: debian? mainly etch, but also sarge. some ubuntu too. |
| 11:51.44 | mosno | Winkie: umask comes into play |
| 11:51.48 | adinc | hello, i would like to ask how i can add a variable into a file in the /etc/skel directory which will be replaced with the username, is this possible_ |
| 11:51.52 | mosno | Winkie: depending on use case of course |
| 11:52.06 | icesword | ukh, yeah,what version is your gnome? |
| 11:52.22 | Winkie | mosno: that's true, but a typical file umask is 002, not 022 |
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| 11:52.35 | mosno | Winkie: like i said, use case :) |
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| 11:52.56 | ukh | icesword: 2.14.3.6 |
| 11:53.09 | Winkie | mosno: fair enough, i presume you could mount multiple copies in /mnt/whatever/$user/ but it would probably be much worse |
| 11:53.35 | icesword | ukh, yeah,that is it,anyhow i tried diff repos ,i only got 2.14 available |
| 11:53.35 | mosno | Winkie: that's what we're talking about, per-user mounts :) |
| 11:53.53 | Winkie | mosno: sorry, i just sorta popped in, saw the question and figured i'd ask :) |
| 11:54.09 | ralf_ | does anyone know why 'find / -atime 2' gives results even though the computer has been off over the weekend? ;) |
| 11:54.10 | mosno | Winkie: np, i do it aaaal the time |
| 11:54.13 | mosno | all* |
| 11:54.34 | icesword | is that makes debian stable? |
| 11:54.54 | mosno | icesword: likely |
| 11:55.28 | icesword | though so,i want to say debian is great coz of its dependcies |
| 11:55.42 | mosno | what's the doover for LCD brightness in xorg? |
| 11:55.43 | icesword | dependencies |
| 11:56.05 | mosno | my eyes are buuuurning |
| 11:58.12 | icesword | mosno, do you think linux is responsible for this,maybe it is your lcd issue |
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| 11:59.24 | mosno | bah, its not xgamma (it doesn't dim white) |
| 11:59.29 | Rapp | could it be that debian testing is missing snd-hda-codec? |
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| 11:59.35 | mosno | icesword: its a configuration issue, you insensitive clod! |
| 12:00.01 | mosno | icesword: xorg is responsible |
| 12:00.03 | mosno | *sigh* |
| 12:00.12 | mosno | or some such thingy |
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| 12:00.53 | icesword | mosno, wht you mean by that "insensitive clod" |
| 12:01.37 | icesword | mosno, what version is your gnome |
| 12:01.59 | ukh | mosno: aww. kexi even exports to plain .csv without insulting me! plain and simple, perfect! :-) |
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| 12:02.14 | mosno | icesword: i don't run Gnome, you insensitive clod! |
| 12:02.24 | mosno | icesword: its a slashdot joke, the clod thing |
| 12:02.37 | mosno | ukh: glad i could help |
| 12:02.42 | icesword | i don't speak english |
| 12:02.48 | mosno | icesword: oh |
| 12:03.07 | mosno | icesword: i want to know for xorg, not Gnome or KDE |
| 12:03.22 | icesword | #xorg |
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| 12:04.56 | mosno | icesword: i did a workaround -- make new user, start new X session in Gnome, dim display |
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| 12:05.05 | mosno | icesword: now i can switch back to KDE and dim also :) |
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| 12:05.47 | icesword | mosno, now,you know you are using a lcd monitor |
| 12:06.13 | icesword | maybe you can google "lcd monitor dim" |
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| 12:06.19 | roddersg | how do I make etch recognise the Intel Gigabit NIC on my motherboard (its e1000 btw) |
| 12:06.42 | mosno | icesword: [22:55] <mosno> what's the doover for LCD brightness in xorg? |
| 12:06.58 | mosno | icesword: i've been googling my ass off, and i'm still doing so |
| 12:07.14 | icesword | sorry,i am not xorg expert |
| 12:07.28 | mosno | i want my $0 back |
| 12:07.36 | icesword | hehe |
| 12:07.44 | mosno | :-) |
| 12:08.00 | icesword | roddersg, what is nic? |
| 12:08.26 | kfiggle | eaeaeaeaaah..now i am totally confused . all editors are looking for bterm..and thats not installed |
| 12:08.26 | roddersg | Its an onboard Intel e1000 on the acer t661 |
| 12:08.37 | kfiggle | now its hackingtime |
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| 12:08.47 | roddersg | I can get ubuntu to recogrnise it but deb 4 seems to have problems |
| 12:09.01 | kfiggle | you need to upgrade your kernel or compile a newer driver |
| 12:09.17 | nustyle | hi. can i use old xmonad .deb files? on etch theres NO xmonad available. :( |
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| 12:09.26 | roddersg | kernel I am using is 2.6.18, its supposed to be the latest on the repos. |
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| 12:09.56 | icesword | yeah,on the repos |
| 12:10.24 | roddersg | I have googled for the hack, but all I get is that debian has problems recognising the onboard e1000 |
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| 12:12.08 | iateadonut | hi. i clicked the update button in the type right corner of gnome. upon reboot, there are 4 selections in grub for debian, and none of them work. |
| 12:12.33 | iateadonut | they say that there is no /sbin/init on the drive i want to load, and then i get dropped down to a shell |
| 12:12.40 | icesword | iateadonut, what version is your gnome |
| 12:13.02 | iateadonut | whichever one comes with etch |
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| 12:13.23 | icesword | iateadonut, you mean now u cannot boot into debian |
| 12:13.25 | iateadonut | i'm on puppy now. |
| 12:13.41 | iateadonut | right. |
| 12:13.45 | icesword | did you have a debian cd? |
| 12:13.59 | iateadonut | i have a dvd, yes |
| 12:14.05 | iateadonut | i have to reinstall? |
| 12:14.10 | icesword | so what you do makes it crazy |
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| 12:14.41 | iateadonut | updated, not through the cli, but through the gui. |
| 12:15.13 | iateadonut | must've been a kernel update |
| 12:15.17 | icesword | no,that is not the thing,what package you installed or upgraded |
| 12:15.40 | iateadonut | it said 51 packages to update, and i said ok, blindly. |
| 12:15.57 | icesword | after then,you reboot ,what it told you? |
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| 12:16.29 | iateadonut | no /sbin/init in the drive i'm trying to load up, and then it drops to a shell. |
| 12:17.12 | icesword | did you try that safe mode |
| 12:17.33 | iateadonut | safe mode? i didn't see one. i only saw single user. |
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| 12:17.45 | icesword | yeah,that is it |
| 12:17.47 | iateadonut | i guess i'll try now. |
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| 12:20.02 | iateadonut | didn't work. |
| 12:20.04 | iateadonut | same thing. |
| 12:20.11 | iateadonut | target drive has no /sbin/init |
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| 12:21.47 | rrplay | mosno: do you have "Gamma 1.0" in your xorg.config ? re Section Monitor |
| 12:22.00 | icesword | your /sbin/init which is the 0 process,cannot be accessed ,why |
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| 12:23.19 | icesword | iateadonut,? |
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| 12:25.00 | petter_ | ³ |
| 12:25.14 | petter_ | !ati |
| 12:25.14 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
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| 12:26.36 | iateadonut | do you have an /sbin/init/ directory on your debian? |
| 12:26.54 | icesword | surely |
| 12:27.23 | iateadonut | i pretty much have to reinstall, huh? |
| 12:27.28 | iateadonut | what a pain in the ass. |
| 12:27.36 | icesword | iateadonut, now,tell me,how many partition you have ,he just said your "target drive not exist |
| 12:27.48 | iateadonut | no, it said the |
| 12:27.57 | iateadonut | target drive did not contain that directory. |
| 12:28.02 | iateadonut | and i just checked it, and it doesn't. |
| 12:28.11 | icesword | what? |
| 12:28.23 | icesword | it doesn;'t? |
| 12:28.28 | iateadonut | i just checked the drive that my grub is on, and there is no /sbin/init/ |
| 12:28.33 | iateadonut | is there such a drive on your installation? |
| 12:29.02 | icesword | sure i have that /sbin/init |
| 12:29.18 | iateadonut | i'm just going to have to reinstall, i guess. |
| 12:29.21 | iateadonut | lenny came out? |
| 12:29.29 | wols | init is no directory, it's a file |
| 12:29.36 | wols | iateadonut: no |
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| 12:30.02 | icesword | init is just the process that starts all others |
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| 12:30.54 | iateadonut | ok. i have the file. |
| 12:31.14 | icesword | wols, what is wrong with iateadonut ? |
| 12:31.26 | icesword | iateadonut's machine |
| 12:32.03 | wols | misconfigured gnome or kenrel most likeyl |
| 12:32.09 | wols | erm misconfigured grub that is |
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| 12:32.16 | iateadonut | grub is fine. |
| 12:32.25 | unenough | I have create a .deb package, but want to modify it. how do i do that? |
| 12:32.32 | unenough | created with checkinstall |
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| 12:32.39 | unenough | i want to add dependencies |
| 12:32.51 | wols | unenough: remove it and compile it new |
| 12:33.00 | unenough | it's a hassle |
| 12:33.20 | wols | !pity unenough |
| 12:33.21 | dpkg | I pity da fool unenough! |
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| 12:33.25 | sz0 | Someone can help me about fetchmail? It just saved mails for once then never ever saved any email second time.. I deleted the mail file (/var/mail/sz0) but it didn't save neither the emails again. It finds the emails and downloads but doesn't save. |
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| 12:33.51 | wols | stoffell: does it hand over the mails to exim? |
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| 12:34.08 | unenough | is there a way to unpack the deb package so i can see the /debian dir? |
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| 12:34.22 | wols | dpkg -x |
| 12:34.31 | wols | tho: what debian/ dir? |
| 12:34.45 | wols | why would ther be one in a binary package? |
| 12:34.51 | Blastur | hi.. im trying to install openssh on etch, however, it seems like packages depend on Perl v2565?! which obviously isn't avail. Check my log from the apt-get: http://pastebin.com/m42cadb67 ..any clues? |
| 12:35.02 | icesword | iateadonut, that it gave you a shell,right.what about you try init 5 |
| 12:35.27 | unenough | wols, ok, so wherever the build dependency information is kept |
| 12:35.36 | unenough | not build dependency, just dependency |
| 12:36.53 | unenough | control file |
| 12:36.56 | loXx | what is the filesystem of choice for a dvd backup, that will only be used on etch or later? iso9660 level 3 or 4(9660:1999) with RockRidge or UDF? |
| 12:37.37 | Kevin` | loXx you can use tar with a dvd if your only reading it on unix systems (or any filesystem) |
| 12:38.11 | Kevin` | that would get you unix filesystem support with no restrictions and allow streaming |
| 12:38.31 | loXx | Kevin`: if i need a singe file a have to untar the whole archive |
| 12:39.11 | Kevin` | loXx yes. but how are you storing them currently? surely some archive format to preserve permissions and such |
| 12:39.29 | iateadonut | so, no clue why this happened? |
| 12:39.58 | iateadonut | my best guess is that the update gui installed a new kernel (although it is the same kernel as before) and then something got mussed up. |
| 12:40.18 | Matlock | hi , can someone help me with clamav ? clamscan /dir to scan but whats t cmd to scann nd remove infected files ? |
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| 12:40.48 | iateadonut | 2.6.18-5-686 the new one is 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 12:40.56 | coolStar | hi...anyone installed etch on thinkpad t61? |
| 12:41.04 | wols | !tell iateadonut about errors |
| 12:41.12 | icesword | iateadonut, you just use a command to upgrade or you selected some files and then upgraded |
| 12:41.15 | coolStar | is there a thinkpad acpi utility for linux? |
| 12:41.27 | wols | !tell coolStar about tinkpad |
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| 12:41.32 | wols | !tell coolStar about thinkpad |
| 12:41.35 | tralala | coolStar, utility for what? |
| 12:41.40 | Kevin` | coolStar acpi does a lot. what would this utility do? |
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| 12:42.02 | loXx | Kevin`: yes, currently there is a tar+gz, but i search for something where i can get single files faster |
| 12:42.05 | wols | icesword: your menu.lst, your fdisk -l output please |
| 12:42.13 | Matlock | hi , can someone help me with clamav ? clamscan /dir to scan but whats t cmd to scann nd remove infected files ? doeas anybody know that ? |
| 12:42.16 | iateadonut | it goes to grub, has TWO debians to choose from, boots up, starts mounting, and then says, target filesystem does not have /sbin/init |
| 12:42.20 | wols | !tell Matlock about repeat |
| 12:42.27 | roddersg | how do I make etch recognise the Intel Gigabit NIC on my motherboard (its e1000 btw) |
| 12:42.33 | Kevin` | loXx tell me when you find a good archive format. i've always used tar |
| 12:42.34 | icesword | wols, why? |
| 12:42.43 | iateadonut | !tell iateadonut about repeat |
| 12:42.45 | wols | opps |
| 12:42.48 | coolStar | sorry..that was too broad |
| 12:42.50 | wols | iateadonut: your menu.lst, your fdisk -l output please |
| 12:42.57 | wols | !tell iateadonut about selftell |
| 12:43.04 | wols | Matlock: get a backported kernel |
| 12:43.06 | loXx | Kevin`: okay :) |
| 12:43.08 | Kevin` | roddersg it really should be without any action on your part. modprobe e1000? |
| 12:43.16 | wols | grrr |
| 12:43.21 | iateadonut | run fdisk here on puppy linux? |
| 12:43.29 | wols | !tell roddersg about backports |
| 12:43.31 | coolStar | uhmm..apparently there is a thinkpad-acpi program..or ibm-acpi program..to monitor/control fan, thermal stuff on thinkpads... |
| 12:43.36 | icesword | parted |
| 12:43.44 | icesword | !parted |
| 12:43.44 | wols | Matlock: wasn't for you, sorry. all I can tell you read the clamav manpage /dos |
| 12:43.45 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 12:43.47 | coolStar | the machine gets really hot very soon..and fan is always running |
| 12:43.48 | roddersg | modprobe e1000 runs ok but the NIC is not recognised, it also kills off my 3Com card |
| 12:43.50 | amphi | coolStar: it's a kernel module |
| 12:43.50 | Kevin` | loXx there is, somewhere, a utility to creaate an ext3 filesystem from files. might be appropriate if you can findit. |
| 12:43.56 | coolStar | i want to be able to set fan speed and when the fan comes on and off etc |
| 12:43.58 | iateadonut | looks normal. |
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| 12:44.08 | tralala | wols on a telling spree... |
| 12:44.22 | coolStar | amphi: ok...im new to this acpi thing..how do i go about doing looking at fan speed, controlling it etc |
| 12:44.25 | wols | iateadonut: either you answer our questions or you can take a hike with your problem |
| 12:44.37 | wols | tralala: mayhem! |
| 12:44.39 | amphi | coolStar: /proc/acpi/ibm |
| 12:44.42 | Kevin` | loXx also, any of the read only filesystems like squashfs you could use, but squashfs in particular is memory intensive for archive creation (I used it once for a full system backup. worked ok though) |
| 12:44.48 | icesword | iateadonut, wols wants you paste your menu.lst here,also fdisk -l /dev/(s)hda |
| 12:44.50 | coolStar | so, wondering if anyone has thinkpad with debian :) |
| 12:44.57 | coolStar | amphi: ok..kool..will look at that |
| 12:45.03 | Matlock | ok thx and sry for repeat my question ;) |
| 12:45.04 | wols | coolStar: I gave you a big fat factoid |
| 12:45.11 | Matlock | bye |
| 12:45.30 | tralala | coolStar, there's a fan control script on the wiki that wols gave you |
| 12:45.33 | amphi | coolStar: also see /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi |
| 12:45.42 | Kevin` | loXx that would give you very quick random access to files. preserve permissions, and work on a cd |
| 12:45.45 | coolStar | wols: ooopsss sorry man..i didnt see ur message...i was looking at the highlighted replies in irssi |
| 12:45.49 | coolStar | honestly..missed it |
| 12:45.54 | amphi | coolStar: tp_smapi is worth having also |
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| 12:46.08 | jayaraj | hi i need to download one package and all its dependancies. i tried apt-get -d. but the prob is i have all the packages already installed in my debian. any solution for this? |
| 12:46.12 | iateadonut | right you are. |
| 12:46.22 | iateadonut | the grub says hda now instead of hdc. |
| 12:46.26 | roddersg | well any suggestions on e1000? there's lots of hits on etch not recognising it on the mb, but no solutions |
| 12:46.34 | Kevin` | loXx might not support streaming, depending on the filesystem and utility |
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| 12:46.49 | wols | roddersg: I told you |
| 12:46.52 | coolStar | wols: without being rude..could you kindly give me that factoid link again? |
| 12:46.59 | iateadonut | thank you very much. |
| 12:47.03 | wols | coolStar: /msg dpkg thinkpad |
| 12:47.11 | yang | In the simple installer under guided partitioning where does the selection for RAID appear? |
| 12:47.19 | wols | yang: no |
| 12:47.25 | loXx | Kevin`: thanks, i will read about that. |
| 12:47.28 | wols | you need a expert install for RAID IIRC |
| 12:47.31 | yang | ok |
| 12:47.31 | wols | !tell yang about ig |
| 12:47.34 | roddersg | wols yeah looking at the backports stuff now, but isn't there a simpler way |
| 12:47.34 | coolStar | ok..so i just do dpkg thinkpad |
| 12:47.35 | coolStar | cool |
| 12:47.41 | tralala | roddersg, install a newer kernel from bpo |
| 12:47.50 | wols | roddersg: yes. buy a new NIC |
| 12:48.06 | Kevin` | yang I doubt it's in the guided partitioning, but why would you want automatic guessing of raid setup? |
| 12:48.06 | jayaraj | hi i need to download one package and all its dependancies. i tried apt-get -d. but the prob is i have all the packages already installed in my debian. any solution for this? |
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| 12:48.20 | wols | !tell jayaraj about repeat |
| 12:48.55 | tralala | jayaraj, apt-zip on the target machine |
| 12:49.18 | Kevin` | roddersg killing off your 3com card sounds like you might have some conflicts preventing it from working |
| 12:49.49 | roddersg | guys it works with ubuntu, and kevin, I've tried without the 3com card, it is not recognised |
| 12:49.51 | yang | Kevin`: why not it worked for me before |
| 12:50.08 | jayaraj | tralala target machine is my home machine.. its internet connection is very slow... so am planning to fetch packages from office machine... got it |
| 12:50.20 | Kevin` | roddersg i have used an e1000 card in debian. not sure wht to say on that. |
| 12:50.24 | tralala | jayaraj, apt-zip is the way to go |
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| 12:50.43 | roddersg | standalone e1000 cards work, but not the one on the intel motherboard |
| 12:50.58 | Kevin` | yang because you know best which drives in your system should be part of the array and how the array should be layed out |
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| 12:51.11 | jayaraj | tralala: let me try .. thanks a lot :) |
| 12:51.12 | roddersg | I can modprobe, and modprobe returns no errors, but ifconfig -a doesn't show the NIC |
| 12:51.46 | roddersg | tralala what's bpo? |
| 12:51.59 | tralala | roddersg, the ubuntu version you used is likely having a newer kernel - one that supports this card. Get a newer kernel in etch and you should be fine. Bpo is backports.org |
| 12:52.02 | streuner | !bpo |
| 12:52.03 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 12:52.11 | tralala | jayaraj, you're welcome |
| 12:52.36 | roddersg | yeah looking at that now, also using the latest etch kernel 2.6.18 from the repos |
| 12:53.34 | Kevin` | there are of course changes between 2.6.18 and 2.6.24.2 :) |
| 12:53.48 | icesword | roddersg, you from singgapore |
| 12:53.50 | et | no ... who would've thought that? |
| 12:53.53 | roddersg | where to find the .24, that's the one that is supposed to work |
| 12:54.05 | streuner | roddersg: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:54.06 | tralala | the latest etch kernel is about 18 months old |
| 12:54.19 | streuner | roddersg: bpo has a .24 kernel, IIRC |
| 12:54.24 | Kevin` | backports.org mentioned or kernel.org if you want to do it yourself |
| 12:54.25 | tralala | .22 |
| 12:54.26 | roddersg | streuner, don't have the machine online |
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| 12:55.04 | streuner | roddersg: well, burn that package and its depends to a CD-RW or such and install it |
| 12:55.28 | Kevin` | usb key easier then cds |
| 12:55.30 | roddersg | streuner, looking for it now |
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| 12:56.13 | Kevin` | anyone know what that means? ^ |
| 12:56.19 | Kevin` | (quit message) |
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| 12:56.41 | tralala | it means my font doesn't have these symbols |
| 12:56.46 | streuner | UTF-8 |
| 12:57.16 | Kevin` | tralala if your not chinese seeing the symbol probably wouldn't help anyway :) (i'm not) |
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| 12:57.41 | tralala | Kevin`, this is why I'm not going out of my way to change the font :) |
| 12:59.07 | roddersg | streuner, which package should I be looking for linux-kernel-image or "2.6.24" ? |
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| 12:59.52 | tralala | roddersg, linux-image |
| 12:59.59 | roddersg | silly me |
| 13:00.26 | tralala | and if that's bpo you'd want 2.6.22-4 |
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| 13:00.32 | Perfector | hi |
| 13:00.40 | Perfector | at what time does the cron.daily run by default? |
| 13:01.08 | wols | 6:25AM IIRC |
| 13:01.22 | tralala | Perfector, at the one specified in /etc/crontab |
| 13:01.42 | tralala | (which is 6:25 indeed) |
| 13:01.57 | Perfector | ok |
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| 13:02.20 | roddersg | tralala - thanks found it |
| 13:02.26 | tralala | roddersg, you're welcome |
| 13:02.58 | roddersg | is there any difference between the 686 and k7 images for amd64 (running 32-bit) processors? |
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| 13:03.29 | Perfector | are you sure it's defined in etc/crontab? |
| 13:03.44 | Perfector | eah |
| 13:03.46 | tralala | Perfector, /etc/crontab |
| 13:03.47 | Perfector | yeah, you're correct |
| 13:04.14 | tralala | roddersg, for a 64bit capable athlon the architecture is -k8 |
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| 13:05.00 | roddersg | tralala, no don't want to go down that path again. Had lots of problems. Using it as the 32-bit |
| 13:05.09 | tralala | roddersg, however (imho) the differences between 386,686 and k8 are of mere theoretical interest |
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| 13:05.31 | wols | tralala: well.... 386 to 686 there is a jump |
| 13:05.34 | tralala | roddersg, -k8 is 32bit, 64bit is -amd64 |
| 13:05.42 | wols | afterward P5 the changes are minimal yes |
| 13:05.56 | psycodad_ | how long does it take on sarge to reflect a change in resolv.conf ? |
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| 13:06.11 | tralala | wols, noticable, performance/stability wise? |
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| 13:06.25 | wols | preformance usually (imho) |
| 13:06.32 | dirk_ | how can I change the time setting, I've europe amsterdam, but the time isn't right (20:00 hr) |
| 13:06.34 | wols | not a whole lot but not below measuring point either imho |
| 13:06.41 | wols | as with 686 to k8 |
| 13:06.47 | wols | !tzconfig |
| 13:06.47 | dpkg | well, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 13:07.00 | roddersg | hmm, better change my kernel, I'm using a k7. |
| 13:07.05 | tralala | psycodad_, normally a restart of the program(s) in question |
| 13:07.46 | psycodad_ | tralala: i use ping to check it, but it doesn't reflect in the "options timeout 1" i have set it still takes 5s like default, |
| 13:08.12 | tralala | wols, tbh I do always use the appropriate build for the cpu out of pure pedantry |
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| 13:08.46 | wols | tralala: heck I compile my own kernels and use the highest gcc I can find :) |
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| 13:09.18 | wols | speaking of. time to try the .23 and the dam acx100 drivers |
| 13:10.35 | tralala | psycodad_, oh, I never knew that you can do such things with resolv.conf |
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| 13:10.51 | tralala | wols, oh, well - I don't go that far :) |
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| 13:11.35 | psycodad_ | tralala: he, once your primary dns goes down you face such tweaks ;) |
| 13:12.05 | wols | if all else fails run your own bind and query directly from root dns |
| 13:12.32 | tralala | dnsmasq is probably less of an overkill |
| 13:12.53 | wols | but it wants a ISPs DNS to query, not root DNS... |
| 13:13.07 | wols | so if said ISP DNS is fubar |
| 13:13.33 | tralala | dnsmasq can't query root dns? |
| 13:13.53 | wols | ewll mine imply queries whatever is in local resolv.conf |
| 13:14.03 | wols | *simply |
| 13:14.13 | wols | and caches it for the LAN |
| 13:14.30 | tralala | oh, yes - right |
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| 13:15.02 | tralala | psycodad_, but really, why don't you just switch to a more reliable server? |
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| 13:16.31 | Perfector | anyone had any problems using clamav? I've got these errors on my maillog: ClamAV-clamd av-scanner FAILED: Too many retries to talk to /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl I think they occur after logrotate, because of this postfix cant deliver emails before clamav-deamon is restarted |
| 13:16.58 | psycodad_ | tralala: there is a reason that there backups but they need to be queried more faster. I solved my problem meanwhile the setting needed is "options timeout:2" then it works. |
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| 13:18.48 | tralala | Perfector, that would be a bug in the clamav package - it should have a setup that works with logrotate |
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| 13:21.34 | kantor | hi, how can I change the kernel cache size, buffer size ? |
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| 13:21.46 | Blastur | hmm, is the madwifi driver easily available through apt? can't seem to find it when i search the repository |
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| 13:23.10 | tralala | Blastur, /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 13:23.17 | yang | wols: the manual doesnt cover where RAID setup apperas |
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| 13:25.48 | wols | !uniqe http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+raid+install+etch&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 13:25.56 | wols | -!unique |
| 13:26.17 | jayaraj | tralala: is 'apt-zip' a command? i tried it was not there. i did apt -get install apt-zip. it got installed. still bash says apt-zip unknown command! |
| 13:26.21 | Blastur | thanks tralala |
| 13:26.44 | Blastur | what is the purpose of !unique |
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| 13:28.24 | tralala | Blastur, you're welcome |
| 13:28.48 | yang | wols: its funny, I used to do RAID installation several times with installed, this time I seem a bit lost, cant find the option |
| 13:29.06 | tralala | jayaraj, read the docs, the actual command are apt-list and apt-inst iir |
| 13:29.09 | tralala | iirc |
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| 13:30.49 | jayaraj | tralala: let me see docs then... i was runnig out of time :) |
| 13:31.39 | _Krieger_ | when CompactFlash is connected to IDE port i can see it`s id by cat /proc/ide/hdX/identify; how to get that when CF is connected to usb cardreader? |
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| 13:36.01 | prahal | sorry to ask a non debian query . Do you know why debian shipped kernels properly loads the crypto api modules (for wpa_supplicant use) and custom build ones do not ? I have looked in the various patches shipped and they seems not to help in this regards . Initramfs maybe ? |
| 13:36.22 | vlt | Hello. Can I change permissions of /mnt/some_fs while it is mounted? |
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| 13:36.40 | prahal | I ask here because if there is a trick it is debian based ... |
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| 13:37.32 | teclo- | what's again a command to repeat the same command every three seconds ? |
| 13:38.00 | prahal | vlt, maybe with mount -o remount,uid=... |
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| 13:38.34 | prahal | teclo-, "watch" ? it shows the output but also executes commands in a repeated manner |
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| 13:39.33 | teclo- | prahal: thanks :) |
| 13:39.47 | prahal | vlt, or did you mean changing the permission of the files themselves ? if so yes you can and it the the only way in fact |
| 13:40.26 | prahal | teclo-, but you could also use crontab -e to have something less interactive |
| 13:40.36 | Blastur | is it possible to make apt-get more verbose? when i install a program, it seems to get stuck, just sitting there for an hour, until i break it.. i'd like to know whats going on more than just "Setting up openssh-client" |
| 13:40.53 | n0mad | damn nvclock goes crazy (my agp 3dacl-on model drivers ok) sees as pci card with GPU clock: -2147483.750 MHz ....xD :S |
| 13:41.09 | Matlock | hi, does anybody know a german support irc.server or channel for linux debian ? |
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| 13:42.16 | prahal | Matlock, irc.debian.org #debian.de |
| 13:42.26 | Matlock | thx |
