| 00:00.01 | fiendishfish | amphi, You've really got to learn to use them full stops! |
| 00:00.03 | abrotman | AEX: errors? |
| 00:00.06 | fiendishfish | </grammar nazism> |
| 00:00.09 | AEX | no errors |
| 00:00.10 | AEX | mom |
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| 00:00.28 | foobar8 | minus198: you can use linux kernel traffic shaping to throttle only apache if you want to |
| 00:00.41 | minus198 | foobar8, ok.. |
| 00:00.54 | foobar8 | minus198: in general if you have 2 steps |
| 00:01.02 | foobar8 | minus198: classification |
| 00:01.09 | foobar8 | minus198: and shaping |
| 00:01.13 | AEX | he show me : 73813 files are installing |
| 00:01.29 | hramrach | and wondershaper ;-) |
| 00:01.30 | AEX | apache2 (aus .../apache2_2.2.3-4+etch4_all.deb) ... |
| 00:01.44 | foobar8 | minus198: sorry one beer too much: in general you have 2 steps |
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| 00:02.19 | foobar8 | minus198: classification can be done using netfilter or tc |
| 00:02.29 | minus198 | Alcohol sux ^^, |
| 00:02.32 | xopey | Tramp: i updated .bashrc in the user's profile to append "umask 002" to the end of the file. I then sftp'd a file as that user, but the permissions on the file were 644 |
| 00:02.34 | foobar8 | minus198: imho using netfilter is easier |
| 00:02.40 | abrotman | AEX: so what's the problem ? |
| 00:02.44 | minus198 | Thanks.. I'll try it out.. |
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| 00:03.01 | abrotman | AEX: paste the output somewhere |
| 00:03.02 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 00:03.03 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 00:03.08 | foobar8 | minus198: it can take some time to get it to work |
| 00:03.39 | AEX | aptitude install apache2, but when i make this, i didnt found a folder on /etc |
| 00:03.41 | minus198 | foobar8, Ok.. I'm gonna try QoS priority in my router first and see if there is any difference.. |
| 00:04.06 | hramrach | hmm, so usplash finally started to display a splash screen - only to kill software suspend |
| 00:04.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:04.14 | xopey | Tramp: i tried 077 just to see if it would allow more restrictive permissions, but still no change |
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| 00:04.28 | foobar8 | minus198: basically you would match the apache port in the mangle table and set a mark |
| 00:04.40 | foobar8 | minus98: then you would use tc to set up shaping |
| 00:05.00 | foobar8 | minus198: htb qdisc is imho a good choice |
| 00:05.23 | Tramp | xopey: hmm. thats weird. |
| 00:05.29 | AEX | why i can remove all files what are from apache2 |
| 00:05.32 | xopey | tell me about it |
| 00:05.41 | foobar8 | minus198: in your case it might already be good enough to set the tos field and stay with default queue |
| 00:05.43 | xopey | Tramp: did you do anything special on yours to get that working? |
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| 00:06.38 | Tramp | xopey: nothing I can think of |
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| 00:07.06 | abrotman | AEX: paste the error in a pastebin .. if you're not going to share .. we can't help |
| 00:07.18 | minus198 | foobar8, To be honest: I think you are going way off my league.. ^^ |
| 00:07.23 | xopey | Tramp: this is driving me insane. So apart from umask, is there any way to force the permissions that group has on files in a directory? |
| 00:07.31 | minus198 | But I'll try do do some searches and try to learn it.. |
| 00:07.39 | AEX | abrot query ? |
| 00:07.56 | AEX | i have installed the germen version. i can paste the message |
| 00:08.48 | foobar8 | minus198: the default queueing discipline already does some priorization based on the tos field |
| 00:09.09 | AEX | Schreibe erweiterte Statusinformationen... Fertig |
| 00:09.09 | AEX | Hole:1 http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main apache2 2.2.3-4+etch4 [41,4kB] |
| 00:09.09 | AEX | 41,4kB wurden in 0s heruntergeladen (275kB/s) |
| 00:09.09 | AEX | Wähle vormals abgewähltes Paket apache2. |
| 00:09.09 | AEX | (Lese Datenbank ... 73813 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.) |
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| 00:09.29 | xopey | Tramp: what permissions does the file have before you sftp it? |
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| 00:09.39 | foobar8 | minus198: maybe you are already happy if you set the tos field of your outgoing packets of apache |
| 00:09.48 | xopey | Tramp: i found that if the local file was 664, it sftp's as 664 |
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| 00:10.18 | Tramp | xopey: no, local it's 644 - would be weird if permissions were retained. |
| 00:10.30 | foobar8 | minus198: i don't know wether it is possible to tell apache to set the tos - but you can also use netfilter for this |
| 00:10.37 | xopey | Tramp: that's what i just noticed |
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| 00:10.51 | abrotman | AEX: use a pastebin website |
| 00:10.56 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:10.56 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 00:11.06 | MatBoy | Hi guys ! Is the mail command on the commandline not default anymore when you install sendmail ? |
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| 00:11.13 | AEX | ok |
| 00:11.19 | azeem | MatBoy: one is a client, the other a server |
| 00:11.32 | xopey | Tramp: There is no way to set umask for SFTP; an attacker could easily upload executable exploits to their home directory, which would retain their permissions after the transfer (http://debian.chains.ch/chroot/chroot.html) |
| 00:11.34 | cjones_ | what is a good program for screen capture video ? |
| 00:11.41 | MatBoy | azeem, yep, I thought so too, but I had the idea it was installed by default |
| 00:11.47 | foobar8 | minus198: man iptables and search for dscp and man tc-prio |
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| 00:11.54 | MatBoy | azeem, but the client is not called mail ? |
| 00:12.20 | MatBoy | azeem, mailx |
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| 00:12.40 | cjones_ | logout |
| 00:12.41 | MatBoy | thanks ;) |
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| 00:13.12 | abrotman | cjones_: istanbul perhaps |
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| 00:13.29 | foobar8 | minus198: or maybe better search for tos in the iptables man page ... |
| 00:13.34 | cjones_ | abrotman can i apt get it |
| 00:13.42 | minus198 | foobar8, sure.. |
| 00:13.56 | abrotman | cjones_: which version of debian ? |
| 00:14.04 | xopey | Tramp: For both scp and sftp, the file is getting uploaded with the same chmod permissions as the local file. That is really weird |
| 00:14.14 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 00:14.22 | cjones_ | stable |
| 00:14.34 | foobar8 | minus198: well i did not change the meaning of the tos byte ... |
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| 00:14.59 | Tramp | xopey: well. In the URL the file changed permissions from 775 to 777 |
| 00:15.28 | cjones_ | i guess i can apt-get it |
| 00:15.36 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 233 kB |
| 00:15.40 | abrotman | finally! |
| 00:15.45 | xopey | Tramp: i don't understand their example. i see what you're saying |
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| 00:16.37 | Tramp | xopey: but when your file locally had 664 and remote 664, then your umask was 002, not 022 - so it worked |
| 00:17.36 | xopey | Tramp: stink. you're right. i was thinking it should force it to 664 |
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| 00:17.56 | Tramp | yeah, I'm sometimes right. |
| 00:18.08 | xopey | Tramp: is there anyway to force the group permission to be g+rw regardless of the permissions on upload. that's actually what i'm trying to accomplish |
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| 00:19.20 | Tramp | xopey: not that I know of. |
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| 00:20.04 | xopey | Tramp: you're right. i tried a file locally at 777 and it uploaded at 775 |
| 00:20.15 | Tramp | xopey: voila. 002. |
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| 00:20.31 | xopey | Tramp: yeah. yet another case of misunderstanding |
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| 00:20.53 | jeffwheeler | Say I just wanted to make a large file on a filesystem (greater than 2gb -- just a test), I would cat /dev/rand to a new file on the disk -- but is there any way to watch the progress and size of the file? |
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| 00:21.46 | Samonoske | how do i enable clean urls in apache? |
| 00:22.18 | jeffwheeler | Or, is there some better way to create a massive file for testing purposes? |
| 00:22.34 | Tramp | jeffwheeler: no no. dd if=/dev/urandom of=file bs=1M count=2000. Sigusr1 the dd. alternatively use /dev/zero (faster) never use /dev/random |
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| 00:23.07 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: you probably want to use `dd if=/dev/zero of=yourfile bs=1M count=2048` .. dev/zero is way faster than dev/random |
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| 00:23.29 | jeffwheeler | Tramp and abrotman: okay, thanks; that makes sense |
| 00:23.32 | Tramp | jeffwheeler: if you have just one shell, put the dd in the bg (&) und kill -sigusr1 from the foreground |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: and if you see `dd --help` .. it gives a method to show the progress-ish |
| 00:23.38 | foobar8 | minus198: sudo iptables -t mangle -I OUTPUT -o ppp0 -p tcp --sport 80 -j TOS --set-tos Maximize-Throughput |
| 00:23.40 | SPF | rsync is for remote systems, is there also a local version? |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | SPF: rsync |
| 00:24.20 | SPF | ah italso works remote |
| 00:24.27 | SPF | err. local |
| 00:24.30 | minus198 | foobar8, And that "Mazimize-Throughoutput" is that supposed to be the number I want to limit it to, or? |
| 00:24.46 | foobar8 | minus198: no - this only sets the tos |
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| 00:25.15 | foobar8 | minus198: but in your case you might already be happy |
| 00:25.50 | minus198 | foobar8, I don't really get what the tos do so... |
| 00:26.11 | foobar8 | minus198: the default qdisc is pfifo_fast which has 3 bands (see output of tc qdisc show dev ppp0) |
| 00:26.47 | foobar8 | minus198: if a packet can be send the higher priority bands are dequeued first |
| 00:26.59 | foobar8 | minus198: if you set the tos you choose the band |
| 00:27.00 | minus198 | this is way out of my league xD and its 1:30 am so I don't think I can learn this right now.. ^^ |
| 00:27.16 | foobar8 | minus198: this is why i posted that iptables line |
| 00:27.31 | foobar8 | minus: assuming your outgoing interface is ppp0 (you have a dsl line?) |
| 00:27.43 | minus198 | yes.. |
| 00:27.43 | foobar8 | minus: and the apache is running on that machine |
| 00:28.01 | minus198 | dsl -> modem -> router -> server |
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| 00:28.58 | foobar8 | minus198: apache is running on server or on router? |
| 00:29.07 | minus198 | the server |
| 00:29.24 | foobar8 | minus198: and other machines are directly connected to the router |
| 00:29.32 | minus198 | yes.. |
| 00:29.38 | foobar8 | minus198: ah okay sorry |
| 00:29.41 | minus198 | All hosts are connected to the router.. |
| 00:29.51 | foobar8 | minus198: then this is no solution for you |
| 00:30.05 | foobar8 | minus198: i thought you are the router |
| 00:30.10 | minus198 | ah.. |
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| 00:31.09 | foobar8 | minus198: the router is not linux? |
| 00:31.55 | minus198 | foobar8, well.. its linux, but I can't controll it via ssh. Cause I don't think linksys has implemented that in their firmware :P |
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| 00:32.40 | DawnLight | !think |
| 00:32.40 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 00:32.45 | foobar8 | minus198: ah - if it is linux chances are that the tos setting is used |
| 00:32.58 | foobar8 | minus198: => just give it a try |
| 00:33.02 | ktwilight___ | cool to know that lenny's relesae date is in 8-9 days :) or at least it's scheduled to be |
| 00:33.15 | azeem | ktwilight___: you're wrong |
| 00:33.21 | ktwilight___ | :( |
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| 00:33.39 | penguin3800 | why do i get your harddisk may have been shutdown improbely? |
| 00:33.40 | azeem | ktwilight___: maybe you're talking about the beta1 of the lenny installer |
| 00:33.58 | minus198 | foobar8, I'll do that tomorrow.. I'm tired and going to bed :P |
| 00:33.58 | minus198 | brb |
| 00:34.18 | ktwilight___ | azeem, ah...yes, you're right :) |
| 00:34.27 | Yourname` | Hi. I just installed debian etch 4, and now when I try to ssh into it, it's saying connection refused.. why? |
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| 00:34.38 | azeem | Yourname`: did you install the ssh server? |
| 00:34.44 | foobar8 | minus198: ok |
| 00:34.45 | ktwilight___ | Yourname`, you'd need to install the ssh server |
| 00:34.49 | Yourname` | azeem How do I check? |
| 00:34.56 | azeem | Yourname`: dpkg -l openssh-server |
| 00:34.57 | defi0n | ps ax |
| 00:34.58 | Yourname` | apt-get install openssh doesnt work |
| 00:35.01 | Xenguy | loooooove the SSH server :-) |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | Yourname`: ssh or openssh-server or openssh-client |
| 00:35.22 | ktwilight___ | Yourname`, apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 00:35.25 | foobar8 | minus198: you will have to replace the -o then |
| 00:35.33 | ktwilight___ | Yourname`, apt-cache search is your friend :) |
| 00:35.45 | vlt | Hello. Is there any tool to concatenate several files to one (or one loop device)? |
| 00:35.50 | Yourname` | I tried that guys, never works. |
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| 00:35.54 | Xenguy | vlt: cat ? |
| 00:36.06 | vlt | (w/o actually copying it, of course) |
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| 00:36.22 | Yourname` | It says openssh-server has no installation candidate :S |
| 00:36.33 | Xenguy | Yourname`: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:36.44 | Xenguy | ? |
| 00:36.44 | vlt | Xenguy: something like `losetup file1 file2 file3 ...` |
| 00:36.58 | Yourname` | Xenguy: done, doesnt have a lot of lines in there tho |
| 00:37.14 | Xenguy | vlt: maybe: cat 1 2 3 4 > 5 |
| 00:37.14 | Xenguy | ? |
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| 00:37.27 | vlt | Xenguy: That copies the files. |
| 00:37.32 | foobar8 | vlt: device mapper? |
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| 00:37.52 | vlt | foobar8: Sounds more like what I imagined. |
| 00:37.55 | Xenguy | vlt: it will concatenate them |
| 00:38.15 | abrotman | vlt: cat file1 file2 file3 file4 > newfile |
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| 00:38.32 | Yourname` | Is there a way to populate the sources.lst? |
| 00:38.35 | foobar8 | vlt: may work - don't know - see man dmsetup |
| 00:38.36 | Xenguy | abrotman: thank you :-) |
| 00:38.50 | wad | I'm just getting started with linux development. I'd like to see the man page on the printf function in C. I've tried "man 3 printf" but I get nothing. Where do I look? |
| 00:39.10 | wad | Do I need to add some sort of package that includes C documentation? |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | wad: install manpages-dev |
| 00:39.13 | wad | Ah! |
| 00:39.16 | vlt | abrotman: I don't _really_ want them to cat. I need to add an additional layer over them ... hmmm ... |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | vlt: then ask your real question .. |
| 00:39.29 | foobar8 | vlt: otherwise fuse |
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| 00:40.05 | wad | abrotman: beauty! Thanks! |
| 00:40.31 | vlt | abrotman: It's hard to describe ;) |
| 00:40.46 | abrotman | vlt: well .. asking the completely wrong question doesn't help |
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| 00:41.38 | omnil | vlt: you pvcreate with loopback ? |
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| 00:41.54 | vlt | abrotman: "concatenating without actually copying it" wasn't too far ... |
| 00:42.17 | vlt | omnil, foobar8: I'll try. |
| 00:42.21 | vlt | Thank you all. |
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| 00:43.57 | Nyle | wad: also you can find online manpages |
| 00:43.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:44.11 | icesword | how do i change my debian to "stable",just allow it use stable wares |
| 00:44.23 | azeem | icesword: adjust sources.list |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | icesword: what is it using now? |
| 00:44.24 | icesword | unstable softwares |
| 00:44.29 | abrotman | icesword: you can't |
| 00:44.35 | icesword | why |
| 00:44.43 | abrotman | wait .. what do you have now .. what do you want to use? |
| 00:44.47 | foobar8 | anybody tried python-fuse? |
| 00:44.47 | Nyle | you can easily change your unstable debian to stable debian |
| 00:44.49 | Nyle | no problem |
| 00:45.08 | icesword | i am using stable one,so i want the unstable,sorry,how |
| 00:45.14 | foobar8 | or libfuse-perl? |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | icesword: you shouldn't do that |
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| 00:45.21 | icesword | why |
| 00:45.30 | abrotman | if you don't know how to make it work .. you sohuldn't be using it |
| 00:45.33 | Nyle | icesword: what do you want to do? |
| 00:45.38 | icesword | coz you know i want the latest |
| 00:45.41 | Nyle | you can't downgrade, but easly reinstall stable |
| 00:45.48 | abrotman | he's already on stable |
| 00:45.51 | Nyle | you want to upgrade, well unstable can't be updated |
| 00:45.53 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | icesword: you have the latest stable .. what's the problem? |
| 00:45.59 | Nyle | fuck, don't upgrade to unstale |
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| 00:46.21 | penguin3800 | why do i get harddisk may have been shutdown improperly |
| 00:46.36 | icesword | i think if i use unstable,i can get lot of latest softwares |
| 00:46.40 | icesword | softwarez |
| 00:46.43 | Nyle | warez? |
| 00:46.47 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 00:46.47 | dpkg | from memory, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 00:46.50 | abrotman | are you freaking serious? |
| 00:47.17 | icesword | yeah,i want the latest,though it is still in test |
| 00:47.25 | azeem | icesword: we don't support that here |
| 00:47.32 | Nyle | !tell icesword -about sid faq |
| 00:47.43 | Nyle | read that my friend |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | except that it tells you how in the faq ... |
| 00:47.49 | icesword | come on,give me some guide |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | nice job |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | icesword: you're not technically capable of running unstable |
| 00:48.19 | icesword | how do you say that |
| 00:48.30 | icesword | i am not afraid of crash |
| 00:48.42 | Nyle | thats not all |
| 00:48.47 | jetscreamer | lol is a verb |
| 00:48.49 | emanukoz | Hi! I was just wondering what kernel version http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ that build is? |
| 00:48.54 | jetscreamer | !tell Nyle -about nyeet |
| 00:48.59 | Nyle | jetscreamer: hey what happened to my hfds |
| 00:49.06 | jetscreamer | Nyle: nothing |
| 00:49.10 | azeem | emanukoz: 2.6.22 most probably |
| 00:49.15 | Nyle | could you kindly send me the control panel links again jetscreamer |
| 00:49.20 | Nyle | I wish to deploy the site |
| 00:49.24 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i might have changed your ftp pw... but just the ftp. sure |
| 00:49.41 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I'm done working for people man |
| 00:49.54 | Nyle | time to concentrate on my bidnes |
| 00:49.58 | icesword | abrotman, do explain,sir |
| 00:50.22 | emanukoz | azeem, does that have the new ipw3945 drivers? |
| 00:50.29 | azeem | dunno |
| 00:50.34 | Nyle | !ipw3945 |
| 00:50.34 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 00:50.53 | amphi | Nyle: 'deploy'? |
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| 00:51.06 | Nyle | amphi: I been workin on it at home |
| 00:51.12 | amphi | Nyle: I hope you've synergised your core competencies, and so on ;) |
| 00:51.28 | Nyle | they are in sync |
| 00:51.38 | Nyle | and stop using big words ffs |
| 00:51.40 | amphi | heh |
| 00:51.45 | Nyle | I don't know that much englihs :) |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | icesword: i already did |
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| 00:51.54 | emanukoz | Nyle, that means its not in before the 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 00:52.06 | amphi | Nyle: it was just droid bollocks |
| 00:52.14 | jeffwheeler | I've gotta admit: I've been running Sid in my closet and for an "unstable" OS, it's got the longest uptime of any machine I've ever used. |
| 00:52.23 | jetscreamer | sid rocks |
| 00:52.27 | jeffwheeler | (Which is only about two months ... but that's stilly pretty impressive.) |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: please don't |
| 00:52.42 | jetscreamer | and sid is like that other adage: once you go sid you'll never go back |
| 00:52.42 | Nyle | abrotman: bada ban ja gandoo insaan |
| 00:52.44 | jeffwheeler | Why? Just for my own education/learning... |
| 00:52.45 | Nyle | it means... behave. |
| 00:52.50 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:52.52 | abrotman | Nyle: i don't care |
| 00:52.55 | Nyle | s/abrotman/jetscreamer |
| 00:52.59 | jeffwheeler | nothing important is on there, abrotman |
| 00:53.00 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: i meant .. please be quiet about it |
| 00:53.03 | jetscreamer | i can't stand testing even |
| 00:53.07 | jeffwheeler | oh, sorry :) |
| 00:53.11 | jetscreamer | not enough updates |
| 00:53.24 | amphi | jetscreamer: you must be highly strung ;) |
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| 00:54.30 | jetscreamer | ooo i should run sid on my server |
| 00:54.33 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 00:55.16 | Nyle | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 00:55.18 | Nyle | I'm in |
| 00:55.20 | jetscreamer | np |
| 00:55.27 | jetscreamer | ftp is your god |
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| 00:55.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer: houston soon |
| 00:55.41 | ks | is it possible to get bootup parameters somehow ? |
| 00:55.46 | jetscreamer | ftp uploads |
| 00:55.54 | jetscreamer | ks: hit the e to edit |
| 00:55.59 | jetscreamer | if you mean when you boot |
| 00:56.13 | Nyle | ks: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:56.14 | jetscreamer | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst if you mean in general |
| 00:56.16 | frog | hi, i'm on sid/lenny, made bin kernel update and get kernel panic. it can't mount my root. can anyone give me any helping hand? |
| 00:56.20 | Nyle | in the boot entry, in the kernel line |
| 00:56.21 | RyanRyan52 | ks: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 00:56.25 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 00:56.25 | dpkg | initrd is, like, initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 00:56.26 | Nyle | you append kernel parameters there |
| 00:56.29 | ks | jetscreamer: well i need to pass some data to the instance |
| 00:56.31 | jetscreamer | that, frog |
| 00:56.43 | emanukoz | Well, what kernel version is the daily builds then? |
| 00:56.54 | jetscreamer | ks: hit e at the menu then |
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| 00:57.03 | jetscreamer | then hit e on the kernel line |
| 00:57.22 | ks | jetscreamer: well this is intended to be automated |
| 00:57.31 | jetscreamer | emanukoz: probably the default stable. you may want kmuto |
| 00:57.38 | icesword | :(:(:( |
| 00:57.43 | jetscreamer | ks: edit the menu then |
| 00:57.47 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 00:57.48 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 00:58.05 | ks | i think i can try what Ryan52 suggested |
| 00:58.59 | emanukoz | jetscreamer, i tried with the kmuto, but it wouldnt boot. im trying to install on a extern hdd |
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| 00:59.18 | zyx386 | hi |
| 00:59.20 | jetscreamer | you want to edit the kernel options when you boot? to be static across reboots? you edit the menu.lst.. it's not just a menu |
| 00:59.36 | zyx386 | i install debian of laptop HP G5000 |
| 00:59.47 | jetscreamer | emanukoz: no idea about ext hd's :/ |
| 00:59.48 | icesword | hmm |
| 00:59.48 | zyx386 | graphic card is ati |
| 01:00.06 | emanukoz | well, when i botted it said it couldnt find the root partition, and went into a busybox shell thingie |
| 01:00.11 | emanukoz | booter* |
| 01:00.13 | zyx386 | is all ok, but have small problem |
| 01:00.14 | emanukoz | booted* |
| 01:00.23 | zyx386 | can every one help |
| 01:00.26 | icesword | emanukoz, what you did before |
| 01:00.44 | jetscreamer | emanukoz: that might be this other bug... (die udev die) |
| 01:00.46 | icesword | !stable |
| 01:00.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>. |
| 01:00.56 | zyx386 | :-( |
| 01:01.04 | jetscreamer | but i don't know... jusing uuid= rocks |
| 01:01.24 | jetscreamer | !tell zyx386 -about ask |
| 01:01.30 | frog | jetscreamer: thx |
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| 01:01.37 | zyx386 | the laptop scree is not perfect |
| 01:01.40 | jetscreamer | zyx386: be real hard since you didn't state the problem |
| 01:01.45 | emanukoz | i tried with the 4.0r3, but it dont have the drivers i need, the iwlwifi |
| 01:01.46 | abrotman | !tell zyx386 about fglrx one-liner |
| 01:02.28 | emanukoz | it wouldnt be such a big problem if i could actually use wired connection, but since i cant =/ |
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| 01:02.53 | jetscreamer | zyx386: more data needed imo |
| 01:02.53 | zyx386 | jetscreamer: and have another problem i use usb mobile |
| 01:02.55 | emanukoz | and jetscreamer, uuid, i read smth about that when trying to figure out my problem. but i never figured out how to find it |
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| 01:03.31 | jetscreamer | emanukoz: well if you get it booted, it's seen when you do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 01:03.45 | jetscreamer | emanukoz: then you use that in the menu.lst and the fstab |
| 01:03.56 | emanukoz | thats the problem, i never get it booted =/ |
| 01:03.57 | jetscreamer | instead of /dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 01:03.59 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:04.28 | zyx386 | jetscreamer: my problem is , the graphic icons of the desktop is not perfect |
| 01:04.31 | jetscreamer | livecd / installer cd in rescue mode? |
| 01:04.50 | emanukoz | hmm, can i use ubuntu livecd? |
| 01:04.50 | jetscreamer | zyx386: you may need fglrx like abrotman told the bot to tell you about |
| 01:05.02 | zyx386 | ok thanx |
| 01:05.12 | jetscreamer | zyx386: i don't use ati so i don't know.. there is also #ati to ask in at the same time |
| 01:05.30 | icesword | emanukoz, it seems you partition is not cleanly umounted |
| 01:05.39 | zyx386 | and can i vodafone driver for mobiule install of debian? |
| 01:05.41 | xopey | Tramp: okay, i think i have what i need |
| 01:05.46 | jetscreamer | zyx386: better data/errors/problem/information might be of use to the ppl trying to help you |
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| 01:05.59 | zyx386 | ok |
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| 01:06.03 | emanukoz | icesword, how can i fix that?:O |
| 01:06.03 | jetscreamer | zyx386: 'not perfect' doesn't do much for me :/ |
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| 01:06.09 | Tramp | xopey: what did you do? |
| 01:06.38 | jetscreamer | emanukoz: sure you can use that one |
| 01:06.38 | icesword | emanukoz, it is just a guess,you must give more details,i think someone do know how |
| 01:06.41 | zyx386 | jetscrimer the graphic is not normal |
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| 01:06.50 | jetscreamer | emanukoz: and you can edit the stuff on your hd also |
| 01:06.55 | xopey | Tramp: i was able to set it globally in pam_umask. my users will primarily be transferring files from a windows client, so the local file permissions is moot |
| 01:07.01 | emanukoz | ok, i will try all that on sunday:) |
| 01:07.05 | emanukoz | Thanks for all your help so far |
| 01:07.07 | jetscreamer | zyx386: maybe a screenshot |
| 01:07.09 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 01:07.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 01:07.24 | emanukoz | and icesword, i will try to find out more details :) |
| 01:07.28 | emanukoz | Thanks to you all! |
| 01:07.30 | icesword | k |
| 01:07.30 | emanukoz | Ill be back ;) |
| 01:07.37 | _joey | which package should I install to get Sun's Java? |
| 01:07.37 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 01:07.40 | _joey | thanks! |
| 01:07.45 | jetscreamer | !java |
| 01:07.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | !tell _joey about install java |
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| 01:08.07 | xopey | Tramp: you can set umask globally for all shells and services then by adding a line to /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 01:08.08 | _joey | so which package? |
| 01:08.14 | ks | hm... 'The content of /proc/cmdline is the kernel parameters you pass during boot.' Is there any way I can pass arbitrary data other than editing it manually and will it affect normal bootup ? |
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| 01:08.19 | abrotman | _joey: see what the bot told you |
| 01:08.20 | Tramp | xopey: ah, ok. The login.defs had a reference to pam_umask, but it's in a seperate package, so I didn't try it |
| 01:08.22 | jetscreamer | the bot msg should say, _joey |
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| 01:08.33 | jetscreamer | /window next or whatever |
| 01:08.40 | _joey | several options and it's unclear |
| 01:08.45 | azeem | ks: /proc/cmdline is for informational purposes only, AFAIK |
| 01:08.46 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 01:08.47 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:08.49 | xopey | Tramp: yeah, i finally decided to read it thoroughly. what wonders that can do |
| 01:08.50 | jetscreamer | thusly |
| 01:09.03 | xopey | thanks for your help tonight Tramp |
| 01:09.09 | Tramp | np |
| 01:09.11 | _joey | !java |
| 01:09.11 | dpkg | well, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 01:09.17 | ks | azeem is there any other way to pass arbitrary data ? |
| 01:09.17 | jetscreamer | i need to go brush my eyebrows |
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| 01:09.23 | nevyn | what is the correct group to assign appropriate rights on a mobile phone when connected over USB? plugdev? |
| 01:09.25 | azeem | ks: edit your boot loader config |
| 01:09.32 | jetscreamer | !tell _joey -about search |
| 01:09.37 | jetscreamer | !tell _joey -about non-free |
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| 01:09.42 | icesword | i find dpkg really funny |
| 01:09.48 | ks | azeem what do I read on the topic ? |
| 01:09.50 | _joey | !install java |
| 01:09.50 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
| 01:09.53 | icesword | !haha |
| 01:09.59 | azeem | ks: your boot loader's documentation |
| 01:10.00 | jetscreamer | !tell _joey -about msg |
| 01:10.03 | azeem | most likely Grub's |
| 01:10.08 | icesword | !know |
| 01:10.08 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 01:10.11 | jetscreamer | ks: -_- |
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| 01:10.28 | ks | thanks |
| 01:10.33 | jetscreamer | ks: the kopt line... read the file, don't uncomment the line |
| 01:10.37 | nevyn | so true. |
| 01:10.58 | _joey | after all these years they still haven't came up with an easy way of getting Sun's Java |
| 01:11.07 | nevyn | it's easy to find what and even how why is the one that screws you up. |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | _joey: did you even read ? |
| 01:11.10 | _joey | so many *free* package |
| 01:11.13 | _joey | get lost |
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| 01:11.57 | ks | jetscreamer: ok merci |
| 01:12.45 | icesword | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:12.54 | wad | Is there a way in vim to hop to the matching curley brace? |
| 01:13.11 | ks | azeem, jetscreamer this is for virtual instance of debian4 actually, so the data is being passed by hypervisor |
| 01:14.54 | ks | so it looks like this manager app [data=123]>hypervisor [data=123]>vm instance [data=123] > bash [data=123] |
| 01:15.57 | miracle2k | I have a web app that needs a crontab file that linked into cron.d/; I'd like the paths in that crontab file to be somehow relative, independent from the location of the web app; is that even possible? |
| 01:16.11 | jetscreamer | ah xen |
| 01:16.27 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 01:16.44 | ks | not only xen |
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| 01:16.53 | jetscreamer | if it matters, you should mention it eh :/ |
| 01:17.08 | jetscreamer | like i would have said 'i know nothing of xen' and typed nothing |
| 01:17.23 | themill | wad: % |
| 01:17.28 | jetscreamer | not even 'i know nothing of xen' |
| 01:17.29 | ks | jetscreamer: sorry |
| 01:17.38 | jetscreamer | np i'm just saying |
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| 01:17.59 | jetscreamer | you made me waste your time, how dare you! |
| 01:18.09 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 01:18.16 | ks | jetscreamer: there's no problem with xen at all, but just need a general way |
| 01:18.23 | el_isma | Hello, I've got a quite severe problem with acpi on a notebook, but I'm not clueful enough to know how to report the bug. |
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| 01:18.43 | jetscreamer | !reportbug |
| 01:18.43 | dpkg | somebody said reportbug was used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 01:18.54 | jetscreamer | web probably |
| 01:19.06 | el_isma | I wouldn't know which package to report the bug against |
| 01:19.14 | jetscreamer | acpi comes to mind |
| 01:19.17 | penguin3800 | why do i always get a blackscreen when i enable nvidia? |
| 01:19.25 | jetscreamer | because you didn't do it right |
| 01:19.29 | el_isma | jetscreamer: ok then, thanks |
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| 01:19.39 | jetscreamer | !tell penguin3800 -about nvidia |
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| 01:20.38 | jetscreamer | el_isma: you should probably make sure it's not a bios bug, solved by a bios update though (if that matters/affects it) |
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| 01:21.15 | el_isma | jetscreamer: I simply don't know. I guess not, since only happens in Debian (previous Ubuntu install and current WinXP doesn't show the bug) |
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| 01:21.32 | el_isma | jetscreamer: the bug is that when I close the lid, cpu use goes up to almost 100% |
| 01:21.51 | el_isma | jetscreamer: and it keeps at that even after I open the lid |
| 01:22.15 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: check what's actually using the cpu |
| 01:22.21 | jetscreamer | everything is udev's fault |
| 01:22.27 | amphi | el_isma: so what's doing it - try top after opening the lid |
| 01:22.37 | jetscreamer | el_isma: if you really want to fix it, do whatever dondelelcaro says |
| 01:22.51 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: /bin/sh /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 01:23.10 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: it appears theres some sort of infinite loop |
| 01:23.22 | el_isma | the process begins and ends and spawns again |
| 01:23.45 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: it's probably getting the event over and over again. |
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| 01:24.08 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: add a set -x to the /etc/apci/lid.sh and see what it's doing. You should also check what is calling it (and try restarting acpid) |
| 01:24.15 | Capitan_Obvious | hey everyone. I have short n00bish question. I just installed aterm but when running for ex. mc it looks bad. I think it has something to do with not supporting UTF. i was trying to google it but seems its too late to focus so i'm asking u ppl. |
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| 01:24.16 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: ps axfu; will show you precisely what the deal is |
| 01:24.39 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: I don't know hot to "add a set -x" |
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| 01:25.22 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: ps axfu shows that lid.sh is run by acpid |
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| 01:26.01 | el_isma | and that lid.sh also runs a child lid.sh sometimes (I'm running ps auxf over and over) |
| 01:26.33 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: then it seems acpid runs lm_lid.sh |
| 01:26.45 | el_isma | (lid.sh processes have closed now) |
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| 01:27.40 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: restarting acpid doesn't seem to have any effect |
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| 01:31.03 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: and now it seems it has stopped... I didn't touch anything |
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| 01:31.32 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: adding a set -x to the lid.sh acipd script will enable you to see the output from it. |
| 01:31.55 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: you'll likely need to run acpid in foreground only debugging mode (I don't remember the precise options now, but the manpage has them) to see the output |
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| 01:32.12 | Tramp | el_isma: some helpful information in /var/log/acpid? |
| 01:32.34 | dondelelcaro | yeah, check for any relevant logs too; possibly daemon, depending on your logging setup. |
| 01:32.34 | el_isma | Tramp: no such log |
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| 01:34.57 | Tramp | el_isma: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 01:35.28 | el_isma | Tramp: Lenny + few packages from sid. Right now I have acpid from Sid, but it shows the same behaviour |
| 01:36.16 | Tramp | well, first problem is, that it's not logging as it is supposed to. Fix this first. |
| 01:37.06 | el_isma | I ran acpid with "-f -d" (foreground, debug) and now it's spewing a lot of messages... |
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| 01:38.07 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: kick them to a file |
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| 01:39.36 | eifzon | anyone here have ever made a user that is just avaible to use ssh and irssi? |
| 01:39.46 | el_isma | dondelelcaro: how do I capture stderror? stdout doesn't have any info |
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| 01:43.15 | abrotman | eifzon: and couldn't ? |
| 01:43.23 | eifzon | abrotman: ? |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | eifzon: what don't you want them to do? |
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| 01:45.38 | eifzon | abrotman: I wanna give a shell to a friend, he shall just have access to irssi |
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| 01:46.09 | abrotman | so you don't want him to look at anything else? |
| 01:46.13 | eifzon | nope |
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| 01:46.16 | eifzon | just the home folder I suppose? |
| 01:46.22 | eifzon | the ones he get when I create |
| 01:47.01 | buu | eifzon: shell=irssi |
| 01:47.02 | buu | Done! |
| 01:47.08 | eifzon | buu: huh? |
| 01:47.14 | buu | ... |
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| 01:48.26 | eifzon | buu: what to change? |
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| 01:49.17 | buu | In /etc/passwd you can change their shell from bash to irssi. |
| 01:49.23 | lynucs | hello guys, i don't want to offend someone here.. i just would like to know, what is the point of using debian on desktop machines instead of ubuntu? |
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| 01:49.48 | buu | lynucs: Because you want to. |
| 01:49.50 | lynucs | i mean debian has a more outdated repository |
| 01:49.52 | buu | What kind of a question is that? |
| 01:50.10 | eifzon | buu: testuser1:x:1002:1002:,,,:/home/testuser1:irssi |
| 01:50.12 | lynucs | buu: i'd like to know wether there is an objective aspect |
| 01:50.13 | eifzon | is that right? |
| 01:50.16 | S4nD3r | I dont have 3D video card... Id like to have flight menu like karamba to use in gnome... which to install?? |
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| 01:50.52 | buu | lynucs: It's a silly question. |
| 01:50.59 | Malf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.01 | buu | eifzon: Try it and find out! |
| 01:51.25 | Malf | lynucs: For me I feel that it's a more stable distribution and I prefer the default configuration it comes with |
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| 01:51.52 | eifzon | hmm, how can I change pw for a user |
| 01:51.56 | lynucs | Malf: okay, thank you for your statement |
| 01:51.58 | thorat | lynucs: my feeling is that most people here don't run the stable (outdated) distribution |
| 01:52.05 | Malf | that too |
| 01:52.07 | Malf | I'm on testing |
| 01:52.16 | Malf | which seems to be as stable as any other distro's stable |
| 01:52.26 | lynucs | Malf: :) |
| 01:52.43 | el_isma | dondelelcaro, Tramp: the acpid log is at: http://www.2shared.com/file/2918916/9c05d162/acpidlog.html . I modified lid.sh and added the set +x as dondelelcaro said |
| 01:53.06 | lynucs | thank you.. i guess that is what i wanted to hear.. debain testig = others stable |
| 01:53.14 | Starwatcher | Malf you talking testing as in sid? |
| 01:53.42 | fignew | debian stable = no changes. stable != does not crash |
| 01:53.52 | el_isma | Starwatcher: Testing is Lenny. Unstable is Sid. |
| 01:54.06 | Starwatcher | ok that right sry |
| 01:54.09 | Malf | yeah |
| 01:54.13 | Malf | testing as in lenny |
| 01:54.30 | Starwatcher | I am running sid with out problems |
| 01:54.30 | eifzon | hmm |
| 01:54.39 | eifzon | how come it doesent work to login on that test user |
| 01:54.44 | eifzon | buu |
| 01:55.17 | icesword | Starwatcher, what is the version of your gnome |
| 01:55.33 | Starwatcher | aw sry i run KDE |
| 01:55.46 | icesword | oh,what version |
| 01:55.54 | Starwatcher | 3.5.8 |
| 01:55.55 | eifzon | buu: what can be wrong |
| 01:56.11 | icesword | that is great |
| 01:56.42 | icesword | Starwatcher, how do you change your stable to "unstable |
| 01:57.28 | Starwatcher | I use synaptic and change the repositories from there |
| 01:58.02 | Starwatcher | but I installed sid using "Sidux"\ |
| 01:58.10 | icesword | Starwatcher, could you give me some guide ,i am a noodb:( |
| 01:58.13 | icesword | noob |
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| 01:58.17 | abrotman | icesword: stop asking people |
| 01:58.31 | icesword | abrotman, you! |
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| 01:58.51 | abrotman | icesword: look .. unstable is not supported here, once you go to unstable, you're on your own .. |
| 01:59.12 | icesword | abrotman, i thought you fell asleep |
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| 02:00.16 | Starwatcher | icesword I would have to agree with abrotman, get to know your os before going to lenny or sid, one wrong move in sid can render your system useless. |
| 02:00.35 | icesword | 亚历山大.泰德.布罗特曼 |
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| 02:00.53 | icesword | ok |
| 02:02.14 | Starwatcher | abrotman is lenny getting froze soon? |
| 02:02.23 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 02:02.23 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html |
| 02:02.30 | Tramp | el_isma: well, I'd say your problem is, that too many events are generated. The sample you saved has >600 events, presumably in a short time, and the script is spawned for every event |
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| 02:02.57 | el_isma | Tramp: Yes, it was about 2 or 3 minutes |
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| 02:03.37 | el_isma | Tramp: I'm writing the bug report now. Did you find anything I should add? |
| 02:03.45 | icesword | abrotman, is that your name |
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| 02:04.01 | IceD^ | what's analog for pptp-command / setup in debian |
| 02:04.01 | Tramp | el_isma: bug report for what? |
| 02:04.08 | IceD^ | there was pptpconfig some time before |
| 02:04.13 | IceD^ | and what now? |
| 02:04.13 | el_isma | Tramp: for this behaviour, for acpid |
| 02:04.41 | Tramp | el_isma: looks more like a bug of either your hardware or the kernel, IMHO. Don't see any problem with acpid |
| 02:05.03 | Starwatcher | thanks was wondering when tha was going to happen, kde4 is suppose to be taken our of experimental and put into sid around the time that lenny gets frozen. |
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| 02:05.17 | el_isma | Tramp: Oh... But it ran correctly on ubuntu and runs on winxp |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | Starwatcher: yeah .. probably quite a bit off |
| 02:05.55 | Tramp | el_isma: maybe they just ignore the generated events |
| 02:06.33 | Starwatcher | yes from what i hear a little more work needs to be done to replace kde3 |
| 02:06.51 | S4nD3r | I dont have 3D video card... Id like to have flight menu like karamba to use in gnome... which to install?? |
| 02:07.07 | el_isma | Tramp: They do turn off and on the backlight, which I guess is the expected result from those acpi events |
| 02:07.09 | S4nD3r | ops... was my baby... |
| 02:07.15 | S4nD3r | sorry |
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| 02:07.40 | Starwatcher | tell your baby to get it's own computer lol |
| 02:07.50 | icesword | !history |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | history is probably old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
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| 02:08.04 | Tramp | el_isma: but, honestly, I don't know. Many events are, for whatever reason, generated and acpid spawns the script for every event. For acpid that's the expected bahaviour - Switching off the backlight is implemented in hardware, as far as I know it, i.e. the lid-button is a switch. |
| 02:08.14 | abrotman | icesword: /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:08.40 | Tramp | el_isma: at least on my hp-laptop it's definitely a switch |
| 02:08.47 | el_isma | Tramp: easy enough to test... I'll kill acpid and close the lid |
| 02:08.54 | Tramp | right 8) |
| 02:09.18 | el_isma | Tramp: Indeed, it shuts down on lid-close |
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| 02:11.07 | icesword | i see,it is just character sensible |
| 02:12.01 | el_isma | Tramp: So... what should I do? In its current state (with acpid on) closing and opening the lid make the pc go cpu heavy for a long time... If i were running on batteries I wouldn't like it, not to mention it's a PITA when I'm trying to work. |
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| 02:12.26 | amphi | el_isma: what do you want to happen on lid close? |
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| 02:13.17 | el_isma | amphi: Nothing. But currently it seems a load of events are generated and acpid goes crazy and hogs the cpu. |
| 02:13.19 | S4nD3r | engage works good in lenny?? |
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| 02:14.35 | amphi | el_isma: so edit the lid handler to do nothing |
| 02:14.35 | icesword | what does lenny mean |
| 02:15.22 | Tramp | el_isma: either google, if this event-flooding is a known problem of your hardware and check, if it can be fixed - or do as amphi said and simply disable the lid-event-handling |
| 02:15.34 | akuwamari | is there any game like mario bros (clone ) ? |
| 02:15.36 | danclery | Lenny is the next version of Debian (currently testing) |
| 02:15.44 | icesword | see |
| 02:16.07 | tarzeau | akuwamari: there is supertux and smw? |
| 02:16.27 | tarzeau | akuwamari: but there's better games, like nethack, bubbros and sauerbraten |
| 02:16.37 | danclery | Named after the binoculars. |
| 02:16.51 | danclery | Anyone here use the ipset utility from netfilter? |
| 02:17.04 | S4nD3r | Id like to use this kind of menu... http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/v/elive/hdddesktop1.jpg.html |
| 02:17.17 | eifzon | hmm, I tried with the ssh restriction thing but I just get kicked out from the ssh server when I try to login, anyone can help me? |
| 02:17.25 | S4nD3r | what to install?? |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | eifzon: what did you try ? |
| 02:17.40 | eifzon | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 02:17.43 | eifzon | abrotman: |
| 02:17.56 | akuwamari | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 02:18.34 | eifzon | abrotman: so far I have installed libpam-chroot and I have added the session required pam_chroot.so to the /etc/pam.d/ssh file |
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| 02:18.39 | abrotman | eifzon: how did you try that? you built your own sshd ? |
| 02:18.48 | eifzon | no |
| 02:18.52 | abrotman | eifzon: just tell your friend not to abuse the system |
| 02:18.58 | akuwamari | i want to use some sounds of atari, can i use it ? |
| 02:19.00 | eifzon | abrotman: but still I want it safe |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | then don't give him a shell .. he has his own machine |
| 02:19.33 | eifzon | abrotman: but you see, I just wanna get him restricted... |
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| 02:20.50 | eifzon | btw, abrotman, how shall the passwd line look like? |
| 02:20.53 | akuwamari | tarzeau: where can i get bobbros and sauerbraten ? |
| 02:21.01 | el_isma | Tramp, amphi: disabling the lid event is no good. On lid close it locks the system, and I like that feature. |
| 02:21.11 | abrotman | eifzon: did you even read that page ? |
| 02:21.13 | eifzon | yes. |
| 02:21.21 | eifzon | hmm |
| 02:21.30 | tarzeau | akuwamari: apt-get install bubbros sauerbraten (if you got sid) , otherwise http://krum.ethz.ch/backports/ |
| 02:21.35 | eifzon | abrotman: The user's home directory has to exist in the chroot, otherwise the ssh daemon will not continue. |
| 02:21.41 | eifzon | I dont understand how to do that tho |
| 02:21.54 | tarzeau | the backports are for etch (i use those for at work) |
| 02:22.04 | tarzeau | one is to test the sound and network, the other for the 3d |
| 02:22.13 | abrotman | eifzon: did you read the *whole* page ? |
| 02:22.23 | eifzon | yes I am not done with it yet |
| 02:22.37 | eifzon | but how do I add the users home directory to the chroot? |
| 02:22.47 | abrotman | eifzon: read the whole page first |
| 02:22.51 | BlackMagik | how do i set the time and make it stick. if i do date --set 21:21:0 then do > date it doesn't show me the new time? |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | eifzon: and then think if you really want to do that |
| 02:23.05 | eifzon | abrotman: I do |
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| 02:23.13 | icesword | i am in a shell,how to know how many cpus i have |
| 02:23.15 | abrotman | eifzon: so you've read the whole page ? |
| 02:23.18 | eifzon | no! :P |
| 02:23.20 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.25 | abrotman | eifzon: read the whole page first |
| 02:23.26 | abrotman | eifzon: and then think if you really want to do that |
| 02:23.31 | tarzeau | icesword: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 02:23.53 | akuwamari | tarzeau: thanks |
| 02:24.08 | eifzon | abrotman: but isnt there any easier way to restrict a user to like just irssi? |
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| 02:24.42 | icesword | tarzeau, that it is from cpu 0 to cpu 7,is it means i have eight cpus |
| 02:24.42 | tarzeau | eifzon: give him the binary and let him run it on his computer? |
| 02:24.52 | tarzeau | icesword: yes |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | eifzon: why can't your friend install debian on his machine ? |
| 02:25.07 | eifzon | cause he cant :D |
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| 02:25.19 | icesword | tarzeau, what,hahahaha,i have eight cpus on one machine,hahahahha |
| 02:25.21 | el_isma | eifzon: why can't you trust your friend? :) |
| 02:25.24 | tarzeau | eifzon: you install it, and he brings the beer? |
| 02:25.26 | ApOgEE- | eifzon: did he read the manual? |
| 02:25.32 | eifzon | tarzeau: yah :d |
| 02:25.34 | tarzeau | icesword: so what? |
| 02:25.54 | icesword | i just cannot believe it,i have 4g ram,hha |
| 02:26.15 | tarzeau | icesword: i have 200 mahines and like 300 cpus :) several terabytes storage, gigabit internet and several gigabytes if not a tb memory |
| 02:26.27 | tarzeau | icesword: does it get you laid? |
| 02:26.33 | icesword | :( |
| 02:26.47 | el_isma | tarzeau: does it get you laid? :P |
| 02:26.49 | eifzon | gonnna try athing now |
| 02:26.50 | eifzon | brb |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: does it get you laid? :) |
| 02:26.56 | tarzeau | el_isma: not that, but yes i do |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 02:27.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: wtf. that's my question! |
| 02:27.04 | icesword | i just couldn't understand why is so many cpus is used for |
| 02:27.05 | el_isma | lol, abrotman |
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| 02:30.09 | Malf | can anyone think of something besides xset r off that might be disabling auto-repeat on my keyboard? |
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| 02:30.12 | akuwamari | Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: phyton-support |
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| 02:30.21 | tarzeau | Malf: some games do |
| 02:30.21 | akuwamari | truing to install bubbros |
| 02:30.43 | craigevil | Malf: funguloids turns off auto-repeat every time you run it |
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| 02:30.52 | tarzeau | akuwamari: http://krum.ethz.ch/backports/python-support/ |
| 02:30.59 | Malf | I guess really my question should be such that xset r on doesn't fix it |
| 02:31.21 | tarzeau | Malf: never seen that |
| 02:31.39 | Malf | me either until just now |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | icesword: can you show us the output of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
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| 02:32.05 | icesword | abrotman, why should i |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | why can't you? |
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| 02:33.22 | icesword | wait a min |
| 02:35.02 | Malf | my keyboard is being otherwise shady actually |
| 02:35.03 | Malf | hmm |
| 02:35.04 | akuwamari | to run bubbros ? |
| 02:35.08 | akuwamari | what command ? |
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| 02:35.50 | Portager | hello |
| 02:37.32 | vlt | start=0; for file in *.vob; do loop=$(losetup -vf $file | awk '{print $4}'); size=$(sudo blockdev --getsz $loop); echo $start $size linear $loop 0; start=$(($start+$size)); done | dmsetup create vob |
| 02:37.43 | vlt | Is there an easier wy to do this? |
| 02:37.48 | vlt | *way |
| 02:38.11 | tarzeau | akuwamari: /usr/games/bubbros |
| 02:38.28 | icesword | clear |
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| 02:38.53 | icesword | abrotman, that is |
| 02:38.57 | akuwamari | thanks |
| 02:39.01 | akuwamari | already running |
| 02:39.06 | akuwamari | is good for my child |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | wow .. very useful |
| 02:39.11 | Portager | i'm having some problems with my home network.. all started when i tried to set up wireless.. now my ethernets wont ping each other |
| 02:39.18 | Portager | caon someone help me? |
