| 00:00.25 | Kevin` | octox2 for email you should (normally must) have an mx record for the domain, not just an a record pointing to an ip |
| 00:01.25 | Kevin` | octox2 I think I missed part of the question though |
| 00:01.35 | octox2 | Kevin`: the default cname for email is email.secureserver.net ? |
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| 00:02.02 | octox2 | Kevin`: is that a generic defaukt they put in there? |
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| 00:02.28 | drwahl | Kevin`: ya, the email was kinda wierd, but it should be fine. its all godaddy.com default stuff. not relavent for his issue |
| 00:03.33 | octox2 | drwahl: that is probably pointing to godaddys stuff that you can set up on there server, like your webpage and email and etc |
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| 00:04.22 | octox2 | drwahl: If i had a mail server running here, I would need to have email.octra.info just point to the same IP if its on the same machine i gues? |
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| 00:05.13 | drwahl | octox2: ya. that would put mx records in their dns servers which would eventually (on the next replica) replicate out to the world. so it may not work RIGHT away, but it would shortly |
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| 00:07.46 | octox2 | crap, how do i stop if from pinging lol\ |
| 00:07.54 | drwahl | Ctrl + c |
| 00:08.15 | octox2 | oh haha i was hitting cnrt-q lol |
| 00:08.25 | octox2 | ctrl+q *\ |
| 00:08.52 | drwahl | ctrl+c is how you interupt jobs. never hit ctrl+z unless you know what you are doing |
| 00:08.56 | NetEcho | anyone know of any php capable console browsers |
| 00:09.03 | NetEcho | Links2 doesn't seem to like php |
| 00:09.11 | drwahl | it will end up putting the jobs in the background and leave them running |
| 00:09.17 | octox2 | drwahl: if i do ping ftp.octra.info I get the correct IP too as the points to parameter is set to @ |
| 00:09.17 | drwahl | NetEcho: have you tried lynx? |
| 00:09.25 | NetEcho | drwahl trying that now |
| 00:10.05 | NetEcho | drwahl its just being a tad slow resolving the site |
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| 00:10.43 | octox2 | drwahl: mail.octra.info seems to go to one of godaddy's servers as the points to = email.secureserver.net :) |
| 00:10.47 | octox2 | drwahl: fun stuff |
| 00:10.59 | cloakable | o.o |
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| 00:13.07 | wad | Did debian.org just go down? |
| 00:13.25 | dondelelcaro | wad: gluck is still up. |
| 00:13.39 | wad | !gluck |
| 00:13.40 | drwahl | wad: nope. i can reach it |
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| 00:14.05 | wad | Woah, must be my part of the planet... |
| 00:14.27 | dondelelcaro | well, gluck is debian.org, and it's up, and has been up for 14 days. |
| 00:14.29 | wad | Vambo: Where are you geographically? I'm in Utah. |
| 00:14.38 | kgoetz | us.debian.org is there for me |
| 00:14.41 | Vambo | Denver on commiecast net |
| 00:14.44 | wad | gluck is the name of the box hosting debian.org, got it. |
| 00:14.52 | wad | lol@commiecast |
| 00:14.57 | kgoetz | as is au.debian.org |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | wad: www.us.debian.org works .. www.debian.org does not |
| 00:15.14 | wad | I had comcast for a while... then they started screwing with torrent traffic, and I dropped them. |
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| 00:15.30 | Vambo | commiecast block fedora website |
| 00:15.34 | Vambo | s |
| 00:15.37 | kgoetz | :o |
| 00:16.03 | Vambo | at least for me hard to download anything |
| 00:16.21 | Vambo | one of the reasons I'm switching distros |
| 00:16.24 | Vambo | :-) |
| 00:16.27 | wad | abrotman: Thanks. I just adjusted the page I was trying to load with the www.us in it, and now it loaded. |
| 00:16.40 | abrotman | wad: and now it just came back |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | ah no |
| 00:17.20 | wad | not up for me, still. |
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| 00:18.01 | dondelelcaro | wad: if you're complaining about something being down, it's helpful if you use the actual machine that you're having problems with. debian.org != www.debian.org |
| 00:18.02 | Vambo | http://www.us.debian.org works but www.debian.org does not |
| 00:19.03 | wad | For the record, I'm not "complaining" about anything. Just troubleshooting... is it my connection, or is the problem universal? :) |
| 00:19.25 | dondelelcaro | but yes, there's some problem with the XS4ALL network that klecker is on. |
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| 00:19.44 | Vambo | having downloaded the DVD ISOs, I've been able to boot off the DVD to the grub prompt but can't find what to do after that. help please? |
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| 00:20.13 | abrotman | Vambo: are you trying to install Debian ? |
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| 00:20.20 | wad | Vambo: If you're running Windows, you can submit an error report to Micro$oft. |
| 00:20.21 | Vambo | abrotman, yes |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:20.23 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 00:20.42 | Vambo | wad new machine new hardrive |
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| 00:21.30 | Vambo | Aaa /me looks at the NEW install guide |
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| 00:28.41 | reZo | hello, i'm having huge problems with fluxbox, and font sizes right now. here is my startx output (http://pastebin.ca/918240). the problem with my fonts is that they are extra large for some reason, in fluxbox, the clock font, menu fonts etc. |
| 00:28.56 | reZo | i can also paste my .xsession_errors if you want |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | reZo: how did you install X ? |
| 00:30.22 | reZo | apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
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| 00:30.49 | reZo | thats the same way as i have always done it, only this time it's played up |
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| 00:33.34 | abrotman | reZo: aptitude install xorg |
| 00:33.43 | reZo | okay, |
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| 00:33.47 | Vambo | Hmmm booted off the DVD into grub. at the grub prompt, typing install or installgui returns unrecognised command |
| 00:33.49 | reZo | will that require a reboot? |
| 00:34.04 | asg | reZo: no |
| 00:34.12 | reZo | :) |
| 00:34.18 | abrotman | Vambo: that's not grub .. try just hitting enter |
| 00:34.28 | asg | reZo: the only thing that requires a reboot is a new kernel |
| 00:34.40 | reZo | okay, thanks |
| 00:34.44 | Vambo | abrotman, simply hitting enter returns unrec command |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | which DVD are you booting from ? |
| 00:35.17 | asg | abrotman: Dumb and Dumber (Directors Cut) |
| 00:35.24 | Vambo | one sec.. got to find out I downloaded from the website |
| 00:35.34 | reZo | i just aptitude'ed xorg, and i've got the same errors. and still have extra large font :( |
| 00:35.37 | abrotman | asg: i sense a sequel is coming :) |
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| 00:35.51 | reZo | i'm also using startx to load fluxbox, |
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| 00:36.05 | asg | abrotman: Is it supposed to smell like that? |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | reZo: your xlog has a lot of complaints |
| 00:36.21 | reZo | yeah :( |
| 00:36.37 | abrotman | and i mean a lot |
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| 00:37.21 | reZo | should i just down grade to etch again, instead of using lenny, and wait till lenny goes stable? |
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| 00:37.36 | Vambo | abrotman, /debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/iso-dvd |
| 00:37.40 | auto359 | using debian etch, trying to make an /etc/init.d script for a package that installed via source, followed a debian howto, but the script fails, can someone have a look please => http://pastie.caboo.se/157326 |
| 00:37.42 | reZo | looks to me as if lenny is bugged with my hardware or something? |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | Vambo: but which ISO ? |
| 00:37.50 | abrotman | reZo: it probably has lots of bugs |
| 00:37.59 | reZo | yeah, okay, etch it is :) |
| 00:38.00 | reZo | thanks |
| 00:38.09 | Vambo | abrotman, debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | Vambo: and your machine is amd64? |
| 00:38.42 | Vambo | yes |
| 00:39.04 | Vambo | It boots off the DVD into the grub prmpt |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | that's not grub |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | Vambo: does it let you hit F1 for help ? |
| 00:39.30 | Vambo | Perhaps thats the problem.. the prmpt says it's grub> |
| 00:39.38 | Vambo | abrotman, nope |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | that's not the CD then .. the CD boots to a little debian logo |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | or it has on all systems i've tried |
| 00:40.28 | Vambo | Hmm OK perhaps it's from the previous install on the HD. let me bang on it awhile |
| 00:40.30 | Vambo | Thanks! |
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| 00:52.22 | lanlost | Hi |
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| 00:52.36 | lanlost | I'm trying to apt-get install nvidia-settings but when I do it says that it needs to remove nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 00:52.42 | lanlost | ... they aren't mutually exclusive |
| 00:52.43 | icesword | lanlost, hiya |
| 00:52.54 | lanlost | how do I have it install nvidia settings and NOT remove the other package |
| 00:52.58 | lanlost | there has to be a way.. |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | lanlost: in etch ? |
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| 00:53.52 | dutchfish | is debian/bugs down? |
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| 00:54.44 | abrotman | dutchfish: not just you http://www.us.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 00:54.56 | cleo | i have debian and xp in one disk but i want to repare XP but i have the boot thing gow can i desactivate it? |
| 00:56.18 | icesword | cleo, i don't understand |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | cleo: you just need a rescue/live CD or a grub floppy .. you boot debian and then reinstall grub |
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| 00:57.17 | dvs | or use Knop.. *slap* Ouch! |
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| 00:57.35 | cleo | yes abrotman |
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| 00:57.49 | abrotman | that wasn't a question |
| 00:57.58 | ryx | I just had very strange xfs trouble: mounting a freshly created xfs partition did not work in my lenny system |
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| 00:58.12 | ryx | it worked after I downgraded xfsprogs to stable and re-mkfsed |
| 00:58.25 | cleo | my problem is how to seactivate and activate GRUB |
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| 00:58.47 | cleo | my problem is how to deactivate and activate GRUB |
| 00:59.00 | abrotman | cleo: the windows rescue will take care of deactivating grub for you |
| 00:59.08 | cleo | or wich rescure/live CD d u mean? |
| 00:59.14 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 00:59.14 | dpkg | grub floppy image is, like, http://packages.debian.org/grub-disk, or http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html |
| 00:59.18 | abrotman | if you have a floppy drive |
| 00:59.25 | cleo | no i don't have it |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | argh .. someone changed it |
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| 00:59.34 | cleo | tell me plz about live CD |
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| 01:00.12 | cleo | !grup CD |
| 01:00.22 | cleo | !grup cd |
| 01:00.27 | icesword | grub |
| 01:00.34 | cleo | !grub cd |
| 01:00.35 | dvs | icekold: watch it! ;-) |
| 01:00.39 | cleo | lol |
| 01:00.56 | cleo | !grub CD |
| 01:01.04 | icesword | !livecd |
| 01:01.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 01:01.10 | cleo | abrotman |
| 01:01.14 | abrotman | cleo |
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| 01:02.47 | cleo | debian have his live CD? |
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| 01:03.07 | icesword | no |
| 01:03.13 | icesword | currently |
| 01:03.14 | dvs | not yet |
| 01:03.33 | cleo | ok |
| 01:03.36 | cleo | :) |
| 01:03.44 | cleo | so |
| 01:03.46 | icesword | ? |
| 01:04.13 | abrocadabro | I use ntpdate 0.us.pool.ntp.org to set the correct time, but it appears the time is always 40min ahead of the localtime,time zone is set correctly, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:04.15 | cleo | i musst make a grub flopy |
| 01:04.46 | icesword | why is grub damaged |
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| 01:05.12 | cleo | no |
| 01:05.27 | cleo | because i want to repare windows XP |
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| 01:06.54 | icesword | now,you can boot into debian,cannot boot into windows,right,what is wrong,matbe you should check menu.lst |
| 01:06.58 | turkal | Is there a canonical place for apt development? |
| 01:07.06 | turkal | I can't seem to find a source repository? |
| 01:07.12 | cleo | no |
| 01:07.16 | cleo | now |
| 01:07.27 | cleo | i want just to desactivate GRUB |
| 01:08.03 | cleo | abrotman |
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| 01:09.46 | asg | turkal: /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 01:09.57 | abrotman | cleo: i told you .. windows will do that for you |
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| 01:11.04 | cleo | i have try that |
| 01:11.11 | cleo | but he dob't worck |
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| 01:13.15 | cleo | abrotman with flopy procedure can XP installed? |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | cleo: it's your machine .. and your copy of windows .. i have no idea |
| 01:14.21 | dutchfish | wols, changing to libc6 from sid didn't solve my kernel oopses with linux-image-2.6.18-6-i486 in etch, i have submitted a bugreport |
| 01:14.48 | icesword | cleo, debian is not commercial,youself is responsible for your machine |
| 01:16.06 | cleo | :-( |
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| 01:18.51 | icesword | cleo, though,you should decribe it more clearly,right now i even not sure what happened |
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| 01:19.38 | dutchfish | cleo, just boot your winduh install cd and look on the net howto restore mbr hint /fixboot |
| 01:19.58 | zwox | hi there |
| 01:20.23 | zwox | could someone tell me how to restore network interface name after a dist-up please ? |
| 01:20.43 | dutchfish | !z25 |
| 01:20.44 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 01:20.57 | zwox | eth0 became eth1 and eth1 became wlan_blablabla, so i'd like to restore the name |
| 01:21.21 | abrotman | zwox: that's the driver doing the naming .. accept the new names |
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| 01:21.40 | abrotman | well ... the eth0 to eth1 isn't .. that's udev .. the wlan0 is the new device name |
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| 01:22.25 | zwox | abrotman: okay so there is no way ... -_-' |
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| 01:22.49 | abrotman | zwox: i mean .. if you really wanted to .. but it's not really worth it unless you have a pretty good reason |
| 01:22.51 | zwox | except recoding the driver ... sounds strange ... |
| 01:24.09 | zwox | abrotman: well i've got a lot of scripts and program which ran with the name i get in testing but now that i'm in sid, the name aren't the same so script and log wouldn't run ... |
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| 01:25.25 | abrotman | zwox: they don't have variables for interface names ? |
| 01:25.46 | turkal | while deb-src is interesting, the repository listed in the package is not there |
| 01:25.52 | turkal | it's just an empty directory |
| 01:26.01 | zwox | abrotman: not all of them |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | sed ? |
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| 01:27.17 | zwox | well ... for scripts yes, but for SYSTEM call in C code ... i will have to compil them again ... :( |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | look at the udev stuff |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | or |
| 01:28.07 | dutchfish | zwox, /etc/udev/rules.d/010_netinterfaces.rules change KERNEL="oldnameprefix*", SYSFS{address}=="MACaddress", NAME="newname" |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | !info ifrename etch |
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| 01:28.51 | zwox | thank you abrotman |
| 01:29.21 | dpkg | ifrename: (Rename network interfaces based on various static criteria), section net, is extra. Version: 28-1 (etch), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 01:29.41 | Wyzard | better to do it with udev than with ifrename |
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| 01:39.32 | zwox | well everything is okay, thank you |
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| 01:51.42 | holycow | if i were to shutdown my smtp gateway ... what happens to th eincomming email? do the servers keep on sending mail for hours on end inbound until they exhaust the retry setting or do they just stop after they hit a non existent smtp endpoint? |
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| 01:53.55 | abrotman | holycow: yes .. usually for five days |
| 01:53.56 | dkr | holycow: they retry |
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| 01:54.53 | holycow | aha okay thanks |
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| 01:56.08 | newb00b | http://www.pascoepopart.com/ go to competition wait for the images to load click vote on the pink baby on the left Its for a friends nephew (sorry for the spam, and no its not a virus or scam, feel free to google about the site / competition) |
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| 01:56.27 | japc | holycow: they will retry for 4 days minimum, usually, the retries interval getting wider |
| 01:57.05 | japc | but some large traffic isp only hold the queue for 2 days so more than that is a risk |
| 01:57.51 | holycow | aha okay, v interesting |
| 01:57.55 | holycow | i didn't know that |
| 01:58.02 | holycow | greatly appreciate that everyone |
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| 01:58.57 | octox2 | I have attempted to establish a connection with "imagesak.godaddy.comhttps". However, the security certificate presented belongs to "www.opendns.com". It is possible, though unlikely, that someone may be trying to instercept your communication with this web site. ? :) |
| 01:59.00 | octox2 | any ideas? |
| 01:59.25 | octox2 | i didnt get this an hour ago when i went there |
| 01:59.40 | octox2 | I am using opendns for my dns server too |
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| 02:01.20 | pand0ra | Hi, currently in DWM my keybind is alt+shift+i which launches aterm, how can I have it launch aterm and then execute 'screen irssi' also? |
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| 02:04.24 | japc | octox2: the certificate cn should match the vhost name |
| 02:04.45 | japc | the client (browser) checks that to prevent mim attacks |
| 02:06.04 | octox2 | japc: does that mean I sent a cert that got replaced by one from opendns ? |
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| 02:06.25 | cheeseboy | is there a video editing software for debian? |
| 02:06.42 | Guerin | cheeseboy: yes. |
| 02:06.46 | japc | octox2: that or you're getting to the wrong virtual host |
| 02:06.58 | cheeseboy | Guerin, whats it called? |
| 02:07.00 | Guerin | cheeseboy: it's just not IN debian (for legal reasons) |
| 02:07.04 | japc | cheeseboy: kino |
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| 02:07.38 | octox2 | japc: could it just be something weird that godaddy changed recently on their site causing it? |
| 02:07.50 | Guerin | i would be inclined to blame godaddy |
| 02:07.53 | Guerin | they're evil and shit |
| 02:08.31 | japc | :) could |
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| 02:08.55 | octox2 | japc: oh i see, it was firefox telling me that i was connecting to godaddy, but the https cert was signed off by opendns right? |
| 02:09.07 | japc | octox2: exactly |
| 02:09.54 | cheeseboy | Guerin, japc is there a deb? |
| 02:10.03 | japc | cheeseboy: think so |
| 02:10.08 | Guerin | 'ctry debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:10.18 | octox2 | japc: so basically, my web information was being piped through an opendns machine like using a anonamyser proxy right? |
| 02:10.31 | foso | hey all, someone on the ubuntu channel referred me here, i accidentally disabled dbus in ubuntu and now am haivng issues with hal |
| 02:10.33 | Guerin | octox2: eh, what? |
| 02:10.36 | octox2 | japc: and they must have changed the cert? |
| 02:10.57 | Guerin | foso: please return to #ubuntu and tell the fuckwit who referred you here to never do so again |
| 02:11.07 | octox2 | Guerin: I have attempted to establish a connection with "imagesak.godaddy.comhttps". However, the security certificate presented belongs to "www.opendns.com". It is possible, though unlikely, that someone may be trying to instercept your communication with this web site. |
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| 02:11.17 | Guerin | octox2: i can read. |
| 02:11.28 | japc | octox2: no, there's nothing wrong with the cert |
| 02:11.33 | octox2 | Guerin: oh, i thought you missed it |
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| 02:11.56 | foso | Guerin, thanks alot |
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| 02:12.02 | Guerin | octox2: without knowing the specifics of how that site is set up, there's not much we can say other than `ask the tech support' |
| 02:12.16 | japc | octox2: $ echo "" | openssl s_client -connect imagesak.godaddy.com:443 | grep ^subject |
| 02:12.22 | japc | CN=imagesak.godaddy.com |
| 02:12.32 | japc | so it seems ok |
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| 02:14.52 | danand__ | Guerin - fuckwit here !! you could have been a bit nicer to your ubuntu cousin! |
| 02:14.58 | octox2 | japc: lol, i tryed to send the responce to you in a chat but im not logged in I guess, ill pastebin it |
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| 02:16.31 | abrotman | danand__: don't dot hat |
| 02:16.56 | danand__ | abrotman - ? |
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| 02:17.04 | octox2 | wait, is it ccalled pastebin? or something else |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | danand__: do not send people from #ubuntu to #debian for support |
| 02:17.11 | karsten | !pastebin |
| 02:17.11 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 02:17.20 | octox2 | where can i paste stuff so otheres can go look at it? |
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| 02:17.29 | karsten | octox2: ^^ |
| 02:17.40 | Guerin | !beer karsten |
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| 02:18.18 | dutchfish | !chears |
| 02:18.20 | karsten | Guerin: I'll take another and then some. |
| 02:18.29 | octox2 | japc: http://paste.lisp.org/display/56459 |
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| 02:19.10 | danand__ | abrotman - it seemed like a question you guys could help him out with - ubuntu is debian based after all. Guerin could have explained in a nicer manner why i was a fuckwit for sending the poor chap here though - kinda gives debian a bad name |
| 02:19.28 | japc | octox2: seems ok |
| 02:19.35 | abrotman | danand__: no .. you give ubuntu support a bad name .. end of discussion .. do NOT do that again |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | danand__: if you cannot help people in #ubuntu, do not send them here, try ##linux |
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| 02:19.59 | Hyphenex | I'm logged into my debian box through SSH, how do I make the backspace key backspace instead of delete? |
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| 02:20.24 | karsten | Hyphenex: Usually that Should Just Happen. |
| 02:21.03 | danand__ | abrotman - fair enough - didn't know it was such a bad thing to do - sorry |
| 02:21.04 | karsten | Hyphenex: try 'stty erase ^H' |
| 02:21.16 | karsten | Hyphenex: That's a literal caret-aich. |
| 02:21.29 | octox2 | japc: lol, ok, i didnt understand much of it but I saved what you told my to type so i can examine it later :) |
| 02:21.34 | Vambo | Question... installation manual says it can't use multiple DVDs during installation but there is a set of 3 DVDs on the debian web site. What are the other 2 DVD iso's for? |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | danand__: #debian does not support debian based distros |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | Vambo: more software |
| 02:21.55 | Vambo | heh K |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 02:22.00 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 02:22.05 | octox2 | japc: thanks, not that i was scared i guess, but i just like to get my nose in things |
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| 02:22.13 | Guerin | karsten: you and me both |
| 02:22.20 | octox2 | well, im of to lala land |
| 02:22.24 | danand__ | abrotman - ok - maybe next time i'll forewarn not to mention ubuntu :D |
| 02:22.44 | holycow | lol |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | danand__: don't do that .. once we find out the result is the same .. and there is a chance that our Debian instructions could destroy an ubuntu box |
| 02:22.50 | holycow | this is REALY weird |
| 02:22.56 | holycow | i'm trying to find cameras for windows users |
| 02:23.07 | Guerin | karsten: we're tendering on a house tomorrow and all week I've been dealing with my three most hated enemies: estate agents, lawyers and bank managers |
| 02:23.21 | holycow | and i'm FORCED to go to a windows channel and ask do they have nice software for downloading pictures from cameras on windows |
| 02:23.25 | holycow | like we do on linux |
| 02:23.32 | Guerin | heh |
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| 02:23.33 | holycow | thats so weird to hear my self say |
| 02:23.43 | danand__ | abrotman - i _was_ just kidding with my last ... your right ... it possibly could have v bad consequences |
| 02:23.45 | karsten | Guerin: Watch that housing market. |
| 02:23.57 | abrotman | danand__: thanks for understanding .. have a nice day |
| 02:23.57 | karsten | Guerin: It's way bad here, will stay that way for a whle. |
| 02:24.13 | Guerin | karsten: watch it fall, you mean? Yeah, the market out here on the coast is pretty firm. |
| 02:24.17 | danand__ | abrotman - you too! |
| 02:24.34 | holycow | Guerin: you don't think it will fall? |
| 02:25.00 | Guerin | holycow: it will fall some, yes. |
| 02:25.16 | holycow | Guerin: my only hope is you find a fantastic deal :) |
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| 02:25.57 | karsten | Guerin: http://patrick.net/housing/crash.html http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/index.html |
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| 02:26.09 | karsten | Guerin: US markets, but interesting reading. I see this spreading. |
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| 02:27.00 | enouf | holycow: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software ? |
| 02:27.04 | karsten | Guerin: Read the Case-Shiller index data. |
| 02:27.08 | karsten | </OT> |
| 02:27.37 | holycow | enouf: rofl! |
| 02:27.46 | holycow | that indeed would the strangest way to do that eh? |
| 02:27.48 | holycow | haha |
| 02:28.19 | enouf | :-) hey, if it works |
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| 02:28.36 | holycow | lol i just feel .... soooo ...... dirty doing it that way |
| 02:28.37 | holycow | haha |
| 02:28.47 | Guerin | karsten: Yearly rents are 3% of purchase price. # here it's closer to 10%. Not that we're renting it out. |
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| 02:33.12 | cheeseboy | whats gui archiver called? |
| 02:36.04 | dutchfish | cheeseboy, you mean file-roller? |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | cheeseboy: for which DE ? |
| 02:36.55 | holycow | well screw the windows users then |
| 02:37.29 | holycow | danke for the suggestions btw |
| 02:37.45 | cheeseboy | ya thnx |
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| 02:41.56 | JesseT77 | Hai |
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| 02:43.27 | Dewi | what signal does ctrl-z send? |
| 02:43.33 | Guerin | STOP |
| 02:43.41 | Dewi | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:44.27 | Dewi | Guerin: the man page says it cannot be blocked, but clearly it can |
| 02:44.37 | Dewi | Guerin: because this process isn't pausing |
| 02:44.43 | Guerin | hm |
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| 02:45.37 | Dewi | aah well I killed it for good now. |
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| 02:49.38 | drcode | hi all |
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| 02:49.45 | JesseT77 | hr dr |
| 02:49.51 | drcode | how can I run script in background |
| 02:49.58 | drcode | I try test & |
| 02:49.59 | asg | drcode: ./script & |
| 02:50.07 | drcode | but if I close ssh it go a way |
| 02:50.16 | asg | drcode: nohup ./script |
| 02:50.51 | drcode | let me check |
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| 02:51.09 | JesseT77 | sudo make me a sandwhich |
| 02:51.13 | drcode | k |
| 02:51.14 | drcode | thanx |
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| 02:51.52 | JesseT77 | asg++ |
| 02:52.12 | asg | !karma asg |
| 02:52.13 | dpkg | asg has karma of 15 |
| 02:52.40 | Guerin | i think that entitles you to a free basket of ranch fries on your next visit! |
| 02:52.44 | JesseT77 | I wonder how it measures that? |
| 02:53.02 | Guerin | JesseT77: deceptively simple |
| 02:53.04 | asg | JesseT77: you do !asg++ or /msg dpkg asg++ |
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| 02:53.13 | \amethyst | JesseT77: starts at 0, goes up with nick++, down with nick-- |
| 02:53.15 | Guerin | -- also works |
| 02:53.16 | cheeseboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.39 | Guerin | cheeseboy: could be any number of reasons. does it qwork in other players? |
| 02:53.59 | asg | Guerin: is qwork a sexual term? |
| 02:54.01 | JesseT77 | cheeseboy: many files encoded mkv are quite high resolution, or include complciated subtitling (some anime I've seen) that might do it |
| 02:54.02 | cheeseboy | i dunno any other players that can play .mkv |
| 02:54.07 | Guerin | asg: it is now. |
| 02:54.12 | asg | bing! |
| 02:54.18 | Guerin | cheeseboy: mplayer, xine, for two. |
| 02:54.21 | JesseT77 | mplayer should be able to handle mkv |
| 02:54.37 | japc | mplayer handles everything |
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| 02:54.48 | cheeseboy | mplayer doesnt |
| 02:54.50 | Jerkface | hi. |
| 02:54.51 | JesseT77 | XBMC is based on mplayer and my xbox plays mkvs :) |
| 02:54.54 | Guerin | mkv is not very mature and people who use it often use very bleeding-edge encoding schemas or codecs as well |
| 02:55.00 | Jerkface | my microphone doesn't work at all on debian. |
| 02:55.06 | Guerin | mplayer does handle mkvs |
| 02:55.07 | cheeseboy | i tried mplayer only got audio |
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| 02:55.20 | Guerin | Jerkface: what kind of microphone? |
| 02:55.23 | JesseT77 | cheeseboy: you may not have the right video codecs for mplayer to play /this/ mkv file |
| 02:55.32 | Guerin | what JesseT77 said |
| 02:55.34 | Jerkface | it's an hp. |
| 02:55.46 | Guerin | Jerkface: that tells me nothing |
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| 02:56.03 | cheeseboy | wat codec i install? |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | Guerin: it's integrated into the laptop case |
| 02:56.21 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:56.22 | Guerin | fail |
| 02:56.32 | JesseT77 | cheeseboy: I don't know what codec /this/ mkv needs. :) On window's I've used Gspot to figure out codecs. Whats a good choice for that in Debian, folks? |
| 02:56.32 | Guerin | cheeseboy: in any case, the issue is likely one of: 1. dicky file 2. your machine is too weak |
| 02:56.47 | ignu | help a noob?: I'm following instructions that say to unpack the .tar.gz file. I don't know what switches to use, but based on a totally different thing I unpacked earlier today, I'm wondering if 'tar -xzvf' will give me a good set of switches to use. I'm reading the help file for tar and it's confusing me :-) |
| 02:56.48 | Guerin | JesseT77: mplayer tells you fourcc codes on play |
| 02:56.54 | Jerkface | HDA Intel hw. |
| 02:57.02 | Guerin | ignu: man tar :) |
| 02:57.03 | Jerkface | can you please tell me how i find out? |
| 02:57.13 | Guerin | ignu: helpfile? what is this? |
| 02:57.30 | JesseT77 | cheeseboy: ok, so when you play it with mplayer does it not spout out about what's missing? |
| 02:57.38 | japc | ignu: man tar |
| 02:57.42 | japc | ignu: /EXAMPLE |
| 02:57.58 | ignu | I was reading 'tar --help' ... I'll look over 'man tar' |
| 02:58.02 | cheeseboy | JesseT77, what? |
| 02:58.02 | Guerin | ignu: those switches are: x[tract]; z[ip]; v[erbose]; f[ile] |
| 02:58.13 | snaqo | i am actually having problems with mkv in debian lenny |
| 02:58.25 | Guerin | ignu: ignu f has to come last; the rest don't matter. the v is optional |
| 02:58.33 | Jerkface | maybe it's not being detected? alsamix shows a space for mic but there's no volume bar. |
| 02:58.35 | snaqo | mplayer has image artifacts. xine and vlc have audio and video desynched |
| 02:58.41 | JesseT77 | ignu: the important bit is the "f" switch has to be right before the filename you are unpacking |
| 02:58.44 | Guerin | Jerkface: ask HP for support. |
| 02:59.00 | cheeseboy | how i get mplayer to play mkv??? |
| 02:59.07 | Guerin | Jerkface: or ask #alsa whether the mic on this particular device is supported |
| 02:59.15 | Guerin | cheeseboy: mplayer file.mkv |
| 02:59.17 | JesseT77 | cheeseboy: drag the file onto an open copy of mplayer? :) |
| 02:59.29 | snaqo | cheeseboy: here it played instantly. just apt-get install mplayer |
| 02:59.32 | dutchfish | wich is the order jobs in /etc/cron.daily get served, alphabetically? |
| 02:59.34 | Jerkface | alsa supports it. it works on red flag linux. |
| 02:59.57 | Guerin | dutchfish: yes, by filename, 0-z |
| 03:00.00 | ignu | I did get the x[tract]; z[ip]; v[erbose]; f[ile] ... what does it mean when it says, "verbosely list files processed"? |
| 03:00.04 | JesseT77 | cheeseboy: if mplayer chokes trying to play your file, it ought to report to you what codecs it needs. |
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| 03:00.26 | dutchfish | Guerin, thank you |
| 03:00.29 | Guerin | Jerkface: ok. does it need a module? |
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| 03:01.30 | Guerin | ignu: it means that it tells you all the files in the archive |
| 03:01.57 | JesseT77 | ignu: without -v it works silently. With -v it rattles off every filename being unpacked. I normally don't use -v myself. |
| 03:02.10 | ignu | oooohhhhh ... thx, now I get it |
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| 03:02.41 | Jerkface | guerin; i think the chipset is already setup, as the headphones work. is that wrong? |
| 03:03.57 | Guerin | Jerkface: soime mics are a plain old mic - others need a driver. If it's not Just Working,. I'd suspect it's the latter. |
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| 03:05.42 | drcode | hi all |
| 03:05.54 | drcode | I want to use Xvnc with gdm |
| 03:05.58 | drcode | any help? |
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| 03:06.49 | drcode | so when I use vncviewer I will get into gdm |
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| 03:07.57 | puff | Anyone familiar with mailman? |
| 03:08.09 | kgoetz | !tell puff about anyone |
| 03:08.34 | puff | kgoetz: I asked my real question earlier, nobody had a clue. |
| 03:09.29 | \amethyst | puff: did you try #mailman ? |
| 03:09.34 | abrotman | puff: your python is exploding |
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| 03:11.25 | Jerkface | Guerin: are intel sound drivers proprietary? so debian can't package them? might that be why? |
| 03:11.26 | Supaplex | poor snake. |
| 03:11.49 | abrotman | Jerkface: you might want to ask #alsa also |
| 03:11.51 | Guerin | Jerkface: unsure. |
| 03:12.09 | abrotman | or check alsa-project.org |
| 03:12.51 | puff | kgoetz: But okay, here we go: See http://pastebin.com/d6dbb75eb for paste. I'm using debian/postfix/mailman. Mailman was uninstalled when I installed xmlstarlet. I reinstalled mailman, but was seeing thousands of error messages in /var/log/mail.err (see paste). However, the binary that it was erroring on is there, and executable. |
| 03:13.16 | puff | \amethyst: Yeah, tried mailman. I'll try there again. |
| 03:13.34 | Jerkface | where is the place on debian to see a list of hardware? |
| 03:13.46 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 03:13.46 | abrotman | Jerkface: not a microphone i don't think |
| 03:13.46 | dpkg | i guess hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 03:14.34 | \amethyst | puff: what is the shbang line on that file? |
| 03:14.43 | \amethyst | puff: head -n 1 /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman |
| 03:14.44 | puff | Also, mail stopped being delivered. I'm not *certain*, but on a hunch I commented out the mailman aliases in /etc/aliases, did newaliases, restarted postfix, mail started getting through. |
| 03:14.47 | puff | \amethyst: It's a binary. |
| 03:14.49 | \amethyst | oh |
| 03:15.07 | Jerkface | abrotman: yes, but where can i see a hardware list. is there some kind of centralized control panel on debian? |
| 03:15.09 | kgoetz | puff: i suggest ask #mailman |
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| 03:15.11 | \amethyst | a binary of only 6740K ? |
| 03:15.13 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:15.15 | puff | kgoetz: I did, nobody home. |
| 03:15.17 | abrotman | Jerkface: lspci -nn |
| 03:15.18 | \amethyst | only 6740 bytes |
| 03:15.25 | puff | kgoetz: Apparently hasn't been for most of the day. |
| 03:15.49 | \amethyst | puff: what does file /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman say? |
| 03:15.53 | puff | Anyway, at this point, I'm not sure what the issue is, but I do know that it's possible to use mailman without the list-specific aliases, which is what I wanted to ask about. |
| 03:16.14 | puff | \amethyst: /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman: setgid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | eww .. 80386! |
| 03:16.51 | puff | I prefer list-specific aliases, just because I like to be specific about things, but I'm thinking that maybe using the other approach would be better. |
| 03:17.14 | Jerkface | thanks. |
| 03:17.42 | Jerkface | guerin: it's an Intel Corporation 82801G, if you happen to know. i'll look it up now. |
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| 03:18.28 | Guerin | Jerkface: I don't. good luck. |
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| 03:20.57 | Tramp | puff: can you run ldd on the binary and check, if all libraries are found? |
| 03:21.26 | cheeseboy | what do i install to use mencoder? |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | !tell cheeseboy about dmm |
| 03:22.07 | abrotman | puff: do other python things work ? |
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| 03:25.21 | puff | Tramp: Two lines of output, libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4000b000) and /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000) |
| 03:25.34 | puff | abrotman: Python command line runs... not sure what else is using python. |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | mailman uses python |
| 03:26.14 | Jerkface | hi, everyone who tried to help: thanks, and consider this advice: go to K -> Control Center -> Sound System -> Hardware ; Debian defaults to auto detect, change to "Open Sound System" or another one and give it a go. |
| 03:26.17 | Jerkface | thanks. |
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| 03:26.27 | Xenguy | !cli |
| 03:26.28 | dpkg | cli is, like, a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 03:26.54 | abrotman | wtf is that junk |
| 03:27.11 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 03:27.39 | Xenguy | how can I append to that description? |
| 03:28.38 | abrotman | like what ? |
| 03:28.43 | abrotman | it's almost out of room |
| 03:29.16 | Guerin | Xenguy: you'd need to edit it. /msg dpkg no, cli is blah blah the whole factoid here |
| 03:30.06 | Xenguy | Guerin: so I can't append, I can only overwrite, er carefully ? |
| 03:30.15 | abrotman | Xenguy: what do you want to append ? |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | Xenguy: sometimes there is space .. sometimes not .. that one seems pretty long |
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| 03:30.32 | Xenguy | abrotman: an additional string (a web site) |
| 03:30.54 | Xenguy | abrotman: assuming I have room, how to append? |
| 03:31.06 | abrotman | Xenguy: bar is also foo |
| 03:31.18 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 03:31.29 | abrotman | Xenguy: usually better to do in /msg with dpkg |
| 03:31.35 | Xenguy | OK |
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| 03:33.03 | RaymondX | Xenguy: is xen better than vmware? |
| 03:33.45 | cheeseboy | http://debian-multimedia.org/ fails |
| 03:33.50 | Guerin | RaymondX: yes, because it's not proprietary |
| 03:33.52 | Xenguy | !cli |
| 03:33.52 | dpkg | cli is, like, a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1, or http://linuxcommand.org/ |
| 03:33.58 | cheeseboy | waiting forever apt-get update |
| 03:34.14 | Xenguy | RaymondX: no idea, my nick predates Xen virtualization ;-) |
| 03:34.35 | Xenguy | RaymondX: virtualbox is worth a look tho |
| 03:35.36 | cheeseboy | why wont it work >:( |
| 03:35.58 | Xenguy | cheeseboy: I recommend configuring a primary and a secondary mirror |
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| 03:36.13 | Guerin | cheeseboy: you probably set it up wrong |
| 03:36.17 | cheeseboy | wats the second mirror for it? |
| 03:36.34 | Xenguy | cheeseboy: when one doesn't work, switch to the other and it's all good |
| 03:36.43 | cheeseboy | i cant even get to their website anymore |
| 03:37.05 | Xenguy | cheeseboy: debian.org has a page of mirrors |
| 03:37.15 | Guerin | not for multimedia |
| 03:37.23 | Xenguy | ahh |
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| 03:39.12 | abrotman | dmm has mirrors also |
| 03:39.28 | cheeseboy | whats mirror? |
| 03:40.14 | Guerin | cheeseboy: dictionary |
| 03:40.30 | cheeseboy | no im not that dumb |
| 03:40.39 | cheeseboy | whats the url of the mirror |
| 03:40.47 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 03:40.48 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:41.06 | cheeseboy | site wont load on my pc |
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| 03:42.22 | abrotman | cheeseboy: google |
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| 03:47.27 | Miesco | How do I make vsftpd not timeout when a client is uploading? |
| 03:48.39 | agiofws_ | HOW do i install a cpu temp app in debian ? |
| 03:48.41 | wols_ | it shouldn't timeout when data transfer is taking place |
| 03:48.44 | wols_ | is there transfer? |
| 03:48.50 | agiofws_ | will i have to recompile my kernel ? |
| 03:48.53 | wols_ | !tell agiofws_ about lm-sensors |
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| 03:49.21 | Flimqy | Can anyone possibly shed light on why tcpdump occasionally shows an onslaught of odd output... it shows '[source ip] > [dest ip] tcp' and that's all... no port number, nothing else. |
| 03:49.30 | Flimqy | They're all coming from the same remote IP |
| 03:49.38 | agiofws_ | wols_, i nstalled it but its not working |
| 03:49.51 | wols_ | !tell agiofws_ about doesn't work |
| 03:49.57 | agiofws_ | ok |
| 03:49.57 | Miesco | wols_: Yes |
| 03:50.25 | Flimqy | which happens to be a MS Exchange server... |
| 03:50.32 | Miesco | wols_: I am using FileZilla on my windows computer upstairs and trying to upload a 24gig file, it always timesout then you cant resume it cause it keeps timeing out |
| 03:50.39 | agiofws_ | i run sensors_detect and answere the questions buts its not finding any sensors so its it generating any commands |
| 03:50.49 | agiofws_ | wols_, ^^ |
| 03:51.02 | wols_ | then you have to edit your config manually |
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| 03:51.14 | Xenguy | Miesco: diskspace ? |
| 03:51.14 | wols_ | if your sensors and busses are supported that is |
| 03:51.15 | agiofws_ | wols_, kernel config ? |
| 03:51.20 | Flimqy | Miesco: Why are you using FTP over a LAN? |
| 03:51.21 | drcode | any idea about xdm/gdm and Xvnc? |
| 03:51.25 | agiofws_ | oh ok |
| 03:51.27 | agiofws_ | thanks |
| 03:51.28 | wols_ | also debian lm-sensors is like the kernel 18 months old |
| 03:51.44 | wols_ | so you might have to compile your own |
| 03:51.45 | agiofws_ | thanks |
| 03:52.08 | fignew | Flimqy: what's wrong with that? |
| 03:52.14 | wols_ | Miesco: filezilla gives a log. pastebin it |
| 03:52.24 | Miesco | wols_: Okay |
| 03:52.28 | wols_ | Flimqy: peek into the packets? |
| 03:52.52 | Flimqy | wols_: I tried. -vv showed no packet contents, just a bunch of headers, it looked like (to my untrained eye) |
| 03:53.08 | wols_ | use wireshark maybe |
| 03:53.12 | wols_ | it decodes packets |
| 03:53.19 | Flimqy | wols_: 'k, I'll give that a try. |
| 03:53.27 | Flimqy | I have a feeling the remote server is on crack, and sending me invalid stuff |
| 03:53.37 | Flimqy | but it's sporadic, too |
| 03:53.41 | telexicon | know where i can find a simple example source deb for making a shared lib package? |
| 03:53.48 | wols_ | it's exchange. of course it's on crack |
| 03:53.50 | Flimqy | so I'll hafta catch it acting up again and run wireshark on the result |
| 03:54.14 | Guerin | telexicon: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 03:54.24 | telexicon | Guerin, already read that |
| 03:54.37 | telexicon | I'm just having an issue because I get an error with the package I made: error: syntax error in source control file ./liblearnstack1_1.0-1_i386.deb at line 1: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) |
| 03:55.09 | wols_ | ten go and check how otther control files looks |
| 03:55.16 | wols_ | a sytnax error is the easiest to fix |
| 03:55.20 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 03:55.20 | dpkg | methinks mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 03:55.40 | telexicon | wols_, but it looks correct and ive made packages before |
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| 03:56.03 | Miesco | Is there another vnc viewer other then xvncviewer? |
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| 03:56.14 | Flimqy | Miesco: There are many. apt-cache search vnc |
| 03:56.17 | don_armstrong | telexicon: your control file has an error on line one. It's pretty simple. |
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| 03:56.42 | telexicon | "Package: liblearnstack1" syntax error? |
| 03:56.56 | Miesco | Flimqy: But there all the same |
| 03:56.58 | Kiirani | Is it possible to install packages that only exist in testing or unstable on stable? |
| 03:57.11 | Flimqy | Miesco: They don't look the same to me... |
| 03:57.16 | dondelelcaro | telexicon: could be, but I'd have to see it. Put up your .dsc, orig.tar.gz, and diff.gz somewhere. |