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| 13:43.18 | scorphus | I need help on swtting up a wireless interface. iwlist wlan0 scanning lists my access point, how should I set /etc/network/interface to connect to it? |
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| 13:43.44 | prahal | scorphus, wep , wpa or open network ? |
| 13:44.03 | scorphus | prahal: WPA Version 1 |
| 13:44.11 | dirk_ | why can't I install 'menu' for fluxbox on lenny/sid?? |
| 13:44.43 | valdyn | scorphus: man wireless, see the "DEBIAN 3.0" section |
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| 13:45.00 | scorphus | valdyn: on my way, thanks |
| 13:45.03 | chops | dirk_: What happens when you try? |
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| 13:45.40 | coolStar | anyone how i can switch rooms in irssi? |
| 13:45.55 | valdyn | coolStar: alt-x |
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| 13:46.00 | coolStar | thanks |
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| 13:46.29 | Crungmungus | hi guys |
| 13:46.36 | coolStar | huh? wat does that mean? |
| 13:46.43 | Crungmungus | uname -r tells me that I am running 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 13:46.50 | valdyn | coolStar: x is a number, 12345678 etc |
| 13:46.52 | Crungmungus | but there are no apt packages for the header files |
| 13:46.58 | Crungmungus | should I upgrade my kernel ? |
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| 13:47.01 | prahal | iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n wpa-ssid <your_essid> \n wpa-key-mgmt WPA-PSK \n wpa-key "<yourkey>" is what I use (though I don't know if I am using wpa 1 or 2 ) shoud be a good start . You need wpasupplicant installed |
| 13:47.02 | Hypergraphe | Hi |
| 13:47.03 | coolStar | ± |
| 13:47.06 | coolStar | oops |
| 13:47.12 | Hypergraphe | i'm having some issue with th lenny netinst |
| 13:47.13 | valdyn | coolStar: maybe you need to join the "room" ( really its "channel" ) first |
| 13:47.16 | coolStar | naah man..im doing alt+1 not working |
| 13:47.23 | Hypergraphe | it's freezing at ssl-cert |
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| 13:47.37 | teclo- | thanks guys |
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| 13:47.48 | coolStar | i;ve joined gentoo, sabayon and debian...i wanna swtich to the other room |
| 13:47.51 | Perfector | What kind of a problems might arise if I run the logrotate manually during the day? |
| 13:47.54 | amphi | Hypergraphe: someone else was saying that some hours ago in #debian-amd64 :( |
| 13:47.58 | coolStar | rather than having to type /join again |
| 13:48.00 | Perfector | I need to test if my clamav works now |
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| 13:48.12 | Hypergraphe | amphi: what was the solution ? |
| 13:48.21 | amphi | coolStar: irssi.org has a faq and other info |
| 13:48.26 | bolt_ | foo |
| 13:48.27 | amphi | Hypergraphe: none that I saw |
| 13:48.28 | prahal | Blastur, you can add "set -x" at the start of /var/lib/dpkg/info/<your_package>.postint if it happens in postinstall |
| 13:48.37 | coolStar | ooooooookie :) |
| 13:48.38 | prahal | well after the shebang |
| 13:48.55 | Perfector | any problems? If I ran this command manually: test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 13:49.01 | n0mad | nvclock any expirienced >? |
| 13:49.04 | chops | Crungmungus: What architecture? What's kernel package exactly are you running? |
| 13:49.10 | Hypergraphe | i'm trying without installing any apps |
| 13:49.22 | Hypergraphe | i'm gonna install everything manually i'll let you know |
| 13:49.31 | Crungmungus | i686 for intel |
| 13:49.42 | amphi | coolStar: BTW, adv_windowlist.pl is a very useful irssi script IMHO |
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| 13:51.47 | chops | Crungmungus: I'd advise upgrading your kernel, then, yes... linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 (if that's the one that you mean you have installed) would be quite old. Newer ones have security updates that you almost certainly want (in addition to being able to install the headerse). |
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| 13:52.21 | Crungmungus | chops: Is that a tricky thing to do ? |
| 13:52.53 | chops | Crungmungus: Nope. 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 13:53.03 | scorphus | when configuring wireless to use an access point (which is set as router), what wireless-mode should I use? |
| 13:53.19 | chops | Crungmungus: It might be best to pastebin what aptitude outputs before telling it to go ahead, just to make sure that you're only going to get security updates |
| 13:53.30 | amphi | scorphus: master if you want to be an AP |
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| 13:54.44 | scorphus | amphi: I have an access point packaged by a manufacturer, it is a small box just like a normal router. I do not intend to set my debian box as an AP... |
| 13:55.08 | scorphus | I think it is wireless-mode managed |
| 13:55.10 | prahal | scorphus, managed |
| 13:55.17 | nebM0ft | What am I doing wrong with my find command? http://rafb.net/p/rdwCai89.html |
| 13:55.19 | scorphus | cool, I was about to test it |
| 13:55.22 | scorphus | thanks, prahal |
| 13:55.32 | chops | nebM0ft: You want find . -name '*java' |
| 13:55.41 | nebM0ft | I have a bunch of jave files in the current directory and its subdirectories |
| 13:55.53 | nebM0ft | chops: bash eats up the '*'? |
| 13:56.01 | chops | nebM0ft: It expands it |
| 13:56.07 | nebM0ft | right, thanks |
| 13:56.34 | chops | nebM0ft: It's a bit odd that you would get that exact error message... I may be missing something, or you may have a java file whose filename begins with '-' |
| 13:56.49 | nebM0ft | chops: nope |
| 13:57.03 | chops | nebM0ft: Huh. Anyway, adding single quotes should make it work again. |
| 13:57.03 | nebM0ft | chops: on a bleeding edge distro it worked just fine :) |
| 13:57.13 | chops | nebM0ft: :-/ |
| 13:57.13 | nebM0ft | chops: yeah it works great thanks |
| 13:57.23 | amphi | scorphus: sorry, I misunderstood - managed mode is what you want |
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| 13:57.36 | scorphus | amphi: right, thanks :) |
| 13:57.40 | chops | nebM0ft: It may not have been working fine; it may just have been showing you files within the top-level directory instead of recursing. |
| 13:58.24 | scorphus | it looks like I don't get response from the AP's DHCP server |
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| 13:58.57 | amphi | scorphus: are you associated? |
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| 13:59.43 | scorphus | amphi: you mean with CACert? |
| 14:00.01 | coolStar | amphi: thanks dude..will check it out |
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| 14:01.23 | nebM0ft | chops: I recall it working just fine, but I might be wrong |
| 14:01.47 | nebM0ft | chops: anyways find/sed kicks ass over any IDE any day :) |
| 14:01.52 | chops | nebM0ft: Agreed |
| 14:02.22 | nebM0ft | I wish vim had some cool sidebar for switching files :) |
| 14:02.28 | nebM0ft | Then i'd be complete. |
| 14:02.47 | scorphus | this wireless stuff is driving me crazy |
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| 14:03.44 | amphi | scorphus: are you using wep, or wpa, or neither? |
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| 14:03.59 | scorphus | amphi: wpa |
| 14:04.12 | arisv | any ideas on this? -> http://www.pastebin.ca/917531 (debian lenny) |
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| 14:04.30 | nebM0ft | chops: the only problem with sed/find is that you cant undo your mistakes. :-P |
| 14:04.39 | chops | nebM0ft: Source control? |
| 14:04.46 | nebM0ft | Whats that? |
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| 14:05.04 | chops | nebM0ft: E.g. svn or git |
| 14:05.25 | amphi | git FTW - svn is _slow_ |
| 14:06.37 | danand | arisv - nvidia is non-free - you may have to look at adding non-free to /etc/apt/source.list |
| 14:06.38 | nebM0ft | chops: what exactly does it do? |
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| 14:07.11 | chops | nebM0ft: It keeps old versions of your source code around, with annotations attached to each change indicating what changed. |
| 14:07.20 | chops | nebM0ft: It's basically mandatory for nontrivial development efforts |
| 14:07.27 | chops | nebM0ft: http://git.or.cz/ |
| 14:07.32 | arisv | danand: already added :/ but no luck |
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| 14:07.53 | nebM0ft | chops: sort of like a make file that does changes instead? |
| 14:08.09 | chops | nebM0ft: git is considered to be difficult to use by some people, but it's supposed to be the most powerful once you've got used to how it works. |
| 14:08.10 | danand | arisv - did you apt-get update afterwards? |
| 14:08.13 | chops | nebM0ft: Just read the documentation :-) |
| 14:08.35 | nebM0ft | ok, thanks for the help. |
| 14:08.51 | arisv | danand: yep, nv free driver is on lenny repositories or only on sid? |
| 14:08.52 | chops | nebM0ft: np |
| 14:09.25 | arisv | danand: nvidia-kernel-source does not exist in lenny I think.. |
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| 14:10.43 | cheetahw26 | anyone know how i can switch the default audio system (speakers) from the builtin soundcard to usb speakers ? |
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| 14:13.27 | chops | How do I tell what the filesystem block size is for an ext3 filesystem? Or is it just always 4k on modern filesystems? |
| 14:13.50 | danand | arisv - try apt-cache pkgnames | grep nvidia and see what output you get |
| 14:14.54 | chops | Ah, dumpe2fs |
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| 14:21.15 | arisv | danand: nah, nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source packages do not exist in lenny finally |
| 14:21.21 | arisv | only etch/sid |
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| 14:27.23 | nomad_cz | Hi. When using LVM via Debian Installer. Will it be linear or stripe mapping ? I want to use stripe ;) |
| 14:28.21 | danand | arisv - take a look at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-kernel-common. its in contrib |
| 14:29.07 | tralala | nomad_cz, I though dm does raid, not lvm |
| 14:29.15 | tralala | thought |
| 14:30.12 | Hypergraphe | ssl-cert is driving me crazy |
| 14:30.18 | Hypergraphe | wtf with this package |
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| 14:31.13 | nomad_cz | tralala: I believe you can create striped LV with LVM |
| 14:31.40 | nomad_cz | tralala: Bu tI do not know whether it is default in Debian Installer. It did not ask :/ |
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| 14:32.29 | amphi | Hypergraphe: "#230485: apache2/ssl-cert's debconf abuse makes baby jesus cry", heh |
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| 14:32.49 | Hypergraphe | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg456862.html |
| 14:32.50 | tralala | nomad_cz, is it better than using raid? If the installer doesn't give you the option you could create the lvm manually either from a console in the installer or from a live-cd |
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| 14:33.35 | waKKu | hi folks.. good morning.. |
| 14:33.40 | petemc | nomad_cz: as far as im aware, you can only do that on aix |
| 14:33.55 | waKKu | I'm having problem with /var/lib/dpkg/available.. has some way to recreate that file ? |
| 14:34.06 | nomad_cz | tralala: I know I could on other hand there is an option to do it in installer ;) I just do not know wht is default - linear or striped ? |
| 14:34.08 | waKKu | the file has been truncated .. |
| 14:34.08 | petemc | !available |
| 14:34.09 | dpkg | i heard available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". |
| 14:34.28 | waKKu | ty ;) |
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| 14:35.12 | nomad_cz | petemc: What do you mean ? ;) |
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| 14:35.42 | petemc | nomad_cz: the option to do raid like things with lvm is only available on aix, is how i understand it |
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| 14:36.15 | tralala | nomad_cz, I guess nobody knows |
| 14:36.34 | nomad_cz | petemc: man lvcreate says it should work in Debian ;) |
| 14:36.40 | krim | Why isn't rtorrent in testing? http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=rtorrent |
| 14:36.48 | nomad_cz | tralala: I see ;) |
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| 14:37.50 | krim | Oh according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rtorrent.html it is. Odd. |
| 14:38.16 | cheetahw26 | usb speakers ? |
| 14:39.04 | abrotman | krim: packages.debian.org/rtorrent says what ? |
| 14:40.33 | krim | abrotman: Yeah it's there. Must be something wrong with bjorn.haxx.se |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 14:40.59 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 14:41.12 | abrotman | eh .. whatever |
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| 14:42.06 | waKKu | !pre-removal |
| 14:42.30 | waKKu | now i'm getting problems with all use of aptitude/apt-get ;/ |
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| 14:45.08 | jlilly | having some issues getting my static ip to work. I have everything set up to what /should/ work... I'm just not able to ping the gateway. Any thoughts? |
| 14:45.40 | cheetahw26 | depending on the gateway it may have icmp turned off... so ping wouldnt work |
| 14:45.56 | cheetahw26 | i personally never use ping as an absolute test to make sure network is working or not |
| 14:46.04 | jlilly | cheetahw26: good point... |
| 14:46.27 | jlilly | confirmed from another computer that it IS pingable. |
| 14:46.33 | cheetahw26 | hmm |
| 14:46.35 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 14:46.35 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 14:46.52 | petemc | anyone who disables icmp is an idiot |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | petemc: but it makes me more secure!!!! |
| 14:47.19 | amphi | haha |
| 14:47.32 | jlilly | I've set up my interfaces file.. One second I'll paste it.. |
| 14:47.34 | tralala | abrotman, but not as secure as cutting the cables |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:47.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:47.42 | abrotman | tralala: just turn the damn machine off! |
| 14:47.46 | jlilly | (I meant in a pastebin) |
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| 14:50.28 | jlilly | http://rafb.net/p/gsjKys35.html |
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| 14:51.37 | jlilly | confirmed that those are the correct values for address and gateway (network admin doesn't support *nix) |
| 14:51.57 | abrotman | jlilly: it's a laptop ? |
| 14:52.01 | jlilly | no. |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | it's ubuntu ? |
| 14:52.11 | jlilly | etch. |
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| 14:52.45 | tralala | jlilly, do you have firewall rules? |
| 14:52.46 | abrotman | route -n ; ifconfig -a ; /etc/init.d/networking restart .. can you paste all that output ? |
| 14:53.09 | jlilly | it basically entails typing it b/c I can't paste from the machine (its console only with no working connection |
| 14:53.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | duh ... |
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| 14:53.35 | tralala | jlilly, and no usb ports? |
| 14:53.38 | abrotman | jlilly: no dhcp support ? |
| 14:53.55 | jlilly | abrotman: I can do dhcp, yea... |
| 14:53.58 | jlilly | tralala: its has usb. |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | so why not use dhcp instead of static ? |
| 14:54.20 | tralala | jlilly, use a memory stick to transfer the output |
| 14:54.24 | cryndes | jlilly: why u not doing dhcp then? and setting up static dhcp entrys in your router configuration? |
| 14:54.38 | jlilly | abrotman: its an in-house server and I need it for dns purposes. |
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| 14:54.43 | cryndes | jlilly: no route to host right? ;) |
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| 14:55.04 | cryndes | jlilly: route add default <yourgatewayip> |
| 14:55.06 | jlilly | cryndes: no. can't access the gateway :-/ |
| 14:55.14 | cryndes | jlilly: cant ping them? |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | jlilly: can you ping other hosts on your network ? |
| 14:55.21 | jlilly | I have: 166.108.42.0 0.0.0.0 for destination / gateway |
| 14:55.25 | abrotman | jlilly: or access via some other method ? |
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| 14:55.27 | jlilly | abrotman: can't seem to, no. |
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| 14:55.41 | tralala | an ip conflict? |
| 14:55.52 | jlilly | and for my 2nd entry in routes -n, I have 0.0.0.0 166.108.42.2 |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | jlilly: how old is the machine? what kind of NIC ? |
| 14:56.01 | jlilly | p3, onboard nic |
| 14:56.11 | jlilly | its a compaq proliant dl320 |
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| 14:56.21 | abrotman | jlilly: and you're sure that IP is free ? |
| 14:56.21 | cryndes | jlilly: why u not doing dhcp then? and setting up static dhcp entrys in your router configuration? |
| 14:56.29 | abrotman | cryndes: he just said |
| 14:56.35 | abrotman | !tell cryndes about u |
| 14:56.44 | grml | jlilly: howś's your lin check with mii-tool or ethtool |
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| 14:56.51 | grml | s/lin/link |
| 14:56.58 | jlilly | abrotman: almost positive. I can't reach it via ping and nmap doesn't return anything on it. |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | jlilly: lspci .. what is the NIC ? |
| 14:57.19 | jlilly | grml: worked fine last week (when I set up this same server) and nothing has changed and the cord hasn't been in a position to be damaged. |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | erm .. if you have lspci |
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| 14:57.51 | jlilly | abrotman: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [ethernet pro 100] rev 08 |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | jlilly: is the link light even on ? |
| 14:58.04 | Dewi | jlilly: switch back to dhcp... dump as much data as you can, switch to your static configuration and dump it again, diff the output? there has to be a significant difference somewhere |
| 14:58.19 | jlilly | abrotman: yep. |
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| 14:58.31 | jlilly | Dewi: good call, let me try that. |
| 14:58.56 | abrotman | jlilly: also note that you can use dynamic dns updates with dhcp .. if need be |
| 14:59.01 | abrotman | and your dns server allows |
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| 14:59.50 | jlilly | abrotman: thx, but networking guy here is a bit pita. |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | jlilly: hit him in the heacd? |
| 15:00.01 | abrotman | head |
| 15:00.02 | usuario | BRASILL |
| 15:00.04 | abrotman | !br |
| 15:00.05 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:01.25 | cryndes | abrotman: thank you for the tipp, next time i use only "you" not "u" |
| 15:01.28 | Dewi | how dare that bot accuse me of living in a canal |
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| 15:01.49 | abrotman | Dewi: i thought you were .au ? |
| 15:01.50 | cryndes | !de |
| 15:01.51 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 15:01.57 | jlilly | abrotman: I'd love to. I have to ssh tunnel b/c "IRC presents a threat to our infrastructure" while 70% of the computers in the building are windows 98 |
| 15:01.58 | Dewi | abrotman: I am |
| 15:02.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:02.16 | abrotman | jlilly: you want me to smack him? :) |
| 15:02.23 | jlilly | abrotman: <3! |
| 15:02.27 | kdub | installing lenny, the installer hangs while configuring ssl-cert. is there a fix? |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | kdub: bugs.debian.org/ssl-cert |
| 15:02.43 | abrotman | jlilly: does dhcp work ? |
| 15:02.55 | jlilly | abrotman, Dewi : I don't really see any significant differences between the two. |
| 15:02.57 | kdub | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:03.22 | jlilly | the only difference is my dhcp ip is *.*.43.* instead of *.*.42.*, which is expected. |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | jlilly: but does the network work? |
| 15:03.32 | jlilly | I'm pretty sure 42 is reserved for static only. |
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| 15:03.57 | chops | jlilly: As silly as using Win98 is, unrestricted IRC really is something of a danger (many backdoors use it as a control channel, people who use it sometimes invite DoS attacks, and legitimate uses of it like #debian are quite rare :-). |
| 15:04.11 | Dewi | jlilly: but you're using a 24 bit subnet; the gateway will not be visible on both |
| 15:04.34 | abrotman | unless the gateway has two IPs |
| 15:04.37 | jlilly | chops: fair enough. |
| 15:04.41 | abrotman | erm .. you know what i mean darn it |
| 15:04.46 | jlilly | abrotman: network works. |
| 15:05.02 | jlilly | (verified by pinging 166.108.43.2) |
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| 15:05.45 | abrotman | jlilly: i'd ask the network guy to verify your settings for static .. |
| 15:06.16 | jlilly | abrotman: alrighty. I can't even ping broadcast :-/ |
| 15:07.11 | abrotman | jlilly: do you have other static boxes that you can check? |
| 15:07.45 | kdub | these bug reports werent very helpful in working around the problem, is there a solution for the ssl-cert hang in the lenny installer? |
| 15:08.03 | cryndes | kdub: http://bugs.debian.org/ssl-cert |
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| 15:08.40 | amphi | kdub: I've seen many sufferers, but no solution as yet |
| 15:08.48 | jlilly | abrotman: checking. |
| 15:08.50 | abrotman | kdub: use the etch installer and upgrade ? |
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| 15:09.15 | kdub | abrotman: thats what it looks like ill have to do |
| 15:09.33 | abrotman | kdub: or use the lenny installer in expert mode perhaps |
| 15:10.02 | kdub | abrotman: how is that done? |
| 15:10.16 | abrotman | doesn't the installer tell you to hit F1 to get help ? |
| 15:10.30 | kdub | haha, fair enough |
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| 15:10.59 | psycodad_ | when formatting a 400GB Raid5 volume, what options are recommended re: blocksize and usage ? |
| 15:11.02 | jlilly | brb. going to try to grab the static with this computer and see what happens. |
| 15:11.21 | valdyn | psycodad_: defaults |
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| 15:11.56 | TravellingSalesM | hi, is there anyway to restrict a user's access to his own home directory only? |
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| 15:12.02 | valdyn | TravellingSalesM: not really |
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| 15:12.13 | psycodad_ | valdyn: so mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda is enough ? I realize this is somehow an eternal decision thats why i ask :) |
| 15:12.42 | ronr | TravellingSalesM: a chroot jail comes close but isn't 100% foolproof |
| 15:12.43 | valdyn | psycodad_: if you really want to use the disk instead of partitions, sure |
| 15:12.45 | abrotman | psycodad_: it also depends on the data stored on it |
| 15:13.00 | valdyn | TravellingSalesM: depends on what the user is supposed to be able to do |
| 15:13.17 | TravellingSalesM | valdyn: i have proftp running, and my problem is that the registered users can also ssh to my pc |
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| 15:13.37 | valdyn | TravellingSalesM: set their shell to /bin/false or similar |
| 15:13.38 | cryndes | TravellingSalesM: try pure-ftpd ;) |
| 15:13.45 | chops | psycodad_: You want -E stride=blah |
| 15:13.48 | TravellingSalesM | valdyn: then they can not login to ftp |
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| 15:13.58 | valdyn | TravellingSalesM: oh, cant they? |
| 15:14.00 | chops | psycodad_: Other than that the defaults should be fine |
| 15:14.11 | TravellingSalesM | valdyn: no, i tried it before :| |
| 15:14.18 | cryndes | TravellingSalesM: there u have a user management not base on system users |
| 15:14.22 | valdyn | TravellingSalesM: use an ftp server that supports its own user db |
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| 15:14.34 | cryndes | you ;) |
| 15:14.35 | psycodad_ | valdyn: the system itself runs of another raid array, this one is external and will be mounted at /srv |
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| 15:14.45 | valdyn | TravellingSalesM: you can probably set the shell to scponly too |
| 15:14.56 | valdyn | TravellingSalesM: permitting ssh access but only to copy files |
| 15:15.04 | psycodad_ | abrotman: its hard to predict what users will store there, but i want to be read to have a bunch of 1-100k files |
| 15:15.12 | chops | psycodad_: One stylistic thing: I keep a big RAID partition mounted under /srv, and have now come to believe that it should have been mounted under /mnt |
| 15:15.17 | TravellingSalesM | valdyn: i'll look for it, thank you |
| 15:15.25 | valdyn | !scponly |
| 15:15.29 | valdyn | !test |
| 15:15.29 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:15.40 | valdyn | !info scponly |
| 15:15.42 | cryndes | TravellingSalesM: as i said forgot that ftpd, use a ftpd with own user db, they ssh things arent secure ;) |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | what? |
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| 15:16.20 | psycodad_ | chops: thx for the tip, i haven't decided yet for /share or /srv, i came away from mounting things under /mnt |
| 15:16.20 | TravellingSalesM | cryndes: do you have any suggestion for another ftpd? |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | TravellingSalesM: try proftpd or vsftpd |
| 15:16.29 | cryndes | TravellingSalesM: try, pure-ftpd |
| 15:16.32 | psycodad_ | chops: what would you recommend as values for -E ? |
| 15:16.45 | TravellingSalesM | abrotman: i already have proftpd and i have this problem |
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| 15:17.03 | dpkg | scponly: (Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.6-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 15:17.27 | abrotman | TravellingSalesM: set their shell to /bin/false and their home to "/home/user/ ./" |
| 15:18.07 | TravellingSalesM | cryndes: thank you |
| 15:18.19 | cryndes | no problem |
| 15:18.21 | TravellingSalesM | abrotman: when i set the shell to /bin/false i can not login with ftp |
| 15:18.22 | abrotman | TravellingSalesM: i do what you're asking with proftpd now |
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| 15:18.31 | abrotman | TravellingSalesM: yes .. add /bin/false to /etc/shells |
| 15:18.55 | TravellingSalesM | abrotman: oops, let me check that, i thought it's already there :S |
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| 15:21.04 | TravellingSalesM | abrotman: thanks a bunch |
| 15:22.10 | abrotman | TravellingSalesM: all sorted out ? |
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| 15:23.18 | TravellingSalesM | abrotman: yep :) |
| 15:23.26 | cryndes | im not sure that, that method is secure, but for temp. users why not ;) |
| 15:23.47 | cryndes | maybe there are some other programs running deamons, using system users too ;) |
| 15:24.28 | TravellingSalesM | i'd forgot to edit /etc/shells |
| 15:24.57 | TravellingSalesM | cryndes: it's a little ftp server, safe enough for me ;) |
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| 15:26.45 | zeitsofas | hallo zusammen | hello @ all |
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| 15:31.18 | Danker | Hi |
| 15:32.00 | Danker | I have created partition and it has. I want to use space that is reserved for root user - how should I use that space? |
| 15:32.30 | petemc | tune2fs |
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| 15:34.09 | chops | psycodad_: Find out the stripe size of your RAID array, and use the stripe size divided by the filesystem block size (almost certainly 4k) |
| 15:34.20 | chops | psycodad_: Use that value in -E stride=value |
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| 15:36.58 | psycodad_ | chops: thx! |
| 15:38.10 | Danker | Is it ok to leave 5% for root user on 500GB disk? |
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| 15:38.49 | nakeee | for ~root? |
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| 15:38.53 | nakeee | that's a lot.. |
| 15:39.39 | jlilly | alright, so the issue was the ethernet cable I had wasn't configured to be on the 43.* octet. :-/ Thanks abrotman, Dewi, & others |
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| 15:40.54 | Danker | nakeee: I am creating a new fs. "6104832 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user" |
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| 15:41.44 | chops | psycodad_: np |
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| 15:42.54 | abrotman | whoops ... |
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| 15:43.29 | theatro- | Danker, -m 0 |
| 15:43.33 | nakeee | Danker, oh, yea it's on though usually people leave 10% but you don't have to |
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| 15:44.30 | nakeee | theatro-, it's useful sometimes.. it can help your system no crash if you mistakly filled the disk |
| 15:44.31 | theatro- | if the root needs disk space he can always rm -rf /home/kiddo |
| 15:44.41 | theatro- | heh ok |
| 15:44.55 | Danker | nakeee: theatro- "Reserving some number of filesystem blocks for use by privileged processes is done to avoid filesystem fragmentation, and to allow system daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the filesystem." -- How much would be enough? |
| 15:45.42 | Danker | For that "fragmentation" (yes, I know what it is) |
| 15:46.05 | nakeee | dan2, if it's not a server 5 gig should be enough if it is a server I suggest 20g (or even more depends on how busy it is) |
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| 15:46.55 | enouf | mmm .. chunky |