| 02:39.19 | tarzeau | akuwamari: yeah |
| 02:39.21 | Portager | *can |
| 02:39.40 | icesword | ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-13etch5 GNU C Library:shared libraries |
| 02:39.49 | Nyle | !ping |
| 02:39.50 | dpkg | pong |
| 02:40.02 | vlt | Portager: What does `ifconfig` say? |
| 02:40.09 | icesword | abrotman, what is it for |
| 02:40.14 | icesword | abrotman, you got it |
| 02:40.52 | akuwamari | hummm, is GPL ? |
| 02:40.55 | vlt | Portager: Your ethernet device (eth0?) and its IP address (if any) is interesting. |
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| 02:41.36 | Portager | vlt, eth0 , ip: 192.168.0.1 and the other pc eth1 ip: 192.168.0.2 |
| 02:41.44 | akuwamari | my vrms reported 100% free packages |
| 02:41.51 | akuwamari | in my system |
| 02:42.02 | vlt | Portager: Ok, then `ip route`? |
| 02:42.30 | icesword | abrotman, Mr Brotman ,do exlain |
| 02:42.35 | icesword | explain |
| 02:43.43 | amphi | akuwamari: same here - I build my unfree packages from src ;) |
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| 02:44.53 | icesword | abrotman, you got me confused and curious |
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| 02:51.18 | Malf | Well restarting X fixed whatever keyboard issues I was having so I guess that's cool. |
| 02:51.52 | icesword | ok |
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| 02:59.21 | jim | hi |
| 02:59.24 | bahadunn | hi |
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| 02:59.48 | jim | oh, right, just remembered my question :) |
| 03:00.58 | icesword | jim, hi |
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| 03:01.59 | jim | ok, I have a pair of amd machines, one's much older. I'd like to paste the /proc/cpuinfo of each, and kernel config of the kernel I'm using for both... would someone like to take a look at how the cpu part of it is set and tell me what the implications are for each cpu? |
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| 03:02.12 | jim | well pasteBIN, not paste |
| 03:03.25 | bahadunn | I would look but I am too tired |
| 03:03.38 | wad | Where would be a good channel to ask questions about code development for X? |
| 03:03.56 | icesword | #xorg? |
| 03:03.59 | jim | maybe there's an #xorg-dev? |
| 03:04.02 | wad | icesword: thanks! |
| 03:04.08 | jim | ##c? |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | jim: just paste ? |
| 03:04.18 | icesword | abrotman, sir |
| 03:04.23 | jim | abrotman, getting there :) |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | sir? |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | you sure? |
| 03:04.48 | icesword | abrotman, you just asked me a command ,what is it for |
| 03:04.55 | reZo | does anyone know the package name or how to install tremor vorbis encoding support for mpd? |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | ogg vorbis ? |
| 03:05.06 | reZo | i'm trying to set up mpd for shout output, |
| 03:05.10 | jim | sure sir with spurs sir. |
| 03:05.15 | reZo | perhaps, i'll check ogg vorbis |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | i thought shoutcast could play anything ? |
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| 03:05.30 | reZo | icecast, not shoutcast |
| 03:05.41 | reZo | and mpd needs shout support in order to output to icecast |
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| 03:05.54 | jim | pastebin.ca won't pick up my /proc/cpuinfo... |
| 03:06.03 | icesword | abrotman, why you treat me so rude |
| 03:06.31 | jim | hay a brotman... why youtreat me so meeeennn... |
| 03:06.35 | jim | hay a brotman... why youtreat me so meeeennn... |
| 03:06.50 | jim | If I didn't know better, I can feel it in my spleeeennnn....\ |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | paste.debian.net ? |
| 03:07.14 | jim | I'll try that |
| 03:07.15 | peterS | I'm confused, can you expleeeennnn? |
| 03:08.00 | jim | it won't do it :) I guess perms are not read |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | not for you |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | oh .. yes it is |
| 03:08.28 | jim | true |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | cat it to a file |
| 03:08.54 | jim | actually it is read only, so it should have worked... ok, catting... this is going to take me a minute |
| 03:09.35 | icesword | cat >*.txt |
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| 03:10.26 | peterS | there should be a shell builtin for cat, called =^_^= |
| 03:10.46 | Malf | true |
| 03:10.59 | Malf | POSIX compliance should require it |
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| 03:11.42 | peterS | did the commodore PET implement something like that? |
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| 03:18.30 | jim | ok, it's pasted. the url is http://paste.debian.net/50236 |
| 03:18.56 | jim | the top section has my question, below are some pieces of info. |
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| 03:19.02 | abrotman | jim: was that really worth it? :) |
| 03:19.10 | jim | sure :) |
| 03:19.35 | jim | I wish everyone would do it this way, because then they could add it to like a scrapbook |
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| 03:20.48 | abrotman | jim: you're using the same config for both ? |
| 03:20.50 | peterS | jim: the first thing better is to use a 64-bit kernel on the 64-bit machine. that does mean not using the same kernel on both. but beside that point, anything else related to kernel config is really small potatoes |
| 03:20.53 | jim | yes |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | jim: that's an awful idea |
| 03:21.18 | peterS | not that the 32-bit kernel won't _work_, but seriously, if you have a 64-bit CPU, what's the point? |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | jim: you're limiting both systems to instruction sets with out pentium extensions |
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| 03:22.12 | jim | well I want to find out too, if I'm doing a bad thing by not doing k6 on the old one |
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| 03:22.35 | abrotman | k6 is at least 586 if not 586MMX |
| 03:22.54 | peterS | well, the kernel has a config option for K6 specifically. and yes, it includes MMX. |
| 03:23.15 | peterS | but 486 vs. K6 is way way way less interesting than 486 vs. 64-bit |
| 03:23.18 | abrotman | oh .. i missed the K6 option |
| 03:23.19 | jim | ok, could that be why the old one is -really- sluggish? |
| 03:23.33 | abrotman | no .. that's just cause k6 was awful :) |
| 03:23.42 | abrotman | k6-2 was better |
| 03:23.53 | jim | yeah, but it's presently more interesing to me because that machine is so horribly slow |
| 03:23.58 | DustyBin | guys its friday night and you are talking about CPUS? |
| 03:24.05 | abrotman | DustyBin: you're on IRC .. |
| 03:24.17 | abrotman | jim: just compile the correct kernel for each machine |
| 03:24.20 | DustyBin | there are women out there ----> |
| 03:24.44 | peterS | DustyBin: yeah and you're in here, what's your point? (: |
| 03:24.49 | jim | yes, and I'm going to go play with some tonite too |
| 03:24.52 | craigevil | saw one of those once, back when there were dinosaurs |
| 03:25.03 | peterS | jim: the K6 option is a start. I don't know if it makes a huge difference. |
| 03:25.04 | jim | it's only 7:30 right now |
| 03:25.51 | jim | let me see if diff shows me what I did |
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| 03:26.06 | streuner | hm |
| 03:27.28 | streuner | DustyBin: who told you that you are only able to go out fridays? |
| 03:28.52 | jim | chicks get off on fri too :) |
| 03:28.54 | DustyBin | is one able to rsync data from a ext3 partition to a fat32 partition? |
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| 03:29.29 | DustyBin | or should one make both partitions the same file system |
| 03:30.19 | peterS | DustyBin: rsync should work fine between the two. a few caveats: (1) ext3 allows full range of unix filenames, meaning any bytes are fair game except NUL and "/". FAT is much more restricted as to legal filenames, like you can't use ":" for example. that complicates file synchs sometimes |
| 03:30.35 | DustyBin | are there any differences in lost bytes when you compare a vfat filesystem format and a ext3 file system format? |
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| 03:30.55 | peterS | DustyBin: and (2) FAT provides timestamps only to a resolution of 2 seconds, if I remember correctly, so I think rsync has a flag to compensate for this and detect that two timestamps (from different filesystems) really are supposed to be the same |
| 03:31.07 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 03:31.24 | jim | ok, looking at the diffs, it doesn't seem the config changed much... my config seems to lack a coupla devices, is all |
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| 03:31.43 | metrix | what is the proper place/proper way to make xen guest domains startup on boot? |
| 03:31.50 | peterS | oh yeah and as part of (1), note that on FAT you can't have two files whose only difference is upper/lowercase, like "Makefile" and "makefile". rsync will run into problems if your ext3 filesystem has anything like that in it |
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| 03:32.26 | DustyBin | im going to rip my entire cd collection into FLAC for archiving |
| 03:32.29 | jim | yeah, I gotta get back into xen or some other virtualization |
| 03:32.37 | emers | hello |
| 03:32.39 | jim | what's a flac |
| 03:32.40 | peterS | metrix: symlinks in /etc/xen/auto |
| 03:32.52 | DustyBin | Free Lossless Audio Codec |
| 03:33.00 | peterS | jim: FLAC is the free lossless audio codec, a file format for compressed audio recordings |
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| 03:33.11 | jim | peterS: where's the docs on /etc/xen/auto? |
| 03:33.29 | jim | the symlinks point to what, the config file? |
| 03:33.29 | peterS | jim: dunno, I don't actually know much about xen, but I did happen to notice that on someone else's dom0 |
| 03:33.36 | metrix | PeterS thank you |
| 03:33.43 | peterS | jim: yeah, the config file. like /etc/xen/auto/foo -> ../foo |
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| 03:34.05 | emers | I am trying to use lynx to read some RSS files. the problem is that some sites has only zipped RSS files available |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | wget | gunzip | lynx ? |
| 03:34.29 | emers | in mos of distros. the lynx can read this url, but with debian do not |
| 03:35.00 | emers | $ lynx -dump http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/index.rdf > /tmp/XX |
| 03:35.07 | DustyBin | anyone here used kde4? and opinons? |
| 03:35.08 | emers | $ file /tmp/XX |
| 03:35.09 | emers | /tmp/XX: gzip compressed data, from Unix |
| 03:35.20 | kgoetz | 'mos of distros' meaning? |
| 03:35.37 | emers | fedora, suse, mandriva |
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| 03:35.47 | streuner | !+tell DustryBin -about kde4 |
| 03:35.47 | dpkg | told DustryBin about kde4. |
| 03:36.02 | abrotman | spell it right ? |
| 03:36.15 | icesword | haha |
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| 03:36.30 | DustyBin | why do fedoras fonts look nicer than lennys fonts even though they both use the same version of freetype? |
| 03:36.44 | peterS | maybe they turn on autohinting or something? |
| 03:36.51 | jim | DustyBin: what are the possibilities? |
| 03:36.57 | DustyBin | i dont know, ive tried lots of stuff |
| 03:37.02 | jim | if the fonts are the same, that would rule out the fonts, yes? |
| 03:37.08 | peterS | there are microsoft patents related to hinting, maybe debian is afraid to use it |
| 03:37.12 | DustyBin | its the way the fonts are rendered |
| 03:37.16 | DustyBin | not the actual fonts |
| 03:37.19 | emers | any idea about that? |
| 03:37.36 | streuner | DustyBin: why do you mostly ask a question which contains a statement? |
| 03:37.43 | peterS | DustyBin: also the X server may not be configured to think about LCD sub-pixel ordering |
| 03:37.53 | DustyBin | ok |
| 03:38.11 | peterS | I mean if you aren't on an LCD you don't want that anyway, and if you are, you need to know whether it's RGB or BGR |
| 03:38.27 | jim | DustyBin: wouldn't that be a partial answer to your question? |
| 03:38.29 | peterS | I was amused a couple months ago to note that Windows XP _cannot_ do BGR sub-pixel - you have to disable it if you have one of those |
| 03:38.35 | DustyBin | aye yes |
| 03:38.42 | peterS | MS KB even said so. that really surprised me |
| 03:38.55 | icesword | xorg is low version |
| 03:39.05 | DustyBin | mac os x fonts look like they have too much alias |
| 03:39.08 | jim | I'm just trying to get you to run a process-of-elimination thought process |
| 03:39.20 | DustyBin | windows xp fonts look nice for bitmap fonts |
| 03:39.33 | jim | (first step: fonts are exactly the same... so that can't be the difference) |
| 03:39.40 | DustyBin | vista fonts look similar to mac os x fonts |
| 03:40.39 | DustyBin | linux fonts look different on every distro i install |
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| 03:40.52 | streuner | .oO (changeling...) |
| 03:40.54 | DustyBin | fedora looks the best |
| 03:41.03 | streuner | halleluja |
| 03:41.04 | emers | $ lynx -dump http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/index.rdf | egrep '[a-z]' |
| 03:41.04 | emers | Arquivo binário (entrada padrão) casa com o padrão |
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| 03:41.38 | peterS | emers: speak english, or see #debian-br |
| 03:41.42 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I add the main debian repo, such that it will only consult it if I explicitly tell it to? (I want to use my DVD's whenever possible) |
| 03:41.49 | Arafangion | Except my DVD's do not have glfw. |
| 03:42.24 | emers | peterS, sorry. the command output was in portuguese |
| 03:42.26 | peterS | Arafangion: put the network lines after the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. whatever comes first will be preferred |
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| 03:42.44 | Arafangion | peterS: That's so simple I would never have thought! :) |
| 03:42.49 | peterS | (: |
| 03:42.49 | Arafangion | peterS: Thanks. :) |
| 03:42.59 | jim | (:) |
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| 03:43.09 | emers | p$ lynx -dump http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/index.rdf | egrep '[a-z]' |
| 03:43.09 | emers | Binary file (standard input) matches |
| 03:43.42 | Arafangion | Bleh, looks like glfw isn't in debian anyway. |
| 03:44.00 | jim | no worries, get the source and build it yourself |
| 03:44.06 | Arafangion | jim: Indeed. ;) |
| 03:44.40 | jim | that's one of the best parts of debian... it's renowned for the stability of the compilers |
| 03:45.02 | Arafangion | jim: But I'm really trying not to add libraries to the build itself unless I can't help it. (Because I'm also doing this project on windows, and windows is a <censored> piece of <censored> for such things) |
| 03:45.28 | jim | well I can't really help that... |
| 03:45.44 | Arafangion | jim: Damn, what do I pay you for!?!? |
| 03:46.09 | jim | I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here at the point you brought up windows: do you want to have your resulting thing run under both oses? |
| 03:46.22 | jim | pay me? NOW you're talking! |
| 03:46.29 | Arafangion | jim: Ha! |
| 03:46.29 | streuner | hehe |
| 03:48.03 | reZo | anyone here know anything about how icecast2's mount points work? |
| 03:48.11 | jim | (I recently read a reply post on guitar player Scott Henderson's forum... something to the effect of: "your question is a teaching question, and teaching questions require money") |
| 03:48.50 | Arafangion | jim: I'm trying to make a portable game platform in lua, but the majority of the underlying platform itself is done in C++. |
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| 03:49.28 | jim | Allan Holub said C++ is pretty much a moving target... that could be a challenge |
| 03:49.33 | Arafangion | jim: I did it for uni, but I'm rewriting the entire thing again, because the original project quality was crap. :) Of course, now that I've started full time work, my progress is slow, but still... |
| 03:49.56 | jim | what's a lua? |
| 03:50.11 | Arafangion | jim: Lua is a very nice scripting/embedded language. |
| 03:50.41 | streuner | Isnt ion written in lua? |
| 03:50.47 | jim | so, C++ extensions are written for and added to a particular copy of lua? |
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| 03:51.52 | Arafangion | jim: Well, in effect lua 'packages' are a plugin for my platform, which is able to run such plugins as games. Nothing that novel, really. |
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| 03:54.25 | Arafangion | jim: But in making an easy-to-use portable gaming platform, I hope to fill a niche and allow linux, mac, and windows to have the game (amature) games. |
| 03:54.42 | Arafangion | jim: Though, strictly speaking, this isn't the first time this has been done. |
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| 03:55.53 | jim | do you want to include 3d stuff? |
| 03:56.19 | jim | would doom with barneys be expressible in it? :) |
| 03:56.20 | Arafangion | jim: Yup. I'm considering Ogre, actually. |
| 03:57.01 | Arafangion | jim: Heh, in about 5 years once the framework is complete, you are welcome to develop a doom-with-barneys lua game for it. ;) |
| 03:57.20 | jim | oh man, so you're at the beginning now? |
| 03:57.34 | Arafangion | jim: real-time multiplayer functionality is going to be the last things to be added, as it's damn hard to do in a simple fashion. |
| 03:57.43 | jim | btw, I'd be happy to test someone's barney doom :) |
| 03:57.55 | enouf | ok folks, i know i've seen documentation about the limit of amount of "loop" devices, i know the standard is 8 (loop0 - loop7) , but i think one can expand that up to 255/256 ? i cannot find any docs about it - i even searched source Kconfig files ala; $ find . -name 'Kconfig' -exec grep -Eli '(loop.*dev|dev.*loop)' {} \; |
| 03:58.14 | emers | guys, sorry to bother you. I will try again :) |
| 03:58.22 | Arafangion | jim: I am at the beginning of the rewrite, yes, the original version is in directX, and does not do multiplayer in any form or fashion, except for a very limited "vnc" like fashion. |
| 03:58.22 | enouf | then read those results |
| 03:58.36 | jim | enouf: try reading the loop.c file, see if it has docs at the top |
| 03:58.37 | emers | I have tested the following command with suse and other distros: |
| 03:58.37 | enouf | i even grepped /etc/ |
| 03:58.43 | enouf | jim: ok ;-) |
| 03:58.49 | emers | $ lynx -dump http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/index.rdf | egrep '[a-z]' |
| 03:59.06 | emers | at debian, I got the output: |
| 03:59.09 | jim | I think you have to change a number and recompile, or echo a number to some proc file or something like that |
| 03:59.14 | emers | Binary file (standard input) matches |
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| 03:59.29 | lollp | Is anyone here familiar with eciadsl? |
| 03:59.38 | emers | using suse, I got the RSS html |
| 03:59.46 | emers | any idea? |
| 03:59.48 | jim | lollp: what's a eciadsl? |
| 03:59.54 | enouf | jim: bingo on info! * max_loop=<1-255> to the kernel on boot. |
| 04:00.11 | jim | enouf: cool :) |
| 04:00.18 | enouf | jim: and more ;-) |
| 04:00.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.22 | jim | from the loop.c file? |
| 04:00.28 | enouf | yep |
| 04:00.33 | Arafangion | lollp: Except for jim, nobody will answer such a question. |
| 04:00.37 | jim | oh, that's the change log? |
| 04:00.42 | enouf | in ./drivers/block/loop.c |
| 04:00.49 | jim | ahh |
| 04:00.51 | enouf | header , comments |
| 04:00.56 | jim | nice :) |
| 04:00.58 | lollp | cheers i didnt think anyone would know |
| 04:01.04 | jim | see, I do know something :) |
| 04:01.12 | enouf | yes - now, where's the CONFIG ? i looked for that first :-( |
| 04:01.14 | Arafangion | lollp: In the real/physical world, you might get at best a "shrug", but unless you managed to extract someone for a cup of coffee, you'd likely be ignored even then. |
| 04:01.39 | Arafangion | lollp: In other words, just ask the damn question! :) |
| 04:02.04 | enouf | ~$ grep LOOP /boot/config-`uname -r` says nothing about number of devices :-( |
| 04:02.07 | jim | lollp: yeah, just ask what you want to know... and include a tiein to something you -want- |
| 04:02.31 | enouf | i mean, i think it's in some /etc file IIRC |
| 04:02.37 | enouf | sysctl or something? |
| 04:02.38 | jim | enouf: so my first guess was wrong, and so was my second :) |
| 04:02.42 | lollp | I needd to know if anone here uses eciadsl to run a usb adsl modem, I dont know how to get it to work |
| 04:02.42 | enouf | haha |
| 04:02.49 | jim | but you found the right thing anyway |
| 04:02.57 | enouf | right - thank you |
| 04:03.39 | jim | sure, np... (that's a fairly prevalent general thing, some kernel hacks like to document what they do so that it's kinda useful) |
| 04:04.29 | enouf | getting closer ; $ grep 8 /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep -iE 'blk|loop' |
| 04:04.34 | jim | enouf: maybe if you don't say any loop number at boot, it defaults to 8 |
| 04:04.38 | enouf | still no go :-) |
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| 04:04.54 | enouf | hrm - me checks kernel-parameters.txt |
| 04:05.05 | enouf | already looked at devices.txt |
| 04:05.11 | Arafangion | jim: I was under the impression that there are only three numbers relevant to programmers. |
| 04:05.24 | jim | 1, 2, and many? |
| 04:05.40 | Arafangion | jim: No, 0, 1, and "infinity". |
| 04:05.49 | jim | 0, 1 and 666! |
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| 04:05.57 | enouf | jim: it certainly is configurable at boot http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L984 |
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| 04:06.32 | enouf | jim: but i'm going to grep the startup scripts in /etc/ -- i bet it's defined in the initrd :-P |
| 04:06.33 | jim | enouf: yeah, so you'd put that in your /boot/grub/menu.lst on the kernel line |
| 04:06.50 | enouf | jim: but 8 has to be defined somewhere ;-) |
| 04:07.11 | jim | if you take that 8 and shoot it, it becomes infinity... |
| 04:07.24 | enouf | jim: funny, cause i remember seeing it long ago - i just forgot ;-) |
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| 04:07.37 | enouf | !8ball yoyo ma |
| 04:07.38 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 04:07.40 | Arafangion | jim: We have a zero-tolerance policy against guns in my country. |
| 04:07.57 | jim | how's that going for you? :) |
| 04:08.11 | enouf | jim: and what about if i blast it with atomic annie? O_o |
| 04:08.23 | Arafangion | jim: For me personally, or for the country's crime? ;) |
| 04:08.44 | jim | if inlaws were outlawed, only outlaws would have inlaws... |
| 04:09.19 | Arafangion | jim: Yet, it has positively impacted on the choice of weapons used for (criminal) violence. |
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| 04:10.35 | jim | I'm going to leave that subject for now, if that's ok |
| 04:10.46 | Arafangion | jim: You're more than welcome. :) |
| 04:11.06 | Arafangion | jim: I really need to go and make some tea to drink. :) |
| 04:11.19 | jim | just had some good green tea |
| 04:11.41 | abrotman | tea and coffee suck equally |
| 04:11.42 | Arafangion | jim: A good green tea is good stuff indeed. :) |
| 04:11.58 | Arafangion | abrotman: I would say that for both tea and coffee, there's a large proportion of utter crap. |
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| 04:13.08 | abrotman | Arafangion: no .. they are utter crap :) |
| 04:13.29 | Arafangion | abrotman: I'll let you believe that - leave more of the _good_ stuff for me. :) |
| 04:13.30 | abrotman | Arafangion: can't stand the smell of coffee .. and tea tastes like poo .. and i'm allergic to green tea |
| 04:13.36 | jim | abrotman: going back to my paste, can I stay this side of the 32/64 bit line and still get things like support for the second core? |
| 04:13.46 | abrotman | jim: sure |
| 04:14.16 | jim | it's an amd64x2, what's the best cpu to pick in kernel config? |
| 04:14.21 | abrotman | jim: they did have SMP 486 boxen you know .. |
| 04:14.30 | abrotman | jim: the em64t/amd64 |
| 04:15.07 | jim | I really don't want a 64b kernel... can I avoid that and get pretty good performance? |
| 04:15.10 | enouf | jim: * (2) if max_loop is not specified, create 8 loop device on module --> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/block/loop.c#L1483 |
| 04:15.32 | jim | enouf: heyy!! I got one right! |
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| 04:16.16 | jim | brb |
| 04:16.39 | enouf | jim: perhaps if CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m was =y, then some other entry defining amount might get added to the config |
| 04:16.54 | enouf | but as a module 8 is default ;-) thanks |
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| 04:20.06 | abrotman | jim: why are you trying to run the same kernel on two machines ? |
| 04:20.34 | jim | enouf: guessing again here... doesn't seem that way according to the documentation by the loop device driver author... I'm guessing the default will be 8 no matter whether you compile as a module or in the kernel monolithically |
| 04:20.55 | enouf | jim: perhaps, i can't read c O_o |
| 04:21.26 | jim | abrotman: I'm not... but I don't want to do a 64 bit kernel on the new machine because I want the nvidia driver to keep workin :) |
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| 04:21.38 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 04:21.42 | enouf | jim: now - what's your issue? |
| 04:21.57 | enouf | hehe - oh, nvidia garb |
| 04:22.05 | enouf | slippery slope - no lube |
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| 04:22.31 | jim | I'm not confident that going with a 64 bit kernel will allow the module to be built properly |
| 04:23.11 | enouf | IIRC, someone i know on gentoo tried that - had to enable highmem64G=y in kernel to use the 64bit nvidia driver - but he tried to find a temporary way around without recompiling - i think he failed :-) |
| 04:23.17 | jim | I might change my mind later... but I'd want to make a list of the drivers I actually need first, and make sure they all work |
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| 04:23.50 | jim | enouf: good to know |
| 04:23.52 | enouf | (i might be wrong about that config param, and it might need others too) |
| 04:23.57 | babilen | any idea how backports.org is going to be offline? |
| 04:24.04 | enouf | jim: PM real quick? |
| 04:24.06 | babilen | s/how/how long/ |
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| 04:24.17 | abrotman | babilen: until it's back ? |
| 04:24.40 | jim | it's going to be offline by getting stuck cooking eggs while balancing anchovies on its mount point |
| 04:25.05 | jim | oh, how -long- |
| 04:25.12 | jim | that's different... |
| 04:25.20 | jim | never mind! |
| 04:25.37 | enouf | !wid |
| 04:25.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wid is "When It's Done", or see also "wir" and "rsn", or see pn |
| 04:26.25 | babilen | but i can assume it's a temporary failure and that millions of monkeys are working right now to fix the problem? |
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| 04:26.44 | abrotman | babilen: it's friday night .. maybe a dozen monkeys |
| 04:27.01 | jim | that's all what are available... |
| 04:27.13 | enouf | abrotman: getting any snow there? |
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| 04:27.30 | enouf | are you in WI? or PA? |
| 04:27.32 | abrotman | enouf: you want me to get up don't you ? |
| 04:27.41 | babilen | jim: i will tell that story to my gf the next time she insists that computers are machines without a soul.. |
| 04:27.41 | enouf | nope - boobtube :-P |
| 04:27.44 | abrotman | i'm in pa .. |
| 04:27.55 | enouf | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 04:27.56 | streuner | babilen: 2, and they prolly sleep now... |
| 04:28.17 | enouf | abrotman: i heard the plows going by - :-) |
| 04:28.26 | enouf | oh, yeah, you got some |
| 04:28.45 | enouf | philly will be seeing a lesser amount .. |
| 04:28.52 | jim | babilen: hopefully the people that talk on networks supported by computers have souls... |
| 04:29.09 | abrotman | enouf: i just looked outside .. we have .. 0.00000" |
| 04:29.48 | enouf | abrotman: it's on it's way - santa told me so O_o |
| 04:29.59 | abrotman | enouf: radar says it's all headed your way |
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| 04:36.18 | eifzon | Why do I get this error when I am trying to start irssi from my jailed user? irssi: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so.5.8:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:36.21 | jim | abrotman: I'm not sure I should be bugging you about this... but I still don't have a fair idea of which 32-bit cpu is close enough to the amd64 which will make it quicker than it is without doing a 64b kernel... also would I enable smp? |
| 04:36.39 | abrotman | -k7 |
| 04:36.43 | enouf | abrotman: i'm ready - i got a couple of dump trucks ready todeliver you some |
| 04:36.47 | abrotman | and if you want SMP .. enable it |
| 04:36.49 | jim | ok thanks :) |
| 04:37.03 | jim | would doing so get me support for the second core? |
| 04:37.08 | abrotman | yes |
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| 04:37.14 | abrotman | you know .. that's kind of what SMP means :) |
| 04:37.17 | jim | very very very very cool :) |
| 04:37.19 | enouf | jim: smp for dual core or dual cpu |
| 04:37.28 | abrotman | !smp |
| 04:37.28 | dpkg | i guess smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 04:37.50 | enouf | or even p4 w/HT |
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| 04:38.00 | enouf | er maybe not, hrm |
| 04:38.02 | abrotman | HT is a hack .. and useless |
| 04:38.07 | enouf | there;s HT config options |
| 04:38.10 | jim | that guy larry mcvoy talked at a san francisco linux meeting and he was talking about different types of clusters |
| 04:38.21 | jim | this was at least 5 years ago |
| 04:38.27 | eifzon | Why do I get this error when I am trying to start irssi from my jailed user? irssi: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so.5.8:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:38.35 | enouf | what do you expect from SF :-P |
| 04:38.37 | eifzon | Where is the libperk.so.5.8 file locaed? |
| 04:38.44 | jim | mmm... |
| 04:38.53 | enouf | ooops, i meant berkeley :-P |
| 04:39.07 | jim | farms! |
| 04:39.32 | enouf | they gave us all those nice licenses that allow the CCCP to steal tech ;-) |
| 04:39.58 | jim | oh you mean the bsd license |
| 04:40.11 | enouf | and no cccp != russian soviet stuff |
| 04:40.13 | enouf | yep |
| 04:40.21 | jim | that basically says "Here. but don't say "berkeley" in your literature." |
| 04:40.27 | enouf | cccp == corporate commie capitalist pigs |
| 04:41.01 | Guerin | enouf: you contradicted yourself |
| 04:41.06 | enouf | eifzon: you knwo search? |
| 04:41.10 | enouf | Guerin: nope |
| 04:41.13 | abrotman | eifzon: because you put him in a chroot .. and oyu don't know what that means |
| 04:41.14 | jim | well kerberos was under a different license, and now they know they should have put it under something closer to GPL |
| 04:41.18 | eifzon | enouf: I did whereis libperl, it dont show |
| 04:41.20 | enouf | Guerin: welfare for the rich ;-) |
| 04:41.31 | enouf | !tell eifzon -about search |
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| 04:42.06 | Guerin | enouf: no, i mean, the soviets *were* cccp by your definition |
| 04:42.15 | eifzon | it says its already installed |
| 04:42.18 | exobyte | what does ?= mean in a makefile? |
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| 04:42.36 | enouf | Guerin: oh right - yes, my bad - i couldn't think of how to say that |
| 04:42.39 | jim | if it's already defined, don't change it (don't perform that assignment)\ |
| 04:42.44 | jim | see: info make |
| 04:43.17 | enouf | Guerin: just most associate 'cccp' with 'russian', whatever |
| 04:43.35 | jim | back in the cc back in the cc back in the cccp |
| 04:43.49 | enouf | but sigh, it's OT, and i'll stop - was just a jab |
| 04:43.54 | exobyte | jim: /?= doesn't bring anything up |
| 04:44.03 | enouf | eifzon: what says? |
| 04:44.15 | eifzon | enouf: I dont got libperl5.8 it seems |
| 04:44.22 | eifzon | irssi: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so.5.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:44.24 | enouf | !installit |
| 04:44.24 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 04:44.26 | jim | do you see something that looks more like a man page? |
| 04:44.53 | streuner | enouf: libperl.so.5.8? |
| 04:45.00 | enouf | eifzon: sounds likes a chroot issue perhaps then, if it exists on your HDD out of jail |
| 04:45.02 | streuner | !find libperl.so.5.8 |
| 04:45.11 | enouf | streuner: i don't know, i never searched for it |
| 04:45.14 | abrotman | enouf: you think ? |
| 04:45.19 | enouf | it's no my yob |
| 04:45.41 | enouf | abrotman: if it exists on his HDD - but who knows |
| 04:45.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libperl.so.5.8' (2): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libperl.so.5.8.8) in perl/perl-debug ;; (/usr/lib/{libperl.so.5.8|libperl.so.5.8.8}) in libs/libperl5.8. |
| 04:46.16 | abrotman | enouf: you're seriously ? |
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| 04:46.47 | jim | ok, I'll rebuild into a k6 and a k7 w/smp |
| 04:49.05 | jim | what's the libs I need for make xconfig? |
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| 04:49.58 | jim | !depends linux-headers-2.6.18-i386 |
| 04:50.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 04:50.21 | jim | hey! stop hitting me! |
| 04:50.26 | jim | that's virulent! |
| 04:50.33 | abrotman | and you're old and fragile ? |
| 04:50.40 | jim | well |
| 04:51.01 | jim | it's not fun being hit! |
| 04:51.10 | billgatess | hi i have a few questions, i have windows installed on my pc, i already checked most of the debian website faq, have my partition done and im almost ready to install debian but i missed an important point, once i install debian how can i choose to boot either windows or debian, and how can i make windows to boot default and debian just when i choose to |
| 04:51.46 | jim | billgatess: is the partition on the same disk as the windows? |
| 04:51.47 | abrotman | billgatess: when grub installs .. it should setup windows .. if not you can change grub later |
| 04:51.54 | billgatess | jim yes |
| 04:51.57 | baloo_ | billgatess: That should have happened automatically during installation unless you changed the defaults at partitioning, in which you very likely installed over Windows instead of alongside it. |
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| 04:52.07 | jim | and that's the disk you boot from? |
| 04:52.18 | billgatess | jim yes |
| 04:52.25 | billgatess | baloo_ i havent installed debian yet |
| 04:52.26 | baloo_ | billgatess: That being said, if you're trying to wean yourself off Windows, your default option should be Debian, not Windows, the latter being used extremely sparingly. |
| 04:52.27 | enouf | jim: did you say k6? wtf? |
| 04:52.28 | jim | that should work fine |
| 04:52.38 | enouf | jim: k6 and amd64 == bad :-P |
| 04:52.44 | jim | yeah, I have a k6 as my gateway |
| 04:52.57 | jim | the k7 is going to be for the amd64 |
| 04:52.58 | billgatess | baloo dont come with shittalk to me pls, i need help not retards trying to be leet, kthx |
| 04:52.59 | abrotman | baloo: do you ever /nick Bagheera ? :) |
| 04:53.02 | enouf | oh, two separate boxen |
| 04:53.31 | jim | trussssssttt in meee.... jussssssst in meee... close your eyes... and trussssst in me... |
| 04:53.40 | jim | this is which jungle book character? |
| 04:53.42 | enouf | jim: -k7 for etch only, otherwise -686 |
| 04:53.44 | enouf | iinm |
| 04:53.53 | baloo | billgatess: I wasn't talking shit. Changing operating systems is Not Trivial. If you're trying to migrate away from Windows, you ARE setting yourself up for failure if you make Windows your default boot option. |
| 04:53.56 | abrotman | bagheera is the panther |
| 04:54.01 | jim | etch only? yes this is etch |
| 04:54.03 | enouf | k7 removed |
| 04:54.04 | billgatess | jim so how can i choose? do i have to install a boot software? |
| 04:54.08 | enouf | gah |
| 04:54.08 | jim | true, but he didn't sing that line |
| 04:54.27 | baloo | enouf: k7=i686 |
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| 04:54.46 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 04:54.46 | dpkg | methinks k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 04:54.48 | abrotman | billgatess: debian will install a bootloader(grub) .. grub can boot windows and linux .. |
| 04:54.49 | jim | billgatess: yes, grub is probably your best bet, and recommended. |
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| 04:54.59 | jim | grub is a boot loader. |
| 04:55.06 | enouf | someone symlink that to removed, gone, changed, missing, |
| 04:55.18 | enouf | oh, and deprecated |
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| 04:55.23 | eifzon | Anyone can help me with this? has to to with my jail: http://pastebin.ca/924258 |
| 04:55.24 | billgatess | baloo im not trying to migrate from windows, i just want to check debian, getting into linux and stuff |
| 04:55.37 | enouf | baloo: not really - but now it does |
| 04:55.42 | billgatess | jim the grub installs itself with debian setup? |
| 04:55.48 | jim | when I sit on the toilet, I deprecate and then flush! |
| 04:55.50 | enouf | baloo: the differences were too mintue |
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| 04:55.57 | enouf | er minute, so they say |
| 04:56.05 | jim | billgatess: yes |
| 04:56.07 | baloo | billgatess: Aah. If you're still deciding which distro is right for you, instead of trying to dual boot, use VMWare. |
| 04:56.19 | abrotman | or colinux ? |
| 04:56.33 | enouf | qemu |
| 04:56.34 | billgatess | no i dont like virtual machines... my pc doent have enough resources :) |
| 04:56.42 | abrotman | enouf: on windows? |
| 04:56.45 | enouf | eww |
| 04:56.49 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 04:56.52 | enouf | missed that |
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| 04:57.30 | enouf | some say they like virtual box, not sure if openvz applies |
| 04:57.44 | enouf | i don't touch wintendo |
| 04:57.46 | baloo | billgatess: Perhaps a spare machine might be a better option, then. |
| 04:58.05 | enouf | spare HDD ftw |
| 04:58.17 | billgatess | but ther should be no problem with having windows and debian on the same hdd right? i know a lot of ppl with windows and linux os in their pcs :) |
| 04:58.25 | Malf | That's how I started. Set up debian on a spare harddrive and dual booted between disks |
| 04:58.28 | abrotman | no .. that's how i have it |
| 04:58.31 | baloo | enouf: I hear that. The only Windows install I have is an embedded navigation device mounted in a 1977 Dodge Tradesman with busted doorlocks. |
| 04:58.41 | enouf | haha |
| 04:58.42 | abrotman | billgatess: that works fine .. |
| 04:59.07 | billgatess | ok :) thx jim baloo and abrotman |
| 04:59.16 | baloo | billgatess: That works, though I recommend having a huge drive available. :o) |
| 04:59.17 | enouf | billgatess: best to readup, precautions - usually very very simple |
| 04:59.33 | billgatess | enouf where can i find those docs? |
| 04:59.46 | jim | !ig |
| 04:59.46 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 05:00.23 | enouf | billgatess: this has it all - and too much, but links to all you need too - so don't get scared http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 05:00.30 | enouf | billgatess: read the ig as mentioned |
| 05:00.31 | billgatess | baloo im actually planing to make the debian partition of 10GB... is that enough? its just for test debian and introducem yself to linux |
| 05:00.38 | eifzon | Anyone can help me with this? has to to with my jail: http://pastebin.ca/924258 |
| 05:00.53 | jim | billgatess: 1g is enough for testing |
| 05:01.00 | eifzon | hmm |
| 05:01.02 | eifzon | how can I fix this? |
| 05:01.13 | eifzon | bash-3.1$ screen irssi |
| 05:01.16 | eifzon | getpwuid() can't identify your account! |
| 05:01.19 | enouf | billgatess: plenty, i have an 8.4G drive w/ debian on it - Docs and Kernels and Builds on another HDD |
| 05:01.21 | eifzon | its in jail |
| 05:01.41 | enouf | billgatess: standard DE install ~ 1.7GB or so - but you always want room |
| 05:01.50 | billgatess | jim ok well im going to make it of 5 to be sure, my hdd is 250GB so theres no problem |
| 05:02.14 | jim | billgatess, I suggest: a small ext2 partition for /boot, the largest (close to 10g) for an lvm pv, and a swap |
| 05:02.32 | enouf | billgatess: you can make it much much smaller too - but for beginners who want a DE like Gnome or KDE or XFCE, figure ~2GB .. you also want a small swap partition likely |
| 05:02.44 | baloo | billgatess: I'd give Windows the short end of the stick, spacewise. You never know what you might want to try when you're experimenting. |
| 05:02.55 | jim | the swap should be either double your ram size or less if you have lots and lots of ram |
| 05:03.10 | enouf | billgatess: i agree with baloo last statemtent |
| 05:03.12 | baloo | jim: More like "about however much you feel like having around" these days. |
| 05:03.22 | jim | true |
| 05:03.41 | billgatess | ok i see |
| 05:03.44 | enouf | billgatess: if you want to burn DVDs and store large Video and Audio files, etc |
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| 05:05.10 | billgatess | im actually planning on setting up a counter strike dedicated server on linux... but i ll handel big files and operations on windows as i used to |
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| 05:05.36 | obnauticus | err what does ^s do in screen by default again? |
| 05:06.05 | enouf | billgatess: ext3 FS is safe bet - and /root by default set's aside ~5% of partition space for rainy day - you also always want ~10-20% disk space free for fighting FS fragmentation |
| 05:06.38 | billgatess | what FS means? |
| 05:06.49 | billgatess | fullsystem? |
| 05:06.49 | Malf | filesystem |
| 05:06.50 | enouf | i said that bad - i mean root user has access to the remaining 5% so it can go in and remove stuff when you fill your disk |
| 05:06.54 | billgatess | oh ok |
| 05:06.56 | enouf | reserved blocks |
| 05:08.04 | billgatess | enouf jim said ext2 some lines back... so wich is my best choice? ext3 or ext2? |
| 05:08.29 | enouf | billgatess: ext3 IMHO, it's just ext2 w/journal |
| 05:08.47 | enouf | and will fsck real fast ;-) (when needed) |
| 05:09.17 | enouf | but note, also is much much harder to try and recover lost/deleted data |
| 05:09.21 | billgatess | ok so ext3 it is :) |
| 05:09.26 | jim | well for /boot it's small and doesn't need a journal |
| 05:09.38 | jim | I'm -just- suggesting ext2 for that partition |
| 05:09.44 | enouf | jim: doesn't need a /boot :-) needs maybe a /home :-P |
| 05:10.11 | enouf | jim: i thought so - didn't bother to read backscroll |
| 05:10.16 | billgatess | jim debian installer gives u the choice to select wich fs fomrat for the /boot? |
| 05:10.22 | enouf | oh, duh |
| 05:10.27 | jim | if he's not going to do lvm I'll go along with that |
| 05:10.29 | enouf | billgatess: yes |
| 05:10.34 | jim | yes |
| 05:10.34 | enouf | hehe |
| 05:11.02 | mcgrof | I want to strip a box of a lot of packages which are big. Where can I look for all currently installed packages and their respective sizes? |
| 05:11.04 | billgatess | what is lvm? |
| 05:11.05 | enouf | don't even start -- these n00bs wander in with messed up LVMs and don;t even know they had it O_o |
| 05:11.12 | billgatess | love to learn new stuff hahaha |
| 05:11.17 | enouf | !lvm |
| 05:11.17 | dpkg | from memory, lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 05:11.31 | enouf | billgatess: stay away till you learn more |
| 05:11.55 | enouf | mcgrof: one sec |
| 05:12.14 | jim | oh, ok... it's pretty cool, it lets you define a huge partition where you can define multiple resizable "partitions" (well, they're called logical volumes) |
| 05:12.21 | enouf | mcgrof: $ du -ab . | sort -rng | less (dirs AND files) |
| 05:12.25 | jim | it |
| 05:12.44 | jim | he's right tho, it might be a good idea to hold off until you know more |
| 05:12.45 | enouf | mcgrof: use / instead of . for entire system |
| 05:12.56 | mcgrof | enouf: I want to remove packages though, not directories |
| 05:13.00 | enouf | or cd / then run it |
| 05:13.10 | enouf | mcgrof: oh ... duh, one sec |
| 05:13.32 | mcgrof | enouf: I mean, I could see running dpkg -S on the high ones then but, I'm curious where apt keeps track of all installed packages and also package sizes |
| 05:13.32 | enouf | mcgrof: dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
| 05:13.40 | mcgrof | oh nice |
| 05:13.46 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 05:13.47 | mcgrof | sweet |
| 05:13.55 | billgatess | jim: enouf: i see |
| 05:14.16 | mcgrof | thanks enouf |
| 05:14.22 | enouf | mcgrof: sure ;-) |
| 05:14.23 | jim | dpkg is fscking up :P every headers package I tried to get info about is considered not a package to dpkg |
| 05:14.35 | enouf | jim: ouch |
| 05:14.55 | jim | not my dpkg, the channel bot dpkg |
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| 05:14.59 | enouf | jim: older used kernel-headers-version, not Etch and up though |
| 05:15.04 | enouf | oh, hehe |
| 05:15.30 | enouf | jim: yeah, she's precise with names of pkgs |
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| 05:16.19 | jim | yes I know, I'm giving precise names |
| 05:16.45 | enouf | jim: define the release too? append 'etch' or whatever? |
| 05:16.52 | Jester45 | is there a way to limit the size of a directory ? its in /storage/"username"/ and each "username" directory might have diffrent limites will quota do this? (i tought it was only user based but theses usernames are for a webapp) |
| 05:17.09 | billgatess | i have another doubt, i always make my partitions with PartitionMagic for windows, and ive never had any probelm, but lets say i have two partitions right now on my hdd, and when i try to make the linux partition something goes wrong... will the other partitions be affected? |
| 05:17.10 | enouf | jim: go to the horses' mouth, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 05:17.54 | jim | dpkg: are you a horse?!! |
| 05:18.14 | enouf | Jester45: i wonder, is that a shared dir? if so can quota work on groups too? maybe you want LVM then |
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| 05:18.24 | enouf | if not quotas, i mean |
| 05:18.42 | Jester45 | well /storage is a drive |
| 05:18.44 | enouf | !horsey jeffwheeler |
| 05:18.47 | enouf | er |
| 05:18.58 | jeffwheeler | huh? |
| 05:19.05 | enouf | jeffwheeler: my bad tab |
| 05:19.13 | jeffwheeler | no problem |
| 05:19.18 | enouf | Jester45: you want LVM likely |
| 05:19.35 | Jester45 | and each user right now should only get 10gb space but the name are only in referance to the webapp directory not a real one |
| 05:19.46 | enouf | Jester45: windows calls theirs, dynamic disks, and there's sucks |
| 05:20.28 | enouf | er their's ;-) |
| 05:20.29 | Jester45 | show i would have to make a virtual partition with lvm for each user |
| 05:20.41 | Jester45 | so* |
| 05:21.13 | enouf | billgates? |
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| 05:21.42 | enouf | Jester45: you could just make that dir an LV |
| 05:21.49 | Jester45 | now here come a 2nd question if that drive is over 50% used and no other drive can hold all its data how would i go about partitioning it |
| 05:22.00 | enouf | obviously LVM will manage the entire disk |
| 05:22.06 | enouf | do /msg dpkg lvm |
| 05:22.25 | Jester45 | and i cant just delete it |
| 05:22.34 | enouf | not sure what you mean |
| 05:22.55 | enouf | if that disk is used now, you won't be able to apply LVM now |
| 05:23.13 | Jester45 | so i guess i will have to buy a new one |
| 05:23.20 | enouf | bingo ;-) |
| 05:23.28 | Jester45 | arrg |
| 05:23.37 | enouf | huh? they're cheap ;-) |
| 05:23.52 | Jester45 | 500gb? not really |
| 05:23.56 | enouf | checkout pricegrabber or newegg, or whatever |
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| 05:24.15 | Jester45 | i dont think they are that cheap |
| 05:24.20 | lkthomas | 500G isn't cheap dude |
| 05:24.21 | enouf | sure , less than 100 bucks for 400G drives i see |
| 05:24.37 | enouf | i've seen 400G for 70 bucks |
| 05:24.44 | lkthomas | lol |
| 05:24.51 | lkthomas | not 500G |
| 05:24.56 | enouf | get 2 |
| 05:24.58 | enouf | duh |
| 05:25.00 | Jester45 | well if you have a linky that would be nice |
| 05:25.16 | enouf | Jester45: you want me to shop for you? |
| 05:25.22 | Jester45 | well im not suing 400gb so i could copy it off then format the 500gb and then copy it back |
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| 05:25.34 | Jester45 | : that would be nice |
| 05:25.39 | Jester45 | jk |
| 05:25.43 | Jester45 | ill do it |
| 05:25.49 | enouf | !pal Jester45 |
| 05:26.26 | enouf | Jester45: you COULD just setup LVM on 400, copy over, then apply 500 to group |
| 05:26.38 | eifzon | (process:3672): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (1002) |
| 05:26.41 | enouf | i mean, you'd wipe it then (the 500) |
| 05:26.42 | jim | if you have a linky, with enough traffic it will be blinky |
| 05:26.44 | eifzon | how can I fix that? in (jailed)? |
| 05:26.53 | enouf | but then LVM will control your 900G |
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| 05:27.22 | jim | personally... I don't like having lvm span over two drives |
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| 05:27.23 | enouf | which seems to be what you need |
| 05:27.45 | enouf | jim: what's the point of it then? |
| 05:27.54 | jim | to have resizable partitions |
| 05:27.59 | enouf | i would never use LVM for one drive only |
| 05:27.59 | Jester45 | if i span over 2 drive and one dies would both be bad then |
| 05:28.04 | enouf | why bother? |
| 05:28.19 | jim | it's very very handy :) and drives are really big now |
| 05:28.25 | enouf | look up snapshots |
| 05:28.34 | Jester45 | well im hosting stuff so if a user wants 15gb then i could just change their 10 to 15 right |
| 05:28.50 | enouf | if you're not comfortable with lvm, don;t use it |
| 05:28.51 | jim | you could, yes |
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| 05:29.07 | enouf | it needs to be understood, like a raid setup would be |
| 05:29.18 | Jester45 | i was thinking it might be my only choice |
| 05:29.33 | jim | I'd be more comfortable with lvm and multiple drives, if the drives were in a true real hardware raid setup |
| 05:29.47 | eifzon | UID inside the chroot for Privilege Separation to work properly. |
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| 05:30.04 | Jester45 | a course i have backups but if 1 went down would the other be fine or would i have to reboot |
| 05:30.29 | Jester45 | reformat* |
| 05:32.18 | jim | you would do separate pvs on each drive (unless it were an array) and my thing is, you would create separate vgs for each drive and including its own pv |
| 05:32.19 | obnauticus | :| |
| 05:32.19 | jim | :/ |
| 05:32.19 | jim | :- |
| 05:32.19 | Jester45 | lol your past my knowledge of lvm i only know a lil about it |
| 05:32.19 | Jester45 | that was a large split |
| 05:32.20 | Guerin | !your |
| 05:32.20 | dpkg | well, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 05:33.12 | jim | lvm has three main entities: physical volumes (PVs), volume groups (VGs) and logical volumes (LVs) |
| 05:33.31 | jim | LVs are what you use like partitions |
| 05:33.38 | carson | i'm getting a 20s delay when ssh/telnet/ftp into my server. any ideas on what the problem might be? |
| 05:34.16 | Jester45 | slow cpu using compression? high ping times? really slow networks on both ends |
| 05:34.41 | carson | ping is 60ms.. networks are quick. i can pull HTTP off it no problem. |
| 05:34.42 | jim | VGs contain one or more PVs, and represent the containers for the LVs, and |
| 05:35.13 | jim | PVs are specially formatted non-lvm partitions meant for use in lvm |
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| 05:35.30 | jim | (that seems like a contradiction, but it's not) |
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| 05:35.46 | Jester45 | yea i understand that part |
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| 05:37.08 | Jester45 | well thanks for the help |
| 05:37.15 | Jester45 | ill get a new drive and look into lvm |
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| 05:44.45 | jim | where is smp support in make xconfig? |
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| 05:46.14 | jeffwheeler | Yay! I win; my Mac is successfully backing up via AFP to an HFS mount for my own, free Time Capsule, at last. That was tougher than I expected. |
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| 05:46.33 | jeffwheeler | (A Debian server running netatalk, compiled with dhx.) |
| 05:46.55 | ross` | hey |
| 05:47.04 | ross` | i need microsoft fonts for a bot made for windows |
| 05:47.06 | ross` | im using wine |
| 05:47.12 | ross` | and i ned microsoft fonts |
| 05:47.14 | ross` | package please |
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| 05:47.46 | jeffwheeler | msttcorefonts? |
| 05:47.52 | jim | dada dada dada dada dada dada dah botfonts! |
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| 05:48.14 | ross` | sweet |
| 05:48.16 | ross` | thank you |
| 05:48.20 | jeffwheeler | No problem. |
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| 05:48.27 | ross` | :) |
| 05:49.17 | Guerin | ross`: you fail. |
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| 05:49.58 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: I'm not sure if you're referring to the fonts, but I've gotta admit, they're quite nice; I definitely appreciate MS releasing them |
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| 05:52.05 | ross` | Guerin: ? |
| 05:52.26 | jim | argh! where do I enable smp? |
| 05:52.27 | ross` | im having issues opening vnc |
| 05:52.29 | ross` | >< |
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| 05:53.24 | ross` | 123:/usr/share/fonts/X11# vncserver |
| 05:53.24 | ross` | Couldn't start Xtightvnc; trying default font path. |
| 05:53.24 | ross` | Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script. |
| 05:53.25 | ross` | Couldn't start Xtightvnc process. |
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| 05:53.45 | ross` | it also said more |
| 05:53.45 | ross` | but this is supposed to be a ocmmon error |
| 05:53.46 | kgoetz | !tell ross` about pastebin |
| 05:53.47 | ross` | what do i do |
| 05:54.10 | enouf | jim: / the smp? |
| 05:54.14 | ross` | it was 4 lines |
| 05:54.39 | enouf | jim: er /, then SMP |
| 05:54.52 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.58 | enouf | == search |
| 05:55.02 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.06 | enouf | in menuconfig |
| 05:55.17 | enouf | nobody uses xconfig, ffs :-P |
| 05:55.21 | simonrvn | note, set ignore on ross`, he's got a bad temper and likes being handheld |
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| 05:55.45 | enouf | jim: also - i think of PVs as what they are, HDDs, though that might not fit the entire bill |
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| 05:56.04 | dasdajs | http://paste-it.net/dbb1dbc <- what's wrong with the shell script? |
| 05:56.16 | ross` | simonrvn: that is unneeded |
| 05:56.19 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: oh, not the fonts - they're fine. Using windows irc bots in wine is the ultimate fail. |
| 05:56.23 | jim | enouf: I see |
| 05:56.29 | Guerin | ross`: see above re `fail' |
| 05:56.35 | simonrvn | enouf: not really, they can be a (real) partition |
| 05:56.44 | enouf | jim: works in less too ;-) |
| 05:57.00 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: indeed |
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| 05:57.30 | enouf | simonrvn: hrm, right, i see |
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| 05:57.49 | enouf | jim: / works in links2 also ;-) |
| 05:58.13 | enouf | works in man |
| 05:58.24 | simonrvn | s,man,less, |