| 03:57.43 | Miesco | Flimqy: vncviewer, xtightvncviewer, xvncviewer, exact same |
| 03:58.25 | Flimqy | Miesco: I dunno. They seem different to me. |
| 03:58.34 | Flimqy | Maybe I'm missing something. |
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| 03:59.03 | Miesco | Whats different about them? |
| 03:59.07 | Flimqy | I've always used xvnc4viewer with good luck. |
| 03:59.14 | Miesco | okay |
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| 04:00.08 | Flimqy | Well, xvnc4viewer and xvncviewer are different versions. |
| 04:01.19 | Flimqy | Looks like there's also a java vnc viewer, although I can't imagine *that* being useful for anything other than making stock prices for RAM manfuacturers go up |
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| 04:02.17 | Miesco | Flimqy: Is there a way to like refresh the screen cause there are bits and parts of different windows overlapping everywhere |
| 04:02.31 | Flimqy | Miesco: I don't know. Probably. I'd have to RTFM |
| 04:02.40 | Miesco | Okay |
| 04:03.03 | Xenguy | Miesco: Ctrl-l ? |
| 04:03.25 | telexicon | dondelelcaro, ok one moment, ill prepare it |
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| 04:09.45 | Miesco | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m7c0001f7 |
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| 04:09.52 | Miesco | wols_: Sorry it took so long, I was using vnc |
| 04:09.59 | telexicon | dondelelcaro, may i msg you with the address? |
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| 04:11.30 | Miesco | wols_: I think it might be the client, cause im using the ftp client in window's explorer and it doesn't seem to be timing out... |
| 04:11.34 | wols_ | why is there a timezone difference betwen 2 servers in your house? and I don't see any timeout there |
| 04:11.44 | wols_ | not even an error |
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| 04:12.29 | wols_ | hmm.. ther is no data sent |
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| 04:12.52 | wols_ | so fix your vsftp server setup since you are in passive mode |
| 04:13.02 | wols_ | why would you be in passive mode on the same LAN? |
| 04:13.05 | wols_ | doesn't make sense |
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| 04:14.11 | Miesco | wols_: I just changed a setting in filezilla, it reconnects if no data for 15 seconds, I got rid of that |
| 04:14.13 | enouf | wols_: heh , what else is new :-) |
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| 04:15.32 | wols_ | enouf: considering to who i am talking to, of course |
| 04:15.38 | Miesco | wols_: Whats passive mode, wait i'll read the manual |
| 04:16.00 | hdevalence | is there a minimal-sized Debian iso (like the netinst ones) that is a command-line live CD? |
| 04:16.04 | enouf | wols_: ofcourse ;-) |
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| 04:16.39 | enouf | hdevalence: see grml.org/faq - maybe the debian livecd is ready though |
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| 04:16.47 | enouf | haven;t looked lately |
| 04:16.58 | enouf | !debian live |
| 04:16.58 | dpkg | i guess debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:17.12 | Miesco | wols_: My client is going in passive mode, change my client settings or server settings? |
| 04:17.33 | puff | Is there a good basic primer on network security for me to steer people to? |
| 04:17.49 | enouf | hdevalence: also try "/msg dpkg livecd" |
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| 04:19.04 | enouf | hdevalence: we also have the bootcd pkg with which you can make a livecd from your installed system - apt-cache show bootcd (i never used it yet though) |
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| 04:20.27 | hdevalence | thanks! I'm looking to make my own icecc livecd, that would hopefully be small enough to load entirely into RAM so that one could use a single USB drive to launch a whole computer lab |
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| 04:22.11 | Miesco | wols_: Im not usinv passive mode and nothing is transfering... |
| 04:22.18 | Miesco | using |
| 04:22.20 | wols_ | Miesco: server |
| 04:23.05 | Miesco | man vsftpd, man vsftpd.conf, cat /etc/vsftpd.conf have no word 'passive' |
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| 04:23.45 | Miesco | wols_: Wait, it has pasv |
| 04:24.31 | holyguyver | Hello, I am running ech, I am talking through GAIM right now, how do I get Pidgin to show up in the repos? |
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| 04:25.11 | wols_ | !pidgin |
| 04:25.11 | dpkg | well, pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org> |
| 04:25.55 | holyguyver | !backports.org |
| 04:25.55 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 04:26.37 | holyguyver | Thank you :) |
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| 04:29.50 | holyguyver | how do I install the keyring? |
| 04:29.58 | Miesco | wols_: I set the server to disable passive, now nothing is transfering... |
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| 04:31.02 | holyguyver | never mind, I figured it out |
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| 04:34.14 | Rusty1 | puff: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/ |
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| 04:39.02 | wols_ | you can't disbale passive. you need to configure it porperly |
| 04:39.07 | Miesco | wols_: I shouldn't be be using ftp inside my lan, how do I transfer 24 gigs then? |
| 04:39.09 | wols_ | but someone like you should never use ftp |
| 04:39.10 | wols_ | use sftp |
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| 04:41.52 | Miesco | wols_: Someone like me? Someone behind a router? |
| 04:42.14 | wols_ | no. nothing directly to do with the touer |
| 04:42.17 | wols_ | *router |
| 04:42.25 | wols_ | you are what I call a sunday user |
| 04:42.37 | Miesco | Okay |
| 04:42.44 | Miesco | Thats what I want to be |
| 04:43.34 | Miesco | busy life, things to do, girls to satisfy |
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| 04:44.12 | Niphyr | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 04:44.18 | Niphyr | what could be causing that problem |
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| 04:44.28 | Miesco | ANyways, thanks for your help, window's explorer's ftp client is almost done transfering it anyways |
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| 04:49.28 | kingsley | digg.com has a flattering article on a package named "preload", which evidently speeds up how quick your box seems by preloading commonly used applications and their dependencies into memory. |
| 04:50.16 | kingsley | However, I find myself wondering why the linux kernel doesn't already do this, and if it has any adverse consequences. |
| 04:55.03 | japc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.57 | wols_ | kingsley: it's not the kernel that does it |
| 04:56.01 | wols_ | google prelinking |
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| 04:59.47 | Hyphenex | Is there a way to write the contents of a command over SSH and pipe it to a local program (for example, pipe 'cat /etc/asterisk/sip.conf' into a local grep or file)? |
| 05:00.39 | japc | ssh host -x "cat /etc/asterisk/sip.conf" > file |
| 05:00.41 | PrinceAMD | hi everyone how can i replace " ' " [the apostrophe] with a space ? |
| 05:00.53 | Hyphenex | Thanks japc |
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| 05:01.34 | japc | PrinceAMD: | sed s/\'/\ / |
| 05:02.21 | PrinceAMD | japc, thanks sed is the boss |
| 05:02.33 | PrinceAMD | i only know some awk for now THANKS ALOT !!!! |
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| 05:08.15 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 05:08.30 | jeffrin | how to increase the maximum number of concurrent ssh sessions |
| 05:08.40 | Guerin | what's limiting it? |
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| 05:12.00 | jeffrin | it is not poosible have more sessions |
| 05:12.10 | jeffrin | maximun 10 i thiunk |
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| 05:12.57 | \amethyst | jeffrin: there's a limit of 10 *unauthenticated* connections: man sshd_config, look for MaxStartups |
| 05:13.19 | jeffrin | ok |
| 05:14.25 | jeffrin | how to increase the limit of authenticated sessions |
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| 05:14.39 | \amethyst | there shouldn't be such a limit |
| 05:14.42 | \amethyst | what error do you get? |
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| 05:15.56 | jeffrin | ok thanks |
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| 05:20.10 | elscorcho | Error: "Openbox-Message: Unable to find a valid menu file '/var/lib/openbox/debian-menu.xml'" |
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| 05:23.50 | simonrvn | elscorcho: try running update-menus as root to fix that, and check in /etc/xdg to make sure the the openbox files are there (should be in openbox/ IIRC) |
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| 05:24.49 | elscorcho | simonrvn: ty will do |
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| 05:26.40 | nekostar | !ask |
| 05:26.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:27.32 | elscorcho | ask... |
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| 05:28.20 | glam | my file system a growing larger and larger, and finally it go to 100% full, I only had one partition, how do I find out what causes that, and how to fix it? |
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| 05:28.27 | nekostar | !war |
| 05:28.28 | dpkg | war is, like, foo, or http://www.atai.org/softwarewar.gif |
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| 05:29.58 | reZo | where are the firefox bookmarks stored? i need to back them up via cli |
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| 05:31.42 | whj | glam, try "sudo du -ks /*" |
| 05:32.00 | Joelito | hi all, is there an utility to add splashcreen in debian startup boot? I'm using kde + debian r3 etch |
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| 05:37.19 | xttyx | Hello all |
| 05:38.10 | glam | whj: I am runing "sudo du -ks /*", what am I suppose to do? when I do su, I could see the file system growing quite fast, but don't know which are the files. |
| 05:38.49 | xttyx | How can I get Debian secure by default ? |
| 05:39.51 | glam | I mean, df shows the file sytems are growing. |
| 05:39.52 | Kiirani | Using the nvidia driver (installed with the nvidia-installer, it's all that would work), xorg is giving me the error XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" What does this mean? |
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| 05:40.22 | xttyx | It means Linux is a pile of crap |
| 05:41.00 | Kiirani | How very constructive. |
| 05:41.09 | whj | glam, oh, you mean your fs are growing fast in minutes, or in days? |
| 05:41.10 | elik | I was gonna say |
| 05:41.15 | xttyx | Its deconstructive, its Linux |
| 05:41.29 | xttyx | Install a real kernel |
| 05:41.41 | elik | Hi, I'm having a hard time with my terminal. Basically, the ^] character get lost somewhere... but that character happen to be the telnet escape code and the vim shortcut for taglist. I tried many terminal emulators: gnome-terminal, xfce4-terminal, xterm and rxvt. gnome-terminal and xfce4-terminal are not working properly with ^] on my machine, but on my friend's one, they're ok. On the other hand xterm and rxvt are working ok, but n |
| 05:41.42 | elik | ot as configurable |
| 05:41.44 | glam | whj: in minutes, it keep growing. |
| 05:41.47 | Kiirani | Which *nix is your preference, xttyx ? |
| 05:42.15 | xttyx | Kirani: ;) |
| 05:42.35 | xttyx | not a Sysytem-V thats for sure |
| 05:43.01 | whj | glam, does "top" give you any clue? |
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| 05:43.07 | elik | Lol, that's funny, I had never seen a troll before... how pretty is that |
| 05:43.09 | pandoras_ | wow |
| 05:43.16 | pandoras_ | i found a Deian room :D |
| 05:43.31 | pandoras_ | i search a german room |
| 05:43.40 | xttyx | ich spreche kaum deutsh |
| 05:43.49 | pandoras_ | ich jedenfalls gut |
| 05:44.00 | pandoras_ | xttyx: Dejt |
| 05:44.02 | pandoras_ | ups |
| 05:44.13 | pandoras_ | Deutsch Big D and SCH at the end |
| 05:44.15 | pandoras_ | xD |
| 05:44.34 | pandoras_ | <"Klugscheisser" |
| 05:44.42 | xttyx | du schweine |
| 05:45.06 | pandoras_ | lol. schwein == 1 thing schweine=more than 1 |
| 05:45.18 | xttyx | exactly |
| 05:45.24 | xttyx | raus |
| 05:45.57 | pandoras_ | Wich Kernel have the current Debian Version? |
| 05:46.02 | glam | whj: top shows that "trackerd" always at the top and running, I don't know what it does. |
| 05:46.06 | Kiirani | So anyway, anybody know the meaning 'fatal IO error 104' in X? |
| 05:46.22 | Kiirani | pandoras_ - I believe stable uses 2.6.18 |
| 05:46.45 | pandoras_ | omg. its not very new |
| 05:46.53 | Kiirani | That's debian. |
| 05:46.55 | xttyx | How long will we have to wait for the next release ? |
| 05:46.58 | Kiirani | I built a vanilla kernel. :) |
| 05:47.02 | pandoras_ | my ubuntu have a 2.6.22 |
| 05:47.12 | pandoras_ | im to stupid to build it self |
| 05:47.22 | elik | 2.6.22 on lenny |
| 05:47.25 | xttyx | Doh! Ubuntu is better than Debian its little brother |
| 05:47.26 | Kiirani | Then you're probably too stupid to notice the difference ;) |
| 05:48.15 | Kiirani | Gentoo beats both of them, now that that's out of the way.. |
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| 05:48.41 | xttyx | Real Men dont attack OpenBSD |
| 05:48.50 | xttyx | Stallman up your arse |
| 05:48.50 | whj | glam: dpkg -S trackerd |
| 05:48.54 | elik | yeah, gentoo is already on kernel 3.8.5 |
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| 05:49.05 | Kiirani | Haha. |
| 05:49.12 | xttyx | Woah so gentoo is better than Kubuntu ? |
| 05:49.20 | elik | on pre-alpha stage |
| 05:49.39 | Kiirani | 3.8, eh? |
| 05:49.41 | xttyx | pre-alpha Kubuntu still more stable than Debian -current ... |
| 05:49.47 | Kiirani | I think we're reaching into the future a bit |
| 05:50.05 | elik | isn't that what gentoo is about? being on the edge |
| 05:50.21 | Kiirani | But who wants to use kubuntu, really :P |
| 05:50.31 | pandoras_ | i have never seen a instable Thing on my System, (maybe Alpha-Versions) |
| 05:50.33 | xttyx | Typical limux users ! |
| 05:50.47 | xttyx | They are all on Ubuntu |
| 05:50.59 | xttyx | Ubuntu == Linux |
| 05:51.37 | xttyx | But still Kubuntu rocks ! |
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| 05:51.56 | glam | dpkg -S trackerd tracker: /usr/share/autostart/trackerd.desktop tracker: /usr/bin/trackerd tracker: /usr/share/man/man1/trackerd.1.gz tracker: /etc/xdg/autostart/trackerd.desktop |
| 05:51.56 | dpkg | You Fool! trackerd tracker: /usr/share/autostart/trackerd.desktop tracker: /usr/bin/trackerd tracker: /usr/share/man/man1/trackerd.1.gz tracker: /etc/xdg/autostart/trackerd.desktop is installed! |
| 05:51.58 | pandoras_ | Ubuntu == Linux-Kernel && Debian-System && Metacity-WM |
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| 05:52.14 | craigevil | i wouldnt wipe my butt with ubuntu/kubuntu , you can go play in #ubuntu now |
| 05:52.18 | xttyx | Kubuntu == Just Userland no kernel needed ! |
| 05:52.34 | Kiirani | Actually fairly certain that ubuntu also handles its own package repository. |
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| 05:52.43 | xttyx | I wouldnt wipe my ass with a System-V ... |
| 05:52.44 | comphappy | is there a way to remove LUKS |
| 05:52.50 | comphappy | i have the passphrase |
| 05:53.21 | xttyx | Crack AES |
| 05:53.22 | pandoras_ | Wow, the Parameter S on dpgk is perfekt to search all the Paths to remaster some System |
| 05:53.41 | xttyx | Use john the ripper to crack your HD |
| 05:53.46 | comphappy | I just dont need the encryption anymore and it is a pain to type all 30 chars in ever boot |
| 05:53.47 | Kiirani | God damnit, now it's dying consistently |
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| 05:54.18 | gold44 | !packages |
| 05:54.19 | dpkg | i guess packages is a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 05:54.31 | gold44 | !location |
| 05:54.31 | dpkg | I'm lost |
| 05:54.46 | glam | whj: I run dpkg -S trackered, it shows that /usr/share/autostart/trackerd.desktop /usr/bin/tracker ... |
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| 05:55.08 | glam | whj: it seems that it is autostart |
| 05:55.16 | Kiirani | Least now I know what it wants. |
| 05:55.25 | xttyx | With Kubuntu /boot is encrypted by default, Unleash the Power !!! |
| 05:55.56 | pandoras_ | i have a cool Idea to copy all my Programs in a ISO |
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| 05:56.30 | xttyx | pandoras: go ahead |
| 05:56.43 | pandoras_ | 0_o |
| 05:56.56 | xttyx | dd if=/dev/null of=/magick ??? |
| 05:57.06 | Pandoras_not_her | .. |
| 05:57.16 | gold44 | where's the link on debian.org, so i can find out if apache is on dvd1 or 2 or 3? |
| 05:57.31 | Pandoras_not_her | i search a German chan... |
| 05:57.45 | xttyx | apache is in the OpenBSD default install ... |
| 05:57.53 | xttyx | chrooted by default ! |
| 05:57.59 | xttyx | now that is cool ... |
| 05:59.06 | xttyx | Installing Debian ... So much to get your box rooted in an instant ... |
| 05:59.11 | fignew | hmm? |
| 05:59.16 | xttyx | Got root ? |
| 05:59.27 | fignew | what are you ramblin' about? |
| 05:59.31 | xttyx | 0day here 0Day there ... |
| 05:59.42 | xttyx | no one gives a damn ... |
| 05:59.45 | Kiirani | Oohhh. So that's why the internal speaker never works |
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| 06:00.23 | fignew | xttyx: an openBSD server admined by a dumbass will never be as secure as a debian server run by someone who knows what they're doing |
| 06:00.37 | xttyx | fignew:I see awise man in new |
| 06:01.00 | xttyx | A dumbass with a OpenBSD server ? |
| 06:01.05 | xttyx | first time hear ? |
| 06:01.11 | fignew | common combination |
| 06:01.17 | fignew | ;) |
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| 06:01.32 | xttyx | OpenBSD != Linux typical laymen |
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| 06:01.57 | gold44 | hello? anyone know? |
| 06:01.58 | gold44 | where's the link on debian.org, so i can find out if apache is on dvd1 or 2 or 3? |
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| 06:02.27 | gold44 | the bot know, but i forgot what's the key word to use to ask the bot |
| 06:02.32 | fignew | gold44: you would want to pull the latest version off the net anyways ;) |
| 06:02.34 | xttyx | fignew: *BSD users are more IT-literate than Linuces users |
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| 06:02.47 | fignew | don't want someone like xttyx r00ting your apache server |
| 06:02.47 | gold44 | fignew: no i don't |
| 06:02.59 | xttyx | ;) |
| 06:03.14 | gold44 | fignew: i don't want apache, i want the link to search for ANY packages |
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| 06:03.54 | xttyx | use google you typical Linux user ... |
| 06:03.55 | fignew | gold44: ohh |
| 06:04.10 | xttyx | Damn cant use a search engine ... |
| 06:04.15 | craigevil | apt-cache search |
| 06:04.23 | fignew | YEA OPENBEEESSSDDD USARS DONT NEEED GOOGLE |
| 06:04.24 | rupert | hi there.. is it normal to see Xorg to consume too much memory? |
| 06:04.35 | xttyx | too much ? |
| 06:04.47 | fignew | rupert: not if it's cacheing :) |
| 06:05.07 | gold44 | craigevil: no not apt-cache |
| 06:05.08 | xttyx | Xorg is a bitch |
| 06:05.18 | xttyx | Xenocara is a princess |
| 06:05.39 | xttyx | That Xorg slut will deepthroat you careful ... |
| 06:05.59 | fignew | gold44: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#search-for-package |
| 06:06.22 | rupert | yesterday this machine.. is running 1 GB of RAM. my network guy added 2GB of memory so now its 3 GB. Top reveals that its consuming almost all of the 3GB. and Xorg is always on the top of TOP's list. any experiences? |
| 06:06.28 | whj | glam, looks like tracker is some kind of indexing/meta search tool, maybe that is building some index files |
| 06:06.34 | xttyx | gold44 demanded an answer gold44 is now happy till the next time |
| 06:06.40 | fignew | no doubt xttyx XFREE86 for lyfe |
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| 06:06.51 | xttyx | no X11 , anyway |
| 06:07.13 | fignew | rupert: what's the point of having all that memory if the computer isn't going to use it? |
| 06:07.13 | xttyx | Xorg how much percentage memory ? |
| 06:07.17 | gold44 | fignew: yeah, that da one. thx |
| 06:07.24 | xttyx | yo bro |
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| 06:07.52 | xttyx | Another memory leak ? |
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| 06:08.11 | xttyx | If your box crashes fill a bug report ;) |
| 06:08.21 | fignew | rupert: if you want a better memory report checkout htop |
| 06:08.28 | rupert | i will reboot.. |
| 06:08.35 | xttyx | roger that |
| 06:08.37 | fignew | it shows you cached/buffered/used/free |
| 06:08.40 | rupert | il be back soon. thank you all.. ok fignew.. il try that |
| 06:08.47 | fignew | rupert: this ain't openbsd |
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| 06:08.50 | fignew | no need to reboot |
| 06:08.59 | rupert | heh @ fignew |
| 06:09.01 | xttyx | this is Linux you better reboot |
| 06:09.04 | fignew | linux's memory management is better than that |
| 06:09.08 | xttyx | you never know |
| 06:09.13 | xttyx | Alt-Backspace |
| 06:09.22 | xttyx | haha he left |
| 06:09.27 | fignew | xttyx: you mean ctrl+alt+bksp? |
| 06:09.35 | xttyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.48 | fignew | ok, try not to look like an idiot :) |
| 06:09.51 | xttyx | At least there is W^X protection |
| 06:10.00 | glam | whj: but it should not be that serious, anow my disk is 100% again, I had to find some file to delete, so that I can continue rescue the box. |
| 06:10.12 | xttyx | hey ! Am I not on a GNU/Linux chan ? |
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| 06:10.37 | fignew | no you're not, that's #openbsd |
| 06:10.46 | fignew | afterall everyone knows, BSD is linux |
| 06:10.52 | fignew | or... almost like linux ;) |
| 06:10.56 | xttyx | hahaha |
| 06:10.59 | xttyx | hopefully |
| 06:11.09 | fignew | except BSD is dead :( |
| 06:11.12 | xttyx | Is it #openbsd ? |
| 06:11.24 | xttyx | Haxx0r chan then |
| 06:11.39 | xttyx | finew: You dont know what you talkin about |
| 06:11.48 | xttyx | Try Freebsd 7.0 soon |
| 06:11.52 | Kiirani | a-HA! I solve dit. |
| 06:11.54 | xttyx | in a few days |
| 06:12.01 | Kiirani | What is it with fixing things myself today? |
| 06:12.05 | xttyx | more stable, more scalable |
| 06:12.10 | xttyx | you a genius man |
| 06:12.19 | xttyx | did you remove a file ? |
| 06:12.22 | Kiirani | Woman |
| 06:12.32 | fignew | xttyx: more scalable than linux? |
| 06:12.33 | xttyx | Only a woman could do it ;) |
| 06:12.38 | fignew | are you fucking serious? |
| 06:12.43 | xttyx | :fignew Check it out |
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| 06:13.03 | xttyx | In real worls yes more scalable |
| 06:13.12 | xttyx | not on paper .. |
| 06:13.20 | gold44 | fignew: with "_i386" i can limit result to my platform. how to set restriction, so it will only display DVD iso result and not both DVD and CD iso result? |
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| 06:13.30 | gold44 | http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=tree++_i386 |
| 06:13.51 | xttyx | o shit hes back |
| 06:14.02 | xttyx | I told ya fignew |
| 06:14.15 | xttyx | Teach him how to fish ... |
| 06:14.25 | fignew | xttyx: not a single of the top 500 supercomputers in the world runs BSD http://www.top500.org/stats/list/30/os |
| 06:14.59 | fignew | 400+ of those run linux though |
| 06:15.06 | fignew | I think that says something... no? |
| 06:15.13 | xttyx | thats bullshit |
| 06:15.17 | deadcat | what do i use to open a .xls file? catdoc dont work |
| 06:15.18 | Coweater | i think it says some linux companies got rich at one point |
| 06:15.22 | xttyx | I know of with Solaris |
| 06:15.27 | xttyx | FreeBSD |
| 06:15.29 | xttyx | NetBSD |
| 06:15.32 | gold44 | o shit, useless commons from xttyx again |
| 06:15.51 | xttyx | o shit go learn how to use google idiot |
| 06:16.01 | xttyx | get yourself a favour |
| 06:16.15 | fignew | !ops xttyx |
| 06:16.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: fignew complains about: xttyx |
| 06:16.20 | xttyx | instead of asking questions on IRC every minutes |
| 06:16.25 | fignew | I've had enough fun with you |
| 06:16.31 | gold44 | o shit go take a piss and look at yourself you dumb fuck |
| 06:16.33 | peterS | xttyx: dude. enough. |
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| 06:16.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:16.47 | peterS | no abuse kthx |
| 06:16.56 | deadcat | looks like somebody's having a case of the MONdays |
| 06:17.20 | glam | whj: I kill tracked, now it seems that the file system is not growing so far. |
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| 06:19.21 | JustSoul | How to check in what runlevel i'm now? |
| 06:19.41 | glam | df |
| 06:19.59 | fignew | gold44: you figure it out? |
| 06:20.24 | fignew | JustSoul: command "runlevel" :) |
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| 06:20.47 | JustSoul | fignew: thx, =) |
| 06:21.25 | tengulre | hi,how to known memory of a app? |
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| 06:23.31 | Kiirani | rrrgh! |
| 06:24.21 | glam | I wonder I do I get back my disk space, eat up by trackerd? |
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| 06:25.42 | frog | s there any quick way to debug the document? |
| 06:25.55 | frog | *tex document |
| 06:26.05 | kgoetz | trackerd? |
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| 06:27.42 | icedtea | are any open source programs like VMWare where I can run debian and vista? |
| 06:28.14 | craigevil | icedtea: you can try virtualbox |
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| 06:30.18 | icedtea | craigevil: thanks |
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| 06:37.40 | RSi | why did a aptitude safe-upgrade move my kernel back from 2.6.22 to 2.6.18? |
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| 06:38.47 | RSi | it moved me to stable, when im on testing... |
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| 06:48.41 | reZo | hi, what desktop environment / wm does the "desktop environment" install on debian's net install? |
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| 06:48.52 | reZo | and what does the "standard system" option include? |
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| 06:51.06 | reZo | never mind about the environment question, |
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| 06:52.15 | reZo | okay never mind about any questions |
| 06:52.17 | reZo | <3 docs |
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| 06:56.20 | reZo | yay, new installation complete |
| 06:56.26 | reZo | that didn't take long at all! |
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| 06:57.32 | Supaplex | np. that'll be $85 |
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| 06:58.44 | superlime | if I somehow have a single partition LVM2 container with my rootfs in it, is there an easy way to migrate that root partition to a normal ext3 partition? |
| 06:59.30 | superlime | or do I need to move all the data somewhere else, reformat, then move it back? |
| 07:00.03 | reZo | lol Supaplex |
| 07:00.18 | icedtea | craigevil: wow this is really cool |
| 07:00.28 | reZo | with a new installation, should i install xserver-xorg before fluxbox or after? |
| 07:00.35 | reZo | or xorg not xserver-xorg or what? |
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| 07:00.56 | craigevil | you need xorg to run flux or any other desktop |
| 07:01.30 | reZo | :) |
| 07:01.30 | craigevil | icedtea: yep i play around with diff distros in vbox |
| 07:02.18 | icedtea | I can have both windows and linux running, the best of both worlds |
| 07:02.54 | Supaplex | some of us only need linux :) |
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| 07:03.07 | Rat409 | indeed :) |
| 07:03.33 | maligor | like running linux, virtualized fullscreen with twm, on windows? |
| 07:03.55 | maligor | you get the fantastic windows kernel and the splendor or twm |
| 07:04.15 | icedtea | heh |
| 07:04.17 | Rat409 | lol |
| 07:04.32 | Vambo | Thanks folks! /me is a happy debian newbie with a very succesful install |
| 07:04.35 | Vambo | Goodnight |
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| 07:10.04 | Kiirani | Aand up to testing we go |
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| 07:18.49 | _moep_ | hi |
| 07:18.55 | Zoup | Heres the problem ;) on my laptop ( resolution 1024x800 ) font size are quite OK , but on monitor output ( resolution 1280x1024) the appear quite small , font size is 7 ( which IS small ) but when i set font on monitor system to higher values , the appear huge on laptop |
| 07:19.48 | NetEcho | does apt-get install apache2 also install the apache2 sh script in init.d? |
| 07:21.22 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: it's in apache2-common, but yes. |
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| 07:21.31 | NetEcho | ah thats why |
| 07:21.37 | simonrvn | 2.2 |
| 07:21.44 | simonrvn | </nitpick> |
| 07:21.50 | NetEcho | cause the script is pointing to a non-existant apache instalation |
| 07:22.00 | _moep_ | hi i get an error if i upgrade from etch to lenny: http://mypaste.ja-s.de/1292 |
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| 07:22.30 | _moep_ | somebody get an idea what i can do? |
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| 07:24.41 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro I'm having some issues with apache2 all together my friend decided to compile apache2 and screw with the apt-version now the files are spread all over and nothing is working |
| 07:24.54 | NetEcho | how do I remove all instances of apache and start from scratch? |
| 07:25.18 | NetEcho | with php and mysql as well |
| 07:25.53 | NetEcho | should I rm -rf /*apache* ? |
| 07:26.00 | Rat409 | apt-get remove --purge <pkgnamehere> |
| 07:26.14 | NetEcho | will that purge manually compiled stuff too? |
| 07:26.23 | Rat409 | no |
| 07:26.43 | NetEcho | see buddy decided to go and compile apache |
| 07:26.50 | NetEcho | hense why crap is broken |
| 07:26.51 | Rat409 | unless you built a debian pkg .deb |
| 07:27.07 | Rat409 | yuh |
| 07:27.42 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: you'll have to go figure out what that package installed and remove it manually. |
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| 07:30.48 | NetEcho | <3 locate |
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| 07:32.35 | NetEcho | problem now fixed :d |
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| 07:32.54 | superlime | anyone know how to clear the LVM2 superblock at the end of a drive? |
| 07:32.59 | superlime | erm, end of a partition? |
| 07:33.28 | tralala | I didn't know lvm has superblocks |
| 07:33.49 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro, Rat409: thanks for your help |
| 07:34.48 | superlime | so far it sounds like it is in the last 4k of the disk |
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| 07:37.18 | Rat409 | NetEcho: glad you got it sorted out night all |
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| 07:41.56 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:42.24 | NetEcho | weird I followed all the steps for installing php5 with apache via apt-get and added the filetype assocs in the config yet it still doesn't recognize php |
| 07:42.38 | NetEcho | aha |
| 07:42.45 | NetEcho | cause its not opening index.php as default |
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| 07:43.49 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 07:43.49 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
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| 07:46.54 | NetEcho | liable php is working just it seems none of the apache confs have a DirectoryIndex setting |
| 07:47.40 | liable | whats directory indexes got to do with it? |
| 07:47.58 | NetEcho | because it doesn't go to index.php by default |
| 07:48.06 | NetEcho | if I tell it to go to index.php it works |
| 07:48.09 | optical | hi, i'm having trouble with a broken file, i think i gathered all needed information here: http://6b5650b68a8a8fff.paste.se/ |
| 07:48.09 | NetEcho | let me show you |
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| 07:49.02 | liable | NetEcho: do you havre an index.html in there as well or something? |
| 07:49.02 | NetEcho | or mozilla is being a dick |
| 07:49.10 | NetEcho | cause when I closed and reloaded the browser it works now |
| 07:49.44 | NetEcho | liable does dpkg have any useful information on administering the default mysql server that apt installs? |
| 07:49.51 | liable | thats what the factoid says :P |
| 07:49.52 | NetEcho | !mysql |
| 07:49.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mysql is A fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It supports a wide range of advanced functionality such as views, transaction support, recovery functionality etc. It is the world's most popular open source database. The database is packed as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Futher information can be found at http://mysql.com and #mysql and #debian-mysql (on OFTC). |
| 07:50.08 | NetEcho | liable I'm a dumbass lol |
| 07:50.13 | liable | NetEcho: there's phpmyadmin or something |
| 07:50.18 | NetEcho | liable I have it |
| 07:50.21 | NetEcho | do I just login as root? |
| 07:50.34 | liable | so fire up a web browser and take a look |
| 07:50.44 | NetEcho | http://home.blacklightfury.com/phpmyadmin/ |
| 07:50.48 | NetEcho | no clue what to login as |
| 07:51.12 | liable | i tried it for 30 seconds and thought fuck it, for my tiny mysql tasks, i just make the rules |
| 07:51.21 | NetEcho | lol |
| 07:51.34 | NetEcho | I do like Phpmyadmin just never been on the administration side of things lol |
| 07:52.08 | NetEcho | also do you know how to make it so when you go to http://myurl/ it doesn't automaticly show /apache2-default/ in the browser? |
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| 07:52.48 | liable | havent seen that before |
| 07:53.06 | _moep_ | can i reinstall xmms under lenny again? |
| 07:53.08 | liable | oh, do you get the 'it works' page? |
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| 07:53.20 | NetEcho | yea I take it just make something in /var/www or something? |
| 07:53.30 | liable | make a vhost |
| 07:53.34 | NetEcho | :o? |
| 07:53.40 | liable | optical: where did that file come from? |
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| 07:55.15 | NetEcho | liable it would seem the apt-get install already made one |
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| 07:55.22 | NetEcho | is there any special options I have to add to it? |
| 07:55.32 | liable | NetEcho: man a2ensite |
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| 07:55.41 | \amethyst | NetEcho: the easiest way: copy /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to 'mysite' in the same directory |
| 07:55.48 | liable | NetEcho: go read some apache docs. they are very good |
| 07:55.58 | NetEcho | kk |
| 07:56.13 | \amethyst | NetEcho: then edit 'mysite' and remove the apache2-default bit, then a2dissite default; a2ensite mysite and restart apache |
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| 08:00.52 | liable | hrm debian-mutimedia is playing up |
| 08:02.51 | NetEcho | liable man a2ensite doesn't come up |
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| 08:04.39 | NetEcho | tehre we go |
| 08:04.43 | susanne-- | last night i came here about a problem with a usb drive on a mac mini mysteriously disconnecting. the suggestion was to try replacing the hub. i've done so, with a 7-port d-link. but this hasn't solved the issue. same accomdata 750g drive, but this time, the drive disconnected while i was actively reading from it. dmesg here: http://pastebin.com/d51f5a014 after the disconnect, it recovered and reconnected and i was able to re |
| 08:04.54 | NetEcho | \amethyst any experience with phpmyadmin when installed via apt-get? |
| 08:05.16 | susanne-- | NetEcho: "works for me." What's your grief with it? |
| 08:05.24 | NetEcho | dunno how to log into it |
| 08:05.35 | NetEcho | I've never really admined a MySQL server |
| 08:05.36 | susanne-- | you need to use your mysql username and password. |
| 08:05.41 | NetEcho | just only used databases |
| 08:05.45 | NetEcho | I don't have one yet |
| 08:06.08 | liable | the mysql online docs are really good too :P |
| 08:06.10 | NetEcho | I just installed mysql and phpmyadmin along with php and apache |
| 08:06.22 | susanne-- | NetEcho: when you installed mysql, i believe it asked you for a root password. if it didn't, set one up. start here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html |
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| 08:06.50 | smhar | What mirrors have the latest kernel images for lenny? I am using ftp.be ftp.de ftp.at ftp.dk and the only thing I see is 2.6.22-3 |
| 08:07.03 | susanne-- | that is the latest kernel in the archives. |
| 08:07.12 | susanne-- | smhar if you want something later you get to roll your own. |
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| 08:08.24 | smhar | susanne--, oh, I thought there is another one in repositories already |
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| 08:08.37 | susanne-- | !tell smhar about make-kpkg |
| 08:08.55 | Sl3dgY | susanne--: A USB key drive or external harddrive? |
| 08:09.13 | susanne-- | susanne--: when was the last time you saw a 750g key? :-) |
| 08:09.41 | Sl3dgY | heh |
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| 08:09.43 | susanne-- | bah. anyway. :-) |
| 08:10.12 | Sl3dgY | Tried replacing the USB cable |
| 08:10.42 | maligor | a luggage sized key maybe |
| 08:10.45 | Sl3dgY | Times I've had those kind of issues where either hardware failure or cable/power related issues |
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| 08:11.36 | susanne-- | http://www.acomdata.com/hdp/harddrives-HDXXXUFAPE5-72.html that's the drive, although it's actually a 750 and the web page hasn't been updated to reflect. it's formatted ext3. |
| 08:12.50 | nekostar | is there a way to get debian to load to ram on boot? |
| 08:13.14 | susanne-- | nekostar: that is a meaningless question. please describe in greater detail what you're trying to accomplish or what problem you're trying to solve. |
| 08:13.22 | nekostar | oo and speaking of which any opinions on best reliable 750gb hdd? |
| 08:13.34 | nekostar | susanne-- i'm building new system should be up and running in a few days |
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| 08:14.01 | maligor | reliable usually means raid 1 |
| 08:14.04 | nekostar | i would like to write root to ram and keep going as i boot- greater boot time is acceptable, for performance while running |
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| 08:14.35 | nekostar | should have 8GB in new system so is plenty to make say a 3GB ramdisk and load / into it |
| 08:15.50 | maligor | depending on who you ask, you'll always get a different answer to who makes reliable disks |
| 08:16.06 | susanne-- | re drives: i have two of these: http://www.maxstore.com/product.asp?sku=3706865 one of these: http://www.maxstore.com/product.asp?sku=3338669 except a 750 model, and the acomdata previously described. i'm having trouble with the acomdata but no trouble with the maxtors. |
| 08:16.18 | nekostar | yeah i know maligor but i'm about to purchase 4-5 of em and thats a large purchase for me lol |
| 08:16.35 | maligor | WD AAKS disks are pretty nice too |
| 08:16.48 | maligor | oh.. external? |
| 08:16.53 | nekostar | no internal |
| 08:17.05 | nekostar | oh susanne--'s are |
| 08:17.18 | maligor | well, I have a 360GB WD AAKS, it's quite fast and doesn't have a nasty operating noise |
| 08:17.23 | susanne-- | raid 1 permits only two drives. in any event, the answer to your question: most fs writes will be cached, and you don't want root written to a ram drive in any event. syncing will be problematic. |
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| 08:17.33 | maligor | couldn't say much for reliability since it's pretty new |
| 08:18.15 | maligor | never used 'enterprise' disks, so couldn't comment on those |
| 08:18.53 | nekostar | maligor do you raid them? |
| 08:18.57 | maligor | no |
| 08:19.00 | nekostar | hm |
| 08:19.12 | nekostar | yeah i like the idea of raid but i dont think i actually will |
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| 08:19.43 | maligor | WD has a Raid Edition also |
| 08:20.06 | nekostar | yeah |
| 08:20.32 | maligor | I've used a variety of disks and never had major issues with any of them |
| 08:20.34 | susanne-- | i'm considering alternatives on this mac i have. i've got all these drives and some timing issues on all of them. i may simply convert them all to vfat and load os/x instead. supposedlly 10.5 runs better than 10.4 (which is good because 10.4 was a dog on the mini) |
| 08:20.48 | susanne-- | "timing issues on some of them." |
| 08:20.49 | maligor | aside from one samsung |
| 08:20.53 | nekostar | timing issues? |
| 08:21.01 | nekostar | maligor let me guess its a f1 |
| 08:21.03 | nekostar | ;p |
| 08:21.03 | susanne-- | my disconnects. |
| 08:21.16 | maligor | no, some older model |
| 08:21.21 | nekostar | susanne-- hm, is it happening when its not being written to for a while? |
| 08:21.41 | nekostar | i think i read somewhere about this thing where when some drive or other is idle a while it spins down and poof its disappeared |
| 08:22.16 | susanne-- | nekostar no, this latest iteration happened while i was dumping data from it (in case it goes south on me) |
| 08:22.20 | susanne-- | it was in active use |
| 08:22.24 | nekostar | wierd.. |
| 08:22.32 | nekostar | run disk utils on it? |
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| 08:22.59 | susanne-- | disk utils ... such as? |
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| 08:23.34 | nekostar | check if disk is dying |
| 08:23.44 | susanne-- | with what tool? smart doesn't work over usb. |
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| 08:24.00 | tralala | susanne--, badblocks |
| 08:24.21 | susanne-- | can that be run while the drive is mounted, or do i need to unmount? |
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| 08:24.45 | tralala | susanne--, it can |
| 08:26.01 | NetEcho | susanne-- does your users in phpmyadmin all see information_schema as a database? |
| 08:26.37 | susanne-- | NetEcho depends on which user. |
| 08:26.57 | NetEcho | I made a user with access to database jordan but it only sees information_schema |
| 08:27.11 | susanne-- | then you didn't give it privs to see anything else. |
| 08:27.25 | NetEcho | I gave it full privs to the new database tho |
| 08:27.31 | susanne-- | suggest finding your root password and using that. |
| 08:28.29 | NetEcho | using root for user databases? |
| 08:28.39 | NetEcho | I used root to add this user |
| 08:28.49 | NetEcho | but I'm not installing a website to the root account |
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| 08:30.07 | susanne-- | root should also be a user in mysql. it is a separate password, and you should set that password and then log into that account with phpmyadmin. that will let you see, for example, whether the reason you're seeing only information_schema with this user is that your database instance is somehow jacked (i.e., you've deleted dbs you shouldn't have), if your permissions on this user are jacked (most likely), or if you didn't create |
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| 08:31.38 | susanne-- | can i dd an iso image onto a usb drive (such as, say, my ipod)? |
| 08:31.57 | NetEcho | I have root user in mysql |
| 08:32.08 | susanne-- | so log into phpmyadmin with that user. |
| 08:32.14 | tralala | susanne--, I'd rather not. Why do you want to do that? |
| 08:32.15 | Sl3dgY | susanne--: shouldn't be a problem |
| 08:32.18 | NetEcho | susanne-- I did |
| 08:32.29 | NetEcho | and I made a database then granted all privaleges to my non root user |
| 08:32.40 | xored | what does acutally that dns zone map to 0.in-addr.arpa ? |
| 08:32.57 | Sl3dgY | I've put an image on a usb key using dd before |
| 08:33.43 | susanne-- | tralala: i have an iso image of an installer dvd, but no dual layer disc to get it on. i have an ipod that i can sacrifice (knowing i can always restore it later) that's large enough to hold the image. thus, i get my iso without having to go to wal mart. |
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| 08:34.47 | susanne-- | my transfer off that drive died again. damn. okay, this is a great time to replace the cable as suggested. |
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| 08:35.47 | tralala | susanne--, I don't think usbs can be booted as a cdrom, but if you can restore the ipod there's nothing wrong with trying. If it doesn't work you can always copy the .iso from a loop mount and make the usb bootable using one of the methods described in the wiki |
| 08:36.19 | liable | bah, i thought i would give NM a whirl on my eee to make life easier. now its being a pita |
| 08:37.18 | susanne-- | tralala: booting from USB is hardware-dependent, isn't it? i believe my mac mini is capable of such a feat. so i'll try it, assuming i can find my mac cable, which i may or may not be able to do. |
| 08:37.22 | tralala | liable, you've got an eee? Is it any good? Is debian happy with it? |
| 08:37.23 | susanne-- | my ipod cable |
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| 08:38.11 | tralala | susanne--, yes, it is bios dependent (or whatever mac's bios equivalent is) |
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| 08:38.46 | tralala | on a pc I've seen usb floppy boot, usb hdd boot and usb zip boot methods |
| 08:38.51 | liable | tralala: ya, I like it. good for long flights (movies) and short stays away from home (just throw it in the bag and not worry about it) |
| 08:39.16 | liable | tralala: debian works fine on it. even compizzle |
| 08:39.25 | Sl3dgY | tralala: The eee is great, the debian wiki page about them has had an awefull lot of activity of late |
| 08:39.29 | tralala | liable, what do you run on it? Testing? |
| 08:39.33 | liable | which my t60p still cant fucking do.. |
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| 08:39.38 | liable | tralala: sid |
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| 08:40.41 | tralala | now I envy you eee owners! |
| 08:41.01 | liable | tralala: go buy one.. they're cheap :) |
| 08:41.21 | Sl3dgY | liable: Did you implement anything to prevent writes to the SSD? |
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| 08:42.04 | liable | Sl3dgY: just noatime |
| 08:42.20 | Sl3dgY | and ext2? |
| 08:42.26 | dutchfish | liable, what will be the mtbf ~ ? |
| 08:42.45 | Sl3dgY | liable: I was wondering how difficult getting a union fs similar to the default OS would be |
| 08:42.50 | amphi | liable: your t60p can't run compiz? |
| 08:42.53 | liable | Sl3dgY: several people say to use ext2 but i ended up putting a journal on mine due to losing logs in unclean shutdowns, and apparently it makes fuck all difference anyway. |
| 08:42.54 | tralala | liable, my wife will kick me out of home - I already have two thinkpads and a third laptop would be hard to justify |
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| 08:44.29 | liable | amphi: well, fglrx finally supports aiglx, but debians kde-window thing crashes on me. I had xgl on it 18 months ago, but it got tiring to compile to keep up with debians mesa etc |
