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| 00:00.38 | ftp3 | so, i installed debian on a brand new machine, new hd.. i rebooted.. and now my prompt is non stop ...................................................... etc forever.. just keeps adding .'s |
| 00:00.41 | ftp3 | what causes that? |
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| 00:01.36 | danand | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.41 | danand | oops |
| 00:02.00 | jaj | I'm running a debian server on etch and I'd like to install ejabberd but I get configuration errors when the install routine runs the rc script |
| 00:02.01 | ushdfgakk | giving head to rodin's "the age of iron" |
| 00:02.41 | jaj | and then the server runs very unreliably and I have to kill some processes of it manually after /etc/init.d/ejabberd stop |
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| 00:03.39 | jaj | I thought I could install the sid package through apt-get pinning to see if it works better but apt-get somehow ignores my -t unstable parameter |
| 00:03.59 | blueyed_ | Does "python -c 'from OpenGL.GL import *'" work in Debian unstable (package python-opengl)? |
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| 00:04.21 | jaj | when I do an apt-get install ejabberd/unstable it tries to install the unstable package but fails to meet the dependencies |
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| 00:04.50 | jaj | when I do apt-get install -t unstable ejabberd it just installs the stable package |
| 00:06.00 | jaj | does anybody have any experience with ejabberd or does anybody know why my ustable install fails? |
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| 00:06.34 | blueyed_ | jaj: check /etc/apt/preferences (for pin-priority and such, maybe -t ignores -1 pinned packages?) |
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| 00:07.45 | jaj | blueyed_: I have stable 1001, testing 60 and unstable 50 as priorities |
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| 00:08.45 | blueyed_ | jaj: well.. try to lower stable to e.g. 950 |
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| 00:09.35 | blueyed_ | jaj: according to "man apt-get" -t creates a prio of 990.. so that should work. |
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| 00:11.26 | jaj | blueyed_: indeed, it now fetches unstable, thanks! |
| 00:11.27 | ringo999 | alright, i have booted my system with knoppix live cd, now i would like to mount a drive that is encrypted with dm-crypt luks, how to do? |
| 00:11.52 | Xenguy | JFGI |
| 00:12.09 | Xenguy | !dm-crypt |
| 00:12.17 | Xenguy | nah, a longshot |
| 00:12.50 | Xenguy | ringo999: sorry, nm, thought you were trying to find out how to encrypt the drive |
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| 00:13.42 | jaj | It tries to upgrade glibc and that errors out |
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| 00:15.31 | nix_chix0r | drwahl: got a shell:) |
| 00:15.33 | nix_chix0r | yay |
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| 00:16.52 | Sledg1 | jaj: What was the error? |
| 00:18.07 | Joelito | hi guys, I already got the debian-multimedia repo added in my sources.list, where can I find info about which packages do I need to add quicktime, realmedia, etc., file type to play it? |
| 00:18.48 | lsec | apt-cache serach quicktime does not help? |
| 00:18.59 | abrotman | Joelito: w32codecs |
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| 00:20.18 | jaj | Sl3dgY: http://rafb.net/p/IS8BHF68.html |
| 00:20.45 | Sl3dgY | ah yes |
| 00:20.50 | Sl3dgY | I was having that issue |
| 00:20.56 | Joelito | abrotman: Thanks :) |
| 00:21.21 | Sl3dgY | there is a bug in the package dealing with the files in /lib/tls |
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| 00:21.36 | Sl3dgY | if you rm the files in /lib/tls it will install correctly |
| 00:21.55 | dmarkey | how can i get debian to supply a hostname with a dhcp request(as a client) |
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| 00:22.24 | abrotman | look at the dhclient config |
| 00:22.26 | jaj | Sl3dgY: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 00:22.46 | Joelito | another question, maybe this is not the right place, but how can I use *real* transparency in the console (gnome 2.14), because the transparency effect only use the desktop background. |
| 00:23.11 | abrotman | Joelito: it depends on your terminal emulator |
| 00:23.22 | dmarkey | ah yes #send host-name "andare.fugue.com" |
| 00:23.22 | dmarkey | ? |
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| 00:24.10 | Joelito | abrotman: the one that came in gnome |
| 00:24.13 | wd | what app configs pcmcia modem so i can hook up and get sources? |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | Joelito: that' doesn't help |
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| 00:24.43 | abrotman | wd: wvdial or pppconfig |
| 00:24.59 | wd | abrotman, concole, i have no X yet? |
| 00:25.04 | wd | *console |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | yes .. both console |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | i don't even know a GUI ppp config tool |
| 00:25.21 | wd | abrotman, ty |
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| 00:26.49 | jaj | Sl3dgY: now I get a different one: http://rafb.net/p/qsKlZY34.html |
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| 00:27.31 | Joelito | abrotman: ok, one more question, I'm using etch...how can I add a bootscreen to my debian? |
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| 00:27.50 | abrotman | Joelito: no idea .. don't use them .. i don't watch my computer boot |
| 00:28.24 | zinx | joelito: apt-cache search bootsplash |
| 00:29.03 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you're missing all the fun |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 00:29.29 | jetscreamer | yes, by not watching your computer boot |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:29.59 | anxt | do not mount --bind /var to nothingness if you want your computer not to crash |
| 00:30.06 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 00:30.08 | anxt | i just learned that teehee |
| 00:30.34 | anxt | Joelito, you need to patch kernel and recompile with bootsplash patch |
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| 00:31.23 | Joelito | anxt: oh, ok....zinx: thanks for the tip |
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| 00:32.01 | nix_chix0r | question again, manually instaling pidgin on debian and for some reason 'make'doesnt work as a command |
| 00:32.18 | grendal_prime | i need to check if a vpn connection is up..what would be the most realiable way of doing that |
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| 00:32.25 | grendal_prime | it would be a tun device. |
| 00:32.27 | anxt | Joelito, it is quite easy to do |
| 00:32.39 | anxt | google "8.6 debian kernel" |
| 00:32.47 | grendal_prime | im pretty sure i could grep for it..but i want to make sure that is the best way of doing that |
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| 00:32.58 | anxt | and also google "bootsplash patch 2.6.blah" |
| 00:33.01 | nix_chix0r | i havent had to do a manual install in years but i still remember how to do it |
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| 00:34.06 | jaj | I guess apt-get doesn't like me, it always does that to me |
| 00:34.15 | nix_chix0r | ruh roh never mind the config log basically tells me the compiler is borked |
| 00:34.17 | nix_chix0r | ;p |
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| 00:34.38 | nix_chix0r | jaj: i cant get apt-get goin right now |
| 00:34.45 | Supaplex | how can I fill fillable pdfs? pdftk isn't quite what I think I need... |
| 00:34.51 | jetscreamer | astro, doggie |
| 00:34.55 | nix_chix0r | otherwise id have pidgin, and i wouldnt have to grab a shell for irssi |
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| 00:35.32 | daedra | is there anyway to set up access to mimic ubuntu's sudo system? |
| 00:35.48 | daedra | i am using etch4.0r3 |
| 00:36.18 | jaj | nix_chix0r: I prefer irssi over pidgin anytime |
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| 00:37.05 | jaj | especially as long as I don't have my jabber account back :( |
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| 00:38.41 | Supaplex | ahhh fsckit. i'll install acroread. grr |
| 00:39.00 | Sl3dgY | jaj: That sort out the glibc issue? |
| 00:39.36 | dondelelcaro | !fill in pdfs |
| 00:40.17 | dondelelcaro | !fill pdf forms |
| 00:40.18 | dpkg | pdftk input foo.pdf generate_fdf > foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk input foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
| 00:40.22 | dondelelcaro | Sl3dgY: see above. |
| 00:40.29 | dondelelcaro | err, Supaplex, see above. |
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| 00:40.36 | daedra | <3 irssi |
| 00:40.39 | jaj | Sl3dgY: nope, I got an "unknown error" from apt-get, on top of that my server is now down for unknown reasons, seems to be one of those days. I pasted a url with the error message above. |
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| 00:40.54 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: using vim, it's just muck. :P |
| 00:41.01 | ringo999 | valdyn: are you still there? i tried to go with knoppix cd, but i have no idea how to mount the encrypted volume. do you remember how we got it to work from within the busybox? |
| 00:41.02 | jaj | Sl3dgY: http://rafb.net/p/qsKlZY34.html |
| 00:41.09 | Supaplex | it has some structure, but it's all weird |
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| 00:41.18 | Sl3dgY | ah missed that |
| 00:41.18 | daedra | is there a support channel? |
| 00:41.21 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: following those instructions? |
| 00:41.24 | ringo999 | valdyn: somethin with proc |
| 00:41.28 | dondelelcaro | daedra: support channel for what? |
| 00:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: can you put up the pdf? |
| 00:41.51 | daedra | etch |
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| 00:42.21 | dondelelcaro | daedra: yes, this is a channel that supports etch. |
| 00:42.23 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: yeah. 1m www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw9.pdf |
| 00:42.30 | daedra | dondelelcaro: toastuy |
| 00:42.52 | daedra | arrg it's too late for touch typing *cheats* |
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| 00:43.37 | DawnLight | exim is a real toughy to learn |
| 00:45.11 | DawnLight | mmm... irs... tasty |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | it is? |
| 00:45.18 | ringo999 | hmm... when i issue the cmd "df" its says /proc/mounts: no such files or directory... i dont really know what im doing, but valdyn helped me before so i could maunt my volumes... |
| 00:45.41 | Supaplex | ringo999: is /proc mounted? :) |
| 00:45.54 | dreyfus | ringo999: mount -a && df |
| 00:46.18 | ringo999 | Supaplex: nope its not |
| 00:46.23 | DawnLight | yup. i get frustrated with each sentance abrotman |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:46.40 | ringo999 | dreyfus: not working, im stuck in a busybox since my system didnt boot correctly |
| 00:46.59 | daedra | ooh I appear to have a similar problem to ringo999 |
| 00:46.59 | daedra | I have a fresh netinstall of etch and can't mount any other partitions |
| 00:47.07 | ringo999 | Supaplex: got it, thanks |
| 00:47.08 | Supaplex | adobe bastages! dpkg: error processing AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 00:47.33 | Supaplex | they don't have 64bit. grrr |
| 00:47.38 | dreyfus | ringo999: mount -t procfs none /proc |
| 00:47.55 | daedra | i can "see" them in /dev but mount /dev/* doesn't work "nothing in /dev" |
| 00:48.17 | DawnLight | is there really a difference between how their Reader shows pdfs and the way free software does? |
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| 00:48.22 | RudyValencia | no |
| 00:48.25 | RudyValencia | there sholdn't |
| 00:48.26 | ringo999 | dreyfus: it worked |
| 00:48.36 | Supaplex | DawnLight: try filling in a fillable pdf |
| 00:48.42 | ringo999 | dreyfus: now i need to find a way to mount my external fat32 disk |
| 00:48.43 | DawnLight | gotcha |
| 00:48.53 | ringo999 | im still new to linux. how to do? |
| 00:49.01 | dreyfus | ringo999: fdisk -l |
| 00:49.01 | Polleke | ringo999, now the question is why on earth proc wasnt mounted in the first place |
| 00:49.08 | ringo999 | do i need to load certain modules? |
| 00:49.47 | ringo999 | Polleke: because my system is messed up, the battery went out and the system crashed. now im trying ot do a backup and reinstall |
| 00:50.11 | ringo999 | dreyfus: is this really the correct command? |
| 00:50.26 | dreyfus | fdisk -l ? |
| 00:50.35 | Polleke | ringo999, are you in single user mode by any chance? |
| 00:51.01 | o2T7 | Which could be the reason for `man 3 sleep` not being in place? |
| 00:51.17 | dreyfus | ringo999: i'ld try mount the root system && after chroot... |
| 00:51.36 | daedra | oh its fstab |
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| 00:51.41 | Polleke | o2T7, missing dev packages? |
| 00:51.56 | ringo999 | Polleke: tried that same effect |
| 00:52.00 | o2T7 | Polleke: Thank You ;) |
| 00:52.10 | ringo999 | dreyfus: i mounted /root, but what does chroot do? |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | o2T7: manpages-dev most likely |
| 00:52.35 | ringo999 | dreyfus: doesnt work, cannot execute /bin/sh |
| 00:52.42 | ringo999 | dreyfus: also, i have no fdisk available |
| 00:52.47 | ringo999 | in busybox |
| 00:52.55 | o2T7 | abrotman: :) I was doing as a pipe |
| 00:52.57 | dreyfus | ringo999: no root directory, the root system "/" |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:53.33 | ringo999 | dreyfus: it says: /bin/sh: cant access tty: job control turned off |
| 00:54.22 | ringo999 | all i want to do right now is get a backup of my /home, but how to mount the ext disk without fdisk? |
| 00:54.27 | daedra | so yeah, any help? |
| 00:54.38 | dreyfus | ringo999: before you'ld mount /root-system/proc |
| 00:54.48 | daedra | plus if you edit /etc/fstab do you need to "reload" it? |
| 00:55.08 | Polleke | ringo999, how is this external disk connected? |
| 00:55.21 | ringo999 | Polleke: usb |
| 00:55.27 | ringo999 | dreyfus: /proc is mounted |
| 00:55.52 | Polleke | ringo999, what I would do is load up a live cd.. and mount your hd from there. Trying to work with this broken system is going to be tricky |
| 00:56.01 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: I cheatored. I have a x86 box I installed it on. printing now. :} |
| 00:56.18 | ringo999 | Polleke: i tried that, but i dont know how to mount the encrypted /home |
| 00:56.29 | Polleke | ringo999, encrypted? |
| 00:56.39 | ringo999 | Polleke: dm-crypt, yes |
| 00:57.09 | ringo999 | im totally lost, i really need your help guys. i need my system in 4h |
| 00:57.53 | ringo999 | if anyone would know how to mount a dm-crypted volume from live cd? |
| 00:58.32 | o2T7 | abrotman, Polleke: There it was ;) |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | ok then |
| 00:59.40 | Tramp | ringo999: where does the key come from? do you type a passphrase? |
| 00:59.57 | ringo999 | yes, it normally askes me when bootign |
| 01:00.24 | Tramp | ringo999: when the live-CD has a cryptsetup with luks-support, it should be no problem to mount it |
| 01:00.30 | Tramp | s/when/if/ |
| 01:00.40 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: yeah, I can get it to work with pdftk, but it is a bit wierd. |
| 01:00.48 | ringo999 | check my current boot: http://picpaste.com/P1070040.JPG |
| 01:00.59 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: (þÿ) becomes whatever the field is |
| 01:01.31 | ringo999 | Tramp: ive seen cryptsetup on it, but i have no idea how to use it, nor do i want to mess anything up |
| 01:01.35 | Tramp | ringo999: check, if the manpage for cryptsetup on your live-CD mentions luks |
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| 01:01.47 | ringo999 | cant i just mount the usb drive from where im at right now in busybox? |
| 01:01.47 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: for some reason the field names are in UTF16 |
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| 01:02.30 | Polleke | ringo999, no I dont give you much chance doing that |
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| 01:03.02 | ringo999 | ok, then live-cd is my only hope |
| 01:03.05 | Tramp | ringo999: may be very tricky. The initramfs you are currently running on may not even have support for whatever filesystem your USB disk has. Do you have a device for it? |
| 01:03.24 | ringo999 | i dont think. im booting kopppix now |
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| 01:04.03 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: "freakingweirdness". :) |
| 01:04.12 | ringo999 | this is really murphys law. tomorrow i have a deadline at work. and right before my system crashes... |
| 01:04.17 | wd | what's command to probe devices, trying to get modem port for my pcmcia modem? |
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| 01:04.33 | kgoetz | ringo999: strictly speaking its not, but nm |
| 01:04.33 | Seb | is there a nagios3 package for debian ? |
| 01:04.35 | Supaplex | wd: lspci ? (if it's cardbus) |
| 01:04.44 | Supaplex | !tell Seb -about search |
| 01:04.52 | Supaplex | Seb: failing that, see packages.debian.org |
| 01:05.10 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: not really, but the other half is the person who created that form gave the form elements really useful names, like FieldName: c1_05(0) |
| 01:05.13 | Seb | Supaplex: obviously i've been there, done that, and couldn't find anything |
| 01:05.14 | wd | Supaplex, sorry it's nubus ppc |
| 01:05.18 | Seb | Supaplex: which is why i cam here |
| 01:05.19 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: so filling it using pdftk is kind of painful. |
| 01:05.22 | Polleke | ringo999, take a look at http://cryptonas.org |
| 01:06.00 | gourmand | ringo999: if you have a good connection, then don't waste your time, grab finnix livecd (it supports LVM+LUKS), backup your data and reinstall |
| 01:06.28 | Supaplex | Seb: good job. 'no' it is. |
| 01:07.31 | Supaplex | save changes? wth, it lets me? haha cool. |
| 01:07.47 | ringo999 | gourmand: thats for sure that it supports it? |
| 01:07.54 | Seb | Supaplex: you're not quite getting it... Some people in here might know about private repositories having nagios3, and that's what I'm asking about |
| 01:07.57 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: I thought this thing wasn't fill+saveable |
| 01:08.02 | ringo999 | gourmand: i just boot and will see my encrypted volume? |
| 01:08.06 | Tramp | ringo999: do I see it correctly, that /dev/sda5 is the luks-Partition of your /home |
| 01:08.09 | ringo999 | gourmand: or how does it work? |
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| 01:08.16 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes! |
| 01:08.31 | gourmand | ringo999: http://www.finnix.org/ |
| 01:08.49 | Tramp | ringo999: has your live-CD already booted? |
| 01:09.12 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
| 01:09.15 | Supaplex | Seb: okay |
| 01:09.25 | ringo999 | Tramp: any idea? |
| 01:09.33 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. Check the manpage for cryptsetup. Does it mention luks? |
| 01:10.27 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
| 01:10.49 | Tramp | Fine. Run "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 luks_home" |
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| 01:11.10 | ringo999 | Tramp: what is luks_home? |
| 01:11.19 | Tramp | ringo999: just a name |
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| 01:11.55 | drcode | hi all |
| 01:11.57 | ringo999 | this wont corrupt my data i hope |
| 01:12.01 | ringo999 | Tramp: ? |
| 01:12.08 | Tramp | ringo999: not if you do, what I say |
| 01:12.10 | drcode | how I can monitor /var/log/syslog? |
| 01:12.13 | ringo999 | Tramp: ok |
| 01:12.19 | Polleke | drcode, tail -f |
| 01:12.22 | drcode | thanx |
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| 01:13.36 | ringo999 | Tramp: it askes me for passphrase, it wont accept it, i get "no key available with this passphrase" |
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| 01:14.11 | ringo999 | Tramp: im quite sure that i enter the passphrase correctly though |
| 01:14.23 | Tramp | ringo999: it will ask for ringo999: type the passphrase on the console and check, that it comes out correctly (i.e. that the keyboard-mapping is correct) |
| 01:14.44 | Tramp | ringo999: type the passphrase on the console and check, that it comes out correctly (i.e. that the keyboard-mapping is correct) |
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| 01:15.15 | ringo999 | Tramp: i did, it is |
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| 01:15.43 | Evildust | hi |
| 01:15.43 | AwesomeGuy | hello Evildust |
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| 01:16.02 | Supaplex | Seb: I googled 'debian nagios3', clicked on the first hit in bugs.debian.org. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=430120 total turn around time: <1 minute. and no, it's no obvious you looked, but I'm not holding it against you. |
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| 01:16.45 | ringo999 | Tramp: i think i found it, there is a mapper file in /dev/mapper for home, would it help to mount that? |
| 01:16.54 | ringo999 | thats how it worked in the busybox |
| 01:17.05 | ringo999 | except there it asked me for passphrase when booting |
| 01:17.56 | Tramp | ringo999: ?? no idea where this mapping comes from. |
| 01:18.30 | Seb | Supaplex: thanks, I stopped at #368684 with that same google query, and it wasn't about nagios3 at all |
| 01:18.33 | Tramp | ringo999: I suppose, this is something inside your live-CD and I'm pretty sure it will not help |
| 01:18.33 | Seb | Supaplex: thanks again |
| 01:19.46 | Supaplex | odd, but okay. |
| 01:19.52 | Evildust | does debian etch (kernel 2.6.18) support the amd 690G / SB600 chipset? |
| 01:20.04 | gourmand | ringo999: are you sure that your enc home is sda5 ? |
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| 01:20.53 | ringo999 | Tramp: the mapping is in /media/sda1/dev/mapper ... which i guess is the / "root" Volume of the system |
| 01:21.07 | ringo999 | but when i try to mount it it says readonly |
| 01:21.26 | ringo999 | gourmand: quite sure, yes |
| 01:22.32 | ringo999 | grrr... |
| 01:22.39 | ringo999 | im getting iritated... |
| 01:23.04 | Tramp | ringo999: what do you get, when you run "cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda5" |
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| 01:24.07 | ringo999 | Tramp: keyslot 0 enabled ... the rest are not |
| 01:24.10 | Tramp | ringo999: This should provide output that "makes sense" with something like "Key Slot 0: ENABLED" somewhere in the middle |
| 01:24.36 | ringo999 | it does |
| 01:24.52 | ringo999 | i can feel we are close... |
| 01:25.21 | ringo999 | Tramp: that means its the encrypted volume? |
| 01:25.48 | Tramp | ringo999: then it can only be your passphrase |
| 01:25.56 | Backdraft | How do I make the installer install LILO instead of grub? |
| 01:25.58 | ringo999 | whats is the command again to mount? |
| 01:26.04 | ringo999 | sorry |
| 01:26.07 | ringo999 | got it |
| 01:26.11 | DawnLight | i like the way exim4 is packaged :) |
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| 01:27.04 | Polleke | in 3 packages? |
| 01:27.09 | DawnLight | Backdraft: you really prefer lilo? any particular reason? you can press cancel or something |
| 01:27.36 | Backdraft | Dawnlight currently my MBR is a waste land and only LILO and MS bootloader can survie it :/ |
| 01:27.37 | ringo999 | Tramp: now it worked...no idea why! |
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| 01:28.12 | DawnLight | Backdraft: that isn't so technical... |
| 01:28.18 | ringo999 | Tramp: where should i find the volume= |
| 01:28.20 | Backdraft | :) |
| 01:28.30 | Tramp | ringo999: ... or your installation did some post-processing with the passphrase, like using it to decrypt a keyfile ... |
| 01:29.27 | ringo999 | Tramp: so how do i access the volume? |
| 01:29.54 | Supaplex | Seb: http://people.teamix.net/~svelt/debian/etch/nagios3/3.0-rc-2/ did you see this too? |
| 01:31.35 | ringo999 | tramp: mount the mapper? |
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| 01:32.31 | Tramp | ringo999: no. this all does not help. we have open the volume. This will get tricky.... can you mount your original /boot partition? |
| 01:33.38 | ringo999 | Tramp: well, it was all on one partition, now sda1 |
| 01:33.51 | ringo999 | Tramp: how to do? |
| 01:34.06 | t04no | i just found out that performing chown root:root on a user1:user1 directory left subdirs at depth 5 (without symlinks or such) unchanged. doing chown from one dir above worked. what is happening here ? did chown get caught somewhere in the dir-tree above ? |
| 01:34.08 | Seb | Supaplex: yep, testing right now |
| 01:34.32 | Tramp | ringo999: maybe the livecd alredy did it. Does it shoul up somewhere when you run "mount" |
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| 01:35.17 | ringo999 | well, /dev/sda1 does |
| 01:35.43 | ringo999 | Tramp: only /home was encrypted, not the rest |
| 01:35.54 | Tramp | ringo999: good. where is it mounted? |
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| 01:36.02 | ringo999 | /media/sda1 |
| 01:36.30 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. cd there and make a directory where we can work in. |
| 01:36.56 | ringo999 | ok, it says read only |
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| 01:37.15 | Tramp | ringo999: mount -o remount,rw /media/sda1 |
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| 01:37.57 | ringo999 | Tramp: ok worked |
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| 01:38.17 | sts | hello folks. does anbody know how i can tell lilo directly what kernel it should boot? |
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| 01:39.02 | Tramp | ringo999: ls /media/sda1/boot. There should be an initramfs file. can you locate it? |
| 01:39.14 | pepve | sts, man lilo |
| 01:39.26 | j4cbo | what's a good way of listing all installed packages sorted by size? |
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| 01:39.47 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 01:39.47 | dpkg | well, sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 01:40.31 | ringo999 | Tramp: initframsfs? i only see initrd.img*, system.map*, config*, vmlinuz* and grub |
| 01:40.44 | j4cbo | thanks :) |
| 01:40.59 | Tramp | ringo999: yeah, the initrd. copy the one you used into our working directory |
| 01:41.29 | ringo999 | Tramp: done |
| 01:42.57 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. now run "gunzip -c <img> | cpio -v -i -d --no-absolute-filenames" <img> is the image you just copied |
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| 01:43.40 | spacemonkey | I'm reinstalling proftpd and i chose to use the default .conf and it said "Starting ftp server: proftpd - no such user 'nobody" should i add the user? |
| 01:44.44 | abrotman | no |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | what happened to the user ? |
| 01:45.05 | spacemonkey | i dont know |
| 01:45.31 | j4cbo | hm |
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| 01:46.00 | ringo999 | Tramp: done |
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| 01:46.03 | j4cbo | is it safe to remove "locales" if i don't need non-english anything? |
| 01:46.14 | spacemonkey | i'll be back |
| 01:46.23 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. Is there a conf/conf.d/cryptroot? |
| 01:46.39 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
| 01:46.47 | Tramp | what does it say? |
| 01:46.57 | danand | UK earthquake - 4.7 in magnitude, epicentre about 15 NE of Lincoln! |
| 01:47.24 | dvs | j4cbo: not a good idea |
| 01:47.41 | danand | not alot to do with debian i know but i felt it in london! |
| 01:47.52 | ringo999 | Tramp: target=sda5_crypt, source=/dev/sda5/, key=none, lvm=HUB70901ND-SWAP |
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| 01:48.12 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 01:48.12 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 01:48.19 | bush | danand: a 4.7 is like a squirrel fart |
| 01:48.21 | lkthomas2 | guys, anyone know how to reset mysql root password? is it using dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 01:48.36 | j4cbo | abrotman: been using that |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | !tell lkthomas2 about forgot mysql root password |
| 01:49.20 | Tramp | ringo999: hmm. Strange. don't know what this lvm=... means here |
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| 01:50.11 | ringo999 | Tramp: i think it has something to do with "Volumegroup", the name of the volumegroup was HUB... |
| 01:50.29 | danand | bush - may be for someone living next to san andreas fault but an earthquake .... in England! I've lived my whole life in the belief that the earth was rock solid under my feet ... until about half hour ago :) |
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| 01:51.14 | bush | is there anytime it's not recommended to run a network service in a chrooted jail? |
| 01:51.47 | j4cbo | ooh |
| 01:51.50 | j4cbo | vim-tiny |
| 01:52.01 | ringo999 | Tramp: so now what? |
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| 01:52.46 | gourmand | sound like sda5 was for encrypted swap... |
| 01:52.47 | Tramp | ringo999: actually I was hoping for a keyscript-option here.... cd to sbin |
| 01:53.07 | gourmand | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:53.28 | ringo999 | Tramp: well, i have no idea, totally lost. but didnt we have the right passphrase, why cant we just mount it now? |
| 01:53.32 | Tramp | gourmand: no, the target/source pair really indicates the /root |
| 01:53.59 | Tramp | ringo999: you told me, the passphrase was not accepted?? |
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| 01:54.08 | ringo999 | ah, i think swap was also encrypted |
| 01:54.30 | ringo999 | Tramp: it was |
| 01:54.32 | ringo999 | finally! |
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| 01:54.38 | Tramp | AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 01:54.42 | ringo999 | ufffff |
| 01:54.49 | Tramp | where did you tell me taht????? |
| 01:55.15 | Tramp | ringo999: so do you now have /dev/mapper/luks_home? |
| 01:55.48 | ringo999 | Tramp: 02:27:37 < ringo999> Tramp: now it worked...no idea why! |
| 01:56.02 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes! |
| 01:56.16 | ringo999 | Tramp: also asked if i just mount the mapper |
| 01:56.16 | Tramp | ringo999: Sorry then overlooked that. |
| 01:56.25 | ringo999 | Tramp: no problem, 30 min more or less |
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| 01:56.36 | Tramp | "mount the mapper" does not really make sense 8) - yes, mount the mapping |
| 01:56.40 | ringo999 | Tramp: im so thankful you are helping me, otherwise I would be f-ked |
| 01:57.03 | Tramp | ringo999: make a nice directory first, e.g. /mnt/myhome or whatever |
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| 01:57.24 | ringo999 | Tramp: i need to know which filesystem though |
| 01:57.37 | Tramp | ringo999: then mount /dev/mapper/luks_home /mnt/myhome - hmm does mount ask you? |
| 01:58.00 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
| 01:58.36 | Tramp | ringo999: from your screenshot, its ext3. ... hmmm. what does "file -s /dev/mapper/luks_home" say? |
| 01:59.18 | ringo999 | Tramp: LVM2, and then some UUID |
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| 02:00.09 | Tramp | oh, hangon. Then you have a logical volume in the partition |
| 02:00.52 | Tramp | that's this additional parameter. |
| 02:02.42 | Tramp | ringo999: do you already have a /dev/HUBsomthing? |
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| 02:03.08 | ringo999 | Tramp: nope |
| 02:03.15 | Tramp | ringo999: you have 2 volumes, swap and home in your sda5 |
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| 02:03.28 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
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| 02:03.33 | Throat | after setting up a software raid (and a recent kernel update) I see that the initramdisk made by myself with mkinitrd works - but etch uses initramfs and the images created with that don't boot... is there something like the ROOT= option of the mkinitrd config, or will I have to specify the module I need? |
| 02:03.54 | Throat | (or is there something else I should suspect as the reason for the failure?) |
| 02:04.08 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. Run "pvscan" - does it work? |
| 02:04.15 | nebM0ft | When I insert a dvd/cd into my drive, the system slows down terribly and eventually freezes. Anyway I could prevent this? |
| 02:04.35 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
| 02:04.53 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. Run "vgscan" - does it work? |
| 02:05.03 | ringo999 | Tramp: show /dev/dm-0, that should be the root system though |
| 02:05.05 | Throat | I mean... I can just stick with the mkinitrd created one... but that breaks on every kernel update |
| 02:05.17 | Throat | nebM0ft: see if DMA is enabled on the drive... |
| 02:05.28 | ringo999 | Tramp: found volumegroup H... |
| 02:05.31 | nebM0ft | Throat: how can I do that? |
| 02:05.46 | nebM0ft | I got a laptop. |
| 02:05.49 | Throat | nebM0ft: "hdparm /dev/hdc" (supposing the cd is hdc) - could be a faulty drive also... |
| 02:06.06 | Tramp | ringo999: good. run "vgchange -a y" - does it work? |
| 02:06.30 | ringo999 | Tramp: yep, now active |
| 02:06.33 | Throat | nebM0ft: look in /var/log/messages and/or with the command dmesg if there are lots and lots of repeating errors from the drive - then either the medium or the drive has a problem |
| 02:06.54 | nebM0ft | Throat: what pkg owns hdparm? |
| 02:06.59 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. Can you identify your home-drive in /dev/mapper (or when running "lvs")? |
| 02:07.05 | o2T7 | nebM0ft: hdparm |
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| 02:07.13 | nebM0ft | o2T7: nope |
| 02:07.20 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
| 02:07.35 | Throat | nebM0ft: yes, hdparm |
| 02:07.38 | nebM0ft | oh nevermind |
| 02:07.43 | ringo999 | Tramp: so now i mount "home" |
| 02:07.43 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. run "file -s" on it, to be sure |
| 02:07.50 | nebM0ft | single user can't run hdparm :) |
| 02:08.12 | Throat | nebM0ft: you mean normal users? Yes, of course not... you need access to the raw device |
| 02:08.21 | ringo999 | Tramp: says data needs journaled recovery large files |
| 02:08.31 | Tramp | ringo999: what is the name of the device? |
| 02:08.35 | Throat | nebM0ft: normal users also can' |
| 02:08.47 | Throat | nebM0ft: normal users also can't read /var/log/messages on default debian systems |
| 02:08.49 | ringo999 | Tramp: doesnt say |
| 02:09.13 | Tramp | ringo999: I mean the name you identified in /dev/mapper (which you ran file -s on) |
| 02:09.28 | ringo999 | Tramp: ok. /dev/mapper/HUB...-HOME |
| 02:09.30 | Throat | nebM0ft: if you're not root on the machine, my advice is even simpler: ask your administrator |
| 02:09.43 | nebM0ft | Throat: I am the administrator :-P |
| 02:09.48 | Tramp | ringo999: ah. ok. yes, try to mount it to /mnt/myhome |
| 02:09.50 | Starwatcher | dondelelcaro you help me a few weeks ago in gettting my system clock to be local time, this is the first chance I had to say thank you. |
| 02:09.57 | Throat | nebM0ft: then you have root access |
| 02:10.04 | AwesomeGuy | are you trying to mount your modem??? |
| 02:10.04 | o2T7 | nebM0ft: sudo hdparm /dev/hdc | grep using_dma |
| 02:10.09 | nebM0ft | Throat: Is this useful? http://rafb.net/p/sWifV699.html |
| 02:10.22 | nebM0ft | o2T7: why not just switch to root? :) |
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| 02:10.39 | Throat | nebM0ft: well... what do YOU think :) |
| 02:10.41 | ringo999 | Tramp: perfect, worked!!! |
| 02:10.49 | ringo999 | Tramp: thanks so much! |
| 02:10.51 | o2T7 | nebM0ft: Oh, simple policy, do as root just the necessary |
| 02:10.51 | nebM0ft | Throat: dma is on.. |
| 02:11.01 | ringo999 | Tramp: what about the "recovery" hint? |
| 02:11.02 | Tramp | ringo999: ok. Great. Did the livecd also find your external disk? are you set now? |
| 02:11.11 | nebM0ft | o2T7: isn't running sudo essentially the same thing? |
| 02:11.27 | Tramp | ringo999: no problem. if it mounted, it did fine. |
| 02:11.28 | nebM0ft | Throat: dma is on... |
| 02:11.30 | nebM0ft | ^^ |
| 02:11.32 | Throat | nebM0ft: yes... you could try setting unmaskirq on - but in my experience it has little effect (specially compared to dma) |
| 02:11.34 | tobias | is there a good web front end for managing postfix + dovecot virtual hosting? |
| 02:11.42 | o2T7 | no, because you have to type it. With su you run ALL as superuser |
| 02:11.47 | nebM0ft | Throat: so there's nothing I could do then? |
| 02:11.49 | Throat | nebM0ft: I saw you the 1st time... just typing a bit more :) |
| 02:12.22 | \amethyst | nebM0ft: you'd run hdparm under sudo or su because grep doesn't need root privileges |
| 02:12.28 | Tramp | ringo999: perhaps it did not cleanly umount when you exited the initramfs (busybox) previously. It is not critical though. |
| 02:12.28 | nebM0ft | Throat: My auto-completion entered Tramp :P |
| 02:12.29 | Throat | nebM0ft: check the logs as suggested |
| 02:12.29 | \amethyst | s/hdparm/just hdparm/ |
| 02:12.29 | o2T7 | nebM0ft: How are your devices attached to your buses? |
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| 02:13.03 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes, all there, what do you suggest in order to backup the 30+GB in home? tar? |
| 02:13.07 | nebM0ft | o2T7: I wouldn't know. |
| 02:13.41 | Tramp | ringo999: either tar or cp -ar or even rsync -av. all of them should work fine. |
| 02:13.52 | nebM0ft | o2T7: How can I find out? |
| 02:13.56 | cire | How would you compare 2 partitions? I mean, I'm not interested in the sectors, but the files and their size. |
| 02:14.02 | DawnLight | ringo999: /me recommends rsync |
| 02:14.07 | o2T7 | nebM0ft: perhaps it's not the problem, but the right way is to put the faster as master |
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| 02:14.20 | Tramp | ringo999: if you want to be extra careful, mount your home read-only |
| 02:14.26 | o2T7 | cire: man diff |
| 02:14.39 | cire | o2T7: thanks for the hint |
| 02:14.45 | ringo999 | Tramp: just wondering, since the external drive is fat32, the file access rights dont get lost? |
| 02:14.54 | Tramp | ringo999: they get lost |
| 02:14.56 | Throat | cire: heh only file & size? How about find . -ls > file1 (and file2), sort and compare those? :) |
| 02:15.08 | \amethyst | ringo999: unless you tar or cpio them up, they'll be lost |
| 02:15.13 | nebM0ft | o2T7: It's a laptop I never looked at the insides. |
| 02:15.14 | Tramp | ringo999: but you can just make an ext3-FS on it |
| 02:15.42 | ringo999 | Tramp: rather not, its not my drive, there are things on it that I cant risk getting lost |
| 02:15.52 | cire | Throat: this is a good idea! I expect files with same size and date should have same content. |
| 02:15.56 | ringo999 | so then tar is better? |
| 02:16.14 | ringo999 | or maybe its not so important |
| 02:16.15 | Tramp | ringo999: yes, but of course you can't work on it right now |
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| 02:16.35 | Throat | nobody any comments on the ramfs thing I asked? |
| 02:16.46 | Tramp | ringo999: don't you have enough space on the sda1 we worked on previously? |
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| 02:17.18 | Throat | nebM0ft: anyways.... did you look for errors? |
| 02:18.01 | Tramp | ringo999: well, make a tarball then, if you just need a backup (and not something you want to work on right now) |
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| 02:18.34 | nebM0ft | Throat: nothing noticable. |
| 02:18.44 | Throat | nebM0ft: if you get freezes... well, I'd thought it could be DMA because you're having the CPU wait for transactions to end a lot... the other possibility would be that something fails and is only resolved (repeatedly) by timeouts |
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| 02:18.57 | nebM0ft | I had to reboot a couple of times so it probably cleaned it out. |
| 02:18.58 | ringo999 | Tramp: whats a good way to see availabe space again, du -h? |
| 02:19.23 | Tramp | ringo999: df -h |
| 02:19.24 | Throat | nebM0ft: oh, so you didn't have the freezes now? |
| 02:19.34 | nebM0ft | I took out the dvd |
| 02:19.37 | Throat | nebM0ft: you're saying it freezes all over and you have to reboot? |
| 02:19.41 | nebM0ft | I can even log in with the dvd inside |
| 02:19.50 | nebM0ft | *can't |
| 02:19.53 | Tramp | ringo999: for filesystems |
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| 02:20.05 | ringo999 | Tramp: not enough space, will tarballing it directly on the fat32 work well? just worried something gets lost |
| 02:20.06 | nebM0ft | only works normally when i insert the disk while logged into my user. |
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| 02:20.53 | Tramp | ringo999: no. The tarball-format preserves (almost) any information - in ASCII even 8) |
| 02:21.05 | Throat | nebM0ft: uh... but that sounds as if it should create some errors to go by... I dunno |
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| 02:21.35 | nebM0ft | not now.. |
| 02:21.42 | ringo999 | Tramp: ok then i will tar it now, what options ot you suggest? |
| 02:21.47 | Throat | nebM0ft: the last thing I could think of would perhaps be to simply watch top for anything interesting... but these are the two things I can think of as a cause |
| 02:21.54 | nebM0ft | only when i boot in with the disc inside. |
| 02:22.07 | NetEcho | I get this when I do modprobe |
| 02:22.07 | NetEcho | FATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): No such device |
| 02:22.14 | Throat | nebM0ft: either bad performance, hogging the CPU (dma off) or repeated failures |
| 02:22.16 | nebM0ft | Throat: thanks for the help, its probably poor support for the hardware |
| 02:22.19 | NetEcho | /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko does exist |
| 02:22.25 | Tramp | ringo999: I'm just wondering - can you put a file that size on a fat32? |
| 02:22.28 | nebM0ft | just like fglrx |
| 02:22.31 | gourmand | ringo999: fat32 won't take 30G tarball, split it |
| 02:22.37 | waseem57 | hi, how can i find out on what other packages and libraries a particular package i have installed depends? |
| 02:22.38 | Throat | nobody any comments on the ramfs thing I asked? |
| 02:23.06 | Throat | seems I'll just have to try it out with reiserfs given explicitely |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | waseem57: apt-cache show |
| 02:23.19 | ringo999 | gourmand: how does that work? |
| 02:23.47 | waseem57 | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:23.54 | Throat | ... rebooting as if it was windows :-( My reset button will get spoiled |
| 02:23.56 | Tramp | ringo999: yes. 4GB is max for fat32 |
| 02:25.04 | ringo999 | ah, always hustle |
| 02:25.07 | Tramp | ringo999: do you have enough space for the backup on your home? |
| 02:25.45 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes |
| 02:25.54 | NetEcho | Here is the issue I'm having using sensors http://netecho.pastebin.com/d4458d657 |
| 02:26.23 | ringo999 | Tramp: what do you suggest? |
| 02:26.25 | Tramp | ringo999: then I suggest to create the tarball there, then use "split" to make 4GB chunks and transfer them to the ext. drive |
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| 02:27.05 | Tramp | ringo999: of course, this will take significantly longer, but I can't think of any other way to do it, given the restrictions. |
| 02:27.09 | gourmand | ringo999: tar --create --multi-volume -L <SIZE> |
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| 02:27.55 | Tramp | ah. This sounds better 8) |
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| 02:28.27 | NetEcho | How would I upgrade the kernel to fix this issue? |
| 02:28.28 | NetEcho | http://netecho.pastebin.com/d4458d657 |
| 02:28.35 | ringo999 | gourmand: in addition to -cfv options? |
| 02:29.30 | ringo999 | gourmand: i mean tar -cfv --multi-volume -L 4GB dir.tar dir |
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| 02:29.45 | abrotman | NetEcho: not really sure that's an 'upgrade kernel' kind of thing .. |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | NetEcho: you could try a kernel from backports.org if you really want to |
| 02:29.56 | NetEcho | abrotman can't apt-get do it? |
| 02:30.00 | \amethyst | actually, I think the max file size is 4GB-1byte |
| 02:30.04 | abrotman | NetEcho: you'll be on your own for security issues |
| 02:30.09 | \amethyst | so to be safe, -L 4095MB or something |
| 02:30.12 | gourmand | ringo999: yes, but since tar was designed for tape drives, you need to play with tarball names; info tar |
| 02:30.25 | \amethyst | oh |
| 02:31.14 | NetEcho | abrotman any idea how to fix that module error without upgrading? |
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| 02:32.02 | abrotman | NetEcho: i don't know a ton about that stuff .. i'd guess it's finding the stuff from the pciids or something .. and the driver doesn't know aobut that |
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| 02:32.39 | \amethyst | -L $((2**22 - 1)) I guess |
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| 02:33.52 | cire | how do I prevent modules from being loaded? I tried "blacklist module" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local, but it seems to be ignored |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | !tell cire about blacklist |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | !tell cire about initramfs blacklist |
| 02:34.51 | abrotman | !tell cire about blacklist-initramfs |
| 02:35.21 | asg | you could tell him to google it |
| 02:35.27 | cire | thanks abrotman |
| 02:35.35 | ringo999 | gourmand: what about just tarballing and then splitting? |
| 02:36.01 | cire | asg: googling brought me to blacklist.local... |
| 02:36.21 | gourmand | ringo999: if you've got enough space, go for it... |
| 02:36.31 | ringo999 | i dont. :-( |
| 02:36.33 | nix_chix0r | i am happy now:D |
| 02:36.45 | nix_chix0r | apt-get finally works |
| 02:36.46 | Tramp | ringo999: you said you had enough space in home? |
| 02:37.08 | ringo999 | well yes, for making one tar backup file |
| 02:37.15 | ringo999 | about 40% used |
| 02:37.53 | nix_chix0r | <3 yay |
| 02:38.05 | Tramp | ringo999: so this should suffice then. If you compress you will even need <40%. |
| 02:38.07 | gourmand | ringo999: so, create 1 big tarball and use dd of=your-external-drive/### |
| 02:39.08 | gourmand | ringo999: i mean, dd if=big.tar skip=... count=... bs=... of=your/ext-drive/### |
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| 02:39.24 | NetEcho | interesting debian.org seems to be down |
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| 02:39.34 | icesword | ...? |
| 02:39.56 | gourmand | ringo, say, bs=1G, couunt=1 increment skip and ### |
| 02:40.05 | Tramp | gourmand: why not simply use split? |
| 02:40.19 | asg | NetEcho: for you maybe, working just fine here |
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| 02:40.51 | NetEcho | either that or a major pipe between me and it is under load cause I'm getting extremely high ping replies |
| 02:41.39 | gourmand | Tramp: or split, yes ) |
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| 02:42.31 | abrotman | NetEcho: if that's your apt mirror .. choose another |
| 02:42.39 | Tramp | ringo999: make 1 big, gzipped tarball. Then cd /external/drive and split there |
| 02:42.39 | gourmand | ringo999: you can even pipe it then: tar -cf - /home | split ... |
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| 02:43.40 | ringo999 | Tramp & gourmand: thanks so much guys |
| 02:43.41 | Tramp | ringo999: so you see: Tons of options 8) go for it ... |
| 02:44.03 | Tramp | np. have phun. |
| 02:44.29 | ringo999 | how about joining? cat f1 f2 ... > finalfile |
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| 02:45.01 | Tramp | ringo999: jep. that recreates the (gzipped) tarball. |
| 02:45.14 | xopey | i need some help with permissions. i have two accounts: employee1 and contractor1. I want employee1 to have access to contractor1's files |
| 02:45.30 | asg | xopey: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 02:46.06 | xopey | why dpkg in particular? |
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| 02:46.17 | asg | xopey: it is one of our bots |
| 02:46.22 | xopey | oh, thnx |
| 02:46.32 | ringo999 | Tramp: so tarball is running now, its actually only 23gb. then i have to split, then reinstall the system, put back everything in place. i have 3 more hrs... could be done... |
| 02:47.29 | Tramp | ringo999: can't you finish whatever you have to do with the livecd and worry about fixing the system later? |
| 02:48.10 | ringo999 | Tramp: unfortunately not... |
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| 02:49.22 | Tramp | ringo999: just thought - because you have your /home and everything else on sda1 - but however, have phun 8). |
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| 02:52.46 | ringo999 | Tramp: just wondering, when im reinstalling, i just leave the sd5 partition untouched, and erase sda1? mmm... |