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| 06:01.00 | jim | if I have just one drive, typically I'll have a wincrap partition (sorry, gotta play the games), some /boot partitions and one or more PVs |
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| 06:01.36 | simonrvn | if you don't mind messing with initrds, / can be a lv |
| 06:01.36 | enouf | $ strace man hdparm &>/tmp/whatever ; grep less /tmp/whatever |
| 06:01.39 | jim | I wanted a demo box that had 10 /boots and 10 PVs on a 250g drive |
| 06:01.51 | enouf | s,man,man |
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| 06:02.26 | jim | man uses a pager, if you don't have less installed, it uses more |
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| 06:02.49 | jim | FINALLY found smp :P |
| 06:02.53 | enouf | $ grep more /tmp/whatever |
| 06:03.04 | enouf | plus, i have less installed |
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| 06:04.24 | billgatess | jim... enouf? any of u there? |
| 06:04.44 | jim | all of me is here |
| 06:05.10 | enouf | yerp |
| 06:05.48 | jim | btw, having said all that before about lvm, probably you want to experiment with it before actually using it |
| 06:06.19 | billgatess | hehe im now on the installation right, and i selected the partition previously made, and when i select finish and write data on disk or something like that it says that i havent selected a partition for the swap |
| 06:06.28 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/924309 |
| 06:06.35 | billgatess | but i didnt make any swap partition, i just made a 8GB ext3 and thats it |
| 06:06.55 | billgatess | :( |
| 06:07.08 | jim | you can go back |
| 06:07.21 | enouf | billgatess: nobody told you about ext'd and logicals eh? |
| 06:07.25 | jim | btw, do you have another machine you can talk to us on |
| 06:07.25 | simonrvn | enouf: and man will use whatever pager is installed. if it's more, it'll use that, and defaults to less if that's installed |
| 06:07.55 | simonrvn | i don't recall more having a search function... |
| 06:08.02 | jim | more is in the base, less you'd have to install later |
| 06:08.02 | billgatess | jim yes im on my laptop |
| 06:08.17 | billgatess | enouf how so? |
| 06:08.28 | jim | let's give your laptop a name... howbout laptop :) |
| 06:08.47 | enouf | simonrvn: well, how would i know that? i mean where can i see it calling pager? |
| 06:08.48 | enouf | $ readlink -f /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 06:08.50 | enouf | /usr/bin/less |
| 06:08.51 | jim | what machine are you installing linux on |
| 06:08.57 | billgatess | desktop :) |
| 06:09.03 | enouf | $ grep 'pager' /tmp/whatever |
| 06:09.04 | jim | ok |
| 06:09.07 | enouf | nothing |
| 06:09.23 | jim | good, so you can talk to us on laptop while you install onto desktop... right? |
| 06:09.28 | simonrvn | enouf: *cough* ps |
| 06:09.42 | enouf | ugh :-P |
| 06:09.42 | billgatess | yes i have the other pc next to me |
| 06:10.14 | simonrvn | enouf: evere seen the source of a man page? it's *roff |
| 06:10.30 | jim | roff! roff roff! |
| 06:10.45 | enouf | pager -s |
| 06:10.51 | billgatess | jim i selected spanish installation, but if i install it in english can i change debian language once its installed? |
| 06:11.11 | jim | I believe so, but I've only done english myself |
| 06:11.17 | enouf | i know nothing about roff/nroff/groff, nor latex tex, etc, i feel like a GNUoob |
| 06:11.43 | Arafangion | billgatess: I've only done english myself, but it'd be a pretty crap multiuser system if it didn't handle more than one language, wouldn't it/ |
| 06:11.57 | enouf | simonrvn: yes, i've seen less /path/to/manpage.gz ;-) |
| 06:12.05 | enouf | er zless |
| 06:12.06 | jim | when you could be a GNUru? |
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| 06:13.52 | jim | how do I tell make-kpkg to add a custom version string to uname -r when it's running? |
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| 06:14.18 | enouf | billgatess: "setxkbmap se" once in X ;-) but i don't think that's the "proper" long term method - there are ways ;-) we be UTF-8 if needs be |
| 06:14.19 | billgatess | jim so, what i have to do then? cant the installer make the swap file in the ext3 partition i selected? |
| 06:14.40 | enouf | jim: when it's running? roflmao |
| 06:14.41 | jim | it could... |
| 06:14.58 | enouf | jim: make-kpkg --help, make-kpkg --targets |
| 06:15.09 | simonrvn | jim: kill it first ... |
| 06:15.21 | enouf | billgatess: you could make a swapfile, instead of partition |
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| 06:15.40 | enouf | see --APPEND-TO-VERSION or whatever |
| 06:15.52 | billgatess | well thats what i mean, but i dont see the option |
| 06:16.00 | enouf | billgatess: you'd do it later |
| 06:16.19 | billgatess | oh ok |
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| 06:18.21 | ross` | hey |
| 06:18.26 | ross` | i need the .net framework |
| 06:18.30 | ross` | does this come in a package |
| 06:18.34 | ross` | how do i install this for linux |
| 06:18.38 | ross` | do i use wine? im not sure |
| 06:18.49 | jim | it's dead, simonrvn |
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| 06:19.02 | jim | ross`: ask sun for it |
| 06:19.08 | ross` | sun? |
| 06:19.20 | Arafangion | ross`: Ask Microsoft for it. |
| 06:19.29 | billgatess | look when im configuring the partition what do i have to put on mount point or setup point (dunno the translation to english :p) "/ - system root files"? |
| 06:19.33 | jim | see your response? you know who has it :P |
| 06:19.35 | Arafangion | ross`: It's language and platform agnostic, anyway, so surely they've made a version for Linux. |
| 06:19.39 | ross` | yes they have it o ntheir sight.. but what do i need exactly |
| 06:20.06 | jim | read their docs on it, they should tell you |
| 06:20.41 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:20.43 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi |
| 06:20.46 | Arafangion | ross`: Jokes aside, you might have some luck with mono, or wine+(windows version of mono), but the app is likely to require an actual oprt. |
| 06:20.47 | Arafangion | *port |
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| 06:22.27 | enouf | ross`: i know of a fedora article that discusses it - one sec |
| 06:22.47 | mbroeker | i have found a berkdb file on my webspace named traffic.db. i can dump it with berkdb4.4_dump but the content of that file is hashed. How can i get the raw data in it? |
| 06:23.03 | ross` | this is for debi etch enouf |
| 06:23.07 | ross` | but it may be relevant |
| 06:23.21 | Arafangion | mbroeker: If it's hashed, you have to crack it. |
| 06:23.34 | Arafangion | mbroeker: The original data does not actually exist, btw. |
| 06:24.36 | enouf | ross`: i would presume so - http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/activex-linux.php <-- worse than i though |
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| 06:24.40 | enouf | thought even |
| 06:24.50 | ross` | mmm no that's not it |
| 06:24.54 | simonrvn | Nyle: hi |
| 06:24.55 | ross` | i need the visual basic runtimes |
| 06:25.02 | enouf | but i hear mpoop is pushing visual basic and it's sql for linux use |
| 06:25.10 | ross` | warn:file:wine_nt_to_unix_file_name L"MSVBVM60.DLL" not found in /root/.wine/dosdevices/z:/root/st |
| 06:25.21 | Arafangion | ross`: Ok, that application will never run natively on linux, without wine. |
| 06:25.26 | simonrvn | jim: damn. you killed it. next time i'll use an even lighter stun setting |
| 06:25.30 | enouf | man - you deserve what you get ;-) |
| 06:25.35 | ross` | AfterDeath: i realize that |
| 06:25.38 | ross` | im using it with wine |
| 06:25.41 | ross` | but i need the .net framework |
| 06:25.43 | ross` | or the visual basic somethign |
| 06:25.46 | ross` | runtimes or something |
| 06:25.48 | simonrvn | (sorry, that was for old time's sake) |
| 06:25.55 | Arafangion | ross`: Have you installed mono? Have you installed the VB runtime? :) |
| 06:26.04 | ross` | no |
| 06:26.06 | ross` | i need the vb runtime |
| 06:26.08 | jim | well... I'm a keptin not a doctor |
| 06:26.11 | ross` | where can i get it on microsoft.net |
| 06:26.17 | ross` | i don't know wer to get it |
| 06:26.21 | Arafangion | ross`: Dunno, this is #debian. ;) |
| 06:26.27 | enouf | ross`: please try the enter key a bit less, thanks |
| 06:26.27 | jim | we are supposed to know that? |
| 06:26.44 | enouf | !.NET |
| 06:26.44 | dpkg | when .NET system goes online, human decisions are removed from the office environment. It contains Application Center 2000, SQL server 2000, Exchange 2000, Host Integration Server 2000, BizTalk 2000, Commerce Server 2000. They seperate every single bit of simple operation into many buzzword-servers. Don't you hate your money? |
| 06:26.48 | adm_ | anybody speak russian language? |
| 06:26.56 | Arafangion | !ru |
| 06:26.56 | dpkg | it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 06:26.58 | jim | also this is really not relevent to debian in the first place, given it's not in a debian -package- |
| 06:27.37 | enouf | ross`: try #winehq maybe |
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| 06:27.40 | Arafangion | ross`: In general, just install mono in wine, then run the installer for your app. |
| 06:27.44 | adm_ | !ru |
| 06:27.44 | dpkg | well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 06:27.54 | ross` | Arafangion: so wait |
| 06:27.56 | ross` | install mono |
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| 06:28.02 | ross` | then re run the install for the program? |
| 06:28.07 | enouf | adm_: you can /msg the bot yourself |
| 06:28.10 | Arafangion | ross`: Probably. |
| 06:28.10 | anom01y | why are sound cards such a paipn |
| 06:28.51 | anom01y | cant't get kmix to recognize a sblive |
| 06:29.07 | anom01y | and the volumes in mplayer ect dont work |
| 06:30.41 | matt_ | Please direct to channel:matt |
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| 06:31.11 | Guerin | matt_: please eat a spoon |
| 06:31.48 | Arafangion | Guerin: There are no spoons. |
| 06:31.49 | anom01y | I got xmms volume to work by selecting "Use software volume control" |
| 06:31.53 | anom01y | int the output plugins |
| 06:31.57 | anom01y | anyone know how to help ? |
| 06:32.34 | matt_ | No its actually its:#adm |
| 06:32.46 | billgatess | chacho comites finta QQQQQ qedates con las GANAS HAHAHAHAHA |
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| 06:33.15 | billgatess | sorry wrong thread XD |
| 06:33.19 | billgatess | channel* |
| 06:34.11 | matt_ | WARNING YOU ARE NOW USING #adm |
| 06:34.29 | simonrvn | matt_: right, and i'm you're gran'ma |
| 06:34.38 | simonrvn | s,you're,your, |
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| 06:35.04 | jim | what's the command to add a changelog entry for a kernel to make the version I'm building match the changelog |
| 06:35.07 | Bossmanbeta | hello |
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| 06:35.17 | simonrvn | dch, or editor |
| 06:35.33 | Bossmanbeta | anyone aware of a way of detaching a remote X application running via 'ssh -Y' for re-attaching later? (Just like 'screen' but for X apps) There's an old-old app called 'xmove' (last updated 1997) but it's very buggy and doesn't work. VNC and NX are whole-desktop solutions and doesn't work well when I want to run local & remote apps on a unified local desktop. |
| 06:35.49 | jim | !find dch |
| 06:35.50 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dch' (10): 3dchess ;; dchroot ;; dchroot-dsa ;; libgdchart-gd2-noxpm ;; libgdchart-gd2-noxpm-dev ;; libgdchart-gd2-xpm ;; libgdchart-gd2-xpm-dev ;; opendchub ;; python-gdchart2 ;; python-gdchart2-doc. |
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| 06:36.05 | matt_ | simonvern This is channel #adm |
| 06:36.22 | simonrvn | no, it's #debian ... |
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| 06:37.18 | matt_ | OK VISIT MY CHANNEL:#adm |
| 06:37.25 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:37.28 | jim | ahh. mass invite. |
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| 06:37.42 | simonrvn | matt_: stop that |
| 06:38.15 | matt_ | PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSE! |
| 06:38.33 | simonrvn | matt_: i don't know which script kiddie irc network you usually hang out on, but around here we don''t do that crap. might i suggest the irc faq? |
| 06:38.38 | enouf | anom01y: alsamixer |
| 06:39.01 | enouf | anom01y: setup all apps to use 'default' as audio device |
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| 06:40.33 | matt_ | How do you say such crap #adm is one of my tabs at the moment! |
| 06:41.03 | simonrvn | i just did, that's how |
| 06:41.28 | jim | matt_: are you feeling sad because you need people to accept you? |
| 06:41.36 | LeGreffi3R | "NO FLOOD:" this is more clear than a /help |
| 06:42.24 | matt_ | Urrr what about the flood in america 679 years ago? |
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| 06:42.32 | szkud | Is there a way to transfer hardware support from my ubuntu install to my debian install? |
| 06:42.46 | simonrvn | matt_: please visit plonk some time |
| 06:42.49 | simonrvn | like now |
| 06:43.10 | matt_ | What an earth is PLONK! |
| 06:43.11 | jim | szkud: use the ubuntu kernel and see if you have the support then |
| 06:43.15 | amphi | szkud: you could dump lsmod output to a file... |
| 06:44.09 | jim | what package is dch in? |
| 06:44.10 | szkud | I'm using ubuntu now... I installed debian but my wireless card is kind of a bitch to support so all I have is command line debian |
| 06:44.34 | jim | szkud: on the same machine? |
| 06:44.45 | simonrvn | devscripts or debian-goodies |
| 06:44.46 | szkud | yup. same drive |
| 06:44.51 | simonrvn | jim: ^^^ |
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| 06:45.00 | LeGreffi3R | matt_> the noise of the fall of a kiddie in a blacklist... |
| 06:45.03 | jim | thanks, installing. |
| 06:45.17 | jim | kittyfall! |
| 06:45.30 | jim | -PLONK- |
| 06:45.43 | billgatess | jim the desktop im installing debian has only 256ram, how bigger the swap has to be? |
| 06:46.17 | jim | billgatess: however much you want... one guideline suggests half a g |
| 06:47.04 | jim | what cpu is on that machine? |
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| 06:48.58 | LeGreffi3R | usually (until 1Go) : twice the RAM |
| 06:49.39 | simonrvn | that's pretty much what i do |
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| 06:50.38 | jim_p | goodmorning! |
| 06:51.14 | jim_p | how do i apply a .patch file to something? i do have the source code |
| 06:51.41 | jim | show one of the diff lines in the patch |
| 06:52.13 | jim_p | wait a sec |
| 06:52.39 | billgatess | jim : sorry for the delay, its a intel celeron 2.4GHZ |
| 06:53.36 | jim_p | where can i paste some lines for you to see? |
| 06:53.52 | jim | you have a quarter g of ram now, double that, that's half gig, use that much for swap |
| 06:54.09 | jim | jim_p: right now I want one line |
| 06:54.20 | jim_p | i dont know what a diff line is! |
| 06:54.28 | jim | look in the patch :) |
| 06:54.40 | jim_p | i see some lines starting with +++ and --- |
| 06:54.40 | jim | you'll see them if it's a -Naur patch |
| 06:54.52 | jim_p | http://www.debian-art.org/CONTENT/content-files/76134-01_aurora_no_mbar_shadow.patch |
| 06:54.56 | jim_p | there! |
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| 06:55.45 | jim | ok, so you see the path there after the +++? |
| 06:55.52 | jim_p | yes |
| 06:56.26 | jim | what's your current pwd (put a space before putting it here) |
| 06:56.40 | jim_p | sorry? |
| 06:56.49 | Guerin | cwd |
| 06:56.52 | Guerin | pwd is the command |
| 06:57.13 | jim_p | my home directory? |
| 06:57.22 | Guerin | no |
| 06:57.23 | jim | run this: echo " $(pwd)" |
| 06:57.35 | Guerin | type `pwd' and tell us what it is - prepend a space |
| 06:57.38 | jim | and paste the whole line including the space |
| 06:57.48 | Guerin | mm, double whammy |
| 06:57.51 | simonrvn | no, it's not going to r00t your box |
| 06:57.57 | jim | (irc doesn't like / at beginning of line) |
| 06:58.02 | jim_p | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.09 | simonrvn | / / in irssi |
| 06:58.14 | jim | ok |
| 06:58.21 | simonrvn | which is just /say / |
| 06:58.32 | jim | cd to the dir you unpacked |
| 06:58.41 | jim | may |
| 06:58.48 | jim_p | may i ask one thing? |
| 06:58.56 | jim | you just did |
| 06:59.02 | jim_p | ok then 2 |
| 06:59.04 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:59.21 | simonrvn | emacs-snapshot is t3h f1x3d |
| 06:59.26 | jim | shall you ask to ask the second thing? |
| 06:59.57 | jim_p | as i see here, the text file changes a single line inside src/aurora_style.c , right? |
| 07:00.15 | jim | looks like it changes one and also adds one |
| 07:00.26 | jim | but where is src? |
| 07:00.31 | jim_p | ok , that's what it does |
| 07:00.44 | jim_p | inside my home folder! |
| 07:00.59 | jim | so you have /usr/jim/src? |
| 07:01.05 | jim | err sorry |
| 07:01.07 | jim_p | can i change the line by myself? |
| 07:01.11 | jim | so you have /home/jim/src? |
| 07:01.12 | jim | sure |
| 07:01.30 | jim | but what I'm leading you to is going to be useful |
| 07:01.32 | jim_p | i have /home/jim/aurora(whatever)/src |
| 07:01.39 | jim | oh |
| 07:01.39 | jim_p | oh ok thanks |
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| 07:01.51 | jim | ok, cd aurora(whatever) |
| 07:01.54 | jim_p | am i wrong? |
| 07:01.54 | Slurpee | can someone help me with rema,e? |
| 07:01.58 | Slurpee | rename |
| 07:02.18 | jim | no |
| 07:02.22 | jim | you're not wrong |
| 07:02.23 | jim_p | Slurpee: what do you want to rename? |
| 07:02.27 | jim_p | ok thanks |
| 07:02.31 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 07:02.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:02.43 | jim | I'm just leading you towards a new understanding |
| 07:02.44 | jim_p | so jim , please continue |
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| 07:03.15 | jim | ok, so cd to the aurora dir |
| 07:03.20 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:03.30 | jim | what's your pwd now? |
| 07:03.50 | jim_p | does pwd = my current folder? |
| 07:03.55 | jim | remember irc doesn't like / as first char |
| 07:04.14 | jim | yes, your CurrentWorkingDir (cwd) |
| 07:04.19 | simonrvn | !pwd |
| 07:04.19 | dpkg | well, pwd is print current/working directory, or /home/simonrvn/is.a.luser |
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| 07:04.31 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:04.35 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:04.40 | simonrvn | !factinfo pwd |
| 07:04.40 | dpkg | pwd -- last modified at Sat Jan 1 13:10:34 2005 by Phated!~dyana@cm143.omega122.maxonline.com.sg; it has been requested 14 times, last by simonrvn, 22s ago. |
| 07:04.47 | jim_p | i am here /home/jim/aurora-1.4 |
| 07:04.52 | jim | ok |
| 07:05.03 | jim | so if you ls you'll see src, right? |
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| 07:05.12 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:05.23 | jim | ok, cd into src |
| 07:05.26 | jim_p | done |
| 07:06.04 | jim | patch has this really weird but it turns out useful feature (larry wall, yes, you're weird today :) |
| 07:06.19 | Slurpee | I am trrying to rename a directory full of images. The images have differnt file names. I want to rename all files to .....image1.jpg, image2.jpg image3.jpg |
| 07:07.09 | jim | it has the capability to take the path a patch is supposed to apply and remove what's to the left of a / and the / itself |
| 07:07.10 | jim_p | Slurpee: i think thunar comes with a massive rename utility thing |
| 07:07.13 | jim | for example |
| 07:07.22 | jim | --- src/aurora_style.c2008-03-01 00:20:47.510619198 +0100 |
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| 07:07.51 | jim | that path (src/aurora_style.c) has a / in it |
| 07:07.59 | jim_p | yes... |
| 07:08.09 | jim | patch can pull off the src/ |
| 07:08.11 | simonrvn | -pXX, where XX is an integer, remove path (crap, just blanked on the term) |
| 07:08.18 | simonrvn | componenet |
| 07:08.23 | simonrvn | component |
| 07:08.36 | jim | so what remains is aurora_style.c |
| 07:08.40 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:08.44 | jim | got that part? |
| 07:08.51 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:09.03 | jim_p | it "isolates" what it needs |
| 07:09.10 | Slurpee | i only have acces via command line....will thunar work ? |
| 07:09.14 | jim | so now, what if you had something like foo/bar/grub/futz/blah/src/aurora_style.c |
| 07:09.29 | jim_p | lol! |
| 07:09.34 | jim | notice your present cwd |
| 07:09.55 | jim | now: how many /s do you want to get rid of? |
| 07:10.00 | simonrvn | that would be a sucky diff job |
| 07:10.15 | jim_p | i dont know :( |
| 07:10.19 | jim | yes, but patch can handle it |
| 07:10.22 | jim | notice your present cwd |
| 07:10.29 | jim | do an ls |
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| 07:10.55 | jim | do you happen to see aurora_style.c? |
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| 07:11.09 | jim_p | ls inside the src folder? |
| 07:11.16 | jim_p | yes there it is! |
| 07:11.22 | jim | you're already inside the src folder |
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| 07:11.30 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:11.36 | simonrvn | !tell neosix -about root |
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| 07:12.02 | jim | so how many /s from the LEFT do you get rid of to match the pathname properly? |
| 07:12.07 | jim | so now, what if you had something like foo/bar/grub/futz/blah/src/aurora_style.c |
| 07:12.20 | jim_p | 3 |
| 07:12.23 | jim_p | ? |
| 07:12.56 | jim | that would get rid of: foo/ bar/ grub/ which would leave: futz/blah/src/aurora_style.c |
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| 07:13.26 | Dewio | hmm. I've been banned from OFTC... "please fix your irc client" |
| 07:13.34 | jim_p | but in my case, it would leave /src behind |
| 07:13.37 | Dewio | using irssi from debian stable |
| 07:13.43 | Dewio | anyone got any idea what that's about? |
| 07:13.56 | jim | just wait, we're pretending right now |
| 07:14.03 | jim_p | oh ok |
| 07:14.24 | jim | what would it take for the path to refer to the file FROM WHERE YOU ARE NOW? |
| 07:14.40 | jim_p | excuse me... can i go to toilet? i cant hold myself anymore! |
| 07:14.45 | billgatesss | jim do i install "SQL Data Base? |
| 07:14.49 | jim_p | that +++ or --- ? |
| 07:14.51 | jim | oh alrite |
| 07:15.03 | jim | hurry up :P |
| 07:15.17 | jim | billgatesss: apt-get install postgresqu |
| 07:15.19 | jim | err |
| 07:15.23 | jim | billgatesss: apt-get install postgresql |
| 07:15.40 | billgatesss | ok |
| 07:15.44 | squisher | Hi, does anyone know where I can still get nvidia-driver 100.14.19-1 from? The 169.x versions have some ugly bugs... |
| 07:15.59 | jim | and probably postgresql-clients |
| 07:16.19 | squisher | it doesn't seem to be in the pool anymore :-\ |
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| 07:16.23 | dquestions | so anyone here use screen + centericq? |
| 07:16.34 | jim | ugly bugly fugly rugly dugly pugsly |
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| 07:17.06 | wols_ | dquestions: are you running debian? |
| 07:17.17 | wols_ | !tell squisher about sdn |
| 07:17.17 | SerajewelKS | !tell dquestions about anyone |
| 07:17.43 | squisher | wols_, neato, didn't know about that one! Thanks |
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| 07:18.27 | jim_p | jim: ok go on |
| 07:18.51 | tarzeau | gee they removed xmms-modplug which also has *the* (my) commandline player modplugplay |
| 07:18.57 | tarzeau | who can i hit for it? |
| 07:19.14 | tarzeau | kumar appaiah #456731 |
| 07:19.14 | jim | jim_p: ok, say I wanted to cat aurora_style.c |
| 07:19.26 | Nyle | tarzeau: what games do you like to play? |
| 07:19.40 | tarzeau | Nyle: sauerbraten, bubbros, nethack |
| 07:19.50 | tarzeau | Nyle: on playstation: wipeout 1,2,3 |
| 07:19.56 | tarzeau | Nyle: on c-64, the pornographic ones |
| 07:20.06 | jim | and if I'm in that src dir, then I would type cat aurora_style.c |
| 07:20.08 | jim | yes? |
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| 07:20.10 | tarzeau | Nyle: you? |
| 07:20.13 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:20.17 | Nyle | tarzeau: I'm thinking bro |
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| 07:20.26 | Nyle | tarzeau: mindless simple games |
| 07:20.29 | tarzeau | amiga: lemmings (mu.ltiplayer) |
| 07:20.32 | Nyle | usually where I don' thave to think much |
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| 07:20.38 | tarzeau | Nyle: all of them are simple. except nethack |
| 07:20.50 | Nyle | i can't get past lvl 5 in nethack |
| 07:20.51 | tarzeau | i can also play freeciv pretty good (i've beaten zap several times) |
| 07:20.58 | tarzeau | Nyle: practice! |
| 07:21.01 | Nyle | tarzeau: aren't you like 40? |
| 07:21.03 | tarzeau | Nyle: never give up |
| 07:21.06 | tarzeau | Nyle: 30 |
| 07:21.06 | jim | ok, but now say that I've been given this ridiculously long path foo/bar/grub/futz/blah/src/aurora_style.c |
| 07:21.11 | Nyle | tarzeau: hehe |
| 07:21.14 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:21.15 | tarzeau | Nyle: why do you think i'm 40? |
| 07:21.18 | Nyle | typo |
| 07:21.24 | Nyle | i typed 40 |
| 07:21.25 | Nyle | doh |
| 07:21.26 | Nyle | 30 |
| 07:21.40 | jsemmanue1 | hi! I installed debian yesterday and am unable to install vlc. and quite a few other software. I get an error like "the following package has unmet dependencies |
| 07:21.40 | jsemmanue1 | vlc: depends: vlc-nox (...) but it is not going to be installed." |
| 07:21.43 | jim | how many /s would I remove from the left to get the thing to feed to cat? |
| 07:21.53 | Nyle | tarzeau: I think I will try a game |
| 07:21.54 | jsemmanue1 | i am also unable to add the sid repos. get an error when i reload |
| 07:21.55 | tarzeau | Nyle: you? |
| 07:21.58 | Nyle | 27 |
| 07:22.07 | Nyle | on march 12 I will be 27 |
| 07:22.16 | Nyle | thats crazy |
| 07:22.17 | Nyle | I'm old |
| 07:22.23 | tarzeau | Nyle: old is different |
| 07:22.23 | jim | no |
| 07:22.28 | Nyle | I need a good gui ftp client |
| 07:22.30 | tarzeau | Nyle: old is when you think and feel old |
| 07:22.33 | jim | 49 is old |
| 07:22.36 | tarzeau | Nyle: lftp |
| 07:22.37 | Nyle | let me ask kde |
| 07:22.42 | Nyle | i want a kde app |
| 07:22.43 | tarzeau | jim: only if he/she feels so |
| 07:22.43 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:22.48 | jim_p | jim: 6! |
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| 07:22.59 | jim | jim_p: correct. |
| 07:23.03 | jim_p | lol |
| 07:23.06 | tarzeau | jim: you can even be active and young at that age |
| 07:23.18 | Dewi | tarzeau: in that case I've been old since about 14 |
| 07:23.20 | tarzeau | jim: well depends how well you looked for yourself |
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| 07:23.30 | tarzeau | Dewi: poor you. did it get you laid? |
| 07:23.38 | Dewi | tarzeau: nope. Get off my lawn! |
| 07:23.41 | jsemmanue1 | can someone please help me to add sid repos? |
| 07:23.54 | jim | so, then you would be removing foo/ bar/ grub/ futz/ blah/ src/ and would be left with aurora_style.c |
| 07:24.06 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: it's not standard practice to add sid repos to anything other than sid |
| 07:24.13 | jim | and could feed that to cat |
| 07:24.20 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: what distro are you using, and what error message are you getting? |
| 07:24.20 | jim | you see that? |
| 07:24.26 | jim | kinda weird |
| 07:24.29 | jsemmanue1 | i am using debian 4.0 |
| 07:24.32 | jim | but patch has that |
| 07:25.01 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: why adding sid repos? |
| 07:25.09 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:25.15 | jsemmanue1 | Dewi: i have this line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:25.22 | jsemmanue1 | # deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib |
| 07:25.29 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: that's commented out |
| 07:25.33 | jsemmanue1 | which has to be commented out or it gives funny errors |
| 07:25.35 | jim | here's how you tell patch to remove 6 /s from the left: patch -p6 |
| 07:25.37 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: also, why are you adding sid repos? |
| 07:25.37 | jsemmanue1 | i commented it out myself |
| 07:25.41 | tarzeau | !sid |
| 07:25.41 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 07:25.50 | tarzeau | jsemmanue1: you don't mix repos |
| 07:25.52 | jsemmanue1 | i want to install vlc and it needs some dependencies availabe on sid |
| 07:25.55 | jsemmanue1 | :-( |
| 07:25.56 | jim_p | jsemmanue1: deb http://us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib |
| 07:25.59 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: if you don't know what you're doing that's a great way to completely destroy your system |
| 07:26.09 | tarzeau | !simple sid backports |
| 07:26.09 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 07:26.16 | jim | jim_p: see that? |
| 07:26.16 | jsemmanue1 | can you help me sort this out? |
| 07:26.23 | jim_p | you have put the http word TWICE and that gives an error |
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| 07:26.29 | tarzeau | the really cool people just use sid and don't talk about it in here :) |
| 07:26.32 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:26.48 | jsemmanue1 | i just tried installing alien to install compiz and got the same dependency not met error |
| 07:26.57 | tarzeau | jsemmanue1: yuck |
| 07:26.58 | jim | jim_p: ok. |
| 07:27.00 | polishkoop | I just installed cups, but I'm having trouble accesing the web interface from an outside computer. even on the computer with cups installed, i have to do http://localhost (it doesnt work when i put in the local ip) can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 07:27.05 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: it sounds like maybe you already corrupted your dependancy tree by mixing repos |
| 07:27.08 | tarzeau | jsemmanue1: debian DOES have compiz. no need to rape your system with alien |
| 07:27.14 | jim | here's how you get the path: one way, look for the diff line |
| 07:27.20 | tarzeau | !mix |
| 07:27.20 | dpkg | well, mix is Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 07:27.22 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: for example did that vlc package come from your own distro, or from somewhere else like sid? |
| 07:27.24 | tarzeau | !bobbit |
| 07:27.24 | jim | sometimes there isn't a diff line |
| 07:27.25 | jim_p | so the command is still patch,but it needs to know the directory "depth" |
| 07:27.28 | jsemmanue1 | so i show you my sources list, can you help me clean it? |
| 07:27.29 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 07:27.29 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 07:27.41 | jim_p | jsemmanue1: yes |
| 07:27.42 | jim | jim_p: yes |
| 07:27.43 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: yeah, change it back to the defaults: etch/stable |
| 07:27.52 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: and pray you haven't already broken your system beyond repair |
| 07:27.56 | jsemmanue1 | Dewi: i tried with the default install but vlc wan't anywhere |
| 07:27.59 | jim | well by default it assumes -p1 |
| 07:28.03 | tarzeau | Dewi: i've hardly seen that |
| 07:28.05 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: it's on my default install |
| 07:28.07 | jim | which is important to know |
| 07:28.13 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:28.15 | tarzeau | Dewi: a system beyond repair i mean |
| 07:28.16 | jsemmanue1 | Dewi: no problem. i have installed like 6 distros in a week to get something to work out |
| 07:28.22 | tarzeau | Dewi: it just that not everyon can fix it |
| 07:28.27 | jsemmanue1 | had a problem witha wifi card. Finally junked it and using wired |
| 07:28.28 | Dewi | tarzeau: it can happen quite easily. add sid sources, install a single package that drags half of X from sid |
| 07:28.35 | jsemmanue1 | anyway, pasting sources.list now |
| 07:28.39 | Dewi | tarzeau: and you have a system that will never run properly as etch again |
| 07:28.48 | tarzeau | Dewi: that's not broken, just a broken mixed system which can be fixed (you just can't go back to etch) |
| 07:28.56 | Dewi | tarzeau: sid != fixed :) |
| 07:29.03 | tarzeau | Dewi: true, but the system is not broken if you run sid |
| 07:29.11 | Dewi | tarzeau: that's a matter of some debate :)( |
| 07:29.26 | jim_p | jim: so i just move the .patch file inside src and save myself from trouble |
| 07:29.39 | jsemmanue1 | jim_p Dewi http://www.pastebin.ca/924353 |
| 07:30.05 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: you shouldn't have sarge stuff in there anymore if you are running 4.0 |
| 07:30.15 | jsemmanue1 | ok, removed the whole line |
| 07:30.17 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: wait a minute |
| 07:30.20 | jim | jim_p: that would be one way |
| 07:30.30 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: you say you're running 4.0, but you only have 4.0 *update* sources |
| 07:31.11 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: where are your 4.0 full release sources? |
| 07:31.11 | jim_p | jsemmanue1: and remove the duble HTTP stuff from the 2nd and the 4th line!!! |
| 07:31.11 | jsemmanue1 | how can i tell you the exact version number? |
| 07:31.11 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:31.11 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:31.11 | jim | but you have to give it the diff by feeding its stdin |
| 07:31.11 | jsemmanue1 | can you please paste the cleaned sources somewhere? |
| 07:31.11 | jim | do you know of ways to do that? |
| 07:31.12 | jim_p | no :( |
| 07:31.20 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: your sources don't need cleaning, they are totally wrong |
| 07:31.28 | jim_p | lol! |
| 07:31.34 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: what version of debian are you even running now? |
| 07:31.53 | jsemmanue1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.55 | jim | one way: cat somefile | some-command |
| 07:32.00 | jim_p | ok |
| 07:32.03 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: one moment |
| 07:32.18 | jim | you're feeding some-command's stdin with the output of cat somefile |
| 07:32.24 | jim | got that part? |
| 07:32.30 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:32.37 | jim | another way: |
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| 07:32.51 | jim | some-command < somefile |
| 07:33.10 | jim | exactly the same effect but using a different shell mechanism |
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| 07:33.38 | jim_p | use somefile as an input to somecommand,right? |
| 07:33.41 | jim | you're still feeding the stdin of some-command with the content of the file somefile |
| 07:33.56 | jim_p | yes |
| 07:33.57 | jim | right |
| 07:34.00 | jim_p | much simpler! |
| 07:34.01 | Obligatory | Anybody good with 'dnsmasq'? I'm trying to get the DHCP server part to work... |
| 07:34.19 | jim_p | jim: thank you for your patience ! |
| 07:34.33 | jim_p | i am going to make breakfast, brb |
| 07:34.47 | jim | so: patch -p1 < the-patch-file.patch |
| 07:34.48 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: okay, comment out everything and use these... |
| 07:34.50 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: http://www.pastebin.ca/924355 |
| 07:34.51 | jim | or, |
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| 07:35.08 | jim | put the patch just outside of src |
| 07:35.15 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: when you have just those 2 lines active, run aptitude update a couple of times |
| 07:35.29 | jim | cd there too (that's the important part to patch, where your cwd is) |
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| 07:35.41 | jsemmanue1 | thanks Dewi |
| 07:35.42 | jsemmanue1 | i am on it |
| 07:35.43 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: then try a 'aptitude install' and see what happens |
| 07:35.53 | jim | and then you'd do patch -p0 < the-patch |
| 07:35.53 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: no package name, just let it do stuff and see how it feels |
| 07:35.54 | jim_p | ok i will |
| 07:36.03 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: should try to resolve any existing dependancy problems |
| 07:36.04 | jim_p | thanks |
| 07:36.29 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: if it tries to install hundreds of things, maybe stop and examine the situation |
| 07:36.33 | jim | see, now you have a pretty specific ability, to read a patch and figure out how to apply it |
| 07:36.37 | jsemmanue1 | how do i stop? |
| 07:36.55 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: it asks, normally |
| 07:36.58 | jim | you have to run the opposite direction the earth is spinning |
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| 07:37.09 | jsemmanue1 | in anycase i don't have any data on the system, so it is quite easy to reinstall. oh, if it asks, i will let you know. |
| 07:37.12 | jim | that's the only way to stop! |
| 07:37.25 | jim_p | :| wow! |
| 07:37.36 | jim_p | oen more thing, irrelevant though |
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| 07:38.09 | Obligatory | 'dnsmasq' with DHCP, anybody? |
| 07:38.20 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: well hopefully you can get back to a "normal" etch state |
| 07:38.40 | jim_p | when i issue a shutdown, i go to runlevel 0, when a reboot to runlevel 6, right? when i issue a logoff? |
| 07:38.42 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: you probably thought etch had no packages because you only had an "updates" source, which meant you only saw packages that have changed since etch released |
| 07:38.50 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: it actually has a lot more packages :) |
| 07:39.13 | jsemmanue1 | dewi http://www.pastebin.ca/924358 |
| 07:39.20 | jsemmanue1 | seems to be some trouble |
| 07:39.25 | jim | jim_p: logoff does neither, it leaves the machine on |
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| 07:39.41 | jim_p | ok |
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| 07:40.13 | jim | you stay in the same runlevel, none of the runlevel scripts get run, that part doesn't change |
| 07:40.23 | jim_p | how do i write a script to be executed at logoff then? |
| 07:40.24 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: no that is fine |
| 07:40.25 | jsemmanue1 | what does it mean by packages kept back? |
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| 07:40.39 | jsemmanue1 | so i try 'aptitude install vlc' now? |
| 07:40.41 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: it just means there are security fixes available, if you say 'aptitude upgrade' it will install them |
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| 07:40.54 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: you don't have to (you should do it soon though) |
| 07:41.00 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: you can try vlc now, yes |
| 07:41.09 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: just wait a moment |
| 07:41.19 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: try aptitude install -f |
| 07:41.20 | jsemmanue1 | it works!! |
| 07:41.27 | jsemmanue1 | just aptitude install vlc |
| 07:41.30 | Dewi | it will also try and fix any problems |
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| 07:41.31 | Dewi | okay, cool |
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| 07:41.57 | exobyte_ | my machine doesn't have a /usr/include/sys directory |
| 07:42.03 | jsemmanue1 | permission to use this conversation on my blog? |
| 07:42.08 | jsemmanue1 | dewi |
| 07:43.11 | Guerin | since when do blogs require permission for anything? |
| 07:43.15 | jim_p | oh yeah! i jus applied the pathc, recompiled... and no difference! |
| 07:43.28 | Guerin | anything anyone says on teh intarweb is immediately public |
| 07:44.29 | jim | jim_p: no difference? |
| 07:46.24 | jim_p | yea |
| 07:46.37 | jim_p | there is no ... visual difference |
| 07:46.54 | jim_p | considering that aurora is a theme engine |
| 07:46.57 | Dewi | jsemmanue1: oh. sure! |
| 07:47.02 | jsemmanue1 | thanks |
| 07:47.14 | jsemmanue1 | guerin: assumed it was polite to ask |
| 07:48.06 | Dewi | Guerin: yeah, I found out recently it's quite easy to google up a lot of irc ranting of mine :) |
| 07:48.43 | jim | jim_p: so no difference is a good thing? |
| 07:48.44 | Dewi | Guerin: I actually recently googled for a problem I was having, and found a poorly-nick-censored log of myself discussing the same problem years previously |
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| 07:49.30 | rjm | how do I just install x11 |
| 07:49.46 | jim_p | jim: well... i expected to see something "mindblowing"! |
| 07:50.05 | Dewi | rjm: usually it's easiest just to install the window-manager / desktop environment you want and the deps do the rest |
| 07:50.22 | rjm | Dewi: what do you use |
| 07:50.22 | xingu | Dewi: plausible deniability - "that must have been some other dewi" |
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| 07:50.27 | jim | rjm: you know x is client/server right? |
| 07:50.29 | Dewi | xingu: indeed |
| 07:50.36 | rjm | jim: no I'm a newb |
| 07:50.38 | Dewi | rjm: I don't. |
| 07:50.44 | Dewi | rjm: gnome I guess |
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| 07:50.53 | rjm | what about for developers |
| 07:50.56 | rjm | KDE? |
| 07:51.06 | Dewi | rjm: but not often. If you want it to load on boot you'll also want the daemon that starts it up on boot, gdm in the case of gnome |
| 07:51.31 | Dewi | rjm: there is no clear winner out of gnome and kde really |
| 07:51.35 | jim | rjm: there's this thing called an x server, it puts video, it listens to keyboard and mouse |
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| 07:51.46 | rjm | k |
| 07:52.10 | Dewi | rjm: anyway ask the bot about 'gnome' or 'kde' and it will give you some good metapackages to start you off |
| 07:52.10 | jim | everything else is an x client, which connects to the server to have a display and terminal |
| 07:52.18 | Dewi | rjm: the bot being 'dpkg' here, msg it |
| 07:53.08 | rjm | would the computer blow up if I installed both of them |
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| 08:01.02 | Dewi | rjm: no, it would be fine |
| 08:01.27 | Dewi | rjm: apart from that daemon that starts it after boot, you should only run one of them :P |
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| 08:02.12 | Dewi | rjm: I'm not good with the whole X thing though |
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| 08:05.23 | rjm | last question, what defines what is run at startup, such as said daemon |
| 08:05.47 | Dewi | rjm: I don't know, but by default gdm will start a login screen that will take you into gnome |
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| 08:06.17 | Dewi | rjm: whether this can be reconfigured, I don't know, but gnome has gdm and kde has kdm |
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| 08:09.01 | wols_ | a!tell rjm about sysvconfig |
| 08:09.12 | wols_ | !tell rjm about sysvconfig |
| 08:09.14 | rjm | !tell rjm about sysvconfig |
| 08:09.16 | jim | I tried to use dch to add a changelog entry for my custom kernel, but it kept claiming it was trying to make the one this source made before... |
| 08:09.22 | wols_ | !tell rjm about selftell |
| 08:10.00 | rjm | well it didn't work so nya |
| 08:10.02 | jim | !message the bot for helper |
| 08:10.05 | jim | !message the bot for helpers |
| 08:10.19 | jim | shoot |
| 08:10.29 | jim | !msg the bot for helpers |
| 08:10.30 | dpkg | please tell people to /msg apt <factoid name> rather than use tell; then they do it once by their own choice. |
| 08:10.36 | jim | there it is! |
| 08:10.43 | Dewi | well that cut down noise |
| 08:10.47 | Dewi | :) |
| 08:11.37 | jim | there's not much damage to be had by the noise anyway, not right now anyway |
| 08:12.09 | Dewi | I know, but I can't resist |
| 08:12.45 | jim | don't resist answering the question I posed... oh, I'll finish it: what am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:13.43 | jim | resistance is futile... but reactance will get a borg cube every time... |
| 08:14.03 | rjm | what are most linux GUI apps based on then, x11? firefox etc..? |
| 08:14.15 | Dewi | jim: yeah I often find that :/ |
| 08:15.12 | Dewi | rjm: they run under x11 but there are lots of different apis in use |
| 08:15.25 | jim | rjm: yes most are built to display on an x server |
| 08:15.29 | rjm | apis per OS? |
| 08:15.44 | tarzeau | rjm: i'm not sure there's more for x or not |
| 08:16.17 | jim | btw, (almost?) every linux gui app is an "x client" |
| 08:16.40 | tarzeau | jim: there's some (all svgalib and sdl ones that can work without x) |
| 08:16.55 | tarzeau | sdl can run in svgalib and fb |
| 08:17.35 | Dewi | svgalib stuff is pretty rare these days, isn't it? |
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| 08:17.50 | tarzeau | Dewi: yes, but it still works without x |
| 08:18.13 | tarzeau | you can tell sdl to display in svgalib instead of x11 |
| 08:18.23 | Dewi | tarzeau: that's kind of handy |
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| 08:19.06 | tarzeau | i sometimes use links2 -g with svgalib or fb |
| 08:19.11 | k-man | do i have to do anything special to get usb devices to auto mount? |
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| 08:19.27 | tarzeau | k-man: no, check /media/ |
| 08:19.36 | k-man | tarzeau, its not there |
| 08:20.34 | k-man | but when i run gnome-volume-manager-gthumb manualy, it seems to find my usb devie |
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| 08:21.25 | tarzeau | k-man: ah true you need to run that |
| 08:21.43 | k-man | tarzeau, shouldn't it run manualy? |
| 08:21.48 | k-man | i mean |
| 08:21.49 | tarzeau | k-man: no |
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| 08:21.56 | k-man | automatically? |
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| 08:26.29 | rjm | err, I installed kde-desktop, everything appears to have installed successfully |
| 08:26.43 | rjm | yet when I login there's no desktop, still cli |
| 08:28.59 | jim | rjm: kde-desktop consists of clients |
| 08:29.15 | jim | which are programs that display on a server |
| 08:29.30 | jim | so you need a server |
| 08:29.36 | rjm | okay, it appears I haven't started the server, though kdm is installed and running |
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| 08:29.59 | jim | do you know how to get out of X if it starts? |
| 08:30.17 | rjm | I do not |
| 08:30.38 | jim | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 08:30.45 | jim | that would be how to get out |
| 08:30.49 | rjm | as I said though I'm not even in it |
| 08:30.50 | jim | so: now try X |
| 08:30.50 | maligor | or kill the root program |
| 08:30.51 | wols_ | rjm: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99* |
| 08:31.15 | maligor | </useless facts> |
| 08:31.41 | rjm | wols_ it lists kdm |
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| 08:31.51 | wols_ | rjm: ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 08:32.23 | rjm | no response |
| 08:32.43 | wols_ | ps aux |grp kdm |
| 08:32.50 | wols_ | and this time I want to see the output |
| 08:32.53 | Nyle | grp |
| 08:32.56 | wols_ | ALL of it. pastbin |
| 08:32.57 | Nyle | indeed |
| 08:32.59 | wols_ | ps aux |grep kdm |
| 08:33.07 | wols_ | Nyle: bal |
| 08:33.17 | Nyle | bal means hair in Urdu |
| 08:33.18 | Nyle | :) |
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| 08:35.01 | rjm | output: http://07261982.net/wat/what.bmp |
| 08:35.45 | wols_ | rjm: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 08:35.52 | Dewi | rjm: how did you do that? |
| 08:36.09 | Dewi | rjm: is that vmware? |
| 08:36.19 | rjm | this is on a virtual machine, I don't have copy/paste setup on it |
| 08:36.22 | rjm | yes |
| 08:36.27 | wols_ | rjm: doh! |
| 08:36.35 | rjm | wols_: do-oh? |
| 08:36.53 | Dewi | rjm: don't worry about vmware clipboard, you can use ssh |
| 08:36.53 | wols_ | what X driver do you use? |
| 08:37.20 | rjm | wols_: I just installed the fresh kde-desktop package, so whatever that uses |
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| 08:37.38 | wols_ | it doesn't use anything |
| 08:37.44 | wols_ | did you install xorg? |
| 08:37.52 | rjm | ah, there's the problem |
| 08:38.02 | Dewi | wols_: surely the dep from kdm would install that? |
| 08:38.09 | wols_ | Dewi: no |
| 08:38.16 | Dewi | oh :( |
| 08:38.20 | wols_ | xlcients don't depend on X servers, ever |
| 08:38.22 | Dewi | rjm: that's some bad advice from me then |
| 08:38.29 | wols_ | you can run remote X perfectly fine, all you need is xlibs |
| 08:38.37 | rjm | Dewi: no problemo |
| 08:38.37 | Dewi | wols_: but kdm starts an X server, it's more than just an X client |
| 08:38.42 | wols_ | rjm: dpkg -l |grep xorg |
| 08:38.48 | rjm | it's installing now |
| 08:39.32 | Dewi | rjm: you can run X over a network, so you can actually install pretty much everything without getting a server. I have no server, but I use firefox over a network, for example |
| 08:39.49 | rjm | uuh |
| 08:39.51 | Dewi | rjm: I didn't realise you could install kdm without getting a server though |
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| 08:41.06 | jim | you can,,, and then you could run clients on one box to display on a server on another |
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| 08:42.31 | rjm | are you guys talking about haveing 2 or more machines with one being a dedicated server for x apps (internet-enabled), while other machines are on the local network only? |
| 08:42.35 | rjm | having* |
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| 08:43.23 | bojane | hi |
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| 08:43.48 | dondelelcaro | rjm: all it means is that you run the application on a different machine than you display it on. |
| 08:43.53 | dondelelcaro | rjm: nothing particularly exciting there |
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| 08:44.05 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: for fomer windows users it is |
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| 08:44.16 | bojane | who knows what netbus is? |
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| 08:44.37 | Dewi | rjm: not specifically. But for example at my old university, they had maybe 2 servers with all the apps running on them, and dozens of workstations where each user would display the apps |
| 08:44.41 | wols_ | bojane: how is this debian related? |
| 08:45.02 | bojane | the debian people seem to be technically advanced |
| 08:45.22 | Dewi | bojane: yeah, but socially unfriendly if you go off topic :) |
| 08:45.23 | wols_ | bojane: this is a debian support channel only. we only answer debian support questions |
| 08:45.28 | wols_ | now leave please |
| 08:45.34 | wols_ | or ask a debian related question |
| 08:45.36 | bojane | relax |
| 08:45.50 | bojane | whats the best book for a beginner learning debian? |
| 08:45.57 | wols_ | !ig |
| 08:45.57 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 08:46.12 | wols_ | !tell bojane about grounding |
| 08:46.29 | dondelelcaro | bojane: depends about what portions you want to know. "The Debian System" is probably the most comprehensive printed book, but there's plenty of good electronic documentation |
| 08:47.07 | bojane | all my firewall are disabled and i got patch.exe installed on my pc without a password and my ip is 71.155.231.239 |
| 08:47.20 | bojane | anybody can connect if u want to |
| 08:47.25 | Dewi | bojane: kaaay |
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| 08:47.35 | wols_ | about time |
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| 08:47.52 | dondelelcaro | bojane: take the next 10 minutes to formulate a Debian related question. If you don't have one, kindly stay on topic. |
| 08:48.19 | dondelelcaro | wols_: he was here for all of 4 minutes; /ignore works too. |
| 08:48.51 | xingu | netbus, how retro. |
| 08:49.12 | dondelelcaro | it's always better to tell people what's on and off topic in as nice of a way as possible; if anyone doesn't want to be nice about it, best to just use /ignore |
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| 08:50.26 | Nyle | wols_ is irritable tonight |
| 08:51.16 | wols_ | s/tonight/every day |
| 08:51.27 | Nyle | of course, wols_ seems to be technically advanced ;) |
| 08:51.32 | Nyle | hehe |
| 08:51.43 | xingu | back in the day when I cared about such things, I once set up a transparent payload-based tap and intercept for netbus probes in distribution; used to steer them over to a honeypot by way of a 8Kbps @ 4% packet loss shaper |
| 08:51.44 | Nyle | wow its almost 4am and I'm still workin gon this site |
| 08:51.56 | Dewi | Nyle: there is absolutely a correlation |
| 08:51.59 | xingu | doing my bit for human misery, always cheered me up |
| 08:52.05 | Nyle | is there even any reason to move to xhtml? |
| 08:52.15 | Nyle | I meah html 4 works just as well doesn't it? |
| 08:52.26 | xingu | Nyle: yeah, it's got the x-factor |
| 08:52.38 | cahoot | OT? |
| 08:52.43 | Nyle | I'll stick with 4 strict |
| 08:52.47 | Dewi | Nyle: the only reason to use xhtml is to feed it into an xml tool |
| 08:53.01 | Dewi | Nyle: html 4 is currently recommended by most people who know their stuff |
| 08:53.03 | Nyle | I'm not doing that though |
| 08:53.18 | Nyle | I tried nvu and whats that, bluefish i like as an editor |
| 08:53.25 | Dewi | Nyle: exactly. I tend to like processing things in xhtml and then, well, converting to html 4 at the end |
| 08:53.33 | Nyle | but man I need something that has good autocomplete etc. |
| 08:53.43 | Nyle | you know, maybe some code generation |
| 08:53.53 | Dewi | Nyle: yeah I dunno I just use vim |
| 08:54.16 | Dewi | Nyle: nvu is the obvious answer though, in opensource |
| 08:54.40 | Dewi | not that I've used it for more than 5 mins |
| 08:54.45 | Nyle | I can't stand it |
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| 08:55.02 | Nyle | dirty looking code pisses me off |
| 08:55.17 | Dewi | Nyle: I knew an emacs fan who had some pretty fancy html/xml completion stuff, but I can't deal with emacs |
| 08:55.45 | Dewi | I've tried a few similar vim ones, but they were pretty awkward |
| 08:55.57 | xingu | is amaya a credible editor for such things yet? |
| 08:56.11 | Nyle | I haven't used it except as a browser |
| 08:56.15 | Nyle | and only in passing, so I can' tsay |
| 08:56.22 | Dewi | xingu: I think it's back towards wysiwyg isn't it? |
| 08:56.41 | Dewi | xingu: (a bad thing on the web every time I've seen it) |
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| 08:57.01 | xingu | Dewi: fair call, just wondering if it'd stopped crashing yet ;) |
| 08:57.08 | Dewi | xingu: hehe, I have no idea |
| 08:57.23 | Dewi | xingu: but it's made by w3 so it will probably be mature around 2100 or so |
| 08:57.36 | xingu | to be quite brutal about it, I find document formatting directives about as enthralling as new and broken application layer wire protocols |
| 08:57.52 | xingu | ie, they're only worth inspecting when they're busted |
| 08:57.57 | Dewi | xingu: the second sounds sexier |
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| 08:58.38 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: do you have a timer to do that, or do you just have a decent memory? |
| 08:59.02 | xingu | and what is _up_ with these new network enginears that want to tune tcp for maximum fragility? |
| 08:59.15 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I've so forgotten about that guy by now |
| 08:59.56 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: there's a timer |
| 09:00.18 | Dewi | xingu: if systems worked reliably people could use them to attack us! that's what I learned from the world of email anti-spam anyway :P |
| 09:00.55 | xingu | I think in the last two months I've been dragged into low double digits of cases which all ultimately boiled down to "well yeah, if you defeat recovery, you're going to die a nasty retrans-collapse related death, given sufficient time" |
| 09:01.23 | bojane | hi |