| 08:45.32 | liable | tralala: give her a thinkpad and claim you need another travelling one :) |
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| 08:46.13 | liable | Sl3dgY: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ssd_write_limit |
| 08:46.13 | susanne-- | i think i'm going to wind up doing the data preservation dance and converting this mac back to os/x for this project. the drives i'm using directly support os/x, which make me think i'll have less trouble with these disconnects. |
| 08:46.24 | amphi | liable: yeah, fglrx is a major pita from what I hear; if you mean k-w-d, you could perhaps try emerald |
| 08:46.27 | smhar | is it possible to extract the .config file from an installed stock kernel inorder to be used as a basis for a custom compile? |
| 08:46.39 | tralala | liable, what a pity I didn't marry a stupid girl... this would've worked |
| 08:46.45 | susanne-- | smhar: /boot/config* |
| 08:46.54 | liable | amphi: i dont want to go outside debian repos, so I just bitch and moan about it :) |
| 08:47.04 | amphi | liable: ;) |
| 08:47.17 | susanne-- | smhar: cp /boot/config[installedversion] .config && make oldconfig && etc etc etc |
| 08:47.34 | liable | and compiling that sort of thing, i have lost interest in.. |
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| 08:48.16 | amphi | liable: it was trivial to write a git update and build anything that changed script |
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| 08:49.05 | smhar | thanks susanne-- |
| 08:49.07 | liable | amphi: after compiling xgl for a few months, it took the energy out of me. |
| 08:49.48 | amphi | liable: oh, xgl - I've been spared that (old radeon and intel) here |
| 08:49.51 | Airbottl1 | hey, i tried to install lenny yesterday, but i got always a freeze when configuring ssl-cert, when i look in terminal, this is the last message: groupadd[26424]:new group: name=ssl-cert, GID=103 |
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| 08:50.19 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, empty entropy pool ? |
| 08:50.58 | Airbottl1 | no, just a hang in the installation, i can switch to terminal, but it just hangs there |
| 08:51.29 | liable | amphi: that was ages ago, and I actually ran vesa on this box for about twelve months in disgust of fglrx. I have only recently gotten around to trying again, and of course am still sorely dissapointed.. |
| 08:51.35 | Airbottl1 | its actually not a freeze because i still am able to interact with the computer |
| 08:51.38 | susanne-- | is there a utility that will non-destructively convert ext2/3 to vfat? (please spare me the sarcasm) |
| 08:51.48 | liable | no |
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| 08:52.33 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, if this is a desktop, browse some, or wiggle the mouse to fill entropy pool, prolly it not hangs but waits for more random data |
| 08:52.39 | susanne-- | bummer. |
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| 08:53.34 | amphi | liable: aye - I hear the fglrx that supports aiglx is not great either |
| 08:53.40 | susanne-- | so replacing the cable didn't fix my usb disconnect issue. dmesg at http://pastebin.com/d51f5a014 ... this is happening while the drive is in active use, it's not a spindown issue |
| 08:53.47 | dutchfish | susanne--, if it is less the 50% full, you can use gparted to shrink it that much, make a new fat part. copy data over, del ext part, grow fat partiton |
| 08:53.55 | Airbottl1 | how long should i wait dutchfish? |
| 08:54.14 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, this can take some minutes not longer |
| 08:54.25 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, but there must be interaction |
| 08:54.27 | Airbottl1 | i waited 10 minutes |
| 08:54.40 | Airbottl1 | ok |
| 08:54.42 | susanne-- | dutchfish: since i'm doing this conversion on multiple drives, i may as well dump to a single drive, convert many, dump back, convert final. but same same, yes. |
| 08:54.53 | dutchfish | susanne--, yes |
| 08:55.24 | Airbottl1 | maybe i'll try again in a couple of hours |
| 08:55.47 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, it normally take a few minutes not longer |
| 08:56.09 | Airbottl1 | ok, thanks dutchfish |
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| 09:02.08 | NetEcho | holy hell |
| 09:02.23 | NetEcho | apache and mysql increase the average server load by a lot |
| 09:03.54 | dutchfish | NetEcho, there is a lot to tweak with apache to make it more iffecient to your use |
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| 09:04.36 | ronr | anyone knows a good tool to backup a lot of data (actually, I want to make a backup of backuppc data) to a usb disk (I tried dar but since I got quite a bit of data, it requires 16GB RAM to function, I only got 750MB + 2GB swap) |
| 09:04.39 | linkslice-home | I just ran apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade followed by a reboot but the machines aren't coming up |
| 09:05.08 | dutchfish | ronr, why not rsync? |
| 09:05.57 | ronr | dutchfish: the r in rsync is for remote right? the usb disk is attached to the local machine running backuppc |
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| 09:06.24 | dutchfish | ronr, rsync can do local syncs perfectly as well, np |
| 09:06.57 | dutchfish | ronr, actually its very efficient for that purpose |
| 09:07.00 | ronr | dutchfish: ok, and rsync can do incremental backups as well? |
| 09:07.21 | dutchfish | ronr, for the there is a scipt that uses rsync |
| 09:07.28 | dutchfish | ronr, script* |
| 09:07.51 | ronr | dutchfish: what script is that (where do I get it?) |
| 09:08.03 | dutchfish | ronr, hold on i forgot name i look it up |
| 09:09.41 | dutchfish | ronr, http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
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| 09:10.35 | ronr | dutchfish: thanks! |
| 09:10.39 | dutchfish | ronr, its also conservative with space, it uses clever symlinks |
| 09:12.09 | ronr | dutchfish: I don't think backuppc uses symlinks and already does a lot of compressing (like backing up 1500 GB in 150GB) |
| 09:12.20 | dutchfish | ronr, its even in the repos: rsnapshot |
| 09:13.16 | dutchfish | ronr, sure, but rsnapshot doesnt eat your machine |
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| 09:15.11 | ronr | dutchfish: well, I got a backuppc setup that backups up about 15 machines, but it's located near 3 of the machines it backs up, so I need some backup I can take home, that's where rsnapshot'll come in |
| 09:15.40 | dutchfish | ronr, maybe |
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| 09:16.19 | dutchfish | ronr, just try it out, i use rsnapshot for all the automated backups because i leek its speed |
| 09:16.26 | dutchfish | ronr, like* |
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| 09:16.39 | ronr | dutchfish: I'm reading the docs now |
| 09:17.24 | dutchfish | ronr, also handy when you need just one file out of thousands, just copy it back ;) |
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| 09:22.53 | Noboru | hi guys,is it possible to use mobile phone to log in ssh ? |
| 09:23.14 | Noboru | so i dont have to run into a net coffee house to do server stuff when in need :( |
| 09:23.20 | anarchos | what would happen if i stuck ubuntu's source.list into my debian etchs' source.list? been using debian for year, dont like change, but i want some updated packages...:P |
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| 09:23.55 | tarzeau | anarchos: you'd mess up your system |
| 09:24.06 | anarchos | :( |
| 09:24.14 | tarzeau | anarchos: i have some scripts to switch between them (but really it's not supported and a mess): www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/ |
| 09:24.18 | amphi | anarchos: you'd enter a world of pain |
| 09:24.40 | tarzeau | anarchos: just pick the packages and rebuild them and install them you want updated? |
| 09:24.49 | tarzeau | anarchos: that's what backports is good for |
| 09:25.03 | amphi | anarchos: or upgrade to testing |
| 09:25.05 | tarzeau | i'd also like a later hugin in debian :( |
| 09:25.09 | anarchos | i cant compile unfourtunatly |
| 09:25.17 | tarzeau | amphi: some packages are not even up to date in testing, nor unstable, nor experimental |
| 09:25.17 | anarchos | because of hardware restrictions |
| 09:25.24 | tarzeau | amphi: there exist packages that are later in ubuntu |
| 09:25.27 | anarchos | lol |
| 09:25.41 | amphi | tarzeau: testing is up to date enough for me |
| 09:25.49 | tarzeau | amphi: that's nice for you |
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| 09:25.49 | liable | dont put ubuntu repos in your etch box |
| 09:26.01 | amphi | it is |
| 09:27.20 | anarchos | ok next question, bit off topic seeing as this is a debian channel, but i really just run the base install of debian, not much else besides a few packages here and there. if i switched to ubuntu, just the base install, how debian-like would it be? |
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| 09:27.38 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 09:27.39 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 09:27.49 | streuner_ | tarzeau: still alive? |
| 09:27.51 | anarchos | mrf |
| 09:27.51 | anarchos | ok |
| 09:27.57 | tarzeau | streuner_: you want me dead? |
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| 09:27.59 | anarchos | sory =) |
| 09:28.09 | streuner_ | tarzeau: no |
| 09:28.36 | streuner_ | tarzeau: you ask sometimes questions |
| 09:28.36 | tarzeau | streuner_: sure, i don't plan to die during the next 30 years |
| 09:28.55 | tarzeau | streuner_: "still alive?" has a negative touch. still as in "immer noch am leben?" |
| 09:29.30 | streuner_ | tarzeau: it also means, you aren't dead, so wth are you did the whole time then |
| 09:29.34 | liable | still alive, but grunpy today. :P |
| 09:29.42 | tarzeau | liable: hah! you wish |
| 09:30.12 | tarzeau | streuner_: i've had some great snow holidays at several nice places and some other good time. what about yourself? |
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| 09:30.32 | streuner_ | tarzeau: same buisness as usual ;-) |
| 09:30.50 | streuner_ | tarzeau: work, work and work - no holidays :-) |
| 09:30.50 | tarzeau | streuner_: i don't really know what your business is... |
| 09:31.11 | tarzeau | streuner_: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/panorama/ |
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| 09:32.18 | streuner_ | tarzeau: very nice |
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| 09:41.38 | ronr | dutchfish: rsnapshot is making the first backup now, so far everything looks to be working great, thx for the help |
| 09:41.50 | tralala | which programme is notifying (in console) you when there's new mail? |
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| 09:42.00 | mauser | hi all! what is the command to run the serial terminal on debian 4.0? I want to use the com port to connect to a cisco device |
| 09:42.26 | tralala | mauser, minicom |
| 09:42.28 | Roobarb | mauser: minicom ? |
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| 09:42.46 | petemc | mauser: screen |
| 09:43.53 | tarzeau | or cu |
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| 09:47.35 | mauser | thanks, any of them in standard base? |
| 09:47.58 | petemc | no |
| 09:48.16 | liable | cat and echo ;) |
| 09:49.09 | mauser | )))) |
| 09:49.27 | petemc | aptitude install screen |
| 09:49.35 | petemc | its a useful app to have |
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| 09:53.17 | crumblenaut | what could cause MIME-encoded email attachments to be garbled? |
| 09:53.33 | crumblenaut | im seeing MIME data with extra characters in lines, thus corrupting attachments |
| 09:55.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | mail server/client would be obvious options |
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| 09:57.56 | smhar | is dual core cpu considered an SMP? |
| 09:58.10 | tarzeau | smhar: yes |
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| 10:08.22 | ^shark_ | who of you has ever seen such a network address 128.0.0.0 in your routing table and what does it mean!? i expected to see 127.0.0.0 instead |
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| 10:17.25 | Roobarb | ^shark_: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space |
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| 10:18.48 | anarchos | extreme low memory system: syslogd and klogd, can i kill em? if i crash i guess ill be out of luck with error messages, but do they affect anything else? |
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| 10:19.16 | Roobarb | anarchos: nope, hence why you can restart them |
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| 10:19.55 | anarchos | sweet. so yeah, i did a /etc/init.d/.... stop on them..how do i get them to not start at boot? |
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| 10:20.35 | Roobarb | remove the Sxxxxx symlinks from /etc/rc.d/rcX.d/ |
| 10:20.51 | anarchos | cheers |
| 10:24.52 | tralala | which programme is notifying you (in console) when there's new mail? |
| 10:25.09 | Roobarb | biff ? |
| 10:25.17 | TuxCrafter | anarchos use the update-rc.d systesm] |
| 10:25.29 | tralala | thanks, Roobarb |
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| 10:28.48 | PythonNi1ja | i just upgraded my distro (lenny) for the first time in 6 months, now i'm being told that my C compiler cannot create executables... ideas? |
| 10:29.00 | ArtVandalae | Pyro, more details please |
| 10:29.56 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.11 | ^shark_ | Roobarb: its my routing table |
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| 10:30.40 | PythonNi1ja | oops |
| 10:30.52 | susanne-- | i think i may have found my reset problem. a little testing will tell me ... but ... careful application of google leads me to believe that it's a kernel bug. there was a thread about it for a branch of 2.6.24 on lkml in late january. |
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| 10:31.47 | PythonNi1ja | killed E, anyway, yes gcc now seems thouroughly broken.. ideas for a quick fix? i think i managed to break it halfway through compiling my window manager... (also yes i didn't realise that i'd left that compile in the background when upgrading.. any quick way to quickly make it reinstall all the debs i just downloaded?) |
| 10:31.53 | Roobarb | ^shark_: 128.0.0.0 is actually the start of the original Class-B address space |
| 10:32.31 | susanne-- | 192.168.1.0/24 should be enough for anybody ... |
| 10:32.47 | kfiggle | hi guys can somebody give me a clue which kernel supports PAE 32 bit ? atm i am running 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:33.19 | kfiggle | i'd like to use ALL my available ram |
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| 10:33.55 | ^shark_ | Roobarb: why aren't i seeing 127.0.0.0 instead? i am told this happens when i am using some vpn software but i am only tesing openswan and i certainly dont use it for any connectivity |
| 10:33.57 | Roobarb | ^shark_: as an aside, my IP Address is within 128.98.0., so its a valid netblock |
| 10:34.42 | Roobarb | ^shark_: use "ip a" instead |
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| 10:41.31 | anarchos | is there a way to install things without all their 'dependencies'? not like...regular dependencies. but like, im trying to install php but its trying to install apache2 and all this other shit, but im using lightppd....... |
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| 10:43.53 | msshams | hi, i use apache with php4. now i installed php5 but, my apache see php4 yet. how can i tell apache that use php5? |
| 10:44.53 | liable | a2enmod? |
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| 10:48.38 | jelly | kfiggle: the -bigmem builds are supposed to |
| 10:48.45 | JustSoul | What's mean ':magnet.oftc.net 338 JustSoul dpkg 255.255.255.255 :actually using host' ? |
| 10:49.10 | susanne-- | i'm doing massive local file copies. is there a tool that gives good indication of speed and ETA besides rsync? esp want something for the entire transfer, not just for the current file |
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| 10:49.51 | AlferedHichcok | i cant understand. where to put BASE dc=example,dc=com and what does the comands in 'Populating The LDAP Tree' heading in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer means........ can any one help? |
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| 10:50.17 | jelly | AlferedHichcok: #ldap ? |
| 10:50.23 | AlferedHichcok | no help there |
| 10:50.26 | susanne-- | AlferedHichcok: #ubuntu? |
| 10:50.34 | AlferedHichcok | niether... |
| 10:50.39 | susanne-- | are you using debian? |
| 10:50.51 | AlferedHichcok | kubuntu. its debian |
| 10:51.01 | susanne-- | !tell AlferedHichcok about ubuntu |
| 10:51.02 | jelly | AlferedHichcok: you won't get help here if it's not proper debian |
| 10:51.16 | AlferedHichcok | ok. its debian. |
| 10:51.23 | susanne-- | liar. now go away. |
| 10:51.38 | AlferedHichcok | i have debian too |
| 10:51.53 | AlferedHichcok | ldap is the same for those ... buntu or debian |
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| 10:52.12 | susanne-- | !tell AlferedHichcok about stfu |
| 10:52.23 | jelly | AlferedHichcok: no, really. Those guys over in distro-based-on-debian might be doing something subtly different, and we don't want to break your system. |
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| 10:52.46 | susanne-- | actually i do but i'm not going to bother, i have other problems with my REAL debian system atm. |
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| 10:53.26 | marked | I'm having trouble with disk quotas. As far as I can tell, I have them all set to unlimited, but I am still getting disk quota exceeded errors. Can anyone suggest what I'm screwing up? |
| 10:53.49 | ArtVandalae | marked, do you have enough space? df -h |
| 10:54.02 | marked | ArtVandalae: yes, plenty |
| 10:54.03 | ronr | marked: if you set all quotas to unlimited, why do you use them in the first place and not just disable quota |
| 10:54.15 | Enf0rc3r | <Enf0rc3r> im trying to make aterm transparent and borderless |
| 10:54.15 | Enf0rc3r | <Enf0rc3r> so each time I start aterm it loads like that |
| 10:54.15 | Enf0rc3r | <Enf0rc3r> with shading too |
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| 10:54.59 | marked | ronr: that's complicated. I want to leave them in place for future use. |
| 10:55.16 | ArtVandalae | Enf0rc3r, how are you launching aterm? |
| 10:55.27 | Enf0rc3r | from the fluxbox menu |
| 10:55.46 | ArtVandalae | change your fluxbox menu to launch: aterm +your arguments |
| 10:56.17 | ArtVandalae | so (for example): aterm --transparency=on (note: this probably aren't the exact flags, but you get the point) |
| 10:56.58 | ArtVandalae | alternatively, you could always mess around with /usr/bin :)... but I suggest staying away from that |
| 10:57.16 | ronr | marked: and if you fetch the quota for the user that gets quota errors, it confirms unlimited quota? |
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| 10:58.27 | kn4rF | good morning |
| 10:58.35 | marked | ronr: I am running repquota -a, and the user in question has zeros across the line, except for the "used" columns. |
| 10:58.45 | Enf0rc3r | whats the right flags? |
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| 10:59.52 | kn4rF | is IceWeasel code identic to Firefox's or there are some little differences? |
| 10:59.56 | ronr | marked: and the exact error if you try to do something that reports broken quotas? |
| 11:00.45 | marked | ronr: well, rsync reports an i/o error, but ftp reports "disk quota exceeded" |
| 11:01.03 | marked | ronr: and if I do `quotaoff /` the problems go away |
| 11:01.10 | susanne-- | kn4rF: it's slightly different but not in ways you'd notice. it's not called "firefox" in debian because of a trademark pissing match. |
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| 11:01.32 | kn4rF | i know why it's called differently |
| 11:01.50 | kn4rF | would know if code is egual or there are some little differences |
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| 11:02.06 | kn4rF | pls link me any source to read |
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| 11:02.24 | susanne-- | install it and read the changelog. |
| 11:02.27 | ronr | marked: and quota <user> reports the same information as repquota -a? |
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| 11:03.09 | xinming | anyone here can tell how to solve this problem? the apt-get procedure hanging at "Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.15) ..." |
| 11:03.09 | marked | yes, it reports "quota for user: none" |
| 11:03.42 | asch | I like to compile an own program and I am using Debian. I lack the needed header files. Which package do I need to install using apt-get in order to get the headers? |
| 11:04.12 | kn4rF | in changelog you see differences between previous and new versions not between different browsers |
| 11:04.14 | PythonNi1ja | kn4rF: get both sources and `diff` them? |
| 11:04.16 | ronr | marked: then I have no idea why it's not working |
| 11:04.34 | petemc | asch: foo-dev |
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| 11:04.42 | marked | ronr: yeah, its totally strange. I've never used quotas before, so I thought maybe I was just missing something. |
| 11:04.53 | sordith_ | kn4rF: the differences between firefox and iceweasel are about artwork, because of licensing issues |
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| 11:05.02 | petemc | asch: or, build-essential - depends whats you need |
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| 11:05.20 | marked | ronr: could a quotacheck be the answer? |
| 11:05.22 | ApOgEE- | hi all |
| 11:05.46 | ronr | marked: I never had to do one after increasing a quota, but it sure won't hurt |
| 11:05.49 | kn4rF | what's the difference between IceCat and IceWeasel? |
| 11:05.58 | asch | petemc: foo-dev is not found. And bascially I just have a program which needs headers like sys/types.h, stdio.h, unistd.h and all the basics like that. |
| 11:06.03 | susanne-- | install it and read the changelog ... |
| 11:06.44 | petemc | asch: try build-essential - foo means whatever you were talking about, you werent specific |
| 11:06.53 | ApOgEE- | i got problem with telnet server, i can't login to root... it says Login incorrect. any ideas? |
| 11:07.06 | susanne-- | ApOgEE-: logging in as anything using telnet is stupid. don't do it. |
| 11:07.10 | anarchos | wrong password? and who uses telnet these days :P |
| 11:07.11 | asch | petemc: I do not have an executable called build-essential. |
| 11:07.17 | petemc | asch: its a package name |
| 11:07.18 | susanne-- | ApOgEE-: root logins to telnet are usually disabled intentionally. |
| 11:07.20 | sordith_ | susanne--: can you try to be more friendly please? |
| 11:07.31 | susanne-- | sordith_: i can but i'm not going to. |
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| 11:07.32 | ApOgEE- | susanne--, how can i enable it? |
| 11:07.50 | sordith_ | susanne--: so you are here mainly to spread aggressions? |
| 11:08.01 | asch | petemc: I do not know how to call those files. System library header files, I guess. |
| 11:08.13 | petemc | asch: did you try installing build-essential yet? |
| 11:09.06 | ApOgEE- | susanne--, i got the same problem on second port of my serial console... where is the setting in debian? can anyone point me to the right /etc file? |
| 11:09.08 | susanne-- | ApOgEE-: it'll be somewhere in /etc/telnetd.conf. however, why you would want this is still a mystery. you'd be sending your root password (and everything else in the session) over the net unencrypted, available for anyone with a packet sniffer to read. use ssh. it's built in, on debian it allows root login by default, and your session is encrypted. |
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| 11:09.28 | asch | petemc: Oh. I just apt-get'ed it and something is happening now. |
| 11:09.40 | petemc | ApOgEE-: /etc/securetty - but as people say, its a really bad idea |
| 11:09.43 | asch | petemc: Okay, it worked. Thanks. |
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| 11:10.08 | susanne-- | sordith_: i'm here for my own benefit. the amusement i derive from discombobulating people like you is an added benefit. |
| 11:10.21 | ApOgEE- | susanne--, i'm configuring my TS-ARM board which i already install debian on the SD |
| 11:11.33 | ApOgEE- | susanne--, this board is headless so, the way to get in is using telnet, ssh and serial console |
| 11:11.55 | susanne-- | so use ssh. it is more secure and provides greater functionality. |
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| 11:12.07 | Segnale007 | hello |
| 11:12.11 | Segnale007 | I have a question |
| 11:12.24 | Segnale007 | I want to install debian on my ibook |
| 11:12.39 | Segnale007 | I just want kernel os base and Xorg |
| 11:12.46 | susanne-- | Segnale007: are you wanting to preserve os/x? |
| 11:12.51 | Segnale007 | how many cds I should downolading ? |
| 11:13.00 | Segnale007 | no I don't care osx .. |
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| 11:13.11 | Segnale007 | I just want only debian |
| 11:13.37 | Segnale007 | and I don't know which cds I have to download for get os and X |
| 11:13.45 | susanne-- | Segnale007: one. choose the netinst image. it will get the install started, and will download the rest of the system, so you have no wasted downloads and no burned CDs to screw with. |
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| 11:14.32 | Segnale007 | which is netinst ? |
| 11:14.45 | Segnale007 | sorry but I have no idea like work debian |
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| 11:15.10 | Segnale007 | let me know just the download link |
| 11:15.11 | Segnale007 | please |
| 11:15.18 | susanne-- | Segnale007: go to www.debian.org, and follow the links for installing. it will take you to the image downloads page, and from there, you choose the netinst image. |
| 11:15.25 | petemc | for ppc |
| 11:15.30 | Segnale007 | I have found this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/powerpc/bt-cd/ |
| 11:15.34 | Segnale007 | but 22 pc :S |
| 11:15.44 | Segnale007 | ah .. ty |
| 11:15.47 | Segnale007 | I will try |
| 11:16.10 | susanne-- | it's not an intel? |
| 11:16.10 | ApOgEE- | thanks petemc, susanne--, i've enable the serial console on the second serial port... |
| 11:16.10 | petemc | Segnale007: just cd1 would do |
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| 11:16.21 | petemc | Segnale007: you'll want to check the install guide too |
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| 11:16.42 | Segnale007 | <susanne--> : it is ppc |
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| 11:16.48 | Segnale007 | just ibook |
| 11:17.00 | Segnale007 | ty for all guys |
| 11:17.01 | susanne-- | Segnale007: there are guides on the net, found with google, for installing debian on various types of mac hardware. eg "install debian on ibook" and see what the first half dozen links or so give you. |
| 11:17.36 | Segnale007 | <susanne--> : I have used fbsd and gentoo synce 6 years old |
| 11:17.44 | sordith_ | susanne--: go read that in a silent moment: http://paste.debian.net/49928 |
| 11:17.45 | Segnale007 | I think I know how install it |
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| 11:17.52 | Segnale007 | I just didn't have idea |
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| 11:18.00 | petemc | Segnale007: but not how to find it, or which cd to use? |
| 11:18.01 | Segnale007 | which cd I needed |
| 11:18.19 | Segnale007 | I have found all now .. ty man :) |
| 11:18.26 | Segnale007 | and sorry for my english |
| 11:18.28 | Segnale007 | :S |
| 11:18.30 | ignu | how do I 'Add autoconnect.py, tray.py to startup entries'? ... noob trying to follow instructions |
| 11:18.41 | susanne-- | Segnale007: start here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 11:18.55 | petemc | ignu: you could put the full paths to those script in /etc/rc.local |
| 11:18.58 | susanne-- | choose the ppc one. |
| 11:19.00 | msshams | i use php4 and apache without any problem. now, i install php5 and libapache-mod-php5. modules.conf modified and my php files doesn't run. please help me |
| 11:19.11 | ignu | thx, petemc |
| 11:19.52 | petemc | ignu: does tray.py require x? |
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| 11:20.16 | Segnale007 | <susanne--> : ty a lot :) |
| 11:20.56 | Enf0rc3r | this refresh rate is killing my eyes |
| 11:21.02 | Enf0rc3r | how do I get a better one? |
| 11:21.09 | Enf0rc3r | its flickery |
| 11:21.17 | susanne-- | Enf0rc3r: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:21.18 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 11:21.33 | ignu | petemc: I don't know ... but, I'm running x (I'm pretty sure ... xorg ... ) |
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| 11:22.27 | kn4rF | an debian developer here? |
| 11:22.58 | ignu | petemc: when I open the file /etc/rc.local the only line that's not a comment (#) is exit 0 |
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| 11:25.38 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - ive just installed a debian etch amd64 HVM domu on a centos5 amd64 dom0, but the domU boot hangs at "kernel direct mapping tables up to 400000000 @ 8000-a000" - any ideas? |
| 11:26.21 | err404_ | yes, you can try with any live-CD to test... |
| 11:27.24 | Enf0rc3r | how do I get alsa sound to work not oss |
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| 11:28.00 | ignu | I'm a bit of a noob flying by the seat of my pants here ... If I add a line 'autoconnect.py' and another line ' tray.py' and make sure 'exit 0' is the last line, I should be okay? |
| 11:28.05 | susanne-- | !tell Enf0rc3r about alsa |
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| 11:28.41 | marked | ronr: could there be some other limitations that got set somehow, other than user/group? |
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| 11:30.38 | ronr | marked: not that I can think of right now |
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| 11:32.03 | Alarm | hello, i just reinstalled my nvidia drivers, but somethings going on with my xorg.conf file. although i log normaly into kde , even though i change the resolution , on the next login the fonts and resolution is being changed. i checked the kdm log , and see this error : http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=7672 |
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| 11:33.29 | asch | Bye. |
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| 11:34.05 | prahal | Alarm, nothing to do with the resolution of fonts dpi . Though you could report the bug to xkb-data |
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| 11:34.37 | Alarm | whats that font error about ? |
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| 11:36.32 | prahal | hum hard to tell as I am not an expert at xkb-data but I guess it means some of your "multimedia" keys (well those that are not standard) will not work (brightness and light) |
| 11:38.14 | prahal | Alarm, I am taking a look at kcontrol (not used to kde) . Do you have any custom setting in 'Appearance and themes'>Fonts 'force dpi for fonts' (or what it is called in your locale) |
| 11:38.32 | tsrepadmin | how can i check with wich configure commands a package installed wit apt-get install is configured? |
| 11:38.39 | Alarm | let me check something |
| 11:40.21 | prahal | Alarm, and in 'Peripherals'>'Display' for the resolution |
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| 11:40.46 | susanne-- | tsrepadmin: to do what? eg, compiler configurations? you can't. apt-get installs precompiled packages. |
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| 11:41.19 | tsrepadmin | well i'd like to know, which plugin-dir my PAM-mysql module has |
| 11:41.30 | msshams | when i install mysql5, it will replace with mysql4 automatically? |
| 11:41.49 | susanne-- | msshams: usually yes. for god's sake, back up your databases first. |
| 11:42.26 | tsrepadmin | susanne: well i'd like to know, which plugin-dir my PAM-mysql module has. I need to know where to put the smtpd.conf |
| 11:42.41 | susanne-- | tsrepadmin: i'd start by reading the docs in /usr/share/doc/packagename. |
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| 11:43.10 | prahal | tsrepadmin, some programs tell you when calling them with --version . And the buildd daemons have logs of the configure (though I am still looking after them ... I know that ftbs bug reports contains them ... |
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| 11:43.46 | susanne-- | tsrepadmin: there's usually one or more debian-specific docs that tell you what specific configuration gotchas are unique to the debian build. i haven't the foggiest what you're actually trying to accomplish and i don't know what packages you're using to try it with,so that's just kinda generic. |
| 11:43.50 | PythonNinja | how best to find out which package contains a given shared object file? i think i should have it.. but don't for some reason |
| 11:44.02 | susanne-- | PythonNinja: apt-file search <filename> |
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| 11:44.55 | PythonNinja | ty susanne-- |
| 11:45.06 | tsrepadmin | susanne: i try to setup cyrus-sasl with virtual users from mysql database |
| 11:45.20 | susanne-- | tsrepadmin: good luck. :-) |
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| 11:45.40 | tsrepadmin | susanne: thnx :-D. so no idea? |
| 11:45.59 | PythonNinja | hmmmm.. ok apparently there ARE no packages that contain this shared object file.. so how the hell did u sed to have it?! |
| 11:46.07 | up_the_irons | is there a way to see the exact font a gnome program uses? Not just the font and size, but the entire xft font string |
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| 11:46.18 | prahal | tsrepadmin, http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=i386 |
| 11:46.23 | susanne-- | haven't the foggiest. i'm trying to migrate a terabyte of data off various ext3-formatted usb drives because of an apparent show-stopper bug in the kernel that's in both 2.6.22 and 2.6.24. |
| 11:46.26 | susanne-- | PythonNinja: what file? |
| 11:46.38 | PythonNinja | libkrb5support.so.0 |
| 11:47.08 | PythonNinja | hmmm this machine has it, but apt-file turns up nothing |
| 11:47.18 | susanne-- | PythonNinja: apt-get install libkrb53? |
| 11:47.29 | PythonNinja | 53? i've got libkrb5-dev |
| 11:47.31 | Enf0rc3r | is alsa better then oss? |
| 11:47.44 | susanne-- | 53 is the runtime libs. |
| 11:47.49 | PythonNinja | i have that package |
| 11:47.57 | PythonNinja | already installed |
| 11:48.18 | PythonNinja | also, i have libkrb5support.so |
| 11:48.27 | susanne-- | PythonNinja: dunno what to tell you then. that was just what occured to me from the results of apt-cache search libkrb5 |
| 11:48.34 | PythonNinja | what is the significance of the .0 on the end? i'm still quite new to develeoping in C, and thanks susanne-- |
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| 11:49.28 | susanne-- | PythonNinja: i'm not a developer. my half-educated guess is that it refers to a version number of some sort, such as an api version number (distinct from a software version number). |
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| 11:50.08 | PythonNinja | hmmmm.. could be.. googling some more i think |
| 11:50.31 | susanne-- | ext3 on windows sucks! |
| 11:51.46 | prahal | PythonNinja, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fusr%2Flib%2Flibkrb5support.so.0&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 11:51.48 | PythonNinja | susanne--: now i remember! i'm an idiot |
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| 11:52.13 | PythonNinja | just worked it out... during my stupid moment before i installed a new kernel.. so my libs and such are not working till i restart :) |
| 11:53.03 | susanne-- | i've never seen that but as i said, i'm no dev, so go for it. |
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| 11:54.20 | prahal | PythonNinja, nope only modules may fails to load |
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| 11:55.33 | prahal | and only if you upgraded with the same kernel version (thus it has overwritten your existing running kernel and modules ... the one in memory does not match the one on file anymore) |
| 11:57.33 | PythonNinja | well, i just rebooted.. and now all seems well... so i don't know, but frankly, it's now working. so i'm not arguing either. thanks guys |
| 11:58.13 | prahal | :) |
| 11:58.39 | susanne-- | yeah you can diagnose forever but "it works ok now" is usually a nominal outcome. |
| 11:58.41 | prahal | guess it s the libc6 that was upgraded this one is critical |
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| 12:00.23 | Pete_B | I changed mysql's password in Etch (by running 'mysqld --skip-grant-tables' and rewriting mysql.user) and now mysql won't run unless my.cnf's has user=root not user=mysql. syslog says mysql can't write to log file. What can it be? |
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| 12:02.09 | prahal | Pete_B, did you restore the debian-sys-maint |
| 12:02.17 | victor____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.29 | Zic | I've got a problem when I'm using apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade to etch=>sid : E: tzdata cannot be configured, since 1 weeks … |
| 12:02.41 | Pete_B | prahal: no. I;ve only just seen debian.cnf for the first time. what do I have to do? |
| 12:02.43 | victor____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.44 | Zic | I tried apt-get -f, same thing |
| 12:02.49 | susanne-- | Zic: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 12:03.06 | Zic | susanne--: iirc, I've tried it, it don't works |
| 12:03.06 | berzerka | victor____: maybe you have that box "restore session on log-on" checked when logging out? |
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| 12:03.21 | prahal | victor____, gnome-session-properties |
| 12:03.35 | susanne-- | zic: try it again and please report the complete error. if it's more than a couple lines, please ask dpkg about pastebin and do what he says. |
| 12:04.06 | victor____ | berzerka, no, I've not done that. |
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| 12:06.12 | Zic | susanne--: I will try, thanks, but for the moment, I don't have my hands on a Debian system ; the dpkg-reconfigure, I must be run it back or next the aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 12:06.35 | susanne-- | Zic: i don't understand your question. you can run dpkg-reconfigure at any time. |
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| 12:07.33 | victor____ | prahal, i've opened the dialog, what next? |
| 12:08.09 | victor____ | prahal, there's only one session named default. |
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| 12:10.29 | arisv | sb to give me the 5.1 surround sound test command, in order to check sub, front, right, left etc. |
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| 12:11.31 | prahal | victor____, using etch ? I guess you have to click on the program document viewer and gnome-terminal and change their style to normal then exit and use gnome-session save (they shoudl be at "restart" by now) |
| 12:11.52 | Cromag | arisv: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound see if this works for you. |
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| 12:12.28 | gonzaloaf | hi I'm trying to install an upgrade of ruby but I receive this error: http://pastebin.ca/918845 any clue? |
| 12:12.32 | prahal | Pete_B, you have to recreate this account with all rights set to yes and password from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf set as password('<debian.cnf_password') |
| 12:12.34 | arisv | Cromag: cheers lad |
| 12:12.40 | Cromag | cheers |
| 12:13.31 | susanne-- | gonzaloaf: are you root? apt-get update? |
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| 12:13.54 | tralala | arisv, speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 |
| 12:13.55 | gonzaloaf | susanne--, yes, yes |
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| 12:15.47 | XoX | what does Unix Logical printing protocols mean |
| 12:16.08 | prahal | gonzaloaf, are you out of disk space ? mungled with /var/cache ? you could try moving /var/lib/dpkg/status to somewhere else and copy /var/lib/dpkg/status-old to /var/lib/dpkg/status afterwards |
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| 12:17.17 | prahal | XoX, LPP was the standard for unix printing before cups |
| 12:17.17 | cjg_ | how much kb is 128mb? |
| 12:17.21 | prahal | ipp |
| 12:17.58 | cjg_ | ?????? |
| 12:18.00 | tralala | cjg_, 128*1024 |
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| 12:18.30 | XoX | prahal, you mean LPR? |
| 12:18.50 | XoX | prahal, "Supports LPR, IPP, SMB/TCP, Raw Printing and Unix Logical printing protocols." |
| 12:19.06 | susanne-- | rsync -trv always completely restarts a transfer. how do i make rsync resume, rather than restart? file permissions and timestamps aren't important. |
| 12:19.23 | gonzaloaf | prahal, same problem, does this pkg really exists ?: E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package ruby1.8. |
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| 12:21.12 | tralala | susanne--, it shouldn't restart, the equal files should be skipped |
| 12:21.16 | prahal | gonzaloaf, gasp could be that status-old was corrupted too (though unlickely) you could try to remove it completely and apt-get upgrade (this is hardcore ... will mean that the package db will be missing . Do not know how dpkg will react |
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| 12:21.43 | arisv | Cromag: yep, that was what I was looking for, but I can listen only front right/left, any ideas y? |
| 12:22.18 | tralala | arisv, man speaker-test |
| 12:22.47 | Pete_B | prahal: I changed root's password; pkilled the mysqld with --skip-grant-tables; grant all privileges for debian-sys-maint; changed my.cnf to user=mysql and have same problem of it not starting |
| 12:23.05 | gonzaloaf | prahal, how do I re-generate the status file? |
| 12:23.26 | arisv | tralala: yeah ok, already did that. |
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| 12:23.53 | tralala | arisv, did you try different switches? |
| 12:24.07 | arisv | tralala: switches? |
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| 12:24.34 | arisv | tralala: yep |
| 12:24.44 | tralala | arisv, command line options, parameters... etc |
| 12:25.00 | tralala | arisv, and you only get two speakers? |
| 12:25.16 | arisv | yep |
| 12:25.47 | tralala | arisv, are the other channels unmuted? How many output jacks do you have? |
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| 12:25.59 | arisv | three output jacks |
| 12:26.00 | prahal | gonzaloaf, you cannot it is the database of packages installed/deinstalled . You could back it up from time to time. (though it is not critical in that it should "regenerate" itself in that while installing packages after having removed it it should fill it progressively back |
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| 12:26.33 | prahal | but I guess your system will ask you to reinstall packages that are already installed that s all the negative that should arise |
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| 12:28.22 | gonzaloaf | Hi, I'm trying to install upgrades of some packages and I'm still receving this error: E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package gthumb. E: Unable to lock the download directory, how can I solve that? |
| 12:28.23 | prahal | Pete_B, what are the errors ? |
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| 12:30.34 | Pete_B | prahal: File '/var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.000025' not found. I additionally tried resetting the debian-sys-maint password in the db to what is in debian.cnf but it didnl't help |
| 12:30.51 | prahal | gonzaloaf, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/debian-package-database-rebuild |
| 12:31.14 | tralala | gonzaloaf, paste the whole command and its output on a webpaste |
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| 12:31.39 | prahal | hardcore land :-/ |
| 12:31.46 | Joc | hello |
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| 12:35.05 | gonzaloaf | tralala, http://pastebin.ca/918866 |
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| 12:36.08 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i was wondering if there is a way to run via ssh programs into a machine i have access to, and then moving them to the machine desktop, and when i loging again, take them controlled again via ssh...i couldn't find a way |
| 12:36.16 | tralala | gonzaloaf, and what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 12:36.24 | itguru | What's the best way to get two openvpn servers to talk to each other, AND still accept connections from outside clients? |
| 12:37.23 | tralala | itguru, is this even possible? |
| 12:38.07 | gonzaloaf | tralala, lenny/sid |
| 12:38.13 | gonzaloaf | tralala, I use lenny |
| 12:38.33 | susanne-- | why wouldn't it be? it is possible to configure openvpn to accept connections from multiple clients. you can start by going through the dd-wrt site, which has a tutorial on setting up openvpn on dd-wrt and doing just this kind of thing, and their forums might guide as well. |
| 12:38.34 | itguru | tralala, I'm not 100% sure, hence why I'm trying to find out |
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| 12:39.06 | gonzaloaf | assasukasse, you mean run X apps in the remote host? |
| 12:39.16 | assasukasse | gonzaloaf: yes |
| 12:39.21 | liable | assasukasse: not sure exactly what you mean by moving them to the desktop, but screen can let you leave instaces running after you log out, and then reattach afterwards |
| 12:39.22 | gonzaloaf | assasukasse, ssh -X |
| 12:39.40 | tralala | itguru, I don't think you can do that. One of the servers would have to also run a client to connect to the other server and with the appropriate routes the two networks could be connected |
| 12:39.58 | assasukasse | gonzaloaf: actually what i wanna do is this: run the program via ssh -X, leave them running and showing on the remote desktop when i am not logged, reattach when i log on back |
| 12:40.03 | assasukasse | exactly liable |
| 12:40.27 | assasukasse | liable: but screen doesn't let me leave them showing in the remote desktop |
| 12:40.46 | tralala | assasukasse, X doesn't support this yet. You should use vnc |
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| 12:40.58 | prahal | Pete_B, what does /etc/init.d/mysql restart output ? |
| 12:41.02 | gonzaloaf | yes vnc is the option |
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| 12:41.13 | gonzaloaf | tralala, what bout my problem? |
| 12:41.15 | assasukasse | tralala: URG no i don't want :( i use ati driver and vnc crashes alot |
| 12:41.15 | tralala | gonzaloaf, apt-cache policy gthumb |
| 12:41.37 | assasukasse | tralala: gonzaloaf vnc loves to crash and log me out.. |
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| 12:41.56 | tralala | assasukasse, I don't think vnc has anything to do with the X driver |
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| 12:42.01 | itguru | tralala, I think that's what I'm going to have to do :( |
| 12:42.03 | Pete_B | prahal: . . . . . failed. |
| 12:42.10 | gonzaloaf | tralala, http://pastebin.ca/918874 |
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| 12:42.32 | gonzaloaf | assasukasse, vino server works good for me |