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| 15:48.21 | Danker | nakeee: I use that on my home server to store video, music, films and so on |
| 15:48.46 | vlt | Hello. Where can I see which encryption cipher is used for an ssh connection? What do I have to look for in `ssh -vv`'s output? |
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| 15:49.16 | realz` | Hey guys i just bought a new ;laptop core2duo, 2ghz, 2gb ram, nvidia 8600gt, iwl4965....I am getting random kernel panics...usually happens when i have p2p app running (only downloading) + system is idle for x time |
| 15:49.30 | realz` | how can i track whats at fault? |
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| 15:49.47 | valdyn | realz`: by reading the panic |
| 15:49.51 | wols | what does the kernel tell you when it panics? |
| 15:49.56 | valdyn | realz`: how to do that is documented |
| 15:50.00 | realz` | caplock blinks |
| 15:50.08 | amphi | realz`: ISTR problems with some nvidia driver and core2 duo |
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| 15:50.18 | nakeee | Danker, 5-10 gig will be enough |
| 15:50.29 | realz` | valdyn: where is it documented? |
| 15:50.36 | amphi | realz`: it might be worth upgrading your nasty nvidia blob |
| 15:50.43 | valdyn | realz`: on google |
| 15:50.51 | Danker | nakeee: Maybe you are familiar with aufs and unionfs? |
| 15:50.58 | realz` | amphi: i have the latest drivers from nvidia |
| 15:51.14 | valdyn | realz`: if the panic really is random then its a hardware issue |
| 15:51.23 | valdyn | realz`: but it probably is quite similar each time |
| 15:51.44 | realz` | valdyn: is there a spicifc link you can provide for panic? i havent been able to find one.. |
| 15:52.30 | nakeee | Danker, what do you want to ask about them?:) |
| 15:52.43 | realz` | valdyn: it happens randomly...but the situations are very similar...so sometimes it can run good for days...and not panic in one of those situations and sometimes it panics twice a day |
| 15:52.44 | enouf | wasn't dutchfish in here yesterday with a similar issue? or did that only concern using 'screen'? |
| 15:53.12 | wols | he said only screen |
| 15:53.20 | wols | and it was a etch libc6 issue or so he said |
| 15:53.26 | enouf | right |
| 15:53.38 | wols | and I really doubt his runs with a etch kernel |
| 15:53.52 | enouf | i'm not going to willy nilly suggest people just start upgrading their libc6 O_o |
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| 15:54.19 | wols | realz`: either you do what we said by producing info we can work with or you have to solve your problems alone |
| 15:54.22 | Danker | nakeee: Which is better? :) I am going to export that directory using nfs |
| 15:54.32 | enouf | wols: i recall 2.6.18-6 (vmsplice fix one) + Xen |
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| 15:54.46 | realz` | wols: what info should i provide? |
| 15:55.01 | nakeee | Danker, aufs seems less buggy but a bit harder to compile |
| 15:55.20 | wols | realz`: what the kernel panics about |
| 15:55.43 | wols | enouf: he said -5 onwards and tested with and without Xen |
| 15:55.50 | wols | on various CPU, like a celeron D |
| 15:56.01 | realz` | wols: do you need any specific log...or do you just want me explain what do i do that it happens? |
| 15:56.13 | wols | the kernel panic |
| 15:56.25 | wols | it prints stuff on creen. white letters on dark background |
| 15:56.30 | enouf | wols: right - but i thought he said it only recently started happening since the fixed vmsplice kernels |
| 15:56.48 | wols | hard to tell, he said a lot of stuff :) |
| 15:56.55 | enouf | hehe :-P |
| 15:57.01 | enouf | he did |
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| 15:57.25 | realz` | wols: cant give that...when it happens 100% of the time laptop monitor has already been turned off by power savings..and it doesnt turn on...only thing i can do is hard boot |
| 15:57.37 | enouf | (/me wonders if he ever filed a bug) |
| 15:57.55 | Danker | Can I tune2fs mounted partition? |
| 15:58.13 | enouf | realz`: how do you know it's a panic and not a lockup? |
| 15:58.14 | wols | Danker: very vrey unlikely. mount it ro, then maybe |
| 15:58.18 | enouf | or a segfault |
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| 15:58.43 | realz` | enouf: the caps lock blinks...so that gives me an impression that its a panic |
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| 15:59.05 | enouf | stop being so impressionable ;-) |
| 15:59.15 | amphi | ha |
| 15:59.26 | realz` | enouf: only if i can resolve this kernel panic ;) |
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| 15:59.46 | enouf | !sysrq |
| 15:59.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt |
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| 16:00.04 | jkl | Hi.. Im having a huge problem right now.. no access to anyone.. just root. |
| 16:00.10 | realz` | dpkg: doesnt work when my kernel panics |
| 16:00.22 | nakeee | enouf, you should add a warning about jfs there.. |
| 16:00.31 | jkl | how can i watch the privilegies por "/" ? |
| 16:00.42 | nakeee | realz`, I use it in panic times all the time |
| 16:00.56 | nakeee | jkl, ls -ld / |
| 16:00.59 | jkl | I mean.. I know how to made "good question".. but is a server and im lost. |
| 16:01.07 | enouf | latops can be tricky to set up those Keys correctly |
| 16:01.22 | enouf | since many times they use Fn for Alt |
| 16:01.28 | realz` | nakeee: somehow it doesnt do it for me...it works in other situation...here;s what i do alt+fn+pr screen(reisub) |
| 16:01.35 | wols | realz`: ls / |
| 16:01.37 | wols | realz`: ls -l / |
| 16:01.40 | jkl | nakeee, thank you so much! |
| 16:01.55 | realz` | wols: was that for me? |
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| 16:03.00 | realz` | so...no way to find out what's causing kernel panics...until you read the message on screen? |
| 16:03.50 | enouf | dude, until you got logs saying it's a panic, or you see it on the screen, please stop saying a "panic" |
| 16:04.24 | enouf | you also likely have some acpi, suspend2, powernow issue or something |
| 16:04.57 | realz` | enouf: do any of them leave caps lock blinking as they crash? |
| 16:05.31 | enouf | realz`: a) are you sure your sysrq is setup correctly and functioning? (ie; have you used it in other situations - tested even) |
| 16:05.56 | enouf | realz`: i don't know |
| 16:06.14 | realz` | enouf: yeah..it works...i have done ti several times...but it doesnt work when this 'panicky' situation happens |
| 16:06.40 | enouf | sounds like a hard lock to me - caps locks blinking aside |
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| 16:07.38 | realz` | i think its most probably something something messed up with wifi and nvidia...as it only happens when i have torrent downloading+ screen idle -> goes to monitor sleep |
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| 16:07.53 | enouf | do you enter suspend mode with eth or wifi up? try ifdown {ethX,wlanX} , modprobe -r <module>, then suspend |
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| 16:08.09 | SchwarzeKrause | .msg dpkg 3945 |
| 16:08.12 | realz` | if i dont run p2p app...i can stay up for weeks. |
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| 16:08.21 | enouf | it takes me so long sometimes to type |
| 16:08.27 | realz` | enouf: i dont suspend |
| 16:08.43 | enouf | standby then - acpi related |
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| 16:09.04 | enouf | (and/or video driver issue) |
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| 16:09.30 | enouf | never used them propreitary 3d ones |
| 16:09.46 | SchwarzeKrause | Damn. that dpkg bot here has the information I need about iwlwifi3945 and I can't get it |
| 16:09.54 | realz` | enouf: i already know its a wlan/video/acpi issue...what i need is to be more specific or directions for how to nail it down./ |
| 16:10.25 | enouf | hrm, i know many who shudder at the thought of "up for weeks on a craptop" :-P |
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| 16:10.44 | amphi | realz`: I use iwl4965 here with no problems |
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| 16:11.06 | realz` | amphi: do you use p2p? |
| 16:11.06 | enouf | realz`: i already gave you a suggestion to try - and that's without any more info from you |
| 16:11.12 | SchwarzeKrause | How do I see the bot's topic list? |
| 16:11.15 | zmotok | hello, was there any change those last 3-4 days or so that could influence the ability to mount a ntfs partition with ntfs-3g? |
| 16:11.22 | abrotman | !tell SchwarzeKrause about your factoids |
| 16:11.28 | amphi | realz`: it has no problems with load here, scp-ing large files between lan machines |
| 16:11.30 | abrotman | SchwarzeKrause: and /msg dpkg help |
| 16:11.36 | amphi | realz`: or with bittorrent |
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| 16:12.44 | realz` | amphi: yeah..I am lucky one..i havent seen anybody with a simliar issue... |
| 16:12.45 | realz` | enouf: sorry dude..i missed it..what suggestion did you give? |
| 16:13.02 | enouf | amphi: the ati7x00 gave up the ghost finally .. or? :-P |
| 16:13.23 | enouf | realz`: something about modprobing |
| 16:13.30 | tymonn | does anyone have a HD2400 ATI MOBILITY RADEON GRAPHIC CARD?? |
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| 16:13.40 | amphi | enouf: no, I still have it, but I have a nice little x61s now also ;) |
| 16:13.53 | enouf | amphi: ahh .. nice ;-) |
| 16:14.00 | realz` | enouf: modprobing iwl4965 before i suspend it? |
| 16:14.00 | wols | !tell tymonn about anyone |
| 16:14.05 | amphi | enouf: yeah, I'm very pleased with it |
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| 16:14.10 | wols | tymonn: and I asked you stuff before about it which you ignored |
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| 16:14.24 | enouf | realz`: -r it, after bringing down the iface |
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| 16:14.47 | realz` | enouf: i dont put my laptop to sleep ever.. |
| 16:14.50 | tymonn | wols: im sorry :x didnt understand |
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| 16:15.02 | amphi | enouf: and despite the carping about lenovo, the build quality seems very decent |
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| 16:15.25 | enouf | amphi: nice to know .. |
| 16:15.53 | enouf | realz`: i see - just screen goes into standby |
| 16:15.53 | wols | tymonn: read what dpkg told you |
| 16:15.58 | tymonn | yeah i know |
| 16:16.00 | tymonn | sorry |
| 16:16.10 | realz` | enouf: right |
| 16:16.15 | amphi | enouf: people bitch about the res, but IMHO 1024x768 is fine for a 12" panel |
| 16:16.21 | enouf | realz`: how's heat? and do you notice if it only occurs while ac adapter is in? |
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| 16:16.45 | enouf | amphi: f yeah - is that puppy lighteight? |
| 16:16.53 | tymonn | wols: i've already installed FGLRX lots of times, but still my fglrxinfo returns VESA, wtf? and i already changed it on xorg.conf |
| 16:17.03 | realz` | enouf: i hardly run it on batteries...but my heat never goes above 80C.....it is usually <50C |
| 16:17.05 | amphi | enouf: ~1.3kg with the 8-cell battery |
| 16:17.07 | SchwarzeKrause | What's the best way to get a logo at boottime just like in all those Fedora, Ubuntu and so on? |
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| 16:17.10 | wols | tymonn: dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 16:17.19 | enouf | amphi: nice .. thanks |
| 16:17.21 | realz` | enouf: i dont think heat's a cause |
| 16:17.53 | enouf | realz`: test with ac adapter and without - though i guess once the battery goes low, you'll need to plug it in :-P |
| 16:18.09 | enouf | buy a desktop O_o |
| 16:18.29 | tymonn | ii fglrx-amdcccle 8.455.2-1 Catalyst Control Center for the ATI graphics |
| 16:18.29 | tymonn | ii fglrx-driver 8.455.2-1 Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerato |
| 16:18.29 | tymonn | ii fglrx-driver-dev 8.455.2-1 Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerato |
| 16:18.29 | tymonn | ii fglrx-kernel-src 8.455.2-1 Kernel module source for the ATI graphics ac |
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| 16:18.32 | enouf | hardly any laptops are designed for constant use |
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| 16:18.40 | enouf | especially not non-military ones |
| 16:18.53 | tarzeau | enouf: ouf double no |
| 16:19.03 | tarzeau | enouf: so especially military ones? |
| 16:19.03 | Enverex | I had one that I ran for nearly 3 years solid, that was a reliable laptop |
| 16:19.05 | wols | !tell tarzeau about drxx |
| 16:19.11 | tymonn | wols: so its supposed that i have FGLRX installed :x |
| 16:19.15 | realz` | enouf: that would be difficult...because 90% of time my laptop is idle with me having no physicall access to it...i usually run it through ssh |
| 16:19.16 | enouf | tarzeau: well, just one area |
| 16:19.19 | wols | tell tymonn about drxx |
| 16:19.32 | tymonn | !tell tymonn about drxx |
| 16:19.37 | tarzeau | wols: but did you install popularity-contest already? |
| 16:19.38 | enouf | i didn't say it couldn't be done |
| 16:19.53 | wols | tarzeau: no |
| 16:20.06 | wols | U don't take part in contests about popularity. I lose to often |
| 16:20.09 | wols | *I don't |
| 16:20.11 | enouf | realz`: desktop makes a difference in that case? |
| 16:20.19 | amphi | enouf: stinkpads seem to be; mine have always been on all the time, sometimes running povray for days on end ;) |
| 16:20.42 | enouf | amphi: sure, well atleast ibms are/were made well :-P |
| 16:21.06 | amphi | enouf: I undervolted the T42, which probably helped |
| 16:21.18 | enouf | ya |
| 16:21.37 | realz` | enouf: probably doesnt...but i preferred a laptop...this laptop's sole purpose is as a media center...downloads stuff and plays it on tv...unfortunately i cannot have a wired connection for this one |
| 16:21.38 | amphi | enouf: I'll do it to this before I give it a serious povray beating |
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| 16:22.06 | enouf | mr echo <insert-exact-annoying-frequency-here> > /some/deep/hidden/sys/path/variable :-P |
| 16:22.30 | amphi | ;) |
| 16:23.33 | enouf | realz`: reall odd to me that you're using a laptop for a what a "headless server" is for :-) |
| 16:23.55 | amphi | enouf: this core2duo has only two freqs apart from the lowest, which intel prevents you from changing the voltage for |
| 16:24.02 | enouf | but sigh, i shall not stray |
| 16:24.14 | amphi | enouf: which is ok, it's at high freqs it makes a real difference |
| 16:24.24 | enouf | amphi: until you hack the BIOS you mean ;-) |
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| 16:24.54 | amphi | enouf: I'm not sure the bios has anything to do with it, it's the cpu design I believe |
| 16:25.00 | realz` | enouf: my HP laptop died...i wrote a letter to HP...got a Mac in between..HP responded...gave me a free replacement..dont have money to buy desktop...dont wanna sell HP laptop...short and simple |
| 16:25.02 | enouf | (or do some acpi dsdt table funk) |
| 16:25.20 | enouf | amphi: oh we be hacking :-P |
| 16:25.25 | amphi | got a mac... |
| 16:25.55 | realz` | yeah....mac runniong sid |
| 16:25.59 | enouf | realz`: no need for 'splaining, but it's nice that you did |
| 16:26.15 | realz` | :P |
| 16:26.24 | amphi | sid and a one button pointing device... |
| 16:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe 'splaining really saved you some typing, there... |
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| 16:27.11 | realz` | enouf: macbook actually...so it has 2 buttons |
| 16:27.22 | realz` | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
| 16:28.07 | amphi | realz`: apple do two-button pointing devices on laptops now?? kolossal! |
| 16:28.23 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 16:28.36 | dazjorz | I just got this e-mail from the Tiger auditing report on my Debian server |
| 16:28.39 | dazjorz | It contains these two lines: |
| 16:28.40 | dazjorz | --WARN-- [pass014w] Login (backup) is disabled, but has a valid shell. |
| 16:28.40 | dazjorz | --WARN-- [pass014w] Login (bin) is disabled, but has a valid shell. |
| 16:28.47 | dazjorz | Isn't it normal for backup and bin to have /bin/sh as a shell? |
| 16:28.57 | SchwarzeKrause | What's the best way to get a logo at boottime just like in all those Fedora, Ubuntu and so on? |
| 16:29.02 | dazjorz | I mean, it *should* be so that all scripts they run have a shebang line which defines the shell to use |
| 16:29.07 | dazjorz | but either way, isn't it a good idea to give them a shell? |
| 16:29.10 | realz` | amphi: as i mentioned earlier...this machine is just for sshing...so guess dont need that mouse anyway |
| 16:29.28 | amphi | realz`: uhuh - headless laptop ;) |
| 16:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dazjorz, yes, although I don't see why it should be needed for bin |
| 16:30.07 | realz` | amphi: well it does have a head...it just doesnt use it ;) |
| 16:30.14 | enouf | amphi: so, your lil' stinker has that nice little teet? :-P |
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| 16:30.33 | dazjorz | CutMeOwnThroat: what does the bin user really run? |
| 16:30.34 | enouf | amphi: can't miss those red gspots ;-) |
| 16:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dazjorz, and there should be many more disabled accounts with a valid shell - "nobody" as a prime example |
| 16:30.42 | dazjorz | nothing's running as bind here |
| 16:31.18 | amphi | enouf: of course ;) |
| 16:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dazjorz, nothing that I know of - that's why I don't see what it should be needed for with bin |
| 16:31.27 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 16:31.27 | dazjorz | okay :) |
| 16:31.27 | dpkg | i heard \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 16:31.36 | amphi | heh |
| 16:31.44 | dazjorz | I'll notice it when something's going wrong CutMeOwnThroat ;) |
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| 16:32.30 | albertz | hi |
| 16:32.35 | amphi | enouf: no trackpad though (which is good for me, I hate 'em) |
| 16:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dazjorz, binfalsing it? |
| 16:33.02 | dazjorz | CutMeOwnThroat: probably sbinnologin |
| 16:33.06 | dazjorz | but binfalse is fine too |
| 16:33.14 | enouf | amphi: saves on size and weight too i'm sure |
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| 16:33.24 | amphi | enouf: there's no room for it |
| 16:33.38 | albertz | can perhaps somebody review the debian package of beta4 of this game? http://openlierox.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:33.57 | enouf | right, besides, why would you ever want to take your hand off her .. er ;-) |
| 16:34.03 | albertz | i put it also on mentors: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-packages?action=details;package=openlierox |
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| 16:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dazjorz, he, of course nologin - but actually false is a nice idea - it sais "no" to the potential user and noone can read it :) |
| 16:34.31 | amphi | enouf: http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/images/full_reviews/lenovo/x61/keyboard.jpg |
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| 16:34.48 | enouf | amphi: i'd hope they'd think through making the chassis smaller if there's not going to be a trackpad :-P |
| 16:34.51 | havamal | Hi. I'm running Lenny + 2.6.24 Kernel from sid on a Thinkpad T61. I cannot suspend via Gnome (System->Shutdown->suspend, laptop lid). However, I am able to suspend by running 'echo "mem" >> /sys/power/state' or 's2ram -a -f 3' or (after specifying s2ram's arguments) 'pm-suspend'. Why do the gnome methods fail? Which program/script is invoked, when I try to suspend from gnome? Any help is apreciated |
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| 16:35.14 | enouf | amphi: right - trackpoint is what that is? |
| 16:35.30 | amphi | enouf: yeah, that's what they call it |
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| 16:35.35 | albertz | debian sources are here: http://openlierox.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openlierox/debian/ |
| 16:35.41 | fbn | is there a backup of /bin somewhere? |
| 16:36.18 | prickwaver | Is SSH port forwarding automatically open to other hosts on my network? How can I change this behaviour? My box does not use any firewall. |
| 16:36.24 | chops | havamal: It's probably worth reporting a bug about that (against gnome if you can't track it down any further; they'll be able to route it to the appropriate place with knowledge of how gnome does its suspending and whatnot) |
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| 16:37.35 | amphi | enouf: what's nice is you can set it so button2-drag up/down emulates buttons 4 & 5, button2-drag left/right emulates 6 & 7 |
| 16:38.16 | realz` | arrrrrrrrrrgh...that box got panic'ed again!!!! |
| 16:38.57 | havamal | chops: Okay, I guess there is always a first time (in my case: reporting a bug...) thanks |
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| 16:39.16 | chops | !tell havamal about bts |
| 16:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | prickwaver, what's "automatically open" |
| 16:39.59 | ronr | fbn: what do you mean by backup of /bin (debian won't make a backup unless you tell it to, but /bin is filled with stuff coming only from packages so reinstalling the packages should restore your /bin, however you will need the stuff in /bin is reinstall) |
| 16:40.01 | amphi | enouf: they keyboard would really suffer if the chassis got any smaller IMHO |
| 16:41.05 | havamal | chops: google is my friend. 'bug tracking system'... |
| 16:41.11 | chops | havamal: Heh |
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| 16:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | prickwaver, and is "SSH port forwarding" what I think you mean with it? If yes - how can that be a question |
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| 16:42.30 | lkthomas2 | hey guys |
| 16:42.30 | lkthomas2 | does ext3 work the best with lvm2 ? |
| 16:42.56 | chops | lkthomas2: It works about as well as any other filesystem; lvm2 only deals with things at the block-device level and doesn't have a lot to do with which FS you use |
| 16:43.09 | Enverex | Is ext4 still in the state it was in about 2 years ago? i.e. "Dev only"? |
| 16:43.17 | chops | lkthomas2: That said, I'd recommend you use ext3 unless you have a specific reason for using a different FS |
| 16:43.34 | enouf | amphi: very nice ;-) |
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| 16:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | havamal, do you have gnome-power-manager installed, btw? |
| 16:46.44 | lkthomas2 | I heard ext3 does not run good on multicore system |
| 16:46.57 | chops | lkthomas2: That's not correct |
| 16:47.03 | CharminTheMoose | lkthomas2, it runs fine on my system |
| 16:47.11 | lkthomas2 | hmmm |
| 16:47.31 | lkthomas2 | hey, one question |
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| 16:47.40 | lkthomas2 | how does lvm2 allocate data ? |
| 16:47.45 | Enverex | If you want to close an app from the console but not kill it, what command would you use? |
| 16:47.56 | prickwaver | I am trying to allow other computers in the local network to connect through mine to a service on a remote machine running SSH. I do "ssh remote-machine.org -L 5900:localhost:5900". That works fine. When I add the -g option to allow other hosts to connect through me, I get "bind: address already in use". If I try again without -g, it works, though only locally. Help? |
| 16:47.58 | havamal | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I do |
| 16:48.08 | lkthomas2 | because I got two 500GB harddisk running on top of lvm |
| 16:48.08 | chops | lkthomas2: There are probably whitepapers and such you can read if you're interested in that level of detail about lvm |
| 16:48.28 | lkthomas2 | nono, I am worry once a harddisk is dead, does the filesystem crash as well |
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| 16:49.25 | chops | lkthomas2: You can use LVM atop RAID-1, in which case you'll be protected from a disk failure. If you're storing data non-redundantly across those two disks, though, and one fails, your filesystem will be unrecoverable. |
| 16:50.12 | enouf | Enverex: iyou want job control related info? http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement ctrl-z, bg, fg, jobs, etc |
| 16:50.19 | lkthomas2 | hmm |
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| 16:51.21 | Enverex | enouf, That doesn't contain what I need. The app was started outside of a console, but I need to use the console to safely close it (but not kill it) |
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| 16:51.56 | enouf | Enverex: i don't know what you mean close it |
| 16:52.16 | amphi | Enverex: sending it a sigterm perhaps |
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| 16:52.38 | enouf | safely kill using -15 |
| 16:52.41 | enouf | iinm |
| 16:53.00 | Enverex | amphi, Yes, what syntax for a safe close? (i.e. just telling the app to close as if selecting File > Close or somesuch) |
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| 16:53.34 | enouf | Enverex: i think perhaps you mistake "kill" always means kill -9 |
| 16:53.40 | amphi | Enverex: sigterm will let the program close file descriptors and so on, I believe |
| 16:53.49 | enouf | man 7 signal |
| 16:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Enverex, only file-> close does that:) |
| 16:53.57 | prickwaver | Argh! No matter which port I try to forward, I get "bind: address already in use" when I add the -g option to ssh |
| 16:54.20 | wols | imif the port is already in use it's in use |
| 16:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | prickwaver, are the ports you use <1024 by any chance? |
| 16:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... -g?! |
| 16:54.48 | Enverex | Let me give you a theoretical situation. Say I have Abiword open, I need to find what close command would still come up with the "Changes since opening, save file?" etc rather than the app just closing. |
| 16:54.50 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: wouldn't he get permission denied then? |
| 16:55.02 | Enverex | amphi, So just "sigterm pid"? |
| 16:55.05 | enouf | pidof abiword |
| 16:55.14 | enouf | kill -15 abiword |
| 16:55.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, I wonder.... perhaps not, if some intrusion system is listening on all of them |
| 16:55.59 | chops | Enverex: Often sending a SIGTERM to a GUI app like that will not pop up that dialog. You'll have to go to a higher level to do that (e.g. send it a WM close event)... in general I don't know if there's a good way to do it without using the mouse. |
| 16:56.13 | Enverex | chops, Ah... damn |
| 16:56.20 | enouf | I have no friggin clue what "I need to find what close command would still come up with the "Changes since opening, save file?"" means |
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| 16:56.29 | amphi | Enverex: or perhaps some dbus daemonology |
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| 16:56.50 | opensrcguru | what package does the command 'arp' reside in? |
| 16:56.59 | chops | !tell opensrcguru about search |
| 16:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | prickwaver, what is the command you use? |
| 16:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny someone with this nick would ask that |
| 16:57.32 | enouf | you could try some xkill options, as well as xwininfo |
| 16:57.54 | chops | enouf: He's looking for a scriptable way to close a GUI app in a way that still lets it do its on-window-close events |
| 16:58.04 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
| 16:58.12 | opensrcguru | funny strange or funny haha ;) |
| 16:58.17 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: portsentry will fuck it up yes? |
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| 16:58.22 | amphi | chops: sounds like dbussery |
| 16:58.39 | chops | amphi: Honestly I have no idea how to go about it myself |
| 16:58.49 | enouf | chops: i always said and to this day say, GUI apps without corresponding CLI events is just junk |
| 16:58.58 | amphi | chops: nor me, dbus is a dark mystery to me |
| 16:59.20 | enouf | Enverex: kde allows for a lot of that control through kdcop and the dcopserver |
| 16:59.23 | Enverex | enouf, chops : Basically an app is still running, but its window has... "gone" so the only way I can think of salvaging the opened files is to send it a friendly close so that it'll pop up with the "Save before close?" dialog to save the files and reopen |
| 16:59.28 | chops | enouf: Really the problem is that the engineers who added GUI (and networking for that matter) to Unix didn't adhere closely enough to the "everything is a file" philosophy |
| 16:59.35 | chops | enouf: See also Plan 9 |
| 16:59.39 | amphi | enouf: gui progs should expose their config and command set via a virtual fs like plan9 ;) |
| 16:59.43 | enouf | chops: *nix ?? |
| 16:59.48 | amphi | chops: heh |
| 16:59.53 | enouf | chops: i think they all suck in that way |
| 16:59.56 | opensrcguru | i asked because the output of apt-cache search didn't narrow down the possibilities very well. needlessto day , at time the debian package names are not as unambiguous and one might like. |
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| 17:00.08 | expose | amphi: dcop? |
| 17:00.10 | enouf | (well - most) |
| 17:00.24 | Enverex | chops, Does that make more sense now/ |
| 17:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, yes... maybe (at least that was the direction I was thinking in, haven't used it for a long time, though) |
| 17:00.33 | chops | enouf: Oh, Unix is the only successful OS architecture that does _anything_ with the everything-is-a-file philosophy... there are just a few pieces missing. |
| 17:00.34 | amphi | expose: that's qt's thing? ISTR qt was switching to dbus also |
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| 17:00.41 | beardy | !apt-file |
