| 00:00.04 | amphi | just another turing-incomplete biped, probably |
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| 00:00.43 | ForkedSpoon | Im what you should know im not but at the same time.. love me for all the apps i have loved me for.. so long :=)( |
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| 00:00.47 | Skaag | I hope I'm not being an idiot for asking this but it looks like the php5-gd package in debian 4.0 was not compiled with freetype support...? |
| 00:01.26 | eifzon | How do I shutdown vsftpd? |
| 00:01.27 | ForkedSpoon | Abrot: are you important and or know importyant Debian people ? |
| 00:01.37 | ForkedSpoon | killall -9 vsftpd |
| 00:01.48 | Skaag | ForkedSpoon: We all think abrotman is very important |
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| 00:02.12 | abrotman | Skaag: it's likely .. or maybe it's another package |
| 00:02.13 | azeem | ForkedSpoon: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic. Please try to be more signal and less noise in the future, thanks |
| 00:02.48 | Skaag | abrotman: I aptitude'd the hell out of this and could not find, for example, php5-gd2 - I remember a package with that name used to exist, maybe in the 3.2 days |
| 00:02.58 | abrotman | 3.1 .. yes |
| 00:03.15 | Skaag | ak ;-) |
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| 00:04.03 | Skaag | so it looks like i'll have to bring the package source, make some modifications, and built my custom package... but it just somehow feels very wrong |
| 00:04.07 | Skaag | like maybe i'm just missing something |
| 00:04.18 | Skaag | it makes no sense that it would not support freetype, this is very basic |
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| 00:04.38 | abrotman | Skaag: the rules file seems to suggest it was |
| 00:04.39 | Skaag | the most basic charting facility would need to write text on top of a chart |
| 00:04.40 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: it still exists... |
| 00:04.45 | dondelelcaro | !+info php5-gd |
| 00:04.50 | dpkg | php5-gd: (GD module for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 00:05.00 | Skaag | i've installed that |
| 00:05.00 | abrotman | i think he meant php5-gd2 |
| 00:05.11 | dondelelcaro | that's libgd2, so it's as gd2 as you get... |
| 00:05.22 | dondelelcaro | !+depends php5-gd |
| 00:05.24 | Lycus | Anyone know a particularly good live distro for monitoring CPU cores etc? Building a new system I intend to overclock, not sure what OS I want to put on it atm. |
| 00:05.26 | dpkg | php5-gd: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgd2-xpm (>= 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libt1-5, libx11-6, libxpm4, php5-common (= 5.2.5-3), phpapi-20060613+lfs, zlib1g |
| 00:05.28 | Skaag | I see, it replaces the old php5-gd2 |
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| 00:06.52 | Skaag | hm... they are all installed and present |
| 00:08.28 | Lycus | bah v_v |
| 00:08.30 | Skaag | I see! php5-cgi seems to have gd compiled in |
| 00:08.41 | Skaag | (i'm using the suphp module) |
| 00:08.53 | Skaag | I'm suspecting it is ignoring the dso |
| 00:08.58 | Skaag | zlotniks |
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| 00:09.30 | shamrock | how do I change the jre iceweasel uses? |
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| 00:10.07 | Skaag | doesn't it honour the JAVA_HOME environment variable? |
| 00:11.03 | shamrock | update-alternatives was the answer |
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| 00:13.05 | Oni974|Ghost_Kil | soir |
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| 00:13.21 | eifzon | anyone here using debian+vsftp? |
| 00:13.23 | miladen | when i put in my new external harddrive it says: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000... Why cant i do anything with it? |
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| 00:13.48 | Wizbangf | how do i find out what version of openssl i have? |
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| 00:13.58 | blueyed | abrotman: this is on x86 (but with Ubuntu Hardy). My point is just, that apt should be smart enough to figure it out.. can I somehow give it a hint? |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | uh .. #ubuntu ? |
| 00:14.30 | fsmunoz | Wizbangf: openssl version |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | blueyed: i have no idea how Ubuntu prepares their kernels .. ask #ubuntu |
| 00:14.56 | SexyKen | What the hell |
| 00:15.02 | SexyKen | I didn't know it was KDE 3.5 |
| 00:15.04 | SexyKen | I want 4 dammnit |
| 00:15.21 | dkr | I have a sarge system(main, updates, and volatile) that I am verifying completely up to date before moving to etch. aptitude shows 3 packages as obsolete, but all 3 are depended on by other packages so I can't figure out why. libssl0.9.8 required by tcpdump. tzdata required by libc. and libdevmapper required by initrd-tools |
| 00:15.26 | abrotman | !tell SexyKen about kde4 |
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| 00:15.58 | blueyed | abrotman: well, I'm building/maintaining the package myself (virtualbox-ose-modules) and trying to fix this.. I thought apt is more related to this channel than #ubuntu.. |
| 00:16.01 | abrotman | dkr: sarge didn't have 0.9.8 |
| 00:16.20 | rdz | "You must manually set KDREV environment variable, which specifies |
| 00:16.20 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.20 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | blueyed: and Ubuntu gave you your apt tools .. they may have patched them .. i don't use it .. ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:16.29 | SexyKen | So KDE4 is not stable? |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | i don't think even #kde considers it stable |
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| 00:17.21 | thedonvaughn | SexyKen: i'm not a fan and wouldn't consider it stable but *shrugs* |
| 00:17.32 | SexyKen | That's just gay. |
| 00:17.38 | octox2 | anyone know what package the k8temp module comes in? |
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| 00:17.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell SexyKen -about gay |
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| 00:17.53 | ManuP | !cut |
| 00:18.24 | eifzon | anyone here using debian+vsftp? |
| 00:18.28 | ForkedSpoon | ManuP. |
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| 00:18.34 | SexyKen | Sorry dondelelcaro, I did not know you were gay and seriously, did not mean to offend anyone. Please accept my apologies. |
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| 00:19.20 | fsmunoz | Apropos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afACnAMG9iM |
| 00:20.17 | ForkedSpoon | Thanks. Im a provider of 20 apps, 24 patches an apache indian. I love everyone and hope you like those who make the programs as well :=) |
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| 00:21.14 | gordonjcp | meh |
| 00:21.18 | abrotman | ForkedSpoon: please keep it on topic |
| 00:21.30 | eifzon | anyone here using debian+vsftp? |
| 00:21.33 | gordonjcp | SexyKen: it's a pretty lame insult |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | eifzon: ask a real question .. |
| 00:21.43 | ForkedSpoon | Ok, i know everything you can possibly ask me |
| 00:21.45 | drwahl | !anyone use debian+vsftp |
| 00:21.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian+vsftp, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:21.54 | eifzon | :P |
| 00:21.57 | gordonjcp | SexyKen: but then again, I think gay people could possibly get a thicker skin about it |
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| 00:22.07 | eifzon | It seems like my vsfptd wont restart :( |
| 00:22.08 | ForkedSpoon | vsftpd doesnt scale near as well as proftpd |
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| 00:22.18 | eifzon | ForkedSpoon: so you say proftpd is better? |
| 00:22.20 | SexyKen | gordonjcp: Firstly, I wasn't saying a person was gay, secondly, big fucking deal. |
| 00:22.27 | gordonjcp | you don't hear me whinging about people culturally stereotyping scottish people as stingy |
| 00:22.30 | ForkedSpoon | eifzon: yes... yes i do |
| 00:22.32 | gordonjcp | SexyKen: indeed |
| 00:22.38 | eifzon | ForkedSpoon: in what ways? |
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| 00:22.51 | Miesco | How come I have Java-jre and when I try to load an applet with iceweasel it says I need to install java JRE? |
| 00:23.02 | ForkedSpoon | eifzon: what camp are you from ? .. vsftpd ? |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | did you install the plugin ? |
| 00:23.09 | eifzon | ForkedSpoon: yes ;P |
| 00:23.15 | SexyKen | People who get offended by the word "gay" are the ones that are insecure, not the ones that are using the word. Ffs. Subject change. |
| 00:23.17 | gordonjcp | SexyKen: generally 95% of people in any given group need a great big steaming mug of Grow The Fuck Up |
| 00:23.19 | SexyKen | How about them Giants? |
| 00:23.22 | eifzon | ForkedSpoon: I try proftpd then |
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| 00:23.39 | gordonjcp | eifzon: do you *need* ftp? |
| 00:23.42 | eifzon | yes |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | SexyKen/gordonjcp: drop it already |
| 00:23.46 | ForkedSpoon | eifzon: take for example radius support. Proftps is always free and supperioor there isnt it ? |
| 00:23.48 | eifzon | its for homeuse only gordonjcp |
| 00:23.50 | gordonjcp | eifzon: specifically ftp? |
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| 00:24.00 | dkr | abrotman: oh, I think figured it out. tcpdump (and its dependency of libssl0.9.8) were installed some point after etch became stable and before sources.list was modified to s/stable/sarge/, so I have sarge with a couple etch packages accidentally |
| 00:24.05 | gordonjcp | eifzon: you can't, for instance, use scp? |
| 00:24.09 | eifzon | nope |
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| 00:24.16 | ForkedSpoon | eifzon: See proftpd first, youll find it way nce |
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| 00:24.17 | gordonjcp | eifzon: ftp is a whole world of pain |
| 00:24.20 | eifzon | no |
| 00:24.26 | gordonjcp | there are no good ftp servers |
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| 00:24.45 | Miesco | dpkg jre |
| 00:24.45 | dpkg | java is, like, a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 00:24.48 | gordonjcp | and the debian maintainers are a bunch of fucking incompetent mongs for even considering allowing ftp server packages into the distro |
| 00:25.04 | gordonjcp | anyone who still uses ftp in this day and age should be shot through both hands |
| 00:25.12 | ForkedSpoon | eifzon: also see if some idiots have cashiers checks... have fun son! |
| 00:25.15 | fsmunoz | That's one angry Scot right there |
| 00:25.17 | fsmunoz | ;) |
| 00:25.17 | dkr | gordonjcp: tell us how you really feel |
| 00:25.29 | eifzon | P; |
| 00:25.42 | gordonjcp | dkr: :-) |
| 00:25.46 | gordonjcp | ok, ok |
| 00:25.51 | ForkedSpoon | fsmunoz: are you trying to grow angry on a scotsman lil monkey ? |
| 00:25.53 | gordonjcp | seriously, though |
| 00:26.00 | ForkedSpoon | fsmunoz: please dont |
| 00:26.07 | gordonjcp | saying "I need an FTP server" is only the start of your problems |
| 00:26.25 | gordonjcp | there is *always* a better way to do it |
| 00:26.26 | ForkedSpoon | gordonjcp: are you a ftp |
| 00:26.28 | Nyle | hello |
| 00:26.35 | amphi | pon |
| 00:26.37 | gordonjcp | Nyle: hi |
| 00:26.39 | Nyle | hello SpoonedFork |
| 00:26.41 | Miesco | What if I install java-package |
| 00:26.42 | ForkedSpoon | gordonjcp: gadmin-proftpd ? |
| 00:26.51 | eifzon | lol, why do I get this error? dpkg: syntax error: unkown user `munin' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returend a error code (2) |
| 00:26.53 | Nyle | meiwhat are you wanting to do? |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | !tell Miesco about install java |
| 00:26.55 | eifzon | When I am trying to install proftpd ;P |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | Miesco: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 00:27.02 | ForkedSpoon | gordonjcp: quit jerkin off sonnix |
| 00:27.07 | Miesco | eifzon: Use vsftpd its fast |
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| 00:27.15 | eifzon | Miesco: cant get it to work |
| 00:27.18 | eifzon | it even wont restart |
| 00:27.21 | eifzon | shit |
| 00:27.23 | Nyle | !depends sun-java6-plugin |
| 00:27.26 | dpkg | sun-java6-plugin: depends on firefox | iceweasel | mozilla-firefox | iceape-browser | mozilla-browser | epiphany-browser | galeon | konqueror | midbrowser | xulrunner, libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxp6, libxtst6, sun-java6-bin (= 6-04-2) |
| 00:27.38 | eifzon | but why do I get that error? |
| 00:27.47 | Nyle | hm I wonder why |
| 00:28.08 | Supaplex | I want a nearly identical nfsroot for 4 different machines. what can I use for a filesystem overlay for each client? The clients will just see this via nfs, so I can do this all server side. |
| 00:28.11 | Miesco | Thanks |
| 00:28.34 | ForkedSpoon | Pighaskowlegde:Magnus:Well:Worth . Listning could be thinkings |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | eifzon: you didn't give us an error |
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| 00:28.51 | eifzon | how can I show the error |
| 00:28.58 | abrotman | ForkedSpoon: please keep it on topic |
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| 00:29.56 | abrotman | eifzon: you told us it has an error when it starts |
| 00:30.07 | eifzon | abrotman: but the problem now is |
| 00:30.10 | eifzon | I cannot download any packages |
| 00:30.14 | eifzon | lol, why do I get this error? dpkg: syntax error: unkown user `munin' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returend a error code (2) |
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| 00:30.27 | abrotman | cute |
| 00:30.38 | eifzon | how to fix it?;| |
| 00:30.58 | Supaplex | !unionfs |
| 00:30.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
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| 00:31.16 | Nyle | what do you want with unionfs |
| 00:31.29 | Nyle | you gonna make a debian live cd? |
| 00:31.45 | Supaplex | Nyle: feed nfsclients, all pinned to a fairly common setup. |
| 00:31.48 | Nyle | oh |
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| 00:31.56 | eifzon | abrotman: you know how to fix this? |
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| 00:31.56 | Nyle | ohhh, interesting |
| 00:31.57 | Supaplex | aka nfsroot |
| 00:32.33 | Supaplex | but I'll forgo tmpfs in favor of a seperate filesystem/location so changes don't gobble up server ram |
| 00:32.48 | Supaplex | the server's plenty busy as it is :P |
| 00:32.53 | abrotman | eifzon: moment |
| 00:32.58 | eifzon | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:33.34 | abrotman | eifzon: mv /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride-orig |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | eifzon: mv /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride-old /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | erm |
| 00:33.47 | abrotman | make the second a cp |
| 00:34.37 | eifzon | ok lets see if it works now |
| 00:35.10 | eifzon | abrotman: still same error |
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| 00:35.46 | abrotman | eifzon: how many lines in the file ? |
| 00:35.54 | eifzon | in what file |
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| 00:36.04 | abrotman | the broken one / |
| 00:36.04 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:36.10 | eifzon | how to check? ;< |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | wc -l file |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | or open it and look |
| 00:36.33 | eifzon | 689 /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 00:36.58 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to load a kernel module and i get: "FATAL: Error inserting lirc_it87 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-25-686/misc/lirc_it87.ko): Device or resource busy" . how can i check, what exactly is busy? |
| 00:37.13 | abrotman | eifzon: wrong file |
| 00:37.22 | eifzon | what file is the broken then |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | what's the error you gave us? |
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| 00:37.57 | eifzon | lol, why do I get this error? dpkg: syntax error: unkown user `munin' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returend a error code (2) |
| 00:39.13 | Miesco | How come when I play absolute poker with java applet It adds a java-data directory to my HOME? |
| 00:39.18 | eifzon | abrotman: you got it? |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | eifzon: so which file ? |
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| 00:39.41 | eifzon | ;|? |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | read the freaking error |
| 00:39.58 | eifzon | abrotman: how to? |
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| 00:40.18 | octox2 | Warning: File `.kernelvariables' has modification time 1.1e+06 s in the future ? |
| 00:40.29 | octox2 | how does that keep happening? |
| 00:40.44 | octox2 | files with times inthe future? |
| 00:40.58 | nevyn | cause your clock is wrong or the clock of the creator is wrong. |
| 00:41.20 | pherthyl__ | does anyone know where the default compiler flags are set? I'm trying to compile opencv from cvs and it keeps trying to add -no-rtti to the flags in the configure stage |
| 00:41.34 | pherthyl__ | but -no-rtti breaks the build cause it uses dynamic_cast |
| 00:42.01 | eifzon | abrotman: where is the damn error located then |
| 00:42.20 | Miesco | Fuck, at least it can go to .java-data instead of making a dir in my home directory that I have to look at everytime I go to it |
| 00:42.35 | abrotman | eifzon: you have severe difficulties |
| 00:42.43 | abrotman | eifzon: how many lines are in /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride ? |
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| 00:43.04 | eifzon | 4 /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | eifzon: paste the contents somewhere |
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| 00:43.58 | eifzon | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/922775 |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | eifzon: do you even have munin installed? |
| 00:45.06 | Miesco | abrotman: How do I make the java applet stop making directories in my home |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | Miesco: stop using java |
| 00:45.39 | eifzon | abrotman: I had but uninstalled |
| 00:45.57 | abrotman | eifzon: grep munin /etc/passwd |
| 00:46.00 | Miesco | abrotman: Then how do I play poker? |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | Miesco: you just play .. ignore the directory |
| 00:46.12 | eifzon | abrotman: it didnt respond |
| 00:46.22 | Miesco | abrotman: Okay |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | eifzon: cat /dev/null > /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 00:46.31 | Miesco | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 00:46.42 | eifzon | abrotman: what next? |
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| 00:46.52 | abrotman | do whatever you were going to do before you broke it |
| 00:47.03 | eifzon | is it gone now? ;p |
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| 00:48.48 | ManuP | ? |
| 00:48.59 | hooya | is there a howto for xen the debian way? i can't seem to get the bridged network to work. xenbr0, peth0 and vif0.0 all have mac addr of fe:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff with no IP. the real mac and the IP are on eth0. but tcpdump reveals that packets are dropped at peth0 since the mac doesn't match.. what am i missing? |
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| 00:51.11 | eifzon | hmm how can I see if the ftp service is using vsftpd's config ;< |
| 00:52.14 | streuner | rm the config file, if it has no effect.... |
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| 00:53.31 | streuner | well, if you dont have any other ftp-daemons installed, it surely use it :-) |
| 00:54.02 | eifzon | how come I can still be online on my ftp even if I uninstalled vsftpd? |
| 00:54.08 | eifzon | it also said it stopping ftp server: vsftpd. |
| 00:54.49 | streuner | grep dpkg-db about "ftp" |
| 00:55.17 | streuner | eifzon: dpkg -l | grep ftp |
| 00:55.34 | eifzon | ii proftpd 1.3.0-19 Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon |
| 00:55.37 | eifzon | rc vsftpd 2.0.5-2 The Very Secure FTP Daemon |
| 00:55.42 | streuner | here we go |
| 00:55.48 | eifzon | even if I uninstalled vsftpd it still there ;P |
| 00:55.52 | streuner | proftpd is installed |
| 00:55.58 | streuner | sure |
| 00:56.07 | eifzon | how do I remove it |
| 00:56.12 | streuner | heh? |
| 00:56.24 | eifzon | I have done the apt-get remove vsftpd |
| 00:56.26 | eifzon | still there =( |
| 00:56.26 | octox2 | anyone know where i can read about tunneling my X through ssh ? |
| 00:56.35 | octox2 | the preferred way |
| 00:56.47 | streuner | rc=remotley canceld |
| 00:57.01 | eifzon | streuner: talkin to me |
| 00:57.03 | streuner | sorry, may spelling sucks |
| 00:57.09 | streuner | s/may/my/ |
| 00:57.19 | eifzon | streuner: how can I fix it? |
| 00:57.22 | eifzon | so I jsut got (1) ;P |
| 00:57.33 | streuner | you do |
| 00:57.37 | streuner | proftpd |
| 00:57.53 | streuner | vsftpd is gone |
| 00:58.11 | eifzon | it still shows vsftpd? |
| 00:58.37 | streuner | sure, there are surely exist the config-files for |
| 00:58.48 | eifzon | hmm |
| 00:58.55 | eifzon | if I remove both vsftpd and proftpd |
| 00:59.11 | streuner | well, would be not a bad thing |
| 00:59.11 | eifzon | my ftp is still avaible |
| 00:59.13 | eifzon | how cum? ;P |
| 00:59.17 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 00:59.18 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 00:59.18 | eifzon | come |
| 00:59.20 | nekostar | building new system bbl ^_^ q66 here i come!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:59.38 | holycow | apt-get remove --purge proftd? |
| 00:59.40 | holycow | btw |
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| 00:59.54 | holycow | maybe uninstalling the software doesn't actually kill the service? |
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| 01:00.21 | streuner | holycow: the init script shouldnt do much then :-P |
| 01:00.46 | streuner | sure, it does |
| 01:01.13 | Tramp | it may not kill existing (forked) connections - I think this is, what he is talking about |
| 01:01.21 | holycow | back |
| 01:01.22 | holycow | yes |
| 01:01.25 | streuner | eifzon: proftpd is still installed, so ftp is available |
| 01:01.41 | eifzon | now it shows rc vsftpd 2.0.5-2 The Very Secure FTP Daemon |
| 01:01.44 | eifzon | just that |
| 01:01.47 | eifzon | after i did the thing holycow said |
| 01:01.52 | streuner | DOH |
| 01:01.55 | eifzon | but I don't even got vsftpd installed so ;P |
| 01:01.57 | streuner | no |
| 01:02.08 | streuner | he told you to remove proftpd |
| 01:02.23 | eifzon | yes.. |
| 01:02.47 | streuner | ok, so whats the line for proftpd then? |
| 01:02.49 | holycow | eifzon: i bet you any money you are either logged into someone elses ftp |
| 01:02.49 | streuner | rc? |
| 01:02.53 | LimCore | hello |
| 01:03.04 | streuner | holycow: hehe |
| 01:03.09 | holycow | or you have a virtual machine running on the same ip and that has debian with ftp running |
| 01:03.17 | holycow | it's funny but i've seen it happen |
| 01:03.26 | eifzon | no its my homeserver |
| 01:03.30 | LimCore | I forgoten my root password (but this is my box, so I can in example boot a livecd and change /etc/shadow) how should I reset root passwd? |
| 01:03.46 | RyanRyan52 | if you people don't like ftp then why does Debian use it? :D |
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| 01:04.09 | streuner | RyanRyan52: http://ftp.TLD.debian.org |
| 01:04.24 | streuner | its HTTP :-) |
| 01:04.25 | Tramp | !tell LimCore about ifrp |
| 01:04.40 | LimCore | if I just copy/paste an /etc/shadow line between two boxes, and change user name to "root" after paste, will it work? |
| 01:04.59 | eifzon | streuner: how to remove vsftpd then |
| 01:05.05 | eifzon | I wanna check how else I could be online ;P |
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| 01:05.15 | RyanRyan52 | ftp://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 01:05.21 | LimCore | can I as well boot from livecd, then chroot into mounted system's /etc and then do passwd root? |
| 01:06.19 | RyanRyan52 | LimCore: or you could 'root' the system...while grub is booting edit it and add 'rw init=/bin/bash' to the command line |
| 01:06.35 | RyanRyan52 | to the kernel command line |
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| 01:07.47 | Tramp | LimCore: why don't you just follow the process dpkg told you? |
| 01:08.10 | eifzon | streuner: you know how to? or holycow |
| 01:08.16 | LimCore | Tramp: passwd protected boot |
| 01:08.24 | holycow | how to what? |
| 01:08.27 | RyanRyan52 | LimCore: Did you try that... |
| 01:08.41 | LimCore | RyanRyan52: my grub is passwd protected... |
| 01:08.53 | RyanRyan52 | LimCore: ohh....then you have to do it a different way |
| 01:08.54 | LimCore | so can't edit init= |
| 01:09.10 | RyanRyan52 | LimCore: okay, soto break your grub password is what you need to do |
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| 01:09.17 | eifzon | holycow: remove vsftpd? |
| 01:09.21 | eifzon | it doesent remove ;P |
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| 01:09.44 | LimCore | RyanRyan52: I boot livecd and will simply comment out this line from grub.conf, then use the method with init= :) |
| 01:09.51 | RyanRyan52 | yes |
| 01:09.52 | Tramp | LimCore: yes, you can copy/paste shadow entries. If you paste a whole line and change the user, don't forget to remove the original root line |
| 01:09.57 | holycow | sorry missed that, what did you say? |
| 01:10.08 | streuner | eifzon> holycow: remove vsftpd? |
| 01:10.08 | streuner | <eifzon> it doesent remove ;P |
| 01:10.12 | eifzon | yes |
| 01:10.17 | LimCore | Tramp: thanks. btw, this is not very secure approach of linux =) |
| 01:10.20 | eifzon | streuner: ? |
| 01:10.26 | Tramp | LimCore: what? |
| 01:10.32 | RyanRyan52 | LimCore: physical access is root access |
| 01:11.07 | streuner | eifzon: fsftpd is already removed, so follow the advice of holycow |
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| 01:11.24 | eifzon | streuner: I tried that to but it already says its removed |
| 01:11.36 | eifzon | i did apt-get remove --purge vsftpd |
| 01:11.48 | holycow | ps aux | grep vsftpd |
| 01:11.50 | holycow | or |
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| 01:12.05 | eifzon | root 3224 0.0 0.2 3324 752 pts/0 R+ 02:12 0:00 grep vsftpd |
| 01:12.13 | RyanRyan52 | :D |
| 01:12.26 | holycow | so killall vsftpd |
| 01:12.32 | RyanRyan52 | heh |
| 01:12.43 | RyanRyan52 | holycow: but its not running |
| 01:12.44 | eifzon | command: killall not found |
| 01:12.44 | eifzon | ;P |
| 01:13.29 | holycow | kill -9 3224 |
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| 01:13.42 | eifzon | (322) - process not found |
| 01:13.43 | eifzon | hmm |
| 01:13.48 | holycow | 3224 |
| 01:13.49 | RyanRyan52 | thats the grep |
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| 01:13.58 | eifzon | aha |
| 01:13.58 | eifzon | ok |
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| 01:14.53 | holycow | i've reached the conclusion humans are built for logic |
| 01:15.00 | dvs | are? |
| 01:15.02 | eifzon | how come I still can see the vsftpd |
| 01:15.09 | holycow | see! |
| 01:15.10 | holycow | aren't |
| 01:15.11 | holycow | lol |
| 01:15.16 | ApOgEE- | no need to kill grep, already dead |
| 01:15.30 | holycow | what happened when you you killed 3224? |
| 01:15.30 | eifzon | dpkg -l | grep ftp |
| 01:15.30 | eifzon | rc vsftpd 2.0.5-2 The Very Secure FTP Daemon |
| 01:15.30 | dpkg | ii | grep ftp 2.6-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 01:15.32 | dvs | ApOgEE-: to make sure ;-) |
| 01:16.01 | holycow | eifzon: there is no way you are actually seeing that ftp |
| 01:16.05 | holycow | you might besshd into your box |
| 01:16.11 | eifzon | holycow: no |
| 01:16.13 | eifzon | I see it |
| 01:16.14 | eifzon | :S |
| 01:16.14 | holycow | but you are almost surely ftp'ing to someone elses box |
| 01:16.26 | RyanRyan52 | ummm...does that run under inetd? |
| 01:16.31 | eifzon | yah I ssh the box in my house.. |
| 01:16.44 | holycow | and how are you ftping to it? |
| 01:16.49 | holycow | you have a router redirecting to it? |
| 01:16.52 | eifzon | yes |
| 01:17.04 | eifzon | also using ssh |
| 01:17.11 | ApOgEE- | ps aux | grep vsftp[d] |
| 01:17.25 | eifzon | ApOgEE-: no reply on that |
| 01:17.52 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: then no vsftpd process anymore |
| 01:17.55 | RyanRyan52 | whats a good program to teach you to type? |
| 01:18.00 | holycow | make sure you don't check for [] characters |
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| 01:18.08 | holycow | hes telling you to try vsftp or vsftpd |
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| 01:18.20 | eifzon | found no of them |
| 01:18.23 | RyanRyan52 | grep knows regexes :D |
| 01:18.23 | eifzon | but how can I still use the ftp |
| 01:18.27 | eifzon | thats wierd ;/ |
| 01:18.36 | holycow | so |
| 01:18.42 | holycow | logout and log back in with the clinet |
| 01:18.45 | holycow | what message do you see? |
| 01:18.55 | RyanRyan52 | do "netstat -a" and look for something listening on port 21 (or that says ftp) |
| 01:19.08 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: the [] is to make sure the grep line didn't come out |
| 01:19.48 | eifzon | no ftp located in that RyanRyan52 |
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| 01:19.56 | eifzon | ApOgEE- ok |
| 01:20.02 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: then its not running :) |
| 01:20.08 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:20.11 | ApOgEE- | :) |
| 01:20.13 | eifzon | but how can I still connect to the ftp? |
| 01:20.16 | eifzon | thats the question |
| 01:20.18 | RyanRyan52 | if its not listening on the ftp port, it can't possibly be running |
| 01:20.20 | piju | ApOgEE-; |
| 01:20.35 | ApOgEE- | piju: :) |
| 01:21.02 | holycow | log into your router |
| 01:21.05 | holycow | check your settings |
| 01:21.11 | holycow | you are logged in to another ftp somewhere |
| 01:21.46 | ApOgEE- | how bout ps aux | grep ftp? |
| 01:22.06 | ApOgEE- | *without question mark |
| 01:22.26 | eifzon | shall I pastebin it? |
| 01:22.33 | ApOgEE- | sure |
| 01:22.41 | lymeca | I am trying to mount something using sshfs under Etch but it complains that /dev/fuse doesn't exist. And it's right,I have no /dev/fuse even though fuse is installed. What gives? |
| 01:22.53 | DawnLight | heyas |
| 01:22.53 | eifzon | http://pastebin.ca/922824 |
| 01:23.09 | ApOgEE- | lymeca: modprobe fusermount |
| 01:23.13 | holycow | right |
| 01:23.16 | holycow | you don't have ftp |
| 01:23.31 | eifzon | eifzon 3264 0.0 0.4 4224 1256 ? Ss 02:18 0:00 /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 01:23.35 | eifzon | whats that? |
| 01:23.35 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: you have sftp |
| 01:23.40 | holycow | but you might be loggedinto your sftp account |
| 01:23.47 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: ssh-ed ftp |
| 01:23.48 | eifzon | hmm :o |
| 01:23.55 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: thats the secure happy way! |
| 01:23.55 | eifzon | how can I fix that? |
| 01:24.01 | holycow | your ftp client is logging into your ssh account |
| 01:24.07 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: remove ssh |
| 01:24.12 | eifzon | I need ssh ;D |
| 01:24.20 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: then dont remove it :D |
| 01:24.25 | holycow | block 21 access on router |
| 01:24.25 | eifzon | but I need to remove ftp |
| 01:24.32 | holycow | you DON'T have ftp |
| 01:24.36 | eifzon | holycow: isnt there any other way? |
| 01:24.36 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: you have ssh |
| 01:24.41 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: sftp is part of ssh |
| 01:24.42 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: kill -9 3264 |
| 01:24.42 | holycow | your accessing your ssh account via ftp |
| 01:24.47 | holycow | what ryna said |
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| 01:24.50 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:24.54 | lymeca | ApOgEE-: FATAL: Module fusermount not found. |
| 01:25.02 | eifzon | what will happen then ApOgEE- ? |
| 01:25.18 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: you will have no ssh |
| 01:25.26 | eifzon | I need SSH else I cant speak here |
| 01:25.31 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: exactly! |
| 01:25.31 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: you will kill sftp-server |
| 01:25.40 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:25.42 | holycow | again, don't forget |
| 01:25.45 | holycow | you DON'T have ftp |
| 01:25.54 | eifzon | holycow: everyone is saying sftp |
| 01:25.55 | ApOgEE- | ssh is not sftp-server |
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| 01:26.01 | holycow | if your accessing it with a certificate or a strong pass |
| 01:26.02 | eifzon | ffs getting very wierd ;P |
| 01:26.06 | holycow | you have nothing to worry about |
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| 01:26.22 | ApOgEE- | eifzon 3264 0.0 0.4 4224 1256 ? Ss 02:18 0:00 /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 01:26.24 | eifzon | but shall I kill the service imo? :< |
| 01:26.30 | eifzon | can i remove sftp-server then? |
| 01:26.44 | holycow | dude |
| 01:26.46 | holycow | its just ssh |
| 01:26.51 | holycow | ssh has the capability for file transer |
| 01:26.56 | eifzon | ahh |
| 01:27.00 | holycow | why are you worried about file transfer over ssh? |
| 01:27.13 | holycow | worry about whether ornot you have a very very secure ssh pass |
| 01:27.13 | eifzon | it seems like making my vsftpd to not work |
| 01:27.13 | eifzon | etc.. |
| 01:27.22 | holycow | or use a certificate to log in |
| 01:27.26 | holycow | ah no |
| 01:27.33 | ApOgEE- | haha... i don't know, why you worry about it? |
| 01:28.24 | ApOgEE- | :D |
| 01:28.27 | eifzon | I am so confused now |
| 01:28.27 | DawnLight | wow. the ssss package sounds supa l33t |
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| 01:28.55 | eifzon | so WHAT to do.. ;P |
| 01:29.02 | ApOgEE- | let it be |
| 01:29.03 | holycow | what to do? |
| 01:29.06 | holycow | shut the hell up ? |
| 01:29.11 | eifzon | ;< |
| 01:29.18 | holycow | c'mon, man look |
| 01:29.24 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: what do you wanna do? |
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| 01:29.28 | holycow | what are you worried about that someone will access the account? |
| 01:29.39 | eifzon | holycow: I havent said that.. |
| 01:29.39 | holycow | or are you trying to accomplish something else? |
| 01:30.15 | holycow | btw sorry about that |
| 01:30.18 | holycow | i don't mean to be rude |
| 01:30.18 | eifzon | its ok |
| 01:30.22 | eifzon | ;P |
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| 01:30.29 | holycow | :) i thought it was funny but sometimes text doesn't translate well |
| 01:30.44 | eifzon | but, I am avaible to use sftp://ip and username pw to log in to my ftp |
| 01:30.47 | DawnLight | text sucks |
| 01:30.50 | eifzon | and I dont even need a ftp server? |
| 01:30.51 | eifzon | lol |
| 01:30.58 | RyanRyan52 | its ssh |
| 01:30.59 | holycow | so now you have secure ftp access to your box from your machine, thats great you can transfer files knowing everything is encrypted |
| 01:31.01 | eifzon | ahh! |
| 01:31.02 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:31.04 | DawnLight | sftp is not ftp over ssh |
| 01:31.07 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: that's sftp |
| 01:31.23 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:31.55 | holycow | i know its hard to visualize, most people think ssh just lets you access a remote console |
| 01:32.01 | holycow | ssh does a lot of intresting things |
| 01:32.09 | holycow | you can scp files back and forth from command line |
| 01:32.09 | eifzon | cool (: |
| 01:32.11 | DawnLight | X over ssh :) |
| 01:32.13 | holycow | you can port forward |
| 01:32.22 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: if don't need it, just remove it... for permanent from /etc/init.d |
| 01:32.23 | holycow | you can ssh and then reverse the ssh session and let someone else take over |
| 01:32.24 | holycow | etc |
| 01:32.27 | RyanRyan52 | nfs over ssh is kind of unfun though... |
| 01:32.35 | eifzon | ApOgEE-: but I can still use ssh then? |
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| 01:32.41 | ApOgEE- | sure |
| 01:32.44 | eifzon | how to remove it? |
| 01:32.48 | holycow | RyanRyan52: yeah we use sshfs on a limited basis. works well |
| 01:32.55 | eifzon | rm /etc/init.d/ssh-server ? |
| 01:32.57 | holycow | apt-get remove --purge ssh? |
| 01:32.59 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: you can ssh without sftp server |
| 01:33.16 | eifzon | holycow: I still want ssh |
| 01:33.20 | DawnLight | openssh-server |
| 01:33.27 | ApOgEE- | sftp server is just for transfering file over ssh |
| 01:33.41 | eifzon | ApOgEE-: so how to remove it |
| 01:34.01 | RyanRyan52 | holycow: I couldn't do that cause to get to the nfs server I had to go throught another server that I don't have mount permissions on |
| 01:34.09 | holycow | *nod* |
| 01:34.11 | ApOgEE- | chmod -x the sftp-server on /etc/init.d |
| 01:34.28 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: or kill it |
| 01:34.43 | RyanRyan52 | killing is not permanent though...at next bootup it will be back |
| 01:34.59 | eifzon | ApOgEE-: I dont got sftp-server in /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:35.00 | ApOgEE- | RyanRyan52: agreed |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | eifzon: man update-rc.d |
| 01:35.20 | holycow | he's just making things up now |
| 01:35.28 | RyanRyan52 | heh |
| 01:35.31 | holycow | its part of ssh eifzon :) |
| 01:35.33 | ApOgEE- | hahaha |
| 01:35.55 | eifzon | so I can't disable it? cause I dont need it |
| 01:35.57 | ApOgEE- | find the line... maybe... i don't know |
| 01:36.02 | eifzon | I just need the SSH part |
| 01:36.04 | ApOgEE- | somewhere.. |
| 01:36.11 | ApOgEE- | in the start up |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | eifzon: use update-rc.d |
| 01:37.01 | ApOgEE- | i didn't use it here... i'm on ubuntu, should check my debian later |
| 01:37.08 | RyanRyan52 | abrotman: there is no /etc/init.d/sftp-server though |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | then what is he disabling ? |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | comment it out in inetd.conf ? |
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| 01:37.58 | RyanRyan52 | it doesn't use inetd |
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| 01:38.08 | ApOgEE- | did the sftp-server starts in inetd.conf... oh |
| 01:38.18 | Tramp | eifzon: remove the Subsystem in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (search for sftp there) |
| 01:38.18 | ApOgEE- | ? |
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| 01:38.56 | eifzon | Tramp: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 01:39.00 | Tramp | and people, please stop guessing and giving misleading advice. This is getting out of hand |
| 01:39.11 | RyanRyan52 | I'm not! |
| 01:39.13 | eifzon | Tramp: i removed that link now |
| 01:39.15 | Tramp | eifzon: yes. Remove this line and restart ssh |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | i thought he was using vsftpd ? |
| 01:39.26 | eifzon | abrotman: I am to |
| 01:39.37 | eifzon | Tramp: ok |
| 01:39.42 | holycow | so is it gone now? |
| 01:39.44 | eifzon | abrotman: I thik I am done now ;P |
| 01:39.46 | ApOgEE- | uh... ya |
| 01:39.46 | Tramp | a lot of people here seem to be a bit confused, to say it mildly |
| 01:39.46 | eifzon | lets see |
| 01:39.48 | eifzon | restarting it now |
| 01:40.01 | eifzon | d |
| 01:40.20 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: which debian are you using? |
| 01:40.27 | eifzon | etch |
| 01:40.36 | eifzon | Tramp: /etc/init.d/ssh restart ? |
| 01:40.45 | Tramp | eifzon: yes |
| 01:41.10 | RyanRyan52 | ohh...it is in /etc/ssh/sshd_config...I didn't see it at first...oops |
| 01:41.17 | eifzon | hmm |
| 01:41.21 | eifzon | It doesent look like its restarting |
| 01:41.25 | eifzon | it said Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. |
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| 01:41.32 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: it did |
| 01:41.38 | eifzon | I still can access the ftp ;s |
| 01:41.45 | RyanRyan52 | eifzon: ohh...it might have dropped your connection |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | is vsftpd still running ? |
| 01:41.54 | eifzon | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:41.58 | holycow | so ps aux | grep ftp ? |
| 01:42.08 | Tramp | eifzon: with which command are you accessing ftp? |
| 01:42.21 | holycow | eifzon: it most certainly isn't |
| 01:42.27 | holycow | according to your last post |
| 01:42.32 | holycow | you killed it and removed it |
| 01:42.33 | eifzon | i still see eifzon 3404 0.0 0.5 4232 1312 ? Ss 02:40 0:00 /usr/lib/sftp-server |
| 01:42.42 | holycow | its sftp thats running |
| 01:42.45 | Tramp | RyanRyan52: no. If you restart sshd, existing connections are not affected |
| 01:42.54 | eifzon | ya? it was that I wanted to remove, I did as Tramp said |
| 01:43.02 | RyanRyan52 | cool. I never had the guts to try it. :) |
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| 01:43.16 | holycow | i didn't know you could turn of sftpd by commenting out that line tho |
| 01:43.16 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: pastebin cat /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 01:43.27 | Tramp | eifzon: this connection was not affected by the restart. You will, however, not be able to establish a new connection with sftp |
| 01:43.41 | eifzon | Do I need to reboot or? |
| 01:43.42 | holycow | yeah try to ftp back into your ssh account |
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| 01:43.55 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: pastebin... cat /etc/init.d/ssh |
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| 01:44.00 | holycow | you must be using some sort of ftp client |
| 01:44.12 | RyanRyan52 | How do I switch my keyboard layout to dvorak? (in X) |
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| 01:44.16 | Tramp | eifzon: no - you once used sftp and did not drop this connection yet. As soon as you drop this connection, it will be gone |
| 01:44.36 | fizzlegig_ | hey all. I think I broke my kernel. on boot I'm at a grub menu with minimal bash like capability. The kernel is not loaded. This is a straight etch environment, I'd like to replace the kernel and reboot so as not to lose the data on the machine. can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 01:45.29 | wols_ | fizzlegig_: you didn't break your kernel but grub |
| 01:45.32 | Tramp | fizzlegig_: your kernel booted fine, but your root (/) could not be mounted. |
| 01:45.51 | RyanRyan52 | fizzlegig_: type configfile (hd0,00/grub/menu.list |
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| 01:46.04 | Tramp | fizzlegig_: ah, sorry. grub menu. So wols_ is right |
| 01:46.05 | fizzlegig_ | on typing 'boot' I get a message. Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting |
| 01:46.08 | eifzon | Tramp: its still spooky, if I connect threw my client to the sftp:// it starts the /usr/lib/sftp-server again |
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| 01:46.19 | RyanRyan52 | fizzlegig_: type configfile (hd0,0/grub/menu.list) |
| 01:46.25 | RyanRyan52 | fizzlegig_: type configfile (hd0,0)/grub/menu.list |
| 01:46.36 | RyanRyan52 | fizzlegig_: sorry...third times the charm :D |
| 01:46.39 | wols_ | fizzlegig_what partition is your grub installed to? where is your /boot? |
| 01:46.56 | Tramp | eifzon: then maybe the restart of sshd did indeed fail, though I don't know why. |
| 01:47.10 | fizzlegig_ | Error 15: File not found. |
| 01:47.16 | RyanRyan52 | fizzlegig_: type configfile (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.list |
| 01:47.18 | wols_ | fizzlegig_: answer me |
| 01:47.24 | fizzlegig_ | wols_: everything was stored in the single partition |
| 01:47.25 | eifzon | Tramp: I try reboot |
| 01:47.25 | eifzon | brb |
| 01:47.26 | RyanRyan52 | fizzlegig_: try that one |
| 01:47.34 | wols_ | fizzlegig_: fizzlegig_ answer me! |
| 01:47.38 | eifzon | or can it be anything else I have to change Tramp ? |
| 01:47.41 | fizzlegig_ | RyanRyan52: I okies. |
| 01:47.47 | fizzlegig_ | wols_: I did. |
| 01:47.52 | wols_ | no you did not |
| 01:48.13 | Tramp | eifzon: nothing I can think of. If you restart ssh, does it still "hang"? |
| 01:48.16 | fizzlegig_ | I'll confirm looking at the instructions I used to create, one moment |
| 01:48.17 | RyanRyan52 | 17:44 < fizzlegig_> wols_: everything was stored in the single partition |
| 01:48.29 | fizzlegig_ | I followed the 'Perfect Etch Setup' instructions. |
| 01:48.31 | wols_ | that is a non sequitur |
| 01:48.55 | fizzlegig_ | same error RyanRyan52 |
| 01:49.01 | eifzon | Tramp: hang? o |
| 01:49.10 | eifzon | I try reboot now, I will tell if it work after |
| 01:49.10 | eifzon | brb |
| 01:49.19 | RyanRyan52 | hrm... |
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| 01:49.25 | ApOgEE- | huhu |
| 01:49.28 | Tramp | eifzon: [02:41:23] <eifzon> It doesent look like its restarting |
| 01:49.40 | fizzlegig_ | err, hang on, I was typing .list and not .lst |
| 01:49.48 | fizzlegig_ | on running thta it went to the same thing. |
| 01:50.03 | fizzlegig_ | wols_: I'm checking what the partition table should look like after that install, one moment |
| 01:50.07 | abrotman | !beer Tramp |