| 02:53.36 | PaulTT | Hi all--I have a server that is freaking out with the following message: kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received. Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 02:54.01 | Tramp | ringo999: well. probably. But I'm no expert for installing Debian 8) |
| 02:54.25 | ringo999 | Tramp: thanks anyhow, you saved me! |
| 02:54.39 | Tramp | good for my karma then |
| 02:54.47 | ringo999 | big time |
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| 02:55.04 | NetEcho | abrotman no its not |
| 02:55.16 | abrotman | cows? |
| 02:55.28 | asg | eat mor chikin |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | yes!~ |
| 02:57.47 | NetEcho | [21:42:35] <abrotman> NetEcho: if that's your apt mirror .. choose another |
| 02:57.54 | asg | abrotman: you were on about his mirrors |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | on his shoes? |
| 02:58.06 | NetEcho | I was trying to access a link dpkg gave me |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | which was ? |
| 02:59.18 | NetEcho | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html |
| 02:59.27 | NetEcho | but debian.org is not responding |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | try ... www.us.debian.org |
| 02:59.35 | xopey | asg: thanks. i understood permissions, but this is my first experience creating a chrooted environment and i forgot that the group changes i made on the system weren't in effect in the chroot without manual edits |
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| 02:59.57 | NetEcho | ah |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | dpkg is correct .. web is wrong |
| 03:00.16 | asg | xopey: you're welcome. chroots can be tricky. |
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| 03:00.42 | NetEcho | dpkg gave me that link |
| 03:00.45 | xopey | asg: is there any better way to keep /etc/passwd and /etc/group in sync for those users/groups? |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | NetEcho: yes .. normally it works .. the internet is broken |
| 03:01.01 | NetEcho | oh I see |
| 03:01.10 | dondelelcaro | xopey: the better way is to use ldap |
| 03:01.35 | xopey | dondelelcaro: for a chroot environment? how so? |
| 03:02.18 | NetEcho | abrotman so is there a way to use the old debian kernel config as a base and just tweak it for the new kernel? |
| 03:02.41 | NetEcho | I've never actually upgraded a kernel before |
| 03:03.00 | abrotman | NetEcho: yes .. cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | when you're in the root of your kernel source tree |
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| 03:03.14 | dondelelcaro | xopey: if you need them in sync constantly, that's the way to go |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | NetEcho: the backports.org kernel didn't make it any better? |
| 03:03.17 | NetEcho | ah k |
| 03:03.28 | NetEcho | backports are older kernels are they not/ |
| 03:03.29 | dondelelcaro | xopey: really depends how often you add new users and groups |
| 03:03.31 | \amethyst | make-kpkg will try to get a standard debian kernel config and do make oldconfig if there isn't already a .config |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | NetEcho: uh .. no |
| 03:03.37 | spacemonkey | somehow I got rid of the user 'nobody'. what would be the best way to get it back? |
| 03:03.39 | NetEcho | ah |
| 03:03.44 | xopey | dondelelcaro: i shouldn't be that frequently |
| 03:03.50 | NetEcho | let me try it then |
| 03:03.59 | dondelelcaro | xopey: then you can just add hooks to adduser or similar to do it if you want |
| 03:04.00 | NetEcho | so backports would be the testing kernels? |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:04.18 | xopey | oooh, i've not used hooks before |
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| 03:04.42 | abrotman | spacemonkey: does 'nogroup' exist in /etc/group ? |
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| 03:05.33 | spacemonkey | abrotman: yes |
| 03:05.59 | spacemonkey | i noticed there is also /etc/group- and /etc/passwd- |
| 03:06.06 | spacemonkey | permission denied |
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| 03:11.21 | NetEcho | abrotman know any good guides to compiling a new kernel? |
| 03:11.33 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 03:11.34 | dpkg | kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 03:12.06 | NetEcho | *blink* |
| 03:12.19 | abrotman | WHAT? |
| 03:12.30 | abrotman | and you likely want --initrd |
| 03:13.03 | spacemonkey | hmm? |
| 03:13.07 | NetEcho | do I have to do anything before that? |
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| 03:13.52 | abrotman | NetEcho: configure it correctly most likely |
| 03:14.10 | abrotman | spacemonkey: nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 03:14.11 | nix_chixor | dangit other nick drop off |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | nix_chixor: /msg nickserv help |
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| 03:15.40 | spacemonkey | abrotman: just add that to /etc/passwd? |
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| 03:22.31 | fsmunoz | Cheers |
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| 03:27.10 | mick_laptop | hey everyone :) |
| 03:27.22 | xopey | how can i set the default umask for a user who's not logging into the shell, only scp/sftp? am i correct in thinking that ~/.bashrc doesn't apply in that case? |
| 03:27.36 | roger | hello mick_laptop |
| 03:27.53 | icesword | i am compiling fluxbox |
| 03:28.02 | icesword | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:28.56 | abrotman | !b-e icesword |
| 03:28.56 | dpkg | icesword: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 03:29.07 | icesword | k |
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| 03:29.35 | mick_laptop | i actually have a non-linux related question, maybe someone can point me in the right direction. How can I get the info about a person based on their first name and a phone number? This was a number from 2 years ago. I now get "the person that you are trying to reach is not available" -- which means that she doesn't have that # anymore |
| 03:30.01 | roger | hmm |
| 03:30.03 | mick_laptop | i'd like to at least snail mail her :) |
| 03:30.16 | xopey | do you know state? mick_laptop |
| 03:30.19 | fsmunoz | Anyone running on >= 2.6.22 kernel? Wondering if the cfq change is noticable enough in terms of desktop snapiness to justify pulling it from backports... general/anedoctical opinions welcomed, thanks. |
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| 03:30.32 | mick_laptop | xopey: of course, NH |
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| 03:31.00 | fsmunoz | s/cfq/cfs/ |
| 03:31.21 | xopey | mick_laptop:, i just came across a great site the other day and i'm looking for it |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | fsmunoz: i am on lenny .. but i don't notice any real difference |
| 03:32.07 | mick_laptop | xopey: i did a reverse phone lookup |
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| 03:32.16 | mick_laptop | nada -- gives the city |
| 03:32.19 | drcode | hi all |
| 03:32.40 | xopey | mick_laptop: how to track down anyone online (http://lifehacker.com/software/feature/how-to-track-down-anyone-online-329033.php) |
| 03:32.46 | fsmunoz | abrotman: ahh, great. I guess it is not worth the trouble then, it would be the only reason (since this is a Thinkpad T41 with 1Gb of RAM any improvement in responsiveness is welcomed). |
| 03:33.00 | mick_laptop | xopey: thanks! |
| 03:33.07 | drcode | If I want to install debian with X11 and fvwm , GDM or KDM with fvwm , what debian release I need? |
| 03:33.07 | abrotman | fsmunoz: i'm just saying i don't notice .. i'm not saying it doesn't actually exist :) |
| 03:33.12 | xopey | my pleasure mick_laptop. gotta love lifehacker |
| 03:33.24 | mick_laptop | that girl was incredible -- i sure as hell hope to get in touch w/ her again |
| 03:33.28 | fsmunoz | abrotman: yes, I know, but I'm more interest in that than in technical details. |
| 03:34.12 | xopey | mick_laptop: do you know where i can specify a default umask for a user? |
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| 03:34.35 | xopey | mick_laptop: i'm using the account for scp/sftp, so i don't think .bashrc will work |
| 03:34.45 | NetEcho | wow I can't make menuconfig |
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| 03:35.12 | NetEcho | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 03:35.12 | NetEcho | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 03:36.08 | amphi | NetEcho: perhaps you don't have the ncurses -dev package installed? |
| 03:36.22 | NetEcho | apt shoulda installed it |
| 03:36.25 | NetEcho | I'll check again |
| 03:36.37 | mick_laptop | xopey: man umask |
| 03:36.41 | NetEcho | guess it errored out |
| 03:36.44 | mick_laptop | just use the command |
| 03:37.11 | xopey | mick_laptop: no manual entry |
| 03:37.34 | mick_laptop | xopey: well you can do it in a number of places .login, or .profile files, or in the system /etc/profile file |
| 03:37.45 | xopey | thanks mick_laptop |
| 03:37.50 | abrotman | xopey: it might be set in the ftpd settings |
| 03:37.50 | fsmunoz | This VirtualBox "seamless" mode is a rather nice thing, if anyone needs to run windows apps I recommend a look |
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| 03:38.16 | mick_laptop | xopey: how restrictive do you want to make it? |
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| 03:38.26 | xopey | i want to open it up actually |
| 03:38.29 | mick_laptop | xopey: 077 is for read/write of the user (nothing else) |
| 03:38.36 | mick_laptop | ah ok |
| 03:38.50 | xopey | i have employee1 and contractor1. i want empoyee to have everything that contractor has access to |
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| 03:39.01 | mick_laptop | 022 is read/write user and everyone else can read |
| 03:39.14 | xopey | mick_laptop: so i also want to make sure that if employee creates a file, contractor can write it |
| 03:39.21 | roger | seamless mode eh. |
| 03:39.25 | mick_laptop | why not just put the files in subversion? |
| 03:39.27 | roger | sounds cool, |
| 03:39.45 | xopey | hmm, hadn't considered that mick_laptop |
| 03:39.46 | mick_laptop | xopey: sounds like they can step on each other's files |
| 03:40.05 | mick_laptop | "oops sorry i rm'ed you directory" |
| 03:40.18 | mick_laptop | ^^^ this has happened many times to me in the past |
| 03:40.19 | xopey | mick_laptop: i'm trying to create a secure ftp using only ssh and a chrooted env |
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| 03:40.26 | reavance | I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2, is there ANY reason to not use the amd64 kernel? |
| 03:40.36 | mick_laptop | well, you can do svn+ssh |
| 03:40.44 | mick_laptop | i use it all the time :) |
| 03:40.51 | mick_laptop | at work and at home |
| 03:40.58 | mick_laptop | just a thought though |
| 03:40.58 | xopey | mick_laptop: at work |
| 03:41.15 | xopey | mick_laptop: interesting. i really hadn't considered anything like that |
| 03:41.52 | drcode | any help? |
| 03:41.52 | NetEcho | Anyone know what processor family the Celeron 220 Conroe falls under? |
| 03:42.05 | abrotman | NetEcho: likely P4 |
| 03:42.15 | NetEcho | Core 2s fall under P4 too? |
| 03:42.16 | drcode | I want to install light debian |
| 03:42.24 | mick_laptop | i recently had a problem where someone decided that some config things were not to their liking (in apache2) and they just messed with everuything -- they broke most things that i had hosted |
| 03:42.26 | drcode | like ubuntu altrnate install |
| 03:42.29 | mick_laptop | svn saved me :) |
| 03:42.35 | NetEcho | abrotman so 486 as opposed to Pentium-Pro? |
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| 03:43.24 | abrotman | NetEcho: i didn't say that |
| 03:43.47 | NetEcho | there is no P4 option |
| 03:44.01 | NetEcho | Pentium Pro Pentium MMX and Pentium Classic are the only Pentium labeled ones |
| 03:44.12 | NetEcho | then there is 386 486 and the the rest *86 archs as 1 opt |
| 03:44.29 | abrotman | then PPro |
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| 03:44.58 | NetEcho | isn't PPro pre-Pentium 2? |
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| 03:45.19 | abrotman | PPro is 686 .. just like PII |
| 03:45.32 | NetEcho | ah this is basicaly a core 2 duo |
| 03:46.01 | jhulst | Does anybody use kolab? I'm looking into a central server that I can use Kontact with, any suggestions? |
| 03:46.08 | NetEcho | what about 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX ? |
| 03:46.33 | abrotman | NetEcho: if you're going to ask about every option ... try ##kernel |
| 03:47.03 | amphi | 'basically' a core 2 duo? |
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| 03:47.11 | amphi | is it, or isn't it? |
| 03:47.22 | xopey | help: i placed a .profile in someone's $HOME and set executable. logging in as the user doesn't seem to run the .profile |
| 03:48.49 | NetEcho | amphi the origional core 2 was Conroe |
| 03:48.52 | NetEcho | this is a Conroe core |
| 03:48.56 | NetEcho | just not dual core |
| 03:49.17 | amphi | ah |
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| 03:49.31 | NetEcho | hrm |
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| 03:52.42 | mick_laptop | xopey: log out completely and log back in |
| 03:53.08 | mick_laptop | xopey: if things still don'y work - then make sure to chmod/chown/chgrp accordingly |
| 03:53.17 | xopey | i totally logged out the user and checked the umask value. no change mick_laptop |
| 03:53.21 | mick_laptop | xopey: if all else fails try the system /etc/profile |
| 03:53.47 | mick_laptop | xopey: then open a terminal and "login" again -- this time w/ strace |
| 03:53.48 | NetEcho | amphi according to cpuinfo its the same family as new xeons and core 2s |
| 03:53.52 | mick_laptop | and see what it does |
| 03:54.05 | xopey | mick_laptop: i'll give that a shot |
| 03:54.43 | xopey | mick_laptop: i don't think i have strace |
| 03:54.52 | xopey | which profile to do launch it from ? |
| 03:55.10 | amphi | NetEcho: so that's '(new xeons) and core 2s' not 'new (xeons and core 2s)' then ;) |
| 03:55.29 | NetEcho | lol |
| 03:55.46 | NetEcho | yea sorry |
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| 03:59.37 | enforcer_ | I installed a program by source, how do I remove it? |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | we told you not to do that |
| 04:00.01 | abrotman | try a 'make uninstall' |
| 04:00.05 | nevyn | enforcer_: that's sortof the reason you don't install stuff from source |
| 04:00.15 | enforcer_ | :s |
| 04:00.20 | enforcer_ | but I wanted to use amsn |
| 04:00.31 | abrotman | how'd that work for you? |
| 04:00.35 | enforcer_ | it's being a bitch |
| 04:00.50 | enforcer_ | when I installed the source, same problem, big text |
| 04:00.56 | enforcer_ | but it didn't close |
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| 04:01.15 | abrotman | i think they told you how to test .. you ignored them |
| 04:01.18 | enforcer_ | I don't really mind if im stuck with it, just as long as I can set the text smaller |
| 04:01.24 | enforcer_ | test? |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | you know .. you test things to find out what might be wrong |
| 04:01.50 | enforcer_ | Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): |
| 04:01.51 | enforcer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.59 | enforcer_ | dude, I done all that |
| 04:02.13 | abrotman | you filed a bug on software you compiled from source? |
| 04:02.14 | enforcer_ | I was trying to fix this for 4 hours lastnight |
| 04:02.20 | enforcer_ | no |
| 04:02.22 | enforcer_ | fuck man |
| 04:02.25 | enforcer_ | you're lost |
| 04:02.30 | abrotman | you just said your compiled version had the same problem |
| 04:02.39 | enforcer_ | the aptitude packages is fucked |
| 04:02.45 | enforcer_ | FUCKED |
| 04:02.47 | abrotman | so apparently it wasn't a problem with the package |
| 04:02.50 | enforcer_ | so I installed source |
| 04:02.53 | enforcer_ | and still fucked |
| 04:03.13 | enforcer_ | for not, just forget about the source ;) |
| 04:03.18 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 04:03.32 | enforcer_ | when I remove and purge'd amsn, and re install, the text is still big |
| 04:03.35 | enforcer_ | why why whyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 04:03.37 | abrotman | so you did file a bug on software you compiled from source |
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| 04:03.46 | enforcer_ | no |
| 04:03.57 | enforcer_ | why are you saying that? |
| 04:03.57 | abrotman | there was no problem with the package |
| 04:03.59 | enforcer_ | I didn |
| 04:04.04 | enforcer_ | there is |
| 04:04.06 | enforcer_ | ISIS |
| 04:04.14 | enforcer_ | I didn't even install the source then |
| 04:04.16 | amphi | !tell enforcer_ about enter |
| 04:04.20 | Roge | ...... |
| 04:04.21 | enforcer_ | grrr |
| 04:04.25 | enforcer_ | you don't understand |
| 04:04.34 | enforcer_ | wheres that other guy |
| 04:04.34 | abrotman | apparently you don't |
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| 04:04.47 | enforcer_ | fuck this stupid shit |
| 04:04.49 | abrotman | you don't even know which software you were using |
| 04:05.11 | enforcer_ | im gonna smash this shuit up and throw in in the big where it belongs |
| 04:05.15 | amphi | such a tantrum, and over msn? |
| 04:05.18 | abrotman | you can't tell if you were using the packaged version .. or the one you compiled |
| 04:05.36 | abrotman | you don't even know if you installed the compiled one correctly |
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| 04:05.58 | enforcer_ | abrotman, I installed the source one this morning, so clearly it coudn't be the source one since I sent that mail lastnight |
| 04:06.25 | abrotman | you're dense ... the problem didn't go away with your compiled version .. both were affected |
| 04:06.51 | abrotman | enforcer_: and that is a COMPLETELY USELESS bug report |
| 04:06.57 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468067 |
| 04:07.24 | enforcer_ | yeah well im no nerd |
| 04:07.28 | enforcer_ | I don't understand this shit |
| 04:07.34 | enforcer_ | im just learning |
| 04:07.40 | abrotman | a description would have been good |
| 04:08.15 | enforcer_ | amsn: Closes when I open it and doesn't revert to original settings i.e font when I purge and remove. |
| 04:08.19 | enforcer_ | that is the description |
| 04:08.37 | abrotman | that is not a description |
| 04:09.24 | NetEcho | when you do make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image where does it stick it? |
| 04:09.39 | abrotman | NetEcho: usually in ".." |
| 04:09.41 | NetEcho | like when you become root to run dpkg -i do you have to be in a certain dir? |
| 04:10.24 | amphi | enforcer_: purge won't remove any dotfiles from $HOME |
| 04:10.57 | enforcer_ | there is none |
| 04:10.58 | abrotman | amphi: he was told how to test the issue .. and possibly resolve it .. |
| 04:10.59 | amphi | NetEcho: no; just specify the path to the .deb |
| 04:11.02 | NetEcho | abrotman should I be in the source dir or is ~ ok for root |
| 04:11.09 | enforcer_ | I've done m -rf ~/.amsn |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | NetEcho: huh ? |
| 04:11.17 | NetEcho | when I run dpkg -i |
| 04:11.23 | enforcer_ | rm -rf ~/.amsn |
| 04:11.26 | enforcer_ | that should be it |
| 04:11.30 | abrotman | NetEcho: doesn't matter .. give the full path to the .deb |
| 04:11.47 | NetEcho | does make-kpg create the .deb or is dpkg -i creating the .deb? |
| 04:11.54 | NetEcho | *kpkg |
| 04:11.55 | abrotman | it cretes the .debs |
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| 04:12.09 | NetEcho | so it sticks it 1 dir up from where you run the command? |
| 04:12.13 | enforcer_ | catch {file delete [file join $HOME2 bugreport.amsn]} |
| 04:12.13 | enforcer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.13 | enforcer_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:12.49 | enforcer_ | wtf? |
| 04:12.56 | ringo999 | back. so my system has crashed and im trying to reinstall. i have two partitions, #1 primary, #5 locigal (encrypted). how can i do so i only replace the root system on #1 but dont loose my data on #5? |
| 04:13.17 | Gm4n | how do I get the svstat util? apt-get install daemontools-installer says "not available, but is referred to by another package" |
| 04:14.00 | enforcer_ | look now im crying |
| 04:14.03 | enforcer_ | this is making me cry |
| 04:14.09 | ringo999 | i guess this is not possible is it? |
| 04:14.35 | ringo999 | i dont think the encrypted partition is even recognized correctly by the installer |
| 04:14.39 | NetEcho | amphi does dpkg -i also make it the default kernel to boot? |
| 04:14.45 | ringo999 | anyone? |
| 04:14.46 | enforcer_ | look what you've done abrotman |
| 04:15.07 | amphi | NetEcho: it'll add a grub menu entry for it |
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| 04:15.13 | o2T7 | !tell enforcer about paster |
| 04:15.27 | amphi | !comfort enforcer_ |
| 04:15.27 | dpkg | There, there, enforcer_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:15.39 | NetEcho | amphi I don't have direct access to see the grub menu so I need to to boot the new kernel by default so I can see if it works |
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| 04:16.40 | amphi | NetEcho: look at menu.lst after you install the new kernel |
| 04:16.53 | NetEcho | amphi is it in /boot? |
| 04:17.07 | amphi | /boot/grub |
| 04:17.10 | NetEcho | thanks |
| 04:17.13 | protoloco | how can i know the dependecies of the NFS server.. if is it installed already ? |
| 04:17.17 | NetEcho | kernel is still compiling |
| 04:17.55 | o2T7 | protoloco: dpkg -l | grep nfs |
| 04:19.08 | Tramp | protoloco: apt-cache depends <package> (or rdepends for reverse dependencies) |
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| 04:22.27 | mick_laptop | xopey: looking into finding this one chic, i just remembered someone from highschool that i should look up :) |
| 04:22.41 | mick_laptop | xopey: kind of freaky all the info that you can pull up :) |
| 04:22.55 | xopey | mick_laptop: yeah, it's really eye opening |
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| 04:23.07 | mick_laptop | xopey: still can be really cool to get back in touch with someone you haven't seen in a while |
| 04:23.09 | xopey | mick_laptop: previous addresses that i didn't even remember having |
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| 04:24.17 | mick_laptop | xopey: it reminds me of this one girl from high school -- she got expelled. As she left she asked why I never asked her out since she "had a crush on me all through out high school" |
| 04:24.30 | mick_laptop | xopey: lol |
| 04:24.40 | mick_laptop | that is pretty funny :) |
| 04:24.42 | xopey | mick_laptop: ha |
| 04:25.00 | mick_laptop | especially since i don't remember my old addresses |
| 04:25.04 | xopey | mick_laptop: of course. men are supposed to be mind readers don't you know |
| 04:25.04 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 04:25.18 | mick_laptop | ya, i know - seriously :) |
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| 04:25.53 | mick_laptop | life is a cruel cruel joke sometimes |
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| 04:26.16 | mick_laptop | and it makes me wonder -- if there is a god -- god must be a female ;) |
| 04:26.36 | ringo999 | could someone have a look at this? http://picpaste.com/P1070040.JPG my system crashed and now it wont boot correctly anymore. my /home is encrypted. now I wonder what to do next. someone told there was a way of reinstalling without losing /home, but how? the debian installer doesnt seem to recognize the encryptes volume...? please anyone, this is an emergency... |
| 04:27.11 | ringo999 | ive managed to make a backup of /home which im now going to verify before i continues with anything |
| 04:29.59 | mick_laptop | ringo999: dm-crypt? |
| 04:30.13 | ringo999 | mick_laptop: yes |
| 04:30.27 | ringo999 | i just want to reinstall my system |
| 04:30.34 | ringo999 | isnt there a way? |
| 04:30.59 | mick_laptop | luksOpen w/ a live CD to make sure you can access your stuff |
| 04:31.10 | Tramp | mick_laptop: if it helps: ringo999 has /dev/sda5 which contains a pv with 1 vg with LVs, one of which is his home |
| 04:31.30 | Tramp | mick_laptop: this we did already to backup hist home, about 2hrs ago |
| 04:31.37 | ringo999 | Tramp: but now i want to reinstall debian on /dev/sda1 |
| 04:31.40 | mick_laptop | ah ok |
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| 04:31.48 | ringo999 | without touchgin /dev/sda5 |
| 04:32.02 | ringo999 | is there something liek aptitude reinstall |
| 04:32.04 | ringo999 | ? |
| 04:32.08 | Tramp | ringo999: seriously, why don't you just install whatever works fastest and replay the backup |
| 04:32.09 | mick_laptop | can you reinstall w/o touching home? |
| 04:32.26 | mick_laptop | that might be the best solution |
| 04:32.32 | ringo999 | Tramp: ok, but before that i want to verify that the backup works |
| 04:32.35 | mick_laptop | just make sure to check the backup first ;) |
| 04:32.37 | ringo999 | doing that right now |
| 04:32.58 | Solver | and verifying a backups means restoring files and looking at them |
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| 04:33.07 | Solver | don't trust any s/w to tell you a backup is "ok" |
| 04:33.17 | Tramp | ringo999: If you are really under pressure, I doubt that you will be able to "revive" this rather complex setup on sda5 with a new installl |
| 04:34.07 | ringo999 | Tramp: im considering leaving encryption out, reinstalling on the weekend |
| 04:34.24 | Tramp | ringo999: what may work is just make a install on sda1, then mount your home there manually the same way we did it previously with the live cd. |
| 04:35.06 | ringo999 | Tramp: i tried to back things up from /etc but i got input / output errors.. like to have backup from my config files |
| 04:35.44 | Tramp | ringo999: uh. then your hardware may be hosed |
| 04:35.49 | ringo999 | Tramp: i might as well erase everything play back the backup |
| 04:36.09 | ringo999 | Tramp: think so? |
| 04:36.12 | ringo999 | hmmm |
| 04:36.18 | ringo999 | please not now |
| 04:36.30 | PaulTT | how can I get a listing of all installed network cards? |
| 04:36.30 | Tramp | ringo999: I/O errors are a bad sign. |
| 04:36.38 | PaulTT | I thought it was lspci, but that's not working |
| 04:36.55 | amphi | PaulTT: if they're pci cards, lspci should show 'em |
| 04:36.59 | mick_laptop | ifconfig should list them |
| 04:37.01 | ringo999 | Tramp: well, i will erase all and reinstall |
| 04:37.22 | ringo999 | verifying 23GB backup takes some good time...damn |
| 04:37.27 | mick_laptop | lspci will of course only work w/ pci cards -- you may have some weird usb net cards |
| 04:37.40 | mick_laptop | i've seen people who do that (for whatever reason) |
| 04:37.43 | PaulTT | no, they're pci cards..does anyone know what package the lspci command is in? |
| 04:37.46 | Tramp | ringo999: can't you just try to install to /dev/sda1 - and by the way, how do you verify your backup? |
| 04:37.49 | PaulTT | perhaps I don't have it installed |
| 04:37.51 | amphi | PaulTT: pciutils |
| 04:38.05 | PaulTT | thanks, amphi |
| 04:38.16 | amphi | PaulTT: you might want to do update-pciids after installing it |
| 04:38.29 | PaulTT | thanks |
| 04:39.04 | ringo999 | Tramp: i extract it on my other computer (mac) and looks if i can access things... |
| 04:39.21 | PaulTT | now, why would ifup eth1 say: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 04:39.22 | PaulTT | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 04:39.50 | Tramp | ringo999: ah, ok. So it's more a "plausibility check". |
| 04:40.00 | ringo999 | Tramp: yes... |
| 04:40.37 | Tramp | ringo999: ok, however, gtg - Wish you the best of luck 8) |
| 04:40.37 | PaulTT | the card was swapped out--do I need to change something to get it to recognize the new card? |
| 04:40.43 | PaulTT | lspci shows the ethernet card installed |
| 04:41.24 | amphi | PaulTT: is a module loaded for it? |
| 04:41.41 | PaulTT | amphi: I'm not sure--how can I tell? |
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| 04:42.04 | amphi | PaulTT: the interface will show up in ifconfig -a output |
| 04:42.31 | PaulTT | hmm... I have an eth3 now.. |
| 04:42.33 | PaulTT | perhaps it's now eth3? |
| 04:43.08 | PaulTT | apparently, now it's eth3 |
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| 04:43.29 | enforcer_ | http://pastebin.com/m2b88b08e |
| 04:43.34 | enforcer_ | please take a look |
| 04:43.40 | PaulTT | what would cause it to go from eth1 to eth3? |
| 04:43.48 | enforcer_ | amsn seems to work fine in fluxbox, but in xfce it is all big |
| 04:46.08 | PaulTT | another question, my postfix is presenting itself as machine.localdomain instead of machine.mydomain.net -- how can I correct that? |
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| 04:48.18 | PaulTT | would that have something to do with /etc/hosts? |
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| 04:48.51 | o2T7 | enforcer_: Have you tried gaim, kopete, or even centericq? ;) |
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| 04:50.47 | o2T7 | PaulTT: `man hostname hosts` |
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| 04:53.05 | PaulTT | thanks |
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| 04:54.09 | o2T7 | paulTT: no problem |
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| 05:09.26 | jim_p | !conky |
| 05:09.26 | dpkg | highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo, and also peewee herman's robot |
| 05:11.59 | jim_p | hi. I have a minor provblem with conky. Upon login, the fonts are not antialliased and they look ugly.I have to kill it and restart to make them antialliased. I use the Verdana font and i have set xftalpha to 1.0. |
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| 05:27.00 | enforcer_ | Hi cancan someone please send me their mail config file? I'm trying to setup my own mail server but im having trouble |
| 05:28.25 | wols | !tell enforcer_ about errors |
| 05:28.33 | wols | and sending you their mail config usually doesn't help |
| 05:30.09 | enforcer_ | basically i have a static ip, which resolves to enforcer.kicks-ass.org, i'd like to be able to send and receive mail to that an example say username@enforcer.kicks-ass.net |
| 05:30.53 | enforcer_ | are there any guides on howto do this? i've had a look at exim4 but can't make too much out of it |
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| 05:32.19 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.31 | wols | and you STILL havenA't followed the factoid you were given |
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| 05:32.43 | NetEcho___ | When I did my kernel upgrade I get this on reboot |
| 05:32.58 | NetEcho___ | ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 05:33.04 | enforcer_ | i haven't got to the point of getting any error messages yet.. i've just realised that exim4 isn't a mail client as such |
| 05:33.07 | liable | enforcer_: workaround.org has a very good postfix doc |
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| 05:33.21 | enforcer_ | thanks liable, and ta wols |
| 05:33.36 | NetEcho___ | it seems to have stopped recognizing my hdd |
| 05:33.37 | wols | liable: overkill for about 3 orders of magnitude |
| 05:33.49 | wols | NetEcho___: hdd controller? kernel? |
| 05:33.53 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about errors |
| 05:33.55 | liable | wols: meh |
| 05:34.29 | NetEcho___ | wols: that is the exact error |
| 05:34.31 | NetEcho___ | ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 05:34.38 | NetEcho___ | thats all it shows on screen |
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| 05:34.48 | enforcer_ | anyway guys i'll have a go at postfix, thanks for the tip - p.s. is it a client itself? i haven't used these operating systems in a good five years and my mem is a little messed up |
| 05:34.50 | liable | so what is in /dev? |
| 05:35.09 | liable | no, its an mta |
| 05:35.11 | NetEcho___ | kernel is a newly compiled 2.6.24.3 with the old .config just updated |
| 05:35.26 | NetEcho___ | liable: /dev is kinda cut off because of the enormous text size and no text editor |
| 05:35.28 | enforcer_ | like exim4? |
| 05:35.30 | liable | so go back and recheck your config |
| 05:35.31 | wols | NetEcho___: there is more to the factoid |
| 05:35.44 | wols | NetEcho___: and I asked you more. so don't divert |
| 05:35.44 | enforcer_ | can anyone recommend a mail client besides mail/mailx? |
| 05:35.57 | wols | NetEcho___: so it's a custom kernel? |
| 05:36.08 | liable | enforcer_: mutt, if you want a text based one |
| 05:36.14 | wols | NetEcho___: sylpheed |
| 05:36.18 | NetEcho___ | wols: yes to fix a problem with the old one not working with certain modules |
| 05:36.24 | NetEcho___ | sylpheed? |
| 05:36.32 | enforcer_ | ta will have a look, thanks again liable |
| 05:36.36 | wols | NetEcho___: what is your kernel-package commandline? |
| 05:36.44 | NetEcho___ | hrm? |
| 05:37.05 | NetEcho___ | I followed the debian tutorial for compiling a custom kernel |
| 05:37.24 | NetEcho___ | and cp'd the old config file from /boot to use |
| 05:37.58 | wols | last chance: either you answer what I actually ask or you can go ans let someone else solve your problems |
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| 05:38.09 | NetEcho___ | I have no clue what you're looking for |
| 05:38.20 | NetEcho___ | what do you mean kernel-package commandline? |
| 05:38.42 | wols | how did you compile your kernel exactly? what commands? |
| 05:38.46 | NetEcho___ | oh |
| 05:38.56 | NetEcho___ | ok so I started with make menuconfig after copying the conf |
| 05:39.03 | NetEcho___ | then I did make-kpkg clean |
| 05:39.35 | NetEcho___ | then the make-kpkg --initrd --revision (not sure the whole syntax copied from the README.gz) |
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| 05:39.53 | NetEcho___ | then dpkg -i linux-image.deb |
| 05:39.59 | NetEcho___ | I do believe thats everything |
| 05:39.59 | wols | and the initrd. file exists in /Boot for it? |
| 05:40.11 | wols | last but not least: what hardware controller? |
| 05:40.13 | NetEcho___ | let me check |
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| 05:40.50 | NetEcho___ | HW controler would be found in lsmod right? |
| 05:40.53 | NetEcho___ | oh wait can't access lsmod from here |
| 05:41.16 | NetEcho___ | by hardware controler do you mean the chipset? |
| 05:41.27 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about what is my hardware |
| 05:41.40 | NetEcho___ | nada from dpkg |
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| 05:41.53 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ what's my hardwarre |
| 05:42.02 | NetEcho___ | same |
| 05:42.06 | NetEcho___ | I can tell you this |
| 05:42.10 | NetEcho___ | SiS662 Graphics and Memory Controller (Northbridge) and SiS964L I/O controller (Southbridge) |
| 05:42.22 | NetEcho___ | if thats what you need |
| 05:43.17 | wols | SATA or PATA? |
| 05:43.23 | NetEcho___ | SATA |
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| 05:43.39 | wols | grep SATA_SIS /boot/config-<new kernel version> |
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| 05:44.11 | NetEcho___ | boot doesn't seem to be mounted in this limited environment |
| 05:44.13 | NetEcho___ | hold on |
| 05:44.18 | NetEcho___ | let me try to boot the old kernel |
| 05:44.38 | wols | then mount it if you can. fdisk -l |
| 05:45.01 | NetEcho___ | old kernel boots |
| 05:46.04 | NetEcho___ | wols: grep returns nothing |
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| 05:46.15 | wols | what is your commandline for it? |
| 05:46.26 | NetEcho___ | you mean for grep? |
| 05:46.30 | NetEcho___ | I used what you told me |
| 05:46.32 | wols | yes |
| 05:46.36 | wols | pastebin it |
| 05:46.42 | wols | or paste since it's only one line |
| 05:46.44 | NetEcho___ | the old .config shows CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIS=m |
| 05:47.09 | NetEcho___ | can't really pastebin with this |
| 05:47.09 | wols | that'S what the new one needs too. even better would be "y" |
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| 05:47.20 | NetEcho___ | weird it shoulda be enabled |
| 05:47.30 | NetEcho___ | I used the .config from the old kernel |
| 05:47.35 | NetEcho___ | or is it just a conf option |
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| 05:48.18 | Gm4n | I realize this isn't exactly a debian-specific question (although I am on debian), but I'm wondering how I go about unfirewalling a port with iptables |
| 05:48.44 | wols | depends how you firewaalled it |
| 05:48.52 | wols | just add it to you fw |
| 05:49.05 | NetEcho___ | wols: does that mean I didn't compile the kernel right or just the .config needs to be changed? |
| 05:49.40 | Gm4n | wols, that's the thing... I don't understand how it got firewalled. "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 05:50.24 | zero88_ | when i try to change a wireless essid with iwconfig essid "...." nothing changes in /etc/network/interfaces. why is that? Is it becuase it is set in the network settings GUI, and it stays the same as that one? |
| 05:50.37 | wols | !wayttd |
| 05:50.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 05:50.50 | zero88_ | me? |
| 05:50.53 | wols | NetEcho___: you fucked up your kernel config and therefore the compile |
| 05:51.01 | NetEcho___ | ok |
| 05:51.23 | wols | zero88_: /etc/network/interfaces needs to be edited. it's the only way it chances |
| 05:51.27 | wols | *changes |
| 05:51.28 | NetEcho___ | wouldn't happen to know what section of menuconfig its under would you? |
| 05:51.38 | wols | NetEcho___: sata drivers of course |
| 05:51.46 | NetEcho___ | k |
| 05:51.51 | wols | Gm4n: how do you do nat? homebrew script or what? |
| 05:51.57 | NetEcho___ | and how do I remove the broken kernel using dpkg? |
| 05:52.03 | zero88_ | wols you cant edit it by sudo iwconfig essid "myessid" ? |
| 05:52.13 | wols | zero88_: no of course not |
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| 05:52.18 | wols | iwconfig is for current session only |
| 05:52.30 | Gm4n | wols: this system is primary a VPN host with two interfaces... you VPN to external interface, and it pops you on the lan (internal interface) |
| 05:52.33 | wols | NetEcho___: remove it like any other package |
| 05:52.41 | zero88_ | wols, what do you mean current session? |
| 05:52.44 | wols | Gm4n: did I ask you that? |
| 05:52.45 | zero88_ | wols sry |
| 05:52.46 | NetEcho___ | apt-get remove --purge blah.deb? |
| 05:52.55 | wols | zero88_: current linux session, boot, run, etc |
| 05:52.59 | Gm4n | wols, I'm not sure. I thought so ;) |
| 05:53.05 | wols | it is not permanent whatever you do with iwconfig after the next boot |
| 05:53.44 | wols | I certainly didn't ask you what the host does |
| 05:53.57 | NetEcho___ | wols: the way I usualy remove packages doesn't work |
| 05:54.06 | zero88_ | wols ok i see. but should that still edit /etc/network/interfaces for the current session? |
| 05:54.09 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about doesn't work |
| 05:54.12 | Gm4n | sorry about that. I don't understand what the question means, then. |
| 05:54.14 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about bat |
| 05:54.29 | wols | Gm4n: how do you enable NAT? |
| 05:54.41 | Gm4n | I wasn't aware I was doing anything to enable NAT |
| 05:54.51 | Gm4n | ooh, is DHCP a valid answer? |
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| 05:54.57 | wols | a"iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 05:55.01 | wols | DHCP is NOT NAT |
| 05:55.07 | wols | and the line above does NAT |
| 05:55.11 | NetEcho___ | wols: apt-get trys to remove packages that are in its updated database I'm trying to remove a custom .deb file |
| 05:55.25 | wols | NetEcho___: how did you install your kernel? |
| 05:55.31 | NetEcho___ | dpkg -i |
| 05:55.35 | NetEcho___ | as the manual said |
| 05:56.06 | Gm4n | wols, as far as I'm aware, I'm not doing anything to enable NAT |
| 05:56.09 | wols | so it stands to reason to use the same command to remove it no? don't jsut follow stuff by rote (It's what brought you the troubles). understand why you did them and WHAT you did them |
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| 05:56.24 | wols | otherwise some shithead WILL tell you a command that roots your box for him some day |
| 05:56.30 | NetEcho___ | doesn't -i install? |
| 05:56.35 | wols | it does |
| 05:56.41 | wols | if you mean the dpkg option |
| 05:56.53 | phorce1 | -i isn't a command, it's a switch to a command |
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| 05:57.13 | phorce1 | he said to use the same command to uninstall --- different switch |
| 05:57.36 | NetEcho___ | well its saying deinstall is invalid but the manual says otherwise |
| 05:58.05 | wols | where does the manual say "deinstall" is valid? |
| 05:58.08 | NetEcho___ | same with -r |
| 05:58.20 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about bat |
| 05:58.36 | ic3man05 | how do I unblock ports? |
| 05:58.47 | wols | ic3man05: depends how you blocked them |
| 05:58.49 | ic3man05 | telnet refuses to connect to localhost |
| 05:58.54 | NetEcho___ | its kinda hard to pastebin from a system thats not connected to the internet |
| 05:58.57 | ic3man05 | default debian etch install |
| 05:59.05 | wols | as it should. anyone running in.telnetd should be shot |
| 05:59.08 | Gm4n | ic3man05, you sure you're running a telnet daemon? |
| 05:59.18 | phorce1 | who named that factoid "bat"? <heh> |
| 05:59.19 | ic3man05 | i'm trying my own port |
| 05:59.49 | wols | etch default doesn't block ANY ports at all |
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| 05:59.59 | ic3man05 | hmm ok |
| 06:00.14 | wols | ic3man05: have you checked if anything listens on that port and if so what? |
| 06:00.17 | phorce1 | NetEcho___: are you trying to uninstall a custom kernel that is currently RUNNING or did you reboot using an old kernel already? |
| 06:00.41 | wols | phorce1: one can easily uninstall a running kernel. debian is not windows |
| 06:01.05 | ic3man05 | wols, I made a simple program using sockets (trying to learn it) and its currently running but telnet refuses to connect to it. |
| 06:01.29 | NetEcho___ | phorce1: rebooted with old one |
| 06:01.32 | phorce1 | wols: But with his current problems getting it to uninstall (whatever is really happening) I'm wondering if he'll be able to boot at all after using -r or --purge |
| 06:01.40 | ic3man05 | wols, its probably something with my program but I figured if its something debian is blocking I'd try that first before going into circles with my code =) |
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| 06:01.59 | wols | ic3man05: how did you check the port is listening? |
| 06:02.20 | NetEcho___ | -r is saying its not instaled |
| 06:02.26 | wols | phorce1: he had a kernel from before still installed which he apparently uses now |
| 06:02.58 | wols | phorce1: but until he gets his head out of his ass and pastebins the error he can go an solve his own problems |
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| 06:03.08 | wols | phorce1: why? |
| 06:03.17 | wols | phorce1: and don't tell me cause it needs a newer kernel |
| 06:03.17 | ic3man05 | wols, I didn't I just assumed it was, I didn't know there was a way? |
| 06:03.30 | NetEcho___ | wols: you don't seem to understand you can't pastebin when you can't physicaly copy into pastebin |
| 06:03.32 | ic3man05 | wols, is there a way to check listening ports in debian |
| 06:03.36 | NetEcho___ | there is no network connection on that box |
| 06:03.46 | NetEcho___ | therefore all the work I am doing to it is with a keyboard and monitor |
| 06:03.51 | wols | ic3man05: netstat -anp |
| 06:03.51 | NetEcho___ | and using a laptop to communicate here |
| 06:04.06 | phorce1 | wols: A few modules for vdr that aren't backported and the MythTV svn looks like it would prefer lenny |
| 06:04.40 | phorce1 | NetEcho___: -l |grep is your friend for installed package lists |
| 06:04.54 | NetEcho___ | k will try |
| 06:05.13 | Gm4n | wols, how would nat be enabled by default? |
| 06:05.29 | Gm4n | from what I'm reading from the man page, NAT is one of the three tables I can choose from |
| 06:05.30 | ic3man05 | wols, tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21321 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 22652/a.out |
| 06:05.35 | ic3man05 | that seems correct no? |
| 06:05.43 | NetEcho___ | lol |
| 06:05.56 | NetEcho___ | there we go |
| 06:06.06 | wols | ic3man05: what is your telnet line? |
| 06:06.13 | NetEcho___ | now the only kernel sata option I can find is just a generic Serial ATA and ATA disk support |
| 06:06.17 | NetEcho___ | should that enable it? |
| 06:06.32 | NetEcho___ | or do I have to go elsewhere to look for SIS SATA drivers? |
| 06:06.33 | wols | NetEcho___: yes. and a new world will open |
| 06:06.48 | ic3man05 | wols, haha I don't know what I did but it works now... |
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| 06:06.54 | wols | tho you fucked up your copying over of the old .config. big time |
| 06:07.08 | wols | so imho I'd redo that step |
| 06:07.19 | NetEcho___ | ok |
| 06:07.38 | NetEcho___ | so as root cp /boot/.config(versionhere) . |
| 06:07.42 | NetEcho___ | make menuconfig |
| 06:07.44 | phorce1 | I would get the source of whatever version current is in the install packages and rip the old config out of there as a base to start with. |
| 06:08.15 | wols | phorce1: I'd get a 2.4.24 source actaully and use its .config |
| 06:08.28 | wols | NetEcho___: no |
| 06:08.32 | wols | both wrong |
| 06:08.35 | NetEcho___ | ok |
| 06:08.40 | NetEcho___ | so thats where I fucked up |
| 06:09.08 | NetEcho___ | may I ask what the correct syntax would be? |
| 06:09.09 | wols | a cp /boot/config(version) ./.config |
| 06:09.15 | wols | then make oldconfig |
| 06:09.15 | NetEcho___ | ok |
| 06:09.18 | NetEcho___ | ah |
| 06:09.25 | wols | but as I said: use a debian 2.4.24 kernel config as the souce |
| 06:10.17 | NetEcho___ | why a 2.4 config? |
| 06:10.38 | phorce1 | wols: but for his current machine it appears that would require the use of a sneakernet connection since it has no internet. Starting with the config from the currently working kernel should do for now. |
| 06:10.56 | NetEcho___ | phorce1: it will have a net connection later on |
| 06:11.00 | NetEcho___ | when I can get another cable for it |
| 06:11.22 | wols | phorce1: do you know how long a make oldconfig takes for 2.6.19 to 2.6.24 and how many questions it will ask? |
| 06:11.35 | NetEcho___ | wols: I am starting to see that |
| 06:11.35 | wols | and how obscure oens where he doesn't have a single clue? |
| 06:11.51 | NetEcho___ | should I run make menuconfig afterwards to make use of the helpfiles? |
| 06:11.53 | wols | 2.6.24 rather |
| 06:11.56 | Gm4n | Any iptables gurus (or at least somewhat proficient users) around? I don't wanna pester wols too much, as he's supporting the whole channel at once. |
| 06:12.19 | wols | Gm4n: when you're too stupid to answer clear questions no one will be able to help you |
| 06:12.25 | wols | and ask to ask is stupid too |
| 06:12.40 | wols | and last but not least usually iptables questions got directod to #iptables |
| 06:12.48 | Gm4n | ahh, bingo. Thanks :) |
| 06:12.56 | phorce1 | wols: heh |
| 06:13.02 | NetEcho___ | a lot of these new options I went over in the make menuconfig so I have an idea what they are |
| 06:13.38 | liable | then why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 06:13.59 | wols | liable: makes a bigger epenis! |
| 06:14.12 | NetEcho___ | cause certain modules don't wanna run properly under 2.6.18 and a few other users I know solved this by upgrading to atleast 2.6.21 |
| 06:14.12 | wols | cheaper than herbal viagra too |
| 06:14.24 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about backports |
| 06:14.29 | NetEcho___ | tried backports |
| 06:14.36 | liable | NetEcho___: you can install a newer debian image |
| 06:14.51 | NetEcho___ | from lenny or something? |
| 06:14.55 | wols | liable: telling him to upgrade to lenny or sid? |
| 06:15.00 | wols | liable: I expected better from you |
| 06:15.07 | liable | wols: where did i say that? |
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| 06:15.42 | NetEcho___ | whats the newest debian kernel I can install without changing all software over to testing |
| 06:15.43 | wols | < liable> NetEcho___: you can install a newer debian image. debian image for me means a different ISO |
| 06:15.50 | NetEcho___ | if the kernel is testing I'm fine with that |
| 06:15.50 | wols | 2.6.24 |
| 06:15.58 | NetEcho___ | ok and how do I go about doing this? |
| 06:15.59 | liable | wols: well your definition is wrong |
| 06:16.06 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about backports |
| 06:16.24 | NetEcho___ | whats the full package name? |
| 06:16.30 | NetEcho___ | I have backports setup for apt-get |
| 06:16.32 | wols | !tell NetEcho___ about search |
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| 06:16.59 | liable | NetEcho___: it will be linux-image-2.6 something, search for that |
| 06:17.02 | netdaemon | anyone know how to get suspend/hibernate options in kde's logout menu? |
| 06:17.16 | NetEcho___ | ah image I was doing kenerl |
| 06:17.29 | wols | netdaemon: is susped/hibernate working? |