| 17:00.41 | dpkg | i heard apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 17:00.49 | enouf | amphi: yeah, don't confuse dcop with dbus ;-) though .. oh nm :-P |
| 17:00.51 | beardy | !+find bin/arp etch |
| 17:00.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:01.01 | chops | Enverex: I'm not sure how, sorry. Does the app have autosave by any chance? |
| 17:01.19 | chops | Enverex: Also, which app? Is it possibly minimized somewhere or on another virtual desktop? |
| 17:01.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/arp' (8 of 10): (/usr/sbin/arpd) in net/iproute ;; (/usr/sbin/arping) in net/arping ;; (/usr/sbin/arp) in net/net-tools ;; (/sbin/arptables) in net/arptables ;; (/usr/sbin/arpsend) in admin/vzctl ;; (/usr/sbin/arpspoof) in net/dsniff ;; (/usr/sbin/arpalert) in net/arpalert ;; (/usr/bin/arping) in net/iputils-arping. |
| 17:01.37 | opensrcguru | ahhh |
| 17:01.41 | opensrcguru | thank you kindly. |
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| 17:02.02 | Enverex | chops, FruitLoops through Wine |
| 17:02.03 | dwon | Does anyone know if sysvinit behaves differently if you specify runlevel "1" on the linux command line vs. if you specify "single"? |
| 17:02.12 | chops | Enverex: :-( |
| 17:02.14 | Enverex | chops, The guy has checked any place it could be hiding |
| 17:02.16 | chops | Enverex: Not sure, sorry |
| 17:02.30 | beardy | dwon: Not afaik. |
| 17:02.38 | enouf | Enverex: not even close to a direct answer, but have a look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxKDE.html |
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| 17:03.52 | Enverex | enouf, I think he's broken it now anyway, lol, ah well, thanks for trying |
| 17:04.07 | amphi | heh |
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| 17:05.26 | enouf | i personally am still looking for what command to send to kde/kwin's power management to apply this in succession (for my LCD's Monitor's standby mode); Untick the Standy Mode, clikc Apply, ReTick Standby mode, click Apply, Exit Dialog |
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| 17:06.00 | amphi | enouf: why not just use xset? or does the DE override that? |
| 17:06.08 | enouf | (since everytime i run mplayer, it disables the standy functioning and the LCD never sleeps afterwards) |
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| 17:06.35 | enouf | amphi: hrm - i'll look - but yeah, it;s kcontrol center crap |
| 17:06.45 | amphi | 'krap' |
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| 17:07.01 | ticket_ | does anyone know the windows equivalent of the linux $@? |
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| 17:07.17 | iwkse | hi all, installing a distro on 1GB usb, it's anyway reccomanded to create a swap partition? |
| 17:07.18 | enouf | amphi: it takes like 20 clicks and 20 minutes to get to/at the dialog box i need too |
| 17:07.38 | enouf | i mean, you want to talk buried? hehe |
| 17:07.51 | amphi | heh |
| 17:08.00 | Justin | enouf: xset s ... will probably fix that |
| 17:08.05 | Justin | enouf: or xset dpms |
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| 17:08.26 | enouf | i might just dig a hole in yard and take myself up on my own offer :-P |
| 17:08.44 | enouf | Justin: thank you - i'll mess with that |
| 17:08.51 | amphi | enouf: for example, I do 'xset dpms force standby' here to blank the panel and turn off the back light |
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| 17:08.52 | enouf | amphi: thanks |
| 17:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you need 20 minutes for 20 clicks?! |
| 17:09.14 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: no, KDE takes 20 minutes to open |
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| 17:09.24 | amphi | perhaps he has a large and unwieldy home made wooden mouse ;) |
| 17:09.24 | enouf | i can speed click ;-) |
| 17:09.34 | enouf | haha |
| 17:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you click and it takes 20 minutes to open? |
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| 17:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's fast |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | !tell enouf about dpms |
| 17:10.03 | enouf | dude, ever fire up anything kde? |
| 17:10.11 | amphi | enouf: of course not ;) |
| 17:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, no, that would be daft ;) |
| 17:10.33 | enouf | bingo |
| 17:10.41 | ticket_ | abrotman, whats the windows equivalent of the linux $@? :) |
| 17:10.43 | enouf | abrotman: thank you |
| 17:10.57 | abrotman | ticket_: ##windows |
| 17:11.07 | CharminTheMoose | why not just switch to something else? |
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| 17:11.24 | amphi | he needs his krack |
| 17:11.30 | enouf | it works perfectly, until i launch an mplayer session, finish, blah .. |
| 17:12.09 | amphi | enouf: you can't tell mplayer not to fiddle with its parts? |
| 17:12.15 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: tabbed GUI irc, and tabbed xterms mostly, oh and 1000 last clipboard items :-) |
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| 17:12.38 | enouf | amphi: nope, i even straced it - couldn't find the culprit |
| 17:13.16 | enouf | amphi: i even went back to etch debian versions - i guess i should compile my own from svn and try too |
| 17:13.28 | enouf | er maybe even sarge at one point |
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| 17:14.30 | amphi | enouf: perhaps kde does it when it sees something using xv or summat |
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| 17:14.36 | enouf | amphi: yah |
| 17:18.10 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.32 | fbn | hi, I've deleted /dev in an accident. is there a way to restore it? |
| 17:21.39 | mutante | hi, on a system with amd64 kernel, i want to add an unofficial repository to sources.list, but on "apt-get update" i get this problem " Unable to find expected entry efl/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file". When checking the repository i see that it only offers a "/binary-i386" tree, but i didnt say anything about using amd64 in sources.list. Is that cause apt checks my kernel version by itself? How can i make it not expect the amd64 and then fail, bu |
| 17:22.08 | enouf | fbn: yea, udevcontrol reload_rules, udevtrigger --verbose |
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| 17:25.03 | fbn | enouf: udevcontrol reload_rules did nothing, and udevtrigger --verbose showed some output - but /dev is still empty |
| 17:25.08 | fbn | enouf: did i miss something? |
| 17:25.43 | enouf | fbn: something is wrong then, or broken, how the heck .. oh, you're the missing /bin person |
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| 17:26.07 | fbn | enouf: what do you mean /bin person? |
| 17:26.12 | enouf | fbn: touch /dev ? |
| 17:26.27 | mutante | fbn: 18:25 <+APz> makedev recreates it |
| 17:26.32 | fbn | /dev/null is there for example |
| 17:26.38 | fbn | but /dev/random is missing - no more ssh logins |
| 17:26.39 | enouf | fbn: you asked about restoring or backing up /bin (above) ^ no?? |
| 17:27.01 | fbn | enouf: ah I found a backup of bin. but now i'm at /dev ... I can not log in with ssh if /dev/random is missing |
| 17:27.21 | enouf | see what mutante wrote |
| 17:27.23 | mutante | fbn: 18:26 <+APz> in debian /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 17:27.39 | mutante | say thanks to #debian Efnet ;) |
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| 17:28.00 | fbn | udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 17:28.07 | fbn | does makedev not work well with udev? |
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| 17:28.39 | valdyn | fbn: umm? |
| 17:28.50 | mutante | fbn: i have no idea, just human relay bot :p |
| 17:28.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.01 | valdyn | fbn: it does what it announced "udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/" |
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| 17:29.31 | valdyn | fbn: which device node(s) are you creating? |
| 17:30.06 | enouf | valdyn: " .... I can not log in with ssh if /dev/random is missing" |
| 17:30.12 | fbn | valdyn: I need all, I removed /dev by accident |
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| 17:30.34 | fbn | I symlinked /dev/.static/random to /dev/random |
| 17:30.40 | enouf | haha |
| 17:30.45 | valdyn | fbn: silly |
| 17:30.47 | enouf | don't do that :-P |
| 17:31.03 | fbn | yeah I know |
| 17:31.09 | valdyn | fbn: the only real files you could have removed is contents of /dev/.static |
| 17:31.11 | enouf | and you meant /dev/.static/dev/random |
| 17:31.15 | fbn | I'm sitting heare, sweating my heart out ... I'll sure never do that again |
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| 17:31.33 | valdyn | fbn: the other stuff in /dev/ can be recreated by /etc/init.d/udev stop && /etc/init.d/udev start |
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| 17:32.31 | fbn | what is ls -l /dev/null at your system? I now get a dev/null: Permission denied |
| 17:33.01 | valdyn | fbn: ls -ld /dev |
| 17:33.03 | enouf | perhaps yes, that too - i should've said .. the reload_rules is useful for doing such after making edits to .rules files, without having to constantly stop/start the daemon |
| 17:33.16 | valdyn | drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 13620 2008-02-25 18:23 /dev |
| 17:33.16 | mutante | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-02-08 20:17 /dev/null |
| 17:33.24 | fbn | thanks |
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| 17:34.03 | fbn | PUH ... I must thank you very much ... restarting udev did the trick, I can log in with ssh - thanks very very much |
| 17:34.21 | drwahl | can i use lsof to search for apps running on a specific tcp port? |
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| 17:34.53 | Supaplex | drwahl: afaik yes, check the man page |
| 17:35.00 | SlayerXP | drwahl: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 17:35.23 | enouf | drwahl: i use lsof | egrep 'ESTAB|LIST' generically |
| 17:35.44 | drwahl | i have been trying 'lsof -p 80' but that doesnt seem to work |
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| 17:35.58 | mutante | netstat -p shows the pid, too |
| 17:36.05 | drwahl | ah, that would work |
| 17:36.06 | drwahl | thanks |
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| 17:36.10 | Supaplex | lsof can look for it explicitly |
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| 17:36.24 | fbn | is it possible, that a virtual server running on user mode linux has no kernel? |
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| 17:37.06 | Supaplex | lsof -i ... |
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| 17:37.59 | enouf | $ lsof -i -p80 |
| 17:38.01 | Supaplex | fbn: after the kernel has loaded, it doesn't have to be accessible any more. |
| 17:38.03 | sucks_at_debian_ | everytime i login...i get this message about file .dmrc's wrong permission... i have even deleted the file but the warning still appears |
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| 17:38.26 | drwahl | enouf: thanks |
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| 17:38.46 | enouf | thank Supaplex and others ;-) |
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| 17:39.10 | enouf | welcome |
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| 17:40.04 | fbn | Supaplex: so there is no /vmlinuz? |
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| 17:40.27 | Supaplex | fbn: it doesn't have to be on disk if it's in memory. obviously it's running, so it's in memory. |
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| 17:40.44 | sucks_at_debian_ | says $HOME/.dmrc has to have 644 permissions...i did chmod 644 ~/.dmrc..it didnt work...then i did rm ~/.dmrc but that didnt work either |
| 17:40.56 | enouf | sucks_at_debian_: add it back |
| 17:41.00 | Kangaroo | Hello all! I'm going to have a presentation about Linux here at my school (15 min). I'm almost done with it but I'm looking for more viewpoints and thought that I'll ask you Debian guys why you're using Linux. |
| 17:41.09 | fbn | Supaplex: the question I have now is what will happen if I reboot? |
| 17:41.12 | enouf | and populate it |
| 17:41.19 | sucks_at_debian_ | even tried chown user:group |
| 17:41.32 | enouf | sucks_at_debian_: reinstall your DM .. is it kdm? |
| 17:41.40 | Supaplex | fbn: that all depends on how your boot process works. *shrug* who set it up? |
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| 17:42.02 | sucks_at_debian_ | enouf: i installed fedora...and share the same home drive....its gdm |
| 17:42.03 | enouf | sucks_at_debian_: dpkg-reconfigure kdm (after reinstalling) |
| 17:42.14 | Supaplex | Kangaroo: ok. |
| 17:42.15 | enouf | ok, whatever it is |
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| 17:42.35 | sucks_at_debian_ | enouf: that was easy! never thought of that |
| 17:42.44 | fbn | Supaplex: the host provider set it up - I'm just an user of it. ... but is it technically possible to boot a system on user mode linux without having a kernel in the vm ? |
| 17:43.14 | Kangaroo | Supaplex: So do you want to tell me about it? ;) |
| 17:43.18 | Supaplex | fbn: you should ask them about their setup |
| 17:43.43 | enouf | Kangaroo: i don't like secrets |
| 17:43.44 | Supaplex | Kangaroo: linux is great. the end. |
| 17:44.10 | enouf | think about that - and expand on it |
| 17:44.11 | Supaplex | maybe you have a specific question. you might get a more specific answer. :P |
| 17:44.15 | fbn | Supaplex: I did so but they don't respond at this time |
| 17:44.17 | sucks_at_debian_ | Kangaroo: because linux doesnt force me to keep upgrading my hardware |
| 17:44.48 | sucks_at_debian_ | Kangaroo: because it doesnt eat my harddrive and swallow my RAM completely so nothing else would work... |
| 17:45.18 | sucks_at_debian_ | Kangaroo: because i know i am getting the best...unlike vista...the more you pay the more you get |
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| 17:46.43 | sucks_at_debian_ | stupid fedora...doesnt add /sbin/ to $PATH..... |
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| 17:47.30 | cloakable | haha |
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| 17:52.27 | n3kl_ | How can I get java+flash+iceweasel on amd64? |
| 17:52.47 | sucks_at_debian_ | gnome should atleast get a good IM application |
| 17:53.17 | sucks_at_debian_ | pidgin's protocols are so outdated...and they keep delaying implementations. |
| 17:53.31 | Supaplex | jabber ftw |
| 17:54.00 | Supaplex | dpkg: tell n3kl_ -about search |
| 17:54.04 | sucks_at_debian_ | Supaplex: +1 |
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| 17:55.59 | sucks_at_debian_ | microsoft is superdetermined to kill yahoo :0 |
| 17:57.12 | Supaplex | s/yahoo/most anything/ |
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| 17:57.48 | Supaplex | too bad sco was too stupid to know their own facts from the start. |
| 17:58.16 | sucks_at_debian_ | lol |
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| 17:58.28 | esaym | whats a good vnc program for doing a remote kde session? |
| 17:58.37 | piju | esaym; tighvnc |
| 17:58.49 | sucks_at_debian_ | BTW...does anybody knows anything like top for windows ? |
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| 17:59.16 | esaym | TY |
| 17:59.45 | SlayerXP | sucks_at_debian_: "process explorer" |
| 18:00.02 | mutante | sucks_at_debian_: Start -> Execute "wmic", in wmic, "PROCESS" |
| 18:00.09 | embkas | am not able to get my pci-firewirecard working - etch 2.6.18-6 |
| 18:00.42 | enouf | esaym: i wonder if kde has it's own kioslaves for that |
| 18:00.55 | Supaplex | embkas: working in what way? external disk? networking? video? |
| 18:01.07 | sucks_at_debian_ | SlayerXP: cool...thanks..MS kept is quite a secret |
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| 18:01.39 | embkas | Supaplex: video |
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| 18:01.40 | esaym | enouf: maybe, not sure |
| 18:01.54 | enouf | embkas: rgrep /dev/raw /etc/udev/ |
| 18:02.04 | enouf | pastebin output |
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| 18:02.50 | NetEcho | what package would give me the use of killall? |
| 18:02.57 | enouf | esaym: apt-cache search vnc | grep k ? http://en.opensuse.org/Konqueror_Tips_and_Tricks |
| 18:02.58 | embkas | enouf: no output |
| 18:03.01 | chops | !tell NetEcho about search |
| 18:03.02 | Supaplex | !tell NetEcho -about apt-file |
| 18:03.33 | enouf | embkas: sorry; rgrep raw /etc/udev/ |
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| 18:03.45 | NetEcho | I tried apt-cache search killall chops |
| 18:03.54 | chops | NetEcho: So try apt-file |
| 18:03.55 | Supaplex | NetEcho: apt-file search bin/killall |
| 18:04.46 | enouf | esaym: heh, fortunately "network" has a k :-P |
| 18:04.47 | esaym | enouf: hmm interesting |
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| 18:05.25 | NetEcho | Supaplex no output nothing |
| 18:05.32 | NetEcho | jordan@andromeda:~$ sudo apt-file search bin/killall |
| 18:05.32 | NetEcho | jordan@andromeda:~$ |
| 18:05.48 | embkas | enouf: tell me about pastebin |
| 18:05.50 | Supaplex | did you apt-file update? |
| 18:06.03 | enouf | NetEcho: you have to update it - read that factoid dpkg told you |
| 18:06.45 | enouf | NetEcho: also install dlocate ;-) (for later, handy) |
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| 18:07.01 | NetEcho | any difference from slocate and locate? |
| 18:07.24 | enouf | no idea what slocate does, maybe secure locate? suse? |
| 18:07.27 | embkas | !tell me about pastebin |
| 18:07.37 | enouf | embkas: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
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| 18:07.56 | candyban0 | Hi guys |
| 18:08.10 | candyban0 | Where can I find "asound.conf" or similar in Debian? |
| 18:08.10 | enouf | NetEcho: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 18:08.22 | enouf | candyban0: man asound.conf |
| 18:08.46 | candyban0 | enouf, No manual entry for asound.conf |
| 18:08.57 | enouf | candyban0: sorry |
| 18:09.00 | enouf | candyban0: man asoundconf |
| 18:09.10 | enouf | candyban0: it's in alsa-utils |
| 18:09.32 | enouf | candyban0: debian also has and uses alsaconf, so read about that too |
| 18:10.00 | candyban0 | No manual entry for alsaconf |
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| 18:10.11 | candyban0 | and nothing returned with apt-cache |
| 18:10.25 | enouf | candyban0: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:10.39 | enouf | use apt-file for not yet installed pkgs |
| 18:11.20 | candyban0 | enouf, asoundconf is per user ... I want a system wide configuration ... |
| 18:11.26 | enouf | hint <same pkg as asoundconf> |
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| 18:13.04 | zightx | how do i move a whole folder via ncftp? a wildcard works to move all files inside a folder but not all the directories |
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| 18:13.08 | candyban0 | enouf, dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep etc ... doesn't give me anything useful ... but I'll read through the alsaconf man first. Thanks |
| 18:13.25 | aarcane | is there a debian repository for rtorrent with xmlrpc-c support ? |
| 18:13.27 | valdyn | candyban0: per user is the same syntax as per system |
| 18:13.31 | embkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.42 | valdyn | candyban0: only the location and name of the config file is different |
| 18:13.50 | embkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.32 | candyban0 | valdyn, I'm looking where is the location for Debian ... (can't seem to find it referenced in the init scripts) |
| 18:14.45 | enouf | embkas: try that with no leading spaces ...in your irc client |
| 18:14.50 | valdyn | candyban0: those files arent used by init scripts |
| 18:15.12 | enouf | embkas: "/msg dpkg pastebin" is correct, with no quotes |
| 18:15.22 | valdyn | candyban0: ~/.asoundrc for users /etc/asound.conf for system |
| 18:15.24 | candyban0 | valdyn, off course ... stupid of me |
| 18:15.52 | candyban0 | valdyn, thanks. a lot |
| 18:17.33 | embkas | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/917803 |
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| 18:18.15 | weracher | #Debian |
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| 18:18.52 | weracher | Hello? |
| 18:18.55 | enouf | valdyn: how would i or another go about finding that out (system) , i mean i can guess also /etc/asoundrc and variants, and dlocate, etc isn't returning anything for "asound.conf" as candyban0 noted, do you know what/where to read about it? |
| 18:19.20 | weracher | is there anyone who can help me with xorg |
| 18:19.22 | weracher | ?? |
| 18:19.30 | weracher | dont run away |
| 18:19.41 | dkr | !ask |
| 18:19.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:19.48 | valdyn | enouf: strace -eopen aplay /path/to/sound |
| 18:19.56 | enouf | valdyn: hah! |
| 18:20.40 | valdyn | enouf: goes to /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf /etc/asound.conf in that order, doesnt even look for ~/.asoundrc since asound.conf exists |
| 18:20.43 | weracher | What is that Int10 Xorg-module good for? |
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| 18:20.49 | enouf | embkas: yeah, looks good - so more about yur issue |
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| 18:20.57 | weracher | dkr? |
| 18:21.20 | enouf | embkas: i mean are the modules loaded? what's lspci say about the device? what video? |
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| 18:21.31 | n0mad | nvclock familiar FOR ANYONE ? |
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| 18:21.40 | enouf | valdyn: ahhh |
| 18:21.45 | embkas | enouf: don't know what modules to load |
| 18:21.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.01 | knoxy | Hi all.. The MailScanner package is buged? I'm using Debian Lenny] |
| 18:22.08 | mogra | can someone peruse this http://paste.plone.org/19720 (sources.list file) and are there any "gaping" errors? Friend is having a problem using apt-get |
| 18:22.15 | enouf | embkas: not sure, but /sbin/modprobe -l | grep 1394 |
| 18:22.18 | weracher | Hello there got a clue? |
| 18:22.19 | n0mad | nvclock familiar with anyone* ? |
| 18:22.20 | mogra | '0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (1.0.0.0)]' |
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| 18:22.40 | valdyn | mogra: thats his resolver, not apt-get or his sources.list |
| 18:23.16 | mogra | ok, will check that. |
| 18:23.21 | enouf | i guess you should cvheck with lsmod embkas and look for ohci1394, ieee1394, raw1394, |
| 18:23.26 | enouf | embkas: ^^^^^^^ |
| 18:23.33 | enouf | oh, duh |
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| 18:23.51 | RaymondX | does debiam have any alternative to the x window system? |
| 18:24.04 | valdyn | RaymondX: no |
| 18:24.13 | benjamindees | RaymondX, many programs will use a framebuffer instead |
| 18:24.32 | maligor | there's the directfb stuff |
| 18:24.39 | embkas | I'll come back to you - have to take care of my children |
| 18:24.42 | weracher | Int10 module?? What is it good for?? |
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| 18:26.49 | jelly | weracher: it's good for asking the card about its video modes. Which Debian release are you running? |
| 18:27.25 | weracher | 4.0 (a Kanotix) |
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| 18:27.49 | jelly | weracher: you'll be better served in #kanotix, I don't want to break your non-Debian machine |
| 18:27.58 | jelly | !tell weracher -about based on debian |
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| 18:30.39 | keko_ | how i can delete files whitch owner is nobody :) |
| 18:31.21 | benjamindees | keko_, as root |
| 18:31.40 | keko_ | got only user in srv |
| 18:33.21 | benjamindees | keko_, 'chown file me' but I doubt you have permission to do that if you can't delete it |
| 18:33.32 | embkas | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/917821 |
| 18:34.22 | keko_ | benjamindees: i tryed chown keko file/directory -R didnt help.. |
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| 18:35.15 | keko_ | strange i cant delete files from my home folder :/ |
| 18:35.16 | OlaX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.40 | lsec | permissions? |
| 18:36.04 | keko_ | drwxr-xr-x 6 nobody nobody 4096 Feb 25 19:03 |
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| 18:38.36 | abrotman | keko_: root can delete it |
| 18:39.10 | lsec | and you have tried to remove it under user nobody? |
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| 18:40.07 | abrotman | lsec: how would he become the user nobody ? |
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| 18:42.49 | itchi | I'm back with my big font's problem. Still not fixed. When xdm start up i only see "me to v" and this take up near my whole screen. I added DisplaySize 336 210 to monitor section of xorg.conf but still the same problem |
| 18:43.20 | lsec | abrotman: first question is 'why home dir is owned by nobody' |
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| 18:43.26 | lsec | :) |
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| 18:45.39 | lsec | if user 'nobody' is a real user under his box - he may switch to nobody with 'su - nobody' |
| 18:46.47 | itchi | Should be "Welcome to venus" i guess |
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| 18:47.28 | ratamahatta | hi |
| 18:47.32 | lsec | Hi |
| 18:47.41 | ratamahatta | what is the best video editor for debian ? |
| 18:47.46 | ratamahatta | the best |
| 18:47.50 | ratamahatta | what is it ? |
| 18:47.54 | ratamahatta | tell ratamahatta |
| 18:48.08 | wols | !best |
| 18:48.08 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:48.13 | wols | !tell ratamahatta about ente |
| 18:48.14 | wols | !tell ratamahatta about enter |
| 18:48.33 | abrotman | lsec: nothing wrong with that |
| 18:48.37 | ratamahatta | very nice wols |
| 18:48.42 | wols | note: channel consensus is women at play |
| 18:48.45 | wols | nothing beats them |
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| 18:50.27 | weracher | whats the ddc entry in the xorg module section for when does Xorg check the EDID? |
| 18:50.36 | ratamahatta | whats the package to install for video editing that has the least BUGS |
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| 18:50.41 | abrotman | vi |
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| 18:51.01 | weracher | at startup? --- i wannt to know do i need this entry |
| 18:51.03 | wols | vi is pretty big. I'm sure there are some bugs in it |
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| 18:51.09 | wols | cat, ed or dd. your choice |
| 18:51.27 | abrotman | i'm sure emacs has a video editing mode :) |
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| 18:51.41 | enouf | embkas: back .. that looks all ok |
| 18:51.46 | Justin | emacs has an ascii art editing mode :) |
| 18:51.51 | abrotman | see! |
| 18:51.57 | Justin | m-x artist-mode |
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| 18:52.10 | fsmunoz | also M-x picture-mode, for simpler needs |
| 18:52.26 | wols | I'm sure emacs has a hard AI built in and stallman isn't telling |
| 18:52.28 | abrotman | you're all freaks! |
| 18:52.30 | enouf | embkas: so what's wrong exactly? |
| 18:52.33 | embkas | ratamahatta: cinelerra |
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| 18:52.36 | ratamahatta | try editing an avi file with vi |
| 18:52.45 | ratamahatta | haha |
| 18:53.00 | jelly | ratamahatta: try editing a vi file with i! |
| 18:53.10 | fsmunoz | ratamahatta: I've hard about cinelerra and cinepaint. Google them and see what you think. |
| 18:53.23 | wols | neither is in debian, are they? |
| 18:53.31 | fsmunoz | wols: good question |
| 18:53.37 | wols | kino is |
| 18:53.38 | Ezep | Sorry, the backports repos are the deb-src like, aren't they? |
| 18:53.46 | wols | Ezep: no |
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| 18:53.48 | fsmunoz | wols: I'm not sure how to ask the bot to check that... |
| 18:53.49 | abrotman | Ezep: depends which kind you mean |
| 18:53.51 | wols | !tell Ezep about bpo |
| 18:53.58 | wols | !tell fsmunoz about search |
| 18:54.09 | embkas | enouf: have to translate for you, I'm Norwegian. When I try to capture in Kino I get "raw1394 kernelmodule not loaded or no permissions to /dev/raw1394 |
| 18:54.10 | Ezep | thx |
| 18:54.42 | abrotman | embkas: in unstable/sid ? |
| 18:54.50 | embkas | abrotman: etch |
| 18:54.53 | wols | embkas: cinlerra won't have that kernel module either since the kernel lacks it, not kino |
| 18:54.56 | abrotman | embkas: which kernel ? |
| 18:54.59 | enouf | embkas: ok , try as root |
| 18:55.06 | embkas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:55.10 | fsmunoz | tahnks wool |
| 18:55.11 | abrotman | enouf: or see if the device exists first ? |
| 18:55.12 | wols | embkas: the module was deprecated and doesn't exist in nmewer kernels |
| 18:55.17 | enouf | embkas: also, if that works, add your user to the disk group |
| 18:55.35 | enouf | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/917821 |
| 18:56.01 | enouf | embkas: you should answer my questions though |
| 18:56.31 | craigevil | there are afew video editors in the repos: avidemux, kino, lives, openmovieeditor, pitivi |
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| 18:56.35 | abrotman | enouf: i thought it was his problem ? |
| 18:56.51 | enouf | !confuse abrotman |
| 18:56.52 | dpkg | Yes, them are their pants tomorrow, abrotman? breeches of the people's republic of tibet with extra ham |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | enouf: leave me alone .. i'm canadian! or something |
| 18:57.07 | enouf | or confuse me .. |
| 18:57.27 | itchi | enouf: I did like dpkg told about dpi but still have the same problem |
| 18:57.35 | enouf | itchi: ouch |
| 18:57.46 | embkas | enouf: sorry, I haven't got time for this - my fault - shouldn't have bothered you alle, when I haven't got time for this myself - have to help my son preparing for his math test for tomorrow - again sorry for the inconvenience I hope I can come back |