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| 09:01.45 | bojane | is etch the same thing as saying debian? |
| 09:01.49 | Dewi | xingu: dumb old ethernet seems to work admirably. You never configure anything, you can plug wired segments into wireless segments... completely zero configuration and it seems to work |
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| 09:01.56 | xingu | "tuning up" tcp by favouring socket death over retrans.. nice one numbskulls. |
| 09:02.00 | Dewi | bojane: no etch is the codename of a specific version of debian released mid-2007 |
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| 09:02.17 | bojane | what is the latest release of etch? |
| 09:02.30 | Dewi | bojane: ... etch. |
| 09:02.35 | Dewi | bojane: bye! |
| 09:02.39 | bojane | what? |
| 09:02.47 | bojane | im askin real questions |
| 09:03.03 | bojane | i was gona ask where i could find a book specifically about the latest etch |
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| 09:03.10 | Dewi | bojane: etch *is* the latest release, of debian |
| 09:03.11 | bojane | thats why i asked about there version |
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| 09:03.27 | mateusz | Hi |
| 09:03.40 | mateusz | Does debian installer support wpa connection ? |
| 09:04.15 | Dewi | mateusz: I don't know for sure, but it sounds painful |
| 09:04.36 | mateusz | Dewi: I think about WiFi and WPA2 |
| 09:05.19 | mateusz | Dewi: I tried to install but it runs dhclient without any authentication ;/ |
| 09:05.37 | Dewi | mateusz: probably much less pain to set it up after install. I'd be using a wire, a CD, or turning off crypto. Assuming your wireless card has hardware support. |
| 09:06.05 | Dewi | mateusz: if dhcp fails you can supply IP settings manually |
| 09:08.03 | mateusz | Dewi: when new debian will be released? |
| 09:09.06 | streuner | !test |
| 09:09.06 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:09.23 | Supaplex | !C8H10N4O2 |
| 09:09.23 | dpkg | methinks c8h10n4o2 is caffeine |
| 09:10.15 | Dewi | mateusz: no dates yet. They talk about early 2009 |
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| 09:10.30 | Dewi | mateusz: end of 08 / start of 09 |
| 09:11.03 | Dewi | ** pure speculation ** |
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| 09:13.40 | mateusz | ok |
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| 09:18.28 | Dewi | anyone know of a vnc server implementation supporting RANDR? |
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| 09:26.22 | jim | Dewi: what's RANDR |
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| 09:26.46 | Dewi | jim: rotate and resize. I'd like to resize my desktop to fit the vnc client screen size |
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| 09:27.14 | jim | oh, R AND R |
| 09:27.45 | Supaplex | speaking of R&R. time for some Z&Z&Z&Z&Z&Z&Z&Z. :) |
| 09:28.00 | Dewi | jim: I've found a recent patch but it's just a post on a mailing list |
| 09:28.25 | Dewi | jim: I really thought by now remoting linux would be as easy as remote desktop |
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| 09:29.24 | billgatess | hello again :) i installed debian but i now want to change from gnome to xfce, what do i have to do? |
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| 09:30.18 | Supaplex | I'm sure billgatess could ask a lackey to do that. |
| 09:30.21 | Supaplex | !xfce |
| 09:30.21 | dpkg | well, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins. |
| 09:30.42 | Dewi | Supaplex: he's too ashamed |
| 09:31.22 | billgatess | the thing is i dont know nothing about linux :), first timer, dont know how to install, uninstall... |
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| 09:33.06 | o7andrew | I just downloaded a password protected .rar from rapidshare >is there any way to bypass the password guys? |
| 09:33.17 | billgatess | not a chance |
| 09:33.26 | o7andrew | oh |
| 09:34.05 | SpeedyG | you could try to hit it with a hammer ^_^ |
| 09:34.07 | billgatess | there are programs that force passwords to try open the file, but they can last days even months without having any success |
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| 09:34.52 | billgatess | u have to look the file name on the web see where has been discussed and check if someone posted the password |
| 09:35.32 | billgatess | anyway, can i install xfce without uninstalling gnome? |
| 09:35.40 | SpeedyG | yes |
| 09:35.42 | Dewi | billgatess: yes |
| 09:35.57 | o7andrew | its ok, dumassnoob sees the pw= on the first page! |
| 09:36.15 | billgatess | ok, but heres the tricky... how can i install xfce |
| 09:36.32 | SpeedyG | aptitude install xfce4 ? |
| 09:36.37 | Dewi | billgatess: aptitude install xfce4, like the bot told you? |
| 09:36.44 | o7andrew | http://ylow.blogspot.com/2007/08/va-illegal-pirate-radio-ii.html some nice oldskool in case you're interested |
| 09:36.47 | billgatess | where i type that? |
| 09:37.02 | billgatess | i know nothing about linux :) |
| 09:37.19 | SpeedyG | billgatess: then its time to start learning :) |
| 09:37.22 | Dewi | billgatess: into a terminal, as root |
| 09:37.36 | Dewi | billgatess: you can use 'su' to become root |
| 09:37.53 | SpeedyG | billgatess: if you're logged in on gnome, you might otherwise use synaptic :) |
| 09:37.58 | billgatess | yeh but where do i type all that? |
| 09:38.06 | billgatess | yes im logged with gnome |
| 09:38.17 | Dewi | billgatess: into a terminal, like I said |
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| 09:38.51 | billgatess | ok i think i opened one |
| 09:39.21 | billgatess | i went aplications -> accesories -> <root> Terminal |
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| 09:39.32 | billgatess | is that good? |
| 09:39.43 | Dewi | yeah |
| 09:39.51 | Dewi | you should be able to use the package manager, aptitude, in there |
| 09:40.20 | billgatess | only thing i have to do so is type aptitude install xfce4? |
| 09:41.21 | billgatess | i think i got it now, lots of lines started to appear, seems to be downloading something :) |
| 09:43.04 | billgatess | where can i learn how to use the terminal |
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| 09:47.16 | jim | bb |
| 09:47.35 | billgatess | Dewi how can i know when finished? is that going to install it automaticly? |
| 09:47.45 | SpeedyG | !newbie_guide |
| 09:47.45 | dpkg | it has been said that newbie_guide is at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 , http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ , http://www.aboutdebian.com/, or http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/, or see <newbiedoc> |
| 09:48.00 | SpeedyG | billgatess: those links are pretty useful if you're new to linux/debian |
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| 09:48.03 | Dewi | billgatess: it has finished when you get back to the # prompt |
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| 09:48.32 | billgatess | Dewi yes i got the prompt, but that means its already installed? |
| 09:49.00 | billgatess | SpeedyG i surely read those right now |
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| 09:49.14 | Dewi | billgatess: it depends what aptitude told you |
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| 09:50.25 | billgatess | how so? at the end all the lines were "configuring xdfce4-session (4.3.99.1-2)" and others like that, then at the last one i got the prompt |
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| 09:53.47 | alww | hello how to configure adsl modem (via ethernet) in debian? note: I have to provide a username and password, the modem doesn't have the standard interface routers usually have |
| 09:55.15 | billgatess | how do i even restart the computer LOL |
| 09:55.24 | SpeedyG | billgatess: why would you want to? :) |
| 09:55.52 | SpeedyG | !reboot |
| 09:55.53 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 09:55.54 | billgatess | because i guess xfce is already installed and i want to switch |
| 09:56.08 | wols_ | switch to xfce? simply restart X |
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| 09:56.29 | billgatess | do i have to type that in a terminal also? |
| 09:56.42 | alww | anyone please how do i configure pppoe? |
| 09:56.51 | SpeedyG | billgatess: log off gnome, and then log in again (usually restarts X) and select xfce in your sessions |
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| 09:57.38 | billgatess | how do i even log off gnome? |
| 09:57.44 | billgatess | my god i feel so noob |
| 09:57.59 | SpeedyG | billgatess: through the menu |
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| 09:58.04 | SpeedyG | one of them has log off in there |
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| 09:58.26 | SpeedyG | and if you're lazy to find it... press ctrl-alt-backspace.. that will forcefully restart X |
| 09:59.21 | billgatess | thats easier :) |
| 09:59.30 | SpeedyG | true, but not the best way :P |
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| 10:00.11 | billgatess | im starting xfce now :D cool |
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| 10:01.05 | billgatess | SpeedyG theres nothing like refresh on linux right? i mean right click on desktop and refresh |
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| 10:01.25 | SpeedyG | billgatess: euhm, depends on what you want to refresh I guess |
| 10:01.33 | Dewi | billgatess: why do you want to refresh? |
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| 10:02.12 | netsrot | if etch cd doesn't boot, is it best to use sarge and distupgrade? |
| 10:02.19 | billgatess | im used to do it on windows, u know when u close an app, windows gets a lil bit slow and u refresh destop a few times and back to normal |
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| 10:03.02 | cusco | netsrot: what do you mean etc doesn't boot? |
| 10:03.12 | cusco | if etch doesn't boot probably nor will sarge |
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| 10:03.16 | SpeedyG | billgatess: euhm.... i've never had that on windows either ... |
| 10:03.35 | cusco | netsrot: have you checked your boot sequence in your computer bios? |
| 10:03.41 | netsrot | cusco: sarge does, it's an old computer, and it can read etch cd perfectly except during boot. |
| 10:04.16 | netsrot | cusco: yes as sarge cd does boot that isn't the problem =) |
| 10:04.16 | cusco | do you mean... it boots but doesn't read everything form ir? |
| 10:04.18 | cusco | it? |
| 10:04.43 | cusco | netsrot: any chance it was bad burned (with no boot flag for instance)? |
| 10:04.43 | billgatess | Speedism nvm :D, look how can i install firefox now? |
| 10:04.49 | netsrot | cusco: no I said etch doesn't boot, but if I boot with sarge and switch I can read it. |
| 10:04.56 | billgatess | SpeedyG* |
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| 10:05.17 | SpeedyG | billgatess: the same way you've installed xfce |
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| 10:05.38 | billgatess | aptitude uninstall firefox? |
| 10:05.42 | billgatess | install* |
| 10:05.46 | SpeedyG | !tell billgatess about aptitude |
| 10:05.54 | SpeedyG | see the pm, read those links in there |
| 10:06.02 | SpeedyG | that might give a bit more info on aptitude |
| 10:06.08 | cusco | billgatess: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 10:06.21 | cusco | netsrot: I don't know... sorry |
| 10:06.28 | netsrot | cusco: nope it boots on other computers and it doesn't have any problems being used after boot on that computer. |
| 10:06.31 | billgatess | no i want firefox, i know is the same, but dont like the "iceweasel" name |
| 10:06.45 | billgatess | SpeedyG and how do i unistall gnome? |
| 10:06.55 | netsrot | but there is no harm in using sarge and just dist upgrading? |
| 10:07.14 | cusco | netsrot: are you trying a net insall? |
| 10:07.20 | netsrot | cusco: yes |
| 10:07.38 | SpeedyG | billgatess: iceweasel is the only alternative you have in debian |
| 10:07.46 | cusco | try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:07.47 | netsrot | cusco: I wounder if there is a lot of garbage files left from sarge. |
| 10:08.10 | SpeedyG | or at least, the one sane alternative |
| 10:08.17 | cusco | I wouldn't know netsrot |
| 10:08.25 | billgatess | SpeedyG but i saw a picture of xfc desktop with firefox icon in it |
| 10:08.41 | billgatess | in debian |
| 10:08.51 | cusco | billgatess: you can download firefox and run it from firefox website... ofcourse |
| 10:09.56 | billgatess | run it from firefox website? |
| 10:10.01 | billgatess | isnt that slow |
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| 10:10.12 | SpeedyG | billgatess: download the installer from the firefox site, and then install that |
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| 10:10.28 | SpeedyG | thats the other alternative, but given your level of experience, I wouldnt recommend that |
| 10:10.40 | netsrot | cusco: I was reading there was problems with installer in lenny, is it possible to install now? |
| 10:10.44 | SpeedyG | usually, people on the debian support channels arent very friendly about non-debian packages |
| 10:11.11 | cusco | netsrot: I dunno.. I installed fine |
| 10:11.22 | cusco | but it was a while ago |
| 10:11.27 | netsrot | cusco: great, I will try it on my newer computers =) |
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| 10:11.40 | billgatess | SpeedyG i already downloaded it, i decompressed it, but dont know wich file to run to install it |
| 10:12.06 | SpeedyG | billgatess: see the other two things I just said? :) |
| 10:12.39 | billgatess | now i did: |
| 10:12.46 | billgatess | :D |
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| 10:13.23 | SpeedyG | so the most sane idea for now, is use iceweasel until you're experienced enough to install firefox ;) |
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| 10:13.47 | Haris | Hello people |
| 10:13.56 | billgatess | ok thx for the advice SpeedyG, look but now how do i uninstall gnome? |
| 10:14.09 | Haris | what's the default number of open file descriptors one can have on etch r2? and limit of open connections as well |
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| 10:15.56 | Haris | Do I need to rebuild the kernel to have more connections, open file descriptors? |
| 10:16.32 | SpeedyG | !tell billgatess -about remove gnome |
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| 10:16.54 | SpeedyG | billgatess: see PM |
| 10:16.55 | mbroeker | Haris, http://www.netadmintools.com/art295.html |
| 10:16.59 | billgatess | that bot is leet |
| 10:17.49 | SpeedyG | billgatess: you might want to PM that bot for more info on any subject you can think of, if it has info, it will show it.. just PM it with a keyword (for instance iceweasel, remove gnome, or newbie info) |
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| 10:18.17 | Haris | # lsof -i|wc -l: 268 and # lsof |wc -l: 1935 |
| 10:18.21 | DustyBin | imagine billgatess was really bill gates |
| 10:18.54 | Haris | great! |
| 10:19.00 | mbroeker | Haris, if you have any good reason to alter/tweak this settings, edit /etc/sysctl.conf... |
| 10:19.06 | Haris | we don't need to rebiuld the kernel, tuning /proc/something can handle it |
| 10:19.11 | billgatess | who said im not? |
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| 10:19.38 | Haris | mbroeker: This is a nat/masq box which is sort of internet gateway and much more for LAN clients |
| 10:19.46 | Haris | this box has squid on it and 50 clients behind it |
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| 10:20.07 | SpeedyG | billgatess: I assume, the real bill gates would pick up this stuff on a much higher pace :P |
| 10:20.08 | Haris | mbroeker: I think that's sufficient |
| 10:20.08 | tdn | I am trying to make virtual users work with vsftpd and pam, but for some reason, my db with the virtual users is ignored. Local system users *are* allowed login, but the virtual users are not. My /etc/vsftpd.conf is here : http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1077.html, I /etc/pam.d/ftp a symbolic link to /etc/vsftpd.pam, which can be seen here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1078.html. |
| 10:20.15 | Haris | If I add this box to also be a CVS server |
| 10:20.19 | Haris | that would add to it |
| 10:20.24 | billgatess | XD |
| 10:20.43 | billgatess | SpeedyG i pmed dpkg but dont anwer anything |
| 10:20.44 | Haris | SpeedyG: He's a lawyer, what do you expect? :p |
| 10:21.09 | SpeedyG | billgatess: perhaps he doesnt know the answer then ;) |
| 10:21.23 | maligor | and I don't see what he would be doing in Venezuela |
| 10:21.28 | Haris | # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 10:21.28 | Haris | 102271 |
| 10:21.31 | Haris | hmm |
| 10:21.39 | Haris | this is much higher than I expected |
| 10:21.39 | mbroeker | Haris, cp /etc/sysctl.conf /etc/sysctl.conf.orig && sysctl -a > /etc/sysctl.conf && nano /etc/sysctl.conf There is so many to tweak... |
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| 10:21.45 | billgatess | hehe |
| 10:21.53 | SpeedyG | maligor: or on a debian support channel ;) |
| 10:22.05 | Haris | Is there a way to check open file descriptors at any time? |
| 10:22.27 | Haris | oof |
| 10:22.29 | Haris | the list is long |
| 10:22.53 | maligor | lsof? |
| 10:23.04 | salvin | is it possible to use two graphical cards with two different monitors, each one connected to one graphic card ? |
| 10:23.07 | SpeedyG | anyway, i'm afk.. billgatess good luck with getting used to linux ;) |
| 10:23.23 | SpeedyG | salvin: it is, but dont ask me how ;) and now i'm gone |
| 10:23.29 | salvin | i found these two bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451972 & http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443274 |
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| 10:23.55 | salvin | some news about them? |
| 10:23.59 | billgatess | SpeedyG thx a lot for ur help, i couldve send u money if i have time but got to get used to :D |
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| 10:25.15 | enouf | Haris: i don't know |
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| 10:27.00 | Haris | # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr |
| 10:27.00 | Haris | 1216 0 102271 |
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| 10:27.27 | Haris | seems, more than enough is already setup |
| 10:27.29 | Haris | =) |
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| 10:27.55 | Haris | the number of free is 0 |
| 10:27.57 | Haris | ? |
| 10:28.07 | simmerz | I'm trying to use imapsync to sync two imap servers to each other (well, a server migration actually), but it appears to be copying email over that has already been copied, despite the fact that it shouldn't |
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| 10:28.14 | simmerz | any ideas? |
| 10:28.19 | Haris | makes no sense. If 102271 is the max and 1216 are open at the moment |
| 10:28.24 | Haris | should this be, not 0 ? |
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| 10:28.33 | xlt | my postgresql socket went missing, is it possible tmpwatch or something deleted it? I'd think it shouldn't but who knows |
| 10:28.35 | Haris | shouldn't+ |
| 10:29.57 | Haris | The number of open file descriptors is column 1 - column 2; 2325 in this case. (Note: we have read contradictory definitions of the second column in newsgroups. Some people say it is the number of used allocated file descriptors - just the opposite of what we've stated here. Luckily, we can prove that the second number is free descriptors. Just launch an xterm or any new process and watch the second number go down.) |
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| 10:33.49 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/sysctl/fs.txt#L73 |
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| 10:35.46 | billgatess | how do i install adobe flash player with aptitude |
| 10:35.50 | patrik_ | hm |
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| 10:37.07 | salvin | billgatess, lenny? |
| 10:38.27 | billgatess | salvin no |
| 10:38.56 | salvin | aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 10:39.35 | billgatess | that dont work |
| 10:39.38 | itguru | Good morning everyone :) |
| 10:39.46 | Amandarn | Wooow ! |
| 10:39.54 | Amandarn | Beaucoup de gens, ici... |
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| 10:40.48 | Amandarn | En fait, je cherche quelqu'un ayant tenté de changer de distrib en ayant un multi-boot sur un macIntel... |
| 10:40.59 | dutchfish | i am trying to setup my own privat repository with special kernel builds, so far i have sources.list pointed to my new private repo and apt-get update does function and i can get all the package info with apt-cache show foo. However when i want to install a package it asks me (of coarse) if i want to install with verification because they are not authenticated yet. Also dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages (the kernel from my won repo) has M |
| 10:40.59 | dutchfish | aintainer: Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer <unknown@unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf>, how to solve those issues? |
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| 10:41.29 | Amandarn | Damn |
| 10:41.37 | Amandarn | Is it an english channel ? |
| 10:41.41 | dutchfish | yes |
| 10:41.45 | Amandarn | M'kay |
| 10:42.03 | Amandarn | So, i translate my problem... |
| 10:42.13 | Haris | This means, i'm not short of file descriptors on this box |
| 10:42.30 | Haris | I'm curious of why the value of 2nd column in that output it 0 |
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| 10:43.32 | Amandarn | I'm looking for a person who have already tried to change his distribution , having a multi-boot on a macIntel... |
| 10:44.31 | dutchfish | Amandarn, what do you mean by change distribution? upgrade par example from etch to lenny or what? |
| 10:45.07 | Amandarn | Non, change debian to sabayon or openSUSE, par example... |
| 10:46.04 | Amandarn | rEFIt is actually looking for Debian wih elilo... |
| 10:46.20 | Amandarn | and this no more exists. |
| 10:46.22 | dutchfish | Amandarn, i would not recommend that even if it turns out that it is possible, why not my space and install debian into that? |
| 10:46.45 | dutchfish | Amandarn, my space = make space |
| 10:47.36 | dutchfish | Amandarn, i dont know fro a mac, but i would prefer grub as instead of lilo |
| 10:47.49 | Amandarn | Me to ^^ |
| 10:47.53 | Amandarn | too* |
| 10:48.15 | Amandarn | But I wanted to try elilo (not lilo) |
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| 10:49.00 | dutchfish | Amandarn, you could just try a debian etch netinstall, the installer can handle those other partitions but make a backup before starting just incase, the installer can shrink curent partitions too |
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| 10:49.21 | Amandarn | I see... |
| 10:49.43 | dutchfish | Amandarn, but i dont know if it will handle lilo, normally it installs grub |
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| 10:49.53 | Amandarn | Ok, I will try and go back |
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| 10:50.35 | dutchfish | Amandarn, i am not sure if you can install grub in the boot partition along with tiger or newer, you could ask a mac channel |
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| 10:54.02 | bojane | jo |
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| 10:57.37 | salvin | biancucci, around? |
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| 11:05.55 | FordCortina | when i run update-initramfs -u it seems to ignore the script i stuck in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount ? what am i doing wrong? |
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| 11:08.56 | dutchfish | FordCortina, does update-initramfs -c -k [your kernel] work? |
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| 11:11.21 | FordCortina | dutchfish: i says the version already exists |
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| 11:11.47 | FordCortina | it* |
| 11:12.06 | Edward123 | hrm i had to do a dist-upgrade to get linux-image updatede but yet issue still lists me as being on 4.0 - am i misunderstanding dist-upgrade? i thought you only used that to actually upgrade the distro? |
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| 11:13.10 | dutchfish | FordCortina, update-initramfs -v -c -u [your kernel] |
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| 11:13.49 | giouli | hi guys can somebody help with installing the nvidia drivers |
| 11:14.09 | jJz | Edward123: etch? lenny? |
| 11:14.18 | giouli | lenny |
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| 11:14.52 | giouli | I had them installed but after reinstalling xorg I cannt use them anymore |
| 11:14.56 | FordCortina | dutchfish: it works, but i can't see my script being added |
| 11:15.12 | dutchfish | FordCortina, what script? |
| 11:15.39 | FordCortina | /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/resume |
| 11:15.50 | FordCortina | (starts tuxonice) |
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| 11:15.58 | cusco | giouli: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use nvidia driver |
| 11:16.01 | dutchfish | FordCortina, a debian kernel or custom? |
| 11:16.07 | cusco | giouli: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:16.11 | FordCortina | its a custom kernel |
| 11:16.37 | dutchfish | FordCortina, did you build it with the -initrd option? |
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| 11:16.47 | FordCortina | yes |
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| 11:16.55 | dutchfish | FordCortina, mmm |
| 11:17.00 | dutchfish | !kp mantra |
| 11:17.01 | dpkg | somebody said kp mantra was make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 11:17.15 | dutchfish | FordCortina, like that? |
| 11:17.15 | giouli | cusco: thanks, but I do that and then when I restart X it says it cann't find driver |
| 11:17.32 | cusco | giouli: reinstall the driver then |
| 11:17.43 | FordCortina | dutchfish: not like that |
| 11:17.58 | FordCortina | ill do a new build |
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| 11:18.20 | FordCortina | im pretty sure i used --initrd though |
| 11:18.25 | giouli | cusco: I think I do that. if I give modprobe -l see the module there |
| 11:18.25 | dutchfish | FordCortina, try that, it makes a nice debian package and on install with dpkg -i [yourkernel] it automagically generates the initrd image ;) |
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| 11:18.52 | dutchfish | FordCortina, i suspect something went wrong on the build |
| 11:19.40 | FordCortina | yes I have been using make-kpkg. but not with that particular incantation |
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| 11:20.40 | dutchfish | FordCortina, i sugest to build it again that way, for me this worked always with all the nice newer kernel and modules i ever wanted |
| 11:21.21 | Edward123 | hrm how do i get the smbmount program? it doesn't seem to be in 'samba' |
| 11:21.34 | Haris | The value in inode-max denotes the maximum number of inode handlers. This value should be 3-4 times larger than the value in file-max, since stdin, stdout and network sockets also need an inode struct to handle them. |
| 11:21.49 | Edward123 | ah, seems it might be 'smbfs' |
| 11:21.55 | Haris | I have no fs.inode-max in sysctl -a or under /proc/sys/fs/ |
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| 11:22.03 | Haris | How do I check it? |
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| 11:22.39 | Haris | fs.inode-state = 146370 20550 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 11:22.40 | Haris | fs.inode-nr = 146370 20550 |
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| 11:27.17 | dutchfish | i am trying to setup my own privat repository with special kernel builds, so far i have sources.list pointed to my new private repo and apt-get update does function and i can get all the package info with apt-cache show foo. However when i want to install a package it asks me (of coarse) if i want to install with verification because they are not authenticated yet. How to solve that? |
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| 11:27.40 | FordCortina | dutchfish: is there any reason why I should be using the modules_image target? |
| 11:28.23 | FordCortina | i generally use kernel_image and sometimes kernel_headers |
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| 11:28.45 | Amandarn | Now, i have an installed debian with grub |
| 11:28.50 | dutchfish | FordCortina, yes its needed for example i need kqemu-modules and sometimes lots of others |
| 11:29.07 | Amandarn | but rEFIt is again looking for elilo... |
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| 11:30.40 | dutchfish | Amandarn, i have no clue about that |
| 11:30.53 | Amandarn | Bah |
| 11:31.16 | Amandarn | I'll try to reinitialize rEFIt... |
| 11:31.32 | Amandarn | But i don't know how to do... |
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| 11:32.08 | dutchfish | Amandarn, maybe this? http://www.madingley.org/macmini/ |
| 11:32.53 | dutchfish | Amandarn, http://www.madingley.org/macmini/kernel/rtc.patch |
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| 11:33.07 | dutchfish | Amandarn, just guesing |
| 11:33.49 | dutchfish | Amandarn, try asking a mac channel |
| 11:33.56 | Amandarn | Erf |
| 11:34.14 | Amandarn | The mac channel telod me to ask a debian channel... |
| 11:34.20 | Amandarn | told* |
| 11:34.39 | dutchfish | Amandarn, or wait till some debian mac guru comes along |
| 11:34.52 | Amandarn | ok |
| 11:34.54 | enouf | Haris: for ext2/3 dumpe2fs -h /dev/hdaX |
| 11:35.10 | Amandarn | I have not anything to do apart this... |
| 11:35.27 | dutchfish | Amandarn, just curieus what hardware, and what debian etch, lenny what? |
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| 11:35.54 | Amandarn | The last version |
| 11:36.05 | Amandarn | And a macbookpro |
| 11:36.09 | enouf | Haris: you said about 50 clients behind the debian box that's acting as a router/firewall? are there any hubs/switches/routers between? some of the standard consumer grade units have something like a 40 client limit? |
| 11:37.15 | dutchfish | Amandarn, i installed on a G5 with etch along with tiger and grub as bootloader no problem so far, but i am not expirienced with mac in general |
| 11:37.25 | enouf | Haris: actually, i'm talking about an ISP Modem, not the routers/switches/hubs, but all of these might be an issue, since you never stated the actual issue, or described the error in detail, and no error messages |
| 11:37.44 | Amandarn | But the problem is that i had elilo |
| 11:38.05 | Amandarn | And now, rEFIt doesn't understand that i don't want it more ! |
| 11:38.35 | enouf | seen wiki.debian.org/MacBook ? |
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| 11:38.45 | enouf | and wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro ? |
| 11:38.46 | dutchfish | Amandarn, you could be bold and make a backup of the machine (total disk dump) and install grub in the boot sector but i cant promise that will work out |
| 11:39.13 | spacix | Anyone maybe has an idea how come that I can't use the aliasses i have set in .bash_profile in a screen session, but can OUTSIDE a screen session? |
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| 11:39.25 | Amandarn | Yes, but I don't have anymore my macOsX install' DVD |
| 11:39.27 | Haris | enouf: 3COM 2226 superstack switches |
| 11:39.37 | Haris | they are old, but they work |
| 11:39.42 | Amandarn | I'll try |
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| 11:39.49 | Haris | the switch <-> switch is 1 gbps |
| 11:39.51 | Amandarn | I make a backup... |
| 11:39.55 | Haris | and client boxes are on 100 Mbps |
| 11:39.58 | Haris | lan |
| 11:40.28 | dutchfish | Amandarn, for just a few books you can reorder the OSx cd if you have a valid license |
| 11:40.29 | enouf | Haris: so the issue goes away if you remove say 10 clients? |
| 11:40.38 | Haris | Nope |
| 11:40.42 | Haris | last night, when the office closed |
| 11:40.43 | enouf | 20? |
| 11:40.43 | dutchfish | Amandarn, books = bucks |
| 11:40.58 | Haris | I had some 9 people at office |
| 11:41.03 | Haris | and it was still the same |
| 11:41.14 | enouf | Haris: ok, describe "same" |
| 11:41.17 | Amandarn | ah ? |
| 11:41.22 | Amandarn | I'll try, so |
| 11:41.24 | getty_ | hi i've a problem, when i type ./configure (to install wesnoth) i get the following error-message: http://paste.husk.org/10962 |
| 11:41.27 | danand_ | spacix - try typing bash in your screen session. this will (hopefully) cause it to read that file. Don't think those files are parsed in some situations |
| 11:41.31 | Haris | browsing off the box was dead slow |
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| 11:41.34 | getty_ | what do i do wrong? |
| 11:41.39 | spacix | ok |
| 11:41.40 | Haris | sometimes pages don't open |
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| 11:41.51 | enouf | spacix: i use .bashrc |
| 11:41.57 | Haris | I say browsing, because |
| 11:42.07 | Haris | the rest is transparent through this box, being NAT'ted out |
| 11:42.14 | Haris | remote desktop works |
| 11:42.21 | DawnLight | getty_: make a backport |
| 11:42.21 | amorel | i was wondering how two assign 2 ethernets each an external IP and being able to ping eithyer from the internet |
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| 11:42.32 | DawnLight | !tell getty_ about ssb |
| 11:42.34 | spacix | yep thanks enouf |
| 11:42.36 | enouf | ugh, too complex for me Haris , sorry - tried networking? |
| 11:42.45 | enouf | erm #networking |
| 11:42.51 | amorel | i can configure them fine in /etc/network/interfaces, but only 1 i can ping outside |
| 11:42.52 | Getty | getty_???? |
| 11:42.52 | FordCortina | dutchfish: im such an idiot! i forgot to make my resume script executable |
| 11:42.57 | Haris | I'll check them out |
| 11:43.01 | FordCortina | dutchfish: now it works |
| 11:43.01 | Getty | getty_: you definitly got the wrong nick ;) |
| 11:43.11 | dutchfish | FordCortina, ;) |
| 11:43.20 | danand_ | spacix - also check .bashrc has a line in it to make bash parse .bash_profile - ie if [ -f .bashrc ]; then; ...... |
| 11:43.26 | amorel | well i am asking about how it is configured in debian |
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| 11:43.44 | getty_ | ups, sorry, Getty |
| 11:43.46 | Haris | I was concerned about the open connections and open file descriptor limit because |
| 11:43.54 | getty_ | thx, DawnLight |
| 11:43.56 | Getty | :) |
| 11:43.57 | Haris | when I telnet from the client boxes to say www.yahoo.com 80 |
| 11:44.04 | Haris | there was no connection |
| 11:44.28 | Haris | usually the nat box should pick up the connection right away, even if it can't service it |
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| 11:46.13 | Jhonny5 | hi all |
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| 11:47.42 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:50.33 | dimir | Morning! |
| 11:50.52 | Haris | enouf: yes |
| 11:51.08 | dutchfish | on an etch box with dhcp its does renew its lease but it doesnt change the changed default gateway the dcpserver hands out now, how to force it and how to config the etch box to do it automatically in the future? |
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| 11:54.17 | dutchfish | it even doesnt forget the old gateway after a reboot btw |
| 11:55.24 | dutchfish | altering the routetable does work, but this a bit a stone-age procedure |
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| 11:56.11 | enouf | Haris: wish i could help, but i stink at those issues ... keep trying, there's tons of good networkers about - gotta wait till one shows up, etc |
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| 11:56.58 | kuratko | i am trying to install asus with Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet driver(netinstall CD testing), but it looks like driver is not there. anybody knows how is it called ? |
| 11:57.21 | enouf | dutchfish: man ip -flush ? |
| 11:57.29 | enouf | man arp? |
| 11:58.19 | enouf | gah man ip route -flush or something |
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| 11:58.47 | dutchfish | enouf, it does get a new lease, and the info it gets from the dhcp server about the changed gateway is corect, it just doesn't handle it, sniffing the net reveals that it "knows" about the new gateway arp wise .... mmmmm |
| 11:59.03 | enouf | kuratko: got lspci ? if so, give us it's lspci -nn output |
| 12:00.10 | enouf | well, why would the default gateway change anyway? i don't know much |
| 12:00.21 | dutchfish | enouf, delving into the source code of the etch'es dhcp client ... |
| 12:00.23 | kuratko | enouf: unknown device intel ... if you need it exactly i would have to reboot that machine with some live cd, but i am nearly sure it is : http://www.hogchain.net/attansic/attansic.html |
| 12:00.28 | enouf | that implies a diff subnet, no? |
| 12:01.42 | kuratko | they say driver was merged into the mainline kernel with kernel version 2.6.20-git5 |
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| 12:02.22 | dutchfish | kuratko, did you try to modprobe it? |
| 12:02.45 | enouf | kuratko: i see that, but that page tells me nothing else, unless i'm blind, like the module name |
| 12:02.59 | enouf | no .ko on that page, no module listed , nothing |
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| 12:03.21 | enouf | see http://sourceforge.net/projects/atl1 and while you are,. boot a livecd and get us that lspci -nn output |
| 12:03.24 | kuratko | enouf: thats what i am after : the module name |
| 12:03.31 | kuratko | ok |
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| 12:03.41 | dutchfish | atl1 |
| 12:03.44 | enouf | we need the pciid |
| 12:05.03 | enouf | $ sudo modprobe -l | grep atl == zilch |
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| 12:05.17 | dutchfish | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=666235 ha |
| 12:06.08 | enouf | kuratko: you were running etch kernel? |
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| 12:06.34 | enouf | you likely just need a testing/lenny kernel |
| 12:07.27 | enouf | kuratko: tell us knoppix kernel version too - uname -a is fine ;-) |
| 12:07.52 | dutchfish | enouf, lol, found my problem, there is no code to coop with a changed default gateway in the dhcp client .... ~.~ ... ok i can make a workaround |
| 12:08.04 | enouf | kuratko: ya know, you can use "knoppix 1" to boot into console only |
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| 12:08.24 | enouf | dutchfish: really? hrm, should there have been? |
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| 12:08.47 | enouf | dutchfish: that's why i mentioned, why's the gateway changing |
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| 12:08.57 | dutchfish | enouf, not promoting the 'other' os but yes it does handle this :( |
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| 12:09.11 | kuratko | i found there : Ethernet controller [0200]: unknown device [1969:1048] (rev b0) |
| 12:09.14 | kuratko | and : Network controller [0280]: intel corporation unknown device [8086:444e] (rev 61) |
| 12:09.17 | dutchfish | enouf, failover system |
| 12:09.22 | enouf | dutchfish: they'll handle anything as long as they can track you |
| 12:09.33 | dutchfish | enouf, righty :) |
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| 12:09.53 | dutchfish | enouf, but i have i nice L7 firewall that prevents just that ;) |
| 12:10.04 | enouf | kuratko: ok, now, which is whicjh? lol usually an "update-pciids" would solve this |
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| 12:11.06 | enouf | kuratko: uname -a says? |
| 12:11.34 | kuratko | knoppix 2.6.19 #7 |
| 12:11.42 | enouf | ugh |
| 12:11.48 | enouf | kuratko: try this; $ grep '8086\ .*444e' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 12:12.00 | abrotman | there is a #knoppix |
| 12:12.13 | enouf | abrotman: he's using etch booted to knoppix for now |
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| 12:12.26 | abrotman | can i laugh now? |
| 12:12.29 | enouf | http://www.hogchain.net/attansic/attansic.html abrotman |
| 12:12.40 | enouf | abrotman: no, but you may be quiet ;-) |
| 12:12.46 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 12:12.50 | abrotman | whoops .. |
| 12:12.54 | abrotman | oh crap .. did it again |
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| 12:13.19 | abrotman | enouf: uh .. he could use the backports.org kernel .. it's in the kernel as of .21 |
| 12:13.26 | kuratko | enouf: grep says nothing |
| 12:13.33 | abrotman | and/or kmuto |
| 12:13.48 | enouf | i mentioned lenny/testing kernel - might need a .22 to make into debian's |
| 12:13.53 | enouf | kuratko: ok |
| 12:14.00 | enouf | kuratko: you just need a newer kernel |
| 12:14.07 | enouf | likely |
| 12:14.13 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 12:14.27 | akuwamari | is Linux Torvals or Linux Tovals ? |
| 12:14.28 | enouf | kuratko: same for grep '1969\ .*1048' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap ? |
| 12:14.37 | amphi | akuwamari: neither |
| 12:14.39 | akuwamari | Linus Torvals? |
| 12:15.01 | jelly-ho | akuwamari: what? |
| 12:15.03 | enouf | kuratko: "/msg dpkg backports" follow instructions and get as new a kernel as you can ;-) |
| 12:15.15 | amphi | linyos torrevoltos? |
| 12:15.16 | kuratko | enouf: i have debian testing i386 from 26.7.2007, is there some netinstall with 2.6.22 already ? |
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| 12:15.31 | akuwamari | the name of linus |
| 12:15.38 | jelly-ho | akuwamari: wikipedia? |
| 12:15.43 | abrotman | kuratko: is your "testing" up to date? |
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| 12:16.02 | abrotman | akuwamari: torvalds |
| 12:16.04 | enouf | kuratko: cat /etc/debian_version and dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 says? |
| 12:16.14 | kuratko | abrotman: not really, will have to try newer |
| 12:16.17 | abrotman | isn't he booted from knoppix ? |
| 12:16.34 | abrotman | kuratko: if you get the testing netinst now .. it has .22 .. or /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 12:16.35 | enouf | kuratko: once you install, and you think you have testing, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:16.50 | abrotman | enouf: he'll want dist-upgrade if it's been tat long |
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| 12:17.03 | alpaco | how do i take an md5 sum of a file? |
| 12:17.08 | enouf | yeah - whatever, newer kernel is what he needs |
| 12:17.22 | jelly-ho | alpaco: "md5sum /path/to/filename" |
| 12:17.33 | kuratko | its a brand new machine, i try to get new testing, hope will go well, thanks so far !!! |
| 12:17.33 | abrotman | alpaco: md5sum <file> |
| 12:17.37 | alpaco | jelly-ho: thanks |
| 12:17.40 | abrotman | amazing how that works |
| 12:17.41 | logd | hi i've got problems setting a wireless lan : connection went successful but ping and other op. fails (the card on server is nw54usb powered by sis163 chipset, while on client is atheros 5600eg (runs win)) |
| 12:17.42 | alpaco | abrotman: thx |
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| 12:19.14 | jelly-ho | abrotman: some time ago there were stats for, among other things, thankfulness of people in various channels. Do you happen to know whether those are still being generated and where could those be found? |
| 12:19.33 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite jelly-ho |
| 12:19.34 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer jelly-ho: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.0306601929861579! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 12:19.40 | abrotman | jelly-ho: i think they're gone now |
| 12:19.46 | dutchfish | !coffee abrotman |
| 12:20.02 | abrotman | jelly-ho: you could ask kingsley for the analysis scripts .. but IIRC they weren't very good |
| 12:20.15 | abrotman | dutchfish: eww .. that stuff will kill you |
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| 12:21.02 | jelly-ho | dutchfish: already ate four of those "pocket coffee" things in the last hour |
| 12:21.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, at least it gives some extra megaflops to your heart ;) |
| 12:21.31 | jelly-ho | overclocking makes hw die prematurely |
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| 12:21.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: yeah .. and it smells gross |
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| 12:22.31 | jelly-ho | the smell of good coffee can be only described as heavenly, abrotman |
| 12:22.38 | abrotman | ew |
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| 12:23.27 | logd | hi i've got problems setting a wireless lan : connection went successful but ping and other op. fails (the card on server is nw54usb powered by sis163 chipset, while on client is atheros 5600eg (runs win)) |
| 12:23.43 | abrotman | is it dhcp or static ? |
| 12:23.47 | logd | static |
| 12:23.59 | abrotman | did you set all your netowrking criteria correctly? |
| 12:24.07 | logd | i think so |
| 12:24.12 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 12:24.12 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 12:24.22 | abrotman | show us your interfaces file |
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| 12:26.21 | logd | http://rafb.net/p/DkDHOx34.html |
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| 12:27.26 | dutchfish | enouf, just got over it with mon configged to run a script to coop with the changed gateway, i know there will be surely something better but this works |
| 12:29.08 | enouf | dutchfish: ok cool ;-) (jfyi, i think you mean "cope with the changed ..") |
| 12:29.20 | abrotman | logd: you have no gateway |
| 12:29.32 | abrotman | logd: on any interface |
| 12:29.34 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, sorry my fingers are a bit of of sync this morning |
| 12:29.45 | enouf | no worries |
| 12:30.01 | logd | buth eth0 works - gw is defined with rout add defult gw |
| 12:30.22 | logd | also tihs interfaces file cme from server machine |
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| 12:31.48 | abrotman | logd: eth0 and wlan0 use the same router ? |
| 12:32.06 | logd | they will |
| 12:32.13 | logd | but at moment im not interested |
| 12:32.16 | logd | in surfing |
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| 12:32.38 | logd | i just have to discover why can't simply ping client from server and viceversa |
| 12:32.58 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
| 12:33.10 | logd | dest. unreach in both sides |
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| 12:34.45 | dutchfish | is routing in the kernel enabled? |
| 12:35.04 | blaamann | logd: Describe your network. Wireless router and two machines with wireless adapter ? |
| 12:35.22 | logd | yes but atm i don't care about router |
| 12:35.32 | logd | i just trying t o establish an ad-hoc |
| 12:35.38 | alpaco | how do i compare a file against an md5? |
| 12:35.38 | blaamann | Ah |
| 12:35.38 | logd | connection via wireless |
| 12:36.04 | logd | and connection goes but pingfails |
| 12:37.42 | dutchfish | alpaco, --check |
| 12:38.12 | alpaco | dutchfish, thx |
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| 12:39.43 | logd | now it says expired request on client |
| 12:39.55 | alpaco | dutchfish, i'd best rtfm first |
| 12:40.16 | dutchfish | alpaco, yw |
| 12:40.25 | abrotman | would have been a good place to start to begin with |
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| 12:46.10 | dutchfish | i am trying to setup my own privat repository with special kernel builds, so far i have sources.list pointed to my new private repo and apt-get update does function and i can get all the package info with apt-cache show foo. However when i want to install a package it asks me (of coarse) if i want to install with verification because they are not authenticated yet. How to solve that? |
| 12:47.38 | dutchfish | i couldnt google it up |
| 12:48.07 | omnil | should i reboot a box after LVM2 update (lenny)? |
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| 12:50.49 | xand | is it necessary to use dos partition tables on a amd64 machine? |
| 12:51.16 | enouf | dutchfish: no again! rofl http://pastebin.ca/raw/924519 |
| 12:51.24 | enouf | s/no/not |
| 12:51.46 | dutchfish | enouf, hit me [blushes] |
| 12:52.02 | enouf | !beat dutchfish |
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| 12:52.23 | dutchfish | enouf, thanks :) |
| 12:52.24 | enouf | xand: erm .. hrm |
| 12:52.36 | enouf | dutchfish: you BETTER save that now, ffs |
| 12:52.51 | enouf | 3 times, you're outta here! |
| 12:53.04 | dutchfish | enouf, i already saved it some time ago (plz dont laugh) ~.~ |
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| 12:53.12 | enouf | !pal dutchfish |
| 12:53.30 | roxazer | im using OpeNTPD, but it dowsnt sync with a server all the time, the time is going wrong. how to fix? |
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| 12:53.38 | roxazer | doesn't |
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| 12:54.37 | enouf | xand: it's more of a bootloader issue, isn't it? |
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| 12:55.59 | germn | hallo everyone |
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| 12:56.12 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 12:56.30 | Noboru | have anyone heard of Roundcube ? what is the port of it to accept email ? 110 ? |
| 12:56.33 | germn | hallo |
| 12:56.34 | enouf | xand: i mean i heard grub had some issues with GPTs, and there's a workaround, but maybe it's fixed? doubt it, since grub2 has been the focus eh? |
| 12:56.40 | netsrot | which debian version should I run for i686? |
| 12:57.00 | petemc | netsrot: roundcube is webmail software, so port 80 or 443 for ssl |
| 12:57.03 | enouf | netsrot: i386 or amd64 |
| 12:57.05 | petemc | Noboru: ^^ |
| 12:57.08 | biancucci | how can i install adobe flash player? |
| 12:57.15 | enouf | netsrot: depends |
| 12:57.33 | Noboru | petemc, hi pete,how are you |
| 12:57.43 | Noboru | petemc, you mean for webmails they use port 80 ? |
| 12:57.44 | petemc | im not too bad |
| 12:57.55 | petemc | Noboru: preferably 443 |
| 12:58.20 | Noboru | how can i check which port it actually uses ? |
| 12:58.22 | Maulkin | Noboru: 110 |
| 12:58.25 | petemc | roundcube accesses the mail via imap |
| 12:58.31 | Maulkin | Noboru: It uses imap to get the mail |
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| 12:59.05 | Noboru | Maulkin, so i should enable port 110 access in iptables ? |
| 12:59.32 | netsrot | enouf: I would love to use amd64 except I would have to use chroot 32bit to be able to compile all apps I need which would be too much trouble, last time I tried chrooting I broke everything =) |
| 12:59.38 | petemc | Noboru: 110 is for pop3, imap uses 143 or 993 for imap-ssl |
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| 12:59.54 | Maulkin | Noboru: /msg dpkg iptables |
| 13:00.07 | Noboru | Maulkin, i am so lost |
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| 13:00.44 | sdfsd | äöü |
| 13:00.51 | enouf | netsrot: then i386 is for you - /msg dpkg i-g |
| 13:01.08 | netsrot | enouf: ok thanks. |
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| 13:01.32 | dutchfish | thx guys, enough food for thought i am out |
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| 13:02.04 | Maulkin | Noboru: if you don't know how to use iptables, or how to find this information yourself, perhaps a simple firewall manager may be better... |
| 13:02.11 | germn | dutch? |
| 13:02.34 | albech | i just attached a USB disk device and its detected just fine, but how do i mount it? |
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| 13:02.48 | Maulkin | Noboru: http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 13:03.04 | petemc | Noboru: i gave you a bum steer as i thought you were talking about a client accessing roundcube, which is webmail so uses ports 80 or 443. but for roundcube to access a mailstore it uses imap, which uses ports 143 or 993 |
| 13:03.21 | joeey | I ran apt-get upgrade; receiving a message The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:03.29 | joeey | should I do anything? |
| 13:04.06 | petemc | !kept back |
| 13:04.06 | dpkg | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
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| 13:05.52 | o2T7 | Hi, I was needing to "clone"a 60GB ext3 debian's root fs partition to a 15GB ext3 partition (another different disk). I got it (i believe that i got it) with `cp -r -p /mnt/part1/* /mnt/part2` (-p option preserves file permissions and ownership). I could not use dd_rescue, partimage, parted, etc due to different partition sizes. My first question is, do you know of any tool that backups data only? |
| 13:05.57 | Noboru | petemc, and Maulkin , my server uses roundcube,it used to work but now i enabled iptables,i do not know which ports for it to allow incoming outgoing mails |
| 13:05.59 | albech | anyone know how to mount a USB disk? |
| 13:06.26 | redsolo1836 | Hello, this morning I received a disturbing mail from the Tiger pkg. Is my hard drive dying, or is just some false notifications? mail content at http://pastebin.com/d5cc66a5d |
| 13:06.30 | asg | albech: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 13:08.28 | Maulkin | Noboru: your mail doesn't make sense as roundcube doesn't receive mails directly |
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| 13:08.50 | petemc | Noboru: a mta like exim or postfix does the actual sending and receiving of mail, which usually happens on port 25 |
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| 13:09.41 | Noboru | my server uses exim |
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| 13:09.57 | Maulkin | Noboru: and what do you use for an imap server? |
| 13:10.24 | albech | do i need SCSI support to be able to mount my USB disk? |
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| 13:10.29 | Noboru | ? i do not know,this email feature came from a webhosting panel. |
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| 13:10.47 | Maulkin | Oh dear... |
| 13:10.50 | Noboru | it offers roundcube,i can log in no problem |
| 13:10.58 | Maulkin | Right... |
| 13:11.05 | Noboru | if i disable iptables,i can use it to send receive mail no problem |
| 13:11.09 | o2T7 | My second question is... When I was trying to resize the original debian root filesystem partition (ext3), with parted, i got an error that talked about "incompatible feature enabled" on its filesystem. I have read about searching for enabled features with dumpefs and disable them with debugfs. It seems a quite trivial problem, so do you know any other simpler way to solve it? |
| 13:11.48 | Noboru | so i only need to allow port 25 in iptables right ? |
| 13:11.52 | o2T7 | Noboru: So, it must be a port blocking issue |
| 13:12.17 | Noboru | o2T7, i think so. |
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| 13:12.31 | Maulkin | Noboru: no. You need to know what imap server is running, for a start... |
| 13:12.42 | Maulkin | Noboru: are you the only system admin of the box? |
| 13:12.48 | Noboru | yes. |
| 13:13.02 | Maulkin | Noboru: So... why are you using a web control panel? |
| 13:13.17 | o2T7 | Noboru: Be sure of knowing the right ports and processes running on the box `netstat -atpn` |
| 13:13.41 | Noboru | it is one of my client want to use it and he plans to go to europe tomorrow,he wrote me email about how to use webmail in his colocation space. |
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| 13:15.37 | edico | exit |
| 13:16.24 | Noboru | i ran netstat -atpn,nothing,it even is stuck there |
| 13:16.35 | albech | http://pastebin.org/21974 |
| 13:16.38 | Noboru | i was wrong,now i get loads of results. |
| 13:16.44 | albech | what do i need to mount that device? |
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| 13:17.42 | Noboru | Maulkin, were you asking named ? |
| 13:17.47 | Noboru | i have it running. |
| 13:18.00 | Noboru | at port 53 |
| 13:18.31 | Noboru | my server runs exim,named and vm-pop3d. |
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| 13:18.39 | Noboru | those are for emails. |
| 13:18.44 | Noboru | any idea ? |