| 06:17.37 | reZo_ | hey, does anyone now how to chagne the title of a xterm window, i'm trying -title string, but it doesn't work, and -T string works, but changes back after a second :S |
| 06:17.42 | NetEcho___ | 2.6.22 it would seem is the newest in backports |
| 06:17.54 | netdaemon | wols: of course, i can do it from kpowersave's little right click menu fine |
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| 06:18.23 | krinns | hi all when i try to do ssh on my remote machine it says ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 06:18.26 | krinns | ? |
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| 06:18.49 | wally | holaaaa |
| 06:18.52 | NetEcho___ | hrm no core2 optimized ones |
| 06:18.59 | kgoetz | krinns: really? do you have a question though? |
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| 06:19.12 | krinns | ya |
| 06:19.15 | krinns | whats this |
| 06:19.19 | krinns | why i cant ssh |
| 06:19.21 | phorce1 | krinns: when you have a complete error line like that, try googling it. |
| 06:19.30 | NetEcho___ | wols: sorry to be such a pain in the ass btw |
| 06:19.38 | liable | krinns: is it set up for keys? |
| 06:19.48 | netdaemon | wols: i'm just wondering why its not showing in kde's logout dialogue |
| 06:19.55 | liable | NetEcho___: they are all smp enabled these days |
| 06:20.22 | NetEcho___ | liable: is that the only optimization setting CPU type to Core 2 / Xeon does? |
| 06:20.23 | krinns | no |
| 06:20.25 | krinns | not at all |
| 06:20.54 | wols | NetEcho___: no. but get the 686 kernel |
| 06:21.04 | NetEcho___ | ah ok |
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| 06:21.16 | NetEcho___ | is the newer .24 kernel available in lenny or something? |
| 06:21.20 | liable | NetEcho___: thats actually a different thing, i am not sure how debian kernels implement that. |
| 06:21.23 | liable | no |
| 06:21.36 | wols | sid. and kmuto has a 2.6.24 etch isntaller |
| 06:21.44 | NetEcho___ | well hopefully .22 will fix my lm-sensors issues |
| 06:21.47 | wols | so at least he compile a backport of it for etch |
| 06:22.13 | wols | liable: smp is a distinct kernel config option |
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| 06:22.34 | liable | wols: yeah, i was talking about the processor type |
| 06:23.03 | wols | simply setting that in the config too and compiling? |
| 06:23.05 | NetEcho___ | here goes nothing |
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| 06:23.51 | NetEcho___ | so from now on I should just check backports for newer kernels? |
| 06:24.00 | mip | with two active eth interfaces, is it possible to download single file simultaneously. i.e. half through eth0 and half through eth1 ? |
| 06:24.03 | wols | at least you should check there first |
| 06:24.18 | NetEcho___ | I think its probably safer for all involved lol |
| 06:24.41 | NetEcho___ | booting .22-4 |
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| 06:25.13 | NetEcho___ | what exactly is MTA? |
| 06:25.14 | deadcat | i am trying to ftp a 1gig file to remote server. which ftp client shows how fast its going? |
| 06:25.18 | deadcat | !mta |
| 06:25.18 | dpkg | mta is, like, Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
| 06:25.29 | NetEcho___ | and how do I keep it from mooting |
| 06:25.31 | NetEcho___ | *booting |
| 06:25.35 | NetEcho___ | it takes forever to boot |
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| 06:26.00 | wols | deadcat: ncftp? |
| 06:26.09 | deadcat | wols: hmm. dont know the syntax (= |
| 06:26.20 | wols | fix your MTA instead? or use a simpler one? |
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| 06:26.29 | phorce1 | NetEcho___: exim usually starts quickly -- it's AppleTalk that takes for freakin ever |
| 06:26.34 | NetEcho___ | I don't use emails on that system |
| 06:26.40 | wols | for ncftp? "ncftp""enter" |
| 06:26.44 | wols | great syntax that |
| 06:26.56 | deadcat | wols: but it just say incorrect login |
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| 06:27.02 | wols | NetEcho___: debian still needs local mail delivery |
| 06:27.07 | NetEcho___ | oh I see |
| 06:27.13 | wols | deadcat:help open |
| 06:27.17 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:27.18 | NetEcho___ | how would I go about speeding up its load time |
| 06:27.35 | wols | fiy our DNS or whatever makes it slowly starting |
| 06:27.56 | deadcat | wols: thanks (= |
| 06:27.58 | liable | you normally get that problem when networking isnt working properly |
| 06:28.26 | NetEcho___ | like not plugged in? |
| 06:28.30 | NetEcho___ | lol |
| 06:28.54 | phorce1 | NetEcho___: search through packages on debian.org looking for those that provide MTA and read the descriptions. Should be one that touts itself as resource friendly. |
| 06:29.35 | NetEcho___ | let me steal the ethernet cable off another pc for a sec and see if it still boots slowly |
| 06:29.35 | phorce1 | ahh, liable, that too. Forgot he has no net on that machine right now. |
| 06:30.05 | wols | !ssmtp |
| 06:30.05 | dpkg | i heard ssmtp is an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 06:30.24 | NetEcho___ | whats the default mta? |
| 06:30.41 | phorce1 | NetEcho___: I think it's still exim |
| 06:30.49 | liable | NetEcho___: set it to local mail only, and it shouldnt time out during boot iirc |
| 06:31.13 | NetEcho___ | exim isn't installed |
| 06:31.29 | NetEcho___ | oh |
| 06:31.29 | wols | how did you check? |
| 06:31.30 | NetEcho___ | it is |
| 06:31.38 | NetEcho___ | exim4 |
| 06:32.48 | NetEcho___ | much better with ssmtp |
| 06:33.08 | techsalvager | my wifi not work correctly |
| 06:33.43 | techsalvager | need nelp please |
| 06:34.01 | liable | describe clearly what isnt working |
| 06:34.02 | phorce1 | !tell techsalvager about ask |
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| 06:35.44 | techsalvager | dell broadcom minipci card |
| 06:35.46 | NetEcho___ | I wish I had a box of cable and some ends |
| 06:36.05 | NetEcho___ | would make things even better cause then I could put that box in a completely different room |
| 06:36.13 | NetEcho___ | behind the fridge in a little secret storage area |
| 06:36.24 | techsalvager | debian sees it |
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| 06:36.57 | techsalvager | but no wifi |
| 06:37.55 | techsalvager | ubuntu worked yine witd it |
| 06:38.00 | liable | techsalvager: you are going to have to explain what you have tried a little better. we arent mind readers |
| 06:38.33 | liable | firstly, look at your dmesg output from when the module was loaded |
| 06:38.33 | techsalvager | ok |
| 06:38.41 | techsalvager | k |
| 06:38.45 | kgoetz | 17:05 < techsalvager> dell broadcom minipci card |
| 06:38.51 | kgoetz | your in trouble already... |
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| 06:39.11 | liable | techsalvager: is english your native language? |
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| 06:40.46 | justin212 | thanks |
| 06:41.00 | gynterk | liable, Ya lily livered bilge rat! |
| 06:41.12 | liable | arr? |
| 06:41.17 | justin212 | found something |
| 06:41.20 | gynterk | http://www.syddware.com/cgi-bin/pirate.pl |
| 06:41.23 | gynterk | :P |
| 06:41.39 | justin212 | bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. |
| 06:41.39 | justin212 | bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2) |
| 06:41.48 | justin212 | sorry |
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| 06:42.05 | liable | justin212: there ya go. get your firmware installed and try again. |
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| 06:43.32 | justin212 | liable, and where do i put it at |
| 06:43.44 | liable | justin212: /lib/firmware/ |
| 06:44.15 | justin212 | ex |
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| 06:44.16 | justin212 | ok |
| 06:44.48 | NetEcho___ | where might I find a list of all the apt-get mirrors for sources.list? |
| 06:45.06 | liable | !mirrors |
| 06:45.06 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 06:47.38 | NetEcho___ | ouu apt-spy |
| 06:47.39 | justin212 | sorry i am trying to get used no dovark liable |
| 06:48.11 | NetEcho___ | interesting a lot of name lookup timeouts |
| 06:50.02 | NetEcho___ | interesting nslookup can find the info on domains no problem but apt-spy keepts getting Error: name lookup timed out |
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| 06:52.29 | NetEcho___ | aha it didn't like my nameservers |
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| 06:56.40 | NetEcho___ | apt-spy is nifty |
| 06:57.34 | phorce1 | 493 RC bugs to scan through to decide if I want to lennyize my etch box |
| 06:58.14 | purpleposeidon | Lenninization. |
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| 07:00.46 | NetEcho___ | Has anyone had problems with apt-spy segment faulting after a few benchmarks? |
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| 07:09.55 | tarzeau | freebsd 7.0 is out! |
| 07:10.25 | kgoetz | um. yay? |
| 07:10.57 | tarzeau | any sponsors around? |
| 07:11.04 | tarzeau | kgoetz: there's debian gnu/kfreebsd you know... |
| 07:11.35 | kgoetz | tarzeau: yeah i do. |
| 07:11.47 | tarzeau | kgoetz: diversion helps quality and stuff, you know people also use different compilers for their sources... |
| 07:12.22 | liable | tarzeau: did i hear someone say you got your dd stripes? |
| 07:12.31 | kgoetz | tarzeau: spare me the lecture. i coldnt care less if freebsd 5001 is released |
| 07:12.38 | tarzeau | liable: nah. what are stripes? |
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| 07:12.48 | tarzeau | liable: i'm a debian ninja (selfmade title) |
| 07:12.53 | liable | tarzeau: ya know, like lines next to each other.. |
| 07:13.08 | liable | heh |
| 07:13.21 | tarzeau | liable: i don't get it.. maybe you want to explain in some very simple basic engrish? |
| 07:13.55 | liable | tarzeau: it stems from army i think, you know, when you get your captains stripes.. pilots bars, that sort of thing. |
| 07:14.18 | tarzeau | liable: ah i see, no doesn't look like i get a 2nd chance |
| 07:14.21 | kgoetz | afk. going home |
| 07:15.26 | tarzeau | liable: but are you tracking music, musically talented/experienced? |
| 07:15.32 | tarzeau | bubbros got into debian! now anyone plays? |
| 07:15.50 | liable | tarzeau: not really, i had a drum kit once, and i have some decks for mixing. |
| 07:16.02 | tarzeau | and the popularity contest values for ubuntu stay at around 430000 and the debian ones got stuck at 75000 .. |
| 07:16.03 | liable | ohnos, not bubnbros! |
| 07:16.12 | tarzeau | heh |
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| 07:22.31 | ravn | hey ppl: any WINE guru's here? I'm trying to install FileMaker Pro under WINE but the installation fails, any takes? http://pastebin.com/d119574dd |
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| 07:24.21 | phorce1 | OUCH! ---> 1044 upgraded, 239 newly installed, 42 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 1113MB of archives. After unpacking 702MB of additional disk space will be used. E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 07:24.39 | tarzeau | phorce1: diskspace is cheap nowadays, is that on i386? |
| 07:24.48 | liable | yikes |
| 07:24.49 | tarzeau | ravn: wine of etch or sid? |
| 07:25.05 | tarzeau | ravn: for filemaker we even bought an apple mac to run the server on that... |
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| 07:25.15 | ravn | tarzeau: the packages from the winehq homepage, I was told these are more complete... |
| 07:25.31 | phorce1 | tarzeau: yeah. I have to rearrange. Who knew I'd need a / bigger than 6G |
| 07:25.32 | tarzeau | ravn: ugh. the debian sid wine is just very good, dunno |
| 07:25.43 | ravn | ok, on winehq it says it should install... |
| 07:25.44 | tarzeau | ravn: you could ask debian by bts to update theirs if it's too outdated |
| 07:25.55 | justin212 | how can i open a browser window with root acess ? |
| 07:25.59 | tarzeau | phorce1: you can do some tricks as in |
| 07:26.08 | tarzeau | phorce1: apt-get install some packages, run apt-get clean, then the other bunch |
| 07:26.15 | phorce1 | tarzeau: heh -- apt-get clean just gained me almost a full gig |
| 07:27.07 | phorce1 | tarzeau: doing a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny. Install some the others might get twitchy |
| 07:27.10 | mip | with two active eth interfaces, is it possible to download single file simultaneously. i.e. half through eth0 and half through eth1 ? |
| 07:27.11 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:27.30 | tarzeau | mip: you can do bonding? |
| 07:27.52 | tarzeau | mip: it's 10/100mbit? gbit/10gbit? |
| 07:28.15 | mip | 10/100m |
| 07:28.18 | tarzeau | mip: you could also use say wget on one to get the first half, another wget on the other one... |
| 07:28.45 | mip | tarzeau: how is it possible with wget ? |
| 07:29.14 | mip | wget will take one source IP. right ? |
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| 07:29.22 | tarzeau | mip: wget can continue downloads ahm you'd have to either tell it somehow to download only the 2nd half or prepare a file of half the original size and make it continue it with -c |
| 07:29.36 | tarzeau | mip: oh it's your problem how to make it use THE interface you want |
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| 07:29.47 | phorce1 | If I can pin them down on uptime guarantees I'm planing on replacing a T1 with 4 bonded DSL lines. 24M down and 3M up. |
| 07:30.53 | mip | tarzeau : I am looking for correct string to search in google for making use of two interfaces simultaneously. |
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| 07:32.19 | phorce1 | ADSL with a 1/4 min speed guarantee so that would be a minimum of 8M down speed and 750K up on a bad day. Need to get tech info on how loaded the CO I'd be routed through is. |
| 07:32.27 | BrianSteffens | Hello everyone. I tried to change my driver setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from 'vesa' to 'nvidia' and now when I start up the machine, it goes into KDE and since something is apparently wrong with the nvidia driver, it gets stuck. I can't Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. How can I intercept KDE automatically starting so I can get a shell? (I did not enable ssh =( ) |
| 07:34.08 | sep | BrianSteffens, can you swap to tty1 using ctrl+alt+f1 ? |
| 07:34.40 | sep | BrianSteffens, if not. you can boor in singelusermode |
| 07:34.41 | tarzeau | mip: bonding |
| 07:34.44 | sep | s/boor/boot |
| 07:34.56 | phorce1 | BrianSteffens: boot into single user mode and use update-rc.d to remove the links to kdm/gdm/whatever *dm is running then reboot normally. |
| 07:35.00 | tarzeau | mip: bonding is a module or in the kernel you can load and setup to bond network interfaces |
| 07:35.11 | BrianSteffens | Okay, great -- thank you |
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| 07:35.34 | harpal | Hey is it possible to run windows installation exe and run that software on linux? |
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| 07:35.44 | sep | harpal, you can try with wine, |
| 07:36.13 | sep | harpal, or use a full windows installation, on a virtual machine (vmware/virtualbox/qemu+(kqemu|kvm) |
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| 07:37.07 | sep | harpal, i belive the wine webpage have a list where you can lookup your application and find out if and how it works with eine |
| 07:37.10 | Ububegin | hi folks, has anyone here tried using "Bea Workshop Studio" in ur debian systems.. **The program '' received an X Window System error.** and plus all sorts of errors... Can debian based systems run software packaged for Red Hat... |
| 07:37.48 | harpal | sep: that vmware means I have to create one vmware inlinux of windows and than use it right? |
| 07:37.51 | sep | Ububegin, they dont have a tar gz you can get instead of the rpm ? i |
| 07:38.01 | harpal | sep: ok I am checking win webpage |
| 07:38.33 | Ububegin | i have already installed their bin package... but while running the sw, it annoyingly crashes every 15 mins or so... |
| 07:38.34 | sep | harpal, yeah |
| 07:38.45 | Ububegin | sw=software.. |
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| 07:39.42 | Ububegin | sep: i was wondering whether fedora core software are compliant with debian based system.s |
| 07:39.55 | jelly-home | Ububegin: it's usually better to pastebin the real and complete output instead telling there were lots of errors. In general, one can usually make software for other distros run if the real dependencies are figured out. |
| 07:39.57 | mip | tarzeau: thanks for suggestion. I got correct links |
| 07:39.59 | sep | Ububegin, dont think rpm or tar container for the same binary will have much difference. there is a program called alien that convert a rpm into a .deb but it may just as well mess with your apt database. so personaly i prefer the tarball and install it in /usr/local |
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| 07:40.33 | jelly-home | Ububegin: in addition, Fedora Core != Red Hat. |
| 07:40.53 | jelly-home | (and ubuntu != debian) |
| 07:41.14 | sep | Ububegin, and debian based systems are not indtical either. since there are different versions of libraries |
| 07:41.58 | Ububegin | I installed from a CD...not from online packages... |
| 07:42.01 | jelly-home | Bea something smells like Java to me, so it's possible it can be coerced into working |
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| 07:43.07 | nix_chixor | what ever happend to gnome-app or apps .org |
| 07:43.10 | Ububegin | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m3a5f5f1 |
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| 07:43.48 | sep | have anyone any experience with iscsi + shared access filesystems (like ocfs/gfs) vs nfs regarding performance ? i need to remove a bottleneck on my maildirs |
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| 07:44.22 | nix_chixor | seems like it isnt around any more |
| 07:44.25 | Ububegin | jelly-home: Actually, after some huffing and puffing ...managed to get it working but it annoyingly crashes every 15 mins or so. with the pastebin msg, i have given |
| 07:44.41 | jelly-home | Ububegin: which version of java do you have installed? Does the app specify what it's compatible with? |
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| 07:45.07 | Ububegin | jelly-home: i have java 6 |
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| 07:45.16 | jelly-home | Ububegin: well, try java5 then :-) |
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| 07:45.26 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 07:45.28 | jelly-home | _Sun's_ java5, that is |
| 07:45.37 | Haris1 | Anyone know anything about amavis on lenny/sid? |
| 07:45.49 | Ububegin | jelly-home: oh, u mean it is java problem... and not some GUI (X window thingie) |
| 07:45.53 | Haris1 | I can't make it stop quarantining emails |
| 07:46.03 | Haris1 | where is the CRAP config file? |
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| 07:46.25 | Haris1 | I make chagnes in /etc/amavis/conf/d20-debian_default, but it doesn't take affect |
| 07:46.27 | jelly-home | Ububegin: both are possible. Which version of Debian and xorg are you running? |
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| 07:46.32 | Haris1 | where is the config file? |
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| 07:46.44 | nix_chixor | im my stomach |
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| 07:47.15 | enforcer_ | hi |
| 07:47.25 | enforcer_ | how can I setup my wifi card in AP mode? |
| 07:47.28 | Haris1 | where does debian keep amavis's config file? |
| 07:47.44 | jelly-home | Haris1: /etc/amavis/conf.d/, where you found it? |
| 07:47.47 | enforcer_ | when I do lspci, I can see it and I do iwconfig and it shows empty values |
| 07:47.48 | Ububegin | jelly-home: ahmm, sorry... but i dont use Debian but ubuntu... hope u dont ignore me for that... |
| 07:48.01 | Haris1 | jelly-home: Either the package is in bad shape |
| 07:48.02 | jelly-home | Ububegin: I will, thank you for playing! :-) |
| 07:48.05 | Haris1 | or I'm going nuts |
| 07:48.35 | Haris1 | jelly-home: Where do I set $QUARANTINDIR so the damn thing stops saving quarantined mails |
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| 07:48.56 | Haris1 | I made changes in /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults |
| 07:49.01 | Haris1 | but its not working |
| 07:49.03 | Ububegin | jelly-home: k.. at least can give me some leads so i can follow those... |
| 07:49.42 | Haris1 | $QUARANTINEDIR is only set in this file |
| 07:49.50 | Haris1 | not in any other files under /etc/amavis |
| 07:50.15 | sep | Ububegin, read the documentation, make sure you comply to all the prerequsites and requirements. and ask in your distro's support forum next time (#ubuntu) |
| 07:50.43 | jelly-home | Ububegin: Dunno. There have been problems with xorg 7.3 and xcb-based libx11-6 libraries (currently in debian experimental) with java. I have no idea whather your OS uses those (check dependencies on libx11-6), if it does, try export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 before running the app. |
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| 07:50.49 | crazyfrog | is there any tag in files to reprent the end of file? |
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| 07:51.29 | enforcer_ | anyone? |
| 07:51.41 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: depends on the file type, usually no |
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| 07:52.24 | Haris1 | how do I stop amavis from saving quanrantined mails? |
| 07:52.35 | jelly-home | Ububegin: figuring out the correct mix of xorg/java versions to make the app half-stable will be fun even without us giving you advice that could be harmful on ubuntu. |
| 07:53.15 | crazyfrog | tarzeau: regular file has or not? |
| 07:53.26 | Ububegin | jelly-home: Oh, U mean it cud mess up the OS itself |
| 07:53.42 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: doesn't. some file formats do stuff like that |
| 07:54.23 | jelly-home | Ububegin: some aspects of it, yes. |
| 07:54.38 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: html files usually end with </html> (well should) |
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| 07:55.07 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: but there's no warranty, and there can be any number of whitespaces after that (tab, new lines, spaces) |
| 07:55.14 | jelly-home | Ububegin: it any case, if you're planning to use the tool in production, it's probably the best to run it on a supported platform |
| 07:55.36 | tarzeau | and there's different ways of new lines. as in cr,nl nl cr |
| 07:55.45 | tarzeau | heck even nl,cr oh well |
| 07:55.52 | jelly-home | nl? you mean lf? |
| 07:55.57 | Supaplex | tarzeau: hey there :) |
| 07:55.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes that |
| 07:56.18 | tarzeau | Supaplex: hi |
| 07:56.26 | jelly-home | \n & \r are good friends and go everywhere together! |
| 07:56.44 | DustyBin | what kind of computer desks do you guys use at home? |
| 07:56.51 | DustyBin | multi level desk, or a single shelfer? |
| 07:56.57 | Ububegin | jelly-home: you got any recommendations for j2ee development tool (specifically for JSF) ... eclipse is very limited |
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| 07:57.28 | crazyfrog | tarzeau:the tag should not be "EOF",right? |
| 07:57.40 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: EOF is short for end of file |
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| 07:57.52 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: but the end of a file is usually stored somewhere in the filesystem not in a file itself |
| 07:58.00 | jelly-home | Ububegin: no experience there, but the Java guys at work use Eclipse |
| 07:58.11 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: dos had some character for that for text files, that the command "type" would interpret |
| 07:58.29 | tarzeau | crazyfrog: but it is not the end of the file, it's just an ascii character being interpreted by a program as end of file |
| 07:58.32 | Supaplex | F6 (hex) ^Z (alt 26) |
| 07:58.47 | Ububegin | jelly-home: thanks folks...and all else at debian channel.... :D .... |
| 07:59.16 | jelly-home | or ^D in unixworld |
| 07:59.17 | BrianSteffens | Hrm- Just installed the nvidia drivers using http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812, and now when I do startx everything goes blank (like before) and I hear a beep. Machine stops responding to anything except Ctrl+Alt+Del, and cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE (and WW) return nothing. Anyone ever heard of that? |
| 07:59.44 | tarzeau | BrianSteffens: which nvidia driver? which debian? |
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| 08:00.56 | BrianSteffens | tarzeau: I built the kernel from sources in the Etch repo - and I'm using Debian Etch (downloaded netinst an hour ago) |
| 08:01.22 | tarzeau | BrianSteffens: that's fine, i also build linux kernels from source using make-kpkg |
| 08:01.25 | jelly-home | Ububegin: apparently java runs everywhere only for certain values of everywhere |
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| 08:02.05 | Ububegin | jelly-home : is that some kinda a quote... :) |
| 08:02.13 | jetscreamer | !nvrun |
| 08:02.14 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 08:02.22 | godling | Hey fellas. While trying to install ia32-sun-java6-bin I get "dpkg: error processing ia32-sun-java6-bin (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 08:02.47 | jetscreamer | do you have an itanium processor, godling ? |
| 08:02.49 | crazyfrog | tarzeau:thanks |
| 08:02.57 | godling | jetscreamer: No I do not. |
| 08:03.11 | jetscreamer | does ia32 in the package name mean itanium? |
| 08:03.16 | jetscreamer | it does in the kernels |
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| 08:03.21 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 08:03.39 | godling | No, ia32 means 32 bit |
| 08:03.45 | jetscreamer | ia? |
| 08:03.56 | BrianSteffens | jetscreamer: That site's connection timed out :x Good to see dpkg is still around though |
| 08:03.59 | jetscreamer | that is very unfamiliar |
| 08:04.04 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: intel architecture? |
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| 08:04.52 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: ia64 = itanium. ia32 is what debian calls i386 |
| 08:05.37 | justin212 | sup jetscreamer |
| 08:06.04 | jelly-home | godling: I see no such package in Debian, which release and repository did you find it in? |
| 08:06.45 | jelly-home | is there a bot running on x86-64? |
| 08:07.36 | godling | jelly-home: I'm using lenny/sid amd64, it's in non-free |
| 08:08.09 | jelly-home | godling: I see, thanks |
| 08:08.32 | jetscreamer | ah crap Switch Failure update with servers down list |
| 08:08.58 | jelly-home | godling: you can always put a "set -x" in the postinst script, run dpkg --configure -a, and see where it fails |
| 08:09.14 | jelly-home | godling: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
| 08:09.17 | crazyfrog | when i play music through amarok or whatever,it often happens that the program crashed and some noise occured and repeat |
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| 08:10.58 | godling | jelly-home: awesome, thanks |
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| 08:12.14 | harpal | Hey I have done wine setup.exe but it hasnt done anything? It says that Wine exited with a successful status. |
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| 08:12.45 | k-man__ | is there a way to ssh in to a machine and get a "clean shell" |
| 08:13.04 | k-man__ | like, can i tell ssh not to run the normal .profile and .bashrc when i ssh in? |
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| 08:13.32 | tarzeau | k-man__: try bash --help |
| 08:13.44 | tarzeau | k-man__: you can always exec another shell with your own parameters |
| 08:13.56 | k-man__ | tarzeau, ah yeah, good i dea |
| 08:13.57 | manuel_ | which runlevel do i use if i want lessest possible programs running but have network support? |
| 08:14.13 | manuel_ | for testing network... |
| 08:14.13 | tarzeau | manuel_: the one you run, or adapt one for you that does that |
| 08:14.28 | tarzeau | manuel_: then remove/kill/stop all things that you don't want. ps -ef is your friend |
| 08:14.28 | manuel_ | tarzeau: so i should only kill gdm? |
| 08:14.40 | tarzeau | manuel_: rather stop it, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:14.50 | manuel_ | tarzeau: yeah, i meant that. |
| 08:15.18 | manuel_ | tarzeau: init 1 is not good, because i wouldnt have network, would i? |
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| 08:16.11 | k-man__ | how do you tell ssh what to exec on the remote machine/ |
| 08:16.12 | k-man__ | ? |
| 08:16.16 | tarzeau | manuel_: that is also not the default runlevel of debian |
| 08:16.31 | tarzeau | k-man__: you first login, then you run exec bash --nowhatever |
| 08:16.52 | k-man__ | tarzeau, ah, no good as i'm trying to get scp to do this to scp some files across |
| 08:16.52 | tarzeau | manuel_: debian runs in rl 2 (who -r) |
| 08:17.06 | tarzeau | k-man__: then change the shell or reconfigure it |
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| 08:17.49 | k-man__ | tarzeau, is that the only way? |
| 08:18.01 | tarzeau | k-man__: i can't think of another |
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| 08:18.24 | godling|laptop | !paste |
| 08:18.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 08:18.57 | bullgard4 | In what sense is a pcspkr a 'platform device'? |
| 08:19.34 | godling|laptop | it'd be awesome if I could just cat > clipboard |
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| 08:19.49 | manuel__ | ^^ i stopped network-manager |
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| 08:21.11 | DEadPuNk- | can anyone tell me how to dual boot debian4.0 and mandriva 2008? |
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| 08:21.38 | Supaplex | with grub :) |
| 08:21.43 | DEadPuNk- | yup |
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| 08:22.03 | DEadPuNk- | how to edit the grub and which on do i need to install first? |
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| 08:24.03 | Supaplex | use any text editor you know how to use. edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, add the mandrive lines outside the 'magic' autogenerated lines debian manages for you (ala update-grub) |
| 08:24.07 | godling|laptop | http://rafb.net/p/ltLetD96.html |
| 08:24.54 | Supaplex | DEadPuNk-: order of install isn't so important, but your /boot and / partitions (they can be the same) will differ between os installs. |
| 08:25.11 | liable | ah, thats better |
| 08:25.49 | k-man__ | i just started nautilus doing a copy of files from a cd |
| 08:25.57 | k-man__ | its taking ages to "preparing to copy" |
| 08:25.59 | k-man__ | is that normal? |
| 08:26.19 | godling|laptop | jelly-home: for some reason java can't create the virtual machine. |
| 08:26.25 | k-man__ | and how do i get nautilus to not open a new window for each folder i double click on? |
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| 08:27.08 | godling|laptop | ah, it would help if I typed the command correctly. |
| 08:27.41 | jelly-home | godling|laptop: in any case, it's a bug - look in bts for that package and see if it's already submitted |
| 08:28.28 | BrianSteffens | I'm still getting nothing but a beep and a blank screen from 'startx'. Are there any log files that might apply besides /var/log/{daemon.log,kdm.log,kern.log,Xorg.0.log}? |
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| 08:28.48 | godling|laptop | the error is the one I was getting earlier, "Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Attempt to allocate stack guard pages failed.\n Error occurred during initialization of VM\n Could not reserve enough space for code cache" |
| 08:29.00 | NetEcho | Does anyone here know how to fix this issue with lm-sensors http://debian.pastebin.com/d7e68824b |
| 08:29.01 | godling|laptop | the \n are mine |
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| 08:30.14 | godling|laptop | jelly-home: I'll check it out, thanks. |
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| 08:41.55 | jelly-home | godling|laptop: at least now you have something else to google for :-) |
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| 08:42.42 | Jari-- | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occurred while processing libruby1.8 (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 08:42.48 | Jari-- | anyone got this kind of problem yet? |
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| 08:44.38 | jelly-home | !tell Jari-- -about dynamic mmap |
| 08:44.44 | simonrvn | Jari--: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 08:45.13 | moldy | hi |
| 08:45.25 | moldy | what is the "correct" way to set system-wide variables on debian? |
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| 08:47.37 | sep | moldy, /etc/enviorment ? |
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| 08:47.39 | Supaplex | moldy: depends on your $SHELL. try man bash. /etc/profile is for all users, ~/. dotfiles are per user. (err on the latter if you question where it belongs) |
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| 08:49.25 | moldy | sep, Supaplex: ok, thanks |
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| 09:03.48 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:03.49 | dpkg | -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
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| 09:06.30 | eth01 | uh? |
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| 09:08.35 | kloeri | eth01: that bug was discovered and fixed a couple years ago iirc |
| 09:08.56 | cmanns | What would be best for creating rar's at x size? |
| 09:08.59 | kloeri | fun crashing the servers by setting a kline though :p |
| 09:09.09 | eth01 | kloeri, i thought it was a windup :p |
| 09:09.23 | kloeri | nope, it was very real |
| 09:09.53 | Dewi | cmanns: you mean splitting to a number of volumes? |
| 09:10.07 | cmanns | Yeah I don't know what to use to accomplish this |
| 09:10.21 | Dewi | cmanns: don't the normal rar tools do it? |
| 09:10.26 | Dewi | (they do in windows) |
| 09:10.35 | cmanns | its on my server which runs debian lol |
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| 09:10.43 | cmanns | I think I used ot use something like unrar int he past cant remember |
| 09:11.04 | Dewi | cmanns: um... unrar doesn't create rars |
| 09:11.11 | eth01 | kloeri, who'd do such a thing haha |
| 09:11.21 | cmanns | this isnt really a difficult question lol |
| 09:11.48 | Dewi | cmanns: it is if you won't tell us what tool you are using |
| 09:11.56 | kloeri | eth01: mistakes happens - like when I klined *@* for example |
| 09:12.00 | cmanns | I'm not using any darn tool i was asking WHAT tool to use :P |
| 09:12.10 | gynterk | Dewi, rar ? |
| 09:12.13 | Dewi | cmanns: rar? |
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| 09:12.36 | cmanns | When I tried apt-get install rar it ididn't install anything "Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:12.36 | cmanns | " |
| 09:12.36 | Dewi | cmanns: ... seems the obvious choice, really |
| 09:12.43 | cmanns | Well yeah I already tried that |
| 09:12.52 | gynterk | apt-get mc |
| 09:12.56 | Dewi | cmanns: it's in non-free |
| 09:13.33 | Dewi | cmanns: because it's not under a debian-policy-meeting license |
| 09:13.42 | cmanns | i see |
| 09:13.47 | gynterk | yeh |
| 09:14.22 | Dewi | cmanns: in your /etc/apt/sources.list add 'non-free' to the end of a line. Ends of my lines look like this: etch main non-free contrib |
| 09:14.41 | Dewi | (you might not be using etch or wanting contrib packages though) |
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| 09:16.05 | adinc | how can i look if there is an update to my existing installed packeage dovecot |
| 09:17.35 | tralala | adinc, apt-cache policy <package> |
| 09:17.40 | sep | adinc, apt-cache policy dovecot |
| 09:17.46 | sep | !win tralala |
| 09:17.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won the US presidency! |
| 09:17.57 | tralala | woohoo! |
| 09:18.18 | tralala | and everybody thought Obama would beat me! |
| 09:18.30 | sep | :) |
| 09:18.56 | adinc | but dovecot alone doesnät't give any results |
| 09:18.59 | sep | he obviously did to little debian support |
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| 09:19.17 | adinc | but dovecot alone doesnät't give any results i asked for dovecot-common then and it gave me 1.0.rc15 |
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| 09:19.46 | sep | adinc, perhaps you mean dovecot-imapd or dovecot-common |
| 09:20.04 | adinc | then whats the difference to dovecot and dovecot-common? |
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| 09:20.13 | sep | adinc, use dpkg -la | grep <something> to find exaxct speling |
| 09:20.20 | sep | adinc, different packages :) |
| 09:20.44 | adinc | but a aptitude search oesnt give any package called dovecot only dovecot-common. is this normal |
| 09:21.44 | my007ms | how to know if my system is 64bit or not |
| 09:22.01 | gynterk | uname -a |
| 09:22.20 | tralala | my007ms, dpkg-architecture |
| 09:22.54 | my007ms | but i know that 64bit system can use 32bit kernel is this right |
| 09:23.14 | tralala | my007ms, it isn't |
| 09:24.04 | tralala | my007ms, you can have a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland - in which case your system is still 32bit. |
| 09:24.41 | my007ms | and how i know if my hardware support 64bit or not |
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| 09:25.09 | tralala | my007ms, try booting a 64bit installer |
| 09:25.50 | godling|laptop | my007ms: what kind of processor do you have in your machine? |
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| 09:36.03 | my007ms | godling|laptop :) i don't know i am login in the machine over ssh and need to know what kind my machine |
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| 09:37.13 | gynterk | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 09:41.18 | harpal | Hey i have done wine Setup.exe and than its doing nothing. and that exe is installer exe |
| 09:41.25 | godling|laptop | You don't know what kind of CPU is in your own machine? Are you sure this is your machine you are sshing into? |
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| 09:42.57 | gynterk | harpal, logs please |
| 09:43.08 | gynterk | wine version, what Setup.exe |
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| 09:48.02 | nabcore | Have any acx driver users noticed "tx errors" errors when using their wireless card? |
| 09:48.31 | harpal | gynterk: where to find its logg? Setup.exe is a setup installer for MediaRington |
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| 09:54.11 | filipe_ | Is there some command that does the complementary of basename? (Something like basepath) |
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| 09:56.44 | user22 | Hello guys |
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| 09:57.01 | user22 | how to add more ip addresses to eth1 ? |
| 09:57.21 | user22 | for the subnet 255.255.255.224 |
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| 09:57.34 | tarzeau | filipe_: dirname? |
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| 09:58.28 | user22 | ? |
| 09:58.36 | user22 | anyone can help ? |
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| 09:59.16 | tralala | user22, man interfaces |
| 09:59.16 | filipe_ | tarzeau thanks |
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| 10:04.41 | filipe_ | Does anyone know of a multithreaded find? |
| 10:04.55 | filipe_ | My idea is to have more than 1 CPU doing the execs of a find |
| 10:05.16 | tarzeau | filipe_: and what about the disk/disks? |
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| 10:05.37 | tarzeau | filipe_: well you could easily do a find on a bunch of directories launching severl recursive finds... |
| 10:05.39 | filipe_ | tarzeau sure, but most of the time is spent on calculating the exec (maybe 95% of the time) |
| 10:06.09 | filipe_ | tarzeau but it's difficult to balance |
| 10:06.21 | tarzeau | what about you put the output of fine somewhere then run multiple commands on the input? |
| 10:06.22 | filipe_ | It would be nice if there was something builtin |
| 10:06.47 | filipe_ | tarzeau that's a good option |
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| 10:08.29 | Esaj | how well-supported is 64-bit these days? |
| 10:08.45 | Esaj | just wondering whether it's worth getting a 64-bit server with 8GB RAM |
| 10:09.05 | Esaj | would all packages be available in binary form for 64-bit or would I have to recompile? |
| 10:09.35 | Esaj | or can they be run under an emulated mode or something? |
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| 10:10.13 | moshii | Esaj: what arch? |
| 10:10.22 | Esaj | moshii, AMD64 |
| 10:10.26 | moshii | Esaj: there are a few 64bit cpus... |
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| 10:10.44 | et | actually, quite many |
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| 10:11.06 | et | intels core2 cpus are 64-bit, for example |
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| 10:11.26 | et | Esaj: almost everything is available for 64-bit |
| 10:11.51 | moshii | et: so are ppc, mips,.... um everything that isn't x86 has had a 64bit version for a long long time |
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| 10:13.46 | moshii | Esaj: 99.9% of free software is running on amd64.. just like it's running on 64bit sparcs, arm etc. non-free stuff is the biggest "issue". |
| 10:14.00 | Esaj | moshii, ok, cool, thanks |
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| 10:15.58 | cvn | hi |
| 10:15.59 | t04no | ssh root@localhost produces Connection refused on my lenny box. why is that ? |
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| 10:16.05 | Growly | gentlemen. |
| 10:16.35 | cvn | i'm trying to compile something and i got this error: This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead. |
| 10:16.52 | godling | cvn: Do you have ncurses installed? |
| 10:16.58 | et | t04no: is sshd active? |
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| 10:17.33 | godling | !tell cvn about ncurse |
| 10:17.36 | godling | !tell cvn about ncurses |
| 10:17.42 | cvn | godling, i tried to apt-get install ncurses, but i received this: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package ncurses has no installation candidate |
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| 10:18.25 | t04no | et: just found out no. why doesn't debian start sshd by default ? |
| 10:18.59 | cvn | ah godling that solved the problem |
| 10:19.00 | cvn | thanks :P |
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| 10:23.14 | Loady | hi. does anyone know if there is a max amount of files and folders that can fit inside a folders on ext3? |
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| 10:23.46 | RichiH | Loady: not by heart, but wikipedia does |
| 10:25.06 | Loady | well.. it just says about max amout of total files as i understand |
| 10:25.36 | Loady | RichiH: i need to know if there is a limit to how many i can place inside a folder |
| 10:25.59 | et | how many files are you thinking about? |
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| 10:26.40 | Loady | sevral hundred thousand |
| 10:27.09 | et | well, i'd go for 32767 files/dir max |
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| 10:27.56 | tralala | Loady, you can always test it yourself, but for this amount of data you really need a proper database |
| 10:28.10 | Loady | et: thanks, is that the maxium limitation or your recomandation? |
| 10:28.46 | tralala | btw ext2/3 has indexed directories that speed up the access to dirs with many files |
| 10:28.47 | et | i recall a problem when that was the limit. no exact memories though |
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| 10:30.59 | jaj | Hi! I try to recover my debian server in a rescue system. I try to run apt-get update chrooted to the root of the actual system but it doesn't seem to work |
| 10:31.23 | jaj | rescue-vs155129:/mnt# chroot /mnt apt-get update |
| 10:31.29 | jaj | E: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - opendir (530 Unknown error 530) |
| 10:31.33 | Loady | et and tralala: well.. here is the problem, we are taking over a lot of email accounts from a isp. the current structure is subdirectories, for instance. id0/00/120101. our developers want to use a flat structure, witch i realy dislike. but i need some real data about the ext3 filesystem limits. the performance issues im aware of. |
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| 10:31.59 | ShredZ | Where do I tell X I want a default dpi different from 96 ? |
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| 10:33.42 | et | Loady: it seems that there is no hard limit |
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| 10:34.13 | julo_ | hi |
| 10:34.22 | julo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.34 | amphi | ShredZ: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc IIRC |
| 10:34.39 | et | Loady: disregard that |
| 10:37.52 | et | Loady: this is odd. some sources say 2^15, and some say "unlimited" |
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| 10:39.16 | jaj | does anybody have an explanation for this behaviour: http://rafb.net/p/wCQWoh81.html ? |
| 10:40.16 | et | Loady: the 32k seem to be a limit on subdirs |
| 10:41.03 | Polleke | jaj, does dmesg tell you anything? |
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| 10:41.10 | Growly | if wbinfo -u can pull users from active directory, but getent passwd fails... what do i do? |
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| 10:42.04 | jaj | Polleke: I don't have access to dmesg, this is on a virtual system in recovery mode and they clear dmesg |
| 10:42.45 | Slap_Stick | hmm if i want to rsync files over to a box, but that remote box doesn't have rsync on it, is there a way of doing it over ssh ? |
| 10:42.48 | Polleke | jaj, this looks very out of your control then |
| 10:43.54 | Polleke | jaj, actually.. did you change anything to glibc? |
| 10:44.08 | Slap_Stick | i did try and use rsync -avuz -e ssh file*here user@remotehost:~/ but it says rsync command not found, i didn't realise rsync needed to be on both hosts? |
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| 10:44.47 | jaj | Polleke: yeah I tried to upgrade ejabberd to unstable and it tried to upgrade glibc to unstable and now the system doesn't boot anymore and I try to recover it |
| 10:45.12 | Polleke | jaj, seems like someone else tried this before you: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20071208.234122.65573603.en.html |
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| 10:46.19 | Growly | ok... if i can retrieve the user info through getent passwd <user> but it won't list when i run getent passwd, what am i doing wrong now? |
| 10:47.27 | Polleke | jaj, comes down to don't mess with glibc, as you might need to update your entire system aswell |
| 10:50.07 | dondelelcaro | Growly: because user directories often won't show the whole list of possible users |
| 10:51.12 | jaj | Polleke: thanks I'll remember that :/ |
| 10:51.38 | Growly | dondelelcaro - ... go on |
| 10:51.42 | Growly | (thanks btw) |
| 10:51.53 | Growly | it shows no domain accounts at all |
| 10:51.58 | Growly | but i can query them individually |
| 10:51.59 | Polleke | jaj, it's probably recoverable |
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| 10:52.33 | jaj | Polleke: can you run apt-get and tell it to install another root directory? my idea is to downgrade glibc from within the recovery system |
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| 10:52.52 | Polleke | jaj, yes you can.. thats the way to go |
| 10:53.04 | jaj | install *to* another root directory |
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| 10:55.25 | tralala | Loady, as I said you can test it yourself. A simple programme that creates empty files in a dir will give you the answer. |
| 10:55.26 | dondelelcaro | Growly: yes, because there's probably no way for getent to walk the entire tree |
| 10:55.43 | filipe_ | How can I use grep to match a line that contains foo or bar? |
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| 10:55.48 | dondelelcaro | Growly: it's not guaranteed to show the whole list of valid users if you specify a key, so you generally shouldn't expect it to. |
| 10:55.53 | dondelelcaro | filipe_: specify multiple -e |
| 10:56.00 | dondelelcaro | (or grep -e '(foo|bar)' |
| 10:56.06 | filipe_ | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 10:56.24 | dondelelcaro | s/specify/fail to &/ |
| 10:57.02 | filipe_ | I the (foo|bar) doesn't seem to work but i'll try the other |
| 10:57.21 | filipe_ | the other one works :) |
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| 10:57.35 | jaj | Polleke: I can't find how to do it. the manpage doesn't mention it. also the server is on etch whereas the recovery system is on sarge, hope this will not mess up things |
| 10:58.36 | Polleke | jaj, ehmm... did you say apt-get, I meant dpkg. The option is --root IIRC |
| 10:59.02 | jaj | Polleke: thanks |
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| 11:00.19 | Polleke | jaj, be sure to check stuff tho! You need to check dependencies.. what else got upgraded.. be sure you download the right packages |