| 01:50.24 | wols_ | fizzlegig_: I don't give a fuck what it SHOULD look like. I wanna know that it DOES look like |
| 01:50.25 | Tramp | abrotman: thanks. What for? |
| 01:50.32 | wols_ | unless you can' tell me that: go away |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | Tramp: eifzon :) |
| 01:50.57 | Tramp | abrotman: ah. ok - we'll see ... |
| 01:51.06 | fizzlegig_ | wols_: I can't answer what it does look like because I can't access the machine. I can tell you what it was supposed to look like having followed the instructions (which I did). if that doesn't help, okies. |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | Tramp: or not .. |
| 01:51.13 | Tramp | *g* |
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| 01:52.29 | DawnLight | holy shreekazoids |
| 01:52.29 | ApOgEE- | huh |
| 01:52.29 | wols_ | !tell fizzlegig_ about rescue |
| 01:52.29 | DawnLight | pithagoras the great |
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| 01:52.31 | eifzon | lol |
| 01:52.31 | eifzon | I told I fixed it |
| 01:52.31 | eifzon | and all came |
| 01:52.31 | eifzon | wtf cool |
| 01:52.31 | wols_ | pythagoras is even better! |
| 01:52.31 | ApOgEE- | huhu |
| 01:52.36 | ApOgEE- | wtf |
| 01:52.43 | DawnLight | PITA-gore-a.. |
| 01:52.45 | eifzon | do I use sftp:// or ftp:// if I wanna connect to my vsftp? ;p |
| 01:52.49 | abrotman | DawnLight: pythagoras IIRC |
| 01:52.52 | RyanRyan52 | ftp |
| 01:52.55 | wols_ | eifzon: ftp:// |
| 01:52.57 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:52.58 | eifzon | lol |
| 01:53.06 | ApOgEE- | :D |
| 01:53.09 | eifzon | root 2028 0.0 0.3 3512 932 ? Ss 02:50 0:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd |
| 01:53.12 | eifzon | seems like it working now ;o |
| 01:53.36 | fizzlegig_ | reading about rescue now |
| 01:53.42 | Tramp | eifzon: and sftp should not work anymore - although the two are unrelated |
| 01:53.48 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:53.55 | eifzon | I did remove /usr/sbin/sftp-server to ;P |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:54.10 | eifzon | still works!? i got no errors |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | eifzon: stop trying to destroy your system |
| 01:54.21 | eifzon | abrotman: I am not trying to.. or wanting to |
| 01:54.32 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: good luck |
| 01:54.32 | DawnLight | while you are |
| 01:54.41 | eifzon | huh? |
| 01:55.18 | RyanRyan52 | ApOgEE-: ur not gonna retire? |
| 01:55.19 | DawnLight | debian is nice. it does what you tell it to. don't get violent with it |
| 01:55.27 | eifzon | DawnLight: ;P |
| 01:55.33 | eifzon | hmm, wierd I cannot connect to my ftp |
| 01:55.54 | ApOgEE- | RyanRyan52: hahaha.. donno when, haven't got retirement plan yet |
| 01:56.05 | ApOgEE- | bye all... |
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| 01:57.09 | eifzon | root 2028 0.0 0.3 3512 932 ? Ss 02:50 0:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd |
| 01:57.13 | eifzon | Response:500 OOPS: could not open chroot() list file:/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list |
| 01:57.15 | eifzon | hmm |
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| 01:58.00 | eifzon | success |
| 01:58.01 | eifzon | fixed it ;P |
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| 01:59.16 | DA-Laptop | Hello |
| 01:59.50 | DA-Laptop | I'm experiencing a strange problem during video playback (both in xine and vlc). Occasionally, the computer simply freezes completely and I have to do a hard reboot |
| 01:59.53 | DawnLight | !greet DA-Laptop |
| 01:59.53 | dpkg | Tag, DA-Laptop |
| 02:00.10 | DawnLight | DA-Laptop: using etch? |
| 02:00.16 | DA-Laptop | Sid |
| 02:00.23 | DawnLight | can't help ya |
| 02:00.26 | DawnLight | sorry |
| 02:00.34 | DA-Laptop | Why not? |
| 02:00.57 | DA-Laptop | It's the Unstable branch, yes, but you could at least try.. please? :) |
| 02:01.19 | DA-Laptop | I've been using it since before summer and have had the same problem all along... I just never bothered to do anything about it before now |
| 02:01.19 | wols_ | !sid |
| 02:01.19 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
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| 02:01.36 | DA-Laptop | I tried running memtest, but that didn't reveal anything new. |
| 02:01.36 | DawnLight | i really can't. don't have the slightest idea of debugging those things. only thing i can tell you is that you should use etch |
| 02:01.38 | amphi | DA-Laptop: mplayer also? |
| 02:01.56 | amphi | DawnLight: why? I really should use testing, for example |
| 02:01.57 | DA-Laptop | amphi: For various problems, I don't use mplayer at all. |
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| 02:02.25 | amphi | DA-Laptop: ah, well - it has always worked well for me, I never tried another |
| 02:02.45 | DA-Laptop | Okay.. I've always used xine |
| 02:02.59 | DA-Laptop | Works fine on the desktop, but on this laptop... well, not so good, as you can see. |
| 02:03.07 | DawnLight | amphi: you're welcome to do so. i encourage you to use testing on non-critical machines |
| 02:03.37 | DA-Laptop | These are privately owned computers - mine. I've got no servers or anything that needs anywhere near 100% uptime... |
| 02:03.38 | DawnLight | you should be aware of the differences between testing and stable, tough |
| 02:03.39 | amphi | DawnLight: sure, this is on my laptop - I've really had any problem with it |
| 02:04.15 | eifzon | ahh everything seems working now :) |
| 02:04.16 | DA-Laptop | I find it strange, too, that running a 3D game like Enemy Territory: Quake Wars works just fine |
| 02:04.33 | DA-Laptop | But playing back a video - usually longer ones, but still - freezes the machine |
| 02:04.50 | DA-Laptop | My hard drive has LUKS encryption, might that have something to do with it? |
| 02:04.54 | DawnLight | DA-Laptop: you'll find that sid brakes in various ways. i like to know that i have my box when i need it |
| 02:04.55 | amphi | DawnLight: er, not not had any problem |
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| 02:05.08 | eifzon | hmm |
| 02:05.17 | DA-Laptop | DawnLight: I know, I've used sid for ages. |
| 02:05.28 | eifzon | how come it doesent work for me to just be avaible to access the home folder? talking 'vsftpd' now |
| 02:05.31 | DA-Laptop | But this problem I think is specific to this laptop, for whatever reason... |
| 02:05.45 | DA-Laptop | I'm just trying to figure out what causes the problem |
| 02:06.00 | DawnLight | DA-Laptop: sounds like a driver bug but could be other things |
| 02:06.05 | DA-Laptop | the logs, like dmesg and syslog, show nothing - they stop logging, too. |
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| 02:07.47 | DA-Laptop | Might LUKS encryption have something to do with it? Since maybe if some blocks of data got damaged or un-decryptable or something, could that cause a freeze? |
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| 02:08.23 | amphi | DA-Laptop: doubt it - is this using xv output? if so, you could try x11 output and see if it still occurs |
| 02:08.44 | DA-Laptop | It uses whatever xine usually uses, but I'll give it a go |
| 02:09.36 | amphi | DA-Laptop: I would imagine xv by default |
| 02:10.21 | DA-Laptop | ok... |
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| 02:14.11 | DA-Laptop | amphi: x11 isn't there, trying with opengl instead |
| 02:14.32 | amphi | ... |
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| 02:17.32 | fizzlegig_ | I've read that section on rescue using d-i but I need help understanding how to get into a rescue environment. I have a netinstall disk if needed, and on boot go to the grub> prompt. |
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| 02:18.41 | leonardo | anyone knows why frostwire is no on debian repo? |
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| 02:18.47 | Supaplex | !tell fizzlegig_ -about rescue |
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| 02:20.09 | Supaplex | !tell leonardo -about gift |
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| 02:20.46 | leonardo | thnaks supaplex |
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| 02:20.48 | Supaplex | np |
| 02:20.50 | fizzlegig_ | Supaplex: I have read that, but I don't understand what to do using that information. it says that I can use d-i to boot the system to chroot but now how to do that. I've booted with the netinstall disk and used rescue but it appears to just start the normal install. perhaps I didn't let it go far enough |
| 02:20.58 | fizzlegig_ | I'll give that another try |
| 02:20.58 | leonardo | will see if works |
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| 02:21.27 | Supaplex | fizzlegig_: open a shell, mount filesystems you want, chroot /path |
| 02:22.05 | eifzon | why do I get this when I try to enter a folder in my ftp, using *vsftpd* |
| 02:22.06 | eifzon | Response:550 Failed to change directory. |
| 02:22.06 | eifzon | Error:Failed to retrieve directory listing |
| 02:22.08 | japc | fscking bizarre discussiong about dopewars |
| 02:22.16 | fizzlegig_ | the system doesn't boot so I can't open a shell. I see that the install is in rescue mode though, so I'll just be a bit more patient, see if I can figure it out |
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| 02:22.30 | Supaplex | prod the installer along until it lets you review partitioining of disks. it has to at least detect hardware. then switch to tty2 |
| 02:22.39 | Supaplex | the installer has one :) |
| 02:22.51 | holycow | back |
| 02:22.56 | fizzlegig_ | okies, I'll ask when I get there if that doesn't work or I get lost. thank you |
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| 02:23.04 | holycow | eifzon: hehe still muckin around eh? |
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| 02:23.10 | holycow | at least you got vsftpd running |
| 02:23.13 | eifzon | holycow: yah, soon done :) I can login etc |
| 02:23.14 | eifzon | hehe yes |
| 02:23.21 | holycow | i love that ftp server, extremely fast |
| 02:23.22 | leonardo | supaplex, as i can see itchi s for kde. i use gnome |
| 02:23.26 | eifzon | it is ;P |
| 02:23.35 | holycow | ... if you can log in |
| 02:23.36 | holycow | ... |
| 02:23.38 | holycow | just buggin ya |
| 02:23.39 | holycow | :) |
| 02:23.42 | guk | supaplex was an awsome game |
| 02:23.48 | guk | with the little red pac man |
| 02:23.49 | Supaplex | leonardo: you can use kde apps in any wm. |
| 02:23.58 | Supaplex | guk: yup :) |
| 02:24.01 | Supaplex | !supaplex |
| 02:24.01 | dpkg | somebody said supaplex was a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has atleast 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
| 02:24.08 | leonardo | ok |
| 02:24.32 | Supaplex | and a few kde apps here and there |
| 02:24.38 | leonardo | what about Apollon? |
| 02:24.46 | leonardo | supaplex |
| 02:24.53 | eifzon | Let's see if it works now then ;) |
| 02:25.11 | Supaplex | never used apollon myself. |
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| 02:25.29 | leonardo | wok |
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| 02:27.46 | leonardo | didn't like gift |
| 02:27.49 | leonardo | can't open |
| 02:27.54 | eifzon | SUCCESS holycow YEY!! |
| 02:27.55 | fizzlegig_ | okies, I'm on the system and can back up the data now before trying to fix the actual problem. Thank you very much |
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| 02:29.59 | Supaplex | cool :) |
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| 02:30.29 | eifzon | hmm |
| 02:30.46 | eifzon | how do I link like /var/ftp with /var/www ? |
| 02:31.06 | fizzlegig_ | now I just have to backup 35gb of data over scp: ) |
| 02:31.20 | asg | eifzon: man ln |
| 02:31.38 | eifzon | asg: doh ;P |
| 02:31.41 | phorce1 | hmmm -- freenode quit calling itself #debian-overflow on my irssi status line. Now I can't tell whether I'm on freenode#debian or oftc#debian (except they a;ways load in the same irssi window numbers) |
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| 02:32.04 | amphi | phorce1: this is freenode ;) |
| 02:32.09 | amphi | I think |
| 02:32.12 | asg | amphi: no it isn't |
| 02:32.24 | amphi | heh |
| 02:32.24 | phorce1 | amphi: yes it is ;-) |
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| 02:42.37 | ApOgEE- | hi all |
| 02:42.39 | ApOgEE- | :D |
| 02:43.14 | iateadonut | eifzon, i missed the beginning of your problem, but maybe you should mount one partition both at /var/www/ and /var/ftp |
| 02:44.34 | eifzon | I forgot iateadonut, I already had a folder called /var/ftp so I had to remove it first ;p |
| 02:44.59 | ApOgEE- | eifzon, still got problem? |
| 02:45.01 | eifzon | no |
| 02:45.03 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.06 | eifzon | done for tonight i suppose ;( |
| 02:45.07 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.07 | wols | grrr |
| 02:45.22 | Supaplex | i-atead-o-nut lol |
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| 02:46.16 | genbuntu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.43 | DawnLight | genbuntu: what disro? |
| 02:46.49 | Supaplex | genbuntu: strace |
| 02:47.13 | genbuntu | I'm using ubuntu :) |
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| 02:47.25 | DawnLight | use debian |
| 02:47.34 | genbuntu | Supaplex, k lemme try strace |
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| 02:47.47 | abrotman | genbuntu: ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:48.05 | arcticpenguin380 | Is JFS2 in Debian? |
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| 02:48.36 | abrotman | when did it enter the mainstream kernel ? |
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| 02:48.45 | genbuntu | abrotman, ya did try there but couldn't get much out of it. Anyway, nessus is a general tool so #ubuntu would't make a difference |
| 02:48.53 | abrotman | genbuntu: then go to ##linux |
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| 02:49.18 | DawnLight | genbuntu: debian loves ya |
| 02:49.25 | genbuntu | abrotman, lol.. actually just tried there also. no reply yet :( |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | genbuntu: tough shit ... you're not using Debian .. go away |
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| 02:49.51 | DawnLight | should install it, then |
| 02:49.58 | genbuntu | lol @abrotman |
| 02:50.03 | abrotman | i'm not joking |
| 02:50.07 | DawnLight | he's not |
| 02:50.14 | DawnLight | unfortunately |
| 02:50.17 | Supaplex | we're no oppose to some other distro. we constantly inndated with wannabe debian dists. sorry :) |
| 02:50.23 | arcticpenguin380 | i mean is JFS in debin |
| 02:50.28 | genbuntu | Supaplex, what parameters shall i use with strace? |
| 02:50.31 | dondelelcaro | it's alright; he's hopefully gotten the message and we can move on. |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | arcticpenguin380: yes .. JFS is available in debian |
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| 02:50.51 | Supaplex | genbuntu: ask the man page. -e might help. |
| 02:51.16 | genbuntu | but nessus is a common unix tool, i guess any and all commands for its use should be the same? shouldnt it? |
| 02:51.41 | DawnLight | genbuntu: this isn't a general unix channel |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | genbuntu: this channel is to support Debian users .. there is #ubuntu, ##linux and #nessus .. please try one of those |
| 02:52.06 | genbuntu | oh, ok |
| 02:53.14 | eifzon | hmm, If I wanna connect to my ftp threw http using vsftpd, do I need to enable anything then? |
| 02:53.36 | lunitik | abrotman: When'd they give you ops? :P |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | do you just join and check the access list? |
| 02:54.14 | lunitik | abrotman: hah, no, you were the last to change the topic :o |
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| 02:55.51 | wols | topicpr0n? |
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| 02:56.38 | DawnLight | thats rude |
| 02:56.50 | wols | team up with Supaplex DawnLight. you can found a topic pervert's club |
| 02:57.10 | Supaplex | </satire> |
| 02:57.11 | zamuro | Gee... I'm gonna need some therapy after this- |
| 02:57.21 | lispy | I'm using the current lenny installer and when I'm at the step for selecting packages to install it says, "/cdrom:Please insert the disc labeled: 'Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 CD Binary-1 20080225-10:40' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter. |
| 02:57.37 | lispy | I haven't removed the CD or anything like taht. I tried re-inserting it, no luck. |
| 02:57.48 | DawnLight | lispy: use etch |
| 02:57.50 | lispy | And the install seems to be stuck here, I can't go back |
| 02:58.10 | lispy | DawnLight: is etch == stable at the moment? |
| 02:58.15 | DawnLight | right |
| 02:58.19 | Supaplex | lispy: no. see topic. |
| 02:58.36 | Supaplex | s/no/yes/ |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | lispy: use an http source? |
| 02:58.43 | lispy | this is not #ubuntu? |
| 02:58.47 | Supaplex | itym lenny == for a sec. |
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| 02:58.50 | lispy | abrotman: I am actually |
| 02:58.55 | lispy | itym? |
| 02:59.02 | Supaplex | i thought you meant |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | lispy: is it trying to install package? |
| 02:59.19 | abrotman | packages |
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| 02:59.32 | lispy | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:59.41 | lispy | I'm using the expertgui boot option |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | lispy: i'm trying to remember if it uses the /target/etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:00.20 | lispy | I checked /cdrom/.disk.info and it matches the requested version |
| 03:00.26 | lispy | it's like it's got a bug, actually |
| 03:00.35 | arcticpenguin380 | how often is a new release of debian made? |
| 03:00.56 | lispy | Exiting subroutine via next at /usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress line 155, <STDIN> line 5. |
| 03:01.04 | dondelelcaro | arcticpenguin380: major releases happen around every two years or so |
| 03:01.47 | lispy | is there a secret "go back" button? |
| 03:01.55 | ApOgEE- | eifzon, i got the solution for your sftp-server |
| 03:02.06 | eifzon | ApOgEE-: I have fixed it |
| 03:02.37 | ApOgEE- | comment the line: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/sftp-server |
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| 03:02.50 | ApOgEE- | in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:03.00 | eifzon | ApOgEE-: did it like 1h ago :D |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | ApOgEE-: they got him fixed up awhile ago |
| 03:03.14 | lispy | I guess I'll reboot the installer and try again... |
| 03:03.16 | arcticpenguin380 | why every 2 years? |
| 03:03.19 | ApOgEE- | i see... |
| 03:03.21 | cafuego | why not? |
| 03:03.31 | ApOgEE- | just see it in my debian |
| 03:03.32 | ApOgEE- | hehe |
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| 03:03.53 | ApOgEE- | i'm in da office now |
| 03:03.58 | Supaplex | ffs unionfs-source ftbfs :( |
| 03:03.59 | ApOgEE- | :p |
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| 03:04.40 | ApOgEE- | i thought you delete the /usr/lib/sftp-server :p |
| 03:05.24 | Supaplex | ah ha. this is bts #443482 and has a fix someplace. hummm |
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| 03:07.35 | arcticpenguin380 | is debian more stable then ubuntu |
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| 03:09.18 | Supaplex | fuq yea |
| 03:09.37 | arcticpenguin380 | can i install debian with 1 cd? |
| 03:09.47 | Supaplex | you only need netinst if you have internet |
| 03:09.54 | Supaplex | !tell arcticpenguin380 -about netinst |
| 03:10.13 | arcticpenguin380 | im wireless |
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| 03:10.36 | lispy | I should probably be using the netinst because of this problem with not recognizing the CD...so weird, the CD seems to be valid |
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| 03:11.29 | Supaplex | I don't know how hard it is to setup+install baremetal when you only have wireless. going wired is nearly a sure bet (barring hardware compaitbility of course) |
| 03:12.30 | Supaplex | lispy: testing's installer is still a moving target. #debian-boot might have better answers about it. that's why we suggest stable. |
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| 03:13.21 | lispy | last weeks amd64 insaller worked great tho, so I thought i'd try the x86 this week :) |
| 03:13.24 | lispy | Thanks tho |
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| 03:16.30 | abrotman | lispy: here's the thing .. they break stuff all the time |
| 03:16.54 | lispy | if i manually remove the CD from the apt sources, do you know what command to issue during the install that is equivalent to sudo apt-get update? |
| 03:18.11 | abrotman | apt-get update ? |
| 03:18.26 | lispy | well, apt-get is not in my path |
| 03:18.30 | lispy | because it's the installer |
| 03:19.02 | Supaplex | ~fix lispy's cd |
| 03:19.02 | apt | ACTION opens the hood of lispy's cd , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 03:19.33 | lispy | it would appear that the installer ignores /target/etc/apt |
| 03:19.40 | lispy | bummer |
| 03:20.05 | abrotman | lispy: which stage are you at ? |
| 03:20.25 | lispy | "Select and install software" is the one I get stuck at |
| 03:20.48 | lispy | right now i'm on the menu, I just finished "Configure the package manager" |
| 03:21.26 | lispy | I told it to use the OSU OSL debian mirror, but it insists that the CD in still an option, even though I commented it out in /target/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:22.05 | lispy | Maybe I'll just skip the install software step and install grub and try to do it that way |
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| 03:24.25 | wols | lispy: disable everything in that menu and continue |
| 03:24.44 | wols | don't install anything there you can do that anytime later by running "tasksel" or install stuff you want with aptitude |
| 03:25.12 | lispy | Actually, the menu for installing software wouldn't load so that wouldn't work. But, i'll just install my packages later. This will make it even easier to get postfix instead of exim4 :) |
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| 03:25.39 | lispy | Yeah, by skipping that step I was able to install grub, my other Os's still boot, so now it's time to complete my deb install |
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| 03:26.42 | yyeago | can I just throw a shell script into my /etc/cron.daily and expect it to run daily? |
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| 03:27.39 | abrotman | lispy: well .. i grabbed the installer and tried it in qemu .. you got way farther than i did |
| 03:27.45 | abrotman | oh .. there it goes |
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| 03:29.36 | jaggz- | my namevirtualhost isn't working. is there some security thing that's doing this? (I found an SElinux post saying "Try typing 'setenforce 0'" which worked for the 'same' problem with someone) |
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| 03:36.47 | lispy | yay, now i'm running tasksel and all is happy. Thanks all! |
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| 03:49.06 | subsume | What would be the best way to use CRON to send an email (from a postgres database) every day? have bash script dump mysql result into a text file, then read it...then....or....? |
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| 03:49.18 | dryrot | does apt-proxy ever hang all of the time, for anyone ? |
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| 03:49.56 | abrotman | dryrot: it has to download |
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| 03:50.04 | abrotman | subsume: you want to send the dump ? |
| 03:50.16 | subsume | abrotman: no sir. I want to choose someone from a table and email them. |
| 03:50.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | probably easier to have the cron job call a script that does it |
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| 03:50.53 | dryrot | abrotman: i always get this error: http://pastebin.com/m452391d7 |
| 03:50.56 | subsume | a bash script? abrotman |
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| 03:51.12 | abrotman | subsume: some sort of script .. bash .. python .. whatever |
| 03:51.25 | abrotman | dryrot: oh .. that i've not seen |
| 03:51.30 | subsume | abrotman: not understanding how to get the result from db into bash... |
| 03:52.10 | abrotman | you'd have to feed pgsql a script and have it store the results somewhere you can get |
| 03:52.24 | subsume | should i dump it into a text file, then read the contents? would that be ugly? |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | probably |
| 03:53.12 | subsume | probably ugly? |
| 03:53.24 | subsume | gee that's chicken or egg. I'm not very good with bash scripts. |
| 03:53.46 | \amethyst | subsume: so what programming languages are you good at? |
| 03:54.09 | subsume | Hmm. Fine question. I suppose I could use anything. |
| 03:54.11 | M7DNYTE | So, I'm having an issue with symbolic links on a debian webserver without ssh access at the moment... Anyone know of any ways that I can think through this issue? |
| 03:54.25 | subsume | Thanks for the duh \amethyst |
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| 03:54.57 | \amethyst | subsume: I suspect it will be easier to write this using Perl with DBI and Mail::Send than to do it in bash |
| 03:55.07 | subsume | Yeah. Good call. I'm a dope. |
| 03:55.17 | subsume | I was excited to do some bash. =) |
| 03:55.35 | subsume | M7DNYTE: elaborate please. |
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| 03:56.52 | RyanRyan52 | M7DNYTE: To fix it, your probably going to need ssh :D |
| 03:57.22 | subsume | I wonder if there is some simple way to discern a symlink from a file with FTP. |
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| 03:57.42 | RyanRyan52 | who said anything about ftp? |
| 03:57.50 | subsume | if he can't SSH...how else is he seeing it? |
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| 03:58.00 | RyanRyan52 | http... |
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| 03:58.18 | M7DNYTE | Ok, so basically, there are two directories, public_http, and www, where www is the symlink. |
| 03:58.18 | M7DNYTE | The link got messed up, and now nothing works. Trying to code on this site someone else set up, and nothing is happening |
| 03:58.18 | M7DNYTE | The error stated in the logs is that .htaccess cannot be found |
| 03:58.18 | M7DNYTE | And the page renders blank html. |
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| 03:59.41 | M7DNYTE | Sorry got spam booted. |
| 03:59.51 | fizzlegig_ | thanks for the help guys, restore is in progress now. Cheers. |
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| 04:02.07 | M7DNYTE | RyanRyan52: stupid unregistered nick prevents me from pming... |
| 04:02.07 | subsume | M7DNYTE: the link got 'messed up'? you say its blank? have you checked PHP (or wtvr scripting language) error logs? |
| 04:02.07 | subsume | or apache for that matter |
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| 04:02.15 | M7DNYTE | Yeah, checked the logs, states that .htaccess cannot be found in /public_html |
| 04:02.17 | M7DNYTE | Havent checked apache though |
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| 04:02.31 | M7DNYTE | Trying to figure out how... This cpanel app is very lackluster... |
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| 04:03.10 | subsume | hmm...apache log would prove quite vital in this matter i would expect. |
| 04:03.22 | subsume | blank page is prolly server error 500. what log says .htaccess is not found? |
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| 04:04.11 | M7DNYTE | subsume: checking |
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| 04:05.30 | M7DNYTE | subsume: The icon actually just says "Error Log"... |
| 04:05.43 | RyanRyan52 | reiche:/usr/local/configs/new_fw/iptables# iptables --policy FORWARD REJECT |
| 04:05.43 | RyanRyan52 | iptables: Bad policy name |
| 04:05.50 | RyanRyan52 | anybody know what I did wrong? |
| 04:06.14 | M7DNYTE | DLing the "Raw Log" file now... |
| 04:06.17 | RyanRyan52 | or how to do that... |
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| 04:06.48 | subsume | M7DNYTE: k. is this accessing plain html or .php or something? |
| 04:07.08 | subsume | if so, keep poking around for php log. probably scour the ftp root. |
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| 04:08.01 | M7DNYTE | subsume: Hmmm, I'll have to try that, actually. 5 mins. |
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| 04:09.08 | Supaplex | they must of fixed something seriously nice in sid's kmail (or some dep therein). ever since I updated a few days ago, it's WORKING for a %*@$(%*@ change! \o/ no more laggy stupidnesses |
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| 04:10.32 | subsume | Supaplex: please don't be alarmed. The next update will return everything back to %*@$(%*@ normal. |
| 04:11.07 | Supaplex | I'm not touchiching it :) |
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| 04:12.02 | RyanRyan52 | yay! no lag |
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| 04:13.08 | Supaplex | and it's responsive enough, it suggests it's not resource starved. previously 2.6ghz+1.5gb ram just wasn't enough :P |
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| 04:17.06 | M7DNYTE | Ok, found "error_log" in the public_html directory; most recent entry is "[28-Feb-2008 23:09:33] PHP Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0 |
| 04:17.08 | M7DNYTE | [28-Feb-2008 23:09:33] PHP Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/home/photogra/public_html/test.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in Unknown on line 0"...? |
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| 04:17.16 | [JFET] | hi all |
| 04:17.26 | [JFET] | can somebody help me with nss(-pgsql)? |
| 04:17.48 | [JFET] | i managed it to handle users, but i cannot get it to deal with groups |
| 04:17.52 | [JFET] | any ideas? |
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| 04:19.38 | M7DNYTE | Yeah, no logs directory, and the other log is ftp access... |
| 04:19.58 | subsume | That error isn't good enough? =) |
| 04:20.10 | subsume | M7DNYTE: does that error sound related? |
| 04:21.00 | M7DNYTE | Yes, it does, actually... Before, we were getting an "Access Forbidden" error. |
| 04:21.37 | M7DNYTE | Still floating between null pages, Access forbidden, and now, Internal Server Error |
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| 04:22.01 | subsume | M7DNYTE: who does test.php belong to? apache? |
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| 04:22.37 | Supaplex | try adding a regular logfile for php to write somplace to in your php.ini. there might be errors it's not showing on the screen or even in the apache logs. |
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| 04:23.40 | landwork | if I am using nullmailer, where is the configuration for the relay in debian? |
| 04:23.45 | M7DNYTE | I can't see... Don't have ssh and the ftp client I am using doesnt show... |
| 04:23.53 | keith4_ | i have an LVM across 4 disks, one of which I think is failing. can i shrink the filesystem, shrink the lv, remove the pv from the vg? |
| 04:23.56 | landwork | i know i've configured it to relay to a server with port 97.. but can't find the configuration anywhere |
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| 04:24.18 | Supaplex | landwork: dpkg -s nullmailer (or use dpkg-reconfigure) |
| 04:24.22 | subsume | M7DNYTE: you say this was all working before hand? |
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| 04:24.32 | keith4_ | landwork: /etc/nullmailer |
| 04:24.34 | M7DNYTE | Supaplex: Lemme see if I can do that |
| 04:24.45 | landwork | keith: that's what I thought, but it's not specifying the port. |
| 04:24.46 | landwork | hmmm |
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| 04:25.34 | M7DNYTE | subsume: yeah, it was all working beforehand... |
| 04:25.47 | subsume | M7DNYTE: you overwrote the files or something? |
| 04:26.19 | M7DNYTE | Nope. Added a directory, and then deleted it in dreamweaver. That was all... |
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| 04:26.50 | subsume | M7DNYTE: You added.... a directory but not the directory givin you problems? |
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| 04:27.34 | M7DNYTE | Exactly. It was a directory(eai_testing) inside the directory(www) giving me problems. |
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| 04:33.33 | subsume | M7DNYTE: what's the problem with ssh again? =) |
| 04:34.11 | M7DNYTE | subsume: can;t create access through cpanel. |
| 04:34.13 | M7DNYTE | On a side note, got it working again... |
| 04:34.25 | subsume | What did you do? |
| 04:35.33 | M7DNYTE | Well, we asked this other person to change permissions to 644... Magically, that worked. I am unsure why, cause when we were brute forcing everything, we changed it to 777... |
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| 04:36.03 | M7DNYTE | Well, rather, he came to that conclusion on his own... |
| 04:37.13 | wols | ssh doesb't like to give the world+dog full access for various security related things |
| 04:37.25 | M7DNYTE | I understand the numbers, but the reasoning I am unsure of |
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| 04:38.00 | M7DNYTE | Yeah, this is true, but still a little bit of a different issue, methinks |
| 04:38.34 | M7DNYTE | Ahh, some of the neccesary files were still 770, for some reason. |
| 04:39.52 | M7DNYTE | Many thanks for the help here, though. It was much appreciated... |
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| 04:43.13 | Aaron_Mason | with tcpsvd, how can one make it so that the text entered isn't echoed back? i tried using stty (-)echo, but I get an error on the server side saying "Invalid Argument" |
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| 04:48.37 | Supaplex | Aaron_Mason: was that a literal (-)echo? or did you mean -echo ? |
| 04:50.03 | Aaron_Mason | Supaplex, i mean a stty -echo and then a stty echo after it |
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| 04:50.24 | Aaron_Mason | s/it/the input/ |
| 04:51.24 | icedtea | anyone know why pivot_root keeps saying no such file or directory when everything looks ok? |
| 04:52.31 | Aaron_Mason | icedtea, what kernel? |
| 04:52.56 | icedtea | 2.6.22-3 |
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| 04:53.38 | icedtea | I've used it before, but its been awhile and this has a different layout |
| 04:54.14 | Aaron_Mason | have you tried switch_root? pivot_root has issues with 2.6 kernels it seems |
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| 04:54.52 | piju | hello, i got problem with gnome-osd, when i start , i got this bugs http://pastebin.org/21792 |
| 04:55.04 | Aaron_Mason | oh, what kind of root device are you using? initramfs or or initrd? |
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| 04:55.41 | Aaron_Mason | if you're using initramfs, you can't use pivot_root |
| 04:55.52 | icedtea | ahh thats why |
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| 04:56.24 | Aaron_Mason | yeah, cos initramfs archives are extracted to rootfs, and you can't unmount that (which is what pivot_root tries to do) |
| 04:56.48 | icedtea | how do I set the root filesystem then, mount / /dev/hda3 doesn't set it |
| 04:56.57 | Aaron_Mason | use switch_root |
| 04:57.03 | keith4_ | how do I shrink ext3? |
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| 04:57.27 | Supaplex | keith4_: resize2fs |
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| 04:58.09 | Aaron_Mason | mount /dev/hda3 to something else (say, /switch) and switch_root /switch /sbin/init (any arguments you need) |
| 04:58.46 | keith4_ | Supaplex: oh yah, thanks |
| 04:58.47 | Supaplex | keith4_: if the kernel and filesystem support it, you can do 'live online' resizing too :) |
| 04:58.55 | keith4_ | not necessary |
| 04:59.38 | icedtea | Aaron_Mason: weird, switch_root isn't in initramfs. I have it from a custom linux build though |
| 05:00.04 | piju | hello, i got problem with gnome-osd, when i start , i got this bugs http://pastebin.org/21792 |
| 05:00.08 | Aaron_Mason | if it doesn't work, you can try compiling busybox with just switch_root enabled |
| 05:00.29 | Aaron_Mason | ok, back to my issue, is there a way to prevent typing from appearing when running a script through tcpsvd? |
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| 05:22.49 | k-man_ | when i log in to debian using gdm over vnc, and use gnome, my keyboard mapping gets screwed up after gnome loads |
| 05:23.05 | k-man_ | but if i log in on the real terminal, its fine |
| 05:23.15 | DawnLight | k-man_: etch? |
| 05:23.25 | k-man_ | also, if i use fluxbox or some other window manager, the keyboard mapping is ok |
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| 05:23.29 | k-man_ | DawnLight, yeah |
| 05:23.48 | DawnLight | k-man_: checked bug reports? |
| 05:24.06 | k-man_ | DawnLight, i can't work out what to search for |
| 05:24.23 | k-man_ | i think its a gnome bug |
| 05:24.23 | DawnLight | me neither |
| 05:24.59 | DawnLight | i didn't know gnome can have such a bug |
| 05:25.18 | k-man_ | DawnLight, in fact, i have had this bug since i installed etch ages ago |
| 05:25.52 | Supaplex | those pesky gnomes |
| 05:26.22 | k-man_ | DawnLight, there seems to be a few reports of the same problem with ubuntu |
| 05:26.44 | DawnLight | i wouldn't know where to start |
| 05:26.55 | k-man_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=647457 |
| 05:26.56 | DawnLight | any leads? |
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| 05:27.57 | k-man_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-411949.html |
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| 05:31.35 | k-man_ | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/815d4cdb1c5fe332/9e7d8a1c4736264c?lnk=raot |
| 05:31.39 | k-man_ | this seems to discuss it a bit |
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| 05:36.09 | BubbaT | I want to run a weekly cron job, what happens if the computer is off when the job is supposed to run? |
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| 05:36.37 | enouf | BubbaT: anacron |
| 05:37.35 | enouf | see /usr/share/doc/cron/README.anacron |
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| 05:42.12 | enouf | BubbaT: apt-cache show anacron |
| 05:42.53 | BubbaT | enouf, thanks |
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| 05:46.13 | iateadonut | subsume: phpmailer |
| 05:46.25 | subsume | iateadonut: hmpf |
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| 05:46.42 | subsume | iateadonut: yeah. dead simple solution. That's why I love #debian. |
| 05:47.14 | USN1520 | ran gparted but the gui just sticks in "scanning devices", any ideas |
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| 05:49.50 | k-man_ | is there an xorg client for win32? |
| 05:50.01 | k-man_ | sorry, i mean xserver |
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| 05:51.54 | harpal | k-man_: for What? remote desktop? |
| 05:52.15 | k-man_ | harpal, i mean, is there an xserver that will run on a windows box |
| 05:52.22 | k-man_ | ? |
| 05:52.36 | harpal | k-man_: sorry no idea |
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| 05:53.52 | string | anyone got a solution for an unreadable external hd with a corrupt filesystem? |
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| 05:54.41 | string | won't mount, doesn't seem to be in /dev and gparted just hangs |
| 05:55.21 | subsume | string -- i find good responses for that in #hardware =) |
| 05:55.48 | string | since I'm using Etch I thought here would be more appropriate |
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| 05:56.10 | subsume | why not both? =) |
| 05:58.29 | dryrot | i just want to be able to mail -s 'hi' username@gmail.com from a box. what package do i need? do i really need to install exim ? |
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| 05:59.19 | enouf | subsume: two or more places _at_the_same_time_ is frowned upon |
| 05:59.40 | _go_od_day | similar utility to psmon in c for embedded debian |
| 05:59.54 | _go_od_day | or any other language. |
| 06:01.05 | harpal | _go_od_day: I think psmon uses perl not c |
| 06:01.06 | enouf | string: are you the USNxxxx person? |
| 06:01.34 | string | enouf I have no clue what you mean |
| 06:01.43 | enouf | string: no worries |
| 06:01.51 | enouf | [00:46:53] <USN1520> ran gparted but the gui just sticks in "scanning devices", any ideas |
| 06:01.52 | kingsley | dryrot: You might want to learn about the packages reported by the following command: apt-cache search mail-transport-agent | less |
| 06:02.02 | _go_od_day | harpal: yes, agree. debian in embedded board does not have perl so I cannt use psmon. Thus I am looking for similar utility. |
| 06:02.16 | enouf | string: autopsy, foremost, ddrescu, dd_rhelp, is where i'd start |
| 06:02.26 | enouf | ddrescue even |
| 06:02.58 | enouf | or, maybe a fsck is in order ;-) if MPoop - use it's disk |
| 06:03.09 | harpal | _go_od_day: I have embedded board and I am using perl in that |
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| 06:03.36 | iateadonut | kman: why? that sounds like a LOT of trouble to configure. |
| 06:03.43 | iateadonut | USN1520: apt-get install parted |
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| 06:03.57 | string | enouf, they's all windows programs right? |
| 06:04.30 | string | I was messing with a livecd and deleted my windows partition by accident |
| 06:05.26 | _go_od_day | harpal: agree, If we can find some other utility in c or c++ then we save resources by using min. available sources. |
| 06:07.00 | string | enouf I installed ddrescue but how do I run it |
| 06:07.24 | string | if I type ddrescue at the terminal it says command not found |
| 06:07.31 | enouf | no, not windows programs - only meant if you want to fsck a NTFS or FatXX partition, use your windows cd |
| 06:07.48 | enouf | !be areading barbie |
| 06:07.48 | dpkg | But areading is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 06:08.31 | harpal | _go_od_day: agree, but basic idea in psmon is that its checking process's pid files and its pid is exists or not, if not than it start that process bye executing command. |
| 06:10.19 | iateadonut | string, do you have a debain partition, or only a live cd? |
| 06:10.31 | enouf | lol, he left |
| 06:10.42 | iateadonut | you will be able to undelete a fat partition with apt-get install autopsy |
| 06:10.45 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 06:10.52 | iateadonut | well, maybe if i type it in capitals. |
| 06:10.52 | enouf | http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ is perfect for what he did |
| 06:11.22 | enouf | but he's gone, so he'll never know - another wintendo weenie bites the dust |
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| 06:12.40 | enouf | atleast he registered, so i sent him a memo |
| 06:13.42 | iateadonut | maybe he's still here in a new name. i do that sometimes when i ask too many stupid questions and get embarassed. |
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| 06:14.43 | enouf | ;-) that's why i asked about that USNxxx name - not to mention, i turned off all join/parts, since the netsplits really suck |
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| 06:15.52 | DawnLight | is there a program that shows disk usage... graphically in text-mode? |
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| 06:21.53 | Bidou | Hi |
| 06:22.39 | Bidou | I'v a problem with installing mysql-server, when I installed it, it's didn't ask me for set up my root password, anybody can help me ? |
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| 06:23.00 | Bidou | it didn't* |
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| 06:26.19 | icedtea | how do you change the dpi settings Xorg uses? |
| 06:26.33 | Supaplex | Bidou: that's the default behaivor |
| 06:26.34 | icedtea | (fonts are too small) |
| 06:26.46 | harpal | Bidou: you have to set it after word |
| 06:27.16 | Bidou | how ? |
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| 06:28.12 | huhlig | silly question, why when I try to install one video driver does apt- install ALL of them |
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| 06:30.55 | iateadonut | bidou: mysqladmin set password something something, i think. check man mysqladmin is probably your best bet. |
| 06:31.08 | Supaplex | huhlig: nfc. it's only 10mbish for all that anyway. |
| 06:31.20 | huhlig | meh |
| 06:31.26 | huhlig | I am trying to keep a lean system |
| 06:31.33 | huhlig | its a vmware image |
| 06:31.40 | huhlig | I only need the vmware xorg driver |
| 06:31.46 | Supaplex | *nod* |
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| 06:33.19 | niru | how to know which service starts first and which service starts second from the /etc/rc files |
| 06:33.36 | niru | what if I want to start a particular service first |
| 06:33.42 | huhlig | hey Supaplex curious |
| 06:33.54 | huhlig | how resource expensive is a remote x server connection |
| 06:34.00 | harpal | Bidou: mysqladmin -u root password yourpassword |
| 06:34.47 | huhlig | any idea? |
| 06:35.07 | Supaplex | ssh is the most part. depends on how much change you see |
| 06:35.19 | huhlig | probobly not much |
| 06:35.43 | huhlig | basically its an intro to unix class |
| 06:35.47 | Bidou | i'll try |
| 06:36.13 | Supaplex | odd. xserver-xorg Depends: xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0, but xserver-xorg-video-vmware Provides: xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 06:36.41 | huhlig | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vmware gets you everything |
| 06:37.02 | Supaplex | yes, . xserver-xorg Depends: xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0, but xserver-xorg-video-vmware Provides: xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 06:37.12 | huhlig | yea |
| 06:37.28 | huhlig | so.. who do i slap with a day old fish |