| 18:57.56 | enouf | itchi: some other brokeness in your newer software i guess |
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| 18:58.16 | abrotman | embkas: just tell him about "i" .. and tell him to figure it out! |
| 18:58.20 | enouf | embkas: no prob - when you're ready ;-) |
| 18:58.32 | itchi | enouf: I worry because it's a fresh install, etch -> lenny after a base install |
| 18:58.41 | enouf | itchi: oh |
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| 18:59.00 | enouf | itchi: ask again to channel - i don't know :-( |
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| 19:00.45 | itchi | Well, when i start xdm or whatever, my fonts are ways to big, with xdm i only see "me to V" (Welcome to Venus). Once i'm logged into fluxbox, i could do anythings, the fonts may be 102 of size, i don't know exactly, but anyway, i can't do anythings because the fonts are ways to big |
| 19:01.03 | Omnistegan | Hey people. I have a relativly fresh install of debian here. I think IPv6 might be turned off, can anyone give me the run down on how to check it and disable if it's on? |
| 19:01.04 | enouf | wow, that's large, hehe |
| 19:01.18 | valdyn | Omnistegan: its on if its a fresh install |
| 19:01.19 | itchi | I never saw that big fonts :-) |
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| 19:01.39 | Omnistegan | valdyn: I was afraid of that, is it easy to diable? |
| 19:01.40 | valdyn | Omnistegan: lsmod | grep ipv6 will show the module |
| 19:01.42 | enouf | itchi: ctrl+alt+- ? |
| 19:01.45 | saintiss | hi all |
| 19:01.57 | saintiss | how can I see what a package's preinst script does, if I just have the *.deb file? |
| 19:02.04 | enouf | itchi: ctrl-alt-+/- ? |
| 19:02.17 | valdyn | saintiss: dpkg -x the .deb file |
| 19:02.18 | thelostbutler | saintiss: extract the package. i think dpkg -x does it |
| 19:02.26 | enouf | itchi: it sounds like a magnifyer of some sort ;-) |
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| 19:02.38 | enouf | er magnifier even |
| 19:02.47 | itchi | enouf: I can't log in with xdm, no tab features but with gdm i can. I can startx too |
| 19:03.01 | enouf | itchi: drxx ? |
| 19:03.15 | saintiss | valdyn: hmm, that seems to result in the files which will be installed |
| 19:03.18 | saintiss | not the preinst scirpt |
| 19:03.32 | enouf | itchi: dpkg-reconfigure xdm ? |
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| 19:03.58 | itchi | enouf: With startx it don't work. Use ratpoison i awaiting ... |
| 19:04.05 | itchi | in* |
| 19:04.07 | valdyn | saintiss: not sure, it didnt extract var/lib/dpkg/info/ stuff ? |
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| 19:04.31 | saintiss | valdyn: no, you have to provide a target dir, and there's no var/ in dhtere |
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| 19:04.46 | valdyn | saintiss: ok, try ar x |
| 19:04.54 | valdyn | saintiss: or was it cpio? i forgot |
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| 19:05.47 | valdyn | saintiss: its "ar x file.deb" |
| 19:05.56 | saintiss | valdyn: indeed, that seems to list some files |
| 19:06.01 | wols | dpkg -x <filr> |
| 19:06.01 | saintiss | I find the control file now |
| 19:06.06 | saintiss | no preinst script though |
| 19:06.07 | valdyn | saintiss: 2 tarballs |
| 19:06.18 | saintiss | valdyn: indeed, I find the control file in the control.gz |
| 19:06.28 | valdyn | saintiss: debian packages do not have to contain those scripts |
| 19:06.33 | valdyn | saintiss: they can |
| 19:06.44 | saintiss | ok, then probably this one did not |
| 19:06.44 | saintiss | thanks |
| 19:06.57 | itchi | enouf: with gdm same problem, i can't change the resolution. I tried with xrandr but don't do effect |
| 19:07.02 | enouf | itchi: just use gdm? got anything in ~/.fontconfig/ .fonts/ .fonts.conf? how about exists any ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession files ? |
| 19:07.30 | itchi | enouf: I moved my home as test to, but same problem |
| 19:07.38 | valdyn | saintiss: debs containing only a binary runnable program have no use for those scripts |
| 19:07.39 | fsmunoz | itchi: and what's the actual resolution (sorry if you already said it)? |
| 19:07.44 | enouf | itchi: drats - i don't know - i would --purge remove the pkgs and reinstall |
| 19:07.51 | itchi | fsmunoz: 1280x800 |
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| 19:08.10 | fsmunoz | itchi: and it "looks" like it's correct, apart from the fonts? |
| 19:08.18 | valdyn | itchi: check your dpi, xdpyinfo |
| 19:08.21 | itchi | fsmunoz: yeah, just fonts are sad |
| 19:08.27 | fsmunoz | itchi: dam, weid problem |
| 19:08.41 | itchi | wow |
| 19:08.42 | enouf | valdyn: he said he tried the !dpi factioid |
| 19:08.46 | valdyn | itchi: x tends to autodetect that more commonly now, and some hardware it just gets silly information from |
| 19:08.51 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.01 | enouf | what? |
| 19:09.12 | valdyn | itchi: there you go, thats obviously fucked |
| 19:09.20 | enouf | rofl |
| 19:09.23 | valdyn | itchi: read the xorg.conf manpage, look for DisplaySize |
| 19:09.25 | itchi | in xdpyinfo i see 112x968 dots per inch |
| 19:09.31 | itchi | valdyn: I have set it |
| 19:09.42 | chops | itchi: 968 vertical DPI is not correct |
| 19:09.46 | valdyn | itchi: and its STILL giving that totally fucked up dpi? |
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| 19:09.51 | itchi | valdyn: DisplaySize 336 210 yup |
| 19:09.55 | valdyn | itchi: whats your displaysize then? |
| 19:09.58 | valdyn | itchi: ok |
| 19:10.04 | itchi | 1280x800 |
| 19:10.16 | enouf | $ xdpyinfo | grep dots |
| 19:10.16 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.21 | valdyn | itchi: grep -i dpi /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:10.42 | itchi | enouf: well 112x968 here |
| 19:10.55 | itchi | Do you understand how that sucks here now :-p |
| 19:10.58 | enouf | that's too funny :-) sorry |
| 19:11.04 | valdyn | itchi: some drivers ignore displaysize when theres autodetection |
| 19:11.19 | valdyn | itchi: but lets see the output of above command first |
| 19:11.59 | itchi | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/49901 |
| 19:12.14 | valdyn | itchi: yea, what i thought, intel driver |
| 19:12.42 | itchi | Worked very fine before ... |
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| 19:12.59 | valdyn | itchi: sure, you probably installed a new driver version |
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| 19:13.30 | valdyn | itchi: from the intel manpage : Option "DDC" "boolean" |
| 19:13.34 | itchi | valdyn: It's a fresh install now. Upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 19:13.40 | valdyn | itchi: try that with false |
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| 19:13.47 | valdyn | itchi: that implies that you got a new intel driver, yes |
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| 19:15.06 | action09 | hi all |
| 19:15.44 | itchi | valdyn: looked in i740 i810 intel but don't find about DCC with |
| 19:15.49 | valdyn | itchi: whats the native resolution of your display btw? dont you have square pixels? |
| 19:15.49 | pumpkin0 | what is the easy way to decode base64 on the command-line ? |
| 19:16.06 | valdyn | itchi: umm? |
| 19:16.08 | valdyn | itchi: you need to edit xorg.conf |
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| 19:16.33 | action09 | pumpkin0 i'd say od maybe |
| 19:16.39 | wols | mimedecode? |
| 19:17.05 | itchi | valdyn: It's 1280 x 800 and seems to be ok |
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| 19:17.12 | pumpkin0 | wols: mimedecode reads the file, outputs a file and does not change the content at all .. |
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| 19:17.30 | enouf | uuencode/uudecode? |
| 19:17.49 | wols | perl then :) |
| 19:17.57 | enouf | i recall i had to grab something off the internet referring to base64 to try and read my system email |
| 19:18.02 | wols | btw: yout stdout is a file... |
| 19:18.14 | pumpkin0 | uudecode says: "uudecode: stdin: No `begin' line" |
| 19:18.14 | itchi | valdyn: I not find any options of DCC |
| 19:18.22 | enouf | pumpkin0: turned out just importing it into kmail decoded it |
| 19:18.28 | wols | itchi: DDC != DCC |
| 19:18.30 | valdyn | itchi: where are you not finding it? |
| 19:18.49 | valdyn | wols: damn, thanks |
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| 19:19.10 | itchi | valdyn: in xorg.conf |
| 19:19.14 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the file is huge and on a remote server. tranfering it here and back is ... second best option. |
| 19:19.18 | itchi | wols: Did i write DDC? |
| 19:19.31 | xingu | pumpkin0: uudeview |
| 19:19.31 | itchi | ow, wait |
| 19:19.34 | wols | you wrote DCC. what's that supposed to be in the context of xorg? |
| 19:19.34 | treyh0 | is /etc/bash_completion gone forever in lenny or sid? |
| 19:19.38 | valdyn | itchi: its not there, you add that, in the Device section |
| 19:19.38 | enouf | pumpkin0: yeah .. i see - but that's what did it for me |
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| 19:19.47 | itchi | wols: I was wrong, good to point out |
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| 19:21.51 | xingu | pumpkin0: or two seconds, perl, and firefox data: url (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data:_URI_scheme) |
| 19:22.06 | xingu | pumpkin0: but seriously, uudeview; it's the ultimate swiss army knife for that sort of thing. |
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| 19:22.29 | pumpkin0 | xingu: well... it is installing. That server is so dead... |
| 19:22.38 | valdyn | itchi: http://paste.debian.net/49902 |
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| 19:23.26 | \amethyst | treyh0: it should be in package 'bash' in both sid and lenny |
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| 19:23.53 | \amethyst | treyh0: unless it got deleted from your machine |
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| 19:24.56 | pumpkin0 | xingu: thanks, it worked. |
| 19:25.10 | treyh0 | \amethyst: no, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/bash/bash_3.1dfsg-9/changelog <- " * Remove bash-completion from the source." |
| 19:25.11 | itchi | valdyn: ! |
| 19:25.18 | itchi | valdyn: Your ways to great!!! |
| 19:25.34 | itchi | valdyn: Fixed :-) |
| 19:25.42 | valdyn | itchi: neat, welcome |
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| 19:26.07 | itchi | I first messed up my xconf :-p that's why it took a bit more time :-p |
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| 19:26.47 | itchi | valdyn: Since when has this changed? |
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| 19:27.06 | treyh0 | if you still have it then it's because upgrading to the latest bash didn't remove it for you because it's a 'config file', but it's not in the latest packages list of files: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/bash/filelist |
| 19:27.10 | Ezep | !tell Ezep about ntfs-3g |
| 19:27.24 | Ezep | Nop :S |
| 19:27.35 | Ezep | !tell Ezep about ntfs |
| 19:27.45 | abrotman | !tell Ezep about selftell |
| 19:28.41 | \amethyst | treyh0: aha |
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| 19:29.00 | itchi | Well, i need to read a bit :-) |
| 19:29.12 | \amethyst | treyh0: there's supposed to be a bash-completion package again, but it's not accepted into unstable yet |
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| 19:29.54 | treyh0 | \amethyst: yeah but that package doesn't include the /etc/bash_completion file either, i'm afraid: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/bash-completion_20060301-1.html |
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| 19:30.19 | treyh0 | which is probably why it hasnt been accepted yet |
| 19:30.20 | treyh0 | duno |
| 19:30.23 | valdyn | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 19:30.28 | valdyn | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel lenny |
| 19:30.29 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-intel: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:2.2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 326 kB, Installed size: 656 kB |
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| 19:30.38 | valdyn | itchi: actually i thought its fixed already |
| 19:30.48 | valdyn | itchi: maybe a few months |
| 19:30.57 | ushdfgakk | how should I go about troubleshooting my internet connection on debian |
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| 19:31.19 | ushdfgakk | I have a registered IP, so it seems, under eth0 and it thinks its receiving packets but |
| 19:31.22 | ushdfgakk | that's about all I can get |
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| 19:31.59 | valdyn | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel lenny |
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| 19:32.11 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-intel: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:2.1.0-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 592 kB |
| 19:32.23 | ushdfgakk | hm |
| 19:32.26 | ushdfgakk | !info eth0 |
| 19:32.50 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: gives some more info: what works in your network, what is the output of "route" |
| 19:32.57 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: on a paste site, dont paste here |
| 19:33.21 | itchi | valdyn: It's that version ^ i have |
| 19:33.33 | ushdfgakk | how am I supposed to paste it if I can't connect to the internet ;) |
| 19:33.35 | valdyn | itchi: yea |
| 19:33.49 | ushdfgakk | yeah hold on |
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| 19:34.52 | ushdfgakk | http://pastebin.com/m3c544ee3 |
| 19:35.17 | moparisthebest | is there a way to set a timeout for SYN connections? |
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| 19:35.28 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: howd you manage to mess up just one line? but i can still read this.. |
| 19:35.31 | moparisthebest | i can't seem to find one on google |
| 19:35.41 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: you dont have a default route |
| 19:36.01 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: whats your ip? |
| 19:36.08 | flynd | Hi! I'm trying to (re)install my linux-partition on a multiboot machine, using latest lenny-netinstaller, but the installer partitioner doesn't seem to find any of my existing partitions. It only shows the disk and offers to to create a new partition table. But the partitions looks fine when I look in /proc/partitions. |
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| 19:36.21 | ushdfgakk | I put it in a slightly more logical fashion then it was rather than try to duplicate the whitespace |
| 19:36.21 | ushdfgakk | didn't want to assume pastebin put it in <pre> automatically |
| 19:36.27 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: actually i dont care what it is.. ping it, tell if that works, ping 172.16.144.60 and tell if that works |
| 19:36.37 | ushdfgakk | 172.16.144.60, afaikt |
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| 19:37.09 | ushdfgakk | no reply on ping |
| 19:37.10 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: "ifconfig eth0" lists your ip |
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| 19:37.24 | ushdfgakk | 172.16.144.61... |
| 19:37.37 | ushdfgakk | still no reply |
| 19:37.44 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: youre not connected to your peer |
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| 19:37.52 | ushdfgakk | ? |
| 19:37.56 | adhrish | ? |
| 19:37.59 | ushdfgakk | !!! |
| 19:37.59 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 19:38.21 | ushdfgakk | !info cookies |
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| 19:38.57 | ushdfgakk | valdyn, what do I do? |
| 19:39.11 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: "ifconfig eth0 up", then ping your ip |
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| 19:39.43 | ushdfgakk | no reply |
| 19:39.51 | adhrish | I get mail encoded in base 64 |
| 19:39.55 | adhrish | can any one help |
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| 19:40.05 | ushdfgakk | adhrish: find a new postman |
| 19:40.05 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: was that the complete output of "route" ? |
| 19:40.23 | \amethyst | adhrish: help prevent you from getting mail encoded in base64? Or help you read it? |
| 19:40.23 | ushdfgakk | yes, yes it was |
| 19:40.28 | \amethyst | adhrish: what mail client to you use? |
| 19:40.39 | adhrish | Pleae help me read it |
| 19:40.48 | adhrish | I use outlook express |
| 19:40.56 | enouf | flynd: are you in the installer, dropped to another console/terminal when see /proc/partitions? |
| 19:41.04 | moparisthebest | is there a way to set a timeout for SYN connections in debian? there is in freebsd |
| 19:41.04 | \amethyst | adhrish: that's an outlook express question then, not a Debian question |
| 19:41.10 | enouf | when seeing* |
| 19:41.22 | adhrish | but this happens to many mail clients |
| 19:41.38 | flynd | enouf: Installer running in tty1, shell started in tty2 |
| 19:41.40 | adhrish | if some one cld help me with it |
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| 19:41.57 | enouf | flynd: ok, what's you disk controller? |
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| 19:42.23 | enouf | your* |
| 19:42.24 | ushdfgakk | i'm confused |
| 19:42.34 | enouf | ushdfgakk: you look it |
| 19:42.39 | flynd | enouf: Standand IDE, VT82C686 |
| 19:42.44 | ushdfgakk | look what |
| 19:42.53 | enouf | !confuse ushdfgakk |
| 19:42.53 | dpkg | Yes, who is our gerbil yesterday, ushdfgakk? shirts of the democracy of mongolia with extra cheese |
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| 19:43.09 | ushdfgakk | i rather like this dpkg fellow |
| 19:43.10 | \amethyst | moparisthebest: you mean for the initial SYN packet when you are establishing a connection? |
| 19:43.14 | enouf | flynd: and does lsmod show it? |
| 19:43.16 | valdyn | ushdfgakk: route del 172.16.144.60; route add default eth0 |
| 19:43.22 | moparisthebest | yes \amethyst |
| 19:43.24 | dethstar | someone know of a cellular wireless card that's supported under debian? |
| 19:43.36 | ushdfgakk | "SIOCDELRT: No such process" |
| 19:43.47 | flynd | enouf: via82cxxx is loaded, I'm guessing that's it |
| 19:44.02 | enouf | flynd: did you pass any params to the installer at the boot prompt? |
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| 19:44.14 | \amethyst | moparisthebest: you can set the number of retries, but AFAIK you can't change the wait between retries |
| 19:44.23 | flynd | enouf: no, I just press return and let it boot default installer |
| 19:44.26 | enouf | flynd: yep, that's the controller modules |
| 19:44.30 | enouf | ok |
| 19:44.50 | moparisthebest | I already have the number of retries set down to 5 \amethyst :( |
| 19:44.56 | enouf | flynd: so parted i guess is not seeing your disks partitions? |
| 19:44.57 | \amethyst | moparisthebest: http://ipsysctl-tutorial.frozentux.net/chunkyhtml/tcpvariables.html#AEN477 |
| 19:45.01 | moparisthebest | some jerk is SYN flooding my server |
| 19:45.01 | \amethyst | moparisthebest: oh... |
| 19:45.08 | \amethyst | moparisthebest: I believe 5 is the default |
| 19:45.29 | moparisthebest | maybe I'll set it down further then, for now anyway |
| 19:45.50 | flynd | enouf: parted is the partitioning application used by the installer? Then yes, it shows the disk but not any partitions |
| 19:45.57 | enouf | flynd: one system disk only? is it a Sata Disk? that controller is the Via IDE one |
| 19:46.16 | itchi | valdyn: Is that normal that i have a little square on the top left of each window? |
| 19:46.34 | valdyn | itchi: i dont know what you are talking about |
| 19:46.48 | abrotman | moparisthebest: turn it off? |
| 19:46.49 | valdyn | itchi: i.e. i dont know that square |
| 19:46.56 | flynd | enouf: IDE disk, seagate 80gb, a few years old but haven't had any other problems, windows, freedos and the old debian installation handled it fine |
| 19:47.13 | craigevil | itchi: the little tiny box above the menu bar? in kde for most themes yes thats normal |
| 19:47.34 | moparisthebest | abrotman, turn what off? |
| 19:47.42 | itchi | valdyn: Well, i have now one dead? dot in the middle of my screen and on the topleft of each window a little grey square of 3 pixels |
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| 19:47.48 | itchi | ... using fluxbox |
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| 19:48.16 | flynd | enouf: 8 partitions, hda1-3 bootable for winxp, freedos and linux, hda4 extended partition, hda5 swap, hda6-8 various fat32-partitions |
| 19:48.20 | enouf | flynd: i see - i can only think that perhaps your Ext'd partition ID is wrong perhaps? or just something odd about your Partition Tables - was it (the HDD) previously formatted with partition magic or similar? |
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| 19:49.30 | flynd | enouf: Partitioning was done when disk was new, I know I did it in linux (probably using cfdisk) because I didn't trust win installer =) |
| 19:49.41 | enouf | heh |
| 19:49.42 | itchi | valdyn: Well the square was a little fluxbox glitch, activated/desactivated the "Tabs in Title" and that square is gone. Just that little dead pixel that left |
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| 19:49.56 | enouf | so where are you trying to install Debian to now? |
| 19:49.59 | enouf | flynd: ^^ |
| 19:50.27 | enouf | i mean where on the HDD |
| 19:50.38 | flynd | enouf: I use mbr as boot menu and then lilo is (was) installed in debian partition |
| 19:51.01 | enouf | flynd: oh dear |
| 19:51.34 | flynd | enouf: I want to reinstall the old linux partition leaving the other partitions untouched, linux is hda3 (ext3), 3GB |
| 19:51.37 | enouf | you're doing a winXP multi boot thingy? + i guess mbr is a bootloader? |
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| 19:52.07 | flynd | No, mbr is a the mbr-package from debian |
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| 19:52.23 | debber | Hi all, can anyone suggest a script to tell me what outbound messages summarized by day by sender our etch server runs amavis-new 2.4.2-6.1 |
| 19:52.28 | enouf | flynd: oh i know that - but that's a pkg for resetting to MPoop MBR |
| 19:52.35 | enouf | it's not a Bootloader |
| 19:52.45 | treyh0 | debber: if you use postfix, pflogsumm |
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| 19:52.58 | enouf | you said "I use mbr as boot menu" |
| 19:53.01 | debber | treyh0 cool thanks I'll look into that |
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| 19:53.30 | ixiion | hi |
| 19:53.34 | enouf | and i meant "oh i know that pkg " |
| 19:53.42 | flynd | enouf: It's not a loader, but it lets me choose which partition to boot from |
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| 19:53.53 | enouf | ... |
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| 19:54.25 | enouf | you'er supposed to run install-mbr to regain an MPoop MBR |
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| 19:54.29 | flynd | No, I do not know why I'm not using lilo directly =) |
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| 19:54.48 | ixiion | i´m searching for somethinkg like a download manager but with a webgui , didnt found some in the repos and want to ask anynone know a good one maybe ? |
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| 19:55.17 | flynd | What's "MPoop" ?? |
| 19:55.26 | enouf | dude, write something to your MBR and if you want to keep using the MPoop multiboot loader, use that with Loadlin + Lilo or something |
| 19:55.52 | enouf | MicroPoop .. quite small :-P |
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| 19:56.40 | enouf | flynd: i think perhaps your MPTs are not written correctly |
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| 19:57.02 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, ya still use lilo? |
| 19:57.04 | enouf | the 64bytes of the 1st sector between 446 and 510 |
| 19:57.21 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: not personally |
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| 19:57.50 | flynd | My MBR is fine, the kernel has no problem reading it and fdisk shows all my partitions as well |
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| 19:58.04 | enouf | flynd: the mbr package writes boot code to the 1st 440 bytes only |
| 19:58.12 | enouf | like fdisk /mbr does |
| 19:58.19 | enouf | and FIXMBR |
| 19:58.22 | flynd | Yes |
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| 19:59.19 | enouf | so, at sometime, your MPT got munged, ergo; parted can't make sense of it - or because of the way you say you used the MBR package to boot |
| 19:59.20 | flynd | Actually, I ran fdisk now and it says two of the partitions doesn't end on cylinder boundaries, can that be what's stopping parted from working? |
| 19:59.41 | enouf | likely not - but perhaps |
| 19:59.54 | enouf | i think sfdisk might help |
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| 20:00.56 | enouf | flynd: erm, so you boot to mbr then what? you choose CDROM? |
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| 20:01.23 | flynd | sfdisk shows all partitions just like fdisk |
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| 20:02.04 | enouf | flynd: sfdisk can export and reimport the tables fixing any issues - the man page mentions it concerning dos 6.22 stuff |
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| 20:02.17 | flynd | Currently I've booted from the debian netinstall cd, but normally I boot mbr where I can press 1,2 or 3 to boot windows, freedos och linux |
| 20:02.58 | databridge | hey people BEOS the operating system will be continued: http://www.haikuware.com/20080225177/news/beos-max-development-continues |
| 20:02.59 | enouf | sfdisk -d /dev/hda > partition.tables (to export) ; sfdisk < /dev/hda to (re)import |
| 20:03.04 | enouf | gah |
| 20:03.17 | enouf | sfdisk -d /dev/hda > partition.tables (to export) ; sfdisk /dev/hda < partition.tables to (re)import |
| 20:03.22 | abrotman | databridge: don't spam us |
| 20:03.29 | databridge | i do not |
| 20:03.44 | enouf | flynd: hrm.. |
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| 20:04.19 | flynd | enouf: can't I just skip the partitioning step from the installer? =) |
| 20:04.26 | enouf | hehe |
| 20:04.37 | enouf | flynd: use the etch installer ;-) |
| 20:05.02 | flynd | Last time I installed, I had an option to just use fdisk instead of those user-friendly menues =) |
| 20:05.04 | enouf | though i can't guarantee your disk MPTs are fine |
| 20:05.04 | junix|work | how do i change the time/date, its monday, and i forget |
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| 20:05.29 | enouf | flynd: try the installer in "expert" mode |
| 20:05.42 | enouf | flynd: hit F1-F10 for details |
| 20:05.52 | flynd | Ah, I'll try that, time to reboot... |
| 20:05.53 | enouf | or just erad the CD contents ;-) |
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| 20:07.11 | Alarm | hello, i got a question but i guess its more kde-based. i used debian with kde. how can i make my konqueror show a priview of the videos ? something like the thumbnails of a pictures |
| 20:07.31 | Alarm | not to show them as simple video icons but show the first frames of the video |
| 20:07.41 | drwahl | Alarm: i believe if you install somthine like totem, you can tell it to integrate with konquerer |
| 20:07.48 | InspectorCluseau | junix|work, read man date |
| 20:08.02 | Alarm | i use mplayer |
| 20:08.21 | Alarm | dont want to install totem just for that . |
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| 20:09.09 | drwahl | Alarm: i do not think that mplayer has extensions to plug into konquerer, the only program that i know that will "nicely" interface with konquerer is totem. maybe also check out xine integration into konquerer as well |
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| 20:09.24 | RedX | hi! is there a way of showing all open files? |
| 20:09.45 | Alarm | okie :) thank you |
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| 20:10.01 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: btw, what i mentioned about sfdisk above, i use to backup my disk's partition tables, already saved me once ;-) |
| 20:10.37 | hark | RedX: lsof |
| 20:10.37 | enouf | hrmf |
| 20:10.38 | Tramp | RedX: man lsof. Reading the manpage may take some time though. |
| 20:10.59 | danand | ? |
| 20:11.06 | danand | oops |
| 20:11.06 | Award | Can anyone point me to documentation on how to migrate data from old Bugzilla to a 2.22 version? The old one had the yellow/red background on the header, and had a "bugs" database instead of "bugzilla"? I have the backups of the old database, and now must find a way to migrate it to the new one. |
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| 20:11.11 | enouf | (i accidentally did cfdisk > /dev/hda once) O_o |
| 20:11.29 | RedX | man lsof: No manual entry for lsof |
| 20:11.39 | Tramp | !installit |
| 20:11.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 20:11.50 | Justin | Award: /usr/share/doc/bugzilla/ have any clues? |
| 20:12.12 | RedX | can you tell me whit package bundles it, or where i can find out which package bundles it? |
| 20:12.37 | Tramp | !tell RedX about search |
| 20:12.42 | RedX | nvm |
| 20:12.45 | RedX | got it thx |
| 20:12.46 | Tramp | RedX: and its "lsof" |
| 20:12.47 | flynd | enouf: Well, expert mode gave me a lot of extra questions, but I still have to partition my disk before being allowed to install a base system and I parted is still the only option and it still doesn't like my disk |
| 20:13.03 | Award | Justin: Oddly it points to "rel_notes.txt"....which doesn't seem to exist. |
| 20:13.34 | Justin | Award: google bugzilla+rel_notes.txt? |
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| 20:13.50 | enouf | flynd: try the sfdisk trick (maybe) - though make two copies ;-) .. or try the etch installer |
| 20:14.05 | craigevil | Alarm: f you want konqueror to display thumbnail previews of video files you'll need to get libarts1-xine |