| 12:42.39 | assasukasse | tralala: i start vnc as a xorg module, when i log in and vnc is running system crashes and sends me back to login window |
| 12:42.46 | assasukasse | gonzaloaf: vino works great here as well |
| 12:42.54 | assasukasse | but i can't login in case something goes wrong |
| 12:43.01 | assasukasse | since vino is started only once gnome is up |
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| 12:43.58 | Enf0rc3r | how do I get my tv display to work correctly, it just flickers at the moment, im using a ATI Radion 9250 |
| 12:44.16 | prahal | Pete_B, you do not have any error about debian-sys-maint not being allowed ? |
| 12:44.26 | Pete_B | prahal: no |
| 12:44.29 | tralala | assasukasse, so don't start is like that. Use x11vnc |
| 12:44.48 | prahal | so I guess the account it ok ... ls -l /var/log/mysql shows all them owned by mysql.adm ? |
| 12:45.00 | Pete_B | prahal: I'm gonna justdo an 'aptitude purge mysql-server mysql-server-5.0' because I've spent 2 hours on this. I used to be able to do it fine with sarge. thanks for the help |
| 12:45.10 | assasukasse | tralala: i will give a look about that :D i was wondering if it is possible to log in gnome using ssh then vino will be running .. |
| 12:45.14 | prahal | ok |
| 12:45.43 | tralala | assasukasse, it's possible to configure auto login |
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| 12:46.05 | assasukasse | tralala: yup i know,. but is a security issue i think...i dunno if i want that.. |
| 12:46.18 | tralala | gonzaloaf, try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gthumb*deb |
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| 12:46.36 | Enf0rc3r | anyone? |
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| 12:47.09 | tralala | assasukasse, you'd have to find a workaround because X cannot migrate apps between different displays yet |
| 12:47.16 | Enf0rc3r | also how do I get gl working? |
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| 12:47.30 | assasukasse | tralala: i am afraid i will have to turn on autologin... |
| 12:47.33 | Zic | (re) susanne-- I've got the full error in english : E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata |
| 12:47.52 | Zic | it's after aptitude full-upgrade downloads all the package of sid |
| 12:48.00 | Zic | idea ? |
| 12:48.11 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, you need a 60hz refresh rate for the TV |
| 12:48.14 | gonzaloaf | tralala, it worked |
| 12:48.29 | Enf0rc3r | how do I do that? |
| 12:48.34 | Enf0rc3r | is there some app to do it? |
| 12:48.39 | Enf0rc3r | tralala, |
| 12:48.45 | tralala | gonzaloaf, can you try to install something else using apt? |
| 12:48.49 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, xrandr |
| 12:49.17 | gonzaloaf | tralala, I have problems with ruby1.8 too |
| 12:49.29 | tralala | gonzaloaf, the same message? |
| 12:49.40 | gonzaloaf | tralala, yes |
| 12:49.42 | Enf0rc3r | that only shows for the monitor |
| 12:49.43 | Enf0rc3r | not the tv |
| 12:49.51 | Enf0rc3r | maybe I need to install drivers? |
| 12:50.17 | tralala | gonzaloaf, any errors on apt-get update? |
| 12:51.07 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a webpaste |
| 12:51.20 | prahal | will not work the dpkg status database is corrupted |
| 12:51.25 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, and also the output of xrandr |
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| 12:53.02 | gonzaloaf | tralala, nop |
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| 12:53.25 | tralala | gonzaloaf, /msg dpkg status-recovery |
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| 12:53.54 | Enf0rc3r | tralala, http://pastebin.com/m437166ae |
| 12:54.27 | gonzaloaf | tralala, ok thanks |
| 12:54.47 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, the logs too |
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| 12:54.50 | ArthurArchnix | hola, I'm looking for info on what packages are currently in testing, versions, etc. Kernel version. Clicking through all the testing links on debian.org isn't getting me anywhere... |
| 12:54.54 | Enf0rc3r | the whole log? |
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| 12:55.01 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, yes |
| 12:55.44 | prahal | ArthurArchnix, packages.debian.org ? |
| 12:55.52 | Enf0rc3r | how do I select all with nano? |
| 12:56.34 | tralala | ArthurArchnix, http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
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| 12:56.35 | susanne-- | yay! |
| 12:56.35 | Enf0rc3r | tralala, |
| 12:56.35 | Enf0rc3r | how do I select all with nano? |
| 12:56.35 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
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| 12:56.35 | ArthurArchnix | tralala: prahal thanks... |
| 12:56.44 | itguru | tralala, with regards to the two openvpn servers, will I have to install a seperate instance, to get one of the servers to act as a client as well? |
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| 12:57.52 | tralala | itguru, you need a client config file and a second openvpn process. The default init script probably won't be able to handle it so you might need a custom launcher |
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| 12:58.54 | itguru | tralala, Thanks, thats what I thought, I just wanted it confirmed |
| 12:58.57 | itguru | thanks so much |
| 12:59.02 | tralala | itguru, you're welcome |
| 12:59.17 | ArthurArchnix | Hmm... can't find any kernel info there. What kernel is in Lenny at the moment? |
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| 12:59.28 | Pete_B | Sorry, I got logged out... I deleted /etc/mysql, purged mysql-server-5.0, then reinstalled and dpkg postinst complains about missing /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf. Haven't I removed all mention of that preious installation and so it bring new files in? |
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| 12:59.49 | tralala | ArthurArchnix, zgrep '^Package: linux-image' Packages.bz2 |
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| 13:01.40 | tralala | *bzgrep |
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| 13:02.17 | ArthurArchnix | it was still downloading, so no harm. :) |
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| 13:02.46 | tralala | there would be no harm in any case but no results either |
| 13:05.14 | ArthurArchnix | worked a treat. Thanks. I'm so torn between stable and secure and cutting edge when it comes to the kernel. I'm on a laptop so all the power saving stuff that's coming out now it's a real pull. 2.6.22-3 ... well, that's my answer. |
| 13:05.38 | tralala | ArthurArchnix, use backports |
| 13:06.02 | liable_ | you can generally run unstable kernels on stable |
| 13:06.21 | liable_ | udev hasnt decided to be a fuckwit itr lately ;) |
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| 13:07.55 | heroxbd | how to build debian.exe on http://goodbye-microsoft.com ? |
| 13:07.56 | yixuan | Hello everyone, does anyone know how to see .so files version? |
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| 13:08.21 | heroxbd | I svn checkout the source, but it is "win32-loader" |
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| 13:10.23 | heroxbd | While win32-loader is not stand-alone, referring http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464233 |
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| 13:11.14 | heroxbd | So I am wondering howto build debian.exe myself... Please give me some suggestions. |
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| 13:13.41 | liable | heroxbd: why are you building it? |
| 13:14.22 | Enf0rc3r | tralala, http://pastebin.com/m4fad7490 |
| 13:14.49 | heroxbd | I want to customize it. Pointing it to the debian mirror in our univ |
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| 13:15.30 | liable | heroxbd: i guess you need to ask the people that make it |
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| 13:16.05 | rdz | hi all. iirc, there was a command for displaying true type fonts, but i cannot recall its name. does someone know what i mean? |
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| 13:16.24 | liable | heroxbd: that would be a good start i guess |
| 13:16.41 | Enf0rc3r | I want to setup a mail server, what one should I use? |
| 13:16.49 | Enf0rc3r | sendmail? |
| 13:16.53 | petemc | exim or postfix |
| 13:17.05 | liable | Enf0rc3r: debian comes with exim by default. |
| 13:17.13 | Enf0rc3r | and I wantto use squiral mail with it too |
| 13:17.15 | liable | !sendmail |
| 13:17.16 | dpkg | sendmail is probably a huge bloated insecure <Mail Transfer Agent>. Also me ask about <sendmail rant> and <mta comparison>. |
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| 13:17.37 | ronr | !mta comparison |
| 13:17.37 | dpkg | it has been said that mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
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| 13:18.14 | heroxbd | liable: It would be good if the author or some d-i win32 guys are on this lists |
| 13:18.16 | Enf0rc3r | ok so how do I setup exim |
| 13:18.18 | pumpkin0 | passwd implements a test for strong passwords. Is there any doc about the algorithm it uses ? |
| 13:18.31 | liable | heroxbd: ya, i have no idea who makes it |
| 13:18.33 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, install it and answer the questions you're asked |
| 13:18.41 | petemc | Enf0rc3r: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config for basic stuff, if you need more than that, prepare to read, a lot |
| 13:18.43 | liable | and take the blue pill |
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| 13:19.33 | liable | Enf0rc3r: theres a pretty good debian postfix doc out there. emsil is surprisingly difficult to set up though |
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| 13:19.44 | liable | email. |
| 13:20.01 | tralala | exim is quite straight-forward |
| 13:20.01 | heroxbd | liable: Robert Millan <rmh@debian.org> Do you know if he is on the channel? |
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| 13:20.13 | liable | heroxbd: nope |
| 13:20.50 | heroxbd | liable: I'll drop him a line then, thanks. |
| 13:20.58 | liable | np |
| 13:21.13 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 13:23.55 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, how is your tv connected to the card? |
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| 13:26.24 | Enf0rc3r | av cable |
| 13:26.39 | Ejdes|Lap | !postfix guide |
| 13:27.41 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, so the video card has a real tvout? |
| 13:27.49 | Enf0rc3r | yes |
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| 13:27.59 | Enf0rc3r | it's a ATI Radion 9250 AGP |
| 13:28.16 | Enf0rc3r | DVI, AV and VGA out |
| 13:28.55 | dutchfish | liable, unstable http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2008/02/msg00688.html |
| 13:29.11 | dutchfish | liable, too bad he is gone |
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| 13:29.43 | xiaochao | .. |
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| 13:32.00 | Pete_B | how do I wipe out mysql so thoroughly that installing again doesn't give this: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory |
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| 13:32.33 | Hoxzer | dpkg --purge |
| 13:32.39 | Hoxzer | warning REMOVES ALL configs |
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| 13:32.50 | Pete_B | Hoxzer: is that equal to aptitude purge? cos I tried that |
| 13:32.58 | Hoxzer | Yes, I think it is |
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| 13:33.47 | Pete_B | Hoxzer: that doesn't remove configs you've changed. so you remove tham manually. then the installer complains about them nbeing missing. |
| 13:33.55 | dutchfish | Pete_B, apt-get remove --purge foo, but in this case it will warn about some dirs not being removed because not empty, you should those remove manually |
| 13:34.15 | liable | !confmiss |
| 13:34.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 13:34.40 | Pete_B | liable: thanks for that |
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| 13:34.48 | Pete_B | dutchfish: thanksw |
| 13:34.48 | liable | np |
| 13:34.58 | susanne-- | how can i force a usb drive to live in 1.1 mode rather than 2.0? |
| 13:35.43 | Pete_B | susanne--: it's something like: echo usb_uhci > /proc/bus/usb |
| 13:36.06 | Pete_B | susanne--: uhci, ehci, I forget which |
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| 13:36.14 | susanne-- | i don't want to slow all the drive down, tho, just two (i have 8) |
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| 13:37.48 | yixuan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.07 | azeem | yixuan: what is ".so files version"? |
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| 13:38.34 | yixuan | I mean shared library files |
| 13:38.44 | yixuan | like libstdc++.so |
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| 13:39.36 | azeem | yixuan: ok, but what is ".so files version" |
| 13:39.46 | azeem | it's unclear which kind of version you're talking about |
| 13:39.54 | liable | yixuan: dpkg -S foo.so |
| 13:40.10 | yixuan | sorry, liable, i am using other linux |
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| 13:40.34 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, do you get a picture if you reduce the resolution to 640x480 |
| 13:40.37 | susanne-- | yixuan: then we can't help you cuz we don't know your system. we support debian here. |
| 13:41.08 | azeem | unless yixuan wants to figure out whatever version of the .so of a mounted Debian install |
| 13:41.18 | yixuan | susanne--, i use redhat or suse |
| 13:41.30 | susanne-- | yixuan then you might consider consulting those support channels. |
| 13:41.31 | azeem | yixuan: so what is your Debian questino? |
| 13:41.46 | liable | yixuan: why are you asking in here then? |
| 13:41.57 | liable | azeem: been to spain lately? ;) |
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| 13:42.15 | yixuan | :-) sorry, I think all linux has common command... :D |
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| 13:42.29 | Enf0rc3r | the resolution for my monitor? |
| 13:42.32 | susanne-- | yixuan: you are wrong. |
| 13:42.35 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, yes |
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| 13:43.21 | Enf0rc3r | ok brb |
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| 13:45.34 | Pete_B | dpkg / aptitude / dpkg with --force-confmiss still complain about missing /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf when I install mysql-server again |
| 13:46.02 | Airbottl1 | ok, i tried again, but i got the same error as before dutch, even after waiting for 40 minutes, i still hangs |
| 13:46.20 | liable | Pete_B: does the conf.d directory exist? |
| 13:46.30 | Pete_B | liable: no |
| 13:46.30 | nebM0ft | How do i escape [ or ] in sed? |
| 13:46.40 | liable | Pete_B: make it and try again |
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| 13:47.02 | Pete_B | liable: ok (but why? a fresh install wouldn't have it either) |
| 13:47.25 | liable | Pete_B: it would have the dir i assume |
| 13:47.56 | nebM0ft | ? |
| 13:48.07 | Pete_B | liable: ahh, I see, that's been confusing me |
| 13:48.14 | liable | nebM0ft: with a \ i presume |
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| 13:48.23 | tralala | nebM0ft, ask #bash |
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| 13:48.32 | liable | #sed! |
| 13:48.40 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, running etch? and what error? if there is one. Check logs |
| 13:48.42 | Enf0rc3r | that didn't work |
| 13:48.47 | Enf0rc3r | didnt fix the problem |
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| 13:48.57 | Enf0rc3r | its still flickering |
| 13:49.00 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, you could've used xrandr to change the resolution |
| 13:49.00 | nebM0ft | liable: doesn't seem to work |
| 13:49.04 | Enf0rc3r | but I can see the image begind it |
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| 13:49.27 | nebM0ft | liable: $ sed s/\[//g ->sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command |
| 13:49.35 | Enf0rc3r | it works fine in console mode |
| 13:49.36 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, are you on etch? |
| 13:49.41 | nebM0ft | ahh |
| 13:49.45 | Enf0rc3r | Linux xtc 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:50.08 | Enf0rc3r | ? |
| 13:50.16 | liable | yes |
| 13:50.25 | liable | well, etch kernel anyway |
| 13:50.25 | Airbottl1 | installing debian lenny hangs at: "configuring ssl-cert", in the terminal i can see: "groupadd[26424]: new group: name=ssl-cert, GID=103" |
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| 13:50.52 | Airbottl1 | but hardware cannot be the problem since i'm running etch here on the same hardware, installation without problems |
| 13:51.02 | wackimonki | I am trying to find out where a dev package is installed. does anyone know how to query a package with apt? |
| 13:51.30 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, is your system updated? |
| 13:51.34 | liable | wackimonki: what do you mean? |
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| 13:52.19 | Airbottl1 | no, i tried a clean install on a new hard disk, since my other hard disks are full, so far with no succes |
| 13:52.26 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, oh wait is this amd64? |
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| 13:52.35 | Airbottl1 | nope |
| 13:52.37 | Airbottl1 | i386 |
| 13:52.44 | selim | can someone help me to debug my established pptp connection |
| 13:52.46 | Enf0rc3r | how do I install proper ATI Radion 9250 driver? |
| 13:52.46 | wackimonki | liable: liable: i've found it. apt-file does what i need |
| 13:52.52 | selim | these are my logs and routing entries: http://rafb.net/p/pAG2ff75.html, http://rafb.net/p/79m8q619.html, http://rafb.net/p/39JJbh41.html |
| 13:52.53 | Airbottl1 | debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 13:52.56 | selim | a ping to 192.168.10.73 is not possible as is a ping to 192.168.10.x/24 |
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| 13:53.40 | Airbottl1 | i didn not really found a descent solution on the web |
| 13:53.54 | Airbottl1 | they suggest installing etch and changing the sources.list to testing |
| 13:53.59 | Airbottl1 | but thats a bit odd |
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| 13:56.50 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, looks like the installer script is messing up, i have no clue, yet |
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| 13:57.22 | Airbottl1 | do i need to report this somewhere? |
| 13:57.33 | Airbottl1 | can be helpful for the developers maybe |
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| 13:57.53 | Airbottl1 | certainly there will be more people with that problem |
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| 13:58.42 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, thinking of it, i saw this issue before, can not remember, there was a prerequisit needed i forgot |
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| 14:01.41 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, almost at the end of the page: http://www.jordomedia.com/RSS/l_op=viewrss/lid=30859.html |
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| 14:04.41 | Enf0rc3r | hey I just put in a pci wifi card, I want to share my eth0 connection to it |
| 14:04.53 | Enf0rc3r | and make it boadcast dhcp |
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| 14:05.10 | Enf0rc3r | so I can use the net on my laptop via wifi |
| 14:05.18 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, it seems that you'll need fglrx for the tv out |
| 14:05.39 | petemc | Enf0rc3r: you can set up an ad hoc connection and do that |
| 14:05.52 | Enf0rc3r | how do I do that? |
| 14:06.14 | Airbottl1 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4395804 i found this |
| 14:06.41 | Airbottl1 | and this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465279 |
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| 14:06.48 | helo | is it possible for clients to print to a samba-shared printer without having the particular printer driver the server is printing with? |
| 14:06.57 | petemc | yes |
| 14:07.06 | helo | how do i need to configure the clients to print? |
| 14:07.19 | petemc | windows clients? |
| 14:07.25 | helo | firefox linux clients |
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| 14:07.53 | petemc | i use a hp laserjet driver for pretty much all my laserjets, works fine |
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| 14:08.06 | Enf0rc3r | E: Couldn't find package fglrx |
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| 14:08.27 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 14:08.37 | helo | the problem is that i don't have access to the clients, so i have to have someone else set them up to be able to print to my server, which i do have control over |
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| 14:08.48 | helo | right now i don't even know what kind of printer the server will be using though |
| 14:09.01 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, right, The problem was resolved by forcing the installation of the testing package instead (1.0.14 instead of 1.0.15). |
| 14:09.03 | Enf0rc3r | how do I setup ad hock? |
| 14:09.10 | Enf0rc3r | ad hoc |
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| 14:09.26 | tralala | helo, you could probably setup a generic ps printer on samba |
| 14:09.36 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, /msg dpkg wireless |
| 14:11.21 | Airbottl1 | hmz, seems like the best method is installing etch and than upgrading |
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| 14:11.48 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, or that, i dont like that either, but it is afetr all "testing" |
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| 14:12.56 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, the installer is a walking talking atm |
| 14:13.53 | _moep_ | hi i upgraded from etch to lenny and if i wanna mount my nfs shares i only get "host is down". i tried ASYNCMOUNTNFS=no in /etc/default/rcS @ the client, too. what can i do, to fix it? |
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| 14:14.19 | Enf0rc3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.20 | Airbottl1 | ok, i'll see what i do, thanks anyway dutchfish! |
| 14:14.30 | dutchfish | Airbottl1, np |
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| 14:19.36 | helo | wth... dpkg is still dead? |
| 14:19.51 | helo | oh... nm |
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| 14:20.18 | flokuehn | helo: no he isnt. |
| 14:20.18 | Enf0rc3r | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 14:20.54 | Enf0rc3r | :s |
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| 14:21.47 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, stop X, modprobe -r radeon; modprobe fglrx (all as root) |
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| 14:22.08 | Enf0rc3r | then what? |
| 14:22.22 | raz0 | I've set up dhcp3-server and bind9 for dynamic DNS registration. It works except when people with hostnames with native characters in them try to register. Is there anyway to get dynamic DNS working with IDN(A) conversion or something? |
| 14:22.24 | Enf0rc3r | is that all one command? |
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| 14:23.14 | tralala | Enf0rc3r, separate commands. Then start X again |
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| 14:23.47 | tralala | (assuming you've modified your xorg.conf) |
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| 14:25.35 | enforcer_ | ok I done that |
| 14:25.41 | enforcer_ | started x again |
| 14:25.49 | enforcer_ | it unloaded a module then loaded one |
| 14:26.13 | helo | dpkg: tell me about printconf |
| 14:26.48 | enforcer_ | now what? |
| 14:26.48 | tralala | enforcer_, and? |
| 14:26.58 | enforcer_ | the tv is still flickery |
| 14:27.05 | enforcer_ | how do I check wht driver im using? |
| 14:27.45 | tralala | enforcer_, did you change xorg.conf to fglrx? |
| 14:27.54 | enforcer_ | no |
| 14:28.08 | enforcer_ | do I have to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 14:28.13 | tralala | yes |
| 14:28.16 | enforcer_ | ok |
| 14:28.17 | enforcer_ | brb |
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| 14:31.00 | enforcer_ | well that worked |
| 14:31.03 | enforcer_ | but now the display is on the tv |
| 14:31.08 | enforcer_ | and the monitor is all weird |
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| 14:32.25 | tralala | enforcer_, all weird? |
| 14:32.38 | tralala | enforcer_, paste your logs and xrandr again |
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| 14:32.49 | enforcer_ | grr |
| 14:32.55 | enforcer_ | I can't now |
| 14:33.03 | enforcer_ | I an't see what im doing on the monitor |
| 14:33.26 | tralala | enforcer_, watch the tv |
| 14:33.36 | tralala | or get a console |
| 14:33.57 | helo | does anyone know what mechanism i could use to allow clients to print to my server as a generic ps printer, but translate that ps to some other type of printer? |
| 14:34.22 | warpzero | uh... cups? |
| 14:35.12 | helo | in cups i configure the printer to be a 'laserjet' or whatever, and then if i share it, won't it require clients to install the laserjet driver to print to it? |
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| 14:37.00 | Pete_B | helo: checkout http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/server-setup-debian-etch.html#printing and http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-etch.html#printing |
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| 14:41.03 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.11 | liable | Pete_B: did you get mysql happy? |
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| 14:43.08 | Pete_B | liable: yes, thanks. From what I can tell if you remove my.cnf there's no way to get a fresh copy back with any amount of purging and force-confmiss. So I got a copy from another system. |
| 14:44.09 | liable | Pete_B: odd, you could touch the file and see if it makes it happy |
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| 14:44.41 | Pete_B | liable: I did and you get left with an empty copy after all the purging and reinstalling |
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| 14:45.49 | abrotman | Pete_B: which packages did you try? |
| 14:46.19 | Pete_B | abrotman: I want to have installed mysql-server so I was dealing with that but as a consequence also purging mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:46.20 | abrotman | Pete_B: you'd have to do the confmiss stuff on mysql-common |
| 14:46.28 | abrotman | !find my.cnf etch |
| 14:46.37 | Pete_B | abrotman: heyyy, nice one |
| 14:47.07 | Pete_B | I wish README.Debian always told you the root package to deal with for that kind of thing |
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| 14:47.28 | liable | heh, same with apache-common |
| 14:47.28 | abrotman | Pete_B: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search my.cnf |
| 14:47.45 | abrotman | Pete_B: or dpkg -S my.cnf |
| 14:47.55 | abrotman | or use packages.debian.org |
| 14:48.09 | Pete_B | abrotman: you're saying my.cnf belongs to mysql-common, I see now |
| 14:48.13 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 14:48.17 | abrotman | i wish the bot would say it too |
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| 14:48.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'my.cnf' (1): (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) in misc/mysql-common. |
| 14:48.37 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:48.38 | abrotman | ! |
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| 14:48.52 | Pete_B | !find my.cnf etch |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | i just did that! |
| 14:48.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'my.cnf' (1): (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) in misc/mysql-common. |
| 14:49.07 | petemc | Pete_B: the general advice is dont go deleteing files unless you know exactly what they do and what provides them |
| 14:49.12 | Pete_B | abrotman: it was late in arriving |
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| 14:50.14 | Pete_B | petemc: oh yeah, I learned that today, I manually deleted /etc/mysql because I was in such difficulties. I've learned again not to do anything but use the Debian supplied tools |
| 14:50.21 | petemc | good job |
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| 14:52.03 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 14:52.04 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 14:52.18 | \amethyst | Pete_B: that might help you get the default version back |
| 14:52.37 | Pete_B | \amethyst: thanks, I was shown that one earlier |
| 14:52.59 | Pete_B | \amethyst: the trouble was I was using it with mysql-server-5.0 not mysql-common |
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| 14:53.02 | abrotman | but he used it on the wrong package |
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| 14:53.40 | Enf0rc3r | hey that fixed my problem, thanks mate |
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| 14:53.52 | Enf0rc3r | but now I just installed gdesklets but it wont show anything |
| 14:54.36 | abrotman | Enf0rc3r: you have to add some |
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| 14:54.53 | abrotman | Enf0rc3r: if you're running gnome .. you should see a puzzle piece looking thing in the systray |
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| 14:56.52 | akuwamari | hi |
| 14:57.02 | akuwamari | is there any .icon editor? |
| 14:57.10 | akuwamari | .ico |
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| 14:58.45 | tarzeau | akuwamari: gimp? |
| 14:58.55 | akuwamari | hummm |
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| 15:02.10 | Enf0rc3r | im runI wanna get a nice looking transparent gdesklets |
| 15:02.14 | Enf0rc3r | im using xfce4 |
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| 15:04.12 | Enf0rc3r | they all look shit |
| 15:04.13 | Enf0rc3r | black |
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| 15:11.42 | ktwilight[m] | when creating raid using mdadm, does the raid info get written to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
| 15:11.54 | ktwilight[m] | 'cuz i sure don't see any configuration there |
| 15:13.07 | alexbodn | hi friends, |
| 15:13.07 | alexbodn | i wish to revert from ldap to standard pam_unix, but after reverting /etc/pam.d/common-* files to their previous * required pam_unix.so contents, login fails without asking for the password. any clue? |
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| 15:18.49 | dee | hi, I've been waiting for libapache2-mod-jk package on etch, have u guys an idea about it? |
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| 15:19.49 | helo | i'm a bit confused about cupsd.conf... does this define who can connect to the configuration system, or who can print to my printer remotely, or both? |
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| 15:20.54 | dee | helo, http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl5_cupsd.conf.htm |
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| 15:21.09 | abrotman | dee: waiting for it ? |
| 15:21.51 | dee | abrotman, I mean, when I install it.. I had the package.. but later it just dissapear. |
| 15:22.03 | abrotman | !info libapache2-mod-jk etch |
| 15:22.06 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-jk: (Apache 2 connector for the Tomcat Java servlet engine), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.18-3etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 15:22.06 | r_a_f | i have lenny/gnome - when i put cursor in any edit field - aplication is closed ? |
| 15:22.11 | dee | abrotman, it is on sit now.. I guess is not ready.. |
| 15:22.11 | helo | dee: i've already looked at the man page... |
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| 15:24.14 | xerophytev | I have debian Sarge need to install sha256sum, i could not find which package its belong to .. can somebody let me know which package its belongs .. in lenny it belongs to coreutils ..but i have coreutils installed on the sarge but that binary missing |
| 15:24.19 | \amethyst | r_a_f: start up an application from a terminal, then click in its edit field and see if you get any error messages in the terminal |
| 15:24.20 | abrotman | dee: it is on sit ? |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
| 15:24.36 | dee | yes... |
| 15:25.17 | raz | hmm.. question for the hardware-guys: i have a dual-core xeon 5130 (2GHZ), linux sees "2 cpus, 2GHZ each". does that mean this beast has two cores with 2ghz *each* or is it 2ghz aggregate performance over the two cores? |
| 15:25.29 | abrotman | raz: 2Ghz each |
| 15:25.36 | raz | abrotman, gasp. |
| 15:25.39 | abrotman | raz: or ask #hardware |
| 15:25.44 | r_a_f | \amethyst: thanks i try |
| 15:25.44 | abrotman | or ##hardware .. whatever it is now |
| 15:25.54 | dee | abrotman, can it be a bug?.. and the put the package out, till some d.d fix it? |
| 15:26.04 | abrotman | dee: the package is in etch .. |
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| 15:26.50 | dee | abrotman, yes, but I got testing. |
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| 15:27.25 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 15:27.35 | abrotman | !why is libapache2-mod-jk not in testing |
| 15:27.35 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-jk is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-jk |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | dee: likely you'll just have to wait |
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| 15:28.41 | dee | abrotman, ok.. so probably Im gonna install from sit and pay attention to the change. |
| 15:28.57 | abrotman | oh .. sid |
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| 15:28.59 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:29.07 | abrotman | dee: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:29.12 | dee | :s "sid" |
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| 15:32.26 | alexbodn | console login fails without asking for the password. i wish to have pam use pam_unix |
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| 15:32.44 | alexbodn | could you help? |
| 15:33.12 | \amethyst | alexbodn: which pam conf files have you modified, and could you post them? |
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| 15:35.31 | alexbodn | \amethyst: i have reverted the common-* files to the standard pam_unix lines (removed pam_ldap). also reverted nsswitch.conf to compat lines. i'm obviously missing something else |
| 15:36.15 | \amethyst | alexbodn: does only console login fail, or all logins? |
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| 15:37.11 | alexbodn | \amethyst: i am currently logged in through gdm, but if i get locked out it won't be that fun |
| 15:37.19 | \amethyst | alexbodn: do you run ssh? |
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| 15:37.25 | alexbodn | yes |
| 15:37.28 | \amethyst | alexbodn: can you try sshing in to localhost? |
| 15:37.36 | alexbodn | right away |
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| 15:38.40 | alexbodn | \amethyst: permission denied |
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| 15:39.36 | ChibaPet | Hey all. A quickie... Is there any safe way so move from amd64 to i386? I find that I need wine, and it isn't available for amd64. |
| 15:39.47 | \amethyst | alexbodn: the only uncommended line in common-auth is something like auth required pam_unix.so try_first_pass ? |
| 15:40.19 | pumpkin0 | ChibaPet: it is "safe" cause you have to reinstall. |
| 15:40.26 | \amethyst | alexbodn: it might not have the 'try_first_pass' |
| 15:40.28 | ChibaPet | heh |
| 15:40.30 | ChibaPet | drat |
| 15:40.49 | alexbodn | \amethyst: yes but use_first_pass |
| 15:40.54 | abrotman | ChibaPet: you could try a 32bit chroot |
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| 15:41.02 | pumpkin0 | ChibaPet: but you should be able to run i386-packages on a AMD64 install. |
| 15:41.22 | \amethyst | alexbodn: that should be fine. And something similar in common-account ('account required pam_unix.so' here)? |
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| 15:41.26 | alexbodn | \amethyst: i also have nullok_secure |
| 15:41.33 | ChibaPet | hm, but what is the issue with wine where it's not supplied on amd64? |
| 15:41.57 | alexbodn | \amethyst: yes, cleaned ldap lines and got to the default |
| 15:42.12 | \amethyst | alexbodn: that's fine, that just prevents you from logging in remotely with a blank password? |
| 15:42.23 | pumpkin0 | ChibaPet: the package-system is not preparded to do a root-jail ... you have to do it yourself. |
| 15:42.36 | ChibaPet | Ah, hm, reading about ... yeah, reading about a 32-bit chroot now. |
| 15:42.36 | alexbodn | \amethyst: ok, thanks for knowledge |
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| 15:43.29 | \amethyst | alexbodn: you might try checking the logs, also checking that you really have a password set and that it is what you think it is |
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| 15:44.00 | alexbodn | \amethyst: maybe the password algorithms have changed for use in ldap? |
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| 15:44.36 | alexbodn | \amethyst: i can use passwd to set a new password. did it but got the same |
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| 15:45.01 | \amethyst | alexbodn: and common-password uses pam_unix too? |
| 15:45.18 | alexbodn | \amethyst: every common-* |
| 15:45.51 | \amethyst | alexbodn: hm.. I'm not sure at the moment. I've gtg now, good luck |
| 15:45.53 | ChibaPet | okay, thanks - I think I can make this work |
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| 15:46.20 | alexbodn | \amethyst: thanks a lot anyway :) |
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| 15:51.08 | uxi | hi |
| 15:51.18 | maxamillion | hello |
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| 15:53.13 | uxi | is it normal that network manager can't store a network setting that uses WPA Enterprise? because I have to enter all the info every time I try to connect.... |
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| 15:54.04 | RedX | hi! i'm having some weird problem sending email. I can receive emails but not send them. i have found nothing suspicious in the log files (i don't really know what to look for) anyone able to help me please? |
| 15:54.23 | chops | RedX: What application are you using to send mails? |
| 15:54.45 | RedX | qmail spamassassin |
| 15:54.57 | RedX | all on a server with plesk |
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| 15:55.16 | RedX | plesk (did most of the configuration so some files are off place) |
| 15:55.20 | jon__ | what group do i need to be in to run ttylog? |
| 15:55.22 | abrotman | plesk isn't supported here |
| 15:55.29 | RedX | hmm k |
| 15:55.41 | RedX | where i have to go to to get plesk support? |
| 15:55.50 | abrotman | ##plesk maybe |
| 15:55.53 | RedX | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.13 | abrotman | and last i knew .. #qmail didn't support plesk either |
| 15:56.42 | RedX | it comes as a default now? |
| 15:56.51 | liable | and people still use qmail? |
| 15:56.54 | abrotman | default in what? not debian |
| 15:56.56 | Polleke | what comes as default? |
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| 15:57.08 | abrotman | liable: yes ... |
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| 15:57.17 | RedX | qmail when i installed plesk came as default mail handler |
| 15:57.22 | liable | abrotman: oh .... |
| 15:57.26 | abrotman | that's fine .. go to ##plesk |
| 15:57.28 | RedX | didn't install anything else |
| 15:57.31 | RedX | went there |
| 15:57.35 | abrotman | so ask and wait |
| 15:57.37 | RedX | 4 ppl there ;-) |
| 15:57.41 | liable | i see your three dots and raise one! |
| 15:57.44 | abrotman | no .. ##plesk .. there are 14 |
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| 15:58.17 | osvaldo | I'm trying to make my Micronet SP907GH wifi antenna to work but I have had no luck, anyone can help me, please? |
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| 15:58.49 | abrotman | you have to know the chipset first |
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| 15:59.36 | alex12 | would there be a way to send commands to a server via SSH ? |
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| 15:59.45 | alex12 | ie: ssh user@ip "do this command" |
| 15:59.51 | Polleke | alex12, yes man ssh |
| 15:59.51 | liable | erm yes, via ssh.. |
| 15:59.52 | alex12 | and get it to report back the results? |
| 15:59.56 | petemc | alex12: just like that |
| 16:00.05 | alex12 | heh |
| 16:00.07 | alex12 | ill rtfm |
| 16:00.39 | enouf | alex12: see debian-administration.org, search for ssh related |
| 16:01.07 | jon__ | what group do i need to be in to run ttylog? |
| 16:01.34 | chops | jon__: Tried 'tty' and 'root'? |
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| 16:01.42 | liable | jon__: doesnt the ttylog docs say? i would imagine you need to be root |
| 16:01.49 | _moep_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.58 | _moep_ | too. what can i do, to fix it? |
| 16:02.07 | jon__ | the man file doesn't say anything. atm can only run as root |
| 16:02.09 | Enf0rc3r | I want a nice little transparent to show me cpu and ram usage, any surgestions? |
| 16:02.13 | enouf | jon__: maybe admin? |
| 16:02.14 | jon__ | i'm also in the tty group |
| 16:02.26 | enouf | logout/login |
| 16:02.26 | liable | jon__: /usr/share/doc/fooprogram |
| 16:02.37 | abrotman | Enf0rc3r: gdesklets or maybe gkrellm |
| 16:03.14 | jon__ | cheers liable, tht works |
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| 16:03.37 | Enf0rc3r | yes for gdesklets |
| 16:03.47 | Enf0rc3r | how do I get it to show the cpu |
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| 16:05.21 | abrotman | add a gdesklet that shows CPU usage |
| 16:05.22 | helo | dee: the guides that i read explaining how to let clients print say |
| 16:05.25 | helo | err nm |
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| 16:05.37 | jon__ | how would i get the data to a file with ttylog? I've tried "> log.txt" at the end of the command but doesn't work |
| 16:05.49 | chops | jon__: ">& log.txt"? |
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| 16:07.19 | BadHorsie | i'm confused, i do an apt-get install sun-java6-jdk and in the dependencies i see "avahi-daemon" |
| 16:07.37 | liable | eveil avahi |
| 16:07.39 | RichiH | Sertion: please don't do that |
| 16:07.41 | jon__ | @chops - that just blanks the file, somehow |
| 16:07.47 | kunsi | hm, i installed postfix via apt-get, set it up to relay mails for my primarv MX, started it. |
| 16:07.53 | liable | i wish dd's would fucking stop making it a depends |
| 16:08.00 | chops | jon__: I would expect it to if there were no output from ttylog |
| 16:08.04 | kunsi | it accepts mails, but /var/log/mail.log is empty, why? |
| 16:08.18 | jon__ | oh no, there was data in it from using cat previously |
| 16:08.18 | Polleke | kunsi, it probably doesnt use syslog for logging |
| 16:08.30 | chops | jon__: Right, but > and >& truncate the file first |
| 16:08.38 | thelostbutler | hello folks, is there a way to undelete or recover data from files that were delete on a ext3 partition. i did search for utilities and all i come across is it can't be done at a utility level, but can be done via grep of the paritition. are there are any low level recovery methods to achieve this |
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| 16:09.03 | thelostbutler | some idiot deleted about 300G of data before backing up |
| 16:09.20 | chops | thelostbutler: There's no general undelete for ext3, unfortunately. Stop using the filesystem immediately (pull the power if it's currently mounted), and look into forensic tools, if the data is vital. |
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| 16:09.35 | jelly | thelostbutler: first thing to do, stop writing to the device and umount |
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| 16:09.44 | kunsi | Polleke: my primary postfix uses syslogd, so why should the secondary not to that? |
| 16:09.49 | gordonjcp | jelly: not even umount |
| 16:09.53 | gordonjcp | just chop the power |
| 16:10.00 | chops | jelly: Pulling the power is better than umount |
| 16:10.12 | jelly | chop chops, huh |
| 16:10.33 | Polleke | kunsi, I've never used postfix.. only got experience with exim4. And exim doesnt use syslog, all I know :) |
| 16:10.33 | thelostbutler | chops: :( oh no, the raid device has been in use for couple of hours, i guess that ruins everything |
| 16:10.33 | weakish | Where should I worte "export PATH" to let gnome recognize it? I've tried /etc/environment, .gnomerc and even gnome.desktop. but all applications started from gnome's menu don't respect it at all. |
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| 16:10.43 | gordonjcp | umount makes sure you write back data to the disk - which is *usually* what you want |
| 16:10.54 | chops | thelostbutler: Not necessarily; you can use forensic tools to see what's still around. |
| 16:10.55 | gordonjcp | thelostbutler: eep |
| 16:11.13 | thelostbutler | chops: any recommendation on which forensics tool ? |
| 16:11.14 | chops | thelostbutler: No way to tell what's been lost and what it still around without checkin |
| 16:11.16 | chops | *checking |
| 16:11.18 | kunsi | so ill ask at #postfix |
| 16:11.23 | enouf | er &> log.txt ? |
| 16:11.38 | chops | thelostbutler: Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with them, sorry. I've used 'sudo strings /dev/kmem' once, but that's it. |
| 16:11.39 | jon__ | chops, using cat ### > log.txt it normally just carries on from the end of the log |
| 16:12.01 | thelostbutler | chops: thanks anyway |
| 16:12.22 | thelostbutler | jelly, gordonjcp thanks |
| 16:12.26 | chops | jon__: No it doesn't. |
| 16:12.40 | jelly | thelostbutler: how valuable is the data? You might want to use a commercial data recovery service. |
| 16:12.42 | chops | thelostbutler: np, good luck |
| 16:12.47 | jon__ | chops, you're right, i was using >> with cat |
| 16:13.06 | jelly | thelostbutler: in any case, first thing to do is probably to create a bit copy of the block device. |
| 16:13.12 | chops | jon__: You can do cat ### 2>&1 >> log.txt to append both stdout and stderr |
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| 16:13.55 | enforcer_ | anyone here use gift? |
| 16:14.00 | enforcer_ | I need to specify a server and port |
| 16:14.03 | enforcer_ | to connect to |
| 16:14.06 | drwahl | !anyone use gift |
| 16:14.06 | dpkg | No, no one uses gift, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:14.07 | enforcer_ | like limewire |
| 16:14.18 | enforcer_ | whats the server / port? |
| 16:14.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | did anyone get CTCP version requests from someone named Sertion? |
| 16:14.40 | drwahl | enforcer_: dunno, did you rtfm? it should specify somehwere in the documentation |
| 16:14.48 | jelly | thelostbutler: one free utility that I know of is http://jbj.rapanden.dk/magicrescue/ |
| 16:15.02 | enforcer_ | no it doesnt |
| 16:15.04 | thelostbutler | jelly: its a month's worth of computational time 24/7 . http://sourceforge.net/projects/giis/ i have come across this. i will look into it |
| 16:15.23 | enforcer_ | ftfm |