| 06:37.32 | Supaplex | the 'odd' part is, I dunno why | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 isn't satisfied by that. |
| 06:37.34 | \amethyst | niru: that's determined by the number after the letter S in the name of the link in the /etc/rc?.d/ runlevel directory |
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| 06:38.12 | Supaplex | apt-get gets it right (for this issue) |
| 06:38.34 | huhlig | packager mucked up |
| 06:39.13 | Supaplex | I think it's an aptitude issue. try apt-get, you'll see it behaives more like you wanted |
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| 06:39.32 | niru | \amethyst, why the numbers does not start in serial order |
| 06:39.43 | Supaplex | apt-get is treating xserver-xorg-video-all like Recommended packages: not Depends: |
| 06:39.45 | niru | \amethyst, why I find them like S34,S90 etc |
| 06:39.57 | niru | \amethyst, why not S1,S2,.... |
| 06:40.21 | niru | \amethyst, and is it that S1 should start first than S2 |
| 06:41.11 | Supaplex | huhlig: aptitude --without-recommends install xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 06:41.25 | \amethyst | niru: they have to be two digits; they start on non-serial numbers mainly to make it easier to move them around |
| 06:41.41 | \amethyst | niru: things that have the same number run alphabetically |
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| 06:42.19 | \amethyst | niru: it requires two digits because, under a string sort, S2foo would come after S19foo and before S20foo. So you use S02foo instead |
| 06:42.26 | Supaplex | huhlig: ahh, xserver-xorg Recommends: xserver-xorg-video-all. That's where it's popping up from. |
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| 06:43.16 | Supaplex | huhlig: I think if they took that out, only one video driver might get installed. that'd break stuff far worse :) |
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| 06:43.57 | huhlig | ahh |
| 06:44.04 | dryrot | im running kernel 2.6.18-6-686 , i have 2 gigs of mem, top only shows me 1 gig. what am i doing wrong ? |
| 06:44.12 | Trefnis | hi |
| 06:44.16 | Trefnis | could anyone here help me with amavis/spamassassin problem? i cant get it to tag messages with spam headers |
| 06:44.22 | huhlig | ok, why is php5 dependant on apache2 |
| 06:44.25 | huhlig | grrr |
| 06:44.50 | mip | hardware related question: are tv tuner cards and dvb cards different or same ? |
| 06:44.51 | harpal | huhlig: php5 well runs on lighttpd |
| 06:44.56 | huhlig | yes |
| 06:45.04 | huhlig | if you get php5 however |
| 06:45.11 | huhlig | it installs big chunks of apache2 |
| 06:45.14 | \amethyst | huhlig: php5 depends on libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.5-3) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.5-3) |
| 06:45.29 | huhlig | \amethyst, i see that |
| 06:45.30 | \amethyst | huhlig: so install php5-cgi at the same time and you'll satisfy the dependency without apache |
| 06:45.35 | huhlig | hmm |
| 06:45.36 | huhlig | ok |
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| 06:46.06 | Supaplex | hehehe |
| 06:46.18 | Supaplex | waouu! yummy speed. 382626160 100% 150.83MB/s 0:00:02 (xfer#1, to-check=0/1) |
| 06:46.23 | \amethyst | huhlig: by default it picks the first alternative |
| 06:46.28 | huhlig | ahh |
| 06:46.56 | niru | \amethyst, I am not clear on S2foo will come after S19foo how? |
| 06:47.26 | \amethyst | niru: I'm not sure that S2foo would even work, but if it did it would come after S19foo because '2' > '1' as characters |
| 06:48.24 | niru | \amethyst, will we write S2foo as S02foo the 1>0 so S02foo will come first |
| 06:48.46 | simonrvn | it should be anyway for that reason |
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| 06:49.43 | \amethyst | niru: right |
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| 06:53.46 | DawnLight | what is the command to join files together, e.g. files that have been split with the split command? |
| 06:55.25 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: cat |
| 06:55.38 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 06:57.20 | DawnLight | does anyone know if i can get bash and gnu commands for win32? |
| 06:58.17 | \amethyst | DawnLight: try #cygwin or ##mingw |
| 06:58.29 | \amethyst | DawnLight: the answer is 'yes' |
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| 06:58.40 | DukGalNamu | !ban DukGalNamu |
| 06:58.50 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 06:59.15 | DukGalNamu | ? |
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| 06:59.29 | Trefnis | can anyone help me with amavis/spamassasin problem ? about email spam headers |
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| 07:00.43 | DukGalNamu | man, it used to be so easy to get banned from this channel |
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| 07:00.57 | DukGalNamu | what happened? |
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| 07:02.50 | dondelelcaro | Trefnis: best to just ask your question |
| 07:03.05 | rajaji | hi to all , i am trying for xen virtualizetion but getting Error: HVM guest support is unavailable: is VT/AMD-V supported by your CPU and enabled in your BIOS? |
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| 07:06.13 | TapoutT | is there a way to get 'service' installed, so I can do : service httpd restart .. instead of always /etc/init.d/... |
| 07:06.45 | Trefnis | i got amavis to take care of spam and viruses, it does both, but i only get tag X-Virus scanned on server but nothing for spam |
| 07:06.56 | sep | TapoutT, use invoke-rc.d apache2 restart |
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| 07:07.52 | TapoutT | ahh ok thanks |
| 07:07.56 | Trefnis | also if i get spam it deletes it (for 10 score) or passes (i set D_PASS) but it doesnt change subject or adds any flags that i can see |
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| 07:09.28 | rajaji | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:10.55 | harpal | Hey I have Mediaringtalk installer exe and I want to run that on debian. I have installed wine and when i do wine MRTalkSetup.exe than its not doing anything |
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| 07:11.35 | DukGalNamu | wtf! |
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| 07:15.31 | simonrvn | harpal: set up wine first |
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| 07:18.05 | gold44 | pstree did not show tftpd, what's the matter? sysvconfig says, it's ON. and i rebooted system |
| 07:18.14 | harpal | simonrvn: means I have installed wine with aptitude install wine is it ok? or I have to do some another configuration |
| 07:19.27 | simonrvn | you should go in #winehq for this.. but i'll give you a quickie one. do wineprefixcreate it'll set up ~/.wine . you'll need some other stuff probably. see their site if #winehq is dead |
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| 07:22.02 | harpal | simonrvn: ok |
| 07:26.06 | simonrvn | @wb jelly-home |
| 07:26.06 | ravenbird | Welcome back jelly-home, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chi. |
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| 07:30.13 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:30.26 | yigal | morning, not yet for me :) |
| 07:30.35 | yigal | dimir: but good morning to you |
| 07:31.10 | dimir | yigal: ;) |
| 07:31.48 | simonrvn | @wb xingu |
| 07:31.49 | ravenbird | Welcome back xingu, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chutney. |
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| 07:32.33 | xingu | mm, chi _and_ chutney |
| 07:32.55 | yigal | do you like that combo because of alliteration or because they go together? |
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| 07:34.03 | xingu | yigal: it's a visual thing mostly, quite art nouveau |
| 07:34.23 | yigal | xingu: ya, chutney is very pretty |
| 07:34.52 | simonrvn | have the indirectly intangible combining with the practical and tasty. it's quite unique and satisfying |
| 07:35.06 | simonrvn | indirectly tangible* |
| 07:35.28 | yigal | I made daal, 2 days ago, nice tasting but doesn't have the character of chutney |
| 07:35.45 | yigal | it's a very filling good meal though |
| 07:36.29 | simonrvn | what's worse than spam bots is spam bots set up by lazy people |
| 07:36.40 | xingu | another day, another reason for the bottom to fall out of the greenback |
| 07:37.07 | xingu | just when you think it'd found its lowest low, it goes off and finds a new one |
| 07:37.16 | simonrvn | was bound to happen |
| 07:37.35 | yigal | xingu: well look our president, it can get worse much worse, or better depending on how you look at life |
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| 07:38.13 | Tadejob | hi |
| 07:38.17 | Tadejob | does anyone have any idea why my psybnc crashes when my link drops? |
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| 07:41.23 | xingu | yigal: in this case it's got more to do with bernanke |
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| 07:44.23 | bolt | How can I change my clock from being UTC to local time? I dual boot with windoze, so.. :/ |
| 07:44.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | bolt, iirc /etc/rc.local |
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| 07:45.10 | xingu | bolt: try /etc/default/rcS |
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| 07:47.23 | yigal | xingu: well, every bit counts :) |
| 07:47.30 | simonrvn | !tzconfig |
| 07:47.30 | dpkg | well, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 07:48.10 | simonrvn | could also do dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ;) |
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| 07:53.58 | streuner | !listvals tzconfig |
| 07:54.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tzconfig' by value (6): dst change ;; est ;; ntp ;; set time ;; timezone ;; setting time. |
| 07:54.12 | streuner | !set time |
| 07:54.12 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 07:59.09 | bolt | thanks :D |
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| 08:01.57 | phorce1 | Before anyone does it, don't tell me about ask. I'm about to ask if there's anyone out there who can .... but the whole problem will be too involved to waste the cahnnels time. Is there someone who knows C well enough to give me some assistance in incorporating a driver for a card into a module that already exists. I've copied the relevant bits into the kernel-source and done a test compile that failed. I only know enough about C to know that something is no |
| 08:01.58 | xpika | how do I find what files are associated to a package |
| 08:02.36 | xpika | using something like: apt-cache findfiles ? |
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| 08:04.47 | jelly-home | xpika: for an installed package: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 08:12.07 | redduck666 | how can i prevent certain module (pcspkr) from being loaded at boot? |
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| 08:12.20 | phorce1 | The module source provided by the manufacturer will compile OK (with minor tweaking to exclude a file that's not included in the .tgz) under 2.6.18 but will not compile under 2.6.22 |
| 08:12.47 | phorce1 | !tell redduck666 about blacklist |
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| 08:12.49 | ApOgEE- | i'm stuck here... one of my module to load need dependency i tried to load em in /etc/modules. only one loaded |
| 08:13.10 | ApOgEE- | any ideas? |
| 08:13.42 | ApOgEE- | i'm trying to load tsuart0 and tsuart7260 |
| 08:14.05 | ApOgEE- | only tsuart0 loaded after reboot when i do lsmod |
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| 08:14.36 | phorce1 | ApOgEE-: can you load it manually with insmod? |
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| 08:14.44 | phorce1 | or modprobe |
| 08:15.14 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, i can do insmod tsuart0, then insmod tsuart7260 |
| 08:15.22 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, both works |
| 08:16.03 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, but i have to load tsuart0 before tsuart7260 because tsuart7260 depend on it |
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| 08:19.13 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, modprobe tsuart0 works but modprobe tsuart7260 says "modprobe: Can't locate module tsuart7260" |
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| 08:20.04 | phorce1 | ApOgEE-: Where is the module file located (what directory)? |
| 08:20.13 | salierix | How do I stop X from starting automatically? When X starts it locks up my system and I have to reboot. |
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| 08:20.26 | streuner | salierix: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 08:20.53 | salierix | How? I didn't have access to a console... |
| 08:21.00 | phorce1 | salierix: update-rc.d -f gdm remove (or xdm or kdm or whatever-dm you have installed) |
| 08:21.24 | salierix | How do I get access to a console? X starts automatically. |
| 08:21.27 | phorce1 | !tell salierix about nodm |
| 08:21.41 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, /lib/modules/2.4.26-ts11/kernel/drivers/serial/tsuart0.o |
| 08:21.42 | streuner | !nodm |
| 08:21.42 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 08:21.48 | phorce1 | salierix: reboot in single user mode to make the fix |
| 08:22.09 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, /lib/modules/2.4.26-ts11/kernel/drivers/serial/tsuart7260.o |
| 08:22.10 | salierix | thanks. |
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| 08:24.08 | phorce1 | ApOgEE-: try running depmod -a then the modprobe command again. Is the tsuart0 file in the same place? Is that the ONLY copy of those files? Is that the actual kernel version reported by uname -r? |
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| 08:28.47 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, can u please gimme the right syntax? i do "depmod -a" and it says "Segmentation fault" |
| 08:29.22 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, /lib/modules/2.4.26-ts11/kernel/drivers/serial/tsuart0.o |
| 08:29.25 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, /lib/modules/2.4.26-ts11/kernel/drivers/serial/tsuart7260.o |
| 08:29.33 | ApOgEE- | same place |
| 08:30.15 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, i do locate, that's the ONLY copy of those files |
| 08:30.54 | ApOgEE- | uname -r returns "2.4.26-ts11" |
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| 08:35.04 | phorce1 | ApOgEE-: depmod segfaulting is not a good thing. |
| 08:35.18 | salierix | Why do I get a black sceen after installing the nvidia drivers for my geforce 8600 gts? |
| 08:35.24 | salierix | Isn't that card supported? |
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| 08:35.38 | phorce1 | ApOgEE-: That WAS the correct syntax. just depmod -a |
| 08:36.15 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, then, can u please point me on how can i fix it? |
| 08:37.28 | wols | ApOgEE-: not a debian kernel in any shapw way or form |
| 08:37.48 | wols | if you run etch or later at least |
| 08:38.05 | wols | so upgrade to that and use a sorta supported kernel if you must have a custom one |
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| 08:39.11 | ApOgEE- | cat /etc/debian_version says "3.1 Sarge" |
| 08:39.36 | ApOgEE- | i'm using TS-ARM |
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| 08:40.09 | wols | sarge has 2.4.27 at least |
| 08:40.10 | ApOgEE- | this debian boot from SD |
| 08:40.16 | wols | so where is yours from? |
| 08:40.18 | wols | so? |
| 08:40.24 | phorce1 | ApOgEE-: I don't remember what the modutils package was in sarge. Run dpkg -S depmod and try reinstalling the package that it reports using apt-get --reinstall. |
| 08:40.36 | wols | phorce1: depmod -a was fine |
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| 08:40.52 | phorce1 | wols: depmod segfaulted on hom |
| 08:41.24 | wols | yes but it was the right command. this is not a sarge supported vresion and sarge is vrey soon EOL anyways |
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| 08:42.00 | wols | and if it runs from SDCard it should be good enough hardware wise to run 2.6 too |
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| 08:44.28 | phorce1 | wols: I have 6 or 7 machines running sarge that will stay that way unless there is a pressing requirement to upgrade. Upgrading would be more work than it's worth. |
| 08:44.54 | wols | phorce1: are those machines on the interweb? |
| 08:45.08 | wols | cause from april onwards: no more security updates |
| 08:45.31 | ApOgEE- | wols, i'm doing apt-get install modutils a bit slow here |
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| 08:46.01 | phorce1 | wols: yes. Hmmm I'll just have to pay close attention to waht security problems are reported on the mailing list. That could be the "pressing reason". |
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| 08:46.35 | wols | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386 |
| 08:46.52 | Borlong | folks, i can't stop laughing. |
| 08:47.02 | Borlong | it says here that americans are saving less than nothing. |
| 08:47.04 | Borlong | is this true? |
| 08:47.32 | wols | yes it's true for a decade or so but how is this debian related? |
| 08:47.45 | Borlong | lol! |
| 08:47.47 | Borlong | unbelievable. |
| 08:48.02 | wols | do you have a debian related question? |
| 08:48.07 | ApOgEE- | wols, now depmod returns depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.26-ts11/kernel/net/bridge.o |
| 08:48.19 | wols | ApOgEE-: don't tell me |
| 08:48.21 | Borlong | wols, no. you got one for me? |
| 08:48.54 | Borlong | i've been using debian for 11 years, wols. ask me anything. |
| 08:49.06 | wols | stop being offtopic please |
| 08:49.06 | phorce1 | ApOgEE-: try modprobing the serial drivers again |
| 08:49.15 | Borlong | 11-year veteran here. |
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| 08:50.19 | ShredZ | Is there a package with php oracle connectivity I need ? (doesn't seem to know oci_connect atm) |
| 08:52.39 | phorce1 | ShredZ: have you tried 'apt-cache search oracle php' to see if they're both mentioned in one package? |
| 08:53.17 | jelly-home | ShredZ: in short, no, you need to get the client from oracle and build the extension yourself |
| 08:54.13 | jelly-home | since the client libraries and headers are very non-free, there's no way for that stuff to be in Debian |
| 08:55.04 | Borlong | ten years ago my mother put $50k in a fund for me. Today it is worth over $450k. |
| 08:55.19 | jelly-home | Borlong: do you have a debian question? |
| 08:55.30 | icedtea | Borlong: damn |
| 08:55.37 | Borlong | at the continued average interest of 25% a year, i can withdraw $50k a year and live forever on only that one fund. |
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| 08:57.26 | Borlong | that's the power of savings, folks. |
| 08:57.54 | wols | !ops please make Borlong stay on topic and not troll |
| 08:57.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please make Borlong stay on topic and not troll |
| 08:58.22 | Borlong | if you have modest wealth and you manage it correctly, you have no need to work. you work on your own terms. |
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| 08:59.11 | jelly-home | ##finance? |
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| 08:59.31 | wols | jelly-home: nevre talk to him, only about him when complaining to ops |
| 09:00.15 | jelly-home | oh, yet another of those people that talk to themselves on a public channel |
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| 09:00.58 | phorce1 | This will be too involved to waste the cahnnels time. But, off of IRC is there someone who knows C well enough to give me some assistance in incorporating a driver for a card into a module that already exists. I've copied the relevant bits into the kernel-source and done a test compile that failed. I only know enough about C to know that something is not being declared somewhere but I can't figure out where or what. http://pastebin.ca/923109 |
| 09:01.23 | jelly-home | phorce1: ##kernel :-) |
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| 09:02.12 | wols | phorce1: ##C ? ##kernel? ##krenelnewbies? |
| 09:02.17 | wols | thank you Maulkin |
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| 09:02.45 | jelly-home | phorce1: dvb-t tree is supposed to be buildable on its own, btw |
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| 09:03.00 | Maulkin | Borlong: this is a channel for Debian support. /msg dpkg offtopic |
| 09:03.15 | jelly-home | phorce1: I meant v4l-dvb, sorry |
| 09:03.30 | phorce1 | The module source provided by the manufacturer will compile OK (with minor tweaking to exclude a file that's not included in the .tgz) under 2.6.18 but will not compile under 2.6.22 |
| 09:03.49 | jelly-home | phorce1: so you might also try and look in a dvb specific channel if there is one |
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| 09:05.22 | phorce1 | I'll pick at it a few more days before I brek down and downgrade my kernel. |
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| 09:06.01 | jelly-home | yeah, that's definitely a better idea than asking the v4l-dvb people who are supposed to maintain that code anyway |
| 09:07.14 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I think the licensing on the manufacturer code is problematic. They don't just declare it open source and provide source code for all but one file that is required for some cards. |
| 09:07.29 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, modprobe tsuart7260 works now.. i'm rebooting |
| 09:08.05 | phorce1 | jelly-home: No use putting it in the tree if it can be there when the tree is sent to debian |
| 09:08.14 | phorce1 | s/can/can't |
| 09:08.53 | ApOgEE- | phorce1, wols, thanks!! it works now! |
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| 09:09.16 | ApOgEE- | !beer phorce1 |
| 09:09.23 | ApOgEE- | !beer wols |
| 09:09.26 | ApOgEE- | :D |
| 09:09.49 | jelly-home | phorce1: neverthless, I think asking the maintainers of that kernel subsystem might be more productive than asking a random distro channel |
| 09:12.01 | enouf | ApOgEE-: ever resolve your weirdo com3 ttyAMR ? issue? |
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| 09:12.22 | enouf | oh wait, you're not running debian, nm |
| 09:12.41 | ApOgEE- | enouf, yes.. resolved now |
| 09:12.54 | Tadejob | anyone here has some experiance with VPS and IPv6? |
| 09:13.17 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I'll go look up contact info. Thanks. |
| 09:13.50 | ApOgEE- | enouf, it is the tsuart problem... i have to load tsuart modules to make it work.. i'm running debian on SD in this TS-ARM |
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| 09:14.30 | enouf | ApOgEE-: but i thought you said 1 and 2 worked fine, only 3 wasn't working |
| 09:14.55 | enouf | why would that be without the correct module(s) loaded |
| 09:15.07 | ApOgEE- | enouf, the com3 is now ttyTS0 after loading the modules |
| 09:15.36 | enouf | well, ok, i knew your Major/Minors were borked |
| 09:15.51 | ApOgEE- | This is probably because the ep93xx platform code does not (yet) |
| 09:15.51 | ApOgEE- | handle gating the UART clocks, and your bootloader probably does not |
| 09:15.51 | ApOgEE- | enable the third UART clock. |
| 09:16.18 | ApOgEE- | that what i got on debian-arm mailing list |
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| 09:17.33 | ApOgEE- | enouf, thanks anyway, since it's working now... gotta move to another job list |
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| 09:18.20 | ApOgEE- | i'm going to set pptp connection for this ts-arm now |
| 09:19.10 | enouf | there is no ttyTS anything |
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| 09:20.06 | crumblenaut | is there a command i can use to add up integers that are one-per-line in a text file? |
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| 09:20.31 | tarzeau | crumblenaut: awk |
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| 09:21.12 | tarzeau | crumblenaut: cat ints | awk '{n+=$1}END{print n}' |
| 09:21.36 | iateadonut | my apt-get hangs trying to install adjtimex each time I use apt-get. how can i make it so it doesn't try to configure adjtimex anymore? |
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| 09:24.03 | tralala | iateadonut, paste the output of "dpkg --configure -a" to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:24.16 | yigal | iateadonut: is -d download only good enough? |
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| 09:25.58 | iateadonut | Comparing clocks (this will take 70 sec)... - hangs here |
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| 09:29.18 | iateadonut | yigal: -d download? |
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| 09:29.37 | smooki | hello |
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| 09:30.24 | smooki | I try to find where is the firewall rules definition files, but iptables -L show me no rule when I know the host is firewalling |
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| 09:30.54 | JustSoul | morning |
| 09:31.13 | enouf | smooki: which firewall? |
| 09:31.29 | smooki | well I don't know :) |
| 09:31.43 | smooki | I'm not a linux guy |
| 09:31.53 | enouf | smooki: well, then why would you think it's iptables? |
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| 09:32.06 | smooki | cause it's installed |
| 09:32.09 | enouf | or even accessible through listing rules? |
| 09:32.14 | enouf | what's installed? |
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| 09:32.19 | enouf | iptables isn't a pkg |
| 09:32.25 | smooki | well |
| 09:32.41 | smooki | heu |
| 09:32.43 | enouf | it works through the kernels's NETFILTER |
| 09:32.50 | enouf | smooki: any apparmor or selinux involved? |
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| 09:33.00 | smooki | sorry ? :D |
| 09:33.29 | wols | enouf: it isn't what? <dpkg> iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: 1.4.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 394 kB, Installed size: 1272 kB |
| 09:33.30 | enouf | how about this; any Debian involved |
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| 09:33.51 | enouf | wols: well - ok, my bad |
| 09:34.09 | smooki | enouf: just like to know where is the rules definition files, the possible ones |
| 09:34.09 | enouf | wols: but you know what i meant :-P |
| 09:34.12 | wols | smooki: there is no standard "firewall rules file" in debian |
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| 09:34.23 | enouf | wols: it was said horribly, i agree |
| 09:34.27 | enouf | and wrongly |
| 09:34.27 | Hobbsee_ | Gentlemen, ircopers think spamming is ok all of a sudden. ##ubuntu-uncensored is spamming all over the network. pass it on :/ |
| 09:34.28 | smooki | well how can I know witch one is used then ? |
| 09:34.31 | Hobbsee_ | :/ |
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| 09:34.49 | wols | Holborn: and you spamming helps? fuck off |
| 09:35.16 | wols | smooki: where did you make one? |
| 09:35.33 | wols | *ho/whois hobbsee_ |
| 09:35.37 | smooki | I did nothing on this host |
| 09:35.47 | smooki | I just whant to open a port I need |
| 09:35.50 | JustSoul | I use http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync to make mirror of debian, I add ARCH_EXCLUDE="source alpha amd64..." ( http://paste.debian.net/50153 ), but it also download *.tar.gz files. Why? And how to correct it? |
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| 09:36.36 | smooki | hmmm |
| 09:37.14 | wols | smooki: debian doesn't set up any iptables rules on its own. either you installed a package or you wrote your own iptables rules file |
| 09:37.20 | wols | either or, no other possibility |
| 09:37.35 | smooki | wols: other possibility |
| 09:37.40 | smooki | :) |
| 09:37.43 | enouf | wols: it's not his machine |
| 09:37.48 | smooki | the sysop made the config |
| 09:37.58 | enouf | then ask the sysop |
| 09:38.02 | smooki | I'm just developper |
| 09:38.09 | smooki | he's in hollidays |
| 09:38.26 | enouf | being oncall is a bitch |
| 09:38.32 | smooki | nevermind if you don't whant to help I won't tell you my life ;) |
| 09:38.38 | petemc | smooki: how have you confirmed the port is closed? |
| 09:38.44 | wols | smooki: no other possibility "you" being the root accound |
| 09:38.46 | wols | *account |
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| 09:38.50 | smooki | I'm root |
| 09:38.58 | wols | smooki: does the machine do NAT with ipmasq? |
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| 09:39.17 | smooki | how to know ? |
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| 09:39.27 | wols | by checking if ipmasq is installed |
| 09:39.29 | smooki | I don't think there is nat |
| 09:39.40 | smooki | and how to check taht ? :) |
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| 09:39.45 | smooki | ipmasq -V ? |
| 09:39.46 | ssn | hi |
| 09:39.51 | ssn | does anyone know how to tell apt-build that it should continue to build world and not to restart the whole process from the first package on? |
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| 09:39.57 | mb | Hi. What tool should i use for building the shell around debian packages?. I would like to use debmake, but it is deprecated. What is used instead? |
| 09:40.14 | smooki | -bash: ipmasq: command not found |
| 09:40.32 | wols | it's not a command, it's a package |
| 09:40.43 | smooki | .... |
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| 09:41.01 | salierix | I just switched to sid from etch to install the nvidia drivers but I see that my xorg.conf file is practically empty... why? |
| 09:41.10 | peope | Does courier-imap support mbox-format? I dont want to do a conversion just yet on a live system. (running 4.0) |
| 09:41.20 | smooki | well nevermind, opening this port was to allow me to acces my hmouse's pc, not crucial I'll use the flash client instead |
| 09:41.23 | petemc | peope: dovecot does |
| 09:41.25 | enouf | mb: install build-essential to start |
| 09:41.26 | smooki | too complicated |
| 09:41.27 | azeem | salierix: that's expected |
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| 09:41.30 | Roobarb | peope: I believe courier only uses Maildir |
| 09:41.31 | mb | enouf, thanks |
| 09:41.38 | ssn | does anyone know how to tell apt-build that it should continue to build world and not to restart the whole process from the first package on? |
| 09:41.55 | wols | !repeat |
| 09:41.55 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:42.01 | enouf | mb: do /msg dpkg grounding |
| 09:42.02 | salierix | azeem, how do I switch to the nvidia driver then? |
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| 09:42.18 | enouf | !tell mb -about selftell |
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| 09:42.42 | wols | salierix: not supported in etch with etch nvidia drivers. you need to backport drivers |
| 09:42.45 | mb | enouf, thanks |
| 09:42.49 | wols | !tell salierix about simple sid backport |
| 09:43.04 | wols | azeem: "switched" how? reinstall? |
| 09:43.25 | salierix | wols, I don't want the etch drivers... |
| 09:43.40 | wols | what do you want then? |
| 09:43.44 | salierix | I'm running sid |
| 09:43.53 | wols | erm, salierix: "switched" how? reinstall? |
| 09:43.58 | iateadonut | if you did a force recurive remove on the root filesystem, would it be able to complete the command? |
| 09:44.04 | wols | so why do you even talk about etch? |
| 09:44.05 | salierix | dist-upgrade |
| 09:44.30 | enouf | !yias iateadonut |
| 09:44.34 | enouf | !tias iateadonut |
| 09:44.40 | wols | iateadonut: rm -rf / WILL delete every single file. so don't do it |
| 09:44.41 | enouf | gah |
| 09:44.55 | wols | enouf: dpm |
| 09:44.56 | salierix | wols, Never mind that... I'm just curious why my xorg.org file is so sparse. |
| 09:44.58 | iateadonut | i'm not going to do it. i just want to know if it could be completed. |
| 09:45.06 | wols | !tell salierix about sid |
| 09:45.08 | azeem | wols: hrm? |
| 09:45.25 | wols | azeem: you know how fat my fingers are? and how near s is to a? |
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| 09:45.35 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 09:45.41 | Coke | Is there any way to find out what project a Debian package is based on without installing the package? |
| 09:45.53 | enouf | what? |
| 09:46.01 | azeem | Coke: check packages.debian.org/<package> for information |
| 09:46.02 | JustSoul | I use http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync to make mirror of debian, I add ARCH_EXCLUDE="source alpha amd64..." ( http://paste.debian.net/50153 ), but it also download *.tar.gz files. Why? And how to correct it? |
| 09:46.05 | wols | Coke: usually very obvious if you only look at its source |
| 09:46.15 | salierix | wols, is there a program hat will automatically edit my xorg.conf file to switch to the nvidia driver? Or does this new xorg version use a different method? |
| 09:46.24 | wols | !tell salierix about drxx |
| 09:46.37 | wols | emdpesm |
| 09:46.40 | Coke | wols: where do I see the source? |
| 09:46.42 | iateadonut | how do i copy all my files including their permissions, owners, and groups? |
| 09:46.43 | wols | enouf: doesn't understand what? |
| 09:46.49 | wols | iateadonut: make a tar file |
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| 09:46.55 | enouf | wols: nm - not important |
| 09:46.58 | wols | otherwise: cp -a |
| 09:47.10 | wols | to a filesystem which actually has permissions |
| 09:47.19 | wols | and don't copy a / when it's rw mounted |
| 09:47.46 | iateadonut | makes sense. |
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| 09:47.52 | iateadonut | so cp -a |
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| 09:48.08 | enouf | salierix: perhaps dexocnf never ran - but i know nothing about 3D proprietary things |
| 09:48.15 | enouf | er dexconf |
| 09:48.18 | wols | Caino: man apt-get |
| 09:48.27 | wols | enouf: is that still supported? |
| 09:48.29 | enouf | but i do know how sid likes to break things ;-) |
| 09:48.38 | enouf | wols: you got me |
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| 09:49.06 | salierix | wols, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does ask me anything about my video card, just my keyboard. |
| 09:49.08 | wols | damn, coke's already left |
| 09:49.11 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 09:49.17 | salierix | doesn't |
| 09:49.18 | wols | -plow then |
| 09:49.20 | iateadonut | don't copy an /a when it's rw mounted because it will follow mounts, simlinks, etc? or why? |
| 09:49.35 | wols | no cause it could change while you copy it |
| 09:49.39 | jeffrin | is there any special option to give when writing a debian cd for powerpc |
| 09:49.46 | wols | change badly in incosistent ways that is |
| 09:49.50 | enouf | man debconf = your debconf sounds munged |
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| 09:50.17 | iateadonut | so, if i wanted to copy a / , i should do something like dd from live disc or something. |
| 09:50.17 | salierix | wols, still nothing. |
| 09:51.11 | enouf | iateadonut: dd is at the block layer - cp and mv at the FS layer - think tar, or rsync perhaps |
| 09:51.50 | enouf | iateadonut: what's the goal? a clone? |
| 09:52.45 | iateadonut | it's hypothetical. i guess the goal is a clone. dd would copy unused blocks, also, huh? |
| 09:52.50 | enouf | wols: possible he installed a LOT from sid and got the newer X? |
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| 09:53.02 | enouf | (buggy?) |
| 09:53.20 | enouf | yep |
| 09:53.25 | enouf | unless |
| 09:53.38 | iateadonut | but you could mount a root filesystem at a point in /mnt/ and then cp -a that and you'd get a backup? |
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| 09:54.02 | enouf | IINM, you use conv=noerror ? perha[s another option, info coreutils dd |
| 09:54.23 | enouf | mount it ro and cp it , sure |
| 09:54.23 | wols | enouf: is he running etch or sid? I was assuming all sid |
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| 09:54.50 | enouf | wols: ya know? i thought etch - hence he had etch drivers, dunno :-( |
| 09:55.03 | sander_m | Hello. I'm looking for an XML editor that can handle invalid XML. I have a pretty big XML document that was generated by some application. But there's a tag mismatch. There are no newlines in the XML file so finding the problem is really hard. Does Debian have an XML editor somewhere that can load the XML up to the point of failure so I can easily spot the error? |
| 09:55.17 | wols | sander_m: what are you running exactly? full sid? |
| 09:55.27 | sander_m | Etch + backports |
| 09:55.34 | wols | sander_m: sorry. not you |
| 09:55.40 | wols | salierix: what are you running? full sid? |
| 09:55.59 | enouf | sander_m: you could try the xml2 pkg |
| 09:56.04 | salierix | No, minimal install. |
| 09:56.30 | wols | answer my question |
| 09:56.42 | sander_m | enouf: Thanks. I'll try |
| 09:56.47 | enouf | sander_m: http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples but as far as invalid? i know nothing - and there's likely better tools, more XMLish |
| 09:56.54 | wols | salierix: how did you get your sid? |
| 09:57.08 | enouf | sander_m: visit that guys' homepage, TLD |
| 09:57.08 | salierix | netinstall |
| 09:57.18 | wols | that is not possible. don't lie |
| 09:57.22 | wols | how did you get your sid? |
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| 09:58.05 | salierix | I told you I had a net install of etch and I ran apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 09:58.11 | enouf | sander_m: apt-cache search XML | grep edit perhaps as well |
| 09:58.34 | wols | salierix: no you didn't you said you had a netinstall sid which is not possible |
| 09:58.57 | sander_m | enouf: I tried a bunch of them already but they simply give an error when loading. E.g. Coglomerate, KXML Editor, etcetera |
| 09:59.02 | XTF | Hi. Is there a Debian security channel? |
| 09:59.04 | salierix | Check the logs, earlier I said I upgraded from etch. |
| 09:59.09 | enouf | salierix: the more precise your answers , the better help you'lll get |
| 09:59.35 | enouf | but, if you want to argue - well |
| 09:59.38 | salierix | SOrry. |
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| 10:00.08 | enouf | sander_m: i see, so perhaps something that can manipulate it lower-level .. |
| 10:00.14 | salierix | Any ideas? |
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| 10:00.41 | enouf | XTF: not sure, you have harden-doc installed? |
| 10:00.57 | sander_m | enouf: Can tidy output a formatted XML tree up to the point of failure? I know it can fix mismatched HTML tags... |
| 10:01.54 | XTF | enouf: No |
| 10:01.57 | enouf | XTF: http://www.debian.org/security/faq any help? |
| 10:02.21 | XTF | enouf: It's #debian-security on irc.debian.org |
| 10:02.32 | enouf | there's a mailing list i know -install the harden-doc pkg |
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| 10:03.19 | enouf | sander_m: i know nothing about XML, except i loathe it - i did mess a bit with xml2 though |
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| 10:04.15 | salierix | wols, Got any ideas? |
| 10:04.20 | sander_m | enouf: xml2 can't parse it. It just quits with an error "mismatched tag" |
| 10:04.32 | wols | sander_m: wait |
| 10:04.57 | wols | sander_m: first question I get from debconf is "try to detect videocard automatically" |
| 10:04.57 | enouf | XTF: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ mentions the channel , yes |
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| 10:05.39 | sander_m | wols: do you mean salierix instead of me again? :-) |
| 10:05.41 | enouf | sander_m: in combination with other tools, like awk , grep , sed ? |
| 10:05.51 | wols | salierix: do a md5sum |
| 10:05.52 | wols | 890dd54380ce731d36abcf93734143e1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst |
| 10:05.59 | enouf | sander_m: there's html2 also in that pkg, not sure that helps |
| 10:06.05 | wols | sander_m: sorry |
| 10:06.30 | sander_m | enouf: Yeah. I might just write a little script to insert a newline after each opening and closing tag and (un)indent as appropriate. |
| 10:07.04 | salierix | wols, it's different. |
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| 10:07.27 | wols | salierix: what xserver-xorg version? |
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| 10:07.59 | salierix | wols, the current one I suppose... how so I check? |
| 10:08.06 | wols | dpkg -l |
| 10:08.08 | joh | Hi, where's DEBCONFrelay_domainsDEBCONF (MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS) set for exim4? |
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| 10:08.27 | jim_p | hi! have i broken my x-system? when i ctrl+alt+backspace everything unloads but the desktop stays there and nothing happens. The only way out is REISUB |
| 10:08.45 | salierix | wols, 1:7.3+10 |
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| 10:10.35 | wols | wtffuck? |
| 10:10.47 | salierix | ? |
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| 10:11.01 | wols | if I apt-get install xorg I keep my (old xservre-xorg 7.2-5 instead of getting xserver-xirg 7.3-10 |
| 10:11.04 | enouf | sander_m: http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/ clcik "Documentation" and "gnome-xml library" links (perhaps some missed info that can help) |
| 10:11.42 | enouf | joh: /msg dpkg exim4 ? |
| 10:11.50 | joh | enouf: Thanks |
| 10:12.29 | MM2 | cron gives segfault errors to screen. How I can fix it? |
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| 10:12.46 | enouf | joh: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? man exim-<TAB><TAB> , man update-exim<TAB><TAB> |
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| 10:13.22 | SPF | MM2: either you fix the program or redirect 2 to /dev/null |
| 10:13.30 | wols | salierix: now I get what you describe. sid problem. deal with it |
| 10:13.56 | wols | salierix: edit your xorg.conf directly |
| 10:14.01 | MM2 | SPF: How I can fix cron? |
| 10:14.42 | SPF | MM2: I assume the programs that cron is executing are causing those segmentation faults? |
| 10:15.29 | MM2 | errors are"cron[7347]: segfault at 00..00 rip 00..00 rsp 0007ff...58 error 4 |
| 10:15.43 | MM2 | so it is not cron that's broken, but a some program it launches? |
| 10:15.56 | enouf | joh: read the files that this returns; $ rgrep -il relay_domain /usr/share/doc/exim4* |
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| 10:16.17 | enouf | joh: you might need to install related pkgs, lke exim4-doc ? |
| 10:16.18 | SPF | MM2: it could be, you could try disable all the programs and look if more errors will occur |
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| 10:16.42 | sander_m | enouf: No luck. xml2 uses gnome-xml and gnome-xml can't handle invalid XML. |
| 10:16.50 | enouf | ugh |
| 10:16.52 | SPF | or execute each program manually |
| 10:16.58 | enouf | XML == dump |
| 10:17.03 | sander_m | enouf: I'll just write a quick 'n dirty parser. Shouldn't be more that 10 mins work :-) |
| 10:17.11 | enouf | sander_m: \o/ |
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| 10:17.50 | MM2 | SPF: do you know any desent way to disable all programs for cron? |
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| 10:18.14 | SPF | MM2: crontab -e, and put # in front of each line |
| 10:18.26 | MM2 | no crontab for root |
| 10:18.32 | SPF | note that'll take about 2 minutes for the changes to take effect |
| 10:18.34 | piju | hello, i got problem with gnome-osd, when i start , i got this bugs http://pastebin.org/21792 |
| 10:18.39 | MM2 | It can be some others users cron |
| 10:18.47 | SPF | yes, could be |
| 10:18.51 | MM2 | where I can find them? |
| 10:18.55 | MM2 | daemon even |
| 10:18.56 | enouf | wols: $ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg | grep Candidate |
| 10:18.56 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.59 | enouf | :-P |
| 10:19.03 | MM2 | because there is no real users in that system |
| 10:19.27 | enouf | (though i have no desire) |
| 10:19.36 | SPF | maybe mysql or any other daemon |
| 10:19.44 | wols | andrboot: apt-cache show showed me both but apt-get install xorg didn't update it |
| 10:19.46 | MM2 | /var/spool/cron/crontabs is empty |
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| 10:20.39 | MM2 | so it must be crontab itself that is segfaulting? |
| 10:20.41 | Tapout | is there a clean way to toggle what loads on startup? chkconfig worked on rhel pretty nicely,anything equiv on debian? |
| 10:20.56 | salierix | Editing my xorg.conf file manually worked fine, thanks for the help anyway. |
| 10:21.11 | enouf | !tell Tapout about rcconf |
| 10:21.21 | wols | Tapout: rcconf ? |
| 10:21.38 | SPF | MM2: I think that is a logical conclusion |
| 10:22.04 | tralala | Tapout, many debian services can be disabled from /etc/default/ or by removing the config files. |
| 10:22.36 | SPF | MM2: You could try reinstalling it, the problem might also be related elsewhere |
| 10:22.59 | enouf | Tapout: rcconf works real nicely (i use it) , careful if you decide to muck around with other runlevels, suck like sysv-rc-conf allows for |
| 10:23.08 | Tapout | thanks guys |
| 10:23.42 | enouf | s/suck/such |
| 10:24.06 | MM2 | SPF: do you remember cmd-line options for reinstall? |
| 10:24.30 | SPF | MM2: apt-get install cron --reinstall |
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| 10:24.33 | xushi | hi all |
| 10:24.34 | SPF | I think |
| 10:24.39 | xushi | i need just little advice on something |
| 10:24.48 | xushi | http://pastebin.ca/923194 does this look dangerous to you ? |
| 10:25.01 | MM2 | SPF: thank you |
| 10:25.02 | xushi | smartctl -H on that disk says OK instead of PASS |
| 10:25.06 | xushi | it's a scsi disk |
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| 10:26.47 | xushi | even `ls` raises it by 2 or so |
| 10:27.42 | wols | xushi: no. if you are worried do a long test |
| 10:27.57 | xushi | wols: good idea.. forgot about that |
| 10:28.08 | xushi | the reason i'm worried is because i'm getting daily kernel panics lately |
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| 10:28.46 | jacob007 | can someone reach arvind.gotdns.org |