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| 11:04.10 | Shadur | I'm getting a hell of a lot of segfault errors from proftpd on a sarge system and I think it's what's causing an issue with large (several MB) uploads killing an ftp connection. The error message is "proftpd[7161]: segfault at 102251c4 eip b7cc40ce esp bff6e03c error 4" with only the PID of proftpd changing in each instance. |
| 11:04.21 | liable | hrm |
| 11:04.26 | vaq | Can i read in a .gz file without unzipping it? |
| 11:04.37 | Shadur | I've googled on the error message but can't find anything useful. |
| 11:04.42 | Shadur | vaq: Yes and no, depending. |
| 11:05.07 | Shadur | zless will let you read it, as will properly configured vim, but both of them do so by unzipping it into a ram buffer. |
| 11:05.09 | vaq | Shadur: i want to search for a text-string in mail.log.1.gz |
| 11:05.16 | Shadur | vaq: zgrep |
| 11:05.20 | Roobarb | vaq: zgrep "foo" mail.log.gz |
| 11:05.22 | Shadur | or zcat | grep |
| 11:05.38 | vaq | Thanks guys. |
| 11:06.31 | Polleke | Shadur, is this consisitent? Have you tried uploading large files, and you get a segfault each time? |
| 11:06.50 | Shadur | Polleke: Yes. And the upload fails each time. |
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| 11:07.05 | Polleke | Shadur, standard debian proftpd package? |
| 11:07.36 | Shadur | Polleke: Configured to chroot for all users in the 'webclients' group, but essentially yes. |
| 11:08.36 | Polleke | Shadur, if you login with an account thats not using the chroot does the same happen? |
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| 11:23.14 | enouf | !sig11 |
| 11:23.14 | dpkg | i guess sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 11:24.33 | enouf | there's a lot of stuff in the kernel relating to CRC and such - i think newer ones even moreso (new options), which kernel are you using? |
| 11:25.14 | Shadur | enouf: I know what a segmentation fault does. And it's 2.6.24.2 |
| 11:25.31 | enouf | Shadur: and you compiled it? |
| 11:25.35 | enouf | from vanilla? |
| 11:25.47 | Shadur | enouf: Yes. |
| 11:26.08 | Shadur | gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 11:26.25 | antares | I am in the process of installing nagios this message and I have what I can do |
| 11:26.25 | antares | [Wed Feb 27 12:10:08 2008] [warn] The ScriptAlias directive in / etc/apache2/apache2.conf at line 306 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias. |
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| 11:26.45 | enouf | i think i've crossed some newer options relating to that - i might have even went back into menuconfig and turned off one or two - i forget atm (.23, .24, .25-rc2) |
| 11:27.28 | enouf | Shadur: no issues with older kernels? why not upgrade? |
| 11:27.47 | jaj | 'dpkg --root=/mnt -l' doesn't show what's installed under /mnt but what's installed under /. is that expected behaviour? |
| 11:28.00 | jaj | under / |
| 11:28.33 | enouf | antares: it seems, an earlier option, perhaps even in that same file, but above line 306 conflicts with what 306 says |
| 11:28.53 | Shadur | enouf: Because there was a big honking security bug discovered with all 2.6 kernels < 2.6.24.2 |
| 11:29.13 | enouf | Shadur: right, but it didn't affect < 2.6.17 |
| 11:29.16 | Shadur | One that's kind of extra critical on a system where I have to allow customers to log in. |
| 11:29.25 | Shadur | enouf: I was using a .18 before that. |
| 11:29.42 | enouf | Shadur: a debian one? |
| 11:29.57 | Shadur | Vanilla one. |
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| 11:30.24 | Shadur | Compiling your own custom kernels for 10+ years gets to be a tough habit to break. |
| 11:30.44 | SlayerXP | Shadur: I'm willing to help people with that. |
| 11:30.50 | Nyle | www.weather.com |
| 11:30.51 | enouf | you did make oldconfig? from .18 to .24.2 ? |
| 11:30.54 | Nyle | oops |
| 11:31.04 | SlayerXP | i find the gentle application of a lumphammer to the next unbroken finger bone works wonders |
| 11:31.14 | Nyle | hey guys, g'mornin btw |
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| 11:31.21 | enouf | yo |
| 11:31.30 | Nyle | I went to bed early last night |
| 11:31.37 | Nyle | and just now, I woke up 1 hour before my alarm goes off |
| 11:31.38 | Nyle | :D |
| 11:31.43 | antares | i will comment this line by # |
| 11:32.02 | enouf | hey, btw, is there anything akin to carpel-tunnel-mouse-usage? |
| 11:32.08 | Nyle | yes |
| 11:32.12 | Nyle | very much so |
| 11:32.15 | enouf | this stinks |
| 11:32.30 | enouf | and it's painful in my knuckles |
| 11:32.31 | Nyle | especially coupled with 22 years of guitar and about 16 years of keyboard/mouse usage everday for hours |
| 11:32.39 | Nyle | I need CT surgury bad |
| 11:32.40 | Nyle | :( |
| 11:32.47 | enouf | right - and add construction work to that ;-) |
| 11:32.51 | Nyle | ouch |
| 11:33.04 | Nyle | knucles |
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| 11:33.09 | Nyle | thats not ct |
| 11:33.14 | Nyle | it sounds more like arthritis |
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| 11:33.29 | Nyle | ct causes no pain |
| 11:33.43 | Nyle | loss of feeling because the nerve is being pressed down by the ct |
| 11:33.43 | enouf | it feels like my fingers are being twisted |
| 11:33.52 | Nyle | you could have nerve damage if you don't treat it |
| 11:33.59 | Nyle | enouf: not CT |
| 11:34.04 | Nyle | go get checked out my man |
| 11:34.14 | wols | Shadur: what has a kernel compile to do with the segfaults? |
| 11:34.22 | enouf | b/c twisting in whatever opposite direction the pain is in, feels better, but only momentarily |
| 11:34.36 | Nyle | enouf: make an appt with a doc |
| 11:34.44 | Shadur | wols: Nothing, enough brought it up. |
| 11:34.54 | Nyle | wols: it might |
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| 11:34.59 | enouf | wols: i suggested perhaps it was the newer CRC experimental options |
| 11:35.01 | wols | Shadur: check the call trace |
| 11:35.12 | Shadur | Although the fact that I'm getting the segfaults reported in dmesg might have something to do with it. |
| 11:35.22 | wols | and/or a different proftpd |
| 11:35.34 | Nyle | huh? |
| 11:35.42 | enouf | Nyle: if i do that - i'll never come out of the hospital |
| 11:35.47 | wols | at 102251c4 and eip b7cc40ce looks a bit strange |
| 11:35.51 | Nyle | heh, no private clinic |
| 11:36.01 | wols | wher is nit now? first one looks like user programspace, 2nd looks like kernel |
| 11:36.13 | Shadur | wols: Already switched to vsftpd. I'd promised myself a long time ago that the next time proftpd saw fit to make my life needlessly difficult it was going to go. |
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| 11:36.33 | Nyle | good decision |
| 11:36.38 | Nyle | vsftpd ftw |
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| 11:37.13 | wols | ftpd always sucks. only little less than mail. but vsftpd is the least sucky one |
| 11:37.46 | Shadur | wols: Webhosting. It's ftp or joomla. |
| 11:37.46 | Nyle | ftp should be done away with in favor or some other stuff |
| 11:38.00 | Nyle | what other stuff, I have no idea. |
| 11:38.09 | Nyle | just anything else really |
| 11:38.21 | wols | can't you make your users use sftp only? |
| 11:38.28 | Shadur | Nyle: The problem isn't so much good other stuff - heck, sftp would be perfect - it's getting the lusers to actually use it. |
| 11:38.29 | Nyle | yes, yes you can |
| 11:38.44 | Nyle | Shadur: don't allow ftp access |
| 11:38.48 | Nyle | only sftp access |
| 11:38.49 | Shadur | Yes, I could - and then we'd have a whole lot less users. |
| 11:39.04 | Nyle | so explain to them why you need to do this |
| 11:39.18 | Nyle | if it is a company you run, and you might lose potential or current customers |
| 11:39.23 | Nyle | then don't do it, obviously |
| 11:39.23 | wols | or make an incentive: ftp access costs more |
| 11:39.40 | Polleke | we're forcing sftp on our custommers... seems to work :) |
| 11:39.49 | Nyle | ftp isn't the devil, it just kinda sucks |
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| 11:39.58 | wols | Polleke: what ftp client do you tell them to use? |
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| 11:40.13 | Polleke | wols, filezilla or winscp |
| 11:40.18 | wols | ftp, smtp, telnet all that old protocol are bad |
| 11:40.24 | wols | and mac users? |
| 11:40.26 | Nyle | indeed |
| 11:40.46 | Polleke | wols, not come across one of those yet actually |
| 11:40.49 | Shadur | I don't run the company, just the two linux webservers. |
| 11:41.09 | Nyle | do you have any say over the companies security policies? |
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| 11:41.16 | Shadur | And I've been told from on high that it's this or support Joomla. |
| 11:41.17 | Nyle | if so, feel free, if not, don't do anything. |
| 11:41.21 | Nyle | you might get fired. |
| 11:41.32 | amphi | Nyle: pin |
| 11:41.36 | Nyle | pon my man |
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| 11:41.39 | Nyle | pon indeed |
| 11:41.43 | jaj | Polleke: sorry for bugging you but do you know what this means: http://rafb.net/p/ZTfWMz83.html ? |
| 11:41.44 | Shadur | Nyle: Some. Not enough. I've already been over this a few times with the Powers That Be. |
| 11:41.55 | amphi | Nyle: how goes it? are you in the salt mines as we speak? |
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| 11:42.02 | Nyle | no man in pain |
| 11:42.13 | Nyle | i got no food (breakfast stuff) |
| 11:42.25 | Nyle | i think im gonna get a bagel and coffee before work |
| 11:42.27 | Nyle | imm starving |
| 11:42.30 | tralala | wols, filezilla |
| 11:42.32 | amphi | Nyle: have a bloody mary ;) |
| 11:42.39 | Nyle | ugh, down with the alcohol |
| 11:42.42 | wols | tralala: on mavs too now? |
| 11:42.52 | tralala | on osx |
| 11:42.52 | wols | *macs |
| 11:42.54 | Nyle | oh sweet, done compiling my new kern |
| 11:43.24 | amphi | Nyle: pfft, a bloody mary makes a fortifying breakfast |
| 11:43.30 | Nyle | nah |
| 11:43.33 | amphi | damn stoners |
| 11:43.38 | Nyle | i hate alcohol more than i hate tomatos |
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| 11:43.53 | Nyle | i hate drugs in general but that neither here nor there |
| 11:43.56 | enouf | virgin mary? |
| 11:44.06 | amphi | heh |
| 11:44.11 | enouf | oh wait, that doesn't sound right |
| 11:44.11 | Nyle | I started building this kernel after 1 solid week of config |
| 11:44.12 | Nyle | :D |
| 11:44.30 | Polleke | jaj, hmm |
| 11:44.31 | amphi | enouf: sounds alright for an alcohol-free bloody mary *shudder* |
| 11:44.40 | Nyle | amphi: heh |
| 11:44.53 | enouf | yeah, alcohol free? eegagz |
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| 11:44.59 | enouf | eegadz even |
| 11:45.06 | enouf | my fingers are hurtin |
| 11:45.17 | Nyle | man, without alcohol bloody mary is just a damn V8 |
| 11:45.19 | Nyle | heh |
| 11:45.21 | mrstocks | hey, i needed to update libc6, but wants to remove util-linux ... thats sorta not very cool aint it ? |
| 11:45.30 | Nyle | !info util-linux |
| 11:45.42 | Nyle | hm |
| 11:45.43 | Nyle | why? |
| 11:45.49 | Nyle | what did I do? |
| 11:45.50 | enouf | V8 |
| 11:45.53 | Nyle | oh |
| 11:45.55 | Nyle | well it is |
| 11:45.57 | Nyle | :D |
| 11:46.04 | amphi | V8? |
| 11:46.06 | enouf | you must be too young |
| 11:46.12 | Nyle | v8 vegetable juice |
| 11:46.14 | Nyle | you know |
| 11:46.18 | Nyle | tomato juice blahblah |
| 11:46.22 | amphi | never 'eard of it |
| 11:46.26 | Nyle | oh |
| 11:46.31 | enouf | it's like spam |
| 11:46.37 | dpkg | util-linux: (Miscellaneous system utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 2.13.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 512 kB, Installed size: 1628 kB |
| 11:46.41 | wols | !tell mrstocks about bat |
| 11:46.42 | Nyle | dpkg that was slow |
| 11:46.49 | enouf | r-e-a-l slow |
| 11:46.51 | tralala | dpkg, you're slow |
| 11:46.52 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
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| 11:47.03 | amphi | ha |
| 11:47.08 | Nyle | hehe |
| 11:47.21 | Nyle | it seems that util-linux is a required package |
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| 11:47.38 | Nyle | !bat |
| 11:47.38 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 11:47.40 | Nyle | oh |
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| 11:47.47 | Nyle | yeh i was gonna ask em |
| 11:47.53 | Nyle | good we gotta factoidi |
| 11:48.18 | amphi | Nyle: you saw http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/post/118709.aspx ? |
| 11:48.32 | Nyle | click |
| 11:48.43 | amphi | Nyle: actually, http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/5552.aspx is what I meant |
| 11:50.00 | Nyle | c'mon man |
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| 11:50.05 | Nyle | why would you waste my time with this nonsense? |
| 11:50.26 | Nyle | find some other nonsense ;) |
| 11:50.32 | jaj | Polleke: I just removed statusoverride file |
| 11:50.54 | amphi | Nyle: oh, well, I was amused - I hadn't come across 'clbuttic' before |
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| 11:51.43 | enouf | amphi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_%28beverage%29 |
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| 11:52.29 | Nyle | amphi: Tomato juice comprises around 87% of the total drink. |
| 11:52.37 | amphi | beets? ugh - I detest sweet roots |
| 11:52.37 | Nyle | its pretty much a bloody mary when mixed with vodka |
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| 11:53.03 | Nyle | or w/e the hell you mix it in with |
| 11:53.14 | amphi | Nyle: not at all; a bm needs black pepper, chili, teriyaki, sherry... the list is long |
| 11:53.25 | Nyle | bah |
| 11:53.33 | Nyle | damn alcoholics |
| 11:53.40 | Nyle | ...grumble...mumble |
| 11:53.40 | jaj | Polleke: it seems to have worked |
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| 11:54.02 | Nyle | im supposed to wake up in 5 minutes ;) |
| 11:54.04 | Polleke | jaj, bootable system with working tools? |
| 11:54.06 | enouf | vile weed |
| 11:54.10 | Nyle | ahhaha |
| 11:54.13 | Nyle | NEWMAN! |
| 11:54.18 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 11:55.06 | jaj | Polleke: I replaced glibc and could run an apt-get update in chroot. I don't get 530 errors. I now try to reboot it |
| 11:55.06 | enouf | "quick, someone gimme a shot of honey mustard!" |
| 11:55.14 | Nyle | im having to learn MCSE shit all over again |
| 11:55.20 | Nyle | I thought I was done with it 8 years ago |
| 11:55.23 | mrstocks | i got alittle problem here, by box has got no util-linux, tzdata and libc, becasue libc is broke... --force-all wont work either.. any way around it ? |
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| 11:55.43 | enouf | Nyle: it's never too late to be a wintendo weenie |
| 11:55.48 | Polleke | mrstocks, is this break your glibc day? |
| 11:55.50 | Nyle | I got my MCSE in 2000, for nt4+win2kserver, now my boss is making me do the certs again, w/e buc he is paying for em |
| 11:55.58 | mrstocks | Polleke what ? |
| 11:56.14 | Nyle | but still, I guess i'll just suck it up and let MS run the world like it does anyway |
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| 11:56.19 | Polleke | mrstocks, you're the third in an hour |
| 11:56.33 | Nyle | you people use sid? |
| 11:56.33 | mrstocks | Polleke ho.. is there a log? ;) |
| 11:56.49 | Nyle | you people don't read buglists or changelogs/list before you install? |
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| 11:57.00 | amphi | Nyle: 'system eliminator' will look good on your card |
| 11:57.11 | Nyle | wtf is the matter with you guys? |
| 11:57.26 | enouf | not enough bongs? |
| 11:57.31 | Nyle | heh |
| 11:57.34 | mrstocks | whats the name of the unstable version of debian ? |
| 11:57.35 | amphi | dunno about the others, but my body thetans are really playing up today |
| 11:57.40 | Nyle | mrstocks: sid/unstable |
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| 11:57.47 | amphi | mrstocks: it is yclept 'sid' |
| 11:58.09 | jatt | what's an MCSE? |
| 11:58.11 | mrstocks | so i can s/etch/unstable/g in my source.list ? |
| 11:58.15 | Nyle | !mcse |
| 11:58.15 | dpkg | from memory, mcse is Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert. Must Consult Someone Else. Microsoft Certified System Engineer |
| 11:58.17 | wols | mrstocks: what did you do? whay did you upgrade your libc and to what version? |
| 11:58.22 | jatt | ohhhhhh |
| 11:58.24 | jatt | wow |
| 11:58.26 | Nyle | its stupid |
| 11:58.29 | Nyle | but it pays |
| 11:58.30 | Nyle | w/e |
| 11:58.55 | Nyle | I just have to relearn active directory (i already know ldap) |
| 11:58.56 | wols | !tell mrstocks about sid faq |
| 11:59.01 | Nyle | and exchange/server 2003 and im good |
| 11:59.02 | mrstocks | why use so many lines ? some drown symdrom making u press the big button ? |
| 11:59.09 | Nyle | Y |
| 11:59.09 | Nyle | e |
| 11:59.10 | Nyle | s |
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| 11:59.33 | wols | mrstocks: ignore Nyle like we all do and work on your problem. eg. answering questions about it? |
| 11:59.35 | Nyle | and sorry, I'll try not to. |
| 11:59.35 | mrstocks | wols i needed to install build-essential and from there.. packages where bloqued i did my best |
| 11:59.52 | wols | mrstocks: answer my questions |
| 12:00.04 | mrstocks | yeap Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-3 (using .../archives/libc6_2.7-8_i386.deb) |
| 12:00.17 | wols | mrstocks: why are you going to testing or unstable? |
| 12:00.24 | wols | ESPECIALLY for build-essential |
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| 12:00.53 | mrstocks | wols as i have no packages working now, no utilinux, or tzdata, its a matter of time anything everything crashes down |
| 12:01.03 | mrstocks | util-linux sorry |
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| 12:01.13 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 12:01.16 | AlexC_ | hey all, |
| 12:01.19 | Nyle | hi |
| 12:01.26 | Nyle | wols: have fun man. |
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| 12:01.43 | tralala | I know I will |
| 12:01.54 | wols | mrstocks: since you are unable to answer questions asked. have a nice day on your own |
| 12:01.56 | Nyle | you always do |
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| 12:02.02 | enouf | 1.35B fine for mpoop |
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| 12:02.16 | Nyle | what? |
| 12:02.22 | mrstocks | wols oh well i did anser your question... |
| 12:02.28 | enouf | Nyle: read the news |
| 12:02.29 | tralala | Nyle, it's hard not to - with the steady stream of sid cluebies around |
| 12:02.42 | Nyle | hm yeah |
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| 12:02.46 | wols | you didn't answer a single one line |
| 12:02.46 | Nyle | I'm not sure what that means |
| 12:02.48 | enouf | Nyle: EU commission |
| 12:02.55 | Nyle | sid cluebies? |
| 12:02.57 | Nyle | you mean newbies? |
| 12:03.03 | wols | enouf: as if it would change anything than make vista more expesnve |
| 12:03.03 | enouf | for failure to comply with antitrust ruling |
| 12:03.07 | wols | which is good in a way I guess |
| 12:03.07 | schemelab | I just did a wajig update; wajig upgrade on Debian/etch and now apache2 is not running.. I also rebooted after the upgrade |
| 12:03.09 | enouf | right |
| 12:03.20 | wols | !reboot |
| 12:03.20 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 12:03.21 | tralala | !cluebie |
| 12:03.21 | dpkg | cluebie is, like, a person who doesn't think he needs to be educated, one who knows not and knows not that he knows not |
| 12:03.22 | Nyle | schemelab: /msg dpkg not working |
| 12:03.25 | wols | !tell schemelab about errores |
| 12:03.29 | Nyle | !doesn't work |
| 12:03.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:03.31 | Nyle | er. |
| 12:03.39 | Nyle | !ask |
| 12:03.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:03.43 | Nyle | ^^ |
| 12:03.45 | jaj | Polleke: system up and running \o/ thank you *very* much for your help |
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| 12:05.08 | Nyle | !qotd2 |
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| 12:05.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:05.12 | tralala | dpkg, wb |
| 12:05.16 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
| 12:05.37 | Polleke | jaj, np |
| 12:05.38 | tralala | ahh... I'm swift |
| 12:05.50 | tralala | !qotd2 |
| 12:05.50 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 12:06.13 | Nyle | ? |
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| 12:09.51 | schemelab | where is httpd.conf for apache2 on debian/etch ... /usr/share/doc/apache2 points you to the apache site but the place they list for httpd.conf is not where it is on etch |
| 12:10.04 | Nyle | i don't think its called httpd.conf anymore |
| 12:10.10 | Nyle | I haven't used apache2 so I don't now |
| 12:10.25 | Nyle | know*. I have still sarge server with 1.3 apache |
| 12:10.26 | wols | schemelab: ALL config is under /etc. in your case /etc/apache2 |
| 12:10.40 | wols | and yes there is no http.conf, tho the file does exis |
| 12:10.40 | schemelab | thanks |
| 12:10.42 | wols | don't use it |
| 12:10.43 | tralala | schemelab, install apache2-doc and browse localhost/manual |
| 12:11.25 | tralala | schemelab, also read /usr/share/doc/apache2/* |
| 12:11.34 | Nyle | or.. dpkg -L apache2|grep conf |
| 12:11.35 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:11.46 | tralala | or not |
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| 12:11.47 | wols | Nyle: considering it's a debconf made file: no |
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| 12:11.50 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:11.51 | schemelab | tralala: there is nothing there... they point you to httpd.apache.org |
| 12:11.51 | Nyle | nm |
| 12:12.27 | tralala | schemelab, there's plenty there I just read it yesterday |
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| 12:12.54 | susanne-- | in lenny, is there a way to drop back to a relatively ancient kernel, such as, say, 2.6.5? |
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| 12:13.35 | wols | !downgrade |
| 12:13.35 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 12:13.54 | wols | you can try and install aknerle of that vintage. it might work it migh not. we don't know and don't care. not supported |
| 12:14.03 | tralala | susanne--, unlikely - a lot has changed since 2.6.5 |
| 12:14.05 | eth01 | vicious. |
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| 12:14.47 | schemelab | tralala: after wajig install apache2-doc I have this - http://rafb.net/p/J2lSjv84.html |
| 12:15.04 | tralala | susanne--, even if you compile the kernel yourself the chances are the userland won't like it |
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| 12:15.12 | tralala | !wajig |
| 12:15.12 | dpkg | Wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or apt-cache, etc, wajig does the selection of the appropriate tool for you. Wajig also never needs to be run as root - it will call sudo as necessary. To get wajig, apt-get install wajig. |
| 12:15.29 | wols | schemelab: that is the doc from the apache2 package. NOT from apache2-docs |
| 12:15.39 | Pretto | hi folks.. is there a way to have a fixed nameserver in resolv.conf even if a dhcp is used? |
| 12:15.49 | susanne-- | tralala: i've traced my usb disconnect problem to what appears to be a kernel bug introduced approximately 2.6.15 or so. it's brought my server to a screeching halt -- it's so bad i'm having to resort to using a windows box to retrieve data from my ext3 partitions. |
| 12:15.53 | wols | Pretto: yes |
| 12:16.07 | Polleke | susanne--, I give udev a high breaking chance when downgrading to 2.6.5 |
| 12:16.09 | petemc | Pretto: you can make the file immutable, or tell you dhcp client not to change it |
| 12:16.16 | wols | Pretto: edit your dhclient.conf, set resolv.conf immutable, etc |
| 12:16.25 | tralala | schemelab, scroll back and read my instructions again |
| 12:16.27 | Pretto | wols, thank you |
| 12:16.46 | mrstocks | wols just to notify you, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg37663.html looks like a well known bug... |
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| 12:17.39 | tralala | susanne--, have you found a bug report for the problem? Have you filed one? |
| 12:17.39 | wols | muh2000: you run SID software. you deserve all the breakage you get |
| 12:17.43 | wols | !btssmite mrs |
| 12:18.09 | muh2000 | hmm ^^ |
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| 12:19.02 | susanne-- | tralala: i saw descriptions of it on lkml dating to december. it happens only with some chipsets, tho -- i've determined this because only some of my drives are affected, despite all being on the same hub (and moved around to various ports, moved to the main unit and off the hub, replaced cables, etc). but i'm not in a position to be able to disassemble my drives and report what chipset is in them. |
| 12:20.22 | susanne-- | but the problem is still present in 2.6.24.2, which makes me think dropping back might be a solution. the other work-around, dropping to usb1.1 only, is unacceptable. |
| 12:20.37 | enouf | firewire? |
| 12:20.51 | enouf | eSata? |
| 12:21.04 | susanne-- | enouf: usb2 |
| 12:21.25 | enouf | i realize, i'm making other interface suggestions ;-) |
| 12:21.27 | tralala | susanne--, your best option is to work with the kernel devs to fix the problem. Aren't there any other options to find out what the chipset is? |
| 12:22.11 | jelly | I wouldn't use usb connections for anything serious. No SMART. |
| 12:22.42 | tralala | susanne--, with the second best being to get rid of the faulty hardware in favour of working one |
| 12:23.06 | susanne-- | enouf: would require replacing hardware. not an option. =) (and the mac mini won't support esata anyway). tralala: again, not an option unless you're buying. |
| 12:23.18 | enouf | heh |
| 12:24.17 | tralala | susanne--, I'm not buying anything, merely sharing my thoughts. |
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| 12:25.19 | susanne-- | in a perfect world, such options would be workable. sadly we have not repeated the mistake of the golgafrinchans and made the leaf a token of exchange. |
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| 12:41.32 | schemelab | On a remote machine, nslookup chat.ohfloat.com says "yes there is such a domain' ... but on my local linode. I get ** server can't find chat.ohfloat.com: NXDOMAIN ... is my Debian/etch linode caching DNS? should I reboot again? |
| 12:41.47 | FinnTux | is there a way to find out network usage of certain process (PID is known)? |
| 12:42.13 | FinnTux | I need to know whether certain process transmit data or not |
| 12:42.37 | wols | ntop for example |
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| 12:42.50 | susanne-- | schemelab: nslookup is deprecated. please use dig. (for one thing, it gives better errors.) are you running a caching dns on your machine? or are you using someone else's dns? |
| 12:42.58 | petemc | schemelab: theres no caching unless you installed a caching nameserver, rebooting isnt going to help - the problem is whatever dns server you're using |
| 12:43.18 | petemc | fwiw, that domiain works fine here DNS lookup of chat.ohfloat.com (A) succeeded |
| 12:43.52 | susanne-- | dig returns 69.56.173.168 |
| 12:43.57 | schemelab | yeah, it works at a remote unix machine, hcoop.net too... but on my actual webserver at linode.com it is not found! |
| 12:44.21 | petemc | try reading what you're being told |
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| 12:44.31 | susanne-- | schemelab: that is a propogation problem. the remote machine must be using a different caching dns server. |
| 12:44.43 | schemelab | ok I will ask if I am running a caching nameserver or not |
| 12:45.02 | petemc | schemelab: look in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:45.51 | schemelab | petemc: here is resolv.conf - http://rafb.net/p/miOHUw10.html |
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| 12:47.04 | petemc | dig +trace chat.ohfloat.com |
| 12:47.27 | Agiofws | hey guys i installed tftpd on my system but i can only find the man page ? |
| 12:47.35 | Agiofws | where is the executable ? |
| 12:47.43 | Agiofws | debian lenny ... |
| 12:47.44 | schemelab | petemc: here is the result - http://rafb.net/p/4KNIkM84.html |
| 12:47.53 | wols | Agiofws: dpkg -L is awesome |
| 12:47.54 | petemc | Agiofws: dpkg -L tftpd |
| 12:48.11 | petemc | schemelab: you're allowed to read it yourself |
| 12:48.16 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# whereis tftpd |
| 12:48.16 | Agiofws | tftpd: /usr/share/man/man8/tftpd.8.gz |
| 12:48.16 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# apt-cache search tftpd |
| 12:48.16 | Agiofws | atftpd - advanced TFTP server |
| 12:48.16 | Agiofws | tftpd - Trivial file transfer protocol server |
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| 12:48.30 | Agiofws | srry for that |
| 12:48.49 | petemc | schemelab: that works fine |
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| 12:49.02 | Agiofws | /usr/sbin/in.tftpd |
| 12:49.16 | Agiofws | why is it called in.tftpd ? |
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| 12:49.23 | Agiofws | are they crazy or something ? |
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| 12:49.38 | wols | cause it runs from inetd and historical reasons |
| 12:49.47 | wols | no they are not crazy |
| 12:49.48 | schemelab | yes, dig +trace for chat.ohfloat.com and www.ohfloat.com are the same ...but nslookup says it cant find it... and webmin says the domain does not exist |
| 12:50.05 | wols | !ewbmin |
| 12:50.08 | wols | !webmin |
| 12:50.09 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 12:51.42 | schemelab | I'm getting ANSWER: 0 for chat.ohfloat.com but ANSWER: 1 for www.ohfloat.com |
| 12:51.52 | schemelab | http://rafb.net/p/z6ZUUV85.html |
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| 12:52.13 | Agiofws | wols, so i start it from inetd ? |
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| 12:57.35 | Agiofws | ? |
| 12:57.55 | wols | did you run the debconf for tftpd? |
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| 12:58.18 | Agiofws | no not yet loo0king ... though |
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| 12:59.09 | wols | did you install tftpd? |
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| 13:00.25 | AEX | hi all |
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| 13:00.48 | AEX | jemand da? |
| 13:01.00 | wols | !tell AEX about de |
| 13:01.23 | sChaaa | hola |
| 13:01.23 | AEX | no identified to channel debian.de |
| 13:01.59 | AEX | ok i have a problem with my sound on debian etch |
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| 13:02.54 | AEX | can anyone help? |
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| 13:04.03 | susanne-- | !tell aex about ask |
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| 13:04.14 | FinnTux | wols: how to pass PID to ntop? I didn't see any parameters for that |
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| 13:05.22 | Bleupomme | Hi I want a kernel module to not be loaded at startup. I already blacklisted it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it still gets loaded. |
| 13:05.42 | wols | FinnTux: you don't |
| 13:05.51 | wols | !tell Bleupomme about blacklist |
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| 13:06.25 | debian | Hello |
| 13:06.28 | AEX | my sound with dsp was ok. but i installed the alsa driver und utils and just now i have no sound jet |
| 13:06.48 | debian | My screen resolution is 640xsomthing small. How to fix? |
| 13:06.50 | wols | !tell AEX about alsa checklist |
| 13:06.56 | wols | !tell debian about drxx |
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| 13:07.12 | AEX | !alsa |
| 13:07.12 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 13:07.26 | debian | wols: Why would this happen? |
| 13:07.34 | AEX | :D |
| 13:07.39 | wols | debian: I lost my crystall ball |
| 13:08.10 | schemelab | nice! changing nameservers got chat.ohfloat.com found! |
| 13:08.31 | AEX | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:08.31 | dpkg | i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:08.41 | wols | !tell AEX about selftell |
| 13:08.56 | wols | AEX: you got sevreal PMs by dpkg. read them! |
| 13:08.58 | FinnTux | wols: ok. so my question remains I guess. how to tell if certain process transmits data to network? |
| 13:09.13 | wols | FinnTux: netstat -anp if you don't understand ntop |
| 13:09.23 | AEX | i run alsaconf and he didnt found a sounddriver for my card |
| 13:09.30 | debian | wols: I hacve usually had better exspirience deleting xorg.conf |
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| 13:10.11 | AEX | in the documentation i found that was for the notebooks with intel chipset |
| 13:10.23 | wols | enouf: doesn't work. can't see what Nyle is currently up to |
| 13:10.33 | enouf | heh |
| 13:10.36 | debian | Brb, will restart x now! |
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| 13:10.53 | FinnTux | wols: established or not established is not enough. I need to know whether there is actually data moving |
| 13:11.04 | FinnTux | wols: and knowing transfer rate is a bonus |
| 13:12.19 | wols | FinnTux: iftop |
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| 13:12.23 | Anubis_be | hey all |
| 13:12.46 | Anubis_be | does anyone knows if fwbuilder fully supports ipv6 ? |
| 13:12.47 | enouf | AEX: tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base yet? got aoss pkg (or alsa-oss?) installed? how about snd_mixer_oss modprobed? |
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| 13:13.29 | enouf | nothing full supports ipv6, not even ipv6 :-P |
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| 13:14.09 | Agiofws | wols, i did apt-get install tftpd |
| 13:14.26 | Anubis_be | enouf :p indeed |
| 13:14.29 | Agiofws | and the executable i can find is in.tftpd |
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| 13:14.37 | AEX | !dsp |
| 13:14.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, dsp is (Digital Signal Processor) A DSP is a microprocessor designed to work with analog signals such as video or audio that have been digitally encoded. The DSP then takes these digital representations and performs operations on them. DSPs are used in video, sound, and modem technology. Intel's MMX instruction set is basically an attempt to make the Pentium processor line capable of DSP operations. This follows Intel's theory of putting ... |
| 13:14.38 | enouf | Agiofws: read the docs that dpkg -L <pkgname> shows you |
| 13:14.47 | Agiofws | it did |
| 13:14.49 | Anubis_be | but is it allready possible to create policies on it? |
| 13:15.05 | wols | AEX: for the fucking last time: use /msg dpkg <stuff> and register your nick: /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:15.06 | enouf | Anubis_be: no idea, personally |
| 13:15.10 | Agiofws | /usr/sbin/in.tftpd |
| 13:15.13 | wols | AEX: and READ your damn messages |
| 13:15.17 | Agiofws | i just need to run it |
| 13:15.19 | FinnTux | wols: I forgot to mention I need a command line utility. Need to integrate it into a script |
| 13:15.26 | AEX | when alsaconf not found my soundcard what i can do? |
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| 13:15.39 | wols | AEX: find out what soundcard you have |
| 13:15.39 | enouf | Agiofws: man debconf, install and use configure-debian |
| 13:15.45 | FinnTux | iftop can't do that, can it? |
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| 13:15.51 | wols | FinnTux: no |
| 13:15.54 | enouf | AEX: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 13:16.06 | wols | enouf: he's not identified |
| 13:16.14 | enouf | oh, blah |
| 13:16.16 | susanne-- | you can still send msgs to dpkg when you're not identified. |
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| 13:16.30 | AEX | moment |
| 13:16.32 | wols | ah, dpkg waived that then |
| 13:16.53 | enouf | FinnTux: check out libstatgrab perhaps |
| 13:16.54 | susanne-- | since dpkg isn't going to be annoyed by spam very much |
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| 13:16.59 | susanne-- | seems like a good thing to me :-) |
| 13:17.06 | waspius | hi.can someone tell me how i can fix this?http://paste.debian.net/50018 |
| 13:17.28 | wols | !btssmite waspius |
| 13:17.46 | waspius | im not |
| 13:17.55 | wols | you run eiher testing or sid |
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| 13:18.04 | waspius | etch |
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| 13:18.09 | enouf | or some sorry mix |
| 13:18.18 | wols | you do not run etch with such a libc6 |
| 13:18.18 | waspius | :s |
| 13:18.19 | Agiofws | won;t debconf for tftpd? enable it to run every time i boot my machine ? |
| 13:18.37 | wols | meaning you mixed distros and now your weiner gets cut of as a warning to others |
| 13:18.42 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 13:18.42 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 13:18.43 | AEX | !debconf |
| 13:18.43 | dpkg | Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html |
| 13:19.07 | waspius | ok..so what do i do? |
| 13:19.08 | wols | waspius: in short: you broke your debian. badly. happy now |
| 13:19.31 | waspius | well the only thing i tried to do was install ntfs-3g |
| 13:19.44 | Anubis_be | aye it is screwed up |
| 13:19.52 | waspius | so reformat? |
| 13:20.01 | Anubis_be | try apt-get remove glibc |
| 13:20.05 | wols | waspius: and you installed it from testing or sid |
| 13:20.07 | Anubis_be | what does it says? |
| 13:20.10 | wols | Anubis_be: lol |
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| 13:20.37 | waspius | Anubis_be: it cannot find the file |
| 13:20.41 | wols | for starters that package doesn't exist and 2nd libc removal is something you do only once. if you are that stupid |
| 13:20.53 | tback | hi, what's the status of mt-daapd in testing? i used it for years and then it recently stopped working |
| 13:21.05 | wols | !why is mt-daapd not in testing |
| 13:21.06 | dpkg | mt-daapd is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mt-daapd |
| 13:21.43 | waspius | so do i need to re install debian and set it all up from the beggining?> |
| 13:21.59 | Anubis_be | waspius do cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:22.06 | Anubis_be | tell us what the output is |
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| 13:22.17 | waspius | 4.0 |
| 13:22.31 | Anubis_be | did you added apt-sources? |
| 13:22.43 | waspius | yes. but i removed them again |
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| 13:23.01 | FinnTux | enouf: looks like statgrab show the total amount of data transferred. not individual processes. |
| 13:23.27 | waspius | i only added the one that the ntfs-3g website suggests |
| 13:23.33 | susanne-- | i imagine if there were widespread problems with the stock kernel in etch having trouble with some usb chipsets, we'd be aware of it by now, yes? (i'm still working on my disconnect problem and am thinking a downgrade is in order.) |
| 13:23.41 | FinnTux | process ID is the keyword here |
| 13:23.46 | enouf | oh FinnTux , didn't realize what you wanted |
| 13:24.07 | tback | wols i don't get it. so it's the same in unstable and testing - but it should be working right? |
| 13:24.29 | wols | !tell tback about doesn't work |
| 13:24.45 | AEX | one question. when i install nagios with make, make install, how i can deinstall that? |
| 13:24.48 | waspius | if i upgrade to sid will it fix the problem? |
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| 13:25.25 | Anubis_be | I think not waspius |
| 13:25.31 | susanne-- | waspius: upgrades to sid very rarely fix problems. |
| 13:25.48 | Polleke | AEX, depends |
| 13:25.50 | Bleupomme | AEX: Instead of running make install use checkinstall it will create a .deb package that can be deinstalled |
| 13:26.02 | waspius | nice...well thanx i will re install it and end of problem |
| 13:26.18 | Anubis_be | try apt-get -f install |
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| 13:26.32 | smallfoot- | is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 13:26.41 | Agiofws | yes |
| 13:26.45 | Anubis_be | no and yes |
| 13:26.46 | radius | yes x5 |
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| 13:26.57 | susanne-- | i've got some usb drives that are working piss-poor in lenny, and i suspect a kernel bug. if i downgrade the box to etch, are there any gotchas to be aware of when remounting these drives (fat32 and ext3) on etch if they were formatted on lenny? |
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| 13:27.24 | wols | FinnTux: one way you could do it is to run ntop and connect to port 3000 on localhsot and parse the html output.... |
| 13:27.27 | Anubis_be | ubuntu is debian based with easier hardware support etc, debian is just more, old--school |
| 13:27.37 | wols | susanne--: no |
| 13:27.49 | wols | !tell smallfoot- about why debian |
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| 13:28.06 | AEX | my problem is: in etc/nagios are files and in /usr/local/nagios are files too. what i can delete? :D |
| 13:28.13 | wols | AEX: ask the nagios folks. we dn't know |
| 13:28.26 | AEX | where i can find this folK? :D |
| 13:28.30 | wols | AEX: that nagios is not from dbeian so we wouldn't know. ask nagios |
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| 13:28.35 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 13:28.36 | AEX | ok |
| 13:28.38 | susanne-- | #nagios? or check their docs. |
| 13:28.39 | smallfoot- | thanks |
| 13:28.46 | wols | we don't know that either. but you found their software so I'm sure you can find them too |
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| 13:29.18 | Agiofws | hey guys how do i run tftpd this is insane |
| 13:29.36 | wols | via inetd usually |
| 13:29.41 | wols | debconf ASKS you |
| 13:29.43 | Anubis_be | !tell Anubis_be- about why debian |
| 13:29.48 | Anubis_be | :) |
| 13:29.49 | tback | wols, oh sorry for being so inspecific... so i'm on testing for quite some time now, never had problems with mt-daapd, then recently it stopped working: unfortunately i don't know wether the status change was caused by an update. what i know is: i can install it and the admin frontend comes up, the logfile doesn't tell me of any errors, but itunes does not show the daap share |
| 13:29.51 | Rapp | trying to build some external kernel module (nvidia) -- compilation fails: mach_mpspec.h not found. the linux headers are installed, and also that file exists, in several subdirectories. the module builds fine on a different machine... |
| 13:29.53 | wols | !tell Anubis_be about selftell |
| 13:30.12 | debian | What program in debian can unzip .rar .rar00 .rar01? |
| 13:30.12 | wols | tback: is it listening on any port? |
| 13:30.20 | wols | !tell debian about unrar |
| 13:30.23 | smallfoot- | !tell smallfoot- about selftell |
| 13:30.27 | AEX | !alsa |
| 13:30.27 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 13:30.30 | susanne-- | debian: apt-get install unrar |
| 13:30.36 | wols | !tell aex about selftell |
| 13:30.44 | Anubis_be | ah wols tell me to please why debian, always wondered what is in there |
| 13:30.47 | AEX | ok |
| 13:30.50 | AEX | !selftell |
| 13:30.50 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 13:31.03 | Polleke | Rapp, are the sources installed for your _current_ kernel? |
| 13:31.07 | susanne-- | ... !kick aex cuz he isn't listening. |
| 13:31.21 | AEX | what? |
| 13:31.29 | wols | Rapp: ask nvidia. not us. their software |
| 13:31.30 | tback | wols: yes, it listens on 3689 as it is supposed to, it binds to 0.0.0.0 |
| 13:31.35 | wols | !tell Rapp about search |
| 13:31.35 | Rapp | Polleke, no, only the headers. that should be enough, afaik. however: the installed kernel-image and kernel-headers are custom built from debian source. |
| 13:31.37 | Rapp | wols, haha |
| 13:31.45 | AEX | i#m listening, also, also checklist, dsp and so on |
| 13:31.50 | debian | susanne--: Dont have non free... |
| 13:31.54 | radius | smallfoot-, to show you good debian as compared to other distros - when I was at CAA back in the late 90's we were using debian and today I still rely on it for mail/web servers and my own personal desktop (: |
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| 13:32.04 | Rapp | wols, the problem lies with my custom debian kernel. i thought someone has an idea what went wrong, why the mpspec cannot be found... |
| 13:32.06 | susanne-- | debian: try installing it. |
| 13:32.06 | wols | Rapp: fyi those nvidia drivers will break your debian. usage on your own risk. no help with them here either |
| 13:32.11 | smallfoot- | radius, oh |
| 13:32.21 | Rapp | wols, you are no great help... |
| 13:32.22 | wols | !tell Rapp about search |
| 13:32.36 | smallfoot- | is ubuntu for noobs, and debian for cool? |
| 13:32.47 | Rapp | wols, i DID search, please stop telling me that. i am not a noob |
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| 13:32.56 | wols | Rapp: you did not |
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| 13:33.04 | susanne--- | god i hate that. |
| 13:33.09 | radius | smallfoot-, ubuntu is generally for those new to distros ie. ads are more common to those looking to switch form other OS's |
| 13:33.12 | wols | cause I just did and found lemme see, 18 results for that file |
| 13:33.34 | Polleke | Rapp, if it's a custom kernel chances are that it is looking in a totally different place then your kernel headers are installed by dpkg |
| 13:33.39 | radius | form/from* |
| 13:33.41 | Rapp | wols, yes i know WHERE that file is. but i cannot figure out why it is not finding it. |
| 13:33.49 | Rapp | Polleke, hm. ok... |
| 13:33.54 | wols | Rapp: you made a custom kernel? how should we know |
| 13:34.05 | wols | and as I sasid: nvidia drivers: Not supported here |
| 13:34.15 | wols | fyi: |
| 13:34.16 | wols | !noob |
| 13:34.17 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 13:34.34 | sep | smallfoot-, ubuntu is what's drawing people to use linux. Debian is what's keeping people using linux once they are intimate with it. neither are better or worse then the other. just different :) |
| 13:34.38 | Rapp | wow... |
| 13:34.57 | wols | Rapp: what videocard do you have? |
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| 13:35.27 | shreevathsa | hello people |
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| 13:35.28 | susane---- | grr. |
| 13:35.41 | Polleke | Rapp, I suspect a fix would be a symlink or fixing the makefiles of the module... you're on your own to debug that tho |
| 13:35.44 | shreevathsa | hi susane |
| 13:35.51 | wols | susane----: have you tried your old kernel? |
| 13:36.10 | Agiofws | ok i installed tftpd via apt-get how do i start IT ? |
| 13:36.16 | Agiofws | its not in init.d |
| 13:36.29 | wols | susane----: is the problem a debian specifc kernel problem or a general kernel one |
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| 13:36.35 | wols | Agiofws: inetd. for the fucking last time |
| 13:36.36 | sep | Agiofws, it's started thru inet server probably. |
| 13:36.43 | Agiofws | i have an executable that starts with in.tftpd |
| 13:36.53 | Agiofws | wols, i do start inetd |
| 13:36.55 | susane---- | wols: the stock lenny kernel is approx 2.6.22 and yes, it displays the problem i'm trying to solve. i was unable to compile 2.6.5. it appears to be a general kernel issue. i've seen reports of it on Debian, Suse, RH, and Ubuntu |
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| 13:37.01 | Polleke | Agiofws, man inetd |
| 13:37.03 | debian | How to make srt text for movies? |
| 13:37.03 | Agiofws | but i don't see tftpd started |
| 13:37.03 | wols | Agiofws: then check its damn config duh! |
| 13:37.07 | debian | in debian? |
| 13:37.07 | Agiofws | in netstat |
| 13:37.09 | shreevathsa | people...is it possible to install /barkly spice and Magic in Knoppix |
| 13:37.11 | Agiofws | i have |
| 13:37.11 | shreevathsa | ? |
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| 13:37.19 | shreevathsa | and make it bootable |
| 13:37.19 | sep | Agiofws, it's started on demand when needed for each connection |
| 13:37.21 | shreevathsa | again |
| 13:37.27 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc# paste < inetd.conf |
| 13:37.27 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/Fb5H4724.html |
| 13:37.29 | sep | Agiofws, it will never run without a tftp transfer in progress |
| 13:37.30 | wols | susane----: try a sarge 2.6.8 kernel or compile your own. what's hard abut it? |
| 13:37.37 | Agiofws | hmm.. ok |
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| 13:37.44 | AEX | !realtek |
| 13:37.44 | dpkg | well, realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or <rtl-wifi> |
| 13:37.47 | Polleke | shreevathsa, #knoppix? |
| 13:37.55 | wols | Agiofws: miracles never ceasze to amaze me: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp |
| 13:37.56 | shreevathsa | yes Polleke.. |
| 13:38.07 | sep | Agiofws, (that is what inetd does if you'd bother checking when wols told you the first time btw) |
| 13:38.13 | wols | Agiofws: what hardware do you have? and stop abusing the bot already |
| 13:38.18 | susane---- | wols: will installing a sarge-compiled kernel on lenny run? i was given to understand that it was unwise to try, ergo why i'm about to start an etch install. |
| 13:38.18 | shreevathsa | i want to make a bootable disk with these softwatre in it |
| 13:38.25 | Polleke | shreevathsa, this is #debian |
| 13:38.38 | shreevathsa | ya..since it's the same |
| 13:38.44 | susane---- | start a stable install. whichever. :-) |
| 13:38.44 | shreevathsa | ok ny ways |