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| 13:19.45 | o2T7 | albech: You just need the `mount` right syntaxis. You can get your usb device name with `dmesg | grep sd` or by doing `tail -f /var/log/messages` (as root) and then unplugging and plugging your usb. |
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| 13:22.00 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 13:22.15 | albech | o2T7: what i pasted was from the messages file.. it doesnt tell the usb device name from what i can see |
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| 13:22.53 | albech | o2T7: looks to me as if its emulated as a SCSI device.. I dont have SCSI support compiled in the kernel though |
| 13:23.06 | Maulkin | Noboru: what? named isn't to do with emails. What do you have processing imap? |
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| 13:23.33 | Noboru | imap ? |
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| 13:25.14 | redtape | hey, i was wondering, is there anyway of changing the font size for the terminal i get when i get on startup? (not and X terminal, I mean when theres no window manager running) |
| 13:26.43 | redtape | *i get on startup, * not an x terminal. |
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| 13:26.50 | redtape | sorry about the errors :P |
| 13:27.39 | redsolo | quick question, I have a /etc/rc0.d/K20inetd that links to a non existing /etc/init.d/inetd; how can I determine which packagee that put it there? (tried dlocate, apt-file) |
| 13:27.57 | Noboru | Maulkin, please here http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=71 |
| 13:29.26 | Noboru | Maulkin, imap is on 143 |
| 13:30.07 | Noboru | so smtp to send so i should enable outgoing 25 and allow incoming at 143 and 110 ? |
| 13:30.52 | o2T7 | albech: I have this one in my dmesg "scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices" |
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| 13:32.25 | o2T7 | Noboru: That's right. I think you probably don't need to add an OUTPUT rule for port 25, depending on your existing configuration. Many people permits all outgoing traffic |
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| 13:32.52 | andreinogiacomi | !list |
| 13:32.52 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to andreinogiacomi |
| 13:33.00 | fiendishfish | !list |
| 13:33.10 | andreinogiacomi | film? |
| 13:33.13 | jelly-home | o2T7: many people, except shared web hosting providers :-) |
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| 13:33.36 | fiendishfish | How do I get a debian GROUP cloak? |
| 13:33.51 | jelly-home | fiendishfish: are you a DD? |
| 13:33.55 | fiendishfish | dd? |
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| 13:34.01 | jelly-home | debian developer |
| 13:34.04 | fiendishfish | No :< |
| 13:34.32 | abrotman | andrboot_: wrong channel |
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| 13:34.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: bad completion |
| 13:34.46 | Noboru | o2T7, currently mine is output accept |
| 13:34.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 13:34.55 | ^shark_ | the 7912g ip phone will not boot, any ideas why this is happening >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/2013? |
| 13:35.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: and he left :( |
| 13:35.13 | fiendishfish | <dpkg> one warez list being sent to fiendishfish |
| 13:35.15 | fiendishfish | Wth is that about |
| 13:35.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: xchat 2.8.4 finally does what it's supposed to wrt completion :-) |
| 13:35.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: which is? |
| 13:35.47 | jelly-home | last person that talked gets completed |
| 13:35.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: i believe that's been an option for awile |
| 13:35.58 | abrotman | awhile |
| 13:36.06 | Noboru | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 110 -j ACCEPT ,ok ? |
| 13:36.12 | jelly-home | I believe it didn't work as advertised |
| 13:36.17 | waspius | hi..does anyone know how to setup a webcam on amsn |
| 13:36.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's possible |
| 13:36.26 | fiendishfish | waspius, Mine worked by default ;/ |
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| 13:37.09 | o2T7 | Noboru: Wouldn't it be "-m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED" ? |
| 13:37.28 | jelly-home | o2T7: only if he doesn't have a catchall for ESTABLISHED |
| 13:37.48 | jelly-home | which is, I guess, a common idiom |
| 13:38.09 | Noboru | hmm |
| 13:38.24 | Omelete | What's XML Parser? |
| 13:38.29 | o2T7 | jelly-home: fine, is it recommended or just easier to mantain? |
| 13:38.38 | Noboru | jelly-home, would you help me |
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| 13:38.50 | o2T7 | jelly-home: oh, you already answered it ;) |
| 13:38.56 | Noboru | i mean ,what i just wrote is fine ? |
| 13:39.26 | icedtea | how do you ping broadcast address? I tried ping -b 10.0.0.255 |
| 13:39.52 | o2T7 | !tell Omelete about xml |
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| 13:40.09 | icedtea | the only machine that responds is the current one and it says destination host unreachable |
| 13:40.10 | foobar8 | anybody tried reniced? does it work well? |
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| 13:41.08 | o2T7 | icedtea: do you know your address mask? |
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| 13:41.31 | nerdsquad3210 | UBUNTU owns DEBIAN |
| 13:41.37 | kloeri | nerdsquad3210: stop trolling |
| 13:41.47 | jelly-home | kloeri: stop answering to trolls |
| 13:42.08 | mike1o | nerdsquad3210, not correct |
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| 13:42.16 | kloeri | jelly-home: err, no |
| 13:42.21 | icedtea | o2T7: of the interface or the addresses I want to get a response from? |
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| 13:42.49 | nerdsquad3210 | !aeen cafuego |
| 13:42.51 | o2T7 | icedtea: both |
| 13:42.56 | nerdsquad3210 | !seen cafuego |
| 13:42.56 | dpkg | cafuego is currently on #debian, last said: 'why not?'. |
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| 13:43.07 | biancucci | how can i install adobe flash player? |
| 13:43.17 | nerdsquad3210 | cafuego: lives on this channel |
| 13:43.34 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:43.37 | jelly-home | kloeri: the only sensible way to deal with a troll is to ignore it, or kick it |
| 13:43.44 | Ace2016 | how do i hide the window border on a specific app??? |
| 13:44.03 | nerdsquad3210 | i have a big club ! |
| 13:44.11 | kloeri | jelly-home: and I'm going to warn before kicking |
| 13:44.14 | Ace2016 | sry wrong channel |
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| 13:45.10 | Noboru | it doesnt work |
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| 13:45.20 | kloeri | nerdsquad3210: last warning |
| 13:45.27 | nerdsquad3210 | Abort Retry Ignore |
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| 13:45.54 | Noboru | i enabled port 110 and 143 |
| 13:46.04 | Noboru | i cant get receive email :( |
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| 13:46.21 | icedtea | o2T7: I the mask for the interface is 255.0.0.0 (its a 10.0.0.254 address) |
| 13:47.15 | nerdsquad3210 | whats the best linux ? |
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| 13:47.31 | icedtea | nerdsquad3210: your mom is |
| 13:47.35 | mike1o | debian |
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| 13:47.54 | nerdsquad3210 | debian GNU |
| 13:48.05 | jelly-home | kloeri: ... have fun letting people answering bogus questions :-| |
| 13:48.34 | wols_ | Noboru: neither 110 nor 143 have ANYTHING to do with receiving mail at all |
| 13:48.48 | o2T7 | Noboru: Can you see the service from the outside? |
| 13:48.50 | nerdsquad3210 | some one should setup BOGUZZILA |
| 13:49.07 | wols_ | o2T7: what has that to do with recieving mail? |
| 13:49.22 | o2T7 | Noboru: Couldn't it be a domain issue? |
| 13:49.34 | o2T7 | sorry , wols_* |
| 13:49.37 | Noboru | hmm |
| 13:49.40 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: do you have a question about debian ? |
| 13:49.47 | nerdsquad3210 | yes |
| 13:49.48 | wols_ | a SUPPORT question about debian |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | i'd settle for any |
| 13:49.59 | nerdsquad3210 | how long can it run before crashing ? |
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| 13:50.32 | wols_ | Noboru: what MTA do you run? |
| 13:50.46 | Eulex | interesting that his last question was a legitimate question... |
| 13:50.47 | Noboru | wols_, the panel says my email pop3 and smtp server is mail.nagoya.xx.jp, should i add it to domain as mx record ? |
| 13:50.48 | eifzon | hm, what is wrong with my jailed user? I am trying to start irssi. I have copied all the irssi files that are needed to the jail, I get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/924557 |
| 13:50.58 | wols_ | Noboru: yes |
| 13:51.06 | wols_ | Noboru: but answer my question |
| 13:51.14 | Eulex | eifzon, you mean chroot? |
| 13:51.17 | kloeri | Eulex: it was just more trolling |
| 13:51.21 | Noboru | wols_, it uses exim,wemail is roundcube. |
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| 13:51.37 | Noboru | wols_, without enabling iptables, all fine. |
| 13:51.41 | jelly-home | Noboru: btw, how exactly does roundcube fail to work when you enable iptables? Do you have an error message screenshot? Anything in apache (well, php) logs? |
| 13:51.47 | eifzon | Eulex: yes |
| 13:51.50 | wols_ | Noboru: telnet: could not resolve mail.nagoya.xx.jp/25: Name or service not known |
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| 13:52.05 | Eulex | eifzon, get an /etc/passwd and /etc/group (and perhaps /etc/shadow too) into the chroot |
| 13:52.13 | eifzon | how to? |
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| 13:52.22 | eifzon | just copy em to? |
| 13:52.27 | wols_ | Noboru: the mailserver you just told me about doesn't exist. |
| 13:52.48 | wols_ | Noboru: iptables -L |
| 13:52.55 | Noboru | jelly, i tested it in roundcube,cant send nor receive. when trying to send,it always says sending.... never come to an end. |
| 13:53.21 | Eulex | eifzon, linking them would be the best, but I don't think you're able to link to a file outside of the chroot |
| 13:53.28 | Eulex | eifzon, so yeah, copy works |
| 13:53.36 | Noboru | wols_, for security consideration, the contents of 'xx' is faked ,sorry. |
| 13:53.54 | wols_ | Noboru: that is simply BULLSHIT. you run a public mailserver |
| 13:54.11 | wols_ | if you don#t trust its security you have no business running it in the first place |
| 13:54.40 | wols_ | will yyou tell people who will mail you "my email address is noboru@nagoya.xx.co.jp"? please! |
| 13:54.54 | abrotman | eifzon: have you thought about putting irssi && logout at the end of their profile? it's not bulletproof by any means .. but it's way easier than what you're trying to do |
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| 13:55.28 | wols_ | Eulex: hardlink? |
| 13:55.41 | Eulex | wols_, oh, I guess that would work yeah |
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| 13:55.59 | Eulex | I only every tested softlinks |
| 13:56.09 | biancucci | how can i install adobe flash player? |
| 13:56.14 | jelly-home | Noboru: you need to figure out what roundcube uses for sending (it could be a direct tcp connection to the configured mail server, or it could be using /usr/sbin/sendmail) first. Could be your iptables setup is stopping some localhost tcp connections |
| 13:56.41 | abrotman | !tell biancucci about flash |
| 13:56.58 | Noboru | jelly-home, it uses sendmail. |
| 13:57.02 | abrotman | Noboru: what's the error that roundcube throws ? |
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| 13:57.30 | biancucci | abrotman what the app-get command to get it would be? |
| 13:57.38 | abrotman | biancucci: see what the bot told you |
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| 13:57.59 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:58.05 | eifzon | Eulex: what shall be listed in the passwd file? |
| 13:58.06 | subhnox | hey |
| 13:58.09 | eifzon | just the chroot? |
| 13:58.21 | Eulex | eifzon, the users that need to be there. |
| 13:58.59 | eifzon | now I only got: user2:x:1099:1099:,,,:/:/bin/bash |
| 13:59.01 | eifzon | its enough+0 |
| 13:59.28 | DexterF | installed 4r3 in vmware6, had to leave in a hurry and suspended the machine durign install. when I resumed, it said "remode CDs before you continue", now it says "running final-message" for... 10 minutes or so. doesn't seem to be working. what's wrong here? can I just reset the machine? |
| 14:00.03 | biancucci | abrotman i read it but i dont see anything on the website, and i dont know how to install manually |
| 14:00.04 | Eulex | DexterF, checked the ttys to see what it's doing? |
| 14:00.06 | jelly-home | Noboru: great. So try sending using /usr/sbin/sendmail (when the iptables are enabled) manually, if that doesn't work, you've probably forgotten to enable traffic for loopback iface/ip. |
| 14:00.24 | abrotman | biancucci: you don't have to .. read the URL in what dpkg told you |
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| 14:01.06 | DexterF | Eulex: it's runnign /usr/lib/finish-install.d/20final-message |
| 14:01.17 | DexterF | at least thats the last tty.. 8 or 10 says |
| 14:01.23 | subhnox | DexterF, I believe if you reset the machine it will restart the initial config process and allow you to resume. |
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| 14:01.30 | eifzon | Eulex: what do you think |
| 14:01.47 | DexterF | tty4 actually |
| 14:01.52 | Eulex | eifzon, will probably work. |
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| 14:02.04 | biancucci | abrotman im reading it but i dont see anything :s |
| 14:02.04 | eifzon | ok |
| 14:02.08 | eifzon | same in teh /etc/group file to |
| 14:02.09 | eifzon | ? |
| 14:02.10 | DexterF | subhnox: best shot I guess. I'll run with that. |
| 14:02.12 | eifzon | just the user? |
| 14:02.39 | abrotman | biancucci: you read http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer ? |
| 14:03.09 | biancucci | no, im reading gnash |
| 14:03.12 | eifzon | Eulex: I still get that error |
| 14:03.14 | biancucci | lol |
| 14:03.15 | eifzon | anything more to fix? |
| 14:03.42 | Eulex | eifzon, as I said, perhaps it needs /etc/shadow too. |
| 14:03.48 | eifzon | I got /etc/shadow to |
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| 14:04.31 | Eulex | eifzon, not sure then. perhaps try /etc/shadow- and /etc/group- too. but I don't really know what those two files do. |
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| 14:05.15 | eifzon | gah still dont work |
| 14:05.20 | eifzon | can I try the things with linkin? |
| 14:05.27 | wols_ | eifzon: only hardlinks |
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| 14:05.47 | biancucci | abrotman that didnt worked |
| 14:05.55 | abrotman | what didn't worked? |
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| 14:06.26 | Eulex | right, it isn't |
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| 14:06.40 | biancucci | im typing apt-get install flashplu... |
| 14:06.41 | eifzon | I wanna fix this ;( |
| 14:06.52 | biancucci | and it says theres no file, or its obsolete something like that |
| 14:07.07 | Eulex | !tell biancucci about non-free |
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| 14:07.46 | eifzon | Eulex: can you help me out |
| 14:08.15 | Eulex | eifzon, how to create hardlinks? man ln |
| 14:08.20 | eifzon | no |
| 14:08.20 | foobar8 | should i report a bug against reniced? (everything suggests it is a daemon - it has a init script, its name, ...) |
| 14:08.22 | eifzon | how to fix this |
| 14:10.11 | foobar8 | eizfon: do you talk to me? |
| 14:10.18 | eifzon | no |
| 14:10.21 | foobar8 | eifzon: ok |
| 14:11.55 | BlutAusNord | anybody know if the Megahal's proyect is continue now with other name or is dead just... |
| 14:12.22 | wols_ | BlutAusNord: is this debian related? |
| 14:13.05 | BlutAusNord | is a cultural answer ;) |
| 14:13.14 | BlutAusNord | *question |
| 14:14.32 | wols_ | ew deal in debain support. not culture |
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| 14:15.19 | abrotman | we even :) |
| 14:15.21 | Eulex | eifzon, I've given what support I was able to. |
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| 14:17.40 | BlutAusNord | wols_, yes sir. |
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| 14:18.25 | Noboru | i dont get it,i should add the pop3 and smtp server as A record or as MX record ? |
| 14:18.31 | eifzon | abrotman: what did you talk about before |
| 14:18.38 | abrotman | eifzon: have you thought about putting irssi && logout at the end of their profile? it's not bulletproof by any means .. but it's way easier than what you're trying to do |
| 14:18.46 | abrotman | or /lastlog |
| 14:19.03 | eifzon | will it work? |
| 14:19.18 | wols_ | Noboru: I already told you |
| 14:19.31 | eifzon | user2::x:1099:1099:,,,:/:/bin/bash irssi && logout |
| 14:19.33 | eifzon | like that? |
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| 14:19.50 | abrotman | that's not what i meant |
| 14:20.55 | o2T7 | Noboru: MX |
| 14:21.21 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 14:25.15 | albech | o2T7: sorry I had to leave for a little.. I dont see that in my dmesg file |
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| 14:25.20 | polishkoop | I just installed cups, but I'm having trouble accesing the web interface from an outside computer. even on the computer with cups installed, i have to do http://localhost (it doesnt work when i put in the local ip) can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:26.02 | albech | o2T7: do you have SCSI compiled in your kernel? |
| 14:27.04 | omnil | polishkoop: cups configured to listen to 127.0.0.1 only? |
| 14:27.17 | polishkoop | omnil: it really shouldn't be. how would i fix that? |
| 14:27.38 | o2T7 | albech: I have it as a module |
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| 14:28.16 | omnil | polishkoop: edit cups config in /etc |
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| 14:28.27 | polishkoop | omnil: i have: but hold on |
| 14:28.27 | albech | o2T7: ok, the problem I have is that the system im connecting to is VERY old and I dont dare to recompile the kernel etc |
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| 14:29.33 | polishkoop | omnil: well now i get 403 Forbidden |
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| 14:30.23 | o2T7 | albech: Perhaps you could try building the module |
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| 14:30.52 | o2T7 | o2T7: Although I'm not really sure if it is that what you need |
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| 14:31.00 | o2T7 | albech: |
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| 14:31.45 | omnil | polishkoop: to clarify: you should configure cups to listen to your LAN ip range, not just localhost(127.0.01) |
| 14:31.58 | albech | o2T7: thats what im trying now |
| 14:32.05 | jelly-home | omnil: he's dead, Jim |
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| 14:34.28 | hdkiller | hello. my server reboots randomly i have an imptool sel list output: http://rafb.net/p/4KeuJP58.html |
| 14:34.38 | hdkiller | can anybody take some time and help me? |
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| 14:39.15 | hdkiller | more info here: http://rafb.net/p/JXc43n55.html |
| 14:39.36 | albech | o2T7: http://www.pastebin.org/21980 |
| 14:39.48 | albech | o2T7: this is what i get when i reconnect the device |
| 14:40.08 | albech | o2T7: its from 'tail -f /var/syslog' |
| 14:43.54 | o2T7 | albech: Is the module already loaded when you get that output? |
| 14:44.00 | Nyle | hdkiller: check your power supply unit with a simple $5 psu tester to see if the voltges are fluctuating massively or if all the voltages are correct and working |
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| 14:45.02 | hdkiller | Nyle: we have replaced the power supply unit already |
| 14:45.10 | hdkiller | Nyle: and it's doing the same... |
| 14:45.27 | Nyle | you have a bad or corrupt rom it seems then |
| 14:45.35 | albech | o2T7: looks so - http://www.pastebin.org/21981 |
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| 14:45.48 | Nyle | bad as in bad mobo/bios, or corrupt as in bad bios voltage settings? |
| 14:45.49 | hdkiller | corrupt rom? so you think it's a mainboard problem? |
| 14:46.02 | Nyle | hdkiller: you have some sort of power management stuff, turn that off in bios |
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| 14:46.14 | DustyBin | this isnt a fedora question but i have no one else to ask as i dont know what my id password is for freenode |
| 14:46.20 | Nyle | in fact, go to bios defaults and try again, if they turn on power management, then turn it off |
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| 14:46.27 | hdkiller | oh i see should i try to pass apci=off to kernel? |
| 14:46.28 | Nyle | make sure all your system voltages are correct |
| 14:46.32 | hdkiller | noapci i think |
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| 14:46.46 | Nyle | hdkiller: try that as well, but check the bios settings too first |
| 14:46.55 | Noboru | wols_, may i ask a very strange question please ? |
| 14:46.56 | DustyBin | i messed around with my fstab now my machine doesnt boot, ive booted into knoppix to try and fix my fstab to how it was but i dont have permission to write to the file even though im root |
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| 14:47.14 | DustyBin | chmod: changing permissions of `fstab': Read-only file system |
| 14:47.16 | Noboru | i have been thiking of it,haven't got a clue . |
| 14:47.25 | hdkiller | Nyle: thanks i will check it also trying to pass noapci |
| 14:47.41 | Noboru | wols_, we all know, we run 'top' in command line,it will show some status of httpd and stuff right ? |
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| 14:48.05 | Nyle | hdkiller: oh and also, check your cpu temperatures |
| 14:48.06 | wols_ | don't ask to ask and get on with your real question |
| 14:48.20 | Nyle | hdkiller: you might be over heating and it might be trying to undervolt it by itself |
| 14:48.21 | Noboru | wols_, however, if the data-centre enable an option,or some options on their hardware firewall, the whole apache processes are gone immediately |
| 14:48.27 | Nyle | hdkiller: that can also cause random reboots |
| 14:48.45 | Nyle | make sure the cpu is on good and you have a thin layer of thermal compound |
| 14:48.48 | Noboru | wols_, i do not think i can ask the data-centre about how come it is like that. |
| 14:48.52 | Nyle | make sure the fans are functional |
| 14:48.59 | o2T7 | albech: I can't see the usbhid module in your lsmod output, but i have it in mine. Perhaps it has to do with he problem |
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| 14:49.31 | wols_ | Noboru: check the apache logs, syslog and kern.log |
| 14:49.34 | hdkiller | thanks Nyle |
| 14:49.49 | wols_ | o2T7: usbhid is for usb keyboards and such. not mass storage |
| 14:49.54 | Nyle | hdkiller: here |
| 14:49.55 | Noboru | wols_, i mean, maybe it is their secret,but the truth is --> if they do that, all apache processes on my server are gone,whatever i run /etc/init.d/httpd restart ,it doesnt work ,nor is it giving error messages. |
| 14:50.03 | Nyle | http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=hdwr&db=bks&fname=/SGI_EndUser/1100MG/ch03.html |
| 14:50.05 | o2T7 | wols_: Thanks :) |
| 14:50.07 | Nyle | hdkiller: http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=hdwr&db=bks&fname=/SGI_EndUser/1100MG/ch03.html |
| 14:50.12 | wols_ | Noboru: why do you run /etc/init.d/httpd restart? |
| 14:50.20 | Nyle | I just googled that just now |
| 14:50.22 | wols_ | it'S /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 14:50.25 | Nyle | look towards in the middle of page |
| 14:50.29 | Noboru | wols_, which i dont understand is,how come an external hardware firewall could KILL all of my apache processes. |
| 14:50.36 | Nyle | IPMI Event Log section |
| 14:50.41 | albech | o2T7: that might be why.. let me check that |
| 14:50.42 | wols_ | Noboru: it doesn't. and if it doesn't start up you WILL get logs |
| 14:50.47 | Nyle | your error messages are related to cpu temperature |
| 14:50.55 | Nyle | BAM he shoots he scores! |
| 14:51.05 | hdkiller | yeah i see hm |
| 14:51.18 | Noboru | wols_, cuz at that time i cannot get on my server on web, i check top, no apache process,i was so shocked ,then i did a /etc/init.d/httpd restart, still nothing |
| 14:51.41 | vjsp | DustyBin: you need to mount the partition with read and write permission |
| 14:51.45 | o2T7 | albech: Did you check "/msg dpkg usb-storage" ? |
| 14:51.51 | Nyle | !seen jetscreamer |
| 14:51.51 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 29m 15s ago, saying: 'el_isma: if you really want to fix it, do whatever dondelelcaro says'. |
| 14:51.54 | Noboru | wols_, but once they disabled the stuff in their datacentre, the apach processes came back automatically in 'top'. very strange. |
| 14:51.54 | wols_ | Noboru: why /etc/init.d/httpd ? |
| 14:52.18 | Noboru | wols_, that is how i do in my server to restart apache. |
| 14:52.45 | wols_ | Noboru: that is not debian |
| 14:52.53 | wols_ | Noboru: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 14:52.58 | DustyBin | vjsp: you would of thought knoppix would of done that automatically considering its mainly used for correcting |
| 14:53.00 | Noboru | wols_, i run a panel, the apache came from it. |
| 14:53.01 | o2T7 | albech: You need sd_mod too |
| 14:53.12 | wols_ | Noboru: then don't ask us about support for it |
| 14:53.20 | Noboru | wols_, a webhosting panel,well-tested and paid one, named directadmin. |
| 14:53.28 | Nyle | I got one too Noboru |
| 14:53.30 | wols_ | I doN#t give a fuck. it's not debian. end of it |
| 14:53.34 | Nyle | but i don't ask about it here |
| 14:53.39 | wols_ | what a nono debian apache does is not our business |
| 14:53.44 | wols_ | *non |
| 14:53.47 | vjsp | DustyBin: what ? |
| 14:53.48 | Noboru | i see. |
| 14:53.52 | Nyle | in fact, one of the debian guys gave me a free hosting account and subdomian n shit |
| 14:54.08 | Nyle | I still don't ask here, I ask him in prv or make a trouble ticket |
| 14:54.18 | albech | o2T7: sd_mod? for what? |
| 14:54.49 | Noboru | wols_, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:55.48 | vjsp | DustyBin: did you mean "I thought knoppix would mount partitions with read and write permissions automatically" ? |
| 14:56.14 | DustyBin | aye |
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| 14:57.22 | vjsp | ok |
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| 14:58.58 | jetscreamer | ko |
| 14:59.10 | Nyle | jetscreamer: that site builder is friggin awesome |
| 14:59.17 | DustyBin | mount shows this |
| 14:59.20 | DustyBin | /dev/hda3 on /media/hda3 type ext3 (rw) |
| 14:59.22 | Nyle | jetscreamer: but I think I'm gonna recode the whole thing mysel |
| 14:59.25 | DustyBin | but still cannot write to it |
| 14:59.31 | jetscreamer | Nyle: it has extremely fugly code |
| 14:59.36 | jetscreamer | check the html |
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| 14:59.41 | Nyle | jetscreamer: thats why |
| 14:59.42 | Hypergraphe | hey there |
| 14:59.44 | Nyle | I can't stand dirty code |
| 14:59.44 | jetscreamer | run a cleanup thingy on it |
| 14:59.47 | Hypergraphe | I have a problem with gcc |
| 14:59.53 | Hypergraphe | there is no man entries on lenny |
| 14:59.57 | Nyle | nah, I wanna redo it with css+html |
| 14:59.58 | jetscreamer | i like readability |
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| 15:00.09 | jetscreamer | you don't have to use that thing of course |
| 15:00.14 | jetscreamer | i turn it off myself |
| 15:00.16 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 15:00.20 | Nyle | i was just trying it out |
| 15:00.22 | o2T7 | albech: dpkg says that with "'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something." |
| 15:00.24 | Nyle | actually msg |
| 15:00.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 15:02.04 | vjsp | DustyBin: whats the error msg ? same as before ? |
| 15:02.36 | albech | o2T7: let me check |
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| 15:02.47 | DustyBin | vjsp: sorted |
| 15:03.45 | albech | o2T7: what is the sd_mod ?? |
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| 15:03.51 | vjsp | DustyBin: ..? |
| 15:03.51 | DustyBin | vjsp: mount -text3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 <-- that worked |
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| 15:04.07 | DustyBin | mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 didnt work |
| 15:04.22 | DustyBin | i blame the bastards at knoppix |
| 15:04.27 | muddd | heh |
| 15:04.54 | wols_ | I blame the bastards who hold OT conversations in #debian |
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| 15:05.17 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 15:05.23 | muddd | anyone here installed glibc 2.4 on their debians systems? was it a pita? |
| 15:05.27 | albech | o2T7: now i manually loaded sd_mod |
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| 15:06.09 | vjsp | DustyBin: add -o rw to the mount command.. i think thats the syntax, check the man.. |
| 15:06.12 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 15:06.18 | Haris | Hello people |
| 15:06.36 | Haris | How would a software raid perform if I had raid0 on one set and raid1 on the other? |
| 15:06.53 | albech | o2T7: looks like its finding the device at least: http://www.pastebin.org/21982 |
| 15:07.15 | o2T7 | albech: Fine; now it's easy to mount it |
| 15:07.28 | dury | can't find rar package to install it in Synaptic Package Manager |
| 15:07.56 | o2T7 | albech: That error? Did you try to unplug it? |
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| 15:08.36 | wols_ | vjsp, DustyBin: go to #knoppix please. now |
| 15:08.37 | o2T7 | albech: Is it formatted? |
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| 15:08.56 | vjsp | wols_: its not knoppix problem, its mount problem |
| 15:09.10 | vjsp | not 'problem' actually |
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| 15:09.23 | albech | o2T7: yes it was formatted on another system with ext3, but i guess i should just make it ext2 cause im not sure this old system support ext3 |
| 15:09.28 | dury | how do I install rar package? |
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| 15:09.44 | vjsp | dury: sudo apt-get install rar |
| 15:10.01 | vjsp | dury: on terminal |
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| 15:10.24 | cusco | vjsp: sudo is probably not installed |
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| 15:10.33 | dury | vjsp: I'm not in Ubuntu this Debian |
| 15:10.35 | Techno`away | irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org irc.FreshBG.org |
| 15:10.38 | Haris | hmm |
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| 15:11.06 | icedtea` | wth |
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| 15:11.08 | vjsp | dury: use root account then |
| 15:11.18 | cusco | dury: you must have non-free repo |
| 15:11.18 | vjsp | cusco: yeah, false assumption |
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| 15:13.00 | o2T7 | Albech: I guess you get no output with `grep sd /proc/partitions` |
| 15:14.20 | dury | vjsp: package rar it's not available |
| 15:14.29 | enouf | !find unrar etch |
| 15:14.45 | albech | o2T7: i dont know.. doing a mkfs on the disk |
| 15:14.49 | o2T7 | albech: I think that it is better to include ext3 support rather than converting it to ext2 |
| 15:15.09 | enouf | Haris1: 0+1 ? |
| 15:15.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'unrar' (4): (/usr/bin/unrar) in non-free/utils/unrar ;; (/usr/bin/unrar-free) in utils/unrar-free ;; (/usr/share/doc/bash/completion-contrib/unrar) in shells/bash ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/unrar.fish, /usr/share/fish/functions/__fish_complete_unrar.fish) in shells/fish. |
| 15:15.18 | albech | o2T7: its just temp for backing up the data while i update the system |
| 15:15.25 | vjsp | dury: like cusco said, you need a non-free repo... |
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| 15:15.36 | albech | o2T7: i dont care if its ext2 or ext3 while i update the system ;) |
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| 15:15.42 | cusco | !tell dury about non-free |
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| 15:16.12 | muddd | um, am i able to use apt-get to upgrade my etch to lenny? |
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| 15:16.25 | o2T7 | fine, albech |
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| 15:16.28 | o2T7 | :P |
| 15:16.32 | cusco | muddd: its on the topic |
| 15:16.37 | muddd | oh duh heh |
| 15:16.42 | muddd | sorry |
| 15:16.51 | cusco | ask dpkg for etch->lenny |
| 15:16.56 | Knight_Lord | Hi. Does anyone have a clue why Xvnc seems to crash whenever i start a program like a web browser or skype, making it unusable? |
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| 15:18.31 | phz | I have the proprietary Nvidia-drivers installed the Debian way. For some time when I dist-upgrade it says that nvidia-glx has unmet dependencies with "nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.09 which is a virtual package". What does it mean and how do I correct it? |
| 15:19.06 | enouf | Haris1: install mdadm pkg, and read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and the man pages |
| 15:19.14 | muddd | cd |
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| 15:20.01 | enouf | phz: does it otherwise hinder you in any way? |
| 15:20.31 | enouf | phz: do you have various releases listed in sources.list? |
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| 15:21.30 | phz | It annoys my need for control :-) In my sources.list I have "deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" and the same for deb-src |
| 15:21.55 | phz | So, no, it is not a real problem, it's just an annoyance |
| 15:21.57 | Nyle | ebianday! |
| 15:21.59 | enouf | phz: here's a hint, when using dpkg -l , preface with COLUMNS=175, so "COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l nvidia* | grep ^.i" to see installed pkgs, withOUT their names truncated |
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| 15:22.25 | Nyle | thats 'debian' in pig latin btw |
| 15:22.30 | enouf | phz: er, unstable is, er unstable :-P |
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| 15:23.02 | enouf | leNyay oday ouyay eanmay ikelay is?thay |
| 15:23.06 | enouf | Nyle: ^^^^ |
| 15:23.20 | phz | enouf: Yeah, I know. I'm satisfied if the answer is "It's a bug, it will disappear soon". Which very well might be the case |
| 15:23.34 | enouf | ebianDay ayday isway ethay ayday otay uarez!say |
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| 15:23.53 | Nyle | what the fuck? |
| 15:24.15 | enouf | phz: you can track it a bit, if you learn apt howto and debian reference well |
| 15:24.15 | wols_ | enouf: dpm |
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| 15:24.28 | wols_ | enouf: dom't raid Nyle's stash. it's his alone |
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| 15:24.36 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:24.37 | dbmoodb | ah guys |
| 15:24.38 | dbmoodb | apt-get upgrade |
| 15:24.38 | dbmoodb | Reading package lists... Done |
| 15:24.38 | dbmoodb | Segmentation faulty tree... 0% |
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| 15:24.50 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:24.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.55 | enouf | heh |
| 15:25.01 | subhnox | nice |
| 15:25.02 | enouf | his nick wouldn't tab complete |
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| 15:25.06 | Nyle | use the 'pastor' bot |
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| 15:25.19 | Nyle | lol, thats what I read when it flashed by |
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| 15:25.31 | amphi | Nyle: haha |
| 15:25.42 | muddd | pastor bot eh? religious channel i see |
| 15:25.46 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:25.56 | Nyle | im still crackin up |
| 15:26.00 | Nyle | oh shit |
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| 15:26.10 | Haris | How would a software raid perform in case I have raid0 on one set of partitions and raid1 on the other? |
| 15:26.10 | enouf | yep, piggy stole you stash |
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| 15:26.29 | enouf | Haris: that's silly |
| 15:26.31 | Haris | would he performance take a steep hit? |
| 15:26.38 | enouf | who knows |
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| 15:26.43 | Haris | the+ |
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| 15:26.58 | enouf | it all depends what else is going on, how it's layed out, controllers, disks, etc |
| 15:27.01 | Haris | because my SCSI drives are only giving me 1700 KB/s transfer over lan |
| 15:27.18 | enouf | well, my p150 does also |
| 15:27.21 | jelly-home | Haris: depends on the usage pattern, just like any other combination :-| |
| 15:27.22 | phz | enouf: I don't have a package called "nvidia-kernel-169.09" installed, as it says, but I have "nvidia-kernel-source" installed at version 169.09-1. My guess is that the package maintainer has incorrect names for package dependencies listed in nvidia-glx. I just wanted to see if I had missed something obviuos. |
| 15:27.22 | Haris | 2 SCSI disks on a PIII on my nat/masq box |
| 15:27.24 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:27.45 | enouf | Haris: remove the PCI cards :-P |
| 15:27.50 | Haris | jelly-home: Its a squid, nat/masq, cvs box |
| 15:27.53 | MrKnights | Hey, had a power cut last night and i booted up my server this afternoon and it has a grub reed error, whats the fastist way to fix this? |
| 15:27.53 | Haris | enouf: which ones? |
| 15:27.59 | enouf | the scsi ones |
| 15:28.23 | enouf | phz possibly, checked BTS ? |
| 15:28.47 | enouf | phz: are you sure that's it's full name? |
| 15:29.29 | jelly-home | Haris: no. if you're discussing raid, the "usage pattern" would be _disk_ usage pattern... ie. which blocks are read or written etc |
| 15:29.29 | enouf | phz: "nvidia-kernel-169.09" sounds truncated to me |
| 15:29.29 | Haris | jelly-home: hmm, mostly squid cache |
| 15:29.29 | enouf | but what do i know |
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| 15:29.56 | enouf | p3 should be getting much better |
| 15:30.12 | enouf | something's awry |
| 15:30.21 | enouf | how the heck do you spell that, lol |
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| 15:30.28 | dbmoodb | sorry about that |
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| 15:30.36 | Haris | jelly-home: 50 clients at max behind it |
| 15:30.45 | dbmoodb | Segmentation faulty tree... 0% when i apt-get upgrade |
| 15:30.48 | Haris | I have 2x 1 Mbps connections in this box |
| 15:30.51 | amphi | enouf: that's correct |
| 15:30.52 | dury | hey guys...? |
| 15:30.52 | enouf | you should be ata66 atleast - udma4 |
| 15:30.59 | dury | mmm... |
| 15:31.00 | dbmoodb | anyone got a fix |
| 15:31.04 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:31.09 | enouf | amphi: O_o, i scare myselk sometimes |
| 15:31.11 | Haris | and I have 2 partitions in cache_dir on these 2 disks |
| 15:31.14 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:31.17 | amphi | ;) |
| 15:31.19 | Haris | 2x cache_dirs |
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| 15:31.35 | dbmoodb | is my apt fecked for good now ? |
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| 15:31.58 | Haris | dbmoodb: try apt-get update; aptitude update |
| 15:32.05 | enouf | heh, what's a pastebin that you argue with? pastorbator |
| 15:32.07 | jelly-home | Haris: I won't be able to tell you anything smart. Try that setup, see if there are bottlenecks and identify them |
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| 15:32.27 | Haris | one cache_dir is on raid0 partition, the other is on the raid1 partition |
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| 15:32.35 | Haris | Ok |
| 15:32.40 | dbmoodb | nar same thing due... |
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| 15:32.55 | Haris | maybe this will give me an idea ? -> dumpe2fs -h /dev/md0 |
| 15:33.04 | Haris | actually, this is e3 |
| 15:33.05 | enouf | but, actually pastor has a much less connotation of dogma, than say priest |
| 15:33.08 | Haris | ext3 |
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| 15:33.40 | jeffwheeler | I'm sure there's an obvious solution to this, but I can't think of anything: I just upgraded pidgin-data, but I realized there's no updated pidgin and libpurple packages yet, so now pidgin is uninstalled, and can't be installed because it needs an old pidgin-data; is the old one still stored on the server, or something, for me to get? |
| 15:33.42 | amphi | enouf: well - it only really makes sense for cults that favour an ovine model for the congregation ;) |
| 15:33.48 | enouf | Haris: read the docs man |
| 15:33.53 | Haris | Ok |
| 15:34.01 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: thought you never had problems with sid ? |
| 15:34.11 | dbmoodb | so i take it time to reinstall ? |
| 15:34.13 | dury | where is the place where I can put an image when I write user and password at the beginning? |
| 15:34.15 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: :P it's still running fine ;) |
| 15:34.25 | enouf | dumpe2fs -h /dev/hdaX is what i told you much earlier for you to see yur inode situation |
| 15:34.32 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: how does pidgin work? :) |
| 15:34.44 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: fine, I'll fix it myself ;) |
| 15:34.53 | enouf | amphi: hrm, bovine, yummy :-) |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: did you check incoming ? |
| 15:35.05 | amphi | enouf: no, ovine ;) |
| 15:35.12 | enouf | i know |
| 15:35.28 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: i think incoming.debian.org might have stuff you want |
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| 15:35.38 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: hmm, I learn something new every day -- why I like Sid; thanks |
| 15:35.39 | enouf | catholic means universal, not popemobie worshipping |
| 15:35.52 | enouf | er mobile even :-P |
| 15:35.53 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: and also .. /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 15:36.19 | dbmoodb | dudes ? |
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| 15:36.27 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: thanks; that helps a bunch |
| 15:36.43 | dury | when boot the box.... you have to write -> username and password....see? so there is an image and it's possible to change it... how is it? |
| 15:36.52 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: these are things you should have known :) |
| 15:37.11 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: I'm good with learning as I go; seems good to me |
| 15:37.18 | enouf | dury: you want autologin? |
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| 15:37.33 | MrKnights | Hey, had a power cut last night and i booted up my server this afternoon and it has a grub reed error, whats the fastist way to fix this? i only have a ubuntu live cd to work with? i think the os is debain 7.10 |
| 15:37.37 | enouf | dury: you want to change the background? |
| 15:37.49 | xand | MrKnights: there is no such version of debian |
| 15:37.51 | enouf | the wallpaper? of your login screen? |
| 15:38.13 | abrotman | MrKnights: you should know what your server is running |
| 15:38.15 | dury | enouf: the background that's right :) |
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| 15:38.28 | MrKnights | xand: lol i figured out when i said that... erm it was install about a mounth ago so it should be whatever is the newist version |
| 15:38.31 | enouf | dury: ok, of you login screen? |
| 15:38.35 | enouf | your* |
| 15:38.42 | eth01 | i doubt the power cut would have affected any possible server misconfigurations |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | MrKnights: newest version of what? |
| 15:38.53 | Daveman | :) |
| 15:39.02 | dury | enouf: that's right :) |
| 15:39.02 | Daveman | so much for the snow, eh abrotman? ;p |
| 15:39.07 | abrotman | Daveman: works for me |
| 15:39.19 | Daveman | and to think I was actually going to shovel this morning :P |
| 15:39.22 | dury | login screen enouf |
| 15:39.31 | enouf | dury: ok, which DM do you use? gdm? kdm? xdm? using GNOME? KDE? XFCE4? |
| 15:39.32 | MrKnights | abrotman: Debian |
| 15:39.33 | abrotman | i'm glad ... stitches and shoveling don't seem to mix :) |
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| 15:39.38 | Daveman | much to my disappointment, it had all disappeared :) |
| 15:39.46 | Daveman | abrotman, eek :p |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | MrKnights: boot the liveCD ... chroot into your debian install .. reinstall grub |
| 15:39.53 | dury | enouf: gdm |
| 15:39.56 | Daveman | everything okay there, buddy? :) |
| 15:40.06 | abrotman | so they tell me :) |
| 15:40.11 | enouf | abrotman: wha happened? skiing? |
| 15:40.17 | abrotman | too much sun i suppose |
| 15:40.21 | enouf | dury: ok, no idea ;-) |
| 15:40.36 | abrotman | enouf: i don't ski .. way too cold for that much enjoyment |
| 15:40.37 | dury | gesss |
| 15:40.38 | enouf | dury: i don't use that stuff , sorry - maybe try irc.gnome.org |
| 15:40.47 | abrotman | or rather .. i haven't skied in 10+ years |
| 15:40.50 | MrKnights | abrotman: ok, thanks. any links that could help with the commands. kinda not the best with console. |
| 15:41.00 | enouf | abrotman: paratrooping? |
| 15:41.10 | Daveman | :P |
| 15:41.11 | abrotman | MrKnights: google "debian restore grub" .. maybe? |
| 15:41.24 | Daveman | yeah, abrotman's a warm-blooded freak |
| 15:41.28 | Daveman | hehehe |
| 15:41.29 | abrotman | yes .. i am |
| 15:41.33 | MrKnights | abrotman: will that work with a ubuntu live cd though |
| 15:41.38 | abrotman | erm .. cold-blooded i guess |
| 15:41.40 | abrotman | MrKnights: yes |
| 15:41.42 | Daveman | yeah ;) |
| 15:41.47 | Daveman | hes' a coldie! |
| 15:41.50 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: find what you need? |
| 15:41.51 | Daveman | needs warmth! |
| 15:42.02 | MrKnights | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:42.02 | Daveman | excessive amounts of it, it would seem :p |
| 15:42.29 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: yep, worked quite well; thanks for teaching me something new :) |
| 15:43.14 | enouf | dury: my guess is a) in /etc/gdm/* .. somewhere, and in /home/username/WHEREVER-THE-F-gnome-stores-it'sXML-crap |
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| 15:43.47 | enouf | dury: good? |
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| 15:44.08 | dbmoodb | people ? |
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| 15:45.56 | dury | enouf: I got it.... it was pretty easy |
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| 15:46.33 | enouf | dury: how about a factoid for other n00bs |
| 15:46.51 | o2T7 | albech: There was no luck? |
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| 15:47.02 | dury | enouf: just "Login Window Preferences" in Debian |
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| 15:47.11 | wols_ | there is a gdmconfig thingie |
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| 15:47.15 | wols_ | very pretty dialog too |
| 15:47.21 | enouf | ugh |
| 15:47.24 | albech | o2T7: still formatting |
| 15:47.38 | enouf | dury: tell me click-by-click |
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| 15:48.47 | enouf | dury: don't presume your click, is my click |
| 15:48.52 | dury | enouf: above you have... Applications - Places - Desktop that's in Gnome, right |
| 15:49.09 | enouf | ok, that's pretty good explanation so far |
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| 15:49.30 | dury | sorry you don't use gnome, do you? |
| 15:49.40 | enouf | i said no, back there |
| 15:49.56 | enouf | <enouf> dury: i don't use that stuff , sorry - .... |
| 15:49.59 | o2T7 | albech: big disk |
| 15:50.05 | dury | sorry mate really sorry |
| 15:50.33 | dury | enouf: not X |
| 15:50.42 | \amethyst | enouf: /usr/sbin/gdmsetup perhaps? |
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| 15:51.08 | enouf | dury: you were doing ok, but you seem sidetracked now |
| 15:51.18 | albech | o2T7: 500gb |
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| 15:51.29 | enouf | \amethyst: i'm not looking - i'm asking for another to explain it for others |
| 15:51.39 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks though |
| 15:51.40 | dury | sorry |
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| 15:52.22 | enouf | dury: kind of my point is click here > do this > go there > do that > play with this > then push this > ... |
| 15:52.50 | phz | enouf: I fixed the Nvidia driver-problem now. Apparently there is still some confusion from the renaming of a file that is created on your computer with nvidia-kernel-source which makes module-assistant unable to install the new version of the driver. It is a known problem, but it appeared several versions ago so I thought it was fixed, but no. |
| 15:53.01 | enouf | dury: but \amethyst may have found an actual CLI workaround, which is rare for GUI config |
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| 15:54.04 | Laaa | Hello , is there a tutorial how to install flash disk? |
| 15:54.04 | enouf | phz: very nicely stated, but sid is sid ;-) enjoy, and report bugs at the least to help, or fix and help more ;-) |
| 15:54.10 | dury | all right I will consider that, really appreciate it |
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| 15:54.39 | \amethyst | dury: you can also select Actions -> Configure the login manager at the login screen |
| 15:54.41 | ccvp | hello fellow internet addicts - are we all looking forward to another long & glorious weekend of irc? :) |
| 15:54.43 | ccvp | :) |
| 15:54.45 | \amethyst | (you'll need the root password) |
| 15:54.46 | enouf | Laaa: CF flash? or USB? |
| 15:54.59 | Laaa | usb disk |
| 15:55.06 | wols_ | !tell ccvp about sunday |
| 15:55.16 | wols_ | Laaa: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:55.21 | Laaa | enouf:Can you help? |
| 15:55.32 | enouf | Laaa: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 15:56.17 | wols_ | phz: debian really doesn't like proprietary stuff. e.g. lenny misses a nvidia drvier for 9months or so now :) |
| 15:56.22 | ccvp | is there any type of math software out there, where there is a standardized format, so when i type in my equation, the equation shows in a jpeg or a gif? |
| 15:56.22 | Laaa | I am a new to Debian |
| 15:56.29 | Haris | What's that utility for checking disk read/write output? |
| 15:56.30 | dury | \amethyst: where is Actions |
| 15:56.41 | wols_ | Haris: hdparm, bonnie++ ? |
| 15:56.45 | dury | \amethyst: in which menu |
| 15:56.47 | eth01 | Haris, yeah. |
| 15:56.48 | Haris | hdparam! |
| 15:56.54 | wols_ | hdparm. not param |
| 15:56.55 | Laaa | but will USB flash disk work similar to Windows? |
| 15:57.00 | eth01 | Haris, bonnie++ |
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| 15:57.32 | Laaa | will be USB disk mounted automatically? |
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| 15:57.52 | \amethyst | dury: actually, I guess that depends on the theme.... at the login screen, there should be a button labelled 'options' or 'actions' or something like that |
| 15:57.53 | albech | o2T7: for some reason this format seems really slow.. its at 25% now for 500gb |
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| 15:57.59 | enouf | Laaa: my bad, do you just want to mount a USB HDD ? |
| 15:58.21 | enouf | Laaa: if so, follow the information that dpkg told you, that wols_ sent you |
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| 15:58.34 | o2T7 | albech: perhaps it is due to your system's usb speed |
| 15:58.36 | enouf | Laaa: yes, it can be mounted automatically |
| 15:58.38 | Laaa | enouf:Yes, that's it |
| 15:58.56 | albech | o2T7: yes, that could be |
| 15:59.09 | enouf | Laaa: do, in your irc client "/msg dpkg usb-storage" |
| 15:59.14 | enouf | Laaa: no quotes |
| 15:59.22 | o2T7 | albech: If you have another system there, you could stop mkfs and do it on the another machine |
| 15:59.27 | jelly-home | albech: mkfsing a .5TB ext3 partition is always slow. |
| 15:59.41 | wols_ | jelly-home: no it isn't |
| 15:59.46 | wols_ | unless you verify |
| 15:59.51 | albech | jelly-home: ok, good to know :D |
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| 15:59.56 | enouf | Laaa: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 16:00.00 | albech | jelly-home: wasnt sure if it was my system |
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| 16:00.05 | Haris | how much time would bonnie -u ordinary-user -x 1 take? |
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| 16:00.18 | jelly-home | wols_: any fs operation taking longer than say 10 minutes is slow for me |
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| 16:00.31 | wols_ | never had it take 10min for a ext3 |
| 16:00.40 | albech | o2T7: i did the initial format with ext3 on my notebook, but for some reason that wouldnt mount on my debian system |
| 16:00.41 | Laaa | thank you for help but |
| 16:00.41 | wols_ | all it does is writing metadata |
| 16:00.50 | wols_ | just don't verfiy the whole disk, then yes it's slow |
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| 16:01.03 | Laaa | but how can I find a device name |
| 16:01.06 | Haris | hmm |
| 16:01.12 | jelly-home | wols_: indeed. and it writes all over the device, in a rather random-access way. |
| 16:01.23 | Haris | I should'v used -d /path/to/folder :| |
| 16:01.23 | enouf | Laaa: dmesg | tail , cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:01.43 | o2T7 | albech: I mean doing an ext2 format, since your oldie doesn't recognize ext3 |
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| 16:02.02 | wols_ | albech: what kernel version is the "oldie"? |
| 16:02.04 | Haris | Writing with putc()...done |
| 16:02.05 | Haris | Writing intelligently... |
| 16:02.05 | enouf | Laaa: install less, then you can do dmesg | less and scroll (use 'q' to quit) |
| 16:02.18 | Haris | what's intelligent writing? lol |
| 16:02.18 | wols_ | o2T7: old kernels can mount ext2 partition as ext2 just fine |
| 16:02.25 | wols_ | just no journailling at the time |
| 16:02.26 | Laaa | enouf:Thanks,I will try |
| 16:02.30 | albech | wols_: 2.2 something |
| 16:02.34 | wols_ | e.g. it'S what explore2fs and other windows ext2 drivers do |
| 16:02.46 | Haris | ext2 has been like for the last 13 years |
| 16:02.53 | o2T7 | wols_: you mean ext3 as ext2 ? |
| 16:02.54 | Haris | how the heck would a 2.x kernel not mount it? |
| 16:03.00 | phz | ccvp: I don't quite get what you mean. Do you want software for rendering mathematical equations and export them to JPEGs? |
| 16:03.14 | wad | Hello, folks. I'm trying to learn XWindows programming, under Debian. In reading the man pages on some of the functions, I find I'm still confused. I've googled around, but have yet to find a decent source of explanation... is there a guide or tutoral, or something like that for XWindow programming, that anyone here recommends? |
| 16:03.45 | enouf | Laaa: "more" is also a *pager*, like "less" is; so right now, you could use more, it's installed as default |
| 16:03.54 | wols_ | o2T7: yes you can mount any ext3 as ext2 |
| 16:04.06 | wols_ | 2.2 might have problems in filesystem size or blocksize or such |
| 16:04.45 | o2T7 | wols_: ok |
| 16:04.59 | icedtea` | wad: gtk and qt or kde programming is so much more popular |
| 16:05.04 | albech | i dont really care.. its a temporary filesystem i need to backup my entire server on to while i update it.. its been running for 3 years now and its about time i get it updated.. forgot all about this server :D |
| 16:05.21 | icedtea` | wad: I've seen one or two X window programming tutorials, but they were really old and crusty |
| 16:05.59 | wols_ | wad: Xlib programming is HARD and TEDIOUS. don't do it. use any toolkit, gtk, qt, wxwidgets, anything just not xlib when beginning |
| 16:06.15 | wols_ | there are some very dry and boring books you really don't wanna read |