| 10:28.47 | jacob007 | ? |
| 10:28.48 | xushi | should i do the long test while the hard drive is idle? |
| 10:28.53 | xushi | or is it ok if it's compiling something ? |
| 10:28.55 | jacob007 | http://arvind.gotdns.org ? |
| 10:29.14 | xushi | jacob007: yes |
| 10:29.18 | xushi | "It Works!" |
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| 10:30.38 | MM2 | SPF: Still segfaulting :( |
| 10:30.54 | SPF | :( |
| 10:31.00 | MM2 | rebooted after reinstalling, so it makes me kind of worried |
| 10:31.32 | xushi | wols: erm, just a quick question, what do i type after the long test finsihes? smartctl -H /dev/sda ? |
| 10:31.38 | xushi | or -l error ? |
| 10:31.43 | wols | -a |
| 10:31.47 | xushi | thanks |
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| 10:33.01 | xpika | is there a graphical alternative xserver? |
| 10:33.11 | SPF | MM2: I have no idea where the problem is, maybe someone else knows |
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| 10:33.21 | jacob007 | xushi, was it fast ? |
| 10:33.24 | jacob007 | ls |
| 10:33.34 | xushi | jacob007: yes |
| 10:33.45 | enouf | xpika: directfb in console |
| 10:34.05 | xushi | jacob007: i see or feel nothing bad at all.. the only reason i'm diong this is because i'm getting daily kernel panics, and was just going through all my hard drives with smartctl as a precaution |
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| 10:34.17 | xushi | then i noticed my main scsi hd (OS) is reporting these ECC errors |
| 10:35.03 | wols | but all corrected |
| 10:35.17 | xushi | it seems so, yea |
| 10:36.36 | xpika | enouf: Is there a window manager for that? |
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| 10:37.31 | clusty | hey |
| 10:37.39 | enouf | xpika: no, it's all console/terminal, non X, unless you start talking about XDirectfb |
| 10:37.46 | clusty | i am having mounting ftp folders |
| 10:37.58 | clusty | tried curlftpfs but its not all that stable |
| 10:38.09 | clusty | when I try to rm something the connection breaks |
| 10:38.14 | clusty | are there alternatives? |
| 10:38.32 | clusty | which are rock solid? |
| 10:38.52 | enouf | xpika: there's some things you might want to look at like tinyX, xnest, kdrive, etc |
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| 10:42.39 | xushi | results of the long test, http://pastebin.ca/923202 |
| 10:43.36 | wols | the disk is fine. no grown defect list entry, passed long test |
| 10:43.44 | wols | what do you want with a GMR based disk? |
| 10:43.53 | xushi | that's good to know. |
| 10:43.57 | xushi | what's a GMR based disk ? |
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| 10:49.57 | andrboot | @ wols wat? |
| 10:50.54 | xushi | i'm assuming MR is magnetic rotation |
| 10:51.10 | wols | GMR = giant magentoresistance |
| 10:51.13 | wols | *magneto |
| 10:51.43 | xushi | not sure why.. i have this scsi disk since ~2003 :) |
| 10:52.06 | azeem | I thought all disks built in the last ten years are GMR |
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| 10:52.45 | wols | azeem: not that long IIRC |
| 10:53.10 | cunzhang | hi,I have installed kde4.but why can't I find kdm4 ? |
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| 10:56.13 | wols | !kde4 |
| 10:56.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
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| 10:57.47 | clusty | so anyone ever tried to mount ftp servers? |
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| 10:58.03 | SerajewelKS | eww |
| 10:59.27 | wols | !tell clusty about anyone |
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| 11:00.15 | clusty | wols, i did ask |
| 11:00.22 | clusty | wols, this was just a nag |
| 11:00.40 | clusty | to show i am still here and my question has not been answered |
| 11:00.41 | wols | you did ask a anyone question which is simply stupid |
| 11:00.58 | clusty | <clusty> i am having mounting ftp folders |
| 11:00.59 | clusty | <clusty> tried curlftpfs but its not all that stable |
| 11:00.59 | clusty | <clusty> when I try to rm something the connection breaks |
| 11:00.59 | clusty | <clusty> are there alternatives? |
| 11:00.59 | clusty | <clusty> which are rock solid? |
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| 11:01.12 | wols | FUSE has a ftp module |
| 11:01.19 | wols | or use some sshfs |
| 11:01.24 | clusty | wols, apparently its outdated |
| 11:01.25 | SerajewelKS | bag too |
| 11:01.34 | petemc | i wouldnt say fuse is rock solid |
| 11:01.43 | clusty | my point |
| 11:01.51 | wols | petemc: I wouldn't say ANY ftp fs is rock solid |
| 11:02.00 | clusty | i just noticed that all the backups from 1 month till now are incomplete |
| 11:02.06 | petemc | no, definately not |
| 11:02.24 | clusty | transfer choked half way |
| 11:02.26 | Slap_Sti1k | where can i find out user account information i.e. maybe password expirations of a user etc? |
| 11:02.44 | SerajewelKS | i wouldn't say ftp is rock solid |
| 11:02.55 | petemc | sure it is |
| 11:03.46 | SerajewelKS | any protocol that has built into it this notion of active/passive connections is, IMO broken |
| 11:03.52 | clusty | what about samba? |
| 11:04.03 | cloakable | broken |
| 11:04.06 | streuner | !start a protocol war |
| 11:04.09 | clusty | :D |
| 11:04.16 | streuner | hm, dpkg missing that |
| 11:04.36 | clusty | seems i am doomed to tar locally and upload at end :( |
| 11:04.45 | petemc | i think ftp, with its known issues, is pretty much tried and tested |
| 11:05.23 | clusty | i never has issues with sshfs (besides some minor lock file issues) |
| 11:05.46 | clusty | but ftp or samba constantly choke |
| 11:05.55 | SerajewelKS | don't confuse "works" will "good design" |
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| 11:09.45 | sander_m | enouf: I've written a simple XML formatter in PHP and I've found the mismatched tag. Thanks for all your help! |
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| 11:14.04 | heroxbd | !tell heroxbd about anyone |
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| 11:14.49 | SerajewelKS | !tell heroxbd about msg the bot |
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| 11:18.30 | streuner | dpkg, start a protocol war is <reply> (IP|UDP|TCP|DHCP|HTTP|FTP|telnet|SSH|POP3|SMTP|IMAP) (is a security risk|systems are liable to be r00ted|rulez|sucks|owns|loses data|is hard to configure|has shitty documentation) |
| 11:18.31 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 11:21.48 | BadRobot | hi |
| 11:21.52 | BadRobot | i need some help regarding wlan or wifi |
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| 11:21.57 | BadRobot | is there anyway to back hacked if i am not using wap/wep password? |
| 11:21.58 | BadRobot | sorry i mean to be hacked |
| 11:22.12 | SerajewelKS | streuner: SMB! |
| 11:22.30 | streuner | SerajewelKS: feel free to add that :-) |
| 11:22.48 | SerajewelKS | BadRobot: if you are not using encryption at all, joe user's mother can "hack" you |
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| 11:23.12 | SerajewelKS | though it's not really hacking you, it's more like stealing your cable from the line you installed in thir house yourself |
| 11:23.20 | Eulex | BadRobot, what do you mean by 'hack'? connect to the network? |
| 11:23.26 | BadRobot | yep |
| 11:23.30 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: no, start a protocol war is <reply> (IP|UDP|TCP|DHCP|HTTP|FTP|telnet|SSH|POP3|SMTP|IMAP|SMB) (is a security risk|systems are liable to be r00ted|rulez|sucks|owns|loses data|is hard to configure|has shitty documentation) |
| 11:23.30 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 11:23.42 | Eulex | BadRobot, anyone can. |
| 11:24.20 | BadRobot | I am having to problems with my wifi card ,i can't connect if i turn on the wep password |
| 11:24.23 | SerajewelKS | the only places that should be running unsecured wireless are public access points, like libraries and coffee houses |
| 11:24.23 | Eulex | heck, often computers connect to the network automatically |
| 11:24.50 | SerajewelKS | and even some of them use WEP/WAP and you have to see them to get the key (though it's usually free) |
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| 11:25.40 | petemc | SerajewelKS: i leave my wireless open - why should i care if someone uses it? |
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| 11:27.02 | BadRobot | yep my does |
| 11:27.02 | BadRobot | if it can't connect to my own it connects to my neighbors open wifi |
| 11:27.02 | BadRobot | so,is there any security problem then? |
| 11:27.02 | BadRobot | I always think that Linux couldn't be hacked |
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| 11:28.21 | heroxbd | BadRobot left the room (Kicked by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)). ---- why? |
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| 11:29.10 | petemc | he used the enter key as punctuation |
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| 11:29.10 | heroxbd | He just said 4 lines |
| 11:29.10 | Cromag | you postet 4 lines in 1 second |
| 11:29.22 | heroxbd | Oh , I see |
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| 11:30.24 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all I know that I can get the commands I typed in using history..however if I have two putty windows open I can only see the history for each session...how can I see the history for all commands..on all sessions for the same user |
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| 11:45.23 | Coke | My machine (Debian testing with 2.6.22-3-686 kernel) crashes hard when I use snd-seq-midi with my snd-ice1712 driver. I have not been able to find any specific bug reports on this issiue, is there a way for me to find out if this is a driver problem or if the hardware is actualy broken? |
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| 11:46.00 | Coke | When the machine crashes/hangs, it just freezes and the keyboard LEDs start to blink. |
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| 11:46.17 | Coke | Could it be something as simple as IRQ conflict? |
| 11:46.51 | petemc | did you try a more recent kernel |
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| 11:57.56 | enouf | sysadmin-lb22: in short, you can't |
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| 11:58.23 | sysadmin-lb22 | enouf, so in order to see the history i Need to logon the same tty |
| 11:58.24 | sysadmin-lb22 | ? |
| 11:59.20 | enouf | sysadmin-lb22: each is it's own process/xterm/pts, etc - i tried to - using something like konsole for xterm, annoys the f out of me - closest you can come perhaps is issuing history -w every now and then and maybe sync, to flush the buffers to disk |
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| 12:04.02 | awesomeguy | my debian is completely glitched up for some reason. my desktop background is completely gone, my menus use weird folder icons instead of the normal ones, and when I open a window of anything it keeps itself stuck to the top-left of the screen |
| 12:04.48 | awesomeguy | how do i get it back to normal\ |
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| 12:05.24 | awesomeguy | and, i dont see the things for my open windows at the bottom of the screen |
| 12:05.35 | heroxbd | awesomeguy: what window manager are you using? |
| 12:05.49 | wols | awesomeguy: run a window manager |
| 12:05.49 | awesomeguy | idk, wich one comes with debian? |
| 12:06.00 | awesomeguy | how |
| 12:06.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | about 15 :p |
| 12:06.11 | awesomeguy | it was working yesterday |
| 12:06.20 | awesomeguy | how do i tell wich one i have |
| 12:06.59 | petemc | probably gnome |
| 12:07.04 | heroxbd | error would paste a screenshot ? |
| 12:07.18 | awesomeguy | ok then how do i make it run |
| 12:07.34 | awesomeguy | i cant see my menus that are supposed to be in the top left |
| 12:07.40 | Eulex | you run metacity |
| 12:07.47 | Eulex | and gnome-panel |
| 12:07.54 | awesomeguy | from a terminal? |
| 12:07.55 | heroxbd | heroxbd: try to type "print screen" |
| 12:08.18 | awesomeguy | k |
| 12:08.19 | heroxbd | awesomeguy: sorry.... my fingers are crazy last minute |
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| 12:10.14 | awesomeguy | ok it said metacity was an unknown command or something, and when i did gnome-panel it just said it was already running. |
| 12:10.19 | awesomeguy | >:( |
| 12:10.49 | Coke | petemc: I think 2.6.22-3 is the most recent for testing, right? |
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| 12:11.17 | awesomeguy | >:( how di i fix the window manager or whatever is screwing up |
| 12:11.21 | awesomeguy | * do |
| 12:11.43 | heroxbd | awesomeguy: can you give a screen shot? I can't figure out what is going wrong. |
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| 12:12.31 | awesomeguy | ok |
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| 12:15.46 | holst | If I have a package which runs apt-get in the post script it wont work |
| 12:15.52 | holst | because apt-get is locked |
| 12:15.56 | holst | how can I solve that? |
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| 12:17.24 | heroxbd | holst:a package which runs apt-get? You mean calling apt-get again and again? |
| 12:17.44 | wols | holst: why would you do that? |
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| 12:18.27 | enouf | update-alternatives --list x-windows-manager ? |
| 12:19.02 | kubitz | holst I resolved a strange issue with apt by using aptitude to remove and reinstall apt. I found a how to somewhere. I can't find it now. |
| 12:19.47 | enouf | update-alternatives --list x-window-manager <-- correction, window is not plural |
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| 12:20.19 | holst | wols: because i run m-a prepare |
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| 12:20.51 | kubitz | bit of a sledgehammer approach I'll gant you |
| 12:21.11 | enouf | make sure do "/usr/sbin/update-alternatives ..." -- or like i do, run it as root, so you can --config thereafter |
| 12:21.14 | o2T7 | holst: are you running it as root? |
| 12:21.17 | kubitz | I have to answer the door |
| 12:21.25 | holst | o2T7: yes, but its locked |
| 12:21.26 | enouf | !ding |
| 12:21.26 | dpkg | i guess ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/, or dong |
| 12:21.30 | holst | apt-get locks the db |
| 12:21.34 | holst | so m-i wont work |
| 12:21.40 | holst | m-i prepare |
| 12:21.48 | o2T7 | holst: it only locks it when is running |
| 12:21.49 | enouf | m-a prepare |
| 12:22.09 | enouf | oh, he knows, my bad |
| 12:22.11 | holst | yes, sorry. m-a prepare |
| 12:22.53 | o2T7 | does `ps ax |grep apt` give you some output? |
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| 12:23.01 | enouf | holst: bluntly, you don't |
| 12:23.17 | holst | I thought of that |
| 12:23.21 | holst | to just not do it |
| 12:23.26 | enouf | it's dpkg on the lock likely, if i'm understanding |
| 12:23.32 | holst | but it would be very convenient to do m-a prepare in the post install script |
| 12:23.54 | holst | ...so if there is any nice way to do it... |
| 12:24.11 | enouf | holst: not sure, for your specific circumstance |
| 12:24.25 | enouf | but if it says locked, it's locked for a reason ;-) |
| 12:24.32 | heroxbd | holst: I have been misunderstanding your problem.... |
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| 12:25.09 | enouf | holst: you know you can string along commands in bash using ; as a separator, yes? |
| 12:25.17 | enouf | or && as well, etc |
| 12:25.27 | holst | yes but my package calls apt-get informally |
| 12:25.32 | holst | apt-get mypack |
| 12:25.40 | holst | and mypack calls m-a prepare which calls apt-get |
| 12:25.57 | enouf | holst: wiat, maybe auto-apt? |
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| 12:26.04 | enouf | !auto-apt |
| 12:26.04 | dpkg | [auto-apt] very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 12:26.08 | holst | hmm |
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| 12:26.32 | enouf | !apt-build |
| 12:26.33 | dpkg | hmm... apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 12:26.55 | enouf | ok, scratch that last one ;-) |
| 12:27.01 | holst | hehe |
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| 12:29.26 | eifzon | Anyone knows where I can get a debian 80x15 banner? |
| 12:29.36 | enouf | make one? |
| 12:29.39 | eifzon | to lazy |
| 12:29.45 | enouf | convert from imagemagick |
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| 12:29.51 | enouf | from gimp |
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| 12:30.34 | enouf | no idea what size cdrom.ico is |
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| 12:32.17 | eifzon | enouf: where is that file located? |
| 12:32.36 | enouf | eifzon: on installation cd, iso |
| 12:32.41 | eifzon | ok |
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| 12:35.08 | eifzon | enouf: it didn't look good in 80x15 |
| 12:35.52 | enouf | i see |
| 12:36.22 | enouf | i'm loop mounting various isos i have and can't even find it yet O_o |
| 12:36.47 | eifzon | ok |
| 12:36.55 | kahdgarxi | I'm working on a machine running debian 3.10.. any time I try to apt-get install any package, it wants to remove my kernel.. how can I prevent it from doing that? |
| 12:37.23 | wols | kahdgarxi: what is in your sources.list |
| 12:37.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | 3.10? |
| 12:37.30 | lior | help: my home server (router and firewall) is crashing when trying to open many bittorrent connection on one of the clients. (pentium 2 200MHz 192MB RAM). all logs are normal - how can i find the problem? |
| 12:37.41 | wols | kahdgarxi: you should upgrade soon btw. sarge will be put off support in april |
| 12:37.50 | kahdgarxi | wols: ack |
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| 12:39.20 | enouf | eifzon: but i have old(er) ISOs, newer one's i burned - oh wait - well you found it .. on what? Etch ISO? netinstaller? |
| 12:39.50 | kahdgarxi | wols: http://pastebin.org/21835 |
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| 12:40.23 | enouf | yeah, i burned my DVD, so didn't want the extra 4.3G hogging space, so i rm'd it |
| 12:40.29 | wols | kahdgarxi: you have "stable" in your sources.list |
| 12:40.39 | wols | stable is and has been etch for almost a year now |
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| 12:40.47 | eifzon | enouf: etch iso |
| 12:40.49 | wols | do a proper upgrade to it |
| 12:40.54 | enouf | ok |
| 12:40.56 | wols | !tell kahdgarxi sarge->etch |
| 12:41.17 | wols | kahdgarxi: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 12:41.23 | enouf | eifzon: i know i've seen it, and you've proven it :-P |
| 12:41.30 | wols | !tell kahdgarxi about sarge->etch |
| 12:41.50 | enouf | lior: oom-killer? |
| 12:42.14 | enouf | lior: got swap? is it full right before crashing? |
| 12:42.44 | lior | enouf: swap is empty. ram usage is only 20mb. and what is oom-killer? |
| 12:43.38 | enouf | lior: your p2 200 is using 20MB of RAM while up, running and making tons of bittorrent conns? |
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| 12:44.38 | lior | enouf: it crashes when tring to make tons of connections (not from the server- from a client on the internal lan). |
| 12:44.41 | enouf | what does empty mean? doesn't exist? |
| 12:45.12 | enouf | oh, the Server is crashing, my bad |
| 12:45.34 | lior | ]$ free -m |
| 12:45.35 | lior | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.35 | lior | Mem: 187 28 158 0 2 13 |
| 12:45.35 | lior | -/+ buffers/cache: 11 175 |
| 12:45.35 | lior | Swap: 313 0 313 |
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| 12:45.42 | enouf | !fail |
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| 12:46.06 | enouf | !tell lior about pastebin |
| 12:46.08 | lior | sorry for flooding |
| 12:46.22 | poison_ | hi all, does anybody know a good web-based certificate authority manage tool (like tinyca but with a web frontend)? |
| 12:46.35 | enouf | lior: so that's from the Server? (router/firewall) ? |
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| 12:46.50 | lior | yes |
| 12:47.03 | enouf | lior: and what release of Debian? and which kernel? |
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| 12:47.20 | lior | latest |
| 12:47.29 | enouf | haha - nice try |
| 12:47.32 | lior | Linux bandi 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:48.05 | enouf | lior: cat /proc/version |
| 12:48.22 | lior | Debian 4.1.1-21 |
| 12:48.27 | enouf | lol |
| 12:48.33 | enouf | !fail lior |
| 12:48.41 | lior | ? |
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| 12:48.56 | cloakable | drakonak |
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| 12:48.58 | enouf | is that VMware? |
| 12:49.02 | enouf | lior: ^^^^^^ |
| 12:49.05 | cloakable | dammit |
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| 12:49.17 | lior | no |
| 12:49.44 | lior | why do you think it vmware? |
| 12:49.45 | Agiofws | enouf, anyone use vmware server ? |
| 12:49.52 | enouf | Agiofws: not me |
| 12:50.01 | Agiofws | oh ok |
| 12:50.02 | enouf | Agiofws: there's #vmware |
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| 12:50.51 | enouf | lior: cat /proc/version doesn't exude what you posted |
| 12:51.06 | Nyle | hi |
| 12:51.13 | enouf | morn |
| 12:51.23 | lior | i know. didn't want to be kicked again :) |
| 12:51.29 | cloakable | heh |
| 12:51.30 | lior | one long line is okay? |
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| 12:51.31 | Nyle | !tell Agiofws about anyone |
| 12:51.36 | enouf | logd: yes |
| 12:51.38 | enouf | er |
| 12:51.45 | lior | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 |
| 12:51.45 | enouf | lior: yes |
| 12:51.55 | enouf | ok |
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| 12:52.22 | Nyle | hm |
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| 12:52.29 | Nyle | fuone |
| 12:52.32 | enouf | lior: there was always pastebin too ;-) but nm |
| 12:53.20 | enouf | lior: so - your Server crashes when the client (200MHz p2) tries to connect to it a lot? |
| 12:53.32 | enouf | lior: apologies if i'm not following well |
| 12:53.46 | Nyle | enouf: did you sleep last night? |
| 12:53.57 | lior | :) |
| 12:53.58 | enouf | Nyle: i forget |
| 12:54.08 | Nyle | seems like it |
| 12:54.13 | Nyle | you are out of it |
| 12:54.16 | lior | no. my server is pentium2 200 mhz with 192mb ram |
| 12:54.17 | Nyle | go to bed dude |
| 12:54.22 | enouf | pass the bowl man |
| 12:54.29 | Nyle | just woke up, you know it |
| 12:54.34 | expose | How to get rid of that stupid "mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux:" bug every time i boot? |
| 12:54.38 | lior | client is a laptop |
| 12:54.42 | Nyle | lior: may I inquire as to why your server is so crappy/old? |
| 12:54.49 | Nyle | like a real server server for something |
| 12:54.55 | Nyle | or are you just calling it a server |
| 12:55.21 | lior | i call it "server" just to make it feel good with itself |
| 12:55.26 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 12:55.34 | Nyle | you have to careful of the server's feelings |
| 12:55.37 | Nyle | absolutely |
| 12:55.58 | lior | but i thought it could handle the task |
| 12:56.07 | Nyle | which task? |
| 12:56.18 | lior | the routing-firewalling task |
| 12:56.28 | Nyle | oh, sure, that it can handle without a problem |
| 12:56.31 | Nyle | but ... |
| 12:56.42 | Nyle | its a p2, plus other components are running |
| 12:56.50 | enouf | bye bye |
| 12:56.51 | Nyle | maybe in electricity costs, the p2 is not worth using |
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| 12:57.01 | Nyle | try a 30$ NAT router |
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| 12:57.18 | Nyle | or spend even more money on electric bill using a machine you don't need to use. |
| 12:57.21 | lior | where's the fun in that? |
| 12:57.27 | Nyle | who pays the bills? |
| 12:57.40 | lior | my old-folks :D |
| 12:57.43 | Nyle | w/e man, thats my two cents. |
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| 12:58.31 | jetscreamer | old folks should just turn off the circuit breakers on him |
| 12:58.37 | Nyle | lol |
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| 12:58.45 | lior | i don't think it's hardware, anyway. |
| 12:58.50 | Nyle | you wanna learn how to router |
| 12:58.56 | Nyle | try runing a virtual machine |
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| 12:59.10 | Nyle | I had 7 machines in my room |
| 12:59.17 | Nyle | now only 2 |
| 12:59.21 | Nyle | can't afford to keep em on |
| 12:59.26 | Nyle | electric in nyc costs out the ass |
| 12:59.27 | lior | vm on that old server?! |
| 12:59.36 | Nyle | no, on your desktop |
| 12:59.38 | o2T7 | Nyle, also they're a dust source |
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| 12:59.49 | jetscreamer | my bill runs 500 in the summer w/ac |
| 12:59.55 | Nyle | yup |
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| 13:00.02 | Nyle | here its even more |
| 13:00.04 | o2T7 | o2T7: i got rid of 5 machines not too long ago :) |
| 13:00.11 | Nyle | 40% more than the south |
| 13:00.16 | lior | but my desktop is a laptop, and other clients are windows machines |
| 13:00.24 | o2T7 | o2T7: Now i am happy with all that free space :) |
| 13:00.24 | Nyle | o2T7: lay down bro |
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| 13:00.32 | o2T7 | oops |
| 13:00.37 | Nyle | before you hurt yourself |
| 13:00.39 | Nyle | ;) |
| 13:00.39 | o2T7 | xD |
| 13:00.45 | lior | +the electricity is not that expensive in where i live |
| 13:00.55 | o2T7 | blame me and probably i do it! |
| 13:01.02 | o2T7 | o2T7: you're a ... |
| 13:01.04 | o2T7 | :D |
| 13:01.11 | Nyle | you are funny |
| 13:01.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer: whats up man |
| 13:01.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I told my boss to go fuck himself, so I don't admin any more bullshit |
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| 13:01.49 | Nyle | jetscreamer: the other day I had to hear 1 hour lecture on insubordination |
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| 13:02.03 | Nyle | he said i know tar has a function for rewinding a tape |
| 13:02.11 | Nyle | go read the manpage and find that switch/argument |
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| 13:02.18 | Nyle | so I told him, that it doesn't |
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| 13:02.28 | Nyle | I know for a fact that it doesnt, he kept telling me it does |
| 13:02.38 | Nyle | so I printed out the tar manpage and mt manpage and gave him |
| 13:02.47 | Nyle | since he was wrong he gets pissed off and yells at me |
| 13:03.06 | Nyle | I said mother fucker, I don't need you or your job, you are an idiot sir. good bye. |
| 13:03.25 | jetscreamer | ah youth |
| 13:03.26 | Nyle | that was some 80 year old jewish guy owns the company |
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| 13:03.35 | Nyle | comes at us with extreme prejudice |
| 13:03.43 | Nyle | that anyone young is a complete fuckup |
| 13:03.46 | jetscreamer | what does his religion have to do with his skill set |
| 13:03.47 | Nyle | that we were raised wrong |
| 13:03.51 | Nyle | our genration is fucke dup |
| 13:04.02 | Nyle | some shit about 'millenials' or some such bullshit |
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| 13:04.12 | jetscreamer | all generations are fucked up afaict |
| 13:04.18 | Nyle | I was like dude |
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| 13:04.51 | heroxbd | how to extend a reiserfs partition |
| 13:04.56 | loslalfos | Nyle, I think I mentiones that he might have meant the device files instead... |
| 13:05.04 | loslalfos | mentioned |
| 13:05.56 | Nyle | you are a sick twisted senile old man, you have no idea how to talk to people. The way you treat people that work for you, are only going to work for you because they need money or they have no self respect. they are only going to only hard enough to not get fired. Either hire people in your own age group, or learn to deal with the changing world. |
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| 13:06.45 | Nyle | You say thigns were good back in the day, young kids were good, etc. etc., dude.. no, it was good becuase YOU were young. Youth is good, not your times. Now that is gone, and you're fucked, and hate eveything else and won't accept new shit |
| 13:06.56 | Nyle | it felt awesome anyway im getting ot |
| 13:07.04 | Nyle | loslalfos: I dunno what problem you are having |
| 13:07.19 | Nyle | heroxbd: google for resize reiserfs |
| 13:07.34 | Nyle | i dunno if you can, but if you can , you should be able to do it with gparted |
| 13:07.36 | Nyle | maybe |
| 13:08.09 | loslalfos | nyle: just step back for a sec and read what you just wrote. and read what i just wrote... |
| 13:08.37 | Nyle | loslalfos: hmm, so what are you saying |
| 13:08.43 | jetscreamer | heroxbd: you don't like your data eh, you want it to go away |
| 13:08.45 | Nyle | loslalfos: sorry not you |
| 13:08.53 | loslalfos | i'm saying you should listen occasionally... |
| 13:08.56 | Nyle | heroxbd: see what I said about reiser fs |
| 13:09.21 | Nyle | loslalfos: I did. I even wrote him a script with conditional execution of tar + mt |
| 13:09.35 | Nyle | loslalfos: i don't get you. |
| 13:10.04 | jetscreamer | consult the oracle! |
| 13:10.36 | Nyle | gparted can resize rfs i think |
| 13:10.40 | Nyle | can't it |
| 13:10.46 | jetscreamer | oops wrong channel |
| 13:10.52 | loslalfos | Nyle: ok. I'll try again. depending on which tape device you are accessing, it (the exact same physical device) behaves differently. it may or may not rewind afterwards... |
| 13:11.10 | Nyle | loslalfos: he is used to a 30 year old unix |
| 13:11.33 | Nyle | loslalfos: I am aware of that, but what he wanted was not correct |
| 13:11.36 | heroxbd | I have found it: resize_reiserfs :) |
| 13:11.40 | loslalfos | Nyle: i see. he might still be right, though. ;) |
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| 13:12.04 | Nyle | loslalfos: find me a function in the RHEL tar program that can rewind a tape. |
| 13:12.07 | jetscreamer | i would think being unable to rewind a tape would be a - |
| 13:12.20 | loslalfos | Nyle: ah, ok. you could have said that te other day... ;9 |
| 13:12.24 | loslalfos | ;) |
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| 13:12.37 | Nyle | you probably didn't read what +I+ said |
| 13:12.39 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:12.47 | Farhadix | hi guys, i typed cat test.txt | wget but it dose not work ! anyone can help me? |
| 13:12.49 | Nyle | I said this like 4 minutes ago |
| 13:12.59 | Nyle | !wayttd Farhadix |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Farhadix? |
| 13:13.02 | loslalfos | Nyle: I probably just weren' around then anymore... :) |
| 13:13.17 | Nyle | its alright my man |
| 13:13.19 | Nyle | no biggie |
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| 13:13.40 | Nyle | btw |
| 13:13.47 | Nyle | if you look at cash vs taxes |
| 13:14.06 | Nyle | I was making 1500$ more every month at my prev. job |
| 13:14.15 | Nyle | I'm going back to delivering pizza part time |
| 13:14.22 | Nyle | I can't work for nobody man, the kind of person I am |
| 13:14.36 | Nyle | I am going to concentrate on my business only now |
| 13:15.02 | Nyle | I work 4-6 hours a day doing pizza, I make more money than that damn IT job |
| 13:15.07 | Nyle | anyway |
| 13:15.09 | Nyle | im out |
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| 13:21.46 | Nyle | hi |
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| 13:22.15 | jetscreamer | !wb nyle |
| 13:22.15 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! nyle has returned! |
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| 13:22.37 | kahdgarxi | Thanks for the help guys |
| 13:22.48 | loslalfos | seven minutes of precious silence... ;) |
| 13:23.40 | diafic | in the Terminal Server Client, why is XDMCP greyed out |
| 13:23.42 | diafic | ? |
| 13:24.44 | jetscreamer | it's disabled by default |
| 13:25.10 | diafic | How do I enable it? |
| 13:25.43 | jetscreamer | not sure.. aka i forget never used it... |
| 13:25.46 | jetscreamer | !xdcmp |
| 13:25.50 | jetscreamer | err |
| 13:25.55 | jetscreamer | !xdmcp |
| 13:25.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world" |
| 13:26.06 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 13:26.26 | diafic | On the client end? |
| 13:26.35 | jetscreamer | i believe it's a gdm/kdm/xdm setting |
| 13:26.42 | jetscreamer | so it would be on the server in the .conf |
| 13:26.47 | jetscreamer | hth all i know |
| 13:27.00 | diafic | But the line is grey in the *client* |
| 13:27.03 | jetscreamer | oh.. and take it with a grain of salt |
| 13:27.10 | jetscreamer | right |
| 13:27.21 | jetscreamer | there is no xdmcp.. atm. it's turned off. |
| 13:27.34 | diafic | :s |
| 13:27.38 | diafic | so what do I do? |
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| 13:27.56 | jetscreamer | enable it on the server in ?dm, i 'think' |
| 13:28.09 | diafic | :s |
| 13:28.14 | diafic | But the *client* is greyed out |
| 13:28.20 | jetscreamer | right... |
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| 13:28.31 | diafic | how does the client know to grey it out if it doesn't even know *what* server |
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| 13:28.54 | jetscreamer | ok try the client's then |
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| 13:29.17 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:29.29 | diafic | I don't HAVE a /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config |
| 13:29.44 | diafic | actually, no /etc/X11/xdm directory at all :s |
| 13:29.56 | jetscreamer | ok but are you using xdm |
| 13:30.12 | jetscreamer | or gdm or kdm |
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| 13:31.18 | jetscreamer | i'm going to say you're using gdm. go into the actions and choose configure gdm |
| 13:31.35 | jetscreamer | it's the 4th tab iirc, or so |
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| 13:34.47 | Noboru | hi guys,how are you ? |
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| 13:35.03 | Noboru | i have a very strange question to ask,may i ? |
| 13:35.06 | loslalfos | jetscreamer: you aren't unable to rewind a tape. by using a certain device file you actually choose *not* to rewind. it's a feature. :) |
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| 13:42.58 | jetscreamer | loslalfos: yeah mt or autorewind... i did the google and spammage |
| 13:43.19 | jetscreamer | i used one tape in my life when i was 16 on a work thing in school |
| 13:43.45 | jetscreamer | iirc i crashed their mainframe |
| 13:44.01 | jetscreamer | ibm360 in an aircraft manuf. plant in montreal |
| 13:44.26 | jetscreamer | they didn't let me touch it again for some reason |
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| 14:05.42 | junix|work | hi, i am having a problem getting a script to run in my .profile for other users, i'm not sure why, but i've just added users to the system |
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| 14:06.06 | abrotman | junix|work: any errors? |
| 14:06.15 | junix|work | abrotman: no |
| 14:06.26 | junix|work | it is supposed to display this menu system |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | then you're going ti have to give us more info |
| 14:06.48 | junix|work | ok |
| 14:07.11 | junix|work | well i copied the .profile fom someone else's user account and gave it new perms |
| 14:08.03 | junix|work | but it won't run the dang script |
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| 14:08.41 | abrotman | you mean .bash_profile ? |
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| 14:09.02 | jelly | error0237: cut a line? |
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| 14:09.22 | junix|work | abrotman: does it need to be in my .bash_profile? |
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| 14:10.57 | abrotman | junix|work: possibly |
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| 14:14.51 | debian | Hello |
| 14:14.52 | SparFux | Hi everybody! |
| 14:15.07 | debian | gdm wont let me login to xfce... |
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| 14:15.17 | debian | Howt0 fix_ |
| 14:15.29 | debian | Using something named tabs now. Oo |
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| 14:17.50 | debian | abrotman: do you know_ |
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| 14:20.35 | spoown | Hello all !! |
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| 14:21.53 | spoown | is there a way to do this with awk ? "cut -f5-" Thanks for any answer !! |
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| 14:25.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | What's the quickest way to tell /dev/sdb to delete all existing partitions and set up one 15gb ext3 partition, and the remainder of the hard drive being a different ext3 partition? |
| 14:26.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | qtparted won't let me do it, for some reason |
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| 14:27.03 | theatro | it doesnt let you delete partitions one bye one? |
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| 14:27.14 | DustyBin | what would be a good filesystem to use for a external HD what can be shared between windows, mac os x and linux ? |
| 14:27.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I could delete the first partition (which was ntfs), but not the second. |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: is it mounted ? |
| 14:27.33 | Corty | hi |
| 14:27.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | no |
| 14:27.38 | Eulex | DustyBin, requiring write access from all of them? |
| 14:27.43 | DustyBin | Eulex: yes |
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| 14:27.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | No wait, it is |
| 14:27.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | HAL mounted it |
| 14:27.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Strange |
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| 14:28.18 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 14:28.28 | Ace2016 | how do i stop fsck being run on bootup? |
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| 14:28.56 | Eulex | DustyBin, vfat is the simplest. ext3 or ntfs might be possible too, but then you'd need to install special drivers on two of the systems. |
| 14:29.13 | abrotman | Ace2016: why is it being run? |
| 14:29.31 | Ace2016 | it runs every 30 boots or something |
| 14:29.33 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 14:29.40 | Ace2016 | or is it because i forced shutdown my sytem? |
| 14:29.54 | Ace2016 | i think virtualbox locked up the kernel |
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| 14:30.03 | DustyBin | is it possible to rsync data on a ext3 drive to a vfat formatted drive? |
| 14:30.45 | Eulex | Ace2016, it runs independently of that, to just check the integrity of the partition. |
| 14:30.59 | Pete_B | From what I understand 'fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdb1 | tee usbhddrepair.txt' should display to the screen and save in the file, yet I see nothing, anyone know why please? |
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| 14:31.11 | Ace2016 | so it was the forced shutdown that was making it check it? |
| 14:31.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Thanks |
| 14:31.18 | GNUtoo | hello, where can i report a problem with Iceweasel (was it debian that started it?) cause it says "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at" and " * make sure that Iceweasel is permitted to access the Web" it should say Iceweasel can't establish a connection... |
| 14:31.34 | Eulex | Ace2016, no, it runs once every 30 boot in the default configuration |
| 14:31.47 | Ace2016 | ah yes how do i change that? |
| 14:31.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | GNUtoo: There are two seperate Iceweasel projects, one maintained by Debian, the other by GNU, IIRC. |
| 14:31.54 | Grab | what's the difference between SCP and SFTP ? which one is faster? |
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| 14:31.59 | Ace2016 | either completely off or to run on every boot |
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| 14:32.39 | GNUtoo | Dark_Apostrophe, thanks i'll investigate |
| 14:32.45 | Ace2016 | yes, thats it, i want 30 boots to be xfs defrag, and every single boot i want the drive checked with fsck |
| 14:32.59 | Eulex | Ace2016, tune2fs |
| 14:33.10 | Eulex | ... for ext3 |
| 14:33.30 | DustyBin | did you know you can store over 1000 albums on 430gigs worth of space |
| 14:33.34 | DustyBin | in flac format |
| 14:33.48 | Ace2016 | i use xfs |
| 14:34.01 | Eulex | no idea for xfs |
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| 14:34.07 | abrotman | GNUtoo: unless you know you installed teh GNU one .. it's the Dbeian one |
| 14:34.34 | Ace2016 | xfs does have a defrag tool |
| 14:34.38 | jetscreamer | Ace2016: they get quickchecked on_boot by default |
| 14:34.54 | Ace2016 | but first how do i run fsck on every boot instead of the 30 boots? |
| 14:34.56 | jetscreamer | well jfs and ext does, i am ass-u-me-ing it works for all fs's |
| 14:35.18 | jetscreamer | you want a full on full blown fsck every boot? |
| 14:35.29 | jetscreamer | touch /forcefsck and make it immutable maybe |
| 14:35.31 | Ace2016 | yes |
| 14:35.35 | GNUtoo | abrotman, ok so does yours do the same thing? |
| 14:35.42 | Ace2016 | what about my other partitions? |
| 14:35.54 | jetscreamer | or something like that.. youcan set the frequency of the automatic ones though |
| 14:36.02 | jetscreamer | it's set in... in... |
| 14:36.37 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 14:37.19 | jetscreamer | you could be like windows and make a script to execute fsck.xfs, put it in rc2 et al |
| 14:37.21 | Ace2016 | ok done touch /forcefsck is done every time Xorg is started |
| 14:37.23 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 14:37.39 | jetscreamer | actually that would probably do all partitions |
| 14:37.45 | jetscreamer | so would suck |
| 14:37.55 | Ace2016 | why suck? xfs gets checked our really fast |
| 14:38.02 | Ace2016 | out* |
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| 14:38.53 | Pete_B | From what I understand 'fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdb1 | tee usbhddrepair.txt' should display to the screen and save in the file, yet I see nothing, anyone know why please? |
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| 14:39.27 | jetscreamer | i mean if you have more than that partition in your box |
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| 14:41.54 | abrotman | GNUtoo: no idea .. it might |
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| 14:42.35 | n0mad | helo, hav integrated and pci s.cards - how to enable both ? i can only get one ro antoher but not both at same time to work :/ ? |
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| 14:47.17 | wols | n0mad: does lspci show both cards? |
| 14:47.44 | masus | hi all , want to build an debian cluster ... can anyone give me any startpoints ... thanks |
| 14:47.53 | wols | !mpi |
| 14:47.53 | dpkg | methinks mpi is Message Passing Interface, a parallel programming standard for SMPs and clusters. http://www.mcs.anl.gov/mpi. It is a library specification for message-passing proposed as a standard. MPI was designed for high performance on both massively parallel machines and on workstation clusters. See MPICH and MPILAM. |
| 14:48.05 | wols | !beowulf |
| 14:48.05 | dpkg | it has been said that beowulf is that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
| 14:48.31 | masus | thanks |
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| 14:51.27 | n0mad | wols, u mean yes i see two multimedia audio controlers |
| 14:52.09 | wols | n0mad: load drivers for both |
| 14:52.17 | n0mad | how |
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| 14:52.32 | wols | man modprobe? |
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| 14:53.30 | MrKeuner | hi, I need to increase the debugging/verbosity level of acpid into syslog and I edit the /etc/defaults/acpid file and add -d to OPTIONS variable. However, when I restart /etc/init.d/acpid I get all the log in the stdout/stderr(which is also a documented feature). How can I make acpid log these into /var/log/acpid as well? (-l option does not work either, neither does 2>&1 >> /var/log/acpid) |
| 14:53.32 | sysadmin-lb22 | hey all ..any utility I can use as root to monitor all commands excecuted by all users ? |
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| 14:54.01 | Lucky13 | hi guys! how can i mount a partition inside a raid partition without creating a raid set? |
| 14:54.28 | acxty | I am getting kernel panic very often, I am lookin on kern.log but don't see nothing unusual, am I looking on the correct file? |
| 14:55.06 | spoown | acxty, look perhaps also in dmesg file |
| 14:55.17 | wols | acxty: what does the panic say? |
| 14:55.32 | valdyn | acxty: the panic itself is the unusual thing that is outputted by your kernel into kern.log |
| 14:55.45 | valdyn | acxty: there does not need to be anything else |
| 14:55.46 | MrKeuner | sysadmin-lb22: that would be an intrusion to privacy I would think, may be you can log only the usage of some applications, such as ps, etc |
| 14:55.51 | maligor | doesn't a panic halt the system |
| 14:55.58 | valdyn | maligor: no |
| 14:56.02 | maligor | I haven't had them for such a long time, I'm not sure |
| 14:56.06 | sysadmin-lb22 | MrKeuner, rather monitoring misconduct |
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| 14:56.11 | maligor | Only oopses a few times |
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| 14:56.33 | acxty | valdyn, so the kern.log must be empty if there isn't any kernel panic? |
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| 14:56.55 | spoown | sysadmin-lb22, look there : |
| 14:56.58 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 14:57.10 | spoown | sysadmin-lb22, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/88 it is exactly what you want, i think |
| 14:57.15 | valdyn | acxty: no, any kernel output is logged in kern.log |