| 13:38.46 | Agiofws | RedBoot> load -r -b %{FREEMEMLO} openwrt-atheros-2.6-vmlinux.lzma |
| 13:38.46 | Agiofws | Using default protocol (TFTP) |
| 13:38.46 | Agiofws | Can't load 'openwrt-atheros-2.6-vmlinux.lzma': Unknown error |
| 13:38.46 | Agiofws | RedBoot> |
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| 13:38.56 | wols | Sipingal: the worst that can happen is that your debian won't boot. so then you start the normal lenny kernel again and are as far as befor. all that is lost is 5 minutes |
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| 13:39.55 | wols | susane----: ^^ |
| 13:40.21 | smallfoot- | sep, so ubuntu is the honey and roses, while debian is the glue and trap |
| 13:40.23 | smallfoot- | :D |
| 13:40.53 | sep | smallfoot-, yeah basically :) |
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| 13:41.51 | smallfoot- | :) |
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| 13:42.26 | lrp | how can i enable php4 &5 in apache2 ? what is the package name libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 13:42.27 | wols | smallfoot-: are you new to linux in general? |
| 13:42.41 | wols | lrp: you can if you run one as cgi the other as module |
| 13:42.48 | wols | non standard and needs manual editing |
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| 13:43.04 | shreevathsa | i am new to debian..fud well worsed with RHEL# |
| 13:43.09 | shreevathsa | # |
| 13:43.11 | shreevathsa | 3 |
| 13:43.14 | RockaBaby | hello everybody. I have a Compushack Cardbus Adapter 10/100Base-T Silverline Fast Ethernet PCMCIA Card and cannot find it with $ lspci neither have i found googling any info on a driver for it |
| 13:43.29 | wols | RockaBaby: lspcmcia |
| 13:43.35 | wols | is your pcmcia bus recognized? |
| 13:43.43 | lrp | how can i enable php4 &5 in apache2 ? what is the package name libapache2-mod-php5 ? i have all ready installed that module and is not working :( |
| 13:43.45 | wols | !pcmcia |
| 13:43.46 | dpkg | PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
| 13:43.53 | smallfoot- | wols, hmm kinda.. i flirt with linux for many years and testing slackware, but recently i got ubuntu and got into the game again |
| 13:43.57 | wols | !tell lrp about doesn't work |
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| 13:44.14 | RockaBaby | wols, that command doesnt work |
| 13:44.21 | wols | !tell RockaBaby about doesn't work |
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| 13:44.43 | liable | pcmcia should show in lspci |
| 13:44.54 | liable | RockaBaby: what does dmesg say when its plugged in? |
| 13:44.57 | RockaBaby | wols, :D command not found |
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| 13:45.04 | wols | only if your pcmcia bus module is recognized and working |
| 13:45.05 | Agiofws | /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp ? |
| 13:45.08 | wols | !tell RockaBaby about installit |
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| 13:45.16 | AEX | ok this is my soundcard: Realtek ALC660 @ Intel 82801GBM ICH7-M - High Definition Audio Controller [B-0] |
| 13:45.24 | Agiofws | what does /srv/tftp do ? |
| 13:45.38 | wols | AEX: that means you need to use snd-hda-intel |
| 13:45.54 | AEX | my dsp driver i can not found and alsaconf find no available card |
| 13:45.57 | wols | Agiofws: read more manpages as less stupid questions |
| 13:46.09 | enouf | what dsp driver? |
| 13:46.12 | wols | *ask |
| 13:46.16 | wols | enouf: OSS probably |
| 13:46.24 | wols | AEX: there is no OSS driver in debian for hda |
| 13:46.36 | enouf | wols: yeah, so then it's hogging the card |
| 13:46.49 | FinnTux | wols: how do I get PIDs in that html? default output shows only ports, protocols etc |
| 13:46.50 | wols | how can something that doesn't exist hog? |
| 13:46.51 | AEX | ok what i must do? |
| 13:47.04 | wols | FinnTux: at the end it shows names/pids |
| 13:47.06 | enouf | wols: see question A then ;-) |
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| 13:47.16 | enouf | what dsp driver? |
| 13:47.17 | wols | enouf: question A? |
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| 13:47.59 | shreevathsa | how can i enable root access in GUI, mode..? |
| 13:48.00 | AEX | at my first time i listen musik about dsp /dev/dsp |
| 13:48.10 | shreevathsa | after i install |
| 13:48.11 | wols | shreevathsa: what desktop environment? |
| 13:48.18 | shreevathsa | KDE wols |
| 13:48.22 | wols | AEX: anser enouf or shutup |
| 13:48.22 | enouf | AEX: that's 2.4 stuff |
| 13:48.23 | Eulex | AEX, what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:48.25 | wols | shreevathsa: kdesu |
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| 13:48.38 | Eulex | enouf, the alsa oss emulation does /dev/dsp |
| 13:48.40 | AEX | debian etch 2.6 kernel |
| 13:48.44 | enouf | Eulex: i know |
| 13:48.51 | shreevathsa | ok thats switchs the user top root. |
| 13:48.53 | wols | eulex: his problem is alsa "doesn't work" |
| 13:48.54 | enouf | he's been told a hundred times |
| 13:49.11 | enouf | and never answers any questions |
| 13:49.23 | wols | but blabbers lots of unrleated BS |
| 13:49.31 | AEX | yes, what i must do? |
| 13:49.36 | enouf | and uses dpkg too much in public |
| 13:49.42 | wols | AEX: tell us what drive you used/use right now |
| 13:49.49 | wols | enouf: that too |
| 13:50.02 | shreevathsa | and 1 more questin Wols |
| 13:50.05 | liable | i think the realtek intel drivers may be different.. |
| 13:50.06 | AEX | moment |
| 13:50.12 | wols | liable: how so? |
| 13:50.27 | enouf | AEX: what did kmuto tell you ? |
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| 13:50.35 | shreevathsa | is it possible for me to install all the make file writen for RHEL3 in debian..? |
| 13:50.39 | liable | wols: i vaguely recall seeing drivers for them |
| 13:50.39 | FinnTux | wols: you mean Last Minute View? |
| 13:50.43 | wols | enouf: he ignores PMs. vrey well |
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| 13:50.49 | enouf | heh, figures |
| 13:50.54 | wols | FinnTux: yes |
| 13:51.14 | RockaBaby | wols, # lspcmcia shows only no device, only the Bridges as shown in paste: http://rafb.net/p/EIljyN17.html |
| 13:51.17 | wols | doesn't answer to ctcp version. mirc does this right? |
| 13:51.19 | FinnTux | wols: shows only TCP/UDP port |
| 13:51.30 | cmanns | hmm How can I trace my problem with emails not being sent out |
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| 13:51.34 | FinnTux | wols: no process name/PID |
| 13:51.43 | AEX | debian boot at hd0.5 root=dev/sda6 |
| 13:51.43 | enouf | !tell RockaBaby about what's my hardware |
| 13:51.49 | FinnTux | I'm using debian stable |
| 13:51.51 | liable | wols: why are you versioning him anyway? you would scream if he did it to you.. |
| 13:51.56 | wols | FinnTux: that is enough |
| 13:52.04 | enouf | RockaBaby: you have pcmciautils installed? |
| 13:52.06 | wols | liable: I wouldn't. never did |
| 13:52.16 | liable | good |
| 13:52.18 | wols | if I want to disable ctcp or something it's my responsibility to filter it |
| 13:52.29 | wols | it's part of the standard protocol of irc |
| 13:52.36 | RockaBaby | enouf, yes |
| 13:52.50 | wols | if I don't like it, my problem to disable it to defend |
| 13:52.55 | wols | same with portscans |
| 13:53.23 | wols | RockaBaby: if it shows the bridge but no cards, could the card be dead? |
| 13:53.28 | enouf | RockaBaby: do you have a URL showing your device? perhaps with specs? |
| 13:53.38 | AEX | debian boot at hd0.5 root=dev/sda6 |
| 13:53.55 | wols | AEX: how the fuck is this relevant to alsa? |
| 13:54.01 | enouf | rofl |
| 13:54.04 | AEX | :P |
| 13:54.06 | liable | RockaBaby: again, what does dmesg say when its plugged in? |
| 13:54.19 | shreevathsa | people, how do i enable r/w access to ntfs file system.? |
| 13:54.20 | AEX | where i can find my driver and install this? |
| 13:54.35 | Eulex | !tell shreevathsa about ntfs-3g |
| 13:54.37 | enouf | RockaBaby: try also see if running udevmonitor while plugging/unplugging - pastebin output |
| 13:54.53 | wols | we want to know what driver you used,amd the driver you will need to use is snd-hda-intel in the end |
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| 13:54.58 | FinnTux | wols: not exactly. I have vlc processes multicasting video. sometimes happens that vlc is still running but no data is transmitted. I need to monitor processes and restart if one of them stops transmitting. |
| 13:55.03 | wols | but until you answer us our question we will not go any furture |
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| 13:55.22 | wols | FinnTux: if you have a port you can derive what PID uses it no? |
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| 13:55.37 | wols | I mean not as if netstat has any problems doing that... |
| 13:55.39 | enouf | s/furture/furniture/future/further/g ;-) |
| 13:55.39 | FinnTux | wols: all procesess use same target port |
| 13:55.51 | wols | but they will use a different source port |
| 13:55.51 | FinnTux | wols: multicast IP changes |
| 13:56.04 | AEX | Realtek ALC660 @ Intel 82801GBM ICH7-M - High Definition Audio Controller [B-0] |
| 13:56.16 | FinnTux | wols: yes. ok, there might be a way |
| 13:56.20 | enouf | AEX: lspci -nn | grep Audio |
| 13:56.27 | AEX | this is my card. notebook lives with a intel core2 duo t7200 |
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| 13:56.38 | enouf | !tell AEX about laptop |
| 13:56.39 | wols | AEX: that is the chip you have. NOT the fscking driver you used |
| 13:56.47 | FinnTux | wols: but I bet there is a easier way... |
| 13:57.21 | wols | FinnTux: monitor proc on your own for example |
| 13:57.26 | RockaBaby | enouf, no actions with udevmonitor |
| 13:57.33 | wols | also iptables does some stuff |
| 13:57.34 | debian | Can I have surround in debian? |
| 13:57.36 | enouf | RockaBaby: eww, i think |
| 13:57.45 | wols | debian: yes. depends a bit on card and driver |
| 13:57.59 | FinnTux | wols: I tried, but found only total data transmitted. |
| 13:58.10 | FinnTux | not individual processes |
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| 13:58.21 | AEX | i must download my driver from realteak.com.tw? |
| 13:58.25 | wols | since ntop does it,there is a way |
| 13:58.26 | AEX | or from apt? |
| 13:58.31 | FinnTux | is there such a file. that would be the easiest way |
| 13:58.37 | enouf | AEX: lspci -nn | grep Audio says? |
| 13:58.39 | wols | answer our question |
| 13:58.44 | AEX | yes |
| 13:58.44 | AEX | i have |
| 13:58.47 | wols | enouf: we already know what it says |
| 13:58.51 | wols | AEX: no you have not |
| 13:58.59 | wols | enouf: he has a ICH7-M |
| 13:59.00 | AEX | says nix |
| 13:59.08 | debian | wols: I only get sound from one speakar |
| 13:59.16 | Eulex | AEX, the driver you need is included with debian. |
| 13:59.17 | AEX | blank says |
| 13:59.20 | enouf | wols: ok, you must know it by heart - i'm just double checkinh |
| 13:59.30 | wols | 14:56 < AEX> Realtek ALC660 @ Intel 82801GBM ICH7-M - High Definition Audio Controller [B-0] |
| 13:59.31 | AEX | i crashed my driver or so |
| 13:59.40 | enouf | i want the VendorID and ProductID |
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| 13:59.53 | wols | is very clear. and matches with his c2d hardware sorta. i945 chipset I guess |
| 13:59.59 | shreevathsa | can i get the perfect driver for ATI radeon 9200 pro for debian |
| 14:00.10 | wols | shreevathsa: "ati" |
| 14:00.20 | enouf | ok, useless question, go unanswered - so be it - i give up |
| 14:00.23 | wols | shreevathsa: only one that does 3D |
| 14:00.39 | shreevathsa | yes wols, |
| 14:00.51 | wols | shreevathsa: the driver is named "ati" |
| 14:00.52 | chomwitt | hi, i'm a teacher and i have problem installing etch cd1 in pc with pentium celeron 700MHZ 10GB HD. The installation stoped-freezed-very slow? in the apt configuration (i think installing security updates). I suspect a very slow internet to be the reason (10ps behing a sharable 64kbps isdn line). Any help? Can i turn off sec.updates from the net? |
| 14:00.52 | shreevathsa | it's quite an old card. |
| 14:00.56 | wols | !tell shreevathsa about drxx |
| 14:01.20 | wols | chomwitt: you can but shouldn't |
| 14:01.27 | enouf | chaataka: wait it out |
| 14:01.33 | AEX | when i write lspci i find: intel 82801G ICH7 high definiton audio controller rev02 |
| 14:01.33 | wols | chomwitt: just don do a security update and don't configure apt even on install |
| 14:01.42 | shreevathsa | i am current near my system rt now. if you can give me the procedure |
| 14:01.44 | wols | chomwitt: but I wouldn't go on the internet with such a machine then |
| 14:01.47 | shreevathsa | i'll try later |
| 14:01.47 | enouf | this guy is too much, lmao |
| 14:01.52 | wols | shreevathsa: I just did |
| 14:02.19 | wols | AEX: is it cause you don't understand english or are you simply a troll? |
| 14:02.25 | RockaBaby | liable, $ dmesg ---> http://rafb.net/p/AohxzV16.ht |
| 14:02.29 | enouf | chomwitt: 700MHz is plenty - net conn/speed is your issue i guess |
| 14:02.43 | wols | enouf: apt packages file is a few MB |
| 14:02.48 | wols | that's bad news on shared isdn |
| 14:02.55 | enouf | ewww |
| 14:03.00 | AEX | my english is not the best :P |
| 14:03.07 | AEX | beginner ?! |
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| 14:03.22 | susanne-- | dumbass. |
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| 14:03.27 | wols | AEX: #debian.de |
| 14:03.28 | enouf | haha |
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| 14:03.32 | tralala | chomwitt, if you hit alt+f4 you'll see what the installer is doing during the "freeze" |
| 14:03.33 | enouf | oh susanne-- |
| 14:03.37 | chomwitt | wols:the pcs are in the school lab. During installation i can turn off the mirror selection but i think that it goes automatically to download security updates. |
| 14:03.44 | liable | guys, stop being fucking assholes.. |
| 14:03.52 | Daviey | ooo |
| 14:04.00 | wols | chomwitt: it doesn't. debian can be installed without any network connection whatsoever |
| 14:04.09 | liable | if you google you might notice some realteck cards need module options |
| 14:04.10 | RockaBaby | liable, but what i read there has to do with my Orinoco Card and not the other one..... I have to plug in and unplug back and forth |
| 14:04.19 | enouf | it's just one of my fav words, no idea whom she's referring to |
| 14:04.25 | Eulex | chomwitt, the good news is that it will only need to download the package lists once, then it will only be a few kb the next times you update the package lists |
| 14:05.06 | tralala | Eulex, not on etch |
| 14:05.29 | Eulex | aah, that didn't go into etch? |
| 14:05.36 | chomwitt | tralala: i did it , some lines were incomprehensible but some definetely were security updates (one 11mb for open office , a big file to download for my lab) |
| 14:05.37 | Eulex | I was almost sure it did |
| 14:05.47 | liable | RockaBaby: that looks like the card is registered fine when its plugged in |
| 14:06.03 | shreevathsa | technically, is there any difference in using default genric driver and ATI driver |
| 14:06.07 | enouf | OO.o O_o |
| 14:06.15 | shreevathsa | is there any difference |
| 14:06.17 | shreevathsa | ? |
| 14:06.18 | wols | shreevathsa: what "default generic" driver exactly? |
| 14:06.19 | tralala | chomwitt, don't setup a network then and it won't try to install security updates |
| 14:06.19 | liable | RockaBaby: err, how old is that laptop? |
| 14:06.36 | chomwitt | but i just downloaded cd1 and burn it yesterday from debian.gr. shouldnt be sec.update free? |
| 14:06.36 | RockaBaby | PCG-FX101 Sony |
| 14:06.42 | shreevathsa | which you get during installation wols |
| 14:06.52 | liable | RockaBaby: that doesnt tell me how old it is.. |
| 14:06.54 | chomwitt | debian.gr ->debian.org |
| 14:06.55 | wols | chomwitt: depends a bit what release |
| 14:07.03 | tralala | chomwitt, but as wols said you better not put it on the internet |
| 14:07.05 | chomwitt | 4.0r3 |
| 14:07.36 | tralala | there are security fixes released after r3 |
| 14:07.58 | Eulex | shreevathsa, the configuration scripts for xorg will _usually_ detect your graphics card and make it use the ati driver already. if it did, there will be no difference as you're already using it, if it didn't -- well, there will be a huge difference |
| 14:07.59 | chomwitt | ok. I'll try it with the ethernet cable off. |
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| 14:08.03 | RockaBaby | liable, around the year 2000 |
| 14:08.08 | enouf | does r3 contain vmsplice fix? |
| 14:08.16 | azeem | yes |
| 14:08.24 | enouf | ok, thanks, thought so |
| 14:08.28 | debian | How do I easily make subtitles with debian? |
| 14:08.37 | shreevathsa | oh ok |
| 14:08.52 | tralala | chomwitt, just skip the network setting step, no need to play with the cables |
| 14:08.54 | liable | RockaBaby: cs: pcmcia_socket0: cardbus cards are not supported. <-- this is why I ask. looks ominous |
| 14:09.10 | liable | RockaBaby: google to see if that model supports cardbus |
| 14:09.17 | Anubis_be | nice, fwbuilder supports ipv6 yes, but you cannot enter ipv6 adresses to create rules on it :) |
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| 14:09.52 | eifzon | In what config @ debian do I change the name of the computername? |
| 14:10.13 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.13 | wols | !hostname |
| 14:10.14 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 14:10.16 | enouf | !hostname |
| 14:10.19 | enouf | oops |
| 14:10.23 | dererk | heh |
| 14:11.17 | chomwitt | I am rensponsible in a lab in a small city in central greece, and pcs are 7years old with win2k pro and suse7. And got this year i found it very messy. So i guess it worths the pain. I'll turn off network and burn 3more cds (the cd drive doesnt sees dvds :-( ) to avoid downloads of other programs. |
| 14:11.41 | Eulex | chomwitt, you might want to setup a local apt mirror |
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| 14:12.26 | Eulex | chomwitt, so security updates and anything else you want to install that aren't on the cd(s) will only be downloaded once |
| 14:12.29 | wols | enouf: our firend AEX installed realtek.com's drivers and since then no sound, etch sound worked before except teamspeak :) |
| 14:12.35 | wols | enouf: wonder why he didn't tell us |
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| 14:12.54 | enouf | wols: gee . hrm .. do ya think ? ;-) |
| 14:13.12 | runa_ | does sb know a program to emulate a piano using the keyboard |
| 14:13.23 | enouf | sb? |
| 14:13.25 | eifzon | how do I update from irssi 0.8.10 to 0.8.12 ? |
| 14:13.28 | enouf | soundblaster? |
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| 14:13.33 | tralala | runa_, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:13.48 | tralala | eifzon, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:13.55 | tralala | eifzon, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:14.08 | chomwitt | Eulex: is it easy to set up the local mirror? |
| 14:14.12 | wols | chomwitt: do you have somewhere a place with a faster network connection? if so use apt-zip |
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| 14:14.40 | helo | to temporarily disable dhcp3d from starting on boot, can i just chmod -x /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server? |
| 14:14.45 | chomwitt | wols: in my home , right now. |
| 14:14.53 | chomwitt | wols: adsl 1mbps |
| 14:14.56 | tralala | chomwitt, or better yet upgrade your connection to dsl. I bet it'll cost less than the isdn |
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| 14:15.20 | liable | helo: to temporarily disable it, try sysvconfig |
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| 14:15.37 | Eulex | chomwitt, there are several ways of setting it up, one way that is not a complete local mirror is to use apt-cacher. which I've done and which I can recommend. it will only keep everything that has been downloaded, not a complete mirror. |
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| 14:16.06 | Eulex | chomwitt, and yes, apt-zip is another option |
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| 14:16.24 | eifzon | tralala you didn't pm me |
| 14:16.39 | tralala | eifzon, I wasn't trying to |
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| 14:16.55 | the_sniff | in a vpc i used a static interface |
| 14:16.59 | the_sniff | but it was SERIOUSLY slow |
| 14:17.05 | the_sniff | now its dhcp and its ok |
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| 14:17.42 | chomwitt | tralala: you r right, but the school admin is very conservative in funds , ideas etc. |
| 14:17.57 | RockaBaby | liable, i found this in a ubuntu forum which seems to have the subject cardbus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271056 |
| 14:18.40 | tralala | chomwitt, promote the upgrade as a cost saver |
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| 14:19.19 | br34k7 | hi all |
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| 14:19.44 | br34k7 | anyone have a php script to change the ip address of debian |
| 14:19.59 | susanne-- | br34k7: uh. huh? |
| 14:20.30 | abrotman | chomwitt: you may want to inspect apt-proxy or similar (if your server capacity allows) |
| 14:20.41 | tralala | br34k7, perhaps |
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| 14:21.09 | susanne-- | br34k7: php is a web scripting language. are you saying you want people on the web to be able to dick with your computer's IP address? the only word i can think of to describe such a thing begins with S, ends with D, and you find TUPI in the middle. |
| 14:21.10 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/4NLGD516.html |
| 14:21.20 | the_sniff | whats wrong here? |
| 14:21.32 | liable | RockaBaby: that doesnt really give much info.. |
| 14:21.45 | abrotman | the_sniff: your network and broadcast don't seem quite right |
| 14:21.51 | liable | RockaBaby: though it appears the thing does support cardbus |
| 14:21.59 | abrotman | the_sniff: especially given your network is the same as your gateway |
| 14:22.03 | inji | hello, how do I download and compile an application with apt-get, but don't run it? Because i want to edit the conf-file before.. |
| 14:22.06 | wols | susanne--: you could secure it with pw and the like |
| 14:22.07 | DawnLight | exim4 question. how would i go about making all outgoing messages to be archived in a maildir, in a satellite debconf configuration? |
| 14:22.16 | abrotman | and your DNS |
| 14:22.24 | susanne-- | the_sniff: network and broadcast are nonsense. gateway is possible but unlikely. do you run your own dns server? |
| 14:22.26 | the_sniff | abrotman im not so keen on networks, why is it wrong and what should be there? |
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| 14:22.35 | the_sniff | susanne-- yes |
| 14:22.39 | the_sniff | and it's the gateway |
| 14:22.44 | abrotman | the_sniff: is that really your gateway ? |
| 14:22.50 | the_sniff | yeah |
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| 14:23.02 | susanne-- | the_sniff: i ask because generally the gateway is at the lowest IP address, not the highest. |
| 14:23.26 | the_sniff | i know |
| 14:23.35 | the_sniff | i didn't make the router, just bought it :s |
| 14:23.42 | the_sniff | im 1:p |
| 14:23.43 | abrotman | the_sniff: normally .. your network would be 192.168.123.0 and your broadcast would be 192.168.123.255 |
| 14:23.52 | the_sniff | lets see |
| 14:24.23 | the_sniff | how is it that on windows i don't see similiar configs? i tried taking the values from my win box |
| 14:24.36 | susanne-- | the_sniff: windows hides some of the configuration details. |
| 14:24.45 | the_sniff | how so? |
| 14:25.03 | susanne-- | the_sniff: you can calculate your network and broadcast from your IP and address. debian permits you to specify them, while windows hides that. |
| 14:25.18 | the_sniff | im on a windows server |
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| 14:25.31 | the_sniff | i guess i can do that with the net shell, but that's way off topic :p |
| 14:25.34 | susanne-- | sounds like a personal problem. get some therapy for it. |
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| 14:25.57 | the_sniff | meh |
| 14:26.07 | the_sniff | windows server is da bomb |
| 14:26.14 | susanne-- | !flamewar |
| 14:26.15 | dpkg | hmm... flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 14:26.39 | tralala | !cluebat the_sniff |
| 14:26.39 | the_sniff | you should say that to yourself i assume |
| 14:27.02 | the_sniff | i didn't start nothing |
| 14:27.05 | the_sniff | leave me alone :s |
| 14:27.11 | liable | RockaBaby: have a read of this .. http://cwrose.de/vaio/fx101.html |
| 14:28.25 | the_sniff | cool |
| 14:28.33 | the_sniff | abrotman my network address was wrong |
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| 14:28.47 | the_sniff | does 192.168.123.0 mean that 192.168.123.* is my network? |
| 14:28.48 | susanne-- | that can cause all kinds of lack of communication. |
| 14:28.59 | the_sniff | how? |
| 14:29.01 | the_sniff | i'd like to know |
| 14:29.08 | chomwitt | wols,tralala,Eulex,abrotman thanks for your help. First i think i'll try the quickest-dirtier solution to one by turning off net during install. And secondly i'll examine apt-zip,local mirror,apt-proxy soloution. |
| 14:29.51 | the_sniff | hehe i keep seeing the same people help here :p |
| 14:29.55 | susanne-- | is writing to ntfs in sarge (2.6.18) safe? |
| 14:30.17 | wols | susanne--: with ntfs-3g from backports: fairly |
| 14:30.18 | susanne-- | in etch rather. |
| 14:30.24 | wols | susanne--: kernel module is useless |
| 14:30.48 | eifzon | how do I uninstall a thing in debian? |
| 14:30.48 | the_sniff | whats up wols? |
| 14:30.49 | eifzon | with apt |
| 14:30.50 | wols | susanne--: I personally don't use it day 2 day but if I ever need to use it I do without apprehension |
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| 14:30.53 | slidesinger | I'm a little confused by the changes in smbmount, now mount.cifs. For some reason it no longer allows me to mount without su to root or sudo. Nautilus, which is not my preferred method, (I prefer the cli) seems to mount, but I can not find the mount point. I have discovered that this is because the binary is no longer setuid root. I then read that having this run setuid root could be a significant threat to the box. Dis |
| 14:30.58 | the_sniff | eifzon apt-get remove |
| 14:31.00 | wols | !tell eifzon about apt howto |
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| 14:34.29 | the_sniff | i need an mspaint like app |
| 14:34.34 | the_sniff | you guys know of any? |
| 14:34.49 | slidesinger | tuxpaint? |
| 14:34.57 | JediMaster | Hey guys, anyone know the location of the deb package uninstall scripts? (e.g. postrm etc), I need to hack an uninstall script that isn't working properly so I can cleanly uninstall it (it's years old) |
| 14:34.57 | debian | stigrett: oO |
| 14:35.12 | enouf | kolourpaint? kde |
| 14:35.25 | the_sniff | enouf im on xfce4 if it matters |
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| 14:35.31 | the_sniff | and hi to you :p |
| 14:35.39 | DerHorst | XPaint |
| 14:35.41 | enouf | hi - and dunno ;-) |
| 14:36.01 | enouf | (dunno == don't know - apologies) |
| 14:36.01 | tralala | the_sniff, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:36.12 | the_sniff | tralala i know but what would i look for :s |
| 14:36.48 | tralala | the_sniff, everything you can think of, until you find what you're looking for |
| 14:36.50 | debian | the_sniff: Can I get kde4 for debian etch? Can I make stable to become unstable? |
| 14:36.52 | enouf | JediMaster: locate postrm |
| 14:37.03 | slidesinger | the_sniff: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=paint&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 14:37.05 | enouf | JediMaster: locate ".postrm" or similar |
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| 14:37.27 | JediMaster | duh, why didn't I think of that =) |
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| 14:37.42 | enouf | debian: you can debianize debian |
| 14:37.46 | JediMaster | found them :-) /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postrm |
| 14:37.49 | the_sniff | debian what? |
| 14:37.54 | debian | Can I upgrade debian etch stable become unstable= |
| 14:37.59 | enouf | JediMaster: bingo |
| 14:38.00 | the_sniff | tralala asking people that know is easier |
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| 14:38.07 | kottlett | hi! what could be wrong, if nslookup resolves hosts to addresses... but ping and all other applications can't resolve it? |
| 14:38.09 | the_sniff | is debian a bot? |
| 14:38.14 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:38.19 | JediMaster | enouf: thanks, haven't used locate in years lol |
| 14:38.26 | enouf | the_sniff: please don't be lazy |
| 14:38.27 | debian | the_sniff: Yes |
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| 14:38.31 | abrotman | the_sniff: no |
| 14:38.36 | enouf | the_sniff: and especially don't flaunt it |
| 14:38.36 | JediMaster | forgot the locatedb was even being updated anymore =) |
| 14:38.37 | Ace2016 | how do i increase the screen resolution? now that xorg has stopped listening to xorg.conf and takes uses it as guidance |
| 14:38.42 | tralala | the_sniff, it's only lamier |
| 14:38.42 | abrotman | debian: you should NOT be using unstable |
| 14:38.46 | eifzon | How do I JUST upgrade irssi in debian? |
| 14:38.50 | enouf | the_sniff: our time is just as precious as yours |
| 14:38.50 | Ace2016 | debian sid is nice |
| 14:38.54 | debian | abrotman: I want kde4... |
| 14:38.57 | abrotman | Ace2016: do not do that |
| 14:39.07 | enouf | JediMaster: reaquaintances eh? ;) |
| 14:39.07 | Ace2016 | don't increase the screen res? |
| 14:39.15 | tralala | eifzon, I answered you already |
| 14:39.24 | inji | asking one more time, how do I download and compile an application with apt-get, but don't run it? Because i want to edit the conf-file before.. |
| 14:39.25 | Ace2016 | but i want 1920 x 1200 :( |
| 14:39.26 | eifzon | tralala cant do that cmd |
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| 14:39.34 | abrotman | !tell inji about source |
| 14:39.43 | tralala | !+tell eifzon -about bpo |
| 14:39.43 | dpkg | told eifzon about bpo. |
| 14:39.49 | tralala | !+tell eifzon -about simple sid backport |
| 14:39.51 | dpkg | told eifzon about simple sid backport. |
| 14:40.01 | susanne-- | well fuck me running backwards with a chicken pecking my husband's balls. downgrading to etch didn't fix my usb reset issue. hrm. is 2.6.18 the only kernel available on etch (stock)? or is there an earlier one? |
| 14:40.11 | enouf | inji: apt-get -d |
| 14:40.13 | the_sniff | wow xpaint is crap :( |
| 14:40.29 | the_sniff | enouf: im not being lazy |
| 14:40.35 | enouf | inji: to just d/l - /msg dpkg apt howto |
| 14:40.35 | Ace2016 | use gimp, its nice, or inkscape, its even better |
| 14:40.43 | the_sniff | say, searching would take me 5 mintues. and a person that knows 1 second |
| 14:40.48 | the_sniff | i think its fair enough :p |
| 14:40.50 | abrotman | they're different kind of tools .. one is vector, the other raster |
| 14:40.54 | Xenguy | the_sniff: try kolourpaint |
| 14:41.01 | inji | enouf, and the downloaded files goes to? current dir? |
| 14:41.03 | enouf | the_sniff: <the_sniff> tralala asking people that know is easier <-- is more than being lazy, but i was being nice ;-) |
| 14:41.05 | Xenguy | the_sniff: depending on your needs |
| 14:41.08 | debian | abrotman: Any ideas? I heard kde4 handles memory better, my system is kinda slow so I need easy! |
| 14:41.18 | debian | *light |
| 14:41.18 | abrotman | debian: i'm not going to help you destroy your OS |
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| 14:41.24 | enouf | inji: you can control where, iinm, but i forget atm |
| 14:41.28 | debian | abrotman: KDE4 is that bad? |
| 14:41.30 | wols | !kde4 |
| 14:41.31 | dpkg | kde4 is, like, a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 14:41.40 | wols | debian: it'S ot rady for endusers yet |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | debian: does it start with a 'K' ? |
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| 14:41.47 | wols | debian: use xfce instead |
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| 14:41.58 | debian | abrotman: You are a gnome?:P |
| 14:42.07 | enouf | inji: man apt-get and certainly the howto would know - i'd bet |
| 14:42.18 | debian | wols: Kinda boring... |
| 14:42.24 | abrotman | debian: irrelevant |
| 14:42.27 | inji | enouf, alright, i'll try that |
| 14:42.52 | JediMaster | enouf: thanks, hacked the prerm script and got it uninstalled =) |
| 14:43.10 | enouf | JediMaster: a judo, a chop chop ;-) |
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| 14:44.05 | the_sniff | lol i can't go 800x600 on vpc :s |
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| 14:44.14 | debian | abrotman: I think you know alot about linux and debian. I guess you also have a lot more exspirience with it than me, so I assume your choice is good. So what you use is probably better than what I can find. |
| 14:44.31 | The_PHP_Jedi | :P |
| 14:44.47 | enouf | stop |
| 14:44.48 | abrotman | debian: what are the specs on the machine you're using? |
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| 14:44.57 | JediMaster | haha |
| 14:45.03 | radius | debian, i think it's more about preference - each person has their own way to run their desktop (: |
| 14:45.19 | debian | abrotman: 377mb sdram, 600mhz cpu, geforce fx or mx 440. |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | debian: try XFCE |
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| 14:45.39 | debian | abrotman: Ok |
| 14:45.41 | JediMaster | back to php "programming" =) |
| 14:45.45 | enouf | use dwm :-P |
| 14:46.00 | the_sniff | xfce4 is cute |
| 14:46.15 | the_sniff | i might adopt that look for my windows shell replacement, what say you wols :p |
| 14:46.17 | tralala | kde/gnome runs fine even on 256mb ram |
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| 14:46.27 | debian | What file thing does XFCE use? |
| 14:46.31 | susanne-- | how can i force etch to use usb1.1 drivers only? |
| 14:46.31 | enouf | debian: apt-cache search x-window-manager if you find all the DEs you try a bit .. er bloated |
| 14:46.55 | the_sniff | DEs? |
| 14:47.00 | tralala | susanne--, blacklist the usb2 drivers (ehci-usb iinm) |
| 14:47.02 | enouf | susanne--: really? ugh |
| 14:47.28 | enouf | susanne--: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:47.30 | susanne-- | enouf: the disconnect issue is happening in etch. i've been jacking with this for three days and i need to rescue the data and be done with this asap. |
| 14:47.46 | enouf | i see - ok |
| 14:48.10 | susanne-- | it'll be faster for me to use 1.1 without disconnects than 2.0 with them every 10 files, since i have hundreds of thousands of files to rescue. |
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| 14:48.41 | enouf | tralala: {ehci,ohci}_hcd are loaded through the initrd, i'm pretty sure |
| 14:48.48 | enouf | even uhci_hcd |
| 14:48.53 | the_sniff | etch has bugs with usb2? |
| 14:49.05 | susanne-- | the_sniff: it appears to be an upstream kernel bug. |
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| 14:49.10 | enouf | no, her devices do |
| 14:49.13 | the_sniff | oh |
| 14:49.30 | the_sniff | a kernel bug or a device bug? |
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| 14:49.39 | enouf | one and the same ;-) |
| 14:49.43 | tralala | device bug without a kernel workaround |
| 14:50.07 | RockaBaby | liable, does that mean i have tell pcmcia not to use ... ? |
| 14:50.10 | susanne-- | a device bug that hasn't been worked around in the kernel. the devices remain on store shelves because windows doesn't exhibit the behavior. :-) |
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| 14:50.52 | slidesinger | That's because windoze tries to think for itself and fails miserably. |
| 14:50.56 | debian | How do I displace konqueror with dolphin? |
| 14:51.04 | debian | replace* |
| 14:51.12 | enouf | susanne--: i don't know your exact issue - but i did hear something about disabling the standard usb 2.0 stuff in the kernel and enabling the older lower-level driver helped (some mentioned it when getting timeouts and disconnects right in the middle of file transfers) |
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| 14:51.51 | slidesinger | debian: update-alternatives, if you're talking about default provider stuff. |
| 14:51.51 | enouf | susanne--: i don't recall exactly, but i could dig for you, if you're up for compiling |
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| 14:52.04 | Ace2016 | hm... this new sid kernel is surprising, sound quality when pcm volume is low is totally awesome, but when pcm is max and master volume is low it sucks, it really really sucks, just so much noise there |
| 14:52.09 | eifzon | What line shall i add to resources.list if I wanna upgrade irssi to newest version |
| 14:52.17 | the_sniff | tralala you make it sound like a kernel should workaround every device |
| 14:52.20 | the_sniff | i doubt it |
| 14:52.46 | enouf | !tell eifzon -about sources.list |
| 14:53.09 | susanne-- | enouf: the issue is: "usb 5-5.6: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12". bus numbers and device numbers change from time to time of course. i've seen reports on this in lkml, ubuntu, suse, and fedora forums, so this isn't a "debian" issue, it's def upstream. |
| 14:53.38 | susanne-- | i'm not familiar with the correct way to compile a kernel on etch tho. |
| 14:53.51 | enouf | susanne--: i understand - perhaps the workaround i mentioned above might help? not sure - can i PM you? |
| 14:53.58 | susanne-- | enouf sure. |
| 14:54.00 | enouf | ok |
| 14:54.09 | susanne-- | oh, i'm not registered. |
| 14:54.16 | slidesinger | Ace2016: speaking as an audio engineer, you are usually going to get better sound from any mixing type device if the stage closest to the amplifier is set to the higher level than the input stage, this is because there is more headroom (compare to bandwidth, only for sound) in the output stage. |
| 14:54.21 | tralala | the_sniff, I don't |
| 14:54.29 | the_sniff | <tralala> device bug without a kernel workaround |
| 14:54.31 | susanne-- | okay. |
| 14:54.40 | the_sniff | that sounds like an excuse for the kerne |
| 14:54.41 | the_sniff | l |
| 14:54.46 | the_sniff | are you a kernel dev or something? |
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| 14:55.06 | tralala | it is an excuse for the kernel, because the bug is _outside_ the kernel |
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| 14:55.23 | the_sniff | so why should it be worked around in the kernel? |
| 14:55.31 | Eulex | the_sniff, all hardware has bugs, after a while they just become 'specifications' |
| 14:55.34 | enouf | the_sniff: consumer hardware sucks ass for the most part |
| 14:55.45 | slidesinger | the_sniff: device drivers != kernel, kernel modules != kernel. |
| 14:55.48 | tralala | the_sniff, who says it should? |
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| 14:56.06 | the_sniff | mmm |
| 14:56.20 | the_sniff | people that believe linux should be for all users? |
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| 14:56.28 | tralala | slidesinger, linux modules == linux |
| 14:56.32 | the_sniff | enouf: i agree on that |
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| 14:56.45 | the_sniff | slidesinger: what?? |
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| 14:57.57 | tralala | the_sniff, in any case I didn't say or imply anything saying linux should work around hw bugs |
| 14:58.30 | slidesinger | the_sniff: modules and device drivers use hooks in the kernel, but are not always part of the kernel, though they go through the same process to get into the source as the core kernel does. |
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| 14:58.53 | the_sniff | slidesinger so why would a kernel workaround fix it? |
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| 14:59.15 | the_sniff | tralala: from what you wrote i get that that's the way to do it |
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| 14:59.34 | slidesinger | the_sniff: They're really talking abot a device driver/module workaround for the kernel. |
| 14:59.41 | slidesinger | the_sniff: I think. |
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| 15:00.39 | the_sniff | mmm thats not how i read it and i can't see it |
| 15:00.42 | the_sniff | but i'd like to know |
| 15:00.51 | slidesinger | tralala: You're right, linux modules == linux but linux != linux modules. |
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| 15:01.43 | the_sniff | how can i take a screen shot in xfce4? i can't seem to do it :X |
| 15:02.28 | Eulex | the_sniff, use scrot, import -w root or the screenshooter panel plugin. |
| 15:02.34 | the_sniff | whats screenshooter ? |
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| 15:03.01 | debian | the_sniff: Screenshoot program? |
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| 15:03.07 | the_sniff | yeah something like that |
| 15:03.32 | Eulex | it's a panel plugin that takes screenshots |
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| 15:10.29 | Dave_is_sexy | Does Debian have anything akin to Windows services? It seems silly to have to recompile the kernel every time you want something that's not included in the main release. |
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| 15:10.45 | mike1o | I am going bananas trying to install a 56k usb modem for this chick I know... |
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| 15:11.04 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: how many times did you recompile your kernel? |
| 15:11.12 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: what are you missing right now? |
| 15:11.14 | Dave_is_sexy | me? ha |
| 15:11.34 | Dave_is_sexy | I am missing fatx drivers this time |
| 15:11.39 | tarzeau | mike1o: it's a winmodem? |
| 15:11.50 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: did you build the kernel? |
| 15:12.00 | Dave_is_sexy | not yet, but it seems i have to |
| 15:12.04 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: debian builds most things, and you just load the module if it's not loaded by itself |
| 15:12.09 | Dave_is_sexy | oh |
| 15:12.12 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: you use a debian kernel? |
| 15:12.20 | Dave_is_sexy | yeah standard etch |
| 15:12.24 | mike1o | tarzeau, I was told that winmodems weren't good so I bought this "trust" usb external modem... should be conexant... |
| 15:12.31 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: and you can't just modprobe fatx? |
| 15:12.44 | tarzeau | mike1o: and not even that works? |
| 15:12.44 | Dave_is_sexy | hmm. i'm not sure |
| 15:12.56 | mike1o | tarzeau, not for now |
| 15:12.57 | tarzeau | mike1o: why does this chick not use windows or mac os x? |
| 15:13.13 | mike1o | tarzeau, because I told her linux is much better :) |
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| 15:13.28 | mike1o | tarzeau, so now I HAVE to install u know? |
| 15:13.40 | pif | hi, how do I 'export' a partition with iscsi ? |
| 15:13.47 | pif | what utilities do I need ? |
| 15:13.48 | mike1o | chix dig linux |
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| 15:15.00 | mike1o | anyways see ya all later |
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| 15:17.25 | tarzeau | now's the best time to bring her flowers |
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| 15:27.15 | abrotman | can 'radeon' use tv-out? |
| 15:28.04 | the_sniff | which one? |
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| 15:28.28 | the_sniff | can anyone gimme a scenario where i could really mess stuff up with root? |
| 15:28.32 | the_sniff | im usually using root |
| 15:28.34 | abrotman | which one what one? |
| 15:28.37 | the_sniff | hardly ever do user stuff |
| 15:28.42 | the_sniff | which radeon card |
| 15:28.44 | abrotman | the_sniff: uhm .. compiling .. |
| 15:28.48 | abrotman | 9600 AIW |
| 15:29.00 | the_sniff | how would compiling do that? |
| 15:29.06 | abrotman | the_sniff: doing stuff as root is inherently dangerous |
| 15:29.12 | abrotman | the_sniff: have you ever read a make file ? |
| 15:29.18 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 15:29.25 | the_sniff | but make files don't usually install |
| 15:29.32 | abrotman | like .. make install ? |
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| 15:29.37 | the_sniff | i never saw one that installs without make install |
| 15:30.08 | abrotman | even a make could do it |
| 15:30.09 | the_sniff | http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon9600/aiw9600xt/specs.html |
| 15:30.17 | the_sniff | on purpose |
| 15:30.28 | sordith | the_sniff: when you plan to type "rm -rf ~/*" but miss out the tilde, then you will pretty fast notice the difference between doing that as normal user or as root |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | the_sniff: i'm not asking about fglrx .. i'm asking about the 'radeon' driver |
| 15:30.43 | the_sniff | sordith heh i never did that |
| 15:30.49 | the_sniff | abrotman oh |
| 15:30.50 | the_sniff | lol |
| 15:30.52 | the_sniff | dunno |
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| 15:31.36 | riot | heya. |
| 15:31.45 | andpy | how do I change the unicode in xterm? |
| 15:31.57 | riot | how can i find out, what x-displays (:1, :2 etc) are in use? |
| 15:32.07 | the_sniff | abrotman i thought you ment the card |
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| 15:32.24 | abrotman | the_sniff: obviously ... |
| 15:32.35 | the_sniff | if its the card then read the specs |
| 15:32.50 | the_sniff | if its the card's linux drivers then i've no clue :p |
| 15:33.15 | the_sniff | i wouldn't give a linux pc any gfx card other then the onboard one |
| 15:33.23 | andpy | anyone knows? |
| 15:34.02 | abrotman | the_sniff: that doesn't guarantee you squat |
| 15:34.06 | sordith | is the 8000 series of NVidia onboard anywhere yet? |
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| 15:34.17 | the_sniff | abrotman how so? |
| 15:34.44 | abrotman | the_sniff: they make onboard vga that drivers don't exist for |
| 15:35.13 | the_sniff | what? onboard vgas are usually geforce 6x from what i saw |
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| 15:45.22 | dcnoye|starbucks | what is the difference between exim4 and exim4-config ? i did a apt-get source exim4 and a apt-get source exim4-config, used filemerge to compare, and find no differences.... am i missing something ? |
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| 15:46.19 | shreevathsa | i have ordered alienware M9750 notebook without OS..does it fully compatiable with Debian? |
| 15:46.19 | Roge | lame |
| 15:46.27 | shreevathsa | which version is suitable |
| 15:46.29 | shreevathsa | ? |
| 15:46.48 | shreevathsa | i wantr to use this laptop as my workstation |
| 15:46.51 | Roge | its normally a good idea to check thoose things before you order |
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| 15:47.20 | Roge | i would do a google search for the model number and debian |
| 15:47.22 | shreevathsa | they say it may support, since they wont give linux support |
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| 15:48.17 | liable | shreevathsa: depends on the chipset it has |
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| 15:48.44 | andpy | How do I get the right locales? |
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| 15:49.22 | shreevathsa | oh i heard ATI is the only chipset which has problem in linux |
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| 15:50.10 | Roge | nvidia would be your best bet i think |
| 15:50.19 | Roge | but i cant tell you, you wont get an ati to work |
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| 15:50.28 | shreevathsa | ohk |
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| 15:51.03 | shreevathsa | which lap top you preffer is best for Linux worstation |
| 15:51.04 | shreevathsa | ? |
| 15:51.17 | the_sniff | what would be the diff? drivers? |
| 15:51.19 | Roge | its really personal preference |
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| 15:52.01 | debian | I want to switch on samba shares automagicaly, and manually, how? |
| 15:52.37 | shreevathsa | no i mean. is there any perticular model. which is optimized with linux. or might give a very stable linux drivers |
| 15:52.41 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 15:53.03 | Ace2016 | how do i see what program is using my hard disk, because everything is seriously !!slow!! |
| 15:53.05 | Roge | i dont know shreevathsa you should use google |
| 15:53.09 | Nuxis | Hey, I compiled fluxbox (to have the latest) but gdm doesn't see it. Fluxbox is installed in /usr/local/share/fluxbox/ . How can I configure my system that I can start fluxbox from gdm? |
| 15:53.16 | Ace2016 | not even alt+f2 works |
| 15:53.27 | sordith | shreevathsa: you identify all of its components and do research on them whether they are supported |
| 15:53.28 | Roge | Ace2016, run top in the command line |
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| 15:53.39 | Ace2016 | but thats for cpu is it not? |
| 15:53.47 | shreevathsa | thats a better idea sordith |
| 15:53.58 | Roge | you said everything slow Ace2016 |
| 15:54.12 | Roge | if a program is making it slow its using the cpu and memory |
| 15:54.15 | Ace2016 | well my alt+f2 isn't comming up |
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| 15:55.29 | shreevathsa | how to i install gcc 2.9 on my system |