| 20:14.26 | Alarm | i'll need also xine then i guess . or not |
| 20:14.39 | enouf | Award: dpkg -L bugzilla-pkgname | grep txt ? |
| 20:14.49 | drwahl | Alarm: i believe you *do* need xine |
| 20:15.02 | enouf | or grep -i README, or Debian, or html or .. |
| 20:15.11 | Alarm | okie :) |
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| 20:15.41 | Award | Justin: Thanks...oddly I did find part of the info from it elsewhere...I figured it was wrong, but it's failing when I run it. (Gathering specifics now) |
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| 20:16.21 | flynd | enouf: "sfdisk: I don't like these partitions - nothing changed."... that can't be good |
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| 20:16.27 | enouf | omg |
| 20:16.47 | flynd | "Warning: partitions 1 and 2 overlap" |
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| 20:16.58 | enouf | yep, bad layout |
| 20:17.04 | flynd | Could that be the problem? =) |
| 20:17.11 | enouf | do ya think? |
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| 20:17.49 | flynd | Hmm... I wonder which partition should be shrunk... |
| 20:18.01 | enouf | flynd: whatever you do, be careful - have backups ;-) |
| 20:18.15 | flynd | Does the installer-cd have any tool to check how much of a partition a fat32-filesystem uses? =) |
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| 20:18.43 | enouf | flynd: you an inspect using something like xxd /dev/hda2 | less - see if you see boot code, etc |
| 20:18.47 | flynd | Worst case = I trash my freedos partition which I suspect doesn't boot properly anyway |
| 20:18.50 | RedX | how do i get a list of all installed packages in my system. can't find the right option for apt-cache... |
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| 20:19.00 | enouf | flynd: see if the "gpart" tool can find correctly your layout |
| 20:19.03 | enouf | one sec |
| 20:19.16 | enouf | http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ |
| 20:19.20 | enouf | flynd: ^^^ |
| 20:19.24 | flynd | No gpart there, I guess I'd better swich to the knoppix cd |
| 20:19.52 | enouf | flynd: i wouldn't want to try and walk someone through how to manually hexedit their partition tables and boot sectors ;-)\ |
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| 20:20.15 | enouf | no gpart where? |
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| 20:20.33 | flynd | enouf: You don't have to, I've played around with it before... maybe this time I won't use a hex editor =) |
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| 20:20.42 | enouf | haha |
| 20:20.45 | Tramp | !tell RedX about installed |
| 20:20.52 | flynd | enouf: on the debian-cd, at least there is to gpart in path |
| 20:21.05 | enouf | flynd: i gave you the url, it's a tool |
| 20:21.09 | enouf | not in debian |
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| 20:21.26 | robrr | is the default fonts directory /usr/share/fonts/ ? |
| 20:21.46 | RedX | Tramp: nothing appeared here |
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| 20:22.06 | RedX | nvm.. i'm just plain dumb... :-/ |
| 20:23.06 | enouf | try dying your beard blonde? like abrotman does? |
| 20:23.28 | abrotman | i didn't dye it! |
| 20:23.39 | enouf | :-P |
| 20:24.14 | ignu | ignorant newbie here, trying to figure out how to install wbar. at 'http://freshmeat.net/projects/wbar/?branch_id=66660' it says 'mirror site: http://www.tecapli.com.ar/warlock/wbar-1.3.3.tbz2' ... do I gegin with a 'wget' to the .tbz2 file? |
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| 20:24.58 | enouf | eww .. nice extension name .. not! |
| 20:25.24 | ignu | enouf ... so it's not just me ... i thought so, too |
| 20:26.00 | enouf | smell it first - i wouldn't touch that POS with a 10' pole :-P |
| 20:26.47 | ignu | I'm looking for a launcher panel for fluxbox and that's the only one I have found ... in debian packages they seem to be gnome or kde dependent |
| 20:26.51 | vanksi | has anyone ever used centreon on nagios? totally the wrong channel to ask on but i can't find any english documentation on how to configure hosts with the web interface |
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| 20:27.42 | enouf | launcher even |
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| 20:28.58 | ignu | enouf: if you have a standard debian install, then you probably have a top bar and a bottom bar on your screen. the gnome-panel at the top is a good place to put launch icons |
| 20:29.22 | enouf | ahh .. so a taskbar :-P |
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| 20:29.29 | ignu | yep |
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| 20:29.31 | ^Power^ | Ciao a tutti |
| 20:29.38 | bahadunn | anyone know of a tool to use to measure hard drive load? |
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| 20:29.39 | enouf | and no, no bars here - only alcohol ;-) |
| 20:29.57 | ^Power^ | !list |
| 20:29.58 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to ^power^ |
| 20:29.59 | mutante | i would like FlashPlayer on Debian etch amd64, i followed these steps http://s23.org/wiki/Debian/Tips#Flash_Player_in_Debian_64-bit_with_Iceweasel as i took them from the tutorial i linked there, everything seemed to work without problems or errors, but according to Youtube i still dont have a player, and when i click the "Get latest flash player" Iceweasel completely crashes btw :p / |
| 20:30.07 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 20:30.07 | dpkg | nspluginwrapper is probably a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 20:30.28 | enouf | bahadunn: hard drive load? iostat? |
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| 20:30.41 | mutante | yes, nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 20:30.41 | mutante | nspluginwrapper -v -a -u |
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| 20:31.17 | dazjorz | Can I reinstall a package? |
| 20:31.24 | koojoo | hi guys |
| 20:31.31 | dazjorz | I saw the MD5 sum for lib/security/pam_limits.so wasn't the same as the sum in the package |
| 20:31.41 | dazjorz | so I'd like to reinstall libpam-modules without uninstalling first |
| 20:31.44 | dazjorz | is there a good way? |
| 20:31.59 | enouf | mutante: ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/libflashpayer.so to your HOME somewhere? |
| 20:32.01 | ignu | anyone know anything about the wicd network (wired & unwired) manager? |
| 20:32.14 | enouf | mutante: nevermind |
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| 20:32.24 | drwahl | dazjorz: dpkg-reconfigure libpam-modules |
| 20:32.29 | drwahl | should do the trick |
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| 20:32.46 | koojoo | ive edited my /etc/bash/bashrc and made a nice colourful PS1 prompt, but for some reason the only person getting to see the nice colored prompt is user root or su... both TERM variables are the same for root and normal user (linux) and note that the prompt change is seen the SAME as both users, except only root sees the colour... why is this and how can i fix it?? |
| 20:32.52 | dazjorz | drwahl: that'll only reconfigure, not reinstall, right? |
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| 20:33.24 | mutante | koojoo: you can write the "PS1=".. line into /etc/profile |
| 20:33.34 | drwahl | dazjorz: that is the closest thing you can do without uninstall afaik |
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| 20:33.50 | enouf | dazjorz: if you install a newer version , it should just upgrade what you have, and present any conf options during installation as per your debconf settings |
| 20:34.11 | drwahl | ya, that is the other way |
| 20:34.34 | dazjorz | enouf: I can't install a newer version of libpam_modules if there *is* no newer version, right :/ |
| 20:34.38 | dazjorz | or I can fake a newer version? |
| 20:34.39 | enouf | dazjorz: though, apt-cache policy <pkgname> is the way to see if a newer version is available, after an update |
| 20:34.47 | enouf | right |
| 20:34.51 | enouf | no |
| 20:35.04 | dazjorz | debsums said the MD5 sum for /lib/security/pam_limits.so is wrong |
| 20:35.05 | bahadunn | enouf: what package would iostat be in? Do you know offhand? |
| 20:35.07 | drwahl | dazjorz: do you have a .deb that you want to install and it is erroring out saying there is one already installed? |
| 20:35.08 | DeathWolf | what was the way to mount a folder from a mounted fs into another fs? |
| 20:35.13 | DeathWolf | ie directory-like hardlinks:) |
| 20:35.21 | valdyn | dazjorz: aptitude reinstall <package> |
| 20:35.25 | enouf | bahadunn: i don't think it is .. yet |
| 20:35.35 | dazjorz | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 20:35.38 | chops | DeathWolf: mount --bind |
| 20:35.56 | dazjorz | drwahl: no, I've got a regular package that's already installed, but essential files seem to have changed since installation |
| 20:36.00 | koojoo | mutante: added it, removed all .bash* from my normal user directory, and trying to relogin... we will see if this works :) |
| 20:36.07 | DeathWolf | thx chaibia |
| 20:36.09 | DeathWolf | err chops |
| 20:36.14 | chops | DeathWolf: np |
| 20:36.17 | koojoo | mutante: nope, didnt work |
| 20:36.29 | koojoo | mutante: i see the colour from the directories, but not on my prompt |
| 20:36.46 | mutante | koojoo: hmm, but pretty sure thats how i did it and it changed it to a colorful one for all :p shrug |
| 20:37.04 | bahadunn | enouf: its in sysstat |
| 20:37.15 | enouf | koojoo: root also uses .profile? |
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| 20:37.26 | enouf | bahadunn: hrm, neat |
| 20:37.52 | mutante | koojoo: cause profile has the if [ "$PS1" ]; then .. part anyways |
| 20:37.54 | lsec | Can someone recommend virtual pdf printer so it could be added to CUPS? |
| 20:38.33 | enouf | $ apt-cache show sysstat really neat ;-) |
| 20:38.38 | mutante | koojoo: do you see if [ "$BASH" ]; then PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' else... etc? do the users use different shells? |
| 20:38.40 | bahadunn | yeah |
| 20:38.45 | bahadunn | enouf: thanks for the info |
| 20:38.54 | enouf | bahadunn: sure ;-) |
| 20:39.10 | treyh0 | enable colored bash prompt: sed -ie 's,^#PS1=,PS1=,g' -i ~/.bashrc |
| 20:39.27 | treyh0 | oops guess i dont need to specify -i twice heh |
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| 20:42.36 | Ramattack | Hi! |
| 20:43.00 | enouf | i have a /root/.profile here - as opposed to .bash_profile there |
| 20:43.03 | Ramattack | why could be possible that in a console ttyX to have problems like mmm refresh problems? |
| 20:43.10 | Ramattack | without having X started |
| 20:43.20 | Ramattack | If I do a man umount for example |
| 20:43.25 | Ramattack | when I quit |
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| 20:43.46 | enouf | refresh rate? buffer? |
| 20:43.50 | hetOrakel | what does this mean: usb 3-6: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 75 |
| 20:43.52 | enouf | what happens? |
| 20:43.56 | Ramattack | the cursor doesn't blink I think it's said |
| 20:43.56 | flynd | enouf: gpart helped a lot, I've adjusted the win-partition size a bit so it's not overlapping anymore and now parted thinks my partition table is worth using =) |
| 20:44.06 | Ramattack | enouf, don't now mate ... |
| 20:44.08 | Ramattack | imagine |
| 20:44.10 | Ramattack | I do... |
| 20:44.15 | enouf | flynd: dude - you go ;-) |
| 20:44.19 | Ramattack | umount /dev/sda1 |
| 20:44.21 | Ramattack | for example |
| 20:44.22 | Ramattack | and |
| 20:44.37 | enouf | !tell Ramattack -about enter |
| 20:44.38 | Ramattack | the cursor stops being intermittent |
| 20:44.38 | flynd | enouf: Now just remains the question whether windows will boot =) |
| 20:44.45 | dazjorz | dpkg - warning: while removing binutils-mips, directory `/usr/man/man1' not empty so not removed. |
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| 20:44.49 | dazjorz | dpkg - warning: while removing binutils-mips, directory `/usr/man' not empty so not removed. |
| 20:44.52 | dazjorz | That seems like a good idea o_O |
| 20:44.52 | mirak | I have a dying hard drive, how can I recover datas on it ? |
| 20:44.52 | enouf | flynd: who cares? haha |
| 20:45.07 | dazjorz | he |
| 20:45.07 | dazjorz | h |
| 20:45.12 | chops | mirak: How is it dying? |
| 20:45.21 | dazjorz | the root filesystem on this server was just remounted readonly because of errors |
| 20:45.22 | flynd | enouf: Me since I'm too lazy to get my games working under linux |
| 20:45.31 | dazjorz | and then things started printing to this ssh console |
| 20:45.33 | enouf | aye |
| 20:45.35 | dazjorz | quite frightening |
| 20:45.38 | Ramattack | it's quite stange it's like if it gets with refresh problems or so... |
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| 20:45.42 | dazjorz | I remounted it read-write, but I need to do a fscheck |
| 20:45.53 | dazjorz | Is it safe to do a filesystem check while it's mounted readwrite? |
| 20:45.54 | Ramattack | and it's from tty1 for example with ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 20:46.00 | dazjorz | or should I really go to single-user mode before doing anything? |
| 20:46.02 | chops | dazjorz: Absolutely not |
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| 20:46.16 | enouf | Ramattack: righto Console Framebuffer issue only, no X |
| 20:46.21 | valdyn | dazjorz: its safe if you dont let fsck fix anything |
| 20:46.22 | k-man__ | hello |
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| 20:46.27 | Ramattack | yes yes nothing with gnome or so... |
| 20:46.30 | valdyn | dazjorz: but its also meaningless if it find errors |
| 20:46.32 | chops | dazjorz: Go to single-user mode, remount read-only, run fsck, and reboot if anything is modified |
| 20:46.33 | Ramattack | from ctrl+alt+fX |
| 20:46.41 | dazjorz | okay |
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| 20:46.44 | dazjorz | that sounds like something I can do :) |
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| 20:47.00 | k-man__ | how do you build a kernel with a new revision number using the --revision flag? |
| 20:47.12 | enouf | Ramattack: if you say console or terminal, most will know what you mean, use xterm for x-based-terms, and X for GUI ;-) |
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| 20:47.43 | derda | Does somebody know how i can remove the OSD in the Upper Left of the mozil-mplayer plugin?? |
| 20:47.43 | Ramattack | ok.. mate, so what could you think this is caused? haven't seen nothing in logs... |
| 20:47.48 | enouf | Ramattack: it's hard for me atleast to understand what you mean - are you using a Debian Kernel? |
| 20:48.04 | jim | !bugs lprng |
| 20:48.05 | Ramattack | mmm nope |
| 20:48.05 | Justin | derda: press o ? |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
| 20:48.10 | valdyn | derda: hit O |
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| 20:48.23 | enouf | Ramattack: do you run Debian? |
| 20:48.27 | Ramattack | yep |
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| 20:48.34 | enouf | try a debian kernel |
| 20:48.37 | Ramattack | but I had to recompile it to a newer version |
| 20:48.45 | jim | why? |
| 20:48.47 | derda | may heklp in mplayer but the plugin didnt react on o |
| 20:48.53 | Ramattack | because the raid controller didn't work |
| 20:48.54 | enouf | compare configs, find CONSOLE and FRAMEBUFFER and compare |
| 20:49.01 | enouf | and FB |
| 20:49.04 | Justin | derda: the plugin has a config file... |
| 20:49.11 | Ramattack | enouf, FB? |
| 20:49.22 | enouf | FB == FrameBuffer |
| 20:49.30 | jim | anyway, a coupla questions... is cups in stable? |
| 20:49.36 | jim | !find cups etch |
| 20:49.41 | derda | where is it what do i have to editß |
| 20:49.44 | derda | ? |
| 20:49.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cups' (7 of 33): (/lib/nut/genericups) in admin/nut ;; (/usr/lib/libcups.so.2) in libs/libcupsys2 ;; (/etc/lire/plugins/cups_init) in admin/lire ;; (/etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.css) in web/apcupsd-cgi ;; (/usr/lib/collectd/apcups.so) in utils/collectd ;; (/usr/lib/cups/daemon/cups-lpd) in net/cupsys-bsd ;; (/usr/lib/libcupsimage.so.2) in libs/libcupsimage2. |
| 20:49.49 | Ramattack | mmmm I though I was not using a debian kernel but yes a debian kernel config |
| 20:49.51 | valdyn | !setup cups |
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| 20:50.03 | valdyn | jim: /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 20:50.08 | jim | thanks. |
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| 20:50.39 | jim | foomatic-db?? |
| 20:50.47 | enouf | Ramattack: that just complicates the issue and makes your statements even more vague :-P |
| 20:51.10 | Ramattack | why if I'm using the same debian kernel config? |
| 20:51.25 | derda | still waitin for what to config... |
| 20:51.34 | enouf | you compiled it wrong? what would be the point? |
| 20:51.38 | Justin | derda: look at it |
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| 20:51.49 | derda | where? |
| 20:51.52 | Justin | derda: the config |
| 20:52.09 | derda | where is that config |
| 20:52.17 | Ramattack | enouf, but even using the same debian stock kernel config? |
| 20:52.19 | prickwaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.29 | enouf | Ramattack: you ran make oldconfig? |
| 20:52.29 | Justin | derda: /etc/mpl.. ~/.mpl... ? |
| 20:52.39 | Ramattack | nope |
| 20:52.47 | Ramattack | when loaded ncurses with make menuconfig |
| 20:52.48 | ali_haydar | hi all |
| 20:52.55 | Ramattack | I did load an alternate config file |
| 20:52.56 | jim | E: Package cupsomatic-ppd has no installation candidate ;; factoid old? |
| 20:52.56 | derda | THX |
| 20:52.59 | enouf | Ramattack: you used make-kpkg? |
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| 20:53.16 | enouf | Ramattack: if you didn't alter the config, just use a debian kernel |
| 20:53.18 | Ramattack | mmm I think in that machine I didn't because I didn't want to remove the old kernel |
| 20:53.22 | enouf | what's the point? |
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| 20:53.39 | Ramattack | what do you mean with the point? |
| 20:53.57 | Ramattack | I can't use a debian kernel because it didn't support that controller |
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| 20:54.06 | jim | did you try? |
| 20:54.07 | enouf | Ramattack: well you're using a Debian config with vanilla sources |
| 20:54.13 | Ramattack | yes |
| 20:54.13 | mirak | chops: badly, I tried a dd but it failed at 11G on 80G |
| 20:54.16 | Ramattack | right |
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| 20:54.21 | mirak | chops: bad sectors |
| 20:54.21 | enouf | so, your sources aren't debian patched |
| 20:54.36 | Ramattack | true... |
| 20:54.41 | chops | mirak: Try noerror |
| 20:54.45 | jim | well I guess that could be the proble |
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| 20:55.01 | enouf | so .. try a Debian Kernel - install a linux-image-KERNVER for your box |
| 20:55.05 | jim | could be the patches causes the driver to fail |
| 20:55.33 | Ramattack | enouf, but I can't mate... my controller is not supported or it wan't.... |
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| 20:55.37 | mirak | chops: I have just seen that, I will retry that |
| 20:55.39 | Ramattack | by the debian stock kernel.. |
| 20:55.42 | chops | mirak: Once you've recovered all the sectors that can actually be recovered, make a scratch copy of the filesystem thus recovered, and start playing with fsck and such on the scratch copy. If it's just a few sectors most of your data should still be intact. |
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| 20:55.58 | enouf | Ramattack: which controller? - try a kmuto kernel then |
| 20:55.59 | valdyn | mirak: ddrescue and dd_rescue are for rescueing from faulty media |
| 20:56.02 | jim | what version did you try, exact text of the package name and version please |
| 20:56.09 | chops | Ramattack: Is it not supported by the version Debian provides, or is the driver just compiled as a module? |
| 20:56.22 | enouf | point |
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| 20:56.32 | Ramattack | the drivers was not supported then by debian... |
| 20:56.34 | enouf | might just be silly using it as a / FS |
| 20:56.46 | Ramattack | so I took a vanilla kernel and compiled it with debian config |
| 20:56.49 | jim | Ramattack: so... do you have the question you're being asked? |
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| 20:57.17 | mirak | chops: scatch copy ? I should mount the file as a device right ? |
| 20:57.30 | mirak | valdyn: what difference between ddrescue and gddrescue ? |
| 20:57.43 | valdyn | mirak: oh, no idea |
| 20:57.46 | jim | either you supply the info or you don't... that's your choice. if you choose not to, then you're wasting everyone's time |
| 20:57.49 | chops | mirak: Yes, but just make a copy of what you recovered from the disk before mucking with it |
| 20:57.49 | Ramattack | why could be causing those extrange behaviours in console wich with when you do for example man umount the cursos stops being intermittent for example and you should hit return some times for viewing results of a command |
| 20:57.55 | jim | which is also your choice. |
| 20:58.02 | chops | mirak: In case the next time you try dd noerror, it works a little less well |
| 20:58.03 | valdyn | mirak: i thought you were using dd, gddrescue is probably based on or using ddrescue |
| 20:58.08 | dazjorz | How do I check if quota support is compiled in to the kernel? |
| 20:58.29 | enouf | mirak: dd_rhelp might help you |
| 20:58.30 | jim | (including the time of the most important person here... YOU) |
| 20:58.36 | mirak | ok |
| 20:58.37 | valdyn | dazjorz: grep -i quota /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 20:59.06 | flynd | enouf: Looks like windows is still working (at least it's no worse than usual) so guess I didn't break it too bad. Thanks for the help. |
| 20:59.31 | enouf | flynd: welcome - and you always have mbr to reinstall if you ever need to :-) |
| 20:59.31 | dazjorz | valdyn: four lines, one of which: CONFIG_QUOTA=y |
| 20:59.36 | dazjorz | valdyn: sounds okay, isn't it? ;) |
| 20:59.41 | valdyn | dazjorz: yea |
| 21:00.07 | dazjorz | yay :) |
| 21:00.21 | enouf | dpkg: say she's dead jim |
| 21:00.22 | dpkg | she's dead jim |
| 21:00.23 | flynd | enouf: I still had the backups from last time I messed around with it. I think last time I reinstalled windows I lost my extended partition table and had to recreate it without backup |
| 21:00.28 | Omnistegan | Hey guys. My debian box on this network seems to load webpages very slowly. The windows computers on the network work fine. Any suggestions? I tried diabling ipv6 but it didn't make an effect. Maybe I disabled it wrong? |
| 21:00.44 | valdyn | Omnistegan: how did you disable ipv6? |
| 21:00.50 | enouf | flynd: ahhh -- that'll do it ;-) |
| 21:01.17 | ignu | If I am trying to install something that ends in '.deb' ... what do I do with it? (-noob) |
| 21:01.21 | chops | Omnistegan: Why do you believe it has anything to do with ipv6? It sounds like the first step would be to use wireshark to packet-sniff a session of trying to load a webpage, and see what might be going wrong. |
| 21:01.25 | chops | ignu: dpkg -i |
| 21:01.33 | valdyn | ignu: as a noob, you dont install it at all |
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| 21:01.40 | valdyn | ignu: use apt-get install or aptitude install |
| 21:01.40 | chops | ignu: That said, if you're a noob you should probably be using apt instead of dealing with .deb files by hand |
| 21:01.46 | chops | ignu: What valdyn said |
| 21:02.02 | jim | ignu: type into your shell: dpkg --help |
| 21:02.03 | Ramattack | well I'll take a look to it with perhaps another kernel or so... |
| 21:02.04 | Kevin` | Omnistegan re-enable ipv6, that only helps if you have a severely broken router and people shouldn't promote doing thhat. ipv6 is the future. anyway, your problem is probably using your isp nameservers directly without chaching. check what's in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:02.06 | valdyn | ignu: and that will fetch only stuff from your debian repositories |
| 21:02.10 | Ramattack | thanks a lot for you're ideas :) |
| 21:02.40 | Ramattack | bye good night! |
| 21:02.41 | japc | enouf: auto-completions sucks, i know |
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| 21:02.52 | enouf | haha - sowwy |
| 21:02.54 | Kiirani | Woo. my debian install's almost done |
| 21:02.58 | japc | :) |
| 21:03.03 | enouf | ;-) |
| 21:03.34 | Kiirani | Anything important I should install before I reboot? |
| 21:03.38 | Omnistegan | Kevin`: Search private, then 3 nameservers, including my router |
| 21:03.49 | Kevin` | Omnistegan is your router first? |
| 21:03.55 | Kiirani | I've got udev *shrug* |
| 21:04.14 | Omnistegan | Kevin`: yes |
| 21:04.29 | chops | Kiirani: There's nothing special about installing before you reboot -- you may want to install stuff _after_ you reboot, but that works too :-) |
| 21:04.50 | Kevin` | Omnistegan do a few test lookups to check the reliability and caching of it. try looking up google.com or such, see how long it takes. try it again and make sure it's faster and that the ttl decreases |
| 21:04.52 | ignu | I am rather a noob, but what I've done is to load basic debian with no software selected. Then I did 'aptitude install xorg fluxbox gdm' ... now I'm trying to get wicd to work ( http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wicd/wicd_1.4.2-1-all.deb?modtime=1203246585&big_mirror=0 ) |
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| 21:05.18 | valdyn | ignu: why are you already trying to run software that is not in debian? |
| 21:05.20 | Kiirani | chops - Well, yes :P But i found that the debootstrap system was missing things like .. udev.. :P So I figure I'll ask if there's anything else important that it might not have |
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| 21:05.29 | valdyn | ignu: *maybe* network-manager is just ok for you |
| 21:06.06 | Kevin` | bbl |
| 21:06.15 | chops | ignu: That package looks like an Ubuntu... installing it on Debian may not work particularly well |
| 21:06.18 | ignu | I need a network manager for my wireless (and NetworkManager won't let me stay in fluxbox ... and had too many gnome dependencies) |
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| 21:06.35 | valdyn | ignu: thats true |
| 21:06.36 | Danker | What is good tool to get info about partition (size, filesyste, filesystem's options)? |
| 21:06.40 | spacemonkey | the server doesnt show up in the webmin list, but i can get to it my manually adding it to the url, but it says user root is denied |
| 21:06.45 | spacemonkey | whoops |
| 21:06.48 | chops | !webmin |
| 21:06.48 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 21:07.03 | valdyn | ignu: "dpkg -i wicd*deb ; apt-get -f install". If that doesnt get this going you probably cant use that package |
| 21:07.06 | jim | when I get to the add printer dialog, it wants a password |
| 21:07.07 | chops | Kiirani: Oh, debootstrap. Well, as long as you've got a kernel and bootloader, you should probably be all set. |
| 21:07.11 | ben_goodger | hello |
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| 21:07.21 | mirak | valdyn: enouf chops it seems ddrescue is the c version of what dd_rhelp does |
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| 21:07.36 | Kiirani | chops - Kernel just compiled and installed, so yep, fingers crossed. |
| 21:07.40 | phorce1 | Is there a way to tell if a module is actually being used? I just spent 2 days trying to get the drivers for a DVB-S card compiled and installed and it seems that the manufacturer's open-source driver package uses a standard Windows "scattergun" approach. It compiles 30+ modules for multiple versions of their cards then 'insmod's all of them to make sure the one required is loaded. And they aren't named logically with a card-name so I don't know which I REAL |
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| 21:07.53 | Omnistegan | Kevin`: It takes a long time looking up the page, and then loads at a reasnoable rate, then when I try the page again it's almost instant. |
| 21:08.05 | ben_goodger | is there any reasonably simple way of getting a program to "render to" a non-local X server? i.e. I would like to have transmission running on my server but with the window running on my desktop |
| 21:08.10 | chops | phorce1: You could load them one by one and see which one makes your hardware start working :-) |
| 21:08.20 | chops | ben_goodger: ssh -X |
| 21:08.26 | Kiirani | ben_goodger - You could try ssh with X forwarding |
| 21:08.38 | ben_goodger | ah |
| 21:08.39 | ben_goodger | thanks |
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| 21:09.20 | valdyn | ben_goodger: you want to use something that does not use X at all for software that runs for a long time ( like days and more ) |
| 21:09.45 | phorce1 | chops: That's what I was afraid of. Playing with it now trying to find something that properly supports diseqc 1.2 to make my motorized system tune to the correct birds so it's difficult to tell when it *IS* working at the moment. <heh> |
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| 21:10.07 | ben_goodger | valdyn: I'd love to; unfortunately, transmission is the only client that runs acceptably |
| 21:10.09 | Eulex | </heh> |
| 21:10.17 | valdyn | ben_goodger: rtorrent doesnt? |
| 21:10.23 | ben_goodger | nope |
| 21:10.24 | chops | phorce1: There's a reference count displayed in lsmod, but it sounds like the driver author may possibly not have entirely dotted all their I's and crossed their T's... |
| 21:10.29 | valdyn | ah weird |
| 21:10.39 | ben_goodger | utorrent, azureus, rtorrent, bittorrent all run horribly |
| 21:10.47 | chops | ben_goodger: How "run horribly"? |
| 21:10.59 | ben_goodger | hm |
| 21:11.01 | valdyn | ben_goodger: whats working bad with rtorrent though? |
| 21:11.21 | ben_goodger | crash my router while not downloading much and eventually dying, regardless of torrent health |
| 21:11.32 | valdyn | ben_goodger: just courous because im running it for extended times w/o any issues |