| 14:57.17 | maligor | I mean in case of a kernel panic, the internal kernel state is unsafe, so if it doesn't halt, it can cause random effects |
| 14:57.26 | acxty | oh |
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| 14:58.15 | valdyn | maligor: let me try this quickly |
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| 14:59.57 | valdyn | now bonnie should crash btrfs, but im not sure if thats actually a panic..... |
| 15:00.07 | acxty | wols, right now I cannot tell you exactly what the kernle panic show, but I got alot snd_hda messages |
| 15:00.41 | valdyn | acxty: likely not useful if we cant see the panic |
| 15:01.07 | acxty | hehe, kern.log doesn't show me the error that is output |
| 15:01.14 | acxty | dmesg the same |
| 15:01.18 | maligor | snd_* implies alsa |
| 15:01.25 | acxty | don't know where it was logged? |
| 15:01.36 | valdyn | acxty: it likely wasnt logged to disk |
| 15:01.44 | valdyn | acxty: thats not at all unusual |
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| 15:02.00 | maligor | yeah, I've never seen a panic logged onto disk on my system |
| 15:02.17 | vjsp | hello. rcconf and sysv-rc-conf aren't showing all the /etc/init.d/ scripts.. why? |
| 15:02.33 | valdyn | vjsp: why use those shit scripts? |
| 15:02.38 | maligor | acxty, snd_hda_intel I guess? |
| 15:02.48 | valdyn | vjsp: i mean rcconf and sysv-rc-conf, those tools are trash |
| 15:03.28 | acxty | yes, something like that |
| 15:03.44 | vjsp | valdyn: why ? renaming manually is a lot of work |
| 15:04.02 | valdyn | vjsp: why would you rename what manually? |
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| 15:04.20 | vjsp | valdyn: rename /etc/rc?.d/ links |
| 15:04.48 | sysadmin-lb22 | spoown, kewl utilituy |
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| 15:05.24 | valdyn | maligor: alright, i guess it will halt on panic, because this is just a BUG (kernel BUG at /usr/src/modules/btrfs/extent-tree.c:1746!) |
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| 15:05.37 | valdyn | vjsp: why the hell would you do that? |
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| 15:06.01 | Lectus | Hello! I tried installing debian but it didn't recognize my hard disk. Any idea? |
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| 15:06.20 | maligor | Lectus, what ide controller? |
| 15:06.23 | valdyn | vjsp: thats a serious question, im not trying to play with you. |
| 15:06.31 | vjsp | valdyn: to select which services goes up when system boots |
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| 15:06.44 | vjsp | valdyn: ok, didnt tought you were |
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| 15:06.51 | valdyn | vjsp: mv /etc/init.d/service /etc/init.d/service.disabled |
| 15:06.57 | Lectus | maligor: I have 2 harddisks on other linux systems they appear as sda and sdb. I plain to install debian on sdb. |
| 15:07.10 | maligor | acxty, considering the state the hda_intel driver goes through, you can try updating alsa to 1.0.16 |
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| 15:07.18 | valdyn | vjsp: then "/etc/init.d/service.disabled stop" to stop it at once, if you need that |
| 15:07.33 | maligor | acxty, but with the info you've said, it's hard to conclude if it is from alsa, kernel panics are pretty serious stuff |
| 15:08.04 | acxty | I will wait for it to happen again and will copy the exact error |
| 15:08.08 | maligor | Lectus, SATA? |
| 15:08.08 | Maulkin | valdyn: That's not a very good idea. |
| 15:08.09 | vjsp | valdyn: thats manual renaming.. sysv-rc-conf do it much more easily and faster |
| 15:08.20 | valdyn | Maulkin: its good |
| 15:08.21 | Lectus | maligor: yes |
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| 15:08.27 | valdyn | Maulkin: but tell me why it wouldnt be good |
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| 15:08.46 | valdyn | Maulkin: its about the only sane way to do this in debian imo |
| 15:08.49 | Lectus | maligor: I could install Ubuntu. Don't they share the same hardware detection? |
| 15:09.06 | maligor | Lectus, stable was it? |
| 15:09.10 | Maulkin | valdyn: So what happens when a new package ships with that init file? |
| 15:09.41 | maligor | Lectus, you could try the testing installer, it could just be a missing pci-id or driver in the stable kernel, especially if it's a new motherboard model |
| 15:09.53 | valdyn | Maulkin: the new package asks me if i want to install its new file if the file is new, otherwise it will just not place to old one there |
| 15:09.54 | Maulkin | valdyn: other options include sysv-rc-conf, rcconf and update-rc.d. As well as changing the rc link names |
| 15:09.56 | Lectus | maligor: yes |
| 15:09.57 | Lucky13 | hi guys! how can i mount a partition inside a raid partition without creating a raid set? |
| 15:09.58 | msan | How do I set the priority on something in the alternatives system ? I want the Sun JDK to have the highest priority, not GCJ. |
| 15:10.10 | valdyn | Maulkin: those methods suck on package updates |
| 15:10.12 | Maulkin | valdyn: But you've just moved the old one away |
| 15:10.19 | Lectus | maligor: Where can I download testing? |
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| 15:10.35 | vjsp | Maulkin: the problem is sysv-rc-conf and rcconf aren't showing all the init scripts |
| 15:10.35 | Pascal_1 | hello |
| 15:10.35 | valdyn | Maulkin: if i just moved the old one away and i answer N when dpkg asks me, then the new init script will be server.dpkg-new |
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| 15:11.01 | maligor | Lectus, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:11.27 | valdyn | Maulkin: debian has a good way to handle config files, /etc/init.d/* is config files |
| 15:11.42 | Maulkin | valdyn: the correct answer is 'use update-rc.d' |
| 15:11.48 | valdyn | Maulkin: no |
| 15:11.48 | Maulkin | vjsp: Try update-rc.d |
| 15:11.51 | Maulkin | vjsp: yes it is/ |
| 15:11.56 | lleksah | does someone know a proggy that's allows to monitor what's sent to the usb ports on ur computer ? kind of a usb sniffer |
| 15:12.02 | valdyn | Maulkin: update-rc.d is even according to manpage not for users |
| 15:12.06 | maligor | Lectus, I'm pretty sure you could install stable from testing installers too, if you want that |
| 15:12.11 | Lectus | maligor: Thanks! I'll try to see if the testing installer solves this. |
| 15:12.17 | vjsp | Maulkin: update-rc.d doesn't change already existing scripts |
| 15:12.29 | Lectus | maligor: Actually I think testing must be better for desktop. |
| 15:12.38 | valdyn | Maulkin: update-rc.d requires you to _manually_ not what you changed or reinstall the package to get original back |
| 15:12.45 | Maulkin | vjsp: It does, it can remove and change the links that are used at system startup. |
| 15:12.45 | valdyn | s/not/note/ |
| 15:13.18 | maligor | Lectus, depends |
| 15:13.26 | Pascal_1 | i've got a problem with ldap and gdm : |
| 15:13.26 | Pascal_1 | on a fresh install of debian etch i install "apt-get install ldap-utils libpam-ldap libnss-ldap" |
| 15:13.26 | Pascal_1 | after that i modify some /etc/pam.d files, nsswitch, /etc/pam_ldap.conf and /etc/libnss-ldap.conf. |
| 15:13.26 | Pascal_1 | id works fine getent works fine, ssh with ldap authentication works fine, but when i want to connect with gdm from ldap authentication it doesnt works. |
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| 15:13.46 | Pascal_1 | oups |
| 15:13.46 | valdyn | vjsp: its ok, it just cant remember or revert to original rc*d links |
| 15:14.02 | Pascal_1 | http://pastebin.fr/1100 |
| 15:14.17 | vjsp | valdyn: what about update-rc.d service defaults ? |
| 15:14.27 | Maulkin | valdyn: go read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s-disableserv |
| 15:14.36 | valdyn | vjsp: thats not package defaults, its a system wide default like S25 |
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| 15:14.56 | valdyn | vjsp: it will most likely add at wrong startup / stop priority |
| 15:15.08 | Lectus | maligor: is KDE4 available for Debian? |
| 15:15.09 | Pascal_1 | anybody for my problem ? |
| 15:15.22 | adinc | in order to make use of fonts which can show characters from my preferred language, do i have to make use of consolefonts application? |
| 15:15.24 | vjsp | valdyn: its only system defaults if the package doesnt provide proper heading for the init script, isnt it ? |
| 15:15.28 | Maulkin | vjsp: you too |
| 15:15.36 | vjsp | Maulkin: i will |
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| 15:15.59 | valdyn | vjsp: probably, ive just seen it do the wrong thing each time, for "defaults" |
| 15:16.00 | maligor | Lectus, it's in experimental |
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| 15:17.00 | valdyn | Maulkin: i should probably send a patch to that document |
| 15:17.12 | maligor | Lectus, I couldn't say if you can install it on testing tho, might very well have dependencies on unstable |
| 15:17.13 | Maulkin | valdyn: And I'll be happy to object to it. |
| 15:17.35 | valdyn | Maulkin: but hes not wrong, hes just bringing the administration nightmare that update-rc.d creates for users |
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| 15:17.46 | vjsp | Maulkin: but the problem remain.. i know i could make all the changes i need with update-rc.d, but why rcconf and sysv-rc-conf arent showing all the scripts ? |
| 15:18.14 | maligor | Lectus, unless you plan on developing apps for it, I wouldn't recommend using it, it's half-done and pretty buggy |
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| 15:18.36 | Lectus | maligor: ok. thanks for the advice |
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| 15:19.02 | maligor | it does have lots of cool stuff tho, just not very usable yet |
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| 15:19.34 | Maulkin | vjsp: It's quite possible that they don't have the right sysv-rc headers in teh files. This is a release goal for lenny. |
| 15:19.41 | Lectus | maligor: Is it possible to do net inst from the debian KDE CD? |
| 15:20.02 | ks | question: is there standard way to run script at initial (first-time boot) boot ? |
| 15:20.54 | vjsp | Maulkin: the right headers in the init.d/ files ? |
| 15:21.08 | Maulkin | vjsp: yes |
| 15:21.14 | maligor | Lectus, I don't know |
| 15:21.21 | Maulkin | vjsp: it depends how those programs work. |
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| 15:22.42 | vlt | Hello. I'm in an sshfs'ed directory. `touch 1 2;` works. `rm 1; mv 2 1;` works, too. But `mv 2 1;` w/o deleting 1 before doesn't. Any idea, what causes this? |
| 15:22.52 | vjsp | Maulkin: but, for example, init.d/acpid doesnt have the 'begin init info/end init info' section, and its listed by sysv. init.d/bootmisc does have the proper heading, and its not listed |
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| 15:23.15 | valdyn | vjsp: .sh files are not listed? |
| 15:23.35 | valdyn | vjsp: at least here its bootmisc.sh |
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| 15:23.45 | wawadawa | jaxnewtech.blogspot.com >>for the newest tech articles!!! |
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| 15:24.08 | vjsp | valdyn: im checking |
| 15:24.52 | valdyn | vjsp: i dont know the policy for .sh scripts, but they seem to not start services, but run some kind of cleanup / initialisation that you better do not tamper with |
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| 15:26.28 | akuwamari | where can i get free music ? |
| 15:26.37 | Falkon | not here |
| 15:26.48 | valdyn | !fgi akuwamari free+music |
| 15:26.48 | dpkg | akuwamari: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=free+music |
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| 15:28.27 | Maulkin | vjsp: It's possibly looking for start-stop-demon or something. Have you considered reporting a bug agaist teh package? |
| 15:28.35 | mavhc | creativecommons.org or something |
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| 15:29.15 | Maulkin | Or perhaps there may be some information in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc-conf/ |
| 15:29.15 | Maulkin | Or possibly the sysv-rc-conf man page |
| 15:29.47 | vjsp | thats it.. sysv doesnt show .sh files |
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| 15:30.28 | vjsp | it also doesnt show the init.d/rc and init.d/rcS |
| 15:30.34 | Gun_Smoke | #ddrescue -n -b 2048 /dev/scd0 americangang.iso americangang.log Comes back with Command not found.. I know it's installed.. |
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| 15:31.19 | Touns | hi there |
| 15:32.09 | vjsp | btw, my init.d/skeleton is marked as executable.. is yours ? |
| 15:32.29 | cloakable | nope |
| 15:33.21 | vjsp | yeah, i think it shouldnt be.. |
| 15:33.31 | Touns | I try to change my resolution from 1024 to 1280. I try to do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesn't work. I try to manualy change the xorg.conf update the md5sum and restart gdm each time, but it doesn't work |
| 15:33.33 | vjsp | thanks valdyn and maulkin |
| 15:33.37 | Touns | someone have an idea please ? |
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| 15:34.28 | Touns | My debian is under virtualisation. On VirtualBox |
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| 15:35.24 | DawnLight | !tell Touns about not working |
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| 15:37.04 | Touns | DawnLight: ok sorry. I have no error message. I don't see it on a path like /var/log/xorg.log |
| 15:37.36 | Touns | it display it right, but in 1024... |
| 15:37.52 | DawnLight | Touns: what happens when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 15:40.02 | Maulkin | vjsp: Correct. /etc/init.d/skeleton is used as an example. |
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| 15:40.17 | abrotman | Touns: which driver? check the X log to see what it says about 1280 |
| 15:40.22 | Touns | DawnLight: I can set the option on the dialog box. After I restart and doesn't get any change :/ |
| 15:40.50 | Gun_Smoke | I have installed ddrescue, I've verified it's there, and I can't seem to start it. I get command not found. |
| 15:40.54 | Touns | abrotman: that's the trouble I think. It's a vesa driver. I'm under a virtualbox, it's a virtualisation |
| 15:40.55 | DawnLight | Touns: what does the log say |
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| 15:41.22 | abrotman | Touns: seriously doubt vesa can do 1280 |
| 15:41.26 | jelly | Gun_Smoke: ddrescue or dd_rescue? |
| 15:41.35 | vjsp | Maulkin: ok, thank you. ill try to digg for the reason rcconf doesnt show a lot of the avaiable services.. see you |
| 15:41.49 | Gun_Smoke | jelly ddrescue. |
| 15:42.04 | grendal_prime | i have to meet my training requirements for this quarter. (which is actually pretty cool really) Need to take some sort of linux security training course..any suggestions? |
| 15:42.11 | Touns | okkkk I get an error message under /var/log/gdm |
| 15:42.23 | Touns | It doesn't support DRI, so I will remove it and try again |
| 15:42.31 | Touns | tanks for your help ! |
| 15:42.36 | jelly | Gun_Smoke: and how did you verify it being there? What binaries does "dpkg -L packagename |grep bin/ " show? |
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| 15:44.18 | Gun_Smoke | jelly: Using aptitude, dpkg came back with /bin/dd_rescue I guess that would be my goof. |
| 15:44.43 | abrotman | grendal_prime: google ? |
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| 15:49.11 | flokuehn | 22sköfdafjhflhfsjf |
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| 15:49.47 | mout | Bonjour |
| 15:50.11 | mout | Je recherche un peu d'aide à propos de la commande MAKEDEV ? |
| 15:50.17 | mout | c'est possible ? |
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| 15:50.34 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:50.34 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:51.10 | mout | but on debian-fr, they don't want to help !!!!! |
| 15:52.13 | wols | we don't help people who talk french in here either |
| 15:52.24 | wols | so either talk english or #debian-fr |
| 15:52.45 | mout | ok i will try |
| 15:52.49 | SPF | specific language support is limited |
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| 15:53.13 | mout | i use the command MAKEDEV ut i always have the same problem : |
| 15:53.33 | mout | " don't know how to make device" |
| 15:53.49 | mout | did someone know this ? |
| 15:54.09 | abrotman | which device are oyu trying to create? |
| 15:54.17 | Touns | DawnLight, abrotman I dpkg-reconfigure again, remove DRI, but still get an error message on /var/log/gdm/0.log AIGLX : DRI module not loaded |
| 15:54.30 | abrotman | Touns: it's VESA .. what were oyu expecting ? |
| 15:54.49 | wols | Touns: that is no error |
| 15:55.00 | wols | mout: debian uses udev by now |
| 15:55.03 | Touns | wols: but it is write (EE) |
| 15:55.12 | wols | there is no MAKEDEV anymore to use |
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| 15:55.22 | wols | Touns: irrelevant |
| 15:55.23 | mout | the sentence is : /dev/MAKEDEV -v -d /mnt/emb/dev generic console |
| 15:55.28 | Touns | abrotman: I can try an other thing. but what ? I have a Nvidia 7600GS, but it's under virtualbox |
| 15:55.41 | mout | i try to follow a book " linux embarqué" |
| 15:55.41 | wols | mout: what debian version? |
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| 15:55.51 | mout | etch |
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| 15:55.59 | wols | mout: then get a book that knows what udev is |
| 15:56.15 | abrotman | Touns: i've not used virtualbox .. i have no idea if it can emulate something that supports 3d or not |
| 15:56.16 | mout | the book is the reference |
| 15:56.20 | roxazer | how do i change tha homedir for my user? |
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| 15:56.29 | wols | Andrean: it (sometimes?) can. chromium |
| 15:56.37 | abrotman | roxazer: vipw |
| 15:56.37 | wols | roxazer: cat /etc/passwd |
| 15:56.39 | chops | mout: Is /mnt/emb ultimately going to use udev? Or is it a static /dev? |
| 15:56.39 | smhar | I am having problems in. installing debian stable in virtualbox. I do not have eth0, configured. and I resolv.conf doesn't show the correct gateway ip. how to setup the the network properly? |
| 15:56.57 | mout | ok, but the book explain on a kernel 2.4 |
| 15:56.59 | chops | smhar: Edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:57.01 | mout | and i have a 2.6 |
| 15:57.06 | wols | smhar: resolv.conf NEVER does gateways |
| 15:57.06 | mout | is it the problem ? |
| 15:57.13 | roxazer | abrotman: wols : ty |
| 15:57.21 | wols | mout: etch doesn't run on kernel 2.4 either. throw that book away |
| 15:57.45 | Touns | abrotman: I don't want to have 3D, but only want to have 1280 * 1024 |
| 15:57.58 | wols | mout: in my debian 2.6 system: crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 2008-02-06 12:57 /dev/console |
| 15:58.14 | mout | no, but the book expalin the principe with a old version of debian using a kernel 2.4 but i try to use with a new version and the kernel 2.6 |
| 15:58.22 | mout | so maybe the prolem is that |
| 15:58.28 | abrotman | Touns: lspci | grep VGA .. what is the video that it is emulating? |
| 15:58.29 | loslalfos | wols: he shouldn't yet throw it away if he's preparing for LPIC-1 ;) |
| 15:58.38 | wols | Touns: ask the virtualbox people, not us. they have drivers for their VM software |
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| 15:58.43 | smhar | chops, interfaces shows these lines: auto lo ; iface lo inet loopback; allow-hotplug eth0; iface inet dhcp; |
| 15:58.53 | smhar | chops, ; for new line |
| 15:58.56 | wols | loslalfos: he should as long as he is adminning etch |
| 15:59.01 | roxazer | abrotman: wols : do i just change the /home/name/ row? |
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| 15:59.10 | mout | i dont know udev |
| 15:59.10 | wols | roxazer: you read the manpage of vipw |
| 15:59.19 | mout | i had to use udev ? |
| 15:59.20 | wols | mout: but your etch does |
| 15:59.27 | wols | no you don't have to |
| 15:59.29 | chops | smhar: Did you mean "iface eth0 inet dhcp"? |
| 15:59.34 | Touns | abrotman: VGA compatible Device : unknow device |
| 15:59.43 | chops | smhar: That's what the "iface inet dhcp" line _should_ be if you want eth0 to come up |
| 15:59.44 | wols | Touns: I told you where to ask. not here |
| 15:59.49 | chops | !tell smhar about interfaces |
| 16:00.12 | mout | ok so now waht can i do ? |
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| 16:00.30 | Touns | wols: yes, I know, but they are no community on virtualbox. The code has be free only a year ago |
| 16:00.35 | Touns | thanks anyway |
| 16:00.49 | natefoo | so due to modutils/module-init-tools conflicts, you have to remove the 2.4 kernel to install the 2.6 kernel. |
| 16:01.00 | wols | Touns: virtualbox has guest additions? and lspci has the -n option? |
| 16:01.04 | natefoo | but this has gotten me in trouble before where the 2.6 image isn't bootable. |
| 16:01.13 | natefoo | usually an initramfs issue. |
| 16:01.14 | wols | natefoo: why not? |
| 16:01.34 | natefoo | why not what? |
| 16:01.37 | wols | natefoo: do you run etch? |
| 16:01.49 | natefoo | well, it's getting upgraded to etch, yes. |
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| 16:01.59 | wols | install a sarge 2.6.8 kernel first |
| 16:02.08 | natefoo | ahh. |
| 16:02.34 | chops | natefoo: Follow the etch upgrade instructions -- that's in there, along with a lot of other necessary instructions. |
| 16:02.52 | natefoo | thanks. |
| 16:02.52 | chops | natefoo: sarge->etch isn't as simple as 'aptitude dist-upgrade' like other stable upgrades have been, unfortunately. |
| 16:03.08 | smhar | chops, you are right, it is iface eth0 inet dhcp; but still I get no connection |
| 16:03.09 | natefoo | chops: i know, i found out the hard way a while back on "upgrade night." =( |
| 16:03.15 | chops | natefoo: :-( |
| 16:03.22 | wols | smhar: where is your dhcp server? |
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| 16:03.35 | chops | smhar: Do you get one if you say 'ifup eth0'? |
| 16:03.46 | natefoo | i got them all back eventually with a live cd and some hackery, but it wasn't fun. |
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| 16:04.16 | natefoo | chops: these instructions? |
| 16:04.16 | natefoo | http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-sarge-to-etch.html |
| 16:04.17 | smhar | wols, in the gateway. infact this 'not working' debian is in a virtual box in another 'working' debian system, getting the ip from the same dhcp server |
| 16:04.31 | chops | !sarge->etch |
| 16:04.31 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 16:05.02 | wols | so your debian host has no dhcp? |
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| 16:05.36 | natefoo | thanks. |
| 16:05.41 | chops | natefoo: np |
| 16:05.59 | smhar | chops, I get: eth0 ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 16:06.09 | touns_ | yes lspci have the -n option. does they are correspondance available somewhere between the code and the hardware ? http://pastebin.com/m717e0613 |
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| 16:06.57 | smhar | wols, you mean me? my debian doesn't have dhcp? |
| 16:07.05 | wols | smhar: does it? |
| 16:07.23 | smhar | wols, I do not know? how to check |
| 16:07.23 | chops | smhar: Ah, so that's your problem. It may be a problem with the virtualization, then. You may not have the right kernel module loaded in the virtual system, or the host system may not be configured properly. |
| 16:07.37 | wols | Touns: which device is the video? |
| 16:07.52 | wols | Touns: and I hope this is inside virtualbox? |
| 16:08.02 | Touns | wols: the real device ? an Nvidia 7600 GS |
| 16:08.10 | wols | not the real device |
| 16:08.17 | wols | inside your VM there is no "real device" |
| 16:08.21 | Touns | wols: this result is under the virtualbox, yes |
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| 16:08.32 | wols | Touns: and which one is the videocard in there? |
| 16:08.34 | natefoo | hmm, trying to install 2.6.8 from sarge results in a "package is not available, but is referred to by another package" apt error. |
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| 16:08.50 | chops | natefoo: Can you pastebin the exact command, the full output, and your sources.list? |
| 16:09.00 | smhar | chops, the host system is the one I connect to irc with now. As for the virtualbox system, it is configured to give the client a NAT network |
| 16:09.08 | debian | How do I make debian use dolphin as standard file manager? I want to completly get rid of Konqueror, Im using etch. |
| 16:09.13 | natefoo | yup. |
| 16:09.14 | wols | smhar: that is not what anyone asked |
| 16:09.23 | chops | smhar: A NAT network with a dhcp server set up inside it? |
| 16:09.24 | wols | does your debian host have a dhcp server running? |
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| 16:09.43 | smhar | wols, no |
| 16:09.57 | wols | smhar: bit oof a problem for vbox then, hm? |
| 16:10.07 | chops | smhar: Bingo. Set up a static IP for the virtual host inside /etc/network/interfaces. See 'man interfaces'. |
| 16:10.19 | chops | smhar: Er |
| 16:10.31 | debian | chops: Can it be done? |
| 16:10.44 | chops | smhar: Actually, you're getting "no such device" -- that's also a problem. Once you _do_ get a device, you'll also have to set up a static IP in order for the device to have an IP configuration. |
| 16:10.56 | touns_ | wols: I only know on dmesg this : Boot video device is 0000:00:02.0 |
| 16:11.09 | chops | debian: I don't know what dolphin is, sorry. |
| 16:11.10 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one tell me what the shadow- file is for, i changed the root password using usermod only /etc/shadow was changed, now the files had differing values. i look through shadow howto for info but couldn't find it |
| 16:11.20 | wols | touns_: 80ee:beef then |
| 16:11.22 | chops | debian: And I don't use KDE or Konqueror |
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| 16:11.27 | natefoo | chops: http://pastebin.ca/923469 |
| 16:11.28 | chops | debian: Wrong person to ask :-) |
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| 16:11.30 | debian | chops: It is a piece of software that shows mty files. |
| 16:11.33 | bujin | hi |
| 16:11.53 | debian | I want it instead of xfce4 default file thing. |
| 16:11.56 | debian | It is sloooe |
| 16:12.00 | debian | slow| |
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| 16:12.09 | bujin | a question how can I check the health of a hard drive using knoppix? |
| 16:12.17 | smhar | chops, so, I do first need to install a dhcp server in my host debian, then I need to set static ip in the client. is this right? |
| 16:12.18 | chops | natefoo: First, take testing and unstable out of the sources.list, and change "stable" to "sarge" in the security lines |
| 16:12.24 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: you are kidding, right? |
| 16:12.41 | cahoot | bujin: does it provide smartctl? |
| 16:12.42 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: no i am not. |
| 16:12.46 | chops | smhar: No, you only need to do one or the other. Setting up a static IP for the virtual host's interface will be easier. |
| 16:12.54 | chops | smhar: (Probably) |
| 16:12.56 | wols | touns_: read chapter 4 of the virtualbox manual |
| 16:13.05 | Touns | wols: thanks ! |
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| 16:13.10 | chops | smhar: As for the "no such device"... I'm not sure, I don't use virtualbox. |
| 16:13.10 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: guess i am really dumb, what am i missing ? |
| 16:13.15 | natefoo | chops: leave in stable? |
| 16:13.28 | chops | natefoo: Change 'stable' to 'sarge'. 'stable' currently means etch. |
| 16:13.35 | mout | so for my problem with MAKEDEV, now i had to replace MAKEDEV y UDEV ? |
| 16:13.36 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: oh, ok. it contains the encrypted passwords in case your system uses the shadow password mechanism. |
| 16:13.46 | chops | natefoo: This is currently a sarge system, right? |
| 16:14.00 | natefoo | well it was installed as one, yes. |
| 16:14.05 | chops | natefoo: What is it currently? |
| 16:14.26 | natefoo | but the sources.list only had stable/testing/unstable, not sarge/etch/lenny |
| 16:14.42 | natefoo | plus it has pinnings for testing. |
| 16:14.54 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: you know your system uses it when /etc/passwd has "x" where the password belongs... |
| 16:15.05 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: okay that i understand for shadow, what about shadow-, i am concerned since the password change by usermod -p "output of openssl passwd -1 <somepassword", change the password field only in /etc/shadow and not /etc/shadow- |
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| 16:15.24 | natefoo | shadow- sounds like an editor remnant. |
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| 16:15.52 | chops | natefoo: The pinnings won't cause any problems if you remove the newer sources they're configured for, and it'll make me feel better :-) |
| 16:16.02 | chops | natefoo: So what is the system right now? |
| 16:16.18 | natefoo | chops: a mix of sarge/etch/lenny? how can i tell exactly? |
| 16:16.22 | RichiH | !patience |
| 16:16.22 | dpkg | it has been said that patience is a virtue. Please wait here on the channel for answers to appear. That may take some time depending on how much time people need to look up things for you. It probably does not help to repeat your question too soon. |
| 16:16.33 | chops | natefoo: What's the output of 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1'? |
| 16:16.46 | RichiH | !no, patience is The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 16:16.46 | dpkg | RichiH: okay |
| 16:16.48 | chops | natefoo: And what kernel are you currently running? |
| 16:16.50 | natefoo | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 16:17.02 | thelostbutler | natefoo: eh? for emacs its ~ and vi is some .doffile, what editor could it be ? i use only those 2 editors |
| 16:17.04 | natefoo | 2.4.27-1-686-smp |
| 16:17.06 | abrotman | RichiH: i see your bot-fu is increasing ... |
| 16:17.22 | natefoo | thelostbutler: it was just a guess. |
| 16:17.28 | RichiH | abrotman: i have know that trick longer than you ;) |
| 16:17.31 | RichiH | known* |
| 16:17.36 | natefoo | afaik the auth routines don't use shadow- |
| 16:17.41 | abrotman | RichiH: sure .. if you say so :) |
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| 16:17.58 | roxazer | now i have changed to this with vipw: roxazer:x:1000:100:,,,:/home/roxazer:/bin/bash and changed the name of the dir from the old name to the new (roxazer). but with "cd ~" it still wants to go to /home/christoffer (christoffer was my other name) |
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| 16:18.02 | abrotman | now poor apt is so .. useless |
| 16:18.02 | roxazer | why? |
| 16:18.08 | RichiH | indeed |
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| 16:18.13 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: yes i know about x in the /etc/passwd field, it is an indication that the password is in /etc/shadow |
| 16:18.17 | abrotman | roxazer: did you logout/login ? |
| 16:18.24 | roxazer | sryu |
| 16:18.26 | roxazer | sry |
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| 16:18.30 | abrotman | sorry? |
| 16:18.33 | thelostbutler | or rather the encoded password |
| 16:18.35 | abrotman | it's a whole word |
| 16:18.41 | roxazer | abrotman: that i didnt tryed that |
| 16:18.41 | fizzlegig | morning all |
| 16:18.56 | roxazer | abrotman: and that worked, thx |
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| 16:19.17 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: i apologize. i really thought you where kidding... |
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| 16:21.25 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: i am just at loss that i didn't know what passwd- and shadow- are for when i know what passwd and shadow are for, are they like backup files |
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| 16:22.20 | Agiofws | where do i set my default gw in debian ? |
| 16:22.20 | karrotx__ | hmm, every time my box restarts it resets the quotas to a much smaller value; where is this value stored? |
| 16:22.26 | chops | natefoo: Ugh, so you've got an etch system with a sarge kernel... you are in a bind. What happens when you say 'apt-get install -t sarge kernel-image-2.6-686'? |
| 16:22.34 | chops | Agiofws: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:23.00 | vlt | Hello. I'm (still) in an sshfs'ed directory. `touch 1 2;` works. `rm 1; mv 2 1;` works, too. But `mv 2 1;` w/o deleting 1 before doesn't. Any idea, what causes this? |
| 16:23.06 | natefoo | Package kernel-image-2.6-686 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:23.14 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: what's the mtime of this file saying? |
| 16:23.18 | natefoo | same for all i try. |
| 16:23.37 | natefoo | (all variants of kernel-image that match my arch) |
| 16:23.45 | Agiofws | chops, |
| 16:23.56 | Agiofws | gateway <IP> ? |
| 16:23.59 | Agiofws | like that ? |
| 16:23.59 | chops | natefoo: Well, but that package is in sarge... what happens if you do it without the pinning? Remove the non-sarge sources and run it using aptitude without the '-t sarge' option? |
| 16:24.02 | valdyn | natefoo: you already upgraded to etch? |
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| 16:24.07 | chops | Agiofws: Yes. man interfaces |
| 16:24.19 | chops | valdyn: Partially, without upgrading his 2.4 sarge kernel, apparently |
| 16:24.39 | natefoo | chops: i removed all non-sarge sources from sources.list... but lemme just go move the pinnings out of the way. |
| 16:24.50 | valdyn | natefoo: i dont know how fucked your system is, but since etch, linux kernels are referred to by linux-image, not kernel-image |
| 16:25.03 | natefoo | valdyn: yeah, this was a sarge install. |
| 16:25.04 | chops | valdyn: I'm trying to upgrade to the sarge 2.6 kernel and go from there |
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| 16:25.18 | chops | valdyn: (Trying to get him to rather) |
| 16:25.27 | natefoo | victory! |
| 16:25.33 | natefoo | removing the pinnings does it. |
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| 16:25.42 | chops | natefoo: \o/ |
| 16:25.43 | natefoo | weird, since none of them applied anymore. |
| 16:26.03 | chops | natefoo: I've never understood pinning. It seems simple but it never does what I expect it to do. |
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| 16:26.40 | valdyn | vlt: ld -ld ../ |
| 16:26.43 | Nyle | pinning bah |
| 16:26.49 | natefoo | so, only a minor victory. |
| 16:26.57 | natefoo | now libc6 won't install because tzdata is not installable. |
| 16:27.11 | natefoo | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686-smp module-init-tools |
| 16:27.18 | natefoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.19 | chops | natefoo: Well, it's a step. Install sarge 2.6 kernel, reboot into it, verify that it works, install etch 2.6 kernel removing the sarge 2.4 kernel, reboot into it, go from there |
| 16:27.37 | valdyn | !info tzdata etch |
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| 16:27.39 | chops | natefoo: You may have to install module-init-tools from etch |
| 16:27.41 | dpkg | tzdata: (Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time Data), section libs, is required. Version: 2007j-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 673 kB, Installed size: 6012 kB |
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| 16:27.43 | valdyn | !info tzdata sarge |
| 16:27.46 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: http://rafb.net/p/HpqYGj34.html |
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| 16:28.00 | chops | natefoo: Put only etch in your sources.list, install module-init-tools, go back to only sarge, install the sarge 2.6 kernel. Does that work? |
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| 16:28.05 | valdyn | natefoo: you already have an etch libc6 it seems |
| 16:28.06 | mike1o | !conexant |
| 16:28.06 | dpkg | a Conexant modem/ethernet device on a laptop is probably a tulip. |
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| 16:28.17 | chops | natefoo: This is why you're supposed to follow the upgrade instructions :-( |
| 16:28.24 | natefoo | valdyn: i made the mistake of attempting to upgrade to etch w/o installing sarge 2.6 first. |
| 16:28.30 | natefoo | yeah i realize that NOW. ;D |
| 16:28.32 | wols | du! |
| 16:28.41 | natefoo | sadly my time machine is broken. |
| 16:28.43 | wols | natefoo: go and put etch in your sources.list then |
| 16:29.04 | natefoo | wols: okay, done. |
| 16:29.11 | vlt | valdyn: `ld`? Did you mean `ls`? |
| 16:29.23 | valdyn | vlt: i meant ls -ld |
| 16:29.26 | natefoo | shall i assume it is generally a bad idea to use stable/testing/unstable in a sources.list instead of sarge/etch/lenny? |
| 16:29.29 | valdyn | vlt: i meant "ls -ld " |
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| 16:29.47 | chops | natefoo: testing and unstable are fine, stable release names are fine. 'stable' is almost always a bad idea. |
| 16:30.05 | natefoo | good to know. |
| 16:30.19 | valdyn | vlt: sshfs does funny things with permissions iirc |
| 16:30.36 | valdyn | vlt: because it cant really support them properly |
| 16:31.08 | vlt | valdyn: `ls -ld ./` => "drwxr-xr-x 1 dm dm 144 2008-02-29 16:18 ./", dm is me, `ls -ld ../` => "drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 880 2008-02-25 18:37 ../" |
| 16:31.33 | vlt | valdyn: I can touch, I can rm, but I can't mv? That's weird. |
| 16:31.50 | AnyFile | I would like to print some text file, so that I get more than one page per sheet of paper and title of the file are printed. I used to use a2ps for that (and it also allow me to do many thing) but I've just found that it does not support utf-8 input encoding |
| 16:32.03 | valdyn | vlt: which user mounts that sshfs? root? |
| 16:32.06 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: it does look like a simple backup of the old file to me... |
| 16:32.07 | AnyFile | What can I use in replace of a2ps? |
| 16:32.14 | vlt | valdyn: No, "dm" |
| 16:32.28 | vlt | valdyn: (I think) |
| 16:32.33 | valdyn | vlt: and stil the mountpoint is "root root" ? or is that the wrong directtory? |
| 16:32.35 | natefoo | well i had to remove locales, but i got sarge libc6 back. |
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| 16:32.46 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: ok, i guess so. |
| 16:32.51 | natefoo | err, no, it's etch. |
| 16:33.01 | chops | natefoo: Did you try to do what I recommended that you do? |
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| 16:33.31 | natefoo | yeah, add etch, install module-init-tools? |
| 16:33.39 | chops | natefoo: Right |
| 16:33.45 | chops | natefoo: So did that work out okay? |
| 16:33.54 | natefoo | yup. |
| 16:34.01 | nopper | are there any powepc packages for e17? i can't find anything interesting |
| 16:34.04 | chops | natefoo: Excellent. Go back to sarge in sources.list and see if you can install the sarge 2.6 kernel now. |
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| 16:34.27 | natefoo | yup. |
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| 16:34.38 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: thank you |
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| 16:35.13 | natefoo | woohoo, i can has bootable kernels. |
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| 16:35.16 | n0mad | im reading and reading hah..i gues im too dumb...xD |
| 16:35.19 | chops | natefoo: Rock and roll |
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| 16:35.34 | valqk | hi there |
| 16:35.49 | n0mad | modprobe to add second sound device..i just dorn understand how |
| 16:35.50 | valqk | anyone here running amd64 stable mysql-server5.0 |
| 16:35.55 | natefoo | just so i can make sure... which module/initram packages should i have installed for sarge 2.4/2.6 |
| 16:35.57 | n0mad | dont* |
| 16:35.58 | chops | !anyone |
| 16:35.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:35.58 | natefoo | ? |
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| 16:36.03 | bujin | yes cahoot it comes with smartctl |
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| 16:36.35 | chops | natefoo: You're outside the realm of what you "should" have installed... but dependencies are usually tight enough that if the packaging system is happy with what you've got, it should work. |
| 16:36.50 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: you're welcome. but i didn't really help you... ;) |
| 16:36.52 | cahoot | bujin: the try smartctl -a /dev/... |
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| 16:36.58 | natefoo | okay. |
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| 16:37.32 | n0mad | intel8x0 and cmipci cards i have :/ but i have only one dsp.. how to make another one ? |
| 16:37.52 | n0mad | hah.. i need some examples...just examples |
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| 16:38.28 | valqk | dpkg: ok, anyone here ever had problems running mysql-server-5.0 on amd64 arch, I've had strange problem... the mysql won't start properly on boot, the process is there the socket - not, removed mysql with --purge, no dirs left, tryed to reinstall mysql-server (resp. mysql-server-5.0) but the package is f...ing broken, there are no confs in the /etc/ in .deb file and the instalation fails |
| 16:38.28 | dpkg | valqk: what are you talking about? |
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| 16:38.39 | valqk | anyone with that two problems here? |
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| 16:39.00 | wols | !tell valqk about confmiss |
| 16:39.10 | natefoo | i suppose i should've assumed a 2.4->2.6 move wouldn't be as simple as apt-get install 2.6, and consulted the directions. |
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| 16:39.21 | zedr | heloe |
| 16:39.23 | natefoo | but debian is mostly awesome enough that i can get by w/o them. ;D |
| 16:39.25 | zedr | I can has debian? |
| 16:39.32 | wols | natefoo: it is. you fscked up beforehand when you tried to install etch badly |
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| 16:39.43 | wols | !tell zedr about d-i |
| 16:39.50 | jelly | natefoo: not reading the release notes is a path to pain |
| 16:40.05 | natefoo | i don't have this release mentality, i think. |
| 16:40.05 | zedr | thanks wols ;) |
| 16:40.13 | natefoo | since i normally run an unstable/testing mix. |
| 16:40.16 | chops | natefoo: The kernel upgrade _is_ that simple. The problem is that the sarge->etch upgrade is _not_ that simple, and you set yourself up with a broken system by not reading the release notes when you upgraded. |
| 16:40.18 | zedr | was only koing |
| 16:40.21 | natefoo | things are just kinda the newest version whenever i ask for them. |
| 16:40.21 | zedr | *joking |
| 16:40.29 | valqk | the problem is that the confs are NOT in the .deb file |
| 16:40.42 | wols | valqk: they never are |
| 16:40.44 | chops | natefoo: The sarge->etch upgrade was unusually problematic. Generally people could more or less get away with not reading the upgrade instructions, but not for etch. |
| 16:40.45 | natefoo | and i don't worry about which release i'm running since i have a mix of them all. |
| 16:40.51 | natefoo | ahh. |
| 16:40.59 | valqk | wols: ?! |
| 16:41.10 | wols | valqk: dpkg rold you something. rad it |
| 16:41.25 | natefoo | so if i want to get all packages up to etch once i have the newest etch kernel, can i just remove sarge and do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:41.40 | valqk | wols: didn't understand that |
| 16:41.53 | wols | valqk: then read it until you do. it has examples ffs |
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| 16:42.05 | jelly | natefoo: you can read the release notes for all the gotchas |
| 16:42.16 | natefoo | jelly: yeah, doing that now. |
| 16:42.31 | valqk | oh, you mean dpkg - the nick oh, ic, I got that, I thought you are talking about dpkg util |
| 16:42.32 | chops | natefoo: Sort of, yes. Use aptitude and be very careful reading what it wants to do; it may want to remove some packages that you want. It may help to read the release notes and sort of try to piece together what steps to take if it wants to remove big sets of packages. |
| 16:43.00 | chops | natefoo: Good luck |
| 16:43.02 | natefoo | aptitude > apt-get? |
| 16:43.07 | chops | natefoo: It is |
| 16:43.08 | valqk | wols: thanks, I'll test that apt-get opts |
| 16:43.18 | chops | natefoo: Particularly at figuring out tricky dependency issues during big ugprades |
| 16:43.32 | natefoo | okay. |
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| 16:44.37 | valqk | wols: same old shit: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory |
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| 16:45.24 | valqk | I got msgs about reinstalling confs but not for /etc/mysql/ |
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| 16:46.03 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: you should change your password again immediately though. i'm too lazy to fire up john the ripper but others won't. ;) |
| 16:46.21 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: yeah i already did :D |
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| 16:46.44 | thelostbutler | loslalfos: will save you the trouble, the passwords are hello and byebye :P they were test passwords |
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| 16:47.18 | loslalfos | thelostbutler: ;) |
| 16:48.13 | valqk | wols: ideas about the mysql? |
| 16:48.27 | wols | purge it right this time and reinstall |
| 16:48.34 | wols | and this time ALL of mysql |
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| 16:49.10 | valqk | wols: server, client, libmysqlclient? |
| 16:49.19 | drwahl | just thought i should mention. Happy Leap Year! |
| 16:49.34 | Gun_Smoke | Anyone familiar with dd_rescue is this normal output? I'm trying to remove bad sectors of a DVD. http://paste.debian.net/50185 |