| 15:55.31 | Ace2016 | i rely heavily on it since i have nothing apart from cairo-clock and avant on my desktop, no menus |
| 15:56.11 | Roge | shreevathsa, apt-get install build-essential will give you a compiler |
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| 15:56.43 | sordith | shreevathsa: why do you need this old version of gcc? |
| 15:56.49 | Ace2016 | brb need to get alt+f2 back. guess i have to logout |
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| 15:57.21 | shreevathsa | am sorry i could not see that. |
| 15:57.36 | shreevathsa | how do i install gcc 2.9 |
| 15:57.39 | shreevathsa | ? |
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| 15:57.51 | Roge | do you NEED the old version shreevathsa ? |
| 15:57.54 | sordith | shreevathsa: i asked why do you need this old version of gcc, because the current stable release of debian has much newer versions of gcc |
| 15:57.56 | Nuxis | shreevathsa: apt-get install build-eesntial |
| 15:58.04 | shreevathsa | yes. |
| 15:58.17 | Roge | then you may have to do a manual install |
| 15:58.28 | shreevathsa | my apps ..or build is not compatiable |
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| 15:58.42 | Roge | what app is not compat |
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| 15:59.15 | shreevathsa | its. a propriaty tool , am sorry cant name it |
| 15:59.23 | shreevathsa | its a verilog compiler |
| 15:59.27 | dcnoye|starbucks | how do i download a debian package without actually installing it ? |
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| 15:59.32 | Ace2016 | OMG sun aquired virtualbox no no no no no! |
| 15:59.35 | andpy | lol |
| 15:59.40 | andpy | locales work |
| 16:00.05 | sordith | shreevathsa: you can search on packages.debian.org if "oldstable" has that old version of gcc, if not you have to browse the archive of older releases and install that manually |
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| 16:00.26 | sepski | dcnoye|starbucks, aptitude download packagename |
| 16:00.27 | shreevathsa | hmm.. |
| 16:00.28 | debian | I have a friend, he have managed to destroy two kubuntu instalations, would debian etch be harder to destroy? |
| 16:00.34 | shreevathsa | can i get that lik |
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| 16:01.03 | dcnoye|starbucks | thanks sepski |
| 16:01.14 | sepski | debian, just dont give him root access |
| 16:01.15 | sepski | :) |
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| 16:02.45 | debian | sepski: And then ssh it sercretly to do stuff for me... |
| 16:02.54 | debian | But I think kubuntu is an mess... |
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| 16:02.59 | shreevathsa | no old version |
| 16:03.01 | sordith | shreevathsa: i suspect you will be required to build a chroot with the entire dependencies of your old gcc to get a working result of your compiling efforts |
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| 16:03.53 | chomwitt | in a clean etch installation i tryed to open the update manager and a window poped up asking for a keyring password. What is that? Must it be another new password to remember? |
| 16:03.59 | shreevathsa | hmm..ok |
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| 16:04.13 | shreevathsa | may i have to learn alot |
| 16:04.21 | Nuxis | ..can someone help me? |
| 16:04.31 | o2T7 | debian: I do think so too, but your/his problem is that he has power and doesn't know what to do with it. |
| 16:04.51 | sordith | shreevathsa: the reason why life with dependencies is a bit harder than things in the windows world is the story of a book |
| 16:05.00 | pde1 | does anyone know why, on a newly installed & upgraded to unstable system, |
| 16:05.11 | pde1 | control-alt-backspace wouldn't work from X |
| 16:05.18 | debian | How do I inform debian that I dont like konqueror and would rather use much faster dolphin? |
| 16:05.34 | pde1 | and similarly, switching to virtual terminals doesn't work from X? |
| 16:05.57 | nimbat | shreevathsa: there is a gcc-2.95 package in sarge (old-stable) |
| 16:06.01 | shreevathsa | i can understand..sordith if you can suggest me a good book which tell me these would be gr8 |
| 16:06.08 | Nuxis | Hey, I compiled fluxbox (to have the latest) but gdm doesn't see it. Fluxbox is installed in /usr/local/share/fluxbox/ . How can I configure my system that I can start fluxbox from gdm? |
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| 16:06.48 | sordith | shreevathsa: http://www.debian.org/doc/ has lots of free and useful guides |
| 16:07.18 | o2T7 | Nuxis: I'm just guessing, but if you locate the rest of window managers you have, then you can get a pattern of where does gdm look for them. Then you could create a symbolic link of fluxbox there. |
| 16:07.21 | shreevathsa | thats quite helpfull sordith |
| 16:07.38 | phorce1 | pde1: sounds like your keybord mappings are borked somehow. Do other functions using alt and or ctrl keys (like switching windows) work OK? |
| 16:07.41 | Nuxis | o2T7: yea maybe .. i will look it up tnx |
| 16:07.52 | sordith | shreevathsa: also worth to mention is the Debian Wiki |
| 16:07.55 | phorce1 | pde1: BTW, it's called "UNSTABLE" for a reason. |
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| 16:09.04 | o2T7 | Nuxis: np, perhaps it's not a very clean solution, the best one is looking in gdm's docs for the paths where it looks for WMs |
| 16:09.06 | pde1 | phorce1: xkbsel shows the keys being mapped correctly |
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| 16:09.31 | pde1 | interestingly, control+alt+F1 etc work from gdm, but not once I've logged in |
| 16:09.47 | pde1 | I did copy my user account from an old system |
| 16:09.57 | pde1 | including a .xsession file that worked previously |
| 16:10.18 | pde1 | it does do "setxkbmap us -option compose:caps" |
| 16:10.30 | pde1 | that /shouldn't/ cause a problem (never did in the past) |
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| 16:10.37 | phorce1 | definitely something it's not likeing in the keymaps loaded by the session manager at login and unloaded at logout |
| 16:10.51 | pde1 | also, control alt left, control alt right are mapped in my wm to jump desktops; they work |
| 16:10.53 | Nuxis | o2T7: I found it, http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Faqs#How_do_I_add_fluxbox_to_my_GDM_sessions_menu.3F if you interested. tnx for the little help :) |
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| 16:11.56 | o2T7 | Nuxis: cool |
| 16:12.15 | phorce1 | pde1: The ctrl-alt-left/right are default mapping I think. Works here on etch and I never modified the map. |
| 16:12.43 | pde1 | * nods |
| 16:13.13 | pde1 | the setxkbmap command just turns on composing of accent characters; it's working |
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| 16:15.42 | pde1 | intriguingly, when I press control-alt-backspace into xkeycaps, it prints this error: |
| 16:15.44 | pde1 | xkeycaps: ERROR: more KeyReleases than KeyPresses on "Backspace" |
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| 16:16.15 | pde1 | which might be a sign of X catching the event and doing something unusual with it |
| 16:16.23 | Roge | thats an odd error |
| 16:16.31 | debian | How to make dolphin standard file manager? |
| 16:16.31 | Roge | shouldnt that combination just kill x ? |
| 16:16.33 | pde1 | I can't see anything unusual in xorg.conf |
| 16:16.39 | pde1 | Roge: that's my problem -- it isn't |
| 16:16.50 | phorce1 | dist upgrade to lenny broke my nvidia install somehow. Trying to use "Driver = nvidia" breaks with a "no such module" error. Using "Driver = nv" at least gets me in. lsmod shows nvidia module loaded |
| 16:17.00 | Roge | first time i herd of that pde1 |
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| 16:17.51 | pde1 | There are certainly X server settings mentioned on the web that would have this effect, but I don't think I should have one |
| 16:18.05 | piju | dpkg; evilwm |
| 16:18.05 | dpkg | i heard evilwm is a borderless wm. extremely minimalistic (if you care about that kind of thing) |
| 16:18.07 | piju | !evilwm |
| 16:18.11 | pde1 | I have to kill this IRC client to run further experiments |
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| 16:18.22 | pde1 | hmmm, well, not quite yet |
| 16:18.22 | piju | how to use dpkg ? |
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| 16:19.49 | phorce1 | piju: /msg dpkg <factoid you want info on> (eg. /msg dpkg topic) |
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| 16:21.20 | Roge | if ubuntu worked out of the box on my laptop, do you think its fair to assume deb will ? |
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| 16:21.33 | Roge | mostly the wifi im concerned with |
| 16:21.40 | wols | what chip? |
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| 16:21.47 | wols | and what mobo chipset? |
| 16:21.57 | chops | phorce1: How did you install your nvidia driver? |
| 16:22.16 | Roge | intel duel core |
| 16:22.19 | Ace2016_ | m-a a-i nvidia, job done |
| 16:22.34 | wols | Roge: and the wlan? |
| 16:23.03 | Roge | im not sure tbh, is there a command to find out ? |
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| 16:23.08 | abrotman | lspci |
| 16:23.12 | liable | almost no wireless will work with the installer |
| 16:23.28 | Ace2016_ | oh but sometimes you have to uninstall nvidia-kernel-source and run that, then it'll work well, there seems to be a bug there |
| 16:23.42 | Ace2016_ | when updating i had to uninstall nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:23.45 | wols | !tell Roge about kmuto |
| 16:23.45 | phorce1 | chops: apt-get the kernel driver for current kernel (but before dist-upgrade) |
| 16:23.45 | wols | dpkg: wakey wakey |
| 16:23.45 | wols | !ping |
| 16:23.45 | chops | phorce1: And the X driver also via apt-get? |
| 16:23.47 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:23.48 | wols | ~kmuto |
| 16:23.54 | Roge | intel wireless 3945ABG |
| 16:23.55 | phorce1 | chops: yes. I seldom self-compile anything (although the move to lenny is so I can self-compile the latest mythtv) |
| 16:24.02 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 16:24.02 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 16:24.25 | chops | phorce1: Odd, it should just work then. It might be a bug (though I don't run nvidia; someone who's more familiar with it might be able to recognize your problem better than I). |
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| 16:24.54 | Roge | ty |
| 16:24.59 | wols | phorce1: what kernel vresion? |
| 16:25.07 | wols | phorce1: notw how there is NO nvidia driver in lenny |
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| 16:25.24 | wols | and: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 16:25.28 | phorce1 | Ace2016_: "m-a a-i"? |
| 16:25.35 | Ace2016_ | yea |
| 16:25.40 | wols | phorce1: ignor him for now since it won't work |
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| 16:25.43 | wols | Ace2016_: testing |
| 16:25.43 | phorce1 | wols: stayed at 2.6.18-6 during the upgrade |
| 16:26.01 | Ace2016_ | its used when you have a custom kernel |
| 16:26.02 | chops | phorce1: You need both the kernel driver and the X driver... sounds like the X driver is what you're missing (since it's not in lenny) |
| 16:26.04 | wols | phorce1: put etch contrib non-free in your sources.list aind reinstall the kernel module |
| 16:26.33 | wols | Ace2016_: it never ever works in testing |
| 16:26.41 | Ace2016_ | it works in sid though |
| 16:26.50 | wols | he doesn't run sid |
| 16:27.03 | Ace2016_ | why doesn't it work in testing? |
| 16:27.04 | phorce1 | ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7 1.0.8776+6etch2 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 16:27.09 | Roge | ill just run deb in virtualbox |
| 16:27.15 | phorce1 | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 16:27.19 | Roge | all i really wanted was a taste |
| 16:27.31 | wols | phorce1: modprobe and try X againg this time with nvidia in xorg.conf. check the Xorg.0.log error log |
| 16:27.36 | Ace2016_ | Roge: xp in virtualbox in linux is better |
| 16:27.50 | chops | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 16:27.51 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 16:28.05 | wols | chops:the reasons ther a BS by now |
| 16:28.17 | wols | there simply is no reason for nvidia not to be in testing for 9 months or so now |
| 16:28.48 | phorce1 | lsmod|grep nvidia --> nvidia 4550548 0 |
| 16:28.54 | Roge | Ace2016_, good point |
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| 16:29.07 | Ace2016_ | thats what i do |
| 16:29.25 | Roge | i wanted to try pure deb, but i dont want to install it on this laptop and not have it fully functional |
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| 16:29.38 | wols | phorce1: so whatdoes Xorg.0.log say? |
| 16:29.50 | cr3 | in debian packaging, is there some magical file under the debian directory for creating symlinks? |
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| 16:29.59 | Roge | i guess thats where the old desktop comes in handy |
| 16:30.03 | Roge | muhahaha |
| 16:30.22 | drwahl | |
| 16:30.23 | wols | cr3: te debconf scripts? |
| 16:30.26 | phorce1 | wols: I'll have to leave and "break it" again. I'm in X right now using "nv" as the driver |
| 16:30.32 | phorce1 | brb |
| 16:30.35 | wols | phorce1: install irssi |
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| 16:31.21 | sordith | yeah, or use good old telnet to ask your support questions on IRC |
| 16:31.54 | cr3 | wols: you know how there's a .dirs file for creating directories, I was wondering if there might be something similar for symbolic links |
| 16:31.56 | phorce1 | wols: I'm using irssi, I just like the "cleaner" fonts/screens in xterms as opposed to straight terminal since I never quite got the hang of using fbdev on tty |
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| 16:33.13 | phorce1 | wols: I run X but 90% of what I do on this box (with the exception of web browsing and email) I do in console windows |
| 16:33.33 | phorce1 | anyway, brb -- going to break X for a sec |
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| 16:35.58 | diafic | To resolve this issue you can blacklist the option module. <-- how? |
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| 16:36.34 | wols | !tell diafic about blacklist |
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| 16:37.57 | diafic | ta |
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| 16:40.24 | phorce1 | wols: The problematic line in the log is (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 16:40.51 | shreevathsa | bye for now |
| 16:41.27 | cahoot | phorce1: that's expected if you changed kernel |
| 16:41.39 | sordith | phorce1: if you build the NVidia driver with their binary you need to add "--x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules" |
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| 16:42.44 | phorce1 | cahoot: but I didnt change kernels --- did change everything else though. |
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| 16:43.15 | phorce1 | and lsmod shows the nvidia module loaded |
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| 16:43.47 | sordith | phorce1: good luck till you find my information useful |
| 16:43.49 | diafic | ... |
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| 16:43.56 | diafic | IRC for emacs... |
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| 16:44.03 | diafic | What. The. Hell. |
| 16:44.41 | phorce1 | sordith: I didn't manually build the driver. Used apt-get to install it |
| 16:45.45 | drwahl | phorce1: do you have module-assistant installed? |
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| 16:46.51 | xerophyte | what is so special about heartbeat .. just wondering.. cann't you do heartbeat stuff with cron .. like checking the host availablity using cron and take some action one host .. i am little confused |
| 16:46.57 | pumpkin0 | diafic: emacs is a great OS,but it lacks a easy-to-use text editor. |
| 16:47.04 | phorce1 | drwahl: yes |
| 16:47.11 | xerophyte | what is so special about heartbeat .. just wondering.. cann't you do heartbeat stuff with cron .. like checking the host availablity using cron and take some action one host .. i am little confused |
| 16:47.12 | diafic | pumpkin0, :P |
| 16:47.27 | diafic | I got an awsomecool wireless USB modem. Working with linux would be doubleplus good |
| 16:47.41 | drwahl | xerophyte: heartbeat allows for 2 or more computers to be redundant to each other in case of failure. it is a daemon, so it does not run as a cron job |
| 16:48.17 | diafic | Its a Huawei E220, or something like that |
| 16:48.20 | drwahl | phorce1: have your tried: m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvida ??? make sure that contrib and non-free are in your sources.list |
| 16:48.31 | diafic | Yeah. I was correct. Huawei |
| 16:48.38 | liable | diafic: thats supported in recent kernels iirc |
| 16:48.41 | diafic | I know |
| 16:48.44 | diafic | thus I bought it :) |
| 16:48.51 | diafic | Gonna try the vodaphone GUI |
| 16:48.54 | liable | so use it.. :P |
| 16:48.59 | xerophyte | drwahl: i am still confused cann't you do that with cron |
| 16:49.03 | diafic | Its a Three device though |
| 16:49.03 | liable | just use ppp |
| 16:49.08 | diafic | which will be max lawls if it works |
| 16:49.18 | diafic | liable, I don't know how :s |
| 16:49.33 | liable | diafic: are you in au? |
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| 16:50.20 | drwahl | xerophyte: heartbeat is more than that as well. it keeps routes updated between the hosts and is a FAST fail over (alomst instant). you might be able to script most of that with cron, but hearbeat is a better package for it all. it has many other features as well, but i would have to re-read the documentation to recall them all |
| 16:50.21 | diafic | nope |
| 16:50.23 | diafic | UK |
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| 16:51.05 | xerophyte | drwahl: thx .. i was just wondering why would i need extra complexity |
| 16:51.16 | liable | diafic: theres docs out there for setting up 3g modems in linux, i think even NM can do it these days |
| 16:51.28 | diafic | I didn't manage to get NM to do it |
| 16:51.36 | diafic | I gotta reboot, I had to blacklist a kernel module |
| 16:51.37 | diafic | brb |
| 16:51.44 | diafic | liable, buzz me when I get back :P |
| 16:51.47 | diafic | *gone* |
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| 16:51.57 | drwahl | xerophyte: for extra performance and reliabilty |
| 16:51.59 | liable | no, i am sleeping soon |
| 16:52.04 | nictimju | exit |
| 16:52.11 | liable | bye bye |
| 16:52.31 | xerophyte | drwahl: how does it take over the ip .. just wonderign does it create virtual inteface on the other node and take over the host ? |
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| 16:53.47 | drwahl | xerophyte: both of the machines are set to respond to a virtual IP. when requests are sent to the machines with heartbeat, they send it to the virtual IP. the machines then also have a real IP that they use to contact each other and ensure they are alive |
| 16:54.20 | pde1 | phorce1, Roge: the control-alt problem seems to be something to do with gnome and icewm |
| 16:54.21 | drwahl | xerophyte: when i used heartbeat last, it was for a fail over routing system |
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| 17:00.34 | phorce1 | drwahl: I think I'll do this the smart way and just google for setting up nvidia under lenny. Treat it as a new card install (which means customers are bugging me on the phone and I keep having to switch away from irssi) |
| 17:01.03 | drwahl | !tell phorce1 about nvidia |
| 17:01.30 | phorce1 | pde1: Something in icewm is probably trying to remap the keys. I think I recall it having it's own key mapping controls. |
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| 17:03.57 | diafic | liable, hey |
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| 17:04.18 | diafic | I've got it to recognise it now, and it loads the USB storage on the device, but I still can't work out how to connect |
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| 17:05.14 | liable | diafic: what were we talking about? |
| 17:05.34 | diafic | the hauwei e220 |
| 17:05.41 | diafic | USB HSDPA modem |
| 17:06.28 | liable | diafic: ok, install wvdial |
| 17:07.12 | liable | diafic: http://foomagic.org/wiki/index.php/Using_the_Sierra_mc8755_WWAN_card_under_linux <-- see if that helps |
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| 17:08.21 | susanne-- | radius: sid puts hair on your palms. (haven't you noticed?) |
| 17:08.34 | radius | susanne--, i shave them |
| 17:08.39 | drwahl | radius: how is that working for ya? i was having some issues about a month ago |
| 17:08.42 | radius | i like the rough side |
| 17:08.49 | radius | got it all working drwahl |
| 17:09.00 | diafic | liable, OK |
| 17:09.01 | radius | changed my 3.5.8 to 4.0.1 in 15 mins |
| 17:09.16 | radius | my fav key(s) ctrl+f8 |
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| 17:10.28 | drwahl | radius: i had it installed and "working" at one point (only took like an hour) but some weird things happend like i lost the task bar on the bottom and couldnt get it back and the plasmas were acting quirky. and i couldn't change the background to anything other than the pictures that were packed with it |
| 17:10.55 | radius | feb-5 - new update - you should try again - |
| 17:11.01 | liable | !penixsmite susanne-- |
| 17:11.09 | radius | drwahl, i even have superkamaba working |
| 17:11.27 | drwahl | radius: i just might havbe to :), especially if karamba is working |
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| 17:11.38 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 17:11.38 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 17:11.51 | radius | image is a little poor for karamba but works nevertheless |
| 17:11.53 | sordith | liable: are you friends with this militant person? |
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| 17:12.09 | liable | sordith: which militant person? |
| 17:12.29 | sordith | liable: the person who will get too close to your penis with a knife if you keep waving it |
| 17:13.00 | diafic | liable, something interesting happened |
| 17:13.10 | liable | sordith: eh? |
| 17:13.12 | diafic | http://pastebin.ca/920822 |
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| 17:13.34 | sordith | liable: when she starts barking at the newbies again i will show you |
| 17:13.47 | liable | sordith: oh, no. |
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| 17:14.49 | liable | diafic: have you googled to see what your providors config is? |
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| 17:15.25 | diafic | I have no idea ;; |
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| 17:15.41 | liable | diafic: man pppd, exit 2 means you fucked up your config |
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| 17:16.40 | drwahl | i keep getting mail from exim about errors. it is mailing me: |
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| 17:16.41 | drwahl | U 1 root@drwahldesky6 Mon Jan 21 06:25 17/649 exim paniclog on drwahldesky64 has non-zero size U 2 root@drwahldesky6 Tue Jan 22 06:25 17/649 exim paniclog on drwahldesky64 has non-zero size |
| 17:16.50 | drwahl | any ideas how to stop this? |
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| 17:17.18 | lepton | drwahl: mv the "paniclog" file to somewhere else |
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| 17:18.00 | arachnist | hi |
| 17:18.12 | arachnist | how do i list files installed by a gien package? |
| 17:18.17 | liable | diafic: wvdial calls pppd |
| 17:18.26 | diafic | Hmm |
| 17:18.30 | wols | phorce1: get nvidia-graphics-drivers source package and compile your own version of the debian nvidia drivers |
| 17:18.31 | lepton | arachnist: dpkg -L gien |
| 17:18.32 | diafic | I gotta turn off wifi to see if its working |
| 17:18.38 | diafic | back in a bit hopefully :) |
| 17:18.44 | wols | !tell phorce1 about simple sid backport |
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| 17:18.53 | wols | phorce1: that works for etch "backports" to lenny too |
| 17:19.09 | dcnoye | is there a way to search to see if someone is backporting a package ? |
| 17:19.18 | wols | !bpo |
| 17:19.18 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 17:19.29 | wols | usually a backport is a simple thing |
| 17:19.31 | wols | most of the time |
| 17:20.04 | dcnoye | wols: so your saying it is easy to backport a package ? |
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| 17:20.27 | wols | most times, yes |
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| 17:21.19 | dcnoye | wols is there a way to search to see if someone is backporting a package ? |
| 17:21.20 | Corty | any streamripper users here? |
| 17:21.41 | lepton | dcnoye: yes, if you're a decent unix programmer |
| 17:21.47 | drwahl | !anyone use streamripper |
| 17:21.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses streamripper, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:21.58 | Corty | lol |
| 17:22.07 | arachnist | and if i do 'apt-get source foo' foo sources should land in /usr/src, yes? |
| 17:22.08 | dcnoye | lepton: i'm not, so what is the trick ? |
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| 17:22.16 | wols | arachnist: no. in cwd |
| 17:22.25 | drwahl | Corty: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 17:22.29 | wols | dcnoye: no there is not |
| 17:22.38 | wols | debian doesn't do surveillance on people's PCs |
| 17:22.51 | drwahl | Corty: if anyone knows the answer, the will assist you. if not, they will ignore you. no harm, no foul :) |
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| 17:23.20 | Corty | drwahl, well... need to rip a vip stream, so it's password protected. the user@pass trick does not work |
| 17:23.25 | arachnist | wols: thanks. now i have a mess in / in my debian vserver ;> |
| 17:23.56 | dcnoye | i know that... but, considering that it appears to be a process, i thought there might be a checkin of works in progress |
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| 17:24.23 | phorce1 | wols: I just figured that out after fiddling with m-a for a while beween customers. It fails to unpack the source and clais it isn't installed even though dpkg-l shows it as installed the .tgz is sitting in /usr/src |
| 17:24.47 | dcnoye | but if it is as straight forward as you say, are there good directions somewhere ? (wols) |
| 17:24.52 | drwahl | Corty: i do not know how to do that, but maybe one of the other guys (and gals) here do... |
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| 17:25.28 | phorce1 | wols: I'll probably just go ahead and upgrade the kernel to .24 while I'm at it and do a clean manual build of everything |
| 17:25.56 | wols | phorce1: nvidia.com drivers are not supported. neither will you need m-a to install the drivers now |
| 17:25.58 | Corty | drwahl, k |
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| 17:26.00 | kombi | Got 2.6.22-3-486 and Athlon 64 X2 5600+. I only see one cpu in both top and /proc/cpuinfo. I thought the standard kernel is compiled with SMP by default? |
| 17:26.02 | phorce1 | (or rather kernel .22 for lenny I think) |
| 17:26.13 | abrotman | kombi: use a -amd64 |
| 17:26.13 | wols | kombi: get a 686 kernel |
| 17:26.19 | abrotman | either will work |
| 17:26.22 | drwahl | kombi: you need an smp kernel |
| 17:26.26 | wols | kombi: seen many 486 SMP boxes? |
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| 17:26.39 | kombi | lol, I get it.. |
| 17:27.14 | abrotman | wols: you say that like they don't exist |
| 17:27.51 | wols | there are lots of abominations out in this world |
| 17:27.54 | helo | abrotman: you say that like you've owned one |
| 17:28.08 | abrotman | i did? |
| 17:28.09 | kombi | ahem, how again does one change kernels on d..? (blush) |
| 17:28.22 | abrotman | kombi: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 17:28.28 | kombi | thanks! |
| 17:28.49 | drwahl | damn you abrotman and your fast reading/writing skills |
| 17:28.55 | drwahl | i so had that one :) |
| 17:28.56 | diafic | liable, still doesn't work |
| 17:29.01 | abrotman | drwahl: damn you and your 'short bus special' skills :) |
| 17:29.17 | diafic | pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/three: unrecognized option '/dev/ttyUSB0' |
| 17:29.20 | drwahl | really, this should be a game. maybe dpkg could tally points for every user we please :) |
| 17:29.32 | kombi | drwahl: he has them in his history..;) |
| 17:29.48 | abrotman | !karma abrotman |
| 17:29.48 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 36 |
| 17:29.55 | liable | diafic: put your output and conf on a paster |
| 17:29.56 | abrotman | drwahl: good enough ? |
| 17:30.03 | diafic | which configs? |
| 17:30.05 | drwahl | i guess... but i'm not sure how it works.... |
| 17:30.09 | madclicker | hi, is there a channel that can help with analog modem and AT commands on freenode? |
| 17:30.14 | abrotman | !tell drwahl about karma |
| 17:30.25 | helo | #networking? |
| 17:30.29 | wols | madclicker: #hardware? |
| 17:30.30 | helo | no... |
| 17:30.38 | abrotman | google is probably far better |
| 17:31.07 | ZoOLda | hi |
| 17:31.11 | diafic | liable, /etc/ppp/peers/three and /etc/chatscripts/three_chatscript |
| 17:31.11 | liable | diafic: your wvdial.conf |
| 17:31.18 | diafic | that wasn't wvdial |
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| 17:31.25 | diafic | that was "pppd call three" |
| 17:31.50 | diafic | I'm getting tired of fiddling with this modem |
| 17:32.03 | liable | give up then. |
| 17:32.07 | diafic | Yeah :s |
| 17:32.09 | diafic | its getting that way |
| 17:32.21 | liable | send it to me and i'll give it a good home |
| 17:32.25 | diafic | no way :P |
| 17:33.16 | diafic | reboot again |
| 17:33.20 | liable | i promise to feed it lots of packets |
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| 17:36.18 | winther | hi |
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| 17:36.38 | winther | how do I use stdin in a shell script? |
| 17:36.53 | Corty | what do you want to do? |
| 17:36.55 | voraistos | hi. do you know how i can change console font ? the one used by the kernel to ouput stuff during boot for example (not in a terminal emulator, i know how to do that :P) |
| 17:37.10 | drwahl | sweet, i finally got phpsysinfo working! http://drwahl.ath.cx/sysinfo/ |
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| 17:37.29 | Corty | drwahl, sweet :) |
| 17:38.07 | winther | Corty: I want to modify a script that uses stdin. But I am unsure how to do it. http://pastebin.org/21544 |
| 17:38.13 | drwahl | not sure what i did. i installed php5 last night, couldnt get it working right, and when i woke up this morning, i just tried the page and it worked :) |
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| 17:38.18 | drwahl | gotta love that :) |
| 17:38.31 | Corty | drwahl, haha, kewl |
| 17:38.38 | Corty | winther, let me look |
| 17:38.40 | winther | Corty: mencoder gets it data from stdin, but I can't tell what stdin is |
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| 17:38.45 | rtr- | hi there |
| 17:38.48 | Justin | drwahl: possible that logrotate rotated the apache logs and reloaded apache in the process |
| 17:39.01 | kombi | winther: might want to check out #bash there |
| 17:39.13 | winther | kombi: thanks for the hin |
| 17:39.15 | winther | t |
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| 17:39.59 | Corty | winther, what is see is what you want to modify? |
| 17:40.18 | rtr- | when i do "./script.sh 123" i can access 123 from $1. When i pipe 123 to my script, ie "echo 123 |script.sh" how can i access the data from within the script? |
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| 17:40.28 | Justin | rtr-: read |
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| 17:41.25 | winther | Corty: eventually I want to modify the script to use ffmpeg instead of mencoder. But for starters I need to figure out how to use stdin in shellscript |
| 17:41.40 | Corty | rtr-, its a command, not a demand *g* |
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| 17:42.25 | Justin | winther: you don't have to do anything, just put the commands in the script |
| 17:42.38 | Corty | brb, phone |
| 17:42.55 | winther | Justin: there is no "symbol" for stdin in shellscript? |
| 17:43.03 | Corty | thats it |
| 17:43.26 | Justin | winther: stdin of the shell script will be passed to the stdin of whatever you run in it |
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| 17:43.30 | Justin | winther: you don't do anything |
| 17:43.38 | rtr- | thanks Justin, i give it a try |
| 17:43.55 | winther | Justin: ok, thank you. |
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| 17:46.04 | andpy | hello, I got a old dell computer, p3 1000mhz - 256sd ram, what install shall I get for it? will netinstall work or will the computer be to tard to identify it? :P |
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| 17:48.50 | andpy | nyone knows? |
| 17:49.04 | bonez44 | how would I move...all files and folders on one machine....to another, on same network...which scp command, to grab everything, includingn empty folders....the FROM data are on a machine that had run windows with ntfs...the TO machine is one of my linux boxen with a large hdd....it's about 17 gb of data...what flags would I include to grab it all from one machine to the other with scp? |
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| 17:49.42 | Justin | bonez44: use rsync, not scp |
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| 17:50.55 | bonez44 | rsync, eh? |
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| 17:52.10 | valdyn | andpy: netinstall should work fine, age is not an issue |
| 17:52.16 | andpy | valdyn: ok |
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| 17:53.50 | fat-lobyte | Hi, I'm trying to install the nvidia driver |
| 17:54.00 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 17:54.00 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 17:54.04 | fat-lobyte | but I cant load the module because of the module "nvidiafb" |
| 17:54.16 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: blacklist nvidiafb |
| 17:54.19 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 17:54.19 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 17:54.41 | fat-lobyte | dpkg: thanks a lot, but I know how to blacklist |
| 17:54.42 | dpkg | no worries, fat-lobyte |
| 17:54.46 | fat-lobyte | and I allready blacklisted it |
| 17:55.05 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: what'S the problem then? |
| 17:55.07 | liable | then whats the problem? |
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| 17:55.12 | fat-lobyte | Actually, I remember to have read the nvidia thing too |
| 17:55.22 | wols | fat-lobyte: in your initramfs too? |
| 17:55.30 | fat-lobyte | I am trying to install it with the script you can download from theyr site |
| 17:55.42 | fat-lobyte | no--- |
| 17:55.49 | fat-lobyte | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 17:55.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 17:56.58 | fat-lobyte | sorry didn't you have to rebould the initramfs |
| 17:57.12 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: sure you do |
| 17:57.13 | fat-lobyte | I'm trying a reboot now |
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| 17:57.18 | fat-lobyte | bye |
| 17:57.33 | fat-lobyte | I mean i didnt know about that |
| 17:57.47 | heiner | I have several versions of GCC installed in /usr/bin. How can I set the default version to gcc-4.3? |
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| 17:58.11 | bonez44 | Justin: I have three machines at home, all running XP..one machine I would like to back up to....the home net has cable net....with static ip on that end too....is there anything I could run on that XP machine, that would work with rsync? |
| 17:58.25 | valdyn | heiner: /usr/local/bin is usually used before /usr/bin, which means you can place your own symlink there |
| 17:59.03 | Justin | bonez44: yeah, ssh and rsync |
| 17:59.12 | heiner | valdyn: Is there a command that sets all the symlinks in /usr/bin (e.g. here from "gcc -> gcc-4.2" to "gcc ->gcc-4.3")? |
| 17:59.15 | bonez44 | oh, using cygwin or something? |
| 17:59.21 | valdyn | heiner: no |
| 17:59.21 | Justin | bonez44: yeah |
| 17:59.55 | valdyn | heiner: for good reasons, gcc is supposed to point to the compiler that your system was made with |
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| 18:00.14 | heiner | valdyn: I use a plain standard kernel |
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| 18:00.28 | valdyn | heiner: what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 18:00.50 | heiner | valdyn: my system doesn't need to know with which compiler it was compiled with |
| 18:01.01 | fat-lobyte | Hi, I did what dpkg said about blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:01.07 | fat-lobyte | but the module was still loaded |
| 18:01.15 | valdyn | heiner: how would you know that? |
| 18:01.35 | fat-lobyte | why does It load anyway? I disabled the kernel- framebuffer in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
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| 18:01.45 | heiner | valdyn: bright intellect, deep insights, high ignorance level ;-) |
| 18:02.03 | phorce1 | fat-lobyte: what's the output of 'lsmod|grep nvidia'? |
| 18:02.05 | riot | how do i run xephyr without wm-decorations? |
| 18:02.38 | valdyn | heiner: with that intellect you can deal with /usr/local |
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| 18:03.03 | heiner | valdyn: creating links in /usr/local pointing back into /usr/bin ? |
| 18:03.14 | valdyn | umm |
| 18:03.26 | valdyn | heiner: why do you even want to use a different than the default compiler? |
| 18:03.28 | fat-lobyte | do you have a pastebin? |
| 18:03.31 | fat-lobyte | !pastebin |
| 18:03.31 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 18:03.40 | valdyn | heiner: a link gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 |
| 18:03.51 | heiner | valdyn: I like the new warnings gcc-4.3 provides for my own C programs |
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| 18:04.13 | susanne-- | heiner: "YOU SUCK AT C AND SHOULD USE PASCAL INSTEAD!" Like that? |
| 18:04.14 | valdyn | heiner: and your own programs cannot be configured to use gcc-4.3 explicitely? |
| 18:04.29 | heiner | valdyn: they could, if I chose to do so |
| 18:04.41 | fat-lobyte | that's the output of lsmod | grep nvidia: http://rafb.net/p/Y8gmXb93.html |
| 18:04.59 | valdyn | heiner: be a good admin and change system config where user config is not enough, but in your case it is enough and easy |
| 18:05.01 | heiner | valdyn: but in that case my Makefile would not immediately run on the different systems I'm compiling the software on |
| 18:05.06 | wols | fat-lobyte: where did you blacklist it? |
| 18:05.18 | Corty | winther, did you solve it? |
| 18:05.26 | fat-lobyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.36 | drwahl | is it possible to add disks to an mdadm raid and have it inheret the disk without breaking the raid? |
| 18:05.36 | valdyn | heiner: your run this like: "CC=gcc-4.3 make" |
| 18:05.46 | valdyn | heiner: you dont have to change the Makefile |
| 18:05.56 | valdyn | heiner: ( but you can ) |
| 18:06.00 | heiner | valdyn: how do you know my software supports "configure"? |
| 18:06.12 | valdyn | heiner: what does this have to do with configure ? |
| 18:06.23 | vyrus001 | how do i run an apt-get upgrade and tell apt to hold nothing back? |
| 18:06.38 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.39 | heiner | valdyn: ok, I could run "make" that way |
| 18:06.41 | phorce1 | fat-lobyte: that should be blacklist.local shouldn't it? |
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| 18:06.58 | valdyn | heiner: you want to reference gcc via CC in Makefile |
| 18:06.59 | wols | !tell vyrus001 about held back |
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| 18:07.08 | heiner | valdyn: I do already |
| 18:07.09 | fat-lobyte | phorce1: why? I dont even have such a file |
| 18:07.17 | valdyn | heiner: nice, then this works. |
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| 18:07.27 | zorton | how do I change the timezone to GMT? |
| 18:07.47 | wols | !tzconfig |
| 18:07.47 | dpkg | setting time is, like, if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 18:08.02 | heiner | valdyn: it works, right. Well, I suppose I expected there to be a program like the one used to maintain the links in /etc/alternatives |
| 18:08.11 | zorton | wols: thanks |
| 18:08.18 | valdyn | heiner: yea, there isnt. |
| 18:08.44 | phorce1 | blacklist gets modified by install scripts and other things. blacklist.locl is yours to modify |
| 18:08.57 | valdyn | phorce1: not exactly |
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| 18:09.11 | valdyn | phorce1: blacklist gets modified by install scripts if you type Y when asked |
| 18:09.21 | phorce1 | fat-lobyte: you create it as the "blacklist" factoid states |
| 18:09.23 | valdyn | phorce1: _unless_ its still the default blacklist |
| 18:09.50 | valdyn | blacklist.local is *good* though |
| 18:10.18 | phorce1 | fat-lobyte: The line you added says "blacklist nvidiafb" (without the quotes)? |
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| 18:10.50 | phorce1 | valdyn: yeah, adding to blacklist SHOULD work. ---- until it doesn't |
| 18:11.00 | fat-lobyte | so why can't I prevent the module to load or why cant i disable the kernel-framebuffer? |
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| 18:11.08 | fat-lobyte | phorce1: yes, that is the line |
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| 18:11.14 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: why are you using a custom kernel? |
| 18:11.37 | fat-lobyte | valdyn: because it's easier to manage with all the debian- tools |
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| 18:11.47 | fat-lobyte | valdyn: and easy to install |
| 18:11.49 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: then manage your compiled in nvidiafb |
| 18:11.56 | Cromag | 19:06:28 <+Ange|Cromag|U> der er en igang. |
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| 18:12.02 | Cromag | doh, sorry.. |
| 18:12.35 | fat-lobyte | valdyn: what? |
| 18:12.51 | phorce1 | fat-lobyte: then it definitely shuldn't load. Try moving that line way up in the file -- or adding it blacklist.local. I got REAL familiar with blacklisting when trying to fix a system that had 2 SCSI cards and a SATA card installed. Boot conflicts from he** between bios and kernel. |
| 18:13.01 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: "grep -i fb_nvidia /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
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| 18:13.47 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: uh or more specific "grep -i fb_nvidia= /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 18:14.21 | fat-lobyte | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/2K7sfX64.html |
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| 18:15.09 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: i think it has to be in /etc/modules to bew loaded, but i didnt follow your prior discussions here so that might be covered already |
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| 18:15.51 | phorce1 | compiled as a module so it should be possible to blacklist it |
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| 18:16.13 | fat-lobyte | valdyn: no it's not in that file. The file is empty |
| 18:16.43 | fat-lobyte | valdyn: nearly empty I mean, only a comment and one module named "loop" |
| 18:16.49 | drwahl | any ideas why a box with load averages of: 0.00 0.00 0.00 would report 99% ram usage? |
| 18:16.50 | valdyn | fat-lobyte: ok |
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| 18:17.13 | valdyn | drwahl: because thats the usual ram usage on any linux system |
| 18:17.19 | adinc | hello which package contains the php imap functions? is it php-net-imap or is it php5-imap? |
| 18:17.20 | wols | drwahl: all boxes. they always report 99% ram usage |
| 18:17.21 | valdyn | drwahl: that or around that |
| 18:17.26 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 18:17.26 | wols | !tell drwahl about free ram |
| 18:17.27 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 18:17.34 | wols | !tell adinc about search |
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| 18:17.47 | drwahl | ah, thanks |
| 18:18.01 | adinc | wols i know the search, but wich one delivers the functions |
| 18:18.10 | wols | adinc: search and you WILL know |
| 18:18.28 | adinc | ok wols imagin i didn't ask you |
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| 18:21.10 | adinc | wols: http://agaricdesign.com/installing-imap-functions-for-php-on-debian-an-agaric-saga |
| 18:21.30 | enouf | drwahl: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management |
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| 18:22.23 | drwahl | what is the difference between a 686 kernel and a k7 kernel? |
| 18:22.28 | valdyn | adinc: why are you mixing unstable into your packages? |
| 18:22.36 | drwahl | anything worth hassling the switch from k7 to 686? |
| 18:22.41 | wols | adinc: that blog entry is a POS |
| 18:22.44 | enouf | drwahl: once you master that gentoo link, here's the real scoop http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
| 18:22.48 | wols | adinc: fyi: dpkg -L <package> |
| 18:22.51 | valdyn | adinc: combining etch with unstable is sick |
| 18:23.02 | adinc | valdyn: i didin't mix till yet |
| 18:23.07 | enouf | !k7 deprecated |
| 18:23.10 | wols | adinc: and when you really installed unstable apckages into a stable install: congrats, you broke your debian |
| 18:23.13 | enouf | er |
| 18:23.14 | wols | !prize adinc |
| 18:23.42 | wols | drwahl: minimal, not really worth it |
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| 18:24.13 | drwahl | ok. i got a k7 kernel from a pxeboot/netinstall and wasnt sure if it was going to be worth the effort to change |
| 18:24.27 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 18:24.27 | dpkg | k7 dropped is, like, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 18:24.30 | peleg | I have just copied a file over another file (using cp); is there any way to undo it? |
| 18:24.36 | wols | etch still has k7 kernels. from lenny onwards they don't exist anymre |
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| 18:24.45 | wols | peleg: no |
| 18:24.49 | adinc | Version: 5.2.0-8+etch10 this is the version of php5-imap, is this unstable? no |
| 18:24.53 | peleg | wols: thanks... |
| 18:25.06 | chops | !info php5-imap unstable |
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| 18:25.06 | wols | adinc: then use the imap extension and be happy |
| 18:25.07 | adinc | this is the one i've installed |
| 18:25.15 | dpkg | php5-imap: (IMAP module for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 18:25.36 | adinc | wols: why are you that aggressiv |
| 18:25.40 | adinc | there is no need for it |
| 18:25.47 | enouf | wols: thanks for the reminder |
| 18:26.04 | wols | enouf: reminder of what? |
| 18:26.12 | enouf | k7 in etch |
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| 18:27.15 | DawnLight | hello. i want to pass a parameter to a kernel module. if it were loaded from /etc/modules then i would add the paremeter there but it isn't. it is loaded automatically. help? |
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| 18:27.43 | andpy | Just installed debian, how do I get the latest things? |
| 18:27.48 | andpy | distupgrade or whats it called |
| 18:27.51 | enouf | see /etc/modules.conf ? or /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 18:28.06 | valdyn | DawnLight: create a random file in /etc/modprobe.d/ containing the module name and the parameters |
| 18:28.24 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 18:28.37 | thelostbutler | andpy: do you want the latest security fixes or the latest bleeding edge ? |
| 18:28.40 | valdyn | DawnLight: oh, nooes, its options at the start of that line |
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| 18:28.54 | valdyn | DawnLight: like "options parport_pc irq=7 dma=auto io=0x378" |
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| 18:29.06 | andpy | thelostbutler: I want all packges, like visudo and all ;P |
| 18:29.14 | adinc | what is that difficult with php5-imap all i wan't is the latest stable release |
| 18:29.17 | DawnLight | aight |
| 18:29.55 | wols | adinc: then get it? |
| 18:29.59 | thelostbutler | andpy: your question is not clear, do you want latest versions of the software or do you want to install additional packages that are not currently on your system |
| 18:30.27 | wols | !tell andpy about sources.list |
| 18:30.27 | andpy | thelostbutler: the other option you said |
| 18:30.42 | wols | andpy: then install whatever you want and strikes your fancy |
| 18:30.56 | andpy | i try to install visudo, it says could mnot found package visudo |
| 18:31.02 | thelostbutler | andpy: if you additional packages that are not currently installed, then aptitude install <package-name> packages.debian.org where you can search |
| 18:31.05 | wols | adinc: please don't PM people unsaked. /ignored |
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| 18:31.35 | ks | can I use /etc/environment to add things to PATH ? |
| 18:32.07 | wols | ks: probably not. does it need to be systemwide? |