| 16:15.25 | chops | thelostbutler: Regardless, you should definitely take a bit copy of the existing block device first |
| 16:15.38 | drwahl | enforcer_: lol |
| 16:15.43 | craigevil | Dark_Apostrophe: yes > Received Version request from Sertion to channel #debian. |
| 16:15.47 | jelly | ... and work on the copy, while keeping the original intact. |
| 16:16.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | craigevil: Why do these guys keep doing that? |
| 16:16.03 | jon__ | @chops - how is that different to just >> ? doesn't matter neway, i'm going off on a tangent here |
| 16:16.05 | ravenbird | okay, jon__ |
| 16:16.27 | craigevil | kiddie scripters with nothing better to do |
| 16:16.33 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: they are dark. and evil. |
| 16:16.43 | abrotman | jon__: don't use @ to talk to people |
| 16:16.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | haha |
| 16:16.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Seriously, though |
| 16:16.53 | abrotman | ravenbird: forget chops - how |
| 16:16.55 | ravenbird | abrotman: i forgot chops - how |
| 16:16.56 | thelostbutler | chops: okay will do thank you :) |
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| 16:17.47 | alex12 | hmm |
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| 16:18.09 | enouf | thelostbutler: some i hear of used, besides the ddrescue, dd_rhelp, is also autopsy, and dcfldd, some mentioned here http://www.guzu.net/linux/datarecovery.php |
| 16:18.13 | alex12 | what would be the bash script equivalent of print 2 new lines? |
| 16:18.49 | enouf | alex12: printf "\n\n" ? |
| 16:19.06 | alex12 | echo; echo would work too |
| 16:19.08 | alex12 | thanks |
| 16:19.38 | enouf | alex12: man ascii also, depends - but yes, 0A |
| 16:20.13 | chops | jon__: "echo > log.txt" redirects stdout, "echo 2>&1 > log.txt" redirects stdout and stderr |
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| 16:21.47 | helo | what do i use for DeviceURI on clients printing to my cups server sharing on :631? neither of http://192.168.1.42:631/{ipp,ipp/port1} work, giving me an error on the server saying "the printer or class was not found" |
| 16:22.35 | jon__ | cheers chops, i didn't know what stderr was, as i don't need it, but a little wiki jelped |
| 16:22.39 | jon__ | *helped |
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| 16:22.46 | chops | jon__: np |
| 16:22.52 | enforcer_ | how do I run a .deb file? |
| 16:23.15 | debian-is-me | Can office 2007 run in wine? |
| 16:23.15 | enouf | chops: funny how sometimes, command >/tmp/log works, sometimes, it just spits out to stdout, sometimes &>/tmp/log works, and sometimes 2>&1 >/dev/null afterwards works - nm ;-) |
| 16:23.23 | helo | i set cups up on the server listening on port 631, and then i configure cupd on the clients as well, set to print to http://servername:631/ipp ? |
| 16:23.48 | debian-is-me | Would an debian box be an good print server?? |
| 16:24.02 | Polleke | helo, try pointing a browser to http://192.168.1.42:631/ |
| 16:24.06 | helo | or is there some way on the clients that i can print directly to the shared cups printer without setting up cups |
| 16:24.14 | cahoot | more like http://server:631/printers/<printerqueue> |
| 16:24.16 | helo | polleke: i can print a test page through that just fine |
| 16:24.33 | helo | how do i know the name of the printerqueue? |
| 16:24.54 | helo | ahh... i guess i can browse it... |
| 16:25.27 | helo | polleke: but i don't know how to get the print function to print to the printer accessed through the browser... |
| 16:25.59 | YodaYoda | enforcer_: .deb file are package files. "dpkg -i filename" will install it if that is what you want. |
| 16:26.41 | debian-is-me | Does cups by default enable to browse from browser? How? |
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| 16:27.50 | helo | that seems to have done it... thanks |
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| 16:28.26 | helo | debian-is-me: yes, it does |
| 16:28.37 | dimsuz | any hint where my LD_LIBRARY_PATH gots reset when I set it in my ~/.bash_profile? other vars I set there (like QTDIR) aren't changed. |
| 16:28.41 | metbsd | how do i find out the freenode op? |
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| 16:28.48 | debian-is-me | helo: What port? |
| 16:28.53 | dimsuz | i almost lost my mind trying to find this :) |
| 16:29.01 | helo | debian-is-me: 631 |
| 16:29.16 | metbsd | i need to know what freenode op is online |
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| 16:29.53 | debian-is-me | metbsd: Why? |
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| 16:30.37 | tesla | okay, i have a question, why is so very very hard to find the commands that are for debian, like "ls" and "run" and stuff why isint this information anywhere 2 be found unless its some specific article about some stuff you dont need 2 do? |
| 16:30.38 | liable | metbsd: ask #freenode |
| 16:30.45 | enouf | metbsd: try #freenode-help maybe |
| 16:30.51 | tesla | why cant there be like a list, with the commands and what they do? |
| 16:30.54 | helo | is there some way i can disable allowing people to print to a file/postscript in firefox, while still allowing them to print to a remote cups printer? |
| 16:31.20 | debian-is-me | tesla: It is like 50000 commands... |
| 16:31.35 | enouf | !tell tesla -about grounding |
| 16:31.58 | debian-is-me | enouf: Tell me about grounding! |
| 16:32.19 | enouf | debian-is-me: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 16:32.22 | helo | tesla: there are many such lists... you can press <tab><tab> to get a list of all commands |
| 16:32.22 | liable | debian-is-me: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 16:32.31 | enouf | debian-is-me: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 16:32.35 | helo | tesla: and then type "man command" to see what a particular command does |
| 16:32.45 | liable | beaten by a fucking chippy |
| 16:32.58 | enouf | heh |
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| 16:33.00 | debian-is-me | I think an simple list of the most commond commands would be usefull! |
| 16:33.16 | enouf | look in /bin |
| 16:33.22 | helo | tesla: that will be pretty time consuming though... so most people just learn how to use different commands from some specific article about some stuff they need to do |
| 16:33.22 | debian-is-me | tesla: man man to see what man does... |
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| 16:34.17 | Eulex | !tell debian-is-me about refcard |
| 16:34.42 | debian-is-me | Doh' |
| 16:35.09 | debian-is-me | Eulex: U as smart as abrotman? |
| 16:35.12 | helo | tesla: unless you just have an academic interest in debian, there is something specific you want to accomplish with it... find an article describing what you want to do, and you'll pick up some useful knowledge... if you want to know more about any of the commands used, type "man command |
| 16:35.21 | Eulex | debian-is-me, not really |
| 16:35.38 | debian-is-me | What hardware should I buy for debian? |
| 16:35.40 | enouf | debian-is-me: er the grounding factoid mentions "refcard" |
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| 16:35.44 | tesla | thx |
| 16:35.50 | enouf | way to follow up |
| 16:36.00 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 16:36.00 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 16:36.06 | enouf | ok dpkg |
| 16:36.39 | liable | i thought abrotman was a bot |
| 16:36.47 | debian-is-me | What video card has the best drivers? |
| 16:36.52 | debian-is-me | !abrotman |
| 16:36.52 | dpkg | well, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour, or one of the few nicks you can complete with left hand and four presses |
| 16:36.56 | helo | ati and nvidia both have great drivers |
| 16:36.58 | craigevil | what actually read something, nah its easier to go to irc and go "How why why not" |
| 16:37.09 | drwahl | i bet if you named dpkg something less obvious and threw some typos in there, alot more people would repsond like dpkg was real :) |
| 16:37.10 | Kevin` | intel probably has the best drivers |
| 16:37.16 | drwahl | might be a fun experiment |
| 16:37.22 | Kevin` | ati an nvidia break sometimes because they keep the drivers proprietary |
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| 16:37.28 | Kevin` | nvidia has traditionally been better |
| 16:37.35 | helo | we could name it "the dpkg test"! |
| 16:38.06 | debian-is-me | helo: nvidia breakes x evrytime i install an new kernel, and you guys make kernels every week! |
| 16:38.07 | liable | name what? |
| 16:38.15 | drwahl | rename dpkg |
| 16:38.20 | drwahl | to something like steve |
| 16:38.22 | drwahl | :) |
| 16:38.29 | Pryon | hey steve! |
| 16:38.36 | helo | we could name this experiment to try to fool people into thinking dpkg is human "The Dpkg Test" |
| 16:39.14 | liable | we dont need to try and fool people, they fail the test daily.. |
| 16:39.15 | loslalfos | or Deb_and_Ian :) |
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| 16:40.21 | craigevil | nah name it stallman, then it can complain that debian isn't free and spout random gibberish |
| 16:40.35 | petemc | you think stallman talks gibberish? |
| 16:40.46 | petemc | or jibberish |
| 16:41.08 | drwahl | i would image both |
| 16:41.14 | drwahl | s/image/imagine |
| 16:42.03 | liable | hehe, I just had an interesting mental picture of the difference between gibberish and jibberish, which is how much your jowls wobble when you talk it.. |
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| 16:42.43 | liable | i think the g version has less jowl movement |
| 16:43.38 | petemc | :) |
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| 16:45.41 | coolStar | hi, anyone using kanotix here? |
| 16:45.45 | coolStar | or knoppix? |
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| 16:45.49 | alvaz | hi |
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| 16:45.52 | craigevil | no one uses kanotix any more |
| 16:46.18 | helo | does firefox use gnome's printing stuff? |
| 16:46.19 | liable | coolStar: we dont support it, if thats what you mean. try #kanotix |
| 16:46.28 | Szeraax | hey all. I just installed debian to my flash drive and i am wondering if the only way to boot the kernel on it is through the bois booting the disk. is it possible to have grub recognize the flashdrive and boot to it? |
| 16:46.29 | liable | coolStar: or better, install debian |
| 16:46.32 | coolStar | well just a quick question..trying to make a liveusb stick |
| 16:46.38 | helo | anyone know if it is possible to disable file/ps printing in firefox? |
| 16:46.40 | coolStar | liable: kool |
| 16:46.48 | petemc | coolStar: debian has a live cd now |
| 16:47.18 | coolStar | ok...if i wanna make a liveusb out of it...i can just copy contents of cd to usb..and do grub-install on usb stick? |
| 16:47.21 | coolStar | that should work right? |
| 16:47.34 | petemc | not exactly, read one of the many guidea |
| 16:47.36 | petemc | guides |
| 16:47.51 | coolStar | could u kindly give me a link or two? |
| 16:48.01 | liable | coolStar: if they have a hd-media kernel, you can do that |
| 16:48.02 | petemc | that would require me to google for them |
| 16:48.15 | coolStar | petemc: no worries :) |
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| 16:48.31 | alvaz | hi |
| 16:48.34 | alvaz | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption |
| 16:48.43 | alvaz | do you know what does it means? |
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| 16:49.17 | pumpkin0 | alvaz: somebody did a mistake wihle writting the program. |
| 16:49.19 | Polleke | alvaz, bug in program you're using most likely |
| 16:49.24 | alvaz | uhm |
| 16:49.28 | alvaz | what type of bug? |
| 16:49.33 | alvaz | buffer overflow? |
| 16:49.36 | helo | a double free :) |
| 16:49.40 | Polleke | alvaz, someone calling free() twice |
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| 16:49.44 | helo | or corruption :) |
| 16:49.54 | alvaz | uhm |
| 16:49.57 | alvaz | it seems very strange |
| 16:50.11 | alvaz | I never called free |
| 16:50.13 | alvaz | o.O |
| 16:50.14 | helo | if you malloc some memory, then free it, then try to free it again, you'll get that |
| 16:50.26 | liable | alvaz: what debian version and what program? |
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| 16:50.37 | alvaz | it is on vmware |
| 16:50.38 | helo | it's also possible with C++'s delete |
| 16:50.38 | pumpkin0 | alvaz: did you write that program ? |
| 16:50.58 | alvaz | this program is written in systemc code |
| 16:51.01 | alvaz | it is very complex |
| 16:51.08 | alvaz | systemc is a c++ clas |
| 16:51.10 | alvaz | *class |
| 16:51.26 | alvaz | I use linux emulated on vmware |
| 16:51.33 | alvaz | *I'm using |
| 16:51.35 | liable | why, if its on vmware and its not in debian, do you think we should support it? |
| 16:51.55 | alvaz | it is a debian version that is it emulated |
| 16:52.08 | liable | what debian version? |
| 16:52.21 | drwahl | just because its in vmware does not mean ints not debian. vmware images *should* be supported |
| 16:52.22 | liable | and anyway, ask #vmware |
| 16:52.28 | Kevin` | alvaz the more complex the program the more possibility for bugs |
| 16:52.35 | liable | drwahl: bullshit |
| 16:52.40 | Kevin` | alvaz have you tried running gdb to see where the error occurs? |
| 16:52.45 | alvaz | however.. this bug.. could be a buffer overflow? |
| 16:53.06 | Pryon | It is a heap corruption, so it could be a buffer overflow or any of a thousand other erros. |
| 16:53.07 | liable | yes |
| 16:53.18 | alvaz | yes.. I'm running it but first I would know if anyone knows this bug |
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| 16:53.23 | alvaz | ok |
| 16:53.24 | liable | it could also be sunspots causing it |
| 16:53.27 | Pryon | It's not a specific error message. |
| 16:53.28 | alvaz | thx |
| 16:53.36 | alvaz | see you |
| 16:53.40 | Kevin` | alvaz well you didn't say what software you were using |
| 16:53.43 | Kevin` | and it's a generic bug |
| 16:53.51 | alvaz | I'm emulating hardware |
| 16:53.59 | alvaz | a sensor node |
| 16:54.03 | liable | can you be more vague? |
| 16:54.06 | alvaz | asd |
| 16:54.16 | alvaz | in particular |
| 16:54.24 | alvaz | the nic of that sensor |
| 16:54.27 | Kevin` | i've never seen vmware cause high level errors like that, I doubt it's related to vmware directly |
| 16:54.40 | alvaz | uhm ok |
| 16:54.45 | drwahl | alvaz: when it comes to hardware emulation in vmware, take it with a grain of salt, because vmware does not do a GREAT job emulating most hardware |
| 16:54.54 | Kevin` | you could try in qemu with full emulation though |
| 16:55.02 | alvaz | uhm ok |
| 16:55.04 | drwahl | alvaz: if you want to see if it would actually work, put it on a real system without emulated hardware |
| 16:55.06 | alvaz | I'll try |
| 16:55.26 | alvaz | it is not possible in this case.. |
| 16:55.53 | alvaz | now I'll try to use gdb |
| 16:55.56 | alvaz | see you |
| 16:55.57 | alvaz | :) |
| 16:55.58 | alvaz | rhx |
| 16:55.59 | alvaz | *thx |
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| 16:57.35 | real0ne | i want to remove GRUB, how can i do it? |
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| 16:59.36 | Polleke | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1. Dont do that... it's probably not what you want |
| 16:59.46 | Polleke | real0ne, how you mean remove? |
| 17:00.01 | Pryon | and do you want to replace it with something else? |
| 17:00.20 | real0ne | when i start my computer i don't like to see Grub because i want to reinstall other OS |
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| 17:00.44 | enforcer_ | I installed frostwire, but it wont connect |
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| 17:00.58 | Polleke | real0ne, you're still not making much sense |
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| 17:01.27 | Pryon | real0ne: Do you care about the data on the disk? |
| 17:01.31 | opensrcguru | the install of the other OS should take care of that task for you.....if im understanding you correctly. |
| 17:01.34 | drwahl | real0ne: i believe you need to change the setting in your bios to boot of a device other than the hard drive that grub is on |
| 17:01.41 | real0ne | do i have windows XP and debian but now i want to reinstall Windows XP but GRUB block that |
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| 17:02.01 | Polleke | opensrcguru, totally depends on the install of that os |
| 17:02.03 | real0ne | i have just one hard dick |
| 17:02.11 | Pryon | The XP installer should be able to rewrite the MBR. Are you not booting from CD? |
| 17:02.13 | opensrcguru | ha |
| 17:02.15 | enforcer_ | how can I make my system load xfce4 when it boots up and ask for username and password? |
| 17:02.16 | real0ne | and i have set two partition 1 for debia and one for XP |
| 17:02.29 | lsec | How GRUB may block XP install? |
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| 17:02.35 | craigevil | enforcer: click Session and choose xfce |
| 17:02.42 | lsec | May be you're trying to install XP on ext3 partition? :) |
| 17:02.45 | drwahl | GRUB isnt blocking the install. you need to change the boot device in your BIOS |
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| 17:02.53 | opensrcguru | real0ne: if you can boot your cdrom, the XP install will take care of the rest. |
| 17:03.07 | enforcer_ | click session? |
| 17:03.13 | real0ne | no that |
| 17:03.16 | lsec | real0ne: opensrcguru is right, read your BIOS manual |
| 17:03.29 | real0ne | i boot with cd and make all with XP cdrom |
| 17:04.04 | real0ne | but when the instalation system for XP copy all file he rebot then install the XP system |
| 17:04.27 | real0ne | ok? |
| 17:04.32 | Pryon | enforcer_: Are you running a display manager? (gdm/kdm/xdm, etc.) |
| 17:04.39 | enforcer_ | no |
| 17:04.41 | real0ne | no |
| 17:04.44 | enforcer_ | do I have to? |
| 17:04.45 | real0ne | :) |
| 17:05.00 | lsec | enforcer_: only if you need it) |
| 17:05.03 | Pryon | I know of no other way for X to ask for a username/password. |
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| 17:05.19 | opensrcguru | i find it hard to believe that XP didnt wibe the MBR with its own pestilence......but if it did, them the aforementioned dd command from a live cd should do the trick. |
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| 17:06.03 | real0ne | plz explain more |
| 17:06.32 | opensrcguru | as Polleke mentioned, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 |
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| 17:06.55 | opensrcguru | theres not a whole lot to explain. |
| 17:07.00 | Pryon | real0ne: You should be able to boot the XP cd, enter rescue mode and run fixmbr |
| 17:07.07 | real0ne | i can't desinstall and reinstall Grub? |
| 17:07.18 | real0ne | i boot with XP cd |
| 17:07.35 | real0ne | i say that after boot with XP |
| 17:07.41 | opensrcguru | you could buy a new hard disc.... |
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| 17:07.44 | real0ne | he copy all files and restart |
| 17:07.45 | abrotman | or try ##windows |
| 17:07.58 | abrotman | real0ne: this channel is for Debian support .. not for us to help you reinstall windows |
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| 17:09.00 | dnanar | i'm trying to extract files from a .rar archive. however the first file of the archive is corrupted. How to extract all the others file please (which seems to be ok) ? |
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| 17:09.58 | Pryon | according to the unrar man page, you can exclude specific files |
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| 17:14.04 | gourmand | dnanar: unrar x -kb |
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| 17:16.00 | Yourname`` | Hello there. I currently have CentOS5 on a server in a far away datacenter. I was wondering if there is an easy way of installing Debian remotely. For example, for a fresh install of CentOS, it was easy as downloading a small image of the first CD or something, opening a VNC port to my computer and then proceed with installation. Anything like that for debian? |
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| 17:16.49 | Tomarrow | Hello |
| 17:16.59 | acxty | I have a doubt about free and top command. I have 1GP of RAM and it say 900mb used , 100 free, and 450 cached. Does the cached can be considered as free memory or no? |
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| 17:17.08 | Tomarrow | Im trying to run make install on a program but it says "linux kernel source not found." what should I do ? |
| 17:17.49 | Polleke | Tomarrow, what program? |
| 17:17.57 | Tomarrow | its a driver |
| 17:18.02 | Tomarrow | for a network card |
| 17:18.09 | Tomarrow | all .c files |
| 17:18.16 | SlayerXP | Tomarrow: install the kernel source package |
| 17:18.25 | Tomarrow | whats that name? |
| 17:18.39 | SlayerXP | Tomarrow: "aptitude search" is your friend |
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| 17:18.51 | \amethyst | Tomarrow: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:18.53 | Tomarrow | isn't there more then one ? |
| 17:19.00 | \amethyst | Tomarrow: it probably don't need the full source, only the headers |
| 17:19.04 | SlayerXP | Tomarrow: probably |
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| 17:19.46 | Polleke | Tomarrow, it's btw weird it said that when running "make install", and not during make |
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| 17:21.23 | Polleke | acxty, cached is hd cache... it is free yes |
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| 17:22.42 | atomic__ | hello, i am using apt-mirror on etch 4.0r3 to mirror ubuntu gutsy for a lan, and i see that people put separate entries in mirror.list for main, universe, multiverse and such, in the format of "deb http:/link.to.repo gutsy main" |
| 17:22.54 | atomic__ | i dont fully understand the repo mechanims |
| 17:23.10 | SlayerXP | atomic__: do you see the but where you said "ubuntu"? |
| 17:23.23 | atomic__ | yeah sorry, i saw the bit in the topic |
| 17:23.24 | Tomarrow | yeah I only installed the headers and it worked |
| 17:23.32 | atomic__ | but the #ubuntu-server bunch wasnt very helpfull |
| 17:23.32 | SlayerXP | atomic__: that's the point at which people here stopped reading what you typed. |
| 17:23.40 | atomic__ | sigh.. |
| 17:23.45 | Tomarrow | wy is it I only needed the headers? |
| 17:23.46 | Supaplex | atomic__: that's their infrastructure. I attempted to use my own section on a local repo, and well, I never figured it out either. |
| 17:24.05 | atomic__ | and i well aware of the spartan community that debian has :) |
| 17:24.19 | kuchenhure | I |
| 17:24.22 | Tomarrow | now I have a error "Compiler not found" ? |
| 17:24.28 | abrotman | SlayerXP: he's using etch ? |
| 17:24.52 | Supaplex | !tell Tomarrow -about installit |
| 17:24.57 | atomic__ | i was just wondering if i can shove everything at the end of the line, like "deb http://link.to.repo gutsy main universe multiverse" |
| 17:24.59 | Qwell | with dash, is there some setting or something to make ~ actually...work? |
| 17:25.06 | kuchenhure | er I'm using one of my old debian boxes with like 333mhz with 2 eth cards, I'd like to run my connection through it, besides the dhcp server , firewall, and proxy, what else would I need to setup? |
| 17:25.07 | atomic__ | and not have separate entries.. |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | atomic__: yes .. you should be able to .. though it really doesn't matter |
| 17:25.22 | SlayerXP | abrotman: hmmm? |
| 17:25.34 | Tomarrow | what do I need to install.. I already know im missing software |
| 17:25.58 | Tomarrow | but apt-get install compiler probably wont work |
| 17:26.02 | abrotman | !b-e Tomarrow |
| 17:26.02 | atomic__ | i already built the mirror for gutsy, apt-mirror is currently dowloading the gutsy-updates and gutsy-security packets, so i figure its ok, i just wanted to ask to be sure |
| 17:26.02 | dpkg | Tomarrow: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:26.05 | atomic__ | thnx abrotman |
| 17:26.11 | Supaplex | !tell Tomarrow about search |
| 17:26.12 | Tomarrow | k |
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| 17:26.33 | Supaplex | build-essential is a good choice. :) |
| 17:26.51 | drwahl | i am seeing a lot of "Feb 26 09:17:01 webwahl CRON[25137]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root" in /var/log/auth.log. does anyone know what this is about and whether i should be concerned, or how to fix it? |
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| 17:27.19 | abrotman | drwahl: every minute ? |
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| 17:27.40 | drwahl | abrotman: actually about 3 every 20 minutes |
| 17:27.47 | drwahl | or less |
| 17:27.49 | drwahl | kinda varies |
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| 17:28.16 | abrotman | sounds normal |
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| 17:28.34 | drwahl | http://pastebin.com/m34b43934 |
| 17:28.54 | Supaplex | just a noisy cron :) |
| 17:28.54 | streuner_ | liable: ping |
| 17:29.03 | Qwell | Would it be a bug in dash if this doesn't work? It works just fine in bash, because the ~ is expanded properly... make install DESTDIR=~/blah |
| 17:29.10 | drwahl | i had never noticed them before. but it sounds safe, so i wont bother worrying too much. thanks! |
| 17:29.38 | Tomarrow | im actually using ubuntu but all of that works |
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| 17:30.10 | enforcer_ | im using the ati driver, but xorg is REALLY bright and smokey |
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| 17:30.15 | enforcer_ | it's hard to see, how can I fix this? |
| 17:30.20 | streuner_ | abrotman: any idea who that is? http://80.237.206.16:7620 |
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| 17:30.36 | abrotman | streuner_: what is it? a video stream ? |
| 17:30.48 | streuner_ | abrotman: no, music stream |
| 17:30.49 | enforcer_ | it's giving me the shits |
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| 17:30.53 | drwahl | no, its a shoutcast stream |
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| 17:31.01 | streuner_ | abrotman: oh, you are at work..., ic |
| 17:31.22 | abrotman | streuner_: it's music |
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| 17:31.53 | enforcer_ | hello? |
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| 17:32.03 | Tomarrow | yay my nework card works |
| 17:32.24 | enforcer_ | im using the ati driver, but xorg is REALLY bright and smokey hard to see how can I fix it? |
| 17:32.28 | Tomarrow | you see #ubuntu has not that many people that know what they are doing |
| 17:32.38 | Tomarrow | but I can still get the support in debian channel |
| 17:32.45 | abrotman | not if we know |
| 17:32.47 | abrotman | and now we do |
| 17:32.48 | streuner_ | abrotman: sounds like "Dream Theater" or "Foo Fighters" |
| 17:32.52 | Tomarrow | got my nic working thx |
| 17:33.09 | atomic__ | i read this somewhere, #ubuntu is like standing at rush our at the biggest bus station in the world |
| 17:33.10 | abrotman | streuner_: sounded a bit like Soundgarden .. but not enough screaming .. |
| 17:33.19 | atomic__ | orsmth |
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| 17:34.17 | atomic__ | soungarden are great, "The day i tried to live" <-- Cornell's best performance ever |
| 17:34.27 | streuner_ | abrotman: yeah, DJ played randomly soundgarden too... |
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| 17:34.33 | Pryon | "on fire", perhaps |
| 17:36.23 | Yourname`` | Hello there. I currently have CentOS5 on a server in a far away datacenter. I was wondering if there is an easy way of installing Debian remotely. For example, for a fresh install of CentOS, it was easy as downloading a small image of the first CD or something, opening a VNC port to my computer and then proceed with installation. Anything like that for debian? |
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| 17:38.26 | abrotman | !deboostrap |
| 17:38.28 | slidesinger | I have libpaper1 installed and set to letter, but evince and openoffice.org are defaulting to A4. Any suggestions? |
| 17:38.30 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 17:38.30 | dpkg | well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 17:39.55 | marinosi | Hello..I have a system with multiple ifaces..Is there any place better than rc.local to do the actual routing ? |
| 17:40.11 | atomic__ | huh? |
| 17:40.35 | marinosi | ? |
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| 17:41.43 | gourmand | marinosi: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:48.39 | wad | What's a good C code reformatter? |
| 17:49.43 | gourmand | wad: indent? |
| 17:49.51 | wad | gourmand, okay. |
| 17:50.06 | wad | By the way, what's a good IDE for debian developers? |
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| 17:50.18 | wad | I'm just starting to get involved. Going to work on some C code. |
| 17:51.14 | LeGreffi3R | wad> any shell + vim + (your compiler and tools you need) |
| 17:51.21 | gourmand | emacs )) |
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| 17:51.26 | Malf | wad: I just recently grabbed kdevelop which seems nice. |
| 17:51.34 | wad | Well, I'm already using vim under bash. :) |
| 17:51.34 | LeGreffi3R | wad> some mad people will advise you emacs though :) |
| 17:51.41 | gourmand | ))) |
| 17:51.47 | wad | I don't do emacs. vim rules. |
| 17:52.02 | LeGreffi3R | </troll> :) |
| 17:52.10 | Malf | I've always been vim in a terminal up until now but thought i'd give some IDEs a shot to see what we've got |
| 17:52.29 | LeGreffi3R | eclipse has a good plugin for C |
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| 17:52.53 | Malf | Yeah eclipse supposedly does do C. |
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| 17:52.55 | gourmand | wad: for c++: codeblocks, elipse |
| 17:53.04 | abrotman | eclipse |
| 17:53.07 | wad | s/elipse/eclipse |
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| 17:53.23 | lsec | for c++: vim w/ foldings + compiler & other tools |
| 17:53.27 | LeGreffi3R | Java syntax is based on c so... |
| 17:53.39 | jelly-home | so? |
| 17:53.54 | LeGreffi3R | so eclipse do good job on C... |
| 17:54.10 | LeGreffi3R | though i don't like IDE |
| 17:54.13 | wad | Huh?? kdevelop wants csv too. |
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| 17:54.38 | Malf | yeah it wants to let you use that as source control if you decide to with a project |
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| 17:55.08 | Malf | though the things i did in it all defaulted to not using source control |
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| 17:55.21 | Malf | not sure if there's a way to get it up without that installed if you don't want it though |
| 17:55.37 | o2T7 | LeGreffi3R: I've heard that eclipse in only good for java and only java :P |
| 17:55.54 | abrotman | o2T7: lies |
| 17:56.05 | Malf | o2T7: I've heard that eclipse is hardly good for that. |
| 17:56.22 | jelly-home | Malf: it's linked to libcvsservice0, which Depends: cvs for some reason |
| 17:56.23 | LeGreffi3R | i heard vim rocked eclipse as well... |
| 17:56.43 | NetEcho | is there a way to control the behaviour behind when applications use swapfile? |
| 17:56.44 | o2T7 | :D |
| 17:56.46 | Malf | jelly-home: Imagine that. |
| 17:57.24 | jelly-home | Malf: I can imagine it being downgraded to Recommends because of this |
| 17:57.29 | azeem | NetEcho: do you mean the kernel swap? I don't think so, it's Linux which decides that I believe |
| 17:57.41 | Malf | jelly-home: You have quite the agreeable imagination |
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| 17:58.02 | NetEcho | Mem: 1001624k total, 945160k used, 56464k free, 63232k buffers |
| 17:58.15 | NetEcho | yet top isn't showing any programs using it |
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| 17:58.24 | azeem | NetEcho: using what? |
| 17:58.31 | moshii | NetEcho: caches |
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| 17:58.38 | simoncpu | greetings, earthlings |
| 17:58.43 | NetEcho | ah ok so the kernel caches the memory until needed? |
| 17:58.53 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 17:58.53 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 17:59.03 | simoncpu | i'm trying to install mysql-server-4.1 and mysql-client-4.1 |
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| 17:59.18 | simoncpu | problem is, apt automatically installs mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-client-5.0 |
| 17:59.26 | simoncpu | instead of version 4.1. what gives? =) |
| 17:59.39 | NetEcho | simoncpu apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 |
| 17:59.43 | NetEcho | try that |
| 17:59.53 | moshii | simoncpu: are you selecting the packages for that version not the meta packages? |
| 17:59.57 | NetEcho | after doing apt-get remove --purge mysql |
| 18:00.25 | simoncpu | NetEcho: i did that, but it seems that mysql 4.1 has been set to depend on mysql 5.0 |
| 18:00.32 | simoncpu | and mysql 5.0 has been set to replace 4.1 |
| 18:00.35 | NetEcho | why not use 5.0? |
| 18:00.40 | NetEcho | it's workig fine for me |
| 18:00.43 | NetEcho | *working |
| 18:00.48 | abrotman | simoncpu: there's no 4.1 in etch |
| 18:01.01 | simoncpu | NetEcho: it's for a legacy website that uses weird sql (i.e., reserved words) |
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| 18:01.08 | abrotman | !tell o2T7 about away |
| 18:01.14 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 18:01.20 | simoncpu | i'll try apt-get remove --purge thingy =) |
| 18:01.27 | moshii | simoncpu: in that case it seems 4.1 doesn't exist anymore and the packages have been changed to dummy packages to make upgrades work |
| 18:01.32 | abrotman | simoncpu: there is no mysql4.1 in etch |
| 18:01.35 | NetEcho | simoncpu it won't work |
| 18:01.40 | NetEcho | read why abrotman is saying |
| 18:01.44 | NetEcho | *what |
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| 18:01.54 | simoncpu | moshii: yepp, it seems so; 4.1 is "transitional package", whatever that means =) |
| 18:01.55 | NetEcho | I would think 5.0 has backwards compatibility |
| 18:02.19 | abrotman | simoncpu: it was for people that were running mysql-server-4.1 .. when they did the dist-upgrade .. they would get upgraded to 5.0 |
| 18:02.45 | simoncpu | hmmm... i'll go google for what to look out when using 5.0 for apps that were designed for 4.1 |
| 18:03.12 | abrotman | simoncpu: have you looked in the docs folder for mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 18:03.29 | simoncpu | hmmmm.... nope, not yet |
| 18:03.32 | simoncpu | hihihi :) |
| 18:03.40 | moshii | simoncpu: I don't think apps shouldn't care too much.. |
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| 18:03.57 | simoncpu | yepp, i agree |
| 18:04.00 | moshii | simoncpu: that's why we have standards and things... |
| 18:04.01 | Malf | That's strike 1. Two more folder references and you're banned from IRC abrotman. Better watch it... |
| 18:05.19 | NetEcho | is the 3 numbers in load average 5min, 15min, avg between both numbers or 5, 10, 15? |
| 18:05.40 | NetEcho | nm |
| 18:05.42 | NetEcho | ignore that |
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| 18:11.38 | pumpkin0 | how do i dynamicly limit the downloadrate of wget ? --limit-rate is nice but you cannot change it after the download starts... |
| 18:12.16 | xand | pumpkin0: I doubt you can |
| 18:12.44 | Malf | pumpkin0: By writing some ugly hack of a script to kill wget and resume the download with a new --limit-rate? |
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| 18:12.55 | drwahl | pumpkin0: if you use -r, you can then stop the download, and resume it with the speed u want |
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| 18:13.22 | pumpkin0 | Malf, drwahl: the server does not support resumes. |
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| 18:13.37 | drwahl | in that case, your are SOL afaik |
| 18:13.42 | Malf | pumpkin0: Get good at guessing the rate right off the bat? |
| 18:13.52 | valdyn | pumpkin0: what could be the purpose of limiting download rate of wget ? |
| 18:14.06 | valdyn | pumpkin0: maybe you really want prioritising of traffic |
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| 18:15.06 | valdyn | pumpkin0: otherwise: mabe trickle / trickled do what you want |
| 18:15.07 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: the line is too slow for 6 people if i download our data from the server. But there is no central gateway, just a ADSL-Router. That router is no good at shaping... |
| 18:15.43 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: and at night the download can go faster, because fewer people are online. (one batch takes 3 hours) |
| 18:18.10 | gourmand | pumpkin0: piping it through squid is an option |
| 18:18.12 | simoncpu | uhm..... |
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| 18:18.30 | simoncpu | the folder /usr/share/docs/mysql-server-4.1 only contains the copyright and changelog |
| 18:18.36 | pumpkin0 | ok, w/o going the very long way round ... |
| 18:18.46 | valdyn | !trickle |
| 18:18.51 | valdyn | !teset |
| 18:18.53 | valdyn | !test |
| 18:18.53 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:18.55 | simoncpu | do you guys know where i can find a site that tells me that mysql-server-4.1 has indeed been removed in etch? |
| 18:18.59 | valdyn | !info trickle |
| 18:19.03 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-5 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 18:19.23 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: trickle looks good, but it is static. no way to change after start.. |
| 18:19.34 | valdyn | pumpkin0: not even with trickled ? |
| 18:19.58 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: checking ... that line is to slow. |
| 18:20.01 | Maulkin | simoncpu: http://packages.debian.org/etch/mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 18:20.31 | simoncpu | Maulkin: thanks!!! w00t |
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| 18:23.17 | enforcer_ | how can I completely remove amsn from my system |
| 18:23.32 | Maulkin | simoncpu: or... http://people.debian.org/~neilm/ohnoez.html |
| 18:23.35 | enforcer_ | I done apt-get remove amsn, but when I reinstalled, settings were still there |
| 18:23.45 | simoncpu | cool, cool |
| 18:23.48 | theatro | enforcer_, rm -fr ~/.amsn |
| 18:23.50 | valdyn | enforcer_: apt-get remove --purge amsn |
| 18:23.56 | simoncpu | l0l |
| 18:24.01 | simoncpu | hahahahahahahah |
| 18:24.07 | Maulkin | enforcer_: apt-get remove --purge amsn; rm -rf ~/.amsn |
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| 18:24.28 | simoncpu | Maulkin: that would really convince them to tidy the code |
| 18:24.44 | simoncpu | thanks for making the Internet a better and standard-complying place |
| 18:25.29 | koojoo | is there a console based PDF reader in portage or even a program i can use via console to convert a PDF to html to be read in links2? |
| 18:26.45 | valdyn | koojoo: /j #gentoo |
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| 18:26.54 | enforcer_ | grr |
| 18:27.08 | enforcer_ | that didn't get rid of the settings plus now when I load it, it closes |
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| 18:27.49 | valdyn | enforcer_: "ls -ld ~/.amsn*" |
| 18:28.20 | enforcer_ | drwx------ 7 enforcer enforcer 4096 2008-02-27 05:26 /home/enforcer/.amsn |
| 18:28.48 | valdyn | enforcer_: maybe amsn was started when you removed those files |
| 18:28.53 | enforcer_ | I want to completely remove it and all traces and start again |
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| 18:29.13 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 18:29.28 | valdyn | enforcer_: so, first quit amsn, then apt-get remove --purge amsn; rm -rf ~/.amsn |
| 18:29.31 | Ace2016 | is it possible to change the password of an encrypted partition? its encrypted with dmcrypt |
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| 18:29.59 | drwahl | enforcer_: ls /etc/*amsn* |
| 18:30.02 | gourmand | Ace2016: is it LUKS ? |
| 18:30.04 | Haris | hello people |
| 18:30.11 | Ace2016 | yes LUKS |
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| 18:30.34 | gourmand | Ace2016: yes |
| 18:30.42 | azeem | is somebody running fretsonfire in lenny and it does not immediately traceback with "Couldn't find matching GLX visual"? |
| 18:30.44 | Haris | does aptitude make backups of current config files when one runs aptitude install package that is already instaled? or does it only over-write everything? |
| 18:30.45 | Ace2016 | oh thank god, how do i do it? |
| 18:30.50 | enforcer_ | grr |
| 18:30.53 | enforcer_ | it's screwed now |
| 18:30.58 | enforcer_ | it keeps closing when I start it |
| 18:31.01 | azeem | and if so, what desktop environment are they using |
| 18:31.09 | valdyn | enforcer_: did you follow the last advice? |
| 18:31.12 | drwahl | enforcer_: dpkg-reconfigure amsn |
| 18:31.14 | gourmand | Ace2016: cryptsetup luksAddKey |
| 18:31.28 | enforcer_ | ls: /etc/*amsn*: No such file or directory |
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| 18:31.44 | valdyn | looks like amsn is not installed |
| 18:31.51 | Ace2016 | so what password is used to encrypt the data by LUKS? |
| 18:31.58 | enforcer_ | but when I install it agian, the settings come bakc |
| 18:32.00 | enforcer_ | and it closes |
| 18:32.14 | drwahl | enforcer_: ok, that verifies that there are no sysem wide files that might effect it. which means everything would have been stored in ~/.amsn, which hsould have been deleted |
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| 18:32.18 | valdyn | enforcer_: did you follow the advice i gave above precisely? |
| 18:32.30 | enforcer_ | yes |
| 18:32.34 | enforcer_ | it keeps closing |
| 18:33.00 | drwahl | enforcer_: start it in a terminal and see why its clsing |
| 18:33.05 | drwahl | grr... *closing |
| 18:33.06 | gourmand | Ace2016: master key is encrypted with several user keys, which you can add/remove |
| 18:33.06 | valdyn | enforcer_: maybe you really did the rm -rf as root, who knows |
| 18:33.09 | chops | enforcer_: Can you pastebin a command-line session wherein you followed the above advice, and then run 'strace amsn'? |
| 18:33.30 | enforcer_ | yes I did |
| 18:33.31 | danand_ | enforcer - dpkg -L pkgname should give you the location of all the system files for the given package |
| 18:33.35 | enforcer_ | sudo rm -rf |
| 18:33.49 | Ace2016 | i thought when you encrypt something you use say the file and my password to encrypt it, so how can i suddenly change that password? |
| 18:33.50 | valdyn | enforcer_: silly, the ~/ is supposed to refer to your users ~ , not roots ~ |
| 18:33.55 | enforcer_ | oos |
| 18:33.58 | enforcer_ | how do I fix it |
| 18:34.09 | valdyn | enforcer_: you just rm -rf ~/.amsn |
| 18:34.20 | valdyn | enforcer_: you dont need to "fix" roots amsn |
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| 18:35.12 | lsec | just wondering is there a way to find what package the particular file belongs to, if the file was created during package installation |
| 18:35.43 | valdyn | lsec: which file? |
| 18:35.56 | enforcer_ | done rm -rf ~/.amsn |
| 18:35.56 | manju29 | close |
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| 18:36.06 | valdyn | lsec: such files are in a patch that refers to the creating package / program |
| 18:36.07 | enforcer_ | but it still has the settins and closes straight away |
| 18:36.13 | gourmand | Ace2016: LUKS encrypts the master key (randomly generated) with your passwords and stores results in slots |
| 18:36.28 | chops | enforcer_: Can you pastebin the session output as requested above, please? |
| 18:36.29 | enforcer_ | this is really starting to shit me |
| 18:36.34 | drwahl | enforcer_: can you open amsn from a terminal and see if it ouputs anything when it closes? |
| 18:36.35 | enforcer_ | what do you mean? |
| 18:37.06 | Ace2016 | thats so unsafe |
| 18:37.17 | chops | enforcer_: Please add a prefix indicating who you're talking to when you ask a general question like "what do you mean?". I assume you mean me; search back for 'pastebin' |
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| 18:37.22 | valdyn | lsec: s/patch/path/ |
| 18:37.23 | gourmand | Ace2016: no at all |
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| 18:37.31 | gourmand | Ace2016: /no/not/ |
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| 18:37.45 | Haris | ? |
| 18:37.50 | enforcer_ | http://pastebin.com/m7a6a94a6 |
| 18:37.58 | Haris | !sources.list |
| 18:37.58 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:38.01 | drwahl | this chat is starting to lose its wheels.... |
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| 18:38.13 | Haris | what do I put in sources for lenny/sid? |
| 18:38.25 | Haris | cat /etc/debian_version = lenny/sid |
| 18:38.33 | Ace2016 | www.stage6.com is going down :( download while you can |
| 18:38.40 | chops | enforcer_: What's 'echo $LANG' output? |
| 18:38.41 | valdyn | enforcer_: terminal window to small for amsn? |
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| 18:39.01 | enforcer_ | en_AU |
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| 18:39.24 | enforcer_ | why are the settings staying there? |
| 18:39.25 | jelly-home | Haris: "lenny/sid" means you might be running either lenny (current testing), or sid (unstable) |
| 18:39.31 | enforcer_ | it be completely gone :/ |
| 18:39.35 | chops | enforcer_: Does it work if you say 'LANG=C amsn'? Also, I asked you to do more than just pastebin running amsn. |
| 18:39.45 | chops | (1:33:07 PM) chops: enforcer_: Can you pastebin a command-line session wherein you followed the above advice, and then run 'strace amsn'? |
| 18:39.50 | Ace2016 | thanks |
| 18:40.10 | chops | enforcer_: "The above advice" being to close amsn, remove ~/.amsn, purge the package, and then reinstall it and run 'strace amsn'. |
| 18:40.30 | enforcer_ | chops no it doesnt |
| 18:40.50 | valdyn | i doubt he ever removed ~/.amsn |
| 18:40.51 | drwahl | it looks like the window is offset off the side of the screen and that is freaking it out. anyone know how to reset that? |
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| 18:40.56 | enforcer_ | I have |
| 18:40.57 | valdyn | because that is where his settings are saved |
| 18:41.03 | valdyn | pebkac |
| 18:41.09 | enforcer_ | yes thats it drwahl |
| 18:41.10 | Haris | When I do a -> aptitude install vim |
| 18:41.19 | Haris | it starts re-configuring amavis |
| 18:41.24 | enforcer_ | because when I click prefrences before it wouldn't open |
| 18:41.28 | enforcer_ | I think it's off the screen |
| 18:41.35 | Haris | because it was left in the not configured state (iF) before |
| 18:41.38 | Haris | and its stuck |
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| 18:41.45 | enforcer_ | how do I reset it? |
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| 18:42.05 | drwahl | enforcer_: i have had this issue before, but i forget what i did to fix it. what dekstop environment u using? |
| 18:42.16 | enforcer_ | xfce4 |
| 18:42.16 | drwahl | enforcer_: there might be some way to "collect" all the windows... |
| 18:42.19 | Haris | its doing nothing |
| 18:42.21 | chops | enforcer_: You may have a legitimate bug, or your problem may be easy to fix -- but you're ignoring me when I'm asking you to do things that will help me tell what might be wrong. Good luck; I'm going to stop trying to help you now. |
| 18:42.33 | Haris | because its chown'ing everything under /var/lib/amavis to amavis |
| 18:42.43 | enforcer_ | maybe if I just restart x? |
| 18:42.45 | enforcer_ | xorg |
| 18:42.48 | Haris | which is going to take long since there's too! files in the virusmails/ folder :| |