| 16:06.15 | enouf | wad: XDMCP ? |
| 16:06.19 | wols_ | so do yourself a favour and don't do it :) |
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| 16:07.06 | enouf | wad: you have the manpages-dev pkg installed ? |
| 16:08.22 | enouf | wols_: who knows, maybe we'll get a floss ati 3d driver soon ()for newer cards) .. ;-) |
| 16:09.02 | Haris | would lowering mtu to 1480 or 13xx cause problems for people getting traffic through a device or would it improve performance? |
| 16:09.14 | dury | \amethyst: I would appreciate it if you could help me to change the theme image, is it possible? |
| 16:09.27 | Haris | Generally, I think it improves traffic |
| 16:09.38 | enouf | wad: not to mention, afaik, it's called the X Wondowing System, not XWindows |
| 16:09.47 | enouf | er typo |
| 16:09.52 | wad | I'm back. Sorry, got called away as soon as I hit Enter. :-/ |
| 16:10.34 | enouf | dury: thought you had it covered, no? |
| 16:10.38 | Laaa | enouf: so I tried cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:10.56 | Laaa | and found out that , if USB disk is inserted |
| 16:11.01 | wad | Okay, I've read your comments. So, maybe I'm just confused. |
| 16:11.07 | enouf | Laaa: dmesg | tail after connecting should suffice |
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| 16:11.16 | Laaa | there are sbd and sbd1 |
| 16:11.20 | wad | I'm trying to maintain a debian package that has been orphaned, in the hopes of adopting it when I become a developer. |
| 16:11.23 | enouf | Laaa: or as root, run "udevmonitor" |
| 16:11.23 | wols_ | enouf: BS |
| 16:11.39 | wad | If you want to take a look, the package is called "apple2". |
| 16:11.44 | enouf | wols_: ahem! |
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| 16:11.56 | wols_ | enouf: the ONLY stuff ati released so far are for r5xx and those are the x1xx cards. everything newer, (HD line) is still under wraps |
| 16:11.57 | enouf | wols_: to what? ati 3d ? |
| 16:12.04 | wols_ | to anything |
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| 16:12.07 | enouf | ok |
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| 16:12.11 | wols_ | ati hasn't released any r6xx specs |
| 16:12.14 | wad | It won't run under KDE or anything, because it requires 8 bit PseudoColor. I'm trying to fix it to work with normal modern displays. |
| 16:12.18 | wols_ | and I'm not sure how much 3D ones |
| 16:12.21 | Laaa | but what device shall I use? |
| 16:12.28 | enouf | wols_: to me the X1xxx cards are New ;-) |
| 16:12.32 | Laaa | I tried /dev/sbd1 |
| 16:12.34 | wad | It uses functions like XMatchVisualInfo(). |
| 16:12.35 | dury | no :) |
| 16:12.36 | wols_ | enouf: not for the market |
| 16:12.40 | dury | :( |
| 16:12.40 | Haris | well |
| 16:12.41 | Laaa | or /dev/sbd |
| 16:12.49 | Haris | bonnie gave me output |
| 16:12.52 | Laaa | but without success |
| 16:12.55 | Haris | but I don't understand a word of it |
| 16:13.07 | enouf | erm, wait, the X850XT, the X1800, etc? dang i'm out of it, blame it on Nyle |
| 16:13.10 | Laaa | it says: no such file or directory |
| 16:13.12 | Haris | I can only assume its a comma seperated result of all tests |
| 16:13.20 | wols_ | enouf: unless they release specs with the day they release cards or shortly thereafter they are bullshitting cause they are in a position of weeakness in the market. basically they don't do it cause they are convinved but as a competititve measure for their own ends |
| 16:13.24 | wols_ | so fuck em |
| 16:13.27 | Haris | computername,2G,14124,97,34953,36,13724,12,15773,97,33276,18,561.6,3,16,18521,98,+++++,+++,25968,100,19086,100,+++++,+++,25283,100 |
| 16:13.30 | enouf | FaTal1ty! |
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| 16:13.54 | enouf | wols_: i actually concur, i did not know the specifics |
| 16:14.41 | enouf | wols_: just like supposedly MPoop released 30K lines of source code, JUST prior to being slapped with a 1.54Billion $ fine ;-) |
| 16:14.48 | wols_ | and even then ther is the whole issue of them having shitty opengl coders :P |
| 16:15.11 | wols_ | enouf: see http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf ;) |
| 16:15.15 | enouf | wols_: tell me you're not an nvidia nor intel fanboi |
| 16:15.27 | enouf | will do - thanls |
| 16:15.32 | enouf | thanks even wols_ |
| 16:15.34 | wols_ | even if it'S old stuff. and the groklaw comment on that MS stuff pj wrote. right on the money |
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| 16:15.46 | wols_ | they think the public is dumb. and they are even right :( |
| 16:15.58 | enouf | yes, sheeple are the masses |
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| 16:16.05 | enouf | and i own them ;-) |
| 16:16.12 | enouf | for i am CCCP! |
| 16:16.28 | wols_ | daddy stalin is that you? |
| 16:16.48 | enouf | nope, CCCP == Corporate Commie Capitalist Pigs |
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| 16:17.21 | wols_ | madison ave owns them |
| 16:17.27 | enouf | RobbingHood |
| 16:17.38 | enouf | Steal from the Poor to feed the Rich ;-) |
| 16:17.43 | Laaa | enouf:I made a little progress but when I try |
| 16:17.48 | maligor | we all got opensparc cores to run our free software ofcourse |
| 16:17.49 | Laaa | /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0 |
| 16:17.58 | ClimDan | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
| 16:18.03 | Laaa | it says Permission denied |
| 16:18.06 | Haris | o_O |
| 16:18.10 | amphi | enouf: custom & pratice ;) |
| 16:18.11 | Haris | adverts! |
| 16:18.18 | Laaa | Do you have an idea why? |
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| 16:18.38 | enouf | Laaa: sorry, but maybe your DE can help auto mount AND, the "noauto" means don't auto mount |
| 16:18.45 | amphi | ClimDan: 'cool dating club' is an oxymoron |
| 16:18.50 | enouf | amphi: +c :-) |
| 16:19.00 | amphi | enouf: indeed |
| 16:19.23 | enouf | Laaa: i don't even use USB crap |
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| 16:19.37 | enouf | !tell Laaa -about vfatrw |
| 16:19.51 | dimir | Seems like a spam. |
| 16:20.19 | Laaa | what is vfatrw ? |
| 16:20.24 | enouf | maligor: hardware manu are pwn3d! |
| 16:20.31 | dury | bbl |
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| 16:20.39 | enouf | Laaa: sorry, maybe not applicable |
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| 16:21.38 | enouf | Laaa: is your USB HDD plugged in and powered up when you boot? |
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| 16:21.53 | enouf | Laaa: you showed us a /etc/fstab line |
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| 16:22.58 | Laaa | no it is not plugged when I boot |
| 16:23.32 | Laaa | I want to use USB disk to copy some files to Debian box from time to time |
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| 16:24.34 | enouf | Laaa: look into pmount and autofs - man pmount and autofs? i have no idea? "udev" should detect the drive, load the modules and your DE can control what to do from there |
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| 16:25.05 | enouf | if no DE - then make a script, write a udev rule |
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| 16:25.30 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 16:25.56 | ribnitz | are there any (Sun) JDK 1.6 packages for debian? |
| 16:26.01 | enouf | Laaa: automounting is a lot more chalked up than it's worth in my opinion ;-) |
| 16:26.04 | wols_ | !java |
| 16:26.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 16:26.21 | Laaa | yes, maybe I need to write a new rule for udev |
| 16:26.41 | ribnitz | !tell me about install-java |
| 16:26.44 | Laaa | is there any "How-to" about that? |
| 16:26.49 | ribnitz | !tell me about install java |
| 16:26.55 | enouf | Laaa: see http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TechTalks/4thAugust2007 the udev section |
| 16:27.02 | wols_ | !tell ribnitz about selftell |
| 16:27.04 | salvin | ribnitz, /msg dpkg install java |
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| 16:27.27 | ribnitz | salvin: thanks |
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| 16:27.55 | Laaa | enouf:Thanks a lot. I will check |
| 16:28.22 | enouf | np |
| 16:28.45 | smeuuh | hello, i've just installed debian with kernel 2.6.24. The driver for my wifi card, iwl3945 is present in lsmod, but isn't in ifconfig and when booting i have this : http://rafb.net/p/GR6nMQ78.html |
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| 16:29.17 | salvin | !iwl3945 |
| 16:29.31 | salvin | hm |
| 16:30.20 | salvin | !ipw3945 |
| 16:30.20 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 16:30.35 | enouf | !iwl4965 |
| 16:30.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 16:31.12 | smeuuh | okay, so i need this package |
| 16:31.12 | Haris | *ahem* |
| 16:31.29 | Haris | I didn't get an output form bonnie as this ( http://www.textuality.com/bonnie/advice.html ) page says |
| 16:31.32 | Haris | from+ |
| 16:31.50 | salvin | enouf, iwl is better than ipw? |
| 16:32.02 | Haris | isn't mdstat a utility? |
| 16:32.09 | wols_ | salvin: unless you run a 2.6.24 kernel you can't get it |
| 16:32.17 | Haris | that shows read/write speed currently working on raid disks |
| 16:32.20 | wols_ | well you can get it but not use |
| 16:32.23 | enouf | salvin: i don't even know what wireless is, let alone which is better :-/ |
| 16:32.25 | Haris | partitions+ |
| 16:32.30 | cahoot | wols_: not true |
| 16:32.44 | wols_ | cahoot: backporting the new wlan layer? |
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| 16:32.51 | enouf | salvin: i know the bot pretty well though ;-) |
| 16:33.15 | enouf | mac80211 |
| 16:33.18 | enouf | run |
| 16:33.19 | smeuuh | the problem is that i have a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 16:33.21 | smeuuh | so it should be included |
| 16:33.27 | ccvp | <ccvp> I am making Southwesttern egg beaters with slices of cheese on it , pot of starbucks coffee brewing, bacon, and fried potatoe slices as you all starve to death |
| 16:33.31 | wols_ | smeuuh: where did you get the kernel? |
| 16:33.31 | salvin | ah, iwl are in linux |
| 16:33.36 | wols_ | !tell smeuuh about simple sid backport |
| 16:33.38 | smeuuh | from unstable |
| 16:33.48 | wols_ | smeuuh: are you actually running unstable? |
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| 16:33.54 | smeuuh | no i'm not |
| 16:34.05 | enouf | ccvp: sounds good, i'm in |
| 16:34.06 | eifzon | how can I remove a chroot I made? |
| 16:34.12 | smeuuh | i'm running testing with kernel from unstable |
| 16:34.17 | wols_ | eifzon: rm it |
| 16:34.18 | ccvp | eggbeaters |
| 16:34.20 | ccvp | are actually good |
| 16:34.24 | ccvp | and taste good |
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| 16:34.31 | eifzon | wols_: rm /var/choots/user/username ? |
| 16:34.31 | smeuuh | (to have sound and wifi working ... or so i thought :)) |
| 16:34.34 | wols_ | cahoot: do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:34.38 | enouf | ccvp: now, die you dumbass. cause 30000 kids die a day, because of your piggyness |
| 16:34.38 | rahul | they're just egg whites in a carton with oil |
| 16:34.47 | cahoot | wols_: how so? |
| 16:34.59 | salvin | smeuuh, try to install only firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:35.01 | enouf | eggbeaters suck ass |
| 16:35.08 | enouf | give me the bird babay |
| 16:35.10 | wols_ | cahoot: was for ccvp sry. for you wasn "how to get iwl... without a 2.6.24 or 23 kernel) |
| 16:35.18 | wols_ | ccvp: do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:35.20 | smeuuh | yeah i'm doing that right now, gonna reboot now |
| 16:35.21 | wols_ | enouf: don't feed! |
| 16:35.22 | enouf | now, stfu, you're OT |
| 16:35.47 | ccvp | ruh roh, the sociopaths come out to attack because I'm having a personality instead of the typical droned linux bland'ness :( |
| 16:35.48 | ccvp | :) |
| 16:35.56 | enouf | rahul: how the heck are ya - it actually warmed up today |
| 16:35.57 | wols_ | !ops please make ccvp stay on topic |
| 16:35.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: please make ccvp stay on topic |
| 16:35.59 | rahul | eggbeaters are a personality? |
| 16:36.06 | wols_ | rahul: stop please |
| 16:36.13 | azeem | ccvp: please keep it on topic |
| 16:36.18 | enouf | ccvp: die you dumbass |
| 16:36.21 | rahul | heh |
| 16:36.23 | ccvp | :) |
| 16:36.24 | wols_ | enouf: you too |
| 16:36.27 | rahul | nice |
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| 16:36.32 | enouf | yes, my bad |
| 16:36.37 | rahul | wols_: ssh, I'm appreciating the juxtaposition |
| 16:37.04 | rahul | enouf: it warmed up all last night |
| 16:37.09 | rahul | the low hit around 6 pm |
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| 16:37.32 | wols_ | rahul: go to !ot |
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| 16:38.29 | rahul | jeez. this channel gives me a headache |
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| 16:40.19 | bertvdp | hi, I'm having a problem with vmware server on a 64-bit system, it seems to need the 32-bit version of libgnome-vfs, would it hurt the system if I also installed the 32-bit one ? |
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| 16:40.47 | smeuuh | yay, it works, thanks salvin :) |
| 16:41.35 | salvin | of nothing |
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| 16:43.29 | Spee_Der | Could someone reccomend an applet for monitoring the CPU speed and Temerature using Debian (Etch) v4.0 r3 please. |
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| 16:45.48 | amphi | Spee_Der: I like gkrellm |
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| 16:46.05 | craigevil | or conky |
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| 16:46.39 | Spee_Der | Ok. Thanks, I will try those now. I finally got some heat sink grease and it has settled down and works smooth. |
| 16:47.31 | Spee_Der | Conky does not seem to be in the packages, yet. |
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| 16:48.25 | Nyle | is there a sort of a n ftpfs? |
| 16:48.37 | Nyle | like mount an ftp as a local mountpoint or something |
| 16:48.39 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 16:48.44 | craigevil | might look in backports, i have no idea whats available in stable since i run sid |
| 16:49.16 | Spee_Der | amphi, thanks. That works nicely. |
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| 16:50.10 | Nyle | yes yes in debian |
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| 16:50.13 | amphi | Spee_Der: gkrellm is old, but still my prefered monitor |
| 16:50.23 | Nyle | is it in the kernel or not |
| 16:50.34 | jsemmanue1 | can someone help me to get compiz to work on debian 4.0? |
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| 16:50.59 | enouf | Spee_Der: and amphi for console check out libstatgrab |
| 16:51.24 | craigevil | jsemmanue1: try #compiz-fusion |
| 16:51.25 | omnil | Nyle: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/NetworkFileSystems ? |
| 16:51.35 | jsemmanue1 | thanks craigevil |
| 16:51.40 | enouf | fuse sshfs |
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| 16:52.07 | enouf | sftp uses ssh anyway |
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| 16:52.31 | amphi | enouf: thanks |
| 16:52.53 | enouf | amphi: np ;-) |
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| 16:53.43 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.47 | Nyle | booya |
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| 16:57.28 | sk00by | hello everybody! |
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| 16:57.50 | amphi | @greet sk00by |
| 16:57.52 | ravenbird | Hi sk00by! |
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| 17:02.39 | eifzon | It says operation not permitted when I try tho remove my /var/chroots/users/username? |
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| 17:08.21 | wols_ | enouf: a file there is still open most likely |
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| 17:08.34 | wols_ | damn he'S gone already |
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| 17:09.19 | lunaphyte | what's the difference between linux-tree-2.6.22 and linux-source-2.6.22 ? |
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| 17:10.15 | shamrock | can someone recommend a tool in debian to remove all ID3 tags from my music directory hierarchy? |
| 17:10.19 | jetscreamer | tree is not what you want for kernel source to compile a kernel |
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| 17:10.34 | jetscreamer | i don't know what tree is but i know you don't need it for that |
| 17:10.48 | lunaphyte | hmm, ok. |
| 17:10.55 | ales_ | hello, do you know how do i get working Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61) ? |
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| 17:11.35 | wols_ | linux-tree is a metapackage for linux-source and linux-patch |
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| 17:12.07 | wols_ | !tell ales_ about ipw4965 |
| 17:12.27 | lunaphyte | what's a metapackage? |
| 17:12.41 | enouf | !meta |
| 17:12.44 | lunaphyte | !tell lunaphyte about metapackage |
| 17:12.45 | amphi | lunaphyte: a set of dependecies |
| 17:13.00 | amphi | lunaphyte: *dependencies |
| 17:13.04 | lunaphyte | oh, ok. i get it. |
| 17:13.33 | lunaphyte | a shortcut, more or less? |
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| 17:14.16 | enouf | yeah, a SendTo shortcut, lol |
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| 17:15.01 | lunaphyte | haha. |
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| 17:15.23 | lunaphyte | why do i want linux-patch-debian-2.6.22? |
| 17:15.29 | lunaphyte | why not a pristine kernel? |
| 17:15.31 | enouf | lunaphyte: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 17:15.42 | ales_ | i compiled 2.6.24, modprobed iwl4965, it was ok, but still i can't get the device up : SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 17:15.54 | wols_ | ales_: read the factoid again |
| 17:16.09 | wols_ | ales_: and use a debian kernel |
| 17:16.22 | lunaphyte | enouf: thanks. |
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| 17:17.38 | ales_ | wols_: it IS the debian kernel, anyway i am going to read http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi ... thx |
| 17:18.23 | wols_ | ales_: the rad the factoid more carefully |
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| 17:19.15 | ales_ | wols_: by saying factoid you mean probably the dpkg bot output ... |
| 17:19.24 | wols_ | yes |
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| 17:22.15 | subsume | Does apt dist-upgrade give you the latest version of debian? |
| 17:22.30 | wols_ | no |
| 17:22.50 | maligor | in a way it does, it gives the latest version of the installed debian release :P |
| 17:22.51 | wols_ | what debian version do you run right now? |
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| 17:23.03 | wols_ | maligor: no it doesn't |
| 17:23.18 | maligor | oh? doesn't it just upgrade the packages like 'upgrade'? |
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| 17:23.46 | wols_ | subsume: what debian version do you run right now? |
| 17:23.46 | Masterfrag | is there a tool which checks all packages and if there are missing files in the system it will reinstall that package automatically? |
| 17:24.08 | wols_ | maligor: not |
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| 17:24.11 | wols_ | !tell Masterfrag about reinstall |
| 17:24.15 | wols_ | Masterfrag: ^^ |
| 17:24.56 | subsume | wols_: edgy |
| 17:25.05 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 17:25.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:25.11 | wols_ | go back to #ubuntu then |
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| 17:25.40 | Eulex | maligor, the contents of sources.list must of course not match the installed system |
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| 17:27.00 | diafic | Why is openoffice hideous? |
| 17:27.31 | Edward123 | because baby jesus hates you |
| 17:27.51 | diafic | :/ |
| 17:28.04 | maligor | I don't see anything wrong with the openoffice look |
| 17:28.41 | craigevil | 2.3 is hideous, 2.4 looks much nicer and the weird font issues are fixed |
| 17:29.08 | Masterfrag | thx xD |
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| 17:29.51 | Hypergraphe | hmm no manual entry for gcc |
| 17:29.54 | Hypergraphe | weird |
| 17:29.59 | ALVAN | there is an dpkg option like rpm -qV package has to verify the integrity of a package |
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| 17:30.09 | azeem | Hypergraphe: gcc is just a symlink |
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| 17:30.28 | Hypergraphe | even if i type the good version |
| 17:30.39 | valdyn | Hypergraphe: theres a manpage |
| 17:30.56 | Hypergraphe | man gcc-4.2 |
| 17:30.56 | Hypergraphe | No manual entry for gcc-4.2 |
| 17:30.56 | Hypergraphe | See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 17:30.58 | craigevil | aren't the gcc manpages in non-free or at least part of them |
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| 17:31.12 | Hypergraphe | i don't have non-free |
| 17:31.17 | Hypergraphe | in my sources |
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| 17:32.08 | wols_ | they are. FDL is non free license according to debian |
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| 17:32.31 | Hypergraphe | ok |
| 17:32.37 | Hypergraphe | thx for the answer |
| 17:33.16 | ALVAN | how can i verify the integrity of a package with dpkg (thsi to see if one .conf or a binary file have been modified since i installed the pacakge) |
| 17:33.38 | wols_ | you cannot see if config files have been modified |
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| 17:33.46 | wols_ | for the toehr files: debsums |
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| 17:34.28 | ALVAN | wols_, and there is no dpkg option ? |
| 17:34.34 | daaf | does pppoe in linux use software compression like windows? |
| 17:35.04 | wols_ | no |
| 17:35.10 | wols_ | daaf: it can yes |
| 17:35.24 | daaf | I keep wondering - my adsl connection in windows drops all the time |
| 17:35.36 | daaf | not dropping in debian |
| 17:35.39 | daaf | what a piece of crap this windows |
| 17:35.57 | daaf | dunno the cause, guess that software compression |
| 17:36.18 | maligor | you could get a router inbetween that can handle pppoe |
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| 17:36.34 | maligor | some of those have flaky software too tho |
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| 17:36.50 | wols_ | daaf: use coLinux under windows from now on |
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| 17:37.08 | daaf | colinux hm hear for the first time, lets google it |
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| 17:37.52 | wols_ | daaf: does your modem use usb or ethernet? |
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| 17:38.01 | daaf | ethernet |
| 17:38.23 | wols_ | good |
| 17:38.28 | maligor | it can't handle the ppp connections for you? |
| 17:38.33 | daaf | i browse sites and suddenly the adsl led is gone |
| 17:38.51 | daaf | maligor, no it's just a dumb modem without web interface |
| 17:39.01 | daaf | I must manually establish it with username and password |
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| 17:39.14 | maligor | that sounds more like a issue with the physical link rather than ppp itself tho |
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| 17:40.07 | daaf | wols for what do you suggest running colinux? just to establish the connection or .. ? |
| 17:40.25 | wols_ | daaf: it can act as a router for your windows |
| 17:40.34 | wols_ | and hopefully doesn't drop connections |
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| 17:40.56 | daaf | I could just configure it like with pppoeconf? |
| 17:41.15 | wols_ | colinux is not easy to setup. but when it doesn't work yes then pppoeconf would work |
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| 17:41.46 | maligor | reminds me of KillerNIC, that runs linux on a onboard ppc |
| 17:41.51 | daaf | ok thanks! |
| 17:42.00 | Hypergraphe | wols_: i don't find anything about gcc manpages in non-free |
| 17:42.05 | wols_ | erm, wehn it DOES work |
| 17:42.25 | wols_ | info gcc-doc |
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| 17:42.27 | wols_ | !info gcc-doc |
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| 17:42.40 | wols_ | Hypergraphe: it's not in manpages btw. it's GNU software they use .info |
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| 17:43.20 | Hypergraphe | k |
| 17:43.43 | dpkg | gcc-doc: (documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++)), section contrib/doc, is optional. Version: 4:4.2.3.nf1 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
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| 17:44.01 | ignu | What part of my /etc/fstab do I need to change to make it automatically mount usb devices? ... right now I added '/dev/sda1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0' ... by the way, I did already 'mkdir /media/usb0' |
| 17:44.02 | wols_ | Hypergraphe: contrib it seems. sorry |
| 17:44.10 | Hypergraphe | ok |
| 17:44.15 | Hypergraphe | i'm trying |
| 17:44.17 | daaf | erm sorry one more thing - I just pinged google and I got 478 packets transmitted, 327 received, 31% packet loss, time 586012ms |
| 17:44.18 | Hypergraphe | at the moment |
| 17:44.21 | daaf | what does that mean? |
| 17:44.22 | wols_ | ignu: rw,user,noauto is bad |
| 17:44.24 | daaf | is packet loss normal? |
| 17:44.30 | wols_ | ignu: and you using /dev/sda1 is too |
| 17:44.37 | wols_ | !tell ignu about UUID |
| 17:44.46 | wols_ | daaf: not it's not |
| 17:44.48 | porsche911 | daaf depending of your network usage :P |
| 17:44.55 | ignu | thx wols_ |
| 17:45.23 | Hypergraphe | ok wols_ works fine THX A LOT :) |
| 17:45.49 | daaf | even when im not doing anything i ping and i get that |
| 17:45.52 | porsche911 | there can be some problems, from physical layer, till a dos etc |
| 17:45.58 | porsche911 | then you have a problem daaf |
| 17:46.07 | daaf | where lies the problem? |
| 17:46.11 | daaf | the adsl line? |
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| 17:46.40 | porsche911 | well, in a lan enviroment, you lost packets? |
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| 17:46.53 | daaf | dunno |
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| 17:46.57 | daaf | i pinged google this time |
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| 17:47.07 | porsche911 | loopback interface is ok? |
| 17:47.09 | daaf | let me ping my modem |
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| 17:47.25 | porsche911 | can sound stupid, but in L1/L2, cable is ok? |
| 17:47.27 | daaf | no loss there |
| 17:47.42 | daaf | whats L1/L2? |
| 17:47.48 | porsche911 | layer1/layer2 |
| 17:47.52 | porsche911 | osi model :P |
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| 17:47.57 | porsche911 | well, i mean physical |
| 17:48.00 | porsche911 | ethernet, cable etc |
| 17:48.08 | daaf | ethernet cable is fine |
| 17:48.08 | porsche911 | discarding it |
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| 17:48.16 | daaf | for the adsl connection i use normal telephone cable |
| 17:48.22 | daaf | I guess that won't mind... ? |
| 17:48.29 | porsche911 | is ok |
| 17:48.35 | porsche911 | you lost packets with your gateway? |
| 17:48.42 | daaf | no |
| 17:48.43 | radius | quick question, why is it that when i have kde running my video is smooth and clear - but if i load gnome video is not so clear and choppy? running debian lenny |
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| 17:48.52 | porsche911 | so |
| 17:49.08 | porsche911 | have you tried to ping another link instead of google? |
| 17:49.18 | porsche911 | prolly links of your provider could be overwhelmed |
| 17:49.19 | daaf | not yet |
| 17:49.35 | simonrvn | traceroute |
| 17:49.42 | daaf | overwhelmed as heavily loaded |
| 17:49.43 | daaf | ? |
| 17:49.45 | porsche911 | congested |
| 17:49.53 | porsche911 | sorry, english is not my native language |
| 17:49.55 | porsche911 | :p |
| 17:50.02 | porsche911 | that doesnt make sense |
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| 17:50.21 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:50.22 | porsche911 | you could try... ping some sites |
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| 17:50.33 | expose | hi |
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| 17:50.37 | porsche911 | and like simon said |
| 17:50.38 | porsche911 | do a traceroute |
| 17:50.42 | porsche911 | for check the point of fail |
| 17:50.45 | expose | hints on which kernel option is needed for this? "If your system supports it, ddrescue can use direct disc access to read the input file, bypassing the kernel cache." |
| 17:50.47 | daaf | pinged yahoo 15 packets transmitted, 15 received, 0% packet loss, time 14001ms |
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| 17:51.11 | daaf | ok I see no problem with yahoo |
| 17:51.40 | daaf | then since linux works, my conclusion is windows is a piece of garbage |
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| 17:51.57 | daaf | 55 packets transmitted, 55 received, 0% packet loss, time 54004ms |
| 17:52.22 | daaf | thanks guys |
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| 17:52.26 | porsche911 | hm |
| 17:52.29 | daaf | gotta go see you |
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| 17:56.26 | leonardo | hi i tried to run frostwire on debian lenny but say i need to install java. but i already have java installed |
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| 17:56.32 | leonardo | what i need to do? |
| 17:56.41 | leonardo | what is the command to install java again |
| 17:56.52 | leonardo | from aptitude |
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| 17:57.23 | simonrvn | !java |
| 17:57.23 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
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| 18:04.50 | nepbabu | idiot |
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| 18:05.09 | nepbabu | !beer SR71-Blackbird |
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| 18:05.51 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer nepbabu |
| 18:05.56 | nepbabu | :P |
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| 18:06.08 | DexterF | jever poured on an sr-71 will vaporize immediately due to the surface temperature of 570°C ;) |
| 18:06.17 | nepbabu | lmao |
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| 18:06.51 | DexterF | JP7 fuel probably does better |
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| 18:07.54 | DexterF | I'm trying to compile TrueCrypt 5.0a on r3 but ran into some problems: it wants wxWidgets 2.8 *and* its source. any way to circumvent this? I don't need the bloody gui anyway |
| 18:08.32 | nepbabu | DexterF, just get dm-crypt |
| 18:08.39 | nepbabu | !dm-crypt | DexterF |
| 18:08.46 | nepbabu | dpkg, die! |
| 18:08.46 | dpkg | !lart nepbabu |
| 18:09.02 | _fang | hello there! anyone knows if the issues with ssl3 packages from lenny is solved? last week i tried to install from the dvd and also upgrade from lenny and had problems, so i want to know if everything is ok now before trying again |
| 18:09.07 | zinx | nepbabu: !tell foo about bar |
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| 18:09.23 | nepbabu | DexterF, haven't used TrueCrypt.. no idea |
| 18:09.24 | DexterF | nepbabu: does dm-crypt work on win and osx? I don't think so. I ask for TC for a reason. |
| 18:09.38 | simonrvn | nepbabu: learn how to use the bot, grasshopper |
| 18:09.42 | DexterF | ok, ill google some more |
| 18:09.49 | nepbabu | simonrvn, poo |
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| 18:10.47 | DexterF | nepbabu: but since you seem to know about dm-crypt: in case the system fails for some reason, can I just reinstall or fire up a live dist like knoppix and mount the dm-crypt volume? |
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| 18:11.24 | simonrvn | nepbabu: yeh, but not here, in the bathroom, on the bowl, ok? |
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| 18:11.53 | nepbabu | DexterF, should be. as long as can get the vol mounted i guess. why would you need to use live distrib anyway? |
| 18:12.15 | nepbabu | simonrvn, sure. get over it |
| 18:12.29 | DexterF | nepbabu: like I said: imagine the system running your encrypted volumes failes for whatever reason |
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| 18:12.35 | simonrvn | nepbabu: get a sense of humour |
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| 18:12.48 | neutrino4 | Hi everybody! Could someone explain to me, why the fisrt sector of the first patition on the disk is 63 and not the 2nd (1st after the MBR)? |
| 18:13.05 | nepbabu | DexterF, no clue |
| 18:13.12 | zinx | neutrino4: because there are 62 extra blocks before the first partition |
| 18:13.36 | wols_ | nepbabu: how is this debian related? |
| 18:13.44 | wols_ | neutrino4: how is this debian related? |
| 18:13.52 | nepbabu | wols_, ? |
| 18:13.55 | subhnox | I believe the first set of blocks on disk store the drive geometry |
| 18:13.56 | ALVAN | wols_, do you know a good site for src.deb files and a waht is the dpkg command to rebuild the src.deb package ? |
| 18:14.01 | wols_ | NetEcho: was for neutrino4 |
| 18:14.06 | nepbabu | what did i do? leave me alone :P |
| 18:14.11 | zinx | wols_: you fail at tab completion ;) |
| 18:14.18 | wols_ | ALVAN: ftp.debian.org is |
| 18:14.22 | wols_ | !tell ALVAN about sources.list |
| 18:14.32 | wols_ | !tell ALVAN about apt howto |
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| 18:14.54 | wols_ | zinx: yes, badly |
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| 18:15.15 | NetEcho | wols_? |
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| 18:15.33 | wols_ | NetEcho: see abov |
| 18:15.51 | NetEcho | I only see one highlight of my name |
| 18:15.54 | simonrvn | wols_ sometimes misses badly with his tab completion, go easy on him |
| 18:16.03 | NetEcho | [13:14:01] <wols_> NetEcho: was for neutrino4 |
| 18:16.05 | NetEcho | is all I see |
| 18:16.07 | ALVAN | wols_, ok thanks |
| 18:16.08 | jelly-home | sometimes twice in a row, it seems |
| 18:16.11 | DexterF | neutrino4: first partition starts on *track* 2, not *sector* 2. I think almost every computer system partitions by track, hardly by sector tho I think its possible |
| 18:16.24 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 18:16.30 | zinx | those extra blocks are there for a reason |
| 18:16.30 | NetEcho | unless you did a double miss lol |
| 18:16.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 18:16.39 | jelly-home | NetEcho: he did |
| 18:16.41 | NetEcho | gotta love tab completion lol |
| 18:16.57 | nepbabu | nekostar, |
| 18:16.58 | nepbabu | oops |
| 18:17.01 | nepbabu | NetEcho, :) |
| 18:17.03 | zinx | mainly to embed other crap for booting in - such as larger boot loaders, BIOS fixers, etc |
| 18:17.04 | NetEcho | lol |
| 18:17.13 | nepbabu | lolo |
| 18:17.25 | neutrino4 | DexterF: ok |
| 18:17.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have one quick question, what would be the smp package of 2.6.18-5 ? |
| 18:17.32 | zinx | GRUB will stick its stage 1.5 there, for instance, so it can load the stage 2 from a filesystem |
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| 18:17.37 | simonrvn | DexterF: depends on partition type, as some have first partition be the partition map |
| 18:17.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | i cant seem to find an 2.6.18-5-smp |
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| 18:18.12 | simonrvn | DJ-Marcuzz: they're all smp |
| 18:18.13 | DexterF | simonrvn: you mean partiton table? |
| 18:18.17 | simonrvn | the 2.6 ones |
| 18:18.22 | simonrvn | DexterF: no |
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| 18:18.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | simonrvn: since when :| |
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| 18:19.01 | jelly-home | DJ-Marcuzz: since etch |
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| 18:19.52 | simonrvn | /dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map |
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| 18:20.32 | nepbabu | hi jwala |
| 18:20.46 | nepbabu | !beer jwala |
| 18:21.46 | nepbabu | joeey_, joeey__ joeey___, hey! |
| 18:22.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | thabnks for the info, last question, whats the latest kernel in the debian ech reposetory? i think 2.6.18-5-686 ? |
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| 18:22.56 | NickBurnsSNL | clear |
| 18:22.57 | wols_ | DJ-Marcuzz: 6 |
| 18:22.59 | wols_ | for etch |
| 18:23.01 | jwala | nepbabu, thanx |
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| 18:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | DJ-Marcuzz, apt-get install linux-image-2.6 should pull the last one in your sources.list, I think and yes...2.6.18-6 |
| 18:24.08 | itchi_ | even better to choice the arch ie linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:24.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | thanks, that would be perfect for in the debootscript i use, thanks a lot! |
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| 18:28.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, but I just looked, linux-image-2.6-686 also exists |
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| 18:28.28 | itchi_ | My sqlite3 is screwed. When i try to use it, it just hangs and the only way is to kill -9 it :-( |
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| 18:30.11 | jelly-home | itchi_: sounds like BDB a couple versions ago, only there's no db_recover |
| 18:30.38 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Well, on another stable box it works like expected, just not this one here :-( |
| 18:30.49 | itchi_ | I reinstalled it but still the same problem |
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| 18:32.21 | simonrvn | isn't there a recovery thingy that comes with it too? might be just the db needing fixing |
| 18:32.48 | itchi_ | simonrvn: The same db file works on another stable box |
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| 18:33.53 | simonrvn | same arch? |
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| 18:34.23 | itchi_ | simonrvn: yup |
| 18:34.43 | simonrvn | versions? same? |
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| 18:35.49 | itchi_ | simonrvn: Both 3.3.8-1.1 on 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 18:35.59 | patrick-1 | Hey, can someone tell me what this error message could be caused by? Can't create directory /var/lib/amavis/amavis Zu viele Links at |
| 18:36.04 | patrick-1 | "too many links" |
| 18:36.05 | patrick-1 | ? |
| 18:36.21 | patrick-1 | amavis[11425]: (11425-01) TROUBLE in process_request: Can't create directory /var/lib/amavis/amavis |
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| 18:36.45 | itchi_ | simonrvn: And the weird thing is that i worked like a charm some days ago |
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| 18:37.07 | Bac9 | is there a way to reset/reload an ide controller without reboot? it had drive errors, so I unmounted it for fsck but can't remount it |
| 18:37.13 | Bac9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.19 | Bac9 | the error I get when doing fsck is: fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hde1 |
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| 18:41.00 | jelly-home | itchi_: are both machines smp? |
| 18:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrick-1, you have a soft link pointing to itself (or something similar circular) |
| 18:41.15 | itchi_ | jelly-home: one only |
| 18:41.23 | patrick-1 | CutMeOwnThroat: cant find the cause of this |
| 18:41.26 | itchi_ | jelly-home: well, sqlite3 works now without a db |
| 18:41.41 | jelly-home | itchi_: you might have stumbled onto some weird threading bug |
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| 18:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrick-1, I told you the cause... ls -ld /var/lib/amavis/ probably shows it's a softlink pointing to itself |
| 18:42.34 | Zieg | Hey everyone, I'm trying to do a net install of Debian, and have tried on two separate computers. Both of them hit an error when they try to configure 'pkgsel'. And ideas? |
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| 18:43.04 | patrick-1 | drwxr-xr-x 32000 amavis amavis 1163264 2008-03-01 19:24 /var/lib/amavis/ |
| 18:43.18 | itchi_ | well, i hate bugs! |
| 18:43.20 | itchi_ | :-p |
| 18:43.49 | aditya1 | hello |
| 18:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bac9, that suggests the start of your disk needed for mounting is now also corrupted .... "the disk is dying/dead" |
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| 18:44.45 | Bac9 | CutMeOwnThroat: you're probably right (wouldn't be the first dead one from that manufacturer [WD]) but I wanted to try to see if it was the controller just in case |
| 18:45.05 | Bac9 | CutMeOwnThroat: hence the question, can I do something without reboot? |
| 18:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrick-1, also look at "amavis" one level deeper (and try to make it yourself if it's not there) |
| 18:45.41 | Zieg | Anyone know about package problems on net-installs? |
| 18:45.59 | jelly-home | Bac9: in general, no |
| 18:46.01 | patrick-1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont understand really |
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| 18:46.28 | itchi_ | jelly-home: The virtual machine has one cpu, there it been works. The problematic machine has one too. My main comp is smp and there it's ok too |
| 18:46.42 | Bac9 | jelly-home: so you recommend reboot, see if it comes up and if not then replace the HDD? (I would prefer to salvage the data from that HDD) |
| 18:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | patrick-1, ls -l /var/lib/amavis/amavis and mkdir /var/lib/amavis/amavis |
| 18:46.51 | itchi_ | jelly-home: .dump from don't help to :-( |
| 18:46.57 | subsume | Through what means does NIS update /etc/passwd files on client machines? |
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| 18:47.33 | Bac9 | subsume: it doesn't, you just make the system check NIS before checking the files |
| 18:47.35 | itchi_ | subsume: no. You need to add +::(and more) to these and other files |
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| 18:47.44 | patrick-1 | CutMeOwnThroat: cant create ,,/var/lib/amavis/amavis" too many links |
| 18:47.51 | jelly-home | Bac9: reboot, and dd_rescue whatever you can to a working disk |
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| 18:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, it doesn't... the point of NIS is not to have the data on client machines |
| 18:48.21 | Bac9 | subsume: see /etc/nsswitch.conf and man it |
| 18:48.28 | subsume | itchi_ (the killer): so I would expect to find that pattern in files? |
| 18:48.57 | subsume | CutMeOwnThroat: well all my client machines were somehow updated with all new users and I'm not really sure how. |
| 18:48.57 | Bac9 | jelly-home: ok, thank you |
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| 18:49.27 | itchi_ | subsume: You need to add there +:::::: and +:::::::: to the /etc/shadow and +::: /etc/group and /etc/gshadow |
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| 18:49.45 | subsume | itchi_: server or client sir? |
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| 18:49.54 | itchi_ | subsume: Client side. But take the manual :-p That's a crytical thingy |
| 18:50.22 | itchi_ | subsume: /etc/nsswitch.conf needs to be updated too. |
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| 18:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yeah... NIS... Network Insecurity System |
| 18:51.20 | subsume | Can anyone gander as to what point the clients would be setup? on reboot? |
| 18:51.23 | Eulex_ | !nfs |
| 18:51.23 | dpkg | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 18:51.52 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Anyway, sqlite3 just hangs at all, issueing sqlite3 seems to work but once trying to do anythings, it just hangs |
| 18:52.04 | patrick-1 | CutMeOwnThroat: |
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| 18:52.08 | patrick-1 | any ideas? |
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| 18:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, it's an empty string |
| 18:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or my nick |
| 18:52.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 18:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Eulex_, wrong one... nis, not nfs |
| 18:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nis |
| 18:54.43 | dpkg | i heard nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 18:55.04 | Eulex_ | it just reminded me of that factoid |
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| 18:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually think NIS is quite a lot worse than NFS :)... |
| 18:56.06 | Eulex_ | I never had to use any of them. I guess I'm lucky. |
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| 18:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're both useful.... nfs even more so |
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| 18:58.12 | subsume | I'm just confused because I'm not sure when the client machines update their user lists. |
| 18:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | having 20 identical machines without shared homedirectories would be quite a mess for the users |
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| 18:58.21 | tribalero | hi all |
| 18:58.29 | subsume | I restarted and restarted them and somehow this week they have updated passwd |
| 18:58.33 | tribalero | can anybody help me with this |
| 18:58.40 | tribalero | http://www.knackery.net/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=99 |
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| 18:59.04 | tribalero | i try to update but this return an error |
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| 18:59.33 | simonrvn | itchi_: v. strange |
| 18:59.40 | cedeel | Hi, I am trying to be able to mount my ntfs partition as a regular user. I've added the uid and gid in fstab but I keep getting an error about the device |
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| 18:59.48 | cedeel | Error opening partition device: Permission denied |
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| 18:59.52 | Cyorxamp | Hi, I'm looking for any Debian-based distribution that unlike Ubuntu is simply Debian (stable or otherwise) with extra packages and/or customizations and continues to use official Debian repositories (DreamLinux is like this). Can anyone name some? |
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| 19:00.10 | eifzon | Why do I get this error when I login to my chroot? Could not chdir to home directory /var/chroot/user/shellusr1: No such file or directory |
| 19:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, I think changes are propagated "directly", but take a few minutes to make it... that might explain it? |
| 19:00.12 | itchi_ | simonrvn: Same problem with "sqlite" |
| 19:00.40 | subsume | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe. Meh. I set up LDAP on top of all this. What a mess. |
| 19:01.35 | subsume | and yet some clients don't update at all even with an identical nssswitch.conf |
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| 19:03.26 | subsume | what an annoying nightmare. |
| 19:03.28 | subsume | =) |
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| 19:03.58 | jelly-home | Cyorxamp: what would be the purpose to your query? |
| 19:04.21 | Cyorxamp | Well if there are others like DreamLinux I'd like to look at them and try them out |
| 19:04.22 | SparFux | What is the name of the package that will make apt-get check sigs of .deb files downloaded and warn in case key isn't threre or sig is wrong? |
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| 19:04.33 | SparFux | I don't get any warnings with dpkg-sig. |
| 19:04.37 | valdyn | eifzon: because that directory doesnt exist in the chroot ? |
| 19:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always wondered if one couldn't instead either nfs mount /etc or symlink /etc/password && /etc/shadow to a mounted drive... |
| 19:04.54 | eifzon | It is in /var/chroot/user/ ? |
| 19:05.13 | cedeel | Does anybody know? |
| 19:05.13 | SparFux | oh, it GETS checked. Sorry. |
| 19:05.16 | beoba | does anyone know of a way to perform remote keypresses within X? in other words, something along the lines of a utility where you log in over ssh, then the keypresses you enter into the ssh-ed application are carried over to whatever you're doing in X? |
| 19:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be a bit bad that not even root can log in if the mount failed :) |
| 19:05.25 | valdyn | eifzon: you tell me |
| 19:05.31 | beoba | (i guess it could be described as remote-control-over-network) |
| 19:05.37 | eifzon | valdyn: There is a folder called that |
| 19:06.14 | valdyn | eifzon: where is that directory? |
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| 19:06.32 | valdyn | eifzon: 1) where is it from inside the chroot 2) where is it from outside |
| 19:07.01 | eifzon | the directory is in /var/chroot/user/ . |
| 19:07.03 | eifzon | http://pastebin.ca/924812 |
| 19:07.07 | eifzon | it looks like that when I connect |
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| 19:07.27 | eifzon | But I still come to the chroot |
| 19:07.29 | eifzon | soo |
| 19:07.56 | cedeel | Please, I am just trying to mount ntfs-3g as a user. I must be doing something simple wrong |
| 19:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell beoba about nx |
| 19:08.04 | valdyn | eifzon: which part of my 2 questions is so hard to understand? |
| 19:08.40 | eifzon | valdyn: where the directory is? |
| 19:08.47 | subsume | CutMeOwnThroat: Do you suppose its possible that when I installed LDAP, whatever means NIS used to propagate server users to clients began to work via LDAP? |
| 19:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba, there are also all kinds of X proxies |
| 19:09.09 | valdyn | eifzone: 20:06 < valdyn> eifzon: 1) where is it from inside the chroot 2) where is it from outsid |
| 19:09.23 | eifzon | how do you mean |
| 19:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, I never had any contact with LDAP. |
| 19:09.39 | subsume | hmpf. |
| 19:09.52 | beoba | nomachine doesnt look like quite the same thing, im thinking more along the line of "server machine is running applications in an active x session, and client machine is sending keystrokes to those applications over a network connection" |
| 19:10.12 | beoba | client machine doesnt have a local view of what's happening on the server machine, it just sends keystrokes |
| 19:10.45 | valdyn | eifzon: login, ignore the error, do a ls /var/chroot/user/shellusr1 |
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| 19:11.02 | eifzon | valdyn: bin dev etc jailscript.py lib proc sbin |
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| 19:11.20 | jelly-home | beoba: both "having a view" and "sending keystrokes" requires access to the X server socket |
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| 19:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, but you have that as the same user... |
| 19:12.12 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: so? |
| 19:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | else stuff like xwd/xwud could not work |
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| 19:13.06 | ALVAN | how to remove with dpkg with no dependency check ? |
| 19:13.17 | kerplunk | hey, someone to help me with my b43 wifi card ? |
| 19:13.30 | beoba | to put some background on what im doin: apparently mythtv spawns an instance of mplayer to play videos that arent shows, and the in-mythtv remote network stuff doesnt support sending commands to said instance of mplayer |
| 19:13.32 | jelly-home | beoba: so you just need to find an app that does the keystroke thing, and set DISPLAY to the correct X server |
| 19:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I more wonder - if you don't have a view of the desktop - how in hell should whatever miracle program that is know which window to send the keystrokes to (and into which field if it's something like firefox) |
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| 19:14.21 | Eulex_ | ALVAN, you could use one of the --force-foo command line arguments, but in 99.99% of cases you do not want to do that |
| 19:14.29 | vjsp | why there are two logrotation programs in use by default ? (sysklogd and logrotate) |
| 19:14.39 | ALVAN | Eulex_, i am sure i want to do this |
| 19:14.59 | beoba | im just wondering if such a wonder program exists :D |
| 19:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba, write one :) |
| 19:15.53 | beoba | i dont know anything of x sockets/internals |
| 19:15.59 | ALVAN | Eulex_, thanks it worked |
| 19:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I would wager something like 50 cent on that he'll find out he didn't want to do that :) |
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| 19:16.59 | cedeel | ?? |
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| 19:17.12 | jelly-home | beoba: or you could just use x11vnc, vnc to that machine and click, I mean type, away |
| 19:17.16 | SparFux | I want to use module-assistant to compile misdn-kernel. But it doesn't find the sources! I have a source entry in sources.list. What can I do? |
| 19:17.22 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Working on a in-memory db it works fine :-s |
| 19:17.26 | beoba | in this case, the machine would be playing a video |
| 19:17.34 | beoba | so logging in over vnc would be pretty strenuous |
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| 19:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba, what are you trying to do |
| 19:18.22 | Eulex_ | ALVAN, yw |
| 19:18.25 | beoba | said earlier: to put some background on what im doin: apparently mythtv spawns an instance of mplayer to play videos that arent shows, and the in-mythtv remote network stuff doesnt support sending commands to said instance of mplayer |
| 19:18.25 | jelly-home | itchi_: can't help with sqlite, just commented there was a similar symptom in another embedded database |
| 19:18.45 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Wait, it seems to be have problems with nfs |
| 19:19.01 | itchi_ | jelly-home: my home is on nfs. Working on /tmp/ just goes fine :-( |
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| 19:19.28 | jelly-home | itchi_: have you read sqlite docs? does it even support nfs? |
| 19:19.33 | beoba | so if i am remotely controlling mythtv over the network, as soon as i start a video i no longer have control until the video finishes or otherwise closes |
| 19:19.52 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Yeah, i work since long time on nfs with it, never got any issue till now |
| 19:20.09 | beoba | im now looking around for a way to talk to the mplayer process directly rather than try and hook into X |
| 19:20.19 | beoba | (since it sounds like the X thing isnt available) |
| 19:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | kill mplayer :) |
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| 19:20.59 | beoba | common commands would be ff/rew |
| 19:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or make mythtv run mplayer within screen.... |
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| 19:21.17 | jelly-home | or report a bug to mythtv people |
| 19:21.26 | itchi_ | jelly-home: It have even work on that problematic box some days back |
| 19:21.34 | minus198 | Is it possble to set a CBand bandwidth limit on all viritualhosts? Or do I have to edit all the different viritualhosts? |
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| 19:21.55 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Do you know a nice sqlite to mysql trick? :-) |
| 19:21.59 | beoba | mythtv doesnt have control over mplayer, and mythtv is designed to allow the use of any arbitrary player |
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| 19:22.28 | jelly-home | itchi_: do you have more than one thread/process using the same db? |
| 19:22.45 | SparFux | Is there misdn-kernel-source for AMD64? |