| 18:32.31 | thelostbutler | !tell andpy about search |
| 18:32.32 | ks | wols yep |
| 18:32.55 | ks | wols maybe there are other ways to do it |
| 18:33.09 | ks | just need it to survive reboot |
| 18:33.21 | wols | ks: grep $PATH /etc/* |less |
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| 18:33.27 | wols | ks: should show you how |
| 18:33.36 | enouf | DawnLight: man modprobe.conf has some details and info |
| 18:33.50 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 18:33.53 | ks | wols thanks |
| 18:33.55 | wols | ks: if it'S for a user only: ~/.profile |
| 18:34.00 | valdyn | !wikifaq ks DotFiles |
| 18:34.00 | dpkg | ks: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 18:34.10 | et | ks: in general, you can't prevent a user from setting its own path though |
| 18:34.25 | ks | cool thank you guys |
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| 18:34.32 | wols | enouf: sure. recompile his bash :P |
| 18:34.38 | wols | et: ^^ |
| 18:35.26 | ks | this is actually for the app that would run as root user |
| 18:36.01 | wols | when and how is the app started? |
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| 18:36.32 | ks | wols this is hadoop, which has start-all.sh stop-all.sh scripts |
| 18:36.52 | ks | i'm thinking about proper way to add it to /etc/init.d |
| 18:37.07 | wols | then do it |
| 18:37.23 | ks | hadoop, in turn, starts 3 apps |
| 18:38.06 | ks | so it's non-trivial |
| 18:38.20 | liable | sleep or more beer? that is the question. |
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| 18:38.38 | ks | liable more coffee |
| 18:39.00 | enouf | hrm, grep PATH /etc/{login.defs,pam.d/login} |
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| 18:39.42 | enouf | drink + eat + sleep == beer gut \o/ |
| 18:39.46 | liable | sleep wins |
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| 18:42.28 | susanne-- | bah. my husband has a beer gut and hasn't had a beer in 14 years. |
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| 18:42.43 | SerajewelKS | what tool can i use to create a hard link by inode number? |
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| 18:43.00 | liable | susanne--: you have been a bad wife if thats the case. |
| 18:43.04 | SerajewelKS | a file got deleted, but i can see it in lsof and want to relink it to the filesystem |
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| 18:44.39 | thelostbutler | SerajewelKS: http://www.linux.com/articles/58142 didnt work for ya ? |
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| 18:46.18 | ajavid | hi |
| 18:46.37 | ajavid | I looked around on the tar manpage, but i can't find it, but my boss insists that tar supports rewinding a fucking tape |
| 18:46.42 | ajavid | i told him its mt |
| 18:46.46 | ajavid | but he said go read the manpage |
| 18:46.50 | ajavid | this is dumb. |
| 18:46.57 | ajavid | unless I'm wrong |
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| 18:48.32 | SerajewelKS | thelostbutler: i don't want to copy the data in the file, i want the exact same inode back on the filesystem |
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| 18:49.20 | thelostbutler | SerajewelKS: oh, can't help. |
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| 18:49.35 | adinc | SerajewelKS: what filesystem are you using? |
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| 18:51.11 | SerajewelKS | adinc: ext3 |
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| 18:51.28 | adinc | SerajewelKS: you will need to know the inode number |
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| 18:51.44 | adinc | fsdb will be your friend |
| 18:52.01 | loslalfos | ajavid, IIRC it matters which device file you access when dealing with tapes. maybe that's what he/she means... |
| 18:52.39 | peleg | Do you know about a GUI for grep ? |
| 18:52.57 | adinc | SerajewelKS: i've once see a documentation for it, i will send you the link when i find it |
| 18:53.27 | _AusTiN_ | hi all! say me plz, if i need to block a range of IPs - 77.109.xxx.xxx - what will be a subnet mask for it? |
| 18:53.40 | wols | 255.255.0.0 |
| 18:53.41 | _AusTiN_ | iptables -A INPUT -s 77.109.0.0/? -j DROP |
| 18:53.53 | valdyn | _AusTiN_: 16 |
| 18:54.08 | _AusTiN_ | -A INPUT -s 77.109.0.0/16 -j DROP ? |
| 18:54.50 | valdyn | i think iptables knows both, 255.255.0.0 means just the same as 16 |
| 18:55.02 | _AusTiN_ | DROP 0 -- 77-109-13-131.dynamic.peoplenet.ua anywhere |
| 18:55.03 | _AusTiN_ | DROP 0 -- 77.109.0.0/16 anywhere |
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| 18:55.21 | _AusTiN_ | first rule - i wrote -s 77.109.13.131 -j DROP |
| 18:55.33 | _AusTiN_ | second - -s 77.109.0.0/16 |
| 18:55.38 | _AusTiN_ | i think it will have effect |
| 18:55.52 | valdyn | _AusTiN_: i dont know though if iptables even supports ip ranges |
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| 18:56.32 | drwahl | brr.... server room is so- cold.... |
| 18:56.44 | Seb | /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/javac -version -> Eclipse Java Compiler v_774_R33x, 3.3.1, Copyright IBM Corp 2000, 2007. All rights reserved. |
| 18:56.47 | Seb | eh ? |
| 18:56.53 | Seb | what am i missing here ? |
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| 18:57.46 | helo | "fucking ups" is more like it... |
| 18:58.00 | _AusTiN_ | i hope that iptables supports a range of IPs ) |
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| 18:58.13 | adinc | SerajewelKS: can't find that documentation but here is a success story maybe it helps you http://www.sunmanagers.org/archives/1992/0209.html |
| 18:58.26 | valdyn | Seb: what is the problem? |
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| 19:01.48 | Seb | valdyn: i'd expect GCJ to be the compiler, not ecg :) |
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| 19:02.15 | valdyn | Seb: "man update-alternatives" |
| 19:03.07 | Seb | nah, the link itself is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj...../bin/javac, so it's bypassing alternatives |
| 19:03.27 | valdyn | Seb: no |
| 19:03.54 | valdyn | Seb: ls -l /usr/bin/javac |
| 19:04.10 | valdyn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 17. Jun 2007 /usr/bin/javac -> /etc/alternatives/javac |
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| 19:05.27 | Seb | valdyn: /etc/alternatives/javac -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/javac |
| 19:05.34 | Seb | valdyn: /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/javac -> /usr/bin/ecj |
| 19:05.45 | Seb | valdyn: now are you meaning to tell me this does not bypass alternatives ? |
| 19:06.30 | valdyn | yea, weird |
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| 19:09.48 | helo | in a cafe, is there anything that can be done with access to file:/// if all logins are disabled? |
| 19:10.30 | dondelelcaro | helo: how do you plan to access a file:/// if all logins are disabled? |
| 19:11.26 | wols | dondelelcaro: via inet exloder |
| 19:11.35 | wols | which runs in the inet cafe |
| 19:12.51 | helo | the guys that set this up may have not cared, or more likely did not know know about typing file://path into a browser... |
| 19:13.16 | wols | helo: how is this debian related? or under freenoed AUP? |
| 19:13.20 | Supaplex | DYM a microsoft product? |
| 19:13.35 | helo | but i can't think of any harm that could come by someone having read only access to the fs of a box that doesn't allow logins... |
| 19:13.37 | dondelelcaro | helo: if it's not Debian, we've nothing to do with it. Try #windows on some other network? |
| 19:13.39 | Supaplex | if so, EDUNCARE |
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| 19:13.52 | loslalfos | ajavid, did that help at all? |
| 19:13.56 | helo | woah, hang on, this is a machine i am going to be deploying... i'm not messing with some shop owner's machine... |
| 19:14.14 | wols | helo: and it will run what OS? |
| 19:14.19 | wols | and what browser? |
| 19:14.20 | dondelelcaro | helo: in Debian, there's no way you can access the filesystem unlness you've got a login or have physical access |
| 19:14.40 | dondelelcaro | (which means that there's no way you can run a browser either!) |
| 19:14.43 | wols | dondelelcaro: the browser runs under some username no?# |
| 19:14.57 | dondelelcaro | wols: so it's got a valid login |
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| 19:15.07 | valdyn | its some kiosk system, he just doesnt log in actively |
| 19:15.52 | helo | i was asking more of a general question that i thought would apply to no particular distribution... it is linux but i didn't install it, and i'm not sure which distribution it runs |
| 19:16.04 | wols | helo: ##linux |
| 19:16.07 | helo | yeah... |
| 19:16.13 | dondelelcaro | helo: file:///etc/debian_version will tell you whether it matters to us or not. |
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| 19:16.26 | wols | dondelelcaro: doesn't ubuntu have that file too? :) |
| 19:16.32 | wols | and various debian based distros |
| 19:17.31 | craigevil | knoppix and kanotix definitely have that |
| 19:17.49 | craigevil | probably most other debian based ones |
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| 19:18.01 | helo | dondelelcaro: somehow i get the feeling that it doesn't really matter to you either way ;) |
| 19:18.06 | dondelelcaro | wols: yes, but the contents of it typically are useful. |
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| 19:20.46 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, if file:/// or http:/// works, the typical method is to figure out if you can cause mime:types to start something which has the ability to give you some kind of shell access. |
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| 19:21.35 | dondelelcaro | (if you can get "less" to start, congratulations) |
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| 19:23.55 | wols | aawelcome to "donelecaros's hacking school for new apprentice hackers" ;) |
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| 19:25.13 | dondelelcaro | wols: I just hate non-functional kiosks. |
| 19:26.25 | wols | thy are non functional for a reason |
| 19:26.40 | wols | how well would you think they function if anyone could get shell? |
| 19:27.20 | dondelelcaro | wols: better than they do originally? |
| 19:27.33 | dondelelcaro | wols: I mean, what am I suppoosed to do in FF? ;-) |
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| 19:27.48 | wols | dondelelcaro: pay money and visit amazon.com of course. duh! |
| 19:28.26 | wols | if you are enterprising you could visit cnn.com and be alabled a liberal |
| 19:28.36 | wols | better play it safe and visit foxnews.com only |
| 19:30.06 | adinc | wols: i don't know what your intention of beeing here is, either helping people or getting help, but the hole day i see you amusing yourself about others, maybe you should think twice what you are doing here |
| 19:31.22 | wols | !tell adinc about ops |
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| 19:31.29 | wols | note how dondelelcaro is one of "them" :) |
| 19:34.12 | dondelelcaro | whether I am or not, to the extent possible everyone should be polite, even to people who are off topic and in the wrong channel. |
| 19:34.29 | adinc | exact |
| 19:34.59 | dondelelcaro | it's easy enough to /ignore -replies too if they don't get the message quickly. |
| 19:34.59 | adinc | as human is human, and it is even in the interest of debian that newcommers get a change |
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| 19:37.32 | valdyn | adinc: this channels "tone" is pretty technical, no one tried to be hostile towards you, people are just abrasive as always |
| 19:37.41 | helo | valdyn: shut up |
| 19:37.49 | valdyn | helo: go away |
| 19:38.24 | helo | sorry, just being abrasive... |
| 19:38.35 | valdyn | maybe i should have said "short" |
| 19:38.39 | adinc | valdyn: there is no need talk about this further but i didn't feel myself hostile agains at all |
| 19:38.49 | valdyn | adinc: alright |
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| 19:38.55 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: curt, yes... |
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| 19:39.49 | valdyn | neat, i didnt know that word |
| 19:39.49 | Danker | Hi |
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| 19:40.12 | Danker | When talking about filesystems, 3MB file is considered to small or large? |
| 19:40.21 | Danker | to be* |
| 19:40.30 | valdyn | Danker: neiter nor |
| 19:40.42 | valdyn | Danker: but this depends on more conext than just "filesystems" |
| 19:40.50 | Danker | ext3 |
| 19:40.59 | valdyn | Danker: small often means few or just one block |
| 19:41.14 | valdyn | Danker: and large > 4G |
| 19:41.34 | valdyn | Danker: or sometimes >2G |
| 19:41.42 | Danker | Thank you |
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| 19:49.18 | drwahl | if i have an nvidia card in 1 pcie slot and an ati in the other, is it possible to have both non-free drivers working for both of them to allow for dri on 4 monitors? |
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| 19:49.54 | wols | Adrian: yes. dunno if 4 monitors are possible |
| 19:49.59 | AwesomeGuy | if I do apt-get install xchat it sais 'package not found' |
| 19:50.06 | drwahl | wols: i assume that is meant for me :) |
| 19:50.08 | wols | but via the Bus ID setting in xorg.conf it shouldn't a big deal |
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| 19:50.20 | valdyn | AwesomeGuy: apt-cache search xchat |
| 19:50.21 | wols | yes. remnant alt+a a |
| 19:50.40 | wols | drwahl: so use lspci to check their Bus IDs |
| 19:50.48 | AwesomeGuy | same with gcc |
| 19:50.50 | drwahl | i know 4 monitors is possible, that is the easy part for me, but the multiple drivers seems more difficult (in theory). i will have to buy an new card and give the BUS ID thing a shot |
| 19:50.59 | tarzeau | drwahl: yes i have that |
| 19:51.20 | AwesomeGuy | the apt-cache thing didn't even do anything |
| 19:51.23 | wols | tarzeau: and proper bus id is all it takes? |
| 19:51.27 | tarzeau | wols: yep |
| 19:51.28 | cloakable_ | drwahl: No more than two :P |
| 19:51.39 | AwesomeGuy | >:( wtf is going on |
| 19:51.39 | wols | !tell AwesomeGuy about sources.list |
| 19:51.53 | drwahl | cloakable: huh? |
| 19:51.53 | tarzeau | wols, drwahl: www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/atwork.jpg |
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| 19:52.31 | drwahl | tarzeau: that is pretty much what i am looking for, but with 4 monitors instead of 3 |
| 19:52.50 | drwahl | and also have dri working (for opengl stuff) |
| 19:52.53 | tarzeau | drwahl: two dual nvidias? |
| 19:52.58 | drwahl | ya |
| 19:53.00 | cloakable | drwahl: I had two monitors going on, with an ATi card and a nVidia card |
| 19:53.06 | tarzeau | drwahl: of course to do important research with www.sauerbraten.org |
| 19:53.11 | AwesomeGuy | where do i get a new sources.lst |
| 19:53.13 | cloakable | No dri though |
| 19:53.17 | drwahl | tarzeau: exactly :) |
| 19:53.17 | AwesomeGuy | * .list |
| 19:53.21 | tarzeau | AwesomeGuy: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 19:53.28 | wols | Adrian: rad the factoid |
| 19:53.42 | drwahl | cloakable: i currently have 2 monitors with dri, but they are on the same card |
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| 19:54.07 | AwesomeGuy | it sais ssh and telnet arent services |
| 19:54.10 | AwesomeGuy | ... |
| 19:54.35 | AwesomeGuy | how do i update everything on my laptop |
| 19:54.49 | cloakable | drwahl: I currently have two monitors with dri too, but two cards |
| 19:54.54 | AwesomeGuy | because the network thing fell out in the middle of installing it and it didn't get alot of stuff |
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| 19:55.09 | serzan | I just fixed a bug in kde-guidance but the bug itself is actually in one of its dependencies (python-kde3) |
| 19:55.12 | wols | AwesomeGuy: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:55.12 | eifzon | What do I need to add to the sources.list to get the newest irssi version (etch)? |
| 19:55.16 | tarzeau | AwesomeGuy: that's not as bad as... |
| 19:55.23 | wols | eifzon: irssi is in main |
| 19:55.31 | serzan | shall I submit the patch in python-kde3? |
| 19:55.33 | eifzon | wols: its just 0.8.10, I want 0.8.12 |
| 19:55.36 | tarzeau | ...the telephone rings when you are making love |
| 19:55.41 | wols | !info irssi |
| 19:55.43 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.12-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1046 kB, Installed size: 2720 kB |
| 19:55.52 | eifzon | hmm |
| 19:55.54 | eifzon | I got etch |
| 19:55.54 | drwahl | cloakable: so it sounds like it should work then. now i just have to save enough money to buy a second nvidia geforce 7900 gs :) |
| 19:55.54 | wols | !tell eifzon about simple sid backport |
| 19:55.54 | tarzeau | ...you smell the pizza burn in the oven when you're really hungry |
| 19:56.00 | petemc | tarzeau: why do you think its a good idea to remove aptitude? |
| 19:56.06 | wols | eifzon: do not even THINK about installing tjhat sid binary |
| 19:56.16 | eifzon | oké |
| 19:56.27 | tarzeau | petemc: because apt-get is far better? |
| 19:56.39 | Eulex | eifzon & wols, backports.org has a backport |
| 19:56.44 | petemc | tarzeau: better how? |
| 19:56.46 | tarzeau | petemc: aptitude has some bugs and is not fully backwards compatible, needs way more resources |
| 19:56.58 | tarzeau | petemc: faster, works on low-mem systems |
| 19:57.05 | wols | eifzon: the simply sid baclport factoid mentions backports.org first |
| 19:57.06 | eifzon | Eulex: I have followed the guide, did add the line to sources.list and added a key and did apt-get update, what more do I have to do =( |
| 19:57.12 | tarzeau | petemc: nicer easter egg |
| 19:57.16 | wols | eifzon: read the isntructions |
| 19:57.24 | AwesomeGuy | http://pastebin.org/21571 |
| 19:57.25 | eifzon | did follow em |
| 19:57.27 | Eulex | eifzon, patsebin what apt-cache policy irssi outputs |
| 19:57.32 | Eulex | *pastebin |
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| 19:57.52 | eifzon | Eulex: eh? |
| 19:58.03 | AwesomeGuy | wtf apt-get wont work |
| 19:58.03 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 19:58.03 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 19:58.19 | eifzon | Eulex: what to paste? |
| 19:58.26 | wols | eifzon: the output of it |
| 19:58.30 | Eulex | the output of the command apt-cache policy irssi |
| 19:58.39 | tarzeau | apt-get wank wank |
| 19:58.44 | AwesomeGuy | how do i get apt-get working\ |
| 19:58.47 | Eulex | !tell AwesomeGuy about doesn't work |
| 19:59.11 | eifzon | here you got: |
| 19:59.12 | eifzon | http://pastebin.ca/921053 |
| 19:59.16 | craigevil | apt-get moo |
| 19:59.22 | petemc | tarzeau: i have to say i think most of your arguments are bogus - aptitude is superior in many ways |
| 19:59.31 | tarzeau | if i was an awesome guy i'd get laid by blonde 90-60-90s instead of hanging around here |
| 19:59.40 | AwesomeGuy | if I do apt-get for anything it sais package not found. |
| 19:59.44 | tarzeau | petemc: whatever, i don't really care, i just do it that way |
| 19:59.45 | drwahl | lol, i like the "doesnt work" factoid. that one is fun :) |
| 19:59.50 | petemc | right ho |
| 19:59.59 | click170 | AwesomeGuy: Try apt-get update |
| 20:00.06 | tarzeau | petemc: ltns how are you? |
| 20:00.16 | Eulex | eifzon, you didn't setup the pinning for the irrsi package correctly |
| 20:00.30 | eifzon | Eulex: I did as it said, what did I miss then? |
| 20:00.40 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, you've only got one source, and that is for the packages contained on the first cd |
| 20:00.43 | petemc | tarzeau: im not too bad, thinking its time to start drinking |
| 20:00.52 | AwesomeGuy | I still cant get any packages |
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| 20:01.04 | Eulex | eifzon, pastebin your /etc/apt/preferences, please? |
| 20:01.09 | tarzeau | petemc: as in the time of day for today, or in your life from now on? |
| 20:01.13 | wols | AwesomeGuy: do what we told you, pastebin your sources.list |
| 20:01.19 | petemc | heh, time of day |
| 20:01.22 | eifzon | Eulex: don't got one of that :P |
| 20:01.29 | petemc | im not thinking of drinking as a career just yet |
| 20:01.30 | Eulex | wols, didn't he already do that? |
| 20:01.32 | AwesomeGuy | I DID ALREADY |
| 20:01.35 | wols | eifzon: cause you didn't read backports.org instructions |
| 20:01.37 | Eulex | eifzon, then you didn't follow the instructions? |
| 20:01.42 | tarzeau | petemc: i've seen people drink, on their time of day. |
| 20:01.52 | petemc | yz, its quite common |
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| 20:01.57 | Eulex | or wait, there's an alternative way |
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| 20:01.59 | tarzeau | petemc: i don't like human beings unable to control parts of their body (by their age, or drunkenness) |
| 20:02.03 | wols | !tell AwesomeGuy about sources.list |
| 20:02.03 | Eulex | but pinning is most convenient |
| 20:02.04 | adinc | tarzeau: your desktop looks great |
| 20:02.09 | wols | add what's descibred there |
| 20:02.10 | eifzon | Eulex: ok+é |
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| 20:02.18 | AwesomeGuy | i pasted it already in pastebin |
| 20:02.19 | tarzeau | adinc: it's wmaker/GNUstep :) |
| 20:02.21 | eifzon | Eulex: but what adresses are needed in the sources.list? :o) |
| 20:02.34 | adinc | tarzeau: yes i see it ;) gordum arkadas |
| 20:02.36 | AwesomeGuy | stop making that worthless bot send me things |
| 20:02.39 | petemc | tarzeau: different strokes for different folks |
| 20:02.40 | Eulex | eifzon, http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions answers all your questions. |
| 20:02.40 | eifzon | ye I got it to work |
| 20:02.43 | eifzon | I knew what was wrong! |
| 20:02.47 | goldfish | does anyone know why john the ripper is a package in sid, lenny and sarge, but not in etch ?!? |
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| 20:02.49 | tarzeau | adinc: ana, naber? #debian.tr ye gelsene |
| 20:02.56 | petemc | i dont intend to drink myself into a stupor.. |
| 20:02.59 | abrotman | goldfish: probably had RC bugs |
| 20:03.01 | eifzon | Eulex: It was the "deb http://ftp.port80.se/debian/ etch main non-free contrib" line in the sources.list |
| 20:03.04 | eifzon | I did comment em |
| 20:03.06 | abrotman | petemc: into a gutter? |
| 20:03.11 | petemc | perhaps |
| 20:03.15 | tarzeau | petemc: what do you like to drink most? |
| 20:03.19 | goldfish | abrotman: RC ? |
| 20:03.20 | petemc | guinness |
| 20:03.23 | abrotman | !rc |
| 20:03.23 | dpkg | i heard rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
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| 20:03.38 | tarzeau | isn't rc also remote control? |
| 20:03.44 | goldfish | hmm thanks for your reply abrotman interesting |
| 20:04.03 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, (1) did you apt-get update? (2) try searching for something, and then try installing it. remember, you do _only_ have access to those packages available from the _first_ cd right now. do you want/need access to more? |
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| 20:04.06 | tarzeau | petemc: the last thing i discovered was aptitude can't handle wildcards on removals. that sucks |
| 20:04.08 | Eulex | eifzon, emh, why? |
| 20:04.19 | abrotman | goldfish: RC bugs are bugs that render a package fairly broken in most situations .. |
| 20:04.20 | eifzon | Eulex: then I got the latest irssi version ;o |
| 20:04.31 | abrotman | goldfish: if you google a bit .. you might be able to find the reason for removal |
| 20:04.32 | AwesomeGuy | yes i need to be able to get more packages |
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| 20:04.57 | petemc | i think the choice to use an exclamation mark abundantly in aptitude syntax was questionable |
| 20:05.02 | Eulex | eifzon, if you did an apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade with that configuration you're very likely to break your system, just so you're aware |
| 20:05.11 | petemc | but functionally it seems to work really well for me |
| 20:05.27 | eifzon | Eulex: ok |
| 20:05.31 | eifzon | shall I still use em? |
| 20:05.35 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, add a "deb <url-to-mirror> etch main" line in your sources.list |
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| 20:05.48 | AwesomeGuy | ...what mirror |
| 20:05.52 | Eulex | eifzon, yes. they contain the _base_ debian software; you need them when installing most stuff |
| 20:05.54 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 20:05.54 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 20:05.54 | wols | AwesomeGuy: and remove the deb cdrom line |
| 20:06.08 | nakee | should bug 446628 be forwarded to xcb? |
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| 20:06.24 | AwesomeGuy | what mirror |
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| 20:06.33 | abrotman | nakee: ask the maintainer? |
| 20:06.43 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, any debian mirror, but you should choose one that is near to you |
| 20:06.54 | AwesomeGuy | ... |
| 20:07.03 | AwesomeGuy | where are the debian mirrors |
| 20:07.09 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, dpkg gave you an url to a list. |
| 20:07.18 | piju | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:07.28 | piju | AwesomeGuy; go there and get ur nearest mirror |
| 20:08.08 | abrotman | goldfish: http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/john/news/20061104T233920Z.html .. just a guess |
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| 20:08.26 | Eulex | eifzon, and the backports instructions contains information on how to install software from the backports repos. actually, it contains information on how to do it with two different methods; either -t etch-backports or pinning. |
| 20:08.35 | eifzon | oké |
| 20:08.36 | eifzon | btw |
| 20:08.43 | nakee | abrotman: maintainer of which package? |
| 20:08.50 | AwesomeGuy | E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) |
| 20:08.58 | eifzon | shall it be non-free contrib after the deb http://ftp.port80.se/debian etch? |
| 20:09.00 | drwahl | any news on the apt torrent project? |
| 20:09.03 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, how does the line look? |
| 20:09.19 | Eulex | eifzon, if you would like software from the non-free and contrib sections: yes. |
| 20:09.36 | Eulex | !tell eifzon about non-free |
| 20:09.39 | Eulex | !tell eifzon about contrib |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | nakee: the one with the bug |
| 20:09.58 | simonrvn | no, the one that's totally ok :P |
| 20:10.14 | simonrvn | j/k of course |
| 20:10.21 | Eulex | shouldn't like all X packages have the X strike force as maintainer? |
| 20:10.44 | simonrvn | only the ones that have xorg as source package, no? |
| 20:10.54 | simonrvn | or whichever ones they handle |
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| 20:11.37 | AwesomeGuy | deb <cc>.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 20:11.42 | tarzeau | Eulex: the xorg software packages yes |
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| 20:11.48 | AwesomeGuy | -.- |
| 20:11.51 | tarzeau | Eulex: but probably not the other x software |
| 20:12.00 | Eulex | ok |
| 20:12.11 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, you forgot http:// or ftp:// |
| 20:12.27 | AwesomeGuy | then why did it tell me to put in <cc> |
| 20:12.33 | AwesomeGuy | dpkg is a liar. |
| 20:12.33 | Eulex | and probably ftp. |
| 20:12.35 | prolific^ | Hey guys, why would I want to set up my own DNS servers for my domain name? |
| 20:12.46 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, <cc> == country code |
| 20:12.54 | protoloco | hello i would like to find in some directories the changes or the addes file from some date to now... how can i find them ? |
| 20:12.59 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, no, it just requires the user to think a little for itself ;P |
| 20:13.09 | AwesomeGuy | still days it;s malformed |
| 20:13.23 | AwesomeGuy | * sais |
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| 20:14.36 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, did you add http:// or ftp://, replace <cc> with the country code of your country and put in ftp. in-between http:// or ftp:// and the country code? |
| 20:14.58 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, also, see http://www.debian.org/mirror/list for valid mirrors |
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| 20:17.33 | AwesomeGuy | can someone please just paste their sources.list into pastebin for me to useb ecause this is getting retarded |
| 20:18.12 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, you do not want my swedish sources :P |
| 20:18.24 | drwahl | AwesomeGuy: i'll get you mine. one sec. |
| 20:19.03 | Eulex | but an example of a _correct_ line is: |
| 20:19.05 | Eulex | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 20:19.17 | AwesomeGuy | not free? |
| 20:19.28 | \amethyst | AwesomeGuy: that's 'main' |
| 20:19.29 | drwahl | http://pastebin.ca/921077 there is some extra stuff inthere, but nothing that will hurt |
| 20:19.53 | radius | i like it when it hurts |
| 20:19.54 | radius | ;p |
| 20:20.01 | drwahl | oh, and its lenny, btw |
| 20:20.06 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, contrib and non-free are optional, add them if you want them. |
| 20:20.11 | drwahl | if that part isnt obvious |
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| 20:23.45 | Eulex | "Läs:4 http://linux.dell.com cross-distro/dell-firmware system-bios-xps-m1330 0.a07-1 [815kB]" <--- dell is providing apt repos for bios updates nowadays. well, for ubuntu, but they work wonderfully so far on debian :D |
| 20:24.00 | AEX | !regedit |
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| 20:25.08 | chops | Eulex: BIOS updates are something you _definitely_ wouldn't want going wonky because Ubuntu provides a different version of udev than Debian that doesn't work with the BIOS update tool... |
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| 20:25.41 | Eulex | chops, oh? |
| 20:25.49 | AwesomeGuy | that sources.list didn't work http://pastebin.org/21577 |
| 20:26.08 | chops | Eulex: Well, you know... because bricking your computer is bad, and stuff... :-) |
| 20:26.08 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: your sources.list has NOTHING to do with that error |
| 20:26.13 | chops | Eulex: Not that I think that's particularly likely |
| 20:26.30 | chops | Eulex: I'm just saying that I do all my BIOS updates via freedos with the dos BIOS update packages :-) |
| 20:26.36 | AwesomeGuy | THEN HOW DO I FIX IT |
| 20:26.38 | wols | AwesomeGuy: you have more than one apt program open |
| 20:26.45 | wols | AwesomeGuy: stop yelling! |
| 20:26.54 | wols | moron |
| 20:27.00 | abrotman | took you long enough |
| 20:27.00 | Eulex | chops, right. you mean that the firmware-tools they provide don't work with the udev from debian? |
| 20:27.03 | AwesomeGuy | I must have gotten a bad cd image |
| 20:27.04 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: read the error .. |
| 20:27.13 | AwesomeGuy | go to hell wols |
| 20:27.20 | craigevil | AwesomeGuy: do you have synaptic, aptitude or any other package manager open? |
| 20:27.20 | chops | Eulex: Not at all. I have every reason to believe that it does. I'm just saying that if it did, and something went wrong, it would be pretty bad. |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | you know .. put the words together to form a useful phrase :) |
| 20:27.24 | wols | you've gotten a bad brain |
| 20:27.35 | AwesomeGuy | I'm ignoreing you wols |
| 20:27.46 | Eulex | chops, yup. |
| 20:28.12 | \amethyst | AwesomeGuy: find the other copy of dpkg, aptitude, synaptic, etc. that's running, and stop it |
| 20:28.18 | chops | Eulex: And, of course, BIOS update tools are known for being very, very paranoid (with good reason) |
| 20:28.28 | Eulex | chops, hehe :) |
| 20:28.45 | abrotman | wols: just for your benefit .. <AwesomeGuy> I'm ignoreing you wols |
| 20:29.12 | wols | abrotman: he shouldn't make so tantalizing promises |
| 20:30.04 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: lsof | grep dpkg/lock ... get anything ? |
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| 20:30.49 | AEX | !xwine |
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| 20:31.25 | Eulex | !tell AEX about msg the bot |
| 20:31.54 | wols | Eulex: he's been told again and again. he doesn't learn |
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| 20:34.31 | AwesomeGuy | why did that menu.list have stuff about menu.peerl or something |
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| 20:35.28 | DaveLib | hello i am here to ask advice about so set up a new partition with a new installation of lenny |
| 20:36.10 | DaveLib | presently i have an 80 gog hard frive and my main linux is lenny running on a 20 gig partition |
| 20:36.18 | DaveLib | gog = gig |
| 20:36.39 | Eulex | DaveLib, why do you need two lennies? :) |
| 20:36.44 | DaveLib | i have 2 other partitions with 2 other linux distros on them |
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| 20:36.51 | wols | Eulex: you can never have enough debian :) |
| 20:36.56 | Eulex | true :) |
| 20:37.11 | DaveLib | well i want to delte the other 2 patrtitions and make a new big [partition most of thew 60 gig for lenny |
| 20:37.26 | wols | !gparted |
| 20:37.26 | dpkg | [gparted] the GNOME partition editor, which uses libparted (ask me about <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install "ntfsprogs" to enable NTFS support and "dosfstools" for FAT16/32 support. consider a <debian-live> image + installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the gparted live cd |
| 20:37.27 | DaveLib | the 60 gig or 50 or so will be my new mani one |
| 20:37.52 | DaveLib | so i am keeonignnth e 20 gi for safety as i set up the 50 gig |
| 20:38.12 | DaveLib | anyway i was thinking og\f useing cdebootstrap |
| 20:38.31 | DaveLib | to make the new 50 gig or so installtion |
| 20:38.43 | Eulex | DaveLib, I think wols is trying to say that you can copy over and resize the partition using gparted |
| 20:38.44 | DaveLib | i have a live cd of grmml |
| 20:38.51 | DaveLib | oh ok |
| 20:39.06 | DaveLib | i didn;t know if that would be safe |
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| 20:39.35 | Eulex | yeah, you should backup important stuff before you attempt it |
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| 20:39.39 | drwahl | is it possible to add disks to an mdadm raid and have it inheret the disk without breaking the raid? |
| 20:39.55 | DaveLib | can i run gparted from the lenny in the 20 gig partition? |
| 20:40.10 | DaveLib | ie can i do stuff while the 20 gig is mounted? |
| 20:40.16 | Eulex | no |
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| 20:40.22 | Eulex | get the gparted live cd |
| 20:40.26 | DaveLib | ok ya ok |
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| 20:40.51 | DaveLib | and gparted documentaiton will tell me everything to do? |
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| 20:41.30 | Eulex | I've found the gui to be quite intuitive |
| 20:41.32 | drwahl | DaveLib: it is fairly simple and straight forward, but the documentation should fill in the gaps |
| 20:41.47 | Tramp | DaveLib: I don't understand, why gparted would be easier than just deleting the 2 unwanted partitions and create a new one - unless the one you want to keep is "in the middle" |
| 20:41.47 | DaveLib | thanks everyone i will try it as you say |
| 20:42.08 | Eulex | I haven't actually moved a partition from one disk to another using it, but I assume it is possible |
| 20:42.34 | Eulex | Tramp, well, that way he can keep his currently setup debian |
| 20:42.35 | DaveLib | all my parititons are on the same physical ahrd drive i only have one |
| 20:42.58 | DaveLib | i am not clear about working with aprtition table when things from it are mounted |
| 20:43.07 | Tramp | Eulex: well, by deleting the 2 unwanted partitions he can keep the one he wants to keep as well |
| 20:43.15 | Tramp | or what am I missing here? |
| 20:43.29 | drwahl | does anyone have any insight on my mdadm query? |
| 20:43.32 | Eulex | DaveLib, you _shouldn't_ do that |
| 20:43.33 | DaveLib | yes trmp that was my pklan deelte the 2 garbage [artions and keep the 20 gig lenny |
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| 20:43.59 | DaveLib | eulux yes i thought i better not muck around with the partiution table when somwething is mounted |
| 20:43.59 | Tramp | DaveLib: is the lenny you want to keep in the first or third partition? |
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| 20:44.14 | DaveLib | in the 3rd |
| 20:44.15 | drwahl | DaveLib: do you have a fat pinkies fingers? because that is the second time i have seen you hit "[" with/for "p" |
| 20:44.15 | Eulex | DaveLib, gparted can do that, as well as resizing the lenny partition. all in a nice gui. |
| 20:44.24 | DaveLib | i added the lennty i want to kep last |
| 20:44.32 | DaveLib | it is /dev/hda7 |
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| 20:44.58 | DaveLib | ahh maybe i dont even need a nee partition just rezie the old |
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| 20:45.12 | DaveLib | basiclaly i want to run lenny wiht moere than 20 gig |
| 20:45.37 | cr3 | I'm using cdbs to package a project and the setup.py is creating a symlink which is not handled properly by cdbs: the symlink points to a directory under the source tree :( |
| 20:45.37 | DaveLib | but the lenny partiton is late in the hard drive and the feree space is ahead of it |
| 20:45.57 | DaveLib | thats why i thought i have to start over with a enw partiton |
| 20:46.07 | DaveLib | or can i resize gorwouing forward? |
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| 20:46.13 | DaveLib | growing |
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| 20:46.30 | Eulex | DaveLib, you can grow and shrink and move in any way you want. |
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| 20:46.38 | eifzon | How do I set the right locale? |
| 20:46.39 | wols | DaveLib: should be able to if you rmount your lenny ro first |
| 20:46.50 | DaveLib | ok so maybe just delete the other 2 and grow the 20 gig |
| 20:46.56 | Eulex | eifzon, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:47.38 | DaveLib | way back i used to hear that resizing partitoons was risky sometimes messed up and corruoted data |
| 20:48.09 | Eulex | it is, you should backup important stuff before attempting it |
| 20:48.12 | eifzon | ty Eulex |
| 20:48.33 | DaveLib | well maybe safer then is just do a new partition like i started saying |
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| 20:48.51 | DaveLib | the old 20 gig can sit unchanged and be its own backup sort of |
| 20:49.17 | Fougner | hello. pthreads, where can I get it? =) |
| 20:49.21 | eifzon | What kernel shall I run if I got debain etch? I got 2.6.18-6-686 now |
| 20:49.25 | DaveLib | and if something messes up i can just reboot back to 20 gig |
| 20:49.31 | Eulex | Fougner, it's included with your system |
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| 20:49.40 | Fougner | Eulex: apparently not |
| 20:49.51 | Fougner | Eulex: or, how can I "reinstall" it? |
| 20:49.52 | abrotman | eifzon: tha'ts the kernel in etch |
| 20:49.59 | eifzon | abrotman: so it's the right one? |
| 20:50.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:50.05 | Eulex | Fougner, according to what? they' |
| 20:50.08 | eifzon | abrotman: n1 |
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| 20:50.12 | abrotman | e04! |
| 20:50.29 | Fougner | well, may sound stupid , but a configure can't find it |
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| 20:50.57 | Fougner | Eulex: well, may sound stupid , but a configure can't find it |
| 20:51.07 | yigal | hello in general should I experience more compilation errors using make -j2 rather than make? |
| 20:51.07 | eifzon | how do i do a dist-upgrade? :| |
| 20:51.17 | yigal | eifzon: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:51.18 | Eulex | Fougner, pthread.h is included in libc6-dev. _pthreads_ however, are included with libc6 (which your system won't work without) |
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| 20:51.35 | Fougner | Eulex: maybe it will ;) |
| 20:51.54 | DaveLib | also another questiion i have been so far using aptitude instead of apt-get because earlier i read that aotitude handles removing danglinf g\ dependencies when oytherrt packages are e\removed better than apt-get |
| 20:51.54 | Eulex | Fougner, what it is looking is for development headers for pthreads. |
| 20:52.01 | eifzon | yigal: ty |
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| 20:52.13 | DaveLib | now recentyly i read that apt-get recently copied over the at\ptitude method for that |
| 20:52.14 | Eulex | Fougner, do you have build-essential installed? because that one installs libc6-dev among other things |
| 20:52.30 | DaveLib | so are they basiclalt the same now? |
| 20:52.30 | Eulex | DaveLib, it does, in etch at least |
| 20:52.36 | DaveLib | i use lenny |
| 20:52.46 | Fougner | Eulex: yes, should be installed |
| 20:52.51 | Eulex | I believe apt-get in lenny has support for that now, yes |
| 20:53.00 | DaveLib | i like syntaptic more than the ncurses aptitude interface |
| 20:53.03 | Eulex | Fougner, do you have /usr/include/pthread.h? |
| 20:53.14 | yigal | I am getting the error "g++: Internal error: Bus error (program cc1plus)" with -j2 on anything other than with no optimization |
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| 20:53.35 | Fougner | Eulex: yep |
| 20:53.58 | Eulex | DaveLib, you'll only like it more than the textbased interfaces until you're going to correct some more serious error using it. then it will fail you, and you will go back to the text based ones. just my experience. |
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| 20:54.11 | simonrvn | yigal: ram problem? compiler bug? |
| 20:54.24 | Eulex | Fougner, read the config.log of the program. it will tell you why it doesn't believe pthreads are available. |
| 20:54.27 | DaveLib | well if i just make a partition copy of my old lenny though i will continue with aptitude i guess |
| 20:54.46 | Fougner | Eulex: shall do sir! ;) thanks.. |
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| 20:55.23 | Eulex | Fougner, I'm no sir, but yw :P |
| 20:55.26 | DaveLib | i am running npow with 256 meg ram i was thinking of affing 2 more gig ram lenny can handle that ok? |
| 20:55.35 | yigal | simonrvn: probably a gcc bug? |
| 20:55.36 | Fougner | Eulex: madame then? haha, kidding |
| 20:55.48 | yigal | simonrvn: is there a way to debug, that you know of? |
| 20:55.59 | Eulex | Fougner, not without surgery ;) |
| 20:56.23 | Eulex | DaveLib, yes, just make sure you're not using a -486 kernel, those will only handle 1gb |
| 20:56.27 | Fougner | Eulex: gawk ? |
| 20:56.27 | simonrvn | yigal: tbh it sounds like a compiler bug. but check your ram first (memtest) |
| 20:56.41 | yigal | ok, thanks |
| 20:56.46 | Eulex | DaveLib, that is, get a -686 kernel if you're using a -486 kernel |
| 20:57.00 | abrotman | yigal: i'm going with RAM problem |
| 20:57.09 | DaveLib | eulex this is a pentium i just did a simple lennny install whatever the degfault is |
| 20:57.11 | abrotman | yigal: i'm going with RAM problem |
| 20:57.17 | abrotman | erm .. wrong window |
| 20:57.29 | Eulex | DaveLib, the default is a -486 kernel |
| 20:57.30 | DaveLib | ahh i can jsut upgrade the kernel like tyou say with aptitude? |
| 20:57.51 | Eulex | DaveLib, you don't even need to upgrade it, you can just install it alongside your 486 kernel |
| 20:57.57 | yigal | ok, well at least it's narrowed down to one or the other :) |
| 20:58.03 | DaveLib | ok thanks |
| 20:58.06 | simonrvn | ram probs usually manifest as compiler segfaults, but not always |
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| 20:58.09 | fiendishfish | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 20:58.10 | fiendishfish | :) |
| 20:58.14 | abrotman | yigal: does it happen no matter what you compile ? |
| 20:58.18 | DaveLib | tright and then grub will let me bopt into the correct kernel |
| 20:58.26 | Eulex | DaveLib, always keep at least one backup kernel in case one messes up :) (personal experience) |
| 20:58.34 | abrotman | yigal: and/or does it happen with -j3 for example ? |
| 20:58.39 | DaveLib | oh yes :) i never thropw out anything |
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| 20:58.50 | DaveLib | i have a whole bunch of old kernels |
| 20:59.03 | DaveLib | thats why i need more than 20 gig :P |
| 20:59.08 | Eulex | hehe |
| 20:59.28 | drwahl | I never through anything out either. that is why i need 1TB :) |
| 20:59.30 | Fougner | Eulex: maybe I'm missing a fortran-compiler or lib? |
| 20:59.46 | Eulex | Fougner, perhaps, I have no idea what you are compiling |
| 20:59.49 | DaveLib | i spent a long time with stable and only after i year adwventured out to testing where i am now |
| 20:59.51 | Fougner | verlihub xD |
| 20:59.55 | Fougner | Eulex: |
| 21:00.01 | DaveLib | i never troie unstable yet |
| 21:00.05 | DaveLib | tried |
| 21:00.19 | yigal | abrotman: I don't have 3 cores? so that isn't going to work is it? |
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| 21:00.40 | Eulex | Fougner, it's in debian, but not in stable. so if you're on etch you can do a simple sid backport. /msg dpkg simple sid backport. |
| 21:00.56 | yigal | abrotman: no, no, I made a computation program and it alone is giving me this error |
| 21:00.58 | Fougner | Eulex: ... o.O ? |
| 21:01.05 | DaveLib | thanks for your help everyone :) |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | yigal: sure it'll work .. you can do -j624536 if you want |
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| 21:01.35 | abrotman | yigal: that's the number of jobs it starts .. man gcc .. (warning .. do NOT use "-j" without a number" |
| 21:01.48 | yigal | abrotman: ok, will try then |
| 21:01.57 | Eulex | Fougner, so you don't have to compile it manually, it will compile it for you and make a package and all :) |
| 21:02.11 | yigal | abrotman: it works perfectly without -j2, on all optimizations |
| 21:02.13 | maligor | abrotman, aww. now I feel tempted to try -j without a number |
| 21:02.31 | abrotman | maligor: you can .. just make sure you've saved all work .. and you don't mind killing your box with the power switch |
| 21:02.41 | maligor | heh, really? |
| 21:02.43 | Fougner | Eulex: honestly, I'm quite new to all with compiling involved, and it sounds like I'm going to check a backport ? |
| 21:02.45 | fiendishfish | Is there anyway of playing a wmv in firefox? |
| 21:02.51 | yigal | abrotman: no its acting the same way, seemingly with anything > 2 |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 21:02.52 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | yigal: >= 2 you mean ? |
| 21:03.07 | fiendishfish | !debian-multimedia |
| 21:03.07 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 21:03.18 | abrotman | !tell fiendishfish about w32codecs |
| 21:03.22 | Eulex | Fougner, rather, you'll backport it yourself. but in an automated way, which is simple |
| 21:03.23 | yigal | abrotman: yes |
| 21:03.26 | Eulex | !tell Fougner about simple sid backport |
| 21:03.27 | yigal | sorry |
| 21:03.29 | abrotman | yigal: i'd check RAM |
| 21:03.38 | Fougner | Eulex: i did check with tha bot =) |
| 21:03.59 | o2T7 | How can i see the device file for my sound card (the one that is using the system now) ? |
| 21:04.11 | Fougner | Eulex: but it doesn't make me understand.. Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. ??? |
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| 21:04.38 | Eulex | Fougner, duplicate an existing deb-src line, replace etch/stable/whatever with sid |
| 21:04.45 | chops | Fougner: Add a line to sources.list the same as your main etch line, except change "deb" to "deb-src" and "etch" to "sid" |
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| 21:07.06 | phorce1 | OK, nvidia drivers on lenny is a pain in the tookus unles you want to compile a custom kernel. It can be done but it was pi**ing me off for a minute there |
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| 21:07.35 | yigal | abrotman: simonrvn wrote something about memtest, do I install memtest86 ? |
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| 21:07.47 | simonrvn | usual way |
| 21:07.49 | abrotman | you can |
| 21:07.56 | abrotman | or get the bootable ISO |
| 21:08.03 | Fougner | Eulex: ehrm, i've got no etch-line |
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| 21:08.10 | jsemmanu | i installed debian for the first time now. grub doesn't work properly. |
| 21:08.28 | yigal | abrotman simonrvn: so reboot, ok |
| 21:08.30 | jsemmanu | if i use ubuntu live cd and use rescue mode, it boots through the hdd grub so grub is installed |
| 21:08.55 | jsemmanu | can someone help? |
| 21:08.59 | yigal | be back in 30 minutes, hopefully then |
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| 21:09.30 | o2T7 | I can see "sound" into /proc/devices, but how could i know which is my sound device file? |
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| 21:10.21 | abrotman | uh |
| 21:10.29 | abrotman | yigal: let it run for days</shout> |
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| 21:10.48 | ks | what do I read to setup network to get ip assigned by dhcp ? |