| 16:49.34 | natefoo | um weird, installing the latest etch kernel replaces grub with lilo unless you tell it to install grub2. |
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| 16:52.24 | chops | natefoo: That's the kind of oddness I would expect in a partially upgraded system. There's probably an automatic grub->grub2 transition that you don't have because you haven't dist-upgraded yet. |
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| 16:52.52 | loslalfos | Gun_Smoke: I actually never used dd_resvue but what do you exactly want it to do? just asking because dd also has options to ignore errors... |
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| 16:53.04 | natefoo | gotcha. |
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| 16:55.04 | Flawless | Does anyone know a way of creating a signed PGP key from a PEM/pkcs12 private key ? |
| 16:55.28 | loslalfos | Gun_Smoke: like 'conv=noerror,sync' |
| 16:55.47 | Gun_Smoke | loslalfos: I'm trying to make a full backup of a copy protected DVD. Using this how to. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Backup_a_DVD |
| 16:55.59 | acxty | one question. I have 2GB of RAM, do I need to create 4GB Swap partion? |
| 16:56.22 | Starwatcher | acxty nope |
| 16:56.38 | acxty | 1GB |
| 16:56.42 | acxty | ? |
| 16:57.01 | decan | acxty, I dont think so..maybe you´ll need just 1Gb |
| 16:57.14 | Starwatcher | that would be fine I don't even think that you would use that with 2 gig |
| 16:57.18 | cahoot | do you plan to use s2disk? |
| 16:57.27 | acxty | no |
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| 16:58.33 | cahoot | short on hd space? |
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| 16:58.53 | Orphis | Hello, can someone point me to some website explaining how to build deb packages and the repository with it ? I'd like to package some software to ease its installation for users but all the guides I've found have dead links and are incomplete |
| 16:59.07 | acxty | 120GB |
| 16:59.51 | cahoot | why not put 1Gb aside for swap? |
| 17:00.49 | Starwatcher | acxty swap become important with less ram when you hit 2 gig of ram which I have in my main box the swap file is not touched |
| 17:01.00 | natefoo | where's the decision made to hold packages back? a whole ton of them are being held back when i run aptitude dist-upgrade. |
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| 17:01.51 | valqk | wols: it has installed ok the confs are in mysql-common, but I have another problem |
| 17:02.14 | acxty | Starwatcher, How much swap do you have on your system? |
| 17:02.15 | Starwatcher | if the system has to rely on swap to much it's time to get more memory, because swap slows thing down |
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| 17:02.25 | Starwatcher | 1 gig |
| 17:02.50 | chops | natefoo: What packages are being held back? What's being upgraded? Er... just dump the whole aptitude output into a pastebin :-) |
| 17:02.56 | Starwatcher | but it's not used often could be less |
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| 17:03.06 | valqk | when I reboot the machine the mysql won't start properly, there is a mysqld_safe and mysqld process but there is no socket and I can't connect to mysq, if I kill the both mysqld processes and start the mysql from /etc/init.d/mysql start it starts ok and works perfect |
| 17:03.10 | acxty | thanks, I would use 1GB too |
| 17:03.12 | valqk | until next reboot |
| 17:03.14 | valqk | any ideas? |
| 17:03.23 | Starwatcher | your welcome |
| 17:04.00 | valqk | I've had this problem before on anoter machine, I put safe_mysqld in rc.local and it started ok but for here this is not a solution - this is a server,not a dev machine |
| 17:04.04 | natefoo | chops: http://pastebin.ca/923534 |
| 17:04.27 | natefoo | it looks like mostly stuff that would've been installed specifically via apt-get install. |
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| 17:04.51 | valqk | wols: ideas? |
| 17:05.12 | michael_kyle | i just installed debian, and i need to know wich is best for it... KDE or Gnome? |
| 17:05.17 | wols | valqk: I asked you to do something |
| 17:05.17 | chops | natefoo: Read the upgrade instructions... you're losing xserver-xfree86 without gaining xserver-xorg. You need to do the first few steps of the upgrade before doing dist-upgrade, it looks like. |
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| 17:05.31 | wols | or maybe not |
| 17:06.01 | decan | michael_kyle, Gnome |
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| 17:06.01 | wols | valqk: purge ALL of mysql this time |
| 17:06.01 | valqk | wols: I did reinstall all mysql packages |
| 17:06.03 | valqk | wols: I did that |
| 17:06.03 | wols | valqk: which ones? |
| 17:06.11 | wols | adn I didn't say reinstall I said purge |
| 17:06.15 | wols | which ones did you purge? |
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| 17:06.33 | michael_kyle | decan wich is more lite? |
| 17:06.39 | michael_kyle | wich on* |
| 17:06.41 | valqk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.46 | michael_kyle | wich one* |
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| 17:06.56 | wols | valqk: you kept your /var/lib/mysql/? |
| 17:06.58 | mral3x | hello ... i use debian unstable and i installed kde and kdm but kdn doesn't start at all .. what can i do ? |
| 17:07.03 | valqk | wols: no |
| 17:07.03 | wols | are there any DBs in there? |
| 17:07.06 | valqk | everything |
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| 17:07.17 | wols | you checked it was gone? |
| 17:07.18 | valqk | wols: no, I've backuped them and removed it |
| 17:07.20 | valqk | yep |
| 17:07.26 | natefoo | chops: i don't really need the full x server on this box. |
| 17:07.26 | decan | michael_kyle, if you are looking for a lite desktop I recommended you xfce |
| 17:07.28 | wols | mral3x: ls /etc/rc.d/S99 |
| 17:07.34 | chops | natefoo: bbl, lunch |
| 17:07.38 | natefoo | =D |
| 17:07.40 | natefoo | thanks for all the help. |
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| 17:07.44 | michael_kyle | between kde and gnome wich one is lighter, and wich one u guys recommend the most? |
| 17:07.52 | Grab | hey guys is \ a character or a symbol?? |
| 17:07.56 | valqk | it was rm-ed from /var/lib |
| 17:07.56 | wols | michael_kyle: they are the same |
| 17:08.04 | mral3x | wols: No such file or directory |
| 17:08.11 | Polleke | Grab, depends on the context |
| 17:08.16 | wols | mral3x: ls /etc/rc2.d/S99 |
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| 17:08.32 | mral3x | wols: same |
| 17:08.54 | wols | mral3x: ls /etc/rc2.d/S99* then |
| 17:09.03 | nictimju | anyone using debian images in vmware server, I'd like to know how to duplicate images and keep the network card the same in the duplicate |
| 17:09.11 | mral3x | wols: /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin |
| 17:09.13 | mral3x | /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99stop-bootlogd |
| 17:09.23 | valqk | wols: just rebooted again, I have /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe; /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-external-locking --port=3306 --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock but look: # ls -l /var/run/mysqld/ total 0 |
| 17:09.47 | wols | vlatko: check your my.cnf perhaps |
| 17:10.19 | wols | tell nictimju about z25 |
| 17:10.23 | wols | !tell nictimju about z25 |
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| 17:11.23 | valqk | then I do /etc/init.d/mysql stop; Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.; kill 2984 3021; ps ax|grep mysql; /etc/init.d/mysql start; Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.; Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables..; templar:/home/valqk# ls -l /var/run/mysqld/;total 4;-rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 5 Feb 29 21:09 mysqld.pid; srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 Feb 29 21:09 mysqld.sock |
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| 17:11.38 | valqk | wols: there is no point in this happening |
| 17:11.51 | logd | hi i ve a wireless adapter powered by a sis163u chipset, installation of the card with ndiswrapper went fine but i'm in torouble setting a wilan |
| 17:11.56 | starscalling | !kernel-package |
| 17:11.56 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 17:11.59 | valqk | the mysql should be started but never got pid and sock files in run |
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| 17:12.11 | wols | valqk: checked all logs? |
| 17:12.15 | mral3x | wols: ?? |
| 17:12.19 | starscalling | hm |
| 17:12.32 | wols | mral3x: startx working? |
| 17:12.37 | valqk | wols: no signs of errors :( just msgs about mysql starting and checking tables |
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| 17:12.45 | valqk | wols: nothing in .err of mysql |
| 17:12.59 | wols | mral3x: have you even installed xorg? |
| 17:13.04 | starscalling | wols none of that mentions -j5 - i take it it will do auto or something? |
| 17:13.07 | mral3x | wols: looks like not |
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| 17:13.15 | valqk | /var/run/mysqld is owned by mysql:root sho mysql can write there... |
| 17:13.19 | wols | starscalling: manpages are awesome |
| 17:13.24 | starscalling | lol |
| 17:13.37 | starscalling | ok i'm almost off to work - i'll give a looksee tonight |
| 17:13.50 | valqk | welll.. the /var is located in a md1 raid1 soft array but the arrays must be started before rc3 are they? |
| 17:14.16 | valqk | wols: I'm using a tool : rcconf to enable/diable services could it be the reason to broke up something? |
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| 17:14.30 | wols | valqk: no |
| 17:14.41 | Akatemik | Note that I haven't read the discussion, but software raids start on runlevel 1 (if that was the single user one) |
| 17:14.51 | Akatemik | With default configuration |
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| 17:15.23 | valqk | ideas? btw the problem on the dev machine I've had disappeared misterious after one of the dist-upgrades but there it's a testing, not stable |
| 17:15.43 | mral3x | wols: Unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
| 17:15.49 | valqk | and this is stable and it's strange it appeared here |
| 17:16.05 | valqk | I think there is something broke in the init scripts... |
| 17:16.12 | valqk | but how can I see what... |
| 17:16.29 | valqk | because if I start it manually from sys env it starts perfectly |
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| 17:17.07 | Polleke | valqk, my guess is another init script is blocking it in some way |
| 17:17.24 | wols | mral3x: bad X config |
| 17:17.31 | wols | mral3x: what videochip? |
| 17:17.38 | valqk | Polleke: but how can I understand which one, this is remote machine, no access to the console... |
| 17:17.56 | mral3x | wols: nvidia |
| 17:17.59 | valqk | I've never added scripts manually only trough rcconf |
| 17:18.08 | wols | mral3x: and what driver do you use right now? |
| 17:18.18 | slidesinger | How can I determine what my machine is sending out as the full hostname? e.g. foo.example.com |
| 17:18.46 | wols | slidesinger: is a smtp running? |
| 17:19.01 | wols | MTA rather |
| 17:19.03 | slidesinger | exim I think |
| 17:19.08 | mral3x | wols: well ... the latest one |
| 17:19.10 | wols | telnet to port25 then |
| 17:19.20 | Polleke | valqk, the script is update-rc.d. Try putting it to be started last. Evil hack perhaps |
| 17:19.20 | wols | mral3x: that is BS. what driver? |
| 17:19.44 | wols | mral3x: name and version please |
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| 17:21.06 | mral3x | wols: 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 17:21.20 | wols | that is NOT a nvidia driver |
| 17:21.31 | wols | and it's sid too. you are suppsoed to solve your own sid problems |
| 17:21.40 | mral3x | wols: i didn't download them from nvidia ... |
| 17:21.43 | wols | mral3x: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 17:21.56 | wols | mral3x: but you run sid |
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| 17:22.13 | wols | and you are supposed to know a few things which you obviously don't |
| 17:22.37 | mral3x | wols: ii nvidia-glx 169.09-1 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 17:22.37 | valqk | Polleke: I'll try that |
| 17:22.40 | mral3x | ii nvidia-glx-dev 169.09-1 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files |
| 17:22.44 | mral3x | ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.24-1-686 169.09-1+2.6.24-4 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.24 |
| 17:22.48 | mral3x | ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1-0.1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files |
| 17:22.50 | wols | and a channel paster moron too |
| 17:22.51 | mral3x | ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.09-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 17:22.53 | wols | go away |
| 17:23.00 | slidesinger | could not resolve 127.0.0.1:25/telnet: Name or service not known |
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| 17:23.25 | wols | slidesinger: what are you doing there? |
| 17:23.29 | wols | slidesinger: man telnet |
| 17:24.21 | valqk | Polleke: you mean I have to change the runlevel with update-rc.d |
| 17:24.22 | valqk | ? |
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| 17:24.39 | wols | valqk: no. he means you have to change the point on bootup when mysql gets started |
| 17:24.43 | wols | the Sxx numbers |
| 17:24.56 | wols | update-rc.d doesn't change runlevels |
| 17:25.09 | valqk | wols: let me read the manual |
| 17:25.24 | valqk | 10x, I'll tell you what happened |
| 17:26.12 | slidesinger | wols: It works much better when you use the right syntax, doesn't it? |
| 17:26.39 | acxty | well guys this is what the kernel panic is returno Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt |
| 17:26.40 | wols | usually |
| 17:26.50 | slidesinger | thanks |
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| 17:26.53 | wols | acxty: that is the unimportant part |
| 17:27.15 | wols | things that are important are the calltrace or maybe the registers |
| 17:27.39 | Brukerish | abrotman: I made an encrypted luks partition to keep my movies, I forgott the command to decrypt it. Do you know it?' |
| 17:27.54 | acxty | BUG: warning at arch/i386/kernel/smp.c:547/smp_call_function()? |
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| 17:29.14 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:29.25 | Ace2016 | anyone have firefox svn version? with the new speed improvements? |
| 17:29.51 | wols | Ace2016: is it in debian? |
| 17:30.05 | wols | also you should know by know how stupid "anyone" questions are |
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| 17:30.34 | Supaplex | I doubt it's in sid. |
| 17:31.00 | Ace2016 | it is? its firefox 3 beta that got the modifications and thats still in svn |
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| 17:32.06 | Deffie | hi all, i'm trying to apt-get install --reinstall apache2-common but it doesnt reinstall the init scripts, how to do that ? |
| 17:32.31 | cahoot | !confmiss |
| 17:32.31 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 17:32.33 | Supaplex | Ace2016: which it are you talking about 'it is?' here? Like I said, I doubt sid has it yet, and yes 'anyone' questions here are less effective here. |
| 17:33.20 | Ace2016 | ok just wondering if anyone here has a compiled deb or knows a firefox 3 svn repo |
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| 17:33.27 | Deffie | cahoot: oh thank you :) |
| 17:33.31 | valqk | wols, Polleke that did it, put it just before rc.local - at 98 position |
| 17:33.40 | valqk | thank you very much! |
| 17:33.50 | wols | valqk: question is what fscked it up? |
| 17:33.53 | wols | which of the other ones? |
| 17:33.55 | valqk | but just wondering... why is this happening!? ideas? |
| 17:33.55 | Polleke | valqk, as I said.. I would consider it an evil hack |
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| 17:34.22 | valqk | Polleke: yep.. that's why I'm asking myself the question... why... (same as wols) |
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| 17:35.42 | logd | i'm trying to set up a wlan but even if connection went successful ping each other fail |
| 17:35.47 | Supaplex | Ace2016: oh good, now that's a more effective question. :) |
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| 17:36.21 | valqk | I have nothing special installed: acpid, atd, bootclean, cron, klogd, lighttpd, lighttpd-spawn, makedev, mdadm, mysql, postfix, ssh, sysklogd, vsftpd... these are active as services in the rcconf menu |
| 17:36.55 | Polleke | logd, are you able to paste the output of ifconfig -a? |
| 17:37.43 | Brukerish | I forgott how to use an encrypted partition!' |
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| 17:38.05 | lkthomas2 | guys, when I try to mount remote NFS host, I got this: mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 17:38.18 | jim | you running portmapper |
| 17:38.21 | jim | ? |
| 17:38.30 | logd | Polleke, yes may i use #flood ?' |
| 17:38.45 | Polleke | logd, I would prefer rafb.net/paste |
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| 17:39.34 | logd | ok so http://rafb.net/p/yNuiKZ97.html |
| 17:39.34 | jim | Myname: what's yourname? |
| 17:39.41 | lkthomas2 | I did start portmapper, but seems not running |
| 17:39.48 | Yourname`` | Hi. I have a server installed with CentOS5, I want to install Debian 4.0 on it.. remotely. How can I do so? |
| 17:39.56 | Yourname`` | jim: What's yours? :D |
| 17:39.58 | Polleke | valqk, the way to debug it is to put it before each service one by one. Tedious but guaranteed result |
| 17:40.06 | jim | !jim |
| 17:40.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, jim is jim |
| 17:40.17 | Brukerish | !yzalyzarc |
| 17:40.40 | Polleke | logd, what does ping 192.168.1.6 give you? |
| 17:40.52 | Brukerish | Can anyone tell me how to make dev/hdd become /dev/mapper/hdd?' |
| 17:40.53 | techouse | lol...i left this pc running for 6 days straight and it works like a charm; i'd like to see windows vista deal with this :D |
| 17:41.12 | logd | dest unreach |
| 17:41.20 | jim | techouse: 6 days? try 2 years :) linux is pretty solid... |
| 17:41.21 | logd | but i gave .6 asgat eon cli |
| 17:41.37 | techouse | jim: well....i use this pc as a desktop |
| 17:42.02 | jim | that pc was used as a server, but it had x on it as well |
| 17:42.05 | techouse | + i compile stuff for winblows in mingw/msys in vista so i gotta restart a lot :( |
| 17:42.05 | Brukerish | Should an 1.2ghz intel give twice the debian performance as an 600mhz duron? |
| 17:42.06 | Polleke | Yourname``, debootstrap possibly |
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| 17:43.02 | techouse | Brukerish: heh, depends on what it will be used for :D |
| 17:43.03 | Yourname`` | Polleke: Any info I can use? For example, I used http://tinyurl.com/32g9wa to install CentOS5 |
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| 17:43.29 | Brukerish | techouse: Debian! |
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| 17:43.40 | jim | Brukerish: hmm, there might be a non-lvm way to do that... |
| 17:43.45 | Polleke | Yourname``, no I dont believe there is such a thing for debian |
| 17:44.00 | jim | do you want to use that drive for lvm? |
| 17:44.10 | techouse | Brukerish: i mean what purpose - server, seedbox, office machine.... |
| 17:44.24 | jim | what's a seedbox? |
| 17:44.24 | Yourname`` | Polleke: Damn. Thank you. |
| 17:44.50 | techouse | jim: a dedicated server running rtorrent or torrentflux :D |
| 17:44.51 | Brukerish | techouse: Officeish |
| 17:45.03 | jim | Yourname``: do you have all your partitions separate? (especially /home) |
| 17:45.10 | techouse | Brukerish: you might wanna think about adding some more ram |
| 17:45.15 | techouse | ;) |
| 17:45.24 | Yourname`` | jim: Can't say. But I'd like to say yes, since it has CentOS5 right now. |
| 17:45.36 | Brukerish | I'll remove the encrypted harddrive, it has gone berserk, it wont mount because it is busy... |
| 17:46.07 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.27 | Brukerish | me? |
| 17:46.34 | Brukerish | sorry gotogo |
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| 17:47.11 | Polleke | Yourname``, this a good article on debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 |
| 17:47.12 | Yourname`` | jim: http://pastebin.ca/923576 |
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| 17:47.49 | Polleke | Yourname``, no, no seperate partitons |
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| 17:48.21 | jim | Yourname``: so you have everything on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 |
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| 17:48.33 | Yourname`` | I guess so.. :S |
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| 17:48.54 | jim | let's start with finding out exactly what you want |
| 17:49.21 | jim | you want to move to debian? |
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| 17:49.50 | amphi | wtf is going on with oftc? |
| 17:50.07 | jim | what do you mean? |
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| 17:50.42 | Yourname`` | Yes, I want to move completely from CentOS to Debian over the Internet. |
| 17:50.55 | amphi | jim: loads of people autokilled, including me ;) |
| 17:51.03 | fedya | is there a util for quickly changing your apt mirror? |
| 17:51.34 | Polleke | fedya, your favorit text editor? |
| 17:51.38 | sepski | fedya, vi ? |
| 17:51.46 | amphi | jim: [oftc] !xenon.oftc.net *** Banned autokilled: *@81.93.247.141 Please fix your IRC client. Mail support@oftc.net with questions/when done. (2008-02-29 17:47:57) |
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| 17:51.58 | fedya | :( |
| 17:52.15 | sepski | Yourname``, i belive there was a script called debtakeover |
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| 17:52.24 | jim | ok, if you can get debootstrap built and running, I think we can do that. but I'd personally be more comfortable if you were to either back up your entire hd first or at least copy everything in /home to a separate partition |
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| 17:52.28 | Yourname`` | sepski: Let me google it.. |
| 17:52.29 | fedya | i was thinking something netcurses so i could just pick through different ones to find a faster one, netselect doesn't work here, and apt-spy sucks |
| 17:52.40 | jim | err, one more time... |
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| 17:52.48 | jim | Yourname``, ok, if you can get debootstrap built and running, I think we can do that. but I'd personally be more comfortable if you were to either back up your entire hd first or at least copy everything in /home to a separate partition |
| 17:52.56 | nepbabu | amphi, should be good now |
| 17:53.01 | nepbabu | amphi, try reconnecting |
| 17:53.04 | Yourname`` | jim: It doesn't matter to me if stuff is lost. |
| 17:53.17 | jim | ok, even in your home dir? |
| 17:53.20 | sepski | fedya, just use ftp.CC.debian.org where CC is your country code |
| 17:53.22 | jim | just blow it all away?? |
| 17:53.36 | jim | that -would- be easier... |
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| 17:53.51 | jim | but let's see if there are other alternatives: |
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| 17:53.54 | Yourname`` | Yup : |
| 17:53.55 | Yourname`` | :D |
| 17:54.07 | jim | do you have something like an additional drive? |
| 17:54.30 | jim | or additional space in that volume group? |
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| 17:54.34 | amphi | nepbabu: yup, thanks |
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| 17:54.48 | nepbabu | np |
| 17:54.57 | jim | so centos uses lvm? |
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| 17:55.51 | jim | can the openbsd kernel also use lvm? |
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| 17:56.07 | valqk | Polleke: well... this type of debugging is the one that I know too, hoped there was an easier way |
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| 17:56.16 | AlexC_ | Hey |
| 17:56.18 | valqk | thanks again, gtg see ya soon :) |
| 17:56.25 | chops | natefoo: Back. Any progress? |
| 17:56.27 | AlexC_ | what package do I need to install to be able to get the 'apachectl' command? |
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| 17:56.37 | bonez44 | how does one take text, as in an email...with indents and goofy formatting, and strip it all away to just leave raw text? |
| 17:56.38 | jim | apache? |
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| 17:56.43 | wols | !tell AlexC_ about search |
| 17:57.06 | AlexC_ | wols, I have searched ... |
| 17:57.16 | wols | AlexC_: no you did not |
| 17:57.22 | wols | if you had you'd found it, trust me there |
| 17:57.27 | wols | read the factoid more carefully |
| 17:57.42 | bdc34 | On the subject of resource limits, pam and /etc/security/limits.conf get applied to login processes, how do non-login processes get their limits? |
| 17:57.50 | wols | bdc34: html2txt for example |
| 17:58.00 | wols | bonez44: ^^ |
| 17:58.05 | jim | bonez44: that depends a lot on exactly what "indents and goofy formatting" is, and exactly what you want as a result... probably this would require some programming on your part |
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| 17:58.25 | Yourname`` | jim: Just checked, and no :S |
| 17:58.28 | chops | bonez44: It might help us understand exactly what you want if you pastebinned the message with its "goofy formatting" |
| 17:58.50 | bonez44 | chops...coming right up |
| 17:58.52 | jim | Yourname``: could you say how you checked? |
| 17:59.03 | wols | chops: goofy formatting in email is usually html |
| 17:59.13 | jim | oh, and why do you want to install this over the internet? |
| 17:59.14 | Yourname`` | Asked somebody who installed that box, lol |
| 17:59.22 | Yourname`` | jim: Because the dc is far, far away. |
| 17:59.32 | jim | ugh. |
| 17:59.33 | bdc34 | bonez44: check out tidy. |
| 17:59.37 | jim | dangerous proposition |
| 17:59.39 | Polleke | Yourname``, so if you screw up you're in trouble? |
| 17:59.55 | Yourname`` | Polleke: Not really, if I screw up..I can drag my lazy ass there. |
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| 18:00.17 | bdc34 | bonez44: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:00.28 | bonez44 | chops: Here's the paste http://pastebin.ca/923589 |
| 18:01.18 | jim | Yourname``: ok, could you paste the output of df and also vgscan? |
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| 18:01.37 | Polleke | bonez44, ehmmm are that tabs in the actual file? |
| 18:01.44 | jim | and pvscan too |
| 18:01.48 | jim | :) |
| 18:01.53 | Yourname`` | jim: http://pastebin.ca/923592 |
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| 18:02.03 | chops | bonez44: Pass the message through sed 's/^[ \t]*//' to remove the whitespace at the beginning of each line |
| 18:02.21 | bonez44 | Polleke: yeah, the tabs are in the actual file |
| 18:02.24 | chops | bonez44: How do you want it to look? |
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| 18:02.30 | AlexC_ | wols, nope ... can't find it anywhere |
| 18:02.40 | Polleke | chops, then the sed chops just posted will work |
| 18:02.53 | wols | AlexC_: where did you look? |
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| 18:03.23 | jim | wow, you have like 30g free! |
| 18:03.25 | chops | AlexC_: Install apt-file, run 'apt-file update', run 'apt-file search apachectl' |
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| 18:03.49 | wols | AlexC_: the factoid tells you of 3 (three!) different ways to find your file |
| 18:03.52 | bonez44 | chops, sans tabs, indents...I'd like just it to be contiuous text..without the tabs....when I go to paste it into some other email it goes all stair stepping on me |
| 18:04.04 | chops | bonez44: So no paragraph breaks? |
| 18:04.05 | jim | you could shrink the filesystem, then resize the lv and you'd have plenty of space to install a new os onto |
| 18:04.08 | AlexC_ | chops, I did that, it said it was in the 'apache' package ... but I don't want Apache1.3 |
| 18:04.15 | jim | and you'd keep the old one the whole time |
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| 18:04.22 | AlexC_ | wols, yes, yes it does. Does that help me? no. |
| 18:04.23 | wols | AlexC_: so you found it and lied to us |
| 18:04.43 | wols | AlexC_:you asked for apachectl and it found it. what else should it find? |
| 18:04.44 | bonez44 | right |
| 18:04.46 | chops | AlexC_: You're not going to get help unless you tell us what your _real_ problem is... |
| 18:05.02 | jim | AlexC_: don't mind wols too much, he gets this all day |
| 18:05.17 | AlexC_ | ok, how can I get apachectl without the need for apache 1.3 |
| 18:05.30 | jim | maybe you could build it from the source |
| 18:05.34 | chops | AlexC_: For apache2 it's apache2ctl |
| 18:05.37 | wols | AlexC_: not possible. without apache it's not really useful to have apachectl... |
| 18:05.56 | AlexC_ | wols, ever thought I have Apache2? |
| 18:06.07 | wols | AlexC_: yes. in which case you have it already |
| 18:06.15 | jim | AlexC_: then maybe you already have apache2ctl :) |
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| 18:06.36 | AlexC_ | a ha ... thanks =) |
| 18:06.37 | jim | oh, so the name is different from what you thought |
| 18:06.59 | wols | jim: yes but he was unable to tell us his real problem |
| 18:07.07 | chops | wols: Unwilling :-) |
| 18:07.11 | wols | which should teach him to tell the real problem next time |
| 18:07.19 | wols | yes unwilling |
| 18:07.25 | jim | one would hope :P |
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| 18:08.29 | Yourname`` | Gah |
| 18:08.33 | jim | AlexC_: for next time... a questoin like "I have apache, version 2.something, I need apachectl and can't find it" |
| 18:08.36 | Yourname`` | I might as well headover there and do it myself :( |
| 18:08.50 | AlexC_ | jim, ok, thanks |
| 18:09.08 | jim | Yourname``: did you catch what I said before? I think you can do it, -and- keep the old system too |
| 18:09.15 | jim | what is your boot loader? |
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| 18:09.21 | Yourname`` | grub |
| 18:09.26 | jim | perfect. |
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| 18:09.53 | jim | the easiest way is to keep the /boot and shrink the partition |
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| 18:11.31 | jim | we'll keep your existing grub installation and create a new debian in the space we get from shrinking your current setup |
| 18:11.41 | jim | think you're up to that |
| 18:11.44 | jim | ? |
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| 18:12.27 | jim | if you're willing to go there anyway if problems happen, this is worth a shot |
| 18:12.38 | jim | because |
| 18:12.43 | jim | maybe you won't have to |
| 18:12.47 | Polleke | jim, with his current kernel? |
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| 18:13.15 | lispy | is the upgrade from etch to lenny currently known to be broken? |
| 18:13.44 | mmlj4 | anyone play with google OS? http://www.thinkgos.com/index.html |
| 18:13.57 | Crissi | hello |
| 18:14.45 | Crissi | i have an bluetooth device on my laptop and bluetooth is started |
| 18:14.58 | Yourname`` | jim: I'm going there :( |
| 18:15.11 | Crissi | i can seach and find devices but if i try to find me from other device, i got no success |
| 18:15.22 | Yourname`` | Just downloading debian via torrent, and wondering why it's not taking speed. :S |
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| 18:15.46 | jim | just curious tho, why? |
| 18:15.54 | chops | Yourname``: How fast is it going now? Do you have the appropriate ports open? Do other torrents download quickly? |
| 18:15.59 | jim | it's definitely your choice |
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| 18:16.45 | jim | there's one thing to make sure of: "is an ext3 partition resizable", if the answer to that is "yes", you can do this |
| 18:16.47 | o2T7 | Is inter core 2 duo an i686 processor? |
| 18:16.50 | o2T7 | intel* |
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| 18:16.59 | Yourname`` | chops: This is a new xp sp2 box, older xpsp2 boxes that download torrents go upto 5mb/s |
| 18:17.00 | jim | no, it |
| 18:17.07 | jim | is an amd64 |
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| 18:17.17 | Yourname`` | Movies and stuff download in 9 mins.. |
| 18:17.18 | wols | o2T7: yes it is |
| 18:17.19 | jim | but you can use 486 krtnrld |
| 18:17.27 | o2T7 | wols: Thank you wols :) |
| 18:17.29 | wols | jim: no he cannot |
| 18:17.30 | chops | Yourname``: How fast is it going now? |
| 18:17.36 | jim | I am right now |
| 18:17.40 | jim | why? |
| 18:17.48 | Yourname`` | chops: 256kbps, lol.. went upto 2.0mb/s with openoffice thougn. |
| 18:17.50 | wols | if you use a -486 kernel with that cpu you run a single core CPU |
| 18:17.55 | chops | Yourname``: Wait, you're on a new computer? Perhaps the port forwarding for torrent is not set up properly. |
| 18:17.57 | jim | oh |
| 18:17.59 | jim | ok :) |
| 18:18.02 | wols | all core2duo are dualcores |
| 18:18.14 | Yourname`` | chops: There's no firewall, I think. Lemme check the XP firewall. |
| 18:18.19 | jim | no wonder it' |
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| 18:18.29 | jim | s a little sluggish |
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| 18:18.43 | chops | Yourname``: You're not behind a NAT firewall? With an XP machine, that's extremely brave... |
| 18:19.05 | wols | it's foolish |
| 18:19.08 | Yourname`` | chops: Yeah, no firewall. And no, I'm on a direct IP at a 500mbps datacentre. |
| 18:19.16 | jim | so: he can, but he loses resources |
| 18:19.29 | Yourname`` | It doesn't matter because I call it "torrentbox", lol, it's just for torrents. |
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| 18:19.48 | chops | Yourname``: Anyway, I'd suggest you try to download other torrents from the _same_ machine and see if they go quickly. I suspect your bittorrent is not set up properly. Of course, it's also possible that the Debian torrents are simply slow for some reason (some bt clients can show you details of how the health of the torrent is). |
| 18:20.02 | jim | Yourname``: so, this is how far? 600 miles? |
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| 18:20.17 | Yourname`` | jim: 15 min cab drive. :P |
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| 18:20.22 | geneven | how do I get the screen blanker to stop asking me for my password? |
| 18:20.32 | jim | cab??! don't pay the cabbie, try this! |
| 18:20.39 | jim | if it doesn't work, then pay the cabbie |
| 18:20.48 | abrotman | geneven: in gnome? |
| 18:20.49 | jim | ok, so that' |
| 18:20.57 | geneven | yes |
| 18:21.07 | Yourname`` | lol |
| 18:21.07 | geneven | it's the default |
| 18:21.11 | jim | err nm, stupid enter key |
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| 18:21.24 | geneven | oops, I guess this is kde, in slax |
| 18:21.49 | geneven | sorry, not slax, distro confusion |
| 18:21.50 | Yourname`` | chops: What does it mean in the seeds column 1(6079) and peers 6(10808) ? |
| 18:22.07 | jim | Yourname``: I'm just telling ya, you can either take the ride and pay or else not spend the money |
| 18:22.12 | geneven | and not kde |
| 18:22.22 | chops | Yourname``: I'm not sure. You're the one that uses bittorrent regularly. :-) |
| 18:22.35 | Yourname`` | jim: By my driviing stylez, it might take my 7mins. |
| 18:22.48 | jim | oh, well... |
| 18:22.50 | jim | haha |
| 18:22.52 | Yourname`` | chops: Yeah, but never had to pay attention to that part, lol.. |
| 18:22.54 | geneven | I never tried debian before, sorry, but everytime the screen blanks I have to enter my password to get back in |
| 18:23.05 | jim | don't meet the cabbie you will have failed to pay :) |
| 18:23.06 | Supaplex | what crackhead got their operpassword sniffed now? stupid freshmeat |
| 18:23.17 | geneven | reminds me of the old stories about the cookie monster |
| 18:23.47 | jim | geneven: hmm, your screensaver is set to lock? |
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| 18:24.01 | geneven | I guess so |
| 18:24.08 | holst | jikes |
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| 18:24.18 | holst | live utf8 |
| 18:24.24 | geneven | I haven't been able to find the setting to turn it off |
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| 18:24.43 | geneven | I don't mind the screen blanking, I just don't want to enter my password all the time |
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| 18:24.57 | maze | hello |
| 18:25.11 | maze | does anybody know what the status for Xen in Debian4.0 is? |
| 18:25.38 | jim | I think you can get xen 3.1 using waldi's kernel repo |
| 18:25.48 | jim | otherwise it's the earlier one |
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| 18:26.01 | Eccorusz | hi |
| 18:26.04 | jim | (by using just the debian repo) |
| 18:26.14 | Eccorusz | hello |
| 18:26.23 | jim | meep meep |
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| 18:26.44 | Eccorusz | hello |
| 18:26.45 | Supaplex | maze: I've lost touch with xen in the last few months, but... 'stalled' is my guess. |
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| 18:27.18 | Eccorusz | is there any debian version for usb hard disk |
| 18:27.20 | Eccorusz | ?? |
| 18:27.24 | jim | sure |
| 18:27.27 | jim | I'm using one now |
| 18:27.30 | maze | Supaplex, it's just that I'm about to install a new box that will serve as a xen host, and it has to be stable enough to run for at least a year |
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| 18:27.46 | jim | well my laptop is |
| 18:27.49 | Eccorusz | how to do this ? |
| 18:27.56 | jim | what |
| 18:28.00 | jim | is your deb version? |
| 18:28.04 | Supaplex | maze: I haven't used it enough to know how stable it is. |
| 18:28.05 | maze | Eccorusz, it's no different from any other debian install afaik |
| 18:28.11 | maze | Supaplex, ok |
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| 18:28.30 | Eccorusz | to boot debian via usb hard disk |
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| 18:30.35 | Eccorusz | how to do to boot from usb hard disk ? |
| 18:30.43 | Supaplex | Eccorusz: set your bios to boot from it |
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| 18:30.59 | Eccorusz | bios is ok |
| 18:31.12 | Eccorusz | and tthen ? |
| 18:31.26 | Supaplex | is the disk bootable? |
| 18:31.41 | Eccorusz | i explain |
| 18:32.00 | Eccorusz | i just extract the debian iso |
| 18:32.07 | Eccorusz | and then i copy all files |
| 18:32.10 | Eccorusz | to my hard |
| 18:32.16 | Eccorusz | when i reboot my |
| 18:32.16 | Supaplex | !tell Eccorusz -about i-g |
| 18:32.17 | Eccorusz | pc |
| 18:32.31 | Supaplex | oh, and stop with the enter key so much |
| 18:32.56 | Eccorusz | ok |
| 18:33.21 | Eccorusz | when i try to boot from hard disk |
| 18:33.32 | Eccorusz | it display boot failure |
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| 18:33.38 | Supaplex | anyway, your origional question was inaccurate. "How do I install debian to boot from a usb drive?" |
| 18:33.46 | Supaplex | did you see the note dpkg sent you? |
| 18:33.48 | Eccorusz | yeah |
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| 18:33.52 | Supaplex | the install guide covers this |
| 18:34.06 | techouse | is there any app that can convert pdf files to powerpoint or some other format? |
| 18:34.14 | tarzeau | is it possible that irc.oftc.net sucks? |
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| 18:34.55 | slidesinger | If I want to create a mirror of my production lamp server (etch) for testing purposes, is rsync the best tool to use? |
| 18:35.07 | BubbaT | Hey anyone know of a disk editor/sector editor? |
| 18:35.51 | omnil | BubbaT: lde |
| 18:36.29 | BubbaT | omnil, thanks |
| 18:36.43 | Eccorusz | ok |
| 18:36.45 | Eccorusz | thx |
| 18:37.02 | Eccorusz | what is the different between ubuntu and debian ? |
| 18:37.03 | Supaplex | tarzeau: yeah. had to rejoin everything. |
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| 18:37.31 | SANTA_CLAUS | hello |
| 18:37.38 | Eccorusz | why debian not associate with ubuntu ? |
| 18:37.41 | Supaplex | !tell Eccorusz -about why debian |
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| 18:38.19 | dryrot | how do i allow one particular SSH key to run a particular command ? |
| 18:38.23 | Supaplex | Eccorusz: that's not entirely accurate. our developers share bug fixes and various things. |
| 18:39.13 | jim | Eccorusz: debian has lots of volunteer people who make packages out of software available on the net; debian has three tiers of stability, one of those called sid aka unstable. ubuntu takes debian unstable, works on it for like 6 months and releases it. |
| 18:39.16 | Eccorusz | ubuntu is better than debian ? |
| 18:39.25 | jim | you decide that |
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| 18:39.35 | jim | it's what works better for YOU |
| 18:39.37 | Eccorusz | go and see ubuntu chatroom |
| 18:39.47 | Eccorusz | lot of volunteer than here |
| 18:39.50 | cahoot | haha |
| 18:39.51 | jim | try them and see |
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| 18:40.08 | amphi | Eccorusz: #ubuntu - irc for humans ;) |
| 18:40.14 | Supaplex | dryrot: man ssh, 'forced' |
| 18:40.21 | jim | not all the people here are debian packagers |
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| 18:40.21 | Eccorusz | i got also ubuntu |
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| 18:40.38 | jim | so why are you thinking about debian right now? |
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| 18:40.51 | Supaplex | Eccorusz: yeah so? ubuntu is too hasty to release untested software imo. |
| 18:40.53 | pngwn | Eccorusz, that's nice but it would be off topic in here |
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| 18:41.21 | path_ | !ot |
| 18:41.21 | dpkg | ot is, like, Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 18:43.53 | Eccorusz | ok |
| 18:44.01 | jim | Eccorusz: ubuntu is just different, they do things differently, I don't know if they contribute to debian by filing bug reports (if they do, then YAY UBUNTU WOOF WOOF -- because they would therefore be helping), but other than that, there isn't really a "better" or "worse" that is really in focus |
| 18:44.38 | jim | there are many ubuntu maints who are also debian maints btw |
| 18:44.50 | dryrot | your grandmother will have an easier time with Ubuntu, than debian |
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| 18:45.07 | jim | mine would need a psychic interface :P |
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| 18:46.19 | Eccorusz | and sudo password |
| 18:46.30 | Eccorusz | is it secure ? |
| 18:46.34 | Eccorusz | in debian |
| 18:46.53 | jim | nothing is absolutely secure. security is created by people |
| 18:46.57 | Algaeman | Do I need to build my own kernel to use the anticipatory scheduler or is there somewhere in proc that I can change that? |
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| 18:47.26 | arcticpenguin380 | does debian come with ndiswrapper |
| 18:47.29 | chops | Algaeman: Echo anticipatory > /sys/block/???/queue/scheduler |
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| 18:47.35 | Eccorusz | ok thx jim |
| 18:47.40 | Algaeman | thank you |
| 18:47.49 | jim | Eccorusz: who knows, you might like debian after you try it |
| 18:47.52 | jim | or not. |
| 18:47.59 | chops | Algaeman: I highly recommend it, FWIW -- I've got some RAID5 arrays, and for those at least it makes an enormous difference to typical performance |
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| 18:48.11 | Algaeman | that was my intention :) |
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| 18:48.43 | jim | what about one-drive setups with lots of volumes? |
| 18:49.05 | chops | Algaeman: I knew I had forgotten to enable it on one array because I saw that I was getting 40 MB/s write and ~0.5 MB/s read under continuous read and write load :-) |
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| 18:49.09 | jim | anticipatory scheduler affect that |
| 18:49.10 | jim | ? |
| 18:49.11 | Eccorusz | me kind of man who like complicated thing than simple interface |
| 18:49.19 | Eccorusz | so i want to try debian |
| 18:49.29 | Algaeman | chops: Is there somewhere you can throw that in /etc/defaults to set it every time, or do I need to write a script? |
| 18:49.31 | jim | Eccorusz: in THAT case, get a girlfriend! |
| 18:49.36 | chops | Algaeman: /etc/rc.local |
| 18:49.38 | arcticpenguin380 | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:49.38 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper] a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:49.51 | chops | jim: What kind of setup? RAID? LVM? striped? What RAID level? |
| 18:49.58 | Algaeman | well, yeah. ok, thanks. |
| 18:49.58 | Eccorusz | ok thx ppl |
| 18:49.59 | jim | no raid, just lvm |
| 18:50.36 | jim | Eccorusz: welcome. and just so you know, you can just start asking questions when you join the channel |
| 18:50.41 | chops | jim: It might make a difference (ultimately it depends a lot on workload; the default is supposed to be generally sensible). It's worth trying them all and measuring under your typical workload if you've got heavy disk I/O though. |
| 18:50.54 | chops | jim: It's very easy to switch schedulers and measure with iostat :-) |
| 18:51.02 | Eccorusz | ok |
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| 18:51.14 | jim | hmm, cool... thanks chops, I'll consider that |
| 18:51.19 | chops | jim: np |
| 18:51.29 | jim | right now I'm considering an RME hammerfall setup |
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| 18:52.41 | Algaeman | or set up mrtg and watch disk io for longer term monitoring of the disk speed |
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| 18:53.13 | ianm_ | Hello, Debianfolk. For those of us with a sarge installs we'd like to keep around just a little longer, is there anyone planning on providing security updates after March 31? |
| 18:53.25 | chops | ianm_: Doubtful |
| 18:53.25 | abrotman | ianm_: you? :) |
| 18:53.44 | abrotman | ianm_: you could ask the debian-security mailing list |