| 19:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba, write a wrapper around mplayer that listens on a port for keystrokes |
| 19:23.14 | itchi_ | jelly-home: not yet, work if more as one anyway. I will setup a home-nfs testbox. I suspect nfs troubles on etch :-s |
| 19:23.15 | beoba | sounds like mplayer has a facility for remote control from console: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/slave.txt |
| 19:23.24 | beoba | so i may just try using that |
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| 19:23.50 | Cyorxamp | If I was to simply use Debian XFCE Etch like I do on my servers... is there something that can record what I have 'done' to it so I can re-automate what customizations I've made the next time I install it ? |
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| 19:24.12 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 19:24.12 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 19:24.29 | itchi_ | Cyorxamp: debian preseed?? |
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| 19:24.34 | Cyorxamp | I know that part of it - done that before |
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| 19:24.43 | Cyorxamp | I'm on about more than just what packages, configurations atoo |
| 19:24.43 | eifzon | fiex the error valdyn :) |
| 19:24.46 | eifzon | fixed* |
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| 19:24.54 | eifzon | valdyn: I did change in the passwd file |
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| 19:25.15 | valdyn | eifzon: you put the correct directory there? |
| 19:25.29 | eifzon | valdyn: I did put / |
| 19:25.30 | eifzon | and it worked :) |
| 19:25.37 | eifzon | without and errors |
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| 19:26.00 | jelly-home | Cyorxamp: using something like etckeeper to keep track of changes? |
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| 19:26.49 | eifzon | How do I install like irssi to my chroot? the fastest way |
| 19:26.59 | DASPRiD | is there a deb for openssh > 4.5 (etch) ? |
| 19:27.05 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: configuration is in /etc, you can track changes with diff or manually |
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| 19:27.35 | Cyorxamp | its more than that tho, what if you've installed something without using apt |
| 19:27.49 | tictac | is there anyway i can do a diff of two different directories, telling me which files are different? |
| 19:27.52 | Cyorxamp | essentially making your own distribution of debian... but an easy way |
| 19:28.01 | valdyn | tictac: sure |
| 19:28.07 | rbahaguej1 | @dexterF: isn't the deb installer working already? |
| 19:28.13 | Cyorxamp | one that still uses debian repositories like DreamLinux does |
| 19:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | tictac, "diff dir1/ dir2/"? |
| 19:28.26 | itchi_ | Cyorxamp: I made a custom deb with my custom configs |
| 19:28.29 | tictac | hmm. |
| 19:28.34 | DexterF | rbahaguej1: uh.. the.. what? |
| 19:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | tictac, sometimes I wonder if people ever try to find a solution at all before asking :) |
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| 19:29.01 | tictac | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry. :-\ |
| 19:29.05 | valdyn | tictac: or cmp for binaries |
| 19:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | tictac, np, just wondering |
| 19:29.16 | itchi_ | Cyorxamp: That custom deb have also some depends, so that my lovely apps are installed at the same time |
| 19:29.18 | rbahaguej1 | DexterF: sorry i was replying on your truecrypt query. :-) |
| 19:29.22 | S4nD3r | I have USB Scanner, but xsane do not find it... what to do ? |
| 19:29.32 | DexterF | rbahaguej1: oh :) what installer? |
| 19:29.38 | jelly-home | DASPRiD: you could probably do a backport of 4.7 from testing or unstable, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:29.43 | kerplunk | guys, do you know why i have "ERROR: "__ucmpdi2" [fs/ufs/ufs.ko] undefined!" at the end of my kernel compil ? |
| 19:29.47 | tictac | CutMeOwnThroat: normally i do, but i didnt know diff worked like that. i figured there was some sort of script that i might need. |
| 19:29.47 | S4nD3r | lsusb: Bus 003 Device 010: ID 03f0:5611 Hewlett-Packard PhotoSmart C3180 |
| 19:29.53 | cahoot | S4nD3r: member of scanner group? |
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| 19:30.02 | valdyn | kerplunk: which unstable kernel is that? |
| 19:30.03 | rbahaguej1 | in the truecrypt site. there is already a deb package. it worked for me already... |
| 19:30.11 | eifzon | How do I install like irssi to my chroot? Can anyone help me? |
| 19:30.14 | Cyorxamp | !debian cdd |
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| 19:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | tictac, you'll need the -q option though, else you get diffs for every texfile |
| 19:30.31 | kerplunk | valdyn : 2.6.24.3 |
| 19:30.39 | tictac | CutMeOwnThroat: ive noticed :) |
| 19:31.03 | S4nD3r | cahoot: I will check |
| 19:31.36 | valdyn | kerplunk: did you patch this yourself? |
| 19:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | tictac, thought you would :) |
| 19:31.47 | valdyn | kerplunk: or did you download the whole tree tarball? |
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| 19:32.02 | valdyn | kerplunk: i cant see this bug reported, hence it probably is just your broken source tree |
| 19:32.08 | kerplunk | yes i downloaded the whole tgz |
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| 19:32.35 | S4nD3r | Ummm... I put user in group, by group file |
| 19:32.46 | kerplunk | valdyn : but i cross compiled it with ELDK |
| 19:33.31 | DexterF | rbahaguej1: you mean the debian tc installer on SF? saw that, but I think it only supports 4.2 till now |
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| 19:33.32 | DASPRiD | jelly-home, seems to work, thanks |
| 19:33.32 | cahoot | S4nD3r: run 'id' and make sure your user effectively is in scanner group - else logout/login |
| 19:33.32 | vjsp | why are there two programs for log rotation ? (sysklogd and logrotate) |
| 19:33.33 | valdyn | kerplunk: http://linuxfr.org/forums/9/24194.html <- thats you ? |
| 19:33.46 | S4nD3r | ok then |
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| 19:34.16 | kerplunk | valdyn : yep |
| 19:34.36 | valdyn | kerplunk: what is eldk? |
| 19:34.40 | jelly-home | DASPRiD: you probably ought to subscribe to debian security announcements to catch newer versions in case of security problems |
| 19:35.34 | DASPRiD | jelly-home, yup, thanks :)@ |
| 19:35.43 | kerplunk | a tool for cross compiling, it install gcc and other compiling tools for the target you want |
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| 19:36.04 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Well, on another stable box: home over nfs no problems :-( bah |
| 19:36.10 | vjsp | ? |
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| 19:36.21 | eifzon | Anyone can help me to fix so irssi works in my chroot? |
| 19:36.27 | DASPRiD | jelly-home, i just needed the upgrade cause of "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server -l INFO" ;) |
| 19:36.29 | rbahaguej1 | DexterF: oh. sorry. |
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| 19:37.01 | valdyn | kerplunk: this is probably an eldk specific issue, as this error isnt reported by anyone else on the lkml |
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| 19:37.09 | valdyn | kerplunk: i cant fix it , i dont know eldk |
| 19:37.36 | S4nD3r | Theres no user in scanner group |
| 19:37.37 | jelly-home | DASPRiD: what does that do? |
| 19:37.45 | S4nD3r | I put in group file, but this not accepted |
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| 19:37.54 | DASPRiD | jelly-home, through this you can log what your scp-only users are doing |
| 19:37.57 | kerplunk | valdyn: ok thx |
| 19:37.59 | vjsp | anyone knows ? |
| 19:38.53 | DASPRiD | jelly-home, for more details, see here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4021348.html |
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| 19:39.24 | itchi_ | jelly-home: The only box where it should work, it don't :-) |
| 19:40.06 | jelly-home | DASPRiD: thanks |
| 19:40.12 | itchi_ | jelly-home: Or i may have a glitch with the firewall, will test now. brb |
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| 19:42.42 | S4nD3r | which package to install to manage users in gnome ?? |
| 19:43.26 | nepbabu | joeey, joeey_ joeey___ joeey____ hey! |
| 19:44.10 | eifzon | Anyone can help me to fix so irssi works in my chroot? |
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| 19:44.45 | S4nD3r | i need to give permission to device... where is it ?? |
| 19:44.58 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 19:44.58 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 19:45.12 | angryGhost | S4nD3R which device? what do you want to do? |
| 19:45.23 | S4nD3r | I want to use my USB scanner |
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| 19:45.26 | ktwilight__ | what's the syntax in aptitude/dpkg/apt-get to show what a package will install and to which path? |
| 19:45.30 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 19:45.55 | Blackhold | someone would like to make a talk this summer in north spain in a tech event? |
| 19:46.02 | angryGhost | S4nD3r did you install sane? and is it supported by it? |
| 19:46.11 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.16 | S4nD3r | Its supports !! |
| 19:46.42 | wols_ | !sane |
| 19:46.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, sane is Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net |
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| 19:50.36 | S4nD3r | using sane to find, Its found |
| 19:50.41 | S4nD3r | what to do now ? |
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| 19:51.28 | vjsp | whats the difference between log rotating with 'logrotate' and doing it with 'sysklogd' ? why debian uses both at the same time? |
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| 19:54.20 | itchi | jelly-home: I found the problem. It's a firewall issue |
| 19:54.26 | S4nD3r | ls -l /proc/bus/usb/ |
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| 19:54.26 | S4nD3r | drwxrwxrwx 2 root 0 0 2008-03-01 10:26 001 |
| 19:54.30 | S4nD3r | Is it correct ? |
| 19:54.38 | S4nD3r | drwxrwxrwx 2 root 0 0 2008-03-01 10:26 002 |
| 19:54.41 | netdaemon | hi, i was just wondering how safe it is to resize non-lvm partitions |
| 19:54.43 | S4nD3r | drwxrwxrwx 2 root 0 0 2008-03-01 10:26 003 |
| 19:55.19 | itchi | netdaemon: Just make backups in any case's |
| 19:55.33 | netdaemon | yeah, probably a good idea |
| 19:55.34 | abrotman | netdaemon: depends on the partition type obviously |
| 19:56.00 | netdaemon | well in this case, it'd be / and /home, / being primary, /home being logical |
| 19:56.15 | abrotman | type .. not mountpoint |
| 19:56.34 | S4nD3r | I changed it to drwxrwxrwx 2 root scanner 0 2008-03-01 10:26 001 |
| 19:56.41 | netdaemon | ext3? |
| 19:56.50 | itchi | netdaemon: Well, you should know :-p |
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| 19:57.06 | netdaemon | lol, i was wondering if that was what you where asking |
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| 19:57.17 | netdaemon | they are ext3 filesystems though |
| 19:57.30 | cook63 | Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime! |
| 19:57.35 | itchi | netdaemon: ext3 should be no problem, but for sure, take the tapes :-p |
| 19:57.36 | cook63 | !list |
| 19:57.36 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to cook63 |
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| 19:57.42 | S4nD3r | which are group with ID 0 ??? |
| 19:57.45 | itchi | cook63: Bonsoir |
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| 19:58.02 | netdaemon | i'v just started to split my OS and data, so i'm kind of paranoid if i'll have plenty of space on / or not, thats why i'm asking |
| 19:58.08 | netdaemon | i'm allocating 8 gigs to it |
| 19:58.17 | Eulex_ | S4nD3r, less /etc/group |
| 19:58.56 | S4nD3r | I think I did something wrong |
| 19:59.03 | S4nD3r | thereis no Id group 0 |
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| 19:59.14 | pred2k3 | hi, whats faster etch or debian? |
| 19:59.22 | S4nD3r | Would be that root:x:0:root ? |
| 19:59.49 | netdaemon | pred2k3: i'd assume they are the same speed, givin that its debian etch |
| 19:59.52 | Eulex_ | S4nD3r, yes. |
| 19:59.59 | S4nD3r | ok... |
| 20:00.07 | Eulex_ | pred2k3, eh, etch is a release of debian |
| 20:00.14 | pred2k3 | sarge too |
| 20:00.17 | S4nD3r | USB device must have this group ??? drwxrwxrwx 2 root scanner 0 2008-03-01 10:26 001 |
| 20:00.37 | itchi | pred2k3: You first talk about a release (ake etch) and then about a whole distribution (debian) |
| 20:00.45 | pred2k3 | hm |
| 20:00.49 | pred2k3 | 3.1 = sarge? |
| 20:00.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:00.53 | itchi | pred2k3: yup |
| 20:00.53 | pred2k3 | 4.0 = etch? |
| 20:00.58 | abrotman | !release history |
| 20:00.58 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 20:00.59 | itchi | yup |
| 20:01.08 | pred2k3 | and now where ist he problem? |
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| 20:01.19 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 20:01.19 | vjsp | lol |
| 20:01.34 | pred2k3 | ah rofl false question |
| 20:01.39 | pred2k3 | it should mean: etch or arge |
| 20:01.42 | pred2k3 | sarge |
| 20:01.45 | pred2k3 | sorry |
| 20:01.53 | Eulex_ | pred2k3, I'd expect sarge to be slightly faster than etch, but security support for sarge runs out in a month so... don't install it, you'd have to upgrade to etch almost immediately anywway :) |
| 20:02.01 | pred2k3 | ok |
| 20:02.03 | pred2k3 | thanks |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | pred2k3: the packages released in the two are almost two years apart .. some are faster .. some slower |
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| 20:02.20 | S4nD3r | sane-find-scanner -v = found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [HP], product=0x5611 [Photosmart C3100 series]) at libusb:003:010 found USB scanner (vendor=0x041e, product=0x403a) at libusb:002:002 |
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| 20:04.01 | lindenle | Is there support in debian for my Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG yet? |
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| 20:04.18 | wols_ | !ipw4965 |
| 20:04.18 | dpkg | somebody said iwlwifi was the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
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| 20:04.33 | S4nD3r | who must be the owner of /prov/bus/usb.... ??? |
| 20:04.39 | S4nD3r | which group ?? |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | think that depends on the .... part |
| 20:05.13 | Eulex_ | S4nD3r, /proc is a kernel interface. I do not expect that you can change permissions on it. |
| 20:05.28 | abrotman | S4nD3r: probably is root:root for all of it though |
| 20:05.41 | Eulex_ | lindenle, the above means that if you want to run etch (and not lenny or sid) you'll need to get a newer kernel |
| 20:05.48 | maligor | Eulex_, bus/usb is only sort of part of proc |
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| 20:05.53 | Eulex_ | oh |
| 20:06.05 | maligor | it's a mounted usbfs |
| 20:06.36 | S4nD3r | This tutorial talks about change permissions http://www.sane-project.org/README.linux |
| 20:07.36 | maligor | yeah, for user usb access I would guess |
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| 20:08.32 | jelly-home | isn't that stuff mounted in /dev/bus/usb nowadays? |
| 20:10.02 | S4nD3r | yes, it is |
| 20:10.13 | S4nD3r | now i discovered it |
| 20:11.06 | itchi | !ipw3945 |
| 20:11.06 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 20:11.17 | itchi | There's somethings not right in one of these two factoids |
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| 20:11.45 | itchi | about the kernel version, or did i understand it bad? |
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| 20:21.42 | vjsp | which program generates auth.log ? |
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| 20:22.23 | vanksi | vjsp, sshd |
| 20:22.34 | vanksi | mostly |
| 20:22.59 | sylar_m | hi folks, I'm stuck in totem-gstreamer on videos. I think I need codec package, so I use mplayer binary codec package but the problem still continue. Does anybody have a suggestion? |
| 20:23.42 | vjsp | vanksi: i dont even have sshd |
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| 20:24.19 | abrotman | sylar_m: stuck? |
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| 20:35.16 | Greek-Boy | my apache2 installation does not parse php files. the browser attempts to download them. I have PHP5 installed. |
| 20:35.41 | garotosopa | Hi. The installation screen is stalled at "Installing software" and syslog asks something like Type Yes to continue or No to abort, although it isn't displayed as a installation dialog. Can I send Yes to aptitude or I'll have to kill it? |
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| 20:36.04 | zinx | Greek-Boy: did you install the apache2 module for php5, or otherwise set up apache2 to actually execute php5 scripts? |
| 20:36.04 | macksss | how can i figure out what version of debian i am running? |
| 20:36.16 | macksss | i know i am running etch but not sure the version number |
| 20:36.23 | eifzon | I get this error when I try starting irssi in my chroot, I have /etc/passwd and /etc/groups in my chroot to, here is the error code: http://pastebin.ca/924903 |
| 20:36.24 | garotosopa | Greek-Boy, try to a2enmod php5 and then restart apache |
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| 20:37.08 | abrotman | macksss: 4.0 |
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| 20:37.35 | macksss | abrotman: thank you |
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| 20:40.17 | Eccorusz | hi |
| 20:40.47 | Eccorusz | is it possible to install and boot debian from usb hard drive ? |
| 20:41.17 | macksss | not on a mac |
| 20:41.31 | macksss | but that goes for any distro/usb drive |
| 20:41.54 | abrotman | Eccorusz: yes |
| 20:41.56 | Eulex_ | Eccorusz, sure, if your computer can boot from one, and the debian installer recognizes the drive |
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| 20:43.00 | Eccorusz | my computer able to boot usb |
| 20:43.10 | Eccorusz | but i test ubuntu |
| 20:43.15 | Eccorusz | but not working |
| 20:43.35 | abrotman | so ask #ubuntu |
| 20:43.44 | Eccorusz | when i try to boot from usb hard drive it display boot error |
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| 20:43.59 | abrotman | Eccorusz: if you're working with ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 20:44.01 | Eccorusz | so now i want try debian |
| 20:44.11 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 20:44.11 | dpkg | methinks usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 20:44.41 | holst | cool |
| 20:44.58 | holst | "is possible" = "is supported"? |
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| 20:45.19 | abrotman | depends what you mean by "supported" :) |
| 20:45.22 | holst | i know that ubuntu had to be hacked to work from usb |
| 20:45.39 | holst | something with the livecd file format (unionfs?) |
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| 20:46.24 | eifzon | I get this error when I try starting irssi in my chroot, I have /etc/passwd and /etc/groups in my chroot to, here is the error code: http://pastebin.ca/924903 |
| 20:46.31 | holst | the word "support" has a bad reputation in the world of FOSS :) |
| 20:46.42 | holst | commit to nothing |
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| 20:47.05 | Eulex_ | holst, there is no official debian live cd (yet) |
| 20:47.26 | holst | knoppix is good enough for me |
| 20:47.34 | jaggz- | gimmie some lovin |
| 20:47.57 | garotosopa | eifzon, is there a 1002 user in your chrooted /etc/passwd ? |
| 20:48.17 | eifzon | garotosopa: yes |
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| 20:48.35 | eifzon | garotosopa: exactly same name as in /etc/passwd- |
| 20:48.37 | eifzon | * |
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| 20:50.06 | eifzon | garotosopa: you have any idea what can be wrong? |
| 20:50.27 | jaggz- | new install reboots over and over |
| 20:50.56 | garotosopa | eifzon, not really. actually I'm not sure if it fails because of the user, the charset or something else. |
| 20:51.05 | eifzon | how can I get charset working |
| 20:52.51 | jaggz- | before seeing grub. tried lilo too -- same thing |
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| 20:53.07 | ServerSide | is there any code blocks package for debian? from apt? |
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| 20:53.54 | edistar | how can I look up the version number of a lib, specifically libmpd? |
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| 20:55.37 | joltcan | edistar: ls -la /usr/lib/libmpd* |
| 20:55.46 | edistar | joltcan: thx |
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| 20:56.48 | joltcan | edistar: you can also do ldd /path/to/binary and see which one it is compiled against |
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| 20:57.36 | edistar | joltcan: it tells me that its libmpd.0.0.0, a little strange? |
| 20:57.48 | jaggz- | ldd {binary} |
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| 20:58.48 | jaggz- | shows versions |
| 20:59.01 | joltcan | edistar: Never seen it empty like that |
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| 20:59.39 | jaggz- | My new install reboots over and over. before seeing grub. I tried lilo too -- same thing |
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| 21:01.20 | jaggz- | it's sda and sdb, on a raid-1 |
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| 21:03.50 | vvd | hello, is it possible to mount two sources to my /home ? problem is, im using many distributions and want to use dot-files seperately but my data like music and stuff globally. |
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| 21:05.17 | ricardo | hi I want to post to debian help.org but I cant recall my username and password. I try to get a new passwrod sent out but their webpage says "Cookies should be enabled in your browser for CAPTCHA validation." but I have cookies enabled. how do I contact them? |
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| 21:08.42 | Kiirani | Is the cupsys package not supposed to provide an init script? I just apt-got it and it hasn't created one. |
| 21:08.55 | Kiirani | Oh, right. Running lenny. |
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| 21:09.56 | o3po | A win emulator? (without needing to install it, just to test some .exe's) |
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| 21:10.56 | Kiirani | o3po - I don't think there's any such thing, although wine runs a lot of windows programs, you'll definitely either need to apt-get it or compile it |
| 21:11.23 | o3po | Kiirani: Yes, i have a /etc/init.d/cupsys file |
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| 21:11.43 | Kiirani | o3po - it's nice to have wine around anyway... Ooh, wait. You're meaning not having to install *windows*. Shows how long it's been since I've considered such a thing :P |
| 21:12.16 | Kiirani | Curses. o3po, did you install any other packages than cupsys? I might have to try reinstalling it :/ |
| 21:12.23 | o3po | Kiirani: Yes, it is was i am asking about, just i forget all names quickly ;) |
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| 21:12.31 | Roconda | hey, I have a debian gateway installed with dhcpd, squid, named and such. I think there is an dhcpd bug because sometimes clients' internet pops out. You can't restore the connection except by rebooting the client. Anyone know how to fix ? |
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| 21:12.54 | Kiirani | o3po - it doesn't help that searching "windows emulator" probably won't bring up "wine is NOT an emulator" :P |
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| 21:13.23 | ignotus | hi, how can I convert .bin file to .iso? |
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| 21:13.37 | o3po | Kiirani: Yes, i did that search indeed |
| 21:13.40 | valdyn | ignotus: a bchunk |
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| 21:13.47 | Kiirani | Ah crap, cupsys isn't actually installed. |
| 21:13.48 | ignotus | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:14.07 | ignotus | superb |
| 21:14.14 | yigal | has anyone ever had two copies of everything on the home directory when using BASH ls? |
| 21:14.16 | valdyn | ignotus: but you cant really convert it, generally speaking |
| 21:14.17 | Kiirani | I really wish apt-get was colour coded. |
| 21:14.21 | yigal | I know this sounds insane |
| 21:14.41 | yigal | but when I woke up this morning pressed $ls , I had 2 copies of everything in ~ |
| 21:14.47 | Python1320 | :\ |
| 21:15.09 | valdyn | ignotus: and you dont need to convert it really |
| 21:15.12 | yigal | I moved a folder ~/Software to ~/Software2 and rebooted, now it doesn't exist |
| 21:15.20 | ignotus | valdyn: I understand, I just need the content |
| 21:15.23 | Python1320 | lol yigal |
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| 21:15.31 | yigal | I'm restoring now, but I don't know what I have |
| 21:15.43 | valdyn | ignotus: .bin files loopback mount just the same |
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| 21:15.52 | yigal | so I'm a bit worried that it will just happen again |
| 21:16.07 | yigal | Python1320: ya, I know I thought it was april fools a month too early |
| 21:16.18 | ignotus | valdyn: ah, I did not know that, thanks:) |
| 21:16.20 | Kiirani | Hahahaha. That's hilarious |
| 21:16.36 | Kiirani | yigal - Are you sure you didn't do something funny with mv? |
| 21:16.43 | Kiirani | Are the doubles all the same name? |
| 21:16.48 | valdyn | ignotus: ( if theres really an iso image inside, that's not a necessity |
| 21:16.57 | yigal | Kiirani: absolutely, just mv ~/Software ~/Software2 |
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| 21:17.07 | Kiirani | yigal - can you pastebin your ls output ? |
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| 21:17.48 | Kiirani | yigal - have you tried booting to a livecd and listing the directory from there? That would confirm if it's actually doubled entries in the filesystem, or if ls hates you |
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| 21:18.00 | yigal | Kiirani: yes, but after I rebooted everything is gone, except ... Software2 exists but isn't a file but it isn't a symlink? |
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| 21:18.08 | Kiirani | Whoa. |
| 21:18.11 | yigal | Kiirani: everything that I moved is gone |
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| 21:18.18 | Kiirani | yigal - have you run fsck?? |
| 21:18.22 | valdyn | yigal: checked dmesg yet? |
| 21:18.37 | Lunar_Lamp | I have installed libapache2-mod-perl2 but "a2enmod perl" tells me that the module does not exist. What's going on? |
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| 21:18.37 | anxt | wondering how to stop svscanboot when it is spawned in /etc/initab. the processes it is monitoring is getting in the way of shutdown/reboot, taking several minutes. |
| 21:18.55 | yigal | Kiirani: yes, there was a lot of EXT3-fs error (device dm-6): ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #2: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=0, inode=892484149, rec_len=14638, name_len=54 |
| 21:19.04 | yigal | but does this mean my hd is broken :( |
| 21:19.07 | valdyn | yigal: you badly need to run fsck |
| 21:19.18 | Kiirani | yigal - it would indicate that your filesystem's corrupted, i think. |
| 21:19.27 | yigal | oh shoot |
| 21:19.47 | yigal | I think I need to remotely move some stuff then and reboot |
| 21:20.17 | Kiirani | yigal - I've never ever ever had this problem, my gentoo box just runs fsck every few reboots, so I guess I'd have to suggest shutting down NOW, getting on a livecd, not touching the fs until you've found out how to recover it (I think fsck will do that but I don't know _how_, like I siad, never used it) |
| 21:20.51 | Kiirani | yigal - also i think your files are probably screwed, and I'd suggest that if you touch anything until it's fixed, they're even more screwed |
| 21:20.51 | yigal | Kiirani: some files are just too important to shutdown NOW but after copying them to a remote host I will |
| 21:20.59 | Kiirani | Mkay. |
| 21:21.03 | Kiirani | up to you I guess |
| 21:21.26 | Kiirani | I'd tell you to listen to me, but I actually don't know much about it :P |
| 21:21.26 | valdyn | yigal: mount -o remount,ro, then copy stuff |
| 21:21.39 | Kiirani | Oh. Yes, that works too. |
| 21:21.43 | Kiirani | See? :D |
| 21:21.44 | yigal | valdyn: ok |
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| 21:22.11 | Kiirani | Yay, I got cupsys |
| 21:22.27 | yigal | valdyn: I was extending my home partition yesterday with lvm could that have done it? |
| 21:22.36 | DexterF | !raid |
| 21:22.37 | dpkg | from memory, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray |
| 21:22.38 | valdyn | yigal: if you did that wrongly |
| 21:22.39 | yigal | owell no speculation |
| 21:22.52 | yigal | valdyn: I don't think I did |
| 21:22.58 | Roconda | !dhcpd |
| 21:23.02 | DexterF | !raid5 |
| 21:23.02 | dpkg | -- I heard raid5 is see raid or http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid -- also see http://www.acnc.com/04_01_05.html and click the various levels (0 ... 50, 0+1) on the page's RAID LEVEL: bar |
| 21:23.07 | Roconda | !dhcp |
| 21:23.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 21:23.07 | yigal | valdyn: but I did a live extension, so things could have gone badly |
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| 21:23.13 | yigal | too many risks |
| 21:23.15 | Roconda | !dhcp server |
| 21:23.28 | valdyn | yigal: live extension isnt particularily risky |
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| 21:23.54 | DexterF | how does debian determine stripe size on raid5 arrays when using the installer? |
| 21:24.02 | yigal | valdyn: ok, well then I don't know, so I'm copying my thesis, cross fingers and then I'm rebooting for fschk |
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| 21:24.10 | igge | how can i remove a package that is damaged? |
| 21:24.21 | valdyn | igge: depends on the actual error |
| 21:24.42 | igge | valdyn: ok.. it says "sh: Can't open /usr/lib/oss/scripts/restore_drv.sh" |
| 21:25.01 | igge | so i guess it means that a script that the uninstall depends on doesn't exist any more |
| 21:25.01 | valdyn | igge: it sais that when you do what? |
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| 21:25.04 | Roconda | hey, I have a debian gateway installed with dhcpd, squid, named and such. I think there is an dhcpd bug because sometimes clients' internet pops out. You can't restore the connection except by rebooting the client. Anyone ? |
| 21:25.23 | igge | it says when I do dpkg --purge oss-linux |
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| 21:25.32 | Superbartt | Roconda define "pops out" |
| 21:25.32 | valdyn | Roconda: why would that be because of a bug in dhcpd? |
| 21:26.00 | valdyn | Roconda: and why the hell would you need to reboot? are you talking about windows clients? |
| 21:26.12 | Roconda | valdyn: no, linux too |
| 21:26.17 | igge | valdyn: i've also tried dpkg --purge --force-all <name> |
| 21:26.22 | igge | same problem.. |
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| 21:26.42 | valdyn | Roconda: paste the actual errors or try to run dhclient <iface> and watch |
| 21:27.03 | Roconda | Superbartt: internet shuts down, only all te poweroff (even Wake on lan off) and only then it will work again |
| 21:27.16 | Superbartt | the internet can't shutdown :p |
| 21:27.25 | Roconda | Superbartt: haha |
| 21:27.26 | Superbartt | what happens.. interfaces down? unable to ping gateway? unable to resolve names? |
| 21:27.32 | Kiirani | yigal - Oh dear, thesis. Ouchh. |
| 21:27.32 | yigal | damn, I installed beagle and it using 6.5G for its database, that's crazy |
| 21:27.41 | wam | When I want rsync to only rely on the checksum, is -c the relevant switch? I'm not sure if I interpret the man-page correctly. |
| 21:27.42 | yigal | Kiirani: It just finished copying |
| 21:27.45 | yigal | Kiirani: :) |
| 21:27.49 | Kiirani | Here's hoping :) |
| 21:27.59 | deadcat | can i burn a .bin .cue file and play it on a dvd player? |
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| 21:28.07 | Superbartt | yes deadcat |
| 21:28.08 | yigal | Kiirani: so single user mode and fsck what options? |
| 21:28.11 | deadcat | Superbartt: tyhanks |
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| 21:28.12 | Kiirani | yigal - I'm about to head to university tomorrow, first day. Intending to keep things like that backed up on a usb flash drive just in case |
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| 21:28.14 | valdyn | yigal: tracker is much nicer on resources, but it sucks too |
| 21:28.19 | Roconda | Superbartt: pingable and such, the server only won't lease new ips to the client |
| 21:28.25 | Kiirani | yigal - damned if i have a clue sorry, this is where i leave, I've not actually used fsck in a long time. |
| 21:28.33 | valdyn | beagle is like unusable |
| 21:28.37 | Kiirani | yigal - I just know it's what you want |
| 21:28.39 | Superbartt | so Roconda the lease time expires and the client is unable to renew it's ip? |
| 21:28.48 | Roconda | Superbartt: yes |
| 21:28.49 | yigal | Kiirani: thanks |
| 21:28.56 | yigal | valdyn: ya, I'm going to remove it |
| 21:28.56 | Kiirani | Haha. Sorry :) |
| 21:29.05 | Superbartt | but except from that the connections works? |
| 21:29.06 | yigal | valdyn: find is better anyway for most things :) |
| 21:29.22 | Roconda | connection doesnt work |
| 21:29.22 | igge | valdyn: any ideas? |
| 21:29.43 | Superbartt | and does it happen on all clients or only on 1 or some? |
| 21:29.55 | yigal | valdyn: what options in single user mode should I try fsck? |
| 21:30.06 | Roconda | it does happen to all clients, but not at the same time |
| 21:30.10 | macksss | wow #apache are jerks |
| 21:30.23 | macksss | </end rant> |
| 21:30.56 | Superbartt | and Roconda are you able to request a new ip trough dhclient eth0 before the lease time has expired? |
| 21:31.10 | Roconda | no |
| 21:31.38 | Superbartt | ok that's kinda weird :p |
| 21:31.47 | Roconda | yeah it is :p |
| 21:31.59 | Superbartt | running a quite default dhcpd config? |
| 21:32.13 | Roconda | yeah, Will past-bin it okay ? |
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| 21:32.19 | Superbartt | ok |
| 21:32.26 | Vorbote | macksss: apache upstream doesn't want to do anything with Debian's homegrown configuration system. It is their prerogrative. If you have problems with Debian's way of configuring apache's httpd, ask here. |
| 21:33.19 | macksss | Vorbote: i've never seen such a large project disgrace themselves as they did to me |
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| 21:33.46 | Vorbote | macksss: Youhav enever been at the Mozilla IRC server, have you? |
| 21:33.46 | macksss | Vorbote: i am not sure it has to do with debian really. My apache2 servers are very slow and i can't figure out why |
| 21:33.47 | Roconda | Superbartt: http://pastebin.ca/924964 |
| 21:33.58 | l0c4lh1st | Hello. I'm trying to install the debian driver for WLAN, RT73 |
| 21:34.02 | l0c4lh1st | But I'm getting this error: http://rafb.net/p/tQSult16.html |
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| 21:34.03 | macksss | Vorbote: thankfully no |
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| 21:34.11 | l0c4lh1st | Does anyone know how to fix it, or what's wrong? |
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| 21:34.19 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 21:34.19 | Superbartt | ok Roconda let me check :) |
| 21:34.24 | Drtux3434 | why do i get your hard may have been improperly shutdown? |
| 21:34.27 | Roconda | okay |
| 21:34.28 | l0c4lh1st | "No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop." doesn't make sense to me. |
| 21:34.32 | macksss | Vorbote: but i can say that everyone have always been reasonably friendly on #debian |
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| 21:35.26 | Vorbote | macksss: it is difficult to say what's affecting your server... I suggest you use strace on the httpd process and run netstat to see if you have too many persistent connections. As well check your logs for possible DoS attacks. |
| 21:35.41 | yigal | valdyn: is, e2fsck -fpC 0 /dev/home - fine for start? |
| 21:36.10 | l0c4lh1st | Can someone help me please? :) |
| 21:36.14 | Vorbote | macksss: And don't be fooled. You can be larted here without warning :-P |
| 21:36.15 | l0c4lh1st | I think it's something very easy... |
| 21:36.23 | l0c4lh1st | and I'm this close to actually getting this driver to work |
| 21:36.24 | Superbartt | hmmfg, isn't the max-lease-time a issue Roconda? |
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| 21:36.58 | yigal | alright I'll do it myself |
| 21:37.00 | Roconda | It could be.. but I am not very into dhcpd Superbartt |
| 21:37.04 | yigal | Kiirani: thanks for the help |
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| 21:37.10 | Superbartt | try commening it out |
| 21:37.23 | l0c4lh1st | Superbartt: :D |
| 21:37.35 | Roconda | okay, I will try |
| 21:37.42 | Roconda | thx for helping me :) |
| 21:37.57 | Superbartt | good luck ^^ |
| 21:37.57 | l0c4lh0st | Superbartt: Help me plz :D |
| 21:38.03 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/tQSult16.html |
| 21:38.18 | Superbartt | otherwise it could be an option using a package like wireshark or tcpdump to check what's going wrong with the dhcp communication Roconda |
| 21:38.33 | macksss | Vorbote: i am aware. I've used #debian for ~5 years |
| 21:38.35 | Roconda | Superbartt: only max-lease-time or default-lease-time too ? |
| 21:38.46 | igge | what can i do if i want to remove a package but the remove scripts have somehow been lost? |
| 21:38.49 | confrey | my wifi doesn't work in debian etch, can anybodt help me to solve this problem? |
| 21:39.02 | Superbartt | no only the max, the default is just to tell the dhcp clients when they need to poll the dhcp server again for a renew |
| 21:39.16 | Superbartt | if i remember correctly |
| 21:39.26 | Roconda | okay! I will try it out! |
| 21:39.42 | l0c4lh0st | cool, I think I just got a Debian BSOD |
| 21:40.03 | Superbartt | you mean a kernel panic? ^^ |
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| 21:41.18 | Drtux3434 | is it better to compile a kernel or use a backported kernel? |
| 21:41.37 | Superbartt | depends on your needs |
| 21:42.22 | igge | what can i do if i want to remove a package but the remove scripts have somehow been lost? |
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| 21:42.43 | confrey | I need this help : my wifi works in ubuntu, but not in etch; here I have an error while loading zd1211rw module, can anybody help me? |
| 21:42.44 | DexterF | igge: "remove scripts"? |
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| 21:42.53 | DexterF | confrey: topic |
| 21:43.04 | DexterF | confrey: sorry, nvm |
| 21:43.06 | sveakex | how can i install ati drivers? :s |
| 21:43.15 | Drtux3434 | my sound card will only work in 2.6.22+ |
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| 21:43.45 | igge | DexterF: prerm and postrm |
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| 21:43.59 | Vorbote | confrey: did you install the firmware? |
| 21:44.03 | igge | DexterF: the ones that dpkg calls |
| 21:44.05 | Kiirani | Anybody else have trouble accessing ftp.us.debian.org? (Which is where apt-get is trying to download things from) |
| 21:44.21 | hon | Is it possible to maintain debian/ directory for a package, (including debian specific patches), and the original upstream repository in the same git package? |
| 21:44.29 | craigevil | Kiirani: it timed out on me a few minutes ago but it is connecting now |
| 21:44.33 | confrey | DexterF: excuse me, I can understand what part of topic you mean |
| 21:44.35 | DexterF | Drtux3434: is there a 22+ in backports? i used some app packages from the backports repositories but no kernel so far. i'd say install one parallel to your working ones and check out your mileage |
| 21:44.37 | Vorbote | Kiirani: flush your dns cache. that address is a round-robin. |
| 21:44.40 | craigevil | Kiirani: crap change that still not connecting |
| 21:44.45 | DexterF | confrey: didn't read to the end, my fault. |
| 21:44.46 | Kiirani | craigevil - right you are, it's pinging ag- damnit. |
| 21:44.59 | craigevil | 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 21:45.07 | Kiirani | Hm, there we go, it's all working now. |
| 21:45.12 | Kiirani | Vorbote - Thanks, I'll remember that for next time. |
| 21:45.48 | DexterF | sveakex: download the installer from ati, extract it and build debs. instructions in ati-blah.run --help |
| 21:45.53 | Roconda | Superbartt: I am now connecting tought the gateway .... I hope it has been fixed |
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| 21:46.27 | t04no | why does debian not set HOSTNAME by default ? |
| 21:46.30 | sveakex | DexterF: ok |
| 21:46.40 | confrey | what does /msg dpkg etch->lenny mean? |
| 21:46.40 | Kiirani | Hmm. Vorbote - is it possible for apt-get to have its own cache? Ping will change ips every time, but apt-get is still fetching from the one that's down |
| 21:46.48 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way of testing iptable rules? I can't access a port of a certain computer but I have no idea why\ |
| 21:46.52 | sveakex | DexterF: is there not a package which i can install which contains the ati drivers? |
| 21:46.56 | Knight_Lord | I know it used to exist for ipchains |
| 21:47.30 | Vorbote | Kiirani: yes, if the executed binary image is still in the cach. |
| 21:47.32 | Vorbote | cache |
| 21:47.36 | DexterF | sveakex: in debian..? only in 3rd-party-repositories, my guess. I seriously doubt they package them |
| 21:47.40 | confrey | sveakex: download dirver form ati site and then compile it, it's not difficult |
| 21:47.41 | Kiirani | Ah. How do I find this out? |
| 21:48.22 | sveakex | DexterF: ok |
| 21:48.46 | Vorbote | Kiirani: I don't remember off-hand. But, there is little trick I use sometimed. Runnung host <name> several times. |
| 21:49.27 | sveakex | confrey: well i am not running debian, my friend is who wants me to get it working for her, that's why i am hoping for simple solutions |
| 21:49.51 | Kiirani | Vorbote - Uh, sorry, running it from where? :D |
| 21:50.02 | Kiirani | I'm a bit new to debian. |
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| 21:50.23 | Kiirani | Vorbote - is it meant to be an option to apt-get? |
| 21:50.32 | Vorbote | Kiirani: Run "host ftp.us.debian.org" several times in a terminal emulation. That sort of flushes the DNS cache |
| 21:50.39 | confrey | sveakex: I'm running etch, and I compiled it from ati driver, it's not difficult |
| 21:50.41 | Knight_Lord | no iptables -C ;( |
| 21:50.47 | SerajewelKS | Vorbote: no it doesn't |
| 21:51.02 | Kiirani | Ah. This could be a problem, first I need to apt-get install host. |
| 21:51.13 | Vorbote | SerajewelKS: that depends of your upstream DNS server. At least with my ISP works |
| 21:51.20 | SerajewelKS | Vorbote: your local cache just expired while you were running host over and over |
| 21:51.54 | SerajewelKS | Vorbote: or your DNS server's cache. either way it requires time to expire; running host repeatedly will not make it expire any faster. |
| 21:52.02 | confrey | excuse me if I'm pressing, but I need to use this wifi in etch, I think the solution is not far, butI can't do it alone |
| 21:52.03 | Kiirani | Looks like the whole system's a big buggy. it's back up now but i"m getting authentication warnings. |
| 21:52.09 | Vorbote | SerajewelKS: that's true up to a point... |
| 21:52.22 | SerajewelKS | Kiirani: use "dig ftp.us.debian.org" and you'll get several ips |
| 21:52.28 | SerajewelKS | Kiirani: put one of them in /etc/hosts |
| 21:52.31 | SerajewelKS | Vorbote: up to what point? |
| 21:52.31 | Vorbote | confrey: did you read when I mentioned installing the firmware? That's in non-free |
| 21:52.43 | Kiirani | SerajewelKS - Oh, that's a good idea! |
| 21:52.51 | charzero | Is there a package that provides partman (from the installer) that will let me set up LVM/software raid on empty disks from an already installed system (etch)? |
| 21:53.12 | sveakex | confrey: well i will try to make her compile it then, pray for me lol |
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| 21:55.11 | Kiirani | What the.. how did it automatically come up with these two printers? |
| 21:55.18 | Drtux3434 | what would happen if i set a resoultuib at 1490x900 in xorg? |
| 21:55.27 | Drtux3434 | if i dont the nvidia driver installed? |
| 21:56.00 | confrey | Vorbote: here from zd1211rw site : Debian users beware: don't use the the zd1211-firmware package, as this is for Debian's fork of the vendor-based driver |
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| 21:57.21 | Drtux3434 | is 8gigs enough for debian? |
| 21:57.27 | defi0n | yes |
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| 21:57.40 | Drtux3434 | hmm i already used 7.2Gbs |
| 21:57.47 | Vorbote | confrey: Then my sugestion is that you grab the firmware from the vendor's site, drop a copy in /lib/firmware and regenerate the initrd with initramfs-update |
| 21:58.00 | Vorbote | The reboot and see what happens... |
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| 21:58.27 | defi0n | lol yeah u need more unless minimal install |
| 21:58.42 | Drtux3434 | id say 256mB of that is to the journal |
| 21:59.00 | defi0n | they make 8gb drives still? jesus |
| 21:59.11 | Drtux3434 | i have an 8GB parition |
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| 21:59.29 | defi0n | ohk |
| 21:59.35 | Drtux3434 | they still make 20GB harddisks still |
| 21:59.44 | Kiirani | Drtux3434 - My debian installl is currently taking 3gigs, but I expect it to take up a lot more as I pile on packages. It's only a few days old |
| 22:00.01 | defi0n | wow |
| 22:00.10 | kreuter | does anybody have advice or pointers to how to write udev rules to get a persistent name under /dev/ for a mouse? |
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| 22:00.36 | Drtux3434 | i can eaisly get 256MB left if convert ext3 down to ext2 |
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| 22:00.53 | hon | Drtux3434: Did you install recently? if not, aptitude clean --purge might free some space for you |
| 22:01.04 | confrey | Vorbote: why reboot? is a usb wifi, I thought the firmware is loaded after inserting it |
| 22:01.16 | Drtux3434 | yeah i did i just have a lot games installed =) |
| 22:01.35 | Vorbote | confrey: Forgot about that... |
| 22:01.57 | hon | my installation is also about 3.1G. It is not a minimal install, though. |
| 22:02.03 | Kiirani | Drtux3434 - Oh, is that your whole install (including home folder)? |
| 22:02.13 | Drtux3434 | yeah |
| 22:02.26 | Kiirani | Drtux3434 - if it is, you're doing really well. My gentoo system is full up, I'm using almost 50 gigs of my /home partition, almost 30 of / |
| 22:02.34 | confrey | Vorbote: excuse, you mean your suggestion is not util? |
| 22:02.42 | Drtux3434 | i have slack on the rest of my harddisk |
| 22:02.57 | Vorbote | It is useful if you plan on booting up with the USB inserted. |
| 22:03.06 | Kiirani | Hey cool :) I've been meaning to try that. Last time I burned the cd it failed though, haven't got around to it |
| 22:03.12 | Drtux3434 | g2g |
| 22:03.30 | Vorbote | confrey: You'd have the radio up during booting up. |
| 22:03.34 | Kiirani | Hmm. I think I can safely delete /initrd.. |
| 22:04.18 | confrey | Vorbote: can you see three lines of my messages while inserting it? may be you knoiw the problem and the solution.. |
| 22:04.31 | Vorbote | confrey: use #paste |
| 22:05.12 | solar_sea | where can I enter module options in debian ? |
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| 22:05.42 | Kiirani | solar_sea - what do you mean by module options? |
| 22:05.47 | l0c4lh0st | :( I just can't figure this out |
| 22:05.48 | jim | solar_sea: most basic way: edit some text files, like /etc/modules |
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| 22:05.57 | solar_sea | like passing an option to the 'loop' module |
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| 22:06.09 | Kiirani | Ah, okay. Probably what jim said then. |
| 22:06.16 | solar_sea | to increase the number of avaiable loopback devices |
| 22:06.28 | solar_sea | okey |
| 22:06.33 | Vorbote | confrey: either there is no firmware, or the firmware is broken somehow. |
| 22:06.40 | Kalamansi | hello how to download the stable debian desktop and stable debian server installer? thanks |
| 22:06.43 | jim | there is also a user interface (which I don't find fun to use but it works well) called modconf |
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| 22:07.04 | jim | Kalamansi: they're really both the same |
| 22:07.16 | confrey | Vorbote: so must I find and load the firmware? |
| 22:07.33 | Vorbote | Yes. |
| 22:07.39 | jim | does anyone have the RME hdsp cardbus interface card? |
| 22:07.40 | l0c4lh0st | ¦ /usr/src/modules/rt73/debian/tmp-rt73-modules-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx/lib/modules ¦ |
| 22:07.40 | l0c4lh0st | ¦ /2.6.18-4-ixp4xx/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt73.ko ¦ |
| 22:07.40 | l0c4lh0st | ¦ install: cannot stat `rt73.ko': No such file or directory ¦ |
| 22:07.54 | l0c4lh0st | Anyone got an idea? |
| 22:08.04 | l0c4lh0st | I think something is going wrong with the paths. |
| 22:08.09 | jim | l0c4lh0st: there's a file that can't be found? there's an idea! |
| 22:08.18 | l0c4lh0st | Debian is using other paths for the files than the installer. |
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| 22:08.26 | l0c4lh0st | jim: But how to fix it? |
| 22:08.34 | Kiirani | l0c4lh0st - which installer? |
| 22:08.35 | Kalamansi | jim : thanks. where to download and what server? i am located in philippines. |
| 22:08.39 | jim | how... must... fix... |
| 22:08.40 | jim | it... |
| 22:08.41 | l0c4lh0st | rt73 driver |
| 22:08.52 | l0c4lh0st | (WLAN USB) |
| 22:09.10 | Kiirani | Hmm. |
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| 22:09.33 | jim | right now I'm not sure, here's the thing: I'm in the same place as you, maybe even more unknowing about that particular situation |
| 22:09.35 | jim | but |
| 22:09.35 | Kiirani | l0c4lh0st - you could try 'find / -name rt73.ko' |
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| 22:09.50 | Kiirani | l0c4lh0st - then tell it the right location if that isn't the problem |
| 22:09.53 | jim | what I can do is help you to gain the skill needed to find what you need and use it |
| 22:10.03 | jim | kinda at the same time that you actually do it |
| 22:10.11 | l0c4lh0st | Kiirani: Searching now. |
| 22:10.15 | confrey | Vorbote: please look at #paste |
| 22:10.17 | l0c4lh0st | Nothing found. |
| 22:10.18 | l0c4lh0st | :/ |
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| 22:10.26 | Kiirani | l0c4lh0st - well, there's your problem, it doesn't exist. |
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| 22:10.30 | l0c4lh0st | True. |
| 22:10.35 | l0c4lh0st | It's being made by the installer |
| 22:10.36 | jim | not at all sure you'd be interested... if not, I can't help because I don't know the situation |
| 22:10.43 | l0c4lh0st | But the installer can't make it for some reason |
| 22:10.59 | jim | do you need that networking up while you install the base? |
| 22:11.14 | jim | or can you wait until reboot to set everything up? |
| 22:11.44 | Kiirani | hm. sorry l0c4lh0st but I can't help you, I don't do my kernels the debian way :) Good luck, and at least you know it's not a path disagreement, right? :D |
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| 22:12.08 | Kalamansi | hello where to download a stable debian desktop/server? thanks |
| 22:12.12 | l0c4lh0st | Hm? I thought it is |
| 22:12.23 | Kiirani | Kalamansi - have you tried the debian website? |
| 22:12.23 | Vorbote | confrey: can you do an "rmmod zd1211rw" and "modprobe -v zd1211rw"? When you load the module again, you should see an error message if it doesn't find the firmware. |
| 22:12.25 | jim | Kalamansi: so you weren't awake before? |
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| 22:12.32 | Kalamansi | !server |
| 22:12.32 | dpkg | it has been said that server is the main-computer in a network of computers. It sends out data to the other computers and it also has data on it. the person who brings you food at cheap restaurants. |
| 22:12.36 | Kalamansi | !install |
| 22:12.36 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 22:13.01 | jim | cmon, please pay attention to details when people try to help you; it's pretty draining otherwise |
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| 22:13.33 | l0c4lh0st | Here's the error log I got: http://rafb.net/p/tl3izs52.html |
| 22:13.36 | jim | and the idea of being drained isn't my idea of fun |
| 22:13.59 | jim | thanks :) |
| 22:14.12 | jim | I just had a nice cupa peets :) |
| 22:14.43 | Kiirani | Looks fancy |
| 22:15.15 | jim | they went from one store in Oakland, and now they're expanding to other areas of the us and they're publically traded |
| 22:15.27 | Kiirani | jim - I'm not in the US, so. |
| 22:15.43 | jim | what are you waiting for? get on the plane! |
| 22:15.45 | Kalamansi | jim : which one to download? i am using gigabyte intel processor core2duo and asus.. |
| 22:15.46 | jim | :) |
| 22:15.50 | Kiirani | Haha, hells no :) |
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| 22:16.25 | jim | j/k :P |
| 22:16.27 | zinx | Kalamansi: i686 or amd64 for Core 2 Duo |
| 22:16.33 | Kiirani | Kalamansi - intel is x86 (i386) |
| 22:16.43 | charzero | I have a very old Pentium (model name : Pentium 75 - 200) (family/model/stepping 5/2/12). How do I know if it is 486 or 686? |
| 22:16.49 | zinx | Kiirani: core 2 duo is amd64 |
| 22:16.57 | jim | Kalamansi: I would recommend you go with i686 rather than amd64 arch |
| 22:16.57 | Kiirani | oh crap, is it? |
| 22:17.03 | zinx | Kiirani: yep. |
| 22:17.05 | Kiirani | zinx - Really? I'm using it with x86.. |
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| 22:17.15 | zinx | Kiirani: amd64's backwards compatible |
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| 22:17.25 | Vorbote | charzero: stepping 5 -> 586 |
| 22:17.38 | Kiirani | I'm sure I'm not 64bit... |
| 22:17.55 | Kiirani | Oh, wow. |
| 22:17.56 | Kalamansi | i am using (pc1 is gigabyte board+intel core2duo) and (pc2 asus board+core2duo) |
| 22:18.05 | Kiirani | maybe I am.. No, can't be.. |
| 22:18.07 | holst | if I recompile a package (mutt) with new options and want to stop apt+get upgrade from overwriting my custom compiled mutt |
| 22:18.08 | zinx | Kiirani: x86 debian runs fine on a core 2 duo... and so does amd64 debian :) |
| 22:18.11 | holst | how can I do_ |
| 22:18.12 | Kiirani | zinx - how do I find that out? |
| 22:18.16 | zinx | Kiirani: uname -m |
| 22:18.18 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:18.20 | Nyle | why |
| 22:18.35 | holst | me? |
| 22:18.35 | Kalamansi | i will download i386? |
| 22:18.36 | Kiirani | zinx - i686. That's the same as my p4 box. |
| 22:18.47 | Kiirani | zinx (which is running gentoo x86) |
| 22:18.48 | zinx | Kiirani: yep, that's 32-bit |
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| 22:18.54 | jim | Kalamansi: do you want to run full 64 bit? then use amd64 (but there is a caveat)... do you want to run 32 bit? then use i386 but with a 686 kernel |
| 22:18.55 | Nyle | Kalamansi: you don't want 64 bit if you don't know about it |
| 22:19.04 | cafuego | ¿que? |
| 22:19.16 | Kiirani | zinx - Okay, so isn't that what hte 64 in amd64 stands for? |
| 22:19.16 | jim | kay? |
| 22:19.18 | Nyle | cafuego: you like southpark? |
| 22:19.26 | cafuego | Nyle: Meh |
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| 22:19.29 | zinx | Kiirani: yes. and you could just as well run amd64 debian. |
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| 22:19.38 | Nyle | cafuego: rainforset shcmainforest |