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| 21:11.47 | ben_goodger | I was using... oh, I forgot |
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| 21:11.53 | chops | ben_goodger: If running particular software crashes your router, I would blame your router and not rtorrent... |
| 21:11.56 | valdyn | ben_goodger: it can be demanding on cheap routers i suppose |
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| 21:12.14 | phorce1 | chops: What was a pin is that the driver isn't ALL open source. There is one file, for one card, that they do not include in the package. But their makefile mess calls for it with a #defne. Multiple makefiles called from one another and I had to pick around and fine the right place to insert a #undef to make it compile at all |
| 21:12.19 | chops | ben_goodger: Are you sure it's your router and not your ISP cleverly simulating a dead router until a new DHCP request comes? :-) |
| 21:12.25 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 21:12.34 | chops | phorce1: Sounds like a blast |
| 21:12.43 | wols | p2p software is notorious for crashing marginal routers |
| 21:12.49 | confrey | can you help me? I'm trying to set a minimal debian environment |
| 21:12.54 | ben_goodger | nope, the problem goes away after a while |
| 21:12.56 | ktwilight_ | is there a definitive howto for creating debian installers? |
| 21:13.12 | wols | confrey: get a netinst and don't isntall anything with tasksel at the end. done |
| 21:13.15 | chops | ktwilight_: debian-installer is documented, if that's what you mean |
| 21:13.19 | ktwilight_ | confrey, just install the defaults and not check anything else towards the end of the installation, should give you the minimum. |
| 21:13.21 | Kiirani | Uh-uh. |
| 21:13.21 | wols | ben_goodger: not nough RAM |
| 21:13.22 | confrey | I use openbox and rox-filer |
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| 21:13.29 | ben_goodger | wols: 2 GiB |
| 21:13.34 | confrey | I installed openoffice, from tar.gz, I can see the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, but I haven't related menu voices |
| 21:13.40 | wols | ben_goodger: your router doesn't have 2GB RAM |
| 21:13.43 | phorce1 | rtorrent is running 24/7 here with no problems. And was running at home for months on a WRT54G (hacked) |
| 21:13.46 | wols | you are lucky if it has 16MB |
| 21:13.46 | chops | confrey: Why didn't you just install the Debian packages? |
| 21:13.47 | ben_goodger | well, the router is admittedly shite, but transmission manages not to crash it |
| 21:13.50 | ktwilight_ | chops, awesome! thanks, it's exactly what i need! |
| 21:13.53 | chops | ktwilight_: np |
| 21:14.04 | confrey | ktwilight_, thanks, but I have just installed |
| 21:14.14 | chops | ben_goodger: I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other torrent clients have an option to limit simultaneous connections |
| 21:14.20 | Omnistegan | kevin`: According to wireshark, it seems that every ICMP packet is failing. |
| 21:14.22 | ben_goodger | they do |
| 21:14.25 | ben_goodger | they don't work. |
| 21:14.29 | wols | confrey: we don't support openoffice tar.gz files. ask openoffice instead |
| 21:14.36 | ben_goodger | I have transmission's disabled |
| 21:14.40 | chops | Omnistegan: What do you mean "failing"? |
| 21:14.42 | wols | we cannot support non debian software |
| 21:14.49 | confrey | chops, because I want to move the openoffice installation in a neutral position, for using it in other distribution |
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| 21:15.00 | confrey | oops |
| 21:15.07 | Omnistegan | chops: "Destination unreachable (Port unreachable)" |
| 21:15.10 | ben_goodger | I was using torrentflux to control rtorrent, and it'd just sit there doing nothing. utorrent and azureus were marginally better. transmission exceeds 0.1 * my bandwidth for the first time ever, and doesn't flood my port 80 connection list |
| 21:15.16 | confrey | wols, because I want to move the openoffice installation in a neutral position, for using it in other distribution |
| 21:15.28 | chops | Omnistegan: What operation to what IP gives you that message? What changes when it finally succeeds? |
| 21:15.36 | wols | confrey: we don't care about other distros. ask ##linux then. we only care about debian |
| 21:15.40 | ktwilight_ | ben1597, which version of debian? |
| 21:15.42 | wols | this is a distro specifc channel |
| 21:15.46 | ktwilight_ | uh, ben_goodger |
| 21:15.48 | ktwilight_ | sorry. |
| 21:15.55 | wols | apart from that: check the menu package |
| 21:16.14 | ben_goodger | that would be lenny, though it was like that on etch before [and ktorrent/torrentflux were on etch] |
| 21:16.19 | valdyn | so basically is a very limited low performance torrent client |
| 21:16.27 | chops | confrey: Why not just use the packaged openoffice in each distribution? It'll work better in both than the "neutral" one will in either. |
| 21:16.31 | valdyn | because your router cant handle to more demanding ones.. |
| 21:16.33 | wols | ben_goodger: it's not a problem of debian but your router |
| 21:16.41 | ben_goodger | there is no problem! |
| 21:16.48 | valdyn | bad luck i suppose |
| 21:16.49 | wols | too much connections for the router to deal with, filling its ram and it doesn't know how to deal with that |
| 21:16.54 | ben_goodger | I wanted X tunnelling, not torrent help |
| 21:17.04 | Omnistegan | chops: Any IP, just loading webpages. And they never do suceed, they all fail. |
| 21:17.06 | ben_goodger | I'm happy with transmission. the only trouble is that my /home is located on my server, so I'm wasting a lot of NFS traffic while running it on this system |
| 21:17.07 | wols | when the connection's TIME_WAIT closes and the sockets are discarded, the router works again like magic |
| 21:17.18 | confrey | chops, you talk right, but this is not important |
| 21:17.24 | valdyn | ben_goodger: i would not do ssh -X |
| 21:17.33 | wols | ben_goodger: you talk a lot about torrents for wanting tunneling help |
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| 21:17.42 | valdyn | ben_goodger: for this purpose you can run transmission on the server on xvncserver |
| 21:17.47 | wols | note how as soon as the X server stops so do all clients |
| 21:17.56 | ben_goodger | wols: I was answering irrelevant questions from yourself and others |
| 21:18.00 | valdyn | ben_goodger: and monitor / display that vnc display _anywhere_ |
| 21:18.16 | confrey | I don't understand why I haven't openoffice menu voices in openbox menu, while I can see .desktop files in /usr /share/applcations |
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| 21:18.44 | JoeThomas | Hi, I have setup all of my computers to use static IPs on my network. Does this mean I can remove all dhcp packages on my debian install without breaking it? |
| 21:18.46 | chops | Omnistegan: You said they loaded slowly on Linux... are you now saying they don't load at all? |
| 21:18.48 | valdyn | ben_goodger: at least if you might need to quit X or reboot your displaying host thats a much better option |
| 21:19.24 | ben_goodger | valdyn: indeed, but ignoring the remote-control advantage, I'd prefer something more graceful |
| 21:19.42 | abrotman | JoeThomas: sounds plausible .. but what if you need dhcp somewhere that you can't install a package ? |
| 21:19.54 | chops | Omnistegan: Can you do _anything_ from the Linux machine? Is it just HTTP affected, or all network traffic? Is it possible that your site requires the use of a proxy, and your Debian machine isn't set up to use the proxy? |
| 21:20.01 | JoeThomas | abrotman: Why would it matter if this pc will always be static on the network? |
| 21:20.24 | Omnistegan | chops: no, they load, but every ICMP packet fails. I don't know if that has something to do with why they load slowly, but all other protocols send and recieve fine. |
| 21:20.25 | JoeThomas | Sorry to confuse you but, this machine is NOT a router. |
| 21:20.43 | ben_goodger | I will look at vnc and/or ssh in any case, thanks |
| 21:21.01 | chops | Omnistegan: Why is your web browser sending ICMP? It shouldn't do that. Can you post the packet capture data somewhere (after making sure that it doesn't contain any sensitive data)? |
| 21:21.48 | Omnistegan | chops: I'm on the linux machine now. I've never dealt with proxies before on this network, and like I said, all the windows machines work fine. Now that I think of it, even an EEEpc worked fine, so it's only this linux |
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| 21:22.16 | abrotman | JoeThomas: what about the possibility of using a remote VPN ? |
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| 21:22.33 | abrotman | JoeThomas: i wasn't confused .. but i didn't know if perhaps they were laptops or something more mobile |
| 21:23.46 | eimajenthat | Hey, I'm GREPing a line of output from another command, but I really only want the first 15 characters to be displayed on the screen. Is there an easy way to do this? |
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| 21:24.13 | JoeThomas | abrotman: alright didn't know if I sounded like it was a router.But, what I'm really not getting is why would I need to have DHCP on the machine if it's connected via static IP wired. |
| 21:25.11 | JoeThomas | abrotman: I really don't do any VPN or anything through another computer to access this. Besides SSH. |
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| 21:25.41 | chops | eimajenthat: cmd | grep foo | head -c15; echo |
| 21:25.58 | RSi | how can i turn off the power saving features that turns off my monitor? |
| 21:26.08 | ktwilight_ | according to the doc for debian-installer, it needs initrd support for the kernel deb. is it absolutely necessary even though you know what components you need to boot? |
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| 21:26.36 | RSi | i think i keep getting KPs but there are no messages in my logs |
| 21:27.10 | RSi | so i wanted to see if anything got outputted to the screen, but after the machine goes down i cannot get the monitor to turn on and im thinking its due to the power saving feature |
| 21:27.25 | chops | ktwilight_: If you compile everything you need to boot into the kernel, I don't believe an initrd is still necessary. That said, it tends to be easier to use the initrd than not. |
| 21:27.38 | ktwilight_ | chops, easier in what sense? |
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| 21:28.07 | chops | ktwilight_: Easier to use an initrd than to make sure that _everything_ you need to boot has been enabled (which it certainly isn't in the stock Debian kernel config) |
| 21:28.20 | ktwilight_ | ah i see. |
| 21:28.39 | ktwilight_ | i'll give it a go. thanks! :) |
| 21:28.44 | chops | ktwilight_: I don't even know for sure that the initrd is not required to boot at this point (for some strange udev-related reason); I just know that the last time I checked it was possible to boot Debian kernels without initrds by enabling everything needed. |
| 21:28.56 | abrotman | he ran away! |
| 21:29.02 | cafuego | chops: no, monolithic kernels work fine still. |
| 21:29.07 | ktwilight_ | yup, i boot without initrd |
| 21:29.15 | ktwilight_ | but am just wondering if it's true for the installer |
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| 21:29.17 | cafuego | abrotman: you are surprised? |
| 21:29.18 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, who did? |
| 21:29.22 | abrotman | not you! |
| 21:29.25 | takahiro | hello. how do i reset my root password? i forgot it |
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| 21:29.28 | abrotman | cafuego: happens a lot |
| 21:29.31 | abrotman | !tell takahiro about ifrp |
| 21:29.32 | ktwilight_ | joethomas? |
| 21:29.43 | cafuego | ktwilight_: If it had all drivers for your specific hardware installed, a monolithic installer would work fine too. |
| 21:29.43 | ktwilight_ | nm :) |
| 21:29.53 | ktwilight_ | cafuego, hm |
| 21:30.07 | cafuego | ktwilight_: Sadly that wouldn't work for all hw cfgs out there,. the kernel would be too big, hence initrd. |
| 21:30.14 | ktwilight_ | looking at the howto, it sure looks like alot of work to get a custom installer cd |
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| 21:31.15 | cafuego | abrotman: people leaving or you being surprised? :-) |
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| 21:31.30 | abrotman | people leaving .. #debian never ceases to surprise me :) |
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| 21:32.04 | takahiro | i added init=/bin/sh to my GRUB line, but when it boots, it still takes me to a regular "debian login:" prompt, and i dont know the root password yet |
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| 21:32.11 | takahiro | what is wrong? |
| 21:32.55 | abrotman | cafuego: they won't want to go when you do open the door |
| 21:33.33 | takahiro | oh here we go |
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| 21:33.57 | takahiro | now, when im in sh-3.1# passwd, and i enter the same password twice, it says "passwd: Authentication token lock busy, passwd: password unchanged" |
| 21:34.04 | takahiro | how do i change my password? |
| 21:34.16 | ktwilight_ | FAI vs d-i, both are essentially the same, where you custom build the distro, but the usage is different? |
| 21:34.51 | cafuego | abrotman: yeah, they've been whining for half an hour, they REALLY want to go |
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| 21:35.08 | abrotman | !tell takahiro about ifrp |
| 21:35.13 | cafuego | takahiro: hint: the root fielsystem is mounted read-only. |
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| 21:35.30 | dnanar | hi ! |
| 21:35.30 | abrotman | the damn bot tells you how |
| 21:35.37 | cafuego | takahiro: ... which makes it really hard for passwd to update /etc/shadow :-) |
| 21:35.42 | wols | don't damn the bot! |
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| 21:36.18 | cafuego | no ancient rituals here, just us cookies |
| 21:36.24 | takahiro | ooooh |
| 21:36.26 | takahiro | thx |
| 21:36.30 | cafuego | np |
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| 21:37.09 | dnanar | i'm trying to install php5/apache2 on my computer... but when i open http://localhost/index.php, my browser tries to download the .php instead of downloading it... and i installed libapache2-mod-php5 ! does anyone have a clue please ? |
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| 21:37.37 | wols | dnanar: mimetype didn't set properly |
| 21:37.48 | drwahl | dnanar: make sure the module is being loaded correctly |
| 21:37.48 | cafuego | dnanar: Make sure the php5 module is enabled, estart apache, empty the browser cache, restart the browser. |
| 21:37.52 | wols | grep -r php /etc/apache2/* |
| 21:38.02 | cafuego | 'a2enmod php5' |
| 21:38.40 | cafuego | firefox has a nasty habit of caching the incorrect headers and redownlaoding even after it actually works. |
| 21:38.51 | danand | ktwilight_ - I have used fai in the past to install a beowulf cluster with Debian. |
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| 21:38.53 | abrotman | it's not just FF .. it's gecko |
| 21:38.56 | abrotman | and a few other browsers |
| 21:39.11 | cafuego | Evil, I tell you. |
| 21:39.23 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
| 21:39.55 | odysseas | I'm having trouble installing ssl-cert on lenny, it just hangs at "Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.15) ...". Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 21:39.57 | dnanar | and... how to enable the php5 module please ? it seems that it is not |
| 21:40.05 | cafuego | 'a2enmod php5' |
| 21:40.22 | Supaplex | dnanar: use the HEAD user agent. it won't fetter with caching |
| 21:40.41 | dnanar | wols: http://pastie.caboo.se/157204 ? |
| 21:40.46 | Supaplex | libwww-perl: /usr/bin/HEAD |
| 21:40.48 | ktwilight_ | danand, have you tried d-i? how does it compare with fai? |
| 21:41.01 | Supaplex | dnanar: same goes for GET :) my bad. |
| 21:41.14 | abrotman | dnanar: a2enmod php5 |
| 21:41.27 | dnanar | where to abrotman please ? apache2.conf ? |
| 21:41.29 | abrotman | and grep won't really help |
| 21:41.36 | abrotman | dnanar: it's a command .. as root `a2enmod php5` |
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| 21:42.30 | danand | ktwilight_ - never used d-i ... so sorry wouldn't know. you'll have to excuse me - i'm playing catch up here a bit.... if you let me know briefly what your trying to do maybe i could tell you if fai would be suited or not |
| 21:42.46 | cafuego | and then (as root) invoke-rc.d apache2 restart |
| 21:43.06 | dnanar | abrotman: hum that doesn't work |
| 21:43.14 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 21:43.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:43.16 | dnanar | i still get the "download page" |
| 21:43.25 | abrotman | dnanar: clear your browser cache .. restart your browser |
| 21:43.49 | dnanar | ah that's work now |
| 21:43.52 | dnanar | sorry :-) |
| 21:43.54 | ktwilight_ | danand, i'll be having a bunch of new servers coming in, etch's kernel won't be able to support such new hardwares, so compiling my own kernel is a must. atm, it seems d-i can do the job, and quickly looking at fai, it seems that i can't have my custom kernel in there? am just trying to find an easy way to install etch to new machines. |
| 21:44.05 | wols | ktwilight_: it is not a must |
| 21:44.09 | wols | !tell ktwilight_ about kmuto |
| 21:44.43 | danand | ktwilight_ - how many servers will you be getting? |
| 21:44.43 | wols | !tell ktwilight_ about customcd |
| 21:44.52 | wols | !tell ktwilight_ about custom cd |
| 21:45.06 | ktwilight_ | hm, i know about etch-n-half, but it won't be released anytime soon? |
| 21:45.20 | ktwilight_ | danand, just two at the moment, and will be more in 3months |
| 21:45.46 | ktwilight_ | wols, read those, thanks :) |
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| 21:46.08 | chops | ktwilight_: How many new servers? |
| 21:46.17 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 21:46.17 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:46.19 | ktwilight_ | chops, just two at the moment, and will be more in 3months |
| 21:46.23 | abrotman | ktwilight_: it depends on your hardware .. how do you know it's not supported ? |
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| 21:46.49 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, 'cuz i have the same setup on my other machine? and it needed a custom kernel. |
| 21:46.56 | chops | ktwilight_: For two, it'll be infinitely easier to handle it at install-time (even if that means changing sources.list to include backports and installing a new kernel rather than kmuto) than to make a custom installer |
| 21:46.57 | abrotman | what kind of "server" is this? |
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| 21:47.20 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, ? |
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| 21:47.50 | abrotman | ktwilight_: ! |
| 21:48.06 | ktwilight_ | chops, true, but e.g. the nvidia SATA is not supported. so i won't be able to install to a sata disk, except ide. which means, i need to install to an ide, upgrade, then dd back to sata |
| 21:48.15 | abrotman | server .. nvidia sata? |
| 21:48.42 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, please dont diss the hardware components :) |
| 21:48.48 | chops | ktwilight_: kmuto kmuto kmuto :-) |
| 21:48.55 | abrotman | ktwilight_: that's what i asked "what kind of 'server' is this" :) |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | ktwilight_: try the kmuto stuff .. should work for you |
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| 21:49.14 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, well, that question isn't clear to me ;) |
| 21:49.23 | wols | ktwilight_: why not? |
| 21:49.32 | ktwilight_ | why not...? |
| 21:49.49 | ktwilight_ | hm, vserver only supports 2.6.22, and kmuto doesn't have it? |
| 21:49.53 | abrotman | i think he meant my "what kind of server" question |
| 21:50.00 | abrotman | kmuto has a 2.6.24 |
| 21:50.08 | abrotman | and a 2.6.22 somewhere i think |
| 21:50.16 | Purdy | is there a way to test an upgrade before doing the upgrade? looking for some sort of emulator that i can run on the same hardware/server w/o messing up the current server |
| 21:50.26 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, buried :) |
| 21:50.27 | chops | Purdy: LVM snapshots |
| 21:50.28 | danand | ktwilight_ - hmmm.. fai is usually only worth the investment in time if your installing to a lot of machines. however, depending on how exotic the setup you require on the new servers is and how many your getting in the future, fai _may_ be worth a look. Essentially fai works on a server / client basis. you install debian as usual on one server, install and configure fai to do what you want it to do, and all clients are installed via network. configuration |
| 21:50.31 | abrotman | oh .. he has the .21 and .23 |
| 21:50.34 | ktwilight_ | i see 2.6.21, 2.6.23 but no .22 |
| 21:50.36 | Purdy | i tried qemu, but it doesn't work w/o graphics |
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| 21:50.39 | abrotman | ktwilight_: it *only* works with .22 ? |
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| 21:50.47 | abrotman | ktwilight_: you realize .22 has security issues right ? |
| 21:50.47 | cafuego | ktwilight_: how new is that box? I've never come across an nvidia mobo that wasn't supported (except under winxp) |
| 21:50.47 | takahiro | how do i run apache as a non-root user? |
| 21:50.49 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, according to their docs, yes. |
| 21:50.58 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, the vmsplice security issue? |
| 21:51.02 | abrotman | among others |
| 21:51.11 | wols | takahiro: it already runs as non root |
| 21:51.14 | chops | takahiro: You can't (since it needs to bind to port 80) or it does already (once it binds to that port) :-) |
| 21:51.22 | danand | ktwilight_ - and bash scripts. and yes you can install your own custom kernel to clients. fai is a _very_ powerful bit of kit :) |
| 21:51.28 | ktwilight_ | cafuego, not sure when it's manufactured, but i just got one less than a month ago, and it has nvidia sata onbaord which .18 doesn't support |
| 21:51.29 | takahiro | wols: it says: Syntax error on line 125 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: |
| 21:51.29 | takahiro | Error:\tApache has not been designed to serve pages while\n\trunning as root. There are known race conditions that\n\twill allow any local user to read any file on the system. |
| 21:51.40 | abrotman | ktwilight_: does it have a legacy mode of some sort ? |
| 21:51.42 | Kiirani | I'm having issues booting a new debian system, the error given is.. Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevdudevd[1306]: init_udevd_socket: error getting socket: Address family not supported by protocol ... I've been going through my (vanilla) kernel config, under Device Drivers -> Generic Driver Options, there's "(/sbin/hotplug) path to uevent helper". There's no /sbin/hotplug (And 'which hotplug' comes up empty). aptitude install |
| 21:51.52 | cafuego | ktwilight_: it's not set to raid mode in the bios, is it? |
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| 21:52.02 | chops | takahiro: Have you configured it to run as root or something? It runs as non-root by default. |
| 21:52.13 | takahiro | chops: no... i just did apt-get install apache2 |
| 21:52.20 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, yup, i've changed the settings in bios, but it doesn't seem to be picked up by etch's kernel, strangely. |
| 21:52.20 | chops | Kiirani: Welcome to why not to run non-Debian kernels :-) |
| 21:52.43 | cafuego | Though I do guess .18 is somewhat ancient in user-hw land |
| 21:52.44 | ktwilight_ | cafuego, i've set it and unset it too |
| 21:52.45 | chops | ktwilight_: The Linux kernel frequently ignores BIOS settings and talks to the hardware directly |
| 21:52.49 | Kiirani | Haha. Okay then chops, how do I get a 2.6.24 kernel source through etch? |
| 21:52.52 | ktwilight_ | chops, ouch :/ |
| 21:52.55 | Hoxzer | s |
| 21:53.07 | takahiro | chops: on line 125, it says "www-data" is the User and "www-data" is the Group |
| 21:53.11 | wols | takahiro: then you have edited your apache2.conf badly |
| 21:53.13 | cafuego | Kiirani: Just fetch and build a vanilla kernel |
| 21:53.21 | takahiro | wols: i haven't edited it |
| 21:53.23 | chops | Kiirani: Grab kernel-source-2.6.24 from sid, use make-kpkg to build a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 21:53.27 | Kiirani | cafuego - I did, see a little bit above for my udev issues |
| 21:53.30 | ktwilight_ | danand, i seee. thanks for your input :) i'll probably give it a few hours and check it out |
| 21:53.36 | abrotman | ktwilight_: i could let you guess why it doesn't work ... |
| 21:53.37 | chops | Kiirani: Or use vanilla sources if you prefer. Base it on the Debian kernel config and use an initrd, though. |
| 21:53.43 | Kiirani | Hell no.. |
| 21:53.47 | wols | takahiro: depand apache config works. check waht line 125 does |
| 21:53.50 | cafuego | Kiirani: You missed some vital drivers then - oops :-) |
| 21:53.52 | wols | *debian |
| 21:53.55 | takahiro | 125 User www-data |
| 21:53.55 | takahiro | 126 Group www-data |
| 21:54.01 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, do tell, am a bad guesser as i'm still a noob ;) |
| 21:54.30 | Kiirani | cafuego - I don't think so. I've checked, filesystem, hdd.. You'd think I would get kernel panic if I missed vital device drivers.. Wouldn't I? |
| 21:54.39 | abrotman | ktwilight_: nvidia hardware sucks :) |
| 21:54.42 | danand | ktwilight_ - the fai homepage should help you decide. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 21:54.43 | wols | takahiro: purge and reinstall your apache2 then as shortest workaround |
| 21:54.45 | takahiro | how do i check if www-data has root privileges? |
| 21:54.56 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, haha |
| 21:55.00 | wols | takahiro: it doesn't and it shouldn't |
| 21:55.04 | takahiro | wols: how do i purge? apt-get remove apache2 && apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 21:55.08 | wols | apache starts as root and switches to www-data |
| 21:55.08 | Kiirani | chops - Respectfully, I'd prefer to configure and compile myself, without this initrd thing. It was a bother last time I tried to set up debian. |
| 21:55.12 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, shower me with millions, and i'll make sure i get top of the line hardware ;) |
| 21:55.13 | chops | Kiirani: That looks like it's caused by misconfiguration. You're free to try to solve it your way -- I'm just telling you how I think will be the easiest way to proceed. |
| 21:55.17 | wols | !tell takahiro about apt howto |
| 21:55.20 | bush|werk | takahiro: apt-get remove --purge |
| 21:55.22 | Kiirani | Bleh, okay. |
| 21:55.36 | Kiirani | in the meantime.. I'll copy /sbin/hotplug from this system and see if that fixesi t. |
| 21:55.37 | wols | !tell takahiro about remove apache |
| 21:55.37 | abrotman | ktwilight_: doesn't take millions .. but that's not really the topic here ... |
| 21:55.44 | ktwilight_ | :) |
| 21:56.04 | chops | Kiirani: Unpack source, copy config, make-kpkg --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot binary-arch |
| 21:56.12 | chops | Kiirani: Install .deb. You're done. |
| 21:57.06 | Kiirani | chops - until I need to configure grub, anyway. |
| 21:57.27 | chops | Kiirani: Unless you've mucked about with Debian's grub config, you won't need to. It'll be handled like a Debian kernel. |
| 21:57.32 | Kiirani | Sorry, I'm a gentoo user :) I don't think you can convert me. |
| 21:57.32 | cafuego | Kiirani: Not really, no. Missing socket thingie would impl;y you missed an option under networking. |
| 21:57.36 | Kiirani | chops - I wrote grub.conf myself |
| 21:57.41 | Kiirani | (yes it's a symlink to menu.lst) |
| 21:57.49 | chops | Kiirani: If you mucked with Debian's automatic configuration of grub... well, you can't very well complain that you have to do grub yourself, can you? :-) |
| 21:57.59 | abrotman | ktwilight_: i am wondering why your stuff only works with 2.6.22 |
| 21:58.22 | Kiirani | chops - I didn't muck around with any automatic configuration. I just wrote it myself.. The same way I do for my kernel on this machine.. Which doesn't include any of this initrd stuff :P |
| 21:58.32 | Kiirani | cafuego - Thanks, I'll poke around there. |
| 21:58.34 | chops | Kiirani: Okay, best of luck then. |
| 21:58.56 | Kiirani | Thank you, chops :) |
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| 21:59.05 | chops | Kiirani: np |
| 21:59.32 | dante_2core | Kiirani, uhm - are you the one also being in #regnumonline? |
| 21:59.35 | Kiirani | Heh, I know I'm not doing anything the debian way. Honestly, I'm only installing debian because I want a binary based package manager, and to try something new. |
| 21:59.39 | Kiirani | dante_2core - Hello! |
| 21:59.41 | Kiirani | Yes. |
| 21:59.50 | dante_2core | Kiirani, :D greetings - saw my new ROscript? |
| 22:00.01 | takahiro | i did a remove --purge, and it said "apache2 is not installed" |
| 22:00.07 | takahiro | which is weird, because i just installed it |
| 22:00.11 | Kiirani | Probably not, I haven't been arnd for a while. Query me, I'll talk to you a bit later when I've got this system booting |
| 22:00.15 | chops | takahiro: How'd you install it? |
| 22:00.16 | danand | ktwilight_ - update!! apparently things have moved on a bit sinced i last used fai... you can now use it to create custom cd's so no network or fai server is required. that may mean fai is better suited to your needs than i originally thought :) |
| 22:00.22 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, *shrugs* i just follow what docs say. vserver's stable utils and patches is 2.6.22.18, and they are still working out some issues with .24. anything more, i've no idea :) |
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| 22:01.02 | ktwilight_ | danand, yup, you can do usb too. at first glance, it doesn't provide much docs on what it involves. but i'll give it a few hours :) |