| 18:54.00 | chops | ianm_: Is there a specific reason you're not upgrading? |
| 18:54.22 | ianm_ | abrotman: Thanks, I might ask there. |
| 18:54.42 | abrotman | ianm_: but realistically .. you should upgrade .. at some point even unofficial security will end |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | (unless you plan to do it yourself .. forever) |
| 18:55.50 | ianm_ | chops: I'll be upgrading, just wanted a bit more time. And you're correct of course about security updates having to end at some point. :-) |
| 18:55.52 | jim | ianm_: we want details :) what you got? why are you sticking with sarge? (yes I know one reason: upgrading means a handful of little tiny things will change, and it's annoying when you find them unexpectedly) |
| 18:56.42 | chops | ianm_: Yeah. I have one system that's still on sarge (almost no services and a customized sarge kernel plus very low usage equals extreme laziness on my part)... |
| 18:56.44 | abrotman | ianm_: more time? you've got a whole month! .. you even got today as a gift .. yay leap day! |
| 18:56.50 | chops | ianm_: That said, you should suck it up and upgrade soon. :-) |
| 18:57.09 | ianm_ | jim: Nope, you got it. Little tiny thing will break. Didn't want to deal with it quite yet, but will if I must. |
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| 18:57.36 | jim | maybe you can put yourself at ease by installing a chroot |
| 18:57.47 | Algaeman | or make a vm of it. |
| 18:57.47 | tdn | I am trying to make virtual users work with vsftpd and pam, but for some reason, my db with the virtual users is ignored. Local system users *are* allowed login, but the virtual users are not. My /etc/vsftpd.conf is here : http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1077.html, I /etc/pam.d/ftp a symbolic link to /etc/vsftpd.pam, which can be seen here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1078.html. |
| 18:57.55 | tdn | I hope you can help me out. |
| 18:58.12 | jim | and installing it onto separate partitions so that you can eventually boot it native and have your sarge be the chroot |
| 18:58.14 | ianm_ | jim: And at the risk of incurring the wrath of the fine Debian users for whom I have the greatest respect, we're in the process of moving away from Debian. |
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| 18:58.34 | jim | ahh. to what? |
| 18:58.35 | abrotman | ianm_: b-b-b-but why?! |
| 18:58.37 | chops | ianm_: Heh |
| 18:58.43 | ianm_ | jim: So, if I could avoid sarge -> etch and *then* moving distros I would. :-) |
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| 18:58.54 | lispy | hah, okay this isn't funny anymore...trying to navigate to any url in iceweasel takes me to http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/ |
| 18:58.59 | lispy | how do I fix that? |
| 18:59.23 | maligor | make a proxy that randomly redirects www.mozilla.com to other sites |
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| 18:59.44 | maligor | "how to make matters worse" |
| 18:59.50 | lispy | heh yeah |
| 18:59.54 | lispy | but seriously, this brows |
| 18:59.57 | lispy | er blows |
| 19:00.02 | jim | well now I see your situation... and frankly I don't see your need to have the security updates in that case... but maybe you do... I'm just saying you probably have more time than you think you do |
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| 19:00.34 | ianm_ | jim: We're deploying new service on RHEL5 and will be moving old services over soon. |
| 19:00.51 | jim | I see |
| 19:00.54 | lispy | also, is there a way to make gnome use larger fonts? it's frick'n tiny |
| 19:00.55 | maligor | lispy, icewasel settings are stored in ~/.mozilla/firefox, you can always try removing that, just make sure you save anything you need to from it |
| 19:00.59 | maligor | like bookmarks |
| 19:01.08 | abrotman | ianm_: You'll be back!!! </shake_fist> |
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| 19:01.25 | lispy | maligor: k, i'll try that (I don't save settings locally to the browser so I'll just toast it) |
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| 19:01.46 | jim | what is rhel offering that is pulling you in that direction, if I might ask? |
| 19:01.48 | chops | ianm_: There's not a lot of way to say this without sounding like I'm criticizing your decision or giving you grief... but... why? :-) Have you (or whoever's making the decision to migrate) found RHEL5 easier to administrate than Debian? |
| 19:01.58 | ianm_ | abrotman: I'll be begging your forgiveness in short order, I'm sure. Thanks all for the advice. |
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| 19:02.11 | abrotman | ianm_: are the RH boxen not ready yet? |
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| 19:02.49 | abrotman | ianm_: you should apologize to dpkg ("dpkg: sorry") |
| 19:02.58 | jim | (it sounds like a committee decision to me) |
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| 19:04.06 | ianm_ | jim, Nope, not a committe decision -- it's my doing. Support from our storage vendor (EMC) was one factor. |
| 19:04.13 | chops | ianm_: It's just that I've worked with both Debian and RHEL, and I found that I much preferred Debian. |
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| 19:04.31 | abrotman | ianm_: you didn't pay EMC enough to support debian :) |
| 19:04.41 | chops | ianm_: That is a hefty consideration. I just set up an iSCSI array and had to scramble quite a bit to get a stable driver for it on Debian :-). |
| 19:04.49 | lispy | maligor: I think that fixed it, thanks |
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| 19:05.24 | jim | ianm_: I see... what were some of the other factors? (I'm asking because I'm wondering how debian could do better) |
| 19:06.22 | arcticpenguin380 | if i install debian from DVD can i just use 1? |
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| 19:06.32 | abrotman | arcticpenguin380: yes |
| 19:06.46 | arcticpenguin380 | is KDE on that one? |
| 19:06.49 | chops | arcticpenguin380: Unless you have special needs, the netinst is generally easier then dealing with downloading the whole DVD |
| 19:07.01 | abrotman | !tell arcticpenguin380 about cd contents |
| 19:07.09 | ianm_ | chops: Sure, I understand. I've used both as well. I have more experience with Red Hat, as it happens. In short, we were using Debian for the most part, but the hosts connected to the SAN had to be RHEL. |
| 19:07.15 | chops | arcticpenguin380: Most of the software for Debian you'll wind up installing over the internet (the DVD basically acts as a local cache of software that's available in identical form over the network). |
| 19:07.20 | ianm_ | chops: I really didn't want to support more than one distribution if I could help it. |
| 19:07.21 | chops | ianm_: nod |
| 19:07.25 | chops | ianm_: Makes sense |
| 19:07.34 | arcticpenguin380 | problem is i only have Wifi on this computer =( |
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| 19:08.40 | jim | gotta get to the city |
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| 19:09.26 | abrotman | jim: i thought you lived under the city? |
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| 19:10.26 | arcticpenguin380 | !nvidia |
| 19:10.26 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 19:10.34 | jim | nope, to its east |
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| 19:11.51 | arcticpenguin380 | is debian more lightwieght than kubuntu |
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| 19:12.00 | chops | arcticpenguin380: Depends on how much you install :-) |
| 19:12.07 | jim | arcticpenguin380: install each and see :) |
| 19:12.25 | arcticpenguin380 | im gonna run debian in vbox first |
| 19:12.31 | jim | you could install just base (needed for anything), kde, kdm and xserver-xorg |
| 19:12.36 | natefoo | chops: yeah, everything is good. |
| 19:12.51 | chops | natefoo: Good to hear |
| 19:12.59 | jim | gotta shut this thing down |
| 19:13.11 | natefoo | thanks for the help. |
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| 19:13.43 | chops | natefoo: It remains to be seen whether sarge->etch was an anomaly (caused by the kernel major upgrade, the xorg transition, and aptitude becoming mature all at once), or the new way that stable->stable upgrades will go :-/ |
| 19:13.57 | chops | natefoo: But in any case, it's better to follow the upgrade instructions :-) |
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| 19:14.00 | o2T7 | please, this symbol -> "~".. how to get it inw every SO? I mean, a special combination of keys or something? |
| 19:14.05 | chops | natefoo: No problem. Cheers. |
| 19:14.07 | natefoo | well it seems to me if you adopt early enough, it's not a huge problem. |
| 19:14.08 | o2T7 | in* |
| 19:14.16 | natefoo | i.e. if you run dist-upgrade frequently. |
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| 19:14.33 | natefoo | the big problem was not being on sarge 2.6 in the first place. |
| 19:14.41 | arcticpenguin380 | does debians kernel have the retricted parts so ndiswrapper can compile? |
| 19:14.47 | Maulkin | o2T7: It's above # on my keyboard |
| 19:14.55 | Maulkin | !ndiswrapper |
| 19:14.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:15.23 | o2T7 | Maulkim: mmm, above # is a point on mine :( |
| 19:15.47 | Maulkin | I'm sure there's some way. |
| 19:15.53 | Maulkin | try alt+gr |
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| 19:16.27 | HyperDevil | how can i automaticly load my iptables settings on etch? |
| 19:16.41 | wols | a script |
| 19:16.47 | chemist | can I use any special parameter to install debian without openoffice? |
| 19:16.53 | HyperDevil | wols: afcource, but on boot? |
| 19:16.53 | wols | or via ipup.d from interfaces |
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| 19:17.05 | wols | chemist: you never need to install OO |
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| 19:17.11 | wols | HyperDevil: yes on boot |
| 19:17.24 | wols | chemist: no special parameter needed |
| 19:18.00 | HyperDevil | wols: yes i have the script, now i need a good way to let etch automaticly load it |
| 19:18.01 | chemist | wols: it installs oo by default, I want to install debian without it |
| 19:18.10 | wols | chemist: there is no "default" in debian |
| 19:18.26 | wols | chemist: you selct it via tasksel at the end of install |
| 19:18.33 | wols | HyperDevil: I told you |
| 19:18.43 | chemist | wols: ok |
| 19:18.58 | HyperDevil | wols: no you did not, you said a script, that is ok i have one.. now the way to make etch automaticly load it.. |
| 19:19.01 | wols | !tell chemist about hold |
| 19:19.21 | wols | HyperDevil: 20:17 < wols> or via ipup.d from interfaces |
| 19:19.29 | wols | ip-up.d rather |
| 19:19.37 | HyperDevil | wols: ok will check that |
| 19:19.46 | wols | if-up.d. damn |
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| 19:20.44 | ttl- | greeting |
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| 19:20.47 | HyperDevil | wols: just symlink the script there? |
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| 19:23.14 | ttl- | i want to report a problem building madwifi-source with module-assistant: madwifi-modules-2.6.22-3-686 depends on madwifi-tools (>= 1:0.9.4~rc2+dfsg-1); however: |
| 19:23.14 | ttl- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.22 | HyperDevil | wols: just symlink the script there? |
| 19:23.24 | lontra | can anyone recommend a good math equation editor? i've been using oo.org2 math but it kind of sucks and won't let me use the ^ character properly |
| 19:23.38 | dondelelcaro | lontra: just use latex |
| 19:23.38 | ttl- | i'm using etch |
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| 19:24.08 | lontra | dondelelcaro: i've never used it, can i use it to create equation and drop them into an oo.org2 file? |
| 19:24.09 | ttl- | and the latest version is 1:0.9.3+dfsg-3 |
| 19:24.11 | Ace2016 | people are actually bidding on windows 98 on ebay |
| 19:24.26 | dondelelcaro | lontra: heh. no, it's what most serious mathematicians use to write equations |
| 19:24.27 | Maulkin | ttl-: madwifi-modules-2.6.22-3-686 didn't come from us... |
| 19:24.32 | Ace2016 | man i want win98, and they're pushing up the price |
| 19:24.45 | lontra | dondelelcaro: well i'm getting a degree in statistics so maybe i should learn it ;) |
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| 19:25.00 | MrKeuner | hi, I need to increase the debugging/verbosity level of acpid into syslog and I edit the /etc/defaults/acpid file and add -d to OPTIONS variable. However, when I restart /etc/init.d/acpid I get all the log in the stdout/stderr(which is also a documented feature). How can I make acpid log these into /var/log/acpid as well? (-l option does not work either, neither does 2>&1 >> /var/log/acpid) |
| 19:25.14 | lontra | dondelelcaro: what would be the best way to install latex on debian? |
| 19:25.19 | dondelelcaro | lontra: that said, there *are* ways of using latex to produce an eps or png or similar that you can import into oo.org, but that's kind of kludgy. |
| 19:25.32 | dondelelcaro | lontra: aptitude install texlive; |
| 19:25.46 | ttl- | Maulkin: is'nt that what module-assistant builds from madwifi-source ? |
| 19:26.03 | lontra | dondelelcaro: and latex is a backend right? i would edit a formula in my favorite text editor correct? |
| 19:26.10 | arcticpenguin380 | what kernel does debian usuer |
| 19:26.16 | Maulkin | ttl-: what's the output of 'uname -a' ? |
| 19:26.23 | Maulkin | arcticpenguin380: 2.6.18 |
| 19:26.30 | Maulkin | arcticpenguin380: for now anyway. |
| 19:26.53 | dondelelcaro | lontra: right |
| 19:27.06 | lontra | dondelelcaro: and lyx for example would be a kde frontend? |
| 19:27.22 | ttl- | Maulkin: 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 20:20:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:27.45 | Maulkin | ttl-: Where did you get your kernel from? |
| 19:28.05 | ttl- | Maulkin: from a debian mirror |
| 19:28.20 | Maulkin | ttl-: So, you randomly downloaded a kernel and expect things to work now? |
| 19:28.25 | arcticpenguin380 | i remember 2.6.18 had a nasty bug |
| 19:28.40 | ttl- | Maulkin: no i tried to build the module |
| 19:28.51 | Maulkin | ttl-: 2.6.22 isn't a stable kernel |
| 19:29.16 | arcticpenguin380 | is 2.6.22 the one that AM said had a lot of bugs? |
| 19:29.19 | Maulkin | arcticpenguin380: details? |
| 19:29.24 | ttl- | Maulkin: No i'm using testing, and it's the latest in the testing branch |
| 19:29.24 | cengiz_unlu | hello, i put 1,5gB ram on my debian (previsously i got 768mB), but with 'free' i see only 906408kB, what should i do to got the all memory on my system ? |
| 19:29.47 | Maulkin | ttl-: then why did you say you're using etch? |
| 19:29.50 | wols | cengiz_unlu: use the proper kernel for your CPU. not the -486 one |
| 19:29.50 | arcticpenguin380 | the harddrive would make a pop sound on poweroff |
| 19:30.14 | ttl- | Maulkin: sorry i mean lenny |
| 19:30.20 | cengiz_unlu | wols: ah ? i got an amd athlon xp 2600+, wich i must use ? 686 ? |
| 19:30.28 | ttl- | Maulkin: my apologizes |
| 19:30.29 | wols | cengiz_unlu: yes, or k7 |
| 19:30.35 | arcticpenguin380 | isnt xp k8? |
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| 19:30.44 | Maulkin | ttl-: right ok. In that case, it may be broken. Check the BTS or usual places. |
| 19:30.45 | wols | arcticpenguin380: no |
| 19:31.10 | wols | !info madwifi-tools lenny |
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| 19:31.27 | Maulkin | 1:0.9.3+dfsg-3 |
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| 19:32.16 | marinosi | Hello..I have problem with dpkg ..It stopped an upgrade and I only get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:32.16 | lontra | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 19:32.27 | wols | marinosi: give us the proper error |
| 19:32.30 | wols | !tell marinosi about bat |
| 19:32.34 | dpkg | madwifi-tools: (tools for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.3+dfsg-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 19:33.33 | wols | ttl-: the madwifi-tools you need are in sid however |
| 19:33.55 | dondelelcaro | lontra: np |
| 19:33.57 | ttl- | wols: i will install from sid source |
| 19:34.06 | ttl- | wols: thanks |
| 19:34.13 | arcticpenguin380 | can i install debian from just the kde cd? |
| 19:34.19 | craigevil | yes |
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| 19:34.36 | marinosi | wols: Well I did purge the package at whick apt-get crashed and then apt-get install it and now dpkg works fine.. |
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| 19:34.39 | marinosi | THank you |
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| 19:36.41 | arcticpenguin380 | is there a company sponsoring debian like novell to mssuse? |
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| 19:37.05 | cengiz_unlu | wols: thanks, i installed the 686 (but in his description is said ppro,celeron,p2,p3,p4), i reboot. |
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| 19:37.35 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 19:38.11 | DukeDrake | I keep on getting *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x08112320 *** errors from proftd |
| 19:38.26 | chops | DukeDrake: Sounds like a proftpd bug |
| 19:38.33 | DukeDrake | k |
| 19:39.12 | DukeDrake | Hence I would like to reinstall it or install a new version - unfortunately I'm not very experienced in debian |
| 19:39.15 | Adys | Anyone knows how to restart Bind? what Im finding is outdated |
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| 19:39.43 | polishkoop | clear |
| 19:39.43 | ttl- | wols: Ok installed madwifi-tools from sid and everything works now |
| 19:39.44 | chops | DukeDrake: You could file a bug |
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| 19:40.15 | polishkoop | I just installed alsa and got my sound working, but when I try to use cdcd or dcd or cdtool to play a music cd, I don't get sound. What could be the problem? |
| 19:40.50 | maligor | they probably just control cd playback |
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| 19:40.57 | DukeDrake | chops: chances are, I installed it wrong somehow.... |
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| 19:41.06 | DukeDrake | chops: how can I deinstall it? |
| 19:41.14 | chops | DukeDrake: How did you install it? |
| 19:41.39 | maligor | polishkoop, and that only works if you have a line connected from the cdrom drive to the soundcard, more modern apps should read the cd through the ATA link |
| 19:41.52 | DukeDrake | chops: can't remember >.< |
| 19:42.01 | chops | DukeDrake: ... |
| 19:42.09 | DukeDrake | chops: would it be alright to just install a newer version with apt-get? |
| 19:42.20 | dryrot | apt-proxy always hangs for me after a while, i dont' get it |
| 19:42.25 | chops | DukeDrake: What does 'dpkg -l proftpd' say? What about 'apt-cache policy proftpd'? (use pastebin) |
| 19:43.31 | polishkoop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.08 | cengiz_unlu | I'm back, thanks wols, it's working fine :) |
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| 19:44.16 | DukeDrake | chops: wow, those are nice |
| 19:44.22 | dryrot | is there a security.debian.org mirror ? |
| 19:44.28 | arcticpenguin380 | !lenny |
| 19:44.28 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
| 19:44.30 | maligor | polishkoop, use a program that reads the CD tracks |
| 19:44.31 | chops | DukeDrake: The power of package management :-) |
| 19:44.55 | chops | dryrot: No. There are a few machines that that resolves to (IIRC), but it's too important to risk a mirror falling out of date |
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| 19:45.20 | DukeDrake | apparently v. 1.2.10-15 is installed (*** 1.2.10-15 and code 100) and it lists 1.3.0-19 without the stars |
| 19:45.28 | maligor | polishkoop, pretty sure banshee/rhythmbox do that, probably anything using gstreamer |
| 19:45.44 | maligor | xine/mplayer/vlc probably too |
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| 19:46.14 | lontra | polishkoop: have you configured alsa yet? |
| 19:46.20 | lontra | polishkoop: do you have sound at all? |
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| 19:46.24 | DukeDrake | chops: what next? o.o |
| 19:46.34 | chops | DukeDrake: Tread carefully |
| 19:46.41 | chops | DukeDrake: You've got a sarge system with etch in your sources.list |
| 19:46.46 | maligor | lontra, heh, that too |
| 19:46.53 | chops | DukeDrake: Are you meaning to run sarge on this system? |
| 19:47.08 | lontra | maligor: ;) |
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| 19:47.48 | polishkoop | yah I have done ALSA and I can rip tracks from the cd and play them |
| 19:48.00 | DukeDrake | chops: I don't know o.o |
| 19:48.10 | polishkoop | but i cant play them without doing that. And i don't have xorg installed yet so I have no gui. I need a command line player, and I know ive used one before that worked |
| 19:48.12 | maligor | polishkoop, do you have a spdif cable linking your cdrom drive to the soundcard?-) |
| 19:48.15 | polishkoop | no |
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| 19:48.22 | maligor | that's the only way to use cdcd and friends I believe |
| 19:48.28 | arcticpenguin380 | is ext3 defualt? |
| 19:48.33 | lontra | arcticpenguin380: yes |
| 19:48.38 | maligor | new cdrom drivers don't even have that option anymore too |
| 19:48.45 | chops | DukeDrake: Who is the admin of the system you're running? |
| 19:48.48 | polishkoop | there are no console cd players that dont use that? |
| 19:49.03 | lontra | polishkoop: ocp? |
| 19:49.09 | lontra | polishkoop: opencubicplayer |
| 19:50.02 | DukeDrake | chops: me o.o |
| 19:50.03 | maligor | mm.. cubicplayer, I think I remember that from the past |
| 19:50.04 | abrotman | cplay ? |
| 19:50.14 | DukeDrake | *ducks* |
| 19:50.22 | chops | DukeDrake: Hm; what's 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1' say? |
| 19:50.53 | chops | DukeDrake: No worries... you should probably read some of the Debian docs to learn more about administrating the system, though. |
| 19:51.06 | DukeDrake | chops: libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et |
| 19:51.15 | chops | !tell DukeDrake about grounding |
| 19:51.28 | maligor | polishkoop, xmms2 seems to support it |
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| 19:51.33 | chops | DukeDrake: Ah, that's the trouble (or may well be). You're running a Debian 3.1 system that's partially upgraded to Debian 4.0. |
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| 19:51.40 | maligor | and it should have a CLI interface |
| 19:51.47 | DukeDrake | >.< |
| 19:51.54 | chops | DukeDrake: As a stopgap measure, you can say 'aptitude install proftpd' to upgrade to the etch version |
| 19:52.23 | chops | DukeDrake: But you should read some of the manuals about releases and package management and such, and decide when a good time will be to try to ugprade the whole system to etch |
| 19:52.28 | chops | DukeDrake: It may be somewhat difficult :-( |
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| 19:53.08 | arcticpenguin380 | is there a company that owns debian like redhat owns fedora |
| 19:53.28 | ericpersson | hi, been trying to replace my wpa_gui with the nm-applet, but i cant get it to work with wpa. wpa_gui does, so wpasupplicant is probably correct, but i cant pick wpa in the nm-applet interface. I googled, but no luck yet, any hints? |
| 19:53.28 | DukeDrake | chops: I'm using the system quite a lot, but unfortunately only have very few time to do administrative stuff |
| 19:53.32 | lontra | arcticpenguin380: no |
| 19:53.35 | abrotman | arcticpenguin380: owns? no |
| 19:53.40 | lontra | arcticpenguin380: google these silly questions |
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| 19:53.53 | chops | arcticpenguin380: There's SPI, which is a sort of legal entity which represents Debian in that arena |
| 19:53.54 | DukeDrake | chops: thanx for the green light for apt-get ^^ |
| 19:53.57 | polishkoop | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.59 | chops | DukeDrake: np |
| 19:54.05 | arcticpenguin380 | ok |
| 19:54.11 | arcticpenguin380 | im gonna try out debian now |
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| 19:54.23 | abrotman | what were all the questions you asked us months ago? |
| 19:54.26 | polishkoop | im gonna try to put my drive as master, and reinstall debian. who knows, maybe its a problem. |
| 19:54.27 | chops | DukeDrake: You'll really want to make time to learn about this stuff before something breaks, though. Then you'll _have_ to take the time to learn it, and your system will be broken while you're learning |
| 19:54.33 | lontra | abrotman: me? |
| 19:54.36 | abrotman | not you |
| 19:54.59 | DukeDrake | chops: that's be evil >.< |
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| 19:55.10 | chops | DukeDrake: ? |
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| 19:58.52 | RBRIDDICK | hi! why does my 1gb ddr ram stripe show up as 884mb in top and dmesg? |
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| 19:59.08 | abrotman | RBRIDDICK: uname -a |
| 19:59.18 | abrotman | RBRIDDICK: and what is your CPU ? |
| 19:59.51 | RBRIDDICK | athlon xp 2400 |
| 19:59.52 | xope1 | how do i set the default umask for users who are sftp'ing files? |
| 19:59.58 | abrotman | RBRIDDICK: and uname -a ? |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | RBRIDDICK: and which version of debian? |
| 20:00.11 | chops | xope1: It's probably settable in the sftp server configuration |
| 20:00.22 | RBRIDDICK | Linux neo 2.6.18 #3 Fri Feb 29 19:02:30 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:00.33 | abrotman | that wasn't uname -a .. but whatever |
| 20:00.33 | RBRIDDICK | etch |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | RBRIDDICK: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 20:00.58 | xope1 | chops: there |
| 20:01.00 | RBRIDDICK | neo:~> uname -a |
| 20:01.00 | RBRIDDICK | Linux neo 2.6.18 #3 Fri Feb 29 19:02:30 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:01.07 | RBRIDDICK | it was |
| 20:01.10 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 20:01.15 | xope1 | chops: sorry. there's nothing about umask in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 20:02.02 | RBRIDDICK | yeah - my hubs dont like usb2 |
| 20:02.08 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 20:02.09 | foo | hm, this is weird. I do apt-file update && apt-file search strings (because rkhunter is complaining that strings isn't found) ... and it doesn't return anything. Either A) it's broke, or maybe I don't have the correct repository? hmph |
| 20:02.16 | abrotman | well .. when you compiled your kernel .. you left out the HIGHMEM option |
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| 20:02.32 | abrotman | RBRIDDICK: so you'll have to compile it again i suppose |
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| 20:03.05 | maligor | abrotman, 1gb requires HIGHMEM? |
| 20:03.21 | abrotman | more than 960MB does |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | or whatever the magic nubmer is |
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| 20:03.36 | maligor | I thought it was 4gb |
| 20:03.44 | abrotman | not if you don't set the option |
| 20:03.54 | maligor | but I haven't used 32bit kernels for a while now |
| 20:04.02 | RBRIDDICK | yeah - i tried 4gb option first... but then it crashed sometimes... |
| 20:04.02 | simonrvn | 968 |
| 20:04.15 | simonrvn | on x86 |
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| 20:05.36 | abrotman | RBRIDDICK: well .. it's your decision |
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| 20:06.21 | RBRIDDICK | is the ram bad possibly? |
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| 20:06.33 | Ace2016 | Hi, what does ld-linux.so do? i think its an interpreter but how do i get it to start, i swear i just killed it in ksysguard after it had a MASSIVE memory leak taking 1.8gb of ram and seriously lagging up my pc |
| 20:06.49 | abrotman | !memtest |
| 20:06.49 | dpkg | [memtest] http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn> |
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| 20:08.07 | Ace2016 | huh? |
| 20:08.18 | Ace2016 | memory leaks are caused by problem hardware? |
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| 20:08.43 | Maulkin | Ace2016: that wasn't in reply to to you |
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| 20:08.43 | abrotman | what are you talking about? |
| 20:08.50 | abrotman | Ace2016: oh .. not for you |
| 20:09.04 | Ace2016 | oh phew, thought my hardware could be faulty |
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| 20:09.10 | Maulkin | Ace2016: man 8 ld-linux |
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| 20:09.40 | Maulkin | It's the dynamic link loader |
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| 20:10.46 | simonrvn | Maulkin: i guess oftc doesn't like my ctcp version string, or something |
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| 20:11.10 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, I need to access via vnc to my work computer from my house, but my work computer is behind a firewall, how can I do it? I have access via ssh to another computer here in my work, it has public ip, and 2 NICs, one to outside another insidem, how can I do that? |
| 20:11.14 | metalhen | hi there. I have an application I want to build from source with need for ./configure the option --with-db="Specify the Berkeley DB path to build accounting support". Which path is this in debian? |
| 20:11.43 | simonrvn | try searching for it |
| 20:11.49 | wols | wher all the other include files are |
| 20:11.54 | wols | !tell metalhen about search |
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| 20:14.15 | adamS | how to restart inetd? |
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| 20:14.30 | chops | adamS: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 20:14.39 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.20 | abrotman | kill -1 `pidof inetd` |
| 20:15.27 | RBRIDDICK | thx - i will run memtest... - bye |
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| 20:15.57 | Starman | metalhen.............try this link........> http://www.aboutdebian.com/ |
| 20:16.32 | simonrvn | wth |
| 20:16.42 | slidesinger | If I want to generate a list of the package names that are installed, but not the version information, which tool should I use? |
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| 20:16.53 | loslalfos | abrotman: SIGHUP was the first think that came to my mind as well ;) |
| 20:17.05 | loslalfos | *thing |
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| 20:19.22 | Starman | metalhen...........this link might work better........> http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/howto.html |
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| 20:20.23 | simonrvn | Starman: to do what exactly? |
| 20:20.25 | metalhen | I know about searching. I only don't know what's meant by that path. |
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| 20:20.41 | zippz0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.47 | simonrvn | metalhen: hint, search for bdb dev |
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| 20:21.00 | Nyle | simonrvn: what did I find? |
| 20:21.03 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 20:21.03 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 20:21.48 | zippz0r | But you see, i dont have wired connection |
| 20:21.56 | maplebed | Hi everyone - I'm trying to install two copies of a package (mysql) simultaneously, using --program-suffix to change the binary name from mysqld to mysqld-patched. I'm having quite a bit of trouble finding all the places to change names - can anyone point me towards a good resource on relocating a package / renaming a package for multiple installations? |
| 20:22.02 | wols | you are on this channel. you have internetm, period |
| 20:22.12 | zippz0r | wols, using windows, yes. |
| 20:22.33 | wols | and windows cannot download files all of a sudden? must be a worse OS than I thought |
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| 20:22.52 | Nyle | holy shit |
| 20:22.57 | Nyle | windows can download files? |
| 20:23.03 | Nyle | damn, I had no idea. |
| 20:23.11 | zippz0r | lol, this is turning out g-d on my ass i see |
| 20:23.13 | wols | Nyle: it's cutting edge man |
| 20:23.30 | Nyle | wols: I been cut too many times by that fucking edge |
| 20:23.37 | wols | zippz0r: you can download the packages right now and copy them over and install |
| 20:23.38 | xingu | Nyle: ever since windows for whorehouses, back in the 80's |
| 20:23.48 | Nyle | haha |
| 20:23.54 | wols | xingu: bdsm whorehouse? |
| 20:24.04 | Nyle | I have xp pro x64 inside a vmware right now |
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| 20:24.07 | wols | or are there any others with cutting edges? |
| 20:24.07 | chops | maplebed: Why do you want two copies of mysql? |
| 20:24.09 | Nyle | I have no idea why |
| 20:24.12 | zippz0r | wols, if i knew that / where i wouldnt actually be here, now would i?;) |
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| 20:24.22 | xingu | Nyle: took a while before it had an IP stack worth a damn though |
| 20:24.28 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:24.29 | maplebed | chops: I need to run a patched version for some testing. |
| 20:24.37 | wols | zippz0r: you coul be here since you didn't know what to get, which I long ago told you |
| 20:24.39 | xingu | Nyle: like, till say 2007, when the japanese finally gave up in disgust and rewrote it for them |
| 20:24.48 | chops | maplebed: Run it in a chroot maybe? |
| 20:24.50 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:24.55 | zippz0r | i dled the ipw3945d, but for some strange reason it wouldnt recogninze my libc6 |
| 20:24.56 | chops | maplebed: You'll have to change the port that it runs on, of course... |
| 20:24.59 | Nyle | them japs are freakin smart |
| 20:25.20 | maplebed | and if the testing goes well, I want both versions installed (they have certain ... incompatible properties.) |
| 20:25.25 | wols | chops: should a manual mysql just reside in /usr/local? |
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| 20:25.53 | maplebed | Because of the way my environment is set up, installing it somewhere else (/opt, /usr/local/, etc.) isn't an option. |
| 20:25.57 | Nyle | well |
| 20:25.59 | xingu | oh, a year out, 2006 |
| 20:26.01 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, I need to access via vnc to my work computer from my house, but my work computer is behind a firewall, how can I do that? |
| 20:26.01 | wols | Nyle: I might want to try virtualbox. they have hardware 3D acceleration isnde the VM |
| 20:26.04 | maplebed | it's got to be in the same /usr/sbin/ place. |
| 20:26.05 | maplebed | :( |
| 20:26.12 | chops | wols: It sounds like he wants a modified Debian package... if the patched one is going to be a vanilla upstream one, then putting it in /usr/local sounds decent to me |
| 20:26.13 | wols | gonzaloaf_work: ssh portforwarding |
| 20:26.16 | Nyle | wols: vmware does too |
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| 20:26.26 | Nyle | wols: i/o virtualization |
| 20:26.27 | maplebed | so /usr/sbin/mysqld and /usr/sbin/mysqld-patched is what I'm looking for. |
| 20:26.32 | wols | Nyle: not officially yet afaik |
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| 20:26.50 | Nyle | wols: its in the works |
| 20:26.59 | gonzaloaf_work | wols, I cannot log directly to my work computer from my house, I have to log first to another computer here in my work, how would be the process? |
| 20:27.01 | wols | yes, but vbox has a relase |
| 20:27.04 | chops | maplebed: That's going to be a bit difficult... you're pretty unlikely to run across a generic guide to how to do it for any particular package (particularly one as complex as mysql) |
| 20:27.13 | simonrvn | maplebed: start with the source package, and tweak the scripts |
| 20:27.14 | Nyle | well |
| 20:27.19 | Tramp | gonzaloaf: verify that the ssh-gateway you mentioned earlier allows portforwarding from remote |
| 20:27.35 | Nyle | he can simly download the source, do what he wants to it, recompile it, build the damn package, install and test |
| 20:27.45 | Nyle | if it don't work, uninstall and install the vanilla packages |
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| 20:27.55 | simonrvn | maplebed: there's scripts debian uses to manage stop/start of mysqld* |
| 20:27.56 | maplebed | so far I've touched debian/rules, debian/mysql-server-5.0.files, debian/control (I only need the server to be different, not the client) |
| 20:27.56 | Nyle | you shouldn't be trying to do what you're doing |
| 20:28.25 | wols | Nyle: if we said this to everyone coming in here wjo deserves it nothing would be done |
| 20:28.30 | Starman | could be a disgruntle employee? |
| 20:28.31 | wols | let him try, let him despair |
| 20:28.38 | simonrvn | i know why he wants to do this |
| 20:28.43 | error0237 | how to cut a line ?? , withe these i can cut a column number 9 for example "cat 1.txt | awk '{print $9}' " now how to cut a line using awk ??? |
| 20:28.45 | Tramp | gonzaloaf_work: then you login to this gateway with the -L aport:vnchost:bport option and point your vncviewer to localhost:aport |
| 20:28.46 | Nyle | ah |
| 20:28.47 | Nyle | great |
| 20:28.48 | maplebed | but I'm still having trouble... I'm sure with more poking I'll eventually find all the places to touch, but I was hoping there might be something beyond the new maintainers guide - more geared towards relocation... |
| 20:28.51 | Nyle | mr rvn knows |
| 20:28.51 | Starman | I wouldn't care if he works for the IRS |
| 20:29.11 | chops | maplebed: One decent approach might be to hack up the package so that _only_ what really need to be different is different; i.e. get a package that only installs the binary with the modified code, and use all the support elements from the main mysql package (with different files via command-line options and such) |
| 20:29.11 | Nyle | maplebed: there isn't. |
| 20:29.42 | Nyle | chops: come again... |
| 20:29.52 | simonrvn | maplebed: not really, nmguide won't have specifics. stuff like you're doing is more advanced |
| 20:30.04 | chops | Nyle: ? |
| 20:30.15 | simonrvn | maplebed: all the relevant files will be in debian/ |
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| 20:30.34 | Nyle | this budd knocked me out |
| 20:30.40 | Nyle | damn |
| 20:30.56 | maplebed | chops: I think that's part of what I'm trying to do - by modifying debian/control to noly build the mysql-server package and not all the rest of the stuff... or do you mean more drastically, modify it to *only* install mysqld-patched? |
| 20:30.58 | simonrvn | like debian/rules ;) |
| 20:30.59 | maplebed | (the binary) |
| 20:31.12 | gonzaloaf_work | Tramp, ho do I verify if the ssh-gateway you mentioned earlier allows portforwarding from remote ? |
| 20:31.40 | error0237 | how to cut a line ?? , withe these i can cut a column number 9 for example "cat 1.txt | awk '{print $9}' " now how to cut a line using awk ??? |
| 20:31.54 | chops | maplebed: Modify it only to install the modified binary (and libraries, and whatever else you need) in a different place, and use all the support files (and client) from the main mysql package. That'll be 1000% easier than trying to find _everywhere_ in the support files that refers to 'mysql' or '/var/lib/mysql' or whatever. |
| 20:32.04 | Tramp | gonzaloaf_work: man sshd_config, option AllowTcpForwarding |
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| 20:32.14 | chops | maplebed: Then you just need to tell it to use a different binary and different DB directory |
| 20:32.25 | simonrvn | maplebed, chops: good idea |
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| 20:32.39 | gonzaloaf_work | Tramp, housePC <-> gateway <-> workPC ? |
| 20:33.07 | Tramp | gonzaloaf_work: ?? |
| 20:33.29 | loslalfos | error0237: man cut |
| 20:33.32 | maplebed | chops: will I find the spot that tells it what to bundle up in the package in debian/rules, debian/<pkg>.files, or both? |
| 20:33.45 | gonzaloaf_work | Tramp, this is the computer you call gateway right? the one that is in the middle of anothers |
| 20:34.04 | chops | maplebed: You should look over almost everything in debian/ and see what you need to change |
| 20:34.15 | chops | maplebed: debian/rules is the main one... |
| 20:34.35 | simonrvn | indeed, seconded |
| 20:35.02 | Tramp | gonzaloaf_work: ah. Yes. Please also check with your companies network responsible, that what yo do adheres to the policy. But from how you describe your access, I assume this is approved |
| 20:35.12 | maplebed | chops: simonrvn Nyle thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 20:35.37 | chops | maplebed: np |
| 20:35.40 | chops | maplebed: Good luck |
| 20:35.42 | error0237 | loslalfos, if you can answer my qustion then answer i tray to under stand the man of awk before i ask but i dont if you can help me withe awk you welcome if not leave me alone |
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| 20:36.04 | gonzaloaf_work | Tramp, yes, I just want to have access to vnc to my work computer in order to work from home |
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| 20:36.43 | simonrvn | maplebed: enjoy ;) |
| 20:36.43 | simonrvn | gar, irssi bugging out on me again |
| 20:37.19 | simonrvn | i swear the disk i/o is what kills this thing |
| 20:37.30 | loslalfos | error0237: your question was "how to cut a line ??". but i'll leave you alone now... |
| 20:38.24 | maplebed | error0237: I think you will probably get close to what you want with a combination of grep, cut, head, tail, and awk, rather than trying to use awk alone. (I know, heresy, but sometimes easier) |
| 20:39.06 | Nihilist_Nerd1 | I've just got Debian lenny and I ran alsaconf, without ealising that it was unnecessary. I have no sound and I get this message when entering KDE: http://pastebin.com/d436419e3 When Itry to launch sound applications, they will often quit. The ICeweasel Flash Plugin doesn't quit. Nor does Amarok, though it does as soon as I try to play something. Here is a message from Volume Control: No volume control Gstreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 20:39.12 | Nihilist_Nerd1 | Please can someone help? |
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| 20:39.45 | Starman | http://www.debianadmin.com/remotely-manage-machines-using-vnc.html |
| 20:40.09 | error0237 | maplebed,thank you |
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| 20:41.33 | megasquid | how do i add something permanently to the path for all users on debian? |
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| 20:44.45 | xope1 | HELP: How do I set the default umask for non-interactive logins? (e.g. sftp or scp)? |
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| 20:45.08 | chops | megasquid: Edit /etc/environemnt |
| 20:45.11 | chops | megasquid: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:45.15 | Bushmills | megasquid: /etc/profile or /etc/environment |
| 20:45.31 | megasquid | chops i just want to add another bin directory to the path |
| 20:45.43 | xope1 | megasquid: first of all, thanks. i've edited /etc/profile, /etc/login.defs and am able to get umask to 002 |
| 20:46.03 | xope1 | megasquid: however, when a user is scp/sftp'ing a file, it comes through as 022 |
| 20:46.11 | Tramp | or /etc/security/pam_env.conf |
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| 20:46.38 | chops | megasquid: What bin directory? What's there? |
| 20:46.56 | megasquid | chops executable for mongrel |
| 20:47.24 | chops | megasquid: Why not just install the Debian package? |
| 20:47.29 | xope1 | Tramp: okay, i'm trying to figure out how to update pam_env.conf |
| 20:47.44 | xope1 | Tramp: i'm assuming i don't just stick umask 002 in there (do i?) |
| 20:47.57 | Tramp | xope1: sorry, this was not for you - but could help nevertheless ... |
| 20:48.05 | xope1 | Tramp: ha |
| 20:48.07 | megasquid | chops it is a debain package, rubygems, but that bin directory needs to be added |
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| 20:48.51 | chops | megasquid: What? Installing a Debian package should never require modifying the path... did you install mongrel from the Debian package, or manually? Bear in mind I'm not familiar with ruby or mongrel. |
| 20:49.05 | Tramp | xope1: it was more a sarcastic remark, that it is impossible to just "add a directory to the path" which works in all cases |
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| 20:50.07 | xope1 | Tramp: megasquid: i've tried editing /etc/environment as well to no avail |
| 20:50.13 | xope1 | any other recommendations |
| 20:50.43 | megasquid | chops, rubygems is a debian package and that binary works fine, but rubygems has its own bin directory each gem is its on binary |
| 20:51.01 | megasquid | so the rubygems bin directory has to be added to the path |
| 20:51.18 | chops | megasquid: The Debian rubygems package installs everything in /usr/bin (in etch) |
| 20:51.52 | chops | megasquid: As every Debian package does for its user-intended binaries... |
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| 20:53.12 | craigevil | gems install foo is all it takes to install a gem once you have rubygems installed |
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| 20:55.52 | reisio | 'fraid I didn't keep track — could someone tell me what happened with Ion3? |
| 20:56.42 | seeds | got a toshiba satellite notebook. and my 8187B realtek card won't work in linux |
| 20:56.57 | craigevil | reisio: its in sid in non-free not sure about etch/lenny |
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| 20:57.07 | reisio | craigevil: thanks mucho |
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| 20:57.15 | bush|werk | seeds: cool |
| 20:57.18 | reisio | craigevil: oh, as 'ion3' or was it renamed? |
| 20:57.22 | seeds | need that to work. tried everything i read on the net to no avail |
| 20:57.22 | bush|werk | seeds: are you asking for help? |
| 20:57.23 | penguin3800 | i forgot that kernel 2.6.18 dosent have my sound driver |
| 20:57.27 | reisio | I guess it wasn't renamed if it's in non-free :p |