| 18:42.51 | Haris | damn** |
| 18:43.01 | drwahl | chops: i think i know the problem. the window is off the edge of the screen (as per: Error in startup script: bad pad value "2m": must be positive screen distance) |
| 18:43.27 | lsec | valdyn: any file in general, gust some time ago had such question |
| 18:43.28 | chops | drwahl: So could it be a saved tk preference or something? |
| 18:43.32 | drwahl | chops: is that something that is stored in ~/.amsn or would that be stored in some DE log? |
| 18:43.40 | drwahl | chops: that is what i am thinking |
| 18:43.41 | lsec | valdyn: any file in general, gust some time ago had such question |
| 18:43.42 | chops | drwahl: Or window manager state? Hm |
| 18:43.51 | valdyn | lsec: files are not normally generated by packages, thats very special files |
| 18:43.52 | lsec | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.56 | chops | drwahl: That sounds like a bug in the window manager, if that's actually what's happening |
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| 18:44.10 | drwahl | enforcer_: restarting xorg shouldn't help it. |
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| 18:44.18 | chops | drwahl: amsn would be completely within its rights just to start up offscreen instead of showing any indication that something was wrong (which would be even more confusing) |
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| 18:44.52 | lsec | valdyn: thanks, I meant any file file in general |
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| 18:44.59 | valdyn | lsec: any file from a debian package ( not "generated" ) you will find the package with dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 18:45.03 | enforcer_ | JESUS CHRIST |
| 18:45.05 | drwahl | chops: might be. i know that in windows (sorry for the comparison) there is a "collect windows" button on something somwhere that has fixed this for me before. maybe there is something equivilent in kde/gnome/etc? |
| 18:45.07 | enforcer_ | that strace amsn |
| 18:45.11 | enforcer_ | went crazy |
| 18:45.20 | valdyn | enforcer_: no, it just did its job |
| 18:45.23 | lsec | valdyn: trying |
| 18:45.25 | enforcer_ | ynow what? |
| 18:45.30 | chops | drwahl: In Windows I do Alt-space, move, and then I hold the right arrow |
| 18:45.38 | enforcer_ | grr |
| 18:45.41 | enforcer_ | it's still fucked |
| 18:45.51 | chops | enforcer_: Just because you don't understand its output doesn't mean it's meaningless. It may be informative to the people here. |
| 18:46.14 | chops | enforcer_: strace did exactly what it was supposed to do; it displayed a great deal of detail about what the startup of amsn is doing exactly |
| 18:46.24 | enforcer_ | ok |
| 18:46.33 | enforcer_ | do you want me to paste all of that in pastebin? |
| 18:46.39 | lsec | valdyn: thanks again :), every day we kno smth new |
| 18:46.45 | chops | enforcer_: I do |
| 18:46.51 | enforcer_ | argh |
| 18:46.56 | enforcer_ | how to do this with nano |
| 18:47.03 | enforcer_ | I can't select and copy all can I? |
| 18:47.10 | enforcer_ | brb |
| 18:47.19 | drwahl | enforcer_: you can use '>' to output it to a file |
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| 18:47.27 | chops | enforcer_: There's also the pastebin pipe, /msg dpkg pastebin pipe |
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| 18:49.20 | enforcer_ | mad I fixed it |
| 18:49.25 | enforcer_ | I just restarted Xorg |
| 18:49.35 | enforcer_ | must have been a bug |
| 18:50.02 | drwahl | ooo... that paste2pastebin is fun! :) |
| 18:50.22 | chops | enforcer_: Nice |
| 18:50.42 | enforcer_ | so it was a bug? |
| 18:50.49 | drwahl | enforcer_: interesting... so Xorg wasnt' handling the window correctly and amsn freaked out. did you just CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to restart xorg? |
| 18:51.11 | enforcer_ | I went to xfce logout |
| 18:51.13 | chops | enforcer_: Hard to say without knowing anything else about what was going on |
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| 18:51.22 | krgn | hi |
| 18:51.31 | enforcer_ | how do I run a .run file |
| 18:51.32 | enforcer_ | it's a gam |
| 18:51.33 | enforcer_ | e |
| 18:51.43 | wols_ | set it executable |
| 18:51.45 | lsec | chmod +x *.run |
| 18:51.46 | drwahl | enforcer_: if you can recreate it, send a bug tracker (i just contact the devs) about the issue |
| 18:51.52 | lsec | then ./*.run |
| 18:51.52 | krgn | does anyone have a RME multiface sound card 'round here? |
| 18:51.53 | \amethyst | are you sure it's a game and not a trojan? |
| 18:52.06 | lsec | it is his problem :) |
| 18:52.21 | \amethyst | running random executables you downloaded from the web is the main reason Windows is so "insecure" |
| 18:52.34 | lsec | well it is rather secure to run an installer from a usual user, not root |
| 18:53.00 | \amethyst | lsec: sure, worst it can do is make a spam zombie that runs as an ordinary user. And delete your home directory |
| 18:53.07 | lsec | for example ut2k4, doom3 may be installed not from root |
| 18:53.29 | lsec | As I already said it is in the user's field of responsibility |
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| 18:54.15 | enforcer_ | it's Wolfenstein ET, 260mb |
| 18:54.16 | nocturn | How can you close a DVD on Linux? It was written on a DVD video recorder but it hung before finalizing the disc |
| 18:54.20 | enforcer_ | I don't think it's a virus |
| 18:54.27 | \amethyst | enforcer_: if you trust the place you got it from, go ahead. Just be aware that malware is possible in Linux |
| 18:54.40 | enforcer_ | Uncompressing Enemy Territory 2.60 Full Install......... |
| 18:54.46 | enforcer_ | fileplanet |
| 18:54.48 | enforcer_ | I got it from |
| 18:55.03 | lsec | nocturn if you really to want copy that data from disk you may try ~#cp /dev/<dvd_device> image.iso |
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| 18:57.01 | nocturn | lsec: thanks, but I need to finalize it, I cannot even read it on Linux without that |
| 18:57.12 | nocturn | lsec: it's a video DVD |
| 18:57.41 | lsec | nocturn: on which stage recording was interrupted? |
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| 18:58.05 | nocturn | right before it finalizes the disc |
| 18:58.17 | nocturn | So the data should be intact if I can just get it closed |
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| 19:00.46 | vy | Hi, all! After I upgraded my unstable box, wmaker shortcut bindings started to not work. It complains that "/usr/lib/WindowMaker/WindowMaker warning: WMRootMenu:invalid key in shortcut ..." Any ideas? |
| 19:00.58 | smultron | does RAID1 still run if one of the drives fails? or do you need RAID5 for that? |
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| 19:01.14 | Haris | Hello people |
| 19:01.28 | Haris | Where does lenny/sid keep amavis's config? |
| 19:01.52 | danand_ | nocturn - have you thought of using the dd command? |
| 19:01.53 | abrotman | /etc/ ? |
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| 19:01.59 | abrotman | smultron: yes |
| 19:02.11 | abrotman | erm .. yes .. RAID1 should keep going if one of the two fails |
| 19:02.19 | Haris | I commented $QUARANTINEDIR and set $QUARANTINEDIR = "undef" in /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults but its still storing virus infected mails in /var/lib/amavis/virusmails/ |
| 19:02.21 | jelly-home | /etc/amavis, even. Could be /etc/amavis/conf.d |
| 19:02.22 | smultron | abrotman: ah, cool. thanks :) |
| 19:02.23 | abrotman | or one of X |
| 19:02.24 | Matic | !sourceomatic |
| 19:02.32 | nocturn | danand_: yes, but would'n that give me an unclosed session too? |
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| 19:02.40 | abrotman | since you can have as many drives as you want in a RAID1 mirroring the same data |
| 19:03.02 | \amethyst | Haris: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/amavisd-new/filelist might be helpful (or dpkg -L amavisd-new ) |
| 19:03.03 | Haris | No idea, why its still storing mails, when I told it not to |
| 19:03.04 | jelly-home | Haris: you should NOT put undef in quotes, it's a Perl reserved word. amavis configuration is Perl code. |
| 19:03.14 | Haris | \amethyst: Nice |
| 19:03.16 | smultron | abrotman: oh yeah, thanks for the info |
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| 19:03.36 | John-Pine_ | hi |
| 19:03.38 | nocturn | danand_: just tried it, it reads 2048 bytes, then quits |
| 19:03.49 | John-Pine_ | does anyone knows in which package is ptrace? |
| 19:04.00 | Haris | I'm deleting 20 GB of stored virus mails, in uncountable ammount of files :| |
| 19:04.22 | danand_ | nocturn - :( |
| 19:04.24 | abrotman | !tell John-Pine_ about search |
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| 19:05.28 | jeward | What's the best pastebot for this channel? |
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| 19:05.45 | Maulkin | !pastebin |
| 19:05.45 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 19:05.47 | enforcer_ | whats up with this http://pastebin.com/m5a3fdedb |
| 19:05.55 | enforcer_ | im trying to run Wolfenstein ET |
| 19:06.25 | John-Pine_ | abrotman: thanks, i've already tried this |
| 19:06.31 | John-Pine_ | nothing comes out of it |
| 19:06.46 | Torchwood | i have a project on sourceforge that i'd like to be considered for inclusion in the debian family. how do i go about this ? |
| 19:07.09 | ktwilight | are dpkg information on installed packages stored in a flat file somewhere? |
| 19:07.15 | abrotman | John-Pine_: in etch ? |
| 19:07.23 | abrotman | ktwilight: which information ? |
| 19:07.29 | abrotman | !find ptrace etch |
| 19:07.44 | ktwilight | abrotman, as in dpkg -l * installed packages |
| 19:07.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ptrace' (7 of 35): (/usr/bin/ntptrace) in net/ntp ;; (/usr/sbin/moptrace) in net/mopd ;; (/usr/bin/tcptrace) in net/tcptrace ;; (/usr/bin/mptrace) in devel/mpatrolc2 ;; (/usr/bin/tcptraceroute6) in net/ndisc6 ;; (/usr/include/sys/ptrace.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/include/diet/sys/ptrace.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev. |
| 19:07.50 | enforcer_ | ? |
| 19:07.57 | abrotman | ktwilight: /var/lib/dpkg/status .. i think is what you want |
| 19:08.04 | abrotman | !find bin/ptrace$ etch |
| 19:08.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/ptrace' returned no results. |
| 19:08.14 | \amethyst | Torchwood: do you know much about debian packaging? |
| 19:08.18 | abrotman | John-Pine_: it is a binary? |
| 19:08.19 | enforcer_ | whats up with this http://pastebin.com/m5a3fdedb |
| 19:08.24 | abrotman | enforcer_: stop repeating |
| 19:08.30 | \amethyst | Torchwood: i.e. do you want to build the package yourself, or do you want to find a debian developer to do it for you? |
| 19:08.33 | Guerin | Torchwood: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 19:08.51 | \amethyst | Torchwood: if the latter, you can file a wishlist bug against the wnpp pseudo-package |
| 19:08.53 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 19:08.53 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 19:09.08 | \amethyst | Torchwood: but of course it's more helpful if you can (even preliminarily) package it yourself |
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| 19:09.27 | John-Pine_ | abrotman: i think i'm misunderstanding something.. i think ptrace is a function, and there's no binary for it |
| 19:09.31 | \amethyst | Torchwood: for that, see #debian-mentors on OFTC as was suggested, and read the new maintainer's guide |
| 19:09.32 | enforcer_ | abrotman, how can I fix it? |
| 19:09.35 | \amethyst | !n-m |
| 19:09.35 | \amethyst | !m-g |
| 19:09.38 | jeward | I've run into some dependancy problems on a sarge box: http://paste.lisp.org/display/56488 |
| 19:09.42 | Torchwood | \amethyst: well i make .debs and .tgz . and they seem to be like the others. so i'll go to that mentor channel and see what they make of it |
| 19:09.45 | jelly-home | John-Pine_: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:09.47 | \amethyst | !!maint-guide |
| 19:09.48 | jeward | Can someone help me get them ironed out? |
| 19:09.53 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 19:09.53 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 19:09.58 | Torchwood | Guerin: thanks i'll give that a go |
| 19:10.03 | Guerin | Torchwood: good luck. |
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| 19:10.40 | enforcer_ | abrotman, |
| 19:10.45 | Torchwood | Guerin: thanks. here's the package - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xspect/ |
| 19:11.03 | abrotman | enforcer_: stop repeating |
| 19:11.11 | enforcer_ | im not |
| 19:11.13 | abrotman | John-Pine_: oh .. sorry .. you want ptrace.h ? |
| 19:11.13 | ktwilight | abrotman, hm, a quick search looks like it's not. what i want is to know which packages are installed on the machine. i know i can do dpkg -l '*' | grep ii but is there a flat file that dpkg reads off? or...? reason is, am trying to recover the dpkg list from a backup i made |
| 19:11.27 | abrotman | the status |
| 19:12.07 | xingu | John-Pine_: strace and gdb are ptrace consumers. |
| 19:12.20 | abrotman | John-Pine_: libc6-dev .. i think it what you want |
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| 19:12.42 | \amethyst | Torchwood: how are you building your debs right now? |
| 19:13.07 | Torchwood | \amethyst: dpkg-deb -b |
| 19:13.21 | \amethyst | Torchwood: oh, so you have a source package... good |
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| 19:13.36 | \amethyst | Torchwood: you just need to find a mentor to check it and upload it for you, then |
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| 19:14.14 | lsec | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.57 | ktwilight | lsec, dpkg won't work 'cuz it's a copy of the system that is long dead. all i have is the dir structure and files |
| 19:15.24 | enforcer_ | anyone? |
| 19:15.27 | xingu | ktwilight: cd /usr/share/doc; ls # is a crude approach. |
| 19:15.33 | abrotman | ktwilight: the status has that |
| 19:15.42 | Guerin | ktwilight: you can get a rough list with ls /usr/share/doc/ |
| 19:15.58 | abrotman | erm .. i thought .. moment |
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| 19:16.11 | abrotman | yes .. the Status field |
| 19:16.20 | lsec | Guerin: are you sure that it will show all installed packages? I think it'll show the packages with man pages available |
| 19:16.23 | Guerin | xingu: stop stealing my brains! |
| 19:16.34 | abrotman | !installed |
| 19:16.35 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 19:16.39 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:16.47 | Guerin | lsec: no, all policy-compliant debian packages need that dir. manpages aren't stored there in any case. |
| 19:17.22 | ktwilight | abrotman, strange, 'cuz i've looked at status but it doesn't have the packages that i know it's installed on that system. either way, will hunt in /usr/share/doc |
| 19:17.22 | lsec | Guerin: I see.. |
| 19:17.22 | ktwilight | thanks Guerin and xingu |
| 19:17.22 | xingu | ktwilight: awk '/Package/ { pkg=$NF; getline; status=$NF; print pkg " " status }' </var/lib/dpkg/status # is an even cruder approach |
| 19:17.22 | xingu | ktwilight: but probably more accurate than ls |
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| 19:18.27 | ktwilight | xingu, not quite though. e.g. it lists xserver-xorg-* when in fact that system setup has no X |
| 19:18.46 | xingu | ktwilight: look at the status; if you're really lazy, wait 2s |
| 19:19.00 | ktwilight | i've looked at status :/ |
| 19:19.02 | Guerin | xingu: quite. |
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| 19:19.33 | xingu | ktwilight: awk '$1 == "Package:" { pkg=$NF; getline; if ($NF == "installed") { print pkg } }' </var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 19:20.24 | Enf0rc3r | http://pastebin.com/m5a3fdedb |
| 19:20.28 | xingu | everyone else: try not to barf on the obvious, undocumented wild assumption |
| 19:20.46 | ktwilight | xingu, again, /var/lib/dpkg/status doesn't truly register what's installed on the system, simply 'cuz i can see packages that weren't installed on that machine. |
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| 19:21.13 | xingu | ktwilight: replace /var/lib/dpkg/status with the _mounted_ system's path |
| 19:21.15 | wols_ | ktwilight: "see" how? |
| 19:21.15 | jelly-home | xingu: order of the headers? |
| 19:21.18 | xingu | ktwilight: ie, not the host |
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| 19:21.25 | xingu | !cookie jelly-home |
| 19:21.33 | xingu | bah |
| 19:21.38 | jelly-home | yay, an ellipsis! |
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| 19:21.45 | ktwilight | uh |
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| 19:23.43 | jelly-home | thanks. I'll now go and buy some palpable ones. |
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| 19:24.17 | Enf0rc3r | how can I get some script that makes aterm load with shaded transparency and borderless |
| 19:24.29 | jelly-home | Enf0rc3r: script? |
| 19:24.44 | Enf0rc3r | yeah like .Xdefaults |
| 19:25.10 | drwahl | Enf0rc3r: those are usually considered configs, not scripts |
| 19:25.13 | jelly-home | Enf0rc3r: for the transparency, use .Xdefaults or its command line options. For the border, use your wm or devilspie. |
| 19:25.25 | Enf0rc3r | what should I put in there? |
| 19:25.28 | jelly-home | where its = aterm's |
| 19:25.36 | Enf0rc3r | so when I click aterm in the xfce menu |
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| 19:25.57 | libertad | Someone know a good windows crackers page? |
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| 19:26.29 | jelly-home | Enf0rc3r: read in the manual about the aterm.tinting resource and play with it. |
| 19:26.30 | DawnLight | libparted: this isn't #warez |
| 19:26.32 | drwahl | http://windows.for.whitepeople.com ? (not a real link, do not load) |
| 19:26.42 | libertad | DawnLight: merci |
| 19:27.09 | jelly-home | Enf0rc3r: also, "tintingType", and possibly "transparent" |
| 19:27.12 | DawnLight | what, is there really such a channel? |
| 19:27.19 | abrotman | libertad: wrong channel .. go somewhere else |
| 19:27.43 | libertad | abrotman: What server will be better? |
| 19:27.48 | libertad | irc server |
| 19:27.50 | abrotman | libertad: no idea .. not this one .. go away |
| 19:28.21 | libertad | I'm thinking in make a keygen for a application |
| 19:28.21 | DawnLight | abrotman: did you ever visit #warez in freenode? |
| 19:28.28 | libertad | like softice |
| 19:28.38 | libertad | DawnLight: STFU |
| 19:28.38 | drwahl | libertad: you will not get much help here as this channel is for debian support |
| 19:28.40 | jelly-home | libertad: please stop now. |
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| 19:28.51 | John-Pine_ | libertad: what are u looking for exactly? |
| 19:29.08 | abrotman | John-Pine_: do not do that |
| 19:29.12 | libertad | John-Pine_: Debuger Software for to see the memory in runtime |
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| 19:29.30 | DawnLight | woot |
| 19:29.41 | wols_ | there is a #warez???? |
| 19:29.47 | DawnLight | there is |
| 19:29.51 | abrotman | i believe it's an autokline channel |
| 19:29.54 | wols_ | what do they serve? |
| 19:29.58 | John-Pine_ | what's the command to talk directly to a user? |
| 19:30.00 | wols_ | can I serve debian netinst images? |
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| 19:30.08 | DawnLight | see for your self |
| 19:30.10 | wols_ | John-Pine_: don't do it unless you ask first |
| 19:30.11 | libertad | I'm Sorry |
| 19:30.13 | drwahl | John-Pine_: /msg username message to them |
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| 19:30.35 | DawnLight | libertad: are you perhaps interested in free software? |
| 19:30.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: I believe it is not, just tried :-) |
| 19:30.46 | abrotman | oh .. hrm .. oh well |
| 19:30.51 | abrotman | should be :) |
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| 19:31.20 | jelly-home | it's a redrection to ##you've got to be kidding, s/\ /_/g |
| 19:31.31 | libertad | DawnLight: Sure, but I'm using a software printer avec private software :) |
| 19:31.33 | loslalfos | i think it's about whereis instead of warez ;) |
| 19:31.34 | wols_ | abrotman: DawnLight mislead me! |
| 19:31.46 | DawnLight | muahaha |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | libertad: do you have a question about Debian or not? |
| 19:32.14 | DawnLight | libertad: perhaps there is a free alternative to that |
| 19:32.30 | DawnLight | abrotman: i'm trying to help him |
| 19:32.31 | libertad | DawnLight: the driver is non free |
| 19:32.41 | DawnLight | libertad: what printer is that? |
| 19:32.55 | abrotman | DawnLight: with which version of Debian are oyu helping him? |
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| 19:33.17 | DawnLight | abrotman: with etch, should he choose to install it |
| 19:33.19 | libertad | DawnLight: SP-Driver model |
| 19:33.23 | abrotman | DawnLight: msg him .. |
| 19:33.25 | libertad | DawnLight: CP-Driver model |
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| 19:34.16 | DawnLight | abrotman: i am trying to interest him in debian and see if it can solve his problem. is that off-topic? |
| 19:34.41 | DawnLight | libertad: what kind of printer is that? what's the printer's model? |
| 19:34.41 | abrotman | DawnLight: so ask him if he wants to install debian .. don't be so vague |
| 19:34.49 | wols_ | xingu: pah! I already run sid! |
| 19:35.00 | libertad | DawnLight: CP-Driver model |
| 19:35.15 | wols_ | CP driver model is meaningless babble |
| 19:35.22 | wols_ | libertad: what OS are you currently running? |
| 19:35.36 | libertad | DawnLight: Alone there is one for that software |
| 19:35.51 | libertad | wols_: The printer drivers's only avalaible for Win32 |
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| 19:36.30 | wols_ | answer my question please: what OS are you RUNNING? |
| 19:36.41 | abrotman | or need help with |
| 19:36.47 | DawnLight | libertad: that doesn't sound like a printer model |
| 19:37.01 | libertad | wols_: Microsoft Windows XP SP2 Spanish Version |
| 19:37.02 | wols_ | DawnLight: stop that printer talk please until he answers our question |
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| 19:37.20 | DawnLight | i don't get you two |
| 19:37.22 | wols_ | libertad: either install debian or go away. this is a debian linux only channel. have a nice day |
| 19:37.30 | abrotman | libertad: do you have any interest in using Debian ? |
| 19:37.32 | libertad | wols_: The printer drivers's only avalaible for Win32 |
| 19:37.34 | abrotman | libertad: do you have any interest in using Debian ? |
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| 19:37.36 | libertad | wols_: The printer drivers's only avalaible for Win32 |
| 19:37.41 | wols_ | DawnLight: people need to want to run debian. he doesn't he wants to crack windows software |
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| 19:37.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200.62.23.36] by abrotman |
| 19:37.46 | wols_ | libertad: stop that or you get banned |
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| 19:38.03 | \amethyst | why would you want a keygen for staroffice anyway? |
| 19:38.07 | \amethyst | isn't OOo good enough? |
| 19:38.19 | abrotman | libertad: This channel is for Debian support. Your ban will be there for 10 minutes. When it is removed, please limit your discussion to Debian. |
| 19:38.19 | Haris | well |
| 19:38.25 | wols_ | to damage sun! I'm sponsored by MS |
| 19:38.33 | Haris | oo is not as good as ms word, the last time I used it |
| 19:38.35 | Haris | but that's me |
| 19:38.36 | wols_ | every used keygen is a lost sale for Sun muhaahaha |
| 19:38.36 | \amethyst | grep -Ev '^(word1|word2|word3)' would be the compatible way (or egrep -v) |
| 19:38.37 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:38.39 | Haris | was+ |
| 19:38.48 | xingu | wols_: that, and it unlocks the .csv support |
| 19:39.10 | wols_ | xingu: use the windows version of OOo. it has CSV support. I know I used it before :) |
| 19:39.21 | xingu | aah, that's where I'm going wrong |
| 19:39.34 | xingu | wols_++, he's l33+ |
| 19:39.41 | wols_ | better support than that excel97 I had |
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| 19:50.15 | Matic`Makovec | !source-o-matic |
| 19:50.47 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: what are you looking for? |
| 19:51.03 | Matic`Makovec | A source-o-matic URL for a friend since he's having troubles with some mirriors |
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| 19:51.13 | abrotman | in debian or ubuntu? |
| 19:51.14 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 19:51.14 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 19:51.21 | Enf0rc3r | http://pastebin.com/m5a3fdedb |
| 19:51.26 | Enf0rc3r | how do I fix this? |
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| 19:51.43 | Matic`Makovec | Alright, I'll post him that, thanks abrotman |
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| 19:51.54 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: or he could just come in here and ask us |
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| 19:52.02 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: if it's for Ubuntu .. don't use those URLs |
| 19:52.06 | Matic`Makovec | I know that... |
| 19:52.09 | Matic`Makovec | No, it isn't |
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| 19:52.12 | chops | Enf0rc3r: What is that the output of? |
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| 19:52.19 | abrotman | Matic`Makovec: also .. /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:52.25 | abrotman | chops: a game that isn't in debian |
| 19:52.49 | Enf0rc3r | Wolfenstein Enemey Territory |
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| 19:52.57 | Enf0rc3r | I get that when I run it in terminal |
| 19:53.16 | WarBird__ | hey, can anyone help me out with making a .deb? |
| 19:53.32 | chops | Enf0rc3r: You'll have to contact them for support, then... you might try to run GL-using apps that are in Debian (e.g. glxgears, tuxracer), and if one of them has a similar problem then you can debug _that_ problem and hope it helps with W:ET |
| 19:54.18 | chops | Enf0rc3r: "Couldn't create font" sounds related to the problem, but I'm not sure what might be the underlying cause. You could try strace and see if there's any enlightenment there. |
| 19:54.49 | WarBird__ | actually, ive made it, using checkinstall, but when i uninstall it, it tries to remove some directories it shouldnt, so i need help defining what to remove during uninstall |
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| 19:56.35 | xingu | Enf0rc3r: two seconds and google says you're probably running amd64 and trying to run a 32bit OGL binary |
| 19:57.54 | Enf0rc3r | no |
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| 19:58.27 | Enf0rc3r | System Information for xtc: CPU: GenuineIntel Pentium III (Coppermine)797.994 MHz, 256 KB Cache RAM: 386 MB HDD: 60 GB OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.18-6-686 Uptime: 06:58:39 up 2:13, 3 users, load average: 1.85, 1.60, 1.49 |
| 19:59.07 | ThibG | Hi! I'm trying to install debian testing (from a DVD). But it has been stuck at dhcp3-common for several minutes |
| 19:59.30 | abrotman | ThibG: most people install etch and then go to lenny |
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| 19:59.47 | pepve | Recently, my /etc/mtab stopped being updated when something was unmounted (new mounts are still added), resulting in weird outputs from df (and of course, incorrect ones from mount). Is there a fix for this or should i just symlink /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts? |
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| 20:00.04 | xingu | Enf0rc3r: "glxinfo | grep direct" says... ? |
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| 20:00.28 | ThibG | yes, I know, but it's quite strange... I already installed testing several times from this DVD (on different computers), and this time, it doesn't work... |
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| 20:04.06 | laetze | need help with configuring a package, i need to pass on some options but how can i do this with apt or dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 20:05.38 | drwahl | how does one go about finding how much ram is in a system? in df i see /dev/shm as 1.5gb, is that the ammount of ram? |
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| 20:05.53 | pepve | drfont, man free |
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| 20:06.00 | pepve | drwahl, that is |
| 20:06.04 | drwahl | got it |
| 20:06.05 | drwahl | thanks |
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| 20:07.08 | drwahl | so in free, i see "mem: 3090576". that is 3GB, right? |
| 20:07.22 | abrotman | laetze: configuring it in what way ? |
| 20:07.26 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 20:07.26 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 20:07.30 | pepve | depends on the switch you used, really |
| 20:07.31 | drwahl | err, i guess 2 gb |
| 20:07.44 | NetEcho | :D everything is finnaly working perfectly |
| 20:07.49 | drwahl | ya, i got the hang of it now. |
| 20:08.31 | drwahl | ok, so what is /dev/shm used for? |
| 20:08.44 | laetze | abrotman i've installed apache2-mpm-prefork by using apt now i forgot to add the option --with-ldap how can i do that |
| 20:08.44 | drwahl | i thought that was shared mem for swap |
| 20:08.50 | Enf0rc3r | xingu, $ glxinfo | grep direct |
| 20:08.51 | Enf0rc3r | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 20:09.00 | abrotman | laetze: you want to use ldap auth with apache ? |
| 20:09.07 | abrotman | !glxinfo |
| 20:09.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, glxinfo is a useful program, especially when debugging dri/glx stuff found in xbase-clients |
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| 20:09.15 | pepve | drwahl, it's an in-memory block device, iirc |
| 20:09.23 | laetze | abrotman yes |
| 20:09.37 | abrotman | laetze: apt-cache search apache ldap .. see if it's a packaged module |
| 20:09.44 | Enf0rc3r | ? |
| 20:09.47 | Enf0rc3r | I don't understand that |
| 20:09.50 | Enf0rc3r | how do I use it? |
| 20:09.55 | abrotman | !glxinfo is also now in mesa-utils |
| 20:09.55 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 20:10.01 | drwahl | Enf0rc3r: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 20:10.05 | NetEcho | when debian installs a SMP kernel does that mean the CPU is dual core or something else? |
| 20:10.08 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 20:10.13 | valdyn | !shm |
| 20:10.13 | dpkg | i guess shm is simple harmonic motion, avoid at all costs, or known as mit-shm (ask me about it ...) |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | NetEcho: all debian kernels are SMP now |
| 20:10.21 | NetEcho | ah ok |
| 20:10.27 | NetEcho | so just incase the cpu supports it? |
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| 20:10.50 | pepve | simple harmonic motion? wtf? |
| 20:10.53 | NetEcho | http://www.blacklightfury.com/sysinfo/ :D |
| 20:10.59 | Enf0rc3r | direct rendering: Yes |
| 20:11.33 | drwahl | NetEcho: that is neat. is that a script that i could grab from somewhere? or a custom thing? |
| 20:11.59 | NetEcho | drwahl I'll get you the url |
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| 20:12.11 | NetEcho | drwahl: http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | drwahl: it's phpsysinfo |
| 20:12.23 | drwahl | sweet. i will have to play with that :) |
| 20:12.52 | laetze | abrotman got it thanks its libapache2-webauth - Apache 2 modules for WebAuth authentication never thought of looking for that thanks again |
| 20:13.08 | NetEcho | drwahl takes about 2 secs to configure and run |
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| 20:13.17 | NetEcho | I suggest apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 20:13.19 | xingu | Enf0rc3r: glxinfo | grep renderer ? |
| 20:13.26 | NetEcho | and use lmsensors for the motherboard monitor |
| 20:14.12 | gordonjcp | join #c |
| 20:14.14 | gordonjcp | bah |
| 20:14.27 | Enf0rc3r | OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9200 Series DDR Generic |
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| 20:14.52 | Enf0rc3r | when I load ppracer it freezes |
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| 20:15.04 | Enf0rc3r | I done strace ppracer still same result |
| 20:15.35 | xingu | Enf0rc3r: in that case that's me out; the good news is your open gl is responding to basic things like a request for a renderer string |
| 20:15.57 | xingu | Enf0rc3r: the bad news is that your initial problem report has "GL_RENDERER: (null)" which looks sick. |
| 20:16.33 | Enf0rc3r | how can I fix this? |
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| 20:16.47 | xingu | Enf0rc3r: I'd guess at an installation fault, but I'm not an ati guy |
| 20:17.20 | Enf0rc3r | I used the ati oneliner |
| 20:17.43 | Enf0rc3r | brb |
| 20:17.43 | xingu | Enf0rc3r: does glxgears behave itself? |
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| 20:18.05 | Enf0rc3r | yep |
| 20:18.07 | Enf0rc3r | works wine |
| 20:18.20 | Enf0rc3r | fine* |
| 20:18.24 | Enf0rc3r | brb |
| 20:20.10 | pepve | Recently, my /etc/mtab stopped being updated when something was unmounted (new mounts are still added), resulting in weird outputs from df (and of course, incorrect ones from mount). Is there a fix for this or should i just symlink /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts? |
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| 20:21.47 | valdyn | pepve: did you try to follow where mount failes doing the update ( strace.. ) |
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| 20:22.06 | guitar_brasi1 | hi all |
| 20:22.14 | pepve | valdyn, i hoped i didn't have to :) |
| 20:22.24 | chops | pepve: You should not symlink /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts, the formats are different |
| 20:22.42 | pepve | hmm, okay |
| 20:22.42 | guitar_brasi1 | where do I get the unstables repositories ?: |
| 20:22.55 | drwahl | ok, im trying to get that phpsysinfo working, and it says i need php5.2 or better. but... http://pastebin.com/m3a721111 |
| 20:23.00 | chops | pepve: Better to find out why mount is not updating /etc/mtab and fix that (and/or file a bug if it's Debian's fault) |
| 20:23.02 | abrotman | NetEcho: i'm not sure i'd leave that at such a simple URL .. but up to you |
| 20:23.13 | valdyn | drwahl: you should "aptitude install phpsysinfo" |
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| 20:23.29 | guitar_brasi1 | I cannot get my 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) working |
| 20:23.43 | Torchwood | \amethyst: i've submitted a RFP against wnpp by email, so i guess i just wait and see what happens ... |
| 20:23.44 | pepve | chops, well, I'll be reading some strace output then |
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| 20:23.48 | wols_ | try a newer kernel/newer alsa |
| 20:23.51 | drwahl | valdyn: i already did apt-get install phpsysinfo |
| 20:23.53 | wols_ | guitar_brasi1: try a newer kernel/newer alsa |
| 20:23.55 | chops | pepve: Everybody loves strace output :-) |
| 20:24.04 | pepve | heh :) |
| 20:24.09 | NetEcho | abrotman its not really a production environment |
| 20:24.10 | valdyn | !depends phpsysinfo etch |
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| 20:24.15 | abrotman | NetEcho: okay .. up to you |
| 20:24.17 | wols_ | chops: like a mouthful of rusty nails |
| 20:24.17 | valdyn | drwahl: on which debian release? |
| 20:24.19 | guitar_brasi1 | wols_: I need to know the testing repositóries |
| 20:24.21 | drwahl | lenny/sid |
| 20:24.27 | NetEcho | abrotman yea I can see how it'd pose a risk |
| 20:24.28 | dpkg | phpsysinfo: depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, apache | httpd, php4 | php4-cgi | libapache-mod-php4 | libapache2-mod-php4 | php5 | php5-cgi | libapache-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5, ucf (>= 0.8), debianutils (>= 1.6) |
| 20:24.31 | Torchwood | strace -eopen skype 2> SKYPE_TRAWLING is very revealing |
| 20:24.31 | abrotman | !tell guitar_brasi1 about etch->lenny |
| 20:24.32 | wols_ | or a sunday in #debian |
| 20:24.34 | wols_ | guitar_brasi1: why? |
| 20:24.40 | NetEcho | drwahl just extract the .tar.gz and edit config.php.new |
| 20:24.43 | wols_ | guitar_brasi1: what are you running right now? |
| 20:24.52 | valdyn | NetEcho: wth? |
| 20:24.58 | wols_ | abrotman: bpo would've been better |
| 20:25.00 | NetEcho | valdyn phpsysinfo is just a config.php script |
| 20:25.09 | valdyn | drwahl: you are using sids phpsysinfo while your php is lenny? |
| 20:25.09 | NetEcho | no compiling necesary |
| 20:25.12 | abrotman | wols_: still only has 1.15 last i knew |
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| 20:25.25 | chops | Torchwood: connect(4, &anything_and_everything_everywhere, sizeof(anything_and_everything_everywhere)) |
| 20:25.27 | NetEcho | I just downloaded the archive and installed it and edited the config took 2 secs |
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| 20:25.52 | drwahl | i have phpsysinfo installed. the issue is that apache doesnt have the php5 module loaded. but when i try to get libapache-mod-php5, it complains |
| 20:25.53 | abrotman | wols_: be my guest .. coach him along :) |
| 20:26.00 | wols_ | is skype "encrypted" under linux as well as it is under windows? |
| 20:26.04 | wols_ | same anti debugger tricks? |
| 20:26.07 | valdyn | drwahl: complains about what? |
| 20:26.12 | Torchwood | chops: i did it and got 179 files it had no right to be reading. i never liked skype anyways :) |
| 20:26.14 | guitar_brasi1 | alsa-base 1.0.15-4 wols_ |
| 20:26.20 | chops | Torchwood: Heh |
| 20:26.23 | valdyn | drwahl: maybe you really need libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 20:26.24 | wols_ | abrotman: you already poisned his mind with lenny. your honor now :) |
| 20:26.24 | drwahl | that pastebin i showed you |
| 20:26.31 | drwahl | i dont have apache2 |
| 20:26.35 | valdyn | drwahl: ok |
| 20:26.35 | drwahl | i have apache |
| 20:26.41 | NetEcho | drwahl I can help you with this |
| 20:26.41 | chops | Torchwood: That's one that might be good to run the Windows version of under wine... |
| 20:26.49 | NetEcho | I just got everything working last night |
| 20:26.52 | NetEcho | mind if I pm you? |
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| 20:27.05 | nogglist | hi |
| 20:27.12 | nogglist | any recommend a decent tv card? |
| 20:27.30 | NetEcho | nogglist you may wanna try ##hardware |
| 20:28.06 | valdyn | drwahl: your php5 is lennies while your libapache2-mod-php5 you are trying to install is from sid |
| 20:28.06 | NetEcho | drwahl mind if I pm you? |
| 20:28.09 | drwahl | NetEcho: http://drwahl.ath.cx/sysinfo is my webby |
| 20:28.18 | drwahl | NetEcho: go ahead |
| 20:28.29 | chops | nogglist: I had good luck with a Hauppague card |
| 20:28.33 | chops | nogglist: (sp) |
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| 20:29.02 | valdyn | drwahl: apt-get -t sid libapache-mod-php5 might fix this, you probably use pinning |
| 20:29.04 | chemist | is there a debian arm channel on freenode? |
| 20:29.11 | abrotman | !arm |
| 20:29.11 | dpkg | hmm... arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
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| 20:29.40 | valdyn | drwahl: apt-get -t sid install blah even |
| 20:29.49 | biz | Is there a lightweight and secure alternative to the bind9 nameserver? |
| 20:29.55 | abrotman | bind9 |
| 20:30.00 | Torchwood | chops: it's a real hassle wetting up a mic stand with the cable into my mixing desk, and getting the levels right. so i'm gonna give (commercial) voip a miss, at least until i convince myself to buy a cheapo headset |
| 20:30.00 | drwahl | valdyn: i will try that |
| 20:30.04 | valdyn | bind9 isnt light? |
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| 20:30.11 | abrotman | valdyn: it takes like .. 600K! |
| 20:30.17 | simonrvn | compared to some, no |
| 20:30.20 | valdyn | ok, thats to huge |
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| 20:30.35 | abrotman | no .. it doesnt' even |
| 20:30.41 | simonrvn | 42608 virt |
| 20:30.49 | valdyn | i _really_ dont do alot with bind, but all alternatives failed one way or another doing that little |
| 20:30.56 | abrotman | guess it depends how many domains you reference |
| 20:31.03 | guitar_brasi1 | thank you guys |
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| 20:31.06 | simonrvn | 2 + caching |
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| 20:31.40 | biz | simonrvn: so what else could you suggest? It's exactly the same setup you've mentioned |
| 20:31.45 | abrotman | valdyn: i was way overguessing |
| 20:32.12 | abrotman | biz: how much VIRT is your named takign ? |
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| 20:32.27 | simonrvn | i'm using bind9 =). there's maradns, djb's thingy, dnsmasq which is caching only iirc |
| 20:32.28 | hughw | hi |
| 20:32.44 | abrotman | mine is less than half of simonrvn's |
| 20:32.49 | hughw | is there an installer package for the flash plugin for iceweasel? |
| 20:32.54 | hughw | !flash |
| 20:32.55 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:32.58 | biz | abrotman: I've not started using bind for this environment, I'm just preparing :) |
| 20:33.09 | valdyn | pdns, totd |
| 20:33.14 | abrotman | biz: on one of my systems here it's using 20,000 virt |
| 20:33.20 | simonrvn | oh yeh, forgot about that |
| 20:33.27 | hughw | !adobe flash |
| 20:33.27 | dpkg | Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>. |
| 20:33.31 | godling | I'd like to install the jdk on amd64. Is there a howto or relevant factoid? |
| 20:33.36 | abrotman | hughw: /msg dpkg foo |
| 20:33.39 | biz | Thanks for the infos. |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | godling: on etch ? |
| 20:33.43 | hughw | thx abrotman |
| 20:33.49 | valdyn | godling: apt-get install sun-java5-jdk |
| 20:33.50 | abrotman | hughw: no .. thank you |
| 20:33.52 | godling | sorry, on sid |
| 20:34.03 | hughw | !gnash |
| 20:34.04 | dpkg | gnash is, like, a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 20:34.04 | valdyn | godling: same thing in sid |
| 20:34.10 | abrotman | hughw: MSG THE BOT |
| 20:34.16 | hughw | ok ok |
| 20:34.39 | godling | valdyn: That package doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:34.41 | nogglist | NetEcho: thanks |
| 20:34.47 | nogglist | chops: thanks |
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| 20:34.49 | abrotman | valdyn: he's amd64 |
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| 20:35.12 | valdyn | abrotman: he really meant "java plugin", not "jdk" ? |
| 20:35.16 | godling | no |
| 20:35.17 | godling | I meant jdk |
| 20:35.24 | godling | I want the java compiler, valdyn. :) |
| 20:35.28 | valdyn | godling: its in non-free |
| 20:35.45 | valdyn | !info sun-java5-jdk |
| 20:35.47 | chops | simonrvn: What's it do with %SEARCH%? :-) |
| 20:35.56 | godling | valdyn: I have installed that, and it does not work. |
| 20:36.07 | valdyn | godling: what does that mean "it doesnt work" ? |
| 20:36.12 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-14-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4932 kB, Installed size: 11452 kB |
| 20:36.23 | simonrvn | chops: i haven't done that yet ;). (nothing in the default one) |
| 20:36.25 | godling | "could not reserve enough space for code cache" whenever I run javac, even javac -v |
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| 20:36.43 | Luria | ok, im having problems with "64 studio." i know, wrong channel, but the proper channel is dead, it's essentially etch+realtime+sound apps, and i think this is a debian issue... i just need some leads/pointers |
| 20:36.46 | valdyn | godling: so you dont have enough space? |
| 20:36.54 | abrotman | Luria: go back there and wait ... |
| 20:36.59 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 20:36.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:37.00 | godling | valdyn: I don't know. That's why I came in here to ask for help. :) |
| 20:37.09 | godling | What does it mean by not enough space? |
| 20:37.10 | valdyn | godling: paste the output of "df" on a paste site |
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| 20:37.31 | wols_ | sounds more like a memory issue that java thing |
| 20:38.09 | godling | !paste |
| 20:38.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 20:38.43 | valdyn | Luria: just ask the question, we'll see if debian help will cover it |
| 20:38.44 | Supaplex | wols_: granpappy has those all the time ;) |
| 20:39.06 | godling | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/7yT9ex64.html |
| 20:39.21 | chops | Wow... switching to the anticipatory scheduler for my RAID-5 array changes simultaneous read/write speed from 0.1/40 MB per second to around 20/20 MB per second |
| 20:39.31 | Luria | ok, the livecd works, but the install dvd hangs on "io scheduler cfq registered" |
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| 20:39.36 | Luria | amd64, btw |
| 20:39.47 | chops | (0.1/40 MB per second is with the default scheduler, "read" is find . -type f | xargs cat, "write" is dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile) |
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| 20:40.25 | godling | godling: If it was referring to hd space, I have plenty. I don't think it's referring to that, though. |
| 20:40.26 | Supaplex | Luria: try a debian amd64 netinst :) |
| 20:40.33 | Luria | i just would like to know what causes that type of error in general |
| 20:40.36 | godling | s/godling/valdyn |
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| 20:40.49 | valdyn | chops: its on the lkml discussed plenty that read can starve writes or vice versa |
| 20:40.57 | Supaplex | Luria: if general is vague, then technology is the answer. |
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| 20:41.19 | Luria | Supaplex, thats the next idea, cause i can essentially apt-get 64 studio, but id rather use the image |
| 20:41.19 | chops | valdyn: Hm... now the writes are starving the reads again, even with anticipatory :-( |
| 20:41.56 | chops | valdyn: I'd expect it to be worse with RAID5, but even so that ratio seems surprising |
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| 20:42.17 | godling | so, any ideas? |
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| 20:42.51 | Supaplex | Luria: it might have something to do with dma settings on the drive. poke around the web to see how you get at the log messages hiding under the hood. if they have an 'expert mode' like ours, you can walk slower through each step to isolate it a little further. |
| 20:43.06 | valdyn | chops: i dont know how much java will need, but your 350M in /tmp is very few |
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| 20:43.16 | valdyn | chops: i dont know where its actually failing though |
| 20:43.22 | chops | valdyn: You mean godling |
| 20:43.29 | valdyn | chops: yea, sorry |
| 20:43.33 | valdyn | godling: ^^^ |
| 20:43.39 | Luria | Supaplex, thanks. |
| 20:43.45 | drwahl | i did 'apt-get install apache2' and it did not stick anything in /etc/apache2 (like the configs). how do i get those back? |
| 20:43.53 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 20:43.54 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 20:44.29 | abrotman | drwahl: apache2.2-common |
| 20:44.38 | godling | thanks for the help |
| 20:44.47 | chops | drwahl: BTW, the packagename for that line is probably apapche2.2-common, not apache2, as abrotman said while I was busy typing words :-) |