| 21:11.02 | o2T7 | ks: man interfaces |
| 21:11.08 | Supaplex | how do I verify (for purposes of a shell script), that a given ssh host is, or is not a known host, without user interaction? |
| 21:11.58 | ks | o2T7 is there any howto, since i'm not that geeky ? |
| 21:12.04 | o2T7 | Supaplex: do you mean if its key is known or if its hostname is known? |
| 21:12.18 | beardy | Supaplex: grep? |
| 21:12.22 | beardy | Supaplex: and sed |
| 21:12.24 | Fougner | ks: google? =) |
| 21:12.39 | Supaplex | beardy: bzzzzt :) that's too old school for today's ssh. |
| 21:12.48 | beardy | Supaplex: ? |
| 21:12.55 | ks | Fougner where do I get google ? :) |
| 21:13.21 | Fougner | ks: I hope you're kidding me, but anyhow. www.google.se |
| 21:13.30 | Fougner | ks: google.com |
| 21:13.31 | Fougner | ;) |
| 21:13.36 | ks | yeah that was a joke |
| 21:13.43 | Fougner | ta-ta |
| 21:13.54 | o2T7 | ks: `man interfaces|grep dhcp$` |
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| 21:14.13 | Supaplex | o2T7: both actually. I'm trying to sense when user interaction would be required, so it can be handled differently |
| 21:14.27 | ks | o2T7 yeah reading it, very useful and clear so far, thanks |
| 21:14.43 | Fougner | ks: is it? :o |
| 21:15.03 | ks | Fougner yep |
| 21:15.09 | o2T7 | Supaplex: But i believe that user's interaction will be necessary whenever the kwy is not known |
| 21:15.20 | Supaplex | beardy: as I recall, the knownhosts file is not plain old text now (to avoid enumerating hosts by malware) |
| 21:15.38 | \amethyst | Supaplex: ssh-keygen -F hostname maybe? |
| 21:15.50 | Supaplex | that's fine, and I want to know that. humm maybe. |
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| 21:16.28 | ben_goodger | hello |
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| 21:16.42 | ben_goodger | how does one stop debian from starting X/GDM etc when booting? |
| 21:16.46 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 21:16.46 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 21:17.02 | phorce1 | Looks like HW accel is working OK. now to grab the svn of mythtv and start building. Maybe I can finally get the DVB-S card to work |
| 21:17.19 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: you know that there *are* mythtv packages available? |
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| 21:17.30 | Av | hey folks, i'm trying to install a package with apt-get, but it's failing with "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10". It looks like /usr/share/debconf/frontend is the script that exiting 10, but I don't know why it would do that. anyone know? |
| 21:17.32 | ross` | is there a way to do a sudo login with 1 line |
| 21:17.33 | ben_goodger | dondelelcaro: nobody uses them ^^ |
| 21:17.49 | dondelelcaro | ben_goodger: uses what? |
| 21:17.51 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: debian-multimedia has them, and I use them, and they work. |
| 21:17.54 | \amethyst | Av: because something in /var/lib/dpkg/packagename.postinst is failing |
| 21:18.04 | \amethyst | Av: what package and what version? |
| 21:18.08 | ben_goodger | it appears nobody uses mythtv releases, let alone the debs |
| 21:18.15 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: poking at a couple of sites that the authors frequent it's currently best to build the latest when playing with satellite rather that terrestrial reception. |
| 21:18.30 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: it actually doesn't matter. |
| 21:18.36 | mutante | hi, would you know a replacement repository for http://edevelop.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/ which appears to be down, another debian repository that has e17 for amd64 |
| 21:18.39 | Fougner | ross`: try this. sudo -p password |
| 21:18.39 | ross` | find a way to permenantly fix the file permissions |
| 21:18.44 | ross` | ok |
| 21:18.45 | ross` | thanks |
| 21:18.47 | Av | \amethyst: dtc. it's not in the deb repository, got it from gplhost.com |
| 21:18.52 | ross` | nvm on that last line |
| 21:19.05 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: it works just fine with satellites and terrestrial stuff; the only odd bit are the drivers for your tv-in card. |
| 21:19.07 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: I was trying with a package before upgrading to lenny and myth refused to scan any channels in although all of the dvb-tools would scan fine. |
| 21:19.14 | Fougner | ross`: come again? nvm? :P |
| 21:19.32 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: you don't scan channels with satelites, you just point it at listings data |
| 21:19.49 | \amethyst | Av: then maybe add set -x at the top of that postinst file and try dpkg --configure -a . The set -x will let you know exactly what command failed |
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| 21:20.11 | ross` | thanks again |
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| 21:20.57 | Av | \amethyst: ++ exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend ./dtc.postinst |
| 21:21.13 | \amethyst | Av: that was in dtc.postinst ? |
| 21:21.16 | Av | that's the last line. So I tried to run that command with perl -d, and it doesn't give any obvious errors |
| 21:21.21 | dondelelcaro | at least, I've never scanned channels. 'Course, I actually have the mythbox talking to the satelite box directly to change channels, so it's a bit odd |
| 21:21.23 | ross` | hmm |
| 21:21.24 | Av | \amethyst: yeah |
| 21:21.29 | ross` | sudo -p password isnt loging in |
| 21:21.30 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: It has to scan the transponders to find out what's available on each. I managed to get it to load 1 or 2 channels in its previous incarnation but it wouldn't actually tune to them |
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| 21:22.07 | Av | \amethyst: http://avleen.pastebin.com/d18a097b4 |
| 21:22.10 | Av | that's the whole output |
| 21:22.11 | \amethyst | Av: it's re-running itself under a frontend for debconf questions. I guess the stderr is getting captured after that |
| 21:22.18 | Av | ahh |
| 21:22.27 | Av | yeah because it's not askign me any questions hehe |
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| 21:22.41 | IrIT | I'm having some troubles installing Debian. The only message i get is that an error has occoured. Can I see a log file from the installer somehoe? |
| 21:22.45 | \amethyst | Av: oh, you're running it by hand |
| 21:22.49 | abrotman | IrIT: alt-f2 |
| 21:22.54 | Av | \amethyst: trying to now |
| 21:22.59 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: huh. could be; anyway, if the packages work, that's what I'd suggest. If not, then I'd suggest using them as the basis to build from svn. |
| 21:23.09 | Av | because apt wasn't give me anythign useful |
| 21:23.11 | \amethyst | Av: try doing dpkg --configure -a and see if it gives you more errors then |
| 21:23.19 | Av | I'll try running through apy\amethyst: because it doesn't g\amethyst: because it doesn't g\amethyst: because it doesn't gok :) |
| 21:23.21 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: I could get a channel lock fine using szap but not with myth. And vdr has no direct output (xine, etc.) plugins prior to lenny so I couldn't play with it much. |
| 21:23.22 | Av | iios |
| 21:23.24 | Av | oops |
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| 21:24.41 | ross` | mmm |
| 21:25.00 | ross` | does anyone else know how to login with sudo with 1 line |
| 21:25.00 | \amethyst | Av: if you put the set +x in the script itself, it will be active even when the script calls itself under the frontend |
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| 21:26.17 | Av | \amethyst: http://avleen.pastebin.com/d158ad4c |
| 21:26.32 | Av | that's the output from running under dpkg |
| 21:26.35 | P-K | how can I do an apt-get upgrade without it doing a kernel-image upgrade? |
| 21:26.56 | Av | oh |
| 21:27.00 | Av | that makes more sense now |
| 21:27.01 | \amethyst | Av: there you go: dtc/conf_recipient_delim doesn't exist |
| 21:27.04 | Av | hehe ty |
| 21:27.08 | phorce1 | Just getting nvidia installed required ... uhhh ... lying to make-kpkg. In lenny the current linux-source package version does not match the current linux-image version. 2.6.22-10 vs. 2.6.22-3. |
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| 21:27.46 | ks | o2T7 if i have this line in /etc/netwrok/interfaces file |
| 21:27.48 | ks | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 21:28.04 | ks | does that mean ip address is assigned by dhcp ? |
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| 21:28.39 | ks | also how do I obtain new address without rebooting ? |
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| 21:29.26 | ks | i have two debian4 instances, running under qemu, but looks like they do not see each other |
| 21:29.40 | Av | \amethyst: so I'm not really sure what that means. I don't think dtc/conf_recipient_delim is a file |
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| 21:29.53 | Av | do you think it's supposed to be some kind of config preference? |
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| 21:30.55 | \amethyst | Av: yes, cosidering that it does db_get dtc/conf_recipient_delim a few lines up |
| 21:30.55 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: appears the packages are being built from svn anyway so I may try that again. Current version is 0.20.2.svn20080126-0.0 --- only a month old |
| 21:30.59 | Supaplex | \amethyst: that's a good start. that solves part of the problem I'm after. (jots down some notes) |
| 21:31.27 | PriitM_ | I got trouble with WiFi connection. Network monitor applet shows connection as idle, iwconfig gives: Link Quality=0/100 other stuff normal, ifconfig ra1 down/up and /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't help. System log gives such line: Feb 27 23:25:48 priit kernel: [ 27.336000] ra1: no IPv6 routers present |
| 21:31.28 | \amethyst | Av: it's a debconf setting that is supposed to be set but apparently isn't |
| 21:32.48 | \amethyst | Av: it might be worth checking /var/lib/dpkg/info/dtc.{config,templates} |
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| 21:34.56 | Av | \amethyst: ok i'll check those :) |
| 21:36.18 | tarzeau | !seen penix |
| 21:36.19 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 11h 39m 46s ago, saying: 'tralala: yeah, must've been confusing for all those other people talking at the time'. |
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| 21:37.02 | net | Hi, how can I use a linux box as a router ? |
| 21:37.24 | net | is it enough to use "route" command? |
| 21:37.27 | wols | net: install ipmasq and dnsmasq if it's to be a NAT router |
| 21:37.29 | IrIT | abrotman: And what then? |
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| 21:38.28 | DawnLight | anyone knows where the zope access file is? |
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| 21:38.58 | net | wols: I do not want make masq. Only router. |
| 21:39.04 | DawnLight | i want to use zpasswd.py to change the emergency user's password but i can't find the "access" file |
| 21:39.16 | abrotman | IrIT: uh .. refresh my feeble memory :) |
| 21:39.28 | wols | !tell net about zebra |
| 21:39.40 | IrIT | heh |
| 21:39.51 | IrIT | To see log file from debian installer, I pressed alt+F2 |
| 21:39.57 | abrotman | no log? |
| 21:40.05 | abrotman | you can't see what's there? maybe it was alt-f3 |
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| 21:40.30 | Av | \amethyst: weird, i can't find conf_recipient_delim mentioned in either of those two files, or in any dtc* files |
| 21:40.32 | IrIT | no, just a new console |
| 21:40.41 | Av | so i'm not sure where it's trying to get it from |
| 21:40.59 | IrIT | Ah, found it :) |
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| 21:42.47 | \amethyst | Av: maybe it's obsolete... does the postinst script actually use the result of that db_get? |
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| 21:44.33 | Av | not afaict |
| 21:44.42 | \amethyst | Av: maybe get rid of it then :) |
| 21:44.45 | anxt | i was given a link to a page that mapped "lspci -n" output to linux drivers, does anyone know what the link may be? |
| 21:44.50 | \amethyst | !hcl |
| 21:44.51 | dpkg | from memory, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 21:44.58 | \amethyst | anxt: one of those |
| 21:44.59 | Av | i may just be able to hack around it |
| 21:45.00 | Av | lol |
| 21:45.03 | Av | yeah |
| 21:45.19 | abrotman | anxt: it's the kmuto site |
| 21:45.19 | anxt | \amethyst, well thanks lots |
| 21:45.35 | \amethyst | Av: and report the problem to whoever made the package |
| 21:45.40 | marchewa | I have a problem with routing the internet connection by a computer running Debian Etch 4.0r3 :P |
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| 21:45.57 | \amethyst | Av: wait, you said this isn't the dtc that's in sid? |
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| 21:47.12 | Av | \amethyst: correct, i downloaded from the gplhost.com repository |
| 21:47.18 | \amethyst | Av: what version is the package? |
| 21:47.34 | Av | i should proabably be ii dtc 0.25.3-2 web control panel for admin and accounting h |
| 21:47.34 | Av | ii dtc-common 0.28.2-1 web control panel for admin and accounting h |
| 21:47.42 | Av | oops ignore those first few words there |
| 21:47.49 | \amethyst | Av: err |
| 21:47.57 | \amethyst | Av: that looks like the same version number as in sid |
| 21:48.03 | Av | weird |
| 21:48.12 | \amethyst | Av: however, the sid version does have a template for that config setting |
| 21:48.35 | Av | maybe i'll just deet ethis and not be silly, and use the sid version |
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| 21:48.39 | Av | *delete |
| 21:48.47 | marchewa | I tried to ping a google.pl server using its IP address (66.24.9.93.104) but the client computers don't see the server |
| 21:49.07 | marchewa | (66.249.93.104)* |
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| 21:49.25 | mateusz | Hi |
| 21:49.27 | marchewa | Any clues ? |
| 21:49.29 | mateusz | Does Debian installer support lvm2 ? |
| 21:49.30 | marchewa | Hi |
| 21:49.32 | \amethyst | marchewa: you're wanting to share your connection? |
| 21:49.37 | chops | mateusz: Yes |
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| 21:49.44 | mateusz | chops: 4.0 netinst ? |
| 21:49.52 | marchewa | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:49.58 | \amethyst | marchewa: do you have the ipmasq package installed? |
| 21:49.58 | chops | mateusz: Yes |
| 21:50.19 | mateusz | chops: If I have Intel Core Duo 2 8300 then I have to use AMD64 iso right? |
| 21:50.20 | marchewa | \amethyst: no, I tried with iptables |
| 21:50.38 | \amethyst | marchewa: so there's probably a problem with your iptables rules |
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| 21:50.51 | \amethyst | marchewa: the ipmasq package sets up those rules for you |
| 21:51.00 | chops | mateusz: No, you can (and probably should unless you have special needs) just use i386 |
| 21:51.01 | marchewa | I have in chain postrouting: MASQUERADE 0 -- localnet anywhere |
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| 21:51.20 | marchewa | \amethyst: thx for info, I'll try it then |
| 21:51.41 | mateusz | chops: I have 64bit architecture |
| 21:51.58 | chops | mateusz: ... and you can (and probably should unless you have special needs) just use i386 :-) |
| 21:52.05 | marchewa | \amethyst: Is it something like Firestarter on Ubuntu ? |
| 21:52.18 | mateusz | chops: why not ia64 ? |
| 21:52.34 | chops | mateusz: ia64 is different from your architecture (it's Itanium) |
| 21:52.38 | mateusz | chops: why I should use i386 ? |
| 21:52.47 | mateusz | chops: i386 is not 64bit |
| 21:52.58 | Eulex | mateusz, ia64 will not run on your system |
| 21:53.00 | chops | mateusz: amd64 is your architecture, but you'll have trouble with some non-free software (notably the flash and java plugins are problematic to install on a 64-bit install) |
| 21:53.04 | Eulex | mateusz, i386 and amd64 will |
| 21:53.28 | mateusz | chops: are there ia32libs in debian for backward compatiblity ? |
| 21:53.40 | chops | mateusz: There are, but they're not sufficient to get those plugins to work |
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| 21:54.01 | mateusz | chops: howabout firefox32 ? |
| 21:54.05 | penguin | Is there any risk in running apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:54.11 | chops | penguin: Yes |
| 21:54.15 | mateusz | penguin: yes |
| 21:54.25 | chops | penguin: You should look at the list of operations it wants to do and determine whether you want them to happen before you say ok |
| 21:54.32 | chops | mateusz: I don't know about firefox32, sorry |
| 21:55.16 | Eulex | mateusz, you'll have to build it yourself, or extract the i386 packages. |
| 21:55.19 | \amethyst | marchewa: there are 32-bit libs, but not 32-bit firefox |
| 21:55.20 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:55.24 | \amethyst | mateusz: there are 32-bit libs, but not 32-bit firefox |
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| 21:55.45 | \amethyst | mateusz: however, there is nspluginwrapper for using 32-bit plugins with 64-bit firefox |
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| 21:56.10 | mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.12 | penguin | Yesterday X kept crashing until I used an earlier kernel. Today it started fine. Is this a known issue? |
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| 21:56.26 | \amethyst | mateusz: I think people have gotten flash to work with that, but I don't know about Java |
| 21:56.26 | penguin | I am using testing |
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| 21:57.04 | \amethyst | mateusz: (and you'd need a 32-bit Java---not sure if that's available) |
| 21:57.12 | \amethyst | penguin: what video driver? |
| 21:57.43 | Eulex | penguin, that's very vague |
| 21:59.28 | wols | amee2k: java is. 64bit isn't avail |
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| 22:00.21 | chops | mateusz: As you can guess from the complexity of this conversation... a 64-bit system will make your life more complex if you use those plugins, so unless there's some upside... you might want to stick with the 32-bit system. |
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| 22:02.00 | drwahl | is it possible to add disks to an mdadm raid and have it inheret the disk without breaking the raid? |
| 22:02.25 | chops | drwahl: What level? |
| 22:02.46 | drwahl | crap... uh... lvl 1 (mirror) but i would also like to change the level as well |
| 22:02.53 | drwahl | when/if i add a disk |
| 22:03.11 | chops | drwahl: If you're changing the level, you may well have to remake the array (though I don't know that for sure) |
| 22:03.20 | drwahl | hmm... |
| 22:03.39 | drwahl | not sure where to put my 1 TB of data while i move to a raid 5.... |
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| 22:04.28 | chops | drwahl: USB enclosures aren't that expensive... how much downtime can you afford? |
| 22:04.37 | chops | Wait, how many volumes? |
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| 22:04.48 | drwahl | downtime is not big deal. its a personal fileserver |
| 22:04.48 | chops | If it's 2 RAID1 (adding 1 more) you can do it easily |
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| 22:06.10 | drwahl | how do i check the current setup? |
| 22:06.21 | chops | drwahl: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 22:06.21 | drwahl | mdadm --msic --detail md0? |
| 22:06.36 | drwahl | raid0 |
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| 22:06.51 | chops | drwahl: Oh, RAID0? 2 volumes and adding a third? |
| 22:06.59 | hatter | what is udp on port 80 for ? |
| 22:07.15 | cjones | i am looking for a program that lets me scratch mp3's it is in ubuntu studio |
| 22:07.16 | drwahl | chops: ya, but probably switching to raid 5 at that point |
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| 22:08.56 | tweaked | anyone know where i can get installation packages through apt for mod-security on etch? |
| 22:09.33 | Av | \amethyst: i got it all working :) a little hackery. but nothing unreasonable once I understood what dpkg was doing (<-- freebsd admin, not debian admin hehe). Thank you! |
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| 22:09.58 | jelly-home | tweaked: the author doesn't want it to be distributed packaged |
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| 22:10.18 | tweaked | jelly-home: so only way is to install from source? |
| 22:10.23 | \amethyst | Av: cool beans |
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| 22:11.25 | tweaked | no .deb package on the website |
| 22:11.25 | jelly-home | tweaked: the only legal way in US afaik. someone might have cerated packages and put them online, might be legal to use them depending on where you live |
| 22:12.05 | tweaked | ok |
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| 22:12.18 | tweaked | do you think its worth using |
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| 22:12.27 | tweaked | running a bunch of php websites |
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| 22:13.34 | jelly-home | on a shared webhosting server? it definitely is. It might also create problems with some apps. |
| 22:14.27 | tweaked | was afraid of that |
| 22:14.40 | tweaked | i have a bunch of ajax apps that do post/get requests |
| 22:16.02 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I thought mod-security was GPL ? |
| 22:16.09 | jelly-home | \amethyst: it is |
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| 22:16.20 | tweaked | some issues with the new gpl and etch |
| 22:16.24 | tweaked | or something like that |
| 22:16.25 | casanova- | hey guys |
| 22:16.37 | \amethyst | oh, it links against non-GPL code? |
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| 22:16.46 | jelly-home | \amethyst: yes. apache. |
| 22:16.53 | tweaked | cause it came packaded default with older debians |
| 22:17.08 | Ace2016 | slidesinger: how do DJs stop themselves going deaf at concerts, do you know? |
| 22:17.18 | jelly-home | GPLed apache modules are nondistributable |
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| 22:17.25 | casanova- | Anyone know a computer parts selling online store in the following countries: UK, France, Belgium; Spain, Italy? I have just been employed to develop a small business in France and I'm from Finland, and only know in .fi |
| 22:17.28 | jeward | Hi, I've tried everything I can think of to get the latest 2.6 kernel (the one with the urgent security fixes) on one of my servers, but have failed. Can anyone help? |
| 22:17.42 | casanova- | URLs welcome |
| 22:17.45 | Ace2016 | i got some cool ear defenders and i added headphones into them and it sounds really nice now |
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| 22:18.06 | casanova- | I can buy with credit card |
| 22:18.23 | casanova- | Shipping is though expensive through a long distance |
| 22:18.27 | Ace2016 | but too quiet, its strange but it doesn't feel like i'm typing or clicking my mouse, without audio feedback of key presses and mouse clicks its driving me nuts |
| 22:18.38 | jeward | Linux kw52.chinoc.net 2.6.8-4-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Apr 30 08:15:22 UTC 2007 i686 x |
| 22:18.46 | jeward | It should be a Feb date. |
| 22:18.51 | casanova- | Germany and Switzerland OK also |
| 22:18.58 | wols | jeward: what is in your sources.list? |
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| 22:19.23 | Ace2016 | isn't the latest kernel in the repos 2.6.24.x? |
| 22:19.28 | jelly-home | jeward: also, 2.6.8 != 2.6.18 :-) |
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| 22:19.31 | jeward | deb http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ sarge main |
| 22:19.31 | jeward | deb-src http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ sarge main |
| 22:19.31 | jeward | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 22:19.31 | jeward | deb http://debian.local.chinoc.net/ chi local |
| 22:19.31 | wols | Ace2016: sid |
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| 22:19.32 | eifzon | What things do I need to set up a homepage? |
| 22:19.38 | Ace2016 | ah |
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| 22:19.51 | wols | eifzon:a webhoster. OT here |
| 22:19.52 | jeward | Ooops, did that get through? |
| 22:20.03 | jeward | It's a sarge box. |
| 22:20.05 | Ace2016 | wols: don't new kernels get put into all the distros? |
| 22:20.06 | wols | jeward: you run sarge which isn't vulnerable |
| 22:20.12 | eifzon | wols: can you tell name of the irc channel if they got |
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| 22:20.13 | wols | but sarge is EOL in 2 months. upgrade to etch |
| 22:20.19 | wols | !tell jeward about sarge->etch |
| 22:20.30 | jeward | wols: Nevertheless, there was a kernel released with urgent security fixes about the 20th. |
| 22:20.43 | jeward | wols: We're working on it. |
| 22:20.46 | wols | eifzon: #web perhaps? but webhosters are companyies. they rarely have chnnels |
| 22:20.58 | jeward | wols: We have about 100 servers left to upgrade. |
| 22:20.59 | wols | jeward: not for your kernel versions. it is not vulnerable |
| 22:21.14 | Nihilist | So trying to install debian and it's kernel panicing and scrolling the error off the screen so i can't see whats causing it, any suggestions? |
| 22:21.27 | jeward | wols: Okay, can you help me get it to the same kernel all my other sarge boxes have? |
| 22:21.38 | wols | jeward: which is which kernel exactly? |
| 22:21.45 | jeward | Linux kw3.chinoc.net 2.4.27-4-686-smp #1 SMP Wed Feb 20 09:33:30 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:21.47 | Eulex | wols, gotta upgrade my sarge server then. a pity, as it is chugging along extremely well; sarge really is stable right now. |
| 22:22.00 | wols | jeward: you shouldn't use that kernel. use the 2.6 one if you can |
| 22:22.02 | jeward | Oh wait, wrong box. |
| 22:22.09 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.25 | wols | frog: 0xae is a hex number. what "key"? |
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| 22:22.28 | jeward | wols: There's a 2.6.8 kernel from the same day. |
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| 22:22.49 | jeward | wols: The 2.6 sarge kernel doesn't have megaraid drivers. |
| 22:23.02 | wols | jeward: instakk kernel-iamge-2.4 |
| 22:23.10 | wols | jeward: instakk kernel-image-2.4 |
| 22:23.20 | jelly-home | frog: /bin/echo -e '\xae' ? |
| 22:23.28 | jeward | wols: I'll try that. |
| 22:23.28 | wols | jeward: but in 2 months you will need to uograde them to 2.6 again forst before upgrading to etch. wasted work |
| 22:23.42 | jeward | wols: They won't boot on 2.6. |
| 22:23.51 | frog | jelly-home |
| 22:23.54 | jeward | wols: 2.6 sarge kernel has no megaraid driver. |
| 22:23.56 | Eulex | jeward, even 2.6.18? |
| 22:23.56 | frog | wols thx |
| 22:24.07 | jeward | eulex: Haven't tried that. |
| 22:24.20 | Eulex | jeward, etch has that as default kernel |
| 22:24.31 | ignu | How do I get flashplayer for iceweasel? I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/ to no avail. |
| 22:25.11 | jeward | Eulex, I have upgraded many from sarge to etch, but I'm not sure if any had megaraid. |
| 22:25.40 | Eulex | jeward, etch 2.6.18 has megaraid.ko |
| 22:25.54 | abrotman | Eulex: it doesn't work on some megaraid controllers |
| 22:26.04 | abrotman | sarge had a megaraid2 or some crap .. |
| 22:26.13 | jeward | Eulex: Cool. We're trying to stabilize MySQl.InnoDB on the sarge->etch upgraded boxes. |
| 22:26.15 | jelly-home | yeah, the driver changed names in 2.6 at least once |
| 22:26.19 | abrotman | is that spam ? |
| 22:26.20 | Eulex | abrotman, oh |
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| 22:26.35 | jelly-home | EstaTiC_FeAR: samo engleski ovdje |
| 22:26.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: I can. |
| 22:26.48 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:26.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: i translated "php" :) |
| 22:27.23 | jelly-home | abrotman: you don't know about css, javascript or html, lucky guy |
| 22:27.32 | abrotman | oh i do |
| 22:27.36 | abrotman | i just stopped reading |
| 22:27.51 | EstaTiC_FeAR | jelly-home sorry mystake. . |
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| 22:29.05 | Eulex | jeward & abrotman, hmm, right, sarge's 2.6.8 had megaraid.ko too. I have no idea whether the megaraid in 2.6.18 will work for jeward's purposes. |
| 22:29.16 | abrotman | !find megaraid*.ko sarge |
| 22:29.22 | abrotman | Eulex: depends on the adapter |
| 22:29.26 | abrotman | oh shit .. did that wrong |
| 22:29.29 | abrotman | !find megaraid*.o sarge |
| 22:29.32 | eifzon | How do I get latest phpsysinfo on Debian Etch? |
| 22:29.34 | Eulex | /lib/modules/2.6.8-4-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko |
| 22:29.45 | jeward | Eulex: All I know is, the boxes come up saying there is no megaraid2 module and panic. |
| 22:29.50 | abrotman | Eulex: and for 2.4.xx ? |
| 22:29.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'megaraid*.ko' (3 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-4-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-4-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-4-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686. |
| 22:29.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'megaraid*.o' (3 of 8): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k6/kernel/drivers/scsi/{megaraid.o|megaraid2.o}) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/{megaraid.o|megaraid2.o}) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/{megaraid.o|megaraid2.o}) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686. |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | Eulex: note the megaraid2 in 2.4 stuff |
| 22:30.18 | Eulex | ok |
| 22:30.33 | jeward | abrotman: So were' good with etch? |
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| 22:42.54 | grendal_prime | hey guys tring to mount an image of a disk on module..i keep getting this error message |
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| 22:43.15 | grendal_prime | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
| 22:43.43 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.32 | grendal_prime | im pretty sure the file system is ext3, do i have to actually create the loop0 in dev first? |
| 22:44.41 | grendal_prime | or does it create it with the mount? |
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| 22:50.17 | MrTelephone | anyone else have problems with unrar and multiple file volumes/ |
| 22:50.21 | MrTelephone | it never wants to find the next file |
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| 22:59.48 | jeffwheeler | Might there be a problem with HFS+ in the kernel's support that causes trouble with files greater than 2gb? |
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| 23:00.18 | nachox | is there a way to uncompress a .deb file? |
| 23:00.43 | abrotman | ar x file.deb |
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| 23:03.35 | dondelelcaro | nachox: dpkg-deb -x foo.deb; |
| 23:03.38 | dondelelcaro | nachox: man dpkg-deb |
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| 23:06.48 | yigal | abrotman: I don't know if you remember but I ran memtest for an hour without a single error |
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| 23:07.09 | Nyle | time matters little |
| 23:07.17 | Nyle | make you get at least 2 good clean passes with no errors |
| 23:07.19 | abrotman | yigal: you can check the BTS .. or ask #gcc if they know what might be causing it .. |
| 23:07.27 | Nyle | make sure* |
| 23:07.35 | yigal | abrotman: ok |
| 23:07.38 | Nyle | hello btw |
| 23:07.39 | abrotman | yigal: which version of debian was this? |
| 23:07.46 | yigal | I'm using lenny |
| 23:07.49 | yigal | not etch |
| 23:08.00 | abrotman | there might be a BTS entry for it |
| 23:08.04 | yigal | ok |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | yigal: be a bit better if you could isolate it a bit more .. |
| 23:08.38 | dondelelcaro | yigal: the other question is whether whatever the problem is happens randomly or consistently |
| 23:08.54 | dondelelcaro | (if it's consistent, it's a bug; if not, I'd still suspect hardware) |
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| 23:09.30 | yigal | dondelelcaro: I have turned on a lot of debugging flags so I will see if any of it helps :) |
| 23:09.35 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 23:10.49 | DawnLight | i've installed zope-plone3 and hav created an instance using dzhandle with -m all and the Products directory of that instance does have plone3 products in it (tree-linked) and they do exist at the target of the links but i don't have them available for adding in the ZMI. i have restarted the instance. i don't get it. help? |
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| 23:11.16 | DawnLight | this is the backports version |
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| 23:14.15 | DawnLight | oh, interesting log entries... |
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| 23:15.30 | abrotman | DawnLight: "Oh crap, forgot to order pizza" ? |
| 23:15.53 | DawnLight | i wish |
| 23:15.59 | DawnLight | a bunch of erros |
| 23:16.04 | DawnLight | you know plone? |
| 23:16.18 | abrotman | it rhymes with cone |
| 23:16.26 | DawnLight | and the FSF use it |
| 23:16.50 | DawnLight | respec? |
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| 23:19.16 | dirkson | Heyo all. I need to walk a remote friend through a Debian install up to the point where I can SSH in and take over the install. Are there any guides online for that sort of thing? |
| 23:19.57 | abrotman | there's actually a method to install over ssh |
| 23:20.36 | dirkson | abrotman: Right. But there are steps that the fellow on the other end needs to take to get the debian install CD up to the ssh step, aye? |
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| 23:21.43 | DawnLight | abrotman: where can i read about installing over ssh? |
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| 23:22.24 | drwahl | !tell DawnLight about remote install |
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| 23:24.19 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 23:24.19 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh install is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 23:25.42 | abrotman | dirkson: DawnLight ^^^^^ |
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| 23:26.09 | newb | hello all of you |
| 23:26.28 | newb | im having trouble logig in to kde |
| 23:27.14 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I find out why my system is very very very slow? I have 1G of RAM and a 3Ghz processor, there is the free output: http://pastebin.ca/921342 |
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| 23:27.49 | bubba | hello E/everyone |
| 23:28.08 | bubba | anyone actually here? |
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| 23:28.16 | biz | Using bind9 and setting controls { inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 allow { localhost; }; }; - why does bind still listen on port rndc (953) on other (external) ip addresses? Am I missing something? |
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| 23:28.28 | yigal | I have a c++ compilation error that I am trying to debug |
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| 23:28.40 | yigal | if I use -j2 with make I get this error " |
| 23:28.58 | yigal | g++: Internal error: Bus error (program cc1plus) |
| 23:29.03 | yigal | " |
| 23:29.12 | newb | any one here? |
| 23:29.16 | yigal | hello |
| 23:29.23 | yigal | what's up? |
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| 23:29.52 | newb | im having trouble loggin in to kde it might be persmission but im not sure what type |
| 23:30.13 | _moep_ | hi i wanna add an gpg key from a debian paket but i get this error: http://mypaste.ja-s.de/1298 |
| 23:30.14 | yigal | newb: what happens when you try to log in? |
| 23:30.22 | gonzaloaf | no clues for me? |
| 23:30.45 | newb | gos right back to the login screen |
| 23:31.14 | yigal | newb: do you have any other wm like openbox or fluxbox? |
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| 23:31.26 | drwahl | gonzaloaf: what does 'uptime' output? |
| 23:31.28 | newb | nope |
| 23:31.31 | newb | just kdm |
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| 23:31.45 | yigal | newb: ah, you are a n00b :) |
| 23:31.57 | yigal | hmm, it could be so many things |
| 23:32.12 | yigal | newb: did you do a recent upgrade? |
| 23:32.14 | gonzaloaf | drwahl, 18:31:05 up 2 days, 53 min, 3 users, load average: 1.45, 1.25, 0.75 |
| 23:32.16 | newb | thanks that makes me feel a whole lot better l |
| 23:32.17 | schwarzebrettdot | Hi. I ruined my debian install and only have an old Xubuntu CD here at the moment, no way to burn a CD, and a Debian Etch image on hda1. is it possible to install that image from hda1 to hda5(which is empty) ? |
| 23:32.45 | newb | brands new box windows got a virus and i wast gooint to deal with that no more |
| 23:32.51 | drwahl | gonzaloaf: ah, it looks like some program is eating up your cpu time. run 'top' and see what program is eating up the biggest cpu%. use CTRL+C to close top |
| 23:32.57 | craigevil | newb: if its not a permisson issue it sounds like a video problem |
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| 23:33.07 | newb | the video is working |
| 23:33.08 | yigal | newb: good I'm glad, sorry it's difficult for you at the beginning |
| 23:33.38 | gonzaloaf | drwahl, xorg |
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| 23:34.38 | drwahl | gonzaloaf: odd... well, if you dont have anything open that needs saving (i.e. a document/etc.) hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart your xserver. this will close all programs and put u back at teh login screen. |
| 23:34.39 | gonzaloaf | drwahl, the biggest are Xorg with 25-45% and pidgin with 14-20% |
| 23:35.26 | gonzaloaf | drwahl, this is what I dindnt want to do, but I want to identify the fail, because it is happening lately |
| 23:35.37 | newb | so where would i got to allow a user to log in to kde? |
| 23:35.37 | craigevil | thats a lot of cpu for Xorg to be using |
| 23:35.38 | drwahl | ah, ok |
| 23:36.33 | drwahl | gonzaloaf: i know there was an issue with superkaramba cause xorg to freak out, maybe there are some other apps known to cause these issues. are you up to date with your software (i.e. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade)? |
| 23:36.34 | yigal | newb: is there a safe login feature on kdm, I'm just not familiar with kdm or kde :( |
| 23:36.52 | newb | let me check |
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| 23:37.38 | yigal | if there is try it, what are you using now of irc? |
| 23:37.43 | wad | I can use dpkg-buildpackage to make a .deb, but I'm trying to run lintian, and it want's a udeb file. What is this, and how do I make one? |
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| 23:38.35 | Xenguy | wad: I think there is also the #debian-mentors channel for issues like that |
| 23:38.46 | wad | Xenguy, ah, thanks. |
| 23:39.08 | Nyle | wad: you are familiar with the maintainers guide? |
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| 23:39.17 | wad | Nyle: Working through it. |
| 23:39.20 | Nyle | ok |
| 23:39.30 | wad | I didn't notice a section on lintian in there... |
| 23:39.39 | wad | I'm trying a couple things right now. :) |
| 23:40.18 | Nyle | 7.1 |
| 23:40.48 | Nyle | Note that you can build the package with dpkg-buildpackage , run lintian , and linda all in one command with debuild(1) |
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| 23:41.41 | infinity3 | my file system has 0 bytes free, but i can only account for 3 out of the 5 gigs used. where can I find the other 2 gigs? |
| 23:41.56 | Nyle | wad: ^^ |
| 23:42.09 | Maulkin | infinity3: open files? |
| 23:42.11 | Nyle | wad: http://lintian.debian.org/ |
| 23:42.15 | wad | Nyle: nifty. |
| 23:42.32 | infinity3 | i'm not sure ...i've seen this problem before, but i don't know how i fiugred it out. i'm stumpted this time |
| 23:42.32 | Nyle | wad: http://lintian.debian.org/manual/index.html <- specifically |
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| 23:42.42 | Nyle | wad: this is a fucking life saver :) |
| 23:43.06 | Nyle | I need to consolidate my bookmarks files |
| 23:43.14 | Nyle | spread over 3 systems heh |
| 23:44.03 | Xenguy | gonzaloaf: one other idea is to restart X and then check top again to see if it is using any less cpu and/or memory |
| 23:44.06 | Xenguy | ww |
| 23:44.30 | Nyle | I wonder why lintian wants you to tive her a udeb |
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| 23:44.34 | Nyle | give* |
| 23:45.01 | Nyle | thats just strange. |
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| 23:46.09 | bancai | hello, i am trying to secure my internet connection, using ssh tunnel to a remote ssh server it works, but does it also work on local ssh server? |
| 23:47.00 | Nyle | ssh == secure shell |
| 23:47.02 | Nyle | yes. |
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| 23:47.19 | Nyle | I have actually idea what you are asking. |
| 23:47.22 | Nyle | no idea* |
| 23:47.24 | wad | Hmm... I so ran lintian on the package I'm playing with, for the first time. It thought a while, then returned with no message. Does this conform to the linux policy of a program returning nothing if there were no errors? |
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| 23:47.32 | wad | Or did it put the messages elsewhere? |
| 23:47.51 | \amethyst | there's going to be an unencrypted connection between the ssh server and the computer it's forwarding to |
| 23:47.52 | Nyle | wad: that is also described within the lintian user manual |
| 23:47.58 | Nyle | wad: I remembe reading that a while ago |
| 23:48.08 | bancai | Nyle, i tried using localhost, i put the socks in firefox preference, then use wireshark, but i still can see everything (it is not encrypted) |
| 23:48.20 | Nyle | bancai: no idea, sorry |
| 23:48.25 | bancai | Nyle, but if i use remote ssh server, everything is encrypted |
| 23:49.12 | Nyle | hm |
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| 23:49.16 | Nyle | no idea with firefox |
| 23:49.17 | Nyle | sorry |
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| 23:49.32 | Nostahl | what can i use like pastebin for jpg's |
| 23:49.38 | drwahl | bancai: what are you trying to accomplish? ask a more broad question and we will be able to help point you in the right direction |
| 23:49.44 | Nyle | freeimagehosting.net? |
| 23:49.50 | \amethyst | bancai: because it does ssh client <--encrypted--> ssh server <--unencrypted--> host you're connecting to |
| 23:49.58 | Nyle | !listvals paste |
| 23:49.59 | \amethyst | bancai: only the part between the client and the server is encrypted |
| 23:50.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'paste' by value (15 of 66): CMD: confuse (.*?) ;; apache overlay ;; basic apt-get troubleshooting ;; be directions barbie ;; cmd: error processing (.*?) ;; guideline 7 ;; lala cmd: britsmite (.*?) ;; noxpaster ;; object linking and embedding (ole) ;; pastebat ;; pastercat ;; pastewithoutx ;; qotd83 ;; rape and paste programming ;; tinyurl. |
| 23:50.06 | Nyle | ooops |
| 23:50.13 | Nyle | !listkeys paste |
| 23:50.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'paste' by key (15 of 45): #debian paster ;; CMD: crabpastesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: crappastesmite (.*?) ;; console paster ;; crabpaste ;; crabpastesmite ;; mark and paste ;; paste ;; paste bin ;; pastebat ;; pastebin oneliner ;; pastebot ;; paster package superkaramba ;; pastercat ;; rape&paste programming. |
| 23:50.26 | Nyle | hm i think i remember a factoid about iamge pasting or something |
| 23:50.27 | \amethyst | bancai: so if the server runs on the same computer as the client, the encrypted part of the connection is very short |
| 23:50.36 | Nyle | hm |
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| 23:50.44 | Nyle | why do i remember that |
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| 23:51.23 | \amethyst | bancai: whatever you do there is going to be an unencrypted leg of the journey, on the other side of the tunnel |
| 23:51.27 | bancai | \amethyst, are you saying using ssh server on the same computer as the client is useless? |
| 23:51.58 | \amethyst | bancai: tunnelling to an ssh server on the same computer as the client is more or less useless for privacy, yes |
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| 23:52.34 | \amethyst | bancai: you have to trust the ssh server's ISP, because they can read stuff as it comes out of the tunnel and goes to its final destination |
| 23:52.36 | bancai | \amethyst, ok, what a pain, i thought this trick will work, since using a remote ssh server will slow the my connection a little bit |
| 23:52.37 | sls | Hi, I am installing debian over a nework. I have setup a preseed file that only indicates to grab files from my internal server... however the installer refuses to do so... it goes out on the internet anyhow and gets the install files.. this is slow... what is wrong?! d-i apt-setup/hostname string http://10.0.0.200/ is the line... there is no reference to the online repos in the preseed file.. |
| 23:52.42 | \amethyst | unless the final destination is the server |
| 23:53.00 | \amethyst | bancai: What are you trying to protect yourself against, anyway? |
| 23:53.06 | \amethyst | bancai: snooping by your home ISP? |
| 23:53.17 | bancai | \amethyst, i am using open wireless network |
| 23:53.39 | bancai | airport |
| 23:53.51 | \amethyst | bancai: oh, so you don't want the wireless packets to be readable |
| 23:53.58 | bancai | \amethyst, exactly |
| 23:54.04 | RichiH | is there a way to prevent users from setting a password for themselves? |
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| 23:54.12 | \amethyst | bancai: in that case, you could put a computer on a wired network between the access point and the internet |
| 23:54.16 | nollan_ | bancai, vpn :-) |
| 23:54.18 | \amethyst | bancai: then do the tunnel to that computer |
| 23:54.47 | bancai | \amethyst, that would mean i should bring 2 laptop everytime i travel =) |
| 23:55.07 | \amethyst | bancai: or get an access point that has an ssh server |
| 23:55.09 | bancai | \amethyst, and beside i dont have access to the wired network on airport |
| 23:55.38 | \amethyst | then you'll have to pick some nearby location to ssh to (nearby in terms of network topology) |
| 23:55.47 | bancai | nollan_, i have vpn, ssh account on my university network, but my first thought using local ssh server is not to lose the speed |
| 23:56.05 | nollan_ | bancai, ahh ic, good thinking |
| 23:56.07 | bancai | \amethyst, if that is the only way, ... |
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| 23:56.49 | bancai | nollan_, whatever, it doesnt work :( |
| 23:56.52 | \amethyst | bancai: more or less, yes. You don't want any unencrypted packets sent over the air, so you must ensure that the endpoint of the ssh connection has a wired connection to the internet |
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| 23:57.15 | yigal | for c++ does anyone here know what a pch file is? |
| 23:57.16 | nollan_ | bancai, so you try to ssh client -> ssh server(localhost) -> internet ? |
| 23:57.26 | bancai | nollan_, yes, ssh -D |
| 23:57.29 | Nyle | yigal: ##c++ |
| 23:57.35 | yigal | Nyle: yes |
| 23:57.39 | tydel6 | hai |
| 23:57.40 | \amethyst | yigal: what do you mean "for C++"? |
| 23:57.41 | nollan_ | bancai, wont work no :-) |
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| 23:57.49 | Nyle | what do you mean yes |
| 23:57.52 | tydel6 | how can I pin a package so that apt-get update doesn't update it? |
| 23:57.53 | Nyle | this is #debian |
| 23:57.54 | \amethyst | yigal: do you mean "for Microsoft Visual C++" ? |
| 23:57.56 | Nyle | we don't teach c++ |
| 23:57.59 | Nyle | go to ##C++ |
| 23:58.00 | bancai | \amethyst, on the most airport, we cant assure that |
| 23:58.01 | Nyle | ask them. |
| 23:58.01 | yigal | \amethyst: oh, no gcc bug |
| 23:58.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell tydel6 about pinning |
| 23:58.10 | yigal | \amethyst: or at least error |
| 23:58.15 | tydel6 | thanks |
| 23:58.20 | \amethyst | yigal: what is the error? |
| 23:58.30 | mateusz_ | hmm |
| 23:58.36 | Nyle | *shrug* |
| 23:58.38 | mateusz_ | Does debian have firefox 3 ? |
| 23:58.47 | Nyle | no, it will have iceweasel 3 |
| 23:58.48 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:58.54 | yigal | my header file is called "Caustics.h" and the warning looks like |
| 23:58.57 | yigal | cc1plus: warning: Caustics.h.gch: too short to be a PCH file |
| 23:59.08 | yigal | its a warning but if I put optimization everything breaks |
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| 23:59.15 | yigal | so it's my only lead |
| 23:59.20 | \amethyst | yigal: PCH is usually 'pre-compiled header' |
| 23:59.23 | bancai | nollan_, \amethyst, do you know any IM client which can use socks? i use kopete, but i dont have the option to set the socks |
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| 23:59.38 | Nyle | bancai: I think gimp is pretty good for that |
| 23:59.40 | Nyle | er.. |
| 23:59.47 | yigal | \amethyst: ok, so maybe I am building something not quite right |
| 23:59.48 | Nyle | s/gimp/ |
| 23:59.53 | Nyle | hm fuck i forgot what it was called |
| 23:59.55 | Nyle | gaim! |