| 20:57.30 | reisio | nm thanks |
| 20:57.33 | craigevil | as ion3 |
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| 20:57.38 | penguin3800 | am i gonna have to compile a kernel? |
| 20:58.39 | penguin3800 | nm |
| 20:58.49 | reisio | penguin3800: you upgraded your kernel and deleted the old one? :p |
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| 20:59.08 | penguin3800 | no Installed debian and my sound dosent work |
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| 20:59.56 | mbroeker | penguin3800, lspci shows your soundcard right now? |
| 21:00.07 | penguin3800 | yeah |
| 21:00.08 | Brukerish | To share printers between linux computers I should use samba? |
| 21:00.18 | penguin3800 | 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 21:00.24 | zinx | Brukerish: CUPS probably |
| 21:00.39 | penguin3800 | but i get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 21:00.40 | zinx | Brukerish: turn on broadcasting / discovery, and do /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 21:00.55 | Brukerish | zinx: Do I have to activate it, can I share an printer to windows computers? |
| 21:01.04 | zinx | Brukerish: you need samba to share with a windows computer |
| 21:01.13 | Brukerish | Ok |
| 21:01.21 | zinx | Brukerish: and you do have to activate the CUPS stuff for sharing between linux computers |
| 21:01.25 | vinc456 | i'm running on debian stable but would like to work through the latest version of the emacs-lisp tutorial. Is there any way to update the aptitude package with the latest documentation? |
| 21:01.33 | cahoot | xp and w2k can speak to cups |
| 21:01.34 | Brukerish | But can I acces the cups web gui from an browser on another computer? |
| 21:01.35 | mbroeker | penguin3800, afaik is it supported. does /proc/asound/*** exits? |
| 21:01.45 | zinx | Brukerish: on both the server (machine with the printer) and the clients (machine that will use the printer) |
| 21:01.59 | zinx | Brukerish: you run CUPS on both, and enable broadcasting on the server and discovery on the clients |
| 21:02.01 | penguin3800 | lsec: /proc/asound/: No such file or directory |
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| 21:02.31 | \amethyst | vinc456: you *should* be safe to install the emacs-lisp-intro package from sid, since the dependencies are minimal |
| 21:02.32 | Brukerish | zinx: Can I acces the web gui on my linux computer from a webgui from another computer? |
| 21:02.32 | mbroeker | penguin3800, ok: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 21:02.48 | zinx | Brukerish: in http://localhost:631/admin, it's "Share published printers connected to this system" on the server, and "Show printers shared by other systems" on the clients |
| 21:02.48 | penguin3800 | it says none loaded |
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| 21:02.59 | Edward123 | hey |
| 21:03.03 | reisio | hay |
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| 21:03.09 | mbroeker | penguin3800, asoundconf |
| 21:03.11 | Edward123 | is there some equivilent with apt to yum provides? |
| 21:03.11 | vinc456 | \amethyst: thanks |
| 21:03.15 | zinx | Brukerish: you can access the printer jobs and such for shared printers on localhost:631, if that's the gui you're talking about |
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| 21:03.38 | zinx | Brukerish: you can't access a remote computer's config unless you change an option, though |
| 21:03.47 | dryrot | Edward123: apt-cache search |
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| 21:04.09 | Edward123 | hrm well i tried apt-cache search dig but it returned hundreds of packages |
| 21:04.12 | penguin3800 | wat do in asound conf |
| 21:04.26 | Brukerish | zinx: How to remotley control it? I have ssh, I dont want to get outof the cair! |
| 21:04.32 | mbroeker | penguin3800, choose your card, safe the configuration and restart alsa-utils. |
| 21:04.41 | mbroeker | well save it. |
| 21:04.55 | zinx | Brukerish: you can use port forwarding with ssh, or you can enable the web interface for other computers |
| 21:04.57 | Edward123 | and none of them had 'dig' in the name when i grepped it |
| 21:04.58 | ShiftOnYou | is there any good tutorial 4 truecrypt 5.0 on debian? |
| 21:05.13 | Brukerish | zinx: How? |
| 21:05.17 | penguin3800 | it dosent show anything |
| 21:05.24 | Brukerish | what file to edit? |
| 21:05.49 | zinx | Brukerish: you'll have to add 'Listen 192.168.0.1:631' to the config file or something, where 192.168.0.1 is the IP of the interface you want to listen on |
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| 21:06.02 | Edward123 | am i doing something wrong here? |
| 21:06.05 | Brukerish | zinx: Where do I find the config gile? |
| 21:06.16 | vinc456 | \amethyst: unfortunately both packages were last updated in 2001 |
| 21:06.17 | polishkoop | whats a cood console cd player that doesn't use cd playback |
| 21:06.26 | vinc456 | i will just read from the browser |
| 21:06.29 | Brukerish | cupsd.conf? |
| 21:06.37 | GuySoft | hey all, does anyone know what do i need to get php5-xmlrpc working on debian? just installing the package doesn't help.. the class isn't recognize |
| 21:06.47 | zinx | Brukerish: or with ssh, it's something like ssh remote_host -L 6631:localhost:631, then http://localhost:6631/ |
| 21:06.55 | zinx | Brukerish: yeah |
| 21:07.19 | zinx | Brukerish: you'll have to restart the daemon with /etc/init.d/cupsys restart if you add a Listen option to the config file |
| 21:07.40 | ShiftOnYou | is there any good tutorial 4 truecrypt 5.0 on debian? |
| 21:08.01 | Brukerish | I get 403 Forbidden |
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| 21:08.26 | \amethyst | Edward123: that returns every package that has 'dig' in its description |
| 21:08.31 | dkr | ShiftOnYou: why use truecrypt? you can already install debian on ecrypted fs :) |
| 21:08.33 | zinx | Brukerish: you probably need to add Allow lines with the local network too |
| 21:08.37 | zinx | Brukerish: to all the Locations |
| 21:08.53 | ShiftOnYou | because i want to try the new version |
| 21:08.58 | zinx | Brukerish: not sure about the exact syntax; refer to the manual for that |
| 21:08.59 | \amethyst | Edward123: I did apt-file search /usr/bin/dig which produced among its results: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig |
| 21:09.02 | zinx | Brukerish: or google :/ |
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| 21:09.38 | octox2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.41 | Edward123 | hrm apt-file? i don't have that |
| 21:09.42 | penguin3800 | is there a later kernel already compiled for debian? |
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| 21:09.57 | Brukerish | zinx: I boicot google because they arent open-source, and I have an moraly problem with manuals |
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| 21:10.09 | Edward123 | i've got a setup here that was just the net-cd - is there something i can run to get it up to scratch with all the basic tools that are normally included? |
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| 21:10.23 | Edward123 | also \amethyst, isn't that only going to work if you've already got dig installed? |
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| 21:11.15 | \amethyst | Edward123: apt-file searches the available package list, not the installed packages |
| 21:11.27 | LinuxHacking | hellp |
| 21:11.35 | LinuxHacking | :)) |
| 21:11.40 | Edward123 | ah ok. and should apt-file come automatically because i don't have it? |
| 21:11.52 | LinuxHacking | romanian ?? |
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| 21:12.13 | \amethyst | Edward123: no, it's not in the default install |
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| 21:12.24 | polishkoop | I'm using kernel 2.6.18.686 on etch, with alsa configured and able to play audio files, but I can't play music from a cd. BTW I only have a console set up. What could be the problem? |
| 21:12.24 | Edward123 | oh ok cool |
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| 21:12.44 | loslalfos | Brukerish: I hope you boycot Google because "they aren't" free software... ;) |
| 21:13.17 | Edward123 | also, not really debian-specific but is there any real speed benefit to be had from a local caching nameserver and web proxy if you're just a home user? |
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| 21:13.51 | \amethyst | Brukerish: so if you have a moral problem with manuals, it's it immoral to ask us to read the manual for you? |
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| 21:14.02 | Brukerish | loslalfos: I have forgotten what I was trying to do now, something with cups. |
| 21:14.31 | Brukerish | \amethyst: If an bad thing have happened once why not use it to your own advantage? |
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| 21:15.04 | \amethyst | Brukerish: Ah, like Nazi medical experiments |
| 21:15.29 | \amethyst | </godwinned> |
| 21:15.33 | Edward123 | heh |
| 21:15.41 | Edward123 | nerds! |
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| 21:18.07 | penguin3800 | is there a kernel like 2.6.22 in backports? |
| 21:18.19 | simonrvn | loslalfos: you'd be surprised |
| 21:18.38 | \amethyst | penguin3800: there is |
| 21:18.43 | loslalfos | simonrvn: would I? |
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| 21:18.51 | penguin3800 | already compiled? |
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| 21:19.10 | \amethyst | penguin3800: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 21:19.35 | simonrvn | loslalfos: seeing from your comment, yes |
| 21:20.12 | simonrvn | man, they should update their spam Subject:s, "new year"? sheesh |
| 21:20.18 | loslalfos | simonrvn: please enlighten me. I haven't the slightest idea what you aere referring to. ;) |
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| 21:20.25 | loslalfos | were |
| 21:20.31 | simonrvn | makes them look even lamer than they are |
| 21:20.55 | simonrvn | loslalfos: google being/not being "open source" |
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| 21:20.59 | sepski | vservers vs xen, every vm is going to run the same kernel anyway an they will all be debian etch or lenny. would xen give me something vserver could not ? |
| 21:21.02 | \amethyst | penguin3800: and it does appear to have the CVE-2008-0600 fix |
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| 21:21.34 | simonrvn | a lot of the stuff they run on (i'd guesstimate 80% or more) is FOSS |
| 21:22.14 | loslalfos | simonrvn: ah! i was just repeating what he/she said and tried to slip in the nuance of open source vs. free software. ;) |
| 21:22.42 | simonrvn | loslalfos: i figured as much, but after i hit enter hehe |
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| 21:23.28 | simonrvn | speaking of foss, i gotta go figure out what's wrong with my mediawiki installs... |
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| 21:25.56 | dos000 | anyone can tell me how i can pin a package that i compiled from src (into a deb) so it does not get removed ? |
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| 21:26.45 | Brukerish | Is there any statistics of how much each package is used on debian? |
| 21:26.55 | dkr | dos000: man apt_preferences |
| 21:27.07 | dkr | !popcon |
| 21:27.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 21:28.51 | Brukerish | dkr: On the local system! |
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| 21:29.08 | dkr | !info psacct |
| 21:29.15 | chops | dos000: Even simpler |
| 21:29.20 | chops | !tell dos000 about hold |
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| 21:30.03 | dos000 | i keep getting "The package linux-image-2.6.22.16-vs2.2.0.6+vserver needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." |
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| 21:30.23 | dos000 | this is a kernel i compiled from src |
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| 21:31.10 | dkr | Brukerish: sorry, acct, not psacct |
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| 21:33.27 | polishkoop | I have debian etch with the latest kernel with alsa properly configured. I can rip tracks from a cd and play them, but I'm unable to hear music when im trying to play music from the cd directly. Can anyone give me some tips? |
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| 21:34.20 | abrotman | polishkoop: with which player? some need the CDrom cable |
| 21:34.36 | polishkoop | abrotman: ive tried dcd, cdcd, cplay, and a couple others |
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| 21:34.43 | streuner | polishkoop: there is no driver for |
| 21:35.05 | streuner | so respect the advice of abrotman (cable) |
| 21:35.09 | dos000 | chops .. what is hold .. . i di not get anything from the bot |
| 21:35.17 | chops | !hold |
| 21:35.18 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 21:35.33 | polishkoop | streuner: no driver for what? |
| 21:35.39 | chops | dos000: Why does it want to reinstall it? |
| 21:35.46 | dos000 | no idea ! |
| 21:35.57 | streuner | polishkoop: driver to play the cd |
| 21:36.01 | mbroeker | polishkoop, check alsamixer, CD Control... |
| 21:36.30 | ktwilight___ | is hold hte same as pinning in preferences? |
| 21:36.55 | dos000 | in pinning what do you put as pkg name ? |
| 21:37.00 | abrotman | polishkoop: aplay ? |
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| 21:37.52 | ktwilight___ | CharminTehM00se_, you sure are a confused moose :) |
| 21:38.00 | ktwilight___ | your clone is back! |
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| 21:38.36 | Edward123 | also there's something kind of odd going on, i tseems like apt can only find it's my chosen mirror if i ping it first? |
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| 21:39.11 | penguin3800 | do i need k8 or k7 for a sempron 3800+ |
| 21:39.37 | polishkoop | abrotman: what is aplay? I don't see it in apt |
| 21:39.38 | abrotman | -amd64 |
| 21:39.44 | abrotman | !find aplay etch |
| 21:40.03 | penguin3800 | but wouldnt that make my system 64bit then? |
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| 21:40.14 | abrotman | penguin3800: just the kernel |
| 21:40.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aplay' (7 of 41): (/usr/bin/ecaplay) in sound/ecasound ;; (/usr/bin/cacaplay) in utils/caca-utils ;; (/usr/bin/paplay) in sound/pulseaudio-utils ;; (/usr/bin/camediaplay) in graphics/camediaplay ;; (/usr/bin/alsaplayer) in sound/alsaplayer-common ;; (/usr/bin/{aplay|aplaymidi}) in sound/alsa-utils ;; (/usr/lib/kvirc/3.2/modules/libkvimediaplayer.so) in net/kvirc. |
| 21:40.24 | penguin3800 | but everything will work fine? |
| 21:40.30 | abrotman | polishkoop: in alsa-utils |
| 21:40.44 | Edward123 | anybody ever heard of something like that? |
| 21:40.56 | polishkoop | abrortman: i have alsa-utils installed but when i type aplay nothing pops up |
| 21:41.22 | polishkoop | abrotman: actually nevermint, it still doesnt play the cd with aplay. |
| 21:41.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:41.36 | penguin3800 | btb |
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| 21:41.43 | polishkoop | I just get a read error |
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| 21:43.07 | loslalfos | Edward123 ARP cache problems of some sort? |
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| 21:44.05 | Edward123 | hmm shouldn't have thought so |
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| 21:54.02 | drwahl | in bash, if i do something like: echo "1" && echo "2", will 'echo "2"' be executed if 'echo "1"' failed? |
| 21:54.24 | amphi | drwahl: no |
| 21:54.27 | dkr | no.but wouldn't thise be very easy to test yourself? |
| 21:54.44 | drwahl | well, i wasnt sure... |
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| 21:54.53 | chops | dkr: Easy to test if you can make 'echo "1"' fail :-) |
| 21:54.54 | drwahl | i guess now that i put more than 2 sec. of though int oit |
| 21:54.55 | drwahl | :) |
| 21:55.12 | polishkoop | abrotman: any other ideas for my problem? |
| 21:55.21 | drwahl | thanks all |
| 21:55.22 | dkr | false && echo 2 |
| 21:55.24 | dkr | ;) |
| 21:55.29 | amphi | heh |
| 21:55.33 | abrotman | polishkoop: get the CD cable |
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| 21:56.03 | polishkoop | abrotman: i don't have one. and you're saying thats the only way I'll be able to play a cd from console? |
| 21:56.08 | Brukerish | abrotman: I need to know if my printer port works, and what adress it is at, the computer has 4 paralel ports. |
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| 21:57.51 | Edward123 | hrm this has been kept back out of my upgrades: linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:59.18 | abrotman | Brukerish: dmesg maybe |
| 21:59.20 | chops | Edward123: dist-upgrade, not upgrade |
| 21:59.27 | dryrot | what is the difference between 'apt-get upgrade' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? |
| 21:59.31 | abrotman | polishkoop: there are some players that play via data cable .. but DO NOT mount the audio CD |
| 21:59.35 | abrotman | dryrot: man apt-get |
| 21:59.37 | Edward123 | hrm right-o |
| 21:59.57 | polishkoop | abrotman: do you know any off the top of your head that play via data cable and are no the console? |
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| 22:00.48 | Brukerish | How can I see all the ports on my computer? |
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| 22:01.15 | abrotman | polishkoop: i thought aplay did |
| 22:01.22 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 22:01.22 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 22:01.26 | dkr | Brukerish: netstat -an |
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| 22:01.50 | Brukerish | dkr: Not virtual ports |
| 22:02.16 | dkr | Brukerish: what other kind are there. you mean ports for boats? |
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| 22:02.47 | Brukerish | dkr: Usb port, screen port, aand printer ports |
| 22:03.01 | dkr | Brukerish: those are called devices |
| 22:03.21 | polishkoop | abrotman: when i do aplay /media/cdrom0 I get aplay:playback:2021: read error |
| 22:03.23 | foobar8 | dkr: cat /proc/ioports ;-) |
| 22:03.29 | dkr | Brukerish: hwinfo --short is nice for a summary of hardware |
| 22:03.45 | polishkoop | I've been searching for this, and it still comes back to the fact that I don't have that cable hooked up( cd rom doesnt suppport the cable either i just looked) |
| 22:03.54 | abrotman | polishkoop: play the device .. |
| 22:03.58 | abrotman | polishkoop: do NOT mount the CD |
| 22:04.15 | polishkoop | abrotman:I did, i tried aplay /dev/hda first but i still get a simialr error |
| 22:04.28 | abrotman | is the CD mounted? |
| 22:04.37 | polishkoop | abrotman: no, i dont even knwo how to mount an audio cd |
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| 22:04.48 | penguin3800 | how do i connect to the repos? |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | apparently you do if you're using /media/cdrom0 |
| 22:05.05 | dkr | foobar8: I stand corrected. :) |
| 22:05.09 | wols | !tell penguin3800 about apt howto |
| 22:05.29 | foobar8 | dkr: you maybe want netstat -utln (for network ports?) |
| 22:05.36 | polishkoop | abrotman: I havent even typed mount since i installed linux on this machine. that was already there, well would fstab have mounted it on bootup? |
| 22:06.14 | abrotman | polishkoop: type 'mount' .. do you see your CD drive listed ? |
| 22:06.31 | polishkoop | abrotman: no |
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| 22:07.12 | fedya | what package is killall part of? |
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| 22:08.52 | Brukerish | Can I write hwinfo to a file? |
| 22:09.05 | foobar8 | fedya: dpkg -S $(which killall) |
| 22:09.05 | dkr | fedya: psmisc |
| 22:09.19 | dkr | Brukerish: command >file |
| 22:09.22 | Zeit|awy | with > file should work |
| 22:09.56 | abrotman | polishkoop: tried another CD? |
| 22:10.03 | dkr | ocmmand | less if you just need to page the output to view it moreeqsily. I recommend hwinfo --short to avoid the spam :) |
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| 22:11.02 | Brukerish | dkr: Please exact syntax, my keyaboard is busted. |
| 22:11.11 | abrotman | that is the syntax |
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| 22:12.17 | dkr | Brukerish: hwinfo --short|less |
| 22:12.24 | polishkoop | abrotman: a new cd didnt work either |
| 22:12.29 | Brukerish | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.35 | abrotman | polishkoop: does your CD drive work at all ? |
| 22:12.55 | polishkoop | abrotman: yes im able to rip the tracks and play them. i just cant play it straight thru a cd |
| 22:14.14 | Brukerish | How would I knwo witch port the printer is connected to? |
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| 22:15.24 | Brukerish | I got no idea how to install because of all this stupid ports... |
| 22:16.32 | abrotman | polishkoop: any odd errors in your logs ? |
| 22:18.50 | penguin3800 | how do i get to etchs repo server? |
| 22:18.51 | BlackMagik | simple question, how do i change the time on my server from the console? |
| 22:19.11 | SPF | date --help |
| 22:19.27 | SPF | e.g. date --set 1200 |
| 22:19.29 | polishkoop | abrotman: i can't find the right log |
| 22:19.38 | abrotman | polishkoop: syslog or messages .. or dmesg |
| 22:19.47 | abrotman | !tell BlackMagik about set the time |
| 22:19.55 | abrotman | !tell penguin3800 about mirrors |
| 22:19.58 | abrotman | !tell penguin3800 about sources.list |
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| 22:23.13 | Gutek | hello |
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| 22:23.58 | polishkoop | abrotman: i cant find anything in the logs, but when i try to play the cd i get a bunch of text with error messages in them. |
| 22:24.08 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 22:24.09 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 22:24.10 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 22:25.18 | polishkoop | abrotman: I'm on console only. that could be difficult |
| 22:26.00 | Brukerish | polishkoop: Text based browser! |
| 22:26.13 | polishkoop | i hate lynx, but alright |
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| 22:26.18 | BlackMagik | abrotman: for some reason date --set doesn't set the date for me |
| 22:26.41 | BlackMagik | abrotman: i'm doing it as root, and it doesn't keep the date that i provide, |
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| 22:28.16 | Brukerish | abrotman: Can I give you ssh to all my boxes and you'll make them better? |
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| 22:28.37 | Brukerish | Make them do what they should? |
| 22:29.44 | Brukerish | !ping |
| 22:29.44 | dpkg | pong |
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| 22:30.31 | azeem | Brukerish: don't offer SSH access to people you don't know |
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| 22:30.45 | Brukerish | azeem: He is at irc alot |
| 22:30.52 | azeem | so you know him? |
| 22:31.02 | polishkoop | abrotman: okay i can't find the log to send you, nothing seems to be changing in any of them. is there a way to pipe my output from the command to a file. 2> and > didnt work correctly |
| 22:31.04 | Brukerish | azeem: No But he know linux. |
| 22:31.04 | azeem | as in, personally |
| 22:31.28 | azeem | Brukerish: maybe he also knows how to buy a Mercedes with your credit card data, once you give him an account |
| 22:31.33 | Brukerish | Like what is the worst thing someone could do to my 20$ computer? |
| 22:31.36 | Eulex | Brukerish, in general, if you want people to fix problems _for_ you, you will have to pay them |
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| 22:32.33 | Brukerish | Can I use testing, would it be horribole? |
| 22:33.05 | azeem | it's non horrible |
| 22:33.22 | dkr | better for a newbie to use stable, though |
| 22:33.24 | loslalfos | Brukerish: you probably want to give Ubuntu a try... |
| 22:33.47 | Brukerish | azeem: Where would you place windowsxp? Unstable, stable or testing? |
| 22:34.05 | azeem | Brukerish: I never used XP so how should I know? |
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| 22:34.43 | abrotman | Brukerish: you are having problems with etch .. please don't use lenny |
| 22:34.44 | Brukerish | azeem: If you dont mind me asking how old are you? Linux all your life? Oo |
| 22:34.54 | azeem | Brukerish: I mind |
| 22:34.58 | Brukerish | abrotman: Shoul I us sid? |
| 22:35.01 | azeem | Brukerish: please ask sensible Debian questions in here |
| 22:35.03 | abrotman | jesus christ no |
| 22:35.04 | Brukerish | azeem: Ok |
| 22:35.44 | Brukerish | abrotman: But in debian I have stupid konqueror, I want to use dolphin because it is faster, but cannot figure out how. |
| 22:35.51 | leonardo_ | hi all. i use wireless but all time computer start i need to add password to connect on wireless, i don't see a way to save password. I use gnome |
| 22:36.08 | leonardo_ | any idea how to connect with add password all time |
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| 22:36.26 | abrotman | Brukerish: i don't know what dolphin is .. and i doubt sid would help |
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| 22:36.48 | Brukerish | abrotman: It is a file thing, like konqueror. |
| 22:37.14 | Eulex | Brukerish, install it, start it? |
| 22:37.16 | craigevil | dolphin is the kde4 file manager , try using krusader if you dont like konq |
| 22:37.25 | abrotman | sid doesn't have kde4 anyways .. |
| 22:37.36 | Eulex | eh, it's in etch at least |
| 22:37.36 | dkr | dolphin is in etch, though |
| 22:37.40 | craigevil | d3lphin might be in etch try searching for it |
| 22:37.48 | Brukerish | craigevil: I have installed it, I just want it to replace konqueror |
| 22:38.39 | Brukerish | So that when I click an folder it opens doplphin instead of konqueror! |
| 22:39.03 | Eulex | Brukerish, you could try #kde |
| 22:39.25 | Brukerish | Eulex: I cant change for kde, gnome, and xfce4? |
| 22:39.33 | Eulex | what? |
| 22:40.00 | Eulex | no, I'd believe you'd have to change separate settings in them |
| 22:40.06 | Brukerish | Eulex: Make dolphine manage files for any one of them. Not just kde, it is the fastes one I know.' |
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| 22:40.30 | Brukerish | So it is one setting to fix it for al four? |
| 22:40.49 | Eulex | no |
| 22:40.58 | Eulex | very very likely there's one settings in each |
| 22:41.21 | craigevil | default filemanager depends on the desktop, the settings will be different in each |
| 22:41.38 | Brukerish | Doh |
| 22:41.40 | Corty | Is there any way i can force the system tray to always show up two lines using kde? |
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| 22:42.21 | craigevil | today isnt sunday is it? |
| 22:42.34 | amphi | !permasunday |
| 22:42.34 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 22:43.00 | fiendishfish | How do I get to the debian login screen from a shell? |
| 22:43.21 | Brukerish | gmd? |
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| 22:43.54 | Corty | it's gdm, but Brukerish is right ;) |
| 22:44.25 | dkr | /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 22:44.51 | dkr | or alt-F7 if it's already running and you happened to switch to a console |
| 22:45.03 | fiendishfish | gdm command is not found |
| 22:45.20 | Brukerish | kdm? |
| 22:45.26 | Brukerish | xdm? |
| 22:45.30 | Corty | lol |
| 22:45.30 | fiendishfish | kdm no |
| 22:45.31 | dkr | /etc/init.d is not in your path |
| 22:45.33 | fiendishfish | I'll try xdm |
| 22:45.48 | fiendishfish | bash: xdm: command not found |
| 22:46.00 | craigevil | does he need to be root? ^ |
| 22:46.15 | fiendishfish | I was root. |
| 22:46.17 | dkr | we are making several assumptions :) |
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| 22:46.45 | craigevil | do you have X installed? would be the first assumption |
| 22:46.47 | o2T7 | I recovered a debian whose root partition contained errors. How can i regenerate stage1 and stage2 grub files? |
| 22:46.47 | Brukerish | fiendishfish: Do you have an window manager installed? |
| 22:46.57 | Brukerish | aptitude install kde |
| 22:47.02 | fiendishfish | Brukerish, I#m using gnome |
| 22:47.06 | fiendishfish | I want to switchback to fluxbox |
| 22:47.10 | fiendishfish | Do I have to edit xinitrc or something? |
| 22:47.31 | dkr | you can use fluxbox with gdm,just choose fluxbox fromthe menu before login |
| 22:47.35 | Brukerish | fiendishfish: So you do have x, and gnome? |
| 22:47.44 | fiendishfish | and fluxbox, ytes. |
| 22:47.44 | fiendishfish | yes* |
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| 22:48.11 | polishkoop | exit |
| 22:48.26 | Brukerish | fiendishfish: And you arent sshing it? You are infront of it? |
| 22:48.30 | fiendishfish | Yes :P |
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| 22:49.33 | fiendishfish | Brukerish, I'm infrontof it :P |
| 22:49.50 | fiendishfish | Do I have to edit xinitrc to make fluxbox start on 'startx' rather than kde or gnome |
| 22:49.54 | Brukerish | startx |
| 22:50.13 | Brukerish | Just start gdm, why not use it? |
| 22:50.19 | fiendishfish | What? |
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| 22:50.34 | fiendishfish | I haven't got gdm |
| 22:50.46 | fiendishfish | Usually when I reboot a login thing comes up (gui) etc |
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| 22:50.50 | fiendishfish | bash: gdm: command not found |
| 22:51.40 | craigevil | unless I am mistaken the login GUi is gdm/kdm/xdm, did you do a upgrade lately? |
| 22:51.41 | Brukerish | startx doesnt work? |
| 22:51.49 | fiendishfish | Brukerish, It satars gnome |
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| 22:51.54 | fiendishfish | craigevil, naw |
| 22:51.56 | o2T7 | friendishfish: do it as root |
| 22:52.00 | fiendishfish | I did |
| 22:52.02 | fiendishfish | Let me try again |
| 22:52.12 | fiendishfish | How do I switch to the shell from gnome? |
| 22:52.17 | fiendishfish | Rather than start xterm or whateve? |
| 22:52.23 | o2T7 | Alt+2 |
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| 22:52.28 | o2T7 | sorry |
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| 22:52.32 | o2T7 | Alt+F2 |
| 22:52.48 | o2T7 | and then "gnome-terminal" or whatever |
| 22:52.48 | fiendishfish | That's run application |
| 22:52.52 | arw | /me hello |
| 22:52.55 | craigevil | ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 22:52.58 | fiendishfish | I don't want to open a terminal >_> |
| 22:53.05 | fiendishfish | I mean the shello before you start x or whatever |
| 22:53.08 | fiendishfish | shell* |
| 22:53.30 | arw | i have the followin problem with a acer laptop |
| 22:53.47 | amphi | ... |
| 22:53.54 | fiendishfish | bash: gdm: command not found |
| 22:53.54 | fiendishfish | home:/home/fiendishfish# kds |
| 22:53.57 | fiendishfish | oops |
| 22:53.58 | fiendishfish | kdm*( |
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| 22:54.05 | fiendishfish | It says command not found |
| 22:54.20 | arw | "target file system" doesn't have "/sbin/init" |
| 22:54.24 | craigevil | easiest thing to do would be to install gmd |
| 22:54.31 | Tramp | fiendishfish: you are supposed to run "/etc/init.d/gdm start" not just "gdm" |
| 22:54.41 | fiendishfish | Ah, it's a shell script in init d :D |
| 22:54.46 | craigevil | then you get a GUI login that will let you choose gnome/fluxbox etc |
| 22:54.47 | arw | can any body help me please |
| 22:54.57 | o2T7 | Please, do you know any method for regenerating all grub necessary elements? |
| 22:55.22 | o2T7 | !tell arw about anybody |
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| 22:56.17 | Brukerish | o2T7: Manually! |
| 22:56.22 | robeph | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.33 | robeph | and I can't get dpkg to force it to uninstall |
| 22:56.47 | Brukerish | robeph: Manually delete the file? |
| 22:56.52 | Tramp | arw: what are you doing? did it once work? what did you change? |
| 22:56.57 | craigevil | robeph: force isnt generally a good idea |
| 22:57.14 | arw | helo guys.. i have a problem on "target file system" doesnt have "/sbin/init" |
| 22:57.22 | amphi | arw: what are you doing when you get this message?] |
| 22:57.25 | arw | can someone give me a hand? |
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| 22:57.54 | azeem | arw: in what context? |
| 22:57.55 | Tramp | arw: not if you refuse to read what people write |
| 22:58.01 | arw | amphi: dunno what im gonna do |
| 22:58.13 | o2T7 | Brukerish: I copied manually all the files, and erased menu.lst for generating it. Grub detected correctly where the actual root and swap are, but at the time of `grub-install` i get: "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 22:58.15 | Brukerish | Is it possibole to get drivers for an WG111v2 for debian? |
| 23:00.08 | arw | amphi: i hAvent change anything.. it only works when i use init1 |
| 23:00.52 | arw | its a fresh installation on aspire 4220 |
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| 23:01.59 | Brukerish | It is an netgear wireless card. |
| 23:03.44 | gonzaloaf | hi is it possible to burn nrg files in linux? |
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| 23:04.22 | fiendishfish | Why is gdm suddenly not starting automatically/ |
| 23:04.33 | verboz | hi all |
| 23:04.41 | verboz | have problem with apache2 and lenny |
| 23:04.48 | verboz | see this url: 91.121.105.181 |
| 23:04.49 | amphi | arw: does /sbin/init exist? |
| 23:04.55 | loslalfos | gonzaloaf: sure. buy nero for linux ;) |
| 23:05.06 | verboz | http://91.121.105.181 |
| 23:05.13 | arw | amphi yes, it exist |
| 23:05.47 | verboz | i stoped apache and i don't see change |
| 23:05.48 | amphi | arw: if you boot in single user mode, does 'telinit 2' work? |
| 23:06.00 | verboz | it's always the same error: 500 :s |
| 23:06.05 | arw | amphi only works on init 1 |
| 23:06.16 | arw | and some times on init 2 |
| 23:06.27 | amphi | arw: what happens if you do 'telinit 2'? |
| 23:06.39 | amphi | it works sometimes> |
| 23:06.40 | amphi | ? |
| 23:07.27 | arw | amphi let me try again :), please |
| 23:07.30 | gonzaloaf | loslalfos, nrg2iso |
| 23:07.45 | gonzaloaf | fyi |
| 23:08.19 | amphi | arw: how can I prevent you? ;) |
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| 23:09.11 | arw | amphi when i use telinit 2, function |
| 23:09.19 | themill | verboz: what does "netstat -pant | grep 80" say? |
| 23:09.19 | verboz | any idea about my problem?? :( |
| 23:09.22 | robeph | exit |
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| 23:09.41 | verboz | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 3947/apache2 |
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| 23:10.09 | themill | verboz: so apache2 is still running... |
| 23:11.10 | themill | verboz: look in the error log (/var/log/apache2/error.log) for clues as to what is not working properly |
| 23:11.16 | verboz | http://91.121.105.181 |
| 23:11.24 | verboz | it's stopped now |
| 23:11.28 | verboz | and the same error |
| 23:11.47 | themill | verboz: it's not stopped if it's serving pages |
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| 23:11.59 | themill | verboz: apache2 != apache |
| 23:12.09 | amphi | arw: so all is well? |
| 23:12.10 | gonzaloaf | hey guys, something is sucking my cpu, my cpu's fan doenst low its rpm.... its very fast all day, top says that Xorg is using 20-30% of cpu, is that ok? |
| 23:12.33 | amphi | gonzaloaf: seems a lot, unless it's an ancient processor |
| 23:12.42 | verboz | http://pastebin.com/m25b8c197 |
| 23:13.12 | arw | amphi, no |
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| 23:14.37 | verboz | nothing change when i refrech my page in the error.log |
| 23:14.49 | arw | amphi on telnint 2, when i use ifconfig eth0 up they say |
| 23:15.42 | arw | amphi eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags |
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| 23:16.24 | hramrach | Hello |
| 23:16.24 | gonzaloaf | amphi, p4 3ghz |
| 23:16.36 | gonzaloaf | amphi, 1G ram |
| 23:17.16 | hramrach | I updated initramfs on my laptop, and now usplash works but software suspend does not.. |
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| 23:18.26 | themill | verboz: it looks like you have a reverse proxy between you and that machine. (I think) |
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| 23:19.24 | verboz | it's a virtualisation |
| 23:19.48 | verboz | so how can know what's my server?? |
| 23:21.04 | amphi | arw: you probably don't have the module loaded for the card - what is it? |
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| 23:21.20 | amphi | gonzaloaf: that's a lot, then, IMHO |
| 23:21.56 | arw | what card? |
| 23:22.00 | arw | amphi |
| 23:22.39 | amphi | arw: yes, netwok card - lspci will tell you |
| 23:23.09 | verboz | themill, ==> http://pastebin.com/m19873f2f |
| 23:24.05 | amphi | !tell arw -about laptop |
| 23:24.43 | arw | amphi lspci say : Ethernet controller> nvidia corporation MCP67 |
| 23:25.12 | arw | amphi i have used a debian testing netinst |
| 23:25.18 | amphi | arw: I don't know about that - perhaps it needs the forcedeth module? |
| 23:26.04 | Nurulwai | Is there a way to initialise a video card that doesn't involve starting x? I have a problem where a video card is not initialised at boot time (ie: no splash before post), and the nvidia driver will not initialise it. The nv driver does initialise it, but starting an xserver using nv, stopping it, then loading one using nvidia is a bit clunky. |
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| 23:33.05 | jetscreamer | Nurulwai: ask such in #nvidia (it's all greek to me) |
| 23:33.25 | jetscreamer | well maybe #xorg |
| 23:33.34 | jetscreamer | try both! |
| 23:33.50 | Nurulwai | Righto, will give it a try :-) |
| 23:34.07 | jetscreamer | Nurulwai: but wtf are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:34.34 | jetscreamer | framebuffer? |
| 23:34.48 | Nurulwai | jetscreamer: Dual-monitors over two cards. One in the laptop, one in the dock. :-) |
| 23:34.59 | Nurulwai | The laptop itself can't drive a 1680x1050 resolution. |
| 23:35.15 | jetscreamer | ah ok nothing simple then |
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| 23:35.29 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:36.14 | jetscreamer | Nurulwai: so one doesn't work in console till xorg starts up or something? are they both nvidia? |
| 23:36.17 | Nurulwai | The card in the dock does not get post'd at boot time, so I need to do it before I start the xserver. The nv driver actually posts the card, but completely fails at delivering 1680x1050 resolution. What I have been doing is doing an xinit that dies as soon as it finishes starting so that the card posts and I can then start the real xserver, but it's clunky. :-) |
| 23:36.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:36.52 | Nurulwai | jetscreamer: If the card isn't initialised the nvidia proprietary driver can't access it |
| 23:37.22 | Nurulwai | But for some dumb reason the shit nv driver will happily initialise the card while the fancypants nvidia one wont. |
| 23:37.34 | jetscreamer | does telling the laptop to use the dock video as primary not work? in bios |
| 23:37.42 | Nurulwai | I hope that makes sense cos I've only just really figured it out myself. |
| 23:37.49 | jetscreamer | iirc i have such an option.. no dock, but i have the option |
| 23:38.25 | Nurulwai | Yeah, it does. It posts at boot time then -- but I can't have the laptop screen as monitor #2 if I do that. No output on laptop LCD during boot and the system hangs after startx. |
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| 23:40.50 | jetscreamer | i had a dock once... didn't match my laptop, but it was a dock |
| 23:40.54 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
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| 23:41.40 | xopey | How do i set the default umask for sftp transfers? |
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| 23:42.13 | Nurulwai | thanks :-) |
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| 23:47.46 | penguin3800 | !mirror |
| 23:47.46 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 23:48.48 | minus198 | is there a way to limit apaches upload speed? Cause I'm on a slow DSL line, and when someone downloads anything big from my server, my line goes down. |
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| 23:49.28 | foobar8 | minus198: you can also use traffic shaping |
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| 23:50.13 | minus198 | is there a way to limit apaches upload speed? Cause I'm on a slow DSL line, and when someone downloads anything big from my server, my line goes down. |
| 23:50.41 | foobar8 | minus198: i better would have said: in general you can also use traffic shaping |
| 23:50.41 | Jemt | Greetz. Does anyone know whether Compact Flash cards are faster than USB sticks or performing worse ? |
| 23:50.50 | abrotman | !wondershaper |
| 23:50.50 | dpkg | hmm... wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
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| 23:51.56 | minus198 | foobar8, what do you mean? |
| 23:52.27 | foo | foobar8: go away :) There isn't room for the both of us :) |
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| 23:52.39 | foobar8 | foo: hihi |
| 23:53.05 | foobar8 | minus198: read what dpkg said |
| 23:53.47 | AEX | hi i want delte all files in /usr/cache can i do ? |
| 23:54.24 | fiendishfish | AEX, |
| 23:54.31 | fiendishfish | rm -rf /usr/cache/ |
| 23:54.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:54.55 | fiendishfish | abrotman, ? |
| 23:54.58 | Tramp | xopey: did you already try .bashrc? (provided the user uses bash) |
| 23:55.14 | abrotman | fiendishfish: ask him what's there first? that is a very dangerous command |
| 23:55.27 | fiendishfish | abrotman, that's nothing to do with me. |
| 23:55.28 | xopey | Tramp: that only works for interactive shells. from what i read anyway |
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| 23:55.33 | fiendishfish | He wants _All_ the files deleted |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | fiendishfish: you just gave him the freaking command |
| 23:55.41 | xopey | Tramp: and, from what i tried as well |
| 23:55.44 | fiendishfish | That;s what he asked for. |
| 23:55.49 | Tramp | xopey: well, it works for me. |
| 23:55.50 | fiendishfish | Or incinuated he wanted. |
| 23:56.00 | fiendishfish | abrotman, I'm sure he can use man? |
| 23:56.02 | xopey | Tramp: on scp and sftp? |
| 23:56.18 | abrotman | fiendishfish: why .. he's got you to do all the destruction |
| 23:56.24 | AEX | are the files in /var/cache important? |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:56.30 | Tramp | xopey: didn't try with scp but with sftp ... hang on a minute |
| 23:56.34 | abrotman | fiendishfish: SEE .. THAT'S WHY |
| 23:56.49 | fiendishfish | abrotman, He obviously wants to freakin' delete them. |
| 23:56.58 | abrotman | fiendishfish: he doesn't even know what he is deleting |
| 23:56.59 | fiendishfish | He asked for the command, I gave him it. |
| 23:57.03 | xopey | Tramp: so when you transfer a file, the permissions come in according to the modified mask? (002) |
| 23:57.05 | minus198 | foobar8, wont that script throttle down the overall speed from the server? I just want to throttle apache and not FTP |
| 23:57.07 | fiendishfish | abrotman, he'll learn eventually. |
| 23:57.13 | hramrach | wtf are important files kept in /var/cache ? |
| 23:57.17 | abrotman | fiendishfish: after you destroy his system ... good job |
| 23:57.22 | fiendishfish | abrotman, me? |
| 23:57.23 | fiendishfish | No him. |
| 23:57.26 | abrotman | you |
| 23:57.28 | fiendishfish | He asked for the bloody command and I gave it. |
| 23:57.29 | abrotman | you gave him the command |
| 23:57.31 | hramrach | Caches are to be deleted when you don't want them anymore |
| 23:57.32 | fiendishfish | So stop trying to push the bloame. |
| 23:57.45 | fiendishfish | abrotman, If he wasn't a friggin retard he'd check it out first. |
| 23:57.52 | AEX | can i delete all files from /var/cache? |
| 23:57.55 | abrotman | or you wouldn't give him a retarded command |
| 23:57.56 | amphi | fiendishfish: it might have been better to say, "you don't want to do that" |
| 23:57.56 | abrotman | AEX: no |
| 23:58.02 | AEX | ok |
| 23:58.02 | amphi | AEX: no |
| 23:58.05 | fiendishfish | amphi, It might of been better. |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | AEX: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:58.11 | Tramp | xopey: well, I modified to 077 and the file was 600 - if I revert the change, the file is 644 again, matching the default umask of 644 - or, in short words, yes, I know what I'm doing. |
| 23:58.15 | fiendishfish | But if he wants to, the world is his oyser. |
| 23:58.17 | amphi | fiendishfish: 'have been' |
| 23:58.18 | fiendishfish | oyster* |
| 23:58.28 | Tramp | *default umask of 022 |
| 23:58.28 | fiendishfish | amphi, grammar nazism now? |
| 23:58.35 | AEX | i remove with aptitude apache2 und cant reinstalling apache2 from aptitude |
| 23:58.42 | abrotman | fiendishfish: so if i give you a dangerous command and run it .. you're okay with blaming yourself? |
| 23:58.42 | amphi | AEX: you can do 'apt-get clean' to remove old downloaded packages |
| 23:58.44 | fiendishfish | amphi, You forgot a full stop at the end of your sentence. |
| 23:58.50 | fiendishfish | abrotman, Yes. |
| 23:58.51 | AEX | he installing that but i cant found a folder in /etc |
| 23:58.59 | abrotman | fiendishfish: please don't help anymore |
| 23:58.59 | AEX | i have |
| 23:59.05 | fiendishfish | What idiot runs commands people gave them over the internet, without checking them out? |
| 23:59.08 | xopey | Tramp: hey thanks for testing that. lemme try again to make sure i haven't missed something |
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| 23:59.24 | hramrach | however, at least the directories in /var/cache are important because apt is braindead and can't recreate them |
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| 23:59.32 | abrotman | hramrach: right |
| 23:59.34 | AEX | ok |
| 23:59.51 | AEX | aptitude will not installing apache2 correctly |