| 20:44.48 | lsec | Can someone advice an idea of a simple C++ program (task for the current term in University). I'd like it to be useful, so asking you :) |
| 20:45.08 | abrotman | lsec: ask ##c++ |
| 20:45.21 | drwahl | ok |
| 20:45.36 | chops | lsec: I did a chess-playing program; it was a lot of fun (and it's nice because once you have the basic functionality, there's no "it's not done yet"; you just keep working on making it play better) |
| 20:46.10 | lsec | abrotman: yeah I know it's better to ask there, but Debian is a primary platform |
| 20:46.26 | abrotman | lsec: this is to support the OS .. not your class |
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| 20:46.40 | lsec | abrotman, sorry then |
| 20:46.48 | helo | surely there is some debian-specific c++ app he could write ;) |
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| 20:46.49 | Supaplex | chops: gnu chess! if you're very bored (like wanting reboot your machine after you try this, type of bordem), let gnu chess play it itself for a few minutes. |
| 20:46.54 | Luria | huh. noapic seems to have worked. |
| 20:47.19 | Supaplex | Luria: how'd you figure out to try noapic? |
| 20:47.24 | chops | Supaplex: GNU chess actually gave me some good ideas for my program, once I started "cheating" and referring to it to get ideas for board evaluation heuristics |
| 20:47.34 | Supaplex | haha cool |
| 20:47.46 | Supaplex | chops: have you ever let it play itself? :) |
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| 20:48.47 | chops | Supaplex: Basically the lesson is: Give up on elegance. Pile up the dumb heuristics (no doubled pawns, no backwards pawns, rooks on open files are good, moving your king in the opening is bad, etc.) until they form a quivering, towering heap, and then tune them a little and keep adding more. :-) |
| 20:49.14 | Luria | like, i said, the install is essentially etch, so i did acpi=off and noapic which is a typical fallback thing. couldnt hurt. |
| 20:49.44 | chops | Supaplex: That and a little search optimization. Voila, chess engine. |
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| 20:49.58 | enforcer_ | hey I got that amsn problem again |
| 20:50.00 | enforcer_ | I can't fixied it |
| 20:50.49 | chops | enforcer_: You can file a bug against amsn -- someone guessed that it might be a WM bug, but anyway the amsn maintainer may be able to route it appropriately. |
| 20:51.14 | chops | enforcer_: If you've blown away your config and purged and reinstalled amsn, then it's likely not anything specific to what you're doing. |
| 20:51.16 | enforcer_ | ? |
| 20:51.34 | chops | enforcer_: Are you surprised that software has bugs sometimes? :-) |
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| 20:51.40 | enforcer_ | I don't get why the settings stay there |
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| 20:51.57 | chops | enforcer_: It may be stored in your window manager's state because of something buggy that it's doing |
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| 20:52.14 | chops | enforcer_: Or it may be a bug in amsn that keeps happening in its freshly created settings |
| 20:52.39 | enforcer_ | if it's stored in my wm's state, how do I get rid of it? |
| 20:52.47 | chops | enforcer_: You could do what I asked you to do several times, and pastebin the session where you're blowing away your settings and reinstalling the program, so we can look at it and tell you if you're doing anything wrong. Or you could keep complaining and see how it works out for you... |
| 20:53.01 | enforcer_ | it doesn't show anything dude |
| 20:53.05 | enforcer_ | theres nothing to see |
| 20:53.16 | enforcer_ | just looks normal |
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| 20:53.43 | enforcer_ | I might just download the latest source version |
| 20:53.46 | enforcer_ | and compile that |
| 20:53.51 | enforcer_ | stuff this pkg shit |
| 20:54.00 | abrotman | enforcer_: did you even check the BTS? |
| 20:54.12 | enforcer_ | whats a BTS? |
| 20:54.19 | abrotman | enforcer_: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:54.35 | abrotman | enforcer_: or ... dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us |
| 20:54.59 | enforcer_ | latest |
| 20:55.02 | abrotman | enforcer_: or ... dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us |
| 20:55.19 | chops | abrotman: He doesn't like providing information... |
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| 20:55.32 | enforcer_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:55.41 | abrotman | enforcer_: bugs.debian.org/amsn |
| 20:55.49 | chops | !bts |
| 20:55.49 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 20:55.56 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi all. What do I do if mount /dev/hda1 says it can't find hda1 in fstab? |
| 20:56.07 | enforcer_ | ? |
| 20:56.11 | enforcer_ | whats that gonna do? |
| 20:56.13 | enforcer_ | that wont fix it |
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| 20:56.15 | enforcer_ | will it? |
| 20:56.15 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: you either put it in or you become root and mount it then |
| 20:56.16 | Torchwood | Dave_is_sexy: add an appropriate entry |
| 20:56.17 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: Put /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab, or specify the place to mount it (mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk) |
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| 20:56.32 | abrotman | enforcer_: you won't know until you look will you? |
| 20:57.09 | Dave_is_sexy | thanks all. will try chops' first |
| 20:57.22 | Dave_is_sexy | (terminal only, so trying to do as little as possible) |
| 20:57.35 | pepve | Dave_is_sexy, and read 'man mount', 'man fstab', etc. ;) |
| 20:57.56 | enforcer_ | I don't understand what your asking me to do? |
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| 20:58.01 | enforcer_ | you are confusing me |
| 20:58.11 | abrotman | i'm asking you to go look for your damn bug .. |
| 20:58.20 | abrotman | it might already exist .. and there might be a fix |
| 20:58.33 | AwesomeGuy | if i have a partiyion using fat32, can debian mount it? |
| 20:58.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:58.37 | AwesomeGuy | * partition |
| 20:58.43 | wols_ | AwesomeGuy: yes |
| 20:58.54 | AwesomeGuy | wel if i try it sais 'unknown fs 'fat32' |
| 20:58.57 | abrotman | vfat |
| 20:59.05 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: man mount |
| 20:59.17 | AwesomeGuy | I know how to use mount |
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| 20:59.35 | abrotman | so go read the man page .. learn how to mount a fat32 partition |
| 20:59.39 | chops | AwesomeGuy: It's called 'vfat' |
| 20:59.42 | simonrvn | apparently not |
| 20:59.43 | wols_ | AwesomeGuy: then why do you ask such qestions. does not compute |
| 20:59.48 | Dave_is_sexy | ok.... apparently sudo is not found, and there's no rot account, and i don't have a gui :( |
| 21:00.04 | wols_ | !tell Dave_is_sexy about installit |
| 21:00.04 | lsec | Dave_is_sexy: apt-get install sudo |
| 21:00.06 | Saar | mount -t vdense /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk |
| 21:00.08 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: Without root access of any kind, it's hard to mount... |
| 21:00.16 | simonrvn | it's called root |
| 21:00.17 | wols_ | but installing sudo won't help without having root |
| 21:00.23 | Dave_is_sexy | yes. this root thing gets me a lot on new installs |
| 21:00.30 | Dave_is_sexy | oh. dammit |
| 21:00.31 | lsec | ]yes, but what about su? |
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| 21:00.39 | simonrvn | yeh, ubuntu installs will do that |
| 21:00.41 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: debian asked you to create a root pw on install |
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| 21:00.57 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: you don't need sudo |
| 21:01.00 | Dave_is_sexy | sorry, pidgin bugs |
| 21:01.06 | simonrvn | yeh, ubuntu installs will do that |
| 21:01.30 | drwahl | ok, i have apache2 installed, php5 install, libapache-mod-php5 installed, then ran a2enmod php5 and it said already loaded, i restarted apache, and when i try to click on a link with php, it tries to have me download with (which afaik means that the module is not loaded). where did i go wrong here? |
| 21:01.34 | Saar | ubuntu is stupid, it wont give you a root password by default |
| 21:01.43 | Saar | so you have to fix that manually |
| 21:01.50 | enforcer_ | ok |
| 21:01.56 | enforcer_ | I got those 3 files, now what? |
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| 21:03.16 | pepve | drwahl, it doesn't mean the module is not loaded, it means the file is not recognized as something to be parsed by the module (but of course, the module might not have been loaded, also) |
| 21:03.20 | pepve | drwahl, read the logs? |
| 21:03.32 | pepve | drwahl, read the config files? |
| 21:03.34 | drwahl | pepve: i will start there. |
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| 21:04.46 | Dave_is_sexy | ok.. /mnt/hda1 does not exist (dont make it automatically or anything). so, presumably there;s something like 'mk' for make? |
| 21:05.06 | enforcer_ | it's asking if the bug is listed above.... no? |
| 21:05.07 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: man mkdir |
| 21:05.12 | Dave_is_sexy | :) |
| 21:05.18 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: Why do you believe /dev/hda1 should exist? |
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| 21:05.31 | enforcer_ | chops, |
| 21:05.36 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: Oh, /mnt/hda1 -- I see. Yes, mkdir. |
| 21:05.38 | danand_ | Saar - ubuntu doesnt have a root account for good reasons. see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo. most importantly most ubuntu users are relative newcomers to gnu/linux - a root account that allows you to do anything without having to _think_ about the possible consequences is probably not a good idea |
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| 21:06.01 | bush|werk | bah |
| 21:06.02 | enforcer_ | this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 21:06.06 | bush|werk | thinking before acting |
| 21:06.08 | bush|werk | who does that? |
| 21:06.26 | Saar | danand_: moot point, a simple "subo bash" will give you root access |
| 21:06.38 | enforcer_ | Ubuntu "is a Swahili word that means 'Too stupid to configure Debian. |
| 21:06.44 | Saar | so not onl;y does ubuntu fuck up it makes it a pointl;ess fuck up |
| 21:06.55 | chops | danand_: I actually sort of agree; I never have the root passwords to my Debian machines, because I use sudo for everything. From time to time I need to put in the root password and it always entails a lengthy search through my wallet for the little piece of paper that has it. I'd rather just have root with a * password honestly... |
| 21:07.08 | Dave_is_sexy | wols: ...hda1 is not a block device apparently |
| 21:07.18 | Dave_is_sexy | which seems to be a bad thing |
| 21:07.24 | danand_ | enforcer_ - :D thats not kind... some ubuntu users use debian too |
| 21:07.24 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: fdisk -l |
| 21:07.30 | wols_ | and pastebin your mount command too |
| 21:07.31 | Dave_is_sexy | -l? |
| 21:07.38 | wols_ | yes |
| 21:07.44 | Dave_is_sexy | oh. oh, it's on a different machine |
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| 21:07.56 | wols_ | ´then solve your own problems. have a nice day |
| 21:08.01 | Dave_is_sexy | aw |
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| 21:08.05 | Saar | whats more scure, a hard to guess root password or a generic user with sudo bash access and likely a simpler password? |
| 21:08.40 | Pete_B | Where's best to locate different web sites that only need their own directories not domains, on a local server, in /var/www? symlinked from /var/www to /us/share/<name>? some form of name-based virtual hosting? or something else? |
| 21:08.44 | nevyn | a generic user with a hard to guess password and no root access. |
| 21:09.03 | chops | Saar: It just seems like a silly duplication. sudo is an excellent way of granting root access to someone. Why have a separate, redundant method for gaining root access, which is never supposed to be used except if the fsck fails or something? |
| 21:09.07 | nevyn | Saar: and really what's the threat model |
| 21:09.07 | Saar | nevyn: yes but then you can't ever do much, such as mounts |
| 21:09.19 | danand_ | Saar - you can always remove users from the admin group. users must belong to that group to sudo |
| 21:09.47 | chops | danand_: Users must be in /etc/sudoers to sudo, nothing to do with admin that I know of |
| 21:10.01 | chops | Pete_B: /srv is good for that sort of thing |
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| 21:10.23 | Pete_B | chops: thanks |
| 21:10.27 | Saar | you need to have root access to do certain things, sudo gives you as much access as su or login as root, yet with your often used user password |
| 21:10.30 | chops | Pete_B: I use /srv/http:foo.com/{static,cgi-bin} and so on for the other vhosts |
| 21:10.35 | drwahl | pepve: after checking through the logs in apache (access.log and error.log) i do not say any mentions of anything. any other ideas? |
| 21:10.40 | ericpersson | anyone know where some tux's can be found? images that is.. |
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| 21:11.00 | Saar | in fact sudo on ubuntu appears to cache the password |
| 21:11.12 | chops | Pete_B: Plus the inevitable symlinks and re-aliases... |
| 21:11.15 | Saar | typed it once, it remembers |
| 21:11.20 | chops | Saar: sudo on Debian does the same |
| 21:11.25 | Rat409 | ericpersson: try linux-art.org maybe |
| 21:11.31 | enforcer_ | how to unzip tar.bz2? |
| 21:11.39 | chops | enforcer_: tar xvfj filename.tar.bz2 |
| 21:11.39 | Saar | hence, debian doesnt default a user to sudo bash |
| 21:11.41 | pepve | drwahl, well, check what the config files are actually doing, that usually works for me |
| 21:11.48 | danand_ | chops - you can set for a group to be in the sudoers by adding an entry in the file like %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:11.58 | chops | danand_: Yes, but that's not by default |
| 21:12.08 | ericpersson | thanks Rat409 |
| 21:12.17 | pepve | drwahl, but i'm no expert on this, these days |
| 21:12.25 | chops | danand_: You might as well say "you must be in the dialout group to sudo", since you can configure _that_ group to have sudo access likewise... |
| 21:12.28 | drwahl | pepve: np, i appreciate the help :) |
| 21:12.35 | chops | danand_: :-) |
| 21:13.02 | thursley | exit |
| 21:13.03 | ericpersson | Rat409: it was parked.. |
| 21:13.12 | enforcer_ | checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev |
| 21:13.16 | enforcer_ | what do I need to install? |
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| 21:13.43 | bush|werk | ... |
| 21:13.45 | bush|werk | tcl-dev |
| 21:13.48 | chops | enforcer_: Is there any evidence that if someone helped you, you'd answer their questions or follow their advice? |
| 21:14.09 | enforcer_ | chops, you wern't paying attention.. |
| 21:14.12 | chops | enforcer_: You seem to be having trouble... I know you're frustrated, but making it easy for people to help you instead of arguing with them when they do will get you a lot more assistance |
| 21:14.14 | enforcer_ | I sumbitted the bug |
| 21:14.38 | danand_ | chops - thats just the way its done on ubuntu - ie prevents anyone not in the admin group from using sudo _unless_ there in the admin group due to that entry in the sudoers file |
| 21:15.06 | enforcer_ | there is no tcl-dev |
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| 21:15.16 | enforcer_ | I want to die |
| 21:15.59 | enforcer_ | what do I do with a .package file? |
| 21:16.02 | danand_ | chops - s/there/they're/ tut |
| 21:16.25 | _daft | enforcer_: I havent heard any story about some one dieing due to irc. So i think you have to look some where else |
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| 21:16.45 | enforcer_ | lol |
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| 21:17.00 | enforcer_ | I want to cry |
| 21:17.38 | enforcer_ | .package file? |
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| 21:18.43 | Dave_is_sexy | wols: got it. there was infact no hda1, it was under hda2 (not sure why, but anyway) :) |
| 21:19.00 | abrotman | enforcer_: tcl8.3-dev |
| 21:19.02 | hark | enforcer_: apt-cache search tcl dev |
| 21:19.39 | hark | or tcl8.4-dev :) |
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| 21:20.03 | Dave_is_sexy | I am however having a problem seeing the files on sda (not sda1), which i am told is possible to use as a drive without a partition table. |
| 21:20.24 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: You can use a disk as a filesystem like that instead of making a partition table, but you shouldn't |
| 21:20.46 | enforcer_ | ./configure: line 3482: /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh: No such file or directory |
| 21:20.48 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: If nothing else, it makes it hard for other admins to determine that there's actually something useful on the disk, making them more likely to trash it :-) |
| 21:21.09 | chops | enforcer_: Still want to stuff this package shit? :-) |
| 21:21.47 | zomak_ | shame on me, im installing rhel5 to my testmachine ;/ |
| 21:21.50 | enforcer_ | ? |
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| 21:22.10 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: yes that's what i thought. I'll see if i can use sda1. if sda1 doesn't exist on the disk (the disk has no partition table), and i ask to see it, it'll tell me no right? |
| 21:22.29 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: Correct. fdisk will tell you what the partitions on the disk look like. |
| 21:22.36 | Spec | i'm encountering a weird error with memtest86(and memtest86+), but linux (seems) to run fine. I've replaced the motherboard, ram, and have tested the CPUs, and all are fine...but memtest throws an error at 2047.2 megs into the ram. The only thing I can think of at this point is memtest is writing into memory allocated to the bios - due to the bios being buggy |
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| 21:22.54 | Spec | so my question is, when i run debian - is there a way to test the ram and/or see if linux *knows* what ram the bios is using |
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| 21:23.09 | enforcer_ | lol |
| 21:23.15 | bush|werk | Spec: im willing to bet that the OS isnt using 2047.2 megs of ram |
| 21:23.18 | enforcer_ | compiling a timebomb in my system |
| 21:23.29 | Spec | bush|werk: hmm? |
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| 21:23.48 | Spec | i'm thinking of compiling a kernel over and over and see if it works |
| 21:23.50 | bush|werk | Spec: everything will run fine until bad memory is allocated |
| 21:23.54 | chops | enforcer_: You got frustrated with packages, now you're getting frustrated with compiling from source... |
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| 21:23.58 | hark | enforcer_: what are you trying to compile? |
| 21:24.08 | enforcer_ | amsn |
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| 21:24.10 | Spec | bush|werk: right, but this is an important server and the memory's not bad. and i'm covered by a good warranty |
| 21:24.14 | enforcer_ | sick of it fucking up on me |
| 21:24.19 | Spec | bush|werk: so how can i tell if linux knows about the bios' ram |
| 21:24.43 | abrotman | Spec: memtest ? |
| 21:24.48 | bush|werk | lawl |
| 21:24.50 | hark | enforcer_: what's wrong with the one in debian? |
| 21:24.52 | Spec | yeap, i've used memtest and memtest86+ |
| 21:24.58 | enforcer_ | it's fucked |
| 21:25.00 | bush|werk | Spec: what happens if you swap out the ram? |
| 21:25.03 | enforcer_ | when I load it it closes |
| 21:25.05 | enforcer_ | and it's all big |
| 21:25.16 | Spec | bush|werk: same error, same place |
| 21:25.18 | enforcer_ | and I can't remove it, well I can, but the settings stay |
| 21:25.35 | Spec | bush|werk: i've three known good sticks of ram |
| 21:25.46 | Eulex | enforcer_, right, settings are stored in your home directory |
| 21:25.49 | Spec | and i've two good cpus (which i've swapped), and two good mobo's, all give the same error, at the same mem address |
| 21:25.52 | bush|werk | recompile your muffler bearings |
| 21:26.02 | Spec | at 2047.2 |
| 21:26.04 | bush|werk | does memtest have a 2G limit? |
| 21:26.14 | enforcer_ | Eulex, I have done rm -rf ~/.aterm |
| 21:26.15 | hark | enforcer_: for the settings, check ~/.amsn if there's a dir for your profile still remaining. |
| 21:26.18 | enforcer_ | still stays |
| 21:26.22 | pepve | Spec, if you replaced the mobo, why would you conclude the bios is bad? |
| 21:26.31 | Eulex | enforcer_, emh, aterm != amsn |
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| 21:26.52 | Spec | pepve: because the bios is responsible for telling memtest what memory range it *can't* use |
| 21:27.05 | wald6 | what is exactly "linux-wlan-ng-source" package ? these wifi drivers are not included in the kernel by default ? |
| 21:27.08 | Spec | pepve: and memtest crashes ....i'm assumin at the point it writes into the bios' memory space |
| 21:27.18 | enforcer_ | Eulex, ? |
| 21:27.20 | Spec | pepve: i've replaced every component it could possibly be. |
| 21:27.40 | Eulex | enforcer_, if you're having problems with amsn, removing aterm settings won't change anything :) |
| 21:27.45 | pepve | Spec, you mean, you used the same bios on the two different mobo's you used? |
| 21:27.47 | Eulex | enforcer_, or was that just a typo? |
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| 21:28.04 | enforcer_ | typo |
| 21:28.06 | Spec | pepve: no, first mobo was version a10, second was a10, then i updated to the latest a12, all versions of mobos and bios' had the same error. |
| 21:28.11 | enforcer_ | Eulex, I have done rm -rf ~/.amsn |
| 21:28.19 | pepve | hmm |
| 21:28.28 | bush|werk | Spec: in that case, its not an error - its a "feature" |
| 21:28.32 | Spec | right |
| 21:28.38 | chemist | if I want to cross-compile for another platform (arm) do I need to have the same kernel version running on the machine I am using to compile? |
| 21:28.39 | Spec | bush|werk: so i'm wondering if debian will be able to cope with the feature |
| 21:28.50 | Eulex | enforcer_, ok, then I dunno. could you describe the problems you're having with amsn a bit more thoroughly? |
| 21:28.51 | Spec | bush|werk: thus the kernel compiling which will stress test disk i/o, ram, and cpu |
| 21:29.08 | bush|werk | perhaps |
| 21:29.10 | enforcer_ | Eulex, when I run amsn, I opens for 1 second the closes |
| 21:29.11 | Spec | but that won't gaurantee linux won't write into the last 8 megs |
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| 21:29.21 | bush|werk | except a compile won't test your disk i/o |
| 21:29.23 | Spec | so i was wondering if there's a "live-mem-checker" of sorts |
| 21:29.28 | Eulex | Spec, apt-cache show stress |
| 21:29.29 | Spec | eh, it'll test it slightly :p |
| 21:29.32 | bush|werk | you're better off using dd |
| 21:29.32 | enforcer_ | and I have don't rm -rf ~/.amsn and apt-get remove --purge amsn |
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| 21:29.44 | enforcer_ | then I install it again and the font is still big |
| 21:29.45 | Spec | i'm not too concerned with the disks though....memtest runs off a cdrom into ram |
| 21:29.53 | enforcer_ | it wont go back to factory settings |
| 21:30.11 | Spec | Eulex: 'k, i'll run the various stress testers...if all pass fine, can I safely put this machine into production? |
| 21:30.13 | bush|werk | again, does memtest have a 2G limit? |
| 21:30.18 | pepve | Spec, memtest crashing is not a guarantee for anything being broken, right... |
| 21:30.20 | Eulex | enforcer_, try running it from a terminal for the closes-problem |
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| 21:30.35 | valdyn | bush|werk: why the hell a 2G limit? |
| 21:30.42 | bush|werk | why the hell not? |
| 21:30.43 | Spec | bush|werk: errrr |
| 21:30.47 | Spec | i've used memtest on systems with 16 gigs of ram |
| 21:30.49 | Spec | so.... |
| 21:30.51 | Eulex | Spec, I don't know. I assume so, but there's always a risk. |
| 21:30.52 | bush|werk | so no |
| 21:30.56 | Spec | :p |
| 21:31.03 | bush|werk | occams razor |
| 21:31.09 | bush|werk | why not try the simplest explanation? |
| 21:31.14 | Spec | user error? |
| 21:31.15 | Spec | :) |
| 21:31.15 | bush|werk | in this case, its not right :D |
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| 21:31.22 | pepve | hehe |
| 21:31.23 | Eulex | enforcer_, for the font problem, what does xdpyinfo|grep dots output? |
| 21:31.31 | Spec | i've used multiple versions of memtest, on multiple media... etc :p |
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| 21:31.32 | tosh| | anyone know a cli ftp client that can do recursive uploads of dirs? |
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| 21:31.43 | Spec | tosh|: expect + ftp |
| 21:31.43 | Eulex | tosh|, lftp |
| 21:31.46 | valdyn | Spec: what else is failing beside memtest86? |
| 21:31.48 | enforcer_ | attempt to provide package tls 1.5 failed: package tls 1.50 provided instead |
| 21:31.50 | pepve | tosh|, ncftp? |
| 21:31.50 | Spec | valdyn: nothing |
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| 21:31.53 | Spec | valdyn: everything works 100% fine |
| 21:32.02 | bush|werk | Spec: you could even script something that would allocate memory, see if the OS will allocate past 2047.2 MB of ram |
| 21:32.03 | tosh| | ncftp can't do recursive uploads |
| 21:32.08 | tosh| | ill check out lftp, thanks |
| 21:32.08 | enforcer_ | resolution: -2147483648x-2147483648 dots per inch |
| 21:32.09 | valdyn | Spec: have you verified that "memtester" cannot test the same region? |
| 21:32.14 | Spec | bush|werk: that's what i wanted to do...but i don't know how |
| 21:32.18 | enforcer_ | I set the font in amsn too big and now it's fucked it lol |
| 21:32.19 | Spec | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 21:32.24 | pepve | tosh|, sorry then |
| 21:32.27 | bush|werk | Spec: C with malloc() i suppose |
| 21:32.32 | bush|werk | i havent done C in yeeeears |
| 21:32.35 | valdyn | Spec: memtester is another ram testing tool |
| 21:32.43 | Spec | oh, i've only used memtest86/+ |
| 21:32.46 | bush|werk | Spec: or just get a bigger hammer |
| 21:32.50 | Spec | is memtester open source, and does it distribute in an .iso? |
| 21:32.55 | valdyn | Spec: but it runs on linux so it has a bigger area it cant test |
| 21:32.56 | apachelogger | CDBS |
| 21:32.57 | neiljp | any advice on typing in japanese under Debian? I've read various howtos, mainly trying to get scim working, but while I have a scim keyboard icon in my systray, I can't seem to bring up the toolbar... :( |
| 21:32.57 | Eulex | enforcer_, hehe, sorry, I don't know what to check/change. perhaps look whether there is a .tcl or .tk directory in your home dir? |
| 21:33.07 | Spec | valdyn: ohhhh, ok, that's what i want then. it runs while linux is running? |
| 21:33.16 | Spec | valdyn: i want to verify linux *CANT* write into the bios memory and crash the cpu |
| 21:33.22 | Spec | s/cant/won't/ |
| 21:33.31 | Spec | because dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/kmem will always work |
| 21:33.34 | valdyn | Spec: im not sure it can actually verify to which physical address its writing to |
| 21:33.44 | valdyn | Spec: it can just test all ram that it can lock |
| 21:33.52 | Spec | that's good enough i would assume |
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| 21:33.57 | Spec | because the RAM is good |
| 21:34.07 | Spec | so i don't need to test it....i just need to make sure linux won't crash :) |
| 21:34.07 | valdyn | !info memtester |
| 21:34.11 | dpkg | memtester: (A utility for testing the memory subsystem), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.0.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
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| 21:34.25 | Spec | alrighty, well, i'll do stress tests and memtester and get back to yall, installing debian now |
| 21:34.28 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: no, it's just /sda |
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| 21:34.56 | Dave_is_sexy | but it's empty. there are files on it, but they aren't showing up with ls, which normally shows up everything |
| 21:35.02 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: As I said, I think that's a bad idea. That said, if there's no partition table and you try to use /dev/sda1, it won't work, correct. |
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| 21:35.11 | Dave_is_sexy | yep |
| 21:35.27 | valdyn | Spec: now if there really is an issue with specific physical addresses you could "blacklist" those, but you probably dont want to go that way because it needs patching the kernel |
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| 21:36.05 | Spec | valdyn: just blacklist anything over 2047 megs |
| 21:36.10 | tosh| | lftp can't do recursive uploads either :( |
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| 21:36.16 | tosh| | why is that so difficult for a cli ftp client |
| 21:36.17 | Spec | valdyn: i'll keep in mind, but the end application is going to be ipcop, not debian, and i've never recompiled ipcop's kernel. |
| 21:36.18 | enforcer_ | this has not me stumped |
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| 21:36.23 | enforcer_ | got* |
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| 21:36.33 | Spec | tosh|: because ftp sucks and you should use scp |
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| 21:37.08 | tosh| | spec ofcourse, but my xbox doesn't support scp |
| 21:37.11 | chops | tosh|: I use curlftpfs+rsync for that scenario here |
| 21:37.16 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: any thoughts about why the files on sda don't show up? |
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| 21:37.26 | Spec | tosh|: oh, xbox -.- |
| 21:37.38 | chops | tosh|: It's not perfect (in particular you've got to be very careful with the rsync options to make sure it doesn't try to redownload every file before verifying that it's the same), but it works. |
| 21:37.49 | chemist | I want to x-compile an ARM kernel on my pc, do I need to be running the same kernel version on the source (my pc) as the target (ARM device) ? |
| 21:38.00 | tosh| | chops I'll try it, thanks |
| 21:38.11 | valdyn | chemist: no |
| 21:38.18 | chemist | valdyn: thanx |
| 21:38.27 | chops | tosh|: np |
| 21:38.37 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: No thoughts, no... |
| 21:38.45 | fiendishfish | I've downloaded the jre via apt-get (Setting up sun-java5-bin (1.5.0-14-1etch1) ) and a website still won't run the java applet, do I have to reboot or something? |
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| 21:39.13 | chops | fiendishfish: You need the java plugin package as well |
| 21:39.34 | fiendishfish | Ah :) |
| 21:39.38 | fiendishfish | Installing now |
| 21:40.02 | fiendishfish | Nice, thanks. |
| 21:40.06 | chops | fiendishfish: np |
| 21:40.38 | edistar_ | join #ubuntu |
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| 21:40.45 | latzer | i've problems with apache and ldap, what i need is access control for a directory by ldap users |
| 21:40.49 | edistar_ | sry *blush* |
| 21:40.54 | chops | edistar_: np |
| 21:41.16 | chops | edistar_: At least you're joining #ubuntu instead of asking for help with your Ubun^H^H^H^HDebian system :-) |
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| 21:42.59 | edistar_ | chops: heh, I'm running lenny myself, but having problems with my girlfriends laptop(ubuntu), ubuntu is different to debian quite some times.. |
| 21:43.17 | chops | edistar_: Yes. Yes it is. :-) |
| 21:43.22 | Spec | valdyn: bush|werk http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-June/015375.html <-- interesting post. |
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| 21:43.47 | Spec | also, valdyn, bush|werk http://forum.x86-secret.com/showthread.php?t=7807 |
| 21:43.53 | Spec | that one has the *exact same* memory address failing |
| 21:44.11 | tgelter | afternoon all. I've searched man pages and google and I'm coming up short. Is there any way to use dpkg/apt/apt-get/aptitude to verify the contents of packages (MD5, perms, mtime, etc.) ? |
| 21:44.13 | Dave_is_sexy | tosh|: You mentioned Debian on Xbox before. Do you know why 'mount -fatx /dev/sda /mnt/sda' wouldn't give me file access? |
| 21:44.36 | chops | tgelter: debsums |
| 21:44.49 | petemc | Dave_is_sexy: fatx hasnt worked in the kernek for years |
| 21:44.55 | petemc | kernel |
| 21:44.59 | chops | tgelter: Not sure about perms and mtime and whatnot |
| 21:45.00 | Dave_is_sexy | oh |
| 21:45.06 | tgelter | chops: I looked into that as well, and saw that it could check the md5 sums, but couldn't find out how to do anything else |
| 21:45.23 | petemc | even if it did, thats not proper syntax |
| 21:45.44 | tosh| | Dave_is_sexy me? don't think I have.. you're trying that on an xbox? |
| 21:45.44 | chops | tgelter: You might extract the .deb yourself (it's an .ar file) and then use rsync --dry-run creatively |
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| 21:46.00 | tgelter | basically what I'm looking for is an equivalent to an rpmverify (all kinds of people telling me it can't be done under debian and I mean to prove them wrong) |
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| 21:46.06 | Dave_is_sexy | tosh|: no it's on a pc atm |
| 21:46.10 | cafuego | tgelter: debsums |
| 21:46.24 | Dave_is_sexy | trying to mount the fatx drive on the pc first |
| 21:46.24 | ringo999 | hi folks. i think im in trouble. im using luks encryption with debian etch. the system "crashed" a couple of hours ago (i think the battery was empty. now, after confirming my passphrase i get the following message: kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot... resume libcrypt version: 1.2.3 resume: could not read the image done. kjourald starting. commit interval 5seconds. ext-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered dat |
| 21:46.31 | Ant54 | anyone know where the lm-sensors modules live? I was expecting them to be installed by default |
| 21:46.34 | cafuego | tgelter: I assume rpmverify checks installed files? |
| 21:46.54 | chops | tgelter: Out of curiosity, why are you concerned about mtime and permissions? |
| 21:46.57 | tgelter | cafuego: yes, that's correct |
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| 21:47.07 | Ant54 | I've got lm-sensors installed but it's expecting some kernel modules that aren't there |
| 21:47.08 | cafuego | tgelter: Then yes, debsums. |
| 21:47.11 | bush|werk | Spec: so the problem looks like it may be memtest? |
| 21:47.17 | Dave_is_sexy | petemc: it isn't? i always mount things that way |
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| 21:47.32 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: mount -t fatx /dev/sda /mnt/sda |
| 21:47.35 | tosh| | Dave_is_sexy did you load the required kernel module for your drive controller? |
| 21:47.42 | wd | hello all. hey susanne thanks for the help the other day. |
| 21:47.43 | tgelter | chops: in addition to checking md5 sums (security), it's often helpful to see what files have changed (config files, etc.) and whether their permissions have been modified as well from a troubleshooting perspective |
| 21:47.44 | Spec | bush|werk: that or the bios...i think dmesg will have lots of glorious information, i'll see what it says when debian's done installing |
| 21:47.47 | valdyn | ringo999: whats the actual problem? |
| 21:48.15 | cafuego | tgelter: tripwire is your friend |
| 21:48.18 | latzer | anyone expiriences with LDAP? |
| 21:48.18 | ringo999 | valdyn: well it doesnt boot the system, looks like it cant load the disk since its encrypted! |
| 21:48.35 | smultron | with RAID1, do you have to reserve 1/2 the capacity of usable size at all times? |
| 21:48.36 | valdyn | ringo999: . ext-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered dat |
| 21:48.39 | valdyn | ringo999: whats that then? |
| 21:48.41 | cloakable | latzer: What do you want to do with it? |
| 21:48.44 | cafuego | smultron: yes |
| 21:48.49 | cafuego | smultron: that's the point |
| 21:48.57 | chops | tgelter: I would extract and manually compare then |
| 21:49.04 | Dave_is_sexy | tosh|: ah. apparently not |
| 21:49.11 | tgelter | cafuego: yeah, I kinda figured I'd need to go that route, though I wanted to prove my friends wrong by using debian build tools |
| 21:49.19 | wd | i installed debian sarge on a old laptop, no net so i uploaded first 5 cds in source list, in getting X11/window system..it says "it depend on twm = not available" |
| 21:49.21 | ringo999 | valdyn: normally it puts me to the shell and askes me for my login... this doesnt happen, all i see is (initramfs)... something is wrong |
| 21:49.30 | chops | wd: Does it say 'stable' in your sources.list? |
| 21:49.33 | ringo999 | valdyn: im "scared" |
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| 21:49.36 | tgelter | chops: that's a fine way of doing things, but would be time-consuming for a system-wide check |
| 21:49.39 | smultron | cafuego: i thought it just mirrored everything over to the other drive, using the full capacity of both... |
| 21:49.41 | tosh| | Dave_is_sexy if the output of dmesg didn't give you an indication that the device is there, you need to find the correct module |
| 21:49.46 | wd | chops, checking |
| 21:49.48 | chops | wd: If it does, change to 'sarge'... |
| 21:49.49 | latzer | cloakable: my user system is with ldap but now i like to have apache directory access for LDAP users |
| 21:49.54 | chops | wd: Or better yet, upgrade to etch :-) |
| 21:49.57 | cafuego | tgelter: Don't get me wrong, debsums works fine for most installed files, but tripwire just easily integrates with cron |
| 21:50.06 | Dave_is_sexy | tosh|: i mounted with -t and it said module not found |
| 21:50.08 | valdyn | ringo999: what you pasted is a successful mount and prior to that a failed resume from suspend to disk, which is a non-issue |
| 21:50.13 | Dave_is_sexy | ...which is unfortunate |
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| 21:50.15 | cafuego | smultron: Yes, so you effectivly use only half the combined size |
| 21:50.21 | valdyn | ringo999: there got to be something else |
| 21:50.41 | tgelter | cafuego: I'll take a look into tripwire |
| 21:50.53 | smultron | cafuego: ah, ok. that's what i was thinking... just got confused. thanks for the clarification :) |
| 21:50.57 | wd | chops, well, it's a nubus mac, im using ppc.. installation called for sarge. |
| 21:51.07 | chops | wd: etch doesn't work on it? |
| 21:51.20 | cafuego | chops: A *nubus* mac? |
| 21:51.31 | chops | cafuego: I don't know what that means. |
| 21:51.43 | ringo999 | valdyn: what do you suggest doing? i see here it says "busybox built in shell ash" |
| 21:51.44 | cafuego | chops: A mac from the stone age |
| 21:51.50 | wd | chops, very old man powerbook |
| 21:51.59 | cloakable | latzer: Sorry, I don't know how to do that :( |
| 21:52.00 | valdyn | ringo999: take a photo of the screen and post it |
| 21:52.06 | wd | chops, open firmware nada.. lol |
| 21:52.15 | wd | chops, i'm booting mklinux |
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| 21:52.24 | ringo999 | valdyn: alright |
| 21:52.25 | latzer | cloakable: before the change to apache 2.2 there was a working AuthType LDAP but now it's not working anymore |
| 21:52.26 | chops | cafuego, wd: And? It wouldn't be shocking to me to hear that Debian stopped working on some particular piece of old hardware, but it should be fixable if so. |
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| 21:52.43 | chops | cafuego, wd: I mean, we dropped support for i386 when? Last year? :-) |
| 21:52.48 | cafuego | chops: i iamgine it wouldn't have enough ram to run etch <heh> |
| 21:52.57 | latzer | cloakable: thanks anyway |
| 21:52.59 | wd | chops, lol |
| 21:53.16 | wd | chops, i think cafuego hit it on the nose. |
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| 21:53.48 | TuxCrafter | hi guys |
| 21:53.50 | chops | wd: I mean, I don't want to impose a sense of adventure on you if you don't feel adventurous. Sarge should be fine if you change 'stable' to 'sarge' in the sources.list; it'll just be problematic once security updates stop. |
| 21:53.55 | wd | chops, it's like 32mb ram max is 64.. 166mhz |
| 21:53.58 | TuxCrafter | how can i get bash-completion working on sid? |
| 21:54.04 | cafuego | For none of which I could be bothered installing Linux. |
| 21:54.34 | wd | chops, ok |
| 21:54.43 | chops | wd: I think the crappiest computer I ever ran Debian on had 8 MB of RAM. I made an nbd swap device because it was faster than the local disk. :-) |
| 21:54.49 | wd | chops, even if i only have the cd iso in the list. |
| 21:55.00 | wd | chops, wow |
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| 21:55.20 | fignew | nbd? |
| 21:55.26 | chops | wd: It was basically my X terminal for a while. It was painful. I had a big adventure, but it wasn't very enjoyable. :-) |
| 21:55.34 | ringo999 | valdyn: where is a good place to share the photo |
| 21:55.51 | valdyn | !paste |
| 21:55.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 21:56.09 | chops | fignew: network block device (use remote storage as a block device, in this case another machine's RAM) |
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| 21:56.29 | fignew | chops: ahh |
| 21:56.30 | fignew | thanks :) |
| 21:56.34 | chops | fignew: np |
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| 21:57.08 | lrp | hello |
| 21:57.09 | AwesomeGuy | hello lrp |
| 21:57.33 | lrp | how can i rebuild a package from the start ? see i need him to create default config files |
| 21:57.56 | chops | wd: Oh, I was misremembering -- it had 24 MB. http://eintr.net/systems/sun/sparcclassic/ |
| 21:58.03 | valdyn | lrp: hmm? why would need to rebuild a package to get default config files? |
| 21:58.08 | Malawar | so, is there a "best practice" to install a source tarball so that it will be recognized by apt (for dependencies/etc)? |
| 21:58.20 | wd | chops, cool |
| 21:58.44 | valdyn | Malawar: 1) check if theres really no deb available, 2) build a deb, the easiest way to do that is "checkinstall" |
| 21:58.46 | ringo999 | valdyn: http://picpaste.com/pics/P1070039.1204063038.JPG ... sorry, not the best quality and you might have to turn your head :-( |
| 21:58.57 | ringo999 | valdyn: ill take another one in the meantime |
| 21:59.01 | o2T7 | I asked dpkg about festival, but the website of the festival project in its archive is not found. Do you know where could i get spanish voices for festival? |
| 21:59.06 | lrp | how can i rebuild a package from the start ? see i need him to create default config files , example apache2 ? |
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| 21:59.34 | valdyn | ringo999: ask the channel, not me, im dont know much at all about crypted disks in linux |
| 21:59.42 | chops | wd: Yeah, it was. It was fun. The best part was taking it to the local computer store and explaining that I needed a part for it. I tried to just ask the guy to order chip number such-and-such (basically the CMOS battery had died), but he wouldn't listen and insisted that I bring it in. It was great seeing him try to pretend he knew how to debug what was wrong with it :-). |
| 21:59.43 | abrotman | !source |
| 21:59.43 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 21:59.44 | o2T7 | lpr: You can `apt-get --purge remove package` and then reinstall int |
| 21:59.54 | abrotman | lrp: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:59.55 | o2T7 | sorry |
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| 22:00.05 | abrotman | lrp: and the package for apache is apache2.2-common |
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| 22:00.36 | chops | wd: E.g. he took his VGA monitor and started looking for a place on the back to plug it in... |
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| 22:00.52 | ringo999 | valdyn: ok |
| 22:01.19 | wd | chops, hehe |
| 22:01.32 | ringo999 | please anyone, i have problem starting my etch, using LUKS encryption, see here: http://picpaste.com/P1070040.JPG |
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| 22:01.56 | ringo999 | this is really murphys law once again. i need my machine now, i have a deadline tomorrow.... |
| 22:02.04 | wd | chops, ok, my sources list shows all 5 cd binary's, on the tail it states.. "unstable contrib main" |
| 22:02.06 | TuxCrafter | how can i get bash-completion working on sid? is this the correct channel for this question? |
| 22:02.12 | lrp | wow kinda big lag |
| 22:02.13 | chops | wd: Ooh |
| 22:02.16 | chops | wd: That's not correct :-) |
| 22:02.27 | chops | wd: Try changing the network source to sarge |
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| 22:02.38 | chops | wd: Also, you'll want to do security updates (can't remember if the sarge installer sets them up by default) |
| 22:02.40 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: does the bash-completion package exist yet? |
| 22:02.41 | wd | chops, i don't have network |
| 22:02.49 | chops | wd: Ah, makes sense |
| 22:03.16 | ringo999 | valdyn: could you not just have a look, the new pic, im really desperate, dont know what to do anymore... |
| 22:03.24 | lrp | yeahh its working now , thanks |
| 22:03.24 | TuxCrafter | abrotman: if i do apt-get install bash-completion it referrer to bash package but does not do anything? |
| 22:03.32 | chops | wd: In that case, can you pastebin your exact command and the error please? |
| 22:03.38 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: let me check |
| 22:03.41 | wd | chops, i did a netinstall but my pcmcia modem isn't config to update and get files so i'm using cdroms of the 14 set i have first 5 |
| 22:03.49 | chops | wd: nod |
| 22:04.02 | wd | chops, i know |
| 22:04.03 | chops | wd: See also apt offline (google if you're not familiar) |
| 22:04.17 | valdyn | ringo999: try mounting or accessing your disk from that busybox shell |
| 22:04.19 | wd | chops, apt offline ok |
| 22:04.20 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html .. not in sid yet |
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| 22:04.45 | eshaase | how do i determine what version of debian i currently have installed? |
| 22:04.56 | ringo999 | valdyn: how do i do that? |
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| 22:05.11 | streuner_ | eshaase: < |
| 22:05.13 | wd | chops, there now |
| 22:05.14 | valdyn | ringo999: sec |
| 22:05.15 | streuner_ | eshaase: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:05.17 | ringo999 | im still quite new to debian |
| 22:05.21 | ringo999 | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:05.21 | gourmand | ringo999: do you have /dev? |
| 22:05.24 | TuxCrafter | abrotman: hmm hmm ok how long do you think it will take |
| 22:05.34 | Dave_is_sexy | excuse me for being dumb here, but how do i scroll up in a shell to see what happened a minute ago? |
| 22:05.34 | ringo999 | gourmand: yes |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: well .. it's been there for two weeks |
| 22:05.51 | gourmand | ringo999: /dev/mapper ? |
| 22:06.00 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: shift-pgup |
| 22:06.12 | Dave_is_sexy | ah. good good |
| 22:06.19 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: it's near the top .. so hopefully soon |
| 22:06.24 | ringo999 | gourmand: yes |