| 22:01.08 | takahiro | chops: apt-get install apache2 |
| 22:01.26 | abrotman | takahiro: apache2.2-common |
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| 22:01.31 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, the homepage of vserver http://www.linux-vserver.org shows |
| 22:01.32 | wols | takahiro: apt-get remove apach2 won't remove your apache |
| 22:01.38 | abrotman | takahiro: and start using aptitude |
| 22:01.42 | wols | just fyi |
| 22:01.49 | takahiro | what is aptitude? |
| 22:01.56 | wols | !tell takahiro about aptitude |
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| 22:02.01 | chops | takahiro: What's 'dpkg -l apache*' say? (Use pastebin please) |
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| 22:02.13 | chops | takahiro: Er, sorry: dpkg -l 'apache*' |
| 22:02.49 | takahiro | pastebin? |
| 22:02.55 | chops | !tell takahiro about pastebin |
| 22:03.17 | takahiro | http://rafb.net/p/dp7VCA14.html |
| 22:03.39 | abrotman | takahiro: apache2.2-common |
| 22:03.58 | takahiro | ok |
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| 22:04.02 | danand | ktwilight_ - from what i remember the really difficult (read time consuming) part of fai back when i used it was setting up the fai server and network stuff (read dhcpd, dns, ntp etc etc). if fai now allows you to create a cd for your install and config of your machines then that has cut out a _lot_ of work. :) |
| 22:04.41 | takahiro | # apache2ctl start |
| 22:04.41 | takahiro | /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 80: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory |
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| 22:05.03 | wols | takahiro: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 22:05.16 | abrotman | didn't he just uninstall it ? |
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| 22:05.28 | takahiro | ii apache2-utils 2.2.3-4+etch4 utility programs for webservers |
| 22:05.28 | takahiro | ii apache2.2-common 2.2.3-4+etch4 Next generation, scalable, extenda |
| 22:05.29 | abrotman | takahiro: and you're supposed to use /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 22:05.32 | chops | takahiro: What abrotman said; purge apache2.2-common |
| 22:05.36 | wols | abrotman: that answers that |
| 22:05.38 | abrotman | wtf is he trying to do? |
| 22:05.51 | action09 | hmm any clue please on a Dell 2950 , i have to install etch on it, at install, do i have to choose linux-image-2.6.16-1-amd64-smp kernel ? |
| 22:05.51 | wols | abrotman: he has a broken apach2.conf |
| 22:05.53 | ktwilight_ | danand, that is time consuming! i tried pxe boot once, and it sure took some time |
| 22:05.56 | takahiro | i just did apt-get remove --purge apache2.2-common |
| 22:05.56 | chops | abrotman: His apache is trying to run as root (and refusing) for some odd reason |
| 22:06.08 | ktwilight_ | abrotman, got a doc to read up on apt-get vs aptitude? or is it a simple one-liner answer? |
| 22:06.15 | wols | so purge it and reinstall apache. but he's a bit too sunday-addicted to be able to do it it seems |
| 22:06.24 | wols | !tell ktwilight_ about why aptitude |
| 22:06.25 | bush|werk | ktwilight_: man apt-get |
| 22:06.39 | wols | takahiro: if you did it wouldn't be installed still |
| 22:06.55 | ktwilight_ | wols, aha, sounds convincing. |
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| 22:07.02 | takahiro | wols: well i re-installed it like you said |
| 22:07.02 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 22:07.03 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 22:07.13 | abrotman | chops: he has no apache installed ? |
| 22:07.25 | abrotman | chops: and he's using apache2ctl ? |
| 22:07.28 | chops | abrotman: He has apache2-mpm-prefork installed (or did) |
| 22:07.40 | chops | abrotman: It was just that the 'apache2' package was not installed |
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| 22:07.49 | abrotman | takahiro: aptitude install apache2 .. then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 22:07.53 | wols | takahiro: no you didn't |
| 22:08.41 | takahiro | http://rafb.net/p/x5PfIn33.html |
| 22:08.49 | takahiro | here is the result of doing "aptitude install apache2" |
| 22:09.06 | abrotman | takahiro: did oyu modify the init script ? |
| 22:09.19 | takahiro | init script??? whats that |
| 22:09.24 | abrotman | takahiro: aptitude purge apache2.2-common && aptitude install apache2 |
| 22:09.24 | chops | takahiro: Did you purge and reinstall apache-2.2-common and apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 22:09.39 | abrotman | takahiro: are you being paid for this? |
| 22:09.51 | wols | abrotman: for the trolling or adminning? |
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| 22:10.02 | takahiro | chgrp: invalid group `www-data' |
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| 22:10.10 | abrotman | takahiro: aptitude purge apache2.2-common && aptitude install apache2 |
| 22:10.19 | wols | abrotman: he didn't purge the apach2.3-common |
| 22:10.29 | abrotman | he doesn't have 2.3 |
| 22:10.33 | wols | 2.2 |
| 22:10.40 | abrotman | no idea what apach is :) |
| 22:10.53 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite wols |
| 22:11.09 | takahiro | http://rafb.net/p/xCyaJz36.html |
| 22:11.17 | takahiro | abrotman: thats the result |
| 22:11.34 | abrotman | takahiro: what is line 125 of your apache2.conf ? |
| 22:11.48 | takahiro | User www-data |
| 22:11.58 | chops | takahiro: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy apache2-common'? |
| 22:12.04 | chops | takahiro: And 'grep www-data /etc/passwd'? |
| 22:12.28 | takahiro | http://rafb.net/p/bv0ejK83.html |
| 22:12.40 | puff | I'm having a problem getting mailman re-installed. It was installed, then in the process of installing another package (xmlstarlet) it was accidentalyl de-installed, now when I "sudo aptitude install mailman" I get: |
| 22:12.43 | puff | http://pastebin.com/dd6ef805 |
| 22:12.50 | takahiro | http://rafb.net/p/MtlGej60.html |
| 22:12.51 | abrotman | takahiro: did you do something like make apache2ctl SUID ? |
| 22:12.57 | takahiro | no |
| 22:12.58 | chops | takahiro: Ahah |
| 22:13.04 | chops | takahiro: Your www-data user has UID 0 |
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| 22:13.11 | chops | takahiro: That is not a good idea |
| 22:13.16 | takahiro | what does that mean?? |
| 22:13.19 | eimajenthat | chops: thanks for the tip about 20 minutes ago. Exactly what I needed! |
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| 22:13.23 | chops | takahiro: And apache is wisely refusing to run in that situation. |
| 22:13.25 | puff | It *seems* to be installed, though. |
| 22:13.27 | chops | eimajenthat: np |
| 22:13.37 | takahiro | i don't even know what a UID 0 is |
| 22:13.51 | chops | takahiro: Are you the admin of this box? Someone set it up oddly. |
| 22:13.55 | drwahl | UID 0 is root |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | or cracked it |
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| 22:14.10 | takahiro | well it's been running for a long time just fine |
| 22:14.11 | chops | abrotman: ... |
| 22:14.16 | abrotman | what? |
| 22:14.25 | takahiro | it just broke today |
| 22:14.26 | chops | takahiro: Has it been running apache fine for that length of time? |
| 22:14.32 | action09 | I have to install kernel 2.- and after install choose :'"linux-image-2.6-vserver-em64t-p4-smp" ? |
| 22:14.34 | action09 | tia ! :) |
| 22:14.34 | chops | takahiro: What's the output of 'ls -l /etc/passwd'? |
| 22:14.38 | abrotman | chops: can i get a cookie now ? |
| 22:14.47 | chops | !cookie abrotman |
| 22:14.52 | abrotman | fail ... |
| 22:14.53 | takahiro | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1022 2008-02-26 13:08 /etc/passwd |
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| 22:15.10 | wols | abrotman: you don't like cookies? |
| 22:15.44 | takahiro | how do i revert my passwd file? |
| 22:15.56 | abrotman | takahiro: are you the admin or is someone else? |
| 22:15.59 | takahiro | i am the admin |
| 22:16.20 | abrotman | takahiro: what does `date` say on your machine ? |
| 22:16.24 | takahiro | somebody changed my root password without telling me though |
| 22:16.25 | chops | takahiro: Did you ever change the UID of www-data to 0? I am starting to agree with abrotman that your server may have been rooted |
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| 22:16.30 | takahiro | i think someone SSH'ed into my box |
| 22:16.35 | chops | takahiro: "Someone"? |
| 22:16.40 | takahiro | yeah |
| 22:16.43 | ktwilight_ | somebody you know? |
| 22:16.45 | takahiro | no |
| 22:16.52 | ktwilight_ | ouch |
| 22:16.54 | abrotman | takahiro: what does `date` return ? (and what timezone is the machine in?) |
| 22:17.01 | takahiro | Thu Feb 28 23:15:13 PST 2008 |
| 22:17.08 | abrotman | that's cute |
| 22:17.08 | chops | takahiro: Have you been applying security updates to this machine? I notice it's missing a kernel update... |
| 22:17.09 | takahiro | i am in PST |
| 22:17.17 | abrotman | only two days ahead .. |
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| 22:17.18 | chops | takahiro: It isn't the 28th yet in PST |
| 22:17.25 | abrotman | chops: or anywhere ... |
| 22:17.25 | takahiro | that is strange |
| 22:17.40 | ktwilight_ | i hope it's 25th today |
| 22:17.54 | chops | takahiro: I think it's time to think about reinstalling, migrating your data over to the new installation, and applying security updates next time :-( |
| 22:17.56 | takahiro | I didn't touch a single thing. It was serving my web pages just fine, and I only logged in to see why my website was down all of a sudden. |
| 22:18.12 | ktwilight_ | takahiro, you got cracked/hacked. |
| 22:18.16 | wols | it was down since you don't appl ysecurity updates |
| 22:18.33 | takahiro | then i realized my root password didn't work anymore, so i had to do a init=/bin/sh to my GRUB and reset it |
| 22:18.33 | abrotman | chops: it isn't even 1PM in any timezone that i'm aware of |
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| 22:18.46 | takahiro | :~( |
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| 22:18.53 | abrotman | on the 26th i mean |
| 22:19.04 | chops | takahiro: You have the consolation that at least whoever broke into your machine didn't seem too adept at concealing the fact |
| 22:19.18 | takahiro | how do i uncrack it |
| 22:19.22 | abrotman | you don't |
| 22:19.26 | chops | takahiro: Like I said... reinstall and migrate the data |
| 22:19.51 | abrotman | you think they would have at least added that start option to apache |
| 22:20.11 | takahiro | awwww |
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| 22:20.18 | takahiro | it took me forever to setup debian |
| 22:20.24 | abrotman | hope you took notes |
| 22:20.35 | takahiro | ok then thx guys |
| 22:20.37 | exprim | hehe |
| 22:20.43 | ktwilight_ | note taking sure is important |
| 22:20.51 | auto359 | abrotman: just flying thru, hi, keep the faith |
| 22:21.01 | abrotman | flying through where ? |
| 22:21.11 | auto359 | "here" |
| 22:21.41 | auto359 | me too, later |
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| 22:24.00 | chops | takahiro: Good luck |
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| 22:25.13 | Sabbalot_155555 | hey |
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| 22:37.15 | hellues | !paste |
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| 22:42.13 | adinc | i've difficulties with aspell, when spell checking german language files aspell breaks words before umlautes appear, did someone have this experience before? |
| 22:43.01 | \amethyst | adinc: what's your locale, and what is the encoding of the file? |
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| 22:43.54 | adinc | \amethyst: i use aspell out of a webmail frontent called horde. there the file is utf encoded, and my locale is english en_EN |
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| 22:44.05 | adinc | pardon, en_US |
| 22:44.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got an m560x-based webcam in my laptop, is the driver in a usable state yet? |
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| 22:47.29 | adinc | \amethyst: is there a conflict? |
| 22:47.57 | \amethyst | adinc: do you know how horde is invoking aspell? is it even trying the German-language dictionary? |
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| 22:49.19 | \amethyst | adinc: the problem is that you should either have a UTF-8 locale, or pass aspell the option --encoding=utf-8 |
| 22:49.32 | adinc | \amethyst: ok |
| 22:49.45 | zinx | Dark_Apostrophe: seems not, but you can try the one at https://sourceforge.net/projects/m560x-driver/ yourself and see |
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| 22:49.47 | \amethyst | adinc: when locale is en_US, aspell assumes the file is in the ISO-8859-1 encoding |
| 22:50.45 | adinc | \amethyst: i see |
| 22:50.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | zinx: Hrm... doesn't even seem alpha-level yet |
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| 22:51.30 | puff | Okay, so posts to mailman aren't going through. |
| 22:53.03 | yigal | this is a superficial question but I will ask anyways :) does anyone know when emerald will be included in compiz? |
| 22:53.23 | adinc | \amethyst: can i make sure my locale is en_US with utf8? |
| 22:54.03 | yigal | adinc: type in locale ? |
| 22:54.08 | adinc | yes |
| 22:54.14 | yigal | adinc: why not? |
| 22:54.24 | adinc | i don't know ;) |
| 22:54.33 | yigal | I don't know either ;) |
| 22:54.35 | adinc | i defined LANG=en_US and |
| 22:54.43 | adinc | i would need utf8 |
| 22:54.49 | adinc | how would i define it then? |
| 22:54.53 | yigal | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 22:55.16 | yigal | adinc: try see if you like |
| 22:55.19 | adinc | there was a way having debian update and generate these locals |
| 22:55.53 | yigal | dpkg-reconfigure locales - I believe? |
| 22:56.03 | adinc | rc.update yes |
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| 22:56.35 | yigal | so back to my superficial question |
| 22:56.39 | yigal | this is a superficial question but I will ask anyways :) does anyone know when emerald will be included in compiz? |
| 22:57.55 | Eulex | yigal, perhaps ask the emerald/compiz guys? |
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| 22:58.23 | puff | fatal: execvp /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman: No such file or directory |
| 22:58.25 | puff | Hm. |
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| 22:58.49 | yigal | Eulex: it is more a matter of packaging it in Debian :) but you may have a point |
| 22:58.58 | puff | And yet: ls -l /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman --> -rwxr-sr-x 1 root list 6740 Feb 28 2007 /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman |
| 23:03.34 | ponyofdeath | hi, i have a few variables like JAVA_HOME set in /etc/environment but when i try to start a bash scrip with sudo it says they are not set can someone please help? |
| 23:03.58 | drwahl | are the apps you are trying to run found in $PATH? |
| 23:04.19 | mutante | are they just set or does it also say "export" before? |
| 23:04.37 | ponyofdeath | mutante: in the environment file? |
| 23:05.00 | linkslice | new to debian and need to add an unstable mirror long enough to update clamav, but can't see how to do that |
| 23:05.14 | mutante | hmm, i guess, i didnt use that myself, but just shoved "export JAVA_HOME=.." into /etc/profile once again |
| 23:05.33 | drwahl | linkslice: vi /etc/apt/sources.list and add unstable to the repos. in there |
| 23:05.46 | drwahl | linkslice: then apt-get update |
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| 23:10.24 | chops | linkslice: Better to install it from backports |
| 23:10.58 | chops | linkslice: If you install it from unstable, it'll probably pull in all sorts of unstable dependencies (e.g. libc6) and people in here will be rude to you when you ask for support |
| 23:11.29 | chops | linkslice: Better yet, see volatile -- I believe that clamav is provided in volatile |
| 23:11.48 | Kiirani | chops, cafuego, problem was networking -> networking options -> unix domain sockets.. Actually, everything in there was disabled for some reason, not sure how I missed it. I guess I'm too used to the gentoo-sources defaults. Thanks for the help :) |
| 23:11.55 | linkslice | chops, i did update from volatile but that version is behind as well |
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| 23:12.01 | chops | Kiirani: np |
| 23:12.23 | chops | linkslice: Is it behind something that you need, or are you just suffering from a pressing need to have your version numbers as high as humanly possible? :-) |
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| 23:16.00 | drwahl | i was just talking to the net admin at my work here, and he said that he didnt like debian (he shoulda said apt) because it doesnt start you with the basics. i guess that he meant that the apt packages automate too much stuff maybe? anyone have any ideas or know anything about this? it seems as though .debs are as basic and fundamental as the next packages... |
| 23:16.26 | chops | drwahl: It is true that Debian automates a lot of stuff that you can learn by doing for yourself |
| 23:17.05 | chops | drwahl: It's designed for production use by skilled admins, not for use by inexperienced people or people looking to learn about Linux |
| 23:17.08 | drwahl | ya, i know the "debian way" is the automated way, but that doesnt seem like a bad thing to me. i guess that one mans trash is another mans treasure |
| 23:17.17 | chops | drwahl: Just different goals |
| 23:17.20 | craigevil | apt/aptitude saves you having to find all the depends yourself |
| 23:17.23 | drwahl | that makes sense |
| 23:17.46 | drwahl | other package managers do that as well though |
| 23:17.48 | chops | drwahl: Well, I don't know if making you learn about things by doing everything by hand is a "goal" of some distros per se... but it's what happens sometimes :-) |
| 23:18.13 | drwahl | *cough* gentoo *cough* |
| 23:18.17 | chops | drwahl: nod |
| 23:18.35 | chops | drwahl: gentoo strikes me as a good learning distribution (though I don't have experience with it) |
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| 23:19.06 | craigevil | sure if you feel like compiling everything and never actually getting to use your OS |
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| 23:19.20 | chops | craigevil: I used to feel like that :-) |
| 23:19.26 | drwahl | i learned on Red Hat myself (and about a month later, Fedora) then shortly (less than 6 months) moved to debian. i have been happy with it ever since :) |
| 23:19.27 | JesseT77 | Hai :) |
| 23:19.39 | drwahl | hello |
| 23:19.39 | chops | craigevil: They didn't have gentoo back then, so I would download source RPMs for distros other than my own and them beat them into working :-) |
| 23:19.48 | chops | craigevil: It taught me a lot... |
| 23:19.54 | chops | *and then beat |
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| 23:21.38 | JesseT77 | Do you know if there are any howtos for using debian as a router, that don't focus on customizing the box from the foundation up? I have need to do some routing on a debian box for a particular subnet, low volume, and the debian box is already doing other things. So we don't want to rebuild it from the ground up. :) Has iptables. |
| 23:22.23 | drwahl | JesseT77: well, obviously you can read up about iptables, there is also ipmasq that might help |
| 23:22.34 | drwahl | other than that i would say JFGI |
| 23:23.31 | Xenguy | JesseT77: if it is to be a gateway, and if you want a firewall, shorewall works well and will handle the ipmasq also |
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| 23:24.17 | Seb | how do I get the speed of my fan ? I though acpi (the binary) would do it, but it doesn't seem so |
| 23:24.24 | JesseT77 | I've been googling "debian router" but pretty much every hit assumes you are building one from scratch. I guess what I should be trying is "iptables router" or "ipmasq router" |
| 23:25.32 | Seb | JesseT77: try bastion |
| 23:26.04 | Seb | hrm |
| 23:26.07 | Seb | i mean shorewall |
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| 23:28.06 | JesseT77 | seb: xexguy: you do realize I'm trying to do this on a box that already has an OS, right? I unfortunately lack extra boxen to throw at this problem. ;) |
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| 23:28.29 | dkr | Seb: lm-sensors |
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| 23:29.11 | drwahl | JesseT77: are there enough resouces for a virtual machine? |
| 23:29.21 | Seb | JesseT77: do you think you could bother to "apt-cache show shorewall" |
| 23:29.32 | drwahl | JesseT77: if so, check out running m0n0wall as a vm for the routing |
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| 23:30.52 | octox2 | how secure is ssh right now? is it a terrible idea to leave it open to the internet? |
| 23:31.21 | drwahl | octox2: obviously if you do not have to, you should avoid it, but it is fairly secure these days |
| 23:31.38 | drwahl | obviously that is voided if your username/passwd are not secure |
| 23:31.55 | octox2 | drwahl: cool, that is the answer that i was looking for , thanks |
| 23:32.05 | chops | octox2: If you keep up with security updates, it should be quite secure; if you don't, it won't be after a while |
| 23:32.29 | drwahl | i had a box that had ssh running on it for about 3 years, never hacked once. then i setup a user for a classmate, and the user/pass was rusty/rusty. it only took like 3 days for some one unauthorized to get in |
| 23:32.34 | putridp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:33.45 | octox2 | yea, i will mostly be loggin in from behind the router, but i was just trying to go out and back in using the domain name to see if it will work :) |
| 23:34.26 | chops | drwahl: Yeah, I see dictionary attacks against my ssh servers from time to time... it's worth keeping the user list very tight. |
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| 23:41.00 | sebyte | hello channel. is there a way to set the umask of a process? e.g., i want files i check out of a version control system to always have the group write permission set. |
| 23:41.41 | kgoetz | dont you set perms for a vcs in the vcs? |
| 23:41.43 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: set it for the parent, and it should be inherited by the child. |
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| 23:42.14 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: generally not; about the only thing you'd normally set are +/-x |
| 23:42.51 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro: hm ok |
| 23:42.53 | Xenguy | JesseT77: back, yes I do realize that, you would just apt-get shorewall, then configure the firewall and ipmasq... |
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| 23:43.12 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: trying it now... |
| 23:43.28 | dondelelcaro | sebyte: that said, there's nothing stoping the VCS from calling umask() itself |
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| 23:43.35 | octox2 | hmm, I can login to my ssh if i do username@71.15.86.222, but if i do username@debserver.octra.info , it cant seem to find it ? any ideas? I can connect the first way so i know the ports are forwarded ok |
| 23:43.37 | Xenguy | octox2: changing the default port can work wonders =) |
| 23:43.41 | some_dude | i made a program from source, should I create a .deb file and install it or do a make install ? |
| 23:43.56 | dondelelcaro | some_dude: create a .deb if you can |
| 23:44.12 | dondelelcaro | some_dude: otherwise removal will be problematic. |
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| 23:44.17 | drwahl | octox2: ping debserver.octra.info and see if its the same ip |
| 23:44.29 | octox2 | yea, i can ping it too |
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| 23:44.43 | petemc | doesnt resolve here |
| 23:44.44 | drwahl | octox2: and they are the same ip!? odd |
| 23:44.44 | sebyte | dondelelcaro: nope. it makes no difference |
| 23:44.49 | tesla | hey guys, when running cedega how does one go about running no cd? having to use cd sucks ass |
| 23:44.57 | octox2 | yea the same |
| 23:45.03 | drwahl | tesla: it depends on the game |
| 23:45.13 | tesla | starcraft broodwar |
| 23:45.17 | drwahl | tesla: SOME games can use an image of the cd mounted on the system |
| 23:45.20 | zinx | tesla: patch it to the latest version |
| 23:45.30 | drwahl | tesla: starcraft is on that can do it |
| 23:45.36 | drwahl | or like zinx said |
| 23:45.38 | octox2 | drwahl: is the domain server not forwarding for all ports somehow? |
| 23:45.54 | drwahl | octox2: domain has nothing to do with ports, so that shouldnt be the issue |
| 23:46.06 | tesla | i was running no cd but im kinda noob ditched windows just because it frustrated me |
| 23:46.07 | octox2 | drwahl: that shouldnt matter right, it should just resolve the name and then use the IP from that point on right |
| 23:46.14 | petemc | octox2: ssh -vvv user@domain will tell you what its doing |
| 23:46.29 | tesla | losetup /dev/loop0 /home/tesla/starcraft_broodwar.iso |
| 23:46.37 | tesla | mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/cdrom |
| 23:46.48 | tesla | this doesnt work but it should somehow |
| 23:46.51 | tesla | what is missing? |
| 23:46.59 | drwahl | octox2: it looks like the domain isnt working here... |
| 23:47.07 | octox2 | petemc: you reveild th problem |
| 23:47.19 | octox2 | Connecting to debserver.octra.info [208.69.32.130] port 22 |
| 23:47.27 | octox2 | that isnt the right IP |
| 23:47.36 | drwahl | ah, that is what i was saying :) that is why i had you ping it :) |
| 23:47.41 | drwahl | to see if the ips were the same |
| 23:47.43 | octox2 | when I ping www.octra.info, it is the correct IP |
| 23:47.47 | some_dude | use a no CD crack |
| 23:47.53 | drwahl | that is a different domain though |
| 23:47.59 | drwahl | you need to make sure you ping the same one |
| 23:48.11 | drwahl | www.octra.info can be different than debserver.octra.info |
| 23:48.17 | drwahl | different ips that is |
| 23:48.52 | tesla | no cd was working then i restarted machine, and forgot how it was done so i dont need anything but the right commands |
| 23:48.53 | octox2 | isnnt debserver the host name, and octra.info the domain name? |
| 23:48.54 | tesla | to run it |
| 23:49.07 | tesla | losetup /dev/loop0 /home/tesla/starcraft_broodwar.iso |
| 23:49.19 | tesla | mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/cdrom |
| 23:49.31 | tesla | this should work, but something is missing |
| 23:49.33 | drwahl | octox2: it can be, but they can be differnt IPs. check out www.themanaworld.org and forums.themanaworld.org . they are the same domain with hosts on different IPs |
| 23:49.48 | tesla | keep in mind im very new at debian |
| 23:49.53 | tesla | hardly know any commands |
| 23:49.54 | tesla | yey |
| 23:49.56 | tesla | yet |
| 23:51.23 | octox2 | drwahl: ok, i see what you mean i think. I have control over the whole domain name, so there should be a way for my to specify in the total dns control panel in godaddy for that one too you think? |
| 23:52.32 | drwahl | octox2: i believe so, yes |
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| 23:52.59 | drwahl | octox2: i know godaddy has some issues with dns sometimes, so always assume it is them having dns issues before anything else :) |
| 23:53.09 | octox2 | drwahl: I think I ca add a CNAME |
| 23:53.16 | drwahl | a friend of mine uses them for his webhosting company and they are always messed up |
| 23:53.28 | drwahl | octox2: ya a cname will point to a different IP |
| 23:53.41 | chops | tesla: IIRC it's not necessary to run losetup manually; I think just mount -o loop is fine |
| 23:53.46 | octox2 | drwahl: right now www points to @, email points to email.secureserver.net |
| 23:54.02 | chops | tesla: See 'man mount' (search for 'THE LOOP DEVICE') |
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| 23:54.24 | octox2 | ftp points to @ so that will get forwarded to my ip too i think ? |
| 23:54.30 | octox2 | drwahl: is that what @ means? |
| 23:55.02 | octox2 | i think i am confusing things lol, but it seem i can do it somehow |
| 23:55.05 | drwahl | octox2: .... sure? :) i do not sure godaddy myself, so i am not sure. maybe someone else might know. i would imagine it is either your IP or a place holder for null |
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| 23:56.11 | NetEcho | if I were to use "su" to log into say an account called apache then ran a daemon in screen and detached it if I exit out of that account will screen still run? |
| 23:56.16 | octox2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.02 | drwahl | octox2: good luck :) |
| 23:57.13 | tesla | # mount -o loop /mnt/cdrom |
| 23:57.14 | tesla | mount: can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 23:57.26 | tesla | do i need to go in some directory |
| 23:57.28 | drwahl | NetEcho: yes |
| 23:57.29 | tesla | im in root as it is |
| 23:57.35 | NetEcho | excelent |
| 23:57.35 | drwahl | NetEcho: that is kinda the point of screen |
| 23:57.49 | chops | tesla: Where's your ISO? |
| 23:58.05 | chops | tesla: Run: mount -o loop /path/to/whatever.iso /mnt/cdrom |
| 23:58.21 | octox2 | drwahl: when I did username@www.octra.net I got in fine |
| 23:58.44 | drwahl | octox2: whatever works :) |
| 23:58.53 | NetEcho | drwahl also if I down chown -R apache /home/apache/apache2 it will chown that dir and all sub dirs right? |
| 23:59.03 | drwahl | octox2: unless you need it on another domain for some reason, i would just call it good |
| 23:59.11 | octox2 | drwahl: I guess it makes more sense to do that anyway since i dont have multiple machines with slightly different IPs anyway right :) |
| 23:59.16 | drwahl | NetEcho: correct |
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| 23:59.21 | NetEcho | excelent |
| 23:59.47 | drwahl | NetEcho: err... it might be a lowercase 'r', but you have the right idea |
| 23:59.58 | NetEcho | kk I shall consult the man |