| 22:19.39 | cafuego | Nyle: If I'm bored and I have nothing better sitting on myth |
| 22:19.43 | zinx | Kiirani: amd64 is backwards compatible - you can run i686 stuff on it just fine. |
| 22:19.47 | Kiirani | Ah.. but uh.. if i'm 32bit it doesn't give any advantage, right? |
| 22:19.50 | Nyle | cafuego: I want to play MYST again |
| 22:19.54 | zinx | Kiirani: it does, actually |
| 22:19.59 | Kalamansi | jim : what is 64bit and 32bit? im confused now really... |
| 22:20.03 | Kiirani | Oh. Okay, what would the advantage be? |
| 22:20.07 | jim | the caveat I mentioned earlier is: the amd64 compilers have bugs that will take awhile to work out... |
| 22:20.10 | cafuego | Nyle: heh. openttd for the win |
| 22:20.11 | piju | !ubuntu |
| 22:20.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:20.16 | zinx | Kiirani: if you run 32-bit, you can use 32-bit applications easier in Debian :/ |
| 22:20.19 | piju | !evilwm |
| 22:20.19 | dpkg | [evilwm] a borderless wm. extremely minimalistic (if you care about that kind of thing) |
| 22:20.22 | Nyle | cafuego: what is that? |
| 22:20.24 | jim | Kalamansi: ok... can we start over then? |
| 22:20.24 | Nyle | !openttd |
| 22:20.31 | Nyle | doink |
| 22:20.39 | holst | !dwm |
| 22:20.40 | dpkg | somebody said dwm was http://www.wmii.de/dwm/ |
| 22:20.43 | holst | :) |
| 22:20.45 | Nyle | hey man |
| 22:20.47 | zinx | Kiirani: though i think *most* of that is mitigated by proper use of nspluginwrapper and such |
| 22:20.53 | Kalamansi | jim okay |
| 22:20.54 | cafuego | Kiirani: The advantage to 64bit is mainly improvide i/o bandwidth and ram limits for servers. For desktops there' not that much point to running it. |
| 22:20.55 | Nyle | I think webdesign is tedius work |
| 22:20.56 | jim | Nyle: I just got an rme setup.. |
| 22:21.00 | Nyle | rme? |
| 22:21.05 | Nyle | hey speak english guys |
| 22:21.30 | cafuego | Nyle: openttd is like a little train set app i guess |
| 22:21.43 | Nyle | open source train set |
| 22:21.45 | jim | Kalamansi: I'm going to assume 32-bit here, that ok with you? what is your purpose in installing debian? |
| 22:21.47 | Kiirani | I'm a laptop right now. So uh. The uname -m, does that indicate that the *system* is 32bit or that the *processor* is 32bit? Oh christ, I'm so confused. |
| 22:21.49 | Nyle | every little boy's dream |
| 22:21.59 | Kiirani | zinx - I think I'll stick with what i know, lol. |
| 22:22.00 | Nyle | Kiirani: you are a laptop? |
| 22:22.02 | Nyle | hehe |
| 22:22.04 | Kiirani | Nyle - Sure am. |
| 22:22.12 | Nyle | Kiirani: what brand are you? |
| 22:22.21 | Kiirani | Nyle - Dell, but I want to grow up to be a thinkpad. |
| 22:22.22 | jim | Kiirani: you're a laptop?? what happens when someone opens your cover? |
| 22:22.22 | holst | hilight me if you can help with my question |
| 22:22.25 | zinx | Kiirani: oh, i was saying the advantages of staying with 32-bit |
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| 22:22.31 | Nyle | thats nice |
| 22:22.31 | Kalamansi | jim: for server.. |
| 22:22.37 | Kiirani | zinx - Oh! Right, so I'm good where I am then? XD |
| 22:22.40 | cafuego | Kiirani: If it's a core2 or newer it's 64bit. BUT that doesn't mean you cannot or should not run 32bit Linux on it. |
| 22:22.41 | Nyle | Kiirani: I want to grow up and be a modem. |
| 22:22.43 | jim | Kalamansi: what server you running now? |
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| 22:22.57 | Kalamansi | jim: internet sharing,internet controler and fileserver |
| 22:22.59 | zinx | Kiirani: uname -m indicates the kernel is 32-bit |
| 22:23.08 | Kiirani | Ah, duh. |
| 22:23.09 | Kalamansi | jim : ubuntu 7.10 server |
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| 22:23.24 | jim | Kalamansi: ok, why switch? is the ubuntu working? |
| 22:23.24 | Nyle | ubuntu sucks |
| 22:23.26 | zinx | Kiirani: which means the system is too (because a 32-bit kernel won't run 64-bit apps; though a 64-bit kernel will run 32-bit apps) |
| 22:23.30 | Nyle | run etch server and be happy |
| 22:23.33 | Kiirani | zinx - Okay, so I'm a 64 bit processor running a 32 bit system and it's all perfectly good? |
| 22:23.39 | zinx | Kiirani: yeah |
| 22:23.39 | cafuego | Kiirani: Yes. |
| 22:23.42 | Kiirani | Okay sweet. |
| 22:23.46 | jim | Nyle: true, but I still want to know why he's switching |
| 22:23.49 | Kiirani | I'll remember that if I ever want to change though. |
| 22:23.59 | Nyle | jim: dunno, duncare |
| 22:24.01 | Kalamansi | jim : because all my tutorials are debian |
| 22:24.05 | Kiirani | Thanks for uh, explaining to my confused self |
| 22:24.10 | Kalamansi | jim : debian base |
| 22:24.10 | zinx | yeah, there's no pressing need to reinstall :) |
| 22:24.21 | Nyle | zinx: what?! |
| 22:24.22 | Kiirani | Thank god, installation was frustrating. |
| 22:24.27 | jim | Kalamansi: ok, so you're used to debian? that would be a very good reason |
| 22:24.38 | Nyle | there is always a pressing need to replace ubuntu w/ debian. |
| 22:24.48 | Kalamansi | jim : yes thanks |
| 22:24.51 | zinx | Nyle: erh, talking about Kiirani's situation |
| 22:25.00 | jim | but why else? |
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| 22:25.10 | Kiirani | I think there's a pressing need to replace ubuntu with damn near anything.. :P |
| 22:25.17 | Nyle | dunno, duncare. get ubuntu out of your life |
| 22:25.26 | Nyle | there will be much rejoicing. |
| 22:25.50 | Kalamansi | jim : because i want to use debian server |
| 22:25.51 | jim | well the thing is, it's his choice... I'm starting here by making sure I understand why he's switching |
| 22:26.12 | Kiirani | Incidentally, are there any other people here who run or have run gentoo? Out of curiosity, it's my main system. |
| 22:26.13 | jim | again, good reason... but just to be clear: the ubuntu is working? |
| 22:26.15 | Nyle | I can chose to drive a car with my feet. Just because I can chose that, doesn't make it a good fucking idea. |
| 22:26.23 | Nyle | *shrug* |
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| 22:26.42 | Nyle | s/drive/steer. |
| 22:26.46 | Kiirani | Nyle - could be fun though. |
| 22:26.56 | Kalamansi | jim : its not working properly. 2 days its working. when it comes to 3rd day it wont boot anymore =/ |
| 22:27.12 | tosh| | can anyone tell me why the reconfigure script for dovecot tries to extract the fqdn and short name of the host with "hostname -f" and "hostname -s" respectively, which are both bogus commands? |
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| 22:27.34 | Kiirani | Oh, hmm. it's almost midday, better have breakfast. |
| 22:27.37 | jim | oh, ok... again, just to be clear, I am not at all sure debian will boot every time or even at all until it's tried |
| 22:27.43 | abrotman | tosh|: they are? `hostname --help` shows them for me |
| 22:28.03 | jim | Kiirani: where are you located? |
| 22:28.10 | jim | hawaii? |
| 22:28.10 | Kiirani | jim - New Zealand :) |
| 22:28.13 | Kiirani | Hahaha. |
| 22:28.15 | jim | ahh |
| 22:28.16 | Kiirani | Nowhere near. |
| 22:28.18 | tosh| | abrotman they're to set the hostname. just executing hostname -s will not work here? |
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| 22:28.28 | abrotman | it won't ? |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | -s is short |
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| 22:29.09 | tosh| | hostname: Unknown host when I try hostname -s, which is also what the postinst dovecot script gives me when trying to update ssl cert for dovecot |
| 22:29.19 | jim | Kalamansi: do you have a way you can keep the setup you have and install debian as a multiple boot? |
| 22:29.32 | cafuego | tosh|: -s should return th host part of the fqdn |
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| 22:29.42 | jim | also, is booting the server the only problem with the ubuntu? |
| 22:29.45 | cafuego | tosh|: and hostname -f should return the fqdn |
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| 22:30.00 | cafuego | tosh|: Which debian version you on>? |
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| 22:30.16 | Vorbote | tosh|: that rather points to problems with name resolution. Either use some dynamic DNS thingamajick or set the names in /etc/hosts for the time being? |
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| 22:30.27 | tosh| | unstable, etch |
| 22:30.30 | draeath | how stable is debian testing compared to ubuntu, would you say (roughly) |
| 22:30.37 | holst | unstable etch? :) |
| 22:30.38 | cafuego | tosh|: No, that's not a revision. |
| 22:30.41 | holst | back to the future |
| 22:30.42 | cafuego | tosh|: etch is stable. |
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| 22:30.49 | tosh| | unstable, not etch then ;) |
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| 22:30.56 | tosh| | Vorbote I'll look into that |
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| 22:31.07 | draeath | lenny i think |
| 22:31.19 | cafuego | lenny is also not unstable |
| 22:31.21 | jim | draeath: hard to say, what you want to do is compare how they are maintained and developed |
| 22:31.21 | holst | an advice for all irssi users: /ignore -joins #debian-overflow |
| 22:31.23 | ago | good evening |
| 22:31.23 | Kalamansi | jim : i already reformat my hardisk and ready to download debian.. |
| 22:31.25 | charzero | If I have Pentium (P5, _not_ P6), should I use the linux-image-486 kernel? |
| 22:31.26 | Vorbote | draeath: you are comparing apples to oranges. Ubuntu is based on a snapshot of SId. I myself am very comfortable running Sid. |
| 22:31.27 | ago | i'm italian |
| 22:31.27 | draeath | basically im suck of the way ubuntu fiddles with things but stable is a bit dusty |
| 22:31.31 | cafuego | oh, nm :-) |
| 22:31.35 | ago | i have a question |
| 22:31.40 | jim | Kalamansi: so the server is blank now?? |
| 22:31.42 | Kalamansi | jim and im over excited |
| 22:31.42 | draeath | Vorbote: oh! i thought it was based on testing |
| 22:31.52 | draeath | Vorbote: if i can handle ubuntu's stability, testing should be a cakewalk |
| 22:31.56 | octox2 | what would you say is the best for file shares between linux boxes? NFS? |
| 22:31.59 | Kalamansi | jim : yes. i reformat the hardisk.. |
| 22:32.02 | jim | sheesh :) ok... that takes care of that.... |
| 22:32.11 | jim | one sec |
| 22:32.12 | cafuego | octox2: worksforme |
| 22:32.17 | Vorbote | draeath: nope. And for the record. Sid is usually very solid if you can get your way around dependencies. |
| 22:32.22 | jim | what is your network card again? |
| 22:32.26 | Kalamansi | jim okay |
| 22:32.34 | Kalamansi | jim : realtek and cnet |
| 22:32.40 | draeath | Vorbote: i've used equivs before, and am not afraid of makefiles :D |
| 22:32.42 | jim | there are two? |
| 22:32.50 | Kalamansi | jim yes i can choose cnet |
| 22:33.05 | Vorbote | draeath: On the contrary testing tends to be very broken. Either run stable or Sid. |
| 22:33.16 | jim | are they both ethernet cards? |
| 22:33.26 | draeath | Vorbote: thanks... that is what I was looking for |
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| 22:33.49 | Vorbote | draeath: use testing in your repos to have a fallback in case something breaks in SId. |
| 22:33.50 | draeath | i've been trying other distros but fall back to debian, only to try something else (due to age) - this is a desktop rather than a server |
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| 22:34.15 | draeath | Vorbote: do I need to do anything special besides add the testing repos after installation? |
| 22:34.15 | octox2 | cafuego: hmm, havent head of it, is it nice? I can easily browse file in konqueror using that too right? |
| 22:34.29 | draeath | Vorbote: and I assume a netinst/businesscard ISO would be best |
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| 22:35.17 | Vorbote | draeath: what I do is to use a daily netinst of testing, Install the base, add the Sid repos wihtout removing the testing ones, dist-upgrade and then use tasksel to install the desktopl. |
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| 22:35.56 | cafuego | octox2: have't heard of nfs? Hrm? |
| 22:36.14 | articpenguin380 | !mirror |
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| 22:36.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 22:36.15 | abrotman | Vorbote: please don't tell people to do that |
| 22:36.25 | holst | sshfs is very good too for use file sharing |
| 22:36.38 | holst | user* |
| 22:36.43 | Vorbote | abrotman: I understand that's for grown ups, yes... |
| 22:36.46 | draeath | Vorbote: i follow what you are doing, and can see how it works |
| 22:36.50 | holst | !sshfs |
| 22:36.50 | dpkg | well, sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 22:36.54 | abrotman | Vorbote: if they don't know how .. please don't tell them |
| 22:37.03 | Vorbote | abrotman: OK |
| 22:37.05 | draeath | I've handled slackware and gentoo if that helps you gauge my scars |
| 22:37.27 | abrotman | draeath: this isn't about your linux knowledge .. this is about debian knowledge |
| 22:37.30 | Kalamansi | jim just one nic now |
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| 22:37.50 | octox2 | cafuego: hahaha I am retarted. You typed worksforme, and I thought you were giving me a program name lol |
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| 22:38.08 | draeath | abrotman: used woody, sarge, and etch off and on through the years (and have really loved .deb based stuff). I shouldn't have TOO much trouble |
| 22:38.12 | cafuego | octox2: naah, just saying nfs seems to do a fine job here :-) |
| 22:38.16 | octox2 | cafuego: I will slap myself repeatedly all about the head and shoulders |
| 22:38.22 | Kalamansi | jim ok i ah downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso am i correct? |
| 22:38.28 | draeath | i've used equives to kill packages i dont want that were depended on by metapackages too |
| 22:38.39 | Kalamansi | jim for gigabyte / core2duo |
| 22:38.40 | cafuego | octox2: though for adhoc stuff I mostly use sftp/scp. |
| 22:39.00 | draeath | Vorbote: never used sid - only stable/testing. any words of caution? |
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| 22:39.02 | abrotman | draeath: that's what you think |
| 22:39.25 | draeath | done a 32-bit chroot in 64-bit using debootstrap... |
| 22:39.35 | Vorbote | draeath: Always thread lightly on the tail of the tiger. |
| 22:39.42 | jim | Kalamansi: yes |
| 22:39.43 | articpenguin380 | how do i enable hashed btrees with ext3? |
| 22:39.45 | octox2 | cafuego: yea, someone said something about scp/sftp and I will look into it, thanks |
| 22:39.49 | Kalamansi | thanks |
| 22:39.55 | octox2 | cafuego: can you copy files through ssh ? |
| 22:40.07 | Kalamansi | jim : i dont need the full installation right? just netinstall |
| 22:40.14 | jim | right |
| 22:40.20 | draeath | Vorbote: that being said, is there something better for someone who enjoys Ubuntu's level of "advancement", hates their "meddling", and absolutely hates RPM? |
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| 22:40.49 | Kiirani | octox2 - scp and sftp do exactly that, but not using 'ssh', no |
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| 22:41.07 | Vorbote | draeath: Well.. If Debian/kFreeBSD were an active project... |
| 22:41.14 | Kiirani | octox2 - scp and sftp use a ssh server and scp/sftp as clients |
| 22:41.30 | draeath | Vorbote: done freebsd, but i like having video drivers in my 64-bit system :P |
| 22:41.45 | draeath | heck i'll just give it a try |
| 22:42.03 | cafuego | octox2: files, dirs... yup. |
| 22:42.10 | Kiirani | I like the quotes around "advancement" there. |
| 22:42.11 | draeath | as long as mkfs/mkswap/fdisk don't eat my NTFS partition i'm OK for crashing |
| 22:42.11 | Vorbote | draeath: that I agree with you. (But do check 7.0 that's what I run on my server). |
| 22:42.23 | cafuego | octox2: and you can tunnel rsync over ssh or run commands remotely as well. |
| 22:42.27 | abrotman | draeath: some things like flash and java are a pain on amd64 |
| 22:42.30 | draeath | Vorbote: nvidia doesn't have 64-bit bsd drivers, they need some kernel fixes first |
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| 22:42.51 | Vorbote | draeath: Yes, and it is a shame. |
| 22:42.52 | draeath | abrotman: don't miss flash, and server JVM is OK (don't need browser plugin) |
| 22:43.09 | draeath | abrotman: used etch/amd64 for some time without issues |
| 22:43.26 | draeath | Vorbote: it's nice they say what is wrong though! instead of just saying "forget it" |
| 22:43.35 | Vorbote | draeath: I'd love to run Debian/kFreeBSD in one of my older boxes but I've dound the installation quizzical. |
| 22:44.07 | draeath | Vorbote: i really like the ports system, freebsd is good vanilla (my opinion ;) ) |
| 22:44.33 | draeath | well, if you see me here soon whining about kernel panics you all know whom to blame right? |
| 22:45.08 | Vorbote | draeath: kernel panics, what kernel panics? Debian kernels are rock solid. |
| 22:45.24 | Kiirani | draeath - what _is_ the ports system like? I keep being told by a friend to use freebsd rather than debian, I'm mostly on debian because I want something that will give me binary packages. (Gentoo user) |
| 22:45.28 | wad | I'm playing with some C source code in a debian package. Where does the linking occur? I'm trying to figure out where the entry point to one of the binaries is. |
| 22:45.43 | vyrus001 | anybody got a good tutorial on how to setup a lenny xen cluster? |
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| 22:46.16 | draeath | Kiirani: directories of metadata/makefiles. find the package you want, go "make install clean", and it pulls the dependencies, patches, builds, and installs. Like gentoo's emerge system. |
| 22:46.24 | cafuego | wad: The linking always occurs in one of the Makefiles |
| 22:46.29 | Kiirani | Hmm, that's what I thought. |
| 22:46.40 | draeath | Kiirani: unlike gentoo, you have binary backages available to install with other tools |
| 22:46.47 | Kiirani | I know portage is based on it. He kept insisting that they provide binary as well- ah. |
| 22:46.48 | Vorbote | Kiirani: and there are also binary packages installable over the net. |
| 22:46.49 | draeath | pkg_add, pkg_remove (?), etc |
| 22:46.59 | cafuego | abrotman: flash is fine with nspluginwrapper and java 1.4 works - of sorts. |
| 22:47.08 | abrotman | right :) |
| 22:47.30 | Kiirani | I left 15 gigs free on this machine, maybe I'll try it sometime. |
| 22:47.39 | draeath | Vorbote: what kind of breakage does testing see? I would expect sid to be a madhouse |
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| 22:48.05 | FordCortina | is there a way to block a bash script until a certain time? |
| 22:48.07 | jim | does ot rhyme with spot? spot fought for the ot? |
| 22:48.10 | FordCortina | i dont want to use cron |
| 22:48.13 | Kiirani | draeath - I've read that unstable can be more stable than testing, because it gets updates as fast as they come in. |
| 22:48.14 | l0c4lh0st | Hey yo Debian freaks |
| 22:48.19 | l0c4lh0st | http://pastebin.ca/925036 <-- Any clues on that? :) |
| 22:48.22 | cafuego | FordCortina: at |
| 22:48.23 | Vorbote | draeath: sometimes testing can stay broken for several days, or weeks. Sid is like living Red Queen's Land. |
| 22:48.25 | jim | FordCortina: then use at |
| 22:48.29 | l0c4lh0st | I'm now running the make oldconfig && make prepare |
| 22:48.32 | FordCortina | thanks! |
| 22:48.34 | l0c4lh0st | any other suggestions? |
| 22:48.41 | draeath | That makes sense... so, if it breaks, try updating later |
| 22:48.47 | Kiirani | draeath - I imagine sid is a lot like gentoo. I haven't had any problems on lenny though. |
| 22:48.49 | draeath | like gentoo but without the hours of compiling! :D |
| 22:48.50 | jim | at and cron, btw, are closely related |
| 22:48.56 | Kiirani | Hehe. |
| 22:49.03 | draeath | you've sold me there |
| 22:49.05 | Vorbote | draeath: right. |
| 22:49.08 | draeath | i loved gentoo but hated the tedium |
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| 22:49.27 | Kiirani | :) I'm intending to upgrade to unstable next time Ifind a package missing. |
| 22:49.39 | draeath | would you beleive i have a binder with the debian developer / new developer / package mainainer guides? |
| 22:49.50 | jim | Kalamansi, the full install is always available once the machine is on the net |
| 22:49.54 | cafuego | l0c4lh0st: Offhand, I's duggest you need the kernel-headers package |
| 22:50.13 | draeath | Vorbote: testing businesscard ISO lets you install sid right? i remember it let me choose stable/testing/etc |
| 22:50.15 | l0c4lh0st | Man, this is some scary stuff |
| 22:50.19 | Kiirani | draeath - I still love gentoo, luckily for me I have enough patience for compiling, and a fairly decent processor in my gentoo machine. I still use -bin for things like open office |
| 22:50.23 | jim | which makes CDs and DVDs less useful since they get old |
| 22:50.23 | l0c4lh0st | I have the kernel-headers package installed |
| 22:50.25 | draeath | Vorbote: don't want the netinst cause that has base? |
| 22:50.37 | l0c4lh0st | arch/arm/mach-lh7a40x/Kconfig:17:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'MACH_LPD7A400' refer to undefined symbol 'HAS_TOUCHSCREEN_ADS7843_LH7' |
| 22:50.38 | l0c4lh0st | arch/arm/mach-lh7a40x/Kconfig:27:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'MACH_LPD7A404' refer to undefined symbol 'HAS_TOUCHSCREEN_ADC_LH7' |
| 22:50.38 | l0c4lh0st | o.O |
| 22:50.56 | jim | l0c4lh0st: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:50.58 | draeath | Kiirani: compiling wasn't the annoyance, it was managing USE flags (mostly knowing what you need/want) |
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| 22:51.05 | Kiirani | Oh, really? |
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| 22:51.10 | jim | for the sake of other help conversatoins. |
| 22:51.11 | Kiirani | That's what I like most about it! Hehe. |
| 22:51.23 | draeath | I <like> it, but its a bit... unweildy |
| 22:51.26 | Kiirani | I'm a sucker for ultra configurable systems. |
| 22:51.30 | l0c4lh0st | It's only 2 lines |
| 22:51.31 | Vorbote | draeath: in fact I do, because it gives you a bootable system without net connection (say you are installing to a laptop). |
| 22:51.34 | l0c4lh0st | shouldn't be that big a problem |
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| 22:51.36 | Kiirani | The more difficult the better I guess. |
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| 22:51.58 | draeath | Vorbote: ah, but i've enjoyed kernel-built-in net drivers since early 2.4 :D |
| 22:52.05 | draeath | ancient salvaged NIC |
| 22:52.23 | draeath | "83??too" i think. dont remember the ?? part. |
| 22:52.31 | Kiirani | Vorbote - Most laptops have wired NICs still, don't they? |
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| 22:53.20 | Kiirani | That's how I set mine up. Because of course I wouldn't touch an _installer_ with a 10 foot pole, lol. |
| 22:53.28 | Vorbote | Kiirani: yes, of course. But in fact some laptops have NICs that Linux do not support yet (e.g., most late generation ASUS= |
| 22:53.43 | l0c4lh0st | Doing the scary stuff again, let's hope it'll work now ^^ |
| 22:54.00 | Kiirani | oohh. Yeah, I had minor difficulty getting my old one to work, goo d thing another driver for the same manufacturer supported it fine |
| 22:54.17 | jim | l0c4lh0st: I'm trying my hardest not to be authoritative... do what you want... my -personal- reason for letting you know this is my screen happens to be fairly small, so all my stuff scrolled off the screen when your paste came |
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| 22:54.30 | draeath | l0c4lh0st: it's not scary if you have a 20-foot wide monitor to see the command line without line-breaks :D |
| 22:54.39 | Kiirani | Vorbote - I take for granted that I've been using linux for a coup.le of years,all my hardware runs fine because i only buy stuff that works XD |
| 22:54.40 | jim | and there are times when I am in help conversations here |
| 22:54.52 | l0c4lh0st | I'm sorry, I thought 2 lines wouldn't be a problem, I'll use pastebin for all the pastes here :) Sorry again |
| 22:55.07 | l0c4lh0st | lol draeath |
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| 22:55.30 | draeath | having done some of that "scary" stuff by hand without a makefile's help :D |
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| 22:55.33 | jim | it makes my brain hurt when suddenly I can't read stuff :) the truth is it's my issue alone... I got triggered. |
| 22:55.55 | l0c4lh0st | I'll think twice before pasting something again, jim :) |
| 22:56.18 | Vorbote | draeath: Yea, but you know that beggars can't be choosers :-) |
| 22:56.25 | jim | someone took my virgin! |
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| 22:56.44 | Kiirani | XD |
| 22:56.55 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, step 1 is taking quite some time... I guess that's not a good thing. |
| 22:57.20 | jim | when did 4.0r3 come out? |
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| 22:58.06 | streuner | !4.0r3 |
| 22:58.24 | streuner | !listkeys 4.0 |
| 22:58.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4.0' by key (15 of 20): 2.4.0-test ;; 4.0 ;; 4.0r0 ;; 4.0r2 ;; stlport4.0 ;; vmware 2.4.0 ;; x3.3-4.0 ;; x4.0.1 ;; xf 4.0.3 ;; xf4.0 ;; xf4.0.3 ;; xfree4.0 ;; xfree4.0 debs ;; xfree4.0 mirrors ;; xfree86 4.0.1. |
| 22:58.28 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, still 0% |
| 22:58.43 | l0c4lh0st | But oh well, previous times it showed 0% and it was actually at 50% or so. |
| 22:58.48 | l0c4lh0st | I'll just have to wait I think. |
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| 22:58.59 | Greek-Boy | how do i load the libgd module into apache2? |
| 22:59.07 | jim | HEY! stop crossing my fingers!! |
| 22:59.33 | jim | wait, actually crossing them felt better |
| 22:59.49 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 23:00.03 | l0c4lh0st | Greek-Boy: You don't load it into Apache |
| 23:00.06 | l0c4lh0st | You load it in PHP |
| 23:00.19 | l0c4lh0st | I assume you're talking about the GD Library for PHP, to create and alter images |
| 23:00.41 | Greek-Boy | yes |
| 23:00.48 | Greek-Boy | thats what i'm talking about |
| 23:01.04 | l0c4lh0st | You have to edit php.ini on Windows systems, I think there's a similair file for Debian |
| 23:01.14 | l0c4lh0st | It's where you specify extensions |
| 23:01.20 | l0c4lh0st | Usually it's already there, but commented |
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| 23:01.32 | l0c4lh0st | ;extension=php_gd2.dll on Windows |
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| 23:02.00 | l0c4lh0st | You should see something similair on Debian, remove the ; to load the extension |
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| 23:02.55 | streuner | dpkg, 4.0r3 is <reply> Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r3 was released February 17th, 2008. The release included many major changes, described in our <press release> and the <Release Notes>. |
| 23:02.55 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 23:02.59 | Greek-Boy | i see |
| 23:03.02 | el_isma | Hello. I'm trying to install rope+ropemacs (python refactoring lib and emacs bindings) on Debian. Are there any packages? I dislike installing software outside apt. |
| 23:03.03 | l0c4lh0st | Here's some information about it: http://www.boutell.com/gd/faq.html |
| 23:03.05 | Greek-Boy | thanks l0c4lh0st |
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| 23:03.24 | draeath | jim: with tcl instead of php i bet you have a lot less security problems... |
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| 23:03.47 | krizx | hi |
| 23:03.58 | jim | draeath: not sure about that part |
| 23:03.58 | Kiirani | hello |
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| 23:05.02 | jim | could be... but one thing about tcl, is it's super easy to create new control structures in it, for example you can make custom-purpose foreach loops |
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| 23:05.28 | jim | openacs defines a foreach for database rows |
| 23:06.10 | draeath | Kiirani: your still in bed!? what time zone you in? |
| 23:06.35 | jim | Kiirani: what is it that's having you in bed right now? |
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| 23:07.27 | picsou | hello |
| 23:07.29 | nix_chix0r | fedora |
| 23:07.41 | jim | it's a hat! |
| 23:07.44 | Kiirani | draeath, jim - It's midday and I'm in bed because I have a laptop and don't have to get out |
| 23:07.46 | jim | and a bass |
| 23:07.48 | nix_chix0r | hah |
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| 23:07.53 | draeath | Kiirani: hah |
| 23:08.00 | draeath | Kiirani: stuck at work. |
| 23:08.02 | draeath | wee. |
| 23:08.19 | picsou | i didn't manage to install the plugin realplayer (needed by bbc) for iceweasel? |
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| 23:08.24 | Kiirani | Oh lucky you :P I've got my first day of uni tomorrow |
| 23:08.35 | jim | Kiirani: how's that going for you so far? |
| 23:08.48 | draeath | Kiirani: i'm full time working full time student |
| 23:08.52 | Kiirani | Being in bed? it's great. |
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| 23:09.17 | nios | Evning, i got nfs running on my debian server, is't possible to reach files from my winxp or do i need to install samba ? |
| 23:09.17 | Kiirani | draeath - Jeez! When do you sleep? |
| 23:09.18 | draeath | and I install debian in my spare time :D |
| 23:09.23 | articpenguin380 | !lenny |
| 23:09.24 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
| 23:09.57 | draeath | Kiirani: so far, i don't need to study or spend much time on assignments |
| 23:10.11 | Kiirani | Ah, lucky you |
| 23:10.21 | charzero | If I am backing up one partition to another, should I use 'cp -a' ? |
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| 23:10.39 | Kiirani | I'm informed my course will requre two hours of work for every hour of class, and I have a lot of classes :/ |
| 23:10.41 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/Zt1VFq86.html Anyone got an idea how to fix this error? |
| 23:10.53 | l0c4lh0st | The driver is actually building, but it did throw out this error |
| 23:10.59 | l0c4lh0st | Maybe I can be ahead of the problem this time ^^ |
| 23:11.07 | draeath | taking business IT crap. |
| 23:11.10 | Kiirani | charzero - cp -a should work, if you're intending to keep regular backups, I'd suggest rdiff-backup |
| 23:11.13 | l0c4lh0st | 'cause it's taking an awful long time to build, it *might* just be doing something right :D |
| 23:11.35 | articpenguin380 | will kde 3.5.9 go in to etch? |
| 23:11.36 | Kiirani | Ouch. |
| 23:11.37 | jim | that's just a warning |
| 23:11.41 | dondelelcaro | articpenguin380: no |
| 23:11.41 | jim | no |
| 23:11.50 | l0c4lh0st | jim: Did you see that? I used pastebin =) |
| 23:11.57 | articpenguin380 | the repos are frozen bewteen each release? |
| 23:11.59 | l0c4lh0st | jim: Got any idea what it might mean / how to fix it? |
| 23:12.04 | jim | etch is released, so NO (that's right that's NO) new versions of anything |
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| 23:12.17 | articpenguin380 | ok good |
| 23:12.19 | jim | l0c4lh0st: yes I did... notice I read it? :) |
| 23:12.21 | l0c4lh0st | I mean, yeah, that file is missing, but... What's the purpose of that file and how bad is it when it's missing? |
| 23:12.37 | jim | that part I'm not sure of |
| 23:13.09 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, okay |
| 23:13.28 | l0c4lh0st | jim: http://rafb.net/p/X22Z8W44.html =) |
| 23:13.33 | l0c4lh0st | It's actually doing something good :) |
| 23:13.37 | dondelelcaro | l0c4lh0st: it handles dependencies between modules, so when you modprobe foo and foo needs bar, bar is automatically loaded |
| 23:13.40 | draeath | Kiirani: what you schooling for? |
| 23:13.44 | articpenguin380 | wheres firefox? |
| 23:13.49 | jim | l0c4lh0st: well it means that a way to determine relationships between modules (such that one is needed before another can be loaded) is missing |
| 23:14.02 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.04 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, okay, so it's pretty nice to have it... I should find out how to get it working properly |
| 23:14.17 | articpenguin380 | is the code different? |
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| 23:14.38 | dondelelcaro | Kiirani: that's actually normal for college courses; an hour of lecture per week per unit, two hours out of class. |
| 23:14.38 | jim | articpenguin380: it's named iceweasel in debian (due to debian's idea they can't use it if it's named firefox) |
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| 23:14.51 | dondelelcaro | jim: due to mozilla's idea, actually. |
| 23:14.58 | fialar | quick question.. how would I run multiple debian kernels without it messing with the metapackage linux-image-686? |
| 23:15.03 | jim | which debian responded to |
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| 23:15.13 | jim | let's give responsibility where it's due |
| 23:15.16 | dondelelcaro | fialar: just install the other kernel packages you want. |
| 23:15.24 | articpenguin380 | okk |
| 23:15.33 | dondelelcaro | jim: I was involved in the dispute, so you'd think I'd be aware of precisely who required what of whom. |
| 23:15.45 | fialar | dondelelcaro: I want to install the headers too.. but when I install with dpkg, it says it's downgrading my kernel |
| 23:15.46 | Kiirani | dondelelcaro - My timeteable is giving me 5 hours of two subjects and 4 of the other two XD |
| 23:15.47 | articpenguin380 | also what kernel do i need for for k8? |
| 23:15.49 | Kiirani | I'm soo screwed. |
| 23:15.50 | jim | so you did respond? :) |
| 23:16.00 | jim | if you say yes, that's all I'm claiming |
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| 23:16.26 | _matt | hello, how do i install a local .deb package? |
| 23:16.31 | gravity | _matt: dpkg -i |
| 23:16.37 | jim | having said that, I would like to hear the story of how it all happened |
| 23:16.37 | _matt | gravity| thanks |
| 23:16.50 | dondelelcaro | jim: you said that it was Debian's idea that we couldn't use it, and that's not correct. We didn't decide not to call it firefox; we have no choice but to not call it firefox. |
| 23:17.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell jim -about why iceweasel |
| 23:17.31 | streuner | !factinfo why iceweasel |
| 23:17.31 | dpkg | why iceweasel -- last modified 5d 18h 40m 42s ago by chealer!~chealer@dsl-67-55-11-201.acanac.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by dondelelcaro, 25s ago. |
| 23:17.39 | jim | have no choice? always have a choice :) |
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| 23:17.43 | gravity | Well, we could have totally bent over for mozilla and violated everything we stand for |
| 23:17.48 | gravity | Then we could have called it firefox |
| 23:17.49 | articpenguin380 | whats thunderbird renamed to? |
| 23:17.50 | jim | but I don't want to back n forth here |
| 23:17.52 | dondelelcaro | jim: or we could have told mozilla to sue us |
| 23:17.52 | streuner | jim: no |
| 23:17.55 | gravity | Let's be fair about it though :-) |
| 23:18.00 | fialar | thunderbird -> icedove |
| 23:18.01 | jim | or not used mozilla |
| 23:18.06 | jim | always a choice |
| 23:18.06 | fialar | I like icedove much better |
| 23:18.24 | dondelelcaro | jim: oh, there are choices, but calling it firefox wasn't a reasonable one. |
| 23:18.28 | streuner | jim: that would be not helpful |
| 23:18.49 | streuner | jim: many people use firefox (iceweasel in Debian) |
| 23:18.53 | jim | but it was an available choice, that's all I'm saying |
| 23:19.18 | articpenguin380 | does the 686 kernel support amd k8 |
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| 23:19.35 | gravity | jim: That's not wwhat you said at all |
| 23:19.40 | dondelelcaro | jim: You said that it was our idea, which is all that I was taking issue with. That we made the final decision, agreed. |
| 23:19.41 | l0c4lh0st | Hm. Got another small error. http://rafb.net/p/B8bAHJ71.html dunno what it means, I'll try installing modpost, maybe that'll work. |
| 23:20.10 | Vorbote | articpenguin380: yes. You can install either a 32bit or an amd64 distribution in your box. |
| 23:20.14 | jim | dondelelcaro: I'll go for that |
| 23:20.31 | articpenguin380 | if i install the amd64 kernel will that mean my 32bit apps will run slower? |
| 23:20.40 | l0c4lh0st | I've seen the Linux blue screen quite a lot today :D |
| 23:20.42 | l0c4lh0st | So cool |
| 23:20.45 | jim | that's probably what I meant without saying it in enough clarity and detail |
| 23:21.09 | Kiirani | Wow, linux has a blue screen? Mine's never booted far enough to load ncurses when there's an error! |
| 23:21.12 | l0c4lh0st | Oh, package modpost doesn't exist. That's weird. |
| 23:21.17 | l0c4lh0st | lol |
| 23:21.20 | Vorbote | articpenguin380: you can run 32 bit applications under an amd64 system but you have to install the 32 bit libraries first. |
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| 23:21.34 | streuner | GNOME looks blue in Debian by default :-) |
| 23:21.38 | articpenguin380 | i will just install the 686 kernel then |
| 23:21.44 | jim | so does kde too |
| 23:21.50 | l0c4lh0st | How can I install the package when it doesn't exist? lol |
| 23:21.52 | streuner | hm, true |
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| 23:22.27 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: modpost? |
| 23:22.39 | jim | dondelelcaro, ahh... reading the factoid finally, I have a suggestion: trademark the names you're using |
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| 23:22.50 | l0c4lh0st | Yes |
| 23:22.53 | wols_ | jim: debian can't do that |
| 23:23.01 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: what is modpost supposed to be? |
| 23:23.01 | jim | why not? |
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| 23:23.10 | wols_ | jim: read the DFSG and check again |
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| 23:23.20 | l0c4lh0st | wols_ http://rafb.net/p/5qcRgk49.html |
| 23:23.23 | l0c4lh0st | & jim too |
| 23:23.27 | jim | maybe spi can |
| 23:23.28 | dondelelcaro | jim: why would we bother? We're not going to defend them. |
| 23:23.31 | l0c4lh0st | It wants to run that little program |
| 23:23.40 | l0c4lh0st | But it's not compiled yet, is it? |
| 23:24.00 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: where is that code from and why is it for 2.6.18-4? |
| 23:24.14 | fialar | ahh that works |
| 23:24.17 | wols_ | amd what do you need it for? |
| 23:24.17 | fialar | sweet.. thanks guys |
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| 23:24.22 | jim | l0c4lh0st: possible it's implemented as a script which is just in the source dir; maybe a compiled version of it would follow |
| 23:24.23 | l0c4lh0st | Hm, not sure what you mean, wols_ |
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| 23:24.43 | l0c4lh0st | The build program for my RT73 driver wants to run |
| 23:24.44 | l0c4lh0st | it |
| 23:24.44 | wols_ | loesh: why do you want this modpost and what does it do? who gave you that sourcecode? |
| 23:24.55 | wols_ | !ralink |
| 23:24.55 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. |
| 23:25.09 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, I'm running that |
| 23:25.16 | wols_ | no you don't |
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| 23:25.18 | l0c4lh0st | m-a a-i rt73 (because I don't have 2x00) |
| 23:25.29 | wols_ | m-a won't need "modpost" |
| 23:25.30 | jim | dondelelcaro: the thing is what if someone takes the iceweasel name later? that's why I made my suggestion |
| 23:25.30 | l0c4lh0st | And while doing it's thing, it came up with that error |
| 23:25.36 | l0c4lh0st | The driver does, wols_ |
| 23:25.42 | wols_ | not a debian driver |
| 23:25.46 | l0c4lh0st | The driver building code thing* |
| 23:25.49 | l0c4lh0st | ... |
| 23:25.58 | jim | but if debian is comfortable, I'm not all that uncomfortable... |
| 23:26.49 | jim | you could look at it as: I'm just making conversatoin |
| 23:26.57 | l0c4lh0st | wols_: The driver for this WLAN USB stick needs to run it |
| 23:27.01 | streuner | jim: there is surely a long thread about that in some ML ... |
| 23:27.07 | l0c4lh0st | But it can't find the program modpost. |
| 23:27.23 | jim | I should have realized |
| 23:27.23 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: where did you get that driver? what package? |
| 23:27.44 | l0c4lh0st | I got the rt73-source package |
| 23:27.47 | l0c4lh0st | apt-get rt73-source |
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| 23:28.31 | jim | l0c4lh0st: which version of that package did you end up with? |
| 23:28.33 | l0c4lh0st | I'm not sure how I can compile this script |
| 23:28.49 | l0c4lh0st | jim: Of the rt73-source package? |
| 23:28.52 | jim | you have to satisfy the build requirements |
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| 23:28.58 | jim | yes, of that source package |
| 23:28.59 | l0c4lh0st | I don't think it really has a version o.o |
| 23:29.10 | l0c4lh0st | How can I check the version? |
| 23:29.18 | valdyn | jim: gnu already has / had a firefox based webbrowser called iceweasel that is not debians and could have been there first |
| 23:29.30 | wols_ | jim: it does. rt73-source (1:1.0.3.6-cvs20071123-dfsg1-3) |
| 23:29.37 | petur | Hi, i'm running Debian on "Asus P5K Deluxe" motherboard, it has an onboard HD/AC97 question. `lspci | grep audio` shows nothing. Sound is not working.. :( |
| 23:29.56 | l0c4lh0st | wols_: So why is it going wrong? |
| 23:30.00 | jim | l0c4lh0st, try: dpkg -s rt73-source | grep Version |
| 23:30.01 | wols_ | abd utÄS ub sudm and l0c4lh0st uses an old ass exploitable, non debian kernel too |
| 23:30.14 | wols_ | *and it is in sid and l0c4lh0st ... |
| 23:30.34 | jim | hmm, didn't help, still can't read it |
| 23:30.35 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: I still don#t believe you it needs it |
| 23:30.40 | l0c4lh0st | I'm using an old non Debian kernel? |
| 23:30.49 | l0c4lh0st | Version: 1:1.0.3.6-cvs20071123-dfsg1-3 |
| 23:31.30 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: and I just found iout I am right |
| 23:31.30 | ccvp | heh, cod4 on 360 is addicting |
| 23:31.31 | wols_ | !tell l0c4lh0st about search |
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| 23:31.31 | valdyn | modpost is part of the kernel source tree |
| 23:31.31 | l0c4lh0st | Uhm what should I search for? |
| 23:31.49 | valdyn | !find scripts/mod/modpost |
| 23:31.52 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, so why doesn't it run? |
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| 23:32.08 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: cause you use it with the wrong kernel. you need a sid kernel |
| 23:32.22 | l0c4lh0st | oh, geez, I'm using etch |
| 23:32.35 | wols_ | l0c4lh0st: rt73-source you got is NOT from etch |
| 23:32.45 | l0c4lh0st | I know, it's not in etch. I got it from lenny. |
| 23:32.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'scripts/mod/modpost' (1): (/usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.24/scripts/mod/{modpost|modpost.real-lsb-32|modpost.real-lsb-64|...}) in devel/linux-kbuild-2.6.24. |
| 23:32.54 | jim | why? :) |
| 23:33.09 | l0c4lh0st | Well, because it's not in etch or sid ^^ |
| 23:33.18 | jim | hmm |
| 23:33.22 | l0c4lh0st | I need to install this driver in order to get my WLAN USB stick working. |
| 23:33.41 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: is there no rt73-source in etch? |
| 23:33.45 | l0c4lh0st | no |
| 23:33.47 | l0c4lh0st | :( |
| 23:33.51 | jim | that would be a problem... |
| 23:34.03 | wols_ | it is in sid |
| 23:34.08 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah. That's why I went for lenny. |
| 23:34.34 | l0c4lh0st | Should I get the sid one? |
| 23:34.38 | l0c4lh0st | Would it work? |
| 23:34.45 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: the lenny kernel should be ok too |
| 23:34.52 | jim | I wonder if there is a backport |
| 23:34.55 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, it is. It runs. |
| 23:35.05 | l0c4lh0st | It just gives that modpost error |
| 23:35.16 | l0c4lh0st | It's trying to use that program, but it's not compiled or something. |
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| 23:35.28 | jim | or there isn't the path |
| 23:35.34 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: more like its elsewhere, modpost is just a script |
| 23:35.53 | jim | l0c4lh0st: my guess is you're mixing two different build systems |
| 23:35.55 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/5qcRgk49.html |
| 23:36.03 | l0c4lh0st | It tries to run "modpost" from this directory |
| 23:36.14 | charzero | If I 'rm -rf'ed /dev/* and rebooted, would my system be hosed, or does that get rebuilt on boot? |
| 23:36.15 | l0c4lh0st | but all you see is modpost.c, modpost.h (so it's not compiled, I think) |
| 23:36.21 | valdyn | uh |
| 23:36.27 | jim | hmm, yeah |
| 23:36.42 | l0c4lh0st | However, when typing make or Makefile, it won't build |
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| 23:36.54 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: go to your source tree root and run "make scripts/mod/modpost" |
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| 23:37.20 | l0c4lh0st | Hey. It's actually doing something. |
| 23:37.26 | l0c4lh0st | But it gives quite some errors. |
| 23:38.00 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/0vyJmM68.html O.o |
| 23:38.10 | l0c4lh0st | It doesn't understand any of the code inside that file |
| 23:38.12 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: you dont make sense, you claim to be usign a lenny kernel, no? |
| 23:38.22 | l0c4lh0st | I'm using an etch kernel |
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| 23:38.50 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: why arent you using the lenny kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package though |
| 23:39.11 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: you are trying to compile a module against a raw source tree, that never works |
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| 23:39.22 | l0c4lh0st | How can I make it work then? |
| 23:39.38 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: m-a prepare; m-a a-i rt73 |
| 23:39.46 | l0c4lh0st | I mean... I can do stuff in Linux, but drivers with these complicated things... Not my thing :P |
| 23:39.53 | l0c4lh0st | I'm used to Windows, click click click done ^^ |
| 23:40.23 | jim | l0c4lh0st: so learning the shell is out of the question? :) |
| 23:40.24 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: whats the output of "uname -r" ? |
| 23:40.33 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/hiL5DW32.html |
| 23:40.52 | l0c4lh0st | 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx <--- Output |
| 23:41.09 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: i dotn know about ANY ixp4xx kernel in etch |
| 23:41.13 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: where's that from? |
| 23:41.25 | l0c4lh0st | Linksys NSLU2 |
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| 23:41.35 | l0c4lh0st | I'm running Debian on that |
| 23:41.38 | jim | what is that? |
| 23:41.43 | drwahl | when i play World of Warcraft in Wine, movies do not show any picture with mplayer. any ideas how to get around this? |
| 23:41.53 | l0c4lh0st | http://images.google.nl/images?q=Linksys+NSLU2&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 23:42.06 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: i doubt that that driver works on nslu , but duh, what do i know |
| 23:42.22 | l0c4lh0st | Well I got pretty far already |
| 23:42.32 | l0c4lh0st | In the beginning it would throw nothing but errors |
| 23:42.41 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: ok, anyway, try "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux/.config" and run "make oldconfig" in /usr/src/linux |
| 23:42.43 | jim | l0c4lh0st: what's a Linksys NSLU2? |
| 23:42.49 | l0c4lh0st | But now when I run m-a a-i rt73, it actually starts building |
| 23:42.54 | l0c4lh0st | starts doing stuff |
| 23:43.01 | jim | nice... |
| 23:43.03 | l0c4lh0st | And then throws out that modpost error |
| 23:43.12 | Vorbote | jim: it is a SAN for the hobbist market. |
| 23:43.14 | abrotman | jim: it's a little ARM box .. |
| 23:43.15 | drwahl | any ideas about my issue? anyone? tony danza? :) |
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| 23:43.22 | Vorbote | s(SAN/NAS/ |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | Vorbote: NAS ... not SAN |
| 23:43.34 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/B8bAHJ71.html <--- That |
| 23:43.35 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: you need to run the commands a listed above |
| 23:43.40 | l0c4lh0st | I will, thanks :) |
| 23:43.43 | jim | what connectors does it have? |
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| 23:43.54 | Vorbote | abrotman: it is SAN in several languages incluing my native language. |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | stupid language! |
| 23:44.12 | l0c4lh0st | jim: 2x USB 2.0, 1x 100 Mbit/s LAN |
| 23:44.19 | abrotman | !slug |
| 23:44.19 | dpkg | it has been said that slug is the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at UTS (University of Technology). See htt://www.slug.org.au/ for further details. on #slug on irc.freenode.net. a slang term for the Linksys NSLU2, an ARM device with 2 USB 2.0 ports and a 10/100 ethernet port. A slang term for the Linksys NSLU2, an ARM device with 2 USB 2.0 ports and a 10/100 ethernet port. |
| 23:44.29 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, that. http://nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 23:44.32 | draeath | now you gone and done it, abrotman! |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | !nslu2 |
| 23:44.52 | dpkg | hmm... nslu2 is a "Network Storage Link" (NAS) device produced by Linksys, see http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article85-page3.php, or http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
| 23:44.55 | Greek-Boy | l0c4lh0st the name of the packe is php5-gd or php4-gd depending on which php is installed |
| 23:45.05 | Vorbote | abrotman: when there are more native speakers of my language than yours... :-P |
| 23:45.09 | jim | does its case accomodate a second eth card? |
| 23:45.09 | l0c4lh0st | Ah, so it was actually a package |
| 23:45.12 | l0c4lh0st | Sorry to inform you wrong |
| 23:45.22 | abrotman | Vorbote: chinese? |
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| 23:46.10 | Vorbote | That's the first language, mine is the second (or soon will be according to some articles I read the other day) |
| 23:46.19 | l0c4lh0st | valdyn: The problem is that I don't have a linux directory |
| 23:46.22 | Vorbote | But this is very off-topic... |
| 23:46.42 | l0c4lh0st | -00:42:32- (valdyn) l0c4lh0st: ok, anyway, try "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux/.config" and run "make oldconfig" in /usr/src/linux <--- My directory is /usr/src/linux-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx |
| 23:46.51 | l0c4lh0st | Would this be problem? :] |
| 23:46.59 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: no, just use that instead |
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| 23:47.29 | l0c4lh0st | OK, done, now I just use m-a a-i rt73 again |
| 23:47.44 | l0c4lh0st | oh wait |
| 23:47.45 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: no, check directly first if scripts/mod/modpost exists |
| 23:47.48 | l0c4lh0st | First the old config |
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| 23:48.01 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: oh, yes, first the make oldconfig |
| 23:48.18 | abrotman | Vorbote: hindu i'd guess .. oh .. maybe spanish |
| 23:48.25 | abrotman | hindi .. wahtever |
| 23:49.03 | l0c4lh0st | Okay, it's done... It was flooding the screen with all sorts of stuff o.o |
| 23:49.18 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: yes, that's ok |
| 23:49.29 | l0c4lh0st | modpost still doesn't exist. modpost.c and modpost.h do. |
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| 23:50.02 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: whats the output of "lsmod" ? |
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| 23:50.24 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/PouknG30.html |
| 23:50.49 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: did you before do the "make scripts/mod/modpost" and it failed too ? |
| 23:51.13 | l0c4lh0st | it failed yes: http://rafb.net/p/m13Eyh82.html |
| 23:51.21 | holst | is there some way to fsck a large filesystem without a swap? |
| 23:51.26 | Vorbote | abrotman: the second one. The indostan is a medley of languagesve, very much so as China (but the Han have made many children lately, no TV). |
| 23:51.29 | holst | ext3 filesystem |
| 23:52.05 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: ok, this is obviously something that just isnt supported / necessary on your platform, i cant help that |
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| 23:52.13 | abrotman | Vorbote: i'm a good guesser :) .. only gave three answers! |
| 23:52.26 | articpenguin380 | whats the debian icons mean next to packages in synaptic? |
| 23:52.33 | l0c4lh0st | so uhm. How do I compile the driver then? :P |
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| 23:53.23 | Vorbote | abrotman: :-) |
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| 23:54.05 | charzero | Everything in /proc is fake/loaded by kernel, right? (i.e. no point to back it up.) |
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| 23:54.11 | levander | Is there a command line program I can use to benchmark my local LAN and internet connection? |
| 23:54.16 | valdyn | charzero: right |
| 23:54.20 | edistar | levander: iptraf |
| 23:54.31 | charzero | valdyn: Is /dev the same way? |
| 23:54.34 | edistar | levander: and then just send files via scp |
| 23:54.37 | jim | ohh, l0c4lh0st: so when you did m-a prepare, it tried to create a symlink but there's already a /usr/src/linux |
| 23:54.46 | jim | I think |
| 23:55.08 | l0c4lh0st | Yes, there is |
| 23:55.15 | l0c4lh0st | And there's all sorts of stuff in there |
| 23:56.05 | l0c4lh0st | So I should remove /usr/src/linux-2.6.* and create a symlink to /usr/src/linux/? |
| 23:56.14 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: no, thats unrelated |
| 23:56.17 | valdyn | charzero: no |
| 23:56.27 | valdyn | charzero: /dev is more complicated |
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| 23:56.32 | l0c4lh0st | Because that one DOES contain a modpost. |
| 23:56.44 | Kiirani | l0c4lh0st - I don't think deleting your sources is going to help with making a symlink to them.. |
| 23:56.58 | l0c4lh0st | I have the sources 2x, it seems. |
| 23:57.00 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: what? which one contains the modpost? |
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| 23:57.27 | l0c4lh0st | http://rafb.net/p/6x9usp23.html |
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| 23:58.05 | jim | valdyn: maybe /usr/src/linux is an actual dir? |
| 23:58.15 | l0c4lh0st | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. |
| 23:58.23 | valdyn | jim: he JUST said he had no such dir or something along those lines |
| 23:58.44 | jim | well that turned out to be inaccurate :) |
| 23:58.51 | jim | let's go from here :) |
| 23:58.53 | valdyn | jim: move the ipx tree away and try m-a prepare again |
| 23:58.56 | l0c4lh0st | I downloaded the stuff in /usrc/src/linux-2.6.*/ today |
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| 23:59.15 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: or even better, move bot away |
| 23:59.17 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: or even better, move both away |
| 23:59.18 | l0c4lh0st | but the slug has been running for a few months already |
| 23:59.20 | jim | l0c4lh0st: that should be ok |
| 23:59.34 | l0c4lh0st | move both away? Not sure if that's the best thing to do? |
| 23:59.54 | valdyn | l0c4lh0st: whatever you do can be reverted if you dont remove |
| 23:59.56 | jim | but let's look at one thing: could you paste onto the channel the (one-line) output of the command ls -ld /usr/src/linux |
| 23:59.59 | raboof | wtf? |