| 22:06.30 | TuxCrafter | abrotman: thanks for the good info |
| 22:06.37 | valdyn | ringo999: can can see that /dev/mapper/something is your swap partition, and that that device is also /dev/dm-1 |
| 22:06.48 | abrotman | (though that argument didn't work with mplayer) |
| 22:06.59 | valdyn | ringo999: your / might be dm-0, so try "mount /dev/dm-0 /mnt" |
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| 22:08.31 | eshaase | streuner_: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 22:09.03 | ringo999 | valdyn: didnt work, no such file or directory |
| 22:09.06 | Dave_is_sexy | almost there. I typed cp foldername ./newlocation and i got told 'cp foldername omitted' |
| 22:09.07 | gourmand | ringo999: what is in /dev/mapper ? cswap == enc swap; anything else ? |
| 22:09.10 | wd | chops, what about loading all the cd iso in the sources.list won't that do it? "apt-cdrom add" |
| 22:09.19 | valdyn | ringo999: /dev/dm-0 exists ? |
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| 22:09.32 | ringo999 | valdyn: yes |
| 22:09.35 | Dave_is_sexy | cp is still copy right? |
| 22:09.41 | valdyn | ringo999: /mnt/ exists? |
| 22:09.45 | chops | wd: I think the installer should set that up for you |
| 22:09.46 | o2T7 | Please, does anybody know if there is a festival-es package? |
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| 22:10.00 | chops | wd: But if you had a funky install process, you might have to mess with apt-cdrom yourself, yes... |
| 22:10.03 | abrotman | o2T7: apt-cache ? |
| 22:10.08 | chops | wd: Are you talking about the Debian CDs or the apt offline data? |
| 22:10.13 | ringo999 | valdyn: yes, i created it |
| 22:10.17 | JW | I'm trying to insatll mysql 5 on sarge from b.o - I have setup my apt sources accordinlgy - and it won install mysql-client-5.0 because mysql-common (>= 5.0.32-7etch5~bpo31+1 is missing. But, when I check the b.o web interface, there is a version of mysql-common available. What to I need to do to get apt to see it? |
| 22:10.20 | o2T7 | abrotman: Not in lenny :( |
| 22:10.24 | wd | chops, Debian CDs |
| 22:10.32 | valdyn | ringo999: oh, no mount program available? |
| 22:10.45 | valdyn | ringo999: i dont really know what stuff is provided by your busybox |
| 22:10.52 | ringo999 | it is |
| 22:11.02 | ringo999 | when i type help mount is listed |
| 22:11.05 | valdyn | ringo999: uh |
| 22:11.14 | valdyn | ringo999: so try mounting again.. |
| 22:11.36 | valdyn | ringo999: i cant tell if you made the /mnt before or after trying to mount |
| 22:11.54 | ringo999 | i try "mount /dev/dm-1 /mnt" and i get "no such file or directory |
| 22:12.01 | ringo999 | what about the files in /dev/mapper? |
| 22:12.15 | wd | chops, what does it mean "several depends are unavailable" when trying to install an ap? |
| 22:12.17 | valdyn | ringo999: you're supposed to mount dm-0 |
| 22:12.26 | chops | wd: What depends are unavailable? |
| 22:12.28 | valdyn | ringo999: not dm-1, because that is your swap, you cant mount it |
| 22:12.32 | gourmand | ringo999: what is in /dev/mapper ? |
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| 22:13.32 | valdyn | ringo999: same error for dm-0 ? |
| 22:13.36 | wd | chops, "X-window-system depends on twm [unavailable]" |
| 22:13.56 | pde_was_stolen | is a loop on boot of the form: "/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/dev: No such file or directory" |
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| 22:14.01 | ringo999 | i see four files: "Volumegroup"-HOME, "Volumegroup-SWAP", control, sda5_crypt |
| 22:14.03 | wd | chops, i'm using console, aptiutde. |
| 22:14.09 | pde_was_stolen | Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up |
| 22:14.20 | Dave_is_sexy | nope. man pages indicate i'm typing the right thing. "cp FILE ./mnt/sda" |
| 22:14.21 | pde_was_stolen | a sign of the boot loader not finding the initrd image? |
| 22:14.31 | wd | chops, seems like every app i want is colored red with a "P B" next to it |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: i seriously doubt that is right |
| 22:14.47 | valdyn | ringo999: dm-1 = that-SWAP, dm-0 = that-HOME, its just names |
| 22:14.49 | Dave_is_sexy | oh |
| 22:15.01 | pde_was_stolen | trying to install a working boot loader on this new laptop seems fiendishly and inexplicably difficult |
| 22:15.06 | ringo999 | valdyn: same for dm-1 and dm-0, not such file or directory |
| 22:15.22 | valdyn | ringo999: is that-HOME your root filesystem? |
| 22:15.32 | valdyn | ringo999: or is it _really_ just /home ? |
| 22:15.38 | chops | wd: I'm not sure an easy way to tell what package is on which CD... |
| 22:15.44 | wd | chops, like all the apps are blocked or something.. i was able to pull antiword but X, fluxbox.. darnit everything. do i need to donwload more cds? |
| 22:15.51 | chops | wd: twm should be on an early one, though |
| 22:16.01 | gourmand | ringo999: your root was sda5, right? |
| 22:16.07 | ringo999 | i think its really just home |
| 22:16.11 | ringo999 | gourmand: yeah |
| 22:16.12 | wd | chops, thats what i need to do find out what apps are on the cds |
| 22:16.13 | rNode | When installing debian and it asks you which system you would like to install where it says Standard System, Web Server etc what will happen if you do not instally any of them? |
| 22:16.17 | chops | wd: Find out what CD twm is on. If it is on one of the ones you have, you need to fool with apt-cdrom until it understands what CDs are available. |
| 22:16.24 | ringo999 | im really lost here, i dont deal with those things normally |
| 22:16.30 | chops | wd: You can just mount the CDs and do: find /cdrom -name 'twm*' |
| 22:16.45 | gourmand | ringo999: ok, what is your current mount state (mount) |
| 22:16.45 | ringo999 | not good with "mounting" and system directories |
| 22:16.54 | valdyn | ringo999: your / is fucked, your /home isnt, you can reinstall debian, you can use a livecd to access /home, you can try booting with |
| 22:16.54 | wd | chops, ok |
| 22:16.57 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 22:16.57 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 22:17.06 | ringo999 | valdyn: no /proc/mounts |
| 22:17.10 | wd | chops, how about seeing what's on the cd's? what command. |
| 22:17.12 | valdyn | ringo999: *maybe ^^^ works |
| 22:17.24 | valdyn | ringo999: *maybe* ^^^ works ( what dpkg said ), if only init is missing |
| 22:17.28 | chops | wd: mount the CD, then: find /cdrom -name 'twm*' |
| 22:17.37 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: it doesn't work with -t or ../../ either. Gonna tell me? |
| 22:17.39 | ringo999 | valdyn: oh fuck |
| 22:17.42 | ringo999 | sorry |
| 22:17.46 | ringo999 | valdyn: how can that happen? |
| 22:17.55 | ringo999 | valdyn: jesus :-( |
| 22:17.56 | chops | wd: If you do find that you have twm (and apt just doesn't know it), then fool with apt-cdrom. I'm not familiar enough with apt-cdrom to tell you what needs to happen there, though :-( |
| 22:18.04 | valdyn | ringo999: thats what happens on power outages, its common |
| 22:18.12 | valdyn | ringo999: harddisks cant react gracefully to that |
| 22:18.13 | wd | chops, ok |
| 22:18.26 | Dave_is_sexy | ... -t being what i gathered from the man page, but the cp program says it's not a command |
| 22:18.43 | wd | chops, do i need the " ' "? |
| 22:18.57 | chops | wd: You do |
| 22:19.01 | wd | chops, quotes or ' |
| 22:19.01 | gourmand | ringo999: what does "mount" say? |
| 22:19.02 | wd | ok |
| 22:19.06 | ringo999 | valdyn: thats exactly what happened |
| 22:19.07 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: what is your `echo $PWD` ? |
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| 22:19.13 | chops | wd: Either ' or " |
| 22:19.17 | chops | wd: Just not one of each :-) |
| 22:19.19 | wd | chops, ok |
| 22:19.24 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: and `ls -ld ./mnt/sda` ? |
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| 22:19.30 | wd | chops, hehe |
| 22:19.33 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: and the actual error you get |
| 22:19.34 | valdyn | ringo999: and *some* ext3 fs is being mounted as i can see, i just dont know what it is, try "df" |
| 22:19.36 | JW | What is the "--nopdeps" option to apt to make it install anyway regardles of missing dependancies? |
| 22:19.55 | abrotman | JW: that's not a good idea |
| 22:19.56 | chops | JW: What are you trying to do? equivs is usually a better way |
| 22:20.10 | chops | JW: (Or just satisfying the deps in the first place is an even better way :-) |
| 22:20.12 | JW | I'm trying to instal mysql-client-5 from sarge reop on backports.org |
| 22:20.18 | ringo999 | valdyn: /proc/mounts: no such file or directory |
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| 22:20.23 | abrotman | jw: install it where ? |
| 22:20.27 | chops | JW: Don't break those dependencies. It won't make you happy. |
| 22:20.27 | JW | it's demanding libreadline5 but there's no libreadline5 available |
| 22:20.35 | JW | abrotman: install on a sarge install |
| 22:20.40 | chops | JW: How are you installing it? |
| 22:20.53 | JW | chops: added b.o to apt sources list |
| 22:20.57 | JW | and updated of course |
| 22:20.59 | abrotman | !info libreadline5 sarge |
| 22:21.10 | chops | JW: Can you pastebin the exact command you're running and its full output? |
| 22:21.10 | JW | and ran: apt-getf install mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common libmysqlclient15off |
| 22:21.18 | JW | without that spare f in there ;-) |
| 22:21.19 | abrotman | jw: try apt-get -f install |
| 22:21.22 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: "omitting directory NAME". ls just lists the one file that's already on /dev/sda, and echo$PWD didn't do anything |
| 22:21.23 | dpkg | libreadline5: (GNU readline and history libraries, run-time libraries), section libs, is standard. Version: 5.0-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 300 kB |
| 22:21.24 | chops | JW: And the contents of your sources.list? |
| 22:21.32 | JW | abrotman: I did, there's nothing to fix |
| 22:21.34 | valdyn | ringo999: mount -t proc procfs /proc |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | JW: show us your sources.list |
| 22:21.47 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:21.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:21.49 | Dave_is_sexy | (that was LS, not is) |
| 22:21.51 | Justin | Dave_is_sexy: ommitting directory == you did not give it the recursive option |
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| 22:22.03 | JW | ok maybe I caused my own problem: I commented out the sarge repos. Putting them back now |
| 22:22.06 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: i wanted to see the actual output .. |
| 22:22.14 | Dave_is_sexy | Justin: Ah |
| 22:22.15 | abrotman | JW: yeah .. kind of need those :) |
| 22:22.31 | JW | abrotman: nope, didn't help |
| 22:22.36 | JW | pastebin comming up . . . |
| 22:22.42 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: it's on a different machine, and I have no idea how to copy it across (as you may have guessed) |
| 22:22.54 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: you could IRC from that box .. or use ssh |
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| 22:23.21 | ringo999 | valdyn: that worked, looks like /dev/sda1 was mounted |
| 22:23.41 | valdyn | ringo999: thats your / ? |
| 22:23.50 | ringo999 | i think its sda5 |
| 22:23.56 | linkslice | is there any way to tell if i have an open ram slot? |
| 22:24.13 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 22:24.13 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 22:24.13 | valdyn | ringo999: mount disks, looks whats on them |
| 22:24.18 | abrotman | linkslice: maybe |
| 22:24.21 | Spec | valdyn: so when it crashes after a "memtest all 4 -l logfile.txt", that's a bad thing, right? |
| 22:24.26 | valdyn | ringo999: you need to figure out what is what yourself.. |
| 22:24.42 | JW | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49985 |
| 22:24.42 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: it's not online yet. but thanks, i managed to copy by using the -r option :) |
| 22:24.46 | JW | that's my sources |
| 22:24.53 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: then it wasn't FILE .. it was DIR |
| 22:24.56 | valdyn | Spec: did it crash or did the kernel kill it for ram being full? |
| 22:25.02 | JW | chops: http://paste.debian.net/49985 |
| 22:25.04 | ringo999 | valdyn: i think sda5 is my /home and that is the part that is encrypted |
| 22:25.17 | Spec | valdyn: no clue, said trying mlock and my ssh term died |
| 22:25.21 | valdyn | ringo999: that part is fine, its not whats failing |
| 22:25.28 | abrotman | JW: you ran an apt-get update after adding them back in right ? |
| 22:25.29 | DawnLight | hello. i've a sony handycam dcr-dvd106e. does anyone know whether it is possible to make this camera stream it's video through usb to the box? how does this happen on the box's side? v4l? |
| 22:25.30 | valdyn | Spec: so maybe the kernel killed ssh |
| 22:25.32 | Dave_is_sexy | i thought a DIR was a kind of file. oops |
| 22:25.36 | JW | abrotman: yes |
| 22:25.38 | Spec | valdyn: maybe, let me check in abit |
| 22:25.50 | bush|werk | Spec: still having problems with that? |
| 22:25.52 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: it is .. technically .. but 'cp' knows the difference |
| 22:25.57 | valdyn | Spec: its the oom-killer or oomkiller, somethign like that, in dmesg |
| 22:26.00 | abrotman | JW: apt-cache policy libreadline5 |
| 22:26.03 | ringo999 | valdyn: but what do i do now? really, you don't know how much I appreciate your help, this could cost me my job... |
| 22:26.11 | JW | abrotman: I also have the final "everything" pinning setting shown here: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 22:26.14 | chemist | how do I install a packet from sid on etch? |
| 22:26.22 | valdyn | ringo999: you figure out what your / is and check whats broken on it |
| 22:26.30 | Justin | chemist: you don't... use backports |
| 22:26.33 | abrotman | jw: that's fine .. libreadline5 isn't in the backports |
| 22:26.41 | valdyn | ringo999: i just guess its sda1, but how would I know when you dont tell me |
| 22:26.44 | ringo999 | valdyn: sda1 seems to be it |
| 22:26.48 | JW | abrotman: it's working now when I just install libreadline5 all on it's own |
| 22:26.52 | valdyn | ringo999: whats on that disk? |
| 22:26.59 | abrotman | jw: okay .. then try to install your mysql-server |
| 22:27.03 | ringo999 | everything except /home |
| 22:27.04 | chemist | Justin: sorry for not understanding but what is a backport? |
| 22:27.14 | abrotman | !tell chemist about simple sid backport |
| 22:27.14 | valdyn | ringo999: and /sbin/init = |
| 22:27.19 | abrotman | !tell chemist about bpo |
| 22:27.24 | valdyn | ringo999: go find that /sbin/init |
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| 22:27.44 | ringo999 | valdyn: missing... |
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| 22:28.13 | valdyn | ringo999: "ls var/cache/apt/archives/sysv*" |
| 22:28.14 | chops | JW: Again, can you please pastebin the exact command you're running with the full output? |
| 22:28.18 | rNode | When installing debian and it asks you which system you would like to install where it says Standard System, Web Server etc what will happen if you do not instally any of them? |
| 22:28.25 | chemist | abrotman: thanks, as always |
| 22:28.29 | rNode | abrotman? |
| 22:28.34 | chops | rNode: You'll get a bare system |
| 22:28.41 | valdyn | ringo999: or "ls /path/to/mountpoint/var/cache/apt/archives/sysv*" |
| 22:28.41 | rNode | ok |
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| 22:28.47 | JW | cchops: abrotman: now it's telling me that it can't install because it needs a newer mysql-common even thogh that's one of the things I'm trying to install on the same commandline: apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common libmysqlclient15off |
| 22:28.53 | abrotman | rNode: many people that have used debian for a long time skip the tasksel .. which is what you're referring to |
| 22:28.54 | Nuxis | could it be the belnet mirrors are down? |
| 22:28.59 | abrotman | jw: paste full error |
| 22:29.02 | rNode | chops and then you can do apt-get install xorg core ? |
| 22:29.07 | chops | rNode: You can |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | JW: oh .. you need the -t sarge-backports |
| 22:29.19 | rNode | i just wish to install gnome core with xorg |
| 22:29.22 | rNode | what would the commands be? |
| 22:29.34 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 22:29.34 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 22:29.44 | rNode | setup x |
| 22:29.45 | abrotman | rNode: so .. aptitude install gnome-core gdm xorg (if you want gdm) |
| 22:29.54 | valdyn | ringo999: anything there? |
| 22:29.54 | rNode | what is gdm? |
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| 22:30.02 | abrotman | !tell rNode about gdm |
| 22:30.35 | JW | abrotman: now it's working - I tried that earlier and it wasn't but this works now: apt-get install -t sarge-backports mysql-common |
| 22:30.38 | rNode | so basically gdm is the gui? |
| 22:30.46 | ringo999 | valdyn: by that you mean look in each of thos folders? i only have /var and that has a folder "lock" |
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| 22:31.08 | valdyn | ringo999: var should have another directory "cache" |
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| 22:31.22 | ringo999 | valdyn: doesnt |
| 22:31.28 | valdyn | ringo999: i think you are looking at the totally wrong place, do you understand what mounting means? |
| 22:31.41 | valdyn | ringo999: we are trying to inspect your sda1 filesystem, not the busybox |
| 22:31.52 | valdyn | ringo999: wheres your sda1 mounted? |
| 22:32.02 | DawnLight | hello. i've a sony handycam dcr-dvd106e. does anyone know whether it is possible to make this camera stream it's video through usb to the box? how does this happen on the box's side? v4l? |
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| 22:32.38 | ringo999 | valdyn: sorry for that, of course, i was in the wrong folder |
| 22:32.45 | ringo999 | valdyn: now im on /root |
| 22:32.58 | ringo999 | where sda1 is mounted on |
| 22:33.07 | valdyn | ringo999: ok |
| 22:33.09 | ringo999 | there is no sbin folder |
| 22:33.16 | ringo999 | so i look in var/cache |
| 22:33.19 | valdyn | ringo999: what is there? |
| 22:33.52 | valdyn | ringo999: no sbin directory at all is pretty bad, but ok, let me know if var/cache/apt/archives is there |
| 22:34.25 | ringo999 | yes its there |
| 22:34.43 | valdyn | ringo999: whats insde that directory? any sysvinit* ? |
| 22:34.45 | Spec | valdyn: heh |
| 22:35.00 | Spec | valdyn: i can alt+f1-f7, but i can't log in or anything, and the kernel keeps spewing memory-related messages out to terminal |
| 22:35.08 | Spec | so the kernel's active 'n responding, but none of the tty's/ssh are |
| 22:35.27 | valdyn | Spec: oom-killer can be pretty evil, its killing all but memtest i guess |
| 22:35.41 | ringo999 | valdyn: yes, three files sysv-rc*, sysvinit-utils*, sysvinit_* |
| 22:35.41 | Spec | heh, there's no way to save off dmesg either, ;) |
| 22:35.54 | Spec | so i think i'm gonna try this again, this time with tail and screen goodness |
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| 22:36.01 | bush|werk | i dont know what you're trying to do, i havent been paying attention |
| 22:36.09 | Spec | bush|werk: memtester :p |
| 22:36.13 | bush|werk | so im going to make useless suggestions in an attempt at comic relief |
| 22:36.13 | Spec | 'live' memory tester |
| 22:36.22 | valdyn | Spec: memtester is trying to mlock to much, you cant mlock your complete ram |
| 22:36.23 | Spec | bush|werk: bigger hammer? trust me, i'm about to get a big hammer ;) |
| 22:36.44 | Spec | valdyn: so that's a problem with using the "all" statement? |
| 22:36.52 | Spec | what should I do? 2.0G? 1.5G? |
| 22:37.06 | ringo999 | valdyn: what do i do with the file? |
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| 22:37.43 | valdyn | ringo999: try running "chroot /root" |
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| 22:38.10 | ringo999 | valdyn: cannot execute /bin/sh: not a directory |
| 22:38.19 | valdyn | ringo999: ah, busybox sucks.. |
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| 22:38.53 | valdyn | ringo999: you still have several options, but at your level of knowledge a reinstall is a good idea, you dont have to loose the crypto volumes that way |
| 22:39.17 | valdyn | ringo999: the 2nd and harder option is useing a livecd and fixing things from there |
| 22:39.36 | valdyn | ringo999: in both cases you can and probably should use a livecd to do backups |
| 22:39.46 | ringo999 | hmmm... well, the most important thing is that I dont loose my data on /home |
| 22:39.53 | abrotman | lose |
| 22:40.03 | bush|werk | pet peeve? |
| 22:40.03 | ringo999 | abrotman: ;-) |
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| 22:40.13 | abrotman | JW: glad to see it's working ... even if it is mysql :) |
| 22:40.20 | valdyn | ringo999: your $HOME is fine, you can even mount it from busybox i would think |
| 22:40.35 | abrotman | JW: as an FYI .. security support for sarge ends in a few months .. you probably ought to think about upgrading that box to etch |
| 22:40.40 | ringo999 | valdyn: buts its encrypted? |
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| 22:40.49 | valdyn | ringo999: its currently unlocked already |
| 22:40.58 | valdyn | ringo999: as i can see on your screenshot |
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| 22:41.09 | ringo999 | so i can mount it and access it? |
| 22:41.34 | valdyn | ringo999: try, i dont know enough about this crypto stuff to tell, but i can clearly see that you entered some passphrase and that went ok |
| 22:41.43 | nix_chix0r | every time i try to apt-get install something it says it cannot be found and i have it updated |
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| 22:42.13 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: well, what kind of things are you trying to install? |
| 22:42.26 | nix_chix0r | pfff drwahl just xchat and pidgin |
| 22:42.35 | nix_chix0r | i'm sick of chatzilla |
| 22:42.40 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: did u do apt-get update first? |
| 22:42.43 | ringo999 | ok trying to do "mount /dev/sd5 /mnt" i get device or resource busy |
| 22:42.46 | nix_chix0r | yeah |
| 22:42.54 | valdyn | ringo999: why the hell sda5 |
| 22:43.07 | valdyn | ringo999: you have 2 lvm volumes inside a volume group that resides on sda5 |
| 22:43.17 | ringo999 | hmmm... |
| 22:43.20 | nix_chix0r | and got the repository list in /etc/something/something/.something |
| 22:43.22 | nix_chix0r | i cant remmeber |
| 22:43.23 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: have you tried to run the programs (i.e. pidgen)? |
| 22:43.32 | valdyn | ringo999: the volumes are the /dev/mapper/ contents or /dev/dm-0 and /dev/dm-1 |
| 22:43.34 | nix_chix0r | run them how |
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| 22:43.43 | ringo999 | valdyn: so i should try to mount those |
| 22:43.57 | valdyn | ringo999: sure |
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| 22:44.11 | drwahl | in a gui (kde, gnome, etc.) Alt+F2 should bring up the run command and just type 'pidgin' or 'xchat' (minus the tick marks) |
| 22:44.25 | ringo999 | valdyn: bingo |
| 22:44.25 | nix_chix0r | drwahl, how would that work, if its not installed |
| 22:44.33 | Nuxis | dpkg: ping |
| 22:44.33 | dpkg | pong |
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| 22:44.46 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: i am trying to verify that it is actually not installed. maybe somehow you missed something |
| 22:44.52 | nix_chix0r | oh |
| 22:44.55 | nix_chix0r | let me check |
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| 22:44.58 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: its called troublshooting :) |
| 22:45.04 | Spec | valdyn: heya, dmesg is interesting |
| 22:45.07 | nix_chix0r | yeah i'm sorry drwahl |
| 22:45.07 | ringo999 | valdyn: so what is a good way to make a backup? you say live cd and then? |
| 22:45.11 | nix_chix0r | one sec |
| 22:45.16 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: np |
| 22:45.20 | Spec | valdyn: says i've got 2047 usable ram, and the upper ram is not usable (by the bios ram map) |
| 22:45.25 | nix_chix0r | lap top has like no battery life it fails so i have to keep it plugged in |
| 22:45.35 | Spec | valdyn: so that's pretty much telling me linux won't touch the reserved ram...just memtest fails to read the ram-map correctly |
| 22:45.52 | ringo999 | valdyn: when i do the reinstall, my /home should stay right? |
| 22:45.53 | Spec | the offending address is in the unusable/reserved block...so, i think i'm good. |
| 22:46.16 | Spec | ringo999: back your data up first. |
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| 22:46.44 | ringo999 | valdyn: now i need to find an external harddrive... i think i only have fat32s or ntfs available.. |
| 22:46.57 | Spec | fat32 is perfectly readable |
| 22:47.06 | ringo999 | valdyn: thanks you so much for helping me out with this. you are saving my "life" |
| 22:47.09 | Spec | err, and writable. |
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| 22:47.29 | ringo999 | and backup, just copy/paste? |
| 22:47.52 | nix_chix0r | ok drwahl so not installed, i also want firefox |
| 22:47.55 | nix_chix0r | checked them all |
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| 22:48.18 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: ok, try "apt-cache search show pidgin" |
| 22:48.20 | drwahl | see what it says |
| 22:48.21 | PrinceAMD | hi everyone , i am using wget and when i put a url in it shows, some info and a nice process bar, i only want to see the process bar is this possible? |
| 22:49.32 | Spec | valdyn: actually, counting the numbers correctly...it's in the "acpi data" range |
| 22:49.33 | abrotman | nix_chix0r: use gaim and iceweasel if you're on etch |
| 22:49.39 | Spec | that's interesting. |
| 22:50.03 | drwahl | abrotman: did gaim not get switched to pidgin in etch? |
| 22:50.07 | abrotman | no |
| 22:50.09 | nix_chix0r | drwahl, when i do that and enter, it just brings me back to my misspwnage:/home/misspwn# , command promt |
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| 22:50.12 | abrotman | but it is basically pidgin .. |
| 22:50.15 | nix_chix0r | and abrotman i do not like iceweasel |
| 22:50.21 | abrotman | it's like gaim1.99rc42134326535.34534534532 |
| 22:50.26 | abrotman | nix_chix0r: it's the same as firefox |
| 22:50.27 | drwahl | lol |
| 22:50.44 | nix_chix0r | i feel connected to firefox:( |
| 22:50.59 | nix_chix0r | anyway browser is not important because, it all gets to the same internet |
| 22:51.10 | nix_chix0r | but i'm really sick of chatzilla , and not having gaim or pidgin |
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| 22:51.49 | drwahl | hmm... it seems as though apt isnt getting info from the repos. i'm not sure where to go from here. maybe some one a little more intellegent could assist you. |
| 22:51.51 | Nuxis | abrotman: I hate iceweasel too :) the name sucks |
| 22:52.08 | Spec | i block IE users from my webservers, thus making the firefox-internet a superior internets over IE-ternets. |
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| 22:52.58 | drwahl | Spec: it goes both ways. check out www.silkroadonline.net |
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| 22:53.04 | drwahl | they do the same thing in revers |
| 22:53.45 | Spec | but i don't want to see a website that blocks standards-compliant web browsers ^.^ |
| 22:53.54 | drwahl | lol |
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| 22:54.02 | nix_chix0r | drwahl yeah |
| 22:54.24 | nix_chix0r | drwahl, i updated /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:54.33 | nix_chix0r | with |
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| 22:55.02 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: wait... what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list? can u pastebin.com it? |
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| 22:55.10 | nix_chix0r | gawed |
| 22:55.13 | nix_chix0r | i'm not on my laptop:D |
| 22:55.18 | ushdfgakkj | why is /usr/apt/sources.list commented out if the installer can't find the servers? |
| 22:55.22 | nix_chix0r | and the wireless aint workin |
| 22:55.39 | nix_chix0r | i had to work to get the darn ethernet to work |
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| 22:55.52 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: well, the other thing i think MIGHT be happening would be that the repos in sources.list are down. |
| 22:56.00 | nix_chix0r | hmmm |
| 22:56.01 | Nuxis | repos are down |
| 22:56.06 | Nuxis | can't do apt-get update |
| 22:56.09 | nepbabu | what the heck is this error? /usr/bin/md5sum: core: Permission denied |
| 22:56.12 | nix_chix0r | well then |
| 22:56.15 | Nuxis | + ping say it doesn"t exist |
| 22:56.17 | nix_chix0r | it cant be a user error! |
| 22:56.20 | nix_chix0r | i dont feel so bad |
| 22:56.35 | drwahl | nepbabu: you can not check the md5sum because your user does not have permissions |
| 22:57.01 | nepbabu | drwahl, hmm... lemme see |
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| 22:57.29 | drwahl | nepbabu: either use 'su' then put in the root password (assuming you have it) or use sudo if you have that setup |
| 22:58.04 | nepbabu | drwahl, /usr/bin/md5sum .mailcap (as normal user) =>85134d9b75877f9201547d7e8ccfc40e .mailcap |
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| 22:58.15 | nepbabu | drwahl, i don't think it's to with perms |
| 22:58.24 | ushdfgakkj | wait, repos are down? |
| 22:58.39 | ushdfgakkj | as in security.deb.org lenny/updates etc |
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| 22:58.52 | drwahl | nepbabu: define "normal user". do you mean the same user you are trying to do it with now? |
| 22:59.02 | nepbabu | drwahl, normal user. non-superuser |
| 22:59.09 | nepbabu | drwahl, non-root |
| 22:59.31 | nepbabu | drwahl, and yes. |
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| 22:59.46 | drwahl | nepbabu: my point being, a "normal" user (by your definetion) may not be able to access a second "normal" users stuff. |
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| 23:00.09 | coolStar | hi..i tried to apt-get update after a new install |
| 23:00.11 | coolStar | i get error |
| 23:00.15 | nepbabu | ok |
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| 23:00.20 | coolStar | "Method bzip2 died unexpectedly" |
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| 23:00.38 | drwahl | lol, bzip didnt compile correctly. |
| 23:00.43 | coolStar | "Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 did not start correctly" |
| 23:00.44 | drwahl | coolStar: how did u install? |
| 23:00.54 | drwahl | coolStar: via net-install? |
| 23:01.02 | coolStar | installed to usb stick. from livecd |
| 23:01.15 | Eulex | coolStar, ldd /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 |
| 23:01.25 | coolStar | k, moment |
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| 23:02.01 | coolStar | Eulex: it says not a dymaic executable |
| 23:02.04 | coolStar | dynamic |
| 23:02.15 | ushdfgakk | anybody? |
| 23:02.19 | ushdfgakk | apt repos down? yes? no? |
| 23:02.29 | Eulex | coolStar, ls -al /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 |
| 23:02.33 | coolStar | k |
| 23:02.46 | drwahl | ushdfgakk: there are many repos. but mine seem to be working fine (by mine, i mean ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 23:03.14 | coolStar | Eulex: i get ... -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root etc etc etc |
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| 23:03.25 | drwahl | etc etc etc ? |
| 23:03.29 | drwahl | odd... |
| 23:03.33 | coolStar | no no :) |
| 23:03.35 | drwahl | err... |
| 23:03.36 | drwahl | lol |
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| 23:03.44 | drwahl | ok... i'm almost off work... its been a long day |
| 23:04.06 | coolStar | after root root, i get 15176 2007-02-26 12:21 /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 |
| 23:04.08 | drwahl | i really shoudla caught that |
| 23:04.11 | Eulex | coolStar, what's the etc etc etc part? |
| 23:04.12 | ushdfgakkj | ok, question number two, how do I make it so debian boots in terminal? |
| 23:04.31 | smr | just started playing with lenny and xen. where do I find dom0 kernel? |
| 23:04.36 | Eulex | coolStar, if you run /usr/lib/apt/methods/bzip2 , what happens? |
| 23:04.57 | coolStar | it says cannot execute binary file |
| 23:05.09 | coolStar | and i am root |
| 23:05.11 | karsten | coolStar: Perms? |
| 23:05.21 | karsten | coolStar: filesystem mounted noexec? |
| 23:05.43 | Eulex | coolStar, wait, you said that you installed _from_ a live cd? afaik, the debian live cd doesn't support installation. |
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| 23:06.07 | drwahl | ushdfgakk: i am not sure the answer to your question, but some info that might help: debian differs from many other distros here. ALL init levels run with a gui. in redhat/fedora, slackware, and some others, setting the default init level to 2 would do the trick |
| 23:06.21 | Eulex | coolStar, what distro is this? |
| 23:06.23 | ushdfgakkj | init levels? |
| 23:06.24 | drwahl | ushdfgakk: there is something you have to edit in inittab though, iirc |
| 23:06.30 | ushdfgakkj | gotcha |
| 23:06.54 | ushdfgakkj | linux is like a big quilt |
| 23:06.54 | coolStar | kanotix :) but i asked the apt-get issue here..cos its a debian command, thats why |
| 23:07.06 | ushdfgakkj | made of the skin of slaughtered natives, etc |
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| 23:07.18 | Eulex | coolStar, no, they have rebuilt and patched it, ask them. |
| 23:07.21 | Eulex | !kanotix |
| 23:07.21 | dpkg | kanotix is probably not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix @ irc.freenode.net, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian> |
| 23:07.41 | ushdfgakkj | dpkg is smart |
| 23:07.45 | ushdfgakkj | i like him |
| 23:08.02 | coolStar | i asked kano, he is not sure about this error |
| 23:08.14 | JW | Anyone have a way to get java 1.6 on Sarge? The java-package script "make-jpkg" does not "recognise" the j2se bin that I've downloaded from Sun |
| 23:08.31 | coolStar | just checking the bzip2 file..it has execute perimission enabled on it |
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| 23:08.41 | Eulex | coolStar, well, we can't help you, the kanotix guys screwed up in some way |
| 23:08.54 | karsten | coolStar: /join #kanotix |
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| 23:09.07 | drwahl | JW: did you try apt-get install jre? that might not be the right package name, bit its close, apt-cache search jre if its wrong |
| 23:09.08 | JW | I think because the script wasn't made for anything higher than java 1.5 |
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| 23:09.43 | coolStar | wat does this fstab option mean? errors=remount-ro ? |
| 23:09.58 | Eulex | coolStar, on errors, remount read-only |
| 23:09.58 | TuxCrafter | bye guys thanks for the help |
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| 23:10.00 | ushdfgakkj | i fstabed him right in his fscking sources.list |
| 23:10.15 | ushdfgakkj | let's see him recompile after that |
| 23:10.23 | coolStar | lol |
| 23:10.26 | coolStar | Eulex: ok thanks |
| 23:10.35 | coolStar | so it might have mounted readonly? |
| 23:10.37 | coolStar | :) |
| 23:10.37 | JW | drwahl: ti's only version 1.5, I need 1.6 |
| 23:10.52 | coolStar | cos upon bootup..it said errors found..rebooting |
| 23:10.53 | Eulex | coolStar, if so, you would still be able to execute it. |
| 23:10.57 | JW | drwahl: I already have 1.5 installed, need to upgrade |
| 23:11.01 | coolStar | ah right ok |
| 23:11.22 | coolStar | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:11.38 | karsten | coolStar: The current mount status should be propperly reflected in /proc/mounts. /etc/mtab is only roughly accurate, and not at all if the root FS is mounted ro. |
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| 23:12.21 | Nyle | hello! |
| 23:12.27 | ushdfgakkj | hi nyle |
| 23:12.32 | ringo999 | Spec: so if i want to do backup, what is the best way? |
| 23:12.32 | ushdfgakkj | how are you today |
| 23:12.44 | Nyle | I am great, thank you. |
| 23:12.47 | karsten | ringo999: Succsessfully. |
| 23:13.05 | ringo999 | karsten: ;-) |
| 23:13.14 | ringo999 | karsten: well, just copy/paste? |
| 23:13.16 | karsten | ringo999: rsync to removable HD is probably the most popular these days. I'm still a fan of tar to tape, weekly full, daily incremental. |
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| 23:13.26 | coolStar | how can view mounts file? |
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| 23:13.31 | coolStar | opened with kwrite..its blank |
| 23:13.34 | karsten | ringo999: Removeable generally means external USB/Firewire drive. |
| 23:13.39 | Eulex | coolStar, cat |
| 23:13.49 | coolStar | cat /proc/mounts? |
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| 23:14.22 | Eulex | ye |
| 23:14.28 | ushdfgakkj | making dirty jokes about linux nomenclature |
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| 23:14.53 | Eulex | !sex |
| 23:14.54 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 23:15.01 | Nyle | man condom |
| 23:15.08 | coolStar | mounted as: |
| 23:15.09 | Nyle | funny-manpages |
| 23:15.13 | ringo999 | karsten: i dont think i have access to rsync, my system crashed and i have to reinstall, so now i only have access to busybox, the drive i want to backup is encrypted... |
| 23:15.18 | ushdfgakkj | how do you people learn all the dpkg commands |
| 23:15.27 | Nyle | man dpkg |
| 23:15.28 | coolStar | ext3 rw,erros=remount-ro, data=ordered 0 0 |
| 23:15.31 | karsten | ringo999: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:15.40 | karsten | ringo999: I'd pull out a Knoppix disk at about this point. |
| 23:15.41 | coolStar | so, nothing wrong with that |
| 23:15.43 | Eulex | ushdfgakk, /msg dpkg help, /msg dpkg listkeys <key>, /msg dpkg listvalues <value> |
| 23:15.55 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 23:15.56 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 23:16.03 | karsten | ringo999: ... and why would your system crashing require a reinstall? |
| 23:16.17 | ringo999 | karsten: but will i have access to my luks encrypted /home (dev/dm-1) drive? |
| 23:16.26 | karsten | ringo999: I suspect there's either something much simpler at hand, or deeper, and either way backup/reinstall doesn't particularly matter. |
| 23:16.50 | ringo999 | valdyn: tried to help and that was his conclusion... |
| 23:16.57 | karsten | ringo999: Not sure of that. If it's symmetrically encrypted (eg: you just have a password/passphrase), I think the answer is yes. |
| 23:17.07 | coolStar | difference between ext2 and ext3 filesystems? |
| 23:17.13 | karsten | ringo999: If you need a PKI keypair and you've lost one or both halves, you're f*cked. |
| 23:17.17 | karsten | coolStar: 1 |
| 23:17.19 | dkr | coolStar: journaling |
| 23:17.24 | coolStar | ext2? |
| 23:17.26 | ringo999 | karsten: have a look... http://picpaste.com/P1070040.JPG |
| 23:17.46 | karsten | dkr: I like my answer better. |
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| 23:17.46 | drwahl | !ext3 |
| 23:17.47 | dpkg | i heard ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>. |
| 23:17.51 | dkr | ext3 = ext2 + journaling |
| 23:17.53 | ringo999 | karsten: its not about the keys, the battery went out and fked something up... |
| 23:18.23 | karsten | ringo999: that doesn't look to healthy. |
| 23:18.25 | Nyle | !fs comparison |
| 23:18.25 | coolStar | ahh right..last time i used ext2 to install on usb stick..and it worked flawlessly...this time i used ext3... |
| 23:18.25 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 23:18.28 | ringo999 | karsten: right now i have access to the encrypted drive, so first prio is backup |
| 23:18.31 | coolStar | i dont think that should be an issue right? |
| 23:18.36 | karsten | ringo999: I'd be researching encrypted FS recovery about now. |
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| 23:19.00 | karsten | ringo999: You can access the drive as an encrypted blob, or you can read the cleartext? |
| 23:19.01 | ringo999 | karsten: yeah, but first backup |
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| 23:19.25 | karsten | ringo999: scp, rsync, tar. Whatever. |
| 23:19.28 | ringo999 | karsten: cleartext, the luks passphrase was accepted... |
| 23:19.36 | Nyle | hm |
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| 23:19.42 | Eulex | coolStar, #kanotix |
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| 23:20.00 | karsten | ringo999: You've got busybox and that's it right now? |
| 23:20.01 | ringo999 | karsten: yep, i guess tar will do it. freeing space in external drive right now so that might take a while |
| 23:20.20 | karsten | ringo999: Compress the results. |
| 23:20.39 | karsten | ringo999: If you can access the data, I'd just fix whatever the boot issue is. That really shouldn't matter a whole lot. |
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| 23:22.07 | Spee_Der | good night folks, I'm really not feeling well. Perhaps tomorrow will be better for me. Ciao ciao. |
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| 23:24.15 | ringo999 | karsten: yes only busy box, i'd love to fix the boot issue, but i have no idea how. also, i dont really have time for "experiments". i need the system back up running in 6h |
| 23:24.29 | karsten | OK |
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| 23:25.13 | karsten | ringo999: busybox should give you tar and nc (netcat), as well gzip, which is pretty much all you need. |
| 23:26.39 | karsten | ringo999: Configure your networking. (ifconfig is available too). On the *receiving* host: nc -l -p <portnumber>. On the *sending* host: tar cvf <path> - | nc remotehost <portnumber> |
| 23:27.02 | karsten | ringo999: ... netcat's just raw tcp data transfer, no encryption or auth, but very useful for this sort of thing. |
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| 23:27.48 | pepve | netcat is awesome :) |
| 23:27.53 | karsten | ringo999: This assumes you can get networking configured. Otherwise, as I said, I'd try Knoppix and see if it will read your luks drive. |
| 23:28.02 | CrashSys | When I do a mkinitrd on sarge, it doesn't put both my drives in the script file for the linux raid... anyone know where mkinitrd determines the drives for the raid array? |
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| 23:30.01 | drwahl | i am trying to get php5 working with my apache2 install. when i click on a php link on my webpage, it prompts me to download the page (instead of running the php script). from what i understand, this means that php is not installed/configured correctly. is anyone able to assist me with this? |
| 23:31.13 | ringo999 | karsten: how about just tar-ing it to the external drive? |
| 23:31.20 | By_Turkey | www.MircAlemTR.com <- Turkey GirlS Chat ChanneL Enter here please. |
| 23:31.34 | ringo999 | i dont know netcat |
| 23:31.42 | pepve | drwahl, I assume you read the configs and are sick of it by now? |
| 23:31.49 | pepve | ringo999, google it |
| 23:32.14 | drwahl | pepve: i have read the logs and i must be missing something |
| 23:32.35 | karsten | ringo999: The problem with that is having the drivers available for usb/firewire. |
| 23:32.38 | pepve | let me check if mine is working |
| 23:32.40 | karsten | ringo999: If you can do that, great. |
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| 23:33.04 | ringo999 | its no problem if its 32gb? |
| 23:33.19 | karsten | ringo999: That's why I *still* recommend doing this from Knoppix. You've got more tools and better support. There's more than one way to do it (TMTOWTDI) though. |
| 23:33.32 | drwahl | pepve: the logs were relatively useless. they really only showed me that they user requested that page. not how apache tried to process it |
| 23:33.34 | karsten | ringo999: nc shouldn't care. If it does, use 'split'. |
| 23:33.45 | o2T7 | pepve: If it is working correctly ( as it is doing, since you get prompted for downloading) you'll find nothing relevant in the logs. |
| 23:33.49 | ringo999 | ok, would love to try knoppic, just dont know about the luks part |
| 23:33.51 | o2T7 | sorry |
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| 23:33.57 | o2T7 | drwahl* |
| 23:34.26 | Nyle | what? |
| 23:34.32 | drwahl | o2T7: hmm... not sure why its doing what it is then, becuase i dont really see anything in the logs... |
| 23:35.39 | nix_chix0r | drwahl, i have a silly question for you, what is the difference install wise from a .gz file and binary |
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| 23:35.46 | EstaTiC_FeAR | hi |
| 23:35.46 | AwesomeGuy | hello EstaTiC_FeAR |
| 23:35.51 | nix_chix0r | i might just install it all manually |
| 23:35.56 | nix_chix0r | but there are so many options |
| 23:35.57 | EstaTiC_FeAR | anyone can help me about seting up proftpd with ispcp ? |
| 23:36.18 | EstaTiC_FeAR | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 23:36.19 | EstaTiC_FeAR | it shows this |
| 23:36.26 | EstaTiC_FeAR | when i try ftp localhost |
| 23:36.30 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: .gz is something that you MIGHT have to compile on your own. a binary includes a program to assist with the install |
| 23:36.50 | EstaTiC_FeAR | i use debian sarge with kernel 2.6.802 |
| 23:36.52 | EstaTiC_FeAR | i use debian sarge with kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 23:37.01 | nix_chix0r | alright, |
| 23:37.07 | nix_chix0r | ill just compile it myself |
| 23:37.13 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: a .gz just means that there are files that are zipped together. they can be the source files, or it could be a binary that is zipped |
| 23:37.14 | nix_chix0r | so i dont get so annoyed |
| 23:37.20 | drwahl | sounds fair to me :) |
| 23:37.34 | nix_chix0r | yeah getting sick of apt get to be honest |
| 23:37.53 | nix_chix0r | i heard yum is less annoying |
| 23:37.57 | drwahl | sick of apt!? i LOVE apt |
| 23:38.03 | drwahl | nah, yum is a pain in the butt |
| 23:38.05 | EstaTiC_FeAR | so anyone can help me? |
| 23:38.13 | nix_chix0r | i've never used fedora so |
| 23:38.20 | drwahl | EstaTiC_FeAR: reading your question... |
| 23:38.23 | o2T7 | please, `yum remove yum` |
| 23:38.27 | nix_chix0r | lol |
| 23:38.42 | EstaTiC_FeAR | drwahl it's for server |
| 23:39.02 | EstaTiC_FeAR | and i simply am getting crazy becouse with config of ispcp it don't work |
| 23:39.11 | EstaTiC_FeAR | and with original config it works |
| 23:39.16 | drwahl | EstaTiC_FeAR: not sure if i can help ya. maybe some one how knows proftp a little better will show up soon |
| 23:39.18 | EstaTiC_FeAR | and i don't know what to do or where to ask |
| 23:39.30 | EstaTiC_FeAR | i think there is problem conecting it with mysql |
| 23:39.35 | EstaTiC_FeAR | but i don't know what where or how |
| 23:39.46 | drwahl | EstaTiC_FeAR: its possible. mysql can cause problems from time to time |
| 23:39.48 | nix_chix0r | drwahl, or i could just create a shel:P |
| 23:39.53 | nix_chix0r | shell* |
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| 23:41.35 | nix_chix0r | i use a ssl at werk |
| 23:41.37 | nix_chix0r | :D |
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| 23:43.32 | drwahl | nix_chix0r: ya |
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| 23:49.00 | Nyle | hm |
| 23:49.07 | Nyle | ok |
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